Players and supporters killing each other up there again today. ::)
Dragging the good name of the association through the mud for the umpteenth time.
Will they ever learn?
Quote from: Jinxy on November 13, 2011, 05:35:13 PM
Players and supporters killing each other up there again today. ::)
Dragging the good name of the association through the mud for the umpteenth time.
Will they ever learn?
Did people die, Jinxy
Quote from: Jinxy on November 13, 2011, 05:35:13 PM
Players and supporters killing each other up there again today. ::)
Dragging the good name of the association through the mud for the umpteenth time.
Will they ever learn?
Hard to know Jinxy. Cant seem to accept its only a game.
Ah! no one died. Thank God for that.
Jinxy, like to exaggerate a bit, don't you?
The standard of football up in Tyrone is abysmal. Games normally finish 0:6 - 0:4.
Quote from: RandyDupree on November 13, 2011, 08:17:33 PM
The standard of football up in Tyrone is abysmal. Games normally finish 0:6 - 0:4.
No they don't
Not good.
That was always going to happen. What incentive was there to not act the maggot? Suspended for three months and miss f*ck all. It was well known that this fixture was going to end up this way.
Games this year in Tyrone have been especially gritty affairs with the win at all costs ethos alive and kicking!
Quote from: Jinxy on November 13, 2011, 05:35:13 PM
Players and supporters killing each other up there again today. ::)
Dragging the good name of the association through the mud for the umpteenth time.
Will they ever learn?
And children in the crowd too, nobody was thinking of them! And parish priests having to witness it too, shocking!
It good you can talk about it anyway Jinxy that's the first step in getting over your trauma.
I know it reflects very bad on the GAA but an inner voice was saying -
'Best news i heard all week. Let the hores beat lumps out of each other...... ;D.......'
Sure what more would ye expect from the shower from that part of the country... It is in their blood and it wil never leave them to act like neanderthals...
A line from Mumford and sons springs to mind "So come out of your cave walking on your hands and see the world hanging upside down"
If I was pop band remarking on this incident i would be LMFAO ;)
nice example conor gormley setting today in melee. Jumping up on fence to strike at spectators. Is this a one month suspension!! Idiot fans on both sides for their part
Quote from: eriugaMS on November 13, 2011, 10:08:20 PM
I know it reflects very bad on the GAA but an inner voice was saying -
'Best news i heard all week. Let the hores beat lumps out of each other...... ;D.......'
Sure what more would ye expect from the shower from that part of the country... It is in their blood and it wil never leave them to act like neanderthals...
A line from Mumford and sons springs to mind "So come out of your cave walking on your hands and see the world hanging upside down"
If I was pop band remarking on this incident i would be LMFAO ;)
Quote from: the goal was on on November 13, 2011, 10:25:50 PM
nice example conor gormley setting today in melee. Jumping up on fence to strike at spectators. Is this a one month suspension!! Idiot fans on both sides for their part
A Derry man down in Dunmoyle or are you just repeatting (or making up) rumours?
Yeah, circle the wagons all you want, but tomorrow the papers will probably have plenty of pictures in glorious technicolour, and it will be grist to the mill for the 'bogball' brigade.
Tyrone GAA people would want to sort this out once and for all.
Quote from: the goal was on on November 13, 2011, 10:25:50 PM
nice example conor gormley setting today in melee. Jumping up on fence to strike at spectators. Is this a one month suspension!! Idiot fans on both sides for their part
I would hope for Conor's sake this is not true, as a coach employed by the county board it could have serious implications for his job I would imagine. It wouldn't be like them though i'd say.
Quote from: tyssam5 on November 13, 2011, 09:34:12 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 13, 2011, 05:35:13 PM
Players and supporters killing each other up there again today. ::)
Dragging the good name of the association through the mud for the umpteenth time.
Will they ever learn?
And children in the crowd too, nobody was thinking of them! And parish priests having to witness it too, shocking!
It good you can talk about it anyway Jinxy that's the first step in getting over your trauma.
Good man yourself.
"Nothing to see here folks!"
Quote from: tyssam5 on November 13, 2011, 09:34:12 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 13, 2011, 05:35:13 PM
Players and supporters killing each other up there again today. ::)
Dragging the good name of the association through the mud for the umpteenth time.
Will they ever learn?
And children in the crowd too, nobody was thinking of them! And parish priests having to witness it too, shocking!
It good you can talk about it anyway Jinxy that's the first step in getting over your trauma.
On that basis you are then saying this is acceptable.
Facts are there are too many violent incidents in Tyrone club football and its dragging the association into the mud too often.
It makes Wicklow club football look like a walk in the park in comparison.
The sad thing is that this will get more coverage over the next couple of days than the keenly contested and sporting matches that took place over the weekend. After the incidents in Antrim a couple of weeks ago this is the last thing that the GAA need.
This is exactly my point.
The media loves a good 'GAA brawl' headline and Tyrone seems to be the most popular location for most of these stories.
The same team names seem to be cropping up on a regular basis too.
You have to admit you have a problem before you can solve it and far too many Tyrone people seem to accept these things are just a fact of life.
It's the year 2011 lads.
Jinxy is correct. Tyrone officials need to have a word with other county officials who have experience in dealing with these types of incidents.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/meath-investigate-brawl-in-championship-match-1714382.html
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/whelan-leads-way-in-dublins-brawl-apology-1355919.html
While I admire your research O'Neill but for me it does not matter what county the trouble is in it has to stop. If clubs have a history of this they should be punished more severely.
Quote from: Throw ball on November 14, 2011, 12:45:25 AM
While I admire your research O'Neill but for me it does not matter what county the trouble is in it has to stop. If clubs have a history of this they should be punished more severely.
Agreed! Everyone on here can pull up an article from every County in Ireland and even further afield. Until we get a decent disciplinary system in place and satisfactory punishments then we're kidding ourselves and this type of thing will keep on happening.
Antrim County board have taken a stand with Rasharkin and fair play to them but something similar happened in Derry a few years ago and the team got reinstated on appeal and these types of incidents get thrown out all the time when they shouldn't be!! I hope that the Antrim case doesn't end up getting overturned as people need to see there are real consequences for their actions and it will give other County Boards the balls to carry out their purpose and protect the safety of everyone involved in the GAA... I won't hold my breath though!!!
Quote from: ONeill on November 14, 2011, 12:32:11 AM
Jinxy is correct. Tyrone officials need to have a word with other county officials who have experience in dealing with these types of incidents.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/meath-investigate-brawl-in-championship-match-1714382.html
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/whelan-leads-way-in-dublins-brawl-apology-1355919.html
Do you know what the big difference here is?
You get rows happening from time to time in all counties.
I'll be the first to admit that.
More often than not it's just pulling and dragging which looks worse than it is.
However, in Tyrone in particular, people seem to get HURT on a regular basis.
There seems to be a level of malicious intent that you don't get in many other counties.
It's the broken-jaw capital of Ireland.
And what a suprise Jinxy , that it would be yourself who would break this "story" on GAA board! Both Dromore and Carrickmore definetly are out of order, and I'm sure the Tyrone county Board will deal with them appropriately, however I can just picture your excitement at learning of this incident ..........and the rush to the toilet with the laptop! ::)
Quote from: Jinxy on November 14, 2011, 12:07:04 AM
Quote from: tyssam5 on November 13, 2011, 09:34:12 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 13, 2011, 05:35:13 PM
Players and supporters killing each other up there again today. ::)
Dragging the good name of the association through the mud for the umpteenth time.
Will they ever learn?
And children in the crowd too, nobody was thinking of them! And parish priests having to witness it too, shocking!
It good you can talk about it anyway Jinxy that's the first step in getting over your trauma.
Good man yourself.
"Nothing to see here folks!"
Of course it's a serious issue, but your faux-outrage is easy to see through.
Quote from: ONeill on November 14, 2011, 12:32:11 AM
Jinxy is correct. Tyrone officials need to have a word with other county officials who have experience in dealing with these types of incidents.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/meath-investigate-brawl-in-championship-match-1714382.html
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/whelan-leads-way-in-dublins-brawl-apology-1355919.html
Do you want to see how many articles can be put up in 2011 alone from Tyrone club football?
You have a serious problem up there and you seem to have no interest in sorting it out.
Sad state of affairs
I was disappointed but not surprised when I heard of this savagery in Tyrone.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 14, 2011, 07:32:07 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 14, 2011, 12:32:11 AM
Jinxy is correct. Tyrone officials need to have a word with other county officials who have experience in dealing with these types of incidents.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/meath-investigate-brawl-in-championship-match-1714382.html
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/whelan-leads-way-in-dublins-brawl-apology-1355919.html
Do you want to see how many articles can be put up in 2011 alone from Tyrone club football?
You have a serious problem up there and you seem to have no interest in sorting it out.
Sad state of affairs
Just out of interest go on ahead with the list of articles Indiana!
Quote from: eriugaMS on November 13, 2011, 10:33:38 PM
Quote from: eriugaMS on November 13, 2011, 10:08:20 PM
I know it reflects very bad on the GAA but an inner voice was saying -
'Best news i heard all week. Let the hores beat lumps out of each other...... ;D.......'
Sure what more would ye expect from the shower from that part of the country... It is in their blood and it wil never leave them to act like neanderthals...
A line from Mumford and sons springs to mind "So come out of your cave walking on your hands and see the world hanging upside down"
If I was pop band remarking on this incident i would be LMFAO ;)
Was it that funny that you had to post it twice?
A line springs to mind for me as well " Your a tool"
Pretty shameful replies from Tyrone posters in this thread.
QuoteThat was always going to happen. What incentive was there to not act the maggot?
So the supporters need incenvtives not to start brawls in the stand? ::)
QuoteAnd children in the crowd too, nobody was thinking of them! And parish priests having to witness it too, shocking!
Irony is the lowest form of wit, and that is a pathetic attempt at trying to downplay yet another example of disgraceful behaviour at club games.
Also, O'Neill tries to deflect attention by highlighting instances from other counties. That completely misses the point.
If everyone tries to ignore the problem or say "everyone else is doing it", then the problem will never be resolved, and in all likelyhood will get worse.
It's time supporters, clubs and county boards took some responsibility for themselves ffs.
Some of the comments on here from Tyrone folk are dissapointing. The scenes were shocking and undefendable so why attack the initial poster of this thread?
You then get another poster saying this happens in every county... bullshit of the highest order! It does not happen in every county, it mainly happens in Tyrone and very often happens in Antrim. After that it is highly unusual. Also, this may be controversial but it does seem that Carrickmore are stuck in the middle of this stuff every time it happens.
It's embarressing folks, wait till you see UTV and BBC having a field day now.
Quote from: ck on November 14, 2011, 09:33:22 AM
Some of the comments on here from Tyrone folk are dissapointing. The scenes were shocking and undefendable so why attack the initial poster of this thread?
You then get another poster saying this happens in every county... bullshit of the highest order! It does not happen in every county, it mainly happens in Tyrone and very often happens in Antrim. After that it is highly unusual. Also, this may be controversial but it does seem that Carrickmore are stuck in the middle of this stuff every time it happens.
It's embarressing folks, wait till you see UTV and BBC having a field day now.
You could add Derry to that as well.
Quote from: EC Unique on November 14, 2011, 09:50:19 AM
Quote from: ck on November 14, 2011, 09:33:22 AM
Some of the comments on here from Tyrone folk are dissapointing. The scenes were shocking and undefendable so why attack the initial poster of this thread?
You then get another poster saying this happens in every county... bullshit of the highest order! It does not happen in every county, it mainly happens in Tyrone and very often happens in Antrim. After that it is highly unusual. Also, this may be controversial but it does seem that Carrickmore are stuck in the middle of this stuff every time it happens.
It's embarressing folks, wait till you see UTV and BBC having a field day now.
You could add Derry to that as well.
In previous years maybe but in fairness there has been very little of that in Derry this year!
Ah now SE, 6 men received straight red cards in the Ballinderry v Kilrea Championship game. Granted it didnt spill into the crowd...
Lads don't turn this into a "but what about" argument. The reality is that there is a problem in the GAA in relation to violence, and I don't mean rough play I mean outright violence. The Rasharkin incident and now this one in such close proximity heighten the media attention and make it imperative that action is taken, is seen to be taken and is also stood over and not diluted at appeal stage. If it was my own club I would take the same approach. I was at an underage game the other day and a grandmother said something which was beyond what should be said at any game never mind a kids game and both her son and myself told her to mind her language, which she did. The opposition had a few choice supporters as well who were giving the ref abuse and one of the club officials went over to them and asked them to tone it down. These are small examples but as the staes get higher, this abuse takes on a different format and intensity. There needs to be zero tolerance shown for any transgressors here and I believe that the only way to punish the guilty parties is via heavy suspensions and banning of teams. There needs to be a line drawn and this policy needs to be stuck to and accepted by all clubs and teams.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 14, 2011, 10:03:35 AM
Lads don't turn this into a "but what about" argument. The reality is that there is a problem in the GAA in relation to violence, and I don't mean rough play I mean outright violence. The Rasharkin incident and now this one in such close proximity heighten the media attention and make it imperative that action is taken, is seen to be taken and is also stood over and not diluted at appeal stage. If it was my own club I would take the same approach. I was at an underage game the other day and a grandmother said something which was beyond what should be said at any game never mind a kids game and both her son and myself told her to mind her language, which she did. The opposition had a few choice supporters as well who were giving the ref abuse and one of the club officials went over to them and asked them to tone it down. These are small examples but as the staes get higher, this abuse takes on a different format and intensity. There needs to be zero tolerance shown for any transgressors here and I believe that the only way to punish the guilty parties is via heavy suspensions and banning of teams. There needs to be a line drawn and this policy needs to be stuck to and accepted by all clubs and teams.
Good post.
I hear Rasharkin are looking to transfer to the Tyrone leagues after their suspension in Antrim is up ;D
Quote from: Up The Middle on November 14, 2011, 09:06:13 AM
A line springs to mind for me as well " Your a tool"
It's a pity your mind was vacant when it was springing ;D
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on November 14, 2011, 09:59:51 AM
Ah now SE, 6 men received straight red cards in the Ballinderry v Kilrea Championship game. Granted it didnt spill into the crowd...
One incident in one game that the referee handled reasonably well would be a decent result for a year of Derry football... you have to start somewhere!
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on November 14, 2011, 10:31:56 AM
Clubs will then attempt to 'self-police' their supporters.
How about clubs self-policing their supporters off their own bat? Although in Tyrone it would probably involve baseball.
Was there not a bit of a handling at a youth final between Slaughtneil and Glen a few weeks back?
There doesnt need to be a complete change in the way things are currently done. What is needed is very simple. Every club has a certain type of supporter, some clubs are lumbered with more than others, who are a timebomb waiting to explode. They should be told they arent welcome, no matter what role they have in the club or what members of their families have done for the club past or present. Its the same people who repeatedly cause the trouble and get away with it.
Was at the game yesterday and it was rough to say the least.There seems to be alot of bad feeling between the clubs going back a few years now and that all came to a head yesterday.Co. board will be under pressure to act,will be interesting to see what they do.
Tyrone should take a look at Antrim's County Board, they handed out severe punishments to Rasharkin after the u21 match. I think their punishment was tough and hopefully it will have an impact. There should be heavy bans for both the clubs and individuals
Quote from: Club Rossa on November 14, 2011, 10:38:34 AM
Was there not a bit of a handling at a youth final between Slaughtneil and Glen a few weeks back?
this thread is getting very like the stephen nolan show with all this what aboutary
Simply pointing out to Screen that there was more than the one incident in Derry club football this year.
Quote from: Club Rossa on November 14, 2011, 11:15:24 AM
Simply pointing out to Screen that there was more than the one incident in Derry club football this year.
yip theres been a couple which there is no denying but none that made headline news
Quote from: rogueryhill on November 14, 2011, 10:34:01 AM
Quote from: Up The Middle on November 14, 2011, 09:06:13 AM
A line springs to mind for me as well " Your a tool"
It's a pity your mind was vacant when it was springing ;D
My apologies. You are a tool. 8)
Quote from: Jinxy on November 13, 2011, 11:57:54 PM
Yeah, circle the wagons all you want, but tomorrow the papers will probably have plenty of pictures in glorious technicolour, and it will be grist to the mill for the 'bogball' brigade.
Tyrone GAA people would want to sort this out once and for all.
I will assume this was in response to my mail preceding it. I was not circling the wagons, going into denial, or attempting whataboutery.
I was asking one Derry poster to clarify or back-up serious allegations he was making. If he can provide a witness statement he should be contacting the County board to enable to enable them to deal with this issue appropriately. If he is just repeating rumours he is doing us all a disservice adding to the tabloidesque media frenzy.
If things were as serious as alledged then the TCB should be gathering the information using means at their disposal, video evidence, refrerees report, statements from TCB & CCC members at the game and also from any Gaels prepared to step forward to help erradicate behaviour likely to drag our association through the mud.
Ardboe have been involved in many's a worse row than yesterday that never made the headlines.
Obviously because it was a final yesterday and with all the attention it brings it was going to make the news and rightly so.
infact i will just delete my last reply as i am now getting involved with whataboutary so i think i'l leave youse to it.
Quote from: Club Rossa on November 14, 2011, 10:51:53 AM
There seems to be alot of bad feeling between the clubs going back a few years now
To be fair, there is
a lot of bad feeling between
a lot of clubs in Tyrone. It's a bad feeling sort of place.
Quote from: Up The Middle on November 14, 2011, 11:29:52 AM
Quote from: rogueryhill on November 14, 2011, 10:34:01 AM
Quote from: Up The Middle on November 14, 2011, 09:06:13 AM
A line springs to mind for me as well " Your a tool"
It's a pity your mind was vacant when it was springing ;D
My apologies. You are a tool. 8)
I am that alright! Tool and proud... :D
bad handling to be at that craic yesetrday. not the 1st time either club were involved. the only way cb can do anything is to ban players for an amount of games - not time.
it does happen up and down the country - just it seems to happen in tyrone more at high profile games which is why the national press will be all over it.
louth - meath - armagh - monaghan - down and antrim. have seen major dust ups all the time in these counties but rarely at high profile games
Quote from: Club Rossa on November 14, 2011, 11:33:14 AM
Ardboe have been involved in many's a worse row than yesterday that never made the headlines.
Obviously because it was a final yesterday and with all the attention it brings it was going to make the news and rightly so.
You're not painting a good picture Rossa! You mean that list from Hospital Road was just a layer of scum on a deep ditch as it were?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 14, 2011, 10:03:35 AM
Lads don't turn this into a "but what about" argument. The reality is that there is a problem in the GAA in relation to violence, and I don't mean rough play I mean outright violence. The Rasharkin incident and now this one in such close proximity heighten the media attention and make it imperative that action is taken, is seen to be taken and is also stood over and not diluted at appeal stage. If it was my own club I would take the same approach. I was at an underage game the other day and a grandmother said something which was beyond what should be said at any game never mind a kids game and both her son and myself told her to mind her language, which she did. The opposition had a few choice supporters as well who were giving the ref abuse and one of the club officials went over to them and asked them to tone it down. These are small examples but as the staes get higher, this abuse takes on a different format and intensity. There needs to be zero tolerance shown for any transgressors here and I believe that the only way to punish the guilty parties is via heavy suspensions and banning of teams. There needs to be a line drawn and this policy needs to be stuck to and accepted by all clubs and teams.
Good post but you have to laugh at cursing grannys!!!
Whenever I see the name 'Carrickmore' I think to myself "Ah they're the lads that are always fighting".
Think about that for a second.
A club team that are known nationwide, not for their success on the field, but for regularly behaving like thugs.
Now there are probably some people within that club that relish this reputation.
They are morons and they need to be weeded out of the association.
For all I know Dromore could be just as bad but Carrickmore seem to be involved in a lot of dodgy stuff.
Rows on the field is one thing, opposition supporters attacking each other is an absolute disgrace.
Someone said sarcastically earlier "Won't somebody think of the children", well it mightn't be a bad idea as I can only imagine that any kids caught in the middle of the fighting were terrified out of their wits.
Quote from: Tubberman on November 14, 2011, 09:10:45 AM
Also, O'Neill tries to deflect attention by highlighting instances from other counties. That completely misses the point.
If everyone tries to ignore the problem or say "everyone else is doing it", then the problem will never be resolved, and in all likelyhood will get worse.
It's time supporters, clubs and county boards took some responsibility for themselves ffs.
I'm afraid it is not me who missed the point. I wasn't addressing a point. I was meeting one idiotic poster's ravings with another idiotic comment.
It's extremely easy to see through those who will use this as a bit of an opportunity for gratification.
I'd throw the book at whoever is found guilty, individuals and clubs. Should everyone in the club suffer for the actions of a few maggots? In my book yes (to an extent - leave the underage out of it) because it can stimulate healthy debate on a code of conduct and internal discipline. The Rasharkin incident set the standard here for initial punishment and I think the protagonists on Sunday will receive a similar fate. Ulster GAA should be lauded if that's the case. I just hope the rest of Ireland's provinces will be as clinical when they've a similar situation to address.
Quote from: Jinxy on November 14, 2011, 12:19:24 PM
Someone said sarcastically earlier "Won't somebody think of the children", well it mightn't be a bad idea as I can only imagine that any kids caught in the middle of the fighting were terrified out of their wits.
But these would be Tyrone kids - all in a days football. No responsible parent from outside the county would bring kids to a Tyrone club match ffs.
Quote from: Jinxy on November 14, 2011, 12:19:24 PM
Whenever I see the name 'Carrickmore' I think to myself "Ah they're the lads that are always fighting".
Think about that for a second.
A club team that are known nationwide, not for their success on the field, but for regularly behaving like thugs.
Now there are probably some people within that club that relish this reputation.
They are morons and they need to be weeded out of the association.
For all I know Dromore could be just as bad but Carrickmore seem to be involved in a lot of dodgy stuff.
Rows on the field is one thing, opposition supporters attacking each other is an absolute disgrace.
Someone said sarcastically earlier "Won't somebody think of the children", well it mightn't be a bad idea as I can only imagine that any kids caught in the middle of the fighting were terrified out of their wits.
I know what you mean. When I hear "Meath", I think "inbred thugs".
As for opposition supporters attacking another, can you honestly say that if you were standing at a match with your own clubs supporters and a supporter from the opposing club reached over the wire and hit one of your players across the head with an umbrella, that nobody from your clubs supporters standing there would react? That's not supporting what happened, just pointing out that it takes two to tango lads.
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 12:56:53 PM
As for opposition supporters attacking another, can you honestly say that if you were standing at a match with your own clubs supporters and a supporter from the opposing club reached over the wire and hit one of your players across the head with an umbrella, that nobody from your clubs supporters standing there would react? That's not supporting what happened, just pointing out that it takes two to tango lads.
Possibly, but there would be plenty enough sensible heads about to step in and diffuse the situation rather than fuel it.
It would be easy for me to come on as an armagh man and be all smug, but that's bull. The tone of this thread is rotten. The likes of indiana and jinxy using it as a chance of cheapshots at another county, who have been much more successful than their own over the last decade. Of course these things are bad, but some of you guys are worse than the likes of BBC who we always give out about for gloryifying this crap.
On the other hand, the 2 clubs need to wise up, certainly the league seems to be taken a lot more seriously in tyrone. In armagh no one would get too carried away about winning the div 1 league ( and there has been plenty of clubs outside cross who have done it in the last decade). It's november and if your not playing in the ulster club then you should be putting your feet up until january.
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 12:56:53 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 14, 2011, 12:19:24 PM
Whenever I see the name 'Carrickmore' I think to myself "Ah they're the lads that are always fighting".
Think about that for a second.
A club team that are known nationwide, not for their success on the field, but for regularly behaving like thugs.
Now there are probably some people within that club that relish this reputation.
They are morons and they need to be weeded out of the association.
For all I know Dromore could be just as bad but Carrickmore seem to be involved in a lot of dodgy stuff.
Rows on the field is one thing, opposition supporters attacking each other is an absolute disgrace.
Someone said sarcastically earlier "Won't somebody think of the children", well it mightn't be a bad idea as I can only imagine that any kids caught in the middle of the fighting were terrified out of their wits.
I know what you mean. When I hear "Meath", I think "inbred thugs".
As for opposition supporters attacking another, can you honestly say that if you were standing at a match with your own clubs supporters and a supporter from the opposing club reached over the wire and hit one of your players across the head with an umbrella, that nobody from your clubs supporters standing there would react? That's not supporting what happened, just pointing out that it takes two to tango lads.
Well done. You start off with an irrelevant dig at Meath - the 'whataboutery' that ye seem to detest so much when you're on the receiving end.
Then you try to paint the picture that supporters were only defending themselves :D
There were no agressors I suppose, just lads trying to defend their communities. They're to be commended rather than criticised ::)
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 14, 2011, 01:03:02 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 12:56:53 PM
As for opposition supporters attacking another, can you honestly say that if you were standing at a match with your own clubs supporters and a supporter from the opposing club reached over the wire and hit one of your players across the head with an umbrella, that nobody from your clubs supporters standing there would react? That's not supporting what happened, just pointing out that it takes two to tango lads.
Possibly, but there would be plenty enough sensible heads about to step in and diffuse the situation rather than fuel it.
Nonsense. Had someone at any game anywhere in Ireland leaned over the wire at a final and attacked an opposing club player with an umbrella, the end result would have been no different. Suggesting otherwise is utterly fanciful.
Quote from: ONeill on November 14, 2011, 12:22:20 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on November 14, 2011, 09:10:45 AM
Also, O'Neill tries to deflect attention by highlighting instances from other counties. That completely misses the point.
If everyone tries to ignore the problem or say "everyone else is doing it", then the problem will never be resolved, and in all likelyhood will get worse.
It's time supporters, clubs and county boards took some responsibility for themselves ffs.
I'm afraid it is not me who missed the point. I wasn't addressing a point. I was meeting one idiotic poster's ravings with another idiotic comment.
It's extremely easy to see through those who will use this as a bit of an opportunity for gratification.
