Looking forward to this one and our first couple of points having lost narrowly to Wexford and Westmeath.
I hope to travel up - the Mrs and the childer can so some shopping now sterling is toilet paper again.
Perhaps I'll meet Dougal beforehand for a coffee and a chat in some local hostelry.
AFAIK Longford will remain unchanged from the last day but more anon
Yerra, t'will be too easy - will stay at home and do a bit of hoking around the garden instead. It would be cruel to rub Crossbar's and Rufus's noses in it.
Yes SS, you're very welcome to both points in the Athletic Grounds. And while you're at it, do you want to spend some time with my wife too?
Longford have to pick up points against the weaker teams in the division. ;)
Debatign as to whether to join the Longfordian contingent and travel up from the big smoke...never been to the whatever its called Athletic Grounds either!
QuoteDebatign as to whether to join the Longfordian contingent and travel up from the big smoke...never been to the whatever its called Athletic Grounds either!
We used to be ashamed of the Athletic Grounds, while reckoning the team was first rate. Nowadays....
The home made vegetable soup from the refreshments kiosk is nice on a frosty night. The coffee is crap.
I assume my 'Blue and Gold' fleg won't cause non-GAA folk in Armagh any problems.
What's the admission into the match in local currency and its equivalent in Euro?
Where's the nearest Sainsburys?
Any chance of free Ard-Comhairle tickets Dougal?
QuoteWhere's the nearest Sainsburys?
I often go there myself.
https://maps.google.ie/maps?saddr=54.347521,-6.652363&daddr=Dalton+Park&hl=en&ll=54.345413,-6.655462&spn=0.005397,0.012445&sll=54.345282,-6.654432&sspn=0.005397,0.012445&geocode=FQFHPQMdNX6a_w%3BFTc4PQMdyFya_w&dirflg=w&mra=ltm&t=m&z=17
you can't get coffee bags like Sainsburys in Stillorgan.
I cannot recall Longford ever playing in Armagh before.Is this a first?
Armagh 2-15 Longford 0-12 01/03/1998
A similar outcome would do this time. If we had a McGeeny, a Marsden and a McConville to revel in space, it probably would end up the same.
Armagh 2-15 Longford 0-12
Armagh's quest for a place in the quarter-finals of the league were enhanced by this handsome victory over a spirited Longford side at the Athletic Grounds The lively Longford side underlined frailties in Armagh's defensive mechanism in the opening stages and these flaws will certainly be more severly punished further down the line. Armagh can, however, take satisfaction from this victory which was never in doubt after they had stifled Longford's initial blitz to go into a 1-7 to 0-4 half-time lead. Cathal O'Rourke's 21st minute goal cushioned Aramgh at a stage when Longford galvanised by Barry, were threatening to unseat their hosts. But when Jarlath Burns touched home Armagh's second goal in the 40th minute after a typical Martin McQuillan solo run, the home team revealed their more expansive skills, with Marsden. NIcGeeney and McConville flourishing in new found space. Longford,despite the efforts of Pauric Farrell and . rden at midfield, were never able to impose themselves on the match, and it was left to Barry and Davis to carry their forward threat, but they lacked support.
Amragh: B Tierney. E McNulty. G Reid. I McEntee. M McQuillan. J McNulty A McCann. J Burns (1-1), P McGrane (0-1); K McGeeney (0-2), J McEntee, 0 McConville (0-3); C O'Rourke (1- 5) N Smyth (0-1), D Marsden (0-2).
Longford: G Conrad C Keogh. G Brady, P McCormack; C Hannily, F McNamee. P J O'Neill. P Farrell. E Bardon (0-1); M Mulleacty, 1 Smrillan. S Donlon (0-2); D Barry (0-5), N Sheridan. P Davis (0-4). Subs: C Conefry for O'Neill. D Blessinglon for Mulleady. Releree P McEneaney (Monaghan).
Geezer at half forward? Strange.
Who's I. McEntee?
QuoteLongford: G Tonra C Keogh. G Brady, P McCormack; C Hannify, F McNamee. P J O'Neill. P Farrell. E Barden (0-1); M Mulleady, T Smullen. S Donlon (0-2); D Barry (0-5), N Sheridan. P Davis (0-4). Subs: C Conefry for O'Neill. D Blessington for Mulleady. Referee P McEneaney (Monaghan).
Fixed that
If i remember right McGeeney was CHF against Tyrone in the championship in 97 in Omagh. He kicked a few bad wides (he wasn't the only one!) but i didn't see him much in the forwards after that!
QuoteWho's I. McEntee?
OCR snafu, should be T McEntee, whoever he was!
Quote from: armaghniac on February 25, 2013, 09:43:01 PM
A similar outcome would do this time. If we had a McGeeny, a Marsden and a McConville to revel in space, it probably would end up the same.
Armagh 2-15 Longford 0-12
Armagh's quest for a place in the quarter-finals of the league were enhanced by this handsome victory over a spirited Longford side at the Athletic Grounds The lively Longford side underlined frailties in Armagh's defensive mechanism in the opening stages and these flaws will certainly be more severly punished further down the line. Armagh can, however, take satisfaction from this victory which was never in doubt after they had stifled Longford's initial blitz to go into a 1-7 to 0-4 half-time lead. Cathal O'Rourke's 21st minute goal cushioned Aramgh at a stage when Longford galvanised by Barry, were threatening to unseat their hosts. But when Jarlath Burns touched home Armagh's second goal in the 40th minute after a typical Martin McQuillan solo run, the home team revealed their more expansive skills, with Marsden. NIcGeeney and McConville flourishing in new found space. Longford,despite the efforts of Pauric Farrell and . rden at midfield, were never able to impose themselves on the match, and it was left to Barry and Davis to carry their forward threat, but they lacked support.
