The Court of Arbitration for Sport has ruled that anyone born in the 6 counties can be selected to play soccer for the Republic of Ireland. There is no right of appeal.
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Should the thread title not be;
"Blow for "YOUR Wee Country"!'
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 30, 2010, 02:52:55 PM
The Court of Arbitration for Sport has ruled that anyone born in the 6 counties can be selected to play soccer for the Republic of Ireland. There is no right of appeal.
so they also then effectively agree that ist just not a 'country' !!
amalgamation of teams the only way.
And rightly so...
no great surprise really, proper decision.
Ah that's all right. I misread the title and thought it was another Leinster Final thread.
Well im glad that a decision has been made so at least this issue can be put to bed. Players that don't want to play for NI can play for the republic, at least we will know the players that do declare for NI are 100 % commited to us, as a fan you can't ask for more than that :)
In the grand scheme of things a few lost players won't make a titter of difference we won't be gracing any of the euro/world cup finals anytime soon either with or without them. But then supporting your team is more than just about qualifying for tournaments its about watching 11 players representing northern ireland on the pitch and giving it there all, this decision won't change that so as a fan as far as im concerned its business as usual for norn iron :)
Quote from: delboy on July 30, 2010, 03:40:58 PM
Well im glad that a decision has been made so at least this issue can be put to bed. Players that don't want to play for NI can play for the republic, at least we will know the players that do declare for NI are 100 % commited to us, as a fan you can't ask for more than that :)
In the grand scheme of things a few lost players won't make a titter of difference we won't be gracing any of the euro/world cup finals anytime soon either with or without them. But then supporting your team is more than just about qualifying for tournaments its about watching 11 players representing northern ireland on the pitch and giving it there all, this decision won't change that so as a fan as far as im concerned its business as usual for norn iron :)
You're bound to be embarrassed that those IFA muppets took it to court then. I can't get over their stupidity at times , well all of the time really...
Quote from: delboy on July 30, 2010, 03:40:58 PM
Well im glad that a decision has been made so at least this issue can be put to bed. Players that don't want to play for NI can play for the republic, at least we will know the players that do declare for NI are 100 % commited to us, as a fan you can't ask for more than that :)
In the grand scheme of things a few lost players won't make a titter of difference we won't be gracing any of the euro/world cup finals anytime soon either with or without them. But then supporting your team is more than just about qualifying for tournaments its about watching 11 players representing northern ireland on the pitch and giving it there all, this decision won't change that so as a fan as far as im concerned its business as usual for norn iron :)
Optimistic take on it delboy, fair play.
From the News Letter
FOOTBALL fans have voiced disappointment that early previews of the George Best musical ignored his international career with Northern Ireland.
A number of supporters who attended the opening this week revealed that the performance does not make reference to memorable Best's exploits in the green shirt.
That is even though the official programme notes that he possibly scored the most famous "goal" of his career at Windsor Park.
The programme, while listing in chronological order the many clubs the distinguished player appeared for, including Manchester United, also omits his 37 caps for Northern Ireland.
However, a co-writer of the play, who claimed there was "nothing dramatic" in Best's playing days for his country, did not rule out a specific Northern Ireland section in the final production.
'Dancing Shoes - The George Best Story' opened at the Grand Opera House on Wednesday evening and runs until August 14.
The musical covers numerous landmark moments in Best's chequered career, including his football skills first being discovered, his European Cup success with Manchester United, his womanising and his battle with alcoholism which ultimately claimed his life.
Despite the principal character - played by actor Aidan O'Neill - not donning the famous green jersey at Wednesday night's opening, some of the audience did wear replica Northern Ireland tops in their own tribute.
One member of the audience said: "There seems to be this ongoing perception that any association with the Northern Ireland team is deemed sectarian."
.... seems nothing's going right for Our Wee Failed Statelet at the minute, maybe they can take Marty Lynch to world theatre's court of arbitration :D
A British statelet being governed by your heroes Sinn Fein, but maybe you are too thick to realise that.
Quote from: Trout on July 30, 2010, 05:40:22 PM
A British statelet being governed by your heroes Sinn Fein, but maybe you are too thick to realise that.
