Poll
Question:
Who will win on Saturday?
Option 1: Cavan
votes: 25
Option 2: London
votes: 16
Great news that the game is going to be played in Croke Park, a very real chance for Cavan to get two games in Croker this year. Is there any chance that London could pull out a huge shock? We do have an agent in their ranks, are we allowed ask for him back?
Some craic if Mulvey scores the winning goal for London Town!
No giving away Free's with Mulvey about:) They are fairly limited bar Mulvey. Mark Gottschse would have been a key player for them, got injured in the first game against Leitrim and has been out since.
Big pitch like Croke Park will suit Cavan as its a young team and they will have superior fitness to London.
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 22, 2013, 09:19:50 PM
No giving away Free's with Mulvey about:) They are fairly limited bar Mulvey. Mark Gottschse would have been a key player for them, got injured in the first game against Leitrim and has been out since.
Big pitch like Croke Park will suit Cavan as its a young team and they will have superior fitness to London.
McCallion, Dunleavy, Hannon and Geraghty are all good footballers too. If London take this seriously this will be no walk-over. London need to build towards being consistently competitive next year and that journey starts on Saturday.
Quote from: Syferus on July 22, 2013, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 22, 2013, 09:19:50 PM
No giving away Free's with Mulvey about:) They are fairly limited bar Mulvey. Mark Gottschse would have been a key player for them, got injured in the first game against Leitrim and has been out since.
Big pitch like Croke Park will suit Cavan as its a young team and they will have superior fitness to London.
McCallion, Dunleavy, Hannon and Geraghty are all good footballers too. If London take this seriously this will be no walk-over. London need to build towards being consistently competitive next year and that journey starts on Saturday.
Did they not take the Connacht final serious? It's hard for them to focus on the following year as they won't know who will be there year by year. Even from last years panel a few of the key players returned to Ireland. The 2011 side that drew with Mayo is very different to this panel.
Would have to fear for London in this tie, you need more than six days to recover from hammering. At least London will get a run out in Croke park.
Its a very good chance for cavan to blood some of those younger lads on the bench and who came on against team, championship game time is important, it nay lead to a tighter game but cavan will win regardless, it be more important to see how much their back up players are up to it!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 22, 2013, 10:04:57 PM
Its a very good chance for cavan to blood some of those younger lads on the bench and who came on against team, championship game time is important, it nay lead to a tighter game but cavan will win regardless, it be more important to see how much their back up players are up to it!!
Been thinking about this a bit myself and I reckon Terry will name as close to his strongest line up as is possible. Anything else would be seen to be taking London for granted and would lead to absolutely colossal fallout if London were to pull off a major upset. We had such a situation in the final league match a few years ago when the programme notes complimented Cavan on promotion to Division 2 a tad prematurely.
Having said that, I agree with your comment about a few possible changes if only because after five hard games there have to be lads carrying knocks, suffering a bit of fatigue. Think Terry will keep the changes to a minimum.
Cavan will start the strongest possible team Id imagine,No pressure on London as Cavan are favourites for once. Its great for both team to be playing in Croke Park this time of the year, Cavan are making progress and will hopefully be back lots more in future year's.
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 22, 2013, 09:40:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 22, 2013, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 22, 2013, 09:19:50 PM
No giving away Free's with Mulvey about:) They are fairly limited bar Mulvey. Mark Gottschse would have been a key player for them, got injured in the first game against Leitrim and has been out since.
Big pitch like Croke Park will suit Cavan as its a young team and they will have superior fitness to London.
McCallion, Dunleavy, Hannon and Geraghty are all good footballers too. If London take this seriously this will be no walk-over. London need to build towards being consistently competitive next year and that journey starts on Saturday.
Did they not take the Connacht final serious? It's hard for them to focus on the following year as they won't know who will be there year by year. Even from last years panel a few of the key players returned to Ireland. The 2011 side that drew with Mayo is very different to this panel.
It's incredibly easy for teams to lose in the provincial championship and not come back hungry for the Qualifiers. Add in a six-day turnaround and London have to decide if they want to be Sligo'd or not. I'd hope knowing deep down they weren't going to win the Connacht final means they're fully focused on Saturday.
