Mayos to lose on todays evidence.
Discuss.
Dubs looked nervous beating the team that lost to the larries . Mayo beat the red and black out the gate . Mayo have developed nicely but yer man injured is a big loss . Up connacht . Mayo can do it .
Quote from: Jinxy on August 04, 2012, 08:45:01 PM
Mayos to lose on todays evidence.
Discuss.
Think they're missing Mickey Whelan, added in Bernard Brogans inconsistent form, none of their other forwards are the same threat, their midfield is just so so but yet their in an AI semi-final. Their defence is still pretty damn good and Mayo wouldn't have the forward fluency to put them under consistent pressure.
Hard to call but would agree on today's evidence Mayo should win but think it will be tight much like tonight's game.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 04, 2012, 08:45:01 PM
Mayos to lose on todays evidence.
Discuss.
Mayo come in untested. Andy Moran injury. Mayo's record in Croker. :P
It has to be Dublin Favourites!
It's Gas that this Stream is started by a Meath man!
This could be a bit of a mini-classic. If Andy Moran isn't available every bit of preparation should be geared towards developing Mayo's inside forwards' awareness, it was a very good performance today but so much went through Andy and a few times other players weren't even prepared for inside passes.
Time for the return of Trevor Mortimer!
Should be a cracker! I hope Moran makes it
Quote from: Sandy Hill on August 04, 2012, 09:17:14 PM
Time for the return of Trevor Mortimer!
Jez, don't start!
I'd actually prefer Trevor.
You'll have neither.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 04, 2012, 11:08:58 PM
You'll have neither.
Neither will you! :-X
Actually there's probably a chance you could have one of them! Madder things have happened. :o
Hopefully we can pull out a performance like we did last year v Tyrone or otherwise we will lose by double digits.Worryingly alot of lads have yet to find form and at least there is now a month to either shape up or ship out.
Getting to an AIF should be motivation enough but maybe the younger lads should be shown some of the gravedancing tv interviews post the 2006 game to give them that little bit of extra incentive at training.
All in all not the worst way to win a 1/4 final game.
We will probably have to get David Brady & McD back for this one ;D
Quote from: Canalman on August 04, 2012, 11:40:53 PM
Hopefully we can pull out a performance like we did last year v Tyrone or otherwise we will lose by double digits.Worryingly alot of lads have yet to find form and at least there is now a month to either shape up or ship out.
Getting to an AIF should be motivation enough but maybe the younger lads should be shown some of the gravedancing tv interviews post the 2006 game to give them that little bit of extra incentive at training.
All in all not the worst way to win a 1/4 final game.
Lets not be silly about this. See what Paddy Power says in the morning. We will need to be a double digit team better to win imo.
Quote from: Canalman on August 04, 2012, 11:40:53 PM
Hopefully we can pull out a performance like we did last year v Tyrone or otherwise we will lose by double digits.Worryingly alot of lads have yet to find form and at least there is now a month to either shape up or ship out.
Getting to an AIF should be motivation enough but maybe the younger lads should be shown some of the gravedancing tv interviews post the 2006 game to give them that little bit of extra incentive at training.
All in all not the worst way to win a 1/4 final game.
Ah yeah, sure Dublin, the perma-hyped All-Ireland champions, will be the ones with the chips on their shoulders. Of course.
Mayo have a huge chance here. It's nearly hard to believe, based on their performances, that Dublin or Mayo will be in the All-Ireland final. I think Dublin are there for the taking but maybe Mayo's forwards, without Moran, will be easy to contain (i.e. stop Alan Dillon). Goals could decide this one. Mayo had a lot of goal chances against us but a combination of good defending and wrong option taking meant they converted none. Down's defence is simply pathetic so you can't read a lot into today.
As long Mayo the handle the hype that comes from a big win they should reach another final but i still think the All Ireland winner is on the other side of the draw.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 05, 2012, 12:48:01 AM
Mayo have a huge chance here. It's nearly hard to believe, based on their performances, that Dublin or Mayo will be in the All-Ireland final. I think Dublin are there for the taking but maybe Mayo's forwards, without Moran, will be easy to contain (i.e. stop Alan Dillon). Goals could decide this one. Mayo had a lot of goal chances against us but a combination of good defending and wrong option taking meant they converted none. Down's defence is simply pathetic so you can't read a lot into today.
Ok. What more did Mayo need to do to make it more believable?
An AI apearance still a big ask but we ve jumped the hurdles in front of us so far. The top 3 are on the other side but ......
And that is the same pathetic Down defense that pundits like Banty and Eamonn O Hara were confident about being good enough a few nights ago. I dunno.
Dublin will be a different animal against Mayo. Alan will be back, Bernard is unlikely to have two such poor games in a row, and Dublin respect Mayo more than they do Laois (from bitter experience). I wouldn't read too much into either team's performance today.
Sure we will probably turn up for the game anyway but having watched a recording of the dublin v's Laois game and having listened to Brolly and O'rourke you would wonder why bother. Jesus the lack of respect they give counties and players is unreal, there they were talking at 1/2 time saying that Mayo probably wouldn't be strong enough to Beat Dublin and this with Laois only 2 points behind. We have nothing to fear, as usual no one gives us respect when we put in a great performance, all that i have heard is that this is a poor Down team yet a couple of weeks ago people were saying how they put it up to Donegal for40-45 minutes.Dublin will be favourites the stadium be be full and the atmosphere should be great roll on the semi-final.Fair play to James and his back room team 2 Connachts's,2 All Ireland semi's and a league Final appearance show the progress that we have made since the John o' Mahony era. On a sidenote do ye reckon it will be hard to get tickets ?
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 05, 2012, 02:16:06 AM
Dublin will be a different animal against Mayo. Alan will be back, Bernard is unlikely to have two such poor games in a row, and Dublin respect Mayo more than they do Laois (from bitter experience). I wouldn't read too much into either team's performance today.
In fairness it will be Mayo and Dublin's biggest test this season. Both had easy provincial wins and handier quarter final draws!
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 05, 2012, 08:30:43 AM
Sure we will probably turn up for the game anyway but having watched a recording of the dublin v's Laois game and having listened to Brolly and O'rourke you would wonder why bother. Jesus the lack of respect they give counties and players is unreal, there they were talking at 1/2 time saying that Mayo probably wouldn't be strong enough to Beat Dublin and this with Laois only 2 points behind. We have nothing to fear, as usual no one gives us respect when we put in a great performance, all that i have heard is that this is a poor Down team yet a couple of weeks ago people were saying how they put it up to Donegal for40-45 minutes.Dublin will be favourites the stadium be be full and the atmosphere should be great roll on the semi-final.Fair play to James and his back room team 2 Connachts's,2 All Ireland semi's and a league Final appearance show the progress that we have made since the John o' Mahony era. On a sidenote do ye reckon it will be hard to get tickets ?
Tickets will easily got, won't be a sell-out.
Mayo have shown a fantastic consistency over the last couple of years yet the nature of GAA analysis is to look at the present for a sound byte and then judge a county by their tradition and their history. It's why counties like Mayo, Kildare, Donegal, don't get the respect they deserve whereas counties like Kerry, Dublin, Galway, Meath even Down are looked upon as the saviours of Gaelic football, just look at the ridiculous hype that followed Meath after one win.
If Kildare lose today, which is probable I really hope Mayo shown their worth on the national stage and rewrite their perceived history and culture.
Any word on Moran's injury?
I honestly think Mayo will beat the Dubs in the semi.
They were extremely impressive yesterday.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 05, 2012, 08:30:43 AM
Sure we will probably turn up for the game anyway but having watched a recording of the dublin v's Laois game and having listened to Brolly and O'rourke you would wonder why bother. Jesus the lack of respect they give counties and players is unreal, there they were talking at 1/2 time saying that Mayo probably wouldn't be strong enough to Beat Dublin and this with Laois only 2 points behind. We have nothing to fear, as usual no one gives us respect when we put in a great performance, all that i have heard is that this is a poor Down team yet a couple of weeks ago people were saying how they put it up to Donegal for40-45 minutes.Dublin will be favourites the stadium be be full and the atmosphere should be great roll on the semi-final.Fair play to James and his back room team 2 Connachts's,2 All Ireland semi's and a league Final appearance show the progress that we have made since the John o' Mahony era. On a sidenote do ye reckon it will be hard to get tickets ?
+1
Almost sick to death this stage at the valiance and pedestals that teams are being put on that dublin are beating, so called better teams have fallen at the 1/4s having previously won the all ireland .......................... I think the lads should stand tall and be proud at there achievements thus far, applying both to mayo and us dubs
This semi will sell out
Dublin v Mayo 8/15 15/2 15/8
Probably realistic odds. Dublin will be raring to go after the hammering they took in castlebar.
For my money they're the second best team in the country after cork and it's all about the squad, serious strength in depth, exactly like cork. Our forwards are still a work in progress, hot one day cold the next, Andy will be a huge loss.
Can't wait for this but I don't expect a win.
Anyone know what date this will be on?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 05, 2012, 12:41:01 PM
Probably realistic odds. Dublin will be raring to go after the hammering they took in castlebar.
For my money they're the second best team in the country after cork and it's all about the squad, serious strength in depth, exactly like cork. Our forwards are still a work in progress, hot one day cold the next, Andy will be a huge loss.
Can't wait for this but I don't expect a win.
Anyone know what date this will be on?
Yeah, odds are spot on! Dublin are All-Ireland Champions and unbeaten in the championship since they lost to Cork (who went on to win AI) by a point in 2010. Mayo are still building (as such) and with Andy out we have our work cut out!
Guys, you will on the basis of the championship so far be tipped by some to beat the Dubs as you so recently did in the league ( a hammering) and the last time in the championship. If you beat us in September there imvho cannot be any type of this "no one gave us a chance" nonsense.
To me anyway it remains to be seen whether Dublin 2012 have another gear to rise to having ambled to the AISFs or whether the past performances are a true indicator of our worth this season. A continuation of our recent form so far this year as I have said already will result in a double digit defeat for us. Will the Dublin in the fog team show up or the rearranged fixture Dublin team make an appearance............who knows?
As I have pointed already the way we lost the 2006 AISF still grates and in this instance (imho again) Mayo don't have the monopoly of the perma-grievance this year.
For me anyhows Dublin never looked in danger of losing to Laois despite the 3 point margin.
Truth be told I would be far the happier to see one of our minor teams win the AI.
Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2012, 08:58:07 PM
This could be a bit of a mini-classic. If Andy Moran isn't available every bit of preparation should be geared towards developing Mayo's inside forwards' awareness, it was a very good performance today but so much went through Andy and a few times other players weren't even prepared for inside passes.
Nail on head.
We re going to be severely limited by Andy s absence. His pop for Doherty for the first goal is something we ve rarely had - til now.
When Freeman came on he nearly always took the wrong option - kicking into blocks etc. When Andy is there he ll be trying to put a finisher like Doherty in. With Freeman a likely replacement Doherty less likely to be in the game at all so it s a massive blow to our chances.
Confirmed that Andy has done his cruciate. Poor fella, he is a fantastic leader and will be a huge loss, but I'm sure he'll stay very much involved and will be doing all he can to encourage the rest of the players.
Statement from @MayoGAA:
Following a scan yesterday evening and a consultation this morning, it has been confirmed that Mayo Senior Football Team Captain Andy Moran has suffered cruciate ligament damage to his knee. Andy Moran has been a real leader on the team all year and will continue to do so. Andy Moran will still play a major role in the Mayo Senior Football team on their All-Ireland campaign this year. We wish Andy a speedy recovery and no doubt will see him back again soon.
The game is on Sunday September 2nd. It really will depend on how much better Dublin will be than they have been so far in the championship. From what I have seen of them (Wexford and Laois games) they are not playing great. But they are All-Ireland champions and are therefore clearly capable of much better. If they bring their 'A' game they will be hard beaten, if they continue the way they have played so far there will be hope for Mayo, even without Andy.
However, in terms of going all the way, without Andy as per Tubberman's post above our chances are very slim.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 05, 2012, 01:47:57 PM
Confirmed that Andy has done his cruciate. Poor fella, he is a fantastic leader and will be a huge loss, but I'm sure he'll stay very much involved and will be doing all he can to encourage the rest of the players.
Statement from @MayoGAA:
Following a scan yesterday evening and a consultation this morning, it has been confirmed that Mayo Senior Football Team Captain Andy Moran has suffered cruciate ligament damage to his knee. Andy Moran has been a real leader on the team all year and will continue to do so. Andy Moran will still play a major role in the Mayo Senior Football team on their All-Ireland campaign this year. We wish Andy a speedy recovery and no doubt will see him back again soon.
Awful news, I was watching the game at home and could hear the roar he gave out and guessed then he'd done his cruciate. Best wishes for a full and speedy recovery.
Sad to hear Andy's out. Not only one of the modern game's best players but an absolute gent to boot.
Huge, huge barometer test for the inside forward line now that The Mort and Andy aren't available. Mayo have a shot not just at beating Dublin but at winning the All-Ireland this year. It's time for the likes of Conroy, Varley, Doherty and Freeman to prove big enough for the stage.
Good luck lads, I genuinely would love to see Mayo go all the way.
Mayo have a great chance here, going in as underdogs. Would be great to see Donegal or Mayo win Sam.
Dublin have really only played 1 decent half of football in the last 3 games and they looked bereft of leadership in the closing stages of the last 2 games.Bernard Brogan could come to life next day out but if Mayo can keep him frustrated they are in with a real shout.
Will there be a toss of a coin to see who gets the hill this time?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=mGs-0u1E3uw
The Dubs will take this by 5+.
Quote from: Orangemac on August 05, 2012, 11:36:06 PM
Mayo have a great chance here, going in as underdogs. Would be great to see Donegal or Mayo win Sam.
Dublin have really only played 1 decent half of football in the last 3 games and they looked bereft of leadership in the closing stages of the last 2 games.Bernard Brogan could come to life next day out but if Mayo can keep him frustrated they are in with a real shout.
Will there be a toss of a coin to see who gets the hill this time?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=mGs-0u1E3uw
Look it s not going to be that simple. Mayo would need to be way better to win this because of the xtra curricular stuff. Like 06 we were in control until McGarrity assault and then the musical chairs of blood subs around Whelan. We produced one of the great end games to win it against the head but I hear Dub lads talk of that Mayo win still grating. Ffs I never remember being beaten so beautifully. That s beyond belief.
We ll have to win it against the head/ref again the next day. End of. I m not complaining - just the way it is for the top teams.
Quote from: ONeill on August 05, 2012, 11:51:25 PM
The Dubs will take this by 5+.
Dubs -2 at evens with Paddy Power.
Mayo definite favorites for this.
Very impressive disposing of a tight marking aggressive Down team who didnt give up.
Mayo Beat us comfortably in the league and thats of huge significance
Mayo v Cork final with Cork winning it
Quote from: heffo on August 06, 2012, 09:36:17 AM
Mayo definite favorites for this.
Very impressive disposing of a tight marking aggressive Down team who didnt give up.
Mayo Beat us comfortably in the league and thats of huge significance
Mayo v Cork final with Cork winning it
Good man, always good to start the day with a laugh :) :)
Quote from: heffo on August 06, 2012, 09:36:17 AM
Mayo definite favorites for this.
Very impressive disposing of a tight marking aggressive Down team who didnt give up.
Mayo Beat us comfortably in the league and thats of huge significance
Mayo v Cork final with Cork winning it
Yerra..... ;D
Quote from: heffo on August 06, 2012, 09:36:17 AM
Mayo definite favorites for this.
Very impressive disposing of a tight marking aggressive Down team who didnt give up.
Mayo Beat us comfortably in the league and thats of huge significance
Mayo v Cork final with Cork winning it
Jays, could've sworn it was you saying the league has no significance on the championship. Cop on FFS, we won't take that bait! :) Nice try though.
Quote from: heffo on August 06, 2012, 09:36:17 AM
Mayo definite favorites for this.
Very impressive disposing of a tight marking aggressive Down team who didnt give up.
Mayo Beat us comfortably in the league and thats of huge significance
Mayo v Cork final with Cork winning it
Fair play to ya, Heffo. Let it never be said that I can't agree with you. ;D
Mind you, I'd give Mayo a sporting chance if Andy Moran was fit but our only hope now is that the Dubs don't hit form. That's a real possibility alright but it's for the Dubs to lose rather than for Mayo to win.
I think the AI will be going to Cork or Donegal.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 06, 2012, 10:17:48 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 06, 2012, 09:36:17 AM
Mayo definite favorites for this.
Very impressive disposing of a tight marking aggressive Down team who didnt give up.
Mayo Beat us comfortably in the league and thats of huge significance
Mayo v Cork final with Cork winning it
Jays, could've sworn it was you saying the league has no significance on the championship. Cop on FFS, we won't take that bait! :) Nice try though.
Wish we were favourites.
Wish Andy hadn t got injured.
Wish Harte was fit and able to make a contribution.
Wish Conoreen hadn t decided to become a spectator at neutral games instead.
Wish McGarrity had his 06 form and Seamus O Sé was flying.
Wish McDanger was 6 years younger.
Wish Michael Walsh and McHale were given a run the last day.
Wish we had somebody who could play 14 now that Andy is gone. But we dont - might as well retire the jersey until he comes back.
Wish we could play the semi in McHale Park.
I d love if we had some/most of the above. Wouldn t give a shite about being favourites if we had.
Wish I didn t have to go back to work.
Quote from: heffo on August 06, 2012, 09:36:17 AM
Mayo definite favorites for this.
Very impressive disposing of a tight marking aggressive Down team who didnt give up.
Mayo Beat us comfortably in the league and thats of huge significanceMayo v Cork final with Cork winning it
More coal for that fire quickly!!
Weak effort at cute hoorism heffo !
Dublin to rough Mayo up in the first 15 minutes, much more physical side. Same result as every other year then. Dublin with the handicap look a good bet.
Quote from: Bensars on August 06, 2012, 10:36:44 AM
Weak effort at cute hoorism heffo !
Dublin to rough Mayo up in the first 15 minutes, much more physical side. Same result as every other year then. Dublin with the handicap look a good bet.
Ah the old stereotypes just wont go away.
The durty Dubs v sweet innocent delicate Mayo ::)
Quote from: Bensars on August 06, 2012, 10:36:44 AM
Weak effort at cute hoorism heffo !
Dublin to rough Mayo up in the first 15 minutes, much more physical side. Same result as every other year then. Dublin with the handicap look a good bet.
What result is that?
Correct.
Its time Mayo grew a pair. The underachievement is stiffling given their easy progression in Connaught to the business end of the championship.
Dont think Dublin are dirty at all. If anything they concentrate more on football now and have minimised the off the ball stuff. However they are undoubtedly better conditioned than several years ago and their phyiscality has improved considerably.
Saying all that Mayo can be lovely in the summer !
Quote from: Bensars on August 06, 2012, 10:52:24 AM
Correct.
Its time Mayo grew a pair. The underachievement is stiffling given their easy progression in Connaught to the business end of the championship.
Dont think Dublin are dirty at all. If anything they concentrate more on football now and have minimised the off the ball stuff. However they are undoubtedly better conditioned than several years ago and their phyiscality has improved considerably.
Saying all that Mayo can be lovely in the summer !
What are you talking about? Have you actually watched Mayo over the last couple of years?
Balls is not something they are lacking and I don't think they are underachieving either.
Are you basing your vague post on the stereotype that's been hanging around since the mid-90s?
Musha ná bac leis. Tá níos mo againn bheith buartha faoi anois, is brón liom a rá.
Quote from: Bensars on August 06, 2012, 10:36:44 AM
Weak effort at cute hoorism heffo !
Dublin to rough Mayo up in the first 15 minutes, much more physical side. Same result as every other year then. Dublin with the handicap look a good bet.
You a ghost writer for that idiot McGee??
Quote from: sans pessimism on August 06, 2012, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: Bensars on August 06, 2012, 10:36:44 AM
Weak effort at cute hoorism heffo !
Dublin to rough Mayo up in the first 15 minutes, much more physical side. Same result as every other year then. Dublin with the handicap look a good bet.
You a ghost writer for that idiot McGee??
Very Funny! ;D
oh how Eugene spins the same tales every year. He probably thinks the two Blonde lads (what's their names again?) are still playing for Mayo! Eugene still thinks Mayo have never won a game in Croker as he talks about the Croke Park Factor when Mayo play in a Quarter and Semi finals.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 06, 2012, 03:21:47 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on August 06, 2012, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: Bensars on August 06, 2012, 10:36:44 AM
Weak effort at cute hoorism heffo !
Dublin to rough Mayo up in the first 15 minutes, much more physical side. Same result as every other year then. Dublin with the handicap look a good bet.
You a ghost writer for that idiot McGee??
Very Funny! ;D
oh how Eugene spins the same tales every year. He probably thinks the two Blonde lads (what's their names again?) are still playing for Mayo! Eugene still thinks Mayo have never won a game in Croker as he talks about the Croke Park Factor when Mayo play in a Quarter and Semi finals.
Miserable ould f**ker. He had a bit about 3 of the 1/4 final matches. Left ours out of course because he couldn t find enough negative shite to write about us I suppose. p***k.
Horan has the head stuff in order even if the fans have the traditional nihilism. It might as well be this year . You make your own luck . Why not Mayo?
Surely there'll be a stempede for the return of the mort now that poor Moran is out.
Time to bury the hatchet, Conoreen. Your county needs you!
Quote from: rrhf on August 06, 2012, 04:39:10 PM
Surely there'll be a stempede for the return of the mort now that poor Moran is out.
Time to bury the hatchet, Conoreen. Your county needs you!
Is that the sound of hooves I hear? er no.
Wont and cant happen.
Quote from: rrhf on August 06, 2012, 04:39:10 PM
Surely there'll be a stempede for the return of the mort now that poor Moran is out.
Time to bury the hatchet, Conoreen. Your county needs you!
Doubt it....Doubt there'll even be a STAMPEDE!
Quote from: rrhf on August 06, 2012, 04:39:10 PM
Surely there'll be a stempede for the return of the mort now that poor Moran is out.
Time to bury the hatchet, Conoreen. Your county needs you!
Mort can't do what Andy did for the team. We have other players who can do much the same as Conor can, so I can't see there being a big move made to get him back on board.
The performances Dublin delivered v Laois,Meath,Wexford won't be good enough to defeat Mayo. It's intriguing semi final one which Mayo have excellent chance of reaching another All Ireland final.
Quote from: seafoid on August 06, 2012, 04:24:33 PM
Horan has the head stuff in order even if the fans have the traditional nihilism. It might as well be this year . You make your own luck . Why not Mayo?
In fairness Seafoid, the nihilism is well gone.
Would have been very confident of victory with Moran. Without him it remains to be seen .... depends on if anyone else can step up in training etc. in the next few weeks
Apart from his mother and only one of the brothers no one wants him back
What ever about Mortimer, it's time to bring Kilcoyne back. A far better player than three of the lads been chosen at the moment, and has been right in form all year. I know a couple of lads on the panel and they are baffled as to why he is not involved. He is no Gooch I will admit, but he is a hell of a lot better than our other options. The last day was the third game in a row where our other forward options have been shown up as not been good enough. Blocked shots, dropping the balls into the goalies hand when Down were a dead duck, was very worrying.
Why is Horan not picking players on form. ....Kilcoyne has played well this year and it would not take much to get him back from across the water.
Feeney to get a start the next day as well I hope........might even be a half forward option, but then again James might not have forgiven him yet. Mayo have not got the strength in depth to win an All-Ireland without our best players on the field. I hope Horan does not do a Maughan on it..........
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 06, 2012, 10:29:47 PM
What ever about Mortimer, it's time to bring Kilcoyne back. A far better player than three of the lads been chosen at the moment, and has been right in form all year. I know a couple of lads on the panel and they are baffled as to why he is not involved. He is no Gooch I will admit, but he is a hell of a lot better than our other options. The last day was the third game in a row where our other forward options have been shown up as not been good enough. Blocked shots, dropping the balls into the goalies hand when Down were a dead duck, was very worrying.
Why is Horan not picking players on form. ....Kilcoyne has played well this year and it would not take much to get him back from across the water.
Feeney to get a start the next day as well I hope........might even be a half forward option, but then again James might not have forgiven him yet. Mayo have not got the strength in depth to win an All-Ireland without our best players on the field. I hope Horan does not do a Maughan on it..........
I haven't seen Kilcoyne play this year so won't comment on his form, but I don't think it's realistic to bringing fella into the panel at this stage when they're not even based in the country.
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Quote from: Tubberman on August 06, 2012, 11:16:52 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 06, 2012, 10:29:47 PM
What ever about Mortimer, it's time to bring Kilcoyne back. A far better player than three of the lads been chosen at the moment, and has been right in form all year. I know a couple of lads on the panel and they are baffled as to why he is not involved. He is no Gooch I will admit, but he is a hell of a lot better than our other options. The last day was the third game in a row where our other forward options have been shown up as not been good enough. Blocked shots, dropping the balls into the goalies hand when Down were a dead duck, was very worrying.
Why is Horan not picking players on form. ....Kilcoyne has played well this year and it would not take much to get him back from across the water.
Feeney to get a start the next day as well I hope........might even be a half forward option, but then again James might not have forgiven him yet. Mayo have not got the strength in depth to win an All-Ireland without our best players on the field. I hope Horan does not do a Maughan on it..........
I haven't seen Kilcoyne play this year so won't comment on his form, but I don't think it's realistic to bringing fella into the panel at this stage when they're not even based in the country.
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He should have been on the panel all year never mind now and has been in the country until very recently. Players have been brought into the panel as the year has gone on, McGarrity been a case in point.
Mortimer, Moran, Harte, Cambell are four forwards gone from the panel for various reasons in recent times. Add in another 3 who are playing poorly then Horan needs to have good look around. Was there not some very recent additions to the panel????? No one will convince me that there are 13 or 14 better forwards in the County than Kilcoyne.
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 06, 2012, 11:33:35 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 06, 2012, 11:16:52 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 06, 2012, 10:29:47 PM
What ever about Mortimer, it's time to bring Kilcoyne back. A far better player than three of the lads been chosen at the moment, and has been right in form all year. I know a couple of lads on the panel and they are baffled as to why he is not involved. He is no Gooch I will admit, but he is a hell of a lot better than our other options. The last day was the third game in a row where our other forward options have been shown up as not been good enough. Blocked shots, dropping the balls into the goalies hand when Down were a dead duck, was very worrying.
Why is Horan not picking players on form. ....Kilcoyne has played well this year and it would not take much to get him back from across the water.
Feeney to get a start the next day as well I hope........might even be a half forward option, but then again James might not have forgiven him yet. Mayo have not got the strength in depth to win an All-Ireland without our best players on the field. I hope Horan does not do a Maughan on it..........
I haven't seen Kilcoyne play this year so won't comment on his form, but I don't think it's realistic to bringing fella into the panel at this stage when they're not even based in the country.
He should have been on the panel all year never mind now and has been in the country until very recently. Players have been brought into the panel as the year has gone on, McGarrity been a case in point.
Mortimer, Moran, Harte, Cambell are four forwards gone from the panel for various reasons in recent times. Add in another 3 who are playing poorly then Horan needs to have good look around. Was there not some very recent additions to the panel????? No one will convince me that there are 13 or 14 better forwards in the County than Kilcoyne.
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There is no team of the last four counties left bringing players into the panel. Jez what would that say to the group assembled over the year? Thanks for your commitment, but there's a lad better than most of you and we are just going to parachute him in. He knows feck all about what we have been preaching over the last couple of months, but we'll take the chance he can take a crash course. Look we'll make do with what we have. They may have some limitations, but there is a team ethic to adhere to and that starts with management treating them like team, not individuals. Would be totally unfair on Kilcoyne as well, as there would be unreal expectations on a player if this did happen.
I heard of a player been drafted in very recently so hence my comments. 4 forwards have gone from the panel in the past month.......if no players are added then we don't even have enough lads to play a 15 a side A v's B game in training do we not? What if more lads get injured in the coming weeks?
Have been impressed by Mayo all year and they were very good on Sat. Very sorry to hear that Moran has fallen victim to the cruciate curse , will be a big loss. Dublin are in a semi-final without having played that well which says something about every other team out there - vintage era my arse. Think it could be a good game myself and hopefully Alan will be back. I'd like to think we can push on a bit but we certainly don't look as if we could beat Donegal or Cork.
Has anyone ever had such an easy route to an AI semi than Mayo have had this year?
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
Has anyone ever had such an easy route to an AI semi than Mayo have had this year?
Yeah it used to happen every other year in the 70s/80s 90s till the backdoor was introduced . Mayo had a very tough game v Sligo btw.
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Has anyone ever had such an easy route to an AI semi than Mayo have had this year?
Aye loads .
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
Has anyone ever had such an easy route to an AI semi than Mayo have had this year?
Probably been the easiest route to the semis alright of the four teams left although Dublin's probably isn't too far behind it.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
Has anyone ever had such an easy route to an AI semi than Mayo have had this year?
Did you not read any of the pre-match articles before the Down game, the general opinion was a very tight game, with only one pundit going for Mayo, Mayo come out and blow Down apart, playing well and putting up a great score, now the mood has changed to Down are shite, ye cant have it everyway. Mayo can only play the teams laid out for them, as for easy......... look pre-back door.........
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Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
Has anyone ever had such an easy route to an AI semi than Mayo have had this year?
Did you not read any of the pre-match articles before the Down game, the general opinion was a very tight game, with only one pundit going for Mayo, Mayo come out and blow Down apart, playing well and putting up a great score, now the mood has changed to Down are shite, ye cant have it everyway. Mayo can only play the teams laid out for them, as for easy......... look pre-back door.........
That might be hard for some up that way.....
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
Has anyone ever had such an easy route to an AI semi than Mayo have had this year?
Yep, Cork for one.
Mayo had one easy and one hard game on their way to the Quarters, while Cork had one hard and one easy to get to the same place. Same difference.
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Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
Has anyone ever had such an easy route to an AI semi than Mayo have had this year?
Yep, Cork for one.
Mayo had one easy and one hard game on their way to the Quarters, while Cork had one hard and one easy to get to the same place. Same difference.
Are you comparing Sligo to Kerry?
;D
didnt kerry just have to play clare in 97 to get to the semifinals?
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Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
Has anyone ever had such an easy route to an AI semi than Mayo have had this year?
Yep, Cork for one.
Mayo had one easy and one hard game on their way to the Quarters, while Cork had one hard and one easy to get to the same place. Same difference.
Are you comparing Sligo to Kerry?
;D
Sure any team Mayo beat in Croke Park must be fairly useless, isn't that how the theory goes.
Typical crap being spouted by pundits/analysts. Before the weekend Donegal had given Down a hiding in the Ulster final and were being tipped as All Ireland contenders. We hammer Down and it's more along the lines of "Down were poor" and "Mayo had the handy route". Amazing how two teams defeat the same opposition by similar margins and 2 completely different opinions are cast of them. Sure I suppose we should expect nothing else from the "experts" at this stage.
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Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
Has anyone ever had such an easy route to an AI semi than Mayo have had this year?
Yep, Cork for one.
Mayo had one easy and one hard game on their way to the Quarters, while Cork had one hard and one easy to get to the same place. Same difference.
Are you comparing Sligo to Kerry?
;D
Sure any team Mayo beat in Croke Park must be fairly useless, isn't that how the theory goes.
Is this the theory that Mayo lads seem to be the ones who talk about it the most?
Down did collapse pretty spectacularly after a good Mayo team went well ahead. Both Dublin and Mayo have certainly experienced what Down experienced in the not too distant past.
With Kerry gone, I think Mayo can safely forgot about their Croke Park hoodoo. They must have a pretty decent Croker record against the other 3 teams left. Have they beaten all 3 in their last Croker championship meetings?
Should be a great game. Always look forward to playing the Dubs in a big game in Croker, the place is always rocking when ever they're are involved this late in the championship.
From a Mayo perspective we have a huge hole to fill with Andy's injury. He was central to our attack plan but one man's misfortune is anothers opportunity! It looks at the moment as if Alan Freeman is the man in line to make the step up but a lot could happen in the next few weeks. I hope he gets his chance cause I think he's definitely got the talent to take this opportunity. What we will have to do if he's picked is vary the ball into the fullforward line to take the pressure off him cause it's obvious his confidence is at a low ebb at the moment. If we pick Cillian and Mick Conroy either side of him the I think they are both well able to win their own ball. Also Dillion's workload will increase but sure he seems to be enjoying his football at the moment and Croker suits him so I'd have no worries about him stepping up. Dillion , Mcloughlin and O'Connor will be our key men up front and if the Dubs tie these three to any extent I think they'll be half way there to putting us out.
For the Dubs they have the opposite to us in that Alan Brogan should be back for them. When fit ,this season and last, he's definitely turned into the player he always promised to be and more. A fully fit Brogan will be a handful for any of the teams left and how we deal with him will be a top priority. Personally I give Lee Keegan the job and move Donie onto Paul Flynn another man who's key for the Dubs and we'll need to curtail. Kevin Nolan has to be up there with Flynn as the top performing Dub in the championship to date. He's been a real warrior and popped up with some great rallying scores in the last two games so who we pick at centre forward is going to be key.
It's too tight to call and while the heart says Mayo I just don't know but I do think Dubs are being harshly written off at the moment and I wouldn't question their hunger to rubber stamp their place in history with back to back All Ireland titles. It'll probably boil down to how we deal with Brogan and the loss of Andy and I can't wait.
Mhaigheo Abu
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 07, 2012, 02:12:44 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
Has anyone ever had such an easy route to an AI semi than Mayo have had this year?
Yep, Cork for one.
Mayo had one easy and one hard game on their way to the Quarters, while Cork had one hard and one easy to get to the same place. Same difference.
Are you comparing Sligo to Kerry?
;D
Sure any team Mayo beat in Croke Park must be fairly useless, isn't that how the theory goes.
Is this the theory that Mayo lads seem to be the ones who talk about it the most?
Down did collapse pretty spectacularly after a good Mayo team went well ahead. Both Dublin and Mayo have certainly experienced what Down experienced in the not too distant past.
With Kerry gone, I think Mayo can safely forgot about their Croke Park hoodoo. They must have a pretty decent Croker record against the other 3 teams left. Have they beaten all 3 in their last Croker championship meetings?
Donegal bet us in 1992 and I think that was our last meeting in the championship
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Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
Has anyone ever had such an easy route to an AI semi than Mayo have had this year?
Yep, Cork for one.
Mayo had one easy and one hard game on their way to the Quarters, while Cork had one hard and one easy to get to the same place. Same difference.
Are you comparing Sligo to Kerry?
;D
Sure any team Mayo beat in Croke Park must be fairly useless, isn't that how the theory goes.
Is this the theory that Mayo lads seem to be the ones who talk about it the most?
Down did collapse pretty spectacularly after a good Mayo team went well ahead. Both Dublin and Mayo have certainly experienced what Down experienced in the not too distant past.
With Kerry gone, I think Mayo can safely forgot about their Croke Park hoodoo. They must have a pretty decent Croker record against the other 3 teams left. Have they beaten all 3 in their last Croker championship meetings?
Donegal bet us in 1992 and I think that was our last meeting in the championship
And beat us in league final in 2007. We have a poor record against them actually.
Donegal are a major bogey team for us in fact. They hammered us in Ballyshannon in the league this year. One of the flattest performances since Horan took over.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 07, 2012, 03:56:52 PM
Donegal are a major bogey team for us in fact. They hammered us in Ballyshannon in the league this year. One of the flattest performances since Horan took over.
Down beat us as well ;)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 07, 2012, 03:56:52 PM
Donegal are a major bogey team for us in fact. They hammered us in Ballyshannon in the league this year. One of the flattest performances since Horan took over.
Were you in Ballyshannon deelin?
id love whelan and brady to tog out for this one ;D
Quote from: TyrionLannister on August 07, 2012, 04:28:22 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 07, 2012, 03:56:52 PM
Donegal are a major bogey team for us in fact. They hammered us in Ballyshannon in the league this year. One of the flattest performances since Horan took over.
Were you in Ballyshannon deelin?
He was I think and so was I. It was a bloodbath. We did better in a challenge in Swinford against them in May.
And they hammered us in Ballyshannon with only 14 players for 50 mins :o :o
They battered us in midfield but the real rot set in from our ff line after we started fairly well and Varley had scored a Jimmy Burke type goal. We couldn t hold onto the ball and Donegal moved it back the length of the pitch. With 20 to go we were practically handing the ball back to them everywhere. A nightmare and we recovered well from it.
With Andy gone it s a recurring nightmare now. I m finding it hard to see us patch up that full forward line to make it competitive. There are options but I m not convinced by any of them to be honest.
I heard we were like a beaten dressing room after the Down match as the enormity of the implications of Andy s injury sank in. The Irish Times report suggests that Horan was fairly depressed by it and I dont blame. Morale cant be great at training tonight. We badly need a boost from somewhere and maybe the gloom will lift over the next couple of weeks. Right now I m not really looking forward to this one.
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Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
Has anyone ever had such an easy route to an AI semi than Mayo have had this year?
Yep, Cork for one.
Mayo had one easy and one hard game on their way to the Quarters, while Cork had one hard and one easy to get to the same place. Same difference.
Are you comparing Sligo to Kerry?
;D
Sure any team Mayo beat in Croke Park must be fairly useless, isn't that how the theory goes.
Is this the theory that Mayo lads seem to be the ones who talk about it the most?
Down did collapse pretty spectacularly after a good Mayo team went well ahead. Both Dublin and Mayo have certainly experienced what Down experienced in the not too distant past.
With Kerry gone, I think Mayo can safely forgot about their Croke Park hoodoo. They must have a pretty decent Croker record against the other 3 teams left. Have they beaten all 3 in their last Croker championship meetings?
Donegal bet us in 1992 and I think that was our last meeting in the championship
And beat us in league final in 2007. We have a poor record against them actually.
Yip Kerry used be the team that made me most nervous in the Championship and Donegal the team that always does us in the league. I know the league is not the greatest indicator, but alot of recent beatings at the hands of Donegal in the league has to be a better indicator than the 1992 Championship Semi-Final (both however do suggest advantage Donegal).
* Dublin are the ones we have to beat and whoever wins from Dublin V Mayo have to be as concerned about Cork as Donegal at this point in time.
Quote from: moysider on August 07, 2012, 04:45:56 PM
I heard we were like a beaten dressing room after the Down match as the enormity of the implications of Andy s injury sank in. The Irish Times report suggests that Horan was fairly depressed by it and I dont blame. Morale cant be great at training tonight. We badly need a boost from somewhere and maybe the gloom will lift over the next couple of weeks. Right now I m not really looking forward to this one.
I was about 6 rows away from Andy when it happened and it was fairly sickening. Hoped it was a medial ligament but feared the worst. Awful for Andy, he'll be gone for the full year, met a few Ballagh lads after and they were even more sickened than me.
Freeman is able to win a ball but just doesn't have the vision that Andy has, take the pop pass for Doc's goal or the quick pass for the 3rd goal.
I'd say i'm one of the few Mayo lads who has seen Dublin in 3 championship games( Wex,Meath,Laois), Alan Brogan back for them is huge. They don't have the same bite as last year that being said and I think we'll give them a right rattle, no fear of them anyways.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 07, 2012, 04:39:08 PM
id love whelan and brady to tog out for this one ;D
Whelan seems a much sounder lad on the tv than he ever did on a football pitch. I really rather see Andy Moran and Alan Brogan play, they both would light up Croke Park.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 07, 2012, 03:56:52 PM
Donegal are a major bogey team for us in fact. They hammered us in Ballyshannon in the league this year. One of the flattest performances since Horan took over.
Were you in Ballyshannon deelin?
He was I think and so was I. It was a bloodbath. We did better in a challenge in Swinford against them in May.
And they hammered us in Ballyshannon with only 14 players for 50 mins :o :o
They battered us in midfield but the real rot set in from our ff line after we started fairly well and Varley had scored a Jimmy Burke type goal. We couldn t hold onto the ball and Donegal moved it back the length of the pitch. With 20 to go we were practically handing the ball back to them everywhere. A nightmare and we recovered well from it.
With Andy gone it s a recurring nightmare now. I m finding it hard to see us patch up that full forward line to make it competitive. There are options but I m not convinced by any of them to be honest.
I heard we were like a beaten dressing room after the Down match as the enormity of the implications of Andy s injury sank in. The Irish Times report suggests that Horan was fairly depressed by it and I dont blame. Morale cant be great at training tonight. We badly need a boost from somewhere and maybe the gloom will lift over the next couple of weeks. Right now I m not really looking forward to this one.
Moysider I was the same after the Down match. A few of the lads could not believe how down (no pun intended) I was after we hammered Down, they were "cheer the f**k up lad, ye just won by 12 points, ffs". But it still felt like we had lost, without Andy. But I think there are plenty of leaders in that team now, and Andy will be there to inspire them. We have a good set of forwards now, and its a brilliant opportunity for the other lads to step up. F**k it, it could be the moment we build for an AI next year or the one after, a great team would have a back up for the likes of Andy, maybe this is our chance to find ours.
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I heard we were like a beaten dressing room after the Down match as the enormity of the implications of Andy s injury sank in. The Irish Times report suggests that Horan was fairly depressed by it and I dont blame. Morale cant be great at training tonight. We badly need a boost from somewhere and maybe the gloom will lift over the next couple of weeks. Right now I m not really looking forward to this one.
Moran was smiling and joking with the rest of his team mates on Saturday night i was surprised he wasn't more down after a injury like but i guess he believes in team to deliver without him.
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I heard we were like a beaten dressing room after the Down match as the enormity of the implications of Andy s injury sank in. The Irish Times report suggests that Horan was fairly depressed by it and I dont blame. Morale cant be great at training tonight. We badly need a boost from somewhere and maybe the gloom will lift over the next couple of weeks. Right now I m not really looking forward to this one.
Moran was smiling and joking with the rest of his team mates on Saturday night i was surprised he wasn't more down after a injury like but i guess he believes in team to deliver without him.
I think he might be of the opinion that Mayo aren't a one trick pony and its begining to feel that way a little, but lets see what the current All-Ireland Champions have to say about that first.
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I heard we were like a beaten dressing room after the Down match as the enormity of the implications of Andy s injury sank in. The Irish Times report suggests that Horan was fairly depressed by it and I dont blame. Morale cant be great at training tonight. We badly need a boost from somewhere and maybe the gloom will lift over the next couple of weeks. Right now I m not really looking forward to this one.
Moran was smiling and joking with the rest of his team mates on Saturday night i was surprised he wasn't more down after a injury like but i guess he believes in team to deliver without him.
I think he might be of the opinion that Mayo aren't a one trick pony and its begining to feel that way a little, but lets see what the current All-Ireland Champions have to say about that first.
It's his leadership your going to miss more than anything else. I remember the Ruislip game last year everything was going wrong but Andy carried you through. Mayo have come along way since that game Horan and the players deserve immense praise.
Andy will be a massive loss, i doubt you'll get anyone disputing that, it is very tough on him, a great lad , fantastic footballer , as good an ambassador for Mayo as captain as you could ever wish for.
How can there be any positive in this , the only thing is i think he will become a massive influence in team spirit and guidance and that will be to Mayos benefit. He is a fantastic individual but the vibe i've always got off Andy was , it's all about the team , his determination will be the same for Mayo s progress.
Dublin are very beatable , they've dragged a few results out this year , the opposition they've faced all lacked belief. Like a lot of games this could be won in midfield, Barry Moran is having a faultless season so far, AoS is more than capable of a big performance. It's anyones guess how we will set up the forwards for the next one, personally i'd like to see Seamie o Se at 11 and Coc maybe at 14.
Whatever way horan decides to set up the startin 15 , i'll have faith in it, he has hardly put a foot wrong so far. If we can burst that dublin net a couple of times, i reckon will pull this off. Really proud of Mayo of late, great spirit about this set up.
Lads, hearing loads of rumours from different people that 2/3 players have been ask to join the Mayo squad. Probably bull!
There are posters over on the Hogan stand :) saying that a certain Crossmolina forward was invited on to the panel but declined.It probably is B.S . but just wondering who the other players are?
Quote from: maigheo on August 07, 2012, 10:20:18 PM
There are posters over on the Hogan stand :) saying that a certain Crossmolina forward was invited on to the panel but declined.It probably is B.S . but just wondering who the other players are?
Probably Willie joe and jinkin Joe .
Anyone watchin this team evolve should know better than to read that rubbish. JH & Co have a job to do and I assume are hard at work, FFS forget about the history channel. Is kirby home from Chicago?
Great to be in back to back Semis, haven't done that since 96 / 97 I'd say?
Yeah Down were poor but perhaps they were made look poor. I saw them in the league and even though they beat us, they looked poor that day - mighty forwards but no midfield or backs that evening.
