Might as well start a thread for this.......
Twenty six different starters (not sure about what subs played) in the three FBD league matches including eight (open to correction on a couple of those) who haven't played senior championship yet:
Kenneth O'Malley
Michael Walsh
Shane McHale
Lee Keegan
Tom Cunniffe
Keith Rogers
Richie Feeney
Jason Gibbons
Seamus O'Shea
Conor O'Shea
Enda Varley
Cathal Carolan
Evan Regan
Alan Freeman
Michael Conroy
David Clarke
Cathal Hallinan
Donal Vaughan
Chris Barrett
Barry Moran
Ger Cafferkey
Keith Higgins
A.OShea
Kevin McLouglin
Alan Murphy
Jason Doherty
There would have been a few playing for colleges as well - saw Cathal Freeman mentioned in some report anyway.
With four home games this year you'd fancy our chances of staying up and as the top four make the semi finals, that should be achievable although no disaster if we were to miss out.
We have a decent record in the league against Kerry but I guess a lot depends on team selection and where both teams are in terms of training. With these two having swapped trainers during the winter it'll be interesting to see how they get on this year - I believe that O'Neill is putting the Kerry boys through some serious work down there.
Is David Moran back from injury? He could be a big player for Kerry this year.
Thank God the winter is nearly over :)
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 29, 2013, 12:00:01 AM
Might as well start a thread for this.......
Twenty six different starters (not sure about what subs played) in the three FBD league matches including eight (open to correction on a couple of those) who haven't played senior championship yet:
Kenneth O'Malley
Michael Walsh
Shane McHale
Lee Keegan
Tom Cunniffe
Keith Rogers
Richie Feeney
Jason Gibbons
Seamus O'Shea
Conor O'Shea
Enda Varley
Cathal Carolan
Evan Regan
Alan Freeman
Michael Conroy
David Clarke
Cathal Hallinan
Donal Vaughan
Chris Barrett
Barry Moran
Ger Cafferkey
Keith Higgins
A.OShea
Kevin McLouglin
Alan Murphy
Jason Doherty
There would have been a few playing for colleges as well - saw Cathal Freeman mentioned in some report anyway.
With four home games this year you'd fancy our chances of staying up and as the top four make the semi finals, that should be achievable although no disaster if we were to miss out.
We have a decent record in the league against Kerry but I guess a lot depends on team selection and where both teams are in terms of training. With these two having swapped trainers during the winter it'll be interesting to see how they get on this year - I believe that O'Neill is putting the Kerry boys through some serious work down there.
Is David Moran back from injury? He could be a big player for Kerry this year.
Thank God the winter is nearly over :)
Is that Alan Murphy the former Galway Utd player?
Don't know about that - he's a Ballinrobe man as far as I know
Looks like he is alright:
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15039:alan-murphys-life-less-ordinary&catid=14&Itemid=100008 (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15039:alan-murphys-life-less-ordinary&catid=14&Itemid=100008)
Is the youngest O'Shea as big as his brothers? Aidan is probably the only player in the country who could out-muscle Michael Murphy.
Yeah, that's the youngest fella - not as stocky as Aidan, more like Seamus' build but a bit taller I'd say
I think Shane McHale came on against Dublin in the semi-final this year.
Quote from: Chimley on January 29, 2013, 11:50:52 AM
I think Shane McHale came on against Dublin in the semi-final this year.
Came on for Keane
Sarrem Coen played against Leitrim and I think Aidan walsh could have got some time during the FBD as wellpossibly agaimst GMIT.
No sign of 4 goal Kirby? what a great story if he never played for mayo again
Quote from: rosnarun on January 29, 2013, 01:37:40 PM
Sarrem Coen played against Leitrim and I think Aidan walsh could have got some time during the FBD as wellpossibly agaimst GMIT.
No sign of 4 goal Kirby? what a great story if he never played for mayo again
Not if you're Kirby himself it's not.
I wonder will Jason Doherty start off this year like he did last year (no wait that was two years ago) and score goals galore? Or will he still have the 'second half of first season/second season syndrome' if he gets any game time this year?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 30, 2013, 08:25:53 PM
I wonder will Jason Doherty start off this year like he did last year (no wait that was two years ago) and score goals galore? Or will he still have the 'second half of first season/second season syndrome' if he gets any game time this year?
It might help if he is picked as a corner forward.
I hear James Kilcullen's transfer to Sligo went through. Best of luck to him, was brilliant for Ballagh this year.
Match preview here if anyone wants to take a look:
http://www.livegaelic.com/news/national-league-division-1-match-previews/
As a Kerryman I can't say I agree with the conclusion reached, in it!
Kerry's forward is very young in fairness and it'll be interesting to see how they go without the likes of Gooch, Donaghy et al.
This experimental and inexperienced Kerry team gives us an unexpected chance of a win. Need to put out our best 15 and get two points on the board. A loss on Sunday would be a huge set back given the team Kerry have out. It's a must win now for us.
Was just wondering why Barry Regan from Ballaghadereen doesn't seem to be even on the panel. I know he's about 29/30 but a free taker of his quality is an asset to any team not to mention he's good from open play as well. I was very impressed from what I seen of him in last years club championship. Seeing as though Kerry are without the Dr. Crokes contingent and Mayo are at home I'll go for a narrow win for our noisy neighbours.
Jaysus lads, I'd have thought you Mayo buckeens would have this thread in double numbers by now?? All quiet out whest.
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 01, 2013, 08:40:11 PM
Jaysus lads, I'd have thought you Mayo buckeens would have this thread in double numbers by now?? All quiet out whest.
nordie bys cloggin it up ;)
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 01, 2013, 08:40:11 PM
Jaysus lads, I'd have thought you Mayo buckeens would have this thread in double numbers by now?? All quiet out whest.
I don't know what it is. Maybe the AI hangover is still in the systems. Also we had an unconvincing FBD league and we all expected Kerry to win seen as they were scoring for fun in their McGrath Cup. Now, with their team, things are kind of looking up, but there are rumours that Caff and Keith Higgins are injured. So hopefully they'll be just rumours and both will be ready and rearin' to go. Maybe if the Mayo team was named we could be talking a biteen more!
