I see Tohill has been named manager
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8597123.stm
Seamus O'Shea, Aidan O'Shea, Trevor Howley and Andy Moran from Mayo would suit this game.
Pearse O'Neill, Eamon Fennell, Michael Shields, Colm Begley, Martin Clarke, Benny Coulter, Michael Murphy, Leighton Glynn, Paul Galvin, Cluxton Donaghy, Tomas O'Se, Bernard Brogan, David Henry, John O'Loughlin, Finian Hanley, Diarmuid Blake, Graham Canty, Joe Sheridan, Sean Cavanagh, Joe + Justin McMahon, Conor Gormley, Stephen O'Neill, Michael Meehan, D Earley,
Here's my team:
S Cluxton
C Gormley F Hanley M Shields
T O'Se Canty C Begley
S O'Shea Donaghy
L Glynn M Clarke S Cavanagh
S O'Neill M Murphy/M Meehan B Brogan
Paddy O'Shea (Cork keeper who played v derry on saturday. His kickouts to free players for the mark or short were perfect, into the chest every time, the whole game. V important for int. rules and sure David Gallagher was a bit of a wildcard in 2 years ago. Shot stopping isnt as much of an issue with the Aussies)
Ciaran McKeever
Hanley
Shields
T O'Se
Canty
Gerard O'Kane
Tadgh Kennelly
Begley
Paul Kerrigan
Setanta Ohailpin
Martin Clarke
Donaghy
Benny Coulter
Michael Meehan
Interchange:
Michael Murphy
Stevie McDonnell
John Miskella
Leighton Glynn
Joe McMahon
Killian Young
Eoin Bradley (I want to see Skinner given a shot at this ;D)
Paul Galvin
yeah!forever i can see your team getting the living sh1t kicked out of them. go to youtube gaa ultimate international rules fight compilation to see why ;) now pick your team
not one player on my team that i would be afraid of sending out. Who do you think is a weak link?? It's hard hitting but there still skill involved.
Silly comment lawnseed
you didnt see what keiran toner did to dermot early a youngster... he tossed him about like a wet bag! paul galvin wouldnt last 5 minutes and hes liable to start ww3 benny coulter simply not fit enough... taking the kids to underage but i'll get back to you. watch that youtube clip its very good
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on March 31, 2010, 04:22:20 PM
Seamus O'Shea, Aidan O'Shea, Trevor Howley and Andy Moran from Mayo would suit this game.
Andy Moran is from and supports ROSCOMMON.
He plays for the rhubarbs because it's the only county team he is eligible for under GAA rules.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2010, 06:29:42 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on March 31, 2010, 04:22:20 PM
Seamus O'Shea, Aidan O'Shea, Trevor Howley and Andy Moran from Mayo would suit this game.
Andy Moran is from and supports ROSCOMMON.
He plays for the rhubarbs because it's the only county team he is eligible for under GAA rules.
Cry me a river.
God I forgot how much I dislike this shambles of a game.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on March 31, 2010, 06:38:14 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2010, 06:29:42 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on March 31, 2010, 04:22:20 PM
Seamus O'Shea, Aidan O'Shea, Trevor Howley and Andy Moran from Mayo would suit this game.
Andy Moran is from and supports ROSCOMMON.
He plays for the rhubarbs because it's the only county team he is eligible for under GAA rules.
Cry me a river.
Just correcting an error.
I'll leave the crying to ye lads ...ye have lots of practice.
jaysus Rossfan could you be anymore pathetic?
I forgot to include Pearse Hanley another Mayo man and Tadgh Kennelly of course. Both could fit into the team in the half-forwards.
cant wait for this, october will be all the better for it. whats the betting this will be the first time the gaelic grounds in limerick will be sold out? and croke park gets another great crowd which will be much appreciated as soccer and rugby will be gone. tohill is the perfect man for the job
Quote from: whiskeysteve on March 31, 2010, 04:54:07 PM
Paddy O'Shea (Cork keeper who played v derry on saturday. His kickouts to free players for the mark or short were perfect, into the chest every time, the whole game. V important for int. rules and sure David Gallagher was a bit of a wildcard in 2 years ago. Shot stopping isnt as much of an issue with the Aussies)
Ciaran McKeever
Hanley
Shields
T O'Se
Canty
Gerard O'Kane
Tadgh Kennelly
Begley
Paul Kerrigan
Setanta Ohailpin
Martin Clarke
Donaghy
Benny Coulter
Michael Meehan
Interchange:
Michael Murphy
Stevie McDonnell
John Miskella
Leighton Glynn
Joe McMahon
Killian Young
Eoin Bradley (I want to see Skinner given a shot at this ;D)
Paul Galvin
No place for the best player in the country (Cavanagh)?
Lawnseed. Thanks for youtube clip. Forgot how brutal some of the incidents were. When I saw the Gooch I smirked when I thought of his retirement statement immediately after the game. It really is a man's game, not for the fainthearted.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2010, 06:46:05 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on March 31, 2010, 06:38:14 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2010, 06:29:42 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on March 31, 2010, 04:22:20 PM
Seamus O'Shea, Aidan O'Shea, Trevor Howley and Andy Moran from Mayo would suit this game.
Andy Moran is from and supports ROSCOMMON.
He plays for the rhubarbs because it's the only county team he is eligible for under GAA rules.
Cry me a river.
Just correcting an error.
I'll leave the crying to ye lads ...ye have lots of practice.
I know. We were crying with laughter when we saw the Division 3 table on Sunday night.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on March 31, 2010, 07:17:47 PM
jaysus Rossfan could you be anymore pathetic?
I forgot to include Pearse Hanley another Mayo man and Tadgh Kennelly of course. Both could fit into the team in the half-forwards.
Hanley is a ROSCOMMON man ;)
I'd say they couldn't get far enough away from Roscommon football at the moment!
pick a team of the dirtiest hoors you can find. Who cares about winning this anyway?
what we want is revenge for Chris Johnson and co's assault on our players a few years ago.
Once we get that,we can just discontinue this rubbish series.
no bother woodie its class and really well put together the music is perfect as well, geezer is just as nasty when its put to him... wouldn't like to get on the wrong side of him, Sean Marty not soft either i believe he's very a handy boxer. cairan McDonald certainly was singled out for treatment not to mention gerraty. after watching this afew times you realise team selection is vital, players from weaker counties deserve a chance but getting knocked out of the championship early leaves them rusty and the Aussies simply run them into the ground. one of these games should have gone to casement park
mcdonald took the beating and got up, animal of a player
ciaran is a legend his passing and vision are required viewing for anyone coaching at any level, but what teams playing mayo quickly found out is that there was no plan B on the days when he was being tightly marshalled, the Aussies singled him out because of his appearance thinking he was soft. in fairness most of the lads in the video are doing their best. hard to see tohill putting out a team without a strong Derry contingent. the bradleys are a shoe in
Anthony should know what type of player to go for. Looking at youtube clips, physicality along with speed is a must. While Paddy Bradley is deadly accurate on his day, not so sure that Rules game would be his day. Would he have the stomach for it?
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on March 31, 2010, 07:31:33 PM
Quote from: whiskeysteve on March 31, 2010, 04:54:07 PM
Paddy O'Shea (Cork keeper who played v derry on saturday. His kickouts to free players for the mark or short were perfect, into the chest every time, the whole game. V important for int. rules and sure David Gallagher was a bit of a wildcard in 2 years ago. Shot stopping isnt as much of an issue with the Aussies)
Ciaran McKeever
Hanley
Shields
T O'Se
Canty
Gerard O'Kane
Tadgh Kennelly
Begley
Paul Kerrigan
Setanta Ohailpin
Martin Clarke
Donaghy
Benny Coulter
Michael Meehan
Interchange:
Michael Murphy
Stevie McDonnell
John Miskella
Leighton Glynn
Joe McMahon
Killian Young
Eoin Bradley (I want to see Skinner given a shot at this ;D)
Paul Galvin
No place for the best player in the country (Cavanagh)?
Forgot about Colm Cavanagh. Aye lump him in full forward
i'd be fairly certain that Tohill will avoid having too many Derry players in his panel. He won't want the bias talk. While there may be quite a few Derry players in the running i wouldn't expect anymore than 2 making it.
I think the Series has changed and alot of the physicality has been curbed. There will still be some big big hits and the odd cheap shot but the Aussies know they can't go overboard or Ireland will pull out. When played properly it is good to watch. Nice to see some of the top quality players linking up.
P.S. It really is a shame the Inter-provincials aren't run properly. It has such potential. To have 4 teams made up of the best players from their respective provinces facing up to each other is quite appealing. Sean Cavanagh, Paddy Bradley, Stephen McDonnell, Michael Murphy, Benny Coulter & Tommy Freeman. They could be playing together as a forward line facing: Michael Shields, Tom O'Sullivan, Marc O'Se, Graham Canty, Tomas O'Se & John McCarthy
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its a good chance to see all the fellas with little big man syndrome get the head knock off them paul galvin,ricey,keiran mckeever,pauric clancy,star,kevin cassidy i see a team forming here big anto take note
Quote from: woodie on March 31, 2010, 11:52:17 PM
Anthony should know what type of player to go for. Looking at youtube clips, physicality along with speed is a must. While Paddy Bradley is deadly accurate on his day, not so sure that Rules game would be his day. Would he have the stomach for it?
I'm pretty sure he played in the last campaign and had a modicum of success.
I hope Connor Gormley and Ciaran McKeever are picked anyway, would love to see if they are as hard as they think they are.
Quote from: Master Yoda on April 01, 2010, 09:50:23 AM
I hope Connor Gormley and Ciaran McKeever are picked anyway, would love to see if they are as hard as they think they are.
You not watch it last time?
Quote from: lawnseed on March 31, 2010, 05:39:31 PM
you didnt see what keiran toner did to dermot early a youngster... he tossed him about like a wet bag! paul galvin wouldnt last 5 minutes and hes liable to start ww3 benny coulter simply not fit enough... taking the kids to underage but i'll get back to you. watch that youtube clip its very good
You nearly had me there and then I looked at the date...you were a day early but a good effort all the same.
I see in todays Irish News that Tohill has already decided to include some of the talent closer to home in the shape of Swatragh clubmate Ruari Convery:
NEW SKYSCRAPER ON THE HORIZON
6'6" Swatragh forward Ruari Convery could be a surprise inclusion in Anthony Tohill's squad for the 2010 International Rules Series in Australia.
Although yet to make his championship debut for Derry, the 25-year-old target man has played for Derry Under-21's and at midfield on the All-Ireland winning Derry minor team of 2002. According to Swatragh manager Eamon Kavanagh he was firmly in the thoughts of Tohill for the squad for Octobers clash against Australia.
''Anthony rang me first thing on Monday morning to ask me about Ruairis form in training. He thinks his style of play will be uniquely suited to the compromise rules, taking marks in particular, and I would have to agree. The man is a savage fielder of the ball''
Tohill, 39, played club football for Swatragh earning him the alias 'The Swatragh Skyscraper' after years of midfield dominance for club and county. Tyrone man, Kavanagh, believes Convery could have a similar impact.
"I'd say Ruari would be a similar player to Anthony in many ways, in fact we like to think of him as 'The Towering Inferno' round Swatragh'' he said laughingly.
very good whiskeysteve :D :D :D
great day for the swa, proud honour for the club and my idol of course...hopefully he will do the business!
would be good if tohill could get ruari back playing ball as things aren't looking great but this is niether the time nor the place
congratulations sir
Any word on what Anthony is getting paid for this???
QuoteAny word on what Anthony is getting paid for this???
None of your business regardless. What kind of a question is that to ask?
Think BHMan is right, a couple of dirty Junior B footballers wouldn't go amiss... One of them must be named the Bomber and had a soft spot for stout and whiskey...
Funny that of the teams thrown up no one included Tommy Walsh. Sure we must have nearly a full 15 of lads who are/were in the AFL, however briefly.
I noticed too that a selection from North Dublin schools beat an Aussie school team playing one half as international rules and the second with the oval ball. They won both halves as well. Would it be too much to ask of our seniors to try the same??
Hope it,s a real good battering session again. Yee haa ;D
Sorry about this and I shouldn't be doing the Gaoth Dobhair Abú on it and posting when I'm ... ehhh ... under the weather, but who really gives a f**k?
Swatragh must be some spot what with skyscrapers and towering infernos.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on April 01, 2010, 06:48:56 PM
QuoteAny word on what Anthony is getting paid for this???
None of your business regardless. What kind of a question is that to ask?
Perfectly legitimate question. Why shouldn't I ask? So do you know or are you a flat-earther who thinks he isn't getting paid?
Quote from: Puckoon on April 01, 2010, 08:27:47 PM
Swatragh must be some spot what with skyscrapers and towering infernos.
aaaaah, NO! More like the hamlet that kept the Lada corporation in business in the '70s and '80s.
Quote from: thejuice on April 01, 2010, 07:10:27 PM
Funny that of the teams thrown up no one included Tommy Walsh. Sure we must have nearly a full 15 of lads who are/were in the AFL, however briefly.
I noticed too that a selection from North Dublin schools beat an Aussie school team playing one half as international rules and the second with the oval ball. They won both halves as well. Would it be too much to ask of our seniors to try the same??
id love to see ireland try the oval ball, alot of guys have played rugby and would be familiar with it
I wouldn't think too many GAA players from Ulster would have used an oval ball. The round ball is to Ireland's advantage. The physicality permitted in the tackle suits the Aussies. While a 'free for all' can be entertaining, adds to the atmosphere/animosity, Ireland will only win playing football. Does many people really care who wins? or do we watch to see the scuffles???
Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2010, 09:50:25 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on March 31, 2010, 07:17:47 PM
jaysus Rossfan could you be anymore pathetic?
I forgot to include Pearse Hanley another Mayo man and Tadgh Kennelly of course. Both could fit into the team in the half-forwards.
Hanley is a ROSCOMMON MAYO man ;)
Fixed that for ya.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2010, 06:29:42 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on March 31, 2010, 04:22:20 PM
Seamus O'Shea, Aidan O'Shea, Trevor Howley and Andy Moran from Mayo would suit this game.
Andy Moran is from and supports ROSCOMMON MAYO.
He plays for the rhubarbs because it's the only county team he is eligible for under GAA rules.
Fixed that for ya.
Quote from: magickingdom on April 02, 2010, 07:19:37 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 01, 2010, 07:10:27 PM
Funny that of the teams thrown up no one included Tommy Walsh. Sure we must have nearly a full 15 of lads who are/were in the AFL, however briefly.
I noticed too that a selection from North Dublin schools beat an Aussie school team playing one half as international rules and the second with the oval ball. They won both halves as well. Would it be too much to ask of our seniors to try the same??
id love to see ireland try the oval ball, alot of guys have played rugby and would be familiar with it
Ireland would be completely destroyed, i would be surprised if they even scored with the oval ball.
Quote from: hardstation on April 02, 2010, 11:45:58 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 02, 2010, 11:43:36 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on April 02, 2010, 07:19:37 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 01, 2010, 07:10:27 PM
Funny that of the teams thrown up no one included Tommy Walsh. Sure we must have nearly a full 15 of lads who are/were in the AFL, however briefly.
I noticed too that a selection from North Dublin schools beat an Aussie school team playing one half as international rules and the second with the oval ball. They won both halves as well. Would it be too much to ask of our seniors to try the same??
id love to see ireland try the oval ball, alot of guys have played rugby and would be familiar with it
Ireland would be completely destroyed, i would be surprised if they even scored with the oval ball.
Not even a point? Jaysus...
Didn't stop us scoring back in the 1980's
I'd imagine Brendan Murphy might have a good chance of getting on this. After being over there for 2 years with Sydney Swans, since he came back playing great stuff for Carlow he should be considered.
Also Thomas Walsh who has been with Wicklow for past 3 years, but as of next week is going to be a Carlow player again finally...he is the type of player who would suit this too.
Quote from: JimStynes on April 02, 2010, 11:43:36 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on April 02, 2010, 07:19:37 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 01, 2010, 07:10:27 PM
Funny that of the teams thrown up no one included Tommy Walsh. Sure we must have nearly a full 15 of lads who are/were in the AFL, however briefly.
