Venue bound to be Casement Park but you wouldn't know with the Ulster Council.
Armagh where very impressive last night and I wouldnt be overly confident that we have whats needed to get to our first Ulster Final since 2000. The Armagh midfield in particular looks far to strong for what Derry have and we dont have two men capable of marking Clarke and McDonnell. Unless there are drastic changes to how Derry have shaped up this year then Armagh will win this very handily.
It could well be in Clones but you never with the ulster council.
Who would have made the biggest strides forward form last year?
Armagh I would have said.
Quote from: tyroneman on May 29, 2011, 10:39:57 AM
Who would have made the biggest strides forward form last year?
Armagh I would have said.
nothing could be read into derry's game last week. That game might as well never had happened. It start's now, in 3 weeks time. Revenge for Celtic Park last year ?
Armagh could, and i mean COULD, have reached their peak already in beating their rivals. Will be an interesting game and hard to call at this stage.
Hope to god it's in Clones, Casement sucks the life out of games. If the Ulster Council have their money heads on it will be Clones as they'll get the Bo bridgade to Clones before Casement.
As for the game, i'd agree that we could have peaked for Down, but we could also be on the cusp of something. Armagh wans have long reckoned we have the players and it just needed to be harnassed, POR has got plenty of slagging for his efforts to date but hopefully last night is a sign of things to come.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 29, 2011, 11:18:08 AM
Hope to god it's in Clones, Casement sucks the life out of games. If the Ulster Council have their money heads on it will be Clones as they'll get the Bo bridgade to Clones before Casement.
As for the game, i'd agree that we could have peaked for Down, but we could also be on the cusp of something. Armagh wans have long reckoned we have the players and it just needed to be harnassed, POR has got plenty of slagging for his efforts to date but hopefully last night is a sign of things to come.
i reckon the ulster council will give one semi to clones and one to Belfast.
The Tyr / Mon v Cav / Don semi will be in clones, as will the final obviously, so i cant see them going through a cship and not give a match to Casement.
Unfortunately, you're probably correct.
Derry will be complete outsiders for this game....much in the same way as Armagh were outsiders for the game last night.
Derry are a very young side and we dont have the players we once had so if we were to do what armagh did last night I'd be over the moon.
What I will say though is that Derry will be a lot more attack minded than Down were. Not that Down were defensive, just that we've been in gung-ho attack mode all year and have been racking up good scores. However, defensively we will concede a lot and I can see goals for Armagh. Armagh's MF had a good night last night, but i wouldnt have rated them that highly before that so hopefully we can break even there.
I'd say the game will be in Casement or maybe even Omagh.
What was the attendance last night?
I reckon this thread can hit 45 pages before the summer solstice ;)
we should change this board to armaghgaaboard.com
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This game will be a dogfight IMO and could go either way. Derry will have their homework done after watching last nights game, and Armagh probably wont play as good again (hope Im wrong though!)
Quote from: bennydorano on May 29, 2011, 11:18:08 AM
Hope to god it's in Clones, Casement sucks the life out of games. If the Ulster Council have their money heads on it will be Clones as they'll get the Bo bridgade to Clones before Casement.
Go and pish in your own streets then. Or those in Clones.
How long until Paddy Heaney mentions that Eoin Bradley was the most fouled player in the corresponding fixture last year?
hope to god the ulster council see sense and play the match in casement,best ground in ulster without a doubt with easy access and plenty of good spots for a drink before and after the game,clones is just a pure dump in comparison imo
Quote from: bennydorano on May 29, 2011, 11:18:08 AM
Hope to god it's in Clones, Casement sucks the life out of games. If the Ulster Council have their money heads on it will be Clones as they'll get the Bo bridgade to Clones before Casement.
As for the game, i'd agree that we could have peaked for Down, but we could also be on the cusp of something. Armagh wans have long reckoned we have the players and it just needed to be harnassed, POR has got plenty of slagging for his efforts to date but hopefully last night is a sign of things to come.
Why has Casement no life? Is the pitch is too big?
No idea, I just don't like it, nothing scientific like.
Quote from: isourboydownyet on May 30, 2011, 10:12:49 AM
hope to god the ulster council see sense and play the match in casement,best ground in ulster without a doubt with easy access and plenty of good spots for a drink before and after the game,clones is just a pure dump in comparison imo
+1
and v handy for people who hav place to stay in Belfast because of work/uni, saves the time and expense of a trek to Clones.
Diver to make Vernon look like a wee boy. Where is yer man who was on here a couple years ago startin threads about Vernon being the next Tohill? Hes not even the next Dick Clerkin
I'd have a strong personal preference for Casement given that I live in Belfast during the week but I'd have thought Omagh is as likely as Clones.
Quote from: whiskeysteve on May 30, 2011, 02:56:28 PM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on May 30, 2011, 10:12:49 AM
hope to god the ulster council see sense and play the match in casement,best ground in ulster without a doubt with easy access and plenty of good spots for a drink before and after the game,clones is just a pure dump in comparison imo
+1
and v handy for people who hav place to stay in Belfast because of work/uni, saves the time and expense of a trek to Clones.
Diver to make Vernon look like a wee boy. Where is yer man who was on here a couple years ago startin threads about Vernon being the next Tohill? Hes not even the next Dick Clerkin
Lets hope he doesn't try to break his jaw anyway.
Quote from: Take Your Points on May 29, 2011, 05:54:14 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 29, 2011, 02:51:17 PM
Derry will be complete outsiders for this game....much in the same way as Armagh were outsiders for the game last night.
Derry are a very young side and we dont have the players we once had so if we were to do what armagh did last night I'd be over the moon.
What I will say though is that Derry will be a lot more attack minded than Down were. Not that Down were defensive, just that we've been in gung-ho attack mode all year and have been racking up good scores. However, defensively we will concede a lot and I can see goals for Armagh. Armagh's MF had a good night last night, but i wouldnt have rated them that highly before that so hopefully we can break even there.
I'd say the game will be in Casement or maybe even Omagh.
What was the attendance last night?
Omagh would be excellent given the poor support of the Derry men. Less than 10K in their own backyard last weekend.
just over the 5K actually.
I think they should move the game to croker tbh.
Quote from: isourboydownyet on May 30, 2011, 10:12:49 AM
hope to god the ulster council see sense and play the match in casement,best ground in ulster without a doubt with easy access and plenty of good spots for a drink before and after the game,clones is just a pure dump in comparison imo
i'd agree with that, still want the game moved to croker though!
As long as it's not in North Derry I'll be happy enough ;)
Not much point in bringing this to a big ground. Derry have a poor support and Armagh only brought 3-4000 to a home game against the All Ireland finalists from last year and one of their big rivals - some of their fans cant afford to go to games now, some would rather spend a fortune going to Slane and some would rather watch an English soccer team on tv (the poor Dubs always get hammered for this!).
Quote from: screenexile on May 30, 2011, 09:44:32 PM
As long as it's not in North Derry I'll be happy enough ;)
Celtic Park Screen and you're puying the pints (first round anyway)
I hope there is no Soccer game/Concert on that day for the Bandwagon "Best Fans In The World" to be double-booked.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on May 31, 2011, 10:50:47 AM
I hope there is no Soccer game/Concert on that day for the Bandwagon "Best Fans In The World" to be double-booked.
WUM
you seem very concerned about Armagh
Quote from: saffron sam2 on May 30, 2011, 09:00:49 AM
How long until Paddy Heaney mentions that Eoin Bradley was the most fouled player in the corresponding fixture last year?
:D :D.............he may leave it to the week of the match.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on May 30, 2011, 09:00:49 AM
How long until Paddy Heaney mentions that Eoin Bradley was the most fouled player in the corresponding fixture last year?
not before you have
Would be more than happy with Omagh as the venue, as long as the pitch has firmed a good bit (has it staged many semi's in the past?) or Casement as 2nd preference.
Great game on Sat evening, I hope to blazes Brennan has the homework done. With both teams attack minded and the defences a tad on the leaky side, this could be a real humdinger.
I hate Omagh more than I hate Casement but I'd say that's where it will be played.
lads any confirmation on the date? i heard today the match was on the 26th???
Must be the 19th because the Derry club championship is scheduled for the weekend of the 26th..
I'm home on the 23rd so trying to get a game in when I'm back. Ulster Final could be the 10th of July?
QuoteUlster Final could be the 10th of July?
The TV thread gives the Ulster final as 17 July at 2pm.
Four weeks after the Derry/Armagh game. This puts pressure on the losing team for the final for the qualifiers.
Quote from: The Iceman on May 31, 2011, 05:36:02 PM
lads any confirmation on the date? i heard today the match was on the 26th???
Ulster Senior Football Championship
COMPETITION NAME ROUND TIME VENUE TEAM 1 SCORE TEAM 2 SCORE REFEREE
DATE: SUNDAY 15TH MAY 2011
Ulster GAA Football Senior Championship 2011 Preliminary Round 3 30 PM Ballybofey Donegal 1-10 v Antrim 0-7 Maurice Deegan
DATE: SUNDAY 22ND MAY 2011
Ulster GAA Football Senior Championship 2011 Quarter Final 3 30 PM Celtic Park Derry 1-18 v Fermanagh 1-10 Joe Mc Quillan
DATE: SATURDAY 28TH MAY 2011
Ulster GAA Football Senior Championship 2011 Quarter Final 7 30 PM Morgan Athletic Grounds Armagh 1-15 v Down 1-10 Cormac Reilly
DATE: SUNDAY 5TH JUN 2011
Ulster GAA Football Senior Championship 2011 Quarter Final 3 30 PM Healy Park, Omagh Tyrone --- v Monaghan --- Joe Mc Quillan
DATE: SUNDAY 12TH JUN 2011
Ulster GAA Football Senior Championship 2011 Quarter Final 3 30 PM Kingspan Breffni Pk Cavan --- v Donegal --- Martin Sludden
DATE: SUNDAY 19TH JUN 2011
Ulster GAA Football Senior Championship 2011 Semi Final 2 00 PM Armagh --- v Derry --- TBC
DATE: SUNDAY 26TH JUN 2011
Ulster GAA Football Senior Championship 2011 Semi Final 3 30 PM Donegal / Cavan --- v Tyrone / Monaghan --- TBC
DATE: SUNDAY 17TH JUL 2011
Ulster GAA Football Senior Championship 2011 Final 4 00 PM TBC --- v TBC --- TBC
Quote from: whiskeysteve on May 30, 2011, 02:56:28 PM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on May 30, 2011, 10:12:49 AM
hope to god the ulster council see sense and play the match in casement,best ground in ulster without a doubt with easy access and plenty of good spots for a drink before and after the game,clones is just a pure dump in comparison imo
+1
and v handy for people who hav place to stay in Belfast because of work/uni, saves the time and expense of a trek to Clones.
Diver to make Vernon look like a wee boy. Where is yer man who was on here a couple years ago startin threads about Vernon being the next Tohill? Hes not even the next Dick Clerkin
If he turns out to be the next Paul McGrane we'll be happy enough.
1 All Ireland
1 NFL
7 Anglo Celts
Any word of the venue for this game yet?
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 02, 2011, 02:04:53 PM
Any word of the venue for this game yet?
according to today's Irish News both semi venues wont be announced until next week (didn't specify which day)
Barry Dillon, Derry assistant manager, is saying Omagh would make good sense. I think most people on here would think that too. Would it not attract more neutrals too, than saying Casement or Clones ? You know how the tyronies love their football. (No love for Derry or Armagh obviously, just football)
There are a lot of potential neutrals in Belfast too. Remember that Armagh v Derry attracted 27,000 there in 2005, albeit at a time when when crowds were much bigger. But even half that would a big crowd for a game involving Derry.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 02, 2011, 02:47:10 PM
There are a lot of potential neutrals in Belfast too. Remember that Armagh v Derry attracted 27,000 there in 2005, albeit at a time when when crowds were much bigger. But even half that would a big crowd for a game involving Derry.
Potentially better atmosphere in Omagh though, Casement is never going to be filled, Healy possibly would
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on June 02, 2011, 02:57:27 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 02, 2011, 02:47:10 PM
There are a lot of potential neutrals in Belfast too. Remember that Armagh v Derry attracted 27,000 there in 2005, albeit at a time when when crowds were much bigger. But even half that would a big crowd for a game involving Derry.
Potentially better atmosphere in Omagh though, Casement is never going to be filled, Healy possibly would
I'd prefer Omagh myself. So now that's decided, the powers that be better take note and fix it for there! :)
Interesting to read other counties like playing at Omagh as most Tyrone fans don't like it when we play there.
Do you not think its very slow to get in & out of & there is not many pubs around the ground?
The pitch itself is far from a perfect sod.
too many rednecks for my liking in omagh (well what do you expect in the hilbilly red arse county ).
Prefer the gme to be in clones. Never liked casement, prob because it is in belfast.
Hearing it will defo be on in omagh though. Wouldnt risk driving my decent car through the town let alone parking there. ;)
Quote from: armaghniac on June 02, 2011, 02:47:10 PM
There are a lot of potential neutrals in Belfast too. Remember that Armagh v Derry attracted 27,000 there in 2005, albeit at a time when when crowds were much bigger. But even half that would a big crowd for a game involving Derry.
Are you sure there was 27,000 at this?
(27,633)
ARMAGH 1-11 DERRY 0-10
Thrills, not too many. Spills, surprisingly few for an Ulster football semi-final. It was set up nicely at Casement Park last Sunday. Sunshine, 28,000 spectators in the ground, and a revitalized Derry ready to take on the provincial champions.
Instead, the game turned out to be something of a tepid affair.
Armagh did enough to book their place against Tyrone, and crucially they scored the only goal when sub John Toal finished to the net in the 17th minute of the second half after Aaron Kernan's shot had been blocked.
As for Derry, they are still ruing a total of 14 wides.
With the threat of trouble simmering just below the surface, referee Michael Monahan, was keeping the players on an extremely tight leash. In the end, he flashed the yellow card 10 times, but no one was sent on the long walk.
While Armagh struggled to find their best rhythm – they had to look to subs Tony McEntee and Toal for inspiration – Derry needed Enda Muldoon to be more on his game, however, the usually reliable attacker looked too much like a player on the way back from injury.
Derry were in control for long periods of the first half as Paddy Bradley, Eoin Bradley and Mark Lynch put the Armagh defenders under intense pressure.
But for all their possession, Derry still turned over trailing by 0-6 to 0-4. "We missed at least six or seven chances," said manager Mickey Moran, "and we could have been ahead at half time. We're down in the dumps and hurting big-time. Last year we had no excuses, but this time we can say a little bit of luck didn't go with us."
The sides were level at 0-7 apiece 13 minutes into the second half, but then in a brief spell following the introduction of McEntee and Toal, Armagh scored 1-3 without reply.
Joe Kernan, who watched the action from the stand as he was serving a one-match touchline ban, agreed that the pair made a major impact from off the bench.
"It shows the caliber of boys we have that they can take a disappointment – and it's a big disappointment not to start for this team – and then to come on and show what they can do."
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Casement Clones it will be ...
Quote from: regal on June 02, 2011, 04:12:25 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 02, 2011, 02:47:10 PM
There are a lot of potential neutrals in Belfast too. Remember that Armagh v Derry attracted 27,000 there in 2005, albeit at a time when when crowds were much bigger. But even half that would a big crowd for a game involving Derry.
Are you sure there was 27,000 at this?
Was that not a ridiculously sunny day and people dandered in just for the sake of it?
I know that when Derry beat Armagh in 2007 we still talk about the 'faithful fifty' . So there were very few at that one!
Quote from: whiskeysteve on May 30, 2011, 02:56:28 PM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on May 30, 2011, 10:12:49 AM
hope to god the ulster council see sense and play the match in casement,best ground in ulster without a doubt with easy access and plenty of good spots for a drink before and after the game,clones is just a pure dump in comparison imo
+1
and v handy for people who hav place to stay in Belfast because of work/uni, saves the time and expense of a trek to Clones.
Diver to make Vernon look like a wee boy. Where is yer man who was on here a couple years ago startin threads about Vernon being the next Tohill? Hes not even the next Dick Clerkin
You could be eating your words methinks.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on May 31, 2011, 10:50:47 AM
I hope there is no Soccer game/Concert on that day for the Bandwagon "Best Fans In The World" to be double-booked.
yawwwnnnnnnn
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 02, 2011, 04:04:34 PM
too many rednecks for my liking in omagh (well what do you expect in the hilbilly red arse county ).
Prefer the gme to be in clones. Never liked casement, prob because it is in belfast.
Hearing it will defo be on in omagh though. Wouldnt risk driving my decent car through the town let alone parking there. ;)
Dungiven mans idea of a decent car:
Twin cam sur!
D-Turbo sur!
;)
Hope the match is in Casement, might not be many days left when you can't stand on the terrace having got in on an out of date student card. Ah the summer.....
Quote from: andoireabu on June 02, 2011, 08:10:15 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 02, 2011, 04:04:34 PM
too many rednecks for my liking in omagh (well what do you expect in the hilbilly red arse county ).
Prefer the gme to be in clones. Never liked casement, prob because it is in belfast.
Hearing it will defo be on in omagh though. Wouldnt risk driving my decent car through the town let alone parking there. ;)
Dungiven mans idea of a decent car:
Twin cam sur!
D-Turbo sur!
;)
Hope the match is in Casement, might not be many days left when you can't stand on the terrace having got in on an out of date student card. Ah the summer.....
lynchie is from Bangher hi. I also assume the student card thing isnt about him, cause it would be well out of date
QuoteI'm not a Tyronie or from Derry and I think Omagh would be the best option for a good atmosphere and with the new A4 road, it is much easier for Armagh people to get to Omagh, now just 16 miles from the end of the motorway/dual carriageway.
What about the fans from the true GAA heartlands of Armagh, who have never been on the A4 (other than on the approach to Enniskillen perhaps)?
That said, Omagh may have non fascist stewards.
Quote from: screenexile on June 02, 2011, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: regal on June 02, 2011, 04:12:25 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 02, 2011, 02:47:10 PM
There are a lot of potential neutrals in Belfast too. Remember that Armagh v Derry attracted 27,000 there in 2005, albeit at a time when when crowds were much bigger. But even half that would a big crowd for a game involving Derry.
Are you sure there was 27,000 at this?
Was that not a ridiculously sunny day and people dandered in just for the sake of it?
I know that when Derry beat Armagh in 2007 we still talk about the 'faithful fifty' . So there were very few at that one!
Fairly sure there was at least 300 of us there that day, sure armagh only brung about 19,000 think their numbers were impacted by the first nadal v federer wimbledon final which was on that day. 3-2 to fed iirc.
Casement for me or I'll not be there I don't think.
Quote from: Bluebell on June 05, 2011, 07:07:51 PM
Ulster senior football semi final between Derry and Armagh is at Clones on Sunday 19th June at 2pm. With the cost of fuel, food and tickets the ideal venue was Casement or Omagh not Clones. This decision may backfire on the ulster council.
surely your joking. disgrace if it is
Why hoof?
2 decent halfway venues in Casement + Omagh, read this thread from the start and you will hear the various reasons. For a poor travelling support like Derry, this news wont encourage them to go. and as Bluebell says it could be an og by the ulster council as regards financial rewards for them
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 02, 2011, 04:55:20 PM
Quote from: whiskeysteve on May 30, 2011, 02:56:28 PM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on May 30, 2011, 10:12:49 AM
hope to god the ulster council see sense and play the match in casement,best ground in ulster without a doubt with easy access and plenty of good spots for a drink before and after the game,clones is just a pure dump in comparison imo
+1
and v handy for people who hav place to stay in Belfast because of work/uni, saves the time and expense of a trek to Clones.
Diver to make Vernon look like a wee boy. Where is yer man who was on here a couple years ago startin threads about Vernon being the next Tohill? Hes not even the next Dick Clerkin
You could be eating your words methinks.
too easy ;D. of course hes fuppin better than Dick Turpin
Quote from: Onion Bag on June 05, 2011, 07:33:38 PM
Why hoof?
170 mile round trip for supporters from our club anyway and I would imagine about 120 mile round trip for South Derry patrons also.
sure diesel costs nothin these days ::)
a contemptible decision
Quote from: Bluebell on June 05, 2011, 07:07:51 PM
Ulster senior football semi final between Derry and Armagh is at Clones on Sunday 19th June at 2pm. With the cost of fuel, food and tickets the ideal venue was Casement or Omagh not Clones. This decision may backfire on the ulster council.
What possible backfire could there be ??? The Derry hordes voting with their feet? :P
BBC have just confirmed that 2 semi's will be played in the dump. throw in the final too and and the businesses in clones will be licking their lips.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on June 05, 2011, 08:38:09 PM
BBC have just confirmed that 2 semi's will be played in the dump. throw in the final too and and the businesses in clones will be licking their lips.
I know it'll cost me more to go to Clones and it'll take me longer to get home but I love going there. Hope the weather is good on the 19th!!
Stupid hateful f*ckin Ulster Council c*nts. Will it be all-ticket does anyone know?
Quote from: sheamy on June 05, 2011, 09:04:04 PM
Stupid hateful f*ckin Ulster Council c*nts. Will it be all-ticket does anyone know?
probably just for the main stand. cant imagine them being scarce
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on June 05, 2011, 09:07:12 PM
Quote from: sheamy on June 05, 2011, 09:04:04 PM
Stupid hateful f*ckin Ulster Council c*nts. Will it be all-ticket does anyone know?
probably just for the main stand. cant imagine them being scarce
standing room only I'd say. 10,000 max at a push. Whiskey got it right. Contempt is the word that best describes how these people treat supporters. 'Land of the Giants' my hole.
Given that the match has to be neutral, wouldn't the two only options be Belfast or Clones? Would belfast have been any more convenient? I would have thought it would be half a dozen and six of the rest?
Omagh would be too small wouldn't it?
Have to say though, I wish we had your problem, we'll happy swap qualifier round 1 with you if you wish 8)?
The Ulster council should hurry up with spending the £40m on Casement so it would be capable of hosting games of this magnitude.
Clones is the home of Ulster football and has the capacity that an all ticket game will not be needed.
I was takling to a steward today at the Monaghan vs Tyrone game and he told me this morning that Casment Park is ruled out.So it will either be Clones or Omagh
Yet again these full-time paid officials treat us with the paying punt with contempt. How the f**k do they continually get away with this shite. The Ulster Clowncill
Really can't fathom this decision at all. Surely the Ulster Council are supposed to try to maximise attendances/revenue at the games. This will definitely impact on the attendance.
Must say I'm delighted with the decision!
They probably, reasonably, thought that more people would come to watch Fermanagh minors than Derry.
As a Derry man, I find it very embarrassing with all the crying and whinging about venues. Clones is a great venue, with plenty of atmosphere, not like that run down dump in Belfast with stewards bossing you about as though you wre sh*t.
Sure our supporters even cry about our own home venue which is one of the best stadiums in Ulster. There are posters on here crying about Clones who stayed at home for the Fermanagh game and watched kit on TV.
Rant over, get to Clones and support your county.
Quote from: FERDIE on June 05, 2011, 11:34:08 PM
As a Derry man, I find it very embarrassing with all the crying and whinging about venues. Clones is a great venue, with plenty of atmosphere, not like that run down dump in Belfast with stewards bossing you about as though you wre sh*t.
Sure our supporters even cry about our own home venue which is one of the best stadiums in Ulster. There are posters on here crying about Clones who stayed at home for the Fermanagh game and watched kit on TV.
Rant over, get to Clones and support your county.
good one
Clones wtf? Park in a field, nowhere good to eat, 5 + hours round trip.
So how are these decisions made and generally on what basis? Is it made public or all behind closed doors (old school) :-\ ?
Of course they want an Armagh Tyrone final. Not only is it traditional, but it would be full!
Quote from: Rav67 on June 05, 2011, 11:12:04 PM
Really can't fathom this decision at all. Surely the Ulster Council are supposed to try to maximise attendances/revenue at the games. This will definitely impact on the attendance.
maybe its to do with paying 20% of the takings in vat to HMRC whilst not paying any vat in the south
I have been told that for Health and safety reasons Casement Park is ruled out, Something to do with the stand.. Omagh was in the mix but Clones was preferred . Armagh have played Derry more often in Clones in the championship than anywhere else in recent years.
1975 Omagh ... Ulster Semi final
!976 Omagh........ulster semi final
!977 Clones ....... Ulster Final.
!987 Clones......... Ulster final
!995 Armagh....... Ulster first round
1996 Celtic Park Derry first round
1998 Clones ....Ulster semi final
!999Clones ..... Ulster semi final
2000.Clones ....Ulster final
2005 Casement park.......Ulster semi final
2007 Clones.......First round qualifier
2010 Celtic Park Derry.......First round Ulster.
There maybe a few Ive missed but out of the twelve championship games six have been played Six in Clones One in Casement. Two in Omagh and the rest at home and away venues.
The last time armagh beat Down and went on to play Derry ,Armagh were beat by 7 points in Clones 1998.
I like Clones it's a day out and i know our club will run a bus and the pubs are lively and there are venues to get a good bite to eat... Much better than Omagh and Casement.. For me (and its only my opinion) Clones has that championship feel about it . It's special. Casement or Omagh dont have that a[ppeal for me .
Quote from: FERDIE on June 05, 2011, 11:34:08 PM
As a Derry man, I find it very embarrassing with all the crying and whinging about venues. Clones is a great venue, with plenty of atmosphere, not like that run down dump in Belfast with stewards bossing you about as though you wre sh*t.
Sure our supporters even cry about our own home venue which is one of the best stadiums in Ulster. There are posters on here crying about Clones who stayed at home for the Fermanagh game and watched kit on TV.
Rant over, get to Clones and support your county.
Well said FERDIE
Clones is a much better venue, and the town contributes to the whole occasion. The atmosphere starts as soon as the church spire is in sight.
Casement has no atmosphere outside of the ground.
But in this instance, when money is tight for everyone and revenue should be shared, I'd much prefer the match was in Casement. Perhaps someone can explain why both semi-finals are in Clones.
To the Useless Ulster Council - please register me as a dissatisfied customer.
Clones is a hole.
I hate the place and from a derry perspective it gives Armagh an even bigger advantage.
We were already going to struggle and I think this is now practically a home game for Armagh and so our chances are reduced again.
The pessimist in me thinks the Ulster Council are trying to ensure Tyrone v Armagh final for a big payday.
I can see a lot of fans staying away from the game now due to the distance and associated cost of travelling. I'll still go myself but I think its a terrible decision to play the game there. Someone mentioned atmosphere....what atmosphere is there in a half full stadium? Omagh would have been the perfect location IMO.....
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 06, 2011, 03:06:31 PM
Clones is a hole.
I hate the place and from a derry perspective it gives Armagh an even bigger advantage.
We were already going to struggle and I think this is now practically a home game for Armagh and so our chances are reduced again.
The pessimist in me thinks the Ulster Council are trying to ensure Tyrone v Armagh final for a big payday.
I can see a lot of fans staying away from the game now due to the distance and associated cost of travelling. I'll still go myself but I think its a terrible decision to play the game there. Someone mentioned atmosphere....what atmosphere is there in a half full stadium? Omagh would have been the perfect location IMO.....
Omagh is a hole that even quite a number of the Tyrone posters don't rate. Omagh would be a couple of hours away from the heartlands of South Armagh. Casement, although I don't like it myself, would have been a good compromise.
