Might as well get a thread started on this game, seeing as it's only 'round the corner.....
Big game ahead for Tyrone, and sure we owe them a beating at this stage !!
Tyrone by 4....
ye are a w**ker for starting this so early
Ballybofey or Omagh?
Quote from: theticklemister on October 04, 2012, 08:27:03 PM
ye are a w**ker for starting this so early
Sure it will get us through the dark days of winter !!
The teams will already have met in the league by then, and maybe McKenna Cup too.
Quote from: give her dixie on October 04, 2012, 08:38:25 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on October 04, 2012, 08:27:03 PM
ye are a w**ker for starting this so early
Sure it will get us through the dark days of winter !!
I may have to give ye my apologies because I am in England and missing the GAA like hell, so any we thing to keep the spirits up would be great!
Quote from: J70 on October 04, 2012, 08:44:49 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on October 04, 2012, 08:30:58 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 04, 2012, 08:29:54 PM
Ballybofey or Omagh?
Clones
It's a quarter final. Unless they're expecting an early start to the bandwagons?
There'll be massive interest in this one. Donegal AI champs ... closest game in 2012 against Tyrone ... Master tactician Harte vs up and coming Jim ... Tyrone (hopefully for them) without this years injury setbacks ...
I hope it's in Ballybofey but Clones is likely I'd say.
wont matter at all about all the crying from donegal wans to host it at the 18,000 seater sean mccaumhill; this wan is going to clones, they will easily get 36,000 for this one.
I think the ground at Ballybofey has to be the worst in Ulster
McCool park capacity down to 12-13k afaik. Clones seems certain.
Quote from: RMDrive on October 04, 2012, 09:08:42 PM
McCool park capacity down to 12-13k afaik. Clones seems certain.
Donegal v Derry Saturday 16th June 2012 in Ballybofey: Attendance:
11, 207http://donegalnews.com/2012/03/04/ballybofey-could-lose-so-much-more-than-capacity/
THE recent news that Sean MacCumhaill Park in Ballybofey is to have its capacity dramatically slashed to 12,250 is worrying on so many levels.
The cut in the capacity of Donegal's number 1 county ground comes as a result of the Slattery report. The Slattery report was conducted by a body commissioned by the GAA to look into the health and safety aspects in 35 intercounty GAA grounds.
A cumulative 27 per cent decrease in capacity across the board has been recommended by the authors and it leaves the GAA down more than 200,000 places in terms of capacity.
MacCumhaill Park was one of the last to learn its fate. Previously, Kerry chiefs learned that Fitzgerald Stadium in Killarney would be cut by 13,000, the same with Cork's Pairc Ui Chaoimh. Connacht grounds were particularly badly hit as Roscommon's Hyde Park drops by around 15,000 and Pairc Sean MacDiarmada in Leitrim will shed some 9,331 places – more than a third.
This news serves as a hammer blow to Donegal GAA officials – who were gearing up for a possible home game in MacCumhaill Park for the seventh year in a row. The way the Championship draw panned out, Donegal were handed a preliminary round game away to Cavan. The reward for a win at Breffni Park was to be a home game in Derry, the Ulster Champions Donegal set for home advantage with the side they defeated in last summer's final – a game that would have attracted a sell-out crowd to the Finnside venue.
"I don't want to tempt fate, but if we overcome Cavan, I'm not sure if we could hold the Derry game in Ballybofey," was the grim confirmation of Donegal Chairman PJ McGowan last week.
"We have a big support and we are the Ulster champions and Derry have a reasonable good support too.
"It's a repeat of last year's Ulster final and given our run last season, there will be a big interest in that game and 12,000 capacity may not be enough to accommodate all those wanting to got to the game.
"If we were to draw say Tyrone or one of the big teams in the championship, there is no way we would be able to stage the game in MacCumhaill Park. It simply would not have the capacity."
This comes just a couple of years after massive upgrade work was done at the venue. Over half a million was spend upgrading the venue to have a capacity of 21,385, but now just over half of that figure would be permitted to attend the ground on any one matchday.
When it was last transformed, a once dishevelled-looking stand was turned into a modern facility, complete with bucket seating – and the splendid green and gold seating now really adds to the look of the place. In addition to the much-needed surgery to the stand, a whole host of other works were carried out to bring MacCumhaill Park up to spec: a VIP block was added to the rear of the stand, the River End terrace was reconstructed; new ball stops were erected; additional toilets were added to the stand side; toilet facilities were upgraded at the River End; a new turnstile block was installed on the terrace side; with a new-fangled computerised turnstile system put in place.
That was just three years ago and that work was carried out to bring the ground up to scratch in order to host the first round championship clash with Antrim. Now, it seems, as if the work was in vain.
It is hard to fathom that the health and safety of the ground deteriorated so much in three years. "While I don't want for one minute to take health and safety issues lightly, I find the decision surprising as we made improvements to the ground to meet the required standards," said PJ McGowan.
Indeed, it is hard to find fault with that. It should be noted at this point that the ground is in need of some repair, however. The exterior of the ground and the approaches to the turnstiles could be doing with a much-needed facelift – what a covering of tarmacadam would do for the carpark at the dressing rooms/club house end.
And the exterior of the ground on the Stranorlar side would also benefit from a little clean up, but that isn't the core issue here. It is that the venue's capacity has been cut on health and safety grounds by some six thousand.
I am a regular attendee at Sean MacCumhaill Park and find it hard to see where that figure is plucked from. It doesn't, to me anyhow, seem
unsafe. But for a few tweaks, minor ones at that, it's hard to see how the authors of the report could come up with such a cut. On the face of it, would it be unreasonable to suggest that it is Health and Safety gone a step too far?
I haven't seen the Slattery Report's findings mind you, so perhaps this column could be torn to pieces by those who penned it.
But it will be a sad day for the GAA in Donegal if we arrive at a time when Sean MacCumhaill Park is no longer fit for the purpose of staging a Championship game.
It will be sadder too for Ballybofey as a whole. Indeed, the Twin Towns of Ballybofey and Stranorlar benefit so much from the staging of a big game in the summer it would tear away one of the core fabrics of the towns – which were recently classed by former Mayor of Donegal Cllr Cora Harvey as 'the sporting capital of Donegal'.
Ballybofey is a town, like many others of its size, in decline in many ways. It has suffered from the closure of many establishments which seemed at one time to be 'part of the furniture' and now the absence of Championship Sunday would come as a telling blow to many of its remaining businesses.
Ballybofey on Championship Sunday is a heartening sight, which outlines on so many levels the goodness that sport can bring to a town.
Tommy Gallen of the Villa Rose Hotel on Ballybofey's Main Street says that Championship Sunday when Donegal are in MacCumhaill Park is their 'biggest day of the year by a mile'.
He says: "It is the biggest for bar trade, the biggest for food, everyone gets a turn out of it – that is the beauty about it. No matter what team comes, Derry, Tyrone, Armagh, whoever, there is no doubt that it's the biggest day of the year."
Hotels, shops, bars, B&Bs, everybody right down to the chip van, the ice cream man would suffer without that.
The day when the cries from those poor souls whose offerings of 'hats, flags, caps and headbands' remind us that the big show has come to town as we filter over the bridge, down the Main Street or across from Chestnut Road are no more will be a lamentable one.
Making it an all ticket event would sort out any over crowding issues, Has be to Ballybofey
Quote from: endk17 on October 04, 2012, 09:26:01 PM
Making it an all ticket event would sort out any over crowding issues, Has be to Ballybofey
i think there would be a lot of disappointed people if this was the case. but only having 12,000 people into see this fascinating game would be shooting themselves in the foot. If the match went to Clones could the Donegal board still not get all the gate receipts? They would get 36,000 easily.
Im over the moon that we are at home, Celtic Park to my knowledge has not been packed since 1994 for a game, when indeed we played Down! this game may not be a sell out but it'll be the best crowd we would have had for years.
Would love this to take place in Ballybofey.
Will the supporters be segregated for this game ?
Quote from: theticklemister on October 04, 2012, 09:33:28 PM
i think there would be a lot of disappointed people if this was the case. but only having 12,000 people into see this fascinating game would be shooting themselves in the foot. If the match went to Clones could the Donegal board still not get all the gate receipts? They would get 36,000 easily.
Im over the moon that we are at home, Celtic Park to my knowledge has not been packed since 1994 for a game, when indeed we played Down! this game may not be a sell out but it'll be the best crowd we would have had for years.
Absolutely there will be a lot of disappointed people but wasn't there lots of very disappointed people only 11 days ago trying to get tickets for the final. It happened in 2005 with Armagh but this time round being champs surely Donegal would possess a bit more clout and tell the Ulster council to get te. Not sure how much or what % they would stand to net from gates at Clones. But in this case it wouldn't be about that; running out onto your home pitch as Champs would be special and in my view should not be relinquished regardless.
If the DL county board were to act quickly on this one it wouldn't take much to sort out the few things that the Slattery report wants fixing, meaning that the effective capacity of Ballybofey would be just under 20K. And there is time like.
Quote from: ONeill on October 04, 2012, 09:37:43 PM
Would love this to take place in Ballybofey.
Exactly, hope that's the way it tunes out.
tyrone up first should make donegal think twice about partying like it's 1992.
Quote from: endk17 on October 04, 2012, 09:44:47 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on October 04, 2012, 09:33:28 PM
i think there would be a lot of disappointed people if this was the case. but only having 12,000 people into see this fascinating game would be shooting themselves in the foot. If the match went to Clones could the Donegal board still not get all the gate receipts? They would get 36,000 easily.
Im over the moon that we are at home, Celtic Park to my knowledge has not been packed since 1994 for a game, when indeed we played Down! this game may not be a sell out but it'll be the best crowd we would have had for years.
Absolutely there will be a lot of disappointed people but wasn't there lots of very disappointed people only 11 days ago trying to get tickets for the final. It happened in 2005 with Armagh but this time round being champs surely Donegal would possess a bit more clout and tell the Ulster council to get te. Not sure how much or what % they would stand to net from gates at Clones. But in this case it wouldn't be about that; running out onto your home pitch as Champs would be special and in my view should not be relinquished regardless.
If the DL county board were to act quickly on this one it wouldn't take much to sort out the few things that the Slattery report wants fixing, meaning that the effective capacity of Ballybofey would be just under 20K. And there is time like.
I WAS THINKING THERE WITH MY COUNTY BOARD CHAIRMAN'S HAT ON THERE! I WOULD BE ALL FOR A HOME TIE FOR DONEGAL, LIKE EVERY OTHER COUNTY.
What can they do to the ground? there is limited space around the actual area to make bigger or indeed safer.
Any money we have must be pumped into the COE in convoy. McCool park will have to wait.
Quote from: theticklemister on October 04, 2012, 09:33:28 PM
I WAS THINKING THERE WITH MY COUNTY BOARD CHAIRMAN'S HAT ON THERE! I WOULD BE ALL FOR A HOME TIE FOR DONEGAL, LIKE EVERY OTHER COUNTY.
What can they do to the ground? there is limited space around the actual area to make bigger or indeed safer.
I'm not certain on this now, and would happily be corrected if someone knows more, but I think that the capacity was reduced on health and safety grounds relating to the lack of 'proper' exits and surfacing of the entrance roads.
Donegal plan upgrade to ensure Tyrone home tie
Donegal chairman PJ McGowan has vowed the county will fight to retain home advantage for next year's Ulster championship showdown with Tyrone.
The stand-out fixture from Thursday night's draw has paired the All-Ireland champions against the team they have displaced as the new superpower in Ulster, and with a huge attendance expected, there has been early speculation that the tie will be switched from Ballybofey to Clones.
Donegal have fared well in the draw in recent years, playing an Ulster championship game in MacCumhaill Park every year since 2006.
Despite the fact the Slattery Report reduced the capacity of the venue to around 12,500 this year, McGowan is confident county chiefs can get it back up to around 18,000, which he feels will satisfy the demand.
He said: "It is a massive game. Tyrone will be absolutely huge opponents in the first round, but it's difficult to estimate the attendance. Would the attendance be much more than 18,000 for a first round game? I wonder.
"No doubt we will have to sit down and discuss it with the Ulster Council, but obviously we want to retain our home advantage and run out at MacCumhaill Park as defending All-Ireland champions."
Ballybofey's capacity was cut this year because of difficulties with some crush barriers not being continuous and the inconsistent levels of steps.
Donegal County Board spent around €500,000 smackeroonies upgrading MacCumhaill Park several years ago as a result of findings from a previous report and subsequently boasted a capacity of just over 21,000.
However, the reduced capacity venue was still big enough to house the first round clash with Derry this year, which drew just over 11,000 to Ballybofey on a Saturday night.
McGowan claimed: "The capacity of a lot of grounds was reduced because of the Slattery Report — including Clones. We spent a lot of money and complied with the findings of a previous report only to find that the Slattery Report had changed things again.
"We won't make any short-cuts when it comes to the safety of spectators and teams but we believe only minor changes will be needed to get Ballybofey back to its proper capacity of around 18,000. We're confident that will be adequate."
Donegal will 'fight tooth and nail' to host Tyrone
DONEGAL GAA Secretary Aodh Mairtín Ó Fearraigh says that the Co Board will 'fight tooth and nail' to ensure that Seán Mac Cumhaill Park in Ballybofey is given the green light to stage Donegal's 2013 Ulster Championship Quarter Final with Tyrone.
Donegal manager Jim McGuinness has already appealed for his players to be given the chance to run out on their home turf as the defending Ulster and All Ireland Champions for a high-octane clash that is already the talk of the town.
The capacity of the venue was slashed recently as the Slattery report docked the top-line figure to around 12,500 from the 18,500 it had previously been able to accommodate.
Despite reports this week that the game was slipping from Ballybofey's clutches, the Co Secretary has re-affirmed an optimistic outlook on the prospects of Donegal staging the game at home.
"There have been attempts to set up a number of meetings and there are works ongoing in the background in relation to the game," he said.
"We will fight tooth and nail to have the Championship game against Tyrone in Ballybofey."
It is understood, however, that there are concerns about a number of aspects. However, the Board is confident that they can overcome any difficulties that arise.
At the July meeting of the Donegal county committee, Donegal's Ulster Council representative Edward Molloy warned that the issue of stewarding had to improve.
"Unless we improve, we will have a fight on our hands to host big Championship games in the future," he said.
"Stewards were asked to be there from 1.30pm to 1.45pm and some only arrived into the ground at 20 minutes to 4. The Ulster Council were not impressed with that at all.
"Some of the indications we have got back say that we have a lot to learn regarding hosting big games."
While the matter was brought up in that report by Mr Molloy, there have been no complaints made through official channels by the provincial council – and the Donegal Board remains confident that they can satisfy infrastructure chiefs about the Finnside venue's suitability.
"I don't know where a lot of the stuff about the Derry game came from," Mr Ó Fearraigh said.
"There were no major issues. There was nothing raised with us and we have not formally been made aware of any problems. I would be very surprised if one was brought up now."
Regarding the slashed capacity of Mac Cumhaill Park, it is understood that a concern of the Slattery report was in relation to the crash barriers, which were only re-installed four years ago in a major refurbishment to the venue.
"At the time, they met all the health and safety standards set down by Croke Park and the Council," Mr Ó Fearraigh noted.
The secretary would not be drawn on what works would be required at the ground, but said that there have been steps taken to set up meetings and it is understood that representatives from Ulster Council and the National Infrastructure Committee will meet with Donegal chiefs to examine the venue.
Mr Ó Fearraigh said: "We are entitled to a home game and we will do what it takes to have the game in Ballybofey."
Paddy Heaney: Don't write off Tyrone's young guns just yet
If you asked 100 Tyrone supporters to name their first choice team for this year's championship match against Donegal, you're likely to get 100 very different answers back.
In contrast, if the same question was put to 100 Donegal supporters, there would be minimal variation between the responses. No doubt, the vast majority would list the side that beat Mayo in last year's All-Ireland final as their chosen 15. When the neighbours renew acquaintances in the first round of the Ulster SFC on May 26, these contrasting situations will become obvious.
Barring injury and misfortune, Donegal should be largely unchanged from last season. Tyrone, however, will be totally overhauled.
Consider the 15 Tyrone players who lined out against Donegal in last year's Ulster semi-final. Mickey Harte's starting team was: Pascal McConnell; Conor Gormley, Conor Clarke, Aidan McCrory; Sean O'Neill, Ryan McMenamin, Dermot Carlin; Joe McMahon, Colm Cavanagh; Mattie Donnelly, Stephen O'Neill, Peter Harte; Martin Penrose, Mark Donnelly and Owen Mulligan.
From that line-up, McMenamin has retired, Sean O'Neill is not in the current squad and Mulligan's future remains uncertain. It must also be remembered that Sean Cavanagh, Kyle Coney, Justin McMahon, Cathal McCarron and Ronan O'Neill missed that fixture through injury.
At a very conservative estimate, it's safe to predict Mickey Harte will make about seven changes. Harte has just 17 weeks to build a new side and have it functioning as a fluid, cohesive unit.
Not only does he have to identify his 15 best players, he must also have them coached to a level capable of competing with a slick Donegal side entering its third year under the McGuinness administration.
At first glance, the odds appear to be stacked against the Red Hands. It could all go pear-shaped quite easily. But a very different scenario could also unfold and this is the picture Harte will be painting for his players. At the final whistle in last year's encounter, Donegal won 0-12 to 0-10. In terms of tactics and teamwork, there wasn't a great deal between the sides.
Ultimately, a lack of firepower proved to be Tyrone's undoing. When they were in their pomp, the individual brilliance of a few key players meant they often won games when the team wasn't functioning well. A blitzkrieg from Sean Cavanagh, Peter Canavan, Stephen O'Neill or Owen Mulligan would be enough to secure victory.
That nucleus of All Star quality just wasn't present in last year's team. Tyrone's forward line managed just 0-4 from play against Donegal, and half of it from Stephen O'Neill. But when Mickey Harte surveys his options, he'll be quietly optimistic his players can close that two-point gap.
The return of four-time All Star Sean Cavanagh is his single biggest boost. After missing last year's championship, he is looking fitter and stronger than ever and was Tyrone's best player in the Dr McKenna Cup.
Furthermore, in Kyle Coney, Darren McCurry and Ronan O'Neill, Tyrone should have a trio of gifted forwards who weren't available for last year's game in Clones.
The outstanding player on the Tyrone minor team, which won the All-Ireland title in 2008, Coney initially struggled to make the transition to senior football. He only found his groove in last year's league. Injury ended his season last April and although he will miss the start of the league with an ankle problem he is in line to start his first championship match in the meeting with Donegal.
Darren McCurry gave notice of his considerable talent for Tyrone's qualifier match against Roscommon with 0-4 from play off the bench in Hyde Park. More recently, the 20-year-old chalked up 0-5 during a man of the match display against Antrim in the McKenna Cup.
While Coney and McCurry are good, no-one in Tyrone has quite the same amount of potential as Ronan O'Neill. The 22-year-old is one of the most gifted young players in the country. A torn cruciate ligament ended O'Neill's season last March.
Last week he was given the green light to return to full training. With 123 days to go before Tyrone take on Donegal, O'Neill should be fit to come on as a sub.
And it's on the bench where Harte might have an advantage over McGuinness. For last year's clash, the Tyrone boss introduced Brian McGuigan, Ronan McNabb, Aidan Cassidy and Niall McKenna. McGuigan has since retired while Cassidy and McKenna are no longer in the current squad.
Given that Stephen O'Neill, Kyle Coney, Ronan O'Neill, Darren McCurry and Conor McAliskey are probably going to be competing for two positions, there is a strong chance three of those players will be in the dug out.
Even Sean Cavanagh's deployment at midfield isn't a foregone conclusion. During Tyrone's McKenna Cup game against Jordanstown, the 29-year-old demonstrated that he is still a viable option at full-forward.
Any Tyrone supporter who sits down and tries to pick a championship 15 will quickly realise the headache facing Mickey. Over the next three months, it will be fascinating to watch how he shapes and moulds this new generation.
Saturday's night's McKenna Cup final, and the seven Division 1 games will provide many answers. Closed door matches will answer many more.
En route to lifting Sam, Donegal enjoyed two-point victories over Tyrone, Kerry and Cork. Evidently, there is little to choose between these four teams, yet the bookmakers have rated Tyrone as 20/1 shots for the All-Ireland behind Kerry (7/2), Dublin (7/2), Donegal (4/1), Cork (4/1) and Mayo (10/1).
But, unlike many of their rivals, Tyrone have a much bigger capacity for improvement. Sean Cavanagh is back.
And if players like Kyle Coney, Ronan O'Neill and Darren McCurry can make the grade, then Tyrone will not be that far from the top table.
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nice bit of fishing there.
I have watched Tyrone a few times this year already. There is some serious talent on that panel. I would say there is as much individual talent as there has ever been. If Mickey can gel the team and stay injury free 20-1 is serious value.
Quote from: give her dixie on January 28, 2013, 11:57:59 PM
Paddy Heaney: Don't write off Tyrone's young guns just yet
If you asked 100 Tyrone supporters to name their first choice team for this year's championship match against Donegal, you're likely to get 100 very different answers back.
In contrast, if the same question was put to 100 Donegal supporters, there would be minimal variation between the responses. No doubt, the vast majority would list the side that beat Mayo in last year's All-Ireland final as their chosen 15. When the neighbours renew acquaintances in the first round of the Ulster SFC on May 26, these contrasting situations will become obvious.
Barring injury and misfortune, Donegal should be largely unchanged from last season. Tyrone, however, will be totally overhauled.
Consider the 15 Tyrone players who lined out against Donegal in last year's Ulster semi-final. Mickey Harte's starting team was: Pascal McConnell; Conor Gormley, Conor Clarke, Aidan McCrory; Sean O'Neill, Ryan McMenamin, Dermot Carlin; Joe McMahon, Colm Cavanagh; Mattie Donnelly, Stephen O'Neill, Peter Harte; Martin Penrose, Mark Donnelly and Owen Mulligan.
From that line-up, McMenamin has retired, Sean O'Neill is not in the current squad and Mulligan's future remains uncertain. It must also be remembered that Sean Cavanagh, Kyle Coney, Justin McMahon, Cathal McCarron and Ronan O'Neill missed that fixture through injury.
At a very conservative estimate, it's safe to predict Mickey Harte will make about seven changes. Harte has just 17 weeks to build a new side and have it functioning as a fluid, cohesive unit.
Not only does he have to identify his 15 best players, he must also have them coached to a level capable of competing with a slick Donegal side entering its third year under the McGuinness administration.
At first glance, the odds appear to be stacked against the Red Hands. It could all go pear-shaped quite easily. But a very different scenario could also unfold and this is the picture Harte will be painting for his players. At the final whistle in last year's encounter, Donegal won 0-12 to 0-10. In terms of tactics and teamwork, there wasn't a great deal between the sides.
Ultimately, a lack of firepower proved to be Tyrone's undoing. When they were in their pomp, the individual brilliance of a few key players meant they often won games when the team wasn't functioning well. A blitzkrieg from Sean Cavanagh, Peter Canavan, Stephen O'Neill or Owen Mulligan would be enough to secure victory.
That nucleus of All Star quality just wasn't present in last year's team. Tyrone's forward line managed just 0-4 from play against Donegal, and half of it from Stephen O'Neill. But when Mickey Harte surveys his options, he'll be quietly optimistic his players can close that two-point gap.
The return of four-time All Star Sean Cavanagh is his single biggest boost. After missing last year's championship, he is looking fitter and stronger than ever and was Tyrone's best player in the Dr McKenna Cup.
Furthermore, in Kyle Coney, Darren McCurry and Ronan O'Neill, Tyrone should have a trio of gifted forwards who weren't available for last year's game in Clones.
The outstanding player on the Tyrone minor team, which won the All-Ireland title in 2008, Coney initially struggled to make the transition to senior football. He only found his groove in last year's league. Injury ended his season last April and although he will miss the start of the league with an ankle problem he is in line to start his first championship match in the meeting with Donegal.
Darren McCurry gave notice of his considerable talent for Tyrone's qualifier match against Roscommon with 0-4 from play off the bench in Hyde Park. More recently, the 20-year-old chalked up 0-5 during a man of the match display against Antrim in the McKenna Cup.
While Coney and McCurry are good, no-one in Tyrone has quite the same amount of potential as Ronan O'Neill. The 22-year-old is one of the most gifted young players in the country. A torn cruciate ligament ended O'Neill's season last March.
Last week he was given the green light to return to full training. With 123 days to go before Tyrone take on Donegal, O'Neill should be fit to come on as a sub.
And it's on the bench where Harte might have an advantage over McGuinness. For last year's clash, the Tyrone boss introduced Brian McGuigan, Ronan McNabb, Aidan Cassidy and Niall McKenna. McGuigan has since retired while Cassidy and McKenna are no longer in the current squad.
Given that Stephen O'Neill, Kyle Coney, Ronan O'Neill, Darren McCurry and Conor McAliskey are probably going to be competing for two positions, there is a strong chance three of those players will be in the dug out.
Even Sean Cavanagh's deployment at midfield isn't a foregone conclusion. During Tyrone's McKenna Cup game against Jordanstown, the 29-year-old demonstrated that he is still a viable option at full-forward.
Any Tyrone supporter who sits down and tries to pick a championship 15 will quickly realise the headache facing Mickey. Over the next three months, it will be fascinating to watch how he shapes and moulds this new generation.
Saturday's night's McKenna Cup final, and the seven Division 1 games will provide many answers. Closed door matches will answer many more.
En route to lifting Sam, Donegal enjoyed two-point victories over Tyrone, Kerry and Cork. Evidently, there is little to choose between these four teams, yet the bookmakers have rated Tyrone as 20/1 shots for the All-Ireland behind Kerry (7/2), Dublin (7/2), Donegal (4/1), Cork (4/1) and Mayo (10/1).
But, unlike many of their rivals, Tyrone have a much bigger capacity for improvement. Sean Cavanagh is back.
And if players like Kyle Coney, Ronan O'Neill and Darren McCurry can make the grade, then Tyrone will not be that far from the top table.
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Is Ronan O'Neill not still U-21 this year?
Yep he is. Started in the 2010 All Ireland minor winning team. Looking forward to seeing him and McCurry in the full forward line for the u21s this year.
Quote from: EC Unique on January 29, 2013, 09:38:13 AM
I have watched Tyrone a few times this year already. There is some serious talent on that panel. I would say there is as much individual talent as there has ever been. If Mickey can gel the team and stay injury free 20-1 is serious value.
I would be amazed if Tyrone were capable of winning an All Ireland this year. I would give nothing for them winning a pre-season competition like the McKenna Cup since they were probably the only county taking it seriously in terms of trying to win it. Come championship time it will be irrelevant as to who was flying in January. I think they MIGHT challenge in 2-3 years but at the minute they have far too many untried rookie players to actually challenge for an All Ireland. They haven't seriously competed for Sam in about 4-5 years and it would take a huge leap of faith to think they could do it this year.
I think the All Ireland will be fought out between Dublin, Cork and Donegal with a slight preference for Dublin. In terms of the Ulster title I would see the winner of Tyrone v Donegal going on to lift provincial honours. I would expect Donegal to win this game.
I'm not sure the team come championship will be that untried. Unless the new boys really push themselves in the league I'd say there's only be one or 2 championship debuts. A team for example like this may end up starting:
McConnell
McRory
Clarke
Gormley
McNamee
Justy
Harte
S Cavanagh
Joe McMahon
Mattie Donnelly
Penrose
C Cavanagh
Coney
O'Neill
Ronan O'Neill/McCurry
A lot of the younger players have won underage All Irelands and have been around for a few years now and the hope would be they're ready to push on to the next level. To have any chance of winning an All Ireland though Tyrone need everyone fit and its still an outside chance.
I still think Tyrone are weak in the full back line. Clarke looks a good prospect but not entirely confident in McRory and Gormleys ability to keep dangermen quiet. What is the craic with Mattie Donnelly, seemed to be a player coming through with lots of scores in him but any time I see him play for Tyrone he is more of a work horse than anything else. How long is Conan Grugan out for?
I would expect a very tough game, again, no matter what team Tyrone put out. However, if the Donegal attitude is right and they're hungry enough (not guaranteed, obviously, having just won an AI) I would expect us to win.
Could Harte be hatching a master plan and leaning towards some kind of AISF 2003 swarm tactic for the Donegal game, match fire with fire and hit them with Donegal with an intensity they won't have experienced before or will he just go man for man. When you look back at 2003, Tyrone had a pretty young team that took intensity to another level, but it was not as evident in the Ulster Championship or the Fermanagh game. Was the tactic one that was coached by Harte or Tally, and what exactly is Horse Devlin bringing to the table. Are there any standout characteristics that he leaves on teams that he has coached?
Plenty for Tyrone to be happy about. They are going well. Fisherman Paddy Heaney is assuming though that Donegal will stay still from last year. I'd be pretty sure that things will evolve a bit more for us. Nothing dramatic but I'd be confident that there will be particular aspects that Jim will develop this year.
First on my list would be to get the ball to Tony Thompson when he's open. Don't know how many times last year that he made a brilliant burst forward into acres of space only to be missed or a bad ball played to him.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 29, 2013, 03:50:06 PM
I still think Tyrone are weak in the full back line. Clarke looks a good prospect but not entirely confident in McRory and Gormleys ability to keep dangermen quiet. What is the craic with Mattie Donnelly, seemed to be a player coming through with lots of scores in him but any time I see him play for Tyrone he is more of a work horse than anything else. How long is Conan Grugan out for?
Would also have reservations over the full back line. Guess he intends to cover it up by having men back with one of the McMahons playing as sweeper. I would be disappointed if we didn't match Donegals fitness come championship. I know that some of the players are training practically every day of the week and we've a young enough team now. Personally think this is a great draw for Tyrone.
Not sure exactly what Horse will offer. I think in recent years we've lacked a bit of fight and he seems the sort of person that will let the boys know if they're not putting their bodies on the line. He obviously was an excellent reader of the game as a player so hopefully this can be used to help the players.
How is John McCullough progressing after the 2010 AI Win?
Remember him and RoNeill teaming up nicely.
Ballybofey it is.
Quote from: drici on March 26, 2013, 09:16:08 PM
Ballybofey it is.
How? New bog roll in the toilets drici?
Place should be rocking! Biggest match in Ballybofey for years!
As mentioned on the other thread the Donegal democrate carried a story a while ago saying if the game was played in ballybofey that both county boards will only get 6000 tickets. Now don't know where that figure came from as was under the impression ballybofey will be able to hold 18000 for this game
In a neutral venue, this match would be a close call. In Ballybofey Donegal will have a decent advantage though. On paper it looks like the Ulster Final and wouldn't be at all surprised if both teams reach the last 4.
Ballybofey is a dreary enough wee ground. As a neutral I'm disappointed as its a game I would have gone to but not in Ballybofey as ill not get a ticket.
Tyrone by 4.
Donegal 0-11
Tyrone 1-12
Donegal scorers: Murphy 0-7 (0-6f, 0-1 45m), McBrearty 0-2 (0-2f), McFadden 0-2 (0-1f)
Tyrone scorers: Harte 1-2 (1-1f), S Cavanagh 0-4 (0-2f), S O'Neill 0-2 (0-1f), Penrose 0-1, Morgan 0-1 (1 45m), McAliskey 0-1, Mark Donnelly 0-1
Quote from: ck on March 26, 2013, 11:53:05 PM
Ballybofey is a dreary enough wee ground. As a neutral I'm disappointed as its a game I would have gone to but not in Ballybofey as ill not get a ticket.
Sadly I have to agree. Had great seat in 2007 but the exit from the stand was hectic and I know many who thought the standing was too dangerous for young children. I appreciate that Donegal deserve home advantage - and I hope they win - but the ground does need improvements (or did). TV will do for me!
Quote from: Throw ball on March 27, 2013, 12:18:47 AM
Quote from: ck on March 26, 2013, 11:53:05 PM
Ballybofey is a dreary enough wee ground. As a neutral I'm disappointed as its a game I would have gone to but not in Ballybofey as ill not get a ticket.
Sadly I have to agree. Had great seat in 2007 but the exit from the stand was hectic and I know many who thought the standing was too dangerous for young children. I appreciate that Donegal deserve home advantage - and I hope they win - but the ground does need improvements (or did). TV will do for me!
Wouldnt take 2007 as the standard bearer for ballybofey. That was the day the ulster council packed the terrace full as it was pay at the gate (if memory serves me right) I would easily sy there was over 20000 in it that day and ballybofey could never hold that much the terrace were an accident waiting to happen that day
Quote from: ONeill on March 27, 2013, 12:04:12 AM
Tyrone by 4.
Donegal 0-11
Tyrone 1-12
Donegal scorers: Murphy 0-7 (0-6f, 0-1 45m), McBrearty 0-2 (0-2f), McFadden 0-2 (0-1f)
Tyrone scorers: Harte 1-2 (1-1f), S Cavanagh 0-4 (0-2f), S O'Neill 0-2 (0-1f), Penrose 0-1, Morgan 0-1 (1 45m), McAliskey 0-1, Mark Donnelly 0-1
Was there many bookings?
great news.
What's with this 12000 figure? The whole point of the delay was to give Donegal time to get the ground prepared for 18000. Obviously they've achieved that if approval was granted.
Parking will be some craic but looking forward to the game.
all ticket game 17500 capacity some scramle for them as this is the ulster final
Never found parking too much bother in Ballybofey, although that's always from the Donegal Town side. Stranorlar end may be different.
Parking was grand I thought. In saying that in the Derry/Donegal qualifier a couple of years back there was maybe only 10-12k at it!
Worst parking I ever had was Omagh, although that was partly ignorance. Everyone was parking on the south side of the town on the way in from Irvinestown, so we did the same. It's about a two mile walk to Healy Park, which is not good with an elderly uncle!
Omagh is as bad as anywhere to park. Glad Donegal got the game, it was a home tie after all. Won't prevent a Tyrone win though.
It certainly gives them a good advantage nrico as being AI champs and with a passionate full house it certainly gives them a psychological edge I'd say.
Then of course if things aren't going there way early on it could lead to the opposite with fans getting frustrating and the players feeling the pressure.
When was the last time we met Donegal in Ballybofey in the first round? I've no recollection of any championship match in my time.
Anyone got any pics of how the place looks now?
Re parking in Omagh I was always lucky enough to come from the Gortin Rd side so had never to far to walk. I'm actually relieved this match isn't in Omagh as I never liked 1st round games in Omagh.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 27, 2013, 02:09:51 PM
Parking was grand I thought. In saying that in the Derry/Donegal qualifier a couple of years back there was maybe only 10-12k at it!
Yer balls. 5 thousand at most.
Quote from: theticklemister on March 27, 2013, 03:54:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 27, 2013, 02:09:51 PM
Parking was grand I thought. In saying that in the Derry/Donegal qualifier a couple of years back there was maybe only 10-12k at it!
Yer balls. 5 thousand at most.
It wasnt in Celtic park Tickle ;)
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 27, 2013, 03:45:44 PM
It certainly gives them a good advantage nrico as being AI champs and with a passionate full house it certainly gives them a psychological edge I'd say.
Then of course if things aren't going there way early on it could lead to the opposite with fans getting frustrating and the players feeling the pressure.
When was the last time we met Donegal in Ballybofey in the first round? I've no recollection of any championship match in my time.
Anyone got any pics of how the place looks now?
Re parking in Omagh I was always lucky enough to come from the Gortin Rd side so had never to far to walk. I'm actually relieved this match isn't in Omagh as I never liked 1st round games in Omagh.
Jesus lads, don't be expecting anything new! AFAIK it was only a bit of work on the terrace barriers and additional turnstiles.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 27, 2013, 03:59:14 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on March 27, 2013, 03:54:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 27, 2013, 02:09:51 PM
Parking was grand I thought. In saying that in the Derry/Donegal qualifier a couple of years back there was maybe only 10-12k at it!
Yer balls. 5 thousand at most.
It wasnt in Celtic park Tickle ;)
What year did dun na ngall beat us when Enda Lynn missed that sitter at the end to tie it up. It was a qualifier game at Ballybofey?
i have a terrible memory for things like this.
Quote from: theticklemister on March 27, 2013, 04:40:49 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 27, 2013, 03:59:14 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on March 27, 2013, 03:54:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 27, 2013, 02:09:51 PM
Parking was grand I thought. In saying that in the Derry/Donegal qualifier a couple of years back there was maybe only 10-12k at it!
Yer balls. 5 thousand at most.
It wasnt in Celtic park Tickle ;)
What year did dun na ngall beat us when Enda Lynn missed that sitter at the end to tie it up. It was a qualifier game at Ballybofey?
i have a terrible memory for things like this.
I'm gona say 2009!
P.s Quit hijacking this thread ;)
some bit of googling there.
Was at it, not a chance there were 12,000 at it Walter. Any Donegal boys confirm this??
Never googled. Us SD men know our football ;)
Was at it myself. Wile miss. Mc Kaigues equaliser at the end of normal time was a screamer!
I said 10-12, both sides were full and a few behind the town end goals.
I see from the Gaelic Life that its 40 years since Tyrone played Donegal in Ballybofey in the championship. I've no memory of them coming to Omagh either.
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 28, 2013, 10:29:11 AM
I see from the Gaelic Life that its 40 years since Tyrone played Donegal in Ballybofey in the championship. I've no memory of them coming to Omagh either.
I can't remember any championship game between them that was played anywhere but clones. Always seem to avoid each other until the semi final stage
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 28, 2013, 10:29:11 AM
I see from the Gaelic Life that its 40 years since Tyrone played Donegal in Ballybofey in the championship. I've no memory of them coming to Omagh either.
Last played in the championship in Ballybofey in 1973 and in Omagh the year later. The visitors won on each occasion.
Last championship game between Tyrone and Donegal that wasn't in Clones was, I think, the 1994 game when Tyrone won 1-15 to 0-10 in Cavan. The first big championship win from the group who won the under 21 AI's in 91 and 92.
http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/sport/local-sport/ticket-allocation-for-tyrone-game-will-fall-short-of-demand-1-4962509 (http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/sport/local-sport/ticket-allocation-for-tyrone-game-will-fall-short-of-demand-1-4962509)
Looking lke it's gonna be some scramble for tickes. Anyone who bought the gaa season ticket are laughing considering they have a ticket reserved for them.
Quote from: donegal lad on April 04, 2013, 01:38:43 PM
http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/sport/local-sport/ticket-allocation-for-tyrone-game-will-fall-short-of-demand-1-4962509 (http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/sport/local-sport/ticket-allocation-for-tyrone-game-will-fall-short-of-demand-1-4962509)
Looking lke it's gonna be some scramble for tickes. Anyone who bought the gaa season ticket are laughing considering they have a ticket reserved for them.
Will there be any general sale tickets I wonder? Wouldn't mind getting up to the game myself....
Anyone know if people outside of the counties /Ulster council can get tickets. I'd love to attend this game. Think it should be a cracking match
Lads I think you'd be lucky to get tickets for this game as they'll be a lot of disappointed Donegal and Tyrone club members who probably won't get tickets.
Had it just been an ordinary round 1 game between these two, tickets numbers would have been tight anyway but with Donegal AI champions and them being at home I'd say the demand in Donegal alone could fill the place.
Are both counties playing league matches now? Usually coming up to a first round match there's always some big story that breaks. Somebody gets sent off or injured.
Did the change the rule where if ye get set off for yer club do you miss county games as well?
Quote from: antrimlad on April 11, 2013, 04:21:56 PM
Quote from: donegal lad on April 04, 2013, 01:38:43 PM
http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/sport/local-sport/ticket-allocation-for-tyrone-game-will-fall-short-of-demand-1-4962509 (http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/sport/local-sport/ticket-allocation-for-tyrone-game-will-fall-short-of-demand-1-4962509)
Looking lke it's gonna be some scramble for tickes. Anyone who bought the gaa season ticket are laughing considering they have a ticket reserved for them.
Will there be any general sale tickets I wonder? Wouldn't mind getting up to the game myself....
From what I have heard both counties are going to get 6500 tickets (nowhere near enough to meet demand) then add in the 1800 season ticket holder (700 in donegal and 1100 in Tyrone) that gives you 14800 tickets allocated leaving roughly 2700-3000 left. Know supervalue is advertising the sale of tickets in their ballybofey shop but that hasn't been confirmed by gaa yet
Donegal Injuries summary
http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/sport/local-sport/jim-tweaks-donegal-panel-1-4999579 (http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/sport/local-sport/jim-tweaks-donegal-panel-1-4999579)
I noticed Emmet Ryan in his tactical summary mentioned Tyrone have a few injuries from the match on Sunday. Is it just Peter Harte or are there more?
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 16, 2013, 09:53:43 AM
Donegal Injuries summary
http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/sport/local-sport/jim-tweaks-donegal-panel-1-4999579 (http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/sport/local-sport/jim-tweaks-donegal-panel-1-4999579)
I noticed Emmet Ryan in his tactical summary mentioned Tyrone have a few injuries from the match on Sunday. Is it just Peter Harte or are there more?
Mattie Donnelly apparently injured too. Tyrone are currently missing Harte, Coney and Ronan O'Neill with Quinn, Carlin and Grugan all recently returning from injury.
anyone know when Ronan McNabb is due back for Tyrone?. Think he could be a crucial player to the Tyrone system if fit for championship.
Really looking forward to this one now. There will be some scramble for tickets.
Quote from: EC Unique on April 29, 2013, 11:19:31 PM
Really looking forward to this one now. There will be some scramble for tickets.
Should be some atmosphere!
Quote from: donegal lad on March 28, 2013, 02:12:58 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 28, 2013, 10:29:11 AM
I see from the Gaelic Life that its 40 years since Tyrone played Donegal in Ballybofey in the championship. I've no memory of them coming to Omagh either.
I can't remember any championship game between them that was played anywhere but clones. Always seem to avoid each other until the semi final stage
i remeber tyrone beating donegal in breffni one year. I think it must have been the 94 ulster semi final
Quote from: J70 on April 30, 2013, 12:25:26 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on April 29, 2013, 11:19:31 PM
Really looking forward to this one now. There will be some scramble for tickets.
Should be some atmosphere!
It is primed to be a cracker. All we need now is sunshine and about 27c!
Quote from: EC Unique on April 30, 2013, 01:51:20 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 30, 2013, 12:25:26 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on April 29, 2013, 11:19:31 PM
Really looking forward to this one now. There will be some scramble for tickets.
Should be some atmosphere!
It is primed to be a cracker. All we need now is sunshine and about 27c!
This is Ballybofey you're talking about - I've never been there on a dry day : It's nearly as bad as Markievicz Park in that respect
I remember that Tyrone V Donegal game at Breffni Park well
Canavan put on a performance that day, gave Matt Gallagher the round around
Karl Lacey to make his comeback appearance in a league game against Kilcar. As things stand Donegal have a fully fit squad to pick from.
Quote from: hows she cutting on April 30, 2013, 05:07:11 PM
I remember that Tyrone V Donegal game at Breffni Park well
Canavan put on a performance that day, gave Matt Gallagher the round around
Think there were a few retirements from the '92 team after that game.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on April 30, 2013, 06:33:42 PM
Karl Lacey to make his comeback appearance in a league game against Kilcar. As things stand Donegal have a fully fit squad to pick from.
Though how many of them will be match fit.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 30, 2013, 06:40:52 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on April 30, 2013, 06:33:42 PM
Karl Lacey to make his comeback appearance in a league game against Kilcar. As things stand Donegal have a fully fit squad to pick from.
Though how many of them will be match fit.
It all depends on your definition of match fit. At the moment they are doing 3 nights intensive fitness training plus a league match for their clubs every weekend. I would have thought that seven weeks of that level of preparation would have you ready for action.
True, they are not playing matches as a county team but then neither is anyone else.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on April 30, 2013, 11:27:24 PM
True, they are not playing matches as a county team but then neither is anyone else.
We (and the Dubs) were on Sunday! ;)
I just hope radio 1 big weekend in Derry same weekend doesn't affect the crowd.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on April 30, 2013, 11:27:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 30, 2013, 06:40:52 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on April 30, 2013, 06:33:42 PM
Karl Lacey to make his comeback appearance in a league game against Kilcar. As things stand Donegal have a fully fit squad to pick from.
Though how many of them will be match fit.
It all depends on your definition of match fit. At the moment they are doing 3 nights intensive fitness training plus a league match for their clubs every weekend. I would have thought that seven weeks of that level of preparation would have you ready for action.
True, they are not playing matches as a county team but then neither is anyone else.
I thought i read somewhere that Mark McHugh was struggling for that game with an injury
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on May 01, 2013, 08:53:37 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on April 30, 2013, 11:27:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 30, 2013, 06:40:52 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on April 30, 2013, 06:33:42 PM
Karl Lacey to make his comeback appearance in a league game against Kilcar. As things stand Donegal have a fully fit squad to pick from.
Though how many of them will be match fit.
It all depends on your definition of match fit. At the moment they are doing 3 nights intensive fitness training plus a league match for their clubs every weekend. I would have thought that seven weeks of that level of preparation would have you ready for action.
True, they are not playing matches as a county team but then neither is anyone else.
I thought i read somewhere that Mark McHugh was struggling for that game with an injury
yea chat of a Hamstring problem for Mark McHugh
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=191298
Quote from: rrhf on May 01, 2013, 05:54:25 AM
I just hope radio 1 big weekend in Derry same weekend doesn't affect the crowd.
Affect it in what way?
What's Niall Morgans upper range limit for frees?
He looked pretty comfortable at 55 metres.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2013, 01:31:12 PM
What's Niall Morgans upper range limit for frees?
He looked pretty comfortable at 55 metres.
We will need to be very disciplined in the tackle again this year.
Quote from: J70 on May 01, 2013, 01:39:50 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2013, 01:31:12 PM
What's Niall Morgans upper range limit for frees?
He looked pretty comfortable at 55 metres.
We will need to be very disciplined in the tackle again this year.
Don't think it's a big stretch to say we would have beaten Donegal both years if Morgan was playing. Definitely would have made a significant difference in 2011 when Petey Harte had a nightmare from the frees. Almost a novelty to have that option now, there have been so many instances over the last number of years where a lack of a reliable free taker has cost us close games.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 01, 2013, 01:46:55 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 01, 2013, 01:39:50 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2013, 01:31:12 PM
What's Niall Morgans upper range limit for frees?
He looked pretty comfortable at 55 metres.
We will need to be very disciplined in the tackle again this year.
Don't think it's a big stretch to say we would have beaten Donegal both years if Morgan was playing. Definitely would have made a significant difference in 2011 when Petey Harte had a nightmare from the frees. Almost a novelty to have that option now, there have been so many instances over the last number of years where a lack of a reliable free taker has cost us close games.
Last year, no. Joe McMahon was hitting frees well that day. You just didn't get many.
2011 was a different story and Harte's poor form in the second half was a big factor in the game.
Yep Morgan is some find. His free taking ability is worth his weight in gold but he also seems a great shot stopper and his distribution is excellent. He could be the difference in close games from now on.
I'd say in a few years every team will use their keeper for long range frees.
It makes perfect sense and I dunno why traditionalists find the notion so unsettling.
What difference does it make who puts the ball over the bar?
They might bring in a rule though to prohibit keepers kicking anything inside the 45m line.
Cluxton looks to be shite at penalties, which is a major drawback to his game. Who the hell would Dublin get to take penalties, Dean friggin Rock, sure is he even from a footballing background?
Anyone know if tickets to this are available through Supervalu shops nationwide?
You must be 18 or older.
You asked earlier what Morgan's maximum range is Jinxy. I haven't seen him hit one further than the effort in the second half on Sunday. Don't think he'd have the range that Brian Sheehan has. Although I haven't seen him much in club football.
Would I be right in thinking the Ballybofey pitch is right and tight, always seems that way when iv been there. Couldn't find any dimensions for it through Google.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 01, 2013, 03:52:36 PM
You asked earlier what Morgan's maximum range is Jinxy. I haven't seen him hit one further than the effort in the second half on Sunday. Don't think he'd have the range that Brian Sheehan has. Although I haven't seen him much in club football.
Would I be right in thinking the Ballybofey pitch is right and tight, always seems that way when iv been there. Couldn't find any dimensions for it through Google.
That's what I was wondering.
If he had a breeze behind him he could do 60m I'd say.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2013, 04:13:34 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 01, 2013, 03:52:36 PM
You asked earlier what Morgan's maximum range is Jinxy. I haven't seen him hit one further than the effort in the second half on Sunday. Don't think he'd have the range that Brian Sheehan has. Although I haven't seen him much in club football.
Would I be right in thinking the Ballybofey pitch is right and tight, always seems that way when iv been there. Couldn't find any dimensions for it through Google.
That's what I was wondering.
If he had a breeze behind him he could do 60m I'd say.
Had a shite day with the boot one day in the league, was missing ones from around the '45. I wouldn't be building him up to much yet. Anyone remember that? Was it the Cork or Kerry match?
So who got in on the tickets .ie release this evening? All of the 1000 tickets that they had sold out in 30 minutes apparently :o
Tyrone team that lined out against Donegal last year was: P McConnell, A McCrory, C Clarke, D Carlin, R McMenamin, C Gormley, Sean O'Neill, J McMahon, C Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly, Mark Donnelly, P Harte, M Penrose, Stephen O'Neill, O Mulligan
God knows what team Mickey will line out but will be at least 6 changes from that team.( and probably 6 changes for the better) Donegal should have pretty much the same team out again this year. Tyrone were close last year, add in Sean Cavanagh, Niall Morgan, mcaliskey and an on-form SON with the option of springing Mccurry, R O'Neill and Coney from the bench in the 2nd half for a bit of extra fire power then things look allot better for us this year. Have Donegal progressed from last year? Do they have the same hunger? Will their first 15 stay injury free (cause they have nothing on the Bench). Maybe, but my money is on Tyrone.
Any sign of Muggsy?
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2013, 09:54:02 PM
Any sign of Muggsy?
Was talking to a clubmate of his on Sunday and reckons he'll be focusing exclusively on the club this coming year.
there 3 big questions over donegal this year. Has the Celtic gig softened up mc Guinness and the hunger ain't there . How far have they slipped behind Dublin? What's the tourist season going to be like?
Quote from: Rodman on May 01, 2013, 09:52:56 PM
Tyrone team that lined out against Donegal last year was: P McConnell, A McCrory, C Clarke, D Carlin, R McMenamin, C Gormley, Sean O'Neill, J McMahon, C Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly, Mark Donnelly, P Harte, M Penrose, Stephen O'Neill, O Mulligan
God knows what team Mickey will line out but will be at least 6 changes from that team.( and probably 6 changes for the better) Donegal should have pretty much the same team out again this year. Tyrone were close last year, add in Sean Cavanagh, Niall Morgan, mcaliskey and an on-form SON with the option of springing Mccurry, R O'Neill and Coney from the bench in the 2nd half for a bit of extra fire power then things look allot better for us this year. Have Donegal progressed from last year? Do they have the same hunger? Will their first 15 stay injury free (cause they have nothing on the Bench). Maybe, but my money is on Tyrone.
In my opinion they progressed in every game last year. They were a better team in August/September than they were when we played them.
Tyrone by 4 ;)
Quote from: FarneyMan on May 01, 2013, 03:12:51 PM
Anyone know if tickets to this are available through Supervalu shops nationwide?
I know the stores in donegal have tickets for sale tomorrow but they expected to sell out very quick. All tickets available online have been sold already
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 01, 2013, 10:00:18 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2013, 09:54:02 PM
Any sign of Muggsy?
Was talking to a clubmate of his on Sunday and reckons he'll be focusing exclusively on the club this coming year.
Sorry to hear that. I was hoping Harte had given him time off to rest after the club All-Ireland.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 01, 2013, 10:00:18 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2013, 09:54:02 PM
Any sign of Muggsy?
Was talking to a clubmate of his on Sunday and reckons he'll be focusing exclusively on the club this coming year.
That sounds like he has some choice in the matter though.
Does he?
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2013, 11:55:34 PM
That sounds like he has some choice in the matter though.
Does he?
That's what I gathered from the clubmate, who also said that he's doing what he can to can to help the County set-up (with in-house games, etc.).
Tyrone footballers to continue RTÉ boycott
http://maggieblanck.com/Mayopages/Boycott.html
Tyrone's footballers will boycott RTÉ for the third Championship in succession this summer.
At last night's Ulster SFC launch in Belfast, manager Mickey Harte confirmed there had been no change in the panel's attitude to the national broadcaster.
Tyrone's refusal to grant interviews to RTÉ stems back to a John Murray Show sketch in 2011, which the county set-up felt was insensitive to Harte and his family following the tragic death of his daughter Michaela.
RTÉ will broadcast Tyrone's much-anticipated Ulster quarter-final clash with Donegal in Ballybofey's MacCumhaill Park on May 26, but Harte said there had been no change in Tyrone's stance.
Asked if their position remained the same, he said: "Yep, that's right. No further answer required."
Harte had called for the game in just over three weeks to be played in the bigger capacity stadium in Clones to accommodate the amount of people keen to attend it.
"I just said for the sake of the number of people who wanted to watch the game, Clones would have been the better venue but Donegal had the call on it, they were drawn out first so they had the right to look for it and obviously the Ulster Council awarded it to them.
"I've no complaints about that at all. I'm just saying it will be difficult for all those who want to get to the game in Ballybofey and that's probably unfortunate but we can't change that now.
"The idea that there is a limit on the people that can get in there makes more people want to go to it. It's a double-edged sword, isn't it?"
The Ulster Council yesterday sold 1,000 tickets for the game within 30 minutes with the game certain to be a sell-out.
Harte said he won't use Donegal's home advantage as an excuse should Tyrone lose but maintained the game would likely have been better served by being staged in St Tiernach's Park.
He believes the approximate 35,000 capacity in Monaghan would have been filled by the derby which is normally run at The Curragh.
"It's going to have an atmosphere all of its own (in Ballybofey). It'll be really intense and it's good to see a ground full to the neck as they say.
"But I would like to have been in Clones with 33,000 instead of the 18,000 or whatever in Ballybofey."
Hard to believe its only 3 weeks away. I'd say Jimmy's more than happy with lying low in the long grass and watching the Tyrone league show going on for all the country to see.
As we know Jimmy's a great thinker and motivator and he'll have no doubt loads to say about how the media don't believe they've got a back to back AI in them. They thought the same about Ulster last year and they won't that handy enough.
The Tyrone team/squad has changed a lot since last year hopefully for the better but the big question is how many of the new guys will be able for the Donegal war of attrition.
I must say its a strange feeling going into a new season talking about our new keeper as being exciting and an important source of scores. I will imagine he'll get a lot of jeers from the Donegal fans every time he makes the jog up to take any frees. Will that pressure tell. If he misses a few at the start will he be able to keep his head. Form so far would suggest so.
After Sunday's game I was delighted to see McAliskey rise to the occasion. I would be delighted to see him and Coney in the corners with a fit again SoN in the middle and for us to play them there the whole game. Easier said than done against teams like Donegal I know.
I just hope we don't get any more injuries or suspensions in the upcoming weeks? Are county players playing league games in the next few weeks?
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Hard to believe its only 3 weeks away. I'd say Jimmy's more than happy with lying low in the long grass and watching the Tyrone league show going on for all the country to see.
As we know Jimmy's a great thinker and motivator and he'll have no doubt loads to say about how the media don't believe they've got a back to back AI in them. They thought the same about Ulster last year and they won't that handy enough.
The Tyrone team/squad has changed a lot since last year hopefully for the better but the big question is how many of the new guys will be able for the Donegal war of attrition.
