Time to get this up and running now that we know the 8 teams who are in it plus we already know two of the Quarter Final Pairings.
( Syferus - please don't come on motivating the other 7 by telling them that we're the best team in it with the best defence , best midfield and best forwards - >:()
Date TBC - Saturday August 4th/Monday August 6th, 2012TBCElectric Ireland GAA Football All Ireland Minor Championship
Quarter Final - Roscommonvs.Kerry
Referee: TBC
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Quarter Final - Ulster Winnersvs.Leinster Runners UpTBC
Referee: TBC
Extratime playable
Quarter Final - Leinster Winnersvs.Ulster Runners UpTB
Referee: TBC
Extratime playable
Quarter Final-Tipperaryvs.Mayo
We're the best team in it with the best defence , best midfield and best forwards.
Oh, and we have the best commentator too.
Quote from: Syferus on July 19, 2012, 02:49:52 PM
We're the best team in it with the best defence , best midfield and best forwards.
Oh, and we have the best commentator too.
And you the best poster ;D
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 19, 2012, 03:12:55 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 19, 2012, 02:49:52 PM
We're the best team in it with the best defence , best midfield and best forwards.
Oh, and we have the best commentator too.
And you the best poster ;D
Thanks.
Cork haven't won a minor All Ireland for 12 years, Kerry for 17 years, Dublin for 27 years and Donegal have never won it
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2012, 04:14:52 PM
Cork haven't won a minor All Ireland for 12 years, Kerry for 17 years, Dublin for 27 years and Donegal have never won it
Cork or Donegal won't win it this year either.
Minor football isn't all about winning the All Ireland many good team's have tried but failed. Probably one of the most notable minor teams was Galway's, they lost the All Ireland semi final in the mid 90s their team had the likes of Joyce,Savage,Donnellan etc they used the minor experience to produce the goods at senior level.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2012, 04:14:52 PM
Cork haven't won a minor All Ireland for 12 years, Kerry for 17 years, Dublin for 27 years and Donegal have never won it
People fixate on minor as a bell weather. The work that'll make minors good seniors goes on after their tour of duty at this grade is done.
The teams that succeed at u21 have significantly more correlation to good senior teams but it's obviously not an exact science, though I don't think anyone has claimed it to be such.
Minor is one of the most enjoyable grades of the sport to watch and I'd wish more people would focus on it for what it offers as a grade and not just on what it can maybe offer some nebulous idea of a senior team four or five years in the future.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 19, 2012, 04:59:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2012, 04:14:52 PM
Cork haven't won a minor All Ireland for 12 years, Kerry for 17 years, Dublin for 27 years and Donegal have never won it
Cork or Donegal won't win it this year either.
Neither will Mayo.
Tyrone will beat Monaghan on Sunday but I don't think they will go any further. Not the same quality throughout the team as the 08/10 teams.
Quote from: Syferus on July 19, 2012, 02:49:52 PM
We're the best team in it with the best defence , best midfield and best forwards.
Oh, and we have the best commentator too.
Goalie not great then ;)
How i see it shaping up.
Semi finals
Tyrone v Tipperary
Dublin v Kerry
Final
Dublin v Tyrone
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 20, 2012, 07:01:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 19, 2012, 02:49:52 PM
We're the best team in it with the best defence , best midfield and best forwards.
Oh, and we have the best commentator too.
Goalie not great then ;)
Sure he's only an u16! Related to the great Karol Mango so you can be sure he'll be fearsome come August.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 20, 2012, 07:09:43 PM
How i see it shaping up.
Semi finals
Tyrone v Tipperary
Dublin v Kerry
Final
Dublin v Tyrone
Think Roscommon will beat Kerry. People forget that underage is pretty strong in Connacht although I don't think this is a particularly vintage crop this year.
Meath the dark horses, don't be surprised if they beat Dublin. Should make the semi final at least.
30 minutes played in Clones:
Tyrone 0-08 Monaghan 1-03
Half time whistle blows in Clones
Tyrone 0-08 Monaghan 1-04
Another Ulster minor title in the bag for Tyrone it looks like they will be playing Meath next.
So it's Tyrone v Meath and Monaghan v dublin. Double header in Breffni?
Still gutted about Armagh. Scored 19 points and out in the first round, while Kerry who lost twice are still in. This can't be right
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 22, 2012, 05:16:27 PM
Still gutted about Armagh. Scored 19 points and out in the first round, while Kerry who lost twice are still in. This can't be right
Sure we'll fix that for ye. Think of it as an apology for wrecking the seniors in the Hyde.
With Dublin beating Meath by 12 points in the Minor Final in Leinster and Tyrone beating Monaghan by just 3 points in Clones, I would expect the bookmakers to have a serious look at the odds for the All Ireland. Dublin will surely return to the position that they were in at this stage last year and be installed as favourites with the other fancied teams Tipperary, Tyrone and Roscommon drifting in the betting.
Quote from: Onlooker on July 22, 2012, 05:49:08 PM
With Dublin beating Meath by 12 points in the Minor Final in Leinster and Tyrone beating Monaghan by just 3 points in Clones, I would expect the bookmakers to have a serious look at the odds for the All Ireland. Dublin will surely return to the position that they were in at this stage last year and be installed as favourites with the other fancied teams Tipperary, Tyrone and Roscommon drifting in the betting.
Always thought the bookies would go spare for Dublin after the Leinster final. Beyond any other grade odds are next to useless at minor.
Quote from: Onlooker on July 22, 2012, 05:49:08 PM
With Dublin beating Meath by 12 points in the Minor Final in Leinster and Tyrone beating Monaghan by just 3 points in Clones, I would expect the bookmakers to have a serious look at the odds for the All Ireland. Dublin will surely return to the position that they were in at this stage last year and be installed as favourites with the other fancied teams Tipperary, Tyrone and Roscommon drifting in the betting.
Are you trying to take the favourites tag off Tipperary? would have to question the quality of opposition in Leinster.
Tipp have played challenge games against both Meath and Kildare and they certainly did not expect that Dublin would beat both of those teams by such large margins.
Saw the Tipp minor footballers had a fundraising cycle yesterday. An ambulance was out at them on way into Thules--looked to have been an accident--hope noone hurt badly
Team's are judged on competitive championship games. It's the second year in row Dublin have powered their way through Leinster.
I'm wondering if Mayo's game v Tipp will be in Croke Park? Or will they drag the minors and seniors to different venues on different days or will they have us on the same time and different places?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 22, 2012, 08:25:15 PM
I'm wondering if Mayo's game v Tipp will be in Croke Park? Or will they drag the minors and seniors to different venues on different days or will they have us on the same time and different places?
As provincial champions with their hurlers still in the minor championship I sincerely hope the game is fixed at a time and date to suit Tipperary. There imho has to be some sort of incentive to winning the province and if there is any justice the game should be played in Thurles or Cashel.
Imvho of course.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 22, 2012, 08:25:15 PM
I'm wondering if Mayo's game v Tipp will be in Croke Park? Or will they drag the minors and seniors to different venues on different days or will they have us on the same time and different places?
Mayo v Tipp,Ros v Kerry probably a double header in Ennis on Saturday or bank holiday Monday.
Quote from: Canalman on July 22, 2012, 08:42:56 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 22, 2012, 08:25:15 PM
I'm wondering if Mayo's game v Tipp will be in Croke Park? Or will they drag the minors and seniors to different venues on different days or will they have us on the same time and different places?
As provincial champions with their hurlers still in the minor championship I sincerely hope the game is fixed at a time and date to suit Tipperary. There imho has to be some sort of incentive to winning the province and if there is any justice the game should be played in Thurles or Cashel.
Imvho of course.
Neutral venues.
Kerry, Tipp, Mayo, Meath and Dublin are still in both so any of
Ros-Kerry
Tipp-Mayo
Dublin-Monaghan
Tyrone-Meath
can be the two lead-ins for the senior QF double bills in Croke Park in two weeks' time. Tipp could lose in R4 and the maths wouln't change, only a Kerry or Meath loss would make what the scheduling will be any clearer.
Paddy Power now has Dublin favourites at 7/4 to win the All Ireland. I think we all saw that coming.
Quote from: Onlooker on July 23, 2012, 06:00:10 PM
Paddy Power now has Dublin favourites at 7/4 to win the All Ireland. I think we all saw that coming.
Tipperary's odds didn't change much if at all? punters reckon a repeat of last year's final however i think Tyrone may have something to say about that.
Are the venues for these games being decided this weekend? Saw highlights of Dublin v Meath. Meath shipped three very soft goals no doubt they will tighten up the next day. Also saw highlights of Tipp v Kerry, Tipperary were very impressive even when they went behind they didn't panic and came back and finished very strong. At the minute I think it'll be a Dublin Tipperary Final.
Venues will be decided when the Senior Draw/Fixtures being made.
With Dublin and Mayowr definitely and Meath/Kerry/Tipp possible doubly engaged some of the Minor QFs may be in Croker.
Dublin , Mayowr and Kerry doubly involved next weekend.
Hopefully we'll get a Croker date now.
Our minor game confirmed for Croke park, early throw in time of 12pm :-\ but at least the 3 games will be value for money
Quote from: ross4life on July 29, 2012, 06:41:41 PM
Our minor game confirmed for Croke park, early throw in time of 12pm :-\ but at least the 3 games will be value for money
Happy with 12pm actually, the 2pm, 4pm, 6pm schedule last year meant I had to skip the extra-time in the Donegal-Kildare match to make the bus. The last game being on at 4pm also means a train journey back is possible too, which is always far more comfortable.
Quote from: ross4life on July 29, 2012, 06:41:41 PM
Our minor game confirmed for Croke park, early throw in time of 12pm :-\ but at least the 3 games will be value for money
Early start but better than going to Thurles or Ennis.
Should it not be 12 Noon ??? as there's no 12 am or 12 pm
3 games will be some value alright- I suppose Ros will get tickets buried in an out of the way corner :(
Last year a mate got the tickets off Ros Co Board and when he moaned about the location he was told "Sure what do you expect for Minor tickets" so he shot back - "How about a Minor price ?" ;D
Might buy on thoul' net but you don't know what sore of gob5h1te you'd be stuck beside for 6 hours.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2012, 07:18:51 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 29, 2012, 06:41:41 PM
Our minor game confirmed for Croke park, early throw in time of 12pm :-\ but at least the 3 games will be value for money
Early start but better than going to Thurles or Ennis.
Should it not be 12 Noon ??? as there's no 12 am or 12 pm
3 games will be some value alright- I suppose Ros will get tickets buried in an out of the way corner :(
Last year a mate got the tickets off Ros Co Board and when he moaned about the location he was told "Sure what do you expect for Minor tickets" so he shot back - "How about a Minor price ?" ;D
Might buy on thoul' net but you don't know what sore of gob5h1te you'd be stuck beside for 6 hours.
Tell me when you're buying them so I don't accidentally end up beside you. I won't be bringing water-proof clothing and all your sobbing will stain my lovely Hospice jersey.
Quote from: Syferus on July 29, 2012, 07:03:54 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 29, 2012, 06:41:41 PM
Our minor game confirmed for Croke park, early throw in time of 12pm :-\ but at least the 3 games will be value for money
Happy with 12pm actually, the 2pm, 4pm, 6pm schedule last year meant I had to skip the extra-time in the Donegal-Kildare match to make the bus. The last game being on at 4pm also means a train journey back is possible too, which is always far more comfortable.
It's a suitable time for those that want to travel back on public transport but i always make a weekend of it & will be staying in Dublin for the weekend's action on and off the field :)
You'll need rain gear and binoculars if you buy off Co Board Sufferus. And 6 hours beside you would be more than any mortal could bear.
Then again you'll be behind the goals in the kiddies seats with your mammy or daddy :P
Anyway this is the one we've been waiting for and let's hope we get revenge for 09.
Hopefully the Standard in Connacht will prove to have been decent but you never know at Minor till you meet a team from outside your own province.
We weren't hectic in Connacht ( apart from Leitrim game but a Div 3 club team in Ros would have bet them) but maybe the opposition were good too.
Dublin v Monaghan, Newry 5.30pm
Tyrone v Meath, Newry, 7.15pm
Ulster venue for the Ulster teams they have to be happy with that.
So r the games in newry on the sunday evening?
Tipperary team to play Mayo has 3 changes from the team that played Kerry in the Munster Final.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2012, 07:38:09 PM
You'll need rain gear and binoculars if you buy off Co Board Sufferus. And 6 hours beside you would be more than any mortal could bear.
Then again you'll be behind the goals in the kiddies seats with your mammy or daddy :P
Anyway this is the one we've been waiting for and let's hope we get revenge for 09.
Hopefully the Standard in Connacht will prove to have been decent but you never know at Minor till you meet a team from outside your own province.
We weren't hectic in Connacht ( apart from Leitrim game but a Div 3 club team in Ros would have bet them) but maybe the opposition were good too.
Mayo weren t anyway Rossfan. Whatever about Galway?
But it s a new championship now so ye could have a good cut at it. On the other hand I ve no hopes for Mayo. But we have 3 or 4 individuals that might be seniors yet.
Wouldn't be so quick to write off Mayo. Galway put in a far worse showing in last year's Connacht final and they were inches away from knocking off that highly fancied Dublin team in their semi.
The minors echoed the seniors, solid at the back and the middle, incredibly wasteful up front. I can't imagine those lads are that poor in front of goal in training and in general so an improvement there and there would be little doubt in my mind that they could give Tipp a run for their money.
Yes Galway after only scoring 0-6 v us they managed to beat the Ulster champions and almost beat the Dubs. Also worth noting 2007,2008,2009 Connacht finals were all poor performances but it didn't stop the Connacht champions from reaching the All Ireland finals.
Quote from: Syferus on August 03, 2012, 12:02:17 AM
Wouldn't be so quick to write off Mayo. Galway put in a far worse showing in last year's Connacht final and they were inches away from knocking off that highly fancied Dublin team in their semi.
The minors echoed the seniors, solid at he back and the middle, incredibly wasteful up front. I can't imagine those lads are that poor in front of goal in training and in general so an improvement there and there would be little doubt in my mind that they could give Tipp a run for their money.
An improvement there is very, very, very unlikely. Trust me on this one.
Our best minor forward ended up marking Ros best forward - the lad in the corner with the shimmy.
Quote from: ross4life on August 03, 2012, 12:24:17 AM
Yes Galway after only scoring 0-6 v us they managed to beat the Ulster champions and almost beat the Dubs. Also worth noting 2007,2008,2009 Connacht finals were all poor performances but it didn't stop the Connacht champions from reaching the All Ireland finals.