Quote from: bottom brick on July 22, 2013, 09:07:22 PM
Great news that the game is going to be played in Croke Park, a very real chance for Cavan to get two games in Croker this year. Is there any chance that London could pull out a huge shock? We do have an agent in their ranks, are we allowed ask for him back?
No would be my answer to the bit in bold.
We have to be as solid and hard working as we have been thus far, nothing less will do. I'm not particularly bothered about the performance, an inch or a mile, we just need to get over the line. It's good for both teams that it's in Croker especially as that won't be another variable going into the AIQF, lads will have popped their Croker cherries.
The simple truth of it is that if you can't beat London to get into an All Ireland Quarter Final then you don't deserve to get there. Terry isn't fool enough to put out a load of young lads and risk underestimating London but might get away with one or two "forced" changes.
Cavan to win as Mayo did, see Paddy Power odds below.
QuoteCAVAN V LONDON Saturday 27th July 2013, 15:00
Match Betting Hide
Cavan 1/33
Draw 20/1
London 12/1 Top
Handicap Betting Hide
Cavan (-11.0) 10/11
Handicap Draw (-11.0) 11/1
London (+11.0) evens
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfK-WX2pa8c
It would be a huge shock if London were to win this and that is why Cavan are priced at 1/33. However, stranger things have happened so it is critical that the team approach the game just as they have done before with the same meticulous assessment of their opponents and organising the correct match ups on the field. London are here on merit and will be hurting from the loss to Mayo and will want to do well on the big stage that is Croke park. I listened to a few of the interviews with Mackey, Argue & Hyland after the Derry match. None made the assumption we would be playing London and this was impressive and level headed considering they had just come from the dressing room after a great win. I don't think these lads will make the mistake of being laid back and they will drive at London from the start. We have done well this year but we have not earned the right to look down our noses at anyone, but for some big luck last year we could be playing in Div 4 this year ourselves. With the assumption that we will be focused and up for it, I expect Cavan to prevail by 6 points and I couldn't care less if it was 1 point as long as we win.
Would agree that people shouldn't look down on London. They deserved to beat Sligo in Ruislip - but Sligo were all over the Shop, and some players didn't like playing for Walsh. Beat Leitrim after a replay, almost threw away a 15pt lead in the replay. Leitrim dropped 4 key players before the London games, and it probably cost them, as well as losing Emlyn Mulligan.
The reality is they lost 6 out of 7 games this year in Division 4 and Cavan should be winning by 6pts minimum.
Rodney. Cavan just beat a Div 1 team so you have to be careful reading too much into what league teams are in. Saying that Cavan on recent form look 10pts better than London.
Just hope ref keeps a tight rein
on the OTT tackles from London
-unlike the Cork sham last Sunday
at the home of Connacht football
Quote from: sans pessimism on July 23, 2013, 11:25:20 PM
Just hope ref keeps a tight rein
on the OTT tackles from London
-unlike the Cork sham last Sunday
at the home of Connacht football
Yeah, Cavans biggest worry is getting out of the tie without an injury or being dragged into a Straight Red Card situation. If London are getting hammered they may resort to the bully boy tactics like they did the last day v Mayo. Referee turned a serious blind eye to what was going on. Allot of the final scores for London came from Mayo players deciding to just keep at arms length from their recklessness. You will notice there was no shaking hands among the players on the final whistle.
Up until last Sunday, I would have been shouting for the Exiles who ever they played. But after their poor gamesmanship on Sunday I hope Cavan give them a right hammering.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 23, 2013, 11:58:01 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on July 23, 2013, 11:25:20 PM
Just hope ref keeps a tight rein
on the OTT tackles from London
-unlike the Cork sham last Sunday
at the home of Connacht football
Yeah, Cavans biggest worry is getting out of the tie without an injury or being dragged into a Straight Red Card situation. If London are getting hammered they may resort to the bully boy tactics like they did the last day v Mayo. Referee turned a serious blind eye to what was going on. Allot of the final scores for London came from Mayo players deciding to just keep at arms length from their recklessness. You will notice there was no shaking hands among the players on the final whistle.
