I have been wondering about why Whites are racists, and no other race is......
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Proud to be White
Michael Richards makes his point..............
Michael Richards better known as Kramer from TVs Seinfeld does make a good point.
This was his defense speech in court after making racial comments in his comedy act. He makes some very interesting points...
Someone finally said it.. How many are actually paying attention to this? There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, etc..
And then there are just Americans. You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,' 'Whitey,' 'Caveman'... and that's OK.
But when I call you, Nigger, Kike, Towel head, Sand-nigger, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink .. You call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you... so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?
You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah. You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.
You have the NAACP. You have BET... If we had WET (White Entertainment Television), we'd be racists.. If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists.
If we had White History Month, we'd be racists.
If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance' OUR lives, we'd be racists.
We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce. Wonder who pays for that??
A white woman could not be in the Miss Black American pageant, but any color can be in the Miss America pageant.
If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships... You know we'd be racists.
There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US . Yet if there were 'White colleges', that would be a racist college.
In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists..
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.
I am proud.... But you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists??
There is nothing improper about this e-mail.. Let's see which of you are proud enough to send it on.. I sadly don't think many will. That's why we have LOST most of OUR RIGHTS in this country. We won't stand up for ourselves!
BE PROUD TO BE WHITE!
It's not a crime YET... but getting very close!
Is this man talking pure manure or has he a point?
he's got a point, but I think many people like me know the western world has this senario but cant be bothered dealing with it as there is not much to gain from it.
Of course he has a point, I remember the argument cropping up again about the MOBOs recently, and didn't Bernard Hopkins racially slur Joe Calzaghe when they fought, yet nothing was said about it but if Joe had came out with the opposite, he would have been hung out to dry.
He has a point, but I think he's coming at it from the wrong direction. The last thing the world needs a white pride movement. What we need is no black/hispanic/arab etc. pride movements.
We all know how white pride manifests itself - in the flaunting of neo-nazi type ideology. It's the standard now, to the extent that it would be impossible and unthinkable to start a movement to promote the positive aspects of white culture, in the same way as other races seem able to promote their particular cultures. It would be overwhelmed by negative connotations.
On the other hand, the racial minority groups cannot credibly continue to campaign against being differentiated by race while actively differentiating themselves by race. So my proposal (taking it in the American context) is to outlaw all race-based campaigning groups. A bit like the philosophy behind the flags and emblems legislation in the North. It's a clear manifestation of racism, so it should be illegal. That way, officially, there is only one category of American - an American. Of course, it's politically impossible - probably for a few generations.
There are many things here. I live in the northern part of Ireland and it's bad too. You'd be getting 'black basterds' this and 'huns' that and even though it's not either of those tribes they're talking to. So what is happening here is that people are pretending the ones they are shouting at belong to those groups in order to justify their shouting at them. It is like approaching a man who's bigger than you and pretending he's a child so maybe telling him to pick up litter. In that case you are visualising the big man as a wee boy in order to justify it.
What I mean is that people in this country justify their evil thoughts by pretending the people they are angry with are black or a hun. That makes it ok in their eyes and they keep on doing it.
Ireland is a terrible place for this and even for gays. You would get boys fighting in the niteclubs because one calls another 'you're gay' maybe just because he's drinking a soft drink instead of a hard one. He's acused of being gay because he won't take the hard one and that's insulting to the straight fellow because it questions his bravery and also insulting to gays in that they only take soft ones.
It's all a big muddle and it's geting worse.
Michael Richards didn't write or say this. It's a rehash of a piece that was apparently doing the rounds on neo-nazi websites around the time of Richards' f**k up. He was never charged with anything relating to that incident, therefore this could not possibly have been his 'defense speech in court'.
Quote from: Hardy on April 16, 2010, 11:03:55 AM
He has a point, but I think he's coming at it from the wrong direction. The last thing the world needs a white pride movement. What we need is no black/hispanic/arab etc. pride movements.
We all know how white pride manifests itself - in the flaunting of neo-nazi type ideology. It's the standard now, to the extent that it would be impossible and unthinkable to start a movement to promote the positive aspects of white culture, in the same way as other races seem able to promote their particular cultures. It would be overwhelmed by negative connotations.