Moran is a huge loss but I thought Dillon was our best player on Saturday and would possibly have been a bigger loss - everything went through him, he really drove at the Down backs and played in some great ball. Without Andy to win it though, we could struggle. On the other hand, it gives some other lads on the panel the opportunity to step up to the plate and show that they're good enough.
Good enough to beat Dublin? Depends on which Dublin shows up - the Dublin of recent games or the Dublin of last September. We're good enough to beat the former but not the latter on evidence to date. Interesting that the odds have shortened from 8/15 in to 1/2 already and I'd say they could shorten further. I fear we could dominate possession, fail to put them away on the scoreboard and get hit by a late sucker
Honestly, I think Donegal or Cork will win it but it would be great to have a shot at it......
I m still gutted. There is no silver lining to this cloud.
Samuel Beckett must have been a Mayoman. ' you must go on, I can't go on, I ll go on'
Samuel would know how I feel. Pity he died.
Quote from: moysider on August 08, 2012, 12:30:34 AM
I m still gutted. There is no silver lining to this cloud.
Samuel Beckett must have been a Mayoman. ' you must go on, I can't go on, I ll go on'
Samuel would know how I feel. Pity he died.
Stuff the begrudgers moy, we ain't bet yet!
If Jimmy Horan is half the man I think he is, he'll have fifteen on that field at any given time that'll ask no quarter and show no white feather from beginning to end.
From goalie out to midfield, all the lads have been doing what can be expected of them and a fair bit more besides.
Up front, Dillon is back to his best, McLoughlin is flying and Conroy is finding his feet at long last. Same goes for O'Connor and indeed the same can be said for the others who started and, for that matter, those who came on last Saturday as well.
Gan dabht ar bith, Andy's absence will be felt but it doesn't necessarily mean that we're a beaten docket before the off.
Strength in adversity is the name of the game now.
You know as well as I do that when a team has a man put off, the others can raise their game and, as often as not, can overcome the deficiency through grit and determination alone. Andy won't be playing next day but I'm certain that those who are can raise their game and will do so for him as well as for themselves and their county.
It's game on, moy, not game over.
Keep the faith!
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I heard we were like a beaten dressing room after the Down match as the enormity of the implications of Andy s injury sank in. The Irish Times report suggests that Horan was fairly depressed by it and I dont blame. Morale cant be great at training tonight. We badly need a boost from somewhere and maybe the gloom will lift over the next couple of weeks. Right now I m not really looking forward to this one.
Moran was smiling and joking with the rest of his team mates on Saturday night i was surprised he wasn't more down after a injury like but i guess he believes in team to deliver without him.
From everything I know Andy's a very positive lad and he'd know the worst thing he could do after the loss of himself would be to be causing more worry than is already there. I'm sure he's gutted but a leader doesn't pass their ills on to others.
Who would be the best distributor of Varley, Doherty, Freeman and Varley? They won't win the amount of ball Andy does or pose as much of a threat but it'll be key that whoever does has the vision to provide good ball for the other forwards.
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Quote from: maigheo on August 07, 2012, 10:20:18 PM
There are posters over on the Hogan stand :) saying that a certain Crossmolina forward was invited on to the panel but declined.It probably is B.S . but just wondering who the other players are?
Probably Willie joe and jinkin Joe .
Paddy Prendergast is standin by the phone at his
home in Tralee. He's 87 so he's probably only good for
the last 20
Quote from: moysider on August 08, 2012, 12:30:34 AM
I m still gutted. There is no silver lining to this cloud.
Samuel Beckett must have been a Mayoman. ' you must go on, I can't go on, I ll go on'
Samuel would know how I feel. Pity he died.
Jasus Moy ya'll give yerself a hernia!
Check this out.
http://www.spailpin.blogspot.com.es/
The begining is very Beckettian in mood, which I like.
The second half will appeal to the more optimistic among ye.
Quote from: moysider on August 08, 2012, 12:34:58 PM
Check this out.
http://www.spailpin.blogspot.com.es/
The begining is very Beckettian in mood, which I like.
The second half will appeal to the more optimistic among ye.
Rise up, Moysider! Stand tall and get the blood pumping again!
All is not lost, an opportunity awaits ;)
Wishing Andy Moran a speedy recovery. A great lad and terrific player
Quote from: moysider on August 08, 2012, 12:34:58 PM
Check this out.
http://www.spailpin.blogspot.com.es/
The begining is very Beckettian in mood, which I like.
The second half will appeal to the more optimistic among ye.
"Andy Moran isn't irreplaceable"
Essentially he is, though. Horan will need to modify the game-plan because whoever plays 14 won't be as much a fulcrum of the attack as Andy was. Trying to replace him would likely only end in one result, defeat.
I'd imagine they'll try to run Dillion and co. at Dublin more, Keith Higgins has shown great attacking play for a corner back and they'll need him and Colm Boyle on form if they want a team that doesn't feel like it has a gaping hole at its head.
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Quote from: moysider on August 08, 2012, 12:34:58 PM
Check this out.
http://www.spailpin.blogspot.com.es/
The begining is very Beckettian in mood, which I like.
The second half will appeal to the more optimistic among ye.
"Andy Moran isn't irreplaceable"
Essentially he is, though. Horan will need to modify the game-plan because whoever plays 14 won't be as much a fulcrum of the attack as Andy was. Trying to replace him would likely only end in one result, defeat.
I'd imagine they'll try to run Dillion and co. at Dublin more, Keith Higgins has shown great attacking play for a corner back and they'll need him and Colm Boyle on form if they want a team that doesn't feel like it has a gaping hole at its head.
Id imagine Higgins will spend his afternoon watching alan brogan, he may not get forward too much, heres hoping ;)
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Check this out.
http://www.spailpin.blogspot.com.es/
The begining is very Beckettian in mood, which I like.
The second half will appeal to the more optimistic among ye.
"Andy Moran isn't irreplaceable"
Essentially he is, though. Horan will need to modify the game-plan because whoever plays 14 won't be as much a fulcrum of the attack as Andy was. Trying to replace him would likely only end in one result, defeat.
I'd imagine they'll try to run Dillion and co. at Dublin more, Keith Higgins has shown great attacking play for a corner back and they'll need him and Colm Boyle on form if they want a team that doesn't feel like it has a gaping hole at its head.
Id imagine Higgins will spend his afternoon watching alan brogan, he may not get forward too much, heres hoping ;)
Brogan gave Keith a roasting in 06. Maybe Moysider can see what's in store again!
Keith is great at turning defence into attack, but we have better defenders. So it mightn't be him that is asked to follow Brogan around this time.
Hopefully A Brogans return will see B Brogan & Connolly return to form and if all three play to potential I think Dubs will do it.
I'd Dubs play as lethargic as their last three games then they will lose
In 2006 Mayo struggled over a Laois team and turned it on in the semi final
Quote from: heffo on August 08, 2012, 06:44:02 PM
Hopefully A Brogans return will see B Brogan & Connolly return to form and if all three play to potential I think Dubs will do it.
I'd Dubs play as lethargic as their last three games then they will lose
In 2006 Mayo struggled over a Laois team and turned it on in the semi final
That was a better Laois team though heffo, they beat Tyrone who were the reigning AI champions before that IIRC. Dubs have to turn it on and I believe they will but hard to see them getting up to the necessary level for more than likely Cork in the final.
Is Aiden Kilcoyne still on the Mayo panel?
Quote from: RandyDupree on August 10, 2012, 12:36:30 AM
Is Aiden Kilcoyne still on the Mayo panel?
NO.He was dropped off the panel last spring and has been unable to get back in .He now works in London so it is unlikely he will feature in the foreseeable future. i always rated him highly and it seemed he was reaching his potential until he picked up a bad shoulder injury in the all ireland quarter final v Meath in 2009.
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Quote from: heffo on August 08, 2012, 06:44:02 PM
Hopefully A Brogans return will see B Brogan & Connolly return to form and if all three play to potential I think Dubs will do it.
I'd Dubs play as lethargic as their last three games then they will lose
In 2006 Mayo struggled over a Laois team and turned it on in the semi final
That was a better Laois team though heffo, they beat Tyrone who were the reigning AI champions before that IIRC. Dubs have to turn it on and I believe they will but hard to see them getting up to the necessary level for more than likely Cork in the final.
Possibly a better Laois team but were still beaten by about 15points by the Dubs that year.
Plus they beat a Tyrone team missing a heap of players in monsoon conditions
For better or worse, club championship action continues apace in Mayo. Hopefully all players will come through unscathed anyway. I suppose being at the last 8 stage will only impact certain players anyway.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 10, 2012, 10:55:59 AM
For better or worse, club championship action continues apace in Mayo. Hopefully all players will come through unscathed anyway. I suppose being at the last 8 stage will only impact certain players anyway.
i think it's good that the matches are played deelin , Kilkenny play their club champioship games as well. A player could get hurt in training as easily as a club match .
Its intense enough at county level with meetings and trainings so a break and being back with the clubs is no harm at all for the hunger.
Quote from: TyrionLannister on August 10, 2012, 11:05:04 AM
Its intense enough at county level with meetings and trainings so a break and being back with the clubs is no harm at all for the hunger.
Yeah I don't really like the way club championships are put into hibernation by some counties. I think good intense rivalry at club level , paticularly in the knockout phase brings a welcome change to intercounty training/challenge matches and a different challange which can only sharpen and improve our county players at this stage. As was stated earlier there's just as much chance of injury in a training match as there is in a club match.
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Quote from: TyrionLannister on August 10, 2012, 11:05:04 AM
Its intense enough at county level with meetings and trainings so a break and being back with the clubs is no harm at all for the hunger.
Yeah I don't really like the way club championships are put into hibernation by some counties. I think good intense rivalry at club level , paticularly in the knockout phase brings a welcome change to intercounty training/challenge matches and a different challange which can only sharpen and improve our county players at this stage. As was stated earlier there's just as much chance of injury in a training match as there is in a club match.
Thats all true.
I dont follow the club scene as much as I would like, but I hear there is uproar down in Mayo regarding county players not being released to clubs on the Tuesday before club championships, some 7 day rule is not being applied? Was that the case under JOM?
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Quote from: Crete Boom on August 10, 2012, 11:31:42 AM
Quote from: TyrionLannister on August 10, 2012, 11:05:04 AM
Its intense enough at county level with meetings and trainings so a break and being back with the clubs is no harm at all for the hunger.
Yeah I don't really like the way club championships are put into hibernation by some counties. I think good intense rivalry at club level , paticularly in the knockout phase brings a welcome change to intercounty training/challenge matches and a different challange which can only sharpen and improve our county players at this stage. As was stated earlier there's just as much chance of injury in a training match as there is in a club match.
Thats all true.
I dont follow the club scene as much as I would like, but I hear there is uproar down in Mayo regarding county players not being released to clubs on the Tuesday before club championships, some 7 day rule is not being applied? Was that the case under JOM?
From the beginning of time in all counties
there is hassle between club and county
Quote from: TyrionLannister on August 10, 2012, 11:05:04 AM
Its intense enough at county level with meetings and trainings so a break and being back with the clubs is no harm at all for the hunger.
I'd agree with that. I also think it's unfair to the clubs to have their other players twiddling their thumbs while the county players are off playing AvB matches.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 10, 2012, 10:55:59 AM
For better or worse, club championship action continues apace in Mayo. Hopefully all players will come through unscathed anyway. I suppose being at the last 8 stage will only impact certain players anyway.
At least our goalie and full back are safe ;)
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 10, 2012, 02:42:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 10, 2012, 10:55:59 AM
For better or worse, club championship action continues apace in Mayo. Hopefully all players will come through unscathed anyway. I suppose being at the last 8 stage will only impact certain players anyway.
At least our goalie and full back are safe ;)
Why, is the relegation playoff not this weekend? They'll certainly be needed for that one.
By the way Mayo4Sam how many All Ireland club titles have Knockmore again 8)
FFS, let's discuss Mayo v Dublin... I'm sure by the time Knockmore havve 36 SFCs we'll have more than just one all Ireland! :P I know, I know we'll not see 36 in my lifetime but just said I'd answer the question ;)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 10, 2012, 04:04:59 PM
FFS, let's discuss Mayo v Dublin... I'm sure by the time Knockmore havve 36 SFCs we'll have more than just one all Ireland! :P I know, I know we'll not see 36 in my lifetime but just said I'd answer the question ;)
If they do get 36 Farr in the next 40 years I'd happily nominate changing the county colours to Knockmore's but until then just remember who the aristocrats of Mayo football are when you next see the green and red in Croker on Sept 2nd. 8)
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 10, 2012, 04:10:21 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 10, 2012, 04:04:59 PM
FFS, let's discuss Mayo v Dublin... I'm sure by the time Knockmore havve 36 SFCs we'll have more than just one all Ireland! :P I know, I know we'll not see 36 in my lifetime but just said I'd answer the question ;)
If they do get 36 Farr in the next 40 years I'd happily nominate changing the county colours to Knockmore's but until then just remember who the aristocrats of Mayo football are when you next see the green and red in Croker on Sept 2nd. 8)
Yeah don't you Forget Crete, the 1st Mayo club to bring Andy Merrigan to the plains of Mayo ;) 8)
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Quote from: Crete Boom on August 10, 2012, 04:10:21 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 10, 2012, 04:04:59 PM
FFS, let's discuss Mayo v Dublin... I'm sure by the time Knockmore havve 36 SFCs we'll have more than just one all Ireland! :P I know, I know we'll not see 36 in my lifetime but just said I'd answer the question ;)
If they do get 36 Farr in the next 40 years I'd happily nominate changing the county colours to Knockmore's but until then just remember who the aristocrats of Mayo football are when you next see the green and red in Croker on Sept 2nd. 8)
Yeah don't you Forget Crete, the 1st Mayo club to bring Andy Merrigan to the plains of Mayo ;) 8)
Fair enough Deel I suppose every Dog has it's day but don't forget 13 county title's in a row , even the great Crossmaglen could only equal it but then again I wouldn't put it past them to have another go!
Alright, alright, calm down, calm down! ;D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 10, 2012, 04:45:42 PM
Alright, alright, calm down, calm down! ;D
Ah Sure there's nothing like good dust up on a Friday evening with the bandits to the south and the west. ;D
Kieran Shannon working with the Mayo squad is a good thing.
Quote from: johnpower on August 11, 2012, 11:33:31 PM
Kieran Shannon working with the Mayo squad is a good thing.
Should improve their writing anyway.
Any of the Mayo lads able to tell me how Ronan McGarrity is coming along?
Is there any chance that he might be fit enough to play a part in the semi?
There's a strong possibility that JH will make the least number of changes/switches possible to the side.
He's been doing that since the Leitrim game and I imagine that he will follow the same course for the next game.
Anyone think McGar could come on in midfield with either Barry or Aidan going in to FF?
Each has played there before and while neither made a success of it, both are now playing better than ever before.
Lar, I'm sick of people saying move AOS into full forward. He is wasted in there I feel. I've felt that way since I saw him playing against Roscommon in the u-21s last yr or year before when he put in a motm performance at midfield even though we lost.
And if anyone is to come into MF, it should be Jason Gibbons, not McGarrity. Gibbons was up against Barry Moran on Sunday in the club q-finals and won that battle.
Farr is right, AOS should be left in MF, so if any midfielder was to go to FF (which I don't think will happen anyway) it should be Moran or Gibbons.
What about McGarritty at FF? He should have the vision to see the little pop pass from his basketball days and he is mobile too and big enough to cause problems for any full back. A much better option (on paper) than Moran, AOS or Gibbons.
You know well what will happen if we put a big midfielder in at FF. When the pressure comes on, the gameplan will be abandoned in favour of hoofing big high ball in the general direction of the FF line without even looking up. It might come off once or twice in a game, but more often than not it just comes to nothing and frustrates the bejaysus out of everyone.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 14, 2012, 11:58:40 AM
You know well what will happen if we put a big midfielder in at FF. When the pressure comes on, the gameplan will be abandoned in favour of hoofing big high ball in the general direction of the FF line without even looking up. It might come off once or twice in a game, but more often than not it just comes to nothing and frustrates the bejaysus out of everyone.
The flipside to that argument is what happened several times in the past where we have nobdy inside who can win a ball. I still cringe thinking back to Meath 2009 when we ended with Ronaldson and Mortimer bouncing off the Meath full back line and winning nothing.
We have lost our primary ballwinner in there and we need to replace him with someone who can win a 50-50 ball. Our forward subs don't seem to have that in them. Freeman has the size to win ball but seems badly out of form. We are very short of options up front with injuries and defection. It is a sign of that when Dillon was replaced by Richie Feeney the last day.
We will have to come up with something a bit more imaginative but the good news is that management have a month between matches to come up with the best option.
Quote from: Chimley on August 14, 2012, 12:12:20 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 14, 2012, 11:58:40 AM
You know well what will happen if we put a big midfielder in at FF. When the pressure comes on, the gameplan will be abandoned in favour of hoofing big high ball in the general direction of the FF line without even looking up. It might come off once or twice in a game, but more often than not it just comes to nothing and frustrates the bejaysus out of everyone.
The flipside to that argument is what happened several times in the past where we have nobdy inside who can win a ball. I still cringe thinking back to Meath 2009 when we ended with Ronaldson and Mortimer bouncing off the Meath full back line and winning nothing.
We have lost our primary ballwinner in there and we need to replace him with someone who can win a 50-50 ball. Our forward subs don't seem to have that in them. Freeman has the size to win ball but seems badly out of form. We are very short of options up front with injuries and defection. It is a sign of that when Dillon was replaced by Richie Feeney the last day.
We will have to come up with something a bit more imaginative but the good news is that management have a month between matches to come up with the best option.
Should have been Doherty.
Quote from: Chimley on August 14, 2012, 12:12:20 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 14, 2012, 11:58:40 AM
You know well what will happen if we put a big midfielder in at FF. When the pressure comes on, the gameplan will be abandoned in favour of hoofing big high ball in the general direction of the FF line without even looking up. It might come off once or twice in a game, but more often than not it just comes to nothing and frustrates the bejaysus out of everyone.
The flipside to that argument is what happened several times in the past where we have nobdy inside who can win a ball. I still cringe thinking back to Meath 2009 when we ended with Ronaldson and Mortimer bouncing off the Meath full back line and winning nothing.
We have lost our primary ballwinner in there and we need to replace him with someone who can win a 50-50 ball. Our forward subs don't seem to have that in them. Freeman has the size to win ball but seems badly out of form. We are very short of options up front with injuries and defection. It is a sign of that when Dillon was replaced by Richie Feeney the last day.
We will have to come up with something a bit more imaginative but the good news is that management have a month between matches to come up with the best option.
I know, that's all very true as well. There's no obvious answer. This is where JH and co will have to earn their corn!
As you said, they have had a couple of weeks to try things, and they still have another couple to get it right.
I still think it will be a variation of the same forwards we've seen all year (minus Andy of course). I don't think he's going to parachute a midfielder into FF. It'll be more a case of tweaking the approach play and the runs from the guys inside to try to ensure we can engineer opportunities.
Well i hope to god , Horan comes up with something other than "tweaking the approach play" to compensate for the loss of our ball winner/playmaker.
We may just start pissin against the wind if that's the case, you have to come up with something to replace Andy. First of all we need an actual replacement , 'i'd be hoping SOS is fit and able but i haven't a notion where he is up to.
Sligo s defense was up in you face , high intensity and we were found out for the most part, Downs defense was pathetic. Dublin are up your hole , don't give you a 100th of a second to think and they will up it more for this game. We need our shooting boots for this one, we have to take every chance you get, composure will be vital in this game , whoever is the most composed will win, if we start balloning shots wide , it's goodnight Mayo imo.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 14, 2012, 11:39:34 AM
Lar, I'm sick of people saying move AOS into full forward. He is wasted in there I feel. I've felt that way since I saw him playing against Roscommon in the u-21s last yr or year before when he put in a motm performance at midfield even though we lost.
Yeah, I think it would be daft to move AOS from where he's doing fine. I t would be like robbing Peter to pay Paul. But I have heard rumours that he or Barry might be sent forward. Can't say how reliable those stories are but the bro is one of those I've been talking to and he's a strong Stephenites supporter. So maybe it was just a case of wishful thinking when he said McGarritty could be making an appearance.
To put it mildly, he's usually a lot more level-headed than I am and I can't imagine he'd just start a rumour for the craic. One way or the other, JH won't make any changes unless they are absolutely necessary.
He did a lot of chopping and changing during the league but since the championships began, he's been sticking with the same players as much as possible.
AOS a must in MF. The dubs will try and rattle each and every player. AOS won't be rattled. Cillian will be 1st for the chop followed by Barry Moran. If Geraghty is ok we need him for this. This one won't be for the feint harted. The Monsignor needs all his prayers answered as regards availability and fitness. Mc Garrity would be another soft touch for the Dubs if as rumoured he is on the way back in.
Quote from: hondacounty on August 14, 2012, 09:40:42 PM
AOS a must in MF. The dubs will try and rattle each and every player. AOS won't be rattled. Cillian will be 1st for the chop followed by Barry Moran. If Geraghty is ok we need him for this. This one won't be for the feint harted. The Monsignor needs all his prayers answered as regards availability and fitness. Mc Garrity would be another soft touch for the Dubs if as rumoured he is on the way back in.
Explain.....oh and try not be make too much of a bollix out of yourself now.
As with Barry Moran when the tough get going these 2 boys don't show up.
Quote from: hondacounty on August 14, 2012, 10:01:22 PM
As with Barry Moran when the tough get going these 2 boys don't show up.
Failed on both accounts so!
Quote from: hondacounty on August 14, 2012, 09:40:42 PM
AOS a must in MF. The dubs will try and rattle each and every player. AOS won't be rattled. Cillian will be 1st for the chop followed by Barry Moran. If Geraghty is ok we need him for this. This one won't be for the feint harted. The Monsignor needs all his prayers answered as regards availability and fitness. Mc Garrity would be another soft touch for the Dubs if as rumoured he is on the way back in.
And just to indulge you a bit more, what's your reasoning behind this declaration?
I'm not saying Cillian is soft but the Dubs will make him their 1st target, their priority will be to get him off the pitch in the 1st 15 minutes, leaves us with nobody clinical on the deadball.
Quote from: hondacounty on August 14, 2012, 10:28:03 PM
I'm not saying Cillian is soft but the Dubs will make him their 1st target, their priority will be to get him off the pitch in the 1st 15 minutes, leaves us with nobody clinical on the deadball.
You think they're going to try to take him out? Like Ciaran Whelan on McGarrity in 2006?
I think the game has changed so much since 2006 that you couldn't even draw comparisons. It's the cynical tactics adopted by some teams that you need to plan for.
jeez hondacounty,for you to come on here and more or less say that Barry Moran and Ronan Mc are cowards beggars belief.Do you have any idea what it takes to become an inter county footballer or have you ever played gaelic football yourself?If you think Mayo are going to beat Dublin by just being cynical then you have no clue what so ever,
Mayo will win. They will also beat Cork if they meet them. They are a very focused team under Horan. Not sure about Donegal though. They are a very focused team as well.
I'm not sure why people are calling for a complete change of tactics because we've lost one player. Andy is a fine ball winner but it's time for others to step up to the plate, that's what needs to happen if we're to win the All-Ireland, if it doesn't then we don't deserve it.
As Spailin said before the down game no one thought of us as a one man team and nothing has changed there. Dillon, COC and freeman will have to take on more responsibility.
The only panic that would be caused by moving a MF into FF would be in our own team.
A little bit of calm and trust in JH would go a long way
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 15, 2012, 09:42:42 AM
I'm not sure why people are calling for a complete change of tactics because we've lost one player. Andy is a fine ball winner but it's time for others to step up to the plate, that's what needs to happen if we're to win the All-Ireland, if it doesn't then we don't deserve it.
As Spailin said before the down game no one thought of us as a one man team and nothing has changed there. Dillon, COC and freeman will have to take on more responsibility.
The only panic that would be caused by moving a MF into FF would be in our own team.
A little bit of calm and trust in JH would go a long way
Well said. No need to completely change our approach because we're missing 1 player, albeit one of our best. That will only confuse things, they need to stick to the gameplan they've been working on all year (or past 2 years even).
Quote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2012, 09:54:56 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 15, 2012, 09:42:42 AM
I'm not sure why people are calling for a complete change of tactics because we've lost one player. Andy is a fine ball winner but it's time for others to step up to the plate, that's what needs to happen if we're to win the All-Ireland, if it doesn't then we don't deserve it.
As Spailin said before the down game no one thought of us as a one man team and nothing has changed there. Dillon, COC and freeman will have to take on more responsibility.
The only panic that would be caused by moving a MF into FF would be in our own team.
A little bit of calm and trust in JH would go a long way
Well said. No need to completely change our approach because we're missing 1 player, albeit one of our best. That will only confuse things, they need to stick to the gameplan they've been working on all year (or past 2 years even).
Now you're talking lads!!!
Joe McQuillan is reffing it. Nuff said.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 15, 2012, 09:42:42 AM
I'm not sure why people are calling for a complete change of tactics because we've lost one player. Andy is a fine ball winner but it's time for others to step up to the plate, that's what needs to happen if we're to win the All-Ireland, if it doesn't then we don't deserve it.
As Spailin said before the down game no one thought of us as a one man team and nothing has changed there. Dillon, COC and freeman will have to take on more responsibility.
The only panic that would be caused by moving a MF into FF would be in our own team.
A little bit of calm and trust in JH would go a long way
I've been following Mayo football for a heck of a long time and, both as player and manager, Jimmy Horan stands out. Without question,
I can recall many very good players but Horan had few equals when it came to being in the right place at the right time. He always seemed able to find himself a bit of spare room and a few seconds to decide his next move. I'd go further and say that he had only one equal and that was Ciaran Mac. However, Ciaran could score wides with the best of them when he had an off-day, whereas Horan never seemed to lose his cool. He was definitely the most accurate long range scorer we had.
I was absolutely delighted when he took on the manager's job. He was the least experienced of the candidates considered for the position but I felt that if he could take his playing qualities with him, he'd make a success of it.
IMO, he has done so in style.
God knows I've seen a lot more dinner times than dinners since I first followed Mayo but the games against Sligo and Longford were the most clueless displays by any side since then. I was really sore about the fact that Mayo had many talented players then and we had a talented manager also- his record proved that. Yet, between the lot of them, they wouldn't bate Katty Barry.
Horan's achievements since then must be viewed in that context. In just over 18 months, he has developed a serious unit (with due acknowledgement to David Brady) that can face up to any other team in the land. Andy's absence will be sorely felt next day but this isn't 2010 and there are others willing and able to take his place and give it their best shot.
Maybe the team's collective best won't be enough but it's going to be a day where boys have a chance to prove they are now men - and for men to show they can be leaders.
I expect the minimum of changes when the team is finally announced - Horan has always been his own man and I can't see him being swayed by pressure from any quarter.
I won't panic unless he does first. ;D
The gameplan Mayo had against Down seemed to be highly dependant on Andy Morans ability to win ball and distribute it cleverly. It would be a big ask to slot someone into Andy's place and expect the same to happen again.
A different gameplan will be needed that is suited to the lads who will be playing. I wouldnt be too worried about AOS at FF. OK he was poor at FF in the past but he was also brilliant at FF at other times (Tuam stadium v Galway!). He is also now a much better player and more mature.
Whatever JH does I hope it is bold enough to cause serious concerns in the Dubs defence!
I don't know ...... called me old-fashioned but the phrase "game plan" doesn't sit to well with me.
In my experience playing and managing/coaching - it takes a lot of time, luck and guidance to stumble across a way of playing that is effective for the players at your disposal.... and (obvious statement) more often than not it may not be effective to win what you want.
A team i managed a few years ago were losing and playing sh*t in a championship quarter final. We were forced through injuries to 2 of our key players at the same time to make a major re-shuffle of the team and we were transformed for the rest of that game and the remainder of the season. ... luck. For time and guidance look no further than Mickey Harte in Tyrone.
To get a team to play in a given way (a "game plan") .... say simply 80% of the ball won in the middle third played long into the ff line or the half-back line attacking at lightning pace with the half forward line knowing exactly what to do when they attack .... well that takes a lot of time to get an entire team playing like that. The length of time it takes is related to how smart the players are - but by and large it takes a season or more. To change this "game plan" in a few weeks is nonsense imho.
Under JH, i feel we have by and large stumbled across an effective team / way of playing. That is down to all those guys buying into the 'work hard, play for the team' ethos espoused by JH and his team, having intelligent players and (i feel) the man-management style of JH.
A tigerish, extremely quick and aggressive back line which can attack at lightning pace and seem to be encouraged to do so, an under-achieving player (Barry Moran) who has finally had an injury free run and a forward line where Dillon has being playing to potential this year & Andy Moran has been the focal point of the attack is by and large what we have (of course, AOS could be the main man before the season is out).
However, take Keith Higgins and Lee Keegan out of the backline and we lose a large part of the 'extremely quick' & 'attack at lightning pace' attributes which would fundamentally change the effectiveness of our team.
Take B Moran out of the team and we are depending on AOS finding his spring form and McGarritty discovering his form of 4 or 5 years ago (of course Moran may be exposed yet anyway).
Take A Moran out of the forward line then unless you can get someone with similar attributes as a player who can be even 75% as effective then you're in trouble. I don't believe we have an adequate replacement who can win the percentage of ball that Moran wins so unless AOS finds his spring form, Kevin McLoughlin plays to his peak, the half-back line encouraged to attack a small bit more and the other inside forwards stand up and are counted by showing and winning a much higher percentage of ball than they have done to date this year (none of all this being a change in our "game plan"), then i think we are in trouble and will be depending on Dublin under-performing for us to win.
Blast05 - you can change a gameplan (tactics or way of playing - whatever terms you like) in minutes! Your own experience of reshuffling your own team proves that. Whether it is intentional or accidental is irrelevant as long as it works.
And that is what I hope for against the Dubs - a reshuffle that ensures we get plenty of posession in scoring positions.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 15, 2012, 02:20:49 PM
Joe McQuillan is reffing it. Nuff said.
That hoor gave 35 of the softest frees against us last year v Tyrone.
In case there there any doubt whatsoever about the Mayo juggernaught steamrolling over the poor Dubs then that's the final nail in the coffin.
Quote from: diehard on August 15, 2012, 09:16:14 PM
Blast05 - you can change a gameplan (tactics or way of playing - whatever terms you like) in minutes! Your own experience of reshuffling your own team proves that. Whether it is intentional or accidental is irrelevant as long as it works.
And that is what I hope for against the Dubs - a reshuffle that ensures we get plenty of posession in scoring positions.
I disagree .... you can tweak at the edges at best - but you can't change the habits developed in the team over many months in a short period of time (and expect to continue to remain effective)..... in our case - a huge amount of ball always finding its way into the corners where Andy showed time after time and won everything. In the absence of that outlet then you are forced to do more than tweaking and i don't think the scale of change is possible. You are left hoping that the things i detailed in my last post happen
As for my experience it was luck .... but if we are depending on that then good luck !
Quote from: heffo on August 15, 2012, 09:35:32 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 15, 2012, 02:20:49 PM
Joe McQuillan is reffing it. Nuff said.
That hoor gave 35 of the softest frees against us last year v Tyrone.
In case there there any doubt whatsoever about the Mayo juggernaught steamrolling over the poor Dubs then that's the final nail in the coffin.
Nice one Heffo!
Quote from: heffo on August 15, 2012, 09:35:32 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 15, 2012, 02:20:49 PM
Joe McQuillan is reffing it. Nuff said.
That hoor gave 35 of the softest frees against us last year v Tyrone.
In case there there any doubt whatsoever about the Mayo juggernaught steamrolling over the poor Dubs then that's the final nail in the coffin.
He seemed to warm to you between the Tyrone match and the All Ireland final. Must have got to know you better after reffing all thoses A v B training games ;)
Anyone remember this letter , http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/have-your-say-3182704.html.
Intereseting insight on ref's performances.
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 16, 2012, 01:59:17 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 15, 2012, 09:35:32 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 15, 2012, 02:20:49 PM
Joe McQuillan is reffing it. Nuff said.
That hoor gave 35 of the softest frees against us last year v Tyrone.
In case there there any doubt whatsoever about the Mayo juggernaught steamrolling over the poor Dubs then that's the final nail in the coffin.
He seemed to warm to you between the Tyrone match and the All Ireland final. Must have got to know you better after reffing all thoses A v B training games ;)
Anyone remember this letter , http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/have-your-say-3182704.html.
Intereseting insight on ref's performances.
That is a pretty ill-informed letter.
Counties have been and continue to use current IC referees since the days of Micko in the 70's.
It's quite a common practice and can't for the life of my aside from the writer being woefully ignorant, would he find it 'disturbing'.
I've said all year that I think Mayo are in with a great shot for Sam. I've a lot of time for Horan and I think he has Mayo in the right frame of mind for September in Croker. Moran is a huge loss no doubt but unless the Dubs can improve from their last few performances I'd have them as favourites for the 2nd.
I'd like to think with Alan back we can step it up a bit and I do get the feeling that we have a big performance in us so here's hoping - though I'd take a bad performance and a win anyday ;)
Quote from: Declan on August 16, 2012, 05:03:09 PM
I've said all year that I think Mayo are in with a great shot for Sam. I've a lot of time for Horan and I think he has Mayo in the right frame of mind for September in Croker. Moran is a huge loss no doubt but unless the Dubs can improve from their last few performances I'd have them as favourites for the 2nd.
I'd like to think with Alan back we can step it up a bit and I do get the feeling that we have a big performance in us so here's hoping - though I'd take a bad performance and a win anyday ;)
Dublin are stale at the moment, but really in all their games though not convincing, they have never been under any threat of being beaten. The AI is all about peaking, especially for the contenders. Pundits talk about Mayo being poor against Sligo and Dublin being poor against Meath, but in reality both teams were looking further than a provincial crown whereas for their opponents it would have marked a successful year to have captured their provence.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 16, 2012, 08:39:21 PM
Quote from: Declan on August 16, 2012, 05:03:09 PM
I've said all year that I think Mayo are in with a great shot for Sam. I've a lot of time for Horan and I think he has Mayo in the right frame of mind for September in Croker. Moran is a huge loss no doubt but unless the Dubs can improve from their last few performances I'd have them as favourites for the 2nd.
I'd like to think with Alan back we can step it up a bit and I do get the feeling that we have a big performance in us so here's hoping - though I'd take a bad performance and a win anyday ;)
Dublin are stale at the moment, but really in all their games though not convincing, they have never been under any threat of being beaten. The AI is all about peaking, especially for the contenders. Pundits talk about Mayo being poor against Sligo and Dublin being poor against Meath, but in reality both teams were looking further than a provincial crown whereas for their opponents it would have marked a successful year to have captured their provence.
In truth Sligo,Meath put it up to Dublin,Mayo in the finals unlike say Down did in quarter final. It's interesting semi final i sense our neighbours are very confident about reaching another final, the Dubs haven't been great so far although good enough to reach the last four maybe now they will turn it on like they did v Tyrone last year.
So lads, I got tickets for Sept. 2nd! Remember to be wary of strangers, there's a spy in your midst :-*
Hmm, this changes things ... http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=175573&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=175573&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Dublin are stale at the moment, but really in all their games though not convincing, they have never been under any threat of being beaten. The AI is all about peaking, especially for the contenders. Pundits talk about Mayo being poor against Sligo and Dublin being poor against Meath, but in reality both teams were looking further than a provincial crown whereas for their opponents it would have marked a successful year to have captured their provence.
[/quote] Dublin haven't been playing well at all in the last few games especially against laois in the QF!But saying that,they managed to beat laois so we will just have to see on Semi Final day,what the outcome will be!!
Quote from: blast05 on August 17, 2012, 10:34:13 PM
Hmm, this changes things ... http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=175573&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=175573&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Just had a look at this!It certainly changes things is right but we will just have to wait and see!
There's reports that O'Gara and Connolly had a dust up in training. If its true it could be a sign of whole hearted commitment or disquiet in the camp. From the Dubs I've spoken to there's not many who thought Connolly doesn't deserve a good clip, patience seems to be wearing thin with him
Sometimes theres a bit of sorting out needs doing, Kerry are famous for it. It's normally the alpha male leaders warming the ears of their wayward cubs. Dara O se was the man for Kerry, Eugene Mc Kenna used to do it for Tyrone, Feargal Doc got no success when trying to sort out the problems in Derry, but in Dublin which one is the leader here, O Gara? If its for the greater goal, and a lad needs sorting I think its not a bad thing, otherwise fights for no reason arent helpful and indicate unhappiness and distrust.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 18, 2012, 10:01:05 AM
There's reports that O'Gara and Connolly had a dust up in training. If its true it could be a sign of whole hearted commitment or disquiet in the camp. From the Dubs I've spoken to there's not many who thought Connolly doesn't deserve a good clip, patience seems to be wearing thin with him
I would see that as a positive for Dublin - players fighting for places. Ger Loughnane always said that a happy going into a Championship game will come a cropper!
There's fighting and fighting for places though. That Alan Brogan news if true kinda neutralises Andy's absence a bit though.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 18, 2012, 10:01:05 AM
There's reports that O'Gara and Connolly had a dust up in training. If its true it could be a sign of whole hearted commitment or disquiet in the camp. From the Dubs I've spoken to there's not many who thought Connolly doesn't deserve a good clip, patience seems to be wearing thin with him
How could that not happen?
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You've one player wrong there.
Quote from: heffo on August 18, 2012, 05:48:25 PM
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You've one player wrong there.
Ah, but he got O'Gara right, didn't he?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 18, 2012, 10:10:00 PM
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You've one player wrong there.
Ah, but he got O'Gara right, didn't he?
Correct.
I wouldn't have put O'Gara or Connolly down as alpha males of that forward line, McMenamin maybe
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 19, 2012, 09:12:29 PM
I wouldn't have put O'Gara or Connolly down as alpha males of that forward line, McMenamin maybe
Connolly wasn't involved
Quote from: heffo on August 19, 2012, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 19, 2012, 09:12:29 PM
I wouldn't have put O'Gara or Connolly down as alpha males of that forward line, McMenamin maybe
Connolly wasn't involved
Id imagine it was a defender???????????? Phily Mc Mahon perhaps...................ogara deserves a good puck, thinks hes a right hard man alright
Mayo have to be in with a good shout. They were much more impressive than the Dubs in the QFs. I was watching the Laois match wirra crowd of Dubs and the nervous energy in the last 5 mins could have been sold to the ESB.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 18, 2012, 10:01:05 AM
From the Dubs I've spoken to there's not many who thought Connolly doesn't deserve a good clip, patience seems to be wearing thin with him
There are two types of Dubs. The eejits who don't appreciate Connolly, and the clever lads who do :D
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on August 07, 2012, 01:51:27 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
Has anyone ever had such an easy route to an AI semi than Mayo have had this year?
Did you not read any of the pre-match articles before the Down game, the general opinion was a very tight game, with only one pundit going for Mayo, Mayo come out and blow Down apart, playing well and putting up a great score, now the mood has changed to Down are shite, ye cant have it everyway. Mayo can only play the teams laid out for them, as for easy......... look pre-back door.........
Mayo were very, very good against Down.It was great to watch the way they took them apart. They have beaten both 2010 all Ireland finalists over the last 2 seasons and now is as good a time as any to bring Sam number 4 back to Knockmore and Achill.
Quote from: seafoid on August 20, 2012, 12:56:18 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on August 07, 2012, 01:51:27 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
Has anyone ever had such an easy route to an AI semi than Mayo have had this year?
Did you not read any of the pre-match articles before the Down game, the general opinion was a very tight game, with only one pundit going for Mayo, Mayo come out and blow Down apart, playing well and putting up a great score, now the mood has changed to Down are shite, ye cant have it everyway. Mayo can only play the teams laid out for them, as for easy......... look pre-back door.........
Mayo were very, very good against Down.It was great to watch the way they took them apart. They have beaten both 2010 all Ireland finalists over the last 2 seasons and now is as good a time as any to bring Sam number 4 back to Knockmore Ballina and Achill.
Fixed that for you Seafoid
I was in Ballina on Saturday and the town would look lovely with Sam . There is a competition on for the best of Mayo and I was thinking Timmy's grocery shop should get a few votes.
http://www.bestofmayo.com/awards/index.html
Fishing on the Moy on Friday and caught a salmon below Foxford. And the weather was fabulous.
Ideally we'd all get a look at Sam if he came. But a lot of work has to be done to get to the final yet.
Quote from: seafoid on August 20, 2012, 01:54:04 PM
I was in Ballina on Saturday and the town would look lovely with Sam . There is a competition on for the best of Mayo and I was thinking Timmy's grocery shop should get a few votes.
http://www.bestofmayo.com/awards/index.html
Fishing on the Moy on Friday and caught a salmon below Foxford. And the weather was fabulous.
Hope you were using a fishing rod and not something else that used to be common on the moy ;)
You should head down the river out to Killala bay. The fishing is the best in 25 years this year esppecially in the moy estuary.
Hopefully the football results will be the best since 1950/51 and if the Dubs play like they did against Laois I think we'll be in with a shout. If they click and play to their ability ala the Tyrone game last year it's going to be an uphill battle for us but sure t'is the joys of football in September.
Andy had his op on Monday. Good luck to him in his recovery and all going well we'll see him back on the playing fields next year.
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2012, 10:50:00 PM
Andy had his op on Monday. Good luck to him in his recovery and all going well we'll see him back on the playing fields next year.
That s the most important thing. I ve been a bit annoyed about stuff about replacing Andy Moran. We can t. We do something else but it wont be as good. Andy was the perfect balance to the running game we play. It was like plan A and B working at the same time. We never had this before.
Saw Andy play back in The Park playin for Ballagh a week or so before that injury. I ve seen Andy playing since he was a kid of 15/16 and he developed all the time. Back in The Park Andy stood out as a player in a different zone - confidence high, knows what he s at, dictates the game as he chooses. I saw very few others do that - likes of Seán Lowry and Peter Hughes.
The show goes on but I really hope Andy Moran can get back to where he was before this happened.
best of luck to andy , a brilliant recovery from his broken leg so no doubt he will do the same again with this injury and line out for us next year again.
Andy will do well with the rehab, he'll be back 100%.
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2012, 10:50:00 PM
Andy had his op on Monday. Good luck to him in his recovery and all going well we'll see him back on the playing fields next year.
+1
Quote from: moysider on August 21, 2012, 11:52:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2012, 10:50:00 PM
Andy had his op on Monday. Good luck to him in his recovery and all going well we'll see him back on the playing fields next year.
That s the most important thing. I ve been a bit annoyed about stuff about replacing Andy Moran. We can t. We do something else but it wont be as good. Andy was the perfect balance to the running game we play. It was like plan A and B working at the same time. We never had this before.
Saw Andy play back in The Park playin for Ballagh a week or so before that injury. I ve seen Andy playing since he was a kid of 15/16 and he developed all the time. Back in The Park Andy stood out as a player in a different zone - confidence high, knows what he s at, dictates the game as he chooses. I saw very few others do that - likes of Seán Lowry and Peter Hughes.
The show goes on but I really hope Andy Moran can get back to where he was before this happened.
You've been a bit annoyed, aragh god love ya. Andy had a great year last year, was having a good year this year, i actually didn't think he was that mighty against Sligo if i'm honest . Years previous to this he was hot and cold and even went missing in tight games down the years, Tyrone 08, Galway 09, Meath 09, never took them games by the scruff. My point is people are all rushing in to put Andy in this legendary category , personally i don't think he has done enough yet to warrant such an accolade.
Back to the game. Our defenders are facing the biggest test of the year obviously , are they as good as we think they are or will we revert to type against natural scoring forwards as we do traditionally against Kerry , Gooch destroyed us last year, we tend to gloss over the Kerry game for the same weak minded reasons that destroy our mental toughness.
This is a massive game, lose and realistically it could set Mayo back a couple of years or more to the point it will be a realisation that we are simply not good enough to push on .
Midfield should win their fair share of ball , can't fault bm so far, two motm performances out of three, could of even got it v Down too, AOS should be heading into full fitness by now , i think we could win the battle around the middle at least 60/40, which is always a good start to winning a game.
Our forward line is not a big a weakness as people are making out in the main, Dillon and Mgloughlin have played mighty so far and are two fine footballers . I understand the big worry about our last line and one just has to hope whoever starts there the next day, steps up and plays out of their skins. I'd still fancy Conroy to tap over a few, Doc has just not performed but it is in him, has to hit the net to justify his place in a way. Big game in COC this time out.
Is SOS fit to play?