Up until last Sunday, I would have been shouting for the Exiles who ever they played. But after their poor gamesmanship on Sunday I hope Cavan give them a right hammering.
I thought the same about the last day. I thought Mayo let London in easy a few times rather than getting a lad seriously injured. London were trying to match Mayo's intensity, but they confused intensity with Junior football lamp a lad to the ground carry on.
Quote from: Itchy on July 23, 2013, 10:29:12 PM
Rodney. Cavan just beat a Div 1 team so you have to be careful reading too much into what league teams are in. Saying that Cavan on recent form look 10pts better than London.
True, but Derry weren't playing Division 1 in 2013. A blatant penalty wasn't given to Eoin Bradley when they were getting on top, but over- all Cavan were the better side and dominated in extra time.
Maybe if Mayo had to kick points instead of scoring all those goals on them the London boys would not have been so upset. Ive been in London,s position and its not a nice feeling. The shooting practice would have been good for them as well
Sod them. Didn't they know full well they'd get a good batin' >:(
If they were any good sure their home Counties would have them on board.
Thankfully the Meath lads won't be lining the road in Kells to peg stones at the returning Cavan hoards on Sunday evening.
I expect Cavan to walk this one and then give it loads in the AIQ to whoever. Knowing their luck it will be another battle with Monaghan.
Is the game on TV
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 23, 2013, 11:58:01 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on July 23, 2013, 11:25:20 PM
Just hope ref keeps a tight rein
on the OTT tackles from London
-unlike the Cork sham last Sunday
at the home of Connacht football
Yeah, Cavans biggest worry is getting out of the tie without an injury or being dragged into a Straight Red Card situation. If London are getting hammered they may resort to the bully boy tactics like they did the last day v Mayo. Referee turned a serious blind eye to what was going on. Allot of the final scores for London came from Mayo players deciding to just keep at arms length from their recklessness. You will notice there was no shaking hands among the players on the final whistle.
Up until last Sunday, I would have been shouting for the Exiles who ever they played. But after their poor gamesmanship on Sunday I hope Cavan give them a right hammering.
So when a Mayoman gives you a belt it's intensity, when it's London it's dirt? Mayo team are no angels and London got sweet FA off the ref while there was any chance of a contest (not long I'll grant you).
As for you Rossfan, if your boys were any good they wouldn't have got the hammering they did either. Stick to the Pool.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 23, 2013, 11:58:01 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on July 23, 2013, 11:25:20 PM
Just hope ref keeps a tight rein
on the OTT tackles from London
-unlike the Cork sham last Sunday
at the home of Connacht football
Yeah, Cavans biggest worry is getting out of the tie without an injury or being dragged into a Straight Red Card situation. If London are getting hammered they may resort to the bully boy tactics like they did the last day v Mayo. Referee turned a serious blind eye to what was going on. Allot of the final scores for London came from Mayo players deciding to just keep at arms length from their recklessness. You will notice there was no shaking hands among the players on the final whistle.
Up until last Sunday, I would have been shouting for the Exiles who ever they played. But after their poor gamesmanship on Sunday I hope Cavan give them a right hammering.
Arrah stawp that.
I've watched London in person three times this year and they're hardly a dirty team, if anything I've found them too naive when it comes to using their physicality. Maybe they lost their heads a wee bit at the end of the Connacht final but how many teams suffering a hammering did likewise? Even in this year's Connacht championship Mayo experienced it in the Galway game too. Only Roscommon had the class to take their beating like men.
Oh, and Mayo can be a bunch of tough buggers too. Besides Donegal few teams are closer to borderline nasty play than Mayo. And that's a good thing for Mayo. The point being the Connacht final wasn't lambs versus beasts, that's for sure.