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 01, 2013, 08:40:11 PM
Jaysus lads, I'd have thought you Mayo buckeens would have this thread in double numbers by now?? All quiet out whest.
No fear of Kerry anymore, should be a handy one for us ;)
Make sure big Donaghy dosent give the birdy!!
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 01, 2013, 10:01:00 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 01, 2013, 08:40:11 PM
Jaysus lads, I'd have thought you Mayo buckeens would have this thread in double numbers by now?? All quiet out whest.
No fear of Kerry anymore, should be a handy one for us ;)
Careful now, those Kerry hoors get fierce touchy if you have the temerity to beat them regularly ;)
Mayo team announced.Good to see Cathal Freeman getting a chance.He was a brilliant minor and I always thought he would have made a very good senior player but I suppose injuries have curtailed his progress.Intersting to see that Horan has persisted with Feeny and Keegan in the half forward line but come championship Iwould expect Keegan to revert to H.B and Feeny staying in the half forward line.
The Mayo Senior Football team has been announced for their opening game in the Allianz Football League this coming Sunday 3rd February at 2.00p.m. in Elverys MacHale Park against Kerry. The team shows one debutante with Cathal Freeman from Aghamore making his senior team debut at wing-forward. Ger Cafferkey has shrugged off a minor muscle injury and is named at full-back. The team also shows Lee Keegan & Richie Feeney move from their customary half-back positions to the half-forward line with Kevin McLoughlin been named in the full-forward line. Alan Dillon has failed to shrug off a small muscle injury while Cillian O'Connor is still recovering from a shoulder injury received last October. The Mayo Senior Football team will line out as follows:
1) David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites (Capt.)
2) Shane McHale - Knockmore
3) Ger Cafferkey - Ballina Stephenites
4) Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
5) Tom Cunniffe - Castlebar Mitchels
6) Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
7) Chris Barrett - Belmullet
8 ) Aidan O'Shea - Breaffy
9) Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
10) Lee Keegan - Westport
11) Richie Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
12) Cathal Freeman - Aghamore
13) Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
14) Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
15) Michael Conroy - Davitts
Interesting team selection. Nice to see Cathal Freeman finally getting his chance at senior level. I'd say McLoughlin will move out to the half forward line leaving space for Doherty and Conroy to get goals.
Quote from: Sam2011 on February 02, 2013, 12:02:34 AM
10) Lee Keegan - Westport
11) Richie Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
Have these boys ever played in the forwards in their lives?
Crazy stuff. Modern management eh?
Makes it easier for a weak Kerry half back line when they are marking Mayo half backs.
Quote from: catchandkick on February 02, 2013, 02:37:38 AM
Quote from: Sam2011 on February 02, 2013, 12:02:34 AM
10) Lee Keegan - Westport
11) Richie Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
Have these boys ever played in the forwards in their lives?
Crazy stuff. Modern management eh?
Makes it easier for a weak Kerry half back line when they are marking Mayo half backs.
You do understand the concept of sweepers, right!?
Naming two half-backs and half-forwards is
invariably about strengthening defense at the expense of offense. Most of the time those Kerry half-backs will be stuck either in no-man's land or drawn way out of position themselves.
Have to say Feeney has impressed me most every time I seen him in the last year and for the most part he's looked a very natural half-forward. He's certainly played there before and both players were being played in those positions in the FBD so it should come as no shock to anyone.
Should win this one if we are going anywhere. 5+ points.
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 01, 2013, 10:25:38 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 01, 2013, 10:01:00 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 01, 2013, 08:40:11 PM
Jaysus lads, I'd have thought you Mayo buckeens would have this thread in double numbers by now?? All quiet out whest.
No fear of Kerry anymore, should be a handy one for us ;)
Careful now, those Kerry hoors get fierce touchy if you have the temerity to beat them regularly ;)
So do those Tyrone lads ;)
Quote from: Mayo Mick on February 02, 2013, 09:10:16 AM
Should win this one if we are going anywhere. 5+ points.
Ah, careful now! Down with that sort of thing. This is not a run out against a Division 3/4 side. This is Kerry. A new looking Kerry, but still Kerry. Great to see Winter over the Cobwebs getting rubbed off and a chance to look at new players, new formations and players in new positions. Looking forward to seeing Keegan getting a fairly major teat in his new position. Hate to see him move from the backs where he has been a revelation. But Horan has allot of options in that area, where as the forward line needs a bit of tweaking. It may work, it may not, but now's the time to try it out. with the four home games, there is a great chance of making the semi's of this competition. I've always thought that in terms of fairness there should be 3 home and 3 away games for each team with the odd game being switched to a neutral venue and being a double header.
Quote from: Syferus on February 02, 2013, 04:54:32 AM
Quote from: catchandkick on February 02, 2013, 02:37:38 AM
Quote from: Sam2011 on February 02, 2013, 12:02:34 AM
10) Lee Keegan - Westport
11) Richie Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
Have these boys ever played in the forwards in their lives?
Crazy stuff. Modern management eh?
Makes it easier for a weak Kerry half back line when they are marking Mayo half backs.
You do understand the concept of sweepers, right!?
Naming two half-backs and half-forwards is invariably about strengthening defense at the expense of offense.
Mayo do not have a marquee forward in the class of an O'Neill, Cooper or Bernard Brogan.
Playing with four recognised forwards instead of six and further reducing your scoring threat seems like shooting yourself in the foot somewhat.
That's right syf, the good old FBD is the barometer... Sure didn't they destroy GMIT from the half forward positions. ::)
Quote from: catchandkick on February 02, 2013, 12:47:19 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 02, 2013, 04:54:32 AM
Quote from: catchandkick on February 02, 2013, 02:37:38 AM
Quote from: Sam2011 on February 02, 2013, 12:02:34 AM
10) Lee Keegan - Westport
11) Richie Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
Have these boys ever played in the forwards in their lives?