I noticed too that a selection from North Dublin schools beat an Aussie school team playing one half as international rules and the second with the oval ball. They won both halves as well. Would it be too much to ask of our seniors to try the same??
id love to see ireland try the oval ball, alot of guys have played rugby and would be familiar with it
Ireland would be completely destroyed, i would be surprised if they even scored with the oval ball.
are you surprised a lot? ;)
this game is supposed to be Aussie rules v gaa. tommy Walsh, kinelly and the rest of the Irish lads are Australian rules professionals and i think that should rule them out. whats the point of it if its going to turn into a game of Aussie rules players against each other. there an Aussie guy who's a contributer on talksport cant stand it when the English fella throws it up to him about the Irish farmers/footballers beating the cream of Aussie athletes. funny thing is the English lad has never saw the game played hasn't a clue what hes talking about but it drives the Aussie nuts :)
Quote from: lawnseed on April 03, 2010, 05:31:02 PM
this game is supposed to be Aussie rules v gaa. tommy Walsh, kinelly and the rest of the Irish lads are Australian rules professionals and i think that should rule them out. whats the point of it if its going to turn into a game of Aussie rules players against each other. there an Aussie guy who's a contributer on talksport cant stand it when the English fella throws it up to him about the Irish farmers/footballers beating the cream of Aussie athletes. funny thing is the English lad has never saw the game played hasn't a clue what hes talking about but it drives the Aussie nuts :)
No it's not, it's Ireland v Australia in a game of Compromise Rules - big difference
I'm bald Celt man so Ive no hairs to split with you, the main attraction of the game if you read my post certainly to the outsider is that its that its a pro-am series, neither sport is a recognised international game. apart from this makey uppy game neither code has the chance to play internationally. (unless your the dup minister for sport) once a player starts playing Aussie rules they are paid professionals and part of that set up, if we take it to your logical conclusion we'd be drafting in rugby lads and soccer fellas just because they're Irish and could help us to win. I'd prefer it if the players representing the gaa and ireland were actually our players and not mercenaries PAID to come here and play. we only look for lads from england to play soccer because we don't have fellas here good enough. we certainly don't have a problem gathering up a team of gaa players
Details of this years International rules series have been announced with The Irish Daily Mail becoming the new sponsors after Coca-Cola Bottlers Ireland confirmed to the GAA that they are not continuing as sponsor for the International Rules Series in Ireland.
Also RTE will only have highlights and Radio coverage after TG4 have been confirmed as this years broadcasters.
More to follow
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/06/01/rte-lose-coverage-rites-of-international-rules-series-23rd-october-30th-october-2010/
Quote from: GAA_Punter on June 01, 2010, 01:58:06 PM
Details of this years International rules series have been announced with The Irish Daily Mail becoming the new sponsors after Coca-Cola Bottlers Ireland confirmed to the GAA that they are not continuing as sponsor for the International Rules Series in Ireland.
Also RTE will only have highlights and Radio coverage after TG4 have been confirmed as this years broadcasters.
More to follow
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/06/01/rte-lose-coverage-rites-of-international-rules-series-23rd-october-30th-october-2010/
good work. thought it would have been tough to find a sponser in this era
i cant believe the gaa have given the rights to tg4, the thing needs all the promotion it gets.
Wouldn't getting the fans in through the gate willl be the promotion goal?
After that, then if it's TG4 then no probs. RTE will have late night highlights I'm sure.
I wonder if the Aussies will call up Israel Falou for the IR series. Folau, a current Brisbane Broncos, Queensland and Australian rugby league player, has reported been signed by the AFL to play for the West Sydney AFL expansion side due to join the AFL competition. Folau is reportedly getting paid $AUD 4-6 million for a four year deal which is more than most, if not all, current AFL players make. Folau has never played the game but is seen as marketing tool to recruit the large Polynesian population based in Western Sydney to AFL.
Quote from: HeaveHo on June 02, 2010, 02:51:05 AM
I wonder if the Aussies will call up Israel Falou for the IR series. Folau, a current Brisbane Broncos, Queensland and Australian rugby league player, has reported been signed by the AFL to play for the West Sydney AFL expansion side due to join the AFL competition. Folau is reportedly getting paid $AUD 4-6 million for a four year deal which is more than most, if not all, current AFL players make. Folau has never played the game but is seen as marketing tool to recruit the large Polynesian population based in Western Sydney to AFL.
No he won't be playing, West Sydney aren't due to enter the AFL until 2012. I think he's due to finish out the rest of the season with the Broncos...
Quote from: HeaveHo on June 02, 2010, 02:51:05 AM
I wonder if the Aussies will call up Israel Falou for the IR series. Folau, a current Brisbane Broncos, Queensland and Australian rugby league player, has reported been signed by the AFL to play for the West Sydney AFL expansion side due to join the AFL competition. Folau is reportedly getting paid $AUD 4-6 million for a four year deal which is more than most, if not all, current AFL players make. Folau has never played the game but is seen as marketing tool to recruit the large Polynesian population based in Western Sydney to AFL.
Thats the key. He's still a NRL player so wont be involved.
(Just saw your post ballinaman, dammit!)
Very interesting article with Tohill where he said the biggest risk of us losing is that we can't kick the ball properly anymore...
I'm not sure that is a fair criticism of our players, I don't see any major deterioration in our kicking abilities from years gone by. IMO we were never all that well able to kick the ball accurately and more importantly we rarely work on timing the kick and the run from the forward or on what areas we should be kicking to.
Tohill's point isn't a bad one but the biggest danger to losing the match is if the Aussies decide to play at anything greater than the half-aggression we force them to limit themselves to, in order to even out the contest and stop it from being an annihilation.
We don't kick the ball well, that's one thing, but another is that we've gone down the soccer route and over sanitised our own game to the point where anyone ending up on he ground gets a free 80% of the time. We could handle Aussie aggression back in the 80s due to a combination of them being only semi-pro at the time and us being a hell of a lot tougher than we are now. As it stands, I really don't think any series where one team has to play at half-tilt so as not to steamroll the other is in any way viable. I used to really enjoy it but not any more.
Aussies are taking it serious enough I hear....
I heard the Aussie coach, Malthouse I think it is?, flew a former Ulster GAA coach down to Melbourne for week to help plan and prepare their training program for when they come together.
Some nice footage here of past international rules glory!
http://gaabeo.wordpress.com/2010/07/20/ireland-v-australia-international-rules/
Only way to reign in the Aussies (agressionwise) is to carry any suspensions into next season's AFL season.
When I was in Oz, they (the AFL public) didn't care a whit about this mongrel of a game. Varely covered in Melbourne papers (it was all Cricket).
Personally think the series should be done way with............. maybe the McAnallen trophy could be given instead to theYPoTY or man of the Match in AIF.
I too wish we'd get rid of this awful shite.
What's it for?
Quote from: Zulu on June 02, 2010, 03:38:18 PM
I'm not sure that is a fair criticism of our players, I don't see any major deterioration in our kicking abilities from years gone by. IMO we were never all that well able to kick the ball accurately and more importantly we rarely work on timing the kick and the run from the forward or on what areas we should be kicking to.
The mark completely changes the nature of the kicking game.
Our game requires that the ball is kicked into space.
Their game requires that the ball is kicked directly to the forward.
A good pass in gaelic football is not necessarily a good pass in aussie rules and vice versa.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 11, 2010, 12:30:27 PM
Quote from: Zulu on June 02, 2010, 03:38:18 PM
I'm not sure that is a fair criticism of our players, I don't see any major deterioration in our kicking abilities from years gone by. IMO we were never all that well able to kick the ball accurately and more importantly we rarely work on timing the kick and the run from the forward or on what areas we should be kicking to.
The mark completely changes the nature of the kicking game.
Our game requires that the ball is kicked into space.
Their game requires that the ball is kicked directly to the forward.
A good pass in gaelic football is not necessarily a good pass in aussie rules and vice versa.
Yes but it doesn't matter what type of kicking is required you should be able to kick it to the right place....Their game is more for the ball to be kicked to where the forward will be in front of the defender in a period of time as its more about leading to the ball than having it kicked on top of you...
Quote from: Hardy on August 11, 2010, 12:21:16 PM
I too wish we'd get rid of this awful shite.
What's it for?
Here's a few reasons to keep it:
1) Gives players from smaller counties a chance to play along with top players and get more exposure.
2) Provides coverage of our players at a time of the year when the media is dominated by soccer and rugby
3) The players enjoy it and get a few perks for taking part
4) People complain about Croke Park sitting empty in the off season, why not attract a big crowd to it to watch our own players and at the same time make some money out of it.
5) A lot of people obviously enjoy it and hence the decent attendances in the past in Ireland.
6) Gives our own top players the opportunity to compete against top professional players from another sport
I'm aware some people don't like it but no one is asking them to watch it. I hate the way people are straight on these threads saying they hate the game.
Redhand Santa, I think we are quiet entitled to our opinions (as are you).
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 11, 2010, 03:54:33 PM
I hate the way people are straight on these threads saying they hate the game.
That's tough. I don't mind you liking it at all. It's a free country.
It is an incredibly boring 'sport' in fairness.
Have to say I don't find it boring at all. Granted you wouldn't get the same "interest" you might get from a gaa game involving your county/ club but I have to admit enjoying it whenever it's on!
Quote from: Hardy on August 11, 2010, 04:29:21 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 11, 2010, 03:54:33 PM
I hate the way people are straight on these threads saying they hate the game.
That's tough. I don't mind you liking it at all. It's a free country.
My problem was more with you looking rid of it as opposed to not liking it. If I don't like something I generally ignore it as opposed to shouting looking rid of it. Why should people who do like it miss out because others don't like it? The crowds at the games will prove their is interest in it.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 11, 2010, 06:08:48 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 11, 2010, 04:29:21 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 11, 2010, 03:54:33 PM
I hate the way people are straight on these threads saying they hate the game.
That's tough. I don't mind you liking it at all. It's a free country.
My problem was more with you looking rid of it as opposed to not liking it. If I don't like something I generally ignore it as opposed to shouting looking rid of it. Why should people who do like it miss out because others don't like it? The crowds at the games will prove their is interest in it.
That's a good point. I can only say I want rid of it for more reasons than simply not liking it. Principally, I think it's dangerous to pit amateur players against professionals in any contact sport. It's even more dangerous when the amateurs are the ones unskilled and untrained in the main physical aspect of the sport - the tackle. Gaelic players don't naturally brace themselves for a physical hit other than a shoulder when in possession. To take a full body tackle unbraced could be very dangerous. And that's not even to mention the illegal hits that pervade this game. I came to that conclusion when I thought for a few minutes that Graham Geraghty had had his neck broken in Croke Park a few years ago.
This has nothing to do with manliness vs. softness or anything of that sort. I have no doubt we could muster up a team of hardchaws who could out-savage the Australians. I'm talking about the dangers of unexpected hits on players who are untrained in taking them and unready for them. It's a bit like asking a team of cricketers to take on a team of hurlers in a hurling match and expecting them to take naturally to shoulder charges, overhead swings and hand-breaking pulls which is something they're not used to as they run up to bowl the ball. They wouldn't have the first clue about maxims every hurler learns at under-8 - get in close, don't pull out, hip-to-hip, shield your hand, etc.
As well as that I don't see any benefit for the GAA in contacts with a commercial sports-entertainment business on the far side of the world, whose only interest in the whole thing seems to be to better facilitate the poaching of our best talent.
Also, I don't think we can learn anything or derive any benefit from fraternising with a "sporting" culture whose values and ethos are wildly at variance with our own, as evidenced in everything from the contrasting demeanours of the two sets of players to the aspects of the respective games that the rival supporters treasure.
Quote from: Hardy on August 11, 2010, 07:18:26 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 11, 2010, 06:08:48 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 11, 2010, 04:29:21 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 11, 2010, 03:54:33 PM
I hate the way people are straight on these threads saying they hate the game.
That's tough. I don't mind you liking it at all. It's a free country.
My problem was more with you looking rid of it as opposed to not liking it. If I don't like something I generally ignore it as opposed to shouting looking rid of it. Why should people who do like it miss out because others don't like it? The crowds at the games will prove their is interest in it.
That's a good point. I can only say I want rid of it for more reasons than simply not liking it. Principally, I think it's dangerous to pit amateur players against professionals in any contact sport. It's even more dangerous when the amateurs are the ones unskilled and untrained in the main physical aspect of the sport - the tackle. Gaelic players don't naturally brace themselves for a physical hit other than a shoulder when in possession. To take a full body tackle unbraced could be very dangerous. And that's not even to mention the illegal hits that pervade this game. I came to that conclusion when I thought for a few minutes that Graham Geraghty had had his neck broken in Croke Park a few years ago.
This has nothing to do with manliness vs. softness or anything of that sort. I have no doubt we could muster up a team of hardchaws who could out-savage the Australians. I'm talking about the dangers of unexpected hits on players who are untrained in taking them and unready for them. It's a bit like asking a team of cricketers to take on a team of hurlers in a hurling match and expecting them to take naturally to shoulder charges, overhead swings and hand-breaking pulls which is something they're not used to as they run up to bowl the ball. They wouldn't have the first clue about maxims every hurler learns at under-8 - get in close, don't pull out, hip-to-hip, shield your hand, etc.
As well as that I don't see any benefit for the GAA in contacts with a commercial sports-entertainment business on the far side of the world, whose only interest in the whole thing seems to be to better facilitate the poaching of our best talent.
Also, I don't think we can learn anything or derive any benefit from fraternising with a "sporting" culture whose values and ethos are wildly at variance with our own, as evidenced in everything from the contrasting demeanours of the two sets of players to the aspects of the respective games that the rival supporters treasure.
Great points all of which I agree with. I would add that it's not even a game. It's a clobbered together bastardised mess. The only thing however is that the players are very positive about it and they are entitled to international representation I suppose.
Some interesting points Hardy, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on what aspects of AFL, their supporters treasure, that GAA fans mightn't necessarily treasure.
Quote from: qz on August 12, 2010, 02:29:39 PM
Some interesting points Hardy, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on what aspects of AFL, their supporters treasure, that GAA fans mightn't necessarily treasure.
What I had in mind was all the pseudo-macho stuff - "big hits" and how they're gloried in and all the would-be hard man strutting and posing and the general impression that they value power, strength and hard-chaw stuff more than skill and technique.
I was always put off by the glorification of cowardly blind-side hitting that seems endemic in their game. I don't know if it's changed as I haven't watched it in a good while and I hear they've cleaned it up a bit, but you used to hear their commentators and spectators screaming approval at what they'd call a big hit but was usually some fella being taken out in sneaky fashion when he wasn't looking or shouldered into the front when he was open for it. That kind of stuff is actually some of the most cowardly hitting you can do, as you protect yourself while exploiting the victim's unpreparedness. I'd call a man hard if he exposed himself to hurt - e.g. face his opponent front-to-front. If you turn your shoulder into the opponent's exposed front when he's not ready for it, you're a coward, not a hard man.
Anyway, what I was suggesting was that in as much as you can generalise, GAA people appreciate skill, sportsmanship and technique more than strength, power and hitting and AFL supporters are the opposite.
As well as that, I've always been taken with the contrast in how the Australian and Irish teams in IR conduct themselves. The Aussie players come across as brash, self-absorbed, cocky and bombastic while the GAA player's stock in trade is typically understatement, self-effacement and modesty. It's just an impression, but it's an impression of two sporting cultures entirely at variance with each other.
Tohill will have to be picking squads for the international rules shortly won't he?
Quote from: Hardy on August 12, 2010, 03:12:38 PM
Quote from: qz on August 12, 2010, 02:29:39 PM
Some interesting points Hardy, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on what aspects of AFL, their supporters treasure, that GAA fans mightn't necessarily treasure.
What I had in mind was all the pseudo-macho stuff - "big hits" and how they're gloried in and all the would-be hard man strutting and posing and the general impression that they value power, strength and hard-chaw stuff more than skill and technique.
I was always put off by the glorification of cowardly blind-side hitting that seems endemic in their game. I don't know if it's changed as I haven't watched it in a good while and I hear they've cleaned it up a bit, but you used to hear their commentators and spectators screaming approval at what they'd call a big hit but was usually some fella being taken out in sneaky fashion when he wasn't looking or shouldered into the front when he was open for it. That kind of stuff is actually some of the most cowardly hitting you can do, as you protect yourself while exploiting the victim's unpreparedness. I'd call a man hard if he exposed himself to hurt - e.g. face his opponent front-to-front. If you turn your shoulder into the opponent's exposed front when he's not ready for it, you're a coward, not a hard man.