Quote from: Syferus on July 24, 2013, 05:51:29 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 23, 2013, 11:58:01 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on July 23, 2013, 11:25:20 PM
Just hope ref keeps a tight rein
on the OTT tackles from London
-unlike the Cork sham last Sunday
at the home of Connacht football
Yeah, Cavans biggest worry is getting out of the tie without an injury or being dragged into a Straight Red Card situation. If London are getting hammered they may resort to the bully boy tactics like they did the last day v Mayo. Referee turned a serious blind eye to what was going on. Allot of the final scores for London came from Mayo players deciding to just keep at arms length from their recklessness. You will notice there was no shaking hands among the players on the final whistle.
Up until last Sunday, I would have been shouting for the Exiles who ever they played. But after their poor gamesmanship on Sunday I hope Cavan give them a right hammering.
Arrah stawp that.
I've watched London in person three times this year and they're hardly a dirty team, if anything I've found them too naive when it comes to using their physicality. Maybe they lost their heads a wee bit at the end of the Connacht final but how many teams suffering a hammering did likewise? Even in this year's Connacht championship Mayo experienced it in the Galway game too. Only Roscommon had the class to take their beating like men.
Oh, and Mayo can be a bunch of tough buggers too. Besides Donegal few teams are closer to borderline nasty play than Mayo. And that's a good thing for Mayo. The point being the Connacht final wasn't lambs versus beasts, that's for sure.
Oh don't get me wrong. Mayo are no angels. That's for sure! But there was no discipline in London for the last 15 minutes. They are hefty lads and some of the late tackles and careless swings towards to end could have done damage. Referee seem intent on ending the game with a full compliment and the more London realised this the more they upped their game. Anyway, nothing serious happened. ???
Quote from: Rossfan on July 24, 2013, 02:59:18 PM
Sod them. Didn't they know full well they'd get a good batin' >:(
If they were any good sure their home Counties would have them on board.
One of the dumbest posts ever
Quote from: bottom brick on July 24, 2013, 07:03:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 24, 2013, 02:59:18 PM
Sod them. Didn't they know full well they'd get a good batin' >:(
If they were any good sure their home Counties would have them on board.
One of the dumbest posts ever
But my post is 100% correct. ;)
It's on a Sky pay channel
Happy Days. We are getting the3 games over here on West Coast U.S. and the two hurling games on Sunday. Best couple of hundred I ever spent.
Quote from: gortnaleck on July 25, 2013, 02:16:38 PM
Happy Days. We are getting the3 games over here on West Coast U.S. and the two hurling games on Sunday. Best couple of hundred I ever spent.
What is link for that site
Eh? The Triple bill is being covered live somewhere? How? Are they getting the RTE feeds that they use to make the highlights packages from?
Scandalous if that's available outside Ireland but there's a black-out the one place where it would be used the most.
http://www.premiersports.tv/top/gaa/gaa/live-fixtures-gaa/
Quote from: ONeill on July 25, 2013, 04:53:40 PM
http://www.premiersports.tv/top/gaa/gaa/live-fixtures-gaa/
Who does the english commentary on TG4 feed matches?
I'm right in assuming London-Cavan and Cork-Galway won't be available on RTE.ie or the like for people in Ireland without paying a small fortune for that company's service? Really stupid stuff going on, they (RTE) are using our license fees to pay for the rights to record GAA matches and only allowing pay channels to show them live.
Yet another example why the GAA deciding to take games
off television was so ass-backwards that it's nearly incomprehensible.
I'm not sure why people are slagging RTÉ. The GAA don't want RTÉ showing these games, as it interferes will club games and the like. I imagine RTÉ provide the cameras and sell the feed to Premier, so no taxpayers money is wasted.
Quote from: Syferus on July 25, 2013, 04:14:04 PM
Eh? The Triple bill is being covered live somewhere? How? Are they getting the RTE feeds that they use to make the highlights packages from?
Scandalous if that's available outside Ireland but there's a black-out the one place where it would be used the most.
I suppose its like living on the Island of Ireland and needing a proxy ip adresss to watch RTE?
Quote from: Denn Forever on July 25, 2013, 05:47:57 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 25, 2013, 04:14:04 PM
Eh? The Triple bill is being covered live somewhere? How? Are they getting the RTE feeds that they use to make the highlights packages from?
