Time to get her going. Personally I think it will be a Mayo v Dublin final and before yesterday I would have been confident of a Mayo win. But after yesterday I am not so sure. Mayo lost some of their invincibility yesterday, at least in my eyes. Whatever happens no one could begrudge them an All Ireland.
This thread has a shelf life of a week
Mayo have done a lot of work since last year.
Best setup would be if the Dubs hammered Kerry a la Meath in 2001.
All the Kildare money would be on the Dubs
Mayo could go in under the radar.
Et voila.
Quote from: seafoid on August 26, 2013, 10:52:28 AM
Mayo have done a lot of work since last year.
Best setup would be if the Dubs hammered Kerry a la Meath in 2001.
All the Kildare money would be on the Dubs
Mayo could go in under the radar.
Et voila.
the kildare buckos would never back a Dub.......................the whole country is behind Mayo on this one regardless ifs its Kerry or Dublin.............................you can sense Mayo will lift it and about fooking time.....................Kerry vs Dublin is just a side show at this rate
Yes Yes indeed its Mayos density, Mayos density............................I mean Mayos destiny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7A5xLk3hIs
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Quote from: seafoid on August 26, 2013, 10:52:28 AM
Mayo have done a lot of work since last year.
Best setup would be if the Dubs hammered Kerry a la Meath in 2001.
All the Kildare money would be on the Dubs
Mayo could go in under the radar.
Et voila.
the kildare buckos would never back a Dub.......................the whole country is behind Mayo on this one regardless ifs its Kerry or Dublin.............................you can sense Mayo will lift it and about fooking time.....................Kerry vs Dublin is just a side show at this rate
Sure isn't Kildare 65% Dub now anyway?
All those tiger cubs . The ones not in negative equity must be the ones who do the betting.
Quote from: seafoid on August 26, 2013, 11:03:34 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 26, 2013, 10:59:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 26, 2013, 10:52:28 AM
Mayo have done a lot of work since last year.
Best setup would be if the Dubs hammered Kerry a la Meath in 2001.
All the Kildare money would be on the Dubs
Mayo could go in under the radar.
Et voila.
the kildare buckos would never back a Dub.......................the whole country is behind Mayo on this one regardless ifs its Kerry or Dublin.............................you can sense Mayo will lift it and about fooking time.....................Kerry vs Dublin is just a side show at this rate
Sure isn't Kildare 65% Dub now anyway?
All those tiger cubs . The ones not in negative equity must be the ones who do the betting.
Ah yes the smug country brethren.................................
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 26, 2013, 11:07:22 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 26, 2013, 11:03:34 AM
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Quote from: seafoid on August 26, 2013, 10:52:28 AM
Mayo have done a lot of work since last year.
Best setup would be if the Dubs hammered Kerry a la Meath in 2001.
All the Kildare money would be on the Dubs
Mayo could go in under the radar.
Et voila.
the kildare buckos would never back a Dub.......................the whole country is behind Mayo on this one regardless ifs its Kerry or Dublin.............................you can sense Mayo will lift it and about fooking time.....................Kerry vs Dublin is just a side show at this rate
Sure isn't Kildare 65% Dub now anyway?
All those tiger cubs . The ones not in negative equity must be the ones who do the betting.
Ah yes the smug country brethren.................................
A lot of angry Mayo folk when they learnt they couldn't plow straight into the funnel that's the entrance to Drumcondra station and had to walk around the block and enter a 'line' yesterday. The poor staff had to explain to them the concept of a line and risk a rhubarb-based beating.
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Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 26, 2013, 10:59:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 26, 2013, 10:52:28 AM
Mayo have done a lot of work since last year.
Best setup would be if the Dubs hammered Kerry a la Meath in 2001.
All the Kildare money would be on the Dubs
Mayo could go in under the radar.
Et voila.
the kildare buckos would never back a Dub.......................the whole country is behind Mayo on this one regardless ifs its Kerry or Dublin.............................you can sense Mayo will lift it and about fooking time.....................Kerry vs Dublin is just a side show at this rate
Sure isn't Kildare 65% Dub now anyway?
All those tiger cubs . The ones not in negative equity must be the ones who do the betting.
Ah yes the smug country brethren.................................
A lot of angry Mayo folk when they learnt they couldn't plow straight into the funnel that's the entrance to Drumcondra station and had to walk around the block and enter a 'line' yesterday. The poor staff had to explain to them the concept of a line and risk a rhubarb-based beating.
:D I hope we have you in the blue corner corner this coming Sunday Syferus
Will all of Galway and Roscommon really be supporting Mayo in the final?
A lot of bravado going on here, sure kerry are a beaten docket, might as well just turn up to make up the numbers
Quote from: mlcollins on August 26, 2013, 11:34:32 AM
A lot of bravado going on here, sure kerry are a beaten docket, might as well just turn up to make up the numbers
Well in fairness the Mayo buckos want Dublin so they can give us a right trimming in the final, Inda can have his day out and Horan can wear his new cap on the line
Quote from: blanketattack on August 26, 2013, 11:23:22 AM
Will all of Galway and Roscommon really be supporting Mayo in the final?
No. Neither will all of Sligo. lawnseed won't either so that's all Armagh out of the equation as well.
Quote from: mlcollins on August 26, 2013, 11:34:32 AM
A lot of bravado going on here, sure kerry are a beaten docket, might as well just turn up to make up the numbers
It's only bravado if the Dubs say it.
Neutrals can't be accused of bravado.
I mean how can someone from Rosommon have inflated self confidence about the Dubs?
Quote from: blanketattack on August 26, 2013, 11:23:22 AM
Will all of Galway and Roscommon really be supporting Mayo in the final?
Not all but I'd say there will be a good few Galway people rooting for Mayo.
PJ was on the radio yesterday saying he'd support them.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 26, 2013, 10:16:35 AM
Time to get her going. Personally I think it will be a Mayo v Dublin final and before yesterday I would have been confident of a Mayo win. But after yesterday I am not so sure. Mayo lost some of their invincibility yesterday, at least in my eyes. Whatever happens no one could begrudge them an All Ireland.
Did you use Mayo and invincibility in the one sentence ?
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Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2013, 11:11:37 AM
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Quote from: seafoid on August 26, 2013, 10:52:28 AM
Mayo have done a lot of work since last year.
Best setup would be if the Dubs hammered Kerry a la Meath in 2001.
All the Kildare money would be on the Dubs
Mayo could go in under the radar.
Et voila.
the kildare buckos would never back a Dub.......................the whole country is behind Mayo on this one regardless ifs its Kerry or Dublin.............................you can sense Mayo will lift it and about fooking time.....................Kerry vs Dublin is just a side show at this rate
Sure isn't Kildare 65% Dub now anyway?
All those tiger cubs . The ones not in negative equity must be the ones who do the betting.
Ah yes the smug country brethren.................................
A lot of angry Mayo folk when they learnt they couldn't plow straight into the funnel that's the entrance to Drumcondra station and had to walk around the block and enter a 'line' yesterday. The poor staff had to explain to them the concept of a line and risk a rhubarb-based beating.
:D I hope we have you in the blue corner corner this coming Sunday Syferus
Who else would I be supporting, Squire? 8)
65,000 in Croke was sweet enough yesterday but the full 82,000 is something else. I hope Kerry are as obliging of making a game of it as Tyron were against Mayo.
I'll probably have to murder someone to get a couple AI final tickets if it's Ros-Mayo/Dublin-Mayo, though.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 26, 2013, 11:23:22 AM
Will all of Galway and Roscommon really be supporting Mayo in the final?
Sure half of Galway doesn't even support their own footballers. Let alone Mayo's.
Think it will be Dublin v Mayo. Mayo look a class act. But they have to keep the head right.
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Quote from: blanketattack on August 26, 2013, 11:23:22 AM
Will all of Galway and Roscommon really be supporting Mayo in the final?
Sure half of Galway doesn't even support their own footballers. Let alone Mayo's.
;D A worthy 6K post! haha
Did Mayo peak against Donegal? for along time yesterday it looked like it. Without O'Connor who is going to score or create goals? I think Mayo will need to score at least two goals to win the final.
Mayo have got into habit of defeating All Ireland champions and reaching All Ireland finals can they beat the habit of losing All Ireland finals this September?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 26, 2013, 05:37:29 PM
Did Mayo peak against Donegal? for along time yesterday it looked like it. Without O'Connor who is going to score or create goals? I think Mayo will need to score at least two goals to win the final.
Mayo have got into habit of defeating All Ireland champions and reaching All Ireland finals can they beat the habit of losing All Ireland finals this September?
I'd share your concerns - without COC we are not as dangerous inside. Andy Moran sadly is not at the level he was in 2011 or before he got injured in 2012. That's our two best forwards, one almost certainly out, the other looking well off the pace.
Having said that, Conroy looked good when he came on yesterday, so he will surely start for the final in place of Cillian. Freeman has really stepped up this year, so impressed with his improvement, hopefully he can sustain that level of improvement for one more game!
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Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 26, 2013, 10:16:35 AM
Time to get her going. Personally I think it will be a Mayo v Dublin final and before yesterday I would have been confident of a Mayo win. But after yesterday I am not so sure. Mayo lost some of their invincibility yesterday, at least in my eyes. Whatever happens no one could begrudge them an All Ireland.
Did you use Mayo and invincibility in the one sentence ?
Don't tell anyone.
Though I am pretty sure no one has used Mayo and hype in the same sentence yet.
Can we leave this thread until after sunday?
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 27, 2013, 01:09:35 AM
Can we leave this thread until after sunday?
that was my point on p1mayogod-at least then it will be an AIF thread that makes sense
It appears that Cillian O Connor will play in the AI final after all.
I suspect that Horan will be tempted to make a change or 2 for final. Higgins not having enough impact from this '11' role but he can hardly drop Barrett or Cunniffe! A hb line of Keegan, Higgins and Boyle would be peerless.
A fit Barry Moran has to be considered. AOS at 11 and take the the handbrake off.
Conroy and Freeman our best inside targets as things stand. Dillon was also most effective this year inside v Galway.
Carolan playing really well when he gets on the field.
I don t think our starting 15 is set in stone.
If that's true about o'connor then it's a huge boost for us
Quote from: moysider on August 27, 2013, 11:01:14 PM
It appears that Cillian O Connor will play in the AI final after all.
I suspect that Horan will be tempted to make a change or 2 for final. Higgins not having enough impact from this '11' role but he can hardly drop Barrett or Cunniffe! A hb line of Keegan, Higgins and Boyle would be peerless.
A fit Barry Moran has to be considered. AOS at 11 and take the the handbrake off.
Conroy and Freeman our best inside targets as things stand. Dillon was also most effective this year inside v Galway.
Carolan playing really well when he gets on the field.
I don t think our starting 15 is set in stone.
Ah man, don't be doing this to me! Where is the source of such optimism?
It would be a seriously bad sign if Mayo persisted with COC when it's clear to the dog in the street that his shoulder is an absolute mess. Way too much damage done to it for one year already.
Put your faith in someone else to do a job and don't be playing the fools' game of trying to use a seriously injured man. For all the talk of panel Mayo seem unwilling to show faith in it.
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2013, 11:23:41 PM
It would be a seriously bad sign if Mayo persited with COC when it's clear to the dog in the street his shoulder is an absolute mess. Way too much damage done to it for one year already.
Put your faith in someone else to do a job and don't be playing the fools' game of trying to play a seriously injured man. For all the talk of panel Mayo seem unwilling to show faith in it.
+1 COC was on borrowed time. Time to move on. Horan took a chance that he'd be around for 3 games. It probably was worth the risk. But his boat has sailed. Time to tidy the lad up properly with surgery and rest!
Jeez Moysider,going by your post you think there should be 3 or 4 changes for the final which to me is just not on.And A.OShea to chf would be daft in my opinion as was proven in the league.I would be surprised if Cillian O connor starts the final and I think Horan is just putting that out there to keep the other team guessing.Looking forward to the game as I think Mayo will be really primed to take Sam across the shannon and it will take a very good performance from Dublin or Kerry to derail them.
I wouldn't move AOS either, like maigheo said, it didn't work in the league. If Barry were to start, it'd have to be on the edge of the square - no chance horan would play a wildcard like that at this stage though.
Quote from: maigheo on August 28, 2013, 12:49:35 AM
Jeez Moysider,going by your post you think there should be 3 or 4 changes for the final which to me is just not on.And A.OShea to chf would be daft in my opinion as was proven in the league.I would be surprised if Cillian O connor starts the final and I think Horan is just putting that out there to keep the other team guessing.Looking forward to the game as I think Mayo will be really primed to take Sam across the shannon and it will take a very good performance from Dublin or Kerry to derail them.
+1
I agree with all that.
Horan would be mad if he was to start making wholesale changes now. His judgement hasn't let him down so far this year and there's no reason to suppose that the 15 he puts on the field won't be the best available to him.
I can't see COC starting but Mickey C is almost back to his best and he will offset Cillian's loss to a great extent. It would be lovely to have them both in top shape for the game but Horan must go with what he's got on the day.
A lot will depend on what we see next Sunday but, with or without Cillian, I see no reason to be despondent.
Was listening to McConville on Second Captains yesterday, he was pretty adamant that COC would play, based on it being a four week break and the player himself being absolutely gung-ho to play. He referenced Shefflin a few years ago, COC is that magnitude of a player for us, 12 for 12 placed balls, how many did we miss on Sunday, even when the game was wrapped up?
I think an unchanged side.
Higgins didnt work in himself but he was responsible for at least 1-4 of our scores by allowing our backs (but in particular Cunniffe and Barrett) to let loose all inhibitions and raid forward.
Not sure how you could drop Vaughan Moysider, I wasnt his greatest fan before this year but he has been outstanding, he's a nailed on all-star and is vital to our attacking play
Play O'Connor and tell him to sit out beside the corner flag until he's needed to take a free.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 28, 2013, 02:01:43 AM
Quote from: maigheo on August 28, 2013, 12:49:35 AM
Jeez Moysider,going by your post you think there should be 3 or 4 changes for the final which to me is just not on.And A.OShea to chf would be daft in my opinion as was proven in the league.I would be surprised if Cillian O connor starts the final and I think Horan is just putting that out there to keep the other team guessing.Looking forward to the game as I think Mayo will be really primed to take Sam across the shannon and it will take a very good performance from Dublin or Kerry to derail them.
+1
I agree with all that.
Horan would be mad if he was to start making wholesale changes now. His judgement hasn't let him down so far this year and there's no reason to suppose that the 15 he puts on the field won't be the best available to him.I can't see COC starting but Mickey C is almost back to his best and he will offset Cillian's loss to a great extent. It would be lovely to have them both in top shape for the game but Horan must go with what he's got on the day.
A lot will depend on what we see next Sunday but, with or without Cillian, I see no reason to be despondent.
Nobody is suggesting wholesale changes. But there are options to be considered.
It would be unfair to question Horan s judgement too much I know. But I don t think he got the COC substitution right the last day for one.
A lot has been made about our bench as well but we seemed reluctant to use it the last day when we were in trouble.
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 28, 2013, 02:01:43 AM
Quote from: maigheo on August 28, 2013, 12:49:35 AM
Jeez Moysider,going by your post you think there should be 3 or 4 changes for the final which to me is just not on.And A.OShea to chf would be daft in my opinion as was proven in the league.I would be surprised if Cillian O connor starts the final and I think Horan is just putting that out there to keep the other team guessing.Looking forward to the game as I think Mayo will be really primed to take Sam across the shannon and it will take a very good performance from Dublin or Kerry to derail them.
+1
I agree with all that.
Horan would be mad if he was to start making wholesale changes now. His judgement hasn't let him down so far this year and there's no reason to suppose that the 15 he puts on the field won't be the best available to him.I can't see COC starting but Mickey C is almost back to his best and he will offset Cillian's loss to a great extent. It would be lovely to have them both in top shape for the game but Horan must go with what he's got on the day.
A lot will depend on what we see next Sunday but, with or without Cillian, I see no reason to be despondent.
Nobody is suggesting wholesale changes. But there are options to be considered.
It would be unfair to question Horan s judgement too much I know. But I don t think he got the COC substitution right the last day for one.
A lot has been made about our bench as well but we seemed reluctant to use it the last day when we were in trouble.
I know you're not suggesting that, moy but there are plenty of others who do. I'm talking of Mayo fans in general and not posters to this board.
I've been a solid fan of Horan's since the day he took on the job but the one fault I do find with him is the fact that he can be remarkably reluctant at times to make changes even when the need to do so is obvious to everyone else.
I think he horsed thing up a bit at the start of last year's final when he failed to react to Murphy's move outfield.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by COC's substitution. I think he shouldn't have started him in the first place as the risk of injury was too high to take. Enda took a lot time to settle in-seemed to me that he was over-anxious but, as the game wore on, his confidence increased and he showed superb ball control at times.
He's a handy man to have on the bench and that's for sure.
Horan's belief in Freeman and Vaughan has been vindicated. He saw something in both that I and many others couldn't.
I can't see either being left o n the bench for the final. Come to think of it, I expect at least 13 of the 15 who started the last day will do so again in the final.
Our James is not a man for wholesale changes and, apart from Cillian, I think Andy is the only one at risk. He's be an asset to any team in the land if he was at full fitness but it's clear that he has a bit to go yet.
Conroy is available again and that's good news He has to be fitted in somewhere. I see him taking Andy's spot with Enda replacing Cillian.
Really looking forward to the 22nd. Was down in Dublin for the weekend for the semi and what a great weekend it was, even if the match was nothing special. Thank God we had the bank holiday up North because it was a late night! The Mayo and Tyrone supporters made the weekend and I hope to get down again and jump on the Mayo Bandwagon.
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Quote from: maigheo on August 28, 2013, 12:49:35 AM
Jeez Moysider,going by your post you think there should be 3 or 4 changes for the final which to me is just not on.And A.OShea to chf would be daft in my opinion as was proven in the league.I would be surprised if Cillian O connor starts the final and I think Horan is just putting that out there to keep the other team guessing.Looking forward to the game as I think Mayo will be really primed to take Sam across the shannon and it will take a very good performance from Dublin or Kerry to derail them.
+1
I agree with all that.
Horan would be mad if he was to start making wholesale changes now. His judgement hasn't let him down so far this year and there's no reason to suppose that the 15 he puts on the field won't be the best available to him.I can't see COC starting but Mickey C is almost back to his best and he will offset Cillian's loss to a great extent. It would be lovely to have them both in top shape for the game but Horan must go with what he's got on the day.
A lot will depend on what we see next Sunday but, with or without Cillian, I see no reason to be despondent.
Nobody is suggesting wholesale changes. But there are options to be considered.
It would be unfair to question Horan s judgement too much I know. But I don t think he got the COC substitution right the last day for one.
A lot has been made about our bench as well but we seemed reluctant to use it the last day when we were in trouble.
I know you're not suggesting that, moy but there are plenty of others who do. I'm talking of Mayo fans in general and not posters to this board.
I've been a solid fan of Horan's since the day he took on the job but the one fault I do find with him is the fact that he can be remarkably reluctant at times to make changes even when the need to do so is obvious to everyone else.
I think he horsed thing up a bit at the start of last year's final when he failed to react to Murphy's move outfield.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by COC's substitution. I think he shouldn't have started him in the first place as the risk of injury was too high to take. Enda took a lot time to settle in-seemed to me that he was over-anxious but, as the game wore on, his confidence increased and he showed superb ball control at times.
He's a handy man to have on the bench and that's for sure.
Horan's belief in Freeman and Vaughan has been vindicated. He saw something in both that I and many others couldn't.
I can't see either being left o n the bench for the final. Come to think of it, I expect at least 13 of the 15 who started the last day will do so again in the final.
Our James is not a man for wholesale changes and, apart from Cillian, I think Andy is the only one at risk. He's be an asset to any team in the land if he was at full fitness but it's clear that he has a bit to go yet.
Conroy is available again and that's good news He has to be fitted in somewhere. I see him taking Andy's spot with Enda replacing Cillian.
So he should have left Cillian on the sideline for the rest of the year after the Galway game?
6 goals and 8 points says it was worth the risk...
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Quote from: maigheo on August 28, 2013, 12:49:35 AM
Jeez Moysider,going by your post you think there should be 3 or 4 changes for the final which to me is just not on.And A.OShea to chf would be daft in my opinion as was proven in the league.I would be surprised if Cillian O connor starts the final and I think Horan is just putting that out there to keep the other team guessing.Looking forward to the game as I think Mayo will be really primed to take Sam across the shannon and it will take a very good performance from Dublin or Kerry to derail them.
+1
I agree with all that.
Horan would be mad if he was to start making wholesale changes now. His judgement hasn't let him down so far this year and there's no reason to suppose that the 15 he puts on the field won't be the best available to him.
I can't see COC starting but Mickey C is almost back to his best and he will offset Cillian's loss to a great extent. It would be lovely to have them both in top shape for the game but Horan must go with what he's got on the day.
A lot will depend on what we see next Sunday but, with or without Cillian, I see no reason to be despondent.
I'd say O'Connor scored more against Donegal than Conroy managed in five championship games last year.
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Quote from: maigheo on August 28, 2013, 12:49:35 AM
Jeez Moysider,going by your post you think there should be 3 or 4 changes for the final which to me is just not on.And A.OShea to chf would be daft in my opinion as was proven in the league.I would be surprised if Cillian O connor starts the final and I think Horan is just putting that out there to keep the other team guessing.Looking forward to the game as I think Mayo will be really primed to take Sam across the shannon and it will take a very good performance from Dublin or Kerry to derail them.
+1
I agree with all that.
Horan would be mad if he was to start making wholesale changes now. His judgement hasn't let him down so far this year and there's no reason to suppose that the 15 he puts on the field won't be the best available to him.I can't see COC starting but Mickey C is almost back to his best and he will offset Cillian's loss to a great extent. It would be lovely to have them both in top shape for the game but Horan must go with what he's got on the day.
A lot will depend on what we see next Sunday but, with or without Cillian, I see no reason to be despondent.
Nobody is suggesting wholesale changes. But there are options to be considered.
It would be unfair to question Horan s judgement too much I know. But I don t think he got the COC substitution right the last day for one.
A lot has been made about our bench as well but we seemed reluctant to use it the last day when we were in trouble.
I know you're not suggesting that, moy but there are plenty of others who do. I'm talking of Mayo fans in general and not posters to this board.
I've been a solid fan of Horan's since the day he took on the job but the one fault I do find with him is the fact that he can be remarkably reluctant at times to make changes even when the need to do so is obvious to everyone else.
I think he horsed thing up a bit at the start of last year's final when he failed to react to Murphy's move outfield.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by COC's substitution. I think he shouldn't have started him in the first place as the risk of injury was too high to take. Enda took a lot time to settle in-seemed to me that he was over-anxious but, as the game wore on, his confidence increased and he showed superb ball control at times.
He's a handy man to have on the bench and that's for sure.
Horan's belief in Freeman and Vaughan has been vindicated. He saw something in both that I and many others couldn't.
I can't see either being left o n the bench for the final. Come to think of it, I expect at least 13 of the 15 who started the last day will do so again in the final.
Our James is not a man for wholesale changes and, apart from Cillian, I think Andy is the only one at risk. He's be an asset to any team in the land if he was at full fitness but it's clear that he has a bit to go yet.
Conroy is available again and that's good news He has to be fitted in somewhere. I see him taking Andy's spot with Enda replacing Cillian.
So he should have left Cillian on the sideline for the rest of the year after the Galway game?
6 goals and 8 points says it was worth the risk...
I don't see how you arrived at that conclusion. I never stated or implied that he shouldn't have played in any game from the start of our season. It was obvious from the start the last day that he was having some problem with his shoulder. I noticed him flexing the shoulder from time to tie when play was elsewhere and I expected the worst when he went down.
The dunt that decked him wouldn't have bothered him if his shoulder wasn't injured already.
Now, a fit Cillian would be an invaluable asset going into the final but because of what happened last Sunday, he's very unlikely to be at his best- if he plays at all. I think it's fair to assume that whether Dublin or Kerry meet us in the final, the going will be harder than it was at any time so far.
As it is now, he is going to be targeted by the opposition if he plays any part of the game and his shoulder will be put to the test and that's a very mild way of putting it.
Apart from all of that, there's the lad's own welfare to think about.
I'd hate to see him left with chronic arthritis or the likes for the rest of his life.
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Jeez Moysider,going by your post you think there should be 3 or 4 changes for the final which to me is just not on.And A.OShea to chf would be daft in my opinion as was proven in the league.I would be surprised if Cillian O connor starts the final and I think Horan is just putting that out there to keep the other team guessing.Looking forward to the game as I think Mayo will be really primed to take Sam across the shannon and it will take a very good performance from Dublin or Kerry to derail them.
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I agree with all that.
Horan would be mad if he was to start making wholesale changes now. His judgement hasn't let him down so far this year and there's no reason to suppose that the 15 he puts on the field won't be the best available to him.
I can't see COC starting but Mickey C is almost back to his best and he will offset Cillian's loss to a great extent. It would be lovely to have them both in top shape for the game but Horan must go with what he's got on the day.
A lot will depend on what we see next Sunday but, with or without Cillian, I see no reason to be despondent.
I'd say O'Connor scored more against Donegal than Conroy managed in five championship games last year.
I'd love to have the pair of them in action but they're different types of player with different roles to play. I never suggested that Mickey's coming will cancel out Cillian's departure if Cillian isn't available but it will help to offset his loss.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 28, 2013, 07:31:50 PM
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 28, 2013, 02:01:43 AM
Quote from: maigheo on August 28, 2013, 12:49:35 AM
Jeez Moysider,going by your post you think there should be 3 or 4 changes for the final which to me is just not on.And A.OShea to chf would be daft in my opinion as was proven in the league.I would be surprised if Cillian O connor starts the final and I think Horan is just putting that out there to keep the other team guessing.Looking forward to the game as I think Mayo will be really primed to take Sam across the shannon and it will take a very good performance from Dublin or Kerry to derail them.
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I agree with all that.
Horan would be mad if he was to start making wholesale changes now. His judgement hasn't let him down so far this year and there's no reason to suppose that the 15 he puts on the field won't be the best available to him.I can't see COC starting but Mickey C is almost back to his best and he will offset Cillian's loss to a great extent. It would be lovely to have them both in top shape for the game but Horan must go with what he's got on the day.
A lot will depend on what we see next Sunday but, with or without Cillian, I see no reason to be despondent.
Nobody is suggesting wholesale changes. But there are options to be considered.
It would be unfair to question Horan s judgement too much I know. But I don t think he got the COC substitution right the last day for one.
A lot has been made about our bench as well but we seemed reluctant to use it the last day when we were in trouble.
I know you're not suggesting that, moy but there are plenty of others who do. I'm talking of Mayo fans in general and not posters to this board.
I've been a solid fan of Horan's since the day he took on the job but the one fault I do find with him is the fact that he can be remarkably reluctant at times to make changes even when the need to do so is obvious to everyone else.
I think he horsed thing up a bit at the start of last year's final when he failed to react to Murphy's move outfield.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by COC's substitution. I think he shouldn't have started him in the first place as the risk of injury was too high to take. Enda took a lot time to settle in-seemed to me that he was over-anxious but, as the game wore on, his confidence increased and he showed superb ball control at times.
He's a handy man to have on the bench and that's for sure.
Horan's belief in Freeman and Vaughan has been vindicated. He saw something in both that I and many others couldn't.
I can't see either being left o n the bench for the final. Come to think of it, I expect at least 13 of the 15 who started the last day will do so again in the final.
Our James is not a man for wholesale changes and, apart from Cillian, I think Andy is the only one at risk. He's be an asset to any team in the land if he was at full fitness but it's clear that he has a bit to go yet.
Conroy is available again and that's good news He has to be fitted in somewhere. I see him taking Andy's spot with Enda replacing Cillian.
So he should have left Cillian on the sideline for the rest of the year after the Galway game?
6 goals and 8 points says it was worth the risk...
I don't see how you arrived at that conclusion. I never stated or implied that he shouldn't have played in any game from the start of our season. It was obvious from the start the last day that he was having some problem with his shoulder. I noticed him flexing the shoulder from time to tie when play was elsewhere and I expected the worst when he went down.
The dunt that decked him wouldn't have bothered him if his shoulder wasn't injured already.
Now, a fit Cillian would be an invaluable asset going into the final but because of what happened last Sunday, he's very unlikely to be at his best- if he plays at all. I think it's fair to assume that whether Dublin or Kerry meet us in the final, the going will be harder than it was at any time so far.
As it is now, he is going to be targeted by the opposition if he plays any part of the game and his shoulder will be put to the test and that's a very mild way of putting it.
Apart from all of that, there's the lad's own welfare to think about.
I'd hate to see him left with chronic arthritis or the likes for the rest of his life.
He seemed fine to me until he fell on his shoulder on the end line s minute or two before the shoulder finally went.
There has been a risk all summer that it would go again.
Anyone with that much strapping on a shoulder never looks fine. It's a minor wonder he survived London and Donegal intact.
Quote from: Syferus on August 28, 2013, 08:01:27 PM
Anyone with that much strapping on a shoulder never looks fine. It's a minders woner he survived London and Donegal intact.
Sound man Syf; did I ever disagree with ya yet? ;D
The odds were high that we'd have won every match to date without Cillian starting in any of them. I'd have given him a run okay just to keep him sharp or to bring him on if the going got tough at any stage but it was unwise to have him play every game.
Sure, there would still be risks if he only came on as a sub but they would be considerably less.
Right now, 3-3 against London or 3-4 against Donegal counts for sweet FA.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 28, 2013, 08:33:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 28, 2013, 08:01:27 PM
Anyone with that much strapping on a shoulder never looks fine. It's a minders woner he survived London and Donegal intact.
Sound man Syf; did I ever disagree with ya yet? ;D
The odds were high that we'd have won every match to date without Cillian starting in any of them. I'd have given him a run okay just to keep him sharp or to bring him on if the going got tough at any stage but it was unwise to have him play every game.
Sure, there would still be risks if he only came on as a sub but they would be considerably less.
Right now, 3-3 against London or 3-4 against Donegal counts for sweet FA.
Hindsight is great alright. I don't recall you voicing your concerns in advance of the Donegal or Tyrone games though
Quote from: Tubberman on August 28, 2013, 09:01:47 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 28, 2013, 08:33:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 28, 2013, 08:01:27 PM
Anyone with that much strapping on a shoulder never looks fine. It's a minders woner he survived London and Donegal intact.
Sound man Syf; did I ever disagree with ya yet? ;D
The odds were high that we'd have won every match to date without Cillian starting in any of them. I'd have given him a run okay just to keep him sharp or to bring him on if the going got tough at any stage but it was unwise to have him play every game.
Sure, there would still be risks if he only came on as a sub but they would be considerably less.
Right now, 3-3 against London or 3-4 against Donegal counts for sweet FA.
Hindsight is great alright. I don't recall you voicing your concerns in advance of the Donegal or Tyrone games though
Did I have to? Did the subject ever come up before now?
If you can find anything wrong with what I say, go ahead and point it out.
You seem to going back to your nasty, sneering self again.
Why don't you just cop on yourself for a change and act like a grown up?
Fecking hell lads, we either turn on the team we're playing against, or we find something to nit-pick among ourselves. Anyway, I don't think Cillian will start the next day. What about Andy Moran? Does he deserve to start, I know he's captain and all that, but he hasn't come to terms with the pace of the play at all yet, and could have (possibly should have) been taken off earlier against Tyrone.
its the managers job to be able to predict things we mortals can only see in hind sight.
horan generally has been good at that ,
his faith in certain players when people were calling for heads has been fully justified.
i was wrong footed on Freeman and Cafferkey but other decisions that were criticized were Barrett Vaughan Seamus o se andcarolan.
Horan has shown he is worth having faith and i for one am going to refrain from any Negativity from now on.
Lets just go with the Logo 'JAMES KNOWS BEST'
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 28, 2013, 10:55:47 PM
Fecking hell lads, we either turn on the team we're playing against, or we find something to nit-pick among ourselves. Anyway, I don't think Cillian will start the next day. What about Andy Moran? Does he deserve to start, I know he's captain and all that, but he hasn't come to terms with the pace of the play at all yet, and could have (possibly should have) been taken off earlier against Tyrone.
I read somewhere that Andy had an injury(other than the knee) on Sunday, if that's true then that might have been the reason for his poor play. If that injury clears up by Sept 22 he will probably start.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 28, 2013, 10:55:47 PM
Fecking hell lads, we either turn on the team we're playing against, or we find something to nit-pick among ourselves. Anyway, I don't think Cillian will start the next day. What about Andy Moran? Does he deserve to start, I know he's captain and all that, but he hasn't come to terms with the pace of the play at all yet, and could have (possibly should have) been taken off earlier against Tyrone.
I read somewhere that Andy had an injury(other than the knee) on Sunday, if that's true then that might have been the reason for his poor play. If that injury clears up by Sept 22 he will probably start.
It's both things that effected him Sunday. The burst he had before the injury isn't back yet, Andy was five yards in front of his man almost every time a ball was sent in to him the last two years.
I think playing him in a more central role between the HF line and two FFs makes the most sense if you're going to play him because that burst won't be back until next season in all likelihood but he still has great vision for passes and setting up others. In COC's absence utilising Andy effectively could be the winning or losing of the AI final.
I'd say keep Andy in the lineup. See how he intervened when that Tyrone buck was going to have a "word" with Freeman before he stepped up to take then penalty. That's experience for you
If he's a yard off the pace play a different type of ball in to him
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 28, 2013, 08:33:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 28, 2013, 08:01:27 PM
Anyone with that much strapping on a shoulder never looks fine. It's a minders woner he survived London and Donegal intact.
Sound man Syf; did I ever disagree with ya yet? ;D
The odds were high that we'd have won every match to date without Cillian starting in any of them. I'd have given him a run okay just to keep him sharp or to bring him on if the going got tough at any stage but it was unwise to have him play every game.
Sure, there would still be risks if he only came on as a sub but they would be considerably less.
Right now, 3-3 against London or 3-4 against Donegal counts for sweet FA.
Completely disagree with you Lar. And if you think that I m out on a limb here check out McStay s column. I was relieved that I was not the only one about that has reservations after reading that. Maybe I think that McStay nailed it because I was of the same opinion but I m fed up all week of people just taking the positives out of that performance. We all know where that ends up. Bitterness over the winter.
It s alright being a Mayo fan and it s proper that we respect what Horan has achieved in such a short time time but we ve seen enough final misfires not to be just cheerleaders at this stage. Management got last year s final very wrong (not the players), yet you seem to have absolute faith in their judgement?
Consider this. Mayo News columnist noticed that 3 players that were on the periphery of the team last September were our saviours v Tyrone. Barrett, SOS and Freeman. You appear to not like changes but changes have improved us and Higgins has been moved ( something I was always promoting but got rode on here for the suggestion) two years later, probably in wrong position. As a result Barrett has become a serious player for us. There are other players gatering splinters that could contribute but our natural conservativeness will probably mean that we spend the winter wondering what might have been.
The CoC substitution that I mentioned earlier. I prefer to not criticise individual players but please Lar! You said that you would be ok with Endy replacing CoC. With respect to the lad I would not. He s played in an AI semi and final and only made a bad situation worse when he came on last day with a wildness that might be excused from a lad in his first year. He won an U21 AI in 06 and has been nurtured since. That s not good enough unless you want to lose again? Dont think for a moment that that lack of composure and judgement is not seen as a weakness by opposition. McStay said 'I was disappointed with Enda Varley's contribution'. Enough said. That was a decision that set the alarm bells ringing - especially in light of Conroys contribution when he came on. Who made that call? I dunno.
From what I m listening around we re delighted to be back in final and getting a ticket more important than winning - everybody that doesnt usually bother with the game is convinced we ll win.
I m not. Tyrone showed others how to beat us, if we go out half baked again, like we did last year. I believe we have the players to win it but if selection is based on ' we ll stick with a winning team', then we will lose again. As my man McStay pointed out, only the excellent Freeman a clever Dillon performed in the forwards - and yet some believe that its too late to make changes! I love the film 'Groundhog Day' but it reminds me of Croke Park in Sept. since 89. How many repeats is that? Apart from 04 and 06 the others were games that could have been won. And this shite talk of this team being different is just shite talk. The worst Tyrone team in a generation reminded us of the worst days of our life . This Mayo team will only be different if they win the damn thing. Horan knows that so lets stop eulogising and plamosing the man. He has big calls to make and he has to make them to give us a realistic chance.
You said that CoC returns against London and Donegal count for sweet FA now. Disappointed by that. I ve never seen anything like that and you just move on and replace him with Enda! Nobody has ever done what COC did in those games while being strapped up or fully fit. O Connor will start the final.
I can see him lasting all of ten minutes in that case. Whatever mis-guided reasoning Horan could have to put off the surgery and maybe use him as an impact sub the case for starting him is very, very poor.
Where exactly do the concepts of player safety and quality of life come into it, Moy? It sounds like you're happy for a young man to run himself into the ground just because he's willing to.
He's dislocated his shoulder three times in 11 months. He was out all of five months the first time, then lasted about two months before he broke down again. Then he was out almost two months only to come back strapped up more tightly than a prisoner and he only lasted one full game, one half and a few minutes before he fell apart again. The next stage of that sequence doesn't take a genius to work out.
Do you get just how much a bad shoulder can haunt a player not just in his career but in his later life? This is a man of 21 being ground down and Mayo's management need to show an iota of cop on because the only smart, even humane, thing to do in this situation is for Horan to tell him it's over for the year and to focus on being as close to 100% as he can be for 2014.
This is one of those situations where 'win at all costs' needs to be put aside. Management teams have a duty of care to their players and on too many occasions they're willing to push situations that shouldn't be pushed in the pursuit of a small edge. COC's health is more important than anything he can offer Mayo next month.
Moy what would your team be for for the final?
I personally don't see any need for changes from 1- 9.
The forwards are a different kettle of fish then.
McLaughlin probably had one of his worst days in a Mayo shirt but still got on a fair amount of breaking ball in the second half, therefore I believe he will be vital in the final. In addition, I don't think Horan has a strong enough argument in dropping him just because he had one bad game.
Higgins took awhile to get going but his speed will be vital in the final to either run at Kerry's tiring legs or to track young McCaffery. Also he can be put back in the corner when needed.
Dillon does indeed have a lot of question marks over him and it really is touch and go with him. Horan has stuck with him until now so I can't see him being dropped at this stage of the season. If he is not performing though he needs to be substituted quicker than usual.
Varley played himself out of the team the last day I think and I would be very surprised to see him start for the final. I always thought he was better coming on in the last 15 mins anyway.
Freeman's display the last day speaks for itself.
Andy, like Dillon has a lot of question marks over him. He had just below his knee strapped the last day. Again I think his leadership is vital and therefore we need him to start. If he's not producing the goods in the first half he needs to be substituted the first 5-10mins into the second half.
I expect for everyone to be left guessing about O'Connor until September 22nd. I would be very surprised to see him start but would expect to see him at some point in the second half.
All in all I would only see one change for the final with Conroy coming in for O'Connor.
Yes Horan is conservative but I think that he had been a little more adventurous this year which I think should be acknowledged. We could possibly have one game left with him as manager so why not get behind after all the joy he has brought the county over the past three years.
Quote from: moysider on August 29, 2013, 01:01:04 AM
You appear to not like changes but changes have improved us and Higgins has been moved ( something I was always promoting but got rode on here for the suggestion) two years later, probably in wrong position. As a result Barrett has become a serious player for us.
I think you give yourself too much credit moysider!! I'd say there are few enough Mayo supporters who haven't discussed moving Higgins to the half back line - not sure who you claim was riding you on here for it!! It would be foolish to stick him untried into a key position like 6 this late in the day though
If CoC is to see game time in the final, I'd rather it was on an as needed basis as opposed to starting. If it's tight in the last 15-20 bring him in, as opposed to taking him off after the first 15-20
Quote from: stephenite on August 29, 2013, 04:46:14 AM
If CoC is to see game time in the final, I'd rather it was on an as needed basis as opposed to starting. If it's tight in the last 15-20 bring him in, as opposed to taking him off after the first 15-20
Agreed.
Put it this way, does anyone think his shoulder is now stronger after the repeat dislocation on Sunday than it was before? Odds have increased dramatically of it going again now, how do you reduce those odds? Reduce time on the pitch. Conroy in for him from the start, same team as Saturday then.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 28, 2013, 08:01:27 PM
Anyone with that much strapping on a shoulder never looks fine. It's a minders woner he survived London and Donegal intact.
Sound man Syf; did I ever disagree with ya yet? ;D
The odds were high that we'd have won every match to date without Cillian starting in any of them. I'd have given him a run okay just to keep him sharp or to bring him on if the going got tough at any stage but it was unwise to have him play every game.
Sure, there would still be risks if he only came on as a sub but they would be considerably less.
Right now, 3-3 against London or 3-4 against Donegal counts for sweet FA.
Hindsight is great alright. I don't recall you voicing your concerns in advance of the Donegal or Tyrone games though
Did I have to? Did the subject ever come up before now?
If you can find anything wrong with what I say, go ahead and point it out.
You seem to going back to your nasty, sneering self again.
Why don't you just cop on yourself for a change and act like a grown up?
Relax Lar will you. You're more than capable of arguing your point, don't get sensitive when someone asks you to explain it or back it up.
You said he shouldn't have been started against Tyrone, I simply asked why you didn't voice that concern beforehand.
I didn't see any higher risk before the Tyrone game than there was before the Donegal game, and there was nobody (that I can remember at least) saying he shouldn't have started that day. Obviously you weren't obliged to make that point in advance, but don't be surprised if someone says we can all be clever in hindsight.
Anyway, my feeling the next day would be that Cillian should not be started, and even bringing him on could be foolhardy.
It seems too big a gamble, both for the team and for Cillian himself.
But I've next to no knowledge of recovery times of shoulder dislocations, or the likelyhood of it re-occuring and what further damage that could do. So I'll leave that to the Mayo medical team, management team and Cillian himself.
If O'Connor could master the art of popping that shoulder back in like Martin Riggs in Leathal Weapon he'd be sorted.
On a more serious note, Andy was beaten to at least 3 balls despite being favourite when the ball was kicked. Although his presence on the teams and experience is invaluable and he will start. Varley who I've always had my doubts over, maybe it's his style of kicking, had a shocker. On watching it again he had 3 bad wides, turned over primary possession cheaply inside the 21 at least twice and that missed free at the end summed him up.
After reading Dara O'Shea's piece during the week, I think we'd be better off meeting Dublin that Kerry in the final. Despite Dublin being a superior team, I'd hope that we'd have no fear of them as we would have of seeing the Kerry jersey again.
Quote from: Greenabovethered on August 29, 2013, 09:28:35 AM
If O'Connor could master the art of popping that shoulder back in like Martin Riggs in Leathal Weapon he'd be sorted.
On a more serious note, Andy was beaten to at least 3 balls despite being favourite when the ball was kicked. Although his presence on the teams and experience is invaluable and he will start. Varley who I've always had my doubts over, maybe it's his style of kicking, had a shocker. On watching it again he had 3 bad wides, turned over primary possession cheaply inside the 21 at least twice and that missed free at the end summed him up.
After reading Dara O'Shea's piece during the week, I think we'd be better off meeting Dublin that Kerry in the final. Despite Dublin being a superior team, I'd hope that we'd have no fear of them as we would have of seeing the Kerry jersey again.
I think I'd prefer Kerry. Very few of this team played against Kerry in 04 or 06 - Dillon, Moran, Higgins? So there shouldn't be a sense of dread when they see the Kerry jersey.
We'd have a better chance of running Kerry ragged than we would the Dubs - they seem to be as fit as us, and probably have as much if not more pace in their team.
There seems to be some rose tinted glasses WRT Andys displays last year and the year before.
Yes he won everything that went into him but not because he was 5 yards ahead of his man, he was doing what Conroy did on Sunday, using his body to keep the defender off while gathering the ball in. In Andys case a lot of the time at the second time of asking.
I think he's very close to that, we saw on Sunday a couple of times, one in particular in the first half where Dillon kicked it down the line to him and he tipped it down to himself but over the sideline, last year he would have kept it in. Small margins but things that can be rectified.
As for Dillon, talk of him getting dropped is pure nonsense, he has the composure to kick a point or a foot pass when its needed.
Ditto for McLoughlin, FFS one bad game in three years.
COC will start, definitely and without doubt. This talk of him coming in with 15 mins left, so the scenario is that we need him, he comes on, shoulder pops, where are we then? He'll start, if it goes it goes, Mayo will have plan B, which will hopefully involve Conroy and not Varley.
As for player welfare, well thats the greatest load of bollix I ever heard and if COC was to allow Horan to leave him off that give him the chance then he wouldnt deserve to be there. Theres not a man who has played football that would miss an all-ireland final on that basis. And the likes of Syferus can take the high road but we all know that the strongest voice for COC playing in the final will be COC himself.
A lot of Mayo fans saying that they'd prefer to play Kerry than Dublin because (a) Kerry have been poor in the c'ship so far and (b) Dublin are a much better team.
If Kerry beat Dublin then Kerry will have proven themselves to be a better team and a victory over Dublin will obviously make Kerry's overall c'ship performance seem a lot better. Sunday can potentially change what's being viewed in the rearview mirror immensely.
It's like Meath fans preferring to play Kerry than Dublin in the '09 semi-final due to Kerry's poor performances v Sligo, Longford and Antrim. Did Meath fans still think Kerry were the preferred option after Kerry beat Dublin?
The team that beats Dublin will win Sam.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 29, 2013, 10:32:22 AM
The team that beats Dublin will win Sam.
So you're tipping Dublin for Sunday then?
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Quote from: Syferus on August 28, 2013, 08:01:27 PM
Anyone with that much strapping on a shoulder never looks fine. It's a minders woner he survived London and Donegal intact.
Sound man Syf; did I ever disagree with ya yet? ;D
The odds were high that we'd have won every match to date without Cillian starting in any of them. I'd have given him a run okay just to keep him sharp or to bring him on if the going got tough at any stage but it was unwise to have him play every game.
Sure, there would still be risks if he only came on as a sub but they would be considerably less.
Right now, 3-3 against London or 3-4 against Donegal counts for sweet FA.
Hindsight is great alright. I don't recall you voicing your concerns in advance of the Donegal or Tyrone games though
Did I have to? Did the subject ever come up before now?
If you can find anything wrong with what I say, go ahead and point it out.
You seem to going back to your nasty, sneering self again.
Why don't you just cop on yourself for a change and act like a grown up?
Relax Lar will you. You're more than capable of arguing your point, don't get sensitive when someone asks you to explain it or back it up.
You said he shouldn't have been started against Tyrone, I simply asked why you didn't voice that concern beforehand.
I didn't see any higher risk before the Tyrone game than there was before the Donegal game, and there was nobody (that I can remember at least) saying he shouldn't have started that day. Obviously you weren't obliged to make that point in advance, but don't be surprised if someone says we can all be clever in hindsight.
Anyway, my feeling the next day would be that Cillian should not be started, and even bringing him on could be foolhardy.
It seems too big a gamble, both for the team and for Cillian himself.
But I've next to no knowledge of recovery times of shoulder dislocations, or the likelyhood of it re-occuring and what further damage that could do. So I'll leave that to the Mayo medical team, management team and Cillian himself.
Sorry Tubber, if I was fast off the mark.
I thought what I had to say was self-obvious.
I don't know if you or anybody else has any sons or have realistic prospects of having one.
But if you have or when you will have, you'll know what I mean.
The thought of strapping any young fellow up, giving him a few shots of painkillers and telling him to get on with it, doesn't appeal to me – to put it mildly.
I've been waiting for an A-I win for longer than most here and I prefer to wait as long again rather than see anyone putting his health and career prospects at risk.
Syferus in his last post summed my feelings up far better that I could ever do.
I would not be as critical of Horan as he is but I still take his point.
James would have listened to medical advice and seen COC in training before he decided to let him play. Apart from all that, the player would have pestered him to get the go ahead.
Anyone of his age and with his talent would feel the same way but players can be their own worst enemies at times.
Now, in deciding to let him play, Horan had two conflicting considerations to bear in mind.
On the one hand, getting match time would sharpen his skills and help get him back to full fitness again. But every minute he spent on the field increased the chances of him getting injured again.
If I were Horan, I'd only play him when I felt it was necessary to do so.
Sure, he scored 0-6 against Galway and every Mayo fan was delighted to see him back but the result was a foregone conclusion long before the end.
He scored 3-4 against London but Mayo could have won that game without him. London got a bit physical coming towards the end and he could well have injured his shoulder once again.
We badly need him for the final but if he's not fully fit or likely to break down again during the game, it's damn all use saying, "Ah, but he scored 3-4 against London, didn't he?"
As for not wanting him to start against Tyrone, I think you'd better figure that one out for yourself! ;D
I don't have the heart to start another row with the Tyronies. Enough people have already accused them of being cynical, dirty hoors without me adding my tuppence worth.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 29, 2013, 10:32:22 AM
The team that beats Dublin will win Sam.
So you're tipping Dublin for Sunday then?
Just to shade it. But if Kerry win on Sunday, I stand over what I say.
On Hprans form the only place up for discussion is Cillians and that will be based on fitness alone. there may be a lot of mind games played there of the will he wont he type. they have started already .
And my money would be on feeney to replace him in so shape or form or Doherty as an outside bet.
Though Barry at full forward would Really throw the cat amonst the pidgeons
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 29, 2013, 09:47:00 AM
There seems to be some rose tinted glasses WRT Andys displays last year and the year before.
Yes he won everything that went into him but not because he was 5 yards ahead of his man, he was doing what Conroy did on Sunday, using his body to keep the defender off while gathering the ball in. In Andys case a lot of the time at the second time of asking.
I think he's very close to that, we saw on Sunday a couple of times, one in particular in the first half where Dillon kicked it down the line to him and he tipped it down to himself but over the sideline, last year he would have kept it in. Small margins but things that can be rectified.
As for Dillon, talk of him getting dropped is pure nonsense, he has the composure to kick a point or a foot pass when its needed.
Ditto for McLoughlin, FFS one bad game in three years.
COC will start, definitely and without doubt. This talk of him coming in with 15 mins left, so the scenario is that we need him, he comes on, shoulder pops, where are we then? He'll start, if it goes it goes, Mayo will have plan B, which will hopefully involve Conroy and not Varley.
As for player welfare, well thats the greatest load of bollix I ever heard and if COC was to allow Horan to leave him off that give him the chance then he wouldnt deserve to be there. Theres not a man who has played football that would miss an all-ireland final on that basis. And the likes of Syferus can take the high road but we all know that the strongest voice for COC playing in the final will be COC himself.
The win at all costs mentality in a nutshell. Trying to hide behind the transparent shroud of 'it's the players/management's decision' as if they're acting in the interests of the players' health and not some blinkered attempt a winning an important match. They do not know themselves best, in fact in many cases they haven't a clue, just look at Alan Brogan appearing v. Mayo last September and not seeing the field again for now going on 12 months. Perspective and objectivity is lacking in almost all situations like this.
There's a lot of weak managers who don't have what it takes to make a big call like dropping a seriously injured palyer for a final even when they're telling him endlessly that they want to play. From everything I've seen about Horan I expect more than him taking the easy out on this one.
What does it say to lads like Conroy, Doherty, Coen or Varley? You're so shite even a fella with three shoulder injuries in one year (and someone who is going to need surgery one way or another when his season ends) is so superior to you that he still starts over you even when you're at 100%? That'd be a punch in the face to the idea Mayo have a strong panel - something Horan himself was bloviating about in media interviews very recently - and would raise questions in a lot of players' heads as to what the point of them being there is.
Quality... ;D It's going to be some month....
http://vimeo.com/73295418
Will you stop FFS that's a complete crock of shite. For starters, Horan will, like all managers, take his lead from the medical staff on this. If they say he could play then he'd sit down with Cillian and the medical support staff to discuss things and get the players thoughts on it considering the risks. Once Horan has this information he'll discuss the optionswith his selectors and make a decision based on what's best for Mayo.
It's a potential shoulder dislocation not a bloody charge across no mans land, O'Connor will be fine down the line either way.
As for the other players, Jesus wept!!! They'll be fine, they all know Cillian is a starter when fit or near it. None of them will be crying into their frosties because Horan starts a less than 100% fit O'Connor before them. Though your whole post screams 'I've never spent much time in football dressing rooms or training pitches'.
Quote from: Zulu on August 29, 2013, 12:40:39 PM
Will you stop FFS that's a complete crock of shite. For starters, Horan will, like all managers, take his lead from the medical staff on this. If they say he could play then he'd sit down with Cillian and the medical support staff to discuss things and get the players thoughts on it considering the risks. Once Horan has this information he'll discuss the optionswith his selectors and make a decision based on what's best for Mayo.
It's a potential shoulder dislocation not a bloody charge across no mans land, O'Connor will be fine down the line either way.
As for the other players, Jesus wept!!! They'll be fine, they all know Cillian is a starter when fit or near it. None of them will be crying into their frosties because Horan starts a less than 100% fit O'Connor before them. Though your whole post screams 'I've never spent much time in football dressing rooms or training pitches'.
If you think managers listen to medical advice religiously I really don't know what to say.
Particularly in high-pressure, big-stakes matches they are far more likely to chance their arm on a key player than that the most prudent course. That isn't how sport has ever operated and I doubt the Mayo in 2013 isn't the exception to the rule.
It takes a smart man to know when the game is up. You can rely on the player themselves to tell you they're ok or want to play. The manager is the authority figure and loves to play the role of a leader but it's in situations like this when you find out how much of a managers' rhetoric is hot air and how much is the real thing.
COC shouldn't be let near a game of football again in 2013, and he definitely shouldn't be starting the most intense game on the GAA calendar.
Quote from: Syferus on August 29, 2013, 12:22:11 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 29, 2013, 09:47:00 AM
There seems to be some rose tinted glasses WRT Andys displays last year and the year before.
Yes he won everything that went into him but not because he was 5 yards ahead of his man, he was doing what Conroy did on Sunday, using his body to keep the defender off while gathering the ball in. In Andys case a lot of the time at the second time of asking.
I think he's very close to that, we saw on Sunday a couple of times, one in particular in the first half where Dillon kicked it down the line to him and he tipped it down to himself but over the sideline, last year he would have kept it in. Small margins but things that can be rectified.
As for Dillon, talk of him getting dropped is pure nonsense, he has the composure to kick a point or a foot pass when its needed.
Ditto for McLoughlin, FFS one bad game in three years.
COC will start, definitely and without doubt. This talk of him coming in with 15 mins left, so the scenario is that we need him, he comes on, shoulder pops, where are we then? He'll start, if it goes it goes, Mayo will have plan B, which will hopefully involve Conroy and not Varley.
As for player welfare, well thats the greatest load of bollix I ever heard and if COC was to allow Horan to leave him off that give him the chance then he wouldnt deserve to be there. Theres not a man who has played football that would miss an all-ireland final on that basis. And the likes of Syferus can take the high road but we all know that the strongest voice for COC playing in the final will be COC himself.
The win at all costs mentality in a nutshell. Trying to hide behind the transparent shroud of 'it's the players/management's decision' as if they're acting in the interests of the players' health and not some blinkered attempt a winning an important match. They do not know themselves best, in fact in many cases they haven't a clue, just look at Alan Brogan appearing v. Mayo last September and not seeing the field again for now going on 12 months. Perspective and objectivity is lacking in almost all situations like this.
There's a lot of weak managers who don't have what it takes to make a big call like dropping a seriously injured palyer for a final even when they're telling him endlessly that they want to play. From everything I've seen about Horan I expect more than him taking the easy out on this one.
What does it say to lads like Conroy, Doherty, Coen or Varley? You're so shite even a fella with three shoulder injuries in one year (and someone who is going to need surgery one way or another when his season ends) is so superior to you that he still starts over you even when you're at 100%? That'd be a punch in the face to the idea Mayo have a strong panel - something Horan himself was bloviating about in media interviews very recently - and would raise questions in a lot of players' heads as to what the point of them being there is.
Syf, you're in absolutely flying form! Keep it up.
I never thought you'd be serious about anything but I sure was very wrong.
There's nothing I could add to this post or the one before it.
Now I'm of to Ballagh to rally the troops. I'll leave a pint for you in Durkin's on my way back. That will be on Saturday as I won't have time to delay today.
Just tell whoever's behind the counter that Lar left it for you.
Quote from: Zulu on August 29, 2013, 12:40:39 PM
Will you stop FFS that's a complete crock of shite. For starters, Horan will, like all managers, take his lead from the medical staff on this. If they say he could play then he'd sit down with Cillian and the medical support staff to discuss things and get the players thoughts on it considering the risks. Once Horan has this information he'll discuss the options with his selectors and make a decision based on what's best for Mayo.
It's a potential shoulder dislocation not a bloody charge across no mans land, O'Connor will be fine down the line either way.
As for the other players, Jesus wept!!! They'll be fine, they all know Cillian is a starter when fit or near it. None of them will be crying into their frosties because Horan starts a less than 100% fit O'Connor before them. Though your whole post screams 'I've never spent much time in football dressing rooms or training pitches'.
Agree with all of that but just regarding the piece in bold, not being smart but have you dislocated your shoulder before? And if so, how many times?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 29, 2013, 10:32:22 AM
The team that beats Dublin will win Sam.
The team that beats Mayo will win Sam
Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2013, 01:21:31 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 29, 2013, 10:32:22 AM
The team that beats Dublin will win Sam.
The team that beats Mayo will win Sam
The team that beats Kerry will win Sam
Well someone had to do it :P
Quote from: iorras on August 29, 2013, 01:27:56 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2013, 01:21:31 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 29, 2013, 10:32:22 AM
The team that beats Dublin will win Sam.
The team that beats Mayo will win Sam
The team that beats Kerry will win Sam
Well someone had to do it :P
only one of those 3 statements is true at the moment
Quote from: Syferus on August 29, 2013, 12:22:11 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 29, 2013, 09:47:00 AM
There seems to be some rose tinted glasses WRT Andys displays last year and the year before.
Yes he won everything that went into him but not because he was 5 yards ahead of his man, he was doing what Conroy did on Sunday, using his body to keep the defender off while gathering the ball in. In Andys case a lot of the time at the second time of asking.
I think he's very close to that, we saw on Sunday a couple of times, one in particular in the first half where Dillon kicked it down the line to him and he tipped it down to himself but over the sideline, last year he would have kept it in. Small margins but things that can be rectified.
As for Dillon, talk of him getting dropped is pure nonsense, he has the composure to kick a point or a foot pass when its needed.
Ditto for McLoughlin, FFS one bad game in three years.
COC will start, definitely and without doubt. This talk of him coming in with 15 mins left, so the scenario is that we need him, he comes on, shoulder pops, where are we then? He'll start, if it goes it goes, Mayo will have plan B, which will hopefully involve Conroy and not Varley.
As for player welfare, well thats the greatest load of bollix I ever heard and if COC was to allow Horan to leave him off that give him the chance then he wouldnt deserve to be there. Theres not a man who has played football that would miss an all-ireland final on that basis. And the likes of Syferus can take the high road but we all know that the strongest voice for COC playing in the final will be COC himself.
The win at all costs mentality in a nutshell. Trying to hide behind the transparent shroud of 'it's the players/management's decision' as if they're acting in the interests of the players' health and not some blinkered attempt a winning an important match. They do not know themselves best, in fact in many cases they haven't a clue, just look at Alan Brogan appearing v. Mayo last September and not seeing the field again for now going on 12 months. Perspective and objectivity is lacking in almost all situations like this.
There's a lot of weak managers who don't have what it takes to make a big call like dropping a seriously injured palyer for a final even when they're telling him endlessly that they want to play. From everything I've seen about Horan I expect more than him taking the easy out on this one.
What does it say to lads like Conroy, Doherty, Coen or Varley? You're so shite even a fella with three shoulder injuries in one year (and someone who is going to need surgery one way or another when his season ends) is so superior to you that he still starts over you even when you're at 100%? That'd be a punch in the face to the idea Mayo have a strong panel - something Horan himself was bloviating about in media interviews very recently - and would raise questions in a lot of players' heads as to what the point of them being there is.
I would say this is a key bit. If COC dislocates it again on AIF day what is the real damage, probably unknown, likely not a huge amount on whats done already. So you weight up the pros and the cons.
Positives - He plays, all goes well, he kicks his frees, goes hard for every ball, mayo win or lose, COC goes for surgery week after all-ireland
Negatives - he plays, first tackle he hits the ground, shoulder gone, Mayo revert to plan B, COC goes for surgery week after all-ireland
Negatives - he doesnt play, COC goes for surgery week after all-ireland
All three scenarios end in the same result for COC, maybe scenario two results in more serious damage but i'm pretty sure any football would opt to play.
On a more severe version of the same thing, the Goldman dilemma, "whether they would take a drug that would guarantee them overwhelming success in sport, but cause them to die after five years. In his research approximately half the athletes responded that they would take the drug"
Quote from: sans pessimism on August 29, 2013, 02:35:12 PM
Quote from: iorras on August 29, 2013, 01:27:56 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2013, 01:21:31 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 29, 2013, 10:32:22 AM
The team that beats Dublin will win Sam.
The team that beats Mayo will win Sam
The team that beats Kerry will win Sam
Well someone had to do it :P
only one of those 3 statements is true at the moment
The team that scores the most in the All Ireland final will win Sam.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 29, 2013, 09:32:30 AM
Quote from: Greenabovethered on August 29, 2013, 09:28:35 AM
If O'Connor could master the art of popping that shoulder back in like Martin Riggs in Leathal Weapon he'd be sorted.
On a more serious note, Andy was beaten to at least 3 balls despite being favourite when the ball was kicked. Although his presence on the teams and experience is invaluable and he will start. Varley who I've always had my doubts over, maybe it's his style of kicking, had a shocker. On watching it again he had 3 bad wides, turned over primary possession cheaply inside the 21 at least twice and that missed free at the end summed him up.
After reading Dara O'Shea's piece during the week, I think we'd be better off meeting Dublin that Kerry in the final. Despite Dublin being a superior team, I'd hope that we'd have no fear of them as we would have of seeing the Kerry jersey again.
I think I'd prefer Kerry. Very few of this team played against Kerry in 04 or 06 - Dillon, Moran, Higgins? So there shouldn't be a sense of dread when they see the Kerry jersey.
We'd have a better chance of running Kerry ragged than we would the Dubs - they seem to be as fit as us, and probably have as much if not more pace in their team.
It would be fitting for Mayo to end the long wait by beating Kerry in the final.
As long as they start grinding as soon as possible they should be able to win the final.
Quote from: Syferus on August 29, 2013, 12:50:56 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 29, 2013, 12:40:39 PM
Will you stop FFS that's a complete crock of shite. For starters, Horan will, like all managers, take his lead from the medical staff on this. If they say he could play then he'd sit down with Cillian and the medical support staff to discuss things and get the players thoughts on it considering the risks. Once Horan has this information he'll discuss the optionswith his selectors and make a decision based on what's best for Mayo.
It's a potential shoulder dislocation not a bloody charge across no mans land, O'Connor will be fine down the line either way.
As for the other players, Jesus wept!!! They'll be fine, they all know Cillian is a starter when fit or near it. None of them will be crying into their frosties because Horan starts a less than 100% fit O'Connor before them. Though your whole post screams 'I've never spent much time in football dressing rooms or training pitches'.
If you think managers listen to medical advice religiously I really don't know what to say.
Particularly in high-pressure, big-stakes matches they are far more likely to chance their arm on a key player than that the most prudent course. That isn't how sport has ever operated and I doubt the Mayo in 2013 isn't the exception to the rule.
It takes a smart man to know when the game is up. You can rely on the player themselves to tell you they're ok or want to play. The manager is the authority figure and loves to play the role of a leader but it's in situations like this when you find out how much of a managers' rhetoric is hot air and how much is the real thing.
COC shouldn't be let near a game of football again in 2013, and he definitely shouldn't be starting the most intense game on the GAA calendar.
Oh da P'rose & Blue of Rossies,
I can see it still,
Its soft and soggy bogmen,
Seek their woolly thrills,
Still whinging about dear Ballagh,
And Andy Moran too,
And bold Syf is their oracle,
But he hasn't got a clue,
Hasn't got a clue!
Living on the love of Roscommon People
Smiles on the heart of the Roscommon fan
Fergie's giving us a dream to cling to
and Evans will bring us Sam as soon as he can.
Free the Ballaghrossies
Quote from: muppet on August 29, 2013, 10:31:00 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 29, 2013, 12:50:56 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 29, 2013, 12:40:39 PM
Will you stop FFS that's a complete crock of shite. For starters, Horan will, like all managers, take his lead from the medical staff on this. If they say he could play then he'd sit down with Cillian and the medical support staff to discuss things and get the players thoughts on it considering the risks. Once Horan has this information he'll discuss the optionswith his selectors and make a decision based on what's best for Mayo.
It's a potential shoulder dislocation not a bloody charge across no mans land, O'Connor will be fine down the line either way.
As for the other players, Jesus wept!!! They'll be fine, they all know Cillian is a starter when fit or near it. None of them will be crying into their frosties because Horan starts a less than 100% fit O'Connor before them. Though your whole post screams 'I've never spent much time in football dressing rooms or training pitches'.
If you think managers listen to medical advice religiously I really don't know what to say.
Particularly in high-pressure, big-stakes matches they are far more likely to chance their arm on a key player than that the most prudent course. That isn't how sport has ever operated and I doubt the Mayo in 2013 isn't the exception to the rule.
It takes a smart man to know when the game is up. You can rely on the player themselves to tell you they're ok or want to play. The manager is the authority figure and loves to play the role of a leader but it's in situations like this when you find out how much of a managers' rhetoric is hot air and how much is the real thing.
COC shouldn't be let near a game of football again in 2013, and he definitely shouldn't be starting the most intense game on the GAA calendar.
Oh da P'rose & Blue of Rossies,
I can see it still,
Its soft and soggy bogmen,
Seek their woolly thrills,
Still whinging about dear Ballagh,
And Andy Moran too,
And bold Syf is their oracle,
But he hasn't got a clue,
Hasn't got a clue!
Class!! Respect!
Quote from: Rossfan on August 29, 2013, 10:36:47 PM
Living on the love of Roscommon People
Smiles on the heart of the Roscommon fan
Fergie's giving us a dream to cling to
and Evans will bring us Sam as soon as he can.
Free the Ballaghrossies
Nah. Paul Young ffs.
Why is this on a Mayo AI thread?
Quote from: moysider on August 29, 2013, 10:57:38 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 29, 2013, 10:36:47 PM
Living on the love of Roscommon People
Smiles on the heart of the Roscommon fan
Fergie's giving us a dream to cling to
and Evans will bring us Sam as soon as he can.
Free the Ballaghrossies
Nah. Paul Young ffs.
Why is this on a Mayo AI thread?
cos wannabies will do whatever they can to join the bandwagon, Moy
If the ros minors lose on sunday this thread will be swarming with the rossies trying to annoy everybody and will probably hit 100 pages by the end of next week. :) :)
Quote from: maigheo on August 30, 2013, 12:35:01 AM
If the ros minors lose on sunday this thread will be swarming with the rossies trying to annoy everybody and will probably hit 100 pages by the end of next week. :) :)
The premise is faulty. We'll wreck you Rhubarbs even more if we make it to the AI final.
A riposte:
I want another slice of rhubarb tart.
I want another lovely slice.
I'm not disparaging the blueberry pie
But rhubarb tart is oh so very nice.
A rhubarb what?
A rhubarb tart!
A whatbarb tart?
A rhubarb tart!
I want another slice of rhubarb tart!
The principles of modern philosophy
Were postulated by Descartes.
Discarding everything he wasn't certain of
He said 'I think therefore I am a rhubarb tart'.
A rhubarb what?
A rhubarb tart!
A Rene who?
Rene Descartes!
Poor nut he thought he was a rhubarb tart!
A rhubarb tart has fascinated all the poets.
Especially the immortal bard.
He made Richard the Third to call out on Bosworth Field:
'My kingdom for a slice of rhubarb tart!'
Immortal what?
Immortal tart!
A rhubarb what?
A rhubarb bard!
As rhymes go that is really pretty bad!
Quote from: sans pessimism on August 29, 2013, 02:35:12 PM
Quote from: iorras on August 29, 2013, 01:27:56 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2013, 01:21:31 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 29, 2013, 10:32:22 AM
The team that beats Dublin will win Sam.
The team that beats Mayo will win Sam
The team that beats Kerry will win Sam
Well someone had to do it :P
only one of those 3 statements is true at the moment
The only team that can beat Mayo is themselves. It's an over used cliche in sport but surely if the only team that can beat Mayo is Mayo, then Mayo still win Sam!
Quote from: blanketattack on August 30, 2013, 12:14:09 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on August 29, 2013, 02:35:12 PM
Quote from: iorras on August 29, 2013, 01:27:56 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2013, 01:21:31 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 29, 2013, 10:32:22 AM
The team that beats Dublin will win Sam.
The team that beats Mayo will win Sam
The team that beats Kerry will win Sam
Well someone had to do it :P
only one of those 3 statements is true at the moment
The only team that can beat Mayo is themselves. It's an over used cliche in sport but surely if the only team that can beat Mayo is Mayo, then Mayo still win Sam!
You're in a black hole there Blanket, its like dividing by 0, if Mayo beat themselves then Dublin/Kerry also beat mayo and then both win but that cant happen.
But if no one beats mayo then Mayo win
The main question for Horan re COC is does he resign himself to being without him and plan appropriately, or try and factor him in in some shape or form with the risk that it becomes a distraction to preparations and that it could backfire in some shape or form on the day itself, like Shefflin's knee injury with Kilkenny in the 2010 AI hurling final ? I suppose it will boil down to whether or not Horan believes they can win without O'Connor.
Quote from: bucko on August 30, 2013, 02:50:34 PM
The main question for Horan re COC is does he resign himself to being without him and plan appropriately, or try and factor him in in some shape or form with the risk that it becomes a distraction to preparations and that it could backfire in some shape or form on the day itself, like Shefflin's knee injury with Kilkenny in the 2010 AI hurling final ? I suppose it will boil down to whether or not Horan believes they can win without O'Connor.
I think Mayo game plan with COC is pretty much nailed. So the time between now and All-Ireland day should be spent working on playing without him.
QuoteThe only team that can beat Mayo is themselves. It's an over used cliche in sport but surely if the only team that can beat Mayo is Mayo, then Mayo still win Sam!
if the only team that can beat may are mayo and mayo cant beat anyone in a final who wins the final?
Quote from: rosnarun on August 30, 2013, 04:03:51 PM
QuoteThe only team that can beat Mayo is themselves. It's an over used cliche in sport but surely if the only team that can beat Mayo is Mayo, then Mayo still win Sam!
if the only team that can beat may are mayo and mayo cant beat anyone in a final who wins the final?
At €80+ a ticket the GAA are the only sure fire winners.....
Was talking to a Kerry lad yesterday. The belief in his home county is that the hardest part of Kerry winning an AI this year is beating Dublin. They see Mayo as being little more of a threat than they were other years. He says we (Mayo) are still not smart enough in the controlling of a game. That our full forward line is not up to it. We have not met any quality side yet in the championship. He also said Mayo will give Kerry to much respect, just like we gave a weak Tyrone in the semi. Only difference is that Kerry have the forwards to punish Mayo in such a situation. He said a running game that Mayo play is only an advantage when you have the ball and Kerry have the footballers to hold and not waste possession. He said Mayo remind him of Limerick in Munster. They got to allot of Munster finals over the last couple of years, with some fine teams. But tradition and confidence meant Kerry always prevailed, even when they played better than us. He finished with the blase 'Yerra, Sure we'd like to see ye do it if we didn't do it'. ;)
You can sense it off this guy that there would be no fear of us anyway... 8)
http://www.irishtv.ie/jack-oconnors-advice-for-james-horan/
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 31, 2013, 11:39:11 AM
Was talking to a Kerry lad yesterday. The belief in his home county is that the hardest part of Kerry winning an AI this year is beating Dublin. They see Mayo as being little more of a threat than they were other years. He says we (Mayo) are still not smart enough in the controlling of a game. That our full forward line is not up to it. We have not met any quality side yet in the championship. He also said Mayo will give Kerry to much respect, just like we gave a weak Tyrone in the semi. Only difference is that Kerry have the forwards to punish Mayo in such a situation. He said a running game that Mayo play is only an advantage when you have the ball and Kerry have the footballers to hold and not waste possession. He said Mayo remind him of Limerick in Munster. They got to allot of Munster finals over the last couple of years, with some fine teams. But tradition and confidence meant Kerry always prevailed, even when they played better than us. He finished with the blase 'Yerra, Sure we'd like to see ye do it if we didn't do it'. ;)
Strange, we always get accused of cute hoorism yet in the run up to games you never fail to hear about these "kerrymen" that emerge out of the shadows and behave in a most unKerry-like way, telling all and sundry how great we are ::) ...very curious altogether.
The most likely story is that he got tired of listening to you telling him "its different this time" and he decided to hop some ball.
Its like being back in school....remember when you'd see lads walking down the street and if one gang of lads was approaching another they'd all start walking tough and putting on the auld " don't mess with us" look.
That's what you Mayo lads have been like all year. Pushing out the chest, squaring up to every county passing ye by snarling "its different this time, don't mess with us"
Will ye ever just relax and chill out, like.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 31, 2013, 11:39:11 AM
Was talking to a Kerry lad yesterday. The belief in his home county is that the hardest part of Kerry winning an AI this year is beating Dublin. They see Mayo as being little more of a threat than they were other years. He says we (Mayo) are still not smart enough in the controlling of a game. That our full forward line is not up to it. We have not met any quality side yet in the championship. He also said Mayo will give Kerry to much respect, just like we gave a weak Tyrone in the semi. Only difference is that Kerry have the forwards to punish Mayo in such a situation. He said a running game that Mayo play is only an advantage when you have the ball and Kerry have the footballers to hold and not waste possession. He said Mayo remind him of Limerick in Munster. They got to allot of Munster finals over the last couple of years, with some fine teams. But tradition and confidence meant Kerry always prevailed, even when they played better than us. He finished with the blase 'Yerra, Sure we'd like to see ye do it if we didn't do it'. ;)
Is there anything he said that you d disagree with 'bunker?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2013, 02:12:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 31, 2013, 11:39:11 AM
Was talking to a Kerry lad yesterday. The belief in his home county is that the hardest part of Kerry winning an AI this year is beating Dublin. They see Mayo as being little more of a threat than they were other years. He says we (Mayo) are still not smart enough in the controlling of a game. That our full forward line is not up to it. We have not met any quality side yet in the championship. He also said Mayo will give Kerry to much respect, just like we gave a weak Tyrone in the semi. Only difference is that Kerry have the forwards to punish Mayo in such a situation. He said a running game that Mayo play is only an advantage when you have the ball and Kerry have the footballers to hold and not waste possession. He said Mayo remind him of Limerick in Munster. They got to allot of Munster finals over the last couple of years, with some fine teams. But tradition and confidence meant Kerry always prevailed, even when they played better than us. He finished with the blase 'Yerra, Sure we'd like to see ye do it if we didn't do it'. ;)
Strange, we always get accused of cute hoorism yet in the run up to games you never fail to hear about these "kerrymen" that emerge out of the shadows and behave in a most unKerry-like way, telling all and sundry how great we are ::) ...very curious altogether.
The most likely story is that he got tired of listening to you telling him "its different this time" and he decided to hop some ball.
Its like being back in school....remember when you'd see lads walking down the street and if one gang of lads was approaching another they'd all start walking tough and putting on the auld " don't mess with us" look.
That's what you Mayo lads have been like all year. Pushing out the chest, squaring up to every county passing ye by snarling "its different this time, don't mess with us"
Will ye ever just relax and chill out, like.
Maybe he is hoping ball but I doubt it.
More like lazy analysis from a part timer, doubtful if he goes to club games.
Lets see what Kerry have to offer tomorrow, very few in the county are looking past the Dubs.
Quote from: moysider on August 31, 2013, 02:22:15 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 31, 2013, 11:39:11 AM
Was talking to a Kerry lad yesterday. The belief in his home county is that the hardest part of Kerry winning an AI this year is beating Dublin. They see Mayo as being little more of a threat than they were other years. He says we (Mayo) are still not smart enough in the controlling of a game. That our full forward line is not up to it. We have not met any quality side yet in the championship. He also said Mayo will give Kerry to much respect, just like we gave a weak Tyrone in the semi. Only difference is that Kerry have the forwards to punish Mayo in such a situation. He said a running game that Mayo play is only an advantage when you have the ball and Kerry have the footballers to hold and not waste possession. He said Mayo remind him of Limerick in Munster. They got to allot of Munster finals over the last couple of years, with some fine teams. But tradition and confidence meant Kerry always prevailed, even when they played better than us. He finished with the blase 'Yerra, Sure we'd like to see ye do it if we didn't do it'. ;)
Is there anything he said that you d disagree with 'bunker?
You know we have been on the crest of a wave. And I was rather annoyed that the Kerry Lad almost dismissed our challenge. As with the way things go we are often a little blinded in where we lie in the scheme of things. Often you can start looking at things with rose tinted glasses when you are winning and surrounded by fellow fans. Tyrone asked questions of us for 25 minutes. During those 25 minutes we looked like Mayo of old. A fragile bunch who could huff and puff but there would be no house blown down. Passes with astray, easy chances and frees were missed. Tyrone are a good side but a limited one. The bookies had their odds about right going into the match. They made us look limited. But we got through. Some say with a little help? Who knows? I would agree with most of his statements if it was 2009. I would be hoping that the 2013 Mayo and Kerry models are a little different. Especially the Mayo model. Now more than ever, I actually want Kerry in the final. Might regret it but feck it!
Mayo will be hoping they aren't underdogs for this final. Under James Horan Mayo have never lost a game when favourites.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 31, 2013, 03:38:19 PM
Mayo will be hoping they aren't underdogs for this final. Under James Horan Mayo have never lost a game when favourites.
Cork 2011 we were 5/1.
and last year we were hardly favourites v Dublin in the AI semi or Kerry in the League semi final?
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 31, 2013, 04:01:47 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 31, 2013, 03:38:19 PM
Mayo will be hoping they aren't underdogs for this final. Under James Horan Mayo have never lost a game when favourites.
Cork 2011 we were 5/1.
and last year we were hardly favourites v Dublin in the AI semi or Kerry in the League semi final?
Missing the point. Mayo under Horan have lost games as underdogs like last years All Ireland final when Donegal were favourites.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 31, 2013, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 31, 2013, 04:01:47 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 31, 2013, 03:38:19 PM
Mayo will be hoping they aren't underdogs for this final. Under James Horan Mayo have never lost a game when favourites.
Cork 2011 we were 5/1.
and last year we were hardly favourites v Dublin in the AI semi or Kerry in the League semi final?
Missing the point. Mayo under Horan have lost games as underdogs like last years All Ireland final when Donegal were favourites.
No, I get the point. In the games listed we were underdogs and we won!
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 31, 2013, 03:06:44 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 31, 2013, 02:22:15 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 31, 2013, 11:39:11 AM
Was talking to a Kerry lad yesterday. The belief in his home county is that the hardest part of Kerry winning an AI this year is beating Dublin. They see Mayo as being little more of a threat than they were other years. He says we (Mayo) are still not smart enough in the controlling of a game. That our full forward line is not up to it. We have not met any quality side yet in the championship. He also said Mayo will give Kerry to much respect, just like we gave a weak Tyrone in the semi. Only difference is that Kerry have the forwards to punish Mayo in such a situation. He said a running game that Mayo play is only an advantage when you have the ball and Kerry have the footballers to hold and not waste possession. He said Mayo remind him of Limerick in Munster. They got to allot of Munster finals over the last couple of years, with some fine teams. But tradition and confidence meant Kerry always prevailed, even when they played better than us. He finished with the blase 'Yerra, Sure we'd like to see ye do it if we didn't do it'. ;)
Is there anything he said that you d disagree with 'bunker?
You know we have been on the crest of a wave. And I was rather annoyed that the Kerry Lad almost dismissed our challenge. As with the way things go we are often a little blinded in where we lie in the scheme of things. Often you can start looking at things with rose tinted glasses when you are winning and surrounded by fellow fans. Tyrone asked questions of us for 25 minutes. During those 25 minutes we looked like Mayo of old. A fragile bunch who could huff and puff but there would be no house blown down. Passes with astray, easy chances and frees were missed. Tyrone are a good side but a limited one. The bookies had their odds about right going into the match. They made us look limited. But we got through. Some say with a little help? Who knows? I would agree with most of his statements if it was 2009. I would be hoping that the 2013 Mayo and Kerry models are a little different. Especially the Mayo model. Now more than ever, I actually want Kerry in the final. Might regret it but feck it!
But if Kerry are good enough tomorrow to beat the team that were favourites to win the AI before a ball was kicked in anger? Will that not bring a different dynamic altogether? So far Kerry have had Cork and Cavan beat by ht.
If Kerry win tomorrow the whole country will be thinking like your Kerry friend.
Quote from: moysider on August 31, 2013, 06:40:32 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 31, 2013, 03:06:44 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 31, 2013, 02:22:15 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 31, 2013, 11:39:11 AM
Was talking to a Kerry lad yesterday. The belief in his home county is that the hardest part of Kerry winning an AI this year is beating Dublin. They see Mayo as being little more of a threat than they were other years. He says we (Mayo) are still not smart enough in the controlling of a game. That our full forward line is not up to it. We have not met any quality side yet in the championship. He also said Mayo will give Kerry to much respect, just like we gave a weak Tyrone in the semi. Only difference is that Kerry have the forwards to punish Mayo in such a situation. He said a running game that Mayo play is only an advantage when you have the ball and Kerry have the footballers to hold and not waste possession. He said Mayo remind him of Limerick in Munster. They got to allot of Munster finals over the last couple of years, with some fine teams. But tradition and confidence meant Kerry always prevailed, even when they played better than us. He finished with the blase 'Yerra, Sure we'd like to see ye do it if we didn't do it'. ;)
Is there anything he said that you d disagree with 'bunker?
You know we have been on the crest of a wave. And I was rather annoyed that the Kerry Lad almost dismissed our challenge. As with the way things go we are often a little blinded in where we lie in the scheme of things. Often you can start looking at things with rose tinted glasses when you are winning and surrounded by fellow fans. Tyrone asked questions of us for 25 minutes. During those 25 minutes we looked like Mayo of old. A fragile bunch who could huff and puff but there would be no house blown down. Passes with astray, easy chances and frees were missed. Tyrone are a good side but a limited one. The bookies had their odds about right going into the match. They made us look limited. But we got through. Some say with a little help? Who knows? I would agree with most of his statements if it was 2009. I would be hoping that the 2013 Mayo and Kerry models are a little different. Especially the Mayo model. Now more than ever, I actually want Kerry in the final. Might regret it but feck it!
But if Kerry are good enough tomorrow to beat the team that were favourites to win the AI before a ball was kicked in anger? Will that not bring a different dynamic altogether? So far Kerry have had Cork and Cavan beat by ht.
If Kerry win tomorrow the whole country will be thinking like your Kerry friend.
Cork and Cavan are some way off September pace. I think the Dubs will win by at least 4.
Kerry are in transition. I hope they stay there til the end of the decade.
Quote from: seafoid on August 31, 2013, 08:32:42 PM
Kerry are in transition. I hope they stay there til the end of the decade.Century ;D
I won't be surprised no matter which way it goes tomorrow.
Quote from: moysider on August 31, 2013, 06:40:32 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 31, 2013, 03:06:44 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 31, 2013, 02:22:15 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 31, 2013, 11:39:11 AM
Was talking to a Kerry lad yesterday. The belief in his home county is that the hardest part of Kerry winning an AI this year is beating Dublin. They see Mayo as being little more of a threat than they were other years. He says we (Mayo) are still not smart enough in the controlling of a game. That our full forward line is not up to it. We have not met any quality side yet in the championship. He also said Mayo will give Kerry to much respect, just like we gave a weak Tyrone in the semi. Only difference is that Kerry have the forwards to punish Mayo in such a situation. He said a running game that Mayo play is only an advantage when you have the ball and Kerry have the footballers to hold and not waste possession. He said Mayo remind him of Limerick in Munster. They got to allot of Munster finals over the last couple of years, with some fine teams. But tradition and confidence meant Kerry always prevailed, even when they played better than us. He finished with the blase 'Yerra, Sure we'd like to see ye do it if we didn't do it'. ;)
Is there anything he said that you d disagree with 'bunker?
You know we have been on the crest of a wave. And I was rather annoyed that the Kerry Lad almost dismissed our challenge. As with the way things go we are often a little blinded in where we lie in the scheme of things. Often you can start looking at things with rose tinted glasses when you are winning and surrounded by fellow fans. Tyrone asked questions of us for 25 minutes. During those 25 minutes we looked like Mayo of old. A fragile bunch who could huff and puff but there would be no house blown down. Passes with astray, easy chances and frees were missed. Tyrone are a good side but a limited one. The bookies had their odds about right going into the match. They made us look limited. But we got through. Some say with a little help? Who knows? I would agree with most of his statements if it was 2009. I would be hoping that the 2013 Mayo and Kerry models are a little different. Especially the Mayo model. Now more than ever, I actually want Kerry in the final. Might regret it but feck it!
But if Kerry are good enough tomorrow to beat the team that were favourites to win the AI before a ball was kicked in anger? Will that not bring a different dynamic altogether? So far Kerry have had Cork and Cavan beat by ht.
If Kerry win tomorrow the whole country will be thinking like your Kerry friend.
You've hit the nail on the head there Moysider!
Quote from: Syferus on August 30, 2013, 01:14:12 AM
Quote from: maigheo on August 30, 2013, 12:35:01 AM
If the ros minors lose on sunday this thread will be swarming with the rossies trying to annoy everybody and will probably hit 100 pages by the end of next week. :) :)
The premise is faulty. We'll wreck you Rhubarbs even more if we make it to the AI final.
A riposte:
I want another slice of rhubarb tart.
I want another lovely slice.
I'm not disparaging the blueberry pie
But rhubarb tart is oh so very nice.
A rhubarb what?
A rhubarb tart!
A whatbarb tart?
A rhubarb tart!
I want another slice of rhubarb tart!
The principles of modern philosophy
Were postulated by Descartes.
Discarding everything he wasn't certain of
He said 'I think therefore I am a rhubarb tart'.
A rhubarb what?
A rhubarb tart!
A Rene who?
Rene Descartes!
Poor nut he thought he was a rhubarb tart!
A rhubarb tart has fascinated all the poets.
Especially the immortal bard.
He made Richard the Third to call out on Bosworth Field:
'My kingdom for a slice of rhubarb tart!'
Immortal what?
Immortal tart!
A rhubarb what?
A rhubarb bard!
As rhymes go that is really pretty bad!
Hi Syf,
Just back from the wesht and like I promised, I called in to Durkin's and left a pint down for you. (The following is true, btw.)
Couldn't help noticing that there are at least 3 Mayo flags to every Rossie one on the streets. Ballagh isn't for turning now or at any time in the next century but anyway...
I goes up to the barman and sez I, "I'd like to leave a pint down for someone. That okay with you?"
"Of course," sez he, "who's it for?"
"Well, that could take a bit of explaining," I tells him, "Y'see, there is this bit of an eejit from Roscommon and I prom..."
With that, he cut me short, spread his hands out on the counter and shook his head from side to side, real slow and measured like.
"Me good man," sez he, "If you were to name every eejit from Roscommon that comes through that door, I'd be off for me tea and be back on duty again before you'd get half way through the list. You'll have to do better than that."
"S'pose ye'r right, " sez I, "Ah, I'm his uncle Lar so if he comes asking, you'll know he's the one."
"Well, fair enough but if you're his uncle, how come you don't know his name?"
"Arra, but didn't I tell ye that he's Roscommon and like the rest of 'em, he doesn't know his arse from his elbow."
"Well," sez he when he stopped laughing, "That makes sense alright. I'll be waiting when he shows up then."
"See ye then," sez I, heading for the door. "Keep the faith."
"Course we will, "back came the reply. "We never lost it."
Good luck to both teams, should be a hell of a final. Tickets will be like hens teeth.
Anyone any tickets?
Yep ;D
Hard to see past Dublin now
Anyone got the lend of a Mayo jersey?
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2013, 05:10:13 PM
Hard to see past Dublin now
Already installed as favourites by PP. And rightly so.
Look, there ll always be a good Dublin, Kerry, Cork, Tyrone or whoever waiting in a final.
Quote from: laoislad on September 01, 2013, 05:11:24 PM
Anyone got the lend of a Mayo jersey?
There's quite a few of them in Kerry! ;D
Quote from: moysider on September 01, 2013, 05:23:49 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2013, 05:10:13 PM
Hard to see past Dublin now
Already installed as favourites by PP. And rightly so.
Look, there ll always be a good Dublin, Kerry, Cork, Tyrone or whoever waiting in a final.
Mayo could be down to their 4th choice keeper by half time, Hennelly's foot will be in bits from kicking the ball out
Quote from: muppet on September 01, 2013, 05:05:13 PM
Anyone any tickets?
There ll be plenty of tickets. No neutrals will want to attend another no contest involving a Mayo team in a final :'(
Disaster final.
Does every county get a certain amount of tickets?
Swore I'd never go back to another final with mayo in it but I fancy. Our minors to let loose
Quote from: rrhf on September 01, 2013, 05:39:09 PM
Swore I'd never go back to another final with mayo in it but I fancy. Our minors to let loose
To let the Mayo forwards loose from the bearhug tackles???
After watching Dubs today I dont think I'm goin to bother with the two tickets I was goin to get for my Cairde Mayo membership!
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 01, 2013, 05:44:47 PM
After watching Dubs today I dont think I'm goin to bother with the two tickets I was goin to get for my Cairde Mayo membership!
No point wasting them, I'll go on your behalf and text you the score.
Mayo will have a better chance against Dublin than Kerrry who have always ahd there card, end of the day, 2 best teams in the country in the final, and outside of Donegal would have been2 of the 3 teams most people would have down for been about all-ireland time
Quote from: All of a Sludden on September 01, 2013, 05:54:16 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 01, 2013, 05:44:47 PM
After watching Dubs today I dont think I'm goin to bother with the two tickets I was goin to get for my Cairde Mayo membership!
No point wasting them, I'll go on your behalf and text you the score.
thought you said there was no point wasting them!
Initial thoughts. Dublin were awesome in parts today especially as Kerry tired and the subs came on. Bringing on Donaghy did Kerry no favours. Ger Brennan was exposed badly though and moving Cian O'Sullivan weakened midfied because Bastick is less mobile. The full back line were cut open too many times and a fit Cillian O'Connor would cause major problems in there. Mayo however, don't have a fit Cillian O'Connor and that might be crucial to the outcome. Mayo's defence is better and faster than Kerry's but Bernard Brogan showed signs that he is coming into form at the right time.
How many times have we seen teams take part in extraordinary games or put in great displays but are not able to repeat it the next day. A worry there for the Dubs.
I'm 99% certain that Mayo wouldn't have been able to beat that Kerry team with the game on the line in the last 5 minutes. It's surely advantage Dublin in therms of mental strength going into the final with a tight game like that won against the masters of squeezing out tight wins.
I stand over my comment made during the week. ;)
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 01, 2013, 07:22:11 PM
I'm 99% certain that Mayo wouldn't have been able to beat that Kerry team with the game on the line in the last 5 minutes. It's surely advantage Dublin in therms of mental strength going into the final with a tight game like that won against the masters of squeezing out tight wins.
Interesting. Our problem with Kerry is usually the first 5 minutes.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 01, 2013, 07:22:11 PM
I'm 99% certain that Mayo wouldn't have been able to beat that Kerry team with the game on the line in the last 5 minutes. It's surely advantage Dublin in therms of mental strength going into the final with a tight game like that won against the masters of squeezing out tight wins.
99% based on Mayo of 2006 playing the same vintage team or todays crowd? Thanks for getting Kerry outta the way for us. Since you are looking at closing out tight games, we've a good record against yourselves in that regard.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 01, 2013, 07:31:08 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 01, 2013, 07:22:11 PM
I'm 99% certain that Mayo wouldn't have been able to beat that Kerry team with the game on the line in the last 5 minutes. It's surely advantage Dublin in therms of mental strength going into the final with a tight game like that won against the masters of squeezing out tight wins.
99% based on Mayo of 2006 playing the same vintage team or todays crowd? Thanks for getting Kerry outta the way for us. Since you are looking at closing out tight games, we've a good record against yourselves in that regard.
True but you've an awful record in finals. Can you get over the mental block? Very little history between the current dublin and mayo teams if any bar last year's semi final. But even then there are several changes to both teams.
For what its worth- mayo will cause dublin bigger problems then Kerry did today.
I still think Mayo's name is on it this year. We've still bailing water in certain areas of the pitch and Mayo won't wilt like Kerry did today
Quote from: INDIANA on September 01, 2013, 07:35:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 01, 2013, 07:31:08 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 01, 2013, 07:22:11 PM
I'm 99% certain that Mayo wouldn't have been able to beat that Kerry team with the game on the line in the last 5 minutes. It's surely advantage Dublin in therms of mental strength going into the final with a tight game like that won against the masters of squeezing out tight wins.
99% based on Mayo of 2006 playing the same vintage team or todays crowd? Thanks for getting Kerry outta the way for us. Since you are looking at closing out tight games, we've a good record against yourselves in that regard.
True but you've an awful record in finals. Can you get over the mental block? Very little history between the current dublin and mayo teams if any bar last year's semi final. But even then there are several changes to both teams.
For what its worth- mayo will cause dublin bigger problems then Kerry did today.
I still think Mayo's name is on it this year. We've still bailing water in certain areas of the pitch and Mayo won't wilt like Kerry did today
Today was an open game. The final won't be! Both teams strongest and weakest departments will be playing each other. You'd have to favour Dublin. Home advantage. They have won an AI. Revenge for last year. and their new players.
Mayos to loose.................Mayo would have scored 27 goals in the first half
Our bogey team awaits in the final. >:(
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 01, 2013, 08:11:00 PM
Mayos to loose.................Mayo would have scored 27 goals in the first half
.....of this Century!
It'll need to be some game to top today's but I think these buckaroos can oblige and give us a classic final.
Philly to start for the Dubs?
Both Mayo and Tyrone have better defnses than what we witnessed there today. I fancy Mayo to batten down the hatches. My fear for them is about O connor / Moran and their fitness and that leaving the county doubting themselves.
It'll make for an interesting final and all yerras aside, Dublin will be slight favourites.
I'd guess the starting matchups will look something like:
Cunniffe v Brogan
Caff v Andrews (Rock if he comes in?)
Barrett v Mannion
Boyle / Keegan v Connolly / Kilkenny
Vaughan v Flynn (I think we'll need to put Vaughan on Flynn to stop Dublin hitting him on their kickouts)
SOS v MDMA
AOS v Bastick
Dillon v McCarthy
McLoughlin v McCaffrey
Higgins v Cian O'S (Hard to see Brennan starting after today)
Andy / CO'C v O'Brien
Freeman v O'Connell
Conroy v Cooper
With the advantage as I'd see it being with the player in bold - although I wouldn't be surprised to see any of them going the other way. I think the matchups between the Mayo half back line and the Dublin half forward line will be the winning and losing of the game. The Dublin bench has more firepower esp if CO'C is out for Mayo.
Haven't looked forward to an All Ireland final this much since this time last year, roll on Sunday 3 weeks
Quote from: rrhf on September 01, 2013, 08:33:57 PM
Both Mayo and Tyrone have better defnses than what we witnessed there today. I fancy Mayo to batten down the hatches. My fear for them is about O connor / Moran and their fitness and that leaving the county doubting themselves.
3 goals in the first half and Kerry really opened them up - if the Mayo FF line gets that kind of room it'll be wonderful.
surprisingly, this the first ever AI final between the two counties.
Quote from: moysider on September 01, 2013, 09:48:39 PM
surprisingly, this the first ever AI final between the two counties.
Second... 1921 final, played in 1923 was won by Dublin.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2013, 09:55:20 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 01, 2013, 09:48:39 PM
surprisingly, this the first ever AI final between the two counties.
Second... 1921 final, played in 1923 was won by Dublin.
Nice one 'deelin - you know yer stuff!
Revenge should be a motivating factor so!
Bookies can't separate the 2 teams.
I thought Dublin might be favourites after today's display - Dublin scoring 3-18 and some saying that they didn't catch fire.
Imagine if they had caught fire today what they'd have scored ?
To win outright:
Mayo evens
Dublin 4/5
Would have thought Dublin would be closer to 4/6 or even 8/13, I'd say they'll shorten over the next two weeks
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2013, 10:52:12 PM
To win outright:
Mayo evens
Dublin 4/5
Would have thought Dublin would be closer to 4/6 or even 8/13, I'd say they'll shorten over the next two weeks
get your reddies on the Dubs NOW ....every minute delayed is a euro lost!
Obviously Dublin are raging hot favourites for the final. Was afraid this would happen.
- They've hammered us twice already this year so they have our number.
- We don't have the strength in depth they have. Certainly don't have a bench that will contribute 1-4/1-5.
- Home team advantage and we will be intimidated by the hill. No doubting that.
- AOS will be targetted and will see red as he is very cynical.
- Assuming O'Connor is out (almost a certainty), we don't have a dead ball kicker of the quality Dublin have. Cluxton kicks them over at will anywhere within 50 yards.
- Ref will be watching the dirty shoulder charging tactics as shown by Cunnfife against Tyrone.
- They are reigning league champions.
Should be a great final for the neutral though ;)
Quote from: Bod Mor on September 02, 2013, 12:14:38 AM
Obviously Dublin are raging hot favourites for the final. Was afraid this would happen.
- They've hammered us twice already this year so they have our number.
- We don't have the strength in depth they have. Certainly don't have a bench that will contribute 1-4/1-5.
- Home team advantage and we will be intimidated by the hill. No doubting that.
- AOS will be targetted and will see red as he is very cynical.
- Assuming O'Connor is out (almost a certainty), we don't have a dead ball kicker of the quality Dublin have. Cluxton kicks them over at will anywhere within 50 yards.
- Ref will be watching the dirty shoulder charging tactics as shown by Cunnfife against Tyrone.
- They are reigning league champions.
Should be a great final for the neutral though ;)
Dublin's biggest problem will be yesterday wasn't a final. I think Dublin will find it very difficult to lift their game again in 3 weeks. As a result Mayo would be marginal favourites.
I've said it all year I just feel Mayo's name is on this one. They lack one or two outstanding footballers but they have the better balanced team. We can't keep relying on our bench to score 1-5.
The thing about the next day is Mayo's conditioning is every bit as good as Dublin's and the fresh legs won't have the advantage they had yesterday.
It was Kerry's younger lads who wilted yesterday because they haven't the years of physical conditioning behind them that's needed at this level. Lads like Tomas O Se were still going strong in the 65th minute. Mayo won't wilt.
Not sure how much the Dublin and Kerry teams have learned from Kerry, but some posters here have clearly done a course in yerra.
Mayo could do well to note that the only team who have been able to undo the Dubs this year is the Cynic's from up north. I hope for Mayo's sake they don't get carried away with themselves thinking they can live with the Dub's in a shoot out. Mayo don't have the firepower of the Kingdom and they ultimately failed to out score the boys in blue.
QuoteMayo don't have the firepower of the Kingdom and they ultimately failed to out score the boys in blue.
Good man. Very logical. I was worried all year about our scoring average and you have brought it home to roost for me.
Would you not think our backs are stronger than those Kerry byes yesterday though? Go away and think about that for a while.
Quote from: highorlow on September 02, 2013, 10:04:25 AM
QuoteMayo don't have the firepower of the Kingdom and they ultimately failed to out score the boys in blue.
Good man. Very logical. I was worried all year about our scoring average and you have brought it home to roost for me.
Would you not think our backs are stronger than those Kerry byes yesterday though? Go away and think about that for a while.
I do think your back line is a good bit stronger than Kerry's, but your forward division didn't impress for the first 35 min's v Tyrone. if you think a front division not scoring from play for 35 mins in an All - Ireland Semi is the sign of a strong scoring front six then fair enough. Getting carried away with the scoring returns of Mayo against poorer opposition aint going to cut it. If Mayo are going to win this it needs to be a low scoring game, its unlikely IMHO they can take Dublin on in a shoot out and expect to win.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2013, 08:53:36 PM
It'll make for an interesting final and all yerras aside, Dublin will be slight favourites.
I'd guess the starting matchups will look something like:
Cunniffe v Brogan
Caff v Andrews (Rock if he comes in?)
Barrett v Mannion
Boyle / Keegan v Connolly / Kilkenny
Vaughan v Flynn (I think we'll need to put Vaughan on Flynn to stop Dublin hitting him on their kickouts)
SOS v MDMA
AOS v Bastick
Dillon v McCarthy
McLoughlin v McCaffrey
Higgins v Cian O'S (Hard to see Brennan starting after today)
Andy / CO'C v O'Brien
Freeman v O'Connell
Conroy v Cooper
With the advantage as I'd see it being with the player in bold - although I wouldn't be surprised to see any of them going the other way. I think the matchups between the Mayo half back line and the Dublin half forward line will be the winning and losing of the game. The Dublin bench has more firepower esp if CO'C is out for Mayo.
Haven't looked forward to an All Ireland final this much since this time last year, roll on Sunday 3 weeks
I almost agree. Here are my amendments:
Boyle /
Keegan v Connolly / Kilkenny
Vaughan v Flynn
SOS v MDMA
I think SOS is Mayo unsung hero and there is no doubt in my mind that he will have the measure against MDMA. I'm probably more hopefully that Vaughan can equal Flynn, but I think he will. Both Boyle and Keegan have been immense this year. Now they will have there hands full, but those lads are class and will marshal both Connolly & Kilkenny good enough. I know big talk from me, but I've great confidence in Mayo.
QuoteI do think your back line is a good bit stronger than Kerry's,
Quoteits unlikely IMHO they can take Dublin on in a shoot out and expect to win
You do realize that if Mayo's defence is better then a shoot out isn't going to occur.
The same aul muck was said about our forwards in '06 and last year. Anyhow we will all know in 3 weeks time who is right and who is wrong.
My view is that both teams are fairly well matched but one thing we have over the Dubs is hunger. We are starved of an AI and the conviction we have shown to get one is with us this year and that will get us across the line.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 02, 2013, 10:19:19 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 02, 2013, 10:04:25 AM
QuoteMayo don't have the firepower of the Kingdom and they ultimately failed to out score the boys in blue.
Good man. Very logical. I was worried all year about our scoring average and you have brought it home to roost for me.
Would you not think our backs are stronger than those Kerry byes yesterday though? Go away and think about that for a while.
I do think your back line is a good bit stronger than Kerry's, but your forward division didn't impress for the first 35 min's v Tyrone. if you think a front division not scoring from play for 35 mins in an All - Ireland Semi is the sign of a strong scoring front six then fair enough. Getting carried away with the scoring returns of Mayo against poorer opposition aint going to cut it. If Mayo are going to win this it needs to be a low scoring game, its unlikely IMHO they can take Dublin on in a shoot out and expect to win.
You could equally argue that a defence that concedes 3-11 in a semi final is not good enough either. Both teams have their strengths and weaknesses. To focus solely on one teams weaknesses is too simplistic.
Nothing won by the dublin buckos yesterday but a moral victory over the cute whoors ............................. Mayo still favorites, cant wait to witness this final
Thought James Horan eyes were going to bulge from his head yesterday at the game
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 02, 2013, 11:45:47 AM
Nothing won by the dublin buckos yesterday but a moral victory over the cute whoors ............................. Mayo still favorites, cant wait to witness this final
Thought James Horan eyes were going to bulge from his head yesterday at the game
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/gaa-sports
I think Mayo will need to park the bus to win this one.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 02, 2013, 12:25:24 PM
I think Mayo will need to park the bus to win this one.
Oh don't say that :) It's not Mayo style and they perform better going forward playing positive football.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 02, 2013, 12:25:24 PM
I think Mayo will need to park the bus to win this one.
Padriac Nally with his trusty shotgun and guard dogs should do the trick as a sweeper ;).
Enjoyed the match yesterday and the euphoria among the Dublin supporters was great to witness first hand.
Don't think we learned anything new about Dublin however, their full back line is ripe for picking. If we dominate the middle I think we will cause serious damage.
I wouldn't swap any player from 2-7 for our lads to be honest. McCaffrey is going to be unreal in a few years but he was like a lost boy out their yesterday for most of the match.
Will Dublin start Bastick and shift O'Sullivan back to 6?
QuotePadriac Nally with his trusty shotgun and guard dogs should do the trick as a sweeper
ah, but can they put out fires, boss.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 02, 2013, 12:55:39 PM
Will Dublin start Bastick and shift O'Sullivan back to 6?
I'd say so, it'll be a different looking back line the next day for sure.
Mayo don't have a gooch type at 11 so expect Brennan to start again to bring his usual combative approach and stopping power to proceedings. O Sullivan in midfield with McAuley makes a very mobile pairing and would have the edge in mobility on our pair. Although our pair may have an edge in the air and breaks. Bastick, O'Gara and especially McMenamon are working in impact roles and ensure Dublin will finish strongly. Why change what s working?
Quote from: Jinxy on September 02, 2013, 12:25:24 PM
I think Mayo will need to park the bus to win this one.
And Cillian O Connor is fast, he's quick and he has pace.
Quote from: moysider on September 02, 2013, 01:46:01 PM
Mayo don't have a gooch type at 11 so expect Brennan to start again to bring his usual combative approach and stopping power to proceedings. O Sullivan in midfield with McAuley makes a very mobile pairing and would have the edge in mobility on our pair. Although our pair may have an edge in the air and breaks. Bastick, O'Gara and especially McMenamon are working in impact roles and ensure Dublin will finish strongly. Why change what s working?
I think Andy's the man for 11 if his leg improves slightly. Somewhere where he can pick up ball where burst speed isn't a major impediment and it's more about positioning and delivery rather than finishing. He may not be Gooch but there's few players in the game with better vision for a pass.
http://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-v-mayo/winner
The odds are very tight but a draw is 9/1 all the same.
How does that work?
Apart from Dublin supporters nobody wants to see Mayo lose their seventh All Ireland final in row however the Dublin bench will win this All Ireland. If O'Connor is fit i expect Mayo to match Kerrys scoring from yesterday if not would have to fear the worst for them.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 06:13:03 PM
Apart from Dublin supporters nobody wants to see Mayo lose their seventh All Ireland final in row however the Dublin bench will win this All Ireland. If O'Connor is fit i expect Mayo to match Kerrys scoring from yesterday if not would have to fear the worst for them.
The Dublin bench is impressive, but no more so than Mayo's. I fancy Mayo to edge thus by 2-3.
Quote from: seafoid on September 02, 2013, 02:37:38 PM
http://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-v-mayo/winner
The odds are very tight but a draw is 9/1 all the same.
How does that work?
Not sure of the maths behind it - presumably based on average no of draws etc - but 9/1 is normal for most football games, was the same for yesterday's game. Hurling games tend to be 8/1 or 15/2
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 02, 2013, 06:15:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 06:13:03 PM
Apart from Dublin supporters nobody wants to see Mayo lose their seventh All Ireland final in row however the Dublin bench will win this All Ireland. If O'Connor is fit i expect Mayo to match Kerrys scoring from yesterday if not would have to fear the worst for them.
The Dublin bench is impressive, but no more so than Mayo's. I fancy Mayo to edge thus by 2-3.
The Dublin bench scored 2-2 to win that game would the Mayo bench manage that against Kerry? i think not.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 07:01:22 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 02, 2013, 06:15:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 06:13:03 PM
Apart from Dublin supporters nobody wants to see Mayo lose their seventh All Ireland final in row however the Dublin bench will win this All Ireland. If O'Connor is fit i expect Mayo to match Kerrys scoring from yesterday if not would have to fear the worst for them.
The Dublin bench is impressive, but no more so than Mayo's. I fancy Mayo to edge thus by 2-3.
The Dublin bench scored 2-2 to win that game would the Mayo bench manage that against Kerry? i think not.
How much would you bet on O'Gara scoring a goal off the bench again?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 07:01:22 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 02, 2013, 06:15:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 06:13:03 PM
Apart from Dublin supporters nobody wants to see Mayo lose their seventh All Ireland final in row however the Dublin bench will win this All Ireland. If O'Connor is fit i expect Mayo to match Kerrys scoring from yesterday if not would have to fear the worst for them.
The Dublin bench is impressive, but no more so than Mayo's. I fancy Mayo to edge thus by 2-3.
The Dublin bench scored 2-2 to win that game would the Mayo bench manage that against Kerry? i think not.
Depend if we are closing out the game? Do Dublin have players to close out and defend a game?
What's the latest on Cillian?
Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2013, 07:05:48 PM
How much would you bet on O'Gara scoring a goal off the bench again?
Not a penny however Rock,McManamon are two subs that could provide the scores to win a tight.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2013, 07:17:04 PM
What's the latest on Cillian?
In the States getting a bitta rehab i hear?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 07:18:49 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2013, 07:05:48 PM
How much would you bet on O'Gara scoring a goal off the bench again?
Not a penny however Rock,McManamon are two subs that could provide the scores to win a tight.
McManamon does not have much football in him, but he is strong and fast. Rock on the other hand has all three!
ZWill rock / mcmenamin start in place of Andrews?
Mayo need to start this final well. If we can start off well, anything can happen. If we don't then it's curtains I'm afraid.
Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2013, 07:05:48 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 07:01:22 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 02, 2013, 06:15:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 06:13:03 PM
Apart from Dublin supporters nobody wants to see Mayo lose their seventh All Ireland final in row however the Dublin bench will win this All Ireland. If O'Connor is fit i expect Mayo to match Kerrys scoring from yesterday if not would have to fear the worst for them.
The Dublin bench is impressive, but no more so than Mayo's. I fancy Mayo to edge thus by 2-3.
The Dublin bench scored 2-2 to win that game would the Mayo bench manage that against Kerry? i think not.
How much would you bet on O'Gara scoring a goal off the bench again?
You haven't a forward to match Rock or Maxi on the bench.
Your first 15 may well be better then ours but you're Top 20 isn't.
You'll need to be ahead after 55mins. Thats why Kerry lost. Had they held their advantage from early in the second half and had a few subs they surely would have won.
We Indiana are not half as afraid of that Dublin team as you would like to think. That Dublin defence is there to be torn apart. We wll beat you in the centre too. I fear we will be trying to retain our All-Ireland title at the start of 2014 "untested" ;)
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 02, 2013, 08:58:40 PM
We Indiana are not half as afraid of that Dublin team as you would like to think. That Dublin defence is there to be torn apart. We wll beat you in the centre too. I fear we will be trying to retain our All-Ireland title at the start of 2014 "untested" ;)
I was trying to figure out last night had you a forward that would make our team. Then I was struggling to fit one into our Top 8 forwards. ;)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 02, 2013, 07:47:40 PM
Mayo need to start this final well. If we can start off well, anything can happen. If we don't then it's curtains I'm afraid.
From the moment the whistle was blown in last year's AIF Mayo have been working to get back .
I am sure they are going to be ready for the first 20 minutes.
http://archive.is/R7NUs
"It's the first thing we did," says Horan, "when we sat down in that dressing room, we went through what we could improve on, what worked today and what didn't work. And that's been our approach all year, and is still the same.
"Yeah, our disappointment is greater, but we'll learn from today. The team showed though, as they have all year, the character they have. They kept plugging away to the final whistle. We just couldn't get there, but we kept trying. But we'll have to take it on the chin, learn from it, and away they'll go. They'll come back better players, and better people."
The positive mindset brought Mayo to Croke Park on All-Ireland final day and Horan believes it will bring them back.
INDIANA you seem way overconfident in this game, cant see how you are so sure you are going to beat Mayo, if i was a Dublin supporter i be confident but would worry about Dublin hype getting to the team (and that comes from supporters and the papers)and becoming overconfident against a Mayo team thats has a very good chance to turn you over and it wouldn't be seen as a suprise
I'd say they've ( Dublin ) the 2014 AI won already never mind the 2013.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 02, 2013, 09:12:26 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 02, 2013, 08:58:40 PM
We Indiana are not half as afraid of that Dublin team as you would like to think. That Dublin defence is there to be torn apart. We wll beat you in the centre too. I fear we will be trying to retain our All-Ireland title at the start of 2014 "untested" ;)
I was trying to figure out last night had you a forward that would make our team. Then I was struggling to fit one into our Top 8 forwards. ;)
Aw well. I've a season ticket up for grabs...
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 02, 2013, 09:18:51 PM
INDIANA you seem way overconfident in this game, cant see how you are so sure you are going to beat Mayo, if i was a Dublin supporter i be confident but would worry about Dublin hype getting to the team (and that comes from supporters and the papers)and becoming overconfident against a Mayo team thats has a very good chance to turn you over and it wouldn't be seen as a suprise
Can't blame him, Dublin have beaten two All Ireland contenders by five,seven points in their last two games. The Dublin supporters will see the hard work done and now face a side that have habit of losing All Ireland finals and side they seek revenge against for last years defeat.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 02, 2013, 08:22:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2013, 07:05:48 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 07:01:22 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 02, 2013, 06:15:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 06:13:03 PM
Apart from Dublin supporters nobody wants to see Mayo lose their seventh All Ireland final in row however the Dublin bench will win this All Ireland. If O'Connor is fit i expect Mayo to match Kerrys scoring from yesterday if not would have to fear the worst for them.
The Dublin bench is impressive, but no more so than Mayo's. I fancy Mayo to edge thus by 2-3.
The Dublin bench scored 2-2 to win that game would the Mayo bench manage that against Kerry? i think not.
How much would you bet on O'Gara scoring a goal off the bench again?
You haven't a forward to match Rock or Maxi on the bench.
Your first 15 may well be better then ours but you're Top 20 isn't.
You'll need to be ahead after 55mins. Thats why Kerry lost. Had they held their advantage from early in the second half and had a few subs they surely would have won.
I never said we have.
We have a better midfielder and better defenders on the bench, so much so that we tend to bring them on up front - e.g. Richie Feeney in last year's Final.
O'Connor may yet be on the bench too, but who knows in what condition.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 02, 2013, 07:47:40 PM
Mayo need to start this final well. If we can start off well, anything can happen. If we don't then it's curtains I'm afraid.
Farr were you our psychologist for the last half dozen finals? ;D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 02, 2013, 09:21:12 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 02, 2013, 09:12:26 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 02, 2013, 08:58:40 PM
We Indiana are not half as afraid of that Dublin team as you would like to think. That Dublin defence is there to be torn apart. We wll beat you in the centre too. I fear we will be trying to retain our All-Ireland title at the start of 2014 "untested" ;)
I was trying to figure out last night had you a forward that would make our team. Then I was struggling to fit one into our Top 8 forwards. ;)
Aw well. I've a season ticket up for grabs...
Good job we have 6 backs + who will outscore your forwards.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 09:24:05 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 02, 2013, 09:18:51 PM
INDIANA you seem way overconfident in this game, cant see how you are so sure you are going to beat Mayo, if i was a Dublin supporter i be confident but would worry about Dublin hype getting to the team (and that comes from supporters and the papers)and becoming overconfident against a Mayo team thats has a very good chance to turn you over and it wouldn't be seen as a suprise
Can't blame him, Dublin have beaten two All Ireland contenders by five,seven points in their last two games. The Dublin supporters will see the hard work done and now face a side that have habit of losing All Ireland finals and side they seek revenge against for last years defeat.
Kerry were not contenders. Cork are a good bit off the pace as well.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 09:24:05 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 02, 2013, 09:18:51 PM
INDIANA you seem way overconfident in this game, cant see how you are so sure you are going to beat Mayo, if i was a Dublin supporter i be confident but would worry about Dublin hype getting to the team (and that comes from supporters and the papers)and becoming overconfident against a Mayo team thats has a very good chance to turn you over and it wouldn't be seen as a suprise
Can't blame him, Dublin have beaten two All Ireland contenders by five,seven points in their last two games. The Dublin supporters will see the hard work done and now face a side that have habit of losing All Ireland finals and side they seek revenge against for last years defeat.
Donegal, Tyrone.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 02, 2013, 08:22:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2013, 07:05:48 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 07:01:22 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 02, 2013, 06:15:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 06:13:03 PM
Apart from Dublin supporters nobody wants to see Mayo lose their seventh All Ireland final in row however the Dublin bench will win this All Ireland. If O'Connor is fit i expect Mayo to match Kerrys scoring from yesterday if not would have to fear the worst for them.
The Dublin bench is impressive, but no more so than Mayo's. I fancy Mayo to edge thus by 2-3.
The Dublin bench scored 2-2 to win that game would the Mayo bench manage that against Kerry? i think not.
How much would you bet on O'Gara scoring a goal off the bench again?
You haven't a forward to match Rock or Maxi on the bench.
Your first 15 may well be better then ours but you're Top 20 isn't.
You'll need to be ahead after 55mins. Thats why Kerry lost. Had they held their advantage from early in the second half and had a few subs they surely would have won.
Don't under estimate our energy levels. Kerry yesterday had alot of players with Millage and years. Kerry were neck and neck with two minutes to go. So I don't see where we need to be ahead with 55 minutes on the clock.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 02, 2013, 07:41:06 AM
Quote from: Bod Mor on September 02, 2013, 12:14:38 AM
Obviously Dublin are raging hot favourites for the final. Was afraid this would happen.
- They've hammered us twice already this year so they have our number.
- We don't have the strength in depth they have. Certainly don't have a bench that will contribute 1-4/1-5.
- Home team advantage and we will be intimidated by the hill. No doubting that.
- AOS will be targetted and will see red as he is very cynical.
- Assuming O'Connor is out (almost a certainty), we don't have a dead ball kicker of the quality Dublin have. Cluxton kicks them over at will anywhere within 50 yards.