I must say its a strange feeling going into a new season talking about our new keeper as being exciting and an important source of scores. I will imagine he'll get a lot of jeers from the Donegal fans every time he makes the jog up to take any frees. Will that pressure tell. If he misses a few at the start will he be able to keep his head. Form so far would suggest so.
After Sunday's game I was delighted to see McAliskey rise to the occasion. I would be delighted to see him and Coney in the corners with a fit again SoN in the middle and for us to play them there the whole game. Easier said than done against teams like Donegal I know.
I just hope we don't get any more injuries or suspensions in the upcoming weeks? Are county players playing league games in the next few weeks?
If he does it will probably be because of his antics in the league game.
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Hard to believe its only 3 weeks away. I'd say Jimmy's more than happy with lying low in the long grass and watching the Tyrone league show going on for all the country to see.
As we know Jimmy's a great thinker and motivator and he'll have no doubt loads to say about how the media don't believe they've got a back to back AI in them. They thought the same about Ulster last year and they won't that handy enough.
The Tyrone team/squad has changed a lot since last year hopefully for the better but the big question is how many of the new guys will be able for the Donegal war of attrition.
I must say its a strange feeling going into a new season talking about our new keeper as being exciting and an important source of scores. I will imagine he'll get a lot of jeers from the Donegal fans every time he makes the jog up to take any frees. Will that pressure tell. If he misses a few at the start will he be able to keep his head. Form so far would suggest so.
After Sunday's game I was delighted to see McAliskey rise to the occasion. I would be delighted to see him and Coney in the corners with a fit again SoN in the middle and for us to play them there the whole game. Easier said than done against teams like Donegal I know.
I just hope we don't get any more injuries or suspensions in the upcoming weeks? Are county players playing league games in the next few weeks?
I would hope that the like of Coney and McAliskey/McCurry would start in the corners. Don't think Penrose is justifying his selection. Peter Harte will hopefully benefit from his rest and get back to his early to mid 2012 form. A lot of what he does goes unnoticed though, and even with the stick he has been getting of late he is heavily involved in a lot of Tyrone scores.
Donegal 8-13
Tyrone 7-4
Fair enough prices ?
Jesus I thought that was your predicted score, looking at first on my phone!!!
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He believes the approximate 35,000 capacity in Monaghan would have been filled by the derby which is normally run at The Curragh.
Sorry what can this mean?
Yeah I saw that earlier. Presume its a typo.
It's not like Mickey to be harping on about stuff like this but maybe he's just playing mind games with Jimmy, saying they are scared of us.
Hopefully its not like the Tyrone v Derry match in 2006 when they came to our back yard for a foul festival.
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Jesus I thought that was your predicted score, looking at first on my phone!!!
No blanket defences there ! :)
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Have Donegal progressed from last year? Do they have the same hunger? Will their first 15 stay injury free (cause they have nothing on the Bench). Maybe, but my money is on Tyrone.
Where in the name of God did you get the idea that Donegal have nothing on the bench!! During the league when there were up to 6 regulars missing then we were thin on the bench no doubt, but at full strength our bench is just fine.
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He believes the approximate 35,000 capacity in Monaghan would have been filled by the derby which is normally run at The Curragh.
Sorry what can this mean?
Whhhhooooooosssshhhhhhhhhh
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Have Donegal progressed from last year? Do they have the same hunger? Will their first 15 stay injury free (cause they have nothing on the Bench). Maybe, but my money is on Tyrone.
Where in the name of God did you get the idea that Donegal have nothing on the bench!! During the league when there were up to 6 regulars missing then we were thin on the bench no doubt, but at full strength our bench is just fine.
By that I mean Donegal's bench is nowhere near as strong as their first 15 and will struggle to replace anyone who gets injured. Your point of having 6 regulars missing during the league actually backs up my point as looked what happened to you without those players. Tyrone's bench is that bit stronger this year and they can make 3 or 4 changes without weakening the team. That can not be said for Donegal.
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Have Donegal progressed from last year? Do they have the same hunger? Will their first 15 stay injury free (cause they have nothing on the Bench). Maybe, but my money is on Tyrone.
Where in the name of God did you get the idea that Donegal have nothing on the bench!! During the league when there were up to 6 regulars missing then we were thin on the bench no doubt, but at full strength our bench is just fine.
Were Donegal not relegated?
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Have Donegal progressed from last year? Do they have the same hunger? Will their first 15 stay injury free (cause they have nothing on the Bench). Maybe, but my money is on Tyrone.
Where in the name of God did you get the idea that Donegal have nothing on the bench!! During the league when there were up to 6 regulars missing then we were thin on the bench no doubt, but at full strength our bench is just fine.
Were Donegal not relegated?
Aye, just a tiny bit
e short of staying up Jim says
Martin McIlhinney and David Walsh both moved seamlessly into the team during most matches last season. Ryan McHugh will be pushing hard for inclusion, even after Lacey resumes his halfback spot. Declan Walsh played well when called upon last season and chipped in with a couple of points in the Ulster final when Down were still well in the game. I thought he was poor last season, but if Christy Toye is fit and sharp, he's a very capable sub. Sure, we can't replace Murphy and Lacey, but who the hell could? First 15 and nothing else is bollocka.
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Have Donegal progressed from last year? Do they have the same hunger? Will their first 15 stay injury free (cause they have nothing on the Bench). Maybe, but my money is on Tyrone.
Where in the name of God did you get the idea that Donegal have nothing on the bench!! During the league when there were up to 6 regulars missing then we were thin on the bench no doubt, but at full strength our bench is just fine.
By that I mean Donegal's bench is nowhere near as strong as their first 15 and will struggle to replace anyone who gets injured. Your point of having 6 regulars missing during the league actually backs up my point as looked what happened to you without those players. Tyrone's bench is that bit stronger this year and they can make 3 or 4 changes without weakening the team. That can not be said for Donegal.
The quote you used was that Donegal have "nothing on the bench". If you meant something else, then say something else.
Of course Donegal's bench is not as strong as the first 15. If it was they would be on the team, but players like Christy Toye, David Walsh, Dermot Molloy & Martin McElhinney featured in just about every game last year. The only reason they are not better known is that Donegal went through the whole campaign with virtually no injuries so they never got a chance to play 70 mins.
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Have Donegal progressed from last year? Do they have the same hunger? Will their first 15 stay injury free (cause they have nothing on the Bench). Maybe, but my money is on Tyrone.
Where in the name of God did you get the idea that Donegal have nothing on the bench!! During the league when there were up to 6 regulars missing then we were thin on the bench no doubt, but at full strength our bench is just fine.
Were Donegal not relegated?
Aye, just a tiny bite short of staying up Jim says
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Have Donegal progressed from last year? Do they have the same hunger? Will their first 15 stay injury free (cause they have nothing on the Bench). Maybe, but my money is on Tyrone.
Where in the name of God did you get the idea that Donegal have nothing on the bench!! During the league when there were up to 6 regulars missing then we were thin on the bench no doubt, but at full strength our bench is just fine.
By that I mean Donegal's bench is nowhere near as strong as their first 15 and will struggle to replace anyone who gets injured. Your point of having 6 regulars missing during the league actually backs up my point as looked what happened to you without those players. Tyrone's bench is that bit stronger this year and they can make 3 or 4 changes without weakening the team. That can not be said for Donegal.
The quote you used was that Donegal have "nothing on the bench". If you meant something else, then say something else.
Of course Donegal's bench is not as strong as the first 15. If it was they would be on the team, but players like Christy Toye, David Walsh, Dermot Molloy & Martin McElhinney featured in just about every game last year. The only reason they are not better known is that Donegal went through the whole campaign with virtually no injuries so they never got a chance to play 70 mins.
And when these players got their chance in the league - they were relegated! So are you saying that they weren't really trying in the league? Surely they'd have been breaking their balls to break onto the starting 15? Or are they just not good enough? In which case it's a fair assessment to question the quality of the Donegal bench!
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Have Donegal progressed from last year? Do they have the same hunger? Will their first 15 stay injury free (cause they have nothing on the Bench). Maybe, but my money is on Tyrone.
Where in the name of God did you get the idea that Donegal have nothing on the bench!! During the league when there were up to 6 regulars missing then we were thin on the bench no doubt, but at full strength our bench is just fine.
By that I mean Donegal's bench is nowhere near as strong as their first 15 and will struggle to replace anyone who gets injured. Your point of having 6 regulars missing during the league actually backs up my point as looked what happened to you without those players. Tyrone's bench is that bit stronger this year and they can make 3 or 4 changes without weakening the team. That can not be said for Donegal.
The quote you used was that Donegal have "nothing on the bench". If you meant something else, then say something else.
Of course Donegal's bench is not as strong as the first 15. If it was they would be on the team, but players like Christy Toye, David Walsh, Dermot Molloy & Martin McElhinney featured in just about every game last year. The only reason they are not better known is that Donegal went through the whole campaign with virtually no injuries so they never got a chance to play 70 mins.
And when these players got their chance in the league - they were relegated! So are you saying that they weren't really trying in the league? Surely they'd have been breaking their balls to break onto the starting 15? Or are they just not good enough? In which case it's a fair assessment to question the quality of the Donegal bench!
Fair enough Donegal were relegated but the division was so tight that at one point in the second half Donegal were only two points short of being in a semi final place. Nobody outclassed them & in the end the Donegal scoring difference was 0 wheras Kildare who qualified for the semis had a scoring difference of -8. Dublin apart there wasn't much between the other teams in Division 1
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Have Donegal progressed from last year? Do they have the same hunger? Will their first 15 stay injury free (cause they have nothing on the Bench). Maybe, but my money is on Tyrone.
Where in the name of God did you get the idea that Donegal have nothing on the bench!! During the league when there were up to 6 regulars missing then we were thin on the bench no doubt, but at full strength our bench is just fine.
By that I mean Donegal's bench is nowhere near as strong as their first 15 and will struggle to replace anyone who gets injured. Your point of having 6 regulars missing during the league actually backs up my point as looked what happened to you without those players. Tyrone's bench is that bit stronger this year and they can make 3 or 4 changes without weakening the team. That can not be said for Donegal.
The quote you used was that Donegal have "nothing on the bench". If you meant something else, then say something else.
Of course Donegal's bench is not as strong as the first 15. If it was they would be on the team, but players like Christy Toye, David Walsh, Dermot Molloy & Martin McElhinney featured in just about every game last year. The only reason they are not better known is that Donegal went through the whole campaign with virtually no injuries so they never got a chance to play 70 mins.
I though the quote "they have nothing on the bench" is quite self explanatory. I hardly meant that they don't have any physical subs on the bench.
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Have Donegal progressed from last year? Do they have the same hunger? Will their first 15 stay injury free (cause they have nothing on the Bench). Maybe, but my money is on Tyrone.
Where in the name of God did you get the idea that Donegal have nothing on the bench!! During the league when there were up to 6 regulars missing then we were thin on the bench no doubt, but at full strength our bench is just fine.
By that I mean Donegal's bench is nowhere near as strong as their first 15 and will struggle to replace anyone who gets injured. Your point of having 6 regulars missing during the league actually backs up my point as looked what happened to you without those players. Tyrone's bench is that bit stronger this year and they can make 3 or 4 changes without weakening the team. That can not be said for Donegal.
The quote you used was that Donegal have "nothing on the bench". If you meant something else, then say something else.
Of course Donegal's bench is not as strong as the first 15. If it was they would be on the team, but players like Christy Toye, David Walsh, Dermot Molloy & Martin McElhinney featured in just about every game last year. The only reason they are not better known is that Donegal went through the whole campaign with virtually no injuries so they never got a chance to play 70 mins.
I though the quote "they have nothing on the bench" is quite self explanatory. I hardly meant that they don't have any physical subs on the bench.
I take it to mean that the subs are useless. They are far from it.
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Have Donegal progressed from last year? Do they have the same hunger? Will their first 15 stay injury free (cause they have nothing on the Bench). Maybe, but my money is on Tyrone.
Where in the name of God did you get the idea that Donegal have nothing on the bench!! During the league when there were up to 6 regulars missing then we were thin on the bench no doubt, but at full strength our bench is just fine.
By that I mean Donegal's bench is nowhere near as strong as their first 15 and will struggle to replace anyone who gets injured. Your point of having 6 regulars missing during the league actually backs up my point as looked what happened to you without those players. Tyrone's bench is that bit stronger this year and they can make 3 or 4 changes without weakening the team. That can not be said for Donegal.
The quote you used was that Donegal have "nothing on the bench". If you meant something else, then say something else.
Of course Donegal's bench is not as strong as the first 15. If it was they would be on the team, but players like Christy Toye, David Walsh, Dermot Molloy & Martin McElhinney featured in just about every game last year. The only reason they are not better known is that Donegal went through the whole campaign with virtually no injuries so they never got a chance to play 70 mins.
And when these players got their chance in the league - they were relegated! So are you saying that they weren't really trying in the league? Surely they'd have been breaking their balls to break onto the starting 15? Or are they just not good enough? In which case it's a fair assessment to question the quality of the Donegal bench!
Fair enough Donegal were relegated but the division was so tight that at one point in the second half Donegal were only two points short of being in a semi final place. Nobody outclassed them & in the end the Donegal scoring difference was 0 wheras Kildare who qualified for the semis had a scoring difference of -8. Dublin apart there wasn't much between the other teams in Division 1
But Kildare had 8 points and Donegal had 5?
What will be interesting to see is how McGuinness can turn his boys (in 2013) from a relegation outfit and seemingly lethargic in the league to a team at Championship speed in a month and a half. If they were meeting a lesser light they could get away with it but Tyrone should rattle their cage.
It wouldn't surprise me if we see Donegal bare their teeth like never before.
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What will be interesting to see is how McGuinness can turn his boys (in 2013) from a relegation outfit and seemingly lethargic in the league to a team at Championship speed in a month and a half. If they were meeting a lesser light they could get away with it but Tyrone should rattle their cage.
It wouldn't surprise me if we see Donegal bare their teeth like never before.
He did it last year, although Derry and Cavan obviously weren't quite at the same level in terms of opposition as yourselves will presumably be.
Will and hunger may be a bit harder to find this time though.
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Have Donegal progressed from last year? Do they have the same hunger? Will their first 15 stay injury free (cause they have nothing on the Bench). Maybe, but my money is on Tyrone.
Where in the name of God did you get the idea that Donegal have nothing on the bench!! During the league when there were up to 6 regulars missing then we were thin on the bench no doubt, but at full strength our bench is just fine.
By that I mean Donegal's bench is nowhere near as strong as their first 15 and will struggle to replace anyone who gets injured. Your point of having 6 regulars missing during the league actually backs up my point as looked what happened to you without those players. Tyrone's bench is that bit stronger this year and they can make 3 or 4 changes without weakening the team. That can not be said for Donegal.
The quote you used was that Donegal have "nothing on the bench". If you meant something else, then say something else.
Of course Donegal's bench is not as strong as the first 15. If it was they would be on the team, but players like Christy Toye, David Walsh, Dermot Molloy & Martin McElhinney featured in just about every game last year. The only reason they are not better known is that Donegal went through the whole campaign with virtually no injuries so they never got a chance to play 70 mins.
And when these players got their chance in the league - they were relegated! So are you saying that they weren't really trying in the league? Surely they'd have been breaking their balls to break onto the starting 15? Or are they just not good enough? In which case it's a fair assessment to question the quality of the Donegal bench!
Fair enough Donegal were relegated but the division was so tight that at one point in the second half Donegal were only two points short of being in a semi final place. Nobody outclassed them & in the end the Donegal scoring difference was 0 wheras Kildare who qualified for the semis had a scoring difference of -8. Dublin apart there wasn't much between the other teams in Division 1
But Kildare had 8 points and Donegal had 5?
Correct, but the point that you were making was that the reason Donegal were relegated was because their subs were not up to the job. A kick of the ball one way or another would have seen a completely different league table. There was nothing between the teams in Div 1 this year, Dublin excepted, which is displayed by the fact that one team can get to the semi finals with a worse scoring difference than a team that gets relegated.
Donegal won 2 of the last three league games last year, including a hammering of Mayo.
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Have Donegal progressed from last year? Do they have the same hunger? Will their first 15 stay injury free (cause they have nothing on the Bench). Maybe, but my money is on Tyrone.
Where in the name of God did you get the idea that Donegal have nothing on the bench!! During the league when there were up to 6 regulars missing then we were thin on the bench no doubt, but at full strength our bench is just fine.
By that I mean Donegal's bench is nowhere near as strong as their first 15 and will struggle to replace anyone who gets injured. Your point of having 6 regulars missing during the league actually backs up my point as looked what happened to you without those players. Tyrone's bench is that bit stronger this year and they can make 3 or 4 changes without weakening the team. That can not be said for Donegal.
The quote you used was that Donegal have "nothing on the bench". If you meant something else, then say something else.
Of course Donegal's bench is not as strong as the first 15. If it was they would be on the team, but players like Christy Toye, David Walsh, Dermot Molloy & Martin McElhinney featured in just about every game last year. The only reason they are not better known is that Donegal went through the whole campaign with virtually no injuries so they never got a chance to play 70 mins.
And when these players got their chance in the league - they were relegated! So are you saying that they weren't really trying in the league? Surely they'd have been breaking their balls to break onto the starting 15? Or are they just not good enough? In which case it's a fair assessment to question the quality of the Donegal bench!
Fair enough Donegal were relegated but the division was so tight that at one point in the second half Donegal were only two points short of being in a semi final place. Nobody outclassed them & in the end the Donegal scoring difference was 0 wheras Kildare who qualified for the semis had a scoring difference of -8. Dublin apart there wasn't much between the other teams in Division 1
But Kildare had 8 points and Donegal had 5?
Correct, but the point that you were making was that the reason Donegal were relegated was because their subs were not up to the job. A kick of the ball one way or another would have seen a completely different league table. There was nothing between the teams in Div 1 this year, Dublin excepted, which is displayed by the fact that one team can get to the semi finals with a worse scoring difference than a team that gets relegated.
Donegal's style of play means teams aren't going to rack up big scores against them, so you'd expect their score difference to be low. Donegal have made a habit of winning those tight games - in this league campaign they didn't - why not? I'd say its because the replacement players are short of the quality needed and if Donegal have injuries to a few key men - especially Murphy and McFadden then they will struggle, just like Tyrone did when they lost key men in 06 and 09. I'd say in 2013 Tyrone may be more able to absorb injuries than Donegal. But we'll wait and see.
By the way, if we use your logic and judge things by points difference then Tyrone were only beaten by 2 points last year by Donegal - does that mean they were a kick of the ball away from being All Ireland Champions?
I think you are over egging it. Donegal are a division 2 team. Tyrone are a full 8 places ahead of them, I think Donegal in 5 months will still be on division 2, Tyrone will be looking at all Ireland s
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I think you are over egging it. Donegal are a division 2 team. Tyrone are a full 8 places ahead of them, I think Donegal in 5 months will still be on division 2, Tyrone will be looking at all Ireland s
Haha dream on. What you are looking forward to is what we had last year only in reverse!!!!
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I think you are over egging it. Donegal are a division 2 team. Tyrone are a full 8 places ahead of them, I think Donegal in 5 months will still be on division 2, Tyrone will be looking at all Ireland s
Brave words! There's always a few Tyrone boys here boasting about what their team is going to do! Last year was the same.
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Quote from: Rodman on May 01, 2013, 09:52:56 PM
Have Donegal progressed from last year? Do they have the same hunger? Will their first 15 stay injury free (cause they have nothing on the Bench). Maybe, but my money is on Tyrone.
Where in the name of God did you get the idea that Donegal have nothing on the bench!! During the league when there were up to 6 regulars missing then we were thin on the bench no doubt, but at full strength our bench is just fine.
By that I mean Donegal's bench is nowhere near as strong as their first 15 and will struggle to replace anyone who gets injured. Your point of having 6 regulars missing during the league actually backs up my point as looked what happened to you without those players. Tyrone's bench is that bit stronger this year and they can make 3 or 4 changes without weakening the team. That can not be said for Donegal.
The quote you used was that Donegal have "nothing on the bench". If you meant something else, then say something else.
Of course Donegal's bench is not as strong as the first 15. If it was they would be on the team, but players like Christy Toye, David Walsh, Dermot Molloy & Martin McElhinney featured in just about every game last year. The only reason they are not better known is that Donegal went through the whole campaign with virtually no injuries so they never got a chance to play 70 mins.
And when these players got their chance in the league - they were relegated! So are you saying that they weren't really trying in the league? Surely they'd have been breaking their balls to break onto the starting 15? Or are they just not good enough? In which case it's a fair assessment to question the quality of the Donegal bench!
Fair enough Donegal were relegated but the division was so tight that at one point in the second half Donegal were only two points short of being in a semi final place. Nobody outclassed them & in the end the Donegal scoring difference was 0 wheras Kildare who qualified for the semis had a scoring difference of -8. Dublin apart there wasn't much between the other teams in Division 1
But Kildare had 8 points and Donegal had 5?
Correct, but the point that you were making was that the reason Donegal were relegated was because their subs were not up to the job. A kick of the ball one way or another would have seen a completely different league table. There was nothing between the teams in Div 1 this year, Dublin excepted, which is displayed by the fact that one team can get to the semi finals with a worse scoring difference than a team that gets relegated.
Donegal's style of play means teams aren't going to rack up big scores against them, so you'd expect their score difference to be low. Donegal have made a habit of winning those tight games - in this league campaign they didn't - why not? I'd say its because the replacement players are short of the quality needed and if Donegal have injuries to a few key men - especially Murphy and McFadden then they will struggle, just like Tyrone did when they lost key men in 06 and 09. I'd say in 2013 Tyrone may be more able to absorb injuries than Donegal. But we'll wait and see.
They were only one point better the previous year, & this year came into the league just after winning an All Ireland, playing their club championship, celebrating & travelling all round with the cup & to cap it all went on holiday in January. Add that to the injuries & it is no wonder things didn't go great. Look I know as well as anyone that the odds of winning again this year are stacked against them, history tells us that. It was just the line that said we had "nothing on the bench" that got me going a bit. Like you say time will tell but a good debate will keep us all going till then!!
We all have our own biased way of looking at things and naturally enough, having won an AI and beaten all the big teams along the way Donegal must feel quite confident of being there or there abouts.
As we all know teams who often win the AI don't necessarily play that well in the early rounds and often teams like Cork, Kerry, Dublin & more recently Mayo can almost freewheel into the quarterfinals, although of course they will get caught out the odd time but with the qualifiers now they've a good chance, as Tyrone have shown themselves now twice before.
Of course McGuinness & Co would love to prove all the doubters wrong and win their first game as defending AI champions, so I suppose its a huge tough game for them to have such a big test so early on. This rarely happens in other provinces, maybe with the exception of Meath v Dublin or Mayo v Galway but even then lately the challenge hasn't been that great.
Just wondering do the Donegal wans on here think Tyrone have improved or got weaker since they played them last year. I appreciate its hard to say as its only the league so far but to me I'm much more optimistic about the year ahead and even if we lose in Ballybofey I'd be more than hopeful of beating most teams in the back door and who knows how we go if we built up momentum like other years. Back in 2008 we weren't too hopeful after losing to Down.
Quote from: rrhf on May 02, 2013, 11:06:08 PM
I think you are over egging it. Donegal are a division 2 team. Tyrone are a full 8 places ahead of them, I think Donegal in 5 months will still be on division 2, Tyrone will be looking at all Ireland s
Sorry to disappoint but we not a div 2 team till 2014 still played div 1 football in 2013 against the top teams. Granted we did get relegated but you'd be a foolish man if you think jim didn't learn something from it. Last year we were 15 minutes away from being relegated when we were losing to Armagh in the last game of the league and it didn't seem to have many ill effects on the team and think it will be same story this year
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 03, 2013, 10:55:18 AM
We all have our own biased way of looking at things and naturally enough, having won an AI and beaten all the big teams along the way Donegal must feel quite confident of being there or there abouts.
As we all know teams who often win the AI don't necessarily play that well in the early rounds and often teams like Cork, Kerry, Dublin & more recently Mayo can almost freewheel into the quarterfinals, although of course they will get caught out the odd time but with the qualifiers now they've a good chance, as Tyrone have shown themselves now twice before.
Of course McGuinness & Co would love to prove all the doubters wrong and win their first game as defending AI champions, so I suppose its a huge tough game for them to have such a big test so early on. This rarely happens in other provinces, maybe with the exception of Meath v Dublin or Mayo v Galway but even then lately the challenge hasn't been that great.
Just wondering do the Donegal wans on here think Tyrone have improved or got weaker since they played them last year. I appreciate its hard to say as its only the league so far but to me I'm much more optimistic about the year ahead and even if we lose in Ballybofey I'd be more than hopeful of beating most teams in the back door and who knows how we go if we built up momentum like other years. Back in 2008 we weren't too hopeful after losing to Down.
I see Tyrone as a much stronger team this year than last. The addition of Morgan's 60 yds free kicks is a huge addition & I think both teams will be there or there about. Home advantage might be enough to swing it for us, but there isn't much in it.
Quote from: donegal lad on May 03, 2013, 11:42:40 AM
Quote from: rrhf on May 02, 2013, 11:06:08 PM
I think you are over egging it. Donegal are a division 2 team. Tyrone are a full 8 places ahead of them, I think Donegal in 5 months will still be on division 2, Tyrone will be looking at all Ireland s
Sorry to disappoint but we not a div 2 team till 2014 still played div 1 football in 2013 against the top teams. Granted we did get relegated but you'd be a foolish man if you think jim didn't learn something from it. Last year we were 15 minutes away from being relegated when we were losing to Armagh in the last game of the league and it didn't seem to have many ill effects on the team and think it will be same story this year
I think Morgans 5 points from the half way line in Ballybofey will have a huge bearing.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 03, 2013, 10:55:18 AM
We all have our own biased way of looking at things and naturally enough, having won an AI and beaten all the big teams along the way Donegal must feel quite confident of being there or there abouts.
As we all know teams who often win the AI don't necessarily play that well in the early rounds and often teams like Cork, Kerry, Dublin & more recently Mayo can almost freewheel into the quarterfinals, although of course they will get caught out the odd time but with the qualifiers now they've a good chance, as Tyrone have shown themselves now twice before.
Of course McGuinness & Co would love to prove all the doubters wrong and win their first game as defending AI champions, so I suppose its a huge tough game for them to have such a big test so early on. This rarely happens in other provinces, maybe with the exception of Meath v Dublin or Mayo v Galway but even then lately the challenge hasn't been that great.
Just wondering do the Donegal wans on here think Tyrone have improved or got weaker since they played them last year. I appreciate its hard to say as its only the league so far but to me I'm much more optimistic about the year ahead and even if we lose in Ballybofey I'd be more than hopeful of beating most teams in the back door and who knows how we go if we built up momentum like other years. Back in 2008 we weren't too hopeful after losing to Down.
Based on the league, it would certainly seem you've improved, with some new players and returned absentees. As I've said before, my main worry is that we won't be able to match Tyrone's hunger. And the point about stern challenges so early in the season is well made, although that's also the case for you boys! At the same time, McGuinness's preparation and tactics have generally been spot on in the past two seasons, so I would be hopeful that the team will hit the ground running and taking the game to Tyrone in defensive and attacking swarms and lots of movement. However, at the back of my mind are memories of inconsistency from the likes of McFadden prior to 2011, and images of futile, aimless balls into Murphy from the league. And then Morgan's threat from frees. So I'll be nervous enough, but optimistic given McGuinness's record. Not arrogant and dismissive like one or two of your compatriots! :P
Quote from: rrhf on May 03, 2013, 12:52:15 PM
Quote from: donegal lad on May 03, 2013, 11:42:40 AM
Quote from: rrhf on May 02, 2013, 11:06:08 PM
I think you are over egging it. Donegal are a division 2 team. Tyrone are a full 8 places ahead of them, I think Donegal in 5 months will still be on division 2, Tyrone will be looking at all Ireland s
Sorry to disappoint but we not a div 2 team till 2014 still played div 1 football in 2013 against the top teams. Granted we did get relegated but you'd be a foolish man if you think jim didn't learn something from it. Last year we were 15 minutes away from being relegated when we were losing to Armagh in the last game of the league and it didn't seem to have many ill effects on the team and think it will be same story this year
I think Morgans 5 points from the half way line in Ballybofey will have a huge bearing.
They could do or then again murphy putting 1 in the back of the net passed morgan could have a huge bearing. Only time will tell which of us is right ;)
Ah sure tyrone challenging donegal last yr was a division 2 team lol
From Paddy Power
Donegal 8/13 Draw 7/1 Tyrone 7/4
Can't find hcap market yet but from that, looks like -2 , +2
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/22460011
Tyrone officials are unhappy with the county's allocation of tickets for the Ulster Football Championship clash with Donegal at Ballybofey on 26 May.
The Red Hand county has received 5,750 tickets for the meeting with the All-Ireland champions which is believed to be around 1,000 fewer than Donegal.
"We're very disappointed with the allocation of tickets," said Tyrone GAA spokesman Eunan Lindsay.
The capacity at Sean MacCumhaill Park will be capped at 17,500.
Lindsay said only 50 per cent of the county's adult members will have access to a ticket for the game, with no provision whatsoever made for children.
"We are left with one ticket for every two adult members in the county and that's before we even look at youth.
"It's just going to be up to the clubs to allocate them as they decide."
The Tyrone PRO was unable to say whether an appeal will be made to the Ulster Council over the county's allocation.
Earlier this week, Tyrone chairman Ciaran McLaughlin spoke of his disappointment for the thousands of supporters who will be unable to attend the game.
He said he felt the provincial council had missed an opportunity to market the fixture to a wider audience by not switching it to a larger venue.
Donegal pushed for the game to be played in the smaller venue - if anything they should be getting less tickets than Tyrone. Tyrone were happy in 2009 to give up home advantage as All Ireland champions to accomdate extra fans so certainly aren't being hypocritical over the issue.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 08, 2013, 10:31:08 PM
Donegal pushed for the game to be played in the smaller venue - if anything they should be getting less tickets than Tyrone. Tyrone were happy in 2009 to give up home advantage as All Ireland champions to accomdate extra fans so certainly aren't being hypocritical over the issue.
Christ will you Tyrone men ever get over this. Some whinging being done!!!
Just seems unfair that the tickets aren't being split 50 50 when it was Donegal who pushed for a restricted capacity. Though in fairness the scramble for tickets will if anything lead to an even bigger build up and hype around the fixture.
This really is a disgraceful decision by Donegal county board. They have denied thousands of supporters the chance to see this game and I will guess than many Donegal supporters will also be annoyed once they realise the have no chance of getting a ticket. The Donegal county board and Jim mcguinness should really be looking at the bigger picture here. This game could easily have attracted 30k to Clones.
Donegal's ticket allocation for the big Ulster Championship game with Tyrone, is just under 7,000, with less than 6,000 of that number going to the Clubs.
The exact allocation for the County, the reigning All Ireland Champions, is 6,700 with the vast majority of those terrace tickets.
When season ticket holders and player allocations - both Senior and Minor - are deducted from that figure, there are only 5,750 tickets to be shared out among the County's 40 clubs.
"We got our allocation during the week; it is not what we had hoped for, and we always knew this was going to be a difficult game to satisfy the supporters of the county,'' chairman Seán Dunnion, told the Democrat. .
"The allocation came in around 6,700, but you also have to remember that we have 766 season ticket holders in the County alone, so those have to be taken from the allocation.
"There are also 190 tickets that have also to be kept for players, Senior and Minor, under a directive from the Ulster Council, so the net figure for the county is around 5,750 , which is going to be way short of what the demand is going to be.
''Unfortunately that is one of the things we are going to have to deal with, but we are entitled to have a home match, and it is going to be a difficult few weeks ahead for the County Executive and all the officers of the clubs," said. Dunnion
Tyrone would not have 6000 at home games during the league/? why the big ho ha for those who dont follow there team everywhere and only pop out of the woodwork come championship time, i see plenty of tyrone people like that in at work, who wouldnt show there head at a tyrone game to ulster final time. The only pity is some of those supporters who go to league games would lose out. Sure any serious Tyrone supporter with a season ticket will get in for nothing
I thought season ticket holder tickets come out of the general supply for this type of game as supporters are really dealing directing with croke park and it should nto be coming out of a county allocation.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 08, 2013, 10:31:08 PM
Tyrone were happy in 2009 to give up home advantage as All Ireland champions to accomdate extra fans so certainly aren't being hypocritical over the issue.
Against who? I don't remember that.
I've a friend from Mayo who'd love to go to the game, he's a big fan of Jim and the new Donegal. To be fair everyone on here is always shiting on about the GAA and its useless marketing department not doing enough to boast the profile of the games. Here we have a mouth-watering clash that could attract 25-30k to Clones by the look of things and yet the Donegal county board are allowed to piss on the parade. Why do they insist on holding on to home advantage?
Quote from: trileacman on May 08, 2013, 11:32:43 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 08, 2013, 10:31:08 PM
Tyrone were happy in 2009 to give up home advantage as All Ireland champions to accomdate extra fans so certainly aren't being hypocritical over the issue.
Against who? I don't remember that.
I've a friend from Mayo who'd love to go to the game, he's a big fan of Jim and the new Donegal. To be fair everyone on here is always shiting on about the GAA and its useless marketing department not doing enough to boast the profile of the games. Here we have a mouth-watering clash that could attract 25-30k to Clones by the look of things and yet the Donegal county board are allowed to piss on the parade. Why do they insist on holding on to home advantage?
1st round against Armagh
The biggest disgrace/ issue for me is that 1500 tickets went on sale last week, and there appeared to be zero warning. I could guess that these tickets were bought by a lot of JCLs.
The diehard Tyrone fans will get tickets,the glory hunters can stay at home and watch it on the box.
Our attendances at national league games were probably averaging 4 to 5,000,so there's plenty of tickets to go around.
This maddening ticket madness will only serve to make us mad. Heard recetly of a 99 year old grandmother eho hasnt missed a match in 77 years who cant get a ticket for love nor money. im afraid we wre gonna hear more stories like this please tell your own. . undoubtedly theres 31 counties behind tyrone. Come on Tyrone get wired into the fcukers.
Quote from: rrhf on May 09, 2013, 07:40:47 AM
This maddening ticket madness will only serve to make us mad. Heard recetly of a 99 year old grandmother eho hasnt missed a match in 77 years who cant get a ticket for love nor money. im afraid we wre gonna hear more stories like this please tell your own. . undoubtedly theres 31 counties behind tyrone. Come on Tyrone get wired into the fcukers.
If I had my way Tyrone supporters would get no tickets.
Whats a JCL North?
Have to laugh at these guys insisting there are plenty of tickets by comparing league attendances, because they're REAL supporters that have been to every McKenna Cup, League, Championship, Ladies, Hurling game etc since they were born ::)
Johnny come lately?
Quote from: trileacman on May 08, 2013, 11:32:43 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 08, 2013, 10:31:08 PM
Tyrone were happy in 2009 to give up home advantage as All Ireland champions to accomdate extra fans so certainly aren't being hypocritical over the issue.
Against who? I don't remember that.
I've a friend from Mayo who'd love to go to the game, he's a big fan of Jim and the new Donegal. To be fair everyone on here is always shiting on about the GAA and its useless marketing department not doing enough to boast the profile of the games. Here we have a mouth-watering clash that could attract 25-30k to Clones by the look of things and yet the Donegal county board are allowed to piss on the parade. Why do they insist on holding on to home advantage?
Ummm, let me see .... what's the last word in that sentence again? ;)
Some amount of moaning going on here. No doubt it will be a motivational factor for your team which could make all the difference ::)
Quote from: Club Rossa on May 09, 2013, 07:34:11 AM
The diehard Tyrone fans will get tickets,the glory hunters can stay at home and watch it on the box.
Our attendances at national league games were probably averaging 4 to 5,000,so there's plenty of tickets to go around.
Think there was 4500 at the Cork game, over 6,000 at the Kerry game and close to 10,000 at the Donegal game. So I'd say on average probably around 5,500 to 6,000 Tyrone fans at the home league games. In theory the tickets should cover that but the tickets won't necessarily be allocated to all those people. I do think the gaa did miss a good opportunity here to get a huge crowd with lots of children at the game which is good in terms of promotion.
Any chance you's can talk about the match? Lineups? Potential tussles? Injury concerns? Is that too much to ask!!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 09, 2013, 10:38:01 AM
Any chance you's can talk about the match? Lineups? Potential tussles? Injury concerns? Is that too much to ask!!
Theres a match on????
Tyrone lads if the shoe was on the other foot would ye give up home advantage?
Quote from: theticklemister on May 09, 2013, 10:42:38 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 09, 2013, 10:38:01 AM
Any chance you's can talk about the match? Lineups? Potential tussles? Injury concerns? Is that too much to ask!!
Theres a match on????
Tyrone lads if the shoe was on the other foot would ye give up home advantage?
Look back about a dozen or so posts and you'll get your answer from Rodman.
Quote from: RMDrive on May 09, 2013, 10:32:46 AM
Quote from: trileacman on May 08, 2013, 11:32:43 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 08, 2013, 10:31:08 PM
Tyrone were happy in 2009 to give up home advantage as All Ireland champions to accomdate extra fans so certainly aren't being hypocritical over the issue.
Against who? I don't remember that.
I've a friend from Mayo who'd love to go to the game, he's a big fan of Jim and the new Donegal. To be fair everyone on here is always shiting on about the GAA and its useless marketing department not doing enough to boast the profile of the games. Here we have a mouth-watering clash that could attract 25-30k to Clones by the look of things and yet the Donegal county board are allowed to piss on the parade. Why do they insist on holding on to home advantage?
Ummm, let me see .... what's the last word in that sentence again? ;)
Some amount of moaning going on here. No doubt it will be a motivational factor for your team which could make all the difference ::)
Are you so afraid of Tyrone that the All-Ireland champions have to cling to home advantage for this tie?
Quote from: trileacman on May 09, 2013, 11:02:48 AM
Quote from: RMDrive on May 09, 2013, 10:32:46 AM
Quote from: trileacman on May 08, 2013, 11:32:43 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 08, 2013, 10:31:08 PM
Tyrone were happy in 2009 to give up home advantage as All Ireland champions to accomdate extra fans so certainly aren't being hypocritical over the issue.
Against who? I don't remember that.
I've a friend from Mayo who'd love to go to the game, he's a big fan of Jim and the new Donegal. To be fair everyone on here is always shiting on about the GAA and its useless marketing department not doing enough to boast the profile of the games. Here we have a mouth-watering clash that could attract 25-30k to Clones by the look of things and yet the Donegal county board are allowed to piss on the parade. Why do they insist on holding on to home advantage?
Ummm, let me see .... what's the last word in that sentence again? ;)
Some amount of moaning going on here. No doubt it will be a motivational factor for your team which could make all the difference ::)
Are you so afraid of Tyrone that the All-Ireland champions have to cling to home advantage for this tie?
If you boys are as good as you are telling everyone, then you'd beat us where ever we play. Donegal have never been afraid of Tyrone (not like we were with Armagh). We weren't as good as yous sometimes but were never afraid. I'm delighted that the lads will walk out in McCool park as AI champions, trying to defend their Ulster title.
Donegal came out first in the draw and automatically had home the option of home advantage. What county would want to give away home advantage, even if the ground holds less then Clones?
Quote from: theticklemister on May 09, 2013, 10:42:38 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 09, 2013, 10:38:01 AM
Any chance you's can talk about the match? Lineups? Potential tussles? Injury concerns? Is that too much to ask!!
Theres a match on????
Tyrone lads if the shoe was on the other foot would ye give up home advantage?
Tyrone probably would give up home advantage, as pointed out by CML it was given up in 2009 against Armagh. Omagh is hardly a fortress either.
Quote from: theticklemister on May 09, 2013, 10:42:38 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 09, 2013, 10:38:01 AM
Any chance you's can talk about the match? Lineups? Potential tussles? Injury concerns? Is that too much to ask!!
Theres a match on????
Tyrone lads if the shoe was on the other foot would ye give up home advantage?
We did.
I understand why Donegal didn't give up home advantage though. But it will annoy a lot of supporters from both sides when it becomes clear nearer the time that they won't get tickets. This game could easily manage 25K I would image. That's going to mean a lot of disappointed fans which is never good to see. I don't get the whole "f%&k the fair weather supporters" attitude. Not much of an attitude to promoting the game.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 09, 2013, 12:10:22 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on May 09, 2013, 10:42:38 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 09, 2013, 10:38:01 AM
Any chance you's can talk about the match? Lineups? Potential tussles? Injury concerns? Is that too much to ask!!
Theres a match on????
Tyrone lads if the shoe was on the other foot would ye give up home advantage?
Tyrone probably would give up home advantage, as pointed out by CML it was given up in 2009 against Armagh. Omagh is hardly a fortress either.
Giving up Omagh to go to Clones is hardly earth shattering from a travelling point of view for Tyrone fans. It is still right on your doorstep. Giving up Ballybofey to go to Clones is a horse of a different colour for many Donegal people & would entail a return trip of up to 5 hours.
Donegal were quite right & anyway the game is live on TV.
As the home side and reigning Ulster and All Ireland Champions Donegal have every right to play this game at home!!
The GAA gets hammered time and again for being motivated by ground capacity over home advantage.
In typical Tyrone fashion (much like the black card issue) Harte's views are given coverage beyond merit.
Its pretty transparent that the siege mentality is being set by Harte to try and give Tyrone some sort of psychological advantage!!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 09, 2013, 12:48:53 PM
As the home side and reigning Ulster and All Ireland Champions Donegal have every right to play this game at home!!
The GAA gets hammered time and again for being motivated by ground capacity over home advantage.
In typical Tyrone fashion (much like the black card issue) Harte's views are given coverage beyond merit.
Its pretty transparent that the siege mentality is being set by Harte to try and give Tyrone some sort of psychological advantage!!
Hardly just Harte's views. There's a lot more than that that believe given possible attendance it would have made more sense to move it to a larger venue. This rules out virtually all neturals as well. But why let that get in the way of a bit of Tyrone knocking eh?
Lads dun na gnall came out first, they get home advantage. End of.
Great game in prospect and no club game for that weekend so happy days.
Quote from: theticklemister on May 09, 2013, 01:02:02 PM
Lads dun na gnall came out first, they get home advantage. End of.
Great game in prospect and no club game for that weekend so happy days.
Once again its a bollocksy rule by the GAA which serves no purpose in the modern game. Unless a ground has the capablity of holding the crowd that is likley to want to attend then it shouldnt even be in the running to hold a championship game. And unless a rule can be applied the same in EVERY case then it should be abandoned. Otherwise, every home team should HAVE TO play at home if this is the case. It shouldnt be up to the home county board to decide where the match is played. How many times have Dublin played outside of Croker? They cant always be drawn out first?
The GAA has a responsiblity to all its members, not just a select few who think they are super fans. I get to as many games as I can and due to my circumstances i cant make a McKenna cup match on a Tuesday night as much as I'd want to. If we went down the road of only catering for uber fans sure why build an 82000 seater stadium - would some of ye be happy with 10,00 at the All Ireland final?
One other point, its disgraceful that an Under 16 is charged full whack for a ticket because of the narrow mindedness of a backward county board. The game is for the people, not for a select few and if we basically exclude our youth from the games then we are on a slippery slope. My love of GAA is based around going to these big games in the early eighties, enjoying the atmosphere, getting a sense of what the whole thing is all about and what it means to people. It a pity that this opportunity is denied to many underage for this game.
22 - 09 - 2005
A nine-month-old Tyrone fan is in danger of missing out on Sunday's All Ireland Senior Football Championship Final due to Croke Park's firm stance on its ticket allocation policy.
Everyone attending this weekend's showpiece final between beaten Ulster finalists Tyrone and reigning Munster and All Ireland Champions Kerry according to the GAA, and that includes little Leah McMenamin. The well-travelled baby, who is without a ticket of her own, will not be allowed to sit on her mother Jenny's lap.
A Croke Park spokeswoman said: "Unless she has a ticket, like everybody else, we will not allow the baby into the stadium. If parents want a nine month-old baby to be in Croke Park - they need a ticket
Jenny countered: "It's a joke the way they are treating us because of Leah.
"If we get her a ticket, then there is no place for me to breastfeed her. They say they don't have the facilities. It's ridiculous.
"Croke Park is meant to be a family-friendly stadium - but not for us it's not."
Is it time to open a "Whinging" Section on GAAboard or is it there already as the Tyrone County Section?
Jasus those people are some whingers. :-[
Are they ever happy or even remotely content about bloody anything?
Quote from: Rossfan on May 09, 2013, 08:04:21 PM
Is it time to open a "Whinging" Section on GAAboard or is it there already as the Tyrone County Section?
Jasus those people are some whingers. :-[
Are they ever happy or even remotely content about bloody anything?
This sounds like a whinge!
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 09, 2013, 03:07:19 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on May 09, 2013, 01:02:02 PM
Lads dun na gnall came out first, they get home advantage. End of.
Great game in prospect and no club game for that weekend so happy days.
Once again its a bollocksy rule by the GAA which serves no purpose in the modern game. Unless a ground has the capablity of holding the crowd that is likley to want to attend then it shouldnt even be in the running to hold a championship game. And unless a rule can be applied the same in EVERY case then it should be abandoned. Otherwise, every home team should HAVE TO play at home if this is the case. It shouldnt be up to the home county board to decide where the match is played. How many times have Dublin played outside of Croker? They cant always be drawn out first?
The GAA has a responsiblity to all its members, not just a select few who think they are super fans. I get to as many games as I can and due to my circumstances i cant make a McKenna cup match on a Tuesday night as much as I'd want to. If we went down the road of only catering for uber fans sure why build an 82000 seater stadium - would some of ye be happy with 10,00 at the All Ireland final?
One other point, its disgraceful that an Under 16 is charged full whack for a ticket because of the narrow mindedness of a backward county board. The game is for the people, not for a select few and if we basically exclude our youth from the games then we are on a slippery slope. My love of GAA is based around going to these big games in the early eighties, enjoying the atmosphere, getting a sense of what the whole thing is all about and what it means to people. It a pity that this opportunity is denied to many underage for this game.
Fair enough Benny, then do away with the present system of first out gets home draw. The fault here is not Donegal's but the system.
The other thing that should be done would be to have the championship draw done on a seeded basis. That way the big teams that will draw a crowd will be drawn later in the championship at a neutral venue.
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Lads dun na gnall came out first, they get home advantage. End of.
Great game in prospect and no club game for that weekend so happy days.
Once again its a bollocksy rule by the GAA which serves no purpose in the modern game. Unless a ground has the capablity of holding the crowd that is likley to want to attend then it shouldnt even be in the running to hold a championship game. And unless a rule can be applied the same in EVERY case then it should be abandoned. Otherwise, every home team should HAVE TO play at home if this is the case. It shouldnt be up to the home county board to decide where the match is played. How many times have Dublin played outside of Croker? They cant always be drawn out first?
The GAA has a responsiblity to all its members, not just a select few who think they are super fans. I get to as many games as I can and due to my circumstances i cant make a McKenna cup match on a Tuesday night as much as I'd want to. If we went down the road of only catering for uber fans sure why build an 82000 seater stadium - would some of ye be happy with 10,00 at the All Ireland final?
One other point, its disgraceful that an Under 16 is charged full whack for a ticket because of the narrow mindedness of a backward county board. The game is for the people, not for a select few and if we basically exclude our youth from the games then we are on a slippery slope. My love of GAA is based around going to these big games in the early eighties, enjoying the atmosphere, getting a sense of what the whole thing is all about and what it means to people. It a pity that this opportunity is denied to many underage for this game.
beeny you do realise that the ulster council had the final say on where this game was played. yes donegal wanted to play it at home and they are fully entitled to that request but ulster council could still have fixed this game for clones.
these 2 teams met last year in a semi final of ulster and there were only 17500 people in attendance a figure ballybofey is able to accomadate. the big problem with this game is the small ticket allocation both counties got because of the ulster council allocating tickets to all other counties in the provenice (which i hope will be bought by genuine gaa faas but have my fears that people will get these tickets and be only interested in making a quick buck on them)
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/columnists/declan-bogue/antrims-day-in-the-sun-well-deserved-29250434.html
There is a footballer in Tyrone who stands head and shoulders above more vaunted and famous names in club matches, yet has no interest in the county scene.
Is this true? Who is he referring to?
Quote from: glens73 on May 09, 2013, 09:13:40 PM
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/columnists/declan-bogue/antrims-day-in-the-sun-well-deserved-29250434.html
There is a footballer in Tyrone who stands head and shoulders above more vaunted and famous names in club matches, yet has no interest in the county scene.
Is this true? Who is he referring to?
Eoin McCusker from Dromore? Think he is a nephew of Peter Canavan if I'm not mistaken.
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Quote from: glens73 on May 09, 2013, 09:13:40 PM
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/columnists/declan-bogue/antrims-day-in-the-sun-well-deserved-29250434.html
There is a footballer in Tyrone who stands head and shoulders above more vaunted and famous names in club matches, yet has no interest in the county scene.
Is this true? Who is he referring to?
Eoin McCusker from Dromore? Think he is a nephew of Peter Canavan if I'm not mistaken.
Yeah its McCusker.
Jimmy Barry White - from brocagh -a big game player.
I'm too sensible in my old age but any chance of some real discussion about this game in the weeks leading up to it.
I was reading that article in the Belfast telegraph about Conor Clarke (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/clarke-crucial-to-tyrones-title-ambitions-29253687.html) and how we're going into a first round championship match with so many places still up for grabs.
As Brian McGuigan said a few months back in the GL life, that even the players themselves struggled to predict Mickey's starting line ups over the years but this year it seems he has got lots of options all over the park but certainly not a strong settled defence by any means.
IMHO, only Morgan, Joey, Sean Cavanagh, SoN, Mattie & Mark Donnelly and I suppose Peter Harte are the only definites if fit.
Gormley, McCarron, Colm Cav, Penrose and maybe Clarke would be in the next bracket of probable starters. That's 12 so far
That leaves Justy, PJ, Carlin, McNamee, McKenna, Cassidy, McAliskey, Coney, McCurry
My own personal selection for the Donegal game would be
Morgan - Needs to keep his head as the home crowd will be on his back right from the start I think
McCarron to mark McFadden
Joey - To mark Murphy
PJ - To mark McBrearty who sounds like he's on fire at club & U21 level
Conor - can win kick outs to the wing, kick good ball to forwards & can take a score-our T.O'Shea
Justy - will probably play as an extra man in front of Murphy with Petey or Mattie playing 6.
McNamee - I think he's done enough to prove his worth but maybe to be replaced by Carlin
Sean Cav - Needs to get back to where he was at start of the league. Has been quiet last 2 games.
Cassidy - Has showed he is big & strong to compete and catch clean ball. Passing & decision
making often lets him down though but better than Colm at the moment if FIT.
Petey - We all know he has it in him and he's a warrior and worker which this game needs.
Mark D - Has had a great 2013 so far and has added goals to his overall hard workrate
Matt D - Has proved in the last few games how could he can be and has added scores now to his
already strong running and defensive game.
Penrose - Have chosen him over Coney for his hard work and running against this Donegal defence.
He's been quieter than usual I thought this year but he's still got a sweet left foot and
can turn on a 6pence. Remember he nearly won it for us last year had it not been for that
amazing save
S.O'Neill - Showed v Kildare that the old Stevie is still there and he's added a bit of robustness too
McAliskey - Showed in the league final what he is truly capable of. Took the mantle of main ball
winner and scorer from Stevie and did not shirk his responsibilities.
I'd really appreciate if a few of ye could discuss what team you'd play and more importantly say WHY. What strengths and weaknesses do you see players having and who will fit best for this war of attrition which we are expecting.
Maybe Donegal will surprise us and go all out an attack.
(http://www.bbsradio.com/userfiles/image/Image/When%20Pigs%20Fly/WhenPigsFly.jpg)
I don't blame Tyrone supporters for being pissed off at the ticket issue, but I also think Donegal are fully entitled to fight for our home advantage. On the idea that only teams with adequate capacity should get home advantage, that would leave with with a situation where no one outside of the likes of Dublin, Antrim, Monaghan, Cork, Tipperary etc would ever have it for big games i.e. counties where large capacities exist due to provincially supported selection and development.
Quote from: J70 on May 10, 2013, 01:49:51 PM
I don't blame Tyrone supporters for being pissed off at the ticket issue, but I also think Donegal are fully entitled to fight for our home advantage. On the idea that only teams with adequate capacity should get home advantage, that would leave with with a situation where no one outside of the likes of Dublin, Antrim, Monaghan, Cork, Tipperary etc would ever have it for big games i.e. counties where large capacities exist due to provincially supported selection and development.
Not really, this is an exceptional circumstance. If Donegal were playing any other team in Ulster in the first round then Ballybofey would accommodate the crowd. Plus the amount of 20k plus stadiums around the country would accommodate nearly all the first round ties, bar maybe 1 a year.
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Quote from: J70 on May 10, 2013, 01:49:51 PM
I don't blame Tyrone supporters for being pissed off at the ticket issue, but I also think Donegal are fully entitled to fight for our home advantage. On the idea that only teams with adequate capacity should get home advantage, that would leave with with a situation where no one outside of the likes of Dublin, Antrim, Monaghan, Cork, Tipperary etc would ever have it for big games i.e. counties where large capacities exist due to provincially supported selection and development.
Not really, this is an exceptional circumstance. If Donegal were playing any other team in Ulster in the first round then Ballybofey would accommodate the crowd. Plus the amount of 20k plus stadiums around the country would accommodate nearly all the first round ties, bar maybe 1 a year.
The main problem from Donegal's point of view is that Clones geographically turns the game into a home tie for Tyrone. As well as that parts of Donegal are a 5 hour return trip from Clones & some of us are still paying for last year!!!
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Quote from: J70 on May 10, 2013, 01:49:51 PM
I don't blame Tyrone supporters for being pissed off at the ticket issue, but I also think Donegal are fully entitled to fight for our home advantage. On the idea that only teams with adequate capacity should get home advantage, that would leave with with a situation where no one outside of the likes of Dublin, Antrim, Monaghan, Cork, Tipperary etc would ever have it for big games i.e. counties where large capacities exist due to provincially supported selection and development.
Not really, this is an exceptional circumstance. If Donegal were playing any other team in Ulster in the first round then Ballybofey would accommodate the crowd. Plus the amount of 20k plus stadiums around the country would accommodate nearly all the first round ties, bar maybe 1 a year.
The main problem from Donegal's point of view is that Clones geographically turns the game into a home tie for Tyrone. As well as that parts of Donegal are a 5 hour return trip from Clones & some of us are still paying for last year!!!
Clones is in Monaghan. Tyrone and Donegal are separate Counties. It is in no way anything near a home game for Tyrone.
Quote from: trileacman on May 09, 2013, 10:59:32 PM
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Quote from: glens73 on May 09, 2013, 09:13:40 PM
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/columnists/declan-bogue/antrims-day-in-the-sun-well-deserved-29250434.html
There is a footballer in Tyrone who stands head and shoulders above more vaunted and famous names in club matches, yet has no interest in the county scene.
Is this true? Who is he referring to?
Eoin McCusker from Dromore? Think he is a nephew of Peter Canavan if I'm not mistaken.
Yeah its McCusker.
Head and shoulders above the rest?
A bit of hyperbole there.
