Not a bad draw as the two week break will help clear up any niggles. Also, we'll be playing a side running out for the third week on the trot. On the downside, feckin Armagh. Hate those games. And Omagh.
You got in before me there O'Neill (how do I delete my thread?)
Delighted with the home draw and pleased with the opposition, whether it will be Armagh or Wicklow. Both teams will be hard to beat and if Armagh come through it will add a bit of spice to the occasion, Healy park full to the brim would be some occasion!
No point hoping for a poor(er) team at this stage, you want to be upping the ante each game. The extra weeks rest should help the likes of SoN, Hub, Swift and Justy recover further from their respective knocks.
No point getting ahead of ourselves but whichever of the three teams advance will be content with the losers from Mayo/Ross. Another tough game but winnable all the same.
Ach it's just that gut vomity feeling I get playing the Orchard. A bit like Derry in the 90s.
could have been worse.
What s the timetable here then?
We will play armagh/Micklow winners when? And if we come through that we play round 4 when?
Quarter finals are scheduled for 31st July
We've arranged Micko to give us a good training session in advance!
Hate playing big games at Healy Park.
Armagh will raise thier game considerably if they get past Wicklow (which will not be the forgone conclusion many think it will)
Who will handle Clarke is the question? Ricey?
Quote from: Gaffer on July 10, 2011, 07:18:55 PM
What s the timetable here then?
We will play armagh/Micklow winners when? And if we come through that we play round 4 when?
Quarter finals are scheduled for 31st July
Everything is moved back a week for the teams in this part of the draw. The Round 4 qualifier will be on the weekend of the other 3 quarter finals. Tyrone's quarter-final will, in all likelihood, be a double-header with the first All Ireland hurling semi-final.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 10, 2011, 07:31:52 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on July 10, 2011, 07:18:55 PM
What s the timetable here then?
We will play armagh/Micklow winners when? And if we come through that we play round 4 when?
Quarter finals are scheduled for 31st July
Everything is moved back a week for the teams in this part of the draw. The Round 4 qualifier will be on the weekend of the other 3 quarter finals. Tyrone's quarter-final will, in all likelihood, be a double-header with the first All Ireland hurling semi-final.
And so the codology begins. Admit it, you Armagh men know that was a blip yesterday evening. You'll stroll into Aughrim shake Micko's hand and come up the road with a 10 point win. The week after that Jamie Clarke will bag 2-04 and you will be on your merry way to Dublin on the second week of August.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 10, 2011, 07:37:45 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 10, 2011, 07:31:52 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on July 10, 2011, 07:18:55 PM
What s the timetable here then?
We will play armagh/Micklow winners when? And if we come through that we play round 4 when?
Quarter finals are scheduled for 31st July
this tyrone game is exactly the distraction micko will love. i expect a close game
Everything is moved back a week for the teams in this part of the draw. The Round 4 qualifier will be on the weekend of the other 3 quarter finals. Tyrone's quarter-final will, in all likelihood, be a double-header with the first All Ireland hurling semi-final.[\b]
And so the codology begins. Admit it, you Armagh men know that was a blip yesterday evening. You'll stroll into Aughrim shake Micko's hand and come up the road with a 10 point win.
The supporters of whatever side comes out of this draw are the people losing out because with their quarter final being on with the semi final they will be made pay semi final prices
Happy enough with the draw. The rest week is a positive as is the home draw.
Quote from: donegal lad on July 10, 2011, 07:45:58 PM
The supporters of whatever side comes out of this draw are the people losing out because with their quarter final being on with the semi final they will be made pay semi final prices
Unless the draw pitched the winners of this section against the Dubs resulting in a stand alone QF on the second week of August. Additionally, this will provide the Dubs a ready made excuse when Tyrone give them a thumping as they were made wait too long for their game ;)
Awful draw for Armagh if by the grace of god we manage to get past Micklow. our greatest weakness this season is on the line. We have continually been out thought this year and now we go up against one of the best in the game ever. Added to that Tyrone have more than enough defenders capable of handling Clarke and McDonnell (I'd imagine Gormley and McMahon or Ricey to be given those jobs) I honestly can't see Armagh getting within 6 points.
On the other hand an impressive win for Tyrone might re-invigorate the older players for one last push for Sam.
Quote from: David McKeown on July 10, 2011, 08:15:07 PM
Awful draw for Armagh if by the grace of god we manage to get past Micklow. our greatest weakness this season is on the line. We have continually been out thought this year and now we go up against one of the best in the game ever. Added to that Tyrone have more than enough defenders capable of handling Clarke and McDonnell (I'd imagine Gormley and McMahon or Ricey to be given those jobs) I honestly can't see Armagh getting within 6 points.
On the other hand an impressive win for Tyrone might re-invigorate the older players for one last push for Sam.
I know you've put in the highlighted caveat David but I wouldn't even contemplate this tie and possible match ups until after next Saturday.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 10, 2011, 08:01:00 PM
Quote from: donegal lad on July 10, 2011, 07:45:58 PM
The supporters of whatever side comes out of this draw are the people losing out because with their quarter final being on with the semi final they will be made pay semi final prices
Unless the draw pitched the winners of this section against the Dubs resulting in a stand alone QF on the second week of August. Additionally, this will provide the Dubs a ready made excuse when Tyrone give them a thumping as they were made wait too long for their game ;)
Tbh i don't see the dubs getting a stand alone QF this year was only 43000 at leinster final today would they get a big enough crowd for a stand alone game
Lets not kid ourselves with the pleasantries. Despite being a shadow of the great triple AI team, tyrone will dissect o'rourkes one-trick pony outfit a la frank mcguigan & co 1984. yet another slow torturous death for the orchard county by the red hand its on the cards. Slipping quietly out of the championship at aughrim would be a godsend ;)
Nope TYP, the last encounter was in 2009 in Clones, where we prevailed rather easily ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 10, 2011, 09:27:21 PM
Nope TYP, the last encounter was in 2009 in Clones, where we prevailed rather easily ;)
Was that a 3 point win for Tyrone with Ronan Clarke scoring a late goal or was this before then?
Some of yous Tyrone boys seam confident of of beating us(Hoping we get the chance to play yas)
Quote from: tyroneman on July 10, 2011, 07:24:16 PM
Hate playing big games at Healy Park.
Armagh will raise thier game considerably if they get past Wicklow (which will not be the forgone conclusion many think it will)
Hell no. Tyrone will need to raise their game.
Quote from: Armaghgael on July 10, 2011, 09:49:34 PM
Some of yous Tyrone boys seam confident of of beating us(Hoping we get the chance to play yas)
I wouldn't say we're too confident, but in saying that you lads aren't the big power that you recently were. Jury's still out on ourselves though, in that we wouldn't be too sure that the optimal balance has been struck between the old and the new (lads).
I'd be worried enough about a micko hambush
After watching that muck last night by Armagh i can't believe you guys are getting sucked into a match v Tyrone...no way as far as I'm concerned the reply to this thread until next sat evening is "NO COMMENT"
As good as a by for Tyrone ;D
Tyrone a great team in transition, armagh a county in a complete mess. Let the butchery of the fallen orchard commence. ;)
can't see HUB or Cassidy dealing with big Stafford. If hannon finds his shooting boots... a famous Blackwater double could be on the cards!!
Quote from: EC Unique on July 10, 2011, 10:40:45 PM
As good as a by for Tyrone ;D
Is that Goodbye Tyrone, or Good Bye Tyrone?
Up Micklow!
Armagh county board will do well to shift 100 tickets for this one. Annihilation on the cards.
Quote from: under the bar on July 11, 2011, 02:50:41 PM
Armagh county board will do well to shift 100 tickets for this one. Annihilation on the cards.
Any chance you could give it a rest. You've posted three times on this thread and each one has been a childish dig at Armagh (who aren't even guaranteed to get through.) That nonsense is better served over on Hoganstand.
Quote from: under the bar on July 11, 2011, 02:50:41 PM
Armagh county board will do well to shift 100 tickets for this one. Annihilation on the cards.
Why don't you feck off
If we get put of aughrim which I expect to
We will be ready for you boys
You are like we were in 2006 hoping to role back to years
QuoteWhy don't you feck off
If we get put of aughrim which I expect to
We will be ready for you boys
You are like we were in 2006 hoping to role back to years
No need to get shirty now. I'm just advising you not to waste your pocket money buying a ticket. ;)
QuoteAny chance you could give it a rest.
Ach Omagh Gael, are ye just annoyed 'cos you started a thread on the game that no-one was interested in replying to?.. lighten up man :D!
Hard to know, which I relish the more. Tyrone v Armagh or Harte v Micko?
I would much prefer to see us getting Micklow and playing non Ulster teams that we never met before.
Longford certainly put it up to us in that 1st half last week but it was nice to see us back scoring reasonably well again and that was without SoN, Mugsy, Brian McG. Even Penrose had a quiet enough game scoring wise. I hope he starts Coney again and he gets descent ball kicked into him.
I'd say if he gets his confidence back he could be a great forward for us as he's big & strong and skillful. Its all about getting his head right now I think.
Just wondering what the feeling is in Tyrone about the team. From the outside I think a lot of people believe we are witnessing the slide of Tyrone. A lot of people feel that Tyrone have started slipping backwards from the hay day of the mid-2000s and are likely to slowly lose ground a little each year.
Do Tyrone fans think that or is the feeling that Tyrone are still currently as good as anyone and more importantly is there a feeling that Tyrone will return to being a major force in the championship for several years to come?
Not winding up just curious
Our lads from '03 maybe don't have that youthful zest but.....
I think that with regular games, this Tyrone squad are All-Ireland contenders. This route (backdoor) seems to suit Tyrone and the current set of players. Even their front door All-Ireland in 2003 consisted of 2 matches v Derry and Down because of draws. The straightforward 3-game Ulster winning campaigns of 2009/10 left Tyrone a little cold.
Coupled with that bit of luck in terms of the draw (i.e. we might not have survived an away trip to Kildare or Meath), a series of regular, and gradually more difficult, games could squeeze out one last piece of magic.
I watched a rerun of Mulligan and McGuigan burning up the Kerry corner backs in 2003. They cannot do that now but, with the recent new additions now able to perform that task, their experience is invaluable.
Armagh were awful against Derry and from what i hear they weren't good on Saturday but you can be assured that if they get over Wicklow they will give Tyrone one hell of a game.
Anyone think any of the guys who missed out last weekend will regain their jersey? Can see Mickey going for the same 15, barring any injuries between now and then.
Quote from: ONeill on July 13, 2011, 05:02:28 PM
Our lads from '03 maybe don't have that youthful zest but.....
I think that with regular games, this Tyrone squad are All-Ireland contenders. This route (backdoor) seems to suit Tyrone and the current set of players. Even their front door All-Ireland in 2003 consisted of 2 matches v Derry and Down because of draws. The straightforward 3-game Ulster winning campaigns of 2008/9 left Tyrone a little cold.
Coupled with that bit of luck in terms of the draw (i.e. we might not have survived an away trip to Kildare or Meath), a series of regular, and gradually more difficult, games could squeeze out one last piece of magic.
I watched a rerun of Mulligan and McGuigan burning up the Kerry corner backs in 2003. They cannot do that now but, with the recent new additions now able to perform that task, their experience is invaluable.
I guess that's kind of what I was asking about. your comment implies that you are hoping for/expecting "one last hurrah". So does that mean you do feel that the team is coming to the end of the line, and the more interesting question is where do you think you will go from here?
There has never really been much of a transition in bringing in younger players, and largely speaking most of the Tyrone players are from the great side. I would think that means they all age and finally lose effectiveness/retire together. Will that leave such a hole in the Tyrone set-up that by next year or so Tyrone are a quarter final team at best? Or do you feel that you are well placed for a transition and an ability to maintain challenges for Sam for the next 4-5 years?
Quote from: ONeill on July 13, 2011, 05:02:28 PM
I watched a rerun of Mulligan and McGuigan burning up the Kerry corner backs in 2003. They cannot do that now but, with the recent new additions now able to perform that task, their experience is invaluable.
I agree with the first part of your post O'Neill but are the new additions able to do that and have they done it in August when it matters against the top teams?
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 13, 2011, 09:24:03 PM
Anyone think any of the guys who missed out last weekend will regain their jersey? Can see Mickey going for the same 15, barring any injuries between now and then.
I would like ot see Swifty back in for Carlin and if he replaced Brian with Tommy to allow Petey HArte the freedom of CHF which he seemed to relish then I think we could say he have a relatively fresh team.
Only McConnell, Gormley & Jordan from the 98/99 team and Gormley could be replaced by Red Sean or McCarron if he doesn't recover.
Ricey and Sean Kavanagh the only other starters from 2003. Were Joe McMahon or Penrose on the bench in 2003?
That's the thing about transition - it is slowly seeping in. You look at players like the McMahons - they weren't involved in 2003. Penrose (didn't play in 05 final), Swift, Peter Harte, Aidan Cassidy, Donnelly, Colm Cavanagh, Coney....they're all relatively fresh.
Can Penrose, Donnelly and Coney give a full back line bother in August? - no one knows yet.
Evolution not revolution.
At least id we realise about 40 mninutes into an AIQF that the new lads are not yet up to it we have some experienced heads who should be good for 25-30 minutes.
unfortunately the end of the road for a few Tyrone players will be upon them shortly. Tyrone need a new impetus and next year they may get that. But provided there is a result this Saturday either Wicklow or Armagh will bring Tyrones run to an end - thus ending one of the greatest teams in recent times run in the championship. Armagh will put Micko into retirement and Tyrone to the sword within 8 days - what a great time to be an orangeman ;D
I thoiught I'd do a bit of research there to see how the Tyrone team has changed over the years.
Here are the Tyrone teams from 03, 05 & 08.
If I made any errors no doubt ye'll let me know.
2003
Devine
Gourley
McAnallen
McMenamin
Gormley
Gavin Devlin
Jordan
Cavanagh
Hughes
Dooher
McGuigan
Cavlan
Mugsy
Canavan (on his crutches)
McGinley
Can anyone name the subs?
2005
Horse Devlin & Cavlan retired. Joey & Davey brought in. Mellon & O'Neill got starting slots
McConnell
McMenamin
Joey
McGee
Harte
Gormley
Jordan
McGinley
Cavanagh
Dooher
McGuigan
Mellon
Mulligan
O'Neill
Canavan
So from the 2003 to 2005 years Lawn. Devlin & Gourley all lost their places, though Gourley more through injury. Poor Cormac passed on
2008
McConnell
McMenamin
Justin
Joey
Harte
Gormley
Jordan
McGinley
Colly Holmes
Dooher
Penrose (McGuigan injured)
Mellon
T.McGuigan
S.Cavanagh
C.McCullagh
O'Neill
Canavan,Colly Holmes & Back Lawn retired - Justy, Penrose, Colm Cavanagh, Colly McCullagh all brought in as regulars
2011 - Championship appearances so far
McConnell
McMenamin/Gormley
Joey/Justy/McCarron
Swift/Carlin
Harte/McMenamin
Justy/Gormley/Sean O'Neill
Jordan
Cassidy/Hughes
S Cavanagh
Dooher/C Cavanagh
B.McGuigan/P.Harte
P.Harte
Penrose/Tommy McGuigan
Mark Donnelly/SoN
Mugsy/SoN/Coney
As far as I can see there are 9 main long stay players which are still considered regulars.
McConnell
Ricey
Gormley
Jordan
Hughes
Dooher
B.McGuigan
Mugsy
SoN
We look like we've a few options now at MF so the pressure if off a bit to keep Hub at MF, especially if young Cassidy can stay fit. 2 Cavanaghs & 2 McMahons & young McKenna can all play there.
The 2 McMahons & Cavanaghs have settled well into the team and Penrose has become one of our main forwards over the past few years. Quieter so far this year I think
Sean O'Neill, Carlin, McCarron, Swift, McCaul & PJ Quinn are all finding it hard to lay claim to a jersey with the older lads still looking reliable to date
If we can get a few games more for Donnelly, Coney & Peter Harte then it will benefit them greatly and bring a freshness to our forward line.
People forget that the team in 2003 just didn't come in and perform well overnight.
They took time to settle in and displace the team from the 90's.
After this year I'd expect McGinley, Dooher & Ricey to maybe retire though in fairness to Ricey he is still going as well as Gormley & Jordan.
They might have all lost that pace they had when in their mid 20's but what they lose their in man to man marking they pick up a lot in experience and reading of the game.
I'd still be worried about them being left one on one with someone like Gooch or Kerrigan from Cork etc but with the evolutuon of defensive systems maybe they won't get as exposed as they might years ago.
IMHO if Mickey sticks with the changes he implemented last week and not revert back to the older guard then the squad has developed slowly and surely
To me the day Gormley and Jordan retire will be a significant day. They are 2 big rocks that defence have had for years now and although the McMahons have strengthened the central positions the new wing & corner backs need to start making more progress.
Sean O'Neill & if he can stay fit McNabb should eventually get the wing back slots with maybe McCaul & Swift or Carlin securing the corners.
They might not there just yet but we said the same years ago when Fay & Paul Devlin retired.
I think their is a feeling among fans that we don't have what it takes any more to blow teams away and play at pace and high intensity for more than 40 or 50 mins.
We are kinda hoping though that we might have enough mixture of experience & youth within the team to get to the 1/4 finals and see how we go from there.
Quote from: naka on July 11, 2011, 09:22:22 PM
Quote from: under the bar on July 11, 2011, 02:50:41 PM
Armagh county board will do well to shift 100 tickets for this one. Annihilation on the cards.
Why don't you feck off
If we get put of aughrim which I expect to
We will be ready for you boys
You are like we were in 2006 hoping to role back to years
In your haste to get your wee dig in, methinks you have made a few little errors. Calm heads are called for when the pressure is on ;D
Fair play fuzz, good analysis. Not to be a pedant, but neither Joey or Penrose were subs in 03. The youngest on that panel would have been John Devine, Sean Cavanagh and Dermy Carlin. All of those guys along with Mark Donnelly and Tommy were on the 2001 minor winning side.
Very interesting comments here, thanks for taking my question seriously (it could easily have sounded like a wind up)
The thing is, as long as Dooher, Mugsy, Gormly, Jordan and McGuigan are there you can slot in a new young lad and he looks great, looks like the future is secured. Many young skilful lads look fantastic when they are the additional skilful players to the core group of top guys. But when you take away those top guys and all that is left are these young players, often they don't look so good anymore.
Peter Harte looks a real talent now, but if you remove McGuigan, Dooher and Mugsy and instead tell Harte that he is now the main man, now the leader, and has to be the guy the new lads look to, will he be able to produce performances that those guys have done for a decade?
Anyway Sounds like that is the lines you guys are thinking along anyway. Don't think Tyrone will end up in the wilderness like Down did but could just be a fallow spell for a while. As for this year Do you think Dooher, SON, Mugsy, & McGuigan can last a whole summer at full tilt? If so, when do you think they will no longer be able to cut it and have to call it a day?
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 14, 2011, 04:15:17 PM
Very interesting comments here, thanks for taking my question seriously (it could easily have sounded like a wind up)
The thing is, as long as Dooher, Mugsy, Gormly, Jordan and McGuigan are there you can slot in a new young lad and he looks great, looks like the future is secured. Many young skilful lads look fantastic when they are the additional skilful players to the core group of top guys. But when you take away those top guys and all that is left are these young players, often they don't look so good anymore.
Peter Harte looks a real talent now, but if you remove McGuigan, Dooher and Mugsy and instead tell Harte that he is now the main man, now the leader, and has to be the guy the new lads look to, will he be able to produce performances that those guys have done for a decade?
Anyway Sounds like that is the lines you guys are thinking along anyway. Don't think Tyrone will end up in the wilderness like Down did but could just be a fallow spell for a while. As for this year Do you think Dooher, SON, Mugsy, & McGuigan can last a whole summer at full tilt? If so, when do you think they will no longer be able to cut it and have to call it a day?
I can see your point and you may be right to an extent. If we're being brutally honest, the only men that weren't there in 2003 and would be considered as certain starters if everyone was fit would be the 2 McMahon's and Penrose.
But, I'm not massively concerned for the next 4 or 5 years and I think we'll be contenders for a few years yet. Of the 3 guys you named, we had one for a half in Longford and he was replaced by another of them at half time and the other played no part at all. Petey Harte did not have the most star studded supporting cast on Saturday evening but he certainly looked good (along with a few others) in what appeared to be the most inexperienced of Tyrone attacks for a few years.
Mickey Harte is a very difficult man to second guess, but it would appear that Tyrone's inability to win a 3rd Ulster in a row will be the catalyst for the passing of the torch to the new guys. The fact remains that Ulster is still the most difficult province to win and while the 2003 players continued to win it there was little incentive to take any sort of radical action in terms of shaking up the team. It looks like the first steps of that process began on Saturday evening with 5 of the 03/05 crew omitted. When you also consider that he stated in the Irish News that Dooher could be used as an impact sub all signs seem to be pointing in that direction. On Saturday 10 of the starting team were 28 or under along with another 3 of the subs that came on - that's certainly a step in the right direction for the future.
If you look at 2008, Dooher was the only one of the men you mentioned that was at anything like full tilt - McGuigan was only coming back after the eye injury, Mugsy spent the summer on the bench and Stevie only made it back for the final. It was also the year that Mickey had to shake things up a bit in attack for various reasons and Tommy McGuigan, Martin Penrose and Colm McCullagh (none of them exactly household names at the time) all made their mark and Sean Cavanagh reinvented himself as a Full Forward. After a few initial teething difficulties that year didn't turn out too badly.
Mugsy gone from the panel according to www.teamtalkmag.com and John Fogarty on twitter
More negotiating needed there Mickey.
Strange timing unless he feels he's giving a lot for little return at his stage.
Big loss to the panel. He has the capability of turning a game on its head.
He's our top goal scorer of all time I think according to that website we saw recently.
He would go for goals much more than Canavan would and in fairness I think he scored more than he missed.
Even the Dubs will miss him.
so Tyrone v Armagh it is...
I'm going to get in early with a prediction, Tyrone by 3-5pts i guess this game will be TV.
Bring it on. A wee trip to enemy territory in store. It's been a while.
Armagh to find themselves in a similar position as in 1984 when following a massacre by Tyrone they disappeared for a generation during which most forgot they even had a football team. Lambs to the slaughter :) ;)
Quote from: under the bar on July 16, 2011, 08:55:01 PM
Armagh to find themselves in a similar position as in 1984 when following a massacre by Tyrone they disappeared for a generation during which most forgot they even had a football team. Lambs to the slaughter :) ;)
WUM ::)
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 16, 2011, 08:55:50 PM
Quote from: under the bar on July 16, 2011, 08:55:01 PM
Armagh to find themselves in a similar position as in 1984 when following a massacre by Tyrone they disappeared for a generation during which most forgot they even had a football team. Lambs to the slaughter :) ;)
WUM ::)
Historically, a really bad one too.
Tyrone to win, but I wouldn't put my Mortgage on it as Armagh are the masters at 'Hanging on' to teams then sneaking it in the end.
A lot depends on whether or not Mickey can get the right balance of Youth and Experience. We have a virtual Neverland of Young Lads coming through the Senior ranks, yet up until the game against Longford last week it was virtually the same XV every time.
Kyle Coney is the most high-profile young player, but in an Ardboe Shirt it hasn't been all good for him this Year so far. But if he has his Game Face on he is as good as anyone in the Country.
it will take jamie clarke to score 4 goals to even hang onto tyrones coat tails. ;)
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 16, 2011, 08:43:02 PM
I'm going to get in early with a prediction, Tyrone by 3-5pts i guess this game will be TV.
I'm not so sure, would Down v Cork not be the preference? I'm pretty interested in the decision as I'm weighing up whether to delay my holiday until after the match. If it was on TV that might tip the balance in favour of just heading away as planned.
Last days line-ups:
P McConnell
C Gormley, Joe McMahon, D Carlin
R McMenamin, Justin McMahon, P Jordan
A Cassidy, S Cavanagh
C Cavanagh B McGuigan, P Harte
M Penrose M Donnelly K Coney.
Which will probably become:
P McConnell
C Gormley, Joe McMahon, R McMenamin,
d carlin, Justin McMahon, P Jordan.
A Cassidy, Colm Cavanagh
Sean Cavanagh B McGuigan, P Harte
M Penrose M Donnelly K Coney/SON
I personally would like to see Coney wear 14 and Sparky in the corner.
Armagh likely:
1. Paul Hearty
2. Andy Mallon 3. Brendan Donaghy 4. Duffy ???
5. Aaron Kernan 6. Kevin Dyas 7. Finnian Moriarity
8. James Lavery 9. Charlie Vernon
10 Johnny Hanratty 11 Tony kernan 12. Malachy Mackin
13. Micheal O'Rourke 14. Steven McDonnell 15. Jamie Clarke
The tactics: Block shall take the dangerman Clarke. Sad to think that in 8 years of success we can't find a top class man-marking corner back but anyhow. Mackin usually moves in as a FF so Joe or possibly Justy will take him. Ricey shall follow Stevey out the pitch a la 2009. The remaining McMahon picks up TK and Carlin follow MOR. That leaves Jordan on Hanratty but I imagine Tyrone's 3 midfielders will mark Armagh's 3. Vernon and Sean will probably be kept parted. I would imagine P Harte will go to CHF where he played so well the last day. For that reason brian mc guigan could be dropped in favour of someone experienced in the wing forward role.
edit: could someone guess the armagh defence?
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 17, 2011, 12:12:23 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 16, 2011, 08:43:02 PM
I'm going to get in early with a prediction, Tyrone by 3-5pts i guess this game will be TV.
I'm not so sure, would Down v Cork not be the preference? I'm pretty interested in the decision as I'm weighing up whether to delay my holiday until after the match. If it was on TV that might tip the balance in favour of just heading away as planned.
Maybe they will play Down/Cork on the Sat night and Armagh/Tyrone on the Sun or the other way about so they are both televised? Or is there only one qualifier televised per week?
Any word on whether Mc Keever, Toner or Swift will be back?
This game is week late because of the Armagh/Wicklow draw, so it may not have its place in the TV schedule.
Should be a good one, Tyrone to come out of it but just about.
Given recent goings on, Vernon v Cavanagh could be a good one ;)
Mrs Cavanagh should give him a rank feed.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 17, 2011, 12:29:27 AM
Any word on whether Mc Keever, Toner or Swift will be back?
The most likely would be Swift, he was togged out last night and had his football gloves at the ready so he must be close. I'd throw him in for Lavery myself. Looked like Ciaran was still limping last night and I'd be surprised if he plays. Don't so sure about Toner.
Quote from: trileacman on July 17, 2011, 12:13:36 AM
The tactics: Block shall take the dangerman Clarke. Sad to think that in 8 years of success we can't find a top class man-marking corner back but anyhow.
As an Armagh man I really hope that Gormley marks Clarke. There's joy to be had there.
If Tyrone can keep Jamie Clarke quiet they will win handily,problem is i'm not sure if we have a defender capable of doing that ???
Quote from: armaghniac on July 17, 2011, 12:39:42 AM
This game is week late because of the Armagh/Wicklow draw, so it may not have its place in the TV schedule.
the AI Hurling 1/4 finals are on on Sunday at 2.00 + 4.00 on TV. A qualifier match will be shown on Sat evening, could be Tyrone Armagh but either Down/Cork or Kildare v todays losers will be in the reckoning too.
July 23rd Football Qualifier 7-00pm TV3
July 24th Limerick v Dublin 2-00pm (H) TV3 Galway v Waterford 4-00pm (H)
There is not a chance Block will mark Clarke.
It will be either PJ, McCaul, Swift or Carlin depending on who shows in training.
It will be more about stopping the ball coming in to him as there is not a lot you can do with him once he's in possession.
Funny how for years we worried about McDonnell, now it's all about JC. If Ronan Clarke got back in action that would prob be the best FF line in Ireland.