Amragh: B Tierney. E McNulty. G Reid. I McEntee. M McQuillan. J McNulty A McCann. J Burns (1-1), P McGrane (0-1); K McGeeney (0-2), J McEntee, 0 McConville (0-3); C O'Rourke (1- 5) N Smyth (0-1), D Marsden (0-2).
Longford: G Conrad C Keogh. G Brady, P McCormack; C Hannily, F McNamee. P J O'Neill. P Farrell. E Bardon (0-1); M Mulleacty, 1 Smrillan. S Donlon (0-2); D Barry (0-5), N Sheridan. P Davis (0-4). Subs: C Conefry for O'Neill. D Blessinglon for Mulleady. Releree P McEneaney (Monaghan).
That Armagh team would run rings around the current 15.
Don't remember that match at all.
What year was that - 97/98?
Quote from: T Fearon on February 25, 2013, 10:17:16 PM
Don't remember that match at all.
There would have been no free tickets to a game like that so you wouldn't have been at it :P
QuoteDon't remember that match at all.
Hard to remember this I'd say as it was pre 2002 when, we all know, football was invented.
Some improvement needed from Armagh this week or Longford will run away with it. I wonder how many of the Cross lads will get a run out. Hopefully Donaghy will get a start as well
Quote from: armaghniac on February 25, 2013, 09:43:01 PM
A similar outcome would do this time. If we had a McGeeny, a Marsden and a McConville to revel in space, it probably would end up the same.
Armagh 2-15 Longford 0-12
Armagh's quest for a place in the quarter-finals of the league were enhanced by this handsome victory over a spirited Longford side at the Athletic Grounds The lively Longford side underlined frailties in Armagh's defensive mechanism in the opening stages and these flaws will certainly be more severly punished further down the line. Armagh can, however, take satisfaction from this victory which was never in doubt after they had stifled Longford's initial blitz to go into a 1-7 to 0-4 half-time lead. Cathal O'Rourke's 21st minute goal cushioned Aramgh at a stage when Longford galvanised by Barry, were threatening to unseat their hosts. But when Jarlath Burns touched home Armagh's second goal in the 40th minute after a typical Martin McQuillan solo run, the home team revealed their more expansive skills, with Marsden. NIcGeeney and McConville flourishing in new found space. Longford,despite the efforts of Pauric Farrell and . rden at midfield, were never able to impose themselves on the match, and it was left to Barry and Davis to carry their forward threat, but they lacked support.
Amragh: B Tierney. E McNulty. G Reid. I McEntee. M McQuillan. J McNulty A McCann. J Burns (1-1), P McGrane (0-1); K McGeeney (0-2), J McEntee, 0 McConville (0-3); C O'Rourke (1- 5) N Smyth (0-1), D Marsden (0-2).
Longford: G Conrad C Keogh. G Brady, P McCormack; C Hannily, F McNamee. P J O'Neill. P Farrell. E Bardon (0-1); M Mulleacty, 1 Smrillan. S Donlon (0-2); D Barry (0-5), N Sheridan. P Davis (0-4). Subs: C Conefry for O'Neill. D Blessinglon for Mulleady. Releree P McEneaney (Monaghan).
How the buck did Armagh win with
a) Ger Reid at full back
b) Jarlath Burns hitting 1-1
c) McGeeney hitting 0-2
For a few years in the 2000's, when McGeeney scored, we lost. It happened against Donegal in 07, but with time nearly up, I thought maybe the jinx was about to end. Then Kevin Cassidy scored that goal at the death.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 25, 2013, 09:52:36 PM
QuoteLongford: G Tonra C Keogh. G Brady, P McCormack; C Hannify, F McNamee. P J O'Neill. P Farrell. E Barden (0-1); M Mulleady, T Smullen. S Donlon (0-2); D Barry (0-5), N Sheridan. P Davis (0-4). Subs: C Conefry for O'Neill. D Blessington for Mulleady. Referee P McEneaney (Monaghan).
Fixed that
Good man. Reminds me of the time when I was introduced to the floor of a meeting as Conrad Conrad! ::)
Quote from: Billys Boots on February 26, 2013, 04:42:01 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 25, 2013, 09:52:36 PM
QuoteLongford: G Tonra C Keogh. G Brady, P McCormack; C Hannify, F McNamee. P J O'Neill. P Farrell. E Barden (0-1); M Mulleady, T Smullen. S Donlon (0-2); D Barry (0-5), N Sheridan. P Davis (0-4). Subs: C Conefry for O'Neill. D Blessington for Mulleady. Referee P McEneaney (Monaghan).
Fixed that
Good man. Reminds me of the time when I was introduced to the floor of a meeting as Conrad Conrad! ::)
Bit of a Neville Neville job that ;D Are you making the trek up Boots?
Geezer actually lined out in corner forward for a while. we would have had a good laugh just watching him pre-game in the warm-up taking a few shots, because not too many shots were getting over the black spot :D
we still beat the dubs in breffni though, in a league quarter-final i think, during his spell playing as a forward
Quote from: Armamike on February 25, 2013, 09:53:19 PM
If i remember right McGeeney was CHF against Tyrone in the championship in 97 in Omagh. He kicked a few bad wides (he wasn't the only one!) but i didn't see him much in the forwards after that!