I'd throw the book at whoever is found guilty, individuals and clubs. Should everyone in the club suffer for the actions of a few maggots? In my book yes (to an extent - leave the underage out of it) because it can stimulate healthy debate on a code of conduct and internal discipline. The Rasharkin incident set the standard here for initial punishment and I think the protagonists on Sunday will receive a similar fate. Ulster GAA should be lauded if that's the case. I just hope the rest of Ireland's provinces will be as clinical when if they've a similar situation to address.
Thankfully supporters brawling is not a common feature of club games in Connacht.
Quote from: Tubberman on November 14, 2011, 01:07:56 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 12:56:53 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 14, 2011, 12:19:24 PM
Whenever I see the name 'Carrickmore' I think to myself "Ah they're the lads that are always fighting".
Think about that for a second.
A club team that are known nationwide, not for their success on the field, but for regularly behaving like thugs.
Now there are probably some people within that club that relish this reputation.
They are morons and they need to be weeded out of the association.
For all I know Dromore could be just as bad but Carrickmore seem to be involved in a lot of dodgy stuff.
Rows on the field is one thing, opposition supporters attacking each other is an absolute disgrace.
Someone said sarcastically earlier "Won't somebody think of the children", well it mightn't be a bad idea as I can only imagine that any kids caught in the middle of the fighting were terrified out of their wits.
I know what you mean. When I hear "Meath", I think "inbred thugs".
As for opposition supporters attacking another, can you honestly say that if you were standing at a match with your own clubs supporters and a supporter from the opposing club reached over the wire and hit one of your players across the head with an umbrella, that nobody from your clubs supporters standing there would react? That's not supporting what happened, just pointing out that it takes two to tango lads.
Well done. You start off with an irrelevant dig at Meath - the 'whataboutery' that ye seem to detest so much when you're on the receiving end.
Then you try to paint the picture that supporters were only defending themselves :D
There were no agressors I suppose, just lads trying to defend their communities. They're to be commended rather than criticised ::)
FFS sake the man starting this thread is a WUM and enjoys pops at Tyrone. Whats good for the goose etc.
And quote where I said anything about supporters defending themselves please. I said that if a supporter attacks one of your players with an umbrella over the fence, any opposing clubs supporters would react. Defending themselves?? Its a bad state of affairs when you have to put words in my mouth so you can find something to disagree with.
What way do you think it'll go now Nally.
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 01:11:46 PM
FFS sake the man starting this thread is a WUM and enjoys pops at Tyrone. Whats good for the goose etc.
And quote where I said anything about supporters defending themselves please. I said that if a supporter attacks one of your players with an umbrella over the fence, any opposing clubs supporters would react. Defending themselves?? Its a bad state of affairs when you have to put words in my mouth so you can find something to disagree with.
A Louth supporter clocked Brian Lacey over the head with an umbrella after a championship match in Navan a few years ago and the easy going Kildare folk on the terraces were only laughing at the aggressor.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/gardai-investigate-fans-assault-on-lacey-307812.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/gardai-investigate-fans-assault-on-lacey-307812.html)
Then again, why would we bother reacting any different? Lacey wasn't exactly one of our own!
Quote from: rrhf on November 14, 2011, 01:20:30 PM
What way do you think it'll go now Nally.
Hard to know. Will all depend on the refs report and more so, the video. The fact that the ref didn't sanction any Dromore players who were throwing punches doesn't seem like a good omen as far as his report is concerned!
One thing is certain, league play-offs are a farce.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 14, 2011, 01:22:20 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 01:11:46 PM
FFS sake the man starting this thread is a WUM and enjoys pops at Tyrone. Whats good for the goose etc.
And quote where I said anything about supporters defending themselves please. I said that if a supporter attacks one of your players with an umbrella over the fence, any opposing clubs supporters would react. Defending themselves?? Its a bad state of affairs when you have to put words in my mouth so you can find something to disagree with.
A Louth supporter clocked Brian Lacey over the head with an umbrella after a championship match in Navan a few years ago and the easy going Kildare folk on the terraces were only laughing at the aggressor.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/gardai-investigate-fans-assault-on-lacey-307812.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/gardai-investigate-fans-assault-on-lacey-307812.html)
Then again, why would we bother reacting any different? Lacey wasn't exactly one of our own!
County games are whole other animal. Imagine your own clubman on the pitch, playing in a final, and getting hit across the head by an opposition supporter and a stand full of the player's family, friends and neighbours standing at the scene. The end result would be the same at any match around Ireland. It's fanciful to suggest otherwise. Again, not condoning it, just stressing that it takes two to tango.
I wouldnt disagree with you there. Back to club football though. Does anyone have the draws for the under 21 championship.
Clonoe v Omagh
Dromore/Cookstown v Donaghmore
Id have thought Omagh from that bunch with their record of success at minor and under 16 level.
Saw a quote in the Irish News today...
"Terrified children crouched in stands as the mass brawl spread, with one individual using an 'umbrella as a weapon', according to an eyewitness."
Absolute disgrace. That De Chastelain has a lot to answer for...
Brolly is a tool ;)
Quote from: rogueryhill on November 14, 2011, 01:47:00 PM
Saw a quote in the Irish News today...
"Terrified children crouched in stands as the mass brawl spread, with one individual using an 'umbrella as a weapon', according to an eyewitness."
Absolute disgrace. That De Chastelain has a lot to answer for...
...and they could have illustrated it better. The kid in the centre of the closeup picture looks more curious than terrified ;D
Terrible terrible image
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/56702000/jpg/_56702404_fightingattyronegaagame2.jpg)
Quote from: Orior on November 14, 2011, 02:05:26 PM
Terrible terrible image
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/56702000/jpg/_56702404_fightingattyronegaagame2.jpg)
Should be easy identified anyway.
There seems to be a lot of handlings involving Carrickmore, they make the like of Urney seem like Saints. But can someone shed an impartial light on what happened yesterday?
Quote from: LeoMc on November 14, 2011, 02:08:18 PM
Quote from: Orior on November 14, 2011, 02:05:26 PM
Terrible terrible image
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/56702000/jpg/_56702404_fightingattyronegaagame2.jpg)
Should be easy identified anyway.
Slightly disturbed by the look on the face of Brian Gormleys child.
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Quote from: LeoMc on November 14, 2011, 02:08:18 PM
Quote from: Orior on November 14, 2011, 02:05:26 PM
Terrible terrible image
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/56702000/jpg/_56702404_fightingattyronegaagame2.jpg)
Should be easy identified anyway.
Slightly disturbed by the look on the face of Brian Gormleys child.
I don't understand how anyone who watches sport has to turn to violence to make a point.
Why doesn't the GAA insist on measuring penis length of the perpetrators and the longest one wins.
Quote from: Orior on November 14, 2011, 02:05:26 PM
Terrible terrible image
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/56702000/jpg/_56702404_fightingattyronegaagame2.jpg)
That is bad. Really bad. A disgrace to the GAA. :-\
Quote from: EC Unique on November 14, 2011, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: Orior on November 14, 2011, 02:05:26 PM
Terrible terrible image
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/56702000/jpg/_56702404_fightingattyronegaagame2.jpg)
That is bad. Really bad. A disgrace to the GAA. :-\
A terrible image alright. I wonder why the Irish News chose not to print that picture? (the one that was printed was before/after this moment and less damning). Was it because of noble intentions towards the GAA or on legal advice?
Someone made a good point about the league being taken too seriously. When Derry went to an 8 team league and playing every team twice and the bottom 2 relegated it was a disaster. I think one weekend there were mass brawls in all 4 games.
Now with the league back to 16 teams there has been less of that kind of thing and I think it's a much better system and allows teams more of a chance to build for the Championship without fear of relegation!
I keep saying it and will continue until it becomes GAA policy - assaults on officials and spectators are far beyond a GAA disciplinary issue. They are criminal acts and a matter for the police. It must become a GAA rule that all such incidents are reported to the police of the relevant jurisdiction.
Quote from: screenexile on November 14, 2011, 02:33:55 PM
Someone made a good point about the league being taken too seriously. When Derry went to an 8 team league and playing every team twice and the bottom 2 relegated it was a disaster. I think one weekend there were mass brawls in all 4 games.
Now with the league back to 16 teams there has been less of that kind of thing and I think it's a much better system and allows teams more of a chance to build for the Championship without fear of relegation!
Maybe Derry folk have just matured over the years :D Antrim have 10 team leagues, playing every team twice with 2 up/2 down for a good lock of years now and no mass brawls that I can recall. Championship is the problem in Antrim ;D
Quote from: Hardy on November 14, 2011, 02:37:28 PM
I keep saying it and will continue until it becomes GAA policy - assaults on officials and spectators are far beyond a GAA disciplinary issue. They are criminal acts and a matter for the police. It must become a GAA rule that all such incidents are reported to the police of the relevant jurisdiction.
Good luck to an RUC Officer going around Carrickmore trying to get witness statements is all I can say! You'd have more chance persuading Jim McGuinness to line his team out man for man!
It's bizarre that Tyrone posters are choosing to have a go at me rather than discuss the actual topic.
All wumming aside lads.
Look at that picture for christs sake.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 14, 2011, 02:09:33 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 14, 2011, 02:08:18 PM
Quote from: Orior on November 14, 2011, 02:05:26 PM
Terrible terrible image
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/56702000/jpg/_56702404_fightingattyronegaagame2.jpg)
Should be easy identified anyway.
Slightly disturbed by the look on the face of Brian Gormleys child.
Not nice at all, the arsehole in the coat with the contorted face has a child of the same age.
disgraceful scenes, pitch closings, long bans for players and club members involved in fighting. the mentor from Carrickmore who was banned for life from ladies football involved at all?
Quote from: ONeill on November 14, 2011, 12:22:20 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on November 14, 2011, 09:10:45 AM
Also, O'Neill tries to deflect attention by highlighting instances from other counties. That completely misses the point.
If everyone tries to ignore the problem or say "everyone else is doing it", then the problem will never be resolved, and in all likelyhood will get worse.
It's time supporters, clubs and county boards took some responsibility for themselves ffs.
I'm afraid it is not me who missed the point. I wasn't addressing a point. I was meeting one idiotic poster's ravings with another idiotic comment.
It's extremely easy to see through those who will use this as a bit of an opportunity for gratification.
I'd throw the book at whoever is found guilty, individuals and clubs. Should everyone in the club suffer for the actions of a few maggots? In my book yes (to an extent - leave the underage out of it) because it can stimulate healthy debate on a code of conduct and internal discipline. The Rasharkin incident set the standard here for initial punishment and I think the protagonists on Sunday will receive a similar fate. Ulster GAA should be lauded if that's the case. I just hope the rest of Ireland's provinces will be as clinical when they've a similar situation to address.
Are you referring to me?
What exactly did I say that was idiotic?
I fear this violence is going to spill across the border.
Lets not be fooled by this. Carrickmore will not be severly reprimanded, the county board are scared of them.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on November 14, 2011, 03:10:54 PM
Lets not be fooled by this. Carrickmore will not be severly reprimanded, the county board are scared of them.
:D
You disagree Nally?
any link to site showing the pictures?
Quote from: screenexile on November 14, 2011, 02:33:55 PM
Someone made a good point about the league being taken too seriously. When Derry went to an 8 team league and playing every team twice and the bottom 2 relegated it was a disaster. I think one weekend there were mass brawls in all 4 games.
Now with the league back to 16 teams there has been less of that kind of thing and I think it's a much better system and allows teams more of a chance to build for the Championship without fear of relegation!
We have a 16 team league adn we still get these scenes. :-[
We would 1 division of 50 and no relegation with everyone getting a medal for taking part :(
Quote from: Jinxy on November 14, 2011, 02:49:32 PM
It's bizarre that Tyrone posters are choosing to have a go at me rather than discuss the actual topic.
All wumming aside lads.
Look at that picture for christs sake.
People always like to shoot the messenger, especially when he lacks credibility. Anyone who's been on here for a while knows your agenda. Topic is a serious one, so you should have left it to another person to raise it.
Quote from: Main Street on November 14, 2011, 03:03:49 PM
I fear this violence is going to spill across the border.
Into Derry or Armagh??
More pics here:
http://www.u.tv/Galleries/Carrickmore-v-Dromore-Brawl-Erupts/6BD18E5B-3657-43E3-BEE0-CC3A9FBF23CD
In fairness to Tyrone people, most of the crowd have a look of shock on their faces. Matters not helped by the Carrickmore no 19 trying to climb the wire to get into the crowd.
http://www.u.tv/Galleries/GalleryPicture.aspx?guid=6BD18E5B-3657-43E3-BEE0-CC3A9FBF23CD&ImgId=189608
The Carrickmore nos 2 & 10 need to visit a competent barber.
Quote from: tyssam5 on November 14, 2011, 03:45:48 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 14, 2011, 02:49:32 PM
It's bizarre that Tyrone posters are choosing to have a go at me rather than discuss the actual topic.
All wumming aside lads.
Look at that picture for christs sake.
People always like to shoot the messenger, especially when he lacks credibility. Anyone who's been on here for a while knows your agenda. Topic is a serious one, so you should have left it to another person to raise it.
What's my agenda then?
Quote from: AQMP on November 14, 2011, 03:58:31 PM
More pics here:
http://www.u.tv/Galleries/Carrickmore-v-Dromore-Brawl-Erupts/6BD18E5B-3657-43E3-BEE0-CC3A9FBF23CD
In fairness to Tyrone people, most of the crowd have a look of shock on their faces. Matters not helped by the Carrickmore no 19 trying to climb the wire to get into the crowd.
http://www.u.tv/Galleries/GalleryPicture.aspx?guid=6BD18E5B-3657-43E3-BEE0-CC3A9FBF23CD&ImgId=189608
The Carrickmore nos 2 & 10 need to visit a competent barber.
Disgraceful behaviour by those Offaly lads
If I've exaggerated the incident or included any erroneous information please point out where.
Quote from: Jinxy on November 13, 2011, 05:35:13 PM
Players and supporters killing each other up there again today. ::)
Dragging the good name of the association through the mud for the umpteenth time.
Will they ever learn?
Ah gimme a break.
It's a figure of speech.
Very few colloquial terms used to describe physical violence are meant literally.
It's why you never see someone actually being 'burst'.
Quote from: AQMP on November 14, 2011, 03:58:31 PM
More pics here:
http://www.u.tv/Galleries/Carrickmore-v-Dromore-Brawl-Erupts/6BD18E5B-3657-43E3-BEE0-CC3A9FBF23CD
In fairness to Tyrone people, most of the crowd have a look of shock on their faces. Matters not helped by the Carrickmore no 19 trying to climb the wire to get into the crowd.
http://www.u.tv/Galleries/GalleryPicture.aspx?guid=6BD18E5B-3657-43E3-BEE0-CC3A9FBF23CD&ImgId=189608
The Carrickmore nos 2 & 10 need to visit a competent barber.
Where are the Dromore players?
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on November 14, 2011, 04:37:09 PM
Quote from: AQMP on November 14, 2011, 03:58:31 PM
More pics here:
http://www.u.tv/Galleries/Carrickmore-v-Dromore-Brawl-Erupts/6BD18E5B-3657-43E3-BEE0-CC3A9FBF23CD
In fairness to Tyrone people, most of the crowd have a look of shock on their faces. Matters not helped by the Carrickmore no 19 trying to climb the wire to get into the crowd.
http://www.u.tv/Galleries/GalleryPicture.aspx?guid=6BD18E5B-3657-43E3-BEE0-CC3A9FBF23CD&ImgId=189608
The Carrickmore nos 2 & 10 need to visit a competent barber.
Where are the Dromore players?
Already in the crowd??
Brawls, diggin sessions, call them what you want have happened up and down the country since the start of the GAA. Let's not get haughty here.
I've a very good friend from Cork who has it instilled in his head that Northeners and Northern matches are particularly rough and dirty. In almost the same breath he'll tell me about the killing sessions they would have when they played the Kerry teams-having to make a run for the bus after a match and violence continuing into the nearby town that night.
An older relative of my wife's from a certain Connaught county received a ban for attacking a ref mid-game and has been known to scale the fence on several occasions-honest family man who just loses the head at matches.
My point is that these things do happen all over the country and always have done so. From the photos there, it seems to be one or two lunatics in the crowd that have lost control and they should be banned for life-for their own good and the good of other decent supporters and young children.
Carrickmore and dromore are extremely competitive and successful outfits who are going to be in the limelight more than most and they should curtail the chance of any more bad publicity with meaningful club statements and punishments to suit.
Interesting to see that the BBC Northern-Ireland website have a "Violent scenes at Tyrone GAA game" main headline for half the day when the can't seem to use the letters "GAA" to categorise the sport in the sporting headlines, preferring to use "Northern Ireland" when every other sport from soccer to boxing is categorised correctly-gobshites.
The BBC always jump on violence in gaelic matches.
Would agree with a lot here about it being exaggerated somewhat.
Our games are very physical and tempers will get extremely frayed at times.
What we need to nip in the bud is anyone who is messing with referees and people fighting in crowds. Fighting in crowds is neandethral behaviour of the highest order. I have played in matches, interestingly against the club of someone taking the "high ground", where a fellow player was attacked by an angry woman wielding an umbrella.While it was mildyly amusing it isn't behaviour that should be tolerated. You understand the odd bout of fisticuffs on the field but not in the stand. I would agree here that police should get involved in this - boys like that in the crowd have no place in the GAA.
Quote from: Hospital Road on November 14, 2011, 05:01:40 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 14, 2011, 01:03:02 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 12:56:53 PM
As for opposition supporters attacking another, can you honestly say that if you were standing at a match with your own clubs supporters and a supporter from the opposing club reached over the wire and hit one of your players across the head with an umbrella, that nobody from your clubs supporters standing there would react? That's not supporting what happened, just pointing out that it takes two to tango lads.
Possibly, but there would be plenty enough sensible heads about to step in and diffuse the situation rather than fuel it.
Nonsense. Had someone at any game anywhere in Ireland leaned over the wire at a final and attacked an opposing club player with an umbrella, the end result would have been no different. Suggesting otherwise is utterly fanciful.
most towns and villages in ireland arent full of people who have itchy fingers ready to get involved in a fight at any time and boast about it
have you rung marty mcguiness to get this sorted yet?
I'd say he's right and busy-sure hasn't he just sorted out the Presidency? ;)
From Moortown's book. Nostalgia.
EXTRACT FROM 1972......
it would be a poor year which did not have some amusing memories. Pat Devlin Ban, who received his transfer from the defunct Rock club to Moortown in June 1972, and who had done much of the work on the new field, raised some eyebrows when he togged out complete with a hairnet. This, however, did not faze those Moortown players who, the previous November, had played against the Rock in truly arctic conditions, and had witnessed, in the words of an incredulous Moortown official - "Pat Ban at full-back for the Rock with an oul gabardine coat over his strip, a bad green woolly hat on his head, and repelling all invaders from the Rock square".
The fight at Urney was another incident which has remained vivid in the minds of those who were present. On Sunday 26 November, a clear, dry winter's day, Moortown travelled to Urney in desperate need of points. The players travelled in style, as they had done throughout the season, in their very own bus with player Pat Ban at the wheel. One man who came along for a day out was Eddie Coyle, who had occasionally played in goal for Moortown sides from as early as 1943. In fact Eddie's trip was motivated by a bout of nostalgia, for he had been a reserve for the last Moortown team that had travelled to Urney for an All-county league game, away back in April 1951. Moortown officials were thin on the ground at Urney (in 1972) so Eddie willingly agreed to be an umpire. Not long into the game a row broke out and it quickly developed into a field-fight in the vicinity of the Moortown goals. The years fell away from Eddie as he immediately became embroiled in the fracas, using his umpire's flag to good effect. Most of the Moortown players gave a good account of themselves, with Mickey Crozier, Mark Quinn, and Gerry Ryan in particular defending their club's honour with relish. Later the referee was persuaded to return from the safety of his car and resume his duties. At the end of the match the Urney people provided a good tea for their visitors and all was well, save that Urney had won the game by ten points to three. Moortown put their defeat down to the fantastic contours of the playing field (it was not possible to see the lower half of the goalposts from some parts of the pitch) but in reality that was the feeblest of excuses. No one was more delighted with the day's proceedings than Eddie Coyle -
I was convinced that the present-day footballers were soft compared to my day, that is, until the whole thing erupted round me. It was years since I had seen a good field-fight like that. Men from both sides were going at it hammer and tongs. I saw an Urney man running after a Moortown man, and Mickey Crozier after both of them, across a shough, into the next field and out of it again. Aw, it was a powerful day's futball.
The more things change the more things stay the same. Them Urney ones are a bundle of thugs! :D
Quote from: Whishtup on November 14, 2011, 05:15:10 PM
Quote from: Hospital Road on November 14, 2011, 05:01:40 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 14, 2011, 01:03:02 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 12:56:53 PM
As for opposition supporters attacking another, can you honestly say that if you were standing at a match with your own clubs supporters and a supporter from the opposing club reached over the wire and hit one of your players across the head with an umbrella, that nobody from your clubs supporters standing there would react? That's not supporting what happened, just pointing out that it takes two to tango lads.
Possibly, but there would be plenty enough sensible heads about to step in and diffuse the situation rather than fuel it.
Nonsense. Had someone at any game anywhere in Ireland leaned over the wire at a final and attacked an opposing club player with an umbrella, the end result would have been no different. Suggesting otherwise is utterly fanciful.
most towns and villages in ireland arent full of people who have itchy fingers ready to get involved in a fight at any time and boast about it
have you rung marty mcguiness to get this sorted yet?
I'd say he's right and busy-sure hasn't he just sorted out the Presidency? ;)
Talking of the Presidency, does the just retired President not tell stories of how she was an umbrella-wielding-pitch-invader in her youth when Martin was playing?
Quote from: Hospital Road on November 14, 2011, 05:01:40 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 14, 2011, 01:03:02 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 12:56:53 PM
As for opposition supporters attacking another, can you honestly say that if you were standing at a match with your own clubs supporters and a supporter from the opposing club reached over the wire and hit one of your players across the head with an umbrella, that nobody from your clubs supporters standing there would react? That's not supporting what happened, just pointing out that it takes two to tango lads.
Possibly, but there would be plenty enough sensible heads about to step in and diffuse the situation rather than fuel it.
Nonsense. Had someone at any game anywhere in Ireland leaned over the wire at a final and attacked an opposing club player with an umbrella, the end result would have been no different. Suggesting otherwise is utterly fanciful.
most towns and villages in ireland arent full of people who have itchy fingers ready to get involved in a fight at any time and boast about it
have you rung marty mcguiness to get this sorted yet?
Who's boasting?
Joe.ie has a quare take on the type of umbrella used.
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 01:30:04 PM
...Again, not condoning it, just stressing that it takes two to tango.
Not the Carmen's fault that they're the Tyrone Tango champions! ;)
some tyrone/carmen folk on here sound like unionist politicians with all the whatabouttery.
disgraceful scenes - no doubt the punishment (if given) will be appealed and overturned - tyrone cb dont exactly do their job in many instances
Quote from: Mont on November 14, 2011, 06:05:50 PM
some tyrone/carmen folk on here sound like unionist politicians with all the whatabouttery.
disgraceful scenes - no doubt the punishment (if given) will be appealed and overturned - tyrone cb dont exactly do their job in many instances
Any examples of whataboutery from Carmen posters?
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 12:56:53 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 14, 2011, 12:19:24 PM
Whenever I see the name 'Carrickmore' I think to myself "Ah they're the lads that are always fighting".
Think about that for a second.
A club team that are known nationwide, not for their success on the field, but for regularly behaving like thugs.
Now there are probably some people within that club that relish this reputation.
They are morons and they need to be weeded out of the association.
For all I know Dromore could be just as bad but Carrickmore seem to be involved in a lot of dodgy stuff.
Rows on the field is one thing, opposition supporters attacking each other is an absolute disgrace.
Someone said sarcastically earlier "Won't somebody think of the children", well it mightn't be a bad idea as I can only imagine that any kids caught in the middle of the fighting were terrified out of their wits.
I know what you mean. When I hear "Meath", I think "inbred thugs".
As for opposition supporters attacking another, can you honestly say that if you were standing at a match with your own clubs supporters and a supporter from the opposing club reached over the wire and hit one of your players across the head with an umbrella, that nobody from your clubs supporters standing there would react? That's not supporting what happened, just pointing out that it takes two to tango lads.
whatabouttery - but sure u will prob say different
call a spade a spade - ur club have been involved with more issues than most and have disciplinary issues
Tyrone club football...topic title is misleading.
tyrone cb chairman was on tv there and mentioned it being an isolated incident :-\
what is isolated?
fighting at games - supporters fighting - all out brawls - supporters hitting referees/officials
Quote from: Mont on November 14, 2011, 06:52:56 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 12:56:53 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 14, 2011, 12:19:24 PM
Whenever I see the name 'Carrickmore' I think to myself "Ah they're the lads that are always fighting".
Think about that for a second.
A club team that are known nationwide, not for their success on the field, but for regularly behaving like thugs.
Now there are probably some people within that club that relish this reputation.
They are morons and they need to be weeded out of the association.
For all I know Dromore could be just as bad but Carrickmore seem to be involved in a lot of dodgy stuff.
Rows on the field is one thing, opposition supporters attacking each other is an absolute disgrace.
Someone said sarcastically earlier "Won't somebody think of the children", well it mightn't be a bad idea as I can only imagine that any kids caught in the middle of the fighting were terrified out of their wits.
I know what you mean. When I hear "Meath", I think "inbred thugs".
As for opposition supporters attacking another, can you honestly say that if you were standing at a match with your own clubs supporters and a supporter from the opposing club reached over the wire and hit one of your players across the head with an umbrella, that nobody from your clubs supporters standing there would react? That's not supporting what happened, just pointing out that it takes two to tango lads.
whatabouttery - but sure u will prob say different
call a spade a spade - ur club have been involved with more issues than most and have disciplinary issues
That is a WUMing response to a bit of WUMing by the threads opening poster. You need to look up your definition of whataboutery. Where did any Carmen poster refer to a different brawl in a "whatabout" type argument? Throw a quote out there. Personally, my posts have only pointed out how the crowd brawl began and how the end result would be the same anywhere. No "whatabout" any other fights.