- Ref will be watching the dirty shoulder charging tactics as shown by Cunnfife against Tyrone.
- They are reigning league champions.
Should be a great final for the neutral though ;)
Dublin's biggest problem will be yesterday wasn't a final. I think Dublin will find it very difficult to lift their game again in 3 weeks. As a result Mayo would be marginal favourites.
I've said it all year I just feel Mayo's name is on this one. They lack one or two outstanding footballers but they have the better balanced team. We can't keep relying on our bench to score 1-5.
The thing about the next day is Mayo's conditioning is every bit as good as Dublin's and the fresh legs won't have the advantage they had yesterday.
It was Kerry's younger lads who wilted yesterday because they haven't the years of physical conditioning behind them that's needed at this level. Lads like Tomas O Se were still going strong in the 65th minute. Mayo won't wilt.
Off-point a little I know but as Indiana mentioned him - isn't Tomás Ó Sé some horse of a man? 35 years old, high mileage on the clock and not a backward step on him. What a player.
Ok, carry on. Up Mayo.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 02, 2013, 09:48:01 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 02, 2013, 07:41:06 AM
Quote from: Bod Mor on September 02, 2013, 12:14:38 AM
Obviously Dublin are raging hot favourites for the final. Was afraid this would happen.
- They've hammered us twice already this year so they have our number.
- We don't have the strength in depth they have. Certainly don't have a bench that will contribute 1-4/1-5.
- Home team advantage and we will be intimidated by the hill. No doubting that.
- AOS will be targetted and will see red as he is very cynical.
- Assuming O'Connor is out (almost a certainty), we don't have a dead ball kicker of the quality Dublin have. Cluxton kicks them over at will anywhere within 50 yards.
- Ref will be watching the dirty shoulder charging tactics as shown by Cunnfife against Tyrone.
- They are reigning league champions.
Should be a great final for the neutral though ;)
Dublin's biggest problem will be yesterday wasn't a final. I think Dublin will find it very difficult to lift their game again in 3 weeks. As a result Mayo would be marginal favourites.
I've said it all year I just feel Mayo's name is on this one. They lack one or two outstanding footballers but they have the better balanced team. We can't keep relying on our bench to score 1-5.
The thing about the next day is Mayo's conditioning is every bit as good as Dublin's and the fresh legs won't have the advantage they had yesterday.
It was Kerry's younger lads who wilted yesterday because they haven't the years of physical conditioning behind them that's needed at this level. Lads like Tomas O Se were still going strong in the 65th minute. Mayo won't wilt.
Off-point a little I know but as Indiana mentioned him - isn't Tomás Ó Sé some horse of a man? 35 years old, high mileage on the clock and not a backward step on him. What a player.
Ok, carry on. Up Mayo.
It was a bit of a last sting of a dying wasp sort of thing, he has been pretty poor all year and looked gassed by half-time at times this year.
Incredible performance all the same, one that'll warm many's a winter's night alongside all the legends of other Kerry greats.
Will Mayo annihilate the Dublin buckos early doors and then commence operation pull your man off...........................or down ????
Quote from: seafoid on September 02, 2013, 09:35:29 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 09:24:05 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 02, 2013, 09:18:51 PM
INDIANA you seem way overconfident in this game, cant see how you are so sure you are going to beat Mayo, if i was a Dublin supporter i be confident but would worry about Dublin hype getting to the team (and that comes from supporters and the papers)and becoming overconfident against a Mayo team thats has a very good chance to turn you over and it wouldn't be seen as a suprise
Can't blame him, Dublin have beaten two All Ireland contenders by five,seven points in their last two games. The Dublin supporters will see the hard work done and now face a side that have habit of losing All Ireland finals and side they seek revenge against for last years defeat.
Kerry were not contenders. Cork are a good bit off the pace as well.
I suppose if Kerry hung on to their 67 minute lead they wouldn't be contenders in the final either? Kerry,Cork were both beaten by the All Ireland champions last year and the same could happen this year.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 02, 2013, 09:18:51 PM
INDIANA you seem way overconfident in this game, cant see how you are so sure you are going to beat Mayo, if i was a Dublin supporter i be confident but would worry about Dublin hype getting to the team (and that comes from supporters and the papers)and becoming overconfident against a Mayo team thats has a very good chance to turn you over and it wouldn't be seen as a suprise
Give it a fecking rest will you I was only jesting.
I said earlier in the year Mayo would win the All-Ireland and I haven't seen anything yet to change my mind.
We're in bonus territory with such a young outfit.
Here's my take on the final.
Dublin will be too arrogant to do what Tyrone did, which was put a plan in place to stop Mayo's counter attacking style.
So Mayo will start strong. And will take everyone, especially RTE's fuckwit commentators, by surprise in how clinical they are. It won't dawn on them that forwards who are used to having no room in training behave likes dogs with two dicks in open play. 8 points up at the half.
Dublin will have 3 subs in by halftime, Brogan will be gone by the 50th minute, having touched the ball twice in open play. The third quarter revival will take it back to 5, before Mayo simply pick holes at will on the break, and end up 13 point winners, while the Dubs do why city folks do best and blame each other.
Man of the match will go to O'Shea or Moran, when it should have went to Dillon or McLaughlin. Pat Spillane will be horrified but he won't know why.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 02, 2013, 10:04:43 PM
Here's my take on the final.
Dublin will be too arrogant to do what Tyrone did, which was put a plan in place to stop Mayo's counter attacking style.
So Mayo will start strong. And will take everyone, especially RTE's fuckwit commentators, by surprise in how clinical they are. It won't dawn on them that forwards who are used to having no room in training behave likes dogs with two dicks in open play. 8 points up at the half.
Dublin will have 3 subs in by halftime, Brogan will be gone by the 50th minute, having touched the ball twice in open play. The third quarter revival will take it back to 5, before Mayo simply pick holes at will on the break, and end up 13 point winners, while the Dubs do why city folks do best and blame each other.
Man of the match will go to O'Shea or Moran, when it should have went to Dillon or McLaughlin. Pat Spillane will be horrified but he won't know why.
If there was a "like" button, I'd be liking this ;D
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 02, 2013, 09:57:17 PM
Will Mayo annihilate the Dublin buckos early doors and then commence operation pull your man off...........................or down ????
Squire, the team that wins will be the one with the most points on the scoreboard. How you get there, well thats what happens on match day.
Unfortunately, protecting your lead has become a facet of the modern game, and its something I would expect both teams to do.
Previous Mayo teams wouldnt have engaged in that type of carry on....thats why we havent won anything in 62 years.
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b]It was a bit of a last sting of a dying wasp sort of thing, he has been pretty poor all year and looked gassed by half-time at times this year.[/b]Incredible performance all the same, one that'll warm many's a winter's night alongside all the legends of other Kerry greats.
You weren't in the Lr.Hogan then yesterday. Tomás trudged ashore in advance of all others, beaten but un-bowed.
He took a long, lingering look at the entire Hogan, wiped his face with the geansái, hugged it briefly and then jogged 10 yds. to pick up what I took to be his own young lad, had a brief 1to1, hugged him, threw him on his shoulder and trotted off down the tunnel. There's more to life than fooking football, even in West Kerry. I nearly cried myself, such was the moment.
Tomás O'Sé owes nobody.
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2013, 02:06:01 PM
I think Andy's the man for 11 if his leg improves slightly. Somewhere where he can pick up ball where burst speed isn't a major impediment and it's more about positioning and delivery rather than finishing. He may not be Gooch but there's few players in the game with better vision for a pass.
Ye're a gas man. Fuxake Syf, he's a gone goose as you know.
Quote from: Don Corleone on September 02, 2013, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2013, 02:06:01 PM
I think Andy's the man for 11 if his leg improves slightly. Somewhere where he can pick up ball where burst speed isn't a major impediment and it's more about positioning and delivery rather than finishing. He may not be Gooch but there's few players in the game with better vision for a pass.
Ye're a gas man. Fuxake Syf, he's a gone goose as you know.
Hiya Don.
As you know from running your large and thriving crime empire, sometimes unexpected things happen.
COC being injured is just such one of those things. Whatever about dropping Andy for Conroy were COC there now there is an open space for Andy, Varley and Doherty to fight over. I'd expect even an 80% fit Andy would be the best option of the three for an AI final. On top of his vision he remains the leader of the Mayo team and that will play in his favour too.
Yours in spirit,
Syf
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 02, 2013, 06:15:22 PM
The Dublin bench is impressive, but no more so than Mayo's. I fancy Mayo to edge thus by 2-3.
Consider the fact that Dublin's bench would start in any other county and have contributed massively to the Sam in 2011.
Their bench pulled them through yasterday against formidable foes. Mayo's bench are even weaker than Kerry's.
Goosed IMO.
Quote from: Don Corleone on September 02, 2013, 11:01:49 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 02, 2013, 06:15:22 PM
The Dublin bench is impressive, but no more so than Mayo's. I fancy Mayo to edge thus by 2-3.
Consider the fact that Dublin's bench would start in any other county and have contributed massively to the Sam in 2011.
Their bench pulled them through yasterday against formidable foes. Mayo's bench are even weaker than Kerry's.
Goosed IMO.
Who will be on Mayo bench and are they really weaker than Kerry , I think Barry Moran would actually start for Kerry never mind the bench for a start.
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2013, 10:55:09 PM
COC being injured is just such one of those things. Whatever about dropping Andy for Conroy were COC there now there is an open space for Andy, Varley and Doherty to fight over. I'd expect even an 80% fit Andy would be the best option of the three for an AI final. On top of his vision he remains the leader of the Mayo team and that will play in his favour too.
Yours in spirit,
Syf
I've had my people run some analysis Syf. The portents for the Rhubarbs aren't good to be fair. Them Kerry hoors came with what I'd call 3 marquee forwards, the 2 Sullivans and the Gooch. Cooper destroyed Dublin for 35 minutes in a manner that Mayo cannot. Kerry's midfield, while workmanlike for 25/30 mins faded. Bastick supplied power and McAuley rampaged forward. Will the O'Shea's provide the running power..Doubtful. The Dublin half-back line were destroyed early doors by crafty Kerry foot-passing, the guile of Cooper and flitting cameos of Galvin. Mayo don't possess a Cooper. Worse again: Should Moran start as captain @ 13....
No man has captained a winning team from 13 in football....There's always a 1st. of course.
Yours in useless trivia,
Don Corleone.
A lot will be learned from the two semi finals. But i think Mayo will have learned a lot more from their game against Tyrone. When you have to grind out a result against a team like Tyrone where space is at a premium, You learn a lot about yourself. The discipline on both sides was more apparent than yesterdays free flowing football. There was no way 6 goals were going to be scored in that semi (Mayo/Tyrone) and even the one that was scored was from the dead ball.
The Dublin ethos this year is free flowing football. Where it is a shootout every time. Kerry obliged them yesterday and it worked out. But this Mayo team don't do free flowing, when it comes to the opposition. They just don't. They are a better unit to last year. Conditioning has kicked in and all are up to speed. Our Half back Line, Midfield and half forward line are scary and we have the bench to back it up in this sector. Dublin have been talking about their forwards but it is in these Eight we will control the game. And control is the name of the game.
Quote from: Don Corleone on September 02, 2013, 11:29:57 PM
Should Moran start as captain @ 13....No man has captained a winning team from 13 in football....There's always a 1st. of course.
Yours in useless trivia,
Don Corleone.
That's already been sorted he has wore 15 the last couple of matches
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2013, 11:05:22 PM
Who will be on Mayo bench and are they really weaker than Kerry , I think Barry Moran would actually start for Kerry never mind the bench for a start.
He can't get a start for Mayo, ne're mind Dublin. The Mayo bench will likely consist of the usual "nearly men"...Doherty, Varley Moran and Conroy, although were I a Mayo follower I'd start Conroy before Andy Moran.
Kerry had Sheehan, David Moran, Donaghy, O'Mahoney and Brosnan on the bench yesterday. 4 of them saw game time and were useless, Donaghy in particular. Benches are great when you have competition for places, otherwise there places for subs to sit on their arses. The Dublin subs defined the difference between a panel and arse-warmers. Mayo in trouble there....
Quote from: Don Corleone on September 02, 2013, 11:29:57 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2013, 10:55:09 PM
COC being injured is just such one of those things. Whatever about dropping Andy for Conroy were COC there now there is an open space for Andy, Varley and Doherty to fight over. I'd expect even an 80% fit Andy would be the best option of the three for an AI final. On top of his vision he remains the leader of the Mayo team and that will play in his favour too.
Yours in spirit,
Syf
I've had my people run some analysis Syf. The portents for the Rhubarbs aren't good to be fair. Them Kerry hoors came with what I'd call 3 marquee forwards, the 2 Sullivans and the Gooch. Cooper destroyed Dublin for 35 minutes in a manner that Mayo cannot. Kerry's midfield, while workmanlike for 25/30 mins faded. Bastick supplied power and McAuley rampaged forward. Will the O'Shea's provide the running power..Doubtful. The Dublin half-back line were destroyed early doors by crafty Kerry foot-passing, the guile of Cooper and flitting cameos of Galvin. Mayo don't possess a Cooper. Worse again: Should Moran start as captain @ 13....No man has captained a winning team from 13 in football....There's always a 1st. of course.
Yours in useless trivia,
Don Corleone.
What type of forward would you call James o Donoghue?
Tbh I thought Declan was fairly average yesterday and arguably lost the game for them again v the Dubs.
People that keep mentioning this marquee forwards and that Mayo don't have any, have ye bothered to even watch Mayo and realise how the whole idea of Horans gameplan compensates for this.
Anyone that thinks Mayo are simply going to roll over 04/06 style are in for a right shock.
Just seen your comment re Barry Moran, what are you on about ? He s on the bench for Mayo, you made the point of the Kerry bench being stronger and I disagree starting with my opinion he would be good enough to start for Kerry.
Donaghy, wouldn't start for Mayo minors never mind seniors a total failure yesterday when coming on .
Sheehan has no fitness this year, another hasbeen.
I totally disagree with you about Kerry bench been better than Mayo.
Doc,Varley and Barry Moran all started last years final.
Mayo s bench best about but maybe not getting the best out of them. FFS, we re on our third keeper because of injury and he s probably shortlisted for an All-Star at this stage :) Gibbons, Barry Moran and Geraghty can play midfield. Both Dublin and Mayo have 1 quality impact forward each - Conroy and McMenaman. One is a bit of a classic, the other is direct, powerful and scares the shit out of ye.
Not getting an excuse in in advance but it is possibly a year too early (again!) for us. Has n t worked out for us with Andy and Cillian s injuries. I still think we have a chance of winning this gig if we set it up right on the day.
Quote from: Don Corleone on September 02, 2013, 11:29:57 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2013, 10:55:09 PM
COC being injured is just such one of those things. Whatever about dropping Andy for Conroy were COC there now there is an open space for Andy, Varley and Doherty to fight over. I'd expect even an 80% fit Andy would be the best option of the three for an AI final. On top of his vision he remains the leader of the Mayo team and that will play in his favour too.
Yours in spirit,
Syf
I've had my people run some analysis Syf. The portents for the Rhubarbs aren't good to be fair. Them Kerry hoors came with what I'd call 3 marquee forwards, the 2 Sullivans and the Gooch. Cooper destroyed Dublin for 35 minutes in a manner that Mayo cannot. Kerry's midfield, while workmanlike for 25/30 mins faded. Bastick supplied power and McAuley rampaged forward. Will the O'Shea's provide the running power..Doubtful. The Dublin half-back line were destroyed early doors by crafty Kerry foot-passing, the guile of Cooper and flitting cameos of Galvin. Mayo don't possess a Cooper. Worse again: Should Moran start as captain @ 13....No man has captained a winning team from 13 in football....There's always a 1st. of course.
Yours in useless trivia,
Don Corleone.
Don , Andy if he starts will wear 15 ( he only wore 13 in the Connacht final) as he has done in the last two games with Conroy/Doherty/Varley vying for the 13 shirt that O' Connor has filled so well over the last 1 and a bit games (he wore 11 against Galway and is where his future lies for Mayo imho.)
Only a slight over site on your part but in your line of business this could be the difference between life or death! ;D
I'm new here and only learning the quote/ropes so forgive me for being slow.
To address the bench issue I'd look at one thing: Will Mayo expend men to save/win or will Dublin go win/annilhate.
Dublin's bench are trusted tight game warriors (McManamon, Bastick, Rock, Cullen and McMahon amongst others). Mayo's bench looks, as per previous comments bereft, of any known battler/game-changer, bar Barry Moran (dubious at best).
Please explain...
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2013, 11:50:34 PM
Quote from: Don Corleone on September 02, 2013, 11:29:57 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2013, 10:55:09 PM
COC being injured is just such one of those things. Whatever about dropping Andy for Conroy were COC there now there is an open space for Andy, Varley and Doherty to fight over. I'd expect even an 80% fit Andy would be the best option of the three for an AI final. On top of his vision he remains the leader of the Mayo team and that will play in his favour too.
Yours in spirit,
Syf
I've had my people run some analysis Syf. The portents for the Rhubarbs aren't good to be fair. Them Kerry hoors came with what I'd call 3 marquee forwards, the 2 Sullivans and the Gooch. Cooper destroyed Dublin for 35 minutes in a manner that Mayo cannot. Kerry's midfield, while workmanlike for 25/30 mins faded. Bastick supplied power and McAuley rampaged forward. Will the O'Shea's provide the running power..Doubtful. The Dublin half-back line were destroyed early doors by crafty Kerry foot-passing, the guile of Cooper and flitting cameos of Galvin. Mayo don't possess a Cooper. Worse again: Should Moran start as captain @ 13....No man has captained a winning team from 13 in football....There's always a 1st. of course.
Yours in useless trivia,
Don Corleone.
What type of forward would you call James o Donoghue?
Tbh I thought Declan was fairly average yesterday and arguably lost the game for them again v the Dubs.
People that keep mentioning this marquee forwards and that Mayo don't have any, have ye bothered to even watch Mayo and realise how the whole idea of Horans gameplan compensates for this.
Anyone that thinks Mayo are simply going to roll over 04/06 style are in for a right shock.
Just seen your comment re Barry Moran, what are you on about ? He s on the bench for Mayo, you made the point of the Kerry bench being stronger and I disagree starting with my opinion he would be good enough to start for Kerry.
Donaghy, wouldn't start for Mayo minors never mind seniors a total failure yesterday when coming on .
Sheehan has no fitness this year, another hasbeen.
I totally disagree with you about Kerry bench been better than Mayo.
Doc,Varley and Barry Moran all started last years final.
B Moran, Doherty, Varley, Conroy all started in the team that beat Dublin last year! Most be poor players then!
There will be no annihilation from either team. Unless ye decide to give us 3 goals in the first 20 minutes!
Quote from: Don Corleone on September 02, 2013, 11:58:08 PM
I'm new here and only learning the quote/ropes so forgive me for being slow.
To address the bench issue I'd look at one thing: Will Mayo expend men to save/win or will Dublin go win/annilhate.
Dublin's bench are trusted tight game warriors (McManamon, Bastick, Rock, Cullen and McMahon amongst others). Mayo's bench looks, as per previous comments bereft, of any known battler/game-changer, bar Barry Moran (dubious at best).
Please explain...
I'll give you the other 4 but Bastick? The guy has under performed far more times for Dublin in the past than he has ever delivered. Aiden O'Shea made him look very ordinary in last year's semi final and O'Shea is fitter now than he was last year. Moran was nominated for an All Star last year so obviously he was rated in some quarters.
A lot will depend upon the team selections and starting formats. Mayo, given their historical failure ratio, will need to start aggressivley, push forward, swamp midfield and press Dublin high up the pitch. Kerry did this to perfection, albeit with an orchestrator yesterday.
Were I James Horan, I'd start Alan Dillon on the 40', with Higgens nominally selected at 12. These are the most suseptical set of backs Dublin have ever have fulminated, not a back among them, all half-forwards.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2013, 11:37:31 PM
The Dublin ethos this year is free flowing football. Where it is a shootout every time. Kerry obliged them yesterday and it worked out. But this Mayo team don't do free flowing, when it comes to the opposition. They just don't.
Dublin won two free flowing games against Mayo in the league this year should those games be totally ignored now?
Quote from: Don Corleone on September 02, 2013, 11:58:08 PM
I'm new here and only learning the quote/ropes so forgive me for being slow.
To address the bench issue I'd look at one thing: Will Mayo expend men to save/win or will Dublin go win/annilhate.
Dublin's bench are trusted tight game warriors (McManamon, Bastick, Rock, Cullen and McMahon amongst others). Mayo's bench looks, as per previous comments bereft, of any known battler/game-changer, bar Barry Moran (dubious at best).
Please explain...
I ll try to explain by saying that the only one you listed that I would grab at is the lad in bold. My jury is out on Rock. Y Know sometimes how these players are played reveales a lot about what their own thinks of them. I can t understand the McMenamon thing but other lads you have mentioned I have my doubts. These guys are not starting for a reason - somebody' s reason.
Dean Rock is not fast and is predictable. Grand when opposition are out on their feet but do the homework on him. A fresh defender yesterday could have prevented his over the shoulder points. Rock is a fine player but should not be killing anybody at this level. St Brigids managed him ffs ;D
Players in Kerry like Donaghy and Sheehan made it look like Kerry had a good bench. They hadn t. They were gone as players.
I could go on more but I m bored and these guys are doing this because they love it and don t need likes of me to delve into what they are doing.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 03, 2013, 12:21:51 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2013, 11:37:31 PM
The Dublin ethos this year is free flowing football. Where it is a shootout every time. Kerry obliged them yesterday and it worked out. But this Mayo team don't do free flowing, when it comes to the opposition. They just don't.
Dublin won two free flowing games against Mayo in the league this year should those games be totally ignored now?
In a word 'YES'! You are not going back to the League. Feck have ye not learned anything?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 03, 2013, 12:21:51 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2013, 11:37:31 PM
The Dublin ethos this year is free flowing football. Where it is a shootout every time. Kerry obliged them yesterday and it worked out. But this Mayo team don't do free flowing, when it comes to the opposition. They just don't.
Dublin won two free flowing games against Mayo in the league this year should those games be totally ignored now?
No,I wouldn't ignore it, Dublin have not improved greatly since the league,Mayo have.
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2013, 12:28:20 AM
Quote from: Don Corleone on September 02, 2013, 11:58:08 PM
I'm new here and only learning the quote/ropes so forgive me for being slow.
To address the bench issue I'd look at one thing: Will Mayo expend men to save/win or will Dublin go win/annilhate.
Dublin's bench are trusted tight game warriors (McManamon, Bastick, Rock, Cullen and McMahon amongst others). Mayo's bench looks, as per previous comments bereft, of any known battler/game-changer, bar Barry Moran (dubious at best).
Please explain...
I ll try to explain by saying that the only one you listed that I would grab at is the lad in bold. My jury is out on Rock. Y Know sometimes how these players are played reveales a lot about what their own thinks of them. I can t understand the McMenamon thing but other lads you have mentioned I have my doubts. These guys are not starting for a reason - somebody' s reason.
Dean Rock is not fast and is predictable. Grand when opposition are out on their feet but do the homework on him. A fresh defender yesterday could have prevented his over the shoulder points. Rock is a fine player but should not be killing anybody at this level. St Brigids managed him ffs ;D
Players in Kerry like Donaghy and Sheehan made it look like Kerry had a good bench. They hadn t. They were gone as players.
I could go on more but I m bored and these guys are doing this because they love it and don t need likes of me to delve into what they are doing.
Rock is a better FF/CF than all but COC in Mayo. Incredible that he doesn't start.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 03, 2013, 12:33:29 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 03, 2013, 12:21:51 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2013, 11:37:31 PM
The Dublin ethos this year is free flowing football. Where it is a shootout every time. Kerry obliged them yesterday and it worked out. But this Mayo team don't do free flowing, when it comes to the opposition. They just don't.
Dublin won two free flowing games against Mayo in the league this year should those games be totally ignored now?
No,I wouldn't ignore it, Dublin have not improved greatly since the league,Mayo have.
Also have a look at the Mayo starting line up!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 03, 2013, 12:21:51 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2013, 11:37:31 PM
The Dublin ethos this year is free flowing football. Where it is a shootout every time. Kerry obliged them yesterday and it worked out. But this Mayo team don't do free flowing, when it comes to the opposition. They just don't.
Dublin won two free flowing games against Mayo in the league this year should those games be totally ignored now?
The first one no, league semi yes. The last 20 mins of the semi was the deadest game of football I've ever been at. No atmosphere, no edge. Mayo played as if they couldn't be bothered and Dublin went through the motions. The first one was a far better affair. Both teams were evenly matched in terms of possession and periods of dominance, Dublin made it count more and coped well with going a man down. From a Mayo supporter's point of view, what frustrated me that Saturday evening was the decision making on the pitch by some players. A fair amount of ball given away under little or no pressure by either aimless ball being hoofed down the pitch from around our 40', or by playing high risk 50/50 passes when easier options where possession would've been retained were on. I think Dublin got 4-5 scores from turnovers like that. While those issues seemed to had disappeared since, they resurfaced in the Tyrone game, Cafferkey, AOS and McLoughlin being the biggest offenders. However it's hard to deny, and I'm basing this on this years championship performances, that once Mayo get their game going and build momentum they are difficult to stop. Dublin are the same, hard to stop once they get motoring. I think this final is going to be far more balanced than some people believe.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 03, 2013, 12:31:11 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 03, 2013, 12:21:51 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2013, 11:37:31 PM
The Dublin ethos this year is free flowing football. Where it is a shootout every time. Kerry obliged them yesterday and it worked out. But this Mayo team don't do free flowing, when it comes to the opposition. They just don't.
Dublin won two free flowing games against Mayo in the league this year should those games be totally ignored now?
In a word 'YES'! You are not going back to the League. Feck have ye not learned anything?
Have to go back to the league sure the semi final against Tyrone is the only championship game that Mayo learnt anything about themselves.
Cillian back in contention. Back training again. Big boost.
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 03, 2013, 12:45:39 AM
Cillian back in contention. Back training again. Big boost.
Rumbling on twitter alright, to be revealed in tomorrow's examiner......
Quote from: moysider on September 02, 2013, 11:57:06 PM
1 quality impact forward each - Conroy and McMenaman. One is a bit of a classic, the other is direct, powerful and scares the shit out of ye.
Conroy is better to be starting while kevin McManamon is quality impact forward. TBH while Conroy is decent footballer that offers plenty to Mayos forward line i wouldn't have in either of those brackets.
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2013, 12:28:20 AM
Rock is a fine player but should not be killing anybody at this level. St Brigids managed him ffs ;D
He got in for easy enough goal i do wonder which of the Mayo club forwards would fare better v St Brigids? maybe McDonald sure isn't he still one of your best club forwards.
Quote from: bucko on September 03, 2013, 12:53:57 AM
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 03, 2013, 12:45:39 AM
Cillian back in contention. Back training again. Big boost.
Rumbling on twitter alright, to be revealed in tomorrow's examiner......
Yeah, heard it earlier on today but didn't want to go saying anything unless the media caught wind of it. The less the dubs know the better.
Horan also has an interview with the Mayo News about Cillian. However, knowing Horan very little will be revealed.
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 03, 2013, 12:45:39 AM
Cillian back in contention. Back training again. Big boost.
Front page of mayo news sport section tomorrow ," Cillian not ruled out yet"
But sure that's always been the case ,it's the friggin Internet that causes confussion on these type of stories, rumours started and then it's taken as if its the truth.
McDonald doesn't play club football anymore.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 03, 2013, 01:04:50 AM
McDonald doesn't play club football anymore.
:o
The Mac has retired?
Quote from: larryin89 on September 03, 2013, 01:04:50 AM
McDonald doesn't play club football anymore.
Retired, but boy can he still kick a ball. As proven in the legends match on Saturday. Pure Magic in the half back line!
Quote from: larryin89 on September 03, 2013, 01:04:50 AM
McDonald doesn't play club football anymore.
Thats a shame & to think only last November he was named as one of your best club forwards.
That point he got in 06, Also the goal to draw the County Final against Ballagh'.............unreal.
Back to 06, we beat the Dubs that day, flying high, game of the decade and so on..........we don't need reminding what happened in that final.........the tables are indeed turned for 2013..........as you can see i am grasping at any straws here........... ;D
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2013, 12:33:54 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2013, 12:28:20 AM
Quote from: Don Corleone on September 02, 2013, 11:58:08 PM
I'm new here and only learning the quote/ropes so forgive me for being slow.
To address the bench issue I'd look at one thing: Will Mayo expend men to save/win or will Dublin go win/annilhate.
Dublin's bench are trusted tight game warriors (McManamon, Bastick, Rock, Cullen and McMahon amongst others). Mayo's bench looks, as per previous comments bereft, of any known battler/game-changer, bar Barry Moran (dubious at best).
Please explain...
I ll try to explain by saying that the only one you listed that I would grab at is the lad in bold. My jury is out on Rock. Y Know sometimes how these players are played reveales a lot about what their own thinks of them. I can t understand the McMenamon thing but other lads you have mentioned I have my doubts. These guys are not starting for a reason - somebody' s reason.
Dean Rock is not fast and is predictable. Grand when opposition are out on their feet but do the homework on him. A fresh defender yesterday could have prevented his over the shoulder points. Rock is a fine player but should not be killing anybody at this level. St Brigids managed him ffs ;D
Players in Kerry like Donaghy and Sheehan made it look like Kerry had a good bench. They hadn t. They were gone as players.
I could go on more but I m bored and these guys are doing this because they love it and don t need likes of me to delve into what they are doing.
Rock is a better FF/CF than all but COC in Mayo. Incredible that he doesn't start.
Must be just a personal thing with me so.
Good news for both O'Carroll (very lucky boy) and Cillian.
Sportsfile's Paul Mohan captured an off-the-ball incident involving the pair and Jonny Cooper during the second half of the All-Ireland semi-final.
The index finger of O'Carroll's left hand appears to be touching the Kerry forward's left eye. However, the GAA can only deal with retrospective cases providing they have video evidence. The Kerry County Board are unlikely to follow up the matter.
Rule 7.3 (aa) states such evidence is admissible as long as it is "reliable and unedited".
A snapshot of the altercation is not sufficient enough proof to base any case against O'Carroll.
A similar incident but with video evidence occurred in the Mayo-Donegal Division 1 game in Castlebar in March involving Anthony Thompson and Kevin McLoughlin. However, no action was taken by the Central Competitions Controls Committee (CCCC). Speaking on this issue before, GAA head of media relations Alan Milton said: "A photograph is an instant moment and there is the possibility it could be misrepresentative of what exactly happened. I've never known it to be used as primary evidence. Maybe it could be to support video evidence but certainly not on its own."
Diarmuid Connolly was sent off for a straight red card offence by Maurice Deegan in the 2011 All-Ireland semi-final against Donegal, a dismissal which threatened to rule him out of the final. However, Dublin successfully contested the decision and he was made available.
Meanwhile, Cillian O'Connor's chances of being fit for the All-Ireland final have increased with the star attacker returning to non-contact training. The two-time Young Footballer of the Year has beenpractising frees in recent days and his shoulder injury, which forced him to retire early in the All-Ireland semi-final win over Tyrone, isn't as serious as was first feared. The likelihood is the Ballintubber man will require surgery over the coming months but with 19 days to go to the decider he is preparing to fight to keep his starting place.
Quote from: Don Corleone on September 02, 2013, 11:40:18 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2013, 11:05:22 PM
Who will be on Mayo bench and are they really weaker than Kerry , I think Barry Moran would actually start for Kerry never mind the bench for a start.
He can't get a start for Mayo, ne're mind Dublin. The Mayo bench will likely consist of the usual "nearly men"...Doherty, Varley Moran and Conroy, although were I a Mayo follower I'd start Conroy before Andy Moran.
Kerry had Sheehan, David Moran, Donaghy, O'Mahoney and Brosnan on the bench yesterday. 4 of them saw game time and were useless, Donaghy in particular. Benches are great when you have competition for places, otherwise there places for subs to sit on their arses. The Dublin subs defined the difference between a panel and arse-warmers. Mayo in trouble there....
Maybe, Don; maybe not.
Mayo have just about the meanest defence in the country with backs spilling forward to become attackers when Mayo have possession. I know it's common enough to see halfbacks sallying upfield and clipping a long range point or two but no other team uses overlapping backs to the same extent as Mayo.
In their games to date, all Mayo backs with the exception of Cafferky, have scored from play. Incredible levels of fitness and a game plan that involves everyone on the field sees to that. There's no cult of the individual any more as Conor Mortimer found out to his costs.
This Mayo team as a unit comes to far more than the sum of its parts.
For instance, Mayo scored 20 times against Tyrone and a total of 10 players got on the score sheet. Mayo were 4 points adrift at one stage and still won by 6. That's an impressive performance by any standards.
A dozen players scored in the game against Donegal.
Whatever Horan is doing, marquee forwards or not, seems to be working.
Unless the supply from the O'Sheas is cut off or greatly restricted, I can see Mayo's forwards/backs racking up a winning score. Let's face it, the Dubs' defence isn't rated as highly as the attack.
I'll take my chances with the quality of players on the bench; what we have are well capable of doing what they are asked to do and that's to fit into the overall structure with a minimum of disruption.
For fetching and carrying and generally fighting for dirty ball, you won't get better than Richie Feeney. Barry Moran and Michael Conroy would be an addition to any team if match fit.
All in all, I don't intend to how the white feather now or at any time in the future. I'm happy the way things are.
Unless Dublin change their personnel and tactics for the final, Mayo will win.
Dublin need to put Cullen and Flynn as half forwards with connolly CHF (dropping Kilkenny who imo is not good enough yet for senior level - he will be though next year or thereafter).
Mayo's whole game is dropping back and having their haf back line (and corner backs) bomb forward. Similar enough to Dublin, though its only Flynn that drops back past mf unlike all 3 of mayo's hf line.
Tyrone showed ho to thwart mayo, with Mickey harte withdrawing the wing half forwards and having his own half back line attack from deep.
its no secret that it is very hard to stop a fast man running at you if there is space around.
Mayo reverted back to 90's style of kicking wides when they didnt have space in the first half v tyrone. They did not know what to do. IF Dublin alter their style a bit, they will prob meet with success.
I feel that the desire to keep talking about playing attacking football (despite having sometimes 2 and 3 men in opponents half while defending) will stop Dublin from doing this.
There is a difference in bringing men back and before opponents attack or have the ball- and while opponents attack and have the ball.
Another point I'd make is that mayo seem to take 6 steps when initially getting the ball, sprinting clear and then soloing or hopping the ball. I think refs in general have stopped penalising a lot of such indescretions but mayo certainly play just over the edge here.
likewise a good few of their players are guity of persistent charging and never penalised. refs also dont blow for ths as much and mayo seem to have figured this out - kudos to the mgt team!
imo Mayo will win this one. Ending a long drought.
I see no reason for Dublin to change their style of play and I certainly wouldn't change the forward line unless it's to bring in Rock as a direct replacement
for someone. No reason for either team to set up to counter the other, just go out and play your own game and see who wins. It's worked for both teams so far and I would be shocked if either team changes that approach now.
If anything this game could top the Dublin/Kerry game.
Quote from: seafoid on September 02, 2013, 09:35:29 PM
Kerry were not contenders. Cork are a good bit off the pace as well.
A team that was level with Dublin after 68 minutes and missed a gilt-edged chance to go in front again were not contenders?!
Heard it all now.
Who have Mayo beaten that were contenders?
Last line is classic... :D
http://www.irishtv.ie/joe-brolly-reckons-mayo-will-win/
Classic alright
Quote from: Sidney on September 03, 2013, 01:48:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 02, 2013, 09:35:29 PM
Kerry were not contenders. Cork are a good bit off the pace as well.
A team that was level with Dublin after 68 minutes and missed a gilt-edged chance to go in front again were not contenders?!
Heard it all now.
Who have Mayo beaten that were contenders?
Well Donegal would have been seen before the Mayo game to be as much a contender as Kerry or Cork.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2013, 01:59:43 PM
Last line is classic... :D
http://www.irishtv.ie/joe-brolly-reckons-mayo-will-win/
a. Is Cillian O'Connor the left footed freetaker ? Did he mean left sided ?
b. How long did Joe watch Jack O'Sé for to know that Aidan O'Sé is the best midfielder since Jacko packed it in ?
I honestly believe that Mayo will win this.
Dublin have been good at times this year of course but I think they won't have come up against a side as powerful and relentless as this particular Mayo side.
There is definitely something different about Mayo this year.
Their name is on the trophy this time.
One thing that amazes me is the amount of people who have said to me that Mayo "haven't the forwards" to win it.The implication being that because they lack at least one true marque forward that they won't get over the line.
The whole way that Mayo play and are set up means that they don't need to rely on a marque forward.This is a huge positive in my book.
Look at the scores Mayo have been putting up all year and look at the spread of scores throughout the team. They get scores from players all over the park which is exactly why they don't need to rely on any one free scoring forward.
Their backs and midfielders tend to get a lot of scores.
It's this strength all over the park that makes me believe they'll win it.
Horan has been a seriously impressive operator since taking over
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 03, 2013, 02:17:17 PM
Quote from: Sidney on September 03, 2013, 01:48:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 02, 2013, 09:35:29 PM
Kerry were not contenders. Cork are a good bit off the pace as well.
A team that was level with Dublin after 68 minutes and missed a gilt-edged chance to go in front again were not contenders?!
Heard it all now.
Who have Mayo beaten that were contenders?
Well Donegal would have been seen before the Mayo game to be as much a contender as Kerry or Cork.
On the morning of July 21st, Donegal were favorites for the All Ireland, its not that long ago!
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 03, 2013, 02:17:17 PM
Well Donegal would have been seen before the Mayo game to be as much a contender as Kerry or Cork.
Perception and reality are two different things, though.
The reality is that Donegal were miles off where they were last year and maybe not even in the top 10 teams in Ireland this year.
There's no doubt in my mind that Dublin have beaten two genuine All-Ireland contenders. Mayo have not, although they can only beat who they play, obviously.
Dublin have been tested more and have come through all those tests in a most impressive fashion. What Mayo face in the final will be on a whole different level to anything they've faced so far. Whether they have enough to deal with that, I'm not so sure.
Quote from: Sidney on September 03, 2013, 01:48:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 02, 2013, 09:35:29 PM
Kerry were not contenders. Cork are a good bit off the pace as well.
A team that was level with Dublin after 68 minutes and missed a gilt-edged chance to go in front again were not contenders?!
Heard it all now.
Who have Mayo beaten that were contenders?
Kerry have been off the pace for a few years. Ask MikeSheehy-he might be somewhere discussing the Middle East. They were running on fumes last year as well.
If they kept up with Dublin until the 68th minute Dublin must have a faulty full back line LOL .
Cork feel back a long way from 2010 and Counihan retired because he couldn't do any more with them.
I agree with Galwayman. This year's Mayo are ruthless.
Quote from: orangeman on September 03, 2013, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2013, 01:59:43 PM
Last line is classic... :D
http://www.irishtv.ie/joe-brolly-reckons-mayo-will-win/
a. Is Cillian O'Connor the left footed freetaker ? Did he mean left sided ?
Takes them from the right with the right usually. He'll be taking them with his left next year, has been practising, not up to inter county standard just yet I heard he said.
Quote from: Sidney on September 03, 2013, 02:49:48 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 03, 2013, 02:17:17 PM
Well Donegal would have been seen before the Mayo game to be as much a contender as Kerry or Cork.
Perception and reality are two different things, though.
The reality is that Donegal were miles off where they were last year and maybe not even in the top 10 teams in Ireland this year.
There's no doubt in my mind that Dublin have beaten two genuine All-Ireland contenders. Mayo have not, although they can only beat who they play, obviously.
Dublin have been tested more and have come through all those tests in a most impressive fashion. What Mayo face in the final will be on a whole different level to anything they've faced so far. Whether they have enough to deal with that, I'm not so sure.
This rings so true especially when favourites are being picked as eventual winners of a knockout competition.
Also the perception will change on the manner of the Mayo results if we manage to overcome the Dubs and then the reality changes from Donegal , Roscommon , Galway being poor teams to being middling to good teams who came off second best to a top notch ruthless outfit that nobody was able to take down in 2013!
Hindsight is twenty twenty as the say or in Berite's case "if hindsight was foresight we would all be fine" although if hindsight was foresight it would pretty much wipe out time, reality and the very fabrics of existence! ;D
So what I am trying to get at is the reality is always somewhere in the middle i.e Donegal weren't as good as we thought , Cork/Kerry/Tyrone weren't as far away as some people thought and Dublin and Mayo were the two form teams this year like many people thought.
Quote from: seafoid on September 03, 2013, 02:59:03 PM
Kerry have been off the pace for a few years. Ask MikeSheehy-he might be somewhere discussing the Middle East. They were running on fumes last year as well.
If they kept up with Dublin until the 68th minute Dublin must have a faulty full back line LOL .
Cork feel back a long way from 2010 and Counihan retired because he couldn't do any more with them.
I agree with Galwayman. This year's Mayo are ruthless.
But tell me, how is a team that lost an All Ireland final by a point in 2011 and an All-Ireland semi-final in the last minute of normal time in one of the greatest matches of all-time this year not considered to have been a contender?
The current Kerry team is not as good as at its peak, but that doesn't mean they haven't still been serious contenders over the last three seasons.
Their forwards are still comfortably superior to Mayo's.
How many goals have Mayo scored against this porous Dublin back line in their last four meetings? How have the Mayo backs dealt with the Dublin attacking threat in recent meetings?
None and not very well are the respective answers.
Mayo are a serious team and deserving of serious respect, but the quality of what they have beaten is well below what Dublin have beaten this year.
Quote from: Zulu on September 03, 2013, 12:49:17 PM
I see no reason for Dublin to change their style of play and I certainly wouldn't change the forward line unless it's to bring in Rock as a direct replacement
for someone. No reason for either team to set up to counter the other, just go out and play your own game and see who wins. It's worked for both teams so far and I would be shocked if either team changes that approach now.
If anything this game could top the Dublin/Kerry game.
I believe that this will be the sentiment of the dublin management and I believe that this will be the cause of them losing the AIF.
just imo.
If they dont heed the warning signs given them last sunday then they are very foolish imo.
Mayo have been racking up huge scores and only faltered when up against a tyrone defensive structure that bamboozled them and only itself faltered once Harte and SON went off.
Quote from: Sidney on September 03, 2013, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 03, 2013, 02:59:03 PM
Kerry have been off the pace for a few years. Ask MikeSheehy-he might be somewhere discussing the Middle East. They were running on fumes last year as well.
If they kept up with Dublin until the 68th minute Dublin must have a faulty full back line LOL .
Cork feel back a long way from 2010 and Counihan retired because he couldn't do any more with them.
I agree with Galwayman. This year's Mayo are ruthless.
But tell me, how is a team that lost an All Ireland final by a point in 2011 and an All-Ireland semi-final in the last minute of normal time in one of the greatest matches of all-time this year not considered to have been a contender?
The current Kerry team is not as good as at its peak, but that doesn't mean they haven't still been serious contenders over the last three seasons.
Their forwards are still comfortably superior to Mayo's.
How many goals have Mayo scored against this porous Dublin back line in their last four meetings? How have the Mayo backs dealt with the Dublin attacking threat in recent meetings?
None and not very well are the respective answers.
Mayo are a serious team and deserving of serious respect, but the quality of what they have beaten is well below what Dublin have beaten this year.
Go on, go on. Dublin took 68 minutes to pull away from Kerry.
That says more about Dublin than it does about Mayo.
"One of the greatest matches of all time" is hyperbole.
The porous Dublin FB line adds an intriguing element to the final.
Mayo are much improved on last year. Are Dublin?
Quote from: seafoid on September 03, 2013, 03:22:51 PM
Go on, go on. Dublin took 68 minutes to pull away from Kerry.
That says more about Dublin than it does about Mayo.
"One of the greatest matches of all time" is hyperbole.
The porous Dublin FB line adds an intriguing element to the final.
Mayo are much improved on last year. Are Dublin?
In what way is it hyperbole? It was unquestionably one of the greatest matches of all time. Debatable whether it was
the greatest, but certainly in the top three, and played at a faster pace than either Tyrone-Kerry final, Down v Derry 1994 or Dublin v Mayo 2006 or any other "great" matches of the past.
I'll presume you didn't see Dublin play last year, given that you question whether they have improved. Mayo have also improved, but how much we don't yet know. And there are real doubts about two of their key forwards.
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 03, 2013, 02:17:17 PM
Quote from: Sidney on September 03, 2013, 01:48:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 02, 2013, 09:35:29 PM
Kerry were not contenders. Cork are a good bit off the pace as well.
A team that was level with Dublin after 68 minutes and missed a gilt-edged chance to go in front again were not contenders?!
Heard it all now.
Who have Mayo beaten that were contenders?
Well Donegal would have been seen before the Mayo game to be as much a contender as Kerry or Cork.
Donegal lost to Monaghan and only managed six points in that final and they were written off after that game. Cork,Kerry weren't expected to beaten by Dublin who knows how they would fare if on the other side of the draw.
Quote from: seafoid on September 03, 2013, 03:22:51 PM
Quote from: Sidney on September 03, 2013, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 03, 2013, 02:59:03 PM
Kerry have been off the pace for a few years. Ask MikeSheehy-he might be somewhere discussing the Middle East. They were running on fumes last year as well.
If they kept up with Dublin until the 68th minute Dublin must have a faulty full back line LOL .
Cork feel back a long way from 2010 and Counihan retired because he couldn't do any more with them.
I agree with Galwayman. This year's Mayo are ruthless.
But tell me, how is a team that lost an All Ireland final by a point in 2011 and an All-Ireland semi-final in the last minute of normal time in one of the greatest matches of all-time this year not considered to have been a contender?
The current Kerry team is not as good as at its peak, but that doesn't mean they haven't still been serious contenders over the last three seasons.
Their forwards are still comfortably superior to Mayo's.
How many goals have Mayo scored against this porous Dublin back line in their last four meetings? How have the Mayo backs dealt with the Dublin attacking threat in recent meetings?
None and not very well are the respective answers.
Mayo are a serious team and deserving of serious respect, but the quality of what they have beaten is well below what Dublin have beaten this year.
Go on, go on. Dublin took 68 minutes to pull away from Kerry.
That says more about Dublin than it does about Mayo.
"One of the greatest matches of all time" is hyperbole.
The porous Dublin FB line adds an intriguing element to the final.
Mayo are much improved on last year. Are Dublin?
Only a fool could possibly think the Dublin 2013 team is not far better than the 2012 team.
Donegal in 2013 were similar to Dublin last year. Both teams won the all ireland after long gaps, then struggled & ultimately failed to reach anywhere near the same levels of intensity & quality of performance the following years.
Dublin last year stumbled into the All Ireland semi final despite playing badly all year. The last 20 minutes of the semi final was the only time they really clicked all season.
Donegal this year were similar. Well beaten in Ulster final, stumbled past a poor Laois side before sinking without a trace against Mayo in a tired display.
Quote from: Sidney on September 03, 2013, 03:52:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 03, 2013, 03:22:51 PM
Go on, go on. Dublin took 68 minutes to pull away from Kerry.
That says more about Dublin than it does about Mayo.
"One of the greatest matches of all time" is hyperbole.
The porous Dublin FB line adds an intriguing element to the final.
Mayo are much improved on last year. Are Dublin?
In what way is it hyperbole? It was unquestionably one of the greatest matches of all time. Debatable whether it was the greatest, but certainly in the top three, and played at a faster pace than either Tyrone-Kerry final, Down v Derry 1994 or Dublin v Mayo 2006 or any other "great" matches of the past.
I'll presume you didn't see Dublin play last year, given that you question whether they have improved. Mayo have also improved, but how much we don't yet know. And there are real doubts about two of their key forwards.
He clearly he didn't see Dublin last year. Struggled against Laois,Meath before beaten by Mayo. Will know in the final how much Mayo have improved from last year.
Listen lads, Dublin are the greatest team ever to hit the old sod, which they rarely do as they are absolutely flying all the time. There are no flaws in the team, no one has ever got a card and they never hit any wides. No one makes any mistakes and every single pass sticks. There is hardly any point in putting out an opposition at all, as it won't interfere with them in the slightest.
Mayo could sit in the corner and have a smoke for all of the damage they will do to Dublin.
If it is too sunny or too wet or something spoils the perfect team's day, I will jump on the bandwagon and blame Tyrone.
Quote from: Sidney on September 03, 2013, 03:52:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 03, 2013, 03:22:51 PM
Go on, go on. Dublin took 68 minutes to pull away from Kerry.
That says more about Dublin than it does about Mayo.
"One of the greatest matches of all time" is hyperbole.
The porous Dublin FB line adds an intriguing element to the final.
Mayo are much improved on last year. Are Dublin?
In what way is it hyperbole? It was unquestionably one of the greatest matches of all time. Debatable whether it was the greatest, but certainly in the top three, and played at a faster pace than either Tyrone-Kerry final, Down v Derry 1994 or Dublin v Mayo 2006 or any other "great" matches of the past.
I'll presume you didn't see Dublin play last year, given that you question whether they have improved. Mayo have also improved, but how much we don't yet know. And there are real doubts about two of their key forwards.
Keep it up lads but I don't think ye can spin this out to a Tyrone length thread.
Quote from: Sidney on September 03, 2013, 03:52:53 PM
In what way is it hyperbole? It was unquestionably one of the greatest matches of all time. Debatable whether it was the greatest, but certainly in the top three, and played at a faster pace than either Tyrone-Kerry final, Down v Derry 1994 or Dublin v Mayo 2006 or any other "great" matches of the past.
Says you or did you have access to the Tyrone sports bra's and coordinate the data with non existant data from those games?
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2013, 04:17:23 PM
Says you or did you have access to the Tyrone sports bra's and coordinate the data with non existant data from those games?
The Dublin and Kerry players were wearing Tyrone's bras? Christ, you'd think they'd invest in their own lingerie rather than wearing another team's. The last of the Vodafone sponsorship money must have run out.
Quote from: Sidney on September 03, 2013, 04:23:22 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2013, 04:17:23 PM
Says you or did you have access to the Tyrone sports bra's and coordinate the data with non existant data from those games?
The Dublin and Kerry players were wearing Tyrone's bras?
Kerry were wearing Tyrone's bras.
Dub were wearing Wonder Bras.
Quote from: Sidney on September 03, 2013, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 03, 2013, 02:59:03 PM
Kerry have been off the pace for a few years. Ask MikeSheehy-he might be somewhere discussing the Middle East. They were running on fumes last year as well.
If they kept up with Dublin until the 68th minute Dublin must have a faulty full back line LOL .
Cork feel back a long way from 2010 and Counihan retired because he couldn't do any more with them.
I agree with Galwayman. This year's Mayo are ruthless.
But tell me, how is a team that lost an All Ireland final by a point in 2011 and an All-Ireland semi-final in the last minute of normal time in one of the greatest matches of all-time this year not considered to have been a contender?
The current Kerry team is not as good as at its peak, but that doesn't mean they haven't still been serious contenders over the last three seasons.
Their forwards are still comfortably superior to Mayo's.
How many goals have Mayo scored against this porous Dublin back line in their last four meetings? How have the Mayo backs dealt with the Dublin attacking threat in recent meetings?
None and not very well are the respective answers.
Mayo are a serious team and deserving of serious respect, but the quality of what they have beaten is well below what Dublin have beaten this year.
I see a trend here, Galway that team for the future packed with underage promise and of course it's Mayo v Galway, this Galway will do fine - Mayo annilate them, retro view = Galway are shite.
Roscommon that decent team that on a good day can put it up ya, also local rivals, these Rossies watch out for them. Retro view = Roscommon are shite.
London are the fairytale team of 2013, aren't they great. Retro view = Londin are shite.
Donegal one of favourites to win Sam, All-Ireland Champions, the machine. Retro view = Donegal are shite.
Tyrone are the only team to put it up those Dub's this year, Mickey Harte is a legend, Tyrone won't lose by more than 1 or 2 wouldn't put it past them to win, if Tyrone get a lead they will win. Retro view = Tyrone is shite.
Based on this I feel very sorry for the Dubs, on the 23'rd of Sept. the headlines won't mention Mayo as All-Ireland Champions but how could a terrible team like Dublin got to an A.I. Final, losing to Mayo O the shame.
I know mayogodhelpus is on a windup but in the middle of it he does ask a interesting question?
What if the unthinkable happened like Dublin freeze allowing Mayo to get a run on them like we got on Donegal in the quarters and we go 2-10 to 0-4 at halftime going on to win by 12 or 13 points , would Mayo have technically won an All Ireland without having a serious test and so be the first to win a genuine soft All Ireland in the eyes of the neutral fans?
If Mayo were in the situation like the Tyrone match with Dublin being three or four points after 20 mins but Mayo reel them in and power by would again this be viewed in hindsight as Dublin not being able to test Mayo therefore again Mayo would Mayo have won an All Ireland without a serious test?
If Mayo v Dublin go score for score and we hop a flukey ball over the bar Ala 1996 for Meath would this point to us having won a genuine victory even it was pure luck that separated us and the Dubs but still would be considered a test therefore carrying more credence?
If as unfortunately history points towards and like 1997 , 2004 , 2006 ,2012 the game is over by 10 or 20 mins will Dublin be given credit for dismissing a talented Mayo team or would neutrals feel all the final did was tarnish the shine of the victories over Meath , Cork and Kerry?
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2013, 01:59:43 PM
Last line is classic... :D
http://www.irishtv.ie/joe-brolly-reckons-mayo-will-win/
Weird seeing Brolly in a Knockmore shirt
I came online to buy some bra's for the wife and the google sent me here. What's going on?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 03, 2013, 06:02:19 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2013, 01:59:43 PM
Last line is classic... :D
http://www.irishtv.ie/joe-brolly-reckons-mayo-will-win/
Weird seeing Brolly in a Knockmore shirt
Brolly is full of shite........................he will gush on the county hes currently on the piss in..................mayo on saturday, dublin on sunday.......................
A lot of weight being put by Dublin posters on the Cork win in the Quarter Final. I was wondering what was Corks last big win in the Championship since the AI in 2010?
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 03, 2013, 05:04:32 PM
I know mayogodhelpus is on a windup but in the middle of it he does ask a interesting question?
What if the unthinkable happened like Dublin freeze allowing Mayo to get a run on them like we got on Donegal in the quarters and we go 2-10 to 0-4 at halftime going on to win by 12 or 13 points , would Mayo have technically won an All Ireland without having a serious test and so be the first to win a genuine soft All Ireland in the eyes of the neutral fans?
If Mayo were in the situation like the Tyrone match with Dublin being three or four points after 20 mins but Mayo reel them in and power by would again this be viewed in hindsight as Dublin not being able to test Mayo therefore again Mayo would Mayo have won an All Ireland without a serious test?
If Mayo v Dublin go score for score and we hop a flukey ball over the bar Ala 1996 for Meath would this point to us having won a genuine victory even it was pure luck that separated us and the Dubs but still would be considered a test therefore carrying more credence?
If as unfortunately history points towards and like 1997 , 2004 , 2006 ,2012 the game is over by 10 or 20 mins will Dublin be given credit for dismissing a talented Mayo team or would neutrals feel all the final did was tarnish the shine of the victories over Meath , Cork and Kerry?
Crete, you need to get some fresh air. You'll never last 'til the 22nd if you're trying yourself into knots this early.
At least Dublin's poor performance Sunday has put to bed the notion that they're favourites.
Mayo have been the best team in the country for the last two years and but for a poor opening few minutes last year, would be going for two in a row now.
This final has come a year too soon for Dublin's young guns.
Just a few thoughts from the game the last day.
At times the Dublin full back line was non-existent. Kerry kicked, long quick ball into the forwards and they dragged the Dublin full back line out of position. Freeman and O'Connor will play puck if this happens the next day.
I would expect us to play a sweeper the next day so the Dublin forwards will be under a lot more pressure when kicking than they were the last day.
While Brogan got some lovely points the last day, I thought Marc O'Se was way off the pace.
Also Dublin seemed to be caught on the hop when Kerry took the quick free. This resulted in something like 1-2 for Kerry I think.
However I was impressed at how Dublin got there act together at half time.
In terms of match ups I would expect the following:
Vaughan- Flynn
Keegan- Kilkenny
Boyle- Connolly
Barrett- Manion
Cuniffee- Andrews
Caff- Brogan
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 03, 2013, 08:01:03 PM
A lot of weight being put by Dublin posters on the Cork win in the Quarter Final. I was wondering what was Corks last big win in the Championship since the AI in 2010?
Sure if Cork were contenders then Galway were too.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 03, 2013, 04:48:00 PM
I see a trend here, Galway that team for the future packed with underage promise and of course it's Mayo v Galway, this Galway will do fine - Mayo annilate them, retro view = Galway are shite.
Roscommon that decent team that on a good day can put it up ya, also local rivals, these Rossies watch out for them. Retro view = Roscommon are shite.
London are the fairytale team of 2013, aren't they great. Retro view = Londin are shite.
Donegal one of favourites to win Sam, All-Ireland Champions, the machine. Retro view = Donegal are shite.
Tyrone are the only team to put it up those Dub's this year, Mickey Harte is a legend, Tyrone won't lose by more than 1 or 2 wouldn't put it past them to win, if Tyrone get a lead they will win. Retro view = Tyrone is shite.
Based on this I feel very sorry for the Dubs, on the 23'rd of Sept. the headlines won't mention Mayo as All-Ireland Champions but how could a terrible team like Dublin got to an A.I. Final, losing to Mayo O the shame.
Ah here, get with the programme.
Dublin conceded five points in a row against Meath, so they can't do it for 70 minutes.
Cork haven't won an All-Ireland since 2010, so they're shite.
Despite seriously contending and still having some of the greatest players of all-time playing for them, Kerry are not a serious contender.
Mayo on the other hand are ruthless, a remorseless killing machine, and they well deserve their favourites tag for the final, and don't forget they made fools of a Dublin team at the peak of their powers last year, a Dublin team which has since gone into decline. And Mayo are the team of destiny, so there can only only be one result, right?
Looks like we're going to get 2 new GAABoard records here
1- the most pages ever on 1 game
2- the most sh1te ever spouted on GAAboard.
Quote from: muppet on September 03, 2013, 04:04:16 PM
Listen lads, Dublin are the greatest team ever to hit the old sod, which they rarely do as they are absolutely flying all the time. There are no flaws in the team, no one has ever got a card and they never hit any wides. No one makes any mistakes and every single pass sticks. There is hardly any point in putting out an opposition at all, as it won't interfere with them in the slightest.
Mayo could sit in the corner and have a smoke for all of the damage they will do to Dublin.
If it is too sunny or too wet or something spoils the perfect team's day, I will jump on the bandwagon and blame Tyrone.
Not only that, but they're also known as 'Destiny's Children'... Mayo could sit huddled in the dressingroom for all the damage they will do to Dublin. :(
Quote from: Sidney on September 03, 2013, 08:46:49 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 03, 2013, 04:48:00 PM
I see a trend here, Galway that team for the future packed with underage promise and of course it's Mayo v Galway, this Galway will do fine - Mayo annilate them, retro view = Galway are shite.
Roscommon that decent team that on a good day can put it up ya, also local rivals, these Rossies watch out for them. Retro view = Roscommon are shite.
London are the fairytale team of 2013, aren't they great. Retro view = Londin are shite.
Donegal one of favourites to win Sam, All-Ireland Champions, the machine. Retro view = Donegal are shite.
Tyrone are the only team to put it up those Dub's this year, Mickey Harte is a legend, Tyrone won't lose by more than 1 or 2 wouldn't put it past them to win, if Tyrone get a lead they will win. Retro view = Tyrone is shite.
Based on this I feel very sorry for the Dubs, on the 23'rd of Sept. the headlines won't mention Mayo as All-Ireland Champions but how could a terrible team like Dublin got to an A.I. Final, losing to Mayo O the shame.
Ah here, get with the programme.
Dublin conceded five points in a row against Meath, so they can't do it for 70 minutes.
Cork haven't won an All-Ireland since 2010, so they're shite.
Despite seriously contending and still having some of the greatest players of all-time playing for them, Kerry are not a serious contender.
Mayo on the other hand are ruthless, a remorseless killing machine, and they well deserve their favourites tag for the final, and don't forget they made fools of a Dublin team at the peak of their powers last year, a Dublin team which has since gone into decline. And Mayo are the team of destiny, so there can only only be one result, right?
Re Kerry- all teams fail eventually. Who expected Barca to flop last season?
I still haven't heard a convincing argument about why the Dubs' path to the final is superior to Mayo's.
and beat the 156pgs of the semi final between Mayo and Tyrone, i hopefully doubt it, wont see 100!
I can't see Mayo beating Dublin unfortunately.
My thoughts have changed from last Sundays game. The dubs let a done Kerry team tear them a new one in the first half and needed a late salvo to put them away. They don't know how to defend and have yet to play a team with a superb defensive set up like mayo. Mayo are more advanced than Dublin on the line. We know that they will take off brogan after 40. We know that mcmenamen will try an run at them. For Dublin to win they must run at mayo in the first 15 mins but will Gavin start mc men amen - apparently not. To try to run at mayo when they get into their groove will hand the westerners Sam.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 03, 2013, 08:49:35 PM
Looks like we're going to get 2 new GAABoard records here
1- the most pages ever on 1 game
2- the most sh1te ever spouted on GAAboard.
Did you ever see so much shadowboxing or shite as you put it?
I think Mayo have a decent chance in this one. Mind you I was hopeful last year as well.
A steady start is essential to our well-being. If both teams fly into each other early it could be like Hagler v Hearns circa 1985. The greatest 5 round fight of all time. At the same time both teams would feel confident of stretching away and taking it later on.
There is an aspect of our game that we can get right and if we do it could be decisive. I agree with McStay when he says that we don t have enough respect for possession. We still give away too much lazy ball. Remember the stat about all the Donegal scores that came from Mayo being in possesssion. The sloppiness was there again for all to see v Tyrone. If we get it sorted it could be a 5 point swing or more.
As regards selection, I m expecting the same again and I d agree with Sam s match-up s earlier. If it were Kerry the match-ups might have been more challenging. For example I would have been in favour of Cunniffe coming out to mark Gooch, such is the recent form of Tom. I would also have played O Sé at 11 where I thought Kerry would be vulnerable to a powerful runner. Maybe Dublin are too but not expecting change.
If Andy/Cillian can t start I hope Dillon is moved inside with either Carolan starting ( Mayo had a better shape v tyrone after Carolan was introduced) or Barry coming into midfield and Aiden pushing on a bit. Using Varley as an early sub would be a mistake imo. I would also hold Conroy in reserve til down the stretch if Andy and O Connor Can start.
You never know what will happen on the day with injuries and cards but even the Mayo subs are nailed on at this stage. It s unlikely anybody besides Barry Mór, Keane, Varley, Conoy, Feeney and Carolan will be called upon.
I know he s a big lad but I hope Aiden O Sé can cut out these yellow cards. It must be like groundhog day. The same challenge over and over again.
As regards routes to the final it could be argued that neither Cork, Kerry or the Dubs had to play the 2 ultra conservative big guns in the competition. Mayo had to play and beat both. Mayo have struggled to come to terms with these 2 last couple of years but we managed. Now they may not have been in their pomp but they still were not going out to lose and with respect to both Donegal and Tyrone they are bastards to play against.
If Dubs win, then another league-championship double for a team in the last decade.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2013, 09:48:39 PM
I can't see Mayo beating Dublin unfortunately.
Our upbeat psychologist is back!
Quote from: rrhf on September 03, 2013, 09:50:48 PM
My thoughts have changed from last Sundays game. The dubs let a done Kerry team tear them a new one in the first half and needed a late salvo to put them away. They don't know how to defend and have yet to play a team with a superb defensive set up like mayo. Mayo are more advanced than Dublin on the line. We know that they will take off brogan after 40. We know that mcmenamen will try an run at them. For Dublin to win they must run at mayo in the first 15 mins but will Gavin start mc men amen - apparently not. To try to run at mayo when they get into their groove will hand the westerners Sam.
I said this earlier, the most disciplined team in the championship this year were Tyrone. Conceded feck all scores especially goals. Mayo will have learned a alot about themselves in that game. Dublin will have learned less against Kerry who played very loose.
Galway went gung-ho into their game v Mayo this year. They expected the usual shoot out. The old Mayo, the same as the old days. What they got was a lot different. If Dublin do the same they will suffer a similar fate. Mayo will squeeze the shite out of you. Don't under estimate our middle eight, they may not be glamerous, but they are ruthless.
I like everyone love cute football. It's gorgeous but I also know that Kerry would not have beat Tyrone this year and I think Tyrone would have beat the pick of them, as unpalatable as that may sound to some. what mayo bring to the party is a superb evolution of real quality football with real defenders of which there was very limited examples on show last week. Proper football wins a final not the dream. If I was backing Dublin it would be the basis that they used to defend at the levels an all Ireland winning team needs to defend at, their defenders are forwards more than defenders. Lovely to watch but when was the last time a team with no defense won sam
The route to the final stuff is bogus. It's only obvious once it's been played and by then the only thing that matters is who won. There are no asterisks in the Roll of Honour to give details on routes to finals. Dublin and Mayo are the top two teams in the country.
With due respect rrhf, it's hard to make a case that Tyrone could beat the pick of Dublin and Mayo when Tyrone couldn't beat one of them. Or do you mean the pick of Kerry and Dublin?
Yes sorry for that. Tyrone would have defended. I'm using the point not to big up Tyrone but in our wish to exalt the challenge match that was the semi final we tend to ignore the obvious. Look at the score line that Dublin let in, how did they win the game?
Mayo have a class defence a decent enough midfield and enough great forwards to win the final.
Quote from: rrhf on September 03, 2013, 10:35:37 PM
Yes sorry for that. Tyrone would have defended. I'm using the point not to big up Tyrone but in our wish to exalt the challenge match that was the semi final we tend to ignore the obvious. Look at the score line that Dublin let in, how did they win the game?
Mayo have a class defence a decent enough midfield and enough great forwards to win the final.
No worries, that's where I thought you were coming from alright. On the defending, I thought the Dublin defending was poor enough when I was watching on Sunday but thinking back The Gooch had one of his best ever days with way he was seeing men and setting things up. Mayo are probably ahead of Dublin as regards defence, being on the road for longer, but I'm not sure the Dublin defence is all that terribly porous either. Not least if they start Philly McMahon, who will add a certain presence to the event horizon.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 03, 2013, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 03, 2013, 10:35:37 PM
Yes sorry for that. Tyrone would have defended. I'm using the point not to big up Tyrone but in our wish to exalt the challenge match that was the semi final we tend to ignore the obvious. Look at the score line that Dublin let in, how did they win the game?
Mayo have a class defence a decent enough midfield and enough great forwards to win the final.
No worries, that's where I thought you were coming from alright. On the defending, I thought the Dublin defending was poor enough when I was watching on Sunday but thinking back The Gooch had one of his best ever days with way he was seeing men and setting things up. Mayo are probably ahead of Dublin as regards defence, being on the road for longer, but I'm not sure the Dublin defence is all that terribly porous either. Not least if they start Philly McMahon, who will add a certain presence to the event horizon.
With respect to yerself rrhf this is the thing. When asked by Des Cahill on the Sunday game if Dublin should use a sweeper v Mayo, Tony McEntee ( who doesn t do arched eyebrows or get excited in any way) looked at Des like he hadn t washed for a while. No need he said. Dublin individually are good enough to go man to man with Mayo. He was 100% about that. You can see where he is coming from. O Carroll the last in a dynasty of full backs that even Meath or Kerry would not match, Paddy Christie, Gerry Hargan, Sean Doherty. They seem to have had less fbs than goalkeepers. Donaghy did not get a sniff. Will an on-form Freeman have more joy if ball is hoofed in? Cooper had a good game v Kerry and like all good cbs he plays on the edge. Philly has the edge too. Ger Brennan s challenge on Declan O Sullivan in 11 was as important in landing Sam as McManamon s goal was- think about it. McCarty is a quality wing back and Caffrey is a kid that can change a game in one run.
On the other hand at least 7 Mayo defenders have scored from play in this years championship Cunniffe, Higgins, Barrett, Keane, Keegan, Boyle, Vaughan. Caff would have as well if he could kick the ball ;D Only messing.
Point is though that Mayo defenders are now seen as proper defenders, but are attacking at will. What s going on with analysis that the most attack minded backs - probably ever - are being lauded as proper defenders when all evidence points to them being an attacking The same defenders that were never trusted in recent past under high ball and people running at them. Stuff is not adding up in a lot of opinion out there. We ll learn a bit more I suppose in the final.
Not sure any opposition has worked out what Mayo are about this Summer. I suspect Donegal and Tyrone expected our well- publicised mental shortcomings would beat us if they could get our arse over the bacon slicer. Seán Cavanagh s post match interview would indicate that was in Tyrone s minds anyway. Nothing wrong with that but we did come through a pretty disressing first half hour v Tyrone. Which is probably 10X more beneficial than running through a beaten team for 30mins?
Mayo taking terrace allocation for the final I'm hearing. 8)
Quote from: rrhf on September 03, 2013, 10:26:38 PM
I like everyone love cute football. It's gorgeous but I also know that Kerry would not have beat Tyrone this year and I think Tyrone would have beat the pick of them, as unpalatable as that may sound to some. what mayo bring to the party is a superb evolution of real quality football with real defenders of which there was very limited examples on show last week. Proper football wins a final not the dream. If I was backing Dublin it would be the basis that they used to defend at the levels an all Ireland winning team needs to defend at, their defenders are forwards more than defenders. Lovely to watch but when was the last time a team with no defense won sam
I think Kerry would have won pulling up against Tyrone just like they did last year. You seem to forget Tyrone fell over the line against the likes of Roscommon,Monaghan,Meath and Tyrone weren't scoring enough this year to ever topple a top team.
Going into Sundays game Kerrys average against was 0-11 compared to Dublins average against 0-13 Sunday wasn't a game for the lovers of defensive football however you have to give more credit the top forward lines on show.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2013, 11:29:58 PM
Mayo taking terrace allocation for the final I'm hearing. 8)
Proper order. Hill should be 50/50 to accomodate the peasantry and to allow a bit of swapping stand for 2 terrace like in the old days.
Mayo CB will hopefully do better with their ticket management than last year, which was a joke.
If the Dubs have a problem sharing the Hill I have a solution. Play the game over 2 legs, Dublin and Castlebar ;D Ye can have the Hill and we ll take both ends in McHale. f**k capacities, (McHale will take 40,000 and the local pubs and hedgerow lushers another 20,000) it ll be grand because neutrals never go to finals involving Mayo any more ::) I swear if I come accross a neutral at this one moaning about Mayo being in an AI final I ll slap the ****. I m not getting any younger but I ll snap and dance on the f**ker. f**k off and get beat in yer own all AI finals ye anti-Mayo pricks and leave tickets to the fans and kids that want to see their own teams play. Rant over ;D
PS: I m serious about slapping some annoying ****.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2013, 11:29:58 PM
Mayo taking terrace allocation for the final I'm hearing. 8)
Silly boys
And just in case u forget, Parnell is our home pitch, not croker. Ya sham ye!
Quote from: BartSimpson on September 03, 2013, 11:48:37 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2013, 11:29:58 PM
Mayo taking terrace allocation for the final I'm hearing. 8)
Silly boys
And just in case u forget, Parnell is our home pitch, not croker. Ya sham ye!
Indeed. Isn't Hill 16 Dublin-only?
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2013, 11:29:58 PM
Mayo taking terrace allocation for the final I'm hearing. 8)
Thats the stuff.
All thats left now is for the lads to warm up in front of the Hill now! ;D
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2013, 11:47:07 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2013, 11:29:58 PM
Mayo taking terrace allocation for the final I'm hearing. 8)
Proper order. Hill should be 50/50 to accomodate the peasantry and to allow a bit of swapping stand for 2 terrace like in the old days.
Mayo CB will hopefully do better with their ticket management than last year, which was a joke.
If the Dubs have a problem sharing the Hill I have a solution. Play the game over 2 legs, Dublin and Castlebar ;D Ye can have the Hill and we ll take both ends in McHale. f**k capacities, (McHale will take 40,000 and the local pubs and hedgerow lushers another 20,000) it ll be grand because neutrals never go to finals involving Mayo any more ::) I swear if I come accross a neutral at this one moaning about Mayo being in an AI final I ll slap the ****. I m not getting any younger but I ll snap and dance on the f**ker. f**k off and get beat in yer own all AI finals ye anti-Mayo pricks and leave tickets to the fans and kids that want to see their own teams play. Rant over ;D
PS: I m serious about slapping some annoying ****.
Good man, Moysider! Make sure you soak your mitts in buckets of petrol every night from now until the final, just like Big Joe Joyce. All the better for batin'.
Although Im an Armagh man I have also supported Dublin in the Championship - unless they were playing us - so Id like to see a Dublin win. However, Im looking forward to a cracking game of football and may the best team win with no controvesy to it at all
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2013, 11:47:07 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2013, 11:29:58 PM
Mayo taking terrace allocation for the final I'm hearing. 8)
Proper order. Hill should be 50/50 to accomodate the peasantry and to allow a bit of swapping stand for 2 terrace like in the old days.
Mayo CB will hopefully do better with their ticket management than last year, which was a joke.
If the Dubs have a problem sharing the Hill I have a solution. Play the game over 2 legs, Dublin and Castlebar ;D Ye can have the Hill and we ll take both ends in McHale. f**k capacities, (McHale will take 40,000 and the local pubs and hedgerow lushers another 20,000) it ll be grand because neutrals never go to finals involving Mayo any more ::) I swear if I come accross a neutral at this one moaning about Mayo being in an AI final I ll slap the ****. I m not getting any younger but I ll snap and dance on the f**ker. f**k off and get beat in yer own all AI finals ye anti-Mayo pricks and leave tickets to the fans and kids that want to see their own teams play. Rant over ;D
PS: I m serious about slapping some annoying ****.
The only annoying thing about Mayo being in a final is thinking you should get a refund after 20mins. Sort that out and the neutrals will be behind ya.
Quote from: Canalman on September 04, 2013, 09:30:14 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2013, 11:29:58 PM
Mayo taking terrace allocation for the final I'm hearing. 8)
As is their entitlement. Mayo will outnumber Dublin fans 2:1 at the final I think. All Mayo people at work here seem to have tickets sorted already. Us Dubs here are relying on luck at the club allocation draw.
The reason Mayo people are out of the blocks so quickly this year is because if you don't have a season ticket there is no hope of getting any from the counties allocation like last year!Just read this crap from our county board ,
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18473:ticket-allocation-for-mayo-clubs-virtually-identical-to-2012&catid=14&Itemid=100008
I think the attitude is not to get caught out like last year so everyone has been quick to extract a ticket as soon as we beat Tyrone but this will still only mean we should might have 50 % of the crowd but a lot of Mayo's allocation will be flowing towards Dublin through unconventional methods( as went to Donegal in 2012) which should balance things out.
Quote from: haveaharp on September 04, 2013, 09:20:20 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2013, 11:47:07 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2013, 11:29:58 PM
Mayo taking terrace allocation for the final I'm hearing. 8)
Proper order. Hill should be 50/50 to accomodate the peasantry and to allow a bit of swapping stand for 2 terrace like in the old days.
Mayo CB will hopefully do better with their ticket management than last year, which was a joke.
If the Dubs have a problem sharing the Hill I have a solution. Play the game over 2 legs, Dublin and Castlebar ;D Ye can have the Hill and we ll take both ends in McHale. f**k capacities, (McHale will take 40,000 and the local pubs and hedgerow lushers another 20,000) it ll be grand because neutrals never go to finals involving Mayo any more ::) I swear if I come accross a neutral at this one moaning about Mayo being in an AI final I ll slap the ****. I m not getting any younger but I ll snap and dance on the f**ker. f**k off and get beat in yer own all AI finals ye anti-Mayo pricks and leave tickets to the fans and kids that want to see their own teams play. Rant over ;D
PS: I m serious about slapping some annoying ****.
The only annoying thing about Mayo being in a final is thinking you should get a refund after 20mins. Sort that out and the neutrals will be behind ya.
The most annoying thing for a Mayo fan after a final is the neutral who took a place a Mayo fan or Dub would give up a limb for that proudly proclaims they wasted their money watching that crap. If it so bad why bother going?
There is not many people a Mayo fan can look down on in the aftermath of another failure but fair play haveaharp the likes of you always remind me that things could be worse i.e next year Mayo might win a final but you will still be a gobshite ;D
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2013, 11:29:58 PM
Mayo taking terrace allocation for the final I'm hearing. 8)
Lovely less chance of some headcase band wagoner from Mayo sitting beside me in the lovely lower cusack ;)
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 04, 2013, 10:15:37 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2013, 11:29:58 PM
Mayo taking terrace allocation for the final I'm hearing. 8)
Lovely less chance of some headcase band wagoner from Mayo sitting beside me in the lovely lower cusack ;)
305 myself, sure where else would you want to be.
Less chance of seeing those Hill 16 - "The City that defeated an empire" jerseys......cringe ;)
It wasnt that funny the first time Syrefus, no need to say it twice :)
On reflection, I reckon I was wrong to go for a Mayo 2-3 point win. Defo reckon it will be Mayo win 5+ (with Mayo 8 ahead with ten mins+ added left)
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 04, 2013, 09:58:57 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on September 04, 2013, 09:20:20 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2013, 11:47:07 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2013, 11:29:58 PM
Mayo taking terrace allocation for the final I'm hearing. 8)
Proper order. Hill should be 50/50 to accomodate the peasantry and to allow a bit of swapping stand for 2 terrace like in the old days.
Mayo CB will hopefully do better with their ticket management than last year, which was a joke.
If the Dubs have a problem sharing the Hill I have a solution. Play the game over 2 legs, Dublin and Castlebar ;D Ye can have the Hill and we ll take both ends in McHale. f**k capacities, (McHale will take 40,000 and the local pubs and hedgerow lushers another 20,000) it ll be grand because neutrals never go to finals involving Mayo any more ::) I swear if I come accross a neutral at this one moaning about Mayo being in an AI final I ll slap the ****. I m not getting any younger but I ll snap and dance on the f**ker. f**k off and get beat in yer own all AI finals ye anti-Mayo pricks and leave tickets to the fans and kids that want to see their own teams play. Rant over ;D
PS: I m serious about slapping some annoying ****.
The only annoying thing about Mayo being in a final is thinking you should get a refund after 20mins. Sort that out and the neutrals will be behind ya.
next year Mayo might win a final but you will still be a gobshite ;D
A gobshite that has seen his county win an All-ireland. Good luck for the final.
Quote from: haveaharp on September 04, 2013, 04:46:04 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 04, 2013, 09:58:57 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on September 04, 2013, 09:20:20 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2013, 11:47:07 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2013, 11:29:58 PM
Mayo taking terrace allocation for the final I'm hearing. 8)
Proper order. Hill should be 50/50 to accomodate the peasantry and to allow a bit of swapping stand for 2 terrace like in the old days.
Mayo CB will hopefully do better with their ticket management than last year, which was a joke.
If the Dubs have a problem sharing the Hill I have a solution. Play the game over 2 legs, Dublin and Castlebar ;D Ye can have the Hill and we ll take both ends in McHale. f**k capacities, (McHale will take 40,000 and the local pubs and hedgerow lushers another 20,000) it ll be grand because neutrals never go to finals involving Mayo any more ::) I swear if I come accross a neutral at this one moaning about Mayo being in an AI final I ll slap the ****. I m not getting any younger but I ll snap and dance on the f**ker. f**k off and get beat in yer own all AI finals ye anti-Mayo pricks and leave tickets to the fans and kids that want to see their own teams play. Rant over ;D
PS: I m serious about slapping some annoying ****.
The only annoying thing about Mayo being in a final is thinking you should get a refund after 20mins. Sort that out and the neutrals will be behind ya.
next year Mayo might win a final but you will still be a gobshite ;D
A gobshite that has seen his county win an All-ireland. Good luck for the final.
Well my uncle who has gone to all the matches with me has not only seen Mayo win the All Ireland but also do it more than once , back to back in fact. Also I have it on good authourity he is not or ever has been considered a gobshite ;).
Thanks for the good wishes though haveaharp and good luck in regaining the Anglo Celt next year.
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 04, 2013, 04:55:42 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on September 04, 2013, 04:46:04 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 04, 2013, 09:58:57 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on September 04, 2013, 09:20:20 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2013, 11:47:07 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2013, 11:29:58 PM
Mayo taking terrace allocation for the final I'm hearing. 8)
Proper order. Hill should be 50/50 to accomodate the peasantry and to allow a bit of swapping stand for 2 terrace like in the old days.
Mayo CB will hopefully do better with their ticket management than last year, which was a joke.
If the Dubs have a problem sharing the Hill I have a solution. Play the game over 2 legs, Dublin and Castlebar ;D Ye can have the Hill and we ll take both ends in McHale. f**k capacities, (McHale will take 40,000 and the local pubs and hedgerow lushers another 20,000) it ll be grand because neutrals never go to finals involving Mayo any more ::) I swear if I come accross a neutral at this one moaning about Mayo being in an AI final I ll slap the ****. I m not getting any younger but I ll snap and dance on the f**ker. f**k off and get beat in yer own all AI finals ye anti-Mayo pricks and leave tickets to the fans and kids that want to see their own teams play. Rant over ;D
PS: I m serious about slapping some annoying ****.
The only annoying thing about Mayo being in a final is thinking you should get a refund after 20mins. Sort that out and the neutrals will be behind ya.
next year Mayo might win a final but you will still be a gobshite ;D
A gobshite that has seen his county win an All-ireland. Good luck for the final.
Well my uncle who has gone to all the matches with me has not only seen Mayo win the All Ireland but also do it more than once , back to back in fact. Also I have it on good authourity he is not or ever has been considered a gobshite ;).
Thanks for the good wishes though haveaharp and good luck in regaining the Anglo Celt next year.
Not a bother.Whatever happens i wont be leaving at half time.
Less chance of seeing those Hill 16 - "The City that defeated an empire" jerseys..
Sure you could ask them wearing that Jersey where the name Jackeens comes from for the Dubs as they as so fond of shouting it,
When the Queen Victoria came to dublin back in 1900, a crowd of dublin people waved union jacks as she passed through the street, and hence were given the name Jackeens!!
"When we got into Dublin the mass of people wedged together in the street and every window, even on the roofs, was quite remarkable. Although I have seen many visits of this kind, nothing has ever approached the enthusiasm and even frenzy displayed by the people of Dublin."
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 04, 2013, 06:23:42 PM
Less chance of seeing those Hill 16 - "The City that defeated an empire" jerseys..
Sure you could ask them wearing that Jersey where the name Jackeens comes from for the Dubs as they as so fond of shouting it,
When the Queen of England came to dublin back in the 20th Century, a crowd of dublin people waved union jacks as she passed through the street, and hence were given the name Jackeens!!
Mmmm I think you mean King of England or 21'st century!
sorted that though 1900 i think is start of 20th century! though she was also in Ireland back i 1861 also
moysider, the Mayo county board are distributing the tickets the very same way as last year. I've raffle tickets to sell, as do plenty other. >:(
Quote from: ballinaman on September 04, 2013, 11:17:00 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 04, 2013, 10:15:37 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2013, 11:29:58 PM
Mayo taking terrace allocation for the final I'm hearing. 8)
Lovely less chance of some headcase band wagoner from Mayo sitting beside me in the lovely lower cusack ;)
305 myself, sure where else would you want to be.
Less chance of seeing those Hill 16 - "The City that defeated an empire" jerseys......cringe ;)
Indeed I agree dude..........I cringe at the kerry me ....................and the mayo for me salad stuff...................................pure bloody nonsense
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 04, 2013, 06:46:15 PM
moysider, the Mayo county board are distributing the tickets the very same way as last year. I've raffle tickets to sell, as do plenty other. >:(
Not content with the total bollocks they made of it last year, they'd like to give it another go this year so! Joke
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 04, 2013, 06:23:42 PM
Less chance of seeing those Hill 16 - "The City that defeated an empire" jerseys..
Sure you could ask them wearing that Jersey where the name Jackeens comes from for the Dubs as they as so fond of shouting it,
When the Queen Victoria came to dublin back in 1900, a crowd of dublin people waved union jacks as she passed through the street, and hence were given the name Jackeens!!
"When we got into Dublin the mass of people wedged together in the street and every window, even on the roofs, was quite remarkable. Although I have seen many visits of this kind, nothing has ever approached the enthusiasm and even frenzy displayed by the people of Dublin."
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) Im sure we will hear lots of this nonsense along with the mayo panels daisy's that have not passed yet and the eye of saurons spell etc etc
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
If only it is nonsense, its true , thats were the "Jackeen" comes from,
some nerve of the Mayo county board to tell clubs to raise £1000 for so many tickets to be released to their club, who do they think they are, mafia dons? they are supposed to be answerable to the clubs, clubs should not have to pay extra to receive tickets, they pay their affiliation fees to the county, insurances etc, - the a county does well, tickets are issued from croke park to be issued to clubs, club Mayo if you have that and supporter clubs, plus season ticket holders, and of course players, does county officals have to raise money for the tickets they will ham over/
no thought not!!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 04, 2013, 06:46:15 PM
moysider, the Mayo county board are distributing the tickets the very same way as last year. I've raffle tickets to sell, as do plenty other. >:(
You won't get a AI final ticket unless you sell the club raffle tickets?
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 04, 2013, 08:51:24 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 04, 2013, 06:46:15 PM
moysider, the Mayo county board are distributing the tickets the very same way as last year. I've raffle tickets to sell, as do plenty other. >:(
You won't get a AI final ticket unless you sell the club raffle tickets?
Disgrace, anyone tell them there is a recession. Unfair on clubmembers to have pressure neighbours, friends and coworkers knowing many are tight on cash.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2013, 11:59:02 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 26, 2013, 11:23:22 AM
Will all of Galway and Roscommon really be supporting Mayo in the final?
No. Neither will all of Sligo. lawnseed won't either so that's all Armagh out of the equation as well.
Lawnseed an Armagh man! Feck I always call him a Tyroneman.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 04, 2013, 08:55:51 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 04, 2013, 08:51:24 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 04, 2013, 06:46:15 PM
moysider, the Mayo county board are distributing the tickets the very same way as last year. I've raffle tickets to sell, as do plenty other. >:(
You won't get a AI final ticket unless you sell the club raffle tickets?
Disgrace, anyone tell them there is a recession. Unfair on clubmembers to have pressure neighbours, friends and coworkers knowing many are tight on cash.
Some of the stuff I heard last year unbelievable if true.
Local business asked to stump up 2 grand for a 10 ticket package for their employees. They later dropped the asking price to 1 grand .
There was talk of the board being left with tickets they didn t manage to pimp on time.
Meanwhile this year, underage players in the club have been told to forget about any hope of a ticket. There s more to be gained by raffling tickets it seems. The board is using these AI finals to make hay while the sun shines. We all know about the debt and the costs involved in getting teams to this stage and then there s the minor as well. I m sure they ll try to justify what amounts to touting tickets but it does look cynical.
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 04, 2013, 08:51:24 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 04, 2013, 06:46:15 PM
moysider, the Mayo county board are distributing the tickets the very same way as last year. I've raffle tickets to sell, as do plenty other. >:(
You won't get a AI final ticket unless you sell the club raffle tickets?
Not that, but it's kinda shite that having heard all the complaints from people last year, they're doing the same thing this year too. The club has to raise €1000 for extra 20 tickets, €2000 for extra forty etc. Stuff that only happens in Mayo.
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Quote from: blanketattack on August 26, 2013, 11:23:22 AM
Will all of Galway and Roscommon really be supporting Mayo in the final?
No. Neither will all of Sligo. lawnseed won't either so that's all Armagh out of the equation as well.
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Lawnseed an Armagh man! Feck I always call him a Tyroneman.
First of ignore the comments about Lawnweed; I'm sure he's not from Macha's county, pretty sure he's from elsewhere.
Can anybody really see the Dubs not thrashing Mayo?
I'm an anti Dub, so have looked at Mayo for a wee few bob since the league, but shall pull the stake in now I think.
Quote from: ardal on September 04, 2013, 10:00:56 PM
Can anybody really see the Dubs not thrashing Mayo?
I don't think there wouldn't be many people who don't think that the Dubs won't thrash Mayo.
Aren't those tickets 'extra' on top of usual allocation though? Clubs don't have to stump up for them... It's a way of getting additional tickets and the county board gets extra income (badly needed). The clubs can use the tickets in whatever way they want, they could even make some money for themselves.
somewhere down the line i remember many a die hard gaa county board members go on about the ethos of the amateur game, but have no problem bleeding loyal supporters dry. if the county board has problems paiding for the county team they should reduce the monines they put in, but i think the Mayo county Board money problems are down to the big stadium and pitch they got done, great facilities but if the money wasnt there, should they have been done??
Quote from: ballinaman on September 04, 2013, 10:10:00 PM
Quote from: ardal on September 04, 2013, 10:00:56 PM
Can anybody really see the Dubs not thrashing Mayo?
I don't think there wouldn't be many people who don't think that the Dubs won't thrash Mayo.
All this litotes has my head done in!
Quote from: Tubberman on September 04, 2013, 10:10:40 PM
Aren't those tickets 'extra' on top of usual allocation though? Clubs don't have to stump up for them... It's a way of getting additional tickets and the county board gets extra income (badly needed). The clubs can use the tickets in whatever way they want, they could even make some money for themselves.
Well Ballina Stephenites have about 450 paid up members so I wouldn't think 100 tickets plus an extra 35 or so for club officials and county panelists is a normal allocation. Donegal managed to give one ticket per member of the club last year!!
I would say Knockmorre have more than 135 members as well!
Quote from: ardal on September 04, 2013, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 04, 2013, 08:58:42 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2013, 11:59:02 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 26, 2013, 11:23:22 AM
Will all of Galway and Roscommon really be supporting Mayo in the final?
No. Neither will all of Sligo. lawnseed won't either so that's all Armagh out of the equation as well.
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Lawnseed an Armagh man! Feck I always call him a Tyroneman.
First of ignore the comments about Lawnweed; I'm sure he's not from Macha's county, pretty sure he's from elsewhere.
Can anybody really see the Dubs not thrashing Mayo?
I'm an anti Dub, so have looked at Mayo for a wee few bob since the league, but shall pull the stake in now I think.
I am sure your are winding us up but I'll give you an honest answer anyway.
Most Mayo people obviously believe we can win or that we can be at least be competitive but history does point towards the Dubs having this in the bag inside 20 mins.
Personally I think we can win with a bit of luck but would still be apprehensive about the first quarter because of what happened last year and in the semi against Tyrone this year.
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 04, 2013, 10:35:27 PM
Quote from: ardal on September 04, 2013, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 04, 2013, 08:58:42 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2013, 11:59:02 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 26, 2013, 11:23:22 AM
Will all of Galway and Roscommon really be supporting Mayo in the final?
No. Neither will all of Sligo. lawnseed won't either so that's all Armagh out of the equation as well.
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Lawnseed an Armagh man! Feck I always call him a Tyroneman.
First of ignore the comments about Lawnweed; I'm sure he's not from Macha's county, pretty sure he's from elsewhere.
Can anybody really see the Dubs not thrashing Mayo?
I'm an anti Dub, so have looked at Mayo for a wee few bob since the league, but shall pull the stake in now I think.
I am sure your are winding us up but I'll give you an honest answer anyway.
Most Mayo people obviously believe we can win or that we can be at least be competitive but history does point towards the Dubs having this in the bag inside 20 mins.
Personally I think we can win with a bit of luck but would still be apprehensive about the first quarter because of what happened last year and in the semi against Tyrone this year.
I'm afraid that what happened in the first 25 minutes against Tyrone was we got a game, something we only got for 15 minutes before in our game against Roscommon. By seeing this as a weakness does not give credit to a very disciplined Tyrone outfit.
Been a small club is the only advantage come ticket time, when we reached the all-lreland many moons ago we had no problem with tickets as we were the smallest club roughly in the county were bigger clubs with a big membership were killing each other for tickets
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 04, 2013, 08:58:42 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2013, 11:59:02 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 26, 2013, 11:23:22 AM
Will all of Galway and Roscommon really be supporting Mayo in the final?
No. Neither will all of Sligo. lawnseed won't either so that's all Armagh out of the equation as well.
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Lawnseed an Armagh man! Feck I always call him a Tyroneman.
First of ignore the comments about Lawnweed; I'm sure he's not from Macha's county, pretty sure he's from elsewhere.
Can anybody really see the Dubs not thrashing Mayo?
I'm an anti Dub, so have looked at Mayo for a wee few bob since the league, but shall pull the stake in now I think.
I am sure your are winding us up but I'll give you an honest answer anyway.
Most Mayo people obviously believe we can win or that we can be at least be competitive but history does point towards the Dubs having this in the bag inside 20 mins.
Personally I think we can win with a bit of luck but would still be apprehensive about the first quarter because of what happened last year and in the semi against Tyrone this year.
Probably not a wind up. Wouldn t be arsed responding if I were you but no harm done.
There s a lot of fans from hardy wee counties that think that they d have done better than we did in finals 04 and 06 ::)
Gott in Himmel. You either get it or you dont.
Again I appeal to neutrals to stay the f**k at home. Bad enough losing AIs but listening to neutrals moaning about value for money is a no-no. And I suspect neutrals get their tickets at face value - unlike a lot of Mayo fans, who will be ripped off.
The only people that this game matters to are Mayo s and Dubs. Let the tickets filter back to the counties involved - especially as ye know that it will be a non-event before the ball is thrown in. What s wrong with the Sunday Game coverage?
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Quote from: Crete Boom on September 04, 2013, 10:35:27 PM
Quote from: ardal on September 04, 2013, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 04, 2013, 08:58:42 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2013, 11:59:02 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 26, 2013, 11:23:22 AM
Will all of Galway and Roscommon really be supporting Mayo in the final?
No. Neither will all of Sligo. lawnseed won't either so that's all Armagh out of the equation as well.
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Lawnseed an Armagh man! Feck I always call him a Tyroneman.
First of ignore the comments about Lawnweed; I'm sure he's not from Macha's county, pretty sure he's from elsewhere.
Can anybody really see the Dubs not thrashing Mayo?
I'm an anti Dub, so have looked at Mayo for a wee few bob since the league, but shall pull the stake in now I think.
I am sure your are winding us up but I'll give you an honest answer anyway.
Most Mayo people obviously believe we can win or that we can be at least be competitive but history does point towards the Dubs having this in the bag inside 20 mins.
Personally I think we can win with a bit of luck but would still be apprehensive about the first quarter because of what happened last year and in the semi against Tyrone this year.
Probably not a wind up. Wouldn t be arsed responding if I were you but no harm done.
There s a lot of fans from hardy wee counties that think that they d have done better than we did in finals 04 and 06 ::)
Gott in Himmel. You either get it or you dont.
Again I appeal to neutrals to stay the f**k at home. Bad enough losing AIs but listening to neutrals moaning about value for money is a no-no. And I suspect neutrals get their tickets at face value - unlike a lot of Mayo fans, who will be ripped off.
The only people that this game matters to are Mayo s and Dubs. Let the tickets filter back to the counties involved - especially as ye know that it will be a non-event before the ball is thrown in. What s wrong with the Sunday Game coverage?
Fermanagh people after the final in 2004 were some of th most deluded folk in Ireland. Kerry would have beat them by 25 points.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 04, 2013, 10:53:17 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 04, 2013, 10:35:27 PM
Quote from: ardal on September 04, 2013, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 04, 2013, 08:58:42 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2013, 11:59:02 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 26, 2013, 11:23:22 AM
Will all of Galway and Roscommon really be supporting Mayo in the final?
No. Neither will all of Sligo. lawnseed won't either so that's all Armagh out of the equation as well.
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Lawnseed an Armagh man! Feck I always call him a Tyroneman.
First of ignore the comments about Lawnweed; I'm sure he's not from Macha's county, pretty sure he's from elsewhere.
Can anybody really see the Dubs not thrashing Mayo?
I'm an anti Dub, so have looked at Mayo for a wee few bob since the league, but shall pull the stake in now I think.
I am sure your are winding us up but I'll give you an honest answer anyway.
Most Mayo people obviously believe we can win or that we can be at least be competitive but history does point towards the Dubs having this in the bag inside 20 mins.
Personally I think we can win with a bit of luck but would still be apprehensive about the first quarter because of what happened last year and in the semi against Tyrone this year.
I'm afraid that what happened in the first 25 minutes against Tyrone was we got a game, something we only got for 15 minutes before in our game against Roscommon. By seeing this as a weakness does not give credit to a very disciplined Tyrone outfit.
I would even bother trying to justify anything we have or haven t done.
The old rule of thumb applies - ' if you have to explain stuff you re losing'.
Ye can explain all ye want but these guys will never, ever rate or respect a Mayo football team.
Quote from: moysider on September 04, 2013, 11:16:30 PM
these guys will never, ever rate or respect a Mayo football team.
I think most rate Mayo highly nowadays however a high rating won't be enough to win All Ireland.
No matter how many semi finals are won or defending champions are beaten some neutral supporters will always see Mayo as the side that lose All Ireland finals. Defeat Dublin in the All Ireland final and plenty of respect will come Mayos way. Remember respect isn't given out, it's earned.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 05, 2013, 12:03:12 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 04, 2013, 11:16:30 PM
these guys will never, ever rate or respect a Mayo football team.
I think most rate Mayo highly nowadays however a high rating won't be enough to win All Ireland.
No matter how many semi finals are won or defending champions are beaten some neutral supporters will always see Mayo as the side that lose All Ireland finals. Defeat Dublin in the All Ireland final and plenty of respect will come Mayos way. Remember respect isn't given out, it's earned.
That's it! Win an AI and you can scoff at the chasing bunch! Lose and you are the chasing bunch. You may be at the top of the chasing bunch. but what good is that to you. you are still looking in with the chasing bunch.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 05, 2013, 12:03:12 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 04, 2013, 11:16:30 PM
these guys will never, ever rate or respect a Mayo football team.
I think most rate Mayo highly nowadays however a high rating won't be enough to win All Ireland.
No matter how many semi finals are won or defending champions are beaten some neutral supporters will always see Mayo as the side that lose All Ireland finals. Defeat Dublin in the All Ireland final and plenty of respect will come Mayos way. Remember respect isn't given out, it's earned.
Horseshit of the highest order. Absolute shite.
Yeah I know the old mantra. Second place is the biggest loser.
If that is your angle, so be it. People say Seán Kelly was shite on a bike because he didn t win The Tour!
If we have to beat Dublin to get respect........... Jesus wept. I think Mayo ve given a lot to the game down the years without having to go through this interrigation again. Despite a lot of smashings ( a lot of our own doing I admit) we keep coming back for more. Apart from Cork and Kilkenny how many counties get kids and a senior team into finals the same day.
Y know, I couldn t give a f**k if you never respect my county. It doesn t matter.
Quote from: moysider on September 05, 2013, 12:27:56 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 05, 2013, 12:03:12 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 04, 2013, 11:16:30 PM
these guys will never, ever rate or respect a Mayo football team.
I think most rate Mayo highly nowadays however a high rating won't be enough to win All Ireland.
No matter how many semi finals are won or defending champions are beaten some neutral supporters will always see Mayo as the side that lose All Ireland finals. Defeat Dublin in the All Ireland final and plenty of respect will come Mayos way. Remember respect isn't given out, it's earned.
Horseshit of the highest order. Absolute shite.
Yeah I know the old mantra. Second place is the biggest loser.
If that is your angle, so be it. People say Seán Kelly was shite on a bike because he didn t win The Tour!
If we have to beat Dublin to get respect........... Jesus wept. I think Mayo ve given a lot to the game down the years without having to go through this interrigation again. Despite a lot of smashings ( a lot of our own doing I admit) we keep coming back for more. Apart from Cork and Kilkenny how many counties get kids and a senior team into finals the same day.
Y know, I couldn t give a f**k if you never respect my county. It doesn t matter.
If you couldn't give a f**k why the rant? it's not what i think however it's the way some neutral supporters will always see it, the Jimmy White of GAA if you will.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 05, 2013, 12:38:59 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 05, 2013, 12:27:56 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 05, 2013, 12:03:12 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 04, 2013, 11:16:30 PM
these guys will never, ever rate or respect a Mayo football team.
I think most rate Mayo highly nowadays however a high rating won't be enough to win All Ireland.
No matter how many semi finals are won or defending champions are beaten some neutral supporters will always see Mayo as the side that lose All Ireland finals. Defeat Dublin in the All Ireland final and plenty of respect will come Mayos way. Remember respect isn't given out, it's earned.
Horseshit of the highest order. Absolute shite.
Yeah I know the old mantra. Second place is the biggest loser.
If that is your angle, so be it. People say Seán Kelly was shite on a bike because he didn t win The Tour!
If we have to beat Dublin to get respect........... Jesus wept. I think Mayo ve given a lot to the game down the years without having to go through this interrigation again. Despite a lot of smashings ( a lot of our own doing I admit) we keep coming back for more. Apart from Cork and Kilkenny how many counties get kids and a senior team into finals the same day.
Y know, I couldn t give a f**k if you never respect my county. It doesn t matter.
If you couldn't give a f**k why the rant? it's not what i think however it's the way some neutral supporters will always see it, the Jimmy White of GAA if you will.
So Jimmy White had no respect?
This Mayo team can not win finals lost in the past. This AI is at best a 50/50 game for us. Ye can do a lot right and still lose a game like this. Does that mean the loser has no dignity? Mayo teams that lost AIs in the past still brought a lot to the game. Like the semi in 06. McDonald s displays on beaten teams. There s only one winner in any year. Is every other team muck?
The rant is because I m sick of neutrals being sick about us being there again ruining their big day out.
Quote from: moysider on September 05, 2013, 01:43:14 AM
So Jimmy White had no respect?
This Mayo team can not win finals lost in the past. This AI is at best a 50/50 game for us. Ye can do a lot right and still lose a game like this. Does that mean the loser has no dignity? Mayo teams that lost AIs in the past still brought a lot to the game. Like the semi in 06. McDonald s displays on beaten teams. There s only one winner in any year. Is every other team muck?
The rant is because I m sick of neutrals being sick about us being there again ruining their big day out.
People forget how well Jimmy White did to reach all those finals however he will forever be remembered as the player that couldn't win the big finals.
This is now Mayos seventh All Ireland final since 1989 law of average would suggest you should win one eventually and i think most All Ireland finals are 50/50. The thing is if you lose another All Ireland final you won't be seen as muck far from it however in the years ahead some neutrals will only remember Mayo for one thing.
Quote from: moysider on September 05, 2013, 12:27:56 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 05, 2013, 12:03:12 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 04, 2013, 11:16:30 PM
these guys will never, ever rate or respect a Mayo football team.
I think most rate Mayo highly nowadays however a high rating won't be enough to win All Ireland.
No matter how many semi finals are won or defending champions are beaten some neutral supporters will always see Mayo as the side that lose All Ireland finals. Defeat Dublin in the All Ireland final and plenty of respect will come Mayos way. Remember respect isn't given out, it's earned.
Horseshit of the highest order. Absolute shite.
Yeah I know the old mantra. Second place is the biggest loser.
If that is your angle, so be it. People say Seán Kelly was shite on a bike because he didn t win The Tour!
If we have to beat Dublin to get respect........... Jesus wept. I think Mayo ve given a lot to the game down the years without having to go through this interrigation again. Despite a lot of smashings ( a lot of our own doing I admit) we keep coming back for more. Apart from Cork and Kilkenny how many counties get kids and a senior team into finals the same day.
Y know, I couldn t give a f**k if you never respect my county. It doesn t matter.
But sure every team comes back for more every year.
As regards respect- you don't have the respect of the commentators in the media circles because you're 50 years without one.
Is Sean Kelly rated in the same vein as Roche (leaving all chemicals etc aside ;)- despite being the better cyclist. probably not if we're honest about it.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 05, 2013, 07:31:45 AM
Is Sean Kelly rated in the same vein as Roche (leaving all chemicals etc aside ;)- despite being the better cyclist. probably not if we're honest about it.
Not a great analogy, Kelly is considered better than Roche
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 04, 2013, 06:23:42 PM
Less chance of seeing those Hill 16 - "The City that defeated an empire" jerseys..
Sure you could ask them wearing that Jersey where the name Jackeens comes from for the Dubs as they as so fond of shouting it,
When the Queen Victoria came to dublin back in 1900, a crowd of dublin people waved union jacks as she passed through the street, and hence were given the name Jackeens!!
"When we got into Dublin the mass of people wedged together in the street and every window, even on the roofs, was quite remarkable. Although I have seen many visits of this kind, nothing has ever approached the enthusiasm and even frenzy displayed by the people of Dublin."
The same lads might also tell you that the vast majority of volunteers killed in the 1916 rising were from Dublin. The T shirts are certain;ly cringeworthy but there is an element of truth in them
You mean the rising that had (virtually zero public support and defeated nobody?
If that's the case then the t-shirt has zero truth
In fairness I think some Mayo poster should regale us with the Mayo contribution to the 1916 rising.
Quote from: Canalman on September 05, 2013, 10:11:33 AM
In fairness I think some Mayo poster should regale us with the Mayo contribution to the 1916 rising.
We already est. our own Irish Republic in 1798, with the national capital at Castlebar.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 05, 2013, 10:23:31 AM
Quote from: Canalman on September 05, 2013, 10:11:33 AM
In fairness I think some Mayo poster should regale us with the Mayo contribution to the 1916 rising.
We already est. our own Irish Republic in 1798, with the national capital at Castlebar.
Answer the question asked.
John MacBride.
Je lads dont turn on each other....... Sure thats what the British want!
Quote from: Canalman on September 05, 2013, 10:43:01 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 05, 2013, 10:23:31 AM
Quote from: Canalman on September 05, 2013, 10:11:33 AM
In fairness I think some Mayo poster should regale us with the Mayo contribution to the 1916 rising.
We already est. our own Irish Republic in 1798, with the national capital at Castlebar.
Answer the question asked.
Mayo the County that sent the Redcoats running away was at least popular.
Well I didn't foresee the thread going in this direction!
Quote from: Canalman on September 05, 2013, 10:43:01 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 05, 2013, 10:23:31 AM
Quote from: Canalman on September 05, 2013, 10:11:33 AM
In fairness I think some Mayo poster should regale us with the Mayo contribution to the 1916 rising.
We already est. our own Irish Republic in 1798, with the national capital at Castlebar.
Answer the question asked.
God, you're a barrel of laughs.
Can we get back to the serious issue at hand here.
Just why does James Horan wear a baseball cap in 2013? Is it a case, Mayo are thinking 'we've tried having our managers cap-less and that didn't work'?
Quote from: DJGaliv on September 05, 2013, 11:34:03 AM
Quote from: Canalman on September 05, 2013, 10:43:01 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 05, 2013, 10:23:31 AM
Quote from: Canalman on September 05, 2013, 10:11:33 AM
In fairness I think some Mayo poster should regale us with the Mayo contribution to the 1916 rising.
We already est. our own Irish Republic in 1798, with the national capital at Castlebar.
Answer the question asked.
God, you're a barrel of laughs.
Can we get back to the serious issue at hand here.
Just why does James Horan wear a baseball cap in 2013? Is it a case, Mayo are thinking 'we've tried having our managers cap-less and that didn't work'?
But but but I didn't start it. :P
QuoteJust why does James Horan wear a baseball cap in 2013?
Watch some late night poker on TV. He got it from those lads.
Good news emanating from the camp in relation to COC.
Christy o connor in todays irish news stated what a cork player said to his team mates before a clare munster final a few years ago
' lads us in cork gave resistance in the early 20s, they simply went through Clare'.
Looks like a precedent was set right there.
G tickle keep that one off the hurling thread or there be all out war in munster lol
Quote from: theticklemister on September 05, 2013, 10:55:28 AM
Je lads dont turn on each other....... Sure thats what the British want!
Nice one Tickle.
Quote from: highorlow on September 05, 2013, 11:59:38 AM
QuoteJust why does James Horan wear a baseball cap in 2013?
Watch some late night poker on TV. He got it from those lads.
Good news emanating from the camp in relation to COC.
He learnt the tactic from his mentor Fegal O'Donnell. In FOD he trusts. Lots of collusion going on there when Jamesy isn't playing Ros.
If mayo win Sam will they allow the support on the field.
Quote from: rrhf on September 06, 2013, 07:23:31 AM
If mayo win Sam will they allow the support on the field.
Sure ' the field' cast will always support Mayo , especially the Bull McCabe.
'Go on the Bull!!!'
Quote from: rrhf on September 06, 2013, 07:23:31 AM
If mayo win Sam will they allow the support on the field.
Why would they ???
The Rossies most famous son...come on Rossfan, you know you want to climb aboard too...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTfICAeIcAAHws4.jpg)
Quote from: ballinaman on September 06, 2013, 03:55:48 PM
The Rossies most famous son...come on Rossfan, you know you want to climb aboard too...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTfICAeIcAAHws4.jpg)
He's NOT our most famous son and he can go fcuk off for himself now th'oul Boyle Bo****x.
Quote from: highorlow on September 05, 2013, 11:59:38 AM
QuoteJust why does James Horan wear a baseball cap in 2013?
I guess because its too late to wear it in 2012 and another few months before he can wear one in 2014.
Quote from: thejuice on September 06, 2013, 05:56:12 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 05, 2013, 11:59:38 AM
QuoteJust why does James Horan wear a baseball cap in 2013?
I guess because its too late to wear it in 2012 and another few months before he can wear one in 2014.
He looks rather un-comfie in it doesnt he..................................... he has the hair for a potential stylish cut.............................
Any more word on the COC'S injury ..............................
from hoganstand
http://www.hoganstand.com/mayo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=200372
Even though he's on the opposite team, Bastick - who has suffered two serious shoulder injuries himself - empathises with the young Mayo sharpshooter:
"It was very difficult," the Templeogue Synge Street clubman says in The Irish Daily Mirror. "You do have the chance of it popping out again. But, All-Ireland finals, they don't come around too often.
"You're going to do everything you can. I'm sure they have a great medical team getting him right and hopefully he'll make it.
"It's possible. You're not going to be 100% but Cillian O'Connor at 85 or 90%, his free-taking and scoring ability is a huge boost to any team.
"It's a call for his manager but we wish him all the best. For a stand out player like him, I think if he has any possible way at all he'll play." - See more at: http://www.hoganstand.com/mayo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=200372#sthash.ycKyQwET.dpuf
QuoteJust why does James Horan wear a baseball cap in 2013?
Probably the same reason Mickey Harte has been wearing a baseball cap in 2013.
Probably the same reason Brian Coady has been wearing a baseball cap in 2013.
Probably the same reason Anthony Daly has been wearing a baseball cap in 2013.
Probably the same reason Ollie Baker has been wearing a baseball cap in 2013.
Probably the same reason Michael Ryan has been wearing a baseball cap in 2013.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 06, 2013, 07:12:46 PM
QuoteJust why does James Horan wear a baseball cap in 2013?
Probably the same reason Mickey Harte has been wearing a baseball cap in 2013.
Probably the same reason Brian Coady has been wearing a baseball cap in 2013.
Probably the same reason Anthony Daly has been wearing a baseball cap in 2013.
Probably the same reason Ollie Baker has been wearing a baseball cap in 2013.
Probably the same reason Michael Ryan has been wearing a baseball cap in 2013.
They want to be original?
Quote from: Rossfan on September 06, 2013, 05:17:49 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 06, 2013, 03:55:48 PM
The Rossies most famous son...come on Rossfan, you know you want to climb aboard too...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTfICAeIcAAHws4.jpg)
He's NOT our most famous son and he can go fcuk off for himself now th'oul Boyle Bo****x.
He tore it up and set it on fire after the picture was taken.
Best of luck to Mayo in the AIF.
Quote from: Syferus on September 06, 2013, 07:45:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 06, 2013, 05:17:49 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 06, 2013, 03:55:48 PM
The Rossies most famous son...come on Rossfan, you know you want to climb aboard too...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTfICAeIcAAHws4.jpg)
He's NOT our most famous son and he can go fcuk off for himself now th'oul Boyle Bo****x.
He tore it up and set it on fire after the picture was taken.
At least he is not showing himself up like the petty Rossies on this board. Mayo people have no problem supporting our neighbours, then again we are a generous hearted bunch.
I only support my own County ( excepting anyone connected with that Ballaghaderreen GAA Club).
Good luck to the Rhus in the final but I'm strictly neutral - I don't like either of them >:(
Quote from: Rossfan on September 06, 2013, 10:48:59 PM
I only support my own County ( excepting anyone connected with that Ballaghaderreen GAA Club).
Good luck to the Rhus in the final but I'm strictly neutral - I don't like either of them >:(
At least you're balanced Ross-A chip on both shoulders ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on September 06, 2013, 10:48:59 PM
I only support my own County ( excepting anyone connected with that Ballaghaderreen GAA Club).
Good luck to the Rhus in the final but I'm strictly neutral - I don't like either of them >:(
You're a perfectly well-balanced individual without a doubt, Ross; you've got a big chip on both shoulders. Relax; chill out; go get yerself a hobby- anything at all will do.
Lucky all sheepophiles doesn't think the same as you. I have met a fair few who don't take the hump because we keep batin' ye. I mean they accept that it's not our fault that Roscommon wouldn't bate Katty Barry.
Being from Mayo, the home of Sam for the next twelve months, I can't really say I give a buck one way or the other whether you sulk at our success or not.
In Mayo, we don't do begrudgery so, while I feel sorry for you, I have a clue what I'm feeling sorry for.
Like most from the Plain of the Yews, I was cheering for your little lambeens last Sunday. I had no problem sticking a few Rossie pennants on the car. I was genuinely sorry that they didn't make it to the final. (Ye can read what you like into that.) ;D
Jeez, you are sour as some of the Sligo heads on here. :D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2013, 11:28:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 06, 2013, 10:48:59 PM
I only support my own County ( excepting anyone connected with that Ballaghaderreen GAA Club).
Good luck to the Rhus in the final but I'm strictly neutral - I don't like either of them >:(
we keep batin' ye. it's not our fault that Roscommon wouldn't bate Katty Barry.
Being from Mayo, the home of Sam for the next twelve months,
Like most from the Plain of the Yews, I was cheering for your little lambeens last Sunday. I had no problem sticking a few Rossie pennants on the car..
Jeez, you are sour as some of the Sligo heads on here. :D
We've got quite used to batin' ye hoors at underage the last 7 years so it's only a matter of time till the dark age passes.
If ye win Sam ( :o :o :o) won't he be resting in West Ros?
It's always a sign of an inferior race when ye try to curry favour with the superior neighbours - even flying our flag
Lave the poor Shliiigos alone - the poor devils have enough to contend with .
Quote from: muppet on September 06, 2013, 07:15:34 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 06, 2013, 07:12:46 PM
QuoteJust why does James Horan wear a baseball cap in 2013?
Probably the same reason Mickey Harte has been wearing a baseball cap in 2013.
Probably the same reason Brian Coady has been wearing a baseball cap in 2013.
Probably the same reason Anthony Daly has been wearing a baseball cap in 2013.
Probably the same reason Ollie Baker has been wearing a baseball cap in 2013.
Probably the same reason Michael Ryan has been wearing a baseball cap in 2013.
They want to be original?
More a follically challenged thing
Quote from: stew on September 06, 2013, 08:12:29 PM
Best of luck to Mayo in the AIF.
If 'best of luck' could win us an All-Ireland, we'd be grand! But it won't, so the 20 players have to fight like demons for the full 70+ mins.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 07, 2013, 12:19:52 PM
Quote from: stew on September 06, 2013, 08:12:29 PM
Best of luck to Mayo in the AIF.
If 'best of luck' could win us an All-Ireland, we'd be grand! But it won't, so the 20 players have to fight like demons for the full 70+ mins.
still may not be enough
Quote from: INDIANA on September 07, 2013, 12:50:57 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 07, 2013, 12:19:52 PM
Quote from: stew on September 06, 2013, 08:12:29 PM
Best of luck to Mayo in the AIF.
If 'best of luck' could win us an All-Ireland, we'd be grand! But it won't, so the 20 players have to fight like demons for the full 70+ mins.
still may not be enough
On what basis???
The one certain thing you can take about Dublin from last Sunday is that they will go full tilt for 70+ mins. However I would safely say our fitness levels are at the same level. Dublin's full back line is questionable while their full forward line is strong, the situation is vice versa for Mayo. If you look at the possible match ups in the middle third (based on semi final line ups) Vaughan v Connolly, Boyle v Kilkenny, Keegan v Flynn, SOS v McAuley, AOS v O'Sullivan, Higgins v McCarthy, Dillon v Brennan and McLoughlin v McCaffrey (likely match ups IMO), there is no standout edge in that area if all players perform. Dublin's FF line will probably produce a better return than ours, but our bigger spread of scoring throughout the team compensates for that. This is a final pairing that is seriously balanced, the odds being given by the bookies at the moment reflect it.
Quote from: bucko on September 07, 2013, 01:12:58 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 07, 2013, 12:50:57 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 07, 2013, 12:19:52 PM
Quote from: stew on September 06, 2013, 08:12:29 PM
Best of luck to Mayo in the AIF.
If 'best of luck' could win us an All-Ireland, we'd be grand! But it won't, so the 20 players have to fight like demons for the full 70+ mins.
still may not be enough
On what basis???
The one certain thing you can take about Dublin from last Sunday is that they will go full tilt for 70+ mins. However I would safely say our fitness levels are at the same level. Dublin's full back line is questionable while their full forward line is strong, the situation is vice versa for Mayo. If you look at the possible match ups in the middle third (based on semi final line ups) Vaughan v Connolly, Boyle v Kilkenny, Keegan v Flynn, SOS v McAuley, AOS v O'Sullivan, Higgins v McCarthy, Dillon v Brennan and McLoughlin v McCaffrey (likely match ups IMO), there is no standout edge in that area if all players perform. Dublin's FF line will probably produce a better return than ours, but our bigger spread of scoring throughout the team compensates for that. This is a final pairing that is seriously balanced, the odds being given by the bookies at the moment reflect it.