McGeeney lined out at midfield alongside burns in Omagh '97. Armagh must have kicked about 20 wides that day with mcconville making his championship debut.
Quote from: theticklemister on February 26, 2013, 02:15:42 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 25, 2013, 09:43:01 PM
A similar outcome would do this time. If we had a McGeeny, a Marsden and a McConville to revel in space, it probably would end up the same.
Armagh 2-15 Longford 0-12
Armagh's quest for a place in the quarter-finals of the league were enhanced by this handsome victory over a spirited Longford side at the Athletic Grounds The lively Longford side underlined frailties in Armagh's defensive mechanism in the opening stages and these flaws will certainly be more severly punished further down the line. Armagh can, however, take satisfaction from this victory which was never in doubt after they had stifled Longford's initial blitz to go into a 1-7 to 0-4 half-time lead. Cathal O'Rourke's 21st minute goal cushioned Aramgh at a stage when Longford galvanised by Barry, were threatening to unseat their hosts. But when Jarlath Burns touched home Armagh's second goal in the 40th minute after a typical Martin McQuillan solo run, the home team revealed their more expansive skills, with Marsden. NIcGeeney and McConville flourishing in new found space. Longford,despite the efforts of Pauric Farrell and . rden at midfield, were never able to impose themselves on the match, and it was left to Barry and Davis to carry their forward threat, but they lacked support.
Amragh: B Tierney. E McNulty. G Reid. I McEntee. M McQuillan. J McNulty A McCann. J Burns (1-1), P McGrane (0-1); K McGeeney (0-2), J McEntee, 0 McConville (0-3); C O'Rourke (1- 5) N Smyth (0-1), D Marsden (0-2).
Longford: G Conrad C Keogh. G Brady, P McCormack; C Hannily, F McNamee. P J O'Neill. P Farrell. E Bardon (0-1); M Mulleacty, 1 Smrillan. S Donlon (0-2); D Barry (0-5), N Sheridan. P Davis (0-4). Subs: C Conefry for O'Neill. D Blessinglon for Mulleady. Releree P McEneaney (Monaghan).
How the buck did Armagh win with
a) Ger Reid at full back
b) Jarlath Burns hitting 1-1
c) McGeeney hitting 0-2
Funny enough armagh managed to win a couple of ulsters (beating derry twice) with reid excellent at fullback. Can't you remember him having muldoon in his pocket?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 26, 2013, 04:45:04 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on February 26, 2013, 04:42:01 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 25, 2013, 09:52:36 PM
QuoteLongford: G Tonra C Keogh. G Brady, P McCormack; C Hannify, F McNamee. P J O'Neill. P Farrell. E Barden (0-1); M Mulleady, T Smullen. S Donlon (0-2); D Barry (0-5), N Sheridan. P Davis (0-4). Subs: C Conefry for O'Neill. D Blessington for Mulleady. Referee P McEneaney (Monaghan).
Fixed that
Good man. Reminds me of the time when I was introduced to the floor of a meeting as Conrad Conrad! ::)
Bit of a Neville Neville job that ;D Are you making the trek up Boots?
Nah, can't do the Saherdah!*
* that would be Saturday for those not from the midlands
Game live on Setanta so you can maybe catch it there Billy....
We had two super corner forwards the last time we played Armagh by the looks of that report!
A kernan, mc cooey, Stephen finnegan, Jamie Clarke, dyas and stefsn Campbell all start
Donaghy is centre half back
Mc evoy
Mc cooey, Donnelly finnegan
Kernan donaghy mc keever
Lavery toner
Dyas Campbell forker
Clarke rafferty Mallon
Gavin mc par land , anto Duffy injured as is Paul mc keown
Hanratty t kernan , harold moriarity loughran and mc kenna are on the bench
You've omitted my club mate Brian Mallon! Good team,half back line should protect full backs.Pity Mc Parland isn't fit!
Quote from: T Fearon on February 28, 2013, 09:39:29 PM
You've omitted my club mate Brian Mallon! Good team,half back line should protect full backs.Pity Mc Parland isn't fit!
McParland is not fit? I just thought he was dropped for only scoring 3 goals last week!
We have overloaded on putting our best players in the half back line. Aaron Kernan and McKeever will presumably be given license to attack since preventing them doing so would negate the best part of their games. Therefore you would have to worry about the full back line receiving adequate protection again. I don't know if Longford are good enough to exploit us but its still a worry. What is wrong with Morgan/McKeown?
Quote from: naka on February 28, 2013, 09:36:04 PM
A kernan, mc cooey, Stephen finnegan, Jamie Clarke, dyas and stefsn Campbell all start
Donaghy is centre half back
Mc evoy
Mc cooey, Donnelly finnegan
Kernan donaghy mc keever
Lavery toner
Dyas Campbell forker
Clarke rafferty Mallon
Gavin mc par land , anto Duffy injured as is Paul mc keown
Hanratty t kernan , harold moriarity loughran and mc kenna are on the bench
A team that should be good enough to beat Longford at home.
Negative stuff first: we're still playing two midfielders in our full back line so that has to be a concern. The other member of the full back line got the run around in a McKenna Cup match. I have grave concerns about our midfield pairing particularly their lack of mobility.
On the bright side the half back line is as strong a line as we have sent out in a competitive match in a long time and I'm really looking forward to seeing how they perform. Paul Grimley is also to be commended for taking the long term view with regard to releasing the under 21 players to allow them to concentrate on the upcoming under 21 match. It's a pity the opposite were true last year, we should have had an extended run in last year's under 21 championship which would have lifted the gloom hanging over Armagh football.