Scandalous if that's available outside Ireland but there's a black-out the one place where it would be used the most.
I suppose its like living on the Island of Ireland and needing a proxy ip adresss to watch RTE?
Anyone in Ireland that really wants to see Cavan/London and Galway/Cork will be in Croke Park.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 25, 2013, 05:40:40 PM
I'm not sure why people are slagging RTÉ. The GAA don't want RTÉ showing these games, as it interferes will club games and the like. I imagine RTÉ provide the cameras and sell the feed to Premier, so no taxpayers money is wasted.
RTE have the rights to a highlights package of all those games. They get Marty or whoever to sit there for two hours and then use three minutes of the commentary. All that costs money, money that the tax payer is funding in the main. To not be providing that feed to the same tax payers footing the bill seems a dereliction of their duty as a public service broadcaster. That the feeds are available on a pay channel charging exorbitant fees and mainly servicing the outside Ireland market just makes it all the more galling.
It's all caused by the GAA's 1950's stance against having more televised games. The fact is live GAA is no where to be seen on the major station betweens late September and late May every year so you damn well better wring the most minutes you can from your only shop-window in the year.
If the GAA thinks not showing Galway-Cork on television or online is going to get anyone to go to a club game instead they're having an almighty laugh at our expense.
Cavan will bring a huge crowd, not as if we there every summer. First Championship game in Croker Since 97, played a League Semi against Ross in 07 there. The U-21 final on 2011 brought over 20,000 Cavan fans.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 25, 2013, 05:40:40 PM
I'm not sure why people are slagging RTÉ. The GAA don't want RTÉ showing these games, as it interferes will club games and the like. I imagine RTÉ provide the cameras and sell the feed to Premier, so no taxpayers money is wasted.
Don't be trying to bring sense into a good old whinge.
I expect a very big Cavan crowd but a lot of people are being optimistic and waiting until the Quarter Finals. The U21 Final 2011 was over after about 20 minutes so the support never had much to get behind barring a bit of a flourish in the second half. Hopefully Saturday will be different. Really looking forward to it.
Quote from: muppet on July 25, 2013, 06:01:12 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 25, 2013, 05:40:40 PM
I'm not sure why people are slagging RTÉ. The GAA don't want RTÉ showing these games, as it interferes will club games and the like. I imagine RTÉ provide the cameras and sell the feed to Premier, so no taxpayers money is wasted.
Don't be trying to bring sense into a good old whinge.
There's absolutely no sense in that.
I put a few quid on Cavan, poor odds, but safe enough. Cavan will be well ahead at half time. London may have the wind in the second half, but against a well organised Cavan blanket defence they'll not get that much and if they push up Cavan will punish them on the break. London haven't the fitness to battle to the end, Cavan do.
6-2 one Cavan goal could open the flood gates.
Goal for London! Paul Geraghty from Glenamaddy. Hon the exiles ;)
Goal for London (1-02), Cavan 0-06.
1-02 to 0-07. 21 mins played.
another stream here :
http://tykestv.eu/streams/tykesx/tykes-12/
1-03 to 0-07. Cavan getting a bit careless..
Level now. And Cyavin with the wind
Goal was against the run of play, Cavan wasteful so far.
London have their noses in front.. Oh wait, it's all square..
0-9 to 1-6 at Half time.
Cavan give away a handy goal to London. If they were playing an Irish team they'd give you nothing.
Cavan making hard work of this! Well done to London for sticking with it after a bad first 10 minutes.
Piss poor casual crap from us. Mackey, Givney and k Clarke want a kick up the hole at half time.
decent game.Cavan have lost there composure and only for the corner back popping over 2 points would be behind.Interesting 2ind half ahead but I would expect Cavan to be able to pull away .
u must be brutal the day compared to the team played Derry last week
Or London are better than Derry?
any sign of mr grimley is this plan a or b maybe hes taking notes ::)
Oh My GOD what a fckign miss!!