Crazy stuff. Modern management eh?
Makes it easier for a weak Kerry half back line when they are marking Mayo half backs.
You do understand the concept of sweepers, right!?
Naming two half-backs and half-forwards is invariably about strengthening defense at the expense of offense.
Mayo do not have a marquee forward in the class of an O'Neill, Cooper or Bernard Brogan.
Playing with four recognised forwards instead of six and further reducing your scoring threat seems like shooting yourself in the foot somewhat.
Donegal managed to win the AI last year with two and a half forwards.
Quote from: moysider on February 02, 2013, 01:30:34 PM
Donegal managed to win the AI last year with two and a half forwards.
+1
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 02, 2013, 01:21:18 PM
That's right syf, the good old FBD is the barometer... Sure didn't they destroy GMIT from the half forward positions. ::)
Eh? Feeney usually plays as an attacking half-back at the best of times, he even came on against Dublin last September and played HF so it's not like this is something that should worry anyone, Feeney is to my mind clearly one of Mayo's best fifteen players and his play last year was deserving of much more championship time than he got.
With the way the game is played these days there's very little difference in the skill-set of most half-backs and half-forwards unless a certain half-forward happens to be a prolific scorer. They both move the chains, run at opposing backs and try to find a pass that breaks a defence open.
Keegan is a wild card but with the derth of scoring forwards and injuries to Andy and O'Connor it's not a decision that should come out of the blue to anyone.
Quote from: catchandkick on February 02, 2013, 12:47:19 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 02, 2013, 04:54:32 AM
Quote from: catchandkick on February 02, 2013, 02:37:38 AM
Quote from: Sam2011 on February 02, 2013, 12:02:34 AM
10) Lee Keegan - Westport
11) Richie Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
Have these boys ever played in the forwards in their lives?
Crazy stuff. Modern management eh?
Makes it easier for a weak Kerry half back line when they are marking Mayo half backs.
You do understand the concept of sweepers, right!?
Naming two half-backs and half-forwards is invariably about strengthening defense at the expense of offense.
Mayo do not have a marquee forward in the class of an O'Neill, Cooper or Bernard Brogan.
Playing with four recognised forwards instead of six and further reducing your scoring threat seems like shooting yourself in the foot somewhat.
They do when Andy Moran is fit. I'd rate him above O'Neill and take him above Brogan every time too. Brogan is a flair player but he's not a leader or someone with the vision of Moran, Moran makes everyone around him far better than Brogan does. Moran's ability to score himself has become pretty special in the last few years too - he just isn't as selfish as Brogan and plays others into the game far more. I should say that's not a huge slight on Brogan because most of the time he can be relied on to get the shots he takes, but anyone can tell you that plenty of times they're not the percentage options.
If you meant right now given his injury, sure, but in absolute terms Mayo have a forward every bit deserving of being part of that top-tier.
Andy Moran is one of Mayos best footballers and leaders however, he's not like Brogan,Cooper,McFadden etc that are marquee forwards. Going on that last two years Moran scored 0-7 v London,2-0 v Leitrim however, on average he will score around one or two points a game.
Playing half backs in the half forward line is the way game has gone, management teams is made up of an coach,trainer,selectors and manager too many cooks spoil the broth? teams are more worried about the opposition than themselves in fairness to Mayo they do play strengths and if they can find another forward that can score around 0-5 a game they could end the All Ireland famine.
Quote from: catchandkick on February 02, 2013, 12:47:19 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 02, 2013, 04:54:32 AM
Quote from: catchandkick on February 02, 2013, 02:37:38 AM
Quote from: Sam2011 on February 02, 2013, 12:02:34 AM
10) Lee Keegan - Westport
11) Richie Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
Have these boys ever played in the forwards in their lives?
Crazy stuff. Modern management eh?
Makes it easier for a weak Kerry half back line when they are marking Mayo half backs.
You do understand the concept of sweepers, right!?
Naming two half-backs and half-forwards is invariably about strengthening defense at the expense of offense.
Mayo do not have a marquee forward in the class of an O'Neill, Cooper or Bernard Brogan.
Playing with four recognised forwards instead of six and further reducing your scoring threat seems like shooting yourself in the foot somewhat.
No worries because we would miss.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 02, 2013, 05:14:57 PM
Andy Moran is one of Mayos best footballers and leaders however, he's not like Brogan,Cooper,McFadden etc that are marquee forwards. Going on that last two years Moran scored 0-7 v London,2-0 v Leitrim however, on average he will score around one or two points a game.
Playing half backs in the half forward line is the way game has gone, management teams is made up of an coach,trainer,selectors and manager too many cooks spoil the broth? teams are more worried about the opposition than themselves in fairness to Mayo they do play strengths and if they can find another forward that can score around 0-5 a game they could end the All Ireland famine.
Y'see I think this highlights the need for far better stat keeping and reporting by media outlets because popular sentiment always favours the high point-scoring forward regardless of anything else.
One forward could set up a dozen easy chances for others but another forward could score 5 points off as many chances and be hailed as man-of-the-match. We fetishise 'scoring forwards' a little too much in the sport and I know that despite have two (and arguably three) ourselves it's far from the silver bullet it's sometimes presented as.
The impact of an Andy Moran, his assists, his link play and his attitude as a leader for me make him a better player than a Bernard Brogan or a Colm O'Neill (who, although very good and likely to improve, really shouldn't mentioned be in this sort of rarefied company right now). Brogan can lift a team by scoring spectacular points alone but Moran can lift a team buy playing others into the form and chances that make an entire attack far more dangerous and hard to stop. His ability to win high ball is special to boot, and the best backs in the country have all tried and failed to contain him when it really matters.
Likewise he's scored some beautiful points too in the last few seasons - facing away from goal against Down and pivoting from around 40m out on the wing and scoring springs to mind- and his ability to convert chances himself have reached very high levels themselves. Maybe not as 'natural' a scorer as Brogan but very much a more complete player.
