Poll
Question:
whats the greater achievement
Option 1: national league title
Option 2: 21 allireland
Option 3: same difference
working with a ballbag rossie whos on and on about the ross 21s and it being greather achievement than league any opinions ? i think that proving at senior is the greater achievement
What Roscommon achievement? Sorry, took me about ten minutes to take my eyes of your wee video there.
id far prefer an u21 all ireland than any league title other than a div 1,and if it was div1,id rate them about the same.
Quote from: Dougal on April 15, 2010, 01:49:26 PM
id far prefer an u21 all ireland than any league title other than a div 1,and if it was div1,id rate them about the same.
No underage title supercedes a senior title. Because senior level is where its at.
Mayo only won a NFL and a U-21 title in my lifetime. I'd reckon both the same really. It's senior championship where it's at really Indiana.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 15, 2010, 02:41:03 PM
Mayo only won a NFL and a U-21 title in my lifetime. I'd reckon both the same really. It's senior championship where it's at really Indiana.
I disagree. u21 is an indicator- nothing more. Senior inter county is 2 levels above u21 in terms of pace and physicality. u21 hasn't been much of an indicator for either of our counties. its an important grade- much more so then minor level don't get me wrong but after 15 years without a national title I'd love to be going to Croker to see dublin playing in the div1 final as oppose to an u21 final on May2 if we beat Roscommon. Which is a big if.
Teams that go well in the NFL usually do well in the championship. I think Mayo will show that this year.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 15, 2010, 01:51:06 PM
Quote from: Dougal on April 15, 2010, 01:49:26 PM
id far prefer an u21 all ireland than any league title other than a div 1,and if it was div1,id rate them about the same.
No underage title supercedes a senior title. Because senior level is where its at.
So the All Ireland Under-21 or Minor is not as much worth as the NFL Division 4 title?
Quote from: INDIANA on April 15, 2010, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 15, 2010, 02:41:03 PM
Mayo only won a NFL and a U-21 title in my lifetime. I'd reckon both the same really. It's senior championship where it's at really Indiana.
Teams that go well in the NFL usually do well in the championship. I think Mayo will show that this year.
Not in connaught they don't!
We topped Div 1 table in 2000 beating Donegal, Tyrone, Armagh along the way but when it came to the championship Leitrim beat us in Hyde park
In 2001 Mayo Won the league But they lost to us in the Connaught final & Westmeath after that
2007 Sligo finished mid table in Div 4 but it didn't stop them winning Connaught title
no matter what grade it is at a ALL IRELAND is always better
I would go for the All Ireland U21 tho neither mean a lot if not brought onto senior championship success.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on April 15, 2010, 03:17:51 PM
I would go for the All Ireland U21 tho neither mean a lot if not brought onto senior championship success.
i think a lot get caught up in the Senior Success if these under aged players make it as top senior players it's a extra bonus but for your team to have the best 15 at under 18, under 21 or senior players in Ireland is all that matters surely?
Fair point... is massive for the players themselve but supporters wonder why it didn't come through. But, yes to win an All Ireland minor or U21 medal is mighty and something to cherish. Minor seems to be much more prestigious.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on April 15, 2010, 03:55:59 PM
Minor seems to be much more prestigious.
Yup agreed maybe because the Under 21 Championship has only been running since 1964 while the Minor one is going since 1929?
1. AI
2. NFL Div 1
3= U21 AI
3= NFL Div 2
5. Minor AI
6. NFL Div 3
7. NFL Div 4
aye... and is on the day of the senior All Ireland final as well.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on April 15, 2010, 03:55:59 PM
Fair point... is massive for the players themselve but supporters wonder why it didn't come through. But, yes to win an All Ireland minor or U21 medal is mighty and something to cherish. Minor seems to be much more prestigious.
Minor is also played as the curtain raiser to the Senior. Under 21s are much more likely to have Senior players on the team, so Minor gets more attention.
If the Under 21 got the same attention as the latter stages of the Minor it would be a more prominent competition. It's a better competition than Minor.
I remember going to visit the late great Jimmy Murray & he showed me his junior All ireland 1940 & connaught 1943 medals i asked him where are your Senior All Ireland medals? "Aye laddie without these i wouldn't have any seniors"
*edit don't know why i typed minor
Quote from: ross4life on April 15, 2010, 04:21:05 PM
I remember going to visit the late great Jimmy Murray & he showed me his 1939 41 All ireland medals i asked him where are your Senior All Ireland medals? "Aye laddie without these i wouldn't have any seniors"
Laddie? He must have been a rite patronising old git. Loads of players have won senior All Ireland medals without winning minor ones.