Perhaps seanog, that's because James Horan has gotten the right usage out of Andy Moran? I think that could well be the case anyway.
I think Andy Moran was always a good footballer. I think in recent years he's become an even better one. Maybe some of it is down to James Horan but surely alot of it is down to the lad himself? To me he seems like a player that has worked very hard on his own on both his game and his athleticism. Become physically stronger as the years have gone by. Improved skill on winning and turning with the ball etc. More than anything else he has developed his leadership skills.
That's why Moysider is correct in saying he can't be replaced. He is quite unique. It's not to say Mayo wont bring in a replacement that will do well but it will be in a different role. Anyway best of luck to Andy in his recovery and to Mayo on Sunday.
There are plenty of instances of teams missing marquee names and succeeding.
Mayo are more than just Andy Moran, surely.
Good luck to Andy. I hope the surgery and the rehab goes well for him. He is a great footballer and a thorough gentleman into the bargain. Looking forward to having him back in a Mayo jersey.
Quote from: ross matt on August 22, 2012, 04:24:56 PM
I think Andy Moran was always a good footballer. I think in recent years he's become an even better one. Maybe some of it is down to James Horan but surely alot of it is down to the lad himself? To me he seems like a player that has worked very hard on his own on both his game and his athleticism. Become physically stronger as the years have gone by. Improved skill on winning and turning with the ball etc. More than anything else he has developed his leadership skills.
That's why Moysider is correct in saying he can't be replaced. He is quite unique. It's not to say Mayo wont bring in a replacement that will do well but it will be in a different role. Anyway best of luck to Andy in his recovery and to Mayo on Sunday.
Apparently Andy puts quite a bit of his physical improvement down to doing less weights which makes him a bit more nimble and quicker over a few yards. The way Andy wins ball is by getting ahead of his man, judging the flight of the ball and then using his strength to hold his marker off. If he can't get ahead of his man he won't win too much ball.
He could always kick scores and was usually a player to demand the ball. I'll agree his leadership skills have also come on - but this often happens naturally as players get older.
He was one of the best sigerson players I ever saw. I watched him against jordanstown one day and he was marking a good tyrone defender who he tore to bits. (Can't mind but may have been McCaul).
I was always surprised he wasn't better for Mayo until last year when he improved massively.
Quote from: seafoid on August 22, 2012, 04:30:14 PM
There are plenty of instances of teams missing marquee names and succeeding.
Mayo are more than just Andy Moran, surely.
I ve been trying to think of some but with little success. Throw a few out there until we see.
We re talking about rank outsiders ( last time I looked 7/1) to win and Dublin strong favourites to win the semi.
This is not like comparing us to KK without Henry Shefflin or something.
Quote from: diehard on August 22, 2012, 10:39:04 PM
Good luck to Andy. I hope the surgery and the rehab goes well for him. He is a great footballer and a thorough gentleman into the bargain.
What else would you expect from a Roscommon man and a Ros supporter? ;)
Best wishes to him for a speedy recovery .
Quote from: moysider on August 23, 2012, 12:51:15 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 22, 2012, 04:30:14 PM
There are plenty of instances of teams missing marquee names and succeeding.
Mayo are more than just Andy Moran, surely.
I ve been trying to think of some but with little success. Throw a few out there until we see.
We re talking about rank outsiders ( last time I looked 7/1) to win and Dublin strong favourites to win the semi.
This is not like comparing us to KK without Henry Shefflin or something.
7/1 sounds like a mad price,Mayo cannot be that far behind Dublin ?
Quote from: Halfquarter on August 23, 2012, 01:28:37 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 23, 2012, 12:51:15 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 22, 2012, 04:30:14 PM
There are plenty of instances of teams missing marquee names and succeeding.
Mayo are more than just Andy Moran, surely.
I ve been trying to think of some but with little success. Throw a few out there until we see.
We re talking about rank outsiders ( last time I looked 7/1) to win and Dublin strong favourites to win the semi.
This is not like comparing us to KK without Henry Shefflin or something.
7/1 sounds like a mad price,Mayo cannot be that far behind Dublin ?
That's the odds for winning Sam outright I think he's referring to. I do agree though, the rest of the forwards will have to produce something we've never seen them do before for us to win.
Quote from: Halfquarter on August 23, 2012, 01:28:37 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 23, 2012, 12:51:15 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 22, 2012, 04:30:14 PM
There are plenty of instances of teams missing marquee names and succeeding.
Mayo are more than just Andy Moran, surely.
I ve been trying to think of some but with little success. Throw a few out there until we see.
We re talking about rank outsiders ( last time I looked 7/1) to win and Dublin strong favourites to win the semi.
This is not like comparing us to KK without Henry Shefflin or something.
7/1 sounds like a mad price,Mayo cannot be that far behind Dublin ?
Yeah that s 7/1 for the AI. Any ye lads fillin yer boots?
Dublin are 9/4 to win outright and 1/2 to win semi.
I cant agree with those who would see a lost semi as a massive setback for us. If the odds are anything to go by we re gatecrashing the last 4 and not supposed to win anyway. Not that I m giving up on our chances yet but I expect us to be better again next year. I think we re a lot better this year than last and the curve should continue to rise regardless if we win or lose v Dublin.
Maybe you're right in saying it would not be a massive setback but i would tend to disagree , we were outclassed by Kerry at s/f stage last year, if we were to lose to Dublin by 8/9 points also , this time out, i'm afraid a lot of lads like Higgans and co would start to wonder can we ever make the step up, beat Dublin and this present Mayo set up could go on to great things. It's an amateur sport despite its professional approach , i believe certain games define a teams era and this is one of them.
I also believe this team has another gear yet and could very well surprise a few in this upcoming s/f,anyone could say that, i know but that is the vibe i'm getting. Well ahead of where they were this time last year according to second hand reports from training.
I respect and applaud Horan for what he has done so far, my only worry with Horan is that he tends to put a lot of effort into changing as little as possible , what i mean by this is , there is no harm in trying to outfox your opponents too, like putting AOS on the square if needs be, for example, no need to be too rigid James.
Quote from: moysider on August 23, 2012, 12:51:15 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 22, 2012, 04:30:14 PM
There are plenty of instances of teams missing marquee names and succeeding.
Mayo are more than just Andy Moran, surely.
I ve been trying to think of some but with little success. Throw a few out there until we see.
We re talking about rank outsiders ( last time I looked 7/1) to win and Dublin strong favourites to win the semi.
This is not like comparing us to KK without Henry Shefflin or something.
Just from Galway -
Iggy Clarke injured for the 1980 final . Won it
Pat Malone made his debut in 87 - not sure if it was the final- he was superb. Won again.
Michael Coleman came in in the 88 final when Steve Mahon was injured (I think) and he horsed Tipp out of it.
Sometimes the big match can make the player.
Quote from: seafoid on August 23, 2012, 02:47:03 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 23, 2012, 12:51:15 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 22, 2012, 04:30:14 PM
There are plenty of instances of teams missing marquee names and succeeding.
Mayo are more than just Andy Moran, surely.
I ve been trying to think of some but with little success. Throw a few out there until we see.
We re talking about rank outsiders ( last time I looked 7/1) to win and Dublin strong favourites to win the semi.
This is not like comparing us to KK without Henry Shefflin or something.
Just from Galway -
Iggy Clarke injured for the 1980 final . Won it
Pat Malone made his debut in 87 - not sure if it was the final- he was superb. Won again.
Michael Coleman came in in the 88 final when Steve Mahon was injured (I think) and he horsed Tipp out of it.
Sometimes the big match can make the player.
Not very convincing if I may say so.
In fact looking back at recent AI winners, they always managed to have their best players on the pitch the years they won. Even an injured Canavan had a major role to play.
Most Galway people I know reckon the return of a fit Ja Fallon crucial to 98 success.
In fact would Galway have won in 98/01 if any one of Walsh, Fallon, Donnellan, Joyce, Mannion or Savage missing?
Ye have to be lucky with injuries to win an AI.
Quote from: moysider on August 23, 2012, 12:51:15 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 22, 2012, 04:30:14 PM
There are plenty of instances of teams missing marquee names and succeeding.
Mayo are more than just Andy Moran, surely.
I ve been trying to think of some but with little success. Throw a few out there until we see.
We re talking about rank outsiders ( last time I looked 7/1) to win and Dublin strong favourites to win the semi.
This is not like comparing us to KK without Henry Shefflin or something.
Kerry won in 2004 with Darragh Ó Sé and Séamus Moynihan on the bench...
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2012, 10:50:00 PM
Andy had his op on Monday. Good luck to him in his recovery and all going well we'll see him back on the playing fields next year.
He's not havin his op until after Dublin match-I hasten to add that its NOT because he'll be takin part!!
Quote from: sans pessimism on August 23, 2012, 10:08:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2012, 10:50:00 PM
Andy had his op on Monday. Good luck to him in his recovery and all going well we'll see him back on the playing fields next year.
He's not havin his op until after Dublin match-I hasten to add that its NOT because he'll be takin part!!
Yeah. That would explain how he was spotted very sprightly at Josie Moffatt's funeral on Wednesday.
SEYFERUS! >:(
Only messin Sy :)
Word around town - and from some very well informed sources - was he had it this week. Maybe it's been pushed back or maybe the information was plain faulty. Oh, well!
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2012, 11:18:43 PM
Word around town - and from some very well informed sources - was he had it this week. Maybe it's been pushed back or maybe the information was plain faulty. Oh, well!
Or maybe....... he can be patched up for a while!
I know, I know but this thread needs a shot in the arm.
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2012, 11:18:43 PM
Word around town - and from some very well informed sources - was he had it this week. Maybe it's been pushed back or maybe the information was plain faulty. Oh, well!
Correct
Quote from: moysider on August 24, 2012, 12:04:21 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2012, 11:18:43 PM
Word around town - and from some very well informed sources - was he had it this week. Maybe it's been pushed back or maybe the information was plain faulty. Oh, well!
Or maybe....... he can be patched up for a while!
I know, I know but this thread needs a shot in the arm.
.......now Moy you shud know better
Quote from: sans pessimism on August 24, 2012, 12:13:33 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 24, 2012, 12:04:21 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2012, 11:18:43 PM
Word around town - and from some very well informed sources - was he had it this week. Maybe it's been pushed back or maybe the information was plain faulty. Oh, well!
Or maybe....... he can be patched up for a while!
I know, I know but this thread needs a shot in the arm.
.......now Moy you shud know better
I should and I dont.
I know lads that have played on for years but the knee can go at any time - followed by time building it up again. Going under the knife is never an attractive prospect. Didn t Henry Shefflin try to get through an AI fnal with a similar injury and broke down over by the sideline?
Naturally an injured player like Andy in the circumstances will grasp at any straw to finish out the year - he wouldn t be human if he didn t. I d suspect that he hasn t given up on it yet - maybe it was his decision to push the thing back. I know I would.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2012, 11:18:43 PM
Word around town - and from some very well informed sources - was he had it this week. Maybe it's been pushed back or maybe the information was plain faulty. Oh, well!
Or maybe....... he can be patched up for a while!
I know, I know but this thread needs a shot in the arm.
.......now Moy you shud know better
I should and I dont.
I know lads that have played on for years but the knee can go at any time - followed by time building it up again. Going under the knife is never an attractive prospect. Didn t Henry Shefflin try to get through an AI fnal with a similar injury and broke down over by the sideline?
Naturally an injured player like Andy in the circumstances will grasp at any straw to finish out the year - he wouldn t be human if he didn t. I d suspect that he hasn t given up on it yet - maybe it was his decision to push the thing back. I know I would.
Short term gain for long term pain?
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2012, 11:18:43 PM
Word around town - and from some very well informed sources - was he had it this week. Maybe it's been pushed back or maybe the information was plain faulty. Oh, well!
Obviously not
Right enough of the Mayo lads hogging this thread -
Brogan desperate for Dubs forwards to reach top gear
THERE was a time, Bernard Brogan admits, when being substituted would have damaged him. But under Pat Gilroy, his perception of what makes him an asset to Dublin has altered greatly.
Gilroy removed his star forward from action against both Wexford and Laois in the championship this year, copper-fastening the manager's policy that everyone on the panel is equal and that even a Footballer of the Year isn't beyond substitution.
And it's something Brogan has learned to make peace with.
"Probably my mindset now is a lot stronger than it would have been a few years ago," said the adidas ambassador.
"A few years ago I focused my game on getting scores and having a good game; to me, getting six or seven or eight points was when I played well.
"Now there are loads of other things that I try to bring to my game. If I can set up a few scores, if I can make a few tackles -- I take a lot more positives out of different stuff like that. If it's right for the team for me to come off and let another lad come on... I know how strong the panel is.
"The (substitutions) were made at the right time. I'd been on and had a good few chances. We needed fresh legs, we needed intensity in the tackle, and the couple of times I came off, the likes of Ciaran Kilkenny and Eoghan O'Gara have come on and brought serious intensity to the tackle.
"It's a team game. It doesn't really matter what way it works as long as you win. I've had my own personal glories in the past and they are all well and good but having won last year, the joy that victory with a team brings, it just surpasses anything you can imagine."
Whether Dublin can repeat last year's triumph remains open to debate. Laois provided their sternest test this year, a team the Dubs were expected to beat comfortably. It's a trap, Brogan points out, that Dublin have fallen into before.
"Everyone you meet on the street was telling you that you are through to the semi-final and all you have to do is show up. That's hard, especially for young players. For Dublin in the past having gone through this hype they have landed on their a***s.
"That's the struggle as a player when you are going out against a team everyone is telling you that you are going to wipe the floor with, that's where you get caught on the bounce."
Brogan prefers the glass-half-full version of Dublin's season: "It's great to go through games knowing you haven't fired and knowing you have more to build on."
Mayo have their own issues, as only Sligo in the Connacht final offered worthwhile resistance. And while the absence of the injured Andy Moran is very significant, Mayo can draw confidence from their demolition job on Dublin in their refixed National League game.
"It probably showed a bit of mental weakness on our behalf," Brogan said. "The first day we got off to a good start, but the fog meant the game was called off. We obviously knew going out that they would be up for it as we put in a few good minutes but we still couldn't match their intensity in that game. That's what we will be looking to bring the next day -- huge intensity and physicality."
Despite that, Dublin remain the bookmakers' favourites for the showdown on Sunday week. Bernard's brother Alan is edging back towards fitness after a groin injury, but is by no means a certain starter and he's vital if Dublin's forwards are to operate at maximum capacity.
Brogan admits to struggling to find his best form, along with Diarmuid Connolly, who he described as the country's most dangerous forward when on form.
"When Diarmuid is on song he's the best footballer in the country," he said. "Like myself, the whole forward unit hasn't really clicked yet and hopefully the next day it will. If you can get Diarmuid right he's lethal and there's not a defender in Ireland that will be able to stop him.
"I think it just needs to click. It hasn't really yet. He's been unbelievable in training, his mindset is really good. In the past his mindset mightn't have been the best, but this year he has really stepped up. Okay, he hasn't shot the lights out yet, but he's training so well and we're hoping that he'll come good."
And if it all comes together, Dublin are expected to be in the All-Ireland final and Brogan, you suspect, will be to the fore.
"The likes of the Donegal and Kerry games, where we stuck to our game plan and we knew that if we stayed with it we'd eventually get the victory, stood to us last year," he said. "The last few games haven't been as pretty and as fluent as some of the games last year, but we are still sticking to the game plan and sticking to what we know has worked for us and has gotten us this far. It mightn't have been pretty, but no one cares about pretty if you are standing on the Croke Park steps in September." -
So now we have the 3 best footballers in the country ;)
I'd agree with Brogan about Diarmuid Connolly. When he has the head screwed on he's as good as there is. Outstanding talent.
having your head well screwed on is a huge part of being a great footballer . everyone knows hugely skillful players who could not cut it at Senior intercounty level as they would not have the 'head for it'
maybe thats the category connolly fits in ...
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on August 24, 2012, 07:35:50 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2012, 11:18:43 PM
Word around town - and from some very well informed sources - was he had it this week. Maybe it's been pushed back or maybe the information was plain faulty. Oh, well!
Obviously not
Direct family are usually a good source of information on their kin :-*
Quote from: moysider on August 24, 2012, 12:04:21 AM
Or maybe....... he can be patched up for a while!
we can rebuild him ;-)
Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2012, 12:12:19 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on August 24, 2012, 07:35:50 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2012, 11:18:43 PM
Word around town - and from some very well informed sources - was he had it this week. Maybe it's been pushed back or maybe the information was plain faulty. Oh, well!
Obviously not
Direct family are usually a good source of information on their kin :-*
They must be having some laugh filling you with crap.
Quote from: spuds on August 24, 2012, 01:00:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2012, 12:12:19 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on August 24, 2012, 07:35:50 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2012, 11:18:43 PM
Word around town - and from some very well informed sources - was he had it this week. Maybe it's been pushed back or maybe the information was plain faulty. Oh, well!
Obviously not
Direct family are usually a good source of information on their kin :-*
They must be having some laugh filling you with crap.
Mind your tongue. It was common knowledge around town earlier this week, it obviously had to have been a late decision to push it back.
Quote from: Declan on August 24, 2012, 08:01:36 AM
"When Diarmuid is on song he's the best footballer in the country," he said. "Like myself, the whole forward unit hasn't really clicked yet and hopefully the next day it will. If you can get Diarmuid right he's lethal and there's not a defender in Ireland that will be able to stop him.
Diarmuid has more of influence when the marking is loose. On Sunday Cork will have two forwards on the bench Goulding,Sheehan that are better than Connolly
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Quote from: spuds on August 24, 2012, 01:00:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2012, 12:12:19 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on August 24, 2012, 07:35:50 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2012, 11:18:43 PM
Word around town - and from some very well informed sources - was he had it this week. Maybe it's been pushed back or maybe the information was plain faulty. Oh, well!
Obviously not
Direct family are usually a good source of information on their kin :-*
They must be having some laugh filling you with crap.
Mind your tongue. It was common knowledge around town earlier this week, it obviously had to have been a late decision to push it back.
Ballagh?
Quote from: Declan on August 24, 2012, 08:01:36 AM
Right enough of the Mayo lads hogging this thread -
Brogan desperate for Dubs forwards to reach top gear
THERE was a time, Bernard Brogan admits, when being substituted would have damaged him. But under Pat Gilroy, his perception of what makes him an asset to Dublin has altered greatly.
Gilroy removed his star forward from action against both Wexford and Laois in the championship this year, copper-fastening the manager's policy that everyone on the panel is equal and that even a Footballer of the Year isn't beyond substitution.
And it's something Brogan has learned to make peace with.
"Probably my mindset now is a lot stronger than it would have been a few years ago," said the adidas ambassador.
"A few years ago I focused my game on getting scores and having a good game; to me, getting six or seven or eight points was when I played well.
"Now there are loads of other things that I try to bring to my game. If I can set up a few scores, if I can make a few tackles -- I take a lot more positives out of different stuff like that. If it's right for the team for me to come off and let another lad come on... I know how strong the panel is.
"The (substitutions) were made at the right time. I'd been on and had a good few chances. We needed fresh legs, we needed intensity in the tackle, and the couple of times I came off, the likes of Ciaran Kilkenny and Eoghan O'Gara have come on and brought serious intensity to the tackle.
"It's a team game. It doesn't really matter what way it works as long as you win. I've had my own personal glories in the past and they are all well and good but having won last year, the joy that victory with a team brings, it just surpasses anything you can imagine."
Whether Dublin can repeat last year's triumph remains open to debate. Laois provided their sternest test this year, a team the Dubs were expected to beat comfortably. It's a trap, Brogan points out, that Dublin have fallen into before.
"Everyone you meet on the street was telling you that you are through to the semi-final and all you have to do is show up. That's hard, especially for young players. For Dublin in the past having gone through this hype they have landed on their a***s.
"That's the struggle as a player when you are going out against a team everyone is telling you that you are going to wipe the floor with, that's where you get caught on the bounce."
Brogan prefers the glass-half-full version of Dublin's season: "It's great to go through games knowing you haven't fired and knowing you have more to build on."
Mayo have their own issues, as only Sligo in the Connacht final offered worthwhile resistance. And while the absence of the injured Andy Moran is very significant, Mayo can draw confidence from their demolition job on Dublin in their refixed National League game.
"It probably showed a bit of mental weakness on our behalf," Brogan said. "The first day we got off to a good start, but the fog meant the game was called off. We obviously knew going out that they would be up for it as we put in a few good minutes but we still couldn't match their intensity in that game. That's what we will be looking to bring the next day -- huge intensity and physicality."Despite that, Dublin remain the bookmakers' favourites for the showdown on Sunday week. Bernard's brother Alan is edging back towards fitness after a groin injury, but is by no means a certain starter and he's vital if Dublin's forwards are to operate at maximum capacity.
Brogan admits to struggling to find his best form, along with Diarmuid Connolly, who he described as the country's most dangerous forward when on form.
"When Diarmuid is on song he's the best footballer in the country," he said. "Like myself, the whole forward unit hasn't really clicked yet and hopefully the next day it will. If you can get Diarmuid right he's lethal and there's not a defender in Ireland that will be able to stop him.
"I think it just needs to click. It hasn't really yet. He's been unbelievable in training, his mindset is really good. In the past his mindset mightn't have been the best, but this year he has really stepped up. Okay, he hasn't shot the lights out yet, but he's training so well and we're hoping that he'll come good."
And if it all comes together, Dublin are expected to be in the All-Ireland final and Brogan, you suspect, will be to the fore.
"The likes of the Donegal and Kerry games, where we stuck to our game plan and we knew that if we stayed with it we'd eventually get the victory, stood to us last year," he said. "The last few games haven't been as pretty and as fluent as some of the games last year, but we are still sticking to the game plan and sticking to what we know has worked for us and has gotten us this far. It mightn't have been pretty, but no one cares about pretty if you are standing on the Croke Park steps in September." -
So now we have the 3 best footballers in the country ;)
The bit I underlined etc above the most important bit in that piece. The Connolly bit just a bit of a love-in.
We knew it anyway but the obvious way for Dub. to go is follow the template Cork showed in league final. And Dublin will feel they have a grievance from the league and even 06 semi. They also have a patsy ref ( at this stage probably on first name terms with the boys in blue), who they should sound out early and often. Maurice Deegan could look good compared to this gobshite. Not good at all.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 24, 2012, 09:44:11 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2012, 01:51:01 PM
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Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2012, 12:12:19 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on August 24, 2012, 07:35:50 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2012, 11:18:43 PM
Word around town - and from some very well informed sources - was he had it this week. Maybe it's been pushed back or maybe the information was plain faulty. Oh, well!
Obviously not
Direct family are usually a good source of information on their kin :-*
They must be having some laugh filling you with crap.
Mind your tongue. It was common knowledge around town earlier this week, it obviously had to have been a late decision to push it back.
Ballagh?
Tends to be the best town for Andy-related news, yes!
Will there be tickets available on the day for this game? is it likely to be a sell out?
This probably doesn't belong on this thread, but anyway...
Con Mort is playing an Alan Brogan type role for Parnells in Dublin senior club football, and has been going well in that role. Obviously a good step behind intercounty level, but interesting to see him in a playmaking team role, and being very unselfish - although is stil notching 2 or 3 points a game
Quote from: Hound on August 25, 2012, 08:42:00 PM
This probably doesn't belong on this thread, but anyway...
Con Mort is playing an Alan Brogan type role for Parnells in Dublin senior club football, and has been going well in that role. Obviously a good step behind intercounty level, but interesting to see him in a playmaking team role, and being very unselfish - although is stil notching 2 or 3 points a game
Parnells who are bottom of division 1 and out of championship ?
Quote from: Hound on August 25, 2012, 08:42:00 PM
This probably doesn't belong on this thread, but anyway...
Con Mort is playing an Alan Brogan type role for Parnells in Dublin senior club football, and has been going well in that role. Obviously a good step behind intercounty level, but interesting to see him in a playmaking team role, and being very unselfish - although is stil notching 2 or 3 points a game
There's no better thread for this bit of news. Conor was a great servant to Mayo in his day and it's great to hear he's doing well in club football now his inter-county career is over. More luck to him.
Quote from: spuds on August 25, 2012, 10:47:47 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 25, 2012, 08:42:00 PM
This probably doesn't belong on this thread, but anyway...
Con Mort is playing an Alan Brogan type role for Parnells in Dublin senior club football, and has been going well in that role. Obviously a good step behind intercounty level, but interesting to see him in a playmaking team role, and being very unselfish - although is stil notching 2 or 3 points a game
Parnells who are bottom of division 1 and out of championship ?
No and No!
Parnells have nobody on the Dubs panel bar Clucko, and I don't think they've anyone near it. So when they were without Mort and the Laois lads earlier in the year it was no surprise they were doing badly. Not sure if they were bottom, but they were 15th of 16 for a while for sure.
I'm not saying Mort is playing fantastic, just that its interesting to see him at 11, in particular to see him so unselfish given his reputation as a play for himself corner forward (not sure whether that was justified or not). Parnells have moved up to 8th in the table since his move to centre forward.
Quote from: Hound on August 27, 2012, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: spuds on August 25, 2012, 10:47:47 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 25, 2012, 08:42:00 PM
This probably doesn't belong on this thread, but anyway...
Con Mort is playing an Alan Brogan type role for Parnells in Dublin senior club football, and has been going well in that role. Obviously a good step behind intercounty level, but interesting to see him in a playmaking team role, and being very unselfish - although is stil notching 2 or 3 points a game
Parnells who are bottom of division 1 and out of championship ?
No and No!
Parnells have nobody on the Dubs panel bar Clucko, and I don't think they've anyone near it. So when they were without Mort and the Laois lads earlier in the year it was no surprise they were doing badly. Not sure if they were bottom, but they were 15th of 16 for a while for sure.
I'm not saying Mort is playing fantastic, just that its interesting to see him at 11, in particular to see him so unselfish given his reputation as a play for himself corner forward (not sure whether that was justified or not). Parnells have moved up to 8th in the table since his move to centre forward.
In Saturday's Herald they were joined bottom with Templeogue Synge St on 7 points, see on Hill16 they have won last 2 league matches on 22nd and 26th. Good luck to the Mort but imagine he will be ate up out there against the stronger teams.
Any crack from the Mayo buckos.................what kind of support are ye lads rummaging up 25,000 to 30,000 thousand ????
Is brady strinking horns all over the shop
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Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 27, 2012, 04:09:14 PM
Any crack from the Mayo buckos.................what kind of support are ye lads rummaging up 25,000 to 30,000 thousand ????
Is brady strinking horns all over the shop
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/3d/a0/1e/19d99a01bf771ea8034adb4a77de0ffc613baf1ffd/INPHO_00194569.jpg)
Ah there should be a few of us around. No more that the Dubs we like our pints and football. DB's been quiet of late but I'm sure he'll crank his media machine into top gear during the week ;)
Any word on teams??
I presume SOS isn't fit??
What's the story on A Brogan?? How / whether he plays will have a huge effect on the outcome.
I'd expect a big Mayo crowd, up to 40k maybe - most lads I know are going.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 27, 2012, 11:42:00 PM
Any word on teams??
I presume SOS isn't fit??
What's the story on A Brogan?? How / whether he plays will have a huge effect on the outcome.
I'd expect a big Mayo crowd, up to 40k maybe - most lads I know are going.
I dunno about that! I dont think this is going to be like 06 - before this country imploded.
A lot of regulars I know are in two minds ( which means they wont travel!) A car load that was there in 06 will probably not be there. Unless Dublin come out in droves there ll be empty seats upstairs.
The minor result sickend a few as well. A lot feel that we 'll be shafted even if we re good enough. The league final and media reaction stamped us as
non grataThe bad press over the years has had the effect of turning club football people away from going to Mayo county games. Sad but unfortunately true. Bitterest hatred against Mayo team I ve encountered is within Mayo. Brolly won! Nobody wants to be seen supporting a sad county side.
This ref has history goin back to U21 final Mayo v Cork. Listeners on local radio could hear the laughter that day - it had gone beyond boos and jeers. It worked too that day. But he s an oswald of a ref. - a patsy.
40k ? We never had 40k in croke park in our history, i doubt even for a final.
Semi final ...Mayo should bring 15k in present climate.......in the good days we would of brought 25-30k max, never 40k to semi.
Quote from: seanog on August 28, 2012, 12:33:53 AM
40k ? We never had 40k in croke park in our history, i doubt even for a final.
Semi final ...Mayo should bring 15k in present climate.......in the good days we would of brought 25-30k max, never 40k to semi.
Sure teams never get anything close to 40k tickets for the All Ireland final i see Galway are only getting 12,000 tickets for hurling final. The 2006 semi final was probably one of Mayo's biggest ever followings in Croke park.
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Quote from: seanog on August 28, 2012, 12:33:53 AM
40k ? We never had 40k in croke park in our history, i doubt even for a final.
Semi final ...Mayo should bring 15k in present climate.......in the good days we would of brought 25-30k max, never 40k to semi.
Sure teams never get anything close to 40k tickets for the All Ireland final i see Galway are only getting 12,000 tickets for hurling final. The 2006 semi final was probably one of Mayo's biggest ever followings in Croke park.
That doesn't mean though that Mayo people don't get the tickets for the final, the allocation to the county has little bearing on the actual amount, i get my tickets from UK and so do about another 50 mayo people i know.
I wouldn't say 06 semi was the biggest following we ever had in croker, for me anyway 1989 final was unreal, canal end color was spectacular, my guess would be 89 final for biggest Mayo crowd in croker.
Alan Brogan good to go according to Gilroy. Nice to see him back in action - fine player.
Great to see Alan being there or thereabouts for Sunday, very nervous over this one, poor form all year and bet out the gate by Mayo in the league.................................pundits and muldoons furiously fiddling at themselves at the prospect of dub vs donegal final........perfectly set up for Mayo buckos to stamp on us Dubs
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A lot of my fellow county men appear to be getting revved up about the perceived slight on us from referees and the media in the run up to Sunday and from a Mayo perspective it does seem justified if a little futile. Maybe it's a way to release nerves but the most furious debate is between ourselves and it's framed by the ref/media is against us Vs stop whinging and get on with it brigades with very little in between!
The Ref debate reared it's ugly head due to the incompetence of the ref in the minor match at the weekend but in my personal opinion it was just Meath and Mayo's bad luck to have such a poor ref and doubly Mayo's bad luck to be on the end of such bad calls at the worst time in the match. Then again in my experience bad ref's generally make bad calls at the worst time in a match , it's essential to what makes them a bad ref and Meath could easily have been the receiving team of these calls on another day! So I think we can put the Ref is against debate down to current unfortunate events.
With regard to the media I don't think it's as straightforward. Some people referenced the reaction to the possibility of a Mayo win on the Sunday game as proof of a slight against us ,but I would dismiss this outright for the following reasons;
1) The Sunday game dismisses most counties and offers very little insight into anything let alone Mayo gaa.
2) On the panel last night Ciaran Whelan is the only one who ever offers any insight or analysis on what actually happens/might happen in games which references to current tactics/playing personal of the teams, ( while the rest fire out a couple of random stats and fire off the old cliche's about counties that you'd hear from manys a barstool late at night all over the country ) and he's hardly going to back anyone but he's own county (fair play to him for his honesty).
3) Tony Davis , God love him great player , sound man but couldn't analyse his way out of a wet brown paper bag :) (Just watch any of his analysis on RTE player to back up my statement)
So for these reasons I think we can drop the Sunday game from the argument.
I could go through a load of print journalists like Liam Hayes,Martin Breheny, Eugene Mcgee etc... but again they've had a go at manys a county one day and idolised them forever more when they win Sam. Well except maybe Hayes but I'm not sure if he likes any county, remember his attacks on Kerry a couple of years back :o
So another section of the media struck off the list of the enemies of Mayo but before you think it's all peace and love it gets interesting when we get to (in my mind) the more credible Gaa media.
I'm a big fan of the coverage on Off the Ball on Newstalk. Last night they had Anthony Moyles and Conor Deegan analysing the Cork Donegal match. What was interesting was what they said when the question of can Donegal be beaten in the final? Moyles started to talk about how Dublin would counteract them and immediately corrected himself by saying in his opinion Dublin would win the semi hence why he was using them in his analysis( Fair play to him). In fairness he did tip Dublin since the draw was made so I'd no argument there if being initially annoyed at his mistake. Then Connor Deegan admitted that he thought Dublin would win as well and proceeded to talk about how Dublin would react to Donegal in the final. Now what puzzled me was how had Mayo fallen so far behind Dublin and Donegal in the race for Sam? . How are Mayo rank outsiders in Sunday's match in the minds of two analysts who normally are very balanced in their predictions. In no way did they sound condescending or arrogant in the Spillane/Brolly mode.
I tried to think back to recent results to figure this one out but in our last league meeting with hammered the Dubs and our last championship meeting we were victorious as well so it's not a legacy thing as with say Mayo v Kerry. Also I took this years championship results and while we didn't have gruelling route to the semi we seemed to perform competently and the Dubs have had much the same route as ourselves , wining the games as expected but not shooting the lights out.Also Mayo had a good if up and down league, reaching the league final and beating Kerry in Croker along the way. Now I know the Dubs are reigning All Ireland champs but we did knock out Cork last year and only Kerry have retained the title since Cork did in 1990. So personally while the Dubs may be favourites it's not beyond the realms of possibility that we could win on Sunday.
The crux of it I think is two things. Firstly it's the legacy of our Final losses. 89 and 96 aside we weren't at the races in the other three. We were dominated in 1997 start to finish and 04/06 we were wiped out. Secondly we have constantly come back year after year since 96 in the search for Sam. I think the legacy of our final flops and the familiarity of us being around the business end of the championship has built up a strange tolerance of us as in it's no suprise to see us in a semi final but sure they don't even come close to winning finals so let's see someone different for a change. This is where we differ from the Donegal story. Both teams have made huge strides under determined, young ,tactically aware and native managers since 2010 but Donegal haven't been in a final since they won it 1992. This gives the impression they have come from nowhere as opposed to us sliding into one place from our usual inevitable failure. This is why I think we have been subconsciously banished from the mind of pundits. Also I think we can now see where the source of frustration for Mayo supporters comes from in that we are handicapped from being able to show our immense pride in our county teams of the last 23 years because of the inevitable derision it attracts.
Does this mean we should be favourites for the Dublin match? No , but I think some of the above might go some way to explaining the debate and accusations that's been happening on Mayo related threads/blogs over the last couple of days.
The solution, unfortunately the only one is to go on and win the All Ireland and probably put in back to back titles to wipe out our own unusual legacy of near immortality reduced to laughing stock in the blink of an All Ireland final. But sure I'm a Mayo man I wouldn't have any it other way if I'm honest. Life is boring stuck at the top or stuck at the bottom it's the journey in between that's the most craic. 8)
Mhaigheo abu.
I agree with Crete, the criticism/ dismissal/ disrespect of us will continue until we win an All Ireland, simple as. While the whole furore over McQuillan's appointment is justified, there's nothing that can be done about it now. All JH and the squad can do is focus on the job at hand, take it that McQuillan will do them no favours and play as such while trying not to get frustrated over any poor decisions that he may/ may not make. At the end of the day there'll be 15 Dublin players on the pitch that'll have to be watched, if we get too hung up on the ref they will exploit it.
Good post Crete - I was surprised at Deegan and Moyles as well but as both are/were involved with Dublin clubs so maybe I shouldn't have been. I've said since the start of the year that I think Mayo are in with a great shout for Sam and nothing I've seen up to now has made me change my mind.
Without playing to yerra card I think they are slight faves for Sunday but it's very much a 50/50 game. Dublin to me are a bit like Cork coming into last weeks game - Expectations for a big performance abound but the evidence so far this year is that they may well come up short - Hopefully not though
Do you have no work to do Crete Boom? :) Even if I could write a post like that it would take me all day. For what it's worth I think you will beat Dublin ok. They haven't the hunger after their victory last year. Mayo are a damn good team and they will have made allowances for Andy Moran.
The Mayo players/Mgt shouldn't give a fiddlers what the media say about them - there is only one way to change the perception and thats to win an AI.
They have a great chance Sunday. They had their tactics spot on in the league game in March and have a real chance Sunday - it's a 50/50 game in my mind.
While we're moaning about refs, if Connolly is targeted Sunday like other teams have done, I want to see him get some protection. Too many umpires are happy to stand there slack-jawed while he's punched, stamped & pulled all around the pitch but as soon as he responds take apparent glee in raising their hands.
Crete Boom, send that post over to Willie Joe on the Mayo GAA Blog. Deserves a more permanent and prominent place than page 17 of this thread
I'm looking forward to the game but I think without Andy Moran it's too much for Mayo. The Dubs haven't performed all year yet they are in an All Ireland Semi Final. I think they will up their game for Sunday after witnessing the quality Donegal showed last Sunday.
Unfortunately I think it will take a miracle for Mayo to win but the main thing is they're there and have a chance to do something about it. I'd love to see a Donegal Mayo final as the passion and hunger from both sets of supporters and players will be unreal. Both Counties have gone too long without an All Ireland. Hopefully Mayo can do it but I don't think so.
Dublin by 5 points and then Donegal in the final. Their hunger allied to their system and the way they are playing I think gives them the edge over the Dubs. When it came down to who wanted it more last year the Dubs were able to call on something extra to get them over the line. Having won the big one already I don't think they have that bit extra that was needed last year!
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Quote from: seanog on August 28, 2012, 12:33:53 AM
40k ? We never had 40k in croke park in our history, i doubt even for a final.
Semi final ...Mayo should bring 15k in present climate.......in the good days we would of brought 25-30k max, never 40k to semi.
Sure teams never get anything close to 40k tickets for the All Ireland final i see Galway are only getting 12,000 tickets for hurling final. The 2006 semi final was probably one of Mayo's biggest ever followings in Croke park.
That doesn't mean though that Mayo people don't get the tickets for the final, the allocation to the county has little bearing on the actual amount, i get my tickets from UK and so do about another 50 mayo people i know.
I wouldn't say 06 semi was the biggest following we ever had in croker, for me anyway 1989 final was unreal, canal end color was spectacular, my guess would be 89 final for biggest Mayo crowd in croker.
I said one of the biggest of course the 1989 final would be another, that was Mayo's first senior final appearance for 38 years we are getting close to that wait ourselves now.
Quote from: screenexile on August 28, 2012, 01:53:31 PM
I'm looking forward to the game but I think without Andy Moran it's too much for Mayo. The Dubs haven't performed all year yet they are in an All Ireland Semi Final. I think they will up their game for Sunday after witnessing the quality Donegal showed last Sunday.
Unfortunately I think it will take a miracle for Mayo to win but the main thing is they're there and have a chance to do something about it. I'd love to see a Donegal Mayo final as the passion and hunger from both sets of supporters and players will be unreal. Both Counties have gone too long without an All Ireland. Hopefully Mayo can do it but I don't think so.
Dublin by 5 points and then Donegal in the final. Their hunger allied to their system and the way they are playing I think gives them the edge over the Dubs. When it came down to who wanted it more last year the Dubs were able to call on something extra to get them over the line. Having won the big one already I don't think they have that bit extra that was needed last year!
Is Andy Moran's loss the main factor for picking Dublin. Do you assess his role at full forward worth at least 5 points or is it a combination of the loss of Andy and say an over reliance on Dillion that will undo us? Would be interested in the neutral view on this. Also would it really take a miracle to overturn a 5 point difference? I think we did it against Cork last year in the first half!
If we did ( and it seems a big if ) beat Dublin would you give us any chance against Donegal. What would it take?
P.S. not having a go or anything just interested in a your views as you always seemed pretty neutral on all things Mayo.
Quote from: Declan on August 28, 2012, 01:24:05 PM
Good post Crete - I was surprised at Deegan and Moyles as well but as both are/were involved with Dublin clubs so maybe I shouldn't have been. I've said since the start of the year that I think Mayo are in with a great shout for Sam and nothing I've seen up to now has made me change my mind.
Without playing to yerra card I think they are slight faves for Sunday but it's very much a 50/50 game. Dublin to me are a bit like Cork coming into last weeks game - Expectations for a big performance abound but the evidence so far this year is that they may well come up short - Hopefully not though
dublin were very poor against Laois. Hopefully they can stay in that rut and give Mayo a nice tight match with a storming red and green finish that is still low key enough to have Donegal as favs for the final.
Mayo News is reporting that it's between Freeman and Varley to replace Moran. I'm hoping it's Freeman as he can go straight into 14, which minimises disruption to the rest of the forward line, and also gives the option of coming out to 11. Varley will have to go into the corner, which means reshuffling the rest of the forward line to accommodate him. Based on what I've seen of Varley this year I just don't rate him while Freeman is a bit of a conundrum at the moment. He still wins and gets on a lot of ball but his use of it is letting him down. His quarter final display said it all, in four consecutive possessions he had two blocked kicks at goal and gave away two passes under no pressure. While I think his physical size and his experience of Croker will probably edge the selection, I will be praying that he discovers some form and confidence because we will need it and an upped performance from O'Connor, Conroy and Doherty to compensate for the loss of Andy.
Quote from: bucko on August 28, 2012, 11:02:34 PM
Mayo News is reporting that it's between Freeman and Varley to replace Moran. I'm hoping it's Freeman as he can go straight into 14, which minimises disruption to the rest of the forward line, and also gives the option of coming out to 11. Varley will have to go into the corner, which means reshuffling the rest of the forward line to accommodate him. Based on what I've seen of Varley this year I just don't rate him while Freeman is a bit of a conundrum at the moment. He still wins and gets on a lot of ball but his use of it is letting him down. His quarter final display said it all, in four consecutive possessions he had two blocked kicks at goal and gave away two passes under no pressure. While I think his physical size and his experience of Croker will probably edge the selection, I will be praying that he discovers some form and confidence because we will need it and an upped performance from O'Connor, Conroy and Doherty to compensate for the loss of Andy.
Remains to be seen yet how we go but is there realistically any alternative to the two lads above?
I m not disagreeing with the bit in bold above. I was hoping it was just me that had been thinking like that with my usual paranoia. It really is condemning that bit in bold.
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Quote from: bucko on August 28, 2012, 11:02:34 PM
Mayo News is reporting that it's between Freeman and Varley to replace Moran. I'm hoping it's Freeman as he can go straight into 14, which minimises disruption to the rest of the forward line, and also gives the option of coming out to 11. Varley will have to go into the corner, which means reshuffling the rest of the forward line to accommodate him. Based on what I've seen of Varley this year I just don't rate him while Freeman is a bit of a conundrum at the moment. He still wins and gets on a lot of ball but his use of it is letting him down. His quarter final display said it all, in four consecutive possessions he had two blocked kicks at goal and gave away two passes under no pressure. While I think his physical size and his experience of Croker will probably edge the selection, I will be praying that he discovers some form and confidence because we will need it and an upped performance from O'Connor, Conroy and Doherty to compensate for the loss of Andy.
Remains to be seen yet how we go but is there realistically any alternative to the two lads above?
I m not disagreeing with the bit in bold above. I was hoping it was just me that had been thinking like that with my usual paranoia. It really is condemning that bit in bold.
Not really I think. O'Connor's name will be mentioned to go into 14 but we've seen the result of that in the league final. Besides I would leave Cillian in the corner as I feel the longer he's positioned there the better he's playing. Outside of that we're looking at experienced players who are normally midfielders, half forwards or half backs coming in. Otherwise Horan would be going for the big gamble of throwing in Alan Murphy for his first senior inter county game and I guess we all know that ain't gonna happen. Our options in the full forward line have become very thin......
Good to see the lads training hard before Sunday ;)
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Quote from: Declan on August 28, 2012, 01:24:05 PM
Good post Crete - I was surprised at Deegan and Moyles as well but as both are/were involved with Dublin clubs so maybe I shouldn't have been. I've said since the start of the year that I think Mayo are in with a great shout for Sam and nothing I've seen up to now has made me change my mind.
Without playing to yerra card I think they are slight faves for Sunday but it's very much a 50/50 game. Dublin to me are a bit like Cork coming into last weeks game - Expectations for a big performance abound but the evidence so far this year is that they may well come up short - Hopefully not though
dublin were very poor against Laois. Hopefully they can stay in that rut and give Mayo a nice tight match with a storming red and green finish that is still low key enough to have Donegal as favs for the final.
Hopefully the AI champs can give Mayo a tough enough game alright to rightly prepare them for the team with tradition on their side
I wouldn't mind Brogan acting the big shot around town because he's actually some use....the other lad though.... ::)
I think Mayo will suprise a few people even without their best forward. That said, they won't beat Dublin. Dublin who are not the team they were last year will still romp home by 6 points. Donegal will beat Dublin in the final
Quote from: ck on August 29, 2012, 09:35:25 AM
I think Mayo will suprise a few people even without their best forward. That said, they won't beat Dublin. Dublin who are not the team they were last year will still romp home by 6 points. Donegal will beat Dublin in the final
If Dublin romp home by 6 points and are not the team they were last year, and yet you still think Mayo will surprise a few people, either you think Mayo will be surprisingly bad, or you rate them very lowly to begin with.