I think Andy Moran is the very definition of a marquee forward but that the fact he's grew into that role over the course of many years means too few are able to properly appreciate that fact. Flair catches peoples' eyes but consistent excellence and improvement seems to be a tougher sell.
Been looking forward to today. Looking forward to seeing Cathal Freeman, great footballing brain to pick a pass. Mayo by 2.
Quote from: Syferus on February 03, 2013, 12:04:44 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 02, 2013, 05:14:57 PM
Andy Moran is one of Mayos best footballers and leaders however, he's not like Brogan,Cooper,McFadden etc that are marquee forwards. Going on that last two years Moran scored 0-7 v London,2-0 v Leitrim however, on average he will score around one or two points a game.
Playing half backs in the half forward line is the way game has gone, management teams is made up of an coach,trainer,selectors and manager too many cooks spoil the broth? teams are more worried about the opposition than themselves in fairness to Mayo they do play strengths and if they can find another forward that can score around 0-5 a game they could end the All Ireland famine.
Y'see I think this highlights the need for far better stat keeping and reporting by media outlets because popular sentiment always favours the high point-scoring forward regardless of anything else.
One forward could set up a dozen easy chances for others but another forward could score 5 points off as many chances and be hailed as man-of-the-match. We fetishise 'scoring forwards' a little too much in the sport and I know that despite have two (and arguably three) ourselves it's far from the silver bullet it's sometimes presented as.
The impact of an Andy Moran, his assists, his link play and his attitude as a leader for me make him a better player than a Bernard Brogan or a Colm O'Neill (who, although very good and likely to improve, really shouldn't mentioned be in this sort of rarefied company right now). Brogan can lift a team by scoring spectacular points alone but Moran can lift a team buy playing others into the form and chances that make an entire attack far more dangerous and hard to stop. His ability to win high ball is special to boot, and the best backs in the country have all tried and failed to contain him when it really matters.
Likewise he's scored some beautiful points too in the last few seasons - facing away from goal against Down and pivoting from around 40m out on the wing and scoring springs to mind- and his ability to convert chances himself have reached very high levels themselves. Maybe not as 'natural' a scorer as Brogan but very much a more complete player.
I think Andy Moran is the very definition of a marquee forward but that the fact he's grew into that role over the course of many years means too few are able to properly appreciate that fact. Flair catches peoples' eyes but consistent excellence and improvement seems to be a tougher sell.
I'd add Kevin McLoughlin to that, naturally over a shorter period.
Good to have proper football back again. A good league for Mayo would be to avoid relegation find another decent forward and maybe someone else for the fullback line. Aiden O'Shea and Barry Moran to move up another level from last year and maybe a third midfielder to add some serious competition for places and maybe give the opportunity to Aiden O'Shea to move into a more forward position if the need arises.
Looking at the line up I would have liked to see Conor O'Shea playing and Keith Higgins in the half back line. I like the idea of trying Keegan and Feeney in the forwards. I think come championship we need one of them to be able to slot into this role and I reckon it will be Feeney . He definitely has not got the playing time he has deserved over the last 12 months but despite this was well able to step up whenever called on.
Backed Mayo in my accumulator so have probably put the jinx on it. Need them to win for a €200 win. Still to this day I dont know why I let my heart rule my head when it come to Mayo. They have fecked up so many bets fro me in the past. Although would definitely make beating the kingdom a whole lot sweeter
Quote from: ballinaman on February 03, 2013, 10:22:21 AM
Been looking forward to today. Looking forward to seeing Cathal Freeman, great footballing brain to pick a pass. Mayo by 2.
Wasn't really looking forward to the game itself, but now the day's here, frig it there's nothing like the day of a match. Agree with regards to Cathal Freeman. I also would like to see Conor O'Shea playing, but I'm sure he will get a run out at some stage during the league campaign.
Hopefully the O'Shea brothers who are playing can step up and dominate the midfield sector, be it by catching or sweeping up ball. I also think this has to be last chance saloon for Doherty, not today as such, but the whole league. He needs to get a few goals or else it could be bye bye for him.
jason doc with the first 3 points for mayo.0.03 to 0.01 for Mayo
very fast paced game ,Mayo 0.07 kerry 1.06
Even enough match, typical league fare. Mayo's half back line looks a bit outta sorts. Jason Doherty enjoying fee taking responsibilities.
Paidi Hughes in the middle of the action. MOM at the minute.
Mayo looking good winning by 6 points in the end.
Kerry are not as bad as this result suggests. Mayo might not be as good.
But time will tell.
Mayo took some amazing scores.
Cafferkey in the end got MOM. Paidi Hughes will be raging.
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 01, 2013, 08:40:11 PM
Jaysus lads, I'd have thought you Mayo buckeens would have this thread in double numbers by now?? All quiet out whest.
Get the popcorn and coke out lads, she'll be hundred pages long before the c**k crows in the morning ;)
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 03, 2013, 03:40:33 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 01, 2013, 08:40:11 PM
Jaysus lads, I'd have thought you Mayo buckeens would have this thread in double numbers by now?? All quiet out whest.
Get the popcorn and coke out lads, she'll be hundred pages long before the c**k crows in the morning ;)
Ah, don't be getting jealous now! Sure is it not great that we have a team worth talking about! ;D
Just home...initial thoughts..
Positives - Feeney, Caff, AOS, Micky Conroy, Doherty.
Negatives - Kevin Mc wasted in FF line, McHale struggled, Cunniffe too but was on O'Sullivan to be fair to him and a bit rusty.
Wouldn't read much into Kerry, toothless in 2nd but missing big hitters.
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 03, 2013, 03:40:33 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 01, 2013, 08:40:11 PM
Jaysus lads, I'd have thought you Mayo buckeens would have this thread in double numbers by now?? All quiet out whest.
Get the popcorn and coke out lads, she'll be hundred pages long before the c**k crows in the morning ;)
You've already crowed. ;D
Quote from: ballinaman on February 03, 2013, 04:19:52 PM
Just home...initial thoughts..
Positives - Feeney, Caff, AOS, Micky Conroy, Doherty.