I don't think you will have a bigger spread of scores in the Final. I think Mayo's lack of a go-to man up front may be the reason why you won't win.
It's hard to remember a team without one winning an all-ireland recently.Maybe Tyrone in 2008.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 07, 2013, 01:21:04 PM
It's hard to remember a team without one winning an all-ireland recently.Maybe Tyrone in 2008.
Sean Cavanagh?
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 07, 2013, 02:27:28 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 07, 2013, 01:21:04 PM
It's hard to remember a team without one winning an all-ireland recently.Maybe Tyrone in 2008.
Sean Cavanagh?
hardly an inside forward?
Quote from: INDIANA on September 07, 2013, 01:21:04 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 07, 2013, 01:12:58 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 07, 2013, 12:50:57 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 07, 2013, 12:19:52 PM
Quote from: stew on September 06, 2013, 08:12:29 PM
Best of luck to Mayo in the AIF.
If 'best of luck' could win us an All-Ireland, we'd be grand! But it won't, so the 20 players have to fight like demons for the full 70+ mins.
still may not be enough
On what basis???
The one certain thing you can take about Dublin from last Sunday is that they will go full tilt for 70+ mins. However I would safely say our fitness levels are at the same level. Dublin's full back line is questionable while their full forward line is strong, the situation is vice versa for Mayo. If you look at the possible match ups in the middle third (based on semi final line ups) Vaughan v Connolly, Boyle v Kilkenny, Keegan v Flynn, SOS v McAuley, AOS v O'Sullivan, Higgins v McCarthy, Dillon v Brennan and McLoughlin v McCaffrey (likely match ups IMO), there is no standout edge in that area if all players perform. Dublin's FF line will probably produce a better return than ours, but our bigger spread of scoring throughout the team compensates for that. This is a final pairing that is seriously balanced, the odds being given by the bookies at the moment reflect it.
I don't think you will have a bigger spread of scores in the Final. I think Mayo's lack of a go-to man up front may be the reason why you won't win.
It's hard to remember a team without one winning an all-ireland recently.Maybe Tyrone in 2008.
I think this is the main challenge because Dublin will be the first team we have faced that won't rely on 2 or 3 forwards to do the main of the scoring like Donegal or Tyrone. Also to compound the fact our potential go to men in Andy Moran , Alan Dillon and Cillian O Connor are suffering from injuries or in Andy's case still not 100 % after a long injury lay off.
On a positive note our half back line , midfield and Alan Freeman have all stepped up to the plate when it mattered so far (Chris Barrett in the semi) but the pressure will be massive due to our past record and Freeman is a confidence player so he might struggle with the occasion along with being marked by Dublin's finest in Rory O' Carroll?
Quote from: INDIANA on September 07, 2013, 01:21:04 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 07, 2013, 01:12:58 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 07, 2013, 12:50:57 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 07, 2013, 12:19:52 PM
Quote from: stew on September 06, 2013, 08:12:29 PM
Best of luck to Mayo in the AIF.
If 'best of luck' could win us an All-Ireland, we'd be grand! But it won't, so the 20 players have to fight like demons for the full 70+ mins.
still may not be enough
On what basis???
The one certain thing you can take about Dublin from last Sunday is that they will go full tilt for 70+ mins. However I would safely say our fitness levels are at the same level. Dublin's full back line is questionable while their full forward line is strong, the situation is vice versa for Mayo. If you look at the possible match ups in the middle third (based on semi final line ups) Vaughan v Connolly, Boyle v Kilkenny, Keegan v Flynn, SOS v McAuley, AOS v O'Sullivan, Higgins v McCarthy, Dillon v Brennan and McLoughlin v McCaffrey (likely match ups IMO), there is no standout edge in that area if all players perform. Dublin's FF line will probably produce a better return than ours, but our bigger spread of scoring throughout the team compensates for that. This is a final pairing that is seriously balanced, the odds being given by the bookies at the moment reflect it.
I don't think you will have a bigger spread of scores in the Final. I think Mayo's lack of a go-to man up front may be the reason why you won't win.
It's hard to remember a team without one winning an all-ireland recently.Maybe Tyrone in 2008.
A fully fit Cillian O'Connor and an on form Andy Moran would counter that, however as things stand neither are looking likely at the mo. While not fitting the bill tho, Alan Freeman performances so far in the C'ship this year have been very underrated. I feel he's been very consistent, has improved slowly but steadily from match to match and could cause some problems if supplied with the right ball. I thought Conroy when he came on against Tyrone looked seriously sharp. He has the ability to win ball and take on his man, making that count on the scoreboard is the biggest question. However he is in serious contention to start as is Andy in the other corner. If Andy could find some form and if the right supply goes in I think there could be enough in the forward line to pose some questions. Lot of ifs though.
Cairde Mhaigh Eo tickets not great I believe! Sections 311/312.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 07, 2013, 11:38:06 PM
Cairde Mhaigh Eo tickets not great I believe! Sections 311/312.
If people don't want 'em I'll take 'em!!! ;)
A pair of All-Ireland football final tickets have sold on eBay for €7,100
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/2-x-Premium-Level-Tickets-GAA-All-Ireland-Football-Final-Dublin-v-Mayo-/261279888916?pt=UK_Tickets_Tickets_LE&hash=item3cd57eb614 (http://www.ebay.ie/itm/2-x-Premium-Level-Tickets-GAA-All-Ireland-Football-Final-Dublin-v-Mayo-/261279888916?pt=UK_Tickets_Tickets_LE&hash=item3cd57eb614)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 08, 2013, 12:06:28 AM
A pair of All-Ireland football final tickets have sold on eBay for €7,100
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/2-x-Premium-Level-Tickets-GAA-All-Ireland-Football-Final-Dublin-v-Mayo-/261279888916?pt=UK_Tickets_Tickets_LE&hash=item3cd57eb614 (http://www.ebay.ie/itm/2-x-Premium-Level-Tickets-GAA-All-Ireland-Football-Final-Dublin-v-Mayo-/261279888916?pt=UK_Tickets_Tickets_LE&hash=item3cd57eb614)
Good Luck to anybody who would be stupid and rich enough to pay such an amount. Of course the tout is donating the profits to charity!
I expect the "buyer" will receive an "unpaid item" strike in the near future ;D
Height of Madness, some people have to sense
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 07, 2013, 11:38:06 PM
Cairde Mhaigh Eo tickets not great I believe! Sections 311/312.
314/714 row Z!
Not great is an understatement.
714 wouldn't be too bad.
Quote from: highorlow on September 09, 2013, 09:53:08 AM
714 wouldn't be too bad.
I dunno about that! In the corner and row Z is right at the top.
http://www.crokepark.ie/About/Seating-Plans
Quote from: moysider on September 09, 2013, 10:01:23 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 09, 2013, 09:53:08 AM
714 wouldn't be too bad.
I dunno about that! In the corner and row Z is right at the top.
http://www.crokepark.ie/About/Seating-Plans
I was in row y 715 for Ireland v England 2007 six nations and the view was fine as long as you don't suffer from vertigo because you are very high up. I have been in 314/312 for matches before and the view is crap unless you are in row a or b. Sec 312/313/314/324/325/326 are definitely the worst seats in Croker and while if I hadn't a season ticket or was arriving at ( or home for) my first Mayo match of the season I would be happy with any ticket for the final but most Cairde members I know would be at the majority of league games and all championship/club championship games so they are getting the two fingers from the county board with the seats being handed out along with asking you to pay 280 euros for this pleasure!
according to today's Western the county board have said that the ticket allocation to mayo is down on last years despite having the minors as well. the article claims that they have complined about it but don't think it will make much difference. they also imply that the bad seats going to cairde members is somehow not their fault, that these were the tickets issued by croke park.
when the club tickets get sent out it will tell a tale about the Cairde Tickets.
if the club tickets are total crap (like the cairde) then its safe to assume the Co Board will have hoarded the best for corporates etc.
however, if the club tickets are better than the Cairde - then it will really will have been a 2 fingers to the Cairde members. lots of them pissed off since saturday.
time will tell
Last year for GAA Seasonally Ticket (Mayo) got section 305 / some had 306. So I'm hoping it's the same again this year!!
Quote from: guy crouchback on September 09, 2013, 10:58:24 AM
according to today's Western the county board have said that the ticket allocation to mayo is down on last years despite having the minors as well. the article claims that they have complined about it but don't think it will make much difference. they also imply that the bad seats going to cairde members is somehow not their fault, that these were the tickets issued by croke park.
Haven't seen the WP today yet, but if our ticket allocation is down then things are worse than I thought. It will indeed be interesting to see if club allocations are better/worse than last year. Will Diblin gwt more despite no minors?
apparently the 2 competing finalists get a ticket allocation based on the number of clubs in their county so Dublin will get a higher allocation then mayo.
I'd presume so, more clubs, more members = more tickets
Different things season ticket and cairde maigh eo ticket. I was in 305 with the season ticket for the semi
Quote from: guy crouchback on September 09, 2013, 01:35:41 PM
apparently the 2 competing finalists get a ticket allocation based on the number of clubs in their county so Dublin will get a higher allocation then mayo.
Nope and incorrect. Counties get same allocation each with Mayo getting I think 2 or 3,000 extra because of their minors being there also.
For the hurling they has a 'team of the 80's' parade thing which was made up of non AI winners either before or at half time.
I caught the end of something on the radio which sounds like it will be similar for the football. Anyone hear what the team is?
Quote from: Canalman on September 09, 2013, 02:05:18 PM
Quote from: guy crouchback on September 09, 2013, 01:35:41 PM
apparently the 2 competing finalists get a ticket allocation based on the number of clubs in their county so Dublin will get a higher allocation then mayo.
Nope and incorrect. Counties get same allocation each with Mayo getting I think 2 or 3,000 extra because of their minors being there also.
Yeah that what I was led to believe that the two senior got the same allocation with the two minor got a smaller but egual allocation with the rest going to sponsorship/corporate/the other counites!
Quote from: highorlow on September 09, 2013, 02:17:25 PM
For the hurling they has a 'team of the 80's' parade thing which was made up of non AI winners either before or at half time.
I caught the end of something on the radio which sounds like it will be similar for the football. Anyone hear what the team is?
Hope this is the case, Monaghan might get a representative on that line up.
Quote from: Bingo on September 09, 2013, 02:47:23 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 09, 2013, 02:17:25 PM
For the hurling they has a 'team of the 80's' parade thing which was made up of non AI winners either before or at half time.
I caught the end of something on the radio which sounds like it will be similar for the football. Anyone hear what the team is?
Hope this is the case, Monaghan might get a representative on that line up.
I believe it to be the case. Mayo may have a representative on it too.
Haven't seen the western but it really beggars belief we are down on allocation from last year, there is something really amiss with this carry on.
Quote from: highorlow on September 09, 2013, 02:17:25 PM
For the hurling they has a 'team of the 80's' parade thing which was made up of non AI winners either before or at half time.
I caught the end of something on the radio which sounds like it will be similar for the football. Anyone hear what the team is?
Declan Browne, Mattie Forde & Ken Mortimer will surely be there
Quote from: Bingo on September 09, 2013, 02:47:23 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 09, 2013, 02:17:25 PM
For the hurling they has a 'team of the 80's' parade thing which was made up of non AI winners either before or at half time.
I caught the end of something on the radio which sounds like it will be similar for the football. Anyone hear what the team is?
Hope this is the case, Monaghan might get a representative on that line up.
The team is as follows:
1. BRIAN McALINDEN (Armagh / Sarsfields): First-choice goalkeeper with Armagh from 1976 until late 1980s. Won 4 Railway Cup medals and in 1986 was reserve 'keeper for the International Rules series in Australia. Formerly joint county manager with Brian Canavan.
2. HARRY KEEGAN (Roscommon / Castlerea): Regarded as one of the greatest corner backs to play with Roscommon, he was named on their 'Best Team of the Last 25 years.' Won All Star awards in 1978, 1980 and 1986.
3. KEVIN KEHILLY (Cork / Newcestown): Played in 1974 and 1983 All-Ireland semi-finals with Cork. Winner of five Railway Cup medals and All Stars in 1980 and 1982. Was trainer with Cork's treble-winning hurling team of the seventies.
4. SÉAMUS McHUGH (Galway / Headford): Made senior debut with Galway in 1975 and captained team in the 1983 All-Ireland final. An All Star winner in 1981 and 1984, he played eight games in the International Rules Series, including the inaugural Australian tour in 1986.
5. JIM REILLY (Cavan / Kingscourt): A household name in Cavan all through the eighties, he played in all three tests in the 1987 International Rules Series. He won Railway Cup medals in 1983, 1984 and 1989.
6. CIARÁN MURRAY (Monaghan / Clones): Member of the Monaghan team which won the League title in 1985, he played six games in the International Rules series. An All Star award winner in 1985, in later years he gained notoriety as physiotherapist to the Irish soccer team.
7. COLM BROWNE (Laois / Portlaoise): Won an All-Ireland club medal in 1983 and Railway Cup medals in 1985, 1986 and 1987 – when he played in the final test against Australia. Won an All Star award in 1986 and managed Laois and Tipperary.
8. DERMOT EARLEY (Roscommon / Michael Glaveys/Sarsfields, Newbridge, RIP): Played with Roscommon for twenty years and is regarded as one of the greatest footballers never to win an All-Ireland, A member of the last Connacht team to win the Railway Cup in 1969, he won the county's first All Star in 1974 and another in 1979. Managed Roscommon and Kildare.
9. WILLIE JOE PADDEN (Mayo / Belmullet): Voted fourth best ever midfielder in a national poll, he was especially renowned for his high-fielding ability. Won an All Star in 1985 and another in 1989, when he played with Mayo in the All-Ireland final.
10. PETER McGINNITY (Fermanagh / Roslea): Won county medals in his native Fermanagh and Antrim – lining out with St. John's in the 1978 All-Ireland club final. Winner of Railway Cup medals in 1979, 1980, 1983 and 1984 and the county's first All Star winner in 1982. Co-commentator with BBC Ulster in their TV coverage.
11. EUGENE McKENNA (Tyrone / Augher): Tyrone's captain in their first All-Ireland senior final appearance in 1986, he won All Star awards in 1984, 1986 and 1989 and won Railway Cup medals in 1983, 1984 and 1989. Involved with Art McRory in the management of the county team in the late 90s.
12. KEVIN O'BRIEN (Wicklow / Baltinglass): Played four times for Ireland, including the tour to Australia in 1990 – when he was Wicklow's first All Star recipient and won an All-Ireland club medal. A Railway Cup medal-winner in 1986 and 1996, he was a selector with Mick O'Dwyer.
13. EUGENE 'NUDIE' HUGHES (Monaghan / Castleblaney): Monaghan's first All Star in 1979 and again honoured in 1985 and 1988 – one of a select group to win awards in defence and attack. Member of NFL-winning side of 1985 and Railway Cup winner in 1980, 1983 and 1984.
4. FRANK McGUIGAN (Tyrone / Ardboe): A legend in Tyrone, forever remembered for his 0-11 in the 1984 Ulster final, he won an All Star and Railway Cup medal the same year. Captain in the 1972 All-Ireland minor final, he played in the senior semi-final the following year. Career interrupted when he spent several years in the US and ended prematurely by a serious injury.
15. TONY McMANUS (Roscommon / Clan na nGael): An All-Ireland Under-21 medal winner with Roscommon in 1978. Won six Connacht senior medals and a key figure in his club's pre-eminence in the province in the 80s. An All Star winner in 1989, he won three Sigerson Cup medals with UCD.
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Quote from: macdanger2 on September 09, 2013, 05:18:32 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 09, 2013, 02:17:25 PM
For the hurling they has a 'team of the 80's' parade thing which was made up of non AI winners either before or at half time.
I caught the end of something on the radio which sounds like it will be similar for the football. Anyone hear what the team is?
Declan Browne, Mattie Forde & Ken Mortimer will surely be there
Jaysus, shows what I know :o
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 09, 2013, 05:27:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 09, 2013, 05:18:32 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 09, 2013, 02:17:25 PM
For the hurling they has a 'team of the 80's' parade thing which was made up of non AI winners either before or at half time.
I caught the end of something on the radio which sounds like it will be similar for the football. Anyone hear what the team is?
Declan Browne, Mattie Forde & Ken Mortimer will surely be there
Jaysus, shows what I know :o
Well if it was Team of the 90s you might have been right ;)
Great to see Dermot, Harry and Tony Mac represented. When they get around to the 90's Dermot Jr. is sure to take his fathers spot on that (somewhat) unfortunate team.
Now, just to get the ticket.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 09, 2013, 05:32:02 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 09, 2013, 05:27:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 09, 2013, 05:18:32 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 09, 2013, 02:17:25 PM
For the hurling they has a 'team of the 80's' parade thing which was made up of non AI winners either before or at half time.
I caught the end of something on the radio which sounds like it will be similar for the football. Anyone hear what the team is?
Declan Browne, Mattie Forde & Ken Mortimer will surely be there
Jaysus, shows what I know :o
Well if it was Team of the 90s you might have been right ;)
Ah, didn't realise it was only the 80s
Quote from: AMayoFan on September 09, 2013, 12:41:24 PM
Last year for GAA Seasonally Ticket (Mayo) got section 305 / some had 306. So I'm hoping it's the same again this year!!
Yeah, we were in 305 last year, but with Dublin in it I'm expecting to be pushed out to 306/307. Still a lot better than where Cairdre Maigheo are in 312 ;D
Quote from: mayo.mick on September 09, 2013, 08:23:54 PM
Quote from: AMayoFan on September 09, 2013, 12:41:24 PM
Last year for GAA Seasonally Ticket (Mayo) got section 305 / some had 306. So I'm hoping it's the same again this year!!
Yeah, we were in 305 last year, but with Dublin in it I'm expecting to be pushed out to 306/307. Still a lot better than where Cairdre Maigheo are in 312 ;D
not true.......................i was usually in 304/305 this year but pushed into 404 for the semi / kerry horde and event junkies >:(
Same last year shifted and a massive amount of mayo buckos dominated the 305/306 section in the semi
Quote from: Syferus on September 09, 2013, 05:39:37 PM
Great to see Dermot, Harry and Tony Mac represented. When they get around to the 90's Dermot Jr. is sure to take his fathers spot on that (somewhat) unfortunate team.
Now, just to get the ticket.
For what? Leonard Cohen not sold out yet. Now that s a gig worth seeing. I ve been lucky to see him twice. I d attend again but a drive up and down midweek to the O2 and work the next day is a bit ruff. What you need a ticket for?
Quote from: moysider on September 10, 2013, 12:14:21 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 09, 2013, 05:39:37 PM
Great to see Dermot, Harry and Tony Mac represented. When they get around to the 90's Dermot Jr. is sure to take his fathers spot on that (somewhat) unfortunate team.
Now, just to get the ticket.
For what? Leonard Cohen not sold out yet. Now that s a gig worth seeing. I ve been lucky to see him twice. I d attend again but a drive up and down midweek to the O2 and work the next day is a bit ruff. What you need a ticket for?
I was going to give any spares I get from my powerful connections to some ickle Rhubs but I think I'll post them up to Squire instead.
Quote from: mayo.mick on September 09, 2013, 08:23:54 PM
Quote from: AMayoFan on September 09, 2013, 12:41:24 PM
Last year for GAA Seasonally Ticket (Mayo) got section 305 / some had 306. So I'm hoping it's the same again this year!!
Yeah, we were in 305 last year, but with Dublin in it I'm expecting to be pushed out to 306/307. Still a lot better than where Cairdre Maigheo are in 312 ;D
Eh? What s the agenda here. Basically Cairde people paid 560 euro this year for 2 iffy tickets and thats OK?
Fine and I m not moaning ( even though there is a lot of moaning about). I wouldnt expect anything else. But there is a bit of a smell of a killing in all this. Everybody knows nobody will curl up their nose to any ticket right now even though they re being strung up. But there could be a downside to all this. Mayo will probably be back for a 3 in a row next year but it wont last for ever. The county board debt will last for a long time though and if we get another Pateen Holmes or Fr. John after the Horan era ( which win or lose, probably has less than 2 weeks left), it ll be hard work to shift Cairde tickets or any ticket. Geese that lay golden eggs dont live that long.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 09, 2013, 05:18:32 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 09, 2013, 02:17:25 PM
For the hurling they has a 'team of the 80's' parade thing which was made up of non AI winners either before or at half time.
I caught the end of something on the radio which sounds like it will be similar for the football. Anyone hear what the team is?
Declan Browne, Mattie Forde & Ken Mortimer will surely be there
Think you're mixing up 80s and 90s there (00s in the case of Forde)
Moysider,you bring up an interesting point about Horans tenure coming to an end in 2 weeks.A very sobering thought I may add if it comes to pass.I suppose now is not the time to be bringing this up but fellas like Horan do not grow on trees and it is still a shuddering thought that the county board very nearly did not appoint him.
Ticket frenzy is really going to build up in Dublin next week. Word is that numbers of tickets going to clubs will be significantly down on 2011 due to season tickets and our minors not being involved this time. I'd say there's going to be all out war in some clubs regarding how their tickets get allocated!
I normally hate this stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsoB8Z1ukMU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsoB8Z1ukMU)
Quote from: Hound on September 10, 2013, 09:39:44 AM
Ticket frenzy is really going to build up in Dublin next week. Word is that numbers of tickets going to clubs will be significantly down on 2011 due to season tickets and our minors not being involved this time. I'd say there's going to be all out war in some clubs regarding how their tickets get allocated!
Season tickets have expanded the last couple of years and they come out of the counties allocation.
Means a lot less tickets than clubs got in 2011.
Think I'll switch my phone off until Sunday week.
Quote from: muppet on September 10, 2013, 09:40:12 AM
I normally hate this stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsoB8Z1ukMU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsoB8Z1ukMU)
Thats awful...........................better than any of our efforts so far though
Any word on the COCs movement.........................is he get any rotation on it ???
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 10, 2013, 10:03:50 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 10, 2013, 09:40:12 AM
I normally hate this stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsoB8Z1ukMU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsoB8Z1ukMU)
Thats awful...........................better than any of our efforts so far though
Any word on the COCs movement.........................is he get any rotation on it ???
The poor lad could probably dislocate it reaching up for the x-rated mags at this stage.
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2013, 10:08:01 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 10, 2013, 10:03:50 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 10, 2013, 09:40:12 AM
I normally hate this stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsoB8Z1ukMU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsoB8Z1ukMU)
Thats awful...........................better than any of our efforts so far though
Any word on the COCs movement.........................is he get any rotation on it ???
The poor lad could probably dislocate it reaching up for the x-rated mags at this stage.
Are ye that backward in Ros that ye still have to resort to mags!? ;)
Quote from: muppet on September 10, 2013, 09:40:12 AM
I normally hate this stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsoB8Z1ukMU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsoB8Z1ukMU)
I
normally hate this stuff:
Quote from: moysider on September 10, 2013, 10:13:00 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 10, 2013, 09:40:12 AM
I normally hate this stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsoB8Z1ukMU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsoB8Z1ukMU)
I normally hate this stuff:
(http://www.advertiser.ie/images/2011/03/37708_thumb.jpg)
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 10, 2013, 10:17:03 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 10, 2013, 10:13:00 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 10, 2013, 09:40:12 AM
I normally hate this stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsoB8Z1ukMU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsoB8Z1ukMU)
I normally hate this stuff:
(http://www.advertiser.ie/images/2011/03/37708_thumb.jpg)
this is the best one by a country mile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=174-r8p2hJc
Ticket situation is becoming pretty desperate:
(http://cdn.themetapicture.com/media/funny-duck-protest-crowd.jpg)
Why don't they put a big screen in Parnell park for the Dubs and another in the Aviva for Mayo fans who won't get tickets. It might not be as good as being there but it would still be a great atmosphere.
Good revenue to be made from it as well.
Tickets always become available nearer the time as far as I see every year
Quote from: muppet on September 10, 2013, 11:28:19 AM
Ticket situation is becoming pretty desperate:
(http://cdn.themetapicture.com/media/funny-duck-protest-crowd.jpg)
While the County Council seem pretty happy with the tickets they have syphoned off...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTt02XQCcAEfVQa.jpg)
I will swap 2 Premium all Ireland HURLING replay tickets for Saturday 28th Sep, they are Hogan Stand, for the football final Dublin v Mayo. Do not email me looking to buy the hurling tickets as I won't reply, sorry but i'm only interested in a swap - 2 premium football for the 2 premium hurling I have!
P.S. I am NOT a tout or trying to make a quick buck, I'm a genuine fan and wouldn't dream of ripping off other supporters.
Thanks!
QuoteWhy don't they put a big screen in Parnell park for the Dubs and another in the Aviva for Mayo fans who won't get tickets. It might not be as good as being there but it would still be a great atmosphere.
Good revenue to be made from it as well.
Tickets always become available nearer the time as far as I see every year
Good idea that - or even a screen in Stephen's Green or somewhere central for everyone. Think it'll be harder this year fro tickets due to the season ticket holders allocation being taken from the counties
QuoteThink I'll switch my phone off until Sunday week.
- Only take calls from numbers you know heffo ;) ;)
Quote from: Declan on September 10, 2013, 12:07:23 PM
QuoteWhy don't they put a big screen in Parnell park for the Dubs and another in the Aviva for Mayo fans who won't get tickets. It might not be as good as being there but it would still be a great atmosphere.
Good revenue to be made from it as well.
Tickets always become available nearer the time as far as I see every year
Good idea that - or even a screen in Stephen's Green or somewhere central for everyone. Think it'll be harder this year fro tickets due to the season ticket holders allocation being taken from the counties
QuoteThink I'll switch my phone off until Sunday week.
- Only take calls from numbers you know heffo ;) ;)
So Stephen s Green is central for somebody from Achill?
Seriously though, I m hearing Pearse St. in Ballina planning a big screen. It had one for a homecoming event that clashed with The Donegal game and it was a good buzz I hear.
QuoteSo Stephen s Green is central for somebody from Achill?
Obviously not - the original suggestion was for separate ones in Dublin presumably for people who didn't have a ticket but had traveled up.
Quote from: moysider on September 10, 2013, 01:47:39 PM
Quote from: Declan on September 10, 2013, 12:07:23 PM
QuoteWhy don't they put a big screen in Parnell park for the Dubs and another in the Aviva for Mayo fans who won't get tickets. It might not be as good as being there but it would still be a great atmosphere.
Good revenue to be made from it as well.
Tickets always become available nearer the time as far as I see every year
Good idea that - or even a screen in Stephen's Green or somewhere central for everyone. Think it'll be harder this year fro tickets due to the season ticket holders allocation being taken from the counties
QuoteThink I'll switch my phone off until Sunday week.
- Only take calls from numbers you know heffo ;) ;)
So Stephen s Green is central for somebody from Achill?
Seriously though, I m hearing Pearse St. in Ballina planning a big screen. It had one for a homecoming event that clashed with The Donegal game and it was a good buzz I hear.
NAAAAAAA GARDAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Health and Safety buckos .......................................sure the pubs will be filled anyways
Joe McQuillan is the ref for the game.
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 10, 2013, 04:09:01 PM
Joe McQuillan is the ref for the game.
I presume thats a joke
Edit: Oh f**k, its not a joke
http://www.independent.ie/sport/joe-mcquillan-to-referee-dublinmayo-allireland-29568435.html
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 10, 2013, 04:22:19 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 10, 2013, 04:09:01 PM
Joe McQuillan is the ref for the game.
I presume thats a joke
Edit: Oh f**k, its not a joke
http://www.independent.ie/sport/joe-mcquillan-to-referee-dublinmayo-allireland-29568435.html
Meh, expected as much.
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 10, 2013, 04:09:01 PM
Joe McQuillan is the ref for the game.
Any statisticians out there have the respective win/loss ratio for Mayo and Dublin anytime Joe has reffed their games?
He had them for four of their six matches in 2011
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2013, 04:25:55 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 10, 2013, 04:09:01 PM
Joe McQuillan is the ref for the game.
Any statisticians out there have the respective win/loss ratio for Mayo and Dublin anytime Joe has reffed their games?
Im sure the lads in kildare will have an answer to that with all their bloody game of inches crap...............................tis football not american football
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 10, 2013, 04:29:24 PM
He had them for four of their six matches in 2011
Its on the day wouldn't read too much into it....................................
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 10, 2013, 04:09:01 PM
Joe McQuillan is the ref for the game.
He shouldn't make to much of balls of it mainly due to the fact that he is equally inconsistent to both teams. 2009 he made a couple of nightmare calls against us v Meath but last year he managed to let the game flow against the Dubs and didn't punish our systematic fouling near the end of the game. Against Donegal this year he did favour them in the 50/50 challenges but at that stage we were about 7 points up so I think he might have being doing it subconsciously as would be only human in those circumstances like Deegan in the final last year.
Disappointed with that. I was hoping for a Meath man of all things! (Coldrick)
THE JAMES HORAN CAP FOR THE FINAL NOW IN STORES
(http://www.absolutely-unbelievable.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/tin-foil-hat.jpg)
Quote from: Hound on September 10, 2013, 04:39:23 PM
Did he not do the semi last year between us?
Disappointed with that. I was hoping for a Meath man of all things! (Coldrick)
I don't think the ref can be from one of the provinces taking part in the final. It could be worse hound, if there wasn't a Connacht team in the final you could be looking at having Marty Duffy ref the game :o!!!!!!!!!
He did the league semi-final between the two teams earlier this year.
His Championship matches this year
Donegal vs Tyrone
Donegal vs Mayo
Kildare vs Tyrone
Kildare vs Dublin
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 10, 2013, 04:41:27 PM
THE JAMES HORAN CAP FOR THE FINAL NOW IN STORES
(http://www.absolutely-unbelievable.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/tin-foil-hat.jpg)
Jim Gavin's reaction to the above:
(http://nestaquin.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/ken.jpg?w=500)
Quote from: muppet on September 10, 2013, 04:45:45 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 10, 2013, 04:41:27 PM
THE JAMES HORAN CAP FOR THE FINAL NOW IN STORES
(http://www.absolutely-unbelievable.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/tin-foil-hat.jpg)
Jim Gavin's reaction to the above:
(http://nestaquin.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/ken.jpg?w=500)
OR
(http://www.adrianmeliaphoto.com/imgs/gallerylarge/a4a_10239_17475574.jpeg)
Dublin bound to be very happy at the appointment of Joe for another final.
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 10, 2013, 04:41:53 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 10, 2013, 04:39:23 PM
Did he not do the semi last year between us?
Disappointed with that. I was hoping for a Meath man of all things! (Coldrick)
I don't think the ref can be from one of the provinces taking part in the final. It could be worse hound, if there wasn't a Connacht team in the final you could be looking at having Marty Duffy ref the game :o!!!!!!!!!
That definitely would be worse!
Quote from: orangeman on September 10, 2013, 04:56:08 PM
Dublin bound to be very happy at the appointment of Joe for another final.
Horan too seems he gave Mayo everything last year in the semi after falling for Horans bullshit lies of reffing A VS B games
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 10, 2013, 04:34:27 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2013, 04:25:55 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 10, 2013, 04:09:01 PM
Joe McQuillan is the ref for the game.
Any statisticians out there have the respective win/loss ratio for Mayo and Dublin anytime Joe has reffed their games?
Im sure the lads in kildare will have an answer to that with all their bloody game of inches crap...............................tis football not american football
How....................................old....................................are....................................you....................?
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 10, 2013, 05:02:48 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 10, 2013, 04:56:08 PM
Dublin bound to be very happy at the appointment of Joe for another final.
Horan too seems he gave Mayo everything last year in the semi after falling for Horans bullshit lies of reffing A VS B games
Nope, Horan never said that, he was commenting on a question from the irish examiner journalist Terry Reilly who asked him what he thought of Joe's appointment especially since he had been reffing Dublin "A v B games"
"He's a top-class inter-county referee," he said.
"There's a lot of commentary out there that he is very familiar with the Dublin set up and, as you said, he refereed a lot of their A versus B games this year. But, look, we're happy with the referee that's appointed. There's a review committee there so if there was any questionable decisions they'd review that.
"We just go with the referees that are there. I have a lot of Kerry friends from last year that weren't too happy with some of his decisions but sin scéal eile.
"The referee has been appointed. The review committee is there to judge referees and that's not for us to do. I'm sure refereeing A versus B games will have no bearing on his performance against us in Croker."
And JH had a look at the crystal ball last week and predicted Joe for this one, I must get the Lotto numbers off him:
Horan expects that Joe McQuillan will be appointed match referee sometime next week, but doesn't expect the same focus of attention on cynical fouling as there was in the week of last year's final.
"There might be more pressure on the ref than any of the teams, whoever is selected. And more than likely it will be Joe if you look at the data," he said.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 10, 2013, 05:02:48 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 10, 2013, 04:56:08 PM
Dublin bound to be very happy at the appointment of Joe for another final.
Horan too seems he gave Mayo everything last year in the semi after falling for Horans bullshit lies of reffing A VS B games
Same ref? Mayo should be happy enough or will he favour the Dubs this time?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2013, 05:25:53 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 10, 2013, 04:34:27 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2013, 04:25:55 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 10, 2013, 04:09:01 PM
Joe McQuillan is the ref for the game.
Any statisticians out there have the respective win/loss ratio for Mayo and Dublin anytime Joe has reffed their games?
Im sure the lads in kildare will have an answer to that with all their bloody game of inches crap...............................tis football not american football
How....................................old....................................are....................................you....................?
Irrelevant, most recently it was you trying to dig out the vid of p mcmahon with the foot to the head of cooper and now you want a statistical breakdown of the matches Joe reffed involving Dublin
Quote from: iorras on September 10, 2013, 05:39:47 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 10, 2013, 05:02:48 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 10, 2013, 04:56:08 PM
Dublin bound to be very happy at the appointment of Joe for another final.
Horan too seems he gave Mayo everything last year in the semi after falling for Horans bullshit lies of reffing A VS B games
Nope, Horan never said that, he was commenting on a question from the irish examiner journalist Terry Reilly who asked him what he thought of Joe's appointment especially since he had been reffing Dublin "A v B games"
"He's a top-class inter-county referee," he said.
"There's a lot of commentary out there that he is very familiar with the Dublin set up and, as you said, he refereed a lot of their A versus B games this year. But, look, we're happy with the referee that's appointed. There's a review committee there so if there was any questionable decisions they'd review that.
"We just go with the referees that are there. I have a lot of Kerry friends from last year that weren't too happy with some of his decisions but sin scéal eile.
"The referee has been appointed. The review committee is there to judge referees and that's not for us to do. I'm sure refereeing A versus B games will have no bearing on his performance against us in Croker."
And JH had a look at the crystal ball last week and predicted Joe for this one, I must get the Lotto numbers off him:
Horan expects that Joe McQuillan will be appointed match referee sometime next week, but doesn't expect the same focus of attention on cynical fouling as there was in the week of last year's final.
"There might be more pressure on the ref than any of the teams, whoever is selected. And more than likely it will be Joe if you look at the data," he said.
i most be going stupid! From my reading of you're post he said exactly that !
Quote from: Johnnybegood on September 10, 2013, 08:45:22 PM
Quote from: iorras on September 10, 2013, 05:39:47 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 10, 2013, 05:02:48 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 10, 2013, 04:56:08 PM
Dublin bound to be very happy at the appointment of Joe for another final.
Horan too seems he gave Mayo everything last year in the semi after falling for Horans bullshit lies of reffing A VS B games
Nope, Horan never said that, he was commenting on a question from the irish examiner journalist Terry Reilly who asked him what he thought of Joe's appointment especially since he had been reffing Dublin "A v B games"
"He's a top-class inter-county referee," he said.
"There's a lot of commentary out there that he is very familiar with the Dublin set up and, as you said, he refereed a lot of their A versus B games this year. But, look, we're happy with the referee that's appointed. There's a review committee there so if there was any questionable decisions they'd review that.
"We just go with the referees that are there. I have a lot of Kerry friends from last year that weren't too happy with some of his decisions but sin scéal eile.
"The referee has been appointed. The review committee is there to judge referees and that's not for us to do. I'm sure refereeing A versus B games will have no bearing on his performance against us in Croker."
And JH had a look at the crystal ball last week and predicted Joe for this one, I must get the Lotto numbers off him:
Horan expects that Joe McQuillan will be appointed match referee sometime next week, but doesn't expect the same focus of attention on cynical fouling as there was in the week of last year's final.
"There might be more pressure on the ref than any of the teams, whoever is selected. And more than likely it will be Joe if you look at the data," he said.
i most be going stupid! From my reading of you're post he said exactly that !
Nah. The journalist said it and Horan seems to have thought that young Reilly would have his facts straight. Horan does not appear to have got too upset about it anyway and said it would have ne bearing on his performance anyway.
Look the ref has been appointed and that s that. I ve no problem with McQuillan s appointment - though I might after the match ;D. Teams cant get hung up on the ref. either, and they ll be more tuned into his ways than we are. From a Mayo point of view we have to bring a savage intensity to proceedings from the off. That s the most important thing. It doesn t matter who the ref is we will have to go about it the same way anyway.
Quote from: moysider on September 10, 2013, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: Johnnybegood on September 10, 2013, 08:45:22 PM
Quote from: iorras on September 10, 2013, 05:39:47 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 10, 2013, 05:02:48 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 10, 2013, 04:56:08 PM
Dublin bound to be very happy at the appointment of Joe for another final.
Horan too seems he gave Mayo everything last year in the semi after falling for Horans bullshit lies of reffing A VS B games
Nope, Horan never said that, he was commenting on a question from the irish examiner journalist Terry Reilly who asked him what he thought of Joe's appointment especially since he had been reffing Dublin "A v B games"
"He's a top-class inter-county referee," he said.
"There's a lot of commentary out there that he is very familiar with the Dublin set up and, as you said, he refereed a lot of their A versus B games this year. But, look, we're happy with the referee that's appointed. There's a review committee there so if there was any questionable decisions they'd review that.
"We just go with the referees that are there. I have a lot of Kerry friends from last year that weren't too happy with some of his decisions but sin scéal eile.
"The referee has been appointed. The review committee is there to judge referees and that's not for us to do. I'm sure refereeing A versus B games will have no bearing on his performance against us in Croker."
And JH had a look at the crystal ball last week and predicted Joe for this one, I must get the Lotto numbers off him:
Horan expects that Joe McQuillan will be appointed match referee sometime next week, but doesn't expect the same focus of attention on cynical fouling as there was in the week of last year's final.
"There might be more pressure on the ref than any of the teams, whoever is selected. And more than likely it will be Joe if you look at the data," he said.
i most be going stupid! From my reading of you're post he said exactly that !
Nah. The journalist said it and Horan seems to have thought that young Reilly would have his facts straight. Horan does not appear to have got too upset about it anyway and said it would have ne bearing on his performance anyway.
Look the ref has been appointed and that s that. I ve no problem with McQuillan s appointment - though I might after the match ;D. Teams cant get hung up on the ref. either, and they ll be more tuned into his ways than we are. From a Mayo point of view we have to bring a savage intensity to proceedings from the off. That s the most important thing. It doesn t matter who the ref is we will have to go about it the same way anyway.
meh! He had no problem picking it up and running with it to his advantage!
My own opinions on referees is they are players also and do their best to be fair. It's a bloody hard job and I think the payers have to take responsibility to cut out any cynical stuff and lazy tackles and forwards hitting the deck with the slightest contact. Hopefully genuine attempts to win the ball in the tackle are not penalised and we have a gud free flowing physical final.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 10, 2013, 07:56:37 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2013, 05:25:53 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 10, 2013, 04:34:27 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2013, 04:25:55 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 10, 2013, 04:09:01 PM
Joe McQuillan is the ref for the game.
Any statisticians out there have the respective win/loss ratio for Mayo and Dublin anytime Joe has reffed their games?
Im sure the lads in kildare will have an answer to that with all their bloody game of inches crap...............................tis football not american football
How....................................old....................................are....................................you....................?
Irrelevant, most recently it was you trying to dig out the vid of p mcmahon with the foot to the head of cooper and now you want a statistical breakdown of the matches Joe reffed involving Dublin
You're a child so very relevant. I asked of both teams because I was pretty sure people would reference the perception Joe McQ been biased in favour of Dublin so wanted to see how it stood up on a pretty raw level. Since you seem perceive any criticism of Dublin as some injustice on the level of Nelson Madela's imprisonment I leave shall you to your ellipses in the hope that some day you do actually trail off...
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 10, 2013, 05:02:48 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 10, 2013, 04:56:08 PM
Dublin bound to be very happy at the appointment of Joe for another final.
Horan too seems he gave Mayo everything last year in the semi after falling for Horans bullshit lies of reffing A VS B games
Ya have to love the way this story has grown legs and then more legs.
He did f**king ref Dublin a v b games.
The Internet is a mighty tool but by f**k does it give people a license to convince you of pure lies as gospel truth.
I repeat Joe Mquillan has in the past refereed Dublin a v b games.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 10, 2013, 11:24:29 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 10, 2013, 05:02:48 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 10, 2013, 04:56:08 PM
Dublin bound to be very happy at the appointment of Joe for another final.
Horan too seems he gave Mayo everything last year in the semi after falling for Horans bullshit lies of reffing A VS B games
Ya have to love the way this story has grown legs and then more legs.
He did f**king ref Dublin a v b games.
The Internet is a mighty tool but by f**k does it give people a license to convince you of pure lies as gospel truth.
I repeat Joe Mquillan has in the past refereed Dublin a v b games.
If he did or he did not, Horan did not get in much of a sweat about it anyway. Dunno what the fuss is about? Horan had no problem with it 2 years ago, why should we have now?
Look, the non -Ivy League teams will always be wary of treatment by refs. at this time of year. Clare s riding last Sunday would not do the nerves much good. Tradition my hole. Sometimes the ref. keeps the ould tradition bubbling along nicely. But from a Mayo/Clare point of view we cannot not show up. Hopefully McQuillan will not do a McEneneaney on it and cave in.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 10, 2013, 11:24:29 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 10, 2013, 05:02:48 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 10, 2013, 04:56:08 PM
Dublin bound to be very happy at the appointment of Joe for another final.
Horan too seems he gave Mayo everything last year in the semi after falling for Horans bullshit lies of reffing A VS B games
Ya have to love the way this story has grown legs and then more legs.
He did f**king ref Dublin a v b games.
The Internet is a mighty tool but by f**k does it give people a license to convince you of pure lies as gospel truth.
I repeat Joe Mquillan has in the past refereed Dublin a v b games.
And you know this because....?
Pure boll*x! And not for the first time youre talking through your cake.....!
Shocked he has got two finals in three years. God help football if he is the best ref out there.
GAA has done him no favours either as the preception is there (righrly or wrongly) that he is too familar with Dublin and this preception will be fed by every free he gives them. Crazy own goal by the GAA. He has done Dublin A vs B games in the past and was quoted that his favourite moment was being on the pitch for the Dublin goal in 2011 so he has done himself no favours either. http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056501759/1/#post76287562
I don't know whether he has or hasn't, but can anyone post actual evidence that McQuillan has reffed Dublin A vs. B games?
Quote from: larryin89 on September 10, 2013, 11:24:29 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 10, 2013, 05:02:48 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 10, 2013, 04:56:08 PM
Dublin bound to be very happy at the appointment of Joe for another final.
Horan too seems he gave Mayo everything last year in the semi after falling for Horans bullshit lies of reffing A VS B games
He did f**king ref Dublin a v b games.
I repeat Joe Mquillan has in the past refereed Dublin a v b games.
No he didn't. You can repeat it all you like. Doesn't make it true.
Here is an article after last years Dublin / Mayo game where the bould Pat McEnaney discusses Joe and the Dubs - http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2012/0904/ireland/blood-subs-come-under-scrutiny-206384.html
So in 2012 he had not done an internal training game for two years and he took the FF defense before that (can't remember). Either he did or he didn't the can't remember line isn't great.
Joe would have been better to come out and say I did these games in the past and as an intercounty ref I shouldn't have. As usual the story is more in the cover-up than the event. If in fact he did any in house matches as if Joe can't remember we can't say for definite. I wounder does he remember the final from two years ago????
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on September 11, 2013, 08:18:26 AM
Here is an article after last years Dublin / Mayo game where the bould Pat McEnaney discusses Joe and the Dubs - http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2012/0904/ireland/blood-subs-come-under-scrutiny-206384.html
So in 2012 he had not done an internal training game for two years and he took the FF defense before that (can't remember). Either he did or he didn't the can't remember line isn't great.
Joe would have been better to come out and say I did these games in the past and as an intercounty ref I shouldn't have. As usual the story is more in the cover-up than the event. If in fact he did any in house matches as if Joe can't remember we can't say for definite. I wounder does he remember the final from two years ago????
McQuillan never reffered an A v B game for Dublin. Never!
In the past he may have reffed a challenge game involving Dublin against another county, but all refs do that! No doubt he's probably reffed Kerry, Mayo, etc in challenge games too.
I think that McEnaney tells more in what he doesn't say than in what he does (why did he put in the bit about "in the last two years"?), but I don't think it makes one iota of difference. Joe Mc knows that his performance is going to be under extreme scrutiny and he won't go out with the intention of giving either team an advantage.
I suppose the period of down time leading up to the final is going to produce these types of 'non-discussions'. Everybody wants to talk about the game, but there's (almost) nothing new to discuss.
Any word on McAuley's injury?
From a Dublin point of view I would prefer any other ref to Joe. He allowed Mayo systematically foul Dublin for the final 15 mins of last years semi final . In the quarter final v Tyrone in 2011 he completely rode Dublin. Nobody passed too may remarks at the time as Dublin won well but it was a shockingily one sided performance from him. Finally in the 2011 final he penalised Eoin Brosnan for touching the ball on the ground in the small square but incorrectly awarded a 14 yard free rather than a penalty. If he is biased towards Dublin he's not doing much of a job of showing it.
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on September 11, 2013, 09:47:21 AM
From a Dublin point of view I would prefer any other ref to Joe. He allowed Mayo systematically foul Dublin for the final 15 mins of last years semi final . In the quarter final v Tyrone in 2011 he completely rode Dublin. Nobody passed too may remarks at the time as Dublin won well but it was a shockingily one sided performance from him. Finally in the 2011 final he penalised Eoin Brosnan for touching the ball on the ground in the small square but incorrectly awarded a 14 yard free rather than a penalty. If he is biased towards Dublin he's not doing much of a job of showing it.
That's the whole point. Brosnan didn't touch it on the ground - so he gave you a free for nothing. You were looking s penalty for nothing and had to settle for a tap over free. Good deal.
Quote from: orangeman on September 11, 2013, 09:53:45 AM
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on September 11, 2013, 09:47:21 AM
From a Dublin point of view I would prefer any other ref to Joe. He allowed Mayo systematically foul Dublin for the final 15 mins of last years semi final . In the quarter final v Tyrone in 2011 he completely rode Dublin. Nobody passed too may remarks at the time as Dublin won well but it was a shockingily one sided performance from him. Finally in the 2011 final he penalised Eoin Brosnan for touching the ball on the ground in the small square but incorrectly awarded a 14 yard free rather than a penalty. If he is biased towards Dublin he's not doing much of a job of showing it.
That's the whole point. Brosnan didn't touch it on the ground - so he gave you a free for nothing. You were looking s penalty for nothing and had to settle for a tap over free. Good deal.
He definitely touched it on the ground. There was a still photo going around at the time that proved it
Anyone have there accounts debited yet for the tickets ??????????
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on September 11, 2013, 10:03:19 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 11, 2013, 09:53:45 AM
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on September 11, 2013, 09:47:21 AM
From a Dublin point of view I would prefer any other ref to Joe. He allowed Mayo systematically foul Dublin for the final 15 mins of last years semi final . In the quarter final v Tyrone in 2011 he completely rode Dublin. Nobody passed too may remarks at the time as Dublin won well but it was a shockingily one sided performance from him. Finally in the 2011 final he penalised Eoin Brosnan for touching the ball on the ground in the small square but incorrectly awarded a 14 yard free rather than a penalty. If he is biased towards Dublin he's not doing much of a job of showing it.
That's the whole point. Brosnan didn't touch it on the ground - so he gave you a free for nothing. You were looking s penalty for nothing and had to settle for a tap over free. Good deal.
He definitely touched it on the ground. There was a still photo going around at the time that proved it
There was a still photo going round a week or two ago that Jim Gavin said proved that Rory did nothing.
Poor Gooch.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 11, 2013, 10:11:01 AM
Anyone have there accounts debited yet for the tickets ??????????
No....might not get them by friday now especially if they printing your name on the ticket too.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 11, 2013, 11:14:26 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 11, 2013, 10:11:01 AM
Anyone have there accounts debited yet for the tickets ??????????
No....might not get them by friday now especially if they printing your name on the ticket too.
Thanks Ballinaman................I had to email them this morning because I was rather anxious that no money was debited and they the ones sending out the mail insisting everything be up to speed etc ;)
I actual think it's a good idea for the ref to referrer an AvB game. Doing so will give the team an expectation on what they will pull on and what they will let go. The only issue I would have if the same service isn't offered to both teams!
Lets take Deegan referring style .. he appears to come down hard at start of a game than later starts to let the game flow and develop, than in the later parts of a game he tires to even up calls to make up for mistakes. For me, this is where I get frustrated. Seeing players getting yellow cards and others not depending what stage the game is in.
I also really can't see how people think / believe that refs are intentional bias (if they do think that I, than it must be there own bias opinion). It's just not in refs interest!!! All the top inter-county refs have worked hard and spend huge amount of there personal time to reach that level. Some are better than others, but I firmly believe they're all trying to be impartial and fair where possible. That said, I won't disagree with anyone who says they need to keep improving.
Quote from: AMayoFan on September 11, 2013, 11:42:45 AM
I also really can't see how people think / believe that refs are intentional bias (if they do think that I, than it must be there own bias opinion). It's just not in refs interest!!! All the top inter-county refs have worked hard and spend huge amount of there personal time to reach that level. Some are better than others, but I firmly believe they're all trying to be impartial and fair where possible. That said, I won't disagree with anyone who says they need to keep improving.
Thats an excellent point well made.
Quote from: AMayoFan on September 11, 2013, 11:42:45 AM
I actual think it's a good idea for the ref to referrer an AvB game. Doing so will give the team an expectation on what they will pull on and what they will let go. The only issue I would have if the same service isn't offered to both teams!
Lets take Deegan referring style .. he appears to come down hard at start of a game than later starts to let the game flow and develop, than in the later parts of a game he tires to even up calls to make up for mistakes. For me, this is where I get frustrated. Seeing players getting yellow cards and others not depending what stage the game is in.
I also really can't see how people think / believe that refs are intentional bias (if they do think that I, than it must be there own bias opinion). It's just not in refs interest!!! All the top inter-county refs have worked hard and spend huge amount of there personal time to reach that level. Some are better than others, but I firmly believe they're all trying to be impartial and fair where possible. That said, I won't disagree with anyone who says they need to keep improving.
Good post.
It is a pity that we are talking about the ref, as both teams have played real attacking football, scored lots of goals and run up big scores. There are lots of positives to talk about, why look hard for a negative?
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on September 11, 2013, 08:36:57 AM
I think that McEnaney tells more in what he doesn't say than in what he does (why did he put in the bit about "in the last two years"?), but I don't think it makes one iota of difference. Joe Mc knows that his performance is going to be under extreme scrutiny and he won't go out with the intention of giving either team an advantage.
I suppose the period of down time leading up to the final is going to produce these types of 'non-discussions'. Everybody wants to talk about the game, but there's (almost) nothing new to discuss.
Any word on McAuley's injury?
Does McAuley really have an injury, or is typical pre all-ireland nonsense (last year AOSe was supposidly out morning of game)it would be very significant as midfield is probably one area where Dublin do not have a lot of cover.
Quote from: joemamas on September 11, 2013, 02:32:25 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on September 11, 2013, 08:36:57 AM
I think that McEnaney tells more in what he doesn't say than in what he does (why did he put in the bit about "in the last two years"?), but I don't think it makes one iota of difference. Joe Mc knows that his performance is going to be under extreme scrutiny and he won't go out with the intention of giving either team an advantage.
I suppose the period of down time leading up to the final is going to produce these types of 'non-discussions'. Everybody wants to talk about the game, but there's (almost) nothing new to discuss.
Any word on McAuley's injury?
Does McAuley really have an injury, or is typical pre all-ireland nonsense (last year AOSe was supposidly out morning of game)it would be very significant as midfield is probably one area where Dublin do not have a lot of cover.
Where did this rumour appear out of? Personally I don't believe info like that unless I see it in the media. If it is serious enough to be newsworthy it will make the sports section of the paper/ RTE news.
Quote from: bucko on September 11, 2013, 06:00:38 PM
Quote from: joemamas on September 11, 2013, 02:32:25 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on September 11, 2013, 08:36:57 AM
I think that McEnaney tells more in what he doesn't say than in what he does (why did he put in the bit about "in the last two years"?), but I don't think it makes one iota of difference. Joe Mc knows that his performance is going to be under extreme scrutiny and he won't go out with the intention of giving either team an advantage.
I suppose the period of down time leading up to the final is going to produce these types of 'non-discussions'. Everybody wants to talk about the game, but there's (almost) nothing new to discuss.
Any word on McAuley's injury?
Does McAuley really have an injury, or is typical pre all-ireland nonsense (last year AOSe was supposidly out morning of game)it would be very significant as midfield is probably one area where Dublin do not have a lot of cover.
Where did this rumour appear out of? Personally I don't believe info like that unless I see it in the media. If it is serious enough to be newsworthy it will make the sports section of the paper/ RTE news.
I saw him coming out of the Beacon on Tues evening with heavy strapping on his right elbow, not sure exactly what's wrong with it though
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 11, 2013, 10:46:08 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 11, 2013, 06:00:38 PM
Quote from: joemamas on September 11, 2013, 02:32:25 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on September 11, 2013, 08:36:57 AM
I think that McEnaney tells more in what he doesn't say than in what he does (why did he put in the bit about "in the last two years"?), but I don't think it makes one iota of difference. Joe Mc knows that his performance is going to be under extreme scrutiny and he won't go out with the intention of giving either team an advantage.
I suppose the period of down time leading up to the final is going to produce these types of 'non-discussions'. Everybody wants to talk about the game, but there's (almost) nothing new to discuss.
Any word on McAuley's injury?
Does McAuley really have an injury, or is typical pre all-ireland nonsense (last year AOSe was supposidly out morning of game)it would be very significant as midfield is probably one area where Dublin do not have a lot of cover.
Where did this rumour appear out of? Personally I don't believe info like that unless I see it in the media. If it is serious enough to be newsworthy it will make the sports section of the paper/ RTE news.
I saw him coming out of the Beacon on Tues evening with heavy strapping on his right elbow, not sure exactly what's wrong with it though
I'm sure the lad is fine, if there was anything wrong with him it would be in the media. If Bucko did see him with elbow strapped it was probably a precaution. Both teams/counties want to see Sam come home, but how much better will itbe on a day when Aidan, Bernard, Andy, McAuley, Higgins, Kilkenny, COC etc
have been on fire and lit Croke Park up!
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Quote from: Sam2011 on September 10, 2013, 04:09:01 PM
Joe McQuillan is the ref for the game.
Any statisticians out there have the respective win/loss ratio for Mayo and Dublin anytime Joe has reffed their games?
Im sure the lads in kildare will have an answer to that with all their bloody game of inches crap...............................tis football not american football
How....................................old....................................are....................................you....................?
Irrelevant, most recently it was you trying to dig out the vid of p mcmahon with the foot to the head of cooper and now you want a statistical breakdown of the matches Joe reffed involving Dublin
Someone did catch Cooper's head with a flying boot. I'm not aware of who he was though.
Coldrick should have got it.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 12, 2013, 09:30:07 AM
Coldrick should have got it.
I dont know whether it is an actual rule, or just the done thing, but they don't appoint a ref from the same province as one of the teams playing
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on September 12, 2013, 10:05:06 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 12, 2013, 09:30:07 AM
Coldrick should have got it.
I dont know whether it is an actual rule, or just the done thing, but they don't appoint a ref from the same province as one of the teams playing
Just had a look there, last time there was a ref involved in a final with a team from his province was when John Bannon reffed Galway Kildare in '98
Not exaclty what it says on the tin, seems they are saying we'll get more because of increased season tickets, where we should be getting more because we're in both finals
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-will-actually-get-more-tickets-not-less-than-last-year-for-all-ireland-final-1.1524181
Mayo will actually get more tickets, not less, than last year for All-Ireland final
Although exact allocation is not yet fixed GAA insist season tickets will bring up total
Croke Park has clarified details of the ticket spread for the All-Ireland football final on Sunday week after Mayo expressed concerns that their allocation would be down on last year.
Mayo face Dublin in the senior final, their second successive appearance, having lost out to Donegal last year – while their minors will also be out on the same day, playing Tyrone.
Although there is no exact allocation as this stage, the GAA are satisfied Mayo will get what they are entitled to and, if anything, it should be up on last year.
"The specific amounts would vary slightly from year to year", GAA head of media relations Alan Milton explained, "but of the 82,300, we know around 10,000 go to premium and corporate boxes, around 66,000 go for general distribution, and half of those, or 33,000, go to the participating counties, including the two minor finalists, which is this case also happen to be Mayo, against Tyrone.
"But the reality is Mayo will actually be getting a greater allocation of tickets for this year's final, when the season ticket holders are factored in as well.
"In this case we're talking about in or around 1,000 extra tickets, which go direct to the season ticket holders.
Good run
"You do see that with counties that maybe have a good run the year before, and expect to go as well again.
"With Mayo the uptake of season tickets was quite strong. We say it every year, that the season ticket is good value, and the best way to get your hands on all All-Ireland final ticket if your county gets that far.
"All season ticket holders, if they attend all their championship matches that way, are guaranteed a stand ticket for the lower Cusack Stand.
"It's one of the reasons we promote the season ticket at the start of the season, because All-Ireland tickets, as everyone knows, don't go on general sale."
Mayo press officer Aiden McLoughlin had outlined concerns over the county's allocation to the Western People:
"The amount of tickets that we got, in total this year, is not what we anticipated," he said. "We're actually down on what we got last year, even with the minors. I don't anticipate that we will be getting anymore tickets down from Croke Park, and we've expressed our dissatisfaction with that".
The confusion, however, is partly explained by the fact these season tickets are separate from the county board allocation.
Dublin would also have a larger number of clubs, although tickets are directed to the county board, and then it it's to the clubs to distribute them.
Mayo, as it turned, got their hands on 14,746 tickets for last year's final, which they lost to Donegal, and which indicates there is always a certain element of ticket exchange or swapping within the overall match allocation.
Interestingly, last Sunday's drawn All-Ireland hurling final between Clare and Cork wasn't the "virtual sell-out" normally associated with such finals: the given attendance of 81,651 fell short of the official Croke Park capacity of 82,300, despite reports of the high demand for tickets.
Marginal shortfall
There is always a marginal shortfall in attendances because some tickets simply don't make it to Croke Park on match day, although the football final has consistently drawn a crowd closer to the 82,300 capacity, thought to be explained by the greater spread of football counties prompting the greater demand.
This is reflected in the fact that in only two of the last 20 years has the hurling final attract a greater attendance than the football equivalent, however marginal.
Meanwhile, the final hurdle in the process to reappoint Jim McGuinness as Donegal football manager for a fourth season has been cleared, as clubs in the county agreed to defer 2014 the senior and intermediate championships until after the county exits the football championship.
The clubs voted 20-6 in favour at a special meeting in Ballybofey, and this should result in McGuinness now agreeing to another season.
Elsewhere, Paul Bealin was last night put before the Westmeath county board for ratification as their next football manager. The 1995 All-Ireland winner with Dublin, who previously managed Wexford and Carlow, was the preferred choice over outgoing manager Pat Flanagan.
Leitrim will also announce their new football manager tomorrow evening, with seven candidates interviewed, including the outgoing pair of Barney Breen and George Dugdale, who were forced to reapply for their job after two years in charge.
Finally, Aidan O'Shea (Mayo) and Tony Kelly (Clare) were named the GAA/GPA Players of the Month for August, in football and hurling respectively.
Both selections were chosen by the inter-county playing body, presented in recognition of the players' outstanding contributions to their counties last month.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 12, 2013, 11:39:13 AM
"But the reality is Mayo will actually be getting a greater allocation of tickets for this year's final, when the season ticket holders are factored in as well.
So because more Mayo people took up the season ticket option, we will get more tickets than last year. Are they mental? The fact that Mayo are appearing in both finals should mean an increase in allocation.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/dying-with-boots-on-a-key-lesson-for-future-champions-208834.html
Quote from: ballinaman on September 12, 2013, 01:31:03 PM
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/dying-with-boots-on-a-key-lesson-for-future-champions-208834.html
Very interesting article, I posted it up here last year after the final aswel.
It encouraged me to throw €20 on Mayo to win the All Ireland at 11/1.
You gotta' loose one to win one.
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 12, 2013, 02:01:50 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 12, 2013, 01:31:03 PM
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/dying-with-boots-on-a-key-lesson-for-future-champions-208834.html
Very interesting article, I posted it up here last year after the final aswel.
It encouraged me to throw €20 on Mayo to win the All Ireland at 11/1.
You gotta' loose one to win one.
All well and good, but you still have to go out and play the game on it's own merits and be better than the opposition.
The team in the mid-nineties lost one, and then lost another the following year. It won't just happen.
Whatever about the match is there any end to all dese bleedin mayo songs??
Couple of half decent ones alright........................................However I'm tempted to ring Joe Duffyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, in one of the videos the childrennnnnnnnnn spent most of the school day prancing around in mayo jerseys and singing, Where were the teachers ????
So the Mayo season ticket holders are taking tickets from the Mayo club members? And this is a good thing?
No i think they are saying
Mayos allocation 2013 + mayos season ticket holders > mayos allocation 2012
Is one potential flaw of the season tickets, well potentialy but not for the season ticket holder, is that they may get tickets on the double - as season ticket holder and from their club?
I assume there is no link up between any of this.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 12, 2013, 02:54:28 PM
Couple of half decent ones alright........................................However I'm tempted to ring Joe Duffyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, in one of the videos the childrennnnnnnnnn spent most of the school day prancing around in mayo jerseys and singing, Where were the teachers ????
No saturdays or sundays in Dublin? ::)
Quote from: Bingo on September 12, 2013, 03:51:33 PM
Is one potential flaw of the season tickets, well potentialy but not for the season ticket holder, is that they may get tickets on the double - as season ticket holder and from their club?
I assume there is no link up between any of this.
My own club are giving preference to people who ordered tickets from them all year - so that would exclude season ticket holders.
Also excludes me who picked up freebies for the early rounds in work and bought off tickets.ie from the Leinster final on so I'd get better seats rather than reyling on the random ones I'd get from the club. Seemed like a good idea at the time, feeling a bit thick now!
Quote from: Hound on September 12, 2013, 03:59:36 PM
Quote from: Bingo on September 12, 2013, 03:51:33 PM
Is one potential flaw of the season tickets, well potentialy but not for the season ticket holder, is that they may get tickets on the double - as season ticket holder and from their club?
I assume there is no link up between any of this.
My own club are giving preference to people who ordered tickets from them all year - so that would exclude season ticket holders.
Also excludes me who picked up freebies for the early rounds in work and bought off tickets.ie from the Leinster final on so I'd get better seats rather than reyling on the random ones I'd get from the club. Seemed like a good idea at the time, feeling a bit thick now!
Often thought that the issue of buying from tickets.ie would be a problem for people. Many clubs would probably encourage people to do so in early rounds. Mayo's early rounds and some matches may not even have been ticketed?
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Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 12, 2013, 02:54:28 PM
Couple of half decent ones alright........................................However I'm tempted to ring Joe Duffyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, in one of the videos the childrennnnnnnnnn spent most of the school day prancing around in mayo jerseys and singing, Where were the teachers ????
No saturdays or sundays in Dublin? ::)
True.
Looks like Mayo are getting good ticket allocations after all buckos
Quote from: Bingo on September 12, 2013, 05:26:32 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 12, 2013, 03:59:36 PM
Quote from: Bingo on September 12, 2013, 03:51:33 PM
Is one potential flaw of the season tickets, well potentialy but not for the season ticket holder, is that they may get tickets on the double - as season ticket holder and from their club?
I assume there is no link up between any of this.
My own club are giving preference to people who ordered tickets from them all year - so that would exclude season ticket holders.
Also excludes me who picked up freebies for the early rounds in work and bought off tickets.ie from the Leinster final on so I'd get better seats rather than reyling on the random ones I'd get from the club. Seemed like a good idea at the time, feeling a bit thick now!
Often thought that the issue of buying from tickets.ie would be a problem for people. Many clubs would probably encourage people to do so in early rounds. Mayo's early rounds and some matches may not even have been ticketed?
All Connacht championship games require tickets anymore.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 12, 2013, 07:45:16 PM
Quote from: Bingo on September 12, 2013, 05:26:32 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 12, 2013, 03:59:36 PM
Quote from: Bingo on September 12, 2013, 03:51:33 PM
Is one potential flaw of the season tickets, well potentialy but not for the season ticket holder, is that they may get tickets on the double - as season ticket holder and from their club?
I assume there is no link up between any of this.
My own club are giving preference to people who ordered tickets from them all year - so that would exclude season ticket holders.
Also excludes me who picked up freebies for the early rounds in work and bought off tickets.ie from the Leinster final on so I'd get better seats rather than reyling on the random ones I'd get from the club. Seemed like a good idea at the time, feeling a bit thick now!
Often thought that the issue of buying from tickets.ie would be a problem for people. Many clubs would probably encourage people to do so in early rounds. Mayo's early rounds and some matches may not even have been ticketed?
All Connacht championship games require tickets anymore.
Except games at Ruislip? But that has no bearing on Mayo this year!
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on September 11, 2013, 09:47:21 AM
From a Dublin point of view I would prefer any other ref to Joe. He allowed Mayo systematically foul Dublin for the final 15 mins of last years semi final . In the quarter final v Tyrone in 2011 he completely rode Dublin. Nobody passed too may remarks at the time as Dublin won well but it was a shockingily one sided performance from him. Finally in the 2011 final he penalised Eoin Brosnan for touching the ball on the ground in the small square but incorrectly awarded a 14 yard free rather than a penalty. If he is biased towards Dublin he's not doing much of a job of showing it.
Can you explain to me what exactly this means.
I know its a line you probably heard Joe Brolly spouting on TV, but can somebody explain what it means. What was systematic about the the 9 frees Mayo conceeded from the 55th min to the 77th min. As for Joe allowing it, well ye got the frees, what more should he have done
As posted earlier looks like Mayo will have at least double the support than the Dubs on Sunday week. Text received from club telling members to try and source tickets elsewhere as allocation is way way down from semi final.
According to twitter last night, Mayo clubs still haven't received their tickets.
I'm staring at Mayo flags out my window at this stage, never seen the Rhus so excited.
Move to Frenchpark for a few weeks Syfín. :D but that mightn't help either.
There's far too many of the feckers all over Ros - even saw them around darkest Ballyfarnon.
Quote from: Canalman on September 13, 2013, 12:19:28 PM
As posted earlier looks like Mayo will have at least double the support than the Dubs on Sunday week. Text received from club telling members to try and source tickets elsewhere as allocation is way way down from semi final.
i might be reading this wrong! Mayo will have at least double the support than Dublin yet mayo people are told to source tickets from outside as the allocation is way down from the semi! How will Mayo outnumber the dubs by at least 2/1?
Quote from: Johnnybegood on September 13, 2013, 02:01:49 PM
Quote from: Canalman on September 13, 2013, 12:19:28 PM
As posted earlier looks like Mayo will have at least double the support than the Dubs on Sunday week. Text received from club telling members to try and source tickets elsewhere as allocation is way way down from semi final.
i might be reading this wrong! Mayo will have at least double the support than Dublin yet mayo people are told to source tickets from outside as the allocation is way down from the semi! How will Mayo outnumber the dubs by at least 2/1?
Word to my club from DCB is that there will be no more tickets trickling back during next week. Most tickets imo will gravitate towards Mayo and fair play to them . There will over 40k Mayo fans at the final.
QuoteWord to my club from DCB is that there will be no more tickets trickling back during next week. Most tickets imo will gravitate towards Mayo and fair play to them
Yep a number of clubs had draws last night and so far none of our normal crew have been lucky. I'm sure our Mayo pals here will look after us if we get desparate next week ;)
Quote from: Declan on September 13, 2013, 03:49:17 PM
QuoteWord to my club from DCB is that there will be no more tickets trickling back during next week. Most tickets imo will gravitate towards Mayo and fair play to them
Yep a number of clubs had draws last night and so far none of our normal crew have been lucky. I'm sure our Mayo pals here will look after us if we get desparate next week ;)
Well there was a lot of tickets suddenly doing the rounds at the sevens on Sat and early Sun morning last year and they weren't Donegal tickets so it safe to say you just might miraculously end up buying a ticket off a Laois man or a Monaghan man that somehow came from Mayo like my mates last year ;).
Quote from: Syferus on September 13, 2013, 12:53:36 PM
I'm staring at Mayo flags out my window at this stage, never seen the Rhus so excited.
You camping on the Mall now?
Hearing on the grapevine that there are going to be a few surprises. One in the Full forward line and One in half forward line for the final. O'Connor is hoped to start if fit enough (and that's not one of the surprises). Hearing the group are going away for the week before (which is this week!). Are Mayo doing the usual meet and greet for the younger fans this time?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2013, 07:38:54 PM
Hearing on the grapevine that there are going to be a few surprises. One in the Full forward line and One in half forward line for the final. O'Connor is hoped to start if fit enough (and that's not one of the surprises). Hearing the group are going away for the week before (which is this week!). Are Mayo doing the usual meet and greet for the younger fans this time?
Can you please elaborate, thanks. or send me a PM.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2013, 07:38:54 PM
Hearing on the grapevine that there are going to be a few surprises. One in the Full forward line and One in half forward line for the final. O'Connor is hoped to start if fit enough (and that's not one of the surprises). Hearing the group are going away for the week before (which is this week!). Are Mayo doing the usual meet and greet for the younger fans this time?
It's going to be a long week.
Keep this to yourselves now lads but you know how William J Padden came on in Knockmore during that charity game a fortnight ago? THAT WAS NO ACCIDENT! There are wheels within wheels. Do you get me? Wheels within wheels.
Of course, I'm saying nothing.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2013, 07:38:54 PM
Hearing on the grapevine that there are going to be a few surprises. One in the Full forward line and One in half forward line for the final. O'Connor is hoped to start if fit enough (and that's not one of the surprises). Hearing the group are going away for the week before (which is this week!). Are Mayo doing the usual meet and greet for the younger fans this time?
Elvis Presley has been training hard outside the building and is ready to play his part in the all Ireland bid. He said that song by Mike Denver is "pure shite" as well. Lord Lucan is the full forward.
Quote from: seafoid on September 13, 2013, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2013, 07:38:54 PM
Hearing on the grapevine that there are going to be a few surprises. One in the Full forward line and One in half forward line for the final. O'Connor is hoped to start if fit enough (and that's not one of the surprises). Hearing the group are going away for the week before (which is this week!). Are Mayo doing the usual meet and greet for the younger fans this time?
Elvis Presley has been training hard outside the building and is ready to play his part in the all Ireland bid. He said that song by Mike Denver is "pure shite" as well. Lord Lucan is the full forward.
Shergar coming into the half forward line....
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 13, 2013, 08:33:40 PM
Keep this to yourselves now lads but you know how William J Padden came on in Knockmore during that charity game a fortnight ago? THAT WAS NO ACCIDENT! There are wheels within wheels. Do you get me? Wheels within wheels.
Of course, I'm saying nothing.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You've already said to much shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2013, 07:38:54 PM
Hearing on the grapevine that there are going to be a few surprises. One in the Full forward line and One in half forward line for the final. O'Connor is hoped to start if fit enough (and that's not one of the surprises). Hearing the group are going away for the week before (which is this week!). Are Mayo doing the usual meet and greet for the younger fans this time?
So who could possibly be a surprise in hf line or ff line?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2013, 07:38:54 PM
Hearing on the grapevine that there are going to be a few surprises. One in the Full forward line and One in half forward line for the final. O'Connor is hoped to start if fit enough (and that's not one of the surprises). Hearing the group are going away for the week before (which is this week!). Are Mayo doing the usual meet and greet for the younger fans this time?
Yearra, say natin'!
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on September 05, 2013, 09:52:18 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 04, 2013, 06:23:42 PM
Less chance of seeing those Hill 16 - "The City that defeated an empire" jerseys..
Sure you could ask them wearing that Jersey where the name Jackeens comes from for the Dubs as they as so fond of shouting it,
When the Queen Victoria came to dublin back in 1900, a crowd of dublin people waved union jacks as she passed through the street, and hence were given the name Jackeens!!
"When we got into Dublin the mass of people wedged together in the street and every window, even on the roofs, was quite remarkable. Although I have seen many visits of this kind, nothing has ever approached the enthusiasm and even frenzy displayed by the people of Dublin."
The same lads might also tell you that the vast majority of volunteers killed in the 1916 rising were from Dublin. The T shirts are certain;ly cringeworthy but there is an element of truth in them
Here something for the Dubliners to remember they granddads
(https://auctioneer.easyliveauction.com/auctioneer/auctions/images_lots/8332BB5E3C4AE3B81E8483AABD015C7A_pur01/1100006472.JPG)
Quote from: joemamas on September 13, 2013, 07:54:52 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2013, 07:38:54 PM
Hearing on the grapevine that there are going to be a few surprises. One in the Full forward line and One in half forward line for the final. O'Connor is hoped to start if fit enough (and that's not one of the surprises). Hearing the group are going away for the week before (which is this week!). Are Mayo doing the usual meet and greet for the younger fans this time?
Can you please elaborate, thanks. or send me a PM.
I'd choose the PM myself.
Quote from: moysider on September 13, 2013, 11:17:56 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2013, 07:38:54 PM
Hearing on the grapevine that there are going to be a few surprises. One in the Full forward line and One in half forward line for the final. O'Connor is hoped to start if fit enough (and that's not one of the surprises). Hearing the group are going away for the week before (which is this week!). Are Mayo doing the usual meet and greet for the younger fans this time?
Pearse Hanley in hf and ciaran mc in ff. Time for at least one of those stories to emerge
So who could possibly be a surprise in hf line or ff line?
Given Pearcey is a Roscommon man and no longer a member of the 'Mayo' club he wouldn't be ell able to represent Mayo until he played a club championship game ;)
http://youtu.be/Rwi-iG6SOdw
How in gods name did over 78k people turn up for that shite?
Quote from: Johnnybegood on September 14, 2013, 11:36:07 AM
http://youtu.be/Rwi-iG6SOdw
How in gods name did over 78k people turn up for that shite?
Ah different times young fella. Different values! Now back to your x-box like a good ladeen! ;)
Quote from: Syferus on September 14, 2013, 10:30:59 AM
Given Pearcey is a Roscommon man and no longer a member of the 'Mayo' club he wouldn't be ell able to represent Mayo until he played a club championship game ;)
When did he move to Roscommon? As far as I remember he moved from Ballagh to Brisbane which mean he left Mayo for Queensland! You Rossies need to study up a bit on your geography as well as your football! ;D
Anyone see the "Mayo me hole" shirts some of the Dub fams are hawking ? (as opposed to "Kerry me Bollix" shirts they had for the semi final)
I sure hope they bring a change of clothes. It could make for a very long evening if they dont get a result-LOL
Another item of clothing the Mayo fashionistas getting upset about? Jmaj I've seen it all now. ;)
Quote from: Canalman on September 14, 2013, 04:42:13 PM
Another item of clothing the Mayo fashionistas getting upset about? Jmaj I've seen it all now. ;)
I'm sure they will go very well with the shiny track suits and white socks
Any chance you could do a list of clothing that aggrevates you............ don't want to be causing offence unnecessarily.
Quote from: Canalman on September 14, 2013, 04:48:54 PM
Any chance you could do a list of clothing that aggrevates you............ don't want to be causing offence unnecessarily.
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LOL.... Not offended in the least, actually think its pretty funny.
I wouldn't be brave enough from a Karma standpoint to go to a match with such a garment
Quote from: whitey on September 14, 2013, 05:04:54 PM
Quote from: Canalman on September 14, 2013, 04:48:54 PM
Any chance you could do a list of clothing that aggrevates you............ don't want to be causing offence unnecessarily.
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LOL.... Not offended in the least, actually think its pretty funny.
I wouldn't be brave enough from a Karma standpoint to go to a match with such a garment
No probs Whitey.
If I get to the game I will wear my usual runners, jeans and hoodie and I don't care what the Mayo hipsters and Carnaby streeters think. :P
They'll need to segregate the Hill at this rate.
Quote from: Canalman on September 14, 2013, 04:48:54 PM
Any chance you could do a list of clothing that aggrevates you............ don't want to be causing offence unnecessarily.
That's easy you can wear anything you like providing it does not contain the colour Blue! :P
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2013, 07:38:54 PM
Hearing on the grapevine that there are going to be a few surprises. One in the Full forward line and One in half forward line for the final. O'Connor is hoped to start if fit enough (and that's not one of the surprises). Hearing the group are going away for the week before (which is this week!). Are Mayo doing the usual meet and greet for the younger fans this time?
I would say Conroy for O'Connor will be the only change and none will be made if O'Connor is fit to start. Without making a load of changes James Horan has enough work to get his match ups right, that cost Mayo big time in the final last year.
It's a pity most of the songs about Mayo are so poor.
I'd have this on the system in Croker at 5 past 5 if they do it on Sunday week
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS-zK1S5Dws
Quote from: seafoid on September 14, 2013, 07:48:20 PM
It's a pity most of the songs about Mayo are so poor.
I'd have this on the system in Croker at 5 past 5 if they do it on Sunday week
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS-zK1S5Dws
The Ginger Melodeon Experience - Up Mayohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W18pWLLjk0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W18pWLLjk0)
Horan's Men, by Gary O' Malley http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UIEtjnHxjk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UIEtjnHxjk)
As regards changes , I'm really worried about the reluctance by Mayo supporters to talk about dropping Andy Moran if this reflects what Horan is thinking too, Im adamant its the wrong call. He's not up to it.
Quote from: seafoid on September 14, 2013, 07:48:20 PM
It's a pity most of the songs about Mayo are so poor.
I'd have this on the system in Croker at 5 past 5 if they do it on Sunday week
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS-zK1S5Dws
Considering the state of the Mayo finances, they might be better with this one: http://youtu.be/QK8mJJJvaes
Fudging awesome now, in fairness.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 14, 2013, 10:57:25 PM
As regards changes , I'm really worried about the reluctance by Mayo supporters to talk about dropping Andy Moran if this reflects what Horan is thinking too, Im adamant its the wrong call. He's not up to it.
There is an argument for dropping Andy Moran.
But this is not it: "He's not up to it." He had a serious injury and hasn't got back to where he was. He never really had pace but had mastered the art of using his body as a shield to great effect when he was coming onto the ball. For some reason this hasn't worked well in the corner. I think the 4 weeks will have brought him on from the injury.
I would consider moving him to 11 if the Dubs pick Brennan.
Somebody mentioned AM had another type of injury after the game on the Tyrone thread. Anyone care to elaborate?
For all the masochists amongst us.....TG4 tonight at 20.00, Mayo God Help Us!!!!!
All will be utterly different next Monday Morning....
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 15, 2013, 11:43:19 AM
For all the masochists amongst us.....TG4 tonight at 20.00, Mayo God Help Us!!!!!
All will be utterly different next Monday Morning....
(http://www.fingershield.co.uk/blog/thumbnail/96x96/images/upload/fingers-crossed.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqRnXgvyScA
Quote from: muppet on September 15, 2013, 05:43:16 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 14, 2013, 10:57:25 PM
As regards changes , I'm really worried about the reluctance by Mayo supporters to talk about dropping Andy Moran if this reflects what Horan is thinking too, Im adamant its the wrong call. He's not up to it.
There is an argument for dropping Andy Moran.
But this is not it: "He's not up to it." He had a serious injury and hasn't got back to where he was. He never really had pace but had mastered the art of using his body as a shield to great effect when he was coming onto the ball. For some reason this hasn't worked well in the corner. I think the 4 weeks will have brought him on from the injury.
I would consider moving him to 11 if the Dubs pick Brennan.
Wow , stall the digger there horse , you're taking the " he's not up to it " out f context or maybe I didn't word it right. Either way, ill explain myself.
Andy is a top class footballer , I have great time for him and would know him too. You say his pace was never a factor, ummm , not so sure about that, his gameplan was make an unreal amount of runs to gain a yard on his marker , he is not doing that this year because of his fitness levels IMO , Conroy does it to much better effect this year.
Personally I would leave him out and also if ger Brennan was to start at no 6 , I would be like a cat that got the cream and stick with the Ballyhaunis buck on the forty, he would kill him all day long but I doubt Gavin is that daft, I expect to see COS at chb.
Opinion s sure that's what it's all about. Mine is right though :)
I think they are saying hes hasnt fully recovered from his injury and is not back to playing the football we know hes capable of before he got injured, but with that injury that may take a few yrs to get back to the level he was
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 15, 2013, 02:32:35 PM
I think they are saying hes hasnt fully recovered from his injury and is not back to playing the football we know hes capable of before he got injured, but with that injury that may take a few yrs to get back to the level he was
The problem is that he's thirty this year so he doesn't have a few years to get back. He might improve a little bit next year but after that he'll be struggling to just keep to the level required.
Quote from: Chimley on September 15, 2013, 05:56:53 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 15, 2013, 02:32:35 PM
I think they are saying hes hasnt fully recovered from his injury and is not back to playing the football we know hes capable of before he got injured, but with that injury that may take a few yrs to get back to the level he was
The problem is that he's thirty this year so he doesn't have a few years to get back. He might improve a little bit next year but after that he'll be struggling to just keep to the level required.
C'est la vie! Any player has such a limited amount of time at the top of their game. Maybe five to six years at best. Probably from the age of age of 24 to 29. If anything happens towards the end of that period, it becomes harder to come back. Alan Brogan is in a similar spot!
A week from now and we ll be experiencing an epiphany, one way or another!
Reading some of the stuff in the media today just reminded me of the failings of the past. Pathetic, sad stuff. 89, 96,97 etc. all explained away by Pateen Holmes and John Casey etc. David Brady, in fairness, does try to 'rationalise' it a bit better but it is an awful disappointment for somebody my age. We knew at the time we had players but the lack of proper management was worse than we ever imagined.
Not that Holmes improved matters when he became manager and the repatriation of Maughan and O Mahoney for second terms, now looks lazy, to say the least. All the old Mayo vets. seem to think that this Mayo team is different - how the f**k do they know that? They don t. We ve heard all that before as well. When they revise after retirement ye know it was no different than what was going on before.
I m still wary of these old vets. annointing this team as being different - not buying into it. Tyrone rattled us but I know Dublin don t play like Tyrone so it s a different scenario - maybe.
Before Mayo fans dismiss me as an old crank and suggest a few short piers I should walk off, consider the following.
Mayo have put in some of their best ever performances in AI semi-finals before an AI final defeat/capitulation.
Dublin 85 draw + most of replay - did not make final and unforgivably did not build on it. Lost to inferior teams in Connacht in 86/87
Tyrone 89
Kerry 96
Offaly 97
Fermanagh 04 - exception, we were lucky to make it.
Dublin 06
Dublin 12
Hmmmm. The only consolation is that this year we really were a bag of nails v Tyrone in semi and came through. Some players had the nightmare of their careers and management did not cover itself in glory either but we came through in the end without being out of puff. So for the first time we ve reached a final without going 'eyeballs-out' in the semi.
Hopefully we ve got it right this time and get a peak and get attitude, selection, gameplan/tactics right for final.
QuoteBefore Mayo fans dismiss me as an old crank and suggest a few short piers I should walk off, consider the following.
Mayo have put in some of their best ever performances in AI semi-finals before an AI final defeat/capitulation.
Thanks for stating the obvious. Most / All semi finalist and final losers would say the same. The key is we just have said it more than others.
This team are different for the simple fact that we have 25 footballers with the combinations of skill, speed and physicality.
I'm not going to name old players and do a like for like comparison but safe to say (and you will know) that some of those lads couldn't even solo a ball or carry out the simple function of a kick pass, this is contrary to your opinion and is actually credit to the management at the time. Don't get me wrong we did have fine fast players and fine lumps of players but they didn't have the balance and finesse of the Kerry, Meath, Cork and Dublin teams that we lost to. 1992 was a big disappointment.
Kevin MacStay played a stormer last night on the SG. I think he even had Whealan confused at one stage.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 13, 2013, 08:33:40 PM
Keep this to yourselves now lads but you know how William J Padden came on in Knockmore during that charity game a fortnight ago? THAT WAS NO ACCIDENT! There are wheels within wheels. Do you get me? Wheels within wheels.
Of course, I'm saying nothing.
Its funny you should talk about people coming back after appearing in that charity match. Theres one past great who has come out of retirement and is back training for the championship quarter final.
Word at home is that COC was in america this week and had a plate put in his shoulder
And sure ye haven't even mentioned the priest's curse yet. It might be no amount of baseball caps and solo training will overcome that one.
Quote from: highorlow on September 16, 2013, 09:33:40 AM
QuoteBefore Mayo fans dismiss me as an old crank and suggest a few short piers I should walk off, consider the following.
Mayo have put in some of their best ever performances in AI semi-finals before an AI final defeat/capitulation.
Thanks for stating the obvious. Most / All semi finalist and final losers would say the same. The key is we just have said it more than others.
This team are different for the simple fact that we have 25 footballers with the combinations of skill, speed and physicality.
I'm not going to name old players and do a like for like comparison but safe to say (and you will know) that some of those lads couldn't even solo a ball or carry out the simple function of a kick pass, this is contrary to your opinion and is actually credit to the management at the time. Don't get me wrong we did have fine fast players and fine lumps of players but they didn't have the balance and finesse of the Kerry, Meath, Cork and Dublin teams that we lost to. 1992 was a big disappointment.
Don t really want to argue the Meath 96 and Kerry 97 were very beatable with their share of limited enough players. O Flaherty and McManus spring to mind.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 16, 2013, 09:39:56 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 13, 2013, 08:33:40 PM
Keep this to yourselves now lads but you know how William J Padden came on in Knockmore during that charity game a fortnight ago? THAT WAS NO ACCIDENT! There are wheels within wheels. Do you get me? Wheels within wheels.
Of course, I'm saying nothing.
Its funny you should talk about people coming back after appearing in that charity match. Theres one past great who has come out of retirement and is back training for the championship quarter final.Word at home is that COC was in america this week and had a plate put in his shoulder
Heard about that alright! You couldn't make it up. 48 yrs of age and wouldn't have kicked a ball since the 90s. Priceless.
Quote from: moysider on September 16, 2013, 09:53:04 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 16, 2013, 09:39:56 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 13, 2013, 08:33:40 PM
Keep this to yourselves now lads but you know how William J Padden came on in Knockmore during that charity game a fortnight ago? THAT WAS NO ACCIDENT! There are wheels within wheels. Do you get me? Wheels within wheels.
Of course, I'm saying nothing.
Its funny you should talk about people coming back after appearing in that charity match. Theres one past great who has come out of retirement and is back training for the championship quarter final.Word at home is that COC was in america this week and had a plate put in his shoulder
Heard about that alright! You couldn't make it up. 48 yrs of age and wouldn't have kicked a ball since the 90s. Priceless.
jaysus lads ye cant leave it like that .
tis hardly libel to to name such a hero fighting back the years .
what age is peter ford last time i saw hime he looked ready to Tog out hardy fecker.
David nestor maybe?
Quote from: rosnarun on September 16, 2013, 10:43:52 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 16, 2013, 09:53:04 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 16, 2013, 09:39:56 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 13, 2013, 08:33:40 PM
Keep this to yourselves now lads but you know how William J Padden came on in Knockmore during that charity game a fortnight ago? THAT WAS NO ACCIDENT! There are wheels within wheels. Do you get me? Wheels within wheels.
Of course, I'm saying nothing.
Its funny you should talk about people coming back after appearing in that charity match. Theres one past great who has come out of retirement and is back training for the championship quarter final.Word at home is that COC was in america this week and had a plate put in his shoulder
Heard about that alright! You couldn't make it up. 48 yrs of age and wouldn't have kicked a ball since the 90s. Priceless.
jaysus lads ye cant leave it like that .
tis hardly libel to to name such a hero fighting back the years .
what age is peter ford last time i saw hime he looked ready to Tog out hardy fecker.
David nestor maybe?
He's hardly 48!
This man is one of the greatest footballers ever to grace a field, Ciaran Mc wouldnt be fit to tie his laces, a comment which he apparently once made to a mayo midfielder.
He does not however look like a man who is ready to tog out
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 16, 2013, 11:49:53 AM
This man is one of the greatest footballers ever to grace a field, Ciaran Mc wouldnt be fit to tie his laces, a comment which he apparently once made to a mayo midfielder.
He does not however look like a man who is ready to tog out
Bomber Brogan!?
(http://inpho.ie/cache/inpho/b7/26/28/5a2b80c4e81491da361d65dc3e5175ca9844aceaf6/INPHO_00000955.jpg)
Greatest man ever to pull on a mayo jersey
From what I hear of the Knockmore v Mayo legends match he received (and rightly so) the largest cheers when he was on the ball
Well the game was played in Knockmore after all. Maybe that had something to do with it as well.
Where does he fit in the ranks of Donegal greats?
3rd
Quote from: deiseach on September 16, 2013, 12:30:23 PM
Where does he fit in the ranks of Donegal greats?
Well he did inspire Donegal to beat Mayo when he came on in the closing stages of the the 1992 AI semi final. :P
Talk about becoming a circus of a club!!! He's hell bent on making a comeback though.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 16, 2013, 12:39:15 PM
Quote from: deiseach on September 16, 2013, 12:30:23 PM
Where does he fit in the ranks of Donegal greats?
Well he did inspire Donegal to beat Mayo when he came on in the closing stages of the the 1992 AI semi final. :P
The Bomber's inspiration is obviously of the slow burner variety then.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 16, 2013, 11:49:53 AM
This man is one of the greatest footballers ever to grace a field, Ciaran Mc wouldnt be fit to tie his laces, a comment which he apparently once made to a mayo midfielder.
He does not however look like a man who is ready to tog out
no week to be starting interclub rows .
well chat over the winter about that take an odd break from the celebrating and shoving the Sam Magurie in everyones faces
Quote from: rosnarun on September 16, 2013, 01:54:37 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 16, 2013, 11:49:53 AM
This man is one of the greatest footballers ever to grace a field, Ciaran Mc wouldnt be fit to tie his laces, a comment which he apparently once made to a mayo midfielder.
He does not however look like a man who is ready to tog out
no week to be starting interclub rows .
well chat over the winter about that take an odd break from the celebrating and shoving the Sam Magurie in everyones faces
Good Man rosnarun, thats the spirit................however if we win Sam on Sunday, the club games might have to be played in the pub carparks..........such will be the celebrations.......it will put the 1989 "Tour De County" by that team in the shade..............being old enough to remember that................
Quote from: moysider on September 16, 2013, 12:43:42 AM
A week from now and we ll be experiencing an epiphany, one way or another!
Reading some of the stuff in the media today just reminded me of the failings of the past. Pathetic, sad stuff. 89, 96,97 etc. all explained away by Pateen Holmes and John Casey etc. David Brady, in fairness, does try to 'rationalise' it a bit better but it is an awful disappointment for somebody my age. We knew at the time we had players but the lack of proper management was worse than we ever imagined.
Not that Holmes improved matters when he became manager and the repatriation of Maughan and O Mahoney for second terms, now looks lazy, to say the least. All the old Mayo vets. seem to think that this Mayo team is different - how the f**k do they know that? They don t. We ve heard all that before as well. When they revise after retirement ye know it was no different than what was going on before.
I m still wary of these old vets. annointing this team as being different - not buying into it. Tyrone rattled us but I know Dublin don t play like Tyrone so it s a different scenario - maybe.
Before Mayo fans dismiss me as an old crank and suggest a few short piers I should walk off, consider the following.
Mayo have put in some of their best ever performances in AI semi-finals before an AI final defeat/capitulation.
Dublin 85 draw + most of replay - did not make final and unforgivably did not build on it. Lost to inferior teams in Connacht in 86/87
Tyrone 89
Kerry 96
Offaly 97
Fermanagh 04 - exception, we were lucky to make it.
Dublin 06
Dublin 12
Hmmmm. The only consolation is that this year we really were a bag of nails v Tyrone in semi and came through. Some players had the nightmare of their careers and management did not cover itself in glory either but we came through in the end without being out of puff. So for the first time we ve reached a final without going 'eyeballs-out' in the semi.
Hopefully we ve got it right this time and get a peak and get attitude, selection, gameplan/tactics right for final.
Mayo this year are ruthless once they get going.
And the change of tactics in the Tyrone match was very encouraging.
It's way beyond time for Mayo to win another Ireland.
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 16, 2013, 02:02:27 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 16, 2013, 01:54:37 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 16, 2013, 11:49:53 AM
This man is one of the greatest footballers ever to grace a field, Ciaran Mc wouldnt be fit to tie his laces, a comment which he apparently once made to a mayo midfielder.
He does not however look like a man who is ready to tog out
no week to be starting interclub rows .
well chat over the winter about that take an odd break from the celebrating and shoving the Sam Magurie in everyones faces
Good Man rosnarun, thats the spirit................however if we win Sam on Sunday, the club games might have to be played in the pub carparks..........such will be the celebrations.......it will put the 1989 "Tour De County" by that team in the shade..............being old enough to remember that................
1989, innocent times! We were just glad to have the day out. A chance to decorate our streets.
I remember i went in to Westport and Castlebar looking for green and red material to get a flag made up and all the shops had sold out, innocent times indeed, times were grim alright............
Compare that to yesterday in Elverys in C'bar yesterday there were 9 stands of tops, jerseys, hoodies and so on.....who buys all this stuff?
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 16, 2013, 03:44:44 PM
I remember i went in to Westport and Castlebar looking for green and red material to get a flag made up and all the shops had sold out, innocent times indeed, times were grim alright............
Compare that to yesterday in Elverys in C'bar yesterday there were 9 stands of tops, jerseys, hoodies and so on.....who buys all this stuff?
September supporters.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on September 16, 2013, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 16, 2013, 03:44:44 PM
I remember i went in to Westport and Castlebar looking for green and red material to get a flag made up and all the shops had sold out, innocent times indeed, times were grim alright............
Compare that to yesterday in Elverys in C'bar yesterday there were 9 stands of tops, jerseys, hoodies and so on.....who buys all this stuff?
September supporters.
People who never follow the county team until the County gets to an AI final! Then say after their first trip of the year
' They let me down again will never follow them again!' In fairness, I have friends who don't really care until we get to a final and I have to say I quite enjoy them jumping on the bandwagon!
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 16, 2013, 04:40:23 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on September 16, 2013, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 16, 2013, 03:44:44 PM
I remember i went in to Westport and Castlebar looking for green and red material to get a flag made up and all the shops had sold out, innocent times indeed, times were grim alright............
Compare that to yesterday in Elverys in C'bar yesterday there were 9 stands of tops, jerseys, hoodies and so on.....who buys all this stuff?
September supporters.
People who never follow the county team until the County gets to an AI final! Then say after their first trip of the year ' They let me down again will never follow them again!'
In fairness, I have friends who don't really care until we get to a final and I have to say I quite enjoy them jumping on the bandwagon!
So ye have a four-horse model if you're able to fit in all these sporting refugees, huh?
Fancy feckin' rhubarb-headed Christmas lights.
Team line-up to be named tomorrow for Program? Will they be released to the media tomorrow?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 16, 2013, 04:40:23 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on September 16, 2013, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 16, 2013, 03:44:44 PM
I remember i went in to Westport and Castlebar looking for green and red material to get a flag made up and all the shops had sold out, innocent times indeed, times were grim alright............
Compare that to yesterday in Elverys in C'bar yesterday there were 9 stands of tops, jerseys, hoodies and so on.....who buys all this stuff?
September supporters.
People who never follow the county team until the County gets to an AI final! Then say after their first trip of the year ' They let me down again will never follow them again!'
In fairness, I have friends who don't really care until we get to a final and I have to say I quite enjoy them jumping on the bandwagon!
Was on the train yesterday overheard a number of middle aged Mayo supporters going on about having tickets secured for the final & one of them said its their first game since the Galway match,all agreed they will give up following Mayo if they lose this AI final. ::)
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 16, 2013, 06:10:39 PM
Team line-up to be named tomorrow for Program? Will they be released to the media tomorrow?
Name in the programme means nothing...remember the Clare hurler under Loughnane who took part in parade and all and then got called to take seat on the sideline! Any word yet on O'Connor, surely be left til almost the last moment?
Those middle aged people have a point. Lose this and they'll probably never see Sam coming to Mayo. This is the key factor this year methinks for lots of Mayo people.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2013, 06:52:51 PM
Those middle aged people have a point. Lose this and they'll probably never see Sam coming to Mayo. This is the key factor this year methinks for lots of Mayo people.
Given the eight finals in 24 years probability tells you a loss here is just a minor set-back in the Mayo pain-train's journey.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 16, 2013, 09:39:56 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 13, 2013, 08:33:40 PM
Keep this to yourselves now lads but you know how William J Padden came on in Knockmore during that charity game a fortnight ago? THAT WAS NO ACCIDENT! There are wheels within wheels. Do you get me? Wheels within wheels.
Of course, I'm saying nothing.
Its funny you should talk about people coming back after appearing in that charity match. Theres one past great who has come out of retirement and is back training for the championship quarter final. ;)
Word at home is that COC was in america this week and had a plate put in his shoulder
I heard he was on the moon too for lunar stone massage
Quote from: ross4life on September 16, 2013, 06:41:04 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 16, 2013, 04:40:23 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on September 16, 2013, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 16, 2013, 03:44:44 PM
I remember i went in to Westport and Castlebar looking for green and red material to get a flag made up and all the shops had sold out, innocent times indeed, times were grim alright............
Compare that to yesterday in Elverys in C'bar yesterday there were 9 stands of tops, jerseys, hoodies and so on.....who buys all this stuff?
September supporters.
People who never follow the county team until the County gets to an AI final! Then say after their first trip of the year ' They let me down again will never follow them again!'
In fairness, I have friends who don't really care until we get to a final and I have to say I quite enjoy them jumping on the bandwagon!
Was on the train yesterday overheard a number of middle aged Mayo supporters going on about having tickets secured for the final & one of them said its their first game since the Galway match,all agreed they will give up following Mayo if they lose this AI final. ::)
Horan had enough work dealing with the fatalism of the players. He couldn't sort out the fans as well. The funny thing is that if mayo win on sunday those lads will be wondering what took mayo so long
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2013, 06:52:51 PM
Those middle aged people have a point. Lose this and they'll probably never see Sam coming to Mayo. This is the key factor this year methinks for lots of Mayo people.
Jaysus, they re middle aged - not old aged ;)
I expect this Mayo team will be even better again next year. Mayo are competing with Dublin to see who s the biggest wolf on the lot this year and it could be a close one. Doesn t mean the loser will sink without trace. Mayo - and Dublin - are still developing and have too much quality not to be forces for years to came.
Quote from: moysider on September 16, 2013, 10:31:30 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2013, 06:52:51 PM
Those middle aged people have a point. Lose this and they'll probably never see Sam coming to Mayo. This is the key factor this year methinks for lots of Mayo people.
Jaysus, they re middle aged - not old aged ;)
I expect this Mayo team will be even better again next year. Mayo are competing with Dublin to see who s the biggest wolf on the lot this year and it could be a close one. Doesn t mean the loser will sink without trace. Mayo - and Dublin - are still developing and have too much quality not to be forces for years to came.
Both teams should be around next year at least, but (without looking at stats) I am guessing the Dubs are the younger team.
Quote from: muppet on September 16, 2013, 10:43:52 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 16, 2013, 10:31:30 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2013, 06:52:51 PM
Those middle aged people have a point. Lose this and they'll probably never see Sam coming to Mayo. This is the key factor this year methinks for lots of Mayo people.
Jaysus, they re middle aged - not old aged ;)
I expect this Mayo team will be even better again next year. Mayo are competing with Dublin to see who s the biggest wolf on the lot this year and it could be a close one. Doesn t mean the loser will sink without trace. Mayo - and Dublin - are still developing and have too much quality not to be forces for years to came.
Both teams should be around next year at least, but (without looking at stats) I am guessing the Dubs are the younger team.
Probably - and I m hoping that they might be a bit too young in a couple of positions this year ;) Quality young players though.
Mayo ( Dublin too of course) will be able to drip quality players into the panel all the time. No need for us to go away. Management is key for Mayo. Any time we ve had a manager that knows a bit we re a serious team. Boyle and Conroy were broken intercounty players before Horan took over.
But here s an interesting stat. James Horan has the best win% of any county manager since 2001, according to our friend Terry Reilly in The Examiner. Alright, Jim Gavin not included because they took managers with a minimum 10 championship matches.
I know, I know, London and the state of Connacht football ::) but multiple AI winners were beaten. Only defeats to Kerry and Donegal ruin a perfect record!
Am I grasping at statistics here?!
Quote from: moysider on September 16, 2013, 10:58:12 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 16, 2013, 10:43:52 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 16, 2013, 10:31:30 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2013, 06:52:51 PM
Those middle aged people have a point. Lose this and they'll probably never see Sam coming to Mayo. This is the key factor this year methinks for lots of Mayo people.
Jaysus, they re middle aged - not old aged ;)
I expect this Mayo team will be even better again next year. Mayo are competing with Dublin to see who s the biggest wolf on the lot this year and it could be a close one. Doesn t mean the loser will sink without trace. Mayo - and Dublin - are still developing and have too much quality not to be forces for years to came.
Both teams should be around next year at least, but (without looking at stats) I am guessing the Dubs are the younger team.
Probably - and I m hoping that they might be a bit too young in a couple of positions this year ;) Quality young players though.
Mayo ( Dublin too of course) will be able to drip quality players into the panel all the time. No need for us to go away. Management is key for Mayo. Any time we ve had a manager that knows a bit we re a serious team. Boyle and Conroy were broken intercounty players before Horan took over.
But here s an interesting stat. James Horan has the best win% of any county manager since 2001, according to our friend Terry Reilly in The Examiner. Alright, Jim Gavin not included because they took managers with a minimum 10 championship matches.
I know, I know, London and the state of Connacht football ::) but multiple AI winners were beaten. Only defeats to Kerry and Donegal ruin a perfect record!
Am I grasping at statistics here?!
This is a good point. Seamus O'Shea, Tom Cunniffe and Chris Barrett have seen their careers take new trajectories under Horan, along with arguably Kevin McLoughlin, Barry Moran and Richie Feeney.
Like most of the top teams Mayo have some younger players still developing however most of the Key players are at peak age now. If Mayo lose another All Ireland final on Sunday will it mean James Horan has taken this group of players as far as they can go?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 16, 2013, 11:31:47 PM
Like most of the top teams Mayo have some younger players still developing however most of the Key players are at peak age now. If Mayo lose another All Ireland final on Sunday will it mean James Horan has taken this group of players as far as they can go?
Nah, Cork 1987 - 1988.
Dublin 1992 - 1994.
There is no reason this Mayo squad would fear anyone next year, is there? The same applies to Donegal and maybe Cork or Kerry. But regardless of the result on Sunday, Mayo and Dublin will be in everyone's top 5 for next year, probably top 3 and possibly top 2.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 16, 2013, 11:31:47 PM
Like most of the top teams Mayo have some younger players still developing however most of the Key players are at peak age now. If Mayo lose another All Ireland final on Sunday will it mean James Horan has taken this group of players as far as they can go?
No.
Apart from a fear of losing this gig my biggest fear is Horan not staying on as manager.
Most Mayo players now well below their peak - and peak is getting older all the time. Our peak players are Dillon and Moran. It is unfortunate that both are hampered by injury. O Connor is a kid but a player for a generation but he s not going to be 100% either. If we can do this it with the injuries we ve had it will be some win.
Quote from: muppet on September 16, 2013, 11:37:52 PM
Nah, Cork 1987 - 1988.
Dublin 1992 - 1994.
There is no reason this Mayo squad would fear anyone next year, is there? The same applies to Donegal and maybe Cork or Kerry. But regardless of the result on Sunday, Mayo and Dublin will be in everyone's top 5 for next year, probably top 3 and possibly top 2.
I forget did Cork,Dublin change their manager before winning those All Irelands in 1989,1995? top five or top three isn't much good if you can't become number one.
Quote from: moysider on September 16, 2013, 11:51:55 PM
No.
Apart from a fear of losing this gig my biggest fear is Horan not staying on as manager.
Most Mayo players now well below their peak - and peak is getting older all the time. Our peak players are Dillon and Moran. It is unfortunate that both are hampered by injury. O Connor is a kid but a player for a generation but he s not going to be 100% either. If we can do this it with the injuries we ve had it will be some win.
You should fear as James Horan is the very man that has made Mayo All Ireland contenders who is the suitable replacement if he decides to call time? i don't think peak is getting older and mileage also counts, more so if you don't win the All Ireland.
Billy Morgan managed Cork from 1986, lost two finals in 87 and 88 before the breakthrough.
Pat O'Neill managed the Dubs in 1995 and it was his first year.
Both prove opposite points.
Quote from: muppet on September 17, 2013, 12:08:45 AM
Billy Morgan managed Cork from 1986, lost two finals in 87 and 88 before the breakthrough.
Pat O'Neill managed the Dubs in 1995 and it was his first year.
Both prove opposite points.
1995 wasn't ONeills first year
Cullen 91-92 ONeill 93-95
Hi guys,
Tactical profile of Mayo with video now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7650
Thanks,
Emmet
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2013, 06:52:51 PM
Those middle aged people have a point. Lose this and they'll probably never see Sam coming to Mayo. This is the key factor this year methinks for lots of Mayo people.
Have a photo at home of my father sitting in Sam in '51 as a baby............a lifetime for him following the county.....would love Mayo to win it for the likes of him......................
Quote from: emmetryan on September 17, 2013, 07:50:30 AM
Hi guys,
Tactical profile of Mayo with video now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7650
Thanks,
Emmet
Thanks Emmet, I've been waiting with bated breath for your take on this match.
Quote from: muppet on September 17, 2013, 12:08:45 AM
Billy Morgan managed Cork from 1986, lost two finals in 87 and 88 before the breakthrough.
Pat O'Neill managed the Dubs in 1995 and it was his first year.
Both prove opposite points.
Pat O Neill actually took over in 1993 after the Donegal fiasco in 1992. There was actually a small heave to get rid of o Neill after Down beat us narrowly in 194 but the DCB held firm.
QuoteBoth teams should be around next year at least, but (without looking at stats) I am guessing the Dubs are the younger team.
Had a quick glance before on this. Remarkably both teams have almost the same average age.
QuoteLike most of the top teams Mayo have some younger players still developing however most of the Key players are at peak age now
Please elaborate?
23 is it? or 24?
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 17, 2013, 09:09:15 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2013, 06:52:51 PM
Those middle aged people have a point. Lose this and they'll probably never see Sam coming to Mayo. This is the key factor this year methinks for lots of Mayo people.
Have a photo at home of my father sitting in Sam in '51 as a baby............a lifetime for him following the county.....would love Mayo to win it for the likes of him......................
Would love to see Mayo do it on Sunday. An AI title is earned, and I think Mayo have what it takes, just. Holidayed in Mayo in the lead up to the semi. Travelled around a good bit of the county in the car, on the bike and on foot. Place was awash with colour, had the feel of a county, much like Donegal in 92, Derry in 93, were its people and the goodwill and lit candles from folk in other counties will hopefully bring you over the line a whisker in front. Burger wise, cant decide which was better, Bald Grainne's in Newbridge or Nevins, good eatin! :)
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on September 17, 2013, 09:39:22 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 17, 2013, 12:08:45 AM
Billy Morgan managed Cork from 1986, lost two finals in 87 and 88 before the breakthrough.
Pat O'Neill managed the Dubs in 1995 and it was his first year.
Both prove opposite points.
Pat O Neill actually took over in 1993 after the Donegal fiasco in 1992. There was actually a small heave to get rid of o Neill after Down beat us narrowly in 194 but the DCB held firm.
Apologies (and to Johnnybegood), the memory got confused from him resigning the first year he won it, rather than he won it the first year.
Quote from: moysider on September 16, 2013, 10:58:12 PM
But here s an interesting stat. James Horan has the best win% of any county manager since 2001, according to our friend Terry Reilly in The Examiner. Alright, Jim Gavin not included because they took managers with a minimum 10 championship matches.
I know, I know, London and the state of Connacht football ::) but multiple AI winners were beaten. Only defeats to Kerry and Donegal ruin a perfect record!
Am I grasping at statistics here?!
Jim Gavin managed U21 winning teams in 2010 and 2012 and a National League in 2013.
Not a bad record.
This stream is the most deadest stream I've ever seen coming up to a AI Final. Both sets of supporters seem to be slightly terrified of the result on the weekend. Mayo fans probably a bit more (and for good historical reason).
There seems to be little (nothing) coming out of both camps. Both keeping to themselves and keeping it very private. This is the Journalists nightmare. In these cases quotes from a few weeks back from players will be recycled. The COC issue is even dead.
From my own perspective, I have to say Horan has done well since we qualified with Little Comment or rublbish cliches or no comment. The players have gone unnoticed and the fans are wondering how to deal with this limbo they have found themselves in this year.
Many go on about the Dubs and their (supposed) we are better than ye culchies stereotype. But I have found in general to be likable crowd. In Fairness despite having an AI from '11 and a League from '13. There is hardly any snobbery that you may get from counties from a different province.
Anyway here's to a good fair hard game.
McStay cutely giving examples of Referees giving wrong decisions.
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Such a hard game to call. Would like to think Dublin will win by a point or two but there's a definite feel of destiny around Mayo this year.At the back of my mind there's a feeling that Dublin will convert their chances and put up a big score but then again if they've continually squandered goal chances this season logic says they won't suddenly convert a higher ratio of them on Sunday. Dublin's "weakest" line it could be argued in the semi was the HF line and this was Mayo's strongest I felt so will this tip the balance in the Westerners favour?? Whilst Dublin mightn't win primary possession against the O'Sheas I'd take McAuley and O'Sullivan against anyone over 70 minutes.
Anyway I think it'll be a close run thing and I wouldn't begrudge Mayo their long awaited win though I hope they have to wait a bit longer.
By the way if Mayo do win will the supporters invade the pitch??? Hope not but I get the sense from talking to a few lads that it'll be mighty hard to stop them
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 17, 2013, 01:27:14 PM
This stream is the most deadest stream I've ever seen coming up to a AI Final. Both sets of supporters seem to be slightly terrified of the result on the weekend. Mayo fans probably a bit more (and for good historical reason).
There seems to be little (nothing) coming out of both camps. Both keeping to themselves and keeping it very private. This is the Journalists nightmare. In these cases quotes from a few weeks back from players will be recycled. The COC issue is even dead.
From my own perspective, I have to say Horan has done well since we qualified with Little Comment or rublbish cliches or no comment. The players have gone unnoticed and the fans are wondering how to deal with this limbo they have found themselves in this year.
Many go on about the Dubs and their (supposed) we are better than ye culchies stereotype. But I have found in general to be likable. In Fairness despite having an AI from '11 and a League from '13. There is hardly any snobbery that you may get from counties from a different province.
Anyway here's to a good fair hard game.
I see one of our recently ex- players in the indo today..........had a quick read.......claims to be happier outside the team than inside......good riddance
Quote from: Declan on September 17, 2013, 01:57:54 PM
Hope not but I get the sense from talking to a few lads that it'll be mighty hard to stop them
Why do you hope not? I'll probably be hooked up to a defibrillator by the final whistle....
Quote from: Declan on September 17, 2013, 01:57:54 PM
Such a hard game to call. Would like to think Dublin will win by a point or two but there's a definite feel of destiny around Mayo this year.At the back of my mind there's a feeling that Dublin will convert their chances and put up a big score but then again if they've continually squandered goal chances this season logic says they won't suddenly convert a higher ratio of them on Sunday. Dublin's "weakest" line it could be argued in the semi was the HF line and this was Mayo's strongest I felt so will this tip the balance in the Westerners favour?? Whilst Dublin mightn't win primary possession against the O'Sheas I'd take McAuley and O'Sullivan against anyone over 70 minutes.
Anyway I think it'll be a close run thing and I wouldn't begrudge Mayo their long awaited win though I hope they have to wait a bit longer.
By the way if Mayo do win will the supporters invade the pitch??? Hope not but I get the sense from talking to a few lads that it'll be mighty hard to stop them
It will be a serious issue for Croke park authorities. And one I'd say they have though long and hard about. Numbers and enthusiasm are the key factors. Who were the last set of fans to invade? Armagh 2002?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 17, 2013, 02:24:11 PM
Quote from: Declan on September 17, 2013, 01:57:54 PM
Such a hard game to call. Would like to think Dublin will win by a point or two but there's a definite feel of destiny around Mayo this year.At the back of my mind there's a feeling that Dublin will convert their chances and put up a big score but then again if they've continually squandered goal chances this season logic says they won't suddenly convert a higher ratio of them on Sunday. Dublin's "weakest" line it could be argued in the semi was the HF line and this was Mayo's strongest I felt so will this tip the balance in the Westerners favour?? Whilst Dublin mightn't win primary possession against the O'Sheas I'd take McAuley and O'Sullivan against anyone over 70 minutes.
Anyway I think it'll be a close run thing and I wouldn't begrudge Mayo their long awaited win though I hope they have to wait a bit longer.
By the way if Mayo do win will the supporters invade the pitch??? Hope not but I get the sense from talking to a few lads that it'll be mighty hard to stop them
It will be a serious issue for Croke park authorities. And one I'd say they have though long and hard about. Numbers and enthusiasm are the key factors. Who were the last set of fans to invade? Armagh 2002?
Kerry 09...the famous Plan B.
We're all sorted now! :P
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Some of the Mayo people at work here (four ) were actually discussing that earlier today. Whether the pitch will be invaded or not after the game?????? Most of them are bandwagoners to be fair but not one of them is even contemplating a Mayo loss on Sunday.
Odd dynamic for the game on Sunday, a team without an AI win in generations trying to beat a team over whom they have a hex.
Quote from: Canalman on September 17, 2013, 02:56:12 PM
Some of the Mayo people at work here (four ) were actually discussing that earlier today. Whether the pitch will be invaded or not after the game?????? Most of them are bandwagoners to be fair but not one of them is even contemplating a Mayo loss on Sunday.
Odd dynamic for the game on Sunday, a team without an AI win in generations trying to beat a team over whom they have a hex.
Being honest Canalman there is no over confidence here in Mayo. Even if it were a semi-final it would be the same. We realise Dublin are a top notch side and earlier in the year we knew if we got to this stage we would be more than likely playing them. So of course there is the old worries of old failings, but curse or no curse Dublin still have to beat us. It won't just happen!
Quote from: Canalman on September 17, 2013, 02:56:12 PM
Some of the Mayo people at work here (four ) were actually discussing that earlier today. Whether the pitch will be invaded or not after the game?????? Most of them are bandwagoners to be fair but not one of them is even contemplating a Mayo loss on Sunday.
Odd dynamic for the game on Sunday, a team without an AI win in generations trying to beat a team over whom they have a hex.
Personally Mayo not winning Sam since 1951 or Dublin not beating Mayo in Championship football since 1985 will have zero influence on Sunday's senior A.I. final.
Was looking at Blogs and forums from the AI final in 2004. Scary stuff, allot of posters were picking Mayo to win. Saying these lads were different to other Mayo teams. Anybody that picked Kerry, said it wold only be by a few points. Sound familiar?
dublin by 2.
cluxton to top score with 3 frees and 2 45's.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 17, 2013, 03:26:24 PM
Was looking at Blogs and forums from the AI final in 2004. Scary stuff, allot of posters were picking Mayo to win. Saying these lads were different to other Mayo teams. Anybody that picked Kerry, said it wold only be by a few points. Sound familiar?
Why, why, why would you do that?
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Quote from: From the Bunker on September 17, 2013, 02:53:18 PM
We're all sorted now! :P
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"As Andy Moran, the present team captain, said recently, the reason we haven't won an All-Ireland title since 1951 is because we weren't good enough."
Tight matches can go either way. Losing a final by a point doesn't mean "not good enough" . "Didn't have the bit of luck" would also be fair to say.
Yes but that bounce off the grassy mole agin Meath, twas the curse. No less. there were evils at work and then Meath being Meath just give you the "hidin at the hill" for badness.
Colm Coyle was a great man for curses.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 17, 2013, 02:24:11 PM
Quote from: Declan on September 17, 2013, 01:57:54 PM
Such a hard game to call. Would like to think Dublin will win by a point or two but there's a definite feel of destiny around Mayo this year.At the back of my mind there's a feeling that Dublin will convert their chances and put up a big score but then again if they've continually squandered goal chances this season logic says they won't suddenly convert a higher ratio of them on Sunday. Dublin's "weakest" line it could be argued in the semi was the HF line and this was Mayo's strongest I felt so will this tip the balance in the Westerners favour?? Whilst Dublin mightn't win primary possession against the O'Sheas I'd take McAuley and O'Sullivan against anyone over 70 minutes.
Anyway I think it'll be a close run thing and I wouldn't begrudge Mayo their long awaited win though I hope they have to wait a bit longer.
By the way if Mayo do win will the supporters invade the pitch??? Hope not but I get the sense from talking to a few lads that it'll be mighty hard to stop them
It will be a serious issue for Croke park authorities. And one I'd say they have though long and hard about. Numbers and enthusiasm are the key factors. Who were the last set of fans to invade? Armagh 2002?