Quote from: ck on August 29, 2012, 09:35:25 AM
I think Mayo will suprise a few people even without their best forward. That said, they won't beat Dublin. Dublin who are not the team they were last year will still romp home by 6 points. Donegal will beat Dublin in the final
So are you saying that Mayo will surprise people by being worse than expected?
Quote from: ck on August 29, 2012, 09:35:25 AM
I think Mayo will suprise a few people even without their best forward. That said, they won't beat Dublin. Dublin who are not the team they were last year will still romp home by 6 points. Donegal will beat Dublin in the final
Would Dublin romping home by 6 points not be what most people outside of Mayo and Dublin are expecting and a Mayo surprise would be sneaking a win or scraping a draw? Or would the expected result from a neutrals perspective be a hammering by Dublin by 10+ points with the game over after the 30 mins?
Quote from: ck on August 29, 2012, 09:35:25 AM
I think Mayo will suprise a few people even without their best forward. That said, they won't beat Dublin. Dublin who are not the team they were last year will still romp home by 6 points. Donegal will beat Dublin in the final
Seems to be the general attitude I've encountered in Dublin where I work, which would be a fairly GAA dominated area.....ah Mayo will give Dublin their full of it....but Dublin will win by a healthy margin in the end and pull away ala Mayo Kerry semi final last year....
Can't f**king wait for Sunday.
Focking hell this is unreal criticism of Mayo. As I said before, the only reak hidiing we got all year was against Donegal above and yet people expect us to lose by 6minimum. If we lose at all it'll be like the Laois/Meath games. This is not 2011.
Most of the Dublin lads I've talked to are very confident with Dublin in top form they'll win and win with a relatively comfortable margin but they are very worried that they won't hit top form. Their main worry is there hasn't been much evidence to suggest they'll recapture the performances that delivered Sam last year and even if they do can they sustain it for 70 mins?
I think the most definitive views on the result are coming from the neutrals I've spoken to who based on Andy's injury, our league final defeat and our soft road to the semifinal believe the Dubs in 3rd gear are 5 or 6 points better than us. In fairness a few of the more neutral posters here have also predicted a 5 or 6 point win for the Dubs which is pretty consistant with what I'm hearing.
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Quote from: ck on August 29, 2012, 09:35:25 AM
I think Mayo will suprise a few people even without their best forward. That said, they won't beat Dublin. Dublin who are not the team they were last year will still romp home by 6 points. Donegal will beat Dublin in the final
Seems to be the general attitude I've encountered in Dublin where I work, which would be a fairly GAA dominated area.....ah Mayo will give Dublin their full of it....but Dublin will win by a healthy margin ala Mayo Kerry semi final last year....
Can't f**king wait for Sunday.
The prevalent view in Dublin from what I can see if that Dublin will edge a tight game. If Dublin can recapture their form from last year, I'd agree with that.
If Dublin play like they have all year then Mayo will win provided their form is right.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 29, 2012, 09:58:21 AM
Focking hell this is unreal criticism of Mayo. As I said before, the only reak hidiing we got all year was against Donegal above and yet people expect us to lose by 6minimum. If we lose at all it'll be like the Laois/Meath games. This is not 2011.
Mayo are clinical this year. I think they'll win and then the infighting will start in Dublin.
Cannot wait for Sunday.
i think the general view here is that it might be a step to far this year but that we are in good shape for the next few years.
There is excitement but no expectation and that is when Mayo teams are dangerous.
QuoteThe prevalent view in Dublin from what I can see if that Dublin will edge a tight game. If Dublin can recapture their form from last year, I'd agree with that.
If Dublin play like they have all year then Mayo will win provided their form is right.
Agreed
Quote from: seafoid on August 29, 2012, 10:43:25 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 29, 2012, 09:58:21 AM
Focking hell this is unreal criticism of Mayo. As I said before, the only reak hidiing we got all year was against Donegal above and yet people expect us to lose by 6minimum. If we lose at all it'll be like the Laois/Meath games. This is not 2011.
Mayo are clinical this year. I think they'll win and then the infighting will start in Dublin.
I think you're a WUM.
Dublin are AI champions. Historically AI champions generally do not retain their title.
There is no reason in the world for there to be any 'infighting' in Dublin if they lose Sunday.
Honestly cannot see how we can claw back the 12 points ( 0 20 to 0 8) by which Mayo hammered us in the Spring or even before that the hiding they gave us in the 2nd half of the league game in 2011 in CP............ outscored us by about 12/13 points.
Will be a tightish game which Mayo will win imvho.
However if we produce a "Tyrone 2011" performance then anything is possible.
The Mayo backs are a tight unit now and with the Dub fowards not clicking this year our backs should win this battle.
Whealo summed up this game very well on the SG. If Dublin keep their 3 big lads, Bastick, McCauley and Fennell around the centre then it will be a long day for the Dubs.
Mayo to win all the breaks around midfield and win by 4 to 5 points (if our forwards click, if they don't it will be tighter).
I'd say Dublin are the favourites and rightly so. Quite simply, they have gone through a development stage, same as we are doing at the moment, and Gilroy hs more options to play around with than Horan.
Our buck has been doing an A1+ job of building his team to his specifications but he's not finished yet.
I think the team from goalie to midfield is as good as anyone could ask for. I can't see the Dubs racking up massive scores but I can't see our attack doing so either. I think Dublin have the edge here but I don't think the result is a foregone conclusion.
We had to put up with the same media crap when we took on the then AI champions last year.That's okay with me; Donegal had to put up with the same abuse until they clicked into gear this year. The Dubs also had more than their fair share of derision until they finally managed to win a Leinster title after many years of failure.
In recent times, they imploded year after year until they finally got their act together. They have been less than impressive in all their games this year to date and the cosy consensus is that they will finally hit form on Sunday and give Mayo a mauling.
Maybe they will but I fail to see the logic of this assumption. Naturally, I'm hoping they will believe the hype- as they did in 2006. It's only natural that a team will react to the mood of its supporters.
That's why I wish Mayo fans would drop the beal bocht attitude. I know Andy is a big loss and I know Joe McQuillan is a billox and so on and on ad infinitum but we have to go in without Andy and on with Joe Mac so why show the white feather before the game starts?
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Quote from: seafoid on August 29, 2012, 10:43:25 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 29, 2012, 09:58:21 AM
Focking hell this is unreal criticism of Mayo. As I said before, the only reak hidiing we got all year was against Donegal above and yet people expect us to lose by 6minimum. If we lose at all it'll be like the Laois/Meath games. This is not 2011.
Mayo are clinical this year. I think they'll win and then the infighting will start in Dublin.
I think you're a WUM.
Dublin are AI champions. Historically AI champions generally do not retain their title.
There is no reason in the world for there to be any 'infighting' in Dublin if they lose Sunday.
I thought the Dubs might emulate Tipp, Heffo.
There have been a lot of post exit handbags this year but perhaps you are right.
i think the truth is we know very little about Mayo this year .
i have seen every game they played so far FBD league and championship but could not connect the dots . they went in a few weeks from being humiliated by donegal to hammering Dublin to gettting a beating off cork in the final . same in championship very poor against sligo and then hammering Down.
the only thing id say is none of my money will be going on the game on sunday as its a real anything can happen Game.
As for dublin not sure who it was said it but 'they are stumbling along waiting for some one to put them out of their misery'
No wonder they are getting the Bonfire ready in the Hills.
ive a feeling the wont be a dole cheque cashed in Letterkenny this winter
I just hope we can keep the ball kicked out to the Dublin lads and to give them a good workout before they meet Donegal.
Quote from: Greenabovethered on August 29, 2012, 12:05:40 PM
I just hope we can keep the ball kicked out to the Dublin lads and to give them a good workout before they meet Donegal.
Bloody hell, some pessimism in that post re our chances on Sunday!!! I'd class us as having a chance but only if we up our performance again from the Down game. If Freeman starts, O'Connor and Conroy will have to work a lot harder to win their own ball and get their own scores as Freeman won't provide the options that Andy was setting up.
This is a match where I'd expect every single supporter to be reasonably confident that if their lads play well, they'll progress to the All Ireland Final.
From a Dublin perspective, I'm hoping for the minimum of changes.
Bernard and Connolly in the full forward line.
Cullen-Alan-Flynn as the half forwards.
3 man midfield of Macauley, Fennell, Bastick. Macauley having the most freedom to attack and the least to do defensively (he's an awkward looking tackler anyway, arms and legs flailing, which doesnt usually go down well with refs.) Some say Fennell should be dropped, but he fielded very well against Laois, so I think we need him competing in there against the big Mayo lads.
Defence to be left as is, I hope. No place for Ger, although there is a lot who'd want him back. Not that I've anything against him, but the other 6 are doing well.
Expecting a good exciting clean game, which should be relatively easy to ref. Hopefully the ref is hardly noticed and isnt handing out soft frees to either side.
Quote from: Hound on August 29, 2012, 02:16:57 PM
This is a match where I'd expect every single supporter to be reasonably confident that if their lads play well, they'll progress to the All Ireland Final.
From a Dublin perspective, I'm hoping for the minimum of changes.
Bernard and Connolly in the full forward line.
Cullen-Alan-Flynn as the half forwards.
3 man midfield of Macauley, Fennell, Bastick. Macauley having the most freedom to attack and the least to do defensively (he's an awkward looking tackler anyway, arms and legs flailing, which doesnt usually go down well with refs.) Some say Fennell should be dropped, but he fielded very well against Laois, so I think we need him competing in there against the big Mayo lads.
Defence to be left as is, I hope. No place for Ger, although there is a lot who'd want him back. Not that I've anything against him, but the other 6 are doing well.
Expecting a good exciting clean game, which should be relatively easy to ref. Hopefully the ref is hardly noticed and isnt handing out soft frees to either side.
That's the key Hound. It seems to be feast or famine in the last couple of years with refs. You either get a game where everything is let go i.e cynical fouling on and off the ball, or a free given everytime a player breathes near the opposition which only ends up ruining the game for both sets of players and supporters.
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2012, 10:17:43 AM
The prevalent view in Dublin from what I can see if that Dublin will edge a tight game. If Dublin can recapture their form from last year, I'd agree with that.
If Dublin play like they have all year then Mayo will win provided their form is right.
thats what I'd think too Heff.
Though Dublin hadnt actually hit form last year coming into the Tyrone game- and they just rocketed off that night - which took me by surprise a bit.
It is prob unrealistic to think they can just turn it on again.
This could be a dogfight and Mayo could edge it !
Was speaking to one of the Mayo lads last night, the confidence and belief in both the system and the manager, as he spoke i have to was astonishing............ i know this lad for quite a while and i can't put my finger on it, but he seems supremely confident in himself and the lads around him, no heads down this time or any trace of self- doubt............. it is some turn around from Longford!
Quote from: ck on August 29, 2012, 09:35:25 AM
I think Mayo will suprise a few people even without their best forward. That said, they won't beat Dublin. Dublin who are not the team they were last year will still romp home by 6 points. Donegal will beat Dublin in the final
Surprise a few and then lose by six? most here are expecting Mayo to win or least go down fighting.
I think Horan & co believe this is a great opportunity not just to beat Dublin but go all the way. He probably feels he's got his backroom team and tactics in place and he seems to have great faith in his panel at the moment despite Andy's injury. For me I'm only thinking of Sunday and how we can win?
Firstly I would guess Horan will go for Freeman at fullforward to replace Andy. Assuming we stick to our gameplan used so far or at least a close variation of it ,it'll be quick, accurate direct ball into the inside line with runners peeling around the corner with goals in mind first and points second mixed with a running game with McLoughlin ,Vaughan and Boyle expected to punch holes in the Dublin rearguard. This will mean the burden of scoring from distance will probably rest with Dillion and hopefully our midfield and wing backs can chip in with a few as well.
Midfield will be where we will try to gain an edge and even a slight edge here will relieve pressure off our backs allowing Keane , Higgins and Caff to get tight and frustrate whoever they mark. Keegan will probably have the unenviable task of marking Alan Brogan and hopefully he'll relish it. Breaking ball as always will be key to the midfield battle so Doc , Dillion and Kevin Mac will have to work hard to back up the two big men and our half backs in this.
So allowing that things go well and our backs can keep a lid on what can be potentially an explosive Dublin forward line (with plenty of goals in them) , midfield and our inside line is where we could potentially come a cropper.
Can Conroy get his radar consistent for the game? Can Jason Doc add a few more scores to his high workrate? Can we neutralize the influence of Flynn and McCauley in the middle third and cut off Dublin primary possession?
Will we be able to create scoring chances if Dillion is curtailed ever so slightly at periods during the game/ Can O'Shea and Moran dominate at all in the middle?
Lots of questions to be answered I know so I'll try and keep it short! I think we could possibly get the possesion we need in the middle and just about manage the Dublin attack but will be caught short up front probably due to relying too heavily on Dillion and O'Connor for scores. This I think will lead to a narrow loss of a couple of points and the lack of unspectacular but consistent score getter who can win say 50% of his own ball in the full forward position is the reason while we will come up short this year , if not in this game then the final.
Just to add I fully expect the Dubs to be on top form and the above assessment is based on us playing to top form also. If we slip back to say our league final performance I expect a convincing Dublin win.
Varley to start from what I hear with only Feeney an outside chance on the half forward line with Doherty moving up.
Have never been a fan of Horan as people on here know, but would love to say that I had it all wrong. I believe that management has some blame to take for us not having forward options available. I believe that Mortimer and Kilcoyne are better players that have been over looked for inferior ones. Only Horan can tell us why. I hope Sunday informs me differently.
I would love Horan to make a brave call and put McLoughlin at Full Forward. He has played there before and would be a real hand full for any full back. The fact that we have no cover for him on the half forward line shows how poor our bench options are. I would also like to see Evan Regan from Ballina involved. Has been playing well and might well squeeze his way into the 26.
Looking forward to the trip up with the clan. I just hope that all this confidence in Horan proves to be correct.
Up Mayo!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: bucko on August 29, 2012, 01:16:59 PM
Quote from: Greenabovethered on August 29, 2012, 12:05:40 PM
I just hope we can keep the ball kicked out to the Dublin lads and to give them a good workout before they meet Donegal.
Bloody hell, some pessimism in that post re our chances on Sunday!!! I'd class us as having a chance but only if we up our performance again from the Down game. If Freeman starts, O'Connor and Conroy will have to work a lot harder to win their own ball and get their own scores as Freeman won't provide the options that Andy was setting up.
I see it as a sarcastic post not a pessimistic post.
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 29, 2012, 06:39:51 PM
Varley to start from what I hear with only Feeney an outside chance on the half forward line with Doherty moving up.
Have never been a fan of Horan as people on here know, but would love to say that I had it all wrong. I believe that management has some blame to take for us not having forward options available. I believe that Mortimer and Kilcoyne are better players that have been over looked for inferior ones. Only Horan can tell us why. I hope Sunday informs me differently.
I would love Horan to make a brave call and put McLoughlin at Full Forward. He has played there before and would be a real hand full for any full back. The fact that we have no cover for him on the half forward line shows how poor our bench options are. I would also like to see Evan Regan from Ballina involved. Has been playing well and might well squeeze his way into the 26.
Looking forward to the trip up with the clan. I just hope that all this confidence in Horan proves to be correct.
Up Mayo!!!!!!!!!
Would it be realistic for Kilcoyne to be involved if he's working in the UK? It must be hard enough travelling over and back for Knockmores club matchs, to do it to the extent needed to be involved with the county would be nigh on impossible and of no benefit to Kilcoyne or the squad. IMO Mortimer's non involvement with the squad is as much to do with himself as it is with Horan. Whether Horan should try and mend bridges with him is a whole other topic. As it stands we've got to make do with what we have and hope that the guys who start up front as whole can deliver a performance to make up for Andy's loss.
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 29, 2012, 06:39:51 PM
Varley to start from what I hear with only Feeney an outside chance on the half forward line with Doherty moving up.
Have never been a fan of Horan as people on here know, but would love to say that I had it all wrong. I believe that management has some blame to take for us not having forward options available. I believe that Mortimer and Kilcoyne are better players that have been over looked for inferior ones. Only Horan can tell us why. I hope Sunday informs me differently.
I would love Horan to make a brave call and put McLoughlin at Full Forward. He has played there before and would be a real hand full for any full back. The fact that we have no cover for him on the half forward line shows how poor our bench options are. I would also like to see Evan Regan from Ballina involved. Has been playing well and might well squeeze his way into the 26.
Looking forward to the trip up with the clan. I just hope that all this confidence in Horan proves to be correct.
Up Mayo!!!!!!!!!
Don't fancy Varley from the start IMO. Kerry had him sussed after 10 mins last year,i think he's better off the bench running at corner backs in the 2nd half.
Anything official on the team news.
Varley is flying in training.
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 29, 2012, 05:14:06 PM
I think Horan & co believe this is a great opportunity not just to beat Dublin but go all the way. He probably feels he's got his backroom team and tactics in place and he seems to have great faith in his panel at the moment despite Andy's injury. For me I'm only thinking of Sunday and how we can win?
Firstly I would guess Horan will go for Freeman at fullforward to replace Andy. Assuming we stick to our gameplan used so far or at least a close variation of it ,it'll be quick, accurate direct ball into the inside line with runners peeling around the corner with goals in mind first and points second mixed with a running game with McLoughlin ,Vaughan and Boyle expected to punch holes in the Dublin rearguard. This will mean the burden of scoring from distance will probably rest with Dillion and hopefully our midfield and wing backs can chip in with a few as well.
Midfield will be where we will try to gain an edge and even a slight edge here will relieve pressure off our backs allowing Keane , Higgins and Caff to get tight and frustrate whoever they mark. Keegan will probably have the unenviable task of marking Alan Brogan and hopefully he'll relish it. Breaking ball as always will be key to the midfield battle so Doc , Dillion and Kevin Mac will have to work hard to back up the two big men and our half backs in this.
So allowing that things go well and our backs can keep a lid on what can be potentially an explosive Dublin forward line (with plenty of goals in them) , midfield and our inside line is where we could potentially come a cropper.
Can Conroy get his radar consistent for the game? Can Jason Doc add a few more scores to his high workrate? Can we neutralize the influence of Flynn and McCauley in the middle third and cut off Dublin primary possession?
Will we be able to create scoring chances if Dillion is curtailed ever so slightly at periods during the game/ Can O'Shea and Moran dominate at all in the middle?
Lots of questions to be answered I know so I'll try and keep it short! I think we could possibly get the possesion we need in the middle and just about manage the Dublin attack but will be caught short up front probably due to relying too heavily on Dillion and O'Connor for scores. This I think will lead to a narrow loss of a couple of points and the lack of unspectacular but consistent score getter who can win say 50% of his own ball in the full forward position is the reason while we will come up short this year , if not in this game then the final.
Just to add I fully expect the Dubs to be on top form and the above assessment is based on us playing to top form also. If we slip back to say our league final performance I expect a convincing Dublin win.
Good stuff as usual Crete Boom.
I d disagree with the bit in bold a bit. The quick accurate ball inside was used to keep defenses honest but was entirely dependent on the presence of Andy Moran being inside. I know a lot of people want to be optimistic and want to move on from the Andy injury but we dont have the resources to replicate Andy s qualities inside. End of.
I detected a change in emphasis after the Ballyshannon fiasco. Maybe I was imagining things but the penny seemed to drop with the Mayo management that kicking ball into the corner men was just gettin us beat on turnovers - especially against likes of Donegal who snaffle spilled ball and turn it into a score at the other end in a shot.
Andy Moran meant we could keep defenses guessing by using him as a target man to mix it up with our preferred running game.
The Dubs should be able to comfortably leave their markers to look after our inside men with some degree of confidence and concentrate and stopping our runners, who will be the main threat.
Horan has to find a way to give us another edge. Cant see a direct replacement at 14 getting any joy. Maybe a 2 man ff line but what exactly does he get the extra man to do. Another big man to counteract Dublins big trio in the middle? Another runner like Feeney or Gardiner?
At least we are all guessing. 8)
Rumour's abound that varley is starting in FF line. My own preference would be AOS in @ FF and brother and Barry at midfield. :-\
Getting excited about sunday now though.
Quote from: nephinman on August 29, 2012, 11:45:46 PM
At least we are all guessing. 8)
Rumour's abound that varley is starting in FF line. My own preference would be AOS in @ FF and brother and Barry at midfield. :-\
Getting excited about sunday now though.
I really hope not, he's been playing his best football in midfield for the last 2 seasons, all that'd be doing is robbing Peter to pay Paul. CHF is as far forward as I'd put him but I'd be playing him more as a third midfielder. I'd rather see Aidan running at goal from around the middle than him playing with his back to it, if he can do that a bit more I think it'll create opportunities as so far this year Dublin have shown a tendency to concede frees when they're ran at.
I am loving the disrespect from the media, the neturals and the Dubs (I don't personally think the Dubs at full hilt are actually better than us).
How many times have we seen games build up just like this for us to rip the f**kers (no particular county) to pieces. I only start to worry when the feckers start talking us up.
Quote from: moysider on August 29, 2012, 10:21:02 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 29, 2012, 05:14:06 PM
I think Horan & co believe this is a great opportunity not just to beat Dublin but go all the way. He probably feels he's got his backroom team and tactics in place and he seems to have great faith in his panel at the moment despite Andy's injury. For me I'm only thinking of Sunday and how we can win?
Firstly I would guess Horan will go for Freeman at fullforward to replace Andy. Assuming we stick to our gameplan used so far or at least a close variation of it ,it'll be quick, accurate direct ball into the inside line with runners peeling around the corner with goals in mind first and points second mixed with a running game with McLoughlin ,Vaughan and Boyle expected to punch holes in the Dublin rearguard. This will mean the burden of scoring from distance will probably rest with Dillion and hopefully our midfield and wing backs can chip in with a few as well.
Midfield will be where we will try to gain an edge and even a slight edge here will relieve pressure off our backs allowing Keane , Higgins and Caff to get tight and frustrate whoever they mark. Keegan will probably have the unenviable task of marking Alan Brogan and hopefully he'll relish it. Breaking ball as always will be key to the midfield battle so Doc , Dillion and Kevin Mac will have to work hard to back up the two big men and our half backs in this.
So allowing that things go well and our backs can keep a lid on what can be potentially an explosive Dublin forward line (with plenty of goals in them) , midfield and our inside line is where we could potentially come a cropper.
Can Conroy get his radar consistent for the game? Can Jason Doc add a few more scores to his high workrate? Can we neutralize the influence of Flynn and McCauley in the middle third and cut off Dublin primary possession?
Will we be able to create scoring chances if Dillion is curtailed ever so slightly at periods during the game/ Can O'Shea and Moran dominate at all in the middle?
Lots of questions to be answered I know so I'll try and keep it short! I think we could possibly get the possesion we need in the middle and just about manage the Dublin attack but will be caught short up front probably due to relying too heavily on Dillion and O'Connor for scores. This I think will lead to a narrow loss of a couple of points and the lack of unspectacular but consistent score getter who can win say 50% of his own ball in the full forward position is the reason while we will come up short this year , if not in this game then the final.
Just to add I fully expect the Dubs to be on top form and the above assessment is based on us playing to top form also. If we slip back to say our league final performance I expect a convincing Dublin win.
Good stuff as usual Crete Boom.
I d disagree with the bit in bold a bit. The quick accurate ball inside was used to keep defenses honest but was entirely dependent on the presence of Andy Moran being inside. I know a lot of people want to be optimistic and want to move on from the Andy injury but we dont have the resources to replicate Andy s qualities inside. End of.
I detected a change in emphasis after the Ballyshannon fiasco. Maybe I was imaging things but the penny seemed to drop with the Mayo management that kicking ball into the corner men was just gettin us beat on turnovers - especially against likes of Donegal who snaffle spilled ball and turn it into a score at the other end in a shot.
And Moran meant we could keep defenses guessing by using him as a targey men to mix it up with our preferred running game.
The Dubs should be able to comfortably leave their markers to look after our inside men with some degree of confidence and concentrate and stopping our runners, who will be the main threat.
Horan has to find a way to give us another edge. Cant see a direct replacement at 14 getting any joy. Maybe a 2 man ff line but what exactly does he get the extra man to do. Another big man to counteract Dublins big trio in the middle? Another runner like Feeney or Gardiner?
You're right Moysider it's just my sentence was back to front. The whole point of Andy's role was to maneuver the blanket defence(for our running game) so we could overload the channels either side of the centre back area and breach the fundamental of a packed defense Ala the defensive line in rugby league , once breached four or five running lines are opened to attack and the ball can be transferred into these open lanes with ease.
From what I've seen of Mayo this year was that we actually use the direct footpass to get the ball to the oppositions 45 as quickly as possible and then we either run the ball at the blanket defense or drop it into the space in front of the fullfoward and if the ball is played wide it's generally short of the corners just behind and either side of the centre back. this draws in the back marking the man and draws back the centre back/wing back to crowd out the man in possession. The ball is then offloaded to the closest support player coming from deep who in turn has at least two if not three support players with in range of vision , one coming at speed on his shoulder , the second arching back from the the corner in the space created behind , and the third a little deeper in space ( effectively an out ball for a long range point or to recycle possession). This keeps the defence constantly moving from pillar to post , do they push up and block the runners and leave the inside men one on one with their markers , do they drop off and guess which runner is going to receive the ball or overload on the ball winner where one pass out of three will probably be to two or three men left in space. As you pointed out the key to this is Andy's ball wining and distribution.So how to we do without him if we have no like for like replacement?
Personally I would keep the ball moving from our backs to the opposition 45 as quick as possible by using Dillon to drop deep and pick up the ball off our full backs like a soccer playmaker. I'd have Freeman in the Andy role but I'd also drop O' Connor back slightly as another out ball for the direct pass ( a bit narrower and deeper than the traditional corner forward). Utilise the speed of McLoughlin and Doc to run direct lines from out to in to give at least two options and put pressure on the retreating half backs and use O'Shea and Vaughan to act as the muscle to power through in support. This leaves Moran and Boyle as the defacto out balls if the moves are halted or prevented and Conroy as the roving poacher if the initial runners suck in the defence causing the corner backs to push up and leave him free inside . The key to this attack is the speed in execution if it's slightly laboured the defence sets and the moves are crowded out. It also depends heavily on a young inexperienced O'Connor and a capable but out of sorts Freeman with the high risk of turnovers.
I do think this is our best chance and provided the speed of the ball and the runners make themselves available often enough I think it is well within the team's abilities. I just feel we might struggle to put the package together often enough and if any ground is conceded at midfield then our deep runners will be defending to much to get forward and our attacks will break down more often than not!
Just out of curiosity, will there be anyone kicking a football in this game or are they all going to be running around "offthe other players shoulder" . Bring plenty of ham because there will be lots of 'turnovers' . This year my own county scored an "own goal" and with all these lads zooming around Croker on Sunday I think ye should introduce two balls into the game for all this basketball running and passing because sooner or later someone is going to get mighty pissed off with this type of shite and I'm not talking about the players, I'm talking about the TV stations that broadcast it. Why don't ye try kicking the ball as a tactic?
I've put together a tactical preview of Sunday's game here http://action81.com/blog/?p=6164
Quote from: emmetryan on August 30, 2012, 08:39:43 AM
I've put together a tactical preview of Sunday's game here http://action81.com/blog/?p=6164
Fair play, Emmet; obviously, I am in full agreement with you. ;D
I'm pinning my hopes on Jimmy Horan to see Mayo through.
You mentioned something that the more pessimistic wing of the Mayo Mafia have failed to grasp.
If Andy Moran were fit and able to lead the Mayo attack, Dublin would have had plenty of advance notice of what to expect. I don't think they would have been able to cope with an Andy-inspired attack but there's no point in speculation now.
As it is, only Horan and his team will know the game plan until the game is underway. He's one step in front of the opposition here in that he knows what the Dublin defence is capable of and but we can only wait to see if he manages to turn this to his advantage. Hard to tell really but I'm reasonably hopeful that he can and he will.
LIke you say, Mayo's defensive tactics have worked very well - to date at any rate. Undeniably, the middle third is going to be vital and I also think it is Mayo's strongest sector.
I'd agree that Cork's physical approach was too much for Mayo in the league final but I think it must be borne in mind that Cork were at a much more advanced stage of their preparations for the championship when this game was played. The langers pulled away in the closing stages because of their superior conditioning I think Mayo learned a lot from that game.
I don't think Mayo are ready yet to win an AI but they're getting closer.
While Mayo may be the form team coming into this game, the outcome will depend on Dublin's display. They will certainly need to produce a focused 70 minute performance and, as you say, they haven't done this all summer.
If they are able do this on Sunday remains to be seen but I'm reasonably confident that they won't.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 30, 2012, 12:10:15 AM
I am loving the disrespect from the media, the neturals and the Dubs (I don't personally think the Dubs at full hilt are actually better than us).
How many times have we seen games build up just like this for us to rip the f**kers (no particular county) to pieces. I only start to worry when the feckers start talking us up.
Off the mark dude...................majority of dubs have the upmost respect for the mayo buckos................its your country brethren, media and pundits who are showing possible disrespect and baying for a dub vs donegal final
Actually think mayo will win this
Yeah, plenty of pessimistic Dubs. Seems to be more of a view outside the county that they will win.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 30, 2012, 12:41:10 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 30, 2012, 12:10:15 AM
I am loving the disrespect from the media, the neturals and the Dubs (I don't personally think the Dubs at full hilt are actually better than us).
How many times have we seen games build up just like this for us to rip the f**kers (no particular county) to pieces. I only start to worry when the feckers start talking us up.
Off the mark dude...................majority of dubs have the upmost respect for the mayo buckos................its your country brethren, media and pundits who are showing possible disrespect and baying for a dub vs donegal final
Actually think mayo will win this
As I said before in a previous post most of the Gaa Dubs I've been speaking too are worried that there's little evidence to show they'll hit top form which they expect will be needed to beat us. Saying that though I think they're quietly confident that a return of the 2011 performances will be good enough to knock us out. Maybe their fairweather fans are cocky or dismissive but sure every county has them it just seems like the Dubs have more due to their large population.
First 3 rows of the lower decks have been released for sale over the last few days. Ticket sales must be going well.
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 30, 2012, 02:10:05 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 30, 2012, 12:41:10 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 30, 2012, 12:10:15 AM
I am loving the disrespect from the media, the neturals and the Dubs (I don't personally think the Dubs at full hilt are actually better than us).
How many times have we seen games build up just like this for us to rip the f**kers (no particular county) to pieces. I only start to worry when the feckers start talking us up.
Off the mark dude...................majority of dubs have the upmost respect for the mayo buckos................its your country brethren, media and pundits who are showing possible disrespect and baying for a dub vs donegal final
Actually think mayo will win this
Saying that though I think they're quietly confident that a return of the 2011 performances will be good enough to knock us out.
In the absence of an AI win for Mayo I would think that's a pretty fair assesment would you not?
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 30, 2012, 12:41:10 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 30, 2012, 12:10:15 AM
I am loving the disrespect from the media, the neturals and the Dubs (I don't personally think the Dubs at full hilt are actually better than us).
How many times have we seen games build up just like this for us to rip the f**kers (no particular county) to pieces. I only start to worry when the feckers start talking us up.
Off the mark dude...................majority of dubs have the upmost respect for the mayo buckos................its your country brethren, media and pundits who are showing possible disrespect and baying for a dub vs donegal final
Actually think mayo will win this
You no more think that Squire than Spillane thinks it, or Mickey Whelan apparently and why would you, yer All-Ireland champs, FFS stop actly like the little innocents there to make up the numbers.
Personnally I'm nervous to believe, not until I can put my hand in his side as Thomas would have said.
For too long I've been sucked in by Mayo teams, '92 v Donegal, '96 finals, '99 god help us, '09 Meath were all days I looked at and couldn't see us losing. Maybe it's old age but more likely experience that makes me look at this team and ask where are our 16 points going to come from, I'd think this should win this match but for that you're relying on Dillon and our half backs putting in quality ball to the FF line and scoring probably 5-6 points, COC kicking 6 from frees/play and our other two FFs scoring 5/6 between them, I can't see that happening.
If AOS can play to his potential then we have a chance, for me he's the great white hope and can become the finest footballer to ever pull on the red and green. He'll have his toughest day yet on Sunday against some huge men that will make him look when normal size in comparison. If he steps up to the plate then we have some hope
May have been posted, but was there a video of the 2006 warm-up nonsense anywhere?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 30, 2012, 02:37:16 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 30, 2012, 12:41:10 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 30, 2012, 12:10:15 AM
I am loving the disrespect from the media, the neturals and the Dubs (I don't personally think the Dubs at full hilt are actually better than us).
How many times have we seen games build up just like this for us to rip the f**kers (no particular county) to pieces. I only start to worry when the feckers start talking us up.
Off the mark dude...................majority of dubs have the upmost respect for the mayo buckos................its your country brethren, media and pundits who are showing possible disrespect and baying for a dub vs donegal final
Actually think mayo will win this
You no more think that Squire than Spillane thinks it, or Mickey Whelan apparently and why would you, yer All-Ireland champs, FFS stop actly like the little innocents there to make up the numbers.
Personnally I'm nervous to believe, not until I can put my hand in his side as Thomas would have said.
For too long I've been sucked in by Mayo teams, '92 v Donegal, '96 finals, '99 god help us, '09 Meath were all days I looked at and couldn't see us losing. Maybe it's old age but more likely experience that makes me look at this team and ask where are our 16 points going to come from, I'd think this should win this match but for that you're relying on Dillon and our half backs putting in quality ball to the FF line and scoring probably 5-6 points, COC kicking 6 from frees/play and our other two FFs scoring 5/6 between them, I can't see that happening.
If AOS can play to his potential then we have a chance, for me he's the great white hope and can become the finest footballer to ever pull on the red and green. He'll have his toughest day yet on Sunday against some huge men that will make him look when normal size in comparison. If he steps up to the plate then we have some hope
Better than Anthony Finnerty?
Big call.
Quote from: heffo on August 30, 2012, 02:23:29 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 30, 2012, 02:10:05 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 30, 2012, 12:41:10 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 30, 2012, 12:10:15 AM
I am loving the disrespect from the media, the neturals and the Dubs (I don't personally think the Dubs at full hilt are actually better than us).
How many times have we seen games build up just like this for us to rip the f**kers (no particular county) to pieces. I only start to worry when the feckers start talking us up.
Off the mark dude...................majority of dubs have the upmost respect for the mayo buckos................its your country brethren, media and pundits who are showing possible disrespect and baying for a dub vs donegal final
Actually think mayo will win this
Saying that though I think they're quietly confident that a return of the 2011 performances will be good enough to knock us out.
In the absence of an AI win for Mayo I would think that's a pretty fair assesment would you not?
It's definitely a fair assessment and if you'd quoted that sentence in my full post I thought it'd be fairly clear that I wasn't questioning that point? If not my apologies.
Don't think you'd get much of an argument from most Mayo posters that the Dub's 2011 All Ireland wining form would beat us . If they recapture that level of performance on Sunday and were capable of sustaining it you will be celebrating back to back titles in my opinion.
Jinxy he'll need to sort out the hair alright
Quote from: Jinxy on August 30, 2012, 03:09:30 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 30, 2012, 02:37:16 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 30, 2012, 12:41:10 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 30, 2012, 12:10:15 AM
I am loving the disrespect from the media, the neturals and the Dubs (I don't personally think the Dubs at full hilt are actually better than us).
How many times have we seen games build up just like this for us to rip the f**kers (no particular county) to pieces. I only start to worry when the feckers start talking us up.
Off the mark dude...................majority of dubs have the upmost respect for the mayo buckos................its your country brethren, media and pundits who are showing possible disrespect and baying for a dub vs donegal final
Actually think mayo will win this
You no more think that Squire than Spillane thinks it, or Mickey Whelan apparently and why would you, yer All-Ireland champs, FFS stop actly like the little innocents there to make up the numbers.
Personnally I'm nervous to believe, not until I can put my hand in his side as Thomas would have said.
For too long I've been sucked in by Mayo teams, '92 v Donegal, '96 finals, '99 god help us, '09 Meath were all days I looked at and couldn't see us losing. Maybe it's old age but more likely experience that makes me look at this team and ask where are our 16 points going to come from, I'd think this should win this match but for that you're relying on Dillon and our half backs putting in quality ball to the FF line and scoring probably 5-6 points, COC kicking 6 from frees/play and our other two FFs scoring 5/6 between them, I can't see that happening.
If AOS can play to his potential then we have a chance, for me he's the great white hope and can become the finest footballer to ever pull on the red and green. He'll have his toughest day yet on Sunday against some huge men that will make him look when normal size in comparison. If he steps up to the plate then we have some hope
Better than Anthony Finnerty?
Big call.
While Fat Larry was undisputely the best Drinker/Irish dancer you'd be pushing it to say he was the best player ever. :D
( He could duck and cover with the best of the as well just reference the 96 melee ;) )
Like Mayo4Sam, I'm too nervous to believe about this game yet. I'm trying to think positive and granted after the Down game I was, but not now. I just can't see us getting enough scores to win this game. Maybe I might be wrong, I hope to Christ that I am. I wouldn't be a fan of having Varley at no 14, but if he's 'going well in training', I suppose he's done his bit for the management to start. It'll be interesting to see if Dublin can raise their game, I know I said already it will be tight and I still believe it will, but I can't see us scoring enough. Dublin will know that form can't be turned on like a tap either however. I think that AOS will be better than the last day to be honest. I think he will have benefitted from the extra 4 weeks and he (hopefully) will get on the ball more often. It's just the inside forward line that worry me.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 30, 2012, 03:34:06 PM
Like Mayo4Sam, I'm too nervous to believe about this game yet. I'm trying to think positive and granted after the Down game I was, but not now. I just can't see us getting enough scores to win this game. Maybe I might be wrong, I hope to Christ that I am. I wouldn't be a fan of having Varley at no 14, but if he's 'going well in training', I suppose he's done his bit for the management to start. It'll be interesting to see if Dublin can raise their game, I know I said already it will be tight and I still believe it will, but I can't see us scoring enough. Dublin will know that form can't be turned on like a tap either however. I think that AOS will be better than the last day to be honest. I think he will have benefitted from the extra 4 weeks and he (hopefully) will get on the ball more often. It's just the inside forward line that worry me.
I'm thinking along the same lines about our inside line and I'm also a little worried about midfield because I think Dublin will attack there especially to gain a foothold for the game.
(http://www.gaa.ie/content/images/news/mayo/McDonaldCiaran_Prediction.jpg)
And half the hearts in Mayo skip a beat.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 30, 2012, 03:34:06 PM
Like Mayo4Sam, I'm too nervous to believe about this game yet. I'm trying to think positive and granted after the Down game I was, but not now. I just can't see us getting enough scores to win this game. Maybe I might be wrong, I hope to Christ that I am. I wouldn't be a fan of having Varley at no 14, but if he's 'going well in training', I suppose he's done his bit for the management to start. It'll be interesting to see if Dublin can raise their game, I know I said already it will be tight and I still believe it will, but I can't see us scoring enough. Dublin will know that form can't be turned on like a tap either however. I think that AOS will be better than the last day to be honest. I think he will have benefitted from the extra 4 weeks and he (hopefully) will get on the ball more often. It's just the inside forward line that worry me.
Right now, that's what worries us all.
Whether by accident or design, JH had been doing a mighty job of building a team and he has done this from the goalie outwards, line by line. Getting a FF trio to click has been the last hurdle to cross and I thought, during the last game, that Doherty and Conroy were going to be the ones to join Andy. That's not going to happen now but he still has the best available for the positions 1-12.
But, as Emmet said, the Dubs won't know what to expect until the game begins.
Therein lies our hope.
Keep the Faith! ;)
Nice article from Ciaran McDonald that Syferus pic was lifted from on www.gaa.ie
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/2/3008121447-the-big-interview-ciaran-mcdonald/
The Big Interview: Ciarán McDonald
Ciarán McDonald knows what it takes to beat Dublin in an All-Ireland semi-final.
In fact he knows what it feels like to kick the winning point in an All-Ireland semi-final against Dublin in Croke Park (see YouTube video below).
McDonald, therefore, is better placed than anybody to give his opinion on Sunday's hugely-anticipated game.
Speaking to GAA.ie at a Vodafone GAA Football All-Ireland semi-final press conference ahead of Sunday's clash, the Crossmolina legend first looks back at that epic semi-final in which he played a starring role in 2006.
"I remember kicking that point and the crowd going crazy," McDonald, now 37, recalls. "I remember being seven points down and the substitutes that we put in all clicking. I remember Andy Moran's goal.
"But my biggest memory is is giving an absolutely brutal pass that Darren Magee cut out. The ball went down to the far corner of the Canal End and I said to myself, 'here we go again'.
"It went out for a 45, a combination of Clarkey (goalkeeper David Clarke) and David Brady punched it out. It just shows the thin line from one second being totally elated to making an absolute mess of things a minute later."
Mayo were famously destroyed by Kerry in the subsequent All-Ireland final and McDonald missed his big chance to crown a remarkable career with a Celtic Cross.
Still, he cherishes the memories of that All-Ireland semi-final, sacking the mighty Dubs in their own castle.
"Dublin! Dublin in Croke Park, it doesn't get any bigger. An All-Ireland semi-final with 82,000 people in Croke Park...it's just a shame it wasn't the final!
"At the time it was a means to an end, to get to an All-Ireland final and repair what was so bad in 2004. That's what I wanted.
"I remember coming off the field, I went straight to the dressing room and I was in a car going home insde 15 minutes. 'Here we are, going for an All-Ireland final.'
"And yet, a month later it was the same old same old."
Fast-forward six years and James Horan's recalibrated Mayo side are once again within touching distance of the Promised Land.
If McDonald was the star of the 2006 side, then Andy Moran was undoubtedly his contemporary until he had his season cruelly cut short by injury in the quarter-final win over Down.
McDonald is not one to mince his words and he refuses to play down the significance of Moran's absence on Sunday.
"He's one of the few fellas you can say would make any team in the country," McDonald says. "I put my hand on my heart when I say that.
"He lives and breathes football, whether it is Ballaghaderreen or Mayo. It's 24/7 yap, yap, yap. He'd probably wreck your head at times when you are around him!
"He's a go-to man. If you're a wing-back or a midfielder and you look up, I can guarantee he's the first guy who'll get in your eyeline. He's over and back the field and he wants the ball, he's the first fella they'll see. Instead of ball getting turned over, they know they've an outlet. It's him.
"Can you replace that? No, I don't think so. Who ever comes in, and we have a great 32-man panel, but it's silly to say you can replace him.
"You can play football without him, but very few offer what Andy has. He's a massive, massive loss.
"It's the same as if Alan Brogan was missing for Dublin. He makes everyone around him look better. I can't speak of him any higher than that."
Asked for his opinion on Dublin centre-forward Alan Brogan, McDonald beams with positivity. "A ball player" is his description of the Footballer of the Year. From possibly the greatest "ball player" of the modern era, it's a serious compliment.
"He's a player, he's a ball player," McDonald enthuses. "When he's on his game everybody plays better and looks better when he's on the field. Dublin look rudderless without him.
"They want him on the ball, the players want him on the ball because they know they are going to get a ball back. They'll get a good ball back.
"He'd be a massive, massive loss to Dublin but a massive plus if he starts."
McDonald has seen a killer instinct in this Mayo side under James Horan. They have scored seven goals in their three championship games to date this summer, and he argues that they will have to be equally ruthless to depose the All-Ireland champions.
"Goals win games. Mayo have realised that now. Whereas before they would have been happy to take a 30-yard point or a 21-yard tap over, they now want to work the 'keeper and go for goal. They realise that.
"I would say they now firmly believe that they have to put one or two past Cluxton to win. They know that. In the last two games they have been goal hungry.
"They have been goal hungry in the league and the championship whereas other Mayo teams haven't been. They want goals and that's the main thing, they realise that they aren't going to outpoint Dublin."
McDonald is in full flow. His reputation as being notoriously media shy and a reluctant star is hard to tally with the animated, passionate man in front of us.
It's hard to ignore, too, that he is in remarkable shape, as toned, lean and tanned as in his heyday in a green and red jersey.
The reports coming back from the west these days are that he is playing some of the best football of his life for Crossmolina. He's never officially retired from inter-county football, and while he wouldn't say no to a call from his former team-mate, he doesn't expect James Horan's number to appear on his phone any time soon.