Negatives - Kevin Mc wasted in FF line, McHale struggled, Cunniffe too but was on O'Sullivan to be fair to him and a bit rusty.
Wouldn't read much into Kerry, toothless in 2nd but missing big hitters.
Agree with that. Conroy was slightly off the pace last season, as he joined the squad late. I'm expecting more from him this year. Doherty enjoyed the free taking responsibilities.
We were helped by a developing Kerry side, who will have a different look come the summer. The sending off was the ending of the game as a game and helped the Mayo Scoreline.
Two points in the bag, a few lessons learned!
Quote from: ballinaman on February 03, 2013, 04:19:52 PM
Just home...initial thoughts..
Positives - Feeney, Caff, AOS, Micky Conroy, Doherty.
Negatives - Kevin Mc wasted in FF line, McHale struggled, Cunniffe too but was on O'Sullivan to be fair to him and a bit rusty.
Wouldn't read much into Kerry, toothless in 2nd but missing big hitters.
In the interview after the game Horan stated that he was impressed with McHale.
I thought the backs played very well most of the game except for a period in the first half when Kerry scored their goal. Keegan looked very good as well, Caff looks like he has gained in confidence from last year which bodes well for the upcoming year. Conroy showed well and scored a few great points.
Quote from: FL/MAYO on February 03, 2013, 04:53:49 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on February 03, 2013, 04:19:52 PM
Just home...initial thoughts..
Positives - Feeney, Caff, AOS, Micky Conroy, Doherty.
Negatives - Kevin Mc wasted in FF line, McHale struggled, Cunniffe too but was on O'Sullivan to be fair to him and a bit rusty.
Wouldn't read much into Kerry, toothless in 2nd but missing big hitters.
In the interview after the game Horan stated that he was impressed with McHale.
I thought the backs played very well most of the game except for a period in the first half when Kerry scored their goal. Keegan looked very good as well, Caff looks like he has gained in confidence from last year which bodes well for the upcoming year. Conroy showed well and scored a few great points.
I heard that but I wouldn't expect him to criticise a young guy making one of his first few starts in the last year. Just thought he lacked a bit of pace, O'Donoghue had the better of him for a spell when Kerry looked dangerous.
All in all, a good day at the office. Would have liked to have seen Cathal Freeman get the full game. If Alan Freeman could hold the ball better he would be a serious theat inside.
Don't know how different Kerry will be come Summer. Today's result is about the absolute level they'll be at this year. The rebuilding will take more than a single spring and I'm not all that sure it's properly began even now.
The team Kerry lined out with today would be lucky to beat any Div 1 side they will be better once Eoin Brosnan, Colm Cooper,Paul Galvin,Kieran Donaghy,David Moran and Donnacha Walsh return. Mayo should get one of the semi final spots.
Quote from: Syferus on February 03, 2013, 05:23:18 PM
Don't know how different Kerry will be come Summer. Today's result is about the absolute level they'll be at this year. The rebuilding will take more than a single spring and I'm not all that sure it's properly began even now.
Kerry will be there or thereabouts.
They've a lot of men to come back.
Mayo's target this year is Sam. Cafferkey got talked into admitting this in his post match interview.
Quote from: orangeman on February 03, 2013, 06:10:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 03, 2013, 05:23:18 PM
Don't know how different Kerry will be come Summer. Today's result is about the absolute level they'll be at this year. The rebuilding will take more than a single spring and I'm not all that sure it's properly began even now.
Kerry will be there or thereabouts.
They've a lot of men to come back.
Mayo's target this year is Sam. Cafferkey got talked into admitting this in his post match interview.
There or thereabouts, sure, but it's pretty clear that for the first time in many years Kerry are off the pace of the top four and in my mind Kildare would probably run them ragged if they met in the championship. Not challenging for the AI is absolutely no where to the Kingdom and the problems that exist seem very much to be the ones that will only be solved when younger players develop and mature. With so many of the old faces still there that process is going to be slower than it needs to be.
Based on Tyrone and Kildare's early season form, as well as the obvious quality of Donegal, Cork and Dublin, it's going to be a battle for Kerry to survive in Division 1 now, nevermind make a semi-final.
Just in myself, had things to do. Yes, a win is a win and all that, but Kerry were poison in the second half. Especially after the sending off. However, I'm not convinced it was ALL about the sending off either. I thought the backs were excellent, granted McHale may have been a bit slow and Cunniffe was probably left on Darran O'Sullivan for too long, but the rest did their jobs very well. The two O'Sheas were holding their own in the middle before the sending off too. 0-13 by the inside forward line (albeit 6 frees) is a good return. We have just got to keep that up for now.
Fair play to Billy Fitz for giving Richie Feeney man of the match on the radio, although Caff deserved his one too from TG4, I thought Feeney was immense. I would worry for Kerry though. The youngsters they had out there don't seem to step up to the mark. I know they will more than likely be there or thereabouts when the main action comes around, but any injuries to key players and it could be a different story.
Quote from: orangeman on February 03, 2013, 06:10:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 03, 2013, 05:23:18 PM
Don't know how different Kerry will be come Summer. Today's result is about the absolute level they'll be at this year. The rebuilding will take more than a single spring and I'm not all that sure it's properly began even now.
Kerry will be there or thereabouts.
They've a lot of men to come back.
Mayo's target this year is Sam. Cafferkey got talked into admitting this in his post match interview.
Well it has to be the target, hasn t it.
A lot of positives for us. And some old failings persist.
The positives I d take from it apart from usual huger and attitude were the very good displays of several players. Most have been mentioned already but I d include Higgins also and I d have Boyle as runner-up to Caff. as mom. AOS too was the man. His kick passes were very impressive in first half.
Some lads struggled. Unfortunately Cathal Freeman seems to be struggling to get to the pace of the game, which is a pity considering his creativity. Cunniffe was very ropey.
I think Keegan will be needed at 6 later. Feeney more effective as a working hf. If another convert is likely to work as a hf then Boyle is the obvious choice. He already has history as a very effective operator in the forwards.