'My heroes'? You know nothing about my political views so don't make such 'thick' assumptions, idiot.
Anyway, FAI take on matters:
The Football Association of Ireland today (July 30) confirmed that it has won the case taken to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) by the IFA in relation to Daniel Kearns.
The landmark ruling vindicates
the FAI and FIFA position that players born within the island of Ireland are eligible to play for FAI international teams and provides complete and final clarity on the matter. The Football Association of Ireland delegation which attended the hearing on July 19 in Switzerland was composed of John Delaney, CEO, Michael Cody, Honorary Secretary and Sarah O'Shea, Legal Director. The FAI was represented by Paul Gardiner SC and David Casserly BL.
Daniel Kearns was represented by Gary Rice of Beauchamps.
The FAI thanks the many bodies which assisted it in this case including the Irish Government, the Department of Foreign Affairs, the Department of Tourism, Culture and Sport, the Olympic Council of Ireland, the Irish Sports Council, FIFA, UEFA, numerous elected representatives throughout the island of Ireland and many others.
The ruling comes into force with immediate effect and under the terms of the ruling, the IFA will pay all related costs. The FAI would like to take the opportunity to highlight that it has in recent years had good relations with the IFA. Those were maintained throughout this case and will continue into the future.
Welcoming the ruling, FAI Chief Executive John Delaney said;
"Today's landmark decision by the Court of Arbitration for Sport confirms the FIFA and FAI position on player eligibility. The ruling upholds the right of individual choice on this matter for players born north of the border. I would like to thank the many people from all parts of the island who were strongly supportive during this process, and in particular,
recognise the determination of Daniel Kearns and his family to uphold his right as an Irish citizen to play for his country."
Quote from: delboy on July 30, 2010, 03:40:58 PM
Well im glad that a decision has been made so at least this issue can be put to bed. Players that don't want to play for NI can play for the republic, at least we will know the players that do declare for NI are 100 % commited to us, as a fan you can't ask for more than that :)
In the grand scheme of things a few lost players won't make a titter of difference we won't be gracing any of the euro/world cup finals anytime soon either with or without them. But then supporting your team is more than just about qualifying for tournaments its about watching 11 players representing northern ireland on the pitch and giving it there all, this decision won't change that so as a fan as far as im concerned its business as usual for norn iron :)
NO SURRENDER!
Quote from: haranguerer on July 30, 2010, 03:46:51 PM
You're bound to be embarrassed that those IFA muppets took it to court then. I can't get over their stupidity at times , well all of the time really...
I will never be surprised by the ineptitude of the IFA.
Does this mean that McShane can play for the North.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 30, 2010, 10:15:52 PM
Does this mean that McShane can play for the North.
Hopefully
from the bbc:
"Fifa rules include a clause allowing players to change nationality once before they play a senior competitive match if they were born "on the territory of the relevant association".
The Good Friday Agreement of 1998 provided for Northern Ireland-born people to claim either British or Irish nationality.
Kearns, who attended the CAS hearing, was released by English club West Ham last season."
the above quote should be handed out to unionists households who still havent grasped the gfa. the relevant territory for irish nationality/passports is the 32 counties of ireland.
Can we now assume that the FAI can actively engage players at underage level in the 6 counties?
If the players played for Ireland at this level, it would put the transfer argument to bed wouldn't it?
The general consensus of the "outraged",in the public domain anyway, is one of lost investment, so that would no longer be the case. Maybe its not just about the money?
maybe is right
Quote from: haranguerer on July 30, 2010, 03:46:51 PM
Quote from: delboy on July 30, 2010, 03:40:58 PM
Well im glad that a decision has been made so at least this issue can be put to bed. Players that don't want to play for NI can play for the republic, at least we will know the players that do declare for NI are 100 % commited to us, as a fan you can't ask for more than that :)
In the grand scheme of things a few lost players won't make a titter of difference we won't be gracing any of the euro/world cup finals anytime soon either with or without them. But then supporting your team is more than just about qualifying for tournaments its about watching 11 players representing northern ireland on the pitch and giving it there all, this decision won't change that so as a fan as far as im concerned its business as usual for norn iron :)
You're bound to be embarrassed that those IFA muppets took it to court then. I can't get over their stupidity at times , well all of the time really...