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Quote from: J70 on May 10, 2013, 01:49:51 PM
I don't blame Tyrone supporters for being pissed off at the ticket issue, but I also think Donegal are fully entitled to fight for our home advantage. On the idea that only teams with adequate capacity should get home advantage, that would leave with with a situation where no one outside of the likes of Dublin, Antrim, Monaghan, Cork, Tipperary etc would ever have it for big games i.e. counties where large capacities exist due to provincially supported selection and development.
Not really, this is an exceptional circumstance. If Donegal were playing any other team in Ulster in the first round then Ballybofey would accommodate the crowd. Plus the amount of 20k plus stadiums around the country would accommodate nearly all the first round ties, bar maybe 1 a year.
The main problem from Donegal's point of view is that Clones geographically turns the game into a home tie for Tyrone. As well as that parts of Donegal are a 5 hour return trip from Clones & some of us are still paying for last year!!!
Clones is in Monaghan. Tyrone and Donegal are separate Counties. It is in no way anything near a home game for Tyrone.
In terms of access its clearly much, much more convenient for Tyrone than Donegal.
That said, so is Ballybofey for many Tyrone fans! :P
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 10, 2013, 02:17:59 PM
The main problem from Donegal's point of view is that Clones geographically turns the game into a home tie for Tyrone.
Think about that again. Your definition of "geographically" is HUGELY different from mine.
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Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 10, 2013, 02:17:59 PM
The main problem from Donegal's point of view is that Clones geographically turns the game into a home tie for Tyrone.
Think about that again. Your definition of "geographically" is HUGELY different from mine.
Just what is YOUR definition then? :)
Can see both teams point of view in wanting to play the game in Ballybofey/elsewhere. McGuinness is a shrewd operator though who is able to use tactical genius, marginal gains and psychological manipulation of the media to extract the maximum out of his team. Mickey Harte is probably the only current manager who can rival him.
Arguably Tyrone have the better individual footballers but I think Donegal have been preparing exclusively for this game for about 6 months now. So much so that they are heading off for 5 days next week for a training camp!! It will be fascinating to watch McGuinness' tactical manoeuvres on the sideline and how he sets up his team. I'd imagine he might resort to type and go super defensive. Make no mistake, this is effectively the Ulster final and both teams will know this.
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Quote from: J70 on May 10, 2013, 01:49:51 PM
I don't blame Tyrone supporters for being pissed off at the ticket issue, but I also think Donegal are fully entitled to fight for our home advantage. On the idea that only teams with adequate capacity should get home advantage, that would leave with with a situation where no one outside of the likes of Dublin, Antrim, Monaghan, Cork, Tipperary etc would ever have it for big games i.e. counties where large capacities exist due to provincially supported selection and development.
Not really, this is an exceptional circumstance. If Donegal were playing any other team in Ulster in the first round then Ballybofey would accommodate the crowd. Plus the amount of 20k plus stadiums around the country would accommodate nearly all the first round ties, bar maybe 1 a year.
The main problem from Donegal's point of view is that Clones geographically turns the game into a home tie for Tyrone. As well as that parts of Donegal are a 5 hour return trip from Clones & some of us are still paying for last year!!!
Clones is in Monaghan. Tyrone and Donegal are separate Counties. It is in no way anything near a home game for Tyrone.
When was the last time you looked at a map?
I love the strap line for the promo video for the 2013 Championship - "nothing beats being there"!!
http://vimeo.com/52549401
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Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 10, 2013, 02:17:59 PM
The main problem from Donegal's point of view is that Clones geographically turns the game into a home tie for Tyrone.
Think about that again. Your definition of "geographically" is HUGELY different from mine.
Just what is YOUR definition then? :)
Clones is "geographically" in Monaghan.
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Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 10, 2013, 02:17:59 PM
The main problem from Donegal's point of view is that Clones geographically turns the game into a home tie for Tyrone.
Think about that again. Your definition of "geographically" is HUGELY different from mine.
Just what is YOUR definition then? :)
Clones is "geographically" in Monaghan.
It's also geographically closer to Tyrone than Donegal.
With all this crying about playing in Donegal, what are you going to be like after thy actually beat you! For year first out of the draw was given home advantage, that was always the case, it only changed in recent year when the ulster council want a bigger take of the money, and we ended up with ulster finals in croke park. I dont have any involvement in my local club anymore was i moved away. Solved that problem very quickly by buying a season ticket, and have no ticket issues going to games from here on in.
Never mind what ground this match will be played on; the most important thing is the starting 15 and tactics from both sides.
I can imagine a defensive game played by both sides, with Donegal coming out on top. If Murphy and McFadden are held then Tyrone could win handsomely but that's easier said than done. Unless there's a mammoth performance from Clarke, Justin McMahon and McCrory then Tyrone are straight through the back door.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2013, 08:42:44 PM
With all this crying about playing in Donegal, what are you going to be like after thy actually beat you! For year first out of the draw was given home advantage, that was always the case, it only changed in recent year when the ulster council want a bigger take of the money, and we ended up with ulster finals in croke park. I dont have any involvement in my local club anymore was i moved away. Solved that problem very quickly by buying a season ticket, and have no ticket issues going to games from here on in.
the hatred that you have towards Tyrone is evident in every post you make! Of course you will try and back up your points with one reason after another, just say it FFS !!!
Tyrone happy enough with, some of the supporters no! but there is serious crying about this game been ticketed when this was obvious the minute the fixture was announced this would happen. If only 17.5k went last yr why everybody looking to go to this one,
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 11, 2013, 01:07:46 AM
Tyrone happy enough with, some of the supporters no! but there is serious crying about this game been ticketed when this was obvious the minute the fixture was announced this would happen. If only 17.5k went last yr why everybody looking to go to this one,
Take it as a compliment - I know it's been a long time for you fellas but being All Ireland Champions changes things. You are there to be shot at and Tyrone going into the game on the back of an encouraging league feel they have a good chance of toppling the champs in round one. Whether they do or not, remains to be seen but it has the makings of a classic. If you honestly can't see how that makes for a game and atmosphere that people want to be part of then you really are a bit clueless. Remember "nothing beats being there" We experienced this in 2009 and moved the game for the benefit of all. My only surprise is that Donegal fans are happy with this. I'd much prefer to travel a few hours to watch a game than not be able to watch a game on my doorstep. Where are the 20 odd thousand you took to Croker last September? Surely, the fair weathered amongst you haven't disappeared already?
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Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 10, 2013, 02:17:59 PM
The main problem from Donegal's point of view is that Clones geographically turns the game into a home tie for Tyrone.
Think about that again. Your definition of "geographically" is HUGELY different from mine.
Just what is YOUR definition then? :)
Clones is "geographically" in Monaghan.
It's also geographically closer to Tyrone than Donegal.
So presumably then the year Tyrone gave up home advantage to play the first round Ulster Championship tie in Croke against Armagh actually constituted Tyrone giving home advantage to Armagh - because after all, geographically Armagh is closer to Croke Park
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Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 10, 2013, 02:17:59 PM
The main problem from Donegal's point of view is that Clones geographically turns the game into a home tie for Tyrone.
Think about that again. Your definition of "geographically" is HUGELY different from mine.
Just what is YOUR definition then? :)
Clones is "geographically" in Monaghan.
It's also geographically closer to Tyrone than Donegal.
So presumably then the year Tyrone gave up home advantage to play the first round Ulster Championship tie in Croke against Armagh actually constituted Tyrone giving home advantage to Armagh - because after all, geographically Armagh is closer to Croke Park
If they did that's their business. What anyone has to ask is why would Donegal give up home advantage to go to Clones which is geographically much closer to Tyrone and give their supporters a much longer & more expensive day. Why would they do all this to accomodate neutrals & fairweathers who couldnt be bothered to go to Omagh for their recent league game. The match is on T.V. which should accomodate both neutrals & fairweathers.
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Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 10, 2013, 02:17:59 PM
The main problem from Donegal's point of view is that Clones geographically turns the game into a home tie for Tyrone.
Think about that again. Your definition of "geographically" is HUGELY different from mine.
Just what is YOUR definition then? :)
Clones is "geographically" in Monaghan.
It's also geographically closer to Tyrone than Donegal.
So presumably then the year Tyrone gave up home advantage to play the first round Ulster Championship tie in Croke against Armagh actually constituted Tyrone giving home advantage to Armagh - because after all, geographically Armagh is closer to Croke Park
If they did that's their business. What anyone has to ask is why would Donegal give up home advantage to go to Clones which is geographically much closer to Tyrone and give their supporters a much longer & more expensive day. Why would they do all this to accomodate neutrals & fairweathers who couldnt be bothered to go to Omagh for their recent league game. The match is on T.V. which should accomodate both neutrals & fairweathers.
I couldn't care less where the match is. I was pointing out the absurdity of saying having the match in Clones turns it into a home match for Tyrone.
By that rationale, Armagh were playing at home when they played against Tyrone in Croke Park
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Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 10, 2013, 02:17:59 PM
The main problem from Donegal's point of view is that Clones geographically turns the game into a home tie for Tyrone.
Think about that again. Your definition of "geographically" is HUGELY different from mine.
Just what is YOUR definition then? :)
Clones is "geographically" in Monaghan.
It's also geographically closer to Tyrone than Donegal.
So presumably then the year Tyrone gave up home advantage to play the first round Ulster Championship tie in Croke against Armagh actually constituted Tyrone giving home advantage to Armagh - because after all, geographically Armagh is closer to Croke Park
If they did that's their business. What anyone has to ask is why would Donegal give up home advantage to go to Clones which is geographically much closer to Tyrone and give their supporters a much longer & more expensive day. Why would they do all this to accomodate neutrals & fairweathers who couldnt be bothered to go to Omagh for their recent league game. The match is on T.V. which should accomodate both neutrals & fairweathers.
Will all Donegal fans who want to go get a ticket?
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Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 10, 2013, 02:17:59 PM
The main problem from Donegal's point of view is that Clones geographically turns the game into a home tie for Tyrone.
Think about that again. Your definition of "geographically" is HUGELY different from mine.
Just what is YOUR definition then? :)
Clones is "geographically" in Monaghan.
It's also geographically closer to Tyrone than Donegal.
So presumably then the year Tyrone gave up home advantage to play the first round Ulster Championship tie in Croke against Armagh actually constituted Tyrone giving home advantage to Armagh - because after all, geographically Armagh is closer to Croke Park
I said no such thing. The issue was over the word "geographical"! I simply said Clones gives an advantage to Tyrone supporters in terms of ease of access. It's just another reason for Donegal to want to hold on to their home advantage.
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Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 10, 2013, 02:17:59 PM
The main problem from Donegal's point of view is that Clones geographically turns the game into a home tie for Tyrone.
Think about that again. Your definition of "geographically" is HUGELY different from mine.
Just what is YOUR definition then? :)
Clones is "geographically" in Monaghan.
It's also geographically closer to Tyrone than Donegal.
So presumably then the year Tyrone gave up home advantage to play the first round Ulster Championship tie in Croke against Armagh actually constituted Tyrone giving home advantage to Armagh - because after all, geographically Armagh is closer to Croke Park
I said no such thing. The issue was over the word "geographical"! I simply said Clones gives an advantage to Tyrone supporters in terms of ease of access. It's just another reason for Donegal to want to hold on to their home advantage.
It was aimed at Bluestackboy where he said about turning it into a home tie for Tyrone. It's obviously no such thing
I'm looking forward to the replay in Clones (or Omagh).
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 11, 2013, 01:07:46 AM
Tyrone happy enough with, some of the supporters no! but there is serious crying about this game been ticketed when this was obvious the minute the fixture was announced this would happen. If only 17.5k went last yr why everybody looking to go to this one,
Take it as a compliment - I know it's been a long time for you fellas but being All Ireland Champions changes things. You are there to be shot at and Tyrone going into the game on the back of an encouraging league feel they have a good chance of toppling the champs in round one. Whether they do or not, remains to be seen but it has the makings of a classic. If you honestly can't see how that makes for a game and atmosphere that people want to be part of then you really are a bit clueless. Remember "nothing beats being there" We experienced this in 2009 and moved the game for the benefit of all. My only surprise is that Donegal fans are happy with this. I'd much prefer to travel a few hours to watch a game than not be able to watch a game on my doorstep. Where are the 20 odd thousand you took to Croker last September? Surely, the fair weathered amongst you haven't disappeared already?
The league game in omagh still only attracted 9000 (Christ I remember the McKenna cup final in 04 between the teams and was nearly 9000 at it) ballybofey will hold 17500 which would of been grand if the allocation was spilt 50/50 and not do what ulster council has done and allocated all other counties in ulster tickets . Must be some amount of fair weather fans appearing in Tyrone last couple of weeks amount of crying being done over tickets were was all these people for the league game or the semi final games last 2 years which were played in a half full clones
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 11, 2013, 01:07:46 AM
Tyrone happy enough with, some of the supporters no! but there is serious crying about this game been ticketed when this was obvious the minute the fixture was announced this would happen. If only 17.5k went last yr why everybody looking to go to this one,
Take it as a compliment - I know it's been a long time for you fellas but being All Ireland Champions changes things. You are there to be shot at and Tyrone going into the game on the back of an encouraging league feel they have a good chance of toppling the champs in round one. Whether they do or not, remains to be seen but it has the makings of a classic. If you honestly can't see how that makes for a game and atmosphere that people want to be part of then you really are a bit clueless. Remember "nothing beats being there" We experienced this in 2009 and moved the game for the benefit of all. My only surprise is that Donegal fans are happy with this. I'd much prefer to travel a few hours to watch a game than not be able to watch a game on my doorstep. Where are the 20 odd thousand you took to Croker last September? Surely, the fair weathered amongst you haven't disappeared already?
The league game in omagh still only attracted 9000 (Christ I remember the McKenna cup final in 04 between the teams and was nearly 9000 at it) ballybofey will hold 17500 which would of been grand if the allocation was spilt 50/50 and not do what ulster council has done and allocated all other counties in ulster tickets . Must be some amount of fair weather fans appearing in Tyrone last couple of weeks amount of crying being done over tickets were was all these people for the league game or the semi final games last 2 years which were played in a half full clones
So how's the 20 odd thousand Donegal fans who went to Croker last September going to fit in to Ballybofey?
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 11, 2013, 01:07:46 AM
Tyrone happy enough with, some of the supporters no! but there is serious crying about this game been ticketed when this was obvious the minute the fixture was announced this would happen. If only 17.5k went last yr why everybody looking to go to this one,
Take it as a compliment - I know it's been a long time for you fellas but being All Ireland Champions changes things. You are there to be shot at and Tyrone going into the game on the back of an encouraging league feel they have a good chance of toppling the champs in round one. Whether they do or not, remains to be seen but it has the makings of a classic. If you honestly can't see how that makes for a game and atmosphere that people want to be part of then you really are a bit clueless. Remember "nothing beats being there" We experienced this in 2009 and moved the game for the benefit of all. My only surprise is that Donegal fans are happy with this. I'd much prefer to travel a few hours to watch a game than not be able to watch a game on my doorstep. Where are the 20 odd thousand you took to Croker last September? Surely, the fair weathered amongst you haven't disappeared already?
The league game in omagh still only attracted 9000 (Christ I remember the McKenna cup final in 04 between the teams and was nearly 9000 at it) ballybofey will hold 17500 which would of been grand if the allocation was spilt 50/50 and not do what ulster council has done and allocated all other counties in ulster tickets . Must be some amount of fair weather fans appearing in Tyrone last couple of weeks amount of crying being done over tickets were was all these people for the league game or the semi final games last 2 years which were played in a half full clones
So how's the 20 odd thousand Donegal fans who went to Croker last September going to fit in to Ballybofey?
They won't, such is life.
Looking forward to this. Should be a great atmosphere in a packed stadium.
Quote from: heffo on May 11, 2013, 01:23:26 PM
Looking forward to this. Should be a great atmosphere in a packed stadium.
Good God Heffo, such positivity has no place on this thread ;) ;) ;)
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Quote from: heffo on May 11, 2013, 01:23:26 PM
Looking forward to this. Should be a great atmosphere in a packed stadium.
Good God Heffo, such positivity has no place on this thread ;) ;) ;)
Games like this are what the championship is all about - sterilised games in Croke park lose their appeal very quick when you're playing there all the time!
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Quote from: heffo on May 11, 2013, 01:23:26 PM
Looking forward to this. Should be a great atmosphere in a packed stadium.
Good God Heffo, such positivity has no place on this thread ;) ;) ;)
Games like this are what the championship is all about - sterilised games in Croke park lose their appeal very quick when you're playing there all the time!
Dublin play all the League games there aswell ,so it must be very Boring alright...
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Quote from: heffo on May 11, 2013, 01:23:26 PM
Looking forward to this. Should be a great atmosphere in a packed stadium.
Good God Heffo, such positivity has no place on this thread ;) ;) ;)
Games like this are what the championship is all about - sterilised games in Croke park lose their appeal very quick when you're playing there all the time!
Dublin play all the League games there aswell ,so it must be very Boring alright...
Don't want to bring thread off-topic, but yeah - you get a pain in your hole with the place. Would much prefer to be heading to Cusack Park or Navan etc for Leinster games.
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Quote from: heffo on May 11, 2013, 01:23:26 PM
Looking forward to this. Should be a great atmosphere in a packed stadium.
Good God Heffo, such positivity has no place on this thread ;) ;) ;)
Games like this are what the championship is all about - sterilised games in Croke park lose their appeal very quick when you're playing there all the time!
Dublin play all the League games there aswell ,so it must be very Boring alright...
Don't want to bring thread off-topic, but yeah - you get a pain in your hole with the place. Would much prefer to be heading to Cusack Park or Navan etc for Leinster games.
be grand for a League final and things like that. Probaly an advantage for the Dubs going into the Leinster Championship, getting more game time earlier in the year. Up to other teams to get over that aspect I suppose.
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The main problem from Donegal's point of view is that Clones geographically turns the game into a home tie for Tyrone.
Think about that again. Your definition of "geographically" is HUGELY different from mine.
Just what is YOUR definition then? :)
Clones is "geographically" in Monaghan.
It's also geographically closer to Tyrone than Donegal.
So presumably then the year Tyrone gave up home advantage to play the first round Ulster Championship tie in Croke against Armagh actually constituted Tyrone giving home advantage to Armagh - because after all, geographically Armagh is closer to Croke Park
If they did that's their business. What anyone has to ask is why would Donegal give up home advantage to go to Clones which is geographically much closer to Tyrone and give their supporters a much longer & more expensive day. Why would they do all this to accomodate neutrals & fairweathers who couldnt be bothered to go to Omagh for their recent league game. The match is on T.V. which should accomodate both neutrals & fairweathers.
I couldn't care less where the match is. I was pointing out the absurdity of saying having the match in Clones turns it into a home match for Tyrone.
By that rationale, Armagh were playing at home when they played against Tyrone in Croke Park
That game wasn't in Croker, it was in Clones.
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Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 10, 2013, 02:17:59 PM
The main problem from Donegal's point of view is that Clones geographically turns the game into a home tie for Tyrone.
Think about that again. Your definition of "geographically" is HUGELY different from mine.
Just what is YOUR definition then? :)
Clones is "geographically" in Monaghan.
It's also geographically closer to Tyrone than Donegal.
So presumably then the year Tyrone gave up home advantage to play the first round Ulster Championship tie in Croke against Armagh actually constituted Tyrone giving home advantage to Armagh - because after all, geographically Armagh is closer to Croke Park
If they did that's their business. What anyone has to ask is why would Donegal give up home advantage to go to Clones which is geographically much closer to Tyrone and give their supporters a much longer & more expensive day. Why would they do all this to accomodate neutrals & fairweathers who couldnt be bothered to go to Omagh for their recent league game. The match is on T.V. which should accomodate both neutrals & fairweathers.
Maybe to accommodate the thousands of Donegal fans that were in Croker last September. I'm sure they would rather travel a couple of hours than not get to the game. Maybe you are happy sitting on in your living room watching the game, I'd rather be there myself. Are Donegal really that scared of Tyrone.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 11, 2013, 01:07:46 AM
Tyrone happy enough with, some of the supporters no! but there is serious crying about this game been ticketed when this was obvious the minute the fixture was announced this would happen. If only 17.5k went last yr why everybody looking to go to this one,
Take it as a compliment - I know it's been a long time for you fellas but being All Ireland Champions changes things. You are there to be shot at and Tyrone going into the game on the back of an encouraging league feel they have a good chance of toppling the champs in round one. Whether they do or not, remains to be seen but it has the makings of a classic. If you honestly can't see how that makes for a game and atmosphere that people want to be part of then you really are a bit clueless. Remember "nothing beats being there" We experienced this in 2009 and moved the game for the benefit of all. My only surprise is that Donegal fans are happy with this. I'd much prefer to travel a few hours to watch a game than not be able to watch a game on my doorstep. Where are the 20 odd thousand you took to Croker last September? Surely, the fair weathered amongst you haven't disappeared already?
The league game in omagh still only attracted 9000 (Christ I remember the McKenna cup final in 04 between the teams and was nearly 9000 at it) ballybofey will hold 17500 which would of been grand if the allocation was spilt 50/50 and not do what ulster council has done and allocated all other counties in ulster tickets . Must be some amount of fair weather fans appearing in Tyrone last couple of weeks amount of crying being done over tickets were was all these people for the league game or the semi final games last 2 years which were played in a half full clones
So how's the 20 odd thousand Donegal fans who went to Croker last September going to fit in to Ballybofey?
They won't but that's life those most deserving out of that 20000 will though. Can only speak about my own club but word has gone out that loyal county supporters will be looked after (those that re on record with the club for tickets last 5-10 years). Of course there is going to be people upset when tickets have been allocated but sure that's always the case las years all Ireland is a prime example
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Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 10, 2013, 02:17:59 PM
The main problem from Donegal's point of view is that Clones geographically turns the game into a home tie for Tyrone.
Think about that again. Your definition of "geographically" is HUGELY different from mine.
Just what is YOUR definition then? :)
Clones is "geographically" in Monaghan.
It's also geographically closer to Tyrone than Donegal.
So presumably then the year Tyrone gave up home advantage to play the first round Ulster Championship tie in Croke against Armagh actually constituted Tyrone giving home advantage to Armagh - because after all, geographically Armagh is closer to Croke Park
If they did that's their business. What anyone has to ask is why would Donegal give up home advantage to go to Clones which is geographically much closer to Tyrone and give their supporters a much longer & more expensive day. Why would they do all this to accomodate neutrals & fairweathers who couldnt be bothered to go to Omagh for their recent league game. The match is on T.V. which should accomodate both neutrals & fairweathers.
Maybe to accommodate the thousands of Donegal fans that were in Croker last September. I'm sure they would rather travel a couple of hours than not get to the game. Maybe you are happy sitting on in your living room watching the game, I'd rather be there myself. Are Donegal really that scared of Tyrone.
Where were all those supporters for the league game in Healy Park? If Donegal lose, how many of them will travel to Carlow for a qualifier?
As for Donegal being scared of Tyrone, no of course they aren't scared but they do have a healthy respect for them & have no intention of handing them any advantage that they don't have to. Donegal's primary target is to win this game & set themselves up for a tilt at three Ulster championships in a row. Everything else comes second & if people don't get that then they really haven't been paying attention.
My point in my initial post about the venue was actually around the allocation of tickets and Donegal getting more of them. They chose the smaller venue and I felt the tickets should have at least been split 50 50.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 11, 2013, 04:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 11, 2013, 01:07:46 AM
Tyrone happy enough with, some of the supporters no! but there is serious crying about this game been ticketed when this was obvious the minute the fixture was announced this would happen. If only 17.5k went last yr why everybody looking to go to this one,
Take it as a compliment - I know it's been a long time for you fellas but being All Ireland Champions changes things. You are there to be shot at and Tyrone going into the game on the back of an encouraging league feel they have a good chance of toppling the champs in round one. Whether they do or not, remains to be seen but it has the makings of a classic. If you honestly can't see how that makes for a game and atmosphere that people want to be part of then you really are a bit clueless. Remember "nothing beats being there" We experienced this in 2009 and moved the game for the benefit of all. My only surprise is that Donegal fans are happy with this. I'd much prefer to travel a few hours to watch a game than not be able to watch a game on my doorstep. Where are the 20 odd thousand you took to Croker last September? Surely, the fair weathered amongst you haven't disappeared already?
Donegal is full of fair weather supporters. There's, on average, way more out to most games now than there would have been three years ago, but you'll still not get the big demand till later in the summer, if we're still in it. I remember being in Newbridge a decade or so ago for a qualifier match against Kildare, and I doubt there was more than 200 Donegal supporters there in total in a near sellout crowd. I was the only person in my club to request a ticket! Ended up getting some for a Dublin mate and his Kildare-supporting kids as well!
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 11, 2013, 03:35:28 PM
My point in my initial post about the venue was actually around the allocation of tickets and Donegal getting more of them. They chose the smaller venue and I felt the tickets should have at least been split 50 50.
As far as I know the allocations to the clubs in both counties is the same 5,750. And for the sake of accuracy, Donegal did not choose the venue, it was drawn out of a hat.
So what do you lads suggest? Should you have to fill in a form and do an interview to prove you are deserving to get a ticket? It's nonsense - fact of life, more people want to watch championship games, more people want to watch the AI champions, more people want to watch when they are playing a big rival. Only for the luck of the draw this would be the Ulster final and as such a big crowd want to see it. Who are the Donegal county board to decide that only the deserving ones can go to it. I'm now living in England, I travel to most championship games spending a fortune to do so. When i lived in Tyrone i didnt miss a game home or away in league and championship. I would've there on the 26th if I was able to get a ticket but sure I'm not deserving because I wasn't at the league game in Omagh.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 11, 2013, 04:26:09 PM
So what do you lads suggest? Should you have to fill in a form and do an interview to prove you are deserving to get a ticket? It's nonsense - fact of life, more people want to watch championship games, more people want to watch the AI champions, more people want to watch when they are playing a big rival. Only for the luck of the draw this would be the Ulster final and as such a big crowd want to see it. Who are the Donegal county board to decide that only the deserving ones can go to it. I'm now living in England, I travel to most championship games spending a fortune to do so. When i lived in Tyrone i didnt miss a game home or away in league and championship. I would've there on the 26th if I was able to get a ticket but sure I'm not deserving because I wasn't at the league game in Omagh.
You ask what do we suggest. Here are two suggestions.
1 Ulster council allocates the venue. If that was the case the game would have been allocated to Clones from the off. No home, no away, no problem.
2 Seed the draw so that the two lowest teams at the end of the round robin stage of the league play in the preliminary. Thereafter the top placed team plays the lowest placed team & so on. Under this system you don't end up with the foolishness of Donegal & Tyrone in the 1st round.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 11, 2013, 04:42:09 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 11, 2013, 04:26:09 PM
So what do you lads suggest? Should you have to fill in a form and do an interview to prove you are deserving to get a ticket? It's nonsense - fact of life, more people want to watch championship games, more people want to watch the AI champions, more people want to watch when they are playing a big rival. Only for the luck of the draw this would be the Ulster final and as such a big crowd want to see it. Who are the Donegal county board to decide that only the deserving ones can go to it. I'm now living in England, I travel to most championship games spending a fortune to do so. When i lived in Tyrone i didnt miss a game home or away in league and championship. I would've there on the 26th if I was able to get a ticket but sure I'm not deserving because I wasn't at the league game in Omagh.
You ask what do we suggest. Here are two suggestions.
1 Ulster council allocates the venue. If that was the case the game would have been allocated to Clones from the off. No home, no away, no problem.
2 Seed the draw so that the two lowest teams at the end of the round robin stage of the league play in the preliminary. Thereafter the top placed team plays the lowest placed team & so on. Under this system you don't end up with the foolishness of Donegal & Tyrone in the 1st round.
So by that logic, you agree that its a nonsense that this game is at Ballybofey then?
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 11, 2013, 04:42:09 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 11, 2013, 04:26:09 PM
So what do you lads suggest? Should you have to fill in a form and do an interview to prove you are deserving to get a ticket? It's nonsense - fact of life, more people want to watch championship games, more people want to watch the AI champions, more people want to watch when they are playing a big rival. Only for the luck of the draw this would be the Ulster final and as such a big crowd want to see it. Who are the Donegal county board to decide that only the deserving ones can go to it. I'm now living in England, I travel to most championship games spending a fortune to do so. When i lived in Tyrone i didnt miss a game home or away in league and championship. I would've there on the 26th if I was able to get a ticket but sure I'm not deserving because I wasn't at the league game in Omagh.
You ask what do we suggest. Here are two suggestions.
1 Ulster council allocates the venue. If that was the case the game would have been allocated to Clones from the off. No home, no away, no problem.
2 Seed the draw so that the two lowest teams at the end of the round robin stage of the league play in the preliminary. Thereafter the top placed team plays the lowest placed team & so on. Under this system you don't end up with the foolishness of Donegal & Tyrone in the 1st round.
Seeding the draw would destroy the ulster championship. The way I see it everyone has the same chance of getting a ticket for this game. For those living outside the counties there was tickets available online (which I've heard of people as far away as London buying) or purchase a season ticket if you are going to come home for championship games. There's a lot of crying going on about the donegal board wanting to play in ballybofey but its the ulster councils decision where the game is played
Getting back to the actual game, Donegal women must be the hairiest on the island.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 10, 2013, 01:18:34 PM
I'm too sensible in my old age but any chance of some real discussion about this game in the weeks leading up to it.
I was reading that article in the Belfast telegraph about Conor Clarke (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/clarke-crucial-to-tyrones-title-ambitions-29253687.html) and how we're going into a first round championship match with so many places still up for grabs.
As Brian McGuigan said a few months back in the GL life, that even the players themselves struggled to predict Mickey's starting line ups over the years but this year it seems he has got lots of options all over the park but certainly not a strong settled defence by any means.
IMHO, only Morgan, Joey, Sean Cavanagh, SoN, Mattie & Mark Donnelly and I suppose Peter Harte are the only definites if fit.
Gormley, McCarron, Colm Cav, Penrose and maybe Clarke would be in the next bracket of probable starters. That's 12 so far
That leaves Justy, PJ, Carlin, McNamee, McKenna, Cassidy, McAliskey, Coney, McCurry
My own personal selection for the Donegal game would be
Morgan - Needs to keep his head as the home crowd will be on his back right from the start I think
McCarron to mark McFadden
Joey - To mark Murphy
PJ - To mark McBrearty who sounds like he's on fire at club & U21 level
Conor - can win kick outs to the wing, kick good ball to forwards & can take a score-our T.O'Shea
Justy - will probably play as an extra man in front of Murphy with Petey or Mattie playing 6.
McNamee - I think he's done enough to prove his worth but maybe to be replaced by Carlin
Sean Cav - Needs to get back to where he was at start of the league. Has been quiet last 2 games.
Cassidy - Has showed he is big & strong to compete and catch clean ball. Passing & decision
making often lets him down though but better than Colm at the moment if FIT.
Petey - We all know he has it in him and he's a warrior and worker which this game needs.
Mark D - Has had a great 2013 so far and has added goals to his overall hard workrate
Matt D - Has proved in the last few games how could he can be and has added scores now to his
already strong running and defensive game.
Penrose - Have chosen him over Coney for his hard work and running against this Donegal defence.
He's been quieter than usual I thought this year but he's still got a sweet left foot and
can turn on a 6pence. Remember he nearly won it for us last year had it not been for that
amazing save
S.O'Neill - Showed v Kildare that the old Stevie is still there and he's added a bit of robustness too
McAliskey - Showed in the league final what he is truly capable of. Took the mantle of main ball
winner and scorer from Stevie and did not shirk his responsibilities.
I'd really appreciate if a few of ye could discuss what team you'd play and more importantly say WHY. What strengths and weaknesses do you see players having and who will fit best for this war of attrition which we are expecting.
Maybe Donegal will surprise us and go all out an attack.
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I'm not sure if your talking about Conor Clarke in the half back line or Gormley. Either way I would guess depending on injuries that you will have around 13 of the starting team there. I personally can't see McNamee starting. I think the Conor you didn't pick or Carlin will replace him. I think Justy,Gormley and Carlin are going for 2 places depending on how fit they are. If they're all fit I think Carlin may just lose out.
The other one I'm not sure about is Cassidy. He's been struggling with injury recently and even if he overcome's it I've a feeling Harte will save him to throw on for the second half. He does seem to make a bigger impact coming on. Based on recent years and the league I would guess Colm Cavanagh will start ahead of him. I'd say Colm,Cassidy and McAliskey are going for 2 places with Cassidy possibly missing out.
Can't see there being too many other shocks. McNiece has started plenty during the league but see him missing out after another quiet outing in the league final. The likes of Coney and Ronan O'Neill will also be in contention.
Colm will play for definite, barring injury, a Harte favourite and to be fair has put in some good work in the middle at times this year. I would play Colm and Cassidy at MF with Sean as an auxillary midfielder with either 13 or 12 on his back. Cassidy seems to be carrying some injury though, has he played any ACL yet? He missed the Ardboe match anyway.
Mogan
McCarron
Joey/Clarke depending on showings at training.
PJ
Gormley
Justy/Clarke/McNamee for the remaining HB slots.
Sean & Colm
Pete, Matty, Sparky
Penrose, SON, McAliskey
Someone throw up the likely Donegal side there.
Well this was last years final team:
Donegal team to play Mayo: Paul Durcan; Paddy McGrath, Neil McGee, Frank McGlynn; Eamon McGee, Karl Lacey, Anthony Thompson; Neil Gallagher, Rory Kavanagh; Ryan Bradley, Leo McLoone, Mark McHugh; Paddy McBrearty, Michael Murphy, Colm McFadden.
Would imagine there'll only be one or two changes from that team max. Would the other McHugh be in contention? I've forgotten the name of the other forward who started against Tyrone in the league and looked dangerous - assume he won't start anyway. Any other likely changes?
Ok so back to the football - for what its worth, this would be my starting 15 for Tyrone;
Niall Morgan
Cathal McCarron
Conor Clarke
Justly McMahon
Conor Gormley
Joe McMahon
Peter Harte
Aiden Cassidy
Sean Cavanagh
Mark Donnelly
Kyle Coney
Mattie Donnelly
Conor McAliskey
Stevie O'Neill
Darren McCurry/Ronan O'Neill (pending Injury)
From what I heard last night A Cassidy wont be fit to start but hopes to play some part. Would put the mortgage on the two Cavanaghs starting at 8 and 9.
RedhandSanta, i had read a few weeks ago that Mark McHugh is a big doubt for this game. His brother, Ryan, played a lot of league football this year and the forward you mention is Ross Wherity, a Letterkenny man I believe.
Quote from: trileacman on May 11, 2013, 10:25:19 PM
Someone throw up the likely Donegal side there.
I don't see any changes from the team that started the AI final barring late injuries. The only slight concern would be Lacey who looked well off the pace last Sunday in a league match against Kilcar.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 12, 2013, 07:04:15 AM
Ok so back to the football - for what its worth, this would be my starting 15 for Tyrone;
Niall Morgan
Cathal McCarron
Conor Clarke
Justly McMahon
Conor Gormley
Joe McMahon
Peter Harte
Aiden Cassidy
Sean Cavanagh
Mark Donnelly
Kyle Coney
Mattie Donnelly
Conor McAliskey
Stevie O'Neill
Darren McCurry/xRonan O'Neill (pending Injury)
How have mc curry coney or r Oneill done enough. Use stats to back up
Morgan
McCarron Clarke PJ
Justy Joey Gormley
Cav 1 Cav 2
Matthew D Petey Mark D
Penrose Stevy McAliskey
Likely Subs To Appear
TBC
Quote from: Bonkers09 on May 12, 2013, 10:04:25 AM
Morgan
McCarron Clarke PJ
Justy Joey Gormley
Cav 1 Cav 2
Matthew D Petey Mark D
Penrose Stevy McAliskey
Likely Subs To Appear
TBC
Not 100% sure on positions but to me if everyone is fit that will be the starting 15. He may have been tempted to start Cassidy ahead of McAliskey and move Sean Cavanagh to the forwards but given his performance in the league final and Cassidys recent injury I think McAliskey might get the nod. There is no guarantee that everyone there will be fit though. Justy and Gormley have been injured different times during the league. I assume Peter Harte hasn't played in the club games? Is he back training? Also talk that O'Neill hasn't trained which would be very concerning at this stage too.
What happens if there's a replay clones or omagh
Quote from: rrhf on May 12, 2013, 11:02:13 AM
What happens if there's a replay clones or omagh
Omagh. Tyrone would always have the option to go to Clones if they want to.
Quote from: rrhf on May 12, 2013, 11:02:13 AM
What happens if there's a replay clones or omagh
There will be extra time played 1st so less chance of a draw happening. Not ure where it would be played if a replay was needed
I'd predict the donegal team will be the same that started the AI fina
L last year. The only place I felt was up for grabs was mcbreartys but now he's started to find form again.so this the team I think will start
1.durcan
2.mcgrath
3.mcgee (Neil)
4.mcgee (eamon)
5.mcglynn
6.lacey
7.thompson
8.kavannagh
9.gallagher
10.bradly
11.mcloone
12.mchugh (mark)
13.mcbrearty
14.murphy
15.mcfadden
If Lacey isn't fit enough to start can see young Ryan mchugh coming into the side and Ross wherrity could take mark Hugh spot if he's not able to start but personally feel the team named above will be the one to start
Quote from: rrhf on May 12, 2013, 09:58:19 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 12, 2013, 07:04:15 AM
Ok so back to the football - for what its worth, this would be my starting 15 for Tyrone;
Niall Morgan
Cathal McCarron
Conor Clarke
Justly McMahon
Conor Gormley
Joe McMahon
Peter Harte
Aiden Cassidy
Sean Cavanagh
Mark Donnelly
Kyle Coney
Mattie Donnelly
Conor McAliskey
Stevie O'Neill
Darren McCurry/xRonan O'Neill (pending Injury)
How have mc curry coney or r Oneill done enough. Use stats to back up
Stats? Obviously, I'm not privy to all the stats. For me its all a bit more subjective than using stats but id like to think I know enough about the potential of these lads from seeing them play to know that they are 3 of the most dangerous forwards Tyrone have. My view on selecting a team is that you get your best players on the pitch. Coney has great vision and when on form is the best long range point scorer we have which is vital against the packed Donegal defence. McCurry and or O'Neill if fit add pace which compliments Stevie in a forward line to stretch what is likely to be a very compact defence.
I'll be interested to read all the stats you have to justify your potential selection.
n morgan
d carlin
c clarke
c mccarron
c gormley
m donnelly
ju mcmahon
jo mcmahon
c cavanagh
p mcneice
p harte
m donnelly
c mcaliskey
s oneill
s cavanagh
Quote from: rrhf on May 12, 2013, 11:02:13 AM
What happens if there's a replay clones or omagh
Bring them to the Hill.
Quote from: ONeill on May 12, 2013, 01:38:19 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 12, 2013, 11:02:13 AM
What happens if there's a replay clones or omagh
Bring them to the Hill.
that far rampart could easily hold 14 k??
Cathal McCarron had to go off with a thigh injury today.
Donegal through today with clean bill of health ;D ;D
County players won't play in league matches next weekend.
Quote from: Club Rossa on May 12, 2013, 07:01:46 PM
Cathal McCarron had to go off with a thigh injury today.
Hopefully not too serious!! Any word on any of the other county players? How did Coney play for Ardboe today? Was Harte playing for Errigal?
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 12, 2013, 10:14:59 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on May 12, 2013, 07:01:46 PM
Cathal McCarron had to go off with a thigh injury today.
Hopefully not too serious!! Any word on any of the other county players? How did Coney play for Ardboe today? Was Harte playing for Errigal?
Kyle was ok, that is his second game in over a year people need to remember that. Peter Harte started at centre back for Errigal and then moved to a third midielder role. He was probably Errigal's best player.
AFAIK Stevie's still in his cotton wool suit
From the Belfast Tele - Big game ref has to get major calls right: Harte (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/big-game-ref-has-to-get-major-calls-right-harte-29255949.html)
BY everyone's favourite DECLAN BOGUE – 11 MAY 2013
The identity of the referee who is appointed to officiate the forthcoming clash of All-Ireland champions Donegal and Tyrone on Sunday May 26 will be revealed within the next 24 hours.
Whoever it is, he will be sure to come under serious scrutiny as the build-up continues.
And whoever does take up the whistle will be reminded that in last year's tussle Donegal had an equal number of yellow cards to Tyrone on four – with Colm McFadden sent-off late in the game on a second yellow card for preventing Tyrone from taking a '45'.
Yet the glaring statistic from the game was that Donegal conceded 28 free-kicks to Tyrone's 14.
Reporters questioned Mickey Harte at the end of that game about the free count, but he chose to keep his thoughts to himself, only briefly mentioning the ongoing problem with consistency among referees.
Harte touched on the same theme when asked if the appointment of this game will have a significant bearing on the result when he said: "A decision one way or another can be the winning or losing of a game, so it is very important. All we ask for is the referee to be as consistent as he possibly and humanly can. If he does that, then nobody can argue."
While Donegal manager Jim McGuinness (pictured) delivered his annual report to the county board and explained their attitude to the National league campaign that saw them relegated, Harte pointed to the positives that Tyrone got out of their first year back in the top flight, after a two-year hiatus.
"When you come into Division One you cannot take your foot off the pedal any day," said Harte.
"Every day is a challenge and in many ways every game is a knockout me
ntality. If you don't play with that mentality – especially if you are coming back up from Division Two as we were – then you begin to get into a bad place.
"I think that has been the most beneficial thing for us, that we managed to do that and introduce a number of new players along the way who got valuable experience at a very high level."
Within Donegal, question marks are hanging over 2012 Player of the Year Karl Lacey's involvement, having just recently returned to full training following a hip operation in December.
Mark McHugh is also believed to be struggling with a hamstring problem, but a general air of mystique surrounds Donegal.
While they have promised to bring different elements to their play, the task of second-guessing them appears to be a critical factor in what may unfold later this month.
Harte feels that they may have already left a few clues behind them in their league performances.
"They had to play their league matches in the open domain the way everybody else had and there is footage there to see how they were doing," he said.
"Again, you might say that's not a true reflection of what we are going to see in Ballybofey, but you only have to look back at last year's games and you get a fair idea of what they are capable of. I'm sure those capabilities haven't gone or left them.
"They are very capable of reaching that again and I am sure they will bring something new to it as well, because they did from 2011-12; they brought a lot of new things to their game in terms of their offensive strategy, which wasn't as prevalent in 2011. It was very prevalent to their win in 2012."
He added, "I'm sure they will bring some added value to what they had. We know what they are very good at, I'm sure they will be able to do that again, and I'm sure there will be a couple of surprises as well."
Turning back to his own side, Harte answered the curiosity of if Tyrone will try and bring something unseen to the tie when he continued: "We are actually playing a very fluid game all year, we are not in a fixed mode.
"We have different players on different days produce their best form and there's a flexibility within the squad."
Hinting that the use of substitutes could be a crucial factor, he said: "People talk about a settled team or a fixed team and all this. It may suit some squads to have that.
"Equally, it may suit some squads that are developing to have that degree of interchange. In the modern game, 70 minutes is a big ask of many players – it's nice to have other players can go in and acquit themselves well, even though it's for the last 20 minutes."
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 13, 2013, 11:18:57 AM
AFAIK Stevie's still in his cotton wool suit
O'Neill raring to goStephen O'Neill expects to play a full part against Donegal on Sunday week.Tyrone's attacking talisman - who was named as player of the national football league - missed the Division One final against Dublin after injuring his ankle during the pre-match warm-up but says he'll be fully fit for the Ulster SFC quarter-final clash with the holders in Ballybofey on May 26th:
"The ankle's grand," he told The Irish Times. "I'll be back training again this week and I'm looking forward to getting back.
"Preparations have been going well. There are no injury worries from the league games so we're just looking forward to it now.
"It was just unfortunate the way it happened. I stepped back and there were a couple of balls behind me and I went over on it. I was getting a wee bit of bother from the ankle anyway so I didn't want to take the chance on it.
"We put in a good performance [against Dublin] but we lost. It was an important game, a good, tight battle and the sort of intensity we'll be meeting against Donegal but it's going to be a completely different type of game.
"It'll be a lot more defensive probably and not as open or free-scoring so we'll just have to take the good from the Dublin game and be prepared for a different challenge.
"Time will tell. We've a lot of new boys in and they gained a lot of good experience from playing Dublin in a Division One final. Hopefully they'll learn from that and be able to close a game out when one or two points ahead because on Sunday week I'm sure it'll be very close as well.
"We just need to use that experience to get over the finish line this time."
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=192187
Just printed the (season) ticket there, no hanging about with this one!
Are you chomping at the bit Fear?
Were many of ye at the league game?
Was there much badness going on between SoN and McGee?
I've noticed the McGee bros have added a rather unpleasant side to their game in recent years ever since Jimmy has taken over. Can't imagine where they learnt that from.
Season Tickets chomping at the bit Fuzz (not usually available so soon)! ;)
Was at the league game, and let's just say the Mc Gee boys have had better behaved days on the park.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 14, 2013, 04:18:02 PM
Are you chomping at the bit Fear?
Were many of ye at the league game?
Was there much badness going on between SoN and McGee?
I've noticed the McGee bros have added a rather unpleasant side to their game in recent years ever since Jimmy has taken over. Can't imagine where they learnt that from.
That would be unfair comment.
The Mc Gees are tough characters. Always were. They're the sorts of boys you'd want on your team.
Tough indeed and I used to respect them a lot but I heard a few things that went on in the league game that were anything but decent & fair.
Has the referee being named yet for this battle?
Quote from: orangeman on May 14, 2013, 04:23:14 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 14, 2013, 04:18:02 PM
Are you chomping at the bit Fear?
Were many of ye at the league game?
Was there much badness going on between SoN and McGee?
I've noticed the McGee bros have added a rather unpleasant side to their game in recent years ever since Jimmy has taken over. Can't imagine where they learnt that from.
More than a bit rich coming from a county that had Ricey McMenamin in it's ranks :-X :-X :-X
Quote from: God14 on May 14, 2013, 04:39:25 PM
Has the referee being named yet for this battle?
Joe McQuillan
Does anyone know the seating plan for the stand? Any idea if SECFC is central or near the corner?
Quote from: tyroneman on May 14, 2013, 09:53:35 PM
Quote from: God14 on May 14, 2013, 04:39:25 PM
Has the referee being named yet for this battle?
Joe McQuillan
Reffed the first round match against Armagh last year brilliantly. Returned to being shite ever since.
Jeeeeez lads its fierce quiet on here.
Have we no more news on injuries or anything?
Is young Morgan still playing outfield for Dungannon?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 16, 2013, 11:25:25 AM
Jeeeeez lads its fierce quiet on here.
Have we no more news on injuries or anything?
Is young Morgan still playing outfield for Dungannon?
There'll be some row when Edendork find out about that
Does he do much scoring for the seniors? He scored a fair bit in the u-21's last year against Cookstown.
Oops sorry Dorkites
Looks like Cassidy is our biggest injury worry so far
From the Irish Examiner
Cassidy picked up an ankle injury in the closing stages of the National League final defeat to Dublin, and has been unable to train since.
"Aidan Cassidy is the worst of all and he hasn't trained fully with the team yet, so he is top of the list," manager Mickey Harte said last night as he reported a "mixed bag" of injuries.
Skipper and attacking ace Stephen O'Neill is back in full training after a freak ankle injury ruled him out of the league decider, and is set to lead the team at Ballybofey.
"Stevie is back training on Tuesday night, back with the full squad, which is great," said Harte.
"It's a mixed bag. PJ Quinn has been out with a back injury since that last game.
"Dermot Carlin has an Achilles injury which has kept him out, but he trained a good part of last night.
"Justin McMahon has been off and on with the usual niggles, but trained last night as well."
Defender Cathal McCarron continues to cause concern due to a dead leg he picked up in a club game last Sunday. "Cathal McCarron hasn't trained since he got a dead leg at the weekend, but I think it will not keep him out after this week.
"Apart from that, you have hamstring niggles, and things like that, but nothing serious that would count anybody else out."
Harte added that he would be in an impossible situation if asked to pick his team now for the May 26 tie.
"There would be too many people in doubtful positions to pick tonight, but the last eight or nine days coming into a championship match can be great healers."
Tyrone have got serious hype for this game and most people fancy them to beat Donegal (not so much Tyrone people more media and neutrals)...I'm sure this suits Donegal as it'll take a bit of pressure of them. I think Donegal will win this by 1-2pts but Tyrone are more than capable of winning this one too...hard game. Maybe a draw and you guys will get your day out in Clones afterall...lol
With McGuinness building a lot of the Donegal success around hard work, fitness & self belief, I would be worried that the confidence gained by winning the AI would be an important factor.
I don't think they'll underestimate Tyrone as they've saw us in the limelight a lot the last month or two
However, Jimmy is a master motivator and winning an AI brings a lot more self belief and confidence to their already strong game. Losing another AI can have the opposite effect as Mayo know
I think Donegal will have to be strict with their discipline in tacking as conceding frees in the previous two years was something they could get away with. It could well be a game with few scores from play.
I thought that Donegal looked unbeatable last year, but when you look back at the Tyrone game they were there for the taking as it was pretty evenly balanced but Tyrone were just lacking that bit of class up front which in my opinion they still are. Until Coney and Ronan O'Neill get a good injury free run at it, Tyrone have few scoring forwards. How sharp will Coney and RON be after a year out? I can't see them being anywhere near their best this year to be honest. McAliskey looks a good option though as does McCurry. Surprised Lafferty hasn't got more time on the field, brings more to the table than McAliskey and McCurry in my opinion. The year before Tyrone were the better side. But with winning the All Ireland Donegal will find it hard to match the level they were at last year. I know we all think that those players from Donegal will want to win, which they will, its just they will never have t hat hunger that they had for their first All Ireland. I also can't see them going through the summer having the luck they had last year with injuries. They are reliant on two or three key men and players will inevitably pick up injuries especially given the training and game intensity the Donegal players have experienced the past few years.
We'll not know whether Donegal have the hunger or not till a game is on the line; most likely it'll happen this first day out. The groundswell of opinion seems to be that they won't and this is very much part of why Tyrone appear to be marginal favorites. If they don't have it this year, I'll have no complaints. There's always another season on the way.
It may be a tight.dogfight, but I can see either team, more likely Tyrone if Donegal just can raise themselves, pulling away to a four or five point win.
I think Donegal will be more vulnerable in the USFC semi final (if they get there that is, big IF)
I just get the feeling that the players will be really up for this one particular match. 1st round, fresh, the minds will have been focussed on this date for 6 months now, home support as reighing All Ireland champions etc. Lets face it modern day Donegal respect Tyrone more than any other Ulster County
Mickey Harte is quoted in the papers today as saying he believes Tyrone are stronger than last year. It's hard to argue with that. Hopefully we'll have a fit Sean Cavanagh and Justy McMahon (fingers crossed) which would be a big bonus. Morgan in nets could be worth a few points. A number of players seem to have progressed this year during the division 1 campaign particularly the Donnelly's. There's also more options up front with the likes of Mcurry,McAliskey,Coney and Ronan O'Neill being available.
Donegal are building very quietly and given their stance to the league its hard to know what to make of them. I suspect if they are injury free they should be at least as good as last year. They have found a few players but no huge game changers at this stage. McGuiness believes he still had 20% or something like that to find in the current team so it will be interesting to see their progression.
Both teams will be going all out to win this. Tyrone really need it to build confidence if they're going to have a big year. McGuiness will want his year marked out and won't want the unknown and risk of injuries going through the backdoor.
I'd like to think the Tyrone players are as good individually as the Donegal team if we have everyone fully fit. I'd disappointed if we got beat due to tactics or fitness (huge effort has been made this year here). Overall I'm therefore hopeful of a narrow win for Tyrone. But its going to take a huge battle.
To give Donegal credit they haven't let farce of the biting scandal annoy them too much. One of mc guinnessses biggest strengths is to be able to tiptoe quietly around crisis after crisi that affects them
Clann na nGael G.A.C. (Tyrone) are delighted to announce that they will host a Championship Talk Night in Aughabrack Community Hall on Friday 24th May ahead of the mammoth Donegal –v- Tyrone clash.
The event will feature legendary Ulster G.A.A. figures Peter Canavan, Benny Tierney, Tony Scullion and Brendan Devenney. For years they graced the game at the very highest level in Ulster and beyond and now, for one night only, they will come together to regale the audience with some of their best memories, anecdotes and banter to create a night of unrivalled entertainment.
Doors will open at 8.30pm with the event itself beginning at 9pm. Tickets priced at £10 each are on sale now from Adrian Conway (07766718150), Niall Conway (07875855354) and all usual local outlets, details of which can be found on the club's website www.cng.ie. Please note that the number of tickets will be limited so patrons are advised to purchase as soon as possible to avoid disappointment.
Any chance of getting a couple of tickets for this game anywhere? Going to be an absolute cracker, would love to be at it.
The Armagh Grimley story is playing along nicely for Jimmy.
(http://www.panthera.org/sites/default/files/Feb11-SW-Tiger-KNP-590.jpg?1360617225)
A lot of neutrals looking forward to this game as well. I hope we don't let them down.
I see there are still some Terrace tickets available from Tyrone clubs according to http://www.tyronegaa.ie/ (http://www.tyronegaa.ie/)
Fascinating to see how up to speed McGuinness can get them in 6 weeks. I hear they were at a 5-day training camp last week.
They're in a brilliant position. Champions, at home and an awful lot people siding with Tyrone.
I see an extremely defensive game. O'Neill to get bottled up. We'll need another forward on his game. Maybe Peter Harte will burst into life.
Yeah I think Stevie will be nothing more than a decoy for this game. We'd nearly be better to name him at 14 but to play him out around the 40, although I suppose there's always the high ball into him and trying to win our frees.
Most pundits have put a lot of pressure on young Morgan as they expect him to kick at least 4 or 5 frees. I hope McDermott isn't as slow to blow for frees as Deegan was yesterday.
I hope Mark Donnelly and others don't make the same mistake as other years and be running with the ball into tackles hoping to either break through or win frees. He won't get as much space as he got in Croker in the league final. He has played very well this year so I don't mean to just pick on him.
I dunno - very impressed with the direct running of the Donnellys this year. Seem to possess the ability to break tackles.
I've a feeling big Murphy might have a humdinger. Some test of Clarke's credentials if he gets the nod over Justin.
lads just give us a good tight contested game, after yesterday i nearly lost the will to live, Been a galway - Armagh fan yesterday reminds me back when Tyrone trimmed Derry in 2004, it was shameful.
It was beautiful
Quote from: ONeill on May 20, 2013, 05:28:14 PM
I dunno - very impressed with the direct running of the Donnellys this year. Seem to possess the ability to break tackles.
I've a feeling big Murphy might have a humdinger. Some test of Clarke's credentials if he gets the nod over Justin.
Interesting article with Matty Donnelly in the IN on Friday. He was saying the majority of the weights he has been doing in the last couple of years has focused on his leg strength. Starting to reap dividends the way he has been breaking tackles. He also said he played full back on the St Michael's MacRory cup team he played on so playing a more defensive role is nothing new.
Full preview in the paper on page 49 the day of the Minor game and pages 50 to 55 for full preview of the Senior game.
Great stuff on a Monday. Cill Chartha keep on at the top without the County players and with Odhrán gone with the squad it was always going to be too much for Gaoth Dobhair inné.
Quote from: ONeill on May 20, 2013, 04:58:12 PM
Fascinating to see how up to speed McGuinness can get them in 6 weeks. I hear they were at a 5-day training camp last week.
He won't be too far away I'd say, though I just can't see Karl Lacey being right up to speed and intensity after (just) 3 weeks back from injury; well-nigh impossible.