Big test for Tyrone, if both teams played to 100% , I blieve we have a good chance of winning. It;ls what Tyrone turns out though - the 17/18 wide Tyrone or the composed, take the percentage score Tyrone.
One of the biggest issues is the lack of a right footed free taker. Hopefull in the next few years R O'Neill will solve that problem.
A win in this game will give the winners a big boost for the challenges that lie ahead this year. Could go either way but if Tyrone can convert more than 50% of their scoring chances I expect them to progress. Tyrone with all the talk of the aging players this year have very much been under the radar (and I'm sure Mickey Harte won't be too concerned about that). A win even by the lowest of margins could give Tyrone the kickstart they need and barring a series of injuries, who knows they could still be in there with a shout come late August.
Quote from: tyroneman on July 17, 2011, 12:14:55 PM
There is not a chance Block will mark Clarke.
It will be either PJ, McCaul, Swift or Carlin depending on who shows in training.
It will be more about stopping the ball coming in to him as there is not a lot you can do with him once he's in possession.
Funny how for years we worried about McDonnell, now it's all about JC. If Ronan Clarke got back in action that would prob be the best FF line in Ireland.
Big test for Tyrone, if both teams played to 100% , I blieve we have a good chance of winning. It;ls what Tyrone turns out though - the 17/18 wide Tyrone or the composed, take the percentage score Tyrone.
One of the biggest issues is the lack of a right footed free taker. Hopefull in the next few years R O'Neill will solve that problem.
PJ Quinn has not made the squad of 26 for a game yet so he seems to be well down the pecking order.
Ronan O'Neill doesn't take the free kicks for Omagh as far as I remember never mind kicking them for Tyrone if he was to be on the squad.
i'm more worried about this game now than when the draw was first made due to 2 factors:
(1) in a derby game form goes out the window and anything can happen
(2) armagh are due to beat us/knockout us out of the championship
Quote from: clarshack on July 17, 2011, 03:23:24 PM
i'm more worried about this game now than when the draw was first made due to 2 factors:
(1) in a derby game form goes out the window and anything can happen
(2) armagh are due to beat us/knockout us out of the championship
The form one is more suited to a low scoring game like soccer and the second point is not relevant at all.
QuoteRonan O'Neill doesn't take the free kicks for Omagh as far as I remember never mind kicking them for Tyrone if he was to be on the squad.
Took the frees for the Minors and U21s though. Omagh must have some free taker if o'Neill doesn't hit them
QuotePJ Quinn has not made the squad of 26 for a game yet so he seems to be well down the pecking order.
Horses for courses. If MH thinks he's the man for the job he'll be in. He has been very unlucky this past few years. Good player.
Quote from: under the bar on July 17, 2011, 03:56:48 PM
If armagh come to play football they will lose. Unfortunately armagh dont usually play football against superior teams so expect a dirgefest.
What do they play then utb?
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 17, 2011, 12:12:23 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 16, 2011, 08:43:02 PM
I'm going to get in early with a prediction, Tyrone by 3-5pts i guess this game will be TV.
I'm not so sure, would Down v Cork not be the preference? I'm pretty interested in the decision as I'm weighing up whether to delay my holiday until after the match. If it was on TV that might tip the balance in favour of just heading away as planned.
go on your holiday mate.
Quote from: The Worker on July 17, 2011, 05:57:08 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 17, 2011, 12:12:23 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 16, 2011, 08:43:02 PM
I'm going to get in early with a prediction, Tyrone by 3-5pts i guess this game will be TV.
I'm not so sure, would Down v Cork not be the preference? I'm pretty interested in the decision as I'm weighing up whether to delay my holiday until after the match. If it was on TV that might tip the balance in favour of just heading away as planned.
go on your holiday mate.
yeah, it was advertised earlier on tv3 that they would be showing down v cork next sat nite. doesnt look like tyrone v armagh will be on tv.
f**k that, I have a stag next weekend, what about BBC?
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 17, 2011, 06:09:57 PM
f**k that, I have a stag next weekend, what about BBC?
dont think they're allowed to show qualifiers.
Does anyone know if they have toilets in omagh ? Or do you just bring your own bucket
I must say I'm a bit worried about this game.
Having already lifted their game to defeat Down last month I fear Armagh are well capable of doing the same again to Tyrone.
Westmeath nearly beat us at home in 2008 and so I am not exactly as cocky as some on here. ::)
I hope we don't have any more injury scares as we need both McMahons, Gormley, Jordan & Ricey all on top form.
If Cassidy & Harte can perform like they did last night out then we should be ok but I for one wont be underestimating the Armagh challenge.
Quote from: ardchieftain on July 17, 2011, 06:29:14 PM
Does anyone know if they have toilets in omagh ? Or do you just bring your own bucket
You clearly have never been to an Armagh game in your life.
Quote from: EC Unique on July 17, 2011, 03:36:53 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 17, 2011, 03:23:24 PM
i'm more worried about this game now than when the draw was first made due to 2 factors:
(1) in a derby game form goes out the window and anything can happen
(2) armagh are due to beat us/knockout us out of the championship
The form one is more suited to a low scoring game like soccer and the second point is not relevant at all.
derry were due to beat us in 2006 and did.
dublin were due to beat us in 2010 and did.
both derry and dublin teams were inferior to tyrone, so yes it is relevant.
if this game was in dungannon i would be a lot happier as omagh is no advantage to tyrone. the players dont like playing in omagh as long as i've been following tyrone - but i guess the suits wouldnt want to take a hit in gate money. >:(
Quote from: ardchieftain on July 17, 2011, 06:29:14 PM
Does anyone know if they have toilets in omagh ? Or do you just bring piss in your own empty bottle of bucket fast?
Fixed
Derry and Dublin met us when we were Genuine AI contenders and in the top 3 teams.
Armagh meet us in a different place. I can't see Tyrone taking anything for granted.
Ardchieftain don't worry about bringing a bucket,you can use your blue plastic bag instead.
Quote from: tyroneman on July 17, 2011, 07:38:44 PM
Derry and Dublin met us when we were Genuine AI contenders and in the top 3 teams.
Armagh meet us in a different place. I can't see Tyrone taking anything for granted.
armagh favourites then considering they have a game under their belt and won since tyrone last played?
Hard one to call.
Armagh are able to raise their game when they need and easily dispatched AI finalists Down. They also have 2 natural scoring machines in the FF line. They have the advantage of an extra game under their belt and the boost that goes with a replay win. They also never had a fear factor of Tyrone and will relish this match. What they don't have is a manager who makes good changes on the line (or so my Armagh friends tell me). They also lack quality in many other areas Of the field.
Tyrone are poor in Omagh. Unless SON scores early he can go off form trying too hard. We have no natural scorers outside of him though. We do however have more naturally gifted footballers throughout the team and a better bench to make changes from. Harte is also a more astute manager.
The ref will be key here. A game decided on frees will suit Armagh. S Cav will also need some protection, which he has not had so far this year.
I would say this game is 50/50
QuoteWe have no natural scorers outside of him though.
Penrose? Peter Harte?
Really cant see Armagh coming away with a win. And funnily enough if Tyrone were to win I really can see them building on it and going ALOT further this year. Theres definitley 1 last sting in that team and they can handle Dublin and Kerry, and think if they met Cork in a 1 off match theyd beat them too.
We would need Toner, McKeever and Nippy to be all available, and need goals to have any chance. And Im not putting curse on, just being reaistic
Penrose is far from a natural scorer, far, far from it. He has a lot of good qualities and would be in my starting 15 but the team do not look to him to rack up big scores. He misses easy chances and does not lead a line. His workrate and pace are key to his success, not his accuracy.
Pete Harte is a fine player and will be central to Tyrone for the next decade but again, while he got a good return against Longford, his key qualities lie in other areas. I would see him more like Brian, linking play, able to take a score and able to create.
You do not think of either of those 2 in the same way you would consider Gooch, B Brogan, M Meehan, P Bradley or for that matter mcDonnell and J Clarke as scoring forwards. You would however put SoN (on his game) in that bracket.
Quote from: ardchieftain on July 17, 2011, 06:29:14 PM
Does anyone know if they have toilets in omagh ? Or do you just bring your own bucket
Why the concern - the nerves must be getting to you. If I were you I'd bring your own bucket just in case (and bring it back home with you again - but make sure there's no hole in it!)
Quote from: tyroneman on July 17, 2011, 12:14:55 PM
There is not a chance Block will mark Clarke.
It will be either PJ, McCaul, Swift or Carlin depending on who shows in training.
It will be more about stopping the ball coming in to him as there is not a lot you can do with him once he's in possession.
Funny how for years we worried about McDonnell, now it's all about JC. If Ronan Clarke got back in action that would prob be the best FF line in Ireland.
Big test for Tyrone, if both teams played to 100% , I blieve we have a good chance of winning. It;ls what Tyrone turns out though - the 17/18 wide Tyrone or the composed, take the percentage score Tyrone.
One of the biggest issues is the lack of a right footed free taker. Hopefull in the next few years R O'Neill will solve that problem.
No chance you say! Wanna bet? ;)
Neither PJ, McCaul or Swift warranted a starting place or a appearance last week, to suggest that they will be parachuted in to mark one the top forwards in the championship is total bull. Carlin is seen as a wing back not a top defender by MH.
The rest is right enough.
Yeh I know what yr sayin there alright but I just feel Block does not have the pace for Clarke. Crazy as it seems Ricey may even get the job although I think whoever man marks him will be the seconday defence with the real work being done stopping the ball getting to him.
Harte has confidence in swift and he may well get the job. Swift or Ricey that's who inwould put my money on ;)
If this turns into an evenly balanced shoot out then I fancy Armagh. I think we need Cavanagh back in f/f and Stevie in the other. Petie will do well to score more than 3 this game, because I think he works better when expectations are lowered and the pressure is elsewhere. Losing Mugsy could be a big blow. I just think that unless Stevie bags +4, Cavanagh hits in around the same we may struggle to accumulate more than 10 or 12. I hopefully am only losing my nerve but I think we could struggle in effectively another ulster game. Just not fancying the way the whole thing is developing this year.
Quote from: tyroneman on July 17, 2011, 08:05:34 PM
S Cav will also need some protection, which he has not had so far this year.
Yes I have heard this.
Keep it clean lads.
Armagh could well walk away from Omagh with a win. They have momentum now with consecutive games.
If Armagh do win, they'll not be bothering the big guns. If Tyrone do, I think they can see football in late summer.
jesus tyrone ones hyping armagh!!you should have been in ulster final and now because armagh beat a div4 team yous are worried!!armagh need a performance better than the gave against down to beat yous :)
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2011, 10:54:15 PM
Keep it clean lads.
Armagh could well walk away from Omagh with a win. They have momentum now with consecutive games.
If Armagh do win, they'll not be bothering the big guns. If Tyrone do, I think they can see football in late summer.
Would agree with this to an extent, Tyrone have more potential to go further yet we could pull off a result on the day.
If we can win midfield area and get enough supply into forward line then we have a chance. If Jamie Clarke is starved of possession we will struggle as against Derry.
Interesting to note Tyrone supporters playing down their chances. Bit of codology I would imagine. Don't really believe they will lose but don't egg on thier faces the way a few Down fans did.
Tyrone were losing at half time to a division 4 team. No egg on face - Armagh are well capable of beating this Tyrone team.
If we can't beat Armagh we're safer out of it.
No codology from me. Currently Tyrone have better players available and a better manager. I expect Tyrone to win with a few to spare.
I think Armagh will give Tyrone all they want. I saw Harte at the match on Saturday night, he probably stick mc meniman on Jamie, i can see he getting yellow carded early in the game, defenders can't get away with what they used to. Hope Mc Keever will be back... Is the game all ticket?
Not all-ticket but you can purchase tickets in advance. Or just pay on the night. Hard to organise an all-ticket game in the space of a week.
This is a very interesting game. I think Tyrone have a better group of players overall but they have never really hit the standard they are capable of. They were too easily closed out of it by Donegal. On the other hand Armagh's struggles are well documented.
Armagh's main strength is the full forward line, but Tyrone have the best fullback line Armagh will have faced in the championship.
Tyrone have the home venue which is always a marginal advantage.
Overall Tyrone would probably be favourites, but if you look at the performance against Down you can see Armagh are at least capable of it and so can not be written off.
I think that it is impossible to predict a victory with any real confidence, it is a classic case of "all on the day".
Will it be televised?
Will it be all-ticket?
What time is it at?
Who's playing?
Where is it?
Who am I?
Armagh would need to be beating a Tyrone team that is on the slide, thing is I just can't see it. Harte vs POR no contest.
Who's the Ref and does he like apples?
I genuinely think that Tyrone will come through this game and the Roscommon game, to make it to the Quarter Finals. Of the two games, the Armagh game will be the tougher. As said above, Armagh have no fear of Tyrone and will be relishing the chance to knock us out of the Championship, so they'll be filling their game and throwing everything at us. So whilst I think Tyrone should win, it's not a done deal.
I also think it's potential going to be one of 'the' games of the Championship.
Has McKeever got a chance of making the start? A big loss to Armagh's defence and for setting up attacks if he is missing.
Serious question to Armagh supporters, not taking the piss or on a windup.
Would you prefer to win and go on to maybe make a Q/F, Semi or even final in the knowledge that POR would almost definitely get another year in doing so OR get beat in the knowledge that POR would almost definitely be out on his ear at the final whistle.
I see it as a make or break game for O'Rourke, its that simple, win u stay on, lose and ur out
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 18, 2011, 01:13:17 PM
Serious question to Armagh supporters, not taking the piss or on a windup.
Would you prefer to win and go on to maybe make a Q/F, Semi or even final in the knowledge that POR would almost definitely get another year in doing so OR get beat in the knowledge that POR would almost definitely be out on his ear at the final whistle.
I see it as a make or break game for O'Rourke, its that simple, win u stay on, lose and ur out
For an answer to this question, you should go to the Armagh v Down thread after that game had ended - Armagh supporters were delighted with the win and POR was no longer an issue - it'll be the same on Saturday - if POR manages a team to beat both Down and Tyrone in the championship in the same seaason, he'll be hailed as a hero.
Also, please refer to the Meath new manager thread - Meath supporters now want Banty to stay on !!
SoN out. Aggrivated hamstring.
Can anyone confirm yet whether or not it will be on the box?
i think they are showing down and cork on tv3, may be wrong though
i heard that alright but am hoping RTE or TG4 get their finger out
Tyrone forward Stephen O'Neill has been ruled out of Saturday's All-Ireland qualifier against Armagh after aggravating a hamstring injury.
O'Neill missed the win over Longford in the previous round but was hopeful of being fit to face the Orchard men.
He caused further damage to the hamstring during training on Saturday.
The Red Hands will have Kevin Hughes and Martin Swift available again for the Healy Park clash after both players missed the win over Longford.
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 18, 2011, 01:34:30 PM
i heard that alright but am hoping RTE or TG4 get their finger out
Definitely won't be on TG4-no rights to live cship games
I reckon there will be no changes to the line up that started against Longford.
Also heard Mugsy didn't turn up to training last week because he was on the sauce most of the week. Dooher held talks with him on Thursday in a cookstown cafe and treated him to lunch. :)
Any update on toner and mc keever?
I'd expect hub to be brought straight back into the middle. Maybe Swift as well.
Who do you drop for Swify?
Carlin
If himself and Dooher head to Armagh, people will buy them a pint or two and a feed of burgers.
Don't think there's much between Swift and Carlin therefore I'd say he'll not change it at this stage - Unfortunate that Swift got injured because he would still be there.
Quote from: offtheground on July 18, 2011, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on July 18, 2011, 01:59:45 PM
I reckon there will be no changes to the line up that started against Longford.
Also heard Mugsy didn't turn up to training last week because he was on the sauce most of the week. Dooher held talks with him on Thursday in a cookstown cafe and treated him to lunch. :)
Absolute balls, I seen him out Jogging on Wednesday and Friday of last week, hardly the actions of a man "on the sauce most of the week"
Was he jogging between the Belfast House and Dunleath by any chance?? ;D ;D
Quote from: naka on July 18, 2011, 02:05:40 PM
Any update on toner and mc keever?
Not sure on toner but Mc Keever pulled a hamstring and it will only be 2 weeks this saturday so i wouldnt be overly confident in having him back, A huge loss
Has Mackin been playing at FF for ye the last 2 games or does he just drift in & out of that position?
Any word on what time the game is at yet?
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 18, 2011, 02:59:59 PM
Any word on what time the game is at yet?
7 pm, confirmed.
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 18, 2011, 01:13:17 PM
Serious question to Armagh supporters, not taking the piss or on a windup.
Would you prefer to win and go on to maybe make a Q/F, Semi or even final in the knowledge that POR would almost definitely get another year in doing so OR get beat in the knowledge that POR would almost definitely be out on his ear at the final whistle.
I see it as a make or break game for O'Rourke, its that simple, win u stay on, lose and ur out
As I said on another thread I reckon regardless of this weeks result POR won't be sacked, those who were mainly involved in appointing him are still there and if anything have strengthened their position. POR met the aims for the season all ready in staying inDiv1 and beating Down. That's how low we've set our goals for the season with him in charge.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 18, 2011, 02:45:59 PM
Has Mackin been playing at FF for ye the last 2 games or does he just drift in & out of that position?
We are not telling you! ;D
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 18, 2011, 02:45:59 PM
Has Mackin been playing at FF for ye the last 2 games or does he just drift in & out of that position?
He played out round the middle for the 1st 15-20 mins of the 1st wicklow game and then he was moved in as we werent winning any ball.
He started on the edge of the square on sat evening and by the end of the match he was moved back out again
I see its just been declared an all ticket game
Just got the email from our secretary
Would Omagh hold 20,000?
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 18, 2011, 03:46:36 PM
Would Omagh hold 20,000?
Capacity for the last all ticket match in Healy (Tyrone v Down 2008) was 18500 - I'd imagine it'll be something similar this time around
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 18, 2011, 02:27:43 PM
Quote from: naka on July 18, 2011, 02:05:40 PM
Any update on toner and mc keever?
Not sure on toner but Mc Keever pulled a hamstring and it will only be 2 weeks this saturday so i wouldnt be overly confident in having him back, A huge loss
I read some where that he will be out 4 weeks from last Saturday so my guess is he will not feature.
Thats what i would be thinking, a hamstring injury normally would be at least 4 weeks
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 18, 2011, 03:44:05 PM
I see its just been declared an all ticket game
Just got the email from our secretary
Ah you're kidding - that's changed since yesterday then? Hard to get that organised at short notice.
just confirmed all ticket - pain in the hole
Is the match switched to Clones? There are a few conflicting reports going round
nope its in omagh
Cheers
Defo in Omagh, i just got an email about the season ticket and the venue is omagh,
Guys
Haven't been at last two games as on holiday and will miss the game against the tyronie hoors
When I get back will the Armagh / rossie game be in a neutral place as will just be arriving back that morning
Are the Rossie's looking a friendly game before they play Tyrone in the 4th round?
Think the BBC have missed the boat on this one. If they had an agreement in place with the GAA at the start of the year to have 1 game from the 3rd of the qualifers through to the final they would have got some ratings for this game on saturday night, a lot more than for the ulster final yesterday i would have thought.
A lot of neurtrals would have interest in this game not just in ulster but throughout the country. When would be the last time these 2 teams played a championship game at Healy Park?
1997
On a serious note i don't think Armagh should turn up...what's the point? they've no chance. Tyrone will prob win the All Ireland and Armagh is just another statistic along the way...
Match betting should be 1/6 Tyrone 10/1 Armagh 6/1
P.S. Ricey will mark Armagh's only forward (the we hoor from Crossmaglen) and that'll be the end of that...correct.
tickets on sale on ticketmaster for £14 for the terrace
Anyone managing to get tickets from Toutmaster?
Keep getting told no tickets available! Tried all combinations. >:(
And me a Tyrone man !!!!!
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/571409ca59125ca454d15e3e26a4c5836e0038719287361e0506b0f0721fec906g.jpg)
Stand tickets are available here.
http://tickets.ie/event.aspx/all-ireland-football-round-3-tyrone-v-tbc-healy-park-omagh-23-July-2011/AVZ46
You might have to hurry though as the site gave a notice that they had no remaining Terrace tickets to sell.
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on July 18, 2011, 01:59:45 PM
I reckon there will be no changes to the line up that started against Longford.
Also heard Mugsy didn't turn up to training last week because he was on the sauce most of the week. Dooher held talks with him on Thursday in a cookstown cafe and treated him to lunch. :)
well for some does he not work?
Quote from: David McKeown on July 18, 2011, 03:30:43 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 18, 2011, 01:13:17 PM
Serious question to Armagh supporters, not taking the piss or on a windup.
Would you prefer to win and go on to maybe make a Q/F, Semi or even final in the knowledge that POR would almost definitely get another year in doing so OR get beat in the knowledge that POR would almost definitely be out on his ear at the final whistle.
I see it as a make or break game for O'Rourke, its that simple, win u stay on, lose and ur out
As I said on another thread I reckon regardless of this weeks result POR won't be sacked, those who were mainly involved in appointing him are still there and if anything have strengthened their position. POR met the aims for the season all ready in staying inDiv1 and beating Down. That's how low we've set our goals for the season with him in charge.
only micko could have got por the gate, as said above if tyrone put armagh out the case will be made that they are a great team etc.. allowing o'rourke breathing space also the supporters want mcgeeney in charge of a good young team possibly a combination of present under 21s and the all irl winning minor team and its a wee bit too soon for them. por will survive unfortunately
Apparently McGeeny is refusing to get his hair cut until he gets the Armagh job.
Mugsy's back
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/?p=7182
Quote from: Orior on July 18, 2011, 10:20:13 PM
Apparently McGeeny is refusing to get his hair cut until he gets the Armagh job.
:D
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 18, 2011, 10:29:30 PM
Mugsy's back
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/?p=7182
Good to have him on board.
Pity O'Neill isn't an option but sure they've been used to that for 5 years now.
Maybe Francie will make a return now that he knows there's no SO'N to terrorise him! ;D
What a feking non story re Mulligan. Shock...mugsy walks out! Development...Mugsy in talks! Armagh through! Shock...mugsy back! Yawn!!!!! I could've written this story from start to finish. Just like the Jordan story earlier this year and just like the O'Neill story a couple of years ago. All designed to draw attention and then give the player/team a lift or great cheer when they appear. BORING.! Just get on with it tyrone and quit the shit stirring
Did he leave or was this just "teamtalk.com" raising their profile?
Quote from: ONeill on July 18, 2011, 10:44:55 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 18, 2011, 10:29:30 PM
Mugsy's back
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/?p=7182
Good to have him on board.
Pity O'Neill isn't an option but sure they've been used to that for 5 years now.
Is it at the stage where O'Neill is more of a distraction? If "fit" he seems to be always selected regardless of form and perhaps this doesn't help in finding a fluent, settled forward line.
Quote from: loughshore lad on July 18, 2011, 11:01:00 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 18, 2011, 10:44:55 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 18, 2011, 10:29:30 PM
Mugsy's back
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/?p=7182
Good to have him on board.
Pity O'Neill isn't an option but sure they've been used to that for 5 years now.
Is it at the stage where O'Neill is more of a distraction? If "fit" he seems to be always selected regardless of form and perhaps this doesn't help in finding a fluent, settled forward line.
I'd be inclined to agree with you. When O'Neill starts a few of the other forwards tend to leave the heavy lifting to him and when he doesn't start everyone takes responsibility. Still though, not a bad sub to have about/
Quote from: you take er! on July 18, 2011, 10:59:07 PM
What a feking non story re Mulligan. Shock...mugsy walks out! Development...Mugsy in talks! Armagh through! Shock...mugsy back! Yawn!!!!! I could've written this story from start to finish. Just like the Jordan story earlier this year and just like the O'Neill story a couple of years ago. All designed to draw attention and then give the player/team a lift or great cheer when they appear. BORING.! Just get on with it tyrone and quit the shit stirring
Bit like the start of the X Factor every year. 1st month non stories about judges fighting, stalkers. I'm sure there are disillusioned players in most camps, Tyrone just seem to make a public show of it.
So can anyone confirm to me yet, is it on the box or not?
Quote from: Orior on July 18, 2011, 10:20:13 PM
Apparently McGeeny is refusing to get his hair cut until he gets the Armagh job.
By the look of the bald spot he's going for a comb-over.
I'd like to see Armagh expose the Tyrone full back line at some point with Jamie & Brian Mallon.
It might be a good game to play the sweeper - I'd use Aaron Kernan, I think it has to be a ball player.
I'd have Mal Mackin on Philip Jordan's wing.
My only really nagging concern is how we deal with the 2 Cavanagh's. At least 1 of them is going to be in the half forward line... I'm not sure who we have to pick either up from there.
If I was Micky Harte... I'd play them both in the half forward line for this game.
Finn Mo might pick one up...
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 19, 2011, 08:32:14 AM
So can anyone confirm to me yet, is it on the box or not?
No, it isn't.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on July 19, 2011, 09:26:01 AM
I'd like to see Armagh expose the Tyrone full back line at some point with Jamie & Brian Mallon.
It might be a good game to play the sweeper - I'd use Aaron Kernan, I think it has to be a ball player.
I'd have Mal Mackin on Philip Jordan's wing.
My only really nagging concern is how we deal with the 2 Cavanagh's. At least 1 of them is going to be in the half forward line... I'm not sure who we have to pick either up from there.
If I was Micky Harte... I'd play them both in the half forward line for this game.
Finn Mo might pick one up...
Brian Mallon as committed and nice a guy as he is has had more than enough chances, O Rourke is the man holiding the jersey now
Do you think our FB line is weak Goats?
The last day it was Block, Joey & Carlin and most people think Swift could come back in for Carlin this weekend.
Colm has been playing better than Sean I think this year, as Sean is suffering from teams going out of their way to frustrate him and not let him get into games from the start. I'd like to see Sean transform his game to be a "pass and go" type of runner and not be always taking people on. Then again if he started at 14 I wouldn't complain either.
Is McKeever definitely out then? He will be sorely missed. Who will ye have marking Peter Harte? He won't get as much space as he did the last day I'd say.
Am looking forward to it now tbh and just hope its not a wet aul evening.
As Brian Dooher seems to have a vital role in helping persuade players to stick with Tyrone, do Tyrone fans believe he will make a good manager one day? Whilst, at best, Dooher could be described as a poor man's McGeeney, could he be the man to eventually replace Mickey Harte?
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Did he leave or was this just "teamtalk.com" raising their profile?
I'm telling you he never left - he was enjoying the twelfth week too much around the town!!!
Quote from: regal on July 19, 2011, 10:05:17 AM
As Brian Dooher seems to have a vital role in helping persuade players to stick with Tyrone, do Tyrone fans believe he will make a good manager one day? Whilst, at best, Dooher could be described as a poor man's McGeeney, could he be the man to eventually replace Mickey Harte?
NO
Quote from: regal on July 19, 2011, 10:05:17 AM
As Brian Dooher seems to have a vital role in helping persuade players to stick with Tyrone, do Tyrone fans believe he will make a good manager one day? Whilst, at best, Dooher could be described as a poor man's McGeeney, could he be the man to eventually replace Mickey Harte?
::)
Quote from: regal on July 19, 2011, 10:05:17 AM
As Brian Dooher seems to have a vital role in helping persuade players to stick with Tyrone, do Tyrone fans believe he will make a good manager one day? Whilst, at best, Dooher could be described as a poor man's McGeeney, could he be the man to eventually replace Mickey Harte?
What? McGeeney was a centre half back. How can you even compare them? They are both good players but you can't compare a CHB with a forward in any sensible way.
Dooher at best could be described as the hardest working forward ever. At worst could be described as a player who would at least make the squad for any team at any time. McGeeney in fairness was a superb player and for about 4-5 years the best CHB around. How can you get that Dooher is a poor man's McGeeney?