Also disappointed with the amount of scores we still concede by turning over softish ball.
Kerry ll be grand later. As well as those already mentioned there s likes of Tomás and Declan O Sullivan to bring back too. Only question mark about Kerry is if they still have the legs in the older bucks. I suppose todays game showed that the second Kerry string are very ordinary compared to the vintage crop we ve been used to.
Quote from: orangeman on February 03, 2013, 06:10:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 03, 2013, 05:23:18 PM
Don't know how different Kerry will be come Summer. Today's result is about the absolute level they'll be at this year. The rebuilding will take more than a single spring and I'm not all that sure it's properly began even now.
Kerry will be there or thereabouts.
They've a lot of men to come back.
Mayo's target this year is Sam. Cafferkey got talked into admitting this in his post match interview.
Kerry will be lost again I bet. Mayo have to aim for Sam this year. All that experience now and
they have to push on.
Quote from: seafoid on February 03, 2013, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: orangeman on February 03, 2013, 06:10:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 03, 2013, 05:23:18 PM
Don't know how different Kerry will be come Summer. Today's result is about the absolute level they'll be at this year. The rebuilding will take more than a single spring and I'm not all that sure it's properly began even now.
Kerry will be there or thereabouts.
They've a lot of men to come back.
Mayo's target this year is Sam. Cafferkey got talked into admitting this in his post match interview.
Kerry will be lost again I bet. Mayo have to aim for Sam this year. All that experience now and
they have to push on.
Doh, Of course they have to push on for Sam this year. What other aim is there? Ok, a league title would be nice. The Age profile of the Mayo team is at a stage of Sh1t or get of the pot one. Mayo are tweaking, they are not building.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on February 02, 2013, 09:10:16 AM
Should win this one if we are going anywhere. 5+ points.
Much as predicted. Kerry's up and coming talent is no great shakes.
Quote from: muppet on February 03, 2013, 04:46:58 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 03, 2013, 03:40:33 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 01, 2013, 08:40:11 PM
Jaysus lads, I'd have thought you Mayo buckeens would have this thread in double numbers by now?? All quiet out whest.
Get the popcorn and coke out lads, she'll be hundred pages long before the c**k crows in the morning ;)
You've already crowed. ;D
I'll be crowing twice as loud next weekend after we've collected two more points down in Cashlebar ;) :)
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 03, 2013, 09:25:20 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 03, 2013, 04:46:58 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 03, 2013, 03:40:33 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 01, 2013, 08:40:11 PM
Jaysus lads, I'd have thought you Mayo buckeens would have this thread in double numbers by now?? All quiet out whest.
Get the popcorn and coke out lads, she'll be hundred pages long before the c**k crows in the morning ;)
You've already crowed. ;D
I'll be crowing twice as loud next weekend after we've collected two more points down in Cashlebar ;) :)
Hmmm. Ye used to struggle to do that when ye had a good team ;) ;)
There was a policy of going easy on ye for a number of years following the regular psychological trauma you experienced down in Croke Park. However, it now looks like the green and red mean business so we'll come at you with all guns blazing.
Mayo 2-15 Tyrone 1-06
:o
Good performance from Mayo all over the pitch. I taught they were going to be a bit rusty considering they are only back training a couple of weeks but not a bit of it.
Great performances all over the pitch. Players who stood out are Clarke, Cafferkey Higgins, Doherty, Aiden O Shea, Feeney, Conroy
Aiden O Shea was savage. On numerous occasions the Kerry lads could do nothing but foul him. He must have picked up at least 15 frees and could have had the same again. He is also developing into a great leader on the field and is surely in line to be a future captain.
Cafferkey got man of the match and its hard to argue with this. He has developed into a fine footballer and his performances last year seem to have given him a real confidence boost.
Delighted for Doherty. He is under a lot of pressure for this league campaign. Rightly or wrongly he has got a lot of stick the last 6 months but showed a lot of intent for the year ahead especially with the free taking one of which was a 45 against a strong wind. He needs to be played on the full forward line. When he drifted out the pitch in the second half he wasn't as effective.
Kerry were very poor. It all good and well saying that the big guns were missing but who from todays team is going to help Kerry improve on last year. Dont forget Mayo were missing Andy Moran, Kevin Keane, Donal Vaughan, Alan Dillon, Cillian O'Connor and Barry Moran started on the bench. I know it s Kerry and you cant rule them out but they really were poor today.
As I watched the game I wondered was Joe Brollys foul counter still working because surely Kerry's performance today would have blown it off the richter scale.
I had the pleasure of tuning into that alp Tommy Carr on the way home. He reckons that Kerry are going to have to change there whole style and even the club game would have to change in Kerry if they are to keep up with modern tactics. So it seems the Kerry men had to bring in the the man who helped create the most cynical team in football to help them move up to this new level of cynicism. Cian O Neill you have your work cut out because we all know that them Kerry bucks just arent able for that carry on.
PS. Mighty that for once my heart was right and my head was wrong and had the pleasure of relieving paddy power fo €200
Quote from: Mayo Mick on February 03, 2013, 08:05:36 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on February 02, 2013, 09:10:16 AM
Should win this one if we are going anywhere. 5+ points.
Much as predicted. Kerry's up and coming talent is no great shakes.
just wondering... are you basing this assessment on this one game they've played together? they're a developing side after all.
Quote from: Syferus on February 02, 2013, 04:21:25 PM
Quote from: catchandkick on February 02, 2013, 12:47:19 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 02, 2013, 04:54:32 AM
Quote from: catchandkick on February 02, 2013, 02:37:38 AM
Quote from: Sam2011 on February 02, 2013, 12:02:34 AM
10) Lee Keegan - Westport
11) Richie Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
Have these boys ever played in the forwards in their lives?
Crazy stuff. Modern management eh?
Makes it easier for a weak Kerry half back line when they are marking Mayo half backs.
You do understand the concept of sweepers, right!?
Naming two half-backs and half-forwards is invariably about strengthening defense at the expense of offense.