Probably not Fear but I'd say even at 50% he'll do a good job in a swarm defence.
I must say I'm a bit worried about how well young McBrearty could do in this match.
There has been a lot of negative talk about him in the last 2 months so he could be well up for a good performance. Is PJ Quinn the best man to mark him?
From today's Irish News.
YOUNG and inexperienced he might be, but Ronan O'Neill is a player who really wants to test himself.
Sean MacCumhaill Park is not going to be a place for the faint-hearted. The ground will be packed to the rafters. The vast majority of supporters will be roaring on the home team. If called from the bench in the closing minutes, O'Neill knows he will be entering a cauldron as he will have to pits his wits against the meanest defence in the country. But the Omagh clubman, who missed all of last season with a torn cruciate ligament, would welcome that challenge.
"Jamie Clarke said during the week that big players live off pressure. That's the way you to want to have it going in. You want to have that pressure going in so you can make a difference," he said.
"When Mickey [Harte] throws you in, you need to make a difference because you want to be showing that you want to be in the starting team. I would be confident enough going into it," he said.
O'Neill shipped his last injury against Kerry in the last round of the League. A torn hamstring forced him to retire in the first half. More crucially, it kept him on the sidelines when he would have benefited from some hard pre-Championship training.
Although frustrated by the injury, O'Neill is satisfied that he is ready for action.
"I am 100 per cent," he said.
"It was hard coming back after an injury and trying get back to the pace of the game.
"I have played three League games for my club which helped massively. It helped the match fitness and I scored a few points so I am happy enough with that aspect."
O'Neill must be in decent shape because he understands the challenge which will be provided by the Donegal defence.
Space will be at a premium in Ballybofey. For inside forwards like O'Neill, the atmosphere will be claustrophobic as they can expect to be surrounded by a ring of gold and green.
Only a forward at the top of his game will make any headway against Donegal's ultra-mean defensive system. Again, O'Neill sounds like he would welcome the challenge.
"On the few occasions when you get the ball, you have to do something with it," said O'Neill (below).
"You have to get a score or create a score. The way football is going nowadays, forwards have to be extra patient. You have to wait for the chance or break to happen. When you get that break, you have to make the most of it. That is what probably separates the good forwards from the okay forwards. That's how Stephen O'Neill made his name."
And yet for all O'Neill's undoubted talent, there is no guarantee that he will feature on Sunday. If fit, Stephen O'Neill is the only player assured of a starting place. O'Neill, Connor McAliskey, Kyle Coney and Darren McCurry will not know their fate until the team is announced later this week.
Commenting on the competition he faces at training sessions, O'Neill said: "Connor McAliskey has come in and he was the top scorer in Tyrone club football last year. Everybody knows about Darren McCurry and what he did last summer.
"Stephen O'Neill and a few others are seasoned campaigners and top quality forwards. After getting injured, I knew I would have to work extremely hard if I was going to feature in Mickey's plan.
I was in the same boat as Kyle [Coney]. We were rehab partners. We knew it was going to take a big effort if we were going to feature in Mickey's 15 or his first 20. A lot of effort has gone in."
Regardless of whether he starts or whether he even comes on as a sub, O'Neill will not be overly disappointed. After a year on the sidelines, he will appreciate the fact that he is fit to train, play and contest for a position.
Recalling the experience of travelling to last year's first round match as a non-participant, he said: "It really only hit me when we came off the bus going into the Armagh game.
"When we came off the bus you could feel that buzz of Championship football. It really hit me then.
"It came as a shock because football is my life. I've always had football. It was lonely at times but I had my physio around, and my family were around me to pick me up when I was down. But I have come through the hard bit. This is the easy bit. I am back training."
■ TASK IN HAND: Ronan O'Neill (right) insists he is fully recovered from his hamstring injury and is ready to answer the call for Mickey Harte (left) in this weekend's mouthwatering Ulster SFC first round clash with Donegal Picture: PA
A lot of players seem to pull the hamstring when coming back from cruciate injuries, RON did it and Paddy Bradley also did it in his first game too. As mentioned in a previous post, I can't see SON having that much of an influence in this game, I imagine he will be swarmed out like he was last summer. I hope that Tyrone have learnt that the key to creating space in teams like Donegals backline is to hit quick accurate foot passes, soloing up the field allows Donegal to regroup and put 10 bodies in their own 45. I wonder how sharp Coney and RON actually are after being out for so long, its these type of players with speed and agaility that could ultimately make the difference in this Tyrone team that was so blunt in attack last year.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 21, 2013, 10:40:00 AM
A lot of players seem to pull the hamstring when coming back from cruciate injuries, RON did it and Paddy Bradley also did it in his first game too. As mentioned in a previous post, I can't see SON having that much of an influence in this game, I imagine he will be swarmed out like he was last summer. I hope that Tyrone have learnt that the key to creating space in teams like Donegals backline is to hit quick accurate foot passes, soloing up the field allows Donegal to regroup and put 10 bodies in their own 45. I wonder how sharp Coney and RON actually are after being out for so long, its these type of players with speed and agaility that could ultimately make the difference in this Tyrone team that was so blunt in attack last year.
It's the most common injury after a cruciate because they cut away a stand of your hamstring and screw it in as a new cruciate. It leaves the hamstring very weak and you need to seriously warm the muscle up before you could even think of going at full speed without a pull or a tweak.
I'm up in that part of the world on Sunday and have my ear to the ground for a ticket as I think it there is potential for a real battle. A lot of people don't think it will be good football but I think the 2 teams are more than capable of playing some good stuff even with the way they will be set up. I still fancy Donegal as I reckon McGuinness has been planning for Donegal to peak in this game. There will be nothing in it though I suspect.
can't wait for this game. find out tonight if i've a ticket.
This game is gonna be a WAR!
Tyrone to win the replay in Clones!
Story on the BBC that Lacey and Mark McHugh are doubtful. We could be in bother if two of our most influential players don't line out. Even if they do, as Fear said earlier, its hard to see Lacey, at least, being back to his best.
Niall Morgan to kick five drop goals.
Surely this game has 0-0 written all over it?
Story on the BBC that Lacey and Mark McHugh are doubtful. We could be in bother if two of our most influential players don't line out. Even if they do, as Fear said earlier, its hard to see Lacey, at least, being back to his best.
I wouldn't believe anything written in papers this week regarding team sheets and injuries!
There's talk of McGuinness putting out a never-seen-before formation.
2011 - Ultra defensive
2012 - Mastery of defence - lethal on the break
2013 - 14-man attack.
One man attack more like it
Quote from: screenexile on May 21, 2013, 10:45:33 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 21, 2013, 10:40:00 AM
A lot of players seem to pull the hamstring when coming back from cruciate injuries, RON did it and Paddy Bradley also did it in his first game too. As mentioned in a previous post, I can't see SON having that much of an influence in this game, I imagine he will be swarmed out like he was last summer. I hope that Tyrone have learnt that the key to creating space in teams like Donegals backline is to hit quick accurate foot passes, soloing up the field allows Donegal to regroup and put 10 bodies in their own 45. I wonder how sharp Coney and RON actually are after being out for so long, its these type of players with speed and agaility that could ultimately make the difference in this Tyrone team that was so blunt in attack last year.
It's the most common injury after a cruciate because they cut away a stand of your hamstring and screw it in as a new cruciate. It leaves the hamstring very weak and you need to seriously warm the muscle up before you could even think of going at full speed without a pull or a tweak.
I'm up in that part of the world on Sunday and have my ear to the ground for a ticket as I think it there is potential for a real battle. A lot of people don't think it will be good football but I think the 2 teams are more than capable of playing some good stuff even with the way they will be set up. I still fancy Donegal as I reckon McGuinness has been planning for Donegal to peak in this game. There will be nothing in it though I suspect.
Best of luck on he hunt for a ticket would imagine you won be the only 1 looking fo them in ballybofey on Sunday. If you don't get 1 make your wy to the Villa rose hotel it is directly beside th stadium and have a large screen being erected for Sunday.
On th game itself I'm expecting it to be a tight game with neither team giving an inch and think we will be very lucky if both team finish with 15 men each. Just have a feeling that we will do enough to win by a few points
I'm waiting to see who Paddy Heaney goes for. It's usually 100% accurate in terms of being incorrect. He hasn't called a winner since 2003.
This game could hinge on the performance of young McBrearty who has been on fire lately. If he clicks it will be hard to contain all three full forwards.
Seems to be huge anticiapation to the game both from Donegal/Tyrone people and neutrals. Though strangely this doesn't seem to be reflected in the ticket demand in Tyrone. As of yesterday it sounded like they had yet to shift their full small allocation. Certainly puts to bed any argument from Tyrone of where the game is.
Really looking forward to it. Rare that you get a first round match like this between two of the best teams that divides opinion so much. No one is calling it with any kind of certainty. It will be interesting to see just how good Donegal are and how much they've improved in the last few weeks. It has the makings of a real battle with huge intensity. Hopefully Tyrone's fitness can match Donegal and the players from the bench can swing the game.
Any injury news? McEniff said in the times today that there's a rumour Sean Cavanagh is injured. Any other rumours going about? Think Tyrone trained for 3 days over the weekend in Garvaghy - the weekend breaks must be a thing of the past.
Quote from: screenexile on May 21, 2013, 10:45:33 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 21, 2013, 10:40:00 AM
A lot of players seem to pull the hamstring when coming back from cruciate injuries, RON did it and Paddy Bradley also did it in his first game too. As mentioned in a previous post, I can't see SON having that much of an influence in this game, I imagine he will be swarmed out like he was last summer. I hope that Tyrone have learnt that the key to creating space in teams like Donegals backline is to hit quick accurate foot passes, soloing up the field allows Donegal to regroup and put 10 bodies in their own 45. I wonder how sharp Coney and RON actually are after being out for so long, its these type of players with speed and agaility that could ultimately make the difference in this Tyrone team that was so blunt in attack last year.
It's the most common injury after a cruciate because they cut away a stand of your hamstring and screw it in as a new cruciate. It leaves the hamstring very weak and you need to seriously warm the muscle up before you could even think of going at full speed without a pull or a tweak.
I'm up in that part of the world on Sunday and have my ear to the ground for a ticket as I think it there is potential for a real battle. A lot of people don't think it will be good football but I think the 2 teams are more than capable of playing some good stuff even with the way they will be set up. I still fancy Donegal as I reckon McGuinness has been planning for Donegal to peak in this game. There will be nothing in it though I suspect.
not totally true. The majority of ACL repairs are done with cadavers . The hamstring simply curls up in a ball due to its lack of use/ stretching . It's takes serious strength ing work to rehab the hamstring after that op.
Made the easiest 1 pound for the club there today when handjng a prediction sheet for the big match on Sunday the person filled in Donegal 3-05 v 2-09 Tyrone!!!!!!!!
The person was from Fermanagh so there could be the reason.
I wonder is there sometimes too much training. How much time would someone need for a recovery period. I would be curious to know how both teams approach each game with a diet and training plan. Dose anyone know?
Quote from: ONeill on May 21, 2013, 08:13:34 PM
There's talk of McGuinness putting out a never-seen-before formation.
2011 - Ultra defensive
2012 - Mastery of defence - lethal on the break
2013 - 14-man attack.
Jim stormed onto the field to take on Deegan after he didn't give Mangod Murphy a penalty in a challenge match in Athlone last Wednesday. By all accounts he was chomping down on every bit of scenery he could lay his gnashers on. Didn't like the fact we didn't lock down the ground like an RUC station for him, though.
Maybe Mickey can ring up some of the Monksland farmers at the match if he wants some classified info on the champs?
Still think Jim is a super man. Just a insane man too.
Quote from: Syferus on May 22, 2013, 12:49:11 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 21, 2013, 08:13:34 PM
There's talk of McGuinness putting out a never-seen-before formation.
2011 - Ultra defensive
2012 - Mastery of defence - lethal on the break
2013 - 14-man attack.
Jim stormed onto the field to take on Deggan after he didn't give Mangod Murphy a penalty in a challenge match in Athlone last Wednesday. By all accounts he was chomping down on every bit of scenery he could lay his gnashers on. Didn't like the fact we didn't lock down the ground like an RUC station for him, though.
Maybe Mickey can ring up some of the Monksland farmers at the match if he wants some classified info on the champs?
Still think Jim is a super man. Just a insane man too.
How did that game end up did all of donegals big players play in it. Have heard a lot of rumours that Lacey won't start on Sunday, hope this not the case as he is the main man in donegals system for the championship
Quote from: donegal lad on May 22, 2013, 01:27:47 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 22, 2013, 12:49:11 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 21, 2013, 08:13:34 PM
There's talk of McGuinness putting out a never-seen-before formation.
2011 - Ultra defensive
2012 - Mastery of defence - lethal on the break
2013 - 14-man attack.
Jim stormed onto the field to take on Deggan after he didn't give Mangod Murphy a penalty in a challenge match in Athlone last Wednesday. By all accounts he was chomping down on every bit of scenery he could lay his gnashers on. Didn't like the fact we didn't lock down the ground like an RUC station for him, though.
Maybe Mickey can ring up some of the Monksland farmers at the match if he wants some classified info on the champs?
Still think Jim is a super man. Just a insane man too.
How did that game end up did all of donegals big players play in it. Have heard a lot of rumours that Lacey won't start on Sunday, hope this not the case as he is the main man in donegals system for the championship
3-14 to 2-12 for the champs. We had a mostly full team out too, minus Donie Shine. I heard they were having a five-day camp in the area? Lovely part of the country for any county team to visit 8)
Quote from: Syferus on May 22, 2013, 01:30:53 AM
Quote from: donegal lad on May 22, 2013, 01:27:47 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 22, 2013, 12:49:11 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 21, 2013, 08:13:34 PM
There's talk of McGuinness putting out a never-seen-before formation.
2011 - Ultra defensive
2012 - Mastery of defence - lethal on the break
2013 - 14-man attack.
Jim stormed onto the field to take on Deggan after he didn't give Mangod Murphy a penalty in a challenge match in Athlone last Wednesday. By all accounts he was chomping down on every bit of scenery he could lay his gnashers on. Didn't like the fact we didn't lock down the ground like an RUC station for him, though.
Maybe Mickey can ring up some of the Monksland farmers at the match if he wants some classified info on the champs?
Still think Jim is a super man. Just a insane man too.
How did that game end up did all of donegals big players play in it. Have heard a lot of rumours that Lacey won't start on Sunday, hope this not the case as he is the main man in donegals system for the championship
3-14 to 2-12 for the champs. We had a mostly full team out too, minus Donie Shine. I heard they were having a five-day camp in the area? Lovely part of the country for any county team to visit 8)
They were staying in Johnstown house all last week. Jim does that before all big games takes them away for a weeks training. Surprisingly enough the buildup to this game is very low key up here. Heard today that Tyrone haven't sold all their tickets yet, no problem with ticket sales in donegal they are all gone and all local businesses in ballybofey are cashing in as well with big screens being provided.
Personally can't wit for the game to start would love for murphy to put the ball into the net passed morgan after all his verbals towards him in the league game. Will be a good old fashion ulster championship game and may the best team win :)
I'd fancy Donegal to win by 1-2 points, maybe even after a replay
Tickets are like hens teeth in Tyrone - talk of them not selling is complete nonsense.
Quote from: ONeill on May 21, 2013, 09:27:49 PM
I'm waiting to see who Paddy Heaney goes for. It's usually 100% accurate in terms of being incorrect. He hasn't called a winner since 2003.
Paddy Heaney picked Tyrone at Irish news GAA night in belfast monday evening. Surprisingly the whole panel went for Tyrone. id be happy enough with that if i was Donegal.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 21, 2013, 09:48:26 PM
This game could hinge on the performance of young McBrearty who has been on fire lately. If he clicks it will be hard to contain all three full forwards.
Has McBrearty ever really been 'on fire' in his senior inter-county career so far? Doesn't seem to be too many scores in him.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 22, 2013, 06:51:45 AM
Tickets are like hens teeth in Tyrone - talk of them not selling is complete nonsense.
+1
Definitely a shortage
That story about tickets not selling started from Twitter/FB on Monday, when @TyroneGAALive said a number of terrace tickets were still available through your club - not the Tyrone GAA offices. I believe it was a small number and all went pretty quickly therafter.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 22, 2013, 08:52:46 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 21, 2013, 09:48:26 PM
This game could hinge on the performance of young McBrearty who has been on fire lately. If he clicks it will be hard to contain all three full forwards.
Has McBrearty ever really been 'on fire' in his senior inter-county career so far? Doesn't seem to be too many scores in him.
Christ he's 19 years old!! Give the lad a chance!! It's not as if he has 5+ year of county football under his belt. He was certainly on fire for the U21's earlier in the year and has started superbly for Kilcar this season!!
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 21, 2013, 09:48:26 PM
This game could hinge on the performance of young McBrearty who has been on fire lately. If he clicks it will be hard to contain all three full forwards.
I'd say there is about as much chance of Donegal playing with 3 orthodox full forwards than there is of a pig flying over Ballybofey on Sunday afternoon. Jimmys system tends to make his defenders look betterplayers than they actually are but probably makes his forwards look not as good as they actually are. McBrearty is a very talented player but the system doesn't get the best out of either him or Murphy.
Yeah defenders and midfielders tend to get the most of the scores in these tight matches and with Morgan hitting our frees ye can include a goalkeeper now too.
I watched the second half of last year's game there last night and it sure was physically demanding during the rain for a long period. Stevie lost possession loads of times mainly because as soon as he got it there was 5 men around him.
It must be almost off putting for forwards to get the ball with their back to goal as they know they need to do something special or off load immediately or they're gonna cough up possession.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 22, 2013, 10:09:23 AM
Yeah defenders and midfielders tend to get the most of the scores in these tight matches and with Morgan hitting our frees ye can include a goalkeeper now too.
I watched the second half of last year's game there last night and it sure was physically demanding during the rain for a long period. Stevie lost possession loads of times mainly because as soon as he got it there was 5 men around him. It must be almost off putting for forwards to get the ball with their back to goal as they know they need to do something special or off load immediately or they're gonna cough up possession.
By the looks of Tyrone in the league they have worked extremely hard on maintaining possession in the tackle. The improvement in the Donnellys is a prime example and they were getting stronger and stronger as the league progressed. An article posted earlier about Matty Donnelly working on leg strenghening was an interesting indication of the type of work they are doing.
I was trying to pick Mickey's team last night and could only come up with 7 or 8 players who will definately start and even then its tough to line them out into potential positions. Was this Mickey's intention throughout the league to keep Jimmy guessing? McGuinness will have no idea what the Tyrone starting 15 will be, but im pretty sure there will not be many changes to Donegal. Its got all the makings of real intriguing encounter - maybe not a classic in the free flowing, high scoring sense, but a real proper championship game.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 22, 2013, 06:51:45 AM
Tickets are like hens teeth in Tyrone - talk of them not selling is complete nonsense.
I only mentioned it because seen it in a report from ulster council yesterday sayin that there was still fe tickets available in Tyrone. Was surprised to hear that because they so hard to get here. Will be plenty available around ballybofey on Sunday I'd say if anyone is willing to pay the price
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 22, 2013, 08:52:46 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 21, 2013, 09:48:26 PM
This game could hinge on the performance of young McBrearty who has been on fire lately. If he clicks it will be hard to contain all three full forwards.
Has McBrearty ever really been 'on fire' in his senior inter-county career so far? Doesn't seem to be too many scores in him.
The lads only 19 would cut him some slack. Last year jim had him playing further out the feld than he would of liked and he admitted himself he would prefer to be in the ff line getting the scores bu was willing to do what was asked of him. Anyone from donegal can tell you he is a class act carried the u21 team to an ulster final this year and his scores have put his club on top of the div1 league
Yeah BennyHarp I think your right and sure hope it works out that way.
When I watched that last night I thought Tyrone looked very edgy in possession as they moved into Donegal's half. Their body language looked like they expected to get caught up in the net or spill possession. Donegal seemed more patient moving the ball around and waiting for an opening to come.
I am hoping the match v Dublin will stand to us but we got a lot of shooting opportunities which won't be there on Sunday you'd imagine. Kicking points from 40 yards would be important you would imagine and so people like Sean, Joey, McAliskey and even Gormley could be vital in that context.
Where to play Stevie is as usual the big problem so that you can get him into the game or get him some shooting opportunities. Could we isolate him out on the right wing ;)
The one thing I hate about these types of matches is this slow hand passing up the field, not knowing how we're gonna break the line and then inevitably a loose pass or someone gets a hand in and then they go down the other side and get a soft score. As well as conceding the score it really damages your team psychologically as the next time they now have the fear of that happening again. As pundits often say, Donegal GRIND you down and cause fear & panic whilst draining all your forwards confidence away.
I'd like to see McAliskey win his first ball (if he plays of course) and turn and shoot right away.
If he misses he misses but at least he gets his shot away. It's games like this I'm glad Mugsy is not playing as he often was too slow to just catch turn and shoot.
On another note. I wonder how well McGuinness and Co will keep their heads if things start to go against them. If the ref isn't giving them frees or sends someone off. We rarely see Harte lose the head so wonder will Jimmy manage the same. He has really talked this game up now all year and so the pressure is on him & his team. If they lose will he say "Yes we actually are happier to go down the back door route this year"
McGuinness has never lost the head so far. In fact, one of the most impressive things about his tenure has been his calmness and decision making on the line. You don't see Donegal playing a shite half and coming out and repeating it. You couldn't say the same for his more recent predecessors.
Tyrone injury news...
Ronan O'Neill - out for a few weeks. Carlin doubtful
Better news for Cassidy & Justy
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=192827
Am delighted to see Cassidy back. Could make a big contribution coming on second half.
Quote from: ONeill on March 27, 2013, 12:04:12 AM
Tyrone by 4.
Donegal 0-11
Tyrone 1-12
Donegal scorers: Murphy 0-7 (0-6f, 0-1 45m), McBrearty 0-2 (0-2f), McFadden 0-2 (0-1f)
Tyrone scorers: Harte 1-2 (1-1f), S Cavanagh 0-4 (0-2f), S O'Neill 0-2 (0-1f), Penrose 0-1, Morgan 0-1 (1 45m), McAliskey 0-1, Mark Donnelly 0-1
Cant see tyrone holding them scoreless from play ;D
Quote from: Hillbilly on May 22, 2013, 12:11:34 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 27, 2013, 12:04:12 AM
Tyrone by 4.
Donegal 0-11
Tyrone 1-12
Donegal scorers: Murphy 0-7 (0-6f, 0-1 45m), McBrearty 0-2 (0-2f), McFadden 0-2 (0-1f)
Tyrone scorers: Harte 1-2 (1-1f), S Cavanagh 0-4 (0-2f), S O'Neill 0-2 (0-1f), Penrose 0-1, Morgan 0-1 (1 45m), McAliskey 0-1, Mark Donnelly 0-1
Cant see tyrone holding them scoreless from play ;D
McFadden got a point from play - it was late on though and was only a consolation score! :D
This will be some occasion. If you can get your hands on a ticket get on it.
yeah i cant feckin wait for this one. Havnt been looking forward to a game of football as much in a long long time. Bank holiday weekend as well means pints are guaranteed afterwards.
Have no idea how the result will go, but it seems sure to be a titanic struggle.
One thing thats gratin on me, everyones tippin Tyrone. This is most definitely a bad omen.
http://www.hoganstand.com/tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=192478
Mc Aliskey for first goal scorer - get on it. Im feeling nice and confident. I feel its 2002 / 03 all over again.
AI champions to be bate in the first round and to make it through the back door. A Tyrone V Donegal aifinal in prosepect with a Tyrone double.
An impossible task but I will give it a shot:
Morgan
McCarron
Justy
PJ Quinn
Conor Clarke
Matty Donnelly
Conor Gormley
Sean C
Colm C
Petey Harte
Mark Donnelly
Joey
McAliskey
SoN
Penrose
Think we need to do something different this year or at least mix it up a bit more. I wonder if we will see Mickey asking Joey or Sean to do a few shifts up front with SoN and get long quick ball in there to see how that pans out? I'm more confident this year in our running game as this was a major stumbling block over the last few years. We have younger legs running the ball but they also appear to be stronger and breaking tackles more often.
Having rewatched the games from the previous two years it only served to highlight how important the 'inches' are. In2011 it was Marty Swift misjudging a simple ball and spilling it leading directly to the brick Molloy's winning goal and in 2012 it was Penrose's daisy cutter scimming Durcan's boot and post which denied us a draw. I think it's too close to call, so I am going to sit on the fence and call a draw.
1-12 apiece.
FYi an interview with young Morgan:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/22622280
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 22, 2013, 02:04:48 PM
An impossible task but I will give it a shot:
Morgan
McCarron
Justy
PJ Quinn
Conor Clarke
Matty Donnelly
Conor Gormley
Sean C
Colm C
Petey Harte
Mark Donnelly
Joey
McAliskey
SoN
Penrose
Think we need to do something different this year or at least mix it up a bit more. I wonder if we will see Mickey asking Joey or Sean to do a few shifts up front with SoN and get long quick ball in there to see how that pans out? I'm more confident this year in our running game as this was a major stumbling block over the last few years. We have younger legs running the ball but they also appear to be stronger and breaking tackles more often.
Having rewatched the games from the previous two years it only served to highlight how important the 'inches' are. In2011 it was Marty Swift misjudging a simple ball and spilling it leading directly to the brick Molloy's winning goal and in 2012 it was Penrose's daisy cutter scimming Durcan's boot and post which denied us a draw. I think it's too close to call, so I am going to sit on the fence and call a draw.
1-12 apiece.
FYi an interview with young Morgan:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/22622280
Id make one change to the team above. id have joey number 3 after that stifling job he done on Murphy in Clones in 2011 before he went off injured it was the best ever i seen Murphy contained in a game to date with probably Paddy McNeice coming into the half forward line at Justys expense.
I'd agree that Joey is the man to mark Murphy. No matter where he plays.
I just don't think Justy is reliable enough these days or gets tight enough although I suppose no matter who's gonna be full back, he's gonna have a lot of support around him.
I'd be surprised if Mickey starts McNeice as no doubt Petey, 2 Donnellys & probably Penrose will all be playing around the defensive wall.
It was noticeable last year how often Rory Kavanagh gets himself into space and kicks a good few scores. I wonder how Mickey feels the 2 Cavanagh brothers have done around MF. Colm needs to keep his discipline and not be getting any silly yellows early on.
I'd say we'll see Cassidy in the second half like in a few league games.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 22, 2013, 02:40:08 PM
I'd agree that Joey is the man to mark Murphy. No matter where he plays.
I just don't think Justy is reliable enough these days or gets tight enough although I suppose no matter who's gonna be full back, he's gonna have a lot of support around him.
I'd be surprised if Mickey starts McNeice as no doubt Petey, 2 Donnellys & probably Penrose will all be playing around the defensive wall.
It was noticeable last year how often Rory Kavanagh gets himself into space and kicks a good few scores. I wonder how Mickey feels the 2 Cavanagh brothers have done around MF. Colm needs to keep his discipline and not be getting any silly yellows early on.
I'd say we'll see Cassidy in the second half like in a few league games.
Having watched Tyrone and a good bit of football around the place I am completely baffled by this lads inclusion in the Tyrone squad never mind making the team.
Am I missing something? Not being nasty or anything about I am genuinely confused on this one.
I know what you mean Nag1 but we're not exactly blessed with midfielders and in fairness to him he wins his fair share of kickouts and kicks the odd score but of course is no where near Sean's level.
He has improved over the years but if Cassidy was totally fit I too would not have him starting.
I see Tyrone returned 1000 tickets to Donegal according to the Donegal Democrat (http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/sport/local-sport/donegal-clubs-receive-1-000-extra-tickets-for-tyrone-tie-1-5117180)
Does this show that a lot of fans thought there was no point in looking for tickets as they wouldn't get one anyway or are we worried we're gonna lose?
Quote from: God14 on May 22, 2013, 08:54:36 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 22, 2013, 06:51:45 AM
Tickets are like hens teeth in Tyrone - talk of them not selling is complete nonsense.
+1
Definitely a shortage
That story about tickets not selling started from Twitter/FB on Monday, when @TyroneGAALive said a number of terrace tickets were still available through your club - not the Tyrone GAA offices. I believe it was a small number and all went pretty quickly therafter.
Some amount of hen's teeth headed back to Donegal, it seems.
From the Donegal News
BY CHRIS MCNULTY
DONEGAL GAA clubs have been given 1,000 extra tickets for Sunday's Ulster SFC quarter-final against Tyrone in Ballybofey – after Tyrone's allocation failed to sell out to members.
Despite Red Hand officials claiming in recent weeks that the 5,750 tickets allocated to them would not be sufficient, the O'Neill county has returned a batch of 1,000 of the prized tickets, all of which will be divided among Donegal's 40 clubs.
The increased allocation will be music to the ears of some strained club officials in Donegal who have been dealing with unprecedented demand for a first round fixture. It also means that there will be a boosted Tir Chonaill support for a game that has been billed as the biggest first round game in Ulster in many years.
In the last couple of weeks, officials from Tyrone had bemoaned their allocation.
"We're very disappointed with the allocation of tickets," their PRO Eunan Lindsay had said."We are left with one ticket for every two adult members in the county and that's before we even look at youth."
However, Tyrone members are now content to miss out on the Ballybofey blockbuster. "I know from my own club, people are reluctant to take children to a sold-out game on terrace tickets when the place will be full to capacity," Mr Lindsay told the Donegal News.
"Roughly 25 per cent to a third of the attendance would usually be children and it seems that there are families now who aren't really pushed about going."
The returned tickets are all terrace tickets and will now be divided among the clubs, who are asked to submit their requests to the Co Board by email today and officials are hoping that they will be available for distribution this evening. Clubs are asked to have cheque for payment when collecting their tickets.
That doesn't make a lot of sense, on the surface, since there's definitely a demand in Tyrone that has been nowhere near met.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 22, 2013, 02:40:08 PM
I'd agree that Joey is the man to mark Murphy. No matter where he plays.
I just don't think Justy is reliable enough these days or gets tight enough although I suppose no matter who's gonna be full back, he's gonna have a lot of support around him.
I'd be surprised if Mickey starts McNeice as no doubt Petey, 2 Donnellys & probably Penrose will all be playing around the defensive wall.
It was noticeable last year how often Rory Kavanagh gets himself into space and kicks a good few scores. I wonder how Mickey feels the 2 Cavanagh brothers have done around MF. Colm needs to keep his discipline and not be getting any silly yellows early on.
I'd say we'll see Cassidy in the second half like in a few league games.
Has anybody heard how Donegal have done in practice games or that leading up to sunday. heard they were to play Galway a few weeks ago that could be a bad yard stick after last weekends result for them.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 22, 2013, 04:30:26 PM
That doesn't make a lot of sense, on the surface, since there's definitely a demand in Tyrone that has been nowhere near met.
That's what I heard too Fear so was very surprised to read that 1000 were returned.
Is it another Donegal wind up story? ;D
They beat Roscommon last week nothingbettertobeat & Lacey played.
I'd love to see Peter Harte in the FF line alongside O'Neill.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 22, 2013, 04:39:16 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 22, 2013, 04:30:26 PM
That doesn't make a lot of sense, on the surface, since there's definitely a demand in Tyrone that has been nowhere near met.
That's what I heard too Fear so was very surprised to read that 1000 were returned.
Is it another Donegal wind up story? ;D
They beat Roscommon last week nothingbettertobeat & Lacey played.
Wind up story surely after the hype Tyrone made about the game been in Ballybofey in recent months Donegal are at the mind games i doubt.
Quote from: Craigyhill Terror on May 22, 2013, 04:05:02 PM
Quote from: God14 on May 22, 2013, 08:54:36 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 22, 2013, 06:51:45 AM
Tickets are like hens teeth in Tyrone - talk of them not selling is complete nonsense.
+1
Definitely a shortage
That story about tickets not selling started from Twitter/FB on Monday, when @TyroneGAALive said a number of terrace tickets were still available through your club - not the Tyrone GAA offices. I believe it was a small number and all went pretty quickly therafter.
Some amount of hen's teeth headed back to Donegal, it seems.
From the Donegal News
BY CHRIS MCNULTY
DONEGAL GAA clubs have been given 1,000 extra tickets for Sunday's Ulster SFC quarter-final against Tyrone in Ballybofey – after Tyrone's allocation failed to sell out to members.
Despite Red Hand officials claiming in recent weeks that the 5,750 tickets allocated to them would not be sufficient, the O'Neill county has returned a batch of 1,000 of the prized tickets, all of which will be divided among Donegal's 40 clubs.
The increased allocation will be music to the ears of some strained club officials in Donegal who have been dealing with unprecedented demand for a first round fixture. It also means that there will be a boosted Tir Chonaill support for a game that has been billed as the biggest first round game in Ulster in many years.
In the last couple of weeks, officials from Tyrone had bemoaned their allocation.
"We're very disappointed with the allocation of tickets," their PRO Eunan Lindsay had said."We are left with one ticket for every two adult members in the county and that's before we even look at youth."
However, Tyrone members are now content to miss out on the Ballybofey blockbuster. "I know from my own club, people are reluctant to take children to a sold-out game on terrace tickets when the place will be full to capacity," Mr Lindsay told the Donegal News.
"Roughly 25 per cent to a third of the attendance would usually be children and it seems that there are families now who aren't really pushed about going."
The returned tickets are all terrace tickets and will now be divided among the clubs, who are asked to submit their requests to the Co Board by email today and officials are hoping that they will be available for distribution this evening. Clubs are asked to have cheque for payment when collecting their tickets.
This story is not true! Donegal PR machine in full flow. Do they really think that there was nobody in Tyrone who would have taken those tickets. They expect us to believe that at clubs across the county, players, officials and supporters to a man rejected the opportunity to go to the game and the county board where at such a loss what to do that they returned them to Donegal, even after the gripes about not playing in Clones? I personally know of 5 or 6 members of various clubs who couldn't get tickets. If this is true then there is serious questions to be asked!
It must be Jim McGuinness at more of his mind games ;D
After complaining about the choice of venue for so long what will Mickey Hartes reaction be now to the news that Tyrone have returned 1,000 tickets. It must be a fair source of embarrassment now for the Tyrone County Board in the run up to the game.
usual hype. If the game had of been at clones there would never have been near 25,000 at it, never mind a full house. Ballybofey was chosen and 18,000 will be more than enough, prob wont even be full. Strip away all the hype of all ireland champs, local derby, revenge etc, and what ur left with is a first round match in May thats loads of fans won't bother going near
Quote from: yellowcard on May 22, 2013, 05:22:45 PM
After complaining about the choice of venue for so long what will Mickey Hartes reaction be now to the news that Tyrone have returned 1,000 tickets. It must be a fair source of embarrassment now for the Tyrone County Board in the run up to the game.
Sure we had the same whinging from Armagh in 2007, and after all was said and done, they too returned tickets unsold. I think Joe Kernan or someone in Armagh management criticized their supporters over it.
Quote from: ONeill on May 22, 2013, 04:53:01 PM
I'd love to see Peter Harte in the FF line alongside O'Neill.
I would be interested to see how that would go, he has gone slightly stale this last year or so. Moving into the FF line certainly would provide a different challenge. He wouldn't be found wanting in the ball winning department and has the quick thinking to use the ball well in tight situations.
tyrone returned a 1000 tickets, where all the fan base gone? after 10 + pages of crying about Tyrone not getting enough tickets and the games should be played in clones as demand be so great!! Kinda misjudged that one
On another point i always thought the terrace opposite the stand has health and safety issues the walkways at the back of the terrace are very narrow and movement along this area is a crush waiting to happen. Couldnt understand why this area has not been widen out. there a world of different watching the game here and across the pitch in the stand which is great
In my experience, if you've a terrace ticket, head for the river end in Ballybofey. Crowd always builds up from midfield towards the town, with people assuming that the far end must be packed too., when often you'll get a great vantage point near the river end 45.
yeah i found that out myself, but there a choke point about 30 m in where u can stay there 5mins going no where as it cant take traffic flow of people in both directions
Don't know if its still the same, but the hill in Clones used to be like that at times as well with the majority of the crowd gathering along the near half of the field. I suppose any sideline terrace where the crowd all comes in from one direction will be.
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Tickets are like hens teeth in Tyrone - talk of them not selling is complete nonsense.
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Definitely a shortage
That story about tickets not selling started from Twitter/FB on Monday, when @TyroneGAALive said a number of terrace tickets were still available through your club - not the Tyrone GAA offices. I believe it was a small number and all went pretty quickly therafter.
Some amount of hen's teeth headed back to Donegal, it seems.
From the Donegal News
BY CHRIS MCNULTY
DONEGAL GAA clubs have been given 1,000 extra tickets for Sunday's Ulster SFC quarter-final against Tyrone in Ballybofey – after Tyrone's allocation failed to sell out to members.
Despite Red Hand officials claiming in recent weeks that the 5,750 tickets allocated to them would not be sufficient, the O'Neill county has returned a batch of 1,000 of the prized tickets, all of which will be divided among Donegal's 40 clubs.
The increased allocation will be music to the ears of some strained club officials in Donegal who have been dealing with unprecedented demand for a first round fixture. It also means that there will be a boosted Tir Chonaill support for a game that has been billed as the biggest first round game in Ulster in many years.
In the last couple of weeks, officials from Tyrone had bemoaned their allocation.
"We're very disappointed with the allocation of tickets," their PRO Eunan Lindsay had said."We are left with one ticket for every two adult members in the county and that's before we even look at youth."
However, Tyrone members are now content to miss out on the Ballybofey blockbuster. "I know from my own club, people are reluctant to take children to a sold-out game on terrace tickets when the place will be full to capacity," Mr Lindsay told the Donegal News.
"Roughly 25 per cent to a third of the attendance would usually be children and it seems that there are families now who aren't really pushed about going."
The returned tickets are all terrace tickets and will now be divided among the clubs, who are asked to submit their requests to the Co Board by email today and officials are hoping that they will be available for distribution this evening. Clubs are asked to have cheque for payment when collecting their tickets.
This story is not true! Donegal PR machine in full flow. Do they really think that there was nobody in Tyrone who would have taken those tickets. They expect us to believe that at clubs across the county, players, officials and supporters to a man rejected the opportunity to go to the game and the county board where at such a loss what to do that they returned them to Donegal, even after the gripes about not playing in Clones? I personally know of 5 or 6 members of various clubs who couldn't get tickets. If this is true then there is serious questions to be asked!
Story is 100% true as my own club received an extra 30 tickets today from this batch of tickets. Seems families aren't happy to take children to ballybofey and there is meant to be a number of 1st holy communions on the same day still surprised tho since have been hearing so much about the lack of tickets in tyrone
This is massive for Mickey.
The whippersnapper McGuinness came along in 2011, praising Mickey in the run-up and then done him over, albeit with a Swift error.
2012, he still talked about Tyrone as the yardstick and turned them over.
2013 - he's the main man now. Another win and he has made Mickey his bitch.
Quote from: ONeill on May 22, 2013, 10:14:03 PM
This is massive for Mickey.
The whippersnapper McGuinness came along in 2011, praising Mickey in the run-up and then done him over, albeit with a Swift error.
2012, he still talked about Tyrone as the yardstick and turned them over.
2013 - he's the main man now. Another win and he has made Mickey his bitch.
Would agree with that!! I'd say Mickey see's this as a huge game in his managerial career. It will be a serious blip to be turned over by a Donegal team lead by McGuiness 3 years in a row. But I've no doubt that this has driven him on for the last year and will hopefully lead to a huge display from Tyrone. I'm surprised so many people have tipped Tyrone as they're definitely underdogs but I really think we can do it.
It will be interesting to see the Tyrone team tomorrow night. I'm really not convinced McNeice has done enough to earn a starting spot but would not shock me if he was on. Think I said it earlier but I expect the following team if everyone is fit:
Morgan
McCarron
Clarke
PJ
Gormley
Mattie D
Justy
Cavanagh
Cavanagh
Penrose
Harte
Joe Mc
Mark D
Stevie
McAliskey
I'd be confident at least 13 of that team will start. I suppose the biggest doubts would be over Justy and PJ in defence as both have carried knocks. A fully fit Justy is more than worth his place but he has struggled to get there. I suppose up front the only doubts would be over whether he starts Penrose and McAliskey. I think McAliskey may have did enough v Dublin to get his place. Disappointing Ronan O'Neill isn't an option from the bench.
everybody tipping Tyrone, even on here after playing dublin, alot are confident of beating donegal then only worry is playing dublin in the all-Ireland final. I honesty think the supporters are too over confident
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 22, 2013, 10:40:16 PM
everybody tipping Tyrone, even on here after playing dublin, alot are confident of beating donegal then only worry is playing dublin in the all-Ireland final. I honesty think the supporters are too over confident
What? Not sure were your getting that!! Anyone tipping on the game seem to think its pretty 50 50 and haven't heard anyone being overly confident in tipping Tyrone.
go back and look at alot of opinions after the league final, i havent seen one tyrone man on here who does not think he going to win,
I'm disappointed that mc Guinness has other priorities this year ie Celtic so I think with 5 to go any work that has nt been done might become obvious
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 22, 2013, 11:00:13 PM
go back and look at alot of opinions after the league final, i havent seen one tyrone man on here who does not think he going to win,
I think Donegal will win.
your the first, i myself am not sure who going to win, i better idea once i see the teams, Donegal may have a few key players off the pace/injured and if O`Neill doesnt start for Tyrone it gets a bit messy prediction wise, Tyrone have better players but hey we all heard this about Kerry in the past
I think Donegal, as All Ireland Champs, are potential winners again. I don't think Tyrone are.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 22, 2013, 11:23:14 PM
your the first, i myself am not sure who going to win, i better idea once i see the teams, Donegal may have a few key players off the pace/injured and if O`Neill doesnt start for Tyrone it gets a bit messy prediction wise, Tyrone have better players but hey we all heard this about Kerry in the past
Don't see where you're getting this Tyrone confidence from, I ain't seeing/reading it!
There are no concerns about Stevie O'Neill's fittness as far as I am aware.
50-50 game. One moment of madness/genius either on the field or sideline will win it.
Got my ticket today, dog can relax a bit ;) ;)
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 22, 2013, 11:00:13 PM
go back and look at alot of opinions after the league final, i havent seen one tyrone man on here who does not think he going to win,
Have you saw many Donegal men tipping Tyrone to win?
Quote from: J70 on May 22, 2013, 07:05:59 PM
In my experience, if you've a terrace ticket, head for the river end in Ballybofey. Crowd always builds up from midfield towards the town, with people assuming that the far end must be packed too., when often you'll get a great vantage point near the river end 45.
I still don't know whether or not to believe this story about the tickets been sent back.The Tyrone folk have half an eye on the Derry/Down semi final tie there likely to be saving themselves for it
I dont believe the story about Tyrone returning tickets either
We were allocated 5750 tickets. I cant believe that only 4750 therefore wanted to attend a championship match.
Either a balls up on the distribution, or Donegal PR stunt!
I didn't believe it either, as I know our club were crying out for tickets. But I've read a few articles saying that the tickets are already back to the Donegal clubs, there's even a breakdown of how many each club is getting so I can't believe that a stunt would go that far. Really surprised with the poor uptake.
I don't know if it's a coincidence or not but first I was told that I had lost out in my club draw for a ticket, then I got a text at 11.30 last night to tell me that I had one. Go figure.
As an interested neutral I'm fascinated at the prospect of this game. Will it be a tactical battle between the two best coaches in the country whereby perfectly prepared teams do battle over 70 mins with the minimum between them or will it be a boring, negative, cynical, yellow and red card riddled load of shite??
Hopefully the former. Donegal by 2
Here's a report from rte on the tickets being sent back. As I said my own club received an extra allocation yesterday
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0522/451964-extra-tickets-for-donegal-in-ballybofey/
Quote from: Declan on May 23, 2013, 10:12:13 AM
As an interested neutral I'm fascinated at the prospect of this game. Will it be a tactical battle between the two best coaches in the country whereby perfectly prepared teams do battle over 70 mins with the minimum between them or will it be a boring, negative, cynical, yellow and red card riddled load of shite??
Hopefully the former. Donegal by 2
Probably both. Wouldn't rule out a draw but if pushed I think Donegal might shade it.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 23, 2013, 11:20:28 AM
Quote from: Declan on May 23, 2013, 10:12:13 AM
As an interested neutral I'm fascinated at the prospect of this game. Will it be a tactical battle between the two best coaches in the country whereby perfectly prepared teams do battle over 70 mins with the minimum between them or will it be a boring, negative, cynical, yellow and red card riddled load of shite??
Hopefully the former. Donegal by 2
It will be tactical, & cynical but a boring load of shite? I don't think so.
I also am very worried Jimmy will make it three in a row. My reasoning is that having watched last year's match again, I just think Donegal are better at working the asses off to put pressure on the man with the ball. Anywhere inside their own half, they are like hyenas surrounding a player and giving him no room to breathe. Whereas last year we don't do it with the same intensity and I felt we had to work much harder for our scores whereas Donegal, especially in the 2nd half just waited until a shooting chance arrived and it looked easier for them.
Will they be able to match that this year? Will they be able to grind out those vital scores in the final 15 mins. Are Tyrone fitter than they were last year? I would hope so but at the moment if I'm being 100% honest I think Donegal (with the confidence of having won the AI AND knowing they beat us the last 2 years) will have enough to beat us.
However, the challenge of getting back to that level when you have a medal in yer back pocket is often too much for some 9 months later. Whereas Tyrone feel they MUST been Donegal now otherwise they truly are the new Kings of Ulster.
A lot of pundits in the media have tipped Tyrone and I would say it is mainly based on their league performance but I think nobody really can feel confident which way this will go. In previous years Tyrone have tended to win the first half and Donegal win the second half and finish more strongly. It was only in the last 10 mins that they loosened their stranglehold on the Tyrone attack and we managed to get close to them again.
I think the ref will have a crucial role to play. If he lets it flow like Deegan did last weekend then I think Tyrone will struggle but if he gives frees for any sort of pulling or dragging then I think Morgan will punish them.
As Martin McHugh & Oisin Fr Stone said last year on BBC, it's intriguing tactical battle but for the neutral its a horrible congested game what nobody enjoys watching. People want to see great skill and scores from players like Murphy, McFadden, Stephen O'Neill and Sean Cavanagh but of course this is not allowed to happen cos its win at all costs.
I predict a lot of unhappy neutrals on Sunday evening and a replay in Clones. ;D
U can almost hear Spillane's halftime analysis right now lol.
Big improvement needed from Donegal on the Leauge.
Last year it was Cavan away. This year at home to a resurgent Tyrone . There's a bit of a difference.
Starting players like McLoone and Bradley would need to start hitting scores and going for it. Someone said further back that it's often defenders and Midfielders who end up getting alot of crucial points in these games and it's a good point. Tyrone have been scoring from all sorts of acute angles and dividing out the points in the Leauge. Donegal not so much.
Will be a big shame if McHugh isn't able to play as he adds so much pace to the counterattack. Rory tried his best to cover that type of ground in the latter games in the Leauge but dosn't have the zip.
Low score affair plenty of handpassing maybe a red card or two.I'm sure no-one expects anything less.
I'm thinking Jim will stick big Ross Wherrity on at least as a Substitute and use him as a potential target man in the half-forward line. Gives something different.
Hoping Donegal can bring their shooting boots as they're unlikely to get as close to the Tyrone defence as they'd ideally need in a game of 80% defence oriented football from both counties.
Hard to see many goals.
I'm not sure Tyrone have a target man,as such. Jim will be look to starve their fullforward line and cut the diagonal balls to the likes of O'Neill making them handpass the ball up the middle, I'm sure Harte will have his own gameplan too .
It won't be the end for either team whoever loses.
Hope Donegal for one point win or at least a draw.
Quote from: donegal lad on May 23, 2013, 11:08:04 AM
Here's a report from rte on the tickets being sent back. As I said my own club received an extra allocation yesterday
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0522/451964-extra-tickets-for-donegal-in-ballybofey/
They are just reporting the same story. All bluff, these are tickets held back and released by the Donegal county board.
Exactly ye couldn't get a ticket in Tyrone for love nor money. But from a PR perspective and fair play Donegal where theres a PR game ye'll not be behind. Round 1 Donegal.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 23, 2013, 01:50:42 PM
Quote from: donegal lad on May 23, 2013, 11:08:04 AM
Here's a report from rte on the tickets being sent back. As I said my own club received an extra allocation yesterday
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0522/451964-extra-tickets-for-donegal-in-ballybofey/
They are just reporting the same story. All bluff, these are tickets held back and released by the Donegal county board.
You may be right, but has anyone from the Tyrone County Board come out & said that they haven't sent tickets back? Until they do......
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 23, 2013, 02:10:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 23, 2013, 01:50:42 PM
Quote from: donegal lad on May 23, 2013, 11:08:04 AM
Here's a report from rte on the tickets being sent back. As I said my own club received an extra allocation yesterday
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0522/451964-extra-tickets-for-donegal-in-ballybofey/
They are just reporting the same story. All bluff, these are tickets held back and released by the Donegal county board.
You may be right, but has anyone from the Tyrone County Board come out & said that they haven't sent tickets back? Until they do......
Have they come out and said they have sent them back? Why should they respond to this? Best to hold your council in these circumstances - ask Paul Grimley!
They should have had a Plan B for these tickets rather than trying to perfect plan A first.
It's a long time since I've been to a match in Ballybofey and I think it was a league match back in the early 90s. I would presume this will be a first for a lot of Tyrone fans so I hope yer prepared for the traffic chaos into the place. Suppose most will go via Strabane or Castlederg and then the N15 unless ye chance one of the back roads.
I heard from an aul timer saying they had to wait for 2 hours to get out of the place one time.
Will be interesting to see how Donegal deal with big Sean this year. He's a hard man to stop (legally) when he's running at ye.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 23, 2013, 02:11:48 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 23, 2013, 02:10:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 23, 2013, 01:50:42 PM
Quote from: donegal lad on May 23, 2013, 11:08:04 AM
Here's a report from rte on the tickets being sent back. As I said my own club received an extra allocation yesterday
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0522/451964-extra-tickets-for-donegal-in-ballybofey/
They are just reporting the same story. All bluff, these are tickets held back and released by the Donegal county board.
You may be right, but has anyone from the Tyrone County Board come out & said that they haven't sent tickets back? Until they do......
Have they come out and said they have sent them back? Why should they respond to this? Best to hold your council in these circumstances - ask Paul Grimley!
Poor old Paul is going to be held up as an example of how not to let information out for years to come!!!
But if Donegal are lying about getting tickets from Tyrone then we should be told. This sort of thing has to be stopped >:( >:( >:(
Carrickmore definitely haven't enough tickets to meet the demand. People have been told that they are waiting to see if the Ulster Council have an allocation for neutrals who didn't avail of the tickets. Indeed a great PR stunt by Donegal and I too would want them to substantiate this claim about allocations coming from Tyrone.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 23, 2013, 03:11:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 23, 2013, 02:11:48 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 23, 2013, 02:10:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 23, 2013, 01:50:42 PM
Quote from: donegal lad on May 23, 2013, 11:08:04 AM
Here's a report from rte on the tickets being sent back. As I said my own club received an extra allocation yesterday
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0522/451964-extra-tickets-for-donegal-in-ballybofey/
They are just reporting the same story. All bluff, these are tickets held back and released by the Donegal county board.
You may be right, but has anyone from the Tyrone County Board come out & said that they haven't sent tickets back? Until they do......
Have they come out and said they have sent them back? Why should they respond to this? Best to hold your council in these circumstances - ask Paul Grimley!
Poor old Paul is going to be held up as an example of how not to let information out for years to come!!!
But if Donegal are lying about getting tickets from Tyrone then we should be told. This sort of thing has to be stopped >:( >:( >:(
It's the murky underworld of Ulster GAA. :D It's like that advert for the championship a while ago where a lad in American was picking up a dodgy package in a brown envelope which turned out to be All Ireland tickets. Maybe the tickets have been smuggled back across the border to Donegal without the Tyrone county board knowing?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 23, 2013, 02:56:36 PM
Will be interesting to see how Donegal deal with big Sean this year. He's a hard man to stop (legally) when he's running at ye.
Checkpoints at the 45m line and the obligatory custons check at the 30m line should slow him down a bit.
Wouldn't want him smuggling anything round into the penalty box. ;D
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 23, 2013, 03:17:51 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 23, 2013, 03:11:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 23, 2013, 02:11:48 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 23, 2013, 02:10:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 23, 2013, 01:50:42 PM
Quote from: donegal lad on May 23, 2013, 11:08:04 AM
Here's a report from rte on the tickets being sent back. As I said my own club received an extra allocation yesterday
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0522/451964-extra-tickets-for-donegal-in-ballybofey/
They are just reporting the same story. All bluff, these are tickets held back and released by the Donegal county board.
You may be right, but has anyone from the Tyrone County Board come out & said that they haven't sent tickets back? Until they do......
Have they come out and said they have sent them back? Why should they respond to this? Best to hold your council in these circumstances - ask Paul Grimley!
Poor old Paul is going to be held up as an example of how not to let information out for years to come!!!
But if Donegal are lying about getting tickets from Tyrone then we should be told. This sort of thing has to be stopped >:( >:( >:(
It's the murky underworld of Ulster GAA. :D It's like that advert for the championship a while ago where a lad in American was picking up a dodgy package in a brown envelope which turned out to be All Ireland tickets. Maybe the tickets have been smuggled back across the border to Donegal without the Tyrone county board knowing?
Like the old days Benny when the women used to stuff butter down their drawers crossing the border. No need for tangy dressings in those sandwiches :o :o :o
QuoteIt's the murky underworld of Ulster GAA.
No matter, when the
white elephant state of the art 3 sided stadium is built in Andytown, the likes of this game will be there.
There is official confirmation in the Irish Times
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/tyrone-send-back-1-000-tickets-of-their-allocation-ahead-of-ulster-championship-opener-in-ballybofey-1.1403370
Could well have been Mickey Joe Harte with false ID.
All these mind games could come back to bite Donegal in the ass or neck
Ahh if its in the Irish Times it must be true then.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 23, 2013, 04:00:55 PM
Could well have been Mickey Joe Harte with false ID.
All these mind games could come back to bite Donegal in the ass or neck
Ahh if its in the Irish Times it must be true then.
It comes from the Tyrone press officer Fuzz but you believe what you want!
Pre-championship night for Club Tyrone up in Garvaghey tonight - I can imagine all the banter we'll hear this evening. Mickey should make his entrance and name the team and answer a few questions. Really looking forward to it.
I'll find out the story for yez all this eve about these bloody tickets. Anybody need one?
Last time I was at a match in Ballybofey my dad was assessing the minor ref so we had a handy car park pass for the chapel just across the bridge. Not sure what the plan will be this time. I think you can come in a back road if you turn left in Killygordon which brings you out the road down the side of McElhinneys car park. Like a big D-shape, longer but might be easier to get out of afterwards.
However, Tyrone press officer Eunan Lindsay went some way towards explaining the returning of terrace tickets: to the: "I know from my own club, people are reluctant to take children to a sold-out game on terrace tickets when the place will be full to capacity," he told the Donegal News . "Roughly 25 per cent to a third of the attendance would usually be children and it seems that there are families now who aren't really pushed about going."
He does NOT say we returned 1000 tickets though does he.
In my eyes there were some tickets still available on Sunday night but I find it hard to believe the county board let them be handed back without trying to re-allocate them within clubs were demand was greater than supply but we might never find out.