In fairness to Nally, no one from the crowd should interfere with a player. That is wrong and although Carmen have a disciplinary issue as long as big Oz, Dromore are no shrinking violets whenever it comes to the dark arts.
Was Ward running around stirring stuff and then running off before he has to back it up. He has to be the most hateful player in the Tyrone ACL. (He could be a charming gentleman off the pitch)
Sorry for being lazy here but dont have the time to read all 9 pages on here.. would someone mind giving me a quick summary of what wenton at the game yesterday ?? ??? We had a similar incident in Donegal some months back aswell.... big fight broke out after a game
Out of interest, the man that struck the player on the pitch with the umbrella - was this during the melee which began on the pitch? Was there any bother in the stand before this or did it stem from the umbrella strike? If so, you have to say that the umbrella wielding man has a lot to answer. Granted it seemed to get awfully out of hand afterwards but you can't hit someone over the wire with an umbrella and not expect a reaction.
He probably picked the wrong match to start swinging umbrella's as well to be fair...
What size was the umbrella? Going by the pics on the previous page, it must've had a large hook on her. Or did he row with the player, the player move towards the wire, yer man jump up on the wire.....did anyone actually see the incident in order to shed light on it? Who was the player?
The number 19 jumped the wire as a small child(possibly his own) was close to the brawl.
Quote from: screenmachine on November 14, 2011, 07:45:36 PM
Out of interest, the man that struck the player on the pitch with the umbrella - was this during the melee which began on the pitch? Was there any bother in the stand before this or did it stem from the umbrella strike? If so, you have to say that the umbrella wielding man has a lot to answer. Granted it seemed to get awfully out of hand afterwards but you can't hit someone over the wire with an umbrella and not expect a reaction.
He probably picked the wrong match to start swinging umbrella's as well to be fair...
While I realise the seriousness of the situation I can't help but laugh.
I can picture it now, your quintessential Tyrone man, no doubt slabbered the whole match, sporting an awful moustache, talks like he's got his mouth full, thinking he's heman hitting a player with an umbrella. Can't even imagine he hit him that hard either. Him too thick and cocky to think he might get hit back or a row would kick off. There are good people in Tyrone but by God there are some amount of breeds.
The story goes as follows, allegedly, Dromore supporter reached over the wire and struck a Carrickmore player. Sorry O'Neill but there was no hook involved. Just to confuse matters, the umbrella was in the Carrickmore colours but wielded by a Dromore man, some would say he wasnt the brightest spark. There had been no trouble in the crowd before that, well nothing beyond the normal.
Why was the Carrickmore player at the wire? Was there slabbering going on between the two?
Quote from: fitzroyalty on November 14, 2011, 07:53:45 PM
Quote from: screenmachine on November 14, 2011, 07:45:36 PM
Out of interest, the man that struck the player on the pitch with the umbrella - was this during the melee which began on the pitch? Was there any bother in the stand before this or did it stem from the umbrella strike? If so, you have to say that the umbrella wielding man has a lot to answer. Granted it seemed to get awfully out of hand afterwards but you can't hit someone over the wire with an umbrella and not expect a reaction.
He probably picked the wrong match to start swinging umbrella's as well to be fair...
While I realise the seriousness of the situation I can't help but laugh.
I can picture it now, your quintessential Tyrone man, no doubt slabbered the whole match, sporting an awful moustache, talks like he's got his mouth full, thinking he's heman hitting a player with an umbrella. Can't even imagine he hit him that hard either. Him too thick and cocky to think he might get hit back or a row would kick off. There are good people in Tyrone but by God there are some amount of breeds.
And I can imagine the good old Lurgan people at a club championship game with the blue bags in tow slabbering "offside" or "handball" whilst wearing their best Celtic tops and freeing Ireland from their bar stool all whilst accepting their disability allowance in the queen's sterling.
There are some breeds in Tyrone alright, but give me any of our breeds over your breeds anyday.
The Tyrone league games are like nothing that any Armagh club person has encountered in their own county. Maybe its the domination of the county by Cross but there are certain games you know are going to end up in a pitched battle because the players put everything on the line. I dont blame either of the club's for what goes on between the white lines but this craic of what happens in the stand is disgraceful. And as I said the man that waved the umbrella is at fault but Crarrickmore dont need an invitation to start swinging either on the field or off it.
Quote from: Mont on November 14, 2011, 07:05:23 PM
tyrone cb chairman was on tv there and mentioned it being an isolated incident :-\
what is isolated?
fighting at games - supporters fighting - all out brawls - supporters hitting referees/officials
Its about as isolated an event as the sun rising in Tyrone. there is definitely a higher incidence in Tyrone then elsewhere.
I'd agree with BC a few pages back (first time ever I'd say)- the GAA needs to life ban across the board on these incidents in every county. And foster a culture in all counties where this sort of crap is outlawed.
Ban them as they enter the ground, let the row go on, then only those successful appealing their ban are allowed back to GAA.
Quote from: screenmachine on November 14, 2011, 07:45:36 PM
Out of interest, the man that struck the player on the pitch with the umbrella - was this during the melee which began on the pitch? Was there any bother in the stand before this or did it stem from the umbrella strike? If so, you have to say that the umbrella wielding man has a lot to answer. Granted it seemed to get awfully out of hand afterwards but you can't hit someone over the wire with an umbrella and not expect a reaction.
He probably picked the wrong match to start swinging umbrella's as well to be fair...
Carmen player was taking a sideline ball when the Dromore fan hit him with the umbrella.
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 09:06:04 PM
Quote from: screenmachine on November 14, 2011, 07:45:36 PM
Out of interest, the man that struck the player on the pitch with the umbrella - was this during the melee which began on the pitch? Was there any bother in the stand before this or did it stem from the umbrella strike? If so, you have to say that the umbrella wielding man has a lot to answer. Granted it seemed to get awfully out of hand afterwards but you can't hit someone over the wire with an umbrella and not expect a reaction.
He probably picked the wrong match to start swinging umbrella's as well to be fair...
Carmen player was taking a sideline ball when the Dromore fan hit him with the umbrella.
Thats bad craic.
The more I look at these photos, the more I realise that 90% of the stuff posted in this thread is of the brown variety. Where are the scarpering crowds, blood-soaked t-shirts, etc that the headlines imply? Apart from the couple of clowns involved, the rest of the crowd seem pretty cool and the large gang of men around the bottom of the stand aren't actually doing anything, probably just havin a gawk, tryin to break it up or slabberin at the worst. There are several people in the crowd, including an elderly woman, havin a laugh at the whole thing.
The first brawl I've seen where nearly everybody has their hands in their hands in their pockets!
While the incident's shouldn't happen, in the grand scheme of things, they're hardly Landsdowne Road ,1995 are they?
I suppose it gives a few lang-heads some anti-Tyrone ammo, the inevitable by-product of success. To suggest that Tyrone has any more reprobates than any other county in ireland is ridiculous-(cue the whatabouterying...)
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 09:06:04 PM
Quote from: screenmachine on November 14, 2011, 07:45:36 PM
Out of interest, the man that struck the player on the pitch with the umbrella - was this during the melee which began on the pitch? Was there any bother in the stand before this or did it stem from the umbrella strike? If so, you have to say that the umbrella wielding man has a lot to answer. Granted it seemed to get awfully out of hand afterwards but you can't hit someone over the wire with an umbrella and not expect a reaction.
He probably picked the wrong match to start swinging umbrella's as well to be fair...
Carmen player was taking a sideline ball when the Dromore fan hit him with the umbrella.
Both clubs have to take responsibility for their supporters actions. Should put forward the main culprits - they are no use to either club if they are going to act like that.
Hopefully we never see anything like this again. Have to say that if there had been no handlings on the pitch nothing would have happened in the stand.
One point Bally was there a side line ball? as far as i recall 3 carrickmore players had one dromore player up against the wire and thats when supporter got involved.
The video would be some viewing!
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 09:06:04 PM
Quote from: screenmachine on November 14, 2011, 07:45:36 PM
Out of interest, the man that struck the player on the pitch with the umbrella - was this during the melee which began on the pitch? Was there any bother in the stand before this or did it stem from the umbrella strike? If so, you have to say that the umbrella wielding man has a lot to answer. Granted it seemed to get awfully out of hand afterwards but you can't hit someone over the wire with an umbrella and not expect a reaction.
He probably picked the wrong match to start swinging umbrella's as well to be fair...
Carmen player was taking a sideline ball when the Dromore fan hit him with the umbrella.
Surely the first man that should be identified is this clampit and throw the book at him. Was the player involved in anything previous or did he just stray into the umbrella-man's personal swiping space? I can't imagine any sane thinking person would randomly hit anyone with an umbrella while he attempted to take a sideline kick. I can't help but laugh when trying to picture the scene. Completely ridiculous...
Could easily have happened at Casement Park yesterday as there was a bit of a scuffle in the 2nd half in the stand.
Quote from: Jinxy on November 14, 2011, 04:12:36 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on November 14, 2011, 03:45:48 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 14, 2011, 02:49:32 PM
It's bizarre that Tyrone posters are choosing to have a go at me rather than discuss the actual topic.
All wumming aside lads.
Look at that picture for christs sake.
People always like to shoot the messenger, especially when he lacks credibility. Anyone who's been on here for a while knows your agenda. Topic is a serious one, so you should have left it to another person to raise it.
What's my agenda then?
Well let me put it like this, if there was a headline on rte.ie about a row in a Meath club game I would not click on it, never mind start salivating with anticipation while I fired up my computer to open a thread on this site.
My version of events from the stand.
Dromore win a free on their own 45. Fouled player is on ground when a Carrickmore player comes in late with what looked like a knee to the back or head. There was a bit of pushing and shoving - nothing serious. Referee has a word with the linesman and Gaby McCallan is taken aside by the ref. (have to defend Peter Ward here - he was clearly trying to get Dromore players away). Meanwhile, Plunkett McCallan is slowly jogging from his goalline up to the area where the incident is taking place. When he got there, more pushing/shoving/verbals, then suddenly it all kicked off. I don't know who threw the first punch, but there were a lot of players involved. A couple of Dromore players were badly isolated, with 2 or 3 carrickmore men attacking them. One such case resulted in all involved being pushed against the wire. This is when the umbrella incident happened. I saw the carrickmore player getting hit with the umbrella, but didn't see what happened among the supporters immediately after that. There followed some disgraceful scenes, with I would estimate about 15-20 supporters from either club involved in fighting. There were many more from both clubs acting as peacemakers and trying to pull people out of the row.
My opinion is that the referee and his linesman had the situation under control until Plunkett Mc Callan arrived on the scene. Things got out of hand after that. I'm not saying he started phase 2 of the row, but his presence there obviously had a lot to do with it.
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 09:06:04 PM
Quote from: screenmachine on November 14, 2011, 07:45:36 PM
Out of interest, the man that struck the player on the pitch with the umbrella - was this during the melee which began on the pitch? Was there any bother in the stand before this or did it stem from the umbrella strike? If so, you have to say that the umbrella wielding man has a lot to answer. Granted it seemed to get awfully out of hand afterwards but you can't hit someone over the wire with an umbrella and not expect a reaction.
He probably picked the wrong match to start swinging umbrella's as well to be fair...
Carmen player was taking a sideline ball when the Dromore fan hit him with the umbrella.
Thats one way of describing it!
Quote from: ONeill on November 14, 2011, 08:04:05 PM
Why was the Carrickmore player at the wire? Was there slabbering going on between the two?
He was beating the lining out of one of the Dromore players when the wally with the brolly intervened. If he hadnt then there wouldnt have been any bother in the crowd, although there may have been a few wire climbers.
A couple of points to make;
1. Why didn't the ref abandon the game? Fighting among ~20 people in the crowd, and a brawl on the pitch, surely that merited an abandonment.
2. There's absoloutely no excuse for what happened. I was in Derry at work last night, and the salivating from the 'non-Gaa' people, and hand wringing was sickening. It's hard to defend it.
3. I've no idea how much this happens in other counties, but someone said it happens in Tyrone and a lesser degree Antrim. That's BS. I regularly read of dust ups on the Derry thread, wasn't there a ref clipped by a Derry County player last season? I also know that a ref was assualted last year in Donegal and a life ban handedout.
4. I'll get off the fence and say that the Tyrone CB must acted swiftly and harshly in this instance, and any other that follows. The two clubs involved must look at themselves in the mirror and take what they get on the chin.
5. The Tyrone CB must learn to stop defending their own Inter County players at every opportunity for any discretion on the Inter County scene. There was the infamous game v Dublin in 06 that resulted in a serious row at Healy Park. If I recall rightly the TCB defended their players, and appealed their suspensions. What message does this send out? If you do the crime etc etc.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on November 14, 2011, 10:34:00 PM
A couple of points to make;
1. Why didn't the ref abandon the game? Fighting among ~20 people in the crowd, and a brawl on the pitch, surely that merited an abandonment.
2. There's absoloutely no excuse for what happened. I was in Derry at work last night, and the salivating from the 'non-Gaa' people, and hand wringing was sickening. It's hard to defend it.
3. I've no idea how much this happens in other counties, but someone said it happens in Tyrone and a lesser degree Antrim. That's BS. I regularly read of dust ups on the Derry thread, wasn't there a ref clipped by a Derry County player last season? I also know that a ref was assualted last year in Donegal and a life ban handedout.
4. I'll get off the fence and say that the Tyrone CB must acted swiftly and harshly in this instance, and any other that follows. The two clubs involved must look at themselves in the mirror and take what they get on the chin.
5. The Tyrone CB must learn to stop defending their own Inter County players at every opportunity for any discretion on the Inter County scene. There was the infamous game v Dublin in 06 that resulted in a serious row at Healy Park. If I recall rightly the TCB defended their players, and appealed their suspensions. What message does this send out? If you do the crime etc etc.
That's a good start!
Quote from: tyssam5 on November 14, 2011, 10:42:28 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on November 14, 2011, 10:34:00 PM
A couple of points to make;
1. Why didn't the ref abandon the game? Fighting among ~20 people in the crowd, and a brawl on the pitch, surely that merited an abandonment.
2. There's absoloutely no excuse for what happened. I was in Derry at work last night, and the salivating from the 'non-Gaa' people, and hand wringing was sickening. It's hard to defend it.
3. I've no idea how much this happens in other counties, but someone said it happens in Tyrone and a lesser degree Antrim. That's BS. I regularly read of dust ups on the Derry thread, wasn't there a ref clipped by a Derry County player last season? I also know that a ref was assualted last year in Donegal and a life ban handedout.
4. I'll get off the fence and say that the Tyrone CB must acted swiftly and harshly in this instance, and any other that follows. The two clubs involved must look at themselves in the mirror and take what they get on the chin.
5. The Tyrone CB must learn to stop defending their own Inter County players at every opportunity for any discretion on the Inter County scene. There was the infamous game v Dublin in 06 that resulted in a serious row at Healy Park. If I recall rightly the TCB defended their players, and appealed their suspensions. What message does this send out? If you do the crime etc etc.
That's a good start!
Ha Ha ;D. Bit of a Freudian slip there!
Happens all round the place. There've been pretty bad incidents in the likes of Laois and Wicklow and places like that over the years too.
Antrim has had it's incidents but there's as bad and worse out there.
Crowd trouble and refs are both steps too far though and have to be dealt with.
The salivating from some non GAA, and some GAA, people would sicken you.
Tyrone does seem to get more publicity. I don't know that it has any more bother than a number of other places.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on November 14, 2011, 08:17:30 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on November 14, 2011, 07:53:45 PM
Quote from: screenmachine on November 14, 2011, 07:45:36 PM
Out of interest, the man that struck the player on the pitch with the umbrella - was this during the melee which began on the pitch? Was there any bother in the stand before this or did it stem from the umbrella strike? If so, you have to say that the umbrella wielding man has a lot to answer. Granted it seemed to get awfully out of hand afterwards but you can't hit someone over the wire with an umbrella and not expect a reaction.
He probably picked the wrong match to start swinging umbrella's as well to be fair...
While I realise the seriousness of the situation I can't help but laugh.
I can picture it now, your quintessential Tyrone man, no doubt slabbered the whole match, sporting an awful moustache, talks like he's got his mouth full, thinking he's heman hitting a player with an umbrella. Can't even imagine he hit him that hard either. Him too thick and cocky to think he might get hit back or a row would kick off. There are good people in Tyrone but by God there are some amount of breeds.
And I can imagine the good old Lurgan people at a club championship game with the blue bags in tow slabbering "offside" or "handball" whilst wearing their best Celtic tops and freeing Ireland from their bar stool all whilst accepting their disability allowance in the queen's sterling.
There are some breeds in Tyrone alright, but give me any of our breeds over your breeds anyday.
The Tyrone league games are like nothing that any Armagh club person has encountered in their own county. Maybe its the domination of the county by Cross but there are certain games you know are going to end up in a pitched battle because the players put everything on the line. I dint blame either of the club's for what goes on between the white lines but this craic of what happens in the stand is disgraceful. And as I said the man that waved the umbrella is at fault but Crarrickmore dont need an invitation to start swinging either on the field or off it.
;D
LOL do tell what you Moortown folk accept for your DLA in lieu of sterling, turnips!?!
Pretty accurate description there of Lurgan GAA folk though; and you're right we would never encounter any that shite that's masqueraded as football in your county! Most negative football I've ever seen, it's any wonder some teams resort to bating the face off each other!
Quote from: oakleafgael on November 14, 2011, 10:16:23 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 09:06:04 PM
Quote from: screenmachine on November 14, 2011, 07:45:36 PM
Out of interest, the man that struck the player on the pitch with the umbrella - was this during the melee which began on the pitch? Was there any bother in the stand before this or did it stem from the umbrella strike? If so, you have to say that the umbrella wielding man has a lot to answer. Granted it seemed to get awfully out of hand afterwards but you can't hit someone over the wire with an umbrella and not expect a reaction.
He probably picked the wrong match to start swinging umbrella's as well to be fair...
Carmen player was taking a sideline ball when the Dromore fan hit him with the umbrella.
Thats one way of describing it!
I should clarify...only reporting as I've been told. I've no reason to assume any other reports are wrong and wouldn't defend the indefensible. My only point to the thread is that it does take two to tango and that the problem isn't unique to Tyrone. I know some of the injuries are bad. One fan in particular from Carmen has had an operation for a particularly nasty injury.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on November 14, 2011, 10:34:00 PM
A couple of points to make;
1. Why didn't the ref abandon the game? Fighting among ~20 people in the crowd, and a brawl on the pitch, surely that merited an abandonment.
2. There's absoloutely no excuse for what happened. I was in Derry at work last night, and the salivating from the 'non-Gaa' people, and hand wringing was sickening. It's hard to defend it.
3. I've no idea how much this happens in other counties, but someone said it happens in Tyrone and a lesser degree Antrim. That's BS. I regularly read of dust ups on the Derry thread, wasn't there a ref clipped by a Derry County player last season? I also know that a ref was assualted last year in Donegal and a life ban handedout.
4. I'll get off the fence and say that the Tyrone CB must acted swiftly and harshly in this instance, and any other that follows. The two clubs involved must look at themselves in the mirror and take what they get on the chin.
5. The Tyrone CB must learn to stop defending their own Inter County players at every opportunity for any discretion on the Inter County scene. There was the infamous game v Dublin in 06 that resulted in a serious row at Healy Park. If I recall rightly the TCB defended their players, and appealed their suspensions. What message does this send out? If you do the crime etc etc.
As a matter of interest does anyone know what penalties were handed out after the schools soccer match ended in violence at Distillery on St. Pats Day. This sh**e happens at other sports too/
Pinpoint the wreckers in the crowd, throw the book at them and tell them not to step foot in a GAA ground ever again. Lifetime bans and that will put a bit of manners in them. The good club people in Carrickmore and Dromore must be absoultely seething at this.
Why do i miss all the fun?
Bit of an over-reaction in this thread. Punishment will be handed out, the guilty partys will accept and we will all live happily ever after.
Ban Umbrellas!
This is how cases of a serious nature should be treated.
Man fined after attack on former GAA player
By Sean O'Riordan
Tuesday, November 15, 2011
A 22-YEAR-OLD man who punched and kicked a former Cork intercounty star in the face, breaking his jaw, has avoided a jail term at Cork District Court.
Noel O'Donovan was convicted yesterday of assault causing harm to opposing player James Masters, 29. The court heard that Masters, who played senior football for Cork between 2005 and last March, had been lining out for Nemo Rangers against Valley Rovers when a melee broke out with just a couple of minutes left on the clock.
The Nemo Rangers man, who is a traffic corps garda based in Bandon, said that O'Donovan had called him a pig during the first half. But things got out of hand when the melee broke out.
Judge Leo Malone heard that O'Donovan sprinted almost 30 metres towards the row which involved up to 20 opposing players.
On the way into the melee he punched Masters, who was not involved in the brawl, in the face. Masters fell to the ground and, as he was trying to get back up, O'Donovan kicked him in the face.
Masters, who was bleeding from his jaw, had to be escorted from the pitch, and as he walked towards the dressing room he encountered O'Donovan again on the sideline. He said that O'Donovan, who by then had been sent off by the referee, made a handcuffing gesture to him.
Masters was taken to the South Infirmary/Victoria University Hospital where he received three stitches to the wound.
The 29-year-old had had a plate inserted in his jaw following an accidental clash when Cork played Sligo in 2007. He said that as a result of the assault by O'Donovan, his jaw became infected and the plate had to be removed.
Judge Malone heard conflicting evidence from 27 witnesses, some of them players from Nemo Rangers and Valley Rovers. O'Donovan admitted that he had called Masters a pig, but claimed that he had been provoked.
He said he had nothing against the gardaí and one of his teammates was one.
He also admitted punching Masters, but denied that he kicked him in the face. O'Donovan said he had kicked a Nemo Rangers player's side in the melee, but was adamant it was not Masters.
However, Judge Malone said that the weight of evidence from the prosecution led him to convict O'Donovan, who lives at Curra, Upton. He said what O'Donovan did was "outrageous" and "a cowardly act" but he would not send him to prison as he had no previous convictions.
Instead he imposed a €1,000 fine and fixed recognisances in the event of an appeal.
Inspector Eileen Foster said Masters was not taking a civil case against O'Donovan, but would claim through the Garda Compensation Board.
Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/man-fined-after-attack-on-former-gaa-player-173933.html#ixzz1dlOlyaGc
Will Tyrone GAA be calling in extra resources to help them investigate the violence or are they used to handling brawls on this scale?
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 14, 2011, 11:55:26 PM
Pinpoint the wreckers in the crowd, throw the book at them and tell them not to step foot in a GAA ground ever again. Lifetime bans and that will put a bit of manners in them. The good club people in Carrickmore and Dromore must be absoultely seething at this.
They are, the three of them are seething alright.
Quote from: Declan on November 15, 2011, 09:11:57 AM
This is how cases of a serious nature should be treated.
Man fined after attack on former GAA player
By Sean O'Riordan
Tuesday, November 15, 2011
A 22-YEAR-OLD man who punched and kicked a former Cork intercounty star in the face, breaking his jaw, has avoided a jail term at Cork District Court.
Noel O'Donovan was convicted yesterday of assault causing harm to opposing player James Masters, 29. The court heard that Masters, who played senior football for Cork between 2005 and last March, had been lining out for Nemo Rangers against Valley Rovers when a melee broke out with just a couple of minutes left on the clock.
The Nemo Rangers man, who is a traffic corps garda based in Bandon, said that O'Donovan had called him a pig during the first half. But things got out of hand when the melee broke out.
Judge Leo Malone heard that O'Donovan sprinted almost 30 metres towards the row which involved up to 20 opposing players.
On the way into the melee he punched Masters, who was not involved in the brawl, in the face. Masters fell to the ground and, as he was trying to get back up, O'Donovan kicked him in the face.
Masters, who was bleeding from his jaw, had to be escorted from the pitch, and as he walked towards the dressing room he encountered O'Donovan again on the sideline. He said that O'Donovan, who by then had been sent off by the referee, made a handcuffing gesture to him.
Masters was taken to the South Infirmary/Victoria University Hospital where he received three stitches to the wound.
The 29-year-old had had a plate inserted in his jaw following an accidental clash when Cork played Sligo in 2007. He said that as a result of the assault by O'Donovan, his jaw became infected and the plate had to be removed.
Judge Malone heard conflicting evidence from 27 witnesses, some of them players from Nemo Rangers and Valley Rovers. O'Donovan admitted that he had called Masters a pig, but claimed that he had been provoked.
He said he had nothing against the gardaí and one of his teammates was one.
He also admitted punching Masters, but denied that he kicked him in the face. O'Donovan said he had kicked a Nemo Rangers player's side in the melee, but was adamant it was not Masters.
However, Judge Malone said that the weight of evidence from the prosecution led him to convict O'Donovan, who lives at Curra, Upton. He said what O'Donovan did was "outrageous" and "a cowardly act" but he would not send him to prison as he had no previous convictions.
Instead he imposed a €1,000 fine and fixed recognisances in the event of an appeal.
Inspector Eileen Foster said Masters was not taking a civil case against O'Donovan, but would claim through the Garda Compensation Board.
Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/man-fined-after-attack-on-former-gaa-player-173933.html#ixzz1dlOlyaGc
Declan,
I would have serious doubts that any prosecution would have been undertaken if the victim wasnt a member of the Garda.
Quote from: Declan on November 15, 2011, 09:11:57 AM
This is how cases of a serious nature should be treated.
Man fined after attack on former GAA player
By Sean O'Riordan
Tuesday, November 15, 2011
A 22-YEAR-OLD man who punched and kicked a former Cork intercounty star in the face, breaking his jaw, has avoided a jail term at Cork District Court.