Mayo do not have a marquee forward in the class of an O'Neill, Cooper or Bernard Brogan.
Playing with four recognised forwards instead of six and further reducing your scoring threat seems like shooting yourself in the foot somewhat.
They do when Andy Moran is fit. I'd rate him above O'Neill and take him above Brogan every time too . Brogan is a flair player but he's not a leader or someone with the vision of Moran, Moran makes everyone around him far better than Brogan does. Moran's ability to score himself has become pretty special in the last few years too - he just isn't as selfish as Brogan and plays others into the game far more. I should say that's not a huge slight on Brogan because most of the time he can be relied on to get the shots he takes, but anyone can tell you that plenty of times they're not the percentage options.
If you meant right now given his injury, sure, but in absolute terms Mayo have a forward every bit deserving of being part of that top-tier.
Andy Moran is a fine player no doubt. He's not better than O'Neill or Brogan though.
Feeney played well at centre forward, looks like he could have a role at centre forward.
Keegan , I don't think so, although in his defence it is an easier transition from being a back to a central forward position ( Like CF or FF) than is to a wing or corner forward position.
Quote from: criostlinn on February 03, 2013, 09:37:49 PM
Good performance from Mayo all over the pitch. I taught they were going to be a bit rusty considering they are only back training a couple of weeks but not a bit of it.
Great performances all over the pitch. Players who stood out are Clarke, Cafferkey Higgins, Doherty, Aiden O Shea, Feeney, Conroy
Aiden O Shea was savage. On numerous occasions the Kerry lads could do nothing but foul him. He must have picked up at least 15 frees and could have had the same again. He is also developing into a great leader on the field and is surely in line to be a future captain.
Cafferkey got man of the match and its hard to argue with this. He has developed into a fine footballer and his performances last year seem to have given him a real confidence boost.
Delighted for Doherty. He is under a lot of pressure for this league campaign. Rightly or wrongly he has got a lot of stick the last 6 months but showed a lot of intent for the year ahead especially with the free taking one of which was a 45 against a strong wind. He needs to be played on the full forward line. When he drifted out the pitch in the second half he wasn't as effective.
Kerry were very poor. It all good and well saying that the big guns were missing but who from todays team is going to help Kerry improve on last year. Dont forget Mayo were missing Andy Moran, Kevin Keane, Donal Vaughan, Alan Dillon, Cillian O'Connor and Barry Moran started on the bench. I know it s Kerry and you cant rule them out but they really were poor today.
As I watched the game I wondered was Joe Brollys foul counter still working because surely Kerry's performance today would have blown it off the richter scale.
I had the pleasure of tuning into that alp Tommy Carr on the way home. He reckons that Kerry are going to have to change there whole style and even the club game would have to change in Kerry if they are to keep up with modern tactics. So it seems the Kerry men had to bring in the the man who helped create the most cynical team in football to help them move up to this new level of cynicism. Cian O Neill you have your work cut out because we all know that them Kerry bucks just arent able for that carry on.
PS. Mighty that for once my heart was right and my head was wrong and had the pleasure of relieving paddy power fo €200
Would agree with that, but am I the only one around that has any time for Boyle?
Tommy/ Tom Carr was always somebody s idea of making football depressing.
Fair play with Paddy Power. Just shows how many suckers bet on Kerry every time, that those odds were out there. Mayo beat a stronger Kerry away last year and after all that has happened since we get Kerry lads, in nappies, odds-on to win in Castlebar. Nice one. Soft cash. Means I can get a painter in in Spring.
Good to win.If AoS keeps taking the ball into tackles then we've learned little from last year- how many times yday did he get turned over.His skill is in winning ball ,where he has few equals, but giving
it away so cheaply has me pulling out the last few ribs left on me head
QuoteI would worry for Kerry though
I wouldn't. Keeping them down for 20 years wouldn't be enough!
Good performance yesterday in poor conditions.
Some rambling points.....................
We are still looking for a No. 6 I would love to see Lee Keegan get a run of games there, his distribution is top draw and he seems to me to have the positional sense to play centrally.
Tom Cunniffe seems to always have a big mistake in him, always looks lose on the ball and and liable to lose it in contact. I personally would hate to see him starting in a championship match.
I would love to see a Back six at some stage of the league with Keane, Caff, McHale, Higgins, Keegan and Boyle.
What did ye all think of Richie Feeney yesterday? I thought he was poor enough after a good opening 15 mins, I couldn't believe that Billy fits gave him man MoM ahead of Conroy and Caff. He looked slow on the ball and to me doesn't seem to have the pace to be playing No. 11, good squad player but that would be it in my mind.
Cathal Freeman was anonymous, didn't look up to it and also seems to lack pace, he couldn't get into the game.
Quote from: sans pessimism on February 04, 2013, 08:17:34 AM
Good to win.If AoS keeps taking the ball into tackles then we've learned little from last year- how many times yday did he get turned over.His skill is in winning ball ,where he has few equals, but giving
it away so cheaply has me pulling out the last few ribs left on me head
Strange comment. Did he lose the ball once going into the tackle? My view on it was how strong he was driving them out of the way. Powerful display.
One thing that struck me from this game was the leadership that Cafferkey displays. He is constantly communicating with the rest of the defence and was very vocal in praising good work in the forward line. As well as being a fine player I think he displays the type of confidence and leadership that can only be a positive for Mayo. Future captain for sure.
I though Aiden O'Se was very strong the the tackle and rarely failed to burst through them. He drew a huge number of frees. The only point I'd make is that he shouldn't get too used to trying to take the ball through tackles. Teams like Cork, Kildare, Dublin and ourselves will not be as easily brushed off as some of the Kerry lads were yesterday. Plus Aiden has the vision and skill to distribute the ball well - that should be his first option.
I met a few German lads at the game and gave them a brief run-down on the rules and the scoring. Pity about the weather and the standard of football but they seemed happy enough.