Why would Donegal make this up??
A fella from the club here in liverpool said his old club naomh colmcille bk in donegal recieved extra tickets recently due to the tyrone allocation not being matched.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 23, 2013, 04:19:10 PM
Why would Donegal make this up??
Indeed. The levels to which opposition supporters are stooping now with their conspiracy theories about Donegal are getting comical! :D
Is their a € levy on these tickets J70? ;)
Donegal (SF v Tyrone): P Durcan; P McGrath, N McGee, E McGee; A Thompson, K Lacey, F McGlynn; N Gallagher, R Kavanagh; M McHugh, L McLoone, R Bradley; P McBrearty, M Murphy, C McFadden.
So Lacey has made it.
We will see!!!
Quote from: theticklemister on May 23, 2013, 05:29:50 PM
We will see!!!
You surely aren't suggesting there are mind games on the go here from Jim???
That comment by Eunan Lindsay doesn't mention tickets being sent back. They have ran with the story from the Donegal paper and threw in that random comment to add weight. It's an absolute scandal if tickets were sent back as I know personally of people who haven't got one through their clubs. Donegal PR to suggest Tyrone are over confident! ;)
Rumours that Donegal have made a complaint against Tyrone on the following grounds:
1) Some of the returned tickets had bite marks on them;
2) A number of the tickets were actually were for the launch of 'This is Our Year - Too';
3) 200 tickets were for last Sunday's game in Salthill;
Anyone have a seating plan for the main stand?
Don't think the paint is dry on the seats yet
I'm really looking forward to the game. It's not the end of the world for either side if they lose but I think a third defeat in three years could set Tyrone back a lot.
I call Donegal to win by 1 point, with Tyrone to get their revenge later on in the summer.
CK red hand . You think we will lose by a point, and this 3rd defeat in 3 years will put us back a lot. How then , do you see the result reversing later in the year, if it puts us back a lot?? :o
Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 23, 2013, 09:32:42 PM
I'm really looking forward to the game. It's not the end of the world for either side if they lose but I think a third defeat in three years could set Tyrone back a lot.
I call Donegal to win by 1 point, with Tyrone to get their revenge later on in the summer.
Are you not contradicting yourself there a bit?
Tyrone team named:
1 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc
2 PJ Quinn Baile na Móna
3 Conor Clarke An Omaigh
4 Cathal McCarron An Droim Mór
5 Justin McMahon An Omaigh
6 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
7 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
8 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
10 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
11 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
12 Mark Donnelly An Charraig Mhór
13 Martin Penrose An Charraig Mhór
14 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15 Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo
16 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
17 Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
18 Aidan Cassidy Eochar
19 Kyle Coney Ard Bó
20 Kevin Gallagher An Baile Nua
21 Jonathan Lafferty Urnaí
22 Plunkett Kane Oileán a'Ghuail
23 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
24 Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc
25 Patrick McNeice Oileán a'Ghuail
26 Sean Warnock An Caisleán Glas
Ok sorry my post didn't make sense at all haha
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 22, 2013, 10:35:02 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 22, 2013, 10:14:03 PM
This is massive for Mickey.
The whippersnapper McGuinness came along in 2011, praising Mickey in the run-up and then done him over, albeit with a Swift error.
2012, he still talked about Tyrone as the yardstick and turned them over.
2013 - he's the main man now. Another win and he has made Mickey his bitch.
Would agree with that!! I'd say Mickey see's this as a huge game in his managerial career. It will be a serious blip to be turned over by a Donegal team lead by McGuiness 3 years in a row. But I've no doubt that this has driven him on for the last year and will hopefully lead to a huge display from Tyrone. I'm surprised so many people have tipped Tyrone as they're definitely underdogs but I really think we can do it.
It will be interesting to see the Tyrone team tomorrow night. I'm really not convinced McNeice has done enough to earn a starting spot but would not shock me if he was on. Think I said it earlier but I expect the following team if everyone is fit:
Morgan
McCarron
Clarke
PJ
Gormley
Mattie D
Justy
Cavanagh
Cavanagh
Penrose
Harte
Joe Mc
Mark D
Stevie
McAliskey
I'd be confident at least 13 of that team will start. I suppose the biggest doubts would be over Justy and PJ in defence as both have carried knocks. A fully fit Justy is more than worth his place but he has struggled to get there. I suppose up front the only doubts would be over whether he starts Penrose and McAliskey. I think McAliskey may have did enough v Dublin to get his place. Disappointing Ronan O'Neill isn't an option from the bench.
Couple of positional changes but not often you can get the 15 right! Very happy with that 15. If everyone is fully fit would give us a very strong chance.
No complaints with that 15! :)
Pretty strong on the subs bench too. 20-man game nowadays.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 22, 2013, 02:04:48 PM
An impossible task but I will give it a shot:
Morgan
McCarron
Justy
PJ Quinn
Conor Clarke
Matty Donnelly
Conor Gormley
Sean C
Colm C
Petey Harte
Mark Donnelly
Joey
McAliskey
SoN
Penrose
Snap redhandsanta (although I got in earlier than you ;) )
Tyrone: P McConnell, A McCrory, C Clarke, D Carlin, R McMenamin, C Gormley, Sean O'Neill, J McMahon, C Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly, Mark Donnelly, P Harte, M Penrose, Stephen O'Neill, O Mulligan
Subs: R McNabb for Mulligan (49), B McGuigan for Mattie Donnelly (61), A Cassidy for Mark Donnelly (65), N McKenna for McMenamin (65)
That was last years team. I think we're a lot stronger in defence than last year and overall. The inclusion of Sean Cavanagh, Justy and Morgan is a big help. Also the imrpovement of McCarron and the two Donnellys will help. Even more looking forward to it now, bring it on.
Penrose has transferred to Carmen?
Tyrone by at least 3. There will be a serious determination and hunger in the Tyrone team that Donegal will not be able to match. 8)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 23, 2013, 10:11:51 PM
Penrose has transferred to Carmen?
That's old news Gabriel and I'm not even from Tyrone!
I think that's our strongest side.
A very offensively-minded configuration, with solid, seamlessly defensive options from the HF line back. It'll be war! ;)
In terms of recent form (recent being 2013), Tyrone would be taken to win. Donegal 0-9 Tyrone 1-12
I just have a hunch that Donegal will bare their teeth in some style. No proof or stats to back that up - just in me waters. Donegal 3-12 Tyrone 1-10
Quote from: ONeill on May 23, 2013, 10:25:39 PM
I think that's our strongest side.
Would agree. And good options on the bench. The likes of Cassidy, Coney, McCurry and Carlin could offer something from the bench. Does anyone know if McNabb is fit? Harte said everyone was fit apart from Ronan O'Neill but haven't heard anything of McNabb.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 23, 2013, 10:22:37 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 23, 2013, 10:11:51 PM
Penrose has transferred to Carmen?
That's old news Gabriel and I'm not even from Tyrone!
Shows how much attention I pay to club football from over here
I haven't seen Donegal this year, but Tyrone have impressed me in the 2 televised league games I watched.
I presume MH has had this game sharply in his sights because there's something different about Tyrone this year (but they're still ugly féckers). Donegal will have to play some game to get past them, even if it's in their own back yard.
Tyrone to win handily.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 23, 2013, 10:31:37 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 23, 2013, 10:25:39 PM
I think that's our strongest side.
Would agree. And good options on the bench. The likes of Cassidy, Coney, McCurry and Carlin could offer something from the bench. Does anyone know if McNabb is fit? Harte said everyone was fit apart from Ronan O'Neill but haven't heard anything of McNabb.
Mc nabb training with Tyrone
I reckon the red arses will win this one.
That prob means that donegal will be victorious!
Pleased with the Tyrone line up, listened to events unfolding at Garvaghey last night on teamtalkmag live broadcast (which was excellent by the way). Seemed to be a great evening up there with a big crowd in attendance. Noel McGinn said there was easily in excess of 500 people there. That makes me ask more questions about the story of the tickets being sent back, but anyway..
Very rare that some posters on here are able to name Mickeys 15 for the match. Have taken a stab at trying to read the bearded one many times before without success! I think No's 1-12 & 14 were predictable enough this time though, the way things unfolded in the concluding stages of the league.
Ultimately Penrose got the nod for his track record of getting stuck in, tracking back, covering the hard yards etc. Whilst McAliskey won the shoot out between himself, Coney, McCurry etc during the league. With injuries, form etc he was always in pole position to land the jersey there.
Looking at the two full forward lines named - you'd have to say Donegals looks the most impressive. At the same time if this is a match where you need to have a great spread of potential scorers id guess that Tyrone may have more options there.
Cant get my head around the amount of 'neutrals' tipping Tyrone though. We're playing the all ireland champions in their own back yard. They've made no secret that they've been planning for this date all year. They have announced the same 15 will start as in the AI final. We aggitated them in Omagh as well. Bookies make them 8/13 & us 7/4
Im nervous thinkin about the game. Too close to call...
Tyrones bench is strong, would hope that Coney is somewhere near his sharpest after the lay-off as he is a potential game winner when fit. Justy hasn't seemed to be fit the past few years, since 2010 maybe. Will he remain at wing0back or mush into the middle to add an extra body for kick-outs etc?
'They have announced the same 15 will start as in the AI final.'
That is quite rare to happen, bit of luck on the injuries front with players coming back at the right time it seems.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on May 24, 2013, 09:13:03 AM
'They have announced the same 15 will start as in the AI final.'
That is quite rare to happen, bit of luck on the injuries front with players coming back at the right time it seems.
Are they back though? I think that may not be the starting 15.
Quote from: EC Unique on May 24, 2013, 09:29:21 AM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on May 24, 2013, 09:13:03 AM
'They have announced the same 15 will start as in the AI final.'
That is quite rare to happen, bit of luck on the injuries front with players coming back at the right time it seems.
Are they back though? I think that may not be the starting 15.
I agree, I think there are doubts about Lacey, Gallagher, McHugh & McGlynn. Not that they won't play some part but whether they are 100% fit. Anything less than 100% won't be enough.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 24, 2013, 09:35:06 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on May 24, 2013, 09:29:21 AM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on May 24, 2013, 09:13:03 AM
'They have announced the same 15 will start as in the AI final.'
That is quite rare to happen, bit of luck on the injuries front with players coming back at the right time it seems.
Are they back though? I think that may not be the starting 15.
I agree, I think there are doubts about Lacey, Gallagher, McHugh & McGlynn. Not that they won't play some part but whether they are 100% fit. Anything less than 100% won't be enough.
Eaxtly, it isn't the kind of game you'd want to play without having serious training under your belt and feeling completely fit. Going to be a real battle that probably won't be pretty on the eye. I don't care though.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on May 24, 2013, 09:13:03 AM
'They have announced the same 15 will start as in the AI final.'
That is quite rare to happen, bit of luck on the injuries front with players coming back at the right time it seems.
May name the same 15, but unlikely that is the starting line up.
Mc Hugh Injured anyway.
Fancy Tyrone to win on Sunday ...looking forward to the game.
Draw for me the more i think about it. Going to be an almighty tussle.
Expect high viewing figures for this one.
Certainly seems one of the most anticipated games in a few years that i can remember. A lot of neutral interest. Bit suprised by the numbers going for tyrone also ( probably more endorsement of Mickey Harte than anything) and by the bookies with Tyrone at 7/4 which is tempting.
Should be a cracker !
Expect Donegal to give away a few early free around 50m to ask Morgan to try a few kicks. If he missed a few early ones then Donegal would be more confident stopping Tyrone out in MF. If he scores the early ones then they have to be more careful. Can see Morgan being put on his hole as he runs out to take his first free and again put on his hole if he scores and does any messing about as he runs back to goal!!
Donegal for me. This Tyrone team have been found wanting when they have played to top sides in Championship football. Can't see a pile of difference between this Tyrone side and last years side. Morgan is a good addition and a fit Sean Cavanagh is good to have back but it is massive ask to play what is now a very good seasoned Championship side, in their own ground. I expect a tight game but for Donegal to come out on top.
I've a friend from Tyrone and he reckons they'll walk this.
Quote from: phpearse on May 24, 2013, 10:53:26 AM
Expect Donegal to give away a few early free around 50m to ask Morgan to try a few kicks. If he missed a few early ones then Donegal would be more confident stopping Tyrone out in MF. If he scores the early ones then they have to be more careful. Can see Morgan being put on his hole as he runs out to take his first free and again put on his hole if he scores and does any messing about as he runs back to goal!!
Donegal for me. This Tyrone team have been found wanting when they have played to top sides in Championship football. Can't see a pile of difference between this Tyrone side and last years side. Morgan is a good addition and a fit Sean Cavanagh is good to have back but it is massive ask to play what is now a very good seasoned Championship side, in their own ground. I expect a tight game but for Donegal to come out on top.
I suppose there could be ana rgument that the Tyrone teams found wanting over the past 3 or 4 years are different than this years team. Additionally, Tyrone were the better team against Donegal two years ago whereas Donegal slightly shaded it last year so there isn't much between them to be honest.
I think those neutrals going for Tyrone have been impressed by them in the league this year and have got to see a lot of them. Also people thinking SoN is back to his best and unmarkable when shooting from all angles but as we know these games v Donegal are TOTALLY different.
With the talk of these possible Donegal injuries and assuming that even if Lacey is back he will hardly be as good as he was last year.
What will be telling is that if Tyrone are in front 15 mins into the second half then can Donegal reel them back in. I don't think there was a match the last 2 years where they had to do that and that's where you answer big questions about yourself.
You would expect Mickey to play his 5 subs in the second half and so freshen up forwards, MF & defence. I'm not so sure Jimmy will do the same. How will the team handle the pressure of the huge expectation of their own fans, now that we've given them another 1000? ;)
If Morgan gets emptied you'd imagine at least a yellow card to be issued and in matches like this yellow cards can prove very costly. Donegal can't really afford to lose a man nor can we off course.
Yeah Jinxy.
1. You have a friend
2. He's from Tyrone
3. Even the most positive fan can't say we'll walk these games
Quote from: Bensars on May 24, 2013, 10:44:19 AM
Certainly seems one of the most anticipated games in a few years that i can remember. A lot of neutral interest. Bit suprised by the numbers going for tyrone also ( probably more endorsement of Mickey Harte than anything) and by the bookies with Tyrone at 7/4 which is tempting.
Should be a cracker !
Haven't seen a single press pundit tipping Donegal. Presumably a combination of doubts about Donegal's hunger and the fitness/sharpness of Lacey and McHugh, Tyrone's league form and perceived superior squad.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 24, 2013, 10:54:30 AM
I've a friend from Tyrone and he reckons they'll walk this.
Fuzzman and I were joined by a Meath man as we dandered into Croke for the League semi against Kildare, and who informed us that he went to more Tyrone games than Meath ones, such was his love and admiration for our county (Bless him). As we parted ways for the stiles I looked at Fuzz, and he looked at me, and we both said: "That's
not Jinxy!". ;)
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 24, 2013, 10:57:34 AM
I think those neutrals going for Tyrone have been impressed by them in the league this year and have got to see a lot of them. Also people thinking SoN is back to his best and unmarkable when shooting from all angles but as we know these games v Donegal are TOTALLY different.
With the talk of these possible Donegal injuries and assuming that even if Lacey is back he will hardly be as good as he was last year.
What will be telling is that if Tyrone are in front 15 mins into the second half then can Donegal reel them back in. I don't think there was a match the last 2 years where they had to do that and that's where you answer big questions about yourself.
You would expect Mickey to play his 5 subs in the second half and so freshen up forwards, MF & defence. I'm not so sure Jimmy will do the same. How will the team handle the pressure of the huge expectation of their own fans, now that we've given them another 1000? ;)
If Morgan gets emptied you'd imagine at least a yellow card to be issued and in matches like this yellow cards can prove very costly. Donegal can't really afford to lose a man nor can we off course.
Yeah Jinxy.
1. You have a friend
2. He's from Tyrone
3. Even the most positive fan can't say we'll walk these games
Two years ago Tyrone led going into the last fifteen. Donegal were three points behind Kildare with eight or nine minutes left in extra time in 2011 as well.
OOps I stand corrected.
Lazy journalism. I did wonder about the Kildare game but are you sure we were beating ye 2 years ago.
I wonder will we see many kickouts going to Gormley & Justy on the wings?
Was any of ye at any of the Tyrone training sessions?
Presume McAliskey is well tuned in to playing under extreme pressure and knows he'll have to talk a shot on as soon as he gets the ball. I couldn't help but notice from last years game how often both teams passed the ball backwards and sometimes even kick passes back more than 20 yards.
Possession is king
What anybody in the world (media or ex players) predicts count for nothing, nobody can predict what is going to happen and who is going top win, they can only guess. I think Donegal will win and SON will not have a major say in a game like this.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 24, 2013, 11:26:01 AM
OOps I stand corrected.
Lazy journalism. I did wonder about the Kildare game but are you sure we were beating ye 2 years ago.
I wonder will we see many kickouts going to Gormley & Justy on the wings?
Was any of ye at any of the Tyrone training sessions?
Presume McAliskey is well tuned in to playing under extreme pressure and knows he'll have to talk a shot on as soon as he gets the ball. I couldn't help but notice from last years game how often both teams passed the ball backwards and sometimes even kick passes back more than 20 yards.
Possession is king
Yeah, McFadden's goal came with 14 minutes left.
And yes, both teams will probably have plenty of the ball, at least up to the opposition 45.
Phpearse, I dob't agree with the notion that Tyrone have been found wanting against Donegal in the championship . I mentioned in a previous post that our meeting highlighted the importance of the 'inches' i.e. Swift fumbling a ball in 2011 and Durkin's boot scraping Penrose's shot on to the post. Couple of inches either way and both those games would/could have finished a different way. We gave Donegal their tightest game last year and could have put them away in 2011 bar a bad day at the office for Petey Harte from free kicks.
Also don't agree that this is the same Tyrone team. Here is our starting team from last year:
P McConnell, A McCrory, C Clarke, D Carlin, R McMenamin, C Gormley, Sean O'Neill, J McMahon, C Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly, Mark Donnelly, P Harte, M Penrose, Stephen O'Neill, O Mulligan
and this year:
Tyrone: Niall Morgan; PJ Quinn, Conor Clarke, Cathal McCarron; Justin McMahon, Joe McMahon, Conor Gormley, Colm Cavanagh, Sean Cavanagh; Matthew Donnelly, Peter Harte, Mark Donnelly; Martin Penrose, Stephen O'Neill, Connor McAliskey.
All in all 6 changes and, using evidence from the league, big improvements in some of the players form e.g. Matty Donnelly. However, I still think Donegal should be favourites and it will be mighty close. Hopefully we can pip them, i'd take a 0-05 to 0-04 win any day!
Inches also won the All-Ireland, BLOCK!
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/Donegal/gormley-aims-to-block-out-donegal-path-29290168.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/Donegal/gormley-aims-to-block-out-donegal-path-29290168.html)
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Gormley aims to block out Donegal path
Ten years may have elapsed since Tyrone's Conor Gormley flung himself onto the boot of Armagh sharpshooter Steven McDonnell two minutes from the end of a riveting All-Ireland final to help prevent a certain goal but the cameo has since gained iconic status.
Today, a 32-year-old veteran in a Tyrone side awash with fresh faces, Gormley still remains a defensive pillar and no one has more cause to be grateful for this than his manager Mickey Harte.
As Tyrone sallied forth to claim the Power NI Dr McKenna Cup and then make an early impact in the league, Ronan McNamee and Ryan McKenna were enterprising half-backs eager to convince the boss that they were there to stay.
But when push came to shove, an infusion of experience saw the defence overhauled to some extent and not surprisingly Gormley, battle-hardened and still thirsting for more honours, will now help to man the barricades at Ballybofey on Sunday.
The psychological wounds inflicted on Tyrone by Donegal in the Ulster Championship in 2011 and last year saw Gormley, who has won three All-Ireland medals and four Ulster honours in addition to his three Allstars, feel the pain more sharply perhaps than others.
"When you are a defender you like to think that you have helped to thwart the opposition but we weren't able to do that on those occasions," he said.
"Hopefully, though, we will be more successful on Sunday. Our side has been reinvigorated by the new faces that have come in and there's a great sense of togetherness which I feel bodes well for us."
Having played in every defensive position other than goalkeeper, Gormley knows precisely what it will take to keep Donegal in check.
"You simply cannot afford to give them any room or time on the ball or they will punish you," said Gormley.
"Their inside forwards Michael Murphy, Colm McFadden and Patrick McBrearty are deadly. They showed what they are capable of over the past couple of years and they will be hungry for scores on Sunday."
He is joined by his Carrickmore club colleagues Mark Donnelly and Martin Penrose in a Tyrone side that has come to the boil at just the right time.
Even in losing to Dublin in the Allianz League final, the general consensus is that this particular game actually threw up more positives for the Red Hands.
"We have absorbed lessons from that game and this can help make us an even better side. But on Sunday we are facing the reigning Ulster and All Ireland champions in their own back yard and it surely gets no tougher than that," said Gormley.
"We will need to hit the ground running in the game because we simply cannot afford to allow Donegal to dictate matters."
Given the mammoth task that his side face, it is hardly surprising that manager Harte is delighted Gormley is still capable of effecting the kind of blocks which rocketed him to national prominence a decade ago
Ten years may have elapsed since Tyrone's Conor Gormley flung himself onto the boot of Armagh sharpshooter Steven McDonnell two minutes from the end of a riveting All-Ireland final to help prevent a certain goal but the cameo has since gained iconic status.
Today, a 32-year-old veteran in a Tyrone side awash with fresh faces, Gormley still remains a defensive pillar and no one has more cause to be grateful for this than his manager Mickey Harte.
As Tyrone sallied forth to claim the Power NI Dr McKenna Cup and then make an early impact in the league, Ronan McNamee and Ryan McKenna were enterprising half-backs eager to convince the boss that they were there to stay.
But when push came to shove, an infusion of experience saw the defence overhauled to some extent and not surprisingly Gormley, battle-hardened and still thirsting for more honours, will now help to man the barricades at Ballybofey on Sunday.
The psychological wounds inflicted on Tyrone by Donegal in the Ulster Championship in 2011 and last year saw Gormley, who has won three All-Ireland medals and four Ulster honours in addition to his three Allstars, feel the pain more sharply perhaps than others.
"When you are a defender you like to think that you have helped to thwart the opposition but we weren't able to do that on those occasions," he said.
"Hopefully, though, we will be more successful on Sunday. Our side has been reinvigorated by the new faces that have come in and there's a great sense of togetherness which I feel bodes well for us."
Having played in every defensive position other than goalkeeper, Gormley knows precisely what it will take to keep Donegal in check.
"You simply cannot afford to give them any room or time on the ball or they will punish you," said Gormley.
"Their inside forwards Michael Murphy, Colm McFadden and Patrick McBrearty are deadly. They showed what they are capable of over the past couple of years and they will be hungry for scores on Sunday."
He is joined by his Carrickmore club colleagues Mark Donnelly and Martin Penrose in a Tyrone side that has come to the boil at just the right time.
Even in losing to Dublin in the Allianz League final, the general consensus is that this particular game actually threw up more positives for the Red Hands.
"We have absorbed lessons from that game and this can help make us an even better side. But on Sunday we are facing the reigning Ulster and All Ireland champions in their own back yard and it surely gets no tougher than that," said Gormley.
"We will need to hit the ground running in the game because we simply cannot afford to allow Donegal to dictate matters."
Given the mammoth task that his side face, it is hardly surprising that manager Harte is delighted Gormley is still capable of effecting the kind of blocks which rocketed him to national prominence a decade ago
A good strong side for Sunday in Ballybofey.
Rois, it was a pleasure meeting you last night. After 11 years, it was definitely worth the wait. :)
Quote from: ziggysego on May 24, 2013, 11:49:50 AM
A good strong side for Sunday in Ballybofey.
Rois, it was a pleasure meeting you last night. After 11 years, it was definitely worth the wait. :)
You're wan chancey aul dog zig ;)
I figure some of you will find this interesting, Liam from the great "dontfoul" blog has done a statistical breakdown of how Donegal go about their business:
http://www.livegaelic.com/features/donegals-season-so-far-breaking-down-the-stats/
It's well worth a read IMO
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Donegal vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7274
Emmet
Quote from: Keane on May 24, 2013, 01:17:09 PM
I figure some of you will find this interesting, Liam from the great "dontfoul" blog has done a statistical breakdown of how Donegal go about their business:
http://www.livegaelic.com/features/donegals-season-so-far-breaking-down-the-stats/
It's well worth a read IMO
Interesting piece, we will have to work like fcuk to put pressure in the central areas to force difficult shots from wider angles. That is some return from Mark McHugh, 7 scores from 8 attempts. Donegal will really miss him if he doesn't make it on Sunday.
Quote from: ziggysego on May 24, 2013, 11:49:50 AM
A good strong side for Sunday in Ballybofey.
Rois, it was a pleasure meeting you last night. After 11 years, it was definitely worth the wait. :)
And you Ziggy! Sorry I didn't get too much time to chat though, headless chicken was the appropriate term for me last night. And because I had a name badge on, I was getting named all over the place. Hope you got a goodie bag ;D
Quote from: phpearse on May 24, 2013, 10:53:26 AM
Expect Donegal to give away a few early free around 50m to ask Morgan to try a few kicks. If he missed a few early ones then Donegal would be more confident stopping Tyrone out in MF. If he scores the early ones then they have to be more careful.
That could be the case alright. Jimmy wont have missed the fact that Morgan had been having a few "off" days prior to the league final when almost everything went over.
Courtesy of @dontfoul - his record before the league final for televised mathes was 4 successes out of 9. This was boosted by some immaculate kicking in the final to 9 out of 15.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 24, 2013, 01:40:13 PM
Quote from: Keane on May 24, 2013, 01:17:09 PM
I figure some of you will find this interesting, Liam from the great "dontfoul" blog has done a statistical breakdown of how Donegal go about their business:
http://www.livegaelic.com/features/donegals-season-so-far-breaking-down-the-stats/
It's well worth a read IMO
Interesting piece, we will have to work like fcuk to put pressure in the central areas to force difficult shots from wider angles. That is some return from Mark McHugh, 7 scores from 8 attempts. Donegal will really miss him if he doesn't make it on Sunday.
I think one of the most important things is just not to give away frees as Donegal are so deadly at converting them. As the piece mentions, Donegal gave away just one free inside their 45 in 70 minutes against Cork. Something similar from Tyrone would give them a decent chance.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 24, 2013, 11:12:19 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 24, 2013, 10:54:30 AM
I've a friend from Tyrone and he reckons they'll walk this.
Fuzzman and I were joined by a Meath man as we dandered into Croke for the League semi against Kildare, and who informed us that he went to more Tyrone games than Meath ones, such was his love and admiration for our county (Bless him). As we parted ways for the stiles I looked at Fuzz, and he looked at me, and we both said: "That's not Jinxy!". ;)
That was no Meath man.
He sounds more like a bi/curious flourbag.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 24, 2013, 11:39:28 AM
Phpearse, I dob't agree with the notion that Tyrone have been found wanting against Donegal in the championship . I mentioned in a previous post that our meeting highlighted the importance of the 'inches' i.e. Swift fumbling a ball in 2011 and Durkin's boot scraping Penrose's shot on to the post. Couple of inches either way and both those games would/could have finished a different way. We gave Donegal their tightest game last year and could have put them away in 2011 bar a bad day at the office for Petey Harte from free kicks.
Also don't agree that this is the same Tyrone team. Here is our starting team from last year:
P McConnell, A McCrory, C Clarke, D Carlin, R McMenamin, C Gormley, Sean O'Neill, J McMahon, C Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly, Mark Donnelly, P Harte, M Penrose, Stephen O'Neill, O Mulligan
and this year:
Tyrone: Niall Morgan; PJ Quinn, Conor Clarke, Cathal McCarron; Justin McMahon, Joe McMahon, Conor Gormley, Colm Cavanagh, Sean Cavanagh; Matthew Donnelly, Peter Harte, Mark Donnelly; Martin Penrose, Stephen O'Neill, Connor McAliskey.
All in all 6 changes and, using evidence from the league, big improvements in some of the players form e.g. Matty Donnelly. However, I still think Donegal should be favourites and it will be mighty close. Hopefully we can pip them, i'd take a 0-05 to 0-04 win any day!
I was curious as to what the Tyrone line out was last year. I also looked it up yesterday, have to believe that this team looks stronger on paper. Owen Mulligan and McMenamin were pretty close to being on their last legs. I believe both were replaced. That plus adding in Sean Cavanagh is enough for me to favour Tyrone on Sunday.
Interesting indeed reading those previews and stats.
One thing that worried me about Tyrone last year v Donegal was how few shots they actually made.
I know you have to be patient and not allow them to make you shoot from under pressure at bad angles but as I said in another post this week, to me Donegal seem to get more easier scores from up the middle areas whereas we seem to have to work much harder. Sean O'Neill scored a great point last year from far out but up the middle as did Penrose.
I'd hope to see more of the same this year rather than too much of this sideways hand passing back and forward and then getting turned over.
I've read in a few places this week that Mickey wouldn't be that shocked if McGuinness brought something new to the table. We're all expecting them to be very defensive but could he surprise us all? You'd imagine if he played Murphy at midfield he'd clean out the 2 Cava boys.
Do ye think the Donegal fans will be booing Morgans' frees on Sunday. We often give out about the Dubs doing this but I've noticed its crept into a lot more grounds. I would expect their to be an electric atmosphere on Sunday & I'd say Morgan will be in for a nice little welcome with his first free, especially after how he reacted v Donegal in Omagh this year.
Not putting the guy down here but after rewatching the last two games it appears that Mugsy was one of the players who struggled the most when under pressure from the Donegal defence. His ball winning and retention wasn't great TBH. Young McAliskey is going to get some introduction to championship football, it will be interesting to see how he fares.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 24, 2013, 03:36:56 PM
Not putting the guy down here but after rewatching the last two games it appears that Mugsy was one of the players who struggled the most when under pressure from the Donegal defence. His ball winning and retention wasn't great TBH. Young McAliskey is going to get some introduction to championship football, it will be interesting to see how he fares.
I remember Mulligan got out in front a lot last year and just when it seemed that the easy thing to do was let the ball stick to his hands he seemed to funble it a lot and it spilled away. Also, he seemed to get closed down and blocked a lot, doesn't have the speed any more.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 24, 2013, 03:16:03 PM
Interesting indeed reading those previews and stats.
One thing that worried me about Tyrone last year v Donegal was how few shots they actually made.
I know you have to be patient and not allow them to make you shoot from under pressure at bad angles but as I said in another post this week, to me Donegal seem to get more easier scores from up the middle areas whereas we seem to have to work much harder. Sean O'Neill scored a great point last year from far out but up the middle as did Penrose.
I'd hope to see more of the same this year rather than too much of this sideways hand passing back and forward and then getting turned over.
I've read in a few places this week that Mickey wouldn't be that shocked if McGuinness brought something new to the table. We're all expecting them to be very defensive but could he surprise us all? You'd imagine if he played Murphy at midfield he'd clean out the 2 Cava boys.
Do ye think the Donegal fans will be booing Morgans' frees on Sunday. We often give out about the Dubs doing this but I've noticed its crept into a lot more grounds. I would expect their to be an electric atmosphere on Sunday & I'd say Morgan will be in for a nice little welcome with his first free, especially after how he reacted v Donegal in Omagh this year.
Interesting. If Mc Hugh was injured he could well end up there with Kavanagh assuming Mc Hugh's role and the impressive Ross Wherity in the full forward line. Looking forward to seeing how Mc Brearty has come on. Doesnt get the deserved credit in my opinion!!
I'm afraid Mugsy has been suffering from this problem for a good few years now. He often gets out in front OK but either fumbles or like last year, he collects and then doesn't release it fast enough. With Donegal on yer case, he was surrounded right away and then often lost possession.
In fairness though, even Stevie got swallowed up a good few times and this is why I'm saying I would hope to see more catch, turn & shoot from our FF line on Sunday. I'd rather they go wide than not getting a shot away at all. Possession is great but if ye don't shoot you don't score.
McBrearty could do well indeed after the the last few months he's had. I'd imagine it will be PJ marking him although God knows where he will play.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 24, 2013, 04:02:03 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 24, 2013, 03:16:03 PM
Interesting indeed reading those previews and stats.
One thing that worried me about Tyrone last year v Donegal was how few shots they actually made.
I know you have to be patient and not allow them to make you shoot from under pressure at bad angles but as I said in another post this week, to me Donegal seem to get more easier scores from up the middle areas whereas we seem to have to work much harder. Sean O'Neill scored a great point last year from far out but up the middle as did Penrose.
I'd hope to see more of the same this year rather than too much of this sideways hand passing back and forward and then getting turned over.
I've read in a few places this week that Mickey wouldn't be that shocked if McGuinness brought something new to the table. We're all expecting them to be very defensive but could he surprise us all? You'd imagine if he played Murphy at midfield he'd clean out the 2 Cava boys.
Do ye think the Donegal fans will be booing Morgans' frees on Sunday. We often give out about the Dubs doing this but I've noticed its crept into a lot more grounds. I would expect their to be an electric atmosphere on Sunday & I'd say Morgan will be in for a nice little welcome with his first free, especially after how he reacted v Donegal in Omagh this year.
Interesting. If Mc Hugh was injured he could well end up there with Kavanagh assuming Mc Hugh's role and the impressive Ross Wherity in the full forward line. Looking forward to seeing how Mc Brearty has come on. Doesnt get the deserved credit in my opinion!!
I don't think McBrearty scores enough for a man in the full forward line.
Really hoping to see Coney play on Sunday, had a bit of luck with injuries just when it seemed that he was taking over as Tyrones main forward last year. Hopefully it wont be long until he gets back to that level.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 24, 2013, 04:09:39 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 24, 2013, 04:02:03 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 24, 2013, 03:16:03 PM
Interesting indeed reading those previews and stats.
One thing that worried me about Tyrone last year v Donegal was how few shots they actually made.
I know you have to be patient and not allow them to make you shoot from under pressure at bad angles but as I said in another post this week, to me Donegal seem to get more easier scores from up the middle areas whereas we seem to have to work much harder. Sean O'Neill scored a great point last year from far out but up the middle as did Penrose.
I'd hope to see more of the same this year rather than too much of this sideways hand passing back and forward and then getting turned over.
I've read in a few places this week that Mickey wouldn't be that shocked if McGuinness brought something new to the table. We're all expecting them to be very defensive but could he surprise us all? You'd imagine if he played Murphy at midfield he'd clean out the 2 Cava boys.
Do ye think the Donegal fans will be booing Morgans' frees on Sunday. We often give out about the Dubs doing this but I've noticed its crept into a lot more grounds. I would expect their to be an electric atmosphere on Sunday & I'd say Morgan will be in for a nice little welcome with his first free, especially after how he reacted v Donegal in Omagh this year.
Interesting. If Mc Hugh was injured he could well end up there with Kavanagh assuming Mc Hugh's role and the impressive Ross Wherity in the full forward line. Looking forward to seeing how Mc Brearty has come on. Doesnt get the deserved credit in my opinion!!
I don't think McBrearty scores enough for a man in the full forward line.
Really hoping to see Coney play on Sunday, had a bit of luck with injuries just when it seemed that he was taking over as Tyrones main forward last year. Hopefully it wont be long until he gets back to that level.
That's because he played further out the field last year and done plenty of donkey work. Also he was 18 last year. Yes 18!!!!! I'm surprised you don't love him! You lads invented defensive corner forwards in the mould of that plague Penrose ;)
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 24, 2013, 04:09:39 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 24, 2013, 04:02:03 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 24, 2013, 03:16:03 PM
Interesting indeed reading those previews and stats.
One thing that worried me about Tyrone last year v Donegal was how few shots they actually made.
I know you have to be patient and not allow them to make you shoot from under pressure at bad angles but as I said in another post this week, to me Donegal seem to get more easier scores from up the middle areas whereas we seem to have to work much harder. Sean O'Neill scored a great point last year from far out but up the middle as did Penrose.
I'd hope to see more of the same this year rather than too much of this sideways hand passing back and forward and then getting turned over.
I've read in a few places this week that Mickey wouldn't be that shocked if McGuinness brought something new to the table. We're all expecting them to be very defensive but could he surprise us all? You'd imagine if he played Murphy at midfield he'd clean out the 2 Cava boys.
Do ye think the Donegal fans will be booing Morgans' frees on Sunday. We often give out about the Dubs doing this but I've noticed its crept into a lot more grounds. I would expect their to be an electric atmosphere on Sunday & I'd say Morgan will be in for a nice little welcome with his first free, especially after how he reacted v Donegal in Omagh this year.
Interesting. If Mc Hugh was injured he could well end up there with Kavanagh assuming Mc Hugh's role and the impressive Ross Wherity in the full forward line. Looking forward to seeing how Mc Brearty has come on. Doesnt get the deserved credit in my opinion!!
I don't think McBrearty scores enough for a man in the full forward line.
Really hoping to see Coney play on Sunday, had a bit of luck with injuries just when it seemed that he was taking over as Tyrones main forward last year. Hopefully it wont be long until he gets back to that level.
You say this a lot, but he doesn't play in the full forward line, at least not last year. He was basically a link man/ playmaker in the half forwards. From what I've seen, he is a very intelligent player with excellent vision. Hopefully he'll get more chance to demonstrate it this season, as well as more scores. For one, he dropped too many balls into the keepers hands last year.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 24, 2013, 10:54:30 AM
I've a friend from Tyrone and he reckons they'll walk this.
Then your friend is a fool ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 24, 2013, 03:16:03 PM
Do ye think the Donegal fans will be booing Morgans' frees on Sunday. We often give out about the Dubs doing this but I've noticed its crept into a lot more grounds.
I have to say, there was no booing for frees in the Galway / Mayo game last weekend. Granted, it was only for the first 20 minutes where the game was in the balance but credit to both sets of supporters for it
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 25, 2013, 02:20:34 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 24, 2013, 03:16:03 PM
Do ye think the Donegal fans will be booing Morgans' frees on Sunday. We often give out about the Dubs doing this but I've noticed its crept into a lot more grounds.
I have to say, there was no booing for frees in the Galway / Mayo game last weekend. Granted, it was only for the first 20 minutes where the game was in the balance but credit to both sets of supporters for it
I would love to think that there wouldn't be but I'm afraid............
QuoteI have to say, there was no booing for frees in the Galway / Mayo game last weekend.
There will be booing tomorrow. Donegal "fans" are mostly blowins from soccer.
Fuzzman , u do more than a fair share of booing uself
Anyone need a stand ticket? There's one somewhere on the ground in Belfast city centre - best guess beside macaroon stall at market at city hall. >:(
Quote from: J70 on May 24, 2013, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: Bensars on May 24, 2013, 10:44:19 AM
Certainly seems one of the most anticipated games in a few years that i can remember. A lot of neutral interest. Bit suprised by the numbers going for tyrone also ( probably more endorsement of Mickey Harte than anything) and by the bookies with Tyrone at 7/4 which is tempting.
Should be a cracker !
Haven't seen a single press pundit tipping Donegal. Presumably a combination of doubts about Donegal's hunger and the fitness/sharpness of Lacey and McHugh, Tyrone's league form and perceived superior squad.
Irish Times this weekend, Seán Moran et al, tipping Donegal
Jason Sherlock in star tipped Donegal. Brolly has tipped them too.
Looking forward to the game tomorrow and hoping that Tyrone can put it up to Donegal. I like the look of the team and glad that we have two real scoring threats in the forwards in SON and McAliskey. Would imagine Coney is a bit sharper now than he was for the league final and he is a good option to have to come on and offer a scoring threat from distance. I do wonder a bit about the lack of pace in the wing back positions but Gormley and Justy are both great players and good men to have on the team, particularly if the game is as tight as many suggest. Would like to see Cassidy get a good runout too, there is a strong argument for a 100% fit Cassidy to be starting.
I reckon we will see a very different Donegal from the team who were relegated from the league and I fear they will have a bit too much for Tyrone this time.
Dara O Cinneide has also tipped Donegal in the examiner. Really looking forward to tomorrow. A win would be Tyrone's biggest in the championship in a few years - probably since 08.
Best of luck to both teams and lets hope it's a good clean battle with the best team winning. We could meet again.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 24, 2013, 07:26:41 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 24, 2013, 10:54:30 AM
I've a friend from Tyrone and he reckons they'll walk this.
Then your friend is a fool ;D ;D ;D
You're just anti-Tyrone.
Only 17 hours until the Autobots and Decepticons face off.
Can't wait.
Can't understand some of the Tyrone posters dismissing McBrearty, he is only 19. Peter Harte is seen as a talisman for Tyrone, has he performed significantly better than McBrearty as last two years?
In terms of Kyle Coney, he has played two full club games in about 13 months, expecting him to have a major impact could be ambitious but hopefully not.
Bad old days after the battle of Ballybofey
Friday, May 24, 2013
ULSTER SFC QUARTER-FINAL:
Donegal v Tyrone
Sunday's Ulster clash between Donegal and Tyrone has generated oodles of interest but the last time the neighbouring counties met in the championship in Ballybofey, the headlines were for all the wrong reasons.
"Donegal GAA will withdraw from Ulster?" read The Donegal Democrat's front page on Friday, June 29, 1973 — five days after Tyrone toppled the reigning provincial champions.
"As a result of their experiences in recent cross-border games in general and last Sunday's deplorable scenes in particular, Donegal GAA may seek to leave Ulster and affiliate with Connacht," the paper stated.
Under player-manager Brian McEniff, Donegal won a first Ulster championship the previous July in Clones, defeating Tyrone 2-13 to 1-11 in an occasionally tempestuous final.
Neilly Gallagher, who had been coaxed back after a two-year sabbatical, scored three points to put Donegal 0-3 to 0-1 up when the teams met again in 1973.
Gallagher and his marker Mickey John Forbes had, according to the Gaoth Dobhair man, been "throwing thumps" at one another from the first whistle. After 15 minutes, with the ball at the other end of the pitch, the Tyrone defender took his retribution.
Reported in the newspaper as a "savage assault... in cold blood with premeditation," acting Donegal County Secretary Frank Muldoon later claimed the blow "was something more than a fist".
Having been taken to a nearby café first, Gallagher was taken to Letterkenny General Hospital where "surgeons managed to save his eye".
40 years passed before, this week, Gallagher broke court on the issue publicly for the first time.
"He hit me with the fist," he says of Forbes. "The reason he opened me was because I was so close. I wasn't expecting it. I was concussed and got seven stitches. That's all I remember from that game."
Antrim referee Hugh McPolin missed the incident and having consulted with an umpire, took no action. The game descended into warfare as McEniff and Joe Winston Curran were levelled as was Tyrone's Patsy Hetheringon, who scored six points and Seamus Donaghey, Tyrone's wing-forward, was dismissed for striking Andy Curran before half-time.
"He got sent off for giving me a box on the nose and busting it," recalls Curran. "There were some wild tackles. It's a mystery more players weren't injured."
The incidents poisoned an already edgy atmosphere. Visiting supporters were blamed by locals for their threatening behaviour, hurtling bottles and stones. Fights broke out like bushfires.
"I was sitting in the dugout with the subs not even being able to warm-up," said Kieran Keeney, Gallagher's 20-year-old replacement, who scored the only goal.
"It was a frightening experience. Most of the Donegal players just wanted to get out of the ground."
Tyrone, inspired by Hetherington and Frank McGuigan, broke free in the last two minutes to win 0-12 to 1-7. Both teams fought their way off the pitch but the unnamed local journalist held little sympathy for Donegal.
"Donegal beat themselves, or rather the management, mentors or whatever you call them did," he wrote. "What did the mentors do? Damn all. It's time the players demanded an explanation.
"After all, if one of them has a bad game he is dropped. But when the sideline display their sheer incompetence, as they did so well on Sunday, nothing happens. They remain a threat to the progress of the team. This is the heart of Donegal's troubles and until it is resolved, good players will feel frustrated and abused.
"Two other points — the referee was well and truly out of his depth. Anyone who saw last year's game in Clones knew this one would need tight control. Mr McPolin could hardly handle schoolboys. And the scenes afterwards, amongst the Donegal team and its supporters, were to say the least, a disgrace."
Bars in Ballybofey closed to avoid further confrontation and away fans were accused of causing trouble in Castlefin on the way home. Muldoon called Ulster Council Secretary Gerry Arthurs the next morning, seeking an investigation and said: "Donegal County Board officials were very worried about the danger to their players in games with teams from across the border, because of the attitude of the six counties' spectators and indeed, some of their players and officials."
Forbes later received a ban, while Curran was warned about his future behaviour, as was Muldoon for his comments. Tyrone won Ulster before losing to Cork in the All-Ireland semi-final.
Nothing ever became of Donegal's threat to join Connacht. In 1974, still under McEniff, they reclaimed Ulster with a replayed victory over Down. Donegal had won 1-9 to 0-8 at Healy Park in the first round, although the scars remained. They togged out in Ballybofey, travelled to Omagh to play the match before returning home to shower afterwards.
"It came out of the blue," Keeney concludes of 1973. "There was no great rivalry between Donegal and Tyrone but there was certainly an unsavoury atmosphere at MacCumhaill Park that day. I'd never experienced the like of it before or thankfully ever since."
Good luck to Tyrone today, we are going to need our best performance for years and hope Donegal have an off day to sneak it. I definitely think we are stronger than 2011/12 and we will only find out today if Donegal have the same hunger as last year. Finally, hoping that all the talk this evening is about football and not about the referee or controversial incidents. It appears the game in '73 had enough for half a century!
My match day enthusiasm has tipped the balance, I am going for a two point win for the red hands; 1-10 to 0-11.
BTW I was over in Ballybofey yesterday and got stuck in traffic at Castlefin (the Strabane side) as there is a garden show/festival on yestrday and today. Could be nasty jams there later, going via Castlederg will mean you won't hit that traffic as you'll come out the far side of Castlefin.
Quote from: loughshore lad on May 25, 2013, 10:55:05 PM
Can't understand some of the Tyrone posters dismissing McBrearty, he is only 19. Peter Harte is seen as a talisman for Tyrone, has he performed significantly better than McBrearty as last two years?
In terms of Kyle Coney, he has played two full club games in about 13 months, expecting him to have a major impact could be ambitious but hopefully not.
Mcbrearty has been played out of position at senior level and this is the reason he has failed to sparkle a such. If ye seen him at the u21 uc this year when he was played up the middle in the full forward line you will see why he has been so much talked about.
Big day is here, damp with no wind to talk of.
I'm really looking forward to this & I hope everyone travelling has a safe journey & an enjoyable day whatever the result.
Donegal by 4
Quote from: theticklemister on May 26, 2013, 09:09:21 AM
Quote from: loughshore lad on May 25, 2013, 10:55:05 PM
Can't understand some of the Tyrone posters dismissing McBrearty, he is only 19. Peter Harte is seen as a talisman for Tyrone, has he performed significantly better than McBrearty as last two years?
In terms of Kyle Coney, he has played two full club games in about 13 months, expecting him to have a major impact could be ambitious but hopefully not.
Mcbrearty has been played out of position at senior level and this is the reason he has failed to sparkle a such. If ye seen him at the u21 uc this year when he was played up the middle in the full forward line you will see why he has been so much talked about.
Ah, under 21 is a different ball game to Senior. More time on the ball. Less cynical. And he's the Big fish in the small pond. He's still a (very) young lad (for Senior) and not strong enough for a central role in the Senior team.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 26, 2013, 09:34:28 AM
Big day is here, damp with no wind to talk of.
I'm really looking forward to this & I hope everyone travelling has a safe journey & an enjoyable day whatever the result.
Donegal by 4
fancy the same weather but a different result...Tyrone by 2
Where mite someone on the mainland watch the game online??
You can get bbc NI on sat freeview under other channels if you've scanned it or search the web for bbc 2 NI. I for one will be worried about McBrearty today. Hopefully no repeat of those antics 40 years ago
Quote from: maggie on May 26, 2013, 10:46:33 AM
Where mite someone on the mainland watch the game online??
Channel 972 bbc ni on sky or bbc ni website
Donegal by 4? i think i go for a draw myself
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 26, 2013, 11:20:58 AM
You can get bbc NI on sat freeview under other channels if you've scanned it or search the web for bbc 2 NI. I for one will be worried about McBrearty today. Hopefully no repeat of those antics 40 years ago
McBrearty could be the dark horse in this game. If he clicks it will go a long way towards a Donegal win.
The mainland is the place to be to watch this I tell ye!
The winners of today's match will play the English champions, Hull Kingston Rovers and the winners of that match qualify for the Ulster semi final.
Come on Donegal. Do it for football.
Tyrone 2-11 Donegal 1-12 Petey Harte with both goals!
Two great football teams. Would not be surprised if they both meet in September. Love to see them in Croke Park later on.
Hopefully the Ref has been watching the build up. Mc Stay thinking he will favour the home team.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 26, 2013, 01:44:52 PM
Hopefully the Ref has been watching the build up. Mc Stay thinking he will favour the home team.
And he right, home teams get the rub of decisions. It's a fact of life, referees are human and are subliminally influenced by their environment.
I would call that a poor ref!
some different one of these teams in the back door maybe this evening, meanwhile down south its Kerry v Tipperary, talk about an easy introduction to the championship
Nothing easy about that draw for Tipperary. 4th year in a row playing Kerry in the 1st Round. At least we had a comfortable win over them in the Junior Championship 1-15 to 0-11.
These fierce local matches really brings out character in teams. It is no coincidence that Cork/Kerry Armagh/Tyrone Donegal/Tyrone help bring each other on. What ever team wins this year it usually is their neighbors that have helped get the best out of them. The game today will bring both teams on much further. Lucky for Tyrone and Donegal they have each other. Two great teams who take their football seriously.
Presume a replay next Sat in Healy Pk if it happens? Usual delayed throw-in as traffic will be mental in Omagh.
Jesus lads u must be all at the game , am on alone here,tyrone on top, after a strong donegal start. McFadden goal pushed doengal ahead again but Tyrone still edging the play though they are 2pts behind
Anybody any live streams for game?
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 26, 2013, 04:55:47 PM
Anybody any live streams for game?
http://www.firstrow1.eu/watch/188720/1/watch-gaa-football-:-donegal-vs-tyrone.html
Penrose could easily have had a penalty there. Level score 1-6 to 9.
Not the goalies day Cavanagh should have a go
Quote from: All of a Sludden on May 26, 2013, 05:01:47 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 26, 2013, 04:55:47 PM
Anybody any live streams for game?
http://www.firstrow1.eu/watch/188720/1/watch-gaa-football-:-donegal-vs-tyrone.html
Thanks
Quote from: johnpower on May 26, 2013, 05:09:11 PM
Not the goalies day Cavanagh should have a go
Another chance now.
Quote from: johnpower on May 26, 2013, 05:09:11 PM
Not the goalies day Cavanagh should have a go
Agreed!
Mickey Harte is sticking with him Donegal subs may change it
Morgan poor on frees today are those misses going to cost Tyrone? goal for Donegal.
Unfortunately the Donegal mind games have got to the Tyrone keeper. Suppose that's why they do what they do. Doesn't make it any less disgusting. Heard reports of some vile things said by Donegal players to opponents.
Goal Donegal. Will probably be the difference.
Soft goal to concede Tyrone penalty call may have been the turning point
Donegal have just hit the after burners, tyrone struggling to keep with them, They still the team to beat, and makes the poll on who could win the all-ireland look a tad bias when they have 7% and tyrone nearly 30%. In relation to the keeper having a bad day, he does not seem to be all that accurate and needs to he directly in line of the nets to have a chance of scoring
Quote from: Collins on May 26, 2013, 05:15:06 PM
Unfortunately the Donegal mind games have got to the Tyrone keeper. Suppose that's why they do what they do. Doesn't make it any less disgusting. Heard reports of some vile things said by Donegal players to opponents.
Goal Donegal. Will probably be the difference.
And Tyrone are angels?? What goes around comes around!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 26, 2013, 05:22:19 PM
In relation to the keeper having a bad day, he does not seem to be all that accurate and needs to he directly in line of the nets to have a chance of scoring
Someone posted the league stats on here a bit back - he was 4/9 before the league final and after a massive league final ended up 9/15.
A certain former tyrone corner back comes to mind lol
Surely no way back for Tyrone now
Tyrone classy in defeat as usual ... Is Colm Cavanagh Tyrones worst player of the last 10 years?
Seán Cavanagh hates diving.
I agree the team to beat big win thought Tyrone would be closer
too many late tackles and cheap shots for my liking, but overall good games of football taking in the poor weather.
Quote from: screenexile on May 26, 2013, 05:28:12 PM
Tyrone classy in defeat as usual ... Is Colm Cavanagh Tyrones worst player of the last 10 years?
He's that crap he wouldn't make the Derry team!
Brolly will go on with his usual nonsense about Donegal being unbeatable but the fact remains that when the game was there to be won, all the wides kicked by Morgan sucked the wind out of Tyrones sails.
Karl Lacey makes some different, plus a couple of donegals new untested lads stood up well the day too, still think kevin cassidy good enough for this team though
Alot of them wides were from outside the 45 that would be classed as fairly difficult to score anyway, Tyrone still a top 3 team but Donegal and Dublin are ahead of them, Mayo about even with them, and cork and kildare, sniffing round behind them
on another matter derry or down are fucked!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 26, 2013, 05:35:07 PM
Alot of them wides were from outside the 45 that would be classed as fairly difficult to score anyway, Tyrone still a top 3 team but Donegal and Dublin are ahead of them, Mayo about even with them, and cork and kildare, sniffing round behind them
No mention of Ciarrai?? :o
Another Donegal championship win against Tyrone. Donegal haven't lost any of their hunger and should win another Ulster title.
Free takers need to be tough. Soccer players just don't cut it!!!
Peter Harte in the inside forward line has been an absolute disaster. Mickey Harte seriously to blame for this defeat.
yeah forgot about them, likely round tyrone and Mayo level, hard to say yet. Only thing Donegal need to worry about is injuries with a small panel, over conference and dublin
Why take Mc Aliskey off for getting booked yet not applying the same reasoning when P Harte got booked?? Switching P Harte inside was a poor tactic!
Great result for Donegal, can only see Dublin beating them at this stage
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 26, 2013, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 26, 2013, 05:35:07 PM
Alot of them wides were from outside the 45 that would be classed as fairly difficult to score anyway, Tyrone still a top 3 team but Donegal and Dublin are ahead of them, Mayo about even with them, and cork and kildare, sniffing round behind them
No mention of Ciarrai?? :o
Shure we are only playing tommy Murphy cup football according to Brolly ! 😉
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 26, 2013, 05:35:07 PM
Alot of them wides were from outside the 45 that would be classed as fairly difficult to score anyway, Tyrone still a top 3 team but Donegal and Dublin are ahead of them, Mayo about even with them, and cork and kildare, sniffing round behind them
Still? they weren't top three. Cork,Kerry,Donegal,Dublin were ahead of them before today.
Champ eee ooo nays champ eee ooo nays :(
When the downtrodden rise up they take some time to acquire a bit of class.
Not surprised to lose but the manner of it was very disappointing, lessons were not learned from the past two seasons. So many wides when the game was in the melting pot and a failure to capitalise on being the better team for chunks of it. When it was at 1-6 to 0-9 Tyrone should really have been a few points ahead. Once Donegal got the second goal Tyrone lost their composure entirely and played right into Donegal's hands. Have to say that the decision to send in McNiece for McAliskey - when Tyrone were doing well and getting scores - was a depressing one and Tyrone thereafter were toothless in attack. Also disappointed in the decision making under pressure of some of the more experienced players in that team.