Noel O'Donovan was convicted yesterday of assault causing harm to opposing player James Masters, 29. The court heard that Masters, who played senior football for Cork between 2005 and last March, had been lining out for Nemo Rangers against Valley Rovers when a melee broke out with just a couple of minutes left on the clock.
The Nemo Rangers man, who is a traffic corps garda based in Bandon, said that O'Donovan had called him a pig during the first half. But things got out of hand when the melee broke out.
Judge Leo Malone heard that O'Donovan sprinted almost 30 metres towards the row which involved up to 20 opposing players.
On the way into the melee he punched Masters, who was not involved in the brawl, in the face. Masters fell to the ground and, as he was trying to get back up, O'Donovan kicked him in the face.
Masters, who was bleeding from his jaw, had to be escorted from the pitch, and as he walked towards the dressing room he encountered O'Donovan again on the sideline. He said that O'Donovan, who by then had been sent off by the referee, made a handcuffing gesture to him.
Masters was taken to the South Infirmary/Victoria University Hospital where he received three stitches to the wound.
The 29-year-old had had a plate inserted in his jaw following an accidental clash when Cork played Sligo in 2007. He said that as a result of the assault by O'Donovan, his jaw became infected and the plate had to be removed.
Judge Malone heard conflicting evidence from 27 witnesses, some of them players from Nemo Rangers and Valley Rovers. O'Donovan admitted that he had called Masters a pig, but claimed that he had been provoked.
He said he had nothing against the gardaí and one of his teammates was one.
He also admitted punching Masters, but denied that he kicked him in the face. O'Donovan said he had kicked a Nemo Rangers player's side in the melee, but was adamant it was not Masters.
However, Judge Malone said that the weight of evidence from the prosecution led him to convict O'Donovan, who lives at Curra, Upton. He said what O'Donovan did was "outrageous" and "a cowardly act" but he would not send him to prison as he had no previous convictions.
Instead he imposed a €1,000 fine and fixed recognisances in the event of an appeal.
Inspector Eileen Foster said Masters was not taking a civil case against O'Donovan, but would claim through the Garda Compensation Board.
Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/man-fined-after-attack-on-former-gaa-player-173933.html#ixzz1dlOlyaGc
But Cork isnt in Tyrone - You mean this sort of thing happened the whole way down in Cork? I was beginnning to believe the posters on here that this was strictly a Tyrone problem.
In alll seriousness though - if the clubs dont put forward the names of the people who are involved in these sort of instances then the whole senior club should be banned for the following years competition in which the offence took place. We have pussy footed around this issue for too long and its time the Tyrone county board made a stand!
Quote from: Declan on November 15, 2011, 09:11:57 AM
This is how cases of a serious nature should be treated.
Man fined after attack on former GAA player
By Sean O'Riordan
Tuesday, November 15, 2011
A 22-YEAR-OLD man who punched and kicked a former Cork intercounty star in the face, breaking his jaw, has avoided a jail term at Cork District Court.
Noel O'Donovan was convicted yesterday of assault causing harm to opposing player James Masters, 29. The court heard that Masters, who played senior football for Cork between 2005 and last March, had been lining out for Nemo Rangers against Valley Rovers when a melee broke out with just a couple of minutes left on the clock.
The Nemo Rangers man, who is a traffic corps garda based in Bandon, said that O'Donovan had called him a pig during the first half. But things got out of hand when the melee broke out.
Judge Leo Malone heard that O'Donovan sprinted almost 30 metres towards the row which involved up to 20 opposing players.
On the way into the melee he punched Masters, who was not involved in the brawl, in the face. Masters fell to the ground and, as he was trying to get back up, O'Donovan kicked him in the face.
Masters, who was bleeding from his jaw, had to be escorted from the pitch, and as he walked towards the dressing room he encountered O'Donovan again on the sideline. He said that O'Donovan, who by then had been sent off by the referee, made a handcuffing gesture to him.
Masters was taken to the South Infirmary/Victoria University Hospital where he received three stitches to the wound.
The 29-year-old had had a plate inserted in his jaw following an accidental clash when Cork played Sligo in 2007. He said that as a result of the assault by O'Donovan, his jaw became infected and the plate had to be removed.
Judge Malone heard conflicting evidence from 27 witnesses, some of them players from Nemo Rangers and Valley Rovers. O'Donovan admitted that he had called Masters a pig, but claimed that he had been provoked.
He said he had nothing against the gardaí and one of his teammates was one.
He also admitted punching Masters, but denied that he kicked him in the face. O'Donovan said he had kicked a Nemo Rangers player's side in the melee, but was adamant it was not Masters.
However, Judge Malone said that the weight of evidence from the prosecution led him to convict O'Donovan, who lives at Curra, Upton. He said what O'Donovan did was "outrageous" and "a cowardly act" but he would not send him to prison as he had no previous convictions.
Instead he imposed a €1,000 fine and fixed recognisances in the event of an appeal.
Inspector Eileen Foster said Masters was not taking a civil case against O'Donovan, but would claim through the Garda Compensation Board.
Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/man-fined-after-attack-on-former-gaa-player-173933.html#ixzz1dlOlyaGc
why is he claiming through the Garda Compensation Board, he was not on duty when it happened, surely he should be claiming through the GAA insurance or is it he will get more from the tax payers
Imagine if Carrickmore played hurling.
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 01:25:36 PM
Quote from: rrhf on November 14, 2011, 01:20:30 PM
What way do you think it'll go now Nally.
Hard to know. Will all depend on the refs report and more so, the video. The fact that the ref didn't sanction any Dromore players who were throwing punches doesn't seem like a good omen as far as his report is concerned!
One thing is certain, league play-offs are a farce.
There has to be league play offs if clubs have to field there games without county men. How would that be fair if a team with no county men won the league because they have had a full team all year "twat"
Quote from: seafoid on November 15, 2011, 09:56:36 AM
Imagine if Carrickmore played hurling.
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/?p=8685
They've won 8 out of 10!!!
Keer her lit lads.
I am curious to know if any of the posters on this thread are on their club committees and how they have dealt with similiar situations in their own club. We all know and is often stated on here that all clubs have them but no one has ever said what action they have taken against these "supporters" at club level.
Now I know my own club have been involved in rows but we are not high profile enough to get BBC news but ones in the club say such and such should be dealt with but they never are as their brothers play on the senior team or their mother makes tea after games and it would cause a big split in club.
So back to my question. Is there any posters out there brave enough to say. What club they are from? What happened? How did they deal with it at club level? Has discipline improved in their club as a result of the action? Where there any negative consequences?
Quote from: screenexile on November 15, 2011, 10:00:41 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 15, 2011, 09:56:36 AM
Imagine if Carrickmore played hurling.
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/?p=8685
They've won 8 out of 10!!!
Are the hurlers more civilised? I was thinking about the umbrella.
QuoteDeclan,
I would have serious doubts that any prosecution would have been undertaken if the victim wasnt a member of the Garda.
You could be right but I'd hate to think that was the case. I was involved years ago with a very serious incident during a soccer match actually where one of our boys got busted with a head butt - Broken nose, eye socket and a few teeth - A mess. Ref sent the culprit off and we locked him in the dressing room and called the guards. They arrived and the long and the short of it was that they wouldn't prosecute him. Said they'd interview him and put a file together for DPP but at the end of it they doubted if anything would happen - too much paperwork was my impression and it was in the days when the hatchet man was more common than it is now. We got given out to for "restraining him" the injured party wanted to take a case but yer man pleaded poverty etc so basically he got away with it.
Quote from: seafoid on November 15, 2011, 11:07:18 AM
Quote from: screenexile on November 15, 2011, 10:00:41 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 15, 2011, 09:56:36 AM
Imagine if Carrickmore played hurling.
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/?p=8685
They've won 8 out of 10!!!
Are the hurlers more civilised? I was thinking about the umbrella.
You were thinking about the umbrella? It was a Dromore man used it, not a Carrickmore man.
nally stand thank for that info are you going to pass on his name to the CCC
Quote from: Declan on November 15, 2011, 11:39:45 AM
QuoteDeclan,
I would have serious doubts that any prosecution would have been undertaken if the victim wasnt a member of the Garda.
You could be right but I'd hate to think that was the case. I was involved years ago with a very serious incident during a soccer match actually where one of our boys got busted with a head butt - Broken nose, eye socket and a few teeth - A mess. Ref sent the culprit off and we locked him in the dressing room and called the guards. They arrived and the long and the short of it was that they wouldn't prosecute him. Said they'd interview him and put a file together for DPP but at the end of it they doubted if anything would happen - too much paperwork was my impression and it was in the days when the hatchet man was more common than it is now. We got given out to for "restraining him" the injured party wanted to take a case but yer man pleaded poverty etc so basically he got away with it.
It must have been some headbutt (or else the headbutter had a huge head) to cause that amount of damage.
Seriously though, that shite would annoy any man. How police can fob off situations when they feel like it. Prime example on the Nolan show yesterday morning. Some family in the North being terrorised by local youths due to a mixed marriage in the wrong area with over 20 attacks on the house since January including the father getting a beating at the weekend and Matt Baggott refused their application on the SPED relocation scheme to get them out of the area. DUP man on the phone on some board or other comes on to inform Nolan that an ex police officer was recently moved on the SPED scheme because a man on a motor bike came into his estate and drove around a few times acting suspiciously. They're some craic. Apologies for breaking away from the main point of this thread... 8)
Quote from: skeog on November 15, 2011, 12:32:08 PM
nally stand thank for that info are you going to pass on his name to the CCC
1. He was asking about whether Carrickmore had a hurling team due to the umbrella incident. I'm only pointing out that it wasn't anybody from Carrickmore using the umbrella.
2. I don't know the name of this Dromore person, so no.
Any word of the Carrickmore man that was left with his ear hanging off?
Boxing is bad enough but when the biting starts...
Quote from: Club Rossa on November 15, 2011, 01:03:59 PM
Any word of the Carrickmore man that was left with his ear hanging off?
Boxing is bad enough but when the biting starts...
Has had surgery in Belfast
Biting? >:( >:( >:(
This is pretty sh*tty, everyone I have been speaking to has brought this incident up. No spectator should interfere with a player or official, ever! I can undersand the Carmen supporters reaction, the umbrella man deserved a clipping but at the same time did it really require three Carmen to be beating at one Dromore? :(
I can see huge suspensions arising from this.
Quote from: Club Rossa on November 15, 2011, 01:03:59 PM
Any word of the Carrickmore man that was left with his ear hanging off?
Boxing is bad enough but when the biting starts...
Jesus christ. >:(
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 01:08:55 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on November 15, 2011, 01:03:59 PM
Any word of the Carrickmore man that was left with his ear hanging off?
Boxing is bad enough but when the biting starts...
Has had surgery in Belfast
Maybe you weren't so far off the mark Jinxy :o
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 15, 2011, 01:22:38 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 01:08:55 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on November 15, 2011, 01:03:59 PM
Any word of the Carrickmore man that was left with his ear hanging off?
Boxing is bad enough but when the biting starts...
Has had surgery in Belfast
Maybe you weren't so far off the mark Jinxy :o
FFS, nearly biting a fella's ear off :o
And people saying twas only what you'd see up and down the country.....
Quote from: Tubberman on November 15, 2011, 01:25:42 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 15, 2011, 01:22:38 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 01:08:55 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on November 15, 2011, 01:03:59 PM
Any word of the Carrickmore man that was left with his ear hanging off?
Boxing is bad enough but when the biting starts...
Has had surgery in Belfast
Maybe you weren't so far off the mark Jinxy :o
FFS, nearly biting a fella's ear off :o
And people saying twas only what you'd see up and down the country.....
FFS it is a horrible act but no point chatting shite. You think that is the first time anybody in Ireland has had a piece of their ear bit off?
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 01:43:51 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on November 15, 2011, 01:25:42 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 15, 2011, 01:22:38 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 01:08:55 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on November 15, 2011, 01:03:59 PM
Any word of the Carrickmore man that was left with his ear hanging off?
Boxing is bad enough but when the biting starts...
Has had surgery in Belfast
Maybe you weren't so far off the mark Jinxy :o
FFS, nearly biting a fella's ear off :o
And people saying twas only what you'd see up and down the country.....
FFS it is a horrible act but no point chatting shite. You think that is the first time anybody in Ireland has had a piece of their ear bit off?
WTF Nally-If that happened outside a nightclub there would be a long prison sentence. Feel for the man, football should never be taken this seriously.
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 01:43:51 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on November 15, 2011, 01:25:42 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 15, 2011, 01:22:38 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 01:08:55 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on November 15, 2011, 01:03:59 PM
Any word of the Carrickmore man that was left with his ear hanging off?
Boxing is bad enough but when the biting starts...
Has had surgery in Belfast
Maybe you weren't so far off the mark Jinxy :o
FFS, nearly biting a fella's ear off :o
And people saying twas only what you'd see up and down the country.....
FFS it is a horrible act but no point chatting shite. You think that is the first time anybody in Ireland has had a piece of their ear bit off?
I would imagine it is probably the first time at a GAA game! How can you be so flippant about something like that?!
I didn't make too much comment on it when people were saying it was blown out of proportion etc as that can happen but if a man needed surgery because someone tried to bite through his ear then it is as bad as it sounds and there can be no defending it anymore!!!
Think the book should be thrown at all guilty parties.
I can only go on what i've heard but I think there's two familiar player names popping up from Carmen. No coincidence i'd say!
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on November 15, 2011, 01:16:02 PM
Biting? >:( >:( >:(
This is pretty sh*tty, everyone I have been speaking to has brought this incident up. No spectator should interfere with a player or official, ever! I can undersand the Carmen supporters reaction, the umbrella man deserved a clipping but at the same time did it really require three Carmen to be beating at one Dromore? :(
I can see huge suspensions arising from this.
That would not be unusual.
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 01:43:51 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on November 15, 2011, 01:25:42 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 15, 2011, 01:22:38 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 01:08:55 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on November 15, 2011, 01:03:59 PM
Any word of the Carrickmore man that was left with his ear hanging off?
Boxing is bad enough but when the biting starts...
Has had surgery in Belfast
Maybe you weren't so far off the mark Jinxy :o
FFS, nearly biting a fella's ear off :o
And people saying twas only what you'd see up and down the country.....
FFS it is a horrible act but no point chatting shite. You think that is the first time anybody in Ireland has had a piece of their ear bit off?
No, I'm not saying it never happened in Ireland before. I'm saying comments that were made previously in the thread like the ones below are obviously not the case:
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on November 14, 2011, 10:02:11 AMto suggest that this doesn't happen up and down the country in every county, regardless of county, division, age grouping is incredibly blinkered in my opinion. It does happen, several times a season in most counties were ugly scenes on the field are transferred to the stands where the odd scuffle or verbals might take place. Rather then simply pointing your finger around the country at other counties, start with your own doorstep and come up with some solutions.
Quote from: Mont on November 14, 2011, 11:50:29 AMit does happen up and down the country - just it seems to happen in tyrone more at high profile games which is why the national press will be all over it.
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 14, 2011, 01:30:04 PMImagine your own clubman on the pitch, playing in a final, and getting hit across the head by an opposition supporter and a stand full of the player's family, friends and neighbours standing at the scene. The end result would be the same at any match around Ireland. It's fanciful to suggest otherwise.
Quote from: Whishtup on November 14, 2011, 04:57:55 PM
Brawls, diggin sessions, call them what you want have happened up and down the country since the start of the GAA. Let's not get haughty here.
There needs to be a clear separation of what happened on the pitch and what happened off it. Carrickmore did not start the brawl in the stands and although they started the one on the pitch that type of brawl happens up and down the country. Its the incident in the stand that is worrying. It would be unfair to suspend the players as a whole from any activities because of the actions of a few sc*mbags. But serious actions need to be taken to stop this rot spreading.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on November 15, 2011, 02:15:12 PM
There needs to be a clear separation of what happened on the pitch and what happened off it. Carrickmore did not start the brawl in the stands and although they started the one on the pitch that type of brawl happens up and down the country. Its the incident in the stand that is worrying. It would be unfair to suspend the players as a whole from any activities because of the actions of a few sc*mbags. But serious actions need to be taken to stop this rot spreading.
So 2 Carrickmore players get the line, then a Dromore supporter starts whacking Carrickmore players with an umbrella and then 3 Carrickmore lads beat the tripe out of him and leave him with his ear hanging off?!
Throw the book at the whole lot I say!
No I think it was a Carrickmore man who damaged his ear?
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on November 15, 2011, 02:15:12 PM
There needs to be a clear separation of what happened on the pitch and what happened off it. Carrickmore did not start the brawl in the stands and although they started the one on the pitch that type of brawl happens up and down the country. Its the incident in the stand that is worrying. It would be unfair to suspend the players as a whole from any activities because of the actions of a few sc*mbags. But serious actions need to be taken to stop this rot spreading.
No separation whatsoever. what happened on and off the pitch is a disgrace - that people do a bit of fighting in games across the country should not disguise the fact that Tyrone club football, is close to a low point in terms of discipline - and its that sort of disciplne problem that will have an impact on the young kids playing that we could well do without.
1. There seems to be a school of thought that the pitch brawl, "happens up and down the country" so that makes it all-right then. No its f**king not all-right, why should a couple of thuggish clubs bring a bad reputation on all the GAA? If you'd have described the incident and asked me what two clubs were involved I wouldn't have been long getting to Dromore and Carrickmore. If the Tyrone GAA don't severely reprimand the two clubs involved then I'll have to say we deserve all the bad press we get.
2. Alot of people running to the defence of Tyrone here too. If I read "sure it happens up and down the country" one more time I think I'll be sick. f**k that, there are only two clubs involved here and why should we run to their defence whilst they drag Tyrone's reputation through the mud? f**k them, they deserve everything they get and more, I'd imagine it'll be more light touch regulation if the County board's precedent is anything to go by. I've a fair proportion of pub/nightclub brawls in my time, with men out of their mind on drink and probably a few on drugs too, never though have I seen a man's ear been nearly bitten off. f**king imagine that, family day out to watch the brother or father in a league final and your children end up with front row seats to a prison riot. You can use all the whaterboutry in the world but thats indefensible.
I can only imagine the reaction from Nally and the boys if this happened at a Linfield/Portadown match. I'm sure they would be more than accommodating. ::) ::) ::)
Lads I do not condone but there is some crap being talked here. Neither club is innocent and I would say both will take whatever punishment is handed out.
But let me state a few things about what happened from the outset of the inital incident.
1. There was no row initially, the Carrickmore player was sent off for a very bad tackle. There was a bit of pushing and shoving and after the red card, it appeared all had settled. As the Carrickmore player went to leave the field, the county player verbally abused him about his wife who is from Dromore. He made a go for the player and all hell broke lose.
2. At no stage was there 3 Carrickmore players at the wire beatening 1 Dromore player
3. Two Carrickmore players have cuts on their faces so how 1 player from Carrickmore was sent off in the row is anyones guess.
4. There was no trouble in the crowd in the man started hitting Carrickmore players with it. Indeed there was no trouble in the crowd until a man, who was a selector with Carrickmore went to retieve his seven year old from the vacinity. As he lifted his daughter the umberella man punched him in the face. That is when it kicked off.
5. The man who got his ear bit off wouldnt be a voilent man and it appears he was caught up in something out of pure inquisitiveness as to what was happening. He was wearing a Carmen fleece so he was a legitimate target to those fighting. The same seemed to be case with anyone with a Dromore fleece on.
5.THESE INCIDENTS HAVE TO STOP IN OUR GAMES
Quote from: trileacman on November 15, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
I can only imagine the reaction from Nally and the boys if this happened at a Linfield/Portadown match. I'm sure they would be more than accommodating. ::) ::) ::)
Fcuk you are a clown. There have been manys a brawl at a Irish League matches and I have never commented on any of them for the reason that I have no interest in what happens in Irish League soccer. So take your self righteous bullshit elsewhere ye smug, condescending p***k.
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 02:46:04 PM
Quote from: trileacman on November 15, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
I can only imagine the reaction from Nally and the boys if this happened at a Linfield/Portadown match. I'm sure they would be more than accommodating. ::) ::) ::)
Fcuk you are a clown. There have been manys a brawl at a Irish League matches and I have never commented on any of them for the reason that I have no interest in what happens in Irish League soccer. So take your self righteous bullshit elsewhere ye smug, condescending p***k.
Nally Stand...
Step back and put - the - umbrella - down...
Quote from: rogueryhill on November 15, 2011, 02:50:43 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 02:46:04 PM
Quote from: trileacman on November 15, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
I can only imagine the reaction from Nally and the boys if this happened at a Linfield/Portadown match. I'm sure they would be more than accommodating. ::) ::) ::)
Fcuk you are a clown. There have been manys a brawl at a Irish League matches and I have never commented on any of them for the reason that I have no interest in what happens in Irish League soccer. So take your self righteous bullshit elsewhere ye smug, condescending p***k.
Nally Stand...
Step back and put - the - umbrella - down...
I ain't from Dromore!
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 02:46:04 PM
Quote from: trileacman on November 15, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
I can only imagine the reaction from Nally and the boys if this happened at a Linfield/Portadown match. I'm sure they would be more than accommodating. ::) ::) ::)
Fcuk you are a clown. There have been manys a brawl at a Irish League matches and I have never commented on any of them for the reason that I have no interest in what happens in Irish League soccer. So take your self righteous bullshit elsewhere ye smug, condescending p***k.
I think that says it all...
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 02:46:04 PM
Quote from: trileacman on November 15, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
I can only imagine the reaction from Nally and the boys if this happened at a Linfield/Portadown match. I'm sure they would be more than accommodating. ::) ::) ::)
Fcuk you are a clown. There have been manys a brawl at a Irish League matches and I have never commented on any of them for the reason that I have no interest in what happens in Irish League soccer. So take your self righteous bullshit elsewhere ye smug, condescending p***k.
Now now Nally, dont take the bait FFS. As far as Ricey mouthing you would think that Carrickmore and everybody else would be used to it by now. But the ear thing I can not get my head around. Bad bad carry on and I wish him well in his recovery.
Carrickmore supporters would be rather agressive/confrontational. I remember watching them play an ACL game in Carrickmore. They were beaten in a tight and competitive game and middle aged men who really should have known better were nudging into the away fans on the way out and muttering condescending remarks.
Gone are the days when it was the loser who had to act with dignity, the winning club that is Dromore cant even win with grace. There is nothing to gain in mouthing to a team that you have beaten well. What does it achieve except ill feeling and resentment which will simmer for years to come.
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 15, 2011, 02:54:54 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 02:46:04 PM
Quote from: trileacman on November 15, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
I can only imagine the reaction from Nally and the boys if this happened at a Linfield/Portadown match. I'm sure they would be more than accommodating. ::) ::) ::)
Fcuk you are a clown. There have been manys a brawl at a Irish League matches and I have never commented on any of them for the reason that I have no interest in what happens in Irish League soccer. So take your self righteous bullshit elsewhere ye smug, condescending p***k.
I think that says it all...
Nothing to say about the veiled accusation of sectarianism though no? ::) (I have repeatedly condemned Sunday's violence too but I suppose that escaped your attention yeah?)
Yeah but Irish League brawls are more civilised.
(http://thegrumpyowl.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/umbrella_weapon2.jpg)
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 03:00:25 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 15, 2011, 02:54:54 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 02:46:04 PM
Quote from: trileacman on November 15, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
I can only imagine the reaction from Nally and the boys if this happened at a Linfield/Portadown match. I'm sure they would be more than accommodating. ::) ::) ::)
Fcuk you are a clown. There have been manys a brawl at a Irish League matches and I have never commented on any of them for the reason that I have no interest in what happens in Irish League soccer. So take your self righteous bullshit elsewhere ye smug, condescending p***k.
I think that says it all...
Nothing to say about the veiled accusation of sectarianism though no? ::)
No. I can't get a picture of the menace on your face and the veins bursting out of your neck out of my head. Sort of like that photo in the Irish News today coincidently...
Quote from: Wee Roddy on November 15, 2011, 02:41:13 PM
Lads I do not condone but there is some crap being talked here. Neither club is innocent and I would say both will take whatever punishment is handed out.
But let me state a few things about what happened from the outset of the inital incident.
1. There was no row initially, the Carrickmore player was sent off for a very bad tackle. There was a bit of pushing and shoving and after the red card, it appeared all had settled. As the Carrickmore player went to leave the field, the county player verbally abused him about his wife who is from Dromore. He made a go for the player and all hell broke lose.
2. At no stage was there 3 Carrickmore players at the wire beatening 1 Dromore player
3. Two Carrickmore players have cuts on their faces so how 1 player from Carrickmore was sent off in the row is anyones guess.
4. There was no trouble in the crowd in the man started hitting Carrickmore players with it. Indeed there was no trouble in the crowd until a man, who was a selector with Carrickmore went to retieve his seven year old from the vacinity. As he lifted his daughter the umberella man punched him in the face. That is when it kicked off.
5. The man who got his ear bit off wouldnt be a voilent man and it appears he was caught up in something out of pure inquisitiveness as to what was happening. He was wearing a Carmen fleece so he was a legitimate target to those fighting. The same seemed to be case with anyone with a Dromore fleece on.
5.THESE INCIDENTS HAVE TO STOP IN OUR GAMES
If Oz hadn't ran the pitch and nailed three men i doubt it would of been as bad??
I think Cooney should do what the president from independence day done
"I say lets nuke the sons of bitches"
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Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 03:00:25 PM
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Quote from: trileacman on November 15, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
I can only imagine the reaction from Nally and the boys if this happened at a Linfield/Portadown match. I'm sure they would be more than accommodating. ::) ::) ::)
Fcuk you are a clown. There have been manys a brawl at a Irish League matches and I have never commented on any of them for the reason that I have no interest in what happens in Irish League soccer. So take your self righteous bullshit elsewhere ye smug, condescending p***k.
I think that says it all...
Nothing to say about the veiled accusation of sectarianism though no? ::)
No.
