For you ross4life. ;) And others who want to put last Sunday's display behind us/ye.
Haha that's better wouldn't wanna upset the Cork Boys ;)
latest Odds Sligo to win 11/4 Draw 15/2 Mayo 4/11
this game is down for a 5pm throw in is this correct?
Feel bookies have it about right,weight of expectation very much on Sligo after league and i dont think they are going to do it. In fact i am sure they wont do it>
Quote from: macedoniaexile on April 29, 2010, 10:14:07 PM
Feel bookies have it about right,weight of expectation very much on Sligo after league and i dont think they are going to do it. In fact i am sure they wont do it>
:D :D :D :D Let the battle commence, we were 5/1 to beat roscommon in 07 and 6/1 to beat galway lol
Its unbeliveable nearly how much better shape we are in than the last 3 yrs ago, the team selections, players stepped up, we are so much more improved im just delighted with the management and players. Barring injuries I could name the starting 15 now and so could many and its a great position to be in. If we could beat mayo it would be a huge stepping stone.
I honestly believe whoever wins this, will win Connacht.
Like your confidence Sligonian but for me who ever wins this will be beaten by Galway & they will walk the final & for what it's worth last time i was wrong picking a Connacht winner was 2005 when i thought Mayo would win it (& yes i was one of few that picked ye to beat Galway won myself some money too :) but i didn't get 6/1 odds >:()
Interest Stat i found also... Every time Galway/Mayo have played New York they have brought home the Connacht title
Quote from: ross4life on April 30, 2010, 12:00:48 AM
Like your confidence Sligonian but for me who ever wins this will be beaten by Galway & they will walk the final & for what it's worth last time i was wrong picking a Connacht winner was 2005 when i thought Mayo would win it (& yes i was one of few that picked ye to be Galway won myself some money too :) but i didn't get 6/1 odds >:()
Interest Stat i found also... Every time Galway/Mayo have played New York they have brought home the Connacht title
Awful poor odds on Mayo. Considering that we were pelted off stage only 4 days ago. If we re such s**** surely we deserve decent odds. Sligo were team of the weekend yet .... If I was a Sligo man I d take your hand off for that price - right? You could be right about Galway. It may go 2 ways imo. I was spooked by them in the league game v Mayo. Off the pace for a reason. If they buy into JK methods then the rest will be in trouble. If we happen to beat Sligo and get turned over in Castlebar by Galway with JK as manager the MCB wont find a hole big enough to hide in after the clubby set up they fostered on us last 4 championship. The only thing is though that Galway have not bought into the last 3 managers. Strangely, even though it s JK's first year in charge, you d have a better shot at the Galway team than Mayo s at this stage. I have to admit that even though we had a good league overall we look very bitty for the championship. And this is happening every year.
Sligo is a hard place to go and win. 100% home league record for sligo, correct me if i'm wrong Sligonian. Lads like Lar and Moysider have the current situation in Mayo summed up pretty well. Team selection is still a bit up in the air after the league final. I see where moysider was coming from when talking about O'Malley and how Goulding had a perfect supply into him but i still hold reservations about O'Malley. Good footballer but not tight enough when it comes to the white heat of championship IMO. Cast our minds back to Connacht final last year in Pearse, Nicky Joyce gave him a roasting even though Mayo dominated midfield and possession in the 1st half. Have a fair few other problems than just corner back to be fair as well though. Alot of things can change within the month but i'd like to see a team something like
Clarke
Barrett Caff Higgins
Vaughan SOS McLoughlin
McGaritty Harte(Better work rate than Parsons)
Andy Moran Dillon Kilcoyne
C Mortimer A O'Shea Varley
Ronaldson, he'd be the first sub on up front, Peadar like wise in defence. Pity Tom Cunniffe didn't get back for a few games in the league, he could do a job a centre half back and that would free SOS to move to middle to replace Harte.
Great to see Kilcoyne back. Hopefully he can continue where he left off last year. Other than the league final has he played since the Meath game last year? How has he been playing for K'More?
As for the odds on Mayo....sssshhhhh....they will accusing us of match fixing next ;D
Played one game for Knockmore against Crossmolina. Scored 0-6. That's all he's payed yet though. He should be in good shape for the game in Markievicz.
Quote from: ballinaman on April 30, 2010, 03:01:13 AM
Sligo is a hard place to go and win. 100% home league record for sligo, correct me if i'm wrong Sligonian. Lads like Lar and Moysider have the current situation in Mayo summed up pretty well. Team selection is still a bit up in the air after the league final. I see where moysider was coming from when talking about O'Malley and how Goulding had a perfect supply into him but i still hold reservations about O'Malley. Good footballer but not tight enough when it comes to the white heat of championship IMO. Cast our minds back to Connacht final last year in Pearse, Nicky Joyce gave him a roasting even though Mayo dominated midfield and possession in the 1st half. Have a fair few other problems than just corner back to be fair as well though. Alot of things can change within the month but i'd like to see a team something like
Clarke
Barrett Caff Higgins
Vaughan SOS McLoughlin
McGaritty Harte(Better work rate than Parsons)
Andy Moran Dillon Kilcoyne
C Mortimer A O'Shea Varley
Ronaldson, he'd be the first sub on up front, Peadar like wise in defence. Pity Tom Cunniffe didn't get back for a few games in the league, he could do a job a centre half back and that would free SOS to move to middle to replace Harte.
Your are indeed correct. I read Martin McHugh the other day and he said Sligo were best team last weekend, but that is bullshit, as we were playing antrim, not Cork or Armagh etc..., for me Cork were the best team and Armagh next.
The other thing he said was Markievicz wont suit us, well as Ballinaman points out we won all home games, and I can tell you the Cavan performance wasnt a million miles behind last saturdays.
Mayo deserve to be favourites imo, but I find this game ridiculously hard to call. Alot of our lads will be new to championship and wont have experienced the pace before. I think its only natural that a fair few Sligofans will go in believing we will win but of course we could be wrong. I cant see this other than being a tight game. I was doing the match ups with my Dad the other day and really it comes down to midfield and if we can get enough possession into our forwards. Mayo looked a slightly more phyiscal team than us and our lads have this week off so ye'll have an 1 extra week training on us ;).
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 30, 2010, 11:48:09 AM
Your are indeed correct. I read Martin McHugh the other day and he said Sligo were best team last weekend, but that is bullshit, as we were playing antrim, not Cork or Armagh etc..., for me Cork were the best team and Armagh next.
The other thing he said was Markievicz wont suit us, well as Ballinaman points out we won all home games, and I can tell you the Cavan performance wasnt a million miles behind last saturdays.
Mayo deserve to be favourites imo, but I find this game ridiculously hard to call. Alot of our lads will be new to championship and wont have experienced the pace before. I think its only natural that a fair few Sligofans will go in believing we will win but of course we could be wrong. I cant see this other than being a tight game. I was doing the match ups with my Dad the other day and really it comes down to midfield and if we can get enough possession into our forwards. Mayo looked a slightly more phyiscal team than us and our lads have this week off so ye'll have an 1 extra week training on us ;).
What a difference a day makes!
That's solid, sensible post, Sligonian, and if Walsh gets his team thinking along the same lines, Mayo could indeed have a fight on their hands.
Yesterday, you wrote," Its unbeliveable nearly how much better shape we are in than the last 3 yrs ago, the team selections, players stepped up, we are so much more improved im just delighted with the management and players."
"Lovely, bleedin' lovely," sez Lar to himself. "Now; if only all of Sligo should think the same way, they'll be still out looking for survivors a week after we meet them."
I see you have toned down your expectations dramatically today and I think you are right to do so. I'm delighted with your win last Sunday and if you happen to beat Mayo, I'll be behind you all the way— unless of course we happen to meet again!
But keep things in perspective; you are now Div 3 champions. Mayo scored more and conceded less than any other Div 1 side in the league.
We haven't gone away you know, as Gerry Adams might put it.
There's more to John O'Mahony than a pretty face and, for the faults I find with him, he's still a very experienced operator. I don't think one great win can transform Sligo into superheroes just as one bad loss can't write off Mayo for the championships.
Sligo are going to be under tremendous pressure on June 6th to maintain their present fine form in front of the home crowd and will need to be as fired up as they were last Sunday. It ain't gonna to be easy to keep the pot boiling between now and then.
By contrast, Mayo won't be travelling to Markievicz Park to prove they are just as inept as they seemed last Sunday. To be beaten by Cork in the league is on thing; to follow it up with a loss to Sligo in the very first championship game of the season will be unthinkable.
Yee have a scrap on yeer hands!
If all stays well with me, I hope we can meet up at the game, as planned, and somehow I think I'll be offering you my commiserations. ;D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 30, 2010, 01:36:00 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 30, 2010, 11:48:09 AM
Your are indeed correct. I read Martin McHugh the other day and he said Sligo were best team last weekend, but that is bullshit, as we were playing antrim, not Cork or Armagh etc..., for me Cork were the best team and Armagh next.
The other thing he said was Markievicz wont suit us, well as Ballinaman points out we won all home games, and I can tell you the Cavan performance wasnt a million miles behind last saturdays.
Mayo deserve to be favourites imo, but I find this game ridiculously hard to call. Alot of our lads will be new to championship and wont have experienced the pace before. I think its only natural that a fair few Sligofans will go in believing we will win but of course we could be wrong. I cant see this other than being a tight game. I was doing the match ups with my Dad the other day and really it comes down to midfield and if we can get enough possession into our forwards. Mayo looked a slightly more phyiscal team than us and our lads have this week off so ye'll have an 1 extra week training on us ;).
What a difference a day makes!
That's solid, sensible post, Sligonian, and if Walsh gets his team thinking along the same lines, Mayo could indeed have a fight on their hands.
Yesterday, you wrote," Its unbeliveable nearly how much better shape we are in than the last 3 yrs ago, the team selections, players stepped up, we are so much more improved im just delighted with the management and players."
"Lovely, bleedin' lovely," sez Lar to himself. "Now; if only all of Sligo should think the same way, they'll be still out looking for survivors a week after we meet them."
I see you have toned down your expectations dramatically today and I think you are right to do so. I'm delighted with your win last Sunday and if you happen to beat Mayo, I'll be behind you all the way— unless of course we happen to meet again!
But keep things in perspective; you are now Div 3 champions. Mayo scored more and conceded less than any other Div 1 side in the league.
We haven't gone away you know, as Gerry Adams might put it.
There's more to John O'Mahony than a pretty face and, for the faults I find with him, he's still a very experienced operator. I don't think one great win can transform Sligo into superheroes just as one bad loss can't write off Mayo for the championships.
Sligo are going to be under tremendous pressure on June 6th to maintain their present fine form in front of the home crowd and will need to be as fired up as they were last Sunday. It ain't gonna to be easy to keep the pot boiling between now and then.
By contrast, Mayo won't be travelling to Markievicz Park to prove they are just as inept as they seemed last Sunday. To be beaten by Cork in the league is on thing; to follow it up with a loss to Sligo in the very first championship game of the season will be unthinkable.
Yee have a scrap on yeer hands!
If all stays well with me, I hope we can meet up at the game, as planned, and somehow I think I'll be offering you my commiserations. ;D
I still stand by that, we are alot better than 07. I also read one of the mayo posters say about Sligos hang up in Connacht, well a fair few of these lads have Connacht medals, 2008 was a write off, preparation mentally was absymal that yr, also 2009 was more down to a 11 week break than anything else, contributing to a sluggish start against Galway and poor team selections with ewing on armstrong a mismatch.
If mayo think we are going to be carried away and over confident, eh no, the players know it will be unreal tough to beat mayo. I just feel the hunger is there to put in a serious challenge and intensity and I will back our lads to do themselves justice on the day.
How much do mayo know about Sligo, in terms of Cawley, M Quinn, Gilmartin, Costello, McGee, Marren or are ye not to bothered ;)?
What is it with Andy Moran and the current Mayo management :-[ :-[. I cannot believe that he is still on the team. He is flying under the radar IMO. Having watched him over the last couple of years for both club and county I fail to see why he is the sunshine boy. True, he will get the odd soft point when the game is all but over, be it winning or losing, but in the heat of battle he brings nothing to the table. His scoring record is woeful and why some might believe that he is a worker then those should compare him to Paul Galvin.......who is different class in all aspects of his game.
As for our management team in Mayo, its a bit like 3 Pinkies and the Brain.........
SAFFRON,
I was at a few league games this year and he ran his markers into the ground and had several lads tried on him in a few games. While he did not score a lot he done the spadework for others to score and is a definite starter in my books. You may be jealous or something, but he is a good county player.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 30, 2010, 02:55:42 PM
I still stand by that, we are alot better than 07. I also read one of the mayo posters say about Sligos hang up in Connacht, well a fair few of these lads have Connacht medals, 2008 was a write off, preparation mentally was absymal that yr, also 2009 was more down to a 11 week break than anything else, contributing to a sluggish start against Galway and poor team selections with ewing on armstrong a mismatch.
If mayo think we are going to be carried away and over confident, eh no, the players know it will be unreal tough to beat mayo. I just feel the hunger is there to put in a serious challenge and intensity and I will back our lads to do themselves justice on the day.
How much do mayo know about Sligo, in terms of Cawley, M Quinn, Gilmartin, Costello, McGee, Marren or are ye not to bothered ;)?
When you sup with the devil, you need a long spoon.
I just hope Sligo realise, for their own sakes of course, that Mayo ain't Antrim and this won't be a training session for our young buckeens to get the feel of Croke Park. Yee need to keep yeer distance and be wary of getting too confident and cocky.
Yup; Sligo has had Connacht c**k ups; assloads of 'em. Yee went close to blowing it in '07, don't forget.
Them Galway devils are even worse than our type; yee took the foot off the pedal that day and almost got caught. I was praying yee would hold on and O'Hara would get a Connacht medal. I'd say all of Mayo were roaring him on. Sligo were very lucky not to blow it.
Sligo have had a few good runs in the qualifiers in the last 10 years but never seem to do themselves justice in the Connacht championship.
Beware of the heavy hand of history, as my old history teacher used to say, or you could get a big boot up the ass.
How much do mayo know about Sligo, in terms of Cawley, M Quinn, Gilmartin, Costello, McGee, Marren or are ye not to bothered ?
Not a whole lot to be honest! ;D
We will bother about our own braves, as we always do, and try and get them on the warpath and leave youse to worry about us.
Of course mayo are favorites. Last sunday mayo lost a national league final to Probably the Strongest team in the country. Losing to to a Division 3 team would be a disaster on a different scale altogether . Remember mayo have Beaten kerry Tyrone and indeed cork already this year maybe they were not at full Strength but neither were Mayo .even Ballinaman's team has 5 different players from last sunday and several positinal switches .
though i suspect this was done to get as many ballinamen on the team as possible
Quote from: rosnarun on April 30, 2010, 11:46:04 PM
Of course mayo are favorites. Last sunday mayo lost a national league final to Probably the Strongest team in the country. Losing to to a Division 3 team would be a disaster on a different scale altogether . Remember mayo have Beaten kerry Tyrone and indeed cork already this year maybe they were not at full Strength but neither were Mayo .even Ballinaman's team has 5 different players from last sunday and several positinal switches .
though i suspect this was done to get as many ballinamen on the team as possible
That would be a bit blinkered in fairness, sure there were 5 the day in salthill in 07 and Mayo were shite that day. Just my honest opinion, you'd have to have Harte on instead of Parsons for sheer athleticism and workrate if nothing else.Clarke,Caff and McGarrity are nailed on starters with Conroy challenging Caff and thats about it.
Quote from: ballinaman on May 01, 2010, 06:00:55 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 30, 2010, 11:46:04 PM
Of course mayo are favorites. Last sunday mayo lost a national league final to Probably the Strongest team in the country. Losing to to a Division 3 team would be a disaster on a different scale altogether . Remember mayo have Beaten kerry Tyrone and indeed cork already this year maybe they were not at full Strength but neither were Mayo .even Ballinaman's team has 5 different players from last sunday and several positinal switches .
though i suspect this was done to get as many ballinamen on the team as possible
That would be a bit blinkered in fairness, sure there were 5 the day in salthill in 07 and Mayo were shite that day. Just my honest opinion, you'd have to have Harte on instead of Parsons for sheer athleticism and workrate if nothing else.Clarke,Caff and McGarrity are nailed on starters with Conroy challenging Caff and thats about it.
I'd be fairly happy with your line up.
I'd have Harte on any day. If not at MF, he'd do a fine job at CHF. He can be a wee bit headstrong at times but it's always easier to get a player to cool it down than to rev it up. We have too many lads already that are happy to play a supporting role any time the going gets hard.
Caff or Conroy? Caff is the man in possession right now but I'd leave that one up to Johnno; IMO, both did grand during the league. The entire back four, for that matter, kept the goals conceded down to very respectable levels. Whatever 2-4 combos he used, Johnno got better results here than anywhere else on the field.
Well if my feet werent firmly on the ground yday they are now. I went to Sligo v Leitrim junior match last night in Parc Sean and 4 of our seniors started who started against Antrim, the individual performances were very poor. Only for young David maye still 18 and only just overage for minor this yr we wouldnt of won. To my eyes this lad will be a superstar and should be pushing sweeney hard for a start in CSFC. We eventually won 0-20 to 3-8 AET. If our lads dont have the heads right for Mayo we could get a hiding. The heads werent right last with our Defenders who had no interest in defending. Hopefully the management saw what I saw as some of our worst performers did make our subs for all the league games and how that happened i do not know.
apart from possibly clarke if he can show his kickouts last sunday were a one off i dont thaink any of the other lads are 'nailed on' I caffferkey starts it bode very badly for mayo's chances this year while sunday was probably he best game for mayo so far the evidence is weighed far too heavily against him for him to bew considered anything other than the best of a bad lot. I know im not the only one praying Keane fulfills the promise that he is showing.
Mcgarrity is in with a fair show after Parsons weak showing but he didn't exactly Turn the game when he came on either .
I d consider Harte a bit of showpony quiet capable of getting spectacular catches and the odd goal as well as getting sent off but neither has the application or discipline to be considered as a starter
Quote from: mannix on April 30, 2010, 05:44:01 PM
SAFFRON,
I was at a few league games this year and he ran his markers into the ground and had several lads tried on him in a few games. While he did not score a lot he done the spadework for others to score and is a definite starter in my books. You may be jealous or something, but he is a good county player.
I know that the majority of people share your opinion mannix, but one does not have to be jealous to have a different opinion. I just simply said that I do not rate him as mush as the management team seems to. If I was jealous, it would be of Kerry, we have no one to touch Gooch, Declan O' Sullivan, Donaghy, Galvin and until we unearth this sort of quality we will never be at the races.
Mayo have got gradually worse under O' Mahoney IMO and I have yet to see a player who has improved from his coaching. I would love to be more positive and would love to be proved wrong on all fronts. You can slate me after the Sligo game if Moran runs riot.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 01, 2010, 02:00:44 PM
I went to Sligo v Leitrim junior match last night in Parc Sean and 4 of our seniors started who started against Antrim
What Are Sligo playing at using Current senior players in the Junior team?? we got to 3 All Ireland Junior Finals without the need of using Current senior players
Sligo should have plenty of other players to pick from & they should be trying more minors in this
For the mayo view on the sligo game re there team selection, theyve fallen back to the trenches on the local football and hurling thread pages 139, 140 and 141
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=13.2100
I dont think ive read so many different team selections after a league campaign in all my life.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 04, 2010, 03:31:18 PM
For the mayo view on the sligo game re there team selection, theyve fallen back to the trenches on the local football and hurling thread pages 139, 140 and 141
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=13.2100
I dont think ive read so many different team selections after a league campaign in all my life.
You're a holy terror Sligonian. :D
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 04, 2010, 03:31:18 PM
For the mayo view on the sligo game re there team selection, theyve fallen back to the trenches on the local football and hurling thread pages 139, 140 and 141
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=13.2100
I dont think ive read so many different team selections after a league campaign in all my life.
Didn't I tell you before, me oul' segotia, that Mayo fans never bother about any other team's players? We get far too much craic outa rubbishing our own to spare a thought for yours or any other side. ;D
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 04, 2010, 03:31:18 PM
For the mayo view on the sligo game re there team selection, theyve fallen back to the trenches on the local football and hurling thread pages 139, 140 and 141
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=13.2100
I dont think ive read so many different team selections after a league campaign in all my life.
You're not wrong there Sligonian, the boys have spent the past 18 months giving out that JOM hasn't got a settled team and after one defeat in a national final, half of them are starting Barry Moran (a man who has played about 5 games in 4 years), have SOS out a center forward (after complaining about his selfishness, lack of speed and being overweight) and have dropped one of their most consistent league performers in Enda Varley. They're gas men in fairness.
Ye ll find that many of these posters are trying to second guess what team Johnno is going to turn to now. In fairness his summer teams have had a fair few changes to his winter changes in the past. Ironically some of the poorer performers from the league final might be kept while one or two of the better ones from the league may be dispensed with.
I don't think they are Moysider, I must check again but I'm sure it was lads posting their own teams. Mayo shouldn't lose their heads here, you did very well in the league and most of the lads who started against Cork should start again. McGarrity and Varley would be two of the few lads who should start against Sligo.
I couldnt resist, was just thinking its very quiet on here for a mayo game, and low and behold I go into the local thread and thats where theyve been hiding :D,
I thought i had it all figured out after seeing them in action but i am totally confused now. Well played mayo posters, JOM would be proud.
Mayo have a huge panel to pick from! finding right balance & best 15 will be no easy task for JOM & IMO it's his last chance to impress
Quote from: ross4life on May 04, 2010, 07:13:00 PM
Mayo have a huge panel to pick from! finding right balance & best 15 will be no easy task for JOM & IMO it's his last chance to impress
Hes 3 yrs into it now, and just had a full league campaign, im extremely suprised at how he doesnt know his best 15 or have the balance right by now. Although I did leave Croke park myself thinking mayo back to the drawing board over and over again.
The way the mayo posters would have you thinking, he'll be playing fellas against us in certain positions hoping it will come off, rather than having it all sorted by now and knowing it will come off which further fuels that initial thought.
It looks like it be an interesting comparison with the league final team and CSFC team for them. But its no way to going into a summer imo.
I think it will be the most unpredictable match ever as I dont think anyone has a clue what to expect from mayo.
I know you don't like looking to the past but what is Sligos record v Mayo at home?
The league final disaster was the worst thing to happen from a Mayo view because we won nothing, again, but also a disaster for Sligo because Mayo are written off already in media circles. Division 3 is hardly division 1 and thats where the difference will become apparent to Sligo fans on the day. You really need to be playing that level consistently to be able for it and challenge games are not near that.
Anything other than a Mayo win is hard to see.
Welcome home Sligonian.
I wouldn't read to much into Divisions! as i said before it didn't stop Sligo winning the title in 2007
Tyrone & Kerry were poor in the league this year would you rule them out? & the last time Mayo lost a league final (Donegal 2007) Sligo won the Connacht title (bit of a omen? )
Quotehave SOS out a center forward (after complaining about his selfishness, lack of speed and being overweight) and have dropped one of their most consistent league performers in Enda Varley. They're gas men in fairness.
Who said that about SOS Zulu?? It's certainly not the consensus in the county as far as I'm aware. I think people said he was our best performer throughout the league - is emerging as a real leader, extremely hardworking etc.
As for Varley, he was excellent in the league up until he got injured. Then C Mort got his place and has grabbed it. He was one of our best performers in the league final, so it would be very hard to drop him. I don't see both Varley and Mort starting, so someone has to lose out.
I'm beginning to think the likes of yourself and Logan have preconceptions about Mayo supporters that you just stick to and keep trotting out - we all demand an All-Ireland regardless of the standard of players available, we're unrealistic and far too critical of the manager, and in general are far too excitable and know damn all about our players or manager - "gas men" indeed...
Why not start Varley AND Mortimer in the ff line? I still think it will be a very hard game for Mayo and if it's anything like the previous 2 games Mayo needed to win championship style (i.e. Cork and Meath) Sligo will win comfortably.
Quote from: Tubberman on May 04, 2010, 08:44:51 PM
Quotehave SOS out a center forward (after complaining about his selfishness, lack of speed and being overweight) and have dropped one of their most consistent league performers in Enda Varley. They're gas men in fairness.
Who said that about SOS Zulu?? It's certainly not the consensus in the county as far as I'm aware. I think people said he was our best performer throughout the league - is emerging as a real leader, extremely hardworking etc.
As for Varley, he was excellent in the league up until he got injured. Then C Mort got his place and has grabbed it. He was one of our best performers in the league final, so it would be very hard to drop him. I don't see both Varley and Mort starting, so someone has to lose out.
I'm beginning to think the likes of yourself and Logan have preconceptions about Mayo supporters that you just stick to and keep trotting out - we all demand an All-Ireland regardless of the standard of players available, we're unrealistic and far too critical of the manager, and in general are far too excitable and know damn all about our players or manager - "gas men" indeed...
Sorry I meant AOS, not his brother. I don't think I, or Logan for that matter, have preconceptions and I certainly don't mean to insult any of the Mayo lads posting, I just happen to disagree with many you when you are analysis JOM and Mayo's current panel. I've acknowledged that most of you accept an AI is an unrealistic ambition at the moment but I do disagree with your evaluation of some of your players. I've a strong interest in Mayo football and find the majority of the Mayo posters to be reasoned and sensible but if I'm repeating myself it is only because others keep making the same points also and I've yet to be convinced they are right.
I can understand that it may be frustrating and annoying at times to read some of the posts from non-Mayo men but anything I've read from non-Mayo posters has be reasonable in tone IMO. And like Farrandeelin I'd have no issues playing both Mort and Varley, nobody bats an eyelid if you have 3 right footed kickers in a FF line so I see no reason why 2 predominantly left legged kickers can't play in the 2 corners.
Mayo might be written off in media circles for All Ireland, but they wont be against Sligo or for Connacht. Farran seems to want Sligo to be favourites but we wont.
Ross4life leave the past where it belongs.
I cant see the Leagues having much of bearing to be honest, both teams will be sharper and more intense. Mayo are heading to portugal and Im sure Sligo have a intense training programme in the lead up. We played alot worse in last yrs league, in fact i flew home for the div4 final and left disillusioned, i thought it was muck, and look at 11 weeks later Sligo played alot better against galway. Whatever they did last yr in between worked, and we improved against tipp and again against kerry. The level of performance in the league was a upward curve aswell, so Id be suprised if we didnt better the antrim performance.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 04, 2010, 09:59:55 PM
Ross4life leave the past where it belongs.
Nonsense Sligonian the past is where great Traditions & great footballing pedigree begins! what if Sligo lose to mayo will that be pushed to the "past" straight away also?
Quote from: Zulu on May 04, 2010, 09:43:18 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on May 04, 2010, 08:44:51 PM
Quotehave SOS out a center forward (after complaining about his selfishness, lack of speed and being overweight) and have dropped one of their most consistent league performers in Enda Varley. They're gas men in fairness.
Who said that about SOS Zulu?? It's certainly not the consensus in the county as far as I'm aware. I think people said he was our best performer throughout the league - is emerging as a real leader, extremely hardworking etc.
As for Varley, he was excellent in the league up until he got injured. Then C Mort got his place and has grabbed it. He was one of our best performers in the league final, so it would be very hard to drop him. I don't see both Varley and Mort starting, so someone has to lose out.
I'm beginning to think the likes of yourself and Logan have preconceptions about Mayo supporters that you just stick to and keep trotting out - we all demand an All-Ireland regardless of the standard of players available, we're unrealistic and far too critical of the manager, and in general are far too excitable and know damn all about our players or manager - "gas men" indeed...
Sorry I meant AOS, not his brother. I don't think I, or Logan for that matter, have preconceptions and I certainly don't mean to insult any of the Mayo lads posting, I just happen to disagree with many you when you are analysis JOM and Mayo's current panel. I've acknowledged that most of you accept an AI is an unrealistic ambition at the moment but I do disagree with your evaluation of some of your players. I've a strong interest in Mayo football and find the majority of the Mayo posters to be reasoned and sensible but if I'm repeating myself it is only because others keep making the same points also and I've yet to be convinced they are right.
I can understand that it may be frustrating and annoying at times to read some of the posts from non-Mayo men but anything I've read from non-Mayo posters has be reasonable in tone IMO. And like Farrandeelin I'd have no issues playing both Mort and Varley, nobody bats an eyelid if you have 3 right footed kickers in a FF line so I see no reason why 2 predominantly left legged kickers can't play in the 2 corners.
Fair enough, I think we're nearly over-analysed at this stage to be honest! It just seems to be a never-ending cycle of the same type of discussion - probably because we keep having the same type of results each year :D
On AOS, he started the league very poorly, but in fairness to him he improved a lot towards the end of the league and seems to have shed some of the weight so there's no way I'd drop him.
Mort and Varley could both play in the FF line, I just meant that I don't think JOM will start them both.
Personally, I would like to see something like the following:
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Higgins
Vaughan/Howley Cunniffe/Vaughan McLoughlin
SOS McGarritty
Kilkoyne Parsons Dillon
C Mort AOS Varley
Clarke is a certainty.
Barrett really impressed over the last couple of games. His small stature is a bit of a worry, but he has earned his place and is more assured than Liam O'Malley. Cafferkey is the only real option we have at FB, with Conroy to come in for bigger, less mobile FFs.
If Cunniffe had started a few games during the league we'd be in a much better position - we'd at least know if he's a better option than Howley (he should be, but who knows after so long out injured). If Cunniffe's form hasn't returned, Vaughan is worth a shot there - he is strong, mobile and seems to be strong-minded and confident.
McLoughlin was excellent in the first game against Galway, and in the final against Cork, but didn't really impress in between. If he's in the form of the Galway & Cork games, I'd start him; if he's in the form of the other games, I'd start Gardiner or T Mort.
Midfield should be SOS and McGarritty - don't see any debate there.
It sounds like Kilkoyne is in good form after coming back from injury - if so, I'd start him in the half-forwards. He can be very effective with his direct running at speed. Parsons doesn't have the physical aspect or doggedness in his game for midfield at the moment. But I think he could do a good job at CHF if he show's a bit more awareness. That would also release Dillon to 12 where he always seems to perform better - and scores more from there as well.
FF line will only work against certain teams I think - and is very much dependent on a proper plan for all 3 to work to. Mort and Varley would have to make themselves available for knockdowns from high ball aimed into AOS. Obviously he'd have to be told to release the ball a lot quicker.
We're good enough to win Connacht (not the same as saying we'll win it Sligonian et al ;)), and with a decent draw in a q-final we should be good enough to at least compete for the 70 mins. Anything after that would be bonus territory.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 04, 2010, 09:17:10 PM
Why not start Varley AND Mortimer in the ff line? I still think it will be a very hard game for Mayo and if it's anything like the previous 2 games Mayo needed to win championship style (i.e. Cork and Meath) Sligo will win comfortably.
Why not indeed. The only thing is the Sligo corner men would probably love these smaller men to mark. Could suit Harrison and Donovan down to the ground that with McGuire muscling it out with O Sé. If available I d go with the twin towers, at least until the game gets stretched. Its time we started planning for a 70+ min game and not end up with no end game like we did in Connacht final and Meath last year. The impact from bench is as crucial as who bloody starts. There has always been too much simple talk in Mayo about 'starting 15 and who is dropped'. I d hold either Varley or Mort for later.
The introduction of subs in practically injury time V Cork would not fill anybody with confidence that these guys can manage a game or a bench. If they can t use subs when a team is calving and well behind how would they fare if a team was in front but beginning to idle. As a young fella said to me at the weekend, the worst thing about Mayo s capitulation in the league final was that you know that they will do the same again in the championship.
This has happened often enough in the past but there has been no improvement.
How we match up our defenders v Sligo will be interesting too. Higgins v Kelly is a no brainer. McGee needs a bit of thought though. Sticky more than pacey. I d like to see an attacking wing on Costello and get him tracking back as much as possible - though he looks in the shape of his life.
I see most of the lads are heading off to Portugal on Sunday. I hope they all enjoy their trip, have a bit of fun as well as training and get the Croke Park blues out of their systems.
I feel genuinely sorry for the whole blessed lot and that includes the boss man. I've no doubt that each and every one of them is as shell-shocked as I am at what happened in the league final. But the fact remains that they got to the final on merit, having started the season off as likely relegation prospects.
There are many positives to take out of the league campaign and I'm happy to accept that Johnno is at last working to a plan of some sort. I'm not quite sure what he is actually up to but whatever it is, it's better than nothing, which seems to have been the case until the league began.
There will undoubtedly be changes for the opening game in Sligo but there are too many variables involved for me to start second guessing O'Mahony. I just hope those changes are kept to a minimum.
Whatever went wrong in Croke Park won't be put right by wholesale chopping and changing.
Lar na parka
I always enjoy your posts, but, please tell me why you think jom is finally working to a plan,
It sure did not seem like it when howley was getting killed in Croke and left there and the 2 subs running on with a minute or two left did not say much about plans.
Lar, I'd nearly guess that BJP will start in some unsuitable position. :-\
QuoteI feel genuinely sorry for the whole blessed lot and that includes the boss man. I've no doubt that each and every one of them is as shell-shocked as I am at what happened in the league final.
With the greatest respect Lar that is a load of rubbish.
They turned up in Croke Park and showed the white feather. There was no fight, no guts, no heart, no gameplan. They blew it big time again and forever are being slapped on the back with the mantra that they are amateurs and that they tried their best. They didn't and it is not washing with Mayo supporters any more. Maybe a bit more of a Kerry mentality where fellas are nearly ostracised for losing a match rather than a near coronation as legends of the game once we win a match.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 05, 2010, 08:52:01 AM
Lar, I'd nearly guess that BJP will start in some unsuitable position. :-\
Heard he played well at the weekend. If there is a dark horse for 6 then he is it.
who were they playing and how did it go?
Quote from: ross4life on May 04, 2010, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 04, 2010, 09:59:55 PM
Ross4life leave the past where it belongs.
Nonsense Sligonian the past is where great Traditions & great footballing pedigree begins! what if Sligo lose to mayo will that be pushed to the "past" straight away also?
Ross4life, my philosophy in life is live in the now, if Sligo lose to mayo it may take a few days to get over and thatll be it. When Sligo won in 07, after about a week of savouring it, i moved on. I have absolutely no respect for tradition, its the greatest myth out there, to give more successful counties an mental edge going into games, a feeling of superiority, when on the day it doesnt matter, but it does get into the opponents heads. Its just the way i live my life, somethings are harder to let go but most things i push to the past pretty much straight away. Its a good pyschology for a county like Sligo as you dont bring the past with you into games. I do use the past to learn lessons and thats about it too stop myself repeating them as we are creatures of habit.
I sincerly hope the Ash cloud doesnt affect the mayo players travel arrangements ;)
Actually one of the strangest things about Div1 final was JOM didnt come out of his seat until about 20 mins gone, after 10 mins I think everyone knew ye were in trouble and I was looking for JOM to pacing the sideline but no sign of him. I just couldnt understand that.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 05, 2010, 01:46:31 PM
Quote from: ross4life on May 04, 2010, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 04, 2010, 09:59:55 PM
Ross4life leave the past where it belongs.
Nonsense Sligonian the past is where great Traditions & great footballing pedigree begins! what if Sligo lose to mayo will that be pushed to the "past" straight away also?
Ross4life, my philosophy in life is live in the now, if Sligo lose to mayo it may take a few days to get over and thatll be it. When Sligo won in 07, after about a week of savouring it, i moved on. I have absolutely no respect for tradition, its the greatest myth out there, to give more successful counties an mental edge going into games, a feeling of superiority, when on the day it doesnt matter, but it does get into the opponents heads. Its just the way i live my life, somethings are harder to let go but most things i push to the past pretty much straight away. Its a good pyschology for a county like Sligo as you dont bring the past with you into games. I do use the past to learn lessons and thats about it too stop myself repeating them as we are creatures of habit.
I sincerly hope the Ash cloud doesnt affect the mayo players travel arrangements ;)
Actually one of the strangest things about Div1 final was JOM didnt come out of his seat until about 20 mins gone, after 10 mins I think everyone knew ye were in trouble and I was looking for JOM to pacing the sideline but no sign of him. I just couldnt understand that.
:o :o :D :D I don't believe you could have actually written that with a straight face :D
What about the Tom Parsons saga you refused to let die?? I think you might be getting over it, but it took at least
3 YEARS. ;)
But in fairness, you're right about the whole 'tradition' thing. It does affect teams (those with a strong tradition, and those without) far more than it should in reality.
If a team can ignore the past and concentrate on themselves and what they can change, they've made a good start.
Sligonian, I admire the way you think about tradition, however, its easier said than done to break it. Kerry are afraid of nobody,neither are kilkenny. Tradition of winning gives them a headstart every time. Sligo have a losing tradition in connaught that dissapears once they draw anyone outside,even in Croker. Mayo have a winning tradition in Connaught and further that dissapears in finals. Tradition is another word for habit and a habit can they say, be broken, but it takes time and effort. Maybe Sligo and Mayo will start changing their approach to games they could be winning, how refreshing would that be.
Quote from: Tubberman on May 05, 2010, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 05, 2010, 01:46:31 PM
Quote from: ross4life on May 04, 2010, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 04, 2010, 09:59:55 PM
Ross4life leave the past where it belongs.
Nonsense Sligonian the past is where great Traditions & great footballing pedigree begins! what if Sligo lose to mayo will that be pushed to the "past" straight away also?
Ross4life, my philosophy in life is live in the now, if Sligo lose to mayo it may take a few days to get over and thatll be it. When Sligo won in 07, after about a week of savouring it, i moved on. I have absolutely no respect for tradition, its the greatest myth out there, to give more successful counties an mental edge going into games, a feeling of superiority, when on the day it doesnt matter, but it does get into the opponents heads. Its just the way i live my life, somethings are harder to let go but most things i push to the past pretty much straight away. Its a good pyschology for a county like Sligo as you dont bring the past with you into games. I do use the past to learn lessons and thats about it too stop myself repeating them as we are creatures of habit.
I sincerly hope the Ash cloud doesnt affect the mayo players travel arrangements ;)
Actually one of the strangest things about Div1 final was JOM didnt come out of his seat until about 20 mins gone, after 10 mins I think everyone knew ye were in trouble and I was looking for JOM to pacing the sideline but no sign of him. I just couldnt understand that.
:o :o :D :D I don't believe you could have actually written that with a straight face :D
What about the Tom Parsons saga you refused to let die?? I think you might be getting over it, but it took at least 3 YEARS. ;)
But in fairness, you're right about the whole 'tradition' thing. It does affect teams (those with a strong tradition, and those without) far more than it should in reality.
If a team can ignore the past and concentrate on themselves and what they can change, they've made a good start.
I kinda knew that would come up, the thing with parsons it was hard to let go, as it goes against my strongest beliefs, and the fact that it kept getting rubbed in my face, like 08 and 09 u21 final, as sligo and mayo kept crossing paths. I am over it but i know what your saying.
Quote from: mannix on May 05, 2010, 02:27:00 PM
Sligonian, I admire the way you think about tradition, however, its easier said than done to break it. Kerry are afraid of nobody,neither are kilkenny. Tradition of winning gives them a headstart every time. Sligo have a losing tradition in connaught that dissapears once they draw anyone outside,even in Croker. Mayo have a winning tradition in Connaught and further that dissapears in finals. Tradition is another word for habit and a habit can they say, be broken, but it takes time and effort. Maybe Sligo and Mayo will start changing their approach to games they could be winning, how refreshing would that be.
You know Sligo brought out a book on our 125 yr history, i criticised the idea heavily, and i didnt buy it. I said it stinks of unachievement and limiting beliefs. Why reinforce a losing mentality by promoting it. Also even reading a programme before a match for Sligo in Connacht is a no no for me. I dont care about div3 final now, not one iota, i want that feeling of winning Connacht again, i wanted it a week after 07.
The way I see habitual thinking, is to stay present, for me it breaks it everytime but unfortunetly our mind are strongly conditioned to think old thoughts so its hard to break free. Imagine if you had a collective unit of players that were aware of this and broke all the traditions of the past, by focusing the mind on now bringing no baggage into games. I know when im a coach i will try to instill this philosophy into my teams.
Arra, isn't this a great way to pass away a cat day?
It's bucketing rain here in Dublin 5 right now and if I can't go out, I might as well give out. Trouble is, since I removed John O'Mahony from the top of my hit list, I'm not having as much fun as I used to.
Good God! If he ever manages to win us an All Ireland, I'll be left like a dog without a lamppost! Right now, I can't see either happening- not in the short term anyway.
But I do see signs of him working to some sort of plan and he is making progress of a sort. On the basis that he couldn't possibly do any worse, I think he deserves all the support he can get.
The meltdown last Sunday week was unreal. I'd agree with mannix that there was no evidence of a plan that day. But, for all the difference any changes would have made, it would be like asking the band on the Titanic to play a more cheerful tune as the ship went down.
What happened that day had little to do with the form of either team. I had honestly expected Cork to win, based on what we had seen of both sides in the league but I still put a few Euro on Mayo. They didn't have the heft of the langers around the field but what they were lacking in size and general physicality, could be matched by mobility and work rate- or so I thought.
I had been to the game in Cork and I liked what I saw. Cork didn't throw that game. Counihan on the sideline was extremely agitated throughout the second half. He had made sweeping changes alright but everyone on show was fighting for a place for the championships, never mind the league final.
As was to happen in the final, our full backs were in flying form that day. I have never seen a smaller back line- or a more mobile or stickier one either. Even while our half forwards and Tom Parsons was out of it for long periods of the first half, the backs were taking a fierce pounding but holding up very well. O'Mahony certainly had a plan that day- at least in defence. Trevor Howley was finding the going rough but Vaughan and McLoughlin were keeping their heads, linking very well with the backline and generally making life hard for their markers. The amount of hassling, harrying and dispossessing was impressive and Clarkie had little to worry about.
I felt the entire set of forwards had been a bit iffy as had been the case throughout the league but there were plenty of scoring options and, as had been the case again throughout the league, and I had the feeling that this Mayo attack was always capable of working a goal or two.
Don't forget that all of the above happened in the final also!
Paddy O'Shea was under pressure more times than David Clarke and Clarkie and his cover let in only a single goal and that came very late on in the game.
So I do take plenty of positives out of the league. All the progress can't have floated off down the Moy after one lousy game.
I fully agree with moysider than Billy Joe could be a dark horse at number 6. If you can find an unsuitable position for him, Farrandeelin, it won't be between the nos. 2-15 and I would feel he'd give Clarkie a run for his money at no. 1.
He lost his amateur status as a Traveller long ago and he doesn't do the white feather thing wherever he goes.
Cunniffe? Peadar? Keith? Howley somewhere else?
Only God and John O'Mahony can say and I bet the first one isn't too sure of what the second one is going to do next. Whatever he may do, I hope he won't start chopping and changing again and those changes are kept to a minimum. He has the making of a first class defence but he certainly has a load on his hands elsewhere.
Seamie O'Se has to be considered a positive after the league run. He is the single most improved player I have seen for a long, long time. I'd say he and McGarrity will be the first choice midfield. They complement each other well and are as good as you will find in Connacht.
Tom Parsons is a fine footballer and his day will come but it's not here yet. I'm not on for deporting him back to where he belongs, just yet so paws off him, Sligonian; he ain't yours for the taking. From Clarke to O'Se, I've no problems in saying John O'Mahony is making progress; he's not there yet but he is doing grand.
The half forwards on show the last day are the funny factor I'm afraid. There's absolutely no point in kicking the poor devils when they are down for they are certainly as sick as any of us. It's the demons in their minds and not the langers on the pitch that tripped them up the last day. No amount of coaching or girleens with clipboards and diplomas in sports psychology will ever get any of them to turn up for a pressure game again.
They are welcome to their break in the sun. God knows they owe us nothing.
I don't know what O'Mahony can do here and here is where the main problem arises. Those three lads could hold their own against most sides in the land but never in Croke Park. It would be crazy to drop the lot of them and probably crazier to keep them together for much longer.
Aiden O'Se, Ronny and Conoreen are bankers for the opening game, I would imagine. Varley, Kilcoyne, Harte and probably Barry Moran also will figure in his plans. There's 10 in all mentioned here that are fine forwards in their own right but getting any 6 out of that number to perform well on a given day can be a problem.
I still think there's a fighting chance for next year and I've no problem saying that.
No disrespect to Sligo or to Pee Joyce and his supporting cast, but I'm confident O'Mahony has what it takes to get out of Connacht. Maybe by then he'll have some sort of a reliable attack cobbled together and he won't have messed about too much with the backs.
Cheer up, Barney; anything at all after that bleddy game will have to be progress of some sort. You can't go much lower. We'll just pretend that Sligo are wearing red jerseys and go out and knock f**ck out of 'em! ;D
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 05, 2010, 03:23:08 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on May 05, 2010, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 05, 2010, 01:46:31 PM
Quote from: ross4life on May 04, 2010, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 04, 2010, 09:59:55 PM
Ross4life leave the past where it belongs.
Nonsense Sligonian the past is where great Traditions & great footballing pedigree begins! what if Sligo lose to mayo will that be pushed to the "past" straight away also?
Ross4life, my philosophy in life is live in the now, if Sligo lose to mayo it may take a few days to get over and thatll be it. When Sligo won in 07, after about a week of savouring it, i moved on. I have absolutely no respect for tradition, its the greatest myth out there, to give more successful counties an mental edge going into games, a feeling of superiority, when on the day it doesnt matter, but it does get into the opponents heads. Its just the way i live my life, somethings are harder to let go but most things i push to the past pretty much straight away. Its a good pyschology for a county like Sligo as you dont bring the past with you into games. I do use the past to learn lessons and thats about it too stop myself repeating them as we are creatures of habit.
I sincerly hope the Ash cloud doesnt affect the mayo players travel arrangements ;)
Actually one of the strangest things about Div1 final was JOM didnt come out of his seat until about 20 mins gone, after 10 mins I think everyone knew ye were in trouble and I was looking for JOM to pacing the sideline but no sign of him. I just couldnt understand that.
:o :o :D :D I don't believe you could have actually written that with a straight face :D
What about the Tom Parsons saga you refused to let die?? I think you might be getting over it, but it took at least 3 YEARS. ;)
But in fairness, you're right about the whole 'tradition' thing. It does affect teams (those with a strong tradition, and those without) far more than it should in reality.
If a team can ignore the past and concentrate on themselves and what they can change, they've made a good start.
I kinda knew that would come up, the thing with parsons it was hard to let go, as it goes against my strongest beliefs, and the fact that it kept getting rubbed in my face, like 08 and 09 u21 final, as sligo and mayo kept crossing paths. I am over it but i know what your saying.
Quote from: mannix on May 05, 2010, 02:27:00 PM
Sligonian, I admire the way you think about tradition, however, its easier said than done to break it. Kerry are afraid of nobody,neither are kilkenny. Tradition of winning gives them a headstart every time. Sligo have a losing tradition in connaught that dissapears once they draw anyone outside,even in Croker. Mayo have a winning tradition in Connaught and further that dissapears in finals. Tradition is another word for habit and a habit can they say, be broken, but it takes time and effort. Maybe Sligo and Mayo will start changing their approach to games they could be winning, how refreshing would that be.
You know Sligo brought out a book on our 125 yr history, i criticised the idea heavily, and i didnt buy it. I said it stinks of unachievement and limiting beliefs. Why reinforce a losing mentality by promoting it. Also even reading a programme before a match for Sligo in Connacht is a no no for me. I dont care about div3 final now, not one iota, i want that feeling of winning Connacht again, i wanted it a week after 07.
The way I see habitual thinking, is to stay present, for me it breaks it everytime but unfortunetly our mind are strongly conditioned to think old thoughts so its hard to break free. Imagine if you had a collective unit of players that were aware of this and broke all the traditions of the past, by focusing the mind on now bringing no baggage into games. I know when im a coach i will try to instill this philosophy into my teams.
To be honest Sligonian you sound more like a priest than a Coach but one thing is for sure the future Isn't Written ;)
Quote from: ross4life on May 05, 2010, 06:29:02 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 05, 2010, 03:23:08 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on May 05, 2010, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 05, 2010, 01:46:31 PM
Quote from: ross4life on May 04, 2010, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 04, 2010, 09:59:55 PM
Ross4life leave the past where it belongs.
Nonsense Sligonian the past is where great Traditions & great footballing pedigree begins! what if Sligo lose to mayo will that be pushed to the "past" straight away also?
Ross4life, my philosophy in life is live in the now, if Sligo lose to mayo it may take a few days to get over and thatll be it. When Sligo won in 07, after about a week of savouring it, i moved on. I have absolutely no respect for tradition, its the greatest myth out there, to give more successful counties an mental edge going into games, a feeling of superiority, when on the day it doesnt matter, but it does get into the opponents heads. Its just the way i live my life, somethings are harder to let go but most things i push to the past pretty much straight away. Its a good pyschology for a county like Sligo as you dont bring the past with you into games. I do use the past to learn lessons and thats about it too stop myself repeating them as we are creatures of habit.
I sincerly hope the Ash cloud doesnt affect the mayo players travel arrangements ;)
Actually one of the strangest things about Div1 final was JOM didnt come out of his seat until about 20 mins gone, after 10 mins I think everyone knew ye were in trouble and I was looking for JOM to pacing the sideline but no sign of him. I just couldnt understand that.
:o :o :D :D I don't believe you could have actually written that with a straight face :D
What about the Tom Parsons saga you refused to let die?? I think you might be getting over it, but it took at least 3 YEARS. ;)
But in fairness, you're right about the whole 'tradition' thing. It does affect teams (those with a strong tradition, and those without) far more than it should in reality.
If a team can ignore the past and concentrate on themselves and what they can change, they've made a good start.
I kinda knew that would come up, the thing with parsons it was hard to let go, as it goes against my strongest beliefs, and the fact that it kept getting rubbed in my face, like 08 and 09 u21 final, as sligo and mayo kept crossing paths. I am over it but i know what your saying.
Quote from: mannix on May 05, 2010, 02:27:00 PM
Sligonian, I admire the way you think about tradition, however, its easier said than done to break it. Kerry are afraid of nobody,neither are kilkenny. Tradition of winning gives them a headstart every time. Sligo have a losing tradition in connaught that dissapears once they draw anyone outside,even in Croker. Mayo have a winning tradition in Connaught and further that dissapears in finals. Tradition is another word for habit and a habit can they say, be broken, but it takes time and effort. Maybe Sligo and Mayo will start changing their approach to games they could be winning, how refreshing would that be.
You know Sligo brought out a book on our 125 yr history, i criticised the idea heavily, and i didnt buy it. I said it stinks of unachievement and limiting beliefs. Why reinforce a losing mentality by promoting it. Also even reading a programme before a match for Sligo in Connacht is a no no for me. I dont care about div3 final now, not one iota, i want that feeling of winning Connacht again, i wanted it a week after 07.
The way I see habitual thinking, is to stay present, for me it breaks it everytime but unfortunetly our mind are strongly conditioned to think old thoughts so its hard to break free. Imagine if you had a collective unit of players that were aware of this and broke all the traditions of the past, by focusing the mind on now bringing no baggage into games. I know when im a coach i will try to instill this philosophy into my teams.
To be honest Sligonian you sound more like a priest than a Coach but one thing is for sure the future Isn't Written ;)
Its a bit of sport pyschology about breaking habits and the hold the past has over teams, is that what priests are preaching these days. ::)...
Trev Mort for 6. We all know he will start.
He can't play in forwards so why don't we put the player who is lauded for his "spoiling" tactics rather than his shooting/kick-passing ability somewhere where the spoiling tactics work!
GAA can be a simple game lads. Why are playing someone who ticks a lot of the boxes in defensive attributes column, yet hardly scores well on his offensive column in our forwards.... Thats the team down 2-4 pts already because we know he won't contribute much in that regard. Play Alan Dillon twelve... Thats his position - not 11.
Trev Howley should be benched for Sligo and made compete for no. 2/4 jersey. Chris Barrett will mark McGee and Higgins to pick up David Kelly ( 2 fastest players in Connacht?!) McLoughlin has to start primarily because he was the only player who showed any composure in Croker. He has a footballing brain. D Vaughan/ P Gardiner... I like Vaughan but i also think Gardiner has been very under-rared for Mayo in his career. He does a similar job to Davy Harte but without the recognition. I think Gardiner will start because of his experience.
I do like Tom Cunniffe. He was pace to burn and that has to be utilized. Don't know where exactly is the best position for him - maybe full back against the quicker full-forwards?
Clarke should be Mayo's captain by the way...JOM has a shocking record of picking captains in Mayo. Kev O'neill when not guaranteed starter, McGarrity (only back from serious illness and didn't need that) and Trev ( injury-prone and now not a guaranteed starter). Clarke is a good talker on the pitch, doesn't bullshit the press, guaranteed his place for years to come and has a great attitude. He has been very consistent for Mayo.
How fit will higgins be? Is he back in training yet or still in race to be back for it....he'd want to be on top of his game to minmise Kellys impact on the game. The South Sligoman is flying at the minute.
The match ups are exciting though, Costello v McLoughlin will be some battle down the flank of pitch. Am I glad mayo let him go, in great shape now and Sligo are reaping the benefits of his vision and creativeness. It is extra special seeing Sligo develop a mayoman into a quality intercounty player for our own benefit ;D.
I'd agree with foreverhopeful regarding Clarke as captain, primarily because there isn't many other lads on the team who would be candidates, hasn't been many players putting the shoulder to the wheel when times have got tough in the past. Higgins and Dillon maybe. Trev Mort and McGarrity did their best, a new voice is needed.
Trevor Mort at centre back? I dunno, he could do the spoiling job as you say but i wouldn't be so confident about his distribution other than the garryowen into the FF line.
Don't worry about Higgins sligonian, he'll be grand, the lad has elastic bands for ligaments considering he didn't rupture any in the incident v Monaghan. Any chance we could send Parsons back for a few weeks considering how good Sligo are a developing players if Costello is playing as well as you say he is?? :D
Have to say I think the Clarke thing for captain is a really good idea. Obviously JOM is not going to change now but it would have been a better option in the first place. Clarke leads by example unlike Mortimer and as someone else said seems to be well respected and is a good communicator. I genuinely hope he leaves Trevor on the bench because I think he would be a lot more effective from there...wishful thinking though!!
Fair play to you, Sligonian, you're playing an absolute blinder!
I sincerely mean this and the best compliment I can pay to you is to say you remind me of David Clarke. Like Davey, you won't let the b*st*rds wear you down. High shots, low shots and plenty under the belt shots and still you won't accept the inevitable and let them walk all over you.
If the Sligo team turns up for the gig with half the spirit you have, our laddybucks needn't bother coming out for the second half.
We'll have to wait and see............
If Sligo have managed to make another Mickey Kearns out of Alan Costello, we'd better pay attention to the coaching methods our neighbours have developed.
And if ye can do it with Alan, we'll try and steal yeer ideas and have a go at poor Tom and at least a half dozen more!
But the real biggie is if you can put your coaching ideas into practice and get both counties to let go of their past mental baggage, we will promise to lay down our arms and accept defeat.
Mannix did a mighty good job of summing up the problem here:
Sligonian, I admire the way you think about tradition, however, its easier said than done to break it. Kerry are afraid of nobody,neither are kilkenny. Tradition of winning gives them a headstart every time. Sligo have a losing tradition in connaught that dissapears once they draw anyone outside,even in Croker. Mayo have a winning tradition in Connaught and further that dissapears in finals. Tradition is another word for habit and a habit can they say, be broken, but it takes time and effort. Maybe Sligo and Mayo will start changing their approach to games they could be winning, how refreshing would that be.
Now, if you can handle that, you'll have all of Mayo and Sligo on your doorstep. ;D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 06, 2010, 11:43:25 AM
Fair play to you, Sligonian, you're playing an absolute blinder!
I sincerely mean this and the best compliment I can pay to you is to say you remind me of David Clarke. Like Davey, you won't let the b*st*rds wear you down. High shots, low shots and plenty under the belt shots and still you won't accept the inevitable and let them walk all over you.
If the Sligo team turns up for the gig with half the spirit you have, our laddybucks needn't bother coming out for the second half.
We'll have to wait and see............
If Sligo have managed to make another Mickey Kearns out of Alan Costello, we'd better pay attention to the coaching methods our neighbours have developed.
And if ye can do it with Alan, we'll try and steal yeer ideas and have a go at poor Tom and at least a half dozen more!
But the real biggie is if you can put your coaching ideas into practice and get both counties to let go of their past mental baggage, we will promise to lay down our arms and accept defeat.
Mannix did a mighty good job of summing up the problem here:
Sligonian, I admire the way you think about tradition, however, its easier said than done to break it. Kerry are afraid of nobody,neither are kilkenny. Tradition of winning gives them a headstart every time. Sligo have a losing tradition in connaught that dissapears once they draw anyone outside,even in Croker. Mayo have a winning tradition in Connaught and further that dissapears in finals. Tradition is another word for habit and a habit can they say, be broken, but it takes time and effort. Maybe Sligo and Mayo will start changing their approach to games they could be winning, how refreshing would that be.
Now, if you can handle that, you'll have all of Mayo and Sligo on your doorstep. ;D
Lets not get ahead of ourselves, he is not a Mickey Kearns so no need to send parsons back to us, must say ye seem to be developing him well though. :D
My main point about tradition is im from a club and county with no tradition and ive seen us lose with better teams because we pay too much respect to our opponents. I have a fair few ideas how to overcome that burden thats all.
I don't think its fair to say that Sligo has no tradition. Just some counties are bigger and as result more likely to win more. Kearns and O Hara would make a Connacht XV from my time. The 1975 team was a fine team but probably past its best when it won its Connacht. Galway and Roscommon were formidable teams back then too.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 05, 2010, 10:56:09 PM
I do like Tom Cunniffe. He was pace to burn and that has to be utilized. Don't know where exactly is the best position for him
His best and most suitable position is probably on the start line in a running track.
Say 100M or 200M event? ;)
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 05, 2010, 10:56:09 PM
maybe full back against the quicker full-forwards?
Oh Sweet J****! :o
Quote from: moysider on May 06, 2010, 01:47:34 PM
I don't think its fair to say that Sligo has no tradition. Just some counties are bigger and as result more likely to win more. Kearns and O Hara would make a Connacht XV from my time. The 1975 team was a fine team but probably past its best when it won its Connacht. Galway and Roscommon were formidable teams back then too.
Would you include Paul Taylor as well, moysider?
I thought it was a terrible pity that he wasn't around in '07 to win a Connacht medal. Ray Tully might have been a bit before your time but he played on the Railway Cup side for years and he was still playing when Mickey Kearns cam along.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 06, 2010, 03:24:54 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 06, 2010, 01:47:34 PM
I don't think its fair to say that Sligo has no tradition. Just some counties are bigger and as result more likely to win more. Kearns and O Hara would make a Connacht XV from my time. The 1975 team was a fine team but probably past its best when it won its Connacht. Galway and Roscommon were formidable teams back then too.
Would you include Paul Taylor as well, moysider?
I thought it was a terrible pity that he wasn't around in '07 to win a Connacht medal. Ray Tully might have been a bit before your time but he played on the Railway Cup side for years and he was still playing when Mickey Kearns cam along.
Did his sons play with Jarlath's in the 1980s?
Quotemaybe full back against the quicker full-forwards?
Oh Sweet J****!
Not our first choice but against maybe bernard brogan, stephen o'neill? Did alright on sean cavanagh in 08...
Who would you suggest you muppet?
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 06, 2010, 04:22:41 PM
Quotemaybe full back against the quicker full-forwards?
Oh Sweet J****!
Not our first choice but against maybe bernard brogan, stephen o'neill? Did alright on sean cavanagh in 08...
Who would you suggest you muppet?
??
Full back?
Eh I'm not ...er....fit at the moment but thanks for thinking of me.
* Muppet collapses *
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 06, 2010, 03:24:54 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 06, 2010, 01:47:34 PM
I don't think its fair to say that Sligo has no tradition. Just some counties are bigger and as result more likely to win more. Kearns and O Hara would make a Connacht XV from my time. The 1975 team was a fine team but probably past its best when it won its Connacht. Galway and Roscommon were formidable teams back then too.
Would you include Paul Taylor as well, moysider?
I thought it was a terrible pity that he wasn't around in '07 to win a Connacht medal. Ray Tully might have been a bit before your time but he played on the Railway Cup side for years and he was still playing when Mickey Kearns cam along.
Taylor would have to be considered anyway. I remember the end of Kearns so Ray would be beyond me.
sure give it a go muppet!
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 06, 2010, 03:24:54 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 06, 2010, 01:47:34 PM
I don't think its fair to say that Sligo has no tradition. Just some counties are bigger and as result more likely to win more. Kearns and O Hara would make a Connacht XV from my time. The 1975 team was a fine team but probably past its best when it won its Connacht. Galway and Roscommon were formidable teams back then too.
Would you include Paul Taylor as well, moysider?
I thought it was a terrible pity that he wasn't around in '07 to win a Connacht medal. Ray Tully might have been a bit before your time but he played on the Railway Cup side for years and he was still playing when Mickey Kearns cam along.
PT was waterboy if that counts for anything on the day. Dessie Sloyan was class act aswell.
Sligo has still underachieved with the teams and footballers weve produced over the yrs imo. I wont go into but im not proud of our past, i think its a disgrace and embarrasment our history.
Yep i remember Taylor on the Sidelines that Day Fantastic player he was in his prime, am i right in saying that was Sligo first ever Championship win v Galway?
Quote from: ross4life on May 06, 2010, 05:54:17 PM
Yep i remember Taylor on the Sidelines that Day Fantastic player he was in his prime, am i right in saying that was Sligo first ever Championship win v Galway?
No >:(
Well was looking through old programs forgiven me if i was wrong Sligonian
When was the last time?
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 06, 2010, 05:45:42 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 06, 2010, 03:24:54 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 06, 2010, 01:47:34 PM
I don't think its fair to say that Sligo has no tradition. Just some counties are bigger and as result more likely to win more. Kearns and O Hara would make a Connacht XV from my time. The 1975 team was a fine team but probably past its best when it won its Connacht. Galway and Roscommon were formidable teams back then too.
Would you include Paul Taylor as well, moysider?
I thought it was a terrible pity that he wasn't around in '07 to win a Connacht medal. Ray Tully might have been a bit before your time but he played on the Railway Cup side for years and he was still playing when Mickey Kearns cam along.
PT was waterboy if that counts for anything on the day. Dessie Sloyan was class act aswell.
Sligo has still underachieved with the teams and footballers weve produced over the yrs imo. I wont go into but im not proud of our past, i think its a disgrace and embarrasment our history.
Harsh I would think but that s neither here nor there. The point I was making is that Sligo do have a tradition in football. Most counties have more of a tradition of losing than winning. There are only a few Kerry, Kilkenny and Cork about. The rest have lost far more than they ve won.
Going by another tradition (omens) it doesn't bode well for Mayo at all! :-\ My uncle is coming home from England that weekend and any time he arrives home and Mayo/Knockmore are playing in a big championship game it all goes pear-shaped. I won't go into all the details but let's safely say he hasn't ever left a game too happy. I thought the fact that he didn't attend the Dublin game this year that we were going to win it...and we all know we lost by a point!
It's written in the bloody stars now for ye Sligonian.
Quote from: ross4life on May 06, 2010, 06:02:22 PM
Well was looking through old programs forgiven me if i was wrong Sligonian
When was the last time?
The 70s, why are so obsessed with looking back? The Sligo 125 yr history is on sale in all good book stores ;)
Quote from: moysider on May 06, 2010, 06:16:07 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 06, 2010, 05:45:42 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 06, 2010, 03:24:54 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 06, 2010, 01:47:34 PM
I don't think its fair to say that Sligo has no tradition. Just some counties are bigger and as result more likely to win more. Kearns and O Hara would make a Connacht XV from my time. The 1975 team was a fine team but probably past its best when it won its Connacht. Galway and Roscommon were formidable teams back then too.
Would you include Paul Taylor as well, moysider?
I thought it was a terrible pity that he wasn't around in '07 to win a Connacht medal. Ray Tully might have been a bit before your time but he played on the Railway Cup side for years and he was still playing when Mickey Kearns cam along.
PT was waterboy if that counts for anything on the day. Dessie Sloyan was class act aswell.
Sligo has still underachieved with the teams and footballers weve produced over the yrs imo. I wont go into but im not proud of our past, i think its a disgrace and embarrasment our history.
Harsh I would think but that s neither here nor there. The point I was making is that Sligo do have a tradition in football. Most counties have more of a tradition of losing than winning. There are only a few Kerry, Kilkenny and Cork about. The rest have lost far more than they ve won.
Well i see tradition as winning trophies concectively and we aint got it yet.
Quote from: muppet on May 06, 2010, 04:21:44 PM
Did his sons play with Jarlath's in the 1980s?
I don't know for certain but I do know he had several sons and, going on what one of the Sligo lads PMed me some time ago, I'd say they would be the right age to have been in secondary school in the 80s.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 07, 2010, 12:50:40 AM
Quote from: muppet on May 06, 2010, 04:21:44 PM
Did his sons play with Jarlath's in the 1980s?
I don't know for certain but I do know he had several sons and, going on what one of the Sligo lads PMed me some time ago, I'd say they would be the right age to have been in secondary school in the 80s.
Ray jnr, Shane, Fergal and Neal Tully all played for Jarlaths in the 80's and early 90's. Shane was a Sligo minor in '84 and '85... think he was on the Jarlath's panel that won Connacht in '83 (with Mark Butler, Alan Rowe and was P Brogan still there that year - think so) and on the team I think that won an AI in '84 - was Centre Back on the team beaten by Summerhill of Sligo in '85 Connacht final. Neal played in an AI final for Jarlaths about 10 years later.
Quote from: paddypastit on May 07, 2010, 02:32:26 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 07, 2010, 12:50:40 AM
Quote from: muppet on May 06, 2010, 04:21:44 PM
Did his sons play with Jarlath's in the 1980s?
I don't know for certain but I do know he had several sons and, going on what one of the Sligo lads PMed me some time ago, I'd say they would be the right age to have been in secondary school in the 80s.
Ray jnr, Shane, Fergal and Neal Tully all played for Jarlaths in the 80's and early 90's. Shane was a Sligo minor in '84 and '85... think he was on the Jarlath's panel that won Connacht in '83 (with Mark Butler, Alan Rowe and was P Brogan still there that year - think so) and on the team I think that won an AI in '84 - was Centre Back on the team beaten by Summerhill of Sligo in '85 Connacht final. Neal played in an AI final for Jarlaths about 10 years later.