Anyway, what I was suggesting was that in as much as you can generalise, GAA people appreciate skill, sportsmanship and technique more than strength, power and hitting and AFL supporters are the opposite.
As well as that, I've always been taken with the contrast in how the Australian and Irish teams in IR conduct themselves. The Aussie players come across as brash, self-absorbed, cocky and bombastic while the GAA player's stock in trade is typically understatement, self-effacement and modesty. It's just an impression, but it's an impression of two sporting cultures entirely at variance with each other.
There's a few cowards in the GAA to I'd say you agree then, like the no. 9 on 2 minutes in this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNAQbp_vRv4&NR=1
or the defender in this clip holding a man down, then standing on his head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcdB0RCtDe8
The Afl fans love their skill as much as we do, especially a great high mark or a long distance kick between the posts, much the same as ourselves. The similarities in what fans treasure are closer than what you suggest, i think.
I agree QZ, the notion that amateur's=good manly players that all shake hands after the game and go for pints VS Bad inbred convicts who get paid too much and rape girls whilst high 5'ing their team mates wears pretty thin. While I can understand why Hardy has the impression of the pseudo-macho stuff it's no worse then I've seen in Junior club games in Mayo.
I enjoy the spectacle, but I go to AFL games regularly so I'm probably biased.
Edit: Just realised that you've highlighted 2 Meath "incidents" in your Youtube clips
* Backs slowly out of the room *
Quote from: qz on August 13, 2010, 11:49:10 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 12, 2010, 03:12:38 PM
Quote from: qz on August 12, 2010, 02:29:39 PM
Some interesting points Hardy, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on what aspects of AFL, their supporters treasure, that GAA fans mightn't necessarily treasure.
What I had in mind was all the pseudo-macho stuff - "big hits" and how they're gloried in and all the would-be hard man strutting and posing and the general impression that they value power, strength and hard-chaw stuff more than skill and technique.
I was always put off by the glorification of cowardly blind-side hitting that seems endemic in their game. I don't know if it's changed as I haven't watched it in a good while and I hear they've cleaned it up a bit, but you used to hear their commentators and spectators screaming approval at what they'd call a big hit but was usually some fella being taken out in sneaky fashion when he wasn't looking or shouldered into the front when he was open for it. That kind of stuff is actually some of the most cowardly hitting you can do, as you protect yourself while exploiting the victim's unpreparedness. I'd call a man hard if he exposed himself to hurt - e.g. face his opponent front-to-front. If you turn your shoulder into the opponent's exposed front when he's not ready for it, you're a coward, not a hard man.
Anyway, what I was suggesting was that in as much as you can generalise, GAA people appreciate skill, sportsmanship and technique more than strength, power and hitting and AFL supporters are the opposite.
As well as that, I've always been taken with the contrast in how the Australian and Irish teams in IR conduct themselves. The Aussie players come across as brash, self-absorbed, cocky and bombastic while the GAA player's stock in trade is typically understatement, self-effacement and modesty. It's just an impression, but it's an impression of two sporting cultures entirely at variance with each other.
There's a few cowards in the GAA to I'd say you agree then, like the no. 9 on 2 minutes in this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNAQbp_vRv4&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNAQbp_vRv4&NR=1)
or the defender in this clip holding a man down, then standing on his head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcdB0RCtDe8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcdB0RCtDe8)
The Afl fans love their skill as much as we do, especially a great high mark or a long distance kick between the posts, much the same as ourselves. The similarities in what fans treasure are closer than what you suggest, i think.
Our opinions differ - no issue. I didn't bother looking at your clips as, if they're presented as instances of something untoward in GAA games, I don't see their relevance to my suggestion that the incidence of this type of thing is higher in AFL and that the AFL fans seem to like it. The murder rate in Johannesburg is greater than that in Cork. I wouldn't attempt to disprove that by posting two links to news stories showing there had been two murders in Cork at some stage or another.
Stephenite - my substantive point is that the cowardly hits and thuggery are (or were when I was more familiar with it) glorified in the AFL culture, by fans and commentators. You must have noticed the roaring approval by commentators at "shirtfronts" and you won't have to look long at clips of the International Rules games to hear the Aussie commentators getting orgasmic over the street-fighting when it starts.
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2010, 12:13:06 PM
Quote from: qz on August 13, 2010, 11:49:10 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 12, 2010, 03:12:38 PM
Quote from: qz on August 12, 2010, 02:29:39 PM
Some interesting points Hardy, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on what aspects of AFL, their supporters treasure, that GAA fans mightn't necessarily treasure.
What I had in mind was all the pseudo-macho stuff - "big hits" and how they're gloried in and all the would-be hard man strutting and posing and the general impression that they value power, strength and hard-chaw stuff more than skill and technique.
I was always put off by the glorification of cowardly blind-side hitting that seems endemic in their game. I don't know if it's changed as I haven't watched it in a good while and I hear they've cleaned it up a bit, but you used to hear their commentators and spectators screaming approval at what they'd call a big hit but was usually some fella being taken out in sneaky fashion when he wasn't looking or shouldered into the front when he was open for it. That kind of stuff is actually some of the most cowardly hitting you can do, as you protect yourself while exploiting the victim's unpreparedness. I'd call a man hard if he exposed himself to hurt - e.g. face his opponent front-to-front. If you turn your shoulder into the opponent's exposed front when he's not ready for it, you're a coward, not a hard man.
Anyway, what I was suggesting was that in as much as you can generalise, GAA people appreciate skill, sportsmanship and technique more than strength, power and hitting and AFL supporters are the opposite.
As well as that, I've always been taken with the contrast in how the Australian and Irish teams in IR conduct themselves. The Aussie players come across as brash, self-absorbed, cocky and bombastic while the GAA player's stock in trade is typically understatement, self-effacement and modesty. It's just an impression, but it's an impression of two sporting cultures entirely at variance with each other.
There's a few cowards in the GAA to I'd say you agree then, like the no. 9 on 2 minutes in this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNAQbp_vRv4&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNAQbp_vRv4&NR=1)
or the defender in this clip holding a man down, then standing on his head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcdB0RCtDe8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcdB0RCtDe8)
The Afl fans love their skill as much as we do, especially a great high mark or a long distance kick between the posts, much the same as ourselves. The similarities in what fans treasure are closer than what you suggest, i think.
Our opinions differ - no issue. I didn't bother looking at your clips as, if they're presented as instances of something untoward in GAA games, I don't see their relevance to my suggestion that the incidence of this type of thing is higher in AFL and that the AFL fans seem to like it. The murder rate in Johannesburg is greater than that in Cork. I wouldn't attempt to disprove that by posting two links to news stories showing there had been two murders in Cork at some stage or another.
Stephenite - my substantive point is that the cowardly hits and thuggery are (or were when I was more familiar with it) glorified in the AFL culture, by fans and commentators. You must have noticed the roaring approval by commentators at "shirtfronts" and you won't have to look long at clips of the International Rules games to hear the Aussie commentators getting orgasmic over the street-fighting when it starts.
I don't necessarily disagree that your opinion is wrong per se, that culture of yahooing the biggest hit from behind is still there to a certain extent. But of the games I've attended with those who are more familair with the game (I'm based in Sydney and it's not the "local" sport) it's frowned upon, massively.
But I still maintain that this culture also exists in our own games to a certain extent, perhaps not as much. I remember all too well the deafening roars of approval that went up went Meath and Mayo went head to head in '96 and that was not just us savages from the West. It happens in club games too.
The Aussie players have always maintained that the Irish amateurs were far more cynical and sneaky in getting the digs in, kicking at the ball as they went down to scoop it up etc, this is a huge no no in AFL as the player is unprotected. Of course when the reverse is applied to the tackle and turning players into the ground, a la Geraghty, they maintain a blank innocent stare and say this happens very week.
Slightly off the point but I work with a Kiwi and he's constantly ribbing me about the O'Driscoll spear tackle and how we should 'man up' it's all workplace slagging in intent, however when there was a similair incident in the Super 14 this year involving one of his beloved Canterbury Crusaders he was thick as a bull for a week, I mentioned that it was nowhere near as bad as what his boys did Brian O'Driscoll, we looked at the Youtube clips comparing the incidents - he couldn't see it, point is, we see what we our brains want us to see.
To the concept of the games, I'm a fan, if only for the selfish reason that it gives me a pass down to Melbourne or over to Perth to watch some of the GAA players in action for a few days. And if it satisfies the players and a couple of thousand ex-pats, what's the harm?
Quote from: stephenite on August 13, 2010, 12:50:56 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2010, 12:13:06 PM
Quote from: qz on August 13, 2010, 11:49:10 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 12, 2010, 03:12:38 PM
Quote from: qz on August 12, 2010, 02:29:39 PM
Some interesting points Hardy, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on what aspects of AFL, their supporters treasure, that GAA fans mightn't necessarily treasure.
What I had in mind was all the pseudo-macho stuff - "big hits" and how they're gloried in and all the would-be hard man strutting and posing and the general impression that they value power, strength and hard-chaw stuff more than skill and technique.
I was always put off by the glorification of cowardly blind-side hitting that seems endemic in their game. I don't know if it's changed as I haven't watched it in a good while and I hear they've cleaned it up a bit, but you used to hear their commentators and spectators screaming approval at what they'd call a big hit but was usually some fella being taken out in sneaky fashion when he wasn't looking or shouldered into the front when he was open for it. That kind of stuff is actually some of the most cowardly hitting you can do, as you protect yourself while exploiting the victim's unpreparedness. I'd call a man hard if he exposed himself to hurt - e.g. face his opponent front-to-front. If you turn your shoulder into the opponent's exposed front when he's not ready for it, you're a coward, not a hard man.
Anyway, what I was suggesting was that in as much as you can generalise, GAA people appreciate skill, sportsmanship and technique more than strength, power and hitting and AFL supporters are the opposite.
As well as that, I've always been taken with the contrast in how the Australian and Irish teams in IR conduct themselves. The Aussie players come across as brash, self-absorbed, cocky and bombastic while the GAA player's stock in trade is typically understatement, self-effacement and modesty. It's just an impression, but it's an impression of two sporting cultures entirely at variance with each other.
There's a few cowards in the GAA to I'd say you agree then, like the no. 9 on 2 minutes in this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNAQbp_vRv4&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNAQbp_vRv4&NR=1)
or the defender in this clip holding a man down, then standing on his head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcdB0RCtDe8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcdB0RCtDe8)
The Afl fans love their skill as much as we do, especially a great high mark or a long distance kick between the posts, much the same as ourselves. The similarities in what fans treasure are closer than what you suggest, i think.
Our opinions differ - no issue. I didn't bother looking at your clips as, if they're presented as instances of something untoward in GAA games, I don't see their relevance to my suggestion that the incidence of this type of thing is higher in AFL and that the AFL fans seem to like it. The murder rate in Johannesburg is greater than that in Cork. I wouldn't attempt to disprove that by posting two links to news stories showing there had been two murders in Cork at some stage or another.
Stephenite - my substantive point is that the cowardly hits and thuggery are (or were when I was more familiar with it) glorified in the AFL culture, by fans and commentators. You must have noticed the roaring approval by commentators at "shirtfronts" and you won't have to look long at clips of the International Rules games to hear the Aussie commentators getting orgasmic over the street-fighting when it starts.
I don't necessarily disagree that your opinion is wrong per se, that culture of yahooing the biggest hit from behind is still there to a certain extent. But of the games I've attended with those who are more familair with the game (I'm based in Sydney and it's not the "local" sport) it's frowned upon, massively.
But I still maintain that this culture also exists in our own games to a certain extent, perhaps not as much. I remember all too well the deafening roars of approval that went up went Meath and Mayo went head to head in '96 and that was not just us savages from the West. It happens in club games too.
The Aussie players have always maintained that the Irish amateurs were far more cynical and sneaky in getting the digs in, kicking at the ball as they went down to scoop it up etc, this is a huge no no in AFL as the player is unprotected. Of course when the reverse is applied to the tackle and turning players into the ground, a la Geraghty, they maintain a blank innocent stare and say this happens very week.
Slightly off the point but I work with a Kiwi and he's constantly ribbing me about the O'Driscoll spear tackle and how we should 'man up' it's all workplace slagging in intent, however when there was a similair incident in the Super 14 this year involving one of his beloved Canterbury Crusaders he was thick as a bull for a week, I mentioned that it was nowhere near as bad as what his boys did Brian O'Driscoll, we looked at the Youtube clips comparing the incidents - he couldn't see it, point is, we see what we our brains want us to see.
To the concept of the games, I'm a fan, if only for the selfish reason that it gives me a pass down to Melbourne or over to Perth to watch some of the GAA players in action for a few days. And if it satisfies the players and a couple of thousand ex-pats, what's the harm?
I doubt it has anything to do with being unprotected.
I've seen numerous players being deliberately hurt in the AFL when they were unable to protect themselves.
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2010, 12:13:06 PM
Quote from: qz on August 13, 2010, 11:49:10 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 12, 2010, 03:12:38 PM
Quote from: qz on August 12, 2010, 02:29:39 PM
Some interesting points Hardy, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on what aspects of AFL, their supporters treasure, that GAA fans mightn't necessarily treasure.
What I had in mind was all the pseudo-macho stuff - "big hits" and how they're gloried in and all the would-be hard man strutting and posing and the general impression that they value power, strength and hard-chaw stuff more than skill and technique.
I was always put off by the glorification of cowardly blind-side hitting that seems endemic in their game. I don't know if it's changed as I haven't watched it in a good while and I hear they've cleaned it up a bit, but you used to hear their commentators and spectators screaming approval at what they'd call a big hit but was usually some fella being taken out in sneaky fashion when he wasn't looking or shouldered into the front when he was open for it. That kind of stuff is actually some of the most cowardly hitting you can do, as you protect yourself while exploiting the victim's unpreparedness. I'd call a man hard if he exposed himself to hurt - e.g. face his opponent front-to-front. If you turn your shoulder into the opponent's exposed front when he's not ready for it, you're a coward, not a hard man.
Anyway, what I was suggesting was that in as much as you can generalise, GAA people appreciate skill, sportsmanship and technique more than strength, power and hitting and AFL supporters are the opposite.
As well as that, I've always been taken with the contrast in how the Australian and Irish teams in IR conduct themselves. The Aussie players come across as brash, self-absorbed, cocky and bombastic while the GAA player's stock in trade is typically understatement, self-effacement and modesty. It's just an impression, but it's an impression of two sporting cultures entirely at variance with each other.
There's a few cowards in the GAA to I'd say you agree then, like the no. 9 on 2 minutes in this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNAQbp_vRv4&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNAQbp_vRv4&NR=1)
or the defender in this clip holding a man down, then standing on his head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcdB0RCtDe8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcdB0RCtDe8)
The Afl fans love their skill as much as we do, especially a great high mark or a long distance kick between the posts, much the same as ourselves. The similarities in what fans treasure are closer than what you suggest, i think.
Our opinions differ - no issue. I didn't bother looking at your clips as, if they're presented as instances of something untoward in GAA games, I don't see their relevance to my suggestion that the incidence of this type of thing is higher in AFL and that the AFL fans seem to like it. The murder rate in Johannesburg is greater than that in Cork. I wouldn't attempt to disprove that by posting two links to news stories showing there had been two murders in Cork at some stage or another.
Stephenite - my substantive point is that the cowardly hits and thuggery are (or were when I was more familiar with it) glorified in the AFL culture, by fans and commentators. You must have noticed the roaring approval by commentators at "shirtfronts" and you won't have to look long at clips of the International Rules games to hear the Aussie commentators getting orgasmic over the street-fighting when it starts.
Hardy, I think you should look at the clips. :D
Quote from: Jinxy on August 13, 2010, 04:14:23 PM
Quote from: stephenite on August 13, 2010, 12:50:56 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2010, 12:13:06 PM
Quote from: qz on August 13, 2010, 11:49:10 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 12, 2010, 03:12:38 PM
Quote from: qz on August 12, 2010, 02:29:39 PM
Some interesting points Hardy, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on what aspects of AFL, their supporters treasure, that GAA fans mightn't necessarily treasure.