The two players are incomparable
Crazy comment
Quote from: regal on July 19, 2011, 10:05:17 AM
As Brian Dooher seems to have a vital role in helping persuade players to stick with Tyrone, do Tyrone fans believe he will make a good manager one day? Whilst, at best, Dooher could be described as a poor man's McGeeney, could he be the man to eventually replace Mickey Harte?
:D
The first 'poor' man in history with 3 times as much silver in his back pocket than his 'rich' neighbour!
:D
When was the last time Armagh beat Tyrone in senior football?
Was it the Ulster Final debacle of 05?
Can only remember the AISF of 05, the McKenna game in Casement and the Ulster Championship first round a couple of years ago, all won by Tyrone.
If all the above is true, the last time Armagh legitimately defeated Tyrone was 2002 in the replay when Canavan was missing.
It has been a while since Armagh beat Tyrone when it really matters alright. I expect no change on Saturday.
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I'd like to see Armagh expose the Tyrone full back line at some point with Jamie & Brian Mallon.
It might be a good game to play the sweeper - I'd use Aaron Kernan, I think it has to be a ball player.
I'd have Mal Mackin on Philip Jordan's wing.
My only really nagging concern is how we deal with the 2 Cavanagh's. At least 1 of them is going to be in the half forward line... I'm not sure who we have to pick either up from there.
If I was Micky Harte... I'd play them both in the half forward line for this game.
Finn Mo might pick one up...
Brian Mallon as committed and nice a guy as he is has had more than enough chances, O Rourke is the man holiding the jersey now
I still believe wee Brian's best position is in the full forward line. He's not often left in there.
QuoteDo you think our FB line is weak Goats?
The last day it was Block, Joey & Carlin and most people think Swift could come back in for Carlin this weekend.
Colm has been playing better than Sean I think this year, as Sean is suffering from teams going out of their way to frustrate him and not let him get into games from the start. I'd like to see Sean transform his game to be a "pass and go" type of runner and not be always taking people on. Then again if he started at 14 I wouldn't complain either.
Is McKeever definitely out then? He will be sorely missed. Who will ye have marking Peter Harte? He won't get as much space as he did the last day I'd say.
I don't think it's a weak full back line... however the 3 mentioned IMO are better suited out the field. I don't recall Dermy being a particularly tight marker... & I'd fancy smaller nippy forwards like Jamie & wee Brian against the other 2 every day (as long as we hit the right type of ball in)!
Pete Harte will likely be lifted by Aaron Kernan i'd say.
O'Neill - of the 3 games in '05 Tyrone only deserved to win the first drawn game. They were much better that day than Armagh. The 2nd & 3rd games Armagh were the better team.
It's only now that I appreciate the devastation and heartache suffered by the apple-chompers in 2005. Armagh looked unbeatable that year - at their peak. Tyrone were cruising in the Ulster Final but Armagh still won after the Collins blunders. It seemed like destiny. I think Armagh would've handled Kerry OK in that final too. I'm sure the street-urinators still have nightmares about Canavan's point. I remember Steven McDonald saying that he plays a point he missed over and over in his head.
I met John McCloskey one night and we discussed that game. You could feel the bitter regret he held over that result but refused to blame anyone. The bounce of a ball/misplaced pass.
So, after all these years I have come to empathise with the complete mess the Armagh fans must have been in when sun rose the following morning and they looked at the Irish News. For that reason, I wouldn't begrudge you a draw maybe this weekend.
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2011, 11:07:41 AM
It's only now that I appreciate the devastation and heartache suffered by the apple-chompers in 2005. Armagh looked unbeatable that year - at their peak. Tyrone were cruising in the Ulster Final but Armagh still won after the Collins blunders. It seemed like destiny. I think Armagh would've handled Kerry OK in that final too. I'm sure the street-urinators still have nightmares about Canavan's point. I remember Steven McDonald saying that he plays a point he missed over and over in his head.
I met John McCloskey one night and we discussed that game. You could feel the bitter regret he held over that result but refused to blame anyone. The bounce of a ball/misplaced pass.
So, after all these years I have come to empathise with the complete mess the Armagh fans must have been in when sun rose the following morning and they looked at the Irish News. For that reason, I wouldn't begrudge you a draw maybe this weekend.
This Steven McDonald?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ieqsyxnYlNo/SS7lfj7mGOI/AAAAAAAADTU/NWPAJf5QYcM/s400/steve04.jpg)
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So can anyone confirm to me yet, is it on the box or not?
No, it isn't.
Now what the feck am i going to do, I have a stag night out in Belfast sat night booked for the past 3-4 months, noone could have foreseen this fixture,
Yes, that's him. Used to point at his number.
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As Brian Dooher seems to have a vital role in helping persuade players to stick with Tyrone, do Tyrone fans believe he will make a good manager one day? Whilst, at best, Dooher could be described as a poor man's McGeeney, could he be the man to eventually replace Mickey Harte?
What? McGeeney was a centre half back. How can you even compare them? They are both good players but you can't compare a CHB with a forward in any sensible way.
Dooher at best could be described as the hardest working forward ever. At worst could be described as a player who would at least make the squad for any team at any time. McGeeney in fairness was a superb player and for about 4-5 years the best CHB around. How can you get that Dooher is a poor man's McGeeney?
The two players are incomparable
Crazy comment
My defining memory of both men:
McGeeney: McGuigan putting him on his hole in the 03 final and kicking a quality point!
Dooher: Taking two/three massive hits along the cusack stand sideline in 08 final and then kicking a massive point after all the hard work!
I think this sums them up in my mind!
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Quote from: regal on July 19, 2011, 10:05:17 AM
As Brian Dooher seems to have a vital role in helping persuade players to stick with Tyrone, do Tyrone fans believe he will make a good manager one day? Whilst, at best, Dooher could be described as a poor man's McGeeney, could he be the man to eventually replace Mickey Harte?
:D
The first 'poor' man in history with 3 times as much silver in his back pocket than his 'rich' neighbour!
:D
Look, questioning the quality of Dooher is crazy, a legend.
But, I fooooking hate this medals' argument, it's such a stupid one. Djimi Traore has a Champions League medal.
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Quote from: regal on July 19, 2011, 10:05:17 AM
As Brian Dooher seems to have a vital role in helping persuade players to stick with Tyrone, do Tyrone fans believe he will make a good manager one day? Whilst, at best, Dooher could be described as a poor man's McGeeney, could he be the man to eventually replace Mickey Harte?
What? McGeeney was a centre half back. How can you even compare them? They are both good players but you can't compare a CHB with a forward in any sensible way.
Dooher at best could be described as the hardest working forward ever. At worst could be described as a player who would at least make the squad for any team at any time. McGeeney in fairness was a superb player and for about 4-5 years the best CHB around. How can you get that Dooher is a poor man's McGeeney?
The two players are incomparable
Crazy comment
My defining memory of both men:
McGeeney: McGuigan putting him on his hole in the 03 final and kicking a quality point!
Dooher: Taking two/three massive hits along the cusack stand sideline in 08 final and then kicking a massive point after all the hard work!
I think this sums them up in my mind!
Radee Bout Yee: Gobshite.
Summed up pretty well I think.
The poster Y.A.I.C. is much missed in these situations.
Quote from: onefaircounty on July 19, 2011, 11:51:27 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2011, 10:37:51 AM
Quote from: regal on July 19, 2011, 10:05:17 AM
As Brian Dooher seems to have a vital role in helping persuade players to stick with Tyrone, do Tyrone fans believe he will make a good manager one day? Whilst, at best, Dooher could be described as a poor man's McGeeney, could he be the man to eventually replace Mickey Harte?
:D
The first 'poor' man in history with 3 times as much silver in his back pocket than his 'rich' neighbour!
:D
Look, questioning the quality of Dooher is crazy, a legend.
But, I fooooking hate this medals' argument, it's such a stupid one. Djimi Traore has a Champions League medal.
The medals argument in this case is very relavent. Dooher contributed greatly to the 3 medals he has. I would say without him Tyrone would not have 3 titles.
Brian Dooher is one of the best players to ever come out of the province, as was mc geeny
The point he scored against Kerry in th 08 final underneath the Cusack stand was probably the best point i have ever seen
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Quote from: regal on July 19, 2011, 10:05:17 AM
As Brian Dooher seems to have a vital role in helping persuade players to stick with Tyrone, do Tyrone fans believe he will make a good manager one day? Whilst, at best, Dooher could be described as a poor man's McGeeney, could he be the man to eventually replace Mickey Harte?
:D
The first 'poor' man in history with 3 times as much silver in his back pocket than his 'rich' neighbour!
:D
Look, questioning the quality of Dooher is crazy, a legend.
But, I fooooking hate this medals' argument, it's such a stupid one. Djimi Traore has a Champions League medal.
The medals argument in this case is very relavent. Dooher contributed greatly to the 3 medals he has. I would say without him Tyrone would not have 3 titles.
Not relevant at all in this argument as it implies that he is better than McGeeney because he has three. I agree that without him Tyrone wouldn't have won three. Of course, McGeeney could not have given more towards Armagh's hopes - the fact that he has two less shouldn't even come into consideration in this argument, even though it's a stupid one. Dooher has three because the sum of all parts for Tyrone were able to, Armagh came up short, despite McGeeney's efforts.
In my opinion Tyrone would have 0 all irelands without Brian Dooher and he's the only one player I would say that about in their team. I think his work-rate dictated the way they a played a lot more than anyone gave credit for. Dooher also has redefined the WHF role.
Armagh wouldn't have won the AI without McGeeney either. His defining moment was the block he made on Tomas O'Se (I think?) when sprinting past Justin McNulty to get to him towards the end of the 03 final. That move summed up his character and will to win to me.
Both legends of men who I'd have loved to have playing for my own county. Rarely have two men played the game with as much heart as these 2 boys.
Glenelly Rockin' by the River Festival 2011
Plumbridge will be the place to be for all Tyrone Gaels and Armagh Gaels following the game on Saturday evening as the World Renowned 'More Power to Your Elbow' take to the stage as the opening act in Glenelly St Joseph's GAC Rockin by the River festival.
There is a wide range of activities for all ages and tastes throughout the week. The full festival line up is as follows:
• Saturday 23rd July-More Power to your Elbow
• Sunday 24th July-Glenelly's Got Talent
• Monday 25th July-Sperrin Ramble
• Tuesday 26th July-Kiddies &Teen Disco
• Wednesday 27th July-Big Bingo
• Thursday 28th July-Strictly Come Dancing
• Friday 29th July-Robert Mizzell
• Saturday 30th July-Vintage Day PM-The Boogie Men
• Sunday 31st July-Family Funday PM-Pontius Pilots
McGenney also scored a great point from there in the 2005 AISF at the end of the first half. That match ended in utter devastation for Armagh and their supporters as they had to sit back and watch a side they could easily have beaten defeat Kerry in the final to edge ahead in the head to head All-Ireland stakes. My abiding memory was McGeeney praying (or was it cursing Joe) on the sideline when Canavan knocked over the winner to rip the heart out of Armagh as a county, a blow they continue to endure and probably will til their dying day.
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As Brian Dooher seems to have a vital role in helping persuade players to stick with Tyrone, do Tyrone fans believe he will make a good manager one day? Whilst, at best, Dooher could be described as a poor man's McGeeney, could he be the man to eventually replace Mickey Harte?
What? McGeeney was a centre half back. How can you even compare them? They are both good players but you can't compare a CHB with a forward in any sensible way.
Dooher at best could be described as the hardest working forward ever. At worst could be described as a player who would at least make the squad for any team at any time. McGeeney in fairness was a superb player and for about 4-5 years the best CHB around. How can you get that Dooher is a poor man's McGeeney?
The two players are incomparable
Crazy comment
My defining memory of both men:
McGeeney: McGuigan putting him on his hole in the 03 final and kicking a quality point!
Dooher: Taking two/three massive hits along the cusack stand sideline in 08 final and then kicking a massive point after all the hard work!
I think this sums them up in my mind!
Radee Bout Yee: Gobshite.
Summed up pretty well I think.
AT least I qualified my response - can you???? I didn't say that i thought mcgeeney was a bad footballer or anything - just saying what my defining memory is!
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Quote from: regal on July 19, 2011, 10:05:17 AM
As Brian Dooher seems to have a vital role in helping persuade players to stick with Tyrone, do Tyrone fans believe he will make a good manager one day? Whilst, at best, Dooher could be described as a poor man's McGeeney, could he be the man to eventually replace Mickey Harte?
What? McGeeney was a centre half back. How can you even compare them? They are both good players but you can't compare a CHB with a forward in any sensible way.
Dooher at best could be described as the hardest working forward ever. At worst could be described as a player who would at least make the squad for any team at any time. McGeeney in fairness was a superb player and for about 4-5 years the best CHB around. How can you get that Dooher is a poor man's McGeeney?
The two players are incomparable
Crazy comment
My defining memory of both men:
McGeeney: McGuigan putting him on his hole in the 03 final and kicking a quality point!
Dooher: Taking two/three massive hits along the cusack stand sideline in 08 final and then kicking a massive point after all the hard work!
I think this sums them up in my mind!
Radee Bout Yee: Gobshite.
Summed up pretty well I think.
AT least I qualified my response - can you???? I didn't say that i thought mcgeeney was a bad footballer or anything - just saying what my defining memory is!
If that's how you honestly see McGeeney in your mind then you're an eejit.
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Quote from: regal on July 19, 2011, 10:05:17 AM
As Brian Dooher seems to have a vital role in helping persuade players to stick with Tyrone, do Tyrone fans believe he will make a good manager one day? Whilst, at best, Dooher could be described as a poor man's McGeeney, could he be the man to eventually replace Mickey Harte?
What? McGeeney was a centre half back. How can you even compare them? They are both good players but you can't compare a CHB with a forward in any sensible way.
Dooher at best could be described as the hardest working forward ever. At worst could be described as a player who would at least make the squad for any team at any time. McGeeney in fairness was a superb player and for about 4-5 years the best CHB around. How can you get that Dooher is a poor man's McGeeney?
The two players are incomparable
Crazy comment
My defining memory of both men:
McGeeney: McGuigan putting him on his hole in the 03 final and kicking a quality point!
Dooher: Taking two/three massive hits along the cusack stand sideline in 08 final and then kicking a massive point after all the hard work!
I think this sums them up in my mind!
Radee Bout Yee: Gobshite.
Summed up pretty well I think.
AT least I qualified my response - can you???? I didn't say that i thought mcgeeney was a bad footballer or anything - just saying what my defining memory is!
If that's how you honestly see McGeeney in your mind then you're an eejit.
I never really watched much of mcgeeney unless he was playing against Tyrone and that is honestly my stand out memory!
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Quote from: Radda bout yeee on July 19, 2011, 11:40:04 AM
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Quote from: regal on July 19, 2011, 10:05:17 AM
As Brian Dooher seems to have a vital role in helping persuade players to stick with Tyrone, do Tyrone fans believe he will make a good manager one day? Whilst, at best, Dooher could be described as a poor man's McGeeney, could he be the man to eventually replace Mickey Harte?
What? McGeeney was a centre half back. How can you even compare them? They are both good players but you can't compare a CHB with a forward in any sensible way.
Dooher at best could be described as the hardest working forward ever. At worst could be described as a player who would at least make the squad for any team at any time. McGeeney in fairness was a superb player and for about 4-5 years the best CHB around. How can you get that Dooher is a poor man's McGeeney?
The two players are incomparable
Crazy comment
My defining memory of both men:
McGeeney: McGuigan putting him on his hole in the 03 final and kicking a quality point!
Dooher: Taking two/three massive hits along the cusack stand sideline in 08 final and then kicking a massive point after all the hard work!
I think this sums them up in my mind!
Radee Bout Yee: Gobshite.
Summed up pretty well I think.
AT least I qualified my response - can you???? I didn't say that i thought mcgeeney was a bad footballer or anything - just saying what my defining memory is!
If that's how you honestly see McGeeney in your mind then you're an eejit.
I never really watched much of mcgeeney unless he was playing against Tyrone and that is honestly my stand out memory!
That's fair enough - doesn't sum them him up pretty weell though.
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Quote from: regal on July 19, 2011, 10:05:17 AM
As Brian Dooher seems to have a vital role in helping persuade players to stick with Tyrone, do Tyrone fans believe he will make a good manager one day? Whilst, at best, Dooher could be described as a poor man's McGeeney, could he be the man to eventually replace Mickey Harte?
What? McGeeney was a centre half back. How can you even compare them? They are both good players but you can't compare a CHB with a forward in any sensible way.
Dooher at best could be described as the hardest working forward ever. At worst could be described as a player who would at least make the squad for any team at any time. McGeeney in fairness was a superb player and for about 4-5 years the best CHB around. How can you get that Dooher is a poor man's McGeeney?
The two players are incomparable
Crazy comment
My defining memory of both men:
McGeeney: McGuigan putting him on his hole in the 03 final and kicking a quality point!
Dooher: Taking two/three massive hits along the cusack stand sideline in 08 final and then kicking a massive point after all the hard work!
I think this sums them up in my mind!
Radee Bout Yee: Gobshite.
Summed up pretty well I think.
AT least I qualified my response - can you???? I didn't say that i thought mcgeeney was a bad footballer or anything - just saying what my defining memory is!
If that's how you honestly see McGeeney in your mind then you're an eejit.
I never really watched much of mcgeeney unless he was playing against Tyrone and that is honestly my stand out memory!
That's fair enough - doesn't sum them him up pretty weell though.
granted i may have worded that part badly! I'm certainly not a gobshite!
Will the Killeeshil wrecking ball be drafted in for this encounter on Saturday night. This type of blood and thunder contest might be right up Hub's street, however, Colm would probably be the man to lose out and the big Moy man's form has been good. I think the hub may have to be satisfied with a place on the bench.
Vernon missed out on 2009 I think with a broken jaw. I haven't watched him play in the flesh so looking forward to that.
yeh he got a broken jaw against Dublin in a challenge game before that game
I love all this smug shite from the Tyrone lads, reminiscent of we've got 5 Sams. Lets see what happens Saturday. In the meantime boys keep talking!
10 years ago was the start of the modern day rivalry. Armagh arrived in Clones having won the '99 and '00 Ulster titles and were primed for a serious assault on the All-Ireland. Tyrone were starting to employ the young lads who'd won the U21 and minor All-Irelands in the previous 3 years. Tyrone won 1-14 to 1-9.
The teams 10 years ago:
B Tierney;
E McNulty, G Reid, J McNulty;
K Hughes, K McGeeney, A McCann;
J McEntee, P McGrane;
C O'Rourke, B O'Hagan, O McConville;
S McDonnell, D Marsden, T McEntee.
TYRONE:
F McConnell;
C McGinley, C Lawn, P McGurk;
R McMenamin, S Teague, D McCrossan;
C McAnallen, K Hughes;
B Dooher, S O'Neill, Pascal Canavan;
G Cavlan, Peter Canavan, E Mulligan.
Mulligan scored Tyrone's goal after 12 seconds.
Armagh v Tyrone 1994 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWh-PmrGa2c&NR=1
Fine goals from Stephen Lawn and Diarmuid Marsden. Plunkett's flowing locks better than his goal.
Armagh v Tyrone 1990 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i4R-jPDElU&feature=related
I'd imagine that was Canavan's first championship start?
I wonder will Gormley get another goal this time. He scored a cracker back in 2009.
I'd like to see Coney start again as it's games like these he'll gain great experience.
If he got a few scores like Harte did the last day he could benefit from the confidence boost.
With the exception of O'Neill, do Tyrone have near enough a full panel to pick from?
Here are the 30 players we have to pick from with A.McCrory another defender.
McConnell Devine
Swift Carlin
Joey McCarron
Justy PJ Quinn
Ricey D.Harte
Gormley McCaul
Jordan Sean O'Neill
Cassidy Hub
Sean Cav Niall McKenna
Colm Cav Dooher
B.McGuigan Tommy McGuigan
P.Harte McNabb
Penrose McGinley
Donnelly S.O.Neill (Inj)
Coney Mugsy
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2011, 03:20:20 PM
Armagh v Tyrone 1990 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i4R-jPDElU&feature=related
I'd imagine that was Canavan's first championship start?
God Tyrone were filthy even back then.
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 19, 2011, 02:53:13 PM
I love all this smug shite from the Tyrone lads, reminiscent of we've got 5 Sams. Lets see what happens Saturday. In the meantime boys keep talking!
Smug Shite-were the Armagh lads not declaring they had the best backline in the country ever a couple of months ago? Duffleking in paticular! Iv heard a few say they have the best full forward line too! All they need is three half forwards and two midfielders and another all ireland will nestle among the empty bottles of bo wine once again!
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on July 19, 2011, 03:52:29 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 19, 2011, 02:53:13 PM
I love all this smug shite from the Tyrone lads, reminiscent of we've got 5 Sams. Lets see what happens Saturday. In the meantime boys keep talking!
Smug Shite-were the Armagh lads not declaring they had the best backline in the country ever a couple of months ago? Duffleking in paticular! Iv heard a few say they have the best full forward line too! All they need is three half forwards and two midfielders and another all ireland will nestle among the empty bottles of bo wine once again!
Ahh Spud you never fail with such eloquent arguments, must be in the lough water.
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 19, 2011, 02:53:13 PM
I love all this smug shite from the Tyrone lads, reminiscent of we've got 5 Sams. Lets see what happens Saturday. In the meantime boys keep talking!
Must be difficult for youse, being sandwiched between Tyrone and Down, your two more successful neighbours.
15 pages and its only Tuesday
Its all bubbling up nicely now this apple stew
I hope we don't get caught red handed.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 19, 2011, 04:17:33 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 19, 2011, 02:53:13 PM
I love all this smug shite from the Tyrone lads, reminiscent of we've got 5 Sams. Lets see what happens Saturday. In the meantime boys keep talking!
Must be difficult for youse, being sandwiched between Tyrone and Down, your two more successful neighbours.
And Louth have 3 All-Irelands too Ziggy.
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2011, 04:23:19 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 19, 2011, 04:17:33 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 19, 2011, 02:53:13 PM
I love all this smug shite from the Tyrone lads, reminiscent of we've got 5 Sams. Lets see what happens Saturday. In the meantime boys keep talking!
Must be difficult for youse, being sandwiched between Tyrone and Down, your two more successful neighbours.
And Louth have 3 All-Irelands too Ziggy.
No wonder they're like cooking apples, very bitter.
QuoteIv heard a few say they have the best full forward line too!
As tyroneman said earlier in this thread, we have the best full forward line, but R. Clarke is injured.
Injuries play an important role in how things pan out.
QuoteMust be difficult for youse, being sandwiched between Tyrone and Down, your two more successful neighbours.
We are also sandwiched between Antrim and Monaghan. :)
I could see this one ending in a draw.... the game in Aughrim definitely has removed the hangover from the Derry game (First half agst wicklow).I thought Armagh played very well on saturday & I came out thinking, Armagh will give Tyrone all they want next week (Granted Tyrone are a few notches up from wicklow) Jamie Clarke is on fire, some of the changes & personnel which POR has made have really come off Mackin in FF, Hanratty, MOR finally delivering, Stevie in CHF, so it should be really interesting. Clarke will be a marked man, I can see Armagh contesting very well at MF & am looking forward to Vernon v Cavanagh (if he does'nt start in FF) - looks like there is going to be a big crowd & everyone is looking forward to it, the rivallry between Armagh & Tyrone has cleaned up a fair bit & theres good craic and a fair bot of respect.... may the best team win .... Armagh that is ;D
Paddy seems to agree with the Tyrone fans on this one:
Tyrone 4/9
Draw 15/2
Armagh 9/4
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2011, 03:20:20 PM
Armagh v Tyrone 1990 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i4R-jPDElU&feature=related
I'd imagine that was Canavan's first championship start?
Martin McQuillian could fairly shift in them days
We are bucked in this game, Tyrone by 6 points, 3-11to 1-11.
Vernon to give his brother in law the deadener!!!
Just after speaking to someone from county board. Tickets will be sold from outlet vans at the front entrance to Healy park and at the Killybrack road entrance. Stand tickets are £18 and terrace £14. There is no concession for students and children's tickets will be £5.
Armagh v Tyrone 1994 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWh-PmrGa2c&NR=1
Fine goals from Stephen Lawn and Diarmuid Marsden. Plunkett's flowing locks better than his goal.
cheers for that link. It was a a great days craic! I was at a 7 aside tournament at healy pk several days after the 94 match and cuthbert showed me some of the missiles that had been thrown on the pitch. Pieces of lead about the size of yer thumb and sharpened to a point. lovely! And big plunkett runnin half the pitch to score a goal. Happy days indeed.
Quote from: SuperHo on July 19, 2011, 05:38:47 PM
Armagh v Tyrone 1994 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWh-PmrGa2c&NR=1
Fine goals from Stephen Lawn and Diarmuid Marsden. Plunkett's flowing locks better than his goal.
cheers for that link. It was a a great days craic! I was at a 7 aside tournament at healy pk several days after the 94 match and cuthbert showed me some of the missiles that had been thrown on the pitch. Pieces of lead about the size of yer thumb and sharpened to a point. lovely! And big plunkett runnin half the pitch to score a goal. Happy days indeed.
Without soloing too! ;D
Martin Duffy refereeing - this is going to be some spectacle!
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 19, 2011, 05:53:46 PM
Martin Duffy refereeing - this is going to be some spectacle!
Sweet feckety, feck-feck!
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 19, 2011, 05:53:46 PM
Martin Duffy refereeing - this is going to be some spectacle!
....
What's the chances of this selling out? Slim enough i'd guess, aye ?
Omagh gael - is that confirmed about the ticket vans ? And which of the 2 would be handiest for terrace access? it must be 1989/90 since i was last there
Quote from: ardchieftain on July 19, 2011, 07:06:03 PM
What's the chances of this selling out? Slim enough i'd guess, aye ?
Omagh gael - is that confirmed about the ticket vans ? And which of the 2 would be handiest for terrace access? it must be 1989/90 since i was last there
That's from the Tyrone county board office. It depends on what direction you coming from. If you follow the main route towards Healy then you may as well park on the Gortin road and go in the main entrance.
However, if you're feeling adventurous I could post up directions to take you onto the Killybrack road and use that entrance, easier to get in and out of the ground.
Quote from: EC Unique on July 19, 2011, 04:40:35 PM
Paddy seems to agree with the Tyrone fans on this one:
Tyrone 4/9
Draw 15/2
Armagh 9/4
Armagh are the same price to beat Tyrone as Down are to beat Cork (both 9/4)! Surely Armagh have a better chance of winning than Down do.
Quote from: SuperHo on July 19, 2011, 05:38:47 PM
Armagh v Tyrone 1994 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWh-PmrGa2c&NR=1
Fine goals from Stephen Lawn and Diarmuid Marsden. Plunkett's flowing locks better than his goal.
cheers for that link. It was a a great days craic! I was at a 7 aside tournament at healy pk several days after the 94 match and cuthbert showed me some of the missiles that had been thrown on the pitch. Pieces of lead about the size of yer thumb and sharpened to a point. lovely! And big plunkett runnin half the pitch to score a goal. Happy days indeed.
The only times i have seen Plunkett moving quicker were:
1 - getting away from Mark Grimley
2 - Running begging for the Armagh managers job (thank god for POR)
Cheers omagh Gael. The main entrance it is then
Quote from: ardchieftain on July 19, 2011, 07:25:46 PM
Cheers omagh Gael. The main entrance it is then
On the main road up to Healy park you can turn right at a "Y" in the road before the Spar shop that also takes you up to the Killybrack road entrance.
The only times i have seen Plunkett moving quicker were:
1 - getting away from Mark Grimley
2 - Running begging for the Armagh managers job (thank god for POR)
did they not run into each other in the tunnel that day in 94?
as for por? managing a team 9pts up in an ulster final and still managed to blow it
nuff said
Weather prospects seem positive at this stage, this should help the crowd.