Quote from: RMDrive on April 15, 2010, 04:08:51 PM
1. AI
2. NFL Div 1
3= U21 AI
3= NFL Div 2
5. Minor AI
6. NFL Div 3
7. NFL Div 4
I wouldn't agree with that at all. We won the Div 2 title in 2008 and while we were delighted to raise the cup it didn't compare to the scenes in 99 or the minors in 95 for that matter.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on April 15, 2010, 04:27:26 PM
Quote from: ross4life on April 15, 2010, 04:21:05 PM
I remember going to visit the late great Jimmy Murray & he showed me his 1939 41 All ireland medals i asked him where are your Senior All Ireland medals? "Aye laddie without these i wouldn't have any seniors"
Laddie? He must have been a rite patronising old git. Loads of players have won senior All Ireland medals without winning minor ones.
I was just going to say that. Kerry haven't won the minor since 1994 or something like that. Lads like Declan O'Sullivan and Gooch never won a minor.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on April 15, 2010, 04:27:59 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on April 15, 2010, 04:08:51 PM
1. AI
2. NFL Div 1
3= U21 AI
3= NFL Div 2
5. Minor AI
6. NFL Div 3
7. NFL Div 4
I wouldn't agree with that at all. We won the Div 2 title in 2008 and while we were delighted to raise the cup it didn't compare to the scenes in 99 or the minors in 95 for that matter.
I wouldn't put a Division 2 title above an All Ireland of any description, but I would put a senior Division 1 League title above an underage All Ireland, in terms of importance for your county.
Underage All Irelands are great, but they are only great because they hint at future senior success. (Just as Westmeath's 1995 and 99 All Irelands at Underage finally came to fruition in 2004, which was bigger than either of them).
This is self importance bullshit, who cares, comparisons cant be made, Its pointless. The 2 boys are just winding up each other in the office, with the mayo pride and roscommon pride logging horns, nothing more.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 15, 2010, 04:31:55 PM
This is self importance bullshit, who cares, comparisons cant be made, Its pointless. The 2 boys are just winding up each other in the office, with the mayo pride and roscommon pride logging horns, nothing more.
Obviously that Sligonian, but it is an interesting topic regardless of the motivation behind it.
Well mistake for typing Minor, Jimmy was a true gentleman really loved his football, the junior all ireland was a Spring board to Roscommon 1943 all ireland Success & the Connaught title won in 1943 was Roscommons first since 1914 so he had a point when he said without these he wouldn't have any seniors
I remember when we used to have arguements like that in Tyrone ;) I'm sure he was a gentleman, I was just winding you up.
1. All-Ireland Club [Senior]
2. All- Ireland County [Senior]
3. Provinciul Club [Senior]
4. County Club[ Senior]
5. Provincial County [Senior]
6. Al- Ireland U21
7. National League [Division 1]
Other national Leagues [Div 2, 3, 4] players would be too embarrassed to mention them
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 15, 2010, 04:31:55 PM
This is self importance bullshit, who cares, comparisons cant be made, Its pointless. The 2 boys are just winding up each other in the office, with the mayo pride and roscommon pride logging horns, nothing more.
well you could have talked about the one All ireland Sligo won in Junior in 1935
J. Scanlon, S. Scanlon, P. McGovern, J. Carty, M. Kennedy, O. Harte, P. Tiernan, F. Henry, M. Waters, C. Curran, P. Brennan, M. Stenson, J. O'Donnell, S. Tansey, J. Quinn
Those players must be big names in Sligo?
I'd say either U21 or NFL would put the Sligonians in raptures :D
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 15, 2010, 04:31:55 PM
This is self importance bullshit, who cares, comparisons cant be made, Its pointless. The 2 boys are just winding up each other in the office, with the mayo pride and roscommon pride logging horns, nothing more.
Volcanic ash clouds of doom and Sligonian being the calm voice of reason. Surely signs that the apocalypse is nigh.
Lads I dont acknowledge any trophy before 1982 (the year I was born) so 1935 All Ireland is meaningless to me ;)
I think its funny how much pride people put in the past before they were even born like mayo and roscommon lads. If any of us had a choice we all pick Kilkenny or Kerry to be from, your pretty much set for life then.. 8)
Rossfan wouldnt it put anyone into raptures? Id take either, but Id much rather be a Sligoman than a Rossie at present ;D.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 15, 2010, 09:53:16 PM
, but Id much rather be a Sligoman than a Rossie at present ;D.