Shane later transferred to Ballina, lining out at Midfield alongside David Brady in the 1996 County final in place of Liam McHale who had been sent off the in the All Ireland final replay the previous Sunday.
Quote from: stephenite on May 07, 2010, 03:13:01 AM
Quote from: paddypastit on May 07, 2010, 02:32:26 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 07, 2010, 12:50:40 AM
Quote from: muppet on May 06, 2010, 04:21:44 PM
Did his sons play with Jarlath's in the 1980s?
I don't know for certain but I do know he had several sons and, going on what one of the Sligo lads PMed me some time ago, I'd say they would be the right age to have been in secondary school in the 80s.
Ray jnr, Shane, Fergal and Neal Tully all played for Jarlaths in the 80's and early 90's. Shane was a Sligo minor in '84 and '85... think he was on the Jarlath's panel that won Connacht in '83 (with Mark Butler, Alan Rowe and was P Brogan still there that year - think so) and on the team I think that won an AI in '84 - was Centre Back on the team beaten by Summerhill of Sligo in '85 Connacht final. Neal played in an AI final for Jarlaths about 10 years later.
Shane later transferred to Ballina, lining out at Midfield alongside David Brady in the 1996 County final in place of Liam McHale who had been sent off the in the All Ireland final replay the previous Sunday.
Jaysus, they were 2 seriously bad weekends....the auld fella and uncle took the county final loss worse than the AI..
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Higgins
Vaughan Padden McLoughlin
S O'Se McGarrity
Dillon Harte Kilcoyne
C Mortimer A O'Se Varley
I'm here at work again today trying to be putting a team together (isn't it little I have to be doing) and here is what I think today. Gardiner would be favourite to play wing back but which of them two would ya drop? I know well that Trevor Mort won't be dropped but wouldn't that team there cause serious damage. I was wondering has BJP played CHB for Mayo before, anyone know?
I remember playing against him when he played in that position for the Tech years ago and he must have scored 1-6 from there that day (mind you I took 2 points off him :) )
Anyway isn't it great we have another month to be speculating lineups!
Can someone keep us overseas cratures updated with the challenge match with Donegal on Friday evening.
Quote from: Bod Mor on May 07, 2010, 05:54:52 AM
I was wondering has BJP played CHB for Mayo before, anyone know?
He played there during JOMs first year back for most of the league I think. The experiment came to an abrupt end in Salthill that year.
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=128242
Higgins hits out at postponed trip
07 May 2010
Keith Higgins has expressed his disgust at the GAA's ban on Mayo footballers' proposed training trip to Portugal.
John O'Mahony's squad were forced to cancel their planned six-day training camp in Vilamoura after it emerged that it would have been in breach of GAA regulations.
The GAA wrote to all counties last Friday morning reminding them of their obligations in relation to rules that cover such training breaks. Mayo contacted Croke Park earlier this week and on foot of that conversation, they decided to pull the plug on the trip just days before the team was due to depart.
"We only heard the news yesterday and we are very disappointed to put it mildly," Mayo dual star Higgins said in the Irish Examiner.
"Lots of other counties have been abroad on training trips this year, so there doesn't appear to be an equal playing field.
"I've been away on such training trips two or three times before and I've found them very beneficial. When you're away like that, you can go into things in much finer detail and hold regular meetings and have discussions between the team management and players.
"Obviously, you're together all the time, unlike the situation at home where you're only meeting a few times a week."
Anyone care to comment?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 07, 2010, 10:23:16 AM
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=128242
Higgins hits out at postponed trip
07 May 2010
Keith Higgins has expressed his disgust at the GAA's ban on Mayo footballers' proposed training trip to Portugal.
John O'Mahony's squad were forced to cancel their planned six-day training camp in Vilamoura after it emerged that it would have been in breach of GAA regulations.
The GAA wrote to all counties last Friday morning reminding them of their obligations in relation to rules that cover such training breaks. Mayo contacted Croke Park earlier this week and on foot of that conversation, they decided to pull the plug on the trip just days before the team was due to depart.
"We only heard the news yesterday and we are very disappointed to put it mildly," Mayo dual star Higgins said in the Irish Examiner.
"Lots of other counties have been abroad on training trips this year, so there doesn't appear to be an equal playing field.
"I've been away on such training trips two or three times before and I've found them very beneficial. When you're away like that, you can go into things in much finer detail and hold regular meetings and have discussions between the team management and players.
"Obviously, you're together all the time, unlike the situation at home where you're only meeting a few times a week."
Anyone care to comment?
Ya i got the HQ to cancel the trip, rules are rules.. :P
Quote from: paddypastit on May 07, 2010, 02:32:26 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 07, 2010, 12:50:40 AM
Quote from: muppet on May 06, 2010, 04:21:44 PM
Did his sons play with Jarlath's in the 1980s?
I don't know for certain but I do know he had several sons and, going on what one of the Sligo lads PMed me some time ago, I'd say they would be the right age to have been in secondary school in the 80s.
Ray jnr, Shane, Fergal and Neal Tully all played for Jarlaths in the 80's and early 90's. Shane was a Sligo minor in '84 and '85... think he was on the Jarlath's panel that won Connacht in '83 (with Mark Butler, Alan Rowe and was P Brogan still there that year - think so) and on the team I think that won an AI in '84 - was Centre Back on the team beaten by Summerhill of Sligo in '85 Connacht final. Neal played in an AI final for Jarlaths about 10 years later.
Shane was in Jarlaths in the early 80's, he was probably a first year in 1980 so would have played senior maybe 83 through 85. He was a big strong lad and a very good footballer.... for a Sligo man ;) Jarlaths have a page up on Facebook with some great photos of the old teams many of which were posted by Liam Brennan another Ballina man.
Quote from: ballinaman on May 07, 2010, 03:19:56 AM
Quote from: stephenite on May 07, 2010, 03:13:01 AM
Quote from: paddypastit on May 07, 2010, 02:32:26 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 07, 2010, 12:50:40 AM
Quote from: muppet on May 06, 2010, 04:21:44 PM
Did his sons play with Jarlath's in the 1980s?
I don't know for certain but I do know he had several sons and, going on what one of the Sligo lads PMed me some time ago, I'd say they would be the right age to have been in secondary school in the 80s.
Ray jnr, Shane, Fergal and Neal Tully all played for Jarlaths in the 80's and early 90's. Shane was a Sligo minor in '84 and '85... think he was on the Jarlath's panel that won Connacht in '83 (with Mark Butler, Alan Rowe and was P Brogan still there that year - think so) and on the team I think that won an AI in '84 - was Centre Back on the team beaten by Summerhill of Sligo in '85 Connacht final. Neal played in an AI final for Jarlaths about 10 years later.
Shane later transferred to Ballina, lining out at Midfield alongside David Brady in the 1996 County final in place of Liam McHale who had been sent off the in the All Ireland final replay the previous Sunday.
Jaysus, they were 2 seriously bad weekends....the auld fella and uncle took the county final loss worse than the AI..
Meanwhile out the road, that county final gave a great boost to the area. ;D
http://www.hoganstand.com/Mayo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=128162
Mayo offered training camp on home soil
05 May 2010
Mayo¹s plans for a training camp in Portugal may have been scrapped yesterday, but John O¹Mahony and his men have been offered the opportunity to complete their championship preparations on home soil.
A team-bonding company based in Westport, Gametec Sports Ireland, has stepped into the breach and they¹re hoping that the Green and Red will take them up on their offer.
"We have wonderful facilities here in The Westport Woods Hotel and thanks to our link with Gaemtec Sports we can offer GAA teams everything they need to give them the edge when it comes to performance on the pitch," the hotel¹s owner, Michael Lennon stated yesterday.
"We know that John and the boys were hoping to make the trip to Portugal, but I can assure him that Gametec and The Westport Woods will have the Green and Red in flying form when the game with Sligo comes around," he added.
Gametec director, Philip Kelly is also hoping that O¹Mahony and his men make the decision to prepare for the championship in the shadow of Croagh Patrick.
"We know that we can offer Mayo everything that they¹d have got in Portugal and much more besides. We¹d be delighted if Mayo used Gametec Sports, they wouldn¹t regret it," he added.
The Westport Woods is part of the McEniff Hotel Group, which is owned by Lennon¹s father-in-law, former Donegal All-Ireland winning manager, Brian McEniff.
Michael Gallagher
087-9394255
Quote"We know that we can offer Mayo everything that they¹d have got in Portugal and much more besides
What if it's raining in Westport and sunny in Portugal?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 08, 2010, 12:05:00 AM
Quote"We know that we can offer Mayo everything that they¹d have got in Portugal and much more besides
What if it's raining in Westport and sunny in Portugal?
No if about it farr!
Keith Duggan has his mind made up about the Sligo-Mayo game anyways
Saturday - May 8 - 2010, Irish Times
"It turned out that the opening match of the All-Ireland championship could have caused one of the biggest shocks of all time, with the exiles pushing Galway until the very closing minutes of the match. But that fixture has always been about honouring the expatriates. In terms of the publicity here, it is practically an invisible fixture. Galway now have a staggering two months to wait until their Connacht semi-final against Sligo. Such a huge delay is another criticism levelled at the GAA about the championship. There are just five matches in the Connacht football championship and yet it runs from early May until mid July. Why can't the provincial competitions be run off more neatly? And why can't the All-Ireland championship open with a classic? Why can't the GAA open their summer with a box office match?"
Quote from: ballinaman on May 08, 2010, 02:56:02 AM
Keith Duggan has his mind made up about the Sligo-Mayo game anyways
Saturday - May 8 - 2010, Irish Times
"It turned out that the opening match of the All-Ireland championship could have caused one of the biggest shocks of all time, with the exiles pushing Galway until the very closing minutes of the match. But that fixture has always been about honouring the expatriates. In terms of the publicity here, it is practically an invisible fixture. Galway now have a staggering two months to wait until their Connacht semi-final against Sligo. Such a huge delay is another criticism levelled at the GAA about the championship. There are just five matches in the Connacht football championship and yet it runs from early May until mid July. Why can't the provincial competitions be run off more neatly? And why can't the All-Ireland championship open with a classic? Why can't the GAA open their summer with a box office match?"
And why doesn't a GAA journalist like Keith Duggan know how many matches there actually are in the Connacht Championship?
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on May 08, 2010, 09:46:23 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on May 08, 2010, 02:56:02 AM
Keith Duggan has his mind made up about the Sligo-Mayo game anyways
Saturday - May 8 - 2010, Irish Times
"It turned out that the opening match of the All-Ireland championship could have caused one of the biggest shocks of all time, with the exiles pushing Galway until the very closing minutes of the match. But that fixture has always been about honouring the expatriates. In terms of the publicity here, it is practically an invisible fixture. Galway now have a staggering two months to wait until their Connacht semi-final against Sligo. Such a huge delay is another criticism levelled at the GAA about the championship. There are just five matches in the Connacht football championship and yet it runs from early May until mid July. Why can't the provincial competitions be run off more neatly? And why can't the All-Ireland championship open with a classic? Why can't the GAA open their summer with a box office match?"
And why doesn't a GAA journalist like Keith Duggan know how many matches there actually are in the Connacht Championship?
Poor journalism, why is it these lads whos job it is still havent a clue. On the final day of NFL some clown had the Div3 permutations down wrong, saying it was head to head rather than score difference in one of the sunday papers. A few weeks back on HS it had Galway to play mayo the opposite of the above. And Keith Duggan wrote the house of pain so how could he forget about mayo is beyond me.
Yeah he made a mistake with the 5 matches thing but his overall point is very valid. The way the fixtures are organised is so stupid and needs a serious revamp. Generally speaking,I think Duggan is a pretty good journalist.
From Hoganstand
SF challenge: Moran inspires Mayo comeback
08 May 2010
Barry Moran bagged 1-4 from play as Mayo got the better of Donegal in a hard-fought senior football challenge at Glenfin last night.
Mayo 1-12
Donegal 1-10
John O'Mahony's side, whose proposed training week in Portugal was nipped in the bud by the GAA this week, came from six points in arrears early in the second half to claim victory. O'Mahony will be pleased with the impact made by a number of his fringe players, while Billy Joe Padden also made an appearance after missing the entire NFL campaign.
Fielding a strong line-up, Donegal were the better side in the first half and looked set for the win when Colm McFadden's goal just after half-time made it 1-7 to 0-4. But Mayo refused to roll over with corner forward Moran's 47th minute goal proving the turning point. Conor Mortimer also came off the bench to score two points late on.
Scorers - Mayo: Barry Moran 1-4, Conor Mortimer 0-2 (1f), Alan Freeman 0-2, Aidan Kilcoyne, Billy Joe Padden, Chris Barrett, N Douglas 0-1 each. Donegal: Colm McFadden 1-3 (2f), Michael Murphy 0-3 (1f), Christy Toye 0-3, Rory Kavanagh 0-1.
Mayo: K O'Malley; L O'Malley, G Cafferkey, T Howley; C Barrett, D Vaughan, S Nally; R McGarrity, P Harte; A Moran, BJ Padden, M Ronaldson; A Kilcoyne, A Freeman, B Moran. Subs: C Mortimer, N Douglas, P Gardiner, K McLaughlin, K Conroy, A Dillon.
Donegal: P Durcan; F McGlynn, N McGee, K Lacey; B Dunnion, B Monaghan, C Greene; K Cassidy, R Kavanagh, F McNulty, C Toye, M McElhinney; D Walsh, M Murphy, C Dunne. Subs: C McFadden, E McGee, J Keaney, S Griffin.
Referee: F Flynn (Leitim).
Barry Moran's form is encouraging (I'm told he played very well for Mitchels last week as well). It's two or three years since he's done anything to make me believe he's an inter county player, but maybe if he can put his injuries behind him he can challenge for the 14 jersey - although that line up suggests he played corner forward.
Interesting that Vaughan is being tried at 6 with Howley in the corner. A combination that should have been tried out at some stage in the league to be honest.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on May 08, 2010, 04:21:14 PM
Barry Moran's form is encouraging (I'm told he played very well for Mitchels last week as well). It's two or three years since he's done anything to make me believe he's an inter county player, but maybe if he can put his injuries behind him he can challenge for the 14 jersey - although that line up suggests he played corner forward.
Interesting that Vaughan is being tried at 6 with Howley in the corner. A combination that should have been tried out at some stage in the league to be honest.
Imagine being a corner back and seeing Barry walking towards you at the start of a match.
for those that won't be going? it's live on RTE 5pm June 5, Connacht final is live on tv3 this year, is this the first time it's not on RTE?
Quote from: ross4life on May 08, 2010, 06:44:33 PM
for those that won't be going? it's live on RTE 5pm June 5, Connacht final is live on tv3 this year, is this the first time it's not on RTE?
tv3 covered it last year as well
5pm is a stupid time for a lot of Mayo & Sligo people who have cows to milk.
Quote from: small white mayoman on May 08, 2010, 09:22:17 PM
Quote from: ross4life on May 08, 2010, 06:44:33 PM
for those that won't be going? it's live on RTE 5pm June 5, Connacht final is live on tv3 this year, is this the first time it's not on RTE?
tv3 covered it last year as well
it's the 80s since i saw the Connacht final on TV as i always go to it, what is tv3 coverage like?
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 08, 2010, 02:48:22 PM
From Hoganstand
SF challenge: Moran inspires Mayo comeback
08 May 2010
Barry Moran bagged 1-4 from play as Mayo got the better of Donegal in a hard-fought senior football challenge at Glenfin last night.
Mayo 1-12
Donegal 1-10
John O'Mahony's side, whose proposed training week in Portugal was nipped in the bud by the GAA this week, came from six points in arrears early in the second half to claim victory. O'Mahony will be pleased with the impact made by a number of his fringe players, while Billy Joe Padden also made an appearance after missing the entire NFL campaign.
Fielding a strong line-up, Donegal were the better side in the first half and looked set for the win when Colm McFadden's goal just after half-time made it 1-7 to 0-4. But Mayo refused to roll over with corner forward Moran's 47th minute goal proving the turning point. Conor Mortimer also came off the bench to score two points late on.
Scorers - Mayo: Barry Moran 1-4, Conor Mortimer 0-2 (1f), Alan Freeman 0-2, Aidan Kilcoyne, Billy Joe Padden, Chris Barrett, N Douglas 0-1 each. Donegal: Colm McFadden 1-3 (2f), Michael Murphy 0-3 (1f), Christy Toye 0-3, Rory Kavanagh 0-1.
Mayo: K O'Malley; L O'Malley, G Cafferkey, T Howley; C Barrett, D Vaughan, S Nally; R McGarrity, P Harte; A Moran, BJ Padden, M Ronaldson; A Kilcoyne, A Freeman, B Moran. Subs: C Mortimer, N Douglas, P Gardiner, K McLaughlin, K Conroy, A Dillon.
Donegal: P Durcan; F McGlynn, N McGee, K Lacey; B Dunnion, B Monaghan, C Greene; K Cassidy, R Kavanagh, F McNulty, C Toye, M McElhinney; D Walsh, M Murphy, C Dunne. Subs: C McFadden, E McGee, J Keaney, S Griffin.
Referee: F Flynn (Leitim).
I kinda like that selection. It would be interesting to know how Shane Nally fared out. The same goes for Ronan and Pat; like Mutt and Jeff, they could complement each other well. With BJP and Barry Moran available once more, things could get interesting in the forward set up.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 08, 2010, 09:32:19 PM
5pm is a stupid time for a lot of Mayo & Sligo people who have cows to milk.
i think thats the final thats on at 5 mayo sligo i believe is on at 7pm?
Quote from: rosnarun on May 09, 2010, 06:41:18 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 08, 2010, 09:32:19 PM
5pm is a stupid time for a lot of Mayo & Sligo people who have cows to milk.
i think thats the final thats on at 5 mayo sligo i believe is on at 7pm?
Hopefullly mayo will turn up at 7pm... :D
Meath 0-20 Galway 1-11 in a challenge at the weekend. FYI.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 10, 2010, 01:41:18 PM
Meath 0-20 Galway 1-11 in a challenge at the weekend. FYI.
What sort of a Galway team? Half jet lagged and jarred from New York maybe?
challenge games are not a reliable gauge of much, can you see b moran knocking in 1. 04 in the real game?
Quote from: ballinaman on May 10, 2010, 02:00:18 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 10, 2010, 01:41:18 PM
Meath 0-20 Galway 1-11 in a challenge at the weekend. FYI.
What sort of a Galway team? Half jet lagged and jarred from New York maybe?
No idea of the team but I'd say they were in little mood for football anyway. It took them days and a marathon trek to get back from NY.
Quote from: mannix on May 10, 2010, 02:11:34 PM
challenge games are not a reliable gauge of much, can you see b moran knocking in 1. 04 in the real game?
Not beyond the bounds of possibility, I would imagine.
Heard Leitrim beat Sligo in a challenge at the weekend too. I believe Sligo travel to Meath this weekend. Important games for trying things even if the results dont mean much.
great to see barry moran get 1-4 from play.... It was against Donegal so whoever was on him can't have that bad... I reckon he will be a big player for Mayo this Summer at 14. Aidan O'Shea to 11. We need to get some height into that forward line. Cork's forwards were all 6-2 or 6-3 bar Kerrigan.
Billy Joe is an interesting player. He is an outstanding club player but never received the plaudits at IC level. I think he has been moved around too much. If left at one position (maybe 11, maybe 6) for a prolonged period then he could be an important player for us. When i was thinking of center backs for Mayo i kept thinking of a McGeeney-type player.. He seemed to direct everything from 6. His passes were always well directed. Billy Joe would be similar in this regard and it would mean that the likes of Andy Moran wouldn't have to be coming back so deep to act as playmakers.
Also interesting that Andy hasn't been mentioned for half back. I know we are top heavy there at the moment but he did recieve an all-star nomination for that position last year. He seems to be a player for facing the goal rather than with his back to it. Worth having a look at Andy at 7 with Kevin Mcloughlin at 10 in challenges... If Andy plays 10 against Sligo he will be inviting Johnny Davey forward ( not a good idea). Whereas at 7 he will be going forward making Alan Costello defend (which he isn't too good at)...
Just give me the job and i'll deliver Sam!!
Quote from: moysider on May 10, 2010, 03:21:54 PM
Quote from: mannix on May 10, 2010, 02:11:34 PM
challenge games are not a reliable gauge of much, can you see b moran knocking in 1. 04 in the real game?
Not beyond the bounds of possibility, I would imagine.
Heard Leitrim beat Sligo in a challenge at the weekend too. I believe Sligo travel to Meath this weekend. Important games for trying things even if the results dont mean much.
Where did you hear that? I heard we won by 2pts from a unreliacble source.
I stopped taking heed of challenge results when a full strength sligo beat a full strength donegal and then 2 weeks later we got beat out the gate at carrick. But still nice to hear how things are going at the same time.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 10, 2010, 04:00:13 PM
great to see barry moran get 1-4 from play.... It was against Donegal so whoever was on him can't have that bad... I reckon he will be a big player for Mayo this Summer at 14. Aidan O'Shea to 11. We need to get some height into that forward line. Cork's forwards were all 6-2 or 6-3 bar Kerrigan.
Billy Joe is an interesting player. He is an outstanding club player but never received the plaudits at IC level. I think he has been moved around too much. If left at one position (maybe 11, maybe 6) for a prolonged period then he could be an important player for us. When i was thinking of center backs for Mayo i kept thinking of a McGeeney-type player.. He seemed to direct everything from 6. His passes were always well directed. Billy Joe would be similar in this regard and it would mean that the likes of Andy Moran wouldn't have to be coming back so deep to act as playmakers.
Also interesting that Andy hasn't been mentioned for half back. I know we are top heavy there at the moment but he did recieve an all-star nomination for that position last year. He seems to be a player for facing the goal rather than with his back to it. Worth having a look at Andy at 7 with Kevin Mcloughlin at 10 in challenges... If Andy plays 10 against Sligo he will be inviting Johnny Davey forward ( not a good idea). Whereas at 7 he will be going forward making Alan Costello defend (which he isn't too good at)...
Just give me the job and i'll deliver Sam!!
I hope your JOM, i really do.
June 5th will be enough of a challenge game for any and all interested. Challenge games mean nothing, not a thing. I read Trevor Morts piece yesterday on the independent, he sounds like he would walk away if he had something else to occupy him. I really hope all goes well for him this year win or lose.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 10, 2010, 04:10:40 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 10, 2010, 03:21:54 PM
Quote from: mannix on May 10, 2010, 02:11:34 PM
challenge games are not a reliable gauge of much, can you see b moran knocking in 1. 04 in the real game?
Not beyond the bounds of possibility, I would imagine.
Heard Leitrim beat Sligo in a challenge at the weekend too. I believe Sligo travel to Meath this weekend. Important games for trying things even if the results dont mean much.
Where did you hear that? I heard we won by 2pts from a unreliacble source.
I stopped taking heed of challenge results when a full strength sligo beat a full strength donegal and then 2 weeks later we got beat out the gate at carrick. But still nice to hear how things are going at the same time.
Heard it from what should be a reliable source. Somebody close to a member of the backroom team. Not that these results mean anything.
mannix I saw that interview as well yesterday.
I wiish Trevor and his colleagues which just keep their mouths shut and their heads down.
Too many times we have read of rehabilitation and hunger blah blah blah in newspapers from Mayo players. We're not interested - do your talking on the pitch.
We saw more of the same before the League Final.
As for Andy Moran at wing back. It worked last year bar he was of limited effect in the Meath game. It is probably the only position that he has played well in the championship for Mayo.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 10, 2010, 04:14:12 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 10, 2010, 04:00:13 PM
great to see barry moran get 1-4 from play.... It was against Donegal so whoever was on him can't have that bad... I reckon he will be a big player for Mayo this Summer at 14. Aidan O'Shea to 11. We need to get some height into that forward line. Cork's forwards were all 6-2 or 6-3 bar Kerrigan.
Billy Joe is an interesting player. He is an outstanding club player but never received the plaudits at IC level. I think he has been moved around too much. If left at one position (maybe 11, maybe 6) for a prolonged period then he could be an important player for us. When i was thinking of center backs for Mayo i kept thinking of a McGeeney-type player.. He seemed to direct everything from 6. His passes were always well directed. Billy Joe would be similar in this regard and it would mean that the likes of Andy Moran wouldn't have to be coming back so deep to act as playmakers.
Also interesting that Andy hasn't been mentioned for half back. I know we are top heavy there at the moment but he did recieve an all-star nomination for that position last year. He seems to be a player for facing the goal rather than with his back to it. Worth having a look at Andy at 7 with Kevin Mcloughlin at 10 in challenges... If Andy plays 10 against Sligo he will be inviting Johnny Davey forward ( not a good idea). Whereas at 7 he will be going forward making Alan Costello defend (which he isn't too good at)...
Just give me the job and i'll deliver Sam!!
I hope your JOM, i really do.
What's wrong with my suggestions? If Kevin Mcloughlin played at 10 against Cork he would got 2-3 points from play. Andy could do his playmaking from half-back rather than us being a man down in attack because he was coming back to try and get the ball. We need someone back there who can play top quality passes into the forwards. Billy Joe is also an example of someone who can do this. But i doubt we will see him there. For me no. 6 and no.11 are the two problem areas in our team. We havent had a good 11 since Ciaran McDonald. Alan Dillon is not a no. 11. We are taken away 3-4 points from play by placing him here rather than at no.12 - his best position. Aidan O'Shea/ Tom Parsons need to be tried here.
Quote from: Barney on May 10, 2010, 06:38:17 PM
mannix I saw that interview as well yesterday.
I wiish Trevor and his colleagues which just keep their mouths shut and their heads down.
Too many times we have read of rehabilitation and hunger blah blah blah in newspapers from Mayo players. We're not interested - do your talking on the pitch.
We saw more of the same before the League Final.
As for Andy Moran at wing back. It worked last year bar he was of limited effect in the Meath game. It is probably the only position that he has played well in the championship for Mayo.
Agree Barney. No more f**king interviews for the love of God. I dont want to see an interview with Conor, Trevor or anybody else associated with this team for the rest of the bloody year. That yesterday reeked of martyrdom or maybe I m just paranoid. Maybe he s just being honest but I d prefer if he didn't show how vulnerable he and probably the rest of the team are. If they are that hurt it should be converted into defiance and hard graft. It certainly doesn't look good for the future. I doubt there is much belief left. This team will probably crumble at the next test again. And interviews like this will convince every manager and player in the country that this Mayo team is soft - mentally and physically - and if the opposition want it badly enough Mayo will let them have it. We are set up as a target for every slugger in the country will fancy us. Looks like Lar is right. Some of these guys must be mortally damaged at this level. The rebuilding will be going on a while yet.
Quote from: moysider on May 10, 2010, 05:14:13 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 10, 2010, 04:10:40 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 10, 2010, 03:21:54 PM
Quote from: mannix on May 10, 2010, 02:11:34 PM
challenge games are not a reliable gauge of much, can you see b moran knocking in 1. 04 in the real game?
Not beyond the bounds of possibility, I would imagine.
Heard Leitrim beat Sligo in a challenge at the weekend too. I believe Sligo travel to Meath this weekend. Important games for trying things even if the results dont mean much.
Where did you hear that? I heard we won by 2pts from a unreliacble source.
I stopped taking heed of challenge results when a full strength sligo beat a full strength donegal and then 2 weeks later we got beat out the gate at carrick. But still nice to hear how things are going at the same time.
Heard it from what should be a reliable source. Somebody close to a member of the backroom team. Not that these results mean anything.
Was talking to one of the Sligo players tonight, we won by 2pts but played bad, As you said challenge games are pretty meaningless, players are making sure they dont get injured etc...
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 10, 2010, 07:22:57 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 10, 2010, 04:14:12 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 10, 2010, 04:00:13 PM
great to see barry moran get 1-4 from play.... It was against Donegal so whoever was on him can't have that bad... I reckon he will be a big player for Mayo this Summer at 14. Aidan O'Shea to 11. We need to get some height into that forward line. Cork's forwards were all 6-2 or 6-3 bar Kerrigan.
Billy Joe is an interesting player. He is an outstanding club player but never received the plaudits at IC level. I think he has been moved around too much. If left at one position (maybe 11, maybe 6) for a prolonged period then he could be an important player for us. When i was thinking of center backs for Mayo i kept thinking of a McGeeney-type player.. He seemed to direct everything from 6. His passes were always well directed. Billy Joe would be similar in this regard and it would mean that the likes of Andy Moran wouldn't have to be coming back so deep to act as playmakers.
Also interesting that Andy hasn't been mentioned for half back. I know we are top heavy there at the moment but he did recieve an all-star nomination for that position last year. He seems to be a player for facing the goal rather than with his back to it. Worth having a look at Andy at 7 with Kevin Mcloughlin at 10 in challenges... If Andy plays 10 against Sligo he will be inviting Johnny Davey forward ( not a good idea). Whereas at 7 he will be going forward making Alan Costello defend (which he isn't too good at)...
Just give me the job and i'll deliver Sam!!
I hope your JOM, i really do.
What's wrong with my suggestions? If Kevin Mcloughlin played at 10 against Cork he would got 2-3 points from play. Andy could do his playmaking from half-back rather than us being a man down in attack because he was coming back to try and get the ball. We need someone back there who can play top quality passes into the forwards. Billy Joe is also an example of someone who can do this. But i doubt we will see him there. For me no. 6 and no.11 are the two problem areas in our team. We havent had a good 11 since Ciaran McDonald. Alan Dillon is not a no. 11. We are taken away 3-4 points from play by placing him here rather than at no.12 - his best position. Aidan O'Shea/ Tom Parsons need to be tried here.
In fairness im not going to point out anything at this stage tactics wise.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 10, 2010, 04:00:13 PM
great to see barry moran get 1-4 from play.... It was against Donegal so whoever was on him can't have that bad... I reckon he will be a big player for Mayo this Summer at 14. Aidan O'Shea to 11. We need to get some height into that forward line. Cork's forwards were all 6-2 or 6-3 bar Kerrigan.
Billy Joe is an interesting player. He is an outstanding club player but never received the plaudits at IC level. I think he has been moved around too much. If left at one position (maybe 11, maybe 6) for a prolonged period then he could be an important player for us. When i was thinking of center backs for Mayo i kept thinking of a McGeeney-type player.. He seemed to direct everything from 6. His passes were always well directed. Billy Joe would be similar in this regard and it would mean that the likes of Andy Moran wouldn't have to be coming back so deep to act as playmakers.
Also interesting that Andy hasn't been mentioned for half back. I know we are top heavy there at the moment but he did recieve an all-star nomination for that position last year. He seems to be a player for facing the goal rather than with his back to it. Worth having a look at Andy at 7 with Kevin Mcloughlin at 10 in challenges... If Andy plays 10 against Sligo he will be inviting Johnny Davey forward ( not a good idea). Whereas at 7 he will be going forward making Alan Costello defend (which he isn't too good at)...
Just give me the job and i'll deliver Sam!!
Four times I went to reply to that but there is so much I disagreed with I just didnt know where to start.
go on have a go abbeysider, you know nothing about football if you disagree with so much...Suppose you'd leave aidan O'shea at 14? Doesnt bring any other players into the game. Plays much better at no.11
I never said Billy Joe for def, i never said Andy Moran for 7 for def. But it amazes me how he can receive an All-Star nomination in a position and then be totally disregarded for that position then on. Everyone will agree that it was andy's best championship season. He always does well in league and fades but not last year. So how is that suggestion stupid??? Some clowns in Mayo if they don't see that.
I'm being deadly serious here:
On the day of the league final, Kieran Shannon (?) had a Trevor Mortimer interview in the Tribune. It was 100% identical in its message to what was in the Indo this week. I don't mean 99% now; it was the full nine yards.
Some of the details were obviously different; they had to be, but the overall tone in both cases were the same.
Conoreen was mentioned in the same light; bit of a character but has returned full of fight for the cause. Trev didn't quite know what his little bro was up to and didn't keep tabs on him but the said little bugger was a really serious individual all the same etc. etc.
Pressure from the fans (us??) was unreal; elated after a win; disappointed after a loss- no in-between at all. Trev was hard at work while the interview was going on. He kept getting up and going out of the office to check lorries in and out while talking to Shannon. Different pic also but the only major change was the T-shirt.
Anyway, I haven't the heart to go on. The gist of the piece was identical to the latest makeover in the Indo.
Now, I don't disagree at all with what was put across but I am concerned at what I see as a PR job to cast the team and Johnno in a favourable light. I accept that Trev and his colleagues are doing their bleddy best and all have jobs to think or studies to attend to but I'm certain he and the others are buying into the idea that the pressure is getting them down when push turns to shove. It's preying on his mind and the same goes for the rest of the crew.
I'm also I'm damn sure the interviews were not spur of the moment affairs and I don't think Trev was speaking for himself alone. I think I can spot a PR job when I see it and I suspect that both were arranged with a definite purpose in mind and Mort was only the mouthpiece.
That's feckin' serious; no doubt about it.
Like moysider says, every manager and player in the country know that this Mayo team is soft - mentally and physically - and if the opposition want it badly enough Mayo will let them have it.
I had no problem at all if the trip to Portugal had gone ahead; the poor devils must be feeling shattered right now and I figured that a spell away from it all would help them to sort out their arses from their elbows and try and get their act together. It goes beyond the bounds of coincidence that two seasoned reporters, from two papers, would conduct identical interviews and try and get the same message across. Those interviews were pre-planned and Trevor Mortimer has some assistance in rehearsing what he was going to say. Johnno didn't know in advance what his team captain was going to come out with, did he? Nah, it's just my bad mind, thinking overtime.
I agree that the time for sympathetic interviews is over and the only way to break the hoodoo or whatever is for the team to stuff history down the jacks.
My real fear is that the younger lads may have become infected with the Mayo, God help us syndrome and will also start to go belly up at the first sign of pressure.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 11, 2010, 11:04:09 AM
go on have a go abbeysider, you know nothing about football if you disagree with so much...
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So how is that suggestion stupid??? Some clowns in Mayo if they don't see that.
As a matter of interest, what age are you?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 11, 2010, 11:35:49 AM
I'm being deadly serious here:
On the day of the league final, Kieran Shannon (?) had a Trevor Mortimer interview in the Tribune. It was 100% identical in its message to what was in the Indo this week. I don't mean 99% now; it was the full nine yards.
Some of the details were obviously different; they had to be, but the overall tone in both cases were the same.
Conoreen was mentioned in the same light; bit of a character but has returned full of fight for the cause. Trev didn't quite know what his little bro was up to and didn't keep tabs on him but the said little bugger was a really serious individual all the same etc. etc.
Pressure from the fans (us??) was unreal; elated after a win; disappointed after a loss- no in-between at all. Trev was hard at work while the interview was going on. He kept getting up and going out of the office to check lorries in and out while talking to Shannon. Different pic also but the only major change was the T-shirt.
Anyway, I haven't the heart to go on. The gist of the piece was identical to the latest makeover in the Indo.
Now, I don't disagree at all with what was put across but I am concerned at what I see as a PR job to cast the team and Johnno in a favourable light. I accept that Trev and his colleagues are doing their bleddy best and all have jobs to think or studies to attend to but I'm certain he and the others are buying into the idea that the pressure is getting them down when push turns to shove. It's preying on his mind and the same goes for the rest of the crew.
I'm also I'm damn sure the interviews were not spur of the moment affairs and I don't think Trev was speaking for himself alone. I think I can spot a PR job when I see it and I suspect that both were arranged with a definite purpose in mind and Mort was only the mouthpiece.
That's feckin' serious; no doubt about it.
Like moysider says, every manager and player in the country know that this Mayo team is soft - mentally and physically - and if the opposition want it badly enough Mayo will let them have it.
I had no problem at all if the trip to Portugal had gone ahead; the poor devils must be feeling shattered right now and I figured that a spell away from it all would help them to sort out their arses from their elbows and try and get their act together. It goes beyond the bounds of coincidence that two seasoned reporters, from two papers, would conduct identical interviews and try and get the same message across. Those interviews were pre-planned and Trevor Mortimer has some assistance in rehearsing what he was going to say. Johnno didn't know in advance what his team captain was going to come out with, did he? Nah, it's just my bad mind, thinking overtime.
I agree that the time for sympathetic interviews is over and the only way to break the hoodoo or whatever is for the team to stuff history down the jacks.
My real fear is that the younger lads may have become infected with the Mayo, God help us syndrome and will also start to go belly up at the first sign of pressure.
Sligonian wins another over to his way of thinking!
Lar I guess he gave the interview at the Championship launch?
And of course there was a near similar story with Keith Duggan
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 11, 2010, 11:38:13 AM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 11, 2010, 11:04:09 AM
go on have a go abbeysider, you know nothing about football if you disagree with so much...
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So how is that suggestion stupid??? Some clowns in Mayo if they don't see that.
As a matter of interest, what age are you?
what difference does that make... If you can't see any reason behind them moves (which i haven't said should be definite) than i would have to wonder about your football intellect. You haven't suggested anything yet you are putting me down. Extremely disrepectful..
Look back on my posts. I was the one harping on about getting Seamie O'Shea in the team last year. I was constantly derided for it. Some of the posters on this site are so backward and it is clear they never played football.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 11, 2010, 12:52:00 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 11, 2010, 11:38:13 AM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 11, 2010, 11:04:09 AM
go on have a go abbeysider, you know nothing about football if you disagree with so much...
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So how is that suggestion stupid??? Some clowns in Mayo if they don't see that.
As a matter of interest, what age are you?
what difference does that make... If you can't see any reason behind them moves (which i haven't said should be definite) than i would have to wonder about your football intellect. You haven't suggested anything yet you are putting me down. Extremely disrepectful..
Look back on my posts. I was the one harping on about getting Seamie O'Shea in the team last year. I was constantly derided for it. Some of the posters on this site are so backward and it is clear they never played football.
Hang on a second, take a few deep breaths and pull your horns in.
WTF is the story with all the aggression?
I simply said that I disagreed with a lot of what you said and you have since then gone mental.
Your the one that mentioned any posts being stupid, calling people backward, making up stories and assumptions about playing careers and on about football intellect.
I simply said that I disagreed with you. Why are you so offended?
Did I call you stupid or undermine your character? Can someone not disagree with your opinion?
I struggled to begin to reply to your post in question as I dont want to bash players or nail them to the wall. ( I have done enough of that in the past )
to say there was so many things wrong with my original post that you couldnt even begin to disagree...??? Suggest something or comment ....not that reply you gave.
There was no player bashing involved. You CAN comment on the mayo team with honest opinions without getting involved with bashing players.
Foreverhopeful is right about Andy Moran you know. I think he might have began to fade against Cork already! :o I also agree with him as regards Dillon at no 11, but Trevor Mortimer isn't a no 11 either. Players who wear the no 11 shirt need to be creative.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 11, 2010, 05:34:22 PM
to say there was so many things wrong with my original post that you couldnt even begin to disagree...??? Suggest something or comment ....not that reply you gave.
There was no player bashing involved. You CAN comment on the mayo team with honest opinions without getting involved with bashing players.
Thanks for telling me when I can comment. ;) But you shouldnt be as sensitive when someone disagrees.
Here it goes...
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 10, 2010, 04:00:13 PM
great to see barry moran get 1-4 from play.... It was against Donegal so whoever was on him can't have that bad... I reckon he will be a big player for Mayo this Summer at 14.
I hope you right, its encouraging but I wouldnt read too much into challange games as mannix said. Also Barry Moran has been involved in the senior setup since his first year U21 and always promises big things but IMO he has never bared the fruits at Senior level. But I hope your right.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 10, 2010, 04:00:13 PM
Aidan O'Shea to 11. We need to get some height into that forward line. Cork's forwards were all 6-2 or 6-3 bar Kerrigan.
Ok, AOS to 11...
Why would you move Seamus from CF? Surely the best football Mayo have played is with SOS at 11 and McGarity and Parsons at midfeild, giving us three options for kickouts? And also letting Dillon play 12.
If you move AOS to 11, where are you putting SOS? To midfield? at the expense of Parsons or McGarity?
Also, moving AOS out; we are losing our main target man in the FF line, would you just change the whole attacking formation?
Are you suggesting having a small FF line or Baz Moran the only big man in the FF line?
Having Barry Moran and AOS in the FF line alleviates the pressure off each other and causes panic to FB lines under hight balls or any type of ball. If anything having two big men, that are good in the air and can get out in front means that the ball in doesnt have to be on a silver plate as they can win their 50-50 and even 60-40 balls.
As well as the above, has AOS the stamina as an IC Center Forward? Seriously?
The FF line suits him as he gets long breaks and plays in bursts.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 10, 2010, 04:00:13 PM
Billy Joe is an interesting player.
Not so sure about that
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 10, 2010, 04:00:13 PM
He is an outstanding club player
I disagree, he is average enough IMO
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 10, 2010, 04:00:13 PM
but never received the plaudits at IC level
because he is average enough IMO
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 10, 2010, 04:00:13 PM
I think he has been moved around too much.
probably because he is not good enough in any position
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 10, 2010, 04:00:13 PM
If left at one position (maybe 11, maybe 6) for a prolonged period then he could be an important player for us.
Or it could be a disaster. IMO he is the type of utility player that will fill a gap, but I dont know if he knows himself where his best position is. The best I have seen him play was against Kerry in 2004 at CF but that was 6 years ago and I havnt seen him play that well since. I dont know how you would just trust him at CB just like that. Bit of a bold move since he is totally unproven as a defender. IMO he is more of an attacking player, not bad at winning breaks but not really having the defensive qualities for CB.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 10, 2010, 04:00:13 PM
When i was thinking of center backs for Mayo i kept thinking of a McGeeney-type player.. He seemed to direct everything from 6. His passes were always well directed. Billy Joe would be similar in this regard and it would mean that the likes of Andy Moran wouldn't have to be coming back so deep to act as playmakers.
Im not sure if your referring to Andy Morans role in the first half of the NFL final where he was playing deep, but his role that day was to get men behind the ball early so there is space to attack into and space in front of our FF line. I dont think his role was ever to drop deep solely to act as a play maker.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 10, 2010, 04:00:13 PM
Also interesting that Andy hasn't been mentioned for half back. I know we are top heavy there at the moment but he did recieve an all-star nomination for that position last year. He seems to be a player for facing the goal rather than with his back to it. Worth having a look at Andy at 7 with Kevin Mcloughlin at 10 in challenges... If Andy plays 10 against Sligo he will be inviting Johnny Davey forward ( not a good idea). Whereas at 7 he will be going forward making Alan Costello defend (which he isn't too good at)...
I wouldnt change things when they are not necessarily broken. Kevin McGloughlin seems to be playing brilliant stuff from wing back so why would you change that? Im suggesting that Kevin McGloughlin is a better wing back than Andy Moran. And that Andy Moran is a better wing forward than Kevin McGloughlin.
Mayos problems are at Centre Back, possibly Full Back and perhaps in one of the corners. Vaughan and McGloughlin have nailed the wing back positions down. I wouldnt be in favour of changing and trying things this late in the season.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 10, 2010, 04:00:13 PM
Just give me the job and i'll deliver Sam!!
:-X ;)
i would never put trev at 11. No way. If i was looking at panel i would say that Aidan O'Shea would be best suited. Was very good there for minors. Billy Joe ticks a lot of the boxes for the position but i don't know if he is good enough. Does it at club but not sure about county. Maybe??? If given a long run but sure he wont get that. Don't think Harte is a playmaker either. Ronaldson would be good if he was over 6ft.
QuoteThe best I have seen him play was against Kerry in 2004 at CF but that was 6 years ago and I havnt seen him play that well since
Billy Joe didnt start in 04... He played wing-forward in 06.
QuoteHe is an outstanding club player
I disagree, he is average enough IMO
He has carried that belmullet team. He quite simply has been brilliant for them.
Why when we have quality corner forwards: Conor Mort, Killer, Varley, Ronaldson (and freeman, douglas) would be play the two boys (B Moran and A O'Shea) in the ff line. We need some height in the half-forward line.
QuoteWhy would you move Seamus from CF? Surely the best football Mayo have played is with SOS at 11 and McGarity and Parsons at midfeild, giving us three options for kickouts? And also letting Dillon play 12.
If you move AOS to 11, where are you putting SOS? To midfield? at the expense of Parsons or McGarity?
I would play Seamie O'Shea with Ronan. Parsons needs a a little reminder and the bench will do that for him. He has to toughen up.
QuoteI wouldnt change things when they are not necessarily broken. Kevin McGloughlin seems to be playing brilliant stuff from wing back so why would you change that? Im suggesting that Kevin McGloughlin is a better wing back than Andy Moran. And that Andy Moran is a better wing forward than Kevin McGloughlin.
Do you not agree with Andy Moran at 7 after him receiving an All-Star nomination there last year in his only good championship campaign for Mayo. Kevin Mcloughlin was outstanding in the league final as an attacking source primarily. I def could have seen him get 3-4 points if attacking from no.10 that day as he was on a better side for shooting with his left foot. He can also pass the ball well. I'm not saying he should be first choice there as there is strong competition there already but i do think he is better back there ( he was a leader for us in this position).
Cheers for replying AbbeySider. Obvious you have totally different views than me but sure thats for discussion!!!
I wouldn't play Parsons at all. And to be totally honest, McGarrity is only good when things are going well for the team, if the chips are down I don't think McGarrity will put his neck on the line enough to change the outcome of the game. Who's the best midfield pairing, I suppose Foreverhopeful would be right when picking McGarrity and O'Shea only for the fact that Parsons is not shaping up at all to what he should be.
I m not sure where I would be on the Andy Moran stuff. Overall I thought he had a good league and was showing real leadership too. As for the Cork match I dunno. We were overwhelmed in the possession stakes and the whole half forward line must take a hammering for not winning more dirty breaking ball than they did. Andy and the rest were on the back foot most of the time while in other league games they were on top around the middle. The thing is though can he do better? And have we better? I honestly think McLoughlin is a much better 7 than Andy. He s better defensively and his awareness is better and passing is at least as good.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 11, 2010, 08:59:20 PM
I wouldn't play Parsons at all. And to be totally honest, McGarrity is only good when things are going well for the team, if the chips are down I don't think McGarrity will put his neck on the line enough to change the outcome of the game. Who's the best midfield pairing, I suppose Foreverhopeful would be right when picking McGarrity and O'Shea only for the fact that Parsons is not shaping up at all to what he should be.
Agree totally. McGarrity has the capability to pull things out and stand up but just doesn't do it enough. Not too sure about Parsons to be honest.
I really hope things go well for Barry Moran this year and he stays injury free, really sound fella and has been fierce unlucky with injuries.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 11, 2010, 08:59:20 PM
I wouldn't play Parsons at all. And to be totally honest, McGarrity is only good when things are going well for the team, if the chips are down I don't think McGarrity will put his neck on the line enough to change the outcome of the game. Who's the best midfield pairing, I suppose Foreverhopeful would be right when picking McGarrity and O'Shea only for the fact that Parsons is not shaping up at all to what he should be.
Unfortunately, I think you are right on both counts!
Tom has had ample opportunity throughout the league to make his mark and I don't think he has succeeded in doing so. Without doubt, he is talented and should mature into a fine player indeed but he'd need to get his thinking right. Besides, there is stiff competition for midfield places and O'Mahony has plenty of options here; getting a pair that gels is another matter.
I see McGarrity and Harte played there against Donegal but Seamus was missing due to exams. I think they are a good combination; the stylist and the grafter but, right now, I'd leaver Sheamie where he has played throughout the league. Probably, McGarrity will partner him – he should be fine as long as it's not Croke park. After that, I'd be a bit worried.
I'd agree with Moysider about leaving Kevin at no. 7; it's time for Johnno to start fixing players in positions and, like O'Shea at midfield, he is probably thinking of the long term here.
I agree with ballinaman re Barry Moran. He's been plagued with injuries but he is a skilful payer and could well figure in Johnno's plans for the future. Up to midfield, I'd say the said Johnno has few enough doubts about who is going to start where- there could be a bit of re-jigging and at most one personnel replacement. I haven't a clue about what he will eventually come up with, but I'd wager that he has more or less fixed on his preferred combination by now. That's fair enough but he's got a lot of head scratching to do when he starts with the forwards.
Quotegreat to see barry moran get 1-4 from play.... It was against Donegal so whoever was on him can't have that bad... I reckon he will be a big player for Mayo this Summer at 14. Aidan O'Shea to 11. We need to get some height into that forward line. Cork's forwards were all 6-2 or 6-3 bar Kerrigan.
I can't for the life of me see why you would play AOS at center forward. I think he did well at full forward in the league final, albeit too slow to use the ball, but he was winning his fair share. He is too slow in thought and action for center forward and would be unable to track an attacking center back. While he did play well at minor level as a center forward, his size and strength gave him a huge advantage and he would have marked some lads who'll never see a senior county jersey, in other words there is a marked step up to senior. I'd also have my doubts about Barry Moran at FF but he may do ok with more training and games under his belt but I certainly wouldn't start him against Sligo. Mayo had a good league and were beaten by a very strong Cork team so there is more right than wrong with the Mayo team. I wouldn't dismiss the league due to one bad result and line out in your first championship game of the year with a new center back, midfield pairing, center forward and full forward which is what you seem to be suggesting.
okay so would you leave howley, parsons, dillon in their positions?
Aidan O'shea would have more room to get some speed up at no.11. He'd be hard stopped at full flight. At full forward you need a sharp burst and Aidan doesnt have that.He also doesn't have that craft for 14 to bring other players into the game.
Parsons has to go, he is not up to when the going gets tough. Bench him or else try him at 11 where he'd be out of the hard-hitting stuff.
Alan Dillon is not an 11, FFS. Can you not see that we are losing his input of scores from play? He takes too much out of it and can't take on his man in the middle (extra traffic/too small). At no.12 he can take on his man and he gets 2-4 points from play. He is one of the top no. 12's in the game but he wouldn't figure in anyone's list as an 11.
I see the point about Mcloughlin being a better 7 than Moran. However i think Moran gives more to Mayo as a 7 than as a 10 and i do think he deserves to be on the team. He is more confident, gets good ball into the forwards and is a leader back there. It's not a case of him versus Mcloughlin, more of where can we get the best out particular players. I think Mcloughlin has more guile and skill to play as a 10. I think if he was their he could be our playmaker.
We all saw that Howley wasn't a Center back in the league. That was obvious. Just a pity JOM left him there until he was roasted. Not fair on him cos he is a good footballer. I think we will see him at 4 for the Summer with Keith at 2 (hope Chris Barrett is accommodated because he is a talented footballer) It also takes the pressure off Ger Caf having them two there. Half back line is anyone's guess. Choose from Gardiner, Vaughan, Mcloughlin, Barrett, Nally, Howley, A Moran, T Mortimer, BJ Padden, L O'Malley (his natural place!), K Conroy.
Half back line is anyone's guess. Choose from .........A Moran, T Mortimer, BJ Padden, L O'Malley (his natural place!), K Conroy.
spot the odd one out?
As for the forwards I thnk JOM has to make dome very hard choice as to who to choose in certain area i say only one each of the following can play at any one time
Dillion or ronaldson
t mortimer or andy Moran
C mortimer or Varley
P harte or Seamus Osé
I do perhaps hypocritically however think A Osé and B moran can play together in the FF line
my choices would be
andy SoSé Dillon
C Mort B moran and A Osé
Totally agree with those who say A O'Shea should not be played at 11. I mean what's the rational behind this? He was good at minor in that position? Well someone just pointed out that he was good there because he was stonger and more powerful than any other players his age and playing against players who are not any where near senior standard. However, the main reason he is not played at 11, at it should be very obvious, is that he is way to slow. Other than that he proved in his 1st year at senior that he is a serious scoring threat from 14. Don't see any reason why he should be moved...
Andy Moran playing well would be a definite starter but he is not a defender. He is a good enough player to adopt to most markers as a hb, but up against a quality half forward a man who is a natural defender will get caught out.
He got a nomination for his work delivering the ball, not his defending. John Divilly might be a decent comparison is this regard.
Quoteokay so would you leave howley, parsons, dillon in their positions?
Aidan O'shea would have more room to get some speed up at no.11. He'd be hard stopped at full flight. At full forward you need a sharp burst and Aidan doesnt have that.He also doesn't have that craft for 14 to bring other players into the game.
Parsons has to go, he is not up to when the going gets tough. Bench him or else try him at 11 where he'd be out of the hard-hitting stuff.
Alan Dillon is not an 11, FFS. Can you not see that we are losing his input of scores from play? He takes too much out of it and can't take on his man in the middle (extra traffic/too small). At no.12 he can take on his man and he gets 2-4 points from play. He is one of the top no. 12's in the game but he wouldn't figure in anyone's list as an 11.
I agree Dillon should be played at 12 but I wouldn't lose the head and take AOS out of FF where he has done ok and play him at center forward where he lacks most of the attributes needed for the position. In short, he would be a disaster at center forward IMO and by placing him there you would, in one stroke, weaken both your FF line and HF line. As for Parsons, well it's hard to know what to do with him at this stage, he seems like a decent footballer and you Mayo lads all seem to rate him highly but he hasn't shown much of it at senior level. Would a roving corner forward role suit him? It would allow him to play out around the middle but wouldn't burden him with the job of winning primary possession. If he is as good a footballer as you lads reckon then maybe playing two foraging half forwards to win breaking ball off the midfield before looking for Parsons to deliver and run with the ball might work. It would also create space in the FF line where you could play two big men (Moran & O'Se), two small men (Mort & Varley, maybe Ronaldson) or one of each.
Perhaps a forward line along the lines of: Moran Harte Dillon
Varley/Mort AOS Parsons
would be worth trying, with SOS and McGarrity at midfield. Harte would be a bit of a risk but I think he is a fine footballer and alternatives are lacking.
All of this talk of Tom Parsons playing in the forward line is a load of nonsense. In my opinion the man shouldn't even be on the team.
2 years ago he was a bright prospect. Now he has the look of somebody that is never going to make it. Lazy, with a lack of physical bite, extremely poor technique are his main problems in my opinion. Like a lot of Mayo players he struggles to actually kick the football. What good is he going to do as a CHF? Kicking distribution won't be a problem. He won't track back so you will open up the whole pitch to the opposition number 11. And then if he gets in front of goal more often than not he will hit a spectacular wide.
I think moysider made a good point previously about Mayo and our lack of success in developing players. There was a raw talent there for JOM - he has gone backwards rather than being improved.
Muppet I think that is a fair point about Andy Moran. He will get away with things on the wing except for against the star player for the opposition. Maybe another player we have been too quick to write up in Mayo without any justification and possible because he talks a good game in the newspaper.
I think like a lot of Mayo supporters my patience has just worn that little bit thin and the lame excuses won't do any more.
"I think moysider made a good point previously about Mayo and our lack of success in developing players. There was a raw talent there for JOM - he has gone backwards rather than being improved."
Not to step to JOM's defence again but surely there is a large responsibility on players themselves to work on their own weaknesses in their own time? Maybe it is a case where these guys are rated too highly and don't realize that if they are to big players at IC level they need to put in a lot of extra work on their respective weaknesses. Parsons got picked twice in the league final and that type of lethargy is no ones fault but his own.
Quote from: muppet on May 13, 2010, 12:08:51 AM
Andy Moran playing well would be a definite starter but he is not a defender. He is a good enough player to adopt to most markers as a hb, but up against a quality half forward a man who is a natural defender will get caught out.
He got a nomination for his work delivering the ball, not his defending. John Divilly might be a decent comparison is this regard.
Quote from: GBXII on May 12, 2010, 11:28:56 PM
Totally agree with those who say A O'Shea should not be played at 11. I mean what's the rational behind this? He was good at minor in that position? Well someone just pointed out that he was good there because he was stonger and more powerful than any other players his age and playing against players who are not any where near senior standard. However, the main reason he is not played at 11, at it should be very obvious, is that he is way to slow. Other than that he proved in his 1st year at senior that he is a serious scoring threat from 14. Don't see any reason why he should be moved...
Totally concur with you both.
You took the words right out of my mouth, as Meatloaf would say. :)
Quote from: Barney on May 13, 2010, 02:47:01 PM
All of this talk of Tom Parsons playing in the forward line is a load of nonsense. In my opinion the man shouldn't even be on the team.
2 years ago he was a bright prospect. Now he has the look of somebody that is never going to make it. Lazy, with a lack of physical bite, extremely poor technique are his main problems in my opinion. Like a lot of Mayo players he struggles to actually kick the football. What good is he going to do as a CHF? Kicking distribution won't be a problem. He won't track back so you will open up the whole pitch to the opposition number 11. And then if he gets in front of goal more often than not he will hit a spectacular wide.
Harsh words Barney, but very true. Your calling a spade - a spade.
Quote from: Barney on May 13, 2010, 02:47:01 PM
I think moysider made a good point previously about Mayo and our lack of success in developing players. There was a raw talent there for JOM - he has gone backwards rather than being improved.
Developing players? Its gone past a joke.
I was watching the Armagh / Down NFL division 2 final in Croke Park and you could see the systemic technique and drilling in the way both those teams and Cork play. My point is, in other counties there is better coaching and drilling of skills as almost every pass was perfect and their technique was exceptional. Inside of the boot and placed balls every time.
I hate to say it but in Mayo we love to look good first and then win second. I have been thinking about this for a while and it seems im not proven wrong. We are "nice footballers". Every second shot or pass is flashy with the outside of the boot or the odd drop kick. We seem to be the only county that have that sort of style but at the end of the day, any swerved ball with the outside of the boot, or any drop kick or fancy floater takes longer to get to the target and subsequently we are not giving ourselves an advantage.
If you look at northern teams especially, the robotic and perfect techniques of passing and kicking. If you look at Cork and Kerry and the way they perfect and focus on kicking and catching ability. Look at the resources on www.ulstergaa.ie (or coaching tips on www.derrygaa.ie or www.armaghgaa.ie) and then try and go to http://www.connachtgaa.ie and see the difference in attitude and resources and you can see plainly that we are falling way behind in player development and are paying the price.
As you said, raw talent exists in the county as hurling is not strong and we have about 46 clubs. But the coaching level is low in the county and until that improves, players wont develop properly. Rant over. :P
Quote from: Barney on May 13, 2010, 02:47:01 PM
Muppet I think that is a fair point about Andy Moran. He will get away with things on the wing except for against the star player for the opposition. Maybe another player we have been too quick to write up in Mayo without any justification and possible because he talks a good game in the newspaper.
I think like a lot of Mayo supporters my patience has just worn that little bit thin and the lame excuses won't do any more.
I feel that pain. In fact, my interest in the county campaign is not half what it used to be.
There is only so many times you can be kicked in the face and take it
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 13, 2010, 03:20:35 PM
Quote from: Barney on May 13, 2010, 02:47:01 PM
All of this talk of Tom Parsons playing in the forward line is a load of nonsense. In my opinion the man shouldn't even be on the team.
2 years ago he was a bright prospect. Now he has the look of somebody that is never going to make it. Lazy, with a lack of physical bite, extremely poor technique are his main problems in my opinion. Like a lot of Mayo players he struggles to actually kick the football. What good is he going to do as a CHF? Kicking distribution won't be a problem. He won't track back so you will open up the whole pitch to the opposition number 11. And then if he gets in front of goal more often than not he will hit a spectacular wide.
Harsh words Barney, but very true. Your calling a spade - a spade.
Quote from: Barney on May 13, 2010, 02:47:01 PM
I think moysider made a good point previously about Mayo and our lack of success in developing players. There was a raw talent there for JOM - he has gone backwards rather than being improved.
Developing players? Its gone past a joke.
I was watching the Armagh / Down NFL division 2 final in Croke Park and you could see the systemic technique and drilling in the way both those teams and Cork play. My point is, in other counties there is better coaching and drilling of skills as almost every pass was perfect and their technique was exceptional. Inside of the boot and placed balls every time.
I hate to say it but in Mayo we love to look good first and then win second. I have been thinking about this for a while and it seems im not proven wrong. We are "nice footballers". Every second shot or pass is flashy with the outside of the boot or the odd drop kick. We seem to be the only county that have that sort of style but at the end of the day, any swerved ball with the outside of the boot, or any drop kick or fancy floater takes longer to get to the target and subsequently we are not giving ourselves an advantage.
If you look at northern teams especially, the robotic and perfect techniques of passing and kicking. If you look at Cork and Kerry and the way they perfect and focus on kicking and catching ability. Look at the resources on www.ulstergaa.ie (or coaching tips on www.derrygaa.ie or www.armaghgaa.ie) and then try and go to http://www.connachtgaa.ie and see the difference in attitude and resources and you can see plainly that we are falling way behind in player development and are paying the price.
As you said, raw talent exists in the county as hurling is not strong and we have about 46 clubs. But the coaching level is low in the county and until that improves, players wont develop properly. Rant over. :P
Quote from: Barney on May 13, 2010, 02:47:01 PM
Muppet I think that is a fair point about Andy Moran. He will get away with things on the wing except for against the star player for the opposition. Maybe another player we have been too quick to write up in Mayo without any justification and possible because he talks a good game in the newspaper.
I think like a lot of Mayo supporters my patience has just worn that little bit thin and the lame excuses won't do any more.
I feel that pain. In fact, my interest in the county campaign is not half what it used to be.
There is only so many times you can be kicked in the face and take it
Where are the resources on them websites? Do they have coaching drills on them?
Yeah they do. They are pretty good too if your starting out on the coaching road, the Armagh one is particularly good IMO as they have video demonstrations. There are also DVD's you can buy on the Ulster GAA website which aren't bad, all in all they are far ahead of the other provinces and Munster are even worse than Connacht.
Quote from: Zulu on May 13, 2010, 04:26:54 PM
Yeah they do. They are pretty good too if your starting out on the coaching road, the Armagh one is particularly good IMO as they have video demonstrations. There are also DVD's you can buy on the Ulster GAA website which aren't bad, all in all they are far ahead of the other provinces and Munster are even worse than Connacht.
can any one buy them ? Have you got coaching badges Zulu . How do you set about getting involved in coaching ?
Yeah anyone can get them, if I remember you could only get them by paying through the post. There are some decent drilss and games posted on those sites as well though and you can get them for free.
I have the level 1 coaching badge and I've been waiting about 4 years for the level 2 to get going but I've had no luck yet. I'm in Britain now though so things might have improved in that regard back home. The coaching badges are easy to get and there are plenty of foundation and level 1 courses being run in each county afaik.
I first got involved by offering to take a team and if your club is anything like the one's I've been involved with they will be delighted to give you a team. However, if you are going to get involved let me know and I'll pass on some stuff I have myself or PM to talk about session development etc. I take the whole coaching thing very seriously and have spent a lot of time trying to learn everything about the science and development of athletes and most of the stuff on those sites are grand for lower levels but you need to understand how to use these drills and games properly within a training session.
Quote from: Barney on May 13, 2010, 02:47:01 PM
All of this talk of Tom Parsons playing in the forward line is a load of nonsense. In my opinion the man shouldn't even be on the team.
2 years ago he was a bright prospect. Now he has the look of somebody that is never going to make it. Lazy, with a lack of physical bite, extremely poor technique are his main problems in my opinion. Like a lot of Mayo players he struggles to actually kick the football. What good is he going to do as a CHF? Kicking distribution won't be a problem. He won't track back so you will open up the whole pitch to the opposition number 11. And then if he gets in front of goal more often than not he will hit a spectacular wide.
I thought someone said a few weeks ago that he could become Mayo's greatest ever footballer or something to that effect. Must admit that raised an eyebrow with me at the time. The lad has some talent alright but I never thought of him as being THAT good.
QuoteI hate to say it but in Mayo we love to look good first and then win second. I have been thinking about this for a while and it seems im not proven wrong. We are "nice footballers". Every second shot or pass is flashy with the outside of the boot or the odd drop kick. We seem to be the only county that have that sort of style but at the end of the day, any swerved ball with the outside of the boot, or any drop kick or fancy floater takes longer to get to the target and subsequently we are not giving ourselves an advantage.
Sure they say the same thing about Galway. I believe it was Ger Loughnane who said that west of Ireland people are "too nice" (whatever that means) and he was including his native Clare in that along with the likes of Galway and Mayo.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 13, 2010, 05:14:47 PM
Quote from: Barney on May 13, 2010, 02:47:01 PM
All of this talk of Tom Parsons playing in the forward line is a load of nonsense. In my opinion the man shouldn't even be on the team.
2 years ago he was a bright prospect. Now he has the look of somebody that is never going to make it. Lazy, with a lack of physical bite, extremely poor technique are his main problems in my opinion. Like a lot of Mayo players he struggles to actually kick the football. What good is he going to do as a CHF? Kicking distribution won't be a problem. He won't track back so you will open up the whole pitch to the opposition number 11. And then if he gets in front of goal more often than not he will hit a spectacular wide.
I thought someone said a few weeks ago that he could become Mayo's greatest ever footballer or something to that effect. Must admit that raised an eyebrow with me at the time. The lad has some talent alright but I never thought of him as being THAT good.
QuoteI hate to say it but in Mayo we love to look good first and then win second. I have been thinking about this for a while and it seems im not proven wrong. We are "nice footballers". Every second shot or pass is flashy with the outside of the boot or the odd drop kick. We seem to be the only county that have that sort of style but at the end of the day, any swerved ball with the outside of the boot, or any drop kick or fancy floater takes longer to get to the target and subsequently we are not giving ourselves an advantage.
Sure they say the same thing about Galway. I believe it was Ger Loughnane who said that west of Ireland people are "too nice" (whatever that means) and he was including his native Clare in that along with the likes of Galway and Mayo.
sure we are all to nice gbb all you have to do is look at the board , look at the nordies on here they hate each other and thats before the football even comes into it , if you look at any of the westie threads we all get on like a house on fire bar sligonian of course who if you cut open his blood would be black and white ;), we wish each other luck when we loose can you imagine the nordies doing that , its time we startred to hate each other
Quote from: Barney on May 13, 2010, 02:47:01 PM
All of this talk of Tom Parsons playing in the forward line is a load of nonsense. In my opinion the man shouldn't even be on the team.
2 years ago he was a bright prospect. Now he has the look of somebody that is never going to make it. Lazy, with a lack of physical bite, extremely poor technique are his main problems in my opinion. Like a lot of Mayo players he struggles to actually kick the football. What good is he going to do as a CHF? Kicking distribution won't be a problem. He won't track back so you will open up the whole pitch to the opposition number 11. And then if he gets in front of goal more often than not he will hit a spectacular wide.
I think moysider made a good point previously about Mayo and our lack of success in developing players. There was a raw talent there for JOM - he has gone backwards rather than being improved.