I wouldn t diss yer chances tbh. Ye like the team and I ve only really seen them once. Hopefully ye drive on.
Mayo on the other hand would have to keep any opposition to 06 to have a chance of winning.
Quote from: moysider on August 03, 2012, 12:39:22 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 03, 2012, 12:24:17 AM
Yes Galway after only scoring 0-6 v us they managed to beat the Ulster champions and almost beat the Dubs. Also worth noting 2007,2008,2009 Connacht finals were all poor performances but it didn't stop the Connacht champions from reaching the All Ireland finals.
I wouldn t diss yer chances tbh. Ye like the team and I ve only really seen them once. Hopefully ye drive on.
Mayo on the other hand would have to keep any opposition to 06 to have a chance of winning.
Your manager in Mayo news made some interesting points.
"
It's not a case that we're not capable, the week before the Connacht final with Roscommon we scored 2-21 in a challenge with the Claremorris seniors, including 2-14 from our forwards. I'm convinced that if they click they can score 14-16 points.
In both games we faced good tight defences, both Sligo and Roscommon have worked very had on that area of the game.
I was at the Munster final and it could have gone either way, there was very little between the sides," he observed. "There were plenty of quality scores but defending was loose with little pressure on the forwards. I don't think any manager would be happy with the concession of that amount of scores."
More room the Mayo forwards this time? & Croke park can sometimes inspire a team/players to new levels.
Quote from: ross4life on August 03, 2012, 12:59:24 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 03, 2012, 12:39:22 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 03, 2012, 12:24:17 AM
Yes Galway after only scoring 0-6 v us they managed to beat the Ulster champions and almost beat the Dubs. Also worth noting 2007,2008,2009 Connacht finals were all poor performances but it didn't stop the Connacht champions from reaching the All Ireland finals.
I wouldn t diss yer chances tbh. Ye like the team and I ve only really seen them once. Hopefully ye drive on.
Mayo on the other hand would have to keep any opposition to 06 to have a chance of winning.
Your manager in Mayo news made some interesting points.
"It's not a case that we're not capable, the week before the Connacht final with Roscommon we scored 2-21 in a challenge with the Claremorris seniors, including 2-14 from our forwards. I'm convinced that if they click they can score 14-16 points.
In both games we faced good tight defences, both Sligo and Roscommon have worked very had on that area of the game.
I was at the Munster final and it could have gone either way, there was very little between the sides," he observed. "There were plenty of quality scores but defending was loose with little pressure on the forwards. I don't think any manager would be happy with the concession of that amount of scores."
More room the Mayo forwards this time? & Croke park can sometimes inspire a team/players to new levels.
Nah. I ve said too much about this already and not going any further. Are the minor games on tv? Away and need to plan ahead. Good luck to the Rossies.
Quote from: moysider on August 03, 2012, 01:15:51 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 03, 2012, 12:59:24 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 03, 2012, 12:39:22 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 03, 2012, 12:24:17 AM
Yes Galway after only scoring 0-6 v us they managed to beat the Ulster champions and almost beat the Dubs. Also worth noting 2007,2008,2009 Connacht finals were all poor performances but it didn't stop the Connacht champions from reaching the All Ireland finals.
I wouldn t diss yer chances tbh. Ye like the team and I ve only really seen them once. Hopefully ye drive on.
Mayo on the other hand would have to keep any opposition to 06 to have a chance of winning.
Your manager in Mayo news made some interesting points.
"It's not a case that we're not capable, the week before the Connacht final with Roscommon we scored 2-21 in a challenge with the Claremorris seniors, including 2-14 from our forwards. I'm convinced that if they click they can score 14-16 points.
In both games we faced good tight defences, both Sligo and Roscommon have worked very had on that area of the game.
I was at the Munster final and it could have gone either way, there was very little between the sides," he observed. "There were plenty of quality scores but defending was loose with little pressure on the forwards. I don't think any manager would be happy with the concession of that amount of scores."
More room the Mayo forwards this time? & Croke park can sometimes inspire a team/players to new levels.
Nah. I ve said too much about this already and not going any further. Are the minor games on tv? Away and need to plan ahead. Good luck to the Rossies.
Only the semis,final are live on TV so you'll have to hope your minors do what your seniors did in the quarter finals last last year e.g beat the defending All Ireland champions against the odds.
Cheers & all the best to both of your teams on Saturday.
Tipperary team for Sunday -
Evan Comerford (Clonmel Commercials)
Kevin Fahey (Clonmel Commercials)
Jimmy Feehan (Killenaule)
Ross Mulcahy (Moyle Rovers)
Colin O'Riordan (J K Bracken's)
Dylan Fitzelle (Cashel King Cormacs) capt.
Bill Maher (Kilsheelan-Kilcash)
Stephen O'Brien (Ballina)
John Martin (Ballyporeen)
Ian Fahey (Clonmel Commercials)
John McGrath (Loughmore-Castleiney)
Greg Henry (Killenaule)
Colman Kennedy (Clonmel Commercials)
Philip Quirke (Moyle Rovers)
Tom Kirwan (Ardfinnan)
Jaysus Onlooker, I didn't think ye were going to catch the train with the Kerry ones. ;) Brilliant if true. :P
Here's the Mayo team.
1. Conor O'Malley - Westport
2. Joe Geraghty - Ballintubber
3. Sean Moran - Kiltimagh
4. Michael Plunkett - Ballintubber
5. Patrick Durcan - Castlebar Mitchels
6. Cian Burke - Ardnaree Sarsfields
7. Kevin Lynch - Mayo Gaels
8. Brian Mullen - Westport
9. Adam Gallagher - Mayo Gaels (Captain)
10. Eoghan Lavin - Kiltimagh
11. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
12. Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
13. James Quinn - Ballinrobe
14. Sean Regan - Ballina Stephenites
15. Shane Hennelly - Shrule/Glencorrib
Best of luck to them. They'll need it, it seems.
Quote from: moysider on August 02, 2012, 11:54:03 PM
We weren't hectic in Connacht ( apart from Leitrim game but a Div 3 club team in Ros would have bet them) but maybe the opposition were good too.
Mayo weren t anyway Rossfan. [/quote]
That's my one fear alright that we bet feck all and that it was a poor standard in Connacht this year.
Hopefully we'll tear into it with abandon now that we've got out of the stifling claustrophic Provincial scene and sure you'd never know.
Kerry team - Gavin Curran; Cathal O Lúing, Gavin Crowley, Patrick O'Connor; Brian Crowley, Jack Barry, Greg Horan; Kieran Murphy, Ronan Murphy; David Foran; Jack Savage, Cillian Fitzgerald; Darragh Carmody, Niall Sheehy, Conor Keane.
Ronan Murphy who was injured for Munster final comes in for the injured Ó’Conchúir, they have plenty of firepower in the like's of Savage,Sheehy,Keane.
Good luck too our minors tomorrow . Give it your all and enjoy the experience.If you still lose , sure there's no shame in losing to this Tipp team by the sounds of it.
Also good luck to our sheep stealing neighbours, hope you go all the way as it would be a perfect reward for your consistency at underage of the last couple of years.
tipp 0.01 mayo 0.01 5 min gone
tipp 0.01 mayo 0.4 11 min
Mayo have almost scored as much in the opening 15mins than they did in the whole Connacht final.
9-1 to Mayo, scored more than the Connacht final now.
there is a strong wind favoring Mayo.0.09 to 1.02
Tipp 1.03 Mayo 0.10 Ht.Good stuff from Mayo but Tipp have the strong wind for the second half
Good display from Mayo however is a 4 point lead enough with that strong wind?
Will be interesting to see if Tipp can come from behind again. They were well down to Kerry as well in the Munster final before coming back to win.
Oh Moy me brothereen...
Good start for Mayo 0.13 to 1.05 and mayo taking the game to Tipp
Tipp down to 14 men.Stephen O Brien sent off
Tipp 1.08 Mayo 0.17 1min to go unbelievable performance from Mayo
Wonderful performance by Mayo. Hopefully we can make it a Connacht double tomorrow!
Fine win for our neighbours probably should have won by more, look's like one or two underrated them. Mayo just like last year have beaten the defending AI champs against the odds.
Sin e.> Tipp 1.08 Mayo 0.19 :) :) :) :) Thats minor football -useless one day and world beaters the next
Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2012, 04:16:56 PM
Wonderful performance by Mayo. Hopefully we can make it a Connacht double tomorrow!
Yeah, that's it. Hope it's the first leg of the double.
Mighty fine show alright.
Suas ar mo rothar liom anois. Twenty mins to Clonliffe Rd.
Good luck tomorrow Syf.
Unreal win for Mayo well done to them. Connacht underage football continues to impress.
Quote from: maigheo on August 04, 2012, 04:09:46 PM
Tipp 1.08 Mayo 0.17 1min to go unbelievable performance from Mayo
Unbelievable is right ;D ;D ;D
Good job I didn t say what I really thought ;D
Quote from: moysider on August 04, 2012, 04:22:48 PM
Quote from: maigheo on August 04, 2012, 04:09:46 PM
Tipp 1.08 Mayo 0.17 1min to go unbelievable performance from Mayo
Unbelievable is right ;D ;D ;D
Good job I didn t say what I really thought ;D
Not as bad as we thought, Well done to the minors!
That result will throw the cat among the pigeons alright.
Mind you if ye had been able to shoot straight in the Connacht Final we might not be enjoying our double under age success.
Anyway let's hope we do the business tomorrow .
just wondering what will the match ups for the all ireland semifinals be should kerry prevail tomorrow.Excellent win for Mayo today and good luck to the Rossies tomorrow.
I guess we become the Munster champions now for the purposes of the semi-final pairings, which would put us against the winners of Tyrone v Meath. As we lost the Connacht Final we're probably looking at the minors playing their semi on the day of the semi-final that the seniors aren't playing in unfortunately.
Hope Ross do the business tomorrow. 2 Connaught teams in the minor semi's would not be a bad return. 8)
Quote from: maigheo on August 04, 2012, 11:26:43 PM
just wondering what will the match ups for the all ireland semifinals be should kerry prevail tomorrow.Excellent win for Mayo today and good luck to the Rossies tomorrow.
Minor semi finals were set with the senior ones, Connacht v Leinster,Munster v Ulster so Mayo will have too pay double the price.
ros 0.03 kerry 0.03 .17 min gone. Ros dominant and have missed a peno and a few other goal chances
The marvellous adventure that was the Tipperary Minor Footballers came to an end in Croke Park yesterday. In the last 2 years Tipperary enjoyed an unbelievable run by winning an All Ireland title and 2 back to back Munster titles. These young lads won 9 Championship matches in a row, beating Kerry 3 times and Cork twice. Never has one of the 4 weaker Munster counties have had anything like that success over the big 2. They also gave us Tipp followers that never to be forgotten All Ireland Final win over Dublin last September. In each of the 3 wins over Kerry, Tipp were behind at half time (by 10 points, 2 points and 5 points). They were also 5 points behind Dublin in the All Ireland Final. Yesterday, Mayo led by 9 points to 1 after 20 minutes. At half time the lead was down to 4 points - 10 points to 1-3. The stage appeared to be set for another trade mark second half comeback. Alas, it was not to be. Yesterday was Mayo's day and the nearest Tipp got to them was 3 points (0-13 to 1-7). In the last 10 minutes Mayo pulled away for a well deserved win. Mayo were excellent and no one will issue a word of criticism to any Tipp player. What they achieved was exceptional. They looked flat yesterday and indeed not many teams have won 9 Championship matches in a row. Tipp were 2/7 favourites yesterday, but I for one, expected a very close game that I thought Tipp would win. Maybe Tipp people were distracted by thoughts of a semi final with Tyrone or an All Ireland repeat with Dublin or even playing Kerry for the 3rd time in the Championship, but take nothing from Mayo. We were told that none of their forwards had scored from play in the Connacht final. Yesterday the scored 10 points in the first half without shooting a single wide. Best of luck to them as they have to be serious All Ireland contenders, but they have 2 big hurdles in front of them. I will watch with interest. :( :(
Kerry goal with the final kick of the half gives them 3pt lead, we are kicking it away penalty missed two other goal chances and double the amount of wides
good post Onlooker and I suspect Tipp may have been somewhat complacent as they hammered Mayo in a challenge earlier in the year.Still a great run by Tipp and I hope a lot of those footballers graduate to the senior team and are able to challenge Cork and Kerry in the years to come
tied up in Croke Park 1.05 to 0.08
Quote from: maigheo on August 05, 2012, 12:47:10 PM
good post Onlooker and I suspect Tipp may have been somewhat complacent as they hammered Mayo in a challenge earlier in the year.Still a great run by Tipp and I hope a lot of those footballers graduate to the senior team and are able to challenge Cork and Kerry in the years to come
If that was the case, it was very poor preparation so I am not sure they would have been caught out so badly. Mayo don't do very poor minor teams (although plenty were writing this crop off). We have been in two finals and a semi in the past 4 years so we have the pedigree at this level.
Ros 0.10 Kerry 1.09 2 min to go
ros 0,11 kerry 1.09 sin e. ros miss a chance with the last kick
Best team lost we kicked it away, heartbreaking
Bad luck Roscommon. Sounds like one that got away.
Quote from: ross4life on August 05, 2012, 01:18:50 PM
Best team lost we kicked it away, heartbreaking
Sounds like Mayo in the Connacht final. Pity, would have been nice to get an All-Connacht match in Croker.
Two back door teams advance. Kerry lucky but Ros could not contain Niall Sheehy and Conor Keane in the full forward line. Can't see Kerry beating a powerful Dublin side but with minors anything can happen.
Two big surprises in the Connacht/Munster minor matches. You really never can tell with minors, it can be just how it turns out on the day. Dublin will be hard beaten but this weekends results so far show that nothing is guaranteed at this level. Hard luck Roscommon.
Ouch. An all-time one that got away. The team showed the heart of true champions to battle back from an almost impossible position of three points down with three total minutes left on the clock.
Enda's open screw kick that would have sent the game to extra-time was the story of the entire season for us; fantastic attacking play undone by novice shooting.
Chin up lads, everyone on that minor team can be part of some serious underage teams next year. The fact our targets have extended beyond Connacht titles speaks to the development of the game in the county.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 05, 2012, 01:23:31 PM
Quote from: ross4life on August 05, 2012, 01:18:50 PM
Best team lost we kicked it away, heartbreaking
Sounds like Mayo in the Connacht final. Pity, would have been nice to get an All-Connacht match in Croker.