Well deserved win for Donegal. Very strong in defence throughout and such belief in themselves to lift it and power to victory in the closing twenty minutes. They will coast it in Ulster and it will make for a fascinating clash if they run into an on form Dublin team later on.
Kerry and cork form would not have been the best all yr,and i would have kerry about the level of tyrone and mayo and cork just behind them 3. this thread probably run another 30pages, with the ref getting it, the tyrone keeper getting it, the wides, and missing the fact that Donegal past 3 yrs are a better team than Tyrone and at the end of the day its 3 times struck out!
Donegal much more efficient in attack.Inability to take scores when on top around the middle cost Tyrone.After the second goal Donegal shut up shop and Tyrone ran out of ideas going forward and Donegal took their scores on the well with more options up front.
Tyrone are far from angels. Of course not.
But Donegal have become successful by taking what is worst in gaelic games and not only taking it to greater depths but by making it necessary to be successful in the modern era.
Namely, the blanket defence (taken from Armagh and Tyrone), the psychological warfare/slabbering disgusting things to opponents before a free or after a miss (taken from Dublin), and the brutal cynicism in everything they do, like professional fouls all over the park, the diving, the time-wasting (taken from a number of teams down the years).
As I've said before, Donegal and the rule makers are the two enemies of gaelic football. Both do everything they can to make the sport as less entertaining as possible. Compare them to Hawthorn and the AFL rule makers. Is it any wonder Aussie Rules is now twice the sport gaelic is.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 26, 2013, 05:35:07 PM
Alto of them wides were from outside the 45 that would be classed as fairly difficult to score anyway, Tyrone still a top 3 team but Donegal and Dublin are ahead of them, Mayo about even with them, and cork and kildare, sniffing round behind them
Not sure about Tyrone been a top 3 team. Kerry gave them some hiding and they have not improved since then, in fact they might even have got worse as their better players now have more milage on the clock. They are well organised, I give them that, but relying on all the old lads is a very poor sign for Tyrone.
God, Donegal are turning into a very unlikeable team, Murphy and McFadden feigning injuries towards the end was dreadful.....booing from the fans........the sickening singing........ Murphy is now worse than the Gooch at trying to ref the matches. Time some ref put some manners on them.
Quote from: Collins on May 26, 2013, 05:50:52 PM
Tyrone are far from angels. Of course not.
But Donegal have become successful by taking what is worst in gaelic games and not only taking it to greater depths but by making it necessary to be successful in the modern era.
Namely, the blanket defence (taken from Armagh and Tyrone), the psychological warfare/slabbering disgusting things to opponents before a free or after a miss (taken from Dublin), and the brutal cynicism in everything they do, like professional fouls all over the park, the diving, the time-wasting (taken from a number of teams down the years).
As I've said before, Donegal and the rule makers are the two enemies of gaelic football. Both do everything they can to make the sport as less entertaining as possible. Compare them to Hawthorn and the AFL rule makers. Is it any wonder Aussie Rules is now twice the sport gaelic is.
I tried to watch a live AFL game last weekend and fell asleep.
I think Tyrone will bounce back big time today was Donegals day but a long way to go yet
Quote from: Collins on May 26, 2013, 05:50:52 PM
Tyrone are far from angels. Of course not.
But Donegal have become successful by taking what is worst in gaelic games and not only taking it to greater depths but by making it necessary to be successful in the modern era.
Namely, the blanket defence (taken from Armagh and Tyrone), the psychological warfare/slabbering disgusting things to opponents before a free or after a miss (taken from Dublin), and the brutal cynicism in everything they do, like professional fouls all over the park, the diving, the time-wasting (taken from a number of teams down the years).
As I've said before, Donegal and the rule makers are the two enemies of gaelic football. Both do everything they can to make the sport as less entertaining as possible. Compare them to Hawthorn and the AFL rule makers. Is it any wonder Aussie Rules is now twice the sport gaelic is.
Well go watch that crap played by thugs down under!
Quote from: johnpower on May 26, 2013, 05:53:49 PM
I think Tyrone will bounce back big time
I doubt it. Today showed how far off their former perch they now are.
Quote from: Collins on May 26, 2013, 05:50:52 PM
Tyrone are far from angels. Of course not.
But Donegal have become successful by taking what is worst in gaelic games and not only taking it to greater depths but by making it necessary to be successful in the modern era.
Namely, the blanket defence (taken from Armagh and Tyrone), the psychological warfare/slabbering disgusting things to opponents before a free or after a miss (taken from Dublin), and the brutal cynicism in everything they do, like professional fouls all over the park, the diving, the time-wasting (taken from a number of teams down the years).
As I've said before, Donegal and the rule makers are the two enemies of gaelic football. Both do everything they can to make the sport as less entertaining as possible. Compare them to Hawthorn and the AFL rule makers. Is it any wonder Aussie Rules is now twice the sport gaelic is.
:-[
That's me being embarrassed for you hi after your comment on oz rulues being batter than gaelic football, not even close!
Quote from: Collins on May 26, 2013, 05:15:06 PM
Doesn't make it any less disgusting. Heard reports of some vile things said by Donegal players to opponents.
That's that, then. Can't argue with reports.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 26, 2013, 05:32:15 PM
Karl Lacey makes some different, plus a couple of donegals new untested lads stood up well the day too, still think kevin cassidy good enough for this team though
Lacey coming on, along with the second goal, totally changed the game. We were crying out for bit of leadership and direction in our play, and fit or nor, he provided it. Three years in a row now we've completely shut down Tyrone attack in the second half.
Donegal fairly showed their teeth today.
Decent game between all the cynical shite. Teams need to take some responsibility to cut this shite out or else the GAA will have their hand forced to bring in ridiculous rules to cut it out.
But we know asking players to do anything for the good of the game is wasted breath. What you wouldn't give for a bit of honour amongst men these days.
No complaints after that. Once again we ran out of ideas and our poor shooting came back to haunt us. Morgan had a mare but these things happen the best players. The goals came at the worst possible time for us.
Anyway, we need to re group and focus on the 1st round of the back door. I still think we've a good chance of playing in Croke Park in August. A handy draw in Healy Park to get us back on track will do the job.
Well done Donegal, best team won.
Quote from: thejuice on May 26, 2013, 06:32:21 PM
Decent game between all the cynical shite. Teams need to take some responsibility to cut this shite out or else the GAA will have their hand forced to bring in ridiculous rules to cut it out.
But we know asking players to do anything for the good of the game is wasted breath. What you wouldn't give for a bit of honour amongst men these days.
Why should they? Despite what you may think they're not there to entertain you. They are there for their all-ireland medal. And they'll go to hell and back to get one.
Quote from: thejuice on May 26, 2013, 06:32:21 PM
Decent game between all the cynical shite. Teams need to take some responsibility to cut this shite out or else the GAA will have their hand forced to bring in ridiculous rules to cut it out.
But we know asking players to do anything for the good of the game is wasted breath. What you wouldn't give for a bit of honour amongst men these days.
Armagh tried to cut all the cynical stuff and play attacking football. Look we're that got us! If Kernan had have taken Mackey out then Cavan would not have got their goal and Cavan may not have won. It often pays to be cynical. Looking at that match today I am not even sure how much the black card would reduce the crap.
Fascinating game today, Donegal are tactically so well drilled and disciplined, they are like an army. The wall of Donegal bodies inside their own 45m line was constant every time Tyrone attacked and they just grind and pummel teams into submission which happened again today. There is no doubt that McGuinness system sucks the flair out of individual players, but you can't argue with the results he has got. I watched a disjointed Donegal in the qualifiers in 2010 get hammered by Armagh and 10 of that team started the AI final last year purely because of McGuinness strategy.
As individuals they have a lot of ordinary players but as a functioning unit where everyone knows their role they are second to none. They have Ulster wrapped up now and I really can't see anybody beating them this year.
Quote from: Collins on May 26, 2013, 05:50:52 PM
Tyrone are far from angels. Of course not.
But Donegal have become successful by taking what is worst in gaelic games and not only taking it to greater depths but by making it necessary to be successful in the modern era.
Namely, the blanket defence (taken from Armagh and Tyrone), the psychological warfare/slabbering disgusting things to opponents before a free or after a miss (taken from Dublin), and the brutal cynicism in everything they do, like professional fouls all over the park, the diving, the time-wasting (taken from a number of teams down the years).
As I've said before, Donegal and the rule makers are the two enemies of gaelic football. Both do everything they can to make the sport as less entertaining as possible. Compare them to Hawthorn and the AFL rule makers. Is it any wonder Aussie Rules is now twice the sport gaelic is.
McGuinness job is to extract the best out of the players at his disposal, not to play foot loose fancy football. He is very good at that. They may well do all of the things that you state but you can't argue with their effectiveness. He is undoubtedly the best manager in the business.
Must be tough for tyrone, 3 years on the trot getting trounced by donegal. Have jimmy and his army beaten the mighty armagh yet in a champo game??
Quote from: RandyDupree on May 26, 2013, 06:41:43 PM
Quote from: thejuice on May 26, 2013, 06:32:21 PM
Decent game between all the cynical shite. Teams need to take some responsibility to cut this shite out or else the GAA will have their hand forced to bring in ridiculous rules to cut it out.
But we know asking players to do anything for the good of the game is wasted breath. What you wouldn't give for a bit of honour amongst men these days.
Why should they? Despite what you may think they're not there to entertain you. They are there for their all-ireland medal. And they'll go to hell and back to get one.
I know they are not there to entertain anyone, I don't mind defensive tactics and things like that, but grabbing opponents legs or lying on them after the whistle has gone to delay the game. While teams are doing it to gain an advantage, over all the game is poorer for it and it will only lead to the GAA once again having to bring in more rules to try and cut it out.
Either that or they'll be playing in empty stadiums.
Donegal were the better team.
Tyrone played well but couldn't make the most from their periods of dominance.
I can see Donegal winning Sam again, Tyrone will make quarter, maybe semi finals.
Quote from: Collins on May 26, 2013, 05:15:06 PM
Unfortunately the Donegal mind games have got to the Tyrone keeper. Suppose that's why they do what they do. Doesn't make it any less disgusting. Heard reports of some vile things said by Donegal players to opponents.
Goal Donegal. Will probably be the difference.
Could we say they Out-Tyroned Tyrone!
Quote from: thejuice on May 26, 2013, 07:01:29 PM
Quote from: RandyDupree on May 26, 2013, 06:41:43 PM
Quote from: thejuice on May 26, 2013, 06:32:21 PM
Decent game between all the cynical shite. Teams need to take some responsibility to cut this shite out or else the GAA will have their hand forced to bring in ridiculous rules to cut it out.
But we know asking players to do anything for the good of the game is wasted breath. What you wouldn't give for a bit of honour amongst men these days.
Why should they? Despite what you may think they're not there to entertain you. They are there for their all-ireland medal. And they'll go to hell and back to get one.
I know they are not there to entertain anyone, I don't mind defensive tactics and things like that, but grabbing opponents legs or lying on them after the whistle has gone to delay the game. While teams are doing it to gain an advantage, over all the game is poorer for it and it will only lead to the GAA once again having to bring in more rules to try and cut it out.
Either that or they'll be playing in empty stadiums.
Yeah, that was really annoying alright, lost count of the amount of times they held onto either (a) opponents leg or (b) the ball after they had conceded a free kick. Once they go a few points up it seems to worsen and particularly in the latter stages of games.
Quote from: screenexile on May 26, 2013, 07:08:28 PM
Could we say they Out-Tyroned Tyrone!
Unfortunately Tyrone haven't been sucessful enough recently to have acquired something that other teams want to copy - think you're about three years too late with that comment.
Well done Donegal. I've arrived home angry more than anything else, why was the tactic of playing absolutely no one between midfield and full forward adopted? I just can't understand it. And why put our best ball winner (Stevie) out the field if you are going to pump in high balls, albeit he did get through a good bit of work out there.
Best for me from a Tyrone persepctive were Gormely at times and Clarke. I thought Justin was a good bit livlier than of late. P Harte still making wild distribution to where he thinks players should be, rather than where they are.
Donegal's number 2 made me laugh a few times today - he was mouthing off to Morgan when he came up to take a free, and he was so small that Clarke just stepped in front of him and totally blocked him out. Then he tried getting stuck into Gormley who swatted him away like an annoying little fly.
Game I was at went so bad that I got the whole second half of this. Donegal look mean again but 1 thing is for sure, their fans have got fierce cocky alltogether.
Jeering at the oppositions free taker, singing cheerio, cheerio, cheerio to McMahon getting sent off and then breaking out into championes championes oh wey oh wey oh wey.
There's no need for it. You don't need to sink to that level Donegal, you're acting like the dirty Dubs.
Best team won. No complaints.
Donegal are a brilliant side with a great manager.
Tyrone will be hard to beat in the qualifiers.
Just so you know Im not pointing the finger at any team in particular, I wouldn't dare suggest my county are innocent by any means.
Anyway well done Donegal, great team going forward and I think that was the difference. When the chips were down and Tyrone needed big scores to win it they had isolated forwards trying to win high balls on their own among a crowd of defenders. Where as Donegal were excellent moving forward.
Quote from: Dont Matter on May 26, 2013, 07:16:17 PM
Game I was at went so bad that I got the whole second half of this. Donegal look mean again but 1 thing is for sure, their fans have got fierce cocky alltogether.
Jeering at the oppositions free taker, singing cheerio, cheerio, cheerio to McMahon getting sent off and then breaking out into championes championes oh wey oh wey oh wey.
There's no need for it. You don't need to sink to that level Donegal, you're acting like the dirty Dubs.
I can see why they appeal to Brolly.
Not sure why the Dubs are getting abuse here. It is a while since I saw behaviour like that from Dublin supporters and we have seen a bit of them over the years.
Quote from: muppet on May 26, 2013, 07:19:23 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on May 26, 2013, 07:16:17 PM
Game I was at went so bad that I got the whole second half of this. Donegal look mean again but 1 thing is for sure, their fans have got fierce cocky alltogether.
Jeering at the oppositions free taker, singing cheerio, cheerio, cheerio to McMahon getting sent off and then breaking out into championes championes oh wey oh wey oh wey.
There's no need for it. You don't need to sink to that level Donegal, you're acting like the dirty Dubs.
I can see why they appeal to Brolly.
Not sure why the Dubs are getting abuse here. It is a while since I saw behaviour like that from Dublin supporters and we have seen a bit of them over the years.
When's the last time you lost to them in the championship?
Quote from: orangeman on May 26, 2013, 07:17:09 PM
Best team won. No complaints.
Donegal are a brilliant side with a great manager.
Tyrone will be hard to beat in the qualifiers.
Not sure if they are a BRILLIANT side bit but they certainly have a brilliant manager. They have a handful of top class players but a lot of average ones as well moulded into a very effective functioning unit by McGuinness.
Quote from: muppet on May 26, 2013, 07:19:23 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on May 26, 2013, 07:16:17 PM
Game I was at went so bad that I got the whole second half of this. Donegal look mean again but 1 thing is for sure, their fans have got fierce cocky alltogether.
Jeering at the oppositions free taker, singing cheerio, cheerio, cheerio to McMahon getting sent off and then breaking out into championes championes oh wey oh wey oh wey.
There's no need for it. You don't need to sink to that level Donegal, you're acting like the dirty Dubs.
I can see why they appeal to Brolly.
Not sure why the Dubs are getting abuse here. It is a while since I saw behaviour like that from Dublin supporters and we have seen a bit of them over the years.
Same, always found (most) Dublin supporters to be respectful and didn't begrudge us the victories over them from '05-'09. Sure there is a soccer element to some of the supporters on the Hill but you'll have that with any side. Found Dublin fans especially gracious in defeat
especially when it was stole from them at the death (league '09) or when we embarrassed a heavily fancied side ('08). I was damn glad to see them and their sizeable support enjoy the 2011 All-Ireland.
Didn't agree with the actions of quite a few Donegal fans today. Also there was pure needless involvement from that f**king gobshite Rory Gallagher.
Quote from: Dont Matter on May 26, 2013, 07:21:57 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 26, 2013, 07:19:23 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on May 26, 2013, 07:16:17 PM
Game I was at went so bad that I got the whole second half of this. Donegal look mean again but 1 thing is for sure, their fans have got fierce cocky alltogether.
Jeering at the oppositions free taker, singing cheerio, cheerio, cheerio to McMahon getting sent off and then breaking out into championes championes oh wey oh wey oh wey.
There's no need for it. You don't need to sink to that level Donegal, you're acting like the dirty Dubs.
I can see why they appeal to Brolly.
Not sure why the Dubs are getting abuse here. It is a while since I saw behaviour like that from Dublin supporters and we have seen a bit of them over the years.
When's the last time you lost to them in the championship?
1985?
We see lots of their real supporters in the League though.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 26, 2013, 07:24:29 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 26, 2013, 07:17:09 PM
Best team won. No complaints.
Donegal are a brilliant side with a great manager.
Tyrone will be hard to beat in the qualifiers.
Not sure if they are a BRILLIANT side bit but they certainly have a brilliant manager. They have a handful of top class players but a lot of average ones as well moulded into a very effective functioning unit by McGuinness.
Donegal going for a hat trick of Ulsters, coming in as AI champs in my mind says they're a brilliant team. Tyrone in their pomp couldn't achieve that.
Tyrone supporters are all genuine Gaels and would never boo or do olés during matches or cause rows in the stands etc etc.
They were every bit as bad as Donegal supporters were today. Successful teams have that element and Tyrone have had their fair share of supporters doing the same over the years.
Also in the 'mouthing at the free taker' nonsense ... McMenamin and Mossy Quinn anyone?
Have nothing but admiration for Donegal and the way they go about their business. Tyrone touted as a genuine contender before the game and brushed aside with relative ease. Don't get me wrong Tyrone will be hard to beat in the qualifiers but they aren't at the level of Donegal/Dublin at full tilt.
That was a difficult defeat to take, but not because of any outside influences. Simply because Donegal were too good for us. Outplayed and deserved their win. They truly are the kingpins of Ulster and I can't seen them being stopped this year, in their race for the Anglo-Celt. Whether they win back-to-back All-Ireland, that's another matter. If they can keep the hungry they showed today, they'll be hard to stop.
Still think Tyrone can make it to Croke Park in August, but maybe just as far as the Quarter-Final. This team Mickey is building at the moment, I'm convinced with be climbing the steps to the Hogan Stand some September. It's just a year or two too soon for them.
Quote from: Dont Matter on May 26, 2013, 07:16:17 PM
Game I was at went so bad that I got the whole second half of this. Donegal look mean again but 1 thing is for sure, their fans have got fierce cocky alltogether.
Jeering at the oppositions free taker, singing cheerio, cheerio, cheerio to McMahon getting sent off and then breaking out into championes championes oh wey oh wey oh wey.
There's no need for it. You don't need to sink to that level Donegal, you're acting like the dirty Dubs.
What a ridiculous statement ................................showing your prejudice against the Dubs there even though they werent even playing, get a real grip fella
Good job by Donegal today ....................... what the hell is wrong with Rory Gallagher though, he has to get involved in everything
Quote from: orangeman on May 26, 2013, 07:32:50 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 26, 2013, 07:24:29 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 26, 2013, 07:17:09 PM
Best team won. No complaints.
Donegal are a brilliant side with a great manager.
Tyrone will be hard to beat in the qualifiers.
Not sure if they are a BRILLIANT side bit but they certainly have a brilliant manager. They have a handful of top class players but a lot of average ones as well moulded into a very effective functioning unit by McGuinness.
Donegal going for a hat trick of Ulsters, coming in as AI champs in my mind says they're a brilliant team. Tyrone in their pomp couldn't achieve that.
Yeah you can't argue with their record but they are more machine like in their football. They may well go on to retain their title ( and I think they will) but they wouldn't have the same calibre of players as that Tyrone side. Lacey, McFadden and Murphy (and potentially McBrearty) are top class but the rest are hard working willing soldiers that McGuinness has got the best out of. McGuinness is the single biggest reason for the transformation of the county.
Quote from: bcarrier on May 26, 2013, 05:44:58 PM
Champ eee ooo nays champ eee ooo nays :(
When the downtrodden rise up they take some time to acquire a bit of class.
Tyrone being the example to prove your case.
Quote from: muppet on May 26, 2013, 07:31:56 PM
1985?
We see lots of their real supporters in the League though.
Yes but not in the championship. See they're sneaky like that, when they lose they act all gracious but it's really to save themselves from a slagging. They don't mean it but when they win they'd get right into your faces, if it happens to you you'll know about it.
A nasty bunch.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on May 26, 2013, 07:40:36 PM
What a ridiculous statement ................................showing your prejudice against the Dubs there even though they werent even playing, get a real grip fella
I hope the Donegal fans improve their behaviour from now on, nothing worse than being compared to the filthy Dubs.
Wouldn't be so sure on Tyrone playing in quarters. Qualifiers are luck of the draw.
Tyrone showed in the league final that they are not the finished article and it would have been surprising if they had won today. Still a long way to go for Tir Chonaill.
Disappointing result but the better team won. KL made some difference. I was shocked by the sheer lack of any class in victory from a large section of Donegal supporters at the end though. As Tyrone fans began leaving early there were scores of donegal fans, including grown men, in the stand waving car keys, singing "chiompioneees", hurling fairly scummy abuse at them and giving them the fingers. Absolutely trampish behaviour.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 26, 2013, 07:43:21 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 26, 2013, 07:32:50 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 26, 2013, 07:24:29 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 26, 2013, 07:17:09 PM
Best team won. No complaints.
Donegal are a brilliant side with a great manager.
Tyrone will be hard to beat in the qualifiers.
Not sure if they are a BRILLIANT side bit but they certainly have a brilliant manager. They have a handful of top class players but a lot of average ones as well moulded into a very effective functioning unit by McGuinness.
Donegal going for a hat trick of Ulsters, coming in as AI champs in my mind says they're a brilliant team. Tyrone in their pomp couldn't achieve that.
Yeah you can't argue with their record but they are more machine like in their football. They may well go on to retain their title ( and I think they will) but they wouldn't have the same calibre of players as that Tyrone side. Lacey, McFadden and Murphy (and potentially McBrearty) are top class but the rest are hard working willing soldiers that McGuinness has got the best out of. McGuinness is the single biggest reason for the transformation of the county.
I think it's quite ironic that tyrone fans are coming out with this type of statement. You could make exactly the same comment about the Tyrone teams 03/05/08 and Mickey Harte. IMO, the reason behind any of the success Tyrone have had is Mickey Harte. Yes there have been a few exceptional players along the way, but the vast majority were just average as well but were well drilled and stuck to what they were told to do.
From McGuinness came into the Donegal role he set about preparing the team in much the same way Mickey Harte did with an underachieving side. It's like history repeating, only Donegal now have that sprinkling of exceptional players. Tyrone are still trying to do the same thing they have done before, but they dont have those exceptional players any more (barring O'Neill anyway). Donegal are going to be around for a while and I dont think they'll be beat in Ulster unless they have an off day. It might be hard for them to reach the same intensity they did today against any of the remaining teams as they wouldnt see them as as big a risk as Tyrone. So only hope is to catch them on the hop.
As far as the AI is concerned, Donegal are the only team about that can beat Donegal.
Dublin will beat Donegal.
I guarantee it.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 26, 2013, 08:10:43 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 26, 2013, 07:43:21 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 26, 2013, 07:32:50 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 26, 2013, 07:24:29 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 26, 2013, 07:17:09 PM
Best team won. No complaints.
Donegal are a brilliant side with a great manager.
Tyrone will be hard to beat in the qualifiers.
Not sure if they are a BRILLIANT side bit but they certainly have a brilliant manager. They have a handful of top class players but a lot of average ones as well moulded into a very effective functioning unit by McGuinness.
Donegal going for a hat trick of Ulsters, coming in as AI champs in my mind says they're a brilliant team. Tyrone in their pomp couldn't achieve that.
Yeah you can't argue with their record but they are more machine like in their football. They may well go on to retain their title ( and I think they will) but they wouldn't have the same calibre of players as that Tyrone side. Lacey, McFadden and Murphy (and potentially McBrearty) are top class but the rest are hard working willing soldiers that McGuinness has got the best out of. McGuinness is the single biggest reason for the transformation of the county.
I think it's quite ironic that tyrone fans are coming out with this type of statement. You could make exactly the same comment about the Tyrone teams 03/05/08 and Mickey Harte. IMO, the reason behind any of the success Tyrone have had is Mickey Harte. Yes there have been a few exceptional players along the way, but the vast majority were just average as well but were well drilled and stuck to what they were told to do.
From McGuinness came into the Donegal role he set about preparing the team in much the same way Mickey Harte did with an underachieving side. It's like history repeating, only Donegal now have that sprinkling of exceptional players. Tyrone are still trying to do the same thing they have done before, but they dont have those exceptional players any more (barring O'Neill anyway). Donegal are going to be around for a while and I dont think they'll be beat in Ulster unless they have an off day. It might be hard for them to reach the same intensity they did today against any of the remaining teams as they wouldnt see them as as big a risk as Tyrone. So only hope is to catch them on the hop.
As far as the AI is concerned, Donegal are the only team about that can beat Donegal.
Yeah, thats fair comment, hard to disagree with that but I do think that Tyrone side with players like Canavan, O'Neill, Mulligan, McGuigan, Cavanagh etc had more a lot individual flair. It's no coincidence that Donegals most talented players look poorer playing in the Donegal system ie Murphy, McBrearty but the lesser ones look better players than they actually are. The system they play stifles creative flair.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 26, 2013, 08:11:42 PM
Dublin will beat Donegal.
I guarantee it.
That's a good warning for Donegal fans. Watch out when you play Dublin, keep your valuables safe cause the Dubs will beat you.
You have a good chance on the pitch however.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 26, 2013, 08:11:42 PM
Dublin will beat Donegal.
I guarantee it.
Can't see it myself. Undoubtedly they have better players and I think that is what most people base their opinion on. The Donegal system will be Dublins undoing like many before them. Dublin are the only top team that Donegal haven't beaten yet and that will be an extra source of motivation for them.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 26, 2013, 08:10:43 PM
I think it's quite ironic that tyrone fans are coming out with this type of statement. You could make exactly the same comment about the Tyrone teams 03/05/08 and Mickey Harte. IMO, the reason behind any of the success Tyrone have had is Mickey Harte. Yes there have been a few exceptional players along the way, but the vast majority were just average as well but were well drilled and stuck to what they were told to do.
From McGuinness came into the Donegal role he set about preparing the team in much the same way Mickey Harte did with an underachieving side. It's like history repeating, only Donegal now have that sprinkling of exceptional players. Tyrone are still trying to do the same thing they have done before, but they dont have those exceptional players any more (barring O'Neill anyway).
Nonsense. Cormac McAnallen, Conor Gormley, Philip Jordan, Sean Cavanagh, Brian Dooher, Brian McGuigan, Owen Mulligan, Peter Cananvan and Stephen O'Neill. All magnificent footballers. There were other boys in those Tyrone teams who were away above "average". I would not underplay the role of Mickey Harte in Tyrone's success in the previous decade but the fact is that he had a brilliant set of players to work with, players who had already enjoyed huge success at underage level. The Tyrone team of 2005 in particular was one of the best teams in recent decades. It's just a poor comparison from you there and nothing like "history repeating". Tyrone were reigning league champions when Harte took over and had won a provincial title 18 months previously as well. Nothing like Donegal when McGuinness got the job.
Tyrone out to 16/1 to win the All-Ireland, Donegal 3/1.
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 26, 2013, 08:07:58 PM
Disappointing result but the better team won. KL made some difference. I was shocked by the sheer lack of any class in victory from a large section of Donegal supporters at the end though. As Tyrone fans began leaving early there were scores of donegal fans, including grown men, in the stand waving car keys, singing "chiompioneees", hurling fairly scummy abuse at them and giving them the fingers. Absolutely trampish behaviour.
Hilarious! Glass houses and throwing stones comes to mind!
I would take you back to Tyrones behaviour in 2004 when playing Derry in the first round of the Championship. Pot, Kettle, Black!
Jesis Christ. Wer do u start.
Donegal are bunch of systematic fouling bastids but boy they r good at it.
Divin, yapping at ref, haulin and pullin. Won't work next year wen black card is in.
As for Gallagher, someone shud hav hit him a box in the gub. Twat.
Mc Guinness is a tactical genius. Al players bought in2 his ideas.
How come no other manger thought of puttin 3 tall players in front of kicker. Cluxton wil get same for rest of year.
Suprised not more yappin from Tyrone wana yet. Sure it will start and ref will get it.
Imagine if they draw our Ma in next round. Some yapping at that game. Ref, managers, the works will get it and it wil probably be brollys fault
thought we were exposed big time on the sidleine today. really disappointed with that today.
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Quote from: Nally Stand on May 26, 2013, 08:07:58 PM
Disappointing result but the better team won. KL made some difference. I was shocked by the sheer lack of any class in victory from a large section of Donegal supporters at the end though. As Tyrone fans began leaving early there were scores of donegal fans, including grown men, in the stand waving car keys, singing "chiompioneees", hurling fairly scummy abuse at them and giving them the fingers. Absolutely trampish behaviour.
Hilarious! Glass houses and throwing stones comes to mind!
I would take you back to Tyrones behaviour in 2004 when playing Derry in the first round of the Championship. Pot, Kettle, Black!
Well I was doing no such thing in 2004, nor was every Donegal fan today, so I'm not in any glass house. I am merely commenting on the trampish behaviour from a fairly large section of the Donegal support in the stand at the end. Your gripe about behaviour of Tyrone fans
nine years ago has absolutely no relevance to my point whatsoever. When people with children at their sides are walking past Donegal fans waving car keys, shouting abuse and giving them the fingers, then I stand by my original post. The behaviour of those particular fans today showed a real lack of class.
No binding at all!
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Giving the fingers, was it really that bad? i have seen hostile crowds before, tyrone 95 in clones jumps quick to mind, serious abuse that day, donegal did seem to have a section of fans last yr in areas who were mouthy but they seemed teenagers/ early 20`s, wasn't much to say back to them when they were 10pts up. Monaghan in a bar in belfast back round 2006 comes to mind, with 20 odd lads chanting in a pub we dont take the queens shilling, close to a row that day,
You got to remember lads, this lot jumped gaa legend Spillane 2yrs ago, looks like they have picked up a few dodgy supporters, hell thats what the bandwagon all about lol
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 26, 2013, 09:15:10 PM
Giving the fingers, was it really that bad? i have seen hostile crowds before, tyrone 95 in clones jumps quick to mind, serious abuse that day, donegal did seem to have a section of fans last yr in areas who were mouthy but they seemed teenagers/ early 20`s, wasn't much to say back to them when they were 10pts up. Monaghan in a bar in belfast back round 2006 comes to mind, with 20 odd lads chanting in a pub we dont take the queens shilling, close to a row that day, thought we were out numbered 20 to 4. love to see them lads again as we bailed the f**kers out lol
Not a clue do I have what you're saying.
On the game itself I thought Tyrone did well at midfield but their plan to tale the ball down the wings and shoot at crazy angles didn't work. Also the tactic of bringing Morgan up for stupid frees bit them badly on the ass. It was hugely demoralising for him and ultimately the team to miss so many frees. There was one he missed when the game was level (I think) where the whole team looked deflated and then Donegal brought on Lacey to a huge cheer which turned the screw for Donegal and they never looked back.
Tyrones defence also weren't up to it. Carlin and Gormley were destroyed for pace in the build up to Wherrity's goal and in todays game pace is so important as all the big teams have it and you must be able to deal with it.
PS. Colm Cavanagh is brutal!
Got to hand it to Jimmy he is a very focussed man & has certainly worked wonders with Donegal. As for Tyrone, we can play some great football but by God do we need to get smarter. Allowed Donegal to dictate the pace, let them bully us round free kicks & didn't buy frees when thy gave us so many chances with their forearm tackles. How many times did they con the ref with dives and we allowed them by leaving an arm in or letting them cut across us and then throw themselves to the ground.
My god do we need to get a nasty streak back- our teams of 03' 05 08 wouldnt have stood for the bullsiht that went on today. M Murphy constantly gubbing & influencing the ref... Why wasn't he thumped? Allowing Morgan to take that abuse when kicking frees... Fcuk sake lads start a ruckus or something. McQuillan the prune couldn't handle it so why did we stand back & take it. We need to get game smart or we'll continue to get bullied. It will be a long time before a ref & his officials are capable of controlling a team like Donegal so lets get this sorted in the qualifiers.
In all honesty after the keeper scored his point on the 2nd attempt and let the crowd know it, they were always going to be on his back. I dont think tyrone can complain about diving as for years your star midfielder was renowned for his swan lake diving impressions, its not nice when its on the other foot!!
very disappointing, donegal full value for the victory.
when the game was in the melting pot at 1-6 to 9 tyrone werent able to step up and take control of the game. missed a few very good chances, with morgan missing a few frees as well.
Alot of poor performances from tyrone today with really only gormely standing out as having played well.
A few strange decisions from the line aswell. I couldnt believe when they brought Cass on it was for justy and not Joe. Joe had been very poor and had just picked up a booking.
tyrone had completly lost their shape and all leadership at that stage.
Mcquillan was very poor today i thought and was completely intimidated by the crowd and the donegal management on the line.
He failed to deal with donegal gamesmanship throughout allowing mangers & the doctor to constantly run on the pitch and get involved in incidednts (that donegal doctor needs a good skite, his behaviour was a disgrace)
Also, with morgans frees allowed donegal players to stand far to close,he would move them back only for them to creep back up, dont know why he hadnt the balls to start booking them for this and dellaying free kicks etc. at one point he made a mark on the ground for the donegal man to stand behind and then allowed him to stand 3 yards in front of it!
saying all that, once donegal got the second goal, their was no way back for tyrone, they showed very little spirit and didnt deserve to get anything out of the game
impressed with mcbearty today, really took on the mantle for donegal. gonna be a serious player
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Quote from: Nally Stand on May 26, 2013, 08:07:58 PM
Disappointing result but the better team won. KL made some difference. I was shocked by the sheer lack of any class in victory from a large section of Donegal supporters at the end though. As Tyrone fans began leaving early there were scores of donegal fans, including grown men, in the stand waving car keys, singing "chiompioneees", hurling fairly scummy abuse at them and giving them the fingers. Absolutely trampish behaviour.
Hilarious! Glass houses and throwing stones comes to mind!
I would take you back to Tyrones behaviour in 2004 when playing Derry in the first round of the Championship. Pot, Kettle, Black!
Well I was doing no such thing in 2004, nor was every Donegal fan today, so I'm not in any glass house. I am merely commenting on the trampish behaviour from a fairly large section of the Donegal support in the stand at the end. Your gripe about behaviour of Tyrone fans nine years ago has absolutely no relevance to my point whatsoever. When people with children at their sides are walking past Donegal fans waving car keys, shouting abuse and giving them the fingers, then I stand by my original post. The behaviour of those particular fans today showed a real lack of class.
I'm not saying you personally were involved in anything but as a Tyrone supporter you have to accept that while your team were successful you had more than your fair share of trampish fans/bandwagon jumpers engaging in the same behaviour so your crying about Donegal fans seems a bit rich.
Quote from: TY14ED on May 26, 2013, 09:23:02 PM
Got to hand it to Jimmy he is a very focussed man & has certainly worked wonders with Donegal. As for Tyrone, we can play some great football but by God do we need to get smarter. Allowed Donegal to dictate the pace, let them bully us round free kicks & didn't buy frees when thy gave us so many chances with their forearm tackles. How many times did they con the ref with dives and we allowed them by leaving an arm in or letting them cut across us and then throw themselves to the ground.
My god do we need to get a nasty streak back- our teams of 03' 05 08 wouldnt have stood for the bullsiht that went on today. M Murphy constantly gubbing & influencing the ref... Why wasn't he thumped? Allowing Morgan to take that abuse when kicking frees... Fcuk sake lads start a ruckus or something. McQuillan the prune couldn't handle it so why did we stand back & take it. We need to get game smart or we'll continue to get bullied. It will be a long time before a ref & his officials are capable of controlling a team like Donegal so lets get this sorted in the qualifiers.
agree with this, once it was obvious mcquillan wasnt going to deal with this, tyrone should have fcked a couple of them out of the way and made an issue of it. force the ref into dealing with it. the players just stood back and took it.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 26, 2013, 09:26:28 PM
In all honesty after the keeper scored his point on the 2nd attempt and let the crowd know it, they were always going to be on his back. I dont think tyrone can complain about diving as for years your star midfielder was renowned for his swan lake diving impressions, its not nice when its on the other foot!!
Not complaining at all- just stating that we need to get with it. This happens in games and it's costing us. Need to get smart to it. As for our swan he was fairly anonymous today. And as swans go what about the bold PB?
As a Clonoe man is any wonder we feel let down by Harte. Why on earth did he take McAliskey off, when he didn't take the nephew or Mc Mahon off when they got booked. In a game where scores were at a premium he took off one of our best scoring forwards. What must Colm Doris think when he see Colm Cavanagh playing game in game out.
BTW that's our last two championship games that we have taken a bad beating, Kerry and now Donegal.
Very disappointing. I thought we'd lose by about that margin, but not in that manner. That game was there for the taking but we lacked any form of intelligence on the ball when faced with the Donegal no-scoring zone. It now seems that Morgan was the only plan Mickey had to deal with what had defeated him the previous two years. When that wasn't working, it was just a re-run of 2011 and 2012 with Harte, Donnelly and the Cavs running the ball straight into the gobbling machine.
Fair play to Donegal - whereas Tyrone were able to break through their tackling in the league, the McGuinness championship team was a different beast. The most perplexing thing was this - when McAliskey scored his point early on, it demonstrated one way of beating their system. Good, direct central ball into the FF line, swivel and score. It was promising - but then Mickey goes and hauls him off because of the yellow (I assume) whilst others say on with yellows later on. That left Stevie on his own as Harte was getting no change anywhere. Sean was in no-man's land. Sean was then a one-man FF in the second, surrounded by a crateful of Donegal men. Crazy stuff.
Tactically, Mickey had a horrible day and McGuinness skinned him, again. Oddly, for a Tyrone team, we won midfield but did nothing with it. Nothing had been learned or even attempted to address the manner of defeat in the last two years, apart from relying on a young keeper. Maddening.
I take exception to whoever said that Tyrone 03-08 were overachievers. They were certainly one of the best sides of all time. There were certainly 2 to 3 average players that supplemented all the other great players. If you look at say the best 15 from that period...
1. McConnell
2. McMenamin
3. McAnallen
4. Gormley
5. Harte
6. McMahon
7. Jordan.
8. McGinley
9. Cavanagh
10. Dooher
11. McGuigan
12. Cavlan
13. O'Neill
14. Canavan
15. Mulligan
Every single one of those players would get on any team in any era. Then you have left out Justin McMahon, Devlin, McCullagh, Penrose, Devine, Lawn, Mellon, Hughes, Holmes etc.. Granted we always lacked the person to lep and catch the ball at midfield.. but there is no contesting the quality of that team. Spillane's bitterness in '03 masked just how well they played that year, especially in the first half against Kerry.
As regards this year, nothing is won in May. Donegal have won only the one All-Ireland in recent years. They certainly are a formidable team. They may get ahead of themselves and buy into the hype. Brolly seems to like to mythologise a team every now and then. He did it with Tyrone (2003-09), which maybe was justified, but in '08 he did call Donaghy unmarkable aswell... I hope Donegal do believe the hype. Tyrone have got a lot of attention of late, which is good and bad. The pressure will be off, but they have a point to prove, like Tyrone in 2008 where they were 33/1 at one stage! This is a different Tyrone team and how good they are certainly remains to be seen. Now they have a point to prove, as they left this match very much behind them.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 26, 2013, 09:26:28 PM
In all honesty after the keeper scored his point on the 2nd attempt and let the crowd know it, they were always going to be on his back. I dont think tyrone can complain about diving as for years your star midfielder was renowned for his swan lake diving impressions, its not nice when its on the other foot!!
Not complaining at all- just stating that we need to get with it. This happens in games and it's costing us. Need to get smart to it. As for our swan he was fairly anonymous today. And as swans go what about the bold PB?
He has many faults but diving ain't one of the them!
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You can get bbc NI on sat freeview under other channels if you've scanned it or search the web for bbc 2 NI. I for one will be worried about McBrearty today. Hopefully no repeat of those antics 40 years ago
McBrearty could be the dark horse in this game. If he clicks it will go a long way towards a Donegal win.
Man of the match & a huge bonus for Donegal if he keeps this up :D :D
Ach, yill always get that to some degree with most counties-seem to remember a small group of young Tyrone fans jumping around a group of Armagh fans in 2005 singing, "You can shove your Ulster title up your ****", after the Semi. I remember being mildly amused by this at the time but to a kid from Armagh, this might have been frightening. Should be discouraged alright but where you have crowds of youngsters boozing and pumped up, these things can happen. The important thing is that nothing gets violent. That would be a sad day for the GAA.
As for the game well done Donegal-must be great relief after the league. Tyrone seemed to have regressed from the side that played towards the end of the league. Didn't see the worth of Peter Harte in this game. Think that his involvement limited the central runs of Mattie and Mark Donnelly that were becoming an exciting facet of Tyrone's gameplay. That's not to say that they would have broken through the tough nucleus of this Donegal team, even though they did run through Dublin at times, but why change a team that are flying?
Early indiscipline from Tyrone was disappointing as it gifted Donegal easy scores-need to work on this. Think that Niall Morgan should not have engaged the Donegal crowd. Why add pressure to an already tricky role so early in a game. When I saw him laughing at the slagging early on, I thought that perhaps he wasn't as focused as he should have been. Great talent and he will learn from this.
Some performance from Gormley-takes the game by the scruff of the neck when it is needed and would be the biggest loss to this team were he to get injured. Think the two McMahon's should have came off earlier. A game like this doesn't suit Joe's languid style.
I wouldn't rate Donegal too highly after this performance as Tyrone were poor by their own standards and failed to bring the new enthusiasm gained in the league into the game. Had Morgan been on target, I'm sure that Tyrone would have won this as the failure to go in front at crucial times seemed to deflate Tyrone in the second half.
You would hope now that the squad, and especially the younger members will rebound through the back door with the same fervour of the 2005 team. A lot to work on.
Quote from: HokeyPokey on May 26, 2013, 10:03:58 PM
This is a different Tyrone team and how good they are certainly remains to be seen. Now they have a point to prove, as they left this match very much behind them.
This was effectively an Ulster Final in which Tyrone were out-thought and out-fought. Donegal's footballing ability has always been there, but the tactical composure they showed today was really impressive.
Tyrone looked very good at significant stages. To lose by two goals will be tough to come back from. It's just a case of going through the motions for Tyrone from here on in.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 26, 2013, 09:26:28 PM
In all honesty after the keeper scored his point on the 2nd attempt and let the crowd know it, they were always going to be on his back. I dont think tyrone can complain about diving as for years your star midfielder was renowned for his swan lake diving impressions, its not nice when its on the other foot!!
Not complaining at all- just stating that we need to get with it. This happens in games and it's costing us. Need to get smart to it. As for our swan he was fairly anonymous today. And as swans go what about the bold PB?
He has many faults but diving ain't one of the them!
Watch him closely
Is it time for Micky Harte to step aside after this season and give someone else a go at it ?
Thought Donegal were by far the better team, although I wouldn't read too much into it all as in my opinion this is a very average Tyrone team (forget about League Football). I really could not understand why people have them as a top four team they are no where near it. Donegal will win Ulster at a canter, but there will be bigger tests ahead than today. Dublin/ Cork / Kerry and perhaps Mayo.
One thing that really frustrates me from today, is how the Donegal players were allowed to stand about five yards in front of a free, and refused to move back despite referee. If the free was beng taken out of the hands then it would be moved in, no reason why This should not have been the case today. Just a small gripe.
Overall Donegal were the better side, and are at least a six points better team, over what for me is an average Tyrone side.
Don't know if it has been discussed earlier, but the ref had a very good game, spotted the dives and was on the ball in most of the decisions.
Well beaten today by a superior team.When a team beats you 3 consecutive times in the championship there can be no complaints.
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 26, 2013, 10:36:56 PM
Is it time for Micky Harte to step aside after this season and give someone else a go at it ?
Who?
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 26, 2013, 08:07:58 PM
As Tyrone fans began leaving early there were scores of donegal fans, including grown men, in the stand waving car keys, singing "chiompioneees", hurling fairly scummy abuse at them and giving them the fingers. Absolutely trampish behaviour.
I must have seen the same crowd as you Nally Stand - around section C? I saw a man of I'd say at least 65/70 with his two hands in the air giving the fingers while shouting cheerio. I couldn't get my camera out quick enough to take a pic. I was a bit taken aback.
Ref should have dealt with the guys who stood too close to Morgan. he couldn't get enough height. An obvious repeated tactic that the ref should have been firm on.
Donegal still did more right than Tyrone and therefore deserved to win.
Quote. Didn't see the worth of Peter Harte in this game
Team has been much better without him recently. Unfortunately he has never shown up in any meaningful games. Has talent undoubtedly but not in the hf line.
I'd say Mickey will have a good chat with Morgan after today.
He's young enough to learn the lesson.
Keep your head down and focus on your own game.
sounds like he brings a new meaning to grumpy old men, some guys never grow up in life!!
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Quote from: Nally Stand on May 26, 2013, 08:07:58 PM
As Tyrone fans began leaving early there were scores of donegal fans, including grown men, in the stand waving car keys, singing "chiompioneees", hurling fairly scummy abuse at them and giving them the fingers. Absolutely trampish behaviour.
I must have seen the same crowd as you Nally Stand - around section C? I saw a man of I'd say at least 65/70 with his two hands in the air giving the fingers while shouting cheerio. I couldn't get my camera out quick enough to take a pic. I was a bit taken aback.
Ref should have dealt with the guys who stood too close to Morgan. he couldn't get enough height. An obvious repeated tactic that the ref should have been firm on.
Donegal still did more right than Tyrone and therefore deserved to win.
Why did you take a photo of him ?
Not too many complaints from a Tyrone perspective. Donegal took their chance when they were presented with them and Tyrone didn't. Not much went right for Tyrone but I still think we can have a good summer. Just a few general musings-
1. Tyrone were tactically out maneuvered today. At times it seemed that Mickey was taking a lesson from the Paul Grimley school of coaching. Tyrone's full back line was left badly exposed. The two goals were the best but not only examples of Quinn and McCarron and then Carlin and McCarron being left two on two. Last year Ricey came into the team having played very little football and did a great job just sitting in front of the full back line. That worked well until Tyrone ran out of steam. This year a fitter Tyrone team didn't use a sweeper and were ruthlessly exposed.
2. Mickey has clearly being picking his team over the last few rounds of the league with Donegal in mind. There was a big focus on height and strength in the midfield area with some of the pace that had been injected into the team earlier the league removed. I'd hope to see the likes of McNamee given more time in the qualifiers.
3. Peter Harte needs played in a role that suits him or not played at all. He was flitting in between the half forward and full forward lines today and to be honest he looked lost. He played his best football last year in the half back line attacking from deep and getting on the ball alot. It's a lot harder to do in the role he's currently playing.
4. We held our own in midfield but the movement of the ball from the defence and midfield to the attack was cruelly slow at times. When we did get the ball in early in the first half we invariably scored. Off the top of my head McAliskey and O'Neill both scored from play while Stevie was fouled for another free.
Oh and on a side note the Donegal physio and doctor were appalling today. At one stage they were squaring up to Tyrone players when there was no Donegal player even injured on the field. Somebody should really have given the pair of them and Gallagher a good slap make them consider coming on the next time
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 26, 2013, 11:28:36 PM
Why did you take a photo of him ?
If you read the post correctly you'll read that I didn't.
I wish I had as I would have shown it to my father to show him what to do if he ever wanted me to disown him.
Very admirable performance from Donegal. You have to envy a county team that whips Tyrone arses so comprehensively. It must be a nice feeling.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 26, 2013, 11:23:21 PM
I'd say Mickey will have a good chat with Morgan after today.
He's young enough to learn the lesson.
Keep your head down and focus on your own game.
I'd agreed. I thought when he put his two fingers in his ears after scoring his point he really showed the Donegal boo'ers they were in his head.
Quote from: screenexile on May 26, 2013, 09:21:19 PM
On the game itself I thought Tyrone did well at midfield but their plan to tale the ball down the wings and shoot at crazy angles didn't work. Also the tactic of bringing Morgan up for stupid frees bit them badly on the ass. It was hugely demoralising for him and ultimately the team to miss so many frees. There was one he missed when the game was level (I think) where the whole team looked deflated and then Donegal brought on Lacey to a huge cheer which turned the screw for Donegal and they never looked back.
Tyrones defence also weren't up to it. Carlin and Gormley were destroyed for pace in the build up to Wherrity's goal and in todays game pace is so important as all the big teams have it and you must be able to deal with it.
PS. Colm Cavanagh is brutal!
It always humours me to read criticism of players by people who couldn't lace their boots.
What's the story with the "sports Bras" the Tyrone Men were wearing
I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this but is it not about time Mickey Harte got asked some serious hard questions about decision making? The whole things gone stale IMO.
Quote from: crumli on May 26, 2013, 11:58:49 PM
What's the story with the "sports Bras" the Tyrone Men were wearing
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/columnists/declan-bogue/tyrone-ahead-of-the-game-with-gps-29113959.html
Armagh and Tyrone should swap managers. Freshen things up a bit.
It wasn't easy for the Tyronies to be beaten by Donegal for the 3rd consecutive time, but they took their beating well and shook hands after the game.
This was a good day for gaelic football.
Quote from: muppet on May 26, 2013, 09:04:17 PM
No binding at all!
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Take the goalie out of this and you've 9 out of the 14 players. More like a pack of wolves.
Donegal's strength and conditioning was a sight to behold today.
Stevie O'Neill fairly bounced off one of the McGees when he tried to hit him a shoulder in the first half.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 27, 2013, 01:11:48 AM
Stevie O'Neill fairly bounced off one of the McGees when he tried to hit him a shoulder in the first half.
This?
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Class - going to be missing now for the Comórtas unfortunately at the weekend.
The wee man who fell over there did get a good point in the match though.
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on May 27, 2013, 12:28:59 AM
I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this but is it not about time Mickey Harte got asked some serious hard questions about decision making? The whole things gone stale IMO.
Agree. I've been saying for 2-3 years (I know he's had his troubles, but based on football alone), that he#s ran out of ideas, and I also think he's been overly loyal to his 2005 stalwarts for too long, and hindered the development of the next group of players.
Truth be told, I am not sure if the next group will/ would deliver, but they need to be tested.
Quote from: TY14ED on May 26, 2013, 09:23:02 PM
Got to hand it to Jimmy he is a very focussed man & has certainly worked wonders with Donegal. As for Tyrone, we can play some great football but by God do we need to get smarter. Allowed Donegal to dictate the pace, let them bully us round free kicks & didn't buy frees when thy gave us so many chances with their forearm tackles. How many times did they con the ref with dives and we allowed them by leaving an arm in or letting them cut across us and then throw themselves to the ground.
My god do we need to get a nasty streak back- our teams of 03' 05 08 wouldnt have stood for the bullsiht that went on today. M Murphy constantly gubbing & influencing the ref... Why wasn't he thumped? Allowing Morgan to take that abuse when kicking frees... Fcuk sake lads start a ruckus or something. McQuillan the prune couldn't handle it so why did we stand back & take it. We need to get game smart or we'll continue to get bullied. It will be a long time before a ref & his officials are capable of controlling a team like Donegal so lets get this sorted in the qualifiers.
+100
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 27, 2013, 02:00:55 AM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on May 27, 2013, 12:28:59 AM
I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this but is it not about time Mickey Harte got asked some serious hard questions about decision making? The whole things gone stale IMO.
Agree. I've been saying for 2-3 years (I know he's had his troubles, but based on football alone), that he#s ran out of ideas, and I also think he's been overly loyal to his 2005 stalwarts for too long, and hindered the development of the next group of players.
Truth be told, I am not sure if the next group will/ would deliver, but they need to be tested.
Seriously guys, you should sack Mickey and send him our way. It's the least ye can do after the last two years.
Typical of this board that instead of marvelling at the pace, power and skill of the donegal team as a whole, we have people on here talking about who's fans were the worst. As a tyrone fan myself, cant stand most tyrone supporters, especially the tyrone fans that arent affiliated to any club, even worse if they are women, nothing worse. embarrassing at times in the league. but all teams are the same so wouldnt worry.
as regards the game, tyrone arent good enough, havent been for a few years. sheer fitness got them through the league and masked alot of issues but shown up again again and again come championship by top 3-4 teams. defence has no decent man markers, too many average footballers in middle 8, and stevie o, our main marksman isnt the player he was (and by that i mean, he's still good but not the same player who couldve guaranteed you 4-5pnts in a tight game a few years ago).
The gaa has never seen a team like Donegal before. Absolute animals. the work gone into them is a credit to them and the association. Will be interesting to see how quick the wheels come off the wagon once they get beat but
Again, Tyrone too blunt up front, not enough forwards who are either willing or have the speed to take on their man when they get the ball. Our defence was very open, in comparison with Donegals, and this allowed McBrearty a one on one with Carlin for the second goal. Why was there so much space? There were quite a few times in the second half that Tyrones half of the pitch was wide open, surely its a given in this day and age that the half your defending needs to be severly populated by bodies in the way that Donegal had lined out. Tyrone had shut down their half well last year against Donegal but ever since there have been games when it has been wide open, especially in the league this year. People can say what they want, but it is time for a new manager with new ideas and a new direction. Mickey has ran out of ideas and the way the team is organised and plays needs changed. We have done nothing in 4 seasons, and most other managers would be on their bike if they had been over a team that has achieved so little in so many years.
Just like Morgan got too much praise for his Dublin performance he'll get too much criticism for this performance. Missing had nothing to do with "Donegal fans getting into his head". Against Dublin he was the very same, lepping about when he scored, bouncing back to his goal, gesticulating with his arms. All good fun. If the crowd are trying to put him off (as they were in Croker and Ballybofey) then he's every right in my book to give a bit back. All good banter, I'd say he's a mad yoke, a good character.
The main reason he was far more successful v the Dubs was that kicks were that little bit easier. The 5 he got v the Dubs I think were all just about perfect for him, all around the 45m line and most just left of centre. Whereas the one he missed was right of centre. Against Donegal a lot of the balls were either on the right hand side or those few crucial metres further out.
I don't think there's ever been a player in the history of the game who could score 4 or 5 points every game from 45 metres and further out, so it was ridiculous to expect young Morgan to be the first. But I'm sure he'll be back to normal service of 2 or 3 per game.
Very impressed with Donegal. Defending champions doesn't look like it'll be a tag that hurts them, just like the favourites tag doesn't bother them in the slightest either.
Quote from: Hound on May 27, 2013, 09:06:42 AM
Just like Morgan got too much praise for his Dublin performance he'll get too much criticism for this performance. Missing had nothing to do with "Donegal fans getting into his head". Against Dublin he was the very same, lepping about when he scored, bouncing back to his goal, gesticulating with his arms. All good fun. If the crowd are trying to put him off (as they were in Croker and Ballybofey) then he's every right in my book to give a bit back. All good banter, I'd say he's a mad yoke, a good character.
The main reason he was far more successful v the Dubs was that kicks were that little bit easier. The 5 he got v the Dubs I think were all just about perfect for him, all around the 45m line and most just left of centre. Whereas the one he missed was right of centre. Against Donegal a lot of the balls were either on the right hand side or those few crucial metres further out.