It would be a great pity it Mayo fans were to invade the pitch if they won on Sunday. The biggest losers would be the majority of Mayo fans who would remain in the stands.
One of the most memorable highlights of the Dubs win in 2011 was that the team could remain on the pitch for up to half an hour after the presentation savouring the win with the crowd. Anyone who was there will never forget it.
Yeah, you can't beat standing on the Hill clapping while your team walk around an empty pitch.
That's why the GAA and RTE never use footage of pitch invasions in their promotional campaigns.
Some of the best GAA moments this year was the supporters of Monaghan,Limerick celebrating on the field after a long wait to win titles. Unfortunately those great scenes won't happen on Sunday as A) Mayo are unlikely to win B) could be a draw or C) the plastic mesh and Hill 16 fence will prevent supporters from entering the field.
Quote from: highorlow on September 17, 2013, 09:53:08 AM
QuoteLike most of the top teams Mayo have some younger players still developing however most of the Key players are at peak age now
Please elaborate?
23 is it? or 24?
Aforementioned Andy Moran,Alan Dillion and Keith Higgins,Colm Boyle,Ger Cafferkey will all be in their late twenties next year. The younger players Aidan O'Shea,O'Connor,McLoughlin don't have the same mileage as those players and will continue to develop, the rest its no guarantee if they will be starters in years to come.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2013, 05:17:13 PM
Some of the best GAA moments this year was the supporters of Monaghan,Limerick celebrating on the field after a long wait to win titles. Unfortunately those great scenes won't happen on Sunday as A) Mayo are unlikely to win B) could be a draw or C) the plastic mesh and Hill 16 fence will prevent supporters from entering the field.
;D You do realise there will be lads from Belmullet,Ballycroy ect in the stands...wishful thinking you think a bit of mesh will do the business. I'm in row D in the lower Cusack....and I'll be going for it IF we win. I'm a big enough fcuker too...well able to take a running jump 8)
Quote from: ballinaman on September 17, 2013, 05:29:39 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2013, 05:17:13 PM
Some of the best GAA moments this year was the supporters of Monaghan,Limerick celebrating on the field after a long wait to win titles. Unfortunately those great scenes won't happen on Sunday as A) Mayo are unlikely to win B) could be a draw or C) the plastic mesh and Hill 16 fence will prevent supporters from entering the field.
;D You do realise there will be lads from Belmullet,Ballycroy ect in the stands...wishful thinking you think a bit of mesh will do the business. I'm in row D in the lower Cusack....and I'll be going for it IF we win. I'm a big enough fcuker too...well able to take a running jump 8)
Its very durable mesh you will need the help of Aidan O'Shea to break through it.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 17, 2013, 05:29:39 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2013, 05:17:13 PM
Some of the best GAA moments this year was the supporters of Monaghan,Limerick celebrating on the field after a long wait to win titles. Unfortunately those great scenes won't happen on Sunday as A) Mayo are unlikely to win B) could be a draw or C) the plastic mesh and Hill 16 fence will prevent supporters from entering the field.
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;D You do realise there will be lads from Belmullet,Ballycroy ect in the stands...wishful thinking you think a bit of mesh will do the business. I'm in row D in the lower Cusack....and I'll be going for it IF we win. I'm a big enough fcuker too...well able to take a running jump 8)
Yeah and why have these brave men acted like big pussies since the start of the week trying to rid themselves of hill 16 tickets.
I swear to Christ I love my county but when it really comes down to a bit of stand up and be counted Mayo men are renowned for shyness.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2013, 05:39:40 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 17, 2013, 05:29:39 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2013, 05:17:13 PM
Some of the best GAA moments this year was the supporters of Monaghan,Limerick celebrating on the field after a long wait to win titles. Unfortunately those great scenes won't happen on Sunday as A) Mayo are unlikely to win B) could be a draw or C) the plastic mesh and Hill 16 fence will prevent supporters from entering the field.
;D You do realise there will be lads from Belmullet,Ballycroy ect in the stands...wishful thinking you think a bit of mesh will do the business. I'm in row D in the lower Cusack....and I'll be going for it IF we win. I'm a big enough fcuker too...well able to take a running jump 8)
Its very durable mesh you will need the help of Aidan O'Shea to break through it.
No mesh for finals. I took the Croke Park tour twice in past year, and they dont do mesh for finals. Getting down from upper levels will be a bigger issue, if we win.
Lads...how high is the mesh?
Would yiz not be better off having a bit of respect for the hard graft the players put in and stay where you are and let them celebrate with you and with each other without them being mobbed!
Buckos ye are loosing the run of yourselves altogether........................sure David Brady is going to wear a pink thong and all .........newstalk radio he said it live on the air and all..............this coming from a guy who for years hadn't a good word to say about dublin players living in the limelight..........................now look at him lapping it up at every opportunity, cashing in on the young mayos buckos successes
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 17, 2013, 07:15:26 PM
Buckos ye are loosing the run of yourselves altogether........................sure David Brady is going to wear a pink thong and all .........newstalk radio he said it live on the air and all..............this coming from a guy who for years hadn't a good word to say about dublin players living in the limelight..........................now look at him lapping it up at every opportunity, cashing in on the young mayos buckos successes
What are you worried about David Brady for, ya fookin jackeen count.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 17, 2013, 07:38:08 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 17, 2013, 07:15:26 PM
Buckos ye are loosing the run of yourselves altogether........................sure David Brady is going to wear a pink thong and all .........newstalk radio he said it live on the air and all..............this coming from a guy who for years hadn't a good word to say about dublin players living in the limelight..........................now look at him lapping it up at every opportunity, cashing in on the young mayos buckos successes
What are you worried about David Brady for, ya fookin jackeen count.
ah lovely.................................... hope Im sitting near you .....................
Quote from: joemamas on September 17, 2013, 06:13:36 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2013, 05:39:40 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 17, 2013, 05:29:39 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2013, 05:17:13 PM
Some of the best GAA moments this year was the supporters of Monaghan,Limerick celebrating on the field after a long wait to win titles. Unfortunately those great scenes won't happen on Sunday as A) Mayo are unlikely to win B) could be a draw or C) the plastic mesh and Hill 16 fence will prevent supporters from entering the field.
;D You do realise there will be lads from Belmullet,Ballycroy ect in the stands...wishful thinking you think a bit of mesh will do the business. I'm in row D in the lower Cusack....and I'll be going for it IF we win. I'm a big enough fcuker too...well able to take a running jump 8)
Its very durable mesh you will need the help of Aidan O'Shea to break through it.
No mesh for finals. I took the Croke Park tour twice in past year, and they dont do mesh for finals. Getting down from upper levels will be a bigger issue, if we win.
Just bought a length of rope. Gonna abseil down Navy SEALS style.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0917/474829-horan-enjoying-fascinating-journey/
James Horan enjoying 'fascinating journey' with Mayo ahead of All-Ireland final
Mayo manager James Horan is enjoying a "fascintating journey" as his side prepare for another All-Ireland Football final this weekend.
Horan has led the county to three Connacht titles in succession and there is yet another opportunity to end the 62-year wait for an All-Ireland success against Dublin on Sunday.
While there is pressure to finally bring Sam Maguire back to Mayo, Horan is pleased to see his team improving under his leadership.
He told RTÉ Sport: "It's always a fascinating journey and you're learning all the time. There are new things popping up all the time. We have a lot of experience from last year as regards the prep for the final – that's good to have in the back pocket we'll certainly use the lessons we learned.
"I just think we are improving year on year. This is a three year project and we're in the third year of it. This year we've put an increased focus on the skills of the game – right from the basics right through to tackling.
"Our ball retention is good. Our first touch is good. Our kicking and hand passing have improved dramatically. They are the things that make us more effective when we have the ball.
"We're keeping our heads down. We're working hard on the training field to try and prepare as well as we can for September 22nd.
"Mayo people have learned over the years about how to prepare for a game as well. It's important they enjoy it too. It's an occasion for them.
"For us it's about playing a game of football and getting the best performance we can possibly get. They do their thing. We do ours."
Many believe Mayo have overcome their inability to perform on the big stage, with wins over Donegal and Tyrone on the way to the final filling the county with confidence ahead of this clash with the Dubs.
Horan is lifted by the manner of the win over Tyrone and the strength of the panel going into this final.
He said: "Tyrone are a difficult team to play. We hadn't come up against a team like them throughout the Championship. It took us a while to get to grips with it. They started the game very, very well and shook us. But we came through it.
"We changed and adapted as we needed to throughout the game. We got stronger and stronger as the game progressed – that was very encouraging from my point of view.
"We had eight or nine serious injuries right throughout the league, so in one way that forced us to use a lot of subs and we had quite a number of players who played National League.
"That has stood to us in the course of the Championship. You saw that against Tyrone. A couple of those guys came on and did very well for us. We have a very strong panel. It's very competitive."
The following are the reasons I think Dublin can win -
Dublin are playing at home (well they are?).
Dublin have already played 7 competitive League matches in Croker and 5 competitive Championship matches in Croker - 12 in all in Croker.
Dublin are unbeaten in competitive league and Championship matches since March 16.
Dublin have only lost once this year in competitive league and Championship matches.
Dublin have already beaten Mayo twice in Competitive matches in Croker this year. 2-14 to 0-16 and
Dublin have no major injury worries.
Dublin have a better bench to change a game compared to Mayo.
Dublin have better forwards.
Dublin have marquee forwards.
Dublin have recently won an AI which means they know how to win one.
Dublin are League Champions.
Dublin have had a harder route to the final, beating Kildare, Meath, Cork and Kerry.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 17, 2013, 09:09:08 PM
Dublin have no major injury worries.
In fairness if Alan Brogan was fit he would be starting for Dublin.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 17, 2013, 05:01:50 PM
One of the most memorable highlights of the Dubs win in 2011 was that the team could remain on the pitch for up to half an hour after the presentation savouring the win with the crowd. Anyone who was there will never forget it.
I was on the Hill. It sucked.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 17, 2013, 01:51:42 PM
McStay cutely giving examples of Referees giving wrong decisions.
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=201108 (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=201108)
He has lost any credibilty he had with that nonsense.
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on September 17, 2013, 09:40:26 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 17, 2013, 01:51:42 PM
McStay cutely giving examples of Referees giving wrong decisions.
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=201108 (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=201108)
He has lost any credibilty he had with that nonsense.
He is of course 100% correct. Too many games are decided by referees. But that s nothing new. Nothing sinister about his comments though - just stating the facts.
And a man that has just managed a team to win an AI by beating Crossmaglen Rangers and Ballymun Kichams has little credibility ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
watever about crosmaglen, but ballymun came frum nowhere to win dublin chmpionship, never mind leinster and get ot an all ireland final. beating thrm is hardly a massive achievemnt
Quote from: Sidney on September 17, 2013, 09:35:44 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 17, 2013, 05:01:50 PM
One of the most memorable highlights of the Dubs win in 2011 was that the team could remain on the pitch for up to half an hour after the presentation savouring the win with the crowd. Anyone who was there will never forget it.
I was on the Hill. It sucked.
I was on the Hill. It was fantastic.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 17, 2013, 09:55:29 PM
Quote from: Sidney on September 17, 2013, 09:35:44 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 17, 2013, 05:01:50 PM
One of the most memorable highlights of the Dubs win in 2011 was that the team could remain on the pitch for up to half an hour after the presentation savouring the win with the crowd. Anyone who was there will never forget it.
I was on the Hill. It sucked.
I was on the Hill. It was fantastic.
I agree. never forget that day. as long as i live
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 17, 2013, 03:18:08 PM
Personally Mayo not winning Sam since 1951 or Dublin not beating Mayo in Championship football since 1985 will have zero influence on Sunday's senior A.I. final.
Don't know about that, all those boys on the Mayo team have been brought up with that long wait for Sam and will know very well what it means to the county. Doesn't have to be a negative though, it can also be a motivation if it's used properly. Wishful thinking though I'd suggest to say it will have "zero influence". The Dublin side of things I don't see as being a factor, Dublin not beating Mayo in the championship since 1985 is hardly comparable to Mayo's long wait for Sam.
I know the Mayo people on here are sick and tired of this kind of talk but I would have doubts still about the mental toughness of this team. They had Dublin well beaten last year and stopped playing and were lucky to win. I know some Mayo posters here say there were injuries taking their toll there but the fact was that Mayo lost the head in the closing stages of that game. They then made a very poor start to the Final and never really looked like they were going to turn it around, even when they got closer to Donegal later in the game.
Hasn't been an issue this year until the semi when Tyrone started well and Mayo promptly lost the head, kicking possession away, making poor decisions and missing easy frees. It wasn't just a case of Mayo being outplayed for a spell - they were very obviously having a wobble there on probably the first occasion this summer that any real questions were asked of them. Now you can argue that they dug their way back from that to win well, but the fact was that Tyrone had them on the ropes but didn't have the firepower to really pull away (losing key men down the spine of the team didn't help either). Dublin have significantly better forwards than Tyrone and should they get Mayo into that kind of position they will put up a much better score than the 0-7 Tyrone managed in that first half. Any Mayo wobble will be properly punished.
As such I reckon there are still major questions to be answered by this Mayo team when they are put under pressure - questions they can only answer really by winning the AI. Have my doubts, but I wish them all the best.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 17, 2013, 09:55:29 PM
Quote from: Sidney on September 17, 2013, 09:35:44 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 17, 2013, 05:01:50 PM
One of the most memorable highlights of the Dubs win in 2011 was that the team could remain on the pitch for up to half an hour after the presentation savouring the win with the crowd. Anyone who was there will never forget it.
I was on the Hill. It sucked.
I was on the Hill. It was fantastic.
I was on my couch and had switch over as nothing memorable was happening.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2013, 10:11:52 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 17, 2013, 09:55:29 PM
Quote from: Sidney on September 17, 2013, 09:35:44 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 17, 2013, 05:01:50 PM
One of the most memorable highlights of the Dubs win in 2011 was that the team could remain on the pitch for up to half an hour after the presentation savouring the win with the crowd. Anyone who was there will never forget it.
I was on the Hill. It sucked.
I was on the Hill. It was fantastic.
I was on my couch and had switch over as nothing memorable was happening.
I got out to the pub early as the celebrations were so boring, and what a great decision - Fernando Torres's miss in the Manchester United - Chelsea match will live with me forever.
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Quote from: BartSimpson on September 17, 2013, 09:52:40 PM
watever about crosmaglen, but ballymun came frum nowhere to win dublin chmpionship, never mind leinster and get ot an all ireland final. beating thrm is hardly a massive achievemnt
Course it was. Dublin champions are not expected to lose to teams from Connacht. And a team does not win a Dublin championship from nowhere. Ballymun got a very good run going and are a fine team.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on September 17, 2013, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 17, 2013, 03:18:08 PM
Personally Mayo not winning Sam since 1951 or Dublin not beating Mayo in Championship football since 1985 will have zero influence on Sunday's senior A.I. final.
Don't know about that, all those boys on the Mayo team have been brought up with that long wait for Sam and will know very well what it means to the county. Doesn't have to be a negative though, it can also be a motivation if it's used properly. Wishful thinking though I'd suggest to say it will have "zero influence". The Dublin side of things I don't see as being a factor, Dublin not beating Mayo in the championship since 1985 is hardly comparable to Mayo's long wait for Sam.
I know the Mayo people on here are sick and tired of this kind of talk but I would have doubts still about the mental toughness of this team. They had Dublin well beaten last year and stopped playing and were lucky to win. I know some Mayo posters here say there were injuries taking their toll there but the fact was that Mayo lost the head in the closing stages of that game. They then made a very poor start to the Final and never really looked like they were going to turn it around, even when they got closer to Donegal later in the game.
Hasn't been an issue this year until the semi when Tyrone started well and Mayo promptly lost the head, kicking possession away, making poor decisions and missing easy frees. It wasn't just a case of Mayo being outplayed for a spell - they were very obviously having a wobble there on probably the first occasion this summer that any real questions were asked of them. Now you can argue that they dug their way back from that to win well, but the fact was that Tyrone had them on the ropes but didn't have the firepower to really pull away (losing key men down the spine of the team didn't help either). Dublin have significantly better forwards than Tyrone and should they get Mayo into that kind of position they will put up a much better score than the 0-7 Tyrone managed in that first half. Any Mayo wobble will be properly punished.
As such I reckon there are still major questions to be answered by this Mayo team when they are put under pressure - questions they can only answer really by winning the AI. Have my doubts, but I wish them all the best.
Boyle was out before the game due to illness.
Lee Keegan off the field dislocated finger.
Kevin McLoughlin took an accidental knee to the head from Macauley.
Aidan O'Se had to go off with 10 minutes to go as he was not match fit.
That's four of the middle eight that did not play the full game. Now any way you look at it, that is disruption! We did that year what Kerry failed to do the year before. We closed the game out!
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on September 17, 2013, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 17, 2013, 03:18:08 PM
Personally Mayo not winning Sam since 1951 or Dublin not beating Mayo in Championship football since 1985 will have zero influence on Sunday's senior A.I. final.
Don't know about that, all those boys on the Mayo team have been brought up with that long wait for Sam and will know very well what it means to the county. Doesn't have to be a negative though, it can also be a motivation if it's used properly. Wishful thinking though I'd suggest to say it will have "zero influence". The Dublin side of things I don't see as being a factor, Dublin not beating Mayo in the championship since 1985 is hardly comparable to Mayo's long wait for Sam.
I know the Mayo people on here are sick and tired of this kind of talk but I would have doubts still about the mental toughness of this team. They had Dublin well beaten last year and stopped playing and were lucky to win. I know some Mayo posters here say there were injuries taking their toll there but the fact was that Mayo lost the head in the closing stages of that game. They then made a very poor start to the Final and never really looked like they were going to turn it around, even when they got closer to Donegal later in the game.
Hasn't been an issue this year until the semi when Tyrone started well and Mayo promptly lost the head, kicking possession away, making poor decisions and missing easy frees. It wasn't just a case of Mayo being outplayed for a spell - they were very obviously having a wobble there on probably the first occasion this summer that any real questions were asked of them. Now you can argue that they dug their way back from that to win well, but the fact was that Tyrone had them on the ropes but didn't have the firepower to really pull away (losing key men down the spine of the team didn't help either). Dublin have significantly better forwards than Tyrone and should they get Mayo into that kind of position they will put up a much better score than the 0-7 Tyrone managed in that first half. Any Mayo wobble will be properly punished.As such I reckon there are still major questions to be answered by this Mayo team when they are put under pressure - questions they can only answer really by winning the AI. Have my doubts, but I wish them all the best.
Fair play.
As a Mayo man maybe I should be more upbeat but nothing I have heard or seen resonates with me more than that.
Maybe it explains my beligerence in a recent post.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on September 17, 2013, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 17, 2013, 03:18:08 PM
Personally Mayo not winning Sam since 1951 or Dublin not beating Mayo in Championship football since 1985 will have zero influence on Sunday's senior A.I. final.
Don't know about that, all those boys on the Mayo team have been brought up with that long wait for Sam and will know very well what it means to the county. Doesn't have to be a negative though, it can also be a motivation if it's used properly. Wishful thinking though I'd suggest to say it will have "zero influence". The Dublin side of things I don't see as being a factor, Dublin not beating Mayo in the championship since 1985 is hardly comparable to Mayo's long wait for Sam.
I know the Mayo people on here are sick and tired of this kind of talk but I would have doubts still about the mental toughness of this team. They had Dublin well beaten last year and stopped playing and were lucky to win. I know some Mayo posters here say there were injuries taking their toll there but the fact was that Mayo lost the head in the closing stages of that game. They then made a very poor start to the Final and never really looked like they were going to turn it around, even when they got closer to Donegal later in the game.
Hasn't been an issue this year until the semi when Tyrone started well and Mayo promptly lost the head, kicking possession away, making poor decisions and missing easy frees. It wasn't just a case of Mayo being outplayed for a spell - they were very obviously having a wobble there on probably the first occasion this summer that any real questions were asked of them. Now you can argue that they dug their way back from that to win well, but the fact was that Tyrone had them on the ropes but didn't have the firepower to really pull away (losing key men down the spine of the team didn't help either). Dublin have significantly better forwards than Tyrone and should they get Mayo into that kind of position they will put up a much better score than the 0-7 Tyrone managed in that first half. Any Mayo wobble will be properly punished.
As such I reckon there are still major questions to be answered by this Mayo team when they are put under pressure - questions they can only answer really by winning the AI. Have my doubts, but I wish them all the best.
Bit of a selective memory?
No mention of the man who scored two hatricks in one and a half games *que cliche line ''sure that was only against London and a hungover Donegal" *
You continue to ignore the fact that our two tails men up front are both injured and off form. If your going to mention the Tyrone ones its only fair you mention Mayos ones also.
In addition you fail to mention that we have a better defense than Dublin, so much so that even some 'experts' say we have the best half back line in the country.
We have come back in many games under James Horan after being four points down at half time. This mentality label on Mayo teams is really beginning to bore now.
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 17, 2013, 11:32:00 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on September 17, 2013, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 17, 2013, 03:18:08 PM
Personally Mayo not winning Sam since 1951 or Dublin not beating Mayo in Championship football since 1985 will have zero influence on Sunday's senior A.I. final.
Don't know about that, all those boys on the Mayo team have been brought up with that long wait for Sam and will know very well what it means to the county. Doesn't have to be a negative though, it can also be a motivation if it's used properly. Wishful thinking though I'd suggest to say it will have "zero influence". The Dublin side of things I don't see as being a factor, Dublin not beating Mayo in the championship since 1985 is hardly comparable to Mayo's long wait for Sam.
I know the Mayo people on here are sick and tired of this kind of talk but I would have doubts still about the mental toughness of this team. They had Dublin well beaten last year and stopped playing and were lucky to win. I know some Mayo posters here say there were injuries taking their toll there but the fact was that Mayo lost the head in the closing stages of that game. They then made a very poor start to the Final and never really looked like they were going to turn it around, even when they got closer to Donegal later in the game.
Hasn't been an issue this year until the semi when Tyrone started well and Mayo promptly lost the head, kicking possession away, making poor decisions and missing easy frees. It wasn't just a case of Mayo being outplayed for a spell - they were very obviously having a wobble there on probably the first occasion this summer that any real questions were asked of them. Now you can argue that they dug their way back from that to win well, but the fact was that Tyrone had them on the ropes but didn't have the firepower to really pull away (losing key men down the spine of the team didn't help either). Dublin have significantly better forwards than Tyrone and should they get Mayo into that kind of position they will put up a much better score than the 0-7 Tyrone managed in that first half. Any Mayo wobble will be properly punished.
As such I reckon there are still major questions to be answered by this Mayo team when they are put under pressure - questions they can only answer really by winning the AI. Have my doubts, but I wish them all the best.
Bit of a selective memory?
No mention of the man who scored two hatricks in one and a half games *que cliche line ''sure that was only against London and a hungover Donegal" *
You continue to ignore the fact that our two tails men up front are both injured and off form. If your going to mention the Tyrone ones its only fair you mention Mayos ones also.
In addition you fail to mention that we have a better defense than Dublin, so much so that even some 'experts' say we have the best half back line in the country.
We have come back in many games under James Horan after being four points down at half time. This mentality label on Mayo teams is really beginning to bore now.
Don t shoot the messenger Sam. It s a fine judgement call as far as I m concerned.
This is the best Mayo team/management that I ve witnessed. No harm being aware of an achilles heel or others pointng it out. Waste of time trying to spin out of it. There are no excuses any more.
Hi guys,
Second part of our preview up now. Here's a tactical profile of Dublin with video
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7651
Thanks,
Emmet
Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2013, 12:33:40 AM
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 17, 2013, 11:32:00 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on September 17, 2013, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 17, 2013, 03:18:08 PM
Personally Mayo not winning Sam since 1951 or Dublin not beating Mayo in Championship football since 1985 will have zero influence on Sunday's senior A.I. final.
Don't know about that, all those boys on the Mayo team have been brought up with that long wait for Sam and will know very well what it means to the county. Doesn't have to be a negative though, it can also be a motivation if it's used properly. Wishful thinking though I'd suggest to say it will have "zero influence". The Dublin side of things I don't see as being a factor, Dublin not beating Mayo in the championship since 1985 is hardly comparable to Mayo's long wait for Sam.
I know the Mayo people on here are sick and tired of this kind of talk but I would have doubts still about the mental toughness of this team. They had Dublin well beaten last year and stopped playing and were lucky to win. I know some Mayo posters here say there were injuries taking their toll there but the fact was that Mayo lost the head in the closing stages of that game. They then made a very poor start to the Final and never really looked like they were going to turn it around, even when they got closer to Donegal later in the game.
Hasn't been an issue this year until the semi when Tyrone started well and Mayo promptly lost the head, kicking possession away, making poor decisions and missing easy frees. It wasn't just a case of Mayo being outplayed for a spell - they were very obviously having a wobble there on probably the first occasion this summer that any real questions were asked of them. Now you can argue that they dug their way back from that to win well, but the fact was that Tyrone had them on the ropes but didn't have the firepower to really pull away (losing key men down the spine of the team didn't help either). Dublin have significantly better forwards than Tyrone and should they get Mayo into that kind of position they will put up a much better score than the 0-7 Tyrone managed in that first half. Any Mayo wobble will be properly punished.
As such I reckon there are still major questions to be answered by this Mayo team when they are put under pressure - questions they can only answer really by winning the AI. Have my doubts, but I wish them all the best.
Bit of a selective memory?
No mention of the man who scored two hatricks in one and a half games *que cliche line ''sure that was only against London and a hungover Donegal" *
You continue to ignore the fact that our two tails men up front are both injured and off form. If your going to mention the Tyrone ones its only fair you mention Mayos ones also.
In addition you fail to mention that we have a better defense than Dublin, so much so that even some 'experts' say we have the best half back line in the country.
We have come back in many games under James Horan after being four points down at half time. This mentality label on Mayo teams is really beginning to bore now.
Don t shoot the messenger Sam. It s a fine judgement call as far as I m concerned.
This is the best Mayo team/management that I ve witnessed. No harm being aware of an achilles heel or others pointng it out. Waste of time trying to spin out of it. There are no excuses any more.
Have to agree. The only argument against it with any substance will have to be on the pitch on Sunday
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on September 17, 2013, 10:05:51 PM
Hasn't been an issue this year until the semi when Tyrone started well and Mayo promptly lost the head, kicking possession away, making poor decisions and missing easy frees. It wasn't just a case of Mayo being outplayed for a spell - they were very obviously having a wobble there on probably the first occasion this summer that any real questions were asked of them. Now you can argue that they dug their way back from that to win well, but the fact was that Tyrone had them on the ropes but didn't have the firepower to really pull away (losing key men down the spine of the team didn't help either). Dublin have significantly better forwards than Tyrone and should they get Mayo into that kind of position they will put up a much better score than the 0-7 Tyrone managed in that first half. Any Mayo wobble will be properly punished.
The Dubs had a very similar experience against Tyrone in the league final. Completely ran out of ideas and were playing really stupid football, but again Tyrone had nobody to kick the ball over the bar and put Dublin away. Eventually a corner back kicked a long range point for us and we copped ourselves on and kicked on to win, but Tyrone should have had us beat out the gate by then.
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 17, 2013, 11:32:00 PM
Bit of a selective memory?
No mention of the man who scored two hatricks in one and a half games *que cliche line ''sure that was only against London and a hungover Donegal" *
You continue to ignore the fact that our two tails men up front are both injured and off form. If your going to mention the Tyrone ones its only fair you mention Mayos ones also.
In addition you fail to mention that we have a better defense than Dublin, so much so that even some 'experts' say we have the best half back line in the country.
We have come back in many games under James Horan after being four points down at half time. This mentality label on Mayo teams is really beginning to bore now.
Indeed, I did qualify my post at the start by saying that Mayo people would be sick and tired of the point I was going to make! But that doesn't mean it's not a valid point. And to be fair I am not talking about Mayo teamS here, I am talking about the current team.
To pick up the points you have made I had no need to talk about how good your attack or defence is because I wasn't questioning the quality of your players. Mayo are an excellent team, that's not in dispute. The injuries aren't really relevant either because I don't think they were to blame for the clear collective panic that spread through the Mayo team for a spell against Tyrone. Now as I said your team regrouped and won well and perhaps that in itself will have done them the power of good. I hope so because Mayo are a fine team and the county has waited long enough for an AI. I hope you do it but I think the points I have raised are fair and it would some Mayo posters at least agree! Good luck and may your team silence me in style at the weekend.
Forecast for weekend is looking promising!
Just a point in all of this and i would be interested in getting views on, that is on how physical and strong are Mayo generally, as well as in the tackle and breaking through tackles, Aidan o Sheas point against Tyrone where he broke through the two man tackle at about 66 minutes, that is serious strength and fitness..............have the dubs met any team yet that are a physical as Mayo?
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 18, 2013, 09:43:21 AM
Just a point in all of this and i would be interested in getting views on, that is how physical and strong Mayo generally as well as in the tackle and breaking through tackles, Aidan o Sheas point against Tyrone where he broke through the two man tackle at about 66 minutes, that is serious strength and fitness..............have the dubs met any team yet that are a physical as Mayo?
I think Cork are just as physical, in terms of stature, but as the Mayo players are a lot faster they hit with much more force when tackling and breaking through. But i would also argue that Mayo havent met a team that are anywhere near as physical as Dublin are.
It promises to be an absorbing contest, and as mayo havent been sternly tested in the final 15 minutes of a game, against tyrone included, I can see the dubs winning it in the final quarter. I can see mayo tying up in the last 15 minutes, shit scared of making mistakes, and the dubs pushing on to win it.
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Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 18, 2013, 09:43:21 AM
Just a point in all of this and i would be interested in getting views on, that is how physical and strong Mayo generally as well as in the tackle and breaking through tackles, Aidan o Sheas point against Tyrone where he broke through the two man tackle at about 66 minutes, that is serious strength and fitness..............have the dubs met any team yet that are a physical as Mayo?
I think Cork are just as physical, in terms of stature, but as the Mayo players are a lot faster they hit with much more force when tackling and breaking through. But i would also argue that Mayo havent met a team that are anywhere near as physical as Dublin are.
It promises to be an absorbing contest, and as mayo havent been sternly tested in the final 15 minutes of a game, against tyrone included, I can see the dubs winning it in the final quarter. I can see mayo tying up in the last 15 minutes, shit scared of making mistakes, and the dubs pushing on to win it.
You're assuming that Dublin will still be in touch in the final 15 mins :P Joking aside, I really can't see Mayo wilting away in the final 15 mins. What was it that Shannon quoted as saying 'Prepare to die in your boots' .. or something to that effect. So come what may on Sunday, Mayo will fight to the very end.
Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2013, 12:33:40 AM
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 17, 2013, 03:18:08 PM
Personally Mayo not winning Sam since 1951 or Dublin not beating Mayo in Championship football since 1985 will have zero influence on Sunday's senior A.I. final.
Don't know about that, all those boys on the Mayo team have been brought up with that long wait for Sam and will know very well what it means to the county. Doesn't have to be a negative though, it can also be a motivation if it's used properly. Wishful thinking though I'd suggest to say it will have "zero influence". The Dublin side of things I don't see as being a factor, Dublin not beating Mayo in the championship since 1985 is hardly comparable to Mayo's long wait for Sam.
I know the Mayo people on here are sick and tired of this kind of talk but I would have doubts still about the mental toughness of this team. They had Dublin well beaten last year and stopped playing and were lucky to win. I know some Mayo posters here say there were injuries taking their toll there but the fact was that Mayo lost the head in the closing stages of that game. They then made a very poor start to the Final and never really looked like they were going to turn it around, even when they got closer to Donegal later in the game.
Hasn't been an issue this year until the semi when Tyrone started well and Mayo promptly lost the head, kicking possession away, making poor decisions and missing easy frees. It wasn't just a case of Mayo being outplayed for a spell - they were very obviously having a wobble there on probably the first occasion this summer that any real questions were asked of them. Now you can argue that they dug their way back from that to win well, but the fact was that Tyrone had them on the ropes but didn't have the firepower to really pull away (losing key men down the spine of the team didn't help either). Dublin have significantly better forwards than Tyrone and should they get Mayo into that kind of position they will put up a much better score than the 0-7 Tyrone managed in that first half. Any Mayo wobble will be properly punished.
As such I reckon there are still major questions to be answered by this Mayo team when they are put under pressure - questions they can only answer really by winning the AI. Have my doubts, but I wish them all the best.
Bit of a selective memory?
No mention of the man who scored two hatricks in one and a half games *que cliche line ''sure that was only against London and a hungover Donegal" *
You continue to ignore the fact that our two tails men up front are both injured and off form. If your going to mention the Tyrone ones its only fair you mention Mayos ones also.
In addition you fail to mention that we have a better defense than Dublin, so much so that even some 'experts' say we have the best half back line in the country.
We have come back in many games under James Horan after being four points down at half time. This mentality label on Mayo teams is really beginning to bore now.
Don t shoot the messenger Sam. It s a fine judgement call as far as I m concerned.
This is the best Mayo team/management that I ve witnessed. No harm being aware of an achilles heel or others pointng it out. Waste of time trying to spin out of it. There are no excuses any more.
Moysider, I agree 100% with you on this. I remember JOC saying after the 2006 final that Kerrys one year famine made them hungrier than Mayos fifty year wait. It was a slur on Mayo and he was wrong. I think that a one year famine is a small enough cross to carry into a final but our history weighed heavy on our shoulders that day and plenty others. Hopefully Jame Horan will have the team fully focused on the now and not the weight of history that could be overwhelming if it's let.
I've always maintained that mayo would have to be patently a better team and might have to fall over the line to win our first title after all these losses. Once the dam is broken, the floodgates could open.
In a close game, against a team that are equally fit, I have my doubts about Mayos ability to convert enough chances to push on and win it in the last 10 minutes
They needed their corner back and wing backs to keep them in touch with Tyrone in the first half when Tyrone were able to play at a high-intensity.
How many Mayo forwards would get on the Dublin team?
Maybe two, max.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 18, 2013, 10:55:48 AM
In a close game, against a team that are equally fit, I have my doubts about Mayos ability to convert enough chances to push on and win it in the last 10 minutes
They needed their corner back and wing backs to keep them in touch with Tyrone in the first half when Tyrone were able to play at a high-intensity.
How many Mayo forwards would get on the Dublin team?
Maybe two, max.
How many of the Dublin backs would get into the Mayo team? 1, 2 max?
The harping on about Mayo forwards is becoming an obsession for some, look at the spread of scorers that Mayo have had throughout the championship, unreal. Like medusa coming up the field at you.
I would say that both the Dublin wing backs could make the Mayo team, and Ross O'Carroll, though he's not having a great year....If Cian O'Sullivan is playing at 6, that I'd say 4.
I do think that the Mayo wing backs are class too, both sides probably feel they have the best set
Quote from: Jinxy on September 18, 2013, 10:55:48 AM
In a close game, against a team that are equally fit, I have my doubts about Mayos ability to convert enough chances to push on and win it in the last 10 minutes
They needed their corner back and wing backs to keep them in touch with Tyrone in the first half when Tyrone were able to play at a high-intensity.
How many Mayo forwards would get on the Dublin team?
Maybe two, max.
Hmmm. I d would like to have Flynn and Brogan of the Dublin forwards.
A composite Dublin-Mayo team:
Cluxton
Cuniffe
O'Carroll
Higgins
McCarthy
O'Sullivan
McCaffrey
McAuley
A. O'Shea
Flynn
Dillon
Connolly
Mannion
O'Connor
Brogan
10 Dublin
5 Mayo
Ur some craic Sydney, we've the best half back line in the country and we cant get anyone onto ur team?
Caff is all star full back last year and probably this year and cant make it either?
Quote from: Sidney on September 18, 2013, 12:36:06 PM
A composite Dublin-Mayo team:
Cluxton
Cuniffe
O'Carroll
Higgins
McCarthy
O'Sullivan
McCaffrey
McAuley
A. O'Shea
Flynn
Dillon
Connolly
Mannion
O'Connor
Brogan
10 Dublin
5 Mayo
4 Dublin backs. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I wouldnt have any doubts over Mayo in the last 10 minutes, we're as fit as Dublin and remember it wont all be heading forward for these Dubs, they'll be turning tail to chase after our players
Anyway, I think it'll all be a big anti-climax on Sunday, a bit like the end of the Tyrone match, we'll have it won from well out and just dancing around the ring for the last 15.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 18, 2013, 12:39:19 PM
Ur some craic Sydney, we've the best half back line in the country and we cant get anyone onto ur team?
Caff is all star full back last year and probably this year and cant make it either?
Cafferkey better than O'Carroll ;D
I know you will always get rumours re player injuries before a big match, but just saw this on breakingnews.ie....
http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/other/dubs-play-down-talk-of-cluxton-injury-607314.html
Surely a big problem if there's any truth in it???
Quote from: Sidney on September 18, 2013, 12:43:23 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 18, 2013, 12:39:19 PM
Ur some craic Sydney, we've the best half back line in the country and we cant get anyone onto ur team?
Caff is all star full back last year and probably this year and cant make it either?
Cafferkey better than O'Carroll ;D
Rory O'Carroll has been poor this year. The very first game in the Leinster Championship, Dennis Glennon gave him the run around. Hasn't been much better since.
I'd have Cafferkey ahead of O'Carroll.
Kevin Reilly is better than both mind.
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 18, 2013, 12:48:35 PM
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Rory O'Carroll has been poor this year. The very first game in the Leinster Championship, Dennis Glennon gave him the run around. Hasn't been much better since.
Glennon got two points in a game which wasn't much more than a training session for Dublin.
In which games exactly has he been poor?
Quote from: Sidney on September 18, 2013, 12:43:23 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 18, 2013, 12:39:19 PM
Ur some craic Sydney, we've the best half back line in the country and we cant get anyone onto ur team?
Caff is all star full back last year and probably this year and cant make it either?
Cafferkey better than O'Carroll ;D
And why not?
The Mayo defence have had only one goal scored against them in their championship games to date while Dublin leaked three in the first 20 minutes against Kerry.
Which full back is on top of his game?
But Lar, this Mayo team hasn't been tested yet.....
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 18, 2013, 01:10:56 PM
But Lar, this Mayo team hasn't been tested yet.....
The supreme quality of the forward lines the Mayo defence have faced in this year's championship should more than prepare them for Dublin. :)
Where Mayo CB offered any tickets or Hill 16?
4 or 5K I think.
Quote from: Zulu on September 18, 2013, 01:26:39 PM
4 or 5K I think.
Good few swapped but majority will go to underage and panel members of clubs in Mayo
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 18, 2013, 01:10:56 PM
But Lar, this Mayo team hasn't been tested yet.....
True, Donegal and Tyrone were spent forces while Cork and Kerry were performing at the peak of their powers... ??? :P
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Quote from: rodney trotter on September 18, 2013, 12:48:35 PM
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Rory O'Carroll has been poor this year. The very first game in the Leinster Championship, Dennis Glennon gave him the run around. Hasn't been much better since.
Glennon got two points in a game which wasn't much more than a training session for Dublin.
In which games exactly has he been poor?
He was roasted against us.
In fairness O'Carroll is not having a great year, but Cafferky was roasted against SO'N for the first half of Mayo Tyrone
Quote from: liihb on September 18, 2013, 01:55:23 PM
In fairness O'Carroll is not having a great year, but Cafferky was roasted against SO'N for the first half of Mayo Tyrone
Cafferkey wasn't marking SON he was marking McAliskey.
Quote from: muppet on September 18, 2013, 02:18:13 PM
Quote from: liihb on September 18, 2013, 01:55:23 PM
In fairness O'Carroll is not having a great year, but Cafferky was roasted against SO'N for the first half of Mayo Tyrone
Cafferkey wasn't marking SON he was marking McAliskey.
SON moved out to the 40' before throw in.
Quote from: muppet on September 18, 2013, 02:18:13 PM
Quote from: liihb on September 18, 2013, 01:55:23 PM
In fairness O'Carroll is not having a great year, but Cafferky was roasted against SO'N for the first half of Mayo Tyrone
Cafferkey wasn't marking SON he was marking McAliskey.
Even worse, he got roasted by a player he wasnt marking on a spent force of a team
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 18, 2013, 02:22:10 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 18, 2013, 02:18:13 PM
Quote from: liihb on September 18, 2013, 01:55:23 PM
In fairness O'Carroll is not having a great year, but Cafferky was roasted against SO'N for the first half of Mayo Tyrone
Cafferkey wasn't marking SON he was marking McAliskey.
Even worse, he got roasted by a player he wasnt marking on a spent force of a team
...while not being tested.
Any word on the health of our camp?
Did they come back from the magical mystery tour?
Quote from: muppet on September 18, 2013, 02:23:42 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 18, 2013, 02:22:10 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 18, 2013, 02:18:13 PM
Quote from: liihb on September 18, 2013, 01:55:23 PM
In fairness O'Carroll is not having a great year, but Cafferky was roasted against SO'N for the first half of Mayo Tyrone
Cafferkey wasn't marking SON he was marking McAliskey.
Even worse, he got roasted by a player he wasnt marking on a spent force of a team
...while not being tested.
Sure how could he ever be tested, theres no marquee forwards in mayo for him to mark
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 18, 2013, 02:49:50 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 18, 2013, 02:23:42 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 18, 2013, 02:22:10 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 18, 2013, 02:18:13 PM
Quote from: liihb on September 18, 2013, 01:55:23 PM
In fairness O'Carroll is not having a great year, but Cafferky was roasted against SO'N for the first half of Mayo Tyrone
Cafferkey wasn't marking SON he was marking McAliskey.
Even worse, he got roasted by a player he wasnt marking on a spent force of a team
...while not being tested.
Sure how could he ever be tested, theres no marquee forwards in mayo for him to mark
Mark E. Ronaldson?
Mayo v Donegal
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Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 03, 2013, 11:48:11 PM
No time for posting this week but simply we will win this pulling up and the semi too. 7+ tomorrow.
I hate to agree with you.
But his won't be like London.
Mayo by a long way, ad then great difficulty controlling the hype.
Mayo v Tyrone prediction
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GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone vs Mayo AISF Semi-Final - August 25th
« on: August 25, 2013, 01:12:45 AM »
I know Stephenite is waiting on my big game prediction and has locked in a Qantas booking for the weekend after the one Tony Fearon would book.
Mayo will struggle to get out of the Tyrone blocks for a long time tomorrow. Most of the first half will be played outside the Tyrone 45m line. I think Hennelly will play a part here if he starts hitting long range frees.
In the 2nd half I feel if we click then start to open out a lead, then Tyrone will have to come out to play. After that it will be game on and if Tyrone get the important scores they could win. But that would be desperation stuff, and if all that happens we could really kick on as we have been doing.
I am predicting a 6-8 point win for a Mayo team pulling away after a very difficult first 25 -35 minutes.
Somewhere between now and Sunday I need to have a feed of pints and then make my prediction.
Quote from: muppet on September 18, 2013, 03:20:40 PM
Mayo v Donegal
Quote from: muppet on August 04, 2013, 02:05:32 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 03, 2013, 11:48:11 PM
No time for posting this week but simply we will win this pulling up and the semi too. 7+ tomorrow.
I hate to agree with you.
But his won't be like London.
Mayo by a long way, ad then great difficulty controlling the hype.
Mayo v Tyrone prediction
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GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone vs Mayo AISF Semi-Final - August 25th
« on: August 25, 2013, 01:12:45 AM »
I know Stephenite is waiting on my big game prediction and has locked in a Qantas booking for the weekend after the one Tony Fearon would book.
Mayo will struggle to get out of the Tyrone blocks for a long time tomorrow. Most of the first half will be played outside the Tyrone 45m line. I think Hennelly will play a part here if he starts hitting long range frees.
In the 2nd half I feel if we click then start to open out a lead, then Tyrone will have to come out to play. After that it will be game on and if Tyrone get the important scores they could win. But that would be desperation stuff, and if all that happens we could really kick on as we have been doing.
I am predicting a 6-8 point win for a Mayo team pulling away after a very difficult first 25 -35 minutes.
Somewhere between now and Sunday I need to have a feed of pints and then make my prediction.
I'm holding my Paddy Power bet till then. 8)
Best wishes to our neighbours on sunday. I for one will be rooting for ye......
Quote from: muppet on September 18, 2013, 03:20:40 PM
Mayo v Donegal
Quote from: muppet on August 04, 2013, 02:05:32 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 03, 2013, 11:48:11 PM
No time for posting this week but simply we will win this pulling up and the semi too. 7+ tomorrow.
I hate to agree with you.
But his won't be like London.
Mayo by a long way, ad then great difficulty controlling the hype.
Mayo v Tyrone prediction
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GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone vs Mayo AISF Semi-Final - August 25th
« on: August 25, 2013, 01:12:45 AM »
I know Stephenite is waiting on my big game prediction and has locked in a Qantas booking for the weekend after the one Tony Fearon would book.
Mayo will struggle to get out of the Tyrone blocks for a long time tomorrow. Most of the first half will be played outside the Tyrone 45m line. I think Hennelly will play a part here if he starts hitting long range frees.
In the 2nd half I feel if we click then start to open out a lead, then Tyrone will have to come out to play. After that it will be game on and if Tyrone get the important scores they could win. But that would be desperation stuff, and if all that happens we could really kick on as we have been doing.
I am predicting a 6-8 point win for a Mayo team pulling away after a very difficult first 25 -35 minutes.
Somewhere between now and Sunday I need to have a feed of pints and then make my prediction.
Tonight's the night muppet , chamipnship league AC Milan v Celtic a perfect excuse to head to the pub ;)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 18, 2013, 01:10:56 PM
But Lar, this Mayo team hasn't been tested yet.....
Arra, g'wan outa that and don't be encouraging that Sidney fella. He'd give a cabbage head a migraine as it is without your help.
So both of ye think Mayo hasn't been tested yet, do ye? Hah?
I'd say the rest of civilisation as we know it would regard the Tyrone match as a test of Mayo's character and self-belief. They managed to pull off a ten point turnaround into the bargain.
Now Dublin met Tyrone in the league final and only won by a single point. And don't bother telling me that the league doesn't count either. 'Twas no secret that Tyrone were using that game to fine tune their preparations for their opening championship match against Donegal. They took it seriously alright and so did the Dubs.
To get out of Leinster, Dublin beat Westmeath, Kildare and Meath along the way. None of them could be called serious contenders for anything with only Kildare playing in the first division of the league.
In fact, the lowest placed league team, Meath, put the frighteners on the Dubs before running out of gas in the closing stages.
Kildare were feck all use either; Tyrone accounted for them handy enough and we all know what happened to Tyrone, don't we?
The Dubs played Cork in the quarters and if you were to go by all the blather spouted about that game, they got a right good test from the langers. At that stage, some of Dublin's fair weather supporters were talking in terms of winning the fecking premiership as well as the Triple Crown, never mind being a sure cert for the AI.
Let the hype build up, Farr; don't go into meltdown just yet.
After all, Cork barely scraped by Galway and you know what happened to the heron chokers when we met them.
For the last few weeks I've been getting an earful of hype about the Dublin v Kerry match and sure enough it was a damn fine game but Kerry knocked in three goals in the first 20 minutes and the Dubs only pulled clear in the last five minutes or so. Mayo won't have any thirty somethings to slow them down when the craic starts on Sunday.
Rory O'Carroll better than Cafferky? Alan Freeman will knock all thoughts of football right outa his head.
Some Antrim lad on ebay was selling a ticket with the auction ending two days after the game with expected delivery a week late.
Seems to be gone now :D
At siege with all this Mayo shite, every second picture is a Mayo flag up a mountain or with military types or stuck in a pie. To make matters worse Chris O'Dowd, Roscommon's second citizen after Ming, broke his leg while on the tatter in Dublin.
Fooking hell.
mayo hammer teams and they havent been tested but let tyrone get within 6 points and its a wobble. Ireland and the GAA seriously need some intellegent reportage quick
im so sick of the bullshit bring on sunday
Greetings, its been a while.
Started a ticket swapping thread if anyone is interested:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=23760.0
Another favourite is "we don't know how Mayo will react in the final 10 mins if close".
Personally, I think they'll have a big homosexual romp.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 18, 2013, 04:30:32 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 18, 2013, 01:10:56 PM
But Lar, this Mayo team hasn't been tested yet.....
Arra, g'wan outa that and don't be encouraging that Sidney fella. He'd give a cabbage head a migraine as it is without your help.
So both of ye think Mayo hasn't been tested yet, do ye? Hah?
I'd say the rest of civilisation as we know it would regard the Tyrone match as a test of Mayo's character and self-belief. They managed to pull off a ten point turnaround into the bargain.
Now Dublin met Tyrone in the league final and only won by a single point. And don't bother telling me that the league doesn't count either. 'Twas no secret that Tyrone were using that game to fine tune their preparations for their opening championship match against Donegal. They took it seriously alright and so did the Dubs.
To get out of Leinster, Dublin beat Westmeath, Kildare and Meath along the way. None of them could be called serious contenders for anything with only Kildare playing in the first division of the league.
In fact, the lowest placed league team, Meath, put the frighteners on the Dubs before running out of gas in the closing stages.
Kildare were feck all use either; Tyrone accounted for them handy enough and we all know what happened to Tyrone, don't we?
The Dubs played Cork in the quarters and if you were to go by all the blather spouted about that game, they got a right good test from the langers. At that stage, some of Dublin's fair weather supporters were talking in terms of winning the fecking premiership as well as the Triple Crown, never mind being a sure cert for the AI.
Let the hype build up, Farr; don't go into meltdown just yet.
After all, Cork barely scraped by Galway and you know what happened to the heron chokers when we met them.
For the last few weeks I've been getting an earful of hype about the Dublin v Kerry match and sure enough it was a damn fine game but Kerry knocked in three goals in the first 20 minutes and the Dubs only pulled clear in the last five minutes or so. Mayo won't have any thirty somethings to slow them down when the craic starts on Sunday.
Rory O'Carroll better than Cafferky? Alan Freeman will knock all thoughts of football right outa his head.
Well if the league counts as much as you claim ye are in real trouble. We beat ye handy in this years semi final!
I genuinely feel that the Mayo full back line is as suspect as Dublin's Brogan has always done well on Caffrerkey and has given him at least one roasting. Cunniffe and Barrett have done well this year but through no fault of their own have not really had to play on the back foot at all except for 20mins against Tyrone and then they looked a little ropey.
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on September 18, 2013, 04:55:53 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 18, 2013, 04:30:32 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 18, 2013, 01:10:56 PM
But Lar, this Mayo team hasn't been tested yet.....
Arra, g'wan outa that and don't be encouraging that Sidney fella. He'd give a cabbage head a migraine as it is without your help.
So both of ye think Mayo hasn't been tested yet, do ye? Hah?
I'd say the rest of civilisation as we know it would regard the Tyrone match as a test of Mayo's character and self-belief. They managed to pull off a ten point turnaround into the bargain.
Now Dublin met Tyrone in the league final and only won by a single point. And don't bother telling me that the league doesn't count either. 'Twas no secret that Tyrone were using that game to fine tune their preparations for their opening championship match against Donegal. They took it seriously alright and so did the Dubs.
To get out of Leinster, Dublin beat Westmeath, Kildare and Meath along the way. None of them could be called serious contenders for anything with only Kildare playing in the first division of the league.
In fact, the lowest placed league team, Meath, put the frighteners on the Dubs before running out of gas in the closing stages.
Kildare were feck all use either; Tyrone accounted for them handy enough and we all know what happened to Tyrone, don't we?
The Dubs played Cork in the quarters and if you were to go by all the blather spouted about that game, they got a right good test from the langers. At that stage, some of Dublin's fair weather supporters were talking in terms of winning the fecking premiership as well as the Triple Crown, never mind being a sure cert for the AI.
Let the hype build up, Farr; don't go into meltdown just yet.
After all, Cork barely scraped by Galway and you know what happened to the heron chokers when we met them.
For the last few weeks I've been getting an earful of hype about the Dublin v Kerry match and sure enough it was a damn fine game but Kerry knocked in three goals in the first 20 minutes and the Dubs only pulled clear in the last five minutes or so. Mayo won't have any thirty somethings to slow them down when the craic starts on Sunday.
Rory O'Carroll better than Cafferky? Alan Freeman will knock all thoughts of football right outa his head.
Well if the league counts as much as you claim ye are in real trouble. We beat ye handy in this years semi final!
I genuinely feel that the Mayo full back line is as suspect as Dublin's Brogan has always done well on Caffrerkey and has given him at least one roasting. Cunniffe and Barrett have done well this year but through no fault of their own have not really had to play on the back foot at all except for 20mins against Tyrone and then they looked a little ropey.
You seem to be forgetting the little matter of the All Ireland semi final last year, it was the Wednesday before Brogan got out of his pocket
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But Lar, this Mayo team hasn't been tested yet.....
Arra, g'wan outa that and don't be encouraging that Sidney fella. He'd give a cabbage head a migraine as it is without your help.
So both of ye think Mayo hasn't been tested yet, do ye? Hah?
I'd say the rest of civilisation as we know it would regard the Tyrone match as a test of Mayo's character and self-belief. They managed to pull off a ten point turnaround into the bargain.
Now Dublin met Tyrone in the league final and only won by a single point. And don't bother telling me that the league doesn't count either. 'Twas no secret that Tyrone were using that game to fine tune their preparations for their opening championship match against Donegal. They took it seriously alright and so did the Dubs.
To get out of Leinster, Dublin beat Westmeath, Kildare and Meath along the way. None of them could be called serious contenders for anything with only Kildare playing in the first division of the league.
In fact, the lowest placed league team, Meath, put the frighteners on the Dubs before running out of gas in the closing stages.
Kildare were feck all use either; Tyrone accounted for them handy enough and we all know what happened to Tyrone, don't we?
The Dubs played Cork in the quarters and if you were to go by all the blather spouted about that game, they got a right good test from the langers. At that stage, some of Dublin's fair weather supporters were talking in terms of winning the fecking premiership as well as the Triple Crown, never mind being a sure cert for the AI.
Let the hype build up, Farr; don't go into meltdown just yet.
After all, Cork barely scraped by Galway and you know what happened to the heron chokers when we met them.
For the last few weeks I've been getting an earful of hype about the Dublin v Kerry match and sure enough it was a damn fine game but Kerry knocked in three goals in the first 20 minutes and the Dubs only pulled clear in the last five minutes or so. Mayo won't have any thirty somethings to slow them down when the craic starts on Sunday.
Rory O'Carroll better than Cafferky? Alan Freeman will knock all thoughts of football right outa his head.
Well if the league counts as much as you claim ye are in real trouble. We beat ye handy in this years semi final!
I genuinely feel that the Mayo full back line is as suspect as Dublin's Brogan has always done well on Caffrerkey and has given him at least one roasting. Cunniffe and Barrett have done well this year but through no fault of their own have not really had to play on the back foot at all except for 20mins against Tyrone and then they looked a little ropey.
You seem to be forgetting the little matter of the All Ireland semi final last year, it was the Wednesday before Brogan got out of his pocket
I thought Brogan got a couple of points. Cafferkey also badly misjudged a line ball from Kilkenny which let Bernard through on goal with a couple of mins to go. Granted Bernard made a b***ix of it. Anyway I'm not denying Cafferkey is a good player and an all star I just feel Mayo are a little suspect in the full back line. As an outsuder looking in I would of thought that Keith Higgins would be the best Corner Back in Mayo and he is playing Centre Forward. He does a decent job there but would Richie Feeney not be just as effective?
Probably would Michael, but whatever reason, Horan rathers him from the bench.
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2013, 04:36:59 PM
At siege with all this Mayo shite, every second picture is a Mayo flag up a mountain or with military types or stuck in a pie. To make matters worse Chris O'Dowd, Roscommon's second citizen after Ming, broke his leg while on the tatter in Dublin.
Fooking hell.
Oh dear. Even the non-Mayo Mayo supporters appear to be bottling it already.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 18, 2013, 04:59:57 PM
You seem to be forgetting the little matter of the All Ireland semi final last year, it was the Wednesday before Brogan got out of his pocket
Hopefully for Cafferkey's sake it'll be a cloudy day, lest he be blinded by the sun again.
Quote from: Sidney on September 18, 2013, 12:36:06 PM
A composite Dublin-Mayo team:
Cluxton
Cuniffe
O'Carroll
Higgins
McCarthy
O'Sullivan
McCaffrey
McAuley
A. O'Shea
Flynn
Dillon
Connolly
Mannion
O'Connor
Brogan
10 Dublin
5 Mayo
If Higgins is moved back into defence Tom Cunniffe isn't certain to start this final. O'Sullivan will likely play in midfield and i think Cafferkey,Boyle two key players for Mayo should be on that team above . Having better individuals is all well and good however you can still get beaten if the opposition system,workrate,fitness and tactics is better.
Sidney, what about Boyle and Keegan in that halfback line of yours?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 18, 2013, 06:05:46 PM
Sidney, what about Boyle and Keegan in that halfback line of yours?
They aren't in it.
Who in the name of sweet baby Jesus would drop Caffreky for O'Carroll and Keegan and Boyle for O'Sullivian and McCarthy? I don't think many even believe those would even be positions of contention on a combined team.
when will Mayo team be announced
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when will Mayo team be announced
Early tomorrow evening according to @Mayogaa
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Quote from: joemamas on September 18, 2013, 07:06:17 PM
when will Mayo team be announced
Early tomorrow evening according to @Mayogaa
Program team, won't know the teams for sure until close to throw in time.
Moran will lead the team around in the parade but wont start
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Quote from: joemamas on September 18, 2013, 07:06:17 PM
when will Mayo team be announced
Early tomorrow evening according to @Mayogaa
Thanks will be getting on a plane at JFK at that time.
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Moran will lead the team around in the parade but wont start
Have to say would be surprised, but not shocked if that happens.
I will not second guess this management.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 18, 2013, 08:05:35 PM
Moran will lead the team around in the parade but wont start
This is not Horan's style! If Moran is dropped, Higgins will lead Mayo in the parade.
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when will Mayo team be announced
Early tomorrow evening according to @Mayogaa
Thanks will be getting on a plane at JFK at that time.
Safe Journey. You heading to Mayo first to get some atmosphere?
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when will Mayo team be announced
Early tomorrow evening according to @Mayogaa
Thanks will be getting on a plane at JFK at that time.
Safe journey. I'd say it'll be nuts if they win it.
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when will Mayo team be announced
Early tomorrow evening according to @Mayogaa
Thanks will be getting on a plane at JFK at that time.
Safe home...I know a group of 6 lads and lassies on their way home from New Zealand as we speak. Love of you're county is a glorious thing.
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Moran will lead the team around in the parade but wont start
This is not Horan's style! If Moran is dropped, Higgins will lead Mayo in the parade.
I guess you're right but I can't see Moran being dropped.
I couldnt split Cafferky and O'Carroll, think they're both very good.
Very hard to split the wing backs too. Before the semi-finals I might have given the Dublin pair the edge, but afterwards I wouldnt.
I believe Cian O'Sullivan and Kevin Nolan are the best half backs in Dublin, but I agree with moving Cian to midfield and Kev has been very unfortunate with illness/injury this year.
I'm expecting Conroy to start. Pace caused Dublin problems in the semi and he seems to be the fastest good forward Mayo have (though that's from not seeing a whole heap of him, so not 100% sure on that)
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when will Mayo team be announced
Early tomorrow evening according to @Mayogaa
Thanks will be getting on a plane at JFK at that time.
Safe home...I know a group of 6 lads and lassies on their way home from New Zealand as we speak. Love of you're county is a glorious thing.
Thanks all, four of us heading home on same flight, straight to Dublin. Eight time back to see Mayo in All-ireland final from NY. Will be very happy to change date of return ticket if we win.
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Moran will lead the team around in the parade but wont start
This is not Horan's style! If Moran is dropped, Higgins will lead Mayo in the parade.
I guess you're right but I can't see Moran being dropped.
Cant see him been dropped either, Mayo's mission for the first 20 minutes will be to still be in the game, then try and impose their game on the Dubs.........Moran and Dillon's experience will be critical here........i expect Moran to be a different man on Sunday.....
Slightly off topic, but the week before an All-Ireland is something special,
Driving along in the car and out of nowhere i shout out "C'mon Mayo", the green and red of mayo constantly been hummed...
The promise of a million tickets last Monday, today i am down to mmm, ahh, he's let me down, any tickets to swap have only fuckin' Davin stand.......
Driving around our capital, meet another mayo car flagged up, the look at each other, the nod.......
The lad in the black 09 Audi that i meet every morning in Fairview, who started out last week, giving me a flash of the lights, we are now up to a flash of the lights, and fists out the window..........if we win i expect, us to stop in the middle of Fairview, put the hazards on and discuss the match....we might even make AA roadwatch......
Meeting GAA heads through work............"we are all rooting for ye", their eyes are saying, Poor Mayo b**tard, most likely end up getting beat again..............
Today is only Wednesday............By Saturday evening i will present my self to St. Mary's in Castlebar, having ate my tickets and several flags.....
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2013, 06:43:18 PM
Who in the name of sweet baby Jesus would drop Caffreky for O'Carroll and Keegan and Boyle for O'Sullivian and McCarthy? I don't think many even believe those would even be positions of contention on a combined team.
Crazy stuff alright. Cafferkey, Boyle and Keegan are proven All-Ireland-winning players while O'Carroll, O'Sullivan and McCarthy are...oh wait, I may have got that the wrong way around.
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Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2013, 06:43:18 PM
Who in the name of sweet baby Jesus would drop Caffreky for O'Carroll and Keegan and Boyle for O'Sullivian and McCarthy? I don't think many even believe those would even be positions of contention on a combined team.
Crazy stuff alright. Cafferkey, Boyle and Keegan are proven All-Ireland-winning players while O'Carroll, O'Sullivan and McCarthy are...oh wait, I may have got that the wrong way around.
Ger Brennan is a 'proven All-Ireland-winning' player but you don't seem to give him the benefit of that argument.
Also, Boyle has an All-Ireland.
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Sidney, what about Boyle and Keegan in that halfback line of yours?
They aren't in it.
Really? Why?
Because McCarthy and McCaffrey are better players?
gotta get out more,sid aul sthock
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Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2013, 06:43:18 PM
Who in the name of sweet baby Jesus would drop Caffreky for O'Carroll and Keegan and Boyle for O'Sullivian and McCarthy? I don't think many even believe those would even be positions of contention on a combined team.
Crazy stuff alright. Cafferkey, Boyle and Keegan are proven All-Ireland-winning players while O'Carroll, O'Sullivan and McCarthy are...oh wait, I may have got that the wrong way around.
Ah yes the only thing that counts.
Means that likes of Eoghan O Gara is a better footballer than say likes of Kieran McDonald or Michael Meehan because he s an AI winner ::)
You re either deliberately being a p***k or you haven t got a clue.
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Quote from: Sidney on September 18, 2013, 10:27:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2013, 06:43:18 PM
Who in the name of sweet baby Jesus would drop Caffreky for O'Carroll and Keegan and Boyle for O'Sullivian and McCarthy? I don't think many even believe those would even be positions of contention on a combined team.
Crazy stuff alright. Cafferkey, Boyle and Keegan are proven All-Ireland-winning players while O'Carroll, O'Sullivan and McCarthy are...oh wait, I may have got that the wrong way around.
Ah yes the only thing that counts.
Means that likes of Eoghan O Gara is a better footballer than say likes of Kieran McDonald or Michael Meehan because he s an AI winner ::)
You re either deliberately being a p***k or you haven t got a clue.
But I'm not comparing Eoghan O'Gara to Ciaran McDonald.
Peter Canavan was crap until 2003.
Quote from: muppet on September 18, 2013, 10:42:13 PM
Peter Canavan was crap until 2003.
Disappointing to see that old anti-Northern bias coming out again.
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Peter Canavan was crap until 2003.
Disappointing to see that old anti-Northern bias coming out again.
Maurice Fitz was useless until 1997.
Anyways, sure Dublin have the better forwards.......despite needing to make numerous substitutions to get the forward line right.
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Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2013, 06:43:18 PM
Who in the name of sweet baby Jesus would drop Caffreky for O'Carroll and Keegan and Boyle for O'Sullivian and McCarthy? I don't think many even believe those would even be positions of contention on a combined team.
Crazy stuff alright. Cafferkey, Boyle and Keegan are proven All-Ireland-winning players while O'Carroll, O'Sullivan and McCarthy are...oh wait, I may have got that the wrong way around.
Ah yes the only thing that counts.
Means that likes of Eoghan O Gara is a better footballer than say likes of Kieran McDonald or Michael Meehan because he s an AI winner ::)
You re either deliberately being a p***k or you haven t got a clue.
But I'm not comparing Eoghan O'Gara to Ciaran McDonald.
No, but you re using the laziest arguement in gaelic football to back up your selection. 'They have the medal so they must be better'. Yawn.
Anyway here is a better composite team than Silly Sids.
Cluxton - Clarkie is injured after all ;)
Cunniffe
Caff.
Higgins
Boyle
Keegan
McCaffrey
McAuley
Seamie O Se
Paul Flynn
Aidie O Se
Kevin McLoughlin
Dillon
Bernard Brogan
Cillian O Connor
Mayo 10 Dublin 5
Similar if inverse breakdown in stats. Difference is my team is much better ;)
I should be charging you for a free tutorial like that Sid.
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Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2013, 06:43:18 PM
Who in the name of sweet baby Jesus would drop Caffreky for O'Carroll and Keegan and Boyle for O'Sullivian and McCarthy? I don't think many even believe those would even be positions of contention on a combined team.
Crazy stuff alright. Cafferkey, Boyle and Keegan are proven All-Ireland-winning players while O'Carroll, O'Sullivan and McCarthy are...oh wait, I may have got that the wrong way around.
Means that likes of Eoghan O Gara is a better footballer than say likes of Kieran McDonald or Michael Meehan because he s an AI winner ::)
You re either deliberately being a p***k or you haven t got a clue.
But I'm not comparing Eoghan O'Gara to Ciaran McDonald.
No, but you re using the laziest arguement in gaelic football to back up your selection. 'They have the medal so they must be better'. Yawn.
But I don't merely have to use that argument, I could also argue that those players have proved themselves for the last four seasons at the highest level to be players of the highest quality. What argument would you use to say they aren't, and that their Mayo equivalents are better? Because anything they've done up to now hasn't surpassed where the three Dublin players I mentioned are now at.
One Mayo poster here is now comparing Cafferkey, Boyle and Keegan to Peter Canavan and Maurice Fitzgerald. That's a rather odd comparison, I have to say.
Quote from: Sidney on September 18, 2013, 10:41:58 PM
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Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2013, 06:43:18 PM
Who in the name of sweet baby Jesus would drop Caffreky for O'Carroll and Keegan and Boyle for O'Sullivian and McCarthy? I don't think many even believe those would even be positions of contention on a combined team.
Crazy stuff alright. Cafferkey, Boyle and Keegan are proven All-Ireland-winning players while O'Carroll, O'Sullivan and McCarthy are...oh wait, I may have got that the wrong way around.
Ah yes the only thing that counts.
Means that likes of Eoghan O Gara is a better footballer than say likes of Kieran McDonald or Michael Meehan because he s an AI winner ::)
You re either deliberately being a p***k or you haven t got a clue.
But I'm not comparing Eoghan O'Gara to Ciaran McDonald.
Oh yes you are.
You're asserting that O'Carroll, O'Sullivan and McCarthy are better players than Cafferky, Boyle and Keegan simply because it can be proved that the Dublin trio are All-Ireland winning players.
If that's the only criterion you use to claim the Dub players mentioned are better than their Mayo counterparts, why shouldn't moysider ask you if you'd follow the same line of logic when comparing O'Gara to McDonald.
It's a case of what's sauce for the gander being sauce for the goose and all that stuff.
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Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2013, 06:43:18 PM
Who in the name of sweet baby Jesus would drop Caffreky for O'Carroll and Keegan and Boyle for O'Sullivian and McCarthy? I don't think many even believe those would even be positions of contention on a combined team.
Crazy stuff alright. Cafferkey, Boyle and Keegan are proven All-Ireland-winning players while O'Carroll, O'Sullivan and McCarthy are...oh wait, I may have got that the wrong way around.
Means that likes of Eoghan O Gara is a better footballer than say likes of Kieran McDonald or Michael Meehan because he s an AI winner ::)
You re either deliberately being a p***k or you haven t got a clue.
But I'm not comparing Eoghan O'Gara to Ciaran McDonald.
No, but you re using the laziest arguement in gaelic football to back up your selection. 'They have the medal so they must be better'. Yawn.
But I don't merely have to use that argument, I could also argue that those players have proved themselves for the last four seasons at the highest level to be players of the highest quality. What argument would you use to say they aren't, and that their Mayo equivalents are better? Because anything they've done up to now hasn't surpassed where the three Dublin players I mentioned are now at.
One Mayo poster here is now comparing Cafferkey, Boyle and Keegan to Peter Canavan and Maurice Fitzgerald. That's a rather odd comparison, I have to say.
No I am not. You are claiming that some players are better than others purely because they were proven All-Ireland winners.
I am making fun of this rather lame point.
Was Alan Brogan suddenly a better player because he had a Celtic Cross? Canavan? Maurice Fitz?
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Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2013, 06:43:18 PM
Who in the name of sweet baby Jesus would drop Caffreky for O'Carroll and Keegan and Boyle for O'Sullivian and McCarthy? I don't think many even believe those would even be positions of contention on a combined team.
Crazy stuff alright. Cafferkey, Boyle and Keegan are proven All-Ireland-winning players while O'Carroll, O'Sullivan and McCarthy are...oh wait, I may have got that the wrong way around.
Means that likes of Eoghan O Gara is a better footballer than say likes of Kieran McDonald or Michael Meehan because he s an AI winner ::)
You re either deliberately being a p***k or you haven t got a clue.
But I'm not comparing Eoghan O'Gara to Ciaran McDonald.
No, but you re using the laziest arguement in gaelic football to back up your selection. 'They have the medal so they must be better'. Yawn.
But I don't merely have to use that argument, I could also argue that those players have proved themselves for the last four seasons at the highest level to be players of the highest quality. What argument would you use to say they aren't, and that their Mayo equivalents are better? Because anything they've done up to now hasn't surpassed where the three Dublin players I mentioned are now at.
One Mayo poster here is now comparing Cafferkey, Boyle and Keegan to Peter Canavan and Maurice Fitzgerald. That's a rather odd comparison, I have to say.
Oh Christ!
Are you telling me you don't do irony - a bit of sarcasm maybe?
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Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2013, 06:43:18 PM
Who in the name of sweet baby Jesus would drop Caffreky for O'Carroll and Keegan and Boyle for O'Sullivian and McCarthy? I don't think many even believe those would even be positions of contention on a combined team.
Crazy stuff alright. Cafferkey, Boyle and Keegan are proven All-Ireland-winning players while O'Carroll, O'Sullivan and McCarthy are...oh wait, I may have got that the wrong way around.
Ger Brennan is a 'proven All-Ireland-winning' player but you don't seem to give him the benefit of that argument.
Also, Boyle has an All-Ireland.
There is a very interesting article in the Mayo News about Keegan, Boyle and Vaughan.
Keegan didn't make the panel at minor level.
Vaughan couldn't make the South Mayo panel at minor level (but did eventually manage it).
Boyle got taken off at half time in the U 21 All Ireland and was roasted in a championship game against Galway in 2008, which ultimately ended his inter county career until 2012.
If that does not illustrate serious mental strength and attitude, I don't know what does.
Often, studying peoples mental state tells you more than glamorous medals and awards.
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Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2013, 06:43:18 PM
Who in the name of sweet baby Jesus would drop Caffreky for O'Carroll and Keegan and Boyle for O'Sullivian and McCarthy? I don't think many even believe those would even be positions of contention on a combined team.
Crazy stuff alright. Cafferkey, Boyle and Keegan are proven All-Ireland-winning players while O'Carroll, O'Sullivan and McCarthy are...oh wait, I may have got that the wrong way around.
Means that likes of Eoghan O Gara is a better footballer than say likes of Kieran McDonald or Michael Meehan because he s an AI winner ::)
You re either deliberately being a p***k or you haven t got a clue.
But I'm not comparing Eoghan O'Gara to Ciaran McDonald.
No, but you re using the laziest arguement in gaelic football to back up your selection. 'They have the medal so they must be better'. Yawn.
But I don't merely have to use that argument, I could also argue that those players have proved themselves for the last four seasons at the highest level to be players of the highest quality. What argument would you use to say they aren't, and that their Mayo equivalents are better? Because anything they've done up to now hasn't surpassed where the three Dublin players I mentioned are now at.
One Mayo poster here is now comparing Cafferkey, Boyle and Keegan to Peter Canavan and Maurice Fitzgerald. That's a rather odd comparison, I have to say.
No I am not. You are claiming that some players are better than others purely because they were proven All-Ireland winners.
I am making fun of this rather lame point.
Was Alan Brogan suddenly a better player because he had a Celtic Cross? Canavan? Maurice Fitz?
Shite! This guy is just rippin the piss. f**k!
Quote from: muppet on September 18, 2013, 11:16:28 PM
No I am not. You are claiming that some players are better than others purely because they were proven All-Ireland winners.
I wasn't the person who brought Peter Canavan, Maurice Fitzgerald or Eoghan O'Gara into the argument.
Not only are the players I mentioned proven All-Ireland winners, they are proven, seasoned players at the highest level, and were integral to that All-Ireland victory, and if you want to count u-21, more than one All-Ireland in O'Carroll's case. The players I compared them to have yet to do anything to suggest they are superior players.
Good players yes, superior players, no. If they prove me wrong, fair play, but as yet they have not.
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One of the most memorable highlights of the Dubs win in 2011 was that the team could remain on the pitch for up to half an hour after the presentation savouring the win with the crowd. Anyone who was there will never forget it.
I was on the Hill. It sucked.
I was on the Hill. It was fantastic.
I was on my couch and had switch over as nothing memorable was happening.
I got out to the pub early as the celebrations were so boring, and what a great decision - Fernando Torres's miss in the Manchester United - Chelsea match will live with me forever.
Thought this a strange post at the time but now it s making sense. Apologies for wasting time with Sid folks. ;D
Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2013, 11:21:11 PM
Oh Christ!
Are you telling me you don't do irony - a bit of sarcasm maybe?
What's sauce for the goose, and all that...
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Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2013, 06:43:18 PM
Who in the name of sweet baby Jesus would drop Caffreky for O'Carroll and Keegan and Boyle for O'Sullivian and McCarthy? I don't think many even believe those would even be positions of contention on a combined team.
Crazy stuff alright. Cafferkey, Boyle and Keegan are proven All-Ireland-winning players while O'Carroll, O'Sullivan and McCarthy are...oh wait, I may have got that the wrong way around.
Ger Brennan is a 'proven All-Ireland-winning' player but you don't seem to give him the benefit of that argument.
Also, Boyle has an All-Ireland.
There is a very interesting article in the Mayo News about Keegan, Boyle and Vaughan.
Keegan didn't make the panel at minor level.Vaughan couldn't make the South Mayo panel at minor level (but did eventually manage it).
Boyle got taken off at half time in the U 21 All Ireland and was roasted in a championship game against Galway in 2008, which ultimately ended his inter county career until 2012.If that does not illustrate serious mental strength and attitude, I don't know what does.
Often, studying peoples mental state tells you more than glamorous medals and awards.
Keegan played a lot of rugby back then in fairness and the Boyle U21 substitution could have been a yellow card decision if I remember correctly. The 'roasting' was when management couldn t manage mice and Boyle got dragged in corner back :-[
In the past players like David Brady, Liam McHale, Patrick Harte and Ronan McGarrity didn t play minor either. A lot of kids in development squads will be gone by minor.
Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2013, 11:56:23 PM
Keegan played a lot of rugby back then in fairness and the Boyle U21 substitution could have been a yellow card decision if I remember correctly. The 'roasting' was when management couldn t manage mice and Boyle got dragged in corner back :-[
Was that management team not headed up by the great Mayo football messiah, John O'Mahony?
Quote from: Sidney on September 18, 2013, 11:50:05 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2013, 11:21:11 PM
Oh Christ!
Are you telling me you don't do irony - a bit of sarcasm maybe?
What's sauce for the goose, and all that...
Touché, but not me talking sauces and gooses.
Quote from: Sidney on September 19, 2013, 12:15:52 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2013, 11:56:23 PM
Keegan played a lot of rugby back then in fairness and the Boyle U21 substitution could have been a yellow card decision if I remember correctly. The 'roasting' was when management couldn t manage mice and Boyle got dragged in corner back :-[
Was that management team not headed up by the great Mayo football messiah, John O'Mahony?
Snap! Dublin should be grateful that they never had a messiah like that. The miracle of Mayo is that we ve managed to get back to a decent level so quickly after the disaster of the Johnno Restoration*.
Messiah was a label that 'journalists and foreigners' put on O Mahoney. Anybody in Mayo who were still copus mentus after the shafting of Mickey Moran in 06 knew that the reappointment of O Mahoney would set us back years. I said it at the time - my posts regarding that are still there to be read.
So anybody that still believes in Messiahs.... stick it up yer...... There s a football game to be played a Sunday. Everything else is shite.
* It s unbelievable that stuff happened so recently and how awful it was. Promised the best training systems, conditioning etc and as it turned out junior club teams were doing better. Pre- match warm-ups were an embarrassement to behold with the main man and his appointed side-kick observing and badgering any slip ups in the drills that players U14 can do.
Moy and Lar will ye stop replying to that eijit
On an unrelated note, anyone going to Off the Ball tonight in Vicar street?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 19, 2013, 10:18:00 AM
Moy and Lar will ye stop replying to that eijit
On an unrelated note, anyone going to Off the Ball tonight in Vicar street?
Don't worry: I already have. ;D
I put only one post up to see what reaction I'd get and that was enough for me. I've better things to be doing than wasting time trying to have a sensible chat with him.
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Dublin with video now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7654
Thanks,
Emmet
Richie Feeney is the bored man's Kevin McManamon
Classis line
Number of goals Mayo have scored against Dublin's "dodgy" full back line in their last four meetings: 0
Quote from: Sidney on September 19, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
Number of goals Mayo have scored against Dublin's "dodgy" full back line in their last four meetings: 0
Still scored enough points last August...
So Brennan is dropped for Bastick, and Cian O Sullivan is going centre back.
Also Philly McMahon starting at corner back. A lot of changes.
Sounds like the Dubs are putting their best foot forward but it smacks of fear a little bit too.
Sure they expect O Suillivan to take Dillon but that takes a lot of pace from the Dublin midfield. Brennan was always the link man out of defence, crucial for short kickouts and generally set up the play for Dublin. He is a loss despite what they say in the media this week.
Quote from: emmetryan on September 19, 2013, 10:48:13 AM
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Dublin with video now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7654
Thanks,
Emmet
Interesting reading Emmet but who you predict to win is clear from early on as you only really comment on how Mayo will have to deal with the Dublin threat. Mayo might have the ball the odd time too !
Quote from: TyrionLannister on September 19, 2013, 11:37:56 AM
So Brennan is dropped for Bastick, and Cian O Sullivan is going centre back.
Also Philly McMahon starting at corner back. A lot of changes.
Sounds like the Dubs are putting their best foot forward but it smacks of fear a little bit too.
Sure they expect O Suillivan to take Dillon but that takes a lot of pace from the Dublin midfield. Brennan was always the link man out of defence, crucial for short kickouts and generally set up the play for Dublin. He is a loss despite what they say in the media this week.
Is that official?? Seems like a lot of changes alright - the problem is that they could do with COS playing at both CHB and in MF. Would have preferred to see Brennan in there as I think he's a weak link.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 19, 2013, 12:22:43 PM
Quote from: TyrionLannister on September 19, 2013, 11:37:56 AM
So Brennan is dropped for Bastick, and Cian O Sullivan is going centre back.
Also Philly McMahon starting at corner back. A lot of changes.
Sounds like the Dubs are putting their best foot forward but it smacks of fear a little bit too.
Sure they expect O Suillivan to take Dillon but that takes a lot of pace from the Dublin midfield. Brennan was always the link man out of defence, crucial for short kickouts and generally set up the play for Dublin. He is a loss despite what they say in the media this week.
Is that official?? Seems like a lot of changes alright - the problem is that they could do with COS playing at both CHB and in MF. Would have preferred to see Brennan in there as I think he's a weak link.
Seems like Liam McHale agrees with you
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Quote from: TyrionLannister on September 19, 2013, 11:37:56 AM
So Brennan is dropped for Bastick, and Cian O Sullivan is going centre back.
Also Philly McMahon starting at corner back. A lot of changes.
Sounds like the Dubs are putting their best foot forward but it smacks of fear a little bit too.
Sure they expect O Suillivan to take Dillon but that takes a lot of pace from the Dublin midfield. Brennan was always the link man out of defence, crucial for short kickouts and generally set up the play for Dublin. He is a loss despite what they say in the media this week.
Where's this information coming from?
I would fully expect Brennan to start.
Quote from: emmetryan on September 19, 2013, 10:48:13 AM
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Dublin with video now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7654
Thanks,
Emmet
Good read as always and you more or less confirmed what has worried me coming into this match i.e. can we contain the Dubs scoring power? As you highlighted it's our subs in the backs which will have to do some heavy lifting in order to quell the likes of Rock etc... and limiting the volume of chances for the Dubs is probably where we win the game (God it's good to read a review with out the term marquee forward). On the flip side I think the Dubs defence will probably give up/ or Mayo's attack will create about 14 to 16 scores which against anyone else would win Mayo an All Ireland but I think even with our defence holding their own the impact of the Dublin bench will have us struggle to keep their scores under 18.
So I am going to call it the Dubs by 2 after we give them an almighty scare but ultimately Andy , Dillion and O Connor not being 100% will cost us. This by the way doesn't stop me from believing that with a bit of luck I am wrong and with this Mayo side I never give up the ghost till the final whistle blows but the above prediction is just based on what I have seen this year from both teams.
Enjoy the match everyone who has secured their tickets and to those still looking I hope you get one!
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 19, 2013, 12:22:43 PM
Quote from: TyrionLannister on September 19, 2013, 11:37:56 AM
So Brennan is dropped for Bastick, and Cian O Sullivan is going centre back.
Also Philly McMahon starting at corner back. A lot of changes.
Sounds like the Dubs are putting their best foot forward but it smacks of fear a little bit too.
Sure they expect O Suillivan to take Dillon but that takes a lot of pace from the Dublin midfield. Brennan was always the link man out of defence, crucial for short kickouts and generally set up the play for Dublin. He is a loss despite what they say in the media this week.
Is that official?? Seems like a lot of changes alright - the problem is that they could do with COS playing at both CHB and in MF. Would have preferred to see Brennan in there as I think he's a weak link.
From a very close source.
Brennan is the glue that puts it all together. Very underrated in my opinion. Just count how many possessions he gets through in a game, and how many passes forward he gets or how many times he get a short kickout. He ran the show when Mayo played Dublin in the league.
I think it will play into Mayo's hand a little in the sense that Mayo dont overly depend on Dillon any more and now the Dublin midfield will probably struggle as they are not as mobile without COS.
Surely it will upset the Dublin camp not to see a senior player like Brennan get the nod, for experience alone. It would be like Mayo dropping Moran or Vaughan for the final based on a bad semi marking the best player ever to play football - wouldnt happen. And if Philly McMahon is starting to rough up Cillian, they have already lost. Bring it on.
QuoteAs you highlighted it's our subs in the backs which will have to do some heavy lifting in order to quell the likes of Rock etc... and limiting the volume of chances for the Dubs is probably where we win the game
Rocky will be easy to quell. Ask the Brigids men.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 19, 2013, 11:32:19 AM
Quote from: Sidney on September 19, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
Number of goals Mayo have scored against Dublin's "dodgy" full back line in their last four meetings: 0
Still scored enough points last August...
Farra
you are putting in some great jostles this week
Quote from: TyrionLannister on September 19, 2013, 12:32:42 PM
And if Philly McMahon is starting to rough up Cillian, they have already lost. Bring it on.
If a player is carrying a dodgy shoulder into an All-Ireland final, you hit him hard, fair or foul, and attempt to put him out of the game.
Teams that rough up key opposition players in key matches, more often than not, win.
Tyrone roughed up Gooch. Tadhg Kennelly roughed up Nicholas Murphy. Dublin roughed up Karl Lacey in the 2011 semi-final. Meath roughed up Tyrone in 1996 and Cork in 1988 and won.
You probably have to go back to Mayo in 1996 and Galway in 1983 to find the last instances of a team starting the roughing up and losing.
Team announced:
Team: Hennelly,
Cunniffe, Cafferkey, Barrett,
Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle,
AO'Shea, SOShea,
McLoughlin, Higgins, Dillon,
O'Connor, Freeman, Moran
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 19, 2013, 12:31:23 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on September 19, 2013, 10:48:13 AM
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Dublin with video now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7654
Thanks,
Emmet
Good read as always and you more or less confirmed what has worried me coming into this match i.e. can we contain the Dubs scoring power? As you highlighted it's our subs in the backs which will have to do some heavy lifting in order to quell the likes of Rock etc... and limiting the volume of chances for the Dubs is probably where we win the game (God it's good to read a review with out the term marquee forward). On the flip side I think the Dubs defence will probably give up/ or Mayo's attack will create about 14 to 16 scores which against anyone else would win Mayo an All Ireland but I think even with our defence holding their own the impact of the Dublin bench will have us struggle to keep their scores under 18.
So I am going to call it the Dubs by 2 after we give them an almighty scare but ultimately Andy , Dillion and O Connor not being 100% will cost us. This by the way doesn't stop me from believing that with a bit of luck I am wrong and with this Mayo side I never give up the ghost till the final whistle blows but the above prediction is just based on what I have seen this year from both teams.
Enjoy the match everyone who has secured their tickets and to those still looking I hope you get one!
The great thing about Keith Higgins at CHF is that if the scores start to rack up against us, it will be relatively simple to put Higgins in as a sweeper, steady the ship and push on again....
Also Mayo are not replying on any particular forward division player to be firing on all cylinders to get us over the line, in the semi- Final, Dillon and Moran were well below par, what did we get? Our defenders coming up and kicking key points, this must take a lot of pressure of the forwards coming into the game and if the first couple of balls don't go their way, there is no need for panic.
Mayo will get a goal or two in this game, not sure if it will be a long ball through Freeman or a straight run by Vaughan, Boyle or Higgins, but either option is there and will cause the Dubs a lot of problems.....
If Dublin make all the changes that have been posted, i will be amazed and it will be a boost to Mayo. Players who have been playing well all year, don't reach the same standards in the semi and are then dropped, must filter through to the other players again adding to the overall pressure................
Same team again i see, excellent.........gives all the under performers in the Semi, another chance to show what they are made of........
Quote from: Sidney on September 19, 2013, 02:59:38 PM
Quote from: TyrionLannister on September 19, 2013, 12:32:42 PM
And if Philly McMahon is starting to rough up Cillian, they have already lost. Bring it on.
If a player is carrying a dodgy shoulder into an All-Ireland final, you hit him hard, fair or foul, and attempt to put him out of the game.
Teams that rough up key opposition players in key matches, more often than not, win.
Tyrone roughed up Gooch. Tadhg Kennelly roughed up Nicholas Murphy. Dublin roughed up Karl Lacey in the 2011 semi-final. Meath roughed up Tyrone in 1996 and Cork in 1988 and won.
You probably have to go back to Mayo in 1996 and Galway in 1983 to find the last instances of a team starting the roughing up and losing.
Hmmm, I think you are a little wide of the mark there chief!! Anyway, we werent good enough to win it even with 2 extra men on the field....................
Interesting team from Mayo. How O'Connor and Moran go will be important to the outcome, if both go poorly or injury forces them off early it could be a fatal blow to Mayo. Mayo need to have players that can come in with 20 minutes to go and have an impact, just like Dublin's subs surely will.
QuoteYou probably have to go back to Mayo in 1996 and Galway in 1983 to find the last instances of a team starting the roughing up and losing.
No you don't. Whealan closelined MacGarrity in '06. Whealan survived Ronan didn't we did!
Quote from: Zulu on September 19, 2013, 03:22:24 PM
Interesting team from Mayo. How O'Connor and Moran go will be important to the outcome, if both go poorly or injury forces them off early it could be a fatal blow to Mayo. Mayo need to have players that can come in with 20 minutes to go and have an impact, just like Dublin's subs surely will.
I cant imagine Horan staring anyone who isn't 100%, know someone close to the Mayo set-up and it appears the COC's injury has never been quite as serious as has been speculated. Time will tell.
Quote from: Zulu on September 19, 2013, 03:22:24 PM
Interesting team from Mayo. How O'Connor and Moran go will be important to the outcome, if both go poorly or injury forces them off early it could be a fatal blow to Mayo. Mayo need to have players that can come in with 20 minutes to go and have an impact, just like Dublin's subs surely will.
Expecting Andy to catch fire on Sunday. Hamstring was at him for game Vs Tyrone. 100% now.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 19, 2013, 03:39:12 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 19, 2013, 03:22:24 PM
Interesting team from Mayo. How O'Connor and Moran go will be important to the outcome, if both go poorly or injury forces them off early it could be a fatal blow to Mayo. Mayo need to have players that can come in with 20 minutes to go and have an impact, just like Dublin's subs surely will.
Expecting Andy to catch fire on Sunday. Hamstring was at him for game Vs Tyrone. 100% now.
Surely Conroy offers more of an attacking threat or is he more of an impact sub in the mould of Mc Menamin for Dublin??
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 19, 2013, 03:40:33 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 19, 2013, 03:39:12 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 19, 2013, 03:22:24 PM
Interesting team from Mayo. How O'Connor and Moran go will be important to the outcome, if both go poorly or injury forces them off early it could be a fatal blow to Mayo. Mayo need to have players that can come in with 20 minutes to go and have an impact, just like Dublin's subs surely will.
Expecting Andy to catch fire on Sunday. Hamstring was at him for game Vs Tyrone. 100% now.
Surely Conroy offers more of an attacking threat or is he more of an impact sub in the mould of Mc Menamin for Dublin??
The later I would say. He'll be first forward sub on I reckon.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on September 19, 2013, 03:20:12 PM
Hmmm, I think you are a little wide of the mark there chief!! Anyway, we werent good enough to win it even with 2 extra men on the field....................
Richie Lee started it when he clocked Joe McNally just before Barney Rock's goal.
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 19, 2013, 03:15:03 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 19, 2013, 12:31:23 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on September 19, 2013, 10:48:13 AM
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Dublin with video now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7654
Thanks,
Emmet
Good read as always and you more or less confirmed what has worried me coming into this match i.e. can we contain the Dubs scoring power? As you highlighted it's our subs in the backs which will have to do some heavy lifting in order to quell the likes of Rock etc... and limiting the volume of chances for the Dubs is probably where we win the game (God it's good to read a review with out the term marquee forward). On the flip side I think the Dubs defence will probably give up/ or Mayo's attack will create about 14 to 16 scores which against anyone else would win Mayo an All Ireland but I think even with our defence holding their own the impact of the Dublin bench will have us struggle to keep their scores under 18.
So I am going to call it the Dubs by 2 after we give them an almighty scare but ultimately Andy , Dillion and O Connor not being 100% will cost us. This by the way doesn't stop me from believing that with a bit of luck I am wrong and with this Mayo side I never give up the ghost till the final whistle blows but the above prediction is just based on what I have seen this year from both teams.
Enjoy the match everyone who has secured their tickets and to those still looking I hope you get one!
The great thing about Keith Higgins at CHF is that if the scores start to rack up against us, it will be relatively simple to put Higgins in as a sweeper, steady the ship and push on again....
Also Mayo are not replying on any particular forward division player to be firing on all cylinders to get us over the line, in the semi- Final, Dillon and Moran were well below par, what did we get? Our defenders coming up and kicking key points, this must take a lot of pressure of the forwards coming into the game and if the first couple of balls don't go their way, there is no need for panic.
Mayo will get a goal or two in this game, not sure if it will be a long ball through Freeman or a straight run by Vaughan, Boyle or Higgins, but either option is there and will cause the Dubs a lot of problems.....
If Dublin make all the changes that have been posted, i will be amazed and it will be a boost to Mayo. Players who have been playing well all year, don't reach the same standards in the semi and are then dropped, must filter through to the other players again adding to the overall pressure................
Same team again i see, excellent.........gives all the under performers in the Semi, another chance to show what they are made of........
Maith an fear an Gaeilgoir. B'fhéidir go bhfuil mé go diúltach mar gheall ar ár thaifead i cluichí ceannais ach imní orm go mbeidh ár chúl a chosaint i bhfad ró chun a ionsaí i gcoinne an fhoireann Bhaile Átha Cliath!
Tá mé treisithe ag do mhuinín san fhoireann seo i Maigh Eo agus i gcomhréir le do chuid tuairimí thuas, is é an t-am anois le haghaidh Sam MacGuire le teacht abhaile ar deireadh. Mhaigh Eo a bhuachan ag 5!! ;D (Tá mé leithscéal as mo gramadach, Is é mo Ghaeilge uafásach).
Quote from: Sidney on September 19, 2013, 03:42:52 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on September 19, 2013, 03:20:12 PM
Hmmm, I think you are a little wide of the mark there chief!! Anyway, we werent good enough to win it even with 2 extra men on the field....................
Richie Lee started it when he clocked Joe McNally just before Barney Rock's goal.
you've done the windin' now f**k off sillney
Quote from: Zulu on September 19, 2013, 03:22:24 PM
Interesting team from Mayo. How O'Connor and Moran go will be important to the outcome, if both go poorly or injury forces them off early it could be a fatal blow to Mayo. Mayo need to have players that can come in with 20 minutes to go and have an impact, just like Dublin's subs surely will.
Not really sure how interesting it is Zulu, Horan was always going to name the same starting team as the last two days, even if COC were to be out.
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 19, 2013, 03:50:22 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 19, 2013, 03:15:03 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 19, 2013, 12:31:23 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on September 19, 2013, 10:48:13 AM
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Dublin with video now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7654
Thanks,
Emmet
Good read as always and you more or less confirmed what has worried me coming into this match i.e. can we contain the Dubs scoring power? As you highlighted it's our subs in the backs which will have to do some heavy lifting in order to quell the likes of Rock etc... and limiting the volume of chances for the Dubs is probably where we win the game (God it's good to read a review with out the term marquee forward). On the flip side I think the Dubs defence will probably give up/ or Mayo's attack will create about 14 to 16 scores which against anyone else would win Mayo an All Ireland but I think even with our defence holding their own the impact of the Dublin bench will have us struggle to keep their scores under 18.
So I am going to call it the Dubs by 2 after we give them an almighty scare but ultimately Andy , Dillion and O Connor not being 100% will cost us. This by the way doesn't stop me from believing that with a bit of luck I am wrong and with this Mayo side I never give up the ghost till the final whistle blows but the above prediction is just based on what I have seen this year from both teams.
Enjoy the match everyone who has secured their tickets and to those still looking I hope you get one!
The great thing about Keith Higgins at CHF is that if the scores start to rack up against us, it will be relatively simple to put Higgins in as a sweeper, steady the ship and push on again....
Also Mayo are not replying on any particular forward division player to be firing on all cylinders to get us over the line, in the semi- Final, Dillon and Moran were well below par, what did we get? Our defenders coming up and kicking key points, this must take a lot of pressure of the forwards coming into the game and if the first couple of balls don't go their way, there is no need for panic.
Mayo will get a goal or two in this game, not sure if it will be a long ball through Freeman or a straight run by Vaughan, Boyle or Higgins, but either option is there and will cause the Dubs a lot of problems.....
If Dublin make all the changes that have been posted, i will be amazed and it will be a boost to Mayo. Players who have been playing well all year, don't reach the same standards in the semi and are then dropped, must filter through to the other players again adding to the overall pressure................
Same team again i see, excellent.........gives all the under performers in the Semi, another chance to show what they are made of........
Maith an fear an Gaeilgoir. B'fhéidir go bhfuil mé go diúltach mar gheall ar ár thaifead i cluichí ceannais ach imní orm go mbeidh ár chúl a chosaint i bhfad ró chun a ionsaí i gcoinne an fhoireann Bhaile Átha Cliath!
Tá mé treisithe ag do mhuinín san fhoireann seo i Maigh Eo agus i gcomhréir le do chuid tuairimí thuas, is é an t-am anois le haghaidh Sam MacGuire le teacht abhaile ar deireadh. Mhaigh Eo a bhuachan ag 5!! ;D (Tá mé leithscéal as mo gramadach, Is é mo Ghaeilge uafásach).
Iarracht Mhaith Crete, B+, Aontaíonn leat mar gheall leis an scór....
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 19, 2013, 04:16:17 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 19, 2013, 03:50:22 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 19, 2013, 03:15:03 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 19, 2013, 12:31:23 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on September 19, 2013, 10:48:13 AM
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Dublin with video now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7654
Thanks,
Emmet
Good read as always and you more or less confirmed what has worried me coming into this match i.e. can we contain the Dubs scoring power? As you highlighted it's our subs in the backs which will have to do some heavy lifting in order to quell the likes of Rock etc... and limiting the volume of chances for the Dubs is probably where we win the game (God it's good to read a review with out the term marquee forward). On the flip side I think the Dubs defence will probably give up/ or Mayo's attack will create about 14 to 16 scores which against anyone else would win Mayo an All Ireland but I think even with our defence holding their own the impact of the Dublin bench will have us struggle to keep their scores under 18.
So I am going to call it the Dubs by 2 after we give them an almighty scare but ultimately Andy , Dillion and O Connor not being 100% will cost us. This by the way doesn't stop me from believing that with a bit of luck I am wrong and with this Mayo side I never give up the ghost till the final whistle blows but the above prediction is just based on what I have seen this year from both teams.
Enjoy the match everyone who has secured their tickets and to those still looking I hope you get one!
The great thing about Keith Higgins at CHF is that if the scores start to rack up against us, it will be relatively simple to put Higgins in as a sweeper, steady the ship and push on again....
Also Mayo are not replying on any particular forward division player to be firing on all cylinders to get us over the line, in the semi- Final, Dillon and Moran were well below par, what did we get? Our defenders coming up and kicking key points, this must take a lot of pressure of the forwards coming into the game and if the first couple of balls don't go their way, there is no need for panic.
Mayo will get a goal or two in this game, not sure if it will be a long ball through Freeman or a straight run by Vaughan, Boyle or Higgins, but either option is there and will cause the Dubs a lot of problems.....
If Dublin make all the changes that have been posted, i will be amazed and it will be a boost to Mayo. Players who have been playing well all year, don't reach the same standards in the semi and are then dropped, must filter through to the other players again adding to the overall pressure................
Same team again i see, excellent.........gives all the under performers in the Semi, another chance to show what they are made of........
Maith an fear an Gaeilgoir. B'fhéidir go bhfuil mé go diúltach mar gheall ar ár thaifead i cluichí ceannais ach imní orm go mbeidh ár chúl a chosaint i bhfad ró chun a ionsaí i gcoinne an fhoireann Bhaile Átha Cliath!
Tá mé treisithe ag do mhuinín san fhoireann seo i Maigh Eo agus i gcomhréir le do chuid tuairimí thuas, is é an t-am anois le haghaidh Sam MacGuire le teacht abhaile ar deireadh. Mhaigh Eo a bhuachan ag 5!! ;D (Tá mé leithscéal as mo gramadach, Is é mo Ghaeilge uafásach).
Iarracht Mhaith Crete, B+, Aontaíonn leat mar gheall leis an scór....
B+ thar barr. Bhfuil go Gaeilge ard-leibhéal nó Gaelige gnáth-leibhéal? ;D
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 19, 2013, 03:51:29 PM
Quote from: Sidney on September 19, 2013, 03:42:52 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on September 19, 2013, 03:20:12 PM
Hmmm, I think you are a little wide of the mark there chief!! Anyway, we werent good enough to win it even with 2 extra men on the field....................
Richie Lee started it when he clocked Joe McNally just before Barney Rock's goal.
you've done the windin' now f**k off sillney
Look back at the video and you'll see I'm correct.
Hope Mayo do the double....win that is ;)
Quote from: TyrionLannister on September 19, 2013, 12:32:42 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 19, 2013, 12:22:43 PM
Quote from: TyrionLannister on September 19, 2013, 11:37:56 AM
So Brennan is dropped for Bastick, and Cian O Sullivan is going centre back.
Also Philly McMahon starting at corner back. A lot of changes.
Sounds like the Dubs are putting their best foot forward but it smacks of fear a little bit too.
Sure they expect O Suillivan to take Dillon but that takes a lot of pace from the Dublin midfield. Brennan was always the link man out of defence, crucial for short kickouts and generally set up the play for Dublin. He is a loss despite what they say in the media this week.
Is that official?? Seems like a lot of changes alright - the problem is that they could do with COS playing at both CHB and in MF. Would have preferred to see Brennan in there as I think he's a weak link.
From a very close source.
Brennan is the glue that puts it all together. Very underrated in my opinion. Just count how many possessions he gets through in a game, and how many passes forward he gets or how many times he get a short kickout. He ran the show when Mayo played Dublin in the league.
I think it will play into Mayo's hand a little in the sense that Mayo dont overly depend on Dillon any more and now the Dublin midfield will probably struggle as they are not as mobile without COS.
Surely it will upset the Dublin camp not to see a senior player like Brennan get the nod, for experience alone. It would be like Mayo dropping Moran or Vaughan for the final based on a bad semi marking the best player ever to play football - wouldnt happen. And if Philly McMahon is starting to rough up Cillian, they have already lost. Bring it on.
The move of McMahon,O'Suillivan into defence won the semi final and Gavin IMO has discovered his strongest 15 from that poor 1st half v Kerry. If Brennan starts then Dillion or O'Connor will pick out the passes like Cooper did.
Quote from: Sidney on September 19, 2013, 05:17:09 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 19, 2013, 03:51:29 PM
Quote from: Sidney on September 19, 2013, 03:42:52 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on September 19, 2013, 03:20:12 PM
Hmmm, I think you are a little wide of the mark there chief!! Anyway, we werent good enough to win it even with 2 extra men on the field....................
Richie Lee started it when he clocked Joe McNally just before Barney Rock's goal.
you've done the windin' now f**k off sillney
Look back at the video and you'll see I'm correct.
Your not Sid - Johnny Hughes was lamped very early on in that game and to be honest, there was plenty of stuff going on before McNally was hit, that incident just seemed to ramp it up a few notches.
Quote from: hardstation on September 19, 2013, 12:05:57 PM
At the beginning of the week a social club near to my home had 2 Mayo flags and 2 Dublin flags flying from it.
When I returned from work yesterday, I noticed that they had removed the Mayo flags and replaced them with Glasgow Celtic flags, presumably for last night's Champions League match. The Dublin flags were untouched.
As a weekend Mayo fan, I was disgusted by this.
BTW, two Dublin flags for sale. 2 euro each.
Sidney wants to know will you take a fiver?
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 19, 2013, 03:50:22 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 19, 2013, 03:15:03 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 19, 2013, 12:31:23 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on September 19, 2013, 10:48:13 AM
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Dublin with video now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7654
Thanks,
Emmet
Good read as always and you more or less confirmed what has worried me coming into this match i.e. can we contain the Dubs scoring power? As you highlighted it's our subs in the backs which will have to do some heavy lifting in order to quell the likes of Rock etc... and limiting the volume of chances for the Dubs is probably where we win the game (God it's good to read a review with out the term marquee forward). On the flip side I think the Dubs defence will probably give up/ or Mayo's attack will create about 14 to 16 scores which against anyone else would win Mayo an All Ireland but I think even with our defence holding their own the impact of the Dublin bench will have us struggle to keep their scores under 18.
So I am going to call it the Dubs by 2 after we give them an almighty scare but ultimately Andy , Dillion and O Connor not being 100% will cost us. This by the way doesn't stop me from believing that with a bit of luck I am wrong and with this Mayo side I never give up the ghost till the final whistle blows but the above prediction is just based on what I have seen this year from both teams.
Enjoy the match everyone who has secured their tickets and to those still looking I hope you get one!
The great thing about Keith Higgins at CHF is that if the scores start to rack up against us, it will be relatively simple to put Higgins in as a sweeper, steady the ship and push on again....
Also Mayo are not replying on any particular forward division player to be firing on all cylinders to get us over the line, in the semi- Final, Dillon and Moran were well below par, what did we get? Our defenders coming up and kicking key points, this must take a lot of pressure of the forwards coming into the game and if the first couple of balls don't go their way, there is no need for panic.
Mayo will get a goal or two in this game, not sure if it will be a long ball through Freeman or a straight run by Vaughan, Boyle or Higgins, but either option is there and will cause the Dubs a lot of problems.....
If Dublin make all the changes that have been posted, i will be amazed and it will be a boost to Mayo. Players who have been playing well all year, don't reach the same standards in the semi and are then dropped, must filter through to the other players again adding to the overall pressure................
Same team again i see, excellent.........gives all the under performers in the Semi, another chance to show what they are made of........
Maith an fear an Gaeilgoir. B'fhéidir go bhfuil mé go diúltach mar gheall ar ár thaifead i cluichí ceannais ach imní orm go mbeidh ár chúl a chosaint i bhfad ró chun a ionsaí i gcoinne an fhoireann Bhaile Átha Cliath!
Tá mé treisithe ag do mhuinín san fhoireann seo i Maigh Eo agus i gcomhréir le do chuid tuairimí thuas, is é an t-am anois le haghaidh Sam MacGuire le teacht abhaile ar deireadh. Mhaigh Eo a bhuachan ag 5!! ;D (Tá mé leithscéal as mo gramadach, Is é mo Ghaeilge uafásach).
Dia, Muire agus Seosamh :o
Cén teanga é sin Crete a stór? Nach raibh múinteoir gaeilge agatsa thíos i Naomh Mhuireadaigh?!
Go bhfóire Dia orainn! :)
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 19, 2013, 04:16:17 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 19, 2013, 03:50:22 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 19, 2013, 03:15:03 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 19, 2013, 12:31:23 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on September 19, 2013, 10:48:13 AM
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Dublin with video now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7654
Thanks,
Emmet
Good read as always and you more or less confirmed what has worried me coming into this match i.e. can we contain the Dubs scoring power? As you highlighted it's our subs in the backs which will have to do some heavy lifting in order to quell the likes of Rock etc... and limiting the volume of chances for the Dubs is probably where we win the game (God it's good to read a review with out the term marquee forward). On the flip side I think the Dubs defence will probably give up/ or Mayo's attack will create about 14 to 16 scores which against anyone else would win Mayo an All Ireland but I think even with our defence holding their own the impact of the Dublin bench will have us struggle to keep their scores under 18.
So I am going to call it the Dubs by 2 after we give them an almighty scare but ultimately Andy , Dillion and O Connor not being 100% will cost us. This by the way doesn't stop me from believing that with a bit of luck I am wrong and with this Mayo side I never give up the ghost till the final whistle blows but the above prediction is just based on what I have seen this year from both teams.
Enjoy the match everyone who has secured their tickets and to those still looking I hope you get one!
The great thing about Keith Higgins at CHF is that if the scores start to rack up against us, it will be relatively simple to put Higgins in as a sweeper, steady the ship and push on again....
Also Mayo are not replying on any particular forward division player to be firing on all cylinders to get us over the line, in the semi- Final, Dillon and Moran were well below par, what did we get? Our defenders coming up and kicking key points, this must take a lot of pressure of the forwards coming into the game and if the first couple of balls don't go their way, there is no need for panic.
Mayo will get a goal or two in this game, not sure if it will be a long ball through Freeman or a straight run by Vaughan, Boyle or Higgins, but either option is there and will cause the Dubs a lot of problems.....
If Dublin make all the changes that have been posted, i will be amazed and it will be a boost to Mayo. Players who have been playing well all year, don't reach the same standards in the semi and are then dropped, must filter through to the other players again adding to the overall pressure................
Same team again i see, excellent.........gives all the under performers in the Semi, another chance to show what they are made of........
Maith an fear an Gaeilgoir. B'fhéidir go bhfuil mé go diúltach mar gheall ar ár thaifead i cluichí ceannais ach imní orm go mbeidh ár chúl a chosaint i bhfad ró chun a ionsaí i gcoinne an fhoireann Bhaile Átha Cliath!
Tá mé treisithe ag do mhuinín san fhoireann seo i Maigh Eo agus i gcomhréir le do chuid tuairimí thuas, is é an t-am anois le haghaidh Sam MacGuire le teacht abhaile ar deireadh. Mhaigh Eo a bhuachan ag 5!! ;D (Tá mé leithscéal as mo gramadach, Is é mo Ghaeilge uafásach).
Iarracht Mhaith Crete, B+, Aontaíonn leat mar gheall leis an scór....
Tusa níos measa agus an leasainm sin agatsa >: Gaelgóir mo Thóin ( :)
Le gramadach mar sin, níl seans ar laghad againn :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
I hate to rain on a parade but there are some elephants in the Mayo room that nobody is talking about.
Of the six forwards named for Mayo, two are injured, two are out of form and one is playing out of position.
I know form is temporary and class is permanent, and I know that we've been assured that the injured men are successfully recovered. But Jesus Christ, one alone would be a risk. Five seems positively reckless.
I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm the dumbest man on this board come five o'clock on Sunday. But I'm terrified, and I don't know why more people aren't.
Except Farrendeelin, of course. He understands. :(
I'm fluctuating big time Iolar - pessimistic more often than optimistic :(
Quote from: Tubberman on September 20, 2013, 08:38:43 AM
I'm fluctuating big time Iolar - pessimistic more often than optimistic :(
Stay strong - this is no time to be getting the shits...maybe Monday after 20 Guinness though...
Quote from: ballinaman on September 20, 2013, 09:06:01 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 20, 2013, 08:38:43 AM
I'm fluctuating big time Iolar - pessimistic more often than optimistic :(
Stay strong - this is no time to be getting the shits...maybe Monday after 20 Guinness though...
Haha I'm on an upper again. f**k all difference I can make anyway so I might as well just enjoy it :)
Quote from: Tubberman on September 20, 2013, 09:14:14 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 20, 2013, 09:06:01 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 20, 2013, 08:38:43 AM
I'm fluctuating big time Iolar - pessimistic more often than optimistic :(
Stay strong - this is no time to be getting the shits...maybe Monday after 20 Guinness though...
Haha I'm on an upper again. f**k all difference I can make anyway so I might as well just enjoy it :)
Exactly, My brother in law was getting awfully worried about what jersey to wear and how he can't do the same ritual as the Saturday night before Donegal/Tyrone games.....FFS, i told him to get a grip. Not an iota of difference will any of it make come Sunday.
The modern world I know but I think the losing manager on Sunday is going to get some stick .
Ticket situation here in Dublin is beyond a joke. Our looseish crew of say 10 or 12 (all members or former players) has 2 tickets between us ......... both teachers who got them through their school.
Reckon Mayo will outnumber Dubs 2 or 3 to 1 on Sunday. All Mayo people at work here have tickets........ only the one Dub who has a season ticket. No surprise that not one of them went to any of the 2 Mayo league games in CP this spring.
I've seen a fair few people who haven't been to a Dublin game all year on my facebook put up pictures of their tickets, joke. Decent fan always gets rode.
Heard 2 interesting things : Each Mayo player got four Hill 16 tickets on top of their usual allocation of stand tickets.
James Horan said no to RTE to doing that player profile thingy when then turn around and walk up to the camera when the teams are being announced on RTE. Clare and Cork did it for the Hurling final. Man James, no needless distractions spending an hour filming something pointless!
mayo fans got badly treated by the county board last year and as a result we were well out numbered on the day. with this in mid a lot of people got stuck into getting tickets early and from other sources this year. the result is we could well be in the majority come sunday although i doubt there will be much in it.
following on from last year i think having the extra week i.e, playing in the first semi, gives the fans of that county a slight advantage in getting tickets from neutral sources.
The gimp of Kevin McStay predicting the result . He's on telly in a suit and he can't rip off the shirt
to show an Elvery's jersey beneath . And the look in his eye when he sits back in the seat.
It's a lot more than a match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PNufx3QQoQ
Starts at 18.16
Quote from: ballinaman on September 20, 2013, 09:21:03 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 20, 2013, 09:14:14 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 20, 2013, 09:06:01 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 20, 2013, 08:38:43 AM
I'm fluctuating big time Iolar - pessimistic more often than optimistic :(
Stay strong - this is no time to be getting the shits...maybe Monday after 20 Guinness though...
Haha I'm on an upper again. f**k all difference I can make anyway so I might as well just enjoy it :)
Exactly, My brother in law was getting awfully worried about what jersey to wear and how he can't do the same ritual as the Saturday night before Donegal/Tyrone games.....FFS, i told him to get a grip. Not an iota of difference will any of it make come Sunday.
I can sympathize with that, no harm in having the oul rituals lined up
I think the mayo buckos will have at least 50,000 at this one
Quote from: moysider on September 20, 2013, 01:17:30 AM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 19, 2013, 04:16:17 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 19, 2013, 03:50:22 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 19, 2013, 03:15:03 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 19, 2013, 12:31:23 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on September 19, 2013, 10:48:13 AM
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Dublin with video now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7654
Thanks,
Emmet
Good read as always and you more or less confirmed what has worried me coming into this match i.e. can we contain the Dubs scoring power? As you highlighted it's our subs in the backs which will have to do some heavy lifting in order to quell the likes of Rock etc... and limiting the volume of chances for the Dubs is probably where we win the game (God it's good to read a review with out the term marquee forward). On the flip side I think the Dubs defence will probably give up/ or Mayo's attack will create about 14 to 16 scores which against anyone else would win Mayo an All Ireland but I think even with our defence holding their own the impact of the Dublin bench will have us struggle to keep their scores under 18.
So I am going to call it the Dubs by 2 after we give them an almighty scare but ultimately Andy , Dillion and O Connor not being 100% will cost us. This by the way doesn't stop me from believing that with a bit of luck I am wrong and with this Mayo side I never give up the ghost till the final whistle blows but the above prediction is just based on what I have seen this year from both teams.
Enjoy the match everyone who has secured their tickets and to those still looking I hope you get one!
The great thing about Keith Higgins at CHF is that if the scores start to rack up against us, it will be relatively simple to put Higgins in as a sweeper, steady the ship and push on again....
Also Mayo are not replying on any particular forward division player to be firing on all cylinders to get us over the line, in the semi- Final, Dillon and Moran were well below par, what did we get? Our defenders coming up and kicking key points, this must take a lot of pressure of the forwards coming into the game and if the first couple of balls don't go their way, there is no need for panic.
Mayo will get a goal or two in this game, not sure if it will be a long ball through Freeman or a straight run by Vaughan, Boyle or Higgins, but either option is there and will cause the Dubs a lot of problems.....
If Dublin make all the changes that have been posted, i will be amazed and it will be a boost to Mayo. Players who have been playing well all year, don't reach the same standards in the semi and are then dropped, must filter through to the other players again adding to the overall pressure................
Same team again i see, excellent.........gives all the under performers in the Semi, another chance to show what they are made of........
Maith an fear an Gaeilgoir. B'fhéidir go bhfuil mé go diúltach mar gheall ar ár thaifead i cluichí ceannais ach imní orm go mbeidh ár chúl a chosaint i bhfad ró chun a ionsaí i gcoinne an fhoireann Bhaile Átha Cliath!
Tá mé treisithe ag do mhuinín san fhoireann seo i Maigh Eo agus i gcomhréir le do chuid tuairimí thuas, is é an t-am anois le haghaidh Sam MacGuire le teacht abhaile ar deireadh. Mhaigh Eo a bhuachan ag 5!! ;D (Tá mé leithscéal as mo gramadach, Is é mo Ghaeilge uafásach).
Iarracht Mhaith Crete, B+, Aontaíonn leat mar gheall leis an scór....
Tusa níos measa agus an leasainm sin agatsa >: Gaelgóir mo Thóin ( :)
Le gramadach mar sin, níl seans ar laghad againn :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Moy , Go mbeadh cosa gloine fút agus go mbrise an ghloine >:( >:( >:( >:(!
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 20, 2013, 10:10:11 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 20, 2013, 01:17:30 AM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 19, 2013, 04:16:17 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 19, 2013, 03:50:22 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 19, 2013, 03:15:03 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 19, 2013, 12:31:23 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on September 19, 2013, 10:48:13 AM
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Dublin with video now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7654
Thanks,
Emmet
Good read as always and you more or less confirmed what has worried me coming into this match i.e. can we contain the Dubs scoring power? As you highlighted it's our subs in the backs which will have to do some heavy lifting in order to quell the likes of Rock etc... and limiting the volume of chances for the Dubs is probably where we win the game (God it's good to read a review with out the term marquee forward). On the flip side I think the Dubs defence will probably give up/ or Mayo's attack will create about 14 to 16 scores which against anyone else would win Mayo an All Ireland but I think even with our defence holding their own the impact of the Dublin bench will have us struggle to keep their scores under 18.
So I am going to call it the Dubs by 2 after we give them an almighty scare but ultimately Andy , Dillion and O Connor not being 100% will cost us. This by the way doesn't stop me from believing that with a bit of luck I am wrong and with this Mayo side I never give up the ghost till the final whistle blows but the above prediction is just based on what I have seen this year from both teams.
Enjoy the match everyone who has secured their tickets and to those still looking I hope you get one!
The great thing about Keith Higgins at CHF is that if the scores start to rack up against us, it will be relatively simple to put Higgins in as a sweeper, steady the ship and push on again....
Also Mayo are not replying on any particular forward division player to be firing on all cylinders to get us over the line, in the semi- Final, Dillon and Moran were well below par, what did we get? Our defenders coming up and kicking key points, this must take a lot of pressure of the forwards coming into the game and if the first couple of balls don't go their way, there is no need for panic.