Not really Mayo were only on top for the last 15mins. We should have won comfortably but you knew early on it wasn't going to be our day.
Anyways I'd like to thank all the players and management on another successful year hopefully some of these players can make the step up U21 football & then senior level.
Tyrone 0-00 Meath 1-01
5 minutes played in Newry
Monaghan no match for Dublin, Tyrone flying the flag for Ulster level at the moment.
Score in Meath v Tyrone?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 05, 2012, 10:20:22 PM
Score in Meath v Tyrone?
Tyrone 1-14 Meath 2-12, Meath got a late goal.
At least we're in good company with Tipp and Tyrone. Only one provincial champion survived the QFs, an almost total reverse of senior level. The minor grade can be heart-breaking but it makes for some absolutely enthralling games.
Congrats to Kerry and good luck to Mayo, hopefully ye can make it a double AI final now.
The fact that Kerry having lost 2 games find themselves in an AISF and Cavan (and a multitude of other teams) find their year over early in June doesn't seem quite right. Similarly unfair is the fact that Cavan's reward for winning Ulster last year was a trip to Longford to take on Galway while Armagh got the big day out in Croker against Roscommon.
Quote from: Minder on August 05, 2012, 10:20:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 05, 2012, 10:20:22 PM
Score in Meath v Tyrone?
Tyrone 1-14 Meath 2-12, Meath got a late goal.
;D That's good, don't mention that we led the whole way through the game.
Quote from: Ard-Rí on August 06, 2012, 12:42:31 AM
Quote from: Minder on August 05, 2012, 10:20:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 05, 2012, 10:20:22 PM
Score in Meath v Tyrone?
Tyrone 1-14 Meath 2-12, Meath got a late goal.
;D That's good, don't mention that we led the whole way through the game.
Meath didn't.
I think the match was level 5 or 6 times. Meath led for a good chunk of the second half before Tyrone took the lead with about 2 minutes left.
Meath nabbed a goal on the stroke of 60 minutes the big full forward obviously taking tips from Joe Sheridan somehow managed to bundle it over the line.
Tyrone could have had a goal a minute later but McGahan was ankle tapped by the last Meath defender just outside the box. Royals hung on.
Tyrone beat themselves. Kicked too many wide including 3 handy frees and dropped a few short.
Quote from: ONeill on August 06, 2012, 01:16:53 AM
Meath didn't.
More or less the whole second half anyway, right up until the last 2 minutes.
So it's Mayo V Meath and Dublin V Kerry. Kerry are skill full but far too small to to come any where near Dublin. Meath and Mayo will be close but put the house on The Dubs.
So said everyone last year. If that and this weekend teaches us anything it's that there's is no sure thing at minor level.
Agree about the lack of consistency, however, the losing provincial finalists in Ulster and Connaught do get a second chance like the other provinces. Ross and Tyrone camps must be sick when they see Kerry in the semi final line up.
Kounty your right about Kerry they should have been out after they were defeated by Tipperary earlier in the Munster Championship this gives Munster Counties an advantage and highlights a very clear flaw in the Minor Championship given that Roscommon and Tyrone hae lost once yet they are out. The only team who are unbeaten left are Dublin and having saw a bit of their game against Monaghan I think the Dubs will win the AI very fast, great support play, quick counter attacks and some super scores. I was very disappointed with Tyrone I thought we were contenders although last nights game highlighted their weakness poor midfield and poor on breaks. We also kicked a lot of scoreable chances wide. The last couple of minutes epitomise how much lads at Minor have to learn. We somehow managed to get back in front by a point with time almost up and should have been thinking are we ready for the Meath kickout?? instead Meath took a quick kickout to an unmarked player worked the ball up the field and which ended up in the Tyrone net. Tyrone then seconds later had a goal chance to win McGahan went alone ignoring Bradley who was in an odds on position to score. All in all too on too many occasions Tyrone players failed to support players and gifted possession to Meath who duly punished. This is Tyrones first Defeat and a difficult one to take although hopefully they will learn from it and make progress in u21s. Fancy a Meath Dublin AI Final.
Tipperary who won the Munster Championsip were knocked out in the Quarter final stage on Saturday. Their first defeat.
Kerry lose 2 games against Tipp in Munster and are now in the semi's. ffs. what advantage is winning a provincial championship...
U-21 championship is the best run championship one defeat your out no second or third chances and it's played off in a few months.
The structure of the minor championship has to be looked at Tyrone,Tipp and ourselves out after one defeat indeed others like Armagh,Galway also out after a defeat.
Dublin are the team to beat the only unbeaten team left but no doubt Kerry,Mayo,Meath will fancy their chances.
We fairly fckd this one up >:(
Had enough chances in the first quarter to have the game won and instead found ourselves 3 points down going into injury time.
No point picking on young lads individually but there were a few very weak links on that team and some of our better players didn't do as well as we'd expect.
Also we didn't seem to improve as the year went on - unlike Mayowr for instance - and the failings we showed against Galway in the scoring stakes and some of the ineptitude we showed in the Connacht final were both in evidence.
Dublin look the team of all talents and will now be roaring favourites to do what they failed to do last year.
However the old cliche "You never know with Minors" could still upset a few applecarts like Mayowr and Meath did over the weekend.
Wouldn't say there was many weak links at all. The backs did t their jobs brilliantly this year and Corcoran and Harney are classy footballers, even if Corcoran's lack of match fitness meant his form was patchy. The forwards clearly had plenty of skill and vision but basic scoring errors undo all that. A fine minor team that was capable of more but back-to-back minor leagues and Connacht titles is still a worthy achievement. They did us proud.
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2012, 01:45:36 PM
Wouldn't say there was many weak links at all. The backs did t their jobs brilliantly this year and Corcoran and Harney are classy footballers, even if Corcoran's lack of match fitness meant his form was patchy. The forwards clearly had plenty of skill and vision but basic scoring errors undo all that. A fine minor team that was capable of more but back-to-back minor leagues and Connacht titles is still a worthy achievement. They did us proud.
There were at least 4 weak links which was apparent to everyone but the management - and you I suppose ::)
The forwards had clearly not enough skill as we scored only 9 points in 60 minutes until two injury time frees by a midfielder brought us up to 11. Not sure where you get the vision thing but then again you're notorious for hyperbole and OTT stuff ;D
Also we had only one real scoring forward in the Connacht Final.
A decent minor team -we'd have settled for one as good between 1993 and 2005 - and back to back Connacht Leagues and Championships are not to be sneezed at.
However we need to be setting our sights towards the higher National lever nowadays , a level we've come up short in since 06.
That's 4 out of 5 Quarter Finals lost since 06 and no amount of Syferusness will change that damning fact.
A lot of crying on this thread.
Quote from: kounty on August 06, 2012, 01:06:53 PM
my point is the structure needs to be changed so that all teams get an equal chance.kerry lose first round and get t a back door where as good teams like galway,armagh,derry dont.it gives munster and leinster teams an advantage which is just wrong.i know if the ulster and connacht teams get to finals and dont win they get another chance.but the munster and leinster teams like say longford can lose their opening games and get a chance to play again were as if these happens to say armagh or a much stronger team they are gone history after training all year hard. its just not fair really. changes need to be made
Don't be blaming Kerry, or Munster or Longford or Leinster. Connacht and Ulster could have an early back door round if they want. They provincial councils got input from their own counties and they decided not to have an early round back door. Its not unfair, its not wrong, its exactly the way each provincial council want it!
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 06, 2012, 02:27:25 PM
Tipperary who won the Munster Championsip were knocked out in the Quarter final stage on Saturday. Their first defeat.
Kerry lose 2 games against Tipp in Munster and are now in the semi's. ffs. what advantage is winning a provincial championship...
Tipp have another trophy in the cabinet, and all their players have another Munster winners medal. That's what they get from winning the Munster final, and delighted with it they are, I'm sure.
Every province can put two counties forward into the All Ireland Quarter-Finals. Every county had the opportunity to give input into the best format, and this was what was arrived at. Everybody knew the score at the start of the championship.
Tipp lost their All Ireland quarter-final - they deserve to be out.
Kerry won their All Ireland quarter-final - they deserve their place in the All Ireland semi-final.
Absolutely nothing unfair about any of it. No need for any of the crying!!
Quote from: Hound on August 07, 2012, 02:14:23 PM
Every province can put two counties forward into the All Ireland Quarter-Finals. Every county had the opportunity to give input into the best format, and this was what was arrived at. Everybody knew the score at the start of the championship.
Tipp lost their All Ireland quarter-final - they deserve to be out.
Kerry won their All Ireland quarter-final - they deserve their place in the All Ireland semi-final.
Absolutely nothing unfair about any of it. No need for any of the crying!!
+1.
Connacht had two or 3 different formats around 07 to 09 but they decided to go back to the one shot k.o system. I presume a majority of the delegates from the 5 Counties voted for that reversion.
One gripe I have with the Munster and Leinster systems is you have to lose in round 1 to get back again. Tough luck if you win Rd 1 and lose in Rd 2.
That to me is illogical .
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Tipp lost their All Ireland quarter-final - they deserve to be out.
Kerry won their All Ireland quarter-final - they deserve their place in the All Ireland semi-final.
Tipp lost their quarter final by 8 points and can little complaints Kerry on the other hand were fortunate to win their quarter final.
The punters can only see one winner now.
Dublin 4/9
Mayo 4/1
Kerry 6/1
Meath 7/1
Dublin 1/6 Kerry 5/1
Mayo 4/6 Meath 6/4
The punters could only see one winner last year as well.
Quote from: kounty on August 08, 2012, 01:53:33 PM
after seeing the tyrone game i think they were very much physically lacking against a big strong meath side in a tight pitch like newry.sean molloy perhaps would have made a difference with his physical presence. i think if the game were in croke park tyrone would have won handy enough big pitch would have suited them more id say.well done to meath bouncing back so strongly after a very bad defeat to dublin.just goes to show when you fall pick yourself back up again until you get your day
If you saw the full game you would have seen that Tyrone threw the game away although had they won it would have been tough luck on Meath. Tyrone with a minute to go took the lead by a point although from the resulting kick out they failed to pick the Meath backs up allowing them to take a quick kick out they also failed (I'll get nailled on this point) to cynically foul Meath out of scoring range before the goal allowing Meath to work a goal chance. This was defensive niavety at its best. They then won the kickout and worked a goal chance and had McGahan passed to Bradley it would have been amazingly a two point win for Tyrone instead he ran was fouled as he shot for goal and we had a free. Overall I was very disappointed with Tyrone over the hour their teamwork, support play and passing at times left a lot to be desired. Meath will give any team a run for their money and I wouldn't be shocked if its a Meath Dublin Final. Defensively and on break ball Tyrone were abysmal the Meath goal on 15 seconds from the throw in was shocking. That said there is ability in that minor side although if they are to progress at u21 a lot of them will need to take a hard look at themselves.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 06, 2012, 04:35:05 PM
U-21 championship is the best worst run championship one defeat your out no second or third chances and it's played off in a few months.
There fixed that for you
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 12, 2012, 11:18:30 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 06, 2012, 04:35:05 PM
U-21 championship is the best worst run championship one defeat your out no second or third chances and it's played off in a few months.
There fixed that for you
Without a shadow of a doubt you're wrong.
So, Mayo v Meath. Hard to tell, (always is at minor) what Mayo team will turn up. I hope they don't fall flat after doing such a fine job the last day against Tipp. If the wasteful with possession team turns up it's curtains for our lads I reckon. Hopefully they will give it their best shot. Don't know much about Meath minors, but they're still in the competition. Did Dublin beat them well in the Leinster final or was it close?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 20, 2012, 11:06:13 PM
So, Mayo v Meath. Hard to tell, (always is at minor) what Mayo team will turn up. I hope they don't fall flat after doing such a fine job the last day against Tipp. If the wasteful with possession team turns up it's curtains for our lads I reckon. Hopefully they will give it their best shot. Don't know much about Meath minors, but they're still in the competition. Did Dublin beat them well in the Leinster final or was it close?
Dublin beat Meath by 12pts in Leinster final their win over Tyrone was almost as much of a shock as Mayo's v Tipp.
Mayo have fine record of reaching minor All Ireland finals & i'd fancy them to reach another one this year.
I'll be gently sobbing my way through the Dublin-Kerry match. Whatever way it goes it can only add to our sense of an opportunity lost - a Dublin hammering and we'll wonder how we'd have matched up with the Dubs, a good Kerry performance, not even a win, would give the horrible impression that we didn't just let an AI semi-final place slip through our hands, but a very real shot at the All-Ireland itself.
Mayo-Dublin final for me, anyways.
Far be it from me as a Mayoman to be giving advice to our neighbours but I wonder if Roscommon will tweak their approach to minor after the last two years? Although as someone pointed out, 2 Connacht leagues and 2 Connacht championships is a very good return, there is the feeling abroad that they have not fulfilled their potential.
Last year they looked different class to Mayo and Galway but were not totally convincing against Armagh before falling to Tipperary. This year has followed a similar trend where they do not seem to have improved from winning in Connacht.
Maybe Roscommon need to look at timing their efforts to peak later and therefore risk being less competitive in earlier rounds to perhaps ensure better results at the business end of the year. It's very hard to keep young lads at the top of their form for months on end.
Problem is you can't be less competitive in earlier rounds as you then may very well not make the All Ireland stage.
I suspect our problem is that we keep doing the same things after winning Connacht as we did before and it doesn't help us in the All Irl stages.
The Mayowr manager obviously learned from the CF defeat while we quite possibly believed we were doing everything right and took no lessons from our less than convincing Connacht performances.
Winning often covers up cracks but poor team selection v Kerry this year didn't help , plus of course you can't legislate for a team missing 3-3 or so in the first 10 minutes.
Quote from: Chimley on August 21, 2012, 10:02:29 AM
Far be it from me as a Mayoman to be giving advice to our neighbours but I wonder if Roscommon will tweak their approach to minor after the last two years? Although as someone pointed out, 2 Connacht leagues and 2 Connacht championships is a very good return, there is the feeling abroad that they have not fulfilled their potential.
Last year they looked different class to Mayo and Galway but were not totally convincing against Armagh before falling to Tipperary. This year has followed a similar trend where they do not seem to have improved from winning in Connacht.
Maybe Roscommon need to look at timing their efforts to peak later and therefore risk being less competitive in earlier rounds to perhaps ensure better results at the business end of the year. It's very hard to keep young lads at the top of their form for months on end.