What I had in mind was all the pseudo-macho stuff - "big hits" and how they're gloried in and all the would-be hard man strutting and posing and the general impression that they value power, strength and hard-chaw stuff more than skill and technique.
I was always put off by the glorification of cowardly blind-side hitting that seems endemic in their game. I don't know if it's changed as I haven't watched it in a good while and I hear they've cleaned it up a bit, but you used to hear their commentators and spectators screaming approval at what they'd call a big hit but was usually some fella being taken out in sneaky fashion when he wasn't looking or shouldered into the front when he was open for it. That kind of stuff is actually some of the most cowardly hitting you can do, as you protect yourself while exploiting the victim's unpreparedness. I'd call a man hard if he exposed himself to hurt - e.g. face his opponent front-to-front. If you turn your shoulder into the opponent's exposed front when he's not ready for it, you're a coward, not a hard man.
Anyway, what I was suggesting was that in as much as you can generalise, GAA people appreciate skill, sportsmanship and technique more than strength, power and hitting and AFL supporters are the opposite.
As well as that, I've always been taken with the contrast in how the Australian and Irish teams in IR conduct themselves. The Aussie players come across as brash, self-absorbed, cocky and bombastic while the GAA player's stock in trade is typically understatement, self-effacement and modesty. It's just an impression, but it's an impression of two sporting cultures entirely at variance with each other.
There's a few cowards in the GAA to I'd say you agree then, like the no. 9 on 2 minutes in this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNAQbp_vRv4&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNAQbp_vRv4&NR=1)
or the defender in this clip holding a man down, then standing on his head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcdB0RCtDe8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcdB0RCtDe8)
The Afl fans love their skill as much as we do, especially a great high mark or a long distance kick between the posts, much the same as ourselves. The similarities in what fans treasure are closer than what you suggest, i think.
Our opinions differ - no issue. I didn't bother looking at your clips as, if they're presented as instances of something untoward in GAA games, I don't see their relevance to my suggestion that the incidence of this type of thing is higher in AFL and that the AFL fans seem to like it. The murder rate in Johannesburg is greater than that in Cork. I wouldn't attempt to disprove that by posting two links to news stories showing there had been two murders in Cork at some stage or another.
Stephenite - my substantive point is that the cowardly hits and thuggery are (or were when I was more familiar with it) glorified in the AFL culture, by fans and commentators. You must have noticed the roaring approval by commentators at "shirtfronts" and you won't have to look long at clips of the International Rules games to hear the Aussie commentators getting orgasmic over the street-fighting when it starts.
I don't necessarily disagree that your opinion is wrong per se, that culture of yahooing the biggest hit from behind is still there to a certain extent. But of the games I've attended with those who are more familair with the game (I'm based in Sydney and it's not the "local" sport) it's frowned upon, massively.
But I still maintain that this culture also exists in our own games to a certain extent, perhaps not as much. I remember all too well the deafening roars of approval that went up went Meath and Mayo went head to head in '96 and that was not just us savages from the West. It happens in club games too.
The Aussie players have always maintained that the Irish amateurs were far more cynical and sneaky in getting the digs in, kicking at the ball as they went down to scoop it up etc, this is a huge no no in AFL as the player is unprotected. Of course when the reverse is applied to the tackle and turning players into the ground, a la Geraghty, they maintain a blank innocent stare and say this happens very week.
Slightly off the point but I work with a Kiwi and he's constantly ribbing me about the O'Driscoll spear tackle and how we should 'man up' it's all workplace slagging in intent, however when there was a similair incident in the Super 14 this year involving one of his beloved Canterbury Crusaders he was thick as a bull for a week, I mentioned that it was nowhere near as bad as what his boys did Brian O'Driscoll, we looked at the Youtube clips comparing the incidents - he couldn't see it, point is, we see what we our brains want us to see.
To the concept of the games, I'm a fan, if only for the selfish reason that it gives me a pass down to Melbourne or over to Perth to watch some of the GAA players in action for a few days. And if it satisfies the players and a couple of thousand ex-pats, what's the harm?
I doubt it has anything to do with being unprotected.
I've seen numerous players being deliberately hurt in the AFL when they were unable to protect themselves.
It is to do with being unprotected....the concept of kicking at the ball when someone puts their hands down is a total no-no over here.....It's the same as when Setanta knocked Cloke out in the club challenge game they didn't mind about the knockout punch but tolerate teh kick to him on the ground....
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Some interesting points Hardy, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on what aspects of AFL, their supporters treasure, that GAA fans mightn't necessarily treasure.
What I had in mind was all the pseudo-macho stuff - "big hits" and how they're gloried in and all the would-be hard man strutting and posing and the general impression that they value power, strength and hard-chaw stuff more than skill and technique.
I was always put off by the glorification of cowardly blind-side hitting that seems endemic in their game. I don't know if it's changed as I haven't watched it in a good while and I hear they've cleaned it up a bit, but you used to hear their commentators and spectators screaming approval at what they'd call a big hit but was usually some fella being taken out in sneaky fashion when he wasn't looking or shouldered into the front when he was open for it. That kind of stuff is actually some of the most cowardly hitting you can do, as you protect yourself while exploiting the victim's unpreparedness. I'd call a man hard if he exposed himself to hurt - e.g. face his opponent front-to-front. If you turn your shoulder into the opponent's exposed front when he's not ready for it, you're a coward, not a hard man.
Anyway, what I was suggesting was that in as much as you can generalise, GAA people appreciate skill, sportsmanship and technique more than strength, power and hitting and AFL supporters are the opposite.
As well as that, I've always been taken with the contrast in how the Australian and Irish teams in IR conduct themselves. The Aussie players come across as brash, self-absorbed, cocky and bombastic while the GAA player's stock in trade is typically understatement, self-effacement and modesty. It's just an impression, but it's an impression of two sporting cultures entirely at variance with each other.
There's a few cowards in the GAA to I'd say you agree then, like the no. 9 on 2 minutes in this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNAQbp_vRv4&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNAQbp_vRv4&NR=1)
or the defender in this clip holding a man down, then standing on his head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcdB0RCtDe8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcdB0RCtDe8)
The Afl fans love their skill as much as we do, especially a great high mark or a long distance kick between the posts, much the same as ourselves. The similarities in what fans treasure are closer than what you suggest, i think.
Our opinions differ - no issue. I didn't bother looking at your clips as, if they're presented as instances of something untoward in GAA games, I don't see their relevance to my suggestion that the incidence of this type of thing is higher in AFL and that the AFL fans seem to like it. The murder rate in Johannesburg is greater than that in Cork. I wouldn't attempt to disprove that by posting two links to news stories showing there had been two murders in Cork at some stage or another.
Stephenite - my substantive point is that the cowardly hits and thuggery are (or were when I was more familiar with it) glorified in the AFL culture, by fans and commentators. You must have noticed the roaring approval by commentators at "shirtfronts" and you won't have to look long at clips of the International Rules games to hear the Aussie commentators getting orgasmic over the street-fighting when it starts.
Hardy, I think you should look at the clips. :D
The eyes man, the eyes... :P
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Some interesting points Hardy, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on what aspects of AFL, their supporters treasure, that GAA fans mightn't necessarily treasure.
What I had in mind was all the pseudo-macho stuff - "big hits" and how they're gloried in and all the would-be hard man strutting and posing and the general impression that they value power, strength and hard-chaw stuff more than skill and technique.
I was always put off by the glorification of cowardly blind-side hitting that seems endemic in their game. I don't know if it's changed as I haven't watched it in a good while and I hear they've cleaned it up a bit, but you used to hear their commentators and spectators screaming approval at what they'd call a big hit but was usually some fella being taken out in sneaky fashion when he wasn't looking or shouldered into the front when he was open for it. That kind of stuff is actually some of the most cowardly hitting you can do, as you protect yourself while exploiting the victim's unpreparedness. I'd call a man hard if he exposed himself to hurt - e.g. face his opponent front-to-front. If you turn your shoulder into the opponent's exposed front when he's not ready for it, you're a coward, not a hard man.
Anyway, what I was suggesting was that in as much as you can generalise, GAA people appreciate skill, sportsmanship and technique more than strength, power and hitting and AFL supporters are the opposite.
As well as that, I've always been taken with the contrast in how the Australian and Irish teams in IR conduct themselves. The Aussie players come across as brash, self-absorbed, cocky and bombastic while the GAA player's stock in trade is typically understatement, self-effacement and modesty. It's just an impression, but it's an impression of two sporting cultures entirely at variance with each other.
There's a few cowards in the GAA to I'd say you agree then, like the no. 9 on 2 minutes in this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNAQbp_vRv4&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNAQbp_vRv4&NR=1)
or the defender in this clip holding a man down, then standing on his head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcdB0RCtDe8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcdB0RCtDe8)
The Afl fans love their skill as much as we do, especially a great high mark or a long distance kick between the posts, much the same as ourselves. The similarities in what fans treasure are closer than what you suggest, i think.
Our opinions differ - no issue. I didn't bother looking at your clips as, if they're presented as instances of something untoward in GAA games, I don't see their relevance to my suggestion that the incidence of this type of thing is higher in AFL and that the AFL fans seem to like it. The murder rate in Johannesburg is greater than that in Cork. I wouldn't attempt to disprove that by posting two links to news stories showing there had been two murders in Cork at some stage or another.
Stephenite - my substantive point is that the cowardly hits and thuggery are (or were when I was more familiar with it) glorified in the AFL culture, by fans and commentators. You must have noticed the roaring approval by commentators at "shirtfronts" and you won't have to look long at clips of the International Rules games to hear the Aussie commentators getting orgasmic over the street-fighting when it starts.
Hardy, I think you should look at the clips. :D
:D
I think can rest my case if the best he can come up with is a fella spraining his ankle and an accidental minor scratch (kilometres of subsequently applied bandage notwithstanding).
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Quote from: qz on August 12, 2010, 02:29:39 PM
Some interesting points Hardy, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on what aspects of AFL, their supporters treasure, that GAA fans mightn't necessarily treasure.
What I had in mind was all the pseudo-macho stuff - "big hits" and how they're gloried in and all the would-be hard man strutting and posing and the general impression that they value power, strength and hard-chaw stuff more than skill and technique.
I was always put off by the glorification of cowardly blind-side hitting that seems endemic in their game. I don't know if it's changed as I haven't watched it in a good while and I hear they've cleaned it up a bit, but you used to hear their commentators and spectators screaming approval at what they'd call a big hit but was usually some fella being taken out in sneaky fashion when he wasn't looking or shouldered into the front when he was open for it. That kind of stuff is actually some of the most cowardly hitting you can do, as you protect yourself while exploiting the victim's unpreparedness. I'd call a man hard if he exposed himself to hurt - e.g. face his opponent front-to-front. If you turn your shoulder into the opponent's exposed front when he's not ready for it, you're a coward, not a hard man.
Anyway, what I was suggesting was that in as much as you can generalise, GAA people appreciate skill, sportsmanship and technique more than strength, power and hitting and AFL supporters are the opposite.
As well as that, I've always been taken with the contrast in how the Australian and Irish teams in IR conduct themselves. The Aussie players come across as brash, self-absorbed, cocky and bombastic while the GAA player's stock in trade is typically understatement, self-effacement and modesty. It's just an impression, but it's an impression of two sporting cultures entirely at variance with each other.
There's a few cowards in the GAA to I'd say you agree then, like the no. 9 on 2 minutes in this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNAQbp_vRv4&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNAQbp_vRv4&NR=1)
or the defender in this clip holding a man down, then standing on his head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcdB0RCtDe8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcdB0RCtDe8)
The Afl fans love their skill as much as we do, especially a great high mark or a long distance kick between the posts, much the same as ourselves. The similarities in what fans treasure are closer than what you suggest, i think.
Our opinions differ - no issue. I didn't bother looking at your clips as, if they're presented as instances of something untoward in GAA games, I don't see their relevance to my suggestion that the incidence of this type of thing is higher in AFL and that the AFL fans seem to like it. The murder rate in Johannesburg is greater than that in Cork. I wouldn't attempt to disprove that by posting two links to news stories showing there had been two murders in Cork at some stage or another.
Stephenite - my substantive point is that the cowardly hits and thuggery are (or were when I was more familiar with it) glorified in the AFL culture, by fans and commentators. You must have noticed the roaring approval by commentators at "shirtfronts" and you won't have to look long at clips of the International Rules games to hear the Aussie commentators getting orgasmic over the street-fighting when it starts.
I don't necessarily disagree that your opinion is wrong per se, that culture of yahooing the biggest hit from behind is still there to a certain extent. But of the games I've attended with those who are more familair with the game (I'm based in Sydney and it's not the "local" sport) it's frowned upon, massively.
But I still maintain that this culture also exists in our own games to a certain extent, perhaps not as much. I remember all too well the deafening roars of approval that went up went Meath and Mayo went head to head in '96 and that was not just us savages from the West. It happens in club games too.
The Aussie players have always maintained that the Irish amateurs were far more cynical and sneaky in getting the digs in, kicking at the ball as they went down to scoop it up etc, this is a huge no no in AFL as the player is unprotected. Of course when the reverse is applied to the tackle and turning players into the ground, a la Geraghty, they maintain a blank innocent stare and say this happens very week.
Slightly off the point but I work with a Kiwi and he's constantly ribbing me about the O'Driscoll spear tackle and how we should 'man up' it's all workplace slagging in intent, however when there was a similair incident in the Super 14 this year involving one of his beloved Canterbury Crusaders he was thick as a bull for a week, I mentioned that it was nowhere near as bad as what his boys did Brian O'Driscoll, we looked at the Youtube clips comparing the incidents - he couldn't see it, point is, we see what we our brains want us to see.
To the concept of the games, I'm a fan, if only for the selfish reason that it gives me a pass down to Melbourne or over to Perth to watch some of the GAA players in action for a few days. And if it satisfies the players and a couple of thousand ex-pats, what's the harm?
I doubt it has anything to do with being unprotected.
I've seen numerous players being deliberately hurt in the AFL when they were unable to protect themselves.
It is to do with being unprotected....the concept of kicking at the ball when someone puts their hands down is a total no-no over here.....It's the same as when Setanta knocked Cloke out in the club challenge game they didn't mind about the knockout punch but tolerate teh kick to him on the ground....
And yet they'll happily nail someone who only has eyes for the ball when they are running back with the play.
Or put their knee into someones kidneys.
I've no interest in their bizarre code of honour to be honest.
Some distorted views on the AFL here.
Kicking, gouging, ankle tackles or taps, dropping knees in tackles have, since the inception of AFL, been considered poor form in AFL and will result in long suspensions.
The shirt front has virtually been eliminated from AFL - if your eyes are not on the ball and you shirtfront a player expect 3-4 weeks off.
Did anyone see the classic International Rules on TG4 yesterday? Not sure what year it was, but Dermot Mc Nicholl was playing and he was fantastic. The Australians seem to have learned a bit since then as they were awful at kicking the round ball.
Quote from: HeaveHo on August 16, 2010, 06:19:07 AM
Some distorted views on the AFL here.
Kicking, gouging, ankle tackles or taps, dropping knees in tackles have, since the inception of AFL, been considered poor form in AFL and will result in long suspensions.
The shirt front has virtually been eliminated from AFL - if your eyes are not on the ball and you shirtfront a player expect 3-4 weeks off.
They're considered poor form in the GAA as well.
Quote from: paco on August 16, 2010, 05:43:32 PM
Did anyone see the classic International Rules on TG4 yesterday? Not sure what year it was, but Dermot Mc Nicholl was playing and he was fantastic. The Australians seem to have learned a bit since then as they were awful at kicking the round ball.
Seen most of it yesterday. It was the 2nd test in 1984 I think. Some rough "tackles" in that game. Did you see the Aussie goalkeepers challenge for the penalty?
No didn't see all of it Archie. The best bit I seen was the goal Dermot Mc Nicholl scored which was ruled out for some reason, it was class. He must have ran 40 or 50 yards and rifled it past the keeper, I think the keeper knew the whistle had gone but it was still some effort. Must check Youtube, bound to be some clips of it and other games from around that time.
I saw most of that on TV the other night and I was probably at that game too in Croker, as I went to most of those games back then. I can tell you the athmosphere in Croker was only brilliant, having a bigger crowd than the old Landsdowne or Dalymount could hold, and the loudest "Ireland Ireland" chant ever heard in decades.