This does leave gaps in our forward line but hopefully those lined out will take their opportunity (particularly Dyas and Stefan Forker). With Jamie Clarke in our FF line our chances of winning increase significantly.
Longford team for tomorrow:
1.DAMIEN SHERIDAN, 2.DERMOT BRADY, 3.BARRY GILLERAN, 4.PETER FOY, 5.MICHAEL QUINN, 6.KEVIN DIFFLEY, 7.SHANE MULLIGAN, 8.JOHN KEEGAN, 9.MICHAEL BRADY, 10.BERNARD McELVANEY, 11.DONAL McELLIGOTT, 12.PADRAIG McCORMACK, 13.FRANCIS McGEE, 14.ROBBIE SMYTH, 15.SEAN McCORMACK
I don't really get the optimism around our half back line. All three are very good footballers and good going forward but we've had plenty of holes in our half back line over the years with Ciaran McKeever and Aaron Kernan there. Aaron isn't great defensively and Ciaran McKeever has never been a major presence at CHB imo and looks more comfortable on the wing (that may be sacrilige to some). I don't know why we haven't been able to get a system of play in place the past few years where there's cover for the back line with players filtering back and covering for the likes of Aaron and the other wing backs to get forward.
Quote from: Armamike on March 01, 2013, 02:49:07 PM
I don't really get the optimism around our half back line. All three are very good footballers and good going forward but we've had plenty of holes in our half back line over the years with Ciaran McKeever and Aaron Kernan there. Aaron isn't great defensively and Ciaran McKeever has never been a major presence at CHB imo and looks more comfortable on the wing (that may be sacrilige to some). I don't know why we haven't been able to get a system of play in place the past few years where there's cover for the back line with players filtering back and covering for the likes of Aaron and the other wing backs to get forward.
I suppose it's all down to opinions. There have always been question marks with AK's defensive flaws but he more than makes up for it in the quality of link play and foot passing and he is a major asset to an Armagh team. I would have thought that there would be less question marks over McKeever's defensive quality although I would agree with you that he is more suited to wing back than CHB. Taking Ciaran out of the CHB slot may help his game and allow him to take the game to the opposition in the manner he is capable of (e.g. leading the Armagh coimeback last Saturday). Brendan Donaghy is an excellent defender. Over the last few years many Armagh posters would have argued that a footballer of his quality was wasted in the full back line. Tomorrow night is the first time in long enough that this theory can be put to the test. McKeever and Donaghy have easily been the best defenders Armagh have had over the last 7 years with AK recognised as one of the best attacking wing backs in Ireland over the same period.
That's the reasoning behind my optimism anyway.
Mackers - i was just picking up on a general perception among supporters that we've a strong half back line. Our half back line from around about 2006 onwards has been badly exposed at times - and Ciaran and Aaron have been 2 of the mainstays (with Finian Moriarity and Paul Duffy competing for the other spot). I can remember back to 2006 when Kerry just ran at the half back line at will. We've never really got the balance between defence and attack since around 2005. Will be good to see Brendan play in that position. He showed a lot of promise in the half backs a couple of years (though at wing half back) but got shunted back to FB to plug a gap there. Hopefully he will add a bit of power and obstruction to the half backs as defensively our half backs just haven't been great at getting the tackles in and being physically strong enough to hold off attacks. That's just my opinion anyway.
mal mackin is a big miss on this squad toner simply doesnt cover enough ground. armagh will struggle imo
Is Swift coming back?
Armagh city buzzing (not). In the Armagh City Hotel sampling the local coffee.
Any links??
Shore, if you're ensconced in the city hotel sipping a coffee, I'm sure it's not rockin-and-rollin. Would the Starbucks! in Edgeworthstown be a reincarnation of CBGBs? If you head out the door and turn right into more loyal locales, waving your Longford jersey of course, you might find more action. Ah, you're probably better off "istigh ag ol" before heading out the ring road to the match. When you're at it, say hello to my former neighbours around the Athletic Grounds. Hope it's a good game too after such a long trek. You're undoubtedly a true fan. BTW, if you want to do an act of devotion, you could clip a bit of grass from St. Patrick's College where Barry Devlin went to school, I believe.
Ticklemister, you'll probably get a noisy commentary at http://www.armaghgaa.net/armaghtv/
Find it odd that armagh team are wearing blue hoodies
What a goal by Jamie.
Can someone please post the scores. I'm out for dinner :-(
Arm 2-0 1-1 Longf
12 mins gone Armgh 2-0 Longford 1-1 very open so far to say the least!
A few misses so far
Armagh don't have a balanced system, they try to attack but the defence is badly exposed.
Armagh 2-1
Lonf 1-1
Armagh 2-2
Long 1-1
Jamie is boss.
Armagh 2-2
Long 1-2
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on March 02, 2013, 07:19:21 PM
Armagh 2-2
Long 1-1
Jamie is boss.
No doubt!
Yer man on the right commentating on Armagh TV has an awful tick altogether, night at the roxbury stuff altogether.
Armagh 2-3
Long 1-2
Armagh 2-3
Long 1-2
Morgan on
Armagh 2-4
Longford 1-3
Clarke bossing thsi game alright...being allowed turn and face goal far far to easily
Quote from: stew on March 02, 2013, 07:22:56 PM
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on March 02, 2013, 07:19:21 PM
Armagh 2-2
Long 1-1
Jamie is boss.
No doubt!
Yer man on the right commentating on Armagh TV has an awful tick altogether, night at the roxbury stuff altogether.