Muppets everywhere are offended at this comment.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 30, 2010, 03:14:35 PM
amalgamation of teams the only way.
Ah right, so denying players choice isn't so bad after all then? ::)
Quote from: MW on August 03, 2010, 12:12:15 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 30, 2010, 03:14:35 PM
amalgamation of teams the only way.
Ah right, so denying players choice isn't so bad after all then? ::)
oh the irony !! :D
Quote from: MW on August 03, 2010, 12:12:15 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 30, 2010, 03:14:35 PM
amalgamation of teams the only way.
Ah right, so denying players choice isn't so bad after all then? ::)
Zing!
Quote from: MW on August 03, 2010, 09:12:38 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 03, 2010, 09:26:28 AM
Quote from: MW on August 03, 2010, 12:12:15 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 30, 2010, 03:14:35 PM
amalgamation of teams the only way.
Ah right, so denying players choice isn't so bad after all then? ::)
oh the irony !! :D
Precisely.
Ah the old circular argument.
Its like Unionists telling us to accept a democracy which carefully manufactured by the creation of a majority in six counties. Yet ignore the democracy of an all Ireland.
If UK had a referendum to jettison the six counties then how do you think they would vote?
Quote from: Orior on August 03, 2010, 09:47:30 PM
Quote from: MW on August 03, 2010, 09:12:38 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 03, 2010, 09:26:28 AM
Quote from: MW on August 03, 2010, 12:12:15 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 30, 2010, 03:14:35 PM
amalgamation of teams the only way.
Ah right, so denying players choice isn't so bad after all then? ::)
oh the irony !! :D
Precisely.
Ah the old circular argument.
Its like Unionists telling us to accept a democracy which carefully manufactured by the creation of a majority in six counties. Yet ignore the democracy of an all Ireland.
If UK had a referendum to jettison the six counties then how do you think they would vote?
Not sure how you class it as a circular argument.
I'm pointing out that anyone championing "choice" for players from NI at international level by definition can't support merging the NI & ROI teams. Well not without a great deal of hypocrisy.
Quote from: MW on August 03, 2010, 10:39:31 PM
Not sure how you class it as a circular argument.
I'm pointing out that anyone championing "choice" for players from NI at international level by definition can't support merging the NI & ROI teams. Well not without a great deal of hypocrisy.
Yeah but, no but, yeah but, no but
Choice infers that you have more than one option. Which is the case with players born in the occupied six.
What choice do you suggest players will have after re-unification? Will they want to align themselves with England? Maybe they could team up with Isle of Man?
Quote from: Orior on August 03, 2010, 11:04:10 PM
Quote from: MW on August 03, 2010, 10:39:31 PM
Not sure how you class it as a circular argument.
I'm pointing out that anyone championing "choice" for players from NI at international level by definition can't support merging the NI & ROI teams. Well not without a great deal of hypocrisy.
Yeah but, no but, yeah but, no but
Choice infers that you have more than one option. Which is the case with players born in the occupied six.
What choice do you suggest players will have after re-unification? Will they want to align themselves with England? Maybe they could team up with Isle of Man?
I think you're missing my point.
An all-Ireland team (in the context of an international border still existing on this island) would represent a denial of choice: a very odd position for any supporter of the right of "choice" to play for the RoI to take.
Not a denial of choice, as it would have to be an agreed choice to have an All Ireland team in the first place.
Quote from: Main Street on August 04, 2010, 01:44:40 PM
Not a denial of choice, as it would have to be an agreed choice to have an All Ireland team in the first place.
Agreement for a UI team as in a simple majority or agreement like they do up in stormont with cross community support (which appears to be the least worst option for a divided society) thats the six million dollar question??
Blow what?
Quote from: Main Street on August 04, 2010, 01:44:40 PM
Not a denial of choice, as it would have to be an agreed choice to have an All Ireland team in the first place.
It would be a unanimously-agreed decision by all present and future international footballers from Northern Ireland, would it?