What struck me watching it again was how "screwed" the Aussies were in the so-called compromise. The body tackle was obviously not yet allowed, so the game-play was virtually identical to regular Gaelic Football. The mark was barely used by either team, and the difference really boiled down to Ireland's ability to score goals, and the Aussies fitness to help them finish strongly. Imho, none of the fights back then were remotely as cynical as the more recent hits on Geraghty & co. Back then, Australia usually brought their biggest and best players, who were not usually their nastiest.
I'm a big fan of this series. It's clear a very large number of the players enjoy it and put a lot of effort in. I will certainly be going along again this year and bringing Junior as well, as he also loves it.
Biff, was it you posted a fantasticly funny article on Aussie Rules on Bigfooty a number of years ago?
Have you still got it and any chance you'd put it up here. It was one of the funniest things I've ever read and the Aussies who could read words of more the five letters loved it as well.
I'd forgotten about some of the stuff that used to be on BigFooty. :D
2nd test in the 1986 series is on this sunday at 12.40 pm on tg4. is this the game where they cut the f*ck out of each other or was it the 1st game?
Quote from: The Biff on August 17, 2010, 04:20:13 PM
I saw most of that on TV the other night and I was probably at that game too in Croker, as I went to most of those games back then. I can tell you the athmosphere in Croker was only brilliant, having a bigger crowd than the old Landsdowne or Dalymount could hold, and the loudest "Ireland Ireland" chant ever heard in decades.
What struck me watching it again was how "screwed" the Aussies were in the so-called compromise. The body tackle was obviously not yet allowed, so the game-play was virtually identical to regular Gaelic Football. The mark was barely used by either team, and the difference really boiled down to Ireland's ability to score goals, and the Aussies fitness to help them finish strongly. Imho, none of the fights back then were remotely as cynical as the more recent hits on Geraghty & co. Back then, Australia usually brought their biggest and best players, who were not usually their nastiest.
I'm a big fan of this series. It's clear a very large number of the players enjoy it and put a lot of effort in. I will certainly be going along again this year and bringing Junior as well, as he also loves it.
The Aussies used to bring their All Australian team (or as many as where available). The All Australian team was selected based on AFL form. The Australian sides for the last three or so series are now selected for their suitability to the hybrid game. If the All Australian team was to represent Australia you would see 211 cm and 129 kg Aaron Sandilands run around. Although the lad is pretty athletic for a bloke nearly 7' tall he would be useless in that format. All the bigger lads generally don't get picked and the recent teams have largely been full of speedy squibs.
Yeah like Barry Hall.
Just watched todays showing - the 2nd 1986 Test - Greg Blaney & Jack O'Shea were absolute stars and there was a mixture of great football and criminal fouling! That lunatic Todd was the Aussie manager so it figures!
Quote from: zoyler on August 17, 2010, 08:23:02 PM
Biff, was it you posted a fantasticly funny article on Aussie Rules on Bigfooty a number of years ago?
Have you still got it and any chance you'd put it up here. It was one of the funniest things I've ever read and the Aussies who could read words of more the five letters loved it as well.
I think I remember what you are referring to, because I saved a copy of it somewhere. But I'm fairly sure it was a composition of
Hardy. I've checked my curent computer but cant seem to find anything like that. Maybe the man himself has it archived handy. ;D
Your right - it was Hardy - please God hes in the land of the living and can put it up here . I might also look for it on bigfooty
It was like shooting fish in a barrel on Bigfooty around the time of the international rules. :D
The Irish team were training in Parnell Pk tonight - the weird posts installed & everything - they'll be on overtime pulling them up tonight - U12 Hurling finals on there in the morning
Was there a rumour doing the rounds that most of the Kerry players are refusing to take part because of remarks Tohill made on the Sunday game?
Were you at the session Heffo
heard from a reliable source that anthony will be naming enda lynn and raymond wilkinson in his squad to take on the aussies....wtfl
Quote from: laoisgaa on September 04, 2010, 12:49:18 PM
Were you at the session Heffo
Didn't go - had about four other games to go to before yesterdays main event
Quote from: zoyler on September 03, 2010, 08:27:54 PM
Your right - it was Hardy - please God hes in the land of the living and can put it up here . I might also look for it on bigfooty
This thing? (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51373)
Oh Jesus Hardy!
I've a pain in my side. :D
Thanks Hardy - still one of the funniest things I've ever read - hope you sold it somewhere and made a few bob out of it!
If you've anything else like it where can we find it?
anyone know the panel?
bogball all i know is that kevin mcloy and enda lynn have been included! like i have said in previous post both perfect additions to the squad and will become legends
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Quote from: zoyler on September 03, 2010, 08:27:54 PM
Your right - it was Hardy - please God hes in the land of the living and can put it up here . I might also look for it on bigfooty
This thing? (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51373)
Really enjoyed that read!! :D :D Well done!!
with the destination of sam 2010 now decided how many players of the two finalists will make the squad apart from clarke whos a cert, not because of his muted all irl final, but its traditional that players that have played aussie rules get picked
Shields, Canty, Walsh and Sheehan from Cork.
King, Clarke, Hughes and Coulter from Down.
something tells me bennys not playing?
wen is the squad announced?
Some of the players I would like to see included:
Leighton Glynn (Wicklow),
Brendan Murphy (Carlow),
Colm Begley (Laois),
Stephen Cluxton, Bernard Brogan (Dublin
Kevin Reilly (Meath),
Ciarán McKeever, Stevie McDonnell (Armagh)
Paul Finlay (Monaghan),
Joe McMahon, Sean Cavanagh (Tyrone)
Martin Clarke (Down)
Ciaran Sheehan, Nicholas Murphy, Michael Sheilds (Cork)
Kieran Donaghy, Tomas O'Se (Kerry)
AFL Based Players
Tadhg Kennelly (Kerry/Sydney Swans)
Setanta O'hAilpin (Cork/Carlton)
Tommy Walsh (Kerry/St. Kilda)
Would love to see Martin Sludden being made one of the on-field officials. A bit more powder in the keg, so to speak.
Is Jack Russell playing this year?
He'd some engine on him the last time.
Quote from: Hardy on September 06, 2010, 04:19:24 PM
Quote from: zoyler on September 03, 2010, 08:27:54 PM
Your right - it was Hardy - please God hes in the land of the living and can put it up here . I might also look for it on bigfooty
This thing? (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51373)
absolutely brilliant
Quote from: Jinxy on September 20, 2010, 01:24:49 PM
Is Jack Russell playing this year?
There's a fella dandering down the road with a dog on a leash.
A wee man stops him and asks,'What sort of dog is that then?'
The fella replies that it is 'half Jack Russell, half Alsatian and half Labrador.'
'Jaysis,' says the wee man, 'that's a dog and a half.'
I know MD Macauley is training with them
Irish Gear Up For Aussie Showdown
With the first of the International Rules Tests against Australia less than a month away, the Irish squad is beginning to take shape. The panel trained on Friday night and have a couple of more sessions planned before the opening match at the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick on 23rd October.
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/09/27/irish-squad-train-ahead-of-international-rules-clash/
Nice to see a couple of Ros lads in it.
Will they use Donie on the interchange to kick frees ?
It would be great to see Donie play but as far as i know it only a 23man squad so it might be hard for him to get a place this time around
no Kalum King from Down? Thought he was a cage fighter, would be handy to have about the place. Should be playing our dirtiest players/those able to handle themselves rather than our best for the i'national rules
Quote from: GAA_Punter on September 27, 2010, 05:22:13 PM
It would be great to see Donie play but as far as i know it only a 23man squad so it might be hard for him to get a place this time around
So how many are in the Squad at the moment?
About 35 are in with a chance i think
Quote from: GAA_Punter on September 27, 2010, 05:54:47 PM
About 35 are in with a chance i think
Well IMO would be foolishness not to pick one of the best placekickers in Ireland
Is kennelly not playing this year?
Gary Ablett looks like he is going to be part of the australian team. He is a serious player.
Is Bernard Brogan still in the squad? Could pick a serious forward line from players mentioned - Cavanagh O'Sullivan Clarke
Coulter Donaghy Brogan
quick question which seems to have been overlooked... how the fcuk did Anthony Tohill get appointed Ireland manager...????
whats his previous in management or is he just another one of these lap dogs like Burns et al who get the nice wee cosy numbers because the gaa powers that be shout jump and they respond how high!!! >:(
how stupid is a game where you get a point for kicking it wide. Find it hilarious how this is considered a skilled game.
You don't get a point for kicking a wide.
That's like someone who plays soccer asking why do you get a point for missing the goals in Gaelic. It's just got different scoring areas to Gaelic.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 27, 2010, 10:26:30 PM
Is Bernard Brogan still in the squad? Could pick a serious forward line from players mentioned - Cavanagh O'Sullivan Clarke
Coulter Donaghy Brogan
He wasn't at the trial on Friday as he was playing Dublin SFC over the weekend - I'd imagine he'll be in the final panel..
Does anybody know where the squad is training this weekend or where I could find out?
Quote from: INDIANA on September 27, 2010, 11:21:51 PM
how stupid is a game where you get a point for kicking it wide. Find it hilarious how this is considered a skilled game.
how stupid a game gaelic football is where you get a score for blasting it over the crossbar
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 27, 2010, 11:25:31 PM
You don't get a point for kicking a wide.
That's like someone who plays soccer asking why do you get a point for missing the goals in Gaelic. It's just got different scoring areas to Gaelic.
Quote from: J OGorman on September 28, 2010, 09:38:13 AM
how stupid a game gaelic football is where you get a score for blasting it over the crossbar
So they're actually intending to score one point instead of three when they score those "behinds", the same as a gaelic player is going for a point, not a goal when he shoots from 50 yards? I never realised that. It seems a stupid strategy, though, as it would surely be as easy to go for the three. (That way, if you miss, you still have a good chance of scoring one for missing). I think I'll call Anthony Tohill.
Quote from: Hardy on September 28, 2010, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 27, 2010, 11:25:31 PM
You don't get a point for kicking a wide.
That's like someone who plays soccer asking why do you get a point for missing the goals in Gaelic. It's just got different scoring areas to Gaelic.
Quote from: J OGorman on September 28, 2010, 09:38:13 AM
how stupid a game gaelic football is where you get a score for blasting it over the crossbar
So they're actually intending to score one point instead of three when they score those "behinds", the same as a gaelic player is going for a point, not a goal when he shoots from 50 yards? I never realised that. It seems a stupid strategy, though, as it would surely be as easy to go for the three. (That way, if you miss, you still have a good chance of scoring one for missing). I think I'll call Anthony Tohill.
Don't know what your point is Hardy. Are you trying to argue you get a point for a wide? Because you don't.
You get a point for a behind. Your argument is like a footballer going through on goal and shooting for a goal, but blasting it over the bar. Should he get the point taken of him?
My point is that nobody in AR/IR actually shoots for the one point score. They shoot for the three and if they miss they get a consolation prize of one point for missing - i.e. kicking it wide. So the "behind" posts serve no other purpose than to compensate for missing the main score. In no way can that be compared to gaelic football, where the crossbar doesn't exist to provide a consolation score for missed goals. The huge majority of points scored in gaelic are actually from shots intended to score a point. Point scoring is one of the top skills of gaelic football. It's effectively the major objective of the game. There's no consolation prize for missing. The scenario you mention, where a player misses a goal and gets a point is rare enough not to constitute a serious comparison.
Quote from: Hardy on September 28, 2010, 12:40:14 PM
My point is that nobody in AR/IR actually shoots for the one point score. They shoot for the three and if they miss they get a consolation prize of one point for missing - i.e. kicking it wide. So the "behind" posts serve no other purpose than to compensate for missing the main score. In no way can that be compared to gaelic football, where the crossbar doesn't exist to provide a consolation score for missed goals. The huge majority of points scored in gaelic are actually from shots intended to score a point. Point scoring is one of the top skills of gaelic football. It's effectively the major objective of the game. There's no consolation prize for missing. The scenario you mention, where a player misses a goal and gets a point is rare enough not to constitute a serious comparison.
The behinds in a IR game don't make a major difference either. It's the overs and the goals that obviously make a larger impact on the way a game pans out and decides the winners. My point still stands, you can't give out about behinds in IR when the senario I mentioned above occurs in gaelic. You are still getting a bonus for "missing" the target you were going for. Fair enough it'll happen more often in IR but again due to the value of a behind it's not a major difference.
I know your not a big fan of IR ( and I can understand that) but I just don't see much sense in this argument.
I for one will not be watching ths hybrid bastard game. It is once again gross irresponsibility on the behalf of the GAA to put amateur players in danger of serious injury. Every year we hear that the game will be tidied up. But it continues to be a form of punch bag machoism for the Boys down under. We get feeble excuises from the Aussies like; they insulted my mother/sister, Our hands were kicked as we tried to pick the ball, etc.
To top it off, we usually have a referee from Australia who is more of a spectator than those who paid into this farce, with the most biased of decisions. And then there is our fool of a Referee who trying against all his might to give even decisons. It borders on the comical.
So there will be more; Late tackles, High tackles, (Brave) 3 (Aussie) on 1 (Irish) fights, Hair pulling, Punches, elbow swings etc.
There are Associations with decent rules that cater for Wrestling and Boxing if you are into that sort of thing.
Why dont they let the ozzies bounce the ball, gaa players bounce or solo it, disallow the wrestle/ tackle and remove the extra posts and it would be a reasonable game, a bit like gaelic but dumbed down to be playable by thugs from Australia. We could call it "Gaelic for beginners" Ill watch it but Im with Mickey Harte on this one, It has no value for the GAA but it allows the current top table professionals to have a big holiday and our gate receipts continue to rise in a recession.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 28, 2010, 01:36:42 PM
So there will be more; Late tackles, High tackles, (Brave) 3 (Aussie) on 1 (Irish) fights, Hair pulling, Punches, elbow swings etc.
Aye, I can't f**king wait!
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 28, 2010, 12:48:19 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 28, 2010, 12:40:14 PM
My point is that nobody in AR/IR actually shoots for the one point score. They shoot for the three and if they miss they get a consolation prize of one point for missing - i.e. kicking it wide. So the "behind" posts serve no other purpose than to compensate for missing the main score. In no way can that be compared to gaelic football, where the crossbar doesn't exist to provide a consolation score for missed goals. The huge majority of points scored in gaelic are actually from shots intended to score a point. Point scoring is one of the top skills of gaelic football. It's effectively the major objective of the game. There's no consolation prize for missing. The scenario you mention, where a player misses a goal and gets a point is rare enough not to constitute a serious comparison.
The behinds in a IR game don't make a major difference either. It's the overs and the goals that obviously make a larger impact on the way a game pans out and decides the winners. My point still stands, you can't give out about behinds in IR when the senario I mentioned above occurs in gaelic. You are still getting a bonus for "missing" the target you were going for. Fair enough it'll happen more often in IR but again due to the value of a behind it's not a major difference.
I know your not a big fan of IR ( and I can understand that) but I just don't see much sense in this argument.
So what's the thinking behind (sorry) providing the extra set of posts?
I would assume it's to help the Ozzies as they wouldn't be used to kicking with the round ball the way our boys would be.
I don't think the second posts improve the game in any way and I'd have no issue with them being removed. That said I also don't think it has a big impact on the game or the outcome of the games. And to be honest it's not that much of a help for the Ozzies as their kicking is as good as ours in the most.
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 28, 2010, 02:10:32 PM
I would assume it's to help the Ozzies as they wouldn't be used to kicking with the round ball the way our boys would be.
In other words to give them something when they miss what they're shooting for?
Can i say this, every test by the time the Ozzies get to grips with the ball they start to win the games. So if there was a thrid test there would be no competition.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 28, 2010, 01:36:42 PM
I for one will not be watching ths hybrid b**tard game. It is once again gross irresponsibility on the behalf of the GAA to put amateur players in danger of serious injury. Every year we hear that the game will be tidied up. But it continues to be a form of punch bag machoism for the Boys down under. We get feeble excuises from the Aussies like; they insulted my mother/sister, Our hands were kicked as we tried to pick the ball, etc.
To top it off, we usually have a referee from Australia who is more of a spectator than those who paid into this farce, with the most biased of decisions. And then there is our fool of a Referee who trying against all his might to give even decisons. It borders on the comical.