If all the Armagh forwards showed the energy Jamie has Armagh would be a lot better. They just seem happy to let Clarke do all the running.
Armagh 2-5
Long 1-3
Jamie again
Armagh 2-5
Longford 1-4
Armagh 2-5
Long 1-5
Longford first from play
Even going in with a three point lead, I think Armagh's defence are quite poor still, any of the division 1 teams would walk through them.
Jamie is the only forwards trying, he will tire towards the end and then there will be no threat from the forwards. Absolutely no energy in this team it seems going by the first half. Hopefully there is more intensity shown in the second half. Also, Armagh forwards hesitate when they get the ball and spend too much time thinking about where they are going to turn.
Again look suspect defensively, its the Jamie show up front. This game is far from over though.
Start of second half
Armagh 2-5
Long 1-6
Have to introduce black card, two clear goal scoring chances denied to Longford
Armagh 2-6
Long 1-6
Who is the biased comentator on Setanta by thw way? ::)
Armagh a bit more physical in defence
45 min - McKenna on for McCooey 6 wides for Armagh so far
Armagh missing alot.
50 min -
Mallon and T Kernan on for Campbell and Hanratty
A lot of misses this half
These commentators on Armagh TV are a pure dose. They obviously think that we can see the action. I'm serious!! I don't think they realise that the cameras are on them rather than the pitch!!!
Armagh 2-7
Long 1-6
A.Kernan f
Armagh 2-7
Long 1-7
Armagh 3-7
Long 1-7
Jamie Clarke played it into Mallon, Mallon fluffed it came off goalie and T Kernan tapped it in.
Lucky break but game over now! :(
Armagh 3-7
Long 1-8
Armagh 3-7
Long 1-9
Armagh 3-7
Long 2-9
Armagh OG McKenna
score reflection of who the better team is?
jesus, another goal this game has the lot!
Armagh 3-8
Long 2-9
T.Kernan 45
Armagh 3-8
Long 2-9
FT
Goals kept this game entertaining other than that it was absolute tripe. Both teams running around not knowing what they were doing on a field, Longford were just happy to be there for the majority of the second half. Dread to see what Armagh are going to be like against Cavan. Thankfully Jamie didn't take another week off, without him there would have been no win.
Thanks for the updates lads
Let me point out before I head back to Dublin we didn't deserve to win and congrats to Armagh. But I'm disgusted at the cynical fouling by Armagh and the clear denial of two goals by thuggish tackles. It pisses me off to see it. More anon.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 02, 2013, 08:54:31 PM
. But I'm disgusted at the cynical fouling by Armagh and the clear denial of two goals by thuggish tackles. It pisses me off to see it.
Those deliberate rugby tackles to stop a goal need to be a red card and a penalty no matter where the foul occurs.
Did the Armagh fb get 2 yellows??
Quote from: Rossfan on March 02, 2013, 08:56:31 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 02, 2013, 08:54:31 PM
. But I'm disgusted at the cynical fouling by Armagh and the clear denial of two goals by thuggish tackles. It pisses me off to see it.
Those deliberate rugby tackles to stop a goal need to be a red card and a penalty no matter where the foul occurs.
Did the Armagh fb get 2 yellows??
Longford player punching Lavery in the ribs on the sideline was the most
cynical thuggish thing that happened at that match
Quote from: Rossfan on March 02, 2013, 08:56:31 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 02, 2013, 08:54:31 PM
. But I'm disgusted at the cynical fouling by Armagh and the clear denial of two goals by thuggish tackles. It pisses me off to see it.
Those deliberate rugby tackles to stop a goal need to be a red card and a penalty no matter where the foul occurs.
Did the Armagh fb get 2 yellows??
The first one wasn't even a booking. Awful match to watch. Also don't agree on the comments on Clarke, he seemed to stop playing after 15 minutes and was only interested in goals after that.
Had Mulligan walked I wouldn't have complained.
Not good tonight. (Apart from the fact that I was on Boylesports highly generous 7/4 Jamie Clarke to score a goal at anytime!).Armagh seem incapable of putting two good halves together in the same match,Longford should have had a penalty,and the full back line needs sorted quickly otherwise the Paddy O'Rourke era will seem like a golden age! Thought Lavery and Harold had good games.
Thought Armagh were very poor. If I was a Longford supporter I would not be happy with the fouls on the players clear on goal but nearly every defender, Longford included, would do the same.
I would have been pissed off if Armagh had been done out of two possible goals like Longford were today, Armagh did make some tackles that were cynical but were within the rules. Also Longford were not angels on the pitch either.
Although Armagh are poor at the moment scoring 6-16 in two games isn't so bad.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 02, 2013, 09:13:47 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 02, 2013, 08:56:31 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 02, 2013, 08:54:31 PM
. But I'm disgusted at the cynical fouling by Armagh and the clear denial of two goals by thuggish tackles. It pisses me off to see it.
Those deliberate rugby tackles to stop a goal need to be a red card and a penalty no matter where the foul occurs.
Did the Armagh fb get 2 yellows??
The first one wasn't even a booking. Awful match to watch. Also don't agree on the comments on Clarke, he seemed to stop playing after 15 minutes and was only interested in goals after that.
My god you are very hard to please ::)
But conceding 5-17 in the same two games is bad,and against Wexford and Longford at home!
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on March 02, 2013, 09:07:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 02, 2013, 08:56:31 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 02, 2013, 08:54:31 PM
. But I'm disgusted at the cynical fouling by Armagh and the clear denial of two goals by thuggish tackles. It pisses me off to see it.