Muppet I think that is a fair point about Andy Moran. He will get away with things on the wing except for against the star player for the opposition. Maybe another player we have been too quick to write up in Mayo without any justification and possible because he talks a good game in the newspaper.
I think like a lot of Mayo supporters my patience has just worn that little bit thin and the lame excuses won't do any more.
Totally disagree here. Say what you will about Parsons' passive, languid style where at times he can be hesitant on the ball, anyone, in my opinion, who thinks that he has poor technique kicking (or catching) a ball really doesn't know their footballers. Very few, if any, knowledgable commentators have ever said he lacks technical ability just that he lacks drive, work-rate and maybe a bit of motivation. There's a total over-reaction here to Parsons, he had a poor league final but overall a good league campaign. Previous to this he had a great debut season and an average enough one last year by his own high standards. He is also 21/22 years old, chances are if he improves his work and hits form he'll be one of the best mid-fielders in the country...because he has
the natural ability.
Quote from: GBXII on May 13, 2010, 05:36:07 PM
Quote from: Barney on May 13, 2010, 02:47:01 PM
All of this talk of Tom Parsons playing in the forward line is a load of nonsense. In my opinion the man shouldn't even be on the team.
2 years ago he was a bright prospect. Now he has the look of somebody that is never going to make it. Lazy, with a lack of physical bite, extremely poor technique are his main problems in my opinion. Like a lot of Mayo players he struggles to actually kick the football. What good is he going to do as a CHF? Kicking distribution won't be a problem. He won't track back so you will open up the whole pitch to the opposition number 11. And then if he gets in front of goal more often than not he will hit a spectacular wide.
I think moysider made a good point previously about Mayo and our lack of success in developing players. There was a raw talent there for JOM - he has gone backwards rather than being improved.
Muppet I think that is a fair point about Andy Moran. He will get away with things on the wing except for against the star player for the opposition. Maybe another player we have been too quick to write up in Mayo without any justification and possible because he talks a good game in the newspaper.
I think like a lot of Mayo supporters my patience has just worn that little bit thin and the lame excuses won't do any more.
Totally disagree here. Say what you will about Parsons' passive, languid style where at times he can be hesitant on the ball, anyone, in my opinion, who thinks that he has poor technique kicking (or catching) a ball really doesn't know their footballers. Very few, if any, knowledgable commentators have ever said he lacks technical ability just that he lacks drive, work-rate and maybe a bit of motivation. There's a total over-reaction here to Parsons, he had a poor league final but overall a good league campaign. Previous to this he had a great debut season and an average enough one last year by his own high standards. He is also 21/22 years old, chances are if he improves his work and hits form he'll be one of the best mid-fielders in the country...because he has the natural ability.
Occupational hazard with mercenaries. ;)
Ability. To do what? To get cleaned? To do nothing in a high stake match? Because that's all I see of Parsons when I watch him. Even in last year's county final I was afraid he might have done something then too, he didn't, Ginger Tiernan ran the show... Just goes to show that this 'ability' counts for nothing unless you are prepared to work your guts out.
Quote from: small white mayoman on May 13, 2010, 05:26:46 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 13, 2010, 05:14:47 PM
Quote from: Barney on May 13, 2010, 02:47:01 PM
All of this talk of Tom Parsons playing in the forward line is a load of nonsense. In my opinion the man shouldn't even be on the team.
2 years ago he was a bright prospect. Now he has the look of somebody that is never going to make it. Lazy, with a lack of physical bite, extremely poor technique are his main problems in my opinion. Like a lot of Mayo players he struggles to actually kick the football. What good is he going to do as a CHF? Kicking distribution won't be a problem. He won't track back so you will open up the whole pitch to the opposition number 11. And then if he gets in front of goal more often than not he will hit a spectacular wide.
I thought someone said a few weeks ago that he could become Mayo's greatest ever footballer or something to that effect. Must admit that raised an eyebrow with me at the time. The lad has some talent alright but I never thought of him as being THAT good.
QuoteI hate to say it but in Mayo we love to look good first and then win second. I have been thinking about this for a while and it seems im not proven wrong. We are "nice footballers". Every second shot or pass is flashy with the outside of the boot or the odd drop kick. We seem to be the only county that have that sort of style but at the end of the day, any swerved ball with the outside of the boot, or any drop kick or fancy floater takes longer to get to the target and subsequently we are not giving ourselves an advantage.
Sure they say the same thing about Galway. I believe it was Ger Loughnane who said that west of Ireland people are "too nice" (whatever that means) and he was including his native Clare in that along with the likes of Galway and Mayo.
sure we are all to nice gbb all you have to do is look at the board , look at the nordies on here they hate each other and thats before the football even comes into it , if you look at any of the westie threads we all get on like a house on fire bar sligonian of course who if you cut open his blood would be black and white ;), we wish each other luck when we loose can you imagine the nordies doing that , its time we startred to hate each other
Imagine that happening in Munster hurling for an example, where Tipp backed Clare or vice-versa!
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 13, 2010, 05:39:10 PM
Occupational hazard with mercenaries. ;)
Ah, sure you won't get them all right all the time. ;D
But we'll keep on trying to bate a bit of sense into Tom and maybe we will learn something from how you managed to make a footballer out of Alan Costello, you very own mercenary.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 13, 2010, 09:12:07 PM
Ability. To do what? To get cleaned? To do nothing in a high stake match? Because that's all I see of Parsons when I watch him. Even in last year's county final I was afraid he might have done something then too, he didn't, Ginger Tiernan ran the show... Just goes to show that this 'ability' counts for nothing unless you are prepared to work your guts out.
Have you ever wondered Farrandeelin why
work your guts out players like Ginger Tiernan never really figure in Mayo teams?
To be honest I have f**k all sympathy for the garden Mayo supporter. They expect every player to be a thrill-a-minute exhibitionist and then wonder how in hell we cant compete with teams with a realistic approach with seriously hard durable players in the ranks.
We get what we have demanded to an extent. I have come across very few people who wanted Tiernan in a Mayo shirt. He d have always been in there if i had anything to do with it by the way. Most Mayo fans want high fielders and dummy sellers.
I think we're being harsh on Parsons by the way. If he cant come through then there is little hope for likes of Daniel Kirby and other serious talent coming up. I have my doubts Hanley would have come on either. At senior level we are seriously failing to develop players. And it s not the players problem. And it s not just Parsons. He still plays like a 17 yr old. But as I ve said before, so too does Trevor Mortimor who has been playing senior for ten years.
Quote from: moysider on May 13, 2010, 11:22:03 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 13, 2010, 09:12:07 PM
Ability. To do what? To get cleaned? To do nothing in a high stake match? Because that's all I see of Parsons when I watch him. Even in last year's county final I was afraid he might have done something then too, he didn't, Ginger Tiernan ran the show... Just goes to show that this 'ability' counts for nothing unless you are prepared to work your guts out.
Have you ever wondered Farrandeelin why work your guts out players like Ginger Tiernan never really figure in Mayo teams?
To be honest I have f**k all sympathy for the garden Mayo supporter. They expect every player to be a thrill-a-minute exhibitionist and then wonder how in hell we cant compete with teams with a realistic approach with seriously hard durable players in the ranks.
We get what we have demanded to an extent. I have come across very few people who wanted Tiernan in a Mayo shirt. He d have always been in there if i had anything to do with it by the way. Most Mayo fans want high fielders and dummy sellers.
I think we're being harsh on Parsons by the way. If he cant come through then there is little hope for likes of Daniel Kirby and other serious talent coming up. I have my doubts Hanley would have come on either. At senior level we are seriously failing to develop players. And it s not the players problem. And it s not just Parsons. He still plays like a 17 yr old. But as I ve said before, so too does Trevor Mortimor who has been playing senior for ten years.
Tiernan dis play for queit a few years for mayo and never made much of an impression. it very easy to shout for names when they are no longer on the team I can guess the reaction if andy or parsons were dropped . 2 fine players who have been rubbished it in the last few days.
People should really kop themselves on.
If aidan o shea is too slow for no.11 he is too slow to ever do any real damage at no.14. You need a burst of pace at no.14. What scoring damage did he do last year (someone mentioned this)? Fisted goal against Meath, one point against Galway. 1 goal against Ros on a day when we got 3-18. That not hectic.
He has a very accurate kick from long distance, is an option for kick out's. He can have more space to get his stride going. HE can be fast if he gets into his stride and would be hard stopped. He doesnt have cuteness to play in the full-forward line (yet- comes with age)!. I'd also give the freedom every now and then to drift into the full forward line when playing at 11. This would keep the number 6 guessing and he may sneak in the odd time for goal. Sean Cavanagh was a master of this in his earlier days. The tyrone boys would cover him as he drifted in for scores and was usually unmarked. It obviously has to be done with subtlety.
No point in playing Seamie O'Shea as an 11. He is the partner McGarrity has needed for the last few years. Seamie will do the grafting, hard hitting. McGarrity and Parsons were too similar.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 13, 2010, 11:10:50 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 13, 2010, 05:39:10 PM
Occupational hazard with mercenaries. ;)
Ah, sure you won't get them all right all the time. ;D
But we'll keep on trying to bate a bit of sense into Tom and maybe we will learn something from how you managed to make a footballer out of Alan Costello, you very own mercenary.
Alan went to mayo first, and then when ye closed the door on him with yere arrogance intact, he legitimately threw in his lot with us. Thanks :D. That one could come back to haunt ye on June 5th but either way we are glad to have him ;).
He looks happy and thats all that matters and in fairness we do develop great footballers.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn67/SLIGONIAN2007/costelloa.jpg)
Quote from: rosnarun on May 13, 2010, 11:27:56 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 13, 2010, 11:22:03 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 13, 2010, 09:12:07 PM
Ability. To do what? To get cleaned? To do nothing in a high stake match? Because that's all I see of Parsons when I watch him. Even in last year's county final I was afraid he might have done something then too, he didn't, Ginger Tiernan ran the show... Just goes to show that this 'ability' counts for nothing unless you are prepared to work your guts out.
Have you ever wondered Farrandeelin why work your guts out players like Ginger Tiernan never really figure in Mayo teams?
To be honest I have f**k all sympathy for the garden Mayo supporter. They expect every player to be a thrill-a-minute exhibitionist and then wonder how in hell we cant compete with teams with a realistic approach with seriously hard durable players in the ranks.
We get what we have demanded to an extent. I have come across very few people who wanted Tiernan in a Mayo shirt. He d have always been in there if i had anything to do with it by the way. Most Mayo fans want high fielders and dummy sellers.
I think we're being harsh on Parsons by the way. If he cant come through then there is little hope for likes of Daniel Kirby and other serious talent coming up. I have my doubts Hanley would have come on either. At senior level we are seriously failing to develop players. And it s not the players problem. And it s not just Parsons. He still plays like a 17 yr old. But as I ve said before, so too does Trevor Mortimor who has been playing senior for ten years.
Tiernan dis play for queit a few years for mayo and never made much of an impression. it very easy to shout for names when they are no longer on the team I can guess the reaction if andy or parsons were dropped . 2 fine players who have been rubbished it in the last few days.
People should really kop themselves on.
Tiernan was never a regular starter with the county and stupidly was seen as an out and out midfielder by management. He was too short for that but he should have been used in the Paul Galvin roll before Galvin was ever heard of. Just take the chain off and let him loose. People forget how good a point kicker he is as well. We're crying out for a player like that now. He was way ahead of what Andy or Trevor could ever be in that dog role.
I agree with you about the rubbishing of players. But players are the most obvious target for pissed off fans - especially when the management is beyond reproach. This management has got away with murder and will continue to do so. I ll be reminded shortly that this management should be judged after this championship. Yawn. I ll be getting a similar memo this time next year after the annual, end- of -season spin/hide and seek shenanigans start next July or August. And we ll be told that the great plan will come to fruition in '11.
Quote from: moysider on May 13, 2010, 11:52:58 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 13, 2010, 11:27:56 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 13, 2010, 11:22:03 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 13, 2010, 09:12:07 PM
Ability. To do what? To get cleaned? To do nothing in a high stake match? Because that's all I see of Parsons when I watch him. Even in last year's county final I was afraid he might have done something then too, he didn't, Ginger Tiernan ran the show... Just goes to show that this 'ability' counts for nothing unless you are prepared to work your guts out.
Have you ever wondered Farrandeelin why work your guts out players like Ginger Tiernan never really figure in Mayo teams?
To be honest I have f**k all sympathy for the garden Mayo supporter. They expect every player to be a thrill-a-minute exhibitionist and then wonder how in hell we cant compete with teams with a realistic approach with seriously hard durable players in the ranks.
We get what we have demanded to an extent. I have come across very few people who wanted Tiernan in a Mayo shirt. He d have always been in there if i had anything to do with it by the way. Most Mayo fans want high fielders and dummy sellers.
I think we're being harsh on Parsons by the way. If he cant come through then there is little hope for likes of Daniel Kirby and other serious talent coming up. I have my doubts Hanley would have come on either. At senior level we are seriously failing to develop players. And it s not the players problem. And it s not just Parsons. He still plays like a 17 yr old. But as I ve said before, so too does Trevor Mortimor who has been playing senior for ten years.
Tiernan dis play for queit a few years for mayo and never made much of an impression. it very easy to shout for names when they are no longer on the team I can guess the reaction if andy or parsons were dropped . 2 fine players who have been rubbished it in the last few days.
People should really kop themselves on.
Tiernan was never a regular starter with the county and stupidly was seen as an out and out midfielder by management. He was too short for that but he should have been used in the Paul Galvin roll before Galvin was ever heard of. Just take the chain off and let him loose. People forget how good a point kicker he is as well. We're crying out for a player like that now. He was way ahead of what Andy or Trevor could ever be in that dog role.
I agree with you about the rubbishing of players. But players are the most obvious target for pissed off fans - especially when the management is beyond reproach. This management has got away with murder and will continue to do so. I ll be reminded shortly that this management should be judged after this championship. Yawn. I ll be getting a similar memo this time next year after the annual, end- of -season spin/hide and seek shenanigans start next July or August. And we ll be told that the great plan will come to fruition in '11.
Totally agree , Ginger did not play senior for Mayo until he was 25 or 26 . It was 2002 when he played the season that Cork beat Mayo in Q/final. He did play for mayo in the All ireland U21 final. I guess our manager in the mid- late 1990 (the master tactician that he was and is) did not think he was worthwhile.Truly an inspirational player, so many young lads look up to him.
As for Parsons, let 's not write him off yet O Mahoney did a piss poor job with him last year. Brought him on with two mins to go in Connaught final. , Played him full forward V Meath,took him off, then brought him back on again. To be honest, after the league final, I came away with the impression that Mcgarrity was a lot worse than Parsons, his kicking was brutal. Parson got caught in possession a few times, but still way more potential than Mcgarrity ansd o Shea, Will it ever be realized, that is the question. I agree it is time he stepped up.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 13, 2010, 11:33:14 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 13, 2010, 11:10:50 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 13, 2010, 05:39:10 PM
Occupational hazard with mercenaries. ;)
Ah, sure you won't get them all right all the time. ;D
But we'll keep on trying to bate a bit of sense into Tom and maybe we will learn something from how you managed to make a footballer out of Alan Costello, you very own mercenary.
Alan went to mayo first, and then when ye closed the door on him with yere arrogance intact, he legitimately threw in his lot with us. Thanks :D. That one could come back to haunt ye on June 5th but either way we are glad to have him ;).
He looks happy and thats all that matters and in fairness we do develop great footballers.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn67/SLIGONIAN2007/costelloa.jpg)
I know you were only ripping the piss Lar. I m delighted for Alan Costello Sligonian. Always had the height of time for him. Another of these Mayo casualties. We have a lot of people in Mayo who look after teams and look at games with arms folded and have synchronised head nodding.
forget about Costello . its easy to look good in Division 3 he would not get near the mayo panel now or ever . he knew what he was doing when he decided to take the step down .
how people can belittle mayo's current players who have brought mayo to be consistently one of the top 5 teams in the country ang Glorify teams from lower divisions and OAP's just Proves how right Trevor Mortimer was .
Sure I slag JOM off as much as any one but if he ever got us into the position SLigo are now I dont think id be able to get near the front of the Queue to hang Draw and Quarter him. his great failing is not improving mayo . being very pissed off at losing Primary national finals is not a heartbreak sligo have had for a long time or Ever!
Quote from: moysider on May 14, 2010, 12:53:45 AM
I know you were only ripping the piss Lar. I m delighted for Alan Costello Sligonian. Always had the height of time for him. Another of these Mayo casualties. We have a lot of people in Mayo who look after teams and look at games with arms folded and have synchronised head nodding.
Of course I was. Alan was a most promising young player and I often wondered why he dropped out of the picture so quickly. I genuinely wish him the best of luck- as long as it's not Connacht Semi-Final luck, if you know what I mean.
Quote from: rosnarun on May 14, 2010, 01:58:29 AM
forget about Costello . its easy to look good in Division 3 he would not get near the mayo panel now or ever . he knew what he was doing when he decided to take the step down .
how people can belittle mayo's current players who have brought mayo to be consistently one of the top 5 teams in the country ang Glorify teams from lower divisions and OAP's just Proves how right Trevor Mortimer was .
Sure I slag JOM off as much as any one but if he ever got us into the position SLigo are now I dont think id be able to get near the front of the Queue to hang Draw and Quarter him. his great failing is not improving mayo . being very pissed off at losing Primary national finals is not a heartbreak sligo have had for a long time or Ever!
I'm not glorifying OAPs rosnarun, I'm just saying he ran the show for C'town in the county final last year along with other ones who wee prepared to work, whereas Parsons didn't make that much of an impression on me. Now he's playing on Sunday against Knockmore in the league so I'll judge him then as well of course. He surely should stand heads and shoulders over any Knockmore midfielder at the moment.... shouldn't he?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 14, 2010, 02:00:11 AM
Quote from: moysider on May 14, 2010, 12:53:45 AM
I know you were only ripping the piss Lar. I m delighted for Alan Costello Sligonian. Always had the height of time for him. Another of these Mayo casualties. We have a lot of people in Mayo who look after teams and look at games with arms folded and have synchronised head nodding.
Of course I was. Alan was a most promising young player and I often wondered why he dropped out of the picture so quickly. I genuinely wish him the best of luck- as long as it's not Connacht Semi-Final luck, if you know what I mean.
Costello always lacked a yard of pace.
He didnt get much of a look in at Senior level in Mayo because of it. But I always liked him as a player, he was as honest as the day is long and was powerful for his age and caused considerable problems to defences he ran at.
Correct me if im wrong but I think he transferred from Balla to a club in Sligo and subsequently got a trial and call up. I dont blame him one bit and am delighted for him that he made it. He is a good player, but I suppose there was a battle for places on the Mayo squad and he just happen to come at a time when there was similar decent forwards involved.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 13, 2010, 09:12:07 PM
Ability. To do what? To get cleaned? To do nothing in a high stake match? Because that's all I see of Parsons when I watch him. Even in last year's county final I was afraid he might have done something then too, he didn't, Ginger Tiernan ran the show... Just goes to show that this 'ability' counts for nothing unless you are prepared to work your guts out.
Why are you writing Parsons off so quickly? He has more natural talent than any other mid-fielder we have and yes he needs to improve his work-rate but it's not like that's impossible. And yes Ginger is/was a serious player for Charlestown, their best by a good bit but Parsons does/has worked really well with Ginger and there's no way Charlestown would have made the county final without Parsons as well. Totally agree he has to show more guts but we should be trying to incourage our better players not put them down.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 13, 2010, 11:28:52 PM
If Aidan o Shea is too slow for no.11 he is too slow to ever do any real damage at no.14. You need a burst of pace at no.14. What scoring damage did he do last year (someone mentioned this)? Fisted goal against Meath, one point against Galway. 1 goal against Ros on a day when we got 3-18. That not hectic.
He has a very accurate kick from long distance, is an option for kick out's. He can have more space to get his stride going. HE can be fast if he gets into his stride and would be hard stopped. He doesnt have cuteness to play in the full-forward line (yet- comes with age)!. I'd also give the freedom every now and then to drift into the full forward line when playing at 11. This would keep the number 6 guessing and he may sneak in the odd time for goal. Sean Cavanagh was a master of this in his earlier days. The tyrone boys would cover him as he drifted in for scores and was usually unmarked. It obviously has to be done with subtlety.
No point in playing Seamie O'Shea as an 11. He is the partner McGarrity has needed for the last few years. Seamie will do the grafting, hard hitting. McGarrity and Parsons were too similar.
Burst of pace at 14??In fairness that's utter rubbish, 11 is where you need a "burst of pace" not 14. Traditionally (see Eoin Liston, Tommy Dowd, Jimmy Keavney etc) 14 is where the bigger,slower players play because pace isn't really an issue.Donaghy doesn't have any great pace but is a brilliant no. 14, Michael Murphy isn't particularly fast and is excellent at fullforward. If there is any position on the field that you can get away with being lacking in a bit of pace it's Full Forward. A O'Shea isn't particularly fast but can use his strength very well to get a bit of space to get a shot away and because he's not further out the field he can cause more damage closer in. Can't believe I've just had to explain that!
Some of yee obviuosly havent seen Costello in the flesh by what yer saying, ye might be suprised when ye see his turn of pace ;).
I would much rather see positive criticism of Mayo players such as 'he is a better corner forward than a....'.
Instead we have lots of people posting negative stuff about our own players. Do you understand the word supporters
From now on I want so see more of the following:
Instead of 'he is too slow' ........................................say 'he is a great _____ but might need some speed work'
Instead of 'he should never play IC football' ................say 'a good lad but I'd prefer _____'
Instead of 'his is a crap defender'.............................. say 'he could play ____ but might find it hard to get his place'
Instead of 'he can't kick snow off a rope'....................say 'he has good_____ skills but need more ball work'
From now the above rules apply to all Mayo supporters and enough of the personal attacks on our own team.
/high horse
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QuoteInstead we have lots of people posting negative stuff about our own players. Do you understand the word supporters
It may be negative but it is also reality. Too many Mayo lads have been built up to legend status without warranting it.
Muppet I think we are all sick and tired of some of the dross that has been produced. If the players are not looking at themselves and their colleagues in similar terms we are going nowhere.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 14, 2010, 11:55:40 AM
Some of yee obviuosly havent seen Costello in the flesh by what yer saying, ye might be suprised when ye see his turn of pace ;).
Oh, no we won't be surprised at all but yee will certainly be. ;D
Just wait and see how fast he scarpers out od the place when mighty Mayo turn up the volume!
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 14, 2010, 12:57:58 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 14, 2010, 11:55:40 AM
Some of yee obviuosly havent seen Costello in the flesh by what yer saying, ye might be suprised when ye see his turn of pace ;).
Oh, no we won't be surprised at all but yee will certainly be. ;D
Just wait and see how fast he scarpers out od the place when mighty Mayo turn up the volume!
No doubt we are really scared ;) its not our players you see in the papers everyday, I see Aidan O Shea has the bug today on Hoganstand, who has JOM next in line to spin the media.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 14, 2010, 01:37:58 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 14, 2010, 12:57:58 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 14, 2010, 11:55:40 AM
Some of yee obviuosly havent seen Costello in the flesh by what yer saying, ye might be suprised when ye see his turn of pace ;).
Oh, no we won't be surprised at all but yee will certainly be. ;D
Just wait and see how fast he scarpers out od the place when mighty Mayo turn up the volume!
No doubt we are really scared ;) its not our players you see in the papers everyday, I see Aidan O Shea has the bug today on Hoganstand, who has JOM next in line to spin the media.
I have known and watched him for quite a while, maybe 15 years or so.
Im not sure would he be up to the pace of Kilcoyne, Dillon, Trev Mort, Conor Mort, Andy Moran, Mark Ronaldson etc. He is by no means slow, but he was fighting for his place against some fast and neat forwards at the time.
Lar is right, its Ok being out in front and first to the ball in Div 3. :P
When Mayo turn up the heat we will see can keep up. ;)
Quote from: GBXII on May 14, 2010, 10:49:15 AM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 13, 2010, 11:28:52 PM
If Aidan o Shea is too slow for no.11 he is too slow to ever do any real damage at no.14.
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Burst of pace at 14??In fairness that's utter rubbish, 11 is where you need a "burst of pace" not 14. Traditionally (see Eoin Liston, Tommy Dowd, Jimmy Keavney etc) 14 is where the bigger,slower players play because pace isn't really an issue.Donaghy doesn't have any great pace but is a brilliant no. 14, Michael Murphy isn't particularly fast and is excellent at fullforward. If there is any position on the field that you can get away with being lacking in a bit of pace it's Full Forward. A O'Shea isn't particularly fast but can use his strength very well to get a bit of space to get a shot away and because he's not further out the field he can cause more damage closer in. Can't believe I've just had to explain that!
Good post GBXII, you have more patience than me!
OK, Parsons is a mighty player, he just needs to show it when it counts. Happy now everyone!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 14, 2010, 05:03:04 PM
OK, Parsons is a mighty player, he just needs to show it when it counts. Happy now everyone!
extremely immature post seen alot of Mayo league this year and thought parsons had few very good games hes still 22 so cannot be expectin to much when we didnt have players to guide him along when was throw in as a buckeen
Sligo will play Galway in the Connacht Junior Football final before the Senior game on June 5th after both won well tonight
Quote from: spuds on May 14, 2010, 05:28:17 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 14, 2010, 05:03:04 PM
OK, Parsons is a mighty player, he just needs to show it when it counts. Happy now everyone!
extremely immature post seen alot of Mayo league this year and thought parsons had few very good games hes still 22 so cannot be expectin to much when we didnt have players to guide him along when was throw in as a buckeen
+1
(I have been waiting for a chance to use that laddybuck for a long time.) ;D
I still think Tom Parsons has the makings of a mighty player. If any one needs a boot up the ass, I'd look at the older players around him or the manager maybe before I'd aim one at this young fella.
Moysider puts it very well here:
I think we're being harsh on Parsons by the way. If he cant come through then there is little hope for likes of Daniel Kirby and other serious talent coming up. I have my doubts Hanley would have come on either. At senior level we are seriously failing to develop players. And it s not the players problem. And it s not just Parsons. He still plays like a 17 yr old. But as I ve said before, so too does Trevor Mortimor who has been playing senior for ten years.Like Aidan O'Shea, he is being asked to take on too much, too fast. With a bit of luck and a lot of skilful guidance, the pair of them will mature into outstanding players.
The league brought on a lot of young players; that includes Tom and Aidan. Okay, the pair of them took a bit of a mauling in the final but so did a lot of more senior players who should have stepped up to the mark and led by example.
Don't be too hard on any of the buckeens; we're going to need all we have and maybe a few more besides before we can start having notions about anything.
for some posters here who are slagging mayo off seem to be basing their whole assessment of mayo on Croke park performances . Calling this mayo team Dross and rubbisj beggars belief. Mayo have had a very fine league campaign, showing real gut and character esp in Celtic park and omagh. Omagh in particular was as ballsy a performance as ive seen From Mayo in a long time yet a lot of poster are writing mayos league campaign as a disaster . why do i susoect tat the only games some people saw were the dublin and second cork games. they berate the players that got mayo to a DIV ine final while Lusting after Division 3 players we have 'found out' long ago and guys at the end of their careers
There was a hell of a lot more good than bad with the mayo league campaign
Quote from: GBXII on May 14, 2010, 10:49:15 AM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 13, 2010, 11:28:52 PM
If Aidan o Shea is too slow for no.11 he is too slow to ever do any real damage at no.14. You need a burst of pace at no.14. What scoring damage did he do last year (someone mentioned this)? Fisted goal against Meath, one point against Galway. 1 goal against Ros on a day when we got 3-18. That not hectic.
He has a very accurate kick from long distance, is an option for kick out's. He can have more space to get his stride going. HE can be fast if he gets into his stride and would be hard stopped. He doesnt have cuteness to play in the full-forward line (yet- comes with age)!. I'd also give the freedom every now and then to drift into the full forward line when playing at 11. This would keep the number 6 guessing and he may sneak in the odd time for goal. Sean Cavanagh was a master of this in his earlier days. The tyrone boys would cover him as he drifted in for scores and was usually unmarked. It obviously has to be done with subtlety.
No point in playing Seamie O'Shea as an 11. He is the partner McGarrity has needed for the last few years. Seamie will do the grafting, hard hitting. McGarrity and Parsons were too similar.
Burst of pace at 14??In fairness that's utter rubbish, 11 is where you need a "burst of pace" not 14. Traditionally (see Eoin Liston, Tommy Dowd, Jimmy Keavney etc) 14 is where the bigger,slower players play because pace isn't really an issue.Donaghy doesn't have any great pace but is a brilliant no. 14, Michael Murphy isn't particularly fast and is excellent at fullforward. If there is any position on the field that you can get away with being lacking in a bit of pace it's Full Forward. A O'Shea isn't particularly fast but can use his strength very well to get a bit of space to get a shot away and because he's not further out the field he can cause more damage closer in. Can't believe I've just had to explain that!
Agree totally. Full forward is the place for AOS. His play just needs tweaking rather than a complete overhaul. A few more offloads to oncoming players, and he can still take on his man every 4th or 5th ball, that'll keep the defender honest.
One point I have to disagree with, however. Donaghy is extremely fast over the first 5 yards, especially for a big man. Its probably due to his basketball background that his footwork is very good. IMO that, and his great hands, is why he stands out as the best.
Quote from: rosnarun on May 15, 2010, 07:15:20 PM
for some posters here who are slagging mayo off seem to be basing their whole assessment of mayo on Croke park performances . Calling this mayo team Dross and rubbisj beggars belief. Mayo have had a very fine league campaign, showing real gut and character esp in Celtic park and omagh. Omagh in particular was as ballsy a performance as ive seen From Mayo in a long time yet a lot of poster are writing mayos league campaign as a disaster . why do i susoect tat the only games some people saw were the dublin and second cork games. they berate the players that got mayo to a DIV ine final while Lusting after Division 3 players we have 'found out' long ago and guys at the end of their careers
There was a hell of a lot more good than bad with the mayo league campaign
Excellent Post there rosnarun
Am I the only person who thought that Mayo weren't trying too hard in the league final. Also they were missing several likely starters for the championship (Higgins, Gardiner, McGarrity, Harte, B Moran, Kilcoyne). O'Mahoney is the master at playing down expectations of his team while at the same time building up the opposition. We only won a division 3 final while Mayo won all bar 2 of their division 1 games and lost a league final where they didn't look too interested and missing half their starters. Sounds like O'Mahony is playing mind games again and it seems to have worked as all the Mayo men on this board are writing off their chances already.
He did this to Sligo before in 2000 (i think). Sligo beat Mayo in the first round and were playing Galway at home in the semi final. Sligo people lost the run of themselves (and obviously the team also) and at half time the score was 11 points to 0 and ended something like 22 to 4..
I wouldn't get too carried away as a Sligo supporter. Mayo will be well prepared for the game and will have all their main men playing and will be playing with an intensity that was missing in the league final.
Kildare 1-16 Sligo 2-13
THERE was good news for Kildare supporters as Dermot Earley came on as a second half substitute as the Lilywhites drew with Sligo in a challenge at Stephen O'Rourke Memorial Park yesterday.
A 10th minute goal by wing-back Keith Cribbin gave the hosts an early advantage. But with Tony Taylor gradually getting into the game at midfield after a strong start by Darryl Flynn and David Whyte, the visitors clawed themselves back into proceedings.
A 25th minute penalty from Stephen Coen left it at 1-10 to 1-7 at half time but with Johnny Doyle in cracking form after the resumption, Kildare pulled clear again. Sligo continued to plug away though and Colm Magee fired into the corner in the 51st minute after a pass from Eamonn O'Hara. Points from O'Hara, Magee and Coen saw Sligo hit the front but a brace from Doyle gave Kildare the lead with time running out before Noel Maguire popped up to secure a draw.
KILDARE: S McCormack; P Kelly, G White, H McGrillen; K Cribbin 1-2, B Flanagan, M O'Flaherty; D Flynn, D Whyte; J Kavanagh 0-2, J Doyle 0-7(4fs), R Sweeney 0-2; A Smith 0-1, E Callaghan 0-1, K Donnelly 0-1.
Subs: T O'Connor for Donnelly (55); D Earley for Kavanagh (60); D Hendy for White (63)
SLIGO: P Greene; C Harrison, N Maguire 0-1, R Donovan; K Cawley, B Phillips, J Davey; T Taylor, S Gilmartin; A Costello 0-1, E O'Hara 0-2; S Davey 0-1; S Coen 1-4(1-0 pen, 0-3fs), K Sweeney, C Magee 1-4(0-4fs)
Referee: E Kinsella (Laois).
Quote from: Mano on May 17, 2010, 11:25:21 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 15, 2010, 07:15:20 PM
for some posters here who are slagging mayo off seem to be basing their whole assessment of mayo on Croke park performances . Calling this mayo team Dross and rubbisj beggars belief. Mayo have had a very fine league campaign, showing real gut and character esp in Celtic park and omagh. Omagh in particular was as ballsy a performance as ive seen From Mayo in a long time yet a lot of poster are writing mayos league campaign as a disaster . why do i susoect tat the only games some people saw were the dublin and second cork games. they berate the players that got mayo to a DIV ine final while Lusting after Division 3 players we have 'found out' long ago and guys at the end of their careers
There was a hell of a lot more good than bad with the mayo league campaign
Excellent Post there rosnarun
Am I the only person who thought that Mayo weren't trying too hard in the league final. Also they were missing several likely starters for the championship (Higgins, Gardiner, McGarrity, Harte, B Moran, Kilcoyne). O'Mahoney is the master at playing down expectations of his team while at the same time building up the opposition. We only won a division 3 final while Mayo won all bar 2 of their division 1 games and lost a league final where they didn't look too interested and missing half their starters. Sounds like O'Mahony is playing mind games again and it seems to have worked as all the Mayo men on this board are writing off their chances already.
He did this to Sligo before in 2000 (i think). Sligo beat Mayo in the first round and were playing Galway at home in the semi final. Sligo people lost the run of themselves (and obviously the team also) and at half time the score was 11 points to 0 and ended something like 22 to 4..
I wouldn't get too carried away as a Sligo supporter. Mayo will be well prepared for the game and will have all their main men playing and will be playing with an intensity that was missing in the league final.
What a load of rubbish, i guess this is the kinda stuff EOH has had to listen to all his career down south, i remember him criticising sligo fans for having no belief in the team,
Are you that naive and stupid that you think JOM basically threw the National League final? It looks like JOM has worked his magic on you. So the players went up to Croke park and decided to not put in much effort ::) so they can get a backlash from fans and keep the hype down.
In 2000 it was completely different, we hadnt as good a team as we do now, and mayo dont have a FF line of Finneagan, P Joyce(in his prime) and derek savage, they dont have a half forward line of Donnellan, Ja Fallon etc....you'll be spouting the same shite if we beat mayo heading down to galway. I dont want to hear this negative shite.
Look the fact is SLIGO are 11/4 and Mayo are 4/11 with the bookies, JOM thinks he fools us, does he fck, just because JOM bigs us up doesnt mean jack shit to me or the Sligo Players. We know we have to do our talking on the pitch. I believe we will win, the players believe and I wont feel any guilt for feeling that way.
Mayo having been throwing finals for years now so we can lull Sligo into a false sense of security, it all makes sense. Sligonian is right, you simply have to believe you can win, too many times in finals before the ball was thrown in you could see Mayo were beaten already, galway were the same against kerry in the replayed final in the early 2000s, beaten before throw in.The problem is making players believe they can win, now theres a problem for you Sligonian.
Quote from: Mano on May 17, 2010, 11:25:21 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 15, 2010, 07:15:20 PM
for some posters here who are slagging mayo off seem to be basing their whole assessment of mayo on Croke park performances . Calling this mayo team Dross and rubbisj beggars belief. Mayo have had a very fine league campaign, showing real gut and character esp in Celtic park and omagh. Omagh in particular was as ballsy a performance as ive seen From Mayo in a long time yet a lot of poster are writing mayos league campaign as a disaster . why do i susoect tat the only games some people saw were the dublin and second cork games. they berate the players that got mayo to a DIV ine final while Lusting after Division 3 players we have 'found out' long ago and guys at the end of their careers
There was a hell of a lot more good than bad with the mayo league campaign
Excellent Post there rosnarun
Am I the only person who thought that Mayo weren't trying too hard in the league final. Also they were missing several likely starters for the championship (Higgins, Gardiner, McGarrity, Harte, B Moran, Kilcoyne). O'Mahoney is the master at playing down expectations of his team while at the same time building up the opposition. We only won a division 3 final while Mayo won all bar 2 of their division 1 games and lost a league final where they didn't look too interested and missing half their starters. Sounds like O'Mahony is playing mind games again and it seems to have worked as all the Mayo men on this board are writing off their chances already.
He did this to Sligo before in 2000 (i think). Sligo beat Mayo in the first round and were playing Galway at home in the semi final. Sligo people lost the run of themselves (and obviously the team also) and at half time the score was 11 points to 0 and ended something like 22 to 4..
I wouldn't get too carried away as a Sligo supporter. Mayo will be well prepared for the game and will have all their main men playing and will be playing with an intensity that was missing in the league final.
I dont know if thats what Ros was trying to say but that's is some theory Mano.
Your suggesting that Mayo were not trying too hard, and are some sort of psychological geniuses that deliberately lost in an NFL final to lower expectations?
LMAO!
If anything Mayo needed to win that final more than you might think. To win some silverware and a final in Croke Park would have meant more than anything to this current crop, and may have even banished some of the hoodoo about Mayo losing finals in Croker.
Will Mayo people please stop saying Barry Mpran has to come back in to the Mayo Team.
He was NEVER in it long enough in the first place !! I can see him getting injured in the warm up for the Sligo game and he will disappear again for another 12 months!!
Quote from: GBXII on May 14, 2010, 10:49:15 AM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 13, 2010, 11:28:52 PM
If Aidan o Shea is too slow for no.11 he is too slow to ever do any real damage at no.14. You need a burst of pace at no.14. What scoring damage did he do last year (someone mentioned this)? Fisted goal against Meath, one point against Galway. 1 goal against Ros on a day when we got 3-18. That not hectic.
He has a very accurate kick from long distance, is an option for kick out's. He can have more space to get his stride going. HE can be fast if he gets into his stride and would be hard stopped. He doesnt have cuteness to play in the full-forward line (yet- comes with age)!. I'd also give the freedom every now and then to drift into the full forward line when playing at 11. This would keep the number 6 guessing and he may sneak in the odd time for goal. Sean Cavanagh was a master of this in his earlier days. The tyrone boys would cover him as he drifted in for scores and was usually unmarked. It obviously has to be done with subtlety.
No point in playing Seamie O'Shea as an 11. He is the partner McGarrity has needed for the last few years. Seamie will do the grafting, hard hitting. McGarrity and Parsons were too similar.
Burst of pace at 14??In fairness that's utter rubbish, 11 is where you need a "burst of pace" not 14. Traditionally (see Eoin Liston, Tommy Dowd, Jimmy Keavney etc) 14 is where the bigger,slower players play because pace isn't really an issue.Donaghy doesn't have any great pace but is a brilliant no. 14, Michael Murphy isn't particularly fast and is excellent at fullforward. If there is any position on the field that you can get away with being lacking in a bit of pace it's Full Forward. A O'Shea isn't particularly fast but can use his strength very well to get a bit of space to get a shot away and because he's not further out the field he can cause more damage closer in. Can't believe I've just had to explain that!
Those players were all exceptional at bringing others into play. Thats why they were so good at 14. Donaghy has the burst and he has an amazing catch. Michael Murphy is just a naturally gifted forward. They all get away without pace because they have other outstanding attributes. Aidan O'Shea isn't a natural footballer. He doesnt have the intelligence to bring other players into the game yet. And i'm not so sure about his so-called strength. Think there is a fair bit of puppy fat going on. I've yet to see him really get a full-back out of the way yet with his stength.
Don't get me wrong Sligonian as i seem to have upset you (not too difficult) i believe we can win this game. I'm from the same school as Eamon as when we played club together we always believed before we went on pitch together that we were going to win.
Mayo boys on here are doing their best to make us believe we only have to turn up to win. They were missing half their team for that game - all the guys i mentioned earlier. Did you see the league final (you were at the game) Mayo weren't exactly at the races were they? Perhaps they had some heavy training done as their was a lot of heavy legs. All i'm saying is Mayo are not as bad as what they showed in the league final.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 17, 2010, 11:55:46 AM
In 2000 it was completely different, we hadnt as good a team as we do now, and mayo dont have a FF line of Finneagan, P Joyce(in his prime) and derek savage, they dont have a half forward line of Donnellan, Ja Fallon etc....you'll be spouting the same shite if we beat mayo heading down to galway. I dont want to hear this negative shite.
Fallon wasn't playing - he was injured as was K Walshe and Divilly and O'Mahony made sure everyone knew about it in the build up to the game. We had most of the team which beat Kildare and Tyrone the following 2 years - which i would consider to be a good team.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 17, 2010, 11:55:46 AM
What a load of rubbish, i guess this is the kinda stuff EOH has had to listen to all his career down south, i remember him criticising sligo fans for having no belief in the team,
You are the clown that wants to leave EOH on the sideline for the Mayo game-shows how much you know ::)
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 17, 2010, 12:59:32 PM
Aidan O'Shea isn't a natural footballer.
One of the worst and craziest statements I have seen written here in a long time.
AOS is a fine footballer.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 17, 2010, 12:59:32 PM
He doesnt have the intelligence to bring other players into the game yet.
So if he doesnt have the intelligence to bring other people into the game yet your on about putting him at centre forward, which is a playmakers position and you are basing your whole argument on the fact that he needs to be there to be able to "build up some speed" and "add some height to the forward line" ?
Even though you were told he doent have the stamina or pace for the half forward line (where there is much more involved that at FF) ?
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 17, 2010, 12:59:32 PM
And i'm not so sure about his so-called strength.
He is the strongest 18-19 year old guy that I have ever laid eyes on. In fact, the way he breaks the tackle, and has the power to hold a man off to get a shot of is nothing short of a phenomenon for his age.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 17, 2010, 12:59:32 PM
Think there is a fair bit of puppy fat going on.
Nobody is perfect
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Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 17, 2010, 12:59:32 PM
I've yet to see him really get a full-back out of the way yet with his stength.
Are you for real? O Shea swatted Conor Gormley around McHale park in the league the year before last and he would have been rated as one of the best in the country. There is massive penetration to O Shea and he sometimes has defenders hanging off him and he still burst through. Against Cork he was swarmed in the NFL final but that was obviously a tactic.
You seem to have an awful set on the lad and cant accept other opinions.
Quote from: Mano on May 17, 2010, 02:29:18 PM
Don't get me wrong Sligonian as i seem to have upset you (not too difficult) i believe we can win this game. I'm from the same school as Eamon as when we played club together we always believed before we went on pitch together that we were going to win.
Mayo boys on here are doing their best to make us believe we only have to turn up to win. They were missing half their team for that game - all the guys i mentioned earlier. Did you see the league final (you were at the game) Mayo weren't exactly at the races were they? Perhaps they had some heavy training done as their was a lot of heavy legs. All i'm saying is Mayo are not as bad as what they showed in the league final.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 17, 2010, 11:55:46 AM
In 2000 it was completely different, we hadnt as good a team as we do now, and mayo dont have a FF line of Finneagan, P Joyce(in his prime) and derek savage, they dont have a half forward line of Donnellan, Ja Fallon etc....you'll be spouting the same shite if we beat mayo heading down to galway. I dont want to hear this negative shite.
Fallon wasn't playing - he was injured as was K Walshe and Divilly and O'Mahony made sure everyone knew about it in the build up to the game. We had most of the team which beat Kildare and Tyrone the following 2 years - which i would consider to be a good team.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 17, 2010, 11:55:46 AM
What a load of rubbish, i guess this is the kinda stuff EOH has had to listen to all his career down south, i remember him criticising sligo fans for having no belief in the team,
You are the clown that wants to leave EOH on the sideline for the Mayo game-shows how much you know ::)
You really think any of the players missing would have made a big difference to Mayo on the day? Higgins and McGarrity maybe a bit but that's about it. Cork were missing far more. The other lads are hardly world beaters.
I would still make Mayo favourites to beat Sligo but to say that they somehow were not trying against Cork is ludicrous. As if Mayo can afford to pass up on winning any kind of national final in Croke Park.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 17, 2010, 12:59:32 PM
Those players were all exceptional at bringing others into play. Thats why they were so good at 14. Donaghy has the burst and he has an amazing catch. Michael Murphy is just a naturally gifted forward. They all get away without pace because they have other outstanding attributes. Aidan O'Shea isn't a natural footballer. He doesnt have the intelligence to bring other players into the game yet. And i'm not so sure about his so-called strength. Think there is a fair bit of puppy fat going on. I've yet to see him really get a full-back out of the way yet with his stength.
Foreverpessimistic I think you should think a bit more about your posts.
AOS is as natural a forward as I've seen at minor in a good while, especially from a Mayo point of view. He is well ahead of contemporary Kyle Coney who is another fantastic talent that will come through in time. He certainly needs to learn to vary his game as was well put by Never Beat The Deeler. But remember his age before you consign him to the massive Mayo scrap heap that at various stages has included such dross as Ciaran McDonald, Liam McHale and Willie Joe Padden.
Those three and many more came back to prove the Mayo doubters wrong. AOS hasn't even failed yet and people are adding him to the heap. Give him a chance ffs.
Quote from: Mano on May 17, 2010, 02:29:18 PM
Don't get me wrong Sligonian as i seem to have upset you (not too difficult) i believe we can win this game. I'm from the same school as Eamon as when we played club together we always believed before we went on pitch together that we were going to win.
Mayo boys on here are doing their best to make us believe we only have to turn up to win. They were missing half their team for that game - all the guys i mentioned earlier. Did you see the league final (you were at the game) Mayo weren't exactly at the races were they? Perhaps they had some heavy training done as their was a lot of heavy legs. All i'm saying is Mayo are not as bad as what they showed in the league final.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 17, 2010, 11:55:46 AM
In 2000 it was completely different, we hadnt as good a team as we do now, and mayo dont have a FF line of Finneagan, P Joyce(in his prime) and derek savage, they dont have a half forward line of Donnellan, Ja Fallon etc....you'll be spouting the same shite if we beat mayo heading down to galway. I dont want to hear this negative shite.
Fallon wasn't playing - he was injured as was K Walshe and Divilly and O'Mahony made sure everyone knew about it in the build up to the game. We had most of the team which beat Kildare and Tyrone the following 2 years - which i would consider to be a good team.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 17, 2010, 11:55:46 AM
What a load of rubbish, i guess this is the kinda stuff EOH has had to listen to all his career down south, i remember him criticising sligo fans for having no belief in the team,
You are the clown that wants to leave EOH on the sideline for the Mayo game-shows how much you know ::)
How am i the clown, 3 weeks before the game I state we cant afford to use O Hara as pyschology boost during the game and have to start him at 12 instead...
Honestly the mayo lads are overreacting to the league final loss which there entitled to do given there history, but mano even if they were trying to make us think we had to turn up, how many of us in Sligo are buying it. NONE. Also i know and you know, everyone in mayo is expecting a decent battle and a mayo win but all im saying is i dont give a toss about what mayo think, or what JOM says or what happened in the league final.
Ya i was at the mayo cork game, and yes i know theyll perform better in Markieveicz, and moran, kilcoyne, mcgarrity and harte did all come on in that game. Do you honestly think mayo are going to make 6 changes to league final team? I went to the league final to have a look at mayo for sure but i know Sligo are focusing more on our own performance than mayo. Im sure mayo arent worrying too much about us. If mayo make wholsale changes to the league team, what does it say? Will all just fall into place against us? To me thats going into game hoping things come off rather than having it sorted during the league and knowing it will. As GBB says will it make a huge improvement on what started that day anyway.
We are settled and in as good a shape as can be except, Quinn is a huge injury concern at the minute and starting Phillips is a disaster. These type of things can be costly. As long as we maximise our own potential and performance level i cant ask for more. No guarntees in sport. I think weve got enough lessons in the past to know it will take huge, intensity, workrate and quality to beat mayo.
Quote from: muppet on May 17, 2010, 03:14:49 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 17, 2010, 12:59:32 PM
Those players were all exceptional at bringing others into play. Thats why they were so good at 14. Donaghy has the burst and he has an amazing catch. Michael Murphy is just a naturally gifted forward. They all get away without pace because they have other outstanding attributes. Aidan O'Shea isn't a natural footballer. He doesnt have the intelligence to bring other players into the game yet. And i'm not so sure about his so-called strength. Think there is a fair bit of puppy fat going on. I've yet to see him really get a full-back out of the way yet with his stength.
Foreverpessimistic I think you should think a bit more about your posts.
AOS is as natural a forward as I've seen at minor in a good while, especially from a Mayo point of view. He is well ahead of contemporary Kyle Coney who is another fantastic talent that will come through in time. He certainly needs to learn to vary his game as was well put by Never Beat The Deeler. But remember his age before you consign him to the massive Mayo scrap heap that at various stages has included such dross as Ciaran McDonald, Liam McHale and Willie Joe Padden.
Those three and many more came back to prove the Mayo doubters wrong. AOS hasn't even failed yet and people are adding him to the heap. Give him a chance ffs.
i'm saying to put him at no.11.. Read my posts... Think he can do more damage for us at 11. Could see playing 14 in 3-4 years when he gets more experience and can bring others into the game... Muppet by name .....!
The league final was a major let down, especially the half forward line of Andy Moran, Alan Dillon and Trevor Mort. None of the three of them were able to have a go at thier man and beat him. In fact Kevin Mclaughlin showed them all up by having the bit of class/energy/drive to beat his man in one on one situations.
Johnno should drop all three of them to send out a warning that their is competition for places and he's not afraid to trust in some of the lads that havent seen too much championship game time.
No doubt Dillon,T Mort and Andy will play a big part in any championship run we might have, but a spell on the timber might focus the minds.
Barring injuries, Half forward line of Harte, SOS and Kilcoyne to start against Sligo.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 17, 2010, 03:30:10 PM
Ya i was at the mayo cork game, and yes i know theyll perform better in Markieveicz, and moran, kilcoyne, mcgarrity and harte did all come on in that game. Do you honestly think mayo are going to make 6 changes to league final team? I went to the league final to have a look at mayo for sure but i know Sligo are focusing more on our own performance than mayo. Im sure mayo arent worrying too much about us. If mayo make wholsale changes to the league team, what does it say? Will all just fall into place against us? To me thats going into game hoping things come off rather than having it sorted during the league and knowing it will. As GBB says will it make a huge improvement on what started that day anyway.
Mayo will make at least 4 changes. Higgins, Gardiner, McGarrity, Kilcoyne will come in and perhaps Harte which will strengten them from league final. However we will also make a change or 2 which will strenghten us.
An advantage we have is Kevin Walsh - he will know what O'Mahony is like in the build up to the game and will have the players well warned not to listen to the bullshit that will be in the media in advance.
D Clarke K O'Malley R Hennelly
T Howley L O'Malley S Drake/ J Keane
A Feeney G Cafferkey K keane
C Barrett K Higgins D Geraghty
P gardiner D Vaughan A Higgins
K Conroy T Cunniffe D Kilcullen
K McLoughlin S Nally J Burke
R McGarrity S O'Shea J Kilcullen
T Parsons P Harte B Kelly
A Moran T Mortimer C Freeman
B J Padden A Freeman D Tiernan
N Douglas A Dillon P Doherty
C Mortimer E Varley B Benson
B Moran A O'Shea C McDonald
A Kilcoyne M Ronaldson B Regan/M Conroy
A v B v C match...... Don't think the C team would be too bad!
Well Sligonian, we'd dearly want to make a nice few changes to that team that played Cork in Croke Park. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if O'Mahony does either.
I know this is only trivial but was looking at the fantasy signings in the championship preview in the paper last week. Alan Brogan was named as our fantasy signing based on the fact that we need someone who can put the ball over the bar from outside 30 yards. Not too sure if he was the best example because i happen to think he isn't a prolific marksmen. I am torn between Donaghy, Cooper and Declan O'Sullivan! Donaghy brings a wow factor to the game with his fielding and his lay-offs, Cooper for his sheer talent and guaranteed 5-6 points a game and O'Sullivan for his leadership, running ability and distribution. I'll go with Donaghy!
What do other posters think... I know you could name anyone but sure its only a bit of craic. (No bad-mouthing any Mayo players!!!)
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 18, 2010, 10:06:29 AM
I know this is only trivial but was looking at the fantasy signings in the championship preview in the paper last week. Alan Brogan was named as our fantasy signing based on the fact that we need someone who can put the ball over the bar from outside 30 yards. Not too sure if he was the best example because i happen to think he isn't a prolific marksmen. I am torn between Donaghy, Cooper and Declan O'Sullivan! Donaghy brings a wow factor to the game with his fielding and his lay-offs, Cooper for his sheer talent and guaranteed 5-6 points a game and O'Sullivan for his leadership, running ability and distribution. I'll go with Donaghy!
What do other posters think... I know you could name anyone but sure its only a bit of craic. (No bad-mouthing any Mayo players!!!)
Wrong Thread ???
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 17, 2010, 07:40:05 PM
D Clarke K O'Malley R Hennelly
T Howley L O'Malley S Drake/ J Keane
A Feeney G Cafferkey K keane
C Barrett K Higgins D Geraghty
P gardiner D Vaughan A Higgins
K Conroy T Cunniffe D Kilcullen
K McLoughlin S Nally J Burke
R McGarrity S O'Shea J Kilcullen
T Parsons P Harte B Kelly
A Moran T Mortimer C Freeman
B J Padden A Freeman D Tiernan
N Douglas A Dillon P Doherty
C Mortimer E Varley B Benson
B Moran A O'Shea C McDonald
A Kilcoyne M Ronaldson B Regan/M Conroy
A v B v C match...... Don't think the C team would be too bad!
Wrong Thread ???
Foreverhopeful I agree with you that AOS' best position is centre-half forward. But your arguments about why he shouldn't be full-forward are so far off the mark and reactionary and impulsive. He has an awful lot to offer on the edge of the square. Has strength, height, a football brain, awareness. In the league final the ball died with him a lot but was there ever options for a pass? No. He was double teamed too. To argue he lacks strength is the daftest thing I've read in a long time. Try and find a stronger 19 year old in the country and I'll buy you a pint. Centre-half forward was always his best position though. Its just a case of Mayo and John O'Mahony deciding where they can put him to most benefit. Don't be surprised if its at 11.
Just a general point - following on from Muppet's observations - why do we always, always, always insist on trying to take our players down to size? Why must we always feel that we need to 'bring them down a peg or two'. The abuse I've seen Seamus and Aidan O'Shea get this year playing club football purely because they are 'county men' is nothing short of shocking. Some of the comments about Aidan O'Shea on here are plain offensive. And people wonder why we are where we are.
Has there been offensive comments on Aidan here? I can't recall any, criticism of him yes, but I don't think I can recall any abusive type comments.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 18, 2010, 03:24:26 PM
Foreverhopeful I agree with you that AOS' best position is centre-half forward. But your arguments about why he shouldn't be full-forward are so far off the mark and reactionary and impulsive. He has an awful lot to offer on the edge of the square. Has strength, height, a football brain, awareness. In the league final the ball died with him a lot but was there ever options for a pass? No. He was double teamed too. To argue he lacks strength is the daftest thing I've read in a long time. Try and find a stronger 19 year old in the country and I'll buy you a pint. Centre-half forward was always his best position though. Its just a case of Mayo and John O'Mahony deciding where they can put him to most benefit. Don't be surprised if its at 11.
Just a general point - following on from Muppet's observations - why do we always, always, always insist on trying to take our players down to size? Why must we always feel that we need to 'bring them down a peg or two'. The abuse I've seen Seamus and Aidan O'Shea get this year playing club football purely because they are 'county men' is nothing short of shocking. Some of the comments about Aidan O'Shea on here are plain offensive. And people wonder why we are where we are.
I don't know does he have the awareness for 14 yet. You watch Donaghy and compare him to O'Shea. If we want to be the best we have to play like the best. Donaghy was brilliant at flicking down to a player or catching when he could. He know's when it's best to flick it down because he''s watching where the men are running. I have yet to see A O'Shea do that. I'm not trying to put him down. That will come in a couple of years. It could be coached into him but it's obvioulsy not. You watch the way Kerry put the ball into Donaghy, its always diagonally so the full back isn't meeting it head on and has to decide whether to wait down and meet the man or contest and risk being the wrong side on landing.
Watch a replay of goal against Heaney and against Bellew and you'll see.
QuoteTry and find a stronger 19 year old in the country and I'll buy you a pint.
He's strong alright but it's not all muscle! He's a natural big frame. I'd be telling him to lay off the weights and the carbs and forget about Australia. He's slowed down a bit since his minor days. He was an awesome athlete then.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 18, 2010, 03:41:15 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 18, 2010, 03:24:26 PM
Foreverhopeful I agree with you that AOS' best position is centre-half forward. But your arguments about why he shouldn't be full-forward are so far off the mark and reactionary and impulsive. He has an awful lot to offer on the edge of the square. Has strength, height, a football brain, awareness. In the league final the ball died with him a lot but was there ever options for a pass? No. He was double teamed too. To argue he lacks strength is the daftest thing I've read in a long time. Try and find a stronger 19 year old in the country and I'll buy you a pint. Centre-half forward was always his best position though. Its just a case of Mayo and John O'Mahony deciding where they can put him to most benefit. Don't be surprised if its at 11.
Just a general point - following on from Muppet's observations - why do we always, always, always insist on trying to take our players down to size? Why must we always feel that we need to 'bring them down a peg or two'. The abuse I've seen Seamus and Aidan O'Shea get this year playing club football purely because they are 'county men' is nothing short of shocking. Some of the comments about Aidan O'Shea on here are plain offensive. And people wonder why we are where we are.
I don't know does he have the awareness for 14 yet. You watch Donaghy and compare him to O'Shea. If we want to be the best we have to play like the best. Donaghy was brilliant at flicking down to a player or catching when he could. He know's when it's best to flick it down because he''s watching where the men are running. I have yet to see A O'Shea do that. I'm not trying to put him down. That will come in a couple of years. It could be coached into him but it's obvioulsy not. You watch the way Kerry put the ball into Donaghy, its always diagonally so the full back isn't meeting it head on and has to decide whether to wait down and meet the man or contest and risk being the wrong side on landing.
Watch a replay of goal against Heaney and against Bellew and you'll see.
Donaghy is 27, didn't debut until he was 23 or so. So while that might be the template to aim for, comparisons are somewhat harsh. O'Shea still has serious development potential. A lot of the comments you make about Donaghy have to be considered against the background of the fact that he's playing with a Kerry team who have a game plan around him and the corner forwards like Gooch etc to make it work. Like the understanding Donaghy and Gooch have is marvellous. Can AOS and Conor Mort, for example, develop that? Not overnight anyway.
Re his weight, he's carry a pound or two too many. Not much more. Don't think that he has slowed down. Just playing at a faster level is all. He will be in better shape in the summer too, I would say.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 18, 2010, 03:54:11 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 18, 2010, 03:41:15 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 18, 2010, 03:24:26 PM
Foreverhopeful I agree with you that AOS' best position is centre-half forward. But your arguments about why he shouldn't be full-forward are so far off the mark and reactionary and impulsive. He has an awful lot to offer on the edge of the square. Has strength, height, a football brain, awareness. In the league final the ball died with him a lot but was there ever options for a pass? No. He was double teamed too. To argue he lacks strength is the daftest thing I've read in a long time. Try and find a stronger 19 year old in the country and I'll buy you a pint. Centre-half forward was always his best position though. Its just a case of Mayo and John O'Mahony deciding where they can put him to most benefit. Don't be surprised if its at 11.
Just a general point - following on from Muppet's observations - why do we always, always, always insist on trying to take our players down to size? Why must we always feel that we need to 'bring them down a peg or two'. The abuse I've seen Seamus and Aidan O'Shea get this year playing club football purely because they are 'county men' is nothing short of shocking. Some of the comments about Aidan O'Shea on here are plain offensive. And people wonder why we are where we are.
I don't know does he have the awareness for 14 yet. You watch Donaghy and compare him to O'Shea. If we want to be the best we have to play like the best. Donaghy was brilliant at flicking down to a player or catching when he could. He know's when it's best to flick it down because he''s watching where the men are running. I have yet to see A O'Shea do that. I'm not trying to put him down. That will come in a couple of years. It could be coached into him but it's obvioulsy not. You watch the way Kerry put the ball into Donaghy, its always diagonally so the full back isn't meeting it head on and has to decide whether to wait down and meet the man or contest and risk being the wrong side on landing.
Watch a replay of goal against Heaney and against Bellew and you'll see.
Donaghy is 27, didn't debut until he was 23 or so. So while that might be the template to aim for, comparisons are somewhat harsh. O'Shea still has serious development potential. A lot of the comments you make about Donaghy have to be considered against the background of the fact that he's playing with a Kerry team who have a game plan around him and the corner forwards like Gooch etc to make it work. Like the understanding Donaghy and Gooch have is marvellous. Can AOS and Conor Mort, for example, develop that? Not overnight anyway.
Re his weight, he's carry a pound or two too many. Not much more. Don't think that he has slowed down. Just playing at a faster level is all. He will be in better shape in the summer too, I would say.
According to Wiki he struggled to make Austin Stacks minor team. He was hardly a 'star' for the seniors either until the infamous switch for the Longford game in 2006 by which time he was 23. The rest is history.
Give AOS a chance ffs.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 18, 2010, 03:44:28 PM
QuoteTry and find a stronger 19 year old in the country and I'll buy you a pint.
He's strong alright but it's not all muscle! He's a natural big frame. I'd be telling him to lay off the weights and the carbs and forget about Australia. He's slowed down a bit since his minor days. He was an awesome athlete then.
One of the big advantages he had as a minor was that he was way bigger than almost everyone else on the field. In senior he's still a big unit but the physical advantage he once enjoyed is considerably less.
Donaghy and O'Se are both big men but very different. Donaghy has quicker feet, quicker hands and is more agile which is what makes him so dangerous along with his height. O'Se has time on his side though.
can ye read lads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i'm trying to say it will take a few years for o'shea to develop the awareness donaghy has to be able to link others into the play. FFS will ye read the posts properly and don't be so quick to criticise. I'm not saying drop O'shea.
Thats why i think he is better served at 11 for now until he develops that tactical awareness for 14...
i was also pointing out that our management and not O'Shea are to blame for a lack of a game plan with his position. Conor Mort stood too near him against Cork and morts man was able to double up on O'Shea knowing he was going to try and barrel his way through. Thats where the majority of balls were lost for Mayo.
Mort should be away from O'shea and then run onto a possible lay-off.
If we are trying a big man full-forward why don't we copy the best exponents of that (donaghy). Makes sense. If we are to leave him there for Summer i'd tell him to watch every clip of Donaghy he can get hold of. I'd also tell the no. 5 and no. 7 to deliver the ball into him diagonally. Tomas o'Se plays the best ball into Donaghy. He floats it from right to left. Usually you have Dec O'sullivan running on to it at speed. When they do it right it's poetry in motion.
Thing with Aidan O'shea also is he is young and young players like getting their names on the scoreboard. I think that is hinderiing him a bit. He prob feels like he is being judged on the scores but in reality he should be our focal point who assists more so. Again that comes with experience
looks like straight shoot out betwen cuniffe and vaughan for no. 6 (for sligo game anyway). He's tried them two in challenge games and left howley in corner.
Foreverhopeful, I think I speak on behalf of the rest of the posters here with half a brain when I say that you have absolutely no football knowledge, as your previous posts have confirmed. I think someone, previously, asked what age you are. I hope for your own sake that you're not more than 12 because at least then you would have a chance to develop some sort of understanding of the game.
Absolutely no football knowledge eh??? I think i'm one of the few with half a clue. Ur some gobshite urself. Only criticism on the aidan o'shea topic... if you actually thought about it or watched good football you might know a thing or two. I have managed many's a team to success so i have far more knowledge than a lot of the clowns on here..
What else have i said that suggests i have no football knowledge or is this purely based on the Aidan O'shea argument? I really do wonder about some of ye guys.
Any chance we can get back to some decent discussion lads, hoganstand is better suited for the slagging matches don't you think.
Any word on the proposed challenge match V Dublin this Friday in Hollymount?Is it going ahead?
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 17, 2010, 03:30:10 PM
Quote from: Mano on May 17, 2010, 02:29:18 PM
Don't get me wrong Sligonian as i seem to have upset you (not too difficult) i believe we can win this game. I'm from the same school as Eamon as when we played club together we always believed before we went on pitch together that we were going to win.
Mayo boys on here are doing their best to make us believe we only have to turn up to win. They were missing half their team for that game - all the guys i mentioned earlier. Did you see the league final (you were at the game) Mayo weren't exactly at the races were they? Perhaps they had some heavy training done as their was a lot of heavy legs. All i'm saying is Mayo are not as bad as what they showed in the league final.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 17, 2010, 11:55:46 AM
In 2000 it was completely different, we hadnt as good a team as we do now, and mayo dont have a FF line of Finneagan, P Joyce(in his prime) and derek savage, they dont have a half forward line of Donnellan, Ja Fallon etc....you'll be spouting the same shite if we beat mayo heading down to galway. I dont want to hear this negative shite.
Fallon wasn't playing - he was injured as was K Walshe and Divilly and O'Mahony made sure everyone knew about it in the build up to the game. We had most of the team which beat Kildare and Tyrone the following 2 years - which i would consider to be a good team.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 17, 2010, 11:55:46 AM
What a load of rubbish, i guess this is the kinda stuff EOH has had to listen to all his career down south, i remember him criticising sligo fans for having no belief in the team,
You are the clown that wants to leave EOH on the sideline for the Mayo game-shows how much you know ::)
How am i the clown, 3 weeks before the game I state we cant afford to use O Hara as pyschology boost during the game and have to start him at 12 instead...
Honestly the mayo lads are overreacting to the league final loss which there entitled to do given there history, but mano even if they were trying to make us think we had to turn up, how many of us in Sligo are buying it. NONE. Also i know and you know, everyone in mayo is expecting a decent battle and a mayo win but all im saying is i dont give a toss about what mayo think, or what JOM says or what happened in the league final.