So there will be more; Late tackles, High tackles, (Brave) 3 (Aussie) on 1 (Irish) fights, Hair pulling, Punches, elbow swings etc.
There are Associations with decent rules that cater for Wrestling and Boxing if you are into that sort of thing.
For a man who doesn't watch it you seem to know quite a bit about it.
Quote from: Hardy on September 28, 2010, 02:17:24 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 28, 2010, 02:10:32 PM
I would assume it's to help the Ozzies as they wouldn't be used to kicking with the round ball the way our boys would be.
In other words to give them something when they miss what they're shooting for?
Giving them leeway yes. I wouldn't expect our lads to be able to play all year round and then change to the oval ball and still be as accurate. And as I've mentioned it doesn't have a large influence on the game either way.
As I've said before they've just got different scoring areas to GAA.
And what's the thinking behind the extra set of posts in Australian Rules?
Dunno Hardy, You could go onto big footy and ask?
Do you agree that the behinds have little influence on an IR game.
Quote from: muppet on September 28, 2010, 02:22:52 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 28, 2010, 01:36:42 PM
I for one will not be watching ths hybrid b**tard game. It is once again gross irresponsibility on the behalf of the GAA to put amateur players in danger of serious injury. Every year we hear that the game will be tidied up. But it continues to be a form of punch bag machoism for the Boys down under. We get feeble excuises from the Aussies like; they insulted my mother/sister, Our hands were kicked as we tried to pick the ball, etc.
To top it off, we usually have a referee from Australia who is more of a spectator than those who paid into this farce, with the most biased of decisions. And then there is our fool of a Referee who trying against all his might to give even decisons. It borders on the comical.
So there will be more; Late tackles, High tackles, (Brave) 3 (Aussie) on 1 (Irish) fights, Hair pulling, Punches, elbow swings etc.
There are Associations with decent rules that cater for Wrestling and Boxing if you are into that sort of thing.
For a man who doesn't watch it you seem to know quite a bit about it.
Never said i did not watch it in the past . I said i will not be watching it in the future.
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 28, 2010, 02:27:18 PM
Dunno Hardy, You could go onto big footy and ask?
Do you agree that the behinds have little influence on an IR game.
Yes. I'm just debating the point about whether the behind is a reward for kicking a wide. I submit that I've demonstrated that it is. :P
No Hardy you can still kick a wide in IR. and you get Zero for it.
You must also summit that you can miss in GAA and still get rewarded for it then?
(Have to pop out for a hr, I expect a 3 page debate on the above please befor my return!! ;) )
In summary: You can kick a wide in IR and get a point for it. You have to kick it ridiculously wide to fail to score. You can, indeed miss a goal in GAA and get a point instead. But this is not the primary purpose of the crossbar - to provide a consolation for missed goals. On the other hand, the primary and only purpose of the "behind" posts (as you agreed) is to "help the Aussies" - i.e. to give them a score when they miss. QED - this is a game where you get a point for kicking a wide.
Quote from: Hardy on September 28, 2010, 12:40:14 PM
The scenario you mention, where a player misses a goal and gets a point is rare enough not to constitute a serious comparison.
Recently in gaelic football I came across the phenomenon of a player completely missing his kick and being awarded a goal ! Just fancy that !
Quote from: seafoid on September 28, 2010, 02:51:26 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 28, 2010, 12:40:14 PM
The scenario you mention, where a player misses a goal and gets a point is rare enough not to constitute a serious comparison.
Recently in gaelic football I came across the phenomenon of a player completely missing his kick and being awarded a goal ! Just fancy that !
Run for cover!
Quote from: Hardy on September 28, 2010, 02:29:46 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 28, 2010, 02:27:18 PM
Dunno Hardy, You could go onto big footy and ask?
Do you agree that the behinds have little influence on an IR game.
Yes. I'm just debating the point about whether the behind is a reward for kicking a wide. I submit that I've demonstrated that it is. :P
much the same way a footballer goes for a goal, blasts it over the bar and gets a reward ie a point
Quote from: Hardy on September 28, 2010, 02:29:46 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 28, 2010, 02:27:18 PM
Dunno Hardy, You could go onto big footy and ask?
Do you agree that the behinds have little influence on an IR game.
Yes. I'm just debating the point about whether the behind is a reward for kicking a wide. I submit that I've demonstrated that it is. :P
The behind means you don't get draws (3rd ever I think in AR final at weekend) and should somewhat reward a teams amount of possession in a game even if they are less than accurate.
Quote from: Hardy on September 28, 2010, 02:25:15 PM
And what's the thinking behind the extra set of posts in Australian Rules?
The early GAA had a soccer type goal and two side posts.
The whole lot was eventually amalgamated to form the present H shape.
But why would you want to reward a team that has proven its deficiency in the most important aspect of the game? Seems perverse to me. It would make some sense, in the case of a draw, to give it to the team that kicked the fewer wides.
Quote from: J OGorman on September 28, 2010, 04:26:42 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 28, 2010, 02:29:46 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 28, 2010, 02:27:18 PM
Dunno Hardy, You could go onto big footy and ask?
Do you agree that the behinds have little influence on an IR game.
Yes. I'm just debating the point about whether the behind is a reward for kicking a wide. I submit that I've demonstrated that it is. :P
much the same way a footballer goes for a goal, blasts it over the bar and gets a reward ie a point
We covered that while you were out.
Quote from: Hardy on September 28, 2010, 02:45:32 PM
In summary: You can kick a wide in IR and get a point for it. You have to kick it ridiculously wide to fail to score. You can, indeed miss a goal in GAA and get a point instead. But this is not the primary purpose of the crossbar - to provide a consolation for missed goals. On the other hand, the primary and only purpose of the "behind" posts (as you agreed) is to "help the Aussies" - i.e. to give them a score when they miss. QED - this is a game where you get a point for kicking a wide.
No you can't. You can kick a wide in a GAA sense and get a point. But in IR there's another scoring zone that's called a behind. And that's my point. It means that there's a larger scoring area in IR which may make it easier (and to be honest I don't think there is a need for it, but it must have been requested by the Ozzies for some reason). But you certainly don't get a point for kicking a wide in IR.
And I'm afraid that's the main point.
Call it what you want. It's a reward for missing.
Quote from: Hardy on September 28, 2010, 05:34:29 PM
Call it what you want. It's a reward for missing.
indeed, same as football. he who dares.......
Quote from: Hardy on September 28, 2010, 05:34:29 PM
Call it what you want. It's a reward for missing.
Maybe. But it's not a point for a wide.
Yes it is.
Your turn.
last word.
Quote from: Hardy on September 28, 2010, 05:34:29 PM
Call it what you want. It's a reward for missing.
Should flukes be disallowed?
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 28, 2010, 02:33:58 PM
No Hardy you can still kick a wide in IR. and you get Zero for it.
You must also summit that you can miss in GAA and still get rewarded for it then?
(Have to pop out for a hr, I expect a 3 page debate on the above please befor my return!! ;) )
Stevie Wonder could score a behind in AFL or Bastardised Rules. Its a game that requires little in the way of talent or skill. A behind is awarded to make the players look more skillful then they actually are.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 28, 2010, 06:02:02 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 28, 2010, 02:33:58 PM
No Hardy you can still kick a wide in IR. and you get Zero for it.
You must also summit that you can miss in GAA and still get rewarded for it then?
(Have to pop out for a hr, I expect a 3 page debate on the above please befor my return!! ;) )
Stevie Wonder could score a behind in AFL or Bastardised Rules. Its a game that requires little in the way of talent or skill. A behind is awarded to make the players look more skillful then they actually are.
Completely disagree with all you said. As I've said before the behinds don't win the games so essentially your talking about the same scoring zones as GAA. So how you deem this low skilled I don't know.
Any chance this thread could be kept for discussion around the panels and games themselves? Maybe a seperate thread could be started called something like "I have no interest in international rules/dislike international rules and want to let everyone know".
Quote from: muppet on September 28, 2010, 06:13:12 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 28, 2010, 06:04:43 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 28, 2010, 05:56:35 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 28, 2010, 05:34:29 PM
Call it what you want. It's a reward for missing.
Should flukes be disallowed?
When?
At anytime. It is rewarding a lack of skill.
1. Why would that mean they should be disallowed? It's not as if this is the intention in the framing of the rules. Unlike, for instance, the provision of a set of wide posts with the specific purpose of rewarding lack of skill.
2. How would you distinguish a fluke from a supremely skillful feat?
Quote from: Hardy on September 28, 2010, 08:12:24 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 28, 2010, 06:13:12 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 28, 2010, 06:04:43 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 28, 2010, 05:56:35 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 28, 2010, 05:34:29 PM
Call it what you want. It's a reward for missing.
Should flukes be disallowed?
When?
At anytime. It is rewarding a lack of skill.
1. Why would that mean they should be disallowed? It's not as if this is the intention in the framing of the rules. Unlike, for instance, the provision of a set of wide posts with the specific purpose of rewarding lack of skill.
2. How would you distinguish a fluke from a supremely skillful feat?
A fluke is when they score, a supremely skillful feat is when we score. You are around Gaa matches long enough to know that.
True enough. You've reminded me of a ball that bounced over the bar in an AIF.
Quote from: Hardy on September 28, 2010, 08:48:28 PM
True enough. You've reminded me of a ball that bounced over the bar in an AIF.
Perfect example. To us a complete fluke, to Meath a remarkable act of genius and skill not to mention timing.
Maybe this has been posted already. I like it.
(http://i52.tinypic.com/nwwz2d.jpg)
Are these tests to be shown on tg4?
I see it's "Compromise Rules" again. I thought it officially became "International Rules"?
My memory is a bit hazy, but I seem to remember seeing somewhere that Gaelic Football in the early 1900's had an extra set of posts - I remember it was in the History of Ardboe GAA book
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 29, 2010, 06:41:11 PM
My memory is a bit hazy, but I seem to remember seeing somewhere that Gaelic Football in the early 1900's had an extra set of posts - I remember it was in the History of Ardboe GAA book
They did, and I may be open to correction on this one, but they were by and large mainly structural arrangements wereby it was easier to have a set goals and a set of seperate posts outside them. T'was IMO easier to do it this way in many impoverished area's.
Of course, that was until the creation of the raffle and gaa strictly come dancing in 1910 when clubs finally got around to buying a proper set from the egg chasers.
I haven't been following this thread, so apologies if it has been mentioned... but what's going on with the sponsor?
(http://www.gaa.ie/dynamic/index.php?image=/content/images/sections/tickets_and_merchandise/International_Rules_Logo.jpg)
Quote from: AFS on September 29, 2010, 02:03:45 PM
Maybe this has been posted already. I like it.
(http://i52.tinypic.com/nwwz2d.jpg)
They've fairly fcuked up the Connacht Crest >:(
You're lucky ye are even on it.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 29, 2010, 09:25:27 PM
You're lucky ye are even on it.
Right that's it, we're breaking from the rest of ye and we are taking our odourless gas with us.
(We might finally win something this way too).
Quote from: INDIANA on September 28, 2010, 06:02:02 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 28, 2010, 02:33:58 PM
No Hardy you can still kick a wide in IR. and you get Zero for it.
You must also summit that you can miss in GAA and still get rewarded for it then?
(Have to pop out for a hr, I expect a 3 page debate on the above please befor my return!! ;) )
Stevie Wonder could score a behind in AFL or Bastardised Rules. Its a game that requires little in the way of talent or skill. A behind is awarded to make the players look more skillful then they actually are.
Well lets see Gaelic players regularly shooting from 40-50 yards out and out from the sidelines and see how often they kick wides or the equivalent of behinds if it doesn't require any skill....
Didn't Stevie Wonder play for Mayo?
Quote from: ONeill on September 30, 2010, 10:40:55 PM
Didn't Stevie Wonder play for Mayo?
Send us up a bit of whatever you're smoking there man.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 30, 2010, 04:43:58 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 28, 2010, 06:02:02 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 28, 2010, 02:33:58 PM
No Hardy you can still kick a wide in IR. and you get Zero for it.
You must also summit that you can miss in GAA and still get rewarded for it then?
(Have to pop out for a hr, I expect a 3 page debate on the above please befor my return!! ;) )
Stevie Wonder could score a behind in AFL or Bastardised Rules. Its a game that requires little in the way of talent or skill. A behind is awarded to make the players look more skillful then they actually are.
Well lets see Gaelic players regularly shooting from 40-50 yards out and out from the sidelines and see how often they kick wides or the equivalent of behinds if it doesn't require any skill....
They don't get rewarded for kicking the ball wide. And your point is?...........................................
The guy I remember playing best for the IC rules was Burrishoole's own Colm McManamon.
It nearly seemed like he enjoyed the contact more in it.
Did he ever play or get a trial dwon under?
They'd have had to add another set of goalposts for Colm in fairness.
Jesus he was diabolical at the shooting alright wasnt he?
This game is a laugh. No club plays it. When the Aussies get tough we cry. We want it all our own way, round ball, goalkeepers and dont tackle us hard. When its over nobody will ever play it again until the next handy trip. Its not international, its not county and its not club. Its a joke. By the way if Andy Moran supports Roscommon as we are told let him transfer to a club there and play for them, not fair that he should be playing for Mayo against his will. By the way, Ballaghederreen is a mayo club, always was always will. Change was done for electoral reasons
Quote from: southsidejohnny on October 02, 2010, 04:38:27 PM
This game is a laugh. No club plays it. When the Aussies get tough we cry. We want it all our own way, round ball, goalkeepers and dont tackle us hard. When its over nobody will ever play it again until the next handy trip. Its not international, its not county and its not club. Its a joke. By the way if Andy Moran supports Roscommon as we are told let him transfer to a club there and play for them, not fair that he should be playing for Mayo against his will. By the way, Ballaghederreen is a mayo club, always was always will. Change was done for electoral reasons
Andy Moran would have to move house and get an address in the area of some Ros club if he wants to transfer.
Ballaghadereen is a Roscommon town and always will be no matter what Co Board the silly local GAA club wants to affiliate to.
Anyway Bray Emmets won an All Ireland as "Dublin" but the town is still in Wickla.
As for the Intl Rules ...they get some crowds for what you call a joke.
A lot more than will watch you anyway y'eejit. ;D
Speaking of Ballaghadreen, will Mayo/Roscommon man Pearse Hanley be playing in this?
Really couldnt be arsed goin through the previous pages to see, do any of ye's know the squad for it? Has it been named, or what stage is it even at, i.e still trial stages, boys to be called up/cut?
Anyone know is it possible to get tickets for this anywhere apart from ticketmaster?
Quote from: Jinxy on October 02, 2010, 10:20:11 PM
Speaking of Ballaghadreen, will Mayo/Roscommon man Pearse Hanley be playing in this?
I heard that the Roscommon man (and ex Mayowestrossouthsligo player) is on he squad.
One fear is that the whole thing will end up with no Gaelic footballers on the Irish team , just all Irish lads who play Rules in Oz.
Wonder will the money be there for the gaa to advertise this as well as previous years. I always enjoy it and good to get to see some of the best players in the country play together. There's not many big occasions under lights in Croke Park and hope to make it down.
They'll do well to sell out Limerick. Was a strange choice of venue, thought Casement was the better option.
Hopefully it dies on it's arse this year.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 05, 2010, 11:37:38 PM
Hopefully it dies on it's arse this year.
WHy do you hope that? It mightn't be your cup of tea but I don't see what hrm its doing. The players enjoy it and so do a lot of supporters. Its not as though Ricky Nixon will forget where Dublin Airport is if the series is abandoned.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 06, 2010, 12:19:29 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 05, 2010, 11:39:07 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 05, 2010, 11:37:38 PM
Hopefully it dies on it's arse this year.
Why?
Because it's an abomination of a game.
I seriously don't understand the animosity towards this thing by some people, if the players enjoy it (and apparently they do) and you can get fairly decent crowds to it (and they do) where is the harm?
Yet every time it rears it's head you get people railing against it using words like 'abomination' and hoping the concept "dies on it's arse" etc.
Not meaning to single you out Jinxy but you're not the only one with this attitude, would it not be easier to let them get on with it?
Fair enough if it's not your thing - but the almost foaming at the mouth reaction it appears to get really does baffle me ???