Those deliberate rugby tackles to stop a goal need to be a red card and a penalty no matter where the foul occurs.
Did the Armagh fb get 2 yellows??
Longford player punching Lavery in the ribs on the sideline was the most cynical thuggish thing that happened at that match
Where was Kieran Mc Keever when this was going on ? He'd have sorted him out.
Mc Keever sorted someone out near the end and got a yellow card.Also one of the Longford players hit an Armagh offiicial as he ran onto the pitch to deliver instructions to Donaghy.
Thanks for the updates lads. I presume Toner was still injured from last week. Anything other than a win tonight would have been a disaster to be honest, so we should take the win and move on. Full back line needs strengthened (as everyone knows) - how did morgan play when he came on & any word on andy mallon?? The forwards seemed to lack a clinical edge with forwards going for goals when points were required to kill the game.
3 games lost by a total of 5 points, felt we would be in trouble from the throw in when i saw who match up with Jamie Clarke from the throw in , this lad not known for his marking ability,excellent with ball coming out of defence though, Dermot Brady did much better . Again our midfield was a shambles for large parts of the game. Colm P made a huge difference in 2nd half, with Declan Reilly nearing a return and hopefully Paul Barden working his way back to match fitness things may soon get better. Best of luck to the U-21s who face the might of Dublin on Wednesday night
Poor display from Armagh especially second half. Don't look well drilled, nor what to do in possession. The team don't work hard enough when they don't have the ball to close people down and win it back. Full back line is too exposed and not good enough to go man to man. Jamie Clarke is a genius.
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on March 02, 2013, 09:07:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 02, 2013, 08:56:31 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 02, 2013, 08:54:31 PM
. But I'm disgusted at the cynical fouling by Armagh and the clear denial of two goals by thuggish tackles. It pisses me off to see it.
Those deliberate rugby tackles to stop a goal need to be a red card and a penalty no matter where the foul occurs.
Did the Armagh fb get 2 yellows??
Longford player punching Lavery in the ribs on the sideline was the most cynical thuggish thing that happened at that match
Armaghgeddon, as an Armagh supporter for years, shit like your above quote only embarrasses the county. James Lavery acted like a complete Ballbag with his poxy dive when he got his ribs tickled. I question is this the same hard man that tries to bully young fellas when playing for Maghery but cows away from the tough stuff when required like tonight.
Shamrock Shore I completely understand where you are coming from with the cynical following, its not pretty but it is effective. You cant blame a player for doing it when there is no punishment for it and I am sure if Jamie Clarke was bearing down on goal you would rather your corner back stop him by whatever means.
This is an issue for the GAA to resolve but until they do we have to except it from Armagh and every other county also.
I know what you are saying Pbat. It's the whole Thierry Henry handball scenario and would I have any qualms about Longford defenders poleaxing an opponent on a clear path to goals. It's a hard one to give an honest answer to but I would most likely say' feck it, dems the breaks'. But I wouldn't be happy about it - like yourself. I believe in winning, of course, but not at all costs.
It's been a tough three games to stomach. We are not getting the rub of the green and the sideline is not helping matters. 3 games lost by a sum total of 5 points (I think Insider pointed this out) and a swift return to Div 3 looks certain. But all is not lost and with the return of the Elder and Less Elder Barden we may get a lifeline - depending on the others.
Thankfully we have Laois coming up so a handy 2 points there ;)
Quote from: pbat on March 03, 2013, 02:36:15 AM
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on March 02, 2013, 09:07:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 02, 2013, 08:56:31 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 02, 2013, 08:54:31 PM
. But I'm disgusted at the cynical fouling by Armagh and the clear denial of two goals by thuggish tackles. It pisses me off to see it.
Those deliberate rugby tackles to stop a goal need to be a red card and a penalty no matter where the foul occurs.
Did the Armagh fb get 2 yellows??
Longford player punching Lavery in the ribs on the sideline was the most cynical thuggish thing that happened at that match
Armaghgeddon, as an Armagh supporter for years, shit like your above quote only embarrasses the county. James Lavery acted like a complete Ballbag with his poxy dive when he got his ribs tickled. I question is this the same hard man that tries to bully young fellas when playing for Maghery but cows away from the tough stuff when required like tonight.
Shamrock Shore I completely understand where you are coming from with the cynical following, its not pretty but it is effective. You cant blame a player for doing it when there is no punishment for it and I am sure if Jamie Clarke was bearing down on goal you would rather your corner back stop him by whatever means.
This is an issue for the GAA to resolve but until they do we have to except it from Armagh and every other county also.
I wasn't shouting for the player to be sent off or for a free to be given. I was pointing out that the intentional striking of a player was also a thuggish act.
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on March 03, 2013, 12:46:32 PM
Quote from: pbat on March 03, 2013, 02:36:15 AM
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on March 02, 2013, 09:07:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 02, 2013, 08:56:31 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 02, 2013, 08:54:31 PM
. But I'm disgusted at the cynical fouling by Armagh and the clear denial of two goals by thuggish tackles. It pisses me off to see it.
Those deliberate rugby tackles to stop a goal need to be a red card and a penalty no matter where the foul occurs.
Did the Armagh fb get 2 yellows??
Longford player punching Lavery in the ribs on the sideline was the most cynical thuggish thing that happened at that match
Armaghgeddon, as an Armagh supporter for years, shit like your above quote only embarrasses the county. James Lavery acted like a complete Ballbag with his poxy dive when he got his ribs tickled. I question is this the same hard man that tries to bully young fellas when playing for Maghery but cows away from the tough stuff when required like tonight.