"Would I love to put on the green and red again? I suppose every person that pulled on an inter-county jersey never wants to give it up.
"I am playing OK football. I love my club. Thanks God our club is doing well in the championship. We still have a lot of work to do, but we are doing alright.
"I am playing alright football, yeah. I'm enjoying it. Is there any chance of James Horan giving me a ring? I don't think so."
And still, he has nothing but good things to say about Horan.
"Having played with James, I know what he is all about. He did a great job with Ballintubber before he took over Mayo. He's a great manager.
"His life is solely devoted around Mayo football or wherever he puts his energy in to. The boys have rowed in with it.
"He has a great backroom team. James Nallen from our own club, who knows what it takes to be a Mayo footballer. He has instilled the belief in them that they can come out and beat Dublin and then beat Donegal in All-Ireland final."
Finally, does he think Mayo can win on Sunday? Of course he does. And he thinks they can beat Donegal in the final too.
"They are not putting in the hours that every other inter-county team is with the hope of not winning an All-Ireland title. They all want to win an All-Ireland title. They are in the last three.
"Do they fear Dublin? I'd say they don't fear anybody. They have to go out with that mentality that they are going to win an All-Ireland title and I firmly believe that they are going to get over Dublin and hatch some gameplan then for Donegal."
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And half the hearts in Mayo skip a beat.
Imagine...... right, stop day-dreaming! Get those notions out of your head, and get back to work. >:(
Great to see Mac back in the green and red! Also nice to see him breaking his media silence and conducted himself very well in the interview for someone who has rarely spoken to the press.
Anyway onto the match I really don't know how this game is going to go, but obviously I would like to see Mayo prevail. I have two questions but can not come up with the answers.
Can Dublin just switch on the form when needed? What are we going to do now that Andy is out?
I agree though that we have a slight advantage with the element of suprise now that Andy is out.
People are wondering where we are going to get the scores- this is where I think we will out score Dublin:
1)Goals, like Mac has eluded to we are goal hungry and Horan has realised that if we are going to beat the big teams we are going to need goals because we haven't got that one special forward yet that can chip over a few points in a game. I think we will need at least one or two goals on Sunday.
2)Half backs, Dillon and McLoughlin, will be expected to pop over the points when they are sure there is no goal on.
3) Frees, they could be key in this game. Dublin have been very sloppy tackling this year and Cillian will have to be on his game here.
Ciaran McDonald will be on Off The Ball on Newstalk tonight at around 8:20pm!
The man rarely does interviews, don't know what's going on today, but it's great to hear from the legend!
Who gets to warm up in front of the hill
Quote from: criostlinn on August 30, 2012, 05:58:23 PM
Who gets to warm up in front of the hill
If Off the Ball have even an ounce of comic timing that should be the very first question they ask Ciaran Mc.
Theyt asked Kevin o Neill the other night about running into the hill in 06 " ahh it wasn't premeditated, its just how it worked out, we ran to the left and the hill happen to be down that way" lol
Brady is blowing his load on newstalk now ..............................
Donegal are like the new girl in town who everyone wants to ride
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Brady is blowing his load on newstalk now ..............................
Donegal are like the new girl in town who everyone wants to ride
;D
Mc Donald on newstalk now Buckos.......................... has he stopped off for a couple in Flannerys beforehand ???
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 30, 2012, 08:31:32 PM
Mc Donald on newstalk now Buckos.......................... has he stopped off for a couple in Flannerys beforehand ???
Nah, thats called a laid back Mayo accent
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 30, 2012, 08:31:32 PM
Mc Donald on newstalk now Buckos.......................... has he stopped off for a couple in Flannerys beforehand ???
I'd say all the Dubs who saw him wandering around town in a Mayo jersey did, anyways.
Newstalk Sports Show broadcasting live from the Mitchels clubhouse this Saturday with Kevin O' Neill, Kevin Walsh, Oisin McConville, Billy Joe and Liam McHale from 2 - 4.
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Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 30, 2012, 08:31:32 PM
Mc Donald on newstalk now Buckos.......................... has he stopped off for a couple in Flannerys beforehand ???
Nah, thats called a laid back Mayo accent
A couple of voice coaches I know reckon that nobody's voice could be
that laid back! ;)
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Quote from: ballinaman on August 30, 2012, 08:33:43 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 30, 2012, 08:31:32 PM
Mc Donald on newstalk now Buckos.......................... has he stopped off for a couple in Flannerys beforehand ???
Nah, thats called a laid back Mayo accent
A couple of voice coaches I know reckon that nobody's voice could be that laid back! ;)
Will wait till we hear what the Cross lads on the board think so!
Quote from: nephinman on August 30, 2012, 09:00:20 PM
Newstalk Sports Show broadcasting live from the Mitchels clubhouse this Saturday with Kevin O' Neill, Kevin Walsh, Oisin McConville, Billy Joe and Liam McHale from 2 - 4.
why are the 2 armagh men invited ?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 30, 2012, 09:19:45 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 30, 2012, 08:33:43 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 30, 2012, 08:31:32 PM
Mc Donald on newstalk now Buckos.......................... has he stopped off for a couple in Flannerys beforehand ???
Nah, thats called a laid back Mayo accent
A couple of voice coaches I know reckon that nobody's voice could be that laid back! ;)
So what if he sounded
laid back...The guy, who is so notoriously media shy and then gives several interviews on the same day???
Give the legend a break!
Quote from: oneoftheseyears on August 30, 2012, 10:13:47 PM
So what if he sounded laid back...The guy, who is so notoriously media shy and then gives several interviews on the same day???
Give the legend a break!
Calm down. Not too familiar with the meaning of emoticons?
for sunday your dinner mayo buckos will be
cluxton
fitz
roc
cian
james mc
brennan
kev nolan
bastick
fennell ??? would have thrown cahill in there
flynn
al brogan :)
cullen
connolly
Micky D
bernard
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on August 30, 2012, 10:02:06 PM
Quote from: nephinman on August 30, 2012, 09:00:20 PM
Newstalk Sports Show broadcasting live from the Mitchels clubhouse this Saturday with Kevin O' Neill, Kevin Walsh, Oisin McConville, Billy Joe and Liam McHale from 2 - 4.
why are the 2 armagh men invited ?
Doing nothing else in September I suppose ;)
Whoever wins this game won't be able to 'swing a leg' when facing Donegal's defence, according to Billy Fitzpatrick on the radio over half an hr ago... Aw well.
Quote from: Bud Wiser on August 30, 2012, 08:19:31 PM
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Nice one Bud! ;D
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=176458 (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=176458)
The game is expected to be a sell-out. Even the weather is forecast to be dry and mild with very little wind:
http://www.met.ie/forecasts/5day-ireland.asp (http://www.met.ie/forecasts/5day-ireland.asp)
Not many times have I been this excited to go to see a Mayo game but this could be a little bit special.
looking forward to this one too. no idea how it will pan out. very evenly matched sides given mayo's rejuvenation and dubs' bit of a malaise. i say bit of because the dub defence is tasty and if they can get their forwards firing again...
i'd like us to have another crack at the dubs but, other than oursleves and another northern county, i'd like nothing better than seeing mayo lift it. they're due a break. can't see them beat the dubs though unless they put up another great croker performance. it's a punt, but dubs or mayo by 2-3.
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 30, 2012, 12:10:15 AM
I am loving the disrespect from the media, the neturals and the Dubs (I don't personally think the Dubs at full hilt are actually better than us).
How many times have we seen games build up just like this for us to rip the f**kers (no particular county) to pieces. I only start to worry when the feckers start talking us up.
Off the mark dude...................majority of dubs have the upmost respect for the mayo buckos................its your country brethren, media and pundits who are showing possible disrespect and baying for a dub vs donegal final
Actually think mayo will win this
Saying that though I think they're quietly confident that a return of the 2011 performances will be good enough to knock us out.
In the absence of an AI win for Mayo I would think that's a pretty fair assesment would you not?
It's definitely a fair assessment and if you'd quoted that sentence in my full post I thought it'd be fairly clear that I wasn't questioning that point? If not my apologies.
Don't think you'd get much of an argument from most Mayo posters that the Dub's 2011 All Ireland wining form would beat us . If they recapture that level of performance on Sunday and were capable of sustaining it you will be celebrating back to back titles in my opinion.
Apols CB misread your post
Blanchardstown hospital................Mayo nurses up to no good and looking for a good horsing in coppers after the game make their rallying call
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Quote from: heffo on August 31, 2012, 08:39:34 AM
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 30, 2012, 12:10:15 AM
I am loving the disrespect from the media, the neturals and the Dubs (I don't personally think the Dubs at full hilt are actually better than us).
How many times have we seen games build up just like this for us to rip the f**kers (no particular county) to pieces. I only start to worry when the feckers start talking us up.
Off the mark dude...................majority of dubs have the upmost respect for the mayo buckos................its your country brethren, media and pundits who are showing possible disrespect and baying for a dub vs donegal final
Actually think mayo will win this
Saying that though I think they're quietly confident that a return of the 2011 performances will be good enough to knock us out.
In the absence of an AI win for Mayo I would think that's a pretty fair assesment would you not?
It's definitely a fair assessment and if you'd quoted that sentence in my full post I thought it'd be fairly clear that I wasn't questioning that point? If not my apologies.
Don't think you'd get much of an argument from most Mayo posters that the Dub's 2011 All Ireland wining form would beat us . If they recapture that level of performance on Sunday and were capable of sustaining it you will be celebrating back to back titles in my opinion.
Apols CB misread your post
No worries Heffo.
I see Ger brennan is back in. He's a decent distributor of the ball which is a plus for the Dubs and Cian O'Sullivan like Higgins for us is quick to attack from cornerback. If I was a Dubs fan I'd be pretty happy Gilroy has got the balance right.
I've a funny feeling either Jimmy Nallen or JH asked Mac to do those interviews yesterday. Media go crazy looking for an interview with the man, loads of talk of '06 and JoM and no talk at all about Mayo 2012. Maybe those rumours about a call going into Mac to help out weren't complete bull after all ;D
Getting back to Sunday can anyone recall the match-ups for the league game, specifically who picked up Connolly? I've a feeling it was either Keane or McHale. Whoever it was Connolly didn't fancy him much.
For the next day I'd like to see Keane take Connolly and Caff take B Brogan. I would assume A Brogan will play at CF and I'd have Keegan take him. If McAuley goes out the field I'd have Zippy follow him out. We need to go man-to-man in my view. You cannot sacrifice a forward or midfielder against Dublin because of their short kick-out strategy. The haven't the best fielders of the ball at midfield but both McAuley and Bastick are mobile and if we leave them free they will have an extra man off their kickouts.
We lost the game doing this against Cork in the regular league game but JH had copped onto it by the Dublin game. However Dublin played a standard formation that day. We'll have to adjust if McAuley is played as a third midfielder.
The Mayo Senior Football Team to face Dublin in the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Semi-Final this Sunday 2nd September at 3.30p.m. in Croke Park is as follows:
1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites (Capt.)
2. Kevin Keane - Westport
3. Ger Cafferkey - Ballina Stephenites
4. Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
5. Lee Keegan - Westport
6. Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
7. Colm Boyle - Davitts
8. Barry Moran - Castlebar Mitchels
9. Aidan O'Shea - Breaffy
10. Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
11. Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
12. Alan Dillon - Ballintubber
13. Enda Varley - Garrymore
14. Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber
15. Michael Conroy - Davitts
Is that official , tubberman?
Yep, just tweeted by @MayoGAA and it's on the website: http://www.sportsmanager.ie/cake/gaa2/mayo/news/160543/mayo_senior_football_team-v%27s-dublin (http://www.sportsmanager.ie/cake/gaa2/mayo/news/160543/mayo_senior_football_team-v%27s-dublin).
No surprises based on the rumours all week. Can't say it has increased my confidence levels (wouldn't be a fan of Doc at 11 or Varley starting), but we'll have to trust the lads are as well prepared as possible and see what happens on Sunday.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 31, 2012, 11:38:46 AM
Yep, just tweeted by @MayoGAA.
No surprises based on the rumours all week. Can't say it has increased my confidence levels (wouldn't be a fan of Doc at 11 or Varley starting), but we'll have to trust the lads are as well prepared as possible and see what happens on Sunday.
+1. Obviously based on current form in training so can't argue with it too much. Hon Mayo
Yeah i agree with ya tubberman but we have to believe Horan knows best i suppose.
I would of chanced Gibbbons on the 40 tbh or SOS if fit, Varley has not impressed so far this year, must be running riot at training to warrant his place.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 31, 2012, 11:33:09 AM
The Mayo Senior Football Team to face Dublin in the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Semi-Final this Sunday 2nd September at 3.30p.m. in Croke Park is as follows:
1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites (Capt.)
2. Kevin Keane - Westport
3. Ger Cafferkey - Ballina Stephenites
4. Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
5. Lee Keegan - Westport
6. Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
7. Colm Boyle - Davitts
8. Barry Moran - Castlebar Mitchels
9. Aidan O'Shea - Breaffy
10. Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
11. Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
12. Alan Dillon - Ballintubber
13. Enda Varley - Garrymore
14. Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber
15. Michael Conroy - Davitts
Selection as expected but we'll have to wait and see if there's any more changes before the throw in? If not then I think Barry and Aido we'll have to deliver big time in midfield and dominate, Doc , Enda and Conroy will have to step up a good few notches too with Cillian taking on the mantle as attacking linch-pin if we are to down the Dubs. A big ask in my opinion.
Delighted my own clubman gets the honour of leading out the Green and Red in front of a full house at Croker. Who was the last Stephenite man who got to do this? They only one I can think of is Jimmy Browne in 89? I know Ronan was captain in 2008 but we didn't get any where near an All Ireland semi that year.
Look lads if things don't go according to plan, we have SOS (I hope) McGarrity, Richie Feeney etc to come on around the middle of the field to bulk things up. For all we know, Freeman on the bench may turn out to be a great option to bring on if some other forward isn't doing the business. If they play the way they've played the last day we won't be too far away at the end. (PS, we may even win it)
prediction time mayo 1-12 dublin 2-8
Dublin will get more than 10 scores I think HorL. I expect this to be close and since the league final v Cork I've thought Mayo finally looked like a team that would be hard beat. They are now well organised and have some very good footballers from 1 to 9. However, it's from there up where I think Mayo fall short of the big boys. Mayo simply don't have a 'shoot the lights out' forward, even with Moran but certainly not without.
In saying that, Dublin have been average enough so far and while I feel they will be happy enough with their position coming into this game and will have targeted these two games as the ones to peak for there is no guarantee that will happen.
I think Mayo will end up on the 14 point mark at the long whistle so the question is whether Dublin can get more. I think they have it in them to do so but I'm not they will. Gun to the head....Mayo 1-11 Dublin 1-14.
Not sure I've ever been in the situation where there are 3 teams left in the race for Sam and I'll be happy whoever wins it. Could ye not share it between the 3 of ye lads???
Quote from: highorlow on August 31, 2012, 05:08:30 PM
prediction time mayo 1-12 dublin 2-8
mayo 2-12 dublin 1-11
Donie Vaughan - with a license to roam cos of following MDMc - to be the difference. With an engine like a Ferrari that hasn't hit top gear this summer, i feel he is the 1 ingredient in the mix that can make Mayo resulting in a scoreline of
Mayo 2-9
Dublin 1-11
Regardless of my 'prediction', i haven't seen his potential influence being discussed anywhere which is strange considering he scored 3 pts from play at the same stage last year off Declan O'Sullivan.
Actually, the analogy with a Ferrari is incorrect .... as a former champion cross country runner the point should be that he will keep going at 80% of top speed for the entire 70 minutes if necessary which no other player in the pitch would be able to match.
I'm not sure that the Dublin team named will start.
Quote from: kevmy on August 31, 2012, 10:55:14 AM
I've a funny feeling either Jimmy Nallen or JH asked Mac to do those interviews yesterday. Media go crazy looking for an interview with the man, loads of talk of '06 and JoM and no talk at all about Mayo 2012. Maybe those rumours about a call going into Mac to help out weren't complete bull after all ;D
Getting back to Sunday can anyone recall the match-ups for the league game, specifically who picked up Connolly? I've a feeling it was either Keane or McHale. Whoever it was Connolly didn't fancy him much.
For the next day I'd like to see Keane take Connolly and Caff take B Brogan. I would assume A Brogan will play at CF and I'd have Keegan take him. If McAuley goes out the field I'd have Zippy follow him out. We need to go man-to-man in my view. You cannot sacrifice a forward or midfielder against Dublin because of their short kick-out strategy. The haven't the best fielders of the ball at midfield but both McAuley and Bastick are mobile and if we leave them free they will have an extra man off their kickouts.
We lost the game doing this against Cork in the regular league game but JH had copped onto it by the Dublin game. However Dublin played a standard formation that day. We'll have to adjust if McAuley is played as a third midfielder.
why would they Kevmy?
i see breheny in the indo today has tipped the dubs... one nail in the coffin coming up!
Quote from: cadence on September 01, 2012, 07:15:57 AM
i see breheny in the indo today has tipped the dubs... one nail in the coffin coming up!
Sure that hoor never predicts anything Mayo regardless of the opposition. Dubs needn't be worried about that. I do agree with blast, discussion on Donie Vaughan has been minimal. Indeed we must remember that Mayo play a running game with all halfbacks, midfielders and half forwards able to chip in with a few scores at any stage. So do Dublin I suppose.
We will create more chances than the Dubs as we are better team. If we take them we will win comfortably enough. Expect we will prevail by 4 or 5 pts.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 01, 2012, 10:50:15 AM
We will create more chances than the Dubs as we are better team. If we take them we will win comfortably enough. Expect we will prevail by 4 or 5 pts.
Thats the spirit Mick, top of the world!
Quote from: heffo on September 01, 2012, 10:56:49 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 01, 2012, 10:50:15 AM
We will create more chances than the Dubs as we are better team. If we take them we will win comfortably enough. Expect we will prevail by 4 or 5 pts.
Thats the spirit Mick, top of the world!
The attitude seems to be surely on an upward spiral as the game draws nearer. It'll be a close game.
I reckon the fitter team will win and this is exactly why we put Down to the sword, ran them ragged.
Cian O'Neill has done some job in this regard. In the Semi last year, we just simply ran out of steam half way through the second half.
If we start well and throw down the gauntlet early, it'll be up to the Dubs to start chasing the game. For me, Dillon is the key player tomorrow if we are to prevail. If he is on fire like he was against Down, kicking points from abroad on Jones's Rd, then we will win. I know this might be a bit harsh but whenever Dillon is on form, so are Mayo.
Wish the game was today! Ar aghaidh linn!!
Quote from: Bod Mor on September 01, 2012, 11:30:25 AM
Quote from: heffo on September 01, 2012, 10:56:49 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 01, 2012, 10:50:15 AM
We will create more chances than the Dubs as we are better team. If we take them we will win comfortably enough. Expect we will prevail by 4 or 5 pts.
Thats the spirit Mick, top of the world!
I reckon the fitter team will win
Fitness to be the deciding factor in an AI semi final??
They were saying in the DubHub (a preview night in a pub in Dublin with a host of ex "stars") that Ciaran Kilkenny will be starting for the Dubs tomorrow. Apparently the story has been picked up in the Herdild today. Not sure who'll lose out, the presumption is Alan Brogan
can't wait for the game . Whats's the weather like in the big smoke ?
Fresh and Sunny.. Tomorrow's promised sunny sunny sunny... 8)
The word going around that Alan Brogan won't be starting tomorrow.
Quote from: mayo.mick on September 01, 2012, 04:49:54 PM
The word going around that Alan Brogan won't be starting tomorrow.
And that ciaran kilkenny will
Are Mayo going to warm up in front of the Hill this time too?
Worked out the last time.
Don't think we'll see Pat Gilroy throwing shoulders into the Mayo management team.
if gilroy has any sense and wants to win some kind of warm up battle he should send his team to the canal to warm up at the start.
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Quote from: cadence on September 01, 2012, 07:15:57 AM
i see breheny in the indo today has tipped the dubs... one nail in the coffin coming up!
Sure that hoor never predicts anything Mayo regardless of the opposition. Dubs needn't be worried about that. I do agree with blast, discussion on Donie Vaughan has been minimal. Indeed we must remember that Mayo play a running game with all halfbacks, midfielders and half forwards able to chip in with a few scores at any stage. So do Dublin I suppose.
nothing new for mayo not to be getting their props from national press. this one is v tight. will go down to the wire.
having said that, mayo nearly always pull one cracker of a game a season out of the bag + horan. will be tactical and if your defence is stout and mean enough you have enough up front to get the points you need i think. dubs hit form and get a run of points, it might be a different story. but they haven't as yet and i like to think that form is something that is built up... dub are not the same as last year when they were astonishing at times, particularly against tyrone. can't seem them hitting that kind of form. mayo to win i think.
I'm not convinced Alan Brogan will play. Mayo have a real chance of winning this one. The Dubs have'nt shown any sign of raising their form to last year's level. Horan and his panel have had adequate time to plan for Andy's abscence. This particular Mayo outfit have consistenly improved since he took over and they've also shown a high level of mental strength, intelligence and football ability. They wont fear Dublin tomorrow. Best of luck Mayo!
Quote from: cadence on September 01, 2012, 06:27:28 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2012, 07:30:43 AM
Quote from: cadence on September 01, 2012, 07:15:57 AM
i see breheny in the indo today has tipped the dubs... one nail in the coffin coming up!
Sure that hoor never predicts anything Mayo regardless of the opposition. Dubs needn't be worried about that. I do agree with blast, discussion on Donie Vaughan has been minimal. Indeed we must remember that Mayo play a running game with all halfbacks, midfielders and half forwards able to chip in with a few scores at any stage. So do Dublin I suppose.
nothing new for mayo not to be getting their props from national press. this one is v tight. will go down to the wire.
having said that, mayo nearly always pull one cracker of a game a season out of the bag + horan. will be tactical and if your defence is stout and mean enough you have enough up front to get the points you need i think. dubs hit form and get a run of points, it might be a different story. but they haven't as yet and i like to think that form is something that is built up... dub are not the same as last year when they were astonishing at times, particularly against tyrone. can't seem them hitting that kind of form. mayo to win i think.
I think that game masks how tight most every other major championship match of the year was for the Dubs. We played Tyrone the week before and alot of what happened to them v. Dublin can be explained by the looseness they were exhibiting even before the game. The first half of Roscommon-Tyrone was one of the most open and free-flowing halves of football I've seen at senior level in a long time. That sort of form against Dublin's mass defence was probably always only going to end in one result.
Quote from: cadence on September 01, 2012, 07:15:57 AM
i see breheny in the indo today has tipped the dubs... one nail in the coffin coming up!
I would not mind that, sure he said ''
Barry Moran was a central figure in procuring Mayo's attacking gains, but misses tomorrow's game, which further tilts the balance Dublin's way. It's a real pity -- both for Mayo and Moran -- that he's not around to impose his wide range of expertise on the Dublin defence. And whatever the background circumstances of Conor Mortimer's departure from the Mayo squad before the Connacht final, his absence is a big loss, all the more so following Moran's injury.''
Apart from the Tyrone game Dublin weren't overly impressive last year but now as All Ireland champions they are expected to turn on the style in every game?
Mayo under Horan are similar to Dublin both are strong at the back, both are physically fit/conditioned & when given space to play both have decent forwards. I think in O'Shea,Moran our neighbours have the advantage at midfield but can they make the best of that advantage?
I foresee a low scoring game with Dubs to scrape over the line.
There's a lot o optimism floating around among the Mayowr bucks.
That usually ends only one way -- Disaster :-*
Don't like either of these pair tomorrow but I suppose a Mwr win would at least show there's one reasonably good team in Connacht for the rest of us to try and emulate.
However I don't think they have the scoring power to win it while Dublin even if Alan B doesn't play should have more firepower.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 01, 2012, 09:17:13 PM
There's a lot o optimism floating around among the Mayowr bucks.
That usually ends only one way -- Disaster :-*
Don't like either of these pair tomorrow but I suppose a Mwr win would at least show there's one reasonably good team in Connacht for the rest of us to try and emulate.
However I don't think they have the scoring power to win it while Dublin even if Alan B doesn't play should have more firepower.
Jaysus you're a fairly sad oul' sack, aren't ya? It's about time Sam crosses the Shannon again, even if it's to our greatest rivals. Success breeds success and a Mayo win would force the rest of Connacht to sink or swim, the whole lot of us have got too comfortable in believing our best efforts should only equal mediocrity. It's something we should all actively want, even for selfish reasons.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 01, 2012, 09:17:13 PM
There's a lot o optimism floating around among the Mayowr bucks.
That usually ends only one way -- Disaster :-*
Don't like either of these pair tomorrow but I suppose a Mwr win would at least show there's one reasonably good team in Connacht for the rest of us to try and emulate.
However I don't think they have the scoring power to win it while Dublin even if Alan B doesn't play should have more firepower.
We're Sans pessimism in Gods country-not a sad sheep stealing f**k dog
Quote from: Syferus on September 01, 2012, 09:34:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 01, 2012, 09:17:13 PM
There's a lot o optimism floating around among the Mayowr bucks.
That usually ends only one way -- Disaster :-*
Don't like either of these pair tomorrow but I suppose a Mwr win would at least show there's one reasonably good team in Connacht for the rest of us to try and emulate.
However I don't think they have the scoring power to win it while Dublin even if Alan B doesn't play should have more firepower.
Jaysus you're a fairly sad oul' sack, aren't ya? It's about time Sam crosses the Shannon again, even if it's to our greatest rivals. Success breeds success and a Mayo win would force the rest of Connacht to sink or swim, the whole lot of us have got too comfortable in believing our best efforts should only equal mediocrity. It's something we should all actively want, even for selfish reasons.
I didn't see Kerry's 30 something Sams breeding a lot of success in the rest of Munster . Only one place I want to see Sam and it ain't going to happen this year. Sam crossing the Shannon to Galway , Mwr or Donegal if they go by train again like in 92 is of no interest to me.
And read my post again you clown - I think you'll find I made the point that a Mwr win would give the other 4 in Connacht something to aim for- even if it is only to lower the so and so's colours.
By the way they are only our "greatest rivals" over your Western neck of the woods. Up north Laythrum would be the geatest rivals while the herrin chokers are in most of the county.
Well why the f**k do you revel in every loss we suffer Rossfan? If we're not your greatest rivals. Because last time I checked you weren't from west Ros! Also can we not be optimistic!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 02, 2012, 12:34:22 AM
Well why the f**k do you revel in every loss we suffer Rossfan? If we're not your greatest rivals. Because last time I checked you weren't from west Ros! Also can we not be optimistic!
Guilty as charged!
I m getting f**k all optimism around the place? Mood locally is very ..........well subdued. Maybe it s more in the lads away that the optimism is present.
The selection has done nothing for optimism but it was always going to be that way after the Andy injury. Apart from Richie Feeney very few players have got game time that has worked out. My hope is that management would prefer to start some players because they don t trust them to make an impact later. It ll be a 20 man game and when and who comes in is probably more imprtant than the shite about a starting 15.
Anybody read Eugend McGee s bit today ( Didn t buy it of course - would not put a cent in that **** or Brehony s pocket) ?
Used the minor loss to Meath as another example of Mayo s weak mentality, explaining senior failure since 51. Only thing that mattered - injuries and ref decisions were conveniently ignored - so he could build his case to back up his usual agenda.
Oh the irony. His Offaly got over the line thanks to a benevolent Mayo ref. back in 82. I like Offaly Gaa culture but I detest this **** having cred from that.
Gobshite of the highest order.
McGee and others will have to learn a new tune in 3 weeks time.
I think everybody at this stage knows that Mcgee is not even the first cousin of a good analyst except his employers at the sindo.Same crap every week.Tomorrow is going to be a very tough game for Mayo to win with out Andy Moran and you would have to expect Dublin to be at the top of there game even tho they have not been convincing all year, but they are still the all ireland champs and the team to beat.I think for Mayo to win we will have to get the performance of a lifetime from Michael Conroy and Cillian OConnor in the full forward line as we have to stretch there defense to open up our running game.Being realistic Dublin have more scoring power and should win but I am hoping that Mayo,like Donegal are greater than the sum of there parts and will not take defeat for an answer and go on to contest the all ireland final on sept 23rd
Quote from: Syferus on September 01, 2012, 08:43:23 PM
Quote from: cadence on September 01, 2012, 06:27:28 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2012, 07:30:43 AM
Quote from: cadence on September 01, 2012, 07:15:57 AM
i see breheny in the indo today has tipped the dubs... one nail in the coffin coming up!
Sure that hoor never predicts anything Mayo regardless of the opposition. Dubs needn't be worried about that. I do agree with blast, discussion on Donie Vaughan has been minimal. Indeed we must remember that Mayo play a running game with all halfbacks, midfielders and half forwards able to chip in with a few scores at any stage. So do Dublin I suppose.
nothing new for mayo not to be getting their props from national press. this one is v tight. will go down to the wire.
having said that, mayo nearly always pull one cracker of a game a season out of the bag + horan. will be tactical and if your defence is stout and mean enough you have enough up front to get the points you need i think. dubs hit form and get a run of points, it might be a different story. but they haven't as yet and i like to think that form is something that is built up... dub are not the same as last year when they were astonishing at times, particularly against tyrone. can't seem them hitting that kind of form. mayo to win i think.
I think that game masks how tight most every other major championship match of the year was for the Dubs. We played Tyrone the week before and alot of what happened to them v. Dublin can be explained by the looseness they were exhibiting even before the game. The first half of Roscommon-Tyrone was one of the most open and free-flowing halves of football I've seen at senior level in a long time. That sort of form against Dublin's mass defence was probably always only going to end in one result.
i take your point (geddit!)... but tyrone didn't open the gates and let dubs walk through that day. dubs were hot that day. high tempo and great accuracy, almost every ball stuck. they just had a great day.
was a bit of both? tyrone went mano y mano, and dubs were purring. they play like that today, there's only going to be one winner. but they won't, so it's mayo all the way i think.
It's easy to get up on morningsese, nothing beats the championship buzz!
There was nice buzz around Dublin last night. Word was that Fennell and A.Brogan were out and O'Gara and Kilkenny were coming in.
Anyway best of luck to the team and management today and no matter what I'll be proud of the boys.
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 02, 2012, 09:36:31 AM
It's easy to get up on morningsese, nothing beats the championship buzz!
There was nice buzz around Dublin last night. Word was that Fennell and A.Brogan were out and O'Gara and Kilkenny were coming in.
Anyway best of luck to the team and management today and no matter what I'll be proud of the boys.
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!
Dropping Fennel would be a bad sign for Gilroy. Would indicate that he's going against what he believes and pandering to the "experts". Very hard to believe given Gilroy's history in the job
Whilst I'd like to see a Funegal v Dublin final, I think it will be like 2010 with 2 new teams in the final. All Dubs I've spoken to in last 2 weeks are talking about the final & how they know how to beat Donegal
Quote from: ross4life on September 01, 2012, 09:15:58 PM
Apart from the Tyrone game Dublin weren't overly impressive last year but now as All Ireland champions they are expected to turn on the style in every game?
Dublin's performance in the all Ireland final is under rated by many.
The first 10 minutes were very cagey. The next 30, Dublin dominated, out scoring Kerry 8 scores to 2, with Kerry's great goal keeping them in it. Dublin's equally good goal at the end of Kerry's 20 min purple patch preceded superb scores under severe pressure by Nolan, brogan and cluxton.
If Dublin can repeat that level of performance I'd fancy them very strongly, but agree completely that it's a massive ask to turn it on today, when it's really 11 months since they played to that level.
The important question is are Mayo good enough to beat Dublin 2012. And the great thing about this game, is that nobody really knows. By a distance it's the biggest test either team will have had this year
On board with the hated enemy. Didn't wear my Ros-acaun hat (with bells). Carriage more spacious than expected. Stations mustn't have sold through fully. Mayo cailins singing. More dispatches if I survive journey.
Quote from: Hound on September 02, 2012, 09:53:37 AM
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 02, 2012, 09:36:31 AM
It's easy to get up on morningsese, nothing beats the championship buzz!
There was nice buzz around Dublin last night. Word was that Fennell and A.Brogan were out and O'Gara and Kilkenny were coming in.
Anyway best of luck to the team and management today and no matter what I'll be proud of the boys.
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!
Dropping Fennel would be a bad sign for Gilroy. Would indicate that he's going against what he believes and pandering to the "experts". Very hard to believe given Gilroy's history in the job
He's been on the B team in training in recent games
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 02, 2012, 12:34:22 AM
Well why the f**k do you revel in every loss we suffer Rossfan? If we're not your greatest rivals. Because last time I checked you weren't from west Ros! Also can we not be optimistic!
I don't really revel in it. Just a bit of bad minded smiling maybe. :-*
Ye can be optimistic or whatever ye wish -- just that the more optimism emitting from ye the bigger the disaster usually.
Anyway enjoy the day out and sure ye'd never know - ye might make us suffer another 3 weeks of optimism :( ;D
Mayo by 4. Hard to be objective from 12,000 miles mind you.
Whoever wins today will win the All Ireland
That's the glory of sport, Stephenite. I think exactly the opposite. Dublin by four and no matter who wins today, Donegal will win the All-Ireland.
Optimism springs eternal, yet another beautiful aspect of it all! ;)
Off to Croker now, still can't call it. If Dublin find form I don't think they'll overrun us but I think we'll struggle to get enough scores and it'll be the jacks by 2-3 pts. However if they don't click I fancy us by 4 pts. Slightly surprised by Gilroys apparent mind games, the whole "Alan Brogan is fit and back training" line to the strong speculation that he isn't fit to play at all today. That and the rumour that Fennel will be dropped makes me wonder had he already accepted 2 weeks ago that Brogan wouldn't make it and had to work on how to play without him.
So Alan Brogan is out! Makes the game interesting. Colm Boyle out also. :(
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2012, 02:13:40 PM
So Alan Brogan is out! Makes the game interesting. Colm Boyle out also. :(
Is Boyle confirmed? Who's in?
Quote from: stephenite on September 02, 2012, 12:39:59 PM
Mayo by 4. Hard to be objective from 12,000 miles mind you.
Whoever wins today will win the All Ireland
Could not disagree more, Dublin will win today and lose to Donegal in the final, it is their year.
Alan Brogan starting?
I hope the first 3 minutes aren't a sign of a typical Mayo bottle job coming up. A double hop, a mix up with no calling between 2 defenders and a hopeless shot miles wide.
:-\
Bag of nerves one score should settle them.
TIT FOR TAT at the moment!
Both sides showing nerves
How is that not a yellow for Cullen?
McQuillian mark one! >:(
Oh Jesus that finger :(
Blow to Mayo that
Great point from Barry Moran
Dublin look out if it after 20 minutes. Mayos day?
Dillon with a cracker
6-3 Mayo after 23
Mayo will win this if they keep this up. Dubs look jaded
6-5 two mins late
Going to be nip/tuck all the way
Aidan O Se completely out muscles Michael Daragh.McCauley on two occasions now. He is some power house.
Very open game for an AI semi. 32mins gone and already 15 points. Just hope Mayo don't give away a sloppy goal. Teams seem to do that vs Dublin.
Still think whoever wins this gets beat by Donegal in the final
Come on Mayo. Give it bfhaca tu.
Look's like a Donegal v Mayo final.
Great half from Mayo ;D
12-6 up
Have to say they are twice the team I thought they were at the start of the year. Just hope they can keep it up because the Dubs will come at them at 100mph for 15mins in the 2nd half. They need to continue doing what they are doing and not go into their shell to protect the lead.
That's a great first half by Mayo.
No egos
Dubs rattled completely. I thought they would have enough for Mayo but it looks like they are lacking the hunger for the fight here!
Along with that they have the wrong lads on the ball all the time MD McAuley, Cullen and Nolan have had chances to score points in that half and have passed them to others in worse positions. The one worrying thing for Mayo would be that hole they have at CHB. If the Dubs were at themselves they would be capitalising that.
First ten of the second half are vital, if Mayo can tag on a point or two and concede no goals they should do it. Come on the green and red!
Quote from: stephenite on September 02, 2012, 04:12:06 PM
That's a great first half by Mayo.
No egos
They are honest and they work hard and they can play football.
Great to see. Come on Mayo .
Come on Maigh Eo! The Dubs will come out sharp for this second half, survive the first 10 and survive the rest.
Jeez I couldn't play with Connolly. Pissing away chances that lads are busting their bollox to create. He takes the me fein option every time and looks like he couldn't give a shite that he's wasting hard earned scoring opportunities.
Quote from: Ard-Rí on September 02, 2012, 04:17:28 PM
Come on Maigh Eo! The Dubs will come out sharp for this second half, survive the first 10 and survive the rest.
Long way to go, survive the first 20 minutes!!!
81000 people at the match. I wonder how many Dubs.
Dunno if Mayo can keep this up. They've used up a game's worth of energy and everything has gone right for them. Very impressive. But if Dublin get a bit of momentum it'll be hard for Mayo to get the initiative back. Dublin still for me, because they're still physically the stronger and it'll tell in time. But they'll need a goal.
When you see Bernard Brogan winning possession and laying it off immediately you just know there's something not quite right in that Dublin team. Mayo can only throw it away now but i doubt they will. Should be a crackin' 2nd half.
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 02, 2012, 04:18:34 PM
Jeez I couldn't play with Connolly. Pissing away chances that lads are busting their bollox to create. He takes the me fein option every time and looks like he couldn't give a shite that he's wasting hard earned scoring opportunities.
The alternative view is that at least he has the balls to take responsibility and he has little enough help or options at times.
Quote from: stephenite on September 02, 2012, 04:19:20 PM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on September 02, 2012, 04:17:28 PM
Come on Maigh Eo! The Dubs will come out sharp for this second half, survive the first 10 and survive the rest.
Long way to go, survive the first 20 minutes!!!
Connacht men are looking very good though ... I'm almost prepared to say they'll keep the head in the second half. Getting the bounce with the referee's decisions too, but regardless, if the points keep flying over from those differences Dublin won't make it.
Quote from: Hardy on September 02, 2012, 04:21:40 PM
Dunno if Mayo can keep this up. They've used up a game's worth of energy and everything has gone right for them. Very impressive. But if Dublin get a bit of momentum it'll be hard for Mayo to get the initiative back. Dublin still for me, because they're still physically the stronger and it'll tell in time. But they'll need a goal.
Yep, an early goal could be crucial.
Keep the head and stick to the game plan
Good save
Mayo have to take those chances to add on easy points. Try to kill them off because if it gets close again you'd fancy Dublin pulling through.
Didn't take Cluxton as long today to hit a 45
This should be red
Its a disgrace if its not a red. Clear punch, busted the guys nose, maybe broke it.
An absolute disgrace. Dublin getting away with murder in Croke Park as usual
Acting and playing like scum
Didn't even book the right man, joke. Mayo are cruising.
16-7
TAKE IT YOU DIRTY DUBS
Mayo giving Dublin a footballing lesson.
How good has feeney been!
Surely even Mayo can't fucknthis up! Should have been a goal there.
Mayo 15
It could be their year. And why not?
Quote from: Hardy on September 02, 2012, 04:23:03 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 02, 2012, 04:18:34 PM
Jeez I couldn't play with Connolly. Pissing away chances that lads are busting their bollox to create. He takes the me fein option every time and looks like he couldn't give a shite that he's wasting hard earned scoring opportunities.
The alternative view is that at least he has the balls to take responsibility and he has little enough help or options at times.
Why would he turn outside onto his weaker left foot and swing a boot at it constantly when he can turn inside onto his right with conviction
Blown away by this performance, but Dubs nowhere near same side as last year. Key players injured, key players lost all form, lack of hunger throughout the team.
Donegal have none of those issues
The Dubs look like the Cork fuballers and the Tipp hurlers. It's very hard to keep going after winning that elusive All Ireland.
This is a strange one, i can see Dublin running it tight!
4 in a row from dublin, 6 behind with 14 to go plus injury time. Hm.
Quote from: Collins on September 02, 2012, 04:49:37 PM
4 in a row from dublin, 6 behind with 14 to go plus injury time. Hm.
Depends on what Mayo do when they regain the initiative. And how many wides Dublin get.
Only 4 points in it now how are Dublin still in this game?
Can anymore Mayo Players get injured! Getting mad!
How have Mayo allowed Dublin back into this?
17-7 to 17-13 in 10 minutes
7 mins to go, going to be about 6 mins injury time too
3 minutes injury time anyone?
Going to be 6-8 minutes added?
How is that a free? Both went for the ball and cleaned heads!
Mayo gone to pieces. >:(
Mayo need one score. Just one to settle them
Jesus Christ
Missed Brogan one one one, then a point
2 point ball game
Some save. Mayo need a score badly.
HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!
O'Connor misses when its easier to score. Bottlers.
Mayo have shit the bags, bad miss there.
Another classic semi final i hope we get 15 minutes of injury time.
The old adage of "Just stick it over the feckin bar" springs to mind!!
Nothing changed from last year-dorty Dubs being chauffered to the final. Money talks.
Lol
Conroy's turn to shit himself. WTF was that?
5 mins extra time and Mayo haven't scored for 20 minutes. Come on Mayo.
Mayo don't want to be favs for the final.
That ll do.
Big score from O'Connor
Cillian O Connor scores for Mayo.
If they can keep the dubs more than 1 point behind then Clucko can't save them.
I can't imagine the state of the Mayo posters' fingernails.
that catch from Mayo 8 probably has won it for tjem
Seamie o Se with the point 19 to 16, 30 secs left up Mayo
:D
Quote from: seafoid on September 02, 2012, 05:06:24 PM
I can't imagine the state of the Mayo posters' fingernails.
Do Mayo people have fingernails to start with?? ;)
Best team won. Donegal v Mayo will be a great final.
and it's saved by Mayo and they are in the all Ireland final!
Fair play Mayo
Mayo's last 25 mins was shocking. That lack of composure and mental strength doesn't win all Ireland's- completely dependent on Dublin's wastefulness.
Donegal will win with a bit to spare
Well done Mayo! Looking forward to the AIF...
Congrats to Mayo.
Best sort of match to win really. A great test of Mayo's character.
Lots to work on. And Donegal will be favourites.
And it's a long way from Pearse Park in Longford.
Well done Mayo, thought they'd blown it.
Mayo try their best to lose. Better team won. Fair play to Mayo. Will they score 19 points agin Donegal??
Joke they let it get so close
17-7 up with 20mins to go and they just hang on with panic stations being hit by every player
Donegal will never let them get so far in front and will have a period of domination when the game is tight, and if thats how Mayo respond, Sam might as well be resting in Letterkenny tonight.
Christ Maigh Eo would test your patience with their inability to close a game out - when you're cheering for them that is!
Well done Maigh Eo, but I think Donegal will fancy their chances in a big way.
Quote from: Collins on September 02, 2012, 05:12:14 PM
Joke they let it get so close
17-7 up with 20mins to go and they just hang on with panic stations being hit by every player
Donegal will never let them get so far in front and will have a period of domination when the game is tight, and if thats how Mayo respond, Sam might as well be resting in Letterkenny tonight.
earlier in the week everyone was saying Mayo had an easy ride to thesemi final. Donegal beat Tyrone, Kerry and cork and Mayo beat sligo and Down.
Dublin is a fantastic scalp and they fought right to the end and it was a much harder semifinal than Cork. So fair play to Mayo. Winning by 10 points would have been no good.
Poor second half-we could've buried them earlier.
It's a real shame that we're meeting the best Gaelic Football team in the world ever in the final.
Brolly confirms that Donegal are the winners from today.
I don't care - this Mayo team have something I've never seen ( I was there in 89, 96, 97, 04)
We'll win the All Ireland.
And a word for Dublin, apart from all the shite they were up to, they eventually made a game of it. And mayo were as cynical as they come. Good luck to them and donegal in the final.
Quote from: seafoid on September 02, 2012, 05:03:59 PM
Mayo don't want to be favs for the final.
They made sure of that with the last 15 minutes. We're in another final. Jez, it's hard to believe looking at us 18 months ago!
Quote from: seafoid on September 02, 2012, 05:10:59 PM
Best sort of match to win really. A great test of Mayo's character.
Lots to work on. And Donegal will be favourites.
And it's a long way from Pearse Park in Longford.
A long way from last year's Ruislip game. Superb match Mayo almost let it slip but fully deserved the win. Donegal will be favourites for the final & that will suit Mayo fine.
Quote from: stephenite on September 02, 2012, 05:16:26 PM
Poor second half-we could've buried them earlier.
It's a real shame that we're meeting the best Gaelic Football team in the world ever in the final.
Brolly confirms that Donegal are the winners from today.