15mins to go, 2pts in it, sitter missed there, Cavan no where good as we thought, could get an eye opener next day out!mayo beat this team in 3rd gear by 15pts and missed a bagful!
Miss of the season :o
Quote from: ross4life on July 27, 2013, 04:17:24 PM
Miss of the season :o
I can't remember a worse miss.
Ronnie rosenthal all them yrs ago lol
Cavan running out comfortable winners with a big swing in last few mins with the two goal chances. Don't think any of the provincial winners will be cursing their luck if they get Cavan in the draw this evening!
Quote from: Tubberman on July 27, 2013, 04:31:22 PM
Cavan running out comfortable winners with a big swing in last few mins with the two goal chances. Don't think any of the provincial winners will be cursing their luck if they get Cavan in the draw this evening!
Cavan will be hoping for Monaghan, then Mayo. If Dublin or Kerry get Cavan, it could be a blood-bath.
Mayo 16 scores v London 10 scores, Cavan did better today :P
Seriously though last weekends extra time took plenty out of Cavan & next weekend they have to go at it again v a rested side.
What was the final score.?
Some lads need to get a grip, this was Cavan's first win in Croke Park for 61 years, no pressure lads! It was poor stuff from Cavan at times but they were nervous and definitely a bit naive. They tried too hard to get a goal when a point would've been far handier. We still won it well and the result was never in doubt. Great to see the subs doing well, McVeety was involved in everything when he came on
We were awful for about 50 minutes, so many basic errors. Keating's miss was the worst miss I have ever seen in any game I've ever been to, absolutely astonishing that he could miss from there. Mackey didn't look interested, looked lethargic and worn out. Corr showed good leadership to kick two points when we were under pressure before half time. McVeety was excellent when he came on and McDermott was very good too, in fairness to Mackey he took the finger out for the final push and did well. Killian Clarke was man of the match for me, for a lad that's had a long year he looked really up for the fight and saved our skins a number of times. O'Meara was excellent to and made a save towards the end that was very important in staving off a nervous finish.
If we get Dublin I think it will be an absolute blood bath. Any of the rest would hammer us too based on this showing. Big improvement needed. But please, not Dublin in the draw.
I didn't see the game but I'd say Cavan perhaps don't carry the favourite tag too well (Derry don't anyway). It will suit them going in as major underdogs against Kerry and I think they'll give a good account of themselves.
Nah. More to do with London who have come a tidy little outfit. Fitness needs to be worked on as it seems these lads only have 40 minutes in the tank at championship intensity and that'll cost you in most games.
London have the talent to be a D3 team, but not the conditioning.
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2013, 10:48:32 PM
Nah. More to do with London who have come a tidy little outfit. Fitness needs to be worked on as it seems these lads only have 40 minutes in the tank at championship intensity and that'll cost you in most games.
London have the talent to be a D3 team, but not the conditioning.
Based on what though? They have lost 6 out of 7 Division 4 games this year and beat Sligo and Leitrim, both division 4. I'd like to see London doing well and they have certainly improved, but dont be losing the run of yourself lad.
Quote from: bottom brick on July 28, 2013, 10:46:42 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2013, 10:48:32 PM
Nah. More to do with London who have come a tidy little outfit. Fitness needs to be worked on as it seems these lads only have 40 minutes in the tank at championship intensity and that'll cost you in most games.
London have the talent to be a D3 team, but not the conditioning.
Based on what though? They have lost 6 out of 7 Division 4 games this year and beat Sligo and Leitrim, both division 4. I'd like to see London doing well and they have certainly improved, but dont be losing the run of yourself lad.
For the first 40 minutes of four championship games this year, Antrim and Leitrim last year, Mayo and Fermanagh (a win) the year before, London have an established track-record of being more than just competitive with teams above them in the league, but actually better than them. The problem is they are not in the sort of condition that they need to be in to last even 55-65 minutes.
Coggins always has to start throwing subs on either in the first half or early second half to try and counter-act that fact.
If London were even at the fitness levels of Cavan they'd beat most of D4 next year.