Mayo will get a goal or two in this game, not sure if it will be a long ball through Freeman or a straight run by Vaughan, Boyle or Higgins, but either option is there and will cause the Dubs a lot of problems.....
If Dublin make all the changes that have been posted, i will be amazed and it will be a boost to Mayo. Players who have been playing well all year, don't reach the same standards in the semi and are then dropped, must filter through to the other players again adding to the overall pressure................
Same team again i see, excellent.........gives all the under performers in the Semi, another chance to show what they are made of........
Maith an fear an Gaeilgoir. B'fhéidir go bhfuil mé go diúltach mar gheall ar ár thaifead i cluichí ceannais ach imní orm go mbeidh ár chúl a chosaint i bhfad ró chun a ionsaí i gcoinne an fhoireann Bhaile Átha Cliath!
Tá mé treisithe ag do mhuinín san fhoireann seo i Maigh Eo agus i gcomhréir le do chuid tuairimí thuas, is é an t-am anois le haghaidh Sam MacGuire le teacht abhaile ar deireadh. Mhaigh Eo a bhuachan ag 5!! ;D (Tá mé leithscéal as mo gramadach, Is é mo Ghaeilge uafásach).
Iarracht Mhaith Crete, B+, Aontaíonn leat mar gheall leis an scór....
Tusa níos measa agus an leasainm sin agatsa >: Gaelgóir mo Thóin ( :)
Le gramadach mar sin, níl seans ar laghad againn :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Moy , Go mbeadh cosa gloine fút agus go mbrise an ghloine >:( >:( >:( >:(!
Jesus Crete. Did we really need another curse on the eve of the final!
Quote from: Chimley on September 20, 2013, 10:24:32 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 20, 2013, 10:10:11 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 20, 2013, 01:17:30 AM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 19, 2013, 04:16:17 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 19, 2013, 03:50:22 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 19, 2013, 03:15:03 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 19, 2013, 12:31:23 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on September 19, 2013, 10:48:13 AM
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Mayo vs Dublin with video now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7654
Thanks,
Emmet
Good read as always and you more or less confirmed what has worried me coming into this match i.e. can we contain the Dubs scoring power? As you highlighted it's our subs in the backs which will have to do some heavy lifting in order to quell the likes of Rock etc... and limiting the volume of chances for the Dubs is probably where we win the game (God it's good to read a review with out the term marquee forward). On the flip side I think the Dubs defence will probably give up/ or Mayo's attack will create about 14 to 16 scores which against anyone else would win Mayo an All Ireland but I think even with our defence holding their own the impact of the Dublin bench will have us struggle to keep their scores under 18.
So I am going to call it the Dubs by 2 after we give them an almighty scare but ultimately Andy , Dillion and O Connor not being 100% will cost us. This by the way doesn't stop me from believing that with a bit of luck I am wrong and with this Mayo side I never give up the ghost till the final whistle blows but the above prediction is just based on what I have seen this year from both teams.
Enjoy the match everyone who has secured their tickets and to those still looking I hope you get one!
The great thing about Keith Higgins at CHF is that if the scores start to rack up against us, it will be relatively simple to put Higgins in as a sweeper, steady the ship and push on again....
Also Mayo are not replying on any particular forward division player to be firing on all cylinders to get us over the line, in the semi- Final, Dillon and Moran were well below par, what did we get? Our defenders coming up and kicking key points, this must take a lot of pressure of the forwards coming into the game and if the first couple of balls don't go their way, there is no need for panic.
Mayo will get a goal or two in this game, not sure if it will be a long ball through Freeman or a straight run by Vaughan, Boyle or Higgins, but either option is there and will cause the Dubs a lot of problems.....
If Dublin make all the changes that have been posted, i will be amazed and it will be a boost to Mayo. Players who have been playing well all year, don't reach the same standards in the semi and are then dropped, must filter through to the other players again adding to the overall pressure................
Same team again i see, excellent.........gives all the under performers in the Semi, another chance to show what they are made of........
Maith an fear an Gaeilgoir. B'fhéidir go bhfuil mé go diúltach mar gheall ar ár thaifead i cluichí ceannais ach imní orm go mbeidh ár chúl a chosaint i bhfad ró chun a ionsaí i gcoinne an fhoireann Bhaile Átha Cliath!
Tá mé treisithe ag do mhuinín san fhoireann seo i Maigh Eo agus i gcomhréir le do chuid tuairimí thuas, is é an t-am anois le haghaidh Sam MacGuire le teacht abhaile ar deireadh. Mhaigh Eo a bhuachan ag 5!! ;D (Tá mé leithscéal as mo gramadach, Is é mo Ghaeilge uafásach).
Iarracht Mhaith Crete, B+, Aontaíonn leat mar gheall leis an scór....
Tusa níos measa agus an leasainm sin agatsa >: Gaelgóir mo Thóin ( :)
Le gramadach mar sin, níl seans ar laghad againn :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Moy , Go mbeadh cosa gloine fút agus go mbrise an ghloine >:( >:( >:( >:(!
Jesus Crete. Did we really need another curse on the eve of the final!
I don't think I know any good insults that don't involve a curse or the devil or both ;D
QuoteOf the six forwards named for Mayo, two are injured, two are out of form and one is playing out of position.
The two were injured. Moran was carrying an injury the last day and he will be flying on Sunday. I hear that COC can take plenty of pucks to the shoulder but it's the innocuous collision that could ruffle him (again), he is best to start and give it a crack and it is emblematic of this teams attitude that he starts. So those are positives.
Alan Dillion played a blinder in the 2nd half against Tyrone and if the match is tight I expect him to shine, as he always does against the Dubs. He threaded a ball through to Freeman (i think) that gooch would admire the last day and scored a class point early in the 2nd half.
If the other one is KMcL?, then it wasn't form that was off the last day but the constant physicality he was subjected to throughout the game. He got a belt early in the game that I think lost him a yard. Again another man that loves playing against the Dubs. I would like him to be the sweeper for the 1st ten minutes rather than Higgins (as suggested by KMcStay, but I would say that was to bum steer the Dubs anyhow).
No one is playing out of position? Tis the same team named as the last day.
If anyone should be worried it will be the Dubs;
What are they going to do when there young lads up front will be smothered of possession and forced to kicking from the 50?
What is their plan B for the kick outs when SC will be holding his palms out looking for a free Dub like a priest willing people to pray?
How are they going to stop Colm Boyle's, Keith Higgin's, Donal Vaughan's, Christy Barretts runs through their (proven) porous backline?
When Darragh McCauly's predictable ball hop is intercepted what will he do with the next ball?
When young McCaffery's first run is stopped and we counterattack will it be his last?
When Connolly starts to lose the head will they take him off or will he be sent off?
Will they sub Brogan again?
When they fall 4 to 5 behind what will effect will the Hill have on their novice forwards?
Time will tell, but for in my mind we are favorites for this and rightly so. No doubt we have our own homework to do on the Dubs and also on our own weaknesses.
But overall I think our homework is lighter than theirs and we also have the better footballers and I'm 100% sure they are going to do the business on Sunday.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 20, 2013, 08:18:56 AM
I hate to rain on a parade but there are some elephants in the Mayo room that nobody is talking about.
Of the six forwards named for Mayo, two are injured, two are out of form and one is playing out of position.
I know form is temporary and class is permanent, and I know that we've been assured that the injured men are successfully recovered. But Jesus Christ, one alone would be a risk. Five seems positively reckless.
I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm the dumbest man on this board come five o'clock on Sunday. But I'm terrified, and I don't know why more people aren't.
Except Farrendeelin, of course. He understands. :(
I share your concerns and so do a lot of people I m talking. The summer masses will be optimistic of course and kids will have no fear - curses and bad history mean nothing to them.
I m not surprised Horan has named the same team though. Maybe there ll be a late surprise but I doubt it. Some of our players are not 100% or probably nowhere near it but they could be vital in settling the team down early and then see how the story goes. Decision making will be crucial. Andy, Dillon, Higgins and COC are among our best players in this respect. Any replacements would not be.
Quote from: highorlow on September 20, 2013, 10:53:52 AM
QuoteOf the six forwards named for Mayo, two are injured, two are out of form and one is playing out of position.
The two were injured. Moran was carrying an injury the last day and he will be flying on Sunday. I hear that COC can take plenty of pucks to the shoulder but it's the innocuous collision that could ruffle him (again), he is best to start and give it a crack and it is emblematic of this teams attitude that he starts. So those are positives.
Alan Dillion played a blinder in the 2nd half against Tyrone and if the match is tight I expect him to shine, as he always does against the Dubs. He threaded a ball through to Freeman (i think) that gooch would admire the last day and scored a class point early in the 2nd half.
If the other one is KMcL?, then it wasn't form that was off the last day but the constant physicality he was subjected to throughout the game. He got a belt early in the game that I think lost him a yard. Again another man that loves playing against the Dubs. I would like him to be the sweeper for the 1st ten minutes rather than Higgins (as suggested by KMcStay, but I would say that was to bum steer the Dubs anyhow).
No one is playing out of position? Tis the same team named as the last day.
If anyone should be worried it will be the Dubs;
What are they going to do when there young lads up front will be smothered of possession and forced to kicking from the 50?
What is their plan B for the kick outs when SC will be holding his palms out looking for a free Dub like a priest willing people to pray?
How are they going to stop Colm Boyle's, Keith Higgin's, Donal Vaughan's, Christy Barretts runs through their (proven) porous backline?
When Darragh McCauly's predictable ball hop is intercepted what will he do with the next ball?
When young McCaffery's first run is stopped and we counterattack will it be his last?
When Connolly starts to lose the head will they take him off or will he be sent off?
Will they sub Brogan again?
When they fall 4 to 5 behind what will effect will the Hill have on their novice forwards?
Time will tell, but for in my mind we are favorites for this and rightly so. No doubt we have our own homework to do on the Dubs and also on our own weaknesses.
But overall I think our homework is lighter than theirs and we also have the better footballers and I'm 100% sure they are going to do the business on Sunday.
Begob, that post has given me more courage than a feed of pints. Fair dues highorlow.
Hi highorlow
Let me answer a few of your questions
If the young lads get smothered, roll on McManamon/Cullen/ Rock/O'Gara
If we need a plan B for the kick outs, roll on Bastick
Our porous back line hadn't conceded much on the scoreboard before the Kerry game - and we usually outscore what we concede
McCauley's "predictable" ball hop has been on full display for the past four seasons and not many have lived with it
If Jack is stopped, sure we might get James running at ya
this is the same Connoly who was man of the match in the last game, being marked by one of the greatest defenders in the past twenty years?
to be fair, they subbed Berno because he was injured the last day - and if we sub him after he scores six points, four from play, against this magnificent Mayo back line, I'd be happy with his performance
Hmmm - fell 5 behind against Kildare, we were behind against Cork, and I don;t need to remind you how far we were behind against Kerry - or how the Hill stayed with them all the way - best atmosphere at a game I've ever experienced.
You may notice I'm not asking any questions of what Mayo are going to do - and that's because we're going to go and play our own game regardless. Can't wait for it - underdogs in a full Croker? Bring it on.
Quote from: easytiger95 on September 20, 2013, 11:37:46 AM
Hi highorlow
Let me answer a few of your questions
If the young lads get smothered, roll on McManamon/Cullen/ Rock/O'Gara
If we need a plan B for the kick outs, roll on Bastick
Our porous back line hadn't conceded much on the scoreboard before the Kerry game - and we usually outscore what we concede
McCauley's "predictable" ball hop has been on full display for the past four seasons and not many have lived with it
If Jack is stopped, sure we might get James running at ya
this is the same Connoly who was man of the match in the last game, being marked by one of the greatest defenders in the past twenty years?
to be fair, they subbed Berno because he was injured the last day - and if we sub him after he scores six points, four from play, against this magnificent Mayo back line, I'd be happy with his performance
Hmmm - fell 5 behind against Kildare, we were behind against Cork, and I don;t need to remind you how far we were behind against Kerry - or how the Hill stayed with them all the way - best atmosphere at a game I've ever experienced.
You may notice I'm not asking any questions of what Mayo are going to do - and that's because we're going to go and play our own game regardless. Can't wait for it - underdogs in a full Croker? Bring it on.
Damn you tiger.
Now I m depressed again :(
The main worry for me is that throughout the campaign to date, Mayo have drifted out of games. This cannot happen against Dublin. But I fear it will. We are not 'destined' to win because we lost the previous 6. I did say before Dublin v Kerry that the team that beats Dublin will win Sam. Can Mayo be the team? Hopefully, but then again, I share concerns raised by Iolar and moy and others who doubt the Mayo team too.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 20, 2013, 12:23:00 PM
The main worry for me is that throughout the campaign to date, Mayo have drifted out of games. This cannot happen against Dublin. But I fear it will. We are not 'destined' to win because we lost the previous 6. I did say before Dublin v Kerry that the team that beats Dublin will win Sam. Can Mayo be the team? Hopefully, but then again, I share concerns raised by Iolar and moy and others who doubt the Mayo team too.
That pisses me off big time. You've got to win the thing for yourself.
I was in Vegas a few years ago and saw 36 blacks in a row come up in a roulette game in the MGM. Lads kept throwing money on red thinking surely it was going to happen...fair bit of money lost that night I tell ya!
Quote from: ballinaman on September 20, 2013, 12:32:25 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 20, 2013, 12:23:00 PM
The main worry for me is that throughout the campaign to date, Mayo have drifted out of games. This cannot happen against Dublin. But I fear it will. We are not 'destined' to win because we lost the previous 6. I did say before Dublin v Kerry that the team that beats Dublin will win Sam. Can Mayo be the team? Hopefully, but then again, I share concerns raised by Iolar and moy and others who doubt the Mayo team too.
That pisses me off big time. You've got to win the thing for yourself.
I was in Vegas a few years ago and saw 36 blacks in a row come up in a roulette game in the MGM. Lads kept throwing money on red thinking surely it was going to happen...fair bit of money lost that night I tell ya!
But is that anecdote not backing up what Farr. is saying.
36 blacks in a row = Mayo string of defeats.
Throwing money on red = belief that Mayo's losing run must end sometime?
Quote from: moysider on September 20, 2013, 12:40:53 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 20, 2013, 12:32:25 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 20, 2013, 12:23:00 PM
The main worry for me is that throughout the campaign to date, Mayo have drifted out of games. This cannot happen against Dublin. But I fear it will. We are not 'destined' to win because we lost the previous 6. I did say before Dublin v Kerry that the team that beats Dublin will win Sam. Can Mayo be the team? Hopefully, but then again, I share concerns raised by Iolar and moy and others who doubt the Mayo team too.
That pisses me off big time. You've got to win the thing for yourself.
I was in Vegas a few years ago and saw 36 blacks in a row come up in a roulette game in the MGM. Lads kept throwing money on red thinking surely it was going to happen...fair bit of money lost that night I tell ya!
But is that anecdote not backing up what Farr. is saying.
36 blacks in a row = Mayo string of defeats.
Throwing money on red = belief that Mayo's losing run must end sometime?
And we're only at 6! Another 30 losses to go before we reach The Promised Land :(
Just had my shit day cheered up, have 2 tickets sorted for the match :D
Quote from: Tubberman on September 20, 2013, 12:42:37 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 20, 2013, 12:40:53 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 20, 2013, 12:32:25 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 20, 2013, 12:23:00 PM
The main worry for me is that throughout the campaign to date, Mayo have drifted out of games. This cannot happen against Dublin. But I fear it will. We are not 'destined' to win because we lost the previous 6. I did say before Dublin v Kerry that the team that beats Dublin will win Sam. Can Mayo be the team? Hopefully, but then again, I share concerns raised by Iolar and moy and others who doubt the Mayo team too.
That pisses me off big time. You've got to win the thing for yourself.
I was in Vegas a few years ago and saw 36 blacks in a row come up in a roulette game in the MGM. Lads kept throwing money on red thinking surely it was going to happen...fair bit of money lost that night I tell ya!
But is that anecdote not backing up what Farr. is saying.
36 blacks in a row = Mayo string of defeats.
Throwing money on red = belief that Mayo's losing run must end sometime?
And we're only at 6! Another 30 losses to go before we reach The Promised Land :(
Jesus I don't know now what to think when you put like like that moy!!
Thought this was worth sharing.
An open letter to the Mayo team
" What we are living a lifetime for"
Dear lads
Here we go again. Another September and we rest our dream on your young shoulders. It's a lot for you to carry on All-Ireland Final day. But if we can't trust you, where else can we turn. We're squeezing the ticket of a lifelong journey into your safe hands for you to get us a travel pass so as we can live a dream.
Who are we? We're the woman serving the meal at a wedding in the Castlecourt. We're the kid playing in the schoolyard. We're the girls on the B shift in Baxter. The exiles in London or Long Island. The five Ballinrobe lads who took off one morning for Australia.
The patient in hospital wearing her Mayo neckband. We're the mother who worries daily about the price of the school books or the uniform. We're the fly by nights, the chancers, the sleeveens, and the all right sort of an 'auld character'.
We're the singletons, the married, the divorced, the widowers and the widowed. We're the dreamers and believers and the legends of the road. We're Mayo.
You're the gift we inherited when dad brought us to see you play. It's the Sunday of childhood that has become every day or our life since. From high infants you were there.
We were Morley and Prendergast in sixth class. In secondary school you were with us too. Tickeen and Joeeen. We were you wearing our Mayo socks in Presentation College Headford. No replica jerseys then. It was years later we proudly adorned ourselves in Larry's (McEllin) famous shirt.
You were there playing gooseberry when we fell in love. If she had no heed in football she was ditched. Didn't matter a damn if she had a dowry and road frontage. Ours was a different kind of love. Monday's when we woke with our football hearts broken.
You were there when the kids were born. We passed on the baton on. The easiest gospel we ever preached. All the roaring getting them up for Mass we could have saved ourselves if the priest wore red and green vestments. They are mothers themselves now. In the car with us now on this crusade. Full driving license too. The next generation in the back. Too big a stack to be strapped in the baby seat either. A growing reminder that precious time is slipping away.
Because of you we have to put an extra set of tyres and tax the car most years. Never had a right holiday either.
Wouldn't know Lanzarote from Pavorotti.
Met a woman once who was going to Cornwall. "Ah lovely," I said by way of saying something. "Were you ever there?" she asked. "No" I replied, feeling a right idiot.
Didn't bother asking her was she in Scotstown on a cold crisp January Sunday in 1996, the day Kenny Mortimer was sent off. We burdened Kenny and his brothers with this dream too. Left it on Noel Connelly's shoulder also. Others too like Ronaldson, Geraghty, the genius Ciaran McDonald, Willie Joe and McStay. They were worthy of our hopes and aspirations. Their want was ours.
You're the reason we clutched at straws in the gale. 1985 when Mayo and Monaghan were in the All-Ireland semi-finals and some pleb told us Old Moore's predicted two M's would meet in the All-Ireland. We scoured every page for confirmation, but two M's for the Maam Cross Fair was as near as we got. We just want from you one September Sunday when an unimaginable world unfolds.
Small things will do us thereafter. A night around Christmas when the family are gathered. A warm fire and we watching the video of Mayo winning the All-Ireland Final of 2013. Hair still standing on the napes of our necks.
We'll get a nice picture too standing between Donal, Kenneth, Mickey and Colm holding the Sam Maguire. For the coffin. Our jersey strewn on the lid beside it and the congregation singing our Mayo anthem "The Green and Red of Mayo" when they wheel us out. That's what we're living a lifetime for. You're carrying us on your shoulders now. In Mayo we trust.
Good Luck
Willie McHugh
For those too lazy to read...here's the audio link read by Willie himself...
http://www.rte.ie/news/morningireland/player.html?20130920,20440729,20440729,flash,257
Quote from: All of a Sludden on September 20, 2013, 01:19:18 PM
Thought this was worth sharing.
An open letter to the Mayo team
" What we are living a lifetime for"
Dear lads
Here we go again. Another September and we rest our dream on your young shoulders. It's a lot for you to carry on All-Ireland Final day. But if we can't trust you, where else can we turn. We're squeezing the ticket of a lifelong journey into your safe hands for you to get us a travel pass so as we can live a dream.
Who are we? We're the woman serving the meal at a wedding in the Castlecourt. We're the kid playing in the schoolyard. We're the girls on the B shift in Baxter. The exiles in London or Long Island. The five Ballinrobe lads who took off one morning for Australia.
The patient in hospital wearing her Mayo neckband. We're the mother who worries daily about the price of the school books or the uniform. We're the fly by nights, the chancers, the sleeveens, and the all right sort of an 'auld character'.
We're the singletons, the married, the divorced, the widowers and the widowed. We're the dreamers and believers and the legends of the road. We're Mayo.
You're the gift we inherited when dad brought us to see you play. It's the Sunday of childhood that has become every day or our life since. From high infants you were there.
We were Morley and Prendergast in sixth class. In secondary school you were with us too. Tickeen and Joeeen. We were you wearing our Mayo socks in Presentation College Headford. No replica jerseys then. It was years later we proudly adorned ourselves in Larry's (McEllin) famous shirt.
You were there playing gooseberry when we fell in love. If she had no heed in football she was ditched. Didn't matter a damn if she had a dowry and road frontage. Ours was a different kind of love. Monday's when we woke with our football hearts broken.
You were there when the kids were born. We passed on the baton on. The easiest gospel we ever preached. All the roaring getting them up for Mass we could have saved ourselves if the priest wore red and green vestments. They are mothers themselves now. In the car with us now on this crusade. Full driving license too. The next generation in the back. Too big a stack to be strapped in the baby seat either. A growing reminder that precious time is slipping away.
Because of you we have to put an extra set of tyres and tax the car most years. Never had a right holiday either.
Wouldn't know Lanzarote from Pavorotti.
Met a woman once who was going to Cornwall. "Ah lovely," I said by way of saying something. "Were you ever there?" she asked. "No" I replied, feeling a right idiot.
Didn't bother asking her was she in Scotstown on a cold crisp January Sunday in 1996, the day Kenny Mortimer was sent off. We burdened Kenny and his brothers with this dream too. Left it on Noel Connelly's shoulder also. Others too like Ronaldson, Geraghty, the genius Ciaran McDonald, Willie Joe and McStay. They were worthy of our hopes and aspirations. Their want was ours.
You're the reason we clutched at straws in the gale. 1985 when Mayo and Monaghan were in the All-Ireland semi-finals and some pleb told us Old Moore's predicted two M's would meet in the All-Ireland. We scoured every page for confirmation, but two M's for the Maam Cross Fair was as near as we got. We just want from you one September Sunday when an unimaginable world unfolds.
Small things will do us thereafter. A night around Christmas when the family are gathered. A warm fire and we watching the video of Mayo winning the All-Ireland Final of 2013. Hair still standing on the napes of our necks.
We'll get a nice picture too standing between Donal, Kenneth, Mickey and Colm holding the Sam Maguire. For the coffin. Our jersey strewn on the lid beside it and the congregation singing our Mayo anthem "The Green and Red of Mayo" when they wheel us out. That's what we're living a lifetime for. You're carrying us on your shoulders now. In Mayo we trust.
Good Luck
Willie McHugh
Jaysis, I'm a Dub and thats after making me cry a little bit. If the worst happens on Sunday amd Mayo win, reading that again will make me feel a small bit better.
Hope none of the team read that before 3:30 on Sunday, emotional baggage at best.
Jaysis lads if the match is as entertaining as this topic has turned out it'll be some game!
Quietly confident about this game. Honestly don't think Mayo fans realize how much Dublin are gunning for them to make up especially for the shame of 2006. Can see why........ they are wrapped up in their own historical baggage but they would be unwise to think that Dublin are just turning up to play the Laurel to their Hardy.
6 or so Dubs going for their 1st All Ireland medal.
The confidence of the Mayo people here in Dublin by the way is staggering. Never seen such bravado before a game which I suppose is a relief to the cageyness/ downplaying most counties engage in before big games.
Anyway safe travelling to all posters here and may the best team win.
That's some article by Willie McHugh!
Quote from: Canalman on September 20, 2013, 03:01:59 PM
The confidence of the Mayo people here in Dublin by the way is staggering. Never seen such bravado before a game which I suppose is a relief to the cageyness/ downplaying most counties engage in before big games.
I've gone to school, college and worked beside Mayo people all my life and invariably they fluctuate between being either morbidly pessimistic about their footballers or wildly optimistic to the point of delusion. With not a whole lot of grey area in between. You get used to it. :)
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 20, 2013, 03:20:46 PM
Quote from: Canalman on September 20, 2013, 03:01:59 PM
The confidence of the Mayo people here in Dublin by the way is staggering. Never seen such bravado before a game which I suppose is a relief to the cageyness/ downplaying most counties engage in before big games.
I've gone to school, college and worked beside Mayo people all my life and invariably they fluctuate between being either morbidly pessimistic about their footballers or wildly optimistic to the point of delusion. With not a whole lot of grey area in between. You get used to it. :)
Well in fairness our mood is just connected to the Mayo team which is either dumped out of the 1st round of the qualifers or becomes provincial champions challenging for the big prize in Sept with little or no grey area in between . Don't know if you ever get used to it just better at drinking to cope with it!! ;D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 20, 2013, 12:23:00 PM
The main worry for me is that throughout the campaign to date, Mayo have drifted out of games. This cannot happen against Dublin. But I fear it will. We are not 'destined' to win because we lost the previous 6. I did say before Dublin v Kerry that the team that beats Dublin will win Sam. Can Mayo be the team? Hopefully, but then again, I share concerns raised by Iolar and moy and others who doubt the Mayo team too.
Hey Farra - what about a crazy scenario like Mayo win a game they have no right to win with a flukey goal at a key moment?
Loads of teams have lost all Irelands to so called lesser teams.
Can't wait for Sunday now. All the ingredients there for a better game than the Kerry Dublin semi final. Dubs are saying nothing, not even to their nearest and dearest, expect a massive performance from them. If Mayo are to win they have to excel at two things: apply huge pressure to the Dublin shooter (Dublin will look to create their usual much larger than average shot attempt) and attack the Dublin fb line. I expect COC and Moran to play better than expected but the man I'd be looking to feed is Freeman. Has really developed his game this year and is attracting zero attention in the build up. Like Clare in the hurling they need to bring something unexpected at 3.30. If Brennan plays everyone expects Dillon to be the man to do a Gooch on him. I'd throw Higgins in centre forward though with the instruction to move him around and run at him. They could also look to drop Higgins back between the 21 and the 45 where the Dubs take the majority of their shots from.
Don't expect any changes to the Dublin team. Can't see them disrupting the hb line and midfield they have been using all year at the last minute. The vastly under rated Paddy Andrews has to start up front as well. Probably the most accurate of all the Dublin forwards. Expect a big game from Kilkenny and Flynn as well. Connolly to blow cold though, struggles to reach the same high levels two games in a row. Dublin will win this if they start to convert the numerous goal chances that they have been creating. Too much head down shooting for the corner when a simple pop pass to the free man inside was the correct option.
Can't see more than a point or two in it, if I was putting money on it I'd stick it on the draw. Hope we get a result on the day though, will be fantastic celebrations no matter which team wins it. Hope everyone deserving gets sorted with tickets, may the best team win.
Quote from: seafoid on September 20, 2013, 03:28:26 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 20, 2013, 12:23:00 PM
The main worry for me is that throughout the campaign to date, Mayo have drifted out of games. This cannot happen against Dublin. But I fear it will. We are not 'destined' to win because we lost the previous 6. I did say before Dublin v Kerry that the team that beats Dublin will win Sam. Can Mayo be the team? Hopefully, but then again, I share concerns raised by Iolar and moy and others who doubt the Mayo team too.
Hey Farra - what about a crazy scenario like Mayo win a game they have no right to win with a flukey goal at a key moment?
Loads of teams have lost all Irelands to so called lesser teams.
I dont think i ever remember mayo winning a match they shouldn't have, the seem to need to be way better to win matches they have often lost ones they should have won , its the inability to catch a luck break that has hurt mayo over the years.
I mean Coyle from the half fecking way fecking line
maybe sunday will be that day.......
Quote from: rosnarun on September 20, 2013, 03:55:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 20, 2013, 03:28:26 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 20, 2013, 12:23:00 PM
The main worry for me is that throughout the campaign to date, Mayo have drifted out of games. This cannot happen against Dublin. But I fear it will. We are not 'destined' to win because we lost the previous 6. I did say before Dublin v Kerry that the team that beats Dublin will win Sam. Can Mayo be the team? Hopefully, but then again, I share concerns raised by Iolar and moy and others who doubt the Mayo team too.
Hey Farra - what about a crazy scenario like Mayo win a game they have no right to win with a flukey goal at a key moment?
Loads of teams have lost all Irelands to so called lesser teams.
I dont think i ever remember mayo winning a match they shouldn't have, the seem to need to be way better to win matches they have often lost ones they should have won , its the inability to catch a luck break that has hurt mayo over the years.
I mean Coyle from the half fecking way fecking line
maybe sunday will be that day.......
It would a great habit to break. Something really jammy for a change.
Good luck to Mayo. Would love to see them do it.
Brennan to start. Careful what you wish for Mayo supporters...
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 20, 2013, 10:04:37 PM
Brennan to start. Careful what you wish for Mayo supporters...
And Philly Mc Mahon ;)
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 20, 2013, 10:04:37 PM
Brennan to start. Careful what you wish for Mayo supporters...
Fully expected him to start anyway. I was hoping he would be dropped.
Quote from: moysider on September 20, 2013, 10:14:47 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 20, 2013, 10:04:37 PM
Brennan to start. Careful what you wish for Mayo supporters...
Fully expected him to start anyway. I was hoping he would be dropped.
really! Why?
Dublin have named their team for this weekends All Ireland decider in Croke Park...
Jim Gavin makes only one change, replacing Kevin O'Brien with Philly McMahon from the side that beat Kerry in the semi final a few weeks ago. Stephen Cluxton will captain Dublin in the final as he and Dublin look to replicate the results of 2011.
Dublin: Stephen Cluxton (captain); Philly McMahon, Rory O'Carroll, Jonny Cooper; James McCarthy, Ger Brennan, Jack McCaffrey; Michael D MacAuley, Cian O'Sullivan; Paul Flynn, Ciaran Kilkenny, Diarmuid Connolly; Paul Mannion, Paddy Andrews, Bernard Brogan.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 20, 2013, 10:04:37 PM
Brennan to start. Careful what you wish for Mayo supporters...
Taken off at half time in the semi final and restored to the starting line up for the final, thats a rare sight.
Quote from: Johnnybegood on September 20, 2013, 10:31:14 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 20, 2013, 10:14:47 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 20, 2013, 10:04:37 PM
Brennan to start. Careful what you wish for Mayo supporters...
Fully expected him to start anyway. I was hoping he would be dropped.
really! Why?
Because Ger Brennan is good at what he does. There are some things he can't do but what he does do, he does exceptionally well.
Recent Mayo and Dublin games, even in the league, tend to be roller coasters. One team gets on top and scores heavily and then it reverses completely. 2006 & 2012 were both like that. Dublin's game versus Kerry suggests they won't do anything to avoid that sort of game so the question is, will we?
I expect Davy Fitz style hell for leather from Mayo from the throw in.
I think it will be our highest intensity yet, even higher than Galway or Donegal.
Dublin are obviously better than those two, but if the scores come for us with the work rate we will be really motoring. Given the above comment about roller coaster matches, even if we do get ahead, we know the Dubs can score quickly when they get their tails up. They won't quit after 25 minutes like the 2 above. How would we react to a Dublin comeback? Maybe like last year? We had two goal chances to end it last year and I think this year we would take at least one of those. We wouldn't like to be relying on Bernard to miss again.
There is then the issue of McMenamin and Rock coming in, with fresh legs, on players who have played the majority of a highly intensive game. Do we bring on fresh subs in the backs to deal with this? If so who?
Last year I was as hopeful as any Mayo supporter, but I was really concerned about the FF line. Regardless of what happened in the FB line at the start of that match, for me our FF line never got the scores that could have won it for us. Varley never got going, Cillian was bullied out of it at FF and Conroy was the best of the 3, but really only played well for a spell before half time.
This year were have Cillian in the corner, Freeman in form and Andy Moran with a bit to prove, but a chance to remembered forever. I much prefer this trio. We also have Conroy to come in. I think our forwards will be fine.
At the other end I am happier seeing Cunniffe there and Barrett has done well. If anything fails badly early on, bring back Higgins.
Flynn, Kilkenny, Connolly versus our HBs will be some battle. If the Dubs get 2 of these 3 pulling strings high up the pitch we will be in trouble. But we have the 3 to take them on. This contest will be worth the admission alone.
Midfield need to win our ball, which they should and there is Barry Moran if they don't. We will really need to figure out and disrupt Clucko's kick outs early in the game. If we do that we will win. Simple as.
Mayo by 4-6. (mainly because I don't want to be 2 points up watching McMenamin running towards our goal in injury time)
Looking forward to the game (sorry no tickets for any Dubs or Mayo supporters ) this is a hard game to call. Not surprised with either team named but not sure if there will be any late changes. No offence Dubs but have to shout for Mayo given the long wait. Have been really impressed by both teams this year.
Hopefully we will have a good game .
Quote from: spuds on September 20, 2013, 01:45:47 PM
Hope none of the team read that before 3:30 on Sunday, emotional baggage at best.
Absolutely, nostalgic rubbish
Quote from: stephenite on September 20, 2013, 11:53:38 PM
Quote from: spuds on September 20, 2013, 01:45:47 PM
Hope none of the team read that before 3:30 on Sunday, emotional baggage at best.
Absolutely, nostalgic rubbish
The fans and the team have different motivations. The team wants to perform to the best of its ability and the fans want the emotional rush. If the team are flagging the fans will lift them. It's all towards the same goal in the end.
Quote from: TyrionLannister on September 19, 2013, 12:32:42 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 19, 2013, 12:22:43 PM
Quote from: TyrionLannister on September 19, 2013, 11:37:56 AM
So Brennan is dropped for Bastick, and Cian O Sullivan is going centre back.
Also Philly McMahon starting at corner back. A lot of changes.
Sounds like the Dubs are putting their best foot forward but it smacks of fear a little bit too.
Sure they expect O Suillivan to take Dillon but that takes a lot of pace from the Dublin midfield. Brennan was always the link man out of defence, crucial for short kickouts and generally set up the play for Dublin. He is a loss despite what they say in the media this week.
Is that official?? Seems like a lot of changes alright - the problem is that they could do with COS playing at both CHB and in MF. Would have preferred to see Brennan in there as I think he's a weak link.
From a very close source.
Brennan is the glue that puts it all together. Very underrated in my opinion. Just count how many possessions he gets through in a game, and how many passes forward he gets or how many times he get a short kickout. He ran the show when Mayo played Dublin in the league.
I think it will play into Mayo's hand a little in the sense that Mayo dont overly depend on Dillon any more and now the Dublin midfield will probably struggle as they are not as mobile without COS.
Surely it will upset the Dublin camp not to see a senior player like Brennan get the nod, for experience alone. It would be like Mayo dropping Moran or Vaughan for the final based on a bad semi marking the best player ever to play football - wouldnt happen. And if Philly McMahon is starting to rough up Cillian, they have already lost. Bring it on.
How's your close source getting on? ::)
Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2013, 11:46:30 PM
Recent Mayo and Dublin games, even in the league, tend to be roller coasters. One team gets on top and scores heavily and then it reverses completely. 2006 & 2012 were both like that. Dublin's game versus Kerry suggests they won't do anything to avoid that sort of game so the question is, will we?
I expect Davy Fitz style hell for leather from Mayo from the throw in.
I think it will be our highest intensity yet, even higher than Galway or Donegal.
Dublin are obviously better than those two, but if the scores come for us with the work rate we will be really motoring. Given the above comment about roller coaster matches, even if we do get ahead, we know the Dubs can score quickly when they get their tails up. They won't quit after 25 minutes like the 2 above. How would we react to a Dublin comeback? Maybe like last year? We had two goal chances to end it last year and I think this year we would take at least one of those. We wouldn't like to be relying on Bernard to miss again.
There is then the issue of McMenamin and Rock coming in, with fresh legs, on players who have played the majority of a highly intensive game. Do we bring on fresh subs in the backs to deal with this? If so who?
Last year I was as hopeful as any Mayo supporter, but I was really concerned about the FF line. Regardless of what happened in the FB line at the start of that match, for me our FF line never got the scores that could have won it for us. Varley never got going, Cillian was bullied out of it at FF and Conroy was the best of the 3, but really only played well for a spell before half time.
This year were have Cillian in the corner, Freeman in form and Andy Moran with a bit to prove, but a chance to remembered forever. I much prefer this trio. We also have Conroy to come in. I think our forwards will be fine.
At the other end I am happier seeing Cunniffe there and Barrett has done well. If anything fails badly early on, bring back Higgins.
Flynn, Kilkenny, Connolly versus our HBs will be some battle. If the Dubs get 2 of these 3 pulling strings high up the pitch we will be in trouble. But we have the 3 to take them on. This contest will be worth the admission alone.
Midfield need to win our ball, which they should and there is Barry Moran if they don't. We will really need to figure out and disrupt Clucko's kick outs early in the game. If we do that we will win. Simple as.
Mayo by 4-6. (mainly because I don't want to be 2 points up watching McMenamin running towards our goal in injury time)
Good post there muppet....
This team and managment have had a belief and conviction that they will win this match...this belief has been there since the Monday after last years final and they have been proved correct so far...
As supporters if they believe, we should believe....
Mayo by 4.
Good post muppet and well summed up.
I'm one that rarely reads into the league but if people remember for the 1st ten of the Semi Final this year we were dominant in possession around midfield. After that little spell and without much scores to show from it the game changed.
Dublin wised up and went the short kick out route and grabbed a goal down the flanks by Mannion. From that point we were never in the game and some heads were probably more focused on Galway.
Interestingly though for the dominant period we had no one apart from Mickey C to win ball. As muppet says Sunday's inside forward line for us is key.
2 things that happened in that league game won't happen on Sunday. Dublin won't get as much from the short kick out route and we will make use of our possession better with the Sunday line-up.
However, I fully expect the Dubs to have worked on breaking ball and expect specifically that MDMC and COS to have worked on the breaking ball and therefore I think the biggest and most important aspect is midfield on Sunday and winning the dirty ball. Seamie had a stormer against Galway and I'm expecting the same on Sunday. With the 2 Dublin lads tied up around midfield and hopefully starved of primary possession it should swing momentum in this match our way early on.
I've us by 4 at least.
Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2013, 11:46:30 PM
Recent Mayo and Dublin games, even in the league, tend to be roller coasters. One team gets on top and scores heavily and then it reverses completely. 2006 & 2012 were both like that. Dublin's game versus Kerry suggests they won't do anything to avoid that sort of game so the question is, will we?
I expect Davy Fitz style hell for leather from Mayo from the throw in.
I think it will be our highest intensity yet, even higher than Galway or Donegal.
Dublin are obviously better than those two, but if the scores come for us with the work rate we will be really motoring. Given the above comment about roller coaster matches, even if we do get ahead, we know the Dubs can score quickly when they get their tails up. They won't quit after 25 minutes like the 2 above. How would we react to a Dublin comeback? Maybe like last year? We had two goal chances to end it last year and I think this year we would take at least one of those. We wouldn't like to be relying on Bernard to miss again.
There is then the issue of McMenamin and Rock coming in, with fresh legs, on players who have played the majority of a highly intensive game. Do we bring on fresh subs in the backs to deal with this? If so who?
Last year I was as hopeful as any Mayo supporter, but I was really concerned about the FF line. Regardless of what happened in the FB line at the start of that match, for me our FF line never got the scores that could have won it for us. Varley never got going, Cillian was bullied out of it at FF and Conroy was the best of the 3, but really only played well for a spell before half time.
This year were have Cillian in the corner, Freeman in form and Andy Moran with a bit to prove, but a chance to remembered forever. I much prefer this trio. We also have Conroy to come in. I think our forwards will be fine.
At the other end I am happier seeing Cunniffe there and Barrett has done well. If anything fails badly early on, bring back Higgins.
Flynn, Kilkenny, Connolly versus our HBs will be some battle. If the Dubs get 2 of these 3 pulling strings high up the pitch we will be in trouble. But we have the 3 to take them on. This contest will be worth the admission alone.
Midfield need to win our ball, which they should and there is Barry Moran if they don't. We will really need to figure out and disrupt Clucko's kick outs early in the game. If we do that we will win. Simple as.
Mayo by 4-6. (mainly because I don't want to be 2 points up watching McMenamin running towards our goal in injury time)
If you kick a lot of ball into COC you're going to lose. There is absolutely no way that injury is healed in 3 weeks. None. I can't see him influencing things hugely beyond free taking.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 20, 2013, 03:20:46 PM
Quote from: Canalman on September 20, 2013, 03:01:59 PM
The confidence of the Mayo people here in Dublin by the way is staggering. Never seen such bravado before a game which I suppose is a relief to the cageyness/ downplaying most counties engage in before big games.
I've gone to school, college and worked beside Mayo people all my life and invariably they fluctuate between being either morbidly pessimistic about their footballers or wildly optimistic to the point of delusion. With not a whole lot of grey area in between. You get used to it. :)
Yeah, they remind me of Galway Hurling fans! :p
Paddy Heaney in the Irish News has Mayo to win.
However at the start of his article he says "Readers are advised to approach this preview with caution. When predicting the winners of All-Ireland football finals, this journalist's success rate is only marginally better than Mayo's."
He finishes with "The famine in Mayo has now entered its 62nd year. But it's going to end. Beaten in six finals, it's hard to escape the hunch that tomorrow's game will prove to be lucky number seven.".
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 21, 2013, 08:25:14 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2013, 11:46:30 PM
Recent Mayo and Dublin games, even in the league, tend to be roller coasters. One team gets on top and scores heavily and then it reverses completely. 2006 & 2012 were both like that. Dublin's game versus Kerry suggests they won't do anything to avoid that sort of game so the question is, will we?
I expect Davy Fitz style hell for leather from Mayo from the throw in.
I think it will be our highest intensity yet, even higher than Galway or Donegal.
Dublin are obviously better than those two, but if the scores come for us with the work rate we will be really motoring. Given the above comment about roller coaster matches, even if we do get ahead, we know the Dubs can score quickly when they get their tails up. They won't quit after 25 minutes like the 2 above. How would we react to a Dublin comeback? Maybe like last year? We had two goal chances to end it last year and I think this year we would take at least one of those. We wouldn't like to be relying on Bernard to miss again.
There is then the issue of McMenamin and Rock coming in, with fresh legs, on players who have played the majority of a highly intensive game. Do we bring on fresh subs in the backs to deal with this? If so who?
Last year I was as hopeful as any Mayo supporter, but I was really concerned about the FF line. Regardless of what happened in the FB line at the start of that match, for me our FF line never got the scores that could have won it for us. Varley never got going, Cillian was bullied out of it at FF and Conroy was the best of the 3, but really only played well for a spell before half time.
This year were have Cillian in the corner, Freeman in form and Andy Moran with a bit to prove, but a chance to remembered forever. I much prefer this trio. We also have Conroy to come in. I think our forwards will be fine.
At the other end I am happier seeing Cunniffe there and Barrett has done well. If anything fails badly early on, bring back Higgins.
Flynn, Kilkenny, Connolly versus our HBs will be some battle. If the Dubs get 2 of these 3 pulling strings high up the pitch we will be in trouble. But we have the 3 to take them on. This contest will be worth the admission alone.
Midfield need to win our ball, which they should and there is Barry Moran if they don't. We will really need to figure out and disrupt Clucko's kick outs early in the game. If we do that we will win. Simple as.
Mayo by 4-6. (mainly because I don't want to be 2 points up watching McMenamin running towards our goal in injury time)
Good post there muppet....
This team and managment have had a belief and conviction that they will win this match...this belief has been there since the Monday after last years final and they have been proved correct so far...
As supporters if they believe, we should believe....
Mayo by 4.
I bet they have loads of spreadsheets , go fluirseach ar fad.
Looking at the Dublin line up, McMahon in to obviously try and shore up what has been Dublin's weakest line so far this season. Am just wondering if Dublin will continue with the all action style they've stuck with all summer or will they play tighter at the back, and if so how much will this affect their normal game? Similarly with ourselves, will we play the sweeper or back McLoughlin's and Higgins' engines and ability to repeatedly cover back and get forward throughout the 70 mins? I really feel we have to choke up the centre channel from our goal out to the D any time Dublin get on the ball to restrict their goal chances. Would be happy with us restricting them to taking points as I don't think they will dominate us enough on the possession front to score enough points to beat us. If we can do this I can see us creating enough opportunities to win, but we have to take those chances. If we let Dublin in for goals, am not so sure. If we play as well as we can, and I'm talking the Donegal performance + 10% more for the full 70 mins, it'll be Mayo by 2+ points.
Quote from: bucko on September 21, 2013, 01:29:00 PM
Looking at the Dublin line up, McMahon in to obviously try and shore up what has been Dublin's weakest line so far this season. Am just wondering if Dublin will continue with the all action style they've stuck with all summer or will they play tighter at the back, and if so how much will this affect their normal game? Similarly with ourselves, will we play the sweeper or back McLoughlin's and Higgins' engines and ability to repeatedly cover back and get forward throughout the 70 mins? I really feel we have to choke up the centre channel from our goal out to the D any time Dublin get on the ball to restrict their goal chances. Would be happy with us restricting them to taking points as I don't think they will dominate us enough on the possession front to score enough points to beat us. If we can do this I can see us creating enough opportunities to win, but we have to take those chances. If we let Dublin in for goals, am not so sure. If we play as well as we can, and I'm talking the Donegal performance + 10% more for the full 70 mins, it'll be Mayo by 2+ points.
Whose going to score all these points for Mayo?
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2013, 02:05:55 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 21, 2013, 01:29:00 PM
Looking at the Dublin line up, McMahon in to obviously try and shore up what has been Dublin's weakest line so far this season. Am just wondering if Dublin will continue with the all action style they've stuck with all summer or will they play tighter at the back, and if so how much will this affect their normal game? Similarly with ourselves, will we play the sweeper or back McLoughlin's and Higgins' engines and ability to repeatedly cover back and get forward throughout the 70 mins? I really feel we have to choke up the centre channel from our goal out to the D any time Dublin get on the ball to restrict their goal chances. Would be happy with us restricting them to taking points as I don't think they will dominate us enough on the possession front to score enough points to beat us. If we can do this I can see us creating enough opportunities to win, but we have to take those chances. If we let Dublin in for goals, am not so sure. If we play as well as we can, and I'm talking the Donegal performance + 10% more for the full 70 mins, it'll be Mayo by 2+ points.
Whose going to score all these points for Mayo?
We know, yous are the bestest ever.
Quote from: muppet on September 21, 2013, 02:13:49 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2013, 02:05:55 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 21, 2013, 01:29:00 PM
Looking at the Dublin line up, McMahon in to obviously try and shore up what has been Dublin's weakest line so far this season. Am just wondering if Dublin will continue with the all action style they've stuck with all summer or will they play tighter at the back, and if so how much will this affect their normal game? Similarly with ourselves, will we play the sweeper or back McLoughlin's and Higgins' engines and ability to repeatedly cover back and get forward throughout the 70 mins? I really feel we have to choke up the centre channel from our goal out to the D any time Dublin get on the ball to restrict their goal chances. Would be happy with us restricting them to taking points as I don't think they will dominate us enough on the possession front to score enough points to beat us. If we can do this I can see us creating enough opportunities to win, but we have to take those chances. If we let Dublin in for goals, am not so sure. If we play as well as we can, and I'm talking the Donegal performance + 10% more for the full 70 mins, it'll be Mayo by 2+ points.
Whose going to score all these points for Mayo?
We know, yous are the bestest ever.
Not at all but I'm staggered by the Mayo optimism based on the following analysis
Kevin Mc Loughlin- very good hard working wing forward who may score 0-2 a game. Very good player though
Alan Dillon- - your best forward in my eyes who needs a Tour de Force
Keith Higgins- a defender ( a very good one though)
COC- struggling with injury - top player- but carrying a serious structural injury into the game
Freeman - inconsistent. good player but has rarely strung two top performances back to back.
Moran -out of form this season. Fine player but not playing well.
You go on about our defence and we just nod our heads and say totally agree with you. But what about Mayo's forwards?
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2013, 09:16:13 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2013, 11:46:30 PM
Recent Mayo and Dublin games, even in the league, tend to be roller coasters. One team gets on top and scores heavily and then it reverses completely. 2006 & 2012 were both like that. Dublin's game versus Kerry suggests they won't do anything to avoid that sort of game so the question is, will we?
I expect Davy Fitz style hell for leather from Mayo from the throw in.
I think it will be our highest intensity yet, even higher than Galway or Donegal.
Dublin are obviously better than those two, but if the scores come for us with the work rate we will be really motoring. Given the above comment about roller coaster matches, even if we do get ahead, we know the Dubs can score quickly when they get their tails up. They won't quit after 25 minutes like the 2 above. How would we react to a Dublin comeback? Maybe like last year? We had two goal chances to end it last year and I think this year we would take at least one of those. We wouldn't like to be relying on Bernard to miss again.
There is then the issue of McMenamin and Rock coming in, with fresh legs, on players who have played the majority of a highly intensive game. Do we bring on fresh subs in the backs to deal with this? If so who?
Last year I was as hopeful as any Mayo supporter, but I was really concerned about the FF line. Regardless of what happened in the FB line at the start of that match, for me our FF line never got the scores that could have won it for us. Varley never got going, Cillian was bullied out of it at FF and Conroy was the best of the 3, but really only played well for a spell before half time.
This year were have Cillian in the corner, Freeman in form and Andy Moran with a bit to prove, but a chance to remembered forever. I much prefer this trio. We also have Conroy to come in. I think our forwards will be fine.
At the other end I am happier seeing Cunniffe there and Barrett has done well. If anything fails badly early on, bring back Higgins.
Flynn, Kilkenny, Connolly versus our HBs will be some battle. If the Dubs get 2 of these 3 pulling strings high up the pitch we will be in trouble. But we have the 3 to take them on. This contest will be worth the admission alone.
Midfield need to win our ball, which they should and there is Barry Moran if they don't. We will really need to figure out and disrupt Clucko's kick outs early in the game. If we do that we will win. Simple as.
Mayo by 4-6. (mainly because I don't want to be 2 points up watching McMenamin running towards our goal in injury time)
If you kick a lot of ball into COC you're going to lose. There is absolutely no way that injury is healed in 3 weeks. None. I can't see him influencing things hugely beyond free taking.
I dont' think anyone has ever claimed that.
It's an incredible risk to take but all the word I've heard is that it's less shoulders and belts that are the problem and more falling on the ground on it that will dislocate it. A high ball into him could be more dangerous than anything Philly or any Dub player has in mind.
If he managed to stay in the game for 50+ minutes he will have a massive influence on proceedings.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2013, 02:05:55 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 21, 2013, 01:29:00 PM
Looking at the Dublin line up, McMahon in to obviously try and shore up what has been Dublin's weakest line so far this season. Am just wondering if Dublin will continue with the all action style they've stuck with all summer or will they play tighter at the back, and if so how much will this affect their normal game? Similarly with ourselves, will we play the sweeper or back McLoughlin's and Higgins' engines and ability to repeatedly cover back and get forward throughout the 70 mins? I really feel we have to choke up the centre channel from our goal out to the D any time Dublin get on the ball to restrict their goal chances. Would be happy with us restricting them to taking points as I don't think they will dominate us enough on the possession front to score enough points to beat us. If we can do this I can see us creating enough opportunities to win, but we have to take those chances. If we let Dublin in for goals, am not so sure. If we play as well as we can, and I'm talking the Donegal performance + 10% more for the full 70 mins, it'll be Mayo by 2+ points.
Whose going to score all these points for Mayo?
Probably the players who have been scoring them all summer - at a guess.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 21, 2013, 02:29:51 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2013, 02:05:55 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 21, 2013, 01:29:00 PM
Looking at the Dublin line up, McMahon in to obviously try and shore up what has been Dublin's weakest line so far this season. Am just wondering if Dublin will continue with the all action style they've stuck with all summer or will they play tighter at the back, and if so how much will this affect their normal game? Similarly with ourselves, will we play the sweeper or back McLoughlin's and Higgins' engines and ability to repeatedly cover back and get forward throughout the 70 mins? I really feel we have to choke up the centre channel from our goal out to the D any time Dublin get on the ball to restrict their goal chances. Would be happy with us restricting them to taking points as I don't think they will dominate us enough on the possession front to score enough points to beat us. If we can do this I can see us creating enough opportunities to win, but we have to take those chances. If we let Dublin in for goals, am not so sure. If we play as well as we can, and I'm talking the Donegal performance + 10% more for the full 70 mins, it'll be Mayo by 2+ points.
Whose going to score all these points for Mayo?
Probably the players who have been scoring them all summer - at a guess.
;D
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2013, 02:28:51 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 21, 2013, 02:13:49 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2013, 02:05:55 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 21, 2013, 01:29:00 PM
Looking at the Dublin line up, McMahon in to obviously try and shore up what has been Dublin's weakest line so far this season. Am just wondering if Dublin will continue with the all action style they've stuck with all summer or will they play tighter at the back, and if so how much will this affect their normal game? Similarly with ourselves, will we play the sweeper or back McLoughlin's and Higgins' engines and ability to repeatedly cover back and get forward throughout the 70 mins? I really feel we have to choke up the centre channel from our goal out to the D any time Dublin get on the ball to restrict their goal chances. Would be happy with us restricting them to taking points as I don't think they will dominate us enough on the possession front to score enough points to beat us. If we can do this I can see us creating enough opportunities to win, but we have to take those chances. If we let Dublin in for goals, am not so sure. If we play as well as we can, and I'm talking the Donegal performance + 10% more for the full 70 mins, it'll be Mayo by 2+ points.
Whose going to score all these points for Mayo?
We know, yous are the bestest ever.
Not at all but I'm staggered by the Mayo optimism based on the following analysis
Kevin Mc Loughlin- very good hard working wing forward who may score 0-2 a game. Very good player though
Alan Dillon- - your best forward in my eyes who needs a Tour de Force
Keith Higgins- a defender ( a very good one though)
COC- struggling with injury - top player- but carrying a serious structural injury into the game
Freeman - inconsistent. good player but has rarely strung two top performances back to back.
Moran -out of form this season. Fine player but not playing well.
You go on about our defence and we just nod our heads and say totally agree with you. But what about Mayo's forwards?
I agree with you about the forwards, however Vaughan, Keegan and Boyle have scored 2-15 between them coming into this game. It'd be hard not to see them contributing something to the scoreboard tomorrow. We don't necessarily need our forwards to shoulder the whole scoring burden. Re your point about Freeman, IMO he's been our most underrated forward all season. He has consistently improved game by game, if his curve keeps going upwards he may cause more problems than one might think....
Quote from: bucko on September 21, 2013, 02:39:38 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2013, 02:28:51 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 21, 2013, 02:13:49 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2013, 02:05:55 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 21, 2013, 01:29:00 PM
Looking at the Dublin line up, McMahon in to obviously try and shore up what has been Dublin's weakest line so far this season. Am just wondering if Dublin will continue with the all action style they've stuck with all summer or will they play tighter at the back, and if so how much will this affect their normal game? Similarly with ourselves, will we play the sweeper or back McLoughlin's and Higgins' engines and ability to repeatedly cover back and get forward throughout the 70 mins? I really feel we have to choke up the centre channel from our goal out to the D any time Dublin get on the ball to restrict their goal chances. Would be happy with us restricting them to taking points as I don't think they will dominate us enough on the possession front to score enough points to beat us. If we can do this I can see us creating enough opportunities to win, but we have to take those chances. If we let Dublin in for goals, am not so sure. If we play as well as we can, and I'm talking the Donegal performance + 10% more for the full 70 mins, it'll be Mayo by 2+ points.
Whose going to score all these points for Mayo?
We know, yous are the bestest ever.
Not at all but I'm staggered by the Mayo optimism based on the following analysis
Kevin Mc Loughlin- very good hard working wing forward who may score 0-2 a game. Very good player though
Alan Dillon- - your best forward in my eyes who needs a Tour de Force
Keith Higgins- a defender ( a very good one though)
COC- struggling with injury - top player- but carrying a serious structural injury into the game
Freeman - inconsistent. good player but has rarely strung two top performances back to back.
Moran -out of form this season. Fine player but not playing well.
You go on about our defence and we just nod our heads and say totally agree with you. But what about Mayo's forwards?
I agree with you about the forwards, however Vaughan, Keegan and Boyle have scored 2-15 between them coming into this game. It'd be hard not to see them contributing something to the scoreboard tomorrow. We don't necessarily need our forwards to shoulder the whole scoring burden. Re your point about Freeman, IMO he's been our most underrated forward all season. He has consistently improved game by game, if his curve keeps going upwards he may cause more problems than one might think....
Mayo's defence is definitely a good bit better then ours. Stronger at midfield too but honestly I don't believe your forwards are in our forwards league.
You'll need 70% posession to win tomorrow. We don't. So midfield will decide the game.
Freeman has been very consistent this season. One more top-drawer performance will make him a serious contender for an All-Star.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2013, 10:00:33 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 20, 2013, 03:20:46 PM
Quote from: Canalman on September 20, 2013, 03:01:59 PM
The confidence of the Mayo people here in Dublin by the way is staggering. Never seen such bravado before a game which I suppose is a relief to the cageyness/ downplaying most counties engage in before big games.
I've gone to school, college and worked beside Mayo people all my life and invariably they fluctuate between being either morbidly pessimistic about their footballers or wildly optimistic to the point of delusion. With not a whole lot of grey area in between. You get used to it. :)
Yeah, they remind me of Galway Hurling fans! :p
If you knew Galway hurling supporters believe me, optimism is not a trait I would ever associate with them. Simmering anger and fatalism would be more like it.
Playing very well and leading at half-time in last year's All-Ireland a lad from Gort sat beside me leaned over to me and said "watch them f**k this up now in the second half". ;D
I think its the season for rhubarb
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2013, 02:44:27 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 21, 2013, 02:39:38 PM
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Quote from: bucko on September 21, 2013, 01:29:00 PM
Looking at the Dublin line up, McMahon in to obviously try and shore up what has been Dublin's weakest line so far this season. Am just wondering if Dublin will continue with the all action style they've stuck with all summer or will they play tighter at the back, and if so how much will this affect their normal game? Similarly with ourselves, will we play the sweeper or back McLoughlin's and Higgins' engines and ability to repeatedly cover back and get forward throughout the 70 mins? I really feel we have to choke up the centre channel from our goal out to the D any time Dublin get on the ball to restrict their goal chances. Would be happy with us restricting them to taking points as I don't think they will dominate us enough on the possession front to score enough points to beat us. If we can do this I can see us creating enough opportunities to win, but we have to take those chances. If we let Dublin in for goals, am not so sure. If we play as well as we can, and I'm talking the Donegal performance + 10% more for the full 70 mins, it'll be Mayo by 2+ points.
Whose going to score all these points for Mayo?
We know, yous are the bestest ever.
Not at all but I'm staggered by the Mayo optimism based on the following analysis
Kevin Mc Loughlin- very good hard working wing forward who may score 0-2 a game. Very good player though
Alan Dillon- - your best forward in my eyes who needs a Tour de Force
Keith Higgins- a defender ( a very good one though)
COC- struggling with injury - top player- but carrying a serious structural injury into the game
Freeman - inconsistent. good player but has rarely strung two top performances back to back.
Moran -out of form this season. Fine player but not playing well.
You go on about our defence and we just nod our heads and say totally agree with you. But what about Mayo's forwards?
I agree with you about the forwards, however Vaughan, Keegan and Boyle have scored 2-15 between them coming into this game. It'd be hard not to see them contributing something to the scoreboard tomorrow. We don't necessarily need our forwards to shoulder the whole scoring burden. Re your point about Freeman, IMO he's been our most underrated forward all season. He has consistently improved game by game, if his curve keeps going upwards he may cause more problems than one might think....
Mayo's defence is definitely a good bit better then ours. Stronger at midfield too but honestly I don't believe your forwards are in our forwards league.
You'll need 70% posession to win tomorrow. We don't. So midfield will decide the game.
Fair point. It's well known what your forwards are capable off, and they've all performed at one stage or another this year. We know what Andy, Alan and Cillian are possibly capable of, but as you rightly point out there are questions marks in form (Andy), consistency (Alan, tho I disagree with you here, I think he's been our most improved forward this year) and injury (Cillian). However if these guys produce something and Cillian stays on the pitch for the 70, 55-60% possession will do the job.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2013, 02:44:27 PM
I don't believe your forwards are in our forwards league.
I would agree however when looking at what both have scored in this years championship i think Mayos forwards have been underrated.
Dublin
Bernard Brogan..........1-16
Paul Mannion..............3-6
Ciarán Kilkenny..........0-11
Diarmuid Connolly.......1-8
Dean Rock.....................0-10
Paul Flynn.................. ..1-6
Eoghan O'Gara............2-2
Paddy Andrews............1-5
Mayo
Cillian O'Connor.....6-14
Alan Freeman..........2-12
Kevin McLoughlin..0-10
Enda Varley.............1-6
Alan Dillon..............0-7
Darren Coen............1-3
Andy Moran............1-3
Cathal Carolan........1-1
Excellent stuff from Keith Duggan and Eoin Butler in todays Times.
Best of luck to Mayo. You deserve it .... not just for all the AIF defeats of the last 15 years but because you've a fine team led by an intelligent manager that bounced back & improved immensely from the disappoint of last year's final.
That being said I've nothing against the Dubs and their current team is very attractive to watch. They definitely have the edge on Mayo in their more naturally scoring forwards and their excellent bench.
However the scoring workload on this Mayo side has been shared out all year and they've still put up big scores. They've a better midfield than Dublin and have the pace to match them. I also think they are more physical also and can set up better defensively when required during the match.
This is the match all neutrals wanted. Really looking forward to see the two best and most exciting teams in the country go head to head for the ultimate prize. Mayo by 2pt.
Connacht ABU!
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2013, 02:44:27 PM
I don't believe your forwards are in our forwards league.
I would agree however when looking at what both have scored in this years championship i think Mayos forwards have been underrated.
Dublin
Bernard Brogan..........1-16
Paul Mannion..............3-6
Ciarán Kilkenny..........0-11
Diarmuid Connolly.......1-8
Dean Rock.....................0-10
Paul Flynn.................. ..1-6
Eoghan O'Gara............2-2
Paddy Andrews............1-5
Mayo
Cillian O'Connor.....6-14
Alan Freeman..........2-12
Kevin McLoughlin..0-10
Enda Varley.............1-6
Alan Dillon..............0-7
Darren Coen............1-3
Andy Moran............1-3
Cathal Carolan........1-1
Well ;D
How many extra games had Dublin to score this?
Those 8 v 8 players, Dublin 9 goals, Mayo 12 goals. So what is all the rubbish people are talking about goals when for every 3 Dublin score, Mayo score 4.
Like Clint Eastwood said in Unforgiven, "Deserves got nuthin to do with it."
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 21, 2013, 05:51:50 PM
How many extra games had Dublin to score this?
Both have played five games.
Mayo - Galway,Roscommon,London,Donegal,Tyrone
Dublin - Westmeath,Kildare,Meath,Cork,Kerry
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2013, 05:54:24 PM
Like Clint Eastwood said in Unforgiven, "Deserves got nuthin to do with it."
Munny is gunna clean up that dirty old town.
It's nearly time lads.
Hopefully the best team on the day will win decisively (not necessarily by a big score). What we don't need is that the losing team should feel that they left it behind them.
Good luck to both teams and their supporters.
;)
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 21, 2013, 06:53:16 PM
It's nearly time lads.
Hopefully the best team on the day will win decisively (not necessarily by a big score). What we don't need is that the losing team should feel that they left it behind them.
Good luck to both teams and their supporters.
;)
Agreed.
To the winners the plaudits and no need to kick the other team. As Paul Brady said, 'we've had too much of that before'.
Quote from: muppet on September 21, 2013, 06:56:26 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 21, 2013, 06:53:16 PM
It's nearly time lads.
Hopefully the best team on the day will win decisively (not necessarily by a big score). What we don't need is that the losing team should feel that they left it behind them.
Good luck to both teams and their supporters.
;)
here here ! Gracious in victory and defeat and best of luck to one of the most important players - the ref .
Safe journey to all travelling up. Take your time and arrive alive .
Up the dubs
Agreed.
To the winners the plaudits and no need to kick the other team. As Paul Brady said, 'we've had to0 much of that before'.
As a neutral I hope it's a free flowing classic with plenty of attacking football and goals. I really hope that Mayo can do it but if Dublin display the same panache and flair that they have all summer I don't think Mayo will be fit to stay with them for 70 mins.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2013, 05:33:39 PM
Excellent stuff from Keith Duggan and Eoin Butler in todays Times.
Very interesting piece on Jim Gavin as well by Malachy Clerkin.
Well here we go......
I'm never confident before a Dubs game but I just feel that this Dublin team's main quality, despite the acres of newsprint devoted to their "pure" footballing virtues, is their character. In each of their games so far, they have been presented with different challenges - a bad start against Kildare, a full blooded physical challenge from Meath, a Cork side who deliberately targeted our perceived weakest line, and a Kerry side that defied the odds and the ages to fully vindicate their footballing tradition and still ended up the wrong side of a 7 point scoreline - and they have reacted calmly, with no hint of panic and merely trusted in themselves and their plan all the more. They up the pace, they adjust where needed and they remain unified.
I'm not going to go into the relativisim of the form line - but I simply don't think that Mayo have faced challenges of that proportion this year, and that gives the Dubs a real advantage.
It has been brilliant this week to read some of the articles on the history of Mayo football, its triumph and tragedy, but the flip side of that characterisation is the swaggering Dubs, cocky and arrogant, the black hats barging through the swing doors facing the oppressed farmer who might just get mad enough to throw down his scythe and pick up a gun. But the truth of football in Dublin since 1983, is that our nightmare is never far away, the insecurity that lurks underneath the bravado, the years that we wondered why anyone would think that playing against us was a big deal, when it was clear we were well below the standard required. I remember finally after the horrible sequence of 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009 saying to my brother that the only consistent thing about Dublin was that each year they found a new way to f#'@k it up outside Leinster.
2011 was necessary to put the steel back in our soul - to remind ourselves that for all the swagger we were also the county that produced Sean Doherty, Gay O'Driscoll, Pat O'Neill, Tommy Drumm, Brian Mullins, Gerry Hargan, Mick Holden, Mick Kennedy, Dave Foran, Paddy Moran, Keith Barr, Eamon Heery - as P Sé would say, "pyschopaths - in the best possible sense of the world".
That steel has not gone away, despite the talk this year of a porous full back line etc - Rory O'Carroll is a genuine traditional full back, one of the best, if not the best on his day, in the country (Ger Cafferky i would rate along side him). If he plays well, and if Philly Mac brings some of the intensity that his forebears above brought, then there is no need for system adjustment - these guys will back themselves man to man.
And as for our forwards and midfield - for all the deficiencies that people have said that the O'Shea brothers will expose, I fully expect us to break even here, on the principle that MDM and COS will know for us to win they will have to attack Mayo's strongest unit - something they have done all year. And our forwards, despite the wastefulness that they can be guilty of, never vary from the plan and never cease to back themselves. I'm thinking of unsung guys like Paddy Andrews, who gradully grew into the game on the 40 against Kerry, until he was doing a very passable Alan Brogan impersonation. And what about Berno Brogan, who ended up for one of the first times this year doing a very passable Bernard Brogan impersonation? Or Paul Mannion,who had a quiet game, yet whose first half finish was both important and absolutely deadly. And the subs who can roll on, with an incredible selfless focus, putting aside their own ambition, elevating the team always.
I'm sure every Mayo fan feels the same about his/her own team - I'm sure the same arguments can be cogently made from the opposite end of the pitch. Which is why I feel tomorrow should be a classic.
But it doesn't change the fact that we had our own cycle of despair to break, and this team feels like it both honours and transcends our past - we're playing in a different way now, when empty swagger mutates into confidence, when entitlement becomes justified, and when the past is no longer a millstone on the present.
If Mayo win, i hope they will feel the same way, their demons consigned to history. But either way, with two young teams competing at the very top of a game they have transformed this summer, I think the next few years might compare to the best of times witnessed before.
Good luck to all the players and to everyone lucky enough to have a ticket. i'll be watching at home with my two year old boy, who already knows how to wave a fist and shout "Up The Dubs!"
Cannot wait!
And they say that everyone wants Mayo to win ......... :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91G3dFLURo4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
After a slow start flags and bunting all on display in the GAA heartlands of the city and county.
Had a laugh reading the Cork Examiner today when they were doing the stats for the year for both teams in the final. One stat I had never seen before was "Games played at home". They can't help putting the digs in can they.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 21, 2013, 08:06:38 PM
And they say that everyone wants Mayo to win ......... :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91G3dFLURo4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Last year the did Mayo and Donegal, this year they did Mayo and Dublin, try to keep up.
Quote from: Canalman on September 21, 2013, 09:20:49 PM
After a slow start flags and bunting all on display in the GAA heartlands of the city and county.
Had a laugh reading the Cork Examiner today when they were doing the stats for the year for both teams in the final. One stat I had never seen before was "Games played at home". They can't help putting the digs in can they.
They are damn right. If this is a draw it should be replayed in McHale Park with no tickets allocated to neutrals.
Best of luck Buckos ...................Dublin 2-14 Mayo 1-12
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The confidence of the Mayo people here in Dublin by the way is staggering. Never seen such bravado before a game which I suppose is a relief to the cageyness/ downplaying most counties engage in before big games.
I've gone to school, college and worked beside Mayo people all my life and invariably they fluctuate between being either morbidly pessimistic about their footballers or wildly optimistic to the point of delusion. With not a whole lot of grey area in between. You get used to it. :)
Yeah, they remind me of Galway Hurling fans! :p
If you knew Galway hurling supporters believe me, optimism is not a trait I would ever associate with them. Simmering anger and fatalism would be more like it.Playing very well and leading at half-time in last year's All-Ireland a lad from Gort sat beside me leaned over to me and said "watch them f**k this up now in the second half". ;D
That s the Mayo supporter I know and love. Anyone that isn't is either a kid or in denial.
Maybe neutrals get the classic some anticipate, but I expect for many Mayo supporters like me only the result counts. The match itself is something to be endured before we learn our fate. Unfortunately our experiences down the years in final has diminished the AI final experience to this. Win or bust. A 1 point loss as bad as anything that has happened in the past.
a bit like getting the results of a serious medical test. Outright relief and joy or utter devestation depending on the result. There can be no in between.
After going with Mayo all along, i have decided to go with a draw tomorrorw
I expect a lot of cynical play tomorrow but of course none of it will be mentioned unless Tyrone minors are involved.
Best of luck to both teams- hope its a good game. May the best team win.
Have an inkling its Mayo's year . But we'll see
Good luck to all 4 teams. Believe Mayo are the better of two top notch teams playing in the senior game. Hope its a classic, with Mayo coming out on top.
From what i seen the last day, it likely be the tyrone minors doing it
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 21, 2013, 10:47:24 PM
From what i seen the last day, it likely be the tyrone minors doing it
You weren't wearing a blindfold by any chance?
Quote from: easytiger95 on September 21, 2013, 07:16:12 PM
And as for our forwards and midfield - for all the deficiencies that people have said that the O'Shea brothers will expose, I fully expect us to break even here, on the principle that MDM and COS will know for us to win they will have to attack Mayo's strongest unit - something they have done all year.
Dublin completely destroyed Mayo on kickouts in last year's semi-final, they won probably at least 70% of them, and that was with a starting midfield of Eamonn Fennell and Denis Bastick. But there was a malaise running through the Dublin team from open play for most of the match and thus Dublin lost.
If anything similar happens again at midfield tomorrow the result will be very different.
The very best of luck to everyone tomorrow. I really hope that Mayo can do it this year And win sam.I think Tyrone can make it to our ninth title.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 21, 2013, 10:46:59 PM
Good luck to all 4 teams. Believe Mayo are the better of two top notch teams playing in the senior game. Hope its a classic, with Mayo coming out on top.
i don't care if it is a classic as long as Mayo are on top at the final whistle. Ta an spriochla tagtha.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2013, 10:41:45 PM
Best of luck to both teams- hope its a good game. May the best team win.
Have an inkling its Mayo's year . But we'll see
Hope you re right INDIANA. I really think we ll have to do something special to win.
Best Dublin team since the 70s I could argue, so we have it all to do. This Mayo team is used to playing in Dublin so ......
Not like in the old days when provincial winners from Connacht or Ulster maybe had one or two cuts at Croke Park in a generation. Still think CP is an advantage to the Dubs but that s the way it is and that has to be factored in.
Predictions;
* Mayo to explode out of the blocks and reproduce the best of their earlier rounds on a 'best of album' display and win. Unlikely but optimum - for a Mayo fan.
* Dublin to win a classic by 1/2/3. Worst possibly result for Mayo. Probably most like result but too awful to contemplate. Worse possible scenario. Like beaten by a sprint finish after a marathon.
* Dublin to score heavily and often - scoring all the goals they should have done earlier in the year against opposition that got lucky. Possibly the most likely result. Mayo will be accused of 'shitting the nest' again. Mayo then have to endure 12 months of ridicule until we re back for the 3 in a row next September. Could happen.
Mayo ain't coming back next year if they lose this one. It'll take some time to pick up the pieces if all this work again bares no fruit.
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Quote from: easytiger95 on September 21, 2013, 07:16:12 PM
And as for our forwards and midfield - for all the deficiencies that people have said that the O'Shea brothers will expose, I fully expect us to break even here, on the principle that MDM and COS will know for us to win they will have to attack Mayo's strongest unit - something they have done all year.
Dublin completely destroyed Mayo on kickouts in last year's semi-final, they won probably at least 70% of them, and that was with a starting midfield of Eamonn Fennell and Denis Bastick. But there was a malaise running through the Dublin team from open play for most of the match and thus Dublin lost.
If anything similar happens again at midfield tomorrow the result will be very different.
How many times do we have to beat you before you realise the Dublin team getting beat was not the better team on the day and not in that season.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 22, 2013, 01:30:43 AM
Quote from: Sidney on September 21, 2013, 11:53:27 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on September 21, 2013, 07:16:12 PM
And as for our forwards and midfield - for all the deficiencies that people have said that the O'Shea brothers will expose, I fully expect us to break even here, on the principle that MDM and COS will know for us to win they will have to attack Mayo's strongest unit - something they have done all year.
Dublin completely destroyed Mayo on kickouts in last year's semi-final, they won probably at least 70% of them, and that was with a starting midfield of Eamonn Fennell and Denis Bastick. But there was a malaise running through the Dublin team from open play for most of the match and thus Dublin lost.
If anything similar happens again at midfield tomorrow the result will be very different.
How many times do we have to beat you before you realise the Dublin team getting beat was not the better team on the day and not in that season.
I dunno. more than twice in 26 years?
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 22, 2013, 01:30:43 AM
Quote from: Sidney on September 21, 2013, 11:53:27 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on September 21, 2013, 07:16:12 PM
And as for our forwards and midfield - for all the deficiencies that people have said that the O'Shea brothers will expose, I fully expect us to break even here, on the principle that MDM and COS will know for us to win they will have to attack Mayo's strongest unit - something they have done all year.
Dublin completely destroyed Mayo on kickouts in last year's semi-final, they won probably at least 70% of them, and that was with a starting midfield of Eamonn Fennell and Denis Bastick. But there was a malaise running through the Dublin team from open play for most of the match and thus Dublin lost.
If anything similar happens again at midfield tomorrow the result will be very different.
How many times do we have to beat you before you realise the Dublin team getting beat was not the better team on the day and not in that season.
I dunno. more than twice in 26 years?
So how many players from 1985 on this Dublin team? We are talking championship are we not?
How many from 2006? Just not sure what your "how many times" point is.
Good luck, Mayo. You carry the soul and hopes of the people of Ireland.
The skanger Dubs boo Enda whenever he appears on the big screen in Croke Park. But Enda is a proper GAA man, a proper Mayo man, a proper Connacht man , and a proper Irishman. The skanger Dubs want to see the architect of the downfall of our country, De Bert, begin his media rehabilitation and be seen in the Ard Comhairle alongside Stephen Cluxton collecting Sam. But De Bert is more of a 'Man Yoo man than a Gael.
Mayo: You are not just playing for your county. You are playing for our country.
C'mon Mayo. C'mon Ireland.
Erin go bráigh.
With all the women he's had, you'd wonder why Dirk Digler has to be such a w.an.ker.
Best of luck to all players and fans today. Here's to the best sporting day on the calendar... And a tyrone win as well.
Travel safe!
5:30pm, thrown in still hours away. Looking forward to both games and having devoured all the 'expert' analysis and re-watched both semi finals it's apparent that nobody really has a fecking clue about which way the Senior final will go.
Hoping, Hoping, Hoping that the lads have enough within themselves to get this over the line.
Best of luck to Mayo.
Good Luck Mayo
Strange headline on Indo's front page: "No room for cynicism in a final made for purists".
The article then lazily references pure football not puke football and no blanket defence today.
Once again the effect of Brolly's 3rd August rant permeating in people's minds.
Best of luck to both teams hope everyone got tickets and I'm not on the fence today
Hon Mayo to f**k
Leaving shortly to head down the road, looking forward to what should be a great occasion.
Best of luck to both teams really lookin forward to it now
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 22, 2013, 09:24:18 AM
Strange headline on Indo's front page: "No room for cynicism in a final made for purists".
The article then lazily references pure football not puke football and no blanket defence today.
Once again the effect of Brolly's 3rd August rant permeating in people's minds.
Bandwagons are very seductive.
But you are all invited aboard ours.
First pre-match in a while without beer. Didn't sleep a wink.
C'mon Mayo.
best of luck to the Dubs today.
If ever a final was 31 v 1 today is it.
But no bother nothing we haven't faced before.
I'll be off the radar for a few days win or loose I'd say.
Best of luck Mayo Minors and Seniors today.
Until Victory Always.
Just met Darren Fletcher outside croker....legend of a man!
Ye feckers better get it done this time.
Probably no county in history has experienced as many false dawns in such a compressed period of time and it's creditable that you've dusted yourself down after so many losses on the big stage but until you actually win it you will be nothing more than the beautiful losers.
If the game comes down to the final ten, five, three, injury time, the pressure will be more immense than it has ever been before for Mayo. This isn't a team that are hoping they can win Sam, they are a team that know they can win it. A loss here does more damage than many of the other finals because it will have been a great opportunity lost. The stakes have never been higher for Mayo.
If Mayo don't buckle today will live long in the memory of GAA folklore.
I sincerely hope today is the day Sam returns to Mayo and to Connacht.
Tick tock.....should be some game! Now wheres thon bacon :-)
Good luck to Mayo this afternoon...hoping for a great game and no major controversy.
Heart says Mayo, head says Dublin. May the best team win.
Oh the green and red of Mayo..... Listening to the build up on Mid-west radio. Mayo must have more GAA songs than any other county. Best of luck to them today. I put money on Dublin to win the All-Ireland at 13/10 after the Cork game, but I'd prefer to see Mayo do it. I fear Dublin's goal threat though and the head still says Dublin.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2013, 10:12:50 AM
best of luck to the Dubs today.
If ever a final was 31 v 1 today is it.
But no bother nothing we haven't faced before.
Welcome to the Club.
Looking forward to this game more than any other outside of my own county's participation, hoping for all out attack. Very neutral on this one, will take the side of whom I feel is more deserving as the game progresses.
Quote from: Seamus on September 22, 2013, 12:07:39 PM
Welcome to the Club.
Looking forward to this game more than any other outside of my own county's participation, hoping for all out attack. Very neutral on this one, will take the side of whom I feel is more deserving as the game progresses.
Like a Roman Emperor in the Colosseum. :D
Don't like either county but still would prefer a Mayo win because they haven't been bought All Irelands. Will be a huge embarrassment for Dublin if they don't win.
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 22, 2013, 12:24:47 PM
Don't like either county but still would prefer a Mayo win
+1 - Lesser of two evils.
However Dublin have been playing a great brand of football and it would be great for the game overall to see that type of team being successful - if it could only be done without all the media sh1te that will inevitably accompany it.
One thing in mayo's favour is that the dubs do an awful lot of foostering to win an all ireland. They have 2 post 1983. 95 was 4 years gestating and it looked for a while as though charlie redmond would never win it. The 2011 win followed a meitheal of Leinster championship wins. Dublin might have more confidence than mayo in a tight last 5 minutes but I wouldn't rule out a dose of the yips either.
Its looking like Hill 16 is Mayo Only at the moment.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 22, 2013, 02:05:28 PM
Its looking like Hill 16 is Mayo Only at the moment.
Be careful, Dublin scum wont like that. I expect plenty of trouble on the Hill.
Could the Dubs be outnumbered in Croke Park? Best of luck to both teams, no one could begrudge Mayo an all Ireland.
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 22, 2013, 02:23:34 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 22, 2013, 02:05:28 PM
Its looking like Hill 16 is Mayo Only at the moment.
Be careful, Dublin scum wont like that. I expect plenty of trouble on the Hill.
You are the one who sounds like a sc**bag
Martin Carneys first words of the day
"Very much so" ;D
Going Mayo -2 at 11/5
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 22, 2013, 02:05:28 PM
Its looking like Hill 16 is Mayo Only at the moment.
Be careful, Dublin scum wont like that. I expect plenty of trouble on the Hill.
You are the one who sounds like a sc**bag
Lads calm down, lay off insuting each other.
I'm thinking mayo by 3 or 4. Couldn't make up my mind all week.
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 22, 2013, 02:23:34 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 22, 2013, 02:05:28 PM
Its looking like Hill 16 is Mayo Only at the moment.
Be careful, Dublin scum wont like that. I expect plenty of trouble on the Hill.
Mon lad, its AIF day, refrain from being a pollution for one day :-)
Cracking weather, here's hoping for a game to match.
Goose pimple inducing tension and that was just the minutes in the build-up before the ball was thrown in.
well well Mayo have turned up, need stop hitting wides though
Ref dradyul towards Dublin so far which was what I feared.
Gifting handy frees to mayo but more wirryingly, Dublin players not getting v obv frees
Mayo much the better so far should be further ahead.
Keeper should have stayed his ground and let the fullback compete for that one
How does Canning get commentating duty for an AI final. Commentary riddled with mistakes.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 22, 2013, 03:40:26 PM
Ref dradyul towards Dublin so far which was what I feared.
Gifting handy frees to mayo but more wirryingly, Dublin players not getting v obv frees
The Dubs are fouling, they are cynical to at times, one free he picked it clean off the deck the other free the Mayo lad was being held back. Games going like I said Mayo fast out of the blocks and playing the better football, Dubs back into now
Freeman wasnt even fouled there, how the ref blow the free there, he was through on goal
Mayo have a serious half back line
Mayo much the better team, hopefully they can power on.
Mayo getting quite a few soft frees in amongst the legitimate ones.
Dubs need to learn how to tackle properly. Gifting the same silly frees to Mayo every time.
Mayo should be 7 or 8 ahead.
At the minute dublin have a lucky goal and a point gifted by the full back, though Mayo kicking far too many wides, oops spoke too quick point by Brogan
there alot of frees to Mayo as the dublin players dont seem to know how to tackle properly at all. Nice to see Andy Moran turned up too
Mayo Keeper just redeemed himself
Mayo 3 up but Dublin seem to be getting through on goal more regularly now over the past 5 minutes.
Dubs have missed some points there with short balls
Dubs have dropped a couple of sitters into the keepers hands.
just too many wides lads!!
7 wides so far for Mayo. Good first half otherwise.
Game is very open but some of the shooting has been poor enough from both sides.
Re having a shocker
Is he not allowed to give a free against mayo or Higgins?
That said the dubs kicking themselves out of it dropping shots. To keepers hands
This is poor enough stuff, a lot of errors! It is intriguing though!
Both sides looking a bit tired already.
another wide by Cluxton. Still 0- 8 to 1-3.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 22, 2013, 04:04:19 PM
Both sides looking a bit tired already.
They looked shagged. Very open second half coming up. There's goals there for Dublin too.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 22, 2013, 04:04:19 PM
Both sides looking a bit tired already.
Yeah both benches will be emptied in the second half
Some poor football by both sides tense
the standard of football is not good, fairly kickable frees are been missed, players kicking alot of bad passes, terrible tackling, i dont want to be hearing, its a classic at half time
Poor stuff. Tyrone '05 or Armagh '05 would have eaten these teams alive.
Dublin can consider themselves very lucky to be only one point behind at half time.
Has to be worst all ireland opening half in years dreadful stuff full of mistakes.
If Mayo had a E bradley, S O`Neil, or C Cooper, they be out of sight, the Mayo full forward is doing very little with all the possession they are getting
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 22, 2013, 04:07:36 PM
Dublin can consider themselves very lucky to be only one point behind at half time.
Dunno really. The Mayo keeper had to make two good saves and they've also dropped about 3 or 4 balls into the keepers hands. On the other side Mayo have hit a fair few wides. Score is about right I feel.
Nervous but compelling stuff. Subbing out Freeman when COC is way off game-speed seems like madness.
Quote from: trileacman on September 22, 2013, 04:07:08 PM
Poor stuff. Tyrone '05 or Armagh '05 would have eaten these teams alive.
Balls
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2013, 04:05:59 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 22, 2013, 04:04:19 PM
Both sides looking a bit tired already.
They looked shagged. Very open second half coming up. There's goals there for Dublin too.
That's just the first wind gone, the pre big match adrenalin levels have sunk.
The players will recover at half time.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 22, 2013, 04:08:01 PM
Has to be worst all ireland opening half in years dreadful stuff full of mistakes.
Worse than Mayo or Cork getting hammered off the pitch, are you joking?
Very scrappy affair, both teams seem riddled with fear. Mayo are very disciplined in their tackling which would explain the high free count in their favour.
I'm expecting a "puke" football or "goobu" like reference from Pat here to describe that first half.
Quote from: trileacman on September 22, 2013, 04:07:08 PM
Poor stuff. Tyrone '05 or Armagh '05 would have eaten these teams alive.
Would ye Ulster bies ever get over yereselves.
Very hot day , lethargic game teams probably stunted by fear as someone said.
all to play for.
Quote from: trileacman on September 22, 2013, 04:07:08 PM
Poor stuff. Tyrone '05 or Armagh '05 would have eaten these teams alive.
I agree .
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2013, 04:14:25 PM
Quote from: trileacman on September 22, 2013, 04:07:08 PM
Poor stuff. Tyrone '05 or Armagh '05 would have eaten these teams alive.
Would ye Ulster bies ever get over yereselves.
Very hot day , lethargic game teams probably stunted by fear as someone said.
all to play for.
Dont be lumping the rest of Ulster in with the bitter Tyronies...they cant help themselves
I thought the Freeman substitution was strange too. He was doing ok - maybe he was injured? Dublin totally on top for the last 15 and I'd be worried for Mayo. As AZ said, Dublin look like scoring more goals. Hopefully Mayo can sort things out at the break.
Very poor standard. Bound to get better.
First half was pretty poor standard you have to admit - hardly a classic so far!
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2013, 04:14:25 PM
Quote from: trileacman on September 22, 2013, 04:07:08 PM
Poor stuff. Tyrone '05 or Armagh '05 would have eaten these teams alive.
Would ye Ulster bies ever get over yereselves.
Very hot day , lethargic game teams probably stunted by fear as someone said.
all to play for.
It's just an observation, universally agreed that it's a poor match so far.
So much for the "pure, free-flowing, high-scoring philosophy of the new Dublin".
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2013, 04:14:25 PM
Quote from: trileacman on September 22, 2013, 04:07:08 PM
Poor stuff. Tyrone '05 or Armagh '05 would have eaten these teams alive.
Would ye Ulster bies ever get over yereselves.
Very hot day , lethargic game teams probably stunted by fear as someone said.
all to play for.
Hot day? Lethargic? It All Ireland final day ffs!! There's all to play for indeed, it's intriguing and we may get a great second half but you can't really make excuses for that first half, especially when these two teams have been hailed as saviours of Gaelic football this past few months.
Is it true that every senior game in Croke park this year was won by the side that shoots into Hill 16 in the second half?
O'Gara has impressed me so much today, won alot of ball in front of his man. He has a real turn of pace for a lanky p***k.
Kilkenny been pretty wasteful today so far.
Super save should have been a Dublin goal.
great save by Hennelly. Dubs ahead by 1
Tyrone / Armagh of 05 would eat them teams alive, Mayo poor full forward line will cost them an all-Ireland
Mayo keeper has made up for the goal anyway. Has made 3 great saves since.
Brilliant goalkeeping - best save yet by hennelly.
Ref still rectant to give frees to Dublin
Mcmenanin would do wreck there against a tiring back line.
Level again
Dublin getting on top. Not much happening up front for mayo.
Dubs by 2
Bleakly ominous for Mayo now.
It's as good as over.
Dubs by 3. Mayo need to score next and get the mojo going again-
momentum with the boys in blue
Poor game, Mayo can't handle finals again, great shame
Rugby tackle from O'Gara there - just as bad as anything I've seen from Tyrone - but probably won't be mentioned by Joe or the rest of the panel.
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2013, 04:37:30 PM
Dubs by 3. Mayo need to score next and get the mojo going again-
Andy moran GOAL gowan gowan
Jays us that was a vital score. Come on mayo.
Goal against the run of play level game.
Andy Moran wasn't listening! ;) All square at 1-09 each!
Quote from: BennyCake on September 22, 2013, 04:37:16 PM
It's as good as over.
I knew that would get Mayo going ;D
Teams always get stretches on top in these matches.
What was Cluxton at for the goal? Game on again.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 22, 2013, 04:40:10 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 22, 2013, 04:37:16 PM
It's as good as over.
yes we know you dont like us
It's nothing to do with liking Mayo. I'm supporting them, but I still don't see them winning it.
Andy you Ballagh legend.
Brogan goal . Dubs by 3
Brogan who else.
mayo need something out of a forward foreby Moran, O`Connor not up to fitness
Another Goal, The Mayo fullback well on top of Brogan yet he has 2.2 to his name
dubs by 2
Seamus O`Shea playing rightly but Aidan O`Shea seems to have disappeared, they may as well bring on Moran and move O`Shea to full forward
Dubs by 3
Thats a shoulder to the head not the shoulder to shoulder
Dubs have emptied the subs bench
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 22, 2013, 04:47:31 PM
Thats a shoulder to the head not the shoulder to shoulder
Bullshit, shoulder to shoulder. If Harte/Cuniffe is a fair shoulder then so is that.
Surprised that Horan took Seamus O'Shea off, thought he has been one of the more effective players for Mayo.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 22, 2013, 04:46:07 PM
Seamus O`Shea playing rightly but Aidan O`Shea seems to have disappeared, they may as well bring on Moran and move O`Shea to full forward
Wrong O'Shea off imo. Mayo have ten minutes to turn this around.
Free and yellow card. Bit of a joke.
harte didnt get hit on the head unlike the Mayo man here
What is Horan at taking O Se off. With Higgins and Moran he has been Mayos best player.
2 points and 9 minutes.
Muppet must be going through the mill.
Keegan and Conroy what a waste
3 points and 6 minutes
some of Mayo subs that come on up front have been fairly poor, All the wides in the first half have come back to haunt mayo, Mayo have a good front 12, but havent the full forward line to win a all-Ireland
Mayo are like 3rd div side today. No full forward line and a few of their big players have not shown up. The o'sheas and Vaughan. Keith higgins has been the best player on the pitch...unreal footballer
2 points and there'll be plenty of added time le cunamh de
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 22, 2013, 04:49:36 PM
Surprised that Horan took Seamus O'Shea off, thought he has been one of the more effective players for Mayo.
I think Horan will come in for a lot of criticism over his substitutions today, unless Mayo win obviously.
3 points in it again
Brogan will get MOTM but it should be Higgins, they needed him up front and in defence today, Dublin have won 2 All-Irelands in 3yrs but the jury still out on them, they will of course get better
Mayo need a goal.
Disappointing
Another rugby tackle can't wait to hear the criticism from the RTE panel.
Horrific cynicism from Dublin there. Horrific, worse than Syria.
3 and a half minutes left
Same old fouling bullshit again, some of them tackles should be red cards next yr
Dublin are being very cynical here alright. But mayo don't deserve it today.
Seamus Darby moment required.
Brutal stuff. If this was a Tyrone v Armagh game then we would have weeks of analysis of how the game has been ruined!
Desperate cynicism by Dublin. Horrible to see a team like that winning it.
There no point everybody going to town on tyrone and Donegal fouling tactics when they are all on view here in the last 5 mins of this game, terrible stuff and a fairly poor game, Roll on the hurling replay
the game up, why he not go for goal christ
This is muck
Last kick of the ball and he takes a point!
Why did he take the point
Poor game with lots of cynical play. Well played by the Dubs - they just about deserved it.
Hard luck Mayo probably lost the game in the first half however the best side won the All Ireland.
Disappointing. Mayo didn't perform on the day, bar Higgins.
Surely oconnor was told there would be time for 1 more attack hence taking the point
Oh Mayo!! Ffs...is it ever gonna happen? Needy bring a marquee forward from somewhere
Heavy hearts in the West today
What the f**k was was he at taking the point with what was really the last kick of the game.
Congrats to Dublin.
'All year their emphasis has been on the positive' did he have his eyes closed the last 5 minutes?
Well done Dublin. Hard luck to the Mayo lads. Heartbreak again. Not easy to take.
Mayo forwards not good enough team with best forwards usually win
Heartbroken, well done Dublin.
Quote from: Cold tea on September 22, 2013, 05:03:55 PM
Last kick of the ball and he takes a point!
Absolutely baffling. Obviously the top scorer award is more important to him than an AI medal.
Congratulations to the Dubs . If I was a Mayo man I would have a contact out on the 3 remaining players of 51.
Mayo choke again. I feel sorry for them to be honest - but at least they won the minor final.
Very disappointing for mayo. 2 12 to 1 14
but the Galway hurlers lost in 85 and 86 before winning in 87 and 88 if it's any consolation
Shocking fouling by Dublin in last few mins - but delighted for Dublin.....
I have no dislike for the dubs at all, but the game is crying out for a mayo like victory to rid a 60 year famine. Feels real anti climax with dubs winning, and yes they were dirty as hell in the last 5 mins.
Actually thought mayo were clueless, think I bought into a lot of hype about them, looking at them today they would have been the most ordinary team to ever win the all Ireland. Like how many top stars gave they got really? O' shea was hardly there.
mayo didnt believe they could win it. dubs were there for the taking.
why on earth did he not have a crack at goal at the end?
Mayo didn't do enough to have any complaints, well deserved by Dublin.
Good kick outs from Cluxton and an amazing nr of goal chances for the Dubs.
Who'd want to be a ref out there?
So Pat reckons that was "entertaining, enjoyable and enthralling"! Jesus wept!!
Quote from: johnpower on September 22, 2013, 05:06:10 PM
Mayo forwards not good enough team with best forwards usually win
+100.
Awful 2nd half by Mayowr but they'd lost their way probably from well before half time.
As usual McQuillan added no time for all that was wasted.
Ger Canning must be the most awful commentator on any Station on any sport.
How long will the speech be ? Sam on a Pizza box
Mayo have a good team up to their half forward line, Dublin good enough to win and could do so much more in yrs to come with their young players coming through. I think tyrone would have given Dublin a stiffer game as they have a great full forward in O`Neill, Hope mayo come back but they need a forward like Murphy , Brogan, Bradley, or cooper if they are to win the all-ireland
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 22, 2013, 05:09:04 PM
So Pat reckons that was "entertaining, enjoyable and enthralling"! Jesus wept!!
Yeah - the saviours of Gaelic football were on show today!
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2013, 05:10:06 PM
Quote from: johnpower on September 22, 2013, 05:06:10 PM
Mayo forwards not good enough team with best forwards usually win
+100.
Awful 2nd half by Mayowr but they'd lost their way probably from well before half time.
As usual McQuillan added no time for all that was wasted.
Ger Canning must be the most awful commentator on any Station on any sport.
i thought the IMF would force him out but they have been very sloppy
Anyone sick of the camera constantly being on Bernard Dunne?!
The sooner Horan realises that top class forwards are what win titles the better for Mayo -
The sourest looking captain ever to receive Sam.
Terrible final.
Mayo didnt choke today, they just didnt have the scoring power there to take it, they played good enough in the 1st half but didnt make their possession count on the scoreboard,
I wonder what it takes to get the dub goalkeepr excited, just another day at the office for him
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2013, 05:10:06 PM
Quote from: johnpower on September 22, 2013, 05:06:10 PM
Mayo forwards not good enough team with best forwards usually win
+100.
Awful 2nd half by Mayowr but they'd lost their way probably from well before half time.
As usual McQuillan added no time for all that was wasted.
Ger Canning must be the most awful commentator on any Station on any sport.
And that fool Carney alongside him. They saw "nothing wrong" with the fontal charge by O'Carroll which he, rightfully, got a yellow card for but the two boys had no idea what it was for. Good grief.
Gutted for all you Mayo fans out there - was sure you'd win it today. You gifted Dublin that one in fairness!!! Your forwards were seriously poor in the second half - beaten to every 50/50 and didn't put their bodies in where it hurt. Dublin played poorly for long, long periods and even Brogan, who'll probably be named man of the match, was below par by his high standards. Why was Seamus O'Shea removed? The other lad was anonymous. Lots of questions - the inquest starts now
Dont think he even lifted the Cup!
How many times can you reach down into the well before there's nothing left? Pretty much no team comes back to the big stage a third time in a row after two AI final defeats.
If Mayo couldn't do it this year when will they? This was the best team they've had since '51 and they still came up short. People will try and put a brave face on it but today is a dark day for the Mayo seniors.
Back to game one.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 22, 2013, 05:12:34 PM
The sooner Horan realises that top class forwards are what win titles the better for Mayo -
Has he got any?
their last few U21 sides were average enough.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 22, 2013, 05:14:40 PM
Mayo didnt choke today, they just didnt have the scoring power there to take it, they played good enough in the 1st half but didnt make their possession count on the scoreboard,
I wonder what it takes to get the dub goalkeepr excited, just another day at the office for him
The forward div choked surely..werent even taking the fight to Dub like they have up until the final
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2013, 05:15:34 PM
Pretty much no team comes back to the big stage a third time in a row after two AI final defeats.
Cork 89. Galway stick bucks in 1987 wasn't it?
Well done to Dublin but that was as poor a quality final I have seen in years. Some of the mistakes made were very school boyish by both sides.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2013, 05:15:44 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 22, 2013, 05:12:34 PM
The sooner Horan realises that top class forwards are what win titles the better for Mayo -
Has he got any?
their last few U21 sides were average enough.
I said during the week Mayo lacked quality forwards needed to win Sam. Until they get a couple of players like a Cooper, Canavan, McConville, Murphy, they'll never win an AI.
You cant choke if your not good enough, and if Mayo had great forwards they would have won. And on another note, i argued way back on the all-star thread, that O`Connor wouldnt get an All-Star for tallying up big scores against lower teams
I'm gutted for mayo and the mayo lads on here and my other mayo friends. Nothing against the Dubs who have been good all year but I'm sure they understand the concept of what's rare is wonderful. I don't know how mayo can come on from this one but they've always come back in fairness to them. I thought Kevin McLoughlin and Alan Dillon were very poor and I thought Horan panicked very quickly in taking off freeman. It was like he couldn't wait to get conroy on.
Anyways the Dubs played great football all year even if the last 15 were cynical enough, but I suppose any team that close to Sam would be tempted to try and kill the game.
Dublin closed the game out. Not a mention of it. Had it been Tyrone it's all they would have talked about.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2013, 05:17:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2013, 05:15:34 PM
Pretty much no team comes back to the big stage a third time in a row after two AI final defeats.
Cork 89. Galway stick bucks in 1987 wasn't it?
Clann walked the road an incredible four times in a row at club level if you want to count that too.
It is very rare and in this era of near-professional commitment it's hard to see where Mayo go in the short term. They won't fall off the face of the map but they are in danger of becoming Kildare on steroids. The rest of Connacht will catch up given time.
Brolly mentioning it now, though getting shouted down
Feel sorry for fellas like Higgins, Cafferkey, Moran S OSe. Aidan O Se went missing again for 2 games in a row but Mayo a very ordinary side in terms of pure individual talent. Yes they are workmanlike and are a great tackling team but they lack any real star scoring forwards. Poor game overall.
Thought McQuillan was terrible. He was punishing Dublin for over aggression in the first half yet let them away with it the second? Refs get a lot of stick but in a lot of cases its justified.
How 4 or 5 men slapping, hauling and dragging someone is not a free I will never know.
Brutal Final with mistakes all over the park. Brogan will get MOM but I though Keith Higgins looked the best player on the field Today.
How is Johnny Cooper? Did not see him celebrating
Huge mistake taking off freeman and putting on conroy. Mayo could of done with mortimer today...
Mayo should of been out of sight after 20 mins, bad wides and turnovers and dublin weren't in the game, finding it very hard to work the ball out of defence,
Dublin were comfortable after that but still made hard work of it, strange game...well done dublin, comiserations to mayo and the lads on here, what can you say....
Not a mention of the cynical fouling by the RTE panel - obviously know whose paying their wages and don't want to lose their jobs. Just listening to the panel talking about the Dublin flare and expansive play, they play football the right way! - DOUBLE STANDARDS I don't know about puke football but I've definitely heard plenty of puke commentating.
Quote from: guevara on September 22, 2013, 05:25:16 PM
Thought McQuillan was terrible. He was punishing Dublin for over aggression in the first half yet let them away with it the second? Refs get a lot of stick but in a lot of cases its justified.
How 4 or 5 men slapping, hauling and dragging someone is not a free I will never know.
Brutal Final with mistakes all over the park. Brogan will get MOM but I though Keith Higgins looked the best player on the field Today.
Not a great performance injury time looked light
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2013, 05:23:47 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2013, 05:17:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2013, 05:15:34 PM
Pretty much no team comes back to the big stage a third time in a row after two AI final defeats.
Cork 89. Galway stick bucks in 1987 wasn't it?
Clann walked the road an incredible four times in a row at club level if you want to count that too.
The rest of Connacht will catch up given time.
Probably but I can't see ourselves catching them next year anyway. Might still be a year too early. Hopefully by 2015 though. Still firm favourites for Connacht next year.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 22, 2013, 05:05:18 PM
Disappointing. Mayo didn't perform on the day, bar Higgins.
In fairness their goalkeeper saved at least three goals.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 22, 2013, 05:29:29 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 22, 2013, 05:05:18 PM
Disappointing. Mayo didn't perform on the day, bar Higgins.
In fairness their goalkeeper saved at least three goals.
I think there were 3 clear goal chances, not taken or saved point blank.
There are some good reasons why Mayo didn't perform on the day, Dublin outplayed them and a very disappointing response by Mayo once Dublin scored their 2nd goal, when some of the Mayo decision making was frustratingly poor, as if they were punch drunk.
Was extremely worried before the first goal, knew Dublin would win after that. It completely deflated both the Mayo team and the fans, even O'Shea's quick point afterwards couldn't bring back the swagger Mayo had before that goal went in.
Can any of the bitters complaining about cynical fouling towards the end can honestly say that their counties wouldn't have done the same thing? I can guarantee that Matyo would have done the exact same to the Dublin players had they been leading towards the end.
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2013, 05:23:47 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2013, 05:17:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2013, 05:15:34 PM
Pretty much no team comes back to the big stage a third time in a row after two AI final defeats.
Cork 89. Galway stick bucks in 1987 wasn't it?
Clann walked the road an incredible four times in a row at club level if you want to count that too.
It is very rare and in this era of near-professional commitment it's hard to see where Mayo go in the short term. They won't fall off the face of the map but they are in danger of becoming Kildare on steroids. The rest of Connacht will catch up given time.
Galway need more time. Mayo will be back in the qfs next year. O connor and andy moran will be fit....Sam will be up for grabs too. Da fhad i an la tagann an trathnona.
Not a classic but the best team won. Tough on Mayo to lose and I don't think they played to their potential on the day. Daft to write them off though, still have some excellent players with plenty of miles left on the clock.
Congratulations to Dublin. One defeat all season and the league and Sam in the bag, you can't argue with that.
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2013, 05:40:09 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2013, 05:23:47 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2013, 05:17:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2013, 05:15:34 PM
Pretty much no team comes back to the big stage a third time in a row after two AI final defeats.
Cork 89. Galway stick bucks in 1987 wasn't it?
Clann walked the road an incredible four times in a row at club level if you want to count that too.
It is very rare and in this era of near-professional commitment it's hard to see where Mayo go in the short term. They won't fall off the face of the map but they are in danger of becoming Kildare on steroids. The rest of Connacht will catch up given time.
Galway need more time. Mayo will be back in the qfs next year. O connor and andy moran will be fit....Sam will be up for grabs too. Da fhad i an la tagann an trathnona.
If Mayo get caught cold in Connacht next year it will be the end of this project. This was the moment.
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2013, 05:47:25 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2013, 05:40:09 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2013, 05:23:47 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2013, 05:17:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2013, 05:15:34 PM
Pretty much no team comes back to the big stage a third time in a row after two AI final defeats.
Cork 89. Galway stick bucks in 1987 wasn't it?
Clann walked the road an incredible four times in a row at club level if you want to count that too.
It is very rare and in this era of near-professional commitment it's hard to see where Mayo go in the short term. They won't fall off the face of the map but they are in danger of becoming Kildare on steroids. The rest of Connacht will catch up given time.
Galway need more time. Mayo will be back in the qfs next year. O connor and andy moran will be fit....Sam will be up for grabs too. Da fhad i an la tagann an trathnona.
If Mayo get caught cold in Connacht next year it will be the end of this project. This was the moment.
And how long did brigids need?
Mildly entertaining final. The best side won with the best forward & really should have won by more than they did. Not sure has our neighbours improved much from last year ourselves,Galway,Donegal simply rolled over while you seen enough in the semi final v Tyrone that Mayo would come up short again. On side note i thought the subs Horan made were strange, will he stay on for another year now?
Congrats to the Dubs waiting 16 years to win one and now have won 2 All Irelands in 3 years.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 22, 2013, 05:37:43 PM
Was extremely worried before the first goal, knew Dublin would win after that. It completely deflated both the Mayo team and the fans, even O'Shea's quick point afterwards couldn't bring back the swagger Mayo had before that goal went in.
Can any of the bitters complaining about cynical fouling towards the end can honestly say that their counties wouldn't have done the same thing? I can guarantee that Matyo would have done the exact same to the Dublin players had they been leading towards the end.
Totally agree, the dubs did the right thing, but the problem is that it is only ever Tyrone teams that get berated for it as if they were the only team that does it.
Did the right thing, could they not properly defend a lead instead of fouling, this is the same thing we been kicking Tyrone about this board for most of the summer, but its ok now??
Quote from: ross4life on September 22, 2013, 05:55:18 PM
On side note i thought the subs Horan made were strange, will he stay on for another year now?
I presume he will although I imagine he runs a fairly intense ship that must be draining both physically and mentally.
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2013, 05:51:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2013, 05:47:25 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2013, 05:40:09 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2013, 05:23:47 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2013, 05:17:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2013, 05:15:34 PM
Pretty much no team comes back to the big stage a third time in a row after two AI final defeats.
Cork 89. Galway stick bucks in 1987 wasn't it?
Clann walked the road an incredible four times in a row at club level if you want to count that too.
It is very rare and in this era of near-professional commitment it's hard to see where Mayo go in the short term. They won't fall off the face of the map but they are in danger of becoming Kildare on steroids. The rest of Connacht will catch up given time.
Galway need more time. Mayo will be back in the qfs next year. O connor and andy moran will be fit....Sam will be up for grabs too. Da fhad i an la tagann an trathnona.
If Mayo get caught cold in Connacht next year it will be the end of this project. This was the moment.
And how long did brigids need?
Brigids were the same as Mayo today. Three in row Connacht titles had lost a semi final & final before winning the All Ireland though the wait goes on for Mayo..
Just realised what happened the year after Mayo last lost two All-Ireland finals in a row. Putting a cheeky €5 on it as we speak.
.Congratulations Dublin, Outstanding Team of the year and great supporters.
Brolly on a serious bonus today!!!
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2013, 05:51:47 PM
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Pretty much no team comes back to the big stage a third time in a row after two AI final defeats.
Cork 89. Galway stick bucks in 1987 wasn't it?
Clann walked the road an incredible four times in a row at club level if you want to count that too.
It is very rare and in this era of near-professional commitment it's hard to see where Mayo go in the short term. They won't fall off the face of the map but they are in danger of becoming Kildare on steroids. The rest of Connacht will catch up given time.
Galway need more time. Mayo will be back in the qfs next year. O connor and andy moran will be fit....Sam will be up for grabs too. Da fhad i an la tagann an trathnona.
If Mayo get caught cold in Connacht next year it will be the end of this project. This was the moment.
And how long did brigids need?
How many AI finals did Brigids lose?
Said it yesterday Mayo's biggest problem was up front and I was proven right. I thought the pre-match optimism of the pundits beggared belief based on that.
Not a great final but by the 70th minute we were the better side and deserved to win.
I feel desperately sorry for Mayo but they just didn't have the forwards to win.
I wouldn't make any predictions on how many all-irelands dublin could win. That's their first for a lot of them - could also be their last.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 22, 2013, 05:37:43 PM
Can any of the bitters complaining about cynical fouling towards the end can honestly say that their counties wouldn't have done the same thing? I can guarantee that Matyo would have done the exact same to the Dublin players had they been leading towards the end.
You are 100% correct there. The problem is that it is becoming more common and rules have to be found to reduce it. Outside of my own county - Armagh - I always like to watch Dublin and Galway play football. Today Dublin fouled their way through the last ten minutes. Earlier in the season I saw Galway do the same against Armagh. Admittedly when it is your own county that does it you do not mind but something has to be done to counteract it. It is not fair that only Tyrone should suffer. ;D
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2013, 06:13:16 PM
I wouldn't make any predictions on how many all-irelands dublin could win. That's their first for a lot of them - could also be their last.
Dublin will win another before Mayo do. Eternal chokers.
Disappointed for Mayo, but they can have no complaints. Dublin were thoroughly deserving winners on the day and, over the season, the best team in the country. Their backs were immense in the second half, and their speed and movement up front was in stark contrast to what Mayo were offering by that point.
Quote from: J70 on September 22, 2013, 06:26:16 PM
Disappointed for Mayo, but they can have no complaints. Dublin were thoroughly deserving winners on the day and, over the season, the best team in the country. Their backs were immense in the second half, and their speed and movement up front was in stark contrast to what Mayo were offering by that point.
It should be noted Mayo's defence was superbh today. Lee Keegan blotted Connolly out completely and really only Bernard Brogan had a stellar day but yet Cafferty still played well. I wouldn't even say Brogan was stellar he was good. Boyle was really good as well.
Mayo threatened early on up front but they just don't have a marquee name to rely on. All their forwards are good but none outstanding.
None of our younger lads played well really and showed they have quite some way to go yet.
The key score was the goal Dublin got against the run of play in the first half. Hennelly had a good game overall , but if you are going to come off your line you have to be sure you are going to win the ball and he didn't look like he was sure. Mayo should have been 6 or 7 points ahead at half time and Dublin would have had to chase the game, Also hard to understand why Alan Freeman was taken off when he was going well.
Quote from: Dirk Diggler on September 22, 2013, 06:53:19 PM
Mayo should have been 6 or 7 points ahead at half time and Dublin would have had to chase the game,
Hennelly also made two great saves in the first half after that and Dublin must have dropped about 3 or 4 very kickable point attempts into Hennelly's hands. Mayo kicked some bad wides as well but I never felt they should have been 6 or 7 points up unless you ingore all the missed Dublin chances.
Quote from: Dirk Diggler on September 22, 2013, 06:53:19 PM
The key score was the goal Dublin got against the run of play in the first half. Hennelly had a good game overall , but if you are going to come off your line you have to be sure you are going to win the ball and he didn't look like he was sure. Mayo should have been 6 or 7 points ahead at half time and Dublin would have had to chase the game, Also hard to understand why Alan Freeman was taken off when he was going well.
Rubbish. We missed two goal chances and four into the keeper's hands. Level at worst for us if we took our chances.
Mayo were in big trouble after 20 mins in the full forward line and it stayed that way for the final 50 mins
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 22, 2013, 05:28:51 PM
The rest of Connacht will catch up given time.
Probably but I can't see ourselves catching them next year anyway. Might still be a year too early. Hopefully by 2015 though. Still firm favourites for Connacht next year.
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It could all fall apart on them now. Serious effort and committment for 2 long years with only Provincial titles to show for it all.
Could be a number of departures and hopefully we'll have a competitive Connacht Championship next year as we and Galway , not to mention Sligo can only be better next year.
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Quote from: Dirk Diggler on September 22, 2013, 06:53:19 PM
The key score was the goal Dublin got against the run of play in the first half. Hennelly had a good game overall , but if you are going to come off your line you have to be sure you are going to win the ball and he didn't look like he was sure. Mayo should have been 6 or 7 points ahead at half time and Dublin would have had to chase the game, Also hard to understand why Alan Freeman was taken off when he was going well.
Rubbish. We missed two goal chances and four into the keeper's hands. Level at worst for us if we took our chances.
Mayo were in big trouble after 20 mins in the full forward line and it stayed that way for the final 50 mins
Brogan's goal in the first half was as soft as they come, the goalie coming forward and making a hames of it and it trickled in. The same thing almost happened to Cluxton in the first half when he came forward but he got away with it. Mayo were on top in the game during these two crucial swings. Dublin didn't miss the other goal chances, they were saved. Kilkenny hit it straight at Hennelly who closed him down and Donkey O'Gara can only blast and hope for the best and that was deflected over for a point. Mayo dropped balls in to Cluxton's hands as well most notably Lee Keegan late in the game.
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Quote from: Dirk Diggler on September 22, 2013, 06:53:19 PM
The key score was the goal Dublin got against the run of play in the first half. Hennelly had a good game overall , but if you are going to come off your line you have to be sure you are going to win the ball and he didn't look like he was sure. Mayo should have been 6 or 7 points ahead at half time and Dublin would have had to chase the game, Also hard to understand why Alan Freeman was taken off when he was going well.
Rubbish. We missed two goal chances and four into the keeper's hands. Level at worst for us if we took our chances.
Mayo were in big trouble after 20 mins in the full forward line and it stayed that way for the final 50 mins
Brogan's goal in the first half was as soft as they come, the goalie coming forward and making a hames of it and it trickled in. The same thing almost happened to Cluxton in the first half when he came forward but he got away with it. Mayo were on top in the game during these two crucial swings. Dublin didn't miss the other goal chances, they were saved. Kilkenny hit it straight at Hennelly who closed him down and Donkey O'Gara can only blast and hope for the best and that was deflected over for a point. Mayo dropped balls in to Cluxton's hands as well most notably Lee Keegan late in the game.
one ball into the keeper's hands by Mayo by my count. We had four clear cut goal chances and took none. Mayo had one and took it. God help teams if we start taking our goal chances.
The team who beats Kerry usually wins the All-Ireland, this year it happened.
Tactically I think most teams know how to beat Dublin. In the first half every team showed it. Pressuring the short kick outs and exploiting the space you get against the full back line.
It's mainly a case of fitness, strength and conditioning. Meath, Cork, Kerry and today Mayo were just trying to hang on in the second half. There were Mayo and Kerry players strolling in the second half because they couldn't keep chasing. Dublin up the tempo in the second half in every game. 1st half is a different story.
On the other note of cynical fouling, same as with Sean Cavanagh against Monaghan, Kevin McMenamen should have got sent off. That should be a rule. I'm not suggesting Meath players wouldn't do the same. That's not the point. Rules need to adapt to this emerging tactic. We need to keep players as honest as possible. thats the whole point of rules.
Indiana if I was you I'd be out celebrating and leaving the analysis until tomorrow ;)
Quote from: thejuice on September 22, 2013, 07:20:14 PM
On the other note of cynical fouling, same as with Sean Cavanagh against Monaghan, Kevin McMenamen should have got sent off. That should be a rule.
The silence and lack of angry indignation at the cynical fouling of Dublin from the fundits was deafening.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2013, 06:42:11 PM
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Disappointed for Mayo, but they can have no complaints. Dublin were thoroughly deserving winners on the day and, over the season, the best team in the country. Their backs were immense in the second half, and their speed and movement up front was in stark contrast to what Mayo were offering by that point.
It should be noted Mayo's defence was superbh today. Lee Keegan blotted Connolly out completely and really only Bernard Brogan had a stellar day but yet Cafferty still played well. I wouldn't even say Brogan was stellar he was good. Boyle was really good as well.
Mayo threatened early on up front but they just don't have a marquee name to rely on. All their forwards are good but none outstanding.
None of our younger lads played well really and showed they have quite some way to go yet.
Connolly,Kilkenny etc are well talked up however Brogan remains Dublins best forward and without him Dublin would have lost the last two All Irelands they won.
Quote from: thebuzz on September 22, 2013, 07:25:43 PM
Indiana if I was you I'd be out celebrating and leaving the analysis until tomorrow ;)
I wish. Into work in a few hours so unfortunately no celebrating for me....
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Indiana if I was you I'd be out celebrating and leaving the analysis until tomorrow ;)
I wish. Into work in a few hours so unfortunately no celebrating for me....
I said the same to you in 2011 but you used the excuse of non-drinker that doesn't celebrate. Indiana feck the work go out and enjoy it have a few knickerbocker glories or whatever ;)
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Quote from: thebuzz on September 22, 2013, 07:25:43 PM
Indiana if I was you I'd be out celebrating and leaving the analysis until tomorrow ;)
I wish. Into work in a few hours so unfortunately no celebrating for me....