I think a few of you Derry boys are getting the excuses in early..........do ye not remember the last time the two teams met in Clones??
Quote from: mackers on June 06, 2011, 03:37:51 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 06, 2011, 03:06:31 PM
Clones is a hole.
I hate the place and from a derry perspective it gives Armagh an even bigger advantage.
We were already going to struggle and I think this is now practically a home game for Armagh and so our chances are reduced again.
The pessimist in me thinks the Ulster Council are trying to ensure Tyrone v Armagh final for a big payday.
I can see a lot of fans staying away from the game now due to the distance and associated cost of travelling. I'll still go myself but I think its a terrible decision to play the game there. Someone mentioned atmosphere....what atmosphere is there in a half full stadium? Omagh would have been the perfect location IMO.....
Omagh is a hole that even quite a number of the Tyrone posters don't rate. Omagh would be a couple of hours away from the heartlands of South Armagh. Casement, although I don't like it myself, would have been a good compromise.
I think a few of you Derry boys are getting the excuses in early..........do ye not remember the last time the two teams met in Clones??
I remember it surely, I was one of the 500!
Omagh wouldnt be that close to parts of Derry either but I'd have been happy with Casement too...but again it would probably have been too big.
This Derry team is not as good as the team we had the last time we played Armagh in Clones....however we have a better manager. I'd be very surprised if we got a result....but the choice of venue has made it even more difficult for us.
Casement was the obvious choice, 45 minutes from Maghera and a half hour from Lurgan but if it genuinely wasn't available then there can't be too much complaint about Clones over Derry. To describe it as "practically a home game for Armagh" is ludicrous.
think there would have been a half decent crowd (in terms of Derry support) if the club championships had not been fixed for the weekend after the semi-final. anyone involved in those games will hardly be going on the beer for it never mind being bothered with the trek there...
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 06, 2011, 05:14:29 PM
Casement was the obvious choice, 45 minutes from Maghera and a half hour from Lurgan but if it genuinely wasn't available then there can't be too much complaint about Clones over Derry. To describe it as "practically a home game for Armagh" is ludicrous.
It is 30 mins from Armagh City and correct me if I'm wrong but did Armagh not play all their home Championship games there while the Athletic Grounds was being redeveloped?? It is far from a ludicrous notion!!
Some serious whinging going on, I mean are we talking about Australian style distances to traverse or what? Dry them and get on with it ffs.
Quote from: screenexile on June 06, 2011, 08:49:00 PM
correct me if I'm wrong but did Armagh not play all their home Championship games there while the Athletic Grounds was being redeveloped??
You are wrong.
Quote from: screenexile on June 06, 2011, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 06, 2011, 05:14:29 PM
Casement was the obvious choice, 45 minutes from Maghera and a half hour from Lurgan but if it genuinely wasn't available then there can't be too much complaint about Clones over Derry. To describe it as "practically a home game for Armagh" is ludicrous.
It is 30 mins from Armagh City and correct me if I'm wrong but did Armagh not play all their home Championship games there while the Athletic Grounds was being redeveloped?? It is far from a ludicrous notion!!
While they might have played a few games there does not mean it was there home venue. Since the Down game it was well over a decade since Armagh played a home game. When Armagh were playing all summer, all Armagh fans had to travel to other counties to play watch Armagh play giving up home advantage on ever occassion.
Nah fcuk that why shouldn't I vent my frustration about this decision. Omagh or Casement would suit me and the majority of Derry fans more than Clones and if Casement is not fit for it then Omagh should have got it. It will cost a clean fortune in Diesel and probably be another €30 to watch the match with it being in Clones.
This decision stinks and just because we don't have a big support we are being punished for it. Only 15,000 went to the Athletic Grounds for Armagh v Down and Healy Park comfortably holds 25,000 so there is no sane reason why we should have to go to f**king Clones!!! Whatever about Armagh having played more games there it's irrelevant anyway the decision stinks from a supporters point of view and I'll be fucked if I'm going to let the Ulster Council rip me off!!
Quote from: screenexile on June 06, 2011, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 06, 2011, 05:14:29 PM
Casement was the obvious choice, 45 minutes from Maghera and a half hour from Lurgan but if it genuinely wasn't available then there can't be too much complaint about Clones over Derry. To describe it as "practically a home game for Armagh" is ludicrous.
It is 30 mins from Armagh City and correct me if I'm wrong but did Armagh not play all their home Championship games there while the Athletic Grounds was being redeveloped?? It is far from a ludicrous notion!!
In a helicopter maybe..................it takes an hour without any traffic..........it takes an hour and a half from Dromintee and Killeavy.............hardly a home venue.
Quote from: screenexile on June 06, 2011, 09:58:29 PM
Only 15,000 went to the Athletic Grounds for Armagh v Down
You're conveniently forgetting about the clash with the CL final (and more importantly Slane :P) which clearly affected the attendance at that game.
It is certainly a strange decision, seems to add about an hour onto journeys from Derry compared to Omagh. Hadn't realised it was as much as that to be honest. Clones is slightly more convenient for those from South Armagh, very little difference between the two from Armagh city while the Lurgan folk would prefer Omagh distance-wise.
Derry will have a small support there, predominantly because they don't have many supporters. Of course some will be put off by the inappropriate venue choice but others will simply use it as an excuse. My own view is that it is an unexpected pleasure to be planning such a journey.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 06, 2011, 10:38:21 PM
My own view is that it is an unexpected pleasure to be planning such a journey.
Aye its like winning 2 tickets to Monte Carlo
at least it's not in Celtic Park....
QuoteHealy Park comfortably holds 25,000
It certainly does not. I doubt if its official capacity exceeds 17000 or so. Consequently if it were used the probable capacity would exceed 80% and so the game would have to be all ticket, with all of the hassle that entails.
As for the cost of diesel, the reduced cost of this in Monaghan would cover the extra distance.
I guess with less money around we will just have lower attendances. The first time I remember any game in Ulster championship being all-ticket was Armagh vs Down in 1992. As I remember in the 80s we used to just turn up and pay, even for Ulster finals to the terrace. I also just paid at the gate for the All-Ireland semi's in 1991 & 1994. Then an economic boom came and stadiums were full. I think we are just returning to how things were about 15-20 years ago.
If capacities are down then we could easily look at smaller grounds like Healy Park. Alternatively we could say that an Ulster semi is no bigger a game than a ulster quarter final (for attendance anyway). Is Armagh vs Derry bigger than Armagh vs Down, or Tyrone vs Monaghan bigger than Tyrone vs Donegal? I'd say roughly equal and of equal standard too. If so then maybe home advantage should be drawn for every game up to the final. It would be harsh on the "away" team but it could be followed up the next year by guaranteeing a home draw the following year. At least you wouldn't have two sets of fans having to travel for every semi-final.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 07, 2011, 12:03:15 AM
QuoteHealy Park comfortably holds 25,000
It certainly does not. I doubt if its official capacity exceeds 17000 or so. Consequently if it were used the probable capacity would exceed 80% and so the game would have to be all ticket, with all of the hassle that entails.
As for the cost of diesel, the reduced cost of this in Monaghan would cover the extra distance.
http://www.ulstercollegesgaa.org/venues/healy-park/
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2011, 08:52:39 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 06, 2011, 08:49:00 PM
correct me if I'm wrong but did Armagh not play all their home Championship games there while the Athletic Grounds was being redeveloped??
You are wrong.
Well, surely it is true that Clones was Armagh's designated "home" venue over the last 15 years in the Ulster championship? And the only reason why last year's game against Monaghan was in Casement is because Armagh didn't want to play their own home game in Monaghan.
Omagh would have been more than capable of holding this game, even if it only holds 18k. Derry v Fermanagh: 6k, Armagh v Down: 13k, Tyrone v Monaghan: 10k. There'll be no more than 15k at it.
Venue choice probably won't have much bearing on the game itself as Derry have a bad record everywhere. But this decision is certainly a huge disadvantage to Derry fans and that's the issue here.
Looking forward to this one. Just hope we (armagh) dont do what we done last year after beating Derry and totally collapse in the next round.
The reasons for the venue choice are very simple (imo)
How many 'covered seats' at casement v clones? Back of the envelope calculation tells you the Ulster Council make more profit from the expensive £30 (or whatever they will be) covered stand tickets. They weigh that up against potential loss from a few supporters staying away because of the distance. All understandable from a profit point of view IF you are running a business for shareholders where the bottom line is king.
However, these people need to realise they are not running a business. The GAA is owned by the club members and the supporters, not the paid administrators looking to increase a share price for some investor.
Fair enough, their mantra which they choose to put in every programme going, is that they invest 86.483822% back into grassroots. They deserve credit for that.
However, they make a hash of promoting what should be the showpiece of our games to the wider public through cynical practices like this and the cost of tickets. These people need to wake up. I think Colm O'Rourke said as much recently too.
'Profit before the public' should be their new mantra.
Might the Ulster council not want to have more covered seats for the comfort of supporters, many of whom will complain vociferously if they don't get them and the weather remains as it is?
But this "simple" theory doesn't hold up as there as as many covered seats in Omagh.
Quote'Profit before the public' should be their new mantra.
Perhaps it is? Perhaps they wish to avoid an all ticket game in Omagh where kids could not be allowed in free?
Quote from: armaghniac on June 07, 2011, 07:07:43 PM
Might the Ulster council not want to have more covered seats for the comfort of supporters, many of whom will complain vociferously if they don't get them and the weather remains as it is?
But this "simple" theory doesn't hold up as there as as many covered seats in Omagh.
Quote'Profit before the public' should be their new mantra.
Perhaps it is? Perhaps they wish to avoid an all ticket game in Omagh where kids could not be allowed in free?
I never mentioned Omagh. It wouldn't fill Omagh anyway but that's another story. You think they'd need to issue 25k tickets for Omagh given attendances this year? Seriously? I'd say it's more to do with the VAT rate to be honest i.e. back to my central point.
And the other reason is they don't want people to get wet? I understand what you're saying but don't buy it. Not much comfort in parking in a field, walking 2 mile to the pitch (at which point if it's raining you're pretty damn wet anyway), and then sitting in traffic in Monaghan for an hour on the way home :-)
We'll agree to disagree on that.
QuoteI never mentioned Omagh.
Well, where did you suggest? Casement is out of consideration, apparently, and no doubt they do not want to spend money fixing the problem when the whole kip will be demolished shortly. So you are left with Omagh. This idea of Healy Park holding 25,000 is Wikipedia nonsense. In 2009, the capacity was stated as 18500.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 07, 2011, 07:55:17 PM
QuoteI never mentioned Omagh.
Well, where did you suggest? Casement is out of consideration, apparently, and no doubt they do not want to spend money fixing the problem when the whole kip will be demolished shortly. So you are left with Omagh. This idea of Healy Park holding 25,000 is Wikipedia nonsense. In 2009, the capacity was stated as 18500.
what is this "problem"? The antrim county chairman didn't seem to be aware of "the problem" in the Irish News today...I wonder if we'll ever be enlightened.
Looks like family and stand tickets only for this one, the rest pay at the turnstiles.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 07, 2011, 07:55:17 PM
QuoteI never mentioned Omagh.
Well, where did you suggest? Casement is out of consideration, apparently, and no doubt they do not want to spend money fixing the problem when the whole kip will be demolished shortly. So you are left with Omagh. This idea of Healy Park holding 25,000 is Wikipedia nonsense. In 2009, the capacity was stated as 18500.
That was the capacity then alright and if it's not been increased, Omagh couldn't have been considered for this game.
Why Clones was chosen is probably financial and the VAT concession granted by the Irish Revenue, but not replicated by the HMRC is probably the main reason. Tbh, you'd wonder why any ground in the six get games.
With regards Casement being out of operation - are Antrim not due to play Westmeath in Casement in the coming weeks ahead? I don't see how the argument that Casement wasn't available due to health and safety or for whatever other reason holds up if this is the case?
Well they started it. You couldn't watch them Mexicans or their apple eating neighbours... ;)
Quote from: screenmachine on June 08, 2011, 01:14:20 PM
With regards Casement being out of operation - are Antrim not due to play Westmeath in Casement in the coming weeks ahead? I don't see how the argument that Casement wasn't available due to health and safety or for whatever other reason holds up if this is the case?
Sure there was something in the Irish News the other day with someone from Casement saying they were disappointed for not getting the game so obviously there is nothing wrong with the ground.
On a football matter Paddy Power have Armagh at 5/6 and Derry at 5/4, which is prob not far away. TBH i hate when Armagh are favourites for a game, we tend to play better when written off ;)
Don't agree with those odds at all.
We have lost our best defender and best forward to injury (Gerard O'Kane and Paddy B) and our best midfielder (Fergal Doherty) can't commit this year.
Throw in our semi-final record against Armaghs, the strength of our quarter final victory against Armaghs, and those odds are miserly for a Derry punt.
The one hope clung to is this mystical 'Brennan Factor'. I will be very surprised if we turn Armagh over (not shocked though)
2/1 for Derry would be more like it.
Quote from: whiskeysteve on June 08, 2011, 05:14:57 PM
Don't agree with those odds at all.
We have lost our best defender and best forward to injury (Gerard O'Kane and Paddy B) and our best midfielder (Fergal Doherty) can't commit this year.
Throw in our semi-final record against Armaghs, the strength of our quarter final victory against Armaghs, and those odds are miserly for a Derry punt.
The one hope clung to is this mystical 'Brennan Factor'. I will be very surprised if we turn Armagh over (not shocked though)
2/1 for Derry would be more like it.
is gerard o kane injured
Quote from: whiskeysteve on June 08, 2011, 05:14:57 PM
Don't agree with those odds at all.
We have lost our best defender and best forward to injury (Gerard O'Kane and Paddy B) and our best midfielder (Fergal Doherty) can't commit this year.
Throw in our semi-final record against Armaghs, the strength of our quarter final victory against Armaghs, and those odds are miserly for a Derry punt.
The one hope clung to is this mystical 'Brennan Factor'. I will be very surprised if we turn Armagh over (not shocked though)
2/1 for Derry would be more like it.
I'd agree that the bookies have this one wrongly priced up, on all known evidence Armagh should be around 1/2. Thats said, I won't be conceding hope, there's always the Brennan factor and we've a few boys who can still play a wee bit of football.
Quote from: Bogball XV on June 09, 2011, 10:49:01 AM
Quote from: whiskeysteve on June 08, 2011, 05:14:57 PM
Don't agree with those odds at all.
We have lost our best defender and best forward to injury (Gerard O'Kane and Paddy B) and our best midfielder (Fergal Doherty) can't commit this year.
Throw in our semi-final record against Armaghs, the strength of our quarter final victory against Armaghs, and those odds are miserly for a Derry punt.
The one hope clung to is this mystical 'Brennan Factor'. I will be very surprised if we turn Armagh over (not shocked though)
2/1 for Derry would be more like it.
I'd agree that the bookies have this one wrongly priced up, on all known evidence Armagh should be around 1/2. Thats said, I won't be conceding hope, there's always the Brennan factor and we've a few boys who can still play a wee bit of football.
Depends on which Armagh shows up, the one from the Down game or Derry game last year. Big game and result in the balance.
Quote from: whiskeysteve on June 08, 2011, 05:14:57 PM
Don't agree with those odds at all.
We have lost our best defender and best forward to injury (Gerard O'Kane and Paddy B) and our best midfielder (Fergal Doherty) can't commit this year.
Throw in our semi-final record against Armaghs, the strength of our quarter final victory against Armaghs, and those odds are miserly for a Derry punt.
The one hope clung to is this mystical 'Brennan Factor'. I will be very surprised if we turn Armagh over (not shocked though)
2/1 for Derry would be more like it.
Again to get the record straight. Brennan has never once spoken directly either by phone or in a one-one to Fergal Doherty about being invovled with the county team this year and that my friend is a fact.
Quote from: shawshank on June 09, 2011, 11:49:48 AM
Quote from: whiskeysteve on June 08, 2011, 05:14:57 PM
Don't agree with those odds at all.
We have lost our best defender and best forward to injury (Gerard O'Kane and Paddy B) and our best midfielder (Fergal Doherty) can't commit this year.
Throw in our semi-final record against Armaghs, the strength of our quarter final victory against Armaghs, and those odds are miserly for a Derry punt.
The one hope clung to is this mystical 'Brennan Factor'. I will be very surprised if we turn Armagh over (not shocked though)
2/1 for Derry would be more like it.
Again to get the record straight. Brennan has never once spoken directly either by phone or in a one-one to Fergal Doherty about being invovled with the county team this year and that my friend is a fact.
I made no mention of Brennans approaches to him ??? (or lack of them)
Quote from: shawshank on June 09, 2011, 11:49:48 AM
Quote from: whiskeysteve on June 08, 2011, 05:14:57 PM
Don't agree with those odds at all.
We have lost our best defender and best forward to injury (Gerard O'Kane and Paddy B) and our best midfielder (Fergal Doherty) can't commit this year.
Throw in our semi-final record against Armaghs, the strength of our quarter final victory against Armaghs, and those odds are miserly for a Derry punt.
The one hope clung to is this mystical 'Brennan Factor'. I will be very surprised if we turn Armagh over (not shocked though)
2/1 for Derry would be more like it.
Again to get the record straight. Brennan has never once spoken directly either by phone or in a one-one to Fergal Doherty about being invovled with the county team this year and that my friend is a fact.
Well let's break this down a little further then. Why would John Brennan not approach Fergal Doc, knowing full well how key a member of the team he is/was, and knowing that this would leave us seriously thin in the midfield area?
Why would he do that?
Brennan is the only person who knows that, would you care to ask him?
I'm fairly confident Derry will beat Armagh based on a few factors:
1. Armagh are getting a bit too much praise for beating a vastly overrated Down team, and I think they might be a wee bit complacent going into this match.
2. Brennan was canny enough to make a convincing victory for Derry sound like a dreadful day at the office, to make sure the players come out firing against Armagh rather than the usual Derry habit of one good performance followed by one dreadful performance.
3. I think this is potentially the best all round Derry forward line in a few years, despite what many are saying. There's a bit of everything - scorers, high fielders, hard workers, and clever creative players. Armagh have Clarke, Padden and an aging McDonnell, and nothing else in my opinion.
Derry by 5 ;)
Don't matter where the game is at I'l be there. The big majority of the Derry fans in Clones will be the friends and families of the players who get 'free' tickets for the game and in this regard the U C will have plenty of good seats as compared to Casement
Quote from: The Stallion on June 09, 2011, 08:03:38 PM
I'm fairly confident Derry will beat Armagh based on a few factors:
1. Armagh are getting a bit too much praise for beating a vastly overrated Down team, and I think they might be a wee bit complacent going into this match.
2. Brennan was canny enough to make a convincing victory for Derry sound like a dreadful day at the office, to make sure the players come out firing against Armagh rather than the usual Derry habit of one good performance followed by one dreadful performance.
3. I think this is potentially the best all round Derry forward line in a few years, despite what many are saying. There's a bit of everything - scorers, high fielders, hard workers, and clever creative players. Armagh have Clarke, Padden and an aging McDonnell, and nothing else in my opinion.
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And possibly the worst defence and most mediocre mid-field since 1990
Quote from: borderfox on June 09, 2011, 08:16:09 PM
Derry by 5 ;)
At least.
This Stallion boy has it right. Everything points to a Derry win:
Armagh peaked for Down and sure Down are shite anyway.
Armagh only beat Derry last year because of Jamie Clarke's disgraceful push on Kevin McGuckin.
Derry beat Armagh easily the last time the teams met in Clones.
Derry are dying to stick two fingers up at the world and the Ulster Council for making them go allllllllll the way to Clones for this game.
Derry probably have the best manager in Ulster, if not the country. Armagh's manager is useless and if it wasn't for Oisin McConville and Paul McGrane they wouldn't even being playing this game.
Armagh don't have many good forwards, especially with Ronan Clarke, Gareth Swift and Ger Houlihan unavailable.
Quote from: AFS on June 09, 2011, 08:58:09 PM
Quote from: borderfox on June 09, 2011, 08:16:09 PM
Derry by 5 ;)
At least.
This Stallion boy has it right. Everything points to a Derry win:
Armagh peaked for Down and sure Down are shite anyway.
Armagh only beat Derry last year because of Jamie Clarke's disgraceful push on Kevin McGuckin.
Derry beat Armagh easily the last time the teams met in Clones.
Derry are dying to stick two fingers up at the world and the Ulster Council for making them go allllllllll the way to Clones for this game.
Derry probably have the best manager in Ulster, if not the country. Armagh's manager is useless and if it wasn't for Oisin McConville and Paul McGrane they wouldn't even being playing this game.
Armagh don't have many good forwards, especially with Ronan Clarke, Gareth Swift and Ger Houlihan unavailable.
definitely agree with this in fact why should armagh turn up we will get stuffed, everything points to a derry win
I think contact has been made with Doherty, the problem is the method of contact. If you want a key player back pick up the phone or go visit the man. I don't know his reasons for not going back but you can hardly blame him...
Quote from: AFS on June 09, 2011, 08:58:09 PM
Quote from: borderfox on June 09, 2011, 08:16:09 PM
Derry by 5 ;)
At least.
This Stallion boy has it right. Everything points to a Derry win:
Armagh peaked for Down and sure Down are shite anyway.
Armagh only beat Derry last year because of Jamie Clarke's disgraceful push on Kevin McGuckin.
Derry beat Armagh easily the last time the teams met in Clones.
Derry are dying to stick two fingers up at the world and the Ulster Council for making them go allllllllll the way to Clones for this game.
Derry probably have the best manager in Ulster, if not the country. Armagh's manager is useless and if it wasn't for Oisin McConville and Paul McGrane they wouldn't even being playing this game.
Armagh don't have many good forwards, especially with Ronan Clarke, Gareth Swift and Ger Houlihan unavailable.
I was a wee bit worried about this one until I heard that Ger Reid isnt available to mark Eoin Bradley. I think I wont bother going to it and save myself for the Ulster Final.
Derry by 6
Quote from: oakleafgael on June 09, 2011, 10:30:36 PM
Quote from: AFS on June 09, 2011, 08:58:09 PM
Quote from: borderfox on June 09, 2011, 08:16:09 PM
Derry by 5 ;)
At least.
This Stallion boy has it right. Everything points to a Derry win:
Armagh peaked for Down and sure Down are shite anyway.
Armagh only beat Derry last year because of Jamie Clarke's disgraceful push on Kevin McGuckin.
Derry beat Armagh easily the last time the teams met in Clones.
Derry are dying to stick two fingers up at the world and the Ulster Council for making them go allllllllll the way to Clones for this game.
Derry probably have the best manager in Ulster, if not the country. Armagh's manager is useless and if it wasn't for Oisin McConville and Paul McGrane they wouldn't even being playing this game.
Armagh don't have many good forwards, especially with Ronan Clarke, Gareth Swift and Ger Houlihan unavailable.
I was a wee bit worried about this one until I heard that Ger Reid isnt available to mark Eoin Bradley. I think I wont bother going to it and save myself for the Ulster Final.
Derry by 6
with out armaghs blanket defence brolly will run riot.. derry by 3 goals and 12 points i'm not even going to watch ;)
QuoteI was a wee bit worried about this one until I heard that Ger Reid isnt available to mark Eoin Bradley.
Francie Bellew is being prepared on a diet of porridge as we speak.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 09, 2011, 11:15:54 PM
QuoteI was a wee bit worried about this one until I heard that Ger Reid isnt available to mark Eoin Bradley.
Francie Bellew is being prepared on a diet of porridge as we speak.
francie bellew is being prepared on a diet as we speak ;) :D
There should be some craic on here all next week :D :D :D
With your serious heads on would any of you rule out a draw? And if it's a draw will it go to extra time or was that rule for 1st round matches only???
Derry by 12 :D :D
Am looking forward to the tactical battle between Brennan and Joe Kernan. I heard Armagh are so sure of victory that Aidan O'Rourke has ordered in 500 special Ulster final 2011 picture frames for the shop. A huge after game party has been planned for clones square by the Armagh sponsors. Friar Tucks, simply fruit and Morgan Milk. Yummmm! Prize draw for a free cube of diesel ;)
Quote from: sheamy on June 10, 2011, 07:34:59 AM
Am looking forward to the tactical battle between Brennan and Joe Kernan. I heard Armagh are so sure of victory that Aidan O'Rourke has ordered in 500 special Ulster final 2011 picture frames for the shop. A huge after game party has been planned for clones square by the Armagh sponsors. Friar Tucks, simply fruit and Morgan Milk. Yummmm! Prize draw for a free cube of diesel ;)
On a much more serious note I hope the apple munchers from around Cross behave themselves a lot better than they did the last time Brennan led a team against one from Armagh. The throwing of screenings will not be tolerated!
Quote from: oakleafgael on June 10, 2011, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: sheamy on June 10, 2011, 07:34:59 AM
Am looking forward to the tactical battle between Brennan and Joe Kernan. I heard Armagh are so sure of victory that Aidan O'Rourke has ordered in 500 special Ulster final 2011 picture frames for the shop. A huge after game party has been planned for clones square by the Armagh sponsors. Friar Tucks, simply fruit and Morgan Milk. Yummmm! Prize draw for a free cube of diesel ;)
On a much more serious note I hope the apple munchers from around Cross behave themselves a lot better than they did the last time Brennan led a team against one from Armagh. The throwing of screenings will not be tolerated!
thon hallion brought it all on himself and he's lucky he was bate home!!!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 10, 2011, 02:27:21 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on June 10, 2011, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: sheamy on June 10, 2011, 07:34:59 AM
Am looking forward to the tactical battle between Brennan and Joe Kernan. I heard Armagh are so sure of victory that Aidan O'Rourke has ordered in 500 special Ulster final 2011 picture frames for the shop. A huge after game party has been planned for clones square by the Armagh sponsors. Friar Tucks, simply fruit and Morgan Milk. Yummmm! Prize draw for a free cube of diesel ;)
On a much more serious note I hope the apple munchers from around Cross behave themselves a lot better than they did the last time Brennan led a team against one from Armagh. The throwing of screenings will not be tolerated!
thon hallion brought it all on himself and he's lucky he was bate home!!!
Not really BCB. What happens inside the fence should stay there and those Cross supporters let themselves and their club down very badly that day. Any talk of beating people home is showing yourself up for what people percieve the Cross supporters to be. It wouldnt have been the most sensible move either.
Thats all off topic anyway. I saw Dermot McNicholl out running last night. He is going to show McKeever how a real Aussie Rules man plays the game.
Derry by 8
Quote from: oakleafgael on June 10, 2011, 05:49:30 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 10, 2011, 02:27:21 PM
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Quote from: sheamy on June 10, 2011, 07:34:59 AM
Am looking forward to the tactical battle between Brennan and Joe Kernan. I heard Armagh are so sure of victory that Aidan O'Rourke has ordered in 500 special Ulster final 2011 picture frames for the shop. A huge after game party has been planned for clones square by the Armagh sponsors. Friar Tucks, simply fruit and Morgan Milk. Yummmm! Prize draw for a free cube of diesel ;)
On a much more serious note I hope the apple munchers from around Cross behave themselves a lot better than they did the last time Brennan led a team against one from Armagh. The throwing of screenings will not be tolerated!
thon hallion brought it all on himself and he's lucky he was bate home!!!