I don't think there's ever been a player in the history of the game who could score 4 or 5 points every game from 45 metres and further out, so it was ridiculous to expect young Morgan to be the first. But I'm sure he'll be back to normal service of 2 or 3 per game.
Very impressed with Donegal. Defending champions doesn't look like it'll be a tag that hurts them, just like the favourites tag doesn't bother them in the slightest either.
It was a bit like that young rugby player who lost the Scotland match
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 27, 2013, 08:40:40 AM
Again, Tyrone too blunt up front, not enough forwards who are either willing or have the speed to take on their man when they get the ball. Our defence was very open, in comparison with Donegals, and this allowed McBrearty a one on one with Carlin for the second goal. Why was there so much space? There were quite a few times in the second half that Tyrones half of the pitch was wide open, surely its a given in this day and age that the half your defending needs to be severly populated by bodies in the way that Donegal had lined out. Tyrone had shut down their half well last year against Donegal but ever since there have been games when it has been wide open, especially in the league this year. People can say what they want, but it is time for a new manager with new ideas and a new direction. Mickey has ran out of ideas and the way the team is organised and plays needs changed. We have done nothing in 4 seasons, and most other managers would be on their bike if they had been over a team that has achieved so little in so many years.
Do you rate Mc Brearty now??
Quote from: barelegs on May 26, 2013, 11:31:52 PM
Oh and on a side note the Donegal physio and doctor were appalling today. At one stage they were squaring up to Tyrone players when there was no Donegal player even injured on the field. Somebody should really have given the pair of them and Gallagher a good slap make them consider coming on the next time
Noticed that myself, looked bad from the goggle box.
Donegal look like a well drilled machine and like Kilkenny in the hurling have the foul/non foul down to a fine art, enough to impede and slow momentum but not enough for the referee to blow a free or dish out the cards.
Must be frustrating as hell to play against, but they've got some very fine footballers as well and that shouldn't be dismissed.
I can only see Dublin or an on song Cork (purely as they can match them in the physicality stakes) giving them a run for it this year.
Young McAliskey is bound to be hurting today. Can't be good for your confidence to be hauled off so quickly and then seeing other men, who were playing poorly, stay on when also on yellows. He appeared to be well up for the game and swung over a beauty, the type of score that is needed to beat Donegal's defence i.e. Snap shot on the turn before the swarm descend.
As others have pointed out the defending for the goals was suicidal. Not a chance in hell would we have seen Donegal defenders two on two with acres of space around them. Cathal McCarron badly caught ball watching for first goal, however, our ill discipline resulted in Michael Murphy's free being brought forward to an area where he could put that ball in the danger area. Something we've been continully guilty of and punished for over the years.
I said it yesterday and can only repeat it again, fair play to McGuiness and Donegal. Jimmy wasn't messing when he said their only thoughts this year were the 26th of May and Tyrone. They'll take some stopping this year now that you can almost guarantee they be playing football in Croker in August. I would be very confident in doing the two in a row, however, if one or more of Murphy, McFadden or McBrearty get injured they will be severelyhandicapped.
For Tyrone I am hoping for a nice handy draw in the first round in Healy Park. We need to lick our wounds and get that game out of our system. Would prefer to face an non Ulster team without any baggage. The team i'd like to see start would be:
Morgan
McCarron
Clarke
PJ
Justy
Joe
Gormley
S Cavanagh
A Cassidy
Matty Donnelly
Kyle Coney
Mark Donnelly
McAliskey
SoN
McCurry
We really need to start throwing the younger lads in there to sink our swim. If fit, R O'Neill would have a big shout for the no 15 jersey. Also think P Harte or Penrose haven't done enough to guarantee starting spots, they badly need to find their form to justify their automatic starting spots. I was also disappointed that Mickey isn't giving guys like Lafferty a chance, just don't feel Paddy McNeice is doing enough to warrant the game time he is getting at present.
Anyway, it will be a long hard road for the rest of the summer. I just hope we can make it to Croke Park and test ourselves against the main players again.
Before some start calling for a replacement for Harte cast your minds back to the carnage that was Killarney last July and how Tyrone got wiped by Kerry and how a lot of fans said it was the end and that it would take years to regroup and be a force again.
Credit to Harte who regrouped within 6 months and ran Dublin to a point in the league final.
Ok he made mistakes yesterday, so did the players.
But if Harte were to leave his post, consider carefully who you would appoint to the post ?
Harte is coveted by every other county apart from a couple. So be careful.
Its hard to understand why Tyrone decided to wear a GPS system during yesterdays game. Apart from the cost which I think I read somewhere could be up to £1,000 each, (total=£1,000*20=£20,000 approx) surely the information can be best used after the match. So really the information would only be of any use in future games. It might have been better used in say the League semi final or final.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 27, 2013, 09:44:31 AM
Young McAliskey is bound to be hurting today. Can't be good for your confidence to be hauled off so quickly and then seeing other men, who were playing poorly, stay on when also on yellows. He appeared to be well up for the game and swung over a beauty, the type of score that is needed to beat Donegal's defence i.e. Snap shot on the turn before the swarm descend.
As others have pointed out the defending for the goals was suicidal. Not a chance in hell would we have seen Donegal defenders two on two with acres of space around them. Cathal McCarron badly caught ball watching for first goal, however, our ill discipline resulted in Michael Murphy's free being brought forward to an area where he could put that ball in the danger area. Something we've been continully guilty of and punished for over the years.
I said it yesterday and can only repeat it again, fair play to McGuiness and Donegal. Jimmy wasn't messing when he said their only thoughts this year were the 26th of May and Tyrone. They'll take some stopping this year now that you can almost guarantee they be playing football in Croker in August. I would be very confident in doing the two in a row, however, if one or more of Murphy, McFadden or McBrearty get injured they will be severelyhandicapped.
For Tyrone I am hoping for a nice handy draw in the first round in Healy Park. We need to lick our wounds and get that game out of our system. Would prefer to face an non Ulster team without any baggage. The team i'd like to see start would be:
Morgan
McCarron
Clarke
PJ
Justy
Joe
Gormley
S Cavanagh
A Cassidy
Matty Donnelly
Kyle Coney
Mark Donnelly
McAliskey
SoN
McCurry
We really need to start throwing the younger lads in there to sink our swim. If fit, R O'Neill would have a big shout for the no 15 jersey. Also think P Harte or Penrose haven't done enough to guarantee starting spots, they badly need to find their form to justify their automatic starting spots. I was also disappointed that Mickey isn't giving guys like Lafferty a chance, just don't feel Paddy McNeice is doing enough to warrant the game time he is getting at present.
Anyway, it will be a long hard road for the rest of the summer. I just hope we can make it to Croke Park and test ourselves against the main players again.
You've hit the nail on the head with some of your points. I am a big fan of Peter Harte but he has not been on form for a while now. Penrose doesn't offer enough of an attacking threat for a corner forward, which is crazy considering the speed he has in his legs. Paddy McNeice isn't the type of player that is going to do a lot of damage, I would have preferred Lafferty, Coney or McCurry to come on. As you mentioned, I would start giving the like of Ronan O'Neill and Coney starting spots to see how they fare, its the only way they are ever going to progress. Some players don't get a chance, others seem to get lots of starts without doing much. Athleticism is required at the back, why were McBride or McNamee not on the field. McBride in particular is a strong atheltic player who would add a bit of grit to the back line.
As for the management, in analysing a managers position it shouldn't come down to who will replace him. A change in direction is needed, the game Tyrone play under Harte isn't going to win titles any time soon. If JMG was in charge of the Tyrone team things would be different.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 27, 2013, 10:25:57 AM
Its hard to understand why Tyrone decided to wear a GPS system during yesterdays game. Apart from the cost which I think I read somewhere could be up to £1,000 each, (total=£1,000*20=£20,000 approx) surely the information can be best used after the match. So really the information would only be of any use in future games. It might have been better used in say the League semi final or final.
Thought that myself but I imagine they will be used on an ongoing basis during training and league games as well so they didn't actually shell out £20,000 for the match yesterday. Also I don't think they would be £1,000 a pop either.
If you look at the ireland Rugby jerseys below they all have a pouch for a GPS tracker. I think this will become more common but I think Tyrone made a mistake wearing them yesterday.
(http://s3.jrnl.ie/media/2013/05/rory-best-dejected-1632013-2-390x285.jpg)
Tyrone have used them in every game they have played this year so far. Not just yesterday.
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 27, 2013, 10:34:47 AM
Tyrone have used them in every game they have played this year so far. Not just yesterday.
That clears that up then. The cost must be to buy them then and not based on a 'per match' basis then.
Quote from: screenexile on May 27, 2013, 10:32:30 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 27, 2013, 10:25:57 AM
Its hard to understand why Tyrone decided to wear a GPS system during yesterdays game. Apart from the cost which I think I read somewhere could be up to £1,000 each, (total=£1,000*20=£20,000 approx) surely the information can be best used after the match. So really the information would only be of any use in future games. It might have been better used in say the League semi final or final.
Thought that myself but I imagine they will be used on an ongoing basis during training and league games as well so they didn't actually shell out £20,000 for the match yesterday. Also I don't think they would be £1,000 a pop either.
If you look at the ireland Rugby jerseys below they all have a pouch for a GPS tracker. I think this will become more common but I think Tyrone made a mistake wearing them yesterday.
(http://s3.jrnl.ie/media/2013/05/rory-best-dejected-1632013-2-390x285.jpg)
How in God's name would it have effected the outcome? :o
Some fantastic scores yesterday. Donegal the better team...end of story. Sean Cavanagh and S O'Neill well marked so credit to the McGees. I feel Donegal will get better and will be very hard to beat....don't think the Dubs can match them.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on May 27, 2013, 10:49:47 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 27, 2013, 10:32:30 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 27, 2013, 10:25:57 AM
Its hard to understand why Tyrone decided to wear a GPS system during yesterdays game. Apart from the cost which I think I read somewhere could be up to £1,000 each, (total=£1,000*20=£20,000 approx) surely the information can be best used after the match. So really the information would only be of any use in future games. It might have been better used in say the League semi final or final.
Thought that myself but I imagine they will be used on an ongoing basis during training and league games as well so they didn't actually shell out £20,000 for the match yesterday. Also I don't think they would be £1,000 a pop either.
If you look at the ireland Rugby jerseys below they all have a pouch for a GPS tracker. I think this will become more common but I think Tyrone made a mistake wearing them yesterday.
(http://s3.jrnl.ie/media/2013/05/rory-best-dejected-1632013-2-390x285.jpg)
How in God's name would it have effected the outcome? :o
You don't think there were all kinds of jibes flying about yesterday concerning sports bra's etc. It probably didn't but it was very obvious and it doesn't do them any favours.
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 26, 2013, 09:00:22 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 26, 2013, 08:39:08 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 26, 2013, 08:07:58 PM
Disappointing result but the better team won. KL made some difference. I was shocked by the sheer lack of any class in victory from a large section of Donegal supporters at the end though. As Tyrone fans began leaving early there were scores of donegal fans, including grown men, in the stand waving car keys, singing "chiompioneees", hurling fairly scummy abuse at them and giving them the fingers. Absolutely trampish behaviour.
Hilarious! Glass houses and throwing stones comes to mind!
I would take you back to Tyrones behaviour in 2004 when playing Derry in the first round of the Championship. Pot, Kettle, Black!
Well I was doing no such thing in 2004, nor was every Donegal fan today, so I'm not in any glass house. I am merely commenting on the trampish behaviour from a fairly large section of the Donegal support in the stand at the end. Your gripe about behaviour of Tyrone fans nine years ago has absolutely no relevance to my point whatsoever. When people with children at their sides are walking past Donegal fans waving car keys, shouting abuse and giving them the fingers, then I stand by my original post. The behaviour of those particular fans today showed a real lack of class.
There isn't a county in Ireland that doesn't have tramps like these at championship games. You'll not see them at a McKenna Cup group game though!
We'll be knocked out later on this year and it will probably be to another trouncing. If we get another hammering at the end of the year then Mickey will have to go. The main problem is down to our style of play which worked well 10 years ago when you were not playing against massed defenses. We are far too slow to get the ball into the full forward line. I counted I think 3 occasions in the first half when we played it long and I think that it was even fewer in the second half. The way we're playing you could have Peter Canavan, Frank McGuigan and Iggy Jones in the full forward line and our half backs would probably score more than them. What I really liked last year about Donegal was that they were not afraid to let it in long especially when they got to Croke Park. The stats show that Donegal have the best completion rate and it's no wonder because they're getting the ball into the area were it's easiest to score from. The way to set up against Donegal is to have a 3 man full forward line (2 target men and a speedster) and tell them not to move more than 30m from goal. You have the rest of the team defend from the 50m back and tell them as soon as they get the ball to halfway then belt it in. Don't even think of hitting it towards the wings - just straight towards the square. You might only win 25% of the ball coming in but you should get a score from it.
The GPS system is a bit of a red herring. The reality is across the board Donegal were more focused on what they had to do and always looked likely to get the crucial goals and in nullifying the 2 'leaders'of O'Neill and Cavanagh they took the 'heart' out of Tyrone. I know that McBrearty got MoM but i thought the 2 Magee's were exceptional.
The 2 goals were the difference obviously. The indiscipline that caused the first free to be brought forward was very poor. I know Brolly waxed lyrical about McBrearty's touch down for the goal but the corner back was caught out badly positionally wise. He should have been attacking the ball from the inside going out and that would have stopped McBreaty getting his hand to the ball. For the second goal I think it was McNiece who made the run out to Lacey that was highlighted by the lads after the game but if you watch Gormley he was more at fault. He was supposed to be marking Wherity but he was ball watching in no mans land and lost the track of Wherity. If he had followed his man then there wouldhave been no second goal. He looked banjaxed by that stage though as he had put in a very hard shift and I don't think Tyrone had any subs left.
I think the biggest area of concern for Tyrone after yesterday must be the severe malnutrition of Colm Cavanagh.
I thought exactly that on their analysis of the goal. Why were they picking on McNiece whenever Gormley was a) closer and b) is a defender who was on that wing anyway. They just seemed to want to pick someone out and he seemed to be the first they saw.
I didn't see enough of it as I only caught highlights which are increasingly short to fit in hot air about things like blankets and sligo managers which are not what I want to be listening to :-[
Donegal were the better team, no doubt about that. The tyrone defence was very innocent marking one on one.The days of that working in gaelic football is now gone. Peter Harte slowed the already slow build up when tyrone were trying to attack. He seems to need three or four solos every time. Good player but I just dont think he has it for that level.Plenty of others didnt show up either to be fair. I dont think the level of footballers are in Tyrone at the minute to compete for the major honours at the minute. And before anyone mentions the league I feel that it is so far off championship pace that it should not even be compared!
Can't understand putting cavanagh in FF but not one high long ball in to test the full back?
Congrats Donegal. Jimmy sure has ye at a level that few team will get close to.
For a first round match, where they hadn't played competitively for nearly 2 months, they sure reached a high standard of intensity & skill.
Of course the most natural thing to do is to focus on where Tyrone fell down and getting the ball into scoring areas would seem to be one of the main issues. Mickey must be very disappointed at losing 3 in a row and whilst a lot of players didn't play well and must take a lot of the blame, Mickey's tactics certainly didn't bring out the best in our go to players like Sean & Stevie. Donegal's FF line did much much better and seem more up the the battle with their man than Tyrone were.
I for one was expecting Mickey to have something new up his sleeve but to me its the same old plan of running with the ball into trouble and not having any alternative way of finding the FF line.
McBrearty was excellent as I was worried he would be. The biting smokescreen worked a treat.
Its a long season and Donegal will no doubt come up against different obstacles but the sheer determined effort they seem to put up and their single mindness shows they STILL believe in their manager and their system and I for one have changed my mind about them winning two in a row.
I don't think Tyrone were naive in defence marking one on one as they had their blanker defence set up for large parts of the game. Pat Spillane called it kind of right when he said long balls unlock the blanket defence but he was only half right. Obviously if the blanket defence is set up and you hoof a long ball in then it's not going to work.
The key is turning the ball over and then getting it up the pitch as soon as possible before the opposing team has time to set their defence. Donegals 2 goals came directly because Tyrone didn't have time to organise themselves and Donegal made sure they took full advantage of those opportunities. The thing that impressed me most about Donegal was how economical they were with their chances and they didn't kick any balls short!
Mickey Harte must be bamboozled at this stage and sick of the sight of Donegal. He has been a brilliant manager but has been outfoxed by McGuinness now 3 years in a row. Donegal adhere to the game plan religiously and set up their defensive system with such conviction that no-one else can match them at what they do. I think they could be even better this year and I really can't see anyone stopping them if they can maintain the hunger for another 4 months.
There are probably about 10 teams in Ireland who if McGuinness was managing, I would say he would be capable of having them win an AI title, such is his influence. What he has achieved with Donegal considering where they were when he took over is remarkable.
Quote from: screenexile on May 27, 2013, 11:36:38 AM
The thing that impressed me most about Donegal was how economical they were with their chances and they didn't kick any balls short!
I suppose that is indeed a crucial fact of the game. Its scores and often goals that win matches and we kicked 12 wides I believe whilst they kicked 2.
You would nearly wonder did McGuinness tell his men to give away fouls 50/60 yards out to tease Morgan to try them and get his confidence dented early on, or am I just paranoid now about Jimmy's powers.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2013, 11:45:23 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 27, 2013, 11:36:38 AM
The thing that impressed me most about Donegal was how economical they were with their chances and they didn't kick any balls short!
I suppose that is indeed a crucial fact of the game. Its scores and often goals that win matches and we kicked 12 wides I believe whilst they kicked 2.
You would nearly wonder did McGuinness tell his men to give away fouls 50/60 yards out to tease Morgan to try them and get his confidence dented early on, or am I just paranoid now about Jimmy's powers.
It wouldn't surprise me. I felt bad for Morgan as some of those frees he was kicking were nigh on impossible. No other team would have been getting their free taker to hit them so why did Tyrone?!
Now is when we will find out a lot about this Tyrone team (management included). Can they learn lessons for yesterday?
We were hoping that they learnt for the last two defeats from Donegal. However this game was set up nicely for Donegal.
There were some signs early in the game that Tyrone had improved but from the second goal on, it was poor.
The long range frees were very predictable from Tyrone. Donegal could have had their 15 players standing 10 yards from the ball and the outcome would have been the same, they only needed three.
With frees 45m out there is space to work it short even with Morgan coming out to hit them.
It was one of the things the ref missed. Why did he always go into the square for these long free kicks, and not catch the infringements around where frees were being taken from.
Ball out of hand they would have been moved closer. Most of Morgan's frees should have been moved closer for infringements.
Donegal were the cuter, more disciplined and better team.
Tyrone played stupid football late on and let Donegal bully them throughout, this also meant Tyrone lost their discipline which all played in Donegal's hands.
There is plenty to be hopefully about from Tyrone's play but still a lot to do.
Far too much of an emphasis was put on Morgan's free kicks before the game anyway. The 4 free kicks he missed were probably at best 50/50 and if it had been an outfield player hitting them then there were would have been less of a fuss/circus currounding these missed chances. Tyrone may have had a lot of wides but very few were 'gimmes' that could be put down as bad misses. Donegal's wall becomes more concentrated in the scoring zone and quite often (especially in the closing stages of matches) it is hard enough for the opposition to get a free shot on goal never mind a score from play.
Can somebody explain how Eamonn McGee was shortlisted for MOM on the Sunday game. The man is a one man fouling machine and when he does get pulled for it, mouth's off like there is no tomorrow! He has to be one of the most cynical players to ever play the game at this stage.
Quote from: ballinaman on May 27, 2013, 11:59:02 AM
Can somebody explain how Eamonn McGee was shortlisted for MOM on the Sunday game. The man is a one man fouling machine and when he does get pulled for it, mouth's off like there is no tomorrow! He has to be one of the most cynical players to ever play the game at this stage.
The two Magee's for me are probably prime examples of players that have bought into and fitted perfectly into McGuinness' system. Individually I think they are average enough defenders but they are protected by the way Donegal set up. Prior to McGuinness arrival I can remember them being exposed in several matches but its a perfect example what an organised mass defence can do to make a defender look a much better player.
I do think the two of them executed their jobs in the exact way they were required yesterday though. They nullified the threat of Cavanagh and O'Neill, job done.
Very disappointing from Tyrone to allow a guy with a hairstyle like Ross Wherity score a big goal against them.
I know his hair was completely shocking and therefore it would be very hard to take a boy like that seriously when he eneterd the fray. I presumed when he came on, and with hair like that, that he would be no threat so the whoever was supposed to be marking him for the goal probably assumed the same as me and therefore let him carry on. Major sucker punch to get hit for a goal at that time of the game. I couldnt believe he scored. He hasnt good enough hair to score a goal in the Ulster championship.
He scored because his man Gormley went on walkabout.
Ryan McMenamin: We'll still be in Croke Park for the business end
Goals win games at this level and that proved to be the case at Ballybofey, although I felt that both scores were preventable. It was just the same as the past two years against Donegal in that we didn't get the scores when we were on top and we were made pay.
I thought in the first half that Donegal were there to be got at.
Their first goal came against the run of play as a lack of focus cost us. It was just a long ball in from Michael Murphy and it caught the Tyrone defence out, there was no communication, although in fairness to McFadden, he finished it well.
As soon as the high ball came in McFadden gambled that McBrearty was going to get a flick on it. Maybe Cathal (McCarron) was caught watching the ball instead of the man. It was a move that Stephen McDonnell and Ronan Clarke used in their heyday with Armagh.
I felt, though, that we should have been two or three points ahead at that stage. We were the better side in the first half, but when we were on top, we missed chances with Niall Morgan off target from a couple of frees and that seemed to drain the confidence from them.
The second goal was of the soft variety. While McBrearty showed good strength along the end line, he shouldn't really have been allowed to cut the ball back. Having said that, you have to give Ross Wherity a lot of credit as he ran 50 yards unchallenged to get on the end of it. But, again, that was perhaps due to a lack of focus on behalf of the Tyrone defence as they didn't pick him up.
After the first five minutes of the second half, at times we just didn't show up and the fact that we managed just one point after that tells its own tale. We just couldn't get players like Mattie Donnelly, who had a great first half, on the ball enough after the break. Stevie coming out to centre half-forward helped us gain more possession, but by doing that we were taking away the scoring threat inside.
Donegal are the top team in Ulster at the minute and it's hard to see them not winning three-in-a- row. They went out today and started without Karl Lacey and Mark McHugh and lost Frank McGlynn through injury in the first half. But it didn't faze them one bit and that has a lot to do with the confidence that Jim McGuinness has instilled. They will take a lot of heart from the fact that they had those two key players on the bench to come on and they have answered questions about the depth of their squad.
People were asking questions about how far McGuinness can take them this year, because of his involvement with Celtic, but he has shown everyone that they are still the side to beat, not just in Ulster but in the entire country
This defeat will hurt Tyrone, there is no doubt about that. They prepared as well as they could for today, but can have no complaints about the final outcome. The boys just have to keep the heads down and work even harder and go away and play club football for a couple of weeks.
It happened us before that we have had to take the back door and while it's not the preferred route, I still believe that Tyrone are in the top four and no side will want to draw them in the qualifiers. I also believe that they will still be in Croke Park come the business end of the championship.
Are Tyrone better than Kerry? I don't think they are quite top 4 material yet.
Quote from: seafoid on May 27, 2013, 03:46:30 PM
Are Tyrone better than Kerry? I don't think they are quite top 4 material yet.
Remember Killarney 2012 ? We got some lesson then.
We've improved but not sure by how much.
Kerry are a good side but they've big miles on the clock. Tyrone ahead of them in the rebuilding process I think.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 27, 2013, 02:05:38 PM
Very disappointing from Tyrone to allow a guy with a hairstyle like Ross Wherity score a big goal against them.
I know his hair was completely shocking and therefore it would be very hard to take a boy like that seriously when he eneterd the fray. I presumed when he came on, and with hair like that, that he would be no threat so the whoever was supposed to be marking him for the goal probably assumed the same as me and therefore let him carry on. Major sucker punch to get hit for a goal at that time of the game. I couldnt believe he scored. He hasnt good enough hair to score a goal in the Ulster championship.
Hilarious stuff, take a bow.
Did anyone notice yesterday the new Donegal tactic of when a foul was given, how they would hold onto a player's leg or foot and not let go. It's very effective as it looks kinda harmless and not overly aggressive but it sure frustrates the hell out of the player just fouled and so like Joey did he tries to wriggle free and can't so he then reacts with a kick out or stamp on the fouling player.
Is it another one of Jimmy's clever ideas to turn the aggressor into the victim and hope to get the opponent a yellow or red card? I was shocked the Irish News stated that Joey should have got a straight red but no mention of his leg being held for ages.
Don't worry I'm not saying we didn't do things as well that were far from sporting but I was just surprised there wasn't more mention of this on here on in the papers.
Jimmy has got his team playing a very hard to attack against game of football and the Dubs that I know are really worried now how their new young team will cope with them.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2013, 04:00:21 PM
Did anyone notice yesterday the new Donegal tactic of when a foul was given, how they would hold onto a player's leg or foot and not let go. It's very effective as it looks kinda harmless and not overly aggressive but it sure frustrates the hell out of the player just fouled and so like Joey did he tries to wriggle free and can't so he then reacts with a kick out or stamp on the fouling player.
Is it another one of Jimmy's clever ideas to turn the aggressor into the victim and hope to get the opponent a yellow or red card? I was shocked the Irish News stated that Joey should have got a straight red but no mention of his leg being held for ages.
Don't worry I'm not saying we didn't do things as well that were far from sporting but I was just surprised there wasn't more mention of this on here on in the papers.
Jimmy has got his team playing a very hard to attack against game of football and the Dubs that I know are really worried now how their new young team will cope with them.
Again it wouldn't surprise me. . . holding a players leg is a yellow card at most, kicking your foot back is a red!!! McMahon could easily have gone and Wherrity only a yellow and it would have been totally justified.
In the end Joe was booked and Wherrity nothing. I think Wherrity should definitely have gotten a yellow.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2013, 04:00:21 PM
Did anyone notice yesterday the new Donegal tactic of when a foul was given, how they would hold onto a player's leg or foot and not let go. It's very effective as it looks kinda harmless and not overly aggressive but it sure frustrates the hell out of the player just fouled and so like Joey did he tries to wriggle free and can't so he then reacts with a kick out or stamp on the fouling player.
Is it another one of Jimmy's clever ideas to turn the aggressor into the victim and hope to get the opponent a yellow or red card? I was shocked the Irish News stated that Joey should have got a straight red but no mention of his leg being held for ages.
Don't worry I'm not saying we didn't do things as well that were far from sporting but I was just surprised there wasn't more mention of this on here on in the papers.
Jimmy has got his team playing a very hard to attack against game of football and the Dubs that I know are really worried now how their new young team will cope with them.
Come off it now. His leg wasn't held for 'ages'. It was sheer petulance from Mc Mahon. You Tyrone men have a very short and selective memory. Some of the trampish behaviour of your players over the years left plenty to be desired. Stop making out that Donegal invented it!! All good teams (including yours of 03-08) push the boundaries in order to win.
Problem is with these tactics, to over come them you need a strong referee or fight fire with fire. Yesterday the ref ignored them and Tyrone no longer have that cynical edge and let Donegal away with it.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2013, 04:00:21 PM
Did anyone notice yesterday the new Donegal tactic of when a foul was given, how they would hold onto a player's leg or foot and not let go. It's very effective as it looks kinda harmless and not overly aggressive but it sure frustrates the hell out of the player just fouled and so like Joey did he tries to wriggle free and can't so he then reacts with a kick out or stamp on the fouling player.
Is it another one of Jimmy's clever ideas to turn the aggressor into the victim and hope to get the opponent a yellow or red card? I was shocked the Irish News stated that Joey should have got a straight red but no mention of his leg being held for ages.
Don't worry I'm not saying we didn't do things as well that were far from sporting but I was just surprised there wasn't more mention of this on here on in the papers.
Jimmy has got his team playing a very hard to attack against game of football and the Dubs that I know are really worried now how their new young team will cope with them.
I thought it should have been a straight red. Yes the donegal player was holding his leg, but ASFAIK that's not a booking or a red card. You simply cant retaliate. If you kick, and in my book it was a kick, then you have to go.
When he got the 2nd yellow for tripping Murphy, he had to go. Mind you, Murphy made some meal of it. You would have swore he was shot.
But I know what you mean about the holding on tactic. It's incredibly frustrating as a player and you could see that it finally broke the discipline of the tyrone players. But if you look back to how tyrone have played in the past, in particular players like Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, McGuigan, Mulligan...jeez I could go on a while.....they were good at doing this themselves. So I dont think you can do it on the one hand and complain about it being done to you on the other.
I have to admit I was conflicted for this match. I'd have liked to have seen a Derry v Tyrone semi final. But it's always good to see the tirronies bate. So I found myself not knowing who to go for.
I dont think Tyrone are as good as some people are making out. The defence in particular is suspect and lacks pace. Not a bad side, but IMO certainly not AI contenders. At the moment I would put Donegal, Cork, Dublin, Mayo and Kerry all well ahead of them. Kildare probably slightly ahead of them. After that I reckon there's another 4-5 teams on a par.
QuoteVery disappointing from Tyrone to allow a guy with a hairstyle like Ross Wherity score a big goal against them.
Another genius physiological maneuver by Jimmy, making a lad like that have mad hair as a distraction. He did the same thing himself as a player.
Another great move by Jimmy was making it rain in the middle of the 2nd half when Tyrone were hitting a purple patch. As for the crosswind Jimmy created, no words to describe the man anymore.
Yes that's what I said TBrick that we've done our fair share so what goes around comes around so its not sour grapes. Ye were much the better team, especially in that second half.
All I'm asking is did many of ye notice this and to me it wasn't just that once. There seemed to be other times it happened by different players so that's why I was asking did you think it came from Jimmy. Of course we'll never know for sure but it would be a good one to try to frustrate and probably wouldn't get punished too often.
highorlow, of course it could be rubbish but I just think Jimmy is such a great thinker about the game that it wouldn't surprise me if he came up with it as I think it happened more than once during the game.
in fairness they tested Tyrone's discipline and a few cracked.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2013, 04:00:21 PM
Did anyone notice yesterday the new Donegal tactic of when a foul was given, how they would hold onto a player's leg or foot and not let go. It's very effective as it looks kinda harmless and not overly aggressive but it sure frustrates the hell out of the player just fouled and so like Joey did he tries to wriggle free and can't so he then reacts with a kick out or stamp on the fouling player.
Is it another one of Jimmy's clever ideas to turn the aggressor into the victim and hope to get the opponent a yellow or red card? I was shocked the Irish News stated that Joey should have got a straight red but no mention of his leg being held for ages.
Don't worry I'm not saying we didn't do things as well that were far from sporting but I was just surprised there wasn't more mention of this on here on in the papers.
Jimmy has got his team playing a very hard to attack against game of football and the Dubs that I know are really worried now how their new young team will cope with them.
Yes, there were several instances of 'leg pulling' during yesterday's match. The best teams do whatever it takes to win and Tyrone had their fair share of these type of players in the last decade, less so now. McMahon could easily have walked and could have had no complaints. It was pure frustration and played right into Donegal's hands. Tyrone ran out of ideas.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2013, 04:00:21 PM
Did anyone notice yesterday the new Donegal tactic of when a foul was given, how they would hold onto a player's leg or foot and not let go. It's very effective as it looks kinda harmless and not overly aggressive but it sure frustrates the hell out of the player just fouled and so like Joey did he tries to wriggle free and can't so he then reacts with a kick out or stamp on the fouling player.
Is it another one of Jimmy's clever ideas to turn the aggressor into the victim and hope to get the opponent a yellow or red card? I was shocked the Irish News stated that Joey should have got a straight red but no mention of his leg being held for ages.
I've been talking about this to a few people this morning as it drove me mad watching the game.
The only way to break down a mass defence is to move the ball quickly, and Donegal made sure there were no options for moving the ball quickly. Plain and simple, it is cheating. Plus it winds opponents up no end, so it's cheating AND it's aggravation.
I don't think there's a referee in the land who can watch all this happening around and off the ball, so I've a simple suggestion: empower the linesmen to call over the referee and recommend a yellow card. No faffing around, no enquiries, no checking if the man has been previously booked. Simply "no.7 green deliberately prevented his opponent from joining the play, I recommend a yellow card", and this blight will be gone in 2 games. If steps aren't taken, every team in Ireland will be at it in a month.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 27, 2013, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2013, 04:00:21 PM
Did anyone notice yesterday the new Donegal tactic of when a foul was given, how they would hold onto a player's leg or foot and not let go. It's very effective as it looks kinda harmless and not overly aggressive but it sure frustrates the hell out of the player just fouled and so like Joey did he tries to wriggle free and can't so he then reacts with a kick out or stamp on the fouling player.
Is it another one of Jimmy's clever ideas to turn the aggressor into the victim and hope to get the opponent a yellow or red card? I was shocked the Irish News stated that Joey should have got a straight red but no mention of his leg being held for ages.
I've been talking about this to a few people this morning as it drove me mad watching the game.
The only way to break down a mass defence is to move the ball quickly, and Donegal made sure there were no options for moving the ball quickly. Plain and simple, it is cheating. Plus it winds opponents up no end, so it's cheating AND it's aggravation.
I don't think there's a referee in the land who can watch all this happening around and off the ball, so I've a simple suggestion: empower the linesmen to call over the referee and recommend a yellow card. No faffing around, no enquiries, no checking if the man has been previously booked. Simply "no.7 green deliberately prevented his opponent from joining the play, I recommend a yellow card", and this blight will be gone in 2 games. If steps aren't taken, every team in Ireland will be at it in a month.
Ref my post on Kilkenny hurlers, enough to impede and curtail momentum, but not enough for the referee to blow for a free or dish out the cards.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 27, 2013, 04:23:46 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2013, 04:00:21 PM
Did anyone notice yesterday the new Donegal tactic of when a foul was given, how they would hold onto a player's leg or foot and not let go. It's very effective as it looks kinda harmless and not overly aggressive but it sure frustrates the hell out of the player just fouled and so like Joey did he tries to wriggle free and can't so he then reacts with a kick out or stamp on the fouling player.
Is it another one of Jimmy's clever ideas to turn the aggressor into the victim and hope to get the opponent a yellow or red card? I was shocked the Irish News stated that Joey should have got a straight red but no mention of his leg being held for ages.
Don't worry I'm not saying we didn't do things as well that were far from sporting but I was just surprised there wasn't more mention of this on here on in the papers.
Jimmy has got his team playing a very hard to attack against game of football and the Dubs that I know are really worried now how their new young team will cope with them.
I thought it should have been a straight red. Yes the donegal player was holding his leg, but ASFAIK that's not a booking or a red card. You simply cant retaliate. If you kick, and in my book it was a kick, then you have to go.
When he got the 2nd yellow for tripping Murphy, he had to go. Mind you, Murphy made some meal of it. You would have swore he was shot.
But I know what you mean about the holding on tactic. It's incredibly frustrating as a player and you could see that it finally broke the discipline of the tyrone players. But if you look back to how tyrone have played in the past, in particular players like Canavan, Dooher, Jordan, McGuigan, Mulligan...jeez I could go on a while.....they were good at doing this themselves. So I dont think you can do it on the one hand and complain about it being done to you on the other.
I have to admit I was conflicted for this match. I'd have liked to have seen a Derry v Tyrone semi final. But it's always good to see the tirronies bate. So I found myself not knowing who to go for.
I dont think Tyrone are as good as some people are making out. The defence in particular is suspect and lacks pace. Not a bad side, but IMO certainly not AI contenders. At the moment I would put Donegal, Cork, Dublin, Mayo and Kerry all well ahead of them. Kildare probably slightly ahead of them. After that I reckon there's another 4-5 teams on a par.
Of course it's a booking, it's a deliberate trip and Wherity, McFadden and Murphy should all have been booked for it. Donegal have mastered the art of the half foul to disrupt the opposition but fair play to them they have a system in place and a superb full forward line which may well bring them to another AI final. No complaints from Tyrone but I hope Mickey uses the back door to get Coney, O'Neill (Ronan) and McCurry some game time. We also need to shore up the full back line - but that may be easier said than done!
Quote from: johnneycool on May 27, 2013, 04:33:57 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 27, 2013, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2013, 04:00:21 PM
Did anyone notice yesterday the new Donegal tactic of when a foul was given, how they would hold onto a player's leg or foot and not let go. It's very effective as it looks kinda harmless and not overly aggressive but it sure frustrates the hell out of the player just fouled and so like Joey did he tries to wriggle free and can't so he then reacts with a kick out or stamp on the fouling player.
Is it another one of Jimmy's clever ideas to turn the aggressor into the victim and hope to get the opponent a yellow or red card? I was shocked the Irish News stated that Joey should have got a straight red but no mention of his leg being held for ages.
I've been talking about this to a few people this morning as it drove me mad watching the game.
The only way to break down a mass defence is to move the ball quickly, and Donegal made sure there were no options for moving the ball quickly. Plain and simple, it is cheating. Plus it winds opponents up no end, so it's cheating AND it's aggravation.
I don't think there's a referee in the land who can watch all this happening around and off the ball, so I've a simple suggestion: empower the linesmen to call over the referee and recommend a yellow card. No faffing around, no enquiries, no checking if the man has been previously booked. Simply "no.7 green deliberately prevented his opponent from joining the play, I recommend a yellow card", and this blight will be gone in 2 games. If steps aren't taken, every team in Ireland will be at it in a month.
Ref my post on Kilkenny hurlers, enough to impede and curtail momentum, but not enough for the referee to blow for a free or dish out the cards.
It's so frustrating. But as i said I don't blame the referees so much. Donegal on Sunday made sure that it wasn't the free-taker who was impeded, but the players around him. The referee by nature is looking at the free-taker and the direction the free-taker is looking towards, in an attempt to ensure the attacking team has an advantage. Ironically.
There was an interesting point made today by John Bannon in the Irish Examiner about the build up to the first Donegal goal.
The referee gave a free for a foul by Conor Clarke before the free for the foul on Mark McHugh had been taken. According to Bannon you can only award a free when the ball is in play. So as such the free against Clarke shouldn't have been awarded and the ball shouldn't have been moved forward.
I wondered about that at the time but I know better to bring it up here after a defeat.
I wondered though did he just bring it forward (a lot) or did he award another free?
So is Bannon suggesting a re-match. I don't know would I want to go through all that again to be honest.
Here's why I think Donegal won't be beaten this year. Back in 2003 we had maybe 3 or 4 lads around one player.
(http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.1406997.1369645545!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_600/image.jpg)
Hi guys,
Tactical take on Donegal's win over Tyrone now up http://action81.com/blog/?p=7277
Emmet
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2013, 05:16:09 PM
I wondered about that at the time but I know better to bring it up here after a defeat.
I wondered though did he just bring it forward (a lot) or did he award another free?
So is Bannon suggesting a re-match. I don't know would I want to go through all that again to be honest.
Here's why I think Donegal won't be beaten this year. Back in 2003 we had maybe 3 or 4 lads around one player.
(http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.1406997.1369645545!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_600/image.jpg)
That's what happens when you run straight into 2/3 of them and stop.
Then the cavalry arrives.
The lesson here is don't run into them.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 27, 2013, 08:21:27 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2013, 05:16:09 PM
I wondered about that at the time but I know better to bring it up here after a defeat.
I wondered though did he just bring it forward (a lot) or did he award another free?
So is Bannon suggesting a re-match. I don't know would I want to go through all that again to be honest.
Here's why I think Donegal won't be beaten this year. Back in 2003 we had maybe 3 or 4 lads around one player.
(http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.1406997.1369645545!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_600/image.jpg)
That's what happens when you run straight into 2/3 of them and stop.
Then the cavalry arrives.
The lesson here is don't run into them.
I think that is why it says Donegal creamery on the jerseys
So why are Donegal so much fitter and better conditioned than other teams? What are they doing hat other teams aren't ?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2013, 05:16:09 PM
I wondered about that at the time but I know better to bring it up here after a defeat.
I wondered though did he just bring it forward (a lot) or did he award another free?
So is Bannon suggesting a re-match. I don't know would I want to go through all that again to be honest.
Here's why I think Donegal won't be beaten this year. Back in 2003 we had maybe 3 or 4 lads around one player.
(http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.1406997.1369645545!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_600/image.jpg)
(http://theghostgoal.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/maradona3.jpg)
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 27, 2013, 09:40:32 PM
So why are Donegal so much fitter and better conditioned than other teams? What are they doing hat other teams aren't ?
They aren't fitter. It's an optical illusion.
They do all their defending in their own half, and attack only in small numbers. Both methods conserve energy.
Cam see this thread being dragged out like after Kerry hammered Tyrone last year. Well done Donegal.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 27, 2013, 10:09:03 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 27, 2013, 09:40:32 PM
So why are Donegal so much fitter and better conditioned than other teams? What are they doing hat other teams aren't ?
They aren't fitter. It's an optical illusion.
They do all their defending in their own half, and attack only in small numbers. Both methods conserve energy.
They are fitter.
They have themselves very very well conditioned would be one reason. They will hit hard and hit regularly. The other teams not being as well conditioned means they wear down a lot quicker. The size of some of them has to be seen to be believed.
There are very few men would have been seen over the years covering the ground the likes of Lacey, McHugh, Thompson, McGlynn and those boys cover. They didn't cover that much ground before McGuinness's regime. Why not? Because they weren't as fit.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 27, 2013, 10:22:30 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 27, 2013, 10:09:03 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 27, 2013, 09:40:32 PM
So why are Donegal so much fitter and better conditioned than other teams? What are they doing hat other teams aren't ?
They aren't fitter. It's an optical illusion.
They do all their defending in their own half, and attack only in small numbers. Both methods conserve energy.
They are fitter.
They have themselves very very well conditioned would be one reason. They will hit hard and hit regularly. The other teams not being as well conditioned means they wear down a lot quicker. The size of some of them has to be seen to be believed.
There are very few men would have been seen over the years covering the ground the likes of Lacey, McHugh, Thompson, McGlynn and those boys cover. They didn't cover that much ground before McGuinness's regime. Why not? Because they weren't as fit.
personally in dublin physical size wont be a problem against donegal
Wouldn't agree Donegal are fitter than other top county teams. They all have lads looking after these things that know what they are doing so I'd be surprised if there was any real difference.
Quote from: Zulu on May 27, 2013, 10:28:19 PM
Wouldn't agree Donegal are fitter than other top county teams. They all have lads looking after these things that know what they are doing so I'd be surprised if there was any real difference.
Donegal aren't fitter as such but they are very clever in the way they defend which is done in relays by different players & they also go on all out attack in bursts of 10 or 15 minutes. Playing like this conserves energy & allows for a 70 minute performance
Quote from: INDIANA on May 27, 2013, 10:26:50 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 27, 2013, 10:22:30 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 27, 2013, 10:09:03 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 27, 2013, 09:40:32 PM
So why are Donegal so much fitter and better conditioned than other teams? What are they doing hat other teams aren't ?
They aren't fitter. It's an optical illusion.
They do all their defending in their own half, and attack only in small numbers. Both methods conserve energy.
They are fitter.
They have themselves very very well conditioned would be one reason. They will hit hard and hit regularly. The other teams not being as well conditioned means they wear down a lot quicker. The size of some of them has to be seen to be believed.
There are very few men would have been seen over the years covering the ground the likes of Lacey, McHugh, Thompson, McGlynn and those boys cover. They didn't cover that much ground before McGuinness's regime. Why not? Because they weren't as fit.
personally in dublin physical size wont be a problem against donegal
If Dublin beat Donegal I don't think it will be by being more physical.
The correlation between Donegal and Dublin of late has been that they have had multiple guys who can rack up big scores. Dublin had Bernard and Alan Brogan in addition to Connolly (not all of the time but a good bit). Donegal have McFadden and Murphy and now McBrearty. The likes of your Kildares and Tyrones just don't have that many "free" scoring forwards.
The team that wins is always fitter.
GAA Fact #324.
Cork has still the biggest team in the country, then probably Mayo, its numbers around you from donegal which is wearing teams down not the size factor.
on another note, with all the young donegal boys with their hands out through the wire as the teams came out for the 2nd half it was nice to see Eamon McGee, tap one of the lads hands as he came up the steps, nice gesture, with them lads probably idolizing them! you dont see enough of that!
Forgot to SKY + yesterday. Is the game available anywhere? Download etc?
Ta
normally would rerun highlights on rte /tnag during the week
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2013, 05:16:09 PM
I wondered about that at the time but I know better to bring it up here after a defeat.
I wondered though did he just bring it forward (a lot) or did he award another free?
So is Bannon suggesting a re-match. I don't know would I want to go through all that again to be honest.
Here's why I think Donegal won't be beaten this year. Back in 2003 we had maybe 3 or 4 lads around one player.
(http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.1406997.1369645545!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_600/image.jpg)
Was just watching it again on TG4 2ngt, serious amount of men back. But you know what? cavanagh got the ball away and tyrone scored a point from it
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 27, 2013, 10:58:07 PM
Cork has still the biggest team in the country, then probably Mayo, its numbers around you from donegal which is wearing teams down not the size factor.
What tanks have mayo got? aiden o shea surely, plus a couple of lanky lads like barry moran. Remember reading the all-ireland final previews last year and Donal vaughan is counted a physical man in mayo and he looks like a wippet with a pair of guns
Still think mayo could be back in the final though, decent side
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 27, 2013, 02:05:38 PM
Very disappointing from Tyrone to allow a guy with a hairstyle like Ross Wherity score a big goal against them.
I know his hair was completely shocking and therefore it would be very hard to take a boy like that seriously when he eneterd the fray. I presumed when he came on, and with hair like that, that he would be no threat so the whoever was supposed to be marking him for the goal probably assumed the same as me and therefore let him carry on. Major sucker punch to get hit for a goal at that time of the game. I couldnt believe he scored. He hasnt good enough hair to score a goal in the Ulster championship.
Brilliant analysis and completely spot on.
I was thinking he was some country gent who'd wandered on after one too many at a tea party.
Quote from: Orchardman on May 27, 2013, 11:20:05 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2013, 05:16:09 PM
I wondered about that at the time but I know better to bring it up here after a defeat.
I wondered though did he just bring it forward (a lot) or did he award another free?
So is Bannon suggesting a re-match. I don't know would I want to go through all that again to be honest.
Here's why I think Donegal won't be beaten this year. Back in 2003 we had maybe 3 or 4 lads around one player.
(http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.1406997.1369645545!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_600/image.jpg)
the fella on the left looks like a scrum half waiting for the ball to emerge from the ruck
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2013, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Orchardman on May 27, 2013, 11:20:05 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2013, 05:16:09 PM
I wondered about that at the time but I know better to bring it up here after a defeat.
I wondered though did he just bring it forward (a lot) or did he award another free?
So is Bannon suggesting a re-match. I don't know would I want to go through all that again to be honest.
Here's why I think Donegal won't be beaten this year. Back in 2003 we had maybe 3 or 4 lads around one player.
(http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.1406997.1369645545!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_600/image.jpg)
the fella on the left looks like a scrum half waiting for the ball to emerge from the ruck
I think if you look back at the game as a whole you will see as many Tyrone men getting back behind the ball, problem was whenever they got the ball they couldn't break fast enough. Far too many lateral passes which allowed the defence to get set up and smothered the inside forwards.
Quote from: Orchardman on May 27, 2013, 11:20:05 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2013, 05:16:09 PM
I wondered about that at the time but I know better to bring it up here after a defeat.
I wondered though did he just bring it forward (a lot) or did he award another free?
So is Bannon suggesting a re-match. I don't know would I want to go through all that again to be honest.
Here's why I think Donegal won't be beaten this year. Back in 2003 we had maybe 3 or 4 lads around one player.
(http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.1406997.1369645545!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_600/image.jpg)
Was just watching it again on TG4 2ngt, serious amount of men back. But you know what? cavanagh got the ball away and tyrone scored a point from it
They scored a point but the way they set up is to prevent goals going in.
To score a goal or 2 against Donegal would see Donegal having to set up differently.
I disagree Nag. Especially in the second half which I watched again last night and often you'd see Tyrone having one on one with no sign of extra defenders, especially if they had been pushing forward and Donegal turned it over whereas often you'd say 2 Donegal men for every Tyrone man in the other final third of the pitch.
To me the main difference between the two teams is that Donegal's full forward line are able to fight and win their own ball under huge pressure whereas Tyrone were not. Therefore more often that not we didn't even try to kick in high ball but instead ran down the wings and shot from difficult positions.
All of Donegal's FF line are dangerous and can kick goals and points and are a constant threat. I actually thought Murphy was quiet by his usual standards but Jimmy has made his brother in law McFadden into a hugely under-rated forward. He's learned to keep his head no matter what and fight for every ball. Even in the 70's minute on Sunday he was still battling and pulling someone's leg after a foul.
It nearly always seems to be the 1st 15/20 mins of a match that Donegal put the foot on the gas and pull away from teams. Then they can spend the last 20/15 mins defending that lead.
I know it seems obvious, but considering that Tyone and MH invented the blanket defence in 2003, why not revert to that model? It worked well before. Also, when playing Donegal and knowing how they will shape up and try and structure their team, why are Tyrones half forwards not pulled deep to around the middle of the park which would in turn congest midfield and lead to a lot of fighting in that sector but also leave a lot of space for the full forward line to operate in without the 3 half backs in their vicinity. I know it seems obvious but it doesn;t seem to have been attempted, probably due to the fact that the Donegal defenders might not move with their men and simply hold their position.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2013, 10:39:59 AM
To me the main difference between the two teams is that Donegal's full forward line are able to fight and win their own ball under huge pressure whereas Tyrone were not.
Thats was very evident during the match. What scares me is that I dont feel there is a place anymore for smaller skillful players like Ronan O'Neill & Darren McCurry.
I do rate Mickey Harte as a manager but was just wondering what peoples views are on the following. Would any other manager still be in place after the results in the last five years?
Morgan's free kicks were even worse than we thought as this video shows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4r2YQabuAoo
Quote from: parttimeexile on May 28, 2013, 10:48:25 AM
I do rate Mickey Harte as a manager but was just wondering what peoples views are on the following. Would any other manager still be in place after the results in the last five years?
I was thinking the same
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2013, 10:39:59 AM
I disagree Nag. Especially in the second half which I watched again last night and often you'd see Tyrone having one on one with no sign of extra defenders, especially if they had been pushing forward and Donegal turned it over whereas often you'd say 2 Donegal men for every Tyrone man in the other final third of the pitch.
To me the main difference between the two teams is that Donegal's full forward line are able to fight and win their own ball under huge pressure whereas Tyrone were not. Therefore more often that not we didn't even try to kick in high ball but instead ran down the wings and shot from difficult positions.
All of Donegal's FF line are dangerous and can kick goals and points and are a constant threat. I actually thought Murphy was quiet by his usual standards but Jimmy has made his brother in law McFadden into a hugely under-rated forward. He's learned to keep his head no matter what and fight for every ball. Even in the 70's minute on Sunday he was still battling and pulling someone's leg after a foul.
It nearly always seems to be the 1st 15/20 mins of a match that Donegal put the foot on the gas and pull away from teams. Then they can spend the last 20/15 mins defending that lead.
That only occurred whenever SC moved to the edge of the square, the ball was kicked in long and probably caught the Donegal defence out for a couple of times as they were expecting to defend the running game. Essentially it didn't matter because McGee is so strong below the ball he dealt with most of comfortably enough.
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2013, 10:58:22 AM
Quote from: parttimeexile on May 28, 2013, 10:48:25 AM
I do rate Mickey Harte as a manager but was just wondering what peoples views are on the following. Would any other manager still be in place after the results in the last five years?
I was thinking the same
Possibly not, but we are not blessed with options to replace him.
Quote from: LeoMc on May 28, 2013, 11:03:33 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2013, 10:58:22 AM
Quote from: parttimeexile on May 28, 2013, 10:48:25 AM
I do rate Mickey Harte as a manager but was just wondering what peoples views are on the following. Would any other manager still be in place after the results in the last five years?
I was thinking the same
Possibly not, but we are not blessed with options to replace him.
I would have thought that Peter Canavan would be the natural choice
Quote from: parttimeexile on May 28, 2013, 10:48:25 AM
I do rate Mickey Harte as a manager but was just wondering what peoples views are on the following. Would any other manager still be in place after the results in the last five years?
It's Mickey's job until he decides he doesn't want it anymore.
Simple as that.
He has made mistakes like most managers do but until recently we've been in decline.
I think he's built a reasonable new squad now that could have won a league title had Stephen O'Neill be playing and I think we've still got a good chance to get to the quarters or even semis depending on who we meet. I can't see any new manager making any difference with the players we have.
Playing Donegal, in their own back yard, with a vociferous crowd behind them, with a lot of people questioning their hunger, with a highly motivated and intelligent manager behind them, with them defending all-Ireland champions and having already beaten us twice in the last two years, then it was always gonna be a big ask. They knew if they could match our hunger then they had all the other qualities in abundance and on top of that they now have another lightening fast forward who could punish any mistakes we made.
I expect Donegal to maybe relax a little now in matches and just do enough to get by up until August. Of course they could get caught but they know they can always just tighten the screw if needs be.
As Harte said after the match, they've actually improved a lot since last year and Jimmy's slightly arrogant statement last year that he feels they've still got a good percentage still to give. I really do believe nobody will touch them in Ulster for the next 2 or 3 years and they will certainly be a big challenge for Dublin, Cork & Kerry too.
Quote from: God14 on May 28, 2013, 10:45:54 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2013, 10:39:59 AM
To me the main difference between the two teams is that Donegal's full forward line are able to fight and win their own ball under huge pressure whereas Tyrone were not.
Thats was very evident during the match. What scares me is that I dont feel there is a place anymore for smaller skillful players like Ronan O'Neill & Darren McCurry.
Think this is very true. These type of players are getting pushed out of the game. Maybe room as a roving half forward but the full forward line nowadays is generally 6ft plus. Mc Brearty, Colm O'Neill, Goulding, Mc Fadden, Brogan are examples. Have to be very strong to win a ball under pressure from 2-3 defenders surrounding you!!
Could this be a reason Declan O'Sullivan now lines out in the FF line for Kerry. Him and Gooch have swapped roles as such. Bigger and stronger in terms of ball winning. Makes Hartes decision to remove Mc Aliskey seem even stranger!!
Quote from: LeoMc on May 28, 2013, 11:03:33 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2013, 10:58:22 AM
Quote from: parttimeexile on May 28, 2013, 10:48:25 AM
I do rate Mickey Harte as a manager but was just wondering what peoples views are on the following. Would any other manager still be in place after the results in the last five years?
I was thinking the same
Possibly not, but we are not blessed with options to replace him.
Mickey may be doing as good as anyone could with this group of players. Hard to know but just think it has gone stale, this is no fault of the manager I just think players need a change sometimes. Very hard to keep it fresh year after year. What about any of the minor management teams that won All Irelands. Where have they gone?
Nobody thought that Donegal had anyone decent waiting in the wings and look how JMG has turned out. The statement that the job is his for as long as he wants is exactly what is wrong, it should be based on results. As mentioned before, if JMG was in charge of Tyrone they would be doing a lot better.