Ya i was at the mayo cork game, and yes i know theyll perform better in Markieveicz, and moran, kilcoyne, mcgarrity and harte did all come on in that game. Do you honestly think mayo are going to make 6 changes to league final team? I went to the league final to have a look at mayo for sure but i know Sligo are focusing more on our own performance than mayo. Im sure mayo arent worrying too much about us. If mayo make wholsale changes to the league team, what does it say? Will all just fall into place against us? To me thats going into game hoping things come off rather than having it sorted during the league and knowing it will. As GBB says will it make a huge improvement on what started that day anyway.
We are settled and in as good a shape as can be except, Quinn is a huge injury concern at the minute and starting Phillips is a disaster. These type of things can be costly. As long as we maximise our own potential and performance level i cant ask for more. No guarntees in sport. I think weve got enough lessons in the past to know it will take huge, intensity, workrate and quality to beat mayo.
You d have to be expecting a few changes anyway Sligonian. Its a banker there ll be a new centre half back and a new midfield combination. There ll be a change in every line except keeper imo. Higgins corner back for example. Fully fit I doubt I ll be far wrong with this line up.
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Higgins.
Vaughan/Gardiner Cuniffe/Vaughan McLoughlin
Parsons Mcgarrity
Trevor O Sé Moran
Varley O Se Moran.
Quote from: moysider on May 19, 2010, 09:42:50 AM
You d have to be expecting a few changes anyway Sligonian. Its a banker there ll be a new centre half back and a new midfield combination. There ll be a change in every line except keeper imo. Higgins corner back for example. Fully fit I doubt I ll be far wrong with this line up.
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Higgins.
Vaughan/Gardiner Cuniffe/Vaughan McLoughlin
Parsons Mcgarrity
Trevor O Sé Moran
Varley O Se Moran.
hard to see us line out without dillon has to start when fit. varley after good league could lose out to top gun mort after his league final display. never been convinced by cunniffe less so now as hardly kicked ball till few weeks ago wouldnt be surprised howley at 6 as brehony for sligo not the biggest centreforward about
True. Cant see us start without a fit Dillon. Hard to see him leave out Andy or Trevor either. But i think he has to go with the twin towers.
Quote from: moysider on May 19, 2010, 09:42:50 AM
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Higgins.
Vaughan/Gardiner Cuniffe/Vaughan McLoughlin
Parsons Mcgarrity
Trevor O Sé Moran
Varley O Se Moran.
That's a very interesting line out, moysider and I doubt you will be far out when Johnno announces his side. I see you have omitted Alan Dillon. You are far closer to the scene than I am and you could well be right on this call but I would have imagined that he'd start all of the half forwards we had in the league final.
All of them were off their oats in that game but their problem seems to be connected to Croke Park and big days there. I feel Trevor would be the one most under pressure as he tends to get very frustrated and rattled when things aren't going his way. However, time will tell and I'm certain all who are picked will be going all-out to redeem themselves and get the memories of the Cork game out of their systems.
BTW, I agree with ballinaman; there's nothing to be gained by analysing the pros and cons of Tom or Aidan as if they were prize bulls at a spring show.
It's very hard for any of the younger lads to play his best when the older players around them keep losing the plot. The Sligo game should give us a fair idea of the team's potential and I'd expect to see both in action and the pair of them silencing a lot of critics in the process.
Leaving out Dillon was an oversight to be honest. If fit he will start. Unless injuries make it simpler he has a couple of big calls in the forwards.
From Hoganstand
Dessie Dolan made his first appearance for Westmeath in almost a year last night, but he couldn't stop Mayo from handing the Lake County a five-point defeat in a senior football challenge at Tarmonbarry, Co. Roscommon.
Mayo 1-13
Westmeath 0-11
Returning from his self-imposed exile, the former All-Star scored two points from frees after coming on as a second half substitute, but Mayo never looked in any danger of losing after taking a 0-8 to 0-1 lead into the break. During that opening half, Ronan McGarrity was utterly dominant at midfield, while the Morans, Andy and Barry, caused all sorts of problems for the Westmeath rearguard.
Pat Flanagan's charges, who were without the injured Denis Glennon, mounted a comeback of sorts in the second half with Ian Coffey, dual star Paul Greville and Dolan all finding the target. But Mayo were full value for their five-point winning margin.
Both Mayo and Westmeath have further challenge matches lined up against Dublin on Friday and Saturday next in Hollymount and Glasnevin respectively.
It was also confirmed last night that Fergal Wilson will miss Westmeath's Leinster SFC quarter-final against Wicklow on June 6 after his broken finger became septic, while Garrycastle clubman Seanie O'Donoghue has been forced to leave the panel due to work commitments.
From Hoganstand
Donal Vaughan, Tom Parsons and captain Trevor Mortimer are among Mayo's walking wounded at present.
Vaughan and Parsons picked up groin injuries in the Westerners' 0-13 to 0-4 senior football challenge win over Cavan in Belmullet last Saturday, while Mortimer missed the game with a 'dead leg'. Alan Feeney was another notable absentee due to an ankle problem, while Alan Freeman was substituted shortly after his introduction after picking up a knock.
Meanwhile, Aidan Kilcoyne left the field during the second half of Knockmore's league victory over Charlestown on Sunday after picking up a nasty cut on his knee, while Alan Dillon was substituted during Ballintubber's league game with a hamstring problem.
Not surprisingly, manager John O'Mahony is hoping all the injuries will have cleared up before Mayo's Connacht SFC quarter-final against Sligo on June 5.
Kilconye only has a cut on his knee? Or is it more serious?
Hard to believe any of the injury concerns tbh. Theyll all be fit for June 5th.
On the amount of changes to mayo team, I did say previously i seen 7 problems in the team against cork, but I was speaking to someone in the know and they said there wont be as many changes as that but sure we'll see. Most of the players who underperformed wont play as bad again and maybe that needs to be taken into account.
Yer going well in challenge games so it must make ye hot favourites now.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 19, 2010, 12:14:31 PM
Hard to believe any of the injury concerns tbh. Theyll all be fit for June 5th.
On the amount of changes to mayo team, I did say previously i seen 7 problems in the team against cork, but I was speaking to someone in the know and they said there wont be as many changes as that but sure we'll see. Most of the players who underperformed wont play as bad again and maybe that needs to be taken into account.
Yer going well in challenge games so it must make ye hot favourites now.
Conceding 11 points to Westmeath is hardly going well considering how muck they are....hot favourites,nice one sligonian ;D
I am confident that we will beat Sligo.
If we do lose, I expect Galway will beat Sligo.
It would take an exceptional Sligo team to beat Galway and Mayo in one year. Most of us can only ever remember Mayo losing once to Sligo, and once to Galway in championship. It is very rare. If they do go on to win Connacht I think with the draw presented to them I think they can stand proud, take a bow, and think seriously about giving the All Ireland series a right rattle.
Anyway given the challenge matches it looks like either the management haven't a clue who they're best XV are or else they are going for a very different line-up. It appears that Liam O'Malley and possibly Trevor Mortimer are going to be the big casualties and we will probably see something along the lines of moysider's team. I would guess at the following
Clarke
Howley
Cafferkey
Higgins
(I still think JOM has more trust in Howley and will find a place for him in a re-united of the All Ireland u21 winning full-back line)
Gardiner/Vaughan
Cunniffe
O'Loughlin
(If Trevor doesn't play I think Gardiner will - the manager is not going to highlight his abysmal record for selecting captains by not playing both the captain and vice-captain. Otherwise there is no contest - Vaughan has done nothing to lose the jersey)
Seamus O'Se
Ronan McGarrity
(Parsons seems to be a big favourite but I think there is too much competition for places and he will lose out)
Andy Moran
Aidan O'Se
Alan Dillon
(Personally I would rather see Kilcoyne there especially as freetaker. Andy is a big favourite though. It looks like the move of AOS is going to go ahead)
Conor Mort
Barry Moran
Varley
(Big Barry looks nailed on now for the number 14 jersies)
4 starting changes from the League Final. 2 positional changes.
The joker in the pack - is Billie Joe being lined up to start? He is another favourite of the manager.
Pretty much agree with that team, although I would start Parsons and the two boys at mid-field. Also, I would start A O'Shea with Barry in the FF line because I think they bring a fair bit of panic to opposition defences in there (Why do you think A O'Shea will start at 11?). I'd probably start Kilcoyne (if fit obviously) instead of Varley as well because Kilcoyne, I feel, offers a lot more.
Barney, you may well be right but I don't get this worry (wrong word - expectation of them being very good) about Galway that I'm detecting from some of the Mayo posters. I see no evidence to suggest they'll be better than last year. Personally I reckon there is not much between Sligo, Mayo and Galway at present. galway and Mayo are Div 1 sides due to better depth in their panels. I think Mayo have the best squad all told and if they get it bang on they could contend for an All-Ireland. I don't believe Galway or Sligo are in that bracket though they could upset more fancied outfits.
We will be up against it to beat Mayo for starters but it is possible. If that happened a similar situation would be the case with Galway, especially having to travel to bloody Salthill, but not impossible.
I feel sorry for Sligo supporters as I feel they have been lulled into a false sense of security, they are a long way behind Mayo and will be lucky to keep the defeat under five points. Sligo in my opinion are not near as good as people are making them out to be.
Quote from: macedoniaexile on May 19, 2010, 01:13:50 PM
I feel sorry for Sligo supporters as I feel they have been lulled into a false sense of security, they are a long way behind Mayo and will be lucky to keep the defeat under five points. Sligo in my opinion are not near as good as people are making them out to be.
As far im concerned, the above is the deep down opinion of every mayo person, although few will admit it. Fair play to ya posting that.
Just out of interest how familiar are with Sligo?
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 19, 2010, 01:28:52 PM
Quote from: macedoniaexile on May 19, 2010, 01:13:50 PM
I feel sorry for Sligo supporters as I feel they have been lulled into a false sense of security, they are a long way behind Mayo and will be lucky to keep the defeat under five points. Sligo in my opinion are not near as good as people are making them out to be.
As far im concerned, the above is the deep down opinion of every mayo person, although few will admit it. Fair play to ya posting that.
Just out of interest how familiar are with Sligo?
Me bollix it's the opinion of every Mayo supporter, it's not mine so that rules out the "every" Mayo supporter statement, there might be some alright. There are always supporters in each county who fail to recognise their own counties limitations and the opposing counties capabilities.
I've been to countless Mayo matches where supporters from both sides don't know half the players on the opposite side. Fact is, Sligo have some serious players and if they play well, they a match for any county. Same can be said about Mayo as well though.
Quote from: ballinaman on May 19, 2010, 01:50:14 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 19, 2010, 01:28:52 PM
Quote from: macedoniaexile on May 19, 2010, 01:13:50 PM
I feel sorry for Sligo supporters as I feel they have been lulled into a false sense of security, they are a long way behind Mayo and will be lucky to keep the defeat under five points. Sligo in my opinion are not near as good as people are making them out to be.
As far im concerned, the above is the deep down opinion of every mayo person, although few will admit it. Fair play to ya posting that.
Just out of interest how familiar are with Sligo?
Me bollix it's the opinion of every Mayo supporter, it's not mine so that rules out the "every" Mayo supporter statement, there might be some alright. There are always supporters in each county who fail to recognise their own counties limitations and the opposing counties capabilities.
I've been to countless Mayo matches where supporters from both sides don't know half the players on the opposite side. Fact is, Sligo have some serious players and if they play well, they a match for any county. Same can be said about Mayo as well though.
Funny thing when I said the above to my Dad there, he was suprised, "he said only 5pts, jees we'll be lucky to keep it to 10pts" ;), in all fairness ballinaman, i just feel mayo fans would take a 1pt win but are expecting it to be more comfortable. As for the false sense of securit from a Sligo viewpoint, we are confident and believe we will win, but for us to win, we have to have a fair ref, bring a huge workrate, intensity to the game to even have a chance. We know its a huge task and in sport no guarntees. We dont beat mayo too often but its all on the day.
Yep, it's all on the day. What league divison both teams were playing in won't matter a shite when it comes to throw in. If Sligo bring A game, it'll be a tough game the will go down to the wire. If both teams play well, i think Mayo will shade it..just, a point or two max. If Mayo have a bad day which they are more than capable of doing, Sligo have a right good chance.
Sligonian is right - the vast majority of Mayo supporters do not fear or greatly respect Sligo at any level at any time. Many counties have the same view of Mayo and see us as an easy route to a morale boosting win. I don't think we will win by 5 but 2 or 3 will do the job. I think we would win by between 5 and 7 if the game was in Castlebar.
And if the game was in Croke Park Sligo would win by 8/9pts :D
sligonian
the only way to get that respect is to actually beat mayo more than once , once could be a fluke . but untill them mayo fans will be getting ready for galway
maybe my OCD is acting up but this is the team i now wat to see for mayo
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Higgins.
Vaughan/Gardiner Cuniffe/Vaughan McLoughlin
Parsons Mcgarrity
mort O Sé Moran
mort O Se Moran.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 19, 2010, 12:04:36 PM
From Hoganstand
Donal Vaughan, Tom Parsons and captain Trevor Mortimer are among Mayo's walking wounded at present.
Vaughan and Parsons picked up groin injuries in the Westerners' 0-13 to 0-4 senior football challenge win over Cavan in Belmullet last Saturday, while Mortimer missed the game with a 'dead leg'. Alan Feeney was another notable absentee due to an ankle problem, while Alan Freeman was substituted shortly after his introduction after picking up a knock.
Meanwhile, Aidan Kilcoyne left the field during the second half of Knockmore's league victory over Charlestown on Sunday after picking up a nasty cut on his knee, while Alan Dillon was substituted during Ballintubber's league game with a hamstring problem.
Not surprisingly, manager John O'Mahony is hoping all the injuries will have cleared up before Mayo's Connacht SFC quarter-final against Sligo on June 5.
Trevor started in last nights match, but was taken off in the second half. Vaughan and Parsons didn't play.
Aidan O'Se started in centre half forward but was taken of at half time. Seamus played midfield but moved centre half forward at half time. Aidan came back on with 10 min to go and played midfield.
Quote from: rosnarun on May 19, 2010, 07:02:32 PM
sligonian
the only way to get that respect is to actually beat mayo more than once , once could be a fluke . but untill them mayo fans will be getting ready for galway
Same could be said about Mayo v kerry, i'm sure they think 1996 was just a fluke also
If the Mayo players/management are thinking "Galway" they are in for a shock
Kilcoyne won't be back in time for this game I'm afraid. He'll struggle to make it back for the Ballina game the following week.
Quote from: rosnarun on May 19, 2010, 07:02:32 PM
sligonian
the only way to get that respect is to actually beat mayo more than once , once could be a fluke . but untill them mayo fans will be getting ready for galway
maybe my OCD is acting up but this is the team i now wat to see for mayo
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Higgins.
Vaughan/Gardiner Cuniffe/Vaughan McLoughlin
Parsons Mcgarrity
mort O Sé Moran
mort O Se Moran.
OCD or not rosnarun that is very close to the team I think Johnno is shaping up to put out. Only thing I was in a bit of a kerfuffle and forgot to include Dillon. Did you deliberately leave him out? If so why?
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 19, 2010, 01:28:52 PM
Quote from: macedoniaexile on May 19, 2010, 01:13:50 PM
I feel sorry for Sligo supporters as I feel they have been lulled into a false sense of security, they are a long way behind Mayo and will be lucky to keep the defeat under five points. Sligo in my opinion are not near as good as people are making them out to be.
As far im concerned, the above is the deep down opinion of every mayo person, although few will admit it. Fair play to ya posting that.
Just out of interest how familiar are with Sligo?
Where is this poster macedoniaexile from I wonder. Not that it matters anyway. I doubt if you care what Mayo people think Sligonian. You should nt. The only thing that matters to me about this game is how we perform. Ok, it s Sligo and these games in Markievicz Park go back a long time for me and they mean a lot ( try telling that to those that are trying to get rid of the provincial championship). Much as I respect Sligo, I expect Mayo to perform and win but we have to be right to do this.. Bad and all as our league final looked I dont think that it will be a bearing on this one. I expect that we will have enough possession to dictate the game.
This is a huge game for Mayo. I think myself it is a game we can and need to win. I dont do much in predicting winning margins and stuff anymore because I ve learned from bitter experience that in Mayo it s better to wait and see what happens and enjoy the ride in the better times. I would nt be bullish about our chances however in Markievicz Park. But I expect us to eat the grass in this one and leave nothing in the tank. That s not too much to expect.
I d be more optimistic about our chances for the Summer now. The league final happened but the management has to be commended for getting so many games in since and over next few weeks. Players move on and playing games is the best cure.This optimism is dependant on the continuing fitness of key players however. We re talking likes of Clarke, 2XO Sé, Kevin McL, McGar( an interested and fit
McGar means more leeway and less presssure on Parsons and O Sé ), Dillon and Barry Moran. If I was Johnno I d have every relative I have doing novenas for the continued fitness of Barry Moran. Key player for us. Barry and AOS reduced the Ros back line to a wreck in minutes last year. Johnno knows he has to repeat that everytime we play championship if we're to go anywhere. I expect Aidan and Barry to be the focus of our game. Crucially it will mean it we will have more opportunity to play our natural running game better as well because the big lads will pin markers and maybe a sweeper well back. Nobody talking about Harte now but if we survive early rounds he will become an important player for us.
Quote from: rosnarun on May 19, 2010, 07:02:32 PM
sligonian
the only way to get that respect is to actually beat mayo more than once , once could be a fluke . but untill them mayo fans will be getting ready for galway
maybe my OCD is acting up but this is the team i now wat to see for mayo
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Higgins.
Vaughan/Gardiner Cuniffe/Vaughan McLoughlin
Parsons Mcgarrity
mort O Sé Moran
mort O Se Moran.
Great symmetry to that forward line surely!
Quote from: moysider on May 19, 2010, 08:54:34 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 19, 2010, 07:02:32 PM
sligonian
the only way to get that respect is to actually beat mayo more than once , once could be a fluke . but untill them mayo fans will be getting ready for galway
maybe my OCD is acting up but this is the team i now wat to see for mayo
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Higgins.
Vaughan/Gardiner Cuniffe/Vaughan McLoughlin
Parsons Mcgarrity
mort O Sé Moran
mort O Se Moran.
OCD or not rosnarun that is very close to the team I think Johnno is shaping up to put out. Only thing I was in a bit of a kerfuffle and forgot to include Dillon. Did you deliberately leave him out? If so why?
because he would have ruined most symmetrical forward unit ever
id being him in just after the throw in . dillion and aos are probably the only 2 sure of starting in the forwards . i think the forwrd unit will be
dillon O se harte
B moran O Se A Moran
bbut id have
dillon ronaldson kilcoyne
C mort B moran O Se
hate to leave andy out i can see why JOM played him in the backs last year trevor too but kilcoyne give greater scoring power
Quote from: rosnarun on May 20, 2010, 12:14:25 AM
but kilcoyne give greater scoring power
I thought Kilcoyne has already been ruled out?
Quote from: stephenite on May 20, 2010, 12:17:11 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 20, 2010, 12:14:25 AM
but kilcoyne give greater scoring power
I thought Kilcoyne has already been ruled out?
yeah he is supposed to be but I'd never trust JOM on any selection,
while we have lots of high class replacements i wouldnt worry too much . but maybe were missing an exceptional player or 2
Maybe Ronnie or A o sé can provide that
[quote If I was Johnno I d have every relative I have doing novenas for the continued fitness of Barry Moran. Key player for us. [/quote]
Moysider
How can you say Barry Moran is a key player for Mayo????
The amount of 'competitive' football he has played for club and county in the last three years would just about just over two games if lucky. I would hold off on the 'key player' label until he proves himself on a consistant level. Until then he is still a fringe playerwith potential in my oppinion.
Quote from: Ranger on May 20, 2010, 09:44:14 AM
[quote If I was Johnno I d have every relative I have doing novenas for the continued fitness of Barry Moran. Key player for us.
Moysider
How can you say Barry Moran is a key player for Mayo????
The amount of 'competitive' football he has played for club and county in the last three years would just about just over two games if lucky. I would hold off on the 'key player' label until he proves himself on a consistant level. Until then he is still a fringe playerwith potential in my oppinion.
[/quote]
Precisely.That is why his continuing fitness is vital. We re much better set up when he is playing.
[quote We re much better set up when he is playing.
[/quote]
I won't hold my breath!! ;D
Very hard team to pick.
I reckon it'll be something like this
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Higgins
Gardiner Cunniffe McLoughlin
McGarrity S O'Shea
Dillon A O'Shea Andy Moran
C Mort B Moran E Varley
Don't see Parsons making it. Howley might squeeze out Chris Barrett. Donal Vaughan shouldn't be dropped but will be. With Trevor Mort gone, Gardiner will start at 5. Vaughan will be in contention for 6 but O'Mahony will go with Cunniffe because of slightly more experience. I'd pick Vaughan myself. Aidan Kilcoyne's injury frees up Andy Moran, who wouldn't have made it by the looks of things up to now. Trevor Mort can't make it and I think JOM may actually drop him. Barry Moran is on form and will start. That will free up Aidan O'Shea to the forty, although I reckon Moran and O'Shea inside is a good option. Ronaldson might squeeze out Varley.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 20, 2010, 12:20:02 PM
Very hard team to pick.
I reckon it'll be something like this
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Higgins
Gardiner Cunniffe McLoughlin
McGarrity S O'Shea
Dillon A O'Shea Andy Moran
C Mort B Moran E Varley
Don't see Parsons making it. Howley might squeeze out Chris Barrett. Donal Vaughan shouldn't be dropped but will be. With Trevor Mort gone, Gardiner will start at 5. Vaughan will be in contention for 6 but O'Mahony will go with Cunniffe because of slightly more experience. I'd pick Vaughan myself. Aidan Kilcoyne's injury frees up Andy Moran, who wouldn't have made it by the looks of things up to now. Trevor Mort can't make it and I think JOM may actually drop him. Barry Moran is on form and will start. That will free up Aidan O'Shea to the forty, although I reckon Moran and O'Shea inside is a good option. Ronaldson might squeeze out Varley.
I like that team R&GS, the only thing I would do is have Howley instead of Barrett at corner back but I think thats what JOM will go with. I especially like having no Trev for a change as the amount of possession he fumbles, hoofs wide or in the air or kicks away, you wont get away with against a good team. I would include Varley, as you have as I like what I saw before he was out.
I suppose at this stage he will use Cunniffe at CB but when it goes pear-shaped, dont say I didnt warn ye!
Having said that, id like to see Cunniffe given a chance at this level at CB, I hope he proves me wrong.
Cunniffe played CB against Galway in the connacht final 2 years ago in Castlebar and was one the best performers as far as i can remember. I'd be confident with him there, won't let anyone down IMO.
Quote from: ballinaman on May 20, 2010, 01:59:34 PM
Cunniffe played CB against Galway in the connacht final 2 years ago in Castlebar and was one the best performers as far as i can remember. I'd be confident with him there, won't let anyone down IMO.
Are you sure he wasnt wing back? Heaney was Centre back if I recall.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 20, 2010, 12:20:02 PM
Very hard team to pick.
I reckon it'll be something like this
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Higgins
Gardiner Cunniffe McLoughlin
McGarrity S O'Shea
Dillon A O'Shea Andy Moran
C Mort B Moran E Varley
Don't see Parsons making it. Howley might squeeze out Chris Barrett. Donal Vaughan shouldn't be dropped but will be. With Trevor Mort gone, Gardiner will start at 5. Vaughan will be in contention for 6 but O'Mahony will go with Cunniffe because of slightly more experience. I'd pick Vaughan myself. Aidan Kilcoyne's injury frees up Andy Moran, who wouldn't have made it by the looks of things up to now. Trevor Mort can't make it and I think JOM may actually drop him. Barry Moran is on form and will start. That will free up Aidan O'Shea to the forty, although I reckon Moran and O'Shea inside is a good option. Ronaldson might squeeze out Varley.
To be honest I cant see Parsons being dropped for this one. Overall he had a good league. Poor against Cork but that is part of his education - he was too lackadaisical and got picked off. We are not playing Cork the next day and I think we could get an advantage around the middle and Parsons running through channels is something we should be planning for. I cant see Chris Barrett losing out though if it comes to it Vaughan will go back to 2 to accommodate Gardiner - if he feels he must start Gardiner. Vaughan started the first 3 league games at 2. I don t see Howley start. He would be too loose/slow for either Kelly or Magee in the corner. I reckon the twin tower approach is how Johnno will go in the forwards, and it is of course the correct approach. Playing a straight up 3 man inside line with two smallish corner men would be playing into the hands of the strongest line on the Sligo team. If I was Johnno I would play Dillon off the two. I know we re used to the idea of a left footed freetaker in the team but most counties make do with one freetaker. That would allow him to pick Dillon, Andy and Trevor on the one team which is something he will want to do. I cant see him drop any of them.
Unless injuries simplify matters it is going to be a fascinating pick, fraught with danger for the manager. He cant afford to get it wrong. He ll also be wary of pissing off senior players by dropping them after they, in fairness, did a lot right during the league. I think Howley might be the only major casualty. Conor would sit one out knowing his chance will come again soon. Varley too will be looking forward if he is nt picked.
Once upon a time the real Mayo team would only emerge by Connacht final time. Willie Joe and Jimmy Bourke would still have their winter- coats on by June 1st. We need to have it right the next day. We cant afford to be making changes to rescue the game or chase a lead down. Subs like Harte, Ronaldson and Conoreen hopefully will be used to shut out the game.
Just trawled through the local mayo pages, in fairness some good reading, maughan article is good read, I was just thinking myself, Mayo have had some amount of challenge games, might head down to Hollymount tomorrow, but with Dublin playing Westmeath the day after its hard to see them sending there strongest team down.
I am fascinated as to which team JOM will name.
Sligo have beaten Leitrim, drew with Kildare after being 1-6 to 0-1 down, and play Clare this weekend. I suppose some seniors and the subs played against Leitrim and Fermanagh juniors.
Good news for Sligo is Mullen is back from injury and Quinn, we have a fully fit squad. Fingers crossed it will stay that way. From what i seen of the Sligo lads, they are showing Championship sharpness and intensity which is good, i hear the 15 v15 games at training are unreal intense aswell and in fairness to Sligo we have bloody good second 15 to give the other lads a run for there money.
I think we are at a slight advantage in that we know our starting 15, weve been moulding a style of play and certain players suit, it is very creative when it gets going. Cant wait for the game to be honest.
And at least this time I cant see ye complaining afterwards that ye werent tested in the run up to galway as in 2008. ;)
Sligo played Clare this night last week in my clubs home pitch. I think it ended in a draw. Not 100% sure though
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 20, 2010, 02:05:23 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on May 20, 2010, 01:59:34 PM
Cunniffe played CB against Galway in the connacht final 2 years ago in Castlebar and was one the best performers as far as i can remember. I'd be confident with him there, won't let anyone down IMO.
Are you sure he wasnt wing back? Heaney was Centre back if I recall.
Could be right alright. I remember him playin CB in the all ireland u21 semi loss to Laois in the hyde and he was savage that day, obviously senior is a world away from u21 but still not a bad sign.
Quote from: galwayman on May 20, 2010, 11:08:59 PM
Sligo played Clare this night last week in my clubs home pitch. I think it ended in a draw. Not 100% sure though
Your probably right as the county player wasnt specific when, he though early last week Kildare up first though. If what you say is true that meant Clare on thursday, Fermanagh on Friday and Kildare on Sat/sun....
Disappointed in a draw as Clare are poor, but challenges result are not important.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 20, 2010, 10:55:47 PM
Just trawled through the local mayo pages, in fairness some good reading, maughan article is good read, I was just thinking myself, Mayo have had some amount of challenge games, might head down to Hollymount tomorrow, but with Dublin playing Westmeath the day after its hard to see them sending there strongest team down.
I am fascinated as to which team JOM will name.
Sligo have beaten Leitrim, drew with Kildare after being 1-6 to 0-1 down, and play Clare this weekend. I suppose some seniors and the subs played against Leitrim and Fermanagh juniors.
Good news for Sligo is Mullen is back from injury and Quinn, we have a fully fit squad. Fingers crossed it will stay that way. From what i seen of the Sligo lads, they are showing Championship sharpness and intensity which is good, i hear the 15 v15 games at training are unreal intense aswell and in fairness to Sligo we have bloody good second 15 to give the other lads a run for there money.
I think we are at a slight advantage in that we know our starting 15, weve been moulding a style of play and certain players suit, it is very creative when it gets going. Cant wait for the game to be honest.
And at least this time I cant see ye complaining afterwards that ye werent tested in the run up to galway as in 2008. ;)
Disagree Sligonian. I expect Dublin to tog a strong team against us. Equally the team we start against Dublin may be a good indicator of how Johnno is thinking. It has to be. I take your point about the starting 15 being settled. Ours isn t but not necessarily a bad thing. We got to a league final with mix and match selections. The Cork game could work in our favour yet. We got a timely wake-up call. If likes of Trevor, Andy , Parsons don't step up I'd be very surprised. I m really looking forward to this one. As I ve said already these games could be the making of us. We do however need to remain injury free in crucial personnel.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 20, 2010, 11:42:15 PM
Quote from: galwayman on May 20, 2010, 11:08:59 PM
Sligo played Clare this night last week in my clubs home pitch. I think it ended in a draw. Not 100% sure though
Your probably right as the county player wasnt specific when, he though early last week Kildare up first though. If what you say is true that meant Clare on thursday, Fermanagh on Friday and Kildare on Sat/sun....
Disappointed in a draw as Clare are poor, but challenges result are not important.
Yet you might head to Hollymount to see Mayo play Dublin!!!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 21, 2010, 12:07:22 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 20, 2010, 11:42:15 PM
Quote from: galwayman on May 20, 2010, 11:08:59 PM
Sligo played Clare this night last week in my clubs home pitch. I think it ended in a draw. Not 100% sure though
Your probably right as the county player wasnt specific when, he though early last week Kildare up first though. If what you say is true that meant Clare on thursday, Fermanagh on Friday and Kildare on Sat/sun....
Disappointed in a draw as Clare are poor, but challenges result are not important.
Yet you might head to Hollymount to see Mayo play Dublin!!!
Results arent important, but im curious as to the individual performances. In challenege games leading up to championship you will see players not really playing for the team, each player will try and stand out and be that extra greedy. To obviously try and break into the starting championship. Also ive never seen some of the Mayo players play so wouldnt mind another look. Another thing i look out for is sharpness and intensity, thankfully our lads are showing that. I am pretty bored at the min, but when writing that I didnt know where Hollymount is, and unfortunetly I dont have permission to take the 96 astra as its long way from Cliffoney. :D
Is the game going to be an all-ticket affair or will there be tickets for sale on the day?
Right now, I'm rarin' to go but I don't make any sort of long term plans unless I really have to.
I know I can get a pair of tickets from friends in Swinford but I'd prefer to let somebody else have them in case I can't make the game.
It s going to be all-ticket. Whether or not tickets will be available on the day depends on interest and sales the week before in the clubs. This Saturday night fixture is a novel one and difficult to call how it will affect attendances. With Sligo going well you would expect them to attend well. Hard to know how it ll go in Mayo. Not any interest so far anyway.
Interesting talk about the team. There is definately a lot more options available to us this year ahead of any other year.
Definately think B Moran can and will be a key player for us. I would like to see him given a run in midfield in a challenge game. Not because i think he will start there or should start there but if he is picked at no.14/15 for us, there may come a time in the game when we may need him around the middle to win some more ball if the tide has turned.
Agree with Moysider about the Sligo full-back line. Prob their strongest line while their half-back line may be the weakest (prob better attacking like our half-backs). We should pick our team based on this fact.
The 2 corner backs are very good man-markers but aren't the biggest so maybe for this game we could put the twin towers in there and upset them. Could have the two named at 13 & 15 with someone like Dillon/Varley/Conor/Killer [very good options] at 14 but playing behind them.
Alan/Enda/Conor/Aidan
Aidan O'Shea B Moran
I wouldn't be surprised to see Billy Joe at 11 for this one.
I can see Keith Higgins and Vaughan in corners [not my preference but trying to think in JOM's frame of mind] Pace in the two corner forwards for Sligo.
Gardiner Cunniffe McLoughlin in half back line.
I reckon our midfield partnership could be anything. I wouldn't be surprised if he left Parsons and Seamie.
[I wonder what Harte and Seamie O'Shea would be like as partnership???]
Not sure on 10 and 12.
Via the great blog: Green and Red
Mayo (SF v Dublin 21/5/2010): David Clarke;
Trevor Howley, Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins;
Donal Vaughan, Tom Cunniffe, Kevin McLoughlin;
Tom Parsons, Ronan McGarrity;
Andy Moran, Billy Joe Padden, Trevor Mortimer;
Conor Mortimer, Barry Moran, Alan Freeman.
Looking like those 4 are set for Sligo. Interesting that Freeman is given a go. Good player and JOM is using him a fair bit
How come you think Billy Padden is set to start Vs Sligo?
Interesting selection. They could be the six backs so. All he has to do is find places for O Sé X2 and Dillon.
18 pages so far, and the game still weeks away :o
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 21, 2010, 05:50:49 PM
Via the great blog: Green and Red
Mayo (SF v Dublin 21/5/2010): David Clarke;
Trevor Howley, Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins;
Donal Vaughan, Tom Cunniffe, Kevin McLoughlin;
Tom Parsons, Ronan McGarrity;
Andy Moran, Billy Joe Padden, Trevor Mortimer;
Conor Mortimer, Barry Moran, Alan Freeman.
Looking like those 4 are set for Sligo. Interesting that Freeman is given a go. Good player and JOM is using him a fair bit
Freeman started the last night but was taken of at half time. Hes getting the chances all right but I doubt he'll break in if all are fit.
Of the full back, line going on last wednesday, Higgins is the man in danger. He needs to start getting a run of form going. Hope he goes well tonight. The weather wasnt great the last day but he spent most of the second half on his hole. Barrett played very well.
In the half back line McLoughlin played very well. Gardiner was also good. Its hard to know about Cunniffe. He played well but Howley would have done as much on the same night. Its how he does on the big day that will tell a tale. Time will tell. Im not so sure but. I think Id prefer Vaughan here.
Andy Moran showed his early league form and was flying. The 2 O'Sheas had poor games. Barry Moran got no ball in the first half but caused problem in the second when he did. I think he finished with 4 points.
One thing that was noticeable was the difference in intensity between Mayo and Westmeath. Mayo lads seemed to be fighting for places big time.
Just picked it up on Mid-West that Mayo won by 1-19 to 0-14
Jaysus thats good scoring. Had they any match report
Quote from: Shrewdness on May 21, 2010, 07:50:33 PM
18 pages so far, and the game still weeks away :o
Its Mayo thats playing, and sure we talk a great game. ;)
Quote from: criostlinn on May 21, 2010, 08:48:17 PM
Freeman started the last night but was taken of at half time. Hes getting the chances all right but I doubt he'll break in if all are fit.
Of the full back, line going on last wednesday, Higgins is the man in danger. He needs to start getting a run of form going. Hope he goes well tonight. The weather wasnt great the last day but he spent most of the second half on his hole. Barrett played very well.
In the half back line McLoughlin played very well. Gardiner was also good. Its hard to know about Cunniffe. He played well but Howley would have done as much on the same night. Its how he does on the big day that will tell a tale. Time will tell. Im not so sure but. I think Id prefer Vaughan here.
Andy Moran showed his early league form and was flying. The 2 O'Sheas had poor games. Barry Moran got no ball in the first half but caused problem in the second when he did. I think he finished with 4 points.
One thing that was noticeable was the difference in intensity between Mayo and Westmeath. Mayo lads seemed to be fighting for places big time.
I wasn't at the match, this is a copy and paste from mayogaablog.com on tonights game:
Quote
Backs and midfield did very well especially McGarrity. Keith Higgins excellent.
Cafferkey had a good game on Broga.Andy Moran was very good.
Barry Moran did quite well.
This is info from the brother.
A good performance by all accounts.
That will more than likely be the starting back line for the Sligo game.
As said there, that looks like our back line, I'm quite happy with it, only three switches but it's a long way improved from our league final backline. Tough on Barrett, but its good to have him to bring in.
Throw in Dillon and O'Shea x 2, take out Parsons, Freeman and one other and you have the team for the Sligo game. I would make Trevor the other to drop, but then who would captain? Would like to see Dillon given a shot at the captaincy. Maybe they'll make space for Gardiner, but that would be harsh on Vaughan or McLoughlin.
Good to see there's still a bit of competition for places despite the Cork debacle. Any more challenges or is that it now until the big one?
Quote from: Shrewdness on May 21, 2010, 07:50:33 PM
18 pages so far, and the game still weeks away :o
If they handed out All-Irelands for talking about football Mayo lads would be carting them about in wheelbarrows.
Old joke I know but worth recycling on occasion. ;)
In fairness they put a lot of effort in. In Galway people don't seem to get half as worked up about the fortunes of the football team. If they win nice. If not there's always the hurlers, or the races or the rest of the Summer to look forward to. Living up to the laid back stereotype a bit too much. A pity really.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 22, 2010, 02:12:56 AM
Quote from: Shrewdness on May 21, 2010, 07:50:33 PM
18 pages so far, and the game still weeks away :o
If they handed out All-Irelands for talking about football Mayo lads would be carting them about in wheelbarrows.
Old joke I know but worth recycling on occasion. ;)
In fairness they put a lot of effort in. In Galway people don't seem to get half as worked up about the fortunes of the football team. If they win nice. If not there's always the hurlers, or the races or the rest of the Summer to look forward to. Living up to the laid back stereotype a bit too much. A pity really.
The lack of interest in the sport in Galway always surprised me when I lived there - and I was there in 2001. The majority of people just didn't care about the All -Ireland, not in an arrogant way or anything, they just weren't interested. It's a pity because if Galway brought the crowds and interest that Mayo did it would be some rivalry, but as it is Mayo always seem to outnumber Galway fans regardless of where matches between the two are played.
If Mayo get past Sligo, how many fans would Galway bring to a Connacht Semi in Castlebar this year? 5000 maybe - would they even bring that many?
Match report in todays Examiner. Looks like Mayo were impressive!!
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/mayo-deliver-blow-to-dublins-championship-preparations-120465.html
Was in Hollymount. Hard to know how JOM is thinking but I think we've a good idea about our six backs anyway. Cafferkey at 3, Higgins at 4, Cunniffe at 6 and McLoughlin at 7 look nailed on. Battle then between Vaughan and Gardiner for 5 and between Howley, Barrett and Vaughan for 2. Vaughan wasn't togged so Gardiner started at 5. Didn't do well. Then it depends what was wrong with Vaughan.
McGarrity looks nailed on for 8 - he played the whole game, but then JOM might be just trying to see how he is after 70 mins. Parsons started and worked reasonably well. Seamie O'Shea came on at half-time and did okay without being spectacular. A battle between O'Shea and Parsons perhaps. Personally I think it has to be O'Shea but who knows. Certainly it is a long time since O'Mahony played O'Shea in the half-forward line so it looks like its two from three at midfield.
Andy Moran did well at wing-forward, one awful kick pass to Conor notwithstanding. Billy Joe was only so so on the 40. Can't see him starting. Trevor got through a lot of work and didn't turn over as much ball as he normally does but, but, but can we have confidence? It would be a big call to drop him and I'd be inclined to see Johnno starting him.
Alan Freeman was veyr lively in corner forward, kicked three great points and did the hard work for Trevor's goal. Barry Moran was good, a threat, without being brilliant. Looks in-form though and confident. Conor was okay, kicked his frees but didn't bust a gut either.
Aidan O'Shea came on with fifteen to go. Did okay. Himself and Barry Moran beside each other. Might be how JOM is thinking. Might not either. Varley didn't get much game time either. Ronaldson came on at half-time but wasn't able to prove much out in the half-forward line.
On revision, and I know this might have to be revised again, but this is probably JOM's team at the minute
Clarke
Howley Caff Higgins
Vaughan Cunniffe McLoughlin
McGarrity Parsons
A Moran A Dillon T Mort
C Mort A O'Shea B Moran.
That depends on Dillon's injury. I'm worried Seamie O'Shea won't make it. I think he should be in ahead of Parsons. I would worry about Howley's pacein the corner but think JOM will start him before Barrett.
Thanks for that Sniper. I d say you wont be too far out with that. It ll be ironic if two of our best league performers lose out. Did Harte get a run at all?
Quote from: moysider on May 22, 2010, 03:31:51 PM
Thanks for that Sniper. I d say you wont be too far out with that. It ll be ironic if two of our best league performers lose out. Did Harte get a run at all?
It'll be beyond ironic. Our three best league performers were, in my opinion, S O'Shea, Vaughan and Varley so it looks like Va Va doom for Vaughan and Varley! Seriously though there ought to be no doubt about Vaughan and O'Shea. I could somewhat understand Varley losing out if, tactically, JOM went for two big inside men and one smaller man and that man was Mortimer the younger. But Varley could consider himself very hard done by. If JOM decides to go with only one of B Moran and A O'Shea inside, then Varley absolutely has to start. If the above team I have touted start, well it begs a lot of questions about a willingness for change.
Harte came on centre-half forward for about 15 mins. Kicked one beaut off outside of his left but his main involvement outside of that was body checking Dublin runners, which he seemed very preoccupied with! No harm in that though.
I don't think even he thinks he'll start but he's a great option to have off the bench for the half-forward line.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 22, 2010, 05:32:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 22, 2010, 03:31:51 PM
Thanks for that Sniper. I d say you wont be too far out with that. It ll be ironic if two of our best league performers lose out. Did Harte get a run at all?
It'll be beyond ironic. Our three best league performers were, in my opinion, S O'Shea, Vaughan and Varley so it looks like Va Va doom for Vaughan and Varley! Seriously though there ought to be no doubt about Vaughan and O'Shea. I could somewhat understand Varley losing out if, tactically, JOM went for two big inside men and one smaller man and that man was Mortimer the younger. But Varley could consider himself very hard done by. If JOM decides to go with only one of B Moran and A O'Shea inside, then Varley absolutely has to start. If the above team I have touted start, well it begs a lot of questions about a willingness for change.
Harte came on centre-half forward for about 15 mins. Kicked one beaut off outside of his left but his main involvement outside of that was body checking Dublin runners, which he seemed very preoccupied with! No harm in that though.
I don't think even he thinks he'll start but he's a great option to have off the bench for the half-forward line.
And Chris Barrett has hardly put a foot wrong every time he has played.
Quote from: moysider on May 22, 2010, 10:26:27 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 22, 2010, 05:32:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 22, 2010, 03:31:51 PM
Thanks for that Sniper. I d say you wont be too far out with that. It ll be ironic if two of our best league performers lose out. Did Harte get a run at all?
It'll be beyond ironic. Our three best league performers were, in my opinion, S O'Shea, Vaughan and Varley so it looks like Va Va doom for Vaughan and Varley! Seriously though there ought to be no doubt about Vaughan and O'Shea. I could somewhat understand Varley losing out if, tactically, JOM went for two big inside men and one smaller man and that man was Mortimer the younger. But Varley could consider himself very hard done by. If JOM decides to go with only one of B Moran and A O'Shea inside, then Varley absolutely has to start. If the above team I have touted start, well it begs a lot of questions about a willingness for change.
Harte came on centre-half forward for about 15 mins. Kicked one beaut off outside of his left but his main involvement outside of that was body checking Dublin runners, which he seemed very preoccupied with! No harm in that though.
I don't think even he thinks he'll start but he's a great option to have off the bench for the half-forward line.
And Chris Barrett has hardly put a foot wrong every time he has played.
S O'Shea will start in my opinion, has been important for Mayo all this year and I'd say O'Mahony will start him somewhere. In relation to Vaughan and Varley, well Vaughan will definitely be unlucky if he doesn't start against Sligo, especially if it's to a player who has barely played this year, however if O'Mahony feels that the half-backs will be too young and inexperienced without Gardiner then you'd have to trust him there. Varley, while having played well when he's played, will find it hard to start because Barry Moran is back and playing well by all accounts and that pretty much fills the FF line. I don't think is unfair, ironic maybe but Moran is a better/safer option and Varley, I think, hasn't even started a game of Championship football for Mayo before.
Is Vaughan injured at the moment. He has missed the last two challenge games
QuoteHowever, with Bernard Brogan struggling to get any change out of Mayo full-back Ger Cafferkey, Dublin struggled for scores.
wouldnt it be great to see that line later in the summer
The lads at the Mayo News have a podcast, this week's talks about the Cavan challenge (oxymoran?) among other things.
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9816:audio-football-podcast-8-championship-build-up-rule-changes-best-mayo-team-&catid=87:sport-football-podcast&Itemid=100166
Quote from: rosnarun on May 23, 2010, 06:10:13 AM
QuoteHowever, with Bernard Brogan struggling to get any change out of Mayo full-back Ger Cafferkey, Dublin struggled for scores.
wouldnt it be great to see that line later in the summer
You needn't worry you won't. We'll be long gone by then.
Howley limped out of the game last night between Knockmore and Ballintubber. Tightened hamstring, he should be ok though.
McGarrity and Cafferkey missed the league match last evening.
Lads, how is Ronaldson travelling this weather? He had a massive league by all accounts, and if I was to play the 2 big men FF line with a nippy corner forward, his pace would be excellent, in the same way Kilcoyne was last year.
Conor is a great man to bring off the bench, and can make an impact in a game, esp with tiring defenders, but he's not as quick as Kilcoyne/Ronaldson....
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on May 24, 2010, 12:09:00 AM
Lads, how is Ronaldson travelling this weather? He had a massive league by all accounts, and if I was to play the 2 big men FF line with a nippy corner forward, his pace would be excellent, in the same way Kilcoyne was last year.
Conor is a great man to bring off the bench, and can make an impact in a game, esp with tiring defenders, but he's not as quick as Kilcoyne/Ronaldson....
And our lads showed serious signs of tiredness in Croke park a few weeks ago. ::)
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 24, 2010, 09:45:24 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on May 24, 2010, 12:09:00 AM
Lads, how is Ronaldson travelling this weather? He had a massive league by all accounts, and if I was to play the 2 big men FF line with a nippy corner forward, his pace would be excellent, in the same way Kilcoyne was last year.
Conor is a great man to bring off the bench, and can make an impact in a game, esp with tiring defenders, but he's not as quick as Kilcoyne/Ronaldson....
And our lads showed serious signs of tiredness in Croke park a few weeks ago. ::)
Aye and imagine how tired they are now with all the sleepless nights they've been having..... ;)
Quote from: ballinaman on May 24, 2010, 11:45:50 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 24, 2010, 09:45:24 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on May 24, 2010, 12:09:00 AM
Lads, how is Ronaldson travelling this weather? He had a massive league by all accounts, and if I was to play the 2 big men FF line with a nippy corner forward, his pace would be excellent, in the same way Kilcoyne was last year.
Conor is a great man to bring off the bench, and can make an impact in a game, esp with tiring defenders, but he's not as quick as Kilcoyne/Ronaldson....
And our lads showed serious signs of tiredness in Croke park a few weeks ago. ::)
Aye and imagine how tired they are now with all the sleepless nights they've been having..... ;)
The only man having sleepless nights is JOM, if ye lose he is gone, under serious pressure.....
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 24, 2010, 11:50:00 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on May 24, 2010, 11:45:50 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 24, 2010, 09:45:24 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on May 24, 2010, 12:09:00 AM
Lads, how is Ronaldson travelling this weather? He had a massive league by all accounts, and if I was to play the 2 big men FF line with a nippy corner forward, his pace would be excellent, in the same way Kilcoyne was last year.
Conor is a great man to bring off the bench, and can make an impact in a game, esp with tiring defenders, but he's not as quick as Kilcoyne/Ronaldson....
And our lads showed serious signs of tiredness in Croke park a few weeks ago. ::)
Aye and imagine how tired they are now with all the sleepless nights they've been having..... ;)
The only man having sleepless nights is JOM, if ye lose he is gone, under serious pressure.....
Gone? Or under pressure? Make up your mind.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 24, 2010, 12:03:27 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 24, 2010, 11:50:00 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on May 24, 2010, 11:45:50 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 24, 2010, 09:45:24 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on May 24, 2010, 12:09:00 AM
Lads, how is Ronaldson travelling this weather? He had a massive league by all accounts, and if I was to play the 2 big men FF line with a nippy corner forward, his pace would be excellent, in the same way Kilcoyne was last year.
Conor is a great man to bring off the bench, and can make an impact in a game, esp with tiring defenders, but he's not as quick as Kilcoyne/Ronaldson....
And our lads showed serious signs of tiredness in Croke park a few weeks ago. ::)
Aye and imagine how tired they are now with all the sleepless nights they've been having..... ;)
The only man having sleepless nights is JOM, if ye lose he is gone, under serious pressure.....
Gone? Or under pressure? Make up your mind.
Under serious pressure for Sligo game at present,,,, i put it at the end to highlight my conclusion, fairly simple stuff..
Who have lined up to replace him if the inevitable happens?
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 24, 2010, 12:23:10 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 24, 2010, 12:03:27 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 24, 2010, 11:50:00 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on May 24, 2010, 11:45:50 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 24, 2010, 09:45:24 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on May 24, 2010, 12:09:00 AM
Lads, how is Ronaldson travelling this weather? He had a massive league by all accounts, and if I was to play the 2 big men FF line with a nippy corner forward, his pace would be excellent, in the same way Kilcoyne was last year.
Conor is a great man to bring off the bench, and can make an impact in a game, esp with tiring defenders, but he's not as quick as Kilcoyne/Ronaldson....
And our lads showed serious signs of tiredness in Croke park a few weeks ago. ::)
Aye and imagine how tired they are now with all the sleepless nights they've been having..... ;)
The only man having sleepless nights is JOM, if ye lose he is gone, under serious pressure.....
Gone? Or under pressure? Make up your mind.
Under serious pressure for Sligo game at present,,,, i put it at the end to highlight my conclusion, fairly simple stuff..
Well if it was simple, you wouldn't have structured the sentence the way you did. It is as clear as mud.
But he is under serious pressure. But if we lose, and there's a more than slight chance that we will, he won't be gone.
Why not? What has he to do to be axed?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 24, 2010, 08:39:09 PM
Why not? What has he to do to be axed?
Lose the following game as well.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 24, 2010, 09:45:24 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on May 24, 2010, 12:09:00 AM
Lads, how is Ronaldson travelling this weather? He had a massive league by all accounts, and if I was to play the 2 big men FF line with a nippy corner forward, his pace would be excellent, in the same way Kilcoyne was last year.
Conor is a great man to bring off the bench, and can make an impact in a game, esp with tiring defenders, but he's not as quick as Kilcoyne/Ronaldson....
And our lads showed serious signs of tiredness in Croke park a few weeks ago. ::)
I think you've misunderstood. I meant that at a time in the game (usually 55+ minutes gone) when defenders generally tire and fresh legs off the bench makes a big difference, especially if its an experienced player like C Mort.
Not a dig at Sligo defenders by any means, Jeez you're just waiting to get offended at any perceived slight
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on May 24, 2010, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 24, 2010, 09:45:24 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on May 24, 2010, 12:09:00 AM
Lads, how is Ronaldson travelling this weather? He had a massive league by all accounts, and if I was to play the 2 big men FF line with a nippy corner forward, his pace would be excellent, in the same way Kilcoyne was last year.
Conor is a great man to bring off the bench, and can make an impact in a game, esp with tiring defenders, but he's not as quick as Kilcoyne/Ronaldson....
And our lads showed serious signs of tiredness in Croke park a few weeks ago. ::)
I think you've misunderstood. I meant that at a time in the game (usually 55+ minutes gone) when defenders generally tire and fresh legs off the bench makes a big difference, especially if its an experienced player like C Mort.
Not a dig at Sligo defenders by any means, Jeez you're just waiting to get offended at any perceived slight
He knew well what you meant but Sligonian likes raise his hackles even when there is no slight intended. Fair play to him. Not sure this thread is suiting him so far. We have nt been disparaging about Sligo and we re not very bullish about our own chances.
As regards you post about tiring of course you re on the money. Especially if the weather is like last few days - and even if it is an evening game. The game does get stretched after 50 minutes. All managers should be budgeting for impact and a 20 man game. However it is 5-12 rather than corner men that you would expect to fade. Ronaldson and Conor Mort looked very good the last evening. Conor would be fancied to start of the 2 because of balance, not least with free kicking. So I see it as a choice between Conor and Varley for 13. I also think Harte can be used to great effect as a sub in this one. There is no doubt in my mind he is capable of being a big player for us if he gets a chance. Looked hungry as hell the other evening and has more edge and explosive dash that the other big men in this county don t have.
Quote from: moysider on May 24, 2010, 08:58:53 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 24, 2010, 08:39:09 PM
Why not? What has he to do to be axed?
Lose the following game as well.
If that should happen, bang goes his deposit at the next election.
Fair enough never beat the deeler, i didnt exactly raise the hackles with my reply or do i get offended without good reason. Move along nothing to see here.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 24, 2010, 10:56:34 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 24, 2010, 08:39:09 PM
Why not? What has he to do to be axed?
Lose the following game as well.
hes definitely be gone if we lost to a division 3 team, but that's not going to happen. we need to prepare for the galway game and the best wy is to experiment and aybe give a few last chances to players like cafferkey BJP Id also like to see nally douglas and Freeman get some championship time and Sligo is the place to do that
Quote from: rosnarun on May 25, 2010, 02:11:44 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 24, 2010, 10:56:34 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 24, 2010, 08:39:09 PM
Why not? What has he to do to be axed?
Lose the following game as well.
hes definitely be gone if we lost to a division 3 team, but that's not going to happen. we need to prepare for the galway game and the best wy is to experiment and aybe give a few last chances to players like cafferkey BJP Id also like to see nally douglas and Freeman get some championship time and Sligo is the place to do that
You're right. Sligo are a Div 2 team. ;)
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is howley gone aswell with injury?
Kildare played Mayo in a Senior Football Challenge in Longwood on Tuesday evening and won by 1-15 to 1-14.
Playing three periods of 25 minutes, Kildare lorded possession, amassing 15 wides to Mayo's 4 overall. The Lilies started the stronger, when Eamon Callaghan goaled in the opening minute, before points from Padraig O'Neill, Alan Smith and John Doyle helped them to a 1-5 to 0-4 lead after the first period. Mayo failed to score from play in that time, but recorded four Conor Mortimer frees.
Kildare continued to maintain their dominance in the 2nd period, finishing off some good flowing moves, with John Doyle and Ronan Sweeney seeing a lot of ball. Dermot Earley was introduced 10 minutes into this period, with no strapping on his knee & had a major influence on proceedings. Kildare led 1-12 to 0-8 at the end of the 2nd 25.
The Kildare management then made a number of changes. This allowed Mayo back into the game, and they racked up 1-6 in that time, but Kildare held on for a 1-15 to 1-14 win. Shane McCormack was unlucky for the goal. After making a great save, the rebound fell to Andy Moran to knock to the net.
Overall, Mayo found it hard to live with Kildare's forward movement at times, with James Kavanagh, Alan Smith and Eamon Callaghan to the fore before the latter two were replaced.
John O'Mahony's men were always chasing the game once Callaghan found the net so early. Gary White marshalled Aidan O'Shea well, but the big full forward made little use of the ball that went his way. Top scorers for Mayo were Andy Moran 1-4 (3f) and C Mortimer 0-5 (4f).
Kildare team:
Shane McCormack;
Hugh McGrillen, Gary White, Emmet Bolton;
Keith Cribben, Brian Flanagan, Morgan O'Flaherty;
Daryl Flynn & David Whyte;
James Kavanagh, John Doyle, Ronan Sweeney;
Alan Smith, Padraig O'Neill, Eamon Callaghan.
Subs: Dermot Earley for Whyte; Karl Ennis for Callaghan; Willie Heffernan for Smith; David Lyons for Flanagan; Aindriu MacLochlainn for Bolton, plus a number of others before the end...
Scorers: E Callaghan 1-2; A Smith, J Kavanagh 0-3 each; J Doyle 0-2 (2f); P O'Neill, K Cribben, M O'Flaherty, D Lyons 0-1 each
It's obvious i was right that aidan o'shea is not for 14 this year and alan dillon is not an 11. Was told i had no football knowledge by soem idiot but i can see from other posts that i was right.
What posts would these be
WJ - green and red blog
QuoteAlan is, of course, a certain starter in the forwards but it's far too late in the evening to start any kind of guessing game about what six will start and in what position. All I'll say is that Alan definitely shouldn't start at 11 – the league final showed yet again the futility of placing him there
QuoteAOS needs time...hes only 19( maybe 20 now??). it will all fall into place for him. As i keep saying he is NOT a full forward. I think hes just lost his confidence after all the bad games hes had in that position. Stick him in CF and we'll see him flourish. He will add physicality around the middle of the field, is a good foot passer and can take a long range score.
Obvious extra bit of pace off the mark that Barry Moran brings has been evident in the challenges he has played.
Billy Joe was the most efficient no. 11 in terms ogf his ability to get quality ball into Moran. Obvious he is a clever footballer. Don't have to speed
Don't think anyone thought dillon should be played CF and one other person thinking AOS should be played there doesn't make you right on that issue either. There is no right or wrong in these matters, IMO AOS isn't now nor ever will be an IC center forward and if he is played there this summer his performances won't prove it one way or another. We will have to see him play at least 10-15 games there over the space of 2 or 3 years before you could say if he has what it takes. For me he lacks a number of traits I would deem necessary of a CF and it is a position that requires a great deal of things if you are to be a success there.
If we actually see him play there we can judge him but it will take time and good number of games before any sensible judge of football will make definitive judgements.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 27, 2010, 12:31:47 PM
It's obvious i was right that Aidan o'shea is not for 14 this year and alan dillon is not an 11. Was told i had no football knowledge by soem idiot but i can see from other posts that i was right.
Just because WJP thinks A O'Shea should be 11 doesn't make either of ye right. It's a matter of opinion and maybe he could play there some day but your reasoning for playing O'Shea at 11 is what led me to question your knowledge of football. For example, saying he is too slow for 14 yet somehow fast enough for 11 and saying he has no natural ability.
Also, typical Mayo attitude of jumping the gun here. He has played one years senior football before this year in which he was an undoubted success. Scoring goals against New York, Roscommon and Meath in the chanpionship and absolutely roasting a full back of the quality of Conor Gormley in the league. Fair enough his league performances in 2010 have been a drop from last year and maybe he will turn out to be a top number 11 (imo he won't) but there is no doubting the man is/has been a quality number 14 in his time at senior level and (along with B Moran) is Mayo's only serious goal threat for the 1st time in ages.
QuoteFor example, saying he is too slow for 14 yet somehow fast enough for 11 and saying he has no natural ability.
It's about the initial burst you muppet. Have you ever ran. e.g. some players are better over longer distances. Barry Moran will beat Aidan o'shea over 20 metres but over a 100m it would be very close. Once O'Shea gets going at no.11 he won't be stopped.
Victor Costello (former irish rugby player who played as a no.8) was faster than dennis hickie (winger) over 30m.
He's not a natural footballer in the alan dillon/stephen o'neill mode. Natural footballers can bring others into the game with ease [no matter of age]
But he has the abilities to be a brilliant footballer but he wouldn't be considered as naturally gifted. It's not a bad thing saying that - there are very few naturally gifted footballers in Mayo. Ciaran mcdonald was, kevin o'neill to a slightly lesser degree. David Brady wasn't a natural footballer but he was a brilliant footballer! He probably had more impact than those two because of his physical attributes and his sheer desire rather than his skillls.
Ye don't have to be so narrow-minded about replying to my comments re: Aidan O'shea at no.14. There is validity to my comments. I am keeping him in my team at no. 11.
QuoteIf we actually see him play there we can judge him but it will take time and good number of games before any sensible judge of football will make definitive judgements.
Not waiting another year to challenge for Sam because we are leaving players in positions that isn't working. Everyone could see Trev Howley wasn't a no.6 and we waited until he was roasted in a national final in Croker to change him out of there. Not fair on the lad because he is game for it. Aidan O'Shea is game too but leaving at 14 is madness for this term. Last year he did alright there but i think we need his presence in half-forward line
All right? He was excellent at FF last year and is still a serious threat at FF now. If you move him out to 11 you remove the threat that he poses at 14. Do you genuinely think Mayo will be better if A O'Shea is moved from 14 to 11?? Mayo's problems are elsewhere anyway, like Trevor at 10/12 and who to play corner back with Keith Higgins.
I'm Surprised Mayo don't use Aidan O'Shea as a midfielder his height & great fielding of the ball would be a ideal position for him
Maybe in a few years he will be switched there?
Seems like Howley is out for the Sligo match. Leaves Chris Barrett to slot into the corner now i suppose.
Quote from: ballinaman on May 28, 2010, 08:01:12 AM
Seems like Howley is out for the Sligo match. Leaves Chris Barrett to slot into the corner now i suppose.
Or more likely it will be Liam O'Malley taking history into account.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 27, 2010, 02:57:11 PM
QuoteFor example, saying he is too slow for 14 yet somehow fast enough for 11 and saying he has no natural ability.
It's about the initial burst you muppet. Have you ever ran. e.g. some players are better over longer distances. Barry Moran will beat Aidan o'shea over 20 metres but over a 100m it would be very close. Once O'Shea gets going at no.11 he won't be stopped.
Victor Costello (former irish rugby player who played as a no.8) was faster than dennis hickie (winger) over 30m.
He's not a natural footballer in the alan dillon/stephen o'neill mode. Natural footballers can bring others into the game with ease [no matter of age]
But he has the abilities to be a brilliant footballer but he wouldn't be considered as naturally gifted. It's not a bad thing saying that - there are very few naturally gifted footballers in Mayo. Ciaran mcdonald was, kevin o'neill to a slightly lesser degree. David Brady wasn't a natural footballer but he was a brilliant footballer! He probably had more impact than those two because of his physical attributes and his sheer desire rather than his skillls.
Ye don't have to be so narrow-minded about replying to my comments re: Aidan O'shea at no.14. There is validity to my comments. I am keeping him in my team at no. 11.
Your point about speed off the mark vs speed over a set distance is a very valid one.
Mick O'Dwyer once said that whenever he took over a team, his first priority was to fix on the fullback. To do this, sez he, he would line the lot of them up along the endline and get them to race out to the 21, turn and come back. First over the endline again was the new fullback!
I'm not sure if he was 100% serious when he said this but Micko rarely, if ever, said anything just for fun. I think he was referring to the need to have a no. 3 who could get out to meet a ball being pumped in from outfield as he went on to say that a FB didn't need fancy footwork and the first priority was to have him keep the ball away from the area in front of goal at all costs. Micko wasn't a fan of complicated inter passing in the full back line- jus get it out to midfield as fast and as direct as possible. Maybe Aidan O'Se would wind up at no. 3 on a team managed by Micko!
Maybe Victor Costello would as well.
I'm told Vic was a useful sprinter as well as an Olympic shot-putter but I doubt he would have the other attributes needed to be an IC Gaelic player. On the other hand, I think Aidan has quite a lot but I honestly can't see him as a top class centre forward now or ever.
He will sink or swim at full forward unless I'm very much mistaken. He is tall enough and strong enough to make life difficult for any full back and should be able to outpace most in a race for the ball. He is also extremely hard to dispossess and is one of the very few current players who is willing to aim for the net. No matter how badly he might be playing, I doubt that any FB would risk letting Aidan out of his sight for a second.
The same could be said for Conoreen and Kevin O'Neill was another who needed minding at all times. Ronny is the only other of the present set up that is composed enough to have a cut when given half a chance.
I think Aidan is not playing as well as is expected of him right now because he is being asked to take over the leadership of the attack when he is only finding his feet at IC level while he has to be distracted by the Australian connection.
It may well be flattering to be looked up to by some around him who are 10 years his senior but they don't seem able to play to his strengths and he has to attempt to forage on his own. It's a bit like leaving Conoreen isolated against Gormley and then slating him for his crap display as happened in the game vs Tyrone in 2008. Aidan won't pose the same goal threat if he is moved out to the 40 or indeed when pushed into a corner either. Because of that alone, I'd prefer to see him where he is and get others to play to his undoubted strengths; then I'm confident he'll be able to live up to the 'leader' tag.
BTW; I think GBX11 has put his points very well.
Quote from: Chimley on May 28, 2010, 01:42:04 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on May 28, 2010, 08:01:12 AM
Seems like Howley is out for the Sligo match. Leaves Chris Barrett to slot into the corner now i suppose.
Or more likely it will be Liam O'Malley taking history into account.
Both could be accomodated though if O'Mahony wants O'Malley to play. Barrett at no 5 and O'Malley in the corner. Any takers?
J White is the referee for this match, a donegal man im nearly sure which worries me. It rarely happens but hopefully he'll be fair too both sides.
Is Howley much of loss?
Well my Dad is a Donegal man he's always liked Sligo over Mayo maybe White will feel the same Sligonian ;)
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 27, 2010, 02:57:11 PM
Victor Costello (former irish rugby player who played as a no.8) was faster than dennis hickie (winger) over 30m.
I would love to see you back up that statement!!! Costello had a burst of pace but to beat one of irelands fastest wingers ever over 30m is stretchig it a wee bit!
Quote from: ludermor on May 28, 2010, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 27, 2010, 02:57:11 PM
Victor Costello (former irish rugby player who played as a no.8) was faster than dennis hickie (winger) over 30m.
I would love to see you back up that statement!!! Costello had a burst of pace but to beat one of irelands fastest wingers ever over 30m is stretchig it a wee bit!
I needed a laugh. Thanks. :D :D :D :D :D :D
Unless the 'm' in 30m stands for meals?
Quote from: muppet on May 28, 2010, 08:46:12 PM
Quote from: ludermor on May 28, 2010, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 27, 2010, 02:57:11 PM
Victor Costello (former irish rugby player who played as a no.8) was faster than dennis hickie (winger) over 30m.
I would love to see you back up that statement!!! Costello had a burst of pace but to beat one of irelands fastest wingers ever over 30m is stretchig it a wee bit!
I needed a laugh. Thanks. :D :D :D :D :D :D
Unless the 'm' in 30m stands for meals?
it's true.. obviously after that 30metres there was only one winner. Have any of ye any clue about running at all? Did ye see Jamie Heaslip against Munster. Speed merchant and he's 18st. It's measured over a distance. Why do you think there is so many race distances?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 28, 2010, 01:56:40 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 27, 2010, 02:57:11 PM
QuoteFor example, saying he is too slow for 14 yet somehow fast enough for 11 and saying he has no natural ability.