On the other hand, the racial minority groups cannot credibly continue to campaign against being differentiated by race while actively differentiating themselves by race. So my proposal (taking it in the American context) is to outlaw all race-based campaigning groups. A bit like the philosophy behind the flags and emblems legislation in the North. It's a clear manifestation of racism, so it should be illegal. That way, officially, there is only one category of American - an American. Of course, it's politically impossible - probably for a few generations.
as it has gone a bit mad in the usa - they now are afraid to call it Christmas, and instead refer to it as 'holiday' (holiday 2009 just past).
so the diff races and cultures are influencing the neutralisation of things over there, but at the same time these ethnic cultures are retaining their own holidays (chinese new year, passover etc etc I dont know the half of them).
Will this all lead up to the UN eventually calling the shots and outlawing all religions, non inclusive days/holidays/names in the various countries?
Right now various arab countries do not permit christian symbols, ceremonies, documentation etc but are more than willing to have islamic symbols ceremonies and documentation in historically christian countries.
I suppose I want parity, but I also think that the yanks are going OTT as usual. a bit of common sense should prevail - but as we know this doesnt happen easily in the world, there will have to be some global body to adjudicate and dictate. Either the UN or the parades commission could be promoted as they are doing nothing these days !!
Quote from: AFS on April 16, 2010, 11:27:08 AM
Michael Richards didn't write or say this. It's a rehash of a piece that was apparently doing the rounds on neo-nazi websites around the time of Richards' f**k up. He was never charged with anything relating to that incident, therefore this could not possibly have been his 'defense speech in court'.
Exactly, it is a hoax which illdecide fell for, hook line and sinker.
Feckin dumb Nordies, 40 years ago we could have had them lynched for less ;D
He makes the point that racist works both ways, but it doesn't excuse him from the things he said though.
Quote from: ziggysego on April 16, 2010, 02:13:42 PM
He makes the point that racist works both ways, but it doesn't excuse him from the things he said though.
Reading fail.
If someone called me a 'cracker', personally i wouldnt give a shit, dont think it would offend or bother me in the slighest but then im not that easily offended.
Sticks and stones and all that.
Quote from: Main Street on April 16, 2010, 01:46:24 PM
Quote from: AFS on April 16, 2010, 11:27:08 AM
Michael Richards didn't write or say this. It's a rehash of a piece that was apparently doing the rounds on neo-nazi websites around the time of Richards' f**k up. He was never charged with anything relating to that incident, therefore this could not possibly have been his 'defense speech in court'.
Exactly, it is a hoax which illdecide fell for, hook line and sinker.
Feckin dumb Nordies, 40 years ago we could have had them lynched for less ;D
I'm from Ashburn in Meath ya c**k box
Is that near Ashbourne?
Quote from: Main Street on April 16, 2010, 01:46:24 PM
Quote from: AFS on April 16, 2010, 11:27:08 AM
Michael Richards didn't write or say this. It's a rehash of a piece that was apparently doing the rounds on neo-nazi websites around the time of Richards' f**k up. He was never charged with anything relating to that incident, therefore this could not possibly have been his 'defense speech in court'.
Exactly, it is a hoax which illdecide fell for, hook line and sinker.
Feckin dumb Nordies, 40 years ago we could have had them lynched for less ;D
yer fairly 'Northern' yourself now old chap !!
;) :D
:o
'Nordie' doesn't apply to me.
I have been civilised.
50 years since the integration of schools in the US.
30 years since the first black player for England soccer team.
Is there much integration of schools in the north?
Much done but a lot more to do.
the prez lives in the white house
There are some valid points in the piece although i get a feeling of a white supremist undertone to it. One thing I always found amusing is the TV shows we get from the US. Fresh Prince, Cosbys etc were all black casts and if there was a white in it he was always a nerd or an idiot. Groups need to realise that they should campaign for equal rights for all not for just one side. America is a nasty racist country, many of them are almost proud of it in my experience. That racism is present on all sides imo.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 16, 2010, 07:03:00 PM
There are some valid points in the piece although i get a feeling of a white supremist undertone to it.
I suppose the Cavan breeding might explain the perception of some merit in the piece ::)
but how on earth did you NOT know that this was pure white supremacy drivel?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 16, 2010, 07:03:00 PM
There are some valid points in the piece although i get a feeling of a white supremist undertone to it. One thing I always found amusing is the TV shows we get from the US. Fresh Prince, Cosbys etc were all black casts and if there was a white in it he was always a nerd or an idiot. Groups need to realise that they should campaign for equal rights for all not for just one side. America is a nasty racist country, many of them are almost proud of it in my experience. That racism is present on all sides imo.
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White America has a huge say in who became President, America has it's share of bigots just like Ireland has it's fair share and then some, that said I have never inmy life met anyone who was 'almost proud of it'.