Didn't think so ::)
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Quote from: trileacman on November 15, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
I can only imagine the reaction from Nally and the boys if this happened at a Linfield/Portadown match. I'm sure they would be more than accommodating. ::) ::) ::)
Fcuk you are a clown. There have been manys a brawl at a Irish League matches and I have never commented on any of them for the reason that I have no interest in what happens in Irish League soccer. So take your self righteous bullshit elsewhere ye smug, condescending p***k.
I think that says it all...
Nothing to say about the veiled accusation of sectarianism though no? ::)
No.
Didn't think
;D
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 15, 2011, 03:16:37 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 03:13:26 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 15, 2011, 03:05:55 PM
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Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 02:46:04 PM
Quote from: trileacman on November 15, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
I can only imagine the reaction from Nally and the boys if this happened at a Linfield/Portadown match. I'm sure they would be more than accommodating. ::) ::) ::)
Fcuk you are a clown. There have been manys a brawl at a Irish League matches and I have never commented on any of them for the reason that I have no interest in what happens in Irish League soccer. So take your self righteous bullshit elsewhere ye smug, condescending p***k.
I think that says it all...
Nothing to say about the veiled accusation of sectarianism though no? ::)
No.
Didn't think so
You're right. I apologise Nally. I was being a bit of a dick.
Apology accepted
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 03:20:21 PM
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Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 15, 2011, 02:54:54 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 02:46:04 PM
Quote from: trileacman on November 15, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
I can only imagine the reaction from Nally and the boys if this happened at a Linfield/Portadown match. I'm sure they would be more than accommodating. ::) ::) ::)
Fcuk you are a clown. There have been manys a brawl at a Irish League matches and I have never commented on any of them for the reason that I have no interest in what happens in Irish League soccer. So take your self righteous bullshit elsewhere ye smug, condescending p***k.
I think that says it all...
Nothing to say about the veiled accusation of sectarianism though no? ::)
No.
Didn't think so
You're right. I apologise Nally. I was being a bit of a dick.
Apology accepted
WTF? ??? Talking to yourself now...
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 15, 2011, 01:08:55 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on November 15, 2011, 01:03:59 PM
Any word of the Carrickmore man that was left with his ear hanging off?
Boxing is bad enough but when the biting starts...
Has had surgery in Belfast
Did this happen inside our outside the wire? >:(
There would be a Dromore player with a bit of form fop this, I'm thinking of the Semi-final of 2006.
Not sure he is still palying though.
Happened outside the wire.
I'd like to win a championship, would really really like to win a championship but if this is what success turns you into you can keep your cups, I'll still have my dignity.
Quote from: LeoMc on November 15, 2011, 04:31:01 PM
Did this happen inside our outside the wire? >:(
There would be a Dromore player with a bit of form fop this, I'm thinking of the Semi-final of 2006.
Not sure he is still palying though.
Quote from: Club Rossa on November 15, 2011, 04:49:00 PM
Happened outside the wire.
You mean there might be more than one ear-biter on the loose in Dromore? :o <shiver>
Quote from: Wee Roddy on November 15, 2011, 02:41:13 PM
Lads I do not condone but there is some crap being talked here. Neither club is innocent and I would say both will take whatever punishment is handed out.
But let me state a few things about what happened from the outset of the inital incident.
1. There was no row initially, the Carrickmore player was sent off for a very bad tackle. There was a bit of pushing and shoving and after the red card, it appeared all had settled. As the Carrickmore player went to leave the field, the county player verbally abused him about his wife who is from Dromore. He made a go for the player and all hell broke lose.
2. At no stage was there 3 Carrickmore players at the wire beatening 1 Dromore player
3. Two Carrickmore players have cuts on their faces so how 1 player from Carrickmore was sent off in the row is anyones guess.
4. There was no trouble in the crowd in the man started hitting Carrickmore players with it. Indeed there was no trouble in the crowd until a man, who was a selector with Carrickmore went to retieve his seven year old from the vacinity. As he lifted his daughter the umberella man punched him in the face. That is when it kicked off.
5. The man who got his ear bit off wouldnt be a voilent man and it appears he was caught up in something out of pure inquisitiveness as to what was happening. He was wearing a Carmen fleece so he was a legitimate target to those fighting. The same seemed to be case with anyone with a Dromore fleece on.
5.THESE INCIDENTS HAVE TO STOP IN OUR GAMES
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/5358024.stm
Sure according to this link (from 2006) one Carrickmore player punched another Carrickmore player to get a blood sub on. Animals ;)
"A different breed of cattle altogether" as my Granny used to say :D ;)
I'm a great admirer of Tyrone, but they do have serious discipline issues. In the Paul McGirr u-16 quarter-final at Dromore between my own club Rostrevor and Coalisland, serious disorder broke out towards the end. Rostrevor were winning easily and it seemed like Coalisland were trying to get the game abandoned. Two Rostrevor lads had to be taken to hospital afterwards.
It seemed particularly inappropriate for a tournament honoring the memory of a young footballer.
These two incidents, plus the violence at the ladies match, do seem to form a pattern and a proud county like Tyrone needs to do something about it.
and were are u from werefromreferee? or are you too embaressed to say??? or are you just on here to spout shite about carmen? mouthpiece
downatthemidda, did you damage your keyboard when you threw it at the screen?
You could probably get a new shift, h, and fullstop key from ebay :D :D :D
lol roqeryhill
You'll need to get a g key while you're at it (check between the f and the h) ::)
And a u ;D ;D
Disgraceful scenes. We have always known that Tyrone are a very unsporting county and this is further proof.
Saintly boys down in Kerry.
Sure, if there is a quality scrap on a Kerry pitch, it transcends being labelled as violence and enters the realm of cultural heritage.
http://www.moyvane.com/audiovideo.shtml (http://www.moyvane.com/audiovideo.shtml)
Quote from: Main Street on November 17, 2011, 08:54:38 AM
Saintly boys down in Kerry.
Sure, if there is a quality scrap on a Kerry pitch, it transcends being labelled as violence and enters the realm of cultural heritage.
http://www.moyvane.com/audiovideo.shtml (http://www.moyvane.com/audiovideo.shtml)
Quality quote near the end of it shows how multi-cultural our Kerry "animals" are..."send that f**king t**ker off!", tis great that they support the travelling community playing our national games ;D
Quote from: Hospital Road on November 16, 2011, 10:52:23 PM
I see the carrickmore pr machine is on full steam here and in the tyrone club thread.
carmen and dromore #kickthemout
Why? So everyone else will have a chance of winning then? Jealousy is an awful thing!
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Quote from: Hospital Road on November 16, 2011, 10:52:23 PM
I see the carrickmore pr machine is on full steam here and in the tyrone club thread.
carmen and dromore #kickthemout
Why? So everyone else will have a chance of winning then? Jealousy is an awful thing!
Think it would be bad for tyrone football if the two teams were kicked out. Certainly bans should be handed out left right and centre and both clubs possibly fined and pitches closed but to kick them out competitions would be punishing people who have done nothing wrong.
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Quote from: Carmen Stateside on November 17, 2011, 10:42:09 AM
Quote from: Hospital Road on November 16, 2011, 10:52:23 PM
I see the carrickmore pr machine is on full steam here and in the tyrone club thread.
carmen and dromore #kickthemout
Why? So everyone else will have a chance of winning then? Jealousy is an awful thing!
Think it would be bad for tyrone football if the two teams were kicked out. Certainly bans should be handed out left right and centre and both clubs possibly fined and pitches closed but to kick them out competitions would be punishing people who have done nothing wrong.
Agreed - Both pitches closed next year - both clubs name and shame the true troublemakers in the crowd - ban them for life. Any players who contributed to the stand violence gets a year! just my opinion!
Out of matter of interest did i notice one or two of the carrickmore hurlers in the middle of the spectators boxing? (Before you say i'm victimising Carmen - I honestly wouldn't know what any of the Dromore spectators look like! so there could have been 10 carmen people and 100 dromore people)
I have difficulty with the banning spectators for life. Not in how it is dispensed but more in relation to how it is upheld.
What stops anyone who is banned for life turning up at club or county games anywhere in the country , paying at gate, getting tickets through ticketmaster etc.?
When you are talking about life bans in the GAA, this actually doesnt mean a lifetime ban, the maximum suspension which can be imposed is 2 years.
Why? So everyone else will have a chance of winning then? Jealousy is an awful thing!
Carmen Stateside WTF
What have carmen won in 4 -5 years? Theres a lot of posters saying very little on here about the happenings of Sunday dont turn them against you.
THE PSNI have confirmed that they are now investigating incidents which occurred at last Sunday's Tyrone All-County Football League final, which was marred by violent scenes both on and off the field.
A police spokesperson said yesterday [Wednesday] that a complaint had been received from a male on Tuesday evening, who alleged he had a piece of his ear bitten off at the match.
Violence erupted in the crowd towards the end of the clash between Carrickmore and Dromore, which the St Dympna's side won by 0-11 to 0-6 to complete a Tyrone league and Championship double.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 17, 2011, 07:27:07 AM
Disgraceful scenes. We have always known that Tyrone are a very unsporting county and this is further proof.
go away and f**k yourself, ye bog tramping ****
Man had ear bitten off in Tyrone brawl17 November 2011
The PSNI have launched an investigation into the crowd brawl which took place during the Tyrone league final last Sunday in Dunmoyle after a man was said to have part of his ear bitten off during the trouble.
The brawl erupted in the stands during Dromore's clash with Carrickmore after violence on the pitch spread into the stands towards the game's conclusion, which resulted in numerous injuries to spectators.
The Ulster Herald newspaper reports that a Carrickmore supporter had the bottom part of his ear severed after it was bitten and the man, who is believed to be in his early 40s, was taken to Craigavon Area Hospital where surgeons were able to reattach the severed part of the ear on Monday following a one-hour-and-a-half procedure.
It is uncertain if the operation will prove successful and those close to the injured man have said that he has been deeply traumatised by the incident.
Police began their investigation after a complaint was made on Tuesday night and spokesperson said that enquires into the alleged result are ongoing.
:( :o :o >:(
Quote from: Bensars on November 17, 2011, 11:54:00 AM
I have difficulty with the banning spectators for life. Not in how it is dispensed but more in relation to how it is upheld.
What stops anyone who is banned for life turning up at club or county games anywhere in the country , paying at gate, getting tickets through ticketmaster etc.?
Hasn't stopped the guy banned over the ladies incident i hear!! ::)
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 17, 2011, 01:16:24 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 17, 2011, 07:27:07 AM
Disgraceful scenes. We have always known that Tyrone are a very unsporting county and this is further proof.
go away and f**k yourself, ye bog tramping ****
:D :D :D :D :D
Gotta feel for the man, Im sure he wasnt being angelic but to actually sink your teeth into someone's ear is pretty scummy and I hope the culprit is prosecuted and jailed.
You can not persecute the two clubs over the head of wing nuts. There should be a sit down between the two clubs and talk about ways in which this animosity can be put to bed.
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 17, 2011, 01:16:24 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 17, 2011, 07:27:07 AM
Disgraceful scenes. We have always known that Tyrone are a very unsporting county and this is further proof.
go away and f**k yourself, ye bog tramping ****
Its decent Tyrone gaels like yourself thats getting their good name dragged through the mud because of the events from the last weekend :D
Get all the guilty parties and form a Carrickmore/Dromore select XV (players & supporters). Wait for the Australians to come for the next International Rules. Make the select XV play the Aussies. Sit back and enjoy them get a hiding.
No good, Big Oz would beat lumps out of the Big Aussies! Plus the Dromore supporter would bite lumps out of them!
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on November 17, 2011, 02:08:24 PM
No good, Big Oz would beat lumps out of the Big Aussies! Plus the Dromore supporter would bite lumps out of them!
Well then only thing is to send them all out to Murtin for a 2 week disciplinary course!
Quote from: HiMucker on November 17, 2011, 01:50:10 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 17, 2011, 01:16:24 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 17, 2011, 07:27:07 AM
Disgraceful scenes. We have always known that Tyrone are a very unsporting county and this is further proof.
go away and f**k yourself, ye bog tramping ****
Its decent Tyrone gaels like yourself thats getting their good name dragged through the mud because of the events from the last weekend :D
i know, and the last thing you need is some pious 'holier than thou' w**ker from Kerry, dropping his log into the fire - this problem is not localised to Carrickmore or Dromore, nor Tyrone. It's a blight to ALL PHYSICAL sports - that **** should stick to making green waist coats for american tourists.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on November 17, 2011, 01:49:14 PM
Gotta feel for the man, Im sure he wasnt being angelic but to actually sink your teeth into someone's ear is pretty scummy and I hope the culprit is prosecuted and jailed.
You can not persecute the two clubs over the head of wing nuts. There should be a sit down between the two clubs and talk about ways in which this animosity can be put to bed.
I agree that you cant persecute a club over a few wing nuts - but at some point the county board has to take a stand. I'd ban the clubs involved if they dont name the main people involved and take action to ban these people from their own games for life. This ban should be enforced by the clubs -not the county board. What club wants a supporter who has bitten a man's ear off ffs??
Im in no way singling out the two clubs involved - this is not an excuse, but i've seen crowds get involved in violence in matches many times before, in fact when my own club played in an U16 Championship semi final back in 90s, where adults were swinging for kids, it was unreal - but it happens because people get away with it and its time an example was made.
If the Tyrone County Board took strong action here, made the clubs name the people involved and ban them for life with the previso that if they are seen at a club game again the club will face a 1 year ban. Hopefully then club members will enforce it and it will deter others in the future.
The problem with this is that after a year we have half the clubs in Tyrone banned! ;)
Quote from: fitzroyalty on November 17, 2011, 02:21:52 PM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on November 17, 2011, 02:08:24 PM
No good, Big Oz would beat lumps out of the Big Aussies! Plus the Dromore supporter would bite lumps out of them!
Well then only thing is to send them all out to Murtin for a 2 week disciplinary course!
Or a two week course in Lurgan showing them how to re-direct the anger into something productive like stealing suitcases off trains.
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Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 17, 2011, 07:27:07 AM
Disgraceful scenes. We have always known that Tyrone are a very unsporting county and this is further proof.
go away and f**k yourself, ye bog tramping ****
Its decent Tyrone gaels like yourself thats getting their good name dragged through the mud because of the events from the last weekend :D
i know, and the last thing you need is some pious 'holier than thou' w**ker from Kerry, dropping his log into the fire - this problem is not localised to Carrickmore or Dromore, nor Tyrone. It's a blight to ALL PHYSICAL sports - that **** should stick to making green waist coats for american tourists.
Are you familiar with the term "WUM"?? Look it up sometime!!
Cops have just released a picture of the umbrella man
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/383931_2604251195558_1533225400_32856966_910085463_n.jpg)
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 17, 2011, 01:16:24 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 17, 2011, 07:27:07 AM
Disgraceful scenes. We have always known that Tyrone are a very unsporting county and this is further proof.
go away and f**k yourself, ye bog tramping ****
Slightly harsh there. Many of the bogs have dried up.
Thought Kenny Archer's article and biased attack on Carricmore[was Dromore not involved in this also] was an absolute disgrace. But thyen what else would one expect from this third rate journalist. His previews and reports on games defies belief. The man just doesn't have a clue.
Think he did mention Dromore v Clonoe too in the article!
Archer's article was a joke. He more or less made a veiled attempt to excuse the umbrella incident saying the man was just reacting to 'how Carrickmore were behaving' on the pitch, and then went on to explain how the ensuing fight in the stands was the fault of Carrickmore fans becuase they shouldn't have reacted to the umbrella incident. A total witch hunt of an article.
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 17, 2011, 02:28:14 PM
Im in no way singling out the two clubs involved - this is not an excuse, but i've seen crowds get involved in violence in matches many times before, in fact when my own club played in an U16 Championship semi final back in 90s, where adults were swinging for kids, it was unreal - but it happens because people get away with it and its time an example was made.
An example has to be made whether it is a fine or banning clubs form playing home matches but maybe in cases where referees are attacked or supporters get involved the Ulster council should hand out the bans rather than county boards who are more than likely going to have clubmen on them.
If there was a precedent set then all involved at club level would know the consequences of this kind of thing kicking off.
Match should've have been in Healy Park rather then tighter confines of Dunmoyle.
I see there's a bit of footage up on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Are the media not making a mountain out of a mole hill here? To listen to the BBC you would think that there was a full scale riot. I am not making excuses for Tyronies, but this was nothing more than a few slaps thrown and lets be honest every club attracts undesireables like these. While we can not tolerate this sort of behaviour it is hardly hooliganism, nor is it a problem that is out of control.
Just my 2p.
Until I heard about the ear biting I thought the same. We're supposed to live in a civilised society - there is no way that kind of behaviour can be tolerated.
Quote from: rrhf on November 17, 2011, 01:00:16 PM
Why? So everyone else will have a chance of winning then? Jealousy is an awful thing!
Carmen Stateside WTF
What have carmen won in 4 -5 years? Theres a lot of posters saying very little on here about the happenings of Sunday dont turn them against you.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on November 17, 2011, 11:27:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 17, 2011, 10:57:33 PM
Until I heard about the ear biting I thought the same. We're supposed to live in a civilised society - there is no way that kind of behaviour can be tolerated.
Sadly there was a similarly bloody case not too long ago on the pitch in a junior league game in Tyrone, though it didn't involve the ENT area.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=12.msg1017151#msg1017151
Bloody Hell! Between these and Rasharkin, it's a catalogue of shameful behaviour this last while that reflects badly on the GAA and our ambivalent attitude to violence. How long before we have our own local McGovern-type incident? or a death on-field or in the stands? They'd be some hand-wringing then >:( It only takes one punch...
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Quote from: Fionntamhnach on November 17, 2011, 11:27:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 17, 2011, 10:57:33 PM
Until I heard about the ear biting I thought the same. We're supposed to live in a civilised society - there is no way that kind of behaviour can be tolerated.
Sadly there was a similarly bloody case not too long ago on the pitch in a junior league game in Tyrone, though it didn't involve the ENT area.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=12.msg1017151#msg1017151
Bloody Hell! Between these and Rasharkin, it's a catalogue of shameful behaviour this last while that reflects badly on the GAA and our ambivalent attitude to violence. How long before we have our own local McGovern-type incident? or a death on-field or in the stands? They'd be some hand-wringing then >:( It only takes one punch...
Most GAA people aren't ambivalent to violence.
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 17, 2011, 09:46:06 PM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/25a27t1.jpg)
Couple of points re that image.
1. What's Steve Clarke doing there? (Middle right with Dromore jacket).
2. Look at the two boyos up the back with the camera phones out! :)
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Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 17, 2011, 07:27:07 AM
Disgraceful scenes. We have always known that Tyrone are a very unsporting county and this is further proof.
go away and f**k yourself, ye bog tramping ****
Its decent Tyrone gaels like yourself thats getting their good name dragged through the mud because of the events from the last weekend :D
i know, and the last thing you need is some pious 'holier than thou' w**ker from Kerry, dropping his log into the fire - this problem is not localised to Carrickmore or Dromore, nor Tyrone. It's a blight to ALL PHYSICAL sports - that **** should stick to making green waist coats for american tourists.
You are just the type of foul mouthed tr**p that we see those photos throwing punches within inches of innocent children. You should wash your mouth out, cop on and learn to control yourself, you bowsie.
Look at all the lads just inside the fence....does everybody in Tyrone wear jeans or what ? ...and the bleached blond hair :D
Its bad enough that you are all gurriers , could you at least show a bit of individuality for christ sakes.
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 17, 2011, 06:09:32 PM
Archer's article was a joke. He more or less made a veiled attempt to excuse the umbrella incident saying the man was just reacting to 'how Carrickmore were behaving' on the pitch, and then went on to explain how the ensuing fight in the stands was the fault of Carrickmore fans becuase they shouldn't have reacted to the umbrella incident. A total witch hunt of an article.
Was thinking the same around his comments on the umbrella incident - its as if he was saying it was ok for the Dromore fans to start a riot because they were provoked by on the field antics. Must remember that one next time I am at a match and see someone doing abit of wrestling on the field, maybe it will give me the excuse to turn around and mug some old granny who is watching the match too.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on November 17, 2011, 09:35:50 PM
Match should've have been in Healy Park rather then tighter confines of Dunmoyle.
Agree - it would be difficult to start a full scale malee in the stand in Omagh. Also most carrickmore fans always stand in the terrace anyway so both fans would have been far apart, plus the umbrella man would have needed a super long umbrella to get near a player.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 18, 2011, 02:47:41 AM
Look at all the lads just inside the fence....does everybody in Tyrone wear jeans or what ? ...and the bleached blond hair :D
Its bad enough that you are all gurriers , could you at least show a bit of individuality for christ sakes.
Suppose it makes a change for you too see somebody out of wellies and not sleeping with their sister
Quote from: Up The Middle on November 18, 2011, 09:01:30 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 18, 2011, 02:47:41 AM
Look at all the lads just inside the fence....does everybody in Tyrone wear jeans or what ? ...and the bleached blond hair :D
Its bad enough that you are all gurriers , could you at least show a bit of individuality for christ sakes.
Suppose it makes a change for you too see somebody out of wellies and not sleeping with their sister
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 18, 2011, 08:30:04 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 17, 2011, 06:09:32 PM
Archer's article was a joke. He more or less made a veiled attempt to excuse the umbrella incident saying the man was just reacting to 'how Carrickmore were behaving' on the pitch, and then went on to explain how the ensuing fight in the stands was the fault of Carrickmore fans becuase they shouldn't have reacted to the umbrella incident. A total witch hunt of an article.
Was thinking the same around his comments on the umbrella incident - its as if he was saying it was ok for the Dromore fans to start a riot because they were provoked by on the field antics. Must remember that one next time I am at a match and see someone doing abit of wrestling on the field, maybe it will give me the excuse to turn around and mug some old granny who is watching the match too.
I think the article is alright. IMO it didnt seem to be singling out Carrickmore. Just my opinion
Quote from: Up The Middle on November 18, 2011, 09:01:30 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 18, 2011, 02:47:41 AM
Look at all the lads just inside the fence....does everybody in Tyrone wear jeans or what ? ...and the bleached blond hair :D
Its bad enough that you are all gurriers , could you at least show a bit of individuality for christ sakes.
Suppose it makes a change for you too see somebody out of wellies and not sleeping with their sister
:D :D :D Class
Having read the Tyrone club thread, I feel that what should be most concerning about the violence is that it was predicted. At best it was expected and at worst premediated.
The Tyrone county board really need to grasp the nettle here, although past history would suggest the opposite is likely.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 18, 2011, 02:41:18 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 17, 2011, 02:23:38 PM
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Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 17, 2011, 01:16:24 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 17, 2011, 07:27:07 AM
Disgraceful scenes. We have always known that Tyrone are a very unsporting county and this is further proof.
go away and f**k yourself, ye bog tramping ****
Its decent Tyrone gaels like yourself thats getting their good name dragged through the mud because of the events from the last weekend :D
i know, and the last thing you need is some pious 'holier than thou' w**ker from Kerry, dropping his log into the fire - this problem is not localised to Carrickmore or Dromore, nor Tyrone. It's a blight to ALL PHYSICAL sports - that **** should stick to making green waist coats for american tourists.
You are just the type of foul mouthed tr**p that we see those photos throwing punches within inches of innocent children. You should wash your mouth out, cop on and learn to control yourself, you bowsie.
f**k away off. twat.
Quotet**t.
What is t**t? Toot? As in "Tootle off now, please"?.
Perhaps if people had a better range of scathing responses they wouldn't need to throw punches.
t**t
T wat?
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 19, 2011, 02:16:50 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 18, 2011, 02:41:18 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 17, 2011, 02:23:38 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 17, 2011, 01:50:10 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 17, 2011, 01:16:24 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 17, 2011, 07:27:07 AM
Disgraceful scenes. We have always known that Tyrone are a very unsporting county and this is further proof.
go away and f**k yourself, ye bog tramping ****
Its decent Tyrone gaels like yourself thats getting their good name dragged through the mud because of the events from the last weekend :D
i know, and the last thing you need is some pious 'holier than thou' w**ker from Kerry, dropping his log into the fire - this problem is not localised to Carrickmore or Dromore, nor Tyrone. It's a blight to ALL PHYSICAL sports - that **** should stick to making green waist coats for american tourists.
You are just the type of foul mouthed tr**p that we see those photos throwing punches within inches of innocent children. You should wash your mouth out, cop on and learn to control yourself, you bowsie.
f**k away off. t**t.
Tut, tut...no wonder we see scenes like the above in Tyrone with baboons like you on the loose.
Lads like you just can't control their temper. Always losing it and acting like eejits.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 19, 2011, 09:43:32 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 19, 2011, 02:16:50 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 18, 2011, 02:41:18 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 17, 2011, 02:23:38 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 17, 2011, 01:50:10 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 17, 2011, 01:16:24 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 17, 2011, 07:27:07 AM
Disgraceful scenes. We have always known that Tyrone are a very unsporting county and this is further proof.
go away and f**k yourself, ye bog tramping ****
Its decent Tyrone gaels like yourself thats getting their good name dragged through the mud because of the events from the last weekend :D
i know, and the last thing you need is some pious 'holier than thou' w**ker from Kerry, dropping his log into the fire - this problem is not localised to Carrickmore or Dromore, nor Tyrone. It's a blight to ALL PHYSICAL sports - that **** should stick to making green waist coats for american tourists.
You are just the type of foul mouthed tr**p that we see those photos throwing punches within inches of innocent children. You should wash your mouth out, cop on and learn to control yourself, you bowsie.
f**k away off. t**t.
Tut, tut...no wonder we see scenes like the above in Tyrone with baboons like you on the loose.
Lads like you just can't control their temper. Always losing it and acting like eejits.
You miss the point yet again Mike.
On this thread most people admit that the events at the Carrickmore and Dromore match isnt the best testimonial for Tyrone club football. I dont think a Tyrone fan has yet condoned the behavior on and off the field that day. But its not just a tyrone club football problem. Nor exclusively a GAA problem.