Quote from: bottom brick on July 28, 2013, 10:46:42 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2013, 10:48:32 PM
Nah. More to do with London who have come a tidy little outfit. Fitness needs to be worked on as it seems these lads only have 40 minutes in the tank at championship intensity and that'll cost you in most games.
London have the talent to be a D3 team, but not the conditioning.
Based on what though? They have lost 6 out of 7 Division 4 games this year and beat Sligo and Leitrim, both division 4. I'd like to see London doing well and they have certainly improved, but dont be losing the run of yourself lad.
Sligo would be Divison 3.
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Sligo would be Divison 3.
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My mistake, thought they were relegated for some reason.
Survived in the final round of the League. Wicklow and Antrim went down.
Quote from: Syferus on July 28, 2013, 10:58:42 AM
Quote from: bottom brick on July 28, 2013, 10:46:42 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2013, 10:48:32 PM
Nah. More to do with London who have come a tidy little outfit. Fitness needs to be worked on as it seems these lads only have 40 minutes in the tank at championship intensity and that'll cost you in most games.
London have the talent to be a D3 team, but not the conditioning.
Based on what though? They have lost 6 out of 7 Division 4 games this year and beat Sligo and Leitrim, both division 4. I'd like to see London doing well and they have certainly improved, but dont be losing the run of yourself lad.
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For the first 40 minutes of four championship games this year, Antrim and Leitrim last year, Mayo and Fermanagh (a win) the year before, London have an established track-record of being more than just competitive with teams above them in the league, but actually better than them. The problem is they are not in the sort of condition that they need to be in to last even 55-65 minutes.
Coggins always has to start throwing subs on either in the first half or early second half to try and counter-act that fact.
If London were even at the fitness levels of Cavan they'd beat most of D4 next year.
But they are not at the fitness levels of Cavan, same as Cavan are not at the fitness levels of Donegal. Do you think Carlow or Waterford footballers are significantly fitter than London? My point is that London have come on leaps and bounds in the last few years, but not to the point that they could survive division 3. You cant say if this, if that.
Quote from: bottom brick on July 28, 2013, 05:30:26 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 28, 2013, 10:58:42 AM
Quote from: bottom brick on July 28, 2013, 10:46:42 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2013, 10:48:32 PM
Nah. More to do with London who have come a tidy little outfit. Fitness needs to be worked on as it seems these lads only have 40 minutes in the tank at championship intensity and that'll cost you in most games.
London have the talent to be a D3 team, but not the conditioning.
Based on what though? They have lost 6 out of 7 Division 4 games this year and beat Sligo and Leitrim, both division 4. I'd like to see London doing well and they have certainly improved, but dont be losing the run of yourself lad.
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For the first 40 minutes of four championship games this year, Antrim and Leitrim last year, Mayo and Fermanagh (a win) the year before, London have an established track-record of being more than just competitive with teams above them in the league, but actually better than them. The problem is they are not in the sort of condition that they need to be in to last even 55-65 minutes.
Coggins always has to start throwing subs on either in the first half or early second half to try and counter-act that fact.
If London were even at the fitness levels of Cavan they'd beat most of D4 next year.
But they are not at the fitness levels of Cavan, same as Cavan are not at the fitness levels of Donegal. Do you think Carlow or Waterford footballers are significantly fitter than London? My point is that London have come on leaps and bounds in the last few years, but not to the point that they could survive division 3. You cant say if this, if that.
It's much easier to be at the fitness level of a D3 team than it is to be at that of the All-Irelamd champions. It's a very attainable goal for London and given few of the panel are likely to return home in the short term building on this year is a very real possibility for Coggins and company.
I never said they wouldn't be relegated from D3, just that they could realistically target promotion from D4. Those two things are different standards. Getting experience of D3 would do them the world of good, even if they had to plot D4 promotion again the next season.
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Nah. More to do with London who have come a tidy little outfit. Fitness needs to be worked on as it seems these lads only have 40 minutes in the tank at championship intensity and that'll cost you in most games.
London have the talent to be a D3 team, but not the conditioning.