You have no ambition Sligonian . Imagine wanting to remain a Shliiigoite all your life :'(
Wiil you dont be listening to them roscommon flutes. Back in 2006 the minor was the be all and end all. Jaysus most of them didnt know who won the u-21 that year. When reminded they just brushed it off as nothing. They win a Connacht u-21 and here we feckin go again.
Next year they will be banging on about division 4 titles and how great they are
Quote from: criostlinn on April 15, 2010, 10:18:14 PM
Wiil you dont be listening to them roscommon flutes. Back in 2006 the minor was the be all and end all. Jaysus most of them didnt know who won the u-21 that year. When reminded they just brushed it off as nothing. They win a Connacht u-21 and here we feckin go again.
Next year they will be banging on about division 4 titles and how great they are
Div4 titles, now lets be getting ahead ourselves. By my calculations it'll be 2020 until they get out of div4 :P
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 16, 2010, 12:13:19 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on April 15, 2010, 10:18:14 PM
Wiil you dont be listening to them roscommon flutes. Back in 2006 the minor was the be all and end all. Jaysus most of them didnt know who won the u-21 that year. When reminded they just brushed it off as nothing. They win a Connacht u-21 and here we feckin go again.
Next year they will be banging on about division 4 titles and how great they are
Div4 titles, now lets be getting ahead ourselves. By my calculations it'll be 2020 until they get out of div4 :P
Wouldn't be to worried about playing in Div 4 all those years! from what i hear you can still win connaught titles from there ;)
Quote from: ross4life on April 15, 2010, 04:40:11 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 15, 2010, 04:31:55 PM
This is self importance bullshit, who cares, comparisons cant be made, Its pointless. The 2 boys are just winding up each other in the office, with the mayo pride and roscommon pride logging horns, nothing more.
well you could have talked about the one All ireland Sligo won in Junior in 1935
J. Scanlon, S. Scanlon, P. McGovern, J. Carty, M. Kennedy, O. Harte, P. Tiernan, F. Henry, M. Waters, C. Curran, P. Brennan, M. Stenson, J. O'Donnell, S. Tansey, J. Quinn
Those players must be big names in Sligo?
:D
Quote from: spuds on April 15, 2010, 01:22:32 PM
working with a ballbag rossie whos on and on about the ross 21s and it being greather achievement than league any opinions ? i think that proving at senior is the greater achievement
I doubt you'll get too much hassle off him next week anyway...
In terms of the pure winning of the competition, Under 21 is better. Mayo won the league in 2001 and the U-21 in 2006 and the buzz after the U-21 was way above the NFL. Sure, the NFL might give a more immediate guide as to where you're going (not that it did for us in 2001 as someone already pointed out), but for pure enjoyment, the U-21 All-Ireland is way above it.
It's hard to beat winning an All-Ireland all right, at any level. For me the best thing about the 06 team has been watching them develop into senior players. I think something like 14 of them have played senior championship for Mayo at one point or another. Having that many players coming through at once has created fantastic competition on the senior panel and not all of those 14 have ultimately make the grade. But at least they can call themselves All Ireland winners and we don't have too many of those in these parts.
Having said that the league win was enjoyable too. Looking back probably less so because of what followed it in the next three years of championship, it was less of a pointer to the future than the under 21s. But I've never seen anyone as happy with a win as David McDonagh that day. A seriously average player at county level, that was always going to be his career highlight and he was making the most of it on the lap of honour around Croke Park.
interesting replys votin was going for 21s for bit but 22 each now with 3 same differences should of put time limit on it
tink 21s in co like mayo be more celebrated due to hunger fro championship but league is winning with the big bucks
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on April 17, 2010, 08:50:04 PM
Quote from: spuds on April 15, 2010, 01:22:32 PM
working with a ballbag rossie whos on and on about the ross 21s and it being greather achievement than league any opinions ? i think that proving at senior is the greater achievement
I doubt you'll get too much hassle off him next week anyway...
Wonder what the two boys are debating now. Perhaps, is winning the Queen of Bonniconlon bigger than winning the Rose of Castlerea?
Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on April 30, 2010, 01:31:57 AM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on April 17, 2010, 08:50:04 PM
Quote from: spuds on April 15, 2010, 01:22:32 PM
working with a ballbag rossie whos on and on about the ross 21s and it being greather achievement than league any opinions ? i think that proving at senior is the greater achievement
I doubt you'll get too much hassle off him next week anyway...
Wonder what the two boys are debating now. Perhaps, is winning the Queen of Bonniconlon bigger than winning the Rose of Castlerea?
Sure all those Bonni girls/ladies/women are bigger anyway! :D
Rose of Castlerea has now become the pig race :D
Either competition would be grand from where we're now at :-\