I don't care - this Mayo team have something I've never seen ( I was there in 89, 96, 97, 04)
We'll win the All Ireland.
That's the spirit. It could end up being really ordinary, scoring points for fun in the last 10 minutes.
I can't wait to see Horan's tactics against super puke fuball/rugby league.
Well done Mayo. Hope they win the final now. I thought Higgins, Cafferkey and in particular McLoughlin were excellent. They fell apart when he was off the field.
I'm sure Gilroy will regret not starting with O'Gara and McManamon. How big a loss was Mickey Whelan to the management? McAuley might look a bit awkward on the ball but he is some player.
I hope Cian O'Neill will be part of the Kildare backroom team in the years to come.
McLoughlin is absolutely HUGE for us. Another big game and he's in line for POTY
Great to be in a Final. A final without Kerry for a change! Donegal are a different animal, but this is their first final (in a long time). The Hype in Donegal is mental at the moment. Believe it or not the hype has been drained out of us from other AI finals, so i expect a lower key run for us compared to Donegal. This could be key!
Quote from: stephenite on September 02, 2012, 05:29:12 PM
McLoughlin is absolutely HUGE for us. Another big game and he's in line for POTY
Mayos bench was used fully today, most of the time not by choice. We have more dept than we thought.
Well done to Mayo.
I think the All Ireland is nicely set up for them this year against the best team ever ;). I expect this will be hardest All Ireland to get tickets for in years.
Actually enjoyed both semi finals (to my surprise). After a summer of Euros and Olympics the GAA finally strike back.
Well done Mayo but ye almost blew it. Seafoid is correct. A long road has been travelled from Longford and for that, respect!
Many non Dubs shedding tears?
Don't think so.
Quote from: stephenite on September 02, 2012, 05:16:26 PM
Poor second half-we could've buried them earlier.
It's a real shame that we're meeting the best Gaelic Football team in the world ever in the final.
Brolly confirms that Donegal are the winners from today.
I don't care - this Mayo team have something I've never seen ( I was there in 89, 96, 97, 04)
We'll win the All Ireland.
You're halfway there with your prediction anyway. Quite right too that Mayo do have something that was never there before. I don't agree with others here that we saw a second half collapse from Mayo in the traditional sense of mentally going to pieces. It was just that they were worn out physically. Far from a mental collapse, it was only mental resolve that kept them in it as well as a tremendous defensive performance and Dublin's almost complete absence of scoring potential, apart from their goalkeeper. Superb contest, though.
I still think the physical difference is a worry for the final, even if Mayo are unrecognisable from the lads who had the life shaken out of them like rag dolls by Cork in the league final.
Betfair odds for the final:
Donegal 1.52
Mayo 2.84
Dublin came back into the game after Mayo lost their shape due to all the injuries, McLoughlin, Varley, Keane, Keegan were all injured at some stage in the second half. Glad it was close in the end it will keep their feet on the ground.
Mayo deserved that. They will get some of the players who went off injured back for the final and the O Ses will be playing themselves back into form too.
Donegal should be favourites but if they cough up a couple of goals they mightt not be good enough to win it.
Announcement from Big Phil Hogan , The Red Cow Roundabout in Longford will be a tolled junction from the 21st to the 24th of September to take advantage of the Mayo and Donegal traffic converging where the N5 meets the N4. Local blue-shirt TD James "Ab Lincoln" Bannon has welcome this announcement
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 02, 2012, 05:57:03 PM
Mayo deserved that. They will get some of the players who went off injured back for the final and the O Ses will be playing themselves back into form too.
Donegal should be favourites but if they cough up a couple of goals they mightt not be good enough to win it.
Delighted for Mayo but they shat the bed in the last 25 minutes.................................... in the semi final, they do that for 10-12 minutes against Donegal in the final and they are fcuked.
Donegal are a machine but Mayo will take great heart that they beat the AI champions, despite dunging the togs for a large portion of the second half.
Quote from: Hardy on September 02, 2012, 04:21:40 PM
Dunno if Mayo can keep this up. They've used up a game's worth of energy and everything has gone right for them. Very impressive. But if Dublin get a bit of momentum it'll be hard for Mayo to get the initiative back. Dublin still for me, because they're still physically the stronger and it'll tell in time. But they'll need a goal.
I think your half time comment is bang on and in this context we should place the win. They destroyed the ai champions and whilst they ran out of steam, they closed it out and that's all that counts. They moved on well from the mortimergate Saga. I think the two best performing managers this year have guided their teams to the final.
what a game.
congrats to mayo. dublin must rue not really getting going until the last 20/25 mins. it's too late to start playing when it's too late to start playing. takes being in a bind for them to start playing like we know they can. strangely subdued this year. just don't geddit.
although, once dubs committed more men in midfield they cleaned up and got their half-backs going forward and looked a different team.
overall, hard to disagree that mayo were deserved winners... the better team, better forwards on the day and just had too much for dublin to handle. bar a few incidents, mayo never looked like being overrun.
mayo should be confident about the final after that performance.
Quote from: rrhf on September 02, 2012, 06:09:08 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 02, 2012, 04:21:40 PM
Dunno if Mayo can keep this up. They've used up a game's worth of energy and everything has gone right for them. Very impressive. But if Dublin get a bit of momentum it'll be hard for Mayo to get the initiative back. Dublin still for me, because they're still physically the stronger and it'll tell in time. But they'll need a goal.
I think your half time comment is bang on and in this context we should place the win. They destroyed the ai champions and whilst they ran out of steam, they closed it out and that's all that counts. They moved on well from the mortimergate Saga. I think the two best performing managers this year have guided their teams to the final.
horan and mcguinness running tings.
great to see donegal and mayo contesting the final. who'dah thunk it.
Along expected lines though made it tough for ourselves with missed goal chances. Only 3 weeks to end of famine.
Much easier to fool the enemy on return journey; most inebriated on natural and unnatural highs. No singing. Yet.
What was O'Rourke talking about after the game when he said "Bernard Brogan became bigger than football and his football suffered" ?
Well done May.What a game. Not easy to win back to back titles.
Well done Mayo better team won on the day.............................. your physio should be ashamed of herself though
THought that ref would call 3 extra minutes at the end and play 2.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 02, 2012, 07:16:31 PM
Well done Mayo better team won on the day.............................. your physio should be ashamed of herself though
Why? What happened with the Physio?
Quote from: Take Your Points on September 02, 2012, 07:40:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2012, 07:37:24 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 02, 2012, 07:16:31 PM
Well done Mayo better team won on the day.............................. your physio should be ashamed of herself though
Why? What happened with the Physio?
She spent more time on the field than Alan Brogan!
Well that was not long then.
Well done Mayowr , best team on the day but made heavy weather of the last quarter and looked like ye were going to blow it.
Some display in the 10 minutes or so each side of half time , some mighty points and great deliveries to the forwards.
Dublin were a shadow of the hungry team of last year but still fought back well and with more help from McQuillan might have snaked it.
Great save by Clarke to save the day.
For Farrandeelin's benefit - I pity the poor people of West Roscommon who will have to listen to some spoutin for the next three weeks and God knows how many weeks after. ??? :o
Quote from: Jinxy on August 04, 2012, 08:45:01 PM
Mayos to lose on todays evidence.
Discuss.
Jez, Jinxy are you psychic?
Great stuff from james horan. Progress from last year and now they are 70 minutes from 1951. A storming last 5 mins could blow donegal away. 4 all irelands between them. Surely they can do it.
Congrats Mayo. Great game. I agree with Hardy's analysis that they tired in the 2nd half rather than panicked. It showed bottle to hold on to the lead and nail those last 2 points at the end (not to mention Barry Moran's brilliant catch). Plus Dublin showed have been down to 14 players for the 2nd half. Dublin improved when the subs came on. They should have started. Not a good day for Gilroy.
It promises to be a great final between two counties that have both great supporters. Donegal will be favourites and Mayo players and supporters wont be as hyped as the other finals. This is nicely set up for them and I really think they can do it.
Congrats to Mayo. Delighted for their supporters. Great barnstorming performance for the first 50/55 minutes, that was everything good about gaelic football. Had to hold on grimly for the win, but they should use that to their advantage now in the lead up to the final. Hard luck to Dublin. Great effort to claw back the deficit. They were true champions the way they threw everything at Mayo.
Should be a great final and atmosphere around Dublin that weekend. Two fresh teams with no baggage of each other and who each have a realistic chance of glory if they play to their potential and go for it.
Quote from: Armamike on September 02, 2012, 08:49:28 PM
Congrats to Mayo. Delighted for their supporters. Great barnstorming performance for the first 50/55 minutes, that was everything good about gaelic football. Had to hold on grimly for the win, but they should use that to their advantage now in the lead up to the final. Hard luck to Dublin. Great effort to claw back the deficit. They were true champions the way they threw everything at Mayo.
Should be a great final and atmosphere around Dublin that weekend. Two fresh teams with no baggage of each other and who each have a realistic chance of glory if they play to their potential and go for it.
gilroy was fairly narked when he was interviewed on Radio 1 afterwards. Whoever interviewed him implied Dublin were lazy and it didn't go down well...
Best team by far won. I think Mayo will beat donegal and it will be a great victory for football lovers if they do. Rugby league lovers might not be do happy.
Listening to Marty interviewing James Horan after the game and he expresses surprise that Mayo were able to score 19 points as he alluded to that tired old clichey of Mayo forwards kicking wides.I would say Horan was ready to give him a slap :)
What's the story with that dick mcstay going on about the ref all the time. I thought ref did ok today.
I'll comment in detail tomorrow but before the Sunday game I'll say it MD MacCauley doesn't get MOTM it's an absolute disgrace, best player on the pitch by far
Why is commentator referring to Doherty as "the goalscorer".
I've a funny feeling that this year is Donegal's year. Their 'project' is a bit ahead of Mayo's. But these boys from the west will definitely win an AI in the next two years. Some absolutely fantastic players in their team, spread from corner back to corner forward.
I see Martin 'Mayo must have pissed in his tea' McHugh is on the Sunday Game!
Having watched the match again putting an injured Alan BRogan on did not work yet they put up one he'll of a fight as ALl Ireland CHamio s and will be back.
Quote from: johnpower on September 02, 2012, 10:01:58 PM
Having watched the match again putting an injured Alan BRogan on did not work yet they put up one he'll of a fight as ALl Ireland CHamio s and will be back.
+1
Very hard to do it two years in a row in the modern game!
It's great for Mayo but the only reservation I would have is the songs that will be coming out over the next few weeks, many on MWR.
of course there are no non-dubs shedding tears thats because the mucksavage,in-bred, clergy worshipping 31 county alliance is in full force. f**k off out of dublin you c***ts, you're not welcome. never forget that.
Quote from: Seamy Beag Muldoon on September 02, 2012, 10:25:41 PM
of course there are no non-dubs shedding tears thats because the mucksavage,in-bred, clergy worshipping 31 county alliance is in full force. f**k off out of dublin you c***ts, you're not welcome. never forget that.
Great contribution to the board and thread seamy
Hard luck today
The whole thing is obviously very raw having just got home after that shambles and clise on major embarassement to dublin football!M! An awful lot of stuff not right about today!!! One thing I will say though is unless Bernard Brogan is going to commit properly to Dublin football he should go off to his bar buying, modelling, blogging, media focused career. You do one or the other. Our top top player that we couldn't live without two years ago is now a bleeding useless distraction and liability. So with all due respect Bernard choose one or the other because with the other stuff going on you're making a complete ballix of the football side!!!
And one other opinion!! Pat thanks for last year! Sincerely! But without Mickey Whelan you don't really have a clue what you're at!!
Quote from: Seamy Beag Muldoon on September 02, 2012, 10:25:41 PM
of course there are no non-dubs shedding tears thats because the mucksavage,in-bred, clergy worshipping 31 county alliance is in full force. f**k off out of dublin you c***ts, you're not welcome. never forget that.
What about London and new York, they wanted ye to lose too. Otherwise an excellent post.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on September 02, 2012, 10:50:18 PM
The whole thing is obviously very raw having just got home after that shambles and clise on major embarassement to dublin football!M! An awful lot of stuff not right about today!!! One thing I will say though is unless Bernard Brogan is going to commit properly to Dublin football he should go off to his bar buying, modelling, blogging, media focused career. You do one or the other. Our top top player that we couldn't live without two years ago is now a bleeding useless distraction and liability. So with all due respect Bernard choose one or the other because with the other stuff going on you're making a complete ballix of the football side!!!
And one other opinion!! Pat thanks for last year! Sincerely! But without Mickey Whelan you don't really have a clue what you're at!!
Hill 16 Blues is right! Get over it matey, it wasn't that bad. Very little to do with Gilroy either, in my estimation, though Alan Brogan was the wrong choice today, Maigh Eo were much stronger defending than Dublin were attacking. I'm sure the Dubs will be back with hunger next year, so don't throw the toys out of the pram, you can't win every year.
Quote from: Hardy on September 02, 2012, 05:46:30 PM
You're halfway there with your prediction anyway. Quite right too that Mayo do have something that was never there before. I don't agree with others here that we saw a second half collapse from Mayo in the traditional sense of mentally going to pieces. It was just that they were worn out physically. Far from a mental collapse, it was only mental resolve that kept them in it as well as a tremendous defensive performance and Dublin's almost complete absence of scoring potential, apart from their goalkeeper. Superb contest, though.
It would be worrying indeed if Mayo were indeed so physically worn out after 50 minutes of the match. I don't think that was the case though, I think they did indeed panic when the finishing line was in sight, albeit the injuries did also reduce the strength of their team. The heads went and they let Dublin back in when they were pretty much dead and buried. Some of the decision making in the end was really poor also, going for goals when they had simple points on. After 50 minutes I was thinking this Mayo team could certainly beat Donegal. The manner in which they allowed the Dubs back in the closing 20 minutes however showed a soft underbelly. I cannot see how Donegal won't take advantage of that.
Despite all the doom and gloom about Gaelic Football from some I really enjoyed both semi finals. Great pairing for the final and I am looking forward to the build up and to the match itself.
I've put together a tactical analysis piece on today's game for anyone interested.
http://action81.com/blog/?p=6171
Quote from: seafoid on September 02, 2012, 10:20:06 PM
It's great for Mayo but the only reservation I would have is the songs that will be coming out over the next few weeks, many on MWR.
There was great craic with the 9pm slot presenter taking seriously a text that said 'Play some Sam Maguire'. He said he didn't know of any artists called Sam Maguire..
He wouldn't relent to requests to play The Green and Red of Mayo because 'this is a traditional music show', either. They should just get that lad to read out texts for two hours a night - it was wonderful.
I even saw the Viper outside the Hogan Stand on my way in, today pretty much had everything.
Quote from: Minder on September 02, 2012, 06:51:24 PM
What was O'Rourke talking about after the game when he said "Bernard Brogan became bigger than football and his football suffered" ?
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Quitting his job and becoming an "IT" boy in Dublin might have something to do with it.
Wow. Mayo..., hard to sum it us up really. Think i nearly blacked out at the final whistle for a few seconds with relief/joy/. Every last one of the lads, heroes. Clarkey and Caff...proud man here, some game.
Congrats to Dublin, true champions. Some comeback, many a team would have thrown in the towel, very gracious the knowledgeable people i met tonight...MDM all star nailed on, MOM.
Cafferkey and Dillon were immense today. Cillian showing how important he is to us for frees. Aidan has really developed as a player, he was calm and a pure powerhouse near the end when it looked like we were losing shape. The entire team, subs and bloodsubs were so honest in their effort, cynical as f**k and knew their jobs, was great to watch as a Mayoman. What was nearly as exciting as a Mayoman to see as the first 50 minutes of lovely football was the 20+++++++ minutes of the dark arts at the end, win at all costs. Some amount of Mayo lads picking up knocks though!!! That was some save by Clarke too.
Crikey,I'd love to give Brolly a slap,nasty little man.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 03, 2012, 01:13:46 AM
Cafferkey and Dillon were immense today. Cillian showing how important he is to us for frees. Aidan has really developed as a player, he was calm and a pure powerhouse near the end when it looked like we were losing shape. The entire team, subs and bloodsubs were so honest in their effort, cynical as f**k and knew their jobs, was great to watch as a Mayoman. What was nearly as exciting as a Mayoman to see as the first 50 minutes of lovely football was the 20+++++++ minutes of the dark arts at the end, win at all costs. Some amount of Mayo lads picking up knocks though!!! That was some save by Clarke too.
I think Cafferkey,Dillon have been immense all year and you can place Barry Moran along side them. O'Connor's free taking is huge to Mayo remember those games v Galway,London last year? as the saying goes never underestimate the importance of good freetaker.
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 03, 2012, 01:33:34 AM
Crikey,I'd love to give Brolly a slap,nasty little man.
If I'd have my way he'd be at the bottom of the royal canal with a few concrete blocks around his ankles.....
Quote from: stephenite on September 02, 2012, 12:39:59 PM
Mayo by 4. Hard to be objective from 12,000 miles mind you.
Whoever wins today will win the All Ireland
wrong by the minimum,but wrong no less,and you a Stephenite ;)
What did Brolly say??
Quote from: tyroneman on September 03, 2012, 07:22:44 AM
What did Brolly say??
He is a wee tr**p, just watched the 1st half after i came home from the match and there he was spluttering and spitting about mayo and their mental attitutide. i'm sick to fcuk of this man spouting shite and getting paid a fortune of our money going on about our mental attitude, our lack of scoring forwards ect ect ect . There is nothing wrong with our attitude this is our 5th final since 1996(6th including the repay) we get knocked down but keep coming back for more . This please god will be the 6th Ai final buildup that i will enjoy as a supporter how many have derry fans (no offence lads) enjoyed in that period and some day we will know what it feels like to win one, hopefully this year if not we will just come back again.I was hoping i meet the wee ballax on the way to the match and have a coupla focail with him ;) Anyway enough about that gobshite yesterdays match was unreal thought the players were emmense . Mickey conroy was brilliant in the 1st half his off the ball running was a sight to behold, cillian o'connors compousre when kicking in to the hill and them all booing him was unreal for a young lad, kevins mc loughlin workrate and distribution into the forward line, Alan dillon emmense, the whole team were excellent .Ok i know for the last 20 minutes we let the dubs come back into it but so did Kerry last year however we held out, so one again despite our great performance yesterday all the pundits and experts will look at the negatives of the last 20 minutes but sure we are used to that we will turn up for the game against donegal the atmopshere should be unreal and we will give it a lash .Of course we haven't a chance because judge brolly says so.The atmosphere in the stadium afterwards with the green and red of mayo been sung by all the mayo fans was heart warming stuff. Forgot to mention the dublin fans after the match top class and genuine they really create a athmosphere and to see the hill in full flow is a sight to behold.
Well done Mayo, better and hungrier team on the day.
Enjoy the next few weeks, no better feeling than waking up and finding your county in an AI final.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 03, 2012, 07:58:07 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on September 03, 2012, 07:22:44 AM
What did Brolly say??
He is a wee tr**p, just watched the 1st half after i came home from the match and there he was spluttering and spitting about mayo and their mental attitutide. i'm sick to fcuk of this man spouting shite and getting paid a fortune of our money going on about our mental attitude, our lack of scoring forwards ect ect ect . There is nothing wrong with our attitude this is our 5th final since 1996(6th including the repay) we get knocked down but keep coming back for more . This please god will be the 6th Ai final buildup that i will enjoy as a supporter how many have derry fans (no offence lads) enjoyed in that period and some day we will know what it feels like to win one, hopefully this year if not we will just come back again.I was hoping i meet the wee ballax on the way to the match and have a coupla focail with him ;) Anyway enough about that gobshite yesterdays match was unreal thought the players were emmense . Mickey conroy was brilliant in the 1st half his off the ball running was a sight to behold, cillian o'connors compousre when kicking in to the hill and them all booing him was unreal for a young lad, kevins mc loughlin workrate and distribution into the forward line, Alan dillon emmense, the whole team were excellent .Ok i know for the last 20 minutes we let the dubs come back into it but so did Kerry last year however we held out, so one again despite our great performance yesterday all the pundits and experts will look at the negatives of the last 20 minutes but sure we are used to that we will turn up for the game against donegal the atmopshere should be unreal and we will give it a lash .Of course we haven't a chance because judge brolly says so.The atmosphere in the stadium afterwards with the green and red of mayo been sung by all the mayo fans was heart warming stuff. Forgot to mention the dublin fans after the match top class and genuine they really create a athmosphere and to see the hill in full flow is a sight to behold.
Go on ya boy ya DR. Thats the kind of fight that the lads have been showing this year!
Agree on Michael Conroy. Watched on tv in the Irish Club in Perth, so couldnt see all his off the ball running, but thought 6pts in first half could be attributed directly or indirectly to him, between 45s, frees and offloads.
Alan Dillon and Kev Mc were fantastic around the middle of the park. I thought Aidan O Shea was very good, as was Barry but they seemed to tire a wee bit in the second half (fantastic catch from Barry at a crucial time though)
A lot has been said about the period between 50 minutes to 70 when Dublin staged their comeback. I think this was an unfortunate accumulation of factors. Dublin were always going to come back. If Mayo managed to score any of the chances they had in this period it would have gone some way to quelling the comeback sooner (think Doherty's goal chance, Conroy's fist and another I cant recall but I think it was COC)
Added to that was the amount of injuries and forced changes. This really disrupted Mayo's rhythm and they struggled to hold onto the ball until Caff came back on.
Another factor was McAuley hit a purple patch in this period and really drove Dublin on. Thought he did enough to earn MOTM but these are usually given to a winning player.
And to some extent there seemed to be heavy legs as a result of the effort expended in the first 50 minutes. This, if was the case, is a concern as by all accounts the super humans from Donegal will not get tired.
Lots of positives to be taken from the game - some fantastic point scoring, a big spread of scorers (10-odd scoring from play), more strength in depth than anyone probably realised (and hopefully these can be introduced gradually as needed instead of forced due to injuries). Also, lots to work on - decision making, positions around the centre of the field, who does what for example if McL goes off etc.
I think we are in a better position now having identified these issues and being able to work on them than if we had pushed on from 10 points up and brought on all the hype that goes with that,
Apologies for the rambling post, will try and put a bit of structure around the next one!!
PS A Ballina mate of mine has promised to 'shift' David Clarke the next time he sees him
Should be a good final. Was hoping that Mayo would win so that there would be a contrast of styles in the final.
Donegal will win I think.
Most of it has been written at this stage, there is one man who spent as much time on the pitch yesterday as most of the players and deserves a mention, that was Jimmy Nallen, everytime out talking to the players, bits of instrcutions here and there, it is great to see that especially when we were under pressure around 60/65 minutes.
A great day to be a Mayoman yesterday, the Dubs were great champions and there fans gracious in defeat.
La Dar Saol.
Mayo were super in the first half.
Delighted for them, they'll make fien opponents and it should be a great day out. Croke park will be creaking from all the emotion.
See you all in 20 (?) days!
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 03, 2012, 06:49:42 AM
Quote from: stephenite on September 02, 2012, 12:39:59 PM
Mayo by 4. Hard to be objective from 12,000 miles mind you.
Whoever wins today will win the All Ireland
wrong by the minimum,but wrong no less,and you a Stephenite ;)
Sure I'm wrong most of the time!
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 02, 2012, 09:21:05 PM
Best team by far won. I think Mayo will beat donegal and it will be a great victory for football lovers if they do. Rugby league lovers might not be do happy.
No doubt it was a great victory for Mayo, but judging by the amount of cynical rugby tackles Mayo made to stop the Dub momentum, they would beat Donegal hands down in a rugby league type game. The ref (imo) should be empowered to dish out red cards for such tackles and add on time.
It's a pity that the game yesterday was blighted by this overt cynicism and the subsequent general acceptance of such tactics. The Donegal Cork semi final game was superior on all levels.
the only reason mayo mad such tackle was Dublin were blindly trying to walk the ball into the square where I'm sure a rugby tackle would not be required to bring them to ground. to expect mayo to stand aside is a very naive
QuoteNo doubt it was a great victory for Mayo, but judging by the amount of cynical rugby tackles Mayo made to stop the Dub momentum, they would beat Donegal hands down in a rugby league type game. The ref (imo) should be empowered to dish out red cards for such tackles and add on time.
It's a pity that the game yesterday was blighted by this overt cynicism and the subsequent general acceptance of such tactics. The Donegal Cork semi final game was superior on all levels.
At last a cynical Mayo team. We've waited a long time.
Quote from: highorlow on September 03, 2012, 12:31:46 PM
QuoteNo doubt it was a great victory for Mayo, but judging by the amount of cynical rugby tackles Mayo made to stop the Dub momentum, they would beat Donegal hands down in a rugby league type game. The ref (imo) should be empowered to dish out red cards for such tackles and add on time.
It's a pity that the game yesterday was blighted by this overt cynicism and the subsequent general acceptance of such tactics. The Donegal Cork semi final game was superior on all levels.
At last a cynical Mayo team. We've waited a long time.
+1, nice boys win nothing!
How Mayo finished out the game wasn't the total collapse that some people are claiming.
The easiest scores you'll ever get in a game are when the opposition are miles ahead and switched off slightly.
After 51 minutes there was 10 points in it. 8 minutes later Dublin had rattled over a few points to reduce the margin to 5. These are the easy scores, I'm talking about.
In the next 18 minutes with the game back in the fire, Dublin only managed to chip 2 more points off Mayo's lead.
From the 66th minute to the 76th minute (final whistle), both sides scored 2 points each.
Considering Mayo had to make 8 replacements during the course of the game, they were always to get ragged in shape.
Twas some game! Fair play Mayo but Donegal will beat the men from the Wesht by 4 in the final though :P
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 03, 2012, 01:01:06 PM
How Mayo finished out the game wasn't the total collapse that some people are claiming.
The easiest scores you'll ever get in a game are when the opposition are miles ahead and switched off slightly.
After 51 minutes there was 10 points in it. 8 minutes later Dublin had rattled over a few points to reduce the margin to 5. These are the easy scores, I'm talking about.
In the next 18 minutes with the game back in the fire, Dublin only managed to chip 2 more points off Mayo's lead.
From the 66th minute to the 76th minute (final whistle), both sides scored 2 points each.
Considering Mayo had to make 8 replacements during the course of the game, they were always to get ragged in shape.
+1
That's absolutely spot on and I'm not saying this just because I'm from Mayo.
Dublin were worthy champions and were always going to fight back. Throughout this season, they failed to find the form they showed in their AI win but you just knew they wouldn't bow out without a fight.
To their great credit, they did stage a magnificent rally and managed to get the easy scores you talk about but Mayo did recover their composure and finished the game strongly. Many in hindsight are now saying that Mayo simply ran out of steam but their rally at the end belies this. I can't recall ever seeing a game before when a side had to make 8 changes and this more than anything else caused Mayo to lose their rhythm.
I thought the ref had an iffy game, riddled with errors and inconsistencies but both sides had good reasons to complain about his decisions. I think his officials must take a great part of the blame for some of his mistakes but, all in all, he managed to do nothing that changed the course of the game.
I'm sure he does his best but I still wouldn't like to see him in charge of any more of our matches in time to come.
QuoteI think his officials must take a great part of the blame for some of his mistakes but, all in all, he managed to do nothing that changed the course of the game.
If Brogan got a goal that time that 50 that shinned off McManamon and should have been wide would have been a talking point.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 03, 2012, 01:01:06 PM
How Mayo finished out the game wasn't the total collapse that some people are claiming.
The easiest scores you'll ever get in a game are when the opposition are miles ahead and switched off slightly.
After 51 minutes there was 10 points in it. 8 minutes later Dublin had rattled over a few points to reduce the margin to 5. These are the easy scores, I'm talking about.
In the next 18 minutes with the game back in the fire, Dublin only managed to chip 2 more points off Mayo's lead.
From the 66th minute to the 76th minute (final whistle), both sides scored 2 points each.
Considering Mayo had to make 8 replacements during the course of the game, they were always to get ragged in shape.
Dublin had 2 wides at crucial points then the missed goal plus Mayo got up the pitch to score when Dublin needed to do it.
The thing about the fuball at the moment is that there is no team that is dominant. Cork and Dublin won the last 2 all Irelands by the minimum . Tyrone and Kerry are in decline.
Mayo are as as good as anyone.
I missed about the first 15 minuts of the game but of what I did see I thought Mayo were very impressive. I thought the movement in the forward line was excellent, their score takingtop drawer, the midfield solid and expressive while the defence were excellent, particulalry the FB line, in reading the passes inside to the FF line. They have the playing style to beat Donegal if, and its a big if, they can match their work rate. The one thing that impressed me was how they were able to commit "good" fouls at key times, the only criticism of it though was that they committed them too close to the goals and will need to improve on that.
As for the Dublin comeback I think you can attribute that to a few things. Mayo did physically tire and that is to be expected. Dublin started winning the hard ball, particulalry when McMenamin went on and in O'Gara they actually had a target in the FF line which was working. Secondly, Dublin are the masters of the blitzkrieg attack. Once they get their tails up, particulalry playing into the Hill, they regularly run off 5-6 points in a very short period of time, normally punctuated with a goal or 2. The goals didn't come, thanks mostly to Clarke with a couple of excellent saves and Mayo really should thank him profusely for that. The difference though that I see in Mayo now and Mayo for the last 20 odd years is that this team look very mentally strong and unlike previous Mayo teams the forward line is not based around a Messianic figure like McDonald but on a unit of players who know their jobs and can complete their tasks very effectively, which consequently breeds immense insular and collective confidence. I really woul like to see them winning it this year as they play the best football of all the teams in it and it would lift a massive weight off the shoulders of an entire county.
Just found this on youtube lads :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0p18CZAX_4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0p18CZAX_4)
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Quote from: highorlow on September 03, 2012, 02:07:45 PM
QuoteI think his officials must take a great part of the blame for some of his mistakes but, all in all, he managed to do nothing that changed the course of the game.
If Brogan got a goal that time that 50 that shinned off McManamon and should have been wide would have been a talking point.
I thought Clucko pointed that 50. (Point no. 13 I think.) The umpire got his call wrong for that one as it was really a wide, plain as daylight. It's hard to see why the Dub who burst Varley's nose didn't even get a card for his troubles. LIke the 50 incident, the umpires at that end were asleep on the job. But Mayo got away with a few incidents also, none of them as serious as a few he failed to penalise Dublin for. I don't think he was biased really, just incompetent pure and simple.
It was more down to good luck than to good referring that Joe Mac isn't hogging the headlines today.
I sure hope he doesn't get the final.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 03, 2012, 02:42:16 PM
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Is that Micheal Ring two rows ahead of Bertie, to the left of the photo obscured by another head. I could imagine the roaring comming out of Ring, lol.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 03, 2012, 02:42:16 PM
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Jaysus Paythur and Bertie!! ;D
QuoteIs that Micheal Ring two rows ahead of Bertie, to the left of the photo obscured by another head. I could imagine the roaring comming out of Ring, lol.
Quinn must have a few quid on the Dubs by the looks him!
Mayo have the Best fans.
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Quote from: highorlow on September 03, 2012, 03:02:29 PM
QuoteIs that Micheal Ring two rows ahead of Bertie, to the left of the photo obscured by another head. I could imagine the roaring comming out of Ring, lol.
Quinn must have a few quid on the Dubs by the looks him!
More Quinn money gone down the swanney!
It has to be said Mayo's defending at the end was unreal. This pic shows at least 21 players in or about the Mayo square.
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 03, 2012, 04:27:07 PM
It has to be said Mayo's defending at the end was unreal. This pic shows at least 21 players in or about the Mayo square.
(http://cdn.independent.ie/multimedia/dynamic/01098/mayoooo_1098232t.jpg)
That was the last kick of the game when cluxton dropped the ball into the square.
Quote from: heffo on September 03, 2012, 08:39:08 AM
Well done Mayo, better and hungrier team on the day.
Enjoy the next few weeks, no better feeling than waking up and finding your county in an AI final.
Waking up and finding your county as All Ireland champions is a better feeling.
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 03, 2012, 02:36:49 PM
I missed about the first 15 minuts of the game but of what I did see I thought Mayo were very impressive. I thought the movement in the forward line was excellent, their score takingtop drawer, the midfield solid and expressive while the defence were excellent, particulalry the FB line, in reading the passes inside to the FF line. They have the playing style to beat Donegal if, and its a big if, they can match their work rate. The one thing that impressed me was how they were able to commit "good" fouls at key times, the only criticism of it though was that they committed them too close to the goals and will need to improve on that.
As for the Dublin comeback I think you can attribute that to a few things. Mayo did physically tire and that is to be expected. Dublin started winning the hard ball, particulalry when McMenamin went on and in O'Gara they actually had a target in the FF line which was working. Secondly, Dublin are the masters of the blitzkrieg attack. Once they get their tails up, particulalry playing into the Hill, they regularly run off 5-6 points in a very short period of time, normally punctuated with a goal or 2. The goals didn't come, thanks mostly to Clarke with a couple of excellent saves and Mayo really should thank him profusely for that. The difference though that I see in Mayo now and Mayo for the last 20 odd years is that this team look very mentally strong and unlike previous Mayo teams the forward line is not based around a Messianic figure like McDonald but on a unit of players who know their jobs and can complete their tasks very effectively, which consequently breeds immense insular and collective confidence. I really woul like to see them winning it this year as they play the best football of all the teams in it and it would lift a massive weight off the shoulders of an entire county.
In the past Dublin would just have had to double mark McDonald and that would have put Mayo under pressure. It wouldn't have mattered who they double marked yesterday.
Previous Mayo teams (like alot of other counties let it be said) would have caved in when Dublin staged their comeback. My daughter felt she needed to calm me down because I was going mental when two points were missed in quick succession by Mayo. They still kept going despite that and got the important point to give them a breathing space.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2012, 05:29:04 PM
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That Alan lad should get some rest, he looks Shattered :D
Also note where Ring is in this photo compared to the ones on previous page, poor Bertie has gone home already ;D
I hope they all paid for their own tickets!
and that the taxpayer nor the GAA are covering their social outings.
Quote from: neilthemac on September 03, 2012, 05:59:44 PM
I hope they all paid for their own tickets!
and that the taxpayer nor the GAA are covering their social outings.
What would make you think they didn't pay for their tickets?
Fair play to Horan and all of his backroom team. I would have been one of his greatest critics to date, but am delighted to say that I was wrong. Cian O'Neill must be doing something right as well. Worth the bucks it seems, as this is his 4th All Ireland appearance in a row after the last 3 with Tipp.
Clarke and Cafferty were outstanding once again.....like with Mcloughlin, the pundits all seem to overlook just how good they are on a regular basis. They quietly do their job with the minimum of fuss. All the team deserve massive credit for the hard work that they have obviously put in.
It's probably all been said at this stage, but it's mighty to be back in another AIF. f**k the detractors.
I honestly thought we were going to blow it after the Dubs got to within 2 points coming to the final hurdle. Clarke had two crucial saves to make and he is a great keeper. Fair play to him. Jesus, the fullbacks were under severe pressure but they did magnificently. Higgins was class, as was Cafferkey and Kevin Keane. Fair play to them. I must say I was nervous when I heard Chris Barrett's name called out, but he did well I thought. It was a blow to have Colm Boyle out with the flu, but he came on and did a good job too. I hate to take anything away from a fine overall display, but I thought Vaughan was poor. I also think it would be suffice to say he hasn't regained his form from earlier on in the year and that could be the difference the next day out. He at number 6 was the only man that worried me yesterday. A crucial position to be worried about!
AOS was brilliant, he was harrying and hassling the Dublin forwards any time he could, and got up the field ant popped good passes to our forwards as well. Barry Moran hadn't his easy clean catching game but we were all ready for that. I thought that we didn't win enough breaking ball around the middle (due to Vaughan's showing), but I suppose we made up for it by having the fullback line in place at every opportunity.
Also, if anyone said Mayo would score 0-19 without Andy Moran, this time last week, you'd be laughed at. (I'd be thinking the same myself too ya know!) But fair fucks to the lot of them, each one of them scored. And Michael Conroy was very effective in his winning of the ball. Granted he gave the wrong pass a few times, but I thought he did well to show for the ball anyway. The half forwards were brilliant. Dillon and McLoughlin especially. I thought COC ended up out at CHF for most of the game too and contributed effectively as well. I thought McLoughlin going off coincided with Dublin getting a run at us. Then again, maybe that's my own Knockmore tinted glasses - I dunno. And well done to all of the subs who came on and did their bit for the cause. It was great as Deel Rover said to hear the Green and Red of Mayo sang aloud by every Mayoman.
Dublin must surely be kicking themselves about Kevin McMenamon not being brought on. For me, I'd start him straight away. MDM also had a blinder and that could be one of the reason why Vaughan was so poor. (I tend to look at things from a Mayo perspective anyway) Fair play to the Hill, say what you like about them, most stayed on listening to grownup Mayomen singing afterwards.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2012, 07:40:48 PM
It's probably all been said at this stage, but it's mighty to be back in another AIF. f**k the detractors.
I honestly thought we were going to blow it after the Dubs got to within 2 points coming to the final hurdle. Clarke had two crucial saves to make and he is a great keeper. Fair play to him. Jesus, the fullbacks were under severe pressure but they did magnificently. Higgins was class, as was Cafferkey and Kevin Keane. Fair play to them. I must say I was nervous when I heard Chris Barrett's name called out, but he did well I thought. It was a blow to have Colm Boyle out with the flu, but he came on and did a good job too. I hate to take anything away from a fine overall display, but I thought Vaughan was poor. I also think it would be suffice to say he hasn't regained his form from earlier on in the year and that could be the difference the next day out. He at number 6 was the only man that worried me yesterday. A crucial position to be worried about!
AOS was brilliant, he was harrying and hassling the Dublin forwards any time he could, and got up the field ant popped good passes to our forwards as well. Barry Moran hadn't his easy clean catching game but we were all ready for that. I thought that we didn't win enough breaking ball around the middle (due to Vaughan's showing), but I suppose we made up for it by having the fullback line in place at every opportunity.
Also, if anyone said Mayo would score 0-19 without Andy Moran, this time last week, you'd be laughed at. (I'd be thinking the same myself too ya know!) But fair f**ks to the lot of them, each one of them scored. And Michael Conroy was very effective in his winning of the ball. Granted he gave the wrong pass a few times, but I thought he did well to show for the ball anyway. The half forwards were brilliant. Dillon and McLoughlin especially. I thought COC ended up out at CHF for most of the game too and contributed effectively as well. I thought McLoughlin going off coincided with Dublin getting a run at us. Then again, maybe that's my own Knockmore tinted glasses - I dunno. And well done to all of the subs who came on and did their bit for the cause. It was great as Deel Rover said to hear the Green and Red of Mayo sang aloud by every Mayoman.
Dublin must surely be kicking themselves about Kevin McMenamon not being brought on. For me, I'd start him straight away. MDM also had a blinder and that could be one of the reason why Vaughan was so poor. (I tend to look at things from a Mayo perspective anyway) Fair play to the Hill, say what you like about them, most stayed on listening to grownup Mayomen singing afterwards.
I agree that McLoughlin going off was a factor as was fatigue, Aiden O Shea ran himself into the ground and was shagged for last 15 mins.Cannot remember Clarke's other save, was that from Connolly, thought it would have gone wide, think they got a point off the 50 if that is the one.
Vaughan scared me, I was roaring for him just to please pass it to a Mayoman, I would say his amount of turnovers on passing will not be pretty reading.
It is fantastic to get back to an All-Ireland. I am delighted for James Horan his backroom team and the entire panel. I am so proud of them. Another trip home from NY to an all Ireland final with Mayo in it. No 7 including replay in 1996.
Thought Vaughan struggled a bit alright, gave McAuley a lot of room and turned over a fair bit of ball with some poor passing or in the tackle. I reckon if Keegan hadn't got injured Donie may have been subbed. Great team performance tho, Dillon deserved motm, but Mcloughlin, O'Shea, Caff, Higgins and Clarke could have had equal claims. The Dubs comeback wasn't good for the blood pressure, but while it was a bit of a worry that they got back that close, winning like that may be better for us in the long run than coming away with a 10+ point victory.
Congratulations Mayo; better team won.
For all of those Mayo posters moaning about McQuillan's "ties" to the Dubs:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/refs-face-undue-pressures-206269.html
I was another one who thought Vaughan struggled big time and he never looked comfortable in any thing he done. MDM got away from him numerous times in the first half and a more natural forward would have punished us even more. I think Vaughan will be under serious pressure to retain his place for the final as in my opinion he is totally unsuited to playing against a team like Donegal and with the displays of Feeney and Barret we are not found wanting for quality half backs.All in all a great display and it was something of a shock to be 10 points up with 20 min to go but once C O Connor nailed that 40 yard free I felt we were home.Looking forward to the final and there is nothing better in life than to be in Croke Park on all ireland final day when your team runs out on to the field.
Quote from: joemamas on September 03, 2012, 07:49:20 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2012, 07:40:48 PM
It's probably all been said at this stage, but it's mighty to be back in another AIF. f**k the detractors.
I honestly thought we were going to blow it after the Dubs got to within 2 points coming to the final hurdle. Clarke had two crucial saves to make and he is a great keeper. Fair play to him. Jesus, the fullbacks were under severe pressure but they did magnificently. Higgins was class, as was Cafferkey and Kevin Keane. Fair play to them. I must say I was nervous when I heard Chris Barrett's name called out, but he did well I thought. It was a blow to have Colm Boyle out with the flu, but he came on and did a good job too. I hate to take anything away from a fine overall display, but I thought Vaughan was poor. I also think it would be suffice to say he hasn't regained his form from earlier on in the year and that could be the difference the next day out. He at number 6 was the only man that worried me yesterday. A crucial position to be worried about!
AOS was brilliant, he was harrying and hassling the Dublin forwards any time he could, and got up the field ant popped good passes to our forwards as well. Barry Moran hadn't his easy clean catching game but we were all ready for that. I thought that we didn't win enough breaking ball around the middle (due to Vaughan's showing), but I suppose we made up for it by having the fullback line in place at every opportunity.
Also, if anyone said Mayo would score 0-19 without Andy Moran, this time last week, you'd be laughed at. (I'd be thinking the same myself too ya know!) But fair f**ks to the lot of them, each one of them scored. And Michael Conroy was very effective in his winning of the ball. Granted he gave the wrong pass a few times, but I thought he did well to show for the ball anyway. The half forwards were brilliant. Dillon and McLoughlin especially. I thought COC ended up out at CHF for most of the game too and contributed effectively as well. I thought McLoughlin going off coincided with Dublin getting a run at us. Then again, maybe that's my own Knockmore tinted glasses - I dunno. And well done to all of the subs who came on and did their bit for the cause. It was great as Deel Rover said to hear the Green and Red of Mayo sang aloud by every Mayoman.
Dublin must surely be kicking themselves about Kevin McMenamon not being brought on. For me, I'd start him straight away. MDM also had a blinder and that could be one of the reason why Vaughan was so poor. (I tend to look at things from a Mayo perspective anyway) Fair play to the Hill, say what you like about them, most stayed on listening to grownup Mayomen singing afterwards.
I agree that McLoughlin going off was a factor as was fatigue, Aiden O Shea ran himself into the ground and was shagged for last 15 mins.Cannot remember Clarke's other save, was that from Connolly, thought it would have gone wide, think they got a point off the 50 if that is the one.
Vaughan scared me, I was roaring for him just to please pass it to a Mayoman, I would say his amount of turnovers on passing will not be pretty reading.
It is fantastic to get back to an All-Ireland. I am delighted for James Horan his backroom team and the entire panel. I am so proud of them. Another trip home from NY to an all Ireland final with Mayo in it. No 7 including replay in 1996.
i hope number 7 is the sam experience and that you get to see him arrive in ballyhaunis before heading back to the states.
In fairness to Vaughan he was sacrificed for the greater good yesterday.
Under normal circumstances someone, prob Kevin McL, would have dropped back and covered but because of the plans to cut out Cluxtons kickouts. It meant tht when MDM won clean possession he turned and had 20 yards of open space. Any balls that were broken when won by Dublin and moved quickly. So I wouldn't blame Vaughan completely. IMHO he should have been told to stay on the ground and wait for him to come down before wrapping him up
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2012, 07:40:48 PM
It's probably all been said at this stage, but it's mighty to be back in another AIF. f**k the detractors.
I honestly thought we were going to blow it after the Dubs got to within 2 points coming to the final hurdle. Clarke had two crucial saves to make and he is a great keeper. Fair play to him. Jesus, the fullbacks were under severe pressure but they did magnificently. Higgins was class, as was Cafferkey and Kevin Keane. Fair play to them. I must say I was nervous when I heard Chris Barrett's name called out, but he did well I thought. It was a blow to have Colm Boyle out with the flu, but he came on and did a good job too. I hate to take anything away from a fine overall display, but I thought Vaughan was poor. I also think it would be suffice to say he hasn't regained his form from earlier on in the year and that could be the difference the next day out. He at number 6 was the only man that worried me yesterday. A crucial position to be worried about!