That letter certainly has merit and to someone elses point it is ridiculous that you get instructed to say 'happy holidays and Christmas time, I was told to say that by my boss and refused, it is Christmas and the PC brigade are doing their best to water down everything, it is sickening.
Black people can be racist as well, the problem is society is uncomfortable with that slant, black men can call another black man the N word, but if a white guy or hispanic guy says it all hell breaks loose, that to me is wrong.
any black person who calls another black person "nigger" is a complete idiot.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 16, 2010, 07:03:00 PM
There are some valid points in the piece although i get a feeling of a white supremist undertone to it. One thing I always found amusing is the TV shows we get from the US. Fresh Prince, Cosbys etc were all black casts and if there was a white in it he was always a nerd or an idiot. Groups need to realise that they should campaign for equal rights for all not for just one side. America is a nasty racist country, many of them are almost proud of it in my experience. That racism is present on all sides imo.
Thats a pretty silly statement.
Quote from: Main Street on April 16, 2010, 07:55:40 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 16, 2010, 07:03:00 PM
There are some valid points in the piece although i get a feeling of a white supremist undertone to it.
I suppose the Cavan breeding might explain the perception of some merit in the piece ::)
but how on earth did you NOT know that this was pure white supremacy drivel?
The Irony. Cavan "breeding" used as reason for outrage in racism post ::)
The piece makes some points. All Black colleges etc etc are also racist are they not. The problem with the piece is that the writer went too far when blathering about how he should have the right to do exactly the same (i.e. have a all white college). I don't know where it came from but I made an educated guess - don't know why yo got your knickers in a knot about what i posted.
Quote from: Puckoon on April 16, 2010, 08:58:46 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 16, 2010, 07:03:00 PM
There are some valid points in the piece although i get a feeling of a white supremist undertone to it. One thing I always found amusing is the TV shows we get from the US. Fresh Prince, Cosbys etc were all black casts and if there was a white in it he was always a nerd or an idiot. Groups need to realise that they should campaign for equal rights for all not for just one side. America is a nasty racist country, many of them are almost proud of it in my experience. That racism is present on all sides imo.
Thats a pretty silly statement.
Quality post puckoon. Care to expand or even make an argument? Thats been my experience of the US and i've had extended stays in New York, LA, Chicago, St Louis and Indiana. I've had people talk about the "niggers", call basketball "nigger hoops" etc very openly as if it were a normal thing for 2 whites to talk about.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 16, 2010, 03:34:14 PM
Is that near Ashbourne?
I meant the Ashburn in William Street ;)
I have a black niece (my sister adopted her when she lived in S Africa) and i feel sorry for her when she's ready to start the secondary schools here as the majority of the Irish people are ignorant towards basically anyone that is not white and i can imagine the names she will be called at school. Although i have to say she will not be on her own as society is changing and there are more and more people from different cultures and backrounds in the schools now.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 16, 2010, 10:37:01 PM
There are some valid points in the piece although i get a feeling of a white supremist undertone to it. One thing I always found amusing is the TV shows we get from the US. Fresh Prince, Cosbys etc were all black casts and if there was a white in it he was always a nerd or an idiot. Groups need to realise that they should campaign for equal rights for all not for just one side. America is a nasty racist country, many of them are almost proud of it in my experience. That racism is present on all sides imo.
There are about 307m people in America. You say you've met many of these. What percentage are you talking about that dictates America is a nasty racist country?
Ireland has about 6m or so. Plenty of racism here, albeit ignorant.
Plenty of it about alright ONeill. It's not only in working-class communitiies either, not saying you said it was, just saying it's prevalent through society.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 16, 2010, 10:37:01 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on April 16, 2010, 08:58:46 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 16, 2010, 07:03:00 PM
There are some valid points in the piece although i get a feeling of a white supremist undertone to it. One thing I always found amusing is the TV shows we get from the US. Fresh Prince, Cosbys etc were all black casts and if there was a white in it he was always a nerd or an idiot. Groups need to realise that they should campaign for equal rights for all not for just one side. America is a nasty racist country, many of them are almost proud of it in my experience. That racism is present on all sides imo.
Thats a pretty silly statement.
Quality post puckoon. Care to expand or even make an argument? Thats been my experience of the US and i've had extended stays in New York, LA, Chicago, St Louis and Indiana. I've had people talk about the "niggers", call basketball "nigger hoops" etc very openly as if it were a normal thing for 2 whites to talk about.