I don't buy into this "gone stale" argument at all. A huge chunk of the Tyrone panel have only been managed by Harte for a fairly short time. (McAliskey, Coney, R O'Neill, two Donnellys, McNiece, Clarke, Morgan, Coney, Lafferty, Kane, McCurry, Gallagher, Warnock, etc etc.) Added to that that Horse has been involved this year, it's a non-starter of an argument. Joe Brolly last week related the story of meeting Mugsy on the street in Belfast shortly after he played an in-house game at Garvaghey, with the hope of being invited back to the panel. He said he was keeping himself in good condition and felt he was fit enough to come back, but that when he played in the in house game, he was "totally blown away" by the "unbelievable pace and power" of the players. An interesting remark from a man who spent so many years under Harte. After the beating by Kerry, most Tyrone fans were claiming it would be a few years before we would be back playing at a competitive level. Nine months later we were in the League Final losing out by a point to everyone's All-Ireland favourites, and we were suddenly being tipped by many of these same fans as being among the select few potential All-Ireland winners. And who would replace Harte? Only suggestion on the thread yet is Canavan. A man who has yet to really prove himself in management at club or county level. The job is Harte's. And Nrico, plenty of people knew of Jim McGuinness's ability and his credentials for the job (both on the field and academically). The county board just weren't interested in him. Easy saying Tyrone should have a Jim McGuinness just "waiting in the wings", but not so easy to say who that is.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 28, 2013, 11:48:20 AM
Nobody thought that Donegal had anyone decent waiting in the wings and look how JMG has turned out. The statement that the job is his for as long as he wants is exactly what is wrong, it should be based on results. As mentioned before, if JMG was in charge of Tyrone they would be doing a lot better.
But Tyrone ARE doing well that's the problem.
Yes they got beat on Sunday. But Morgan's free kicking was off - our defending for the 2 goals was abysmal, Tyrone shot 13 wides to their 3.
Donegal are not some wee team in division 2 that are half decent - Donegal are all Ireland champions and favourites to win the AI again this year.
They're a juggernaut.
Tyrone are rebuilding - got to the NFL final - got beaten by a point by co favourites for the AI Dublin.
I can't work out where a lot of people are coming from.
How many were thinking of changing manager after the magnificent national league run ?.
As usual we're over react when teams win and over react the toher way when teams lose.
Careful what you wish for Tyronies, just ask the Eastmeathers how they've fared since jettisoning their multiple AI winning manager.
Blown away by Donegal & McGuinness again on Sunday. Some feat to comfortably win in the end with Lacey and McHugh not starting, so much for no strength in depth. The fact he can put ordinary enough players into a team/system and deliver a performance and more importantly a result every time is unprecedented.
Ye Tyronies are hard to figure out I tell ye. If ye were drawn against other team in Ulster ye would win,the fact that ye got drawn against the best team in Ireland DOES make a difference. Someone had to get beat and it was ye, so just knuckle down and i'm sure you will get a decent run.
1 defeat doesn't make ye a bad team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's wile funny but watching ye all squirm after one defeat against the champions.
Quote from: orangeman on May 28, 2013, 12:02:55 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 28, 2013, 11:48:20 AM
Nobody thought that Donegal had anyone decent waiting in the wings and look how JMG has turned out. The statement that the job is his for as long as he wants is exactly what is wrong, it should be based on results. As mentioned before, if JMG was in charge of Tyrone they would be doing a lot better.
But Tyrone ARE doing well that's the problem.
Yes they got beat on Sunday. But Morgan's free kicking was off - our defending for the 2 goals was abysmal, Tyrone shot 13 wides to their 3.
Donegal are not some wee team in division 2 that are half decent - Donegal are all Ireland champions and favourites to win the AI again this year.
They're a juggernaut.
Tyrone are rebuilding - got to the NFL final - got beaten by a point by co favourites for the AI Dublin.
I can't work out where a lot of people are coming from.
How many were thinking of changing manager after the magnificent national league run ?.
As usual we're over react when teams win and over react the toher way when teams lose.
I know that the squad of players is not as strong as the 03/05/08 teams but I think they could be organized in a way that would increase there chance of winning.
To say that it cannot go stale when you change players is wrong. If the management dont evolve then they are left behind, no matter what players you bring in. If they are not organised/trained to there max potential then you will not win.
Also to say there is no other choices for managers out there is not really valid. Plenty doubted Mickey when he came in and look how that turned out! There are plenty of managers who could have not won the Ireland for five years!
Mickey has rebuilt the team from the carnage that was Killarney last July.
He has done it quikcer than most would have thought possible.
Instead of talking about changing him, I think we should be praising his achievement.
Only one team can win the AI.
Tyrone are still one of the top teams and I think this will be borne out in the next 2 months.
They weren't good enough on Sunday against Donegal and to be fair not many teams in Ireland would have coped with Donegal last Sunday or any Sunday but Tyrone on reflection made a decent stab at it.
To win Tyrone needed to be getting the rub of the green and the breaks along the way and converting the chances.
In the end, Mc Quillan gave Donegal most of what was going, Tyrone didn't get the bounce of the ball and they didn't convert the large number of shots they managed against the Donegal blanket.
I'd like to see Tyrone and Donegal in Croke Park later in the year.
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 26, 2013, 08:07:58 PM
Disappointing result but the better team won. KL made some difference. I was shocked by the sheer lack of any class in victory from a large section of Donegal supporters at the end though. As Tyrone fans began leaving early there were scores of donegal fans, including grown men, in the stand waving car keys, singing "chiompioneees", hurling fairly scummy abuse at them and giving them the fingers. Absolutely trampish behaviour.
Tyrone fans whinging about lack of class in victory AND blanket defences. This is the thread that keeps on giving.... ;D
Quote from: parttimeexile on May 28, 2013, 12:43:33 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 28, 2013, 12:02:55 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 28, 2013, 11:48:20 AM
Nobody thought that Donegal had anyone decent waiting in the wings and look how JMG has turned out. The statement that the job is his for as long as he wants is exactly what is wrong, it should be based on results. As mentioned before, if JMG was in charge of Tyrone they would be doing a lot better.
But Tyrone ARE doing well that's the problem.
Yes they got beat on Sunday. But Morgan's free kicking was off - our defending for the 2 goals was abysmal, Tyrone shot 13 wides to their 3.
Donegal are not some wee team in division 2 that are half decent - Donegal are all Ireland champions and favourites to win the AI again this year.
They're a juggernaut.
Tyrone are rebuilding - got to the NFL final - got beaten by a point by co favourites for the AI Dublin.
I can't work out where a lot of people are coming from.
How many were thinking of changing manager after the magnificent national league run ?.
As usual we're over react when teams win and over react the toher way when teams lose.
I know that the squad of players is not as strong as the 03/05/08 teams but I think they could be organized in a way that would increase there chance of winning.
To say that it cannot go stale when you change players is wrong. If the management dont evolve then they are left behind, no matter what players you bring in. If they are not organised/trained to there max potential then you will not win.
Also to say there is no other choices for managers out there is not really valid. Plenty doubted Mickey when he came in and look how that turned out! There are plenty of managers who could have not won the Ireland for five years!
When a player is only under a manager for a short time, then he can hardly feel things are stale. Particularly with someone like Horse on the scene for their first year too. Most of the newer lads would be lapping up every word out of Harte's mouth. And it shows, because within nine months, Harte brought a team most people were calling "finished" to within a point of beating everyone's All-Ireland favorites in the League final. The people who nine months earlier were calling the team "finished" as they drove home from Kilarney, were driving home from the league final talking about Tyrone as being realistic competitors for the All-Ireland. And as for this nonsense chat about replacing him, and that there are other potential managers out there....well Mickey Harte didn't just turn up out of the blue - like Jim McGuinness, he had a proven record of success both at club and county level in management before hand. Again, it's easy saying that "someone" else should do it. Who? The job is Harte's on merit, despite the odd knee-jerk OTT reactions from a tiny minority of people.
Was a little surprised that with 10mins to go we were in the same position in a match that we found ourselves in in almost every championship game last year- Protecting a lead.
At times didn't look like that might happen but I've thought that before so big credit to the management.
Obviously the keeper for Tyrone had a shocker.Not only did he miss a few scorable frees , I think he was ball watching for Wherrity's goal. Watching McBrearty holding it that is.
Was the main difference I think .You guys looked good in the first half ,bombing midfield where it looked like you had an extra player or three. But when the man with the hair scored the 2nd goal it looked like you were just biding time and waiting for the bus home. The task was too big from them on.
Had Morgan of converted half those kicks you would have been already ahead maybe 3 points before that.
Immense game from McBrearty and the Magees.
Tough test past albeit Tyrone were major architects in there own defeat.
Having said that , When it really matters every team we play has had a major role in their own defeat. So maybe Brolly's admiration for Jim is excusable in that he really is that good.
It's no coincidence that when we play top teams they more often than not have happen to have an 'off day".
It will be alot tighter against the likes of Dublin who defend in an almost an exact manner.
Quote from: orangeman on May 28, 2013, 12:57:39 PM
Mickey has rebuilt the team from the carnage that was Killarney last July.
He has done it quikcer than most would have thought possible.
Instead of talking about changing him, I think we should be praising his achievement.
Only one team can win the AI.
Tyrone are still one of the top teams and I think this will be borne out in the next 2 months.
They weren't good enough on Sunday against Donegal and to be fair not many teams in Ireland would have coped with Donegal last Sunday or any Sunday but Tyrone on reflection made a decent stab at it.
To win Tyrone needed to be getting the rub of the green and the breaks along the way and converting the chances.
In the end, Mc Quillan gave Donegal most of what was going, Tyrone didn't get the bounce of the ball and they didn't convert the large number of shots they managed against the Donegal blanket.
I'd like to see Tyrone and Donegal in Croke Park later in the year.
Didn't look to be any favouritism from the ref from what I saw. The two penalty shouts (one each) were marginal and he was unsighted for the Tyrone one anyway. Tyrone missed a lot of shots, but they were mostly very tough shots. Anyone can run up their chance total by taking those kind of shots from far out and wide. You can't rely on them to consistently run up a good total of scores.
Biggest worry for us out of that game (apart from the suddenly lauding press causing complacency, although you have to trust Big Jim!)) is making sure Lacey gets and stays fully fit. The transformation after he came on (helped by the quick goal) was incredible. Suddenly we were winning some breaks and we had a cool, intelligent head in there to spread the ball, start moves and give some direction. Makes you think about what might have been had he not got hurt against Dublin in 2011! :P
Quote from: J70 on May 28, 2013, 02:18:52 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 28, 2013, 12:57:39 PM
Mickey has rebuilt the team from the carnage that was Killarney last July.
He has done it quikcer than most would have thought possible.
Instead of talking about changing him, I think we should be praising his achievement.
Only one team can win the AI.
Tyrone are still one of the top teams and I think this will be borne out in the next 2 months.
They weren't good enough on Sunday against Donegal and to be fair not many teams in Ireland would have coped with Donegal last Sunday or any Sunday but Tyrone on reflection made a decent stab at it.
To win Tyrone needed to be getting the rub of the green and the breaks along the way and converting the chances.
In the end, Mc Quillan gave Donegal most of what was going, Tyrone didn't get the bounce of the ball and they didn't convert the large number of shots they managed against the Donegal blanket.
I'd like to see Tyrone and Donegal in Croke Park later in the year.
Didn't look to be any favouritism from the ref from what I saw. The two penalty shouts (one each) were marginal and he was unsighted for the Tyrone one anyway. Tyrone missed a lot of shots, but they were mostly very tough shots. Anyone can run up their chance total by taking those kind of shots from far out and wide. You can't rely on them to consistently run up a good total of scores.
The credit goes to the Donegal defence for forcing those shots from out wide and from distance. It's a high risk strategy depending on shots from distance and 60 yard free kicks as they are difficult skills to execute and although Tyrone hit some beauties, they just didn't get enough of them when on top mid way through the second half. I think Tyrone will beat most teams this year in the qualifiers and will be around come all Ireland quarter final weekend then it's luck of the draw after that. With 4 or 5 games behind them they may go into the quarters a revitalised team without the high expectations that were going on before Sundays game. Talk of blaming Mickey is nonsense as the progress in general this year has been good. This was a set back against a superb team who are much more settled than Tyrone and maybe a trip through the qualifiers will do no harm at all.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 28, 2013, 02:29:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 28, 2013, 02:18:52 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 28, 2013, 12:57:39 PM
Mickey has rebuilt the team from the carnage that was Killarney last July.
He has done it quikcer than most would have thought possible.
Instead of talking about changing him, I think we should be praising his achievement.
Only one team can win the AI.
Tyrone are still one of the top teams and I think this will be borne out in the next 2 months.
They weren't good enough on Sunday against Donegal and to be fair not many teams in Ireland would have coped with Donegal last Sunday or any Sunday but Tyrone on reflection made a decent stab at it.
To win Tyrone needed to be getting the rub of the green and the breaks along the way and converting the chances.
In the end, Mc Quillan gave Donegal most of what was going, Tyrone didn't get the bounce of the ball and they didn't convert the large number of shots they managed against the Donegal blanket.
I'd like to see Tyrone and Donegal in Croke Park later in the year.
Didn't look to be any favouritism from the ref from what I saw. The two penalty shouts (one each) were marginal and he was unsighted for the Tyrone one anyway. Tyrone missed a lot of shots, but they were mostly very tough shots. Anyone can run up their chance total by taking those kind of shots from far out and wide. You can't rely on them to consistently run up a good total of scores.
The credit goes to the Donegal defence for forcing those shots from out wide and from distance. It's a high risk strategy depending on shots from distance and 60 yard free kicks as they are difficult skills to execute and although Tyrone hit some beauties, they just didn't get enough of them when on top mid way through the second half. I think Tyrone will beat most teams this year in the qualifiers and will be around come all Ireland quarter final weekend then it's luck of the draw after that. With 4 or 5 games behind them they may go into the quarters a revitalised team without the high expectations that were going on before Sundays game. Talk of blaming Mickey is nonsense as the progress in general this year has been good. This was a set back against a superb team who are much more settled than Tyrone and maybe a trip through the qualifiers will do no harm at all.
The one good thing coming out of the weekend will be the reality check that has been given, Tyrone were talked up something serious coming into the game whereas Donegal, as All Ireland Champions, were coming in under the radar. A good run in the qualifiers could help the ypunger players in the long term, and by that I think that some of the younger forwards (McCurry, McAliskey, Coney, O'Neill) need to be given game time to bleed them into senior intercounty championship football.
Quote from: J70 on May 28, 2013, 02:18:52 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 28, 2013, 12:57:39 PM
Mickey has rebuilt the team from the carnage that was Killarney last July.
He has done it quikcer than most would have thought possible.
Instead of talking about changing him, I think we should be praising his achievement.
Only one team can win the AI.
Tyrone are still one of the top teams and I think this will be borne out in the next 2 months.
They weren't good enough on Sunday against Donegal and to be fair not many teams in Ireland would have coped with Donegal last Sunday or any Sunday but Tyrone on reflection made a decent stab at it.
To win Tyrone needed to be getting the rub of the green and the breaks along the way and converting the chances.
In the end, Mc Quillan gave Donegal most of what was going, Tyrone didn't get the bounce of the ball and they didn't convert the large number of shots they managed against the Donegal blanket.
I'd like to see Tyrone and Donegal in Croke Park later in the year.
Didn't look to be any favouritism from the ref from what I saw. The two penalty shouts (one each) were marginal and he was unsighted for the Tyrone one anyway. Tyrone missed a lot of shots, but they were mostly very tough shots. Anyone can run up their chance total by taking those kind of shots from far out and wide. You can't rely on them to consistently run up a good total of scores.
I'm not saying the ref won it for Donegal or lost it for Tyrone- not at all - that would be disrespectful to Donegal - Tyrone could and should have a penalty - Donegal's first goal was as a result of a free kick on Donegal's end line that was brought up under very questionable circumstances to the middle of the pitch, big bomb of a ball from Murphy and the rest is history.
What I am saying is that Donegal FULLY deserved their victory over Tyrone but the result could have been different had Tyrone got the wee decisions you need in these big games.
You'll win nothing without a bit of luck. Donegal got the wee breaks on Sunday for their 2 goals. Tyrone didn't. That's all I'm saying. No offence intended to Donegal - they were worthy victors.
Having looked at highlights during the game Donegal seemed to concede the midfield area in favour of a quick turnover in their defence to move the ball back up the field at pace.
At one stage for Donegals kickouts it looked as if they just kept the extra man back in their defence with Gormley free to do what he liked in midfield as demonstrated with him winning a couple of clean catches and breaks in the first half.
Tyrone won a couple of All-Ireland's losing the majority of midfield battles and having a high turnover rate. I'd say Donegal are happy enough for the opposition to have the ball in their own half and once they enter their territory it's turnovers and quick counters.
I hope I'm proved wrong but I can see this year turning out to be another damp squib with Tyrone bowing out at about the quarter final stage with everyone continuing to talk about the rebuilding process. Maybe thats the level they are at, at present. The younger fellas should be given chance if they are showing well at training. Or maybe its all a ploy by the football genius that is Mickey Harte to lull everyone into a false sense of security and then sneaek in the back door.
Quote from: parttimeexile on May 28, 2013, 02:55:03 PM
I hope I'm proved wrong but I can see this year turning out to be another damp squib with Tyrone bowing out at about the quarter final stage with everyone continuing to talk about the rebuilding process. Maybe thats the level they are at, at present. The younger fellas should be given chance if they are showing well at training. Or maybe its all a ploy by the football genius that is Mickey Harte to lull everyone into a false sense of security and then sneaek in the back door.
I'd say it's a bit early for Tyrone this year.
Mayo would beat them if they met in a QF.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2013, 05:16:09 PM
I wondered about that at the time but I know better to bring it up here after a defeat.
I wondered though did he just bring it forward (a lot) or did he award another free?
So is Bannon suggesting a re-match. I don't know would I want to go through all that again to be honest.
Here's why I think Donegal won't be beaten this year. Back in 2003 we had maybe 3 or 4 lads around one player.
(http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.1406997.1369645545!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_600/image.jpg)
Big shock, Joe McQuillan out of his depth...again. McQullian was inconsistent in his application of the rules, something that a lot of refs are guilty of. On a number of occasions he let Donegal fouls go unpunished only to see no advantage accruing to Tyrone, perhaps the change in the advantage rule will help. Donegal were cynical, but no more than Armagh, Tyrone and Kerry before them. The only solution is for refs to punish cynicism agin perhaps the black card might help but I doubt it as the rule is there to be enforced at the moment through warnings and cards and refs do not use it. I have some sympathy for McMahon officials saw what was happening and didn't intervene an he lashed out.
Talking to a few tryone lads over the last couple of days and they all agree Donegal deserved the win.....but they think if they meet them again this year they will beat them.
Would any of the posters on the board agree with this?
I didnt see anything on Sunday that would lead me to that conclusion, but maybe others see what I dont.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 28, 2013, 03:35:30 PM
Talking to a few tryone lads over the last couple of days and they all agree Donegal deserved the win.....but they think if they meet them again this year they will beat them.
Would any of the posters on the board agree with this?
I didnt see anything on Sunday that would lead me to that conclusion, but maybe others see what I dont.
I genuinely don't see where the optimism there is coming from, I felt that Donegal won pulling up, think they have got more in the tank for when it is required. Even if Morgan had landed those frees I still think Tyrone were up against it.
If Tyrone played Donegal 10 times, i say they would lose 8 times.
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 28, 2013, 03:29:41 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2013, 05:16:09 PM
I wondered about that at the time but I know better to bring it up here after a defeat.
I wondered though did he just bring it forward (a lot) or did he award another free?
So is Bannon suggesting a re-match. I don't know would I want to go through all that again to be honest.
Here's why I think Donegal won't be beaten this year. Back in 2003 we had maybe 3 or 4 lads around one player.
(http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.1406997.1369645545!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_600/image.jpg)
Big shock, Joe McQuillan out of his depth...again. McQullian was inconsistent in his application of the rules, something that a lot of refs are guilty of. On a number of occasions he let Donegal fouls go unpunished only to see no advantage accruing to Tyrone, perhaps the change in the advantage rule will help. Donegal were cynical, but no more than Armagh, Tyrone and Kerry before them. The only solution is for refs to punish cynicism agin perhaps the black card might help but I doubt it as the rule is there to be enforced at the moment through warnings and cards and refs do not use it. I have some sympathy for McMahon officials saw what was happening and didn't intervene an he lashed out.
Not a mission. He deserved all he got it was sheer stupidity for him to kick out and being as experienced as he is there is no question he knows better than to do that. He played directly into Donegals hands.
Say all you want about McQuillan and he was poor but I don't think he was favouring one team over another. Donegal just played him better than Tyrone. When you think about it it's pretty obvious that if you hold a mans leg the most you will get is a booking but there is a decent chance he'll throw his foot back and get a red!
Donegal are cute hoors, and that is definitely drilled into them, without doubt.
You'd often see a ref move a free forward when a player won't retreat out of the way, so why doesn't he punish them for not letting go of his leg.
When the one happened with Joey I thought he was gonna book the two of them. I think Joey definitely meant to fling the both legs back to hurt him and was not just wriggling free so I had no complaints with the yellow
our defence is shocking. we haven't a mcmenamin type player even in our underage ranks to stifle a danger-man, none of our defenders on the squad bar conor gormley who done it for years really got into the players head and was hard but fair which really gives the man hes marking an added bit of fear.i mind for years Alan Brogan would light up a weak Leinster champiponship and when Tyrone met the dubs even the famous gormley handshake was enough to put Brogan of his game.can somebody from ardboe answer me if martin mckeown is county material?i mind the year ardboe got beat in county final he looked like a massive talent and has that loughshore tenasity that the likes of the pauls and fay devlins had in them. i mind he made the mckenna cup panel a few years back and then never heard tell of him since whether he walked on his own accord or was pushed but one thing for sure is were seriously lacking in the defensive side of things when the oldest defender we have is still hands down our best available for all our underage success.
The is a dearth of top quality defenders. Even McGuigan, Dooher and McGinley were better defenders that what we have now. It'll continue to cripple us against the best sides.
Mickey also needs to unearth a consistent scoring forward. Not 100% sure if McAliskey is that man but he showed a glimpse of what he can do if given the right ball. Still can't believe that a) they didn't persist with that tactic (O'Neill won a free the same way not long after) b) he took McAliskey off.
Disappointing day on Sunday. Both goals were as a result of bad defending and the second one was a huge turning point in the game. It broke Tyrone and left them chasing the game which played totally into Donegals hands. The missed free kicks at the start of the second half were huge to. On another day Morgan easily could have scored another 2 or 3 of them. The one thing I can't understand is why he took the one from the right hand side. He missed nearly all of them during the league.
I was a bit disappointed that the referee wasn't stronger with Donegal on Sunday. People can point back to things Tyrone did over the years but this should have no impact on the referee. Three men stood in front of Morgan each time for the free's and refused to go the full distance back. The ref stood 30 metres away and let it happen. He moved them back once or twice but they moved forward straight away. The first time they didn't go far enough back the ref should have moved the free forward. As has already been mentioned the tactic of pulling players back to avoid quick free's should also have been punished but instead was ignored and directly lead to McMahon's first booking. The other thing was Donegal's reaction to bad tackles - they were straight in pushing and shoving to influence the ref. McAliskey got booked in the first half. Two of the Donegal players came straight in and pushed McAliskey. The ref had to go round them to get booking him but completely ignored the pushing.
I thought Harte made a few bad decisions on Sunday. Joe McMahon was booked, injured and playing poorly but got kept on. Also I cannot work out why he brought McNeice on for McAliskey. I've been at every game this year and yet to see him offer enough to prove he's ready for the level. I was also disappointed with Mark Donnelly on Sunday - he's yet to really do it in a big championship game. Hopefully it will come as the year develops. Gormely was immense and I thought despite the criticism he gets Colm Cavanagh had a decent game competing with one of the best midfielders in Ireland.
Overall Donegal deserved their win and were so clinical in front of goal. They rarily miss from free's or open play which leaves them hard to beat. Tyrone will have to learn from this. I hope they can regroup now and work really hard for the qualifiers. Donegal are the best team in Ireland and I hope we can learn from Sunday and fight to get another go at them in Croke Park later in the year. I still think with a good run of injuries we can have a good summer.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 27, 2013, 02:05:38 PM
Very disappointing from Tyrone to allow a guy with a hairstyle like Ross Wherity score a big goal against them.
I know his hair was completely shocking and therefore it would be very hard to take a boy like that seriously when he eneterd the fray. I presumed when he came on, and with hair like that, that he would be no threat so the whoever was supposed to be marking him for the goal probably assumed the same as me and therefore let him carry on. Major sucker punch to get hit for a goal at that time of the game. I couldnt believe he scored. He hasnt good enough hair to score a goal in the Ulster championship.
It's not just you concerned about his hair judging by his Wikipedia page
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on May 28, 2013, 08:37:57 PM
our defence is shocking. we haven't a mcmenamin type player even in our underage ranks to stifle a danger-man, none of our defenders on the squad bar conor gormley who done it for years really got into the players head and was hard but fair which really gives the man hes marking an added bit of fear.i mind for years Alan Brogan would light up a weak Leinster champiponship and when Tyrone met the dubs even the famous gormley handshake was enough to put Brogan of his game.can somebody from ardboe answer me if martin mckeown is county material?i mind the year ardboe got beat in county final he looked like a massive talent and has that loughshore tenasity that the likes of the pauls and fay devlins had in them. i mind he made the mckenna cup panel a few years back and then never heard tell of him since whether he walked on his own accord or was pushed but one thing for sure is were seriously lacking in the defensive side of things when the oldest defender we have is still hands down our best available for all our underage success.
McKeown was on the McKenna cup squad in 2010 or 2011, can't recall which. The story locally at the time was he left of his own accord after being told he wouldn't play much if any games. He would certainly have the physique for intercounty football and in my opinion would have got an opportunity to see if he was up to the task in most other counties. Dean McNally from Kildress is another robust defender who was let go this year, he was involved in a farm accident lately unfortunately.
Quote from: NAG1 on May 28, 2013, 03:39:53 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 28, 2013, 03:35:30 PM
Talking to a few tryone lads over the last couple of days and they all agree Donegal deserved the win.....but they think if they meet them again this year they will beat them.
Would any of the posters on the board agree with this?
I didnt see anything on Sunday that would lead me to that conclusion, but maybe others see what I dont.
I genuinely don't see where the optimism there is coming from, I felt that Donegal won pulling up, think they have got more in the tank for when it is required. Even if Morgan had landed those frees I still think Tyrone were up against it.
I have to agree. Tyrone were peaking during the league, Donegal were coasting and it cost them their status. It's still hard to know where this Tyrone team will end up. But there were to many reading to much into league form where counties like Kerry, Mayo, Cork and Donegal were regrouping or not really interested. Donegal rightly feared this fixture and the celebrations after the game told their own story. They would not have feared Tyrone unless they were some threat.
Tyrone: P McConnell; A McCrory, C Clarke, D Carlin; R McNamee, C Gormley, Sean O'Neill; Joe McMahon, C Cavanagh; Mattie Donnelly, M Donnelly, P Harte; M Penrose, O Mulligan, D McCurry.
Subs used: R McMenamin for Carlin, D McCaul for McNamee, A Cassidy for Mattie Donnelly, Stephen O'Neill for Penrose, B McGuigan for McCurry
The tyrone team that started against kerry last year.....only men not involved this year are mcconnell, mulligan and rice and mcguigan. All of whom mickey if they hadn't retired and taken decision away from mickey would still be involved. Only new man involved is mcaliskey......hardly rebuilding a new team. Tyrone went full tilt at a league whereas most other teams were preparing for championship so its not a good indicator of where we are at. hard to knew whether mickey is reluctant to change it up or are the new players just not good enough, especially in defence
cork had 7 debutants against limerick....now thats rebuilding
Quote from: loughshore lad on May 28, 2013, 11:19:24 PM
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on May 28, 2013, 08:37:57 PM
our defence is shocking. we haven't a mcmenamin type player even in our underage ranks to stifle a danger-man, none of our defenders on the squad bar conor gormley who done it for years really got into the players head and was hard but fair which really gives the man hes marking an added bit of fear.i mind for years Alan Brogan would light up a weak Leinster champiponship and when Tyrone met the dubs even the famous gormley handshake was enough to put Brogan of his game.can somebody from ardboe answer me if martin mckeown is county material?i mind the year ardboe got beat in county final he looked like a massive talent and has that loughshore tenasity that the likes of the pauls and fay devlins had in them. i mind he made the mckenna cup panel a few years back and then never heard tell of him since whether he walked on his own accord or was pushed but one thing for sure is were seriously lacking in the defensive side of things when the oldest defender we have is still hands down our best available for all our underage success.
McKeown was on the McKenna cup squad in 2010 or 2011, can't recall which. The story locally at the time was he left of his own accord after being told he wouldn't play much if any games. He would certainly have the physique for intercounty football and in my opinion would have got an opportunity to see if he was up to the task in most other counties. Dean McNally from Kildress is another robust defender who was let go this year, he was involved in a farm accident lately unfortunately.
McBride from Strabane is another physical and athletic defender who impressed when given a chance during the league. But surely given the number of clubs in the County there are some top class defenders out there.
I'm sure there are a few Ballinderry defenders you could borrow.
Quote from: The Beard on May 29, 2013, 04:43:38 AM
Tyrone: P McConnell; A McCrory, C Clarke, D Carlin; R McNamee, C Gormley, Sean O'Neill; Joe McMahon, C Cavanagh; Mattie Donnelly, M Donnelly, P Harte; M Penrose, O Mulligan, D McCurry.
Subs used: R McMenamin for Carlin, D McCaul for McNamee, A Cassidy for Mattie Donnelly, Stephen O'Neill for Penrose, B McGuigan for McCurry
The tyrone team that started against kerry last year.....only men not involved this year are mcconnell, mulligan and rice and mcguigan. All of whom mickey if they hadn't retired and taken decision away from mickey would still be involved. Only new man involved is mcaliskey......hardly rebuilding a new team. Tyrone went full tilt at a league whereas most other teams were preparing for championship so its not a good indicator of where we are at. hard to knew whether mickey is reluctant to change it up or are the new players just not good enough, especially in defence
cork had 7 debutants against limerick....now thats rebuilding
Ye can do that against Limerick, not the ulster and all-irelad champions at Ballybofey.
As usual, after every match a lot of people express their opinions much more than they did before the game. Redhand Santa makes as usual some good points but there is always a tendency to overstate how bad we were.
When watching the second half I was very negative to how bad we looked but having watched it again things maybe weren't as bad as they seemed. Before Donegal got the second goal we had drawn level and should have actually been two up had we scored two very kickable scores. Stevie kicked a free wide from not too far out.
Mattie Donnelly really was in on goal in the first half and should have at least went for the far corner as ye don't get in very often for goals v Donegal.
As Brolly said there wasn't much ye can do about that first goal. It was a high hopeful ball in. McBrearty got a good flick on it but you've no real certainty where it would land but it bounced very well for McFadden.
Anyway, the main point I wanted to make was. A lot of people were talking before the match as if Donegal will go backwards from where they were at last year. They wouldn't have the hunger or drive to push on. Maybe this is what a lot of counties were hoping for as they wanted to believe that. In all honesty, with Jimmy at the helm, they look like they are now developing into a massive force who not only have the hard work ethic, but have now got fine forwards who are well capable of scoring against any defences.
We did lose to the reigning all-Ireland champs in their own back yard. We knew our own defence isn't built on great man markers any more and we saw how toothless our forward line against this amazing Donegal defence.
I would be very hopeful we will re-group and do well this summer but I would be worried about playing Donegal again but hey who knows.
Are the likes of Niall McKenna, Gavin Teague or Ciaran Gervin anywhere near that panel?
Quote from: The Beard on May 29, 2013, 04:43:38 AM
Tyrone: P McConnell; A McCrory, C Clarke, D Carlin; R McNamee, C Gormley, Sean O'Neill; Joe McMahon, C Cavanagh; Mattie Donnelly, M Donnelly, P Harte; M Penrose, O Mulligan, D McCurry.
Subs used: R McMenamin for Carlin, D McCaul for McNamee, A Cassidy for Mattie Donnelly, Stephen O'Neill for Penrose, B McGuigan for McCurry
The tyrone team that started against kerry last year.....only men not involved this year are mcconnell, mulligan and rice and mcguigan. All of whom mickey if they hadn't retired and taken decision away from mickey would still be involved. Only new man involved is mcaliskey......hardly rebuilding a new team. Tyrone went full tilt at a league whereas most other teams were preparing for championship so its not a good indicator of where we are at. hard to knew whether mickey is reluctant to change it up or are the new players just not good enough, especially in defence
cork had 7 debutants against limerick....now thats rebuilding
If Tyrone had played 7 debutants on Sunday we would have been hammered out the gate. People would have slated Harte for ruining the young players confidence. Unless you have an exceptional group of young players you can't suddenly throw loads of new one's on.
To me Harte had close enough to the best 15 in the county available. We are short in the full back line but options seem to be limited there and there's not many standing out at underage. We were as good if not slightly better than the All Ireland champions for 45-50 minutes of the game and fell away after the goal. Hopefully he can work on cutting soft goals during the summer.
Of the team that started on Sunday 5 were 23 or under and another 2 players brought on were 23. To me we currently have a nice blend of youth and experience. Lets not forget our best player by a distance was Conor Gormley. If some people had their way he'd have been dropped a few years ago and replaced by someone no where near as good just because they were younger.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 29, 2013, 11:49:51 AM
Quote from: The Beard on May 29, 2013, 04:43:38 AM
Tyrone: P McConnell; A McCrory, C Clarke, D Carlin; R McNamee, C Gormley, Sean O'Neill; Joe McMahon, C Cavanagh; Mattie Donnelly, M Donnelly, P Harte; M Penrose, O Mulligan, D McCurry.
Subs used: R McMenamin for Carlin, D McCaul for McNamee, A Cassidy for Mattie Donnelly, Stephen O'Neill for Penrose, B McGuigan for McCurry
The tyrone team that started against kerry last year.....only men not involved this year are mcconnell, mulligan and rice and mcguigan. All of whom mickey if they hadn't retired and taken decision away from mickey would still be involved. Only new man involved is mcaliskey......hardly rebuilding a new team. Tyrone went full tilt at a league whereas most other teams were preparing for championship so its not a good indicator of where we are at. hard to knew whether mickey is reluctant to change it up or are the new players just not good enough, especially in defence
cork had 7 debutants against limerick....now thats rebuilding
If Tyrone had played 7 debutants on Sunday we would have been hammered out the gate. People would have slated Harte for ruining the young players confidence. Unless you have an exceptional group of young players you can't suddenly throw loads of new one's on.
To me Harte had close enough to the best 15 in the county available. We are short in the full back line but options seem to be limited there and there's not many standing out at underage. We were as good if not slightly better than the All Ireland champions for 45-50 minutes of the game and fell away after the goal. Hopefully he can work on cutting soft goals during the summer.
Of the team that started on Sunday 5 were 23 or under and another 2 players brought on were 23. To me we currently have a nice blend of youth and experience. Lets not forget our best player by a distance was Conor Gormley. If some people had their way he'd have been dropped a few years ago and replaced by someone no where near as good just because they were younger.
Would agree with Gormley being among the top performers in the game, also think that the young Clarke at the back looks like a great prospect.
All is not lost for Tyrone. The players have 5 weeks from last Sunday to prepare for the qualifiers. Round 1 is 29th June.
For 50mins we went toe to toe with the Champions. After the first goal we did really well to level the game up, but there was to be no respite once Donegal got the second goal. Lady luck, the small decisions etc started to go their way. They were worthy winners looking better organised, battle hardened & tactically superior. The final 15mins were very frustrating to watch from a Tyrone perspective, as Donegal had us exactly were they wanted us - in a vice grip & closed the game out brilliantly.
A good run in the Qualifiers can mend alot of the psychological damage inflicted. Im very confident we will make it back into the 1/4 Finals in Croke Park.
We still have a very strong squad depth - if maybe currently lacking some stardust. The qualifiers offers the opportunity for the lads to play 5 competitive games in as many weeks. Mickey needs to be crafty here - resting players like the McMahons & Stephen O'Neill when he can afford to, ensuring they are ready and at their best when we need them most.
These games offer opportunities to the likes of Kyle Coney, Darren McCurry, Ronan O'Neill and McAliskey.
We really need at least one of them to catch fire.
Quote from: Estimator on May 29, 2013, 11:18:21 AM
Are the likes of Niall McKenna, Gavin Teague or Ciaran Gervin anywhere near that panel?
they were def nowhere near it on Sunday that's for sure as they weren't even on the panel.
Was PJ taken off on Sunday cos he was getting roasted or cos of an injury?
Does anyone on here rate McNeice or see why Mickey seems to think he's worth his place?
Is Sean O'Neill not worth calling back into that squad? Was he dropped for some reason or what was the story there?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 29, 2013, 12:24:29 PM
Was PJ taken off on Sunday cos he was getting roasted or cos of an injury?
Does anyone on here rate McNeice or see why Mickey seems to think he's worth his place?
Is Sean O'Neill not worth calling back into that squad? Was he dropped for some reason or what was the story there?
I would rather have other players on the team before McNeice, not sure about Quinn. Apparently O'Neill isn't a strong enough defender, has pace to burn though. Surely some role could be found for him.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 29, 2013, 12:28:16 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 29, 2013, 12:24:29 PM
Was PJ taken off on Sunday cos he was getting roasted or cos of an injury?
Does anyone on here rate McNeice or see why Mickey seems to think he's worth his place?
Is Sean O'Neill not worth calling back into that squad? Was he dropped for some reason or what was the story there?
I would rather have other players on the team before McNeice, not sure about Quinn. Apparently O'Neill isn't a strong enough defender, has pace to burn though. Surely some role could be found for him.
ONeill has pace to burn?..am i missing something here?
With a name like Ross Wherrity how in hell did he get on the Donegal team, with that kinda name he should be playing for Laios or Dublin...maybe even Kildare.
Sunday we were beat fair and square...by the better team and system. The fact that we controlled the game for large parts though means we should not be too down. JMG has the Donegal system down to tee. Everything is looked at, nothing left to chance. The placing of 3 men in front of Morgan's kicks...no stone is left unturned. Paul Durcan is very cute, not only brilliant from kick outs but in terms of killing momentum he has it down to a tee..During Tyrone's purple patches I counted almost 3 mins between kick outs in comparison to Morgan who wasted no time during Donegal's Purple Patches...Something Benny Tierney employed very successfully during Armagh's years of success. We have to look at how we get back up to speed...interestingly when chatting to a team member since the game he noted that the training was still to go up a notch....!
A few times on sunday Tyrone seemed to be doing everything right- defending breaking up the field but when they crossed mid field they lost all confidence. Think Tyrone needs to reinvent it's half forward line, There seems to be the same players/type of player getting the start at half forward. I know joe gets name there but then he swaps with Mattie, we are really missing forwards like B Mc Guigan T Mc Guigan C Mc Cullagh or a R Mulgrew type of play maker. Hope Tyrone learn from Sunday.
Quote from: sensethetone on May 29, 2013, 12:50:44 PM
A few times on sunday Tyrone seemed to be doing everything right- defending breaking up the field but when they crossed mid field they lost all confidence. Think Tyrone needs to reinvent it's half forward line, There seems to be the same players/type of player getting the start at half forward. I know joe gets name there but then he swaps with Mattie, we are really missing forwards like B Mc Guigan T Mc Guigan C Mc Cullagh or a R Mulgrew type of play maker. Hope Tyrone learn from Sunday.
We are definitely missing a playmaker, ever since CMC left. I was actually hoping that Mulgrew would get a chance this year since he has returned and looks to have filled out, but obviously thats not going to happen. We have no creativity from the middle on, sticking Sean Cavanagh at CHF isn't the answer as he isn't the type of player to bring others into the game, and it actually negates his infulence as he is usually picking the ball up with his back to goal which isn't his strength. I have been saying for a while that its our attack that needs looked at, too many non-scoring forwards in there. In saying that, the one time Tyrone played direct football on Sunday resulted in a great score by McNeice, shame it doesn't happen more often. Ball kicked to Penrose, he turns, skins a man and plays a lovely diagonal ball in front of the forward. No chance for blanket defences to stop that.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 29, 2013, 12:58:58 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on May 29, 2013, 12:50:44 PM
A few times on sunday Tyrone seemed to be doing everything right- defending breaking up the field but when they crossed mid field they lost all confidence. Think Tyrone needs to reinvent it's half forward line, There seems to be the same players/type of player getting the start at half forward. I know joe gets name there but then he swaps with Mattie, we are really missing forwards like B Mc Guigan T Mc Guigan C Mc Cullagh or a R Mulgrew type of play maker. Hope Tyrone learn from Sunday.
We are definitely missing a playmaker, ever since CMC left. I was actually hoping that Mulgrew would get a chance this year since he has returned and looks to have filled out, but obviously thats not going to happen. We have no creativity from the middle on, sticking Sean Cavanagh at CHF isn't the answer as he isn't the type of player to bring others into the game, and it actually negates his infulence as he is usually picking the ball up with his back to goal which isn't his strength. I have been saying for a while that its our attack that needs looked at, too many non-scoring forwards in there. In saying that, the one time Tyrone played direct football on Sunday resulted in a great score by McNeice, shame it doesn't happen more often. Ball kicked to Penrose, he turns, skins a man and plays a lovely diagonal ball in front of the forward. No chance for blanket defences to stop that.
Just on a side note to the game from the Tyronnies, what is the feeling on MH taking off the corner forward obviously for picking up a yellow card, protecting the 15 men on the field, yet when PH picked up a yellow there was no sign of the Shepard's hook?
Is this a double standard on something that obviously had been agreed beforehand?
Nag, im going to be optimistic & assume that as McAliskey was a championship debutante, MH took him off. A lack of big game experience could have resulted in a second booking. Wheras PH was deemed to be more experienced & therefor better equipped to handle the pressure environment.
Petey had yet another poor game v Donegal so think there's not much doubt what most Tyronies think there. Along with the 2 Cavanaghs, he's one of Mickey's favourites and all managers have them.
I reckon though Mickey wanted to move big Sean into the FF line and bring on another forward come sweeper in McNeice.
Donegal have really mastered marking the other teams top forwards out of the game. With a combination of the two McGees who use every trick in the book to not let their man do any damage and then have the backup of extra defenders to cover them any time they are caught out. They'll also have Lacey back to full fitness now soon so their defence is the main foundation their team is built on
Quote from: NAG1 on May 29, 2013, 01:34:00 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 29, 2013, 12:58:58 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on May 29, 2013, 12:50:44 PM
A few times on sunday Tyrone seemed to be doing everything right- defending breaking up the field but when they crossed mid field they lost all confidence. Think Tyrone needs to reinvent it's half forward line, There seems to be the same players/type of player getting the start at half forward. I know joe gets name there but then he swaps with Mattie, we are really missing forwards like B Mc Guigan T Mc Guigan C Mc Cullagh or a R Mulgrew type of play maker. Hope Tyrone learn from Sunday.
We are definitely missing a playmaker, ever since CMC left. I was actually hoping that Mulgrew would get a chance this year since he has returned and looks to have filled out, but obviously thats not going to happen. We have no creativity from the middle on, sticking Sean Cavanagh at CHF isn't the answer as he isn't the type of player to bring others into the game, and it actually negates his infulence as he is usually picking the ball up with his back to goal which isn't his strength. I have been saying for a while that its our attack that needs looked at, too many non-scoring forwards in there. In saying that, the one time Tyrone played direct football on Sunday resulted in a great score by McNeice, shame it doesn't happen more often. Ball kicked to Penrose, he turns, skins a man and plays a lovely diagonal ball in front of the forward. No chance for blanket defences to stop that.
Just on a side note to the game from the Tyronnies, what is the feeling on MH taking off the corner forward obviously for picking up a yellow card, protecting the 15 men on the field, yet when PH picked up a yellow there was no sign of the Shepard's hook?
Is this a double standard on something that obviously had been agreed beforehand?
I suppose we would need to know if the yellow card was the reason he was taken off, I think a lot of people assume it was because the commentator alluded to that reason. There were a few others who picked up yellow cards so maybe that wasn't the reason at all. If there is an agreement between the squad and management to that effect, then it is obviously unacceptable to apply double standards. I can't even remember what game it was now but I do remember recently watching a game where someone was taken off just before or after half time due to getting a yellow card, could have been the Tyrone v Dublin or Kildare games. I think in a way it is a strange call as the like of your average corner forward are highly unlikley to pick up another booking.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 29, 2013, 02:40:10 PM
Petey had yet another poor game v Donegal so think there's not much doubt what most Tyronies think there. Along with the 2 Cavanaghs, he's one of Mickey's favourites and all managers have them.
I reckon though Mickey wanted to move big Sean into the FF line and bring on another forward come sweeper in McNeice.
Donegal have really mastered marking the other teams top forwards out of the game. With a combination of the two McGees who use every trick in the book to not let their man do any damage and then have the backup of extra defenders to cover them any time they are caught out. They'll also have Lacey back to full fitness now soon so their defence is the main foundation their team is built on
Petey is a superb footballer but playing in a full forward line and picking the ball up with his back to goal doesn't suit him. Attacking from half back, coming onto the ball is his best position, in my opinion. I'd like to see Matty Donnelly pushed up into a full forward line position, he's strong enough to win his own ball and is one of the few natural scoring players currently on the team.
I would agree with that BennyHarp. I think wing half back is probably a good place for him to get back to and get his confidence back.
I've heard a lot of people say Donnelly usually played in the FF line and he sure looks strong enough for that position.
I think we'll see a very different style of play from Tyrone in the weeks & hopefully months ahead compared to the vacuum that Donegal make you play in.
Peter Harte is indeed potentially a superb footballer, but you have to go back to last years Division 2 campaign to find a bit of form from him. He doesnt merit a jersey number below 15.
Mattie Donnelly would be a great addition to the full forward line, id agree with that.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 29, 2013, 02:43:39 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on May 29, 2013, 01:34:00 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 29, 2013, 12:58:58 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on May 29, 2013, 12:50:44 PM
A few times on sunday Tyrone seemed to be doing everything right- defending breaking up the field but when they crossed mid field they lost all confidence. Think Tyrone needs to reinvent it's half forward line, There seems to be the same players/type of player getting the start at half forward. I know joe gets name there but then he swaps with Mattie, we are really missing forwards like B Mc Guigan T Mc Guigan C Mc Cullagh or a R Mulgrew type of play maker. Hope Tyrone learn from Sunday.
We are definitely missing a playmaker, ever since CMC left. I was actually hoping that Mulgrew would get a chance this year since he has returned and looks to have filled out, but obviously thats not going to happen. We have no creativity from the middle on, sticking Sean Cavanagh at CHF isn't the answer as he isn't the type of player to bring others into the game, and it actually negates his infulence as he is usually picking the ball up with his back to goal which isn't his strength. I have been saying for a while that its our attack that needs looked at, too many non-scoring forwards in there. In saying that, the one time Tyrone played direct football on Sunday resulted in a great score by McNeice, shame it doesn't happen more often. Ball kicked to Penrose, he turns, skins a man and plays a lovely diagonal ball in front of the forward. No chance for blanket defences to stop that.
Just on a side note to the game from the Tyronnies, what is the feeling on MH taking off the corner forward obviously for picking up a yellow card, protecting the 15 men on the field, yet when PH picked up a yellow there was no sign of the Shepard's hook?
Is this a double standard on something that obviously had been agreed beforehand?
I suppose we would need to know if the yellow card was the reason he was taken off, I think a lot of people assume it was because the commentator alluded to that reason. There were a few others who picked up yellow cards so maybe that wasn't the reason at all. If there is an agreement between the squad and management to that effect, then it is obviously unacceptable to apply double standards. I can't even remember what game it was now but I do remember recently watching a game where someone was taken off just before or after half time due to getting a yellow card, could have been the Tyrone v Dublin or Kildare games. I think in a way it is a strange call as the like of your average corner forward are highly unlikley to pick up another booking.
I think we are all bright enough to know what's going on in the game without having to listen to either BBC or RTE analysts, for a player to be taken off before half time directly after picking up a yellow card is self explanatory in my book. I take on board he is inexperienced and maybe that was reason to prevent the second one, but as we saw with JMcM experience doesnt always help in these situations.
Just thought if it was a rule in the squad for it not to be applied equally might cause issues that's all.
This makes for intresting reading for you sts heads! ???
http://ulster.gaa.ie/2013/05/donegal-v-tyrone-statistical-analysis/
Quote from: Quarterback on May 29, 2013, 03:14:57 PM
This makes for intresting reading for you sts heads! ???
http://ulster.gaa.ie/2013/05/donegal-v-tyrone-statistical-analysis/
When you glance over those stats & charts etc its hard to believe Tyrone were beat
...and well beat at that!
What Darragh O'Se thought of it all from the Irish Times
After the game, I got into the car and drove home without the radio on. I wanted to see Donegal and Tyrone play without knowing a thing about what had happened and the difference between the two games was clear from the start. I had just come from watching Colm Cooper at his majestic best but the space he got in Killarney just didn't exist in Ballybofey.
And if we go back to the couple of times the Tipperary forwards got into space, even that amount wasn't available above in the north. Okay, Donegal maybe managed to manufacture it a few times but the Tyrone players hardly ever saw it.
The speed that the Donegal players funnel back at is incredible. I watched Frank McGlynn at one stage when the ball was turned over and he just put his head down and sprinted back into position.
It's amazing how quickly space disappears in the time it takes for a hop or a solo. If you pause or ponder at all, the shutters come down.
Concentrate so hard
The other thing they do is make you have to think of so many things while you're out on the pitch. You're having to concentrate so hard, all the while putting in such a big physical effort. It's one thing being alert but being alert for 70 minutes when every hit you put in gets returned to you and every turnover sees the ball disappear up the other end, that's what makes it so tough.
Cork lived with them in the All Ireland quarter-final last year for the first half an hour. They scored some fine points against them and had as good a gameplan as any Donegal have been met with yet. But they ground them down mentally. Cork's tactical discipline went before half-time. If you're suiting up for a game against Donegal, you have to accept that you are going to be wrecked and you have to realise that that's what they want. Yes, you will be tired. And no, they're not going to stop running. Have you got it in you to keep making the right decisions?
Donegal and Tyrone gave us exactly the match we were expecting. I said here last week that we should just look at it as a game on its own, with no real repercussions for the rest of the year and that's how they played it. People have decided that Tyrone are gone now but I wouldn't be so sure. They have a couple of months to reignite themselves and to learn from what they did wrong last Sunday.
I'd say young Niall Morgan (pictured above) will never learn a better lesson. I felt sorry for him on Sunday. That was a big long look in the mirror he got for himself and he got it in front of 18,000 people at 21 years of age. Say what you like about him winding up the crowd – which he obviously shouldn't have been at – but there's not many people who can brush off such a public jeering session at such a young age.
To be honest, I was disappointed with Tyrone and with Mickey Harte for not having a Plan B when it came to Morgan. Everybody knew that Donegal were going to target him and you could see Michael Murphy and Rory Kavanagh giving him plenty as he went up to take his kicks. He should have been pre-armed with a plan for what to do if it went wrong. God knows Tyrone were the ones who opened the door on getting in fellas' ears and inside their heads.
Fall-back for Morgan
A player has to be aware of what he did the last day for the simple reason that it's what is going to be foremost in the minds of his opponents. If I ever had a game, say a Munster final against Cork where I caught seven or eight kick-outs, I would always have gone into the All Ireland quarter-final knowing that the Dubs or whoever were going to spend the first half constantly breaking ball in midfield. They were never going to allow me to just do what I'd done the last day.
Tyrone should have had a fall-back for Morgan. Let him chip a quick one into somebody making a run, let somebody else come out and kick it, have Conor Gormley or one of the McMahons go in there and horse Murphy and Kavanagh out of it if they're standing too close. The only thing I saw was one of the Tyrone players pacing off the distance between the ball and the Donegal players. Sure they were laughing at him!
Morgan had his concentration broken and he missed five out of his six kicks. But it's no harm that it happened now. Tyrone have to go the long way round but they will learn along the way. It's a long time till September. Tyrone will be different come the end of the championship, Donegal will be as well. I wouldn't be crowning them just yet.
Quote from: NAG1 on May 29, 2013, 01:34:00 PM
Just on a side note to the game from the Tyronnies, what is the feeling on MH taking off the corner forward obviously for picking up a yellow card, protecting the 15 men on the field, yet when PH picked up a yellow there was no sign of the Shepard's hook?
Is this a double standard on something that obviously had been agreed beforehand?
I had thought that McAliskey was taken off as his tackle showed that he was losing his cool the way he tackled whereas I thought Hartes booking was for a more cynical tackle. He went in to test out McHughs injury. By the same token Joe should have been taken off as he had lost his after his first booking.
Its been said before and i will say it again Tyrone played some of their best football this year without Peter Harte, he slows the game up to much in the half forward line, he is a half back plain and simple. Why not play him the way Donegal play Lacy and let him attack at will or simply drop him to the bench. What Micky is doing at the minute is trying to make a position for him and it aint helping the lad (if i recall he did the same with his own son for so long that the supporters eventually turned on him and booed him off in Omagh). If you have a bad run of games it sometimes does you no harm to be taken out of the spotlight for a while (lets remember Harte is a young lad who so much is expected).
Also what was the point in taking Stephen Oneill out of the full forward line where he has been on fire all year, McAliskey should have been left on, he has a good head on his shoulders and wouldnt have got lined.
Mickey needs to regroup and rethink his gameplan on the off chance they meet Donegal again this year, i would say there is not a pile to fear in the qualifiers, Tyrone will still be there come August.
No harm to u lads, i play P Harte wing half back, with mattie Donnelly at No.6 i think hes got the making of a great centre half back. I dont know what to do about tyrone full back line, none of them look up to it, maybe put Joe McMahon full back and his brother in the corner but both have lost form. What happend Sean 0`Neill who looked to be a great player coming through 2/3yrs ago, hes disappeared? Midfield - Sean Cavangh plus some else, has McKennas lad fell that far down the pecking order hes really never got a chance, plus coney played great stuff at midfield at minor level. Tyrone need to change it around just a wee bit and keep players in the fixed position for the yr instead of constantly moving them all over the field. A player will think hes not good enough for this position with all the moving around they do
Quote from: Orchardman on May 26, 2013, 06:59:41 PM
Must be tough for tyrone, 3 years on the trot getting trounced by donegal. Have jimmy and his army beaten the mighty armagh yet in a champo game??
It's ironic that after all the losses against Armagh over the last 15 years, we end up avoiding them at a time when we'd be in a position to repay them, with interest! I was hoping that if we made it through, we'd meet Armagh this year in the Ulster Final.
Quote from: J70 on May 29, 2013, 07:28:58 PM
Quote from: Orchardman on May 26, 2013, 06:59:41 PM
Must be tough for tyrone, 3 years on the trot getting trounced by donegal. Have jimmy and his army beaten the mighty armagh yet in a champo game??
It's ironic that after all the losses against Armagh over the last 15 years, we end up avoiding them at a time when we'd be in a position to repay them, with interest! I was hoping that if we made it through, we'd meet Armagh this year in the Ulster Final.
We will re group and could still meet each other in the QF!! Fancy a Donegal v Monaghan Ulster final now.
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Karma ;D
Quote from: Orchardman on May 26, 2013, 06:59:41 PM
Must be tough for tyrone, 3 years on the trot getting trounced by donegal. Have jimmy and his army beaten the mighty armagh yet in a champo game??
cavan have ;)