Showers will become isolated on Saturday and many areas will get decent sunshine.
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 19, 2011, 12:27:54 PM
The point he scored against Kerry in th 08 final underneath the Cusack stand was probably the best point i have ever seen
Totally agree Onion Bag - I was on the upper deck of the Cussack that day, just right above his run. It was the best score that I have ever seen at any game at any level.
Quote from: north down on July 19, 2011, 08:04:09 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 19, 2011, 12:27:54 PM
The point he scored against Kerry in th 08 final underneath the Cusack stand was probably the best point i have ever seen
Totally agree Onion Bag - I was on the upper deck of the Cussack that day, just right above his run. It was the best score that I have ever seen at any game at any level.
I was on the lower deck of the cusack that day, just above his run.
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on July 19, 2011, 11:40:04 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 19, 2011, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: regal on July 19, 2011, 10:05:17 AM
As Brian Dooher seems to have a vital role in helping persuade players to stick with Tyrone, do Tyrone fans believe he will make a good manager one day? Whilst, at best, Dooher could be described as a poor man's McGeeney, could he be the man to eventually replace Mickey Harte?
What? McGeeney was a centre half back. How can you even compare them? They are both good players but you can't compare a CHB with a forward in any sensible way.
Dooher at best could be described as the hardest working forward ever. At worst could be described as a player who would at least make the squad for any team at any time. McGeeney in fairness was a superb player and for about 4-5 years the best CHB around. How can you get that Dooher is a poor man's McGeeney?
The two players are incomparable
Crazy comment
My defining memory of both men:
McGeeney: McGuigan putting him on his hole in the 03 final and kicking a quality point!
Dooher: Taking two/three massive hits along the cusack stand sideline in 08 final and then kicking a massive point after all the hard work!
I think this sums them up in my mind!
Was some score b Dooher to be fair, other memories i have of Dooher is throwing himself to the ground in 03 final trying to get Paul McGrane sent off. The referee had one look at him and told him to get up, (about the only decision he got right that day, Dooher obviously not as convincing as Jordan with his cheating).
Remember Dooher also trying to get Martin OConnell sent off by putting his head under his foot then claiming he was stamped on.
I think this is the one you're after lads.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F7RhDFwsTE&feature=related
Or this ;D ;D
http://youtu.be/jxlXc3s51Zs
Quote from: Armaghgael on July 19, 2011, 08:52:37 PM
Or this ;D ;D
http://youtu.be/jxlXc3s51Zs
This one's even better ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R8WF2gJ8so (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R8WF2gJ8so)
Getting more confident as the week goes on. Hearing different roumors about McKeever, Toner and Swift, hard to know what to believe :-\. What about Tyrone is o'neill the only injury?
Quote from: ziggysego on July 19, 2011, 08:56:59 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on July 19, 2011, 08:52:37 PM
Or this ;D ;D
http://youtu.be/jxlXc3s51Zs
This one's even better ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R8WF2gJ8so (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R8WF2gJ8so)
Thats class ziggy,great memories there
Them boys don't like us at all - http://www.armaghgaa.net/forum/f5/armagh-vs-tyrone-1385/
Remember in 2003 Armagh v Tyrone had to be given a separate forum to keep the southerners happy - oh how the mighty have fallen - can't see either team going much further this year...
Pay no heed to them boys on Armagh.net...They haven't a clue. Even the most ardent Armagh fan knows that Tyrone will win by 3 or 4.
Quote from: 02 on July 20, 2011, 12:04:04 AM
Remember in 2003 Armagh v Tyrone had to be given a separate forum to keep the southerners happy - oh how the mighty have fallen - can't see either team going much further this year...
What a shit post,obviously the winner has to go further.Both teams have some fin footballers,im sure the likes of sean cavanagh joe mc mahon jamie clarke or steven mc donnell would make the kerry or cork team,i wouldnt rite of any team tha posses such players
Quote from: SuperHo on July 19, 2011, 07:46:24 PM
The only times i have seen Plunkett moving quicker were:
1 - getting away from Mark Grimley
2 - Running begging for the Armagh managers job (thank god for POR)
did they not run into each other in the tunnel that day in 94?
as for por? managing a team 9pts up in an ulster final and still managed to blow itnuff said
Seem to remember a certain Ulster team choking on a similar lead in Croke Park circa 86. Nuff said ;)
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2011, 11:58:05 PM
Them boys don't like us at all - http://www.armaghgaa.net/forum/f5/armagh-vs-tyrone-1385/
That's hilarious stuff. Some of those boyos have to be on the wind up.
To end comparisons between mc geeney and dooher. Dooher has 3 celtic crosses whilst mc geeney has one. Mc geeney ran off into management of anmother county when he had another year in him, whereas doohers committment is unflinching total
Dooher is held together with a couple of bandages...will be using a walking stick by the age of 40...and is denying some young buck an opportunity...time to move on!
Quote from: snippets on July 20, 2011, 08:16:03 AM
To end comparisons between mc geeney and dooher. Dooher has 3 celtic crosses whilst mc geeney has one. Mc geeney ran off into management of anmother county when he had another year in him, whereas doohers committment is unflinching total
But as a player McGeeney never feigned injury, never dived, never through himself to the ground to get an opponent sent off. Nobody could ever call McGeeney a cheat.
Quote from: regal on July 20, 2011, 09:33:59 AM
Quote from: snippets on July 20, 2011, 08:16:03 AM
To end comparisons between mc geeney and dooher. Dooher has 3 celtic crosses whilst mc geeney has one. Mc geeney ran off into management of anmother county when he had another year in him, whereas doohers committment is unflinching total
But as a player McGeeney never feigned injury, never dived, never through himself to the ground to get an opponent sent off. Nobody could ever call McGeeney a cheat.
Threw. How's your summer holidays? No, you cannot call McGeeney a cheat, but does McGeeney envy Dooher-most definitely. Does anyone in Tyrone envy McGeeney, his bald patch and his sad act personality-no.
Ah now lads, the banter was good here. Don't let it turn nasty.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 20, 2011, 09:47:38 AM
Ah now lads, the banter was good here. Don't let it turn nasty.
The f**king ex hogan-standers are turning this board to shit.
I don't know if any of you have noticed but McGeeney won't actually be playing in the Tyrone vs Armagh game. I would have thought the upcoming event on Saturday would be more important to discuss than a my da's bigger than your da, style pissin contest
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on July 20, 2011, 09:39:21 AM
Quote from: regal on July 20, 2011, 09:33:59 AM
Quote from: snippets on July 20, 2011, 08:16:03 AM
To end comparisons between mc geeney and dooher. Dooher has 3 celtic crosses whilst mc geeney has one. Mc geeney ran off into management of anmother county when he had another year in him, whereas doohers committment is unflinching total
But as a player McGeeney never feigned injury, never dived, never through himself to the ground to get an opponent sent off. Nobody could ever call McGeeney a cheat.
Threw. How's your summer holidays? No, you cannot call McGeeney a cheat, but does McGeeney envy Dooher-most definitely. Does anyone in Tyrone envy McGeeney, his bald patch and his sad act personality-no.
thrown
Pauld what size is yer ma?
Mine is very small.
I was just thinking last night that the Armagh v Tyrone rivalry has certainly added to the past 10 years for both teams. As someone already said Armagh have suffered a bit at the hands of Tyrone in the big games and had they a bit more luck they could have been the team sitting with 3 AI's not Tyrone.
In all sport, drama, intensity, a bit of foul play & revenge sure adds to the overall spectacle. I've been to other games in Croker where there is hardly any passion or atmosphere and its not much fun. Tyrone winning of Ulster the past few years and Armagh's great runs before that were becoming boring.
The sheer joy and ecstasy on the faces of the Donegal fans last weekend and the pain on the Derry ones helps to keep the passion in our games.
I kinda feel sorry for the poor Dubs as they win Leinster at a canter each year without much of a battle most games and then they're coming in cold to a team in the 1/4's who have won 3 or 4 in a row with great momentum and team spirit.
I think that's why they appreciate the exciting games they had with Tyrone in 2005 & the time they beat Armagh up in Clones.
I will never forgot the feeling in my stomach in 2003 final, being surrounded by Armagh fans in the upper Cusack but still being able to shout my heart out. The tension & uncertainty right up the final kick was unreal and every year I know we might never experience that again.
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 20, 2011, 10:37:38 AM
I don't know if any of you have noticed but McGeeney won't actually be playing in the Tyrone vs Armagh game. I would have thought the upcoming event on Saturday would be more important to discuss than a my da's bigger than your da, style pissin contest
Was thinking that myself PAUL123
For me this is a great rivalry though not as big as Tyrone v Derry,though reading some of the comments on that Armagh forum reminds me how much i dislike those hoors ;D
Classic situation for Armagh,no one giving them a chance,they are away from home and expected to get beaten.As we saw against Down,they were able to raise their game considerably and will likely do so again for us.Keeping Jamie Clarke quiet is the key and i still think Tyrone will prevail.
hmm. think that's the point. art doesn't manage tyrone anymore. por still with armagh for another game at least!
it wasnt meant as an anti-armagh thing - don't think hes a good manager thats all
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 19, 2011, 05:42:25 PM
Quote from: SuperHo on July 19, 2011, 05:38:47 PM
Armagh v Tyrone 1994 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWh-PmrGa2c&NR=1
Fine goals from Stephen Lawn and Diarmuid Marsden. Plunkett's flowing locks better than his goal.
cheers for that link. It was a a great days craic! I was at a 7 aside tournament at healy pk several days after the 94 match and cuthbert showed me some of the missiles that had been thrown on the pitch. Pieces of lead about the size of yer thumb and sharpened to a point. lovely! And big plunkett runnin half the pitch to score a goal. Happy days indeed.
Without soloing too! ;D
LOL I remember standing behind the opposite goals that day as a scrub of a lad thinking jaysus he took some steps!!! Still can't stomach him since 1992 though! :-\
I smell apples.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 20, 2011, 09:47:38 AM
Ah now lads, the banter was good here. Don't let it turn nasty.
Spud doesn't know anything other than nasty comments, truth is both McGeeney and Dooher are excellent examples of how hard work and dedication can bring a player to the pinnacle of sport. I wouldn't say either would envy the other, and medals do not mark the measure of the man. Peter Canavan perhaps the greatest footballer of the modern era has a paltry 2 AI medals won in the twilight of his career, there are Kerrymen with 3 or 4 who wouldn't lace his boots. Anyone with a true sense of what GAA is all about would grasp this. Banter is good so long as that is all it is, and I would bet most Tyrone County players would agree that but for a kick of a ball here or there or a decision here or there both Armagh and Tyrone could have been sitting with 5 AI's each at the end of the noughties, but that's sport.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 20, 2011, 11:00:53 AM
Pauld what size is yer ma?
Mine is very small.
I was just thinking last night that the Armagh v Tyrone rivalry has certainly added to the past 10 years for both teams. As someone already said Armagh have suffered a bit at the hands of Tyrone in the big games and had they a bit more luck they could have been the team sitting with 3 AI's not Tyrone.
In all sport, drama, intensity, a bit of foul play & revenge sure adds to the overall spectacle. I've been to other games in Croker where there is hardly any passion or atmosphere and its not much fun. Tyrone winning of Ulster the past few years and Armagh's great runs before that were becoming boring.
The sheer joy and ecstasy on the faces of the Donegal fans last weekend and the pain on the Derry ones helps to keep the passion in our games.
I kinda feel sorry for the poor Dubs as they win Leinster at a canter each year without much of a battle most games and then they're coming in cold to a team in the 1/4's who have won 3 or 4 in a row with great momentum and team spirit.
I think that's why they appreciate the exciting games they had with Tyrone in 2005 & the time they beat Armagh up in Clones.
I will never forgot the feeling in my stomach in 2003 final, being surrounded by Armagh fans in the upper Cusack but still being able to shout my heart out. The tension & uncertainty right up the final kick was unreal and every year I know we might never experience that again.
Agreed, good post.
I'm off to Portugal the day after the match so if we lose I can literally escape from the country.
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Tyronicus Beardus Bushyious
(http://www.takeyourpoints.com/gallery/tyrone_fan1.jpg)
Is that not McGeenicus Kildaricus
Quote from: armaghniac on July 20, 2011, 01:50:45 PM
Quoteit is up to you to decide what species please your eye.
Tyronicus Beardus Bushyious
(http://www.takeyourpoints.com/gallery/tyrone_fan1.jpg)
Datsun Donaghy trying to revive the spirit of '08.
The All-Ireland winning Armagh team
(http://www.mayoireland.com/charlestown/archive/football1930s.jpg)
Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2011, 01:08:56 PM
I'm off to Portugal the day after the match so if we lose I can literally escape from the country.
There should be quite a few posters missing that week ::) ::)
I have already asked the question and the response was no, was just wondering had anything changed,
Is this game on the box?
Some talk of PJ and Davy Harte starting!!
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 20, 2011, 04:51:01 PM
I have already asked the question and the response was no, was just wondering had anything changed,
Is this game on the box?
no
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on July 20, 2011, 09:39:21 AM
Quote from: regal on July 20, 2011, 09:33:59 AM
Quote from: snippets on July 20, 2011, 08:16:03 AM
To end comparisons between mc geeney and dooher. Dooher has 3 celtic crosses whilst mc geeney has one. Mc geeney ran off into management of anmother county when he had another year in him, whereas doohers committment is unflinching total
But as a player McGeeney never feigned injury, never dived, never through himself to the ground to get an opponent sent off. Nobody could ever call McGeeney a cheat.
Threw. How's your summer holidays? No, you cannot call McGeeney a cheat, but does McGeeney envy Dooher-most definitely. Does anyone in Tyrone envy McGeeney, his bald patch and his sad act personality-no.
I would imagine alot of people do envy mcgeeney, i know, i would regardless of the county he is from. fantastic footballer, great leader and credit to himself and his county. Some very bitter and silly posts going on here i must be said.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 20, 2011, 03:39:45 PM
The All-Ireland winning Armagh team
(http://www.mayoireland.com/charlestown/archive/football1930s.jpg)
Francie Bellew: centre, middle row.
Quote from: Family guy on July 20, 2011, 12:22:12 AM
What a shit post,obviously the winner has to go further.Both teams have some fin footballers,im sure the likes of sean cavanagh joe mc mahon jamie clarke or steven mc donnell would make the kerry or cork team,i wouldnt rite of any team tha posses such players
Apart from 1997, I can't recall where having one or two class players meant a team could successfully win the AI. I am just being realistic based on current form it doesn't look likely that either side are capable of mounting a serious AI challenge. I am an Armagh supporter and have huge respect for Tyrone's achievements in the noughies. I would be happy to be proved wrong, but I just can't see it!
Quote from: KT on July 20, 2011, 06:28:00 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 20, 2011, 03:39:45 PM
The All-Ireland winning Armagh team
(http://www.mayoireland.com/charlestown/archive/football1930s.jpg)
Francie Bellew: centre, middle row.
:D
Quote from: ziggysego on July 20, 2011, 03:39:45 PM
The All-Ireland winning Armagh team
(http://www.mayoireland.com/charlestown/archive/football1930s.jpg)
Ahhh christ, that's class.
I always knew / wanted to believe Armagh had won 2 AIs, just didn't realise the first was in '53
Kernan writes off Armagh Sam chances
Former Armagh manager Joe Kernan has admitted that his native county have little chance of landing Sam Maguire this year.
Kernan guided Armagh to All-Ireland triumph in 2002 and while he rates the current crop, he feels they will come up short against the top teams.
"They'd be a handful for anyone and I can tell you that Kerry, Cork, Kildare, Dublin, any of the top four teams, wouldn't fancy playing them," Kernan said.
"But in terms of ourselves being title contenders, I don't think so.
"Both teams (Armagh and Tyrone) have moved on since we lost the 2003 final. As far as transition is concerned, Armagh would be a wee bit ahead of Tyrone in terms of new guys coming in.
"At the same time, Tyrone still have a bulk of guys who have won All-Irelands available to them, and you couldn't write them off for the All-Ireland."
And while the great games between the counties of the early 2000s seem like a long time ago now, Kernan insists that there will be plenty of thunder when the sides meet this weekend.
"Maybe people might think the two teams don't have that same sort of intensity or sense of vengeance about them but I can tell you the blood still runs strong," he concluded.
http://www.setanta.com/ien/Articles/2011/07/20/Kernan-writes-off-Armagh-Sam-chances/gnid-101131/
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FFS :D
Make no mistake, Armagh or Tyrone could win an All-Ireland. It would require a lucky draw and at least one class performance. Say either one wins and then (no disrespect intended) beats Roscommon. They could get a quarter final against Donegal. Now no doubt either Armagh or Tyrone would have a decent chance against Donegal. I'm not writing Donegal off or being rude, but you saw in the Ulster Semi against Tyrone that it was far from an easy victory. It would be a tight game and would not be a shock if Tyrone or Armagh beat them. They would then probably face a semi against Dublin. Dublin are hit and miss. On top form, yeah Dublin would be expected to win, but even a little off form (and we saw what Wexford did) and again it would not be a major shock if Tyrone or Armagh beat them.
So basically without any massive shocks either team could possibly end up in an All-Ireland final due to a fortunate draw and some decent performances.
You just never know what might happen. The scenario above is only one of hundreds of combinations but very possible. Of course if they faced a route of Kildare, Dublin, Kerry as an alternative then it would be a major shock if they won.
Its unusual for a shit team to stumble their way to an all ireland final. Just doesnt happen that often. Although its not unknown either.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 20, 2011, 03:39:45 PM
The All-Ireland winning Armagh team
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Official team photo and not some no mark team from the back of beyond :P
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Quote from: haveaharp on July 21, 2011, 09:43:44 AM
Its unusual for a shit team to stumble their way to an all ireland final. Just doesnt happen that often. Although its not unknown either.
Down last year, while would be unfair to call them a 'Shit team' it would be fair to say that they are far from the second best team in Ireland.
Quote from: EC Unique on July 21, 2011, 10:11:23 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on July 21, 2011, 09:43:44 AM
Its unusual for a shit team to stumble their way to an all ireland final. Just doesnt happen that often. Although its not unknown either.
Down last year, while would be unfair to call them a 'Shit team' it would be fair to say that they are far from the second best team in Ireland.
Agree totally and that was more or less my point. Also Down are far from a "shit team" but then so are Armagh and Tyrone. as for it not happening that often, apart from Down in recent years Mayo have got to a couple of finals without being even close to the 2nd best team in the country. Also Wexford in 2008 and Meath in 2007 were hardly world beaters when they got to the semis
Sorry if i've missed this in the thread but will there be coverage on the wireless?? Im hoping for Newstalk, anything but 5fm
Quote from: Midman on July 21, 2011, 11:07:22 AM
Sorry if i've missed this in the thread but will there be coverage on the wireless?? Im hoping for Newstalk, anything but 5fm
Live online here
http://www.q101west.fm/portal/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=155&Itemid=53 (http://www.q101west.fm/portal/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=155&Itemid=53)
Quote from: EC Unique on July 21, 2011, 12:06:20 PM
Quote from: Midman on July 21, 2011, 11:07:22 AM
Sorry if i've missed this in the thread but will there be coverage on the wireless?? Im hoping for Newstalk, anything but 5fm
Live online here
http://www.q101west.fm/portal/index.php?
option=com_content&view=article&id=155&Itemid=53 (http://www.q101west.fm/portal/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=155&Itemid=53)
Our paddy and Noel mightn't be too palatable for our Armagh brothers EC ;)
I'm sure BBC radio ulster 1341 MW will also be covering it.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 21, 2011, 12:15:21 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on July 21, 2011, 12:06:20 PM
Quote from: Midman on July 21, 2011, 11:07:22 AM
Sorry if i've missed this in the thread but will there be coverage on the wireless?? Im hoping for Newstalk, anything but 5fm
Live online here
http://www.q101west.fm/portal/index.php?
option=com_content&view=article&id=155&Itemid=53 (http://www.q101west.fm/portal/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=155&Itemid=53)
Our paddy and Noel mightn't be too palatable for our Armagh brothers EC ;)
I'm sure BBC radio ulster 1341 MW will also be covering it.
I know what you man OG. Would be interesting to hear their reaction to the commentry though. :D I would love them to install a webcam for a match like this. Would make for interesting viewing ;)
Quote from: haveaharp on July 21, 2011, 09:43:44 AM
Its unusual for a shit team to stumble their way to an all ireland final. Just doesnt happen that often. Although its not unknown either.
some might argue it happened last year! But I wouldn't be so rude. :D
From the County Board:
A Chairde
Following a Pre Event Meetings with the Safety Advisory Group in Omagh for the AIQ Round 3 Fixture between Tir Eoghain and Ard Mhaca please find below some information helpful to those travelling.
Major Roadworks are ongoing in Drumragh Avenue in the town centre reducing traffic flow particularly on exiting the town centre.
Tyrone supporters are advised to maximise use of parking on the Gortin Road and Killybrack side accessing from the Killyclogher direction. Armagh supporters should use Town Centre Car Parks and make their way on foot to Healy Park up the Gortin Road.
This will assist Armagh supporters avoid the traffic congestion of the town centre particularly after the game.
All supporters are encouraged to travel safely, arriving at the ground as early as possible. Turnstiles will be open from 5.45pm.
I seen in the Armagh Observer yesterday that Watters in Blaney are showing the Match live,
Is this from the internet or something? or how if it aint on the box?
I am desperate to see it but i am in belfast on a stag night,
anybody read the article in the ulster herald today about ambrose lavery. Apparently he was picked to play for both teams in the umfc of 1941 - Tyrone v Armagh.
Ticket Allocation!
Correct the following if i'm wrong:
there are 5,000 seats in the healy park stand.
therefore each county could expect to recieve 2,000 tickets each - leaving county teams family, county board members etc, club tyronies with no clubs with the remaining 1,000.
my calculating is approx 50 clubs in tyrone = 40 seats per club?
NOW if this is all correct how come when my club rang to order a fairly reasonable 29 seated tickets they were told they would be lucky to get 20?
Not much talk of the match itself and who will be marking who?
I see an article there about Cassidy and how he's looking forward to playing against Vernon.
He'll hardly get 9 clean catches this time.
Will we be playing a sweeper in front of Jamie Clarke or will we start off 1 on 1?
The 2009 game was surprisingly low key and uneventful until Clarke scored the goal near the end.
Would the general consensus be Armagh have improved since then or are they much the same?
Although I'm wary of Armagh, I think Tyrone have enough good players to take them through.
I'll be surprised if Colm Cavanagh doesn't start.
Quote from: EC Unique on July 21, 2011, 12:27:38 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 21, 2011, 12:15:21 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on July 21, 2011, 12:06:20 PM
Quote from: Midman on July 21, 2011, 11:07:22 AM
Sorry if i've missed this in the thread but will there be coverage on the wireless?? Im hoping for Newstalk, anything but 5fm
Live online here
http://www.q101west.fm/portal/index.php?
option=com_content&view=article&id=155&Itemid=53 (http://www.q101west.fm/portal/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=155&Itemid=53)
Our paddy and Noel mightn't be too palatable for our Armagh brothers EC ;)
I'm sure BBC radio ulster 1341 MW will also be covering it.
I know what you man OG. Would be interesting to hear their reaction to the commentry though. :D I would love them to install a webcam for a match like this. Would make for interesting viewing ;)
jesus, listening to paddy & noel is bad enough without having to look at them too!
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 21, 2011, 03:01:48 PM
Not much talk of the match itself and who will be marking who?
I see an article there about Cassidy and how he's looking forward to playing against Vernon.
He'll hardly get 9 clean catches this time.
Will we be playing a sweeper in front of Jamie Clarke or will we start off 1 on 1?
The 2009 game was surprisingly low key and uneventful until Clarke scored the goal near the end.
Would the general consensus be Armagh have improved since then or are they much the same?
Although I'm wary of Armagh, I think Tyrone have enough good players to take them through.
I'll be surprised if Colm Cavanagh doesn't start.
In fariness Fuzz there aint much to talk about, It took Armagh 2 attempts to put away a div 4 side in Wicklow. We are missing our Kieran Mc Keever, Kieran Toner, Nippy Swift, Ronan Clarke to name a few,
We had to move Stevie mc donnell out to CHF in order to win ball coz we dont have a half forward line. the game is only going to go one way
Tyrone - 1-15
Armagh - 0-9
Think it could be closer than some are saying, Tyrone are obviously clear favourites but there can't be a lot of harmony in the squad with Mugsy coming and going as he pleases.
With the form of Mackin, MOR and Jamie Clarke I wouldn't rule Armagh out completely...
There's no one ruling Armagh out.
This would be their biggest result in years if they pull it off. Theyll be dancing on our graves. For Tyrone it'll be barely celebrated as beating Roscommon will be the focus immediately.
Bull dung oneill, yous will be on the lash all week singing and dancing and celebrating Darren Clarke style
Seriously, it'll not mean much. Just a stepping stone.
For Armagh fans it'll mean everything and I understand that. Mark my words, the Tyronnies on here will be gracious in victory and move on immediately; the Armagh wans will be emoticoning all over the show, even TYP.
It's Thursday, so that means it's team sheet day. What's the views?
I can see only one change with Swift coming in for Carlin. Perhaps S Cav may move to FF in place of Coney with Hub coming into MF. Although I hope Kyle gets another start, a real confidence player and another run out could bring him on in leaps and bounds.
Anyone hear how Enda McGinley is motoring these days?
Armagh team will look something like this:
1 Paul Hearty
2 Andy Mallon
3 Brendan Donaghy
4 Paul Duffy
5 Aaron Kernan
6 Kevin Dyas
7 Finian Moriarity
8 James Lavery
9 Charlie Vernon
10 Tony Kernan
11 Stevie Mc Donnell
12 Billy Joe Padden
13 Jamie Clarke
14 Malachy Mackin
15 Micael O Rourke
They may not all play in them positions but i dont think them players will be far away
There's talk that this will be pretty close to a sell out
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 21, 2011, 03:58:43 PM
Anyone hear how Enda McGinley is motoring these days?
I think he's driving a Golf.
Where would you play him?
FF perhaps.
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 21, 2011, 04:09:48 PM
There's talk that this will be pretty close to a sell out
I would imagine so, there was 6500 in Aughrim last week, there will be no bother getting 5000 in omagh
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 21, 2011, 04:12:35 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 21, 2011, 04:09:48 PM
There's talk that this will be pretty close to a sell out
I would imagine so, there was 6500 in Aughrim last week, there will be no bother getting 5000 in omagh
Aye, but 5000 is only the stand. The other 13000 might have been a bit harder to shift.
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on July 21, 2011, 02:48:50 PM
Ticket Allocation!
Correct the following if i'm wrong:
there are 5,000 seats in the healy park stand.
therefore each county could expect to recieve 2,000 tickets each - leaving county teams family, county board members etc, club tyronies with no clubs with the remaining 1,000.
my calculating is approx 50 clubs in tyrone = 40 seats per club?
NOW if this is all correct how come when my club rang to order a fairly reasonable 29 seated tickets they were told they would be lucky to get 20?
Does the amount just get divided by the number of clubs or does it depend on the size of the club? Plus I doubt 1000 would cover the list you named.
It's hard to take the Thursday team sheets seriously now. Last time Tyrone changed nearly half of it!
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 21, 2011, 04:16:09 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 21, 2011, 04:12:35 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 21, 2011, 04:09:48 PM
There's talk that this will be pretty close to a sell out
I would imagine so, there was 6500 in Aughrim last week, there will be no bother getting 5000 in omagh
Aye, but 5000 is only the stand. The other 13000 might have been a bit harder to shift.
ive lost the plot ty86, for some feckin reason something was telling me Augrim and Omagh were of similar size,
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2011, 04:24:48 PM
It's hard to take the Thursday team sheets seriously now. Last time Tyrone changed nearly half of it!