Not really BCB. What happens inside the fence should stay there and those Cross supporters let themselves and their club down very badly that day. Any talk of beating people home is showing yourself up for what people percieve the Cross supporters to be. It wouldnt have been the most sensible move either.
Thats all off topic anyway. I saw Dermot McNicholl out running last night. He is going to show McKeever how a real Aussie Rules man plays the game.
Derry by 8
Then Mr Brennan should remember that himself as he got heavily involved with people outside the fence. And as someone who was inside the fence in both games, Brennan antagonized everyone from players, managers and officials and I would suggest he was the losing of it from Slaughtniel.
Anyway, back to the game, I reckon that if he can control himself on the line Brennan at the back of it all has the tactical nous to set up Derry to beat Armagh. Armagh are obviosuly on a high from the win and Derry are a bit unknown after their facile win over the men from the lakes. Armagh have the momentum but have they the game plan to beat a Derry team that will pack midfield and defence and leave space for Eoin Bradley to exploit? I don't know but where James lost the run of himself in the first game I can't see Brennan going the same way. I actually think this will be a draw with Derry to sneak the replay.
I know who Marty Clarke is dont know McNicholl
Derry have the best team by a country mile. They will easily win Ulster and then hammer everyone in the All Ireland.
Doire(rhea) Abú
Quote from: illdecide on June 09, 2011, 11:26:30 PM
There should be some craic on here all next week :D :D :D
With your serious heads on would any of you rule out a draw? And if it's a draw will it go to extra time or was that rule for 1st round matches only???
Derry by 12 :D :D
is that all ? will be at least 20
Aye the craic should be good by this time next next week.
Who will be the 1st to fall out from the rival counties ?
My money is on BCB and AN Other
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 10, 2011, 05:59:28 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on June 10, 2011, 05:49:30 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 10, 2011, 02:27:21 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on June 10, 2011, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: sheamy on June 10, 2011, 07:34:59 AM
Am looking forward to the tactical battle between Brennan and Joe Kernan. I heard Armagh are so sure of victory that Aidan O'Rourke has ordered in 500 special Ulster final 2011 picture frames for the shop. A huge after game party has been planned for clones square by the Armagh sponsors. Friar Tucks, simply fruit and Morgan Milk. Yummmm! Prize draw for a free cube of diesel ;)
On a much more serious note I hope the apple munchers from around Cross behave themselves a lot better than they did the last time Brennan led a team against one from Armagh. The throwing of screenings will not be tolerated!
thon hallion brought it all on himself and he's lucky he was bate home!!!
Not really BCB. What happens inside the fence should stay there and those Cross supporters let themselves and their club down very badly that day. Any talk of beating people home is showing yourself up for what people percieve the Cross supporters to be. It wouldnt have been the most sensible move either.
Thats all off topic anyway. I saw Dermot McNicholl out running last night. He is going to show McKeever how a real Aussie Rules man plays the game.
Derry by 8
Then Mr Brennan should remember that himself as he got heavily involved with people outside the fence. And as someone who was inside the fence in both games, Brennan antagonized everyone from players, managers and officials and I would suggest he was the losing of it from Slaughtniel. Anyway, back to the game, I reckon that if he can control himself on the line Brennan at the back of it all has the tactical nous to set up Derry to beat Armagh. Armagh are obviosuly on a high from the win and Derry are a bit unknown after their facile win over the men from the lakes. Armagh have the momentum but have they the game plan to beat a Derry team that will pack midfield and defence and leave space for Eoin Bradley to exploit? I don't know but where James lost the run of himself in the first game I can't see Brennan going the same way. I actually think this will be a draw with Derry to sneak the replay.
I cant let that sit at all BCB. The reason Cross beat the balubaa's was the very dubious sending off of Shane Kelly in the drawn match. Only for that you where beat. Brennan is what he is, a head the ball, and came straight out after the match and apologised for his part in what went on. For the vast majority of the Derry club championship matches he has been involved in watching him on the line has been more entertaining than the games.
Derry simply dont have the players to beat Armagh if they are faced with the level of performance that Armagh produced against Down. I would agree with some of the Armagh supporters scepticism about wether the Armagh team can repeat the performance against Derry. In reality it probably wont be needed as we are a middling division 2 team. If Paddy Bradley was fit and available it could have been a different story. We dont have the midfield capable of winning enough possession and we dont the quaility of backs needed to contain McDonnell and Clarke. Its a far cry from recent times where the forwards where always the bother.
Oakleafgael. We in Armagh know that Cross usually get over the line no matter what way the decisions go. They have had players dubiously sent off and vice versa but more often than not they win. It needs everyone to be focused, decisions to go your way and a good bit of luck to beat them. If only there were 2 or 3 clubs like them in Armagh. As for the supporters, like with most clubs, if they think you are putting it up to them they will give you the full works!
As for the game I think we will learn alot from Armagh's performance. Another good show and a win and we will know that the potential we think is there is there. A defeat and the vultures will circle again. I hope it is a good game as I have always liked Derry (there attitude to Tyrone might help ;D) but I suspect it may be a bit scrappy.
justchecking are u-16s free into this game ?
Quote from: naka on June 13, 2011, 11:26:25 AM
justchecking are u-16s free into this game ?
Will be free unless you are getting family tickets to the Gerry Arthurs, then it will be £5/€5
Really looking forward to the game....will be intriguing. Have to say the Brennan factor gives me a lot of hope and i believe Derry are very capable of causing an upset.
Any thoughts on team selection?
Can't see too many changes from Fermanagh game....B Mc Goldrick will probably start presuming he's fit......i've a feeling K McGuckin could feature!
Quote from: oakleafgael on June 10, 2011, 08:44:15 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 10, 2011, 05:59:28 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on June 10, 2011, 05:49:30 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 10, 2011, 02:27:21 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on June 10, 2011, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: sheamy on June 10, 2011, 07:34:59 AM
Am looking forward to the tactical battle between Brennan and Joe Kernan. I heard Armagh are so sure of victory that Aidan O'Rourke has ordered in 500 special Ulster final 2011 picture frames for the shop. A huge after game party has been planned for clones square by the Armagh sponsors. Friar Tucks, simply fruit and Morgan Milk. Yummmm! Prize draw for a free cube of diesel ;)
On a much more serious note I hope the apple munchers from around Cross behave themselves a lot better than they did the last time Brennan led a team against one from Armagh. The throwing of screenings will not be tolerated!
thon hallion brought it all on himself and he's lucky he was bate home!!!
Not really BCB. What happens inside the fence should stay there and those Cross supporters let themselves and their club down very badly that day. Any talk of beating people home is showing yourself up for what people percieve the Cross supporters to be. It wouldnt have been the most sensible move either.
Thats all off topic anyway. I saw Dermot McNicholl out running last night. He is going to show McKeever how a real Aussie Rules man plays the game.
Derry by 8
Then Mr Brennan should remember that himself as he got heavily involved with people outside the fence. And as someone who was inside the fence in both games, Brennan antagonized everyone from players, managers and officials and I would suggest he was the losing of it from Slaughtniel. Anyway, back to the game, I reckon that if he can control himself on the line Brennan at the back of it all has the tactical nous to set up Derry to beat Armagh. Armagh are obviosuly on a high from the win and Derry are a bit unknown after their facile win over the men from the lakes. Armagh have the momentum but have they the game plan to beat a Derry team that will pack midfield and defence and leave space for Eoin Bradley to exploit? I don't know but where James lost the run of himself in the first game I can't see Brennan going the same way. I actually think this will be a draw with Derry to sneak the replay.
I cant let that sit at all BCB. The reason Cross beat the balubaa's was the very dubious sending off of Shane Kelly in the drawn match. Only for that you where beat. Brennan is what he is, a head the ball, and came straight out after the match and apologised for his part in what went on. For the vast majority of the Derry club championship matches he has been involved in watching him on the line has been more entertaining than the games.
Derry simply dont have the players to beat Armagh if they are faced with the level of performance that Armagh produced against Down. I would agree with some of the Armagh supporters scepticism about wether the Armagh team can repeat the performance against Derry. In reality it probably wont be needed as we are a middling division 2 team. If Paddy Bradley was fit and available it could have been a different story. We dont have the midfield capable of winning enough possession and we dont the quaility of backs needed to contain McDonnell and Clarke. Its a far cry from recent times where the forwards where always the bother.
Was this game in Glen? If so, did young Kelly not sink the head in some cross man? Could be wrong, before anyone jumps down my throat.
Quote from: Throw ball on June 10, 2011, 09:02:54 PM
A defeat and the vultures will circle again. I hope it is a good game as I have always liked Derry (there attitude to Tyrone might help ;D) but I suspect it may be a bit scrappy.
Can you explain and I am not highlighting your spelling?
We could have 2 great semi-finals in the making I think
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 13, 2011, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 10, 2011, 09:02:54 PM
A defeat and the vultures will circle again. I hope it is a good game as I have always liked Derry (there attitude to Tyrone might help ;D) but I suspect it may be a bit scrappy.
Can you explain and I am not highlighting your spelling?
We could have 2 great semi-finals in the making I think
Good point on the spelling. Sorry (their!) Was only joking that they are Tyrone's rivals and so are Armagh.
is the game on tele at all lads?
Its on live on BBC2 so more Side Bottoms
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/7504095.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/7504095.stm)
It's also live on RTE next Sunday at 2:00pm
Quote from: armaghniac on June 07, 2011, 07:07:43 PM
Might the Ulster council not want to have more covered seats for the comfort of supporters, many of whom will complain vociferously if they don't get them and the weather remains as it is?
But this "simple" theory doesn't hold up as there as as many covered seats in Omagh.
Quote'Profit before the public' should be their new mantra.
Perhaps it is? Perhaps they wish to avoid an all ticket game in Omagh where kids could not be allowed in free?
Here's the official reasoning from the Ulster counci for taking Derry and Armagh to Clones. It's just like armaghniac says :)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLzb_6HHMy8
Yes, It's all about the kids, apparently.
The uncovered seats are also great value at 25euro, apparently.
It's a wonder he didn't mention that Casement doesn't have many of them and is mainly terrace.
Oh wait, he never mentioned Casement at all. Once. Funny that.
Lads, having gone to the trouble to make up a story ye could have made a better fist of it than that.
There's still time. What is the problem with Casement?
Call Jerome and make another video there to explain yourselves.
So the game is on RTE and BBC live and in Clones as there'll be a huge crowd!
I can see a half empty stand and a few stragglers around the rest of the ground. I'd argue that those with kids, will be staying at home to watch the game.
Quotefor taking Derry and Armagh to Clones. It's just like armaghniac says
I am not sure what the problem is with Casement, but I think not having the game All-ticket and allowing kids in free is a legitimate objective. A lot of the people complaining are not planning to go in any case.
Perhaps Donegal and Derry will end up in the final and they can play it in Strabane.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 13, 2011, 04:54:54 PM
Quotefor taking Derry and Armagh to Clones. It's just like armaghniac says
I am not sure what the problem is with Casement, but I think not having the game All-ticket and allowing kids in free is a legitimate objective. A lot of the people complaining are not planning to go in any case.
Perhaps Donegal and Derry will end up in the final and they can play it in Strabane.
I agree, but Casement could have satisfied that criteria.
The fact that many complaining aren't planning on going is the point is it not? If it was in Casement, they may have been planning to go.
As a Tyrone man I would love Derry to win the All Ireland
Few other things.
Peter Canavan was over rated, and Tyrone fans are crying ..................
Tohill was one of the greatest players to the play the game.
Doire Abú!
Doire Abu!
Really looking forward to the game. I have an awful feeling that Armagh are going to win this game quite easily because of a weak derry defence against a great armagh full forward line. However, Derry are a very attacking side who can cause problems for the opposition especially with players like skinner and gilligan in the forwards. I think the tactics that brennan has used in the last couple of games has paid off for derry with sean leo being used as a corner back who runs tirelessly up and down the pitch but at the same time things might be different against a better forward. Hopefully Muldoon can turn it on again like he did against Fermanagh and the midfield, whoever it may be will not get cleaned out!
Team i expect to see lining out:
1. Conlon
2. Sean Leo
3. Kevin McCloy
4. McBride
5. Michael Bateson
6. Charlie Kielt
7. Barry McG
8. Joe Diver
9. Michael Friel
10. Lynch
11. O'Boyle
12. Emmett McGuckin
13.Gilligan
14.Skinner
15. Muldoon
Wouldn't be surprised to see Kevin McGuckin in defence. I would probably prefer him than McCloy however both in my opinion will struggle against Stevie. There are quite a few attacking options to come off the bench with Kielt, Declan Mullan, Donaghy, Mulholland and Ciaran McG all having something to offer. However things will be difficult in midfield and defence!
Heres hoping for a big victory. Everyone get out and support regardless of the venue.
Doire Abú
QuoteWe could have 2 great semi-finals in the making I think
As Martin McHugh said the best 4 teams are in the semi-finals. Will the premiership side see off the second
rate division contenders? Will Tyrone manage a 3 in a row or will Donegal become only the 3rd team in history to win from the preliminary round. Will be the final be like 1957, 1998 or 2006? Will it be a first Derry win in the final over Tyrone. Get up off your gluteus maximus and go to Clones and experience the joys of the Ulster championship (being glad not to be in Ennis) or if it is too much bother then watch in HD at home.
Quote from: attheraces on June 13, 2011, 07:57:45 PM
As a Tyrone man I would love Derry to win the All Ireland
Few other things.
Peter Canavan was over rated, and Tyrone fans are crying ..................
Tohill was one of the greatest players to the play the game.
Doire Abú!
I always knew there had to be one decent lad about Tirrone....fair play te ye boyo!
Quote from: tonysoprano on June 13, 2011, 08:23:11 PM
Really looking forward to the game. I have an awful feeling that Armagh are going to win this game quite easily because of a weak derry defence against a great armagh full forward line. However, Derry are a very attacking side who can cause problems for the opposition especially with players like skinner and gilligan in the forwards. I think the tactics that brennan has used in the last couple of games has paid off for derry with sean leo being used as a corner back who runs tirelessly up and down the pitch but at the same time things might be different against a better forward. Hopefully Muldoon can turn it on again like he did against Fermanagh and the midfield, whoever it may be will not get cleaned out!
Team i expect to see lining out:
1. Conlon
2. Sean Leo
3. Kevin McCloy
4. McBride
5. Michael Bateson
6. Charlie Kielt
7. Barry McG
8. Joe Diver
9. Michael Friel
10. Lynch
11. O'Boyle
12. Emmett McGuckin
13.Gilligan
14.Skinner
15. Muldoon
Wouldn't be surprised to see Kevin McGuckin in defence. I would probably prefer him than McCloy however both in my opinion will struggle against Stevie. There are quite a few attacking options to come off the bench with Kielt, Declan Mullan, Donaghy, Mulholland and Ciaran McG all having something to offer. However things will be difficult in midfield and defence!
Heres hoping for a big victory. Everyone get out and support regardless of the venue.
Doire Abú
I think the same team will start against Armagh that started against Fermanagh....unless Gerard O'Kane is ruled out in which case Barry McGoldrick will come back in.
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 13, 2011, 08:29:44 PM
Quote from: attheraces on June 13, 2011, 07:57:45 PM
As a Tyrone man I would love Derry to win the All Ireland
Few other things.
Peter Canavan was over rated, and Tyrone fans are crying ..................
Tohill was one of the greatest players to the play the game.
Doire Abú!
I always knew there had to be one decent lad about Tirrone....fair play te ye boyo!
Looks like a frape /Grape (Gaaboard Rape) to me. Happened my friend in QUB library before, 'he' FORGOT TO LOG OUT ;)
Doire Abú!
Quote from: DoireGael on June 13, 2011, 08:35:54 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 13, 2011, 08:29:44 PM
Quote from: attheraces on June 13, 2011, 07:57:45 PM
As a Tyrone man I would love Derry to win the All Ireland
Few other things.
Peter Canavan was over rated, and Tyrone fans are crying ..................
Tohill was one of the greatest players to the play the game.
Doire Abú!
I always knew there had to be one decent lad about Tirrone....fair play te ye boyo!
Looks like a frape /Grape (Gaaboard Rape) to me. Happened my friend in QUB library before, 'he' FORGOT TO LOG OUT ;)
Doire Abú!
I don't miss that place. A whole summer of not going back - unless resits are needed.
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on June 13, 2011, 08:40:30 PM
Quote from: DoireGael on June 13, 2011, 08:35:54 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 13, 2011, 08:29:44 PM
Quote from: attheraces on June 13, 2011, 07:57:45 PM
As a Tyrone man I would love Derry to win the All Ireland
Few other things.
Peter Canavan was over rated, and Tyrone fans are crying ..................
Tohill was one of the greatest players to the play the game.
Doire Abú!
I always knew there had to be one decent lad about Tirrone....fair play te ye boyo!
Looks like a frape /Grape (Gaaboard Rape) to me. Happened my friend in QUB library before, 'he' FORGOT TO LOG OUT ;)
Doire Abú!
I don't miss that place. A whole summer of not going back - unless resits are needed.
Some serious talent in it at times. Well if yeah dont wanna spend a summer in it dont do a masters. :'(
Quote from: DoireGael on June 13, 2011, 08:56:07 PM
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on June 13, 2011, 08:40:30 PM
Quote from: DoireGael on June 13, 2011, 08:35:54 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 13, 2011, 08:29:44 PM
Quote from: attheraces on June 13, 2011, 07:57:45 PM
As a Tyrone man I would love Derry to win the All Ireland
Few other things.
Peter Canavan was over rated, and Tyrone fans are crying ..................
Tohill was one of the greatest players to the play the game.
Doire Abú!
I always knew there had to be one decent lad about Tirrone....fair play te ye boyo!
Looks like a frape /Grape (Gaaboard Rape) to me. Happened my friend in QUB library before, 'he' FORGOT TO LOG OUT ;)
Doire Abú!
I don't miss that place. A whole summer of not going back - unless resits are needed.
Some serious talent in it at times. Well if yeah dont wanna spend a summer in it dont do a masters. :'(
Cant beat queens fit feed!
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 13, 2011, 08:33:33 PM
Quote from: tonysoprano on June 13, 2011, 08:23:11 PM
Hopefully Muldoon can turn it on again like he did against Fermanagh and the midfield, whoever it may be will not get cleaned out!
Team i expect to see lining out:
1. Conlon
2. Sean Leo
3. Kevin McCloy
4. McBride
5. Michael Bateson
6. Charlie Kielt
7. Barry McG
8. Joe Diver
9. Michael Friel
10. Lynch
11. O'Boyle
12. Emmett McGuckin
13.Gilligan
14.Skinner
15. Muldoon
Wouldn't be surprised to see Kevin McGuckin in defence. I would probably prefer him than McCloy however both in my opinion will struggle against Stevie. There are quite a few attacking options to come off the bench with Kielt, Declan Mullan, Donaghy, Mulholland and Ciaran McG all having something to offer. However things will be difficult in midfield and defence!
Heres hoping for a big victory. Everyone get out and support regardless of the venue.
Doire Abú
I think the same team will start against Armagh that started against Fermanagh....unless Gerard O'Kane is ruled out in which case Barry McGoldrick will come back in.
Can't see Enda getting the space and time on the ball that he did against Fermanagh, so even though he's captain do you think Barry won't start, I wonder if he is not fit or just not in the frame? I think C Kielt is much better as an attacking wing back, he doesn't have the defensive nous to play CHB. But its 15 v 15 and anything can happen, who would have thought M Murphy would have got sent off yesterday!!! So lets hope we get the 'rub of the Clones green' and somehow squeez through
If Armagh can hit the level of performance against Down (big if) they will win. What is possible is that we will revert to type and after 15/20 mins start to see our half forward line drop back and the game turn into a bit of a scrap.Having said that I would still expect our midfield to dominate posession.
If Eoin Bradley can be kept quiet it will go a long way to nullifying Derry, I would imagine Andy Mallon will be put on him.
Derry will be going in happy enough ( despite learning nothing from the Fermanagh game) as underdogs. They have lost enough semi finals where they were favourites. Despite Paddy Bradley being one of the best forwards in Ulster over the past 10 years, in some ways it may benefit Derry in that the likes of Lynch and Gilligan will have to stand up and be counted rather than looking for Paddy all the time.
My view on the game...
- I'm not sure Armagh will be able to raise their game like they did against Down.
- I think Derry aren't great but due to this they have a good chance here.
- If Armagh win they could win ulster however if derry do Tyrone or Donegal would beat them.
Derry were (well) beat in a challenge game with Antrim the other week. I'm not confident.
Quote from: DoireGael on June 13, 2011, 11:28:39 PM
Derry were (well) beat in a challenge game with Antrim the other week. I'm not confident.
A ruse by that evil genius Brennan. We're not buying it. Derry by 11.
QuoteA ruse by that evil genius Brennan. We're not buying it. Derry by 11.
Exactly, Brennan versus POR. What more can you say?
Gerard O'Kane out for Sunday according to BBC. Thats our best defender, best midfielder and best forward not playing on Sunday. Armagh @ 5/6 on Paddy Power, only i wouldnt back against Derry this is serious value.
Will make the trip to Clones more in hope than expectation now.
Quote from: Incertus on June 14, 2011, 10:48:05 AM
Will make the trip to Clones more in hope than expectation now.
You must be playing? :P
Quote from: Orangemac on June 13, 2011, 10:46:43 PM
If Eoin Bradley can be kept quiet it will go a long way to nullifying Derry, I would imagine Andy Mallon will be put on him.
I'd rather see Brendan Donaghy on him myself although Andy did a good job on Eoin last year despite what Paddy Heaney thinks.
It's important that Armagh back up the last performance and show that the Down performance was not a flash in the pan. I still reckon that there is room for improvement when you think that our two main men (McDonnell and McKeever) had a quiet enough evening against Down. It should be a good game (depending on the weather) with Derry racking up some good scores in the league.
I'd presume that Armagh will line out the same 15 as the last time.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on June 14, 2011, 10:57:41 AM
Quote from: Incertus on June 14, 2011, 10:48:05 AM
Will make the trip to Clones more in hope than expectation now.
You must be playing? :P
You must be playing....with yourself! :p
Quote from: mackers on June 14, 2011, 11:03:23 AM
Quote from: Orangemac on June 13, 2011, 10:46:43 PM
If Eoin Bradley can be kept quiet it will go a long way to nullifying Derry, I would imagine Andy Mallon will be put on him.
I'd rather see Brendan Donaghy on him myself although Andy did a good job on Eoin last year despite what Paddy Heaney thinks.
It's important that Armagh back up the last performance and show that the Down performance was not a flash in the pan. I still reckon that there is room for improvement when you think that our two main men (McDonnell and McKeever) had a quiet enough evening against Down. It should be a good game (depending on the weather) with Derry racking up some good scores in the league.
I'd presume that Armagh will line out the same 15 as the last time.
agree with this, although I personally feel that Armagh will move on from Down, in previous years I would have worried about this game but with the feeling in the camp being positive rather than overly confident I expect to see Armagh in an Ulister senior final come Sunday night,
It will be interesting to see who armagh match their defenders up against. Derry's forward line is very tall and strong. I would like to see:
A.Mallon - Gilligan
B.Donaghy - Bradley
P.Duffy - O'Boyle
A.Kernan - McGuckian
C.McKeever - Unlucky Enda
K.Dyas - Lynch
To be fair to POR he got the match ups correct against Down. Duffy could struggle with O'Boyle's height if he plays in the full forward line.
If Vernon plays the way he played in the second half against down, armagh will win as derry's midfield is unproven and inexperienced
Joe Diver has been about for a good number of years now so I wouldn't say he's inexperienced. He seems to be inconsistent but I wouldn't dismiss him either. I thought that Kieran Toner had a poor enough outing against Down with, as you say, CV only really impressing in the second half. Midfield is another area where I would like to see improvement from the last day out.
Quote from: regal on June 14, 2011, 11:41:58 AM
It will be interesting to see who armagh match their defenders up against. Derry's forward line is very tall and strong. I would like to see:
A.Mallon - Gilligan
B.Donaghy - Bradley
P.Duffy - O'Boyle
A.Kernan - McGuckian
C.McKeever - Unlucky Enda
K.Dyas - Lynch
To be fair to POR he got the match ups correct against Down. Duffy could struggle with O'Boyle's height if he plays in the full forward line.
If Vernon plays the way he played in the second half against down, armagh will win as derry's midfield is unproven and inexperienced
Wouldnt be worried for Enda one bit! ;) Hope I dont see this quoted on monday :-\
O'Boyle is the man with the serious pace isn't he? Would put Dyas on him myself. Don't know who to put on Lynch, maybe Donaghy.
Quote from: onefaircounty on June 14, 2011, 03:03:25 PM
O'Boyle is the man with the serious pace isn't he? Would put Dyas on him myself. Don't know who to put on Lynch, maybe Donaghy.
I wouldn't say he's overly quick. He's the tall lad from Lavey that also played for Jordanstown last year. Your maybe thinking of Declan Mullan from coleraine. He's unlikely to start. Lynch, Gilligan and Bradley would all be quicker.
I hear there's to be serious rain on Sunday, could Armagh become victims of the weather like Down, or is all that training in Camlough lake going to stand to them? Or Derry to be washed up by Half time?
Quote from: Jimmy on June 14, 2011, 03:12:28 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on June 14, 2011, 03:03:25 PM
O'Boyle is the man with the serious pace isn't he? Would put Dyas on him myself. Don't know who to put on Lynch, maybe Donaghy.
I wouldn't say he's overly quick. He's the tall lad from Lavey that also played for Jordanstown last year. Your maybe thinking of Declan Mullan from coleraine. He's unlikely to start. Lynch, Gilligan and Bradley would all be quicker.
It was Mullan I was thinking of thanks. Saw O'Boyle a few times for UUJ, can take a score alright.
Quote from: oakleafgael on June 10, 2011, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: sheamy on June 10, 2011, 07:34:59 AM
Am looking forward to the tactical battle between Brennan and Joe Kernan. I heard Armagh are so sure of victory that Aidan O'Rourke has ordered in 500 special Ulster final 2011 picture frames for the shop. A huge after game party has been planned for clones square by the Armagh sponsors. Friar Tucks, simply fruit and Morgan Milk. Yummmm! Prize draw for a free cube of diesel ;)
On a much more serious note I hope the apple munchers from around Cross behave themselves a lot better than they did the last time Brennan led a team against one from Armagh. The throwing of screenings will not be tolerated!
Have you slaughtneil lads still not got over your beating. ???
Quote from: crossfire on June 14, 2011, 09:36:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on June 10, 2011, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: sheamy on June 10, 2011, 07:34:59 AM
Am looking forward to the tactical battle between Brennan and Joe Kernan. I heard Armagh are so sure of victory that Aidan O'Rourke has ordered in 500 special Ulster final 2011 picture frames for the shop. A huge after game party has been planned for clones square by the Armagh sponsors. Friar Tucks, simply fruit and Morgan Milk. Yummmm! Prize draw for a free cube of diesel ;)
On a much more serious note I hope the apple munchers from around Cross behave themselves a lot better than they did the last time Brennan led a team against one from Armagh. The throwing of screenings will not be tolerated!
Have you slaughtneil lads still not got over your beating. ???
Ach, leave them be, they've only ever played two games in the ulster championship and had the misfortune to run into a bcb inspired cross.