Your comments on the Tyrone thread, typically bore me to tears, but i find your comments on this thread puerile self righteous and antagonistic, and i feel that i can on that basis and with some justification call you a twat.
These things have the potential to happen at any game, anywhere in the country. The only game I was ever at in Kerry was in the league a few years back when Tyrone played Kerry in Austin Stacks. My better half and I were seated beside a particularly aggressive element where if either of us had opened our mouths at the wrong time, I have no doubt that physical violence would have ensued. (by the way, our car had been keyed during the game-perhaps more to do with the Cork Reg. than anything!)
My point is that there is the potential for these things to happen at any sporting event and it does happen. I seem to remember a Clare club hurling match where the supporters held a player through the wire while the opposing team flailed him with hurleys.
Whataboutery? What about it? Maybe if the GAA and pundits concentrated a bit more on whataboutery, they could compile a dossier of incidents, analyse the root causes, look for trends and decide if changes need to be made or intuitive sessions need to be held because it does happen occasionally in all counties. Imposing massive fines and bans on the clubs concerned will do nothing to stop these things happening. I'm all for whataboutery!
I see some nonsense in today's Irish Times, comparing the role of the referees in Rugby to that of the GAA ref. While I enjoy watching rugby, I for one would hate to see that militant and almost pompous control of GAA games take place. In many ways our national games are synonymous with our tribal culture, that is what makes them special. It also makes them potentially dangerous if they are not steered in the right direction by officials, coaches, and stewards, albeit in a way that is relative to the spirit of the games.
I see this umbrella trend is spreading. http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/20112011/2/photo/20112011235316.html
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 21, 2011, 07:49:35 AM
I see this umbrella trend is spreading. http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/20112011/2/photo/20112011235316.html
Thon Dromore byes have a quare throw on them hi
Quote from: Whishtup on November 20, 2011, 11:02:46 PM
These things have the potential to happen at any game, anywhere in the country. The only game I was ever at in Kerry was in the league a few years back when Tyrone played Kerry in Austin Stacks. My better half and I were seated beside a particularly aggressive element where if either of us had opened our mouths at the wrong time, I have no doubt that physical violence would have ensued. (by the way, our car had been keyed during the game-perhaps more to do with the Cork Reg. than anything!)
My point is that there is the potential for these things to happen at any sporting event and it does happen. I seem to remember a Clare club hurling match where the supporters held a player through the wire while the opposing team flailed him with hurleys.
Whataboutery? What about it? Maybe if the GAA and pundits concentrated a bit more on whataboutery, they could compile a dossier of incidents, analyse the root causes, look for trends and decide if changes need to be made or intuitive sessions need to be held because it does happen occasionally in all counties. Imposing massive fines and bans on the clubs concerned will do nothing to stop these things happening. I'm all for whataboutery!
I see some nonsense in today's Irish Times, comparing the role of the referees in Rugby to that of the GAA ref. While I enjoy watching rugby, I for one would hate to see that militant and almost pompous control of GAA games take place. In many ways our national games are synonymous with our tribal culture, that is what makes them special. It also makes them potentially dangerous if they are not steered in the right direction by officials, coaches, and stewards, albeit in a way that is relative to the spirit of the games.
Couldn't have said it better myself Tyrone club football = tribal culture. You can stick your tribal culture if it means referees getting assaulted, supporters getting their ears bitten off and the GAA making news headlines for all the wrong reasons.
Officials and coaches steering in the right direction? - you're having a laugh. A Rasharkin club official was prominent in their shenanigans and McGinn was manager when he was at his "Dromore Kiss" routine.
Whataboutery is for primary schoolyards ::)
Quote from: saffron sam2 on November 18, 2011, 12:32:43 PM
Having read the Tyrone club thread, I feel that what should be most concerning about the violence is that it was predicted. At best it was expected and at worst premediated.
The Tyrone county board really need to grasp the nettle here, although past history would suggest the opposite is likely.
If only it had been, interesting concept.
Quote from: Whishtup on November 20, 2011, 11:02:46 PM
I see some nonsense in today's Irish Times, comparing the role of the referees in Rugby to that of the GAA ref. While I enjoy watching rugby, I for one would hate to see that militant and almost pompous control of GAA games take place. In many ways our national games are synonymous with our tribal culture, that is what makes them special. It also makes them potentially dangerous if they are not steered in the right direction by officials, coaches, and stewards, albeit in a way that is relative to the spirit of the games.
I disagree with that statement. I have always been one for the movement of GAA refereeing away from the current style to the more respect driven Rugby attitude. It never helps when you have a ref who runs around verbally abusing players when the ref gets pissed off with them! There are few culprits fairly high up in the Tyrone game - People will prob know the offenders.
I think if the rugby style came in then there would be less incidents after matches - whilst obviously when there is trouble after a game this is not always the cause it is in some cases!
I couldn't agree more.
Respect is the fundamental problem and it works both ways. It simply doesn't happen in other sports (except low level soccer, to some extent) that you have referees or officials running around effing and blinding at the players. In our sport, even the top referee in the country has a mouth on him like a corner boy.
We need a new culture of respect. The starting point is a bit of grounding for referees in basic respectful behaviour - at the very least the elimination of the f**k word. Then we can enforce the rules that exist regarding respect for officials with some credibility.
I see cannibalism is alive & well in tyrone http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15775193
Quote from: BerfArmagh on November 21, 2011, 03:18:46 PM
I see cannibalism is alive & well in tyrone http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15775193
I heard a rumour theres a bit of Alastair Campbell going on here. Was the mans ear bitten off or was he wearing and ear ring and got it pulled out in the brawl? Just want to know because there is a BIG difference - can anyone clarify?
PS if its a true i'm still very alarmed...... that Carmen lads wear earrings!
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on November 21, 2011, 04:05:16 PM
Quote from: BerfArmagh on November 21, 2011, 03:18:46 PM
I see cannibalism is alive & well in tyrone http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15775193
I heard a rumour theres a bit of Alastair Campbell going on here. Was the mans ear bitten off or was he wearing and ear ring and got it pulled out in the brawl? Just want to know because there is a BIG difference - can anyone clarify?
PS if its a true i'm still very alarmed...... that Carmen lads wear earrings!
No, it is true enough, got a part of the lobe bitten off. He was operated on in Dundonald but stil lwaiting to see if it was sucessful. The same fellow is not a fighter.
Mind you the Dromore man pictured swinging is a Eucharistic minister.......
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/56702000/jpg/_56702404_fightingattyronegaagame2.jpg)
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Quote from: Radda bout yeee on November 21, 2011, 04:05:16 PM
Quote from: BerfArmagh on November 21, 2011, 03:18:46 PM
I see cannibalism is alive & well in tyrone http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15775193
I heard a rumour theres a bit of Alastair Campbell going on here. Was the mans ear bitten off or was he wearing and ear ring and got it pulled out in the brawl? Just want to know because there is a BIG difference - can anyone clarify?
PS if its a true i'm still very alarmed...... that Carmen lads wear earrings!
Very much bitten off. Doctors reckoned it was done with at least four 'chews'.
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 21, 2011, 05:14:33 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on November 21, 2011, 04:05:16 PM
Quote from: BerfArmagh on November 21, 2011, 03:18:46 PM
I see cannibalism is alive & well in tyrone http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15775193
I heard a rumour theres a bit of Alastair Campbell going on here. Was the mans ear bitten off or was he wearing and ear ring and got it pulled out in the brawl? Just want to know because there is a BIG difference - can anyone clarify?
PS if its a true i'm still very alarmed...... that Carmen lads wear earrings!
Very much bitten off. Doctors reckoned it was done with at least four 'chews'.
It's almost unbelievable that something like that would happen at a GAA match. The savage that did that needs to be prosecuted, fcking lunatic....
Slap me down if im wrong but a west tyronite told me today that a man lost the sight of an eye! Is this bullsh*t? Please tell me it is!
Quote from: rogueryhill on November 21, 2011, 10:01:19 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on November 20, 2011, 11:02:46 PM
These things have the potential to happen at any game, anywhere in the country. The only game I was ever at in Kerry was in the league a few years back when Tyrone played Kerry in Austin Stacks. My better half and I were seated beside a particularly aggressive element where if either of us had opened our mouths at the wrong time, I have no doubt that physical violence would have ensued. (by the way, our car had been keyed during the game-perhaps more to do with the Cork Reg. than anything!)
My point is that there is the potential for these things to happen at any sporting event and it does happen. I seem to remember a Clare club hurling match where the supporters held a player through the wire while the opposing team flailed him with hurleys.
Whataboutery? What about it? Maybe if the GAA and pundits concentrated a bit more on whataboutery, they could compile a dossier of incidents, analyse the root causes, look for trends and decide if changes need to be made or intuitive sessions need to be held because it does happen occasionally in all counties. Imposing massive fines and bans on the clubs concerned will do nothing to stop these things happening. I'm all for whataboutery!
I see some nonsense in today's Irish Times, comparing the role of the referees in Rugby to that of the GAA ref. While I enjoy watching rugby, I for one would hate to see that militant and almost pompous control of GAA games take place. In many ways our national games are synonymous with our tribal culture, that is what makes them special. It also makes them potentially dangerous if they are not steered in the right direction by officials, coaches, and stewards, albeit in a way that is relative to the spirit of the games.
Couldn't have said it better myself Tyrone club football = tribal culture. You can stick your tribal culture if it means referees getting assaulted, supporters getting their ears bitten off and the GAA making news headlines for all the wrong reasons.
Officials and coaches steering in the right direction? - you're having a laugh. A Rasharkin club official was prominent in their shenanigans and McGinn was manager when he was at his "Dromore Kiss" routine.
Whataboutery is for primary schoolyards ::)
The tribal nature of this country will always exist and should be acknowledged and nourished as an irish facet. 99% of the time it manifests itself in a positive way so if you want to disown that then go ahead. I know where I'll stand. Is it possible that we are Tyrone are more tribal than others-possible, as we do come from one of the last two Gaelic Kingdoms of Ireland and have endured recent troubles that other counties will never experience. Then why does it happen in other counties the length and breadth of Ireland?
Is it not obvious that that I implied the games
should be steered in the right direction by officials and coaches?
While I agree that players need to have more respect and vice-versa, I don't think that the rugby style ref is the road to go down-you run the danger of changing the dynamic of the game. The standard of officiating at all levels has been a joke for this past ten years and that needs to be addressed. Pat McAneny's style of refereeing should be used as a model for all officials. He seems to maintain control and momentum of a game without military inspired tactics.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on November 21, 2011, 08:31:08 PM
Slap me down if im wrong but a west tyronite told me today that a man lost the sight of an eye! Is this bullsh*t? Please tell me it is!
A Dromore man (brother of the brolly man I heard) did get a fractured eye socket, not sure how bad it was.
Quote from: Whishtup on November 21, 2011, 08:54:07 PM
Quote from: rogueryhill on November 21, 2011, 10:01:19 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on November 20, 2011, 11:02:46 PM
These things have the potential to happen at any game, anywhere in the country. The only game I was ever at in Kerry was in the league a few years back when Tyrone played Kerry in Austin Stacks. My better half and I were seated beside a particularly aggressive element where if either of us had opened our mouths at the wrong time, I have no doubt that physical violence would have ensued. (by the way, our car had been keyed during the game-perhaps more to do with the Cork Reg. than anything!)
My point is that there is the potential for these things to happen at any sporting event and it does happen. I seem to remember a Clare club hurling match where the supporters held a player through the wire while the opposing team flailed him with hurleys.
Whataboutery? What about it? Maybe if the GAA and pundits concentrated a bit more on whataboutery, they could compile a dossier of incidents, analyse the root causes, look for trends and decide if changes need to be made or intuitive sessions need to be held because it does happen occasionally in all counties. Imposing massive fines and bans on the clubs concerned will do nothing to stop these things happening. I'm all for whataboutery!
I see some nonsense in today's Irish Times, comparing the role of the referees in Rugby to that of the GAA ref. While I enjoy watching rugby, I for one would hate to see that militant and almost pompous control of GAA games take place. In many ways our national games are synonymous with our tribal culture, that is what makes them special. It also makes them potentially dangerous if they are not steered in the right direction by officials, coaches, and stewards, albeit in a way that is relative to the spirit of the games.
Couldn't have said it better myself Tyrone club football = tribal culture. You can stick your tribal culture if it means referees getting assaulted, supporters getting their ears bitten off and the GAA making news headlines for all the wrong reasons.
Officials and coaches steering in the right direction? - you're having a laugh. A Rasharkin club official was prominent in their shenanigans and McGinn was manager when he was at his "Dromore Kiss" routine.
Whataboutery is for primary schoolyards ::)
The tribal nature of this country will always exist and should be acknowledged and nourished as an irish facet. 99% of the time it manifests itself in a positive way so if you want to disown that then go ahead. I know where I'll stand. Is it possible that we are Tyrone are more tribal than others-possible, as we do come from one of the last two Gaelic Kingdoms of Ireland and have endured recent troubles that other counties will never experience. Then why does it happen in other counties the length and breadth of Ireland?
Is it not obvious that that I implied the games should be steered in the right direction by officials and coaches?
What are you talking about?
Quote from: Jinxy on November 21, 2011, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on November 21, 2011, 08:54:07 PM
Quote from: rogueryhill on November 21, 2011, 10:01:19 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on November 20, 2011, 11:02:46 PM
These things have the potential to happen at any game, anywhere in the country. The only game I was ever at in Kerry was in the league a few years back when Tyrone played Kerry in Austin Stacks. My better half and I were seated beside a particularly aggressive element where if either of us had opened our mouths at the wrong time, I have no doubt that physical violence would have ensued. (by the way, our car had been keyed during the game-perhaps more to do with the Cork Reg. than anything!)
My point is that there is the potential for these things to happen at any sporting event and it does happen. I seem to remember a Clare club hurling match where the supporters held a player through the wire while the opposing team flailed him with hurleys.
Whataboutery? What about it? Maybe if the GAA and pundits concentrated a bit more on whataboutery, they could compile a dossier of incidents, analyse the root causes, look for trends and decide if changes need to be made or intuitive sessions need to be held because it does happen occasionally in all counties. Imposing massive fines and bans on the clubs concerned will do nothing to stop these things happening. I'm all for whataboutery!
I see some nonsense in today's Irish Times, comparing the role of the referees in Rugby to that of the GAA ref. While I enjoy watching rugby, I for one would hate to see that militant and almost pompous control of GAA games take place. In many ways our national games are synonymous with our tribal culture, that is what makes them special. It also makes them potentially dangerous if they are not steered in the right direction by officials, coaches, and stewards, albeit in a way that is relative to the spirit of the games.
Couldn't have said it better myself Tyrone club football = tribal culture. You can stick your tribal culture if it means referees getting assaulted, supporters getting their ears bitten off and the GAA making news headlines for all the wrong reasons.
Officials and coaches steering in the right direction? - you're having a laugh. A Rasharkin club official was prominent in their shenanigans and McGinn was manager when he was at his "Dromore Kiss" routine.
Whataboutery is for primary schoolyards ::)
The tribal nature of this country will always exist and should be acknowledged and nourished as an irish facet. 99% of the time it manifests itself in a positive way so if you want to disown that then go ahead. I know where I'll stand. Is it possible that we are Tyrone are more tribal than others-possible, as we do come from one of the last two Gaelic Kingdoms of Ireland and have endured recent troubles that other counties will never experience. Then why does it happen in other counties the length and breadth of Ireland?
Is it not obvious that that I implied the games should be steered in the right direction by officials and coaches?
What are you talking about?
troubles
Quote from: Whishtup on November 21, 2011, 11:36:21 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 21, 2011, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on November 21, 2011, 08:54:07 PM
Quote from: rogueryhill on November 21, 2011, 10:01:19 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on November 20, 2011, 11:02:46 PM
These things have the potential to happen at any game, anywhere in the country. The only game I was ever at in Kerry was in the league a few years back when Tyrone played Kerry in Austin Stacks. My better half and I were seated beside a particularly aggressive element where if either of us had opened our mouths at the wrong time, I have no doubt that physical violence would have ensued. (by the way, our car had been keyed during the game-perhaps more to do with the Cork Reg. than anything!)
My point is that there is the potential for these things to happen at any sporting event and it does happen. I seem to remember a Clare club hurling match where the supporters held a player through the wire while the opposing team flailed him with hurleys.
Whataboutery? What about it? Maybe if the GAA and pundits concentrated a bit more on whataboutery, they could compile a dossier of incidents, analyse the root causes, look for trends and decide if changes need to be made or intuitive sessions need to be held because it does happen occasionally in all counties. Imposing massive fines and bans on the clubs concerned will do nothing to stop these things happening. I'm all for whataboutery!
I see some nonsense in today's Irish Times, comparing the role of the referees in Rugby to that of the GAA ref. While I enjoy watching rugby, I for one would hate to see that militant and almost pompous control of GAA games take place. In many ways our national games are synonymous with our tribal culture, that is what makes them special. It also makes them potentially dangerous if they are not steered in the right direction by officials, coaches, and stewards, albeit in a way that is relative to the spirit of the games.
Couldn't have said it better myself Tyrone club football = tribal culture. You can stick your tribal culture if it means referees getting assaulted, supporters getting their ears bitten off and the GAA making news headlines for all the wrong reasons.
Officials and coaches steering in the right direction? - you're having a laugh. A Rasharkin club official was prominent in their shenanigans and McGinn was manager when he was at his "Dromore Kiss" routine.
Whataboutery is for primary schoolyards ::)
The tribal nature of this country will always exist and should be acknowledged and nourished as an irish facet. 99% of the time it manifests itself in a positive way so if you want to disown that then go ahead. I know where I'll stand. Is it possible that we are Tyrone are more tribal than others-possible, as we do come from one of the last two Gaelic Kingdoms of Ireland and have endured recent troubles that other counties will never experience. Then why does it happen in other counties the length and breadth of Ireland?
Is it not obvious that that I implied the games should be steered in the right direction by officials and coaches?
What are you talking about?
troubles
You are a bollocks.
Quote from: trileacman on November 22, 2011, 01:36:52 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on November 21, 2011, 11:36:21 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 21, 2011, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on November 21, 2011, 08:54:07 PM
Quote from: rogueryhill on November 21, 2011, 10:01:19 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on November 20, 2011, 11:02:46 PM
These things have the potential to happen at any game, anywhere in the country. The only game I was ever at in Kerry was in the league a few years back when Tyrone played Kerry in Austin Stacks. My better half and I were seated beside a particularly aggressive element where if either of us had opened our mouths at the wrong time, I have no doubt that physical violence would have ensued. (by the way, our car had been keyed during the game-perhaps more to do with the Cork Reg. than anything!)
My point is that there is the potential for these things to happen at any sporting event and it does happen. I seem to remember a Clare club hurling match where the supporters held a player through the wire while the opposing team flailed him with hurleys.
Whataboutery? What about it? Maybe if the GAA and pundits concentrated a bit more on whataboutery, they could compile a dossier of incidents, analyse the root causes, look for trends and decide if changes need to be made or intuitive sessions need to be held because it does happen occasionally in all counties. Imposing massive fines and bans on the clubs concerned will do nothing to stop these things happening. I'm all for whataboutery!
I see some nonsense in today's Irish Times, comparing the role of the referees in Rugby to that of the GAA ref. While I enjoy watching rugby, I for one would hate to see that militant and almost pompous control of GAA games take place. In many ways our national games are synonymous with our tribal culture, that is what makes them special. It also makes them potentially dangerous if they are not steered in the right direction by officials, coaches, and stewards, albeit in a way that is relative to the spirit of the games.
Couldn't have said it better myself Tyrone club football = tribal culture. You can stick your tribal culture if it means referees getting assaulted, supporters getting their ears bitten off and the GAA making news headlines for all the wrong reasons.
Officials and coaches steering in the right direction? - you're having a laugh. A Rasharkin club official was prominent in their shenanigans and McGinn was manager when he was at his "Dromore Kiss" routine.
Whataboutery is for primary schoolyards ::)
The tribal nature of this country will always exist and should be acknowledged and nourished as an irish facet. 99% of the time it manifests itself in a positive way so if you want to disown that then go ahead. I know where I'll stand. Is it possible that we are Tyrone are more tribal than others-possible, as we do come from one of the last two Gaelic Kingdoms of Ireland and have endured recent troubles that other counties will never experience. Then why does it happen in other counties the length and breadth of Ireland?
Is it not obvious that that I implied the games should be steered in the right direction by officials and coaches?
What are you talking about?
troubles
You are a bollocks.
Calling me a sectarian and calling whistup a bollocks....you're quite the skilled debater aren't you ::)
Quote from: Whishtup on November 21, 2011, 08:54:07 PM
The tribal nature of this country will always exist and should be acknowledged and nourished as an irish facet. 99% of the time it manifests itself in a positive way so if you want to disown that then go ahead. I know where I'll stand. Is it possible that we are Tyrone are more tribal than others-possible, as we do come from one of the last two Gaelic Kingdoms of Ireland and have endured recent troubles that other counties will never experience. Then why does it happen in other counties the length and breadth of Ireland?
WTF? Are you Darby O'Gill?
trouble at St Brigids game at the weekend means that there are now 3 counties with bad manners. tisk tisk...
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 22, 2011, 09:50:27 AM
Calling me a sectarian and calling whistup a bollocks....you're quite the skilled debater aren't you ::)
He did no such thing. Are you Antony Cotton?
Quote from: LeoMc on November 21, 2011, 04:49:48 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on November 21, 2011, 04:05:16 PM
Quote from: BerfArmagh on November 21, 2011, 03:18:46 PM
I see cannibalism is alive & well in tyrone http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15775193
I heard a rumour theres a bit of Alastair Campbell going on here. Was the mans ear bitten off or was he wearing and ear ring and got it pulled out in the brawl? Just want to know because there is a BIG difference - can anyone clarify?
PS if its a true i'm still very alarmed...... that Carmen lads wear earrings!
No, it is true enough, got a part of the lobe bitten off. He was operated on in Dundonald but stil lwaiting to see if it was sucessful. The same fellow is not a fighter.
Mind you the Dromore man pictured swinging is a Eucharistic minister.......
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/56702000/jpg/_56702404_fightingattyronegaagame2.jpg)
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I think the image of the child terrified in his father arms in the background says it all, all concerned should be deeply ashamed of themselves, slowing bringing us down the soccer path
Quote from: BerfArmagh on November 22, 2011, 12:00:32 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 21, 2011, 04:49:48 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on November 21, 2011, 04:05:16 PM
Quote from: BerfArmagh on November 21, 2011, 03:18:46 PM
I see cannibalism is alive & well in tyrone http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15775193
I heard a rumour theres a bit of Alastair Campbell going on here. Was the mans ear bitten off or was he wearing and ear ring and got it pulled out in the brawl? Just want to know because there is a BIG difference - can anyone clarify?
PS if its a true i'm still very alarmed...... that Carmen lads wear earrings!
No, it is true enough, got a part of the lobe bitten off. He was operated on in Dundonald but stil lwaiting to see if it was sucessful. The same fellow is not a fighter.
Mind you the Dromore man pictured swinging is a Eucharistic minister.......
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/56702000/jpg/_56702404_fightingattyronegaagame2.jpg)
I think the image of the child terrified in his father arms in the background says it all, all concerned should be deeply ashamed of themselves, slowing bringing us down the soccer path
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Given who he is too and the servant he has been to Carrickmore and Tyrone over the years it makes it even sadder.
Quote from: rogueryhill on November 22, 2011, 10:42:23 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 22, 2011, 09:50:27 AM
Calling me a sectarian and calling whistup a bollocks....you're quite the skilled debater aren't you ::)
He did no such thing. Are you Antony Cotton?
Yes he did. Are you trileacman's boyfriend?
As far as I am concerned, the following is an accusation of sectarianism:
Quote from: trileacman on November 15, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
1. There seems to be a school of thought that the pitch brawl, "happens up and down the country" so that makes it all-right......
2. Alot of people running to the defence of Tyrone here too. If I read "sure it happens up and down the country" one more time I think I'll be sick......
I can only imagine the reaction from Nally and the boys if this happened at a Linfield/Portadown match. I'm sure they would be more than accommodating. ::) ::) ::)
Is tonight squeaky bum night Nally?
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 22, 2011, 10:19:01 AM
trouble at St Brigids game at the weekend means that there are now 3 counties with bad manners. tisk tisk...
Absolutely no comparison between a few angry supporters roaring at the ref and a man being hurt to the extent that he required surgery to reattach a part of his body.
You don't seem to get this up there.
True, there are incidents of indiscipline all over the country but the sheer level of violence in Tyrone defies belief.
Quote from: rrhf on November 22, 2011, 01:25:22 PM
Is tonight squeaky bum night Nally?
As far as I know, yes. Shall be interesting.
By the way great new website - thought the merchandise section is very well stocked. ;)
Quote from: hardstation on November 22, 2011, 01:57:29 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 22, 2011, 01:31:23 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 22, 2011, 10:19:01 AM
trouble at St Brigids game at the weekend means that there are now 3 counties with bad manners. tisk tisk...
Absolutely no comparison between a few angry supporters roaring at the ref and a man being hurt to the extent that he required surgery to reattach a part of his body.
You don't seem to get this up there.
True, there are incidents of indiscipline all over the country but the sheer level of violence in Tyrone defies belief.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmcXi00ckr0
In fairness Hardstation, that video must have been described incorrectly by whoever put it on youtube because apparently this kind of violence only happens in Tyrone.
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 22, 2011, 01:06:12 PM
Quote from: rogueryhill on November 22, 2011, 10:42:23 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 22, 2011, 09:50:27 AM
Calling me a sectarian and calling whistup a bollocks....you're quite the skilled debater aren't you ::)
He did no such thing. Are you Antony Cotton?
Yes he did. Are you trileacman's boyfriend?