I would agree with a lot of that. This year Tipperary played Kerry in the 1st Round in April in Tralee and won by 7 points. In May Tipp played Cork in Pairc Ui Chaoimh in the Munster Semi Final (Knock out game - winners into Munster Final and All Ireland Quarter Final, losers' season over). After the Leaving Cert, we played Kerry again in the Munster Final and won by 3 points. After peaking for those 3 big games, Tipp for whatever reason were way below their best against Mayo. who were very impressive and won by 8 points. However, as Rossfan says if you don't win the early rounds (particularly the semi final) you won't be in the Provincial Final or All Ireland series. A big job for management, particularly depending on the draw.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 20, 2012, 11:06:13 PM
So, Mayo v Meath. Hard to tell, (always is at minor) what Mayo team will turn up. I hope they don't fall flat after doing such a fine job the last day against Tipp. If the wasteful with possession team turns up it's curtains for our lads I reckon. Hopefully they will give it their best shot. Don't know much about Meath minors, but they're still in the competition. Did Dublin beat them well in the Leinster final or was it close?
Maybe I shouldn t say this...... but, but ........ this Mayo minor team might be like a can of worms opened up.
After the Connacht final defeat they looked annoyed rather than the usual gutted. There are some very good players on that team, ( maybe more than on the recent teams that reached the AI finals), and I suspect they ( the players) went for broke against Tipp knowing there was nothing to lose and the previous was crap. If management give these players a bit of leash they will express themselves. There are 4/5 senior players in that Mayo minor team regardless how they do next game. That is a huge return.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 21, 2012, 11:14:27 AM
Problem is you can't be less competitive in earlier rounds as you then may very well not make the All Ireland stage.
I suspect our problem is that we keep doing the same things after winning Connacht as we did before and it doesn't help us in the All Irl stages.
The Mayowr manager obviously learned from the CF defeat while we quite possibly believed we were doing everything right and took no lessons from our less than convincing Connacht performances.
Winning often covers up cracks but poor team selection v Kerry this year didn't help , plus of course you can't legislate for a team missing 3-3 or so in the first 10 minutes.
I doubt that. We did the same v Ros as we did v Sligo. And the selection v Tipp was virtually the same.
So what did the management do different? For what it s worth I believe the players realised that they were playing muck until now, better than the shite they played v Sligo and Ros and lowered the blade.
Quote from: moysider on August 22, 2012, 12:25:06 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 21, 2012, 11:14:27 AM
Problem is you can't be less competitive in earlier rounds as you then may very well not make the All Ireland stage.
I suspect our problem is that we keep doing the same things after winning Connacht as we did before and it doesn't help us in the All Irl stages.
The Mayowr manager obviously learned from the CF defeat while we quite possibly believed we were doing everything right and took no lessons from our less than convincing Connacht performances.
Winning often covers up cracks but poor team selection v Kerry this year didn't help , plus of course you can't legislate for a team missing 3-3 or so in the first 10 minutes.
I doubt that. We did the same v Ros as we did v Sligo. And the selection v Tipp was virtually the same.
So what did the management do different? For what it s worth I believe the players realised that they were playing muck until now, better than the shite they played v Sligo and Ros and lowered the blade.
Played shite our weren't allowed the freedom they got v Tipp? looks like your manager was spot on about having more room to express themselves once out of Connacht. Going back on your previous post that's a hell of statement have Mayo ever got that many senior players out of one minor team? remember the pick you have many never get a look in.
Tony Duffy ,the mayo manager made the point in the week before the Tipp game thatconnacht teams were much better defensively than teams from other provinces.He also said that he could not believe the space afforded to the Tipp and Kerry forwards in the Munster final and more or less said that the Tipp forwards would have it much tougher v Mayo which turned out to be the case. kevin Lynch is a big doubt for the game v Meath with a thumb injury which is a shame as he has been one of Mayos better players.I would assume Michael Plunkett would move out to no. 7 if Lynch does not make it.Just wondering Moysider who are the 4 or 5 minors that you think will make seniors? I would guess Durcan, Burke ,Lynch and Gallagher and maybe O Connor.
Quote from: ross4life on August 22, 2012, 12:57:43 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 22, 2012, 12:25:06 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 21, 2012, 11:14:27 AM
Problem is you can't be less competitive in earlier rounds as you then may very well not make the All Ireland stage.
I suspect our problem is that we keep doing the same things after winning Connacht as we did before and it doesn't help us in the All Irl stages.
The Mayowr manager obviously learned from the CF defeat while we quite possibly believed we were doing everything right and took no lessons from our less than convincing Connacht performances.
Winning often covers up cracks but poor team selection v Kerry this year didn't help , plus of course you can't legislate for a team missing 3-3 or so in the first 10 minutes.
I doubt that. We did the same v Ros as we did v Sligo. And the selection v Tipp was virtually the same.
So what did the management do different? For what it s worth I believe the players realised that they were playing muck until now, better than the shite they played v Sligo and Ros and lowered the blade.
Played shite our weren't allowed the freedom they got v Tipp? looks like your manager was spot on about having more room to express themselves once out of Connacht. Going back on your previous post that's a hell of statement have Mayo ever got that many senior players out of one minor team? remember the pick you have many never get a look in.
From 2005 squad we got Cafferkey, Barrett, Cunniffe, Seamus O'Shea, Parsons, Campbell and should have had Hanley as well.
who do people think will win tomorrow between mayo and meath? i hope meath do but that mayo team are very good. if we play like we did against tyrone we might just about beat mayo but it depends how the meath minors react to playing in croke park again, hopefully this time theres no stage fright.
It was no stage fright the last time. You just got beaten by a much better team!
yeah i agree dublin were the better team, i think they are the best team left and whether meath or mayo get to the final id still expect dublin to win, but meath are a better team than they showed that day in croke park. i think they showed against tyrone that they are a good team so hopefully they can play like that again tomorrow.
Have to fancy Mayo. Apart from upfront they were solid before the Tipp game and they showed if they're given space they can rack up scores. Even Tyronies seemed to be a tad down in their minors this year so I really can't judge what Meath's win over them really means. I don't expect a rout but Mayo are certainly set up to be able to win a pitched battle.
I'd second the idea that defenses weren't as tight outside Connacht - we may have lost to Kerry but it wasn't for lack of clear-cut chances or space inside.
The Galway team must be sick to their boots watching all this too, losing in extra-time in their first game and seeing the Connacht losers with a very serious shot at a place the AI final. Hopefully the standard remains high all-round in the province next season, it'll benefit everyone in the end.
The Galway team must be sick to their boots watching all this too, losing in extra-time in their first game and seeing the Connacht losers with a very serious shot at a place the AI final. Hopefully the standard remains high all-round in the province next season, it'll benefit everyone in the end.
it certainly has been high in Connacht the last 7/8 years or so, which is mighty and can only benefit the county senior teams now and in the future. Mayo will have probably five/six of the 2006 u-21 team starting the next day, Caff, Higgans, Boyle, BM, Conroy, maybe Varley and SOS too. Its great to see them come through like that and Mayo start a new strategic plan with this minor team with an academy in the autumn to keep them together from 18-21, some good men involved too, can see it been a success .
If i were a Galway man though i'd be more interested in trying to get the root of the problem, they have some of the finest footballers in the country at their disposal, they have had a couple of 21 teams and minor outfits but they are failing miserably at senior level , imo they are not adopting to the modern running game, traditional style is finished unfortunately.
Your own boys have been a revelation in Connacht the last few years too and winning it out in 06 at minor level, i reckon ye would of seen the rewards at senior level quicker if O Donnell had stayed on for a while but i can still see some competitive battles out west over the next 3/4 years between the three, plus there will be an almighty feel good factor with Mayo bringing Sam home this September. :)
Mayo ahead, but Meath well in it. Meath have spurned 2/3 clear goal chances at least.
Half time Mayo well in control 1-7 to 0-6
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 26, 2012, 02:01:58 PM
Half time Mayo well in control 1-7 to 0-6
Jesus, I wouldn't say that. If Meath could take their chances they'd be well ahead.
If they stay as wasteful though, Mayo should hold out.
If Meath could finish they could have had 3 goals by now. Not much composure in front of goal from them so far.
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 26, 2012, 02:01:58 PM
Half time Mayo well in control 1-7 to 0-6
Can t agree. Don t know how we re ahead at all. Meath on top in most areas with the wind to come. They ripped us apart at times.
We need to get into it more in the second and keep the ball better.
Saying that Mayo should be able to up the intensity.
Two big Mayo players lost in that clash of heads. Nasty.
Meath created three goal chances early on however it took them almost 20 minutes to get off the mark and any team that do that will struggle to win.
This will be a close one yet, That goal will come for Meath.
v poor up front since the 2 had to go off. looks like permanent replacements.
f**k it.
Meath owning the ball but jaysus their finishing has been cat.
ref is a complete tool. Acting like a robot
Quote from: joemamas on August 26, 2012, 02:38:53 PM
ref is a complete tool. Acting like a robot
What you on about?
Foot block me hole! :o :o
Thought picked it off the ground for the goal but fair play Meath!
Another hiding from the young Dubs awaits.
Well done to Meath, the better team. Made hard work of beating an out of sorts Mayo. Needed a dubious Penalty to turn the game. Was not a foot block!
Quote from: joemamas on August 26, 2012, 02:38:53 PM
ref is a complete tool. Acting like a robot
two shocking decisions very costly to Mayo. Should have been a free to mayo on the side line and never a foot block.
Mayo left that one behind them however going 27mins without scoring and a dodgy penalty was the difference. Full time Meath 2-10 Mayo 1-11
asshole of referee,
hasn t a clue,
I can't see anything wrong with a foot block if someone sticks out a leg to save GK style, in fact, that penalty wasnt a foot block. Its only a foot block if someone dives at another players leg with the leg.
Mayo not scoring for a 27 minute period in the second half was galling. They started the half by putting themselves in an excellent position and then it completely unraveled.
The Lavin head-clash that took two of their forwards out of the game removed any semblance of shape from their attacking play and they reverted back to the crazy shot-taking tendancies that lost them the Connacht final. Meath were incredibly wasteful too, the penalty was fortuitous in the awarding and the taking, and didn't show anything that will worry Dublin.
With all due respect to both Kerry and Meath, it would be the upset of the decade were Dublin not to win the All-Ireland now.
The lads on the sunday game said the referee and all in favour of Meath as well. At times it seemed as if Meath didn't have to follow the rules at all.
Very dissappointing to leave that game behind. The ref was dodgy for the 2 Meath goals ( the penalty wasn't a footblock and the quick free for the second should've have been called back) but while those decisions turned the game at that point I think overall the luck evened itself out over the game. We got fairly cleaned out at midfield for most of the game and Meath could have had three or four goals in the first half. I thought both sets of forwards had the better of their opposing backs but looking at it overall Meath were the better team and we were lucky not to have conceeded more goals!
If Meath could tightened up the backs for the next day from midfield on the have some fine players and finals are their to be won so good luck to them, I hope they go and win it now. As was pointed out above , no score for 27 mins in any half and you'll struggle to win any game let alone an All Ireland semi final. Unfortunately as was feared the Tipp game was a one off and the Connacht semi final and final was truer reflection on this team so fair play to them for going this far, they did their best and that's all we can ask from our county men.
It's very amusing, whenever Meath win it's always called back to some dubious refereeing decision, never a word about the heart and spirit needed to comeback from such a deficit. In fairness, I couldn't believe how far we were behind relative to our dominance, and I always felt we were going to get a goal at some point and be in with a right shout for it. Even so, Mayo surprised me by slacking off so much in the second half, undoubtedly a very good team but showed a lack of experience not closing the game out. Referee was shocking, but to both sides. I've seen foot blocks like that given more often that not ... probably not technically a foot block, but they're given all the same.
We never bothered playing at all against the Dubs in the Leinster Final, so with a small bit of work in the backs we can give them (or Kerry) a right run for their money.
Couldn't give two hoots about loving or loathing Meath and I certainly wouldn't shy away from criticising Mayo. Facts are both teams were wasteful and Meath have shown nothing to suggest they will come close to reversing the Leinster final.
Strange game Meath should have scored a few goals in the opening mins then Mayo steadied the ship to lead by 4 at HT our neighbours made a strong start to the 2nd half then Meath took over but it looked like Mayo would hold on until the dubious penalty.
Well done to Meath for reaching the All Ireland final not many would have predicted that after the Leinster final.
Quote from: Ard-Rí on August 26, 2012, 04:24:14 PM
It's very amusing, whenever Meath win it's always called back to some dubious refereeing decision, never a word about the heart and spirit needed to comeback from such a deficit. In fairness, I couldn't believe how far we were behind relative to our dominance, and I always felt we were going to get a goal at some point and be in with a right shout for it. Even so, Mayo surprised me by slacking off so much in the second half, undoubtedly a very good team but showed a lack of experience not closing the game out. Referee was shocking, but to both sides. I've seen foot blocks like that given more often that not ... probably not technically a foot block, but they're given all the same.
We never bothered playing at all against the Dubs in the Leinster Final, so with a small bit of work in the backs we can give them (or Kerry) a right run for their money.
In fairness most of the posters here acknowledged that Meath were that better team and fully deserved their win with no quibs. That still does not hide the dodgy decisions of the referee (which had nothing to do with Meath). The decisions were dubious, there can be no quibs about it also.
So chill out there was no disrespect ment to a game Meath side, just a comment on the referee. Best of luck in the final.
I wasn't just thinking of the posters here FtB, there are also the three amigos in their ivory tower to be considered. The amount of people who'll just repeat what Spillane, Brolly & O'Rourke say greatly outnumbers those who take the game on its own merits. I accept that the referee was terrible, in fact, I said so in the first half when he was flashing yellows for fair tackles and stopping the play every 10 seconds. If I were a Mayo man, it wouldn't be the penalty decision that I'd be thinking of (these things are 50/50 when you get near the goals) but the blatant push out the field where Meath somehow got a sideline ball off it, goal resultant.
Meath were very lucky today and made very hard workof converting their possession into scores.
But, if it is a Dublin Meath final, I cannot see them capitulating the way they did before. They may well lose but it wont be the cakewalk it was on Leinster Final day.
jesus its mostly the mayo people who are saying we deserved to win it and everyone else just talking about the referees decisions ??? yeah they were bad calls but things like that happen in every game. and people talking about the sideline ball that was meant to be a free, well yeah it should have been but yous might want to go and look at it again because mayo actually caught it and then they kicked it up the field and gave it to a meath player so we didnt directly get the goal from that so i actually thought it was unfair for rte commentators to make a big deal about that, the mayo manager was right beside where it happened and even he didnt make a big deal out of it. the same goes for the other goal if it was that bad of a decision the mayo players would have been giving out and they weren't really.