Quote from: crossfire on June 14, 2011, 09:36:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on June 10, 2011, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: sheamy on June 10, 2011, 07:34:59 AM
Am looking forward to the tactical battle between Brennan and Joe Kernan. I heard Armagh are so sure of victory that Aidan O'Rourke has ordered in 500 special Ulster final 2011 picture frames for the shop. A huge after game party has been planned for clones square by the Armagh sponsors. Friar Tucks, simply fruit and Morgan Milk. Yummmm! Prize draw for a free cube of diesel ;)
On a much more serious note I hope the apple munchers from around Cross behave themselves a lot better than they did the last time Brennan led a team against one from Armagh. The throwing of screenings will not be tolerated!
Have you slaughtneil lads still not got over your beating. ???
I have been called many unkind things in life, most of them warranted, but thats a bit below the belt. You would need to be careful though, the last man who slagged them on this board didnt fair out well.
Nothing has changed my view on this match since Armagh stuffed Down. We have a ropey full back line, if O'Kane is missing our half back line isnt great, our midfield isnt great. Another thing that worries me is our half forward line. I expect to see Lynch running towards his own goals after either Kernan or Duffy and not within ten yards of him. I cant see how Derry can win this with the current panel of players.
Quote from: oakleafgael on June 14, 2011, 09:48:14 PM
Nothing has changed my view on this match since Armagh stuffed Down. We have a ropey full back line, if O'Kane is missing our half back line isnt great, our midfield isnt great. Another thing that worries me is our half forward line. I expect to see Lynch running towards his own goals after either Kernan or Duffy and not within ten yards of him. I cant see how Derry can win this with the current panel of players.
For me Derry's best chance of winning is gung-ho attack. We should play the bold tactic of trying to outscore armagh by playing an attacking formation. Lets say SL McGoldrick at CHF to provide the running and Muldoon as a 3rd MF to play the probing passes in. This gives us options in attack to either run at armagh or play the long pass in. That old saying attack being the best form of defence is our best chance IMO considering our frailties in defence and MF.
I dont think Armagh are as good as people are making them out to be, but in my mind they are still strong favorites for this game. I think we can cause them problems with an all out attacking approach to the game though in which case you never know.
My head says Armagh.....heart says Derry....so I'll go for a Draw and keep the fingers crossed.
Quote from: Bogball XV on June 14, 2011, 09:39:10 PM
Quote from: crossfire on June 14, 2011, 09:36:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on June 10, 2011, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: sheamy on June 10, 2011, 07:34:59 AM
Am looking forward to the tactical battle between Brennan and Joe Kernan. I heard Armagh are so sure of victory that Aidan O'Rourke has ordered in 500 special Ulster final 2011 picture frames for the shop. A huge after game party has been planned for clones square by the Armagh sponsors. Friar Tucks, simply fruit and Morgan Milk. Yummmm! Prize draw for a free cube of diesel ;)
On a much more serious note I hope the apple munchers from around Cross behave themselves a lot better than they did the last time Brennan led a team against one from Armagh. The throwing of screenings will not be tolerated!
Have you slaughtneil lads still not got over your beating. ???
Ach, leave them be, they've only ever played two games in the ulster championship and had the misfortune to run into a bcb inspired cross.
:D :D :D
what will be interesting to see is whether Armagh revert to type (which I fully expect) and play out and out blanket defence like they did in Celtic Park last year. It's always been known to be the downfall of this Derry team so why change?
With McDonnell and Clarke left on the counter attack they'll be ideally set up. Be great to see a more open high scoring game in this 'crossmaglen style' but I can't see it.
Which of the two Armagh teams will be sent out? The one before the cross men exerted their influence on it, or the one after?
Sheamy do you know what your talking about. Sure isn't Donal Murtagh and Mc Conville coaching them. So Cross has exerted their influenece over them for the past 10 yrs including the Down game.
Quote from: Rawhide on June 15, 2011, 01:46:46 PM
Sheamy do you know what your talking about. Sure isn't Donal Murtagh and Mc Conville coaching them. So Cross has exerted their influenece over them for the past 10 yrs including the Down game.
I often wonder that myself Rawhide!
It's well discussed at this stage the change in emphasis that went on about a month or two ago in the armagh team. I'm not saying there was no cross exertion before that (badly phrased on my part) but there was a change in emphasis in the play brought about by a number of players and coaches resulting in a different style of play v down.
Perhaps I dreamt this I dunno but it was commented on several times in the media both before, during and after the Down game. People discussing it put it down to a greater input from the cross camp that had been so previously. The players are rumored to be more happy with it than systems employed during the league.
My question was: Will they revert to type or go with the new style of play?
(ps I'm well aware who coaches the team. Who coached them in Jan and who coaches them now as well)
Sheamy, I think a lot of Armagh people would agree that what happen last year in Celtic Park, after an attacking and eyecatching
League performance could be laid at undue influenece from Murtagh and McNulty. But there is no doubting the positive influence for the Down game seemed to come from McGrane and McConville. If we revert to type then Derry will edge it by 2 or 3. If we repeat the Derry performance then we will win by 2 or 3. And Cross in the attacking Flair of Clarke and the Kernans will be to the fore.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 15, 2011, 02:19:56 PM
Sheamy, I think a lot of Armagh people would agree that what happen last year in Celtic Park, after an attacking and eyecatching
League performance could be laid at undue influenece from Murtagh and McNulty. But there is no doubting the positive influence for the Down game seemed to come from McGrane and McConville. If we revert to type then Derry will edge it by 2 or 3. If we repeat the Derry performance then we will win by 2 or 3. And Cross in the attacking Flair of Clarke and the Kernans will be to the fore.
Thank god. I wasn't dreaming afterall! :)
I dunno apples, I think they'll be in two minds. They won last year remember in Celtic Park and reasonably comfortably in the end after an even enough first half. Derry looked clueless when faced with the 12 men behind the ball setup. Every team that has beat Derry in the Ulster championship just swamps the defence and counters. Don't see why Armagh would change. Each game is different. Wouldn't have worked against Down as they (now) seem to be able to pick apart tight defences with quick hands. Horses for courses I think and they are bound to be tempted to revert.
Quote from: sheamy on June 15, 2011, 02:33:37 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 15, 2011, 02:19:56 PM
Sheamy, I think a lot of Armagh people would agree that what happen last year in Celtic Park, after an attacking and eyecatching
League performance could be laid at undue influenece from Murtagh and McNulty. But there is no doubting the positive influence for the Down game seemed to come from McGrane and McConville. If we revert to type then Derry will edge it by 2 or 3. If we repeat the Derry performance then we will win by 2 or 3. And Cross in the attacking Flair of Clarke and the Kernans will be to the fore.
Thank god. I wasn't dreaming afterall! :)
I dunno apples, I think they'll be in two minds. They won last year remember in Celtic Park and reasonably comfortably in the end after an even enough first half. Derry looked clueless when faced with the 12 men behind the ball setup. Every team that has beat Derry in the Ulster championship just swamps the defence and counters. Don't see why Armagh would change. Each game is different. Wouldn't have worked against Down as they (now) seem to be able to pick apart tight defences with quick hands. Horses for courses I think and they are bound to be tempted to revert.
Sorry meant repeat Down not Derry Perf.
Quote from: sheamy on June 15, 2011, 02:33:37 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 15, 2011, 02:19:56 PM
Sheamy, I think a lot of Armagh people would agree that what happen last year in Celtic Park, after an attacking and eyecatching
League performance could be laid at undue influenece from Murtagh and McNulty. But there is no doubting the positive influence for the Down game seemed to come from McGrane and McConville. If we revert to type then Derry will edge it by 2 or 3. If we repeat the Derry performance then we will win by 2 or 3. And Cross in the attacking Flair of Clarke and the Kernans will be to the fore.
Thank god. I wasn't dreaming afterall! :)
I dunno apples, I think they'll be in two minds. They won last year remember in Celtic Park and reasonably comfortably in the end after an even enough first half. Derry looked clueless when faced with the 12 men behind the ball setup. Every team that has beat Derry in the Ulster championship just swamps the defence and counters. Don't see why Armagh would change. Each game is different. Wouldn't have worked against Down as they (now) seem to be able to pick apart tight defences with quick hands. Horses for courses I think and they are bound to be tempted to revert.
Can't see Armagh going back to defensive football. They know from last years championship that defensive football is not the way to go. While we won last years match comfortably it will be a completely different approach this year. If anything it is going to be a headache for Brennan having to guess what Armagh team will show up and because Armagh beat Derry with such tactics last year Derry will be prepared for the same again. If Armagh attack Derry I think they will be much harder for Derry to cope with.
No the winning of the Down Game for me was in how Armagh went man for man on the big names, and took the game directly to Down. More accurate kick passing and forcing on Down to the back foot through the runs of Kernan et al. good to watch. I would rather see a repeat against Derry because I think we would win handily.
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on June 15, 2011, 02:46:41 PM
Quote from: sheamy on June 15, 2011, 02:33:37 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 15, 2011, 02:19:56 PM
Sheamy, I think a lot of Armagh people would agree that what happen last year in Celtic Park, after an attacking and eyecatching
League performance could be laid at undue influenece from Murtagh and McNulty. But there is no doubting the positive influence for the Down game seemed to come from McGrane and McConville. If we revert to type then Derry will edge it by 2 or 3. If we repeat the Derry performance then we will win by 2 or 3. And Cross in the attacking Flair of Clarke and the Kernans will be to the fore.
Thank god. I wasn't dreaming afterall! :)
I dunno apples, I think they'll be in two minds. They won last year remember in Celtic Park and reasonably comfortably in the end after an even enough first half. Derry looked clueless when faced with the 12 men behind the ball setup. Every team that has beat Derry in the Ulster championship just swamps the defence and counters. Don't see why Armagh would change. Each game is different. Wouldn't have worked against Down as they (now) seem to be able to pick apart tight defences with quick hands. Horses for courses I think and they are bound to be tempted to revert.
Can't see Armagh going back to defensive football. They know from last years championship that defensive football is not the way to go. While we won last years match comfortably it will be a completely different approach this year. If anything it is going to be a headache for Brennan having to guess what Armagh team will show up and because Armagh beat Derry with such tactics last year Derry will be prepared for the same again. If Armagh attack Derry I think they will be much harder for Derry to cope with.
I hope you're right as it could be good craic in that case. Brennan hasn't lined out a defensive formation all year. In fact, he never has. I think it would be a mistake for Armagh to go more attacking to be honest but we'll see.
Anyway, I've not met a man in the country yet that thinks Derry are gonna win, so it looks like it doesn't really matter what way Armagh play!
Quote from: sheamy on June 15, 2011, 03:02:47 PM
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on June 15, 2011, 02:46:41 PM
Quote from: sheamy on June 15, 2011, 02:33:37 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 15, 2011, 02:19:56 PM
Sheamy, I think a lot of Armagh people would agree that what happen last year in Celtic Park, after an attacking and eyecatching
League performance could be laid at undue influenece from Murtagh and McNulty. But there is no doubting the positive influence for the Down game seemed to come from McGrane and McConville. If we revert to type then Derry will edge it by 2 or 3. If we repeat the Derry performance then we will win by 2 or 3. And Cross in the attacking Flair of Clarke and the Kernans will be to the fore.
Thank god. I wasn't dreaming afterall! :)
I dunno apples, I think they'll be in two minds. They won last year remember in Celtic Park and reasonably comfortably in the end after an even enough first half. Derry looked clueless when faced with the 12 men behind the ball setup. Every team that has beat Derry in the Ulster championship just swamps the defence and counters. Don't see why Armagh would change. Each game is different. Wouldn't have worked against Down as they (now) seem to be able to pick apart tight defences with quick hands. Horses for courses I think and they are bound to be tempted to revert.
Can't see Armagh going back to defensive football. They know from last years championship that defensive football is not the way to go. While we won last years match comfortably it will be a completely different approach this year. If anything it is going to be a headache for Brennan having to guess what Armagh team will show up and because Armagh beat Derry with such tactics last year Derry will be prepared for the same again. If Armagh attack Derry I think they will be much harder for Derry to cope with.
I hope you're right as it could be good craic in that case. Brennan hasn't lined out a defensive formation all year. In fact, he never has. I think it would be a mistake for Armagh to go more attacking to be honest but we'll see.
Anyway, I've not met a man in the country yet that thinks Derry are gonna win, so it looks like it doesn't really matter what way Armagh play!
I am more confident in a Derry win than Armagh winning. I think Derry will go into the game more confident because of their league form and win against Fermanagh. However, Fermanagh would not have asked many questions of the Derry team which is very dangerous in itself. It could give the Derry team a false sense of security it is almost like a prototype car being sold without being rigorously tested. With Armagh there could be too much confidence because we beat last years All Ireland finalists yet everyone in the county knows that there is an even bigger performance in this team. I think Derry will win because they know they have to dig deep to beat Armagh, but with Armagh I think it is going to be hard to shrug off the confidence after beating Down.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 15, 2011, 02:47:33 PM
No the winning of the Down Game for me was in how Armagh went man for man on the big names, and took the game directly to Down. More accurate kick passing and forcing on Down to the back foot through the runs of Kernan et al. good to watch. I would rather see a repeat against Derry because I think we would win handily.
Would agree about the kickpassing. Dyas, Tony Kernan and O'Rourke in particular turned defence into attack quickly.
Dublin were wide open at the back last year but we couldn't exploit it due to the constant hand passing across the pitch.
When are the teams due to be announced?
tbrick81,
Tonight as far as i know
Hope John Brennan's coaching abilities are better than his geography.......see he's saying that Clones is 20 minutes from South Armagh.... ::) ::)
Clones isn't 20 minutes away from Castleblayney FFS.
Quote from: mackers on June 16, 2011, 10:46:32 AM
Hope John Brennan's coaching abilities are better than his geography.......see he's saying that Clones is 20 minutes from South Armagh.... ::) ::)
Clones isn't 20 minutes away from Castleblayney FFS.
Clones is 28 miles from Keady...Roughly Maghera to Celtic Park.
Whatever the time, it's fecking 2 hours less than from Derry :-)
I see Ulster Council still pushing this bullshit about an all ticket event for kids and totally ignore the casement elephant in the room. Put plenty of kids in casement for free. Their parents might even drive them to it then.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Derry/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=149686
Quote from: sheamy on June 16, 2011, 11:26:28 AM
Quote from: mackers on June 16, 2011, 10:46:32 AM
Hope John Brennan's coaching abilities are better than his geography.......see he's saying that Clones is 20 minutes from South Armagh.... ::) ::)
Clones isn't 20 minutes away from Castleblayney FFS.
Clones is 28 miles from Keady...Roughly Maghera to Celtic Park.
Whatever the time, it's fecking 2 hours less than from Derry :-)
I see Ulster Council still pushing this bullshit about an all ticket event for kids and totally ignore the casement elephant in the room. Put plenty of kids in casement for free. Their parents might even drive them to it then.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Derry/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=149686
I take it you've never been on the road from Keady to Clones.........that 28 miles will take at least 45 minutes.
Look, nobody's denying that it is much further from Clones to South Derry than it is from Armagh..........I think that that point has been well and truly drilled home by Derry folk......it's the bending of the truth by some Derry people that's the problem.
even though the heart says Derry, the head reckons Armagh might just have that bit too much for us. But you never know on the day!! Would have fancied Derry against Down.
armagh team realy focussed on this, there is no complacency
really fancy us ,
ARMAGH BY 4/5
my opinion is that obv if Armagh play anywhere near they did against Down they will beat Derry. However this is a big If. When u look at the 2 teams on paper they are reasonably close playerwise. Think Derry could possibly play muldoon up with Bradley which would be a hell of a threat up there 2. Also will BJP, Kernan, Mackin and Michael O'Rourke play as well this time out? I really hope so as if they put in similar performances Armagh will win because Clarke and this time stevey will do the business.
It's astonishing how many people have decided Armagh will win based purely on one decent performance against a massively overrated Down side.
I'll be surprised if Derry don't win by at least 4 or 5 points.
The Derry forwards are far too strong for Armagh, and I confidently predict at least 2 goals for Derry.
I'll be back on Sunday evening to boast about my Nostradamus-like predictions coming true.
The Stallion.
I'm quite mystified by general perceived predictability of an Armagh victory. For the majority of this year, Derry and Armagh have been performing at similar levels, Armagh struggling in Division 1, Derry challenging for promotion from Division 2. For all the challenge Fermanagh put up, Derry might as well be making their championship debut tomorrow. Armagh did put in an excellent performance against Down but in hindsight Down were primed for ambush. Its unlikely that things will go as well for Armagh as they did that night and if they don't, we are looking at a relatively low scoring dogfight. I expect there to be a point or two in the difference at the conclusion.
I assume tickets will be easy got in the town?
Quote from: The Stallion on June 16, 2011, 06:37:23 PM
It's astonishing how many people have decided Armagh will win based purely on one decent performance against a massively overrated Down side.
I'll be surprised if Derry don't win by at least 4 or 5 points.
The Derry forwards are far too strong for Armagh, and I confidently predict at least 2 goals for Derry.
I'll be back on Sunday evening to boast about my Nostradamus-like predictions coming true.
The Stallion.
Interesting assessment there Stallion, Nostradamus would be proud. But then again he wasn't too strong on the aul Ga predictions.............
Too much hype over one good performance, we will do well to squeak out a win here, prediction, a draw.
Quote from: Orior on June 16, 2011, 08:38:43 PM
I assume tickets will be easy got in the town?
I'll get you two great seats in the Pat McGrane Stand for only €5 over face value.
Think that Derry will win the game. I think Brennan will try and exploit the Armagh half forward line by getting the half backs to attack as much as possible, think he'l try and exploit Padden and Mackin and possibly play an anchor in front of the full back line as cover. I think armagh are a more physical team than Derry, but if they can play fast incisive ball their in with a hell of a good chance!
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 16, 2011, 09:13:44 PM
Quote from: Orior on June 16, 2011, 08:38:43 PM
I assume tickets will be easy got in the town?
I'll get you two great seats in the Pat McGrane Stand for only €5 over face value.
Never listen to him lad. I'll see his Pat McGrane and sell you 1045 tickets for the Gerry Arthurs. Cost price.
Armagh team announced on official website - unchanged from Down game
ARMAGH TEAM V DERRY
19/06/2011
1. Paul Hearty Crossmaglen
2. Andy Mallon Pearse Og
3. Brendan Donaghy Clonmore
4. Kevin Dyas Dromintee
5. Aaron Kernan Crossmaglen
6. Ciaran Mc Keever St. Patrick's
7. Paul Duffy Pearse Og
8. Kieran Toner Granemore
9. Charlie Vernon Armagh Harps
10 Tony Kernan Crossmaglen
11 Billy Joe Padden Carrickcruppin
12. Malachy Mackin St. Patrick's
13. Micheal O'Rourke Dromintee
14. Steven McDonnell Killeavy
15. Jamie Clarke Crossmaglen
16. Philip McEvoy Dromintee
17. Gavin McParland Ballymacnab
18. Colm Watters Cullaville
19. Finnian Moriarity Wolfe Tones
20. John Murtagh Parnells
21. Brian Mallon Tir Na nOg
22. Vincent Martin Dromintee
23. Declan McKenna Armagh Harps
24. James Lavery Maghery
25. David McKenna Crossmaglen
26. Rory Grugan Ballymacnab
No big surprise there........
Derry team named
Danny Devlin
SL McG McCloy McBride
McAlary Kielt Bateson
Diver Friel
Lynch O'Boyle Barry McG
Muldoon Skinner Gilligan
Barring Gerard O'Kane its probably the strongest team we have available.
Intersting to see how they are actually deployed on the day....looking forward to it now!
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 16, 2011, 09:46:40 PM
Derry team named
Danny Devlin
SL McG McCloy McBride
McAlary Kielt Bateson
Diver Friel
Lynch O'Boyle Barry McG
Muldoon Skinner Gilligan
Barring Gerard O'Kane its probably the strongest team we have available.
Intersting to see how they are actually deployed on the day....looking forward to it now!
I kow big Enda will probadly come back into roam the middle, but on paper thats about as strong a full forward line in Irlande. I am extremely worried about Derry at the middle of the park, very hot and cold. But ya never know. Doire by 3.
Who's for marking Jamie Clarke? SL McG - Not a man marker, but a solid footballer McCloy - has a turning circle of a lorry McBride - Gets the job done from what I see, nothing more nothing less.
Quote from: DoireGael on June 16, 2011, 09:48:50 PM
I kow big Enda will probadly come back into roam the middle, but on paper thats about as strong a full forward line in Irlande
No harm to you (se) but it's not even close. Tyrone, Down, Armagh and Donegal have better FF lines and that's only in ulster.
What's up with Gerard O'Kane?
I fancy Derry to win this one as I think Armagh maybe won't be able to get as up for it as for the down game. I would however worry about who McCloy is going to mark - I don't think he has the ability to mark players of the calibre of McDonnel or Clarke.
Quote from: DoireGael on June 16, 2011, 09:48:50 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 16, 2011, 09:46:40 PM
Derry team named
Danny Devlin
SL McG McCloy McBride
McAlary Kielt Bateson
Diver Friel
Lynch O'Boyle Barry McG
Muldoon Skinner Gilligan
Barring Gerard O'Kane its probably the strongest team we have available.
Intersting to see how they are actually deployed on the day....looking forward to it now!
I kow big Enda will probadly come back into roam the middle, but on paper thats about as strong a full forward line in Irlande. I am extremely worried about Derry at the middle of the park, very hot and cold. But ya never know. Doire by 3
Aye MF will be a problem for us but if we can break even there, I think we have the forwards to do damage. BUT....I think we wont break even and our full back line will have real trouble with Clarke and McDonnell. I wonder will Barry McG drop into defence as a sweeper.....or will he play in the forwards.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 16, 2011, 09:54:30 PM
Quote from: DoireGael on June 16, 2011, 09:48:50 PM
I kow big Enda will probadly come back into roam the middle, but on paper thats about as strong a full forward line in Irlande
No harm to you (se) but it's not even close. Tyrone, Down, Armagh and Donegal have better FF lines and that's only in ulster.
What's up with Gerard O'Kane?
I fancy Derry to win this one as I think Armagh maybe won't be able to get as up for it as for the down game. I would however worry about who McCloy is going to mark - I don't think he has the ability to mark players of the calibre of McDonnel or Clarke.
Will see about that on Sunday................................. ;) (Gilligans in the forms of his life, Skinner is Skinner) At the end of the day Downs full back line was as bad if not worse than Derrys. Donegal?lol
armagh are fcked
ger o'kane is a massive miss for derry. still think muldoon will play up with mcgoldrick playing the role he played against fermanagh as an extra half back. they especially need to do this as that hb line is very inexperienced. that would leave gilligan playing as a hf. Think our forwards can def get more change outve that backline than Derrys forwards can get outve ours.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 16, 2011, 09:54:30 PM
Quote from: DoireGael on June 16, 2011, 09:48:50 PM
I kow big Enda will probadly come back into roam the middle, but on paper thats about as strong a full forward line in Irlande
No harm to you (se) but it's not even close. Tyrone, Down, Armagh and Donegal have better FF lines and that's only in ulster.
What's up with Gerard O'Kane?
I fancy Derry to win this one as I think Armagh maybe won't be able to get as up for it as for the down game. I would however worry about who McCloy is going to mark - I don't think he has the ability to mark players of the calibre of McDonnel or Clarke.
took a bit of a knock in a recent league game I believe, that or maybe he didn't fancy it against Armagh after the beating he got at the boxing down in Forkhill last year.
McBride is derry's best man-marker so it's a given he will pick up J Clarke i think.
McCloy probably best suited to Padden when he plays in if he does at all. Armagh will try and pull McCloy out the field i reckon.
Ideally would have put Ger back on McDonnell.
Doubt Derry will be going gung-hoo approach as some protection must be given to the full back line against quality inside men.
M O'Rourke will have to be pressed tight and not given time to kick pass quality ball into the FF line like he did to great effect against Down.
Declan Mullan could be good to spring from the bench, searing pace to put armagh's half back line on the back foot right away.
Expect derry to put up a good fight but armagh's experience may see them through by two.....
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I kow big Enda will probadly come back into roam the middle, but on paper thats about as strong a full forward line in Irlande
No harm to you (se) but it's not even close. Tyrone, Down, Armagh and Donegal have better FF lines and that's only in ulster.
What's up with Gerard O'Kane?
I fancy Derry to win this one as I think Armagh maybe won't be able to get as up for it as for the down game. I would however worry about who McCloy is going to mark - I don't think he has the ability to mark players of the calibre of McDonnel or Clarke.
Will see about that on Sunday................................. ;) (Gilligans in the forms of his life, Skinner is Skinner) At the end of the day Downs full back line was as bad if not worse than Derrys. Donegal?lol
I like Gilligan as a player however he has never, in my view, performed at championship level. Muldoon is half the player he used to be. Skinner granted has great ability - if he stays on his feet.
Michael Murphy, Colm McFadden and no matter who else Donegal put there it is still better - in fact considerably so.
Nothing against Derry - I hope they win. However it is that kind of dilluded opinion that puts so much pressure on their managers!!
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Derry team named
Danny Devlin
SL McG McCloy McBride
McAlary Kielt Bateson
Diver Friel
Lynch O'Boyle Barry McG
Muldoon Skinner Gilligan
Barring Gerard O'Kane its probably the strongest team we have available.
Intersting to see how they are actually deployed on the day....looking forward to it now!
I kow big Enda will probadly come back into roam the middle, but on paper thats about as strong a full forward line in Irlande.
One of the most delusional comments a supporter has ever made. The best FF line in Ireland - is he for real?
Take a day off son.
Unchanged team.......we are an open book to the tactical genius that is John Brennan.....Derry by 7.
Im getting off the fence! Derry to rampage in to the final! :) Armaghs ulster championship to go up in flames just like their fuel laundering empire to the sound of the greatest GAA chant known to man: "Dery!.... Derry!..... Derry!...." :D
Quote from: HiMucker on June 17, 2011, 10:40:35 AM
Im getting off the fence! Derry to rampage in to the final! :) Armaghs ulster championship to go up in flames just like their fuel laundering empire to the sound of the greatest GAA chant known to man: "Dery!.... Derry!..... Derry!...." :D
why cant we chant it right the first time mucker!! City boys!!! ;D ;) ;D Doire Abu!!
Quote from: mackers on June 17, 2011, 10:22:41 AM
Unchanged team.......we are an open book to the tactical genius that is John Brennan.....Derry by 7.
don't mess with brennan. He'll ate ya up lad and send you back on the 20 min journey home.
Derry will have this game wrapped up at Half time and should match the same total score they got against Fermanagh. Derry by 10, no point Armagh even turning. ;)
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Im getting off the fence! Derry to rampage in to the final! :) Armaghs ulster championship to go up in flames just like their fuel laundering empire to the sound of the greatest GAA chant known to man: "Dery!.... Derry!..... Derry!...." :D
It'll be a reunion of the Clones 500 this weekend....hopefully with the same result!
On ye boys ye!
DOIRE ABU!!!!
Derry's to lose. POR obviously has no faith in his squad to be naming an unchanged team when it is clear that there will have to be changes to deal with the best FF line in Ireland. Skinner will tear uis a new one and Big Enda will push CV and KT around like rag dolls. I'd say there are a lot of sisters looking forward to Sunday night!