Not sure. Is he medium build with blond hair? Are you askin'? You Carmen ones are such charmers ...when you're not biting lumps out of each other. :o
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As far as I am concerned, the following is an accusation of sectarianism:
Quote from: trileacman on November 15, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
1. There seems to be a school of thought that the pitch brawl, "happens up and down the country" so that makes it all-right......
2. Alot of people running to the defence of Tyrone here too. If I read "sure it happens up and down the country" one more time I think I'll be sick......
I can only imagine the reaction from Nally and the boys if this happened at a Linfield/Portadown match. I'm sure they would be more than accommodating. ::) ::) ::)
<puff>As far as I am concerned </puff> (had to puff myself up there to give it a proper air of authority) you are a pompous assh*le and I don't need anything other than your own quote to prove it ;D ;D ;D
I don't give a flying fcuk what you concern. You said he called you "a sectarian". He did no such thing.
Quote from: rogueryhill on November 22, 2011, 02:12:39 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 22, 2011, 01:06:12 PM
Quote from: rogueryhill on November 22, 2011, 10:42:23 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 22, 2011, 09:50:27 AM
Calling me a sectarian and calling whistup a bollocks....you're quite the skilled debater aren't you ::)
He did no such thing. Are you Antony Cotton?
Yes he did. Are you trileacman's boyfriend?
Not sure. Is he medium build with blond hair? Are you askin'? You Carmen ones are such charmers ...when you're not biting lumps out of each other. :o
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As far as I am concerned, the following is an accusation of sectarianism:
Quote from: trileacman on November 15, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
1. There seems to be a school of thought that the pitch brawl, "happens up and down the country" so that makes it all-right......
2. Alot of people running to the defence of Tyrone here too. If I read "sure it happens up and down the country" one more time I think I'll be sick......
I can only imagine the reaction from Nally and the boys if this happened at a Linfield/Portadown match. I'm sure they would be more than accommodating. ::) ::) ::)
<puff>As far as I am concerned </puff> (had to puff myself up there to give it a proper air of authority) you are a pompous assh*le and I don't need anything other than your own quote to prove it ;D ;D ;D
I don't give a flying fcuk what you concern. You said he called you "a sectarian". He did no such thing.
With counter arguments like that, maybe you should join trileacman's debating team.
(pompous?! lol)
Quote from: hardstation on November 22, 2011, 01:57:29 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 22, 2011, 01:31:23 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 22, 2011, 10:19:01 AM
trouble at St Brigids game at the weekend means that there are now 3 counties with bad manners. tisk tisk...
Absolutely no comparison between a few angry supporters roaring at the ref and a man being hurt to the extent that he required surgery to reattach a part of his body.
You don't seem to get this up there.
True, there are incidents of indiscipline all over the country but the sheer level of violence in Tyrone defies belief.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmcXi00ckr0
If that was Tyrone, he would have gone for the head.
Quote from: Jinxy on November 22, 2011, 04:06:57 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 22, 2011, 01:57:29 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 22, 2011, 01:31:23 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 22, 2011, 10:19:01 AM
trouble at St Brigids game at the weekend means that there are now 3 counties with bad manners. tisk tisk...
Absolutely no comparison between a few angry supporters roaring at the ref and a man being hurt to the extent that he required surgery to reattach a part of his body.
You don't seem to get this up there.
True, there are incidents of indiscipline all over the country but the sheer level of violence in Tyrone defies belief.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmcXi00ckr0
If that was Tyrone, he would have gone for the head.
Ah I dunno. Going for the head seems more of a Meath thing
(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/14/80/54/93/img01810.jpg)
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/b5/e2/54/3800de73c1a2435a371021a285/INPHO_00006230.jpg)
It's probably for the best that ye stick to fighting amongst yourselves.
Doesn't work out too well when you try it on with other counties.
Jinxy, what are all these incidents in tyrone that you keep harping? apart from this one, i can't think of too many, some silly thing at the ladies final earlier this year, i hope wer not including that!
If anything, most people would count tyrone football soft in comparison to most ulster counties (in terms of rough and hard hitting football). They were always known as the county with all the small men. Anyway, their clubs should be focusing on doing something in the ulster club rather than silly league finals in november!
Quote from: Jinxy on November 22, 2011, 05:29:25 PM
It's probably for the best that ye stick to fighting amongst yourselves.
Doesn't work out too well when you try it on with other counties.
It's probably for the best that ye stick to fighting amongst your own countrymen.
Doesn't work out too well when you try it on with other countries.
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2008/10/22/geraghty1.jpg)
(http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/00211/2210_DanylePearce_h_211885t.jpg)
Quote from: trileacman on November 22, 2011, 01:36:52 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on November 21, 2011, 11:36:21 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 21, 2011, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on November 21, 2011, 08:54:07 PM
Quote from: rogueryhill on November 21, 2011, 10:01:19 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on November 20, 2011, 11:02:46 PM
These things have the potential to happen at any game, anywhere in the country. The only game I was ever at in Kerry was in the league a few years back when Tyrone played Kerry in Austin Stacks. My better half and I were seated beside a particularly aggressive element where if either of us had opened our mouths at the wrong time, I have no doubt that physical violence would have ensued. (by the way, our car had been keyed during the game-perhaps more to do with the Cork Reg. than anything!)
My point is that there is the potential for these things to happen at any sporting event and it does happen. I seem to remember a Clare club hurling match where the supporters held a player through the wire while the opposing team flailed him with hurleys.
Whataboutery? What about it? Maybe if the GAA and pundits concentrated a bit more on whataboutery, they could compile a dossier of incidents, analyse the root causes, look for trends and decide if changes need to be made or intuitive sessions need to be held because it does happen occasionally in all counties. Imposing massive fines and bans on the clubs concerned will do nothing to stop these things happening. I'm all for whataboutery!
I see some nonsense in today's Irish Times, comparing the role of the referees in Rugby to that of the GAA ref. While I enjoy watching rugby, I for one would hate to see that militant and almost pompous control of GAA games take place. In many ways our national games are synonymous with our tribal culture, that is what makes them special. It also makes them potentially dangerous if they are not steered in the right direction by officials, coaches, and stewards, albeit in a way that is relative to the spirit of the games.
Couldn't have said it better myself Tyrone club football = tribal culture. You can stick your tribal culture if it means referees getting assaulted, supporters getting their ears bitten off and the GAA making news headlines for all the wrong reasons.
Officials and coaches steering in the right direction? - you're having a laugh. A Rasharkin club official was prominent in their shenanigans and McGinn was manager when he was at his "Dromore Kiss" routine.
Whataboutery is for primary schoolyards ::)
The tribal nature of this country will always exist and should be acknowledged and nourished as an irish facet. 99% of the time it manifests itself in a positive way so if you want to disown that then go ahead. I know where I'll stand. Is it possible that we are Tyrone are more tribal than others-possible, as we do come from one of the last two Gaelic Kingdoms of Ireland and have endured recent troubles that other counties will never experience. Then why does it happen in other counties the length and breadth of Ireland?
Is it not obvious that that I implied the games should be steered in the right direction by officials and coaches?
What are you talking about?
troubles
You are a bollocks.
Tell me, Trillick boy, what part of my musings above (and that's all they are) led you to launch such an attack on me? I'd like to know...
Quote from: Jinxy on November 22, 2011, 05:29:25 PM
It's probably for the best that ye stick to fighting amongst yourselves.
Doesn't work out too well when you try it on with other counties.
Outraged at other counties thuggish antics but proud of your own, you're getting closer to honesty here. Keep going.
Quote from: Jinxy on November 22, 2011, 01:31:23 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 22, 2011, 10:19:01 AM
trouble at St Brigids game at the weekend means that there are now 3 counties with bad manners. tisk tisk...
Absolutely no comparison between a few angry supporters roaring at the ref and a man being hurt to the extent that he required surgery to reattach a part of his body.
You don't seem to get this up there.
True, there are incidents of indiscipline all over the country but the sheer level of violence in Tyrone defies belief.
go and catch yourself on - 'the sheer level of violence' - presumably you and Mike f**king sheehy have been working on a league table this last 5 years or so? Bollox. Antrim is thuggish as f**k, as is derry - maybe Tyrone find themselves in the spotlight, but in no way are they offering a level of violence, that 'defies belief'.....f**k sake
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 22, 2011, 09:29:16 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 22, 2011, 01:31:23 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 22, 2011, 10:19:01 AM
trouble at St Brigids game at the weekend means that there are now 3 counties with bad manners. tisk tisk...
Absolutely no comparison between a few angry supporters roaring at the ref and a man being hurt to the extent that he required surgery to reattach a part of his body.
You don't seem to get this up there.
True, there are incidents of indiscipline all over the country but the sheer level of violence in Tyrone defies belief.
go and catch yourself on - 'the sheer level of violence' - presumably you and Mike f**king sheehy have been working on a league table this last 5 years or so? Bollox. Antrim is thuggish as f**k, as is derry - maybe Tyrone find themselves in the spotlight, but in no way are they offering a level of violence, that 'defies belief'.....f**k sake
you really are an angry foul mouthed baboon aren't you. It must be the natural brit hooligan in you coming out.
The problem with lads like you and Nally Stand is that you take too many handouts from the British state. You feel guilty about it so you come on here acting the uber-republicans or go to football matches and start hammering the shite out of each other to prove what great Gaels you are.
Stop taking the Queens shilling and being such britboys and maybe, someday, we might acknowledge you as proper Irishmen.
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 22, 2011, 09:29:16 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 22, 2011, 01:31:23 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 22, 2011, 10:19:01 AM
trouble at St Brigids game at the weekend means that there are now 3 counties with bad manners. tisk tisk...
Absolutely no comparison between a few angry supporters roaring at the ref and a man being hurt to the extent that he required surgery to reattach a part of his body.
You don't seem to get this up there.
True, there are incidents of indiscipline all over the country but the sheer level of violence in Tyrone defies belief.
go and catch yourself on - 'the sheer level of violence' - presumably you and Mike f**king sheehy have been working on a league table this last 5 years or so? Bollox. Antrim is thuggish as f**k, as is derry - maybe Tyrone find themselves in the spotlight, but in no way are they offering a level of violence, that 'defies belief'.....f**k sake
Explain the incidents making antrim "thuggish as f**k"??!! One incident this year and the odd bit of fighting - what specific examples do you have?? That club in antrim have individuals who have made them a disaster waiting to happen for years.
Rows happens in every county as it's a competitive game. Some dude got his ear bitten off though which is a step above what happens elsewhere. This is worse than what has happened almost anywhere else. Noel Donnelly's headbutt was about as bad as you would see anywhere too and then there was the ladies football thing too.
A lot of places have maniacs and obviously some of these clubs have them as no civilised human being would engage in ear biting. Your county is getting really bad press because of people such as the above and it very clearly needs something serious done about it.
There are people clearly trying to wind you up and it would appear quite an easy task to do. No reason to bring other counties into it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 22, 2011, 10:49:42 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 22, 2011, 09:29:16 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 22, 2011, 01:31:23 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 22, 2011, 10:19:01 AM
trouble at St Brigids game at the weekend means that there are now 3 counties with bad manners. tisk tisk...
Absolutely no comparison between a few angry supporters roaring at the ref and a man being hurt to the extent that he required surgery to reattach a part of his body.
You don't seem to get this up there.
True, there are incidents of indiscipline all over the country but the sheer level of violence in Tyrone defies belief.
go and catch yourself on - 'the sheer level of violence' - presumably you and Mike f**king sheehy have been working on a league table this last 5 years or so? Bollox. Antrim is thuggish as f**k, as is derry - maybe Tyrone find themselves in the spotlight, but in no way are they offering a level of violence, that 'defies belief'.....f**k sake
Explain the incidents making antrim "thuggish as f**k"??!! One incident this year and the odd bit of fighting - what specific examples do you have?? That club in antrim have individuals who have made them a disaster waiting to happen for years.
Rows happens in every county as it's a competitive game. Some dude got his ear bitten off though which is a step above what happens elsewhere. This is worse than what has happened almost anywhere else. Noel Donnelly's headbutt was about as bad as you would see anywhere too and then there was the ladies football thing too.
A lot of places have maniacs and obviously some of these clubs have them as no civilised human being would engage in ear biting. Your county is getting really bad press because of people such as the above and it very clearly needs something serious done about it.
There are people clearly trying to wind you up and it would appear quite an easy task to do. No reason to bring other counties into it.
Jesus poor aul Noel Donnelly done manys the thing but I think you have him confused with Noel McGinn.
I'vr read this thread with interest for a few days now, and never felt the need to comment until Mike Sheehys latest offering.
I know you are on the wind, but this is beyond the line in the sand. Please do not diminish someone's "irishness" based on the fact that they have been born and raised in the north of this island. A life living in the safe cocoon of Kerry, free from the daily prejudice and downright hatred alot of us "west Brits" have suffered for decades is one to be thankful for.
I dare say that alot of us who take the "queens shillings" have had to work for and preserve our Irishness more than you could ever imagine.
If you have an issue with Tyrone GAA so be it, but don't presume that us northerners are somehow less Irish than you.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 22, 2011, 10:43:49 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 22, 2011, 09:29:16 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 22, 2011, 01:31:23 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 22, 2011, 10:19:01 AM
trouble at St Brigids game at the weekend means that there are now 3 counties with bad manners. tisk tisk...
Absolutely no comparison between a few angry supporters roaring at the ref and a man being hurt to the extent that he required surgery to reattach a part of his body.
You don't seem to get this up there.
True, there are incidents of indiscipline all over the country but the sheer level of violence in Tyrone defies belief.
go and catch yourself on - 'the sheer level of violence' - presumably you and Mike f**king sheehy have been working on a league table this last 5 years or so? Bollox. Antrim is thuggish as f**k, as is derry - maybe Tyrone find themselves in the spotlight, but in no way are they offering a level of violence, that 'defies belief'.....f**k sake
you really are an angry foul mouthed baboon aren't you. It must be the natural brit hooligan in you coming out.
The problem with lads like you and Nally Stand is that you take too many handouts from the British state. You feel guilty about it so you come on here acting the uber-republicans or go to football matches and start hammering the shite out of each other to prove what great Gaels you are.
Stop taking the Queens shilling and being such britboys and maybe, someday, we might acknowledge you as proper Irishmen.
As opposed to the German's handouts. ;D
Quote from: DoYerJob Linesman on November 22, 2011, 11:02:01 PM
I'vr read this thread with interest for a few days now, and never felt the need to comment until Mike Sheehys latest offering.
I know you are on the wind, but this is beyond the line in the sand. Please do not diminish someone's "irishness" based on the fact that they have been born and raised in the north of this island. A life living in the safe cocoon of Kerry, free from the daily prejudice and downright hatred alot of us "west Brits" have suffered for decades is one to be thankful for.
I dare say that alot of us who take the "queens shillings" have had to work for and preserve our Irishness more than you could ever imagine.
If you have an issue with Tyrone GAA so be it, but don't presume that us northerners are somehow less Irish than you.
+1
QuoteA life living in the safe cocoon of Kerry,
I'd say the aforesaid Mike Sheehy spends a lot of time 5000km away from Kerry in the next parish to the west.
When will the outcome of last nights discipline meeting be known?
Whenever someone looks under the carpet.
Yip your right Spuds, they've got away with again ::) :o ???
I wasnt suggesting that they would get away with it. I was suggesting that the suspensions/fines would be kept from public (media) knowledge.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 22, 2011, 10:49:42 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 22, 2011, 09:29:16 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 22, 2011, 01:31:23 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 22, 2011, 10:19:01 AM
trouble at St Brigids game at the weekend means that there are now 3 counties with bad manners. tisk tisk...
Absolutely no comparison between a few angry supporters roaring at the ref and a man being hurt to the extent that he required surgery to reattach a part of his body.
You don't seem to get this up there.
True, there are incidents of indiscipline all over the country but the sheer level of violence in Tyrone defies belief.
go and catch yourself on - 'the sheer level of violence' - presumably you and Mike f**king sheehy have been working on a league table this last 5 years or so? Bollox. Antrim is thuggish as f**k, as is derry - maybe Tyrone find themselves in the spotlight, but in no way are they offering a level of violence, that 'defies belief'.....f**k sake
Explain the incidents making antrim "thuggish as f**k"??!! One incident this year and the odd bit of fighting - what specific examples do you have?? That club in antrim have individuals who have made them a disaster waiting to happen for years.
Rows happens in every county as it's a competitive game. Some dude got his ear bitten off though which is a step above what happens elsewhere. This is worse than what has happened almost anywhere else. Noel Donnelly's headbutt was about as bad as you would see anywhere too and then there was the ladies football thing too.
A lot of places have maniacs and obviously some of these clubs have them as no civilised human being would engage in ear biting. Your county is getting really bad press because of people such as the above and it very clearly needs something serious done about it.
There are people clearly trying to wind you up and it would appear quite an easy task to do. No reason to bring other counties into it.
The antrim games include 2 x St Johns at senior and at minor level, as well as another game involving Rasharkin. All three of which i attended. I go to quite a few games in quite a few counties, so it wasnt a remark made to slag off Antrim footballer, of which i am a supporter. It was to make the comment which you eventually ended up endorsing, which is this sort of shite happens everywhere, and not just in Tyrone.
in relation to being easily wound up? f**k all to do with it, Sheehy is a gombeen p***k
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 22, 2011, 10:43:49 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 22, 2011, 09:29:16 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 22, 2011, 01:31:23 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 22, 2011, 10:19:01 AM
trouble at St Brigids game at the weekend means that there are now 3 counties with bad manners. tisk tisk...
Absolutely no comparison between a few angry supporters roaring at the ref and a man being hurt to the extent that he required surgery to reattach a part of his body.
You don't seem to get this up there.
True, there are incidents of indiscipline all over the country but the sheer level of violence in Tyrone defies belief.
go and catch yourself on - 'the sheer level of violence' - presumably you and Mike f**king sheehy have been working on a league table this last 5 years or so? Bollox. Antrim is thuggish as f**k, as is derry - maybe Tyrone find themselves in the spotlight, but in no way are they offering a level of violence, that 'defies belief'.....f**k sake
you really are an angry foul mouthed baboon aren't you. It must be the natural brit hooligan in you coming out.
The problem with lads like you and Nally Stand is that you take too many handouts from the British state. You feel guilty about it so you come on here acting the uber-republicans or go to football matches and start hammering the shite out of each other to prove what great Gaels you are.
Stop taking the Queens shilling and being such britboys and maybe, someday, we might acknowledge you as proper Irishmen.
run along country boy and get back to knitting those tin whistles....
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 23, 2011, 05:06:21 PM
run along country boy and get back to knitting those tin whistles....
I have to vote this as the singularly most ridiculous comment of the year
Quote from: spuds on November 23, 2011, 08:41:35 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 23, 2011, 05:06:21 PM
run along country boy and get back to knitting those tin whistles....
I have to vote this as the singularly most ridiculous comment of the year
agree
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 23, 2011, 09:21:59 PM
Quote from: spuds on November 23, 2011, 08:41:35 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 23, 2011, 05:06:21 PM
run along country boy and get back to knitting those tin whistles....
I have to vote this as the singularly most ridiculous comment of the year
agree
yes, you are a bit ridiculous aren't you...and whats with the continuous editing of your posts ?...you are quite the ditherer, eh chap.
It's probably due to that schizophrenic "I'm-an-uber-republican-but-I-take-british-handouts" thing you have golng on.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 24, 2011, 07:59:35 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 23, 2011, 09:21:59 PM
Quote from: spuds on November 23, 2011, 08:41:35 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 23, 2011, 05:06:21 PM
run along country boy and get back to knitting those tin whistles....
I have to vote this as the singularly most ridiculous comment of the year
agree
yes, you are a bit ridiculous aren't you...and whats with the continuous editing of your posts ?...you are quite the ditherer, eh chap.
It's probably due to that schizophrenic "I'm-an-uber-republican-but-I-take-british-handouts" thing you have golng on.
Something about a black kettle and a pot that's the same colour??
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1708298/Ireland-bailout-will-cost-UK-families-300.html
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 24, 2011, 07:59:35 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 23, 2011, 09:21:59 PM
Quote from: spuds on November 23, 2011, 08:41:35 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 23, 2011, 05:06:21 PM
run along country boy and get back to knitting those tin whistles....
I
I have to vote this as the singularly most ridiculous comment of the year
agree
yes, you are a bit ridiculous aren't you...and whats with the continuous editing of your posts ?...you are quite the ditherer, eh chap.
It's probably due to that schizophrenic "I'm-an-uber-republican-but-I-take-british-handouts" thing you have golng on.
I see your German is coming on leaps and bounds. Trying to impress your masters :D
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on November 24, 2011, 07:59:35 AM
It's probably due to that schizophrenic "I'm-an-uber-republican-but-I-take-british-handouts" thing you have golng on.
Ich bin sicher, eine solche freie Stater wie dich selbst nicht wüssten nichts über die Annahme ausländischer Gelder
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trouble at St Brigids game at the weekend means that there are now 3 counties with bad manners. tisk tisk...
Absolutely no comparison between a few angry supporters roaring at the ref and a man being hurt to the extent that he required surgery to reattach a part of his body.
You don't seem to get this up there.
True, there are incidents of indiscipline all over the country but the sheer level of violence in Tyrone defies belief.
go and catch yourself on - 'the sheer level of violence' - presumably you and Mike f**king sheehy have been working on a league table this last 5 years or so? Bollox. Antrim is thuggish as f**k, as is derry - maybe Tyrone find themselves in the spotlight, but in no way are they offering a level of violence, that 'defies belief'.....f**k sake
Explain the incidents making antrim "thuggish as f**k"??!! One incident this year and the odd bit of fighting - what specific examples do you have?? That club in antrim have individuals who have made them a disaster waiting to happen for years.
Rows happens in every county as it's a competitive game. Some dude got his ear bitten off though which is a step above what happens elsewhere. This is worse than what has happened almost anywhere else. Noel Donnelly's headbutt was about as bad as you would see anywhere too and then there was the ladies football thing too.
A lot of places have maniacs and obviously some of these clubs have them as no civilised human being would engage in ear biting. Your county is getting really bad press because of people such as the above and it very clearly needs something serious done about it.
There are people clearly trying to wind you up and it would appear quite an easy task to do. No reason to bring other counties into it.
The antrim games include 2 x St Johns at senior and at minor level, as well as another game involving Rasharkin. All three of which i attended. I go to quite a few games in quite a few counties, so it wasnt a remark made to slag off Antrim footballer, of which i am a supporter. It was to make the comment which you eventually ended up endorsing, which is this sort of shite happens everywhere, and not just in Tyrone.
in relation to being easily wound up? f**k all to do with it, Sheehy is a gombeen p***k
What happened here?
senior game - massive brawl, including benches - albeit a brief one. after a minor game, some (alot) of fans were squaring up...
Any word? I thought that the punishment would be common knowledge by now. Kildress had a few disciplinary issues to get heard at the same meeting and the word was through yesterday???
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on November 24, 2011, 04:18:26 PM
Any word? I thought that the punishment would be common knowledge by now. Kildress had a few disciplinary issues to get heard at the same meeting and the word was through yesterday???
i thought word was out tomorrow
According to the Irish News today:
"Tyrone's disciplinary committee failed to reach a verdict after it met on Tuesday night. The Tyrone board released a statement yesterday which confirmed that the Competitions Control Committee is hoping to reveal what penalties will be imposed tomorrow." [my emphasis]
Hmmm, unfortunate choice of words there by the IN and/or Board. Maybe Moortown Spuds isn't far of the mark ???
From what I heard the ''failed to reach a verdict'' is more of a failure to agree on the severity of punishments. I don't think the verdict was ever in question.
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 24, 2011, 04:54:30 PM
According to the Irish News today:
"Tyrone's disciplinary committee failed to reach a verdict after it met on Tuesday night. The Tyrone board released a statement yesterday which confirmed that the Competitions Control Committee is hoping to reveal what penalties will be imposed tomorrow." [my emphasis]
Hmmm, unfortunate choice of words there by the IN and/or Board. Maybe Moortown Spuds isn't far of the mark ???
Not that I agree that either club should be sanctioned but I think that it will be drawn out and the delay tactic will be utilised. There were some gimps/trolls calling for ground closure a week ago, they have shut up or gone away in the meantime. The longer the CCC leave it the less the suspension they can/will dish out.
Yesterday's statement contained what I hope was just a typo. Otherwise, only one club is going to be facing sanction:
"The Tyrone CCC has had two meetings to discuss the incidents surrounding the O'Neills Tyrone ACL Division 1 Final. Whilst significant progress has been made the CCC are reluctant to conclude the process until they have considered all the information presented to them. It is anticipated that the matter will be concluded by Friday of this week. The details of any proposed sanctions will be issued directly to the secretary of the club so as not to prejudice any appeal hearing which may arise."
I heard a flock of old ravens circled carmen in the dead of night before landing on the apex of the nally stand. Could this be a sign
Following a lengthy investigative process by The CCC in Tyrone Carrickmore and Dromore clubs have been issued with heavy suspensions and fines after ugly scenes which marred the recent Division One League Final. Four individuals from each club allegedly involved in the trouble outside the wire received one year suspensions while three players from the Carrickmore club were issued with suspensions totalling seventy two weeks.
The clubs were also fined £300 and ordered to play their next two competitive fixtures against each other at a neutral venue with the proceeds going to charity. In addition to these sanctions neither side will be allowed to take part in the top four playoffs for the 2012 Division One League title.
These are understood to be the toughest set of disciplinary determinations ever issued by The CCC and will surely cause much debate over the coming weeks.
Quote from: shezam on November 25, 2011, 09:20:22 AM
Following a lengthy investigative process by The CCC in Tyrone Carrickmore and Dromore clubs have been issued with heavy suspensions and fines after ugly scenes which marred the recent Division One League Final. Four individuals from each club allegedly involved in the trouble outside the wire received one year suspensions while three players from the Carrickmore club were issued with suspensions totalling seventy two weeks.