Based on what though? They have lost 6 out of 7 Division 4 games this year and beat Sligo and Leitrim, both division 4. I'd like to see London doing well and they have certainly improved, but dont be losing the run of yourself lad.
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For the first 40 minutes of four championship games this year, Antrim and Leitrim last year, Mayo and Fermanagh (a win) the year before, London have an established track-record of being more than just competitive with teams above them in the league, but actually better than them. The problem is they are not in the sort of condition that they need to be in to last even 55-65 minutes.
Coggins always has to start throwing subs on either in the first half or early second half to try and counter-act that fact.
If London were even at the fitness levels of Cavan they'd beat most of D4 next year.
But they are not at the fitness levels of Cavan, same as Cavan are not at the fitness levels of Donegal. Do you think Carlow or Waterford footballers are significantly fitter than London? My point is that London have come on leaps and bounds in the last few years, but not to the point that they could survive division 3. You cant say if this, if that.
It's much easier to be at the fitness level of a D3 team than it is to be at that of the All-Irelamd champions. It's a very attainable goal for London and given few of the panel are likely to return home in the short term building on this year is a very real possibility for Coggins and company.
I never said they wouldn't be relegated from D3, just that they could realistically target promotion from D3. Those two things are different standards. Getting experience of D3 would do them the world of good, even if they had to plot D4 promotion again the next season.
Division 3 would be a great experience for London, no doubt. I just cant see them making the improvement needed. It's not like they missed out on promotion by a whisker, if there was a division 5 they'd be in it! There is no reason why London cant get fitter and improve their conditioning, I just think it will take a bit more than that. I hope they prove me wrong as it would be great for the Irish in London to have a good team to get behind
The Gaa are giving them good support anyway. London got a 4 million grant last week to up - grade the facilities at Ruislip.
Mackey has some engine on him. Always had but was one of those boys who if you opened a gate he'd run out it. Really has turned a corner so fair play to him.
While Keating's miss was an absolute stinker he immediately just chased it down without dropping th head. Great example to set.
Doubt cavan will beat kerry but great progress this year and young so more to come i suspect.
Hard to believe antrim beat them in the league!
Yeah, that was the first game of the league, a real set back for promotion.
Mackey was always a quality player, he wasn't even on the panel last year, one of the 6 dropped by Val Andrews, the time Seanie Johnston was let go.
Didn't have his best game yesterday but was still very influential.
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Mackey was always a quality player, he wasn't even on the panel last year, one of the 6 dropped by Val Andrews, the time Seanie Johnston was let go.
Didn't have his best game yesterday but was still very influential.
Interesting that Val Andrews didn't have Mackey on the panel! Jaysus, his performances so far this year merit an All-Star nomination if he puts in a good shift against Kerry.
Mackey's revival of fortunes is likely down to his ability to buy into the new regime's way of doing things, possibly/allegedly/maybe unlike some of the others who didn't make it back on to the panel.
There has to be a reason why very talented footballers were told to leave the Cavan squad and it's not because Val Andrews was mentally deficient or temporarily insane or bizarrely just thought they were all shite.
He has adapted well to the new role he has been given, playing the roving role which Mark McHugh plays for Donegal. Probaly a better footballer then McHugh, He has also bulked up a lot from the year off the panel which has also been beneficial, as he has now power and pace..
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He has adapted well to the new role he has been given, playing the roving role which Mark McHugh plays for Donegal. Probaly a better footballer then McHugh, He has also bulked up a lot from the year off the panel which has also been beneficial, as he has now power and pace..
Woah nelly. Donegal look to be in bits without McHugh. He's probably the best player in the country playing that role.
Mackey reacted well to bring dropped by addressing the reasons that got him dropped. Not everyone did the same.
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He has adapted well to the new role he has been given, playing the roving role which Mark McHugh plays for Donegal. Probaly a better footballer then McHugh, He has also bulked up a lot from the year off the panel which has also been beneficial, as he has now power and pace..
Woah nelly. Donegal look to be in bits without McHugh. He's probably the best player in the country playing that role.
I'm talking about football ability, not playing the role.