INDIANA any comments on the last 10 mins. If I remember rightly you were in the I'm with Joe camp. :)
Dunno how Mayo will come back from that. They say you need to lose one, to win one, they have lost in consecutive years now. Along with all those other defeats over the years. The likes of Dillon, Moran will find it hard to come back from another defeat. Suppose its a young enough side bar those players. Good Minor team but it will take a few years for them to make a serious impact at Senior level. Dublin deserved the win, 1pts win wasn't a true reflection on the match. Should have been 4/5. Bizarre decision taking Freeman off.
Hi guys,
My tactical take on Dublin's win over Mayo is now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7665
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Emmet
Mayo were excellent from 1 to 10 apart from AOS who was very poor. forwards let them down yet again - only 2 out of the 9 forwards that played for Mayo scored. Well done to Moran who took the chances that came his way. Taking Freeman off was strange and bringing Varley on is just ridiculous. He's not of the level required.
Surely the first criteria when selecting a forward to start and be part of the squad is that he can take a score. Hard working should be secondary
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 22, 2013, 07:13:50 PM
The team who beats Kerry usually wins the All-Ireland, this year it happened.
'98, '01? ;)
From a Connacht point of view, I am disappointed today. I thought mayo would win but I obviously underestimated the pace and fitness of the dubs. Only one of the mayo forwards functioned from a scoring point of view ( which is what they're there for) and that's just not good enough . For the second game in a row, Aidan o Shea was poor but yet his more effective brother was taken off ?? Mayo may come back but it may not be next year. Twill take a huge effort to get to yet another final and are there the forwards that are needed in the county I wonder ? Hard to know who will win next year, but you would have to be putting the dubs , Kerry , Donegal , cork, Tyrone and mayo, if they find forwards in the mix . A reasonable year in Gaelic football but the best team won, that's for sure! Scary thing is, they might even get stronger with the experience their young players got this year!!
Why was o Connor left on, to take frees? He was a passenger and all he scored were 20m frees. Freeman took off way to early. It was a poor final and seems the Sunday game pundits were unable to call it as it was as they had expended so much effort hyping the two teams up. There was as much cynical stuff and shire hand passing as in any game this year yet not a peep out of the "experts". Saying all that Dublin were the best team this year and fair play to them.
Cluxton being able to pick out a free player from nearly ever kick out was another strange one. Surely that was stuff Mayo would have known about.
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 22, 2013, 09:03:07 PM
Cluxton being able to pick out a free player from nearly ever kick out was another strange one. Surely that was stuff Mayo would have known about.
AOS is no quick mover but being so loose on another walking tank like Bastick was unforgivable. AOS is the most talented midfielder in the sport but it's no under-estimation to say his inability to stick to his man presented Cluxton with many of the easy kick-outs. Mayo's midfield was almost entirely by-passed today.
Think they were so primed to stop short kick outs they neglected space further out the field.
would agree o'connor was passenger,missed a couple of early frees when Mayo were on top.Mayo forwards bar Moran went missing in 2nd half when game was up for grabs.
Mayo will be close again next year but will need to unearth some new blood in forwards along the lines of McBrearty when he came into Donegal team.
Well done Dublin. You deserved it.
Fair play to Dublin, they were the better team. Hope good men like Indiana, the Squire, Canalman and Hound enjoy tonight (even thought Indiana seems to be currently shackled by The Man).
People are wondering how Mayo will come back. Well, the same way we always do, I guess. It's not like we haven't had to do it before. See you in the FBD.
Brogan, Higgins and Cian O'Sullivan would be my 3 nominations for MOTM but for a player whose temperament has proven suspect in the past I thought that ultimately Brogans scores were the difference and he probably done enough to shade it.
Cluxtons accuracy from kick outs was outstanding today particularly as the game wore on. He is the best GAA goalkeeper I've ever seen and will be irreplaceable for them. Will he now bow out at the pinnacle?
One conclusion I have come to from today is that while you might have some chance of analysing relatively pedestrian sports like soccer/rugby/chess while watching it on the box there is too much going on in a game like today's to come to any conclusions without being there. Watching it on the TV over the first 25 minutes it looked like Mayo were going to leather them off the park. Clearly something was going on off camera where Mayo were absolutely flaking themselves into the ground to maintain their level. First goal for the Dubs was a major development. Will Horan be able to motivate these lads to go at it again, bi call....
Goalkeeper like him could play into his late 30`s if he wanted too
Quote from: yellowcard on September 22, 2013, 09:18:45 PM
Brogan, Higgins and Cian O'Sullivan would be my 3 nominations for MOTM but for a player whose temperament has proven suspect in the past I thought that ultimately Brogans scores were the difference and he probably done enough to shade it.
Cluxtons accuracy from kick outs was outstanding today particularly as the game wore on. He is the best GAA goalkeeper I've ever seen and will be irreplaceable for them. Will he now bow out at the pinnacle?
Lee Keegan was outstanding. Second only to brogan. Best wing back in Ireland by a mile.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 22, 2013, 09:18:45 PM
Brogan, Higgins and Cian O'Sullivan would be my 3 nominations for MOTM but for a player whose temperament has proven suspect in the past I thought that ultimately Brogans scores were the difference and he probably done enough to shade it.
Cluxtons accuracy from kick outs was outstanding today particularly as the game wore on. He is the best GAA goalkeeper I've ever seen and will be irreplaceable for them. Will he now bow out at the pinnacle?
Badly at fault for the mayo goal though.
Congrats to Dublin, fully deserved the win.
Would someone not have a word in that caveman O'Garas ear and tell him to give up the macho man routine?
The amount of times he fouled a Mayo player and then stood over him preventing him getting up was ridiculous.
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Quote from: yellowcard on September 22, 2013, 09:18:45 PM
Brogan, Higgins and Cian O'Sullivan would be my 3 nominations for MOTM but for a player whose temperament has proven suspect in the past I thought that ultimately Brogans scores were the difference and he probably done enough to shade it.
Cluxtons accuracy from kick outs was outstanding today particularly as the game wore on. He is the best GAA goalkeeper I've ever seen and will be irreplaceable for them. Will he now bow out at the pinnacle?
Lee Keegan was outstanding. Second only to brogan. Best wing back in Ireland by a mile.
Yeah Keegan was very good going forward and nullified Connolly no argument there. He criminally dropped one into the keepers hands from about 25m in the second half though at an important stage of the game. Best wing back in Ireland? I wouldn't be that sure.
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2013, 09:25:45 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 22, 2013, 09:18:45 PM
Brogan, Higgins and Cian O'Sullivan would be my 3 nominations for MOTM but for a player whose temperament has proven suspect in the past I thought that ultimately Brogans scores were the difference and he probably done enough to shade it.
Cluxtons accuracy from kick outs was outstanding today particularly as the game wore on. He is the best GAA goalkeeper I've ever seen and will be irreplaceable for them. Will he now bow out at the pinnacle?
Lee Keegan was outstanding. Second only to brogan. Best wing back in Ireland by a mile.
Yeah Keegan was very good going forward and nullified Connolly no argument there. He criminally dropped one into the keepers hands from about 25m in the second half though at an important stage of the game. Best wing back in Ireland? I wouldn't be that sure.
Who is better? I can guarantee you - you won't come up with one. Could be one of the best ever if he keeps progressing.
Dublin the best team in the country this year-well deserved and I expect a few more in the next five years looking at their ages. Hard to see how Mayo can come back from this-hopefully they do.
With good refereeing in the semis, it could have been Tyrone v Kerry. The top four are very close but Dublin have the strongest squad, are physically the strongest and fastest, and will take some stopping.
(Did McQuillan tell the free-taker that there was another minute at the end?-Mayo lad looked raging when he blew for full time-should have went for the goal)
Glad to see Brogan firing at last.
Things from today's game that are bad for the game (not only displayed by these teams):
-tackle after the ball has been played.
-the so-called 'fair' shoulder or 'hit' with no intention of getting get the ball, when either a player has possession of the ball or is stretching or reaching out for a ball. Nothing sporting, tough, brave or useful about this tackle-just satisfies our inate desire to see somebody cleaned out of it.
-the last ten minutes cynicism (a penalty would stop this)
-Jarring a fella with your knees when he's on the ground-O'Gara repeat offender-unpunished.
-putting your hands up to your ears at Hill16. This seems to have tragic consequences to anyone who attempts it. (You could at least do the Mulligan stare.)
Quote from: yellowcard on September 22, 2013, 09:18:45 PM
Brogan, Higgins and Cian O'Sullivan would be my 3 nominations for MOTM but for a player whose temperament has proven suspect in the past I thought that ultimately Brogans scores were the difference and he probably done enough to shade it.
Cluxtons accuracy from kick outs was outstanding today particularly as the game wore on. He is the best GAA goalkeeper I've ever seen and will be irreplaceable for them. Will he now bow out at the pinnacle?
Why would he? He's one of the all-time greats but some people have sucked down the hype train a little too far.
Cluxton was under pressure with his early kickouts had Mayo had managed to keep tight on Dublin, he probably would have started taking wilder options as the game progressed. This was a huge systems failure for Mayo that they allowed him easily hit distant targets for most of the rest of the game.
For all the talk of Dublin's superiority and Mayo forwards being poor, there was only a point in it. Suggesting that Dublin forwards can just click and start rattling the twines at some future stage is a bit speculative. Top drawer shooters don't keep hitting the keeper with their shots. Bernard Brogan is sheer class, but had he not shown up today I'm not sure the rest could have pulled them through.
As for the decision to tap over the final free. I wonder will we hear more about this? Did McQuillan indicate there was time to take the point and then go for an equaliser? This happened Offaly against Kildare in 2002. With time nearly up and Offaly weighing up whether to go for goal with a close in free, referee Paddy Russell clarified with the Offaly players that there was sufficient time to go for the equaliser if they took the point. Imagine how amused they were when he blew for full time seconds after the point went over.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 22, 2013, 09:38:39 PM
Cluxton was under pressure with his early kickouts had Mayo had managed to keep tight on Dublin, he probably would have started taking wilder options as the game progressed. This was a huge systems failure for Mayo that they allowed him easily hit distant targets for most of the rest of the game.
For all the talk of Dublin's superiority and Mayo forwards being poor, there was only a point in it. Suggesting that Dublin forwards can just click and start rattling the twines at some future stage is a bit speculative. Top drawer shooters don't keep hitting the keeper with their shots. Bernard Brogan is sheer class, but had he not shown up today I'm not sure the rest could have pulled them through.
As for the decision to tap over the final free. I wonder will we hear more about this? Did McQuillan indicate there was time to take the point and then go for an equaliser? This happened Offaly against Kildare in 2002. With time nearly up and Offaly weighing up whether to go for goal with a close in free, referee Paddy Russell clarified with the Offaly players that there was sufficient time to go for the equaliser if they took the point. Imagine how amused they were when he blew for full time seconds after the point went over.
Saw some journo on Twitter earlier saying three Mayo players have said McQuillqn indicated there was still time left. Why else would O'Connor have tapped it over ?
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Quote from: yellowcard on September 22, 2013, 09:18:45 PM
Brogan, Higgins and Cian O'Sullivan would be my 3 nominations for MOTM but for a player whose temperament has proven suspect in the past I thought that ultimately Brogans scores were the difference and he probably done enough to shade it.
Cluxtons accuracy from kick outs was outstanding today particularly as the game wore on. He is the best GAA goalkeeper I've ever seen and will be irreplaceable for them. Will he now bow out at the pinnacle?
Badly at fault for the mayo goal though.
On that note did the mayo keeper need to come for the first brogan goal? Didn't think he did.
Maybe he changed his mind. :-\
Agree Whistup. To me it looked a dead cert that CoC was told there would be one more play after that free kick. An absolute age was wasted during those four additional minutes.
Mayo just don't seem to have that dynamic forward who will stand up on the big occasion and pull out a match winning display. Worst of luck lads, dread to think how you all must feel now.
Finally, congrats to Dublin. A superb team who are going to win many more AIs over the coming years. At least us in Tyrone can take solace in being the only team to have beaten you this year (we would have taken you today as well ;) )
I hope that the ref did not tell him that he had time . Don't think they will mention of the negative stuff .
O'Connor according to the radio ran after Mc Quillan and berated him for 2 minutes after the final whistle which kinda suggests Mc Quillan told him there'd be time for one more play.
Bad doing if this is true.
Congrats to the Dubs. Had Dublin played any in the first half they'd have won easier than they did.
I thought this game was very similar to mayo tyrone. Up until 25 minutes one team on top but from then the opposition seemed to have them sussed.
Really feel for mayo. Had hoped they would win but the dubs were just the better team.
While o'gara is much maligned i thought it was only after he came on that the dubs started to rattle the mayo defense. Sme of those mayo defenders were outstanding still though.
A lot of talk about fitness but fitness doesn't give you movement and just not enough up front for mayo. Was surprised freeman was taken off.
Higgins in chf mind you was superb. Keegan also some player. Dubs just more aces in the pack really.
Quote from: orangeman on September 22, 2013, 09:50:44 PM
O'Connor according to the radio ran after Mc Quillan and berated him for 2 minutes after the final whistle which kinda suggests Mc Quillan told him there'd be time for one more play.
Bad doing if this is true.
Time this lad was pensioned off if that's true :-[
It took Mayo nearly a minute to convert that last free. There would have been one more play left if they just tapped it over
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 22, 2013, 09:38:39 PM
Cluxton was under pressure with his early kickouts had Mayo had managed to keep tight on Dublin, he probably would have started taking wilder options as the game progressed. This was a huge systems failure for Mayo that they allowed him easily hit distant targets for most of the rest of the game.
For all the talk of Dublin's superiority and Mayo forwards being poor, there was only a point in it. Suggesting that Dublin forwards can just click and start rattling the twines at some future stage is a bit speculative. Top drawer shooters don't keep hitting the keeper with their shots. Bernard Brogan is sheer class, but had he not shown up today I'm not sure the rest could have pulled them through.
As for the decision to tap over the final free. I wonder will we hear more about this? Did McQuillan indicate there was time to take the point and then go for an equaliser? This happened Offaly against Kildare in 2002. With time nearly up and Offaly weighing up whether to go for goal with a close in free, referee Paddy Russell clarified with the Offaly players that there was sufficient time to go for the equaliser if they took the point. Imagine how amused they were when he blew for full time seconds after the point went over.
Ah you couldn't be anymore begrudging. We won by a lot more then a point. Mayo have no marquee forward. Said it pre-game on Saturday afternoon. And I was right. No team has ever won an All-Ireland with just good forwards. The facts are Dean Rock would be Mayo's marquee forward if he was born in Castlebar.
I feel bad for Mayo I really do. 1-10 they've a super team. But 10-15 they are average most days with the odd starlet performance from COC.
Quote from: Mano on September 22, 2013, 09:54:37 PM
It took Mayo nearly a minute to convert that last free. There would have been one more play left if they just tapped it over
Exactly, O'Connor took way too long over a simple free.
Quote from: orangeman on September 22, 2013, 09:50:44 PM
O'Connor according to the radio ran after Mc Quillan and berated him for 2 minutes after the final whistle which kinda suggests Mc Quillan told him there'd be time for one more play.
Bad doing if this is true.
Got to be something in it so, O'Connor would hardly have taken his point and reacted that way after the whistle unless he was told otherwise by McQuillan. The ref in the hurling final conjured up more time on top of the added time when there was no reason (other than give Clare a chance of a draw) but when there was blatantly obvious reasons to do so today it didn't happen.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2013, 09:53:21 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 22, 2013, 09:50:44 PM
O'Connor according to the radio ran after Mc Quillan and berated him for 2 minutes after the final whistle which kinda suggests Mc Quillan told him there'd be time for one more play.
Bad doing if this is true.
Time this lad was pensioned off if that's true :-[
O'Connor was looking to the Mayo sideline to see what he should do and it didn't appear like he was getting any help. They should have been shouting for all they were worth to go for the goal.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2013, 09:57:40 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 22, 2013, 09:38:39 PM
Cluxton was under pressure with his early kickouts had Mayo had managed to keep tight on Dublin, he probably would have started taking wilder options as the game progressed. This was a huge systems failure for Mayo that they allowed him easily hit distant targets for most of the rest of the game.
For all the talk of Dublin's superiority and Mayo forwards being poor, there was only a point in it. Suggesting that Dublin forwards can just click and start rattling the twines at some future stage is a bit speculative. Top drawer shooters don't keep hitting the keeper with their shots. Bernard Brogan is sheer class, but had he not shown up today I'm not sure the rest could have pulled them through.
As for the decision to tap over the final free. I wonder will we hear more about this? Did McQuillan indicate there was time to take the point and then go for an equaliser? This happened Offaly against Kildare in 2002. With time nearly up and Offaly weighing up whether to go for goal with a close in free, referee Paddy Russell clarified with the Offaly players that there was sufficient time to go for the equaliser if they took the point. Imagine how amused they were when he blew for full time seconds after the point went over.
Ah you couldn't be anymore begrudging. We won by a lot more then a point. Mayo have no marquee forward. Said it pre-game on Saturday afternoon. And I was right. No team has ever won an All-Ireland with just good forwards. The facts are Dean Rock would be Mayo's marquee forward if he was born in Castlebar.
Enjoy the win (which was fully deserved), but that sort of crowing is ill advised, even in the heat of celebration.
Take out Brogan and Dublin's 5 other started forwards scored 3 points.
Dublin's 2nd best forward today was Eoghan O'Gara and his early introduction turned out to be blessing.
Let's not be mixing up marquees with 4 man tents...
Mayo fans clutching at straws now. Even if McQuillan had played on, Dublin had won that last kickout.
Bit of consistency from Bolly at least
Joe Brolly @JoeBrolly1993
So much for Dublin's "playing the game the right way" philosophy. Their last quarter display was a master class in cynicism.
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Cluxton was under pressure with his early kickouts had Mayo had managed to keep tight on Dublin, he probably would have started taking wilder options as the game progressed. This was a huge systems failure for Mayo that they allowed him easily hit distant targets for most of the rest of the game.
For all the talk of Dublin's superiority and Mayo forwards being poor, there was only a point in it. Suggesting that Dublin forwards can just click and start rattling the twines at some future stage is a bit speculative. Top drawer shooters don't keep hitting the keeper with their shots. Bernard Brogan is sheer class, but had he not shown up today I'm not sure the rest could have pulled them through.
As for the decision to tap over the final free. I wonder will we hear more about this? Did McQuillan indicate there was time to take the point and then go for an equaliser? This happened Offaly against Kildare in 2002. With time nearly up and Offaly weighing up whether to go for goal with a close in free, referee Paddy Russell clarified with the Offaly players that there was sufficient time to go for the equaliser if they took the point. Imagine how amused they were when he blew for full time seconds after the point went over.
Ah you couldn't be anymore begrudging. We won by a lot more then a point. Mayo have no marquee forward. Said it pre-game on Saturday afternoon. And I was right. No team has ever won an All-Ireland with just good forwards. The facts are Dean Rock would be Mayo's marquee forward if he was born in Castlebar.
Enjoy the win (which was fully deserved), but that sort of crowing is ill advised, even in the heat of celebration.
Take out Brogan and Dublin's 5 other started forwards scored 3 points.
Dublin's 2nd best forward today was Eoghan O'Gara and his early introduction turned out to be blessing.
Let's not be mixing up marquees with 4 man tents...
What did Mayo's forwards score from play ? 1-3 and one of them was a back! Our forwards subs or otherwise scored 2-8. I rest my case.
It's not crowing at all its pointing out the complete inaccuracies in your analysis.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 22, 2013, 10:24:30 PM
Mayo fans clutching at straws now. Even if McQuillan had played on, Dublin had won that last kickout.
And you can say with complete certainty that if there had been ,say, another 30-40 seconds that Dublin would have held on to the ball?
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 22, 2013, 10:24:30 PM
Mayo fans clutching at straws now. Even if McQuillan had played on, Dublin had won that last kickout.
In fairness the ref had blown the final whistle before that kick out was won.
Mayo are bound to be kicking themselves that's one that got away for sure.
2 things: Had they dealt with Cluxtons kickouts and had Higgins not gone into defence (he was my MOTM by the way) I think they win the game.
As it stands the Dubs deserved it but stumbled over the line especially with that dross they served up for the last 15 mins - Tyrone esque!
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Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 22, 2013, 09:38:39 PM
Cluxton was under pressure with his early kickouts had Mayo had managed to keep tight on Dublin, he probably would have started taking wilder options as the game progressed. This was a huge systems failure for Mayo that they allowed him easily hit distant targets for most of the rest of the game.
For all the talk of Dublin's superiority and Mayo forwards being poor, there was only a point in it. Suggesting that Dublin forwards can just click and start rattling the twines at some future stage is a bit speculative. Top drawer shooters don't keep hitting the keeper with their shots. Bernard Brogan is sheer class, but had he not shown up today I'm not sure the rest could have pulled them through.
As for the decision to tap over the final free. I wonder will we hear more about this? Did McQuillan indicate there was time to take the point and then go for an equaliser? This happened Offaly against Kildare in 2002. With time nearly up and Offaly weighing up whether to go for goal with a close in free, referee Paddy Russell clarified with the Offaly players that there was sufficient time to go for the equaliser if they took the point. Imagine how amused they were when he blew for full time seconds after the point went over.
Ah you couldn't be anymore begrudging. We won by a lot more then a point. Mayo have no marquee forward. Said it pre-game on Saturday afternoon. And I was right. No team has ever won an All-Ireland with just good forwards. The facts are Dean Rock would be Mayo's marquee forward if he was born in Castlebar.
Enjoy the win (which was fully deserved), but that sort of crowing is ill advised, even in the heat of celebration.
Take out Brogan and Dublin's 5 other started forwards scored 3 points.
Dublin's 2nd best forward today was Eoghan O'Gara and his early introduction turned out to be blessing.
Let's not be mixing up marquees with 4 man tents...
What did Mayo's forwards score from play ? 1-3 and one of them was a back! Our forwards subs or otherwise scored 2-8. I rest my case.
It's not crowing at all its pointing out the complete inaccuracies in your analysis.
My analysis was that if that there was really such a gulf (Dublin's 2nd sub would hypothetically be Mayo's marquee forward). And let's say there is, then for Dublin to only win by a point is surprising.
Your belief is that "[Dublin] won by a lot more then a point."
This final will go down as the poorest final for years, not that the Dubs will care. Poor skills on show from both teams
Terrible tackling, passing, shooting, defending and a massive dose of cynicism to boot. We were promised that this game was going to be played the way the game is supposed to be played by the two greatest proponents of open attacking football. If this is where its at then bring back the blanket.
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Cluxton was under pressure with his early kickouts had Mayo had managed to keep tight on Dublin, he probably would have started taking wilder options as the game progressed. This was a huge systems failure for Mayo that they allowed him easily hit distant targets for most of the rest of the game.
For all the talk of Dublin's superiority and Mayo forwards being poor, there was only a point in it. Suggesting that Dublin forwards can just click and start rattling the twines at some future stage is a bit speculative. Top drawer shooters don't keep hitting the keeper with their shots. Bernard Brogan is sheer class, but had he not shown up today I'm not sure the rest could have pulled them through.
As for the decision to tap over the final free. I wonder will we hear more about this? Did McQuillan indicate there was time to take the point and then go for an equaliser? This happened Offaly against Kildare in 2002. With time nearly up and Offaly weighing up whether to go for goal with a close in free, referee Paddy Russell clarified with the Offaly players that there was sufficient time to go for the equaliser if they took the point. Imagine how amused they were when he blew for full time seconds after the point went over.
Ah you couldn't be anymore begrudging. We won by a lot more then a point. Mayo have no marquee forward. Said it pre-game on Saturday afternoon. And I was right. No team has ever won an All-Ireland with just good forwards. The facts are Dean Rock would be Mayo's marquee forward if he was born in Castlebar.
Enjoy the win (which was fully deserved), but that sort of crowing is ill advised, even in the heat of celebration.
Take out Brogan and Dublin's 5 other started forwards scored 3 points.
Dublin's 2nd best forward today was Eoghan O'Gara and his early introduction turned out to be blessing.
Let's not be mixing up marquees with 4 man tents...
What did Mayo's forwards score from play ? 1-3 and one of them was a back! Our forwards subs or otherwise scored 2-8. I rest my case.
It's not crowing at all its pointing out the complete inaccuracies in your analysis.
My analysis was that if that there was really such a gulf (Dublin's 2nd sub would hypothetically be Mayo's marquee forward). And let's say there is, then for Dublin to only win by a point is surprising.
Your belief is that "[Dublin] won by a lot more then a point."
Because our forwards were marking the best defensive unit in Ireland.
Their forwards weren't. Now if you can't work that out I give up!
My mc of the match was hennelly the mayo keeper
Next Seamus O'Shea ( thought they were stupid taking him off - best outfield player today)
Third Berno brogan
Another comment on the ref - was he trying to even it up be denying mayo obv frees near the end.
IMO despite the fantastic season, we need two refs on a pitch
Oh and hard luck to all you decent mayo football fans- you deserve a win.
Deel far et al sorry for you lads
Kevin Nolan and Micky Fitzsimons were probably Dublin's two best backs in 2011. Don't think either of them featured in the championship this year.
Dublin should dominate with the panel they have. Cormac Costello was unlucky with injuries this year and Alan Brogan. More options for next season if they are fully fit and around the panel.
We'll make bits of Dublin next year.
BITS OF THEM!
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Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 22, 2013, 09:38:39 PM
Cluxton was under pressure with his early kickouts had Mayo had managed to keep tight on Dublin, he probably would have started taking wilder options as the game progressed. This was a huge systems failure for Mayo that they allowed him easily hit distant targets for most of the rest of the game.
For all the talk of Dublin's superiority and Mayo forwards being poor, there was only a point in it. Suggesting that Dublin forwards can just click and start rattling the twines at some future stage is a bit speculative. Top drawer shooters don't keep hitting the keeper with their shots. Bernard Brogan is sheer class, but had he not shown up today I'm not sure the rest could have pulled them through.
As for the decision to tap over the final free. I wonder will we hear more about this? Did McQuillan indicate there was time to take the point and then go for an equaliser? This happened Offaly against Kildare in 2002. With time nearly up and Offaly weighing up whether to go for goal with a close in free, referee Paddy Russell clarified with the Offaly players that there was sufficient time to go for the equaliser if they took the point. Imagine how amused they were when he blew for full time seconds after the point went over.
Ah you couldn't be anymore begrudging. We won by a lot more then a point. Mayo have no marquee forward. Said it pre-game on Saturday afternoon. And I was right. No team has ever won an All-Ireland with just good forwards. The facts are Dean Rock would be Mayo's marquee forward if he was born in Castlebar.
Enjoy the win (which was fully deserved), but that sort of crowing is ill advised, even in the heat of celebration.
Take out Brogan and Dublin's 5 other started forwards scored 3 points.
Dublin's 2nd best forward today was Eoghan O'Gara and his early introduction turned out to be blessing.
Let's not be mixing up marquees with 4 man tents...
What did Mayo's forwards score from play ? 1-3 and one of them was a back! Our forwards subs or otherwise scored 2-8. I rest my case.
It's not crowing at all its pointing out the complete inaccuracies in your analysis.
My analysis was that if that there was really such a gulf (Dublin's 2nd sub would hypothetically be Mayo's marquee forward). And let's say there is, then for Dublin to only win by a point is surprising.
Your belief is that "[Dublin] won by a lot more then a point."
Because our forwards were marking the best defensive unit in Ireland.
Their forwards weren't. Now if you can't work that out I give up!
The Sunday Game panellists don't get it either. Picking Cillian O'Connor on the team of the year, instead of superior footballing wizards like Rock and O'Gara.
Commiserations to Mayo. But I think Mayo and Dublin are the teams to beat over the next 2-3 years. there is an all-Ireland in this Mayo team. Hard luck today, but Keep the faith.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 22, 2013, 10:24:30 PM
Mayo fans clutching at straws now. Even if McQuillan had played on, Dublin had won that last kickout.
Mayo won't win an all Ireland with that forward line. All through the game they showed lack og conviction/bottle to take on the shot. Mayo's half back line has more scoring power than their forward line. Only for the keeper would have been a bigger margin of victory for Dubs
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Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 22, 2013, 10:24:30 PM
Mayo fans clutching at straws now. Even if McQuillan had played on, Dublin had won that last kickout.
Mayo won't win an all Ireland with that forward line. All through the game they showed lack og conviction/bottle to take on the shot. Mayo's half back line has more scoring power than their forward line. Only for the keeper would have been a bigger margin of victory for Dubs
You could maybe wait a few days for this sort of post, no?
Whole country is heartbroken. The Dublin GAA crowd are mostly descended from culchies, but it doesn't soften the blow. They are good people, but ........................f**k the Dubs, you broke our hearts again, and with that team you might do it again.
Not like mild mannered Jim to be giving out about the ref as he defends his players from the cynicism charge.
COLM KEYS – 23 SEPTEMBER 2013
Dublin manager Jim Gavin basked in the glory of a 2-12 to 1-14 victory but still insisted his team had to play a 16th man to claim a second All-Ireland title in three years.
Gavin said he failed to understand how his team could have a free count of 32-12 against them and insisted that it had been a common trend all season.
He defended the cynicism of some of his players as they resorted to dragging down opponents to kill Mayo momentum, particularly in the last 10 minutes, and insisted it was born out of frustration with referee Joe McQuillan.
"Twelve frees? That's just beyond me. I can't understand that. I really can't. That's one of the very disappointing things. Not only were we playing Mayo but we were playing the referee as well," he claimed.
He refused to accept that his players had just fouled more to establish such an adverse free count and was adamant that any acts of cynicism like Kevin McManamon's 'tackle' on Lee Keegan in the 68th minute as they led by 2-12 to 1-12 were because they were "frustrated."
"We are getting very few frees, particularly from the forward division," he said.
"It's a fight that we have in every game, that opposition players are getting more frees than we are and we work very hard on the art of defending and the technical tackle. An awful lot of work on that. It's disappointing. That's an enormous number of frees to give away in any game," said Gavin.
"They (the players) were frustrated. That free-count is just not acceptable. Anybody here can ask me are Dublin a cynical team and we're not. We play the game with certain values in the squad and we play the game the way we believe it should be played and to have that number (of frees)...
"At the end, that was just Dublin players getting frustrated. For the whole game, there is a double count going against us. All the time. And it's not only today. We probably kept our counsel for most of the games but that has been the trend in all the games."
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Mayo players were also unhappy with McQuillan for blowing full time after Stephen Cluxton's final kick-out with manager James Horan and captain Andy Moran claiming the Cavan official had told them there were 30 seconds still left to play. Cillian O'Connor went for a point as a consequence of that apparent information relayed to him, to reduce the deficit to the minimum.
It was their second successive All-Ireland final defeat and inevitably there will be speculation about James Horan's future as manager.
Mayo led by 0-8 to 1-4 at the interval but their goalkeeper Rob Hennelly was forced to make three top-class saves to deny Dublin more goals.
Bernard Brogan was Dublin's scoring hero, bagging 2-3 (2-2 from play) in a war of attrition that left two of their players (Rory O'Carroll and Jonny Cooper) concussed and more limping out of a dressing room that resembled a war zone.
No harm Jim, but that's just bullshit. Dublin deliberately killed the game and any Mayo momentum in the last 10 and 5 minutes particularly. It's not a heinous crime, nor is it unexpected, and I'd love Offaly to be in the position to kill off an All Ireland Final like that, but spare us that they were getting 'frustrated'. If he said they were knackered and doing all they could to stop Mayo, it would be more in his line.
Pious most holy saint Jim Gavin would sicken your hole at times coming out with sanctimonious shite at every available opportunity! >:(
Well done Dublin (buy lay off the righteous indignation, Management).
sanctimonious shite +1
Mud doesnt stick to this ( biting ? , gouging ? , cynical fouling ?) Dublin team though.
I read Gavin's comments with some amusement. If anyone has cause to be upset with McQuillan it's Mayo. He is a poor and inconsistent referee. Dublin are lucky to have finished with 15 players. It is also quite clear he told O'Connor there was time left. He should look at how the hurling final was reffed in relation to time added on. Mayo should have been allowed one more play, I don't think they'd hvae equalised anyway as the seemed to have lost their way. Dublin were the better team over the 70 minutes, although at times they seemed to prefer cynism over football. They don't need to be cynical they can dominate over the next few years with the players they've got. I don't know what Pat is doing in Croker but he's not turning out refs in his own image. Time to ditch assesment sheets and mjor on common sense.
Regarding the cynical fouling at the end of the match. Mayo did exactly the same to us at for the last 20 minutes of last years semi final. As a Dub I'm not proud of it and would of preferred if we had stayed playing attacking football. However the rules as they currently stand don't penalise it sufficently. Maybe the black card will solve the problem.
Secondly, if McQuillan told COC that there was 30seconds left as Andy Moran claims well COC wasted most of those 30 seconds taking the free. I couldnt believe how long he took over it.
I hope they had sick bags for the hacks in Croke Park yesterday. I've seen some nauseating stuff from managers in all codes over the years, but Jim Gavin playing the victim takes some beating.
Congtats Dublin.
I'm in bits.
There as a neutral yesterday and thought there was a sense of almost anti climax at the finish....maybe I had bought into the Mayo dream of expecting them to finally do it, especially after the buzz generated from the minors victory.
Poor game overall, far too many turnovers and sloppy play from both sides. Fierce sympathy for Dillon, Higgins and any of the others with 4 final defeats, must be extremely hard to try and go at it again..
Haven't seen any highlights and only going on the live viewing from where I was standing.
Mayo destroyed Dublin tactically in the first half but didn't make it pay, and they ran themselves into the ground doing it. The goal kept Dublin in it and was desperately soft from a defensive point of view. The last five minutes of the first half were crucial in keeping Dublin in it and I felt at half-time Dublin would win as the game opened up. At 0-8 to 1-2, another couple of Mayo scores would have had Dublin is serious trouble.
Mannion, McCaffrey and Kilkenny sunk without trace. The occasion was just too much for them I think. Kilkenny and Mannion in particular have faded a good bit as the season has gone on. Eoghan O'Gara's introduction improved the Dublin forward line hugely - the Dublin forwards bar Brogan were hiding and he gave them an extra outlet for ball - he showed for everything and took the right decisions in possession.
Dublin were much the better team in the second half when the game started to open up, as was predictable.
Taking off Freeman and Dillon were terrible mistakes by Horan. Mayo have always been at their best with Dillon directing things. He's an intelligent and calm footballer and to take him off for the last 15 minutes meant Mayo were rudderless, and worse they replaced him with the awful Varley who isn't up to it at this level. Taking Freeman off was another stupid decision. Although Cillian O'Connor didn't get injured, there was always a chance it could happen at any stage and Mayo would then have been without their two free takers.
I thought Dublin were in huge trouble with about seven or eight minutes left with O'Carroll concussed and O'Gara crocked and no subs left. Mayo had the chance there and then but they'd taken their leaders off. Dillon's absence actually allowed Brennan free reign to go forward.
Brennan's point reminded me of Paul Clarke's in 1995 - the exact same scenario and a very similar kick.
Dublin's full back line for the last ten minutes was Rory'Carroll right corner, Paul Flynn full back and Cian O'Sullivan left cormer. Somebody here mentioned Aidan O'Shea should have gone in full forward.
Dublin's third All-Ireland in a row to be won by one point. McAuley nailed on for Footballer of the Year now. A limited footballer in terms of skill but his importance to Dublin is incredible.
Unreal occasion. I feel desperately sorry for Mayo, despite winding Mayo people up here for the last few days.
In regards to the free at the end, the ref is only allowed to tell a player how long is left or this is the last kick. He can't say there will be time for another chance. If he said there are 30 seconds left then that is fair enough but the ref played the amount of allocated time that he indicated and is not obliged to add anymore time on. The reality is if you're relying on that as your defence then you have a paper thin excuse.
The reality is that Dublin were the better side. I thought on and off the field they were sharper and made the right changes at the right times. Freeman should not have been taken off. Conroy offered very little in his place. Kevin McLaughlin gave the best Colm McMenamin impression that I have seen for a very long time. He won a world of ball but carried it fruitlessly, no return of any great note out of his ball carrying. I thought that Andy Moran and SOS should have been left on and Conroy taken off when Barry Moran was introduced. The ball was not sticking in the FF line and AOS would have been better deployed as a target to hit in the FF line with Andy Moran beside him feeding off. AOS is not a MF and would be better deployed further up the field. Dublin subs made an impact and O'Gara in particular showed he can play ball and is a perfect foil in my book for Brogan as he gets through a lot of hard running which creates serious space inside. I think a FF line of Mannion, O'Gara and Brogan is a very dangerous line as there is great balance of space, strength, speed and guile.
I don't know if Mayo can win it. I think mentally they are weak. They had their best chance of doing it this year for many years and fell up short again. Winning is a habit as is losing, when you are 5 minutes from the final whistle and someone whispers in your ear 'sure you lot lose every year, ' it has an effect on the player. I have seen it at first hand. I feel sorry for the players, it is very hard to lose any game never mind an AI final. I just don't think they are simply good enough.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 23, 2013, 11:51:14 AM
In regards to the free at the end, the ref is only allowed to tell a player how long is left or this is the last kick. He can't say there will be time for another chance. If he said there are 30 seconds left then that is fair enough but the ref played the amount of allocated time that he indicated and is not obliged to add anymore time on. The reality is if you're relying on that as your defence then you have a paper thin excuse.
I did not know that. Makes sense too now that I think about it. Define 'one more play'. Still think timekeeping needs to be tightened up, but in the context of the match yesterday, fair enough.
Wtf did Horan take SOShea off for ????? hes was miles ahead of Aidan on the day, hate to say it buckos but Aidan just doesnt have the wheels for the middle of the park
Last two weeks have been looking forward to this game. A straight shootout between the two best teams of the county.
Both teams play 6 on 6 I was told.
Was it just me, or did it look like Dublin offered a huge amount of protection to their full back line in the first half bringing lads back? Add to that the systematic fouling to curb Mayo's momentum.
Both accusations that have been thrown at teams especially Ulster. And not a peep out of The Sunday Game crew. Isn't it no wonder you'd have a chip on your shoulder. You swear the All ireland winners died, you can't say a bad thing about them.
On the other hand, Mayo shouldn't and won't feel too aggrieved about the time at the end. That hawkeye decision at the start of the game could have changed everything. At least we know that machine is 100% reliable.
I would have liked to have seen a replay as neither team showed their best yesterday. I was shouting for Mayo, but I admire Dublin's style of play. Apart from glimpses of class from Brogan they didn't show it. Another day would be fascinating.
Anyone who was at the game, how did Dublin/Mayo line out defensively? It's difficult to see on tv.
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 23, 2013, 11:51:14 AM
In regards to the free at the end, the ref is only allowed to tell a player how long is left or this is the last kick. He can't say there will be time for another chance. If he said there are 30 seconds left then that is fair enough but the ref played the amount of allocated time that he indicated and is not obliged to add anymore time on. The reality is if you're relying on that as your defence then you have a paper thin excuse.
I did not know that. Makes sense too now that I think about it. Define 'one more play'. Still think timekeeping needs to be tightened up, but in the context of the match yesterday, fair enough.
Ref's are encouraged to say about x left, leaves room for more time if needed. But commonsense should have prevailed and Mayo be allowed to make one last play. But as I've said before they weren't likely to score. Galvin should read the honest and refreshing assessment given by Horan, now that was sportsmanship.
I can't believe Gavin came out with this tirade against the ref, did he have a few drinks in him and let his guard slip? There were a few marginal calls that went against Dublin in the first half but by and large Mayos tackiling was cleaner and executed better than Dublin's and I actually thought McQuillan had a fine game in the main. Mayo could easily argue over the incorrect 45m call in the first half and the stoppage time at the end of the game.
As for McAuley being POTY, I would say the chances are slim. He is a very limited footballer in terms of ability but is an absolute workhorse and was very important to Dublin all year. However in the absence of any standout footballers it could well be that someone like the Gooch could shade it this year. Personally I think it should go to Keith Higgins who was immense yesterday in a beaten team.
Since Ciaran McDonald retired Mayo have not had a forward that demands the ball when the chips are down.
The lack of pace in the FF line is a real problem too.
Not comparing us to Mayo by any means, but we recognised the need for pace and phased out our slower forwards this year.
Just after checking the betting and it seems like the bookies reckon McAuley is nailed on:
4/6 McAuley
15/8 Cooper
8 Brogan
16 Cluxton
20 Cian O'Sullivan
Quote from: Sidney on September 23, 2013, 11:32:18 AM
Haven't seen any highlights and only going on the live viewing from where I was standing.
Mayo destroyed Dublin tactically in the first half but didn't make it pay, and they ran themselves into the ground doing it. The goal kept Dublin in it and was desperately soft from a defensive point of view. The last five minutes of the first half were crucial in keeping Dublin in it and I felt at half-time Dublin would win as the game opened up. At 0-8 to 1-2, another couple of Mayo scores would have had Dublin is serious trouble.
Mannion, McCaffrey and Kilkenny sunk without trace. The occasion was just too much for them I think. Kilkenny and Mannion in particular have faded a good bit as the season has gone on. Eoghan O'Gara's introduction improved the Dublin forward line hugely - the Dublin forwards bar Brogan were hiding and he gave them an extra outlet for ball - he showed for everything and took the right decisions in possession.
Dublin were much the better team in the second half when the game started to open up, as was predictable.
Taking off Freeman and Dillon were terrible mistakes by Horan. Mayo have always been at their best with Dillon directing things. He's an intelligent and calm footballer and to take him off for the last 15 minutes meant Mayo were rudderless, and worse they replaced him with the awful Varley who isn't up to it at this level. Taking Freeman off was another stupid decision. Although Cillian O'Connor didn't get injured, there was always a chance it could happen at any stage and Mayo would then have been without their two free takers.
I thought Dublin were in huge trouble with about seven or eight minutes left with O'Carroll concussed and O'Gara crocked and no subs left. Mayo had the chance there and then but they'd taken their leaders off. Dillon's absence actually allowed Brennan free reign to go forward.
Brennan's point reminded me of Paul Clarke's in 1995 - the exact same scenario and a very similar kick.
Dublin's full back line for the last ten minutes was Rory'Carroll right corner, Paul Flynn full back and Cian O'Sullivan left cormer. Somebody here mentioned Aidan O'Shea should have gone in full forward.
Dublin's third All-Ireland in a row to be won by one point. McAuley nailed on for Footballer of the Year now. A limited footballer in terms of skill but his importance to Dublin is incredible.
Unreal occasion. I feel desperately sorry for Mayo, despite winding Mayo people up here for the last few days.
Mannion came off injured in fairness to him. I actually think he's a good corner forward. The whole Dublin team was struggling at that stage, but as they got on top he would have done damage if he hadn't got hurt.
As for Dillon, I thought him coming off was fair enough to be honest. He wasn't giving that leadership, and his use of the ball was too laboured and deliberate. I felt himself and Kevin McLoughlin wasted good chances in the first half to set up more scores when Mayo were well on top. You can't be giving teams like Dublin escape clauses like that. A bit of vision and there were multiple crossfield passes which could have resulted in easy scores.
I don't know why Freeman was taken off. As I said earlier, it looked like Horan had it in his head that Conroy was coming on, and he looked like he was just waiting to pull the trigger on that move. Strange.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 23, 2013, 12:14:51 PM
I can't believe Gavin came out with this tirade against the ref, did he have a few drinks in him and let his guard slip? There were a few marginal calls that went against Dublin in the first half but by and large Mayos tackiling was cleaner and executed better than Dublin's and I actually thought McQuillan had a fine game in the main. Mayo could easily argue over the incorrect 45m call in the first half and the stoppage time at the end of the game.
As for McAuley being POTY, I would say the chances are slim. He is a very limited footballer in terms of ability but is an absolute workhorse and was very important to Dublin all year. However in the absence of any standout footballers it could well be that someone like the Gooch could shade it this year. Personally I think it should go to Keith Higgins who was immense yesterday in a beaten team.
Mayo cynically fouled in the semi final last year so it's hypocritical for any poster to cry wolf now. Mc Auley is an incredible player. Anyone who thinks he's average doesn't know the game. He's the heartbeat of the Dublin team.
Donegal had the monopoly on average players winning an all ireland last year.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 23, 2013, 12:26:20 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 23, 2013, 12:14:51 PM
I can't believe Gavin came out with this tirade against the ref, did he have a few drinks in him and let his guard slip? There were a few marginal calls that went against Dublin in the first half but by and large Mayos tackiling was cleaner and executed better than Dublin's and I actually thought McQuillan had a fine game in the main. Mayo could easily argue over the incorrect 45m call in the first half and the stoppage time at the end of the game.
As for McAuley being POTY, I would say the chances are slim. He is a very limited footballer in terms of ability but is an absolute workhorse and was very important to Dublin all year. However in the absence of any standout footballers it could well be that someone like the Gooch could shade it this year. Personally I think it should go to Keith Higgins who was immense yesterday in a beaten team.
Mayo cynically fouled in the semi final last year so it's hypocritical for any poster to cry wolf now. Mc Auley is an incredible player. Anyone who thinks he's average doesn't know the game. He's the heartbeat of the Dublin team.
Donegal had the monopoly on average players winning an all ireland last year.
I must go to the doctors as I find myself agreeing with you Indiana ;D Maybe it reflects on the type of player I was but to my mind MD and O'Gara are exactly the types of players that you need to win big games. Players who are the glue that make the machine bigger than the other parts that are used to make it. They win the hard ball and play the simple ball. They make the Brogans et al look like the stars that they are.
Missing the point Indy. I know everyone does it. I'd love Offaly to be in a position where a cynical foul means we win an All Ireland. What's a bit rich is Dublin saying they *weren't* cynical. I'd be saying something along the lines of " Yeah, look, that's the way these things go. The lads were out on their feet after a huge effort and really they were doing everything they could to stop Mayo winning the game. "
That's all they did, and that's all anyone else has done in the past as well. I'm no lover of Tyrone, but I respect them for all they've done, but they must be livid at how they got singled out for this.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 23, 2013, 12:26:20 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 23, 2013, 12:14:51 PM
I can't believe Gavin came out with this tirade against the ref, did he have a few drinks in him and let his guard slip? There were a few marginal calls that went against Dublin in the first half but by and large Mayos tackiling was cleaner and executed better than Dublin's and I actually thought McQuillan had a fine game in the main. Mayo could easily argue over the incorrect 45m call in the first half and the stoppage time at the end of the game.
As for McAuley being POTY, I would say the chances are slim. He is a very limited footballer in terms of ability but is an absolute workhorse and was very important to Dublin all year. However in the absence of any standout footballers it could well be that someone like the Gooch could shade it this year. Personally I think it should go to Keith Higgins who was immense yesterday in a beaten team.
Mayo cynically fouled in the semi final last year so it's hypocritical for any poster to cry wolf now. Mc Auley is an incredible player. Anyone who thinks he's average doesn't know the game. He's the heartbeat of the Dublin team.
Donegal had the monopoly on average players winning an all ireland last year.
As did Dublin the year before!!!
Quote from: Sidney on September 23, 2013, 11:32:18 AM
Haven't seen any highlights and only going on the live viewing from where I was standing.
Mayo destroyed Dublin tactically in the first half but didn't make it pay, and they ran themselves into the ground doing it. The goal kept Dublin in it and was desperately soft from a defensive point of view. The last five minutes of the first half were crucial in keeping Dublin in it and I felt at half-time Dublin would win as the game opened up. At 0-8 to 1-2, another couple of Mayo scores would have had Dublin is serious trouble.
Mannion, McCaffrey and Kilkenny sunk without trace. The occasion was just too much for them I think. Kilkenny and Mannion in particular have faded a good bit as the season has gone on. Eoghan O'Gara's introduction improved the Dublin forward line hugely - the Dublin forwards bar Brogan were hiding and he gave them an extra outlet for ball - he showed for everything and took the right decisions in possession.
Dublin were much the better team in the second half when the game started to open up, as was predictable.
Taking off Freeman and Dillon were terrible mistakes by Horan. Mayo have always been at their best with Dillon directing things. He's an intelligent and calm footballer and to take him off for the last 15 minutes meant Mayo were rudderless, and worse they replaced him with the awful Varley who isn't up to it at this level. Taking Freeman off was another stupid decision. Although Cillian O'Connor didn't get injured, there was always a chance it could happen at any stage and Mayo would then have been without their two free takers.
I thought Dublin were in huge trouble with about seven or eight minutes left with O'Carroll concussed and O'Gara crocked and no subs left. Mayo had the chance there and then but they'd taken their leaders off. Dillon's absence actually allowed Brennan free reign to go forward.
Brennan's point reminded me of Paul Clarke's in 1995 - the exact same scenario and a very similar kick.
Dublin's full back line for the last ten minutes was Rory'Carroll right corner, Paul Flynn full back and Cian O'Sullivan left cormer. Somebody here mentioned Aidan O'Shea should have gone in full forward.
Dublin's third All-Ireland in a row to be won by one point. McAuley nailed on for Footballer of the Year now. A limited footballer in terms of skill but his importance to Dublin is incredible.
Unreal occasion. I feel desperately sorry for Mayo, despite winding Mayo people up here for the last few days.
This is a good post and I agree with just about all of it.
Too disappointed to give an analysis.
But I am sure we will be back.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2013, 12:29:51 PM
Missing the point Indy. I know everyone does it. I'd love Offaly to be in a position where a cynical foul means we win an All Ireland. What's a bit rich is Dublin saying they *weren't* cynical. I'd be saying something along the lines of " Yeah, look, that's the way these things go. The lads were out on their feet after a huge effort and really they were doing everything they could to stop Mayo winning the game. "
That's all they did, and that's all anyone else has done in the past as well. I'm no lover of Tyrone, but I respect them for all they've done, but they must be livid at how they got singled out for this.
They were cynical to win. No argument there. But by that point we'd outplayed mayo. So I don't think anyone can say we needed to do it to win. It's simply a case now that teams will enforce it to get over the line. Mayo did the same to us last year in the semi. Did it cost us the game!
? No because they had already out footballed us on the day.
The legislators need to act.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 23, 2013, 12:26:20 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 23, 2013, 12:14:51 PM
I can't believe Gavin came out with this tirade against the ref, did he have a few drinks in him and let his guard slip? There were a few marginal calls that went against Dublin in the first half but by and large Mayos tackiling was cleaner and executed better than Dublin's and I actually thought McQuillan had a fine game in the main. Mayo could easily argue over the incorrect 45m call in the first half and the stoppage time at the end of the game.
As for McAuley being POTY, I would say the chances are slim. He is a very limited footballer in terms of ability but is an absolute workhorse and was very important to Dublin all year. However in the absence of any standout footballers it could well be that someone like the Gooch could shade it this year. Personally I think it should go to Keith Higgins who was immense yesterday in a beaten team.
Mayo cynically fouled in the semi final last year so it's hypocritical for any poster to cry wolf now. Mc Auley is an incredible player. Anyone who thinks he's average doesn't know the game. He's the heartbeat of the Dublin team.
Donegal had the monopoly on average players winning an all ireland last year.
He doesn't kick the ball very often and he has an awkward looking running style. But yes he was a warrior and a worker and the heartbeat of the Dublin team as you say.
I think yellowcard has a point though. He has a limited skillset not what you expect from a "Footballer" of the year. If you went back through the video tapes, I'm sure you'd find at least half a dozen examples where McAuley was one-on-one with the goalie and kicked the ball straight at him. There was the one yesterday that led to the '45. There was one in the Kerry game which he blasted over. I think Paddy O'Rourke saved one from him.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 23, 2013, 12:26:20 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 23, 2013, 12:14:51 PM
I can't believe Gavin came out with this tirade against the ref, did he have a few drinks in him and let his guard slip? There were a few marginal calls that went against Dublin in the first half but by and large Mayos tackiling was cleaner and executed better than Dublin's and I actually thought McQuillan had a fine game in the main. Mayo could easily argue over the incorrect 45m call in the first half and the stoppage time at the end of the game.
As for McAuley being POTY, I would say the chances are slim. He is a very limited footballer in terms of ability but is an absolute workhorse and was very important to Dublin all year. However in the absence of any standout footballers it could well be that someone like the Gooch could shade it this year. Personally I think it should go to Keith Higgins who was immense yesterday in a beaten team.
Mayo cynically fouled in the semi final last year so it's hypocritical for any poster to cry wolf now. Mc Auley is an incredible player. Anyone who thinks he's average doesn't know the game. He's the heartbeat of the Dublin team.
Donegal had the monopoly on average players winning an all ireland last year.
He has an incredible workrate and desire to win, but in terms of technical skill he IS average. A players player however and one worth his weight in gold to the team.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 23, 2013, 12:41:42 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 23, 2013, 12:26:20 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 23, 2013, 12:14:51 PM
I can't believe Gavin came out with this tirade against the ref, did he have a few drinks in him and let his guard slip? There were a few marginal calls that went against Dublin in the first half but by and large Mayos tackiling was cleaner and executed better than Dublin's and I actually thought McQuillan had a fine game in the main. Mayo could easily argue over the incorrect 45m call in the first half and the stoppage time at the end of the game.
As for McAuley being POTY, I would say the chances are slim. He is a very limited footballer in terms of ability but is an absolute workhorse and was very important to Dublin all year. However in the absence of any standout footballers it could well be that someone like the Gooch could shade it this year. Personally I think it should go to Keith Higgins who was immense yesterday in a beaten team.
Mayo cynically fouled in the semi final last year so it's hypocritical for any poster to cry wolf now. Mc Auley is an incredible player. Anyone who thinks he's average doesn't know the game. He's the heartbeat of the Dublin team.
Donegal had the monopoly on average players winning an all ireland last year.
He has an incredible workrate and desire to win, but in terms of technical skill he IS average. A players player however and one worth his weight in gold to the team.
'McAuley gets by because he always gives 100 per cent, but he will never be anything more than a water carrier' - although intended as an insult I always thought this paraphrased quote was more of a compliment than the intended insult.
McAuley has played a massive role for the Dubs this year, his discipline in both the application of his skills and staying on the field, has been vastly superior that other years. He even looks in far better shape to play the style that Dublin needs.
He'll do the simple things all day that require a massive amount of ability - he knows his limitations and plays to them. He worth his place on any team.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 23, 2013, 12:48:52 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 23, 2013, 12:41:42 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 23, 2013, 12:26:20 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 23, 2013, 12:14:51 PM
I can't believe Gavin came out with this tirade against the ref, did he have a few drinks in him and let his guard slip? There were a few marginal calls that went against Dublin in the first half but by and large Mayos tackiling was cleaner and executed better than Dublin's and I actually thought McQuillan had a fine game in the main. Mayo could easily argue over the incorrect 45m call in the first half and the stoppage time at the end of the game.
As for McAuley being POTY, I would say the chances are slim. He is a very limited footballer in terms of ability but is an absolute workhorse and was very important to Dublin all year. However in the absence of any standout footballers it could well be that someone like the Gooch could shade it this year. Personally I think it should go to Keith Higgins who was immense yesterday in a beaten team.
Mayo cynically fouled in the semi final last year so it's hypocritical for any poster to cry wolf now. Mc Auley is an incredible player. Anyone who thinks he's average doesn't know the game. He's the heartbeat of the Dublin team.
Donegal had the monopoly on average players winning an all ireland last year.
He has an incredible workrate and desire to win, but in terms of technical skill he IS average. A players player however and one worth his weight in gold to the team.
'McAuley gets by because he always gives 100 per cent, but he will never be anything more than a water carrier' - although intended as an insult I always thought this paraphrased quote was more of a compliment than the intended insult.
It was certainly not intended as an insult but was merely an observation.
So it's been pulled!! I wrote a lot of shit there and now the sympathy thread has gone!!! All I needed was another 30 seconds FFS
Quote from: yellowcard on September 23, 2013, 12:56:09 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 23, 2013, 12:48:52 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 23, 2013, 12:41:42 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 23, 2013, 12:26:20 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 23, 2013, 12:14:51 PM
I can't believe Gavin came out with this tirade against the ref, did he have a few drinks in him and let his guard slip? There were a few marginal calls that went against Dublin in the first half but by and large Mayos tackiling was cleaner and executed better than Dublin's and I actually thought McQuillan had a fine game in the main. Mayo could easily argue over the incorrect 45m call in the first half and the stoppage time at the end of the game.
As for McAuley being POTY, I would say the chances are slim. He is a very limited footballer in terms of ability but is an absolute workhorse and was very important to Dublin all year. However in the absence of any standout footballers it could well be that someone like the Gooch could shade it this year. Personally I think it should go to Keith Higgins who was immense yesterday in a beaten team.
Mayo cynically fouled in the semi final last year so it's hypocritical for any poster to cry wolf now. Mc Auley is an incredible player. Anyone who thinks he's average doesn't know the game. He's the heartbeat of the Dublin team.
Donegal had the monopoly on average players winning an all ireland last year.
He has an incredible workrate and desire to win, but in terms of technical skill he IS average. A players player however and one worth his weight in gold to the team.
'McAuley gets by because he always gives 100 per cent, but he will never be anything more than a water carrier' - although intended as an insult I always thought this paraphrased quote was more of a compliment than the intended insult.
It was certainly not intended as an insult but was merely an observation.
The original quote by Cantona was an insult against Deschamp in an attempt to rise him before an important CL game, not you about McAualey.
Can any player become POTY or do they need POTY training ?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2013, 12:57:54 PM
So it's been pulled!! I wrote a lot of shit there and now the sympathy thread has gone!!! All I needed was another 30 seconds FFS
was quite enjoying that thread.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2013, 12:57:54 PM
So it's been pulled!! I wrote a lot of shit there and now the sympathy thread has gone!!! All I needed was another 30 seconds FFS
was quite enjoying that thread.
ONeill should get a ban along with it.
Great idea.
Then we could start a '
No sympathy for O'Neill' thread.
Quote from: muppet on September 23, 2013, 01:06:34 PM
Great idea.
Then we could start a 'No sympathy for O'Neill' thread.
I don't think that tumbleweed gif would be able to take the strain.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2013, 12:57:54 PM
So it's been pulled!! I wrote a lot of shit there and now the sympathy thread has gone!!! All I needed was another 30 seconds FFS
Chin up.
There's always next year.
Mayo just seemed paralysed in that last 10 minutes. Even with the team they had on the pitch, Dublin were still there for the taking. Paul Flynn was playing full back. Yet it seemed to me as if Mayo were playing a one man full forward line, with just Conroy, who is not a big man, up there. When Mayo attacked there was nobody there to send it in to.
It was crying out for a big man to be thrown in there. And Mayo also needed somebody with the pig ignorance to not let the situation affect them, to demand the ball and be selfish. Somebody like Conor Mortimer. I don't think he would have hidden, anyway.
Poor enough game but feck it .We've played enough so called champagne football this year anyway. Felt we should have won by more and some of our decision making in the last 10 minutes was poor. However considering we played them with effectively 13 men (O'Gara and O'Carroll) we dug it out well.
Hard luck to Mayo but now I know where all the spare tickets went - never seen such a crowd from one team at a final and some noise when the minors won.
Mayo's defence were superb but their lack of firepower ultimately cost them. I thought it was our desire and bottle that won it as well as Berno's touch of class when called upon and Ger Brennan's point was some score as well.
Thanks for a great year lads
Well done to Dublin and congratulations on there victory. They've being the team to beat all year.
Obviously I'm desperately disappointed. I'm disappointed as this team of Mayo is as good as I ever seen, and I know it's going to hard to see them having this chance for sometime to come. With that in mind I can only think of a chat I had with an elderly guy walking from Croke Park. He asked, 'How long can we keep going and supporting Mayo? to which I replied We keep going as long as it takes!!! and with that ... we take this on the chin, as we always do, and keep going, thriving for the ultimate prize.
Quote from: Sidney on September 23, 2013, 01:12:12 PM
Somebody like Conor Mortimer. I don't think he would have hidden, anyway.
Jesus, this isn't good for my health.
Chat to ye later. Going for a run.
Well done Dublin again, had the balls to take the game when it was in the melting pot. We didn't.
Sin é
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on September 23, 2013, 11:03:48 AM
Regarding the cynical fouling at the end of the match. Mayo did exactly the same to us at for the last 20 minutes of last years semi final. As a Dub I'm not proud of it and would of preferred if we had stayed playing attacking football. However the rules as they currently stand don't penalise it sufficently. Maybe the black card will solve the problem.
Too true, but I'd say Mayo were worse cynics in last year's semi final.
At least my impression was that the Dubs had the energy and drive to claw the game back, but for the cynical fouling last year.
Dublin actually didn't need the cynical fouling yesterday, they were in the supremacy.
Gavin would have been better off saying, 'we play the game to Mayo as they played it against us',
has a biblical ring to it.
For good or ill the consensus seems to be that deliberate fouling is acceptable. You commit the crime, you do the time. If the time doesn't match the crime, that's not the fault of the players. Gavin can't even admit that much though.
That's more or less it deiseach. If you need to foul cynically, then you're obviously subject to the appropriate sanction. If that sanction is not firm enough, that is a different matter.
Picture next years final. Dublin are beating Mayo by 3 points with 10 minutes to go. Dublin had all their subs used. Does Bernard Brogan, Eoghan O'Gara or Kevin McMenamon (to pick just 3) do the same thing, knowing that a black card is going to be the outcome? I don't think they do, but I suppose it's moot until we see it in action.
Quote from: deiseach on September 23, 2013, 02:20:25 PM
For good or ill the consensus seems to be that deliberate fouling is acceptable. You commit the crime, you do the time. If the time doesn't match the crime, that's not the fault of the players. Gavin can't even admit that much though.
I don't think people find it acceptable. There is a ground swell of opinion that the game would be better off without that kind of thing, it's just a matter of finding ways that will work to minimise it.
But maybe you're mixing acceptable with that it's generally accepted that under the current rules, players can do that and virtually kill off a game in the ugliest way possible with 10/15 minutes to go
All I hope for the black card is that people give it a chance.
That means fans/players/managers.
The nature of modern communication means that people are prone to massive knee-jerk reactions.
There will be a bedding-in process and I don't want to hear any whinging after the first game where it's implemented.
Quote from: Main Street on September 23, 2013, 02:26:39 PM
I don't think people find it acceptable. There is a ground swell of opinion that the game would be better off without that kind of thing, it's just a matter of finding ways that will work.
But maybe you're mixing acceptable with that it's generally accepted that under the current rules, players can do that and virtually kill off a game in the ugliest way possible with 10/15 minutes to go
Yes, 'acceptable' is probably the wrong word. I think no-one - Brolly has learned his lesson - is going to denounce a player for doing it. Given that, I can't understand why Jim Gavin just didn't shrug his shoulders, as everyone else has done up to this point, and say it's part of the game. I wonder whether he has been seduced by the hype about Dublin playing the game the right way and can't accept being lumped in with those savages.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 23, 2013, 02:29:43 PM
All I hope for the black card is that people give it a chance.
That means fans/players/managers.
The nature of modern communication means that people are prone to massive knee-jerk reactions.
There will be a bedding-in process and I don't want to hear any whinging after the first game where it's implemented.
2 chances of that, and slim just left town. Of course the main complainants will be the managers and the players, and then when we have our first defeated team due to poor discipline, we'll have their supporters.
I just hope the GAA stick to their guns and give it a full year.
Quote from: deiseach on September 23, 2013, 02:30:53 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 23, 2013, 02:26:39 PM
I don't think people find it acceptable. There is a ground swell of opinion that the game would be better off without that kind of thing, it's just a matter of finding ways that will work.
But maybe you're mixing acceptable with that it's generally accepted that under the current rules, players can do that and virtually kill off a game in the ugliest way possible with 10/15 minutes to go
Yes, 'acceptable' is probably the wrong word. I think no-one - Brolly has learned his lesson - is going to denounce a player for doing it. Given that, I can't understand why Jim Gavin just didn't shrug his shoulders, as everyone else has done up to this point, and say it's part of the game. I wonder whether he has been seduced by the hype about Dublin playing the game the right way and can't accept being lumped in with those savages.
And it's sorta ironic that Cavanagh took the brunt of Brolly's ire, when Cavanagh just acted out of desperation/instinct to drag down a player going through on goal, whereas the cynicism that probably most would frown upon, is the tactic of cynical fouling anywhere out the field, to kill time and momentum in the last 15 minutes.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 22, 2013, 09:38:39 PM
For all the talk of Dublin's superiority and Mayo forwards being poor, there was only a point in it. Suggesting that Dublin forwards can just click and start rattling the twines at some future stage is a bit speculative. Top drawer shooters don't keep hitting the keeper with their shots. Bernard Brogan is sheer class, but had he not shown up today I'm not sure the rest could have pulled them through.
You're judging Dublin on just one game.
Remember Dublin are League Champions (after losing only one game), Leinster Champions and now All Ireland Champions – what more does a team have to do to prove its class?
Quote from: Main Street on September 23, 2013, 02:48:18 PM
And it's sorta ironic that Cavanagh took the brunt of Brolly's ire, when Cavanagh just acted out of desperation/instinct to drag down a player going through on goal, whereas the cynicism that probably most would frown upon, is the tactic of cynical fouling anywhere out the field, to kill time and momentum in the last 15 minutes.
You make a good point.
Quote from: Main Street on September 23, 2013, 02:48:18 PM
Quote from: deiseach on September 23, 2013, 02:30:53 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 23, 2013, 02:26:39 PM
I don't think people find it acceptable. There is a ground swell of opinion that the game would be better off without that kind of thing, it's just a matter of finding ways that will work.
But maybe you're mixing acceptable with that it's generally accepted that under the current rules, players can do that and virtually kill off a game in the ugliest way possible with 10/15 minutes to go
Yes, 'acceptable' is probably the wrong word. I think no-one - Brolly has learned his lesson - is going to denounce a player for doing it. Given that, I can't understand why Jim Gavin just didn't shrug his shoulders, as everyone else has done up to this point, and say it's part of the game. I wonder whether he has been seduced by the hype about Dublin playing the game the right way and can't accept being lumped in with those savages.
And it's sorta ironic that Cavanagh took the brunt of Brolly's ire, when Cavanagh just acted out of desperation/instinct to drag down a player going through on goal, whereas the cynicism that probably most would frown upon, is the tactic of cynical fouling anywhere out the field, to kill time and momentum in the last 15 minutes.
Exactly, back at that time I was at pains to point out that Brolly had picked a crap example to highlight his point re cynicism, and was actually hurting the crusade to look at the really insidious stuff, which is what Dublin (and every other team in Ireland would do) did on Sunday in the last 10 minutes.
I'm not so sure the black card is going to have much impact in the last couple minutes of a 2 or 3 point game where the serial fouling occurs.
In fact it will probably slow the game down even more as the ref has to administer the sanction and the player possibly argues with the ref, traipses off and generally kills time. It becomes an even bigger momentum breaker as the defending team gets more time to re-organise.
How about giving the referee the option of adding a minute onto the clock for every such yellow/black offence and making the punishment a 20 metre free in front of goal? It would a more targeted and situation appropriate.
As I've said before the black card becomes a lower impact punishment as the game progresses, yet the impact of the black card offences increases. Losing a man right at the death is always not a massive price to pay, whereas conceding an easy scoring chances might well be.
right at the death, no. But Dublin went for this with 10 minutes left at least. I don't think they'd have done that if they were going to get the line with 10 minutes left. With 2 or 3 left, then yes, possibly, but again I'd say only if they had subs to come on. It would be a rare enough circumstance where a foul and black card, reducing you to 14, would be worth a foul 70 yards out.
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Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 22, 2013, 09:38:39 PM
For all the talk of Dublin's superiority and Mayo forwards being poor, there was only a point in it. Suggesting that Dublin forwards can just click and start rattling the twines at some future stage is a bit speculative. Top drawer shooters don't keep hitting the keeper with their shots. Bernard Brogan is sheer class, but had he not shown up today I'm not sure the rest could have pulled them through.
You're judging Dublin on just one game.
Remember Dublin are League Champions (after losing only one game), Leinster Champions and now All Ireland Champions – what more does a team have to do to prove its class?
Win the O'Byrne Cup.
:P
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2013, 03:25:20 PM
right at the death, no. But Dublin went for this with 10 minutes left at least. I don't think they'd have done that if they were going to get the line with 10 minutes left. With 2 or 3 left, then yes, possibly, but again I'd say only if they had subs to come on. It would be a rare enough circumstance where a foul and black card, reducing you to 14, would be worth a foul 70 yards out.
The prospect of conceding a 20 metre free would also discourage the corner forward from rugby tackling the corner back way up the field as well. Both punishments could be issued if needs be.
Absolutely.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 23, 2013, 02:55:00 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 22, 2013, 09:38:39 PM
For all the talk of Dublin's superiority and Mayo forwards being poor, there was only a point in it. Suggesting that Dublin forwards can just click and start rattling the twines at some future stage is a bit speculative. Top drawer shooters don't keep hitting the keeper with their shots. Bernard Brogan is sheer class, but had he not shown up today I'm not sure the rest could have pulled them through.
You're judging Dublin on just one game.
Remember Dublin are League Champions (after losing only one game), Leinster Champions and now All Ireland Champions – what more does a team have to do to prove its class?
It has to win the Munster championship.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 23, 2013, 03:18:46 PM
I'm not so sure the black card is going to have much impact in the last couple minutes of a 2 or 3 point game where the serial fouling occurs.
In fact it will probably slow the game down even more as the ref has to administer the sanction and the player possibly argues with the ref, traipses off and generally kills time. It becomes an even bigger momentum breaker as the defending team gets more time to re-organise.
How about giving the referee the option of adding a minute onto the clock for every such yellow/black offence and making the punishment a 20 metre free in front of goal? It would a more targeted and situation appropriate.
As I've said before the black card becomes a lower impact punishment as the game progresses, yet the impact of the black card offences increases. Losing a man right at the death is always not a massive price to pay, whereas conceding an easy scoring chances might well be.
I think a 20 yard free would be a great idea
Quote from: seafoid on September 23, 2013, 03:51:01 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 23, 2013, 03:18:46 PM
I'm not so sure the black card is going to have much impact in the last couple minutes of a 2 or 3 point game where the serial fouling occurs.
In fact it will probably slow the game down even more as the ref has to administer the sanction and the player possibly argues with the ref, traipses off and generally kills time. It becomes an even bigger momentum breaker as the defending team gets more time to re-organise.
How about giving the referee the option of adding a minute onto the clock for every such yellow/black offence and making the punishment a 20 metre free in front of goal? It would a more targeted and situation appropriate.
As I've said before the black card becomes a lower impact punishment as the game progresses, yet the impact of the black card offences increases. Losing a man right at the death is always not a massive price to pay, whereas conceding an easy scoring chances might well be.
I think a 20 yard free would be a great idea
This discussion is going down the Basketball team fouls route.
First off, congrats to Dublin on winning the Sam - the best team won. They took their chances when they were on top and we hit a lot of stupid wides early on when we had our spell on top. Secondly, if this post makes no sense, it's because I'm just so trína chéile at this moment in time.
As I said already we were on top early on in the game. I thought that a good start would be crucial. We were on top for the first 10 minutes, but McLoughlin and O'Connor had 2 bad wides each. We still lead by 3 points. Then bang, goal number one, what Hennelly was at, I'll never know, but it was a c**k-up on his part coming off the line like that. Seamie O'Shea responded with a point and it was tit for tat for the remainder of the first half. Despite leading at half time by one, I was given hope that something good could come out of the game and we could win it. The Dubs played their best football in the third quarter. They completely nullified the O'Sheas influence throughout the game with breaking ball, which our lads weren't able to get their hands on.
I was hoping that Mayo's forwards and halfbacks and midfield would step up to the mark yesterday. Midfield and forwards let them down big time. I cannot understand Horan taking Freeman off so early. He scored a point and won a free inn the time he was on the field, and then we started launching high balls in on top of Cillian with a bad shoulder and Andy who was beaten well for pace, Freeman, had he been left on I feel would have done some damage with the high balls. Another thing that left me with question marks...why was Cunniffe taken off? Surely to Christ if anyone deserved to be taken off it was Vaughan. Carolan along with the rest of the forward unit offered nothing. It didn't go right for Conroy either I thought. Would Feeney have won more breaking ball around the middle when the chips were down, like he did last year in the final?
Fair play to Dublin though, deserving champions. It seems as if every other county will win Sam before we do again. But it was only by one point. Those are the breaks I suppose. Mayo never seem to f**king get any. About the free at the end, he should have gone for goal... I'm devastated.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 23, 2013, 04:20:44 PM
First off, congrats to Dublin on winning the Sam - the best team won. They took their chances when they were on top and we hit a lot of stupid wides early on when we had our spell on top. Secondly, if this post makes no sense, it's because I'm just so trína chéile at this moment in time.
As I said already we were on top early on in the game. I thought that a good start would be crucial. We were on top for the first 10 minutes, but McLoughlin and O'Connor had 2 bad wides each. We still lead by 3 points. Then bang, goal number one, what Hennelly was at, I'll never know, but it was a c**k-up on his part coming off the line like that. Seamie O'Shea responded with a point and it was tit for tat for the remainder of the first half. Despite leading at half time by one, I was given hope that something good could come out of the game and we could win it. The Dubs played their best football in the third quarter. They completely nullified the O'Sheas influence throughout the game with breaking ball, which our lads weren't able to get their hands on.
I was hoping that Mayo's forwards and halfbacks and midfield would step up to the mark yesterday. Midfield and forwards let them down big time. I cannot understand Horan taking Freeman off so early. He scored a point and won a free inn the time he was on the field, and then we started launching high balls in on top of Cillian with a bad shoulder and Andy who was beaten well for pace, Freeman, had he been left on I feel would have done some damage with the high balls. Another thing that left me with question marks...why was Cunniffe taken off? Surely to Christ if anyone deserved to be taken off it was Vaughan. Carolan along with the rest of the forward unit offered nothing. It didn't go right for Conroy either I thought. Would Feeney have won more breaking ball around the middle when the chips were down, like he did last year in the final?
Fair play to Dublin though, deserving champions. It seems as if every other county will win Sam before we do again. But it was only by one point. Those are the breaks I suppose. Mayo never seem to f**king get any. About the free at the end, he should have gone for goal... I'm devastated.
Cunniffe was injured. Pity he started well on mannion. Mannion getting injured worked to our advantage as O Gara did damage when he came on. He said Freeman had the flu. Looked ok to me!
I would say Conroy was flying in training and Horan wanted to get him in ASAP. Didn't work unfortunately.
You need a mobile midfielder. I'm not sure O Se will get away with his lack of pace at midfield much longer. His brother is the more effective midfielder.
Well done to Dublin, better team won. Neither team will be happy with its display as the final failed to live up to its billing. Feel for Mayo but they've been here before and one day they will get over the line. Cluxtons kickouts were key yesterday, haven't seen the stats yet but he invariably found his man. Deadly accurate, especially when going with a low trajectory down a narrow channel to the runner. Very surprised at the early substitution of Freeman and not moving AOS inside when it was clear they needed a goal. And where was Richie Feeney?
Mayo will spend the winter ruing their wastefulness in front of goal in the first half and Cafferkey will shudder at letting Brogan out in front of him for the goal (had a good game on him apart from that). Lee Keegan deserves a special mention for Mayo, thought he was outstanding, nailed on for an All Star.
Absolutely shattered after that. Really believed that this was finally our year. There was such belief around this team. Gutted for the players and management. Don't know where we are going from this defeat. If James stays (highly unlikely) I'll back them to have another go but if he and his back room team depart, I will be seriously concerned about where we are heading.
Too many ifs, buts and maybes to talk about just yet.
Out of the 7 finals (including the 96 replay) this one is definitely the hardest one to take. It will probably be next year before the wounds fully heal and I watch the game back.
RE. The substitutions, I heard on Saturday that Freeman was at the doctor that morning with a sore throat and had a dose of the flu. I also seen Sean Moffett going over to him shortly before he went off. Cunniffe was injured and O'Gara was winning most ball that was going in that direction. As for Seamie going off and the non appearance of Feeney I really have no clue.
Congratulations to Dublin, overall the better team. Enjoy the celebrations.
Heart wrenching stuff, but we're Mayo so we'll be back.
Quote from: muppet on September 23, 2013, 03:52:41 PM
This discussion is going down the Basketball team fouls route.
That's a scenario that has a lot of merit, in my opinion. While the "cynical fouling" may be tactically astute and deemed appropriate to many as a way to close out a game, it is not in the spirit of the sport. Deliberate Fouling should not be viewed as a positive thing. We should be encouraging and facilitating scoring, and the dis-incentive against cynical fouling should be quite severe so that it is a real deterrent.
Imagine if those last few pull-downs saw Mayo march up directly to the 20 metre line for a free. I think that would be appropriate punishment for defenders who fail to defend within the rules. Ultimately, I would like to see this action accompany the new Black-Card system.
The rub with all of these proposals is that they could well be a charter for divers. Imagine me losing by two points with 5 minutes to go (or actually at any time in the game). Lad comes in to tackle me, I hook his arm and pull him down on top of me. Get up in high dudgeon, fire the ball off the ground, roar at the ref etc etc. Lad protests his innocence but gets his black card and I trot up to the 20 metre line to take my point.
It's not too hard to picture carnage there. So what I'd like to see is a counterweight. If the referee deems you have dived or engineered the free, you are the one who gets the black card. But then you are placing an awful burden on the already struggling refs.
I'm interested in the black card and seeing how it goes, but if I am mister cynical coach, I'm telling my lads to try and get the opposition's best player the black card in the first 20 minutes. Run at him lads, and go down roaring.
Thats worse cheating in my book.
Refs rarely fall for the arm-dragging thing anymore.
To be honest we can imagine all sorts of scenarios where players will try to exploit the rule but it's undobtedly a step in the right direction.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 23, 2013, 03:18:46 PM
I'm not so sure the black card is going to have much impact in the last couple minutes of a 2 or 3 point game where the serial fouling occurs.
In fact it will probably slow the game down even more as the ref has to administer the sanction and the player possibly argues with the ref, traipses off and generally kills time. It becomes an even bigger momentum breaker as the defending team gets more time to re-organise.
How about giving the referee the option of adding a minute onto the clock for every such yellow/black offence and making the punishment a 20 metre free in front of goal? It would a more targeted and situation appropriate.
As I've said before the black card becomes a lower impact punishment as the game progresses, yet the impact of the black card offences increases. Losing a man right at the death is always not a massive price to pay, whereas conceding an easy scoring chances might well be.
Just on this - and not to derail the thread or anything, but yesterday's game raised two points. For a black card, the fouling player would be replaced, and a team is allowed six substitutions in total to compensate. However it hasn't been clarified what would happen in the event of a black card after those six subs have been used. Would an extra sub then be allowed? Can a player who was taken off be reintroduced? Because if so, that would have been a very handy option for O'Carroll or O'Gara.
On the match itself, I thought Dublin were marginally the better team and so I don't feel sorry for Mayo any more than I would naturally feel sorry for any team that lost out on All Ireland final Sunday after a long year, however I would be fascinated to hear what exactly Joe McQuillan said to Cillian O'Connor. Perhaps there was grey area in what he said and Mayo have misinterpreted what he said, but I can see why that would hurt badly if he told them that there would be thirty more seconds to be played after the kickout and then he blew up straight away. If that was the case, O'Connor did the right thing in kicking the ball over the bar, only to hear a whistle he didn't expect.
As an Offaly supporter, I've seen hundreds of refereeing decisions for and against us down the years, and while you might be upset on the day, you'll always come to the conclusion that referees are human and they make mistakes, just like everyone else. The only one I've never come to terms with has been that bit of malevolence referred to earlier in the thread in 2002, when Paddy Russell told Colm Quinn that there was more time to play (I was down at that end of the ground so I actually heard him say it), so he tapped the ball over the bar and then the whistle was blown while the ball was in the air for the kickout. That was deliberate, intentional and I've no idea why Russell wanted Kildare to win that game, but he clearly did and I'll never forgive or forget. I still remember how genuinely and violently angry I felt at that, and it actually surprised me that I still felt the same thing when I was covering a match in Nenagh a few years ago and Russell was there on the terrace - I had to take a deep breath and move away or else I would have gone over to him.
I really hope that this isn't what happened here.
It's not that there should have been extra time, or that a goal was likely - there would have been a 5% chance of a goal at best, either yesterday or eleven years ago. But players are entitled to know the lie of the land and to react accordingly. If O'Connor had blasted the ball at goals and it was cleared, then it would be a lot easier for the players and indeed the supporters to live with it over the next twelve months.
Well done Dublin too. They've really entertained us this year and a slightly disappointing final doesn't undo the fact that they were a joy to watch all through the summer.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2013, 04:55:19 PM
The rub with all of these proposals is that they could well be a charter for divers. Imagine me losing by two points with 5 minutes to go (or actually at any time in the game). Lad comes in to tackle me, I hook his arm and pull him down on top of me. Get up in high dudgeon, fire the ball off the ground, roar at the ref etc etc. Lad protests his innocence but gets his black card and I trot up to the 20 metre line to take my point.
It's not too hard to picture carnage there. So what I'd like to see is a counterweight. If the referee deems you have dived or engineered the free, you are the one who gets the black card. But then you are placing an awful burden on the already struggling refs.
I'm interested in the black card and seeing how it goes, but if I am mister cynical coach, I'm telling my lads to try and get the opposition's best player the black card in the first 20 minutes. Run at him lads, and go down roaring.
Thats worse cheating in my book.
Will this not be one of fouls where you could get a black card next year?
It is pulling down a man, it will be a brave/stupid forward to try it next year as you could end up in the dugout and no free won (cheated) for your team.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 23, 2013, 12:52:12 AM
Commiserations to Mayo. But I think Mayo and Dublin are the teams to beat over the next 2-3 years. there is an all-Ireland in this Mayo team. Hard luck today, but Keep the faith.
I think Cork with a new manager coming in, with some fresh ideas can make them in a strong force over the next few years. Colm O Neill was missing this year , one of the top young forwards in the Country.
Would be great to see Mayo win it someday, but I think yesterday was their best chance. That defeat could set them back, but who ya never know.
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 23, 2013, 05:05:46 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 23, 2013, 12:52:12 AM
Commiserations to Mayo. But I think Mayo and Dublin are the teams to beat over the next 2-3 years. there is an all-Ireland in this Mayo team. Hard luck today, but Keep the faith.
I think Cork with a new manager coming in, with some fresh ideas can make them in a strong force over the next few years. Colm O Neill was missing this year , one of the top young forwards in the Country.
Would be great to see Mayo win it someday, but I think yesterday was their best chance. That defeat could set them back, but who ya never know.
He'll never be the player he could have been unfortunately.
Quote from: Lone Shark on September 23, 2013, 05:01:50 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 23, 2013, 03:18:46 PM
I'm not so sure the black card is going to have much impact in the last couple minutes of a 2 or 3 point game where the serial fouling occurs.
In fact it will probably slow the game down even more as the ref has to administer the sanction and the player possibly argues with the ref, traipses off and generally kills time. It becomes an even bigger momentum breaker as the defending team gets more time to re-organise.
How about giving the referee the option of adding a minute onto the clock for every such yellow/black offence and making the punishment a 20 metre free in front of goal? It would a more targeted and situation appropriate.
As I've said before the black card becomes a lower impact punishment as the game progresses, yet the impact of the black card offences increases. Losing a man right at the death is always not a massive price to pay, whereas conceding an easy scoring chances might well be.
Just on this - and not to derail the thread or anything, but yesterday's game raised two points. For a black card, the fouling player would be replaced, and a team is allowed six substitutions in total to compensate. However it hasn't been clarified what would happen in the event of a black card after those six subs have been used. Would an extra sub then be allowed? Can a player who was taken off be reintroduced? Because if so, that would have been a very handy option for O'Carroll or O'Gara.
On the match itself, I thought Dublin were marginally the better team and so I don't feel sorry for Mayo any more than I would naturally feel sorry for any team that lost out on All Ireland final Sunday after a long year, however I would be fascinated to hear what exactly Joe McQuillan said to Cillian O'Connor. Perhaps there was grey area in what he said and Mayo have misinterpreted what he said, but I can see why that would hurt badly if he told them that there would be thirty more seconds to be played after the kickout and then he blew up straight away. If that was the case, O'Connor did the right thing in kicking the ball over the bar, only to hear a whistle he didn't expect.
As an Offaly supporter, I've seen hundreds of refereeing decisions for and against us down the years, and while you might be upset on the day, you'll always come to the conclusion that referees are human and they make mistakes, just like everyone else. The only one I've never come to terms with has been that bit of malevolence referred to earlier in the thread in 2002, when Paddy Russell told Colm Quinn that there was more time to play (I was down at that end of the ground so I actually heard him say it), so he tapped the ball over the bar and then the whistle was blown while the ball was in the air for the kickout. That was deliberate, intentional and I've no idea why Russell wanted Kildare to win that game, but he clearly did and I'll never forgive or forget. I still remember how genuinely and violently angry I felt at that, and it actually surprised me that I still felt the same thing when I was covering a match in Nenagh a few years ago and Russell was there on the terrace - I had to take a deep breath and move away or else I would have gone over to him.
I really hope that this isn't what happened here.
It's not that there should have been extra time, or that a goal was likely - there would have been a 5% chance of a goal at best, either yesterday or eleven years ago. But players are entitled to know the lie of the land and to react accordingly. If O'Connor had blasted the ball at goals and it was cleared, then it would be a lot easier for the players and indeed the supporters to live with it over the next twelve months.
Well done Dublin too. They've really entertained us this year and a slightly disappointing final doesn't undo the fact that they were a joy to watch all through the summer.
I'm pretty sure the black cardee can be replaced UP TO 3 times, all of whom come out of your 6 subs allowance. If you reach your 6 subs, or your 3 black cards, and incur another one, then you're down to 14 and so on.
Yesterday, assuming that the Dubs had used all their subs, Brogan, O'Gara and McMenamon would all have gone and you'd have another 12 apostles victory.
Dublin footballers visited the Crumlin Hospital for sick children today. Very nice gesture.
http://balls.ie/gaa/pictures-melt-heart/14/ (http://balls.ie/gaa/pictures-melt-heart/14/)
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2013, 05:14:20 PM
Quote from: Lone Shark on September 23, 2013, 05:01:50 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 23, 2013, 03:18:46 PM
I'm not so sure the black card is going to have much impact in the last couple minutes of a 2 or 3 point game where the serial fouling occurs.
In fact it will probably slow the game down even more as the ref has to administer the sanction and the player possibly argues with the ref, traipses off and generally kills time. It becomes an even bigger momentum breaker as the defending team gets more time to re-organise.
How about giving the referee the option of adding a minute onto the clock for every such yellow/black offence and making the punishment a 20 metre free in front of goal? It would a more targeted and situation appropriate.
As I've said before the black card becomes a lower impact punishment as the game progresses, yet the impact of the black card offences increases. Losing a man right at the death is always not a massive price to pay, whereas conceding an easy scoring chances might well be.
Just on this - and not to derail the thread or anything, but yesterday's game raised two points. For a black card, the fouling player would be replaced, and a team is allowed six substitutions in total to compensate. However it hasn't been clarified what would happen in the event of a black card after those six subs have been used. Would an extra sub then be allowed? Can a player who was taken off be reintroduced? Because if so, that would have been a very handy option for O'Carroll or O'Gara.
On the match itself, I thought Dublin were marginally the better team and so I don't feel sorry for Mayo any more than I would naturally feel sorry for any team that lost out on All Ireland final Sunday after a long year, however I would be fascinated to hear what exactly Joe McQuillan said to Cillian O'Connor. Perhaps there was grey area in what he said and Mayo have misinterpreted what he said, but I can see why that would hurt badly if he told them that there would be thirty more seconds to be played after the kickout and then he blew up straight away. If that was the case, O'Connor did the right thing in kicking the ball over the bar, only to hear a whistle he didn't expect.
As an Offaly supporter, I've seen hundreds of refereeing decisions for and against us down the years, and while you might be upset on the day, you'll always come to the conclusion that referees are human and they make mistakes, just like everyone else. The only one I've never come to terms with has been that bit of malevolence referred to earlier in the thread in 2002, when Paddy Russell told Colm Quinn that there was more time to play (I was down at that end of the ground so I actually heard him say it), so he tapped the ball over the bar and then the whistle was blown while the ball was in the air for the kickout. That was deliberate, intentional and I've no idea why Russell wanted Kildare to win that game, but he clearly did and I'll never forgive or forget. I still remember how genuinely and violently angry I felt at that, and it actually surprised me that I still felt the same thing when I was covering a match in Nenagh a few years ago and Russell was there on the terrace - I had to take a deep breath and move away or else I would have gone over to him.
I really hope that this isn't what happened here.
It's not that there should have been extra time, or that a goal was likely - there would have been a 5% chance of a goal at best, either yesterday or eleven years ago. But players are entitled to know the lie of the land and to react accordingly. If O'Connor had blasted the ball at goals and it was cleared, then it would be a lot easier for the players and indeed the supporters to live with it over the next twelve months.
Well done Dublin too. They've really entertained us this year and a slightly disappointing final doesn't undo the fact that they were a joy to watch all through the summer.
I'm pretty sure the black cardee can be replaced UP TO 3 times, all of whom come out of your 6 subs allowance. If you reach your 6 subs, or your 3 black cards, and incur another one, then you're down to 14 and so on.
Yesterday, assuming that the Dubs had used all their subs, Brogan, O'Gara and McMenamon would all have gone and you'd have another 12 apostles victory.
Yes, this is certainly the plan for the new rule. If you have used all your 6 subs and then incur a black-card, the offender cannot be replaced. If you have not used your 6 subs whenyour team incurs it's 4th black-card, that 4th offender cannot be replaced.
I'm really looking forward to the first time that a team goes down to 14 men due to black-cards, to see what the reaction will be. I really hope it happens to Tyrone, because I reckon the best reaction would come from the likes of Mickey Harte. >:(
Quick question. When the black card comes in can you get sent off in every match or is there an accumulation were after so many in a row you miss the next match?
Quote from: Throw ball on September 23, 2013, 06:01:09 PM
Quick question. When the black card comes in can you get sent off in every match or is there an accumulation were after so many in a row you miss the next match?
Fairly sure you can foul away in peace.
Its not going to work as a proposal fellas.
As I've said before the solution is to bring any delibarate cynical foul in any area of the pitch up to being a 20m free in.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 23, 2013, 12:26:20 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 23, 2013, 12:14:51 PM
I can't believe Gavin came out with this tirade against the ref, did he have a few drinks in him and let his guard slip? There were a few marginal calls that went against Dublin in the first half but by and large Mayos tackiling was cleaner and executed better than Dublin's and I actually thought McQuillan had a fine game in the main. Mayo could easily argue over the incorrect 45m call in the first half and the stoppage time at the end of the game.
As for McAuley being POTY, I would say the chances are slim. He is a very limited footballer in terms of ability but is an absolute workhorse and was very important to Dublin all year. However in the absence of any standout footballers it could well be that someone like the Gooch could shade it this year. Personally I think it should go to Keith Higgins who was immense yesterday in a beaten team.
Does that mean Donegal were the greatest ever TEAM to win an all-ireland?
Mayo cynically fouled in the semi final last year so it's hypocritical for any poster to cry wolf now. Mc Auley is an incredible player. Anyone who thinks he's average doesn't know the game. He's the heartbeat of the Dublin team.
Donegal had the monopoly on average players winning an all ireland last year.
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The ref told COC there was 30 seconds left. 30 seconds later the ref blew the full time whistle.
The clock doesn't stop when the ball is not in play. "30 seconds left" means "you need a goal chap".
Met a Mayo friend after the match and could barely talk he was that upset/disappointed. Could only feel sympathy, but I think on the day we deserved the victory. We'd no choice but to try and run down the clock in the last 10 mins when we were down to 13 men for all intents and purposes. Would have been nicer to win with a bit more style, but that was the way the chips fell.
Quote from: Hound on September 23, 2013, 06:44:16 PM
The ref told COC there was 30 seconds left. 30 seconds later the ref blew the full time whistle.
The clock doesn't stop when the ball is not in play. "30 seconds left" means "you need a goal chap".
Met a Mayo friend after the match and could barely talk he was that upset/disappointed. Could only feel sympathy, but I think on the day we deserved the victory. We'd no choice but to try and run down the clock in the last 10 mins when we were down to 13 men for all intents and purposes. Would have been nicer to win with a bit more style, but that was the way the chips fell.
Yeah, a slightly tarnished win. I'm glad now, we'll wait for another time and do it in real style ;) :P
Congrats to Dublin. You fully deserved your win.
Commiserations to Mayo. Bad day at the office. Too many key guys underperformed..... Aidan O'Se, Dillon, Cafferky, McLaughlin, Cillian O'Connor...... Vaughan also had his least influential match all year.
I thought James Horan panicked by taking off Freeman because he was so anxious to get Conroy ( who also played poorly) on to the field. Freeman gave them an out for a high ball and looked dangerous. McLaughlin gave away so much ball. Despite Andy being tired would he not have been the best man to snatch a goal if left on at the end? Did Sheamy O'Se deserve to be taken off?
Even when in front Mayo shot hurriedly and badly. They looked jittery on the ball and were the least economical they were on the ball all year.
Overall it was an intense contest but a poor match quality wise.
Quote from: Hound on September 23, 2013, 06:44:16 PM
The ref told COC there was 30 seconds left. 30 seconds later the ref blew the full time whistle.
The clock doesn't stop when the ball is not in play. "30 seconds left" means "you need a goal chap".
Met a Mayo friend after the match and could barely talk he was that upset/disappointed. Could only feel sympathy, but I think on the day we deserved the victory. We'd no choice but to try and run down the clock in the last 10 mins when we were down to 13 men for all intents and purposes. Would have been nicer to win with a bit more style, but that was the way the chips fell.
This is why I mentioned grey area. If COC asked how long was left and the ref said thirty seconds, he should have just thrown in "30 secs after the kickout is taken, yeah?" Then be seen to scream around to everyone that there's thirty seconds from when the ball lands. That would leave the ref with no option. If he didn't do that, then that just wasn't sharp - though someone with more experience should have known to do the same.
That was part of the reason why I was so livid in 2002. Colm Quinn asked Paddy Russell "Is there time for us to get another score if I kick this one over?" I remember Quinn shaped up to take the kick and Ciarán McManus dashed in to ask Russell as well, and Russell confirmed that he was going to play on after the kickout - then blew up as the ball was in the air.
Some great photos of the Dublin team at the hospital for sick children on FB, Really admire that
On an unrelated matter whatever happened to the peroxide bombshell, Mark Vaughan, that used to play for Dublin a few years back? Is he still playing ball?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 23, 2013, 07:58:22 PM
On an unrelated matter whatever happened to the peroxide bombshell, Mark Vaughan, that used to play for Dublin a few years back? Is he still playing ball?
Sure there's plenty of fellas in Dublin not even near the county panel that'd be starting for many counties. Any chance Ted Furman has a Rossie granny?
Gaels........................
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 23, 2013, 07:58:22 PM
On an unrelated matter whatever happened to the peroxide bombshell, Mark Vaughan, that used to play for Dublin a few years back? Is he still playing ball?
Playing out of his skin for Crokes at present.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 23, 2013, 08:17:09 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 23, 2013, 07:58:22 PM
On an unrelated matter whatever happened to the peroxide bombshell, Mark Vaughan, that used to play for Dublin a few years back? Is he still playing ball?
Playing out of his skin for Crokes at present.
Leave him were he is....................................an eejit of the highest order, dont need fellas like that on the current panel
Quote from: ross matt on September 23, 2013, 07:33:22 PM
I thought James Horan panicked by taking off Freeman because he was so anxious to get Conroy ( who also played poorly) on to the field. Freeman gave them an out for a high ball and looked dangerous.
I thought that was odd at the time. I was thinking he'd maybe bring him on again later on.
Quote from: ONeill on September 23, 2013, 08:26:22 PM
Quote from: ross matt on September 23, 2013, 07:33:22 PM
I thought James Horan panicked by taking off Freeman because he was so anxious to get Conroy ( who also played poorly) on to the field. Freeman gave them an out for a high ball and looked dangerous.
I thought that was odd at the time. I was thinking he'd maybe bring him on again later on.
If SoShea had a blonde fringe would he have taken him off????????
Never should have took him off, Aidan yes
Freeman had the flu. SOS legs were shot.
Watched it back there, jesus...Cluxton nailed us.
The little things :
Higgins Hawkeye miss point. Inches
Caff kicking ball straight to Connolly for first score.
Hennelly save that came off MDM and given as a 45 which Cluxton pointed.
Joe blowing up for half time when should have been a free for foul against Cillian.
Dublin got goals at perfect times ( similar to Kerry game )
Lee's drop into Cluxtons hand in last 5 mins..needed it badly.
C'est la vie. Thems the breaks.
Quote from: Lone Shark on September 23, 2013, 07:50:52 PM
This is why I mentioned grey area. If COC asked how long was left and the ref said thirty seconds, he should have just thrown in "30 secs after the kickout is taken, yeah?" Then be seen to scream around to everyone that there's thirty seconds from when the ball lands. That would leave the ref with no option. If he didn't do that, then that just wasn't sharp - though someone with more experience should have known to do the same.
That was part of the reason why I was so livid in 2002. Colm Quinn asked Paddy Russell "Is there time for us to get another score if I kick this one over?" I remember Quinn shaped up to take the kick and Ciarán McManus dashed in to ask Russell as well, and Russell confirmed that he was going to play on after the kickout - then blew up as the ball was in the air.
Don't see how you could expect a ref to answer how long will be left after a certain event happens, because he doesnt know how long its going to take.
"There's 30 seconds left now, there'll be 15 seconds left after 15 seconds, and after another 15 seconds time will be up" is all he can really say.
You'd have to think that if COC had looked up and saw a countdown clock going 32 .... 31 .... 30...... 29 that he would have went for goal. Why he thought the ref's clock was stopped at 30 and would only start again when Cluxton kicked it out, only he can answer, but that's not the way it works. The clock keeps ticking unless there's an injury or deliberate timewasting.
Well done to Dublin. I underestimated them and really thought that we had the measure of ye going into the game.
The difference was ye had more unsung leaders in that 2nd half which is what it takes to win and AI, the likes for Flynn, Bastick and Brennan all stood up to be counted. This leadership was probably as a result of the experience gained by winning one.
We still could have willed ourselves to a draw when ye were practically down to 13 men but didn't have the wherewithal to grasp the chance. That was the most disappointing part of the game for me.
Andy Moran gave a great speech tonight in Castlebar. Our Mayo lads are still young and they will dust themselves down and be back next year and I will be back shouting them on again.
Well done to the Best team in the Country - Dublin. League, Leinster and All Ireland Champions. Dublin set the standard earlier in the year. And all of us knew who ever beat Dublin would end up AI champions.
For us another good year, just not a great year. Have to say the Performances from this group in this years championship were some of the best if not the best I've ever seem from a Mayo team. Made me real proud! Thanks Lads!
For Mayo it's another hard knock. My confidence in this team was on tinder hooks all year. For a county like us you need all the boxes ticked to claim an AI! We had a revolving door of new injuries and players returning from injuries. No team with aspirations can see their full forward line having constraints such as Flu (Freeman), dodgy shoulder (Cillian) and Fitness (Andy). Added to this Cunniffe going off, which stole us of Higgins in the forwards.
No player can hold his head in shame after this game. Every one gave 100%, even the players who were having a nightmare. And although it can be frustrating to watch players lose form. This cannot be helped.
Small questions about the game....
The non use of Feeney, I found baffling! He played 15 minutes in two AI finals?
Cillian not going for goal with the last kick of the game. Weather there was 30 seconds or not. Mad decision!
One of either Seamus O'Shea, Aidan O'Shea or Barry Moran not going n Full Forward toward the end of the game.
Was Cunniffe and Sheamie injured going into the game?
Why was Sheamie taken off?
Why didn't Horan do a Peter Canavan substitution with Andy? Let him be there for the start and the end!
and to next year....
Unlikely Horan to continue. Young family, responsible job, along with the energy needed to pick yourself up from yesterday.
Andy (if he stays) to get a chance to get fitter. After spending last year getting better from his injury.
Cillian, with the Pressure hopefully off. He should have time to sort out his shoulder, have proper rehab and come back complete.
We need to find a solid corner back to free up Higgins. Cunniffe has done ok this year, but seems injury prone. No sooner in any game had Higgins got into the grove of things in the HF line than he had to go back as Cunniffe had pulled up.
We need McLoughlin to return to the Mac of old. He has faded this year. Probably to much football? Trying too Hard to do difficult things? Hs best game was when he did the simple things really well.
Dillon, I'm afraid this is a bridge to far. Has been an excellent servant. And has been playing through the pain.
Conroy, Varley, Doherty, Coen, Carolan, Keane (and even Feeney) are they up to the standard to compete for us a big game?
Do we need to change our style?
If Horan stays will he Keep with this group. If he's looking at one more year, he nearly has to?
In fairness, it was a 20 metre free with a crowded Dublin defence 12 players in front of him. Would have been a miracle to get a goal from that position. Even if he played it short they would still have been crowded out.
He was obviously hoping there was going to be more time played from the kick out for a equaliser which there wasn't.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 23, 2013, 12:26:20 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 23, 2013, 12:14:51 PM
I can't believe Gavin came out with this tirade against the ref, did he have a few drinks in him and let his guard slip? There were a few marginal calls that went against Dublin in the first half but by and large Mayos tackiling was cleaner and executed better than Dublin's and I actually thought McQuillan had a fine game in the main. Mayo could easily argue over the incorrect 45m call in the first half and the stoppage time at the end of the game.
As for McAuley being POTY, I would say the chances are slim. He is a very limited footballer in terms of ability but is an absolute workhorse and was very important to Dublin all year. However in the absence of any standout footballers it could well be that someone like the Gooch could shade it this year. Personally I think it should go to Keith Higgins who was immense yesterday in a beaten team.
Mayo cynically fouled in the semi final last year so it's hypocritical for any poster to cry wolf now. Mc Auley is an incredible player. Anyone who thinks he's average doesn't know the game. He's the heartbeat of the Dublin team.
Donegal had the monopoly on average players winning an all ireland last year.
For any Mayo poster okay but I don't think any Tyrone head will agree with you.
Mickey and his men have been denounced throughout the land for their cynical, negative approach and it's only natural that Tyronies will feel sore as they see Dublin get no more than a mention in passing for using their style o play.
With regard to MDMA, I think he's should be a shoo-in for the POTY award. He's a solid grafter with an incredible engine and he did more than anyone else to keep Dublin heads up when the pressure was on. He plugged away from start to finish and the Dubs owe their victory in no small measure to him.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 23, 2013, 10:02:41 PM
Well done to the Best team in the Country - Dublin. League, Leinster and All Ireland Champions. Dublin set the standard earlier in the year. And all of us knew who ever beat Dublin would end up AI champions.
For us another good year, just not a great year. Have to say the Performances from this group in this years championship were some of the best if not the best I've ever seem from a Mayo team. Made me real proud! Thanks Lads!
For Mayo it's another hard knock. My confidence in this team was on tinder hooks all year. For a county like us you need all the boxes ticked to claim an AI! We had a revolving door of new injuries and players returning from injuries. No team with aspirations can see their full forward line having constraints such as Flu (Freeman), dodgy shoulder (Cillian) and Fitness (Andy). Added to this Cunniffe going off, which stole us of Higgins in the forwards.
No player can hold his head in shame after this game. Every one gave 100%, even the players who were having a nightmare. And although it can be frustrating to watch players lose form. This cannot be helped.
Small questions about the game....
The non use of Feeney, I found baffling! He played 15 minutes in two AI finals?
Cillian not going for goal with the last kick of the game. Weather there was 30 seconds or not. Mad decision!
One of either Seamus O'Shea, Aidan O'Shea or Barry Moran not going n Full Forward toward the end of the game.
Was Cunniffe and Sheamie injured going into the game?
Why was Sheamie taken off?
Why didn't Horan do a Peter Canavan substitution with Andy? Let him be there for the start and the end!
and to next year....
Unlikely Horan to continue. Young family, responsible job, along with the energy needed to pick yourself up from yesterday.
Andy (if he stays) to get a chance to get fitter. After spending last year getting better from his injury.
Cillian, with the Pressure hopefully off. He should have time to sort out his shoulder, have proper rehab and come back complete.
We need to find a solid corner back to free up Higgins. Cunniffe has done ok this year, but seems injury prone. No sooner in any game had Higgins got into the grove of things in the HF line than he had to go back as Cunniffe had pulled up.
We need McLoughlin to return to the Mac of old. He has faded this year. Probably to much football? Trying too Hard to do difficult things? Hs best game was when he did the simple things really well.
Dillon, I'm afraid this is a bridge to far. Has been an excellent servant. And has been playing through the pain.
Conroy, Varley, Doherty, Coen, Carolan, Keane (and even Feeney) are they up to the standard to compete for us a big game?
Do we need to change our style?
If Horan stays will he Keep with this group. If he's looking at one more year, he nearly has to?
Sure Andy was on about the team planning on returning to training in November as All-Ireland champions and that they weren't planning on winning just one in an interview after the match. The Rossie is going nowhere, even questioning that he may retire when he hasn't even turned thirty is a bit much, Bunker.
I'd expect Dillon to come back stronger next year too.
Quote from: Syferus on September 23, 2013, 10:50:51 PM
Sure Andy was on about the team planning on returning to training in November as All-Ireland champions and that they weren't planning on winning just one in an interview after the match. The Rossie is going nowhere, even questioning that he may retire when he hasn't even turned thirty is a bit much, Bunker.
The bit about retiring was in brackets! In no way am I asking him to retire. Was saying he can concentrate on getting fitter this coming year more so than getting better from injury like he had to do last year.
Jaysus, how I envied Dublin fans after the final whistle. First of all I think Dublin deserved their win. Although we put in a brave and desperate end game it felt a bit like a 1point trimming such was Dublin s superiority in the 3 quarter. If we had managed to grab a draw I m not sure I d have had the courage for a replay.
I m not sure these defeats are getting easier or harder to stomach. I didn t enjoy any of the build-up or match itself of course. I was just miserable all week because I could not imagine a favourable outcome. The missus is busy doing her own stuff or she d have told me to f**k off many s a time, with plenty of justification.
I was more choked with emotion during the minor match but once the senior began, a strange calm descended over me and not even Andy s gaol got me outa the seat as Mayo fans leaped around me. I just felt that Andy s goal was against the run of play rather than a turning point, and the game would peter out to an inevitable conclusion.
Today though I m absolutely gutted. Depressed rather than the annoyance/bitterness/ anger I used to feel back in 89/96/97.
When I think of the buzz and craic that there could be about the place tonight but instead having to come to terms with this raw emptiness again is not easy.
I know likes of Iolar and Farr were worried before this one too. It s not that I dont think we have a good manager and players. But I did not buy into this 'Mayo are different this year' theory that was going about - in fairness more outside than inside the county. Yesterday showed that we were not different. Yet again, 7 times in 7 finals, the opposition did a number on us tactically while we mostly huffed and puffed with our own game. Once again the opposition neutralised our strengths (e.g hb line attacking, Aidan O Shea, Alan Dillon) while their strength scores 2-3 or 2-4 from play! I m if Bernard was playing in green and red yesterday he would not have been allowed to score 2-3 from play. We dont have a so called marque forward but if we had the opposition would have a plan for him rather than a brave lad left minding him as best he could.
We don t seem to use the month between semis and finals very effectively. We simply had no answer to Cluxton's kick out strategy once he went long and picked out runners in space. Did nobody anticipate this happening over last few weeks?
This game was a one point game and has to go in the 'should/ could have been won column'. Unfortunately we were partly the architects of our own downfall. One thing that worried me about James Horan s interviews all year has been this talk about learning and eliminating mistakes. Yet he blamed losing yesterday on mistakes! The same mistakes that have been around all year. Harsh but quality players on the ball like McLoughlin and Dillon made enough mistakes yesterday to lose several games, never mind one. Turning the ball over by not moving it quicker and lazy kick passing. But they ve been doing this all year and yet by AI final day it is still happening. Now before people lay into me and start defending the 2 boys - dont bother. They re 2 players I ve the height of time for but errors that cost us dearly yesterday have been endemic in our game for some time. McStay called it lack of respect for possession. Its some thing that can be got rid of. But it was allowed to continue.
I ve no problem with the time keeping. O Connor always takes time with frees. Didn t a ref throw up a ball for delaying a free v Roscommon? a couple of years ago. If Cillian had been quicker with those 2 last frees then maybe we would have had another play. But he cant be expected to rush his tecnique either. The other thing is that Dublin won the last kick out and won them all day long. There was as good a chance them scoring on the last play as us.
I felt we lost it in the period after half time and before Andy's goal. We were so off the pace then it was alarming. We were flat for some reason and only the efforts of Keith and the backs and Seamus kept us in it at all.
Horan is taking a lot of flak in the county today with the Feeman substitution. At the time I thought it was tactical and thought it was a bad call. But Horan says the player is unwell and that is fair enough. It was a player wellfare call, and the manager should not be taking criticism for that.
Was putting Higgins back the right call. Did his removal from the middle third contribute to our 'collapse' at begining of second half. It appears McHale or Keane were not trusted to come in. Fair enough, but I d have brought in Richie Feeney to try and disrupt the Cluxton kick out strategy and put AOS in on Brennan and try to get him on go forward ball. I also thought all year that Dillon should be in the corner where his runs are so effective, rather than hf where an athletic marker puts him on the back foot. McLoughlin never hid yesterday and got on a power of ball but unfortunately he came into this game off-colour. Pity because he s been so good and so consistent since coming into the team. The Conroy substitution did not work because there was no support runners. Carolan made little impact but I m not sure what his role was. Maybe Carolan, Feeney or Gibbons should have been used to add mobility in midfield. The Barry Moran substitution made no sense where we needed a runner rather than a big fielder. I m sorry but the substitutions looked like subs by numbers/ pecking order rather than what is needed. Like why Varley before Doherty? Why Varley at all.
Fair play to Cluxton. I thought his kick outs were what decided the game. Never saw anything like it. Clearly Dublin management saw one of our strengths (the O Shea boys in the air and doing general heavy lifting), as a potential weakness and cruelly exposed our lack of mobility around the middle. However Flynn, McCarty and Brennan also hoovered up a lot of Cluxton kickouts so it was a system failure on our part - not just the O Sheas. Not easy to deal with that of course if it is executed so well. O Sullivan, McAuley, McCarty etc. are ideal for that tactic and I dont think I ve ever seen anybody able to kick a dead-ball O'Neills better than Cluxton. Respect.
Alright, I was pessimistic before this gig but looking ahead I d be more optimistic than most I d say. Not sure we got the most out of the squad this year. I d like to have seen us set up a bit different and the Keith Higgins experiment shows that we don t have to be as rigid as lot of people like to think we must be. Still management deserve respect for the job they ve done and it was their team to pick as they saw it. They obviously have had a regular team in mind the last 2 years. Here s the team from Kerry semi 2011.
Robert Hennelly, Tom Cunniffe, Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins, Richie Feeney, Donal Vaughan, Trevor Mortimer, Aidan O'Shea, Seamus O'Shea, Kevin McLoughlin, Alan Dillon, Andy Moran, Enda Varley, Alan Freeman, Cillian O'Connor.
That team was dismissed without much fuss that day but we have made incremental improvements since and I see no reason why we can t go to another level. Barrett, Keegan, Boyle have added to us but the lot has improved and are young enough to improve further. We need a bit of new blood to keep thing fresh and keep the drive and enthusiasm going. This is a seriously conditioned team right now and we ll be there or there abouts again next year.
Management's judgement was proved correct starting O Connor and Andy. Suggestions otherwise were just silly.
Also expected Dublin to start Ger Brennan. Crazy not too and he had a fine game. Overall Dublin did little wrong and we were within a point - on the scoreboard. We had at least 4 players well short of full fitness - Andy, Dillon, COC, Cunniffe and probably AOS - going into the game. Throw in the Freeman Flu and its no wonder people believe in curses.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 23, 2013, 08:44:24 PM
Freeman had the flu. SOS legs were shot.
Watched it back there, jesus...Cluxton nailed us.
The little things :
Higgins Hawkeye miss point. Inches
Caff kicking ball straight to Connolly for first score.
Hennelly save that came off MDM and given as a 45 which Cluxton pointed.
Joe blowing up for half time when should have been a free for foul against Cillian.
Dublin got goals at perfect times ( similar to Kerry game )
Lee's drop into Cluxtons hand in last 5 mins..needed it badly.
C'est la vie. Thems the breaks.
Any one point game is always about inches none of the substitutions worked for James Horan yesterday and he will have to study his own performance as well as the players. Mayo lost that final in the first half while Dublin won the game in the second half and once drawing level they never looked like losing.
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 23, 2013, 10:12:14 PM
In fairness, it was a 20 metre free with a crowded Dublin defence 12 players in front of him. Would have been a miracle to get a goal from that position. Even if he played it short they would still have been crowded out.
He was obviously hoping there was going to be more time played from the kick out for a equaliser which there wasn't.
Correct. No chance of a goal. O Connor has a slow, deliberate style which meant that maybe a minute was used up on last 2 frees. Because they were gimmies, I was amazed and screaming he didn t show more urgency to restart the game with Dublin reeling. But like golfers, freetakers need their rituals I suppose . I reckon if Andy was still on the pitch he d have grabbed those balls and lashed them over to get the ball in play again. Taking our leaders off was not smart. I could not believe our lack of urgency. Not just on that free. I recall a late free around the middle. Everything stopped. Instead of players making runs and showing - noting. Varley - just on fresh - turned his back on the ball/kicker and trotted in a straight line towards the hill goal. If it was the FBD I d have given him a bollocking. End game on AI final day and a player turns his back on the play. Unforgivable imo.
Still the game was lost imo - I cant remember Dublin losing a kick- out all day. And I wont be watching a video of this one to find out if I m right or wrong.
Think i said on here with 15mins to go that A O`Shea should have went to full forward with Barry Moran coming into the middle along side S O`Shea, as Mayo were playing alot of long high balls at that stage, The biggest mystery for Mayo is why Seamus O`Shea was took off, he was the best of the 4 midfielders on show yesterday
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 23, 2013, 10:13:59 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 23, 2013, 12:26:20 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 23, 2013, 12:14:51 PM
I can't believe Gavin came out with this tirade against the ref, did he have a few drinks in him and let his guard slip? There were a few marginal calls that went against Dublin in the first half but by and large Mayos tackiling was cleaner and executed better than Dublin's and I actually thought McQuillan had a fine game in the main. Mayo could easily argue over the incorrect 45m call in the first half and the stoppage time at the end of the game.
As for McAuley being POTY, I would say the chances are slim. He is a very limited footballer in terms of ability but is an absolute workhorse and was very important to Dublin all year. However in the absence of any standout footballers it could well be that someone like the Gooch could shade it this year. Personally I think it should go to Keith Higgins who was immense yesterday in a beaten team.
Mayo cynically fouled in the semi final last year so it's hypocritical for any poster to cry wolf now. Mc Auley is an incredible player. Anyone who thinks he's average doesn't know the game. He's the heartbeat of the Dublin team.
Donegal had the monopoly on average players winning an all ireland last year.
For any Mayo poster okay but I don't think any Tyrone head will agree with you.
Mickey and his men have been denounced throughout the land for their cynical, negative approach and it's only natural that Tyronies will feel sore as they see Dublin get no more than a mention in passing for using their style o play.
With regard to MDMA, I think he's should be a shoo-in for the POTY award. He's a solid grafter with an incredible engine and he did more than anyone else to keep Dublin heads up when the pressure was on. He plugged away from start to finish and the Dubs owe their victory in no small measure to him.
We re disagreeing a lot lately Lar so why not continue ;D
I ve no interest in the cynical fouling debate. Pointless.
POTY though. If it is a Dublin player it has to be Cluxton. And not about his ability to kick points - which is uncanny. Take yesterday. He kicked two, and there was never a doubt in those conditions that he would kick them. I mean i used the time Cluxton kicked those dead balls to check out the texts I was getting on the phone. On the other hand Hennelly stabbed his effort wide and there was a Cillian one central ( ok Cillian usually would nail it) that was missed. In a one point game those things were massive!
And thats before we get to the kick-outs yeaterday. He filleted us. Who would have preferred to have been missing from Dub team yesterday MDMA or Cluxton? No-brainer imo.
If it doesn t have to be a Dub, then it must be Gooch or Higgins. I d give it to Higgins and not because he s from Mayo. Hell of a player.
Quote from: moysider on September 23, 2013, 11:11:12 PM
Jaysus, how I envied Dublin fans after the final whistle. First of all I think Dublin deserved their win. Although we put in a brave and desperate end game it felt a bit like a 1point trimming such was Dublin s superiority in the 3 quarter. If we had managed to grab a draw I m not sure I d have had the courage for a replay.
I m not sure these defeats are getting easier or harder to stomach. I didn t enjoy any of the build-up or match itself of course. I was just miserable all week because I could not imagine a favourable outcome. The missus is busy doing her own stuff or she d have told me to f**k off many s a time, with plenty of justification.
I was more choked with emotion during the minor match but once the senior began, a strange calm descended over me and not even Andy s gaol got me outa the seat as Mayo fans leaped around me. I just felt that Andy s goal was against the run of play rather than a turning point, and the game would peter out to an inevitable conclusion.
Today though I m absolutely gutted. Depressed rather than the annoyance/bitterness/ anger I used to feel back in 89/96/97.
When I think of the buzz and craic that there could be about the place tonight but instead having to come to terms with this raw emptiness again is not easy.
I know likes of Iolar and Farr were worried before this one too. It s not that I dont think we have a good manager and players. But I did not buy into this 'Mayo are different this year' theory that was going about - in fairness more outside than inside the county. Yesterday showed that we were not different. Yet again, 7 times in 7 finals, the opposition did a number on us tactically while we mostly huffed and puffed with our own game. Once again the opposition neutralised our strengths (e.g hb line attacking, Aidan O Shea, Alan Dillon) while their strength scores 2-3 or 2-4 from play! I m if Bernard was playing in green and red yesterday he would not have been allowed to score 2-3 from play. We dont have a so called marque forward but if we had the opposition would have a plan for him rather than a brave lad left minding him as best he could.