Can't see Derry losing this one.Fancy them to win by 3.
Quote from: Club Rossa on June 17, 2011, 11:31:23 AM
Can't see Derry losing this one.Fancy them to win by 3.
And setting up the Derry v Donegal final ;) :D
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Can't see Derry losing this one.Fancy them to win by 3.
call down to the bridge bar lad. Big night planned!
I hear Paddy Bradley is back training with the County Squad and could be a shock inclusion in the panel for Sunday!
Football from a different age...featuring a young George "Danger Here" Hamilton when he was with the BBC
BBC's preview of the 1977 Ulster Final between Derry & Armagh
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/13792066.stm
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 17, 2011, 11:50:10 AM
I hear Paddy Bradley is back training with the County Squad and could be a shock inclusion in the panel for Sunday!
Anthony Tohill is back training as well.
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Quote from: mackers on June 17, 2011, 10:22:41 AM
Unchanged team.......we are an open book to the tactical genius that is John Brennan.....Derry by 7.
don't mess with brennan. He'll ate ya up lad and send you back on the 20 min journey home.
:D :D :D
Big Joe Diver will swot the two Grimleys like flies on his arm...
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I hear Paddy Bradley is back training with the County Squad and could be a shock inclusion in the panel for Sunday!
Anthony Tohill is back training as well.
That's just silly.....he's way past it!
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Quote from: tbrick18 on June 17, 2011, 11:50:10 AM
I hear Paddy Bradley is back training with the County Squad and could be a shock inclusion in the panel for Sunday!
Anthony Tohill is back training as well.
That's just silly.....he's way past it!
John Brennan was up his house last night I heard. Tohill is 7 feet tall. ... if he were there he'd consume Armagh with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse.
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Quote from: tbrick18 on June 17, 2011, 11:50:10 AM
I hear Paddy Bradley is back training with the County Squad and could be a shock inclusion in the panel for Sunday!
Anthony Tohill is back training as well.
That's just silly.....he's way past it!
John Brennan was up his house last night I heard. Tohill is 7 feet tall. ... if he were there he'd consume Armagh with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse.
Ye see thats a load of shite! There's only one man can do that
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Good luck to Armagh in Sunday, hopefully it dries up a bit or it could turn out to be a very scrappy affair. I'd say Derry will go into this game with a very defensive approach. If Armagh win the middle and get good ball in to clarke & stevie I fancy us to progress to the final against ...... Donegal
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Quote from: tbrick18 on June 17, 2011, 11:50:10 AM
I hear Paddy Bradley is back training with the County Squad and could be a shock inclusion in the panel for Sunday!
Anthony Tohill is back training as well.
That's just silly.....he's way past it!
John Brennan was up his house last night I heard. Tohill is 7 feet tall. ... if he were there he'd consume Armagh with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse.
I suppose if Graham Geraghty can do it then why not? We'll hardly need him for this game though....we'll keep him in reserve for the final.
;D
Ahh, 'tis great banter. You wouldn't get craic like this with Tyrone now lads. Dour hures.
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Quote from: tbrick18 on June 17, 2011, 11:50:10 AM
I hear Paddy Bradley is back training with the County Squad and could be a shock inclusion in the panel for Sunday!
Anthony Tohill is back training as well.
That's just silly.....he's way past it!
John Brennan was up his house last night I heard. Tohill is 7 feet tall. ... if he were there he'd consume Armagh with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse.
Ye see thats a load of shite! There's only one man can do that
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No...it cant be..surely not..... Is that Billy Joe padden, fcuk he looks raring to go, I retract all earlier statements!
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Quote from: tbrick18 on June 17, 2011, 11:50:10 AM
I hear Paddy Bradley is back training with the County Squad and could be a shock inclusion in the panel for Sunday!
Anthony Tohill is back training as well.
That's just silly.....he's way past it!
John Brennan was up his house last night I heard. Tohill is 7 feet tall. ... if he were there he'd consume Armagh with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse.
Ye see thats a load of shite! There's only one man can do that
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No...it cant be..surely not..... Is that Billy Joe padden, fcuk he looks raring to go, I retract all earlier statements!
so it is sur...and andy mallon behind him too...
I'll give the Bridge bar a miss Sheamy,don't like crossing over the bridge to the dark side unless it's absolutely necessary ;)
Quotehopefully it dries up a bit or it could turn out to be a very scrappy affair.
Weather should be decent enough, by the sounds of things it will be dry in Clones until 4pm anyway and probably not excessively hot either, except under Brennan's collar.
Sunday will begin dry, and there'll be some sunny breaks in the north and east. However rain will arrive in the southwest by midday and will the spread northeast to all parts later in the evening and overnight Sunday.
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 17, 2011, 11:50:10 AM
I hear Paddy Bradley is back training with the County Squad and could be a shock inclusion in the panel for Sunday!
So much for the best full forward line in the country!!! :D
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Quote from: tbrick18 on June 17, 2011, 11:50:10 AM
I hear Paddy Bradley is back training with the County Squad and could be a shock inclusion in the panel for Sunday!
So much for the best full forward line in the country!!! :D
:D :D ;)
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Quote from: tbrick18 on June 17, 2011, 11:50:10 AM
I hear Paddy Bradley is back training with the County Squad and could be a shock inclusion in the panel for Sunday!
So much for the best full forward line in the country!!! :D
Best full forward line against the best full back line... lol!
You better hope I dont see u in Clones goats....I might just have to bust ye! ;)
I can't understand why some people believe Derry will be set up defensively on Sunday. John Brennan hasn't put a defensive-minded side out at any stage this year, so it's hard to fathom why he would do so against a team that really only contains two scoring forwards.
People seem to have got it into their heads that Armagh are playing some sort of new attacking style of football. I don't believe this to be the case, I think it was something they stumbled across against Down. Down's forward line was totally ineffective, and the expertise of Armagh's defenders enabled them to get the ball in hand and set up attacks relatively quickly with Down on the back foot.
Padden and Mackin certainly weren't on the field for their scoring ability, and that half-forward line will struggle to score six points again for the whole remainder of the season.
Anyway, the Down Armagh game is irrelevant. If you want a barometer then a closer one is probably last year's preliminary game. Armagh won by three points, while Derry missed a late penalty and had Eoin Bradley harshly sent off. In other words there was very little between the teams. In fact, I thought Armagh were a poor enough outfit as Monaghan confirmed a few weeks later. I don't think they've changed that much to be honest.
The only problem from a Derry perspective is that we're worse! And we're missing Fergal Doherty/Paddy Bradley/Gerard O'Kane. Arguably our three best/most effective players.
I expect Armagh to lean heavily on their defence. It's easily their strongest area, and Brendan Donaghy is an excellent full-back. So, Derry's attacking approach may not necessarily reap dividends and the packed defence is something we've always struggled with. Between Clarke, McDonnell, and maybe Aaron Kernan, Armagh should get enough scores to win the game.
Armagh aren't great, but all-round they're better than this Derry team.
good post will and I agree entirely. As I said the other day, Armagh will revert to type (if they ever really changed). Twelve men in defence and play on the counter.
They'll focus on trying to turn over the ball a) in our full back line and then b) on their 40 when they're camped in. Quick breaks or turnovers to create goal chances for the two boys up front. It makes sense. Comes down to how many mistakes in possession Derry make and how much ball Derry can win at midfield. Go down in either aspect and it's goodnight.
Quote from: Will Hunting on June 17, 2011, 02:29:19 PM
I can't understand why some people believe Derry will be set up defensively on Sunday. John Brennan hasn't put a defensive-minded side out at any stage this year, so it's hard to fathom why he would do so against a team that really only contains two scoring forwards.
People seem to have got it into their heads that Armagh are playing some sort of new attacking style of football. I don't believe this to be the case, I think it was something they stumbled across against Down. Down's forward line was totally ineffective, and the expertise of Armagh's defenders enabled them to get the ball in hand and set up attacks relatively quickly with Down on the back foot.
Padden and Mackin certainly weren't on the field for their scoring ability, and that half-forward line will struggle to score six points again for the whole remainder of the season.
Anyway, the Down Armagh game is irrelevant. If you want a barometer then a closer one is probably last year's preliminary game. Armagh won by three points, while Derry missed a late penalty and had Eoin Bradley harshly sent off. In other words there was very little between the teams. In fact, I thought Armagh were a poor enough outfit as Monaghan confirmed a few weeks later. I don't think they've changed that much to be honest.
The only problem from a Derry perspective is that we're worse! And we're missing Fergal Doherty/Paddy Bradley/Gerard O'Kane. Arguably our three best/most effective players.
I expect Armagh to lean heavily on their defence. It's easily their strongest area, and Brendan Donaghy is an excellent full-back. So, Derry's attacking approach may not necessarily reap dividends and the packed defence is something we've always struggled with. Between Clarke, McDonnell, and maybe Aaron Kernan, Armagh should get enough scores to win the game.
Armagh aren't great, but all-round they're better than this Derry team.
Unfortunately I agree!
BUT....I think Armagh's defence are what they were either. I think if you run at them....which Derry will do, they will struggle.
Armagh arent great, but they are probably still better than us :(
Derry by 1point.
See yous Sunday....
I got my season ticket today. Section KO row C. Can anyone confirm this is 3 rows from the front of the stand. And if it is the case it is a total disgrace that a supporter who was prepared to travel to both Mayo and Cork is treated to one of the worst seats possible. Not good enough.
Quote from: hardstation on June 18, 2011, 12:08:16 AM
Why is 3 rows from the front "one of the worst seats possible"?
You cant be serious hardstation. All you see is legs and have absolutely no perspective on flight of the ball or players positioning. It is terrible place to be. They can stuff it. Ill be going to the hill and you can have ticket if you want. NO CHARGE.
Quote from: Will Hunting on June 17, 2011, 02:29:19 PM
I can't understand why some people believe Derry will be set up defensively on Sunday. John Brennan hasn't put a defensive-minded side out at any stage this year, so it's hard to fathom why he would do so against a team that really only contains two scoring forwards.
People seem to have got it into their heads that Armagh are playing some sort of new attacking style of football. I don't believe this to be the case, I think it was something they stumbled across against Down. Down's forward line was totally ineffective, and the expertise of Armagh's defenders enabled them to get the ball in hand and set up attacks relatively quickly with Down on the back foot.
Think there may be an element of truth to this Will. We had Down on the back foot early on a wet pitch and confidence grew from there. Hopefully we can continue with this style of play because we have good enough defenders to go man to man against most teams.
If Charlie Vernon keeps up his form between him, Toner, Mackin and Padden Armagh will hopefully win the majority of possession which might be enough to see us home.
Quote from: lemallon on June 18, 2011, 12:05:21 AM
I got my season ticket today. Section KO row C. Can anyone confirm this is 3 rows from the front of the stand. And if it is the case it is a total disgrace that a supporter who was prepared to travel to both Mayo and Cork is treated to one of the worst seats possible. Not good enough.
You would be correct.
Quote from: lemallon on June 18, 2011, 12:13:33 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 18, 2011, 12:08:16 AM
Why is 3 rows from the front "one of the worst seats possible"?
You cant be serious hardstation. All you see is legs and have absolutely no perspective on flight of the ball or players positioning. It is terrible place to be. They can stuff it. Ill be going to the hill and you can have ticket if you want. NO CHARGE.
You'll be lucky if that's what you'll see. You will be looking through the wire and if your lucky enough you will have one of them big yellow gates to look through as well.
Quote from: Will Hunting on June 17, 2011, 02:29:19 PM
Anyway, the Down Armagh game is irrelevant. If you want a barometer then a closer one is probably last year's preliminary game. Armagh won by three points, while Derry missed a late penalty and had Eoin Bradley harshly sent off. In other words there was very little between the teams. In fact, I thought Armagh were a poor enough outfit as Monaghan confirmed a few weeks later. I don't think they've changed that much to be honest.
A good overall post, but perpetuating disinformation about the Monaghan match, Armagh had a man sent of after 20 odd minutes remember. It was starting to go south before that fair enough, but journo's and commentators (Brolly & Heaney mainly :P) who seemed to have an axe to grind were in heaven and the sending off barely came under their notice. Also - Monaghan were (and probably still are) a far far better team than Derry.
I've no idea what Armagh is going to turn up tomorrow, hopefully the one that saw of Down. Expecting to reach similar heights again probably is expecting a bit much tbh. As I said a near the start of this thread, we've felt in Armagh for a while that the players are there and they just need to be harnassed, hopefully we saw the beginning of that v Down and will see a continuation of that tomorrow.
Goona be a close game 2mara, fancy Armagh by 1-3pts (11/4 in bookies) but def won't be surprised if it's a draw. Hopefully get a Armagh v Tyrone Ulster final
My lift just fell through, does anyone know of any buses going from Armagh city ?
pm me
Will be a tight match and hopefully Armagh squeeze out a 2 point win.
Ardchieftan this fella posted this on the Armaghgaa website if its any good to you.
'Ive a bus going from armagh city, 8 seats left pm for details if interested.'
Heres his link
http://www.armaghgaa.net/forum/members/sir-clunge/
Good luck!
Quote from: bennydorano on June 18, 2011, 11:59:25 AM
Quote from: Will Hunting on June 17, 2011, 02:29:19 PM
Anyway, the Down Armagh game is irrelevant. If you want a barometer then a closer one is probably last year's preliminary game. Armagh won by three points, while Derry missed a late penalty and had Eoin Bradley harshly sent off. In other words there was very little between the teams. In fact, I thought Armagh were a poor enough outfit as Monaghan confirmed a few weeks later. I don't think they've changed that much to be honest.
A good overall post, but perpetuating disinformation about the Monaghan match, Armagh had a man sent of after 20 odd minutes remember. It was starting to go south before that fair enough, but journo's and commentators (Brolly & Heaney mainly :P) who seemed to have an axe to grind were in heaven and the sending off barely came under their notice. Also - Monaghan were (and probably still are) a far far better team than Derry.I've no idea what Armagh is going to turn up tomorrow, hopefully the one that saw of Down. Expecting to reach similar heights again probably is expecting a bit much tbh. As I said a near the start of this thread, we've felt in Armagh for a while that the players are there and they just need to be harnassed, hopefully we saw the beginning of that v Down and will see a continuation of that tomorrow.
They couldn't be that much better than Derry, we played them twice in the 2009 championship and beat them twice (the second time after they'd bate armagh if i mind right).
Quote from: lemallon on June 18, 2011, 12:13:33 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 18, 2011, 12:08:16 AM
Why is 3 rows from the front "one of the worst seats possible"?
You cant be serious hardstation. All you see is legs and have absolutely no perspective on flight of the ball or players positioning. It is terrible place to be. They can stuff it. Ill be going to the hill and you can have ticket if you want. NO CHARGE.
le get yourself down to those seats behind the far goals, crackin view from the high seats there, my fav spot in clones.
i mind being there time we played derry in the qualifiers and we made mccloy look like a feckin genius, hopefully he's exposed left right and centre tomorrow, would make me day
Forecast now giving showers for tomorrow. Bring a coat and leave your umbrella at home
Quote from: armaghniac on June 18, 2011, 10:17:25 PM
Forecast now giving showers for tomorrow. Bring a coat and leave your umbrella at home
i paid for my ticket too you know, i can put me f**king umbrella if I want tae!!
Ulster Senior Football Championship
First Round
Sunday May 28th 1995
The Athletic Grounds Armagh
Armagh 0-10
Cathal O'Rourke(0-7) Des Mackin(0-1) Diarmuid Marsden(0-1) Martin McQuillan(0-1)
Derry 1-17
Enda Gormley(0-4) Henry Downey(1-0) Anthony Tohill(0-2) Damien Barton(0-2) Declan Bateson(0-2) Seamus Downey(0-2)Johnny McGurk(0-1)Brian McGilligan(0-1) Dermot Heaney(0-1) Damien Cassidy(0-1) Gary McGilll(0-1)
Half Time:
Armagh 0-05
Derry 0-10
Could be tight.
Quote from: drici on June 18, 2011, 10:37:49 PM
Ulster Senior Football Championship
First Round
Sunday May 28th 1995
The Athletic Grounds Armagh
Armagh 0-10
Cathal O'Rourke(0-7) Des Mackin(0-1) Diarmuid Marsden(0-1) Martin McQuillan(0-1)
Derry 1-17
Enda Gormley(0-4) Henry Downey(1-0) Anthony Tohill(0-2) Damien Barton(0-2) Declan Bateson(0-2) Seamus Downey(0-2)Johnny McGurk(0-1)Brian McGilligan(0-1) Dermot Heaney(0-1) Damien Cassidy(0-1) Gary McGilll(0-1)
Half Time:
Armagh 0-05
Derry 0-10
Could be tight.
if we have 11 different scorers tomorrow we will definately win :D
those were the days. Score 1-17 and top scorer was 0-4, likely all from frees too ;)
Thanks borderfox, saw that earlier and sent him a private message several hours ago.
A good read about McGurn in the paper
From BBC
We're hearing of 2 possible Derry changes: Kevin mc guckin for mc cloy. James Kielt for Caolan o'boyle
This game wiil suit kielt with his long range kicking. Mcguckin still a sticky enough marker..
big decision coming up here - Joe Diver off ???
thats a great game of football today. Not sure of some of those yellows being reported are actually being shown the book. Ref may be a bit niggly for my taste but he's fair. Derry playing great stuff, bradley and lynch on fire, but having great support from the midfield and the derry movement off the ball and support running is a treat to watch.
A kernan looks a bit off the pace since that injury and was a half step behind for the goal. would switch him at this stage. Brennan must be congratulated on this performance so far...
Did Canavan buy up the wardrobe when The Sopranos finished?
Enjoyable game.
Listening to Liam Hayes and Conor Deegan on Newstalk.
The standard of analysis is streets ahead of RTE.
Just heard Spillane on about "kick-passing" and how he's "enjoying" the game there again like he's just stepped out of the 1950's.
Brolly calling Paddy O Rourke a poor manager. Not very nice.
Dunno why they have Brolly and Spillane on together.
Brolly wouldn't have said that about POR if he had Colm beside him.
Spillane lacks the necessary manliness to control Joe.
Good game, very physical but open.
Think Armagh will finish strongly so Derry will need to be leading by about 5/6 pts with 20 mins to go.
All too easy for Derry at the minute.
Defence went AWOL on that goal.
This is great to watch. Hope Derry March on & get their hands on Ulster. Armagh havent turned up yet
heating up
Armagh defence non existant
Come on Derry!! Keep it up
Can anyone post the score and the time left please?
Armagh being ripped to shred all over the field
derr 3-12 Armagh 1-11 62 mins
Brennan should have had the Derry gig years ago.
3-12 to 1-11 with 6 left puck
Thanks fellas, that's a big score from Derry. I might have thought 1-11 would have won this.
Derry 3.14 Armagh 1-11. Extra time
Exciting match,excellent performance from Derry but the defending by Armagh today was criminal! repeat of the 1998 Ulster final?
fantastic game today- great performance from Derry, out played a solid Armagh team. Master class from Brennan in how to beat Paddy O Rourke's team. While Armagh will be very dangerous in the back door against a less prepared team, anyone that follows that roadmap will shred them again, however that performance from Derry was exceptional all over the field.
Armagh had no path to Stevie or Jamie and that was all they had. Congrats to a great showing and good luck in the final.
Great match. Derry great. Armagh supply inside the 40 was gash.
Hearty is massive so why does he not spread himself when bearing down on a forward. Poor.
Well done Derry, everything went for you and deservedly so.Bradley Lynch Diver all immense. Hope you push on and win ulster now. As for Armagh i have said it time and time again, play with 6 fowards and we can progress, today we didnt again. Why wasnt Mallon put on Bradley straight away, why did Vince Martin start? Cleaned out at midfield, starved of posession up front, usual aul shite. Im away to drown the sorrows.
Back door it is.
Thought the McDonnell saved shot followed by thr Gilligan goal was a big turning point. Armagh in it up til that point.
Stevie had anothr goal chance in the first half. Clarke would have bagged both.
Is the pressure of Captaincy weighing on McDonnell?
Great to see mckeever get a roasting.
With the exception of Micheal O'Rourke - how on earth was he taken off? - Vernon and McDonnell (from frees, poor goal misses) nobody showed up for Armagh. Duffy did well when he came on. Horrendous. Leaving so much space in front of Bradley was criminal when it beace apparent that he was going to skin McKeever or Donaghy.
Very impressive display by Derry.
I would have put my house on McDonnell hitting the back of the net with that one on one chance, then Derry go up the end, score a great goal and killed the game stone dead.
Referee McGoldrick did well I thought.
I think a lot went right for Derry and wrong for Armagh in that match . Armagh missed at least a couple of goal chances that on another day would have changed the momentum of the game.
Brollys comments on Paddy O'Rourke were unnecessary and nasty . Saying that in his opinion Paddy O Rourke is not a great man to see and make a switch might be considered analysis.To say POR is a " bad manager" and " I dont rate him" is not.
I dunno what planet Brolly is on if he thinks Clarke is in the same league as Cooper and Brogan.
Also, Hearty is very windy for a big man.
Best team won, McDonnell goal chance to Derry goal killed off game.
Quote from: bcarrier on June 19, 2011, 03:56:43 PM
Brollys comments on Paddy O'Rourke were unnecessary and nasty . Saying that in his opinion Paddy O Rourke is not a great man to see and make a switch might be considered analysis.To say POR is a " bad manager" and " I dont rate him" is not.
+1
Mc Donnell passed off another good goal chance when they were still in it, he decided to pass it over to Clarke who palmed against the post. I thought he was in a better spot to shoot.
Well impressed with Derry, Brennen will keep there feet on the ground, they could be in the shake up this year. Tyrone and Donegal both would have to up their performance to beat them in the UF.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 19, 2011, 02:45:35 PM
Did Canavan buy up the wardrobe when The Sopranos finished?
Quote of the day !
Didn't see that coming at all. The four goals were great as a neutral. Armagh were clearly focussed on the Down game and Derry ambushed them big-time. Bradley and Lynch were unmarkable. Brolly was funny- however, disagree with his assessment that Stevie from Killeavy is on the wane; he set up O'Rourke's goal , was flawless from the dead ball and a threat every time. Hat off to John Brennan -enjoyed his pre-match interviews and he's clearly a very bright man- recognises the importance of man-management, particularly for amateur players
McDonnell would have buried at least two of those goal chances five or six years ago.
Armagh could meet Down in the qualifiers.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 19, 2011, 04:46:39 PM
Armagh could meet Down in the qualifiers.
Hopefully we get Kildare/Dublin - they can put us out of our misery.
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on June 19, 2011, 04:49:09 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 19, 2011, 04:46:39 PM
Armagh could meet Down in the qualifiers.
Hopefully we get Kildare/Dublin - they can put us out of our misery.
Not this time, all semi-finalists on same side of the draw.
Congratulations Derry, hope they go on to win it, well overdue an Ulster for a such a good footballing county. Made Armagh look like wee boys there today.
Quote from: RMDrive on June 19, 2011, 04:23:54 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on June 19, 2011, 03:56:43 PM
Brollys comments on Paddy O'Rourke were unnecessary and nasty . Saying that in his opinion Paddy O Rourke is not a great man to see and make a switch might be considered analysis.To say POR is a " bad manager" and " I dont rate him" is not.
+1
But entirely accurate.
Well beaten by a superior team on the day. I must say I disagree entirely with the analysis that Armagh were too defensive. If anything we weren't defensive enough and should have put a sweeper in front of Bradley when it became obvious that he was causing so much damage. Felt sorry for Jamie Clarke, threatened to have a stormer early on but simply didn't get a reasonable supply of ball.
Disappointing that Stevie McDonnell missed two gilt edged goal chances, striking both straight at the keeper. Had the second half goal chance gone in, Armagh were a point ahead and well in the match. It was saved and a minute later Derry had the ball in the net and were home and hosed 7 points clear.
Hearty - Keeps you on the edge of the seat but generally makes the right decision to come out and challenge for balls while others would remain rooted to their line - 7
Mallon - Badly at fault for second goal - 5
Donaghy - Roasted by Bradley early on, a similar fate was to befall 2 teammates - 4
Dyas - Not in the game much - 5
Kernan - Appeared hampered by injury - 5
McKeever - Lack of match sharpness understandable given that he's played once since March, Bradley got much the better of him - 5
Vincie Martin - It's not his fault he was put in that position - 4
Toner - Ineffectual around the middle, curbed Lynch slightly in second half - 5
Vernon - Never really got going but perhaps the better of the two at midfield - 6
T Kernan - Anonymous - 4
Padden - Couldn't get into the match - 5
Mackin - Thought Mal battled hard, broke a few balls and generally did alright without being spectacular - 6.5
O'Rourke - Took his goal very well - 7
McDonnell - 2 great goal chances went begging, unusually quiet from play for the 2nd match in the row but excellent free-taking. Is this the first time he's regularly kicked frees from the ground? - 6
Clarke - Threatened to cause havoc int he first half but the supply soon dried up - 7
Subs
Lavery - Caught a couple of balls when introduced - 6
None of the other subs were any addition
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 19, 2011, 05:51:15 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on June 19, 2011, 04:23:54 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on June 19, 2011, 03:56:43 PM
Brollys comments on Paddy O'Rourke were unnecessary and nasty . Saying that in his opinion Paddy O Rourke is not a great man to see and make a switch might be considered analysis.To say POR is a " bad manager" and " I dont rate him" is not.
+1
But entirely accurate.
Well beaten by a superior team on the day. I must say I disagree entirely with the analysis that Armagh were too defensive. If anything we weren't defensive enough and should have put a sweeper in front of Bradley when it became obvious that he was causing so much damage. Felt sorry for Jamie Clarke, threatened to have a stormer early on but simply didn't get a reasonable supply of ball.
Disappointing that Stevie McDonnell missed two gilt edged goal chances, striking both straight at the keeper. Had the second half goal chance gone in, Armagh were a point ahead and well in the match. It was saved and a minute later Derry had the ball in the net and were home and hosed 7 points clear.
Hearty - Keeps you on the edge of the seat but generally makes the right decision to come out and challenge for balls while others would remain rooted to their line - 7
Mallon - Badly at fault for second goal - 5
Donaghy - Roasted by Bradley early on, a similar fate was to befall 2 teammates - 4
Dyas - Not in the game much - 5
Kernan - Appeared hampered by injury - 5
McKeever - Lack of match sharpness understandable given that he's played once since March, Bradley got much the better of him - 5
Vincie Martin - It's not his fault he was put in that position - 4
Toner - Ineffectual around the middle, curbed Lynch slightly in second half - 5
Vernon - Never really got going but perhaps the better of the two at midfield - 6
T Kernan - Anonymous - 4
Padden - Couldn't get into the match - 5
Mackin - Thought Mal battled hard, broke a few ball and generally did alright without being spectacular - 6.5
O'Rourke - Took his goal very well - 7
McDonnell - 2 great goal chances went begging, unusually quiet from play for the 2nd match in the row but excellent free-taking. Is this the first time he's regularly kicked frees from the ground? - 6
Clarke - Threatened to cause havoc int he first half but the supply soon dried up - 7
Subs
Lavery - Caught a couple of balls when introduced - 6
None of the other subs were any addition
Didnt even realise he was on the picth untill he was substituted.