Quote from: royals12 on August 26, 2012, 08:38:51 PM
jesus its mostly the mayo people who are saying we deserved to win it and everyone else just talking about the referees decisions ??? yeah they were bad calls but things like that happen in every game. and people talking about the sideline ball that was meant to be a free, well yeah it should have been but yous might want to go and look at it again because mayo actually caught it and then they kicked it up the field and gave it to a meath player so we didnt directly get the goal from that so i actually thought it was unfair for rte commentators to make a big deal about that, the mayo manager was right beside where it happened and even he didnt make a big deal out of it. the same goes for the other goal if it was that bad of a decision the mayo players would have been giving out and they weren't really.
Players and Management are not there to referee the game. The Penalty was a 'Big' Call and
was the reason Meath won. Meath were good enough for their win, but needed that bit of luck to get over the line.
i never said the penalty wasnt a big decision? i said that the sideline ball wasnt because alot of people were giving out about that, that it should have been a free but it didnt actually have a big effect on the goal we got.
Tart it up anyway you want, Meath would not of won the game without them wrong decisions from that absolute billlox of a referee.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 26, 2012, 07:50:14 PM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on August 26, 2012, 04:24:14 PM
It's very amusing, whenever Meath win it's always called back to some dubious refereeing decision, never a word about the heart and spirit needed to comeback from such a deficit. In fairness, I couldn't believe how far we were behind relative to our dominance, and I always felt we were going to get a goal at some point and be in with a right shout for it. Even so, Mayo surprised me by slacking off so much in the second half, undoubtedly a very good team but showed a lack of experience not closing the game out. Referee was shocking, but to both sides. I've seen foot blocks like that given more often that not ... probably not technically a foot block, but they're given all the same.
We never bothered playing at all against the Dubs in the Leinster Final, so with a small bit of work in the backs we can give them (or Kerry) a right run for their money.
In fairness most of the posters here acknowledged that Meath were that better team and fully deserved their win with no quibs. That still does not hide the dodgy decisions of the referee (which had nothing to do with Meath). The decisions were dubious, there can be no quibs about it also.
So chill out there was no disrespect ment to a game Meath side, just a comment on the referee. Best of luck in the final.
Mayo not scoring for a 28 minute period of the 2nd half is being quoted by all Mayo supporters it seems as the reason we lost, i.e.: if you don't score for such a lengthy period then you don't deserve to win and no other factor is relevant.
I think this is complete bollox talk.
Bottom line as far as i am concerned in this match is that Mayo were 3 points up with a few minutes to go. It required the intervention of the ref to win the game for Meath
I already have myself partly conditioned to expect a few similar mind-numbing decisions in favour of the Dubs next week given who the ref is.
Can anybody say what is a foot-block , that ball was blocked by the Mayo players leg, penalty given. Fast forward to the senior game in the lead up to Donegal's 12th point. The Donegal player's shot on goal was stopped by the outstretched foot of the Cork goalkeeper, Nothing given even though both stops were similar .No 2 refs have the same view on this foul. The seemingly unwritten view of all refs is that a goalie will get away with foot blocks while a back is punished
Quote from: The Insider on August 26, 2012, 10:53:47 PM
Can anybody say what is a foot-block , that ball was blocked by the Mayo players leg, penalty given. Fast forward to the senior game in the lead up to Donegal's 12th point. The Donegal player's shot on goal was stopped by the outstretched foot of the Cork goalkeeper, Nothing given even though both stops were similar .No 2 refs have the same view on this foul. The seemingly unwritten view of all refs is that a goalie will get away with foot blocks while a back is punished
I think the Quirke toed the ball away before the Donegal player got his boot to it so that can't be classed as a foot block. As for the one in the minor match, in real time I thought it was the correct call by the referee but on the replays it's definitely debatable as there was a decent distance between the back and the forward kicking the ball. The Mayo player should not have turned his back to the shot and lead with his leg anyway. Mayo left it behind them but you have to credit Meath for not throwing in the towel. Hard to see past the Dubs now but I was saying the same last year.
Quote from: blast05 on August 26, 2012, 10:49:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 26, 2012, 07:50:14 PM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on August 26, 2012, 04:24:14 PM
It's very amusing, whenever Meath win it's always called back to some dubious refereeing decision, never a word about the heart and spirit needed to comeback from such a deficit. In fairness, I couldn't believe how far we were behind relative to our dominance, and I always felt we were going to get a goal at some point and be in with a right shout for it. Even so, Mayo surprised me by slacking off so much in the second half, undoubtedly a very good team but showed a lack of experience not closing the game out. Referee was shocking, but to both sides. I've seen foot blocks like that given more often that not ... probably not technically a foot block, but they're given all the same.
We never bothered playing at all against the Dubs in the Leinster Final, so with a small bit of work in the backs we can give them (or Kerry) a right run for their money.
In fairness most of the posters here acknowledged that Meath were that better team and fully deserved their win with no quibs. That still does not hide the dodgy decisions of the referee (which had nothing to do with Meath). The decisions were dubious, there can be no quibs about it also.
So chill out there was no disrespect ment to a game Meath side, just a comment on the referee. Best of luck in the final.
Mayo not scoring for a 28 minute period of the 2nd half is being quoted by all Mayo supporters it seems as the reason we lost, i.e.: if you don't score for such a lengthy period then you don't deserve to win and no other factor is relevant.
I think this is complete bollox talk.
Bottom line as far as i am concerned in this match is that Mayo were 3 points up with a few minutes to go. It required the intervention of the ref to win the game for Meath
I already have myself partly conditioned to expect a few similar mind-numbing decisions in favour of the Dubs next week given who the ref is.
Fair play, bottom line.
People know the score Blast but don t want to be seen as whingers. I know a few of those Mayo lads since they were 12/13 and I m gutted for them and I m gutted myself. It doesnt matter if team got defensive or lads missed shots or management did whatever - that s part of the game - ref deciding the game is a no-no.
If the clash of heads did not happen Mayo would have won the game by - pick what ever number you want. But while we have some very good individuals in first 15, we ve had barely 15 all year. Still we were entitled to be given a chance to hold out with what we had without the ref acting God.
Expect similar next weekend as you say. We ll have to be an awful lot better than Dublin to have a chance of winning it. If it s a close match it wont be let happen. Every half-baked ref knows how to manage a game. No wonder so many people not going to go.
Quote from: royals12 on August 26, 2012, 09:31:29 PM
i never said the penalty wasnt a big decision? i said that the sideline ball wasnt because alot of people were giving out about that, that it should have been a free but it didnt actually have a big effect on the goal we got.
Well what if we booted the ball over/manufactured some score out of a free? f**king hell I'm sick of refs riding us all the time in big matches.
well sure mayo had the chance to go up and score when they caught the line ball but they then kicked it to a meath player so i dont really think they can complain about that to be honest.
In fairness to the ref ,his line of sight seemed to have been blocked for the sideline ball incident but why could not the linesman have alerted the ref to the foul as he had the best view.I am never one to complain about refs but that decision to give the penalty cost Mayo a place in the all ireland final and it does not matter that Meath were a better team and had missed a load of chances or dominated possession for the last 20 min.
Quote from: royals12 on August 27, 2012, 12:36:53 AM
well sure mayo had the chance to go up and score when they caught the line ball but they then kicked it to a meath player so i dont really think they can complain about that to be honest.
Nothing to do with it! Read my above post. Misses and stuff are part of the game like your lads missing goals.
They train all year to make these errors. It s accectable and part of the game.
But the ref should not be deciding games. Unfortunately it happens a lot to us and unfortunately it happens a lot with Meath. McEneaney and Bannon were game deciders in the recent past. And the shite in 96 from likes of O Rourke was that Mayo deserved to lose cause they kicked some wides. Sorry, but kicking wides part of the game - getting shafted by a ref shouldn t be.
Quote from: royals12 on August 27, 2012, 12:36:53 AM
well sure mayo had the chance to go up and score when they caught the line ball but they then kicked it to a meath player so i dont really think they can complain about that to be honest.
You're missing the point, nobody knows what would happen if but what we do know is that it was a free kick to Mayo out the sideline and this wrong decision led to the passage in play that led to the wrongly awarded penalty.
The foot block amazes me, how people can even say there was any question over it, there was a Meath player (the striker of the ball) a Mayo player ( the tackler) and then two yards behind the striker of the ball was the Mayo player who made contact with the ball with his foot...............ffs how can that be classed as a foot block. ( thats the way i seen it and i was on the hill) did i see it wrong?
Refs like players make mistakes time for a video ref. Can't believe how that Meath side managed to beat Tyrone and the long wait in Leinster for All Ireland minor title should end this year.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 27, 2012, 12:51:41 AM
Refs like players make mistakes time for a video ref. Can't believe how that Meath side managed to beat Tyrone and the long wait in Leinster for All Ireland minor title should end this year.
Those were some mistakes there today in fairness.
QuoteIf the clash of heads did not happen Mayo would have won the game by - pick what ever number you want.
I thought that also. It took the sideline a long time to patch up young Ryan, maybe there is a rule on the recovery time for a head clash?. Felt sorry for the midfielder captain he broke his balls trying to stay in the game and my first reaction was that it was never a footblock.
I think when people state that if you don't score for 25mins then the other team deserves it is shitetalk also.
We lost our shape in the forward line after the clash of heads and didn't score for the next 24mins, that fact, added to very poor ref decisions was the reason we were beaten.
Am I the only one annoyed with the manager? Push was right beside him and never raised an arm or anything! Then he comes on SG last night smiling!! If that was Cody, Christ he'd have taken the flag out of the linesman's hand. The linesman can count himself lycky I was in the upper tier...
Quote from: blast05 on August 26, 2012, 10:49:59 PM
Mayo not scoring for a 28 minute period of the 2nd half is being quoted by all Mayo supporters it seems as the reason we lost, i.e.: if you don't score for such a lengthy period then you don't deserve to win and no other factor is relevant.
I think this is complete bollox talk.
Bottom line as far as i am concerned in this match is that Mayo were 3 points up with a few minutes to go. It required the intervention of the ref to win the game for Meath
I already have myself partly conditioned to expect a few similar mind-numbing decisions in favour of the Dubs next week given who the ref is.
Dry your eyes ya feckin whinger. Not only whinging about a game your lads threw away, already whinging about a game that hasn't been played yet!
Of course Mayo not scoring for 28 minutes was the main reason you lost!
Blaming the ref is complete cop out to cover up the incompetence of that second half display.
Why did the defender throw his feet across to block that shot, when any eejit knows there's a risk of a peno in doing such a thing. Why wasnt he brave enough to throw himself hands first instead of feet first?
The Mayo keeper will never get a better chance to save a peno in Croke Park, but he made a balls of it.
And then at the death, the Mayo forward has a good chance to score a goal to get the draw, and he balloons it over the bar. Pathetic effort.
End of the day, the best team won the game, and fully deserved their victory.
Quote from: Hound on August 27, 2012, 11:42:30 AM
Quote from: blast05 on August 26, 2012, 10:49:59 PM
Mayo not scoring for a 28 minute period of the 2nd half is being quoted by all Mayo supporters it seems as the reason we lost, i.e.: if you don't score for such a lengthy period then you don't deserve to win and no other factor is relevant.
I think this is complete bollox talk.
Bottom line as far as i am concerned in this match is that Mayo were 3 points up with a few minutes to go. It required the intervention of the ref to win the game for Meath
I already have myself partly conditioned to expect a few similar mind-numbing decisions in favour of the Dubs next week given who the ref is.
Dry your eyes ya feckin whinger. Not only whinging about a game your lads threw away, already whinging about a game that hasn't been played yet!
Of course Mayo not scoring for 28 minutes was the main reason you lost!
Blaming the ref is complete cop out to cover up the incompetence of that second half display.
Why did the defender throw his feet across to block that shot, when any eejit knows there's a risk of a peno in doing such a thing. Why wasnt he brave enough to throw himself hands first instead of feet first?
The Mayo keeper will never get a better chance to save a peno in Croke Park, but he made a balls of it.
And then at the death, the Mayo forward has a good chance to score a goal to get the draw, and he balloons it over the bar. Pathetic effort.
End of the day, the best team won the game, and fully deserved their victory.
Pathetic post and a pathetic way to speak about 17 and 18 year old lads.
Quote from: Hound on August 27, 2012, 11:42:30 AM
Quote from: blast05 on August 26, 2012, 10:49:59 PM
Mayo not scoring for a 28 minute period of the 2nd half is being quoted by all Mayo supporters it seems as the reason we lost, i.e.: if you don't score for such a lengthy period then you don't deserve to win and no other factor is relevant.
I think this is complete bollox talk.
Bottom line as far as i am concerned in this match is that Mayo were 3 points up with a few minutes to go. It required the intervention of the ref to win the game for Meath
I already have myself partly conditioned to expect a few similar mind-numbing decisions in favour of the Dubs next week given who the ref is.
Dry your eyes ya feckin whinger. Not only whinging about a game your lads threw away, already whinging about a game that hasn't been played yet!
Of course Mayo not scoring for 28 minutes was the main reason you lost!
Blaming the ref is complete cop out to cover up the incompetence of that second half display.
Why did the defender throw his feet across to block that shot, when any eejit knows there's a risk of a peno in doing such a thing. Why wasnt he brave enough to throw himself hands first instead of feet first?
The Mayo keeper will never get a better chance to save a peno in Croke Park, but he made a balls of it.
And then at the death, the Mayo forward has a good chance to score a goal to get the draw, and he balloons it over the bar. Pathetic effort.
End of the day, the best team won the game, and fully deserved their victory.
Your talk BS Hound ... and i suspect you know it and you have only reacted cos of real concerns i have expressed wrt referring for next week,
Mayo folk by and large still have a post 1996 hangover, i.e.: we learned our lesson there about 'whinging' and will not now under any circumstances blame anyone bar ourselves when we lose. This is fine 99% of the time but if a game we were playing in was clearly decided by an incorrect decision by a ref then we are entitled to give out about it.
Mayo not scoring for 28 minutes was not good (we lost our shape after 2 of our best players clashed) but again, the bottom line is Mayo were ahead by 3 points with a few minutes to go until a few bullshit decisions by the ref. Everything else up to that point is immaterial.