Shamrock Shore I completely understand where you are coming from with the cynical following, its not pretty but it is effective. You cant blame a player for doing it when there is no punishment for it and I am sure if Jamie Clarke was bearing down on goal you would rather your corner back stop him by whatever means.
This is an issue for the GAA to resolve but until they do we have to except it from Armagh and every other county also.
I wasn't shouting for the player to be sent off or for a free to be given. I was pointing out that the intentional striking of a player was also a thuggish act.
Fair play to you Pbat for pointing out thatLavery barely got his ribs tickled! No way was Mulligan's "strike" a sending off offence, Longford problem is that they are sometimes too nice....look at some of the cycnical fouling and hard hits put in by Armagh compared....Im all for playing by the rules but soemtimes a nasty/cute streak is needed especaily at even Div 2 level where as has been pointed out we need a break ahving lost 3 games by a total of 5 points
Qwerty. If you watched Tyrone v Donegal today you would see how fouling is done at the top level. Amazing how many half fouls there were and how much play was stopped around the middle. As the rules stand a lot of teams are following suit.
Striking, be it to the ribs or the face is a sending off offence is it not? How can a ref judge the force of it.
Hauling a man that is clean through on goal to the floor is not. Those are the present rules as they stand although i disagree with the latter punishment. One was adhered to one was not. Armaghdeddon has a bit of a point.
This was a shambolic performance from Armagh and Jamie saved their blushes. The policy of only introducing Cross players if you take one of must stop. Johnny Hanratty was hooked (even though he was by no means the worst player on the pitch) to introduce Tony Kernan. I don't know what this plan Big Paul has to leave Armagh in better shape when he is done, but it doesn't seem to be working. As we enviously watch Harte and Tyrone evolve almost seamlessly evolve there can be no excuse for Armagh not doing the same given the amount of money put into development squads. The county needs to get over this aversion to Cross, and Cross also need to step up to the plate and balance their own needs with those of the County.
Sometimes you have to wonder about people. I will willing put my hand up and say I am one of the biggest critics of the Armagh set up but even I can acknowledge that the win on Saturday was more than just about playing football. This is the first time since last summer that this group of players has been able to play together so for people to think that they will start pulling up trees is deluding themselves. There are a lot of new faces in the team, there are a lot of returning players from Cross/injury and there are still a good few '1st teamers' to come back. They may not have played brilliantly but they still won and when the pressure came on near the end they held their cool.
There were positives and negatives but let's face it at the minute this team is a 2nd division team. What would be best in my view is that they consolidate themselves in the mid table position so that the management can 'develop' their style of play, 2 wins should see that consolidation.
Anyone know if I could see the full or a half decent highlights package of the match again as it was live on Setanta.
The RTE 'highlights' were just the goals - I'd love to see the few incidents highlighted above again so that I can prepared my petition to The Hague if I feel it is warranted ;)
was at a loss and decided 2 go see this game.big mistake.
rmagh have gon backwards so quickly in last few yrs i am nerly feeling sry for them.
jamie clarke apart there wer no other players worth watchin.
can anyone here tell me if Armagh have a gameplan or what it is?
Pass to clarke seemd the only option and once longford dbl marked him ther were no other ideas.
grimley has a lot to answer for if he cant get the team tryin to play a gameplan
will be lucky to stay in div 2
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 04, 2013, 08:56:26 AM
This was a shambolic performance from Armagh and Jamie saved their blushes. The policy of only introducing Cross players if you take one of must stop. Johnny Hanratty was hooked (even though he was by no means the worst player on the pitch) to introduce Tony Kernan. I don't know what this plan Big Paul has to leave Armagh in better shape when he is done, but it doesn't seem to be working. As we enviously watch Harte and Tyrone evolve almost seamlessly evolve there can be no excuse for Armagh not doing the same given the amount of money put into development squads. The county needs to get over this aversion to Cross, and Cross also need to step up to the plate and balance their own needs with those of the County.
No harm to you apples that conspiracy theory is only present in your head. Finnegan and Hanratty were rightly taken off. In fairness Hanratty was lost in at full forward and could have been better used in midfield. However, on Saturday night our midfield pairing were ticking along OK (much to my surprise). I cursed Finnegan at the match on Saturday night for being caught for the goal but after looking at it again on the Setanta coverage credit has to go to Barden for an excellent pass in.
I think that a very poor second half performance has tinted some of the comments on here. I would say that there were some very encouraging passages of play in the first half where our kick passing was good. We don't have the physique to play a running game trying to break tackles (a la Tyrone/Donegal yesterday) and I hope we persist with the quick kick passing game. We lost our way in the second half and overcomplicated things at times.
Our FB line was a major concern but is this really a surprise when we played two midfielders and a debutant in the full back line? Ciaran McKeever had his hands full with an excellent player and Donaghy looked very rusty.
I was impressed with Lavery, who I have been sore on, hopefully he will build on this performance.
Jamie Clarke transforms our forward line (as he would with any county team). He gets praised (rightly) for his silky skills but I think his ball winning ability is underestimated. Last week when some decent ball went into our FF line it was coming straight back out again. This week a similar standard of ball into our FF line stuck. Forker played well off him and hopefully this partnership is allowed to develop.
Jamie would be the first to say that he was one of the players that overcomplicated things in the second half. When your team haven't scored in twenty odd minutes simple tap over points are worth much gold and he kicked one bad wide with his right and he spurned, along with others, a few simple point taking opportunities going for goal.