It's about the initial burst you muppet. Have you ever ran. e.g. some players are better over longer distances. Barry Moran will beat Aidan o'shea over 20 metres but over a 100m it would be very close. Once O'Shea gets going at no.11 he won't be stopped.
Victor Costello (former irish rugby player who played as a no.8) was faster than dennis hickie (winger) over 30m.
He's not a natural footballer in the alan dillon/stephen o'neill mode. Natural footballers can bring others into the game with ease [no matter of age]
But he has the abilities to be a brilliant footballer but he wouldn't be considered as naturally gifted. It's not a bad thing saying that - there are very few naturally gifted footballers in Mayo. Ciaran mcdonald was, kevin o'neill to a slightly lesser degree. David Brady wasn't a natural footballer but he was a brilliant footballer! He probably had more impact than those two because of his physical attributes and his sheer desire rather than his skillls.
Ye don't have to be so narrow-minded about replying to my comments re: Aidan O'shea at no.14. There is validity to my comments. I am keeping him in my team at no. 11.
Your point about speed off the mark vs speed over a set distance is a very valid one.
Mick O'Dwyer once said that whenever he took over a team, his first priority was to fix on the fullback. To do this, sez he, he would line the lot of them up along the endline and get them to race out to the 21, turn and come back. First over the endline again was the new fullback!
I'm not sure if he was 100% serious when he said this but Micko rarely, if ever, said anything just for fun. I think he was referring to the need to have a no. 3 who could get out to meet a ball being pumped in from outfield as he went on to say that a FB didn't need fancy footwork and the first priority was to have him keep the ball away from the area in front of goal at all costs. Micko wasn't a fan of complicated inter passing in the full back line- jus get it out to midfield as fast and as direct as possible. Maybe Aidan O'Se would wind up at no. 3 on a team managed by Micko!
Maybe Victor Costello would as well.
I'm told Vic was a useful sprinter as well as an Olympic shot-putter but I doubt he would have the other attributes needed to be an IC Gaelic player. On the other hand, I think Aidan has quite a lot but I honestly can't see him as a top class centre forward now or ever.
He will sink or swim at full forward unless I'm very much mistaken. He is tall enough and strong enough to make life difficult for any full back and should be able to outpace most in a race for the ball. He is also extremely hard to dispossess and is one of the very few current players who is willing to aim for the net. No matter how badly he might be playing, I doubt that any FB would risk letting Aidan out of his sight for a second.
The same could be said for Conoreen and Kevin O'Neill was another who needed minding at all times. Ronny is the only other of the present set up that is composed enough to have a cut when given half a chance.
I think Aidan is not playing as well as is expected of him right now because he is being asked to take over the leadership of the attack when he is only finding his feet at IC level while he has to be distracted by the Australian connection.
It may well be flattering to be looked up to by some around him who are 10 years his senior but they don't seem able to play to his strengths and he has to attempt to forage on his own. It's a bit like leaving Conoreen isolated against Gormley and then slating him for his crap display as happened in the game vs Tyrone in 2008. Aidan won't pose the same goal threat if he is moved out to the 40 or indeed when pushed into a corner either. Because of that alone, I'd prefer to see him where he is and get others to play to his undoubted strengths; then I'm confident he'll be able to live up to the 'leader' tag.
BTW; I think GBX11 has put his points very well.
I think Barry Moran is as good a goal threat and prob better at bringing others into the game from 14. He hasn't played much for Mayo but he is a little wiser. Aidan is under pressure at 14 because we expect the same effect as Donaghy but he doesn't have the tools in the box to do that yet. Donaghy was about 25 (i think) when he was put in full forward. Aidan is trying to barge his way through lads for goals when he should be laying it off. He naturally like other young players is judging his performance primarily on what he adds to the scoreboard. It's human nature for a younger member of the panel to be like that. It ends up with them not always taking the right option. I'd say Donaghy doesnt give a flying f**k if he gets on the scoreboard.
For now Aidan is better suited to no.11 where we could do with his height, strength and superb long-range point taking. We seem to pinning our hopes on him getting an odd goal here and there. That isn't enough i'm afraid. We have the corner forwards this year to do some damage.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 29, 2010, 01:09:06 AM
Quote from: muppet on May 28, 2010, 08:46:12 PM
Quote from: ludermor on May 28, 2010, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 27, 2010, 02:57:11 PM
Victor Costello (former irish rugby player who played as a no.8) was faster than dennis hickie (winger) over 30m.
I would love to see you back up that statement!!! Costello had a burst of pace but to beat one of irelands fastest wingers ever over 30m is stretchig it a wee bit!
I needed a laugh. Thanks. :D :D :D :D :D :D
Unless the 'm' in 30m stands for meals?
it's true.. obviously after that 30metres there was only one winner. Have any of ye any clue about running at all? Did ye see Jamie Heaslip against Munster. Speed merchant and he's 18st. It's measured over a distance. Why do you think there is so many race distances?
Stop your killing me. :D :D :D :D :D Hickie hopped quicker than Victor sprinted.
Jeysus if only the Olympics had a 30m race. We'd have loads of Olympic golds. Victor 'Bolt' Costello, Jamie 'Abbot' Heaslip. Feck it the Claw was lightning over a foot.
Foreverhopeful, don't let them get to you; they're just a pack of jackasses, the whole effin' lot of them. A clutch of amadawns, as my granny used to say.
Here's the fella that will prove they are all talking through their tailpipes.
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/10/16/jonahlomu_narrowweb__300x358,0.jpg
I bet the lot of them never heard of Jonah Lomu; that big lad could run even faster than me when last orders were being called. :D
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 29, 2010, 01:09:06 AM
Quote from: muppet on May 28, 2010, 08:46:12 PM
Quote from: ludermor on May 28, 2010, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 27, 2010, 02:57:11 PM
Victor Costello (former irish rugby player who played as a no.8) was faster than dennis hickie (winger) over 30m.
I would love to see you back up that statement!!! Costello had a burst of pace but to beat one of irelands fastest wingers ever over 30m is stretchig it a wee bit!
I needed a laugh. Thanks. :D :D :D :D :D :D
Unless the 'm' in 30m stands for meals?
it's true.. obviously after that 30metres there was only one winner. Have any of ye any clue about running at all? Did ye see Jamie Heaslip against Munster. Speed merchant and he's 18st. It's measured over a distance. Why do you think there is so many race distances?
Ah will ya stop! Nobody is saying he wasnt quick but he was nowhere near as quick as Hickey over 30m!
If its so obviously true then you will have no problem backing it up! Denis Hickey was a school spint champion, Costello was a shot putt champion. He must be kicking himself that he chose the wrong sport for him to specialise in!
Not sure what the rest of your post is about to be honest.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 29, 2010, 10:47:44 AM
Foreverhopeful, don't let them get to you; they're just a pack of jackasses, the whole effin' lot of them. A clutch of amadawns, as my granny used to say.
Here's the fella that will prove they are all talking through their tailpipes.
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/10/16/jonahlomu_narrowweb__300x358,0.jpg
I bet the lot of them never heard of Jonah Lomu; that big lad could run even faster than me when last orders were being called. :D
cheers
Thats it? No backup whatever? Come on there must be a youtube link, a paper reference or something!!! It cant be that you just made it up!
Surely not....
I hope foreverfullofshit isnt watching the Magner League final where Heasllip was left for dust by Lee Byrne , it was only over 15m, maybe if it was 30m he would have caught him ;)
Lar noone has said big fellas cant be fast im just saying that Victor Costello was not quicker than Hickey.
foreverfullofshit (what a nickname :D ) has everyone debating the pace of rugby players (because he cant back it up) as well as not letting go the point about AOS for god knows how many threads and pages even though he is not convincing anyone, and nobody even cares at this stage.
Any team news from either camp?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 29, 2010, 10:47:44 AM
Foreverhopeful, don't let them get to you; they're just a pack of jackasses, the whole effin' lot of them. A clutch of amadawns, as my granny used to say.
Here's the fella that will prove they are all talking through their tailpipes.
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/10/16/jonahlomu_narrowweb__300x358,0.jpg
I bet the lot of them never heard of Jonah Lomu; that big lad could run even faster than me when last orders were being called. :D
A bit harsh
In relation to team news I would be a little worried about Keith Higgins
Quote from: GBXII on May 29, 2010, 09:25:00 PM
In relation to team news I would be a little worried about Keith Higgins
Very good point. Hard to see him being right. For those who haven't heard, Mayo hurler Adrian Freeman was killed in a car crash in Australia in the last 24 hours. He'd be roughly the same age as Keith and they would have lived a few miles apart in Ballyhaunis and Tooreen. Awful news about Adrian. He was a real gem of a hurler too. Next to Keith in importance for Mayo.
EDIT: Add Alan Freeman to that. His own clubmate. No relation but similar age, about three or so years apart. Would have hurled and played football together.
Is he a first cousin of Alan Freeman ?
No. A brother of Cathal. Alan is no relation at all, even though they're from the same club and very talented footballers.
Really is sad news. Was talking to a lad who knew him well this morning. He was just after getting the message and was totally shocked. Nice to see him remembered before the Galway match
Awful news. My thoughts go out to his family and friends.
I had heard about Adrian and his ability as a hurler. People down there were hoping he'd soon return home and take up where he had left off and now that is not to be.
RIP
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 29, 2010, 09:34:37 PM
Quote from: GBXII on May 29, 2010, 09:25:00 PM
In relation to team news I would be a little worried about Keith Higgins
Very good point. Hard to see him being right. For those who haven't heard, Mayo hurler Adrian Freeman was killed in a car crash in Australia in the last 24 hours. He'd be roughly the same age as Keith and they would have lived a few miles apart in Ballyhaunis and Tooreen. Awful news about Adrian. He was a real gem of a hurler too. Next to Keith in importance for Mayo.
EDIT: Add Alan Freeman to that. His own clubmate. No relation but similar age, about three or so years apart. Would have hurled and played football together.
I heard this earlier but was afraid to post it in case it was wrong.
Awful news, a young fella from Kerry died too.
RIP
Very sad news, RIP
Would it drive Higgins on in a way? Wouldnt wish this on anyone but he might cope in a positive way aswell. Alot of people after devasting news sometimes find the strength to lift themselves to new heights but I wouldnt blame any man if it didnt.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 29, 2010, 11:29:07 PM
Very sad news, RIP
Would it drive Higgins on in a way? Wouldnt wish this on anyone but he might cope in a positive way aswell. Alot of people after devasting news sometimes find the strength to lift themselves to new heights but I wouldnt blame any man if it didnt.
I'd say a game of football is the last thing Keith is interested in now to be honest. Maybe by Saturday he may be, but with the delays inevitable from bringing the body home, the funeral may not be until midweek.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 29, 2010, 11:34:04 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 29, 2010, 11:29:07 PM
Very sad news, RIP
Would it drive Higgins on in a way? Wouldnt wish this on anyone but he might cope in a positive way aswell. Alot of people after devasting news sometimes find the strength to lift themselves to new heights but I wouldnt blame any man if it didnt.
I'd say a game of football is the last thing Keith is interested in now to be honest. Maybe by Saturday he may be, but with the delays inevitable from bringing the body home, the funeral may not be until midweek.
Either way I hope he finds some peace of mind.
Yeah - terribly tragic news from Australia. Puts all our skirmishes on the field and on the keyboards etc in perspective. As for Keith - to be fair to O'Mahoney I'm sure he'll know how to handle it and will help the lad as best he can. Whatever is right will be done.
TOM McNICHOLAS, the oldest surviving All-Ireland medal winner in Gaelic football
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/mcnicholas-holds-tight-to-his-golden-memories-2200476.html a good read for the Mayo fans
& RIP to the two young hurlers that died, shocking news
You know it makes me laugh when I hear the likes of longfords, westmeaths, donegals go on about if they were in Connacht they have a better chance, when you see the shite of longford/louth donegal/down games, and we might face Galway or Mayo first round every yr, its way harder, any chance of letting Sligo into Ulster? You we might get an easier first rd match... Sligo are going to have to be alot better than any team in championship so far to beat mayo. No chance of easing ourselves in like 07..
Quote from: ross4life on May 30, 2010, 07:49:08 PM
TOM McNICHOLAS, the oldest surviving All-Ireland medal winner in Gaelic football
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/mcnicholas-holds-tight-to-his-golden-memories-2200476.html a good read for the Mayo fans
Thanks for that Ross4life. I enjoyed that interview. Tom wasn't wrong about the League defeat to Cork either.
I read that interview, it was a pity he didn't get the chance to start that final... I hope that death won't affect Higgins too much. But it does put this match into pale insignificance alright.
Donegal V Down went to Extra time today, does the same happen if Sligo v Mayo end level after 70 mins?
Yes.
I thought from provincial semi finals on that games went to a replay - is that still the case? I'm open to correction on that.
You might be right Seanie, but this is a quarter final. ;D
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 30, 2010, 08:27:59 PM
You know it makes me laugh when I hear the likes of longfords, westmeaths, donegals go on about if they were in Connacht they have a better chance, when you see the shite of longford/louth donegal/down games, and we might face Galway or Mayo first round every yr, its way harder, any chance of letting Sligo into Ulster? You we might get an easier first rd match... Sligo are going to have to be alot better than any team in championship so far to beat mayo. No chance of easing ourselves in like 07..
Well said Sligonian, Munster is the only other province I would be truely worried about Mayo entering (any more so than Connacht).
Hmmmm. Looks like Mayo s casualty list growing. Kilcoyne and Howley def out and it doesn't look good for Harte either.
Quote from: moysider on May 31, 2010, 05:30:43 PM
Hmmmm. Looks like Mayo s casualty list growing. Kilcoyne and Howley def out and it doesn't look good for Harte either.
Maybe Maughan was right afterall, I hope this didn't happen in a friendly moysider. Remember Maughan's article in the Mayo Advertiser a couple of weeks ago saying the friendly schedule looked like awful punishment. Any word on Dillon from the Ballintubber boys? Will he feature?
Quote from: moysider on May 31, 2010, 05:30:43 PM
Hmmmm. Looks like Mayo s casualty list growing. Kilcoyne and Howley def out and it doesn't look good for Harte either.
I think Chris Barrett deserves a shot at corner back if this is the case. I hope Keith Higgins is OK to play in the other corner, although it would be understandable if he is not. I have huge reservations about Liam O'Malley, although on the tight pitch in Sligo he mightn't be caught out as easily as he seems to be in Croke Park. The other possibility is to drop Vaughan back into the full back line, allowing Gardiner back in alongside Cunniffe and McLoughlin, but it has been shown before that he is a far better half back than a corner back.
It's going to be difficult to second guess how O'Mahony will play them on Saturday. There isn't one nailed on line of the team from the full back line to full forward line at this stage. In contrast I would guess that Sligo's 15 is fairly set in stone. Huge potential for an upset (if it would even be considered one) in this game.
There is no way of saying this nicely so as not to hurt the Sligo lads feelings but i think we are a far superior team. Lets face facts they are a Division 3 team (Not Division 2 untill next year) and there is a vast difference in quality between the 1st and the 3rd. I think Mayo will win by +7 possibly more.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on May 31, 2010, 08:06:41 PM
There is no way of saying this nicely so as not to hurt the Sligo lads feelings but i think we are a far superior team. Lets face facts they are a Division 3 team (Not Division 2 untill next year) and there is a vast difference in quality between the 1st and the 3rd. I think Mayo will win by +7 possibly more.
You didn't hurt my feelings one bit and I'm delighted to red that. Unfortunately from my point of view not enough Mayo people seem to share your view.
Cosmo Kramer - yes, of course you are right. Extra time if level. Better than a replay in Castlebar should it arise I suppose.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on May 31, 2010, 08:06:41 PM
There is no way of saying this nicely so as not to hurt the Sligo lads feelings but i think we are a far superior team. Lets face facts they are a Division 3 team (Not Division 2 untill next year) and there is a vast difference in quality between the 1st and the 3rd. I think Mayo will win by +7 possibly more.
What will the Mayo 'team' be though? I doubt even O'Mahony knows yet who he is going to put in the different positions and this surely cannot be good.
PS, seanie and Sligonian I disagree with this post. I am actually worried about this game.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on May 31, 2010, 08:06:41 PM
There is no way of saying this nicely so as not to hurt the Sligo lads feelings but i think we are a far superior team. Lets face facts they are a Division 3 team (Not Division 2 untill next year) and there is a vast difference in quality between the 1st and the 3rd. I think Mayo will win by +7 possibly more.
I'd admire your confidence Peter. The Sligo boys would call it arrogance. If arrogance is misplaced confidence, then I'd agree with them. This is going alll the way to the wire. What will, for me, decide this game is if Sligo believe they win the game. They didn't against Galway and Kerry last year and got all rabbit in the headlights in the last few minutes. If they've developed from that, we're in for an upset. I just don't see Mayo playing well enough to win this on their own merits.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on May 31, 2010, 08:06:41 PM
There is no way of saying this nicely so as not to hurt the Sligo lads feelings but i think we are a far superior team. Lets face facts they are a Division 3 team (Not Division 2 untill next year) and there is a vast difference in quality between the 1st and the 3rd. I think Mayo will win by +7 possibly more.
:D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 31, 2010, 05:48:34 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 31, 2010, 05:30:43 PM
Hmmmm. Looks like Mayo s casualty list growing. Kilcoyne and Howley def out and it doesn't look good for Harte either.
Maybe Maughan was right afterall, I hope this didn't happen in a friendly moysider. Remember Maughan's article in the Mayo Advertiser a couple of weeks ago saying the friendly schedule looked like awful punishment. Any word on Dillon from the Ballintubber boys? Will he feature?
These things happen Farrandeelin. Harte pulled the groin in training I think. To be honest I think they needed games.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 31, 2010, 09:26:29 PM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on May 31, 2010, 08:06:41 PM
There is no way of saying this nicely so as not to hurt the Sligo lads feelings but i think we are a far superior team. Lets face facts they are a Division 3 team (Not Division 2 untill next year) and there is a vast difference in quality between the 1st and the 3rd. I think Mayo will win by +7 possibly more.
What will the Mayo 'team' be though? I doubt even O'Mahony knows yet who he is going to put in the different positions and this surely cannot be good.
PS, seanie and Sligonian I disagree with this post. I am actually worried about this game.
We all should be 'deelin.But I gave up worryin some time ago though when the penny eventually dropped that beating myself up didn't stop Mayo football managers and teams bursting into flames when the heat came on and sometimes when it didn't as well. Nothing will surprise me on Sat. evening. Unbelievably, even though Mayo played in division one and won all but a couple of games we are one of the most unsettled teams in the country. We could possibly start with a 6 and 14 that haven't played competitive county this year. Of course this could be taken as a positive as well, so much choice and so little time. I dunno. As usual we're an act of faith rather than a real team at this time of year. Yeah we may beat Sligo-and we may not- but things will be far too flaky for a long haul. I agree with Redandgreensniper. Sat. evening could be more up to Sligo.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 31, 2010, 10:07:58 PM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on May 31, 2010, 08:06:41 PM
There is no way of saying this nicely so as not to hurt the Sligo lads feelings but i think we are a far superior team. Lets face facts they are a Division 3 team (Not Division 2 untill next year) and there is a vast difference in quality between the 1st and the 3rd. I think Mayo will win by +7 possibly more.
I'd admire your confidence Peter. The Sligo boys would call it arrogance. If arrogance is misplaced confidence, then I'd agree with them. This is going alll the way to the wire. What will, for me, decide this game is if Sligo believe they win the game. They didn't against Galway and Kerry last year and got all rabbit in the headlights in the last few minutes. If they've developed from that, we're in for an upset. I just don't see Mayo playing well enough to win this on their own merits.
well said peter , i remeber the same defeatest crap befor the roscommon game last year absolutly no reason to fear sligo. their best player is well past his best and next to him is a mayo reject .Kelly is a handy corner forward but not the big burly type that cause mayo problems. I hope the mayo players have a littlebit more confidence in their abilities than most posters here. On one had slagging them off for losing national finals and on the other urging caution against 3rd division teams.
A disappointing League Final didn't do the Cork hurlers much harm did it?
Quote from: rosnarun on June 01, 2010, 01:51:28 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 31, 2010, 10:07:58 PM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on May 31, 2010, 08:06:41 PM
There is no way of saying this nicely so as not to hurt the Sligo lads feelings but i think we are a far superior team. Lets face facts they are a Division 3 team (Not Division 2 untill next year) and there is a vast difference in quality between the 1st and the 3rd. I think Mayo will win by +7 possibly more.
I'd admire your confidence Peter. The Sligo boys would call it arrogance. If arrogance is misplaced confidence, then I'd agree with them. This is going alll the way to the wire. What will, for me, decide this game is if Sligo believe they win the game. They didn't against Galway and Kerry last year and got all rabbit in the headlights in the last few minutes. If they've developed from that, we're in for an upset. I just don't see Mayo playing well enough to win this on their own merits.
well said peter , i remeber the same defeatest crap befor the roscommon game last year absolutly no reason to fear sligo. their best player is well past his best and next to him is a mayo reject .Kelly is a handy corner forward but not the big burly type that cause mayo problems. I hope the mayo players have a littlebit more confidence in their abilities than most posters here. On one had slagging them off for losing national finals and on the other urging caution against 3rd division teams.
As the game gets closer after 24 pages the Mayo arrogance & superiority complex over Sligo is beginning to raise its head-what took ye so long lads?
As regards the game and the likely lineups. Mayo will know the likely Sligo starting team and will have their team setup for each possibility. I think that the Sligo management need to change the approach or the lineup to throw Mayo off for the first few minutes - maybe start Sweeney and O'Hara in the full forward line early on to test Mayo's weakest line. However if we are getting little ball at midfield one of those 2 will have to move out to middle.
The Mayo team is harder to select but the injuries to Kilcoyne, Howley and Harte have made it slightly easier and absence of these 3 weakens their options. If B Moran & O Se start it will make it difficult for the Sligo full backs but they are able to cope with Harrisson picking up Mortimer
It has been said that there is no difference between theory and practice—in theory; in practice it's often a different matter.
In theory, Mayo should blitz Sligo.
After all, Mayo scored more and conceded less than any other team in Division 1. Even in the final Cork managed to score only one goal and that came towards the end of the game when most of the Mayo side had already lost interest in the proceedings.
On the other hand, I thought Sligo made heavy weather of defeating Antrim in Divison 3 and looking at the highlights of the recent Antrim-Tyrone game, I thought Antrim are a poor enough side; they wouldn't bate Katty Barry - as the langers could have said about Mayo.
So, in theory, Mayo should win pulling up.
But in practice, theory could go to the wall. The game is in Sligo on a tight pitch and in front of the home crowd so I wouldn't take too much for granted. A lot depends on which Mayo team turns up. Their unpredictability is the most predictable aspect of their game.
Even in the impressive league campaign they managed to squeeze in a game against Dublin, in Castlebar of all places, and one could be forgiven for thinking they had practised drills in the art of kicking wides.
Mayo seems to be beset by injuries, whereas Kevin Walsh appears to have a fairly settled side and, all in all, the gap that appears to be there in theory is been whittled away in practice.
I'm going for Mayo to win by anything from 1 to 6 points. I think we know what Sligo is capable of but the same can't be said of Mayo.
Quote from: rosnarun on June 01, 2010, 01:51:28 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 31, 2010, 10:07:58 PM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on May 31, 2010, 08:06:41 PM
There is no way of saying this nicely so as not to hurt the Sligo lads feelings but i think we are a far superior team. Lets face facts they are a Division 3 team (Not Division 2 untill next year) and there is a vast difference in quality between the 1st and the 3rd. I think Mayo will win by +7 possibly more.
I'd admire your confidence Peter. The Sligo boys would call it arrogance. If arrogance is misplaced confidence, then I'd agree with them. This is going alll the way to the wire. What will, for me, decide this game is if Sligo believe they win the game. They didn't against Galway and Kerry last year and got all rabbit in the headlights in the last few minutes. If they've developed from that, we're in for an upset. I just don't see Mayo playing well enough to win this on their own merits.
well said peter , i remeber the same defeatest crap befor the roscommon game last year absolutly no reason to fear sligo. their best player is well past his best and next to him is a mayo reject .Kelly is a handy corner forward but not the big burly type that cause mayo problems. I hope the mayo players have a littlebit more confidence in their abilities than most posters here. On one had slagging them off for losing national finals and on the other urging caution against 3rd division teams.
I genuinely hope you're right but I fear you won't be. First of all Alan Costello is a long way off Sligo's second best player. That just highlights your ignorance of them so your assessment carries no real weight. I will apologise if we win at a canter but I won't be getting that speech ready any time soon.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 01, 2010, 10:56:35 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 01, 2010, 01:51:28 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 31, 2010, 10:07:58 PM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on May 31, 2010, 08:06:41 PM
There is no way of saying this nicely so as not to hurt the Sligo lads feelings but i think we are a far superior team. Lets face facts they are a Division 3 team (Not Division 2 untill next year) and there is a vast difference in quality between the 1st and the 3rd. I think Mayo will win by +7 possibly more.
I'd admire your confidence Peter. The Sligo boys would call it arrogance. If arrogance is misplaced confidence, then I'd agree with them. This is going alll the way to the wire. What will, for me, decide this game is if Sligo believe they win the game. They didn't against Galway and Kerry last year and got all rabbit in the headlights in the last few minutes. If they've developed from that, we're in for an upset. I just don't see Mayo playing well enough to win this on their own merits.
well said peter , i remeber the same defeatest crap befor the roscommon game last year absolutly no reason to fear sligo. their best player is well past his best and next to him is a mayo reject .Kelly is a handy corner forward but not the big burly type that cause mayo problems. I hope the mayo players have a littlebit more confidence in their abilities than most posters here. On one had slagging them off for losing national finals and on the other urging caution against 3rd division teams.
I genuinely hope you're right but I fear you won't be. First of all Alan Costello is a long way off Sligo's second best player. That just highlights your ignorance of them so your assessment carries no real weight. I will apologise if we win at a canter but I won't be getting that speech ready any time soon.
You see Arrogance is the right word, because Peter obviously hasnt a clue about Sligo, only uses the league logic to back his reasoning for a comfortable win. I mean how could anyone predict the outcome of a game when you have no clue of the opposition and therefore rely on the league argument which has blown out of the water by ourselves last few yrs. Make no mistake we arent really a league team imo, we struggled early on in the heavy pitches, but summer suit us way more. I seen us last yr in the div4 final and it was shite football, the improvement against galway was huge and upward from there on. I expect the same this time.
Ros says Eamonn O Hara our best player is well past his sell by date.. :D are you serious? He certainly is good and still worth his place ahead of our fringe players but are not reliant on him at all. And Costello may not be our second best player but he has in his arsenal something no other player has in the squad, we are delighted to have him. He is a valuable player. This best player is rubbish talk TBH, all players are different and important in there own way and bring something different to the table. Id be embarrased for mayo if they think we are one man team and O Hara is that man :D.
I dont know if ye look on HS, but not one mayolad has predicted anything less than a 6 pt win....
From Independent.ie
SLIGO football boss Kevin Walsh has braced his players for a heavy backlash from Mayo at Markievicz Park on Saturday evening.
He fears that the heavy criticism their opponents received after their disappointing performance in the Division 1 league final was just the ammunition manager John O'Mahony needed to get his team psyched up for their Connacht SFC quarter-final.
"The criticism Mayo took about their performance against Cork -- that serious questioning of their character, especially by the media -- has given them every motivation to prove everyone wrong," Walsh said.
"Right up to the league final, outside of Cork, Mayo were being tipped as one of the serious contenders this summer, so there is no way they suddenly became a bad team because of one game," he added.
Sligo's victory in the Division 3 final a month ago was the ideal pre-championship preparation, but that has only increased the pressure on them now.
"After gaining promotion for the second year in a row, you could say that the pressure was off us going into Croke Park and the lads seemed to respond well to that, but this is a very different situation," Walsh said.
He was reported to be taking Sligo on a week's training camp in the immediate aftermath but says this was incorrect. "What I said was misinterpreted," he said. "What we did was give the players a week's break to go back to play with their clubs, but since then we've trained hard and had a few challenge matches."
Sligo are not believed to have any major injury worries but Mayo will definitely be without Aidan Kilcoyne (knee) and have doubts over centre-back Trevor Howley and forward Barry Moran, who both sat out a challenge game against Kildare last week, which they lost by a point.
Saturday's game has a 5.0 throw-in to accommodate live television -- RTE are also televising the Kildare/Louth game at 7.0 -- but Connacht Council secretary John Prenty defended that early throw-in yesterday and predicted a sell-out 18,000 crowd.
"We had a 5.0 throw-in for Mayo v Roscommon last year and don't forsee any problems with it," said Prenty.
- Cliona Foley
Irish Independent
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 01, 2010, 01:07:54 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 01, 2010, 10:56:35 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 01, 2010, 01:51:28 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 31, 2010, 10:07:58 PM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on May 31, 2010, 08:06:41 PM
There is no way of saying this nicely so as not to hurt the Sligo lads feelings but i think we are a far superior team. Lets face facts they are a Division 3 team (Not Division 2 untill next year) and there is a vast difference in quality between the 1st and the 3rd. I think Mayo will win by +7 possibly more.
I'd admire your confidence Peter. The Sligo boys would call it arrogance. If arrogance is misplaced confidence, then I'd agree with them. This is going alll the way to the wire. What will, for me, decide this game is if Sligo believe they win the game. They didn't against Galway and Kerry last year and got all rabbit in the headlights in the last few minutes. If they've developed from that, we're in for an upset. I just don't see Mayo playing well enough to win this on their own merits.
well said peter , i remeber the same defeatest crap befor the roscommon game last year absolutly no reason to fear sligo. their best player is well past his best and next to him is a mayo reject .Kelly is a handy corner forward but not the big burly type that cause mayo problems. I hope the mayo players have a littlebit more confidence in their abilities than most posters here. On one had slagging them off for losing national finals and on the other urging caution against 3rd division teams.
I genuinely hope you're right but I fear you won't be. First of all Alan Costello is a long way off Sligo's second best player. That just highlights your ignorance of them so your assessment carries no real weight. I will apologise if we win at a canter but I won't be getting that speech ready any time soon.
You see Arrogance is the right word, because Peter obviously hasnt a clue about Sligo, only uses the league logic to back his reasoning for a comfortable win. I mean how could anyone predict the outcome of a game when you have no clue of the opposition and therefore rely on the league argument which has blown out of the water by ourselves last few yrs. Make no mistake we arent really a league team imo, we struggled early on in the heavy pitches, but summer suit us way more. I seen us last yr in the div4 final and it was shite football, the improvement against galway was huge and upward from there on. I expect the same this time.
Ros says Eamonn O Hara our best player is well past his sell by date.. :D are you serious? He certainly is good and still worth his place ahead of our fringe players but are not reliant on him at all. And Costello may not be our second best player but he has in his arsenal something no other player has in the squad, we are delighted to have him. He is a valuable player. This best player is rubbish talk TBH, all players are different and important in there own way and bring something different to the table. Id be embarrased for mayo if they think we are one man team and O Hara is that man :D.
Shtop ye're nonsense!! This is a Micky Mouse game. I think we all know Mayo will win this one. The only two teams worth mentioning in Connacht this year are Galway and Mayo, like Leinster are Dublin and Meath, like Munster are Kerry and Cork and Ulster are Tyrone and Armagh. End of story. Good luck to all.
Quote from: MadMayo on June 01, 2010, 01:23:50 PM
Shtop ye're nonsense!! This is a Micky Mouse game. I think we all know Mayo will win this one. The only two teams worth mentioning in Connacht this year are Galway and Mayo, like Leinster are Dublin and Meath, like Munster are Kerry and Cork and Ulster are Tyrone and Armagh. End of story. Good luck to all.
jaysis ;D
Quote from: Mano on June 01, 2010, 08:52:47 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 01, 2010, 01:51:28 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 31, 2010, 10:07:58 PM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on May 31, 2010, 08:06:41 PM
There is no way of saying this nicely so as not to hurt the Sligo lads feelings but i think we are a far superior team. Lets face facts they are a Division 3 team (Not Division 2 untill next year) and there is a vast difference in quality between the 1st and the 3rd. I think Mayo will win by +7 possibly more.
I'd admire your confidence Peter. The Sligo boys would call it arrogance. If arrogance is misplaced confidence, then I'd agree with them. This is going alll the way to the wire. What will, for me, decide this game is if Sligo believe they win the game. They didn't against Galway and Kerry last year and got all rabbit in the headlights in the last few minutes. If they've developed from that, we're in for an upset. I just don't see Mayo playing well enough to win this on their own merits.
well said peter , i remeber the same defeatest crap befor the roscommon game last year absolutly no reason to fear sligo. their best player is well past his best and next to him is a mayo reject .Kelly is a handy corner forward but not the big burly type that cause mayo problems. I hope the mayo players have a littlebit more confidence in their abilities than most posters here. On one had slagging them off for losing national finals and on the other urging caution against 3rd division teams.
As the game gets closer after 24 pages the Mayo arrogance & superiority complex over Sligo is beginning to raise its head-what took ye so long lads?
As regards the game and the likely lineups. Mayo will know the likely Sligo starting team and will have their team setup for each possibility. I think that the Sligo management need to change the approach or the lineup to throw Mayo off for the first few minutes - maybe start Sweeney and O'Hara in the full forward line early on to test Mayo's weakest line. However if we are getting little ball at midfield one of those 2 will have to move out to middle.
The Mayo team is harder to select but the injuries to Kilcoyne, Howley and Harte have made it slightly easier and absence of these 3 weakens their options. If B Moran & O Se start it will make it difficult for the Sligo full backs but they are able to cope with Harrisson picking up Mortimer
Mayo have often been accused of losing the run of themselves but you Sligo lads are taking it to a new Level i dont get where this over confidence is coming from. Mayo have beaten the likes Derry, Tyrone, Cork and Kerry away from home i think we should by all accounts beat Sligo and beat them well in theory. Its true i dont know alot about this Sligo team bar Costelloe, Kelly and O Hara but it would be a complete bottling act by Mayo if we lose, worrying for Sligo is we dont bottle it until we get to Croke Park. Mayo will be up for it we have a lot to prove.
Mayo news podcast is up and they expect this to be the team named.
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Higgins
Vaughan Cunniffe McLoughlin
Parsons McGarrity
Dillon T Mortimer A Moran
C Mortimer B Moran A O'Shea
...meaning no place for Gardiner, Varley, Freeman, Ronaldson or (surprisingly for me) Seamus O'Shea.
Well if Trevor Mortimer has done more to warrant a place then Seamus O'Shea.......
That would be the decision of a manager who has his hands tied by his poor previous decision to name Trevor captain, and Gardiner vice-captain. One of them has to start.
If Seamus was there I would be much much happier.
May I express my total bias on this one by wishing Shhhhliiiigo all the best and hope they can do the job.
I suspect they won't of course.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 30, 2010, 08:27:59 PM
You know it makes me laugh when I hear the likes of longfords, westmeaths, donegals go on about if they were in Connacht they have a better chance, when you see the shite of longford/louth donegal/down games, and we might face Galway or Mayo first round every yr, its way harder, any chance of letting Sligo into Ulster? You we might get an easier first rd match... Sligo are going to have to be alot better than any team in championship so far to beat mayo. No chance of easing ourselves in like 07..
;D ;D ;D
Sligo get the better of Antrim (traditionally the 9th best football team in Ulster) in Div 3 and 4 league football, and you think that that makes them ready to survive the fire and brimstone that is the Ulster Championship! ::)
Oh... the naiveté of the innocent 8)
Quote from: western exile on June 01, 2010, 08:23:47 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 30, 2010, 08:27:59 PM
You know it makes me laugh when I hear the likes of longfords, westmeaths, donegals go on about if they were in Connacht they have a better chance, when you see the shite of longford/louth donegal/down games, and we might face Galway or Mayo first round every yr, its way harder, any chance of letting Sligo into Ulster? You we might get an easier first rd match... Sligo are going to have to be alot better than any team in championship so far to beat mayo. No chance of easing ourselves in like 07..
;D ;D ;D
Sligo get the better of Antrim (traditionally the 9th best football team in Ulster) in Div 3 and 4 league football, and you think that that makes them ready to survive the fire and brimstone that is the Ulster Championship! ::)
Oh... the naiveté of the innocent 8)
Idiotic comment all right.
At least Sligonian realises Mayo/Galway are the big 2 in Connacht. :P
There seems to be general consensus on the Mayo Team now.
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Higgins
Vaughan Cunniffe Mc Loughlin
Parsons McGarrity
Moran S O Shea Mortimer
Mortimer Freeman Varley
Dillon will be a huge loss
Quote from: REDCOL on June 01, 2010, 10:53:01 PM
There seems to be general consensus on the Mayo Team now.
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Higgins
Vaughan Cunniffe Mc Loughlin
Parsons McGarrity
Moran S O Shea Mortimer
Mortimer Freeman Varley
Dillon will be a huge loss
No Aidan O Shea either? What happened there?
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 01, 2010, 07:28:45 PM
Mayo news podcast is up and they expect this to be the team named.
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Higgins
Vaughan Cunniffe McLoughlin
Parsons McGarrity
Dillon T Mortimer A Moran
C Mortimer B Moran A O'Shea
...meaning no place for Gardiner, Varley, Freeman, Ronaldson or (surprisingly for me) Seamus O'Shea.
If Trev starts ahead of SOS then I give up
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 01, 2010, 10:59:29 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 01, 2010, 07:28:45 PM
Mayo news podcast is up and they expect this to be the team named.
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Higgins
Vaughan Cunniffe McLoughlin
Parsons McGarrity
Dillon T Mortimer A Moran
C Mortimer B Moran A O'Shea
...meaning no place for Gardiner, Varley, Freeman, Ronaldson or (surprisingly for me) Seamus O'Shea.
If Trev starts ahead of SOS then I give up
Unfortunately that's the way it looks. Only way Seamie will start is if Dillon is injured. Can't see Varley starting either Redcol, not saying he shouldn't, just don't see it happening the way things have been going. Barry Moran will be back fit, Alan Freeman wil go to the corner and Varley will lose out. Not beyond the bounds of possibility that he;ll go with Aidan O'Shea beside Moran either. But looks unlikely. I'll hold my fire for now.
Why no Aiden O'Shea??
Surely if Barry Moran is fit it will be a FF line of C Mortimer, B Moran, A O'Shea?
I will also give up if Trevor starts ahead of Seamus O'Shea given how solidly O'Shea has played all league. Trevor can prove his leadership qualities by coming on with 15/20 to go and adding some extra drive and ball winning skills around the middle.
Quote from: GBXII on June 01, 2010, 11:27:52 PM
Why no Aiden O'Shea??
Surely if Barry Moran is fit it will be a FF line of C Mortimer, B Moran, A O'Shea?
I will also give up if Trevor starts ahead of Seamus O'Shea given how solidly O'Shea has played all league. Trevor can prove his leadership qualities by coming on with 15/20 to go and adding some extra drive and ball winning skills around the middle.
I'm not disagreeing with you at all, just it looks like JOM sees things differently.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 01, 2010, 11:21:21 PM
Unfortunately that's the way it looks. Only way Seamie will start is if Dillon is injured. Can't see Varley starting either Redcol, not saying he shouldn't, just don't see it happening the way things have been going. Barry Moran will be back fit, Alan Freeman wil go to the corner and Varley will lose out. Not beyond the bounds of possibility that he;ll go with Aidan O'Shea beside Moran either. But looks unlikely. I'll hold my fire for now.
I was thinking that it would be harsh for Varley to lose out as he has not done a lot wrong.
I prefer Freeman on the half forward line as I think he is more creative than playing in the fullforward line.
Conor would be better being sprung from the bench as when he is he plays with a point to prove.
o mahony may well be a gobshite but he knows his own mind and is usually consisrtent in his selections and has given no indication that SOS and AOS are anything but 1st choice players
Wy would Trevor start? how about years of loyal dedicated service and leadership and bringing a workrate to the team no one else on the squad can?
Quote from: rosnarun on June 02, 2010, 12:20:41 AM
o mahony may well be a gobshite but he knows his own mind and is usually consisrtent in his selections and has given no indication that SOS and AOS are anything but 1st choice players
Wy would Trevor start? how about years of loyal dedicated service and leadership and bringing a workrate to the team no one else on the squad can?
When it comes to the Championship, it should be about the here and now and reputations have to go out the window. Trev hasn't been playing well this year and SOS has.
Quote from: rosnarun on June 02, 2010, 12:20:41 AM
o mahony may well be a gobshite but he knows his own mind and is usually consisrtent in his selections and has given no indication that SOS and AOS are anything but 1st choice players
Wy would Trevor start? how about years of loyal dedicated service and leadership and bringing a workrate to the team no one else on the squad can?
The thinking now seems to be that SOS was never first choice, he only played to fill gaps. He was in the half forward line while Dillon was away and moved to midfield when Dillon came back and McGarrity got injured. O'Mahony seems decided on Parsons and McGarrity at midfield and it they're all fit it is hard to see him dropping Dillon, T Mort or A Moran in the half forwards, so SOS would miss out. Personally I would have him ahead of Mortimer every day of the week. We should find out tonight anyway.
REDCOL: I wouldn't like to go to Sligo with your full forward line, picking both Freeman and Varley would be a massive gamble. Varley seems to have dropped down the order a bit in the last few weeks.
Cosmo, Its not my full forward line but speaking to some people close to the team that is the team they think will start, btw I agree with you
Indeed ros, why would Trev start? All he seems to do is give the ball away. Not something a man in the captain's role should do...
Quote from: rosnarun on June 02, 2010, 12:20:41 AM
o mahony may well be a gobshite but he knows his own mind and is usually consisrtent in his selections and has given no indication that SOS and AOS are anything but 1st choice players
Wy would Trevor start? how about years of loyal dedicated service and leadership and bringing a workrate to the team no one else on the squad can?
Lets call a spade a spade. He struggles to solo the ball, he runs into trouble, cant kick a point, his kick passing is wild at the best of times.
In the past he relied on workrate and pace, and he has lost both this year IMO.
Its harsh but its the way I see it.
Whats in the past is in the past. David Heaney, James Nallen, Ciarain McDonald or any other players that gave years of service and leadership, by your logic thats enough to start them if they were still involved?
(Ok McDonald being the exception on that list but thats another argument ;) )
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on June 01, 2010, 06:24:26 PM
Quote from: Mano on June 01, 2010, 08:52:47 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 01, 2010, 01:51:28 AM
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Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on May 31, 2010, 08:06:41 PM
There is no way of saying this nicely so as not to hurt the Sligo lads feelings but i think we are a far superior team. Lets face facts they are a Division 3 team (Not Division 2 untill next year) and there is a vast difference in quality between the 1st and the 3rd. I think Mayo will win by +7 possibly more.
I'd admire your confidence Peter. The Sligo boys would call it arrogance. If arrogance is misplaced confidence, then I'd agree with them. This is going alll the way to the wire. What will, for me, decide this game is if Sligo believe they win the game. They didn't against Galway and Kerry last year and got all rabbit in the headlights in the last few minutes. If they've developed from that, we're in for an upset. I just don't see Mayo playing well enough to win this on their own merits.
well said peter , i remeber the same defeatest crap befor the roscommon game last year absolutly no reason to fear sligo. their best player is well past his best and next to him is a mayo reject .Kelly is a handy corner forward but not the big burly type that cause mayo problems. I hope the mayo players have a littlebit more confidence in their abilities than most posters here. On one had slagging them off for losing national finals and on the other urging caution against 3rd division teams.
As the game gets closer after 24 pages the Mayo arrogance & superiority complex over Sligo is beginning to raise its head-what took ye so long lads?
As regards the game and the likely lineups. Mayo will know the likely Sligo starting team and will have their team setup for each possibility. I think that the Sligo management need to change the approach or the lineup to throw Mayo off for the first few minutes - maybe start Sweeney and O'Hara in the full forward line early on to test Mayo's weakest line. However if we are getting little ball at midfield one of those 2 will have to move out to middle.
The Mayo team is harder to select but the injuries to Kilcoyne, Howley and Harte have made it slightly easier and absence of these 3 weakens their options. If B Moran & O Se start it will make it difficult for the Sligo full backs but they are able to cope with Harrisson picking up Mortimer
Mayo have often been accused of losing the run of themselves but you Sligo lads are taking it to a new Level i dont get where this over confidence is coming from. Mayo have beaten the likes Derry, Tyrone, Cork and Kerry away from home i think we should by all accounts beat Sligo and beat them well in theory. Its true i dont know alot about this Sligo team bar Costelloe, Kelly and O Hara but it would be a complete bottling act by Mayo if we lose, worrying for Sligo is we dont bottle it until we get to Croke Park. Mayo will be up for it we have a lot to prove.
Its hardly losing the run of oneself to disagree with you that Mayo will win by 7+ points
Mayo people are making a big deal of the difference between divisions and yes there is a considerble difference but on any given day a team from a lower division can beat another in the championship. I think Meath (a division 2 team) managed it last year in the quarter final.....who was that against ;)
In 1996 Mayo played in Division 3 and lost the AIF in a replay. Championship is very different from the League.
However one of the things that separate the two is tradition.
Sligo have a full team of IC players these days. They can beat anyone on their day, League or Championship. Their problem is conquering the prejudice of tradition and most of that problem is in their own heads. They should beat us more often than they do, just like they should have beaten Kerry last year.
If Mayo supporters are confident it is probably because of tradition as much as anything else, in the same way that Kerry supporters won't lose any sleep if they see Mayo in the parade in Croker in September.
Sligo need a lot to go right to win. They seem to have done little wrong recently though so it could easily happen for them.
I remember the last time in Sligo, but despite that, history suggests a Mayo win.
Quote from: ludermor on May 29, 2010, 01:46:25 PM
Thats it? No backup whatever? Come on there must be a youtube link, a paper reference or something!!! It cant be that you just made it up!
Surely not....
I hope foreverfullofshit isnt watching the Magner League final where Heasllip was left for dust by Lee Byrne , it was only over 15m, maybe if it was 30m he would have caught him ;)
Lar noone has said big fellas cant be fast im just saying that Victor Costello was not quicker than Hickey.
couldn't find reference but why would i make it up????? Doesn't make any sense why i would pick Victor Costelllo (retired 4-5 years now) and Hickie (retired 2-3 years) out of the top of my head.. No need for the foreverfullofshit remarks... Just trying to make a valid point but a lot of ye are very ignorant to some common sense.
Look at Pearse O'neill for Cork. Brilliant when running from no.11 but i bet if he was moved to no.14 he wouldn't be up to much.
From what i gather Barry Moran seems to be nailed on for a spot ahead of a lot of others barring injury. i don't see many too upset by that and the possible exclusion of Aidan O'Shea from the full forward line.... The tide turns. Amazing. A lot of abuse for Barry a couple of weeks ago and now i see very very little... Fickle lads - ludermor, Abbeysider etc.......
It might be a good idea to bear in mind that Dara Ó Cinneide, Joe Brolly and Colm O'Rourke have all tipped Sligo to win the Connacht championship this year, according to the 'Mayo News.'
You can add Kevin McStay to this list. Kevin gives a qualified nod to Mayo on Saturday but qualifies this by adding that Alan Dillon must be playing. Even if he does, Mac will not be in the least bit surprised if Sligo wins.
All in all, the predictions above hardly amount to a ringing endorsement of Mayo chances, do they?
I'm still sticking with Mayo but I think we will need to be in top gear for the entire duration of the game and anything less could, and probably will, spell disaster.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on June 02, 2010, 11:40:47 AM
I don't see many too upset by that and the possible exclusion of Aidan O'Shea from the full forward line....
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 01, 2010, 10:58:46 PM
No Aidan O Shea either? What happened there?
Firstly, I did question the omission of AOS in REDCOL's team.
Also the likelihood is that he will start so I dont know where you are pulling that statement.
But for the record im told he may not be in contention because of the shape he is in. I wont go into the details but lets just say he aint the perfect athletic specimen to play Centre Forward. ::)
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on June 02, 2010, 11:40:47 AM
The tide turns. Amazing. A lot of abuse for Barry a couple of weeks ago and now i see very very little... Fickle lads - ludermor, Abbeysider etc.......
What abuse are you on about? I included Barry Moran in all my teams... all I said was
Quote from: AbbeySider
I hope you right, its encouraging but I wouldnt read too much into challange games as mannix said. Also Barry Moran has been involved in the senior setup since his first year U21 and always promises big things but IMO he has never bared the fruits at Senior level. But I hope your right.
How does the above constitute abuse? Its just stating some facts and hopes that he will do Ok.
Get off your high horse. Tide turning my hole.
We are all still waiting on your article on Victor Costelllo being faster than Hickey over 30m
Oh, and while your at it, give us some detail on the time trial you held between Barry Moran and Aidan o'shea
i have seen the lads play watched them train, my eyes dont decieve me, barry moran is faster off the mark.....It doesnt take a rocket scientist to work that out either without having to watch them race. Do you even watch Mayo play?
P.s.
look up cian healy (a prop forward) try on youtube, the one with the most views. You'll see a 17-18 stone lad take on a full back on the outside and burn him.... Some lads have different mechanics for running... You obviously don't understand this Abbeysider but your ignorance only makes me laugh....
I do hope it's a good game on Saturday. Sligo are going well and Mayo's league final defeat has brought us down a notch so it should be close.
I think Mayo are in a no-win situation regarding the result. I'd be happy with a 1 point victory and a good fighting performance rather than an easy victory ala Roscommon last year. I know the latter will almost certainly not happen. Hoping for big games from Tom Cunniffe (if selected at no.6) or indeed whoever is picked there. Brehony is a decent operator for Sligo. Also from both our midfielders whoever they are. Mcgarrity should be hitting his prime as a footballer. Basically our central -players need to be solid and we can work from this base.
Heaney and nallen choose to stop playing with mayo . I reckon there was another year in heaney but that was his choice he is already legend in my book andI hope he is enjoying his retirement. where as Trevor is in his Prime. Mayo fans in general love Slagging off the older member of the team in favor of the flaovur of the week Just coming out of miinors or U21's when there is too much expected of them and 6 months down the road are looking for their heads. look at all the Stupid Fatist comments made about Aiden Osé here
Maybe Sunday is a good time to experiment with a\ few players befor the Galway game but westill need the core of the Team.
For whats its worth this is the team i think JOM will pick assuming the various injury stories are TRue (dillion kilcoyne,Howley)
clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Higgins
P gardiner Cunniffe Mclaughlin
Mc garr T parsons
T MOrt S oSé Andy
C Mort B moran A oSé
Team will be announced on www.mayogaa.com shortly after 8pm tonight according to the same website. Does anyone know what Barry Moran's current injury status is? I know he sat out Saturday's A v B challenge.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on June 02, 2010, 01:26:29 PM
i have seen the lads play watched them train, my eyes dont decieve me, barry moran is faster off the mark.....It doesnt take a rocket scientist to work that out either without having to watch them race. Do you even watch Mayo play?
P.s.
look up cian healy (a prop forward) try on youtube, the one with the most views. You'll see a 17-18 stone lad take on a full back on the outside and burn him.... Some lads have different mechanics for running... You obviously don't understand this Abbeysider but your ignorance only makes me laugh....
waffle
and you never even backed up your point about people abusing Barry Moran
If reports of SOS and AOS struggling to make our starting 15 are true then we will be removing a lot of our physical presence. We have plenty of players who are nice, tidy footballers but you'll win nothing with 15 of them.
Quote from: Chimley on June 02, 2010, 03:23:45 PM
If reports of SOS and AOS struggling to make our starting 15 are true then we will be removing a lot of our physical presence. We have plenty of players who are nice, tidy footballers but you'll win nothing with 15 of them.
succinctly put horseen some amount of birds eye potato waffle being spouted here big bucks needed to ruffle up them sligo upstarts
To be honest lads, the optimism is beginning to set in and I'm predicting a 2 point win on Saturday. :)
Mayo team to be announced on www.mayogaa.com at about 8.15pm this evening.
Mayo team
1, David Clarke (Ballina Stephenites); 2, Chris Barrett (Belmullet), 3, Ger Cafferkey (Ballina Stephenites), 4, Keith Higgins (Ballyhaunis); 5, Donal Vaughan (Ballinrobe), 6, Tom Cunniffe (Castlebar Mitchels), 7, Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore); 8, Tom Parsons (Charlestown), 9, Ronan McGarrity (Ballina Stephenites); 10, Andy Moran (Ballaghaderreen), 11, Seamus O'Shea (Breaffy), 12, Trevor Mortimer CAPT (Shrule/Glencorrib); 13, Conor Mortimer (Shrule/Glencorrib), 14, Alan Freeman (Aghamore), 15, Enda Varley (Garrymore).
No Aidan O'Shea
On what basis is Alan Freeman making the team?
Its disappointing that Alan Dillon didnt make his race for fitness. He is a massive loss. I dont about alan Freeman he must of impressed in training.
Full forward line is a huge risk. O'Mahony gambling his managerial reputation with that line up.
Exactly as Redcol predicted it would be. Well I suppose it is a shock to see a smallish full-forward line, but then again is it? I mean Trevor Mort and A Moran must have upped their game big time in training because they were rather shabby against Cork I must say. No harm to give Gardiner a bit of a wake up call, but I would rather Barrett at no 5. Oh Jesus good luck to them anyway...
As a Sligo supporter i am very surprised by that Mayo lineout - if that is the team that starts on Saturday evening. Absent are Kilcoyne, Howley, Harte, B Moran, Gardiner, AOS, Dillon. How many of those are injured and how many have been dropped? Mayo heavy challenge schedule may have taken its toll.
Its a very young inexperienced team. I was fearful of the 'twin tower' combination in the full forward but that has been totally scrapped.
This could be a dummy team with O'Mahoney hoping a few of his injured players recovers in time?
I think Varley deserves his chance but Freeman seems like a huge gamble to me. Parsons and T Mort are another two who'll be under serious pressure to perform.
Kilcoyne, Howley injured - even though I didn't think Howley's was as bad when he went off in the game against Ballintubber, couldn't tell you about any of the rest Mano.
Very true Zulu, T Mort anyway as captain HAS TO perform.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 02, 2010, 08:45:01 PM
Full forward line is a huge risk. O'Mahony gambling his managerial reputation with that line up.
that was lost to many 4 years ago
if thats the team thats the team we have to support , I alway thought douglas would make it before Freeman. he looks a bit gangly yet but delighted to see varley got in his league form deserved it .
Good to have a soft opening game too break these lads in
Quote from: Zulu on June 02, 2010, 08:29:40 PM
On what basis is Alan Freeman making the team?
I guess Barry Moran isnt fit, and from what I hear JOM is unimpressed with the weight/shape of AOS.
Huge gamble
Quote from: rosnarun on June 02, 2010, 09:04:45 PM
Good to have a soft opening game too break these lads in
Hope this comes back to haunt you Saturday evening >:(
The full forward line only one to raise eyebrows I would suspect. I would also suspect that it would nt be the first choice for management if everybody was available for selection. On paper it looks like a line that Sligo would prefer rather than say the 2 big lads starting. However there is more pace here and they may do damage in their own right. Freeman will ask different questions of Noel Maguire with his pace than the big boys would have and Varley isn't afraid to scrap and work. So I would be hopeful. I think the most important thing for us is to get our hands on the ball around the middle and control possession.
Quote from: Mano on June 02, 2010, 09:02:23 PM
As a Sligo supporter i am very surprised by that Mayo lineout - if that is the team that starts on Saturday evening. Absent are Kilcoyne, Howley, Harte, B Moran, Gardiner, AOS, Dillon. How many of those are injured and how many have been dropped? Mayo heavy challenge schedule may have taken its toll.
Its a very young inexperienced team. I was fearful of the 'twin tower' combination in the full forward but that has been totally scrapped.
This could be a dummy team with O'Mahoney hoping a few of his injured players recovers in time?
Not a dummy team imo. Gardiner has nt got his place back after injury in Spring. AOS seems to be the only one dropped. All the others you listed above are injured to some extent. If some will be able to come on remains to be seen. To be honest I would have Moran, Harte Dillon and AOS in our top 6 forwards. But the lads that are playing are no slouches. I d be more worried about our hunger and attitude on the day.
This is either a masterstroke or Johnno has gone mad. I think everyone thought it would be either Varley or Mortimer in the corner but never both. They have never started together before and when you add in Freeman who has come from nowhere to make up the third member of the full-forward line you have to wonder how this is going to pan out on Saturday. I wish them all the best of luck though as it's easy to hide behind a computer and pick teams but this is a brave move.
Dodgy enough FF line in fairness, very surprising. Barry must be injured, which is unbelievable in itself, and
O'Shea must be doing very poorly or else O'Mahony is trying to pull a quick one on the Sligo lads and start the 2 big lads but I'd doubt it.
Should be pretty physical around the middle of the field and we have a very pacey, young half back line and an equally young full back line. Overall, big risk by O'Mahony with the forward line assuming he hasn't got injuries that I don't know about. Best of luck to them anyway, especially the new boys.
The end is in sight for Johnno at last. That is a a poor outfit, shades of the 1970s about it. Not surprised really, JOM was on a similar outfit that lost the 1975 Connacht final to Sligo. I feel dizzy.
Agree with southsidejohny - a very disappointing selection. I cannot see us getting enough scores to win.
But Mayo have a chance on Saturday
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Of winning Britain's Got Talent.
This is probably the manager's fifth attempt at getting a championship line-up right. His future is on the line here. If injuries are a problem 5 challenge matches mixed with club matches haven't helped the cause.
And if we do get out of Sligo that team is nowhere near good enough to beat Galway.
The one thing that can be said though in favour of the line-up is that many of the names dropped (and there are eight changes from the Meath game last Summer) are the failures of the past. Some obviously remain but 4 debutants, and Kevin McLoughlin being very inexperienced are not as tarnished and maybe that is the thinking.
Sligo will not need to be brilliant to beat us and for that reason they must now be favourites.
Quote from: Barney on June 02, 2010, 09:42:39 PM
Agree with southsidejohny - a very disappointing selection. I cannot see us getting enough scores to win.
But Mayo have a chance on Saturday
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Of winning Britain's Got Talent.
This is probably the manager's fifth attempt at getting a championship line-up right. His future is on the line here. If injuries are a problem 5 challenge matches mixed with club matches haven't helped the cause.
And if we do get out of Sligo that team is nowhere near good enough to beat Galway.
The one thing that can be said though in favour of the line-up is that many of the names dropped (and there are eight changes from the Meath game last Summer) are the failures of the past. Some obviously remain but 4 debutants, and Kevin McLoughlin being very inexperienced are not as tarnished and maybe that is the thinking.
Sligo will not need to be brilliant to beat us and for that reason they must now be favourites.
Ah come on will ya, favourites? I mean fair enough the FF line isn't the strongest it could be (I wouldn't write the new lads off by the way, they could turn out to be very good) and Dillon is a big loss but other than that it's a strong team. We are still better than Sligo in most lines of the field. The players will have no fear of a team that is a league or 2 below them in the National League and who historically don't cause Mayo much trouble. Granted Sligo have home advantage and have improved their performances considerably since Mayo last hammered them in Castlebar but if Mayo match them for fight and hunger it's hard, very hard to see Sligo outplay Mayo, in my opinion.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on June 02, 2010, 11:40:47 AM
Quote from: ludermor on May 29, 2010, 01:46:25 PM
Thats it? No backup whatever? Come on there must be a youtube link, a paper reference or something!!! It cant be that you just made it up!
Surely not....
I hope foreverfullofshit isnt watching the Magner League final where Heasllip was left for dust by Lee Byrne , it was only over 15m, maybe if it was 30m he would have caught him ;)
Lar noone has said big fellas cant be fast im just saying that Victor Costello was not quicker than Hickey.
couldn't find reference but why would i make it up????? Doesn't make any sense why i would pick Victor Costelllo (retired 4-5 years now) and Hickie (retired 2-3 years) out of the top of my head.. No need for the foreverfullofshit remarks... Just trying to make a valid point but a lot of ye are very ignorant to some common sense.
Look at Pearse O'neill for Cork. Brilliant when running from no.11 but i bet if he was moved to no.14 he wouldn't be up to much.
From what i gather Barry Moran seems to be nailed on for a spot ahead of a lot of others barring injury. i don't see many too upset by that and the possible exclusion of Aidan O'Shea from the full forward line.... The tide turns. Amazing. A lot of abuse for Barry a couple of weeks ago and now i see very very little... Fickle lads - ludermor, Abbeysider etc.......
What the fook are you on about, i never said a word about barry moran or Aiden O Shea. I just said you were spouting shit about Victor Costello been faster than Denis Hickie. It is simply not true and the more you go on about it the more stupid you look.
You can mention as many other fast big players as you want ( Heaslip / Healy) but it doesnt take away from the fact that Costello is not now nor ever was as quick as Hickey.
As i said earlier you could just have said Costello was quick and left it at that but to compare him to hickey was idiotic
what so? to improve our team we select 8 new players every year . this is the kind dead head thinking that will leave mayo on the plateau they are on. a top 5 team unable to go any higher .
playerd once they get on to the mayo panel show be receiving a quality of coaching that would bring them on as players not back. that may well take time and improvement should be steady but constant . If AoSé is out on merit alone it s a terrible condemnation of the mayo management .
when a new player makes the team it should be because their claim to a place is irresistible like SoSé and varley did this year, not because we run out of patience the management have allowed to slide back.
It is a bizarre line-up in the forwards and you have to wonder where the scores will come from.
The half-forward is virtually a no-score zone.
There will be arguements that Andy Moran could run up a big score. Other than New York when has he ever scored big in championship.
We really need a Dillon or a Ronaldson to open up the forward line. That is where we will be weak. There is unlikely to be any fluency. There will be a huge reliance on Conor Mortimer and our frees will have to be spot on.
Cant really have an opinion on Mayos team selection, never seen Varley or Freeman. But i am glad Dillon didnt make it.
Glad Trevor mort and SOS are in HF line, Andy moran might rack up scores in challenge games, but under the pressure of championship may find it different. Parsons is hit and miss all yr, Mcgarrity would be our main worry tbh. Yer backline isnt the worlds tightest either.
Sligo team yet too be named. Should be interesting but we certainly would not fear that mayo team at all.
Yeah. It looks like we will have to dominate possession to get enough scores to win. then again it has often been that way. To be honest while our backs are tidy pacy types I would nt want to see them playing on their heels too much. They are choirboys compared to most intercounty championship backlines. In the cold light of day the half-back line as well as the ff line are just out of the wrapper. There is plenty of ability there but it is a leap of faith as well. We cant afford to anything except own the ball around midfield. Time also for the few leaders we have to stand up and be counted. All 3 or 4 of them.
Quote from: Barney on June 02, 2010, 10:01:20 PM
It is a bizarre line-up in the forwards and you have to wonder where the scores will come from.
The half-forward is virtually a no-score zone.
There will be arguements that Andy Moran could run up a big score. Other than New York when has he ever scored big in championship.
We really need a Dillon or a Ronaldson to open up the forward line. That is where we will be weak. There is unlikely to be any fluency. There will be a huge reliance on Conor Mortimer and our frees will have to be spot on.
I think you're on the money here Barney. It's back to the past with huge reliance on Conor to rack up the scores. Best of luck to them all but Jesus, Saturday looks more and more like a day for dogs of war. The RTÉ panel aren't going to enjoy it.
It looks like we are in for a battle on Saturday, Kilcoyne and Dillon are two huge losses. But we need to step up to the plate and back the lads that are playing.
Freeman is probably brought in for his scoring prowess and varley know where the goal is too so add that to few from parsons oSe vaughan mcloughlin ect i think we have as much fire power as we ever have
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 02, 2010, 10:16:30 PM
Cant really have an opinion on Mayos team selection, never seen Varley or Freeman. But i am glad Dillon didnt make it.
Glad Trevor mort and SOS are in HF line, Andy moran might rack up scores in challenge games, but under the pressure of championship may find it different. Parsons is hit and miss all yr, Mcgarrity would be our main worry tbh. Yer backline isnt the worlds tightest either.
Sligo team yet too be named. Should be interesting but we certainly would not fear that mayo team at all.
That s what I thought. I reckon Kevin Walsh can hardly believe his eyes either. He had to be preparing for the 2 big men. I wrote weeks ago that 2 smaller corner forwards would be playing into Sligo hands. But we ll have to wait and see. To be honest Freeman may well be the best to go with Moran injured. He s quick and I would hope he can pull McGuire about and leave space in behind. He may well play on the point with 2 inside and Trevor playing deep.
Trevor should be told to stop kicking so much ball. The deliveries inside should come from Moran, Parsons, O Sé and McL. McGarrity needs to stop kicking frees to the opposition as well and leave the frees to fellas who can kick the ball. After Liam and DB he is in a line of poor kickers who insisted in slowing down the game and taking frees instead of making themselves available to receive a quick short one themselves. Is it too much to expect that our management will have sorted this shit out by now?
What a team to have built after 4 years of trying........there isn't a half decent club team that would fear the Mayo forward line. We are going backwards so quickly under ALL of this current management team. It looks like a joke of a team, I only hope it is a joke. Imagine if we were heading out to play Kerry or Cork with this team......Mayo God Help Us.
Barry Moran injured?....no abbreviations for me this time....for fuuuck sake... :-\
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2010, 10:32:07 PM
Quote from: Barney on June 02, 2010, 10:01:20 PM
It is a bizarre line-up in the forwards and you have to wonder where the scores will come from.
The half-forward is virtually a no-score zone.
There will be arguements that Andy Moran could run up a big score. Other than New York when has he ever scored big in championship.
We really need a Dillon or a Ronaldson to open up the forward line. That is where we will be weak. There is unlikely to be any fluency. There will be a huge reliance on Conor Mortimer and our frees will have to be spot on.
I think you're on the money here Barney. It's back to the past with huge reliance on Conor to rack up the scores. Best of luck to them all but Jesus, Saturday looks more and more like a day for dogs of war. The RTÉ panel aren't going to enjoy it.
f**k the RTE panel. Anyway this could be one of the games of the Summer. Besides it is our championship. All we want is our team to win. As regards reliance on Conor - doesn't have to be that way. Varley and Freeman are scorers. If they get ball they will score. Our problem is getting good ball into them in space. We have nt been good at coaching our inside forward lines so our best success in years was putting two giants in there. The next day will need more craft - if we have any. We need Varley and Conoreen in space inside. If we play a stagnant flat 3 inside and just hoof ball in we re fucked to be honest.
We can also score a bit off our running game. Vaughan, McLoughlin, Cuniffe, Parsons, O Sé, Andy and even the corner backs can end up on the end of things. In fact the more I think of it the running game is the way we will probably go. I expect we will go with five forwards with 13 and 15 making runs from inside out and runners coming through the middle and down the wings. What are the odds on Tom Parsons for first goal?