If Meaths 2 late goals had been even reasonably legit then absolutely no issue - it would have been a simple case in my book of "Meath scored more and thus deserved to win"
BTW, you must have some minors in Dublin when a shot from just outside the 20 metre line (with 3 players closing you down) that doesn't find the top corner is a "pathetic effort". Pathetic analysis more like
Quote from: Hound on August 27, 2012, 11:42:30 AM
Why did the defender throw his feet across to block that shot, when any eejit knows there's a risk of a peno in doing such a thing. Why wasnt he brave enough to throw himself hands first instead of feet first?
Because he was two yards away from the attacker and because he knew he had a far better chance of stopping the ball with his leg.
Your argument is bizarre. A player makes a block which is clearly within the rules, he's doing nothing wrong, and yet you imply that he only has himself to blame for the penalty being given. That's like the football equivalent of arguing that a woman deserves to be raped because she's walking home at night on her own.
Only saw the 2 minutes highlights of this one last night but they included 2 refereeing howlers - the push over the sideline and the penalty.
Quote from: blast05 on August 27, 2012, 01:06:47 PM
Mayo folk by and large still have a post 1996 hangover, i.e.: we learned our lesson there about 'whinging' and will not now under any circumstances blame anyone bar ourselves when we lose.
I know that, and I've been saying for a long while that Mayo and under-rated and have a great chance this year and were a great value bet, but you're clearly not within the "by and large" element!!
No doubt that Mayo got the shitty end of the stick with some refereeing decisions towards the end of the game. That said I thought Meath were the better team anyway (without looking overly impressive themselves). They virtually owned the football for the final 25 minutes of the game but seemed intent on kicking the game away with some horrendous wides and missed goal chances.
A draw and extra-time (was extra-time due to be played?) might have been a fairer outcome overall.
Haven't seen Dublin play but Meath looked like a decent but unremarkable minor team yesterday. Presuming Dublin are as good as everyone makes out it's hard to see them not winning both their remaining games fairly comfortably.
Quote from: Hound on August 27, 2012, 02:03:19 PM
Quote from: blast05 on August 27, 2012, 01:06:47 PM
Mayo folk by and large still have a post 1996 hangover, i.e.: we learned our lesson there about 'whinging' and will not now under any circumstances blame anyone bar ourselves when we lose.
I know that, and I've been saying for a long while that Mayo and under-rated and have a great chance this year and were a great value bet, but you're clearly not within the "by and large" element!!
Can you write that in English?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 27, 2012, 02:14:47 PM
No doubt that Mayo got the shitty end of the stick with some refereeing decisions towards the end of the game. That said I thought Meath were the better team anyway (without looking overly impressive themselves). They virtually owned the football for the final 25 minutes of the game but seemed intent on kicking the game away with some horrendous wides and missed goal chances.
A draw and extra-time (was extra-time due to be played?) might have been a fairer outcome overall.
Haven't seen Dublin play but Meath looked like a decent but unremarkable minor team yesterday. Presuming Dublin are as good as everyone makes out it's hard to see them not winning both their remaining games fairly comfortably.
+1
What's frustrating is the ref dictated the outcome by making to huge mistakes. Up till then the game was still in the balance even if Meath looked like they were heading for the win anyway. Meath did deserve to win due to the reasons outlined above and by many others but Mayo didn't deserve to lose in the manner by which it happened!(nor does any other team). The ref made two huge mistakes which cost Mayo a potential hard fought win or a another go in extra time. Why some posters say this is whining , I just don't understand. Granted we are not the only county to have bad decisions go against us and we won't be the last but are Mayo people not allowed to complain about the ref's incompetence? Is there some mysterious rule that passed congress that nobody told us about?
Anyway good luck to Meath in the final , if the take some more of the goal chances they created they should be in with a shout.
Terrible sequence of bad decisions.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2012, 10:36:39 AM
Am I the only one annoyed with the manager? Push was right beside him and never raised an arm or anything! Then he comes on SG last night smiling!! If that was Cody, Christ he'd have taken the flag out of the linesman's hand. The linesman can count himself lucky I was in the upper tier...
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Why? What would you have done?
I don't actually know. Probably get out of my seat and give him a right earful. Just like the fella from Wexford in the 05 Leinster final v Kk.
"The Mayo keeper will never get a better chance to save a peno in Croke Park, but he made a balls of it. "
Sweet mother of jasus mr hound, did you really just type that. Its probably the most pathetic and revealing statement ever posted on this board.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2012, 10:36:39 AM
Am I the only one annoyed with the manager? Push was right beside him and never raised an arm or anything! Then he comes on SG last night smiling!! If that was Cody, Christ he'd have taken the flag out of the linesman's hand. The linesman can count himself lycky I was in the upper tier...
I doubt it. But Tony is that sort of fella - doesn t get too excited. Not on the surface anyway.
I found both our U21s and minors this year did not add up to the sum of their parts.
Saying that I thought we would have won that minor with a good bit to spare only for that unfortunate clash of heads. But injuries are part of the game and we had no reserves - nada. And that s a reflection on management cause there s a lot of effort put in at underage coaching and 2 U16 teams. Lads that were dire earlier rounds were wheeled out again as subs. David McHale, an injured corner back had to be pressed into service as a forward. A strong level headed midfielder like Moylet never got any game. Lads that walked or were ran could have made the difference - but there was issues there too in fairness.
But i wish Tony Duffy was more 'up for it' before the match and more pissed off afterwards. Yesterday was the biggest in most of these kids football lives. Few if any will get to play there again and to lose like that is galling.
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Quote from: emmetryan on August 28, 2012, 09:22:18 AM
I've put together a tactical analysis piece on this game here http://action81.com/blog/?p=6159
The turning point of that game was the clash of heads that cost Mayo Lavin (who was doing very well around the middle) and Regan the full forward. Mayo lost all momentum when these two left the field and never recovered.
Quote from: Chimley on August 28, 2012, 02:19:34 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 28, 2012, 09:22:18 AM
I've put together a tactical analysis piece on this game here http://action81.com/blog/?p=6159
The turning point of that game was the clash of heads that cost Mayo Lavin (who was doing very well around the middle) and Regan the full forward. Mayo lost all momentum when these two left the field and never recovered.
Agreed. Tactics had little to do with this one. The Mayo number 12 limped off long before the end as well, which only compounded the aimlessness in Mayo's attack. They fell back into the sort of poor decision making that lost them the Connacht final and almost cost them against Sligo in the Connacht semi.
Quote from: Syferus on August 28, 2012, 03:24:25 PM
Quote from: Chimley on August 28, 2012, 02:19:34 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 28, 2012, 09:22:18 AM
I've put together a tactical analysis piece on this game here http://action81.com/blog/?p=6159
The turning point of that game was the clash of heads that cost Mayo Lavin (who was doing very well around the middle) and Regan the full forward. Mayo lost all momentum when these two left the field and never recovered.
Agreed. Tactics had little to do with this one. The Mayo number 12 limped off long before the end as well, which only compounded the aimlessness in Mayo's attack. They fell back into the sort of poor decision making that lost them the Connacht final and almost cost them against Sligo in the Connacht semi.
While the clash of heads did effect the pattern of the game Mayo sat back on their lead in the final 25mins at times i counted 12 players behind the ball we used the same tactics towards the end of Connacht final & it almost cost us.
Anyway it's gone now will be interesting to see how many make the step up to U21,seniors in the years ahead.
But how much of that was necessitated by the decimation of the half-forward line? It was clear when they did win ball in the middle - or just by-pass it entirely - that there was little shape to Mayo's attack. There's nothing wrong per say with putting bodies behind the ball if you actually are capable of scoring on the counter but if you're not able to score at all then it's just about the only option left. I don't believe Mayo had the forwards available to them to chase a game after half their attack ended up sidelined.
The worst part about it all from Mayo's perspective is that despite those handicaps it looked very likely that they'd eke out an ugly victory before the goal put paid to their lead.
Quote from: Syferus on August 28, 2012, 08:07:25 PM
But how much of that was necessitated by the decimation of the half-forward line? It was clear when they did win ball in the middle - or just by-pass it entirely - that there was little shape to Mayo's attack. There's nothing wrong per say with putting bodies behind the ball if you actually are capable of scoring on the counter but if you're not able to score at all then it's just about the only option left. I don't believe Mayo had the forwards available to them to chase a game after half their attack ended up sidelined.
The worst part about it all from Mayo's perspective is that despite those handicaps it looked very likely that they'd eke out an ugly victory before the goal put paid to their lead.
Spot on as usual Syferus.
Unfortunately our lack of depth cost us dearly. One decent sub around the middle and hf line would have got us over the line.
Still not over this lads? Well let's look at it again, shall we.
(http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/1490/mayofootblock.png)
I in fact accept that technically this wasn't a footblock, but lets be fair lads, those are given 19 times out of 20. In fact the commentator actually says "gan dabht léim sé isteach lena chos". It's only when we get back to Spillane & co. that there are suddenly 500 fouls in the build up to every Meath score. Like the time none of our 5 goals against Dublin should have counted, apparently. Now, going back through the highlights with a fine tooth-comb I can find instances where we lost scores due to the refereeing. Cillian O'Sullivan was fouled in the parallelogram and that should have been a penalty in the first half, for example. Had he gone down, it would have been.
The point being this; if you want to find fouls in a passage of Gaelic Football, it's only too easy. The rules are broken or at least "stretched" in every passage of play. Sometimes breaks don't go your way either. Every county has suffered under the unjust defeat, and no doubt we will again. Graham Geraghty's goal against Kildare in 2011 was probably our most recent experience of that at Championship level. And sure, you give out about it for a while. But the incessant whinging that accompanies certain counties is unbelievable. Now, some Mayo posters have made attempts to address what they did wrong that cost them the game, and fair play to them for it. But there are others who are content to blame the referee, simply because it's the easy way out.
The facts of that game were that Meath looked stronger even in the first half, and probably had more possession. Minors being minors, they squandered multiple goal opportunities, letting Mayo right back into the contest. A fortunate Mayo goal (in so far as our Goalkeeper was unlucky) along with some excellent midfield play caused Mayo to have a really strong lead for the second half. And then they did nothing with it. Once we got within 3 points, about 54 mins in, I knew we had the game there for the taking. When you dominate for that long, a goal is bound to come. Now, you can quibble over the circumstances of those goals, or you can accept that they were simply the result of poor Mayo play in the second half. If Meath didn't get the penalty, do you genuinely believe Mayo would have won? Not a chance, the momentum was completely in Meath's favour.
I don't really have much else to say on this game, except that I'm disappointed the discussion of it has revolved largely around isolated passages of play and questionable refereeing, when there was actually much for both sides to take out of it. Not saying that that is universally the case, just largely so.
I definitely thought Mayo had Meath's number in the first half, and likewise until their three point spurt after the break was over. Meath may have got a couple goal chances early on but it'd be very harsh to say Meath were the superior team in that half. I thought Mayo relaxed and fell asleep a bit after they built up a big lead, a bit more drive and they could have put Meath to bed before half-time.
I genuinely wasn't impressed by Meath, most of Mayo's failings were echoed by Meath and they don't have the excuse of half their forward unit going off injured to fall back on.
If I was to rank this year's minor teams on form it would go like this:
1. Dublin
2. Roscommon
3. Tipp
4. Mayo
~ Meath
6. Tyrone
7. Kerry
And Armagh and Galway deserve honourable mentions.
Tipp above Mayo for how impressive they looked early on and their Munster title, Kerry low because by all rights they should have three championship defeats in the bank by now. Personally I was very proud of the consistency of our backs and the play-making ability of our forwards, but alas not capitalising on rafts and rafts of well-created chances was a line that ran through our championship campaign. Some of them are interchangeable - realistically I'd verge on making it a scratch between ourselves and Tipp, but Tipp's collapse against Mayo was so complete I felt ok with going with my heart on that one. Ironically that 1-2 is the same as the u21 grade, which makes for good reading if you're a Rossie or a Dub.
More than most years I think this year's championship shook out very strangely, it's very hard to say the most talented teams made it to the business end. I suppose people will say that's minors for you but even last year it was hard to argue that Roscommon, Dublin, Tipp and Galway weren't the four best teams in the country.
It's been beaten to death by this point but letting some provinces have a second chance and others not makes a mockery of the championship.
Anyways, what's other peoples' rankings of the teams (so far)?
Quote from: Ard-Rí on August 28, 2012, 11:51:54 PM
Still not over this lads? Well let's look at it again, shall we.
(http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/1490/mayofootblock.png)
I in fact accept that technically this wasn't a footblock, but lets be fair lads, those are given 19 times out of 20. In fact the commentator actually says "gan dabht léim sé isteach lena chos". It's only when we get back to Spillane & co. that there are suddenly 500 fouls in the build up to every Meath score. Like the time none of our 5 goals against Dublin should have counted, apparently. Now, going back through the highlights with a fine tooth-comb I can find instances where we lost scores due to the refereeing. Cillian O'Sullivan was fouled in the parallelogram and that should have been a penalty in the first half, for example. Had he gone down, it would have been.
The point being this; if you want to find fouls in a passage of Gaelic Football, it's only too easy. The rules are broken or at least "stretched" in every passage of play. Sometimes breaks don't go your way either. Every county has suffered under the unjust defeat, and no doubt we will again. Graham Geraghty's goal against Kildare in 2011 was probably our most recent experience of that at Championship level. And sure, you give out about it for a while. But the incessant whinging that accompanies certain counties is unbelievable. Now, some Mayo posters have made attempts to address what they did wrong that cost them the game, and fair play to them for it. But there are others who are content to blame the referee, simply because it's the easy way out.
The facts of that game were that Meath looked stronger even in the first half, and probably had more possession. Minors being minors, they squandered multiple goal opportunities, letting Mayo right back into the contest. A fortunate Mayo goal (in so far as our Goalkeeper was unlucky) along with some excellent midfield play caused Mayo to have a really strong lead for the second half. And then they did nothing with it. Once we got within 3 points, about 54 mins in, I knew we had the game there for the taking. When you dominate for that long, a goal is bound to come. Now, you can quibble over the circumstances of those goals, or you can accept that they were simply the result of poor Mayo play in the second half. If Meath didn't get the penalty, do you genuinely believe Mayo would have won? Not a chance, the momentum was completely in Meath's favour.
I don't really have much else to say on this game, except that I'm disappointed the discussion of it has revolved largely around isolated passages of play and questionable refereeing, when there was actually much for both sides to take out of it. Not saying that that is universally the case, just largely so.
Fair play Ard Ri and I agree with 95% of what you posted but I have to pull you up on a couple of bits I have highlighted in bold.
To say 19 out 20 of the above are give as penalties is stretching it in the extreme and probably the opposite in terms of probability.
Also I would argue that a minority albeit a loud minority of Mayo posters blame the ref solely for us loosing.