Take a stab in the dark there ON
When armagh played tyrone in the past, the tyrone forward line always had one player that would make the difference, hence tyrone edged the tight battles.
Think PTG in 2003, SON in 2005 and 2009.
When Tyrone won the AI in 2008, Cavanagh was at Full Forward and was in the form of his life.
They dont seem to have a game-winner (like those mentioned above) in the forward line at the moment.
I feel that armagh could edge a tight battle as they should be hungrier.
any word on how bad stephen o neills hamstring injury is or how long he,s out for.massive loss
Can you imagine the blowing of the horns from the returning Armagh faithful as they go through Moy? For that reason I expect Sean Cav to have a clinker and send them home down the M1.
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 21, 2011, 04:06:27 PM
Armagh team will look something like this:
1 Paul Hearty
2 Andy Mallon
3 Brendan Donaghy
4 Paul Duffy
5 Aaron Kernan
6 Kevin Dyas
7 Finian Moriarity
8 James Lavery
9 Charlie Vernon
10 Tony Kernan
11 Stevie Mc Donnell
12 Billy Joe Padden
13 Jamie Clarke
14 Malachy Mackin
15 Micael O Rourke
They may not all play in them positions but i dont think them players will be far away
I'd imagine a place will be found for Hanratty. Padden on a Tyrone wing back is not an appealing prospect.
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2011, 04:24:48 PM
It's hard to take the Thursday team sheets seriously now. Last time Tyrone changed nearly half of it!
I don't think many do. Their only purpose is to put numbers against names so that the spectators know who's who on the day. They're not a serious attempt at naming the starting line-up anymore. Many managers/selectors don't have their teams picked by Thursday, but the programmes have to be printed, so they just give them a list of names and numbers - typically the same as the last game. The team might be picked on the Saturday or on the bus and the starting fifteen is called out on the PA.
It's be much handier if every team just announced squad numbers for the year.
Quote from: AFS on July 21, 2011, 04:43:24 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 21, 2011, 04:06:27 PM
Armagh team will look something like this:
1 Paul Hearty
2 Andy Mallon
3 Brendan Donaghy
4 Paul Duffy
5 Aaron Kernan
6 Kevin Dyas
7 Finian Moriarity
8 James Lavery
9 Charlie Vernon
10 Tony Kernan
11 Stevie Mc Donnell
12 Billy Joe Padden
13 Jamie Clarke
14 Malachy Mackin
15 Micael O Rourke
They may not all play in them positions but i dont think them players will be far away
I'd imagine a place will be found for Hanratty. Padden on a Tyrone wing back is not an appealing prospect.
Def not, but that is why i said that they may not play in them positions
As I said earlier in the thread, I think Armagh and Tyrone are close in terms of players but this match will be won and lost on the line. Armagh have been poor there all year whilst Tyrone have in Mickey Harte one of the all time greats. As a result I fully expect Tyrone to win a canter. Hope I'm wrong though.
Tyrone have strength and depth throughout the panel, the 15 that starts are under pressure as they have 4-5 men as good as them on the bench. they have various options in nearly every position on the field, from Goal keep to no 15, whereas the Armagh team sort picks itself due to the lack of quality on the bench and injuries,
Quote from: David McKeown on July 21, 2011, 04:57:04 PM
As I said earlier in the thread, I think Armagh and Tyrone are close in terms of players but this match will be won and lost on the line. Armagh have been poor there all year whilst Tyrone have in Mickey Harte one of the all time greats. As a result I fully expect Tyrone to win a canter. Hope I'm wrong though.
Would agree with that.
I seen in the Armagh Observer yesterday that Watters in Blaney are showing the Match live,
Is this from the internet or something? or how if it aint on the box?
I am desperate to see it but i am in belfast on a stag night,
Tyrone are averaging 16pts a game only ultra defensive Donegal held them below that total. In Clarke,McDonnell Armagh have two forwards that will do damage to the Tyrone back line but Armagh fans must be worried how much they are conceding at the back.
Tyrone by 2-4pts i reckon.
Quote from: ross4life on July 21, 2011, 05:25:55 PM
Tyrone are averaging 16pts a game only ultra defensive Donegal held them below that total. In Clarke,McDonnell Armagh have two forwards that will do damage to the Tyrone back line but Armagh fans must be worried how much they are conceding at the back.
Tyrone by 2-4pts i reckon.
Which team do the Rossies want to win this game?
Quote from: Rois on July 21, 2011, 05:37:56 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 21, 2011, 05:25:55 PM
Tyrone are averaging 16pts a game only ultra defensive Donegal held them below that total. In Clarke,McDonnell Armagh have two forwards that will do damage to the Tyrone back line but Armagh fans must be worried how much they are conceding at the back.
Tyrone by 2-4pts i reckon.
Which team do the Rossies want to win this game?
Armagh but TBH i can't see us beating either as both are better than Mayo.
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 21, 2011, 04:26:10 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2011, 04:24:48 PM
It's hard to take the Thursday team sheets seriously now. Last time Tyrone changed nearly half of it!
Take a stab in the dark there ON
Same as last. (started)
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 21, 2011, 03:20:20 PM
Think it could be closer than some are saying, Tyrone are obviously clear favourites but there can't be a lot of harmony in the squad with Mugsy coming and going as he pleases.
With the form of Mackin, MOR and Jamie Clarke I wouldn't rule Armagh out completely...
hope he doesn't take out his anger at cookstown's poor form out on us.. ;)
Quote from: AFS on July 21, 2011, 04:43:24 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 21, 2011, 04:06:27 PM
Armagh team will look something like this:
1 Paul Hearty
2 Andy Mallon
3 Brendan Donaghy
4 Paul Duffy
5 Aaron Kernan
6 Kevin Dyas
7 Finian Moriarity
8 James Lavery
9 Charlie Vernon
10 Tony Kernan
11 Stevie Mc Donnell
12 Billy Joe Padden
13 Jamie Clarke
14 Malachy Mackin
15 Micael O Rourke
They may not all play in them positions but i dont think them players will be far away
I'd imagine a place will be found for Hanratty. Padden on a Tyrone wing back is not an appealing prospect.
Agree AFS. Hanratty started the last day and did well again. Brings a physicality and workrate we could certainly do with Saturday, right type of man for a derby, if can ensure he used controlled aggression. Imagine that will be the team that starts. 2 hard working whf to do the defensive bit against tyrones halfbacks. Lavery may struggle in the middle v tyrones mobility, though did well last 15 last week. I am a huge ball duffy fan but he doesnt look fit to me at min, hopefully last weeks run out do him the world of good. If mckeever out, Dyas for me will have to try and influence the game more from chb than he did last week. Talented player though we will need more from him if we are to leave omagh still in championship.
All Ireland Qualifier Rd 3
Tyrone v Armagh
1 Pascal McConnell – An Baile Nua
2 Martin Swift – Coill an Chlochair
3 Joe McMahon – An Omaigh
4 Ryan McMenamin – An Droim Mhór
5 Sean O'Neill – An Droim Mhór
6 Conor Gormley – An Charraig Mhór
7 Philip Jordan – An Mhaigh
8 Kevin Hughes – Cill Íseal
9 Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
10 Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
11 Brian McGuigan – Ard Bó
12 Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
13 Tommy McGuigan – Ard Bó
14 Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
15 Kyle Coney – Ard Bó
16 John Devine – Aireagal Chiaráin
17 Dermot Carlin – Coill an Chlochair
18 Aidan Cassidy – Eochar
19 Brian Dooher – Clann na nGael
20 Davy Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
21 Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mhór
22 Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
23 Enda McGinley – Aireagal Chiaráin
24 Niall McKenna – Domhnach Mór
25 Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
26 Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór
27 Stephen McNally – Oileán a'Ghuail
28 Patrick McNiece – Oileán a'Ghuail
29 Owen Mulligan – An Chorra Chriochach
30 Martin Penrose – Achadh Uí Aráin
31 Jonathan Curran – Oileán a'Ghuail
32 PJ Quinn – Baile na Móna
Injured
Stephen O'Neill- Clann na nGael
Damian McCaul- Domhnach Mór
Bainisteoir: Micheál Ó hAirt
i doubt if thats the team surely cassidy and justy will start
That's the team on team talk magazine.
Wonder is Justy still a bit injured?
I'm speechless......
That Tyrone bench is good enough to beat most teams.
I definitely read somewhere today, I'm not entirely sure where, that Justy and Cassidy missed training on Tuesday night. There's not a hope in hell that Cassidy was dropped on the basis of form. His fielding the last time out was the best I've ever seen from a Tyrone midfielder. There could be changes before throw in.
Are we any the wiser to who will actually take the field?
Cassidy, Justy and Penrose would all have been in most people's starting 15 unless injured off course.
I do hope Tommy starts though. I think he can do damage.
What do ye applejacks think?
If that team starts it is Mickey's bravest selection yet and a direct result of the poor finishing witnessed in big games over the last 24 months. Take McGuigan out of that forward division and my goodness, changed utterly.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 21, 2011, 08:57:01 PM
That Tyrone bench is good enough to beat most teams.
Was.
Great to have the option now of bringing on Mugsy, Justin, Penrose, Dooher, Harte if they don't start.
Interesting... Mickey's having faith in a lot of the new guys this time around. It would be some confidence boost for them, if they can knock Armagh out.
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2011, 09:28:21 PM
If that team starts it is Mickey's bravest selection yet and a direct result of the poor finishing witnessed in big games over the last 24 months. Take McGuigan out of that forward division and my goodness, changed utterly.
Don't think it's that brave, Mickey Harte has the benefit of calling upon All Ireland Minor winners in Mark Donnelly,Kyle Coney etc.
Mark Donnelly didn't win a minor AI
Will be very surprised if that's the starting 15. Still, no better man than Mickey to see it through.
No All Ireland for Donnelly yet, but he has a pocket full of Tyrone championship medals ;D
He'd do well to win a minor All Ireland at this stage! Fair play to him, he deserves his chance.
Can't believe Mckenna didn't get a start.
It's hard to get Mickey to change his ways
Quote from: laceer on July 21, 2011, 10:06:48 PM
He'd do well to win a minor All Ireland at this stage! Fair play to him, he deserves his chance.
True, good job i said an All Ireland.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 21, 2011, 10:00:39 PM
Will be very surprised if that's the starting 15. Still, no better man than Mickey to see it through.
I think it will be the starting 15, don't see the wisdom in naming a radically changed side then not go with it. Would have made more sense to name same team from last week and change it.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 21, 2011, 10:08:49 PM
Can't believe Mckenna didn't get a start.
It's hard to get Mickey to change his ways
thats a solid defence. where would you have played mckenna fuzz ?
Got him mixed up with Matthew Donnelly. Kyle Coney definitely a Minor winner.
Quote from: ross4life on July 21, 2011, 10:16:20 PM
Got him mixed up with Matthew Donnelly. Kyle Coney definitely a Minor winner.
They're all minor winners except Mark Donnelly.
any sign of the Armagh 15 yet ?
I was trying to be a smart ass abble.
If Harte is making that many changes he might as well given all the new lads a go. Haha
My biggest surprise is starting Sean O'Neill at 5. Could this be the sign of things to come.
Any word on Justin Omagh_Gael?
Sean O'Neill worries me slightly in terms of his defensive duties but sure Davy wasn't an expert at that discipline either.
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2011, 10:27:19 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 21, 2011, 10:16:20 PM
Got him mixed up with Matthew Donnelly. Kyle Coney definitely a Minor winner.
They're all minor winners except Mark Donnelly.
No doubt the older lads are minor winners from the 98,01 sides but i was talking about the new additions to the side this year.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 21, 2011, 10:28:18 PM
I was trying to be a smart ass abble.
If Harte is making that many changes he might as well given all the new lads a go. Haha
My biggest surprise is starting Sean O'Neill at 5. Could this be the sign of things to come.
Any word on Justin Omagh_Gael?
just hope he doesnt do a mulligan with all that sitting around on the bench
kind of glad to see joe mc mahon well back down the field to be honest
v susrprised to see cassidy out, that's madness i'd have thought. but maybe harte realises they dont have too much to worry about us in that dept.
Quote from: ross4life on July 21, 2011, 10:37:08 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2011, 10:27:19 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 21, 2011, 10:16:20 PM
Got him mixed up with Matthew Donnelly. Kyle Coney definitely a Minor winner.
They're all minor winners except Mark Donnelly.
No doubt the older lads are minor winners from the 98,01 sides but i was talking about the new additions to the side this year.
Did Mark Donnelly not win ai minor in 01?
No
i can confirm that cassidys hamstring has been givin problems since the longford game and wasnt deemed fit enuf to start...has had a bad run with injuries over the years...
Thanks for that bigfrank; that 15 is looking more and more likely to start by the minute.
Armagh V Tyrone 23rd July 2011 Omagh
1. Paul Hearty Crossmaglen
2. Andy Mallon Pearse Og
3. Brendan Donaghy Clonmore
4. Paul Duffy Pearse Og
5. Aaron Kernan Crossmaglen
6. Kevin Dyas Dromintee
7. Finnian Moriarity Wolfe Tones
8. James Lavery Maghery
9. Charlie Vernon Armagh Harps
10 Johnny Hanratty Crossmaglen
11 Billy Joe Padden Carrickcruppin
12. Malachy Mackin St. Patrick's
13. Micheal O'Rourke Dromintee
14. Steven McDonnell Killeavy
15. Jamie Clarke Crossmaglen
16. Philip McEvoy Dromintee
17. Tony Kernan Crossmaglen
18. Colm Watters Cullaville
19. Gavin McParland Ballymacnab
20. John Murtagh Parnells
21. Brian Mallon Tir Na nOg
22. Vincent Martin Dromintee
23. Caolan Rafferty Granemore
24. Rory Grugan Ballymacnab
25. Declan McKenna Armagh Harps
McKeever is a huge miss.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 21, 2011, 11:05:35 PM
Armagh V Tyrone 23rd July 2011 Omagh
1. Paul Hearty Crossmaglen
2. Andy Mallon Pearse Og
3. Brendan Donaghy Clonmore
4. Paul Duffy Pearse Og
5. Aaron Kernan Crossmaglen
6. Kevin Dyas Dromintee
7. Finnian Moriarity Wolfe Tones
8. James Lavery Maghery
9. Charlie Vernon Armagh Harps
10 Johnny Hanratty Crossmaglen
11 Billy Joe Padden Carrickcruppin
12. Malachy Mackin St. Patrick's
13. Micheal O'Rourke Dromintee
14. Steven McDonnell Killeavy
15. Jamie Clarke Crossmaglen
16. Philip McEvoy Dromintee
17. Tony Kernan Crossmaglen
18. Colm Watters Cullaville
19. Gavin McParland Ballymacnab
20. John Murtagh Parnells
21. Brian Mallon Tir Na nOg
22. Vincent Martin Dromintee
23. Caolan Rafferty Granemore
24. Rory Grugan Ballymacnab
25. Declan McKenna Armagh Harps
McKeever is a huge miss.
Did you lift that from Orchard County? A word of warning if so, the boy that posted that team posted an incorrect one before the last match.
Quote from: AFS on July 21, 2011, 11:09:19 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 21, 2011, 11:05:35 PM
Armagh V Tyrone 23rd July 2011 Omagh
1. Paul Hearty Crossmaglen
2. Andy Mallon Pearse Og
3. Brendan Donaghy Clonmore
4. Paul Duffy Pearse Og
5. Aaron Kernan Crossmaglen
6. Kevin Dyas Dromintee
7. Finnian Moriarity Wolfe Tones
8. James Lavery Maghery
9. Charlie Vernon Armagh Harps
10 Johnny Hanratty Crossmaglen
11 Billy Joe Padden Carrickcruppin
12. Malachy Mackin St. Patrick’s
13. Micheal O’Rourke Dromintee
14. Steven McDonnell Killeavy
15. Jamie Clarke Crossmaglen
16. Philip McEvoy Dromintee
17. Tony Kernan Crossmaglen
18. Colm Watters Cullaville
19. Gavin McParland Ballymacnab
20. John Murtagh Parnells
21. Brian Mallon Tir Na nOg
22. Vincent Martin Dromintee
23. Caolan Rafferty Granemore
24. Rory Grugan Ballymacnab
25. Declan McKenna Armagh Harps
McKeever is a huge miss.
Did you lift that from Orchard County? A word of warning if so, the boy that posted that team posted an incorrect one before the last match.
Aye i did, thought it was the team. Il take it down if indeed it is wrong.
Leave it up sure, I don't think an official team was named before the last game so this could be the best we get.
It's odd, to me, that McKeever is seen as a big loss. I think that he has always been a liability in terms of being CHB against good teams. He might be a good leader (must be - wasn't he captain when Armagh won the U21s?) but always seemed to struggle against good speedy players.
Pascal McConnell
Martin Swift / Jamie Clarke Joe Mc Mahon / Stevie Mc Donnell Ryan Mc Menamin / Micheal O'Rourke
Sean O'Neill / Malachy Mackin Conor Gormley / Billy Joe Padden Philip Jordan / Johnny Hanratty
Kevin Hughes / Charlie Vernon James Lavery / Sean Cavanagh
Colm Cavanagh / Finnian Moriarity Brian McGuigan / Kevin Dyas Peter Harte / Aaron Kernan
Tommy Mc Guigan / Paul Duffy Mark Donnelly / Brendan Donaghy Kyle Coney / Andy Mallon
Paul Hearty *
* Projected pair-offs.
Jamie Clarke's the man to watch here. Tyrone are well capable of handling that Armagh forward unit apart from Clarke. Ricey, Joe, Gormley or Swift on him?
Agreed. I'd be somewhat surprised to see Stevie Mc at FF (as opposed to CHF), especially with Big Joe in there.
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2011, 11:23:32 PM
It's odd, to me, that McKeever is seen as a big loss. I think that he has always been a liability in terms of being CHB against good teams. He might be a good leader (must be - wasn't he captain when Armagh won the U21s?) but always seemed to struggle against good speedy players.
McKeever is very like McGeeney. McGeeney would've struggled marking the odd player too, but it was his presence, positional play, huge physicality and drive out of defence that made him so integral. McKeever is every bit as important to Armagh now as McGeeney was then.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 21, 2011, 11:34:02 PM
Agreed. I'd be somewhat surprised to see Stevie Mc at FF (as opposed to CHF), especially with Big Joe in there.
Yeah i thought McDonnell was No11 now.
QuoteCould be an absolute master stroke changing up his tactics and keeping his opponents guessing as he's reinventing his mangement style!
Why would Harte bother with managerial genius against the present Armagh setup. It isn't 2005, you know.
If players personal lives start appearing then bans will start, common sense.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 22, 2011, 12:03:12 AM
QuoteCould be an absolute master stroke changing up his tactics and keeping his opponents guessing as he's reinventing his mangement style!
Why would Harte bother with managerial genius against the present Armagh setup. It isn't 2005, you know.
I don't think he can switch off like that, it's not in the DNA of the man.
Apparently the game will be streamed online, here:
http://www.footbo.com/Blogs/73063-watch_Tyrone_vs_Armagh_live_online_streaming (http://www.footbo.com/Blogs/73063-watch_Tyrone_vs_Armagh_live_online_streaming)
Quote from: ziggysego on July 22, 2011, 01:03:30 AM
Apparently the game will be streamed online, here:
http://www.footbo.com/Blogs/73063-watch_Tyrone_vs_Armagh_live_online_streaming (http://www.footbo.com/Blogs/73063-watch_Tyrone_vs_Armagh_live_online_streaming)
The GAA passed a motion last week which banned the streaming of games while other games were on, so I'd doubt it'll be streamed.
Haven't heard anything re Justin being injured Fuzzman but he mustn't be right if he's not starting.
I for one hope McKeever isn't playing. Think he's a huge player for Armagh and is a sticky hard marking player who inspires others around him. Tyrone's forward line will have an easier night if he isn't breathing down their necks.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 21, 2011, 11:24:36 PM
Pascal McConnell
Martin Swift / Jamie Clarke Joe Mc Mahon / Stevie Mc Donnell Ryan Mc Menamin / Micheal O'Rourke
Sean O'Neill / Malachy Mackin Conor Gormley / Billy Joe Padden Philip Jordan / Johnny Hanratty
Kevin Hughes / Charlie Vernon James Lavery / Sean Cavanagh
Colm Cavanagh / Finnian Moriarity Brian McGuigan / Kevin Dyas Peter Harte / Aaron Kernan
Tommy Mc Guigan / Paul Duffy Mark Donnelly / Brendan Donaghy Kyle Coney / Andy Mallon
Paul Hearty *
* Projected pair-offs.
If it works out like this then Tyrone will have to switch the Jamie Clarke marker. Clarke would destroy Swift. However given the other match-ups, Armagh may struggle to get the ball to Clarke to do any damage.
Personally I think BJP should be pushed into centre forward. He is no No.14 i know that but he has decent hands, and most importantly is really hard working. I think he could cause problems fro McMahon by movement and just being a general nuisance. That would allow Stevie to drop to CHF where he seemed to do okay in the last game (from reports, obviously I didn't see the game).
Tyrone forward line does not look formidable and is long way from the days of O'Neill, Canavan, Mulligan.
I'm not as certain now as I was that Tyrone will win, but I'd still make them slight favorites
It's going to be WWIII in & around midfield!!
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2011, 10:34:08 PM
Sean O'Neill worries me slightly in terms of his defensive duties but sure Davy wasn't an expert at that discipline either.
Same here but I think he deserves his chance. This is the perfect time to do it as Armaghs half forwards would not be the most attack minded.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 22, 2011, 01:11:17 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 22, 2011, 01:03:30 AM
Apparently the game will be streamed online, here:
http://www.footbo.com/Blogs/73063-watch_Tyrone_vs_Armagh_live_online_streaming (http://www.footbo.com/Blogs/73063-watch_Tyrone_vs_Armagh_live_online_streaming)
The GAA passed a motion last week which banned the streaming of games while other games were on, so I'd doubt it'll be streamed.
There are no other games on at that time, derry v Kildare on at 4 and down v cork on @ 6
swift/clark - when swifty was 18 he marked wee peter in a club game. peter took one score off him. clark's a class act but still not quite peter
Quote from: SuperHo on July 22, 2011, 11:13:56 AM
swift/clark - when swifty was 18 he marked wee peter in a club game. peter took one score off him. clark's a class act but still not quite peter
What age was wee Peter?
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 22, 2011, 07:54:48 AM
If it works out like this then Tyrone will have to switch the Jamie Clarke marker. Clarke would destroy Swift...
I wouldn't be so sure about that at all - Swift did well in the Donegal game, that last-second (decisive) fumble apart, and he's becoming more comfortable in the full-back line at county level with each game.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 22, 2011, 11:33:22 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 22, 2011, 07:54:48 AM
If it works out like this then Tyrone will have to switch the Jamie Clarke marker. Clarke would destroy Swift...
I wouldn't be so sure about that at all - Swift did well in the Donegal game, that last-second (decisive) fumble apart, and he's becoming more comfortable in the full-back line at county level with each game.
It's all about opinions. I have mine, it doesn't mean its correct but well that's my opinion. Clarke impresses me very much as possibly the best forward right now in Ulster. Swift has never impressed me as a marker. Good all round footballer maybe but not a marker. So I can't see him containing Clarke. By the way in the game where 18 year old Swift marked "Wee Peter", just how good did his team play at getting the ball to Peter that day? Or how many did Peter set up?
One good day in a club match does not make you a county player
Do Armagh play their 3 man FF line these days or do they try to take a man out and leave more space for JC.
If McKeever doesn't play I think it could really be a big loss to Armagh. He holds that defence together very well and even though I can't stand the site of the man every since the Ulster final 2005, I have to say he's become a vital player for Donegal. Not quite McGeeney status just yet.
I think it will suit Tyrone if Stevie McD comes out the field.
I hope just because its a 7pm throw in that there won't be loads of drunken Armagh & Tyrone hoodlums out to stir up trouble before hand. I know we still have our fair share of them.
Does red sean's selection signal the end for Davy? I doubt it, but it would appear he has now dropped down the pecking order in Harte's thinking for what remains of the 2011 championship.
Can't wait for the game. Most admit I'm looking forward to it more than probably any of the Ulster Championship games in recent years. There's something special about a knockout winner takes all derby, especially with the relative recent history between the 2 counties. The nerves of knowing this could be your counties last championship game for ten months and the thought of watching your neighbours celebrate after the game adds to the buildup. A close to full Omagh on a Saturday night should also lead to a good atmosphere.
I've no doubt Tyrone can win this game. Just hope they perform on the night. Would have loved to have had a fit Justy and Cassidy available but there are still decent options. Happy with the defence and have no problems with Swift or O'Neill starting. Some concerns over the forward line. Coney has been talked about for a few years and this is his time to stand up and prove he's the man at this level. I don't think tomorrows forward line is good enough to win the All Ireland but a few changes if we get through could make it a lot stronger.
Would be happier if our midfield/forward line looked like this:
Cassidy
Hughes
C Cavanagh
B McGuigan
Justy
Harte
Cavanagh
Mugsy/O'Neill
But would be great to see Donnelly and Coney proving themselves as real options and give Harte plenty of headaches going forward.
I have a feeling Mickey will be keeping his McMahon brothers in the heart of the defence for the years to come.
I'm heading up to Letterkenny this evening so wont be on the board from this evening.
I hope its a nice evening for football and there isn't any nasty stuff or controversy.
I think Tyrone will have too much for Armagh this time round, especially if they don't have McKeever playing. If we can keep young Clarke and SmcD quiet then we should get another Sat out.
I'm happy with this selection. Mickey's giving the younger players a chance to come through and get them blooded. I believed before we could beat Armagh and with this team, imagine the confidence it will give them going into the Quarter-Finals, if they beat Roscommon.
I had an uneasy feeling in my gut before the donegal game and I feel similarly anxious going into battle against the mhaca. They have momentum and will relish getting stuck into us. I just hope we get over the line tomorrow night regardless of the display. I would prefer to see Cassidy, Justy and Penfold all starting but players need to be 100% and that mustn't be the case. Roll on tomorrow night and copious amounts of creamy stout post match....
Know what u mean Mr N, I'm worried about the orange men as well. Really hope tyrone come through it but think it will be a lot tougher than some people are suggesting. Such a shame for Cassidy, really thought this would be his year to shine.
What's the ticket situation for this game? Is it sold out?
Thinking of heading to Omagh after all. Could you pick a few up on the night.
Quote from: ExiledGael on July 22, 2011, 08:53:20 PM
What's the ticket situation for this game? Is it sold out?
Thinking of heading to Omagh after all. Could you pick a few up on the night.
Ticket vans selling tickets for terrace outside the ground-definitely not sold out-you won't have any bother getting a ticket
Does anyone know if this is a scam or real?
Watch Tyrone v Armagh live stream Gaa Football All Ireland Senior Championship 2011 Qualifier Round 3 Game on tv 23 July
http://live-gaa-online.blogspot.com/2011/07/tyrone-v-armagh-live-gaa-football.html
1. Hearty
2. Mallon
3. Donaghy
4. Dyas
5. Kernan
6. McKeever
7. Duffy
8. Toner
9. Lavery
10. Vernon
11. McDonnell
12. Mackin
13. Jamie
14. Padden
15. O'Rourke
Thats the team that will start tomorrow
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 22, 2011, 09:19:40 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 22, 2011, 01:11:17 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 22, 2011, 01:03:30 AM
Apparently the game will be streamed online, here:
http://www.footbo.com/Blogs/73063-watch_Tyrone_vs_Armagh_live_online_streaming (http://www.footbo.com/Blogs/73063-watch_Tyrone_vs_Armagh_live_online_streaming)
The GAA passed a motion last week which banned the streaming of games while other games were on, so I'd doubt it'll be streamed.