I d suspect we might set up as follows.
Clarke
Barrett Caff Higgins
Vaughan Cunniffe McLoughlin
McGar Parsons
Trev
Andy O Sé
Freeman
Conoreen Varley
Poor oul Barry must have muscle fibres on him like old elastic bands. I'd say he gets injured getting out of bed in the morning.
I've great time for both Freeman and Varley and think both were in line for a call-up. But it is a gamble going with both of them. Think we're playing into Sligo's hands, given that their best line is their full-back line, by playing two debutants in the full-forward line. Hope I'm wrong. But I think Mortimer/O'Shea and Freeman OR Varley would work better. Guess we can't rule out Moran as an eleventh hour starter either.
I won't go into talking about how much of a loss Dillon is because I want to sleep tonight.
First things first; welcome to MayoGAA. It's nice to see a new arrival on the board.
With regard to the team selected, I'd be happy enough with those chosen from Clarkie out to midfield.
The attack is interesting- to put it mildly.
Given the number of challenge matches and AvBs they were put through, I'd say Johnno is going on current form- plus injury considerations of course. Overall, he has often picked worse combinations upfront. My reservation is that I cannot see a natural leader amongst them. It was bad enough when Aiden O'Sé was expected to set the standard for others who were up to 10 years older than him but there is no Aiden there for Saturday.
It's the sort of game where leaders are waiting to be born, as Liam Hayes said about our game against Meath last season. Well, he got that one wrong but maybe things will be different come Saturday. ;D
Quote from: saffronandblue on June 02, 2010, 10:45:58 PM
What a team to have built after 4 years of trying........there isn't a half decent club team that would fear the Mayo forward line. We are going backwards so quickly under ALL of this current management team. It looks like a joke of a team, I only hope it is a joke. Imagine if we were heading out to play Kerry or Cork with this team......Mayo God Help Us.
I take it you re not impressed. Would you not cut him a bit of slack for injuries itself? You realise of course that if we progress that we will be going out v Cork or Kerry with this team- if we get that far? I mean what other team is there?
When was the last time a Mayo team lined out in a championship match without a Crossmolina man in the starting line up? Has to a fair while back I'd imagine
Quote from: moysider on June 02, 2010, 11:13:46 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on June 02, 2010, 10:45:58 PM
What a team to have built after 4 years of trying........there isn't a half decent club team that would fear the Mayo forward line. We are going backwards so quickly under ALL of this current management team. It looks like a joke of a team, I only hope it is a joke. Imagine if we were heading out to play Kerry or Cork with this team......Mayo God Help Us.
I take it you re not impressed. Would you not cut him a bit of slack for injuries itself? You realise of course that if we progress that we will be going out v Cork or Kerry with this team- if we get that far? I mean what other team is there?
Wont be in Sligeach myself this weekend Moysider, will stick to the fishing this weekend. I think I could do serious damage to myself if I had to look at Andy 'cannot get off the team' Moran one more time. Might see ye in the Nippers place on Saturday night for a first hand account of proceedings.
Must get AM out of my head or I will be having nightmares soon :) :)
Word circling around Sligo is that is a bogey Mayo team from our moles, Expect changes on the day....
Sligos team has been named and WILL start this as below,
Greene, Harrison, McGuire, Donovan, J Davey, B Phillips, K Cawley, Gilmartin, Taylor, Costello, Brehony, O Hara, McGee, Sweeney, Kelly.
Quinn didnt make it as he is injured, most in Sligo knew this and Im sure the Mayo moles knew aswell. Big loss, as Phillps is not as defensive, Phillips is a better passer, and more attacked minded though. Expect the game to be high scoring as forwards will be on top.
Quote from: stephenite on June 02, 2010, 11:45:42 PM
When was the last time a Mayo team lined out in a championship match without a Crossmolina man in the starting line up? Has to a fair while back I'd imagine
Before James Nallen and McDanger. Danger played in 94 and Nallen was a regular from 95. So 93 was the last time no Cross player played. Early days though. I expect Gardiner to have a say yet. But it may be from the bench - for a while anyway.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 03, 2010, 12:03:38 AM
Word circling around Sligo is that is a bogey Mayo team from our moles, Expect changes on the day....
Sligos team has been named and WILL start this as below,
Greene, Harrison, McGuire, Donovan, J Davey, B Phillips, K Cawley, Gilmartin, Taylor, Costello, Brehony, O Hara, McGee, Sweeney, Kelly.
Quinn didnt make it as he is injured, most in Sligo knew this and Im sure the Mayo moles knew aswell. Big loss, as Phillps is not as defensive, Phillips is a better passer, and more attacked minded though. Expect the game to be high scoring as forwards will be on top.
Not a bogey team. No way that Freeman and Varley would agree to be patsies for a ruse like that. I d doubt the morale in our lads is strong enough for that kind of thing. Those boys would expect to start anyway. Sligo team on the level anyway. Not sure about the forwards being on top scenario though. I expect most of our scores to come from deeper players and I expect us to play through the hands. I also expect us have bodies back.
I think it is a brave selection and Johnno is to be commended for that. The hope is that he is right and only time will tell. If he is wrong in his initial selection then we do have decent replacements to throw in but this needs to happen sooner rather than later and it probably will.
I have 'a feeling-in-me-wather' that Mayo will give Sligo a bit of a hammering - a bit of a backlash from the Cork game - wounded animal stuff. I mean if they have any pride in the jersey this is what should happen. If not then we are very far down the pecking order!
All I can say is good luck to the lads and I'm looking forward to them playing with a bit of pride and passion.
Quote from: moysider on June 03, 2010, 12:07:04 AM
Quote from: stephenite on June 02, 2010, 11:45:42 PM
When was the last time a Mayo team lined out in a championship match without a Crossmolina man in the starting line up? Has to a fair while back I'd imagine
Before James Nallen and McDanger. Danger played in 94 and Nallen was a regular from 95. So 93 was the last time no Cross player played. Early days though. I expect Gardiner to have a say yet. But it may be from the bench - for a while anyway.
I was thinking that it would've been early '90s alright. I was wondering if PJ played in '93 though. Haven't had time for a look at Willie Joe's archive but most do that later
Quote from: stephenite on June 03, 2010, 12:45:17 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 03, 2010, 12:07:04 AM
Quote from: stephenite on June 02, 2010, 11:45:42 PM
When was the last time a Mayo team lined out in a championship match without a Crossmolina man in the starting line up? Has to a fair while back I'd imagine
Before James Nallen and McDanger. Danger played in 94 and Nallen was a regular from 95. So 93 was the last time no Cross player played. Early days though. I expect Gardiner to have a say yet. But it may be from the bench - for a while anyway.
I was thinking that it would've been early '90s alright. I was wondering if PJ played in '93 though. Haven't had time for a look at Willie Joe's archive but most do that later
so if they do lose at least well know why
Quote from: stephenite on June 03, 2010, 12:45:17 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 03, 2010, 12:07:04 AM
Quote from: stephenite on June 02, 2010, 11:45:42 PM
When was the last time a Mayo team lined out in a championship match without a Crossmolina man in the starting line up? Has to a fair while back I'd imagine
Before James Nallen and McDanger. Danger played in 94 and Nallen was a regular from 95. So 93 was the last time no Cross player played. Early days though. I expect Gardiner to have a say yet. But it may be from the bench - for a while anyway.
I was thinking that it would've been early '90s alright. I was wondering if PJ played in '93 though. Haven't had time for a look at Willie Joe's archive but most do that later
Hmmm. Forgot about PJ now that you mention him. Johnny Leonard was around before that again. Maybe 90/91.
Dont forget Barry Heffernan!! Prob 93 as I think it was Gabriel Irwins last year. PJ played but I think he didnt start. I could be wrong but I dont think Jonny Rep ever played Senior C'ship for Mayo.
Will have a look after work.
On the team - its a ballsy choice by Jonno, and could work either way. I would be concerned we're a bit light up top. I've been saying for years (until last year) that Mayo play with too many of the small, quick, knacky forwards and not enough of the big ball-winning type.
Its going to be very important that the game plan is changed sufficiently. How many years have we seen big booming kicks rain down around Conoreen only for them to be easily cleaned up by defenders. We need good quality low fast ball into this FF line, and I would be a bit concerned as we have been playing the big men all year.
Nerves are kicking in now, will be a long Saturday waiting for throw in at 2am! (Thank God its not on Sunday)
I'm on hols in Australia at the moment so only seeing the Mayo team now.
A few surprises to say the least! Happy enough with the defence - glad to see Barrett, Vaughan and McLoughlin all starting.
Varley and Freeman both were pushing for a starting place, but I definitely didn't expect to see both starting. I heard Barry Moran was injured but hadn't heard anything about AOS - is it simply a case of him being dropped??
Anyway, the real reason for my post ;)
I know a few of ye were in Oz before - I'm hoping to make it to Brisbane for the match. Can anyone recommend a good pub to watch it in??
Btw, these mozzies have me eaten alive, give me the midges any day!
Quote from: moysider on June 02, 2010, 11:13:46 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on June 02, 2010, 10:45:58 PM
What a team to have built after 4 years of trying........there isn't a half decent club team that would fear the Mayo forward line. We are going backwards so quickly under ALL of this current management team. It looks like a joke of a team, I only hope it is a joke. Imagine if we were heading out to play Kerry or Cork with this team......Mayo God Help Us.
I take it you re not impressed. Would you not cut him a bit of slack for injuries itself? You realise of course that if we progress that we will be going out v Cork or Kerry with this team- if we get that far? I mean what other team is there?
Tit for tat games at Castlebar and Salthill are all very well, but if the Galway forward's got Mayo in the wide expanses of Croker, they would rip them to shreds. They only had 2/4 stars playing last time out at Croker, and managed to knock 1-16 past Kerry in a monsoon. Sadly Mayo dont have the forwards to outscore that. So theres your other team....
Quote from: shaund10 on June 03, 2010, 08:43:41 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 02, 2010, 11:13:46 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on June 02, 2010, 10:45:58 PM
What a team to have built after 4 years of trying........there isn't a half decent club team that would fear the Mayo forward line. We are going backwards so quickly under ALL of this current management team. It looks like a joke of a team, I only hope it is a joke. Imagine if we were heading out to play Kerry or Cork with this team......Mayo God Help Us.
I take it you re not impressed. Would you not cut him a bit of slack for injuries itself? You realise of course that if we progress that we will be going out v Cork or Kerry with this team- if we get that far? I mean what other team is there?
Tit for tat games at Castlebar and Salthill are all very well, but if the Galway forward's got Mayo in the wide expanses of Croker, they would rip them to shreds. They only had 2/4 stars playing last time out at Croker, and managed to knock 1-16 past Kerry in a monsoon. Sadly Mayo dont have the forwards to outscore that. So theres your other team....
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How many times have the Galway forwards ripped Mayo to shreds in Croke Park. I can remeber 2 meetings and Mayo won both. Actually how many times have these great Galway forwards ripped anyone to shreds lately
Quote from: criostlinn on June 03, 2010, 09:09:43 AM
Quote from: shaund10 on June 03, 2010, 08:43:41 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 02, 2010, 11:13:46 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on June 02, 2010, 10:45:58 PM
What a team to have built after 4 years of trying........there isn't a half decent club team that would fear the Mayo forward line. We are going backwards so quickly under ALL of this current management team. It looks like a joke of a team, I only hope it is a joke. Imagine if we were heading out to play Kerry or Cork with this team......Mayo God Help Us.
I take it you re not impressed. Would you not cut him a bit of slack for injuries itself? You realise of course that if we progress that we will be going out v Cork or Kerry with this team- if we get that far? I mean what other team is there?
Tit for tat games at Castlebar and Salthill are all very well, but if the Galway forward's got Mayo in the wide expanses of Croker, they would rip them to shreds. They only had 2/4 stars playing last time out at Croker, and managed to knock 1-16 past Kerry in a monsoon. Sadly Mayo dont have the forwards to outscore that. So theres your other team....
::) ::) ::) ::)
How many times have the Galway forwards ripped Mayo to shreds in Croke Park. I can remeber 2 meetings and Mayo won both. Actually how many times have these great Galway forwards ripped anyone to shreds lately
2 great meetings yeah. Both in the league, one in 2001 and one in 2007. We played ye with half a team both times. What happened both those years by the way? An All Ireland for Galway in 01, and a 7 point beating of Mayo in championship 07.
They havent to be honest. But the one time they got to Croker they kicked 1-16 against Kerry in a mosoon without N.Joyce and Armstrong. This forward line just hasn't clicked yet. It has the potential to be excellent though.
Compare that to Mayo. Haven't got one single top class player in their ranks. Not one single player who could turn an All Ireland final on its head. At least Galway have one player who did - Joyce, and one who defietely can - Meehan. As well as a few others with the potential.
yes 2 great meetings both in the league. Both in Croke Park. So what was your point again.
As for the kerry game. Very impressive indeed. How much did ye lose by again
Quote from: criostlinn on June 03, 2010, 09:57:26 AM
yes 2 great meetings both in the league. Both in Croke Park. So what was your point again.
As for the kerry game. Very impressive indeed. How much did ye lose by again
The point is that Kerry had the top class players in Cooper, Donaghy, O Sullivan, Galvin and Walsh to knock 1-21 past us. Where are your top class players again?
Quote from: shaund10 on June 03, 2010, 10:43:05 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on June 03, 2010, 09:57:26 AM
yes 2 great meetings both in the league. Both in Croke Park. So what was your point again.
As for the kerry game. Very impressive indeed. How much did ye lose by again
The point is that Kerry had the top class players in Cooper, Donaghy, O Sullivan, Galvin and Walsh to knock 1-21 past us. Where are your top class players again?
And they did that in a monsoon? Very impressive indeed ::)
The team selected is the form team. I am a little surprised at the "shock" from some other posters.
From 1 to 9 the team is very like most teams selected for the last 2 years. The big exception is the dropping of Gardner, but the in-form lads had to be accommodated, so fair play to management for that.
Dillon is a loss of course, but the 3 half forwards are the same 3 that played most games this year in Dillons absence, so no surprise there either. I share the same concerns re Trevor as most posters, but we all knew the captain was always going to be selected.
On form this year, Varley had to be selected. And on form this year, Aiden O'Shea had to be dropped. His understudy Alan Freeman, who came on to good effect in most games this year, is the obvious replacement.
Which leaves the final corner spot a straight choice between Conor Mort and Ronaldson. The management went with the more experienced lad. But it is great to have Ronaldo on the bench when needed.
I don't know why so many posters were assuming there would be a "twin towers" strategy. There was no evidence of it so far this year. Besides, with Moran injured, and AOS not cutting it, this is a way better forward line.
I don't know if the bench was named too ? But it would be great to have options like Gardner and Ronaldson to come in, backed up with Harte, BJP and AOS if needed. This is key... JOM & Co need to make the correct switches if, and when, necessary!
I am not as surprised as most, with this team selection and I believe they will be good enough for Sligo on Saturday evening.
Quote from: western exile on June 03, 2010, 11:16:04 AM
The team selected is the form team. I am a little surprised at the "shock" from some other posters.
From 1 to 9 the team is very like most teams selected for the last 2 years. The big exception is the dropping of Gardner, but the in-form lads had to be accommodated, so fair play to management for that.
Dillon is a loss of course, but the 3 half forwards are the same 3 that played most games this year in Dillons absence, so no surprise there either. I share the same concerns re Trevor as most posters, but we all knew the captain was always going to be selected.
On form this year, Varley had to be selected. And on form this year, Aiden O'Shea had to be dropped. His understudy Alan Freeman, who came on to good effect in most games this year, is the obvious replacement.
Which leaves the final corner spot a straight choice between Conor Mort and Ronaldson. The management went with the more experienced lad. But it is great to have Ronaldo on the bench when needed.
I don't know why so many posters were assuming there would be a "twin towers" strategy. There was no evidence of it so far this year. Besides, with Moran injured, and AOS not cutting it, this is a way better forward line.
I don't know if the bench was named too ? But it would be great to have options like Gardner and Ronaldson to come in, backed up with Harte, BJP and AOS if needed. This is key... JOM & Co need to make the correct switches if, and when, necessary!
I am not as surprised as most, with this team selection and I believe they will be good enough for Sligo on Saturday evening.
Good sensible post In fact, the only selection worthy of controversy is that of Alan Freeman at no. 14 and he played quite well any time he got a run in the league. Certainly, there could be problems upfront unless the long established trio of Andy, Trevor and Conoreen don't step up to the mark but that's just a possibility and not a probability.
I wouldn't press the panic button just yet.
Quote from: western exile on June 03, 2010, 11:16:04 AM
The team selected is the form team. I am a little surprised at the "shock" from some other posters.
From 1 to 9 the team is very like most teams selected for the last 2 years. The big exception is the dropping of Gardner, but the in-form lads had to be accommodated, so fair play to management for that.
Dillon is a loss of course, but the 3 half forwards are the same 3 that played most games this year in Dillons absence, so no surprise there either. I share the same concerns re Trevor as most posters, but we all knew the captain was always going to be selected.
On form this year, Varley had to be selected. And on form this year, Aiden O'Shea had to be dropped. His understudy Alan Freeman, who came on to good effect in most games this year, is the obvious replacement.
Which leaves the final corner spot a straight choice between Conor Mort and Ronaldson. The management went with the more experienced lad. But it is great to have Ronaldo on the bench when needed.
I don't know why so many posters were assuming there would be a "twin towers" strategy. There was no evidence of it so far this year. Besides, with Moran injured, and AOS not cutting it, this is a way better forward line.
I don't know if the bench was named too ? But it would be great to have options like Gardner and Ronaldson to come in, backed up with Harte, BJP and AOS if needed. This is key... JOM & Co need to make the correct switches if, and when, necessary!
I am not as surprised as most, with this team selection and I believe they will be good enough for Sligo on Saturday evening.
This is the FORM team, based on Challenge matches and Training :D
That leaves us with a potential forward line on the sidelines of :
Harte Aidan O'Shea Dillon
Ronaldson B Moran Kilcoyne
(BJP as an option anywhere really!)
That's healthy for Mayo but i would like to see the forwards doing the business on Sat and making it very diffficult to be dropped. I take it Alan Freeman is our right-footed freetaker then on Sat and Conor the left ones? Really hoping Alan Freeman goes well and gives the Aughamore club a little something to smile about.
Quote from: shaund10 on June 03, 2010, 08:43:41 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 02, 2010, 11:13:46 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on June 02, 2010, 10:45:58 PM
What a team to have built after 4 years of trying........there isn't a half decent club team that would fear the Mayo forward line. We are going backwards so quickly under ALL of this current management team. It looks like a joke of a team, I only hope it is a joke. Imagine if we were heading out to play Kerry or Cork with this team......Mayo God Help Us.
I take it you re not impressed. Would you not cut him a bit of slack for injuries itself? You realise of course that if we progress that we will be going out v Cork or Kerry with this team- if we get that far? I mean what other team is there?
Tit for tat games at Castlebar and Salthill are all very well, but if the Galway forward's got Mayo in the wide expanses of Croker, they would rip them to shreds. They only had 2/4 stars playing last time out at Croker, and managed to knock 1-16 past Kerry in a monsoon. Sadly Mayo dont have the forwards to outscore that. So theres your other team....
FFS I meant what other Mayo team is there to put out against Cork?Kerry. Nothing to do with Galway.
Quote from: moysider on June 03, 2010, 01:10:53 PM
Quote from: shaund10 on June 03, 2010, 08:43:41 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 02, 2010, 11:13:46 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on June 02, 2010, 10:45:58 PM
What a team to have built after 4 years of trying........there isn't a half decent club team that would fear the Mayo forward line. We are going backwards so quickly under ALL of this current management team. It looks like a joke of a team, I only hope it is a joke. Imagine if we were heading out to play Kerry or Cork with this team......Mayo God Help Us.
I take it you re not impressed. Would you not cut him a bit of slack for injuries itself? You realise of course that if we progress that we will be going out v Cork or Kerry with this team- if we get that far? I mean what other team is there?
Tit for tat games at Castlebar and Salthill are all very well, but if the Galway forward's got Mayo in the wide expanses of Croker, they would rip them to shreds. They only had 2/4 stars playing last time out at Croker, and managed to knock 1-16 past Kerry in a monsoon. Sadly Mayo dont have the forwards to outscore that. So theres your other team....
FFS I meant what other Mayo team is there to put out against Cork?Kerry. Nothing to do with Galway.
My mistake. I thought you meant that Cork/Kerry would be the only teams able to knock you out in the later stages of the championship. Apologies..
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on June 03, 2010, 01:09:42 PM
That leaves us with a potential forward line on the sidelines of :
Harte Aidan O'Shea Dillon
Ronaldson B Moran Kilcoyne
(BJP as an option anywhere really!)
That's healthy for Mayo but i would like to see the forwards doing the business on Sat and making it very diffficult to be dropped. I take it Alan Freeman is our right-footed freetaker then on Sat and Conor the left ones? Really hoping Alan Freeman goes well and gives the Aughamore club a little something to smile about.
I'm pretty sure Varley will be taking the frees on the left. Also, I'd say Conor will take the ones on the right unless he's feeling particularly confident on Saturday evening :)
I would actually say that Cork & Kerry are the teams that will knock us out of this yrs championship, I wouldn't fear anyone else.
I thought David Kelly was injured, his dad reckoned last week he wouldn't start, so may be a late change there if he doesn't make it
It is a strange looking FF line but Johnno has always rewarded guys who were flying in training. Lets hope they keep flying.
Chris Barrett deserves his chance, even though he has only started a couple of times in the corner he has done well. He was a small minor and an even smaller U-21 but he has bulked up a lot and is an honest defender with loads of football. If Keith Higgins is back to his best and Caff develops as we hoped, we may be very close to solving our most serious problem of the last few years. I really like the half back line and while there isn't a huge amount of experience there we could be looking at them in a few years as one of the most influential units in the country.
As for the rest Conor Mort has to start, always. The half forward line looks weak without Alan Dillon which will be a problem but Trevor's problems happen in Croker, not Connacht, so I expect him to play well on Saturday. Andy is lucky to keep his place but like I said at the start Johnno often rewards lads who are training well. He needs a good game though.
I don't know what happened AOS. Very surprised at that one but I'm looking forward to seeing the man who has taken his place.
I tipped Sligo for Connacht months ago and if they win on Saturday I would be confident they will do it. But deep down the green and red mist is descending and I think we win will.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 03, 2010, 01:52:48 PM
I would actually say that Cork & Kerry are the teams that will knock us out of this yrs championship, I wouldn't fear anyone else.
I thought David Kelly was injured, his dad reckoned last week he wouldn't start, so may be a late change there if he doesn't make it
There was a concern all right, but in Kellys own words "im flying at the minute" and not in a plane ;), does answer any concerns.
I didnt know kellys father is a mayoman and that he only moved to tubber at age 10 from belmullet, ;D
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 03, 2010, 02:25:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 03, 2010, 01:52:48 PM
I would actually say that Cork & Kerry are the teams that will knock us out of this yrs championship, I wouldn't fear anyone else.
I thought David Kelly was injured, his dad reckoned last week he wouldn't start, so may be a late change there if he doesn't make it
There was a concern all right, but in Kellys own words "im flying at the minute" and not in a plane ;), does answer any concerns.
I didnt know kellys father is a mayoman and that he only moved to tubber at age 10 from belmullet, ;D
ah that explains where he got the skills from ;)
Andy Moran had a great start to the league but faded away towards the end. I think this was no harm as its hard to keep it going all year. I saw him in action in a couple of the challenge matches and he seems to be flying again. Definitely worth his place for now.
Alan Freeman has also been going well in the challenges. At the end of the day the manager has to pick who is playing well at the moment,
O'Mahoney has done the right thing with A O'Shea. He was given every chance all through the league but hasn't improved. The man looks seriously unfit. If he hopes to make it as an inter county footballer he has to get in shape.
Im a little surprised with Varley. Even though he had a good league up until the injury, I felt after loosing his place he wouldnt get it back. I suppose with the injuries to others he's the best option.
Im delighted with the 2 wingbacks. Seriously good footballers the both of them. I felt that Gardiner would be in for the experience but these boys are the future and I dont think either will let us down. Its early yet to comment on Cunnife as we havent seen much of him but really no other choice for this position
So all in all the team selected is probably as good as it gets. Time to get behind them all and see how it goes. A very young team that has a real feel of change about it,with a lot of players that will be carrying the can for Mayo football for many years to come
peadar gardiner will be a great man to bring in if things are getting sticky...He's been a very under-rated member of our team for years. Won us the connacht final last year with his coolness under pressure
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 03, 2010, 02:25:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 03, 2010, 01:52:48 PM
I would actually say that Cork & Kerry are the teams that will knock us out of this yrs championship, I wouldn't fear anyone else.
I thought David Kelly was injured, his dad reckoned last week he wouldn't start, so may be a late change there if he doesn't make it
There was a concern all right, but in Kellys own words "im flying at the minute" and not in a plane ;), does answer any concerns.
I didnt know kellys father is a mayoman and that he only moved to tubber at age 10 from belmullet, ;D
Imagine that. The three best players on the sligo team O,Hara, Costelloe and Kelly are Mayo men ;D
Last time Mayo started without a Crossmolina man was in 1993. Against Sligo in Markievicz. Result Sligo 1-6 Mayo 1-14. ;D
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 03, 2010, 11:50:49 AM
Quote from: western exile on June 03, 2010, 11:16:04 AM
The team selected is the form team. I am a little surprised at the "shock" from some other posters.
From 1 to 9 the team is very like most teams selected for the last 2 years. The big exception is the dropping of Gardner, but the in-form lads had to be accommodated, so fair play to management for that.
Dillon is a loss of course, but the 3 half forwards are the same 3 that played most games this year in Dillons absence, so no surprise there either. I share the same concerns re Trevor as most posters, but we all knew the captain was always going to be selected.
On form this year, Varley had to be selected. And on form this year, Aiden O'Shea had to be dropped. His understudy Alan Freeman, who came on to good effect in most games this year, is the obvious replacement.
Which leaves the final corner spot a straight choice between Conor Mort and Ronaldson. The management went with the more experienced lad. But it is great to have Ronaldo on the bench when needed.
I don't know why so many posters were assuming there would be a "twin towers" strategy. There was no evidence of it so far this year. Besides, with Moran injured, and AOS not cutting it, this is a way better forward line.
I don't know if the bench was named too ? But it would be great to have options like Gardner and Ronaldson to come in, backed up with Harte, BJP and AOS if needed. This is key... JOM & Co need to make the correct switches if, and when, necessary!
I am not as surprised as most, with this team selection and I believe they will be good enough for Sligo on Saturday evening.
This is the FORM team, based on Challenge matches and Training :D
And a NFL Div 1 run which had them finish top of the table! ::)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 03, 2010, 07:54:52 PM
Last time Mayo started without a Crossmolina man was in 1993. Against Sligo in Markievicz. Result Sligo 1-6 Mayo 1-14. ;D
Feck, 1993. The Ros game, then the Cork game - still gives me the shivers now...can't believe that Mayo team actually managed to score 1-14 in a game!
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 03, 2010, 09:03:48 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 03, 2010, 07:54:52 PM
Last time Mayo started without a Crossmolina man was in 1993. Against Sligo in Markievicz. Result Sligo 1-6 Mayo 1-14. ;D
Feck, 1993. The Ros game, then the Cork game - still gives me the shivers now...can't believe that Mayo team actually managed to score 1-14 in a game!
Ah yes the Ros game. I remember it well. Had a video of it until recently. 1-5 to 7 points. One of my favorites actually. Winning the only thing that mattered. O Neill's pass and a great finish by Dempsey for a goal for the ages. A lot of it was muck though it has to be said.
Thinking a bit more about our team selection and I m convinced that if Barry Moran was fit to start O Sé would have started too. But having to start 2 smaller men in the corners I think they feel that Freeman will give them more pace and shape. It was worrying that Aidan was not bringing others into the game and hanging onto the ball. He was better playing off Moran last year. I still think if we do anything this year though Aidan will be a crucial player for us.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on June 03, 2010, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 03, 2010, 02:25:17 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 03, 2010, 01:52:48 PM
I would actually say that Cork & Kerry are the teams that will knock us out of this yrs championship, I wouldn't fear anyone else.
I thought David Kelly was injured, his dad reckoned last week he wouldn't start, so may be a late change there if he doesn't make it
There was a concern all right, but in Kellys own words "im flying at the minute" and not in a plane ;), does answer any concerns.
I didnt know kellys father is a mayoman and that he only moved to tubber at age 10 from belmullet, ;D
Imagine that. The three best players on the sligo team O,Hara, Costelloe and Kelly are Mayo men ;D
And Tom Parsons is more a Sligoman than the 3 of them ;)
Barry Moran will play a role on Saturday, how much remains to be seen. Word that i've got from home is that the decision to drop AOS was thought about/made as far back as 2 weeks ago, management not happy with his fitness.
Quote from: western exile on June 03, 2010, 08:04:26 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 03, 2010, 11:50:49 AM
Quote from: western exile on June 03, 2010, 11:16:04 AM
The team selected is the form team. I am a little surprised at the "shock" from some other posters.
From 1 to 9 the team is very like most teams selected for the last 2 years. The big exception is the dropping of Gardner, but the in-form lads had to be accommodated, so fair play to management for that.
Dillon is a loss of course, but the 3 half forwards are the same 3 that played most games this year in Dillons absence, so no surprise there either. I share the same concerns re Trevor as most posters, but we all knew the captain was always going to be selected.
On form this year, Varley had to be selected. And on form this year, Aiden O'Shea had to be dropped. His understudy Alan Freeman, who came on to good effect in most games this year, is the obvious replacement.
Which leaves the final corner spot a straight choice between Conor Mort and Ronaldson. The management went with the more experienced lad. But it is great to have Ronaldo on the bench when needed.
I don't know why so many posters were assuming there would be a "twin towers" strategy. There was no evidence of it so far this year. Besides, with Moran injured, and AOS not cutting it, this is a way better forward line.
I don't know if the bench was named too ? But it would be great to have options like Gardner and Ronaldson to come in, backed up with Harte, BJP and AOS if needed. This is key... JOM & Co need to make the correct switches if, and when, necessary!
I am not as surprised as most, with this team selection and I believe they will be good enough for Sligo on Saturday evening.
This is the FORM team, based on Challenge matches and Training :D
And a NFL Div 1 run which had them finish top of the table! ::)
Great comeback reinforcing my point :D, you probably still dont get it 8)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 03, 2010, 07:54:52 PM
Last time Mayo started without a Crossmolina man was in 1993. Against Sligo in Markievicz. Result Sligo 1-6 Mayo 1-14. ;D
There it is, there it is everyone, mayo will win because the last time no crossmolina man was in there starting team they beat us, we are doomed :D
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 03, 2010, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: western exile on June 03, 2010, 08:04:26 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 03, 2010, 11:50:49 AM
Quote from: western exile on June 03, 2010, 11:16:04 AM
The team selected is the form team. I am a little surprised at the "shock" from some other posters.
From 1 to 9 the team is very like most teams selected for the last 2 years. The big exception is the dropping of Gardner, but the in-form lads had to be accommodated, so fair play to management for that.
Dillon is a loss of course, but the 3 half forwards are the same 3 that played most games this year in Dillons absence, so no surprise there either. I share the same concerns re Trevor as most posters, but we all knew the captain was always going to be selected.
On form this year, Varley had to be selected. And on form this year, Aiden O'Shea had to be dropped. His understudy Alan Freeman, who came on to good effect in most games this year, is the obvious replacement.
Which leaves the final corner spot a straight choice between Conor Mort and Ronaldson. The management went with the more experienced lad. But it is great to have Ronaldo on the bench when needed.
I don't know why so many posters were assuming there would be a "twin towers" strategy. There was no evidence of it so far this year. Besides, with Moran injured, and AOS not cutting it, this is a way better forward line.
I don't know if the bench was named too ? But it would be great to have options like Gardner and Ronaldson to come in, backed up with Harte, BJP and AOS if needed. This is key... JOM & Co need to make the correct switches if, and when, necessary!
I am not as surprised as most, with this team selection and I believe they will be good enough for Sligo on Saturday evening.
This is the FORM team, based on Challenge matches and Training :D
And a NFL Div 1 run which had them finish top of the table! ::)
Great comeback reinforcing my point :D, you probably still dont get it 8)
Probably because you didn't make your point too well.
If I was you I'd be getting very excited about Saturday because its there for ye. But I guess you are excited about it anyway! And I'm not trying to send you up either. Very worried about this game. 11/4 is some value.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 03, 2010, 10:46:39 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 03, 2010, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: western exile on June 03, 2010, 08:04:26 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 03, 2010, 11:50:49 AM
Quote from: western exile on June 03, 2010, 11:16:04 AM
The team selected is the form team. I am a little surprised at the "shock" from some other posters.
From 1 to 9 the team is very like most teams selected for the last 2 years. The big exception is the dropping of Gardner, but the in-form lads had to be accommodated, so fair play to management for that.
Dillon is a loss of course, but the 3 half forwards are the same 3 that played most games this year in Dillons absence, so no surprise there either. I share the same concerns re Trevor as most posters, but we all knew the captain was always going to be selected.
On form this year, Varley had to be selected. And on form this year, Aiden O'Shea had to be dropped. His understudy Alan Freeman, who came on to good effect in most games this year, is the obvious replacement.
Which leaves the final corner spot a straight choice between Conor Mort and Ronaldson. The management went with the more experienced lad. But it is great to have Ronaldo on the bench when needed.
I don't know why so many posters were assuming there would be a "twin towers" strategy. There was no evidence of it so far this year. Besides, with Moran injured, and AOS not cutting it, this is a way better forward line.
I don't know if the bench was named too ? But it would be great to have options like Gardner and Ronaldson to come in, backed up with Harte, BJP and AOS if needed. This is key... JOM & Co need to make the correct switches if, and when, necessary!
I am not as surprised as most, with this team selection and I believe they will be good enough for Sligo on Saturday evening.
This is the FORM team, based on Challenge matches and Training :D
And a NFL Div 1 run which had them finish top of the table! ::)
Great comeback reinforcing my point :D, you probably still dont get it 8)
Probably because you didn't make your point too well.
If I was you I'd be getting very excited about Saturday because its there for ye. But I guess you are excited about it anyway! And I'm not trying to send you up either. Very worried about this game. 11/4 is some value.
Nah my point is fairly clear,
Ive 40 euro on us at 11/4 with PP,
Its hard to believe but we were 6/1 to beat roscommon in 07 and 6/1 to win final, those were big bucks days......
To be honest the amount of predictions i get right, i should start betting more, even with the spreads... i would be stunned if we were beat by more than 3pts. One thing ive learned is usually with games like this what you think will happen, not even close happens, I remember thinking in 07 we have to take every chance, have a good start to have a chance, but we were 5-2 down and we missed loads of frees as everyone knows but still won.
Last yr we were 8-2 down after 25 mins against Galway, so even if that happened again I wouldnt panic, were 8-8 with Galway a few miutes in the 2nd half, there is definitly character in this side. Id rather be a 1pt down going into the last 10mins.
Well ye are even money with a handicap of +3, which I don't think is near as good value as 11/4 straight up. If Mayo are to win, then I think they could win by a few points. But if its in the balance down the home strait, Sligo could be more likely to win by one point than Mayo, so straight odds better value. But, hell, maybe we're far too negative. Maybe a division of a gap will count. BUt there's a lot to be said for momentum. Sligo have that. If they can ally that with belief - and I mean belief in the last five minutes, then its there for the taking for them.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 03, 2010, 10:56:00 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 03, 2010, 10:46:39 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 03, 2010, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: western exile on June 03, 2010, 08:04:26 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 03, 2010, 11:50:49 AM
Quote from: western exile on June 03, 2010, 11:16:04 AM
The team selected is the form team. I am a little surprised at the "shock" from some other posters.
From 1 to 9 the team is very like most teams selected for the last 2 years. The big exception is the dropping of Gardner, but the in-form lads had to be accommodated, so fair play to management for that.
Dillon is a loss of course, but the 3 half forwards are the same 3 that played most games this year in Dillons absence, so no surprise there either. I share the same concerns re Trevor as most posters, but we all knew the captain was always going to be selected.
On form this year, Varley had to be selected. And on form this year, Aiden O'Shea had to be dropped. His understudy Alan Freeman, who came on to good effect in most games this year, is the obvious replacement.
Which leaves the final corner spot a straight choice between Conor Mort and Ronaldson. The management went with the more experienced lad. But it is great to have Ronaldo on the bench when needed.
I don't know why so many posters were assuming there would be a "twin towers" strategy. There was no evidence of it so far this year. Besides, with Moran injured, and AOS not cutting it, this is a way better forward line.
I don't know if the bench was named too ? But it would be great to have options like Gardner and Ronaldson to come in, backed up with Harte, BJP and AOS if needed. This is key... JOM & Co need to make the correct switches if, and when, necessary!
I am not as surprised as most, with this team selection and I believe they will be good enough for Sligo on Saturday evening.
This is the FORM team, based on Challenge matches and Training :D
And a NFL Div 1 run which had them finish top of the table! ::)
Great comeback reinforcing my point :D, you probably still dont get it 8)
Probably because you didn't make your point too well.
If I was you I'd be getting very excited about Saturday because its there for ye. But I guess you are excited about it anyway! And I'm not trying to send you up either. Very worried about this game. 11/4 is some value.
Nah my point is fairly clear,
Ive 40 euro on us at 11/4 with PP,
Its hard to believe but we were 6/1 to beat roscommon in 07 and 6/1 to win final, those were big bucks days......
To be honest the amount of predictions i get right, i should start betting more, even with the spreads... i would be stunned if we were beat by more than 3pts. One thing ive learned is usually with games like this what you think will happen, not even close happens, I remember thinking in 07 we have to take every chance, have a good start to have a chance, but we were 5-2 down and we missed loads of frees as everyone knows but still won.
Last yr we were 8-2 down after 25 mins against Galway, so even if that happened again I wouldnt panic, were 8-8 with Galway a few miutes in the 2nd half, there is definitly character in this side. Id rather be a 1pt down going into the last 10mins.
Id rather be 1 point up in the last 10 seconds. ;D
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 03, 2010, 10:46:39 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 03, 2010, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: western exile on June 03, 2010, 08:04:26 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 03, 2010, 11:50:49 AM
Quote from: western exile on June 03, 2010, 11:16:04 AM
The team selected is the form team. I am a little surprised at the "shock" from some other posters.
From 1 to 9 the team is very like most teams selected for the last 2 years. The big exception is the dropping of Gardner, but the in-form lads had to be accommodated, so fair play to management for that.
Dillon is a loss of course, but the 3 half forwards are the same 3 that played most games this year in Dillons absence, so no surprise there either. I share the same concerns re Trevor as most posters, but we all knew the captain was always going to be selected.
On form this year, Varley had to be selected. And on form this year, Aiden O'Shea had to be dropped. His understudy Alan Freeman, who came on to good effect in most games this year, is the obvious replacement.
Which leaves the final corner spot a straight choice between Conor Mort and Ronaldson. The management went with the more experienced lad. But it is great to have Ronaldo on the bench when needed.
I don't know why so many posters were assuming there would be a "twin towers" strategy. There was no evidence of it so far this year. Besides, with Moran injured, and AOS not cutting it, this is a way better forward line.
I don't know if the bench was named too ? But it would be great to have options like Gardner and Ronaldson to come in, backed up with Harte, BJP and AOS if needed. This is key... JOM & Co need to make the correct switches if, and when, necessary!
I am not as surprised as most, with this team selection and I believe they will be good enough for Sligo on Saturday evening.
This is the FORM team, based on Challenge matches and Training :D
And a NFL Div 1 run which had them finish top of the table! ::)
Great comeback reinforcing my point :D, you probably still dont get it 8)
Probably because you didn't make your point too well.
If I was you I'd be getting very excited about Saturday because its there for ye. But I guess you are excited about it anyway! And I'm not trying to send you up either. Very worried about this game. 11/4 is some value.
I ve had the worry knocked out of me last few years. It s a good thing and a bad thing. Have to admit though that this has a feel of 2000 about it all over again. The Sligo lads I ve talked to have all had grins on their faces while trying to sound cautious. However these games can have a life of their own and nothing would surprise me. A lot of store is being put on the league final but people seem to forget the hammerings Cork gave Donegal and Tyrone last Summer. Teams that were getting along nicely until they played Cork. Tyrone were humiliated yet nobody danced on their grave like punters did us after a watery league final. Tyrone are more or less togging the same team again and will do fine until they play Cork again. Mayo should be comfortable with the pace on Saturday evening. I think it s down to selection, tactics, decision making by our players and who is fit to spring off the bench (I d love to have Harte, AOS, Ronaldson, Dillon and Barry Moran available to bring on) for that will decide if we can win it. I believe who is available to bring on is as crucial as who starts. If our starting 15 can stay with Sligo for 40 those lads, if fit, can seal it. We already know the starting 15 but that s about it.
A Saturday evening game is a novelty for a Connacht Championship. I will be staying in town after the game. What are the best football watering holes?
Quote from: western exile on June 03, 2010, 11:36:16 PM
A Saturday evening game is a novelty for a Connacht Championship. I will be staying in town after the game. What are the best football watering holes?
There aren't any but every pub will have a football crowd for a few hours anyway you would expect. Think I ll head for home after. It ll be fierce craic if we lose. Even the club men who hate the county team will be throwing cobble stones. They ll be delighted we lost but will take advantage of a chance to be even more bitter.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 03, 2010, 10:44:27 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 03, 2010, 07:54:52 PM
Last time Mayo started without a Crossmolina man was in 1993. Against Sligo in Markievicz. Result Sligo 1-6 Mayo 1-14. ;D
There it is, there it is everyone, mayo will win because the last time no crossmolina man was in there starting team they beat us, we are doomed :D
No, its because ye are shite at football.... :-[
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 03, 2010, 07:54:52 PM
Last time Mayo started without a Crossmolina man was in 1993. Against Sligo in Markievicz. Result Sligo 1-6 Mayo 1-14. ;D
Sorry Farr but I just had a look at WJs site. In fact to find the last time Mayo started a Cship game without a Cross man you only have to go as far back as 2007. Bit of a shame as it would have been a good stat!
Gardiner and McD coming on as subs in Celtic park.
QuoteROUND 2: Derry 2-13 Mayo 1-6 (Celtic Park, Derry, 14/7/2007). MAYO: D Clarke, T Cunniffe, L O'Malley, T Howley; D Heaney, D Kilcullen, T Mortimor (0-1); P Harte, D Brady; BJ Padden, P Hanley (0-1), A Dillon; C Mortimor (0-1, free), B Moran (1-2), A Moran (0-1). Subs: A Kilcoyne (0-1) for Dillon (half-time), A Campbell for Kilcoyne (43 mins, inj), K O'Neill for Padden (51 mins), P Gardiner for Cunniffe (55 mins), C McDonald for Campbell (58 mins). Blood sub: R McGarritty for D Brady (69 mins).
Match reports: [Western People] [Mayo News] [Derry Journal]
To find the last time a Crossmolina man played you have to go to the previous year against Donegal, although I'd bet good money that streak will continue, with Gardiner playing some part on Saturday.
QuoteSEMI-FINAL: Donegal 0-13 Mayo 0-9 (Croke Park, 16/8/1992). MAYO: G Irwin; K Beirne, P Forde, D Flanagan; A McGarry, T Tierney, P Butler; S Maher (0-1), TJ Kilgallon; J Jennings (0-4, frees), K Staunton, T Morley (0-1); R Dempsey (0-2, one free), L McHale (0-1), A Finnerty (0-1). Subs: N Durcan for Finnerty, P Brogan for Maher.
Wouldn't it be great to knock all this arrogant confidence off Sligo peoples faces with aeven a one point win tomorrow!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 04, 2010, 08:43:13 AM
Wouldn't it be great to knock all this arrogant confidence off Sligo peoples faces with aeven a one point win tomorrow!
What a load of rubbish. The only arrogance and confidence on this board is coming from the Mayo side. Even the usually confident Sligonian isn't going over the top.
The odds of 11/4 against Sligo say it all - bookies don't get it wrong too often.
QuoteSEMI-FINAL: Donegal 0-13 Mayo 0-9 (Croke Park, 16/8/1992). MAYO: G Irwin; K Beirne, P Forde, D Flanagan; A McGarry, T Tierney, P Butler; S Maher (0-1), TJ Kilgallon; J Jennings (0-4, frees), K Staunton, T Morley (0-1); R Dempsey (0-2, one free), L McHale (0-1), A Finnerty (0-1). Subs: N Durcan for Finnerty, P Brogan for Maher.
Jaysus, look at the size of that Mayo forward line and midfield. Larry was the smallest and 'small' was never a word you would really use to describe him.
Quote from: western exile on June 03, 2010, 11:36:16 PM
A Saturday evening game is a novelty for a Connacht Championship. I will be staying in town after the game. What are the best football watering holes?
The Sligo team will be in Fiddler Creek afterwards if your looking to get autographs ;)
I'm hearing that a lot of the south Sligo boys that night be in and around Enniscrone Golf club or into Ballina are expecting a Sligo win - not hoping now, expecting it. Let's hope we can disappoint them - unfortunately not going to be able to see the game, have it set to record but it will be Monday afternoon before I'll get a chance to sit down and watch it.
Quote from: stephenite on June 04, 2010, 12:38:37 PM
I'm hearing that a lot of the south Sligo boys that night be in and around Enniscrone Golf club or into Ballina are expecting a Sligo win - not hoping now, expecting it. Let's hope we can disappoint them - unfortunately not going to be able to see the game, have it set to record but it will be Monday afternoon before I'll get a chance to sit down and watch it.
I think everyone in Sligo is expecting a Sligo win, but unlike Mayo we are not expecting an easy game with winning pulling up by about 6-10 pts. Im expecting a 1pt win as JJJ with the winning point coming in the last 10 secs of injury time after a serious effort. I know some in Mayo expect a tough game but ye would be in the minority. Whoever loses will be disappointed kinda goes without saying. I do think its arrogant for either side to go into this expecting it to be easy, we in Sligo have every right to expect to win, but we know it will take a huge performance.
If we were expecting to lose we wouldnt bother turning up, i think a huge Sligo crowd will turn up and as I said we are not turning up to watch us lose.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 04, 2010, 01:13:53 PM
Quote from: stephenite on June 04, 2010, 12:38:37 PM
I'm hearing that a lot of the south Sligo boys that night be in and around Enniscrone Golf club or into Ballina are expecting a Sligo win - not hoping now, expecting it. Let's hope we can disappoint them - unfortunately not going to be able to see the game, have it set to record but it will be Monday afternoon before I'll get a chance to sit down and watch it.
I think everyone in Sligo is expecting a Sligo win, but unlike Mayo we are not expecting an easy game with winning pulling up by about 6-10 pts. Im expecting a 1pt win as JJJ with the winning point coming in the last 10 secs of injury time after a serious effort. I know some in Mayo expect a tough game but ye would be in the minority. Whoever loses will be disappointed kinda goes without saying. I do think its arrogant for either side to go into this expecting it to be easy, we in Sligo have every right to expect to win, but we know it will take a huge performance.
If we were expecting to lose we wouldnt bother turning up, i think a huge Sligo crowd will turn up and as I said we are not turning up to watch us lose.
That's all fair enough - I think it's the slagging and the confidence of the Sligo supporters that I've heard about that made me write that post. I grew up to not hearing a peek out of the Sligo lads in school/work in the weeks before a championship game, nearly resigned to being beat. That's all changed now obviously and I think that's brilliant.
I'm away too long at this stage I suppose and that's about as much as I can post on-haven't see Mayo play yet this year. :'(
Mayo to win by 4 based on nothing but history and my own ignorance of where both teams are at.
If there are over 10 or 12 thousand at this game I'd be surprised given the circumstances.What would constitute a huge Sligo crowd exactly? It's 2am throw in over here....will have been long on the batter by then...text updates will have to do. Could seriously do without a loss added to the inevitable hangover :-\
Quote from: ballinaman on June 04, 2010, 01:38:16 PM
What would constitute a huge Sligo crowd exactly?
game in the showgrounds
:P
Quote from: spuds on June 04, 2010, 01:52:56 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on June 04, 2010, 01:38:16 PM
What would constitute a huge Sligo crowd exactly?
game in the showgrounds
:P
About 2,000 so or should i say 1,999 less my ticket! :D
Quote from: GBXII on June 01, 2010, 08:36:31 PM
Quote from: western exile on June 01, 2010, 08:23:47 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 30, 2010, 08:27:59 PM
You know it makes me laugh when I hear the likes of longfords, westmeaths, donegals go on about if they were in Connacht they have a better chance, when you see the shite of longford/louth donegal/down games, and we might face Galway or Mayo first round every yr, its way harder, any chance of letting Sligo into Ulster? You we might get an easier first rd match... Sligo are going to have to be alot better than any team in championship so far to beat mayo. No chance of easing ourselves in like 07..
;D ;D ;D
Sligo get the better of Antrim (traditionally the 9th best football team in Ulster) in Div 3 and 4 league football, and you think that that makes them ready to survive the fire and brimstone that is the Ulster Championship! ::)
Oh... the naiveté of the innocent 8)
Idiotic comment all right.
Jaysus, of all the shite you've posted on here Sligonian, that takes the biscuit. Who if anyone from Westmeath has ever harped on about wishing to be in Connacht? Not to mention Longford or Donegal. Take a redner...
What's the word on tickets boys? Is this thing sold out yet?
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 04, 2010, 02:01:19 PM
Quote from: GBXII on June 01, 2010, 08:36:31 PM
Quote from: western exile on June 01, 2010, 08:23:47 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 30, 2010, 08:27:59 PM
You know it makes me laugh when I hear the likes of longfords, westmeaths, donegals go on about if they were in Connacht they have a better chance, when you see the shite of longford/louth donegal/down games, and we might face Galway or Mayo first round every yr, its way harder, any chance of letting Sligo into Ulster? You we might get an easier first rd match... Sligo are going to have to be alot better than any team in championship so far to beat mayo. No chance of easing ourselves in like 07..
;D ;D ;D
Sligo get the better of Antrim (traditionally the 9th best football team in Ulster) in Div 3 and 4 league football, and you think that that makes them ready to survive the fire and brimstone that is the Ulster Championship! ::)
Oh... the naiveté of the innocent 8)
Idiotic comment all right.
Jaysus, of all the shite you've posted on here Sligonian, that takes the biscuit. Who if anyone from Westmeath has ever harped on about wishing to be in Connacht? Not to mention Longford or Donegal. Take a redner...
Not you then, but there are other people besides yourself from westmeath, Ive heard it enough times from Longford, Westmeath and donegal people over the yrs having a go at connacht... Id take playing wicklow over mayo this weekend to get into a provincial semi final.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 04, 2010, 02:15:25 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 04, 2010, 02:01:19 PM
Quote from: GBXII on June 01, 2010, 08:36:31 PM
Quote from: western exile on June 01, 2010, 08:23:47 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 30, 2010, 08:27:59 PM
You know it makes me laugh when I hear the likes of longfords, westmeaths, donegals go on about if they were in Connacht they have a better chance, when you see the shite of longford/louth donegal/down games, and we might face Galway or Mayo first round every yr, its way harder, any chance of letting Sligo into Ulster? You we might get an easier first rd match... Sligo are going to have to be alot better than any team in championship so far to beat mayo. No chance of easing ourselves in like 07..
;D ;D ;D
Sligo get the better of Antrim (traditionally the 9th best football team in Ulster) in Div 3 and 4 league football, and you think that that makes them ready to survive the fire and brimstone that is the Ulster Championship! ::)
Oh... the naiveté of the innocent 8)
Idiotic comment all right.
Jaysus, of all the shite you've posted on here Sligonian, that takes the biscuit. Who if anyone from Westmeath has ever harped on about wishing to be in Connacht? Not to mention Longford or Donegal. Take a redner...
Not you then, but there are other people besides yourself from westmeath, Ive heard it enough times from Longford, Westmeath and donegal people over the yrs having a go at connacht... Id take playing wicklow over mayo this weekend to get into a provincial semi final.
So it's just some select few in some remote parts of Longford, Westmeath and Donegal that have a go at Connacht then ::) Maybe they're just trying to get a rise out of you since they can see you're so easily wound up. And I'll see you Mickla and raise you a London and a Bye!!! 8)
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 04, 2010, 02:24:44 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 04, 2010, 02:15:25 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 04, 2010, 02:01:19 PM
Quote from: GBXII on June 01, 2010, 08:36:31 PM
Quote from: western exile on June 01, 2010, 08:23:47 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 30, 2010, 08:27:59 PM
You know it makes me laugh when I hear the likes of longfords, westmeaths, donegals go on about if they were in Connacht they have a better chance, when you see the shite of longford/louth donegal/down games, and we might face Galway or Mayo first round every yr, its way harder, any chance of letting Sligo into Ulster? You we might get an easier first rd match... Sligo are going to have to be alot better than any team in championship so far to beat mayo. No chance of easing ourselves in like 07..
;D ;D ;D
Sligo get the better of Antrim (traditionally the 9th best football team in Ulster) in Div 3 and 4 league football, and you think that that makes them ready to survive the fire and brimstone that is the Ulster Championship! ::)
Oh... the naiveté of the innocent 8)
Idiotic comment all right.
Jaysus, of all the shite you've posted on here Sligonian, that takes the biscuit. Who if anyone from Westmeath has ever harped on about wishing to be in Connacht? Not to mention Longford or Donegal. Take a redner...
Not you then, but there are other people besides yourself from westmeath, Ive heard it enough times from Longford, Westmeath and donegal people over the yrs having a go at connacht... Id take playing wicklow over mayo this weekend to get into a provincial semi final.
So it's just some select few in some remote parts of Longford, Westmeath and Donegal that have a go at Connacht then ::) Maybe they're just trying to get a rise out of you since they can see you're so easily wound up. And I'll see you Mickla and raise you a London and a Bye!!! 8)
Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!
This could be better than the football. Mickla - gas. ;D
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 04, 2010, 10:59:57 AM
Quote from: western exile on June 03, 2010, 11:36:16 PM
A Saturday evening game is a novelty for a Connacht Championship. I will be staying in town after the game. What are the best football watering holes?
The Sligo team will be in Fiddler Creek afterwards if your looking to get autographs ;)
How appropriate! ;D
I never heard of Fiddler Creek but I guess any sort of creek will do. Because yee will be stuck up one without yeer paddles after we have finished with youse!
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 04, 2010, 02:14:09 PM
What's the word on tickets boys? Is this thing sold out yet?
It wont sell out anyway. A lot of people wont travel as 5pm on a Saturday is a crazy time for a game.
Thickets should be available at the ground I think...
Anyone with more info?
Still available through ticketmaster.
I thought it was only us Mayo people Sligonian had it in for. He seems to have annoyed nearly everyone else as well. Good on you keep it up! :D
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 04, 2010, 01:13:53 PM
Quote from: stephenite on June 04, 2010, 12:38:37 PM
I'm hearing that a lot of the south Sligo boys that night be in and around Enniscrone Golf club or into Ballina are expecting a Sligo win - not hoping now, expecting it. Let's hope we can disappoint them - unfortunately not going to be able to see the game, have it set to record but it will be Monday afternoon before I'll get a chance to sit down and watch it.
I think everyone in Sligo is expecting a Sligo win, but unlike Mayo we are not expecting an easy game with winning pulling up by about 6-10 pts. Im expecting a 1pt win as JJJ with the winning point coming in the last 10 secs of injury time after a serious effort. I know some in Mayo expect a tough game but ye would be in the minority. Whoever loses will be disappointed kinda goes without saying. I do think its arrogant for either side to go into this expecting it to be easy, we in Sligo have every right to expect to win, but we know it will take a huge performance.
If we were expecting to lose we wouldnt bother turning up, i think a huge Sligo crowd will turn up and as I said we are not turning up to watch us lose.
In fairness its hard not to be disrepectful. It all comes down to pride. Mayo people expect to be one of the top teams in the country, so we expect to beat Sligo and win well. As they said its hard to swallow your pride. Maybe its unrealistic on my part, but its just the way i feel.
In fairness its hard not to be disrepectful. It all comes down to pride. Mayo people expect to be one of the top teams in the country, so we expect to beat Sligo and win well. As they said its hard to swallow your pride. Maybe its unrealistic on my part, but its just the way i feel.
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If you disrespect an opponent it tends to bite you in the arse, I hope it does, to all the Sligo lads on here I hope you get the job done against a team that thinks they are a huge step up in class from ye.
Quote from: stew on June 04, 2010, 07:51:06 PM
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In fairness its hard not to be disrepectful. It all comes down to pride. Mayo people expect to be one of the top teams in the country, so we expect to beat Sligo and win well. As they said its hard to swallow your pride. Maybe its unrealistic on my part, but its just the way i feel.
If you disrespect an opponent it tends to bite you in the arse, I hope it does, to all the Sligo lads on here I hope you get the job done against a team that thinks they are a huge step up in class from ye.
You better hope that Armagh don't meet Mayo later this year ;)
Quote from: stew on June 04, 2010, 07:51:06 PM
In fairness its hard not to be disrepectful. It all comes down to pride. Mayo people expect to be one of the top teams in the country, so we expect to beat Sligo and win well. As they said its hard to swallow your pride. Maybe its unrealistic on my part, but its just the way i feel.
If you disrespect an opponent it tends to bite you in the arse, I hope it does, to all the Sligo lads on here I hope you get the job done against a team that thinks they are a huge step up in class from ye.
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shouldnt bite but your one contrary briar not happy windin up bingobus and gettin him to leave the site and here you go agin fightin to stay relevant in your ignorance in your bolt hole
doubt many here give a flying **** who your shoutin for behind that keyboard
Quote from: spuds on June 04, 2010, 08:20:03 PM
Quote from: stew on June 04, 2010, 07:51:06 PM
In fairness its hard not to be disrepectful. It all comes down to pride. Mayo people expect to be one of the top teams in the country, so we expect to beat Sligo and win well. As they said its hard to swallow your pride. Maybe its unrealistic on my part, but its just the way i feel.
If you disrespect an opponent it tends to bite you in the arse, I hope it does, to all the Sligo lads on here I hope you get the job done against a team that thinks they are a huge step up in class from ye.
shouldnt bite but your one contrary briar not happy windin up bingobus and gettin him to leave the site and here you go agin fightin to stay relevant in your ignorance in your bolt hole
doubt many here give a flying **** who your shoutin for behind that keyboard
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I got him to leave the site :D :D :D :D :D :D are you really that ignorant or just plain thick?
Is there anything wrong with me hoping Sligo win or having an opinion son?
Quote from: western exile on June 04, 2010, 08:11:29 PM
Quote from: stew on June 04, 2010, 07:51:06 PM
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In fairness its hard not to be disrepectful. It all comes down to pride. Mayo people expect to be one of the top teams in the country, so we expect to beat Sligo and win well. As they said its hard to swallow your pride. Maybe its unrealistic on my part, but its just the way i feel.
If you disrespect an opponent it tends to bite you in the arse, I hope it does, to all the Sligo lads on here I hope you get the job done against a team that thinks they are a huge step up in class from ye.
You better hope that Armagh don't meet Mayo later this year ;)
As long as it's in Croke Park in a meaningful game I think we will be grand. ;)
Mayo cant buy a win when it matters it seems.
Quote from: stew on June 04, 2010, 07:51:06 PM
In fairness its hard not to be disrepectful. It all comes down to pride. Mayo people expect to be one of the top teams in the country, so we expect to beat Sligo and win well. As they said its hard to swallow your pride. Maybe its unrealistic on my part, but its just the way i feel.
If you disrespect an opponent it tends to bite you in the arse, I hope it does, to all the Sligo lads on here I hope you get the job done against a
team that thinks they are a huge step up in class from ye.[/quote]
wow and you can pick up this vibe all the way from the us of a, your not uri geller by any chance . back to the match i expect a tough game tomorrow and hope we come out the right side of it . looking forward to the game and having a few pints with the sligo boys should be a good atmosphere lets hope we get a good game it cant be any worse the the shit* we have had to put up with the past few weeks
Quote from: small white mayoman on June 04, 2010, 09:33:48 PM
Quote from: stew on June 04, 2010, 07:51:06 PM
In fairness its hard not to be disrepectful. It all comes down to pride. Mayo people expect to be one of the top teams in the country, so we expect to beat Sligo and win well. As they said its hard to swallow your pride. Maybe its unrealistic on my part, but its just the way i feel.
If you disrespect an opponent it tends to bite you in the arse, I hope it does, to all the Sligo lads on here I hope you get the job done against a team that thinks they are a huge step up in class from ye.
wow and you can pick up this vibe all the way from the us of a, your not uri geller by any chance . back to the match i expect a tough game tomorrow and hope we come out the right side of it . looking forward to the game and having a few pints with the sligo boys should be a good atmosphere lets hope we get a good game it cant be any worse the the shit* we have had to put up with the past few weeks
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You are right and I was wrong, it is not the team that thinks that but it is the teams supporters, some of them at least.
Quote from: stew on June 04, 2010, 09:37:08 PM
Quote from: small white mayoman on June 04, 2010, 09:33:48 PM
Quote from: stew on June 04, 2010, 07:51:06 PM
In fairness its hard not to be disrepectful. It all comes down to pride. Mayo people expect to be one of the top teams in the country, so we expect to beat Sligo and win well. As they said its hard to swallow your pride. Maybe its unrealistic on my part, but its just the way i feel.
If you disrespect an opponent it tends to bite you in the arse, I hope it does, to all the Sligo lads on here I hope you get the job done against a team that thinks they are a huge step up in class from ye.
wow and you can pick up this vibe all the way from the us of a, your not uri geller by any chance . back to the match i expect a tough game tomorrow and hope we come out the right side of it . looking forward to the game and having a few pints with the sligo boys should be a good atmosphere lets hope we get a good game it cant be any worse the the shit* we have had to put up with the past few weeks
You are right and I was wrong, it is not the team that thinks that but it is the teams supporters, some of them at least.
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yeah some supporters do but sure every county has supporters like that and fair play to them for having such confindence in the team however a lot of mayo supporters are expecting a tough game tomorrow especially down in sligo , kevin walsh has sligo moving the right way , i'm hoping its a good tough tight game because thats what we need in connacht
Quote from: stew on June 04, 2010, 07:51:06 PM
In fairness its hard not to be disrepectful. It all comes down to pride. Mayo people expect to be one of the top teams in the country, so we expect to beat Sligo and win well. As they said its hard to swallow your pride. Maybe its unrealistic on my part, but its just the way i feel.
If you disrespect an opponent it tends to bite you in the arse, I hope it does, to all the Sligo lads on here I hope you get the job done against a team that thinks they are a huge step up in class from ye.
Bullshit.
I think you are very much OTT here.
First of all, the 'team;' neither the manager nor any of the players have ever said they regard tomorrow's game as a pushover or claim they are a step above Sligo in any way. Every indication is that they feel they will have a tough battle on their hands.
If you are referring to the posters here, you will find there are well over forty who have contributed and you'll be hard pushed to come up with a handful that are dismissive of Sligo's chances in any way.
If you are going by any banter between some of us and Sligonian, you really need to chill out. That fella is an icon in Mayo GAA circles and most of us would have withdrawal symptoms if he were absent from any Mayo-related thread for more than a day.
You can support whoever you damn well like and I doubt that anybody in Mayo would feel offended in any way but you could leave the sh*t stirring out of it.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 04, 2010, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: stew on June 04, 2010, 07:51:06 PM
In fairness its hard not to be disrepectful. It all comes down to pride. Mayo people expect to be one of the top teams in the country, so we expect to beat Sligo and win well. As they said its hard to swallow your pride. Maybe its unrealistic on my part, but its just the way i feel.
If you disrespect an opponent it tends to bite you in the arse, I hope it does, to all the Sligo lads on here I hope you get the job done against a team that thinks they are a huge step up in class from ye.
Bullshit.
I think you are very much OTT here.
First of all, the 'team;' neither the manager nor any of the players have ever said they regard tomorrow's game as a pushover or claim they are a step above Sligo in any way. Every indication is that they feel they will have a tough battle on their hands.
If you are referring to the posters here, you will find there are well over forty who have contributed and you'll be hard pushed to come up with a handful that are dismissive of Sligo's chances in any way.
If you are going by any banter between some of us and Sligonian, you really need to chill out. That fella is an icon in Mayo GAA circles and most of us would have withdrawal symptoms if he were absent from any Mayo-related thread for more than a day.
You can support whoever you damn well like and I doubt that anybody in Mayo would feel offended in any way but you could leave the sh*t stirring out of it.
My intention was not to offend Mayo people or anything else, I addresed the Sligo fans.
I was not shit stirring but I have in the past and I am getting away from that shite.
Sligonian is a legend, no doubt about that. ;D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 04, 2010, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: stew on June 04, 2010, 07:51:06 PM
In fairness its hard not to be disrepectful. It all comes down to pride. Mayo people expect to be one of the top teams in the country, so we expect to beat Sligo and win well. As they said its hard to swallow your pride. Maybe its unrealistic on my part, but its just the way i feel.
If you disrespect an opponent it tends to bite you in the arse, I hope it does, to all the Sligo lads on here I hope you get the job done against a team that thinks they are a huge step up in class from ye.
Bullshit.
I think you are very much OTT here.
First of all, the 'team;' neither the manager nor any of the players have ever said they regard tomorrow's game as a pushover or claim they are a step above Sligo in any way. Every indication is that they feel they will have a tough battle on their hands.
If you are referring to the posters here, you will find there are well over forty who have contributed and you'll be hard pushed to come up with a handful that are dismissive of Sligo's chances in any way.
If you are going by any banter between some of us and Sligonian, you really need to chill out. That fella is an icon in Mayo GAA circles and most of us would have withdrawal symptoms if he were absent from any Mayo-related thread for more than a day.You can support whoever you damn well like and I doubt that anybody in Mayo would feel offended in any way but you could leave the sh*t stirring out of it.
crikey larnap you should have a warning on your last post i nearly choked on my toasted ham and cheese sambo when i read sligonian and icon in the same paragraph :D
Quote from: stew on June 04, 2010, 10:18:55 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 04, 2010, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: stew on June 04, 2010, 07:51:06 PM
In fairness its hard not to be disrepectful. It all comes down to pride. Mayo people expect to be one of the top teams in the country, so we expect to beat Sligo and win well. As they said its hard to swallow your pride. Maybe its unrealistic on my part, but its just the way i feel.