Lastly to say you couldn't argue that Mayo could have won being 3 points up with 7 or 8 min's left and Meath as wasteful as they had been during the game, is fairly blinkered towards what happend after the fact and perhaps a touch ungracious towards the Mayo minors?
Anyway Good luck in the final , I haven't seen anything substantial of Dublin or Kerry but to roll out what may be a tired cliche you write off Meath in knockout football at your peril as we in Mayo have found out on numerous occasions
Quote from: Syferus on August 29, 2012, 12:24:35 AM
I definitely thought Mayo had Meath's number in the first half, and likewise until their three point spurt after the break was over. Meath may have got a couple goal chances early on but it'd be very harsh to say Meath were the superior team in that half. I thought Mayo relaxed and fell asleep a bit after they built up a big lead, a bit more drive and they could have put Meath to bed before half-time.
I genuinely wasn't impressed by Meath, most of Mayo's failings were echoed by Meath and they don't have the excuse of half their forward unit going off injured to fall back on.
If I was to rank this year's minor teams on form it would go like this:
1. Dublin
2. Roscommon
3. Tipp
4. Mayo
~ Meath
6. Tyrone
7. Kerry
And Armagh and Galway deserve honourable mentions.
Tipp above Mayo for how impressive they looked early on and their Munster title, Kerry low because by all rights they should have three championship defeats in the bank by now. Personally I was very proud of the consistency of our backs and the play-making ability of our forwards, but alas not capitalising on rafts and rafts of well-created chances was a line that ran through our championship campaign. Some of them are interchangeable - realistically I'd verge on making it a scratch between ourselves and Tipp, but Tipp's collapse against Mayo was so complete I felt ok with going with my heart on that one. Ironically that 1-2 is the same as the u21 grade, which makes for good reading if you're a Rossie or a Dub.
More than most years I think this year's championship shook out very strangely, it's very hard to say the most talented teams made it to the business end. I suppose people will say that's minors for you but even last year it was hard to argue that Roscommon, Dublin, Tipp and Galway weren't the four best teams in the country.
It's been beaten to death by this point but letting some provinces have a second chance and others not makes a mockery of the championship.
Anyways, what's other peoples' rankings of the teams (so far)?
Roscommon will never be sucessful as long as they have schizophrenics like you talking them up and making excuses for them at the same time.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 29, 2012, 06:29:13 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 29, 2012, 12:24:35 AM
I definitely thought Mayo had Meath's number in the first half, and likewise until their three point spurt after the break was over. Meath may have got a couple goal chances early on but it'd be very harsh to say Meath were the superior team in that half. I thought Mayo relaxed and fell asleep a bit after they built up a big lead, a bit more drive and they could have put Meath to bed before half-time.
I genuinely wasn't impressed by Meath, most of Mayo's failings were echoed by Meath and they don't have the excuse of half their forward unit going off injured to fall back on.
If I was to rank this year's minor teams on form it would go like this:
1. Dublin
2. Roscommon
3. Tipp
4. Mayo
~ Meath
6. Tyrone
7. Kerry
And Armagh and Galway deserve honourable mentions.
Tipp above Mayo for how impressive they looked early on and their Munster title, Kerry low because by all rights they should have three championship defeats in the bank by now. Personally I was very proud of the consistency of our backs and the play-making ability of our forwards, but alas not capitalising on rafts and rafts of well-created chances was a line that ran through our championship campaign. Some of them are interchangeable - realistically I'd verge on making it a scratch between ourselves and Tipp, but Tipp's collapse against Mayo was so complete I felt ok with going with my heart on that one. Ironically that 1-2 is the same as the u21 grade, which makes for good reading if you're a Rossie or a Dub.
More than most years I think this year's championship shook out very strangely, it's very hard to say the most talented teams made it to the business end. I suppose people will say that's minors for you but even last year it was hard to argue that Roscommon, Dublin, Tipp and Galway weren't the four best teams in the country.
It's been beaten to death by this point but letting some provinces have a second chance and others not makes a mockery of the championship.
Anyways, what's other peoples' rankings of the teams (so far)?
Roscommon will never be sucessful as long as they have schizophrenics like you talking them up and making excuses for them at the same time.
That buck's hyperbolical ramblings have taken on legendary status among the sensible folk of our County and are best ignored by all outsiders. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D . Never argue with a fool and all that... ;)
Anyway you can't notionally rate minor teams as they are once offs and each game is basically a once off also.
For the record we had a decent ( but no more) team this year who stuttered past Galway despite dominating the game , stole the Connacht title because Mayo forwards kicked a lorry load of wides and fcuked up against Kerry because we missed a load of chances in this one.
In the latter years of the last and early years of this Century we would have been delighted to come within 10 points of those 3 Counties at under age so we've progressed in a big way since those dark days.
The real test now is to follow that with decent U21 ( 2010 and 2012 not bad at all) performances and then Senior level.
The latter is proving beyond us so far but it's early days yet.
Decisions made on management structures, training methods and levels , finances etc will be vital over the next 2 years if all the decent amount of talent we have at under age is to flower into a decent Senior team from 2014 onwards.
As for next Sunday I suppose Dublin only have to turn up and likewise for the Final ( again !) ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on August 29, 2012, 10:51:17 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 29, 2012, 06:29:13 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 29, 2012, 12:24:35 AM
I definitely thought Mayo had Meath's number in the first half, and likewise until their three point spurt after the break was over. Meath may have got a couple goal chances early on but it'd be very harsh to say Meath were the superior team in that half. I thought Mayo relaxed and fell asleep a bit after they built up a big lead, a bit more drive and they could have put Meath to bed before half-time.
I genuinely wasn't impressed by Meath, most of Mayo's failings were echoed by Meath and they don't have the excuse of half their forward unit going off injured to fall back on.
If I was to rank this year's minor teams on form it would go like this:
1. Dublin
2. Roscommon
3. Tipp
4. Mayo
~ Meath
6. Tyrone
7. Kerry
And Armagh and Galway deserve honourable mentions.
Tipp above Mayo for how impressive they looked early on and their Munster title, Kerry low because by all rights they should have three championship defeats in the bank by now. Personally I was very proud of the consistency of our backs and the play-making ability of our forwards, but alas not capitalising on rafts and rafts of well-created chances was a line that ran through our championship campaign. Some of them are interchangeable - realistically I'd verge on making it a scratch between ourselves and Tipp, but Tipp's collapse against Mayo was so complete I felt ok with going with my heart on that one. Ironically that 1-2 is the same as the u21 grade, which makes for good reading if you're a Rossie or a Dub.
More than most years I think this year's championship shook out very strangely, it's very hard to say the most talented teams made it to the business end. I suppose people will say that's minors for you but even last year it was hard to argue that Roscommon, Dublin, Tipp and Galway weren't the four best teams in the country.
It's been beaten to death by this point but letting some provinces have a second chance and others not makes a mockery of the championship.
Anyways, what's other peoples' rankings of the teams (so far)?
Roscommon will never be sucessful as long as they have schizophrenics like you talking them up and making excuses for them at the same time.
As for next Sunday I suppose Dublin only have to turn up and likewise for the Final ( again !) ::)
The only people saying that this & last year were paranoid lunatics.
No-one in Dublin took or is taking that attitude.
The reality is what stands between Dublin and the AI this year is significantly less than what was there last season. Galway had beaten a fancied Cavan team (that season's Ulster champions) in their QF and their pedigree at underage is second to none, while the current Tipp minor set-up proved themselves a very fine team this year and last. Kerry lost twice to Tipp in Munster and by any measure were extremely lucky to survive their QF. I can't see Dublin not making enough hay to fill a barn if Kerry continue the loose defending that has been an almost constant theme of their campaign. Dublin have already demonstrated they can beat Meath.
No one is saying it's a foregone conclusion but the odds of it happening are far stronger this year than last.
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Stole the Connacht title because Mayo forwards kicked a lorry load of wides
In the Connacht final we led 4-0,6-2 Finn hit the crossbar and Murtagh missed another great goal chance. The final 15mins we sat back with men behind the ball & most of the wides Mayo kicked was from distance under pressure. We didn't steal a Connacht title but almost lost it with stupid tactics.
In case you think i'm biased here's another view from the Connaught telegraph
"For the opening 20 minutes you would fret for a Mayo side who were outclassed, but when the sums were done at the end of 60 minutes, Mayo, despite their forward division being redundant for the day, could have stolen this one and denied Roscommon back-to-back minor titles.
I'm not suggesting Mayo deserved it on their overall performance but Roscommon almost paid the ultimate price for failing to dispatch Mayo when they had them hanging over the cliff, and some stout individual performances, notably from the Mayo defence and their team captain, Adam Gallagher, kept then brazenly hanging in, but ultimately the best team on the day won."
QuoteFair play Ard Ri and I agree with 95% of what you posted but I have to pull you up on a couple of bits I have highlighted in bold.
To say 19 out 20 of the above are give as penalties is stretching it in the extreme and probably the opposite in terms of probability.
Well okay, it's not objective to say 19 out of 20 because we can't know exactly, but if it happened in a club game you'd be criticising the back for using his foot at all. Now it's harsh on him because he did bugger all wrong, but that's the way the game is played these days. There was nothing extraordinary about a penalty being given in this instance.
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Also I would argue that a minority albeit a loud minority of Mayo posters blame the ref solely for us loosing.
Probably should have mentioned that I just meant on the internet with that. Anybody I've met from Mayo since has had a fairly level headed view of the game, though certainly disappointed with the Referee's performance, as they've every right to be.
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Lastly to say you couldn't argue that Mayo could have won being 3 points up with 7 or 8 min's left and Meath as wasteful as they had been during the game, is fairly blinkered towards what happend after the fact and perhaps a touch ungracious towards the Mayo minors?
Yes, that's probably true, but I'm always very optimistic when watching football I guess. Meath teams often frustrate the hell out of us, but one thing they can do well is a comeback. So when we got within 3 points, I was sure we'd get a really good chance to win it. I think though, that if the Mayo lads had a little more guile, a score of any kind would have shaken our resolve. To be fair to the Mayo minors, I'm not sure that we'd beat them if it went to a replay. Sometimes you catch a team on the hop like that, and even the very good ones find it hard to react to it.
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Anyway Good luck in the final , I haven't seen anything substantial of Dublin or Kerry but to roll out what may be a tired cliche you write off Meath in knockout football at your peril as we in Mayo have found out on numerous occasions
Míle Buíochas, but more importantly good luck against the Dubs. From what I've seen this is the best team Mayo have had in years, better that '06 I'd say. Even just watching league games last year, they were fitter and more tactically aware than most of their opponents. It's been a quiet enough campaign for Mayo compared to Donegal, but that might work in your favour. In any case, you definitely have a great chance to knock the Dubs out.
HT Dublin 2-6 Kerry 0-5
Kerry goal out of the blue only 4 points in 2-8 to 1-7 20mins to go.
10mins to go Dublin 2-9 Kerry 1-10
FT Dublin 3-12 Kerry 1-10
Money can't buy everything but it can buy bucket loads of underage titles.
it can buy you the odd senior all ireland too as dublin and armagh have shown
Dublin will be red hot favourites in the final again this year. They are hardly quite as good as they were last year (no Ciaran Kilkenny) but will surely win that first minor title since 1984. 3 defeats for Kerry in this year's Championship. The players put up a brave display against a better team, but no harm to see Mickey Ned on the losing side after his attitude towards Tipp in the Munster Final.
What did poor Mickey NEd say about Tipp?
Costello is fine forward i think Dublin are better all round team now as unlike last year they don't panic when the other team has a purple patch.
Don't matter. I'd reckon you're nothing more that a frustrated pr*ck with a Dublin envy complex who either can't get it up or who no one will touch with a barge pole!!!
Go see a counsellor, a doctor, phsychologist or whatever it is to get the help you need!!
Without this you'll just have to continue pulling yourself off every time Dublin manage to achieve any success at any level!!
The very best of luck to you with your treatment you sad f***er!!!
And mods: shame on you that you've allowed this sh*te continue for months without dealing with it!!
Hmmmmm. Dublin minors didn t look as scary as their billing.
I d have given us a good chance. Ah well.
Quote from: moysider on September 02, 2012, 11:35:30 PM
Hmmmmm. Dublin minors didn t look as scary as their billing.
I d have given us a good chance. Ah well.
With a bit of luck it could have been Connacht All Ireland final but credit to the Leinster sides, wouldn't rule out Meath i remember Laois lost the Leinster final to Dublin in 2003 then got revenge in the AI final.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on September 02, 2012, 11:03:33 PM
Don't matter. I'd reckon you're nothing more that a frustrated pr*ck with a Dublin envy complex who either can't get it up or who no one will touch with a barge pole!!!
Go see a counsellor, a doctor, phsychologist or whatever it is to get the help you need!!
Without this you'll just have to continue pulling yourself off every time Dublin manage to achieve any success at any level!!
The very best of luck to you with your treatment you sad f***er!!!
And mods: shame on you that you've allowed this sh*te continue for months without dealing with it!!
Here's another example of a 'salt to the earth' Dub taking a Dublin defeat in with class. ::)
You've been bought underage All Irelands in hurling and football. 7 million, plus 1 million each year goes a long way. Thems the facts, if you don't like them then it's not my problem.
Is he Tankie or Gnevin?
I've put together a tactical analysis piece on Dublin's win over Kerry for anyone interested http://action81.com/blog/?p=6181
Cormac Costello has been awesome for both the footballers and the hurlers, my MotM two weeks running. He'll have played four huge games in four weeks if the minor hurling AI final replay is on next weekend, nevermind the other dual players. A small glint of hope for Meath.
Very surprised that there is so little attention being given to the Minor Final on Sunday. Is it because people are writing off Meath's chances completely. Last time I looked Dublin were 1/10 with Paddy Power. Of course, they are entitled to be strong favourites, but those are crazy odds. Maybe, the bookies are holding a lot of bets on Dublin. My take on the game is that Dublin will win, but nowhere near as easily as in the Leinster Final (maybe be 5 points). A bit ironic that Dublin will probably bridge the 28 years gap without a Minor All Ireland with a team that IMO is a fair bit behind last year's team in quality. Costello is a fine player, but he was there last year too along with Kilkenny, McCaffrey, Small and O Conghaile. I don't see the same quality in this year's team.
They've never really had to exert themselves this year. I thought if we hadn't fumbled Kerry it'd have been a serious test of both teams in that semi-final but it wasn't to be. Even when Kerry came back at Dublin it never felt like they could win the game. It's hard to compare them to last year when what was put in front of them was significantly weaker.