As was said on TV. Armagh are probably not as good as they looked against Down and not as bad as they looked today. Someone said about Jamie Clarke not being as good as Brogan or Gooch. Put him in Kerry or Dublin's full forward line and he would look every bit as good as those two. He got no service today and in fairness to him we looked at panic stations whenever he touched the ball.
We have had a bad rep down the years of being chokers/not having the players etc. I always believed we did have the players (Until last year maybe) and today I was proved right. Our lads have pedigree and a lot of them have done it at Minor/Schools/Club/Sigerson level. It probably took a Messiah like Brennan to get it out of them.
Again I will state that we are not All Ireland contenders but we have made a step in the direction which is all anyone from Derry was hoping for at this stage. Well done to all involved that was superb!!
Slow decisions on the sideline to make changes were crucial. Mallon should have been on Skinner, Donaghy on Gilligan, McKeever should have been pushed onto Lynch as he was the only defender who had the physicality for him. HF line anonymous and allowed the Derry HB line to attack too easy. Very slear that once Derry got ahead they dropped McGuckian back in front of the FF line and pressure should have been put on him by going to a flat 15. MOR should not have been taken off, Padden was anonymous TK hit a few decent balls in 1st half but drifted out badly. No ball-player in CHF is killing the front 2.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 19, 2011, 06:33:46 PM
Slow decisions on the sideline to make changes were crucial. Mallon should have been on Skinner, Donaghy on Gilligan, McKeever should have been pushed onto Lynch as he was the only defender who had the physicality for him. HF line anonymous and allowed the Derry HB line to attack too easy. Very slear that once Derry got ahead they dropped McGuckian back in front of the FF line and pressure should have been put on him by going to a flat 15. MOR should not have been taken off, Padden was anonymous TK hit a few decent balls in 1st half but drifted out badly. No ball-player in CHF is killing the front 2.
god almighty couldn't have marked Skinner today. I doubt Mallon would have made much of an impression tbh. As I said all week, Armagh would be in two minds about these two styles of football. The failure to revert to blanket defence cost. You cannot go man for man on the likes of skinner, lynch and gilligan. Armagh are the first team not to play blanket defence against Derry in about 10 years in the ulster championship.
Saw this coming a mile off. Dublin are Armagh's only rivals when it comes to complacency.
best team won-lynch and bradley excellent saying that stevie`s miss and derry goal game changers
brennan had his tactics to a tee-- good luck in the final
hopefully we meet someone to put us out of our misery
Couldn't make it today, but my tuppence worth from watching the TV.
Niaive in the extreme in the defence, after 10 mins I was screaming for a sweeper, TK or BJP could have filled the role as neither filled their HF roles. Obvious we went into the game with the mentality that we weren't reverting to the defensive type of play we've employed recently - that in itself is may win you some media friends (&fans)who are sick of watching shite, but it's foolhardy also, you have to be prepared to adapt tactically. Last year we snuffed out Eoin bradley (was Paddy there too?), it should have been possible again today. We have to find the balance.
I didn't listen to any post match analysis but giving POR a booting is cheap and easy to do. When I saw Vincy Martin on I thought we've put a bit of thought into this as he has the physicality to pick up Lynch- it didn't work, and he was subbed after 30 mins I really dont know what else people expect - hindsight's 20/20 as they say. I felt we got it right with the subs as well and but for Gilligan's goal I reckon we'd be preparing for another UF appearance. It really knocked the stuffing out of us. I dont want to sound too churlish, but we had little luck, we got wiped out in around MF, had no HF line, starved our main threats of ball - but still for some excellent Derry goalkeeping it could have been a different ballgame.
Derry are now in the position we found ourselves in, probably knowhere to go but down in terms of performance. If they had've been playing Tyrone today, bradley and Lynch would have been nullified pretty handily IMO.
Kind draw required in the qualifiers to get a bit of momentum going again. If we learn from our mistakes we can still have a bit of a run.
Derry mightn't be stopped.
Good game of football and the best team won on the day, It reminded me so much of Kerry in'06. Derry got their goals at crucial times and pulled away just when we were getting our noses back into it and fair play to them they've been waiting a long time to get back into an Ulster final so fingers crossed for them hopefully they can go and do it this time.
On another day Stevie's two goal chances would of been converted and big Paul would have saved two of Derrys goals. Luck wasn't with us today.
I'm not too despondent about going into the back door to be honest as the extra games we might get will hopefully bring us on a bit more and we have plenty of Ulster championships in the locker to reminisce about.
Lets hope we get a handy enough draw to a non Ulster team next time out.
Quote from: borderfox on June 19, 2011, 07:12:45 PM
I'm not too despondent about going into the back door to be honest as the extra games we might get will hopefully bring us on a bit more and we have plenty of Ulster championships in the locker to reminisce about.
Lets hope we get a handy enough draw to a non Ulster team next time out.
Pretty much how I feel. If we can get a decent draw and learn from today we can still have a decent summer.
Derry were good, but got a lot of the breaks that we've missed out on in our last 7 ulster semi defeats since 2000 :o Also, a bit like armagh, a few of them came after good first round wins against decent opposition.
I heard McConville on talking before the game and you could sense that he'd bought into the belief that playing football wins matches, if Armagh had stuck with their traditional tactics they may well have won today, but then maybe they'd have lost to Down. Leaving skinner with that sort of space was madness, but as most derry supporters know, skinner has always been capable of a performance like today's and he may well have proved unmarkable anyway, christ knows enough boys were tried on him today!!
As it was, it was great to see a decent open game of football, plenty of goals and plenty of goal chances. Some excellent score taking and a bit of physicality too.
Devlin in goals for Derry made two great stops, real game changers, the defence while always looking vulnerable, steadied up and defended well in numbers. Both midfielders were excellent, big Diver has now had two very good games in a row for Derry, cna he make it three?
Up front lynch and Skinner stood out, but Kielt, Muldoon and Gilligan were also very important. It was an excellent team performance for Derry, there seems to be a good spirit in the camp at the minute, lads willing to go that bit extra for one and other. I'd say it wasn't a coincidence that the two lavey boys were the lads erroneously named on the team sheet either, Brennan probably told them what he was planning, O'Boyle came on and McCloy may well have a role to play against Donegal if they win.
All in all, our best performance in Ulster since 1997?
Quote from: sheamy on June 19, 2011, 06:40:45 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 19, 2011, 06:33:46 PM
Slow decisions on the sideline to make changes were crucial. Mallon should have been on Skinner, Donaghy on Gilligan, McKeever should have been pushed onto Lynch as he was the only defender who had the physicality for him. HF line anonymous and allowed the Derry HB line to attack too easy. Very slear that once Derry got ahead they dropped McGuckian back in front of the FF line and pressure should have been put on him by going to a flat 15. MOR should not have been taken off, Padden was anonymous TK hit a few decent balls in 1st half but drifted out badly. No ball-player in CHF is killing the front 2.
god almighty couldn't have marked Skinner today. I doubt Mallon would have made much of an impression tbh. As I said all week, Armagh would be in two minds about these two styles of football. The failure to revert to blanket defence cost. You cannot go man for man on the likes of skinner, lynch and gilligan. Armagh are the first team not to play blanket defence against Derry in about 10 years in the ulster championship.
In fairness sheamy Andy Mallon did well after Bradley's goal (I know it was too little too late). He beat him to a few balls and Eoin then started booting balls at him and got involved in a fracas with Brennan rightly taking him off. If he's getting involved in that silliness after taking Armagh to the cleaners what would he have been like if it was a tight match. I'd say that won't be lost on the Tyrone and Donegal management when they're thinking about how to handle him in the final. I felt that Donaghy was harshly yellow carded and as such had to stand off him. When he gets a chance to get turned and run at his man he is lethal.
Fair play to Derry they played well. POR was rightly applauded for getting the match ups right against Down and will be rightfully criticsed for getting them wrong today.
I have never liked Vincey Martin and he simply didn't have the pace for Mark Lynch who at last lived up to his reputation.
One of the Armagh posters earlier in the week dismissed Derry's midfield out of hand but they dominated our pairing. OUR HF line had a bad day although I thought Malachy Mackin put in a good shift.
As others have said we aren't as good as we looked against Down and not as bad as we looked today and we may still get a decent run in the qualifiers.
Finally, fair play to Paul McShane for getting our minors into their third Ulster final in a row.
Quote from: Bogball XV on June 19, 2011, 07:23:00 PM
Derry were good, but got a lot of the breaks that we've missed out on in our last 7 ulster semi defeats since 2000 :o Also, a bit like armagh, a few of them came after good first round wins against decent opposition.
I heard McConville on talking before the game and you could sense that he'd bought into the belief that playing football wins matches, if Armagh had stuck with their traditional tactics they may well have won today, but then maybe they'd have lost to Down. Leaving skinner with that sort of space was madness, but as most derry supporters know, skinner has always been capable of a performance like today's and he may well have proved unmarkable anyway, christ knows enough boys were tried on him today!!
As it was, it was great to see a decent open game of football, plenty of goals and plenty of goal chances. Some excellent score taking and a bit of physicality too.
Devlin in goals for Derry made two great stops, real game changers, the defence while always looking vulnerable, steadied up and defended well in numbers. Both midfielders were excellent, big Diver has now had two very good games in a row for Derry, cna he make it three?
Up front lynch and Skinner stood out, but Kielt, Muldoon and Gilligan were also very important. It was an excellent team performance for Derry, there seems to be a good spirit in the camp at the minute, lads willing to go that bit extra for one and other. I'd say it wasn't a coincidence that the two lavey boys were the lads erroneously named on the team sheet either, Brennan probably told them what he was planning, O'Boyle came on and McCloy may well have a role to play against Donegal if they win.
All in all, our best performance in Ulster since 1997?
On another day with a different ref Diver would have got the line. "Ifs" and "ands" though.
Armagh's decision to go man to man again today cost them the game, Either naive/madness/stupidity/ignorance or arrogance, but totally based on their victory over Down. Bradley is one of the most dangerous forwards in the game and teams have shown in the last ten years that if you put a line in front of the Bradleys or double up and choke the space they have very few other go too men. I would rate Brendan Dongahy, Andy Mallon and Ciaran McKeever as three of Ulster's best defenders but one on one with Eoin Bradley, with that sort of supply, you have no chance. Suppose they deserve credit for going out and playing football but that's a risky game against forwards like that. Delighted to see Mark Lynch playing so well, always rated him after underage/Sigerson games and he deserves to be recognised as a top class player.
Some brilliant scores, the point from Jamie Clarke was outrageous and Derry took their goals brilliantly.
Heard Bradley saying on the radio after that Mark Lynch had a tenner on himself to score the first goal at 14/1.
Was really surprised at Derry's dominance in the middle but it's obviously an area they work on a lot, a lot of breaks picked up and balls palmed down to the waiting player below or to the side.
To be fair to Paddy O'Rourke he had holes to plug all over the field and there wasn't a lot on the bench to turn to.
Quote from: ExiledGael on June 19, 2011, 07:41:03 PM
To be fair to Paddy O'Rourke he had holes to plug all over the field and there wasn't a lot on the bench to turn to.
That's a fair point.....especially in the forward division.
Nice to see Derry winning a big match
Quote from: mackers on June 19, 2011, 07:24:53 PM I felt that Donaghy was harshly yellow carded and as such had to stand off him. When he gets a chance to get turned and run at his man he is lethal.
He was all over Bradley every time it looked like the ball might be kicked in for the first 15 minutes, the ref had no choice, nor did Donaghy to be fair.
Holey moley. One promising league campaign and already jamie clarke is every bit as good as gooch or brogan! He'll be the next canavan by christmas! ;)
A good performance by Derry today. They're a big strong side and very capable of winning Ulster i.m.o. Will be interesting to see if Donegal or Tyrone will be able to handle them - I'm sure Jim and Mickey will hope to be scrutinising the video of today's game soon - but not until after next Sunday!
Quote from: under the bar on June 19, 2011, 08:03:57 PM
Holey moley. One promising league campaign and already jamie clarke is every bit as good as gooch or brogan! He'll be the next canavan by christmas! ;)
League campaign?
Anyway. Best team won today, no question about it at all. Good luck to Derry in the final.
Quote from: Imposerous on June 19, 2011, 08:17:22 PM
Quote from: under the bar on June 19, 2011, 08:03:57 PM
Holey moley. One promising league campaign and already jamie clarke is every bit as good as gooch or brogan! He'll be the next canavan by christmas! ;)
League campaign?
Anyway. Best team won today, no question about it at all. Good luck to Derry in the final.
Never let the facts get in the way of a brutal attempt at a wind up.
Quote from: The Stallion on June 16, 2011, 06:37:23 PM
It's astonishing how many people have decided Armagh will win based purely on one decent performance against a massively overrated Down side.
I'll be surprised if Derry don't win by at least 4 or 5 points.
The Derry forwards are far too strong for Armagh, and I confidently predict at least 2 goals for Derry.
I'll be back on Sunday evening to boast about my Nostradamus-like predictions coming true.
The Stallion.
True to my word, i'm back to boast about my prediction. They say self-praise is no praise at all - they're wrong.
Great performances all over the park, and man of the match wasn't even on the pitch - John Brennan got it spot on today.
It came as no surprise to see how today panned out, it was shocking how wrong the bookies and pundits were, and there was serious money to be made. Hopefully some of you heeded my tips.
he played on the left he played on the right that boy skinner made armagh look shite ;)
*shite.
Quote from: The Stallion on June 19, 2011, 08:26:19 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on June 16, 2011, 06:37:23 PM
It's astonishing how many people have decided Armagh will win based purely on one decent performance against a massively overrated Down side.
I'll be surprised if Derry don't win by at least 4 or 5 points.
The Derry forwards are far too strong for Armagh, and I confidently predict at least 2 goals for Derry.
I'll be back on Sunday evening to boast about my Nostradamus-like predictions coming true.
The Stallion.
True to my word, i'm back to boast about my prediction. They say self-praise is no praise at all - they're wrong.
Great performances all over the park, and man of the match wasn't even on the pitch - John Brennan got it spot on today.
It came as no surprise to see how today panned out, it was shocking how wrong the bookies and pundits were, and there was serious money to be made. Hopefully some of you heeded my tips.
OK. Prediction for Tyrone/Donegal please?
Quote from: The Stallion on June 19, 2011, 08:26:19 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on June 16, 2011, 06:37:23 PM
It's astonishing how many people have decided Armagh will win based purely on one decent performance against a massively overrated Down side.
I'll be surprised if Derry don't win by at least 4 or 5 points.
The Derry forwards are far too strong for Armagh, and I confidently predict at least 2 goals for Derry.
I'll be back on Sunday evening to boast about my Nostradamus-like predictions coming true.
The Stallion.
True to my word, i'm back to boast about my prediction. They say self-praise is no praise at all - they're wrong.
Great performances all over the park, and man of the match wasn't even on the pitch - John Brennan got it spot on today.
It came as no surprise to see how today panned out, it was shocking how wrong the bookies and pundits were, and there was serious money to be made. Hopefully some of you heeded my tips.
Well done Nostradamus however Derry have to make sure now they don't fall into the same trap as Monaghan did last year.
Quote from: Gaffer on June 19, 2011, 09:21:48 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on June 19, 2011, 08:26:19 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on June 16, 2011, 06:37:23 PM
It's astonishing how many people have decided Armagh will win based purely on one decent performance against a massively overrated Down side.
I'll be surprised if Derry don't win by at least 4 or 5 points.
The Derry forwards are far too strong for Armagh, and I confidently predict at least 2 goals for Derry.
I'll be back on Sunday evening to boast about my Nostradamus-like predictions coming true.
The Stallion.
True to my word, i'm back to boast about my prediction. They say self-praise is no praise at all - they're wrong.
Great performances all over the park, and man of the match wasn't even on the pitch - John Brennan got it spot on today.
It came as no surprise to see how today panned out, it was shocking how wrong the bookies and pundits were, and there was serious money to be made. Hopefully some of you heeded my tips.
OK. Prediction for Tyrone/Donegal please?
Brolly and Spillane both backed Donegal today.
Good game of football - biggest problem was that Armagh just didn't win anywhere near enough possession. Not much was made of Derry's midfield but Armagh's midfield hardly had a look-in.
I thought tactically Armagh got a few things wrong. Mallon on Bradley from the start would have made a fair diffence. Also taking Ciaran McKeever away from break ball area was a big problem for Armagh. He's their best winner of break ball and was probably one of the reasons they were starved of possession.
Brennan got a lot of things right. I dunno if McCloy was injured but he couldn't have coped with any of Armagh's forwards. Muldoon playing further outfield worked wonders and taking of McAlary really needed to be done. Bradley in that form is unmarkable.
It has the makings of an interesting final. Derry - Tyrone always has a wee edge to it so no offense to Donegal but I'd rather see it happen...
Great day, a serious amount of travelling done but its all worth it to see a great performance by Derry and finally an Ulster Final.
Quote from: oakleaf stateside on June 19, 2011, 09:09:57 PM
he played on the left he played on the right that boy skinner made armagh look shit ;)
On another day he could have got the line for the cowardly stunt on andy Mallon Again Brennan saw this and took him off
Well done to the in-breds.
You've had great players for 5-6 years so its about time you went out and did it in Ulster and the AI.
Quote from: naka on June 19, 2011, 09:42:43 PM
Quote from: oakleaf stateside on June 19, 2011, 09:09:57 PM
he played on the left he played on the right that boy skinner made armagh look shit ;)
On another day he could have got the line for the cowardly stunt on andy Mallon Again Brennan saw this and took him off
What did he do? Thought Mallon was lucky to stay on at the end. To grab a man by the throat is stupid and in front of the ref as well! Thought Coldrick shit himself on that one.
Great to see Derry playing football like that again and hope they can bring the Anglo Celt up this way in a few weeks.
Quote from: naka on June 19, 2011, 09:42:43 PM
Quote from: oakleaf stateside on June 19, 2011, 09:09:57 PM
he played on the left he played on the right that boy skinner made armagh look shit ;)
On another day he could have got the line for the cowardly stunt on andy Mallon Again Brennan saw this and took him off
He kicked the ball of his shins, hardly a cowardly stunt. Mallon looked to be going for the windpipe pincer movement which seemed a bit more of a cowardly stunt to be honest.
Quote from: screenmachine on June 19, 2011, 09:55:25 PM
Quote from: naka on June 19, 2011, 09:42:43 PM
Quote from: oakleaf stateside on June 19, 2011, 09:09:57 PM
he played on the left he played on the right that boy skinner made armagh look shit ;)
On another day he could have got the line for the cowardly stunt on andy Mallon Again Brennan saw this and took him off
He kicked the ball of his shins, hardly a cowardly stunt. Mallon looked to be going for the windpipe pincer movement which seemed a bit more of a cowardly stunt to be honest.
+1
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Quote from: hardstation on June 18, 2011, 12:08:16 AM
Why is 3 rows from the front "one of the worst seats possible"?
You cant be serious hardstation. All you see is legs and have absolutely no perspective on flight of the ball or players positioning. It is terrible place to be. They can stuff it. Ill be going to the hill and you can have ticket if you want. NO CHARGE.
le get yourself down to those seats behind the far goals, crackin view from the high seats there, my fav spot in clones.
i mind being there time we played derry in the qualifiers and we made mccloy look like a feckin genius, hopefully he's exposed left right and centre tomorrow, would make me day
lol!
Good lad abble....I'd nearly go to belfast in the mornin for the craic!
Quote from: oakleaf stateside on June 19, 2011, 09:57:27 PM
Quote from: screenmachine on June 19, 2011, 09:55:25 PM
Quote from: naka on June 19, 2011, 09:42:43 PM
Quote from: oakleaf stateside on June 19, 2011, 09:09:57 PM
he played on the left he played on the right that boy skinner made armagh look shit ;)
On another day he could have got the line for the cowardly stunt on andy Mallon Again Brennan saw this and took him off
He kicked the ball of his shins, hardly a cowardly stunt. Mallon looked to be going for the windpipe pincer movement which seemed a bit more of a cowardly stunt to be honest.
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Agreed. A total over reaction by Mallon. Those sort of scenes should not be witnessed. I would have been happy to see Mallon being sent off for that.
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Quote from: oakleaf stateside on June 19, 2011, 09:09:57 PM
he played on the left he played on the right that boy skinner made armagh look shit ;)
On another day he could have got the line for the cowardly stunt on andy Mallon Again Brennan saw this and took him off
He kicked the ball of his shins, hardly a cowardly stunt. Mallon looked to be going for the windpipe
pincer movement which seemed a bit more of a cowardly stunt to be honest.
Maybe he couldn't make him out so decided to tweak his voice box a little ::)
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Quote from: oakleaf stateside on June 19, 2011, 09:09:57 PM
he played on the left he played on the right that boy skinner made armagh look shit ;)
On another day he could have got the line for the cowardly stunt on andy Mallon Again Brennan saw this and took him off
He kicked the ball of his shins, hardly a cowardly stunt. Mallon looked to be going for the windpipe pincer movement which seemed a bit more of a cowardly stunt to be honest.
+1
Agreed. A total over reaction by Mallon. Those sort of scenes should not be witnessed. I would have been happy to see Mallon being sent off for that.
Neither man deserved lads. But it's typical Bradley.....why get involved after running rings round the Armagh defence? Laugh in Mallon's face if you want.....but if you're that easy wound up in that situation what will it be like when you are getting the verbals in a tight Ulster final from Ricey, Gormley and friends??
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I can't understand why some people believe Derry will be set up defensively on Sunday. John Brennan hasn't put a defensive-minded side out at any stage this year, so it's hard to fathom why he would do so against a team that really only contains two scoring forwards.
People seem to have got it into their heads that Armagh are playing some sort of new attacking style of football. I don't believe this to be the case, I think it was something they stumbled across against Down. Down's forward line was totally ineffective, and the expertise of Armagh's defenders enabled them to get the ball in hand and set up attacks relatively quickly with Down on the back foot.
Padden and Mackin certainly weren't on the field for their scoring ability, and that half-forward line will struggle to score six points again for the whole remainder of the season.
Anyway, the Down Armagh game is irrelevant. If you want a barometer then a closer one is probably last year's preliminary game. Armagh won by three points, while Derry missed a late penalty and had Eoin Bradley harshly sent off. In other words there was very little between the teams. In fact, I thought Armagh were a poor enough outfit as Monaghan confirmed a few weeks later. I don't think they've changed that much to be honest.
The only problem from a Derry perspective is that we're worse! And we're missing Fergal Doherty/Paddy Bradley/Gerard O'Kane. Arguably our three best/most effective players.
I expect Armagh to lean heavily on their defence. It's easily their strongest area, and Brendan Donaghy is an excellent full-back. So, Derry's attacking approach may not necessarily reap dividends and the packed defence is something we've always struggled with. Between Clarke, McDonnell, and maybe Aaron Kernan, Armagh should get enough scores to win the game.
Armagh aren't great, but all-round they're better than this Derry team.
Unfortunately I agree!
BUT....I think Armagh's defence are what they were either. I think if you run at them....which Derry will do, they will struggle.
Armagh arent great, but they are probably still better than us :(
Derry by 1point.
See yous Sunday....
I was kinda right.....the secret to beating Armagh is to run at them but you have to get posession to do that. I didnt think we'd get anywhere near that amount of ball around the middle but we did...and Armagh defence couldnt cope.
A lot of people saying Armagh should have played a sweeper...I honestly dont think it would have made a difference. A few teams tried that against derry in the league, and when the did Brennan still played it man to man marking which means yous still couldnt have double marked bradley/lynch/gilligan. Derry are also capable of score from long range and if Armagh had been playing a sweeper we'd have had more time on the ball outfield to take the long range scores.
Armagh didnt lose today because of not playing a sweeper, they lost because they lost the middle third battle completely. If it had even been 50-50 in the middle i think yous could have won, but as it happens I think derry must have won 80% of the midfield ball. We could have had 2 more goals and skinner also had a point signalled wide which I thought was over....add to that 10 wides it shows how dominant we were.
Armagh are not as good as some people made out. Derry are not as good as some people might think after today either. But today was a great step for Derry, an excellent team performance and a fantastic result. I have a sneaky feeling Donegal will beat Tyrone but that depends on how much Tyrone improve from their last game. They usually improve a lot each game. I have to say I'd love a Derry v Tyrone final but I think both of them are much better than Armagh and we would have to step it up again if we were to win our first Ulster in over a decade.
Really looking forward to it and I now think we could do it. then next year when we have Paddy Bradley, James Conway, Fergal Doherty, Patsy Bradley and Gerard O'Kane all available again we'll win the all-ireland. ;)
Doire abu!
God forbid if he kicked the ball at one of the inbreds...I think a two year ban could be on the cards from the CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC.
Armagh were simply shocking today and were second best all over the pitch. A blatant observation should have seen Mallon on Bradley after ten mins. Armagh were cleaned out at midfield, Derry managed to isolate their full forward line and fed quick quality ball in which the slower Armagh defence couldn't cope with. Derry all dropped men back and strangled the Armagh attack as there simply wasn't any space and no one good enough to pick the perfect pass. Best team tactically and performance wise won on the day. Good luck to Derry.
Armagh should have dropped McKeever back in front of the FB line early doors and brought Padden back around midfield/centre back.
Derry wont count v Tyrone. Bradley may well strike Ricey/AN Other and get the line within 5 mins
Just read the Mike McGurn article on the Indo website.
Brolly will love the fact that the Armagh players spend so much time thinking about him.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 19, 2011, 11:58:20 PM
Just read the Mike McGurn article on the Indo website.
Brolly will love the fact that the Armagh players spend so much time thinking about him.
In fairness to Brolly and Spillane they made a good point . . . start mouthing about pundits and how wrong they are once you've won something!!
fair play to derry they were the better team but i dont think there was 9 points betwen the team. A mallon slip led to bradleys goal and a stupid error when two men went to one derry attacker leaving gilligan with a free run on goal led to the third goal. But like i said, the derry lads took their goals well and I hope they go on and win ulster now.
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Quote from: oakleaf stateside on June 19, 2011, 09:09:57 PM
he played on the left he played on the right that boy skinner made armagh look shit ;)
On another day he could have got the line for the cowardly stunt on andy Mallon Again Brennan saw this and took him off
He kicked the ball of his shins, hardly a cowardly stunt. Mallon looked to be going for the windpipe pincer movement which seemed a bit more of a cowardly stunt to be honest.
+1
Agreed. A total over reaction by Mallon. Those sort of scenes should not be witnessed. I would have been happy to see Mallon being sent off for that.
feck off boys
mallon had won a free kick and bradley decided to lift the ball and whack it against him,the game was over at that stage there was no need to do it by bradley(
Armagh were very naive in not dropping someone back. Dropping Duffy, what was that about?? Totally destroyed in the middle plus the derry balls in to Bradley and gilligan were uncontested and any defender would find it hard to make them two guys when the supply was so good and plentiful. The better team won on the day and I hope they go on and win Ulster.
Andy Mallon needs to be congratulated for not planting his fist in Bradleys gub, every single play Bradley made he was in his ear telling him about it, even at 8 points up, I know I wanted him to dig him.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 20, 2011, 09:21:12 AM
Armagh were very naive in not dropping someone back. Dropping Duffy, what was that about?? Totally destroyed in the middle plus the derry balls in to Bradley and gilligan were uncontested and any defender would find it hard to make them two guys when the supply was so good and plentiful. The better team won on the day and I hope they go on and win Ulster.