Quote from: tyssam5 on September 28, 2010, 04:28:17 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 28, 2010, 02:29:46 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 28, 2010, 02:27:18 PM
Dunno Hardy, You could go onto big footy and ask?
Do you agree that the behinds have little influence on an IR game.
Yes. I'm just debating the point about whether the behind is a reward for kicking a wide. I submit that I've demonstrated that it is. :P
The behind means you don't get draws (3rd ever I think in AR final at weekend) and should somewhat reward a teams amount of possession in a game even if they are less than accurate.
A defender can concede a point with his fist (or any other part of his body) when up against a more talented fielder, given the reward for a clean catch it stops teams selecting 7 ft monsters to stand in front of the goals and wait for the high bomb to drop all day
Quote from: Rossfan on October 02, 2010, 09:34:52 PM
Quote from: southsidejohnny on October 02, 2010, 04:38:27 PM
This game is a laugh. No club plays it. When the Aussies get tough we cry. We want it all our own way, round ball, goalkeepers and dont tackle us hard. When its over nobody will ever play it again until the next handy trip. Its not international, its not county and its not club. Its a joke. By the way if Andy Moran supports Roscommon as we are told let him transfer to a club there and play for them, not fair that he should be playing for Mayo against his will. By the way, Ballaghederreen is a mayo club, always was always will. Change was done for electoral reasons
Andy Moran would have to move house and get an address in the area of some Ros club if he wants to transfer.
Ballaghadereen is a Roscommon town and always will be no matter what Co Board the silly local GAA club wants to affiliate to.
Anyway Bray Emmets won an All Ireland as "Dublin" but the town is still in Wickla.
As for the Intl Rules ...they get some crowds for what you call a joke.
A lot more than will watch you anyway y'eejit. ;D
Ballaghade
reen could be in Roscommon for all I know! We all know that Ballaghade
rreen plays it's club football in Mayo! ;) :P
i was reading today the alan freeman appears to be going well at the trials
Quote from: stephenite on October 06, 2010, 12:26:59 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 06, 2010, 12:19:29 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 05, 2010, 11:39:07 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 05, 2010, 11:37:38 PM
Hopefully it dies on it's arse this year.
Why?
Because it's an abomination of a game.
I seriously don't understand the animosity towards this thing by some people, if the players enjoy it (and apparently they do) and you can get fairly decent crowds to it (and they do) where is the harm?
Yet every time it rears it's head you get people railing against it using words like 'abomination' and hoping the concept "dies on it's arse" etc.
Not meaning to single you out Jinxy but you're not the only one with this attitude, would it not be easier to let them get on with it?
Fair enough if it's not your thing - but the almost foaming at the mouth reaction it appears to get really does baffle me ???
This is Ireland.
We have a proud history of not letting people get on with stuff.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on October 06, 2010, 11:22:26 AM
i was reading today the alan freeman appears to be going well at the trials
Fluff not a bit old for this melarkey?
I've went from being a huge fan of IR to detesting it, when all arguments are tossed back and forth at the end of the day it's shit and nothing without the threat/promise of a dust up - and that seems to be the tag line for TG4's ads.
Quote from: stephenite on October 06, 2010, 12:26:59 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 06, 2010, 12:19:29 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 05, 2010, 11:39:07 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 05, 2010, 11:37:38 PM
Hopefully it dies on it's arse this year.
Why?
Because it's an abomination of a game.
I seriously don't understand the animosity towards this thing by some people, if the players enjoy it (and apparently they do) and you can get fairly decent crowds to it (and they do) where is the harm?
Yet every time it rears it's head you get people railing against it using words like 'abomination' and hoping the concept "dies on it's arse" etc.
Not meaning to single you out Jinxy but you're not the only one with this attitude, would it not be easier to let them get on with it?
Fair enough if it's not your thing - but the almost foaming at the mouth reaction it appears to get really does baffle me ???
Im baffled as to how some county players are prioritisng this ahead of winning a club championship with their club. Which I know 100% for a fact that some are. Says a lot about the place of the club in the GAA that this pile of shite supercedes it.
Once more the more extreme GAABoarders are totally out of touch with the people of Ireland and it's Footballers.
:D ;D
Did Seán Cavanagh say that winning this nonsense was up there with winning an All-Ireland?
A few years ago.
I'm nearly sure he did.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 06, 2010, 10:33:57 PM
Did Seán Cavanagh say that winning this nonsense was up there with winning an All-Ireland?
A few years ago.
I'm nearly sure he did.
We beat Boden by 2 points tonight and mc auley was anonymous. He's been training like a lunatic for the aussie rules and has barely trained with his club. I'm delighted because it helped us but I'd be pissed off if I was the Boden manager. Bernard Brogan is at the same crack as well and plunketts have never won a senior championship.
I can't get over this. I wouldn't piss on an Aussie Rules international cap. But I'd crawl across broken glass for miles to retrieve one of my county championship medals.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 06, 2010, 10:33:57 PM
Did Seán Cavanagh say that winning this nonsense was up there with winning an All-Ireland?
A few years ago.
I'm nearly sure he did.
So, he was leading his country out at a sport he enjoys. Of course he would be proud of it. What some of you people don't get is, just because you don't like the game doesn't mean others think the same way. I know if I was leading my country out at any team sport I'd feel on top of the world. And just because there's some that "wouldn't piss on an Ozzie rules cap" I wouldn't let that take it away from me.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 06, 2010, 06:53:56 PMIm baffled as to how some county players are prioritisng this ahead of winning a club championship with their club. Which I know 100% for a fact that some are. Says a lot about the place of the club in the GAA that this pile of shite supercedes it.
I'd say it says more about the player than the place of the club - if that's what they want, as amateurs, that's their choice.
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 07, 2010, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 06, 2010, 10:33:57 PM
Did Seán Cavanagh say that winning this nonsense was up there with winning an All-Ireland?
A few years ago.
I'm nearly sure he did.
So, he was leading his country out at a sport he enjoys. Of course he would be proud of it. What some of you people don't get is, just because you don't like the game doesn't mean others think the same way. I know if I was leading my country out at any team sport I'd feel on top of the world. And just because there's some that "wouldn't piss on an Ozzie rules cap" I wouldn't let that take it away from me.
What if it was tag rugby?
Quote from: Jinxy on October 07, 2010, 12:42:49 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 07, 2010, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 06, 2010, 10:33:57 PM
Did Seán Cavanagh say that winning this nonsense was up there with winning an All-Ireland?
A few years ago.
I'm nearly sure he did.
So, he was leading his country out at a sport he enjoys. Of course he would be proud of it. What some of you people don't get is, just because you don't like the game doesn't mean others think the same way. I know if I was leading my country out at any team sport I'd feel on top of the world. And just because there's some that "wouldn't piss on an Ozzie rules cap" I wouldn't let that take it away from me.
What if it was tag rugby?
Sure wouldn't it mean that your one of the best tag rugby players in Ireland. What's not to be proud of? :)
I'd rather get an All-Star than be picked for this thing tbh.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 06, 2010, 06:53:56 PM
Im baffled as to how some county players are prioritisng this ahead of winning a club championship with their club. Which I know 100% for a fact that some are. Says a lot about the place of the club in the GAA that this pile of shite supercedes it.
Why don't you post on your club website?
This is an international site.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 07, 2010, 01:41:01 PM
I'd rather get an All-Star than be picked for this thing tbh.
I'd rather both. I don't think they're exclusive.
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 29, 2010, 07:24:16 PM
I haven't been following this thread, so apologies if it has been mentioned... but what's going on with the sponsor?
(http://www.gaa.ie/dynamic/index.php?image=/content/images/sections/tickets_and_merchandise/International_Rules_Logo.jpg)
There's no Irish fecking Daily Mail on my shirt. Thank you indelible black marker maker!
I'd rather win a North Mayo Winter league medal with my club - it doesn't take away from my ability to enjoy watching this game when it is played.
Still baffled, the old begrudgery excuse is fairly lame
Quote from: stephenite on October 07, 2010, 10:19:21 PM
I'd rather win a North Mayo Winter league medal with my club - it doesn't take away from my ability to enjoy watching this game when it is played.
Still baffled, the old begrudgery excuse is fairly lame
The venom is amazing. Lots of Gaa players play garrison games such as Rugby and Soccer during the winter but representing their country and the Gaa is what draws out the bile.
Quote from: muppet on October 07, 2010, 10:23:32 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 07, 2010, 10:19:21 PM
I'd rather win a North Mayo Winter league medal with my club - it doesn't take away from my ability to enjoy watching this game when it is played.
Still baffled, the old begrudgery excuse is fairly lame
The venom is amazing. Lots of Gaa players play garrison games such as Rugby and Soccer during the winter but representing their country and the Gaa is what draws out the bile.
They aren't representing the GAA. This game is not part of the rules of the Association. And never will be. Its an exhibition game used for vanity reasons by the Gaa's top brass to convince themselves that the game some day might stretch beyond the confines of Ireland.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 07, 2010, 11:38:03 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 07, 2010, 10:23:32 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 07, 2010, 10:19:21 PM
I'd rather win a North Mayo Winter league medal with my club - it doesn't take away from my ability to enjoy watching this game when it is played.
Still baffled, the old begrudgery excuse is fairly lame
The venom is amazing. Lots of Gaa players play garrison games such as Rugby and Soccer during the winter but representing their country and the Gaa is what draws out the bile.
They aren't representing the GAA. This game is not part of the rules of the Association. And never will be. Its an exhibition game used for vanity reasons by the Gaa's top brass to convince themselves that the game some day might stretch beyond the confines of Ireland.
You are defeating your own argument.
The Gaa arranged the Fixture.
The Gaa provide the venues.
The Gaa will sell tickets.
Gaa players feature on our team.
A Gaa referee will officiate.
The Gaa insure the players.
Quote from: muppet on October 07, 2010, 11:44:14 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 07, 2010, 11:38:03 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 07, 2010, 10:23:32 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 07, 2010, 10:19:21 PM
I'd rather win a North Mayo Winter league medal with my club - it doesn't take away from my ability to enjoy watching this game when it is played.
Still baffled, the old begrudgery excuse is fairly lame
The venom is amazing. Lots of Gaa players play garrison games such as Rugby and Soccer during the winter but representing their country and the Gaa is what draws out the bile.
They aren't representing the GAA. This game is not part of the rules of the Association. And never will be. Its an exhibition game used for vanity reasons by the Gaa's top brass to convince themselves that the game some day might stretch beyond the confines of Ireland.
You are defeating your own argument.
The Gaa arranged the Fixture.
The Gaa provide the venues.
The Gaa will sell tickets.
Gaa players feature on our team.
A Gaa referee will officiate.
The Gaa insure the players.
Perhaps you could point out what clubs or counties play compromise rules?
The AFL had an ad for the series at half time and after last weeks grand final replay. Gary Ablett said he's putting himself forward for it. Looks like they are going to be taking it serious over here.
Games to be shown live on foxtel early on Sunday morning and then delayed coverage on free to air tv at 10am on the Sunday morning.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 07, 2010, 11:48:47 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 07, 2010, 11:44:14 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 07, 2010, 11:38:03 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 07, 2010, 10:23:32 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 07, 2010, 10:19:21 PM
I'd rather win a North Mayo Winter league medal with my club - it doesn't take away from my ability to enjoy watching this game when it is played.
Still baffled, the old begrudgery excuse is fairly lame
The venom is amazing. Lots of Gaa players play garrison games such as Rugby and Soccer during the winter but representing their country and the Gaa is what draws out the bile.
They aren't representing the GAA. This game is not part of the rules of the Association. And never will be. Its an exhibition game used for vanity reasons by the Gaa's top brass to convince themselves that the game some day might stretch beyond the confines of Ireland.
You are defeating your own argument.
The Gaa arranged the Fixture.
The Gaa provide the venues.
The Gaa will sell tickets.
Gaa players feature on our team.
A Gaa referee will officiate.
The Gaa insure the players.
Perhaps you could point out what clubs or counties play compromise rules?
Why would I do that? It is irrelevant.
Quote from: muppet on October 07, 2010, 11:50:02 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 07, 2010, 11:48:47 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 07, 2010, 11:44:14 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 07, 2010, 11:38:03 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 07, 2010, 10:23:32 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 07, 2010, 10:19:21 PM
I'd rather win a North Mayo Winter league medal with my club - it doesn't take away from my ability to enjoy watching this game when it is played.
Still baffled, the old begrudgery excuse is fairly lame
The venom is amazing. Lots of Gaa players play garrison games such as Rugby and Soccer during the winter but representing their country and the Gaa is what draws out the bile.
They aren't representing the GAA. This game is not part of the rules of the Association. And never will be. Its an exhibition game used for vanity reasons by the Gaa's top brass to convince themselves that the game some day might stretch beyond the confines of Ireland.
You are defeating your own argument.
The Gaa arranged the Fixture.
The Gaa provide the venues.
The Gaa will sell tickets.
Gaa players feature on our team.
A Gaa referee will officiate.
The Gaa insure the players.
Perhaps you could point out what clubs or counties play compromise rules?
Why would I do that? It is irrelevant.
Its not really. It just re-inforces my point of it being a vanity event which is again interfereing with club fixtures.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 08, 2010, 12:09:00 AM
Quote from: muppet on October 07, 2010, 11:50:02 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 07, 2010, 11:48:47 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 07, 2010, 11:44:14 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 07, 2010, 11:38:03 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 07, 2010, 10:23:32 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 07, 2010, 10:19:21 PM
I'd rather win a North Mayo Winter league medal with my club - it doesn't take away from my ability to enjoy watching this game when it is played.
Still baffled, the old begrudgery excuse is fairly lame
The venom is amazing. Lots of Gaa players play garrison games such as Rugby and Soccer during the winter but representing their country and the Gaa is what draws out the bile.
They aren't representing the GAA. This game is not part of the rules of the Association. And never will be. Its an exhibition game used for vanity reasons by the Gaa's top brass to convince themselves that the game some day might stretch beyond the confines of Ireland.
You are defeating your own argument.
The Gaa arranged the Fixture.
The Gaa provide the venues.
The Gaa will sell tickets.
Gaa players feature on our team.
A Gaa referee will officiate.
The Gaa insure the players.
Perhaps you could point out what clubs or counties play compromise rules?
Why would I do that? It is irrelevant.
Its not really. It just re-inforces my point of it being a vanity event which is again interfereing with club fixtures.
Colm Cooper doesn't like it, wants to concentrate on the club scene. That's fine, his choice.
Alan Brogan wants to concentrate on the club scene. That's fine, his choice.
Bernard Brogan wants to concentrate on playing for Ireland. That's fine his choice.
They're amateur players FFS-they can concentrate on whatever they want, it's up to them.
Jaysus,id love to play for my country if i were good enough,but missing a Club Championship game for it,i could never do it.
Good luck to Bernard though,its not a nice decision for anyone to have to make,as you only get so few chances to represent your country.
The attitude to sport in Oz is totally different around the tackle. Look at what AFL is up against......league....hard tackling. ireland haven't recovered from the Ozzies learning how to kick the round ball. if they don't find another upper hand, the series is finished.
I too can't believe the venom against it. It's not as if it's taking the place of football. If you don't like it, don't watch it. If the players don't like it, they won't play it. If the sponsors don't like it they ...... you get the picture.
Quote from: stephenite on October 07, 2010, 10:19:21 PM
I'd rather win a North Mayo Winter league medal with my club - it doesn't take away from my ability to enjoy watching this game when it is played.
Still baffled, the old begrudgery excuse is fairly lame
don't be belittling the winter league Stephenite ;) have one in me back pocket while playing for keenagh for all i know ros could have been on the same team
Quote from: Clarin Pearl on October 08, 2010, 08:48:35 AM
The attitude to sport in Oz is totally different around the tackle. Look at what AFL is up against......league....hard tackling. ireland haven't recovered from the Ozzies learning how to kick the round ball. if they don't find another upper hand, the series is finished.
Who won the last series?
Junk sport.
Agree with you Hardy, but when it's all we have to showcase our best on a pseudo-international stage I'll row in behind.
I like Bud's idea. Let's promote our own unbastardised, non-hybrid sports to as wide an audience as possible, giving a much needed hand to those overseas who are tirelessly pushing the dream.
Why do the GAA feel that the only international dimension they can give to our great games is on the back of a mongrel?
Ah here, yis are just winding now - Mongrel sport it is now, and this from someone who'll row in behind it?