Quote from: RMDrive on February 04, 2013, 03:02:53 PM
One thing that struck me from this game was the leadership that Cafferkey displays. He is constantly communicating with the rest of the defence and was very vocal in praising good work in the forward line. As well as being a fine player I think he displays the type of confidence and leadership that can only be a positive for Mayo. Future captain for sure.
I though Aiden O'Se was very strong the the tackle and rarely failed to burst through them. He drew a huge number of frees. The only point I'd make is that he shouldn't get too used to trying to take the ball through tackles. Teams like Cork, Kildare, Dublin and ourselves will not be as easily brushed off as some of the Kerry lads were yesterday. Plus Aiden has the vision and skill to distribute the ball well - that should be his first option.
I met a few German lads at the game and gave them a brief run-down on the rules and the scoring. Pity about the weather and the standard of football but they seemed happy enough.
As I said in my previous post,Aidans strength is his fielding.
Catch and give-he tends to take the ball into tackles when theres no need.
As RM says, further down the line is when this will cause problems.
Now is the time to put these tweaks into practice.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 04, 2013, 02:52:23 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on February 04, 2013, 08:17:34 AM
Good to win.If AoS keeps taking the ball into tackles then we've learned little from last year- how many times yday did he get turned over.His skill is in winning ball ,where he has few equals, but giving
it away so cheaply has me pulling out the last few ribs left on me head
Strange comment. Did he lose the ball once going into the tackle? My view on it was how strong he was driving them out of the way. Powerful display.
That's a view I share. He was great yesterday imo.
Later than planned but tactical analysis of Mayo's win over Kerry now up http://action81.com/blog/?p=6648
Bit harsh ?? Bate a point a man ? That's humiliation, not defeat.
Some time after what little dust was risen in the first place had settled back down on MacHale Park on Sunday, the former Kerry midfielder Ambrose O'Donovan was delivering his critique back to the listeners of Radio Kerry from the top of the stand in Castlebar.
With Dublin in Killarney seven days later, Ambrose had a chilling message from the trenches for those who had not been there to witness it themselves.
Play like that again, he warned, and they'd lose by "a point a man".
Kerry lose to Dublin by a point a man? In Killarney?
With none of the established veterans due to report back for duty by Sunday – one of their better performers Johnny Buckley returns to Dr Crokes for preparations for their All-Ireland club semi-final the following weekend – Kerry's young players must dig themselves out of the hole they find themselves in after returning their lowest score since the nine points posted against Tyrone in the drawn 2007 league match in Tralee.
Much and all as Eamonn Fitzmaurice and his management might like to add the names of Cooper, O'Sullivan, O'Sullivan, Brosnan and Donaghy to their team sheet next Sunday, maybe it's best that this is the way for now.
stellar
Eventually, Kerry football is going to have to stay standing without the crutch of some of Gaelic football's stellar names over the last decade propping them up.
When the cavalry does arrive after club championship business is wrapped up, honeymoons are over and wear and tear eases off, Kerry will be fine. Panic over for this year anyway.
But beyond that? Maybe last Sunday was a vision of what the future might be like. Failing to score in an entire half of football, albeit against a strong wind, was something the most seasoned of Kerry observers couldn't recall before.
The striking thing was that Mayo didn't have to be even close to their best to establish a six-point cushion. They were at their ease, always looking like they had a bit in hand.
"I wasn't concerned about the result, it was much more the performance," said O'Donovan yesterday. "And I would be concerned about the future beyond those quality players missing on Sunday.
"Maybe too many of them were tried at the same time. But in fairness to Eamonn, he didn't have a lot of other options."
They have always found a way to recover from these type of defeats. But perhaps the old certainty that Kerry may not always produce great teams at underage level but will always produce great players may be just beginning to wear a little thin now.
During his second term in charge Jack O'Connor felt compelled to coax a number of players out of retirement. With Mike McCarthy and Eoin Brosnan it worked, with Sean O'Sullivan it didn't. That Jack felt compelled to think that way in the first place suggested a quality deficit as much as it signalled his great instinct that there was more in those who came back.
Kerry's underage record in Munster over the last decade doesn't make for overly-encouraging reading. One Munster U-21 title, translated into All-Ireland success in 2008, stands alone in that grade but at minor level there have been provincial titles in 2004, 2006, 2008 and 2009.
The subsequent contribution from the pillars of that U-21 team has been somewhat limited. Tommy Walsh has been in Australia since winning his 2009 All-Ireland medal, David Moran has been two years battling cruciate ligament injuries and, despite a return to training, a competitive comeback is still some time away yet.
Maybe underage honours don't really matter in the greater scheme of things. The progression of great young teams is not a linear business.
But it can provide a rough guide as to what's ahead and for Kerry it doesn't paint an optimistic picture in the medium term.
The cliff that lurks beyond the current raft of thirtysomethings who continue to hold it together may be steeper than anyone previously thought.
Not since the landmark All-Ireland semi-final against Tyrone in 2003 have they failed to score more than six points in a match.
Only James O'Donoghue's well-taken goal elevated them above that tally against Mayo, his burst through two defenders a rare spark of class from a Kerry player.
O'Donoghue will continue to establish a foothold in the months ahead while Buckley can also measure up as decent cover for either Bryan Sheehan or Anthony Maher. Peter Crowley still looks capable of picking up one of the three positions in defence that are up for grabs.
The dearth of real quality on their bench was never more apparent last August when Sheehan and Brosnan were forced off with injuries and momentum was lost.
There is always a temptation to over-play a Kerry defeat of this nature, rare as they are, because of the high standards they set for themselves. When O'Connor lost his first game in charge to Longford in 2004 he recalled hoping how the ground would swallow him up before they got back to Kerry.
It's just as well then that Fitzmaurice is an unflappable sort of character. His post-match assessment of one of Kerry's most disappointing league days in a long time was delivered with good grace, honesty and composure.
Kerry will need a lot of those qualities this week as the visit of Dublin takes on added significance.
Irish Independent
For anyone who fancies Dublin to take Kerry, they're available at evens on PP.......
Is the Kerry v Dublin game on TG4??