There are no other games on at that time, derry v Kildare on at 4 and down v cork on @ 6
So Down/ Cork will be on while the Tyrone game's on then.
Looking forward to this game more than any other in a long time. Decent weather, a derby, knock out football, full house! Lovely.
Quote from: PatDaly on July 22, 2011, 09:41:38 PM
Does anyone know if this is a scam or real?
Watch Tyrone v Armagh live stream Gaa Football All Ireland Senior Championship 2011 Qualifier Round 3 Game on tv 23 July
http://live-gaa-online.blogspot.com/2011/07/tyrone-v-armagh-live-gaa-football.html
I wouldn't trust it. You would have heard about it if any other party had secured the rights to broadcast games online. There's always bogus blog pages advertising games, that link to nowhere.
Strangely calm about this game compared to previous meetings. If we lose, we lose - not good enough to defeat Armagh at home means you're not really All-Ireland challengers.
I still maintain this game will mean more to Armagh fans (to win). They've a burning desire to defeat (and end many of the careers of) this Tyrone outfit.
Old friends in Ulster are ready to begin a new chapter
GAVIN CUMMISKEY on the rivalry between Tyrone and Armagh that helped define a modern era in football
STEVIE McDONNELL remembers the welcome, or lack thereof, provided up at Healy Park back in March, 2003. Armagh seemed invincible, unbeaten for 11 months, but Tyrone figured them out.
"No, it wasn't too friendly up there on that occasion," smiles the Orchard County assassin. The Irish Times writer Keith Duggan, in his match report, described them as scrapping pups on that dirty spring afternoon. Without much pause, Ricey McMenamin was up the back of McDonnell. Chirping and dragging away.
"They were the first team that didn't give us a standing ovation when we ran out onto the pitch. It will be no different next Saturday night. Tyrone are going to be pumped up for this match. It is a game we both look forward to. We will see where we are as a team but we'll need to put in a good performance."
To even survive, he could have added. More of the same can be expected from McMenamin this evening – a man who has done exceptionally well containing one of the most lethal finishers in modern times.
But McDonnell knows all about this meeting of football enclaves that are probably situated too close for comfort. Sure, it is Tyrone on their own patch. A local Ulster feud that between 2003 and 2005 captivated, no dominated, the complete Irish sporting landscape.
Armagh and Tyrone. It was the best of times for both counties but some – begrudgers as they are fondly called up North – felt it was the worst of times. But it was their time. Armagh and Tyrone taking turns to beat Kerry so they could get at Sam.
Something had to give. Armagh, ultimately, were forced to make way.
"That's where the rivalry was in 2003 and the three games in 2005," remembers Aaron Kernan, whose father Joe was a huge part of it as Armagh manager. Aaron made it into the Armagh side in 2005, just in time to experience it all before Tyrone moved out of sight. And he can admit that.
"If you're being honest, I know we have stepped back from them days when we were competing in All-Ireland semi-finals and finals."
As a result, someone like Stevie McDonnell must seem like a mythical creature from another era to his youngest team-mates. And in many ways he is. Armagh, from the breakthrough Ulster title in 1999 until Kerry utterly broke them in the 2006 All-Ireland quarter-final, had an invincible aura about them.
Well, unless the kryptonite-laden Red Hand jerseys shared a field with them.
Some Armagh folk may still feel bitter about how it all went. They climbed out of Ulster in '99 only to be sent home by the dying kick of the Meath dynasty. In 2000 it was the brilliance of Maurice Fitzgerald that denied them a tilt at Sam Maguire before Galway became the third All-Ireland champions in three years to beat them.
They came again in 2002. Beating Dublin and Kerry down the home straight made it seem even more like the dawn of a new superpower in Gaelic football.
McDonnell was the artisan in a team of muscular enforcers who could also play football when the moment demanded. They were fitness freaks as well, led by Kieran McGeeney, the only man in Irish sport comparable to Roy Keane for obsessiveness.
Then Tyrone, surfing along beside them, spoiled everything. More accurately, Mickey Harte arrived with a golden generation of his own, schooled since the minor grade.
The neighbours to the north-west studied Armagh's ways, replicated the best bits, and then developed a superior footballing philosophy. It was a style that obliterated Dublin and overran Kerry (so good that Joe Kernan's assistant manager during this time, Paul Grimley, recently compared McGeeney's current Kildare side to Harte's Tyrone).
Armagh, after the 2005 All-Ireland semi-final, had to just sit and take it. Seven Ulster titles from 1999-2008 represent an era of dominance but their solitary All-Ireland tells us so much more.
Saturday provides an opportunity to see where Armagh figure in the current pecking order.
"Without doubt," says McDonnell. "Tyrone are definitely still a top three or four team in the country. If you get a result in Omagh you will know you have certainly earned it. It is another tough place to go but it is a match we are looking forward to.
"We haven't played Tyrone since 2009 and on that occasion they beat us in Clones. We will be well up for this match. They will be too. Over the last 10 or 12 years we have had some ding-dong battles."
There are so many "what ifs" for Armagh people to ponder. What if Conor Gormley had not smothered McDonnell's shot late in the 2003 All-Ireland final? What if Fermanagh were subdued in that bizarre reversal of form in the 2004 All-Ireland quarter-final? What if McGeeney had remained on the pitch to the finish of the 2005 All-Ireland semi-final?
Tyrone remain perennial contenders. In contrast, McDonnell is all that remains from 2002. But he knows the new Armagh can ruin the aspirations of a Tyrone group, still littered with three-time All-Ireland winners, to have one more glorious September.
"They have won All-Irelands through the back-door system and they enjoy building up that momentum. Hopefully, on Saturday night, we can stop that momentum."
It wasn't too long ago when Armagh were the most feared team on this island. Can they be it again? "That's where we want to get back to," says Kernan. "You never know, get over next week and it could be the launching pad for that to happen."
Tyrone v Armagh 2000-2009
June 4th, 2000
Ulster quarter-final, Celtic Park: Armagh 0-12 Tyrone 0-8 – Outsiders presumed it was just another local Ulster feud, but this proved a scene setter for the coming decade of football. "Armagh forwards find their range in a physical affair," read The Irish Times headline. An injury to Peter Canavan (right) proved costly to Tyrone as Armagh went on to retain their provincial crown.
May 20th, 2001
Ulster quarter-final, Clones: Tyrone 1-14 Armagh 1-9 – Tyrone ended the neighbours' quest for a third successive Ulster title. Stephen O'Neill shone in his first All Star campaign while a fresh-faced Owen Mulligan pawed home the Tyrone goal in the first minute. They went on to capture the Anglo-Celt Cup.
May 19th, 2002
Ulster quarter-final, Clones: Armagh 1-12 Tyrone 1-12 – A late goal by teenager Seán Cavanagh, in his first championship outing, gave the league and provincial champions a second shot at Armagh, now under the watchful gaze of Crossmaglen's Joe Kernan.
May 26th, 2002
Ulster quarter-final replay, Clones: Armagh 2-13 Tyrone 0-16 – Yet again, an injury to Canavan proved detrimental to Tyrone's scoring return as goals from John McEntee and Barry Duffy sent Armagh down a road that saw them beat Fermanagh, Donegal, Sligo (who knocked out Tyrone), Dublin and finally Kerry over the next four months to win their first All-Ireland.
March 9th, 2003
NFL, Omagh: Tyrone 1-9 Armagh 0-10 – Armagh had not lost a match since April 14th, 2002. The Orchard County talk is already about the building of a football dynasty. Tyrone broke with tradition by refusing to give them a guard of honour onto the field. A typically feral contest, played amidst a gale-force wind, Mulligan's goal on 17 minutes essentially separated the teams. Afterwards, Mickey Harte planted the seeds of what was to come: "They had a team that was unbeaten in a long time and that run had to come to an end someday and why not us to be the team to do it?"
September 28th, 2003
All-Ireland final, Croke Park: Tyrone 0-12 Armagh 0-9 – For a split second, Stevie McDonnell looked certain to score a goal that would see Armagh retain the All-Ireland. Instead, Conor Gormley's heroic block, with just five minutes remaining, helped Tyrone copy their neighbours, 12 months on, by winning a first All-Ireland title. In an enthralling yet cynical match, Diarmuid Marsden's 57th-minute dismissal proved significant as did Harte's reintroduction of an injured Canavan.
July 10th, 2005
Ulster final, Croke Park: Armagh 2-8 Tyrone 0-14 – 60,186 attended the experimental switch of the Ulster final away from its traditional home in Clones. The rivalry demanded a national stage.
McDonnell's 69th-minute goal was followed quickly by a Paul McGrane point to force a draw.
July 23rd, 2005
Ulster final replay, Croke Park: Armagh 0-13 Tyrone 0-11 – One game too many in close proximity as the bitterness boiled over. It is a day Cork referee Michel Collins probably wishes to forget. Harte launched Peter Canavan into an already simmering atmosphere on 53 minutes. The Armagh boys immediately instigated a rumble, tossing Canavan about like a rag doll. Astoundingly, Collins showed Canavan a straight red and Ciarán McKeever a second yellow to even matters up. Five minutes later, Stephen O'Neill was also given a second yellow for a textbook shoulder on Andy Mallon. The errors overshadowed Armagh's success as weeks of committee room wrangling followed.
September 4th, 2005
All-Ireland semi-final, Croke Park: Tyrone 1-13 Armagh 1-12 – This proved the decisive meeting of this epic rivalry and 65,858 were lucky enough to be present. Of course, it fell to Canavan to kick the winning free from the left despite Mulligan being charged with that task all day. The image of former teacher and pupil smiling as Mulligan handed over the ball is part of the collective GAA memory bank. Tyrone beat Kerry 1-16 to 2-10 in the final.
May 31st, 2009
Ulster quarter-final, Clones: Tyrone 2-10 Armagh 1-10 – The rivalry returns to Ulster quarter-finals in Clones. Tyrone won a third Sam in 2008 while the Armagh team, as we knew it, disintegrated. A Conor Gormley goal and vital cameos from the McMahon brothers, Stephen O'Neill and Brian Dooher, saw them progress.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0723/1224301199703.html
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 22, 2011, 09:19:40 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 22, 2011, 01:11:17 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 22, 2011, 01:03:30 AM
Apparently the game will be streamed online, here:
http://www.footbo.com/Blogs/73063-watch_Tyrone_vs_Armagh_live_online_streaming (http://www.footbo.com/Blogs/73063-watch_Tyrone_vs_Armagh_live_online_streaming)
The GAA passed a motion last week which banned the streaming of games while other games were on, so I'd doubt it'll be streamed.
There are no other games on at that time, derry v Kildare on at 4 and down v cork on @ 6
How're they going to stream it live when it's not on TV?
I can imagine a good few Roscommon folk in Healy Park later on.
Packed house, knockout, derby, sun...what more could you want?
Quote from: tevez on July 22, 2011, 09:50:09 PM
1. Hearty
2. Mallon
3. Donaghy
4. Dyas
5. Kernan
6. McKeever
7. Duffy
8. Toner
9. Lavery
10. Vernon
11. McDonnell
12. Mackin
13. Jamie
14. Padden
15. O'Rourke
Thats the team that will start tomorrow
Some boost for Armagh if McKeever makes the start.
Quote from: AFS on July 21, 2011, 11:40:16 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2011, 11:23:32 PM
It's odd, to me, that McKeever is seen as a big loss. I think that he has always been a liability in terms of being CHB against good teams. He might be a good leader (must be - wasn't he captain when Armagh won the U21s?) but always seemed to struggle against good speedy players.
McKeever is very like McGeeney. McGeeney would've struggled marking the odd player too, but it was his presence, positional play, huge physicality and drive out of defence that made him so integral. McKeever is every bit as important to Armagh now as McGeeney was then.
If not the best player on the side in the traditional sense, he´s arguable our important albeit that, despite what some Armagh fans appear to think (misguided by one good match on Stephen O´Neill 6 years ago), he is not suited to man marking. His greatest asset is that he rarely loses the ball and makes a habit of regaining possession for his side. Ciaran adds a level of physicality that we sadly lack elsewhere in our back line. I´d go as far as to say that our slender hopes of victory tonight are dependent on his availability.
He's also hard as f**k.
Tyrone to hammer Armagh and POR will be hounded out on the back of it. Armagh will be competitive but will find it difficult to get quality ball into Clarke.
2-16 Tyrone Armagh 1-12
McKeever is Armagh's best player without a doubt TAC, I think your being modest about your clubmate. Clarke has the potential to become the best, but McKeever is currently the best.
Quote2-16 Tyrone Armagh 1-12
I don't think Tyrone will achieve such a high score, if only because Armagh might have learned from the Derry game and will tighten things up at the back. If Armagh score 1-12 then we have a chance.
Here's hoping.
What a day for it. Looking forward to what should be a great evening. Nervous but confident that the red hands can get a result. I think we'll storm into a lead, Armagh will claw us back and we'll nick it with a few scores at the end.
Tyrone 1-14 Armagh 2-09
I'm hoping that tonight is the night that Vernon, Dyas, Miceal O'Rourke and Jamie Clarke step out of the shadows of the 99-06 team and stamp their own authority on championship football. They are all well capable of doing so. There are few things in life that give me greater pleasure that beating Tyrone. If these guys fulfill their potential and Stevie and McKeever play well we can do it!!
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 22, 2011, 09:19:40 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 22, 2011, 01:11:17 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 22, 2011, 01:03:30 AM
Apparently the game will be streamed online, here:
http://www.footbo.com/Blogs/73063-watch_Tyrone_vs_Armagh_live_online_streaming (http://www.footbo.com/Blogs/73063-watch_Tyrone_vs_Armagh_live_online_streaming)
The GAA passed a motion last week which banned the streaming of games while other games were on, so I'd doubt it'll be streamed.
There are no other games on at that time, derry v Kildare on at 4 and down v cork on @ 6
wexford/Limerick are on at 7PM
setanta usa seem to be showing the match live online. u will need US
payment details .20 usd
Quote from: mackers on July 23, 2011, 03:09:38 PM
I'm hoping that tonight is the night that Vernon, Dyas, Miceal O'Rourke and Jamie Clarke step out of the shadows of the 99-06 team and stamp their own authority on championship football. They are all well capable of doing so. There are few things in life that give me greater pleasure that beating Tyrone. If these guys fulfill their potential and Stevie and McKeever play well we can do it!!
Bit of hoping and iffing there .
Why not add a couple of novenas and cross a few fingers while you're at it !
2 Burgers in me. Check
Each burger washed down with a Coors. Check
Ticket in back pocket. Check
Time to dander over, the crowd is starting to build.
C'mon Tyrone.
Gaffer.....I count one hopefully and one if......tosser..
l hope the game is as good as the weather
Is the wireless covering it?
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 23, 2011, 06:46:11 PM
Is the wireless covering it?
I would say q101.2 will cover it,normally do
Can't get it on the radio ???
http://www.q101west.fm/portal/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=156
2:2 10 minutes gone
2:3 Armagh
Jamie Clarke booked.
4:2 Armagh
4:3 Armagh
5:3 Armagh
6:3 Armagh
Low scoring game Tyrone missed two goals chances & Armagh one.
6:4 Armagh
6:6
Goal Tyrone
Sounds like a lucky goal keeper mistake? turning point of the match??
1:7 06 Tyrone.
Tyrone to go on and win now by 5 or 6
Inexcusable blunder by Hearty
Who will be credited with the goal??
Tyrone dominant but couldn't hit a barn door in first 25 mins, turned it round big time in last 10. On fire. Joe mcMahon scored goal, disposessed hearty and 1-2 with Petey Harte before dusting to net. BmcGuigab followed up with great point from play right on the short whistle.
3 early points for Armagh only 1 point game now.
How are amagh playing
1-10 to 0-9 Tyrone sound like they are the better team however kicking to many wides. Armagh not as wasteful.
Goal for Tyrone that should be it.
That's that then ... Tyrone 7 up
Listening from barcelona. Just tuned in for Tyrone´s second goal. Devestating.
Updates lads....
2-10 to 0-9
Brian Dooher on for Tommy McGuigan and Martin Penrose on for Kyle Coney
2-11 to 0-10 I'm not religious but i'm thinking i may need to go to mass tomoro.
Tyrone 2-11 Armagh 0-11 - about 10 mins left.
McDonnell missed a pen.
Armagh penalty kicked over the bar
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 23, 2011, 08:23:18 PM
Armagh penalty kicked over the bar
was he going for the goal or the point?
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on July 23, 2011, 08:26:36 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 23, 2011, 08:23:18 PM
Armagh penalty kicked over the bar
was he going for the goal or the point?
Sounded from Tyronie commentary that it was a deliberate attempt for a point but I find that hard to believe.
Tyrone 2-11 Armagh 0-13 - couple of mins left.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 23, 2011, 08:28:34 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on July 23, 2011, 08:26:36 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 23, 2011, 08:23:18 PM
Armagh penalty kicked over the bar
was he going for the goal or the point?
Sounded from Tyronie commentary that it was a deliberate attempt for a point but I find that hard to believe.
Thats what I thought I heard but he also said a point was a goal ::)
Well done Tyrone. A lot of wides but still a decent result.
Congratulations to Tyrone. Armagh are left with perhaps two years, if not only one, to take advantage of the ability to field Jamie and Stevie in the same side.
Tyrone backline still very strong despite all the talk about the old men. If the forwards can start hitting a bit of form they'll be hard to stop.
Six point win which could easily have been 16, such was the ease they cut through armagh defence and spurned half a dozen goal chances.
Quote from: under the bar on July 23, 2011, 08:38:33 PM
Six point win which could easily have been 16, such was the ease they cut through armagh defence and spurned half a dozen goal chances.
So Tyrone would need to drastically improve their finishing to beat the big teams?
Quote from: under the bar on July 23, 2011, 08:38:33 PM
Six point win which could easily have been 16, such was the ease they cut through armagh defence and spurned half a dozen goal chances.
From the radio it sounded like POG and Tony F could have scored 1-3 apiece against the D, so much for a blanket D.
Back to Big Joe D to get it done.
20pts v Longford & 19pts today Donegal have some defense to hold Tyrone to 9 points.
I lost my connection so sorry if anyone was depending on my updates. Well done to Tyrone. I hope you go on & do well. We showed well in parts but not consistent enough.
Quote from: David McKeown on July 23, 2011, 08:40:57 PM
Quote from: under the bar on July 23, 2011, 08:38:33 PM
Six point win which could easily have been 16, such was the ease they cut through armagh defence and spurned half a dozen goal chances.
So Tyrone would need to drastically improve their finishing to beat the big teams?
Absolutely right but then I think many of the big teams would consider Tyrone to be one of the big teams.
Just in the door. Great performance tonight but still need to improve our shooting. Ban hub from passing the 45 line.
Awesome display from Petey Harte, has followed up his Longford performance with an even better display tonight. It had everything, winning mountains of dirty ball round the middle, setting up and involved in at least 70% of scores and chipped in with 4 (I think) points himself. He can also really hold his own in the physical stakes and has wonderful vision, rarely looses possession. A real gem.
On any other night Joe mcMahon would have been MOTM. Such a reliable defender, has really safe hands and always uses the ball well. Plucked a sublime ball out of the sky in the second half that was worth the admission price alone.
Roll on the Rossies.
Deserved victory for Mickey Harte and his squad. I think they will get better again if getting past the rossies which they will be massive favourites to do. Harte, Colm Kavanagh, probably stood out for Tyrone most with the 2 mcguigans excellent in patches as well. For us McKeever, Stevie, Vernon emerged with credit. On reflection this stage was about as far as i expected us to get. As far as management changes go im sure there will be plenty of calls for a clear out.
Great that you got your money's worth with McKeever's hit ;DIt wasn't a total disaster for you then!!
Peter Harte was fantastic tonight,best game in a Tyrone shirt.Joe McMahon had a great game too.We should have beaten them by another5-6 points but we won't get too greedy.
Quote from: David McKeown on July 23, 2011, 08:40:57 PM
Quote from: under the bar on July 23, 2011, 08:38:33 PM
Six point win which could easily have been 16, such was the ease they cut through armagh defence and spurned half a dozen goal chances.
So Tyrone would need to drastically improve their finishing to beat the big teams?
Yep the ingredients looked to be there but they weren't clinical, played in bits and pieces, need to get that ruthlessness back. Get back to never losing possession.
Just in the door from the match. Some game, Peter Harte had a brilliant game, never looked as good. Mark Donnelly wasn't far behind him. Future's bright, with these two lads.
Tyrone missed three sinners for goals and a lot of wides. This would need to be sorted out for Roscommon, but they are beginning to look like that can go the distance. Still a bit behind Kildare, Cork and Kerry, but Tyrone are the masters, once they get to Croke Park.
On a personal note, I was delighted to meet TYP before the game.
Whenever the highlight of your day is seeing someone knocked on their hole, your expectations and aspirations for the day must have been quite low. But its OK, satisfaction will be at the toenails of your next bottle-Enjoy!
Well done Tyrone, keep the foot on their throat! We won't win the all-ireland but the bragging rights are secured for another 12 months and going by today's display won't be at threat for the forseeable years to come!!
Despite the at times erroneous passing and the spurred scoring chances, it was a fairly enjoyable game, with a great atmosphere. Big Joe is a mighty man.
Will be interested to see more of that incident tomorrow night where Tommy McGuigan appeared to get pummelled. Looked like a dirty enough one, someone said the radio ID'd McKeever. He was on the ground, got a dig anyway from what I seen. Surprisingly enough, McQuillan didn't seemed interested. But... willl just have to wait and see tomorrow whether there was anything to it. Matters little now.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 23, 2011, 09:20:26 PM
Just in the door. Great performance tonight but still need to improve our shooting. Ban hub from passing the 45 line.
Awesome display from Petey Harte, has followed up his Longford performance with an even better display tonight. It had everything, winning mountains of dirty ball round the middle, setting up and involved in at least 70% of scores and chipped in with 4 (I think) points himself. He can also really hold his own in the physical stakes and has wonderful vision, rarely looses possession. A real gem.
On any other night Joe mcMahon would have been MOTM. Such a reliable defender, has really safe hands and always uses the ball well. Plucked a sublime ball out of the sky in the second half that was worth the admission price alone.
Roll on the Rossies.
That catch from McMahon got some roar from the stand. Celebrated like it was a goal! As everyone said McMahon was superb, Peter Harte worked his b**ls off. I thought Mark Donnelly played very well too when he came into the half forward zones.
Besides those, Sean O'Neill had an excellent game, and I thought that outside McMahon, Marty Swift was the stand out performer. Was disapointed - in a way- with Jamie Clarke. He'd nothing to offer!
Tyrone missed some serious goal chances, when you consider Sean O'Neill's drive wide in the first half, McGuigan (I think it was) hitting the post in the first half, Hub's miss and I think there were a couple of other big chances in the second half.
Onwards and upwards...
Did anyone see the wee fella doing what can only be described as a mix between the shuffle and an Irish dance in front of the stand at half time? F**k that boy could move!
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 23, 2011, 10:14:54 PM
Despite the at times erroneous passing and the spurred scoring chances, it was a fairly enjoyable game, with a great atmosphere. Big Joe is a mighty man.
Will be interested to see more of that incident tomorrow night where Tommy McGuigan appeared to get pummelled. Looked like a dirty enough one, someone said the radio ID'd McKeever. He was on the ground, got a dig anyway from what I seen. Surprisingly enough, McQuillan didn't seemed interested. But... willl just have to wait and see tomorrow whether there was anything to it. Matters little now.
Saw it. A sneaky punch in the gut, Both referee and linesman were facing away from it,
Sandwiches it definitely wasn't McKeever who floored Tommy it was the No 4 (Finn mo or Mallon?). Had a clear view of it, tommy took a punch to the stomach. Also the ref was Marty Duffy not Joe McQuillan.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 23, 2011, 10:41:19 PM
Sandwiches it definitely wasn't McKeever who floored Tommy it was the No 4 (Finn mo or Mallon?). Had a clear view of it, tommy took a punch to the stomach. Also the ref was Marty Duffy not Joe McQuillan.
McQuillan was on the line Omagh Gael. He was made sure Ricey got his yellow for leaning his head into McDonnell though, who was doing exactly the same back. He seemed disinterested in that little fracas though.
Great to beat the Orangemen but I can't believe we scored 2.13. With 28 mins on the clock we had managed 3 points. Armagh were dominating at midfield and our forward line were dreadful. How many times did we kick it short into the keeper's hands?
Then Hearty remembered he had money on us and the whole game changed.
I thought 1st 30 mins Armagh looked strong all over and their trademark diagonal ball in was causing havoc.
I thought Swift had a great game as did Joey of course and Harte.
Colm played well too I thought but again I was disappointed with our full forward line. Donnelly was good in 2nd half and Penrose looked lively and showed much better than Tommy and Coney. Maybe I'm being harsh but I thought both are poor at making good runs or losing their men. Still we've scored a lot the last two games and missed a fortune tonight. We seemed intent on not taking shots from up the middle and instead working it out to the corners.
All in all happy with our 2nd half and our defence tightened up big time and we won more breaking ball at midfield.
Have we ever met the Rossies before?
I pray Cassidy is fit the next day. Hub Hughes is shocking. How he stayed on for 70 minutes is beyond me.
OK, we tried the Healy Park back door, but I don't suppose anyone happened to noticd an unlatched side window, by any chance?
I wouldn't be too critical of Tommy or Coney. Moriarty never let go of Coney's shirt all evening and the umpires and referee where happy enough to turn a blind eye. He kicked a great point as well when we were struggling a bit. He's going to need time and I'd be more than happy to give him it. Thought some of the ball into the full forward line was poor at times but at least there's something to work on.
Ricey was struggling on McDonnell, might have got the curly finger regardless of the yellow card. Sean O'Neill put in a great shift at wing back and Swift was very solid. Peter Harte is maturing into one of the most important players in the team.
It would have been nice to see Niall McKenna or McNabb getting 10 minutes at the end.
was at game and was very impressed by tyrone...they never looked like losing the game and for me that is a great bonus..yeah sure cork or maybe kerry would put teams to the sword a bit quicker but thats wat sept is for etc...armagh huffed and puffed but never had enuf to trouble a well oiled machine with a back up rig of penrose...dooher..mugsy..justy to name a few...
cant sing p hartes praises enuf up aginst aron keran who is no slouch..harte seemed to be every where and have time on the ball when no one else had...strong on ball..brave as a lion and modest and hard workin...my kind of player...ducky for me also had solid game...more 2nd half than anythin when we were well on top but still two great games back to back bodes well for him and tyrone...
people sayin joey had great game as if it was a one off or un expected..he just oozes class...never panicked..lorded it under the high ball and for a big guy in so slouch on the floor...a leader that turned iver hearty for the goal and brillant in everythin he does....an added bonus is he is a great guy and modest as f%$k
thought big sean had savage game as always and hub despite the shootin counter balanced everythin cavanagh did and pushed forward also which if anyone knows anythin about playin midfield is the first step to peggin a team back and puttin them under pressure...hub went thru a mountain of unselfish runnin and tackles and offers loads to the team...10 years on the seniors would nack that up...onwards and upwards for a team that are taking baby steps towards a leap at glory!!!
That was slightly easier than I expected, even though Tyrone took the foot off the gas with 10 minutes left and almost allowed Armagh back into it. Luckily, McDonnell lost his nerve.
Joe McMahon - that was a pleasure to watch. From scoring the opening goal to putting on a majestic full back display he was simply sublime. A terrific performance. Swift - almost dejavu. Played a blinder, then one silly error at the end when he passed to an Armagh player which ended up with a penalty award.
Jordan had his hands full tonight and struggled at times in the first half. Gormley completely snuffed out Jamie Clarke. Ricey was finding McDonnell tough going and was fortunate to be subbed because of the yellow. Sean O'Neill mixed the good with the bad. An attacking force no doubt but not much in the way of defence. Blasted a great opportunity wide and also attempted a point in the second half when there were others better placed. Rush of blood to the head sometimes.