If you disrespect an opponent it tends to bite you in the arse, I hope it does, to all the Sligo lads on here I hope you get the job done against a team that thinks they are a huge step up in class from ye.
Bullshit.
I think you are very much OTT here.
First of all, the 'team;' neither the manager nor any of the players have ever said they regard tomorrow's game as a pushover or claim they are a step above Sligo in any way. Every indication is that they feel they will have a tough battle on their hands.
If you are referring to the posters here, you will find there are well over forty who have contributed and you'll be hard pushed to come up with a handful that are dismissive of Sligo's chances in any way.
If you are going by any banter between some of us and Sligonian, you really need to chill out. That fella is an icon in Mayo GAA circles and most of us would have withdrawal symptoms if he were absent from any Mayo-related thread for more than a day.
You can support whoever you damn well like and I doubt that anybody in Mayo would feel offended in any way but you could leave the sh*t stirring out of it.
My intention was not to offend Mayo people or anything else, I addresed the Sligo fans.
I was not shit stirring but I have in the past and I am getting away from that shite.
Sligonian is a legend, no doubt about that. ;D
Stew : "Young people of Sligo......I laaauve you"
Longest wait for game ever now..8am and have to wait till 2am..jaysus. Lar, you not far off legend status yourself now!
QuoteI think everyone in Sligo is expecting a Sligo win, but unlike Mayo we are not expecting an easy game with winning pulling up by about 6-10 pts. Im expecting a 1pt win as JJJ with the winning point coming in the last 10 secs of injury time after a serious effort.
Sligo or Mayo to win by a point scored in the last 10 seconds of injury time would be long odds in a bookies. Surely you can't be serious in saying that is what you
expect to happen ? Fair enough that a player uses mental imagery to imagine every sort of positive scenario or a supporter day dreams of what they would like to see happen but i don't think anyone can rationally say they 'expect' your scenario to happen. Of course its possible time to consider logic and probability
And by the way ... to use the word
expect to win suggests an arrogance that you and others are accusing Mayo of. "I'd be confident of victory" or "i'd be fairly hopeful that we can win it" would certainly be more my type of tone when warranted .... as per tomorrow evening, based on no more than i feel Mayo are capable of playing the game at a slightly higher gear based on the experience of Div 1 football and also that the new faces are i feel made of the right stuff in terms of leadership, attitude, etc.
Quote from: stew on June 04, 2010, 10:18:55 PM
My intention was not to offend Mayo people or anything else, I addresed the Sligo fans.
I was not shit stirring but I have in the past and I am getting away from that shite.
Sligonian is a legend, no doubt about that. ;D
Fair enough, Stew; I have absolutely no problem with you supporting Sligo; I do it myself against all teams with the obvious exception of my beloved Mayo. But the same beloved Mayo are about as predictable as a baby's bum at present. They could bate Sligo up the N4 or they could just as easily lie down like sheep in a heap. I doubt that if many players feel they are a huge step above any side right now and certainly not against Sligo in Marky Park.
As for Sligonian, he deserves icon status. By his total and absolute devotion to his cause, he is outstanding in his field. (I hope he gets pissed on while he's standing out there but that's irrelevant,)
He also deserves icon status for his equally total and equally absolute contempt for all known forms of logic and probably all unknown ones as well.
The highest compliment I can pay him to rank him alongside Evil Genius, who merits both parts of his moniker, as my top 'must read' posters.
BTW, ballinaman, thank you very much for your kind compliment. Flattery will get you anywhere with me—as long as you don't come looking for a loan of course! ;D
Tried to stay outside the shyt stirring until now. With the game only a few hours away I thought I would throw my opinion in the ring.
In my opinion this game will come down to midfield and the sligo half back line. There are without doubt a lot of unanswered questions, Will Taylor and Gilmartin be able to hold their own or even win against a strong Mayo Midfileld?
Will Eamon Ohara play as a third midfielder, Is phillips ready to man mark and show us the ability he has, will Keelan Cawley be able to overcome the nerves and show the class he undoubtedly has?
Happy to see that Mayo are favouites as we always play better when considered the underdog. I hope it's a good game of football and that this new fistpass rule doesn't make a joke of the game as it has done for other games this year.
Kevin Walsh has done a great job and I hope this continues tomorrow. I'm expecting a fast paced, physiscal game with only a few points either way at the finish.
I will be watching from the US with my heart in my mouth, with a rake of Mayo boys. Good luck to Sligo tomorrow, I know ye will do us proud.
well another championsip year begins with a tough outing against sligo, can't get to the game what the feck are the gaa at having a game at 5 o'clock on a saturday evening. don't know what to expect . like some of the posters said its hard to see where the scores are going to come from up front as we don't have high scoring half forwards unless moran has a super day at the office then it depends on what sort of quality ball we get into the full forward line really hope the debautants settle in to the game.whoever is heading to the match have a great day out ,weather is super here at the moment hope it holds till this evening .
The word on the street last night was that Co. board had only moved 1800 tickets by close of business on Thursday evening. More worrying however Harte is out of this game entirely and probably Dillon too. Throw in Kilcoyne and Howley out and our bench is beginning to look a bit light.
Best of Luck to Sligo today. Got feck all sleep last night, visions of Ciaran McDonald coming on :P
Stew your support is most welcome, I hope plenty of neutrals today get behind Sligo whether it be in the Park or in the sitting room.
Jees are we going to learn alot today about Sligo, a day of many lessons. Safe journey to all fans coming to the game.
Sligeach abu..
Stew with the greatest of respect I couldn't give a shite who you support tonight. I'm sick and tired of hearing from other counties patronising shite that they would love to see Mayo win an All-Ireland. We don't want your pity. And we don't need it. Actually I'd prefer if every county hated us, it would be a sign we were removing our reputation as 'nice' footballers.
Looking forward to the game now, lovely day, this is championship, it is what its all about and there is a great sense of anticipation. Pity is that few enough Mayos talking about travelling. Croke Park defeat, JOMs ability to take the excitement out of everything and ticket prices all contribute. Mayo some misguided arrogance might too.
This, as I have said regularly, will go down to the wire. My info is Dillon will play SOME part. If he does, that will be of untold benefit. Like Muppet maybe the Green and Red mist may be descending but we may sneak this one. Only a few hours to find out. Up Mayo!
Match report will be on www.mayogaa.com within an hour of the final whistle in Markievicz Park. I won't commit to a time because that final whistle could be after extra time!
Quote from: Mayo GAA on June 05, 2010, 11:11:45 AM
Match report will be on www.mayogaa.com within an hour of the final whistle in Markievicz Park. I won't commit to a time because that final whistle could be after extra time!
Good to have county board representation on this board ;)
Its good for Mayo to have a few injuries. Some of their younger players will be severely tested in a bearpit today. They'll know a lot more about themselves tonight then if it was played in Castlebar. Mayo to win by 2-3 points.
Hoping for a good game today, i shall be watching it in a irish pub in Gothenburg so i might get distracted by the blonde girls ;) hard to pick a winner after looking at the line outs it might be a sub that win's this game
I'm sure Galway will be hoping for a Sligo win (meaning a home Semi)
Lovely sunny day here in Sligo which should lead to a good open game. As for game itself if we do reasonably well in middle third where mayo are strong we have a great chance. Time will tell. Enjoy the game
Green and red mist descending now.
Just leaving Castlebar.
C'mon Mayo!
Ready for the road. Looks like weather s taken a turn for the worst. Up Mayo.
Headin in the road shorly now myself. Want to see a bit of U-17 game and get a good barrier to lean on - win, lose or draw I think I'll need it! Would echo a lot of what the Sligo lads are saying here. Might not be the open game everyone is hoping for despite the conditions. Could be defensive and intense.
U17 development squads result Markievicz
Sligo 2.09
Mayo 1.10
So, another one gone. Barrett out with an illness. Gardiner back in, presumably Vaughan will drop to corner back.
is anybody watching the webcast, cannot connect
Quote from: joemamas on June 05, 2010, 04:39:28 PM
is anybody watching the webcast, cannot connect
Should be fine.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html)
Sligo playing against the breeze,brave decision.
there's a strong wind ... sligo win the toss ... decide to play against the wind ??? ??? ... somebody talk me through that
O'Hara appeared to be doing a good bit of mouthing during the start of the anthem, possibly wasn't happy with the call to play against the wind ...
And people say the Ulster championshp is bad. This is awful stuff
good call with playing against the breeze, should be an entertaining second half, two points to turn over
Quite a poor quality game, a lot of wides and not much intensity as of of yet!
Disagree MR ... commentator has said the breeze has died down. For the amount of possession Sligo have had, they should be winning, if they had the breeze with them in the first half i imagine that would be the case. Breeze could have died down completely by the time the 2nd half starts ... if you have the option use it when it's there
pretty brutal sfuff, Sligo look to want it more, but Mayo seem to have a little bit more class, especially up front, they play in the Sligo third of the field seems a little less laboured than Sligo's. Wind could be a factor.
Kicking by Mcgarrity and Trevor Mort is terrible.
Its tough going as we thought it would be. Sligo playing McGarrity a little bit cynically and there wasn't too much in that 'incident', probably should have been a yellow card alright.
Fair play to Freeman, he has done well after what must have been a sad enough week for him. Conor Mort going well also. Rest of the forwards haven't really got into it though.
I'd expect the second half to be more of the same, for whatever team wins this is just a case of trying to get the job done.
upon further reflection, while Sligo are doing okay out the field, difficult to see them scoring more than 11 or 12 points.
Sligo are well fit to win this if they keep plugging away.
Sligo on top now. Can they keep it up though.
Mortimer should have got a straight red there. Turned an led with the shoulder - Dangerous play no excuse for a yellow.
O Hara was fouled when attacking a min ago and got no free.
Mayo totally inept this evening.
Sligo have bossed them all over the pitch.
Costello is some reject !!!
Back door boys Mayo.
Hard to believe.
Quote from: brianboru00 on June 05, 2010, 06:17:42 PM
Mortimer should have got a straight red there. Turned an led with the shoulder - Dangerous play no excuse for a yellow.
O Hara was fouled when attacking a min ago and got no free.
In this day and ege lucky enough but would have been harsh.
Mc Garrity is much luckier over the 67 minutes he was on the field.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2010/0604/kevin_mcstay_gaa_preview.html
He's the man !
McGarrity was acting the maggot all day which is unlike him. John O maybe thinks he needs it in his game.
Andy Moran only Mayo man willing to battle. Shocking performance. Well apart from Freeman but he's been double teamed.
Costello looks a bit tubby but some player. Kelly is possibly the quickest player in the game at the minute too. Conor Mortimer has ability but can make an awful haims of things at times...
I'd like to have bet Galway for Connacht. ;)
Their odds will be well shortened now.
Bloody hell whats up with Mayo? Where is the hunger, pride, fight or game plan? They look a very poorly organised and motivated side. Shocking performance from them and how long now until the calls for JOM's head?
Thats not to take away from Sligo and Kevin Walsh. They are an absolute credit to their county and jersey. Huge performance from them and what odds now on them beating Leitrim and winning a Connaught title? They have been magnificent today.
I was looking forward to a trip to Castlebar too. :-[
Congrats to Sliggy. See ye in Salthill.
Thought Dublin had problems. Christ I don't know where Mayo go after that. I really don't. Excellent from Sligo people been very disingenuos as usual here. It takes a hell of a lot mentally to get over a hoodoo and Sligo have today.
Sligo were magnificent today.
Mayo were shocking bad but yet the commentators are still talking about Mayo winning the All Ireland.
Incredible !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Think Sligo aren't getting as much credit as they deserve here.
I have a sneaky feeling they'll be beating Galway too.
Well done Sligo. Mayo were the pits but that should not take away from a gutsy and skilful Sligo performance.
Well done Sligo.
Mayo to be still around come August!
Well done Sligo great performance and well worthy of their win. Some of the Mayo players look as if they have lost their appetite for the game and Its clear that Johnno no longer has anything to offer.
Congrats especially to Sligonian who clearly has shown he knows his football.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 05, 2010, 06:29:55 PM
McGarrity was acting the maggot all day which is unlike him. John O maybe thinks he needs it in his game.
Andy Moran only Mayo man willing to battle. Shocking performance. Well apart from Freeman but he's been double teamed.
Costello looks a bit tubby but some player. Kelly is possibly the quickest player in the game at the minute too. Conor Mortimer has ability but can make an awful haims of things at times...
He's not even the quickest player in Sligo!
Well done to them.
Those two points with the outside of the boot by Costello were inspirational.
Who's quicker?
(You'll probably say the no 7...)
Fair play to Sligo, they won it comfortably enough. They need to make hay now while the sun shines, because they have the right mix of you and experience now and they'll only have that for the next year or two. I don't think they have much more to come through. Hope they go on and win Connacht after this, but playing outside Sligo will be more difficult.
Mayo were missing a lot of leaders through injury today, but there should still have been enough to do a lot better than that. Midfield was a disaster, McGarrity poor, Parsons clearly still hasn't got the necessary kick up the hole and O'Shea didn't show at all. With no posession we never had much chance up front.
You'd have to wonder how O'Mahony spent half a year building a team in the league and then put out such a different one in the championship. I know there were injuries but it was still crazy stuff. The hell with the league, he should have been trying out options and he didn't, he played the same team week in week out and found out too late that they weren't up to it.
Brilliant performance by Sligo. Some of the point taking was as good as you'll see anywhere, and showed tremendous pride and spirit in the jersey. Mayo look a tired team. They have no forwards and great white hopes like AOS, not on for long granted, have gone back a lot. Even when they had chances to shoot on sight, they were more intent on a lateral pass, or kicked with no conviction apart from one great effort by Andy Moran. They will have to bring in new talent in the qualifiers from a series of decent minor teams and see what they can unearth. I think Sligo will beat Galway and will meet Ros - no disrespect to Leitrim who will run Ros close - in a Connacht final.
Well done Sligo. Won this one with style and were well in control.
Important they get feet back on the ground fast, Mayo look disorganised and lacking in hunger.
Alot of journeys to empty wells seems to have got to them.
The Back door could be a savour or burrier of this Mayo group.
Anyone that thinks the qualifiers will be the salvation of this Mayo team is a fool.
Yes, they might get a weak team in the first round or two, but they're only one tough game away from going out.
What a poor team they looked again today. It shows that the league is completely irrelevent when it comes to assessing the championship. All those league wins for Mayo mean nothing today.
The league final defeat to Cork, and then that shambles today. What on earth does O'Mahony spend his time doing with these people.
Let's not take anything away from Sligo today. They were the hungrier team and fully deserved their win. For me, the Connacht Final will be in Salthill in 3 weeks, because if Sligo can replicate that display from today, they'll be well capable of rattling Galway.
Surely O'Mahony is now only holding on to his job by the knob on the back door.
What great team spirit this Sligo team have under Kevin Walsh. Well deserved victory and what a contrast to Mayo. Where do I begin? We descended into a rabble once Sligo hit the front. No leadership on or off the field. Sligo weren't long shoring up the threat posed by Alan Freeman by playing OHara as a sweeper but compare that to JOM leaving Donal Vaughan on Kelly for the whole match. This has to be the last straw for Johnno and probably some of the senior players as well. I could not pick a team that we would be confident of beating in the qualifiers and that is some fall from grace in the space of two months.
QuoteI could not pick a team that we would be confident of beating in the qualifiers
I could...... :-\
Fantastic stuff, well done Sligo!
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 05, 2010, 07:10:10 PM
QuoteI could not pick a team that we would be confident of beating in the qualifiers
I could...... :-\
We are totally disorganised and lacking in confidence. Those two factors alone would give any 15 players plucked from the nearest pub a chance of beating us.
Quote from: Chimley on June 05, 2010, 07:16:33 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 05, 2010, 07:10:10 PM
QuoteI could not pick a team that we would be confident of beating in the qualifiers
I could...... :-\
We are totally disorganised and lacking in confidence. Those two factors alone would give any 15 players plucked from the nearest pub a chance of beating us.
Sorry that might come across as belittling Sligos great performance today and it was not intended that way. I think todays defeat on top of the league final saw the wheels come off big time and at the end there was no fight left in this team.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on June 05, 2010, 05:41:23 PM
Disagree MR ... commentator has said the breeze has died down. For the amount of possession Sligo have had, they should be winning, if they had the breeze with them in the first half i imagine that would be the case. Breeze could have died down completely by the time the 2nd half starts ... if you have the option use it when it's there
::) ::)
Well done sligo always great to see the underdog win, well deserved victory outplayed mayo in 2nd half!
well done to sligo the hungrier and better team
comparing there style organisation and hunger to ours shows up 4 years of team building as an utter shambles
hate to say it but if anyone else in charge other than o mahony hed be given road long time ago
plenty of ball players in the county mayo all we expect is someone to maximise our potential
Brilliant result altogether, fair play to Sligo, this win will give them all the confidence i the world and they will be hard to stop going forward.
Mayo are a class act but it will be hard for them to pick themselves up after this result.
Quote from: orangeman on June 05, 2010, 06:22:30 PM
Mayo totally inept this evening.
Sligo have bossed them all over the pitch.
Costello is some reject !!!
Back door boys Mayo.
Hard to believe.
Not hard to believe at all. Mayo class act you say stew, oh I wish. I don't know what to say as I've said it all before time and again. Honestly, no leadership out there today from a Mayo perspective anyway, backs poor, midfield useless, forwards useless. And then O'Mahony brings on BJP! I think that says it all.
Congrats to Sligo though, have to say you have fine footballers and I wonder why I got sucked into any kind of blind optimism at all. I suppose you have to when following a team like Mayo.
congrats to sligo on their well deseved win today best team by a mile won , thought the two mayo men for sligo were brilliant ;) we just were not at the races seemed to me that we had no game plan only pump the ball in high and after that nothing fair play to walsh and sligo they had this sussed after 10 minutes and dropped o 'hara back to win they ball and after that were not really in trouble in the backs back contrast this to what o mahony did in relation to vauaghan on kelly surely some one else should have been put on kelly who was out standing instead of leaving vaughan on him for the full game. surely at this stage we should be allowed to question o mahony and his management skills? its time to to call a spade a spade he is just not up to it any more and has been living on his past reputation , of course the players have a lot to answer for they looked completely dead on their feet the last 20 minutes why was this ? has any one been working one on one with aidan o'shea like cork did with aiske o'halpin surely he needs to be nutured his confidence must be shattered . and i don't want to hear that this is an old team THIS IS O MAHONYS TEAM and unlike other managers who he was only to willing to have a go at they don't seem to want to play for him why is this.however i suppose he has another year to manage mayo or at least untill the election is over :( >:(
Just back from the game. Absolutely clueless both players and management. Sligo bossed us all over the pitch apart from full forward where Freeman was having a field day until they stopped sending the ball into him. Subs introduced far too late in the game. Midfield and half forward line was a disgrace with Mort and Parsons particularly to the fore here. He may be captain but he proved yet again today that he shouldn't be playing intercounty football. Parsons looked like he was playing a training game.
Fair play to Sligo though. They minimised the impact of our half backs and won the individual battles all over the pitch.
Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 05, 2010, 06:36:45 PM
Well done Sligo great performance and well worthy of their win. Some of the Mayo players look as if they have lost their appetite for the game and Its clear that Johnno no longer has anything to offer.
Congrats especially to Sligonian who clearly has shown he knows his football.
I think that's fair comment and I hope the queue of people who were so keen to belittle him man up and admit they were way off beam.
Good performance from Sligo. The two sweepers made the first half hard to watch for the neutral but it was a necessary move for Sligo. When we went back man to man for the second half our lads knew we had them for the taking. Jimmy White did his best but even his considerable help wasn't enough for Mayo. In a funny was he did us a favour as if we'd got fair play we might have won by 7 to 10 which would made it twice as hard to keep the feet on the ground. While we played well there's still a lot to work on if we're to beat Galway in Salthill but again we'll go into it with no fear. Very proud of the lads and especially my two club mates today. Costello let his football do the talking when it mattered most. You don't get through 70 minutes like that if you're "a bit tubby" as someone said. As for Keelan - looked like he was there for years.
This result was not a shock though despite what the ill-informed media guys who make money from rubbish say.
Will post more later, going for a few panadol now. Louth just completed my clean sweep of bets today!
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on June 05, 2010, 08:30:44 PM
Just back from the game. Absolutely clueless both players and management. Sligo bossed us all over the pitch apart from full forward where Freeman was having a field day until they stopped sending the ball into him. Subs introduced far too late in the game. Midfield and half forward line was a disgrace with Mort and Parsons particularly to the fore here. He may be captain but he proved yet again today that he shouldn't be playing intercounty football. Parsons looked like he was playing a training game.
Fair play to Sligo though. They minimised the impact of our half backs and won the individual battles all over the pitch.
Just back from the game, well done to Sligo, no amount of Skill can match desire, hunger, teamwork and a willingless to put the hand in to win the hard ball. Not on to our lads, this team lacked all of the above. The lack of desire and leadership was stark. We in Mayo talk about leadership, this team have played more high profile games for both clubs and county at all levels, this shound nurture natural leadership skills but yet again all our experienced men hid away, our midfielders and our captain especially. Mayo tonight were not a team lacking a large number of players through injury, we should have enough to have won this game. As for the backdoor, i'd say most of these lads would rather be relaxing for the summer now. Ffs if we have forwards kicking balls in to a goalkeepers hands from 30 yards out, we do we start. This Mayo horse along with its managment team should either be sent to the glue factory or out to pasture, either way it will be al ong summer. One of the most disapointing results over the past 10 years. I wonder will the Mayo News print the photo of the Mayo team on Tuesday?
Well done Sligo. Played with great hunger and won easily. They ll have to wait for another day to see how good they are because they were given no type of test at all today. I m not surprised by our performance and even worse I m not even disappointed. I m just angry this set-up has been allowed to fester on. It s been a wasted four years. This should have been nipped in the bud long ago. The best that this team can hope for now is a quick clean death the next day, at a venue far, far away with few witnesses.
There ll be no back door run for us. When a team is only 2 points down with 20 minutes to go but still obviously going to loose there are more problems than a few changes and a few weeks can change. It was obvious today that Mayo had no stomach for it after 15 mins when they realised that it would take more than a lively start to win. A pathetic display. And his holiness's ramblings in the press conference afterwards said it all really. Loads of posturing - nothing of substance. A smoke screen of words. Damn it, even if he sounded angry it would be something. This team had lost the supporters before today but I m angry the jersey has become a joke and ridiculed even within football strongholds within the county. The board will now be ruminating about loans and no game in Castlebar this year. As regards funding to train the county team next year. The manager will want to start practicing making sandwiches himself. I would nt like to be getting the clubs to sell board tickets next year.
Well done Sligo, great performance. If Sligo can replicate that next time, Galway will have to play to a high level to get past them
Quote from: moysider on June 05, 2010, 09:00:52 PM
Well done Sligo. Played with great hunger and won easily. They ll have to wait for another day to see how good they are because they were given no type of test at all today. I m not surprised by our performance and even worse I m not even disappointed. I m just angry this set-up has been allowed to fester on. It s been a wasted four years. This should have been nipped in the bud long ago. The best that this team can hope for now is a quick clean death the next day, at a venue far, far away with few witnesses.
There ll be no back door run for us. When a team is only 2 points down with 20 minutes to go but still obviously going to loose there are more problems than a few changes and a few weeks can change. It was obvious today that Mayo had no stomach for it after 15 mins when they realised that it would take more than a lively start to win. A pathetic display. And his holiness's ramblings in the press conference afterwards said it all really. Loads of posturing - nothing of substance. A smoke screen of words. Damn it, even if he sounded angry it would be something. This team had lost the supporters before today but I m angry the jersey has become a joke and ridiculed even within football strongholds within the county. The board will now be ruminating about loans and no game in Castlebar this year. As regards funding to train the county team next year. The manager will want to start practicing making sandwiches himself. I would nt like to be getting the clubs to sell board tickets next year.
was there much mayo support there today moysider ?
Quote from: moysider on June 05, 2010, 09:00:52 PM
Well done Sligo. Played with great hunger and won easily. They ll have to wait for another day to see how good they are because they were given no type of test at all today. I m not surprised by our performance and even worse I m not even disappointed. I m just angry this set-up has been allowed to fester on. It s been a wasted four years. This should have been nipped in the bud long ago. The best that this team can hope for now is a quick clean death the next day, at a venue far, far away with few witnesses.
There ll be no back door run for us. When a team is only 2 points down with 20 minutes to go but still obviously going to loose there are more problems than a few changes and a few weeks can change. It was obvious today that Mayo had no stomach for it after 15 mins when they realised that it would take more than a lively start to win. A pathetic display. And his holiness's ramblings in the press conference afterwards said it all really. Loads of posturing - nothing of substance. A smoke screen of words. Damn it, even if he sounded angry it would be something. This team had lost the supporters before today but I m angry the jersey has become a joke and ridiculed even within football strongholds within the county. The board will now be ruminating about loans and no game in Castlebar this year. As regards funding to train the county team next year. The manager will want to start practicing making sandwiches himself. I would nt like to be getting the clubs to sell board tickets next year.
Yeah, the white elephant development stand took a shake today! Hard to believe peolpe spent so much money on a development that over caters for our county team.
You are right the clubs will have to pick up the loss. Only advantage for county board is they will not have any county team expenses in a couple weeks time.
Well done and fairfuckingplay to Sligo for a thoroughly deserved victory.
Ill echo what other posters have said and say Sligo stood up to be counted today by showing hunger and belief and showing they were the better team.
Mayo lacked leadership all over the field and ill hold off before I go lambasting of some players after their performance today.
Off the field we lacked leadership too, as was previously mentioned the changes came far too late, and when they did come they were pathetic.
BJP for Seamus O Shea? FFS thats a joke. A guy who joins the panel 3 weeks ago gets thrown in for someone who wasnt doing all that bad.
The problem was we had no ideas after O Hara played as an extra defender, we needed to change the FF line, SOS was hauled ashore needlessly.
Conroy for McGarity (as poor as he was) was a terrible decision as McG was our only aerial threat.
JOM doesnt have a clue.
Ill post more thoughts on individual performances later.
Do people think Cuinneffe answered any of his critics today?
FFS, 43 clubs in the county and we choose him as our centre back even though he played about 3 club games in the last year and did dam all besides in the last 2 and a half.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 05, 2010, 09:09:53 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 05, 2010, 09:00:52 PM
Well done Sligo. Played with great hunger and won easily. They ll have to wait for another day to see how good they are because they were given no type of test at all today. I m not surprised by our performance and even worse I m not even disappointed. I m just angry this set-up has been allowed to fester on. It s been a wasted four years. This should have been nipped in the bud long ago. The best that this team can hope for now is a quick clean death the next day, at a venue far, far away with few witnesses.
There ll be no back door run for us. When a team is only 2 points down with 20 minutes to go but still obviously going to loose there are more problems than a few changes and a few weeks can change. It was obvious today that Mayo had no stomach for it after 15 mins when they realised that it would take more than a lively start to win. A pathetic display. And his holiness's ramblings in the press conference afterwards said it all really. Loads of posturing - nothing of substance. A smoke screen of words. Damn it, even if he sounded angry it would be something. This team had lost the supporters before today but I m angry the jersey has become a joke and ridiculed even within football strongholds within the county. The board will now be ruminating about loans and no game in Castlebar this year. As regards funding to train the county team next year. The manager will want to start practicing making sandwiches himself. I would nt like to be getting the clubs to sell board tickets next year.
Yeah, the white elephant development stand took a shake today! Hard to believe peolpe spent so much money on a development that over caters for our county team.
You are right the clubs will have to pick up the loss. Only advantage for county board is they will not have any county team expenses in a couple weeks time.
The county board loses nearly 100k by not having the Connacht final in McHale park.
If the knives are not out of the drawer for JOM ill be shocked.
Noel Connelly could be brought straight in
Watched the game on tv in London and it didn't look good there either. Mayo piss poor all over the park, agree with comments about t mortimer but he wasn't the only one. i hope we get loser of Cork v Kerry in qualifiers and the put the dying dog out of its misery. As for JOM not sure the all those challenge matches did us any good at all, Mayo looked drained of energy as the match went on, we were second to every ball. Do other counties play so many challenge matches? Are they instead of or in addition to training? Either way its clearly not working.
Fair play to Sligo you were the better team, defence was very good especially in second half and the forwards took there points when they came.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 05, 2010, 09:07:03 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 05, 2010, 09:00:52 PM
Well done Sligo. Played with great hunger and won easily. They ll have to wait for another day to see how good they are because they were given no type of test at all today. I m not surprised by our performance and even worse I m not even disappointed. I m just angry this set-up has been allowed to fester on. It s been a wasted four years. This should have been nipped in the bud long ago. The best that this team can hope for now is a quick clean death the next day, at a venue far, far away with few witnesses.
There ll be no back door run for us. When a team is only 2 points down with 20 minutes to go but still obviously going to loose there are more problems than a few changes and a few weeks can change. It was obvious today that Mayo had no stomach for it after 15 mins when they realised that it would take more than a lively start to win. A pathetic display. And his holiness's ramblings in the press conference afterwards said it all really. Loads of posturing - nothing of substance. A smoke screen of words. Damn it, even if he sounded angry it would be something. This team had lost the supporters before today but I m angry the jersey has become a joke and ridiculed even within football strongholds within the county. The board will now be ruminating about loans and no game in Castlebar this year. As regards funding to train the county team next year. The manager will want to start practicing making sandwiches himself. I would nt like to be getting the clubs to sell board tickets next year.
was there much mayo support there today moysider ?
Out of a total attendance of 13 something I would say less that 5,000 anyway. Quietest welcome for a Mayo team onto a championship I ever recall. The players performance reflected the lack of enthusiasm. at no stage did the crowd even attempt to get behind the team. Well this is what Johnno wanted after all. It s backfired big time. Once even middling Mayo team would respond to the crowd and try and kick on anyway.
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 05, 2010, 09:21:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 05, 2010, 09:09:53 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 05, 2010, 09:00:52 PM
Well done Sligo. Played with great hunger and won easily. They ll have to wait for another day to see how good they are because they were given no type of test at all today. I m not surprised by our performance and even worse I m not even disappointed. I m just angry this set-up has been allowed to fester on. It s been a wasted four years. This should have been nipped in the bud long ago. The best that this team can hope for now is a quick clean death the next day, at a venue far, far away with few witnesses.
There ll be no back door run for us. When a team is only 2 points down with 20 minutes to go but still obviously going to loose there are more problems than a few changes and a few weeks can change. It was obvious today that Mayo had no stomach for it after 15 mins when they realised that it would take more than a lively start to win. A pathetic display. And his holiness's ramblings in the press conference afterwards said it all really. Loads of posturing - nothing of substance. A smoke screen of words. Damn it, even if he sounded angry it would be something. This team had lost the supporters before today but I m angry the jersey has become a joke and ridiculed even within football strongholds within the county. The board will now be ruminating about loans and no game in Castlebar this year. As regards funding to train the county team next year. The manager will want to start practicing making sandwiches himself. I would nt like to be getting the clubs to sell board tickets next year.
Yeah, the white elephant development stand took a shake today! Hard to believe peolpe spent so much money on a development that over caters for our county team.
You are right the clubs will have to pick up the loss. Only advantage for county board is they will not have any county team expenses in a couple weeks time.
The county board loses nearly 100k by not having the Connacht final in McHale park.
If the knives are not out of the drawer for JOM ill be shocked.
Noel Connelly could be brought straight in
sure who will question him abbeysider the local press won't say a bad word about him sure he is rebuilding for the future , he is doing the best with what he has got blah blah blah blah blah
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 05, 2010, 09:27:28 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 05, 2010, 09:21:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 05, 2010, 09:09:53 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 05, 2010, 09:00:52 PM
Well done Sligo. Played with great hunger and won easily. They ll have to wait for another day to see how good they are because they were given no type of test at all today. I m not surprised by our performance and even worse I m not even disappointed. I m just angry this set-up has been allowed to fester on. It s been a wasted four years. This should have been nipped in the bud long ago. The best that this team can hope for now is a quick clean death the next day, at a venue far, far away with few witnesses.
There ll be no back door run for us. When a team is only 2 points down with 20 minutes to go but still obviously going to loose there are more problems than a few changes and a few weeks can change. It was obvious today that Mayo had no stomach for it after 15 mins when they realised that it would take more than a lively start to win. A pathetic display. And his holiness's ramblings in the press conference afterwards said it all really. Loads of posturing - nothing of substance. A smoke screen of words. Damn it, even if he sounded angry it would be something. This team had lost the supporters before today but I m angry the jersey has become a joke and ridiculed even within football strongholds within the county. The board will now be ruminating about loans and no game in Castlebar this year. As regards funding to train the county team next year. The manager will want to start practicing making sandwiches himself. I would nt like to be getting the clubs to sell board tickets next year.
Yeah, the white elephant development stand took a shake today! Hard to believe peolpe spent so much money on a development that over caters for our county team.
You are right the clubs will have to pick up the loss. Only advantage for county board is they will not have any county team expenses in a couple weeks time.
The county board loses nearly 100k by not having the Connacht final in McHale park.
If the knives are not out of the drawer for JOM ill be shocked.
Noel Connelly could be brought straight in
sure who will question him abbeysider the local press won't say a bad word about him sure he is rebuilding for the future , he is doing the best with what he has got blah blah blah blah blah
Take it from me Deel, neither the local press, county board or supporters are not that naive to believe that shite from JOM.
Id say there will be serious questions asked this week, JOM is in deep water
Freeman is a plus though. First Mayo forward I've seen in a long time bar CMCD who is top class. Only bright spot for Mayo. never hid but starved of ball. Then they shift him out the pitch to make way for AOS- barmy or what?
Quote from: chrissears on June 05, 2010, 09:24:51 PM
Watched the game on tv in London and it didn't look good there either. Mayo piss poor all over the park, agree with comments about t mortimer but he wasn't the only one. i hope we get loser of Cork v Kerry in qualifiers and the put the dying dog out of its misery. As for JOM not sure the all those challenge matches did us any good at all, Mayo looked drained of energy as the match went on, we were second to every ball. Do other counties play so many challenge matches? Are they instead of or in addition to training? Either way its clearly not working.
Fair play to Sligo you were the better team, defence was very good especially in second half and the forwards took there points when they came.
It was mental thing. It was so obvious there was no appetite for this at all. There is a smell of death about us from 15 mins in. The same players making the same old mistakes. A friend of mine decided to beat the traffic back to Dublin - 15 minutes into second haf. We were only 2 points down but it may as well have been 22. We were fucked and the players knew it. We were obviously shot through even then. I wont even bother starting about subs and tactics. As regards changes for the next day. Wont matter because the culture in this set up is not right. Ok this summer is fucked as well. We can let Johnno go down with the ship or we can give the players a chance to show what they re made of in the next game.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 05, 2010, 09:33:35 PM
Freeman is a plus though. First Mayo forward I've seen in a long time bar CMCD who is top class. Only bright spot for Mayo. never hid but starved of ball. Then they shift him out the pitch to make way for AOS- barmy or what?
Himself and Andy Moran were the only Mayo players that really stood up. To say he is in the same league as CMCD or the likes might be premature but I liked what I saw today from Freeman.
You see O Hara was playing as an extra defender so it was hard to find Freeman with long balls. In fact O Hara seemed to come out with it so it was pointless kicking it into Freeman on his own vs two defenders.
Aidan O Shea should have come on sooner and replaced Varley who never settled. That change was made far too late
Doesn't matter a f**k who manages Mayo, we are and always will be a soft flakey team, when we come up against a problem, wee pass the buck and our so called leaders hide away hoping some one else will take on the tough challenge. There is a reason we haven't won an All Ireland in a lifetime and its not all down to managers. JOM has to go no doubt, and bring some of our hollow heros with him. Again last week we have articles in Newspapers from the same players, things have changed, different attitude blah, blah,blah, get the f**k out of the way and let players who might not have the silky skills but will give 100%. Thats all we the supporters ask for, now thats not too much is it? As for the money issues and the county board, good enough for them, just puits the tin hat on it really.
Quote from: moysider on June 05, 2010, 09:25:39 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 05, 2010, 09:07:03 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 05, 2010, 09:00:52 PM
Well done Sligo. Played with great hunger and won easily. They ll have to wait for another day to see how good they are because they were given no type of test at all today. I m not surprised by our performance and even worse I m not even disappointed. I m just angry this set-up has been allowed to fester on. It s been a wasted four years. This should have been nipped in the bud long ago. The best that this team can hope for now is a quick clean death the next day, at a venue far, far away with few witnesses.
There ll be no back door run for us. When a team is only 2 points down with 20 minutes to go but still obviously going to loose there are more problems than a few changes and a few weeks can change. It was obvious today that Mayo had no stomach for it after 15 mins when they realised that it would take more than a lively start to win. A pathetic display. And his holiness's ramblings in the press conference afterwards said it all really. Loads of posturing - nothing of substance. A smoke screen of words. Damn it, even if he sounded angry it would be something. This team had lost the supporters before today but I m angry the jersey has become a joke and ridiculed even within football strongholds within the county. The board will now be ruminating about loans and no game in Castlebar this year. As regards funding to train the county team next year. The manager will want to start practicing making sandwiches himself. I would nt like to be getting the clubs to sell board tickets next year.
was there much mayo support there today moysider ?
Out of a total attendance of 13 something I would say less that 5,000 anyway. Quietest welcome for a Mayo team onto a championship I ever recall. The players performance reflected the lack of enthusiasm. at no stage did the crowd even attempt to get behind the team. Well this is what Johnno wanted after all. It s backfired big time. Once even middling Mayo team would respond to the crowd and try and kick on anyway.
well it looks like he succeeded it quenching the expectations of the mayo supporters the amount of people that i know that have lost interst in the County team is unreal . apart from that then we have the white elephant that is mc hale park where he still have not payed a floodlight match yet and they can't even build a pressbox without upsetting the whole of the ressidents not too mention playing senior club semi and finals in a empty mc hale park . mayo football is in deep deep trouble
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 05, 2010, 09:39:28 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 05, 2010, 09:33:35 PM
Freeman is a plus though. First Mayo forward I've seen in a long time bar CMCD who is top class. Only bright spot for Mayo. never hid but starved of ball. Then they shift him out the pitch to make way for AOS- barmy or what?
Himself and Andy Moran were the only Mayo players that really stood up. To say he is in the same league as CMCD or the likes might be premature but I liked what I saw today from Freeman.
You see O Hara was playing as an extra defender so it was hard to find Freeman with long balls. In fact O Hara seemed to come out with it so it was pointless kicking it into Freeman on his own vs two defenders.
Aidan O Shea should have come on sooner and replaced Varley who never settled. That change was made far too late
Freeman has pace though. Could have directed balls into the corner -you needed him on the ball. Moran was good too. C Mortimer started well but went missing as usual when the game was in the melting pot. That defeat will be hard to recover from.
A very enjoyable game.
Guts and glory for Sligo.
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on June 05, 2010, 09:44:47 PM
Doesn't matter a f**k who manages Mayo, we are and always will be a soft flakey team, when we come up against a problem, wee pass the buck and our so called leaders hide away hoping some one else will take on the tough challenge. There is a reason we haven't won an All Ireland in a lifetime and its not donw to managers. JOM has to go no doubt, and bring some of our hollow heros with him. Again last week we are articles in Newspapers from some players, things have changed, different attitude blah, blah,blah, get the f**k out of the way and let players who might not have the silky skills but will give 100%. Thats all we the supporters ask for, now thats not too much is it. As for the money issues and the county board, good enough for them, just puits the tin hat on it really.
didn't see too many players with silky skills out there today an gaelgoir sure o' mahony does not want those type players
As a poster who defended JOM here on a good few occassions it would appear I got it wrong. Not withstanding the abject performances of many players JOM looked clueless himself and Mayo are obviously not very well coached. In saying that I would drop a good number of those lads off the panel altogether as the likes of Parsons and T. Mort have proved that they aren't up to this level.
Quote from: Zulu on June 05, 2010, 09:49:37 PM
As a poster who defended JOM here on a good few occassions it would appear I got it wrong. Not withstanding the abject performances of many players JOM looked clueless himself and Mayo are obviously not very well coached. In saying that I would drop a good number of those lads off the panel altogether as the likes of Parsons and T. Mort have proved that they aren't up to this level.
i was waiting to see what your view of mahony was today zulu and whether you would defend him or not thankfully you haven't
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 05, 2010, 09:49:20 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on June 05, 2010, 09:44:47 PM
Doesn't matter a f**k who manages Mayo, we are and always will be a soft flakey team, when we come up against a problem, wee pass the buck and our so called leaders hide away hoping some one else will take on the tough challenge. There is a reason we haven't won an All Ireland in a lifetime and its not donw to managers. JOM has to go no doubt, and bring some of our hollow heros with him. Again last week we are articles in Newspapers from some players, things have changed, different attitude blah, blah,blah, get the f**k out of the way and let players who might not have the silky skills but will give 100%. Thats all we the supporters ask for, now thats not too much is it. As for the money issues and the county board, good enough for them, just puits the tin hat on it really.
didn't see too many players with silky skills out there today an gaelgoir sure o' mahony does not want those type players
Fair point about the silky skills! :D
Quote from: moysider on June 05, 2010, 09:25:39 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 05, 2010, 09:07:03 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 05, 2010, 09:00:52 PM
Well done Sligo. Played with great hunger and won easily. They ll have to wait for another day to see how good they are because they were given no type of test at all today. I m not surprised by our performance and even worse I m not even disappointed. I m just angry this set-up has been allowed to fester on. It s been a wasted four years. This should have been nipped in the bud long ago. The best that this team can hope for now is a quick clean death the next day, at a venue far, far away with few witnesses.
There ll be no back door run for us. When a team is only 2 points down with 20 minutes to go but still obviously going to loose there are more problems than a few changes and a few weeks can change. It was obvious today that Mayo had no stomach for it after 15 mins when they realised that it would take more than a lively start to win. A pathetic display. And his holiness's ramblings in the press conference afterwards said it all really. Loads of posturing - nothing of substance. A smoke screen of words. Damn it, even if he sounded angry it would be something. This team had lost the supporters before today but I m angry the jersey has become a joke and ridiculed even within football strongholds within the county. The board will now be ruminating about loans and no game in Castlebar this year. As regards funding to train the county team next year. The manager will want to start practicing making sandwiches himself. I would nt like to be getting the clubs to sell board tickets next year.
was there much mayo support there today moysider ?
Out of a total attendance of 13 something I would say less that 5,000 anyway. Quietest welcome for a Mayo team onto a championship I ever recall. The players performance reflected the lack of enthusiasm. at no stage did the crowd even attempt to get behind the team. Well this is what Johnno wanted after all. It s backfired big time. Once even middling Mayo team would respond to the crowd and try and kick on anyway.
we were seriously out numbered where we were would be surprised if 5k mayos in it sad day when even the loyals dont travel heard last might co board had shifted well under 2k tickets
therell be a kick in this team yet but probably be agin some poor auld team even in a worse state than us paupers
the only solution i can see to the whole sorry mess is to keep drinking
over and out goodnight irene
You couldn't defend that DR but I think the players have a lot to answer for as well. Plenty of bad wides or short balls and awful performances from far too many lads. As bad as JOM's performance was today I'm not sure any manager in the country would want to work with those players. Ah I don't know, there was so much wrong with it all it's hard to make sense of it.
Well done Sligo btw, I hope you go on and win it now. A great performance from ye.
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on June 05, 2010, 09:44:47 PM
Doesn't matter a f**k who manages Mayo, we are and always will be a soft flakey team, when we come up against a problem, wee pass the buck and our so called leaders hide away hoping some one else will take on the tough challenge. There is a reason we haven't won an All Ireland in a lifetime and its not all down to managers. JOM has to go no doubt, and bring some of our hollow heros with him. Again last week we have articles in Newspapers from the same players, things have changed, different attitude blah, blah,blah, get the f**k out of the way and let players who might not have the silky skills but will give 100%. Thats all we the supporters ask for, now thats not too much is it? As for the money issues and the county board, good enough for them, just puits the tin hat on it really.
Of course it matters who manages the team. O Mahoney got rid of leaders and players with an edge because he likes to be the main man himself it would appear. I d say a lot of our players tonight are only concerned that they re not dropped the next game. There is no culture to encourage players to take more responsibility - only to hide. We look a bet down nannied team. Management talk about leadership but it s just old rhetoric. Leaders have to be picked first of all and then encouraged. Before this game I thought we had a few leaders or at least pretended to be trying to lead. Clarkey, Keith, Andy and Dillon. We need more than that.No leader in the spine of the team after 4 years of rebuilding. Some mess we re in. I mainly agree with you though.
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 05, 2010, 08:32:31 PM
Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 05, 2010, 06:36:45 PM
Well done Sligo great performance and well worthy of their win. Some of the Mayo players look as if they have lost their appetite for the game and Its clear that Johnno no longer has anything to offer.
Congrats especially to Sligonian who clearly has shown he knows his football.
I think that's fair comment and I hope the queue of people who were so keen to belittle him man up and admit they were way off beam.
Good performance from Sligo. The two sweepers made the first half hard to watch for the neutral but it was a necessary move for Sligo. When we went back man to man for the second half our lads knew we had them for the taking. Jimmy White did his best but even his considerable help wasn't enough for Mayo. In a funny was he did us a favour as if we'd got fair play we might have won by 7 to 10 which would made it twice as hard to keep the feet on the ground. While we played well there's still a lot to work on if we're to beat Galway in Salthill but again we'll go into it with no fear. Very proud of the lads and especially my two club mates today. Costello let his football do the talking when it mattered most. You don't get through 70 minutes like that if you're "a bit tubby" as someone said. As for Keelan - looked like he was there for years.
This result was not a shock though despite what the ill-informed media guys who make money from rubbish say.
Will post more later, going for a few panadol now. Louth just completed my clean sweep of bets today!
Great post seanie, I be talking to sligonian from time to time and he is as passionate a man about his county as you will ever meet, he also contributes a great deal of money to the cause and I will never hear a bad word about him, i am especially happy for him today, he must be very proud.
That said Mayo scare me, they are down but not out, if they get a couple of wins under thier belt i would dread meeting them, they have the ability to destroy you but for now it seems they lack the belief in themselves and the system they employ.
You don't become a bad manager overnight, JOM will learn from this and i hope he is given time to right the ship, the talent is there, the belief is not and the manager cant make one iota of difference once the game starts, the players have to be accountable just as much as the management team and I think people on here miss that point to a degree.
Quote from: Zulu on June 05, 2010, 09:59:43 PM
You couldn't defend that DR but I think the players have a lot to answer for as well. Plenty of bad wides or short balls and awful performances from far too many lads. As bad as JOM's performance was today I'm not sure any manager in the country would want to work with those players. Ah I don't know, there was so much wrong with it all it's hard to make sense of it.
Well done Sligo btw, I hope you go on and win it now. A great performance from ye.
The bad wides, short balls and poor performances are only symptoms of basic underlying problem. These lads know this train is going nowhere fast. They know the set-up is rancid. There is no belief in each other or that they are going about it the right way. Deep down they dont want to be playing Cork or Kerry again this year. They want off this train and they wanted off today when they realised there was a battle afoot.
There was expectation in Sligo, there was Confidence, and boy did our lads deliver.
We can all predict as much a we like, but one thing Ive learned is it NEVER goes the way you expect it, everyone I meet Sligo "need to take all there chances", "Sligo need to start well", blah blah, the old cliches, No we didnt start well and no we didnt take all our chances is what my reply was, I felt we have better players and we proved it today.
Congrats to management who rectified there mistake in starting Sweeney Wing forward, and leaving McGuire too isolated at the start, once them changes happened we blew mayo apart. Congrats to the players, so proud of yee.
If i hear another mayo, galway or any county man tell me the Division 1 and 3 difference, Challenge games again and use that for there belief in winning well you are a clown.
In fairness to most of mayomen on here ye were respectful and went easy on me in 08 so I'll do the same.
Full match analysis tomorrow, Ive already watched the game again, probably watch it again tomorrow to cure my hangover.
Sligeach abu,
PS we know we havent won anything yet, and if you watch a replay when final whistle goes watch EOH saying to the players calm down weve won nothing yet. What a legend.
Quote from: Zulu on June 05, 2010, 09:59:43 PM
You couldn't defend that DR but I think the players have a lot to answer for as well. Plenty of bad wides or short balls and awful performances from far too many lads. As bad as JOM's performance was today I'm not sure any manager in the country would want to work with those players. Ah I don't know, there was so much wrong with it all it's hard to make sense of it.
Well done Sligo btw, I hope you go on and win it now. A great performance from ye.
of course the players have a lot to answer for Zulu but in fairness like moysider said i knew we were in trouble 5 minutes in to the 2nd half it looked like we had no energy no fight just like cork in the league final and meath last year . he has kept the same management team with him, all yes me not one of them would question him they are in awe of him and as far as i know practically the same trainer look at the difference between him and Kevin Walshe walshe surrounded himself with lads who knew sligo football he got just newly retired players like dessie sloyan who the existing players respected and got them on board and listened to them how ofter have you seen the sligo mamangement team of 4 huddled together (they were after5 minutes of todays match and the change worked) can you imagine o'mahony doing something like that not a chance .as regards working with the team the need some one with new fresh ideas some one they can respond to take sligo for e.g 2 years ago mayo hammered then out of mc hale park and look at them now look how they have responded they have confidence instilled in them all the mayo players have listened to is o'mahony telliing the mayo public not to expect too much, that he is rebuilding eventualy that has to seep in to the players mind
Quote from: stew on June 05, 2010, 10:17:18 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 05, 2010, 08:32:31 PM
Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 05, 2010, 06:36:45 PM
Well done Sligo great performance and well worthy of their win. Some of the Mayo players look as if they have lost their appetite for the game and Its clear that Johnno no longer has anything to offer.
Congrats especially to Sligonian who clearly has shown he knows his football.
I think that's fair comment and I hope the queue of people who were so keen to belittle him man up and admit they were way off beam.
Good performance from Sligo. The two sweepers made the first half hard to watch for the neutral but it was a necessary move for Sligo. When we went back man to man for the second half our lads knew we had them for the taking. Jimmy White did his best but even his considerable help wasn't enough for Mayo. In a funny was he did us a favour as if we'd got fair play we might have won by 7 to 10 which would made it twice as hard to keep the feet on the ground. While we played well there's still a lot to work on if we're to beat Galway in Salthill but again we'll go into it with no fear. Very proud of the lads and especially my two club mates today. Costello let his football do the talking when it mattered most. You don't get through 70 minutes like that if you're "a bit tubby" as someone said. As for Keelan - looked like he was there for years.
This result was not a shock though despite what the ill-informed media guys who make money from rubbish say.
Will post more later, going for a few panadol now. Louth just completed my clean sweep of bets today!
Great post seanie, I be talking to sligonian from time to time and he is as passionate a man about his county as you will ever meet, he also contributes a great deal of money to the cause and I will never hear a bad word about him, i am especially happy for him today, he must be very proud.
That said Mayo scare me, they are down but not out, if they get a couple of wins under thier belt i would dread meeting them, they have the ability to destroy you but for now it seems they lack the belief in themselves and the system they employ.
You don't become a bad manager overnight, JOM will learn from this and i hope he is given time to right the ship, the talent is there, the belief is not and the manager cant make one iota of difference once the game starts, the players have to be accountable just as much as the management team and I think people on here miss that point to a degree.
I dont think we do. This is Johnno s team and they clearly dont believe in him - for good reasons. He has n't become a bad manager overnight. He has become an ineffective one over the guts of a decade. And he wont learn from this like he did n't learn from the defeat to Cork. And dont let Mayo scare ye. It s only Mayo folk they should scare. Today is as good as it gets for this Summer I m afraid. We may still have to hit rock bottom though before people come to their senses.
Well done Sligo, and where-ever Sligonian is tonight, I hope the porter is particularly creamy. He and Indiana are two men whom you can rely on to go ballistic at the least slight, real or imagined, on their native heaths and dammit, that's what the Association is all about. When it comes to heart and pride in the colours Sligonian reminds me of no-one so much as Eamon O'Hara, and I'm sure he'd be happy with that comparison.
As for Mayo. Well, there's a poem that Sir Winston Churchill liked to quote that occurred to me on the long spin home today:
"Who is in charge of the clattering train?
The axles creak and the couplings strain,
and the pace is hot and the points are near,
and sleep hath deadened the driver's ear,
and the signals flash through the night in vain,
for Death is in charge of the clattering train!"
Break your bloody heart, after a while. :'(
Falr play to Sligo on a fully deserved win.
What exactly is the story with Costelloe playing for Sligo and being a former Mayo panelist? Has he changed clubs or something like that?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 05, 2010, 10:29:45 PM
Well done Sligo, and where-ever Sligonian is tonight, I hope the porter is particularly creamy. He and Indiana are two men whom you can rely on to go ballistic at the least slight, real or imagined, on their native heaths and dammit, that's what the Association is all about. When it comes to heart and pride in the colours Sligonian reminds me of no-one so much as Eamon O'Hara, and I'm sure he'd be happy with that comparison.
As for Mayo. Well, there's a poem that Sir Winston Churchill liked to quote that occurred to me on the long spin home today:
"Who is in charge of the clattering train?
The axles creak and the couplings strain,
and the pace is hot and the points are near,
and sleep hath deadened the driver's ear,
and the signals flash through the night in vain,
for Death is in charge of the clattering train!"
Break your bloody heart, after a while. :'(
Iolar you had me until you quoted tat irish hating cnut Churchill, that said your point is well taken,.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 05, 2010, 10:23:14 PM
There was expectation in Sligo, there was Confidence, and boy did our lads deliver.
We can all predict as much a we like, but one thing Ive learned is it NEVER goes the way you expect it, everyone I meet Sligo "need to take all there chances", "Sligo need to start well", blah blah, the old cliches, No we didnt start well and no we didnt take all our chances is what my reply was, I felt we have better players and we proved it today.
Congrats to management who rectified there mistake in starting Sweeney Wing forward, and leaving McGuire too isolated at the start, once them changes happened we blew mayo apart. Congrats to the players, so proud of yee.
If i hear another mayo, galway or any county man tell me the Division 1 and 3 difference, Challenge games again and use that for there belief in winning well you are a clown.
In fairness to most of mayomen on here ye were respectful and went easy on me in 08 so I'll do the same.
Full match analysis tomorrow, Ive already watched the game again, probably watch it again tomorrow to cure my hangover.
Sligeach abu,
PS we know we havent won anything yet, and if you watch a replay when final whistle goes watch EOH saying to the players calm down weve won nothing yet. What a legend.
Get off this board and get down to the Fiddler's Creek or whatever it's call straightaway, you eejit. You have all week at work next week for blather.
Forgive me if I have a little ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Congrats to the Sligoites here ..Seanie and especially Sligonian who has taken some stick from the Mayowestros bucks.
Quote from: stew on June 05, 2010, 10:32:56 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 05, 2010, 10:29:45 PM
Well done Sligo, and where-ever Sligonian is tonight, I hope the porter is particularly creamy. He and Indiana are two men whom you can rely on to go ballistic at the least slight, real or imagined, on their native heaths and dammit, that's what the Association is all about. When it comes to heart and pride in the colours Sligonian reminds me of no-one so much as Eamon O'Hara, and I'm sure he'd be happy with that comparison.
As for Mayo. Well, there's a poem that Sir Winston Churchill liked to quote that occurred to me on the long spin home today:
"Who is in charge of the clattering train?
The axles creak and the couplings strain,
and the pace is hot and the points are near,
and sleep hath deadened the driver's ear,
and the signals flash through the night in vain,
for Death is in charge of the clattering train!"
Break your bloody heart, after a while. :'(
Iolar you had me until you quoted tat irish hating cnut Churchill, that said your point is well taken,.
I take your point Stew. I have Churchill conflicts myself. My favourite uncle lived in England for years, and he told me the only time he was ever happy was when Churchill's funeral went by him on the scaffolding.
But, you know, Martin and the two Gerrys say the long war is over now and if anybody ought to know it's those two bucks. Tonight, I have to take comfort where I find it and I'll tell you Stew, it's going to take some serious searching.
David Brady had a couple of great quotes today that summed things up.
On Eamonn O'Hara:
He is a bit like the benjamin button of Sligo football, I think its younger he is getting
On the lack of leadership in the Mayo team he said something like:
Leaders are hard come by, you cant just go out and buy leaders on ebay
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 05, 2010, 11:08:25 PM
David Brady had a couple of great quotes today that summed things up.
On Eamonn O'Hara:
He is a bit like the benjamin button of Sligo football, I think its younger he is getting
On the lack of leadership in the Mayo team he said something like:
Leaders are hard come by, you cant just go out and buy leaders on ebay
Brady himself was a leader. The 1996 All-Ireland and replays were the only All-Irelands he started in his career with Mayo. It's not all by accident that we lose.
Great stuff, Sligo, but it's hard to asses the merit of that win. I've rarely seen such an abject performance in championship football as Mayo served up tonight.
Sligo certainly have talent in abundance and the right stuff in fighting spirit. The next day out will be the real test and if they can overcome Galway they won't fear anyone.
After drowning my sorrows, Sligo by far the best team. Anyone listen to Martin Mc Hugh on midwest after the match and the passion he showed. Instead of the knee jerk reaction give the job to Noel Connelly maybe think and say who did he manage, ah he was a great talker in the dressing room, pity he was cleaned in the 97 final, remember who managed a team on no hopers to an ulster title in the same year.
Today was bleak. Andy moran, alan freeman, and to a lesser extent ronan and ger cafferkey were ok, and then ..... I am a long time looking at Club football and good midfielders are not springing to mind. It is easy to be critical after the event but Tom Cunniffe and BJ not playing serious foootball for a year and a half showed.
I feel johnno needs to step aside after this year, now not because of today but 4 years is more than the life expectancy of an intercounty manager, but our next appointment is critical. We can all scream and shout tonight I am hurt and disappointed but Sligo desreve their day god knows I know about underdogs coming from Garry.
Thank God for the distraction of club championship next weekend and a trip to the hill in Garrymore and pray to the Lord that we can beat the townies
I'm not surprised with this result and I'm not sure how disappointed I am either. Would it have been better if we got lucky and kept living a lie with this team and management? Now everyone knows the story. John O'Mahony has to go. And some of his players need to follow. The whole set-up in the county needs a shake-up from top to bottom. We won't get that. Not unless clubs decide to take ownership of the situation. There'll be a battle for a new chairman in the winter. There is as good a chance as any to set down a marker for change.
Well done Sligo and all the Sligo lads here. While all the talk here is concentrating on a Mayo post-mortem, ye were excellent today in terms of character and intensty and skill. Truth be told, ye can play better and deserved to win by more. But ye out fought and out thought us and I do hope ye go on and beat Galway. Happy for Alan Cos too, a good lad who did very well today.
Found a pub in Brisbane showing the match, and had to watch it with 3 drunk Sligomen. Not an enjoyable night.
A pathetic display by Mayo - it's all been said, no desire, no gameplan (apart from hoof it in long), no bottle, no leadership.
Sligo were far and away the better team - the confidence not to panic after a bad start, the organisation, the gameplan, the non-stop effort and desire, and most of all, the belief.
Delighted for Sligo. I think people who blather on about Mayo not playing well are doing Sligo a disservice. The team with the best players won this match and won it easy. Sligo should have won by 6 points. Mayo are a medicore team and have not the fight required. I expect Sligo to take Galway and Connaught now. Thankfully had a few bob on them at 3-1.
An absolute shambles. Bar 3 or 4 at most they were a disgrace to the Mayo jersey. I've no problem with a Mayo team getting beaten but to surrender to timidly was hard to stomach. No direction from the sideline, no leadership on the pitch. It was the worst I've seen in a Cht. championship game in over 15 years. As posters have already said a quick death against a decent team in the qualifiers is the best we can hope for.
JOM has to go now. Changes should have been made at half time when it was clear we were going to get beaten. The subs that were introduced were too late to make any impact.
Walsh cleaned him in the tactical battle. Well I say tactical battle but that's assuming we even had a plan which is hard to believe. I'd love to know what the game plan was.
Probably too early now to say what changes should be made but for f*ck sake Jonno grow a pair of balls and make some big calls. Trevor was a v good footballer. He no longer is and it's an embarrassment that he's captain. If giving him the captaincy was a ploy to get back his form from 04-05 it's not working. Any manager worth his salt would have pulled him ashore after 20 mins. Parsons after his league final display should never have been on the pitch. Sauntering around like it was a training game on a Tuesday night in March. Not that McG was an awful lot better than him.
Dillon and Killer will come in for a start and then it's up to JOM to shake it up from there. Like most Mayo men I'm not hopeful
Will certainly be an experience for Galway to go into a Connacht semi-final as underdogs. An uphill battle now coming up against Kevin Walsh's men. Look a good unit.
Jesus...i don't know what to think. I don't think i'm even that disappointed, odd. From all reports, no excuses whatsoever. The auld lad used said "clueless" was the best way to describe the perfomance. Worrying times.
What can you say.
Whatever chance Mayo had the writing was on the wall when we saw the team the manager picked on Wednesday night. To lose playing well you can forgive a lot. To lose in such a pathetic style is unacceptable.
Seanie, Sligonian and Sligo lads here - congrats! Well deserved victory showing that there was a substance to the performances last Summer against Galway and Kerry which many of us probably doubted. The clinical way which your forwards put the game away was a credit to a proper game plan and approach which the manager has developed. Best of luck against Galway. The two best teams in Connacht will meet that day.
Was at the debacle yesterday. Clear that the players have no will to get stuck in, booming kicks all day long from clarke to midfield where they were getting cleaned, weak shots dropped in sligo keepers hands screamed lack of confidence, even though Sligo are a good enough team Mayo should have been better than them if the league wins are anything to go by. After the league final and this latest diaster something is wrong in the minds of a lot of the team. The fact that they looked so dead on their feet speaks volumes about the whole set up.
And to think we have the likes of macdonald sitting at home watching it while eamon o hara was bouncing around the place, are we that flush with talent?, several of yesterdays team are finished and that management team are definetly finished.
If JOM has any cutting about him he will step aside after the qualifiers and take those selectors with him, if not he should be pushed.Well done to Sligo.
As was said the whole League comparison thing is nonsensical.
Because of a few dire seasons Sligo couldn't conceivably be higher than Divison 3 this year!
They are actually a Division 2 team now but have comfortably won two promotions and that should not have been overlooked.
Mayo teams will always expect to beat Sligo. That is the history of the thing. And we have the players that are capable of doing that if properly managed.
But Sligo have done massive work over the past 20 years to turn the whole show around and they have been consistently one of the top 10 teams in the country for 10 years now.
Quote from: Barney on June 06, 2010, 09:43:04 AM
And we have the players that are capable of doing that if properly managed.
Do you though?
As individuals Sligo some excellent players. They've a lot more than Eamon O'Hara now. As a unit they work well too. There's not too many poor players on the Sligo team. Mayo on the other hand after seeing yesterday...
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2010, 10:37:27 AM
Quote from: Barney on June 06, 2010, 09:43:04 AM
And we have the players that are capable of doing that if properly managed.
Do you though?
As individuals Sligo some excellent players. They've a lot more than Eamon O'Hara now. As a unit they work well too. There's not too many poor players on the Sligo team. Mayo on the other hand after seeing yesterday...
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Granted Mayo had no gameplan. But a lot of those players are beyond rescue as well. Mayo need another 7 Alan Freeman's. Guys who aren't burdened by the past. And a new manager.
Still Kevin Walsh deserves some amount of credit. Sligo aren't getting any credit thus far it seems from the newsprint I've read. They said during the week they were going to win and they did it. No longer a minnow. Sligo are a serious football county now.
Ai but Costello, Kelly, Breheny, the darkr haired midfielder whose name escapes me, Davey, O'Hara etc are all cracking players. I would dispute that Mayo have better players than those boys.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2010, 11:00:08 AM
Ai but Costello, Kelly, Breheny, the darkr haired midfielder whose name escapes me, Davey, O'Hara etc are all cracking players. I would dispute that Mayo have better players than those boys.
Mentioning Costello is interesting. This is a player who looked a cut above some of the Mayo lads yesterday however he was part of the Mayo setup for a few years and didn't show much during that time. That he looks twice the player since joining Sligo tells more about the relative setups than it does about Costello as a talent. I often get the impression that because Mayo have a conveyor belt of underage talent coming through each year it doesn't require a huge level of coaching ability to achieve a certain level of performance and therefore the inclination to replace players too quickly with the latest underage star is always there. Players like Costello get thrown a jersey by management and if they don't swim they are discarded. Counties with lesser resources tend to nurture their talent a bit better. There is no shortage of talented footballers in Mayo.
Well done to Sligo and I hope ye go on to better things - ye deserve it.
As for Mayo - we have not had a settled team for a long time - no full back, chb and now midfield is suspect - no chf (since dillon was injured) or ff. Couple this with a lack of bite and the outcome is completely predictable.
I have no appetite for criticising players who give an awful lot of commitment. The simple truth is that we are not good enough and that is a grim fact that many mayo supporters will find hard to stomach, myself included.
The league form was false as it seems other teams were not half as keen as we were - Galway had a ferocious weeks training before we hammered them in Castlebar, Tyrone were only half organised, Kerry just back from the US and the first game against Cork - well enough said. When the competition got serious in Croke Park - we saw our true form - exactly the same as against Meath last year.
We need to start from scratch again.
It took me a while to get to sleep last night, replaying the game in my head as I lay on the pillow. One thing I had nearly forgotten yday, was i missed all last yr due to being away, which broke my continous championship match record of being at everyone since 1989, well 2008 was my last championship and id forgotten how nervous I get before the games, alot of toilet visits.
Well when the game started my nerves went thankfully, I didnt really worry at all at our start although my Dad was going ballistic with ref even at that stage, and parents of young children gave out to him for his cursing, I told him calm down, early doors yet.. There was a way too much pace left in front and to the sides of McGuire, he actually disposessed freeman for the peno, which wasnt a clearcut peno but I can understand it being given. The 1st half was a poor Sligo performance, the tactics were all wrong, Sweeney is not a wing forward, he doesnt have the legs for it, gardiner got away from him a few times and didnt punish us, because the of tenacity of Cawley leaving his own man to plug a hole for the team, O Hara is NOT a FF, the high ball into EOH didnt work at all, it left far too much to chance, 50/50 stuff, this was to blame for a below par costello in 1st half. As i said earlier when the management changed we started to get on top and show something for all the domination in midfield.