We don t seem to use the month between semis and finals very effectively. We simply had no answer to Cluxton's kick out strategy once he went long and picked out runners in space. Did nobody anticipate this happening over last few weeks?
This game was a one point game and has to go in the 'should/ could have been won column'. Unfortunately we were partly the architects of our own downfall. One thing that worried me about James Horan s interviews all year has been this talk about learning and eliminating mistakes. Yet he blamed losing yesterday on mistakes! The same mistakes that have been around all year. Harsh but quality players on the ball like McLoughlin and Dillon made enough mistakes yesterday to lose several games, never mind one. Turning the ball over by not moving it quicker and lazy kick passing. But they ve been doing this all year and yet by AI final day it is still happening. Now before people lay into me and start defending the 2 boys - dont bother. They re 2 players I ve the height of time for but errors that cost us dearly yesterday have been endemic in our game for some time. McStay called it lack of respect for possession. Its some thing that can be got rid of. But it was allowed to continue.
I ve no problem with the time keeping. O Connor always takes time with frees. Didn t a ref throw up a ball for delaying a free v Roscommon? a couple of years ago. If Cillian had been quicker with those 2 last frees then maybe we would have had another play. But he cant be expected to rush his tecnique either. The other thing is that Dublin won the last kick out and won them all day long. There was as good a chance them scoring on the last play as us.
I felt we lost it in the period after half time and before Andy's goal. We were so off the pace then it was alarming. We were flat for some reason and only the efforts of Keith and the backs and Seamus kept us in it at all.
Horan is taking a lot of flak in the county today with the Feeman substitution. At the time I thought it was tactical and thought it was a bad call. But Horan says the player is unwell and that is fair enough. It was a player wellfare call, and the manager should not be taking criticism for that.
Was putting Higgins back the right call. Did his removal from the middle third contribute to our 'collapse' at begining of second half. It appears McHale or Keane were not trusted to come in. Fair enough, but I d have brought in Richie Feeney to try and disrupt the Cluxton kick out strategy and put AOS in on Brennan and try to get him on go forward ball. I also thought all year that Dillon should be in the corner where his runs are so effective, rather than hf where an athletic marker puts him on the back foot. McLoughlin never hid yesterday and got on a power of ball but unfortunately he came into this game off-colour. Pity because he s been so good and so consistent since coming into the team. The Conroy substitution did not work because there was no support runners. Carolan made little impact but I m not sure what his role was. Maybe Carolan, Feeney or Gibbons should have been used to add mobility in midfield. The Barry Moran substitution made no sense where we needed a runner rather than a big fielder. I m sorry but the substitutions looked like subs by numbers/ pecking order rather than what is needed. Like why Varley before Doherty? Why Varley at all.
Fair play to Cluxton. I thought his kick outs were what decided the game. Never saw anything like it. Clearly Dublin management saw one of our strengths (the O Shea boys in the air and doing general heavy lifting), as a potential weakness and cruelly exposed our lack of mobility around the middle. However Flynn, McCarty and Brennan also hoovered up a lot of Cluxton kickouts so it was a system failure on our part - not just the O Sheas. Not easy to deal with that of course if it is executed so well. O Sullivan, McAuley, McCarty etc. are ideal for that tactic and I dont think I ve ever seen anybody able to kick a dead-ball O'Neills better than Cluxton. Respect.
Alright, I was pessimistic before this gig but looking ahead I d be more optimistic than most I d say. Not sure we got the most out of the squad this year. I d like to have seen us set up a bit different and the Keith Higgins experiment shows that we don t have to be as rigid as lot of people like to think we must be. Still management deserve respect for the job they ve done and it was their team to pick as they saw it. They obviously have had a regular team in mind the last 2 years. Here s the team from Kerry semi 2011.
Robert Hennelly, Tom Cunniffe, Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins, Richie Feeney, Donal Vaughan, Trevor Mortimer, Aidan O'Shea, Seamus O'Shea, Kevin McLoughlin, Alan Dillon, Andy Moran, Enda Varley, Alan Freeman, Cillian O'Connor.
That team was dismissed without much fuss that day but we have made incremental improvements since and I see no reason why we can t go to another level. Barrett, Keegan, Boyle have added to us but the lot has improved and are young enough to improve further. We need a bit of new blood to keep thing fresh and keep the drive and enthusiasm going. This is a seriously conditioned team right now and we ll be there or there abouts again next year.
Management's judgement was proved correct starting O Connor and Andy. Suggestions otherwise were just silly.
Also expected Dublin to start Ger Brennan. Crazy not too and he had a fine game. Overall Dublin did little wrong and we were within a point - on the scoreboard. We had at least 4 players well short of full fitness - Andy, Dillon, COC, Cunniffe and probably AOS - going into the game. Throw in the Freeman Flu and its no wonder people believe in curses.
RE. The first point in bold, I'm not too sure about that. Freeman was told by the doctor that under no circumstances was he too play on Sunday.
RE. The second point in bold I really don't know. The effort the lads put in this year was unbelievable. Very hard on the lads to go through that again. There was great resilience among the players and management last year with talk about next years training programs and the start of a journey immediately after the final, none of that this year.
If we won I really believed it could have been the start of a new era in Mayo football. Instead it feels like the end of an era.
f**k it, maybe I'm reading into things too much. Today was a very long day.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 23, 2013, 11:41:40 PM
Think i said on here with 15mins to go that A O`Shea should have went to full forward with Barry Moran coming into the middle along side S O`Shea, as Mayo were playing alot of long high balls at that stage, The biggest mystery for Mayo is why Seamus O`Shea was took off, he was the best of the 4 midfielders on show yesterday
Aidan was thrown in full forward for the last 10mins in last years final and we got no return out of it. So that argument is utterly pointless. At that stage in the game Dublin had men behind the ball and were hauling all Mayo men down around them.
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Quote from: moysider on September 23, 2013, 11:11:12 PM
Jaysus, how I envied Dublin fans after the final whistle. First of all I think Dublin deserved their win. Although we put in a brave and desperate end game it felt a bit like a 1point trimming such was Dublin s superiority in the 3 quarter. If we had managed to grab a draw I m not sure I d have had the courage for a replay.
I m not sure these defeats are getting easier or harder to stomach. I didn t enjoy any of the build-up or match itself of course. I was just miserable all week because I could not imagine a favourable outcome. The missus is busy doing her own stuff or she d have told me to f**k off many s a time, with plenty of justification.
I was more choked with emotion during the minor match but once the senior began, a strange calm descended over me and not even Andy s gaol got me outa the seat as Mayo fans leaped around me. I just felt that Andy s goal was against the run of play rather than a turning point, and the game would peter out to an inevitable conclusion.
Today though I m absolutely gutted. Depressed rather than the annoyance/bitterness/ anger I used to feel back in 89/96/97.
When I think of the buzz and craic that there could be about the place tonight but instead having to come to terms with this raw emptiness again is not easy.
I know likes of Iolar and Farr were worried before this one too. It s not that I dont think we have a good manager and players. But I did not buy into this 'Mayo are different this year' theory that was going about - in fairness more outside than inside the county. Yesterday showed that we were not different. Yet again, 7 times in 7 finals, the opposition did a number on us tactically while we mostly huffed and puffed with our own game. Once again the opposition neutralised our strengths (e.g hb line attacking, Aidan O Shea, Alan Dillon) while their strength scores 2-3 or 2-4 from play! I m if Bernard was playing in green and red yesterday he would not have been allowed to score 2-3 from play. We dont have a so called marque forward but if we had the opposition would have a plan for him rather than a brave lad left minding him as best he could.
We don t seem to use the month between semis and finals very effectively. We simply had no answer to Cluxton's kick out strategy once he went long and picked out runners in space. Did nobody anticipate this happening over last few weeks?
This game was a one point game and has to go in the 'should/ could have been won column'. Unfortunately we were partly the architects of our own downfall. One thing that worried me about James Horan s interviews all year has been this talk about learning and eliminating mistakes. Yet he blamed losing yesterday on mistakes! The same mistakes that have been around all year. Harsh but quality players on the ball like McLoughlin and Dillon made enough mistakes yesterday to lose several games, never mind one. Turning the ball over by not moving it quicker and lazy kick passing. But they ve been doing this all year and yet by AI final day it is still happening. Now before people lay into me and start defending the 2 boys - dont bother. They re 2 players I ve the height of time for but errors that cost us dearly yesterday have been endemic in our game for some time. McStay called it lack of respect for possession. Its some thing that can be got rid of. But it was allowed to continue.
I ve no problem with the time keeping. O Connor always takes time with frees. Didn t a ref throw up a ball for delaying a free v Roscommon? a couple of years ago. If Cillian had been quicker with those 2 last frees then maybe we would have had another play. But he cant be expected to rush his tecnique either. The other thing is that Dublin won the last kick out and won them all day long. There was as good a chance them scoring on the last play as us.
I felt we lost it in the period after half time and before Andy's goal. We were so off the pace then it was alarming. We were flat for some reason and only the efforts of Keith and the backs and Seamus kept us in it at all.
Horan is taking a lot of flak in the county today with the Feeman substitution. At the time I thought it was tactical and thought it was a bad call. But Horan says the player is unwell and that is fair enough. It was a player wellfare call, and the manager should not be taking criticism for that.
Was putting Higgins back the right call. Did his removal from the middle third contribute to our 'collapse' at begining of second half. It appears McHale or Keane were not trusted to come in. Fair enough, but I d have brought in Richie Feeney to try and disrupt the Cluxton kick out strategy and put AOS in on Brennan and try to get him on go forward ball. I also thought all year that Dillon should be in the corner where his runs are so effective, rather than hf where an athletic marker puts him on the back foot. McLoughlin never hid yesterday and got on a power of ball but unfortunately he came into this game off-colour. Pity because he s been so good and so consistent since coming into the team. The Conroy substitution did not work because there was no support runners. Carolan made little impact but I m not sure what his role was. Maybe Carolan, Feeney or Gibbons should have been used to add mobility in midfield. The Barry Moran substitution made no sense where we needed a runner rather than a big fielder. I m sorry but the substitutions looked like subs by numbers/ pecking order rather than what is needed. Like why Varley before Doherty? Why Varley at all.
Fair play to Cluxton. I thought his kick outs were what decided the game. Never saw anything like it. Clearly Dublin management saw one of our strengths (the O Shea boys in the air and doing general heavy lifting), as a potential weakness and cruelly exposed our lack of mobility around the middle. However Flynn, McCarty and Brennan also hoovered up a lot of Cluxton kickouts so it was a system failure on our part - not just the O Sheas. Not easy to deal with that of course if it is executed so well. O Sullivan, McAuley, McCarty etc. are ideal for that tactic and I dont think I ve ever seen anybody able to kick a dead-ball O'Neills better than Cluxton. Respect.
Alright, I was pessimistic before this gig but looking ahead I d be more optimistic than most I d say. Not sure we got the most out of the squad this year. I d like to have seen us set up a bit different and the Keith Higgins experiment shows that we don t have to be as rigid as lot of people like to think we must be. Still management deserve respect for the job they ve done and it was their team to pick as they saw it. They obviously have had a regular team in mind the last 2 years. Here s the team from Kerry semi 2011.
Robert Hennelly, Tom Cunniffe, Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins, Richie Feeney, Donal Vaughan, Trevor Mortimer, Aidan O'Shea, Seamus O'Shea, Kevin McLoughlin, Alan Dillon, Andy Moran, Enda Varley, Alan Freeman, Cillian O'Connor.
That team was dismissed without much fuss that day but we have made incremental improvements since and I see no reason why we can t go to another level. Barrett, Keegan, Boyle have added to us but the lot has improved and are young enough to improve further. We need a bit of new blood to keep thing fresh and keep the drive and enthusiasm going. This is a seriously conditioned team right now and we ll be there or there abouts again next year.
Management's judgement was proved correct starting O Connor and Andy. Suggestions otherwise were just silly.
Also expected Dublin to start Ger Brennan. Crazy not too and he had a fine game. Overall Dublin did little wrong and we were within a point - on the scoreboard. We had at least 4 players well short of full fitness - Andy, Dillon, COC, Cunniffe and probably AOS - going into the game. Throw in the Freeman Flu and its no wonder people believe in curses.
RE. The first point in bold, I'm not too sure about that. Freeman was told by the doctor that under no circumstances was he too play on Sunday.
RE. The second point in bold I really don't know. The effort the lads put in this year was unbelievable. Very hard on the lads to go through that again. There was great resilience among the players and management last year with talk about next years training programs and the start of a journey immediately after the final, none of that this year.
If we won I really believed it could have been the start of a new era in Mayo football. Instead it feels like the end of an era.
f**k it, maybe I'm reading into things too much. Today was a very long day.
Sure you re agreeing with me on the Freeman call! Maybe the issue is starting him at all. What doctor told him not to play? Team doctor or GP? If it was GP it put Sean Moffatt in some position! A lad with a sore throat and temperature should not be playing football.
As regards the second point. I think maybe you are reading too much into it. These lads are seriously conditioned and quality footballers in their pomp. Yeah they ve lost another AI final but the training they do is a huge part of their lives and a normal part of their lives. Very few can get to that level and those that do usually want to stay there as long as they can.
Yeah, we ve lost 2 AIs in a row and it is hard for everybody to deal with. The players will be hurting for a long time but they will come back stronger.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 23, 2013, 11:41:40 PM
Think i said on here with 15mins to go that A O`Shea should have went to full forward with Barry Moran coming into the middle along side S O`Shea, as Mayo were playing alot of long high balls at that stage, The biggest mystery for Mayo is why Seamus O`Shea was took off, he was the best of the 4 midfielders on show yesterday
Aidan was thrown in full forward for the last 10mins in last years final and we got no return out of it. So that argument is utterly pointless. At that stage in the game Dublin had men behind the ball and were hauling all Mayo men down around them.
Agree. We needed to be in a position to do the hauling down with a bit to go. I wouldn t mind but we had enough about us in the first half to take control of the game. Starting the 2nd half so flat was critical. Look, we saw it last year. Chasing a game against a top team in an AI final is not something we re good at. We need to dictate things. Tyrone game set alarm bells ringing for me. Taken out of our zone we are vulnerable. Management have to take a bit of flak for this. I could be completely wrong here, but it appears to me that management hope/expect/ trust players to find their way out of situations - like say the Tyrone semi. OK they did find a way, and I think Horan used that expression in postmatch interview.
Fair enough, he s the coach/boss and that s his philosophy and I m sure a lot he says to media is not 'talk turkey'. 'learning from mistakes' is another soundbite that Horan uses. Again, sound way to go about things. But as I ve said already endemic flaws probably lost us another AI.
Sometimes players need to be told what to do and not do,and not repeat bad habits ad nauseum. Players often like to have their role defined in simple terms.
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 12:55:46 AM
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 24, 2013, 12:04:51 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 23, 2013, 11:41:40 PM
Think i said on here with 15mins to go that A O`Shea should have went to full forward with Barry Moran coming into the middle along side S O`Shea, as Mayo were playing alot of long high balls at that stage, The biggest mystery for Mayo is why Seamus O`Shea was took off, he was the best of the 4 midfielders on show yesterday
Aidan was thrown in full forward for the last 10mins in last years final and we got no return out of it. So that argument is utterly pointless. At that stage in the game Dublin had men behind the ball and were hauling all Mayo men down around them.
Agree. We needed to be in a position to do the hauling down with a bit to go. I wouldn t mind but we had enough about us in the first half to take control of the game. Starting the 2nd half so flat was critical. Look, we saw it last year. Chasing a game against a top team in an AI final is not something we re good at. We need to dictate things. Tyrone game set alarm bells ringing for me. Taken out of our zone we are vulnerable. Management have to take a bit of flak for this. I could be completely wrong here, but it appears to me that management hope/expect/ trust players to find their way out of situations - like say the Tyrone semi. OK they did find a way, and I think Horan used that expression in postmatch interview.
Fair enough, he s the coach/boss and that s his philosophy and I m sure a lot he says to media is not 'talk turkey'. 'learning from mistakes' is another soundbite that Horan uses. Again, sound way to go about things. But as I ve said already endemic flaws probably lost us another AI.
Sometimes players need to be told what to do and not do,and not repeat bad habits ad nauseum. Players often like to have their role defined in simple terms.
Its more down to Mayo missing the 3/4 players needed to to get the job done. I don't think anyone could say they didn't expend every effort trying to win. They have 10/11 of the starting 15 there its adding the few extras that will be the difference.
I also think Horan is starting to make a tit of himself in the cynical fouling stakes. Its startingt to look like sour grapes now. If Mayo hadn't indulged in the same carry on last year he'd have a point. But because they did he has no point.
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Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 12:55:46 AM
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 24, 2013, 12:04:51 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 23, 2013, 11:41:40 PM
Think i said on here with 15mins to go that A O`Shea should have went to full forward with Barry Moran coming into the middle along side S O`Shea, as Mayo were playing alot of long high balls at that stage, The biggest mystery for Mayo is why Seamus O`Shea was took off, he was the best of the 4 midfielders on show yesterday
Aidan was thrown in full forward for the last 10mins in last years final and we got no return out of it. So that argument is utterly pointless. At that stage in the game Dublin had men behind the ball and were hauling all Mayo men down around them.
Agree. We needed to be in a position to do the hauling down with a bit to go. I wouldn t mind but we had enough about us in the first half to take control of the game. Starting the 2nd half so flat was critical. Look, we saw it last year. Chasing a game against a top team in an AI final is not something we re good at. We need to dictate things. Tyrone game set alarm bells ringing for me. Taken out of our zone we are vulnerable. Management have to take a bit of flak for this. I could be completely wrong here, but it appears to me that management hope/expect/ trust players to find their way out of situations - like say the Tyrone semi. OK they did find a way, and I think Horan used that expression in postmatch interview.
Fair enough, he s the coach/boss and that s his philosophy and I m sure a lot he says to media is not 'talk turkey'. 'learning from mistakes' is another soundbite that Horan uses. Again, sound way to go about things. But as I ve said already endemic flaws probably lost us another AI.
Sometimes players need to be told what to do and not do,and not repeat bad habits ad nauseum. Players often like to have their role defined in simple terms.
Its more down to Mayo missing the 3/4 players needed to to get the job done. I don't think anyone could say they didn't expend every effort trying to win. They have 10/11 of the starting 15 there its adding the few extras that will be the difference.
I also think Horan is starting to make a tit of himself in the cynical fouling stakes. Its startingt to look like sour grapes now. If Mayo hadn't indulged in the same carry on last year he'd have a point. But because they did he has no point.
What did Horan say?
Sure you re agreeing with me on the Freeman call! Maybe the issue is starting him at all. What doctor told him not to play? Team doctor or GP? If it was GP it put Sean Moffatt in some position! A lad with a sore throat and temperature should not be playing football.
As regards the second point. I think maybe you are reading too much into it. These lads are seriously conditioned and quality footballers in their pomp. Yeah they ve lost another AI final but the training they do is a huge part of their lives and a normal part of their lives. Very few can get to that level and those that do usually want to stay there as long as they can.
Yeah, we ve lost 2 AIs in a row and it is hard for everybody to deal with. The players will be hurting for a long time but they will come back stronger.
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Nah, if it was a player welfare call he would have never started him. I don't know what doctor told him not to play but I presume it wasn't Sean.
I really hope your right about the lads coming back stronger. At the moment I'm really finding it hard to see any positives in this defeat.
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 12:55:46 AM
Sometimes players need to be told what to do and not do,and not repeat bad habits ad nauseum. Players often like to have their role defined in simple terms.
Funny, I was chatting to one of the lads briefly last week and asked if his head was light with potential match ups and tactics...he replied, "nah..not really, just a basic plan and told to play away". He's very honest so don't think he was trying to be coy or anything.
I nearly fell over when I started to think about it further....
Maybe mayo should take it easy next year and aim for another tilt with the missing pieces in 2015. They are not that far away .
Quote from: Jinxy on September 23, 2013, 04:59:17 PM
Refs rarely fall for the arm-dragging thing anymore.
To be honest we can imagine all sorts of scenarios where players will try to exploit the rule but it's undobtedly a step in the right direction.
McQuillian bought a few yesterday including one that ended as a point for Dublin.
FFS Mayo lads get this in perspective. You were beaten in an AI final, a good team doesn't become bad over night. You won the minor and have a few handy players coming through. As an Armagh supporter I've walked in you shoes quite a bit either side of '02 and I'll teel you what I'd swap places with you right now.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 24, 2013, 07:28:05 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 12:55:46 AM
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 24, 2013, 12:04:51 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 23, 2013, 11:41:40 PM
Think i said on here with 15mins to go that A O`Shea should have went to full forward with Barry Moran coming into the middle along side S O`Shea, as Mayo were playing alot of long high balls at that stage, The biggest mystery for Mayo is why Seamus O`Shea was took off, he was the best of the 4 midfielders on show yesterday
Aidan was thrown in full forward for the last 10mins in last years final and we got no return out of it. So that argument is utterly pointless. At that stage in the game Dublin had men behind the ball and were hauling all Mayo men down around them.
Agree. We needed to be in a position to do the hauling down with a bit to go. I wouldn t mind but we had enough about us in the first half to take control of the game. Starting the 2nd half so flat was critical. Look, we saw it last year. Chasing a game against a top team in an AI final is not something we re good at. We need to dictate things. Tyrone game set alarm bells ringing for me. Taken out of our zone we are vulnerable. Management have to take a bit of flak for this. I could be completely wrong here, but it appears to me that management hope/expect/ trust players to find their way out of situations - like say the Tyrone semi. OK they did find a way, and I think Horan used that expression in postmatch interview.
Fair enough, he s the coach/boss and that s his philosophy and I m sure a lot he says to media is not 'talk turkey'. 'learning from mistakes' is another soundbite that Horan uses. Again, sound way to go about things. But as I ve said already endemic flaws probably lost us another AI.
Sometimes players need to be told what to do and not do,and not repeat bad habits ad nauseum. Players often like to have their role defined in simple terms.
Its more down to Mayo missing the 3/4 players needed to to get the job done. I don't think anyone could say they didn't expend every effort trying to win. They have 10/11 of the starting 15 there its adding the few extras that will be the difference.
I also think Horan is starting to make a tit of himself in the cynical fouling stakes. Its startingt to look like sour grapes now. If Mayo hadn't indulged in the same carry on last year he'd have a point. But because they did he has no point.
That bullshit to be blunt Indiana. Jim Gavin was the manager that made a tit of himself and came across as a very poor winner complaining about having to play against 16 men etc. McQuillan didn't favour either team to any noticeable extent.
And Gavin preached about how there was no cynicism in his team and he would step back from his job if any of his players resorted to that type of play. They did resort to that type of play, and I have absolutely no complaint about that, but he should be man enough to admit it.
Instead he tried to brush it off as 'frustration'.
QuoteJAMES HORAN HAS revealed his amazement at Dublin manager Jim Gavin's assertion that 'not only were we playing Mayo, we were playing the referee' in Sunday's All-Ireland final.
Gavin made the comment in the aftermath of the game as he felt aggrieved by the free count of 32-12 against his side.
Yet Horan responded yesterday and referred to Gavin's comments at a press event before the final when the Dublin manager had stated, 'I would be loathe to think that if anyone said this Dublin team is cynical, you know, I'd take a step back if that was the case'.
"I find that amazing," revealed Horan at the Citywest Hotel yesterday. "I find that absolutely amazing if that was the comment.
"I know Jim made another interesting comment, that he'd walk away if his team were cynical so maybe that's another comment Jim should look at.
"What was the free count? And what were Dublin saying after the semi-final last year, were they shouting up and down about it?
"Sure look it, fair play to Jim and fair play to Dublin, they won the game and they deserved to win it."
At Dublin's team base yesterday morning at the Gibson Hotel, Gavin expanded on the comments he made on Sunday and insisted that he only raised the issue from the position of strength as All-Ireland champions.
He also expressed his belief that two referees should be introduced for games in the GAA.
"In defeat it's not the place to be saying it so we were never going to bring it up before this unless we were in a position where we could mention it.
"I still think we should have two referees on the pitch. When you see the quality of Cormac Reilly there on the sideline, why shouldn't he be able to referee as well.
"We've got such quality referees, to leave one man in there on his own, it's a big ask on anybody, especially with the way the game is gone so fast and furious.
This is the article about what Horan said. Now have a read INDIANA and honestly come back and say who is making a tit of themselves
Quote from: INDIANA on September 24, 2013, 07:28:05 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 12:55:46 AM
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 24, 2013, 12:04:51 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 23, 2013, 11:41:40 PM
Think i said on here with 15mins to go that A O`Shea should have went to full forward with Barry Moran coming into the middle along side S O`Shea, as Mayo were playing alot of long high balls at that stage, The biggest mystery for Mayo is why Seamus O`Shea was took off, he was the best of the 4 midfielders on show yesterday
Aidan was thrown in full forward for the last 10mins in last years final and we got no return out of it. So that argument is utterly pointless. At that stage in the game Dublin had men behind the ball and were hauling all Mayo men down around them.
Agree. We needed to be in a position to do the hauling down with a bit to go. I wouldn t mind but we had enough about us in the first half to take control of the game. Starting the 2nd half so flat was critical. Look, we saw it last year. Chasing a game against a top team in an AI final is not something we re good at. We need to dictate things. Tyrone game set alarm bells ringing for me. Taken out of our zone we are vulnerable. Management have to take a bit of flak for this. I could be completely wrong here, but it appears to me that management hope/expect/ trust players to find their way out of situations - like say the Tyrone semi. OK they did find a way, and I think Horan used that expression in postmatch interview.
Fair enough, he s the coach/boss and that s his philosophy and I m sure a lot he says to media is not 'talk turkey'. 'learning from mistakes' is another soundbite that Horan uses. Again, sound way to go about things. But as I ve said already endemic flaws probably lost us another AI.
Sometimes players need to be told what to do and not do,and not repeat bad habits ad nauseum. Players often like to have their role defined in simple terms.
Its more down to Mayo missing the 3/4 players needed to to get the job done. I don't think anyone could say they didn't expend every effort trying to win. They have 10/11 of the starting 15 there its adding the few extras that will be the difference.
I also think Horan is starting to make a tit of himself in the cynical fouling stakes. Its startingt to look like sour grapes now. If Mayo hadn't indulged in the same carry on last year he'd have a point. But because they did he has no point.
I hope to Christ that Horan is saying damn all. I heard nothing but then again I m not exactly looking for stuff about the game.
As regards the 3/4 players I dunno. I thought the difference between the teams was more tactical than quality. Mayo had some stand out individual performances and a couple of lads that had disappointing games have been stand out players for us in the past. Freeman was ill. If I was picking an All-Stars team it would be as close as 6-5 to the dubs. Maybe even 6-6.
On the other hand a few of the younger Dublin guns who looked so good in previous games did not stand out. Cunniffe seemed to be well able for Mannion before both got injured. McCaffrey and Kilkenny had little impact.
I d be happy enough with our panel. Just freshen it up with some new blood. We don't have a Gooch or a Bernard Brogan I admit.
Unless there are some other quotes, I can't see to much wrong with what Horan said, but he'd be better off staying quiet and not doing anything to rescue Gavin.
to be honest, i think we are all looking too much into the tactics of sunday. if we had taken the chances we got in the first half (like we were doing all year), then we would have been out the gate at half time. eg higgins hawkeye point, mclough wide, cillian missed free etc - at 4-1 up we should have been 7-1 up and we should have driven on. dublin hadn't settled, brogan wasnt in it, we were doing reasonably well on the dublin kickouts and it felt like it was one way traffic (more or less). we didnt make our period of dominance pay.
we should have won the game in that first 20 minutes when the opportunity was there. conversely, dublin missed at least 3 goal chances after that, and dropped maybe 3 shots short into hennellys hands over the course of the game. both teams stumbled on sunday, mayo just stumbled a bit more.
to an extent i agree with Horan when he talked about the basics letting us down (refer missed points as above), bad handpassing, some poor kick passing. as he said if these 'stick', you get the scores and tactics dont really come into it. is he deflecting from himself when he talks about this? maybe he is, but he does have a point.
we can torture ourselves by over-analysing this or we can accept the fact that on a day when neither team played to the maximum extent of their abilities, dublin played slightly better. thats whats going to get me through the winter.
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Think i said on here with 15mins to go that A O`Shea should have went to full forward with Barry Moran coming into the middle along side S O`Shea, as Mayo were playing alot of long high balls at that stage, The biggest mystery for Mayo is why Seamus O`Shea was took off, he was the best of the 4 midfielders on show yesterday
Aidan was thrown in full forward for the last 10mins in last years final and we got no return out of it. So that argument is utterly pointless. At that stage in the game Dublin had men behind the ball and were hauling all Mayo men down around them.
Agree. We needed to be in a position to do the hauling down with a bit to go. I wouldn t mind but we had enough about us in the first half to take control of the game. Starting the 2nd half so flat was critical. Look, we saw it last year. Chasing a game against a top team in an AI final is not something we re good at. We need to dictate things. Tyrone game set alarm bells ringing for me. Taken out of our zone we are vulnerable. Management have to take a bit of flak for this. I could be completely wrong here, but it appears to me that management hope/expect/ trust players to find their way out of situations - like say the Tyrone semi. OK they did find a way, and I think Horan used that expression in postmatch interview.
Fair enough, he s the coach/boss and that s his philosophy and I m sure a lot he says to media is not 'talk turkey'. 'learning from mistakes' is another soundbite that Horan uses. Again, sound way to go about things. But as I ve said already endemic flaws probably lost us another AI.
Sometimes players need to be told what to do and not do,and not repeat bad habits ad nauseum. Players often like to have their role defined in simple terms.
Its more down to Mayo missing the 3/4 players needed to to get the job done. I don't think anyone could say they didn't expend every effort trying to win. They have 10/11 of the starting 15 there its adding the few extras that will be the difference.
I also think Horan is starting to make a tit of himself in the cynical fouling stakes. Its startingt to look like sour grapes now. If Mayo hadn't indulged in the same carry on last year he'd have a point. But because they did he has no point.
I hope to Christ that Horan is saying damn all. I heard nothing but then again I m not exactly looking for stuff about the game.
As regards the 3/4 players I dunno. I thought the difference between the teams was more tactical than quality. Mayo had some stand out individual performances and a couple of lads that had disappointing games have been stand out players for us in the past. Freeman was ill. If I was picking an All-Stars team it would be as close as 6-5 to the dubs. Maybe even 6-6.
On the other hand a few of the younger Dublin guns who looked so good in previous games did not stand out. Cunniffe seemed to be well able for Mannion before both got injured. McCaffrey and Kilkenny had little impact.
I d be happy enough with our panel. Just freshen it up with some new blood. We don't have a Gooch or a Bernard Brogan I admit.
But you wouldn't have a forward in the all stars in my view. If you had ciaran mc Donald last Sunday you may well have won.
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Think i said on here with 15mins to go that A O`Shea should have went to full forward with Barry Moran coming into the middle along side S O`Shea, as Mayo were playing alot of long high balls at that stage, The biggest mystery for Mayo is why Seamus O`Shea was took off, he was the best of the 4 midfielders on show yesterday
Aidan was thrown in full forward for the last 10mins in last years final and we got no return out of it. So that argument is utterly pointless. At that stage in the game Dublin had men behind the ball and were hauling all Mayo men down around them.
Agree. We needed to be in a position to do the hauling down with a bit to go. I wouldn t mind but we had enough about us in the first half to take control of the game. Starting the 2nd half so flat was critical. Look, we saw it last year. Chasing a game against a top team in an AI final is not something we re good at. We need to dictate things. Tyrone game set alarm bells ringing for me. Taken out of our zone we are vulnerable. Management have to take a bit of flak for this. I could be completely wrong here, but it appears to me that management hope/expect/ trust players to find their way out of situations - like say the Tyrone semi. OK they did find a way, and I think Horan used that expression in postmatch interview.
Fair enough, he s the coach/boss and that s his philosophy and I m sure a lot he says to media is not 'talk turkey'. 'learning from mistakes' is another soundbite that Horan uses. Again, sound way to go about things. But as I ve said already endemic flaws probably lost us another AI.
Sometimes players need to be told what to do and not do,and not repeat bad habits ad nauseum. Players often like to have their role defined in simple terms.
Its more down to Mayo missing the 3/4 players needed to to get the job done. I don't think anyone could say they didn't expend every effort trying to win. They have 10/11 of the starting 15 there its adding the few extras that will be the difference.
I also think Horan is starting to make a tit of himself in the cynical fouling stakes. Its startingt to look like sour grapes now. If Mayo hadn't indulged in the same carry on last year he'd have a point. But because they did he has no point.
I hope to Christ that Horan is saying damn all. I heard nothing but then again I m not exactly looking for stuff about the game.
As regards the 3/4 players I dunno. I thought the difference between the teams was more tactical than quality. Mayo had some stand out individual performances and a couple of lads that had disappointing games have been stand out players for us in the past. Freeman was ill. If I was picking an All-Stars team it would be as close as 6-5 to the dubs. Maybe even 6-6.
On the other hand a few of the younger Dublin guns who looked so good in previous games did not stand out. Cunniffe seemed to be well able for Mannion before both got injured. McCaffrey and Kilkenny had little impact.
I d be happy enough with our panel. Just freshen it up with some new blood. We don't have a Gooch or a Bernard Brogan I admit.
But you wouldn't have a forward in the all stars in my view. If you had ciaran mc Donald last Sunday you may well have won.
True I suppose, but of the Dublin forwards I d only be taking your hand off for Bernard Brogan. Our lot had a miserable time of it mostly alright but still a bit of quality about them if they were right.
Cillian - busted shoulder.
Andy - amazing he made it back so soon and doing well to be as good as he is.
McLoughlin - miserable form all year but possibly our best player previous 2 years.
Dillon - long term injury has taken its toll. Might still have a future if he gets it sorted. Will be approaching 32 next summer though.
Freeman - was starting to fire again and AI illness was unlucky.
I reckon the above will be there or thereabouts again next year. hopefully 1 or 2 newbies will emerge. I see Higgins future in hb line. I think Higgins, Keegan, Boyle should have been our hb line this year.
Few of our stars in the forward lines didn't contibute a lot either, Kilkenny and Andrews and Connolly and Mannion, were either below par, or just awful. If any of these had of been up to their usual standards it couldv've been curtins earlier.
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This is why I mentioned grey area. If COC asked how long was left and the ref said thirty seconds, he should have just thrown in "30 secs after the kickout is taken, yeah?" Then be seen to scream around to everyone that there's thirty seconds from when the ball lands. That would leave the ref with no option. If he didn't do that, then that just wasn't sharp - though someone with more experience should have known to do the same.
That was part of the reason why I was so livid in 2002. Colm Quinn asked Paddy Russell "Is there time for us to get another score if I kick this one over?" I remember Quinn shaped up to take the kick and Ciarán McManus dashed in to ask Russell as well, and Russell confirmed that he was going to play on after the kickout - then blew up as the ball was in the air.
Don't see how you could expect a ref to answer how long will be left after a certain event happens, because he doesnt know how long its going to take.
"There's 30 seconds left now, there'll be 15 seconds left after 15 seconds, and after another 15 seconds time will be up" is all he can really say.
You'd have to think that if COC had looked up and saw a countdown clock going 32 .... 31 .... 30...... 29 that he would have went for goal. Why he thought the ref's clock was stopped at 30 and would only start again when Cluxton kicked it out, only he can answer, but that's not the way it works. The clock keeps ticking unless there's an injury or deliberate timewasting.
That's why I'm saying that you ask about after the kickout. If the ref says thirty seconds from the time the ball is kicked over the bar, then it's obvious that the game will be over - he's essentially saying not to go for a point. Most refs would refer to after the kickout however, since otherwise the goalie will just take forever.
QuoteJoe McQuillan says he told Cillian O'Connor "there's 30 seconds left" as the Mayo player squared up to that late, late free.
O'Connor popped the ball over the bar at the Hill 16 end of Croke Park deep into added time at the end of Sunday's All-Ireland final but the Connacht champions were left irate when the Cavan official blew his final whistle as soon as Stephen Cluxton took his kick-out.
But the four minutes of injury time were clearly up and McQuillan insists he couldn't have been clearer in his instructions to O'Connor:
"There was absolutely no suggestion that it would be after the kick-out or anything like that," he told The Irish Independent. "I simply said 'there's 30 seconds left' and that was from the moment he asked me.
"I said it three times, I'm sure plenty of players heard me and I was on an open mic to all my match officials, including Dickie Murphy who was the overseer on Hawk-Eye, so all of those can confirm what I said.
"Immediately after the game, some Mayo players said to me that 'you said there was going to be another play', but I never said that because there is no such thing as that.
"I can't tell a player to go for goal or anything like that, I can only tell him how much time was left and that is exactly what I did.
"If the ball had gone out for a '45', I would have had to allow that to be played, but otherwise there was 30 seconds left on the clock.
"The player took some time to take the free and when I blew the final whistle there was 74 minutes and 39 seconds on my stopwatch."
If he had time to tell him 3 times that there were 30 seconds left then it was COCs fault. Pretty clear and unambiguous from McQuillan.
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QuoteJoe McQuillan says he told Cillian O'Connor "there's 30 seconds left" as the Mayo player squared up to that late, late free.
O'Connor popped the ball over the bar at the Hill 16 end of Croke Park deep into added time at the end of Sunday's All-Ireland final but the Connacht champions were left irate when the Cavan official blew his final whistle as soon as Stephen Cluxton took his kick-out.
But the four minutes of injury time were clearly up and McQuillan insists he couldn't have been clearer in his instructions to O'Connor:
"There was absolutely no suggestion that it would be after the kick-out or anything like that," he told The Irish Independent. "I simply said 'there's 30 seconds left' and that was from the moment he asked me.
"I said it three times, I'm sure plenty of players heard me and I was on an open mic to all my match officials, including Dickie Murphy who was the overseer on Hawk-Eye, so all of those can confirm what I said.
"Immediately after the game, some Mayo players said to me that 'you said there was going to be another play', but I never said that because there is no such thing as that.
"I can't tell a player to go for goal or anything like that, I can only tell him how much time was left and that is exactly what I did.
"If the ball had gone out for a '45', I would have had to allow that to be played, but otherwise there was 30 seconds left on the clock.
"The player took some time to take the free and when I blew the final whistle there was 74 minutes and 39 seconds on my stopwatch."
If he had time to tell him 3 times that there were 30 seconds left then it was COCs fault. Pretty clear and unambiguous from McQuillan.
Yes but he should have said:
"there are 30 seconds left.....there are 27 seconds left.....there are 24 seconds left....."Not:
"there are 30 seconds left.....there are 30 seconds left........there are 30 seconds left....".Not that it made much difference anyway.
TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 24, 2013
Football in Mayo is alive and well.
If a team loses an evenly-matched game by a point, there's no great mystery in it. The reality of the 2013 Final is that if Mayo caught or broke the next kickout after Cillian O'Connor kicked the final point of the game, thirty seconds would have been an age to either kick the equaliser or engineer a free. That's all that Mayo lost by. A hop of a ball. Nothing else.
Would that have been fair on Dublin? No. It wouldn't. Dublin were the better team over the seventy minutes and deserved their second All-Ireland in three years. Mayo got off to a flyer but didn't score commensurate with their dominance. A very bad goal to give away brought Dublin back, and then Dublin had the upper hand for the rest of the game without ever really putting Mayo away. If Mayo had caught that last kickout, today's narrative would be about how this is a different Mayo team and about Dublin's failure to close it out against Mayo's worst display of the year.
But that's not what happened. Mayo didn't field the final kickout and that was the end of them. Things could very easily have gone differently, and although Dublin deserved to win, that doesn't mean that Mayo couldn't have snatched a draw. Think of the events of 1996, when the shoe was on the other foot.
But this is only your correspondent's opinion, of course. A quick flick through yesterday's papers suggests a different analysis.
I have always, and will always, maintain [sic] that a team will not win an All-Ireland without a marquee forward.
Eoin "The Bomber" Liston, Irish Independent.
But whereas last week I said to myself that if Mayo lost this final it would be a massive setback because they were so good and well prepared, I now feel that they are certainly capable of going further – but not unless they can unearth a forward or two that could be ranked in the top 10 [sic] in the country.
Eugene McGee, Irish Independent.
Interesting, isn't it? McGee isn't always noted for his sympathy to Mayo, but the old buster is the only man for whom the penny has dropped about just how tantalisingly close Mayo were yesterday. Closer than even McGee himself realises.
McGee and the Bomber an the rest trot out this same old stuff about Mayo's lack of quality forwards every year, each man going to stable to take out the same old hobbyhorses for a gallop around the paddock. These are the same people – well, except McGee; he's always been very careful of letting Mayo support get big-headed – who've been telling us all summer long this is the new-model-Mayo, completely different from the one that went before. One game later, and it turns out to be same-old-Mayo all along.
But they can't have it both ways. They can't say that Alan Dillon has been the one shining light upfront for Mayo in ten years and then turn around and say Alan Dillon never had it. Alan Dillon just isn't big time.
They can't say that Mayo were crippled last year by the loss of Andy Moran and then say well, you know, Andy Moran has never been a top-ten forward.
The greatest mystery of all is that of Cillian O'Connor. Cillian O'Connor has racked up 6-22, an average of eight points a game to make him the top scorer in this year's Championship, and then turn around and say that Mayo don't have one marquee forward. If the top-scorer of the Championship isn't a marquee forward, who in God's holy name is?
The argument, insofar as an argument exists, is that many of O'Connor's scores were put up against children of a lesser god; that is to say, that they were scored in the Connacht Championship.
You don't see anyone holding their noses when James O'Donoghue scores 1-3 against mighty Tipperary or when Cork's Daniel Goulding pops five points past hapless Limerick. Tipp and Limerick? Titans of football. Galway and Roscommon? Bums and makeweights. As for why O'Connor's 3-4 against the All-Ireland Champions themselves doesn't count, your correspondent really doesn't know.
But it seems that football pundits just don't care. When it comes to Mayo they are only interested in taking the hobbyhorse over the jumps rather than looking at what's just happened.
If the Mayo full-forward line yesterday wore any jersey other than the green above the red, they would have been given the benefit of the doubt. People are second-guessing James Horan on his substitution of Alan Freeman, but look at the choice he had picking his team during the week.
Horan knows that there are issues with the form of the wing forwards, that Keith Higgins is marking a man who doesn't need marking because he doesn't attack and that Andy Moran and Cillian O'Connor are both walking wounded.
All of that is bad enough, but then the one man who is in form becomes ill during the week and there's now a question mark over all six of the Mayo forwards. Every blessed one of them.
What could Horan do? He did the only thing he could. He danced with the ones who brung him, and hoped for the best. Is he given any credit for it? Does anybody say it's a medical miracle that Cillian O'Connor played at all? Does anyone say that you can't start a totally new inside line in the All-Ireland final of all games? That not even Kerry could do that?
No they don't. Same old Mayo, they say. If Lee Harvey Oswald had been a Mayoman, JFK would be alive today. Ho ho ho. Giddy-up there, hobbyhorse.
Fair enough. It's all only paper talk, after all. Perhaps the real proof of the pudding was in McHale Park last night, where eight thousand turned up to see the minors and seniors come home. That's what football means in the County Mayo.
People are saying that Mayo will never come back from this. We all believe what we must but reader, if you are from outside Mayo think on this; any team with the two O'Sheas starting in midfield will have a fifty-fifty chance in every single game it plays, and the O'Sheas have a good few years in them yet. Mayo go away? Dream on. Mayo are only starting out.
FOCAL SCOIR: Best of luck to Dublin manager Jim Gavin in his attempt to become the fourth member of the Après Match team with his post-match comments about the referee on Sunday. This sort of zaniness is just what tickles the Irish funny bone. Roll on Brazil '14!
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Quote from: BartSimpson on September 24, 2013, 11:10:04 AM
Few of our stars in the forward lines didn't contibute a lot either, Kilkenny and Andrews and Connolly and Mannion, were either below par, or just awful. If any of these had of been up to their usual standards it couldv've been curtins earlier.
Christ that s smug.
Nah. The lads you mentioned were in rude good health but just didn t perform because they were not let. Forget about the hype. Mayo forwards are not as bad as mentioned in dispatches and Dublin s not as good. Dublin s forwards were handled well by the Mayo defenders. End of. That is why they looked below par. And Mayo defenders managed to do this 1 on 1. There was no blanket defense - not even a sweeper. This was not an ultra defensive side they were playing. That needs to be factored in when considering the overall brilliance of the Dublin forwards.
Congrats to Dublin, better team on the day.
I'm still gutted, can only imagine how the players & management are feeling.
Have just watched the match over again and this is one we really could have won.
It was lost on the back of some bad misses - handy free missed by COC, miss from 20 yards from McLoughlin -, the dublin kickouts - we never seemed to be alive to this, credit to Cluxton & Dublin for this - and that little bit of luck that's needed to win the all ireland - MDMAs 45 that wasn't, Cluxton flapped at a long ball in but there was no Mayoman there to take advantage.
Roll on 2014
Really going to take a while to get over this one. Looking at it now in the cold (and slightly more sober!!!) light of day it was really there to be won. Both teams had their dominant periods, us in the first half, Dublin in the second. They made theirs count, we didn't. That's the most basic explanation.
Yet you look at all the small moments that it could have swung on. One more score taken, one less ball given away, one more break that could've gone our way instead of theirs. Cillian's 2 missed frees, Kevin Mc's 2 wides, Keith's Hawkeye call, the free Caff kicked straight to Connolly, Hennelly coming off his line and clattering into Caff for Brogan's goal when he might have been better off staying on his line, the Dublin 45 that had actually gone out off Connolly, an O'Gara push in the back on Caff that he got away with and scored. I think it was Declan Kidney that said it years ago that if you focus on getting enough of the small things right the bigger picture tends to look after itself.
I hope Horan stays, but while he was correct in pointing out our mistakes as a contributing factor, I hope he looks at some of his own decisions also. There are questions about a lot of his tactical and substitution decisions, but the one I think was the most crucial was moving Higgins back as it really de powered our attack. Carolan, while a very good player with a future in this squad, just couldn't compensate for that loss as he doesn't have the positional or defensive sense that Higgins has. Feeney has some of that awareness and is also a highly intelligent footballer, something that was lacking a bit in the end game. I really wonder why he was left on the bench and why Horan had not enough faith in McHale and Keane to come in for Cunniffe.
Anyhow, life goes on. I hope we can learn and rally from Sunday. The only other thing to say is that maybe Lady Luck wasn't smiling on us from a long way out. Our injury list at various times since the start of the year consisted of over half of what would've been first choice players. At no point this year had we all of our first choice forwards fully fit with good game time and form under their belts. Suppose that's just the way it goes.......
That Spailpín article is a bit on the sour side, as I suppose is to be expected. But if you go up to an All Ireland, and don't get a performance from your forwards, then it's not a surprise when people point that out. Jaysus even Mayo people are saying as much.
It would have been more in his line to ask why they didn't get the performance. O'Connor's injury, Freeman's illness and Moran's still rustiness are probably all mitigating factors. But that doesn't explain Alan Dillon and Kevin McLoughlin's display, although in fairness to Dillon he has struggled with knocks too over the years.
Of course it's tiresome, particularly if the believe is that Cillian O'Connor, Moran or Freeman are actually top notch. But they have to prove it on the big stage, and unfortunately for all of them, Sunday was just not going to work out that way, for varying circumstances. Given that, it's hardly surprising that the accepted wisdom is going to remain the same, i.e. that Mayo just dont' have the forwards they need.
Rumours are rife that Horan had a war of words with Feeney before the game at some stage.
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Rumours are rife that Horan had a war of words with Feeney before the game at some stage.
Are we looking at a Paulo di Canio/Sunderland situation??? :o
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 24, 2013, 02:58:53 PM
That Spailpín article is a bit on the sour side, as I suppose is to be expected. But if you go up to an All Ireland, and don't get a performance from your forwards, then it's not a surprise when people point that out. Jaysus even Mayo people are saying as much.
It would have been more in his line to ask why they didn't get the performance. O'Connor's injury, Freeman's illness and Moran's still rustiness are probably all mitigating factors. But that doesn't explain Alan Dillon and Kevin McLoughlin's display, although in fairness to Dillon he has struggled with knocks too over the years.
Of course it's tiresome, particularly if the believe is that Cillian O'Connor, Moran or Freeman are actually top notch. But they have to prove it on the big stage, and unfortunately for all of them, Sunday was just not going to work out that way, for varying circumstances. Given that, it's hardly surprising that the accepted wisdom is going to remain the same, i.e. that Mayo just dont' have the forwards they need.
I'd have to agree.
None of them would be in the top 10 forwards in the country.
I think it was a no-win situation for Cillian O'Connor.
He should have probably kicked it over the bar within 5 seconds of the ref blowing for the free even though it would have meant Dublin players were very close to him, better that than use up 40 seconds as per his usual preparation which refs never add on. However Dublin were winning 95%+ of their own kickouts in the 2nd half so this was unlikely to result in an equaliser.
If he had gone for goal, Dublin would have lined the goal plus would have had a couple of players 7 or 8 yards away from him centrally. Refs never blow up on this technical foul, when by right they should bring the ball to the 14 yard line. For a 14 yard free, the opposition has to stay on the goal-line and if they encroach at all the rules are that it's a penalty. Every 14 yard free I've ever seen, the players encroached before the ball was kicked and I've never ever heard of a penalty been given for this technical foul.
However the likelihood of a goal from a 21 yard free were virtually none in those circumstance, a slightly better chance was if they could engineer a free on the 14 yard line and do a Meehan on it or just recycle the ball out and knock it in high.
One afterthought, why doesn't anyone just stand directly in front of Cluxton when he's about to do a quick kickout? It would have stopped a good few of the 60 yard kicks to players in space.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 24, 2013, 02:58:53 PM
That Spailpín article is a bit on the sour side, as I suppose is to be expected.
A bit touchy and over-sensitive alright. Looking for too many perceived slights against Mayo when in reality even the Mayo lads on here I think have said that not enough of their players performed on the day to get them over the line. The "marquee forward" is probably an overused term in general but really it's just a forward that has the ability to deliver on the big day. And Mayo just didn't have one the last day. On another day who knows?
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Quote from: AZOffaly on September 24, 2013, 02:58:53 PM
That Spailpín article is a bit on the sour side, as I suppose is to be expected. But if you go up to an All Ireland, and don't get a performance from your forwards, then it's not a surprise when people point that out. Jaysus even Mayo people are saying as much.
It would have been more in his line to ask why they didn't get the performance. O'Connor's injury, Freeman's illness and Moran's still rustiness are probably all mitigating factors. But that doesn't explain Alan Dillon and Kevin McLoughlin's display, although in fairness to Dillon he has struggled with knocks too over the years.
Of course it's tiresome, particularly if the believe is that Cillian O'Connor, Moran or Freeman are actually top notch. But they have to prove it on the big stage, and unfortunately for all of them, Sunday was just not going to work out that way, for varying circumstances. Given that, it's hardly surprising that the accepted wisdom is going to remain the same, i.e. that Mayo just dont' have the forwards they need.
I'd have to agree.
None of them would be in the top 10 forwards in the country.
That's fair enough but you have to remember that O'Connor is 21 FFS....Bernard Brogan wasn't a patch on him at same age IMO.
I know it's easy to say what he might/will be like in a few years time now, without actually having produced it the way Brogan has, but IMO he is going to be some footballer in his prime.
Was just reading the AFL thread there - if Pearce had been around this year and last, would results have been different??
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Quote from: AZOffaly on September 24, 2013, 02:58:53 PM
That Spailpín article is a bit on the sour side, as I suppose is to be expected. But if you go up to an All Ireland, and don't get a performance from your forwards, then it's not a surprise when people point that out. Jaysus even Mayo people are saying as much.
It would have been more in his line to ask why they didn't get the performance. O'Connor's injury, Freeman's illness and Moran's still rustiness are probably all mitigating factors. But that doesn't explain Alan Dillon and Kevin McLoughlin's display, although in fairness to Dillon he has struggled with knocks too over the years.
Of course it's tiresome, particularly if the believe is that Cillian O'Connor, Moran or Freeman are actually top notch. But they have to prove it on the big stage, and unfortunately for all of them, Sunday was just not going to work out that way, for varying circumstances. Given that, it's hardly surprising that the accepted wisdom is going to remain the same, i.e. that Mayo just dont' have the forwards they need.
I'd have to agree.
None of them would be in the top 10 forwards in the country.
That's fair enough but you have to remember that O'Connor is 21 FFS....Bernard Brogan wasn't a patch on him at same age IMO.
I know it's easy to say what he might/will be like in a few years time now, without actually having produced it the way Brogan has, but IMO he is going to be some footballer in his prime.
I suppose what I'm trying to say is sometimes you just have to grin and bear it. If you really believe that O'Connor, Freeman, Dillon, Moran etc are as good as that, or have the potential to be, then that's great. But until they actually win an All Ireland and play well doing it, some lads are always going to cast aspertions that way. It's just the way it is.
Kildare have the same issue with the 'natural footballers' thing. Kildare fans will say that's nonsense, and I believe they have some great players, natural forwards etc, but until they are standing there with a trophy and have given a performance in a huge game, it's always going to be trotted out.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on September 24, 2013, 02:58:53 PM
That Spailpín article is a bit on the sour side, as I suppose is to be expected. But if you go up to an All Ireland, and don't get a performance from your forwards, then it's not a surprise when people point that out. Jaysus even Mayo people are saying as much.
It would have been more in his line to ask why they didn't get the performance. O'Connor's injury, Freeman's illness and Moran's still rustiness are probably all mitigating factors. But that doesn't explain Alan Dillon and Kevin McLoughlin's display, although in fairness to Dillon he has struggled with knocks too over the years.
Of course it's tiresome, particularly if the believe is that Cillian O'Connor, Moran or Freeman are actually top notch. But they have to prove it on the big stage, and unfortunately for all of them, Sunday was just not going to work out that way, for varying circumstances. Given that, it's hardly surprising that the accepted wisdom is going to remain the same, i.e. that Mayo just dont' have the forwards they need.
I'd have to agree.
None of them would be in the top 10 forwards in the country.
That's fair enough but you have to remember that O'Connor is 21 FFS....Bernard Brogan wasn't a patch on him at same age IMO.
I know it's easy to say what he might/will be like in a few years time now, without actually having produced it the way Brogan has, but IMO he is going to be some footballer in his prime.
I suppose what I'm trying to say is sometimes you just have to grin and bear it. If you really believe that O'Connor, Freeman, Dillon, Moran etc are as good as that, or have the potential to be, then that's great. But until they actually win an All Ireland and play well doing it, some lads are always going to cast aspertions that way. It's just the way it is.
Kildare have the same issue with the 'natural footballers' thing. Kildare fans will say that's nonsense, and I believe they have some great players, natural forwards etc, but until they are standing there with a trophy and have given a performance in a huge game, it's always going to be trotted out.
Don't get me wrong, agree with you. Under no illusions what we have to do.
Quote from: blanketattack on September 24, 2013, 03:11:55 PM
I think it was a no-win situation for Cillian O'Connor.
I'm reminded of the line I read attributed to George Best as Roberto Baggio stepped up to take what was ultimately the decisive penalty in the 1994 World Cup. "I'd hate to be in his shoes," says George's drinking buddy. "I'd LOVE to be in his shoes," says George. Cillian O'Connor couldn't lose by going for goal as far as I'm concerned. It was highly unlikely he would have scored and no one would have thought less of him if he failed. If he pulled it off though . . .
Quote from: deiseach on September 24, 2013, 03:43:48 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 24, 2013, 03:11:55 PM
I think it was a no-win situation for Cillian O'Connor.
I'm reminded of the line I read attributed to George Best as Roberto Baggio stepped up to take what was ultimately the decisive penalty in the 1994 World Cup. "I'd hate to be in his shoes," says George's drinking buddy. "I'd LOVE to be in his shoes," says George. Cillian O'Connor couldn't lose by going for goal as far as I'm concerned. It was highly unlikely he would have scored and no one would have thought less of him if he failed. If he pulled it off though . . .
oh sailor.... :-*
I wouldnt worry about Mayo not being back next year.
Try a few new lads in the league, keep the others ticking over. Its hard to envisage any situation where they wouldnt be one of the 8 involved in the bank holiday weekend for the quarter-finals, and at that stage they'll have as good a chance as anyone. I'd pick the best one or two of the minors and see how they fare. The Dubs after devastating defeats in 1991, 1992, 1993 and 1994 came back in 95 and won it. Brash minor added, who was never the best footballer in the world, but just added that little spark, that little something different that played a huge part in getting them over the line.
While I'm sure other challengers for Sam will emerge, its probable that the Dubs will still be the team to beat, and no doubt that Dublin 2014 will be better than Dublin 2012, but bound to be a slight edge gone off them as holders.
Quote from: J OGorman on September 24, 2013, 03:47:28 PM
Quote from: deiseach on September 24, 2013, 03:43:48 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 24, 2013, 03:11:55 PM
I think it was a no-win situation for Cillian O'Connor.
I'm reminded of the line I read attributed to George Best as Roberto Baggio stepped up to take what was ultimately the decisive penalty in the 1994 World Cup. "I'd hate to be in his shoes," says George's drinking buddy. "I'd LOVE to be in his shoes," says George. Cillian O'Connor couldn't lose by going for goal as far as I'm concerned. It was highly unlikely he would have scored and no one would have thought less of him if he failed. If he pulled it off though . . .
oh sailor.... :-*
. . . he'd never need to pull it off again.
Quote from: deiseach on September 24, 2013, 03:48:12 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 24, 2013, 03:47:28 PM
Quote from: deiseach on September 24, 2013, 03:43:48 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 24, 2013, 03:11:55 PM
I think it was a no-win situation for Cillian O'Connor.
I'm reminded of the line I read attributed to George Best as Roberto Baggio stepped up to take what was ultimately the decisive penalty in the 1994 World Cup. "I'd hate to be in his shoes," says George's drinking buddy. "I'd LOVE to be in his shoes," says George. Cillian O'Connor couldn't lose by going for goal as far as I'm concerned. It was highly unlikely he would have scored and no one would have thought less of him if he failed. If he pulled it off though . . .
oh sailor.... :-*
. . . he'd never need to pull it off again.
Shout out to Larry O'Gorman!
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 24, 2013, 03:50:57 PM
Quote from: deiseach on September 24, 2013, 03:48:12 PM
. . . he'd never need to pull it off again.
Shout out to Larry O'Gorman!
Fortunately for Larry, he only ever won:
(http://991.com/NewGallery/The-Levellers-Just-The-One-155523.jpg)
Brilliant stuff from Paul Flynn. Always comes across as a decent skin.
http://www.livegaelic.com/craic/paul-flynn-shows-class/ (http://www.livegaelic.com/craic/paul-flynn-shows-class/)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 24, 2013, 03:00:23 PM
Rumours are rife that Horan had a war of words with Feeney before the game at some stage.
Another player to add to the emerging list of 'Horan had a bust up with x player before the game' It's s long list at this stage if I was to believe everything I heard. ::)
Finally a bit of good news (besides from the minors). Slowly but surely beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel again.
Although I would lay a decent proportion of the blame with Horan for the last day, I truely believe he and his current backroom team are the only ones to keep steering the ship in the right direction.
Horan set to stay for another crack at Sam
Tuesday, September 24, 2013
James Horan is expected to take charge of the Mayo team for a fourth season.
Horan set to stay for another crack at Sam
Tuesday, September 24, 2013
James Horan is expected to take charge of the Mayo team for a fourth season.
By Terry Reilly
Deputy Sports Editor
Horan met with the board chiefs in October entering the last of his initial three-year term to clarify his position and extended the role until the end of the 2014 campaign.
However, he was expected to step down after Sunday's All-Ireland final due to work and family commitments.
Quizzed by media as the team was leaving the CityWest Hotel on their way to a homecoming reception at MacHale Park yesterday he remained coy on his future.
"No, it's too nice a day to think about that stuff," he said.
But the Irish Examiner understands he underwent a change of mind following Sunday's one-point loss to Dublin.
It is unknown if key members of his backroom team will be in a position to commit with him.
Horan accepted Mayo's inability to disrupt Stephen Cluxton's kick-outs and a failure to convert early chances cost them the All-Ireland title.
"I thought we dealt with him very well initially," he said. "It would have been different if some of the kick-outs were a result of some scores we got as opposed to wides.
"He's very good at that and you can try to counteract it as much as you can but they probably got stronger throughout the game.
"We made a lot of basic mistakes. We dominated in the first 20 minutes and didn't get the scores we should have. Then Dublin went down and got a soft goal.
"That kept them in it and they only finished a point down at half-time, so that was a killer. We gave away a lot of our turnover ball throughout the game. We had it, gave it away and Dublin counter-attacked.
"That was very hard to deal with and we used a lot of energy defending when we should have been the guys attacking. We didn't get the return [of scores] we should have. Some of the easy chances we missed... you don't win All-Irelands missing those ones."
What he will do is return to the drawing board in an attempt to plot an All-Ireland win for Mayo following seven successive final losses even though this one hurt more than last year's defeat to Donegal.
"It probably feels a bit worse," he said. "I don't know why but it was harder to take. We had enough possession in the first half to do more damage, we didn't do it and it eventually caught us out.
"We could have done better but we just didn't, and that's disappointing. We prepared very well for the game and used a lot of learnings from last year but still came up a bit short. We have to go back and go at it again, that's all we can do."
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Good to hear, hopefully they can go that one huge step further next year
Seen that with Flynn online, this dublin team really impressing me with their off the field attitude
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 24, 2013, 04:51:07 PM
Brilliant stuff from Paul Flynn. Always comes across as a decent skin.
http://www.livegaelic.com/craic/paul-flynn-shows-class/ (http://www.livegaelic.com/craic/paul-flynn-shows-class/)
Fair dues to Flynn, sign of a real gent.
Quote from: spuds on September 24, 2013, 06:37:07 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 24, 2013, 04:51:07 PM
Brilliant stuff from Paul Flynn. Always comes across as a decent skin.
http://www.livegaelic.com/craic/paul-flynn-shows-class/ (http://www.livegaelic.com/craic/paul-flynn-shows-class/)
Fair dues to Flynn, sign of a real gent.
It warms the heart to see something like that, well done Paul Flynn.
Lovely gesture
Though Dont Matter will be along to say Flynno has another 54 jerseys in one of his 23 kit bags
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 24, 2013, 06:22:52 PM
Good to hear, hopefully they can go that one huge step further next year
I ve been listening to savage criticism of Horan all day. It s not an easy job.
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 08:34:59 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 24, 2013, 06:22:52 PM
Good to hear, hopefully they can go that one huge step further next year
I ve been listening to savage criticism of Horan all day. It s not an easy job.
:o Have they completely forgotten 2010???!!
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 24, 2013, 08:44:43 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 08:34:59 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 24, 2013, 06:22:52 PM
Good to hear, hopefully they can go that one huge step further next year
I ve been listening to savage criticism of Horan all day. It s not an easy job.
:o Have they completely forgotten 2010???!!
Of course they have. Those spitting bile wouldn t even have been in Sligo or Longford anyway.
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 08:53:28 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 24, 2013, 08:44:43 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 08:34:59 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 24, 2013, 06:22:52 PM
Good to hear, hopefully they can go that one huge step further next year
I ve been listening to savage criticism of Horan all day. It s not an easy job.
:o Have they completely forgotten 2010???!!
Of course they have. Those spitting bile wouldn t even have been in Sligo or Longford anyway.
Let them off, most people who are asking why didn't Horan do this or didn't do that are only jumping on the who to blame bandwagon! Surprised the referee (who i am in no way blaming) has not got much flack for the last kick fiasco!
Andy was on Newstalk around 7:30 this evening.
Listening to him I'm confident this year is just a step along the way for Sam.
Hard to believe he took the interview and he was just after watching the video of the match.
Lord he obviously sounded gutted but at the same time driven to go on again. As I posted earlier leadership was a bit lacking for us and this is something that can only be instilled over time. Another year and that will be sorted.
Proud of the lads and James Horan this year. Onwards and Upwards now for the FBD.
Quote from: highorlow on September 24, 2013, 09:24:08 PM
Andy was on Newstalk around 7:30 this evening.
Listening to him I'm confident this year is just a step along the way for Sam.
Hard to believe he took the interview and he was just after watching the video of the match.
Lord he obviously sounded gutted but at the same time driven to go on again. As I posted earlier leadership was a bit lacking for us and this is something that can only be instilled over time. Another year and that will be sorted.
Proud of the lads and James Horan this year. Onwards and Upwards now for the FBD.
Saw an interview with Andy yesterday at one of the post game functions. Came over very well, I thought.
Most years I am gutted for weeks after the final but today I feel a sense of determination we will be back in the final next year and will win it. I hope the lads on the team and those surrounding them feel the same or soon will.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 24, 2013, 09:39:07 PM
Most years I am gutted for weeks after the final but today I feel a sense of determination we will be back in the final next year and will win it. I hope the lads on the team and those surrounding them feel the same or soon will.
Funny you say that, I've the same feeling! Strange, but good!
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 24, 2013, 09:39:07 PM
Most years I am gutted for weeks after the final but today I feel a sense of determination we will be back in the final next year and will win it. I hope the lads on the team and those surrounding them feel the same or soon will.
In all seriousness you have a serious outfit there and if you brought the intensity you brought to the Donegal match you would be celebrating still tonight. There is an all Ireland in that side but its a mystery to me and im sure to many why the A game cant be produced on the day. I wish ye luck next time because its not healthy and high time they crossed the line in front.
Quote from: spuds on September 24, 2013, 06:37:07 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 24, 2013, 04:51:07 PM
Brilliant stuff from Paul Flynn. Always comes across as a decent skin.
http://www.livegaelic.com/craic/paul-flynn-shows-class/ (http://www.livegaelic.com/craic/paul-flynn-shows-class/)
Fair dues to Flynn, sign of a real gent.
And a fantastic player to boot.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 24, 2013, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 24, 2013, 09:39:07 PM
Most years I am gutted for weeks after the final but today I feel a sense of determination we will be back in the final next year and will win it. I hope the lads on the team and those surrounding them feel the same or soon will.
Funny you say that, I've the same feeling! Strange, but good!
I predicted about this time last year that we would lose 3 AIs in a row :'( :'( :'(
Chances are that if we do get back to a final next year we will be playing the Dubs again. A semi final would be Munster and a 1/4 could be a Cork or a Kerry! That s the harsh reality but another final is attainable but winning it would be a different matter altogether - especially if it is Dublin again. And the reality is that any opposition would be empowered playing us in a final.
I hope Horan does stay on but the same again will not be good enough again. A few new players need to be found.
Disappointing we had nobody on the bench that could be trusted to mark O Gara. If Caff. goes( I appreciate he s not everybody's cup of tea but....) it leaves a hole and filling it might not be easy. The 2 most likely replacements were not trusted to come on yesterday.
We need genuine 13 corner forward. I still think it was a mistake to discard Regan, but he s barely 20 and another year will see him more mature. But he s the type of player we need imo. Has the quality and wont be fazed by a big occasion. Likes scoring goals and plenty of them.
But apart from that we re not too badly off. There s going to be 5 or 6 All Stars in that squad. What are they going to do? Fishing? Gardening?
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 11:08:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 24, 2013, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 24, 2013, 09:39:07 PM
Most years I am gutted for weeks after the final but today I feel a sense of determination we will be back in the final next year and will win it. I hope the lads on the team and those surrounding them feel the same or soon will.
Funny you say that, I've the same feeling! Strange, but good!
I predicted about this time last year that we would lose 3 AIs in a row :'( :'( :'(
Chances are that if we do get back to a final next year we will be playing the Dubs again. A semi final would be Munster and a 1/4 could be a Cork or a Kerry! That s the harsh reality but another final is attainable but winning it would be a different matter altogether - especially if it is Dublin again. And the reality is that any opposition would be empowered playing us in a final.
I hope Horan does stay on but the same again will not be good enough again. A few new players need to be found.
Disappointing we had nobody on the bench that could be trusted to mark O Gara. If Caff. goes( I appreciate he s not everybody's cup of tea but....) it leaves a hole and filling it might not be easy. The 2 most likely replacements were not trusted to come on yesterday.
We need genuine 13 corner forward. I still think it was a mistake to discard Regan, but he s barely 20 and another year will see him more mature. But he s the type of player we need imo. Has the quality and wont be fazed by a big occasion. Likes scoring goals and plenty of them.
But apart from that we re not too badly off. There s going to be 5 or 6 All Stars in that squad. What are they going to do? Fishing? Gardening?
Is there talk of Caff going?
If he is, it's the first I've heard of it and I hope t God it's not true. Okay, he took a few wrong options on Sunday but, overall, he had a fine game. The corner backs had their hands full and Caff was left one on one with Brogan far too many times. I think he coped as well as any other FB in the land could.
I don't think anyone on the bench could have done a better job. I guess O'Carroll will beat him to an All-Star this year but, going by his form all year, I'd not be surprised if Caff gets the award.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 24, 2013, 11:22:17 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 11:08:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 24, 2013, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 24, 2013, 09:39:07 PM
Most years I am gutted for weeks after the final but today I feel a sense of determination we will be back in the final next year and will win it. I hope the lads on the team and those surrounding them feel the same or soon will.
Funny you say that, I've the same feeling! Strange, but good!
I predicted about this time last year that we would lose 3 AIs in a row :'( :'( :'(
Chances are that if we do get back to a final next year we will be playing the Dubs again. A semi final would be Munster and a 1/4 could be a Cork or a Kerry! That s the harsh reality but another final is attainable but winning it would be a different matter altogether - especially if it is Dublin again. And the reality is that any opposition would be empowered playing us in a final.
I hope Horan does stay on but the same again will not be good enough again. A few new players need to be found.
Disappointing we had nobody on the bench that could be trusted to mark O Gara. If Caff. goes( I appreciate he s not everybody's cup of tea but....) it leaves a hole and filling it might not be easy. The 2 most likely replacements were not trusted to come on yesterday.
We need genuine 13 corner forward. I still think it was a mistake to discard Regan, but he s barely 20 and another year will see him more mature. But he s the type of player we need imo. Has the quality and wont be fazed by a big occasion. Likes scoring goals and plenty of them.
But apart from that we re not too badly off. There s going to be 5 or 6 All Stars in that squad. What are they going to do? Fishing? Gardening?
Is there talk of Caff going?
If he is, it's the first I've heard of it and I hope t God it's not true. Okay, he took a few wrong options on Sunday but, overall, he had a fine game. The corner backs had their hands full and Caff was left one on one with Brogan far too many times. I think he coped as well as any other FB in the land could.
I don't think anyone on the bench could have done a better job. I guess O'Carroll will beat him to an All-Star this year but, going by his form all year, I'd not be surprised if Caff gets the award.
There's talk of a few players going traveling next year, not sure if Caff is one. Can't blame them really. The last three years of their lives have been dictated by football. They deserve a break. That's why I really thought this was the year for us.
Caff is going to be a massive loss. Read a very good article about him before the final, seems to be so down to earth and dedicated to football.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 24, 2013, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 24, 2013, 09:39:07 PM
Most years I am gutted for weeks after the final but today I feel a sense of determination we will be back in the final next year and will win it. I hope the lads on the team and those surrounding them feel the same or soon will.
Funny you say that, I've the same feeling! Strange, but good!
If history repeats itself it will be six or seven years before Mayo reach another senior All Ireland final.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 24, 2013, 11:22:17 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 11:08:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 24, 2013, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 24, 2013, 09:39:07 PM
Most years I am gutted for weeks after the final but today I feel a sense of determination we will be back in the final next year and will win it. I hope the lads on the team and those surrounding them feel the same or soon will.
Funny you say that, I've the same feeling! Strange, but good!
I predicted about this time last year that we would lose 3 AIs in a row :'( :'( :'(
Chances are that if we do get back to a final next year we will be playing the Dubs again. A semi final would be Munster and a 1/4 could be a Cork or a Kerry! That s the harsh reality but another final is attainable but winning it would be a different matter altogether - especially if it is Dublin again. And the reality is that any opposition would be empowered playing us in a final.
I hope Horan does stay on but the same again will not be good enough again. A few new players need to be found.
Disappointing we had nobody on the bench that could be trusted to mark O Gara. If Caff. goes( I appreciate he s not everybody's cup of tea but....) it leaves a hole and filling it might not be easy. The 2 most likely replacements were not trusted to come on yesterday.
We need genuine 13 corner forward. I still think it was a mistake to discard Regan, but he s barely 20 and another year will see him more mature. But he s the type of player we need imo. Has the quality and wont be fazed by a big occasion. Likes scoring goals and plenty of them.
But apart from that we re not too badly off. There s going to be 5 or 6 All Stars in that squad. What are they going to do? Fishing? Gardening?
Is there talk of Caff going?
If he is, it's the first I've heard of it and I hope t God it's not true. Okay, he took a few wrong options on Sunday but, overall, he had a fine game. The corner backs had their hands full and Caff was left one on one with Brogan far too many times. I think he coped as well as any other FB in the land could.
I don't think anyone on the bench could have done a better job. I guess O'Carroll will beat him to an All-Star this year but, going by his form all year, I'd not be surprised if Caff gets the award.
Look, I know that likes of Ros. hates him but he has developed into a very good defender. Apart from the give away point to Connolly he did f**k all wrong. The Brogan goals? I would put neither down to Ger.
From what I m hearing China is beckoning ( might be a pile of shite) because he has to learn Cantonese or something. Sure we re all going to be owned by China soon enough. Good culture and class eventually get to the top.
Overall most of the Mayo backs were heroic against what was considered a special forward line. Cunniffe, Barrett. Keegan, Boyle, Higgins, Caff. were beyond reproach. Without a sweeper or a blanket we managed to cope one on one. Mannion, Connolly, Andrews, Kilkenny are quality players and we coped. But from Seamie up we were a disappointment. If Aidan and the forwards played as well as the backs Sam would be in Ballina tonight. C'est La Vie.
The game was lost elsewhere, but unfortunately Hennelly and Caff. will have to carry the can as far as a lot of the local gobshites are concerned.
Just watched on sky plus there. Poor final all in all. Dublin were the much slicker unit in the second half. That mayo were so poor yet do close at the end was strange. On top of that, despite jim Gavin's utterances, mcquillan proved friendly to dublin sides yet again (think Vincent's vs nemo, dublin vs kerry 2011). And not just on timekeeping. All the stats about frees given is well and good but I can't see any free dublin should have got that they didn't.
Meanwhile...be4 mdm saved effort leading to cluxtons 45 o gara blatantly hauls back cunniffe be4 feeding mdm;andy Moran pulled down just be4 half time by Rory o Carroll (stonewall free and score), dean rock with one handed throw to MDM be4 lay off to Flynn for his point, o gara had 2 blatant yellow card offences (pulling players to ground then kneeling on them to stop quick free) be4 his 3rd rugby tackle gets a card.
In a 1 point game every call matters. The bit of luck fell the dubs way too. Cluxton was blessed to get a bit of mcloughlins hopeful lob in 1st half; Cafferky got too light a touch on bb 1st half goal .
Cluxton s influence was immense. Bar 1 kick out over the line in 1st half and one that Connolly overran and keegan caught, he was flawless. That delivery of possession was crucial.
Dublin's subs all got on the ball...Carolan varley and Moran didnt. Vaughan hardly had ball in hand; Aos was very quiet.mayos tackling was superb, hence the low free count.
Thought watching on Sunday that Connolly was poor but he played some great passes in 2nd half. Kilkenny could have been motm if he finished his relatively easy chances. Brennan played well and was tidy in possession. When he landed they score the writing was on the wall.
Mayos lack of composure/strength in half forward line cost them. Dillon was playing injured and mcloughlin had a mare.taking freeman off looked silly when watching it again too.
Feeney must be wondering what he's done wrong. On evidence of semi and final Seamie o shea should be mayos midfield Allstar
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 24, 2013, 11:47:54 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 24, 2013, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 24, 2013, 09:39:07 PM
Most years I am gutted for weeks after the final but today I feel a sense of determination we will be back in the final next year and will win it. I hope the lads on the team and those surrounding them feel the same or soon will.
Funny you say that, I've the same feeling! Strange, but good!
If history repeats itself it will be six or seven years before Mayo reach another senior All Ireland final.
While you re at it just give me a bottle of Jack and a rope! Why do you have to gloat?
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 24, 2013, 04:51:07 PM
Brilliant stuff from Paul Flynn. Always comes across as a decent skin.
http://www.livegaelic.com/craic/paul-flynn-shows-class/ (http://www.livegaelic.com/craic/paul-flynn-shows-class/)
Great stuff.
I'd be confident that Tyrone would have best those two performances on Sunday.
By the way Jim Gavin was very clever to give out about the referee and further extoll his teams valid after the match. Dublin were a disgrace and a different ref would have done them over. Far too kind for them. Worst final in living menory
Quote from: rrhf on September 25, 2013, 07:42:00 AM
I'd be confident that Tyrone would have best those two performances on Sunday.
You'd be wrong.
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 24, 2013, 11:39:08 PM
There's talk of a few players going traveling next year, not sure if Caff is one. Can't blame them really. The last three years of their lives have been dictated by football. They deserve a break. That's why I really thought this was the year for us.
Caff is going to be a massive loss. Read a very good article about him before the final, seems to be so down to earth and dedicated to football.
Jesus lad. You start by saying there's
talk about a few players going travelling (which there is in every county every year), then say you have
no idea whether Ger is one of them, and finish with the statement that
he's going to be a massive loss.
That's how BS rumours start. I'm sure that's not your intention but everything spoke about at this time of year should be taken with a healthy pinch of salt.
Quote from: rrhf on September 25, 2013, 07:42:00 AM
I'd be confident that Tyrone would have best those two performances on Sunday.
Tyrone 2003 maybe, Tyrone 2005 and 2008 yes. Tyrone 2013, no chance, what so all.
There's red and white tinted glasses, then there's red and white glasses that prevent you seeing what's really happening. Which is what you're wearing.
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 11:08:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 24, 2013, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 24, 2013, 09:39:07 PM
Most years I am gutted for weeks after the final but today I feel a sense of determination we will be back in the final next year and will win it. I hope the lads on the team and those surrounding them feel the same or soon will.
Funny you say that, I've the same feeling! Strange, but good!
I predicted about this time last year that we would lose 3 AIs in a row :'( :'( :'(
Chances are that if we do get back to a final next year we will be playing the Dubs again. A semi final would be Munster and a 1/4 could be a Cork or a Kerry! That s the harsh reality but another final is attainable but winning it would be a different matter altogether - especially if it is Dublin again. And the reality is that any opposition would be empowered playing us in a final.
I hope Horan does stay on but the same again will not be good enough again. A few new players need to be found.
Disappointing we had nobody on the bench that could be trusted to mark O Gara. If Caff. goes( I appreciate he s not everybody's cup of tea but....) it leaves a hole and filling it might not be easy. The 2 most likely replacements were not trusted to come on yesterday.
We need genuine 13 corner forward. I still think it was a mistake to discard Regan, but he s barely 20 and another year will see him more mature. But he s the type of player we need imo. Has the quality and wont be fazed by a big occasion. Likes scoring goals and plenty of them.
But apart from that we re not too badly off. There s going to be 5 or 6 All Stars in that squad. What are they going to do? Fishing? Gardening?
I know this is a bad week but Caff is one of the reasons we now play football in September. And he played very well on Sunday too, the first Brogan goal was a flap from the keeper, Cluxton had one as well but that one didn't go our way. The 2nd goal, the much maligned Bastick ran through unopposed and unlike his midfield partners against Kerry, instinctively took the right option at the right time and made it easy for Brogan. Brilliant for Brogan and just unfortunate for Caff, but anyone who knows the game at all knows how good he is.
Quote from: rrhf on September 25, 2013, 07:42:00 AM
I'd be confident that Tyrone would have best those two performances on Sunday.
I'd be continent of beating Andy Murray in Wimbledon, if only I made the Final.
Good man Paul Flynn :D
http://www.livegaelic.com/news/paul-flynn-shows-class/
Lads listen the future is bright for Mayo. There was an u10 blitz at kilmacud and Cross u10s were down. People I know were in Castlebar driving around looking for the big screen that was showing the match. They had MidWest radio on and they were listening to the sports report. There was an excellent piece congratulating Ballina Stephenites on beating Cross u10s! (It failed to say that it was a final group game and that they were knocked out in the next game) Another Mayo team failing at the final hurdle (cross won the Cup competition BTW ;D)
Quote from: muppet on September 25, 2013, 08:58:14 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 25, 2013, 07:42:00 AM
I'd be confident that Tyrone would have best those two performances on Sunday.
I'd be continent of beating Andy Murray in Wimbledon, if only I made the Final.
What if you drank too much Robinsons barley water?
Quote from: Jinxy on September 25, 2013, 09:32:45 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 25, 2013, 08:58:14 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 25, 2013, 07:42:00 AM
I'd be confident that Tyrone would have best those two performances on Sunday.
I'd be continent of beating Andy Murray in Wimbledon, if only I made the Final.
What if you drank too much Robinsons barley water?
He might be incontinent
Quote from: rrhf on September 25, 2013, 07:42:00 AM
I'd be confident that Tyrone would have best those two performances on Sunday.
I severly doubt Tyrone would have best either of those two footballing juggernauts @ the weekend
Excellent interview with Andy on Newstalk last nite, said he expected Horan to be back which would be great news. He sat down and watched the match again yesterday, as Wooly said with the nagover and the fear how is that even possible.
Andy also talked about lads looking for their S&C programmes in the next four weeks
Unbelievable commitment, a credit to Mayo
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 11:08:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 24, 2013, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 24, 2013, 09:39:07 PM
Most years I am gutted for weeks after the final but today I feel a sense of determination we will be back in the final next year and will win it. I hope the lads on the team and those surrounding them feel the same or soon will.
Funny you say that, I've the same feeling! Strange, but good!
I predicted about this time last year that we would lose 3 AIs in a row :'( :'( :'(
That is very depressing really. Just because it's Mayo.
Are kids marked from birth ? How did Tyrone deal with over a century of winning nothing?
Even Armagh won an all Ireland ;).
I would get Billy Morgan and Nudie Hughes up to Ballina to talk about thinking positive
despite a long, long history of failure.
Nudie especially.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntousxt8iJ8
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 25, 2013, 10:49:43 AM
Excellent interview with Andy on Newstalk last nite, said he expected Horan to be back which would be great news. He sat down and watched the match again yesterday, as Wooly said with the nagover and the fear how is that even possible.
Andy also talked about lads looking for their S&C programmes in the next four weeks
Unbelievable commitment, a credit to Mayo
It is almost October, if they weren't looking for off-season training at this stage they'd be failing behind.
We won't know what scars Sunday inflicted until May or June at the earliest. Andy's as positive a man as there is but this was the sort of blow few teams come back better from. We'll see.
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 25, 2013, 05:59:53 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 24, 2013, 04:51:07 PM
Brilliant stuff from Paul Flynn. Always comes across as a decent skin.
http://www.livegaelic.com/craic/paul-flynn-shows-class/ (http://www.livegaelic.com/craic/paul-flynn-shows-class/)
Great stuff.
Well done Paul Flynn.
Quote from: seafoid on September 25, 2013, 10:52:56 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 11:08:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 24, 2013, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 24, 2013, 09:39:07 PM
Most years I am gutted for weeks after the final but today I feel a sense of determination we will be back in the final next year and will win it. I hope the lads on the team and those surrounding them feel the same or soon will.
Funny you say that, I've the same feeling! Strange, but good!
I predicted about this time last year that we would lose 3 AIs in a row :'( :'( :'(
That is very depressing really. Just because it's Mayo.
Are kids marked from birth ? How did Tyrone deal with over a century of winning nothing?
Even Armagh won an all Ireland ;).
I would get Billy Morgan and Nudie Hughes up to Ballina to talk about thinking positive
despite a long, long history of failure.
Nudie especially.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntousxt8iJ8
How many All-Irelands has Nudie Hughes? And Billy Morgan's last reign in charge of Cork yielded nothing that Mayo teams haven't already achieved over the past 20 years.
Quote from: seafoid on September 25, 2013, 10:52:56 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 11:08:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 24, 2013, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 24, 2013, 09:39:07 PM
Most years I am gutted for weeks after the final but today I feel a sense of determination we will be back in the final next year and will win it. I hope the lads on the team and those surrounding them feel the same or soon will.
Funny you say that, I've the same feeling! Strange, but good!
I predicted about this time last year that we would lose 3 AIs in a row :'( :'( :'(
That is very depressing really. Just because it's Mayo.
Are kids marked from birth ? How did Tyrone deal with over a century of winning nothing?
Even Armagh won an all Ireland ;).
I would get Billy Morgan and Nudie Hughes up to Ballina to talk about thinking positive
despite a long, long history of failure.
Nudie especially.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntousxt8iJ8
Of course its depressing and I realise this shit has me depressed for years.
It s not because I m negative - I ve seen us lose 7 AIs in a row ffs and any amount of psychobabble bullshit from Nudie or anybody else is going to change that. Another final next year against the same opposition would probably end up similarly imo. Experience informs me that that would be the most likely outcome. Sure there would be Mayo fans full of bluster again. I cant do that. I d be a happier man if I could. At least I d be able to enjoy the build up rather than being pissed off even before we lose.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 25, 2013, 10:49:43 AM
Excellent interview with Andy on Newstalk last nite, said he expected Horan to be back which would be great news. He sat down and watched the match again yesterday, as Wooly said with the nagover and the fear how is that even possible.
Andy also talked about lads looking for their S&C programmes in the next four weeks
Unbelievable commitment, a credit to Mayo
They said that last year too!
Quote from: moysider on September 25, 2013, 11:48:07 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 25, 2013, 10:52:56 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 11:08:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 24, 2013, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 24, 2013, 09:39:07 PM
Most years I am gutted for weeks after the final but today I feel a sense of determination we will be back in the final next year and will win it. I hope the lads on the team and those surrounding them feel the same or soon will.
Funny you say that, I've the same feeling! Strange, but good!
I predicted about this time last year that we would lose 3 AIs in a row :'( :'( :'(
That is very depressing really. Just because it's Mayo.
Are kids marked from birth ? How did Tyrone deal with over a century of winning nothing?
Even Armagh won an all Ireland ;).
I would get Billy Morgan and Nudie Hughes up to Ballina to talk about thinking positive
despite a long, long history of failure.
Nudie especially.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntousxt8iJ8
Of course its depressing and I realise this shit has me depressed for years.
It s not because I m negative - I ve seen us lose 7 AIs in a row ffs and any amount of psychobabble bullshit from Nudie or anybody else is going to change that. Another final next year against the same opposition would probably end up similarly imo. Experience informs me that that would be the most likely outcome. Sure there would be Mayo fans full of bluster again. I cant do that. I d be a happier man if I could. At least I d be able to enjoy the build up rather than being pissed off even before we lose.
Feel exactly the same Moysider, this has to be the greatest pisser of a final loss, i genuinely think, if we are in the same position again next year, the outcome will not be any different.................its a shit feeling at the moment...............
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 25, 2013, 12:10:59 PM
Feel exactly the same Moysider, this has to be the greatest pisser of a final loss, i genuinely think, if we are in the same position again next year, the outcome will not be any different.................its a shit feeling at the moment...............
That's because it's the most recent and raw...they are all equal for me anyway.
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 11:08:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 24, 2013, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 24, 2013, 09:39:07 PM
Most years I am gutted for weeks after the final but today I feel a sense of determination we will be back in the final next year and will win it. I hope the lads on the team and those surrounding them feel the same or soon will.
Funny you say that, I've the same feeling! Strange, but good!
I predicted about this time last year that we would lose 3 AIs in a row :'( :'( :'(
Chances are that if we do get back to a final next year we will be playing the Dubs again. A semi final would be Munster and a 1/4 could be a Cork or a Kerry! That s the harsh reality but another final is attainable but winning it would be a different matter altogether - especially if it is Dublin again. And the reality is that any opposition would be empowered playing us in a final.
I hope Horan does stay on but the same again will not be good enough again. A few new players need to be found.
Disappointing we had nobody on the bench that could be trusted to mark O Gara. If Caff. goes( I appreciate he s not everybody's cup of tea but....) it leaves a hole and filling it might not be easy. The 2 most likely replacements were not trusted to come on yesterday.
We need genuine 13 corner forward. I still think it was a mistake to discard Regan, but he s barely 20 and another year will see him more mature. But he s the type of player we need imo. Has the quality and wont be fazed by a big occasion. Likes scoring goals and plenty of them.
But apart from that we re not too badly off. There s going to be 5 or 6 All Stars in that squad. What are they going to do? Fishing? Gardening?
What age is The Mort now?
You know what pisses me off most since Sunday. Its like a fukcin competition to see who can express their disappointment the most. Everywhere I turn someone wants to say how heartbreaking this lose is, how depressed they are and we'll never recover from this. Get a fukcin grip. Nobody died. Its a game of shaggin football. Mayo always bounce back and will again so just be patient and quit the feckin whining.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 25, 2013, 12:19:08 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 25, 2013, 12:10:59 PM
Feel exactly the same Moysider, this has to be the greatest pisser of a final loss, i genuinely think, if we are in the same position again next year, the outcome will not be any different.................its a shit feeling at the moment...............
That's because it's the most recent and raw...they are all equal for me anyway.
Lads, this is nowhere close to the dark days of 04 and 06 for me. We were humiliated and a million miles away from winning those days.
That was not the case last year or this year.
We don't know how close we'll be next year or who will/won't be involved, but there's a lot more to be optimistic about than after the Kerry drubbings.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 25, 2013, 12:47:46 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 25, 2013, 12:19:08 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 25, 2013, 12:10:59 PM
Feel exactly the same Moysider, this has to be the greatest pisser of a final loss, i genuinely think, if we are in the same position again next year, the outcome will not be any different.................its a shit feeling at the moment...............
That's because it's the most recent and raw...they are all equal for me anyway.
Lads, this is nowhere close to the dark days of 04 and 06 for me. We were humiliated and a million miles away from winning those days.
That was not the case last year or this year.
We don't know how close we'll be next year or who will/won't be involved, but there's a lot more to be optimistic about than after the Kerry drubbings.
Aye, true, we got our asses handed to us those years.
As criostlinn says, we'll be back, the football will never stop and we'll come again like we always do.
Now when do we start sticking the knives into each other, when are the Club 1/4 finals?
What I f**king hate the most is the pity, the ah ye deserve to win one attitude.
We dont deserve anything until we win it
And that attitude is grand from Dubs, Kerry even tyrones but the rest of the people can f**k right off. I'd sooner have lost 7 than not been in them.
The craic and excitement leading up to All Ireland final day is brilliant, I can only imagine that we'll turn into arseholes once we do win it.
As Keith Duggan wrote after 06 Kerry (and maybe Dublin) are the only ones who can feel sorry for us really
Quote from: criostlinn on September 25, 2013, 12:33:57 PM
You know what pisses me off most since Sunday. Its like a fukcin competition to see who can express their disappointment the most. Everywhere I turn someone wants to say how heartbreaking this lose is, how depressed they are and we'll never recover from this. Get a fukcin grip. Nobody died. Its a game of shaggin football. Mayo always bounce back and will again so just be patient and quit the feckin whining.
There's a quote, attributed in my memory to Ger Loughnane after his Clare team came up short yet again in a Munster final. It went something like this: "I know no-one died, but at this moment it feels worse than that." It isn't a sign of weakness or hysteria to admit it hurts. If it didn't, you wouldn't get any thrill out of victory either.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 25, 2013, 12:25:17 PM
[What age is The Mort now?
He's the same age as Alan Dillon, 31!
and we are not going there!
Quote from: deiseach on September 25, 2013, 01:33:31 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 25, 2013, 12:33:57 PM
You know what pisses me off most since Sunday. Its like a fukcin competition to see who can express their disappointment the most. Everywhere I turn someone wants to say how heartbreaking this lose is, how depressed they are and we'll never recover from this. Get a fukcin grip. Nobody died. Its a game of shaggin football. Mayo always bounce back and will again so just be patient and quit the feckin whining.
There's a quote, attributed in my memory to Ger Loughnane after his Clare team came up short yet again in a Munster final. It went something like this: "I know no-one died, but at this moment it feels worse than that." It isn't a sign of weakness or hysteria to admit it hurts. If it didn't, you wouldn't get any thrill out of victory either.
The bould 50 cent was on the radio yesterday..song had lyrics that I had a wry smile at given the timing : "Joy wouldn't feel so good, if it wasn't for pain"
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2013, 08:06:58 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 25, 2013, 07:42:00 AM
I'd be confident that Tyrone would have best those two performances on Sunday.
You'd be wrong.
Bet you think the same about the minor final? ;D
Quote from: ballinaman on September 25, 2013, 01:38:50 PM
Quote from: deiseach on September 25, 2013, 01:33:31 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 25, 2013, 12:33:57 PM
You know what pisses me off most since Sunday. Its like a fukcin competition to see who can express their disappointment the most. Everywhere I turn someone wants to say how heartbreaking this lose is, how depressed they are and we'll never recover from this. Get a fukcin grip. Nobody died. Its a game of shaggin football. Mayo always bounce back and will again so just be patient and quit the feckin whining.
There's a quote, attributed in my memory to Ger Loughnane after his Clare team came up short yet again in a Munster final. It went something like this: "I know no-one died, but at this moment it feels worse than that." It isn't a sign of weakness or hysteria to admit it hurts. If it didn't, you wouldn't get any thrill out of victory either.
The bould 50 cent was on the radio yesterday..song had lyrics that I had a wry smile at given the timing : "Joy wouldn't feel so good, if it wasn't for pain"
Deep shit man.
Quote from: deiseach on September 25, 2013, 01:42:09 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 25, 2013, 01:38:50 PM
Quote from: deiseach on September 25, 2013, 01:33:31 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 25, 2013, 12:33:57 PM
You know what pisses me off most since Sunday. Its like a fukcin competition to see who can express their disappointment the most. Everywhere I turn someone wants to say how heartbreaking this lose is, how depressed they are and we'll never recover from this. Get a fukcin grip. Nobody died. Its a game of shaggin football. Mayo always bounce back and will again so just be patient and quit the feckin whining.
There's a quote, attributed in my memory to Ger Loughnane after his Clare team came up short yet again in a Munster final. It went something like this: "I know no-one died, but at this moment it feels worse than that." It isn't a sign of weakness or hysteria to admit it hurts. If it didn't, you wouldn't get any thrill out of victory either.
The bould 50 cent was on the radio yesterday..song had lyrics that I had a wry smile at given the timing : "Joy wouldn't feel so good, if it wasn't for pain"
Deep shit man.
I know, the Yeats of our generation..... ;D
Quote from: Jinxy on September 25, 2013, 12:25:17 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 11:08:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 24, 2013, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 24, 2013, 09:39:07 PM
Most years I am gutted for weeks after the final but today I feel a sense of determination we will be back in the final next year and will win it. I hope the lads on the team and those surrounding them feel the same or soon will.
Funny you say that, I've the same feeling! Strange, but good!
I predicted about this time last year that we would lose 3 AIs in a row :'( :'( :'(
Chances are that if we do get back to a final next year we will be playing the Dubs again. A semi final would be Munster and a 1/4 could be a Cork or a Kerry! That s the harsh reality but another final is attainable but winning it would be a different matter altogether - especially if it is Dublin again. And the reality is that any opposition would be empowered playing us in a final.
I hope Horan does stay on but the same again will not be good enough again. A few new players need to be found.
Disappointing we had nobody on the bench that could be trusted to mark O Gara. If Caff. goes( I appreciate he s not everybody's cup of tea but....) it leaves a hole and filling it might not be easy. The 2 most likely replacements were not trusted to come on yesterday.
We need genuine 13 corner forward. I still think it was a mistake to discard Regan, but he s barely 20 and another year will see him more mature. But he s the type of player we need imo. Has the quality and wont be fazed by a big occasion. Likes scoring goals and plenty of them.
But apart from that we re not too badly off. There s going to be 5 or 6 All Stars in that squad. What are they going to do? Fishing? Gardening?
What age is The Mort now?
He's just over the 30 mark.
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 25, 2013, 12:10:59 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 25, 2013, 11:48:07 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 25, 2013, 10:52:56 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 11:08:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 24, 2013, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 24, 2013, 09:39:07 PM
Most years I am gutted for weeks after the final but today I feel a sense of determination we will be back in the final next year and will win it. I hope the lads on the team and those surrounding them feel the same or soon will.
Funny you say that, I've the same feeling! Strange, but good!
I predicted about this time last year that we would lose 3 AIs in a row :'( :'( :'(
That is very depressing really. Just because it's Mayo.
Are kids marked from birth ? How did Tyrone deal with over a century of winning nothing?
Even Armagh won an all Ireland ;).
I would get Billy Morgan and Nudie Hughes up to Ballina to talk about thinking positive
despite a long, long history of failure.
Nudie especially.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntousxt8iJ8
Of course its depressing and I realise this shit has me depressed for years.
It s not because I m negative - I ve seen us lose 7 AIs in a row ffs and any amount of psychobabble bullshit from Nudie or anybody else is going to change that. Another final next year against the same opposition would probably end up similarly imo. Experience informs me that that would be the most likely outcome. Sure there would be Mayo fans full of bluster again. I cant do that. I d be a happier man if I could. At least I d be able to enjoy the build up rather than being pissed off even before we lose.
Feel exactly the same Moysider, this has to be the greatest pisser of a final loss, i genuinely think, if we are in the same position again next year, the outcome will not be any different.................its a shit feeling at the moment...............
I know a few Indian cricket fans and they always talk about pre Kapil Dev and and post him. They never won anything until 1983 and the Cricket World Cup. Even serial losers turn things around. Dev was amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1olxt_qLAm4
A Dream Deferred
by Langston Hughes
Langston Hughes homepage
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?
Never give up Mayo!!
Only dawned on me reading the paper there but Cluxton scored the winning point again on Sunday, two All-irelands he has done that.
Trying to remember as well but wasn't that for a "free" on Brogan that was never a free?
Munster.
Then Leinster.
Remember the few thousand Mayo fans in Croker against Cork 2011? When it comes it will catch us off guard and it will be amazing.
For the moment we can rejoice in being the Ark Garfunkel to Dublin's Paul Simon. We are the Andrew Ridgely to Kerry's George Michael. We are the Rhydian to Tyrone's eh...I forget who won that one.
Quote from: seafoid on September 25, 2013, 01:59:40 PM
.......... Even serial losers turn things around. Dev was amazing.
Dev Óg isn't half the man ;)
AS THE CELEBRATIONS raged around him, Jonny Cooper had the presence of mind to check in on an old friend.
For the Dublin defender an All-Ireland medal was a fitting end to his first full Championship season and the perfect tonic after watching the capital's 2011 win from the stands.
For goalkeeper Rob Hennelly and all of Mayo, Sunday's one-point defeat was another room to add to the county's house of pain.
Cooper and Hennelly were team-mates on the DCU side which won the Sigerson Cup in 2012 and, amid the agony and ecstasy, they shared a touching moment of sportsmanship
(http://s1.thejournal.ie/media/2013/09/jonny-cooper-consoles-robert-hennelly-after-the-game-2292013-5-332x500.jpg)
"Team mates are team mates and I'd be very good friends with Rob from DCU," Cooper explained. "I suppose we've soldiered together for a number of years in DCU.
"It is what it is when you go over the white line. That's the way it goes. One of us was going to be victorious and one of us wasn't.
Cooper finished Sunday's final on the sidelines, substituted in the second half after an accidental clash of heads with Mayo captain Andy Moran left him concussed and visibly dazed.
Manager Jim Gavin and the Dublin medical team quickly knew that Cooper was in no way fit to continue, an assessment backed up when the Na Fianna man vomited in the dugout minutes later.
"I definitely can remember the game," Cooper said. "I think I was sitting on the bench with Alan Brogan and Paddy Andrews and just kind of asked them to keep me up to date with the goings on in the match.
I suppose All-Irelands are there to be won," he added. "We had to try and dive on every ball and if we could do that, we'd be in with a chance of being victorious. That's what it was going to take."
If Sunday was tough, Cooper knows that retaining Dublin's All-Ireland crown in 2014 will be every bit as difficult.
"You can see with Donegal this year and ourselves last year, it definitely was difficult.
"We'll enjoy this moment as it is and when Jim gets back down to earth in a couple of weeks, I have no doubt we'll get focused again.
So good guys don't always finish second
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 25, 2013, 01:22:34 PM
What I f**king hate the most is the pity, the ah ye deserve to win one attitude.
We dont deserve anything until we win it
And that attitude is grand from Dubs, Kerry even tyrones but the rest of the people can f**k right off. I'd sooner have lost 7 than not been in them.
The craic and excitement leading up to All Ireland final day is brilliant, I can only imagine that we'll turn into arseholes once we do win it.
As Keith Duggan wrote after 06 Kerry (and maybe Dublin) are the only ones who can feel sorry for us really
Mayo will get there eventually. I remember when Cork lost to Meath in 87 and 88 the feeling of despair around the place (especially after the controversial surroundings of the 88 final. They got nothing both grief within the county (they were soft, couldn't physically stand up to Meath, could not be relied on like the hurlers), but they came back from it and won the following year and then beat Meath the year after that after being down to 14 men for the majority of the match. (In my mind, the sweetest All Ireland Cork have ever won in both codes) That same group went through the heartbreak of 87 and 88 to emerge from it and Mayo can do it as well.
Quote from: JBM on the 21 on September 25, 2013, 02:44:39 PM
Mayo will get there eventually. I remember when Cork lost to Meath in 87 and 88 the feeling of despair around the place (especially after the controversial surroundings of the 88 final. They got nothing both grief within the county (they were soft, couldn't physically stand up to Meath, could not be relied on like the hurlers), but they came back from it and won the following year and then beat Meath the year after that after being down to 14 men for the majority of the match. (In my mind, the sweetest All Ireland Cork have ever won in both codes) That same group went through the heartbreak of 87 and 88 to emerge from it and Mayo can do it as well.
Chicago Cubs.
Quote from: deiseach on September 25, 2013, 03:01:28 PM
Quote from: JBM on the 21 on September 25, 2013, 02:44:39 PM
Mayo will get there eventually. I remember when Cork lost to Meath in 87 and 88 the feeling of despair around the place (especially after the controversial surroundings of the 88 final. They got nothing both grief within the county (they were soft, couldn't physically stand up to Meath, could not be relied on like the hurlers), but they came back from it and won the following year and then beat Meath the year after that after being down to 14 men for the majority of the match. (In my mind, the sweetest All Ireland Cork have ever won in both codes) That same group went through the heartbreak of 87 and 88 to emerge from it and Mayo can do it as well.
Chicago Cubs.
That's harsh and from a Waterford man too. I prefer to look at the Red Sox they even had a curse too!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_the_Bambino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_the_Bambino)
Quote from: passedit on September 25, 2013, 03:12:32 PM
Quote from: deiseach on September 25, 2013, 03:01:28 PM
Quote from: JBM on the 21 on September 25, 2013, 02:44:39 PM
Mayo will get there eventually. I remember when Cork lost to Meath in 87 and 88 the feeling of despair around the place (especially after the controversial surroundings of the 88 final. They got nothing both grief within the county (they were soft, couldn't physically stand up to Meath, could not be relied on like the hurlers), but they came back from it and won the following year and then beat Meath the year after that after being down to 14 men for the majority of the match. (In my mind, the sweetest All Ireland Cork have ever won in both codes) That same group went through the heartbreak of 87 and 88 to emerge from it and Mayo can do it as well.
Chicago Cubs.
That's harsh and from a Waterford man too. I prefer to look at the Red Sox they even had a curse too!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_the_Bambino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_the_Bambino)
In Waterford, we benefit from having low expectations.
I follow the exploits of the Red Sox. One of the things on my bucket list is to see a ball game in Fenway Park. When I got my first house in 2003 we had a Telewest sub with trial access to NESN and I got hooked on baseball in general and the efforts of the Red Sox to 'reverse the curse' in particular. They fell short that year in a manner that any Mayo fan could relate to (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_American_League_Championship_Series). And while they got there at last in 2004, many a native of Beantown would have been born in 1919 and died in 2003. It's harsh, but it's the reality.
Quote from: Bingo on September 25, 2013, 02:04:33 PM
Only dawned on me reading the paper there but Cluxton scored the winning point again on Sunday, two All-irelands he has done that.
Trying to remember as well but wasn't that for a "free" on Brogan that was never a free?
do you not know that in culchie land all frees awarded to Dublin are not frees and all frees awarded against them are due to their poor tackling
Quote from: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 03:39:46 PM
Quote from: Bingo on September 25, 2013, 02:04:33 PM
Only dawned on me reading the paper there but Cluxton scored the winning point again on Sunday, two All-irelands he has done that.
Trying to remember as well but wasn't that for a "free" on Brogan that was never a free?
do you not know that in culchie Gavin land all frees awarded to against Dublin are not frees
Fixed that for you. ;)
I have conducted a comprehensive analysis of Joe McQuillan's performance and every decision he made in the match. Mistakes and borderline decisions in bold, frees to Dublin in italics. While the numbers show he did make a lot of mistakes, none was especially obvious, and overall I believe he did a decent enough enough job in what was a very tough game to referee.
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01:45: Michael Darragh McAuley crashes into the back of Donal Vaughan – free correctly awarded. 1.
03:08 – Paddy Andrews late slap to the chest on Kevin McLoughlin – foul and probable yellow card but not given
04:30 – Paul Mannion fouls Tom Cunniffe – free correctly awarded for leading with elbow rather than shoulder. 2.
06:25 – Michael Darragh McAuley brings down Seamus O'Shea – correct decision. 3.
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08:04 Paul Flynn adjudged to have fouled Donal Vaughan at kickout – borderline, but incident not fully covered by camera, so debatable. Free given. 4
08:22 Jonny Cooper fouls Andy Moran – incorrect decision. 5.
11:35: Philly McMahon picks the ball off the ground – free correctly awarded. 6.
12:40 Tom Cunniffe fouls Paul Mannion – free correctly awarded. 1
14:01: Diarmuid Connolly tackle on Lee Keegan – free given, slightly soft but still probably a correctly awarded free. 7.
15:47: Chris Barrett closed hand tackle on Ciaran Kilkenny – foul not awarded, incorrect decision, Dublin got the goal seconds later so McQuillan's incorrect decision in this case ended up benefitting them.
18:28: Eoghan O'Gara push in the back on Ger Cafferkey – free correctly awarded. Free correctly moved up 13 metres for obstruction by O'Gara. 8.
19:19: Ciaran Kilkenny fouled by a combination of two Mayo players, free correctly awarded and correctly moved up 13 metres for knocking the ball out of Kilkenny's hand as he was about to take the free. 2.
19:50: Alan Freeman fouled by Rory O'Carroll tackle to the face and Jack McCaffrey tackle to the face – correct decision but McQuillan could have allowed advantage – Freeman worked a goal chance but in the referee's defence a goal did not look on when the initial foul was made and it was in a clear scoring area so any advantage would had to have been an obvious goal chance. 9.
21:35: Seamus O'Shea held up by Cian O'Sullivan – free correctly awarded. 10.
22:30: Lee Keegan gets a yellow card for dragging back Diarmuid Connolly – correct decision. Free given. 3.
22:57: Bernard Brogan blown up for overcarrying – correct decision. 11.
23:55 Paddy Andrews penalised for push on Keith Higgins – free awarded, borderline decision, certainly softish. 12.
26:30 Dublin incorrectly awarded a 45 (which Stephen Cluxton pointed) when Michael Darragh McAuley's shot was saved by Hennelly but rebounded off McAuley. Umpiring decision.
27:45: Alan Dillon caught in possession and tackle around the head area by both Diarmuid Connolly and Ciaran Kilkenny – free correctly awarded. 13
27:57: Andy Moran falls over theatrically in an attempt to win a free but McQuillan correctly ignores it. Correct decision.
33:13: Lee Keegan pulls Diarmuid Connolly's jersey – free correctly awarded. 4.
35:16: Cian O'Sullivan takes 11 steps – free to Mayo should have been given but wasn't.
35:28: Cillian O'Connor puts his arm around Jack McCaffrey's neck – free correctly given. 5.
36:05: Andy Moran clearly fouled by Cian O'Sullivan and Rory O'Carroll – free incorrectly given to Dublin. 6.
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37:25 Bernard Brogan catches Keith Higgins around the neck in an attempt to tackle but a free is not given.
38:53: Cillian O'Connor drags down Philly McMahon as the two go for the ball but McQuillan gives Dublin the advantage and allows them play their way out. Correct advantage.
39:20: Chris Barrett leaves a boot in on Ciaran Kilkenny as he attempts to pick the ball up. Free should have been given but wasn't.
40:46: James McCarthy leads with the elbow on Colm Boyle. Free not awarded. Probably not serious enough to warrant a yellow card, though.
40:50: Eoghan O'Gara cynically pulls down Colm Boyle and then leans in with the knee to prevent Boyle getting up quickly. Free correctly awarded, but a yellow card should have been awarded too. Would have been a black card offence next year. 13.
41:07: Paul Flynn trips Andy Moran just outside the penalty area. No free given.
41:10: Moran is crowded out by three Dublin players. All tackles look fair, and Moran probably overplays the ball. Free incorrectly awarded, perhaps to make up for what had happened a few seconds earlier. 14.
42:33: Keith Higgins pushed over by Eoghan O'Gara. Free correctly awarded. 15.
44:55 Cathal Carolan fouls Darren Daly. Free correctly awarded. 7.
45:53: Diarmuid Connolly fouls Lee Keegan. Free correctly awarded. 16.
47:00 Michael Conroy goes down under pressure from Jonny Cooper in a scoring area. Cooper and Rory O'Carroll both lay hands on his neck during the incident. Borderline free, but not given.
47:57: Eoghan O'Gara tackles Donal Vaughan around the neck and then drags him down from behind. Yellow card correctly given. Should have been a second yellow offence for O'Gara. 17.
51:00 Cillian O'Connor pulls back Rory O'Carroll. Free correctly awarded. 8.
54:22. Paul Flynn pulls Kevin McLoughlin's jersey. Free correctly awarded. 18.
54:31. Cian O'Sullivan fouls Andy Moran. Free correctly awarded. 19.
56:08. Ger Cafferkey adjudged to have pushed Bernard Brogan in the back. Difficult to see from camera angle but McQuillan seemed quite certain of the decision so was likely correct. 9.
57:59: Rory O'Carroll gets a yellow card for a tackle on Enda Varley. This was a very marginal decision. On the live viewing it looked shoulder to shoulder, and it's an honest attempt to tackle fairly, but O'Carroll does get very slightly above Varley's shoulder and crashes into his head. Purely on a live viewing I would have called it as a wrong decision. But either decision would have been understandable. 20
62:35: Darren Daly fouls Colm Boyle and throws ball back to stop it being taken quickly. Free correctly awarded. 21.
64:23 Darren Daly fouls Enda Varley. Free given. Attemped shoulder to shoulder, but probably a foul. Debatable yellow, I probably wouldn't have given it. 22.
64:57: Bernard Brogan drags Aidan O'Shea down around the neck and then knocks the ball out of his hand before he can take it. Free correctly given and correctly moved forward 13 metres. Yellow card should have been given. 23.
65:57: Dean Rock fouls Colm Boyle. Free given, but looked soft and I would not have awarded it. 24.
66:13. Andy Moran fouls Cian O'Sullivan from behind. Softish, but still probably a free. 10.
67:20. Colm Boyle lunges at Kevin McManamon. Free correctly awarded. Yellow card awarded, slightly harshly. 11.
68:40: Kevin McManamon rugby tackles Lee Keegan and holds him down with his body to stop him getting up. Free and yellow card correctly awarded. Would be a stonewall black card offence next year. Worst foul of the match. 25.
69:10: Darren Daly pushes Enda Varley. Free correctly awarded. 26.
69:51: Keith Higgins pulls Kevin McManamon's jersey on the Cusack Stand side 35 metres out. Free not given.
70:14: Ger Brennan fouls Ger Cafferkey around the neck and repeatedly obstructs him from taking a quick free. Free and yellow card correctly awarded. 27.
70:36: Dean Rock pulls back Aidan O'Shea in midfield. Free correctly awarded. Should have been a yellow card. 28.
70:43: Donal Vaughan fouled by Darren Daly (I think) in a scoring area 25m out. Philly McMahon is fouled by Colm Boyle and free to Dublin is given.12.
71:27: Dean Rock fouls Chris Barrett. Free correctly awarded. 29.
71:38: Colm Boyle slapped around the face by Denis Bastick. Free correctly awarded. 30.
72:52. James McCarthy blown up for overcarrying. Free correctly awarded. 31.
73:27: Darren Daly holds up Enda Varley. Free correctly awarded. 32.
Actual free count:
Mayo 32 Dublin 12
Correct decisions by Joe McQuillan:
37
Overall mistakes by Joe McQuillan:
22
Free count should have been:
Mayo 35 Dublin 13
Actual yellow cards given to Dublin players: 5
O'Gara
O'Carroll (wrongly awarded in my view)
Daly (wrongly awarded in my view)
McManamon
Brennan
Should have been given a yellow card - Dublin: 4
Andrews - late and deliberate slap to the chest of Kevin McLoughlin
O'Gara (before his actual yellow card) – cynical pull down on Colm Boyle
Brogan – neck high tackle on Aidan O'Shea and knocking the ball out of the hand, stopping a quick free
Rock - cynical pull back on Aidan O'Shea
Actual yellow cards given to Mayo players:
Keegan
Boyle (wrongly awarded in my view)
No Mayo player wrongly escaped a yellow card.
Frees Mayo were wrongly awarded: 6 (3 of which resulted in points)
08:04 Paul Flynn fouls Donal Vaughan at kickout – borderline, not fully covered by camera. Free given. 4
08:22 Jonny Cooper fouls Andy Moran – incorrect decision. 5
23:55 Paddy Andrews penalised for push on Keith Higgins – free awarded, borderline decision, certainly softish. 12.
41:10: Moran is crowded out by three Dublin players. All tackles look fair, and Moran probably overplays the ball. Free incorrectly awarded, perhaps to make up for what had happened a few seconds earlier. 15.
57:59: Rory O'Carroll gets a yellow card for a tackle on Enda Varley. This was a very marginal decision. On the live viewing it looked shoulder to shoulder, and it's an honest attempt to tackle fairly, but O'Carroll does get very slightly above Varley's shoulder and crashes into his head. Purely on a live viewing I would have called it as a wrong decision. But either decision would have been understandable. 21
65:57: Dean Rock fouls Colm Boyle. Free given, but looked soft and I would not have awarded it. 25.
Frees Dublin were wrongly awarded: 2 (0 of which resulted in points)
36:05: Andy Moran clearly fouled by Cian O'Sullivan and Rory O'Carroll – free incorrectly given to Dublin. 6.
70:43: Donal Vaughan fouled by Darren Daly (I think) in a scoring area 25m out. Philly McMahon is fouled by Colm Boyle and free to Dublin is given.12.
Frees Mayo should have been awarded: 8 (4 of which would have been point scoring oppurtunities)
03:08 – Paddy Andrews late slap to the chest on Kevin McLoughlin – foul and probable yellow card but not given
35:16: Cian O'Sullivan takes 11 steps – free to Mayo should have been given but wasn't.
36:05: Andy Moran clearly fouled by Cian O'Sullivan and Rory O'Carroll – free incorrectly given to Dublin. 6.
37:25 Bernard Brogan catches Keith Higgins around the neck in an attempt to tackle but a free is not given.
40: 46: James McCarthy leads with the elbow on Colm Boyle. Free not awarded. Probably not serious enough to warrant a yellow card, though. Advantage accrued to Mayo.
41:07: Paul Flynn trips Andy Moran just outside the penalty area. No free given.
47:00 Michael Conroy goes down under pressure from Jonny Cooper in a scoring area. Cooper and Rory O'Carroll both lay hands on his neck during the incident. Borderline free, but not given.
70:43: Donal Vaughan fouled by Darren Daly (I think) in a scoring area 25m out. Philly McMahon is fouled by Colm Boyle and a free to Dublin is given.12.
Frees Dublin should have been awarded: 3 (2 of which would have been point scoring oppurtunities)
15:47: Chris Barrett closed hand tackle on Ciaran Kilkenny – foul not awarded, incorrect decision, Dublin got the goal seconds later so McQuillan's incorrect decision in this case ended up benefitting them.
39:20: Chris Barrett leaves a boot in on Ciaran Kilkenny as he attempts to pick the ball up. Free should have been given but wasn't.
69:51: Keith Higgins pulls Kevin McManamon's jersey on the Cusack Stand side 35 metres out. Free not given.
Umpiring mistakes: 1 (which resulted in a point)
26:30 Dublin incorrectly awarded a 45 (which Stephen Cluxton pointed) when Michael Darragh McAuley's shot was saved by Hennelly but rebounded off McAuley. Umpiring decision.
good break down there
Good analysis Sidney - are you a ref yourself or just a punter like most of us? Would the ref (or someone indepedent) normally review video footage of a ref's performance after intercounty games so that they can actually rate how good a ref has performed??
One minor incident you didn't comment on was what I thought was a pullback by O'Gara on Cunniffe in the lead-up to MDMAs goal-scoring opportunity, looked like a def free out to me but the ref waved it on.