Andy Mallon needs to be congratulated for not planting his fist in Bradleys gub, every single play Bradley made he was in his ear telling him about it, even at 8 points up, I know I wanted him to dig him.
Balls!
Yeah RealSpiritof98 no point going down that route, plenty of players at it all day... did you not hear your own keeper hearty at it? It is part and parcel of the game now so no point singling one individual out as if he was the only one at it!
I heard from a reliable source that the reason Michael O Rourke was taken off was that Osin was heard saying "Get O rourke out of there" so paddy took him off. He didnt realise he was talking about Paddy!
Quote from: Take Your Points on June 19, 2011, 05:28:34 PM
Derry much better team.
Management was terrible and only surpassed by Coldrick who missed so much of the fouling but that shouldn't deflect the inept performance on the line.
From 5 minutes it was obvious that Lynch and Bradley were running the show and we had Vinny Martin for how long?
Aaron Kernan had twisted his ankle and had to wait too long before anyone attended him.
Losing it in midfield so the manager throws on more midfielders.
Generally management was unable to recognise the problem and have a plan.
O'Rourke pulled off the filed to be replaced by the totally ineffective B Mallon.
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Dont really agree that a sweeper should have been deployed. During the league we were awful when we played with 1. Also it has been highlighted that when a team deploys a sweeper against derry they just put a man who can play as a forward up with him. Sean Leo McGoldrick would have been ideal at this as he is more than confident in the forward line. Firstly Mallon should have been on Bradley from the start, taking mckeever outve chb left the middle very open and when we were getting beat so comprehensively in midfield it was easy for derry to put quality ball into him. Really dont understand PORs rating of vincie martin as a defender as i have yet to see him play a good game for armagh in the defence. When i seen that he was in from the start i thought duffy mustve been injured. On another issue, when do armagh play in the qualifiers?
First of all, well done Derry displaying a greater hunger, game plan, team work ethic & absolutely clinical finishing from their forwards. No complainats whatsoever about the result, best team won on the day. Arnagh were very disappointing, HF line came back to haunt us, probably the worst defensive performance I have seen in my team supporting Armagh. Donaghy, mallon & Mc Keever all skinned by Bradely. Its a long time since I've seen that, to be fair Bradley was absolutely on fire yesterday. I knew we were in trouble when V Martin was starting, he was absolutely roasted & most of the damage was done in the first half. Serious questions need to be asked why Duffy did not start?????
I though Charlie did ok in the middle & Hearty did well. Stevie played very well on very limited service & Jamie just could not get involved, one ball into him in the second half just is not acceptable. I think tactically Derry won yesterday, they were much better tactically prepared & quicker to make decisions on the line. To be fair to POR his team just did'nt turn up yesterday, i don't honestly know what he could have done to turn the tide yesterday. Aaron Kernan was obviously injured, but there is v little on the bench so POR hands were tied. I thought Brolly & Spillanes comments were totally over the top & unnecessary yesterday, Brolly is a slobber, he is'nt fit to lace stevie mc donnells boots.
As bad as Armagh played for a period afdter the goal in the second half they were right back in it, Stevies goal miss and the goal for Derry on the break killed us, it was all over after that. I thought M O Rourke was very unlucky to be taken off
Greta win for the minors, they look a good bet to go far in the championship this year..... Bets of luck to Derry in the final
Was Mc Gurn not the one doing the slabbering
Well done Derry, by far the better team. There was a country mile between the 2 teams yesterday. Armagh were exceptional against Down but we seen the real orchard yesterday. Hope Derry
go on and win Ulster. hope you dont hit that old Self destruct button.
So much for Derry not having a good midfield. I can never remember them not having a good midfield.
When they won so much ball in the middle third then Armagh were always gonna struggle.
I think in recent weeks there has been a lot of talk about moving away from blanket defence and playing more attack minded football. IMO poor PoR has fallen victim of that and is not strong enough to realise that when you've Bradley on that kind of form ye need a sweeper in front of him the whole game.
To me its naive to say that you would then be taking another Derry player into that area as its Bradley who is the danger man and if you cut him out at a threat then the other forwards are a bit more markable one on one.
Had Mallon been on him from the start with maybe Kernan in front of him then he would not have got his confidence up and become frustrated and we all know what he does when he is frustrated.
Well done Derry though for such a bit performance and all without Paddy Bradley and Fergal Doherty who must be kicking himself now for not coming along for the ride this year. Typical isn't it.
I think Donegal will just shade it against them though in the final if they can break even at MF.
A couple of issues i thought the ref had a poor opening 15 yesterday as he was far too fussy and was awarding Derry free kicks far handier than Armagh but thank god as the game opened up he caught himself on and had a decent enough game.
I heard during the week that Duffy had been hurt in an in house game (ankle problem) and that he would be a doubt for the game. This may be why he didn't start but he was a big miss yesterday as his surging runs would have at least given Armagh another option.
On the mallon/Bradley incident, i had a crystal clear view of it when Mallon went to get the ball Bradley stuck out his foot and kicked it up mallons shins. It wasn't hit with any force or malice and he was probably trying to kick the ball away. Mallon reactions were totally over the top and imo he was lucky to stay on the field. To be fair to Bradley he didn't react to mallon in his face goading him. Bradley and Lynch run the show yesterday some f the score they took were sublime . If the two sides meet again i would say the game will be a lot closer as tactically Armagh got a lot wrong yesterday which i hope they can learn from.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 20, 2011, 09:21:12 AM
Andy Mallon needs to be congratulated for not planting his fist in Bradleys gub, every single play Bradley made he was in his ear telling him about it, even at 8 points up, I know I wanted him to dig him.
balls balls balls, made up sh!te...Bradley should have been congratulated for restraining himself more like. choking the man and you say he should be congratulated for not 'planting his fist in Bradleys gub', catch yourself on ye clown. Its a pity you cant be as gracious as the other 99% of Armagh folk
Really enjoyed the match, open, fast, plenty of great scores from both teams. Armagh, though into the qualifiers have been involved in the 2 best games of the championship so far imo. Id say they'll do very well and build on the Down performance. McKeever, Vernon and McDonnell and Clarke is some backbone. Goals win matches and Devlin was on fire yesterday with a couple of great saves
Cant really add much else to what has been said about the Derry showing. Over the moon really, hoped Brennan could work his magic and it looks like we're going in the right direction. Beyond the usual few names being mentioned, I thought McGuckian rose like a phoenix from the flames with his performance yesterday, reads the game so well and will be absolutely vital in the final. Also, James Kielt's distribution from his left foot was a joy to watch. The the effort and team spirit from all was great. Nice scenes during the warm down, plenty of happy men laughing and joking, happy days
Well Done Derry who put on a great display
But no way are Armagh as bad as they looked. Armagh played below their true level much as, I believe, they played above their true level against us. Just as after the Armagh game it could have been said that Down were not suddenly a bunch of no hopers and Armagh were suddenly not the best team in Ireland, it can be said now that Armagh are suddenly not a bunch of no-hopers and Derry are suddenly not the best team in Ireland.
Armagh fans would have to say that nearly all their players performed below par today. That's just the breaks of the football fan. Down collectively underperformed against Armagh and Armagh did the same today but neither team should be judged on a single performance.
Most importantly it wasn't just one or two problem areas or a single tactical decision that decided the game. So the result can not be blamed on the line. POR may not have helped but he can not be blamed for 10-12 players totally under performing. The players themselves must take the blame I feel.
On a side point, squeezing a windpipe is extremely dangerous, it can cause tracheal collapse. I did Judo for years and I can tell you this is a very dangerous thing to do, you can choke from front or side but not put your fingers round the windpipe and squeeze. As far as I am concerned this is as bad, if not worse than striking. Mallon should be banned for this. It was disgraceful and he had more than one go at it. Not that I am being one-sided, He was provoked and it was defo a yellow card offence for kicking the ball at him (in fact Greg McCartan was sent of in the Ulster final for doing something similar). But why was Mallon's choke any much worse than the famous Galvin "fish-hook"?
I am not being a revenge seeking Down fan here, but I do worry that loads of kids round the country saw this and saw only a yellow card being given out and may now think that it is a not-too-bad thing to do.
if you are fit enough to come on, you are fit enough to start!
The official trying to wrestle with the kid with learning difficulties at the start of the second half. The young fella just wouldnt leave the pitch. It started off as amusing, but then got a bit scarey. What if the kid got hurt? What if he kicked a player?
Maybe the Ulster council need to look at that.
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Quote from: oakleaf stateside on June 19, 2011, 09:09:57 PM
he played on the left he played on the right that boy skinner made armagh look shit ;)
On another day he could have got the line for the cowardly stunt on andy Mallon Again Brennan saw this and took him off
He kicked the ball of his shins, hardly a cowardly stunt. Mallon looked to be going for the windpipe pincer movement which seemed a bit more of a cowardly stunt to be honest.
+1
Agreed. A total over reaction by Mallon. Those sort of scenes should not be witnessed. I would have been happy to see Mallon being sent off for that.
feck off boys
mallon had won a free kick and bradley decided to lift the ball and whack it against him,the game was over at that stage there was no need to do it by bradley(
Did you watch the game or did somebody tell you that?
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+1 - agree completely JOG, feel bradley deserves praise for showing restraint yesterday, and believe he has shown that he's matured as a player. Was typing a post on the derry thread on the same subject at the time you posted this.
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balls balls balls, made up sh!te...Bradley should have been congratulated for restraining himself more like.
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He is far from matured!! Firstly an outstanding footballer and was the difference yesterday. However he is still going to get a red before long as he had a super game and just because Andy got to a few balls before him towards the end of the game he lost the head. Should not have got involved with Andy at that stage as game was over and he was clearly mom. It is still there to be exploited by a good defender and as others have said Tyrone/Donegal will know what buttons to press.
ps also disappointed with him refereeing the game until Donaghy got his yellow, seen very little up to then to warrant a yellow.
Watched the game last night and thought that myself that Bradley was showing great restraint as it must be hard not to swing for someone who has you by the throat. Of course though there was probably a lot of other stuff going on that the cameras didn't catch. I see a great picture on the back page of the Irish News today of Skinner shouting in Mallon's face. I thought the kicking of the ball off his shins was more a time wasting thing than anything but a yellow was in order.
Did anyone else see Bradley at any other funny business all day (Bar scoring)
I think the throat holding thing has crept into our game quite a bit now and it needs to be punished better. Its like you will get a red for punching now so throat holding is the next best thing. Kids will copy this and someone will get seriously hurt some time.
Lads I have to say the best thing about that game was afterwards in the Derry huddle. I couldn't believe my eyes...inter-county players laughing and joking! Ya see in most cases even after a great win big serious heads but Enda Muldoon was grinning away and John Brennan clearly throwing in a few jokes. Whatever he said last he just threw up the arms and they all walked off laughing and joking.
It might sound stupid but it was great to see and shows that Derry are very much enjoying life under Brennan.
Eugene Mcgee pulling no punches
This was a game full of excitement, drama, wonderful goals and many great points. It was very sporting and generally a great advertisement of open, positive football. The pity was that only about 15,000 fans turned up -- the Derry turnout in particular was pathetic
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Eugene Mcgee pulling no punches
This was a game full of excitement, drama, wonderful goals and many great points. It was very sporting and generally a great advertisement of open, positive football. The pity was that only about 15,000 fans turned up -- the Derry turnout in particular was pathetic
It was awful, already talked to a boy at work who just said he'l go to the final. On Friday, he laughed at the thought of going to Clones, grinds my gears.
Very happy to see the Derry team enjoying it
Giving Big Enda a standing ovation beside honest Derry Gaels who made the journey was great.
On another note great craic with the Armagh people before and after the game, always great supporters.
appreciate that bradley will get the plaudits but from an armagh point of view i thought mark lynch was immense and did as much damage as was conleith gilligan
Also if Derry do by the grace of God lift Ulster there gonna have bother keeping me off that field. ;)
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 20, 2011, 12:30:24 PM
Lads I have to say the best thing about that game was afterwards in the Derry huddle. I couldn't believe my eyes...inter-county players laughing and joking! Ya see in most cases even after a great win big serious heads but Enda Muldoon was grinning away and John Brennan clearly throwing in a few jokes. Whatever he said last he just threw up the arms and they all walked off laughing and joking.
It might sound stupid but it was great to see and shows that Derry are very much enjoying life under Brennan.
Saw that all right. Unusual and nice to see.
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I have to say I didnt see that performance coming from Derry at all. Its hard to know from what stool to view it either, was it a case of Armagh playing poorly or only playing as well as they where let play. Whichever way it was its great to be back in an Ulster final and great to beat Armagh again.
Bradley was fantastic with some of the scores from distance a joy to watch. It will be interesting to see if he can do again when the space is likely to be a lot tighter and the opposition manager will be a bit "cuter". On other days some of those shots would have been hitting the corner flag.
I cant see how there can be any complaints about the ref. He set the tone early enough with the booking for McAlary and was consistent with what was a foul throughout the match. In general it was a sporting enough contest with the exception of Diver leaving his feet in the air, I dont think he deliberatly tried to kick anyone but it was stupid and could have been a red card, and Mallon trying to goad Bradley into something silly near the end.
The Derry support as usual was pathetic, no doubt it will grow considerably for the Ulster final and if by some chance Derry make it to the later rounds of the All Ireland there will be plenty of Derry "fans".
Its a pity Brennan didnt get the Derry job 5/6 years ago. At the very least we would have won an Ulster title. I dont think he is any great tactical genuis but he has Derry playing as a team for the first time in a long time.
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Just read the Mike McGurn article on the Indo website.
Brolly will love the fact that the Armagh players spend so much time thinking about him.
In fairness to Brolly and Spillane they made a good point . . . start mouthing about pundits and how wrong they are once you've won something!!
Wasn't it Brolly (not Spillane) who went over the top about a few lines in a newspaper article ridiculing him.
Brolly can't handle a bit of criticism, he protests too much.
Whenever Derry play, his immature qualities are exaggerated and he starts mouthing off his bitter grudges. He has no mature restraint. If he has to be an RTE pundit, could they at least show the viewing public some mercy and keep him away whenever Derry are playing.
It was an enjoyable game to watch until Armagh seemed to throw in the towel. Some lovely long range points.
This did Mallon/Bradley thing not start when Bradley kicked the ball at Mallon? Watched the hurling game after and my Dad commented to me that it would be fun to see a football match refereed to the same rules as a Hurling match.
Quote from: Denn Forever on June 20, 2011, 02:48:33 PM
This did Mallon/Bradley thing not start when Bradley kicked the ball at Mallon? Watched the hurling game after and my Dad commented to me that it would be fun to see a football match refereed to the same rules as a Hurling match.
do you mean you'd like to see football refs allow a bit of rough stuff?
Some do. I'd like ot see it , i'd like to see consistent refereeing also.
However the picky nit picky ones are adhering to the letter of the law, and the best refs who allow play to flow and not blow every 30 seconds are actually contravening GAA football refereeing guidelines.
IMO Eoin Bradley was completely wrong to kick that ball off Mallon.Yes, he may have been unhappy that mallons subtle pulls and digs were going unoticed and unpunished. However thats what the craftier experienced defenders do. Also no ref was going ot blow him each time as Derry were so far ahead.
Eoin is briliant, but needs to cut that craic out completely.
Some refs would have sent both of them off. Mallons retaliation with a wee close in jab and grabbing the wind pipe is way more than what Brian Farrell, Michael Murphy and Dick clerkin got sent of for last weekend.
Skinner Bradley could have got the line also and imo both of them were lucky they didnt. Stupidity. Derry cannot afford that.
Listen I saw what I saw, Derry were fully deserving of their victory, but for my post to be deleted without any explanation for stating what I felt at the time is wrong. This board is getting hyper sensitive
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Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 20, 2011, 04:32:39 PM
Listen I saw what I saw, Derry were fully deserving of their victory, but for my post to be deleted without any explanation for stating what I felt at the time is wrong. This board is getting hyper sensitive
surely the mods are well within their rights to delete a post that is 100% donkey manure? deal in facts man
My observations of the game would be as follows:
Armagh were awful, particularly tactically, I can think of very few occasions were failing tactics were changed by POR who instead choose to change players for almost identical players. Before the game I could have told which subs were going to be used and who they were going to replace and sure enough I got 4 out of 5 of them right. When a defensive system isnt working (i.e. man for man on Lynch and Bradley) there is no point sticking with the system and continually change players without ever thinking of changing tactic.
Derry were good but not great, with the exception of Braddley and Lynch (who were excellent and allowed to be excellent) I thought Derry were ordinary to good and I would expect a big improvement in the final (which I feel will likely be needed)
Bradley is a fantastic footballer but should have been slapped by his manager for the stupid altercation with Mallon which was needlessly instigated by Bradley. In addition Bradley is one of the cutest footballers at winning himself frees and getting opponents booked that I have ever seen. Thats not a criticisim as winning a foul is a much a skill in the modern game as beating your man.
Brennan is a fantastic manager both tactically and interms of man management, I bumped into the Derry team when I was getting a feed after the game and they seemed very relaxed and were even having a drink or two as if the game had just been another day at the office.
POR is wasting one of the finest squads Armagh has ever had imo but we will have him for at least one more year. I may only be 26 but this was the first summer I ever booked a holiday without first ensuring it didnt clash with an Armagh game. The reason for this is I am so disillusioned with the Armagh management.
The refereeing was very poor and highly inconsistent but made no difference to the result, the booking for Donaghy was for me harsh but what irked me more was when Clarke got fouled at the other end the cards werent as quick at coming. Also why was Diver was booked? From where I was it looked like he kicked Toner in the face? If he did surely thats either deliberate (and a sending off) or accidental and not even a foul? This fudge always annoys me. Likewise with Mallon for the retaliation on Bradley
From the minor game Armagh were highly impressive and tbh the scoreline flattered Fermanagh a little as Armagh hit the crossbar three times and the Fermanagh keeper pulled of some wonderful saves. Third straight Ulster Final for this management team (and I think for McGeown at full forward) and for me they really deserve a chance with the U21's or seniors next year. Also I would really like to see McGeown in the senior team as he seems well able to take a score and is quite creative, he may well be worth a look in the half forward line.
For those who ever backed O'Rourke yesterday certainly showed yous up. Brennan totally showed him up on the line with his decisions.
How did Vincie Martin start. Hes slow useless and should be nowhere near the team and then getting him to mark Lynch. Is O'Rourke on a different planet? Lynch is a flying machine was always going to destroy him. Then he leaves him on him to he gets injured. Brennan switched Brian Og after 10 mins. Next thing yes he was right to try and play the same way against down but after 10 15 mins a blind man could see we were having serious problems in the full back line especially with eoin bradley. He had to be double marked i.e a sweeper which we played to beat them last year. A gud manager has to be able to switch the gameplan if its not working. I have seen Mickey Harte do it so many times if his full back line getting destroyed he changes it and will bring joe mcmahon or someone back in front of them. These games are won by small thing on the field and by decisions made on the line. Our problem is we have the weakest line probably in the country. Such a joke. Joe Brolly summed it up exactly "Paddy O'Rourke is just a bad manager."
Why did our county board employ this tube and why do they continue to employ him!
Everything and I mean every resource and every gaa person in the county should be working from now on getting McGeeney into the Armagh job for next year!!!!!!
Quote from: LeoMc on June 19, 2011, 03:42:02 PM
Thought the McDonnell saved shot followed by thr Gilligan goal was a big turning point. Armagh in it up til that point.
Stevie had anothr goal chance in the first half. Clarke would have bagged both.
Is the pressure of Captaincy weighing on McDonnell?
Spot on Stevie's decision making was poor today. Armagh missed a lot. Big difference was that Derry cut the supply to Clarke whilst Skinner had the freedom of Clones. Why o why was the spare man not set in front of Bradley?
People should listen to Joe Brolly's remarks from yesterday he was on the money. There are a good bunch of players in Armagh at the moment, they are just all not on the panel. We are persisting with the notion that some of those who are on the panel are county standard. POR needs to look at his decision making and he needs to make some changes in personnel. I've resisted naming names to avoid them all doing a John Clarke. Congratulations to Derry best team won.
QuotePOR is wasting one of the finest squads Armagh has ever had
Compared to the 2001-2005/6 vintage that is a wildly inaccurate statement.
Armagh have a
decent squad with about 4 really exceptional players, nothing more, nothing less.
Congrats to Derry. Outfought. outthought and outplayed us on the day. Hopefully Donegal can beat Tyrone this weekend to set an exciting final.
Bradley was unmarkable yesterday but he should never have been left one on one with acres of space. After 10 ns it was obvious this was Derrys tactic to rain high balls in on him. Someone should have ben dropped back.Joe Brolly is correct in saying that poor decision were made on the line, I just don't like the snide way he said it.
Things clicked for Derry on the day, goal chances missed by us and scored by Derry. Have never seen Mark Lynch play as well. Stevie McDonnell is still a class act but his goal threat seems to be on the wane. Not so much the 2 chances that he missed but the one he passed when he had a bit of space suggest a lack of confidence in front of goal.
Player for player I don't think Derry are any better than us, they were just hungrier and better organised on the day.
On a separate note real lack of atmosphere about Clones yesterday. Crowd seemd to go straight to match and home (aside from a few of the Buckfast brigade who were drunk prematch). Was talking to the barman of Cuildaire who commentated on lack of punters. Noticeable also that National anthem got to last bar without interruption.
Quote from: tyroneman on June 20, 2011, 09:25:24 PM
QuotePOR is wasting one of the finest squads Armagh has ever had
Compared to the 2001-2005/6 vintage that is a wildly inaccurate statement.
Armagh have a decent squad with about 4 really exceptional players, nothing more, nothing less.
You say its inaccurate but can only name one other better squad that we have had. I dont for a second think we have the best squad in the country but we do have a squad that should be capable of being competitive against every other team, not one that gets hammered twice in a year by other Ulster teams. Every player who started against Down I think with the possible exception of Kieran Toner has played in an AI final at some level or other. In any squad we had between 1980 and 2002 we didnt have that level of talent and experience. Are this squad as good as 2001-2006 possibly not but had you have looked at the Armagh squad in 2000 you probably wouldnt have thought of them as much better than the current squad. 4 of the starting line up have all stars including one former young player of the year and one player of the year, more have all ireland winners medals, that for me is one of the finest squads we have ever had. Unfortunately in my opinion we are much weaker than the sum of our parts and a large reason for this is POR
I would say we have 5 exceptional players not many squads in the country have much better except maybe Kerry and Cork
who would the five exceptional players be in your opinion?
Quote from: winsamsoon on June 21, 2011, 12:06:58 AM
who would the five exceptional players be in your opinion?
A Mallon, A Kernan (although I am probably on my own in this regard and only for his attacking prowess), C McKeever, Jamie Clarke and S McDonnell. Certainly not the best players in the country in their positions but worthy of being thought of as well above average even at county level. imo
In hindsight exceptional may be too strong a word but I was using it because another poster had. I would consider those 5 as being above average even by county standards. If I was picking a 30 man squad from all ireland I would have at least 4 of those players in the squad.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 20, 2011, 04:58:22 PM
My observations of the game would be as follows:
Armagh were awful, particularly tactically, I can think of very few occasions were failing tactics were changed by POR who instead choose to change players for almost identical players. Before the game I could have told which subs were going to be used and who they were going to replace and sure enough I got 4 out of 5 of them right. When a defensive system isnt working (i.e. man for man on Lynch and Bradley) there is no point sticking with the system and continually change players without ever thinking of changing tactic.
Derry were good but not great, with the exception of Braddley and Lynch (who were excellent and allowed to be excellent) I thought Derry were ordinary to good and I would expect a big improvement in the final (which I feel will likely be needed)
Bradley is a fantastic footballer but should have been slapped by his manager for the stupid altercation with Mallon which was needlessly instigated by Bradley. In addition Bradley is one of the cutest footballers at winning himself frees and getting opponents booked that I have ever seen. Thats not a criticisim as winning a foul is a much a skill in the modern game as beating your man.
Brennan is a fantastic manager both tactically and interms of man management, I bumped into the Derry team when I was getting a feed after the game and they seemed very relaxed and were even having a drink or two as if the game had just been another day at the office.
POR is wasting one of the finest squads Armagh has ever had imo but we will have him for at least one more year. I may only be 26 but this was the first summer I ever booked a holiday without first ensuring it didnt clash with an Armagh game. The reason for this is I am so disillusioned with the Armagh management.
The refereeing was very poor and highly inconsistent but made no difference to the result, the booking for Donaghy was for me harsh but what irked me more was when Clarke got fouled at the other end the cards werent as quick at coming. Also why was Diver was booked? From where I was it looked like he kicked Toner in the face? If he did surely thats either deliberate (and a sending off) or accidental and not even a foul? This fudge always annoys me. Likewise with Mallon for the retaliation on Bradley
From the minor game Armagh were highly impressive and tbh the scoreline flattered Fermanagh a little as Armagh hit the crossbar three times and the Fermanagh keeper pulled of some wonderful saves. Third straight Ulster Final for this management team (and I think for McGeown at full forward) and for me they really deserve a chance with the U21's or seniors next year. Also I would really like to see McGeown in the senior team as he seems well able to take a score and is quite creative, he may well be worth a look in the half forward line.
Must say I think you have summarised things very well from an Armagh point of view. As for McGeown I think he really does show potential but can drift in and out of the game a bit - probably common for a young fella though. It is a great achievement for the minor management to reach 3 Ulster finals in a row and when you look at Armagh's poor minor record over the last forty years it really does show how much difference a good management team can make.
Quote from: Throw ball on June 21, 2011, 12:35:04 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 20, 2011, 04:58:22 PM
My observations of the game would be as follows:
Armagh were awful, particularly tactically, I can think of very few occasions were failing tactics were changed by POR who instead choose to change players for almost identical players. Before the game I could have told which subs were going to be used and who they were going to replace and sure enough I got 4 out of 5 of them right. When a defensive system isnt working (i.e. man for man on Lynch and Bradley) there is no point sticking with the system and continually change players without ever thinking of changing tactic.
Derry were good but not great, with the exception of Braddley and Lynch (who were excellent and allowed to be excellent) I thought Derry were ordinary to good and I would expect a big improvement in the final (which I feel will likely be needed)
Bradley is a fantastic footballer but should have been slapped by his manager for the stupid altercation with Mallon which was needlessly instigated by Bradley. In addition Bradley is one of the cutest footballers at winning himself frees and getting opponents booked that I have ever seen. Thats not a criticisim as winning a foul is a much a skill in the modern game as beating your man.
Brennan is a fantastic manager both tactically and interms of man management, I bumped into the Derry team when I was getting a feed after the game and they seemed very relaxed and were even having a drink or two as if the game had just been another day at the office.
POR is wasting one of the finest squads Armagh has ever had imo but we will have him for at least one more year. I may only be 26 but this was the first summer I ever booked a holiday without first ensuring it didnt clash with an Armagh game. The reason for this is I am so disillusioned with the Armagh management.