Hub's shooting boots were back to normal. But, he broke a fair amount of ball around the middle. Sean tried hard to create space for himself and was prominent when Tyrone hit their purple patches. I thought he looked nervous early on and fluffed a couple of chances. Colm Cavanagh is probably the clumsiest footballer on the panel but is always showing and involved. Missed a golden chance when caught in two minds. Brian McGuigan had a fine second half, scored and set up 0-3. Peter Harte was magnificent. Intelligent, brave, clinical - he has the full package. I thought Tommy played well. Brought a new dimension to the forward unit and intelligent on the ball. Could've ended up with 2-4. Donnelly was effective when moved out to CHF. Always willing and rarely wasted possession. Just wish he had more confidence to whack a few over. Coney had Moriarty hanging out of him throughout - can't believe the umpires missed what was going on.
All-in-all the gradual improvement continues - slowly taking shape with a few rough edges.
As for Armagh - they have little to offer at the business end of the Championship. I'll say it again - if McKeever is your lynchpin you're in big trouble.
I have to say that Saturday night football is great when the weather is favourable. Lovely evening for a game, really big crowd and great atmosphere. Healy Park is a lovely ground but Omagh itself is a curse to get in and out of.
As for the match itself, I'm not overly disappointed. In days gone by when Tyrone beat us, you could justifiably say that an All ireland had been thrown away. Not this time. The reality is that Tyrone are a better team and we are some way off the top. Given that we are playing superior opposition, it is vital that we play with absolute heart and determination, and keep mistakes to a minimum. I thought the first half hour was as good as I have seen from us. We were doing well at midfield where Toner seemed to be on fire, and there was good ball going in - from my vantage point low down at the far end of the pitch, BJP and MOR were featuring, getting out in front. We led 6-3, and although Tyrone pulled us back, and were beginning to make penetrating runs through our defence, there was no immediate cause for alarm. The goal changed all that.
There didn't seem to be much danger - Hearty was challenged by Joe McMahon and dropped the ball. The situation was still in control, as the ball bounced favourably. However inexplicably, rather than gathering, he chose to play the bouncing ball with his foot, attempting to pass across the face of the open goal. The pass went to a Tyrone man and a goal resulted.
McGuigan added a quick point and half time came alomst immediately - at just the right time for us. To be fair, the team came out all guns blazing, and had the first three points, but Tyrone again got into their stride again began finding holes through our defence. The second goal duly arrived and to be honest was coming. We had lost our earlier midfield control and Tyrone were sweeping up everything around the middle.
To be fair, the lads kept trying but I felt at that stage that the game was gone. We got a lifeline with the penalty but Stevie - going for a goal - put it over, and that was that.
As I say, the better team won, although I thought we gave it a good shot, but were undone by a couple of terrible errors. Nobody really stood out for me, although most showed well in patches. For Tyrone, Harte was prominent, but Joe McMahon was exceptional.
Quote from: ONeill on July 23, 2011, 11:55:27 PM
That was slightly easier than I expected, even though Tyrone took the foot off the gas with 10 minutes left and almost allowed Armagh back into it. Luckily, McDonnell lost his nerve.
Joe McMahon - that was a pleasure to watch. From scoring the opening goal to putting on a majestic full back display he was simply sublime. A terrific performance. Swift - almost dejavu. Played a blinder, then one silly error at the end when he passed to an Armagh player which ended up with a penalty award.
Jordan had his hands full tonight and struggled at times in the first half. Gormley completely snuffed out Jamie Clarke. Ricey was finding McDonnell tough going and was fortunate to be subbed because of the yellow. Sean O'Neill mixed the good with the bad. An attacking force no doubt but not much in the way of defence. Blasted a great opportunity wide and also attempted a point in the second half when there were others better placed. Rush of blood to the head sometimes.
Hub's shooting boots were back to normal. But, he broke a fair amount of ball around the middle. Sean tried hard to create space for himself and was prominent when Tyrone hit their purple patches. I thought he looked nervous early on and fluffed a couple of chances. Colm Cavanagh is probably the clumsiest footballer on the panel but is always showing and involved. Missed a golden chance when caught in two minds. Brian McGuigan had a fine second half, scored and set up 0-3. Peter Harte was magnificent. Intelligent, brave, clinical - he has the full package. I thought Tommy played well. Brought a new dimension to the forward unit and intelligent on the ball. Could've ended up with 2-4. Donnelly was effective when moved out to CHF. Always willing and rarely wasted possession. Just wish he had more confidence to whack a few over. Coney had Moriarty hanging out of him throughout - can't believe the umpires missed what was going on.
All-in-all the gradual improvement continues - slowly taking shape with a few rough edges.
As for Armagh - they have little to offer at the business end of the Championship. I'll say it again - if McKeever is your lynchpin you're in big trouble.
Have they another Sam in them?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 24, 2011, 12:10:19 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 23, 2011, 11:55:27 PM
That was slightly easier than I expected, even though Tyrone took the foot off the gas with 10 minutes left and almost allowed Armagh back into it. Luckily, McDonnell lost his nerve.
Joe McMahon - that was a pleasure to watch. From scoring the opening goal to putting on a majestic full back display he was simply sublime. A terrific performance. Swift - almost dejavu. Played a blinder, then one silly error at the end when he passed to an Armagh player which ended up with a penalty award.
Jordan had his hands full tonight and struggled at times in the first half. Gormley completely snuffed out Jamie Clarke. Ricey was finding McDonnell tough going and was fortunate to be subbed because of the yellow. Sean O'Neill mixed the good with the bad. An attacking force no doubt but not much in the way of defence. Blasted a great opportunity wide and also attempted a point in the second half when there were others better placed. Rush of blood to the head sometimes.
Hub's shooting boots were back to normal. But, he broke a fair amount of ball around the middle. Sean tried hard to create space for himself and was prominent when Tyrone hit their purple patches. I thought he looked nervous early on and fluffed a couple of chances. Colm Cavanagh is probably the clumsiest footballer on the panel but is always showing and involved. Missed a golden chance when caught in two minds. Brian McGuigan had a fine second half, scored and set up 0-3. Peter Harte was magnificent. Intelligent, brave, clinical - he has the full package. I thought Tommy played well. Brought a new dimension to the forward unit and intelligent on the ball. Could've ended up with 2-4. Donnelly was effective when moved out to CHF. Always willing and rarely wasted possession. Just wish he had more confidence to whack a few over. Coney had Moriarty hanging out of him throughout - can't believe the umpires missed what was going on.
All-in-all the gradual improvement continues - slowly taking shape with a few rough edges.
As for Armagh - they have little to offer at the business end of the Championship. I'll say it again - if McKeever is your lynchpin you're in big trouble.
Have they another Sam in them?
Not at the minute but it's taking shape very like 2008.
Away in Louth, read Longford
Home to Westmeath, read Armagh
Croke v Mayo, read Roscommon.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 23, 2011, 11:25:17 PM
Have we ever met the Rossies before?
I think it's the first championship meeting between the sides, obviously we met in the league & our last meeting (8 years ago)we won by one point.
Quote from: ONeill on July 24, 2011, 12:14:55 AM
Not at the minute but it's taking shape very like 2008.
Away in Louth, read Longford
Home to Westmeath, read Armagh
Croke v Mayo, read Roscommon.
Tough puzzle this one.
But I'll try it.
If they beat Ros and get Kerry, read Kildare?
Read Fly Fishing by JR Hartley.
I'm probably being hard on Coney and Tommy. I was too far away to see the pulling and dragging though saw it on Penrose. Unreal how umpires just let it go.
Tyrone - £10 all Ireland.
It'll never pay of!!
Tyrone will eat Roscommon.
Quote from: ONeill on July 24, 2011, 12:23:17 AM
Read Fly Fishing by JR Hartley.
I did, you can't bait it!
Quote from: borderfox on July 24, 2011, 12:31:36 AM
Tyrone will eat Roscommon.
I know fecking cannibals those tyronies.
Sounds like Tyrone are back with some new guys (Harte ) been key men . Based on last year performance of provincial winners I dont thinl they will fear Kerry or Mayo (assuming they overcome the Rossies of course ) the question after today is how would they cope with Dublin and then Cork or Kildare .
I dont think any one in Kerry wants Tyrone as Mickey Harte always seems to be able to get the tactics right on these days . Interesting times ahead .
Quote from: ONeill on July 23, 2011, 11:55:27 PM
That was slightly easier than I expected, even though Tyrone took the foot off the gas with 10 minutes left and almost allowed Armagh back into it. Luckily, McDonnell lost his nerve.
Joe McMahon - that was a pleasure to watch. From scoring the opening goal to putting on a majestic full back display he was simply sublime. A terrific performance. Swift - almost dejavu. Played a blinder, then one silly error at the end when he passed to an Armagh player which ended up with a penalty award.
Jordan had his hands full tonight and struggled at times in the first half. Gormley completely snuffed out Jamie Clarke. Ricey was finding McDonnell tough going and was fortunate to be subbed because of the yellow. Sean O'Neill mixed the good with the bad. An attacking force no doubt but not much in the way of defence. Blasted a great opportunity wide and also attempted a point in the second half when there were others better placed. Rush of blood to the head sometimes.
Hub's shooting boots were back to normal. But, he broke a fair amount of ball around the middle. Sean tried hard to create space for himself and was prominent when Tyrone hit their purple patches. I thought he looked nervous early on and fluffed a couple of chances. Colm Cavanagh is probably the clumsiest footballer on the panel but is always showing and involved. Missed a golden chance when caught in two minds. Brian McGuigan had a fine second half, scored and set up 0-3. Peter Harte was magnificent. Intelligent, brave, clinical - he has the full package. I thought Tommy played well. Brought a new dimension to the forward unit and intelligent on the ball. Could've ended up with 2-4. Donnelly was effective when moved out to CHF. Always willing and rarely wasted possession. Just wish he had more confidence to whack a few over. Coney had Moriarty hanging out of him throughout - can't believe the umpires missed what was going on.
All-in-all the gradual improvement continues - slowly taking shape with a few rough edges.
As for Armagh - they have little to offer at the business end of the Championship. I'll say it again - if McKeever is your lynchpin you're in big trouble.
I think Swift was pushed a second or so before that, so maybe he was still off balance.
No real commentary on the ref tonight, which probably means he had a good game. I thought he did fairly well, and kept control of the game. Thought he was generous with the over carrying but applied it consistantly. Had Armagh a gripe with a square ball for Joe's goal? I thought he was well in where I was standing.
Just as Im thought, an easy win against an average team who over-rate themselves. Another easy win against Roscommon and into the quarters. The draw for the quarters will be interesting.It will take a good team to perform well to stop this Tyrone team that has some young talent coming through to mix with experience. They will be hard to stop......
Mc Connell: Good performance. Kick outs not a highlight. Good shot-stopping. Assured on the ball.
Ricey: Thought he was breaking even with McDonnell. Unlucky with the card. Subbing was straightforward. Will be back for the rossies.
Joe: Very good, assured on the ball made a goal though conceded a few points to BJP and could be faulted for the penalty. 2nd best Tyrone player though.
Swift: Broke even with O'Rourke in the first twenty-five, dominated thereafter. Great point. Stupid mistake blotted the copy book though. Developing well if he can cut out the killer mistakes.
Red Sean: Great passing, poor shooting, middling runs. Solid if uninspired performance. Could be under pressure.
Gormley: Excellent. Jamie Clarke held scoreless. Along with Joe a fantastic reader of the game. Slower than his younger self but making up the difference with experience. With Swift and Joe they make one of the most formidable back lines in Ireland. Only Kildare surpass them.
Jordan: Unspectacular but vital player. Ugly day for him but covered an expanse of ground. From one 13 to the other over and over again. Has the safest position on the team. Makes this side tick. Make no mistake, Tyrone's success depends upon him playing to his potential for the remainder of the campaign.
Hub: Average. Shooting is frustrating in the extreme. Needs to be told he's no PTG and to just fist the ball over the bar. And then go away and practice that. On the flipside fielding and workrate very good.
Sean: Hard to call. Most noticeably whinges alot but breaks ball well at MF and wins important frees by those hammering runs. Most teams realise fouling him is the only way to stop him, so keep it up Sean. Would like to see a greater scoring return.
Colm: Very good. Broke ball round the middle, caught well. Better than usual. Him and Hub make a very capable fielding partnership.
Brian: Played on the wing in fits and starts. Wayward shooting/passing combined with excellent shooting/passing. Heard someone say "the Mc Guigans only played when the game was won." Some truth in that. Capable of better.
Peter Harte: MOTM. kicked frees, kicked points, made goals, won about 3 consecutive breaking ball, bursting runs through the middle. Fought for possession. Exceeded all expectations.
Coney: Hit a good point early in the half. Pulled everywhere by Moriarty but you got to expect that at senior level. Either win your free or shake him free. Easily outshone Harte at minor level so is capable of so much more. Should feature on saturday.
Mark Donnelly: Going to go against the grain here but I don't think this guy is up to it. Kicked a point when Armagh where under fierce pressure and the game was won. Besides that had some poor passes/wides. Too ponder-some on the ball, needs to be more confident. Not a free scoring, ball winning forward and we will meet better defences than Armagh's. May make a decent half-forward but there is no room for him in that line at the moment.
Tommy: Hot and cold. Very talented but not used to making runs inside. Will not trouble v. good defences. First start so he should be given time but it undecided as yet. a few confident performances will improve him immensely.
Justy: Good, will be back in a starting role before long.
Penrose: Speedy, showed well. What the FF line was crying out for.
Dooher: Not really involved. Had no telling influence on the game.
Davy Harte: Same as Dooher but 2 great subs to be able to bring in.
Quote from: EC Unique on July 24, 2011, 12:48:26 AM
Just as Im thought, an easy win against an average team who over-rate themselves. Another easy win against Roscommon and into the quarters. The draw for the quarters will be interesting.It will take a good team to perform well to stop this Tyrone team that has some young talent coming through to mix with experience. They will be hard to stop......
I think we may be saying that about Tyrone later in the championship. If Mickey Harte gets an All Ireland out of that team it will be his greatest achievement. Any Armagh supporter who has watched them this year will know that they only had a punchers chance of winning. Do not forget a less than average Derry team beat them earlier in the championship and in the league a poor Galway team give them a good beating. That is the thirteenth Armagh game I have watched since January and it summed up the season - some good play showing promise undone by some dreadful mistakes. They played tonight with McKeever (by the way if anyone thinks a fit McKeever is not a great player for Armagh they have not watched him play too often), Toner, Vernon struggling with injury and Lavery not a very mobile midfielder and yet Tyrone found it difficult to put them away. Armagh have also got no proper defence system and have been prone to conceding goals all year. From my viewpoint McMahon is a great player and Swift looks useful. Sean Cavanagh spends too much time talking instead of playing and Peter Harte could be a really great player. The rest of the team is made up of players past their best, still learning or just not good enough. As for all their missed chances - this seems to becoming a trend - Donegal this year, Dublin last. If they are to have a chance to win the All Ireland this will need to change.
Finally, someone mentioned the referee. The reason no one mentioned him to date was not because he was good but because he was irrelevant to the result as Tyrone were so much the better team. My opinion is that he seems to be the type of ref the assessors like and this is destroying the game. He was producing yellow cards like confetti in a match with very few bad fouls and was very inconsistent.
thought joe mcmahon, mark donnelly and peter harte were outstanding tonite. donnelly never convinced me in a county jersey until tonite - fair play to him. we should have hammered armagh really.
Quote from: EC Unique on July 24, 2011, 12:48:26 AM
Just as Im thought, an easy win against an average team who over-rate themselves. Another easy win against Roscommon and into the quarters. The draw for the quarters will be interesting.It will take a good team to perform well to stop this Tyrone team that has some young talent coming through to mix with experience. They will be hard to stop......
if we beat roscommon we will play either kerry (who wont have played in 5 weeks), dublin (who wont have played in 4 weeks) and donegal (no motivation needed there). it's set up perfectly for tyrone :)
Quote from: trileacman on July 24, 2011, 01:38:57 AM
Mc Connell: Good performance. Kick outs not a highlight. Good shot-stopping. Assured on the ball.
Ricey: Thought he was breaking even with McDonnell. Unlucky with the card. Subbing was straightforward. Will be back for the rossies.
Joe: Very good, assured on the ball made a goal though conceded a few points to BJP and could be faulted for the penalty. 2nd best Tyrone player though.
Swift: Broke even with O'Rourke in the first twenty-five, dominated thereafter. Great point. Stupid mistake blotted the copy book though. Developing well if he can cut out the killer mistakes.
Red Sean: Great passing, poor shooting, middling runs. Solid if uninspired performance. Could be under pressure.
Gormley: Excellent. Jamie Clarke held scoreless. Along with Joe a fantastic reader of the game. Slower than his younger self but making up the difference with experience. With Swift and Joe they make one of the most formidable back lines in Ireland. Only Kildare surpass them.
Jordan: Unspectacular but vital player. Ugly day for him but covered an expanse of ground. From one 13 to the other over and over again. Has the safest position on the team. Makes this side tick. Make no mistake, Tyrone's success depends upon him playing to his potential for the remainder of the campaign.
Hub: Average. Shooting is frustrating in the extreme. Needs to be told he's no PTG and to just fist the ball over the bar. And then go away and practice that. On the flipside fielding and workrate very good.
Sean: Hard to call. Most noticeably whinges alot but breaks ball well at MF and wins important frees by those hammering runs. Most teams realise fouling him is the only way to stop him, so keep it up Sean. Would like to see a greater scoring return.
Colm: Very good. Broke ball round the middle, caught well. Better than usual. Him and Hub make a very capable fielding partnership.
Brian: Played on the wing in fits and starts. Wayward shooting/passing combined with excellent shooting/passing. Heard someone say "the Mc Guigans only played when the game was won." Some truth in that. Capable of better.
Peter Harte: MOTM. kicked frees, kicked points, made goals, won about 3 consecutive breaking ball, bursting runs through the middle. Fought for possession. Exceeded all expectations.
Coney: Hit a good point early in the half. Pulled everywhere by Moriarty but you got to expect that at senior level. Either win your free or shake him free. Easily outshone Harte at minor level so is capable of so much more. Should feature on saturday.
Mark Donnelly: Going to go against the grain here but I don't think this guy is up to it. Kicked a point when Armagh where under fierce pressure and the game was won. Besides that had some poor passes/wides. Too ponder-some on the ball, needs to be more confident. Not a free scoring, ball winning forward and we will meet better defences than Armagh's. May make a decent half-forward but there is no room for him in that line at the moment.
Tommy: Hot and cold. Very talented but not used to making runs inside. Will not trouble v. good defences. First start so he should be given time but it undecided as yet. a few confident performances will improve him immensely.
Justy: Good, will be back in a starting role before long.
Penrose: Speedy, showed well. What the FF line was crying out for.
Dooher: Not really involved. Had no telling influence on the game.
Davy Harte: Same as Dooher but 2 great subs to be able to bring in.
I must have been at a different game.
Quote from: trileacman on July 24, 2011, 01:38:57 AM
Mc Connell: Good performance. Kick outs not a highlight. Good shot-stopping. Assured on the ball.
Ricey: Thought he was breaking even with McDonnell. Unlucky with the card. Subbing was straightforward. Will be back for the rossies.
Joe: Very good, assured on the ball made a goal though conceded a few points to BJP and could be faulted for the penalty. 2nd best Tyrone player though.
Swift: Broke even with O'Rourke in the first twenty-five, dominated thereafter. Great point. Stupid mistake blotted the copy book though. Developing well if he can cut out the killer mistakes.
Red Sean: Great passing, poor shooting, middling runs. Solid if uninspired performance. Could be under pressure.
Gormley: Excellent. Jamie Clarke held scoreless. Along with Joe a fantastic reader of the game. Slower than his younger self but making up the difference with experience. With Swift and Joe they make one of the most formidable back lines in Ireland. Only Kildare surpass them.
Jordan: Unspectacular but vital player. Ugly day for him but covered an expanse of ground. From one 13 to the other over and over again. Has the safest position on the team. Makes this side tick. Make no mistake, Tyrone's success depends upon him playing to his potential for the remainder of the campaign.
Hub: Average. Shooting is frustrating in the extreme. Needs to be told he's no PTG and to just fist the ball over the bar. And then go away and practice that. On the flipside fielding and workrate very good.
Sean: Hard to call. Most noticeably whinges alot but breaks ball well at MF and wins important frees by those hammering runs. Most teams realise fouling him is the only way to stop him, so keep it up Sean. Would like to see a greater scoring return.
Colm: Very good. Broke ball round the middle, caught well. Better than usual. Him and Hub make a very capable fielding partnership.
Brian: Played on the wing in fits and starts. Wayward shooting/passing combined with excellent shooting/passing. Heard someone say "the Mc Guigans only played when the game was won." Some truth in that. Capable of better.
Peter Harte: MOTM. kicked frees, kicked points, made goals, won about 3 consecutive breaking ball, bursting runs through the middle. Fought for possession. Exceeded all expectations.
Coney: Hit a good point early in the half. Pulled everywhere by Moriarty but you got to expect that at senior level. Either win your free or shake him free. Easily outshone Harte at minor level so is capable of so much more. Should feature on saturday.
Mark Donnelly: Going to go against the grain here but I don't think this guy is up to it. Kicked a point when Armagh where under fierce pressure and the game was won. Besides that had some poor passes/wides. Too ponder-some on the ball, needs to be more confident. Not a free scoring, ball winning forward and we will meet better defences than Armagh's. May make a decent half-forward but there is no room for him in that line at the moment.
Tommy: Hot and cold. Very talented but not used to making runs inside. Will not trouble v. good defences. First start so he should be given time but it undecided as yet. a few confident performances will improve him immensely.
Justy: Good, will be back in a starting role before long.
Penrose: Speedy, showed well. What the FF line was crying out for.
Dooher: Not really involved. Had no telling influence on the game.
Davy Harte: Same as Dooher but 2 great subs to be able to bring in.
Agree with a lot but I'd take issue with a few things here.
1 - BJP only scored a point v Joe. Joe was masterful throughout.
2 - I though Brian McGuigan was involved in a lot of good, especially in the second half when Armagh reeled off those three points at the start. He then got on the ball and settled things.
3 - Mark Donnelly rarely wasted possession. Yes, he's not your typical no.14 but sure when was the last time Tyrone had a typical anything. 1-17 and 2-13 suggests they're doing OK (despite the wides) and Donnelly has been involved in so many good things. The ball sticks to him.
4 - Thought Tommy was excellent close to goal. A real target man.
5 - Dooher was heavily involved in those last 10 minutes. Probably saw more ball than anyone.
Give us your player reviews then. We need to not get carried away and dismiss the Rossies. Could shock us yet.
I was sure that the first goal was a square ball.
Someone said that the ref consistently allowed both teams to over carry, but tell that to Charlie Vernon who was blew up after about 4 steps for one of Tyrone's early points.
We were well outclassed, but the ref certainly didn't have a great game.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 24, 2011, 08:47:31 AM
Give us your player reviews then. We need to not get carried away and dismiss the Rossies. Could shock us yet.
http://209.200.237.116/~gaabo3/board/index.php?topic=19765.msg993120#msg993120
Agree about Roscommon. Too many dismissing them.
Quote from: mackers on July 23, 2011, 03:09:38 PM
I'm hoping that tonight is the night that Vernon, Dyas, Miceal O'Rourke and Jamie Clarke step out of the shadows of the 99-06 team and stamp their own authority on championship football. They are all well capable of doing so. There are few things in life that give me greater pleasure that beating Tyrone. If these guys fulfill their potential and Stevie and McKeever play well we can do it!!
Ah well !! ;)
I must say McDonnell gave a great exhibition of free taking last night. Clarke was contained on the night but he's another Gooch in the making, I believe. He ll do some damage to Tyrone in the future, no doubt about that.
Which armagh poster was it who said about clarke making hay against old man gormley :)
Anyone who watches errigal regularly will know what peter harte is capable of. For a long time there has been as much excitement about his potential as there was about canavan. He will undoubtedly go on to become one of the finest footballers in ireland.
Quote from: ONeill on July 24, 2011, 09:06:43 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 24, 2011, 08:47:31 AM
Give us your player reviews then. We need to not get carried away and dismiss the Rossies. Could shock us yet.
http://209.200.237.116/~gaabo3/board/index.php?topic=19765.msg993120#msg993120
Agree about Roscommon. Too many dismissing them.
roscommon are no mugs. donie shine will take some watching.
Quote from: under the bar on July 24, 2011, 11:58:13 AM
. He will undoubtedly go on to become one of the finest footballers in ireland.
Yes, there is absolutely no doubt at all, as you say.
Quote from: under the bar on July 24, 2011, 11:58:13 AM
Which armagh poster was it who said about clarke making hay against old man gormley :)
Anyone who watches errigal regularly will know what peter harte is capable of. For a long time there has been as much excitement about his potential as there was about canavan. He will undoubtedly go on to become one of the finest footballers in ireland.
Quote from: mackers on July 17, 2011, 09:46:31 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 17, 2011, 12:29:27 AM
Any word on whether Mc Keever, Toner or Swift will be back?
The most likely would be Swift, he was togged out last night and had his football gloves at the ready so he must be close. I'd throw him in for Lavery myself. Looked like Ciaran was still limping last night and I'd be surprised if he plays. Don't so sure about Toner.
Quote from: trileacman on July 17, 2011, 12:13:36 AM
The tactics: Block shall take the dangerman Clarke. Sad to think that in 8 years of success we can't find a top class man-marking corner back but anyhow.
As an Armagh man I really hope that Gormley marks Clarke. There's joy to be had there.
Did Gormley not take a few roastings in the league? Nothing particuarly unusal about thinking our new star forward could do well on an experienced defender.
As an Armagh man I really hope that Gormley marks Clarke. There's joy to be had there.
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For Gormley, yes ;)
Quote from: onefaircounty on July 24, 2011, 12:12:48 PM
Did Gormley not take a few roastings in the league? Nothing particuarly unusal about thinking our new star forward could do well on an experienced defender.
For the first couple of games in the league he was caught out for speed and the obituaries wrre written.
He soon sharpened up though and went on to star for both club and county.
He was MOM against Monaghan.
Quote from: ONeill on July 24, 2011, 08:43:03 AM
Quote from: trileacman on July 24, 2011, 01:38:57 AM
Justy: Good, will be back in a starting role before long.
Penrose: Speedy, showed well. What the FF line was crying out for.
Dooher: Not really involved. Had no telling influence on the game.
Davy Harte: Same as Dooher but 2 great subs to be able to bring in.
Agree with a lot but I'd take issue with a few things here.
1 - BJP only scored a point v Joe. Joe was masterful throughout.
2 - I though Brian McGuigan was involved in a lot of good, especially in the second half when Armagh reeled off those three points at the start. He then got on the ball and settled things.
3 - Mark Donnelly rarely wasted possession. Yes, he's not your typical no.14 but sure when was the last time Tyrone had a typical anything. 1-17 and 2-13 suggests they're doing OK (despite the wides) and Donnelly has been involved in so many good things. The ball sticks to him.
4 - Thought Tommy was excellent close to goal. A real target man.
5 - Dooher was heavily involved in those last 10 minutes. Probably saw more ball than anyone.
1- I stand corrected but I'm measuring Joe to his own high standards. His display against Monaghan was the finest bit of defending I've seen in 6-7 years. A perfect performance and I mean perfect. However the teams have gotten better since then so it is no real surprise his performances haven't been just as good.
2- Also true. Its just the change in position from CHF to WHF has changed the demands on him. He fought well, especially considering he had McKeever up his ass all day but just not the old swash-buckling BMcG of old. In retrospect I may have judged him harshly but I think there's more in him.