AOS was brilliant, he was harrying and hassling the Dublin forwards any time he could, and got up the field ant popped good passes to our forwards as well. Barry Moran hadn't his easy clean catching game but we were all ready for that. I thought that we didn't win enough breaking ball around the middle (due to Vaughan's showing), but I suppose we made up for it by having the fullback line in place at every opportunity.
Also, if anyone said Mayo would score 0-19 without Andy Moran, this time last week, you'd be laughed at. (I'd be thinking the same myself too ya know!) But fair f**ks to the lot of them, each one of them scored. And Michael Conroy was very effective in his winning of the ball. Granted he gave the wrong pass a few times, but I thought he did well to show for the ball anyway. The half forwards were brilliant. Dillon and McLoughlin especially. I thought COC ended up out at CHF for most of the game too and contributed effectively as well. I thought McLoughlin going off coincided with Dublin getting a run at us. Then again, maybe that's my own Knockmore tinted glasses - I dunno. And well done to all of the subs who came on and did their bit for the cause. It was great as Deel Rover said to hear the Green and Red of Mayo sang aloud by every Mayoman.
Dublin must surely be kicking themselves about Kevin McMenamon not being brought on. For me, I'd start him straight away. MDM also had a blinder and that could be one of the reason why Vaughan was so poor. (I tend to look at things from a Mayo perspective anyway) Fair play to the Hill, say what you like about them, most stayed on listening to grownup Mayomen singing afterwards.
Agree 100% with all of the above. Still too distracted by it all to be arsed commenting much - it was all there for us all to see.
What I will say is I m still getting my head around how we managed to carve out a win after losing Boyle and Keegan and McLoughlin for 15mims at a crucial stage. Heroic stuff. I dont give a shite if the wheels nearly came off - because there was a good reason for it rather than bad reasons like in the past. We have a management and team we can be proud of. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2012, 10:23:42 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2012, 07:40:48 PM
It's probably all been said at this stage, but it's mighty to be back in another AIF. f**k the detractors.
I honestly thought we were going to blow it after the Dubs got to within 2 points coming to the final hurdle. Clarke had two crucial saves to make and he is a great keeper. Fair play to him. Jesus, the fullbacks were under severe pressure but they did magnificently. Higgins was class, as was Cafferkey and Kevin Keane. Fair play to them. I must say I was nervous when I heard Chris Barrett's name called out, but he did well I thought. It was a blow to have Colm Boyle out with the flu, but he came on and did a good job too. I hate to take anything away from a fine overall display, but I thought Vaughan was poor. I also think it would be suffice to say he hasn't regained his form from earlier on in the year and that could be the difference the next day out. He at number 6 was the only man that worried me yesterday. A crucial position to be worried about!
AOS was brilliant, he was harrying and hassling the Dublin forwards any time he could, and got up the field ant popped good passes to our forwards as well. Barry Moran hadn't his easy clean catching game but we were all ready for that. I thought that we didn't win enough breaking ball around the middle (due to Vaughan's showing), but I suppose we made up for it by having the fullback line in place at every opportunity.
Also, if anyone said Mayo would score 0-19 without Andy Moran, this time last week, you'd be laughed at. (I'd be thinking the same myself too ya know!) But fair f**ks to the lot of them, each one of them scored. And Michael Conroy was very effective in his winning of the ball. Granted he gave the wrong pass a few times, but I thought he did well to show for the ball anyway. The half forwards were brilliant. Dillon and McLoughlin especially. I thought COC ended up out at CHF for most of the game too and contributed effectively as well. I thought McLoughlin going off coincided with Dublin getting a run at us. Then again, maybe that's my own Knockmore tinted glasses - I dunno. And well done to all of the subs who came on and did their bit for the cause. It was great as Deel Rover said to hear the Green and Red of Mayo sang aloud by every Mayoman.
Dublin must surely be kicking themselves about Kevin McMenamon not being brought on. For me, I'd start him straight away. MDM also had a blinder and that could be one of the reason why Vaughan was so poor. (I tend to look at things from a Mayo perspective anyway) Fair play to the Hill, say what you like about them, most stayed on listening to grownup Mayomen singing afterwards.
Agree 100% with all of the above. Still too distracted by it all to be arsed commenting much - it was all there for us all to see.
What I will say is I m still getting my head around how we managed to carve out a win after losing Boyle and Keegan and McLoughlin for 15mims at a crucial stage. Heroic stuff. I dont give a shite if the wheels nearly came off - because there was a good reason for it rather than bad reasons like in the past. We have a management and team we can be proud of. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.
This is the critical thing. Mayo were provided with an excuse to lose, and they didn't take it. They held out to win. We haven't seen that often over the years. Horan has fellas playing above themselves. They'll keep it kicked out to Donegal, please God.
Just watched the full version on RTE player now, flew over for the game so didn't see it on telly, but holy f**k Brolly would sicken your hole. Would the lad ever shut up and let another man talk. Spillane looks like a genius in his company. I have actually had a drink with Brolly many years ago up in Derry, he is a great man to have a drink with (well I was drinking cannot remember if he was drinking, he did a whole feckn lot of talking), and thats where his football analysis should stay, down the feckn pub.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 03, 2012, 11:10:08 PM
Just watched the full version on RTE player now, flew over for the game so didn't see it on telly, but holy f**k Brolly would sicken your hole. Would the lad ever shut up and let another man talk. Spillane looks like a genius in his company. I have actually had a drink with Brolly many years ago up in Derry, he is a great man to have a drink with (well I was drinking cannot remember if he was drinking, he did a whole feckn lot of talking), and thats where his football analysis should stay, down the feckn pub.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I d say he d be great crack for a few pints alright. Gobby f**ker - like meself.
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2012, 11:15:46 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 03, 2012, 11:10:08 PM
Just watched the full version on RTE player now, flew over for the game so didn't see it on telly, but holy f**k Brolly would sicken your hole. Would the lad ever shut up and let another man talk. Spillane looks like a genius in his company. I have actually had a drink with Brolly many years ago up in Derry, he is a great man to have a drink with (well I was drinking cannot remember if he was drinking, he did a whole feckn lot of talking), and thats where his football analysis should stay, down the feckn pub.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I d say he d be great crack for a few pints alright. Gobby f**ker - like meself.
f**k I hope I haven't given my identity away there Moysider :-X a few other Mayo people there that day too.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 03, 2012, 11:18:18 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2012, 11:15:46 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 03, 2012, 11:10:08 PM
Just watched the full version on RTE player now, flew over for the game so didn't see it on telly, but holy f**k Brolly would sicken your hole. Would the lad ever shut up and let another man talk. Spillane looks like a genius in his company. I have actually had a drink with Brolly many years ago up in Derry, he is a great man to have a drink with (well I was drinking cannot remember if he was drinking, he did a whole feckn lot of talking), and thats where his football analysis should stay, down the feckn pub.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I d say he d be great crack for a few pints alright. Gobby f**ker - like meself.
f**k I hope I haven't given my identity away there Moysider :-X a few other Mayo people there that day too.
No worries, I wasn t one of them anyway.
Sure we ll all have to meet up and do a bit of pinting on the Saturday?
Sure, they re great times. Only 96/97 can even begin to compare to the Horan era.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 03, 2012, 11:04:04 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2012, 10:23:42 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2012, 07:40:48 PM
It's probably all been said at this stage, but it's mighty to be back in another AIF. f**k the detractors.
I honestly thought we were going to blow it after the Dubs got to within 2 points coming to the final hurdle. Clarke had two crucial saves to make and he is a great keeper. Fair play to him. Jesus, the fullbacks were under severe pressure but they did magnificently. Higgins was class, as was Cafferkey and Kevin Keane. Fair play to them. I must say I was nervous when I heard Chris Barrett's name called out, but he did well I thought. It was a blow to have Colm Boyle out with the flu, but he came on and did a good job too. I hate to take anything away from a fine overall display, but I thought Vaughan was poor. I also think it would be suffice to say he hasn't regained his form from earlier on in the year and that could be the difference the next day out. He at number 6 was the only man that worried me yesterday. A crucial position to be worried about!
AOS was brilliant, he was harrying and hassling the Dublin forwards any time he could, and got up the field ant popped good passes to our forwards as well. Barry Moran hadn't his easy clean catching game but we were all ready for that. I thought that we didn't win enough breaking ball around the middle (due to Vaughan's showing), but I suppose we made up for it by having the fullback line in place at every opportunity.
Also, if anyone said Mayo would score 0-19 without Andy Moran, this time last week, you'd be laughed at. (I'd be thinking the same myself too ya know!) But fair f**ks to the lot of them, each one of them scored. And Michael Conroy was very effective in his winning of the ball. Granted he gave the wrong pass a few times, but I thought he did well to show for the ball anyway. The half forwards were brilliant. Dillon and McLoughlin especially. I thought COC ended up out at CHF for most of the game too and contributed effectively as well. I thought McLoughlin going off coincided with Dublin getting a run at us. Then again, maybe that's my own Knockmore tinted glasses - I dunno. And well done to all of the subs who came on and did their bit for the cause. It was great as Deel Rover said to hear the Green and Red of Mayo sang aloud by every Mayoman.
Dublin must surely be kicking themselves about Kevin McMenamon not being brought on. For me, I'd start him straight away. MDM also had a blinder and that could be one of the reason why Vaughan was so poor. (I tend to look at things from a Mayo perspective anyway) Fair play to the Hill, say what you like about them, most stayed on listening to grownup Mayomen singing afterwards.
Agree 100% with all of the above. Still too distracted by it all to be arsed commenting much - it was all there for us all to see.
What I will say is I m still getting my head around how we managed to carve out a win after losing Boyle and Keegan and McLoughlin for 15mims at a crucial stage. Heroic stuff. I dont give a shite if the wheels nearly came off - because there was a good reason for it rather than bad reasons like in the past. We have a management and team we can be proud of. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.
This is the critical thing. Mayo were provided with an excuse to lose, and they didn't take it. They held out to win. We haven't seen that often over the years. Horan has fellas playing above themselves. They'll keep it kicked out to Donegal, please God.
f**k, that s so true!
The Dillon interview afterwards was different also. Not so much his words but he seemed in a different zone. These lads are not paying any attention to the script.
There is something very different about this Mayo team. They tired physically but, crucially, not mentally. And they had to cope with huge losses. The Dubs give out about missing Alan Brogan - we had no Andy Moran and when McLoughlin was gone off, Mayo were outscored by seven points.
Like Iolar says, every chance to lose was presented to this team. They refused to die. Will they win the All-Ireland? Still hard to know but if they don't, they'll go damn close and won't be one bit afraid of their opponents or the occasion.
It's a great day to be from Mayo.
Isee in todays Examiner that the Dublin county board are meeting to discuss an objection to Mayos use of subs last sunday.I think the crux of there argument is that when Kevin MCLoughlin came back on that he did not replace Colm Boyle who had replaced him previously and therefore Colm Boyle became a full sub which would make six subs used by Mayo.I am sure nothing will come of it but the rule needs to be tightened up and if I remember correctly Dublin took advantage of the same rule in the 2006 semi when they took there time bringing back 2 players who went off with blood injuries.
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Mayo by 4. Hard to be objective from 12,000 miles mind you.
Whoever wins today will win the All Ireland
wrong by the minimum,but wrong no less,and you a Stephenite ;)
Sure I'm wrong most of the time!
Your right! ;D
Or your definitely a mayomans right kinda wrong! ;DI better stop im, bamboozlin meself :D
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QuoteI think his officials must take a great part of the blame for some of his mistakes but, all in all, he managed to do nothing that changed the course of the game.
If Brogan got a goal that time that 50 that shinned off McManamon and should have been wide would have been a talking point.
I thought Clucko pointed that 50. (Point no. 13 I think.) The umpire got his call wrong for that one as it was really a wide, plain as daylight. It's hard to see why the Dub who burst Varley's nose didn't even get a card for his troubles. LIke the 50 incident, the umpires at that end were asleep on the job. But Mayo got away with a few incidents also, none of them as serious as a few he failed to penalise Dublin for. I don't think he was biased really, just incompetent pure and simple.
It was more down to good luck than to good referring that Joe Mac isn't hogging the headlines today.
I sure hope he doesn't get the final.
you answered your own puzzle there Lar,the mans an atrocity,wish he,d feck off back to route and stop ruinin the good rep of breffni men.IF he gets the final
I,l strangle him with his own whistle
He won't get the final. Donegal made sure of that.
Haven't read any postmatch postings so firstly well done to Mayo. Am convinced they will win the final and handily enough at that.
All Dublin's old failings were back again on Sunday, poor team selection, poor substitutions, too slow to make the changes, failure to take our goal chances. Management while rightly lauded last year have to take alot of the blame here and quiet simply imo should have bit the bullet and dropped one of the 3 midfielders who started.Drift defence discarded as well.
No ifs and buts but Brogan should have nailed that goal chance............no way Cooper, O'Connor, Coulter etc would have missed. Hit at a height that keepers love.
Anyway a good fightback from the lads to avoid a humiliation that was on the cards with 20 mins to go.
Once again well done to Mayo .
First of all I'd like to say hard luck to the Dubs. I thought they were great champions and threw everything they could in to the fight back.To score 8 points without reply from 10 points down in the second half of and All Ireland semi takes some effort. McCauley and Flynn were huge all through the game for you and in fairness to Bernard Brogan he kept showing for and getting on the ball even if it wasn't fully happening for him on the day. Martin Kilkenny looks a serious player in the making provided he isn't lost to Aussie rules! Also as had been said before fair play to the Dub fans for being a big part of a cracking atmosphere and being so gracious in defeat.
As for our own lads my main worry was our forwards getting enough scores! Well shows what I know about football. I don't think I have ever seen a better exhibition of long range point taking and team scores from us ever and when Cillian was stroking over those 45's the confidence in me just grew and grew in the first half. Aiden O ' Shea's composure on the ball and then the range of passes he showed was also a delight for every Mayoman. They wasn't too many negatives for me just that we seemed to suffer from the injuries and tire in the second half and also Cillian and Conroy failed to take those goal chances under pressure which would have killed Dublin at that stage. It was nice to see Seami O' Shea get that ball and rifle it over without any hesitation to seal the match though.
Overall while we can look forward to improving on our display we still scored 19 points , dethroned the All Ireland champions and got into the showpiece match on the one day! Let the painting of wrapped bales , sheep , cars , writing of dodgy songs and general apery begin 8)
Mhaigheo Abu.
Mayo buckos I never saw so many straw hats, wooly head bands wrapped around heads, brightly coloured jumpers tucked into slacks, red faced men, and buckos whooping their arms into fever like they were prodding cattle up the road ;D........................great stuff altogether
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Mayo buckos I never saw so many straw hats, wooly head bands wrapped around heads, brightly coloured jumpers tucked into slacks, red faced men, and buckos whooping their arms into fever like they were prodding cattle up the road ;D........................great stuff altogether
I would just note that I passed by 3 junkies on the way to the Cusack Stand a few Sundays ago. Dub stereotypes are alive alive oh...
Quote from: maigheo on September 04, 2012, 02:22:02 AM
Isee in todays Examiner that the Dublin county board are meeting to discuss an objection to Mayos use of subs last sunday.I think the crux of there argument is that when Kevin MCLoughlin came back on that he did not replace Colm Boyle who had replaced him previously and therefore Colm Boyle became a full sub which would make six subs used by Mayo.I am sure nothing will come of it but the rule needs to be tightened up and if I remember correctly Dublin took advantage of the same rule in the 2006 semi when they took there time bringing back 2 players who went off with blood injuries.
*In Mc Stay voice* Ah no, god no .......................... ;)
No chance thats paper talk again trying to make us Dubs look bad .................similar to A vs B games etc ................................its in the books, get on with it, next year wont be long rolling around
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Mayo buckos I never saw so many straw hats, wooly head bands wrapped around heads, brightly coloured jumpers tucked into slacks, red faced men, and buckos whooping their arms into fever like they were prodding cattle up the road ;D........................great stuff altogether
I would just note that I passed by 3 junkies on the way to the Cusack Stand a few Sundays ago. Dub stereotypes are alive alive oh...
Dont be so bloody sensitive....................... tis the truth is it not, Im surprised you didnt see more than 3 junkies btw ..............its a an epidemic in this dear city
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 03, 2012, 11:10:08 PM
Just watched the full version on RTE player now, flew over for the game so didn't see it on telly, but holy f**k Brolly would sicken your hole. Would the lad ever shut up and let another man talk. Spillane looks like a genius in his company. I have actually had a drink with Brolly many years ago up in Derry, he is a great man to have a drink with (well I was drinking cannot remember if he was drinking, he did a whole feckn lot of talking), and thats where his football analysis should stay, down the feckn pub.
Had to laugh at Brolly,before the match he says " I've never seen Dillon deliver on the big occasion "
Two hours later Dillon is the Man of the Match !!
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 03, 2012, 11:10:08 PM
Just watched the full version on RTE player now, flew over for the game so didn't see it on telly, but holy f**k Brolly would sicken your hole. Would the lad ever shut up and let another man talk. Spillane looks like a genius in his company. I have actually had a drink with Brolly many years ago up in Derry, he is a great man to have a drink with (well I was drinking cannot remember if he was drinking, he did a whole feckn lot of talking), and thats where his football analysis should stay, down the feckn pub.
Had to laugh at Brolly,before the match he says " I've never seen Dillon deliver on the big occasion "
Two hours later Dillon is the Man of the Match !!
Watched game last night again, Brolly is getting things so wrong so often it renders him a sideshow, making Spillane sound reasonable ! O'Rourke pulled Brolly at the half time analysis after he said Fennell and Bastick getting cleaned out and then that Dublin winning the midfield battle. Dillon showed him up as did the Gooch earlier in summer as an utter eloquent spoofer. Donegal the big winner he said afterwards.....
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 03, 2012, 11:10:08 PM
Just watched the full version on RTE player now, flew over for the game so didn't see it on telly, but holy f**k Brolly would sicken your hole. Would the lad ever shut up and let another man talk. Spillane looks like a genius in his company. I have actually had a drink with Brolly many years ago up in Derry, he is a great man to have a drink with (well I was drinking cannot remember if he was drinking, he did a whole feckn lot of talking), and thats where his football analysis should stay, down the feckn pub.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I d say he d be great crack for a few pints alright. Gobby f**ker - like meself.
f**k I hope I haven't given my identity away there Moysider :-X a few other Mayo people there that day too.
No worries, I wasn t one of them anyway.
Sure we ll all have to meet up and do a bit of pinting on the Saturday?
Sure, they re great times. Only 96/97 can even begin to compare to the Horan era.
The 96-97 side was the best I have seen before now but they didn't match up to Horan's Heros in a number of important aspects.
Maughan's team in the drawn game caved in under pressure in Mayo's time-honoured fashion.
By contrast, the team on Sunday never lost the plot and had regained their composure in the dying moments. Maughan's side were big men, all over six feet, and were in superb physical condition but even the manager caved in when Meath turned the screw.
As an old Kerry friend, a man with a few AI medals, said to me afterwards, "If ye had Micko on the sideline, there'd be no need for a replay."
Anything that's all history now.
In stark contrast, our two Jimmys didn't flap up and down the sideline like headless chickens or turn their backs when Mayo were awarded close-in frees. Like yourself, I've had a lot more dinner times than dinners when it comes to Mayo football and the is the first time I've seen a team that has what it takes to go the whole way.
I seldom watch The Sunday Game or its counterparts on other stations so what Brolly and his ilk has to say doesn't bother me in the slightest. If I'm interested enough, I'll have the game recorded and I'll carry out my own analysis. IMHO, this game won't be won or lost in an RTE studio; what goes on in each player's mind will be all-important.
Both managers are top class and will have taken all steps possible to prepare their respective teams for what lies ahead; both have already been there as players but neither will actually play.
So far, so good - it's going to up to the players on the day.
Mayo have a definite advantage here.
Clarkie, Keith and Alan have been there before and so have Gardiner and McGarrity. I'm not forgetting Andy either who still remains an integral part of the squad.No Donegal player has been through this particular mill before.
So I'm praying that the Brollys of this world will overload them with hype.
Same as happened to the Dubs in 2006 but this time the stakes are higher and the mental pressures far greater than all Donegal players have experienced before now.
If either side wilts, my bet is that it won't be Mayo.
It's amazing what a win does. Last week there was very little talk of the match now everyone is talking about the final and you can see that peoples spirits are lifted, no one worried about health cuts , the recession, emigration, property tax for at least 3 weeks, now all that's on peoples minds is getting the tickets for the Ai final jesus even the sun has come out.
The lads on Off the Ball last nite were taking this piss out of the RTE lads claiming it was all about hunger. They rightly said that was just lazy journalism and that the team that prepares better wins
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The lads on Off the Ball last nite were taking this piss out of the RTE lads claiming it was all about hunger. They rightly said that was just lazy journalism and that the team that prepares better wins
It's a cliche but it's true - hunger is a massive deciding factor in such games. Lack of hunger means your training is not as good, your frame of mind is not as good, your willingness to go in for that 50/50 ball where you risk getting smashed is not quite the same. The hungrier team will almost always prepare better. Good preparation is a function of hunger.
Would agree, although I like the off the ball guys, yer man Murph thinks he's becoming one of the true experts of the game lately. Hunger and a want to win are vital, its not just on the day tho, its the prep and training before that. Both teams wanted to win on Sunday, but Mayo as a unit definitely wanted it more than Dublin did, and got the performance and result that that hunger/want deserved.
First of all well done to Mayo. Super display of scoring.
I don't think hunger played any part in this at all. It was an All Ireland semi final, they hadnt done a whole heap to get there, but I'm positive the hunger was there for this game.
The big problem was we just made a ballix of it. Our decision making as to when to shoot / when to pass in the first half was just appalling. Cost us a heap of scores.
The Alan Brogan situation was just bizarre.
Great heart, fitness and appetite shown by the lads in the last 20 minutes. Couldnt ask any more in terms of effort. But just couldnt get it done.
I thought Mayo were done when they were dropping like flies. I'd no clue you could use limitless subs in the case of injuries, certainly helped them that were able to keep replacing lads who were done. And late on, a couple of big balls won in midfield and good scores got them over the winning line. Well done!
QuoteI'd no clue you could use limitless subs in the case of injuries,
It's limited alright but blood subs are a different item.
I saw McLoughlin's one and it looked like his head accidently clashed with McCarthy's boot. Varley was acting like he was pushing his man out of the way and his nose clashed with the backs elbow. I can't remember our 3rd blood sub? Then we had the standard 5 changes.
Gilroy has a lot to answer for alright....did yer man Mickey Whealan retiring have anything to do with some of the bad calls....what was his role in the backroom team last year?
Quote from: highorlow on September 04, 2012, 06:24:38 PM
QuoteI'd no clue you could use limitless subs in the case of injuries,
It's limited alright but blood subs are a different item.
I saw McLoughlin's one and it looked like his head accidently clashed with McCarthy's boot. Varley was acting like he was pushing his man out of the way and his nose clashed with the backs elbow. I can't remember our 3rd blood sub? Then we had the standard 5 changes.
Gilroy has a lot to answer for alright....did yer man Mickey Whealan retiring have anything to do with some of the bad calls....what was his role in the backroom team last year?
Think it was for Keegan. Obviously hoped they could re locate the finger on the side of the pitch. There was nice wound to go with it to which is fairly unusual for dislocations.
I dunno no freeking Pat Gilroy
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The Western People delivering the probable headline of the year, maybe the even the decade:
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Quote from: ballinaman on September 04, 2012, 06:52:53 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 04, 2012, 06:24:38 PM
QuoteI'd no clue you could use limitless subs in the case of injuries,
It's limited alright but blood subs are a different item.
I saw McLoughlin's one and it looked like his head accidently clashed with McCarthy's boot. Varley was acting like he was pushing his man out of the way and his nose clashed with the backs elbow. I can't remember our 3rd blood sub? Then we had the standard 5 changes.
Gilroy has a lot to answer for alright....did yer man Mickey Whealan retiring have anything to do with some of the bad calls....what was his role in the backroom team last year?
Think it was for Keegan. Obviously hoped they could re locate the finger on the side of the pitch. There was nice wound to go with it to which is fairly unusual for dislocations.
That could have happened if he has a compound fracture and the bone came through the skin. Will he be alright for the final or is it still unknown?
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Quote from: ballinaman on September 04, 2012, 06:52:53 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 04, 2012, 06:24:38 PM
QuoteI'd no clue you could use limitless subs in the case of injuries,
It's limited alright but blood subs are a different item.
I saw McLoughlin's one and it looked like his head accidently clashed with McCarthy's boot. Varley was acting like he was pushing his man out of the way and his nose clashed with the backs elbow. I can't remember our 3rd blood sub? Then we had the standard 5 changes.
Gilroy has a lot to answer for alright....did yer man Mickey Whealan retiring have anything to do with some of the bad calls....what was his role in the backroom team last year?
Think it was for Keegan. Obviously hoped they could re locate the finger on the side of the pitch. There was nice wound to go with it to which is fairly unusual for dislocations.
That could have happened if he has a compound fracture and the bone came through the skin. Will he be alright for the final or is it still unknown?
Aye, but Sean Moffatt wouldn't have signaled a blood sub if there was a bone coming through the skin, he would have been off permanently Obviously had a look at it and deemed it a dislocation and hope he would have been able to return I'd say.
Dislocated. Will be ok for final is what i heard.
Not going to say a lot about the game as there isn't much else to be said about it at this stage.
First of all congratulations to the Mayo squad and management on a fantastic performance.
It was one of the best days I've had in Croker. It had everything- the atmosphere, the hard hitting, the spectacular scoring, the drama of the comeback, the blood, sweat and tears and sportsmanship ( bar one Dublin player ).
I can't single out one player that was outstanding, every single one of them were.
Our backs done very well under pressure in the last 20mins.
Our midfield threw their weight around and caught some clean ball at vital times.
Our forwards all done what was asked of them and upped the performance that little bit extra in the absence of Andy.
Subs as well done their job when they came on.
And finally the management done very well when the quick subs had to be made for the injured players.
As for the Dublin revival I think one of the factors in it was McLoughln going off injured as we then stopped picking up the breaks and linking as he is our main man. It was no harm for the lads to be put to the pin of their collar at the end as it will stand to them in the next game and keep all the talk about Donegal.
Also I thought the Dublin players were very gracious in defeat as were the supporters. They showed great pride to come back in the end . Best of luck to ye next year.
Those of ye worrying about brolly and the media, let them f**k off. The fact of the matter is we're in an All Ireland Final and we should be embracing it 'cause we don't know when we'll be in this position again. The players and supporters have a great three weeks ahead of banter, nerves and excitement so lets enjoy it!
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QuoteI'd no clue you could use limitless subs in the case of injuries,
It's limited alright but blood subs are a different item.
I saw McLoughlin's one and it looked like his head accidently clashed with McCarthy's boot. Varley was acting like he was pushing his man out of the way and his nose clashed with the backs elbow. I can't remember our 3rd blood sub? Then we had the standard 5 changes.
Gilroy has a lot to answer for alright....did yer man Mickey Whealan retiring have anything to do with some of the bad calls....what was his role in the backroom team last year?
Think it was for Keegan. Obviously hoped they could re locate the finger on the side of the pitch. There was nice wound to go with it to which is fairly unusual for dislocations.
That could have happened if he has a compound fracture and the bone came through the skin. Will he be alright for the final or is it still unknown?
Aye, but Sean Moffatt wouldn't have signaled a blood sub if there was a bone coming through the skin, he would have been off permanently Obviously had a look at it and deemed it a dislocation and hope he would have been able to return I'd say.
Dislocated. Will be ok for final is what i heard.
Keegan was interviewed after and said he would be fine. I taught he went off to hospital during the game though so its hard to think he was ever coming back on.
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Quote from: highorlow on September 04, 2012, 06:24:38 PM
QuoteI'd no clue you could use limitless subs in the case of injuries,
It's limited alright but blood subs are a different item.
I saw McLoughlin's one and it looked like his head accidently clashed with McCarthy's boot. Varley was acting like he was pushing his man out of the way and his nose clashed with the backs elbow. I can't remember our 3rd blood sub? Then we had the standard 5 changes.
Gilroy has a lot to answer for alright....did yer man Mickey Whealan retiring have anything to do with some of the bad calls....what was his role in the backroom team last year?
Think it was for Keegan. Obviously hoped they could re locate the finger on the side of the pitch. There was nice wound to go with it to which is fairly unusual for dislocations.
That could have happened if he has a compound fracture and the bone came through the skin. Will he be alright for the final or is it still unknown?
Aye, but Sean Moffatt wouldn't have signaled a blood sub if there was a bone coming through the skin, he would have been off permanently Obviously had a look at it and deemed it a dislocation and hope he would have been able to return I'd say.
Dislocated. Will be ok for final is what i heard.
Keegan was interviewed after and said he would be fine. I taught he went off to hospital during the game though so its hard to think he was ever coming back on.
Seems he was back in Croker before the game was finished.
One thing puzzled me. Why do you need to be semi-carted off with a dislocated/broken finger? How does that affect your walking?
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One thing puzzled me. Why do you need to be semi-carted off with a dislocated/broken finger? How does that affect your walking?
Exactly right. baffled me at the time
Quote from: Hardy on September 04, 2012, 10:53:52 PM
One thing puzzled me. Why do you need to be semi-carted off with a dislocated/broken finger? How does that affect your walking?
He was given oxygen. Someone else said he had actually fainted.
Quote from: Hardy on September 04, 2012, 10:53:52 PM
One thing puzzled me. Why do you need to be semi-carted off with a dislocated/broken finger? How does that affect your walking?
Have ye ever got injured and the pain was so severe that your legs just go from under you.....I'd say that was it-Brolly would probably say he was being cynical!!
QuoteHe was given oxygen. Someone else said he had actually fainted
Aye one of the lads at work said that it was shown on rte them trying to pop the finger back in but the camera panned away. When the camera panned back they were giving the poor buck a blast of oxygen.
Mind you I could have done with some myself from the 62nd minute onwards.
Hugely disappointing day yesterday in Croke Park for all involved. Congrats to my old college mate @alan_dillon and Mayo on their win.
3 Sep
That was the Barry Cahill bucko tweeting on Monday... Any reports from David Brady buckos ? Is he still banging his chest
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QuoteI'd no clue you could use limitless subs in the case of injuries,
It's limited alright but blood subs are a different item.
I saw McLoughlin's one and it looked like his head accidently clashed with McCarthy's boot. Varley was acting like he was pushing his man out of the way and his nose clashed with the backs elbow. I can't remember our 3rd blood sub? Then we had the standard 5 changes.
Gilroy has a lot to answer for alright....did yer man Mickey Whealan retiring have anything to do with some of the bad calls....what was his role in the backroom team last year?
Think it was for Keegan. Obviously hoped they could re locate the finger on the side of the pitch. There was nice wound to go with it to which is fairly unusual for dislocations.
That could have happened if he has a compound fracture and the bone came through the skin. Will he be alright for the final or is it still unknown?
Aye, but Sean Moffatt wouldn't have signaled a blood sub if there was a bone coming through the skin, he would have been off permanently Obviously had a look at it and deemed it a dislocation and hope he would have been able to return I'd say.
Dislocated. Will be ok for final is what i heard.
Keegan was interviewed after and said he would be fine. I taught he went off to hospital during the game though so its hard to think he was ever coming back on.
Seems he was back in Croker before the game was finished.
We could have done with him on the pitch the game and hopefully he ll be ok for the final. Richie Feeney is a worry and both missing would be critical.
The trick with dislocated fingers is to pop them out as quickly as possible. Ideally Clarkey could have done it but he may have suspected a fracture. I ve done a few on the pitch - including one of my own and a thumb( thankfully that was somebody else :D) - but nowadays you have to go by the book and it s casualty/doctor all the way. Dr Seán would have tried to pop it out but then - correctly - decided to look at the bigger picture. The player was distressed and no point continuing the process on the pitch. No 2 dislocations are the same and a bad one would put anybody on their hole.
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Quote from: highorlow on September 04, 2012, 06:24:38 PM
QuoteI'd no clue you could use limitless subs in the case of injuries,
It's limited alright but blood subs are a different item.
I saw McLoughlin's one and it looked like his head accidently clashed with McCarthy's boot. Varley was acting like he was pushing his man out of the way and his nose clashed with the backs elbow. I can't remember our 3rd blood sub? Then we had the standard 5 changes.
Gilroy has a lot to answer for alright....did yer man Mickey Whealan retiring have anything to do with some of the bad calls....what was his role in the backroom team last year?
Think it was for Keegan. Obviously hoped they could re locate the finger on the side of the pitch. There was nice wound to go with it to which is fairly unusual for dislocations.
That could have happened if he has a compound fracture and the bone came through the skin. Will he be alright for the final or is it still unknown?
Aye, but Sean Moffatt wouldn't have signaled a blood sub if there was a bone coming through the skin, he would have been off permanently Obviously had a look at it and deemed it a dislocation and hope he would have been able to return I'd say.
Dislocated. Will be ok for final is what i heard.
Keegan was interviewed after and said he would be fine. I taught he went off to hospital during the game though so its hard to think he was ever coming back on.
Seems he was back in Croker before the game was finished.
Maybe. But I taught he didnt get until the other players were togged in
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 04, 2012, 10:56:41 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 04, 2012, 10:53:52 PM
One thing puzzled me. Why do you need to be semi-carted off with a dislocated/broken finger? How does that affect your walking?
Exactly right. baffled me at the time
Will help ye with that one Hardy and Duffle,break/dislocate each others finger and see how well ye keep your feet ::)
Quote from: Jinxy on August 04, 2012, 08:45:01 PM
Mayos to lose on todays evidence.
Discuss.
19 points to sixteen.End of discussion ;D
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Quote from: Hardy on September 04, 2012, 10:53:52 PM
One thing puzzled me. Why do you need to be semi-carted off with a dislocated/broken finger? How does that affect your walking?
Exactly right. baffled me at the time
Will help ye with that one Hardy and Duffle,break/dislocate each others finger and see how well ye keep your feet ::)
What? I don't stand on my hands.
anywhere online to watch the match or highlights lads?
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Quote from: DuffleKing on September 04, 2012, 10:56:41 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 04, 2012, 10:53:52 PM
One thing puzzled me. Why do you need to be semi-carted off with a dislocated/broken finger? How does that affect your walking?
Exactly right. baffled me at the time
Will help ye with that one Hardy and Duffle,break/dislocate each others finger and see how well ye keep your feet ::)
What? I don't stand on my hands.
Really? Most apes are capable of that I thought?
Good one Tubberman!
Quote from: JimStynes on September 05, 2012, 10:08:30 AM
anywhere online to watch the match or highlights lads?
http://www.rte.ie/player/#s=latest&g=2012-09-02 (http://www.rte.ie/player/#s=latest&g=2012-09-02)
You'll have to be on the island of Ireland to watch that link. Its got two links one hightlights, one the game, only on RTE for 4 more days.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 05, 2012, 11:33:18 AM
Quote from: Hardy on September 05, 2012, 09:59:42 AM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 05, 2012, 06:33:03 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 04, 2012, 10:56:41 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 04, 2012, 10:53:52 PM
One thing puzzled me. Why do you need to be semi-carted off with a dislocated/broken finger? How does that affect your walking?
Exactly right. baffled me at the time
Will help ye with that one Hardy and Duffle,break/dislocate each others finger and see how well ye keep your feet ::)
What? I don't stand on my hands.
Really? Most apes are capable of that I thought?
;D ;D Class Tubber,pure class ;D
Watching the game on Sunday, I felt that, while McQuillan was making lots of wrong calls, he still managed to get to the end without any major incident.
Since then, I've had a good luck at a video of the game and I've revised my opinion- he made an ass's haemes of it.
I'm not saying that all his wrong calls favoured the Dubs; he let Mayo lads away with a few double hops and he managed to yellow the wrong man even after consulting with his officials.
Maybe his linesmen and umpires were at fault in some cases also- the umpire on the nearest side should have spotted that McMenamon had shinned the ball over the line when a 45 was awarded to Dublin, which Clucko pointed. That was no fault of the Dubs but that point might well have proved crucial.
The umpires at the other end were up to their task either.
I don't know what led up to the incident where McMahon dropped Varley with an elbow jab but the umpires at the Dublin end should have been on the watch out for off the ball incidents. However, what happened next does concern me.
Varley was clearly stunned as he lay on the ground and O'Carroll proceeded to grab him and dragged him to his feet and then gave him a few good shakes. That was an extremely dangerous thing to do as Varley could have had a brain or a spine injury. He put up no resistance and it should have been obvious to all that he was genuinely injured.
Yet McQuillan made no big deal of it. Neither did his umpires.
Thankfully, it appears that he wasn't seriously injured and is making a good recovery but things might have gone seriously wrong for him if he had been. McStay in his commentary reckoned that O'Carroll should have been given a yellow card but it's going to take more than yellow cards to put an end to this practice of players dragging others on the ground around the place. This wasn't the first such incident and it won't be the last until it's made a sending off offence. I'm not thinking of what happened on Sunday only - it goes on all the time.
A bit like the Spillane assault incident, you can't condone it, but you know who to blame for creating the conditions that led to it. In this case it's the legion of cheats who have so misunderstood the reasons for playing amateur sport that they have made the feigning of injury a commonplace in the game. And they'll continue to do it until someone in Varley's position suffers a serious injury or worse as a result, or until we decide to eradicate this from the game. It's our choice.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2012, 02:09:41 PM
Watching the game on Sunday, I felt that, while McQuillan was making lots of wrong calls, he still managed to get to the end without any major incident.
Since then, I've had a good luck at a video of the game and I've revised my opinion- he made an ass's haemes of it.
I'm not saying that all his wrong calls favoured the Dubs; he let Mayo lads away with a few double hops and he managed to yellow the wrong man even after consulting with his officials.
Maybe his linesmen and umpires were at fault in some cases also- the umpire on the nearest side should have spotted that McMenamon had shinned the ball over the line when a 45 was awarded to Dublin, which Clucko pointed. That was no fault of the Dubs but that point might well have proved crucial.
The umpires at the other end were up to their task either.
I don't know what led up to the incident where McMahon dropped Varley with an elbow jab but the umpires at the Dublin end should have been on the watch out for off the ball incidents. However, what happened next does concern me.
Varley was clearly stunned as he lay on the ground and O'Carroll proceeded to grab him and dragged him to his feet and then gave him a few good shakes. That was an extremely dangerous thing to do as Varley could have had a brain or a spine injury. He put up no resistance and it should have been obvious to all that he was genuinely injured.
Yet McQuillan made no big deal of it. Neither did his umpires.
Thankfully, it appears that he wasn't seriously injured and is making a good recovery but things might have gone seriously wrong for him if he had been. McStay in his commentary reckoned that O'Carroll should have been given a yellow card but it's going to take more than yellow cards to put an end to this practice of players dragging others on the ground around the place. This wasn't the first such incident and it won't be the last until it's made a sending off offence. I'm not thinking of what happened on Sunday only - it goes on all the time.
Lar on the intial elbow that caused the injury that appears to have been a genuine clash and an injury caused without malice, however the behaviour of Rory O' Carroll lifting, shaking and pulling at Varley was a disgrace. I understand his behaviour warrented only a yellow according to the rules. This needs to be addressed, the GAA are rightly gettting all high and mighty over a possible incident following a pitch invasion when celebrating fans enter the pitch, but when a lad receives a traumatic brain injury in one of this incidents they will see whats what.
Quote from: Hardy on September 06, 2012, 02:17:10 PM
A bit like the Spillane assault incident, you can't condone it, but you know who to blame for creating the conditions that led to it. In this case it's the legion of cheats who have so misunderstood the reasons for playing amateur sport that they have made the feigning of injury a commonplace in the game. And they'll continue to do it until someone in Varley's position suffers a serious injury or worse as a result, or until we decide to eradicate this from the game. It's our choice.
I know you are not just referring to Mayo or Dublin here, but I have watched the match a few times now, between being there, the Sunday game and a few goes on rte player and the more I watch it the more I see very few of the Mayo injuries being anything but genuine. There is a fierce load of redmist reactions from the Dubs from start to finish though. Many of the Mayo injuries are a result of clashes or accidents, that still does not mean these lads weren't injured.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 06, 2012, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2012, 02:09:41 PM
Watching the game on Sunday, I felt that, while McQuillan was making lots of wrong calls, he still managed to get to the end without any major incident.
Since then, I've had a good luck at a video of the game and I've revised my opinion- he made an ass's haemes of it.
I'm not saying that all his wrong calls favoured the Dubs; he let Mayo lads away with a few double hops and he managed to yellow the wrong man even after consulting with his officials.
Maybe his linesmen and umpires were at fault in some cases also- the umpire on the nearest side should have spotted that McMenamon had shinned the ball over the line when a 45 was awarded to Dublin, which Clucko pointed. That was no fault of the Dubs but that point might well have proved crucial.
The umpires at the other end were up to their task either.
I don't know what led up to the incident where McMahon dropped Varley with an elbow jab but the umpires at the Dublin end should have been on the watch out for off the ball incidents. However, what happened next does concern me.
Varley was clearly stunned as he lay on the ground and O'Carroll proceeded to grab him and dragged him to his feet and then gave him a few good shakes. That was an extremely dangerous thing to do as Varley could have had a brain or a spine injury. He put up no resistance and it should have been obvious to all that he was genuinely injured.
Yet McQuillan made no big deal of it. Neither did his umpires.
Thankfully, it appears that he wasn't seriously injured and is making a good recovery but things might have gone seriously wrong for him if he had been. McStay in his commentary reckoned that O'Carroll should have been given a yellow card but it's going to take more than yellow cards to put an end to this practice of players dragging others on the ground around the place. This wasn't the first such incident and it won't be the last until it's made a sending off offence. I'm not thinking of what happened on Sunday only - it goes on all the time.
Lar on the intial elbow that caused the injury that appears to have been a genuine clash and an injury caused without malice, however the behaviour of Rory O' Carroll lifting, shaking and pulling at Varley was a disgrace. I understand his behaviour warrented only a yellow according to the rules. This needs to be addressed, the GAA are rightly gettting all high and mighty over a possible incident following a pitch invasion when celebrating fans enter the pitch, but when a lad receives a traumatic brain injury in one of this incidents they will see whats what.
I agree that Varley's genuine injury seemed to be accidental. And, for the sake of safety, I'd reluctantly agree that O'Carroll's offence should be a red card. But I have no doubt that O'Carroll thought Varley was feigning. Such a thought would never have occurred to him if feigning hadn't become endemic in the game. So if roughing up a player on the ground is to be a red card, feigning should be a red card, six months and a penalty kick.
It wasn't borderline at all. O'Carroll actually looked over in the direction of McQuillan and continued dragging Varley up and down for about three more seconds. I was over near that corner and the length of time O'Carroll spent at Varley was pretty sickening to watch. He lost his head completely and it should have been a very easy decision to send him off.
McQuillan let O'Carroll foul Freeman, Varley's replacement, at least three times without ever blowing up. He was afraid to show a red card.
If roughing up a player on the ground is to be a red card, feigning should be a red card, six months and a penalty kick. So Hardy how would you penalise a player who cheats by throwing a ball into a goal to win a game. And then spends the rest of his time trying to convince the umpires and the referee. Of course this is a more noble art of the game compared to diving. :P
I haven't thought about such a hypothetical situation. I imagine that such a transgression (and I don't recall ever seeing such a case) would be a technical foul on the ball, much the same as two hops or the often seen but never penalised palmed point. Free out.
A Louth player was sent off against us for dragging a player off the ground, there is nothing else to my mind that the red card could be for. The big discussion McQuillan had at the time with his officials looked, to me, as if he was wanting 100% confirmation and agreement to send him off.
Some game on Sunday, fair play to all the Mayo players and management.
And comiserations to the Dublin players, management and fans - all very gracious in defeat and great champions.
Will leave any comments for the AIF thread but on the post below Lar, you have to admit the huge part that luck plays in any managers fortunes - consider what would have been said if Coyle's point had been caught by Madden or if BB had stuck his goal chance in the 65th minute.......
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 04, 2012, 02:20:55 PM
The 96-97 side was the best I have seen before now but they didn't match up to Horan's Heros in a number of important aspects.
Maughan's team in the drawn game caved in under pressure in Mayo's time-honoured fashion.