The clubs were also fined £300 and ordered to play their next two competitive fixtures against each other at a neutral venue with the proceeds going to charity. In addition to these sanctions neither side will be allowed to take part in the top four playoffs for the 2012 Division One League title.
These are understood to be the toughest set of disciplinary determinations ever issued by The CCC and will surely cause much debate over the coming weeks.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: shezam on November 25, 2011, 09:20:22 AM
Following a lengthy investigative process by The CCC in Tyrone Carrickmore and Dromore clubs have been issued with heavy suspensions and fines after ugly scenes which marred the recent Division One League Final. Four individuals from each club allegedly involved in the trouble outside the wire received one year suspensions while three players from the Carrickmore club were issued with suspensions totalling seventy two weeks.
The clubs were also fined £300 and ordered to play their next two competitive fixtures against each other at a neutral venue with the proceeds going to charity. In addition to these sanctions neither side will be allowed to take part in the top four playoffs for the 2012 Division One League title.
These are understood to be the toughest set of disciplinary determinations ever issued by The CCC and will surely cause much debate over the coming weeks.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
How come Carmen got 7 suspended and Dromore 4?
And Radda's right, the sentence is not that severe. Common sense from the CCC.
Radda what the f**k are you laughing at? Where the Carmen players fighting with themselves? How come oneCarmen player had a black eye and another got brusied ribs in the row. Yet again the verbals goes unpunished!!!!
Ah Jeez Roddy yer some craic... I would keep my mouth shut to be honest, fair play to ye's - both clubs are away in the smoke. You can focus all your energy on the championship. Now its time to move on. At least one of the suspended players was playing his last game anyway.
League games between the two at a neutral venue! Is this to avoid trouble? Might I suggest Dunmoyle?
Quote from: Wee Roddy on November 25, 2011, 09:28:40 AM
Radda what the f**k are you laughing at? Where the Carmen players fighting with themselves? How come oneCarmen player had a black eye and another got brusied ribs in the row. Yet again the verbals goes unpunished!!!!
Roddy, apparantly video evidence did not look good for Carmen as Dromore players never struck once and they say that Dromore were expecting more than 3 Carmen men to get suspended. If these suspensions are correct they will be livid in Dromore and delighted in Carmen as it looks like one particular high profile player will have got away with what he is alleged to have done.
Quote from: Wee Roddy on November 25, 2011, 09:28:40 AM
Radda what the f**k are you laughing at? Where the Carmen players fighting with themselves? How come oneCarmen player had a black eye and another got brusied ribs in the row. Yet again the verbals goes unpunished!!!!
Cool your Jets Roddy - I was just laughing at the sentence - I would say bar the whole players thing (and the major suspension for Gabby not really worth anything as he's retired from what i hear) you would have took that outcome when the whole 'handling' was at its worst and all over the news!
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 25, 2011, 09:42:25 AM
League games between the two at a neutral venue! Is this to avoid trouble? Might I suggest Dunmoyle?
:D :D :D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 25, 2011, 09:42:25 AM
League games between the two at a neutral venue! Is this to avoid trouble? Might I suggest Dunmoyle?
Yis can feck off. We don't want our ground's name dragged through the muck again!
Those questioning the belly of the county board after this must qualify the fact that the lack of a solid GAA rule book has allowed our games to become lawless, suitable for thugs and the sad reality is that it opens the door at some stage in the future for police assuming stewardship of our crowds at our games before too long in order to control our so called true gaels. That could be the legacy of the likes of Dromore and Carmen and their vicious little smallminded battles.
I'll tell you what, if what is reported on here is true, it is a joke. It certainly won't put other teams and their supporters off from having another riot. Tyrone CCC a gutless bunch. Both clubs insulted our organisation and this is the high of their punishment.Simply pathetic.
£300 and a neutral venue . . . Dear Lord!
Some of the worst violence at a GAA match ever and this is what the CCCCCC decide? £300 is the weekly lotto for these teams.
Toothless toothless toothless!
And before anyone starts having a go at Derry's handling of disciplinary procedures I have said many times here that our CCCCCC are as useless as anybody elses!!!
Antrim seem to be the only ones with a set of balls around the place.
Quote from: screenexile on November 25, 2011, 10:04:15 AM
£300 and a neutral venue . . . Dear Lord!
Some of the worst violence at a GAA match ever and this is what the CCCCCC decide? £300 is the weekly lotto for these teams.
Toothless toothless toothless!
And before anyone starts having a go at Derry's handling of disciplinary procedures I have said many times here that our CCCCCC are as useless as anybody elses!!!
Antrim seem to be the only ones with a set of balls around the place.
No county men in Rasharkin.
Some of the worst viloence ever!!! Another who wasnt at it might I add. Hardly
Quote from: Wee Roddy on November 25, 2011, 10:06:40 AM
Some of the worst viloence ever!!! Another who wasnt at it might I add. Hardly
Wee Roddy, you can take yourself off te feck. Your club and Dromore embarressed me, my club and our association. Have a go at each other on the pitch, but taking into the stands is another level. Shame on your club, shame on Dromore and shame on the CCC.
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Some of the worst viloence ever!!! Another who wasnt at it might I add. Hardly
Wee Roddy, you can take yourself off te feck. Your club and Dromore embarressed me, my club and our association. Have a go at each other on the pitch, but taking into the stands is another level. Shame on your club, shame on Dromore and shame on the CCC.
FFS get over yourself and stop being a dramatist!! ROMEO ROMEO...
Quote from: Wee Roddy on November 25, 2011, 10:06:40 AM
Some of the worst viloence ever!!! Another who wasnt at it might I add. Hardly
Some guy gets his ear bitten half off and another has a busted eye socket . . . do you want to pinpoint instances the same or similar that have ever occured?!!
Im on about the field. Point taken regarding the stand. However it was a tricky one. The four Carrickmore supporters who got suspended are not even menbers and only it was a final they would not have been there most likely. How do you police these individuals. I cant speak for Dromore
very tame sanctions. if i was from carmen or dromore i'd be delighted today.
Sorry folks, IMO these suspensions are a joke.
My own club where involved in a far less serious incident a few years ago and the suspensions handed out (on the back of NO video evidence)where far more serious than this, as well as the opposition having thier feild closed for a year.
The CCC have showed a complete lack of balls in dealing with the big clubs again. They seem happy enough to suspend lower profile players and small clubs left right and centre, but show no consistancy across the board.
The fella that bit a part of someones ear off should never set foot in a GAA ground again.
As someone else said a £300 fine is a joke, you would have nearly got that a few years ago for wearing the wrong coloured socks in the championship
Anyone from carrickmore complaining that dromore got no player suspensions should cop themselves on and count themselves very lucky at how lightly some of their own players got off.
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Quote from: Nally Stand on November 25, 2011, 09:42:25 AM
League games between the two at a neutral venue! Is this to avoid trouble? Might I suggest Dunmoyle?
Yis can feck off. We don't want our ground's name dragged through the muck again!
I suppose yis are more than capable of doing so yourselves.
Is it convenient? They were the four people picked out from the county board from the official video. Perhaps they were strategically placed there or superimposed onto the tape ::)
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Quote from: Nally Stand on November 25, 2011, 09:42:25 AM
League games between the two at a neutral venue! Is this to avoid trouble? Might I suggest Dunmoyle?
Yis can feck off. We don't want our ground's name dragged through the muck again!
I suppose yis are more than capable of doing so yourselves.
How dare you suggest we would stoop to low actions as demonstrated in dunmoyle by Carrickmore and Dromore. Animals behave better. >:(
Both clubs need to reflect on their actions and clean up their act.
Were Urney not hard done by a few times for 'crimes' of a less serious nature?
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Quote from: Nally Stand on November 25, 2011, 09:42:25 AM
League games between the two at a neutral venue! Is this to avoid trouble? Might I suggest Dunmoyle?
Yis can feck off. We don't want our ground's name dragged through the muck again!
I suppose yis are more than capable of doing so yourselves.
How dare you suggest we would stoop to low actions as demonstrated in dunmoyle by Carrickmore and Dromore. Animals behave better. >:(
Both clubs need to reflect on their actions and clean up their act.
Every time I see someone from Errigal or Kildress trying to preach about discipline, I can't help but laugh :D
True words spoken EC. The ball is in both clubs hands. I think Nally was only winding man
Quote from: shezam on November 25, 2011, 09:20:22 AM
These are understood to be the toughest set of disciplinary determinations ever issued by The CCC
Looks like that's the problem right there, then.
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Quote from: Nally Stand on November 25, 2011, 09:42:25 AM
League games between the two at a neutral venue! Is this to avoid trouble? Might I suggest Dunmoyle?
Yis can feck off. We don't want our ground's name dragged through the muck again!
I suppose yis are more than capable of doing so yourselves.
How dare you suggest we would stoop to low actions as demonstrated in dunmoyle by Carrickmore and Dromore. Animals behave better. >:(
Both clubs need to reflect on their actions and clean up their act.
Every time I see someone from Errigal or Kildress trying to preach about discipline, I can't help but laugh :D
Makes me laugh too! Also makes me sad when we get the absolute full wrath of the county board when we step out of line whereas Carmen lose half their weeks lotto money (which reminds me must get my ticket this week) and send 4 more patsys up for the sentencing!
Quote from: Wee Roddy on November 25, 2011, 10:28:41 AM
Im on about the field. Point taken regarding the stand. However it was a tricky one. The four Carrickmore supporters who got suspended are not even menbers and only it was a final they would not have been there most likely. How do you police these individuals. I cant speak for Dromore
I never saw the video but I did see the pictures in the paper and I could see one of your hurlers right in the middle of it - how did he get away in the smoke then?
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Quote from: Wee Roddy on November 25, 2011, 10:28:41 AM
Im on about the field. Point taken regarding the stand. However it was a tricky one. The four Carrickmore supporters who got suspended are not even menbers and only it was a final they would not have been there most likely. How do you police these individuals. I cant speak for Dromore
I never saw the video but I did see the pictures in the paper and I could see one of your hurlers right in the middle of it - how did he get away in the smoke then?
This wasn't a hurling game though.
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Quote from: Wee Roddy on November 25, 2011, 10:28:41 AM
Im on about the field. Point taken regarding the stand. However it was a tricky one. The four Carrickmore supporters who got suspended are not even menbers and only it was a final they would not have been there most likely. How do you police these individuals. I cant speak for Dromore
I never saw the video but I did see the pictures in the paper and I could see one of your hurlers right in the middle of it - how did he get away in the smoke then?
This wasn't a hurling game though.
Surely if he hurls and he's a member of the association and fighting in the crowd he is liable to a suspension like the rest in the crowd which would rule him out of hurling for a year??
Quote from: shezam on November 25, 2011, 09:20:22 AM
Following a lengthy investigative process by The CCC in Tyrone Carrickmore and Dromore clubs have been issued with heavy suspensions and fines after ugly scenes which marred the recent Division One League Final. Four individuals from each club allegedly involved in the trouble outside the wire received one year suspensions while three players from the Carrickmore club were issued with suspensions totalling seventy two weeks.
The clubs were also fined £300 and ordered to play their next two competitive fixtures against each other at a neutral venue with the proceeds going to charity. In addition to these sanctions neither side will be allowed to take part in the top four playoffs for the 2012 Division One League title.
These are understood to be the toughest set of disciplinary determinations ever issued by The CCC and will surely cause much debate over the coming weeks.
Was this 3x24 or 1x48 + 2x12 weeks? Why is everyone so coy about the detail? (not directed at you specifically shezam). 48 weeks or even 24 weeks is pretty severe punishment for on-field transgressions. What were these players charged with?
who were the 3 players that got the suspensions?
Is the biter being left unpunished until a police investigation is carried out?
Quote from: HiMucker on November 25, 2011, 11:32:23 AM
Is the biter being left unpunished until a police investigation is carried out?
Yes, a fence post and an ear stud are being investigated as we speak ;) Isn't that right Nally? ;D
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Quote from: HiMucker on November 25, 2011, 11:32:23 AM
Is the biter being left unpunished until a police investigation is carried out?
Yes, a fence post and an ear stud are being investigated as we speak ;) Isn't that right Nally? ;D
Believable and all as that rumour was, it has since been proven unfounded. Apparently what
really happened is that he chewed his own ear off. (Which is about as believable as the earring rumour, after all).
FFS an ear stud. As i have said before the man is question is that civil he would think that ear studs are for wemen or hard men. He heavy involved in underage coaching at the minute and is big into discipline. Such a rumour. The other one going about is that Conor Gormley threatened the referee unless he abandoned the game......holy jesus chaps have a titter
In fairness Roddy, Conor Gormley has previous for losing the rag with referees so I can see where this one grew legs from. I dont think either club will be appealing the decisions.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on November 25, 2011, 01:00:27 PM
In fairness Roddy, Conor Gormley has previous for losing the rag with referees so I can see where this one grew legs from. I dont think either club will be appealing the decisions.
There's a Dromore county man who has a much bigger reputation for using his mouth. Should we start a rumour that he threatened the referee too then?
what was urney's pitch closed for a few years ago? was it because an urney supporter jumped the wire and struck the strabane secretary?
in our ruckus with ballymacnab in 2006, both clubs were fined over £1600 (by the ulster council).
I have come to the conclusion that the Ulster council should be dealing with all CCC matters on discipline after this embarrassment. Its the only way you can ensure some form of impartiality.
Quote from: clarshack on November 25, 2011, 01:32:29 PM
what was urney's pitch closed for a few years ago? was it because an urney supporter jumped the wire and struck the strabane secretary?
in our ruckus with ballymacnab in 2006, both clubs were fined over £1600 (by the ulster council).
it was closed after a row with augher in a league game and both clubs had severe suspensions handed out to players
Quote from: Man Marker on November 25, 2011, 01:38:10 PM
I have come to the conclusion that the Ulster council should be dealing with all CCC matters on discipline after this embarrassment. Its the only way you can ensure some form of impartiality.
But then where would you appeal to get them reduced?
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Quote from: Man Marker on November 25, 2011, 01:38:10 PM
I have come to the conclusion that the Ulster council should be dealing with all CCC matters on discipline after this embarrassment. Its the only way you can ensure some form of impartiality.
But then where would you appeal to get them reduced?
if the majority of fines/bans/suspensions handed out were fair and consistant in the first place, then there wouldnt be as many appeals
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Quote from: LeoMc on November 25, 2011, 01:40:17 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on November 25, 2011, 01:38:10 PM
I have come to the conclusion that the Ulster council should be dealing with all CCC matters on discipline after this embarrassment. Its the only way you can ensure some form of impartiality.
But then where would you appeal to get them reduced?
if the majority of fines/bans/suspensions handed out were fair and consistant in the first place, then there wouldnt be as many appeals
Maybe, but there is a culture of appealing anyway.
It's all fun and cute hoorism until someone gets killed in an incident like this. Only takes one punch to land on the wrong part of a man's head. No true GAA person likes to see sanctions imposed on clubs but media spin adding up all the total weeks suspensions of players and whitewash isn't gonna deter anyone. I'm not sure who we're trying to convince here. I don't know what the solution is though.
Just heard the names of the four supports from carrickmore who got suspended and two of them werent even at the game. In matter of fact, they havent been at a carrickmore game in quite a while as they both live in different countries. 1 new york, 1 sydney. ;) cheers fellas
What are you on about? More ammunicition for some clowns on here. I can assure you all 4 were at the game. A lot of people on the wind up but surely not one of our own
If I was a Carrickmore man I'd be asking why does so many of its 'supporters' never pay membership. IIRC one of the transgressors from the ladies final wasn't a member either!
Personally- I think the outcome is incredibley light, but I am not sure if the CCCC have powers for tougher sanctions. Unless it's a Div 3 reserve game where-by you can get fined £2000 for two boys pushing each other (And that's a fact).
So how is Division 1 going to work next year? Once Carrickmore and Dromore get to 12/14 points whats the point in them winning any more. The clubs that play them in the second half of the league will have a massive advantage over those that play them at the start, affecting both the top and bottom of the league! The whole thing will be a farce IMO.
People will say they are proud clubs, that they will be preparing for championship and so on, but we have seen so many clubs accused of "giving" points in the past and i predict a total farce at the end of next year.
And wait to you see when the clubs of those people who make up the fixtures will be playing Dromore and Carrickmore.........wont be in the first half of league anyway :).......
Just get rid of top 4 anyway and then this incident would not have happened!
Carrickmore victimhood? :D The fact that Dromore haven't got any suspensions and that they are seemingly immune from serious criticism over it all, means that it is only Carrickmore supporters who are having to deal with the fallout.
£300 of a fine
u have to look at the bigger fine of giving their gate next year to the charity (garvaghey) which will probably amount till about £2000-£2500
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 25, 2011, 11:49:40 PM
Carrickmore victimhood? :D The fact that Dromore haven't got any suspensions and that they are seemingly immune from serious criticism over it all, means that it is only Carrickmore supporters who are having to deal with the fallout.
Agree with you on that Nally, can't understand how there are no Dromore player suspensions? I was at the game and seen Dromore players swinging. I have not seen the video though.
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 25, 2011, 09:42:25 AM
League games between the two at a neutral venue! Is this to avoid trouble? Might I suggest Dunmoyle?
Might I suggest Dale Farm?
;) :)
Quote from: LeoMc on November 26, 2011, 06:13:17 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on November 25, 2011, 09:42:25 AM
League games between the two at a neutral venue! Is this to avoid trouble? Might I suggest Dunmoyle?
Might I suggest Dale Farm?
;) :)
A terrible insult to the people of Dale Farm.
agent orange seen a few armagh hotheads attack ref in omagh tonight i suppose because it didnt go their way ref had a good game in my opinion
Quoteagent orange seen a few armagh hotheads attack ref in omagh tonight
When in Rome......
Quote from: twenty one yard free on November 26, 2011, 09:18:35 AM
£300 of a fine
u have to look at the bigger fine of giving their gate next year to the charity (garvaghey) which will probably amount till about £2000-£2500
Jesus how many people go to league matches in Tyrone?? £2-£2.5k?? Not a mission the gate from a league game would amount to anything near that figure!!
Quote from: screenexile on November 27, 2011, 12:06:31 PM
Quote from: twenty one yard free on November 26, 2011, 09:18:35 AM
£300 of a fine
u have to look at the bigger fine of giving their gate next year to the charity (garvaghey) which will probably amount till about £2000-£2500
Jesus how many people go to league matches in Tyrone?? £2-£2.5k?? Not a mission the gate from a league game would amount to anything near that figure!!
you must be from about cavan any of the league games involving the top four or five teams would draw £2000 no problem
Ardboe's gate receipts from the league game against Moortown this year were up near the 2 grand mark.
Damian Harvey's award he got their recently must have went to his head - he always did think he was smarter than everyone else but now he thinks he's a top quality spin doctor!
Toughest sanctions ever???? It wasn't even the toughest sanction at that particular meeting. Kildress got the same fine and longer player suspensions for a minor incident at the end of the reserve championship final!
County board needs to take a long hard look at itself!
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on November 28, 2011, 10:06:50 AM
Damian Harvey's award he got their recently must have went to his head - he always did think he was smarter than everyone else but now he thinks he's a top quality spin doctor!
Toughest sanctions ever???? It wasn't even the toughest sanction at that particular meeting. Kildress got the same fine and longer player suspensions for a minor incident at the end of the reserve championship final!
County board needs to take a long hard look at itself!
Glad to see Kildress are finally being brought to task for years of bullying and thuggery!
Quote from: Sanchez on November 28, 2011, 10:26:00 AM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on November 28, 2011, 10:06:50 AM
Damian Harvey's award he got their recently must have went to his head - he always did think he was smarter than everyone else but now he thinks he's a top quality spin doctor!
Toughest sanctions ever???? It wasn't even the toughest sanction at that particular meeting. Kildress got the same fine and longer player suspensions for a minor incident at the end of the reserve championship final!
County board needs to take a long hard look at itself!
Glad to see Kildress are finally being brought to task for years of bullying and thuggery!
WUM! The tones a choir boys in comparison to the magpies!
http://cowped.blogspot.com/2011/12/fear-and-loathing-in-dunmoyle.html
Quote from: Malvinas on December 13, 2011, 12:25:01 AM
http://cowped.blogspot.com/2011/12/fear-and-loathing-in-dunmoyle.html
You seem to be infatuated with this story - Its chip paper now!!!
Lets be having you Kenny Archer. The sports minister defended Cliftonville, saying they should be praised for their 14match unbeaten run. No one praised Carrickmore for winning 14 out of 15 league games this year!! Everyone seems to be saying that the Cliftonville football club cant be held accountable as their stewarts tried to sort it. Carrickmore committee memebers done likewise in Dunmoyle, as did Dromores.
Perhaps soccer supporters are not as bregrudging as GAA "supporters". I wonder are supporters from other clubs on forums asking for expulsion, or prominent county players asking for bans?
No need.
He was promptly arrested.
The law will deal with him.
Condemned by the club he supports too.
Seems like, apart from the lad himself, everyone involved has responded like responsible grown-ups should.
what about the scuffles with the stewarts?? This might ne hearsay but apparently the Belfast Telegraph has a tasty photo in it this evening. The media are playing it down , where as if it happens in a GAA match all west Brits believe what the papers say. As i said lets see what soccers finest, Kenny Archer has to say
Well if Carrickmore and Dromore had whisked the offenders off to the Police station I'm pretty sure many would have given them a pat on the back and not have called for teams to be thrown out etc.
However that kind of thing is frwned upon in the GAA (Which I completely disagree with btw illegal behaviour is illegal behaviour in my book).
When both clubs got away virtually scot free I would have thought genuine supporters of both clubs would have been embarrassed by the incident and try to forget about it rather than bring up some unrelated soccer story about 1 rogue supporter who has since been dealt with by police!!
The police where at the game in Solitude, thats the difference, and the culprit has been realised without charge as the player he hit doesnt want to press charges.
My point is that the media as a whole do jump on all things GAA which are painted in a bad light. We do not expect an inaccurate account in the "GAA" paper tarnishing all folk because a handfull have done wrong. Carrickmore and Dromore clubs held their hands up straight away and cooperated fully with the investigation. Cliftonville did the same and they were praised for a 14 match unbeaten run. Surly someone can see why i have brought this up
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trouble at St Brigids game at the weekend means that there are now 3 counties with bad manners. tisk tisk...
Absolutely no comparison between a few angry supporters roaring at the ref and a man being hurt to the extent that he required surgery to reattach a part of his body.
You don't seem to get this up there.
True, there are incidents of indiscipline all over the country but the sheer level of violence in Tyrone defies belief.
go and catch yourself on - 'the sheer level of violence' - presumably you and Mike f**king sheehy have been working on a league table this last 5 years or so? Bollox. Antrim is thuggish as f**k, as is derry - maybe Tyrone find themselves in the spotlight, but in no way are they offering a level of violence, that 'defies belief'.....f**k sake
Explain the incidents making antrim "thuggish as f**k"??!! One incident this year and the odd bit of fighting - what specific examples do you have?? That club in antrim have individuals who have made them a disaster waiting to happen for years.
Rows happens in every county as it's a competitive game. Some dude got his ear bitten off though which is a step above what happens elsewhere. This is worse than what has happened almost anywhere else. Noel Donnelly's headbutt was about as bad as you would see anywhere too and then there was the ladies football thing too.
A lot of places have maniacs and obviously some of these clubs have them as no civilised human being would engage in ear biting. Your county is getting really bad press because of people such as the above and it very clearly needs something serious done about it.
There are people clearly trying to wind you up and it would appear quite an easy task to do. No reason to bring other counties into it.
The antrim games include 2 x St Johns at senior and at minor level, as well as another game involving Rasharkin. All three of which i attended. I go to quite a few games in quite a few counties, so it wasnt a remark made to slag off Antrim footballer, of which i am a supporter. It was to make the comment which you eventually ended up endorsing, which is this sort of shite happens everywhere, and p***k
What and when was the " other game involving rasharkin"?
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Quote from: Hospital Road on April 22, 2012, 09:27:07 PM
dromore and carrickmore have dragged the gaa in tyrone back in the gutter today. league match between these two teams was played today on a neutral ground as part of the punishment to both teams. supporters from both teams stayed away from the game, both clubs fielded minor teams and they fixed the match well before the start. the game ended 3-4 each and they both stuck two fingers up to the gaa arranging this farce. this needs more attention. hellow utv,bbc,rte?
auck wud ye weesht, nothing to see here move along, blah
sure both carmenmore and st dymptys can do what they like shower of cnuts ;)
Quote from: Hospital Road on April 22, 2012, 09:27:07 PM
dromore and carrickmore have dragged the gaa in tyrone back in the gutter today. league match between these two teams was played today on a neutral ground as part of the punishment to both teams. supporters from both teams stayed away from the game, both clubs fielded minor teams and they fixed the match well before the start. the game ended 3-4 each and they both stuck two fingers up to the gaa arranging this farce. this needs more attention. hellow utv,bbc,rte?
God help you 'Hostpial Road' going by the number of your posts on diferent threads it sounds lik you were one of the 3 or 4 suckers that actually pain into this farce ex pecting a bloodfest. And according to Carmen sources, there wre s right few on the field that wish they were minors :)
Quote from: Hospital Road on April 22, 2012, 09:27:07 PM
dromore and carrickmore have dragged the gaa in tyrone back in the gutter today. league match between these two teams was played today on a neutral ground as part of the punishment to both teams. supporters from both teams stayed away from the game, both clubs fielded minor teams and they fixed the match well before the start. the game ended 3-4 each and they both stuck two fingers up to the gaa arranging this farce. this needs more attention. hellow utv,bbc,rte?
There's more going on here than meets the eye and judging by your username, you wouldn't know that! Quit stirring shit.
Poor hospital road, nobody is giving him attention over on the tyrone club thread so he's trawling for some here.
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Poor hospital road, nobody is giving him attention over on the tyrone club thread so he's trawling for some here.
because he is stirring rubbish in my book carmen and dromore can field what ever teams they like!!!!!!
I miss this thread.
Good times.