We badly need a few more experienced players back for what will be a very difficult trip to Derry.
The full game is being shown again on Wednesday at 4-00pm.
I think the frustrating thing is that year in year out since 2008 we seem to be constantly chopping and changing, drafting players in and out and moving them around the pitch while giving some really flat performances and getting on the end of some bad defeats (in each of the last 4 years Armagh has left the championship on the end of a drubbing by some poor to average outfits - we're not talking Kerry, Dublin, Cork, or Donegal here). So far this year we've had a couple of midfielders tried out at full forward (Kingham and Hanratty), a forward at CHB (Forker), a midfielder at FB and CHB (Donnelly), a forward at corner back (McCooey), a half back at corner back (McKenna) and it goes on. The time for experimenting is over lads. If you could see a semblance of a plan or work in progress you could live with the early exits and the poor results. No one's in dreamland about our chances, supporters just want to see a fairly well drilled, organised outfit with players comfortable in their positions and the vast majority of the best players in the county making themselves available and given a call up. I come from a junior club, An Port Mor, that got to the all-Ireland semi final this year because for the first time in our history we managed to get the available players out playing to a basic plan - nothing too complicated. If a junior club can come up with a game plan and stick to it, i can't see why a county side can't. For the past few years Armagh sides seem to be playing off the cuff, players don't seem to know what to do when they have the ball - they've few options around them.
Coaches and managers can't do much about the natural ability of their playing resources or make up for a lack of athleticism or speed, fielding ability, or ability to put the ball over the bar or in the back of the net - and Armagh aren't exactly blessed in those areas right now, but they can ensure that the players know what their roles are in the team, that they do the basics like working hard for the team, closing down the opposition and moving, covering and supporting each other on the pitch. I haven't seen that with Armagh the past 5 or 6 years but i'm hoping (dreaming) by the end of this season it will be a different story.
QuoteThe full game is being shown again on Wednesday at 4-00pm.
But.......but........but.......I don't have Setanta at home :(
Gif of Jamie Clarke's goal.
http://ballsdot.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/gallery/gaagifs0403/clarkegoal.gif
Quote from: AFS on March 04, 2013, 08:14:11 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 04, 2013, 09:39:29 AM
Sometimes you have to wonder about people. I will willing put my hand up and say I am one of the biggest critics of the Armagh set up but even I can acknowledge that the win on Saturday was more than just about playing football. This is the first time since last summer that this group of players has been able to play together so for people to think that they will start pulling up trees is deluding themselves. There are a lot of new faces in the team, there are a lot of returning players from Cross/injury and there are still a good few '1st teamers' to come back. They may not have played brilliantly but they still won and when the pressure came on near the end they held their cool.
There were positives and negatives but let's face it at the minute this team is a 2nd division team. What would be best in my view is that they consolidate themselves in the mid table position so that the management can 'develop' their style of play, 2 wins should see that consolidation.
Correct. Some boys here really trying hard to outdo each other in the misery stakes. A bit of perspective and all that.
For a couple of decades we had a tremendous midfield, from McKinstry to the Grimleys and McGrane etc, we have not got that anymore, who the hell could replace the likes of Stevie and Francie as well McGeeney and Marsden.
Swings and roundabouts and all that, we have good underage sides and a handful of top notch players, we will get better and once Grimley gets a settled side we will se a big improvemt, as long as the players come together and believe in each other and management.
The future is bright, the future is orange! :P
15 Minutes into the Longford game there was a dramatic improvement from one week earlier, and I was happy enough. Things went down from there on rather than up, but the curates egg analogy is about right. If there is a bit more of the good bits each week then that will constitute progress. It'll not be easy to get the points though.
Bit Like Paddy & his pot of stew that someone took a dump in, he had to throw the half of it out. :P
so if some good tight marking back gets a handle on jamie its curtains for armagh.. more or less somes up armaghs prospects for the foreseeable future???
Quoteso if some good tight marking back gets a handle on jamie its curtains for armagh.. more or less somes up armaghs prospects for the foreseeable future???
Cross' have won games well where Jamie has hardly scored. To keep him under control 2 or 3 men were used and he simply laid the ball off to the other forwards. Cross players run in and are positioned for this, Armagh players need to do likewise.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 04, 2013, 11:51:58 PM
Quoteso if some good tight marking back gets a handle on jamie its curtains for armagh.. more or less somes up armaghs prospects for the foreseeable future???
Cross' have won games well where Jamie has hardly scored. To keep him under control 2 or 3 men were used and he simply laid the ball off to the other forwards. Cross players run in and are positioned for this, Armagh players need to do likewise.
That certainly seems to be the case, the commentators remarked several times that if the other forwards had the work rate of Jamie then then Armagh would have been much further ahead. This now beggers the question, is this likely to be the case or are they just going to land all the responsibility on Jamie's shoulders and expect him to run the show? At club level, when Jamie was double marked, or has a sweeper in front of him, the lads were able to isolate say, Kyle Carragher or Oisin and they were able to gain good purchase from there. If the same happens with Armagh, who do Armagh have to take the pressure off Jamie? A FF line of Jamie, Forker and McParland has huge potential but they need to ensure that the other 2 are putting in the honest shift.
Jamie was well marshalled when Dermot Brady was moved onto him - but the damage was done by that stage.
BTW I see that, whatshisface, Nathan Carter is playing the Athletic Grounds next months. The announcer at half time was very funny. "I've been informed that tickets would be an ideal Mother's Day present".
Now Armagh lads - sorted. Mammies, wives and girlfriends could be in for a treat ::)