Quote from: MW on August 04, 2010, 10:30:25 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 04, 2010, 01:44:40 PM
Not a denial of choice, as it would have to be an agreed choice to have an All Ireland team in the first place.
It would be a unanimously-agreed decision by all present and future international footballers from Northern Ireland, would it?
The rational process that you utilise to partake in a discussion here, is seriously upended. I really don't know what would remedy the situation. But for your own sake, what ever you think, just don't type it out and immediately post it to the board. I suggest leaving it there on the desktop and attempt over the following few days just to see how foolish it can look from other perspectives. Possibly that might improve your situation, as they say - no pain no gain.
Quote from: Main Street on August 05, 2010, 10:06:40 AM
Quote from: MW on August 04, 2010, 10:30:25 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 04, 2010, 01:44:40 PM
Not a denial of choice, as it would have to be an agreed choice to have an All Ireland team in the first place.
It would be a unanimously-agreed decision by all present and future international footballers from Northern Ireland, would it?
The rational process that you utilise to partake in a discussion here, is seriously upended. I really don't know what would remedy the situation. But for your own sake, what ever you think, just don't type it out and immediately post it to the board. I suggest leaving it there on the desktop and attempt over the following few days just to see how foolish it can look from other perspectives. Possibly that might improve your situation, as they say - no pain no gain.
I worry about you MS, really, I do.
If you can't understand that an all-Ireland team would deny present and future players the choice to play for Northern Ireland, there's really no hope for you.
Quote from: MW on August 05, 2010, 11:16:44 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 05, 2010, 10:06:40 AM
Quote from: MW on August 04, 2010, 10:30:25 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 04, 2010, 01:44:40 PM
Not a denial of choice, as it would have to be an agreed choice to have an All Ireland team in the first place.
It would be a unanimously-agreed decision by all present and future international footballers from Northern Ireland, would it?
The rational process that you utilise to partake in a discussion here, is seriously upended. I really don't know what would remedy the situation. But for your own sake, what ever you think, just don't type it out and immediately post it to the board. I suggest leaving it there on the desktop and attempt over the following few days just to see how foolish it can look from other perspectives. Possibly that might improve your situation, as they say - no pain no gain.
I worry about you MS, really, I do.
If you can't understand that an all-Ireland team would deny present and future players the choice to play for Northern Ireland, there's really no hope for you.
it does when you admit that the concept of 'northern Ireland' being a 'country' is as real as 'narnia' sinks in !
dont worry, I expect that with the guaranteed eventual move to an Ireland team, the potential prospect of a GB team would probably allow loyalist/unionist players to declare for this side as they would undoubtedly have british passports.
Quote from: MW on August 05, 2010, 11:16:44 PM
an all-Ireland team would deny present and future players the choice to play for Northern Ireland, .
Doesnt seem to bother the "rubby" shower ;)
I hear Raymond Kennedy has done a U-turn over his resignation and is now staying put ... what sort of circus are youse running over there in Windsor Avenue? It makes the FAI suits look like rocket scientists :D
Quote from: red hander on August 06, 2010, 08:58:49 PM
I hear Raymond Kennedy has done a U-turn over his resignation and is now staying put ... what sort of circus are youse running over there in Windsor Avenue? It makes the FAI suits look like rocket scientists :D
It'll put a stop to the redevelopment of Windsor Park. Can we redirect the money to the sum we're already getting from Stormont to redevelop Casement Park please? ;D
Dunno if it will ... Nelson says he'll pull the cash if Raymie doesn't go, but I wouldn't trust the dinosaur as far as I could kick him across Ann Street
Saw Kennedy's coupon on the Coleraine "Twelfth Round-up" on UTV - a true and loyal man. Really, the more that this farce continues, the the more it sounds like a fraught meeting of the local Orange Lodge, where the Grand Master has decided to take on the brethren. Mickey Mouse me thinks, but where are the men in grey suits? - perhaps too busy marching? The IFA has to show a bit of "testicular fortitude" or else it will lose any credibility it retains. Perhaps the problem is that Kennedy - given the money paid out to your man Wells - knows that he will have to go at a price as he has some form of contract .................. Await further developments on Brother Kennedy's future ...