My feeling is Mayo should of really twisted the knife in the 1st half, Sligo were there for the taking in the opening 20 and ye werent near ruthless enough. Once we got ticking i was sure we'd win. McGee got lovely score from play and was accurate from frees, J Davey whose battle was immmense with Andy Moran showed some skill and heart for his point from play. Sligo played the usual counter attack football and looked dangerous running at mayo and like the antrim game we turned over alot of possession when the pressure was put on in our HB line.
2nd half was Sligo domination, the hungirer team wins the breaks and we were, jees TT caught some lovely ball, the man fought hard aswell and tackled hard, got a great score aswell, he is capable of that. Gilmartin for mee did alot of unseen work, he never let mcgarrity or parsons catch clean possession, and this was confirmed to me when I watched the game back, he broke some amount of ball and nearly always to a Sligoman, got a great score aswell. These 2 lads worked hard and use there physically to bully the middle sector.
The key to the second half was Costello, what a legend, the thing that made me more proud was the fact that alot didnt work for him 1st half, some disgraceful decision given against hime but his Class shone through because of his mental and willingness to back himself. His perservence to keep doing the right thing, when i seen his first pass 2nd half, 30 yarder diagonal straight to Kelly chest, with him 25 yards out, I knew were in business as he would open up mayo and give us serious creativity in the final third, Costello also completely negated any forward threat McLoughlin had. Watching back too McGarrity caught him clearly with a swinging fist. He should of been sent off, but I wouldnt hold against him as it was out of character. Costello was a pest all day for mayo, and was in there faces, his 2 pts were brilliant. Icing on the cake.
Johnny Davey absolute hero in my book, never lets us down. Long time my favourite player as his workrate, desire and skill are always unreal. Jees I he absolutely harrased Andy Moran all day, whilst moran did well to even to keep possession and lay off the ball, remember he was the forward and Johnny the back and moran did no damage. The decision to give a free against Johnny for the coming together with trevor was nothing short of a disgrace. But he showed the courage of the man.
The FB line when it got going were immense, all of them fighting for each other like pack of wolves, people will say McGuire finished, but for me he was fine once we plugged the space, for he was left far to isolated at the start. He was a tad unlucky for the peno imo. Ross and Charlie were equally immense, the blocks were fantastic. And time and time again we snuffed out mayo attacks.
Keelan Cawley was brilliant, what impressed me most was he sacrficed himself for the team, he left his man to cover other attackers, he plugged space with his excellent reading of the game, what a star, I have only one complaint and its not his fault, he needs NEW BOOTS, he slipped 7 times on the surface, he needs more grippy cogs.
Phillips deserves special mention as he did fine, but SOS is so ordinary, he hid out there today and it helped Phillips, as usual phillips was excellent on the ball, but tougher test lie ahead with P Joyce coming up. But fair play to him today, did his job well.
Forwards, EOH the rover, was immense, reading of the game huge, linking the play huge, running at mayo huge, passing huge, another 3/4 yrs left him........
Sweeney broke and won ball he was second fav for, actually caused a few scores 2nd half. He did well, as I dont blame him for his start, management got it wrong to start him wing forward and i dont care where he plays for geevagh.
Mark Brehony, really just the linked the play, was never in a position to shoot from play but got his frees.
McGee was excellent on his debut, 2 yrs ago I wanted this man on the county panel, i saw his potential at club level, and he never let me down. Mr accurate.
David Kelly what a legend, frustrating 1st half, ball into the corners no good for kelly, took his scores well but owes costello for alot of the supply. Lucky to have him .
My man of the match was either Tony Taylor or Johnny Davey, there were consistently superb throughout. We can play better aswell, i dont think we played to our full potential.
Cosmos Kramer, said earlier that Sligo need to make hay with this team, as he feels nothing coming through, I disagree, I was at 2 St Attractas games, 2 summerhill, 3 CML, 2 u21 matches, there is unreal talent to come through in the next 3/4 yrs, as the saying goes at underage we might not win anything but there is outstanding players coming through. As good as the PT, DS and EOH. Mark my words.
Some really great comments from stew, tatler jack iolarcoscon and seanie, thanks a mill, means alot coming from ye, when Sligo were whipping boys in the early ninetys , they never walked alone, because of my Dad and he brought me along, I remember being at league games when we were the only 2 there, this last 15 yrs have been great though, our best and you can imagine what yday meant to me and Dad.
Sligeach abu.
Well deserved victory for Sligo. Congratulations lads, i am happy for ye, great fight in that team......... O'Hara.... that man is a legend.
I just remembered...
Does anyone remember Morts attempt at a volly yesterday late in the game? :D
wtf was he thinking!?
It summed up the day for us
Just read all the papers there and they talk some shite, I remember meeting Eugene McHale, a couple of days before the the game, I said to him I think we have better players than mayo. He was suprised by this comment. Its shows today when all pundits are saying it was simply hunger and passion that won it for us, i say to that bullshit. We scored 0-7 in the 2nd half from play, there was skill, there was quality there not just a better mental atitude as the pundits are making out.
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 06, 2010, 01:43:30 PM
I just remembered...
Does anyone remember Morts attempt at a volly yesterday late in the game? :D
wtf was he thinking!?
It summed up the day for us
In fairness to him, it wasnt his best and if he had connected he would of scored, was funny though the way it turned out :D
Sligo are being a bit hard done by in the post match analysis. Mayo were so awful that that is what people will talk about - it is big news I guess. But Sligo were of a level that meant the game was gone from Mayo with twenty minutes to go. Mayo would have played that badly before and won against other Sligo sides. This is a very good Sligo side. I would like to think Mayo would be capable of beating ye if we had done everything right and had a proper set-up. I'm not sure that that would be the case though. But at least it would be nice to have the security of knowing we were giving it everything and properly prepared. We didn't and that's why there's so much of a post-mortem. Sligo are capable not only of winning Connacht but of going to the last four - I know one man who will say they're even better than that!
SLigonian, you really need a girlfriend.
Quote from: mannix on June 06, 2010, 04:24:02 PM
SLigonian, you really need a girlfriend.
The last few werent too happy with my Sligo first, Girlfriend second atitude at the weekends ;). They only get in the way this time of yr.
Quote from: moysider on June 05, 2010, 09:25:39 PM
Out of a total attendance of 13 something I would say less that 5,000 anyway. Quietest welcome for a Mayo team onto a championship I ever recall. The players performance reflected the lack of enthusiasm. at no stage did the crowd even attempt to get behind the team. Well this is what Johnno wanted after all. It s backfired big time. Once even middling Mayo team would respond to the crowd and try and kick on anyway.
Spot on as usual, moysider.
Something had been bugging me throughout the game-indeed, from the time I had arrived at the grounds until I finally arrived back home and read your post.
The lack of enthusiasm from Mayo supporters was unreal and it was more than met and matched by those on the field and on the sideline.
Maybe indeed Johnno has gone to the well too many times with his calls for patience and team rebuilding plans.
We'll regroup, we'll see where we are, we'll move on, said Johnno, according to An Spailpin.
If all three were undertaken as speedily as possible, with the 'on' possibly changed to 'out,' he might yet do his county some service.
Sligo were superb yesterday and highlighting Mayo's shortcomings can't take any deserved credit away from their achievement. They came out with a plan; Walsh tweaked it when needed and, in the end, they chased Mayo up the side of Ben Bulben.
I doubt that any team in the land would relish a meeting with Sligo this summer.
I'd nap them for the Connacht title and see no reason why they shouldn't go further. It's far too soon to start talking about Sam Maguire yet but I'm sure Walsh and his players know this full well. All the same, they are certainly live contenders and if they do go the whole way, I'd be delighted.
Can any of the Mayo heads here deny Sligonian his iconic status now?
He lives up to the motto to that John O'Mahony waffles about: "Keep the Faith." I had a number of pros and cons to consider before making up my mind to drive down from Dublin for the game.
But an opportunity to meet the person who epitomises all that is best in the GAA made me decide to make the journey. I'm glad I did. This man is larger than life in every sense; not least his unwavering devotion to and belief in his cause.
I hope he enjoyed his visit to Fiddler Creek last night and that it made up for the many other nights that didn't have a happy ending.
I won't be a bit put out if he gets a good run of happy endings between now and on to late September!
well done to sligo yesterday hope all the sligo posters on the board enjoyed the win. all thats has to be said about the match been said :( all i want to know is where can i purchase a sligonian for taoiseach t shirt as he seems to be the man of the moment ;) however i do seem to recall him going off on one when kevin walsh was appointed in the 1st place. could any of the sligo lads tell me how many of the sligo team yesterday played against mayo in 2008?
Quote from: small white mayoman on June 06, 2010, 06:52:51 PM
well done to sligo yesterday hope all the sligo posters on the board enjoyed the win. all thats has to be said about the match been said :( all i want to know is where can i purchase a sligonian for taoiseach t shirt as he seems to be the man of the moment ;) however i do seem to recall him going off on one when kevin walsh was appointed in the 1st place. could any of the sligo lads tell me how many of the sligo team yesterday played against mayo in 2008?
7 started in 2008. Greene, Harrison, Donovan, O Hara, Davey, Brehony and Kelly. McGuire, Gilmartin and Philips came on as well.
Firstly well done Sligo. The win was totally deserved and should have been more comprehensive but for an over-fussy ref who did everything he could to help Mayo back into the game. In addition I thought Sligo gave Mayo a bit too much respect in the 1st half. The early tactic of leaving just 2 men up made it very difficult for them to get scores and usually just gave possession back to Mayo. Our use of that possession was beyond pathetic, Freeman aside.
I thought McGarrity was lucky not to be sent off. But we would hardly have noticed if he was. In fact if himself and Parsons had gone for a pint after 10 minutes it wouldn't have changed anything.
I'm not going to go through the team and their performances as that would require effort and we in Mayo don't seem to do effort these days.
I have always defended the management on here up to now. I don't know what the problem is and it may not be their fault but the only possible solution that I see is a fresh start as soon as possible. We need either 30 new players or a new management. Realistically it has to be the latter.
Well done Sligo, best I've seen Sligo play I have to say, they are turning out quite a good side and I would not be surprised to still see them in the championship come semi-final time!
Sligo beat a very clueless Mayo side and the lack of leadership in the team was very evident! Mabye we need a new captain, Trevor has played better than he is these days, and the captaincy may be a burden to hold for him, I think Andy Moran or even (I'll be shot for this) C Mort, he's a charismatic guy who loves to be seen and heard would be worth a go for captaincy!! I was very disappointed with the performance yesterday, but not surprised with the result. Alot of people didnt seem to rate Sligo much against us. But they were hungrier and more tactically alert than we were.
As with moysider I was also disappointed with the lack of Mayo support at the game, when Freeman scored the goal the place was silent but for the odd cheer. I can understand from that point of view why there seemed to be a lack of motivation with the team, looking around them having to squint their eyes to see a Mayo jersey (and it wasnt the biggest venue) and the same goes for the League final (Looking around an empty stadium with no green and red!)
I'm sick of hearing all of this negativity of fans who have given up the ghost altogether!! We are NOT out of the championship, we WERE beaten by a GOOD team! Teams in the qualifiers do not want to meet us lads! Honest to god back in Janurary I was sure Mayo would be relegated, and sure ye all know where we got to in the league!
To the championship, is it not all about just going out on the Saturday and Sunday to support your team be they playing good or bad, look at the Rossies, the team is playing rubbish, and yet their supporters are out in their tousands any given sunday!!! I am sure the negativity from the Mayo fans does move into the dressing room lads! Yes we have had more than our fair share of dissapointment, but give it up will ye, the season 2010 aint over, Mayo are still in it, leave all the ridiculeing UNTIL we are knocked out, which honestly I dont think will be for a while yet!
I'm looking forward to these qualifier's, it's a new experience and hopefully we'll progress far in them! A dose of championship games might be just what Mayo needs, if we keep on winning, it might bring a biteen of confidence to the team, and hey, mabye a couple more supporters might get back behind the team!
Looking forward to getting a rematch with Sligo in the Semi Final above in Croker!! ;)
well done Sligo but keep the heads Galway will be tough to beat in the final.
Firstly my heartfelt congratulations to Sligo and Kevin Walsh, what a plan and what a performance. The very best of luck for the rest of the season and there is no reason why you can't go all the way.
As for our shower of slobberers, firstly there is no longer any place for a johnno sit on the fence, he must and has to go, more importantly he must be replaced by someone who has the power to make the tough calls. How can so many players have regressed in the last 3 or 4 years. It's unheard of in other counties. We have a 2006 U'21 panel and a panel of minors from 2008 & 2009 for whom most counties would die for. Finger out, JOM gone, let's change the whole thinking.
Redgreenery - I found it hard to take your post seriously after you mentioned Conor Mort as captain.
Yes we were beaten by a good team but a shite team would have also beaten us by the sounds of it.
JOM and the way things have gone has drained the confidence out of Mayo supporters like never before.
Few wins against Carlow and Longford will only paper over the deep caverns at this stage, gone well beyond cracks. It's all well and good backing the team, which we all obviously will forever but you can't just bury your head in the sand and fail to acknowledge the current situation.
In fairness to Sligo, they are a fine team and have been building nicely. But Sligo supporters will need to take stock of what they beat on Saturday. In the words of Joe Brollox...."sure everyone beats Mayo" :-\
Quote from: ballinaman on June 07, 2010, 12:26:30 AM
Redgreenery - I found it hard to take your post seriously after you mentioned Conor Mort as captain.
Yes we were beaten by a good team but a shite team would have also beaten us by the sounds of it.
JOM and the way things have gone has drained the confidence out of Mayo supporters like never before.
Few wins against Carlow and Longford will only paper over the deep caverns at this stage, gone well beyond cracks. It's all well and good backing the team, which we all obviously will forever but you can't just bury your head in the sand and fail to acknowledge the current situation.
In fairness to Sligo, they are a fine team and have been building nicely. But Sligo supporters will need to take stock of what they beat on Sunday. In the words of Joe Brollox...."sure everyone beats Mayo" :-\
O dont get me wrong I think a change in management is badly needed, especially if we do lose to a bad team in the qualifiers, completely agree with that! What gets to me is that the season is not over, yet all the folk are talking as if it is!! We are still in the championship!
And yes the dissappointments of late have gotten to me too and I can see why the support at the games has been down as of late! I just think the lack of support is a cause for the lack of motivation on the field we have seen on the last 2 day's out!
Quote from: Redgreenery on June 07, 2010, 12:43:33 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on June 07, 2010, 12:26:30 AM
Redgreenery - I found it hard to take your post seriously after you mentioned Conor Mort as captain.
Yes we were beaten by a good team but a shite team would have also beaten us by the sounds of it.
JOM and the way things have gone has drained the confidence out of Mayo supporters like never before.
Few wins against Carlow and Longford will only paper over the deep caverns at this stage, gone well beyond cracks. It's all well and good backing the team, which we all obviously will forever but you can't just bury your head in the sand and fail to acknowledge the current situation.
In fairness to Sligo, they are a fine team and have been building nicely. But Sligo supporters will need to take stock of what they beat on Sunday. In the words of Joe Brollox...."sure everyone beats Mayo" :-\
O dont get me wrong I think a change in management is badly needed, especially if we do lose to a bad team in the qualifiers, completely agree with that! What gets to me is that the season is not over, yet all the folk are talking as if it is!! We are still in the championship!
And yes the dissappointments of late have gotten to me too and I can see why the support at the games has been down as of late! I just think the lack of support is a cause for the lack of motivation on the field we have seen on the last 2 day's out!
It's very hard to believe in a team that has showed on a few occasions that they don't believe in themselves, and thats down to management IMO. The players put in serious effort and give up so much for Mayo so people shouldn't forget that. The least the deserve is to be steered in the right direction. Maybe they have become disillusioned with the whole set up too and hence the lack of hunger.
We're not out of the championship technically alright, but we are psychologically...jaysus,were we ever even in it going by Saturdays performance?? :-[
Wow. It's taken me until now to be able to come on here and read the comments.
I will leave any comments on the Mayo players and management until I have something constructive to say, and will attempt that on the Mayo football discussion thread.
For now, it should rightly be all about Sligo, an excellent performance. I hope ye go on to beat Galway, but take a step back from Saturday's performance before the Galway game. Ye would do well to forget it ever happened, and prepare for the Galway game the same as the Mayo one.
Congrats.
Congrats to Sligo. Think some of the praise dished out to them in the media over the last few days has been a tad patronising. It's true to say they showed guts and heart but the main factors in their win were good organisation and intelligent football. Credit for that has to go to Kevin Walsh. They were even better than the scoreline suggests. McGarrity should have walked and the ref pulled Sligo up for what alot of the time was just basicically tough tackling.
Mayo had no heart, hunger or desire to win the dirty ball. Morale looked very poor thoughout the team. The selection of the likes of Padden etc was strange. Has the collapse in the league final caused this? Is there more to it? Dunno but difficult to see them having the appetite for the long road that is the back door now.
As an overall unit I feel Sligo are a better side than Galway. The open spaces of Pearse stadium wont faze them as they have the pace to exploit it and the work rate to track back when required. If they break even or win midfield they should win it. However Galway still have exceptional inside forwards like P. Joyce and Meehan plus lesser ones that are capable of taking scores such as N. Joyce and Armstrong. Therefore Sligo will really have to disrupt the supply and punish on the break like they did versus Mayo. It's a 50/50 game. 2007 will stand to Sligo in terms of confidence and experience.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 06, 2010, 05:59:11 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 05, 2010, 09:25:39 PM
Out of a total attendance of 13 something I would say less that 5,000 anyway. Quietest welcome for a Mayo team onto a championship I ever recall. The players performance reflected the lack of enthusiasm. at no stage did the crowd even attempt to get behind the team. Well this is what Johnno wanted after all. It s backfired big time. Once even middling Mayo team would respond to the crowd and try and kick on anyway.
Spot on as usual, moysider.
Something had been bugging me throughout the game-indeed, from the time I had arrived at the grounds until I finally arrived back home and read your post.
The lack of enthusiasm from Mayo supporters was unreal and it was more than met and matched by those on the field and on the sideline.
Maybe indeed Johnno has gone to the well too many times with his calls for patience and team rebuilding plans.
We'll regroup, we'll see where we are, we'll move on, said Johnno, according to An Spailpin.
If all three were undertaken as speedily as possible, with the 'on' possibly changed to 'out,' he might yet do his county some service.
Sligo were superb yesterday and highlighting Mayo's shortcomings can't take any deserved credit away from their achievement. They came out with a plan; Walsh tweaked it when needed and, in the end, they chased Mayo up the side of Ben Bulben.
I doubt that any team in the land would relish a meeting with Sligo this summer.
I'd nap them for the Connacht title and see no reason why they shouldn't go further. It's far too soon to start talking about Sam Maguire yet but I'm sure Walsh and his players know this full well. All the same, they are certainly live contenders and if they do go the whole way, I'd be delighted.
Can any of the Mayo heads here deny Sligonian his iconic status now?
He lives up to the motto to that John O'Mahony waffles about: "Keep the Faith." I had a number of pros and cons to consider before making up my mind to drive down from Dublin for the game.
But an opportunity to meet the person who epitomises all that is best in the GAA made me decide to make the journey. I'm glad I did. This man is larger than life in every sense; not least his unwavering devotion to and belief in his cause.
I hope he enjoyed his visit to Fiddler Creek last night and that it made up for the many other nights that didn't have a happy ending.
I won't be a bit put out if he gets a good run of happy endings between now and on to late September!
Cheers Lar, a pleasure meeting you, hopefully see you up in Croke Park later in the yr. I certainly wont write off mayo, ye are definitly better than that, but so are we. I have alot of respect for most of the mayo heads on here and can safely say no one will want to meet ye in qualifiers.
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on June 07, 2010, 02:23:13 AM
Wow. It's taken me until now to be able to come on here and read the comments.
I will leave any comments on the Mayo players and management until I have something constructive to say, and will attempt that on the Mayo football discussion thread.
For now, it should rightly be all about Sligo, an excellent performance. I hope ye go on to beat Galway, but take a step back from Saturday's performance before the Galway game. Ye would do well to forget it ever happened, and prepare for the Galway game the same as the Mayo one.
Congrats.
I'd echo most of that - I doubt Galway would ever hit the field so unprepared under Big Joe and now that they've seen what Sligo can do they'll be even harder to turn over.
That said it was a magnificent performance by Sligo - just after watching it and there's no reason why ye can't kick on from it.
If talk and hot air could win an Ireland, Mayo would win it every year. Forty-four pages of tripe talk on the first round of the Connacht Championship. We are so good at talking about it, that we have put forward a whole army of former players to talk about it on the National stage. They are roled out every weekend on the Sunday Game to talk, M Carney (very much so Marty), K McStay, D Brady, J Maughan, J O'Mahoney (before his current job - and straight away when Mayo get knocked out), and low and behold - Liam McHale arrives on the scene last weekend. We have nearly a 7-a-side team of All-Star talkers... If only it could win all Irelands....
Kevin Walsh must be a good manager. He can take over from big Joe whenever the need arises ;). Nice to see Sligo beating Mayo. They might even beat Galway which wouldn't be a bad thing either. Imagine beating the big three to win Connacht. That would be some achievement.
Mayo fans shouldn't be too down. Galway lost to Ros in the first round in 2001 and ended up beating them in the qfs and then going on to win the all-Ireland. It is still all to play for, surely.
Time for me to eat humble pie also. Sligo were brilliant in the second half great passion and heart. Jesus if we only could bottle some of it and if they threw Eamon O'Hara to us as well. We lacked a leader like O'Hara. The lads out there didnt seem to care about the Jersey, that might seem a bit harsh but thats certainly what it looked liked.
Maybe its the drink from the bank holiday but i have the blues since the defeat. At this stage its hard to look forward to the qualifiers. Sligo will need to improve slightly to beat Galway they wasted a lot of scores and should of won by more but they have a brilliant manager in Walsh and plenty of time to work on it.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on June 06, 2010, 11:39:40 PM
well done Sligo but keep the heads Galway will be tough to beat in the final.
galway in the connacht semi final. Or did you mean the all-Ireland?
Very impresed with Sligo - in the second half especially. I don't think I have ever seen Mayo as bad in Connacht (well maybe the 95 Connacht final in Tuam against Galway).
Galway - Sligo game is very tough to call. The only thing giving me a bit of extra hope is the fact that we are at home. If it were in Sligo I really doubt we would win. A huge thing going against us is that it's pretty certain now that Michael Meehan will not be fit to play any part in that game. We will need Army and the 2 Joyces to step up to the mark bigtime.
Am looking forward to it now. I'm sure the Sligo support will outnumber us 2:1 as usual. I hear the Mayo lads on about the lack of support in Sligo on Saturday. Try being a Galway follower who travels all over the country to see the team in action only to be outnumbered most of the time unless we reach an AI semi final!!
Anyway back to Sligo - they seem to be very strong around the middle and have a class act in the corner in David Kelly.We are weak in our fb line and could have a lot of trouble holding him.Fitzy is the only man for that job or possibly Alan Burke to use his pace.
I really feel that Meehan would do damage on Noel Maguire if he was fit so he is a massive loss to us.
Quote from: galwayman on June 07, 2010, 06:25:50 PM
Very impresed with Sligo - in the second half especially. I don't think I have ever seen Mayo as bad in Connacht (well maybe the 95 Connacht final in Tuam against Galway).
Galway - Sligo game is very tough to call. The only thing giving me a bit of extra hope is the fact that we are at home. If it were in Sligo I really doubt we would win. A huge thing going against us is that it's pretty certain now that Michael Meehan will not be fit to play any part in that game. We will need Army and the 2 Joyces to step up to the mark bigtime.
What happened to Meehan? Last I heard he was back in light training and that was a few weeks ago.
Well I'm going on second hand info here but a buddy of mine was talking to MM a week or so ago and he said himself he was very doubtful that he'd be fit for the semi-final. He hasn't played any part in any of the challenges Galway have played recently or been able to tog for Caltra either. Game is less than 3 weeks away now. The worst thing they could do is rush him back from a knee injury.Could end up turning it into a cruciate injury by coming back too soon.
when o hara went back as a sweeper where did his own marker go? did not see that as i was behind the goal with a 2 year old child on my shoulder pulling my hair and looking for icecream.
Quote from: mannix on June 07, 2010, 10:32:29 PM
when o hara went back as a sweeper where did his own marker go? did not see that as i was behind the goal with a 2 year old child on my shoulder pulling my hair and looking for icecream.
He started at FF and then left Caff and went behind his own HB line. Caff stayed inside on his own for a while effectively leaving our FB line with 3 marking 2 small men. I didn't think it worked very well for them as it seemed to give a poor team too much respect.
Quote from: muppet on June 07, 2010, 10:34:57 PM
He started at FF and then left Caff and went behind his own HB line. Caff stayed inside on his own for a while effectively leaving our FB line with 3 marking 2 small men. I didn't think it worked very well for them as it seemed to give a poor team too much respect.
Muppet - just curious, reading this first off, it seems to suggest that the "it" which didn't work very well was the Mayo ("them") decision which gave "a poor team" [presumably Sligo] "too much respect"? I'm assuming that was not what you meant as the offenecs of being poor and offering too much respect are universally agreed to have been committed in the opposite order by all that saw the game Saturday?
Moving on, what an evening for all from Sligo - both a performance and a result.
Again I was destined to watching on the box for a variety of reasons but it was easy to watch, leaving aside the innane and generally off the mark comments from Tommy Lyons in studio - what a clown, but we'll leave that for another day.
While I felt Mayo were deserving favourites starting out, I felt that we had the game in our hands as early as 15 minutes in. I thought the decision to play into the wind was a statement of confidence and I wasn't unduly worried about the start. It reminded me of the Tyrone final qualifier in 2002 when we went 7 points to 1 down in the first twenty odd minutes. Our tormentor in chief that day was Peter Canavan and good footballer that he may prove to be, Alan Freeman is a long way from Canavan. I really felt in those early stages Saturday that with Sligo always having a mind to take the fight on, (and assuming they hadn't suddenly gone completely against type) that fight would come, which when allied with whatever wind advantage there would be, and the inevitable faltering confidence that would be in Mayo heads if they went in at HT without any sizeable advantage after a gift start and a half with the breeze... well in my mind, there was only going to be one winner.
That said there are things to be worked on. Most of the scores that were conceded came from Sligo errors. Looking towards another day, with a higher intensity again and a better quality opponent that is working harder to deny space, we will have to be even more intense and focussed ourselves to eliminate errors and be more accurate with the ball.
Sligo clearly didn't have huge self belief at the start but the turning point was the Davey point - it was "is that all ye have to give us" statement. On TV Tony Davis kept emphasising the 'great duel' between himself and Andy Moran, who he (Davis) reckoned was also "having a great match" Well all I'll say is he must have been doing great work off the ball that would be obvious to someone in the ground but I didn't see any of it on TV. Johnny Davey for me was m-o-m.
It is rare for a Sligo team to be able to say that it was dominant in nearly every position. Of the 15 that started I'd say that only Maguire and McGee didn't have completely the better of the duel they were in. To give Maguire credit, he kept the head and played his way into the game, working well with those around him. There is a lot of talk about O'Hara's 'veteran' status but it is worth saying that this is the 14th season of championship football for Maguire (as it is Sean Davey - both played in the 1997 Connacht Final) and the experience shows.
On the day I thought McGee took time to settle - snatched a bit at a few early balls and may have been trying too hard. His free taking though was immaculate and there was one in particular from a distance and well to the left half way through the second half that was sublime.
Going through the rest of the team, I though Greene was neat and efficient throughout with good kick outs and only had the one mad moment where he over played coming out with the ball and gave it away. That has to be eliminated – only takes one score to win many champoionship games.
Harrison and Donovan were top class and in front of them, Philips did all that was asked, which probabaly wasn't a lot but he can only play what is put up to him.
I thought Caelan Cawley was a revelation. I've heard various comments that he was 'raw' and he certainly at least twice he tried to play a bit too much football at the wrong time / in the wrong place. He also wilted a bit as the game went on as he doesn't appear to have as mature a physique as his direct opponent or some of those around the middle of the park... but this guy is a born footballer. His positioning, reading of the game, comfort on the ball and ability, while he was fresh, to make good decisions and execute them is exceptional. I think he is potentially as good a half back as we have ever seen in Sligo and in my own mind's eye I have to go back to Paddy Henry in the 60's and 70's and then wonder if I'm not seeing that through sepia tone hindsight glasses. I think he is that good and he will be the better again for this game although I don't expect us to see the delivery of that potential for a few years.
The midfield duo is progressing well - the value of having natural midfileders is immense. Taylor was more prominent yesterday as the ball ran but both worked well and it must have been hugely satisfying to see both direct opponents replaced. Taylor's handling of the ball in particular and his kicking style have similarities to his big brother and are of a quality not regulalry seen in bigger players. I particularly like the way he holds control of the ball when under physical pressure. Around them too it is worth nothing that, in contrast to the League final, we won the greater percentage of breaking ball, although there was no danger of getting hurt doing so!
In the half forwards, Costello moved it up a notch again. He appears to be fitter again than he was in the League final and motored longer which apart from being good in itself, also shows that he is looking to improve so his head is not happy to stay where he is. I think at this stage in his career one has to accept that there will be a certain quota of ball that he will overcarry, or try something too clever with but his vision and accuracy to pass or shoot put more than enough in the bank to offset the errors.
Brehony was his hugely efficient self and Kelly likewise played up to the standard that we have now come to expect - which is a huge tribute to his progress. I was pleased on Saturday for Kenneth Sweeney as it seems to me that despite this being his sixth season in the squad, it is not often that he both starts and finishes a game. Again, I thought he did a lot of ploughing, some of it in strange places (ref that breaking ball referred earlier). Every team needs a few like that who may not get the headlines but without whom the day could not be won.
As for the Master - I think that his display on Saturday while not his most spectacular, most inspired, most creative or even most athletic, was O'Hara's most mature and arguably the most influential ever. He deserves huge credit and will be a very important part of bringing the team on to the next day at the right pitch. It is one thing to talk about how long he is playing but this is a guy who folk were worried fifteen years ago might not have a long career after a serious shoulder injury and who has also since had a serious groin and (I think) knee injuries any one of which finished many a player – a credit to himself and he totally deserves any praise coming his way.
Thought the management did very well -used their resources really well. Moved quickly to protect the full back line early on and then subtly rearranged the forces to take advantage of the wind in the second half. Also kept the shape and didn't do anything daft when it was obvious we were going to win (Roscommon in '98 anyone?) I would credit the selectors too for being good judges of the play to contribute to that decision making. One black mark in that direction though was the ongoing behaviour of one selector thoughout the match who kept remonstrating with officials at every decision and generally ranting. Sure the ref was a bit watery on some decisions but winding up officials and giving bad example in that regard to your own players is not good management - a firm word would not be out of order.
As for Mayo, boy do they have problems. I would have been firmly in the 'one bad game doesn't make them a bad team' camp but now I'm wondering how in the name of god they won all those League games. It is probabaly the most damming thing one could say and I'm not looking to be either damming or spiteful but Sligo while taking satisfaction from the outcome, would do well to forget as quickly as possible that it was Mayo they were playing because that did not feel in any way like a Div 1 / potential championship challenger and there wasn't really a lot to the challenge.
On Sligo vs. Galway? Well despite the best efforts of the Galway lads on here to install us as favourites, I think they still have to start at the shorter odds. That said, there are a number of sound bases for us believeing that we can succeed there too – something for another day. Plenty of work to be done in the three weeks but it is definitely possible.
I meant Sligo using a sweeper might have been paying Mayo (the poor team) too much respect. When O'Hara went up the field in the 2nd half Sligo took over affairs and showed that they were the better team.
Basically Mayo playing with the breeze left 3 men marking 2 in the full back line. Sligo brought O'Hara back because McGuire was struggling with Freeman. So all of a sudden Freeman has 2 men marking him. What do we do, keep booming high ball into him. No plan B. We made no use of the extra man out the pitch when O'Hara went back. We were getting cleaned in around the middle of the pitch but we left the extra man in the full back line.
It was clear for all to see that a lot of the Mayo players were struggling big time. Even though we were 2 points up at half time it was obvious some of the lads weren't at the races. When was the first change made.
Quote from: paddypastit on June 08, 2010, 12:26:55 AM
On Sligo vs. Galway? Well despite the best efforts of the Galway lads on here to install us as favourites, I think they still have to start at the shorter odds. That said, there are a number of sound bases for us believeing that we can succeed there too – something for another day. Plenty of work to be done in the three weeks but it is definitely possible.
Latest odds for the Connacht championship:
Galway 4/7
Sligo 9/4
Roscommon 13/2
Leitrim 14/1
So Galway hot favourites.
Quote from: criostlinn on June 08, 2010, 02:18:08 AM
Basically Mayo playing with the breeze left 3 men marking 2 in the full back line. Sligo brought O'Hara back because McGuire was struggling with Freeman. So all of a sudden Freeman has 2 men marking him. What do we do, keep booming high ball into him. No plan B. We made no use of the extra man out the pitch when O'Hara went back. We were getting cleaned in around the middle of the pitch but we left the extra man in the full back line.
It was clear for all to see that a lot of the Mayo players were struggling big time. Even though we were 2 points up at half time it was obvious some of the lads weren't at the races. When was the first change made.
Like wouldnt you think they would have made Keith Higgins the free man in our full back line as he has far more penetration than Cafferkey. Or even Gardiner.
O Mahoney must have been asleep on the sideline.
Quote from: criostlinn on June 08, 2010, 02:18:08 AM
Basically Mayo playing with the breeze left 3 men marking 2 in the full back line. Sligo brought O'Hara back because McGuire was struggling with Freeman. So all of a sudden Freeman has 2 men marking him. What do we do, keep booming high ball into him. No plan B. We made no use of the extra man out the pitch when O'Hara went back. We were getting cleaned in around the middle of the pitch but we left the extra man in the full back line.
It was clear for all to see that a lot of the Mayo players were struggling big time. Even though we were 2 points up at half time it was obvious some of the lads weren't at the races. When was the first change made.
For my two cent worth, there's a standoff of some sort going on inside the camp.
Something happened between the league semi down in Cork and the final in Croker a fortnight later. Whatever it is, the problem is still there.
There can be no other logical explanation for the dramatic slump in morale and form.
Mayo had a string of impressive performances from start to finish in the league;
John O'Mahony and his entire squad seldom put a foot wrong. There had been mistakes made throughout the campaign and at least one stinker of a game- against Dublin in McHale Park of all places, but the team went into that final game with respectable credentials.
O'Mahony's performance that day mirrored that of his team. Without a shadow of doubt, he was outfoxed by Counihan on the sideline. The game last Saturday was almost an exact replica of the league final with the manager lethargic and slow to react and his team just as much off the pace.
Walsh and his entire team work as a unit and he can obviously get the best out of them all. They in turn gave 100% throughout the game and that's all that can be asked of any team or manager. Sligo fans can feel proud of their manager and players and can be confident that they will put the fight up to any side in the land.
I hope they go the full distance and I know that if they don't, it will take an extremely good outfit to beat them; which can't be said about Mayo, God help us at the moment.
What you've pointed out above about Freeman being left isolated and what moysider had to say about Clarkie having to wait for a single defender to turn around to face him for a short free are only two of many disturbing signs of underlying tension I saw that days.
When you see players sauntering back to their positions with hands on hips after being left standing by their markers, you know all is not well with Team Mayo. If experienced players can drop 30m attempts into the goalie's hands, you know they've lost their focus. Some of the unenforced wides were of the Keystone Kops variety- a throw back to the inglorious days when Mayo forwards were famous for their wide scoring exploits.
I often refer to the words of Ballintubber's most famous son. (No; not Tubberman or even Abeysider.) James Horan led by example on the field and he's developed into an astute observer and analyst who is worth a read at any time.
James feels that players are so highly tuned, mentally and physically, that it takes very little to shatter the psyche of any of them. If they don't have clear leadership at times of pressure, they retreat into their 'comfort zones,' where they try to avoid making mistakes and take on as little responsibility as possible.
I think that's what happened in the league final and again in Marky Park.
If there is deep tension within the camp, it's up to the manager to resolve it.
My mantra, more or less is that, since the hoor has absolute authority, he must also accept ultimate responsibility.
The whole tactic of leaving the extra man in the full back linepuzzled me the last day. Another issue I had with it. Sligo began to mix their kickouts. Because they had a sweeper they were able to get a man free and play it short if they had to. But Mayo with the seven men in the back line and getting cleaned in midfield. Well lets keep banging it down the middle where we dont even have the hunger to win a break.
On a side point spoke to a couple of sligo players after the game. Glad to hear that they weren't totally happy with there performance and expect better the next day. Disappointed to hear one of them say he could feel Mayo lads giving up all around him when they equalised. Another one said he was having a right old handy time of it and it was sorry to see his man taken off. This change wasn't made until well into the second half.
The match was won and lost on the sideline. Walsh was much quicker at making changes and changing tactics than O'Mahony.
It was the same as the League final high balls bombed in on top of O'Shea when he had two men marking him but we continued with this tactic throughout. No plan B as usual or worse no ability to adapt or think differently on the field by the players. We might as well have took our spare man off as he was marked absent throughout.
While undoubtedly the players have talent the lack of leadership, aggression and player development is worrying. 2 or 3 players have regressed this year into inferior players. We have limped out of the Championship listlessly in the last three years. I think it is obvious now that O'Mahony cannot inspire these group of lads.
Best wishes to Sligo for the rest of the season.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 08, 2010, 11:26:25 AM
For my two cent worth, there's a standoff of some sort going on inside the camp.
Something happened between the league semi down in Cork and the final in Croker a fortnight later. Whatever it is, the problem is still there.
There can be no other logical explanation for the dramatic slump in morale and form.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the training camp debacle. I wouldn't see it as necessarily the fault of either the management or the players either. Both should be able to deal with issues like that and still deliver Championship level performances (Connacht level anyway) despite off-field issues. But it hardly helps morale when teams train looking for millimetre and millisecond improvements in performances.
Im going to try and hold back here.
All this shit about training camps. Is Mayo not a big enough county with enough places to run a training camp. I recently listened to Trevor Mortimer and Paeder Gardiner selling tickets to pay for a future training camp. Come on lads gives us a break. I dont know how many days were spent in Carton House a couple of weeks ago, but if Saturday was the result of it, well need I say more. These lads think they are f**king Real Madrid.
A repeat of an interview Ger Loughnane did on Newstalk in 2005 was played again last night. He spoke about the way the Clare players trained in 1995. The training was done for mental preparation as well as physical. I reckon some of our lads could do with a bit of this. Find out who really wants to play for Mayo, who wants to work hard for the priviledge of wearing the jersey or who just wants to fanny around the pubs and clubs thinking they have made it because they have played for Mayo.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 08, 2010, 11:26:25 AM
"I often refer to the words of Ballintubber's most famous son. (No; not Tubberman or even Abeysider.) James Horan led by example on the field and he's developed into an astute observer and analyst who is worth a read at any time.
James feels that players are so highly tuned, mentally and physically, that it takes very little to shatter the psyche of any of them. If they don't have clear leadership at times of pressure, they retreat into their 'comfort zones,' where they try to avoid making mistakes and take on as little responsibility as possible."
As much as I have tried to analyse Saturdays debacle, Lar Naparka above comments probably sum it up the best. JOM appears to have done less than a stellar job with respect to the confidence building of some players, In particular Tom Parsons (who in my mind is playing so poorly at the present time, he should not be on the team ), but think back to last year, the lad was messed around in my mind by management. I have to believe that the mental scars are still present, in my mind Mickey Harte or Sean Boylan would have handled him and possible others better.
As for the football analysis, watched the game again, some of the tackling/block down efforts (if you could call it that)by some Mayo backs were very poor, some of our backs did not seem fit, were turned once or twice and was unable to get back goalside.
I am trying my best to forget last week, as I have to believe that going through the league unbeaten bar Dublin, should count for something, maybe not. We just seemed to have six or eight ordinary footballers on the field last saturday.
Finally , JOM in my mind has backed himself into a corner in the last few years with his choice of captain and vice captain.
Apologies Lar poor editing job, these are my comments,
As much as I have tried to analyse Saturdays debacle, Lar Naparka above comments probably sum it up the best. JOM appears to have done less than a stellar job with respect to the confidence building of some players, In particular Tom Parsons (who in my mind is playing so poorly at the present time, he should not be on the team ), but think back to last year, the lad was messed around in my mind by management. I have to believe that the mental scars are still present, in my mind Mickey Harte or Sean Boylan would have handled him and possible others better.
As for the football analysis, watched the game again, some of the tackling/block down efforts (if you could call it that)by some Mayo backs were very poor, some of our backs did not seem fit, were turned once or twice and was unable to get back goalside.
I am trying my best to forget last week, as I have to believe that going through the league unbeaten bar Dublin, should count for something, maybe not. We just seemed to have six or eight ordinary footballers on the field last saturday.
Finally , JOM in my mind has backed himself into a corner in the last few years with his choice of captain and vice captain.
Quote from: highking on June 07, 2010, 01:37:17 PM
If talk and hot air could win an Ireland, Mayo would win it every year. Forty-four pages of tripe talk on the first round of the Connacht Championship. We are so good at talking about it, that we have put forward a whole army of former players to talk about it on the National stage. They are roled out every weekend on the Sunday Game to talk, M Carney (very much so Marty), K McStay, D Brady, J Maughan, J O'Mahoney (before his current job - and straight away when Mayo get knocked out), and low and behold - Liam McHale arrives on the scene last weekend. We have nearly a 7-a-side team of All-Star talkers... If only it could win all Irelands....
Don't forget Tommy Lyons. Another Mayoman!
Quote from: criostlinn on June 08, 2010, 01:44:33 PM
Im going to try and hold back here.
All this shit about training camps. Is Mayo not a big enough county with enough places to run a training camp. I recently listened to Trevor Mortimer and Paeder Gardiner selling tickets to pay for a future training camp. Come on lads gives us a break. I dont know how many days were spent in Carton House a couple of weeks ago, but if Saturday was the result of it, well need I say more. These lads think they are f**king Real Madrid.
A repeat of an interview Ger Loughnane did on Newstalk in 2005 was played again last night. He spoke about the way the Clare players trained in 1995. The training was done for mental preparation as well as physical. I reckon some of our lads could do with a bit of this. Find out who really wants to play for Mayo, who wants to work hard for the priviledge of wearing the jersey or who just wants to fanny around the pubs and clubs thinking they have made it because they have played for Mayo.
You completely missed the point.
I mentioned it, not because of a perceived sense of privilege among the players, but because of the disorganisation it suggests exists off the pitch. Players, as is succinctly put above, train under a mantra of 'every inch', 'every blade of grass','no stone unturned', professional preparation etc and then a trip they may simply have been really looking forward to (note not demanding as a right) gets screwed up a few weeks before the Championship.
I didn't miss your point. I was just making one of my own.
This trip to Portugal was the players idea and was only organised a couple of weeks before it was cancelled.
I'm just wondering what the point of a trip to Portugal or Carton House for that matter is at this stage of the season. Why can this kind of training not be done at home. I would expect any training camp be built into the schedule at the start of the season. Not an of the cuff decision by the players a few weeks before the championship.
As was said in previous posts, I cant really fault or blame the players after last weekends performance as I wouldnt blame any them for losing heart if they have no faith in the man at the helm. Normally I would be one of the first to jump on players individually but really, last Saturday we could have used 13 subs so when it goes so wrong you have to ask questions.
It was two years ago when I heard rumours that JOM had lost the dressing room and its obvious from Mayo's performances that its true. There was rumblings JOM had brought nothing new to the set-up and the players could see past the cliche ridden waffle talk.
But aside from that, JOM's performance has finally driven home the point that he is not the tactician that he was made out to be and is certainly not the Messiah we had all hoped for after his "second coming".
A lot of the tactical mistakes have already been pointed out but IMO BJP should not have been coming on to replace SOS who was doing more foraging and trying harder than Parsons. My move would have been to Move SOS to midfield for Parsons and leave Parsons at 11 or take him off altogether for Dillon.
It would be easy for me to tear BJP and Cunniffe apart but I no longer blame them. Its not their fault that they were asked onto the panel, let alone play. Its total naiveity on O Mahoneys part to expect either of the to be up to it.
Cunniffe has hardly kicked a ball in 2.5 years due to injury and being in college in England. Even in the last year he would have had no more than a handful of competitive club games let alone have the sharpness for the county scene. WTF was O Mahoney thinking when he was putting him CB for Mayo in championship. I looked back over the video since I came home from the game and he was like a duck out of water. Blocked down three times, giving it away etc. I dont blame him personally but in no way was it fair to him. We have 43 clubs in Mayo, surely there is a CB in one of those clubs. IMO the Kilcullens should be there plugging those holes but JOM doent seem to rate them.
As regards BJP, I have no idea why he came on, let alone why SOS went off so early. We needed SOS around the middle but when BJP came on we lost a bit of height and options for a kick-out. I thought it was a harsh decision. But an even crazier decision was bringing back BJP into the panel - only a couple of months ago! (I have my own theories though). One of my main gripes is that he would have had no pre-season stuff done and im not sure what he has to offer any more. Why throw in a fella like that on top of the fire? Is he such a prolific scorer or play maker? I wondered too why Dillon didnt get the nod.
As well as the above examples of messing around with players, I will never forget what JOM did to Parsons against Meath. Throwing him in full forward (where he never played in his life), only to hawl him off after a few minutes, and then to put him on again at midfield. Crazy stuff you wouldn't see at an U14 game.
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 08, 2010, 03:39:39 PM
As was said in previous posts, I cant really fault or blame the players after last weekends performance as I wouldnt blame any them for losing heart if they have no faith in the man at the helm. Normally I would be one of the first to jump on players individually but really, last Saturday we could have used 13 subs so when it goes so wrong you have to ask questions.
It was two years ago when I heard rumours that JOM had lost the dressing room and its obvious from Mayo's performances that its true. There was rumblings JOM had brought nothing new to the set-up and the players could see past the cliche ridden waffle talk.
But aside from that, JOM's performance has finally driven home the point that he is not the tactician that he was made out to be and is certainly not the Messiah we had all hoped for after his "second coming".
A lot of the tactical mistakes have already been pointed out but IMO BJP should not have been coming on to replace SOS who was doing more foraging and trying harder than Parsons. My move would have been to Move SOS to midfield for Parsons and leave Parsons at 11 or take him off altogether for Dillon.
It would be easy for me to tear BJP and Cunniffe apart but I no longer blame them. Its not their fault that they were asked onto the panel, let alone play. Its total naiveity on O Mahoneys part to expect either of the to be up to it.
Cunniffe has hardly kicked a ball in 2.5 years due to injury and being in college in England. Even in the last year he would have had no more than a handful of competitive club games let alone have the sharpness for the county scene. WTF was O Mahoney thinking when he was putting him CB for Mayo in championship. I looked back over the video since I came home from the game and he was like a duck out of water. Blocked down three times, giving it away etc. I dont blame him personally but in no way was it fair to him. We have 43 clubs in Mayo, surely there is a CB in one of those clubs. IMO the Kilcullens should be there plugging those holes but JOM doent seem to rate them.
As regards BJP, I have no idea why he came on, let alone why SOS went off so early. We needed SOS around the middle but when BJP came on we lost a bit of height and options for a kick-out. I thought it was a harsh decision. But an even crazier decision was bringing back BJP into the panel - only a couple of months ago! (I have my own theories though). One of my main gripes is that he would have had no pre-season stuff done and im not sure what he has to offer any more. Why throw in a fella like that on top of the fire? Is he such a prolific scorer or play maker? I wondered too why Dillon didnt get the nod.
As well as the above examples of messing around with players, I will never forget what JOM did to Parsons against Meath. Throwing him in full forward (where he never played in his life), only to hawl him off after a few minutes, and then to put him on again at midfield. Crazy stuff you wouldn't see at an U14 game.
Couldn't agree with you more AS. Although I do believe Dillon was not fit to come on. Presumably you have the inside line? That's shocking if it's true.
There's definately a book to be written about what is going on inside that Mayo camp I am sure. We have gone from a team that looked like one of the main contenders for honours this year to hopeless cases in the space of two games of football. A trip to Portugal may have given the lads a nice tan to show off last weekend but it wasn't the difference between winning and losing to Sligo. Even if they found extra metres rather than millimetres we still would not have been within an asses roar of winning that game.
QuoteI recently listened to Trevor Mortimer and Paeder Gardiner selling tickets to pay for a future training camp. Come on lads gives us a break. I dont know how many days were spent in Carton House a couple of weeks ago, but if Saturday was the result of it, well need I say more. These lads think they are f**king Real Madrid.
you think ronaldo go around selling raffle ticket . none of us are happy but talking shite abot the players hardly helps.
for about the 10th time here i say JOM was the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time for the wrong reason.
What you sow you reap
Quote from: rosnarun on June 08, 2010, 10:42:39 PM
QuoteI recently listened to Trevor Mortimer and Peadar Gardiner selling tickets to pay for a future training camp. Come on lads gives us a break. I don't know how many days were spent in Carton House a couple of weeks ago, but if Saturday was the result of it, well need I say more. These lads think they are f**king Real Madrid.
you think ronaldo go around selling raffle ticket . none of us are happy but talking shite abot the players hardly helps.
for about the 10th time here i say JOM was the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time for the wrong reason.
What you sow you reap
I'm not talking about these two players in particular they were only spokesmen for the team. Can you not see how ridiculous it is for a team to be trying to organise a training camp in Portugal for some stage later in the season 3 weeks before the Sligo game. What are they thinking of and how come somebody didnt try and stop it.
Quote from: criostlinn on June 08, 2010, 11:18:46 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 08, 2010, 10:42:39 PM
QuoteI recently listened to Trevor Mortimer and Peadar Gardiner selling tickets to pay for a future training camp. Come on lads gives us a break. I don't know how many days were spent in Carton House a couple of weeks ago, but if Saturday was the result of it, well need I say more. These lads think they are f**king Real Madrid.
you think ronaldo go around selling raffle ticket . none of us are happy but talking shite abot the players hardly helps.
for about the 10th time here i say JOM was the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time for the wrong reason.
What you sow you reap
I'm not talking about these two players in particular they were only spokesmen for the team. Can you not see how ridiculous it is for a team to be trying to organise a training camp in Portugal for some stage later in the season 3 weeks before the Sligo game. What are they thinking of and how come somebody didnt try and stop it.
Eh.....it was stopped.
And those two players were around in 2004 when a week in the Catskills after the NY game was credited for uniting the squad in way months of running in Mayo couldn't.
Eh. No it wasn't. Postponed till later in the season and fundraising event in Claremorris golf club was to help pay for it
did you see db s piece on the sunday world, he reckons its good to hate your opponent on matchday, i thought i was the only one, i despise roscommon,galway,dublin,kerry and all on matchday, however sligo is the strange exception, never could hate them for some reason.
Complacency?
Quote from: criostlinn on June 08, 2010, 11:28:56 PM
Eh. No it wasn't. Postponed till later in the season and fundraising event in Claremorris golf club was to help pay for it
The trip was stopped.
Would you object to the lads raising money say for Goal 3 weeks before a game?
Do you think players should be banned from all fundraising 3 weeks before matches? Or just for trips that you disagree with?
Ffs. You accused me of missing your point earlier. I have no problem with the fundraising.
Again. The trip was postponed and they were planning to go later depending how they progressed.
Quote from: criostlinn on June 08, 2010, 11:58:37 PM
Ffs. You accused me of missing your point earlier. I have no problem with the fundraising.
Again. The trip was postponed and they were planning to go later depending how they progressed.
QuoteWhat are they thinking of and how come somebody didnt try and stop it
Obviously you did have a problem with it. Also saying it was postponed is a slight over-simplification don't you think?
the problem the last day was far bigger than the quality of the players . we know they are of a much higher quality than we saw last week. but when you fail to beat the sligo's of this world you are in serious trouble. its a problem of team spirit one which a trip away may have helped .
not one that is help by petty begrudgery by people proclaiming to be supporters
Quote from: mannix on June 08, 2010, 11:36:39 PM
did you see db s piece on the sunday world, he reckons its good to hate your opponent on matchday, i thought i was the only one, i despise roscommon,galway,dublin,kerry and all on matchday, however sligo is the strange exception, never could hate them for some reason.
Complacency?
I think he was more talking about the opposition you are playing.
Actually playing against not necessarily as a spectator.
Quote from: rosnarun on June 09, 2010, 12:40:40 AM
the problem the last day was far bigger than the quality of the players . we know they are of a much higher quality than we saw last week. but when you fail to beat the sligo's of this world you are in serious trouble. its a problem of team spirit one which a trip away may have helped .
not one that is help by petty begrudgery by people proclaiming to be supporters
I dont want to open a can of worms but there is also guys on the team from certain clubs that dont get on at all (and havnt done for some time). Surely that would add to tensions.
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 09, 2010, 09:27:55 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 09, 2010, 12:40:40 AM
the problem the last day was far bigger than the quality of the players . we know they are of a much higher quality than we saw last week. but when you fail to beat the sligo's of this world you are in serious trouble. its a problem of team spirit one which a trip away may have helped .
not one that is help by petty begrudgery by people proclaiming to be supporters
I dont want to open a can of worms but there is also guys on the team from certain clubs that dont get on at all. Surely that would add to tensions.
Guys from different clubs (or even the same club) not getting on is nothing new and a feature of any team
Quote from: muppet on June 09, 2010, 12:01:47 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on June 08, 2010, 11:58:37 PM
Ff. You accused me of missing your point earlier. I have no problem with the fundraising.
Again. The trip was postponed and they were planning to go later depending how they progressed.
QuoteWhat are they thinking of and how come somebody didn't try and stop it
Obviously you did have a problem with it. Also saying it was postponed is a slight over-simplification don't you think?
Really. So tell me how you come to this obvious conclusion. Is it from taking half a line from what I said and then changing the word "it" to the words "the fundraising". Now then it would be obvious. Ill just put in the full text again
Quote from: criostlinn on June 08, 2010, 11:18:46 PM
I'm not talking about these two players in particular they were only spokesmen for the team. Can you not see how ridiculous it is for a team to be trying to organise a training camp in Portugal for some stage later in the season 3 weeks before the Sligo game. What are they thinking of and how come somebody didn't try and stop it.
Now ill say it one last time. Read it slowly if you are struggling to understand. I have no problem with the team fundraising. They could stand on church gates every sunday morning for all I care.
The jist of the original post I made was I don't agree with these training camps. I think players are spoilt at the moment and I think some harder training is whats required to build up a physical and mental toughness and find out who exactly wants to put on a Mayo jersey.
I then went on to say I dont agree with players organising a training camp 3 weeks before the championship starts to be taken later on in the season. I think if they are to do a training camp it should be built into the schedule at the beginning of the year not organised of the cuff in the middle of the championship. It shows me players aren't concentrating on the Sligo game. Thats my opinion simple as that. If you dont agree with it fine tell me why. If you want to ignore my post even better again, dont reply. But please ignore my point, misquote me and then start arguing with the points you have made up.
And no I dont think its an over simplification saying the trip was postponed. The radio interview I mentioned earlier was on the 18th of May a long time after the original trip was planned and postponed. Both players said they hoped the it would still be going ahead and were raising money to pay for it. Ive said this twice already what dont you understand.
Maybe it's time all the Mayowestros bucks went away for a week or two till they get over last Saturday.
No point adding to ye're anguish by continually posting whinges here.
Come back when ye get over it. :-*
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2010, 09:35:48 PM
Maybe it's time all the Mayo bucks went away for a week or two till they get over last Saturday.
No point adding to ye're anguish by continually posting whinges here.
Come back when ye get over it. :-*
I'm already looking forward to next Sunday's game in the club championship Rossfan. :-*
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 09, 2010, 10:30:14 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2010, 09:35:48 PM
Maybe it's time all the Mayo bucks went away for a week or two till they get over last Saturday.
No point adding to ye're anguish by continually posting whinges here.
Come back when ye get over it. :-*
I'm already looking forward to next Sunday's game in the club championship Rossfan. :-*
looking forward to sundays qualifier draw meself ;D
:'(
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2010, 09:35:48 PM
Maybe it's time all the Mayowestros bucks went away for a week or two till they get over last Saturday.
No point adding to ye're anguish by continually posting whinges here.
Come back when ye get over it. :-*
Imagine Leitrim tripping up the rossies. That would be class- a Leitrim/sligo connacht final
Quote from: criostlinn on June 09, 2010, 08:55:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 09, 2010, 12:01:47 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on June 08, 2010, 11:58:37 PM
Ff. You accused me of missing your point earlier. I have no problem with the fundraising.
Again. The trip was postponed and they were planning to go later depending how they progressed.
QuoteWhat are they thinking of and how come somebody didn't try and stop it
Obviously you did have a problem with it. Also saying it was postponed is a slight over-simplification don't you think?
Really. So tell me how you come to this obvious conclusion. Is it from taking half a line from what I said and then changing the word "it" to the words "the fundraising". Now then it would be obvious. Ill just put in the full text again
Quote from: criostlinn on June 08, 2010, 11:18:46 PM
I'm not talking about these two players in particular they were only spokesmen for the team. Can you not see how ridiculous it is for a team to be trying to organise a training camp in Portugal for some stage later in the season 3 weeks before the Sligo game. What are they thinking of and how come somebody didn't try and stop it.
Now ill say it one last time. Read it slowly if you are struggling to understand. I have no problem with the team fundraising. They could stand on church gates every sunday morning for all I care.
The jist of the original post I made was I don't agree with these training camps. I think players are spoilt at the moment and I think some harder training is whats required to build up a physical and mental toughness and find out who exactly wants to put on a Mayo jersey.
I then went on to say I dont agree with players organising a training camp 3 weeks before the championship starts to be taken later on in the season. I think if they are to do a training camp it should be built into the schedule at the beginning of the year not organised of the cuff in the middle of the championship. It shows me players aren't concentrating on the Sligo game. Thats my opinion simple as that. If you dont agree with it fine tell me why. If you want to ignore my post even better again, dont reply. But please ignore my point, misquote me and then start arguing with the points you have made up.
And no I dont think its an over simplification saying the trip was postponed. The radio interview I mentioned earlier was on the 18th of May a long time after the original trip was planned and postponed. Both players said they hoped the it would still be going ahead and were raising money to pay for it. Ive said this twice already what dont you understand.
Lurking in your incredibly patronising post is a seething hatred of anything that might be seen as a reward for players. That is the 'it'.
If the players thought a trip would be good idea, as it clearly was in 2004 a point you conveniently ignore, so what? Why are you so offended by such an outrageous proposition?
My original point, which has become diluted by your anti-player rant, was that when you train players under a dogma of every millimetre etc, then you shouldn't be surprised if you see a fall in morale shortly after you pull the rug out from under their plan for a comprehensive weeks' training together.
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2010, 01:23:06 PM
Imagine Leitrim tripping up the rossies. That would be class- a Leitrim/sligo connacht final
The Leitrim bit is quite probable alright I'm afraid but I suspect the Herrins will put a sudden end to the Sligo bit.
"incredibly patronising", "seething hatred", "anti-player rant". ffs get of your high horse. Have you even read my posts or have you just picked a line from them you didn't like and went off on one.
QuoteLurking in your incredibly patronising post is a seething hatred of anything that might be seen as a reward for players. That is the 'it'.
If the players thought a trip would be good idea, as it clearly was in 2004 a point you conveniently ignore, so what? Why are you so offended by such an outrageous proposition?
My original point, which has become diluted by your anti-player rant, was that when you train players under a dogma of every millimetre etc, then you shouldn't be surprised if you see a fall in morale shortly after you pull the rug out from under their plan for a comprehensive weeks' training together
.
So let me see, its now a reward for the players. Ah sure why didn't you say that earlier. Well let me get my clubs out and enter a team for Claremorris.
That s a joke by the way so dont just pick out the line and go of on another one.
Muppet I dont think you are seriously believe that the reason the Mayo team was so bad last Saturday is because morale was low because they didn't get their trip or break or reward or training camp or what ever else you want to call it. If this is the case then we are seriously in a lot more trouble then I taught.
I was was going to just ignore you Rosnarun but since you seem to think the same as muppet on this well maybe I am wrong and its just petty begrudgery from a so callled supporter to think differently
You want me to address 2004. I didn't comment earlier because you made it up. Yes I heard it was great team building for the squad but who said it was better then months of running. 2004 was 6 years ago. There has been many the day spent on training camps since then with not to much to show for it. Trust me I am not offended by them going on a training camp I just dont think its needed and I especially think its a distraction if players are trying to organise one themselves 3 weeks before the championship starts.
Any way they had a few days in Carton House to sort out any issues in the build up to the Sligo match. Obviously wasn't sunny enough.
I dont know why I bother but ill try and make my point differently. In 1995 Mayo were a beaten docket, a soft team with no heart. John Maughan came in and ran the shite out of them, In my opinion, and muppet this is only an opinion, I think something similar needs to be done again. (and I dont mean bring in john maughan) The players are having to soft a time of it. Any match that turns into any sort of a battle they disappear. Training needs to be harder to have them ready for the tough battles on the pitch. This slogging early on in the year will separate the men from the boys and will also show who will go the extra mile to play for Mayo. I think this would be good mental preparation as well. It should bring lads together alot better then any trip to Portugal or any where else for that matter.
This team at the moment is not prepared physically or mentally for any tough matches. You can call that player bashing or what ever else you want but it is a fact. Most of the blame for that is management but players sometimes have to step up and be counted. Can you imagine how I felt last Saturday when a Sligo player tells me when they equalised Mayo players gave up in front of them. He couldn't believe it. I seen this myself but its hard to hear it from the opposition. The same thing happened against Cork and Meath in the last 10 months.
QuoteRead it slowly if you are struggling to understand
How do you think that sort of comment reads? Reasoned debate or your own high horse?
As for the rest of it, nowhere do I say a trip, holiday or training camp should be to replace anything else such as hard training or whatever. You seem to assume that is what was being argued, it wasn't.
It doesn't matter to me whether they train in Belmullet or Brasil but it seemed to matter enough to the players that they were raising their own funds for it. Something went seriously wrong in the last few weeks. It could have been one big thing or more likely it was a lot of small things, including the postponement of a morale building trip.
And for your sarcastic comment about getting out your clubs for Claremorris, how do you think that reads? Here is my opinion, it shows a high level of begrudgery towards the players. Of course that might be wrong but that is how it reads to me.
Not going to get involved in the training camp debate. I dont have any strong views on it either way. But I have heard that the training sessions have been very flat. In fact I was told today by one of the minors that the minor sessions have more zip and intensity than the senior ones.
QuoteAs for the rest of it, nowhere do I say a trip, holiday or training camp should be to replace anything else such as hard training or whatever. You seem to assume that is what was being argued, it wasn't.
I never assumed this is what was been argued. How did you come to that conclusion. Just to remind you what you did argue.
QuoteAnd those two players were around in 2004 when a week in the Catskills after the NY game was credited for uniting the squad in way months of running in Mayo couldn't.
Now what I said was, "Yes I heard it was great team building for the squad but" and I asked you "who said it was better then months of running." Ill rephrase it who said this trip united the squad in ways months of running in Mayo couldn't.
QuoteHow do you think that sort of comment reads? Reasoned debate or your own high horse?
You seem to be have problems reading my posts. Im only making a suggestion. One I might add you are choosing to ignore
QuoteIt doesn't matter to me whether they train in Belmullet or Brasil but it seemed to matter enough to the players that they were raising their own funds for it. Something went seriously wrong in the last few weeks. It could have been one big thing or more likely it was a lot of small things, including the postponement of a morale building trip
Yes indeed you may very well be correct it could be a small distraction. The same as the distraction of firstly organising a trip in breach of GAA rules. Then when its cancelled continuing to organise it even thou the championship is only a couple of weeks away. If the players had proper preparation done earlier in the year these small distractions shouldn't bother them
QuoteAnd for your sarcastic comment about getting out your clubs for Claremorris, how do you think that reads? Here is my opinion, it shows a high level of begrudgery towards the players. Of course that might be wrong but that is how it reads to me.
And how does this bit read to you
QuoteThat s a joke by the way so dont just pick out the line and go of on another one.
Quote from: criostlinn on June 10, 2010, 10:40:48 PM
And how does this bit read to you
QuoteThat s a joke by the way so dont just pick out the line and go of on another one.
I'll answer even if you don't answer my question. I picked out the substantive point in preference to re-quoting the whole post over and over again just as you have done by breaking up my post into its sentences.
And again you insult my reading ability. Does this give you a great feeling of superiority? You probably see me as a lowly illiterate player or something like that.
QuoteThat's a joke btw.
Quote from: muppet on June 10, 2010, 10:51:07 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on June 10, 2010, 10:40:48 PM
And how does this bit read to you
QuoteThat s a joke by the way so dont just pick out the line and go of on another one.
I'll answer even if you don't answer my question. I picked out the substantive point in preference to re-quoting the whole post over and over again just as you have done by breaking up my post into its sentences.
And again you insult my reading ability. Does this give you a great feeling of superiority? You probably see me as a lowly illiterate player or something like that.
QuoteThat's a joke btw.
Now muppet I am lost. And I have tried reading it slowly !!!
Quote from: criostlinn on June 10, 2010, 11:06:13 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 10, 2010, 10:51:07 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on June 10, 2010, 10:40:48 PM
And how does this bit read to you
QuoteThat s a joke by the way so dont just pick out the line and go of on another one.
I'll answer even if you don't answer my question. I picked out the substantive point in preference to re-quoting the whole post over and over again just as you have done by breaking up my post into its sentences.
And again you insult my reading ability. Does this give you a great feeling of superiority? You probably see me as a lowly illiterate player or something like that.
QuoteThat's a joke btw.
Now muppet I am lost. And I have tried reading it slowly !!!
The irony here is that we are both arguing a similar point even we are coming from different places. I am suggesting that canceling/postponing a trip the players wanted may have damaged morale to some extent at least. You appear to be arguing that the players never should have got involved in it but you still suggest that it may at least have been an unnecessary distraction so close to the Championship.
Either way we both seem to agree that the trip and what happened around it was a problem. How about we leave it at that?
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2010, 01:23:06 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2010, 09:35:48 PM
Maybe it's time all the Mayowestros bucks went away for a week or two till they get over last Saturday.
No point adding to ye're anguish by continually posting whinges here.
Come back when ye get over it. :-*
Imagine Leitrim tripping up the rossies. That would be class- a Leitrim/sligo connacht final
I don't think there has ever been a leitrim/sligo final? always a first as they say...