By contrast, the team on Sunday never lost the plot and had regained their composure in the dying moments. Maughan's side were big men, all over six feet, and were in superb physical condition but even the manager caved in when Meath turned the screw.
As an old Kerry friend, a man with a few AI medals, said to me afterwards, "If ye had Micko on the sideline, there'd be no need for a replay."
Anything that's all history now.
In stark contrast, our two Jimmys didn't flap up and down the sideline like headless chickens or turn their backs when Mayo were awarded close-in frees. Like yourself, I've had a lot more dinner times than dinners when it comes to Mayo football and the is the first time I've seen a team that has what it takes to go the whole way.
Quote from: Hardy on September 06, 2012, 02:17:10 PM
A bit like the Spillane assault incident, you can't condone it, but you know who to blame for creating the conditions that led to it. In this case it's the legion of cheats who have so misunderstood the reasons for playing amateur sport that they have made the feigning of injury a commonplace in the game. And they'll continue to do it until someone in Varley's position suffers a serious injury or worse as a result, or until we decide to eradicate this from the game. It's our choice.
Agree. If this happens at club and underage there ll be mayhem. It needs to be stamped out. It is not up to players to decide if an opponent is feigning or not. A player that drags a downed opponent - genuine or feigning - should be treated same as a any other type of assault. Yellow or even red depending on the extent of the interference.
On the other hand refs have the option to add on time for playacting and other guidelines could be given to refs if they believe a player is simulating injury. The worry there is that some refs could end up carding players who are really injured. There s a lot of hypocricy involved as well. Two different sets of supporters can see the same thing as cheating on the one hand or clever on the other.
Noel O Leary s dragging of Vaughan in league final was even more sickening because Vaughan was lucky not to have a very serious injury when he was hit by Cadogan while falling. It could easily have resulted in a whiplash type neck injury but O Leary showed one of the poorest calls I ve ever seen in a sportsman. He showed no concept of duty of care to a fellow player to an extent that was shocking imo. No game is worth putting another player in hospital or in a wheelchair. Maurice Deegan was intimidated so badly that day that he did well to survive at the highest level. If he had dealth with the O Leary thing then O Carroll would have thought twice. Apparently the message went out that you could drag injured Mayo players around Croke Park, if you were one of the big boys, with the refs blessing.
Thankfully in the Varley incident the closest Mayo players arrived quickly on the scene and the ref was forced to consider the situation.
Quote from: Hardy on September 06, 2012, 02:21:33 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 06, 2012, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2012, 02:09:41 PM
Watching the game on Sunday, I felt that, while McQuillan was making lots of wrong calls, he still managed to get to the end without any major incident.
Since then, I've had a good luck at a video of the game and I've revised my opinion- he made an ass's haemes of it.
I'm not saying that all his wrong calls favoured the Dubs; he let Mayo lads away with a few double hops and he managed to yellow the wrong man even after consulting with his officials.
Maybe his linesmen and umpires were at fault in some cases also- the umpire on the nearest side should have spotted that McMenamon had shinned the ball over the line when a 45 was awarded to Dublin, which Clucko pointed. That was no fault of the Dubs but that point might well have proved crucial.
The umpires at the other end were up to their task either.
I don't know what led up to the incident where McMahon dropped Varley with an elbow jab but the umpires at the Dublin end should have been on the watch out for off the ball incidents. However, what happened next does concern me.
Varley was clearly stunned as he lay on the ground and O'Carroll proceeded to grab him and dragged him to his feet and then gave him a few good shakes. That was an extremely dangerous thing to do as Varley could have had a brain or a spine injury. He put up no resistance and it should have been obvious to all that he was genuinely injured.
Yet McQuillan made no big deal of it. Neither did his umpires.
Thankfully, it appears that he wasn't seriously injured and is making a good recovery but things might have gone seriously wrong for him if he had been. McStay in his commentary reckoned that O'Carroll should have been given a yellow card but it's going to take more than yellow cards to put an end to this practice of players dragging others on the ground around the place. This wasn't the first such incident and it won't be the last until it's made a sending off offence. I'm not thinking of what happened on Sunday only - it goes on all the time.
Lar on the intial elbow that caused the injury that appears to have been a genuine clash and an injury caused without malice, however the behaviour of Rory O' Carroll lifting, shaking and pulling at Varley was a disgrace. I understand his behaviour warrented only a yellow according to the rules. This needs to be addressed, the GAA are rightly gettting all high and mighty over a possible incident following a pitch invasion when celebrating fans enter the pitch, but when a lad receives a traumatic brain injury in one of this incidents they will see whats what.
I agree that Varley's genuine injury seemed to be accidental. And, for the sake of safety, I'd reluctantly agree that O'Carroll's offence should be a red card. But I have no doubt that O'Carroll thought Varley was feigning. Such a thought would never have occurred to him if feigning hadn't become endemic in the game. So if roughing up a player on the ground is to be a red card, feigning should be a red card, six months and a penalty kick.
I don't think it was up to O'Carroll to decide if Varley's injuries were genuine or not and when he assumed that they weren't, what he did next was potentially life-threatening. From an early stage, players on both sides realised that McQuillan wasn't able to control the game and they reacted accordingly.
Mayo committed a lot of tactical fouls when the tide was running in Dublin's favour and Dublin, not to be outdone, went in for the ordinary decent type of fouls like foot trips and digs.
I doubt very much that O'Carroll would have proceeded to rough up Varley as he lay motionless on the ground if he knew he was in danger of being red-carded.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 06, 2012, 08:02:12 PM
Some game on Sunday, fair play to all the Mayo players and management.
And comiserations to the Dublin players, management and fans - all very gracious in defeat and great champions.
Will leave any comments for the AIF thread but on the post below Lar, you have to admit the huge part that luck plays in any managers fortunes - consider what would have been said if Coyle's point had been caught by Madden or if BB had stuck his goal chance in the 65th minute.......
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 04, 2012, 02:20:55 PM
The 96-97 side was the best I have seen before now but they didn't match up to Horan's Heros in a number of important aspects.
Maughan's team in the drawn game caved in under pressure in Mayo's time-honoured fashion.
By contrast, the team on Sunday never lost the plot and had regained their composure in the dying moments. Maughan's side were big men, all over six feet, and were in superb physical condition but even the manager caved in when Meath turned the screw.
As an old Kerry friend, a man with a few AI medals, said to me afterwards, "If ye had Micko on the sideline, there'd be no need for a replay."
Anything that's all history now.
In stark contrast, our two Jimmys didn't flap up and down the sideline like headless chickens or turn their backs when Mayo were awarded close-in frees. Like yourself, I've had a lot more dinner times than dinners when it comes to Mayo football and the is the first time I've seen a team that has what it takes to go the whole way.
I agree with all that but it doesn't affect the point I was making.
Mayo crumbled under pressure in '96 when Meath tacked on 6 points in the last 20 minutes. I recall Maughan turning his back on the play when Mayo were awarded a relatively easy free that Maurice could be expected to slot over. Needless to say, the hoor put it wide and the rest is history.
If the manager panics, what hope is there for the players?
Horan and Nallen kept their composure and Mayo survived.
If BB had scored a goal that time, Mayo would have lost but if that had happened , O'Connor, Doherty and Conroy would now be having sleepless nights.If Mayo in '96 had 8 replacement to contend with, they would have fallen apart. This side should have lost its shape but didn't and rallied strongly to put the result beyond doubt.
Jeez lar I hope you are not serious when you say that John Maughan cracked under pressure just because he turned his back on the play for a second and I hope you do not believe that rubbish that if we had Micko on the line that day that there would be no need for a replay.The fact is that if we did not have Maughan we would not have won a connacht title never mind compete for an all ireland final and it is totally disrepectable to Maughan to say otherwise.
I don't know of anyone who has an 'in between' view of Maughan.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2012, 11:27:00 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 06, 2012, 08:02:12 PM
Some game on Sunday, fair play to all the Mayo players and management.
And comiserations to the Dublin players, management and fans - all very gracious in defeat and great champions.
Will leave any comments for the AIF thread but on the post below Lar, you have to admit the huge part that luck plays in any managers fortunes - consider what would have been said if Coyle's point had been caught by Madden or if BB had stuck his goal chance in the 65th minute.......
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 04, 2012, 02:20:55 PM
The 96-97 side was the best I have seen before now but they didn't match up to Horan's Heros in a number of important aspects.
Maughan's team in the drawn game caved in under pressure in Mayo's time-honoured fashion.
By contrast, the team on Sunday never lost the plot and had regained their composure in the dying moments. Maughan's side were big men, all over six feet, and were in superb physical condition but even the manager caved in when Meath turned the screw.
As an old Kerry friend, a man with a few AI medals, said to me afterwards, "If ye had Micko on the sideline, there'd be no need for a replay."
Anything that's all history now.
In stark contrast, our two Jimmys didn't flap up and down the sideline like headless chickens or turn their backs when Mayo were awarded close-in frees. Like yourself, I've had a lot more dinner times than dinners when it comes to Mayo football and the is the first time I've seen a team that has what it takes to go the whole way.
I agree with all that but it doesn't affect the point I was making.
Mayo crumbled under pressure in '96 when Meath tacked on 6 points in the last 20 minutes. I recall Maughan turning his back on the play when Mayo were awarded a relatively easy free that Maurice could be expected to slot over. Needless to say, the hoor put it wide and the rest is history.
If the manager panics, what hope is there for the players?
Horan and Nallen kept their composure and Mayo survived.
If BB had scored a goal that time, Mayo would have lost but if that had happened , O'Connor, Doherty and Conroy would now be having sleepless nights.If Mayo in '96 had 8 replacement to contend with, they would have fallen apart. This side should have lost its shape but didn't and rallied strongly to put the result beyond doubt.
Lar we did lose our shape. In fact we collapsed as badly as any time in the past and if we had lost it after the lead we had it would have been the worst defeat of all our bad days.
The difference between last day and 96/97 was that we managed to survive one of the most desperate set of circumstances a team will face at that level. And the sideline kept it s cool when whole families, who couldn t be there, were cowering behind the sofa.
But there was good reason for our collapse the last day. I don t think any other team would have survived in the circumstances, and I still cant imagine how we dug it out. Lads that were kept in reserve had to be thrown in early and sick and stitched players like Boyle and McLoughlin had to be used and reintroduced. Unbelievable when you think about. Richie Feeney - who you could start without hesitation - is kept as an impact and safe pair of hands in last 15 came on for Keegan who has been one of our best players. But he had to be replaced in turn when he got injured. The Mayo sideline had serious logistics and decisions to make last Sunday and survived. 96/97 we got a lot wrong but that s the way it goes.
About the BB goal chance. That was a save by Clarkie.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2012, 11:10:50 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 06, 2012, 02:21:33 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 06, 2012, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2012, 02:09:41 PM
Watching the game on Sunday, I felt that, while McQuillan was making lots of wrong calls, he still managed to get to the end without any major incident.
Since then, I've had a good luck at a video of the game and I've revised my opinion- he made an ass's haemes of it.
I'm not saying that all his wrong calls favoured the Dubs; he let Mayo lads away with a few double hops and he managed to yellow the wrong man even after consulting with his officials.
Maybe his linesmen and umpires were at fault in some cases also- the umpire on the nearest side should have spotted that McMenamon had shinned the ball over the line when a 45 was awarded to Dublin, which Clucko pointed. That was no fault of the Dubs but that point might well have proved crucial.
The umpires at the other end were up to their task either.
I don't know what led up to the incident where McMahon dropped Varley with an elbow jab but the umpires at the Dublin end should have been on the watch out for off the ball incidents. However, what happened next does concern me.
Varley was clearly stunned as he lay on the ground and O'Carroll proceeded to grab him and dragged him to his feet and then gave him a few good shakes. That was an extremely dangerous thing to do as Varley could have had a brain or a spine injury. He put up no resistance and it should have been obvious to all that he was genuinely injured.
Yet McQuillan made no big deal of it. Neither did his umpires.
Thankfully, it appears that he wasn't seriously injured and is making a good recovery but things might have gone seriously wrong for him if he had been. McStay in his commentary reckoned that O'Carroll should have been given a yellow card but it's going to take more than yellow cards to put an end to this practice of players dragging others on the ground around the place. This wasn't the first such incident and it won't be the last until it's made a sending off offence. I'm not thinking of what happened on Sunday only - it goes on all the time.
Lar on the intial elbow that caused the injury that appears to have been a genuine clash and an injury caused without malice, however the behaviour of Rory O' Carroll lifting, shaking and pulling at Varley was a disgrace. I understand his behaviour warrented only a yellow according to the rules. This needs to be addressed, the GAA are rightly gettting all high and mighty over a possible incident following a pitch invasion when celebrating fans enter the pitch, but when a lad receives a traumatic brain injury in one of this incidents they will see whats what.
I agree that Varley's genuine injury seemed to be accidental. And, for the sake of safety, I'd reluctantly agree that O'Carroll's offence should be a red card. But I have no doubt that O'Carroll thought Varley was feigning. Such a thought would never have occurred to him if feigning hadn't become endemic in the game. So if roughing up a player on the ground is to be a red card, feigning should be a red card, six months and a penalty kick.
I don't think it was up to O'Carroll to decide if Varley's injuries were genuine or not and when he assumed that they weren't, what he did next was potentially life-threatening. From an early stage, players on both sides realised that McQuillan wasn't able to control the game and they reacted accordingly.
Mayo committed a lot of tactical fouls when the tide was running in Dublin's favour and Dublin, not to be outdone, went in for the ordinary decent type of fouls like foot trips and digs.
I doubt very much that O'Carroll would have proceeded to rough up Varley as he lay motionless on the ground if he knew he was in danger of being red-carded.
Missed my point completely there, Lar.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2012, 11:10:50 PM
I don't think it was up to O'Carroll to decide if Varley's injuries were genuine or not and when he assumed that they weren't, what he did next was potentially life-threatening.
If a bloody nose counts in Mayo as potentially life threatening, that explains a lot about the amount of Mayo players hitting the deck on Sunday.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 06, 2012, 11:59:22 PM
I don't know of anyone who has an 'in between' view of Maughan.
you are probably right farandeelin but it drives me crazy when I hear soft aul chat like"shur if we only had Micko in charge we would have won the 1996 final".Were the county board going to fire J.M after beating Kerry in the all ireland semi final?For some reason we love to knock our own and if Dublin had completed there comeback we would be saying that Horan was the worst manager in history and if only we had a more experienced manager we would have prevailed.Anyways rant over and lets concentrate on the final and how we are going to beat Donegal so we will not have to be dredging it up in 15 or 20 years time. :)
Anyway, Dublin's comeback was more down to frees than exhiliarating scores in my opinion. Look at those last 26 minutes again, it's not as if they were scoring points like Mayo were. Mayo scored some great points on Sunday.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 07, 2012, 02:25:38 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2012, 11:10:50 PM
I don't think it was up to O'Carroll to decide if Varley's injuries were genuine or not and when he assumed that they weren't, what he did next was potentially life-threatening.
If a bloody nose counts in Mayo as potentially life threatening, that explains a lot about the amount of Mayo players hitting the deck on Sunday.
And Dr O Carroll knew at the time that there was no injury??.The Jackeen was WRONG end of.
Quote from: Hardy on September 07, 2012, 12:15:27 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2012, 11:10:50 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 06, 2012, 02:21:33 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 06, 2012, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2012, 02:09:41 PM
Watching the game on Sunday, I felt that, while McQuillan was making lots of wrong calls, he still managed to get to the end without any major incident.
Since then, I've had a good luck at a video of the game and I've revised my opinion- he made an ass's haemes of it.
I'm not saying that all his wrong calls favoured the Dubs; he let Mayo lads away with a few double hops and he managed to yellow the wrong man even after consulting with his officials.
Maybe his linesmen and umpires were at fault in some cases also- the umpire on the nearest side should have spotted that McMenamon had shinned the ball over the line when a 45 was awarded to Dublin, which Clucko pointed. That was no fault of the Dubs but that point might well have proved crucial.
The umpires at the other end were up to their task either.
I don't know what led up to the incident where McMahon dropped Varley with an elbow jab but the umpires at the Dublin end should have been on the watch out for off the ball incidents. However, what happened next does concern me.
Varley was clearly stunned as he lay on the ground and O'Carroll proceeded to grab him and dragged him to his feet and then gave him a few good shakes. That was an extremely dangerous thing to do as Varley could have had a brain or a spine injury. He put up no resistance and it should have been obvious to all that he was genuinely injured.
Yet McQuillan made no big deal of it. Neither did his umpires.
Thankfully, it appears that he wasn't seriously injured and is making a good recovery but things might have gone seriously wrong for him if he had been. McStay in his commentary reckoned that O'Carroll should have been given a yellow card but it's going to take more than yellow cards to put an end to this practice of players dragging others on the ground around the place. This wasn't the first such incident and it won't be the last until it's made a sending off offence. I'm not thinking of what happened on Sunday only - it goes on all the time.
Lar on the intial elbow that caused the injury that appears to have been a genuine clash and an injury caused without malice, however the behaviour of Rory O' Carroll lifting, shaking and pulling at Varley was a disgrace. I understand his behaviour warrented only a yellow according to the rules. This needs to be addressed, the GAA are rightly gettting all high and mighty over a possible incident following a pitch invasion when celebrating fans enter the pitch, but when a lad receives a traumatic brain injury in one of this incidents they will see whats what.
I agree that Varley's genuine injury seemed to be accidental. And, for the sake of safety, I'd reluctantly agree that O'Carroll's offence should be a red card. But I have no doubt that O'Carroll thought Varley was feigning. Such a thought would never have occurred to him if feigning hadn't become endemic in the game. So if roughing up a player on the ground is to be a red card, feigning should be a red card, six months and a penalty kick.
I don't think it was up to O'Carroll to decide if Varley's injuries were genuine or not and when he assumed that they weren't, what he did next was potentially life-threatening. From an early stage, players on both sides realised that McQuillan wasn't able to control the game and they reacted accordingly.
Mayo committed a lot of tactical fouls when the tide was running in Dublin's favour and Dublin, not to be outdone, went in for the ordinary decent type of fouls like foot trips and digs.
I doubt very much that O'Carroll would have proceeded to rough up Varley as he lay motionless on the ground if he knew he was in danger of being red-carded.
Missed my point completely there, Lar.
My apologies if I have misread your comments but I can't see how I did this. I certainly agree that Varley was genuinely injured but, for me, that has no bearing on what O'Carroll proceeded to do to him. I believe that O'Carroll's assault on Varley should be judged on its merits.
He is entitled to his opinion, like everyone else, but but acting on his belief is quite another matter.
Yup, feigning injury has become endemic in GAA matches and I wouldn't mind if a transgressor got all you say and maybe a good toe up the hole into the bargain but that doesn't mean any other player should be allowed take the law into his hands.
I don't know whose safety you had in mind when you reluctantly agree that O'Carroll should have received a red card but a red card would mean sweet shag all to Varley if his injuries had been aggravated because of O'Carroll's actions.
This is what Syferus had to say and I completely agree with him:
"It wasn't borderline at all. O'Carroll actually looked over in the direction of McQuillan and continued dragging Varley up and down for about three more seconds. I was over near that corner and the length of time O'Carroll spent at Varley was pretty sickening to watch. He lost his head completely and it should have been a very easy decision to send him off."
You appear to think differently. If so, you might care to elaborate.
Moysider:
Lar we did lose our shape. In fact we collapsed as badly as any time in the past and if we had lost it after the lead we had it would have been the worst defeat of all our bad days.
I suggest you should consider what Farrandeelin has to say on the matter. I totally agree with his assessment.
The difference between last day and 96/97 was that we managed to survive one of the most desperate set of circumstances a team will face at that level. And the sideline kept it s cool when whole families, who couldn t be there, were cowering behind the sofa.
That's exactly what I've been saying, isn't it?
Lads that were kept in reserve had to be thrown in early and sick and stitched players like Boyle and McLoughlin had to be used and reintroduced.
Again, I'm in total agreement with you.
96/97 we got a lot wrong but that s the way it goes.
No problem with that. I've been comparing waht we saw last Sunday with what happend in '96.
About the BB goal chance. That was a save by Clarkie.
Exactly, Clarkie kept his cool. Contrast that with Madden in '96.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 07, 2012, 02:25:38 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2012, 11:10:50 PM
I don't think it was up to O'Carroll to decide if Varley's injuries were genuine or not and when he assumed that they weren't, what he did next was potentially life-threatening.
If a bloody nose counts in Mayo as potentially life threatening, that explains a lot about the amount of Mayo players hitting the deck on Sunday.
Head injuries should always be treated as potentially dangerous until known otherwise.
Quote from: maigheo on September 07, 2012, 03:14:58 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 06, 2012, 11:59:22 PM
I don't know of anyone who has an 'in between' view of Maughan.
you are probably right farandeelin but it drives me crazy when I hear soft aul chat like"shur if we only had Micko in charge we would have won the 1996 final".Were the county board going to fire J.M after beating Kerry in the all ireland semi final?For some reason we love to knock our own and if Dublin had completed there comeback we would be saying that Horan was the worst manager in history and if only we had a more experienced manager we would have prevailed.Anyways rant over and lets concentrate on the final and how we are going to beat Donegal so we will not have to be dredging it up in 15 or 20 years time. :)
I have great respect for John Maughan. I don't think he gets the credit that's due for what he achieved with Mayo. He took a team that was going nowhere and turned it into the best side in the land by the AIF of '96.
He has brought Mayo to more AIFs than any other manager in its history.
But he did panic in the closing stages of that final as did the entire team.
I was there and I had a clear view of him as he paced up and down and turned his back, unable to watch, when Mayo were awarded a free in in the closing minutes.
Would Micko have done better than John Maughan? Well 'Badger' Glesson thought he could and that hoor has at least two more AI medals than I have.
No one can really answer that but I well believe that he might have and no, I wasn't one of the those who called for John's resignation either.
In times of pressure players tend to seek reassurance from the sideline and if they have no clear guidance they will retreat into their 'comfort zone' and where they tend to avoid mistakes and shirk taking on responsibility.
(That's coming to you, courtesy of James Horan who stated it in one of his pieces from the Mayo Advertiser. The bould Jimmy was (is?)one of the most insightful sports analysts I have come across.)
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 07, 2012, 02:25:38 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2012, 11:10:50 PM
I don't think it was up to O'Carroll to decide if Varley's injuries were genuine or not and when he assumed that they weren't, what he did next was potentially life-threatening.
If a bloody nose counts in Mayo as potentially life threatening, that explains a lot about the amount of Mayo players hitting the deck on Sunday.
FFS, that doesn't merit a reply never mind a response.
I'd say you are a complete gobshite but I don't want to sink to that level.
(
However, that doesn't stop me thinking it.) ;D
Look, O'Carroll shouldn't have done what he did, but Jesus, some of the remarks on here about the Mayo lad's life being in danger are just plain ridiculous. The chances of that kind of knock threatening a life are vanishingly small, and you know it.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 07, 2012, 01:46:15 PM
Look, O'Carroll shouldn't have done what he did, but Jesus, some of the remarks on here about the Mayo lad's life being in danger are just plain ridiculous. The chances of that kind of knock threatening a life are vanishingly small, and you know it.
So its ok to drag an opponent around the place
safe in the knowledge that they wont die......idiot
Read the first sentence....idiot.
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 07, 2012, 01:57:18 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 07, 2012, 01:46:15 PM
Look, O'Carroll shouldn't have done what he did, but Jesus, some of the remarks on here about the Mayo lad's life being in danger are just plain ridiculous. The chances of that kind of knock threatening a life are vanishingly small, and you know it.
So its ok to drag an opponent around the place
safe in the knowledge that they wont die......idiot
read my last word
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 07, 2012, 12:29:21 PM
Quote from: maigheo on September 07, 2012, 03:14:58 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 06, 2012, 11:59:22 PM
I don't know of anyone who has an 'in between' view of Maughan.
you are probably right farandeelin but it drives me crazy when I hear soft aul chat like"shur if we only had Micko in charge we would have won the 1996 final".Were the county board going to fire J.M after beating Kerry in the all ireland semi final?For some reason we love to knock our own and if Dublin had completed there comeback we would be saying that Horan was the worst manager in history and if only we had a more experienced manager we would have prevailed.Anyways rant over and lets concentrate on the final and how we are going to beat Donegal so we will not have to be dredging it up in 15 or 20 years time. :)
I have great respect for John Maughan. I don't think he gets the credit that's due for what he achieved with Mayo. He took a team that was going nowhere and turned it into the best side in the land by the AIF of '96.
He has brought Mayo to more AIFs than any other manager in its history.
But he did panic in the closing stages of that final as did the entire team.
I was there and I had a clear view of him as he paced up and down and turned his back, unable to watch, when Mayo were awarded a free in in the closing minutes.
Would Micko have done better than John Maughan? Well 'Badger' Glesson thought he could and that hoor has at least two more AI medals than I have.
No one can really answer that but I well believe that he might have and no, I wasn't one of the those who called for John's resignation either.
In times of pressure players tend to seek reassurance from the sideline and if they have no clear guidance they will retreat into their 'comfort zone' and where they tend to avoid mistakes and shirk taking on responsibility.
(That's coming to you, courtesy of James Horan who stated it in one of his pieces from the Mayo Advertiser. The bould Jimmy was (is?)one of the most insightful sports analysts I have come across.)
I think it's a case of history being written by the victors, if Brogan's goal went in Mayo would not have survived. It would've been deemed one of the most calamitous collapses in a semi final ever. The sideline had a lot to contend with but AOS was out on his feet he should have been called ashore sooner, the Mayo backs were being left one on one with their men, surely an extra defender was required.
Really was a fantastic day out from the atmosphere and craic around quinns to the noise generated in croke park. One thing happened in there that was as random as they come. i was sitting next to 2 dubs a man and woman in mid 50s and both goin daft throughout the game ( no more than myself) Anyway at half time the woman turns to her right and looks at my crest on stephenites 07 county final tshirt and says my nephew has 1 of them and proceeds to tell me who he was. Turns out she's a sister of a well known mayo referee and aunt of a former team mate of mine.. That's the beauty of the gaa i think you never know who your sitting beside at games
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 07, 2012, 10:17:14 AM
Quote from: Hardy on September 07, 2012, 12:15:27 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2012, 11:10:50 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 06, 2012, 02:21:33 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 06, 2012, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2012, 02:09:41 PM
Watching the game on Sunday, I felt that, while McQuillan was making lots of wrong calls, he still managed to get to the end without any major incident.
Since then, I've had a good luck at a video of the game and I've revised my opinion- he made an ass's haemes of it.
I'm not saying that all his wrong calls favoured the Dubs; he let Mayo lads away with a few double hops and he managed to yellow the wrong man even after consulting with his officials.
Maybe his linesmen and umpires were at fault in some cases also- the umpire on the nearest side should have spotted that McMenamon had shinned the ball over the line when a 45 was awarded to Dublin, which Clucko pointed. That was no fault of the Dubs but that point might well have proved crucial.
The umpires at the other end were up to their task either.
I don't know what led up to the incident where McMahon dropped Varley with an elbow jab but the umpires at the Dublin end should have been on the watch out for off the ball incidents. However, what happened next does concern me.
Varley was clearly stunned as he lay on the ground and O'Carroll proceeded to grab him and dragged him to his feet and then gave him a few good shakes. That was an extremely dangerous thing to do as Varley could have had a brain or a spine injury. He put up no resistance and it should have been obvious to all that he was genuinely injured.
Yet McQuillan made no big deal of it. Neither did his umpires.
Thankfully, it appears that he wasn't seriously injured and is making a good recovery but things might have gone seriously wrong for him if he had been. McStay in his commentary reckoned that O'Carroll should have been given a yellow card but it's going to take more than yellow cards to put an end to this practice of players dragging others on the ground around the place. This wasn't the first such incident and it won't be the last until it's made a sending off offence. I'm not thinking of what happened on Sunday only - it goes on all the time.
Lar on the intial elbow that caused the injury that appears to have been a genuine clash and an injury caused without malice, however the behaviour of Rory O' Carroll lifting, shaking and pulling at Varley was a disgrace. I understand his behaviour warrented only a yellow according to the rules. This needs to be addressed, the GAA are rightly gettting all high and mighty over a possible incident following a pitch invasion when celebrating fans enter the pitch, but when a lad receives a traumatic brain injury in one of this incidents they will see whats what.
I agree that Varley's genuine injury seemed to be accidental. And, for the sake of safety, I'd reluctantly agree that O'Carroll's offence should be a red card. But I have no doubt that O'Carroll thought Varley was feigning. Such a thought would never have occurred to him if feigning hadn't become endemic in the game. So if roughing up a player on the ground is to be a red card, feigning should be a red card, six months and a penalty kick.
I don't think it was up to O'Carroll to decide if Varley's injuries were genuine or not and when he assumed that they weren't, what he did next was potentially life-threatening. From an early stage, players on both sides realised that McQuillan wasn't able to control the game and they reacted accordingly.
Mayo committed a lot of tactical fouls when the tide was running in Dublin's favour and Dublin, not to be outdone, went in for the ordinary decent type of fouls like foot trips and digs.
I doubt very much that O'Carroll would have proceeded to rough up Varley as he lay motionless on the ground if he knew he was in danger of being red-carded.
Missed my point completely there, Lar.
My apologies if I have misread your comments but I can't see how I did this. I certainly agree that Varley was genuinely injured but, for me, that has no bearing on what O'Carroll proceeded to do to him. I believe that O'Carroll's assault on Varley should be judged on its merits.
He is entitled to his opinion, like everyone else, but but acting on his belief is quite another matter.
Yup, feigning injury has become endemic in GAA matches and I wouldn't mind if a transgressor got all you say and maybe a good toe up the hole into the bargain but that doesn't mean any other player should be allowed take the law into his hands.
I don't know whose safety you had in mind when you reluctantly agree that O'Carroll should have received a red card but a red card would mean sweet shag all to Varley if his injuries had been aggravated because of O'Carroll's actions.
This is what Syferus had to say and I completely agree with him:
"It wasn't borderline at all. O'Carroll actually looked over in the direction of McQuillan and continued dragging Varley up and down for about three more seconds. I was over near that corner and the length of time O'Carroll spent at Varley was pretty sickening to watch. He lost his head completely and it should have been a very easy decision to send him off."
You appear to think differently. If so, you might care to elaborate.
It's probably late to come back to this now, but just for clarity, since your missing my point was my fault for not expressing it clearly:
My point was not that O'Carroll was correct or justified in attacking Varley, just because he thought he was feigning. In fact I agreed that he should have got a red card. You can't have players deciding who is or isn't injured or attacking them either way. But the thought that a player would be feigning wouldn't even arise if it hadn't been introduced into the game by cheats and tacitly condoned by the legislators in their failure to eradicate it, to the extent that it is now endemic.
We wouldn't have O'Carrolls attacking Varleys if the very idea of feigning injury was outlandish as it used to be and would be again if we decided to stamp it out.
Quote from: Hardy on September 07, 2012, 02:36:45 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 07, 2012, 10:17:14 AM
Quote from: Hardy on September 07, 2012, 12:15:27 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2012, 11:10:50 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 06, 2012, 02:21:33 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 06, 2012, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2012, 02:09:41 PM
Watching the game on Sunday, I felt that, while McQuillan was making lots of wrong calls, he still managed to get to the end without any major incident.
Since then, I've had a good luck at a video of the game and I've revised my opinion- he made an ass's haemes of it.
I'm not saying that all his wrong calls favoured the Dubs; he let Mayo lads away with a few double hops and he managed to yellow the wrong man even after consulting with his officials.
Maybe his linesmen and umpires were at fault in some cases also- the umpire on the nearest side should have spotted that McMenamon had shinned the ball over the line when a 45 was awarded to Dublin, which Clucko pointed. That was no fault of the Dubs but that point might well have proved crucial.
The umpires at the other end were up to their task either.
I don't know what led up to the incident where McMahon dropped Varley with an elbow jab but the umpires at the Dublin end should have been on the watch out for off the ball incidents. However, what happened next does concern me.
Varley was clearly stunned as he lay on the ground and O'Carroll proceeded to grab him and dragged him to his feet and then gave him a few good shakes. That was an extremely dangerous thing to do as Varley could have had a brain or a spine injury. He put up no resistance and it should have been obvious to all that he was genuinely injured.
Yet McQuillan made no big deal of it. Neither did his umpires.
Thankfully, it appears that he wasn't seriously injured and is making a good recovery but things might have gone seriously wrong for him if he had been. McStay in his commentary reckoned that O'Carroll should have been given a yellow card but it's going to take more than yellow cards to put an end to this practice of players dragging others on the ground around the place. This wasn't the first such incident and it won't be the last until it's made a sending off offence. I'm not thinking of what happened on Sunday only - it goes on all the time.
Lar on the intial elbow that caused the injury that appears to have been a genuine clash and an injury caused without malice, however the behaviour of Rory O' Carroll lifting, shaking and pulling at Varley was a disgrace. I understand his behaviour warrented only a yellow according to the rules. This needs to be addressed, the GAA are rightly gettting all high and mighty over a possible incident following a pitch invasion when celebrating fans enter the pitch, but when a lad receives a traumatic brain injury in one of this incidents they will see whats what.
I agree that Varley's genuine injury seemed to be accidental. And, for the sake of safety, I'd reluctantly agree that O'Carroll's offence should be a red card. But I have no doubt that O'Carroll thought Varley was feigning. Such a thought would never have occurred to him if feigning hadn't become endemic in the game. So if roughing up a player on the ground is to be a red card, feigning should be a red card, six months and a penalty kick.
I don't think it was up to O'Carroll to decide if Varley's injuries were genuine or not and when he assumed that they weren't, what he did next was potentially life-threatening. From an early stage, players on both sides realised that McQuillan wasn't able to control the game and they reacted accordingly.
Mayo committed a lot of tactical fouls when the tide was running in Dublin's favour and Dublin, not to be outdone, went in for the ordinary decent type of fouls like foot trips and digs.
I doubt very much that O'Carroll would have proceeded to rough up Varley as he lay motionless on the ground if he knew he was in danger of being red-carded.
Missed my point completely there, Lar.
My apologies if I have misread your comments but I can't see how I did this. I certainly agree that Varley was genuinely injured but, for me, that has no bearing on what O'Carroll proceeded to do to him. I believe that O'Carroll's assault on Varley should be judged on its merits.
He is entitled to his opinion, like everyone else, but but acting on his belief is quite another matter.
Yup, feigning injury has become endemic in GAA matches and I wouldn't mind if a transgressor got all you say and maybe a good toe up the hole into the bargain but that doesn't mean any other player should be allowed take the law into his hands.
I don't know whose safety you had in mind when you reluctantly agree that O'Carroll should have received a red card but a red card would mean sweet shag all to Varley if his injuries had been aggravated because of O'Carroll's actions.
This is what Syferus had to say and I completely agree with him:
"It wasn't borderline at all. O'Carroll actually looked over in the direction of McQuillan and continued dragging Varley up and down for about three more seconds. I was over near that corner and the length of time O'Carroll spent at Varley was pretty sickening to watch. He lost his head completely and it should have been a very easy decision to send him off."
You appear to think differently. If so, you might care to elaborate.
It's probably late to come back to this now, but just for clarity, since your missing my point was my fault for not expressing it clearly:
My point was not that O'Carroll was correct or justified in attacking Varley, just because he thought he was feigning. In fact I agreed that he should have got a red card. You can't have players deciding who is or isn't injured or attacking them either way. But the thought that a player would be feigning wouldn't even arise if it hadn't been introduced into the game by cheats and tacitly condoned by the legislators in their failure to eradicate it, to the extent that it is now endemic.
We wouldn't have O'Carrolls attacking Varleys if the very idea of feigning injury was outlandish as it used to be and would be again if we decided to stamp it out.
Thanks for that clarification, Hardy. I understand what you are saying and I'm in full agreement with you.
Ray Silkes take a look at last weekends match. Silke being from a rival neighbouring county has taken great pleasure at Mayo's tedious journey to AI Glory. His headline sets the tempo.
Mayo footballers reach fifth All-Ireland final since 1996
Mayo Advertiser, September 07, 2012.
Ray Silke
Mayo were 10 points to the good on Sunday early in the second half, leading 0-17 to 0-7, and yet they were reduced to stumbling over the finish line to win by three. Had David Clarke not made a tremendous save in a one-on-one with Bernard Brogan near the finish, which would have levelled the game, it would probably be Dublin who would be facing Donegal in the All-Ireland final.
Normally it is mistakes inside the white-wash which costs teams in big games, but last weekend the Dublin management team made some incredible errors of judgment.
They finished the game with a more balanced, more mobile, and more potent team than the one with which they started.
Firstly, Michael Darragh Macauley, who is an all-star midfielder, should have been selected in that position to the exclusion of either Denis Bastick or Eamon Fennell with Eoghan O'Gara as an inside forward alongside Bernard Brogan.
And how a clearly unfit Alan Brogan was brought on at half time is beyond comprehension. The man was obviously not right, and how he saw action ahead of O'Gara or Kevin McMananon, who shot 1-3 when he last started a full game for Dublin, was a key factor in Dublin's defeat.
A player will nearly always feel he is in better shape than he actually is, and most players will "chance it" to see some action.
However from the first ball that he fumbled and when he could not chase after Keith Higgins, it was clear that Pat Gilroy had burned up two substitute slips to no avail.
When Dublin finally got their team set up as it should have been far earlier, they hit Mayo for eight points in a row and cut a 10 point deficit to two.
They had all the momentum at that juncture and it was left to young Cillian O' Connor with his seventh point from a high pressure free to finally stop the rot. O'Connor, who was young player of the year, showed real character when he slotted over two early 45s to give Mayo a foothold in the game. He is a very fine young footballer.
Credit to James Horan's men, too, for hitting three mini-scoring patches that won the game for them.
They hit 0-5 on the trot early in the first half, 0-4 just before half time, and the purple patch at the start of the second half when they scored five points without reply is what won them the match. The likes of Alan Dillon and Kevin McLoughlin and Aiden O' Shea were superb for Mayo at those key times and all played incredibly well.
It was only when Dublin repositioned Macauley to midfield, brought on O'Gara and McManamon, and put Diarmuid Connolly to wing-forward that they inched their way back into the game and they had the run on Mayo in the fourth quarter. However, the home side had left their gallop too late, and left themselves with too much to do.
Mayo's substitutes, and their fresh legs in the shape of Seamus O' Shea, who hit a great point, and Jason Gibbons, who won a vital kick-out, helped steady the ship. Had the Connacht champions been defeated last Sunday after leading by 10 points, it would have been an exceptionally cruel blow to their psyche.
This group of Mayo players now have the task of making sure they do not lose another All-Ireland final after their heart wrenching defeats in 1989, 1996, 1997, 2004 and 2006. One consolation is at least they will not be facing their nemesis Kerry in three weeks' time.
Having been in Croke Park for Donegal's two wins over Cork and Kerry and then last weekend's victory for Mayo over Dublin, it is impossible not to say that Donegal looked the superior team.
They just looked a more complete team than Mayo do at present.
However that kind of talk is just what James Horan will want to hear. He has done a fantastic job in the past two years. Last year they defeated the reigning All-Ireland champions (Cork) and now they have replicated that feat and they have collected two Connacht championships into the bargain.
They are a very committed, talented and organised bunch of players and the way that they have responded to the loss of their captain Andy Moran is admirable. They fully deserved their win in the All-Ireland semi-final and only a sadist would begrudge them an All-Ireland success after 61 years. However, in my opinion, they will have to find another gear if they are going to beat Donegal in the final.
The faded out when they let Dublin hit 0-8 without reply and did not score for 22 minutes which was very worrying and, if they allow something similar to happen in the final, they will be beaten.
But there is nothing definite in sport and that is why we love it.
Based on their respective two semi-final performances, I would expect Donegal to win the final. But we have all been wrong before.
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 07, 2012, 01:57:18 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 07, 2012, 01:46:15 PM
Look, O'Carroll shouldn't have done what he did, but Jesus, some of the remarks on here about the Mayo lad's life being in danger are just plain ridiculous. The chances of that kind of knock threatening a life are vanishingly small, and you know it.
So its ok to drag an opponent around the place
safe in the knowledge that they wont die......idiot
Seen the replay of what O'Carroll, what a dirty act, he deserved a good thump in the head for that carry on
Quote from: Orchardman on September 07, 2012, 06:17:31 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 07, 2012, 01:57:18 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 07, 2012, 01:46:15 PM
Look, O'Carroll shouldn't have done what he did, but Jesus, some of the remarks on here about the Mayo lad's life being in danger are just plain ridiculous. The chances of that kind of knock threatening a life are vanishingly small, and you know it.
So its ok to drag an opponent around the place
safe in the knowledge that they wont die......idiot
Seen the replay of what O'Carroll, what a dirty act, he deserved a good thump in the head for that carry on
No, he deserves a ban.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 07, 2012, 06:33:19 PM
Quote from: Orchardman on September 07, 2012, 06:17:31 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 07, 2012, 01:57:18 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 07, 2012, 01:46:15 PM
Look, O'Carroll shouldn't have done what he did, but Jesus, some of the remarks on here about the Mayo lad's life being in danger are just plain ridiculous. The chances of that kind of knock threatening a life are vanishingly small, and you know it.
So its ok to drag an opponent around the place
safe in the knowledge that they wont die......idiot
Seen the replay of what O'Carroll, what a dirty act, he deserved a good thump in the head for that carry on
No, he deserves a ban.
Utter horse shite lads.............david brady was at this shit for years and hes a hero to some..............................mayo won the game, better team on the day, but my lord did they hit the the ground with some play acting...................ure physio should get an all star, the new blonde on ure park
Haven't followed the thread, so this might seem a complete non-sequitur.
Mayo were a joy to watch last Sunday, and also against Down. A lot to the online support base might be a tad on the ar**hole side, which is why they come in for such derision when they collapse, but that was as good a display as I've seen in a long time. Tired but held on, and a bit of the old cynicism didn't detract from an overall very skillful display. Fair dues.
Which sets it up for a very grand Finale.
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Look, O'Carroll shouldn't have done what he did, but Jesus, some of the remarks on here about the Mayo lad's life being in danger are just plain ridiculous. The chances of that kind of knock threatening a life are vanishingly small, and you know it.
So its ok to drag an opponent around the place
safe in the knowledge that they wont die......idiot
Seen the replay of what O'Carroll, what a dirty act, he deserved a good thump in the head for that carry on
No, he deserves a ban.
Utter horse shite lads.............david brady was at this shit for years and hes a hero to some..............................mayo won the game, better team on the day, but my lord did they hit the the ground with some play acting...................ure physio should get an all star, the new blonde on ure park
Ah, I'm not so sure! McLoughlins kick on the back of the head, Varley elbow across the head, Keegans dislocated finger, Cafferkeys head collision with O'Gara. All looked legitimate and in some case serious injuries. I can't think of any other injuries that looked feigned or ate serious time. Most of the breakdown in play as far as i could see was the cynical fouling by Mayo of players bearing down on goal and the understandable shenanigans from frustrated Dublin players.
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Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 07, 2012, 08:16:45 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 07, 2012, 06:33:19 PM
Quote from: Orchardman on September 07, 2012, 06:17:31 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 07, 2012, 01:57:18 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 07, 2012, 01:46:15 PM
Look, O'Carroll shouldn't have done what he did, but Jesus, some of the remarks on here about the Mayo lad's life being in danger are just plain ridiculous. The chances of that kind of knock threatening a life are vanishingly small, and you know it.
So its ok to drag an opponent around the place
safe in the knowledge that they wont die......idiot
Seen the replay of what O'Carroll, what a dirty act, he deserved a good thump in the head for that carry on
No, he deserves a ban.
Utter horse shite lads.............david brady was at this shit for years and hes a hero to some..............................mayo won the game, better team on the day, but my lord did they hit the the ground with some play acting...................ure physio should get an all star, the new blonde on ure park
Ah, I'm not so sure! McLoughlins kick on the back of the head, Varley elbow across the head, Keegans dislocated finger, Cafferkeys head collision with O'Gara. All looked legitimate and in some case serious injuries. I can't think of any other injuries that looked feigned or ate serious time. Most of the breakdown in play as far as i could see was the cynical fouling by Mayo of players bearing down on goal and the understandable shenanigans from frustrated Dublin players.
I think the referee and his officials have to take most of the blame for what went on. Both teams copped on from an early stage that Joe Mac hadn't a clue.
No doubt,Mayo went to town on the cynical fouling when the Dubs put the pressure on but that's because they knew the ref wasn't likely to start waving cards about. The Dubs knew all through that he wasn't going to pick up on their late tackles and foot trips and the likes. Dublin dished it out when Mayo were on top and Mayo did the same when the tide turned.