Quote from: Sidney on September 25, 2013, 06:37:34 PM
Actual free count:
Mayo 32 Dublin 12
Correct decisions by Joe McQuillan:
37
Overall mistakes by Joe McQuillan:
22
Free count should have been:
Mayo 35 Dublin 13
Actual yellow cards given to Dublin players: 4
O'Gara
Daly (wrongly awarded in my view)
McManamon
Brennan
Should have been given a yellow card - Dublin: 4
Andrews - late and deliberate slap to the chest of Kevin McLoughlin
O'Gara (before his actual yellow card) – cynical pull down on Colm Boyle
Brogan – neck high tackle on Aidan O'Shea and knocking the ball out of the hand, stopping a quick free
Rock - cynical pull back on Aidan O'Shea
Actual yellow cards given to Mayo players:
Keegan
Boyle (wrongly awarded in my view)
No Mayo player wrongly escaped a yellow card.
Frees Mayo were wrongly awarded: 6 (3 of which resulted in points)
08:04 Paul Flynn fouls Donal Vaughan at kickout – borderline, not fully covered by camera. Free given. 4
08:22 Jonny Cooper fouls Andy Moran – incorrect decision. 5
23:55 Paddy Andrews penalised for push on Keith Higgins – free awarded, borderline decision, certainly softish. 12.
41:10: Moran is crowded out by three Dublin players. All tackles look fair, and Moran probably overplays the ball. Free incorrectly awarded, perhaps to make up for what had happened a few seconds earlier. 15.
57:59: Rory O'Carroll gets a yellow card for a tackle on Enda Varley. This was a very marginal decision. On the live viewing it looked shoulder to shoulder, and it's an honest attempt to tackle fairly, but O'Carroll does get very slightly above Varley's shoulder and crashes into his head. Purely on a live viewing I would have called it as a wrong decision. But either decision would have been understandable. 21
65:57: Dean Rock fouls Colm Boyle. Free given, but looked soft and I would not have awarded it. 25.
Frees Dublin were wrongly awarded: 2 (0 of which resulted in points)
36:05: Andy Moran clearly fouled by Cian O'Sullivan and Rory O'Carroll – free incorrectly given to Dublin. 6.
70:43: Donal Vaughan fouled by Darren Daly (I think) in a scoring area 25m out. Philly McMahon is fouled by Colm Boyle and free to Dublin is given.12.
Frees Mayo should have been awarded: 8 (4 of which would have been point scoring oppurtunities)
03:08 – Paddy Andrews late slap to the chest on Kevin McLoughlin – foul and probable yellow card but not given
35:16: Cian O'Sullivan takes 11 steps – free to Mayo should have been given but wasn't.
36:05: Andy Moran clearly fouled by Cian O'Sullivan and Rory O'Carroll – free incorrectly given to Dublin. 6.
37:25 Bernard Brogan catches Keith Higgins around the neck in an attempt to tackle but a free is not given.
40: 46: James McCarthy leads with the elbow on Colm Boyle. Free not awarded. Probably not serious enough to warrant a yellow card, though. Advantage accrued to Mayo.
41:07: Paul Flynn trips Andy Moran just outside the penalty area. No free given.
47:00 Michael Conroy goes down under pressure from Jonny Cooper in a scoring area. Cooper and Rory O'Carroll both lay hands on his neck during the incident. Borderline free, but not given.
70:43: Donal Vaughan fouled by Darren Daly (I think) in a scoring area 25m out. Philly McMahon is fouled by Colm Boyle and a free to Dublin is given.12.
Frees Dublin should have been awarded: 3 (2 of which would have been point scoring oppurtunities)
15:47: Chris Barrett closed hand tackle on Ciaran Kilkenny – foul not awarded, incorrect decision, Dublin got the goal seconds later so McQuillan's incorrect decision in this case ended up benefitting them.
39:20: Chris Barrett leaves a boot in on Ciaran Kilkenny as he attempts to pick the ball up. Free should have been given but wasn't.
69:51: Keith Higgins pulls Kevin McManamon's jersey on the Cusack Stand side 35 metres out. Free not given.
Umpiring mistakes: 1 (which resulted in a point)
26:30 Dublin incorrectly awarded a 45 (which Stephen Cluxton pointed) when Michael Darragh McAuley's shot was saved by Hennelly but rebounded off McAuley. Umpiring decision.
Good analysis.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 25, 2013, 07:10:20 PM
Good analysis Sidney - are you a ref yourself or just a punter like most of us? Would the ref (or someone indepedent) normally review video footage of a ref's performance after intercounty games so that they can actually rate how good a ref has performed??
One minor incident you didn't comment on was what I thought was a pullback by O'Gara on Cunniffe in the lead-up to MDMAs goal-scoring opportunity, looked like a def free out to me but the ref waved it on.
Having looked back at the O'Gara/Cunniffe incident just now I think you're probably right on that, it looked a free out alright.
Not a ref but I find the constant criticism they get to be more often than not unwarranted, and as Dublin supporter, I certainly felt that after hearing Jim Gavin's comments.
V good breakdown. By the looks of it O'Gara was the biggest offender on the pitch. Coulda, Shoulda picked up the yellows on persistent fouling alone, never mind the cynical ones.
Congrats to the lads. Battling gutsy display . Nice also to get the sour taste of 2006 out of the mouth after all those years.
Commiserations to Mayo and the Mayo posters here . Won't go overboard in this though as Mayo rightly didn't rain much commiserations down on us after our last two championship defeats by them and the 2006 game was followed by downright gravedancing.
Thought the Mayo support was very quiet in the second half when they were sorely needed. A largeish element of "bank manager's wife" type support which is not what is needed. Imvho of course. Reminded me a lot of the Down fans in 2010 when the much smaller Cork support outshouted them.
AIFs are certainly not the same without the large amount of families and kids you see at the other games and the atmosphere suffers as a result.
Mayo will win one sooner rather than later and honestly think that they would have beaten Donegal last year with last Sunday's performance, if that makes any sense. Some lovely footballers.
Quote from: bucko on September 25, 2013, 08:56:50 PM
V good breakdown. By the looks of it O'Gara was the biggest offender on the pitch. Coulda, Shoulda picked up the yellows on persistent fouling alone, never mind the cynical ones.
the breakdown is not gospel it's one mans opinion on hoe the frees should/shouldn't have went. Gud work though as it's not an easy thing to do!
Quote from: StephenC on September 25, 2013, 08:20:01 AM
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 24, 2013, 11:39:08 PM
There's talk of a few players going traveling next year, not sure if Caff is one. Can't blame them really. The last three years of their lives have been dictated by football. They deserve a break. That's why I really thought this was the year for us.
Caff is going to be a massive loss. Read a very good article about him before the final, seems to be so down to earth and dedicated to football.
Jesus lad. You start by saying there's talk about a few players going travelling (which there is in every county every year), then say you have no idea whether Ger is one of them, and finish with the statement that he's going to be a massive loss.
That's how BS rumours start. I'm sure that's not your intention but everything spoke about at this time of year should be taken with a healthy pinch of salt.
First off, there was no 'talk' in Mayo last year of players going traveling that I can remember. All 'talk' last year was about the start of something special.
Secondly, I said I wasn't sure if Ger was one if those. I did not state that I had no idea if Ger was one of them. If you want the solid facts of what the plans of some of the players plans in the panel are I can send you on one of their numbers as I'm sure they have nothing better to be doing right now than tell everyone the goss in the squad. ::)
Christ maybe I should have put in the word IF to make is clear, I accept that sentence is misleading. But yes he will be a massive loss IF he does go.
Finally, Lar asked a question about Ger going traveling I answered the question based on the knowledge I had. Nobody here is trying to start any kind of a rumor.
Why in the name of God would I go and put up rumor about lads who have put their lives on hold for the past nine months for the sake of Mayo football? What do I gain out of it?
There's a lot more absolute bullshit rumors going around at the moment about some players personal lives that I could post up here but I know they are exactly that, bullshit rumors. I have more respect for the player and management.
Yes, everything at this time and indeed most of the year needs to be taken with a pinch if salt
Quote from: Canalman on September 25, 2013, 10:40:36 PM
Mayo will win one sooner rather than later and honestly think that they would have beaten Donegal last year with last Sunday's performance, if that makes any sense. Some lovely footballers.
That statement makes no sense at all.
Quote from: Canalman on September 25, 2013, 10:40:36 PM
Mayo will win one sooner rather than later and honestly think that they would have beaten Donegal last year with last Sunday's performance, if that makes any sense. Some lovely footballers.
Really? I actually think they played better last year apart from the disastrous first 10 minutes.
Quote from: Canalman on September 25, 2013, 10:40:36 PM
Congrats to the lads. Battling gutsy display . Nice also to get the sour taste of 2006 out of the mouth after all those years.
Commiserations to Mayo and the Mayo posters here . Won't go overboard in this though as Mayo rightly didn't rain much commiserations down on us after our last two championship defeats by them and the 2006 game was followed by downright gravedancing.
Thought the Mayo support was very quiet in the second half when they were sorely needed. A largeish element of "bank manager's wife" type support which is not what is needed. Imvho of course. Reminded me a lot of the Down fans in 2010 when the much smaller Cork support outshouted them.
AIFs are certainly not the same without the large amount of families and kids you see at the other games and the atmosphere suffers as a result.
Mayo will win one sooner rather than later and honestly think that they would have beaten Donegal last year with last Sunday's performance, if that makes any sense. Some lovely footballers.
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I honestly think the Mayo support calved in the second half because we came out so flat it scared the shit out of a lot us. Maybe the reason for this will eventually emerge but we were nowhere near we were earlier in the year as regards pace, focus, ambition, intensity etc. It was awful disappointing to see and I still cant believe that this happened. While a few Dublin players were going well a few were ordinary enough on the day so why we looked so much off the pace is still gnawing at me. That s where we lost the fans and the game imo.
Your right about the families and the kids. I was on my own in lower Cusack. Missus and 1 kid was 8 blocks away. Another kid was in Big Tree with a cousin. Brothers were upstairs or in Premium. Friends then scattered all over the shop. That group would often be in a tight group in The Hyde, MacHale, Mark, grassy knoll in Páirc Sheáin or Salthill. But what can ye do? I dunno. It s still a great occasion if ye can get any ticket - better of course if ye win!
Quote from: moysider on September 25, 2013, 11:47:39 PM
Quote from: Canalman on September 25, 2013, 10:40:36 PM
Congrats to the lads. Battling gutsy display . Nice also to get the sour taste of 2006 out of the mouth after all those years.
Commiserations to Mayo and the Mayo posters here . Won't go overboard in this though as Mayo rightly didn't rain much commiserations down on us after our last two championship defeats by them and the 2006 game was followed by downright gravedancing.
Thought the Mayo support was very quiet in the second half when they were sorely needed. A largeish element of "bank manager's wife" type support which is not what is needed. Imvho of course. Reminded me a lot of the Down fans in 2010 when the much smaller Cork support outshouted them.
AIFs are certainly not the same without the large amount of families and kids you see at the other games and the atmosphere suffers as a result.
Mayo will win one sooner rather than later and honestly think that they would have beaten Donegal last year with last Sunday's performance, if that makes any sense. Some lovely footballers.
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I honestly think the Mayo support calved in the second half because we came out so flat it scared the shit out of a lot us. Maybe the reason for this will eventually emerge but we were nowhere near we were earlier in the year as regards pace, focus, ambition, intensity etc. It was awful disappointing to see and I still cant believe that this happened. While a few Dublin players were going well a few were ordinary enough on the day so why we looked so much off the pace is still gnawing at me. That s where we lost the fans and the game imo.
Your right about the families and the kids. I was on my own in lower Cusack. Missus and 1 kid was 8 blocks away. Another kid was in Big Tree with a cousin. Brothers were upstairs or in Premium. Friends then scattered all over the shop. That group would often be in a tight group in The Hyde, MacHale, Mark, grassy knoll in Páirc Sheáin or Salthill. But what can ye do? I dunno. It s still a great occasion if ye can get any ticket - better of course if ye win!
The quietness of the Mayo support was weird. With Cunniffe and Freeman going off and Higgins going back to the full back line we got visibly weaker. Seamie going off had the same effect. Conroy, Varley, Doherty, Carolan and Moran weakened our threat and this feed to the stands and to the feeling it was not going to be our day. Every substitution was a step down. I feel it (the quietness) added to Cillians laboured free taking toward the end. It also gave the referee licence not to dish out as many yellows as he would have had to if the crowd were getting on his back.
Quote from: Sidney on September 25, 2013, 06:34:27 PM
22:57: Bernard Brogan blown up for overcarrying – correct decision. 11.
That was the one that annoyed me the most at the time. Not sure whether he was being fouled or not, but I counted 4 steps by Bernard then he kickpassed it backward to a Dublin player (and earlier in the half Seamie O'Shea had taken 9 steps and wasn't blown). Bernard all season has stuggled to win frees even when there seems to be 2 or 3 lads around him taking lumps off him. I noticed Stephen O'Neill of Tyrone similarly needs to be nearly assualted before a ref gives a free in his favour.
But no ref can possibly get everything right and often decisions are marginal, so its easy for an armchair critic to pick out moments where his team has been hard done by. You just hope for someone who's consistent and blows up for the same incidents on both sides. I thought for the first 20-25 minutes McQuillian was perhaps blowing up a little too quickly anytime the player in possession went to ground, but generally was probably fine overall.
Quote from: bucko on September 25, 2013, 08:56:50 PM
V good breakdown. By the looks of it O'Gara was the biggest offender on the pitch. Coulda, Shoulda picked up the yellows on persistent fouling alone, never mind the cynical ones.
I don't think I've ever seen him tackle someone without giving away a free.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 26, 2013, 09:19:27 AM
Quote from: bucko on September 25, 2013, 08:56:50 PM
V good breakdown. By the looks of it O'Gara was the biggest offender on the pitch. Coulda, Shoulda picked up the yellows on persistent fouling alone, never mind the cynical ones.
I don't think I've ever seen him tackle someone without giving away a free.
He didn't give away a free when he 'tackled' Cunniffe
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 25, 2013, 07:10:20 PM
Good analysis Sidney - are you a ref yourself or just a punter like most of us? Would the ref (or someone indepedent) normally review video footage of a ref's performance after intercounty games so that they can actually rate how good a ref has performed??
One minor incident you didn't comment on was what I thought was a pullback by O'Gara on Cunniffe in the lead-up to MDMAs goal-scoring opportunity, looked like a def free out to me but the ref waved it on.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 25, 2013, 01:38:19 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 25, 2013, 12:25:17 PM
[What age is The Mort now?
He's the same age as Alan Dillon, 31!
and we are not going there!
So is there another Mort in the pipeline?
And by that I mean a corner forward who scores from play.
Who was the best u-21 forward this year?
Any crack from David Brady???????? he was blowing his load regularly on the build up to this game
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 26, 2013, 10:11:47 AM
Any crack from David Brady???????? he was blowing his load regularly on the build up to this game
You need to get over this obsession - you sound like you might blow your load thinking about DB regularly yourself.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 26, 2013, 10:17:59 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 26, 2013, 10:11:47 AM
Any crack from David Brady???????? he was blowing his load regularly on the build up to this game
You need to get over this obsession - you sound like you might blow your load thinking about DB regularly yourself.
Now now in fairness, the man has dished it to Dublin very harshly over the years, Im actually looking for a newspaper article or a radio snippet of his review on the game
Quote from: Tubberman on September 26, 2013, 10:17:59 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 26, 2013, 10:11:47 AM
Any crack from David Brady???????? he was blowing his load regularly on the build up to this game
You need to get over this obsession - you sound like you might blow your load thinking about DB regularly yourself.
Aye squire, it's becoming unhealthy....we don't even pay him as much attention as you do....and I'm from Ballina!
Squire, buy the Sunday World next Sunday. ::)
Quote from: ballinaman on September 26, 2013, 10:36:14 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 26, 2013, 10:17:59 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 26, 2013, 10:11:47 AM
Any crack from David Brady???????? he was blowing his load regularly on the build up to this game
You need to get over this obsession - you sound like you might blow your load thinking about DB regularly yourself.
Aye squire, it's becoming unhealthy....we don't even pay him as much attention as you do....and I'm from Ballina!
DB said he reads the message boards once. Don't be going coy on us, DB.
Quote from: moysider on September 25, 2013, 11:47:39 PM
I honestly think the Mayo support calved in the second half because we came out so flat it scared the shit out of a lot us. Maybe the reason for this will eventually emerge but we were nowhere near we were earlier in the year as regards pace, focus, ambition, intensity etc. It was awful disappointing to see and I still cant believe that this happened. While a few Dublin players were going well a few were ordinary enough on the day so why we looked so much off the pace is still gnawing at me.
Did Mayowr peak for the Donegal game and Dublin do so for the Kerry game??
Quote from: Hound on September 26, 2013, 07:58:09 AM
Quote from: Sidney on September 25, 2013, 06:34:27 PM
22:57: Bernard Brogan blown up for overcarrying – correct decision. 11.
That was the one that annoyed me the most at the time. Not sure whether he was being fouled or not, but I counted 4 steps by Bernard then he kickpassed it backward to a Dublin player (and earlier in the half Seamie O'Shea had taken 9 steps and wasn't blown). Bernard all season has stuggled to win frees even when there seems to be 2 or 3 lads around him taking lumps off him. I noticed Stephen O'Neill of Tyrone similarly needs to be nearly assualted before a ref gives a free in his favour.
But no ref can possibly get everything right and often decisions are marginal, so its easy for an armchair critic to pick out moments where his team has been hard done by. You just hope for someone who's consistent and blows up for the same incidents on both sides. I thought for the first 20-25 minutes McQuillian was perhaps blowing up a little too quickly anytime the player in possession went to ground, but generally was probably fine overall.
I don't think Bernard was being fouled and he definitely took at least nine steps after he bounced it, granted they were small steps but as far as I know the rulebook doesn't differentiate between small and big steps. ;)
Conversely to that, I'm now satisfied having looked at the incident about 10 times that Andy Moran brought Rory O'Carroll down with him in that last play before half-time and that McQuillan got that one correct in giving Dublin a free-out.
The foul on Bernard Brogan by Ger Cafferkey at 56:08 is another one I'm a bit dubious about. Brogan seemed to misjudge the bounce of the ball in to him, and while there appears to be some sort of a pushing movement by Cafferkey's arms it almost seems to be after the ball had gone. I'd put it in the debatable category.
It just shows that even with TV replays it's still very, very difficult to call some incidents.
Quote from: Sidney on September 26, 2013, 11:38:48 AM
The foul on Bernard Brogan by Ger Cafferkey at 56:08 is another one I'm a bit dubious about. Brogan seemed to misjudge the bounce of the ball in to him, and while there appears to be some sort of a pushing movement by Cafferkey's arms it almost seems to be after the ball had gone. I'd put it in the debatable category.
It just shows that even with TV replays it's still very, very difficult to call some incidents.
I was directly in line with that incident in the lower Cusack in row D so had a perfect few and thought it was very harsh but I had the benefit of a side on few where you could see that contact was minimal. From Joe's position you could see why he gave it though....
Quote from: Hound on September 26, 2013, 07:58:09 AM
Bernard all season has struggled to win frees even when there seems to be 2 or 3 lads around him taking lumps off him. I noticed Stephen O'Neill of Tyrone similarly needs to be nearly assaulted before a ref gives a free in his favour.
This is something I brought up before and asked refs on the board do they think some refs seem to make special cases for some players that because their considered a star player then they (maybe subconsciously) be a bit tougher on them giving frees.
I've watched this with Stevie for years both at club level (especially) and at inter county. Stevie is very strong and tries to ride the tackle a lot more than others in our team but more often than not the ref plays on and Stevie loses the ball and gets frustrated.
I was amazed this year how much the fans get on Bernard's back. Most top forwards tend to be a bit selfish, especially if they haven't many other good forwards next to them
On another note. How do most of ye think Mannion did this year. To me he looked very dangerous earlier in the year but as the games got harder I felt he struggled a good bit. From the outside looking in I think Rock deserved to start more games in his place. It might have suited Mannion more as well to come in for the last 20 mins when his man would be tired and Mannion with a point to prove.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 26, 2013, 09:45:43 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 25, 2013, 01:38:19 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 25, 2013, 12:25:17 PM
[What age is The Mort now?
He's the same age as Alan Dillon, 31!
and we are not going there!
So is there another Mort in the pipeline?
And by that I mean a corner forward who scores from play.
Who was the best u-21 forward this year?
There was a fella called Andy Moran I think who got 1-2 in a game recently ( could have been a big game up in Dublin against the Dubs) from play. ;)
Also ther is some young fella from Ballintubber who scored back to back hatricks this year in the championship who gets the odd score from play as well. ;D ;
Being serious it's our bench players like Varley and Conroy who seem to struggle badly when in tight games to get scores so from the U21's Darren Coen and Evan Regan would probably be the best bet to improve this and challenge for a starting place next year with both being involved this year but just not making the break through yet. Adam Gallagher and Connor O' Shea are two who could beef up competition in the half forwards with Danny Kirby hopefully getting a run in midfield at some time too.
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 26, 2013, 12:08:40 PM
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Being serious it's our bench players like Varley and Conroy who seem to struggle badly when in tight games to get scores so from the U21's Darren Coen and Evan Regan would probably be the best bet to improve this and challenge for a starting place next year with both being involved this year but just not making the break through yet. Adam Gallagher and Connor O' Shea are two who could beef up competition in the half forwards with Danny Kirby hopefully getting a run in midfield at some time too.
absolutely, and this from a Mayo perspective we now must look too. New blood, push players for starting places, and develop our future stars.
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 26, 2013, 11:49:28 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 26, 2013, 07:58:09 AM
Bernard all season has struggled to win frees even when there seems to be 2 or 3 lads around him taking lumps off him. I noticed Stephen O'Neill of Tyrone similarly needs to be nearly assaulted before a ref gives a free in his favour.
This is something I brought up before and asked refs on the board do they think some refs seem to make special cases for some players that because their considered a star player then they (maybe subconsciously) be a bit tougher on them giving frees.
Always got the impression that Jamie Clarke finds it difficult to get frees too. That is of course unless he is about to score a goal and Maurice Deegan is the referee.
Fair play Sidney...some analysis there! Did you have a look at rock,s pass/throw to MDM prior to Flynn point?
Quote from: Buckass on September 27, 2013, 12:21:37 AM
Fair play Sidney...some analysis there! Did you have a look at rock,s pass/throw to MDM prior to Flynn point?
Good spot there, that's one I missed and definitely a debatable one. Rock appears to toss the ball up slightly with his right hand and then strike it with his open right hand to McAuley, exactly like how you'd handpass a sliotar in hurling. I don't think it was a throw. That's something you see very rarely and my gut reaction was it was illegal, but Rule 1.4 would seem to suggest otherwise, although I'm open to correction on this.
If you look at matches from the 60s you'd see players handpass the ball in a different style to today - they often tossed it quite high into the air and then belted it with the fist.
I can't find anything that says teeing or tossing the ball up with the same hand you pass with is illegal. There is in my opinion a definite underhand striking action. So my feeling is that it was a legal pass.
Quotehttp://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/coaching_and_games/rules/Playing_Rules_of_Football_100110233329.pdf
1.4 When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be:-
(a) carried for a maximum of four consecutive
steps or held in the hand(s) for no longer
than the time needed to take four steps;
(b) played from the foot to the hand(s) -toetapped;
(c) bounced once, and once after each toetap;
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;
(e) struck with the open hand(s) or fist,
provided there is a definite striking action;
(f) tossed for a kick, a toe-tap or a pass with
the hand(s).
The ball may be knocked from an opponent's
hand(s) by flicking it with the open hand.
Quote from: Sidney on September 27, 2013, 12:59:20 AM
Quote from: Buckass on September 27, 2013, 12:21:37 AM
Fair play Sidney...some analysis there! Did you have a look at rock,s pass/throw to MDM prior to Flynn point?
Good spot there, that's one I missed and definitely a debatable one. Rock appears to toss the ball up slightly with his right hand and then strike it with his open right hand to McAuley, exactly like how you'd handpass a sliotar in hurling. I don't think it was a throw. That's something you see very rarely and my gut reaction was it was illegal, but Rule 1.4 would seem to suggest otherwise, although I'm open to correction on this.
If you look at matches from the 60s you'd see players handpass the ball in a different style to today - they often tossed it quite high into the air and then belted it with the fist.
I can't find anything that says teeing or tossing the ball up with the same hand you pass with is illegal. There is in my opinion a definite underhand striking action. So my feeling is that it was a legal pass.
Quotehttp://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/coaching_and_games/rules/Playing_Rules_of_Football_100110233329.pdf
1.4 When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be:-
(a) carried for a maximum of four consecutive
steps or held in the hand(s) for no longer
than the time needed to take four steps;
(b) played from the foot to the hand(s) -toetapped;
(c) bounced once, and once after each toetap;
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;
(e) struck with the open hand(s) or fist,
provided there is a definite striking action;
(f) tossed for a kick, a toe-tap or a pass with
the hand(s).
The ball may be knocked from an opponent's
hand(s) by flicking it with the open hand.
I remember when we were trained at underage that we were told this was illegal - it was in relation to what you could do when someone was dragging back your free hand. Not sure if what we were told was correct or not though.
I always though it was a foul too.
When it happened during the game i stood up and roared like a bull "thats a foul handpass" .... but damn ref never haerd me :'(
This thread could take us through to the 2014 All Ireland Final. ;)
I know it may be therapeutic for Mayo folk (and others) to grieve in public but I think you'd all be better off now just getting on with life.
QuoteI know it may be therapeutic for Mayo folk (and others) to grieve in public but I think you'd all be better off now just getting on with life.
THIB living in this hellhole of a country where over 60% of even the employed are packing the bags and fecking off out of here away from either the depressing shit on the radio and the elitist shit on the TV and having Vincent bloody Browne and Missus Bloody Brown to put up with and listening to those rank idiots in the Dail who never worked a proper day in their lives and who don't have the balls to lock up the w**ker bankers who partly caused the mess and I don't have to go on about the church and their carry-on.... a large part of our lives becomes and is the GAA and for Mayo folk it's Mayo GAA. The GAA is the only spiritual and dignified entity left in this godforsaken place. So getting on with life for Mayo is to get on with the football again.
Mighty place to be if your a Dub though, i suppose.
Good man - well responded ;)
Quote from: highorlow on September 27, 2013, 11:00:15 AM
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THIB living in this hellhole of a country where over 60% of even the employed are packing the bags and fecking off out of here away from either the depressing shit on the radio and the elitist shit on the TV and having Vincent bloody Browne and Missus Bloody Brown to put up with and listening to those rank idiots in the Dail who never worked a proper day in their lives and who don't have the balls to lock up the w**ker bankers who partly caused the mess and I don't have to go on about the church and their carry-on.... a large part of our lives becomes and is the GAA and for Mayo folk it's Mayo GAA. The GAA is the only spiritual and dignified entity left in this godforsaken place. So getting on with life for Mayo is to get on with the football again.
Mighty place to be if your a Dub though, i suppose.
Thats a great response. Fair play to you. I hope you and Mayo have better days soon.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 27, 2013, 09:53:35 AM
Quote from: Sidney on September 27, 2013, 12:59:20 AM
Quote from: Buckass on September 27, 2013, 12:21:37 AM
Fair play Sidney...some analysis there! Did you have a look at rock,s pass/throw to MDM prior to Flynn point?
Good spot there, that's one I missed and definitely a debatable one. Rock appears to toss the ball up slightly with his right hand and then strike it with his open right hand to McAuley, exactly like how you'd handpass a sliotar in hurling. I don't think it was a throw. That's something you see very rarely and my gut reaction was it was illegal, but Rule 1.4 would seem to suggest otherwise, although I'm open to correction on this.
If you look at matches from the 60s you'd see players handpass the ball in a different style to today - they often tossed it quite high into the air and then belted it with the fist.
I can't find anything that says teeing or tossing the ball up with the same hand you pass with is illegal. There is in my opinion a definite underhand striking action. So my feeling is that it was a legal pass.
Quotehttp://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/coaching_and_games/rules/Playing_Rules_of_Football_100110233329.pdf
1.4 When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be:-
(a) carried for a maximum of four consecutive
steps or held in the hand(s) for no longer
than the time needed to take four steps;
(b) played from the foot to the hand(s) -toetapped;
(c) bounced once, and once after each toetap;
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;
(e) struck with the open hand(s) or fist,
provided there is a definite striking action;
(f) tossed for a kick, a toe-tap or a pass with
the hand(s).
The ball may be knocked from an opponent's
hand(s) by flicking it with the open hand.
I remember when we were trained at underage that we were told this was illegal - it was in relation to what you could do when someone was dragging back your free hand. Not sure if what we were told was correct or not though.
It's not a foul to throw the ball up and strike it with the hand.
I see Mc Eneany is happy with the referee, on the basis he had no impact on the result, surely now its time to ban Mc Eneany. Straight red.
Quote from: highorlow on September 27, 2013, 11:00:15 AM
QuoteI know it may be therapeutic for Mayo folk (and others) to grieve in public but I think you'd all be better off now just getting on with life.
THIB living in this hellhole of a country where over 60% of even the employed are packing the bags and fecking off out of here away from either the depressing shit on the radio and the elitist shit on the TV and having Vincent bloody Browne and Missus Bloody Brown to put up with and listening to those rank idiots in the Dail who never worked a proper day in their lives and who don't have the balls to lock up the w**ker bankers who partly caused the mess and I don't have to go on about the church and their carry-on.... a large part of our lives becomes and is the GAA and for Mayo folk it's Mayo GAA. The GAA is the only spiritual and dignified entity left in this godforsaken place. So getting on with life for Mayo is to get on with the football again.
Mighty place to be if your a Dub though, i suppose.
It might not feel like it to a Mayo person but there has to be something, as you say, almost spiritual about following a team like that. It's something bigger than just following a team, and as a Dublin supporter, I almost envy Mayo supporters.
We have all the advantages. Population, money, we play all our championship matches and now, it seems, most of our league matches too, at home. It's a pleasure to watch this Dublin team, but given those advantages and now that we've won two All-Irelands and will probably come back for a good few more, I find myself becoming much less partisan. The thrill of winning has gone. There is no desperation to win. We should be winning.
When Dublin won in 2011, it was great. We were underdogs, we hadn't won it for 16 years, we hadn't been in a final for 16 years, and they way we won it coming from behind and winning with almost the last kick was thrilling. Every one of those 16 years was worth it for that moment.
Now it just isn't the same, and it probably never again will be. Dublin have had dark days, but they were nothing compared to what it must be like for a county that hasn't won for 62 years and has lost seven finals. We may have been underdogs in 2011, but we will never be real underdogs. The feelings of disappointment must be magnified by ten when Mayo lose compared to what Dublin fans feel, the feeling of winning will be magnified by a similar amount should they win it.
I find myself being reminded of Kilkenny people, who used to go on about the disappointment they felt in 1999 as if it was the most devastating thing that had happened to any county in history. Sorry lads, but you haven't a clue. You will never know disappointment or joy like Mayo.
I read in some paper that the other day that the Boston Red Sox failing to win a World Series for 86 years almost defined who Bostonians were as a people. There's a certain similarity alright, but they were professional players, most of whom weren't even from Boston. They might have been playing for the Yankees the next year. The Mayo team is the Mayo people, and everybody in Mayo is a part of your team in some small way.
Mayo's continuing quest to win Sam is a heartbreaking yet beautiful odyessy. We in Dublin will never know anything like it. In a strange way it's great for football in Mayo. Every year without Sam reinforces that hunger and reinforces the obsession. Mayo are always there or thereabouts at underage level, and few counties have reached more senior finals over the last 25 years. As long as the odyessy keeps going football in Mayo will never decline, it will only get stronger - it's as true a football county as there is. When Mayo finally win the All-Ireland, yes, you will regret that certain players didn't win All-Ireland medals, but every Mayo person will look back at every year and every defeat and realise that it was worth the journey. Until then, you have no choice but to keep enduring, keep working and keep hoping.
Quote from: rrhf on September 27, 2013, 02:17:23 PM
I see Mc Eneany is happy with the referee, on the basis he had no impact on the result, surely now its time to ban Mc Eneany. Straight red.
Is he saying that if Mayo had won, McQuillan would have had an impact on the result?
Quote from: Sidney on September 27, 2013, 02:54:56 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 27, 2013, 11:00:15 AM
QuoteI know it may be therapeutic for Mayo folk (and others) to grieve in public but I think you'd all be better off now just getting on with life.
THIB living in this hellhole of a country where over 60% of even the employed are packing the bags and fecking off out of here away from either the depressing shit on the radio and the elitist shit on the TV and having Vincent bloody Browne and Missus Bloody Brown to put up with and listening to those rank idiots in the Dail who never worked a proper day in their lives and who don't have the balls to lock up the w**ker bankers who partly caused the mess and I don't have to go on about the church and their carry-on.... a large part of our lives becomes and is the GAA and for Mayo folk it's Mayo GAA. The GAA is the only spiritual and dignified entity left in this godforsaken place. So getting on with life for Mayo is to get on with the football again.
Mighty place to be if your a Dub though, i suppose.
It might not feel like it to a Mayo person but there has to be something, as you say, almost spiritual about following a team like that. It's something bigger than just following a team, and as a Dublin supporter, I almost envy Mayo supporters.
We have all the advantages. Population, money, we play all our championship matches and now, it seems, most of our league matches too, at home. It's a pleasure to watch this Dublin team, but given those advantages and now that we've won two All-Irelands and will probably come back for a good few more, I find myself becoming much less partisan. The thrill of winning has gone. There is no desperation to win. We should be winning.
When Dublin won in 2011, it was great. We were underdogs, we hadn't won it for 16 years, we hadn't been in a final for 16 years, and they way we won it coming from behind and winning with almost the last kick was thrilling. Every one of those 16 years was worth it for that moment.
Now it just isn't the same, and it probably never again will be. Dublin have had dark days, but they were nothing compared to what it must be like for a county that hasn't won for 62 years and has lost seven finals. We may have been underdogs in 2011, but we will never be real underdogs. The feelings of disappointment must be magnified by ten when Mayo lose compared to what Dublin fans feel, the feeling of winning will be magnified by a similar amount should they win it.
I find myself being reminded of Kilkenny people, who used to go on about the disappointment they felt in 1999 as if it was the most devastating thing that had happened to any county in history. Sorry lads, but you haven't a clue. You will never know disappointment or joy like Mayo.
I read in some paper that the other day that the Boston Red Sox failing to win a World Series for 86 years almost defined who Bostonians were as a people. There's a certain similarity alright, but they were professional players, most of whom weren't even from Boston. They might have been playing for the Yankees the next year. The Mayo team is the Mayo people, and everybody in Mayo is a part of your team in some small way.
Mayo's continuing quest to win Sam is a heartbreaking yet beautiful odyessy. We in Dublin will never know anything like it. In a strange way it's great for football in Mayo. Every year without Sam reinforces that hunger and reinforces the obsession. Mayo are always there or thereabouts at underage level, and few counties have reached more senior finals over the last 25 years. As long as the odyessy keeps going football in Mayo will never decline, it will only get stronger - it's as true a football county as there is. When Mayo finally win the All-Ireland, yes, you will regret that certain players didn't win All-Ireland medals, but every Mayo person will look back at every year and every defeat and realise that it was worth the journey. Until then, you have no choice but to keep enduring, keep working and keep hoping.
Great post.
Those who have been spolied with success seldom appreciate it as much as those who have never tasted it / waited a long time for it.
My own club (Loughgiel Shamrocks) lost six county finals in a row from 2003-2008. This Sunday they are aiming to win their 4th County title on the trot and they also won the All Ireland Club title in 2012. The defeats suffered in those County finals shaped our current team and brought them together. It will be a great story if Mayo can come back next year and lift Sam. Their fans will enjoy it all the more if they do.
Quote from: highorlow on September 27, 2013, 11:00:15 AM
QuoteI know it may be therapeutic for Mayo folk (and others) to grieve in public but I think you'd all be better off now just getting on with life.
THIB living in this hellhole of a country where over 60% of even the employed are packing the bags and fecking off out of here away from either the depressing shit on the radio and the elitist shit on the TV and having Vincent bloody Browne and Missus Bloody Brown to put up with and listening to those rank idiots in the Dail who never worked a proper day in their lives and who don't have the balls to lock up the w**ker bankers who partly caused the mess and I don't have to go on about the church and their carry-on.... a large part of our lives becomes and is the GAA and for Mayo folk it's Mayo GAA. The GAA is the only spiritual and dignified entity left in this godforsaken place. So getting on with life for Mayo is to get on with the football again.
Mighty place to be if your a Dub though, i suppose.
Should that not say 'county'?
Quote from: north aontroim gael on September 27, 2013, 03:09:29 PM
Quote from: Sidney on September 27, 2013, 02:54:56 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 27, 2013, 11:00:15 AM
QuoteI know it may be therapeutic for Mayo folk (and others) to grieve in public but I think you'd all be better off now just getting on with life.
THIB living in this hellhole of a country where over 60% of even the employed are packing the bags and fecking off out of here away from either the depressing shit on the radio and the elitist shit on the TV and having Vincent bloody Browne and Missus Bloody Brown to put up with and listening to those rank idiots in the Dail who never worked a proper day in their lives and who don't have the balls to lock up the w**ker bankers who partly caused the mess and I don't have to go on about the church and their carry-on.... a large part of our lives becomes and is the GAA and for Mayo folk it's Mayo GAA. The GAA is the only spiritual and dignified entity left in this godforsaken place. So getting on with life for Mayo is to get on with the football again.
Mighty place to be if your a Dub though, i suppose.
It might not feel like it to a Mayo person but there has to be something, as you say, almost spiritual about following a team like that. It's something bigger than just following a team, and as a Dublin supporter, I almost envy Mayo supporters.
We have all the advantages. Population, money, we play all our championship matches and now, it seems, most of our league matches too, at home. It's a pleasure to watch this Dublin team, but given those advantages and now that we've won two All-Irelands and will probably come back for a good few more, I find myself becoming much less partisan. The thrill of winning has gone. There is no desperation to win. We should be winning.
When Dublin won in 2011, it was great. We were underdogs, we hadn't won it for 16 years, we hadn't been in a final for 16 years, and they way we won it coming from behind and winning with almost the last kick was thrilling. Every one of those 16 years was worth it for that moment.
Now it just isn't the same, and it probably never again will be. Dublin have had dark days, but they were nothing compared to what it must be like for a county that hasn't won for 62 years and has lost seven finals. We may have been underdogs in 2011, but we will never be real underdogs. The feelings of disappointment must be magnified by ten when Mayo lose compared to what Dublin fans feel, the feeling of winning will be magnified by a similar amount should they win it.
I find myself being reminded of Kilkenny people, who used to go on about the disappointment they felt in 1999 as if it was the most devastating thing that had happened to any county in history. Sorry lads, but you haven't a clue. You will never know disappointment or joy like Mayo.
I read in some paper that the other day that the Boston Red Sox failing to win a World Series for 86 years almost defined who Bostonians were as a people. There's a certain similarity alright, but they were professional players, most of whom weren't even from Boston. They might have been playing for the Yankees the next year. The Mayo team is the Mayo people, and everybody in Mayo is a part of your team in some small way.
Mayo's continuing quest to win Sam is a heartbreaking yet beautiful odyessy. We in Dublin will never know anything like it. In a strange way it's great for football in Mayo. Every year without Sam reinforces that hunger and reinforces the obsession. Mayo are always there or thereabouts at underage level, and few counties have reached more senior finals over the last 25 years. As long as the odyessy keeps going football in Mayo will never decline, it will only get stronger - it's as true a football county as there is. When Mayo finally win the All-Ireland, yes, you will regret that certain players didn't win All-Ireland medals, but every Mayo person will look back at every year and every defeat and realise that it was worth the journey. Until then, you have no choice but to keep enduring, keep working and keep hoping.
Great post.
Those who have been spolied with success seldom appreciate it as much as those who have never tasted it / waited a long time for it.
My own club (Loughgiel Shamrocks) lost six county finals in a row from 2003-2008. This Sunday they are aiming to win their 4th County title on the trot and they also won the All Ireland Club title in 2012. The defeats suffered in those County finals shaped our current team and brought them together. It will be a great story if Mayo can come back next year and lift Sam. Their fans will enjoy it all the more if they do.
Try telling Crossmaglen that.
Quote from: Cold tea on September 27, 2013, 03:26:40 PM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on September 27, 2013, 03:09:29 PM
Quote from: Sidney on September 27, 2013, 02:54:56 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 27, 2013, 11:00:15 AM
QuoteI know it may be therapeutic for Mayo folk (and others) to grieve in public but I think you'd all be better off now just getting on with life.
THIB living in this hellhole of a country where over 60% of even the employed are packing the bags and fecking off out of here away from either the depressing shit on the radio and the elitist shit on the TV and having Vincent bloody Browne and Missus Bloody Brown to put up with and listening to those rank idiots in the Dail who never worked a proper day in their lives and who don't have the balls to lock up the w**ker bankers who partly caused the mess and I don't have to go on about the church and their carry-on.... a large part of our lives becomes and is the GAA and for Mayo folk it's Mayo GAA. The GAA is the only spiritual and dignified entity left in this godforsaken place. So getting on with life for Mayo is to get on with the football again.
Mighty place to be if your a Dub though, i suppose.
It might not feel like it to a Mayo person but there has to be something, as you say, almost spiritual about following a team like that. It's something bigger than just following a team, and as a Dublin supporter, I almost envy Mayo supporters.
We have all the advantages. Population, money, we play all our championship matches and now, it seems, most of our league matches too, at home. It's a pleasure to watch this Dublin team, but given those advantages and now that we've won two All-Irelands and will probably come back for a good few more, I find myself becoming much less partisan. The thrill of winning has gone. There is no desperation to win. We should be winning.
When Dublin won in 2011, it was great. We were underdogs, we hadn't won it for 16 years, we hadn't been in a final for 16 years, and they way we won it coming from behind and winning with almost the last kick was thrilling. Every one of those 16 years was worth it for that moment.
Now it just isn't the same, and it probably never again will be. Dublin have had dark days, but they were nothing compared to what it must be like for a county that hasn't won for 62 years and has lost seven finals. We may have been underdogs in 2011, but we will never be real underdogs. The feelings of disappointment must be magnified by ten when Mayo lose compared to what Dublin fans feel, the feeling of winning will be magnified by a similar amount should they win it.
I find myself being reminded of Kilkenny people, who used to go on about the disappointment they felt in 1999 as if it was the most devastating thing that had happened to any county in history. Sorry lads, but you haven't a clue. You will never know disappointment or joy like Mayo.
I read in some paper that the other day that the Boston Red Sox failing to win a World Series for 86 years almost defined who Bostonians were as a people. There's a certain similarity alright, but they were professional players, most of whom weren't even from Boston. They might have been playing for the Yankees the next year. The Mayo team is the Mayo people, and everybody in Mayo is a part of your team in some small way.
Mayo's continuing quest to win Sam is a heartbreaking yet beautiful odyessy. We in Dublin will never know anything like it. In a strange way it's great for football in Mayo. Every year without Sam reinforces that hunger and reinforces the obsession. Mayo are always there or thereabouts at underage level, and few counties have reached more senior finals over the last 25 years. As long as the odyessy keeps going football in Mayo will never decline, it will only get stronger - it's as true a football county as there is. When Mayo finally win the All-Ireland, yes, you will regret that certain players didn't win All-Ireland medals, but every Mayo person will look back at every year and every defeat and realise that it was worth the journey. Until then, you have no choice but to keep enduring, keep working and keep hoping.
Great post.
Those who have been spolied with success seldom appreciate it as much as those who have never tasted it / waited a long time for it.
My own club (Loughgiel Shamrocks) lost six county finals in a row from 2003-2008. This Sunday they are aiming to win their 4th County title on the trot and they also won the All Ireland Club title in 2012. The defeats suffered in those County finals shaped our current team and brought them together. It will be a great story if Mayo can come back next year and lift Sam. Their fans will enjoy it all the more if they do.
Try telling Crossmaglen that.
Ok, I will. Who should I tell? Osin? Jamser Clarke? BC1?
Winning repeatedly cheapens the magic of each individual title no matter the county or club. At that point it becomes about legacy as much as the singular moment of winning.
Quote from: Sidney on September 27, 2013, 02:54:56 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 27, 2013, 11:00:15 AM
QuoteI know it may be therapeutic for Mayo folk (and others) to grieve in public but I think you'd all be better off now just getting on with life.
THIB living in this hellhole of a country where over 60% of even the employed are packing the bags and fecking off out of here away from either the depressing shit on the radio and the elitist shit on the TV and having Vincent bloody Browne and Missus Bloody Brown to put up with and listening to those rank idiots in the Dail who never worked a proper day in their lives and who don't have the balls to lock up the w**ker bankers who partly caused the mess and I don't have to go on about the church and their carry-on.... a large part of our lives becomes and is the GAA and for Mayo folk it's Mayo GAA. The GAA is the only spiritual and dignified entity left in this godforsaken place. So getting on with life for Mayo is to get on with the football again.
Mighty place to be if your a Dub though, i suppose.
It might not feel like it to a Mayo person but there has to be something, as you say, almost spiritual about following a team like that. It's something bigger than just following a team, and as a Dublin supporter, I almost envy Mayo supporters.
We have all the advantages. Population, money, we play all our championship matches and now, it seems, most of our league matches too, at home. It's a pleasure to watch this Dublin team, but given those advantages and now that we've won two All-Irelands and will probably come back for a good few more, I find myself becoming much less partisan. The thrill of winning has gone. There is no desperation to win. We should be winning.
When Dublin won in 2011, it was great. We were underdogs, we hadn't won it for 16 years, we hadn't been in a final for 16 years, and they way we won it coming from behind and winning with almost the last kick was thrilling. Every one of those 16 years was worth it for that moment.
Now it just isn't the same, and it probably never again will be. Dublin have had dark days, but they were nothing compared to what it must be like for a county that hasn't won for 62 years and has lost seven finals. We may have been underdogs in 2011, but we will never be real underdogs. The feelings of disappointment must be magnified by ten when Mayo lose compared to what Dublin fans feel, the feeling of winning will be magnified by a similar amount should they win it.
I find myself being reminded of Kilkenny people, who used to go on about the disappointment they felt in 1999 as if it was the most devastating thing that had happened to any county in history. Sorry lads, but you haven't a clue. You will never know disappointment or joy like Mayo.
I read in some paper that the other day that the Boston Red Sox failing to win a World Series for 86 years almost defined who Bostonians were as a people. There's a certain similarity alright, but they were professional players, most of whom weren't even from Boston. They might have been playing for the Yankees the next year. The Mayo team is the Mayo people, and everybody in Mayo is a part of your team in some small way.
Mayo's continuing quest to win Sam is a heartbreaking yet beautiful odyessy. We in Dublin will never know anything like it. In a strange way it's great for football in Mayo. Every year without Sam reinforces that hunger and reinforces the obsession. Mayo are always there or thereabouts at underage level, and few counties have reached more senior finals over the last 25 years. As long as the odyessy keeps going football in Mayo will never decline, it will only get stronger - it's as true a football county as there is. When Mayo finally win the All-Ireland, yes, you will regret that certain players didn't win All-Ireland medals, but every Mayo person will look back at every year and every defeat and realise that it was worth the journey. Until then, you have no choice but to keep enduring, keep working and keep hoping.
You can't be following Dublin long if you are already becoming bored of winning. We had to wait 16 years to win in 2011. In 1995 it was a 12 year gap between victories. I have seen Dublin lose plenty of big games over the last 20 years so I have feel far different to you. I hope this Dublin pushes on to become the equivalent of Kerry/ kilkenny and becomes a team that will be compared with the great teams of the past
I do think there should be a book written about Mayo football. Could we call it "aweshitenawfinalMayo"
Jesus I go away for a few days and there must be ten threads about Dublin!
Hard luck Mayo, I think you're just short a bit of variety in attack and although Mayo fans don't seem to like it, a big scoring forward that'll do it on the big day - O'Connor may yet turn into that player.
Awful game, but we've had enough moral victories over the years.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 27, 2013, 05:13:30 PM
You can't be following Dublin long if you are already becoming bored of winning. We had to wait 16 years to win in 2011. In 1995 it was a 12 year gap between victories. I have seen Dublin lose plenty of big games over the last 20 years so I have feel far different to you. I hope this Dublin pushes on to become the equivalent of Kerry/ kilkenny and becomes a team that will be compared with the great teams of the past
Following them since 1987 when I was 7.
Quote from: Syferus on September 27, 2013, 04:28:14 PM
Ok, I will. Who should I tell? Osin? Jamser Clarke? BC1?
Winning repeatedly cheapens the magic of each individual title no matter the county or club. At that point it becomes about legacy as much as the singular moment of winning.
That's bullshit.
Quote from: Cold tea on September 27, 2013, 05:53:04 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 27, 2013, 04:28:14 PM
Ok, I will. Who should I tell? Osin? Jamser Clarke? BC1?
Winning repeatedly cheapens the magic of each individual title no matter the county or club. At that point it becomes about legacy as much as the singular moment of winning.
That's bullshit.
So, do Kerry people cherish the memories of their 2004 All-Ireland title in the same way that Armagh people cherish the memories of 2002?
Quote from: Sidney on September 27, 2013, 06:00:19 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on September 27, 2013, 05:53:04 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 27, 2013, 04:28:14 PM
Ok, I will. Who should I tell? Osin? Jamser Clarke? BC1?
Winning repeatedly cheapens the magic of each individual title no matter the county or club. At that point it becomes about legacy as much as the singular moment of winning.
That's bullshit.
So, do Kerry people cherish the memories of their 2004 All-Ireland title in the same way that Armagh people cherish the memories of 2002?
I am not from Kerry but I am sure they cherished it as much. This bullshit that constant winning cheapens the magic is usually thrown about by those who don't win too often.
Quote from: Sidney on September 27, 2013, 02:54:56 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 27, 2013, 11:00:15 AM
QuoteI know it may be therapeutic for Mayo folk (and others) to grieve in public but I think you'd all be better off now just getting on with life.
THIB living in this hellhole of a country where over 60% of even the employed are packing the bags and fecking off out of here away from either the depressing shit on the radio and the elitist shit on the TV and having Vincent bloody Browne and Missus Bloody Brown to put up with and listening to those rank idiots in the Dail who never worked a proper day in their lives and who don't have the balls to lock up the w**ker bankers who partly caused the mess and I don't have to go on about the church and their carry-on.... a large part of our lives becomes and is the GAA and for Mayo folk it's Mayo GAA. The GAA is the only spiritual and dignified entity left in this godforsaken place. So getting on with life for Mayo is to get on with the football again.
Mighty place to be if your a Dub though, i suppose.
It might not feel like it to a Mayo person but there has to be something, as you say, almost spiritual about following a team like that. It's something bigger than just following a team, and as a Dublin supporter, I almost envy Mayo supporters.
We have all the advantages. Population, money, we play all our championship matches and now, it seems, most of our league matches too, at home. It's a pleasure to watch this Dublin team, but given those advantages and now that we've won two All-Irelands and will probably come back for a good few more, I find myself becoming much less partisan. The thrill of winning has gone. There is no desperation to win. We should be winning.
When Dublin won in 2011, it was great. We were underdogs, we hadn't won it for 16 years, we hadn't been in a final for 16 years, and they way we won it coming from behind and winning with almost the last kick was thrilling. Every one of those 16 years was worth it for that moment.
Now it just isn't the same, and it probably never again will be. Dublin have had dark days, but they were nothing compared to what it must be like for a county that hasn't won for 62 years and has lost seven finals. We may have been underdogs in 2011, but we will never be real underdogs. The feelings of disappointment must be magnified by ten when Mayo lose compared to what Dublin fans feel, the feeling of winning will be magnified by a similar amount should they win it.
I find myself being reminded of Kilkenny people, who used to go on about the disappointment they felt in 1999 as if it was the most devastating thing that had happened to any county in history. Sorry lads, but you haven't a clue. You will never know disappointment or joy like Mayo.
I read in some paper that the other day that the Boston Red Sox failing to win a World Series for 86 years almost defined who Bostonians were as a people. There's a certain similarity alright, but they were professional players, most of whom weren't even from Boston. They might have been playing for the Yankees the next year. The Mayo team is the Mayo people, and everybody in Mayo is a part of your team in some small way.
Mayo's continuing quest to win Sam is a heartbreaking yet beautiful odyessy. We in Dublin will never know anything like it. In a strange way it's great for football in Mayo. Every year without Sam reinforces that hunger and reinforces the obsession. Mayo are always there or thereabouts at underage level, and few counties have reached more senior finals over the last 25 years. As long as the odyessy keeps going football in Mayo will never decline, it will only get stronger - it's as true a football county as there is. When Mayo finally win the All-Ireland, yes, you will regret that certain players didn't win All-Ireland medals, but every Mayo person will look back at every year and every defeat and realise that it was worth the journey. Until then, you have no choice but to keep enduring, keep working and keep hoping.
Great Post. When I read it, it bought to mind Anthony Daly's speech in 95 "Many of those Clare teams were better than us but less fortunate than us. I accept this cup on behalf of all those players who ever wore the Clare jersey". - best speech ever. That is what will await Mayo.
Quote from: Cold tea on September 27, 2013, 06:44:40 PM
Quote from: Sidney on September 27, 2013, 06:00:19 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on September 27, 2013, 05:53:04 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 27, 2013, 04:28:14 PM
Ok, I will. Who should I tell? Osin? Jamser Clarke? BC1?
Winning repeatedly cheapens the magic of each individual title no matter the county or club. At that point it becomes about legacy as much as the singular moment of winning.
That's bullshit.
So, do Kerry people cherish the memories of their 2004 All-Ireland title in the same way that Armagh people cherish the memories of 2002?
I am not from Kerry but I am sure they cherished it as much. This bullshit that constant winning cheapens the magic is usually thrown about by those who don't win too often.
It's thrown up so often because it's blindingly obvious.
It's the law of diminishing marginal returns and it defies logic to say that someone who has witnessed their county winning several All-Irelands has enjoyed each one as much as someone who has witnessed their county's only All-Ireland win. For proof you can compare the reactions to Monaghan's Ulster title this year with Kerry's Munster title.
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 27, 2013, 11:47:39 PM
It's the law of diminishing marginal returns and it defies logic to say that someone who has witnessed their county winning several All-Irelands has enjoyed each one as much as someone who has witnessed their county's only All-Ireland win. For proof you can compare the reactions to Monaghan's Ulster title this year with Kerry's Munster title.
from a footballing point of view this years triumph was better than 011 but for sheer joy I and the way we won it I doubt 011 will ever be topped
Quote from: Syferus on September 27, 2013, 11:34:42 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on September 27, 2013, 06:44:40 PM
Quote from: Sidney on September 27, 2013, 06:00:19 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on September 27, 2013, 05:53:04 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 27, 2013, 04:28:14 PM
Ok, I will. Who should I tell? Osin? Jamser Clarke? BC1?
Winning repeatedly cheapens the magic of each individual title no matter the county or club. At that point it becomes about legacy as much as the singular moment of winning.
That's bullshit.
So, do Kerry people cherish the memories of their 2004 All-Ireland title in the same way that Armagh people cherish the memories of 2002?
I am not from Kerry but I am sure they cherished it as much. This bullshit that constant winning cheapens the magic is usually thrown about by those who don't win too often.
It's thrown up so often because it's blindingly obvious.
Catch yourself on, it's bullshit.
Quote from: Cold tea on September 28, 2013, 12:04:36 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 27, 2013, 11:34:42 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on September 27, 2013, 06:44:40 PM
Quote from: Sidney on September 27, 2013, 06:00:19 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on September 27, 2013, 05:53:04 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 27, 2013, 04:28:14 PM
Ok, I will. Who should I tell? Osin? Jamser Clarke? BC1?
Winning repeatedly cheapens the magic of each individual title no matter the county or club. At that point it becomes about legacy as much as the singular moment of winning.
That's bullshit.
So, do Kerry people cherish the memories of their 2004 All-Ireland title in the same way that Armagh people cherish the memories of 2002?
I am not from Kerry but I am sure they cherished it as much. This bullshit that constant winning cheapens the magic is usually thrown about by those who don't win too often.
It's thrown up so often because it's blindingly obvious.
Catch yourself on, it's bullshit.
Thanks for the scientific and detailed explanation why everyone else is wrong and you're right. You've won me over.
Quote from: heffo on September 27, 2013, 05:31:33 PM
Jesus I go away for a few days and there must be ten threads about Dublin!
Hard luck Mayo, I think you're just short a bit of variety in attack and although Mayo fans don't seem to like it, a big scoring forward that'll do it on the big day - O'Connor may yet turn into that player.
Awful game, but we've had enough moral victories over the years.
To be fair O'Connor, Moran, Dillon and (incredibly bad luck on the weekend) Freeman were not fully fit. I know Dublin can point reasonably to Alan Brogan but you have cover for him, we had 4 starting forwards who were not right and we needed them all flying. Donegal last year had a smooth run with no major injury concerns, which is even more amazing when you consider how combative the Ulster Championship is. We needed a run like that.
Look, if Dublin were to win the next 20 on the bounce, I'd be very happy, but the 18th clearly wouldn't mean as much as the 2011 win v. Kerry. Anyone saying otherwise just hasn't thought it through.
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Quote from: heffo on September 27, 2013, 05:31:33 PM
Jesus I go away for a few days and there must be ten threads about Dublin!
Hard luck Mayo, I think you're just short a bit of variety in attack and although Mayo fans don't seem to like it, a big scoring forward that'll do it on the big day - O'Connor may yet turn into that player.
Awful game, but we've had enough moral victories over the years.
To be fair O'Connor, Moran, Dillon and (incredibly bad luck on the weekend) Freeman were not fully fit. I know Dublin can point reasonably to Alan Brogan but you have cover for him, we had 4 starting forwards who were not right and we needed them all flying. Donegal last year had a smooth run with no major injury concerns, which is even more amazing when you consider how combative the Ulster Championship is. We needed a run like that.
In fairness would a fully fit Andy Moran score more than he did on Sunday? its the third final in a row that Dillon hasn't scored in and fully fit O'Connor managed less scores in last years final.
Mayo needed a better second half and a few points from play would have been enough to win the All Ireland.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 28, 2013, 01:28:01 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 28, 2013, 01:06:47 AM
Quote from: heffo on September 27, 2013, 05:31:33 PM
Jesus I go away for a few days and there must be ten threads about Dublin!
Hard luck Mayo, I think you're just short a bit of variety in attack and although Mayo fans don't seem to like it, a big scoring forward that'll do it on the big day - O'Connor may yet turn into that player.
Awful game, but we've had enough moral victories over the years.
To be fair O'Connor, Moran, Dillon and (incredibly bad luck on the weekend) Freeman were not fully fit. I know Dublin can point reasonably to Alan Brogan but you have cover for him, we had 4 starting forwards who were not right and we needed them all flying. Donegal last year had a smooth run with no major injury concerns, which is even more amazing when you consider how combative the Ulster Championship is. We needed a run like that.
In fairness would a fully fit Andy Moran score more than he did on Sunday? its the third final in a row that Dillon hasn't scored in and fully fit O'Connor managed less scores in last years final.
Mayo needed a better second half and a few points from play would have been enough to win the All Ireland.
Would 4 fully fit forwards not have made this slightly more likely than 4 unfit forwards?
5 of Dublin's starting 6 forwards only scored 3 points between them. In isolation, stats don't really tell much of a story.
Dillon has never turned up for final , he's aswell hit the road, it is time people stopped making excuses for lads who can't hack the big day. Time to bring in a couple of fresh faces but somehow I think the bull thick Ballimtubber buck Horan will persist with the same nine or so forwards he's always stuck with.
Quote from: muppet on September 28, 2013, 01:38:07 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 28, 2013, 01:28:01 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 28, 2013, 01:06:47 AM
Quote from: heffo on September 27, 2013, 05:31:33 PM
Jesus I go away for a few days and there must be ten threads about Dublin!
Hard luck Mayo, I think you're just short a bit of variety in attack and although Mayo fans don't seem to like it, a big scoring forward that'll do it on the big day - O'Connor may yet turn into that player.
Awful game, but we've had enough moral victories over the years.
To be fair O'Connor, Moran, Dillon and (incredibly bad luck on the weekend) Freeman were not fully fit. I know Dublin can point reasonably to Alan Brogan but you have cover for him, we had 4 starting forwards who were not right and we needed them all flying. Donegal last year had a smooth run with no major injury concerns, which is even more amazing when you consider how combative the Ulster Championship is. We needed a run like that.
In fairness would a fully fit Andy Moran score more than he did on Sunday? its the third final in a row that Dillon hasn't scored in and fully fit O'Connor managed less scores in last years final.
Mayo needed a better second half and a few points from play would have been enough to win the All Ireland.
Would 4 fully fit forwards not have made this slightly more likely than 4 unfit forwards?
5 of Dublin's starting 6 forwards only scored 3 points between them. In isolation, stats don't really tell much of a story.
Eoghan O'Gara who is unlikely to ever win all-star managed two points from play Mayos last point from play was in the 26 minute, thats a few stats that tells a story.
The Science has proven that excitement and Elation levels are the same per first time winner and repeat winner. The first time winner however doesn't celebrate with the same rationality and is typically refusing to milk cows for a week and setting bonfires etc in their gardens and fields etc. in other words the science says that the new winner reacts unconventionally to the win.
Quote from: Syferus on September 28, 2013, 12:08:17 AM
Quote from: Cold tea on September 28, 2013, 12:04:36 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 27, 2013, 11:34:42 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on September 27, 2013, 06:44:40 PM
Quote from: Sidney on September 27, 2013, 06:00:19 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on September 27, 2013, 05:53:04 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 27, 2013, 04:28:14 PM
Ok, I will. Who should I tell? Osin? Jamser Clarke? BC1?
Winning repeatedly cheapens the magic of each individual title no matter the county or club. At that point it becomes about legacy as much as the singular moment of winning.
That's bullshit.
So, do Kerry people cherish the memories of their 2004 All-Ireland title in the same way that Armagh people cherish the memories of 2002?
I am not from Kerry but I am sure they cherished it as much. This bullshit that constant winning cheapens the magic is usually thrown about by those who don't win too often.
It's thrown up so often because it's blindingly obvious.
Catch yourself on, it's bullshit.
Thanks for the scientific and detailed explanation why everyone else is wrong and you're right. You've won me over.
I'll await your detailed scientific explanation with interest - oh wait it's blindingly obvious. ::)
Quote from: larryin89 on September 28, 2013, 02:02:05 AM
Dillon has never turned up for final , he's aswell hit the road, it is time people stopped making excuses for lads who can't hack the big day. Time to bring in a couple of fresh faces but somehow I think the bull thick Ballimtubber buck Horan will persist with the same nine or so forwards he's always stuck with.
You're not a Horan fan then Lawrence? How well you didn't warn us about him before now. We could have been braced for the shock.
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Quote from: larryin89 on September 28, 2013, 02:02:05 AM
Dillon has never turned up for final , he's aswell hit the road, it is time people stopped making excuses for lads who can't hack the big day. Time to bring in a couple of fresh faces but somehow I think the bull thick Ballimtubber buck Horan will persist with the same nine or so forwards he's always stuck with.
You're not a Horan fan then Lawrence? How well you didn't warn us about him before now. We could have been braced for the shock.
Any truth in the rumour Horan is moving on??
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 28, 2013, 02:14:10 AM
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Quote from: heffo on September 27, 2013, 05:31:33 PM
Jesus I go away for a few days and there must be ten threads about Dublin!
Hard luck Mayo, I think you're just short a bit of variety in attack and although Mayo fans don't seem to like it, a big scoring forward that'll do it on the big day - O'Connor may yet turn into that player.
Awful game, but we've had enough moral victories over the years.
To be fair O'Connor, Moran, Dillon and (incredibly bad luck on the weekend) Freeman were not fully fit. I know Dublin can point reasonably to Alan Brogan but you have cover for him, we had 4 starting forwards who were not right and we needed them all flying. Donegal last year had a smooth run with no major injury concerns, which is even more amazing when you consider how combative the Ulster Championship is. We needed a run like that.
In fairness would a fully fit Andy Moran score more than he did on Sunday? its the third final in a row that Dillon hasn't scored in and fully fit O'Connor managed less scores in last years final.
Mayo needed a better second half and a few points from play would have been enough to win the All Ireland.
Would 4 fully fit forwards not have made this slightly more likely than 4 unfit forwards?
5 of Dublin's starting 6 forwards only scored 3 points between them. In isolation, stats don't really tell much of a story.
Eoghan O'Gara who is unlikely to ever win all-star managed two points from play Mayos last point from play was in the 26 minute, thats a few stats that tells a story.
Captain hindsight, you are a genius. ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on September 28, 2013, 11:06:16 AM
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Quote from: larryin89 on September 28, 2013, 02:02:05 AM
Dillon has never turned up for final , he's aswell hit the road, it is time people stopped making excuses for lads who can't hack the big day. Time to bring in a couple of fresh faces but somehow I think the bull thick Ballimtubber buck Horan will persist with the same nine or so forwards he's always stuck with.
You're not a Horan fan then Lawrence? How well you didn't warn us about him before now. We could have been braced for the shock.
Any truth in the rumour Horan is moving on??
We were looking for a third selector last season, there may be an opening for him. Don't know about his record though. Should we take the risk?
Quote from: Syferus on September 28, 2013, 11:47:37 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 28, 2013, 11:06:16 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 28, 2013, 10:33:38 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 28, 2013, 02:02:05 AM
Dillon has never turned up for final , he's aswell hit the road, it is time people stopped making excuses for lads who can't hack the big day. Time to bring in a couple of fresh faces but somehow I think the bull thick Ballimtubber buck Horan will persist with the same nine or so forwards he's always stuck with.
You're not a Horan fan then Lawrence? How well you didn't warn us about him before now. We could have been braced for the shock.
Any truth in the rumour Horan is moving on??
We were looking for a third selector last season, there may be an opening for him. Don't know about his record though. Should we take the risk?
It might be worth a shot.
If we were as "bad" as Horan's team over the last 2 or 3 years we wouldn't be complaining ( nor would about 28 other Counties).
Quote from: larryin89 on September 28, 2013, 02:02:05 AM
Dillon has never turned up for final , he's aswell hit the road, it is time people stopped making excuses for lads who can't hack the big day. Time to bring in a couple of fresh faces but somehow I think the bull thick Ballimtubber buck Horan will persist with the same nine or so forwards he's always stuck with.
In fairness he deserved to start. But to finish the game that is a different argument. With the handicaps that our FF line had the HF line needed to be strong. Can't see Dillon doing another lap? When Club championship is over he will have much needed op. Good servant!
Quote from: larryin89 on September 28, 2013, 02:02:05 AM
Dillon has never turned up for final , he's aswell hit the road, it is time people stopped making excuses for lads who can't hack the big day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVPTGYFC7H8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVPTGYFC7H8)
Quote from: larryin89 on September 28, 2013, 02:02:05 AM
Dillon has never turned up for final , he's aswell hit the road, it is time people stopped making excuses for lads who can't hack the big day. Time to bring in a couple of fresh faces but somehow I think the bull thick Ballimtubber buck Horan will persist with the same nine or so forwards he's always stuck with.
What new faces?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 28, 2013, 05:52:04 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 28, 2013, 02:02:05 AM
Dillon has never turned up for final , he's aswell hit the road, it is time people stopped making excuses for lads who can't hack the big day. Time to bring in a couple of fresh faces but somehow I think the bull thick Ballimtubber buck Horan will persist with the same nine or so forwards he's always stuck with.
What new faces?
Coen and Evan Regan should get long runs in the league but no guarantees they can bring something new to the table. Best forward at club level for the last two years lives/works in London, more so unfortunate that he would be highly likely to offer something. I said it already, as far as our first choice forwards' fitness was concerned luck deserted us earlier in the year. Andy only returning at the start of the championship, Dillon playing with an abdominal/groin injury, our best forward in the league, Conroy, popping his shoulder a week after the league semi, Cillian doing his in the first club championship match of the summer and Freeman's reported illness the week before the final (didn't show any ill effects tho IMO). Kevin McLoughlin's form dipped after the Donegal match? I would wonder how we'd have got on if we had all these lads fully fit with good game time behind them. I can't think of any other county team that has had such a run of injuries to such a large number of first choice players as we have had since the beginning of the year.
I can think of plenty of teams severely effected by injuries and absenences. Mayo's is just more obvious because their season extended to September.
Donegal only had a couple injuries but they were to mission-critical players and that was enough to nudge their train totally off-road by the end of the season. Some of the teams we named in the NFL this year would have been experimental for the FBD.
Quote from: Syferus on September 28, 2013, 07:16:08 PM
I can think of plenty of teams severely effected by injuries and absenences. Mayo's is just more obvious because their season extended to September.
Donegal only had a couple injuries but they were to mission-critical players and that was enough to nudge their train totally off-road by the end of the season. Some of the teams we named in the NFL this year would have been experimental for the FBD.
Yet last year they had no such issues with injuries, would they have won the all Ireland last year with the injuries to the same key players as they had this year? 8 county players got injured in one weekend of club football earlier in the year, I can't remember that sort of attrition in recent times. We needed a fully fit COC, the desperation to get him on the pitch in some form was evidence of that. The sickening thing is that all we needed was performance by one more forward, or even by AOS and the tone on this thread would've been very different the past week. Christ, even if Horan put some faith in throwing Shane McHale or Kevin Keane in for Cunniffe instead of bringing what was our most effective forward in Higgins back into defence and making what was an already unsettled forward line after the withdrawal of Freeman even more so.
Yes I know about Coen/Regan and Conor O'Shea. I'm not really sure though. They only scored a miserly 0-8 against Galway in the U-21 championship. Now whether or not that was down to U-21 management or not is another thing.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 28, 2013, 08:17:10 PM
Yes I know about Coen/Regan and Conor O'Shea. I'm not really sure though. They only scored a miserly 0-8 against Galway in the U-21 championship. Now whether or not that was down to U-21 management or not is another thing.
Time will only tell on that. Until then hoping that sorting out O'Connor's and Dillon's injuries will bring them some way back to the form they've shown in the not too distant past, and Andy getting a full season of football under his belt will bring the necessary improvement to the forward line for next year. That and hoping the team and management can rise themselves for another crack at it.
Key to us getting back on the horse next year is getting Cillian sorted. Giving time to other players carrying injuries. Giving McLoughlin a rest from intercounty football. Hoping our club champions don't go to far in the AI Club championship (fecks up county team). Two or three fresh additions from under 21. A look at some of the old stock who were there before or never put on a county jersey and what they might have to offer. This is not a long term project. It's about making (and getting) the best from this present group.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 28, 2013, 02:02:05 AM
Dillon has never turned up for final , he's aswell hit the road, it is time people stopped making excuses for lads who can't hack the big day. Time to bring in a couple of fresh faces but somehow I think the bull thick Ballimtubber buck Horan will persist with the same nine or so forwards he's always stuck with.
good lad ,good lad -will I put a beer mat on your pint while yer gone out for a fag ...and for f**k sake pull up your farah trousers
A look at some of the old stock who were there before or never put on a county jersey and what they might have to offer.
Who would you have in mind? Id like to see Kilcoyne given a chance if hes available and what about Tom Parsons?
The time for the triumphant final turn of the Thriller has arrived.
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Quote from: larryin89 on September 28, 2013, 02:02:05 AM
Dillon has never turned up for final , he's aswell hit the road, it is time people stopped making excuses for lads who can't hack the big day. Time to bring in a couple of fresh faces but somehow I think the bull thick Ballimtubber buck Horan will persist with the same nine or so forwards he's always stuck with.
good lad ,good lad -will I put a beer mat on your pint while yer gone out for a fag ...and for f**k sake pull up your farah trousers
So he has turned up for finals ? Don't smoke.
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 29, 2013, 12:37:25 AM
A look at some of the old stock who were there before or never put on a county jersey and what they might have to offer.
Who would you have in mind? Id like to see Kilcoyne given a chance if hes available and what about Tom Parsons?
Liked Parsons in 08 when he delivered a couple of standout performances that year. Serious athleticism and pace and no shortage of skill. Faded out badly the 2 years after tho. I would like to see him get another chance but where would you fit him in?
Parsons should be given a go at midfield or even cf.Also Aiden Kilcoyne has to be looked at he scored 3-3 against Ballina today
Mark Ronaldson looked a good player any time I saw him when he was on the Mayo panel a few years back. Any particular reason he faded from the scene there?
I thought Austin O'Malley was going to be the aggressive, direct full forward you've been crying out for at one stage.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 30, 2013, 03:18:32 PM
I thought Austin O'Malley was going to be the aggressive, direct full forward you've been crying out for at one stage.
Serious potential there, remember him destroying Dublin in a league match in Castlebar by himself. Beat them 12 points to 2 or something.
Regarding potential injection of freshness into forward line : You'd have to be looking at Kilcoyne (Knockmore), Evan Regan (Ballina), Conor O'Shea (younger O'Shea brother) and Darren Coen (Hollymount) and Kirby (Castlebar).
Am I forgetting anyone lads?
Quote from: Jinxy on September 30, 2013, 03:18:32 PM
I thought Austin O'Malley was going to be the aggressive, direct full forward you've been crying out for at one stage.
Plays with Wicklow, joined in 2011.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 30, 2013, 03:18:32 PM
I thought Austin O'Malley was going to be the aggressive, direct full forward you've been crying out for at one stage.
Well if it wasn't for Mayo you would have no craic in and around Croke park at all Jinxy ;).
Well apart from the odd dvision 3 final or the yearly pasting by the Dubs! ;D
Any more land that needs to be farmed properly going up the way? ;D
Bring back the mort
Quote from: rrhf on September 30, 2013, 05:13:00 PM
Bring back the mort
The last time the Mort played against Dublin (April 2012) he scored 0-8 breaking all time Mayo scoring record but then again would he deliver on All Ireland final day?
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Quote from: Jinxy on September 30, 2013, 03:18:32 PM
I thought Austin O'Malley was going to be the aggressive, direct full forward you've been crying out for at one stage.
Serious potential there, remember him destroying Dublin in a league match in Castlebar by himself. Beat them 12 points to 2 or something.
Regarding potential injection of freshness into forward line : You'd have to be looking at Kilcoyne (Knockmore), Evan Regan (Ballina), Conor O'Shea (younger O'Shea brother) and Darren Coen (Hollymount) and Kirby (Castlebar).
Am I forgetting anyone lads?
Mayo might as well bring back The Mort if people are taking about bringing back Austie. I was at that game in Castlebar too. It was played in 2004. There's a fair bit of water under the bridge since.
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Quote from: rrhf on September 30, 2013, 05:13:00 PM
Bring back the mort
The last time the Mort played against Dublin (April 2012) he scored 0-8 breaking all time Mayo scoring record but then again would he deliver on All Ireland final day?
Horan would need to take his talents to South Beach before Mort had even a remote chance of featuring again. Realistically, bedding in a player like Adam Gallagher (or Darren Coen if he shows something he didn't this year) is the best route for Mayo changing up their attack next season.
Quote from: Syferus on September 30, 2013, 07:12:26 PM
Quote from: ross4life on September 30, 2013, 06:50:19 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 30, 2013, 05:13:00 PM
Bring back the mort
The last time the Mort played against Dublin (April 2012) he scored 0-8 breaking all time Mayo scoring record but then again would he deliver on All Ireland final day?
Horan would need to take his talents to South Beach before Mort had even a remote chance of featuring again. Realistically, bedding in a player like Adam Gallagher (or Darren Coen if he shows something he didn't this year) is the best route for Mayo changing up their attack next season.
Adam Gallagher is more of midfielder than a forward i would have thought & good free taker. Coen held a lot of promise at minor level i'm not sure has he stepped up thus far he played against us at U21 level a few times and didn't overly impress. Evan Regan looks the best bet for me but must be some reason why Horan dropped him off the panel? hes the son of former Ros Gaels player Noel Regan and a 1st cousin to the Regans in the square in Ros town so if hes not wanted by them hes more than welcome to Roscommon ;)
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Quote from: Jinxy on September 30, 2013, 03:18:32 PM
I thought Austin O'Malley was going to be the aggressive, direct full forward you've been crying out for at one stage.
Well if it wasn't for Mayo you would have no craic in and around Croke park at all Jinxy ;).
Well apart from the odd dvision 3 final or the yearly pasting by the Dubs! ;D
Any more land that needs to be farmed properly going up the way? ;D
I was being serious.
anybody read the hatchet job the Connacht Telegraph done on James Horan.It would make you cry in despair at the morons that inhabit our county.Wouldnt blame Horan if he said fu-k it and resigned with all of the abuse he is getting.Edwin Mcgreal writes a very good article in the Mayo News today analyzing why Mayo lost the all ireland and basically it boils down to that we were not good enough on the day,with not being able to create scoring opportunities after the first 25 min. and far too many turnovers in good attacking positions.
I'm amazed at some of the criticism being dished out to Moran. He has turned Mayo into one of the best teams in the country. They lost an All-Ireland by a point, to a team that had only been beaten once in a competitive game all season. Surely its very harsh. Ok they didn't reach the previous heights in the final but they went very close to taking it home. Shame.
Quote from: maigheo on October 02, 2013, 12:00:52 AM
anybody read the hatchet job the Connacht Telegraph done on James Horan.It would make you cry in despair at the morons that inhabit our county.Wouldnt blame Horan if he said f*-k it and resigned with all of the abuse he is getting.Edwin Mcgreal writes a very good article in the Mayo News today analyzing why Mayo lost the all ireland and basically it boils down to that we were not good enough on the day,with not being able to create scoring opportunities after the first 25 min. and far too many turnovers in good attacking positions.
I don't think anybody takes The Connaught Telegraph as a serious newspaper. Every single time I've read one of their articles, it is full of basic mistakes - players names, years of previous matches, scorelines, scorers, basic grammar.
That paper (and probably same writer) wrote a heavily critical piece about Horan last year as well, it seems they have some axe to grind.
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Quote from: maigheo on October 02, 2013, 12:00:52 AM
anybody read the hatchet job the Connacht Telegraph done on James Horan.It would make you cry in despair at the morons that inhabit our county.Wouldnt blame Horan if he said f*-k it and resigned with all of the abuse he is getting.Edwin Mcgreal writes a very good article in the Mayo News today analyzing why Mayo lost the all ireland and basically it boils down to that we were not good enough on the day,with not being able to create scoring opportunities after the first 25 min. and far too many turnovers in good attacking positions.
I don't think anybody takes The Connaught Telegraph as a serious newspaper. Every single time I've read one of their articles, it is full of basic mistakes - players names, years of previous matches, scorelines, scorers, basic grammar.
That paper (and probably same writer) wrote a heavily critical piece about Horan last year as well, it seems they have some axe to grind.
i think a lot of Castlebar are grinding Axes this weather .
If they finally win the county final the noise will be very loud from our capital
QuoteI'm amazed at some of the criticism being dished out to Moran. He has turned Mayo into one of the best teams in the country. They lost an All-Ireland by a point, to a team that had only been beaten once in a competitive game all season. Surely its very harsh. Ok they didn't reach the previous heights in the final but they went very close to taking it home. Shame.
I'm amazed that your amazed. This year's objective was to win the AI and anything short of that is failure. Failure leads to criticism. Horan will expect this, it comes with the territory and it would be abnormal if the whole team including management don't self criticize.
At the end of the day Horan can't put the ball over the bar so for me most of the criticism boils down to the players. The freezer to conroy sub would have been seen as a master stroke if conroy ended up clicking and scoring 3 or 4 points from play and we ended up winning. I'm sure Horan regrets not taking off a few lads earlier also.
Nothing wrong with balanced criticism where it's rightly due. By the way I haven't read the paper article nor do I intend to.
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Quote from: maigheo on October 02, 2013, 12:00:52 AM
anybody read the hatchet job the Connacht Telegraph done on James Horan.It would make you cry in despair at the morons that inhabit our county.Wouldnt blame Horan if he said f*-k it and resigned with all of the abuse he is getting.Edwin Mcgreal writes a very good article in the Mayo News today analyzing why Mayo lost the all ireland and basically it boils down to that we were not good enough on the day,with not being able to create scoring opportunities after the first 25 min. and far too many turnovers in good attacking positions.
I don't think anybody takes The Connaught Telegraph as a serious newspaper. Every single time I've read one of their articles, it is full of basic mistakes - players names, years of previous matches, scorelines, scorers, basic grammar.
That paper (and probably same writer) wrote a heavily critical piece about Horan last year as well, it seems they have some axe to grind.
i think a lot of Castlebar are grinding Axes this weather .
If they finally win the county final the noise will be very loud from our capital
I have not bought the Connacht Telegraph in just over 4 years. Found it to be one of the laziest papers around. Compared to the Mayo News sports coverage is basic and lacking. Seen the article you talk about at work. Has a Mayo Manager ever got a a roasting like that before? Anyway won't be renewing my subscription any time soon.
Have to say I am genuinely surprised that there are people calling for Horan's head.
We'll take him if ye like ;)
Connacht Telegraph back page TUESDAY, 01 OCTOBER 2013
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/gaelic/3985-is-it-the-end-of-the-road-for-horan (http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/gaelic/3985-is-it-the-end-of-the-road-for-horan)
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 02, 2013, 05:23:20 PM
Connacht Telegraph back page TUESDAY, 01 OCTOBER 2013
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/gaelic/3985-is-it-the-end-of-the-road-for-horan (http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/gaelic/3985-is-it-the-end-of-the-road-for-horan)
It'd be a sad day for Mayo were it to come to pass. Even though I think it would be a big ask to make a third successive final Horan is clearly the best bet for Mayo next season.
Article reads like a hatchet job, though. In Larrin's immortal words it may make 'bull thick' Jamsey sign up for another full term.
Is the article author-less for a reason or is the CT's website just poorly edited?
Quote from: Syferus on October 02, 2013, 06:02:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 02, 2013, 05:23:20 PM
Connacht Telegraph back page TUESDAY, 01 OCTOBER 2013
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/gaelic/3985-is-it-the-end-of-the-road-for-horan (http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/gaelic/3985-is-it-the-end-of-the-road-for-horan)
It'd be a sad day for Mayo were it to come to pass. Even though I think it would be a big ask to make a third successive final Horan is clearly the best bet for Mayo next season.
Article reads like a hatchet job, though. In Larrin's immortal words it may make 'bull thick' Jamsey sign up for another full term.
Is the article author-less for a reason or is the CT's website just poorly edited?
Aidan Henry was the genius behind the arse wipe garbage.I bought the CT a few weeks ago-it was the best reminder of the reason I had stopped buyin it years ago!Its sooo far behind the MN
Quote from: sans pessimism on October 02, 2013, 08:27:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 02, 2013, 06:02:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 02, 2013, 05:23:20 PM
Connacht Telegraph back page TUESDAY, 01 OCTOBER 2013
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/gaelic/3985-is-it-the-end-of-the-road-for-horan (http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/gaelic/3985-is-it-the-end-of-the-road-for-horan)
It'd be a sad day for Mayo were it to come to pass. Even though I think it would be a big ask to make a third successive final Horan is clearly the best bet for Mayo next season.
Article reads like a hatchet job, though. In Larrin's immortal words it may make 'bull thick' Jamsey sign up for another full term.
Is the article author-less for a reason or is the CT's website just poorly edited?
Aidan Henry was the genius behind the arse wipe garbage.I bought the CT a few weeks ago-it was the best reminder of the reason I had stopped buyin it years ago!Its sooo far behind the MN
Hasn t this guy got a track record with this kind of thing but cant remember which manager it was again?
This is the melodramatic kind of shite that annoys me;
''
I asked some of these questions in last week's issue of The Connaught Telegraph and still await answers. Now the Mayo supporters are demanding they get these answers, which I have outlined separately on this page.''
Now I m a Mayo supporter and I m not aking questions never mind demanding answers from James Horan or anybody else.
Quote from: moysider on October 02, 2013, 08:44:49 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on October 02, 2013, 08:27:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 02, 2013, 06:02:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 02, 2013, 05:23:20 PM
Connacht Telegraph back page TUESDAY, 01 OCTOBER 2013
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/gaelic/3985-is-it-the-end-of-the-road-for-horan (http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/gaelic/3985-is-it-the-end-of-the-road-for-horan)
It'd be a sad day for Mayo were it to come to pass. Even though I think it would be a big ask to make a third successive final Horan is clearly the best bet for Mayo next season.
Article reads like a hatchet job, though. In Larrin's immortal words it may make 'bull thick' Jamsey sign up for another full term.
Is the article author-less for a reason or is the CT's website just poorly edited?
Aidan Henry was the genius behind the arse wipe garbage.I bought the CT a few weeks ago-it was the best reminder of the reason I had stopped buyin it years ago!Its sooo far behind the MN
Hasn t this guy got a track record with this kind of thing but cant remember which manager it was again?
This is the melodramatic kind of shite that annoys me;
''I asked some of these questions in last week's issue of The Connaught Telegraph and still await answers. Now the Mayo supporters are demanding they get these answers, which I have outlined separately on this page.''
Now I m a Mayo supporter and I m not aking questions never mind demanding answers from James Horan or anybody else.
John O'Mahony?
Quote from: moysider on October 02, 2013, 08:44:49 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on October 02, 2013, 08:27:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 02, 2013, 06:02:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 02, 2013, 05:23:20 PM
Connacht Telegraph back page TUESDAY, 01 OCTOBER 2013
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/gaelic/3985-is-it-the-end-of-the-road-for-horan (http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/gaelic/3985-is-it-the-end-of-the-road-for-horan)
It'd be a sad day for Mayo were it to come to pass. Even though I think it would be a big ask to make a third successive final Horan is clearly the best bet for Mayo next season.
Article reads like a hatchet job, though. In Larrin's immortal words it may make 'bull thick' Jamsey sign up for another full term.
Is the article author-less for a reason or is the CT's website just poorly edited?
Aidan Henry was the genius behind the arse wipe garbage.I bought the CT a few weeks ago-it was the best reminder of the reason I had stopped buyin it years ago!Its sooo far behind the MN
Hasn t this guy got a track record with this kind of thing but cant remember which manager it was again?
This is the melodramatic kind of shite that annoys me;
''I asked some of these questions in last week's issue of The Connaught Telegraph and still await answers. Now the Mayo supporters are demanding they get these answers, which I have outlined separately on this page.''
Now I m a Mayo supporter and I m not aking questions never mind demanding answers from James Horan or anybody else.
Someone in the Telegraph had a pop at Horan at the start of the year about him having favourites and not giving other players (Parsons, Kilcoyne) a fair shake. I'm not sure if it was buck or not though.
As for the piece itself, it's muck of course. Sadly, not only is it muck, it's such muck that it is actually depressing. It's depressing that the Connaught Telegraph, a paper that's been around for a long, long time, has to stoop to this to sell a few copies. They have to be bigger than this. A newspaper isn't meant to be a forum for corner-boys and gasbags. Sad day for the Telegraph.
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Quote from: moysider on October 02, 2013, 08:44:49 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on October 02, 2013, 08:27:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 02, 2013, 06:02:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 02, 2013, 05:23:20 PM
Connacht Telegraph back page TUESDAY, 01 OCTOBER 2013
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/gaelic/3985-is-it-the-end-of-the-road-for-horan (http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/gaelic/3985-is-it-the-end-of-the-road-for-horan)
It'd be a sad day for Mayo were it to come to pass. Even though I think it would be a big ask to make a third successive final Horan is clearly the best bet for Mayo next season.
Article reads like a hatchet job, though. In Larrin's immortal words it may make 'bull thick' Jamsey sign up for another full term.
Is the article author-less for a reason or is the CT's website just poorly edited?
Aidan Henry was the genius behind the arse wipe garbage.I bought the CT a few weeks ago-it was the best reminder of the reason I had stopped buyin it years ago!Its sooo far behind the MN
Hasn t this guy got a track record with this kind of thing but cant remember which manager it was again?
This is the melodramatic kind of shite that annoys me;
''I asked some of these questions in last week's issue of The Connaught Telegraph and still await answers. Now the Mayo supporters are demanding they get these answers, which I have outlined separately on this page.''
Now I m a Mayo supporter and I m not aking questions never mind demanding answers from James Horan or anybody else.
John O'Mahony?
er........... no, I dont think so. If he had done a number on Johnno it would have been a decent thing ;D. To be honest I dont take that paper hardly ever. So he could have pruned Johnno and I d have been none the wiser.
But there is pattern emerging here as regards Mayo managers. The bitterest bile is reserved for the decent ones that get beat in AI finals. Maughan, Moran and Horan have been smashed in turn. The chancers who duck out in July avoid the bandwagon are held in the highest of esteem.
Look, losing an AI final is always going to get messy.
Yer mans piece is not something that anybody should get excited about. The only difference between his 'questions' and what has been batted about on barstools is that the guys on the barstools did so in a more suitable, private and more respectful environment. In fact, I ve been in a pub once since the match and anybody that would have even dared to mention the final it would have been chinned.
Is Horan beyond been questioned because he has lost two consecutive all Ireland finals?
Just a little sidenote in reponse to the digs at Johnno, we would be nowhere without the forward thinking of that man as far back as 83 under 21 team he got the ball rolling for what we have today.
Depressing stuff on here. You'd swear these managers were going out to lose games on purpose.
Look at the Higgins switch - everyone agrees that he was a loss around the middle of the field. What if Horan broughy on Kevin Keane and O'Gara scored a goal off him. "Horan hasn't learned from his mistakes in last year's final", everyone would say. If he brought in McHale and O'Gara scored a couple of points from play - "What was he thinking of bringing on an untested player in an All Ireland Final and us with an Allstar corner back playing in the forwards?!"
And the Freeman issue. Horan has come out in the media and stated that Freeman wasn't full fit / well. Until Alan Freeman comes out in public and refutes that, we have to take it at face value. I don't care who was talking to his mother / father / first cousin twice removed.
I could go on about the game, but most of it has been said and re-hashed
It reminds me of post-97. Anything that went wrong in Mayo football was accompanied with "F**kin' Maughan" as if
1) He was the only man with any input into whether we won an All Ireland
2) Mayo only needed to turn up to win - how dare he lose and
3) He somehow intended for Mayo to lose a final.
People who are calling for Horan's head have very short memories indeed. He has brought us a long way in a short time and has earned another crack at it. If he stays on and ultimately comes up short, he should be thanked for his efforts and congratulated on his achievements.
Jeez Larry are you serious about JOM.To say that he had anything to do with Mayo's success over the past three years is crazy.Not even going to bother arguing with you as you have to be a WUm.Horan is not above criticism but I find it very strange that so many people want to get rid of him after a 13 and 3 record over 3 years.Reading some of the posts on the WJ blog and Aiden Henry in the CTyou would think that Horan had never played or managed above junior b level before he took the Mayo job.Sometimes I think we deserve managers like Johnno as alot of supporters never appreciate a good manager when we stumble across one.
Very good post 'Never beat the dealer'.
Quote from: maigheo on October 03, 2013, 03:37:18 AM
Jeez Larry are you serious about JOM.To say that he had anything to do with Mayo's success over the past three years is crazy.Not even going to bother arguing with you as you have to be a WUm.Horan is not above criticism but I find it very strange that so many people want to get rid of him after a 13 and 3 record over 3 years.Reading some of the posts on the WJ blog and Aiden Henry in the CTyou would think that Horan had never played or managed above junior b level before he took the Mayo job.Sometimes I think we deserve managers like Johnno as alot of supporters never appreciate a good manager when we stumble across one.
I know it didn't work out for him or Mayo on his return however any manager that can bring teams to four All Ireland finals and win two of them can't be that bad?
QuotePeople who are calling for Horan's head have very short memories indeed. He has brought us a long way in a short time and has earned another crack at it
NBTD, not sure where or to who your post is directed? I haven't seen any posters calling for Horan's head. Try and read the posts before jumping to your own conclusions.
If that was the case ("calling for Horans head") on this forum it would be the topic of a new thread, which is very unlikely. Plenty of other counties around would only love to have the likes of him.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 02, 2013, 03:00:41 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on October 02, 2013, 12:38:36 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on October 02, 2013, 12:40:50 AM
Quote from: maigheo on October 02, 2013, 12:00:52 AM
anybody read the hatchet job the Connacht Telegraph done on James Horan.It would make you cry in despair at the morons that inhabit our county.Wouldnt blame Horan if he said f*-k it and resigned with all of the abuse he is getting.Edwin Mcgreal writes a very good article in the Mayo News today analyzing why Mayo lost the all ireland and basically it boils down to that we were not good enough on the day,with not being able to create scoring opportunities after the first 25 min. and far too many turnovers in good attacking positions.
I don't think anybody takes The Connaught Telegraph as a serious newspaper. Every single time I've read one of their articles, it is full of basic mistakes - players names, years of previous matches, scorelines, scorers, basic grammar.
That paper (and probably same writer) wrote a heavily critical piece about Horan last year as well, it seems they have some axe to grind.
i think a lot of Castlebar are grinding Axes this weather .
If they finally win the county final the noise will be very loud from our capital
I have not bought the Connacht Telegraph in just over 4 years. Found it to be one of the laziest papers around. Compared to the Mayo News sports coverage is basic and lacking. Seen the article you talk about at work. Has a Mayo Manager ever got a a roasting like that before? Anyway won't be renewing my subscription any time soon.
its lazy in the sense that there is not one arguement there i have not heard since black sunday .
while im far from Calling for horans head , is there a danger he has hit his Glass ceiling .
Getting a new manager is no sure way of breaking through, indeed we could go back years if the wrong man was appointed but i think its no harm to Keep asking questions and keep asking for better that extra 5 % or so to get Mayo Over the line.
While it would not make one iota of difference . It would be nice to get answers to some of the questions from the AIF in Particular about Freeman ,richie Feeney, Seamie and the reasoning behind the change when cunniffe went off .
Quote from: highorlow on October 03, 2013, 09:34:38 AM
QuotePeople who are calling for Horan's head have very short memories indeed. He has brought us a long way in a short time and has earned another crack at it
NBTD, not sure where or to who your post is directed? I haven't seen any posters calling for Horan's head. Try and read the posts before jumping to your own conclusions.
If that was the case ("calling for Horans head") on this forum it would be the topic of a new thread, which is very unlikely. Plenty of other counties around would only love to have the likes of him.
highorlow,have a look at the mayogaablog site-plenty on there calling for his removal
Quote from: larryin89 on October 03, 2013, 01:40:58 AM
Is Horan beyond been questioned because he has lost two consecutive all Ireland finals?
Just a little sidenote in reponse to the digs at Johnno, we would be nowhere without the forward thinking of that man as far back as 83 under 21 team he got the ball rolling for what we have today.
I assume you were around Longford on June 26th 2010?
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on October 03, 2013, 03:30:22 AM
Depressing stuff on here. You'd swear these managers were going out to lose games on purpose.
Look at the Higgins switch - everyone agrees that he was a loss around the middle of the field. What if Horan broughy on Kevin Keane and O'Gara scored a goal off him. "Horan hasn't learned from his mistakes in last year's final", everyone would say. If he brought in McHale and O'Gara scored a couple of points from play - "What was he thinking of bringing on an untested player in an All Ireland Final and us with an Allstar corner back playing in the forwards?!"
And the Freeman issue. Horan has come out in the media and stated that Freeman wasn't full fit / well. Until Alan Freeman comes out in public and refutes that, we have to take it at face value. I don't care who was talking to his mother / father / first cousin twice removed.
I could go on about the game, but most of it has been said and re-hashed
It reminds me of post-97. Anything that went wrong in Mayo football was accompanied with "F**kin' Maughan" as if
1) He was the only man with any input into whether we won an All Ireland
2) Mayo only needed to turn up to win - how dare he lose and
3) He somehow intended for Mayo to lose a final.
People who are calling for Horan's head have very short memories indeed. He has brought us a long way in a short time and has earned another crack at it. If he stays on and ultimately comes up short, he should be thanked for his efforts and congratulated on his achievements.
Great post Deeler, Horan IMHO is one of the top 4 managers in the country at present, it is crazy that we are even having this debate about him leaving.....Micko is available!!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 03, 2013, 04:12:52 AM
Quote from: maigheo on October 03, 2013, 03:37:18 AM
Jeez Larry are you serious about JOM.To say that he had anything to do with Mayo's success over the past three years is crazy.Not even going to bother arguing with you as you have to be a WUm.Horan is not above criticism but I find it very strange that so many people want to get rid of him after a 13 and 3 record over 3 years.Reading some of the posts on the WJ blog and Aiden Henry in the CTyou would think that Horan had never played or managed above junior b level before he took the Mayo job.Sometimes I think we deserve managers like Johnno as alot of supporters never appreciate a good manager when we stumble across one.
I know it didn't work out for him or Mayo on his return however any manager that can bring teams to four All Ireland finals and win two of them can't be that bad?
It's hard to credit alright but the facts suggest otherwise. Johnno took over a team of A-I runners up in 2007 and led them downhill all the way until the abject surrender to Longford in the qualifiers in 2010.
I've been following Mayo for over half a century and I've never seen such a clueless display as I saw that day. The game before that when Sligo knocked us out of the Connacht championship came a close second.
Since Horan replaced him in 2011, Mayo have appeared in 3 A-I semis, winning two of them and in the process, winning 3 Connachts on the trot. Horan has managed to do this with basically the same squad of players that O'Mahony used for the Longford match.
Ten survivors from the Longford debacle started against Dublin last Sunday week. Another, David Clarke, was missing because of injury and Barry Moran came on as a sub.
So Horan has been using the same players more or less as O'Mahony had and is coming up with far more impressive results.
If Horan does decide to step down, nobody will be calling for the return of O'Mahony and that's for sure.
I've done a top ten (in order) of the worst losses in the Championship Mayo have had over 25 years. This years AI final would not even make it anyway near these losses. Some real days of shame!
1 - 2004 AI final Hammering to Kerry
2 - 1993 Semifinal hammering to Cork
3 - 2006 AI final Hammering to Kerry
4 - 1992 semi-final loss to Donegal
5 - 1994 Connacht final loss to Leitrim
6 - 1995 Connacht final Hammering to Galway
7 - 2001 loss to Westmeath
8 - 2007 Hammering to Derry
9 - 2012 Loss to Longford
10- 2002 loss to Fermanagh
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 03, 2013, 02:44:13 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 03, 2013, 04:12:52 AM
Quote from: maigheo on October 03, 2013, 03:37:18 AM
Jeez Larry are you serious about JOM.To say that he had anything to do with Mayo's success over the past three years is crazy.Not even going to bother arguing with you as you have to be a WUm.Horan is not above criticism but I find it very strange that so many people want to get rid of him after a 13 and 3 record over 3 years.Reading some of the posts on the WJ blog and Aiden Henry in the CTyou would think that Horan had never played or managed above junior b level before he took the Mayo job.Sometimes I think we deserve managers like Johnno as alot of supporters never appreciate a good manager when we stumble across one.
I know it didn't work out for him or Mayo on his return however any manager that can bring teams to four All Ireland finals and win two of them can't be that bad?
It's hard to credit alright but the facts suggest otherwise. Johnno took over a team of A-I runners up in 2007 and led them downhill all the way until the abject surrender to Longford in the qualifiers in 2010.
I've been following Mayo for over half a century and I've never seen such a clueless display as I saw that day. The game before that when Sligo knocked us out of the Connacht championship came a close second.
Since Horan replaced him in 2011, Mayo have appeared in 3 A-I semis, winning two of them and in the process, winning 3 Connachts on the trot. Horan has managed to do this with basically the same squad of players that O'Mahony used for the Longford match.
Ten survivors from the Longford debacle started against Dublin last Sunday week. Another, David Clarke, was missing because of injury and Barry Moran came on as a sub.
So Horan has been using the same players more or less as O'Mahony had and is coming up with far more impressive results.
If Horan does decide to step down, nobody will be calling for the return of O'Mahony and that's for sure.
How much money has be pumped into team Horan though? Cian O'Neill last year or Donie Buckley now wouldn't have come cheap. Mayo have probably more members on their management now than ever before.
too many cooks can spoil the broth?
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 03, 2013, 03:30:56 PM
I've done a top ten (in order) of the worst losses in the Championship Mayo have had over 25 years. This years AI final would not even make it anyway near these losses. Some real days of shame!
1 - 2004 AI final Hammering to Kerry
2 - 1993 Semifinal hammering to Cork
3 - 2006 AI final Hammering to Kerry
4 - 1992 semi-final loss to Donegal
5 - 1994 Connacht final loss to Leitrim
6 - 1995 Connacht final Hammering to Galway
7 - 2001 loss to Westmeath
8 - 2007 Hammering to Derry
9 - 2012 Loss to Longford
10- 2002 loss to Fermanagh
Why is that on the list? Donegal went on to win the All Ireland and their side was mixture of two U21 All Ireland winning teams.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 03, 2013, 05:39:25 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 03, 2013, 03:30:56 PM
I've done a top ten (in order) of the worst losses in the Championship Mayo have had over 25 years. This years AI final would not even make it anyway near these losses. Some real days of shame!
1 - 2004 AI final Hammering to Kerry
2 - 1993 Semifinal hammering to Cork
3 - 2006 AI final Hammering to Kerry
4 - 1992 semi-final loss to Donegal
5 - 1994 Connacht final loss to Leitrim
6 - 1995 Connacht final Hammering to Galway
7 - 2001 loss to Westmeath
8 - 2007 Hammering to Derry
9 - 2012 Loss to Longford
10- 2002 loss to Fermanagh
Why is that on the list? Donegal went on to win the All Ireland and their side was mixture of two U21 All Ireland winning teams.
No offence to Donegal, But both teams in that semi final were really really awful. As far as i remember Donegal had 18 wides. Tommy Carr and a few of his team mates from Dublin went to the game together and leaving they said to each other they'd beat the pick of both teams. How Donegal got it together for the final is one of the great achievements in Gaelic football!
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 03, 2013, 06:32:58 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 03, 2013, 05:39:25 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 03, 2013, 03:30:56 PM
I've done a top ten (in order) of the worst losses in the Championship Mayo have had over 25 years. This years AI final would not even make it anyway near these losses. Some real days of shame!
1 - 2004 AI final Hammering to Kerry
2 - 1993 Semifinal hammering to Cork
3 - 2006 AI final Hammering to Kerry
4 - 1992 semi-final loss to Donegal
5 - 1994 Connacht final loss to Leitrim
6 - 1995 Connacht final Hammering to Galway
7 - 2001 loss to Westmeath
8 - 2007 Hammering to Derry
9 - 2012 Loss to Longford
10- 2002 loss to Fermanagh
Why is that on the list? Donegal went on to win the All Ireland and their side was mixture of two U21 All Ireland winning teams.
No offence to Donegal, But both teams in that semi final were really really awful. As far as i remember Donegal had 18 wides. Tommy Carr and a few of his team mates from Dublin went to the game together and leaving they said to each other they'd beat the pick of both teams. How Donegal got it together for the final is one of the great achievements in Gaelic football!
One bad performance didn't make Donegal bad over night. Ulster was very strong back then, the 1991,1993,1994 All Ireland winners were also from Ulster and Peter Canavan almost bet Dublin on his own in 1995.
The loss to Cork in 99 should be (high) up that list
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 03, 2013, 06:42:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 03, 2013, 06:32:58 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 03, 2013, 05:39:25 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 03, 2013, 03:30:56 PM
I've done a top ten (in order) of the worst losses in the Championship Mayo have had over 25 years. This years AI final would not even make it anyway near these losses. Some real days of shame!
1 - 2004 AI final Hammering to Kerry
2 - 1993 Semifinal hammering to Cork
3 - 2006 AI final Hammering to Kerry
4 - 1992 semi-final loss to Donegal
5 - 1994 Connacht final loss to Leitrim
6 - 1995 Connacht final Hammering to Galway
7 - 2001 loss to Westmeath
8 - 2007 Hammering to Derry
9 - 2012 Loss to Longford
10- 2002 loss to Fermanagh
Why is that on the list? Donegal went on to win the All Ireland and their side was mixture of two U21 All Ireland winning teams.
No offence to Donegal, But both teams in that semi final were really really awful. As far as i remember Donegal had 18 wides. Tommy Carr and a few of his team mates from Dublin went to the game together and leaving they said to each other they'd beat the pick of both teams. How Donegal got it together for the final is one of the great achievements in Gaelic football!
One bad performance didn't make Donegal bad over night. Ulster was very strong back then, the 1991,1993,1994 All Ireland winners were also from Ulster and Peter Canavan almost bet Dublin on his own in 1995.
This is not about Donegal. They beat us. It is about how we seriously under performed against a out of sorts Donegal side!
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 03, 2013, 07:53:19 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 03, 2013, 06:42:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 03, 2013, 06:32:58 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 03, 2013, 05:39:25 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 03, 2013, 03:30:56 PM
I've done a top ten (in order) of the worst losses in the Championship Mayo have had over 25 years. This years AI final would not even make it anyway near these losses. Some real days of shame!
1 - 2004 AI final Hammering to Kerry
2 - 1993 Semifinal hammering to Cork
3 - 2006 AI final Hammering to Kerry
4 - 1992 semi-final loss to Donegal
5 - 1994 Connacht final loss to Leitrim
6 - 1995 Connacht final Hammering to Galway
7 - 2001 loss to Westmeath
8 - 2007 Hammering to Derry
9 - 2012 Loss to Longford
10- 2002 loss to Fermanagh
Why is that on the list? Donegal went on to win the All Ireland and their side was mixture of two U21 All Ireland winning teams.
No offence to Donegal, But both teams in that semi final were really really awful. As far as i remember Donegal had 18 wides. Tommy Carr and a few of his team mates from Dublin went to the game together and leaving they said to each other they'd beat the pick of both teams. How Donegal got it together for the final is one of the great achievements in Gaelic football!
One bad performance didn't make Donegal bad over night. Ulster was very strong back then, the 1991,1993,1994 All Ireland winners were also from Ulster and Peter Canavan almost bet Dublin on his own in 1995.
This is not about Donegal. They beat us. It is about how we seriously under performed against a out of sorts Donegal side!
As the list states above in the following two years Mayo were hammered by Cork and lost to Leitrim. Did you really under perform or were you just average to poor back then?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on October 03, 2013, 07:23:04 PM
The loss to Cork in 99 should be (high) up that list
Was thinking the same myself.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on October 03, 2013, 07:23:04 PM
The loss to Cork in 99 should be (high) up that list
Yeah. Absolute shite.
Great form in Connacht but as uaual when the tactival bar was raised we were a rabble. Early dominance - Horan s frustration when he made a run and was clear in for a goal chance that player in possession didn t see/ choose to ignore - should have seen us comfortable even after 20 mins. Sound familiar?
You'd have been hammered in the final anyway.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 03, 2013, 11:44:52 PM
You'd have been hammered in the final anyway.
Didn t hammer us even when ye had a bent referee in 96. But some **** would have made sure Meath won.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 03, 2013, 09:07:39 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 03, 2013, 07:53:19 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 03, 2013, 06:42:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 03, 2013, 06:32:58 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 03, 2013, 05:39:25 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 03, 2013, 03:30:56 PM
I've done a top ten (in order) of the worst losses in the Championship Mayo have had over 25 years. This years AI final would not even make it anyway near these losses. Some real days of shame!
1 - 2004 AI final Hammering to Kerry
2 - 1993 Semifinal hammering to Cork
3 - 2006 AI final Hammering to Kerry
4 - 1992 semi-final loss to Donegal
5 - 1994 Connacht final loss to Leitrim
6 - 1995 Connacht final Hammering to Galway
7 - 2001 loss to Westmeath
8 - 2007 Hammering to Derry
9 - 2012 Loss to Longford
10- 2002 loss to Fermanagh
Why is that on the list? Donegal went on to win the All Ireland and their side was mixture of two U21 All Ireland winning teams.
No offence to Donegal, But both teams in that semi final were really really awful. As far as i remember Donegal had 18 wides. Tommy Carr and a few of his team mates from Dublin went to the game together and leaving they said to each other they'd beat the pick of both teams. How Donegal got it together for the final is one of the great achievements in Gaelic football!
One bad performance didn't make Donegal bad over night. Ulster was very strong back then, the 1991,1993,1994 All Ireland winners were also from Ulster and Peter Canavan almost bet Dublin on his own in 1995.
This is not about Donegal. They beat us. It is about how we seriously under performed against a out of sorts Donegal side!
As the list states above in the following two years Mayo were hammered by Cork and lost to Leitrim. Did you really under perform or were you just average to poor back then?
We were just average! That's the point of the list!
http://www.thescore.ie/donegal-mayo-all-ireland-semi-1992-601189-Sep2012/ (http://www.thescore.ie/donegal-mayo-all-ireland-semi-1992-601189-Sep2012/)
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 04, 2013, 12:50:17 AM
We were just average! That's the point of the list!
http://www.thescore.ie/donegal-mayo-all-ireland-semi-1992-601189-Sep2012/ (http://www.thescore.ie/donegal-mayo-all-ireland-semi-1992-601189-Sep2012/)
Yes it was a poor game i remember watching it however if a just average Mayo side can get within four points of a Donegal side that won tough Ulster championship and All Ireland then it can't be one of Mayo worst results in my opinion.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 04, 2013, 01:35:19 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 04, 2013, 12:50:17 AM
We were just average! That's the point of the list!
http://www.thescore.ie/donegal-mayo-all-ireland-semi-1992-601189-Sep2012/ (http://www.thescore.ie/donegal-mayo-all-ireland-semi-1992-601189-Sep2012/)
Yes it was a poor game i remember watching it however if a just average Mayo side can get within four points of a Donegal side that won tough Ulster championship and All Ireland then it can't be one of Mayo worst results in my opinion.
Despite Down's win in 1991, playing the Ulster Champions was still seen at the time as the best route to an AIF for a Connacht team. Considering the Ulster Champions had lost 12 of the previous 14 semi finals, we rightfully were more hopeful than usual. (For balance I will point out that the Connacht Champions had lost 11 of the previous 14).
98 v Galway in Castlebar , I always believe we would of won it that year , Galway got a handy AI in between us winning 3 out of 4 provincial titles.
Quote from: larryin89 on October 04, 2013, 03:23:33 AM
98 v Galway in Castlebar , I always believe we would of won it that year , Galway got a handy AI in between us winning 3 out of 4 provincial titles.
All Irelands are handy to win aren't they?
Have you learned nothing?
Quote from: larryin89 on October 04, 2013, 03:23:33 AM
98 v Galway in Castlebar , I always believe we would of won it that year ,
FFS >:( >:(
Micko Dwyer would win an ai with mayo as would Sean Boylan, Mickey Harte and joe Kernan.
Quote from: muppet on October 04, 2013, 08:53:18 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 04, 2013, 03:23:33 AM
98 v Galway in Castlebar , I always believe we would of won it that year , Galway got a handy AI in between us winning 3 out of 4 provincial titles.
All Irelands are handy to win aren't they?
Have you learned nothing?
Was Derry,Kildare 1998 better or worse than Offaly,Kerry in 1997? no handy All Irelands any Mayo supporter should know that.
I heard this being discussed last week. It's one of those ones that will haunt Mayo men for a while.
Dublin forward Eoghan O'Gara has admitted his surprise that Mayo continued to deploy a marker to follow him during the last quarter of the All-Ireland football final last September, despite the fact that his mobility had completely diminished because of a hamstring injury.
O'Gara tore a hamstring badly just as Bernard Brogan was scoring Dublin's second goal midway through the second half, and with all five substitutes on the field by that stage, O'Gara had to remain in the action.
He withdrew to a deeper position where he was followed by Keith Higgins, who had been deployed to mark him after O'Gara's impressive introduction for Paul Mannion in the first half.
"The guy (Higgins) who's marking me stayed on me, so I was trying to drag him as far away from the play as I could, but I was fairly limited in what I could do," said O'Gara.
"I was (expecting Higgins to push forward), but he didn't. Maybe he thought I was codding him."
Dublin finished the game with just 13 fully operational players on the field because of concussion sustained by Rory O'Carroll and O'Gara's hamstring tear.
O'Gara knew he had no choice but to remain on the field, despite the restrictions he faced.
"I sprinted out for a ball and I felt it pop. I'd done it before, so I knew straight away it was the hamstring," he recalled. "I was hoping it wouldn't be as bad as it was, when I started trying to move again. But then I knew it was gone.
"I thought we had a substitution left, so I gestured to take me off. It's the last thing you want to be doing in an All-Ireland final with 15 minutes to go, asking to come off. But I found out we had no subs, so it was a case of soldier on... I was told to stay on the end line!"
He's saying Higgins is a dolt.
Yet another daft word to try and make the resident Rosie look intelligent .
Could be a bit of irony in this one mind according to google.
Quote from: rrhf on October 04, 2013, 01:19:24 PM
Micko Dwyer would win an ai with mayo as would Sean Boylan, Mickey Harte and joe Kernan.
Football is a lot different now from when any of the guys managed an AI win.
Jez, this thread was re-opened four months later to tell us that? Feck, what stone have you been hiding under?What if Cillian had not dislocated his shoulder, Andy had not done his cruciate the year before, if Cunniffe ad not done his hamstring n the final, if Barry Moran, Jason Doherty and Conroy were not injured for most of the year and 100% match fit, if our goalkeeper Clarke had not done his knee, if Rob Hennelly had not come for the ball for Brogans goal, If Cillian had gone for goal instead of a point with the last kick. What if, what if, what if?
Quote from: Rossfan on October 04, 2013, 10:48:55 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 04, 2013, 03:23:33 AM
98 v Galway in Castlebar , I always believe we would of won it that year ,
FFS >:( >:(
Is this enough to get you angry? Take a tablet kid!
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2014, 03:39:47 PM
Jez, this thread was re-opened four months later to tell us that? Feck, what stone have you been hiding under?What if Cillian had not dislocated his shoulder, Andy had not done his cruciate the year before, if Cunniffe ad not done his hamstring n the final, if Barry Moran, Jason Doherty and Conroy were not injured for most of the year and 100% match fit, if our goalkeeper Clarke had not done his knee, if Rob Hennelly had not come for the ball for Brogans goal, If Cillian had gone for goal instead of a point with the last kick. What if, what if, what if?
And Dillon crocked most of the time as well and unable to train properly.
So what if, with all these fitness concerns among the forwards, the manager had not decided to cut the in-form forward from the panel.
The more I see of Mayo football the more I think we want to keep losing finals, such are the decisions we have made over the year.
And Dillon crocked most of the time as well and unable to train properly.
So what if, with all these fitness concerns among the forwards, the manager had not decided to cut the in-form forward from the panel.
The more I see of Mayo football the more I think we want to keep losing finals, such are the decisions we have made over the year.
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Cutting Regan from the panel last Summer was a crazy decision especially considering all the injuries our forwards were carrying and the form Regan was in
And how in the name of God was Higgins left marking a man that couldnt run for nearly 15 minutes? 4 months on and Horans decisions that day still get me angry that game was there for the taking.Anybody that thinks Horan will lead us to the promised land is seriously deluded as soon as we meet a manager with a bit of tactical nous were done.
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 15, 2014, 09:25:47 PM
And how in the name of God was Higgins left marking a man that couldnt run for nearly 15 minutes? 4 months on and Horans decisions that day still get me angry that game was there for the taking.Anybody that thinks Horan will lead us to the promised land is seriously deluded as soon as we meet a manager with a bit of tactical nous were done.
Turn the page Dan
Quote from: sans pessimism on January 15, 2014, 10:21:32 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 15, 2014, 09:25:47 PM
And how in the name of God was Higgins left marking a man that couldnt run for nearly 15 minutes? 4 months on and Horans decisions that day still get me angry that game was there for the taking.Anybody that thinks Horan will lead us to the promised land is seriously deluded as soon as we meet a manager with a bit of tactical nous were done.
Turn the page Dan
Dan has a point. But it s not just about Horan. It's endemic/institutionalised for so long now it is hard to see a way out. We make terrible decisions, as a matter of course.
I honestly think we have the best players for 2014 about. Easily the best panel availably ever in my time in Mayo. Really, and I dont say that lightly. But do I think we will win it?
Nah.
That's the thing Moysider and I understand you're being a bit sarcy but when you take a look at the players we have , it is a magnificent panel of players a team that is on paper going to find itself in croker august weekend maybe without even having to show it's hand.
Sometimes we tend to forget as supporters but we are in a great era and should keep enjoying it while it lasts. We so desperately want to win that big cup of course and I believe we will soon enough, 1-3years left yet as a lifespan of this era , then we will have to build again with or without a Sam to our name is the question that will be answered in time.
Quote from: moysider on January 15, 2014, 11:55:12 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on January 15, 2014, 10:21:32 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 15, 2014, 09:25:47 PM
And how in the name of God was Higgins left marking a man that couldnt run for nearly 15 minutes? 4 months on and Horans decisions that day still get me angry that game was there for the taking.Anybody that thinks Horan will lead us to the promised land is seriously deluded as soon as we meet a manager with a bit of tactical nous were done.
Turn the page Dan
Dan has a point. But it s not just about Horan. It's endemic/institutionalised for so long now it is hard to see a way out. We make terrible decisions, as a matter of course.
I honestly think we have the best players for 2014 about. Easily the best panel availably ever in my time in Mayo. Really, and I dont say that lightly. But do I think we will win it?
Nah.
We're singing from the same hymn sheet here, I'm afraid.
I've never seen a better Mayo panel either and I can go back to the days of John Morley and Jinking Joe.
Some mighty fine individual players alright but no side had the same spread of quality players as the present one. Horan and his side never put a foot wrong in the championships over the last two years until they reached the ultimate stage and I'm afraid we all know that their sure touch deserted them on each occasion.
Horan wasn't the only one at fault; a lot of very experienced players showed a lack of tactical awareness.
2012 wasn't too bad as I felt the loss of Andy Moran w going to cost us dearly so I was prepared for the worst but this year was something else.
It's hard to credit that not a single Mayo player or anyone on the sideline ever copped on that O'Gara was crocked and was just a passenger for the last quarter.
From beginning to end, Cluxton was able to direct his kickouts to an unmarked man.
I accept that we were hard hit by injuries but Dublin were carrying two passengers for the last 15 minutes or so and we still couldn't bate 'em.
I don't know what this year will bring but I'm more afraid than hopeful to put it mildly.