What way does your county leagues operate? Bit of debate on the Armagh GAA forum about changing the current setup of four divisions to either a 3-tier or a 5-tier league.
The main argument seems to surround the possibility of mismatches i.e. this year Tullysaran (a Division outfit II) played in the Junior and were beat by Eire Og of Division IV. Had Eire Og not been promoted to Division III, but still won the JFC (Which they did) and had Culloville not won the IFC this year; then there would have been the possibility of a Division I team playing a Division IV team in the IFC next year.
Have any other counties choped and changed and what seems to be the most successful way of running things?
This can happen in Armagh as the league and championship grades are not linked. In other counties they are linked.
The set up in Down is simple, straight forward and comon sense. There are 4 divisions, 10 teams in div 1 & 2, 12 in div 3 and 11 in div 4. All teams in div 1 and the top 6 in div 2 qualify for the SFC the following season. The bottom 4 in division 2 and all following years div 3 compete in the Ifc. The div 4 teams compete in the JFC. However if the JFC champions didnt get promotion they would still qualify for the IFC the following year, with the lowest ranked team in div 3 falling into the JFC.
In Monaghan there are 29 football clubs. 10 senior, 10 intermediate, 9 junior. There are 3 leagues.
Whatever division you play in, that's the championship you complete in. If you get relegated or promoted from a league then you also compete in that division's championship. Winning a divisions championship also wins you promotion from that league.
SFC winners can't get relegated.
39 clubs in Donegal. 9 teams in Divisions 1, 2 and 4. 11 teams in division 3.
SFC limited to top 15 teams in Divisions 1 and 2 and previous years Intermediate Champions (which will be current Div 3 side St Nauls in 2012).
So bottom 3 Div 2 sides from 2011 and all Div 3 and Div 4 sides will play in 2012 IFC and JFC.
Quote from: JHume on October 21, 2011, 09:52:00 AM
39 clubs in Donegal. 9 teams in Divisions 1, 2 and 4. 11 teams in division 3.
SFC limited to top 15 teams in Divisions 1 and 2 and previous years Intermediate Champions (which will be current Div 3 side St Nauls in 2012).
So bottom 3 Div 2 sides from 2011 and all Div 3 and Div 4 sides will play in 2012 IFC and JFC.
eh? that adds up to 38! ??? :D
So it does.
Pettigo play in Division 5 with reserve and third teams from other stronger clubs. Those teams play in the Junior B championship.
So a club's second team can't play IFC or JFC in Donegal then?
Derry has 3 divisions and that would represent each of the 3 Championships. For Senior and Intermediate there are also Reserve Championships for a Club's 2nd team.
Simples!
Quote from: screenexile on October 21, 2011, 12:17:54 PM
Derry has 3 divisions and that would represent each of the 3 Championships. For Senior and Intermediate there are also Reserve Championships for a Club's 2nd team.
Simples!
Not really, any club in Derry can enter the senior championship. They never do but the option is there.
Quote from: oakleafgael on October 21, 2011, 12:21:11 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 21, 2011, 12:17:54 PM
Derry has 3 divisions and that would represent each of the 3 Championships. For Senior and Intermediate there are also Reserve Championships for a Club's 2nd team.
Simples!
Not really, any club in Derry can enter the senior championship. They never do but the option is there.
Is that true?!! I know that used to happen on an odd occasion but I thought that was done away with when they brought in the group section.
It's a stupid rule if it is there. The only acceptable reason to have it would be if the team who won the Senior Championship get relegated. I know it almost happened 2 years ago but it would be a very rare occurance!
Quote from: Sleater on October 21, 2011, 09:12:37 AM
In Monaghan there are 29 football clubs. 10 senior, 10 intermediate, 9 junior. There are 3 leagues.
Whatever division you play in, that's the championship you complete in. If you get relegated or promoted from a league then you also compete in that division's championship. Winning a divisions championship also wins you promotion from that league.
SFC winners can't get relegated.
I like this set-up as I think it's great for a team to gain promotion for winning their respective championships.
Antrim Football
10 teams in Div 1-4 (including some reserve teams in 3 & 4)
8 teams Div 5-6 (mostly reserve teams)
Championship has no reflection on league position as clubs are free to enter whatever championship they wish (subject to County Committee ratification)
Quote from: aontroim on October 21, 2011, 05:41:16 PM
Antrim Football
10 teams in Div 1-4 (including some reserve teams in 3 & 4)
8 teams Div 5-6 (mostly reserve teams)
Championship has no reflection on league position as clubs are free to enter whatever championship they wish (subject to County Committee ratification)
This is an example of the unfairness in the ulster club intermediate and junior. Last years antrim junior champions are antrim champions again this year, surely they should be intermediate this year. In most other counties this would be the case, there should be some sort of uniformed rules across all counties that clearly classify what grade a team are operating in.
Quote from: ardtole on October 21, 2011, 07:27:47 PM
Quote from: aontroim on October 21, 2011, 05:41:16 PM
Antrim Football
10 teams in Div 1-4 (including some reserve teams in 3 & 4)
8 teams Div 5-6 (mostly reserve teams)
Championship has no reflection on league position as clubs are free to enter whatever championship they wish (subject to County Committee ratification)
This is an example of the unfairness in the ulster club intermediate and junior. Last years antrim junior champions are antrim champions again this year, surely they should be intermediate this year. In most other counties this would be the case, there should be some sort of uniformed rules across all counties that clearly classify what grade a team are operating in.
That would be almost impossible to dictate. Who decides what level selective teams are at in a county?
Quote from: emmetryan on October 21, 2011, 12:06:51 PM
So a club's second team can't play IFC or JFC in Donegal then?
I'm a bit out of touch, but there used to be (and presumably still is) reserve championships as well.
Kerry has 4 divisions of 12 teams each and Division 5 divided into North/South, 7 teams in each. 62 teams total. There are a few "non-league" teams who play in the junior leagues and have dabbled in the senior league.
Promotion/Relegation of top/bottom 2 teams from each division except division 5 has some playoff system I'm unfamiliar with.
Co League taken very seriously down here and provides 11 quality competitive games each year outside of c/ship action. Its a great competition IMO.
Mayo, 7 Divisions in the league. Thinking of cutting it back to 6 next year mind you as there won't be enough 'B' teams. There are 11 teams in the top 3 divisions. Then after that, there's lots of seconds teams, plus the few struggling first teams. One club, Crossmolina have a third team.
Not linked to championship at all.
Quote from: trileacman on October 21, 2011, 07:39:27 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 21, 2011, 07:27:47 PM
Quote from: aontroim on October 21, 2011, 05:41:16 PM
Antrim Football
10 teams in Div 1-4 (including some reserve teams in 3 & 4)
8 teams Div 5-6 (mostly reserve teams)
Championship has no reflection on league position as clubs are free to enter whatever championship they wish (subject to County Committee ratification)
This is an example of the unfairness in the ulster club intermediate and junior. Last years antrim junior champions are antrim champions again this year, surely they should be intermediate this year. In most other counties this would be the case, there should be some sort of uniformed rules across all counties that clearly classify what grade a team are operating in.
That would be almost impossible to dictate. Who decides what level selective teams are at in a county?
Surely final league position would determine this. If you win the jfc should that not automatically mean that you are an intermediate team the following year. Most counties have no difficulty distinguishing between the different grades. Antrim and Armagh clubs just seem to choose what level they play at. Apparently Killeavey dropped to intermediate in Armagh because they have a 100 anniversary and wanted silverware for the dinner dance. In most counties this wouldnt be allowed to happen.