The refereeing was very poor and highly inconsistent but made no difference to the result, the booking for Donaghy was for me harsh but what irked me more was when Clarke got fouled at the other end the cards werent as quick at coming. Also why was Diver was booked? From where I was it looked like he kicked Toner in the face? If he did surely thats either deliberate (and a sending off) or accidental and not even a foul? This fudge always annoys me. Likewise with Mallon for the retaliation on Bradley
From the minor game Armagh were highly impressive and tbh the scoreline flattered Fermanagh a little as Armagh hit the crossbar three times and the Fermanagh keeper pulled of some wonderful saves. Third straight Ulster Final for this management team (and I think for McGeown at full forward) and for me they really deserve a chance with the U21's or seniors next year. Also I would really like to see McGeown in the senior team as he seems well able to take a score and is quite creative, he may well be worth a look in the half forward line.
Must say I think you have summarised things very well from an Armagh point of view. As for McGeown I think he really does show potential but can drift in and out of the game a bit - probably common for a young fella though. It is a great achievement for the minor management to reach 3 Ulster finals in a row and when you look at Armagh's poor minor record over the last forty years it really does show how much difference a good management team can make.
Yet no one is suggesting them as the next Senior Management Team why?
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 21, 2011, 09:41:06 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 21, 2011, 12:35:04 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 20, 2011, 04:58:22 PM
My observations of the game would be as follows:
Armagh were awful, particularly tactically, I can think of very few occasions were failing tactics were changed by POR who instead choose to change players for almost identical players. Before the game I could have told which subs were going to be used and who they were going to replace and sure enough I got 4 out of 5 of them right. When a defensive system isnt working (i.e. man for man on Lynch and Bradley) there is no point sticking with the system and continually change players without ever thinking of changing tactic.
Derry were good but not great, with the exception of Braddley and Lynch (who were excellent and allowed to be excellent) I thought Derry were ordinary to good and I would expect a big improvement in the final (which I feel will likely be needed)
Bradley is a fantastic footballer but should have been slapped by his manager for the stupid altercation with Mallon which was needlessly instigated by Bradley. In addition Bradley is one of the cutest footballers at winning himself frees and getting opponents booked that I have ever seen. Thats not a criticisim as winning a foul is a much a skill in the modern game as beating your man.
Brennan is a fantastic manager both tactically and interms of man management, I bumped into the Derry team when I was getting a feed after the game and they seemed very relaxed and were even having a drink or two as if the game had just been another day at the office.
POR is wasting one of the finest squads Armagh has ever had imo but we will have him for at least one more year. I may only be 26 but this was the first summer I ever booked a holiday without first ensuring it didnt clash with an Armagh game. The reason for this is I am so disillusioned with the Armagh management.
The refereeing was very poor and highly inconsistent but made no difference to the result, the booking for Donaghy was for me harsh but what irked me more was when Clarke got fouled at the other end the cards werent as quick at coming. Also why was Diver was booked? From where I was it looked like he kicked Toner in the face? If he did surely thats either deliberate (and a sending off) or accidental and not even a foul? This fudge always annoys me. Likewise with Mallon for the retaliation on Bradley
From the minor game Armagh were highly impressive and tbh the scoreline flattered Fermanagh a little as Armagh hit the crossbar three times and the Fermanagh keeper pulled of some wonderful saves. Third straight Ulster Final for this management team (and I think for McGeown at full forward) and for me they really deserve a chance with the U21's or seniors next year. Also I would really like to see McGeown in the senior team as he seems well able to take a score and is quite creative, he may well be worth a look in the half forward line.
Must say I think you have summarised things very well from an Armagh point of view. As for McGeown I think he really does show potential but can drift in and out of the game a bit - probably common for a young fella though. It is a great achievement for the minor management to reach 3 Ulster finals in a row and when you look at Armagh's poor minor record over the last forty years it really does show how much difference a good management team can make.
Yet no one is suggesting them as the next Senior Management Team why?
I am not sure if Armagh were brilliant when they beat down, or wherther they were poor against Derry...certainly not a bad team, and certainly not a bad manager. I would give credit to Derry and Brennan for being, on the day, simply unbeatable, unmarkable, and worthu of the result...it didnt flatter them. I think that they would have beaten pretty much every other team in Ulster with that perfdormance, possible every other team on the island...that was lethal to watch.
Some of the armagh players had very bad performances, but how much of that was doen to Derry's desire adn focus, is open to question.
I just think its too easy to be harsh on the manager - Armagh will have a long summer, im sure...regardless of who they face in the qualiofiers...they will learn more from this game and they will improve. Against Down they played some of the ebst football for 5 years...didnt become a bad team, its just that derry were extraordinary...as a tyrone man, IF WE beat Donegal, and thats a big if, i would hope that Derry dont repeat their performance...ultimately, success will be judged more on consistency rather than occasional peaks...it might be that both derry adn armagh have had a peak, lets see if Derry can continue and if armagh can regroup...i think they can
Quote from: David McKeown on June 21, 2011, 12:11:40 AM
Quote from: winsamsoon on June 21, 2011, 12:06:58 AM
who would the five exceptional players be in your opinion?
A Mallon, A Kernan (although I am probably on my own in this regard and only for his attacking prowess), C McKeever, Jamie Clarke and S McDonnell. Certainly not the best players in the country in their positions but worthy of being thought of as well above average even at county level. imo
In hindsight exceptional may be too strong a word but I was using it because another poster had. I would consider those 5 as being above average even by county standards. If I was picking a 30 man squad from all ireland I would have at least 4 of those players in the squad.
well i wouldn't have used exceptional either . I would have jamie clarke in any team in Ireland because on his day he is unmarkable if the correct ball goes in to him. I think Aaron Kernan doesn't be involved enough in the game for me and only really shows up for armagh when all things are going well but he is a decent enough player on his day. Ciaran Mc keever is all heart and certainly brings everything he has to a football pitch. The only negative is the fact that he sails to close to the wind for my liking at time and gets involved in silly things. A Mallon is a great man marker (the best Armagh have prob) he has pace and tenacity and he isn't bad on the ball either so he would be on my 30 man squad. I think Steven Mc Donnell is now past his best. He has lost a yard of pace and i certainly can't remember ever seeing him miss two one on ones with the keeper. In his defence he has prob been given a different role under POR which hasn't allowed him to focus as much on scores. But on his day he would have been in my 30 man squad aswell.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 20, 2011, 09:21:12 AM
Andy Mallon needs to be congratulated for not planting his fist in Bradleys gub, every single play Bradley made he was in his ear telling him about it, even at 8 points up, I know I wanted him to dig him.
A bet Fergal Doherty wanted Andy to as well
from what i seen, derry had 3 shots for goals scored 3, armagh had 4 and scored 1, steven mc donnell's killer instinct infront of goal has gone, and has been gone for quite a few years, he no longer taps the ball over with either foot with the ease he used to, armagh have a good 15-17 players outside that theres not much, is billy joe any better a player than brain mallon or even stephen kernan, we need a playmaker at 11 not a donkey man.
Quote from: Throw ball on June 21, 2011, 12:35:04 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 20, 2011, 04:58:22 PM
My observations of the game would be as follows:
Armagh were awful, particularly tactically, I can think of very few occasions were failing tactics were changed by POR who instead choose to change players for almost identical players. Before the game I could have told which subs were going to be used and who they were going to replace and sure enough I got 4 out of 5 of them right. When a defensive system isnt working (i.e. man for man on Lynch and Bradley) there is no point sticking with the system and continually change players without ever thinking of changing tactic.
Derry were good but not great, with the exception of Braddley and Lynch (who were excellent and allowed to be excellent) I thought Derry were ordinary to good and I would expect a big improvement in the final (which I feel will likely be needed)
Bradley is a fantastic footballer but should have been slapped by his manager for the stupid altercation with Mallon which was needlessly instigated by Bradley. In addition Bradley is one of the cutest footballers at winning himself frees and getting opponents booked that I have ever seen. Thats not a criticisim as winning a foul is a much a skill in the modern game as beating your man.
Brennan is a fantastic manager both tactically and interms of man management, I bumped into the Derry team when I was getting a feed after the game and they seemed very relaxed and were even having a drink or two as if the game had just been another day at the office.
POR is wasting one of the finest squads Armagh has ever had imo but we will have him for at least one more year. I may only be 26 but this was the first summer I ever booked a holiday without first ensuring it didnt clash with an Armagh game. The reason for this is I am so disillusioned with the Armagh management.
The refereeing was very poor and highly inconsistent but made no difference to the result, the booking for Donaghy was for me harsh but what irked me more was when Clarke got fouled at the other end the cards werent as quick at coming. Also why was Diver was booked? From where I was it looked like he kicked Toner in the face? If he did surely thats either deliberate (and a sending off) or accidental and not even a foul? This fudge always annoys me. Likewise with Mallon for the retaliation on Bradley
From the minor game Armagh were highly impressive and tbh the scoreline flattered Fermanagh a little as Armagh hit the crossbar three times and the Fermanagh keeper pulled of some wonderful saves. Third straight Ulster Final for this management team (and I think for McGeown at full forward) and for me they really deserve a chance with the U21's or seniors next year. Also I would really like to see McGeown in the senior team as he seems well able to take a score and is quite creative, he may well be worth a look in the half forward line.
Must say I think you have summarised things very well from an Armagh point of view. As for McGeown I think he really does show potential but can drift in and out of the game a bit - probably common for a young fella though. It is a great achievement for the minor management to reach 3 Ulster finals in a row and when you look at Armagh's poor minor record over the last forty years it really does show how much difference a good management team can make.
They are a good management team yes but it's not down to them alone. The bigger picture is the overall work done at underage level in Armagh. There has been great work done over the past 8 or 9 years by various unsung heros in restructuring underage football in Armagh and the county has been reaping the benefits the past few years - it's no accident or fluke of having good management in place.
Quote from: Armaghgael on June 21, 2011, 07:19:44 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 20, 2011, 09:21:12 AM
Andy Mallon needs to be congratulated for not planting his fist in Bradleys gub, every single play Bradley made he was in his ear telling him about it, even at 8 points up, I know I wanted him to dig him.
A bet Fergal Doherty wanted Andy to as well
Elaborate Please.
Andy Mallon was only on him for less than a quarter of the match - think your talking shite - the man roasted 3 defenders - Derry won, derserved to win - why the f**k is this thread not redundant!!!!
Causw Armagh supporters like to have a moan when they get beat even more so when they win. I have been laughing my ass off at them for last few days esp the one who suggested brolly could not lace stevie mcdonnells boots he had to be on wind up fine player mcdonnell is/was he is no all time great and would say in balance he was on par or slightly better than brolly. But they are different type of players and hard to judge one against the other they also played in slightly different eras
Would Derry wans prefer to get beat by Tyrone in the final or Armagh in the semi? :-\
Quote from: Armamike on June 21, 2011, 09:51:01 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 21, 2011, 12:35:04 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 20, 2011, 04:58:22 PM
My observations of the game would be as follows:
Armagh were awful, particularly tactically, I can think of very few occasions were failing tactics were changed by POR who instead choose to change players for almost identical players. Before the game I could have told which subs were going to be used and who they were going to replace and sure enough I got 4 out of 5 of them right. When a defensive system isnt working (i.e. man for man on Lynch and Bradley) there is no point sticking with the system and continually change players without ever thinking of changing tactic.
Derry were good but not great, with the exception of Braddley and Lynch (who were excellent and allowed to be excellent) I thought Derry were ordinary to good and I would expect a big improvement in the final (which I feel will likely be needed)
Bradley is a fantastic footballer but should have been slapped by his manager for the stupid altercation with Mallon which was needlessly instigated by Bradley. In addition Bradley is one of the cutest footballers at winning himself frees and getting opponents booked that I have ever seen. Thats not a criticisim as winning a foul is a much a skill in the modern game as beating your man.
Brennan is a fantastic manager both tactically and interms of man management, I bumped into the Derry team when I was getting a feed after the game and they seemed very relaxed and were even having a drink or two as if the game had just been another day at the office.
POR is wasting one of the finest squads Armagh has ever had imo but we will have him for at least one more year. I may only be 26 but this was the first summer I ever booked a holiday without first ensuring it didnt clash with an Armagh game. The reason for this is I am so disillusioned with the Armagh management.
The refereeing was very poor and highly inconsistent but made no difference to the result, the booking for Donaghy was for me harsh but what irked me more was when Clarke got fouled at the other end the cards werent as quick at coming. Also why was Diver was booked? From where I was it looked like he kicked Toner in the face? If he did surely thats either deliberate (and a sending off) or accidental and not even a foul? This fudge always annoys me. Likewise with Mallon for the retaliation on Bradley
From the minor game Armagh were highly impressive and tbh the scoreline flattered Fermanagh a little as Armagh hit the crossbar three times and the Fermanagh keeper pulled of some wonderful saves. Third straight Ulster Final for this management team (and I think for McGeown at full forward) and for me they really deserve a chance with the U21's or seniors next year. Also I would really like to see McGeown in the senior team as he seems well able to take a score and is quite creative, he may well be worth a look in the half forward line.
Must say I think you have summarised things very well from an Armagh point of view. As for McGeown I think he really does show potential but can drift in and out of the game a bit - probably common for a young fella though. It is a great achievement for the minor management to reach 3 Ulster finals in a row and when you look at Armagh's poor minor record over the last forty years it really does show how much difference a good management team can make.
They are a good management team yes but it's not down to them alone. The bigger picture is the overall work done at underage level in Armagh. There has been great work done over the past 8 or 9 years by various unsung heros in restructuring underage football in Armagh and the county has been reaping the benefits the past few years - it's no accident or fluke of having good management in place.
Oh absolutely, the work done on development squads has brought great dividends to Armagh minor football in recent years which hopefully will filter through to the senior team shortly. Were McShane and Robinson not also heavily involved with those development squads for a number of years before they took over the minors though too?
Quote from: 3000 miles away on June 21, 2011, 09:19:28 PM
from what i seen, derry had 3 shots for goals scored 3, armagh had 4 and scored 1, steven mc donnell's killer instinct infront of goal has gone, and has been gone for quite a few years, he no longer taps the ball over with either foot with the ease he used to, armagh have a good 15-17 players outside that theres not much, is billy joe any better a player than brain mallon or even stephen kernan, we need a playmaker at 11 not a donkey man.
ahem....we also missed 2 futher goal chances....gilligans on the rebound which hearty saved, then Diver was clean through could have shot for goal as he'd only the keeper to beat but tried to fist it over the bar and fisted it wide! So Derry had 5 goal shots and scored 3! Derry also had 10 wides to Armagh's 5(I think).
If you were trying to infer that the game was closer than it was, I think you are mistaken.
If you were trying to infer Stevie isnt the player he was, you're probably right...but its hard for any player to be at the top of his game for any more than a few years.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on June 22, 2011, 07:56:00 AM
Would Derry wans prefer to get beat by Tyrone in the final or Armagh in the semi? :-\
We're just glad to have a chance in the final at this stage....which would you prefer? Getting tanked by a Derry team that hasn't wont anything in over a decade in the semi-final, or gettin tanked by Tyrone in the final? You should be able to answer this given previous finals with Tyrone ;)
All this is irrelevant anyway....it'll be a Derry v Donegal final. :)
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 22, 2011, 09:06:24 AM
Quote from: 3000 miles away on June 21, 2011, 09:19:28 PM
from what i seen, derry had 3 shots for goals scored 3, armagh had 4 and scored 1, steven mc donnell's killer instinct infront of goal has gone, and has been gone for quite a few years, he no longer taps the ball over with either foot with the ease he used to, armagh have a good 15-17 players outside that theres not much, is billy joe any better a player than brain mallon or even stephen kernan, we need a playmaker at 11 not a donkey man.
ahem....we also missed 2 futher goal chances....gilligans on the rebound which hearty saved, then Diver was clean through could have shot for goal as he'd only the keeper to beat but tried to fist it over the bar and fisted it wide! So Derry had 5 goal shots and scored 3! Derry also had 10 wides to Armagh's 5(I think).
If you were trying to infer that the game was closer than it was, I think you are mistaken.
If you were trying to infer Stevie isnt the player he was, you're probably right...but its hard for any player to be at the top of his game for any more than a few years.
This was the best goal chance of the game, good save, Gilligans reaction said it all, he couldnt believe it wasnt in the back of the net.
I have watched the replay a few times now and I have to say I disagree with alot of ones about Stevies second goal chance. I honestly dont think its that clear cut a chance. I would be dissapointed if the keeper didnt save a shot from there. Maybe he should have carried it in a few more steps. But i think it has to be a rocket to beat the keeper form that distance and that angle. Just my opinion.
The gloating shite coming from some Derry fans here is very reminicient of similar drivel from some Armagh fans after Down. The better team won on Sunday but there is no doubt they had a helping hand from the ineptitude of the Armagh line. Also McDonnells second goal chance which should have been pointed was a major turning point, the Derry goal that came from it killed the game. John Brennan got it spot on on the day and his contribution should not be played down. That said however I wouldn't fear meeting Derry again there is not 9 ponits between the teams.
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 22, 2011, 09:06:24 AM
Diver was clean through could have shot for goal as he'd only the keeper to beat but tried to fist it over the bar and fisted it wide!
You're being harsh on Diver there, watch the match again, he had about three Armagh defenders bearing down on him with at least two of them on the goal side.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 22, 2011, 09:23:07 AM
The gloating shite coming from some Derry fans here is very reminicient of similar drivel from some Armagh fans after Down. The better team won on Sunday but there is no doubt they had a helping hand from the ineptitude of the Armagh line. Also McDonnells second goal chance which should have been pointed was a major turning point, the Derry goal that came from it killed the game. John Brennan got it spot on on the day and his contribution should not be played down. That said however I wouldn't fear meeting Derry again there is not 9 ponits between the teams.
I agree with that. Dont really see much gloating though, just alot of fans glad of back to back wins for a change
Regarding McDonnells second goal chance......i think if you look again Mark Lynch finished from a very similar position.
I can't understand the criticism of McDonnell by Armagh folk....yes he's past his best but without him on Sunday it would have been cricket scores....jesus i wish we had him for the final!
Maybe being a bit pedantic but McDonnells chance was further out and devlin came of the line very quickly that maybe made him rush the decision. Just dont think it was a bad miss, think apples is probably right in saying the point would have been the better option, in hindsight obviously.
Quote from: Oak Leafer on June 22, 2011, 10:00:48 AM
Regarding McDonnells second goal chance......i think if you look again Mark Lynch finished from a very similar position.
I can't understand the criticism of McDonnell by Armagh folk....yes he's past his best but without him on Sunday it would have been cricket scores....jesus i wish we had him for the final!
I'm not criticising Stevie Mac, how could you, just saying that the wrong option was taken. That said had he netted....
Sorry Apples i wasn't referring solely to your comments, it just seems a lot of other posters alluded to McDonnell being past it
Quote from: Oak Leafer on June 22, 2011, 10:00:48 AM
Regarding McDonnells second goal chance......i think if you look again Mark Lynch finished from a very similar position.
I can't understand the criticism of McDonnell by Armagh folk....yes he's past his best but without him on Sunday it would have been cricket scores....jesus i wish we had him for the final!
i think lynch was lot closer to goal.Took it well though
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 22, 2011, 09:23:07 AM
The gloating shite coming from some Derry fans here is very reminicient of similar drivel from some Armagh fans after Down. The better team won on Sunday but there is no doubt they had a helping hand from the ineptitude of the Armagh line. Also McDonnells second goal chance which should have been pointed was a major turning point, the Derry goal that came from it killed the game. John Brennan got it spot on on the day and his contribution should not be played down. That said however I wouldn't fear meeting Derry again there is not 9 ponits between the teams.
I dont think there's too much gloating from Derry. We havent won anything and I dont think anyone in Derry is under any illusions about the team we have.
Yes it worked well for us on Sunday, but that's all forgotten the next day out and we'd have to improve again to have any chance in the final regardless of who we play.
I would agree with you that there isnt 9 points between us...on paper, I would put us on a par. Both teams with very good full forward lines and average everywhere else.
It just clicked for us this time.
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Quote from: tbrick18 on June 22, 2011, 09:06:24 AM
Diver was clean through could have shot for goal as he'd only the keeper to beat but tried to fist it over the bar and fisted it wide!
You're being harsh on Diver there, watch the match again, he had about three Armagh defenders bearing down on him with at least two of them on the goal side.
Not trying to be harsh on him but from where he fisted it he could have kicked it for goal is all I'm saying. A forward would have.
Diver had a great game IMO, I was just trying to highlight to the previous poster that we had more than 3 goal chances.
On a slightly different note, in many different publications I have seen great praise for the performance of the ref David Coldrick. While not wanting to dwell on different decisions I thought he ruined the momentum of an excellent first half by taking a ridiculous amount of time to deal with situations. It took him an age to discuss things with umpires and the Diver Toner kick incident must have taken almost 4 minutes to resolve. Also after scores he strolled out to midfield and goalies kickouts were terribly slow to occur.
All this wouldnt be so bad if you had a rugby situation where the clock is stopped when hes doing all this talking. But I couldnt believe it when at the end of the first half 2 minutes of stoppage time was indicated. Should have been at least 5 if not 6. Why oh why has this not been sorted out by GAA authorities. 3/4 minutes could mean at least 3 scores. Hence to me its a much more important change to be made than hawk eye which may effect one score every 3/4 games. This lack of proper stoppage time is effecting every half we play.
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Quote from: David McKeown on June 20, 2011, 04:58:22 PM
My observations of the game would be as follows:
Armagh were awful, particularly tactically, I can think of very few occasions were failing tactics were changed by POR who instead choose to change players for almost identical players. Before the game I could have told which subs were going to be used and who they were going to replace and sure enough I got 4 out of 5 of them right. When a defensive system isnt working (i.e. man for man on Lynch and Bradley) there is no point sticking with the system and continually change players without ever thinking of changing tactic.
Derry were good but not great, with the exception of Braddley and Lynch (who were excellent and allowed to be excellent) I thought Derry were ordinary to good and I would expect a big improvement in the final (which I feel will likely be needed)
Bradley is a fantastic footballer but should have been slapped by his manager for the stupid altercation with Mallon which was needlessly instigated by Bradley. In addition Bradley is one of the cutest footballers at winning himself frees and getting opponents booked that I have ever seen. Thats not a criticisim as winning a foul is a much a skill in the modern game as beating your man.
Brennan is a fantastic manager both tactically and interms of man management, I bumped into the Derry team when I was getting a feed after the game and they seemed very relaxed and were even having a drink or two as if the game had just been another day at the office.
POR is wasting one of the finest squads Armagh has ever had imo but we will have him for at least one more year. I may only be 26 but this was the first summer I ever booked a holiday without first ensuring it didnt clash with an Armagh game. The reason for this is I am so disillusioned with the Armagh management.
The refereeing was very poor and highly inconsistent but made no difference to the result, the booking for Donaghy was for me harsh but what irked me more was when Clarke got fouled at the other end the cards werent as quick at coming. Also why was Diver was booked? From where I was it looked like he kicked Toner in the face? If he did surely thats either deliberate (and a sending off) or accidental and not even a foul? This fudge always annoys me. Likewise with Mallon for the retaliation on Bradley
From the minor game Armagh were highly impressive and tbh the scoreline flattered Fermanagh a little as Armagh hit the crossbar three times and the Fermanagh keeper pulled of some wonderful saves. Third straight Ulster Final for this management team (and I think for McGeown at full forward) and for me they really deserve a chance with the U21's or seniors next year. Also I would really like to see McGeown in the senior team as he seems well able to take a score and is quite creative, he may well be worth a look in the half forward line.
Must say I think you have summarised things very well from an Armagh point of view. As for McGeown I think he really does show potential but can drift in and out of the game a bit - probably common for a young fella though. It is a great achievement for the minor management to reach 3 Ulster finals in a row and when you look at Armagh's poor minor record over the last forty years it really does show how much difference a good management team can make.
They are a good management team yes but it's not down to them alone. The bigger picture is the overall work done at underage level in Armagh. There has been great work done over the past 8 or 9 years by various unsung heros in restructuring underage football in Armagh and the county has been reaping the benefits the past few years - it's no accident or fluke of having good management in place.
Agree totally. But we need the management teams in place to carry on the work from minor to under 21 and senior. They should all be working under a similar agenda. I would also not be sure about moving the minor management team to senior or under 21 if there was not suitable replacements for them at this level.
Quote from: lemallon on June 22, 2011, 01:03:55 PM
All this wouldnt be so bad if you had a rugby situation where the clock is stopped when hes doing all this talking. But I couldnt believe it when at the end of the first half 2 minutes of stoppage time was indicated. Should have been at least 5 if not 6. Why oh why has this not been sorted out by GAA authorities. 3/4 minutes could mean at least 3 scores. Hence to me its a much more important change to be made than hawk eye which may effect one score every 3/4 games. This lack of proper stoppage time is effecting every half we play.
Definitely agree with this. Was stunned when they signalled for two minutes at the end of the first half after a series of delays. Unreal amount of time wasted, the average amount of injury time should be nearer five minutes per half instead of the standard two. It's short changing the supporters.
The logical move would be for the minor management to progress on to U21 at some stage soon and work with those same groups of players again and take them that stage closer to senior.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 22, 2011, 09:23:07 AM
The gloating shite coming from some Derry fans here is very reminicient of similar drivel from some Armagh fans after Down. The better team won on Sunday but there is no doubt they had a helping hand from the ineptitude of the Armagh line. Also McDonnells second goal chance which should have been pointed was a major turning point, the Derry goal that came from it killed the game. John Brennan got it spot on on the day and his contribution should not be played down. That said however I wouldn't fear meeting Derry again there is not 9 ponits between the teams.
Definately no gloating from real Derry supporters lad, or even any that I've talked to. I can say that with some confidence. We have nothing to gloat about for a start. It's nice to win all the same when the whole country and press tell you that you've no chance.
"youse boys (in the meedja) knows nuthin about fudbawl anyway" Wee Eamon.
Good luck to Armagh for the rest of the year. I agree with most of your comments there. Armagh met a tuned-in Derry side (albeit missing a few key individuals) with a good manager. It's all on the day and that's Ulster football. Christ, we should know!
If we beat Tyrone in the final then we can all gloat together :)
Quote from: lemallon on June 22, 2011, 01:03:55 PM
On a slightly different note, in many different publications I have seen great praise for the performance of the ref David Coldrick. While not wanting to dwell on different decisions I thought he ruined the momentum of an excellent first half by taking a ridiculous amount of time to deal with situations. It took him an age to discuss things with umpires and the Diver Toner kick incident must have taken almost 4 minutes to resolve. Also after scores he strolled out to midfield and goalies kickouts were terribly slow to occur.
All this wouldnt be so bad if you had a rugby situation where the clock is stopped when hes doing all this talking. But I couldnt believe it when at the end of the first half 2 minutes of stoppage time was indicated. Should have been at least 5 if not 6. Why oh why has this not been sorted out by GAA authorities. 3/4 minutes could mean at least 3 scores. Hence to me its a much more important change to be made than hawk eye which may effect one score every 3/4 games. This lack of proper stoppage time is effecting every half we play.
You must have been sitting with the season ticket holders were there was bewilderment on how little injury time there was. In the first half, for example, the Diver + Toner incident seemed to take over a minute and a half. When you add on the amount of time spent consulting people on other incidents 2 minutes seemed very little. Although it saved Armagh from further embarrassment the one minute in the second half was laughable. In some match down the line this could effect the result of a game. By the way the best referee timekeeping I remember in a match was the 2004 All Ireland under 21 final when 10 minutes injury time was called and then a further 2 added for injury time in injury time. The referee was a Kerry man but I cannot remember his name.