I agree syferus. The semi finalists last year were a good deal better than this year. When the 3 Provincial winners - Roscommon, Tipperary and Tyrone all went out in the quarter finals this year it really made things easy for Dublin.
how did it make things easy for dublin when tyrone, tipp and roscommon were knocked out? the way people say that you'd think those teams nearly just chose to lose, They were beaten by better teams!! that tyrone team is very good yet meath get little or no credit for beating them, especially after losing the leinster final and then to beat a team like tyrone two weeks later. meath being 7/1 is a mad price and i think it will be alot closer than people think.
Quote from: royals12 on September 19, 2012, 11:21:19 PM
how did it make things easy for dublin when tyrone, tipp and roscommon were knocked out? the way people say that you'd think those teams nearly just chose to lose, They were beaten by better teams!! that tyrone team is very good yet meath get little or no credit for beating them, especially after losing the leinster final and then to beat a team like tyrone two weeks later. meath being 7/1 is a mad price and i think it will be alot closer than people think.
Roscommon weren't beaten by a better team we beat ourselves. I agree crazy odds i can't remember odds that long for any All Ireland final even longer odds than we were in the U21 final this year :o
I don't think it can be over-stated how much better than Kerry we were over the 60 minutes. I literally never have seen a team lose a match with so much of the possession, the scoring opportunities and the defensive play we put in. Tipp would have had the belief you need to beat a Dublin, Tyrone I think weren't terribly great shakes this year and Meath's victory over them was probably a good representation of where they ranked.
The question we have to ask is what has really changed since the end of July? Have Meath suddenly got 13 points better? If they answer is no then the odds are mostly justified when you make allowance for the fact all Dublin's teams are always over-rated in betting stakes because so much of the money that moves the scales is in the county.
i think meath have improved since the leinster final, its interesting that brian cody talked to them the other day, hopefully it will have a good affect on them. i actually think we will win.
Quote from: royals12 on September 19, 2012, 11:21:19 PM
how did it make things easy for dublin when tyrone, tipp and roscommon were knocked out? the way people say that you'd think those teams nearly just chose to lose, They were beaten by better teams!! that tyrone team is very good yet meath get little or no credit for beating them, especially after losing the leinster final and then to beat a team like tyrone two weeks later. meath being 7/1 is a mad price and i think it will be alot closer than people think.
Well said royals12. There were lots on here in particular lauding Tyrone saying they would be a match for Dublin if they met. However Meath beat them and subsequently beat our boys. Hopefully it will be a good game for us neutrals.
The 3 provincial champions all losing in the quarter finals had to make it easier for Dublin, as they were then the only unbeaten team left in the semi finals. There is no doubt at all that Roscommon were a better team than Kerry and it is hard to understand how they managed to lose that game, but these things happen sometimes. I am sure they would have tested Dublin in the semi final. I like to think that Tipp would have given Dublin a tough game if they had met them as well. I expect Meath to do OK as they are a better team than they looked in the Leinster Final, but it is a very big gap that they have to close. Good luck to them anyway, but I don't expect Dublin to be beaten.
HT Dublin 0-7 Meath 0-2 hopefully improved 2nd half.
Meath will have to open up now but they just don't have the scorers to chase Dublin. They needed Ward to bury that early goal chance in all reality.
We're only five behind. We're a second-half team.
We'll need to spend a few minutes here and there in their half, though.
So the negative football so loved by Jim Mcguinness makes its way to an minor all Ireland final. Worst minor final that I can remember but at least the architects of this negative game are getting what they deserve.
Dublin 0-8 Meath 1-4 game on
Shooting has been horrible.
Quote from: ONeill on September 23, 2012, 02:20:15 PM
Shooting has been horrible.
Dublin shooting the last few minutes has been excellent probably the difference between the sides.
Disappointing game Dublin's long wait for a minor title is over. FT Dublin 0-14 Meath 1-5
Well done to Dublin, answered the questions when they were put to them in the second half. The best team by far throughout the game.
Horrible refereeing, just desperate.
Arrah, my predictions are great, ain't they?
Plenty of lads will be going on to u21 over the next two years with something to prove after this year's minor championship.
Delighted
Dublin are a real football team. They pulled it out when it mattered. Jim Stynes was on their last minor team to win it.
Quote from: Ard-Rí on September 23, 2012, 02:38:53 PM
Well done to Dublin, answered the questions when they were put to them in the second half. The best team by far throughout the game.
Horrible refereeing, just desperate.
What did the ref do. Meath lost because they put 14 men behind the ball in the 1st half and made no attempt to attack.
I agree, but he booked five Meath lads in a game where there was hardly a dirty tackle, not to mention frees given questionably throughout the game to both Meath & Dublin.
Delighted . Makes up big time for the bitter disappointment (from a Dublin perspective) that was last year's final.Great to see Costello get a medal after his 4th final.
Hard luck to the Meath lads.
Well done Dublin. Best team all year. one thing for sure, Dublin wont be waiting another 28 years for their next minor championship.
Well this seemed like it was only going to end one way from the start. All well defending as a team but a bit short of ideas going forward. Some absolutely suicidal and unnessesary handpassing just exasperated the challenge we faced.
Ah well at least we know there is something of a decent team coming through.
Poor tactics by Meath throughout the game even when they scored the penalty it didn't light the spark to push on. Well done to the dubs fine achievement of winning two underage titles this year & deserved to win both.
As much as our tactics weren't great to look at, we had to try something different after the hammering in the Leinster final.
Quote from: agorm on September 23, 2012, 04:34:30 PM
Well done Dublin. Best team all year. one thing for sure, Dublin wont be waiting another 28 years for their next minor championship.
Why not? Winning an All Ireland title one year doesn't mean you are suddenly going to win them regularly.
Well done to the baby Dubs. Poor enough game but any all-ireland win is to be treasured
Quote from: Declan on September 24, 2012, 09:52:55 AM
Well done to the baby Dubs. Poor enough game but any all-ireland win is to be treasured
Yeah, delighted with the win. That was quite a famine ended. I wonder how many different counties have won a minor All Ireland since our previous one??
Meath did tremendously well to come back and reach an All Ireland final after the disappointment of the no-show in the Leinster final. People giving out about their tactics, but to be still in the game with 10 minutes left is an indication that Plan A actually worked. They just needed a little bit extra to kick on and win it, and it was Dublin who had that, but they certainly made it nervy for us.
For me, and I'd say for most followers, apart from those directly involved, the minors are more about seeing prospects for the future than about winning the minor championship. From that point of view, it was an encouraging season for Meath. It was great to see skilful and big, strong, athletic, traditional Meath type footballers like Brian Power, Pádraic Harnan, Shane McEntee and Adam Flanagan manning the spine of the defence and midfield. I'd be a little concerned that no really top-class forward seemed to emerge, though Cillian O'Sullivan has plenty of ability and will improve with both physical and mental maturity and Fiachra Ward, though very quiet yesterday, had a good year and seems to be a proper footballer too.
Quotethough Cillian O'Sullivan has plenty of ability and will improve with both physical and mental maturity
Smashing hurler as well though I did hear that he was off to Oz to try his luck
Quote from: Hardy on September 24, 2012, 10:24:15 AM
For me, and I'd say for most followers, apart from those directly involved, the minors are more about seeing prospects for the future than about winning the minor championship. From that point of view, it was an encouraging season for Meath. It was great to see skilful and big, strong, athletic, traditional Meath type footballers like Brian Power, Pádraic Harnan, Shane McEntee and Adam Flanagan manning the spine of the defence and midfield. I'd be a little concerned that no really top-class forward seemed to emerge, though Cillian O'Sullivan has plenty of ability and will improve with both physical and mental maturity and Fiachra Ward, though very quiet yesterday, had a good year and seems to be a proper footballer too.
What club is Flanagan with? The reason I ask is because his brother was playing midfield for Westmeath minors a few years ago, and played for St.Loman's. He now plays rugby for Leinster. Family may have moved?
Quote from: Hound on September 24, 2012, 10:10:50 AM
Quote from: Declan on September 24, 2012, 09:52:55 AM
Well done to the baby Dubs. Poor enough game but any all-ireland win is to be treasured
Yeah, delighted with the win. That was quite a famine ended. I wonder how many different counties have won a minor All Ireland since our previous one??
Very interesting question. I checked the records and no less than 13 counties have won a Minor All Ireland since Dublin's last win in 1984 - Mayo, Galway (2), Down (3), Kerry (2), Derry (2), Meath (2), Cork (3), Westmeath, Laois (3), Tyrone (5), Roscommon, Armagh, Tipperary. A great spread of counties which makes the Minor Championship so interesting. Only Laois in 1996 and 1997 won 2 titles back to back.
Quote from: shark on September 24, 2012, 12:02:19 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 24, 2012, 10:24:15 AM
For me, and I'd say for most followers, apart from those directly involved, the minors are more about seeing prospects for the future than about winning the minor championship. From that point of view, it was an encouraging season for Meath. It was great to see skilful and big, strong, athletic, traditional Meath type footballers like Brian Power, Pádraic Harnan, Shane McEntee and Adam Flanagan manning the spine of the defence and midfield. I'd be a little concerned that no really top-class forward seemed to emerge, though Cillian O'Sullivan has plenty of ability and will improve with both physical and mental maturity and Fiachra Ward, though very quiet yesterday, had a good year and seems to be a proper footballer too.
What club is Flanagan with? The reason I ask is because his brother was playing midfield for Westmeath minors a few years ago, and played for St.Loman's. He now plays rugby for Leinster. Family may have moved?
He's with Clonard, so he's dangerously close to being one of the separated brethren.
Quote from: shark on September 24, 2012, 12:02:19 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 24, 2012, 10:24:15 AM
For me, and I'd say for most followers, apart from those directly involved, the minors are more about seeing prospects for the future than about winning the minor championship. From that point of view, it was an encouraging season for Meath. It was great to see skilful and big, strong, athletic, traditional Meath type footballers like Brian Power, Pádraic Harnan, Shane McEntee and Adam Flanagan manning the spine of the defence and midfield. I'd be a little concerned that no really top-class forward seemed to emerge, though Cillian O'Sullivan has plenty of ability and will improve with both physical and mental maturity and Fiachra Ward, though very quiet yesterday, had a good year and seems to be a proper footballer too.
What club is Flanagan with? The reason I ask is because his brother was playing midfield for Westmeath minors a few years ago, and played for St.Loman's. He now plays rugby for Leinster. Family may have moved?
Completely disagree. U21 is a far better championship to judge senior prospects by, minor is at least the third most prestigious football tournament played in any given year and the hope of supporters and players should be to win the blasted thing. The vast majority of these players won't ever get close to the senior county team, this is about a bunch of 16-18 year-old fulfilling a life's ambition. A winning team gives alot more to a county that a team with a few raw diamonds suffering through poor results.
I've put together a tactical analysis piece of this game here http://action81.com/blog/?p=6249
Quote from: shark on September 24, 2012, 12:02:19 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 24, 2012, 10:24:15 AM
For me, and I'd say for most followers, apart from those directly involved, the minors are more about seeing prospects for the future than about winning the minor championship. From that point of view, it was an encouraging season for Meath. It was great to see skilful and big, strong, athletic, traditional Meath type footballers like Brian Power, Pádraic Harnan, Shane McEntee and Adam Flanagan manning the spine of the defence and midfield. I'd be a little concerned that no really top-class forward seemed to emerge, though Cillian O'Sullivan has plenty of ability and will improve with both physical and mental maturity and Fiachra Ward, though very quiet yesterday, had a good year and seems to be a proper footballer too.
What club is Flanagan with? The reason I ask is because his brother was playing midfield for Westmeath minors a few years ago, and played for St.Loman's. He now plays rugby for Leinster. Family may have moved?
Clonard- is he a brother of Mark ?
his cousin plays for lenster too- devan toner.
The flanagans were all massive hoors,but not an ounce of sport in them - which is why the two lads playing rugby dont surprise me, though Adam was midfield in Clonards junior championship final win last year - obv a 17 year old then ! good prospect. Schooled there by coach Kevin foley.
Quote from: camanchero on September 24, 2012, 01:56:39 PM
Quote from: shark on September 24, 2012, 12:02:19 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 24, 2012, 10:24:15 AM
For me, and I'd say for most followers, apart from those directly involved, the minors are more about seeing prospects for the future than about winning the minor championship. From that point of view, it was an encouraging season for Meath. It was great to see skilful and big, strong, athletic, traditional Meath type footballers like Brian Power, Pádraic Harnan, Shane McEntee and Adam Flanagan manning the spine of the defence and midfield. I'd be a little concerned that no really top-class forward seemed to emerge, though Cillian O'Sullivan has plenty of ability and will improve with both physical and mental maturity and Fiachra Ward, though very quiet yesterday, had a good year and seems to be a proper footballer too.
What club is Flanagan with? The reason I ask is because his brother was playing midfield for Westmeath minors a few years ago, and played for St.Loman's. He now plays rugby for Leinster. Family may have moved?
Clonard- is he a brother of Mark ?
his cousin plays for lenster too- devan toner.
The flanagans were all massive hoors,but not an ounce of sport in them - which is why the two lads playing rugby dont surprise me, though Adam was midfield in Clonards junior championship final win last year - obv a 17 year old then ! good prospect. Schooled there by coach Kevin foley.
I heard they were brothers alright. Mark was an impressive enough minor, actually had a fair bit of football in him. Doing well at the rugby now, so fair dues to him.
The dublin minors team after they won the all ireland cup, they went out on a session and found daniel radcliffe and he went back to the after part party - good man Harry Potter
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Well, at least they're not kicking down the high street in Tuam.
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In other news, David Power has stepped down as manager of Tipperary Minors. Big shoes there for the next man to fill. I'd say Davey is a lock for the Under 21 job as he continues his progression. Peter Creedon has been confirmed as the Senior Boss.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 24, 2012, 08:23:12 AM
Quote from: agorm on September 23, 2012, 04:34:30 PM
Well done Dublin. Best team all year. one thing for sure, Dublin wont be waiting another 28 years for their next minor championship.
Why not? Winning an All Ireland title one year doesn't mean you are suddenly going to win them regularly.
I think he's right. With the way so much time and money have gone into the Dublin underage structures, Dublin underage football is in a very healthy state,not just at u18 level but all the way down and I think they'll definitely win minor All-Irelands on a more regular basis.
Dublin won the "Tiger Slam "of Gaelic Football by being reigning minor, u21 and senior champions for a brief period last Sunday. Last team to win all 3 was Kerry in 1975.