3 and 4: Are really the one problem. I don't believe that these guys are a fearsome inside unit. Gone are the days of Mugsy, PTG, SON, even Sean C mauling of the dubs '08 springs to mind. Apart from Coney I see no exceptionally talented FF's there and even he has some way to go. When Tyrone were under the cosh in the first half, up until the goal, Tommy and Mark were second to alot of ball inside and didn't offer us enough. In those testing moments of the match it was Gormley, Joe, philly, BMcG, Colm and Harte who really shone. I worry that in future matches, in Croker against Kerry/Cork/Dublin these boys won't feature strongly enough and once again our FF line will be our undoing. We won't be playing the likes of Armagh again, the teams left are all a step, or several steps, above.
5: Dooher is calm collected and assured in possession. He slows the game, builds the phases and rarely wastes possession. The ideal man to see out a game e.g. yesterday. However he is no game changer now and I would fear for him being introduced in an environment where Tyrone are behind and we have to go chasing. Those lung busting runs are not as frequent, those miracle points a rarity and killer passing is not his forte.
Quote from: maddog on July 23, 2011, 09:45:19 PM
Deserved victory for Mickey Harte and his squad. I think they will get better again if getting past the rossies which they will be massive favourites to do. Harte, Colm Kavanagh, probably stood out for Tyrone most with the 2 mcguigans excellent in patches as well. For us McKeever, Stevie, Vernon emerged with credit. On reflection this stage was about as far as i expected us to get. As far as management changes go im sure there will be plenty of calls for a clear out.
What game were you at mate?? Both were terrible
From what I hear the two combined teams would not touch any of the top southern teams, but in all honesty I hope Mickey can garner another title tilt out of these players because I think they and he deserve it, thats tough coming from an Armagh man
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on July 24, 2011, 01:14:47 PM
From what I hear the two combined teams would not touch any of the top southern teams, but in all honesty I hope Mickey can garner another title tilt out of these players because I think they and he deserve it, thats tough coming from an Armagh man
Which southerner came out with that one?
Quote from: trileacman on July 24, 2011, 12:09:34 PM
Quote from: under the bar on July 24, 2011, 11:58:13 AM
Which armagh poster was it who said about clarke making hay against old man gormley :)
Anyone who watches errigal regularly will know what peter harte is capable of. For a long time there has been as much excitement about his potential as there was about canavan. He will undoubtedly go on to become one of the finest footballers in ireland.
Quote from: mackers on July 17, 2011, 09:46:31 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 17, 2011, 12:29:27 AM
Any word on whether Mc Keever, Toner or Swift will be back?
The most likely would be Swift, he was togged out last night and had his football gloves at the ready so he must be close. I'd throw him in for Lavery myself. Looked like Ciaran was still limping last night and I'd be surprised if he plays. Don't so sure about Toner.
Quote from: trileacman on July 17, 2011, 12:13:36 AM
The tactics: Block shall take the dangerman Clarke. Sad to think that in 8 years of success we can't find a top class man-marking corner back but anyhow.
As an Armagh man I really hope that Gormley marks Clarke. There's joy to be had there.
I've highlighted the bit of YOUR quote that I agreed with by saying what I said. In fairness, Gormley beat Clarke to a couple of high balls that wouldn't be Jamie's strong point. When Jamie got the proper ball in he wasn't just faced by Gormley who he rounded on a few occasions but by a number of defenders who he couldn't shake off.
The players that I said I hoped would stand up, didn't. CV had a poor game for me and deserved to be taken off. Dyas was injured so we missed out there. MOR had a good first half and was called ashore AGAIN when others could have been called off before him.
Our lack of mobility in midfield was cruelly exposed as I was worried it would. Ciaran McKeever and AK were plugging holes as Tyrone's midfield and half backs poured through. Joe McMahon was awesome at FB.
The first goal was a square ball and I thought the ref was poor especially in dishing out soft yellow cards in the first half with Jamie Clarke's particularly strange. But Tyrone were easily the better team on the night and deserved their win.
Good enough evening at the office, with some very decent patches of football from ourselves that the Orchard men had no answer for.
Gutted though that my bet for Tyrone to win by between 7 and 9 points just fell short! (sorry Armagh folk ;) ).
Will their be match fixing by the Gaa tonight? What I mean is can Mayo not meet the winners of Roscommon v Tyrone (incase it's Ros) but all other games be open draw?
Quote from: Armaghgael on July 24, 2011, 01:00:21 PM
Quote from: maddog on July 23, 2011, 09:45:19 PM
Deserved victory for Mickey Harte and his squad. I think they will get better again if getting past the rossies which they will be massive favourites to do. Harte, Colm Kavanagh, probably stood out for Tyrone most with the 2 mcguigans excellent in patches as well. For us McKeever, Stevie, Vernon emerged with credit. On reflection this stage was about as far as i expected us to get. As far as management changes go im sure there will be plenty of calls for a clear out.
What game were you at mate?? Both were terrible
Some of Mckeever's kick passing from both play and frees was shocking. He had a poor enough game by his standards I think.
were the hell was Kevin Dyas last night that he didn't start. after all he had a brilliant game last week in Wicklow..
Quote from: mackers on July 24, 2011, 01:23:55 PM
Quote from: trileacman on July 24, 2011, 12:09:34 PM
Quote from: under the bar on July 24, 2011, 11:58:13 AM
Which armagh poster was it who said about clarke making hay against old man gormley :)
Anyone who watches errigal regularly will know what peter harte is capable of. For a long time there has been as much excitement about his potential as there was about canavan. He will undoubtedly go on to become one of the finest footballers in ireland.
Quote from: mackers on July 17, 2011, 09:46:31 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 17, 2011, 12:29:27 AM
Any word on whether Mc Keever, Toner or Swift will be back?
The most likely would be Swift, he was togged out last night and had his football gloves at the ready so he must be close. I'd throw him in for Lavery myself. Looked like Ciaran was still limping last night and I'd be surprised if he plays. Don't so sure about Toner.
Quote from: trileacman on July 17, 2011, 12:13:36 AM
The tactics: Block shall take the dangerman Clarke. Sad to think that in 8 years of success we can't find a top class man-marking corner back but anyhow.
As an Armagh man I really hope that Gormley marks Clarke. There's joy to be had there.
I've highlighted the bit of YOUR quote that I agreed with by saying what I said. In fairness, Gormley beat Clarke to a couple of high balls that wouldn't be Jamie's strong point. When Jamie got the proper ball in he wasn't just faced by Gormley who he rounded on a few occasions but by a number of defenders who he couldn't shake off.
The players that I said I hoped would stand up, didn't. CV had a poor game for me and deserved to be taken off. Dyas was injured so we missed out there. MOR had a good first half and was called ashore AGAIN when others could have been called off before him.
Our lack of mobility in midfield was cruelly exposed as I was worried it would. Ciaran McKeever and AK were plugging holes as Tyrone's midfield and half backs poured through. Joe McMahon was awesome at FB.
The first goal was a square ball and I thought the ref was poor especially in dishing out soft yellow cards in the first half with Jamie Clarke's particularly strange. But Tyrone were easily the better team on the night and deserved their win.
Heard yesterday that he was doubtful to start because he had picked up a groin injury in Aughrim. Would suggest that this was why he was taken off rather than his form if other substitutions are considered!
Quote from: Armaghgael on July 24, 2011, 01:00:21 PM
Quote from: maddog on July 23, 2011, 09:45:19 PM
Deserved victory for Mickey Harte and his squad. I think they will get better again if getting past the rossies which they will be massive favourites to do. Harte, Colm Kavanagh, probably stood out for Tyrone most with the 2 mcguigans excellent in patches as well. For us McKeever, Stevie, Vernon emerged with credit. On reflection this stage was about as far as i expected us to get. As far as management changes go im sure there will be plenty of calls for a clear out.
What game were you at mate?? Both were terrible
I was at Premier sports on Sky, obviously you only see so much on tv but sure enlighten me as to why they were terrible.
Was BJP playing at FF?
Quote from: David McKeown on July 24, 2011, 01:36:58 PM
Will their be match fixing by the Gaa tonight? What I mean is can Mayo not meet the winners of Roscommon v Tyrone (incase it's Ros) but all other games be open draw?
Another glitch in the system ?.
Frustrating end to the year, but not that disappointing in the greater scheme of things. We're so far off the top table that a knock out was coming sooner or later. Ideally it wouldn't have come from Tyrone, but that's how it goes.
It's amazing how everything always seems rosier in light of a win, from reading this thread there seems to be no exception in Tyrone. I thought they looked very average for huge swathes of this game. The five minutes before half time killed Armagh, and we largely have ourselves to blame for this with Hearty's head staggers. It was criminal to cough up three points so easily in a game that we needed to keep errors to minimum. This gifted cushion was what made Tyrone's second goal a game finisher, when it shouldn't have been. Aye Tyrone hit wides, so did Armagh. Aye Tyrone missed goal chances, so did Armagh. It's easy to only remember certain events if you want to convince yourself of something. Tyrone need to up it again to compete with genuine contenders, although they're a decent outside bet.
For ourselves, I thought our FB line was left very exposed again. Donegal restricted that Tyrone team to just nine points because Tyrone faced twelve defenders every time they tried to score. Too often we left them in one on one or two on two situations. That's kamikaze football at this level, all it takes is one slip or one misjudged ball and you are punished. Would hesitate to be too critical of any of this line in light of how hung out to dry they have been all year, but they weren't great last night.
The HB line was poor. Kernan was far too loose on Harte, who was hugely influential for Tyrone. McKeever had a decent first half off the ball with some big hits, but kicked some poor passes and faded towards the end as his injury took it's toll. Duffy has had a poor championship, hasn't looked fit since the Down match.
Toner was very good in the middle, especially for someone only coming back from injury. Lavery has been one of the biggest disappointments of the year. Offers very little other than his fielding, which hasn't been up to much either. That injury sustained a few years ago has robbed him of whatever mobility he had, and it's evidently not coming back. Sad to see a lad who dominated his peers at U21 level reduced to a little more than a passenger just a few years later. Could find half a dozen men ahead of him in the queue next year.
McDonnell was excellent in the HF line, penalty miss aside. Hopefully he gives it another couple of years because he can still deliver at this level. A typical Vernon game from Vernon. Some good, some bad. More bad last night. Mackin did alright again, he can hold his head high after this year.
O'Rourke scored a couple of good points, but faded a bit later on. Maybe replaced too soon. Has something to offer at county level and can hopefully push on next year. Padden hasn't much football in him. He's a big man with decent hands, but doesn't have enough of a cutting edge to play FF on a team with any sort of ambition. McMahon ate him up. Clarke had a tough game, probably his poorest in his short Armagh career. Gormley has excellent on him, although it must be said that the ball into the pair was perfect for the Tyrone man. Clarke thrives on fast low ball and ball into space. Too often last night he was expected to win speculative garryowens, that's not his game. Must be added that he still won a few converted frees and would've goaled but for an outstanding save from McConnell.
Would be great to be able to pin everything on the management, but the problems are a lot more widespread. There are just too many weak links on the pitch to compete with the top sides, and there's not a lot a manager can do about goalkeeping c**k ups or penalty misses. This said, criticism of our defensive set up is merited. Just like in the second of half of the Derry game, the arse fell out of it in the second half last night. The whole thing was utterly shapeless. Donnelly pulled Donaghy away out the field creating an ocean of room in the middle for Tyrone players to bomb into from deep. This is how the second Tyrone goal was scored, and there had been two or three identical attacks just proceeding it. Better management would've seen this danger developing and remedied things before it was too late.
Looking ahead, I believe there's a good Armagh team there somewhere. They need to be better organised though, with more emphasis on defense. We simply don't have the players to play that type of pure six and six football. We're just losing shoot outs at the minute. We need a couple more quality forwards to come through too. The progress of the 2009 minors has been frustratingly slow. Hoping Grugan sets up camp in the gym the next six months, and McParland gets given a decent opportunity to establish himself next spring.
Quote from: David McKeown on July 24, 2011, 01:36:58 PM
Will their be match fixing by the Gaa tonight? What I mean is can Mayo not meet the winners of Roscommon v Tyrone (incase it's Ros) but all other games be open draw?
Kerry can't meet Cork either I think. The draw will be a mess.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on July 24, 2011, 04:17:01 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on July 24, 2011, 01:36:58 PM
Will their be match fixing by the Gaa tonight? What I mean is can Mayo not meet the winners of Roscommon v Tyrone (incase it's Ros) but all other games be open draw?
Kerry can't meet Cork either I think. The draw will be a mess.
Not if they can engineer a Kerry v Dublin final !!
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2011, 08:56:15 AM
I was sure that the first goal was a square ball.
My dad thought that too.
Satisfying is how I view the result. We punished the turnovers, of which there were just too many from Armagh.
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2011, 08:56:15 AM
I was sure that the first goal was a square ball.
Someone said that the ref consistently allowed both teams to over carry, but tell that to Charlie Vernon who was blew up after about 4 steps for one of Tyrone's early points.
We were well outclassed, but the ref certainly didn't have a great game.
At long last!!!
Marty Duffy had an absolute shocker last night.
He blew Vernon for an iffy over carry resulting in a sored free and then never blew a Tyrone forward as they carried for miles.
The game turned on the square ball goal.
Saying that, the best team won.
Good luck to them.
Quote from: AFS on July 24, 2011, 03:03:48 PM
Frustrating end to the year, but not that disappointing in the greater scheme of things. We're so far off the top table that a knock out was coming sooner or later. Ideally it wouldn't have come from Tyrone, but that's how it goes.
It's amazing how everything always seems rosier in light of a win, from reading this thread there seems to be no exception in Tyrone. I thought they looked very average for huge swathes of this game. The five minutes before half time killed Armagh, and we largely have ourselves to blame for this with Hearty's head staggers. It was criminal to cough up three points so easily in a game that we needed to keep errors to minimum. This gifted cushion was what made Tyrone's second goal a game finisher, when it shouldn't have been. Aye Tyrone hit wides, so did Armagh. Aye Tyrone missed goal chances, so did Armagh. It's easy to only remember certain events if you want to convince yourself of something. Tyrone need to up it again to compete with genuine contenders, although they're a decent outside bet.
For ourselves, I thought our FB line was left very exposed again. Donegal restricted that Tyrone team to just nine points because Tyrone faced twelve defenders every time they tried to score. Too often we left them in one on one or two on two situations. That's kamikaze football at this level, all it takes is one slip or one misjudged ball and you are punished. Would hesitate to be too critical of any of this line in light of how hung out to dry they have been all year, but they weren't great last night.
The HB line was poor. Kernan was far too loose on Harte, who was hugely influential for Tyrone. McKeever had a decent first half off the ball with some big hits, but kicked some poor passes and faded towards the end as his injury took it's toll. Duffy has had a poor championship, hasn't looked fit since the Down match.
Toner was very good in the middle, especially for someone only coming back from injury. Lavery has been one of the biggest disappointments of the year. Offers very little other than his fielding, which hasn't been up to much either. That injury sustained a few years ago has robbed him of whatever mobility he had, and it's evidently not coming back. Sad to see a lad who dominated his peers at U21 level reduced to a little more than a passenger just a few years later. Could find half a dozen men ahead of him in the queue next year.
McDonnell was excellent in the HF line, penalty miss aside. Hopefully he gives it another couple of years because he can still deliver at this level. A typical Vernon game from Vernon. Some good, some bad. More bad last night. Mackin did alright again, he can hold his head high after this year.
O'Rourke scored a couple of good points, but faded a bit later on. Maybe replaced too soon. Has something to offer at county level and can hopefully push on next year. Padden hasn't much football in him. He's a big man with decent hands, but doesn't have enough of a cutting edge to play FF on a team with any sort of ambition. McMahon ate him up. Clarke had a tough game, probably his poorest in his short Armagh career. Gormley has excellent on him, although it must be said that the ball into the pair was perfect for the Tyrone man. Clarke thrives on fast low ball and ball into space. Too often last night he was expected to win speculative garryowens, that's not his game. Must be added that he still won a few converted frees and would've goaled but for an outstanding save from McConnell.
Would be great to be able to pin everything on the management, but the problems are a lot more widespread. There are just too many weak links on the pitch to compete with the top sides, and there's not a lot a manager can do about goalkeeping c**k ups or penalty misses. This said, criticism of our defensive set up is merited. Just like in the second of half of the Derry game, the arse fell out of it in the second half last night. The whole thing was utterly shapeless. Donnelly pulled Donaghy away out the field creating an ocean of room in the middle for Tyrone players to bomb into from deep. This is how the second Tyrone goal was scored, and there had been two or three identical attacks just proceeding it. Better management would've seen this danger developing and remedied things before it was too late.
Looking ahead, I believe there's a good Armagh team there somewhere. They need to be better organised though, with more emphasis on defense. We simply don't have the players to play that type of pure six and six football. We're just losing shoot outs at the minute. We need a couple more quality forwards to come through too. The progress of the 2009 minors has been frustratingly slow. Hoping Grugan sets up camp in the gym the next six months, and McParland gets given a decent opportunity to establish himself next spring.
Great post AFS. As usual spot on the money for me, especially the last two paragraphs. If, as I expect, POR does resign or is pushed, I would have a certain amount of sympathy for him. We are carrying four passengers on our team. He has us playing football again after the crap that our previous manager had us playing. He has swung the pendulum too far unfortunately and we looked to have played off the cuff too often. When things started to go wrong we became too ragged and as you say a lack of a cohesive game plan cost us.
On your point regarding the minors the best forward on the minor team was Robbie Tasker and it looks doubtful whether he will play inter county football which is a major disappointment to me. I have heard that POR went to great lengths to get him on board last year but was unsuccessful. At least Grugan, McParland and McKenna have had a taste this year and more will be drafted in.
Your point on the POR out thread is well made also regarding the guys who have had 4 or 5 years on the panel and failed to impress, the four passengers that I referred to above are in this age group. These guys should be dropped and the younger guys given their chance.
Quote from: maddog on July 24, 2011, 02:53:03 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on July 24, 2011, 01:00:21 PM
Quote from: maddog on July 23, 2011, 09:45:19 PM
Deserved victory for Mickey Harte and his squad. I think they will get better again if getting past the rossies which they will be massive favourites to do. Harte, Colm Kavanagh, probably stood out for Tyrone most with the 2 mcguigans excellent in patches as well. For us McKeever, Stevie, Vernon emerged with credit. On reflection this stage was about as far as i expected us to get. As far as management changes go im sure there will be plenty of calls for a clear out.
What game were you at mate?? Both were terrible
I was at Premier sports on Sky, obviously you only see so much on tv but sure enlighten me as to why they were terrible.
Its not hard to know why you thought Vernon played well (And anyone who was at the game would tel ye he was useless)
McKeever couldnt find an Armagh jersey in the o`neills shop that how bad his passing was
defo square ball there lads for the goal but disallowing it wouldn't have made any difference Tyrone simply ran through us. too many defenders wanting to play football - on our team. we've a great team there all have all irl medals of some description but some of them are off the boil. we just need someone to mold them and see if they can be redeemed. we need a new manager and a trawl of the clubs at all levels paul mc granes and geezers dont grow on trees but we are missing something
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 23, 2011, 10:28:01 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 23, 2011, 09:20:26 PM
Just in the door. Great performance tonight but still need to improve our shooting. Ban hub from passing the 45 line.
Awesome display from Petey Harte, has followed up his Longford performance with an even better display tonight. It had everything, winning mountains of dirty ball round the middle, setting up and involved in at least 70% of scores and chipped in with 4 (I think) points himself. He can also really hold his own in the physical stakes and has wonderful vision, rarely looses possession. A real gem.
On any other night Joe mcMahon would have been MOTM. Such a reliable defender, has really safe hands and always uses the ball well. Plucked a sublime ball out of the sky in the second half that was worth the admission price alone.
Roll on the Rossies.
That catch from McMahon got some roar from the stand. Celebrated like it was a goal! As everyone said McMahon was superb, Peter Harte worked his b**ls off. I thought Mark Donnelly played very well too when he came into the half forward zones.
Besides those, Sean O'Neill had an excellent game, and I thought that outside McMahon, Marty Swift was the stand out performer. Was disapointed - in a way- with Jamie Clarke. He'd nothing to offer!
Tyrone missed some serious goal chances, when you consider Sean O'Neill's drive wide in the first half, McGuigan (I think it was) hitting the post in the first half, Hub's miss and I think there were a couple of other big chances in the second half.
Onwards and upwards...
Did anyone see the wee fella doing what can only be described as a mix between the shuffle and an Irish dance in front of the stand at half time? F**k that boy could move!
IMO I thought swift scored a great point and had an okay game but don't think he handled young inexperienced o'rourke very well at all. He kicked some good points off him and I would be worried come bigger guns later in the championship!!! Better defenders on the bench I think!
Quote from: AFS on July 24, 2011, 03:03:48 PM
Frustrating end to the year, but not that disappointing in the greater scheme of things. We're so far off the top table that a knock out was coming sooner or later. Ideally it wouldn't have come from Tyrone, but that's how it goes.
Would be great to be able to pin everything on the management, but the problems are a lot more widespread. There are just too many weak links on the pitch to compete with the top sides, and there's not a lot a manager can do about goalkeeping c**k ups or penalty misses. This said, criticism of our defensive set up is merited. Just like in the second of half of the Derry game, the arse fell out of it in the second half last night. The whole thing was utterly shapeless. Donnelly pulled Donaghy away out the field creating an ocean of room in the middle for Tyrone players to bomb into from deep. This is how the second Tyrone goal was scored, and there had been two or three identical attacks just proceeding it. Better management would've seen this danger developing and remedied things before it was too late.
A lot of good points here particularly blaming all ills on management. HF line has often been cited as main area for concern over the last few years but whoever is in charge next year needs to concentrate on shoring up the defence. During 2002 to 2005 we rarely conceded 2 goals in any 1 game.McDonnell needs to be persuaded to stay on also.
Quote from: orangeman on July 24, 2011, 04:23:24 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on July 24, 2011, 04:17:01 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on July 24, 2011, 01:36:58 PM
Will their be match fixing by the Gaa tonight? What I mean is can Mayo not meet the winners of Roscommon v Tyrone (incase it's Ros) but all other games be open draw?
Kerry can't meet Cork either I think. The draw will be a mess.
Not if they can engineer a Kerry v Dublin final !!
I know the draw has now been done so this makes no difference but again this shambolic from the GAA who change the rules as they go along. We can't have a refixture of a provincial final but because two other teams drew, weeks ago we have now also decided that we can't have a Tyrone v Mayo match either. In essence increasing Dublin, Kerry and Donegals chances of meeting Tyrone.
It was a great evening for football last Saturday night. Healy Park is a great wee venue, i was very impressed with the new stand, big crowd and a good atmosphere.
Armagh started well, Tyrone seemed to take 20 minutes to get going, Armagh were dominating the game until Heartys clanger (I could'nt believe my eyes) It definetly turned the whole physce of the game & it was a clear square ball, as armagh went in 4 down at the break... Armagh started the second half well, but from 10 mins into the second half it was all tyrone. Peter Harte ran riot, aaron kernan is too loose & Harte should have been man marked. Tyrone cut through the middle of our defence like a hot knife through butter, they could have been out the gate
So back to square one, I would not be of the POR out brigade. I know he has tactical limitations, but i feel he has probably done as much as could be done with what is available. I know guys are talking about defensive systems again, but to do that you need good quality forwards who can hit 3-4 points a game. We have 2 of these individuals... We need to find a at least 2 defenders & 2 new forwards... not easy...
Best of luck to the umpa lumpas in the quarters
Refereeing was atrocious btw, like wise in the limerick match
Sean Kavanagh is not the player he was....
Sean Kavanagh is defintely no Sean Cavanagh.
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 25, 2011, 09:07:48 PM
Quote from: BerfArmagh on July 25, 2011, 10:32:12 AM
Sean Kavanagh is not the player he was....
Certainly not when he starts the game with some rough lad knocking him to the floor and then others doing the same without the referee giving him his well earned frees. He did some amount of shouting at the referee, the linesmen and the sideline.
It's really about time he stopped his crying at referees to be honest. Every Tyrone game you turn on these days a big feature is Cavanagh crying at the referee about something - and a lot of the time it's innocuous. He has the ability to be a fantastic player so in my view he needs to channel that energy into his game. If I were from Tyrone I'd say the same by the way.
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 25, 2011, 09:07:48 PM
Quote from: BerfArmagh on July 25, 2011, 10:32:12 AM
Sean Kavanagh is not the player he was....
Certainly not when he starts the game with some rough lad knocking him to the floor and then others doing the same without the referee giving him his well earned frees. He did some amount of shouting at the referee, the linesmen and the sideline.
Tyrone players arent used to contact from other players normally they just fall themselves ;D ;D ;D
Yes, generally across the finish line at the expense of the applemunchers.
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Quote from: ziggysego on July 25, 2011, 11:30:35 PM
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Should have buried him!
Quote from: Armaghgael on July 25, 2011, 11:33:07 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 25, 2011, 11:30:35 PM
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Should have buried him!
Yeah surprised stevey didn't.
Quote from: Armaghgael on July 25, 2011, 11:33:07 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 25, 2011, 11:30:35 PM
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Should have buried him!
Why. watch the goal on TV. tommy is looking at the crowd behind the goal. he falls over Hearty when he scores and picks himself up. I dont think he looks at Hearty at all.
Quote from: Armaghgael on July 25, 2011, 11:33:07 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 25, 2011, 11:30:35 PM
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He buried him!
it
He buried it alright.
Is a man not allowed to celebrate a goal anymore ?
POR and Stevie are partners in some ceili dance it seems.
A haon, do, tri , cathair, cuig, se, seacht,
A haon do tri, a do do tri !!!!!!
You'd think with the AI minor win of 2009 & u21 a few years earlier Armagh could get a poetry decent panel together . Is there a prob with favouritism among the selectors or is the talent just not there?
Quote from: under the bar on July 26, 2011, 10:58:22 AM
You'd think with the AI minor win of 2009 & u21 a few years earlier Armagh could get a poetry decent panel together . Is there a prob with favouritism among the selectors or is the talent just not there?
Problem is not enough focus on skills development at an early age. Too much emphasis on physical development. Just my opinion for what it's worth (not much to be honest). I saw your development squads over this past few years. The warm ups were hilarious. Like some cross between judo and yoga with not a ball in sight. Minors and u21's too. Some very good players perhaps getting burned out or over coached.
Talent and catchment area with a big enough gaelic playing population is there and a great tradition of gaelic games. You're just paying strength and conditioning boyos too much and they have to continually come up with new vodoo to justify their wages. Just an outsiders view. Feel free to ignore!
Quote from: ziggysego on July 22, 2011, 01:03:30 AM
Apparently the game will be streamed online, here:
http://www.footbo.com/Blogs/73063-watch_Tyrone_vs_Armagh_live_online_streaming (http://www.footbo.com/Blogs/73063-watch_Tyrone_vs_Armagh_live_online_streaming)
meant to ask did anybody try this? did it work?
Quote from: clarshack on July 26, 2011, 04:17:02 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 22, 2011, 01:03:30 AM
Apparently the game will be streamed online, here:
http://www.footbo.com/Blogs/73063-watch_Tyrone_vs_Armagh_live_online_streaming (http://www.footbo.com/Blogs/73063-watch_Tyrone_vs_Armagh_live_online_streaming)
meant to ask did anybody try this? did it work?
My mate did, it didn't.
Quote from: Armaghgael on July 25, 2011, 10:48:42 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 25, 2011, 09:07:48 PM
Quote from: BerfArmagh on July 25, 2011, 10:32:12 AM
Sean Kavanagh is not the player he was....
Certainly not when he starts the game with some rough lad knocking him to the floor and then others doing the same without the referee giving him his well earned frees. He did some amount of shouting at the referee, the linesmen and the sideline.
Tyrone players arent used to contact from other players normally they just fall themselves ;D ;D ;D
2-3 from midfield. Not bad!