I didnt think it needed expanding or argument Myles. You claimed that America is a nasty racist country and many of them are proud of it.
I think thats a ginormous generalisation and I think perhaps you got carried away with your opinion and brush stroked an entire nation. I think that is so obvious that I didnt feel the need to expand on the post.
What I will give you is that there are ignorant, intolerant, racist idiots everywhere and America is certainly no different. But I would'nt accept that America is any more nasty or racist than Ireland. Infact - for the first time ever Ireland is really experiencing immigration on a large scale and the racist attitudes that it is creating, and the racist undertones of Ireland right now are somewhat alarming.
EDIT: In all my years here, I have heard more than a few comments directed at the hispanic community - but I have never, not even once - heard any american say Nigger. Infact I am the only person that has used that word over here, and it is only when calling my friend back home who goes by that particular moniker.
Well, I have come across racism in the US but I'd have to qualify that by saying those I'm referring to are by no means representative of the general public. I have in-laws from the Cuban American community in Miami and in truth they look down on everyone else. Those people are either elderly Cubans who fled to the US when Castro took over Cuba or their direct descendants and would have come from the privileged classes over there so they only represent a minute section of American society. Still, their racism borders on antagonism where Blacks, Chinese, Mexicans and Hispanics from South America are concerned..
It doesn't matter if you are black or white or yellow etc
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 17, 2010, 12:33:35 AM
It doesn't matter if you are black or white or yellow etc
Leave Michael Jackson out of this ;)
Quote from: ONeill on April 16, 2010, 11:27:17 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 16, 2010, 10:37:01 PM
There are some valid points in the piece although i get a feeling of a white supremist undertone to it. One thing I always found amusing is the TV shows we get from the US. Fresh Prince, Cosbys etc were all black casts and if there was a white in it he was always a nerd or an idiot. Groups need to realise that they should campaign for equal rights for all not for just one side. America is a nasty racist country, many of them are almost proud of it in my experience. That racism is present on all sides imo.
There are about 307m people in America. You say you've met many of these. What percentage are you talking about that dictates America is a nasty racist country?
Ireland has about 6m or so. Plenty of racism here, albeit ignorant.
Where did I say i have met many of these people. I was stating my opinion based on what I came across in the US, nothing more. Do you carry out a survey to get percentages before you post an opinion on this board? I agree that there is racism in Ireland and that it is growing but imo the US is far worse than anywhere i have ever been.
Quote from: illdecide on April 16, 2010, 10:38:17 AM
I have been wondering about why Whites are racists, and no other race is......
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Proud to be White
Michael Richards makes his point..............
Michael Richards better known as Kramer from TVs Seinfeld does make a good point.
This was his defense speech in court after making racial comments in his comedy act. He makes some very interesting points...
Someone finally said it.. How many are actually paying attention to this? There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, etc..
And then there are just Americans. You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,' 'Whitey,' 'Caveman'... and that's OK.
But when I call you, Nigger, Kike, Towel head, Sand-nigger, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink .. You call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you... so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?
You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah. You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.
You have the NAACP. You have BET... If we had WET (White Entertainment Television), we'd be racists.. If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists.
If we had White History Month, we'd be racists.
If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance' OUR lives, we'd be racists.
We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce. Wonder who pays for that??
A white woman could not be in the Miss Black American pageant, but any color can be in the Miss America pageant.
If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships... You know we'd be racists.
There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US . Yet if there were 'White colleges', that would be a racist college.
In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists..
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.
I am proud.... But you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists??
There is nothing improper about this e-mail.. Let's see which of you are proud enough to send it on.. I sadly don't think many will. That's why we have LOST most of OUR RIGHTS in this country. We won't stand up for ourselves!
BE PROUD TO BE WHITE!
It's not a crime YET... but getting very close!
Is this man talking pure manure or has he a point?
A pile of utter, retch-inducing bollocks, which looks to me like it originated from some white supremacist chain email or something. Oh, us poor white victims!
You cannot divorce this topic from history e.g. if white people hadn't oppressed African Americans, there would never have been a need for something like the NAACP or million man marches. Black neighbourhoods can be dangerous because of poverty and its associated social problems, not because of race.
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:D :D :D
Quote from: EC Unique on April 21, 2010, 09:34:55 AM
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:D :D :D
:D aye i read that myself the other day...what a guy :D
Quote from: EC Unique on April 21, 2010, 09:34:55 AM
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:D :D :D
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