Again, if the players want to play in it and the fans want to watch, the hurlers on the ditch won't be listened to.
Cause we're a country of fecking begrudgers.
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 08, 2010, 12:31:32 PM
Cause we're a country of fecking begrudgers.
correct, winge'rs and whiners
I'm looking forward to it, always enjoy it. Maybe keep this thread for series buildup, squad selections etc and maybe Indiana, Jinxy, Hardy etc could have a hate-fest in the 'We Hate International Rules' thread (ye'd have to set it up)
Quote from: stephenite on October 08, 2010, 12:29:50 PM
Ah here, yis are just winding now - Mongrel sport it is now, and this from someone who'll row in behind it?
Yep, I'll row in behind it, and I'll be surrounded by Aussies (in Oz, for the first game). But sure if that's all I have to cheer for I'll do it and wish our lads well, but will still be wistful for the dream of unadulterated gaelic games across continents.
So feck you begrudgers :D
Quote from: J OGorman on October 08, 2010, 01:00:06 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 08, 2010, 12:31:32 PM
Cause we're a country of fecking begrudgers.
correct, winge'rs and whiners
I'm looking forward to it, always enjoy it. Maybe keep this thread for series buildup, squad selections etc and maybe Indiana, Jinxy, Hardy etc could have a hate-fest in the 'We Hate International Rules' thread (ye'd have to set it up)
Hate is a bit strong.
I just think it's a daft-looking, manufactured game.
I went to it last time it was here and was surrounded by people that clapped and cheered when we got a 'behind'.
Gary Ablett, the number one name in Australian Rules football at present, is a surprise absentee from manager, Mick Malthouse's 22-man squad named today.
Ablett recently made a big money move from Geelong to the new Gold Coast franchise. Considering the relative inexperience of the touring party, Ablett told Malthouse he needed time to sort out his new living arrangements on the Gold Coast
Sixteen of the Australian squad will make their test debuts in the series which takes place in Limerick and Dublin at the end of this month. Only six of the team have previous experience of playing in the competition – Matthew Boyd, Dustin Fletcher, Adam Goodes, Brad Green, Leigh Montagna and Kade Simpson.
Carlton and Sydney have the biggest representation with 3 players from each side making the squad. The Western Bulldogs, Fremantle, Melbourne, St Kilda, Collingwood and Geelong have two representatives each while Brisbane, Adelaide, Essendon and Richmond have one each.
Dustin Fletcher returns...
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/10/08/ablett-in-shock-omission-from-australian-international-rules-squad/
I have started taping the old games from TG4, so far I have only got the 1st test from 2003. What year did Geezer get heavily involved with one of the aussies? In the test I have recorded, there is a time where he punched a man right in the stomach - was a cracker of a shot.
Looking forward to these, primarily for the reason that it'll be the last commentary from Micháel O M. I hope the games do his commentary justice.
Quote from: stephenite on October 08, 2010, 12:29:50 PM
Again, if the players want to play in it and the fans want to watch, the hurlers on the ditch won't be listened to.
Westlife want to "sing" their shite; fans in their millions want to listen to it. It's still junk.
In your opinion. Course there's a lot out there that would disagree with that.
Quote from: Hardy on October 08, 2010, 05:20:30 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 08, 2010, 12:29:50 PM
Again, if the players want to play in it and the fans want to watch, the hurlers on the ditch won't be listened to.
Westlife want to "sing" their shite; fans in their millions want to listen to it. It's still junk.
So true
Quote from: Hardy on October 08, 2010, 05:20:30 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 08, 2010, 12:29:50 PM
Again, if the players want to play in it and the fans want to watch, the hurlers on the ditch won't be listened to.
Westlife want to "sing" their shite; fans in their millions want to listen to it. It's still junk.
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 08, 2010, 05:33:44 PM
In your opinion. Course there's a lot out there that would disagree with that.
Do you?
Give me the international rules over that muck served up in the Aviva tonight any day - you'd save 40-50 euros as well.
Ireland need them Aussies put back in their place, show them how a real game is played instead of runnin round a field wearin vests and pullin boys by the shorts :/
The Full Aussie squad:
•Todd Banfield (Brisbane Lions) - don't know much about him
•Eddie Betts (Carlton) - small and fast forward
•Matthew Boyd (Western Bulldogs) - don't know him
•Daniel Cross (Western Bulldogs) - ditto
•Patrick Dangerfield (Adelaide Crows) - strong, fast, great feet
•Paul Duffield (Fremantle) - almost sacked 2 years ago but now a very strong running and fcukin tough midfielder
•Dustin Fletcher (Essendon) - fossil, probably keeper
•James Frawley (Melbourne) - dunno
•Bryce Gibbs (Carlton) - will go through you for a short cut
•Sam Gilbert (St Kilda) - ditto
•Tyson Goldsack (Collingwood) - stupid name, big strong forward.
•Adam Goodes (Sydney Swans) - a man mountain. Very powerful runner
•Brad Green (Melbourne) - hard as nails
•Garrick Ibbotson (Fremantle) - very fast midfielder.
•Kieran Jack (Sydney Swans) - will also go through you for short cut. great tackler
•Jarrad McVeigh (Sydney Swans) - will run all day
•Leigh Montagna (St Kilda) - small powerful running midfielder
•Jack Riewoldt (Richmond) - the less famous cousin of Nick but a key forward
•Kade Simpson (Carlton) - dunno
•Dane Swan (Collingwood) - probably brought in to "toughen" things up a bit. Almost as famous for his tattoos.
•Travis Varcoe (Geelong Cats) - superb athlete. Fast, strong and fckin tough
•David Wojcinski (Geelong Cats) - dunno
A better mix of height and strength this time by the Aussies.
Quote from: Aerlik on October 09, 2010, 12:43:38 AM
The Full Aussie squad:
•Todd Banfield (Brisbane Lions) - don't know much about him
•Eddie Betts (Carlton) - small and fast forward
•Matthew Boyd (Western Bulldogs) - don't know him
•Daniel Cross (Western Bulldogs) - ditto
•Patrick Dangerfield (Adelaide Crows) - strong, fast, great feet
•Paul Duffield (Fremantle) - almost sacked 2 years ago but now a very strong running and fcukin tough midfielder
•Dustin Fletcher (Essendon) - fossil, probably keeper
•James Frawley (Melbourne) - dunno
•Bryce Gibbs (Carlton) - will go through you for a short cut
•Sam Gilbert (St Kilda) - ditto
•Tyson Goldsack (Collingwood) - stupid name, big strong forward.
•Adam Goodes (Sydney Swans) - a man mountain. Very powerful runner
•Brad Green (Melbourne) - hard as nails
•Garrick Ibbotson (Fremantle) - very fast midfielder.
•Kieran Jack (Sydney Swans) - will also go through you for short cut. great tackler
•Jarrad McVeigh (Sydney Swans) - will run all day
•Leigh Montagna (St Kilda) - small powerful running midfielder
•Jack Riewoldt (Richmond) - the less famous cousin of Nick but a key forward
•Kade Simpson (Carlton) - dunno
•Dane Swan (Collingwood) - probably brought in to "toughen" things up a bit. Almost as famous for his tattoos.
•Travis Varcoe (Geelong Cats) - superb athlete. Fast, strong and fckin tough
•David Wojcinski (Geelong Cats) - dunno
A better mix of height and strength this time by the Aussies.
Banfield is a crumb forward who just finished his first season with the Lions. Small, nippy, not really the type the Aussies usually bring to the party.
Thought Ablett said he was going to be involved?
I used to be such a fan of this series but now I just think it's all a cod.
There was a time when, with both teams going flat out for victory and not bothering with the sniping stuff, there were genuinely close and super fast, exciting contests. But with the Aussies being fully pro, it's clear to me it's just not viable to take them on in a real contest and expect anything but a hammering. Look at how we got our arses handed to us when Sheedy was in charge a few years ago, it was men against boys in the second test when they decided to maximise their advantages against us - strength and fitness mainly, although embarrassingly they're better than us with the round ball now too and score more overs usually.
Then after the brouhaha because of the violence, the Aussies put someone else in charge and they put out a weak team and played like meek lambs. The last test was pure dull I thought, no bite at all although you'd never want the chaos and mayhem again either.
I will still watch it and hope Ireland win, and I don't agree with actively campaigning against it either - if people/players etc. like it, let them at it - but IMO, when one side has to be neutered to compensate for the others massive weaknesses, then it is just not a real game.
But for the fans of it out there, I hope you enjoy it and that there's good games.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 08, 2010, 11:18:42 PM
Quote from: Hardy on October 08, 2010, 05:20:30 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 08, 2010, 12:29:50 PM
Again, if the players want to play in it and the fans want to watch, the hurlers on the ditch won't be listened to.
Westlife want to "sing" their shite; fans in their millions want to listen to it. It's still junk.
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 08, 2010, 05:33:44 PM
In your opinion. Course there's a lot out there that would disagree with that.
Do you?
I disagree with his view on IR. And there's plenty out there who'll disagree with his view on West life.
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 09, 2010, 09:52:26 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 08, 2010, 11:18:42 PM
Quote from: Hardy on October 08, 2010, 05:20:30 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 08, 2010, 12:29:50 PM
Again, if the players want to play in it and the fans want to watch, the hurlers on the ditch won't be listened to.
Westlife want to "sing" their shite; fans in their millions want to listen to it. It's still junk.
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 08, 2010, 05:33:44 PM
In your opinion. Course there's a lot out there that would disagree with that.
Do you?
I disagree with his view on IR. And there's plenty out there who'll disagree with his view on West life.
Does the fact that they don't think it's junk mean it's not junk?
Quote from: Hardy on October 09, 2010, 10:10:02 AM
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 09, 2010, 09:52:26 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 08, 2010, 11:18:42 PM
Quote from: Hardy on October 08, 2010, 05:20:30 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 08, 2010, 12:29:50 PM
Again, if the players want to play in it and the fans want to watch, the hurlers on the ditch won't be listened to.
Westlife want to "sing" their shite; fans in their millions want to listen to it. It's still junk.
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 08, 2010, 05:33:44 PM
In your opinion. Course there's a lot out there that would disagree with that.
Do you?
I disagree with his view on IR. And there's plenty out there who'll disagree with his view on West life.
Does the fact that they don't think it's junk mean it's not junk?
Does the fact you think it is junk mean that it is junk? I know there's things I would view as junk that others don't. But I wouldn't be under the impression that my view was always the correct one. That would kinda smack of self importance.
Relativism can only take you so far. Sometimes you have to be categorical and say what you think. So - is Westlife junk or not?
All you can do is give your opinion hardy. I'm no fan of westlife (wouldn't say I detest them either)
But I can accept and understand why some people do like them.
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 09, 2010, 10:36:54 AM
All you can do is give your opinion hardy. I'm no fan of westlife (wouldn't say I detest them either)
But I can accept and understand why so people do like them.
Sure that was my whole point, in response to the point that players want to play it and people want to watch it - that popularity is irrelevant to quality.
But my point is that your view of the quality of something isn't always the correct one. Were you see no quality, others do. It doesn't mean their wrong and your right!
What's the point in going out of your way to tell them their opinion is wrong?
I assume Hardy doesn't hang around Westlife online discussion boards deriding teenage girls on their tastes?
It's the venom towards this thing that I haven't been able to understand.
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 09, 2010, 10:43:35 AM
But my point is that your view of the quality of something isn't always the correct one. Were you see no quality, others do. It doesn't mean their wrong and your right!
The debate about the quality of an individual item (say Westlife or International Rules) is a distraction from the point I wanted to make - that there's no argument that relates quality to popularity.
I said IR is junk. Stephenite said (effectively) it's popular. I said that doesn't mean it's not junk. That's all.
We can go on and debate whether anything you care to mention is good or bad, high quality or junk. I'd say that there are some things on which we have to abandon relativism, that are beyond opinion and are objectively junk.
Westlife, Boyzone, etc.
Reality TV
Tommy Lyons's opinions on football
Hello Magazine
Celebrity culture
Tyrone football
etc.
Quote from: Hardy on October 09, 2010, 11:12:30 AM
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 09, 2010, 10:43:35 AM
But my point is that your view of the quality of something isn't always the correct one. Were you see no quality, others do. It doesn't mean their wrong and your right!
The debate about the quality of an individual item (say Westlife or International Rules) is a distraction from the point I wanted to make - that there's no argument that relates quality to popularity.
I said IR is junk. Stephenite said (effectively) it's popular. I said that doesn't mean it's not junk. That's all.
We can go on and debate whether anything you care to mention is good or bad, high quality or junk. I'd say that there are some things on which we have to abandon relativism, that are beyond opinion and are objectively junk.
Westlife, Boyzone, etc.
Reality TV
Tommy Lyons's opinions on football
Hello Magazine
Celebrity culture
Tyrone football
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low blow! :)
What gets me on the point of IR is that the people who hate it seem to be very vocal on it. I could understand someone not liking it and, maybe say, not attending it. But as stephnite says it the venom against it that I don't understand.
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 09, 2010, 11:26:49 AM
Quote from: Hardy on October 09, 2010, 11:12:30 AM
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 09, 2010, 10:43:35 AM
But my point is that your view of the quality of something isn't always the correct one. Were you see no quality, others do. It doesn't mean their wrong and your right!
The debate about the quality of an individual item (say Westlife or International Rules) is a distraction from the point I wanted to make - that there's no argument that relates quality to popularity.
I said IR is junk. Stephenite said (effectively) it's popular. I said that doesn't mean it's not junk. That's all.
We can go on and debate whether anything you care to mention is good or bad, high quality or junk. I'd say that there are some things on which we have to abandon relativism, that are beyond opinion and are objectively junk.
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low blow! :)
What gets me on the point of IR is that the people who hate it seem to be very vocal on it. I could understand someone not liking it and, maybe say, not attending it. But as stephnite says it the venom against it that I don't understand.
Because it interferes with club fixtures. Already in dublin the county final has been pushed forward a week because of it. Club players get screwed over all season and then this arrives and screws them over even more. All for an exhibition game featuring a sport that doesn't even form part of the Associations games.
I'd disagree with interfering with club games, but that's not the reason people want it to die on it's arse. Did the Dublin CB re-schedule it?
Quote from: INDIANA on October 09, 2010, 11:43:12 AM
. But as stephnite says it the venom against it that I don't understand.
Because it interferes with club fixtures. [/quote]
So do Inter County games.
I for one will be attending in Croke Park and hope to enjoy the game and will be delighted if one of our lads gets to wear the Irish jersey,.
To those who don't like it or have no time for it ....
do like I do with Rugby ...just ignore it and let us get on with enjoying it.
Anyway shouldnt Dublin have their championhips finished before the end of October?
Quote from: stephenite on October 09, 2010, 11:48:55 AM
I'd disagree with interfering with club games, but that's not the reason people want it to die on it's arse. Did the Dublin CB re-schedule it?
On advisement from HQ. This is already causing problems for the teams involved. Because the final was fixed for the bank holiday weekend lads had planned out work schedules IF they got to the final. Now its a shambles for lads who are involved doing shifts at work for example. I know of two lads if they win this weekend have to try and swap weekend shifts next week to be able to play.
Club players work their lives around the demands of the county team and are happy to do so because many have friends playing, love of the county jersey etc. No better feeling then being in Croke Park watching your county team playing championship in my view. But a lot of club players are pissed off quite frankly about having to accomodate an exhibition game.
I dont see a place in the calendar for this. Club fixtures should not be interfered with to accomodate it.
Quote from: Hardy on October 09, 2010, 11:12:30 AM
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 09, 2010, 10:43:35 AM
But my point is that your view of the quality of something isn't always the correct one. Were you see no quality, others do. It doesn't mean their wrong and your right!
The debate about the quality of an individual item (say Westlife or International Rules) is a distraction from the point I wanted to make - that there's no argument that relates quality to popularity.
I said IR is junk. Stephenite said (effectively) it's popular. I said that doesn't mean it's not junk. That's all.
We can go on and debate whether anything you care to mention is good or bad, high quality or junk. I'd say that there are some things on which we have to abandon relativism, that are beyond opinion and are objectively junk.
Westlife, Boyzone, etc.
Reality TV
Tommy Lyons's opinions on football
Hello Magazine
Celebrity culture
Tyrone football
etc.
Jaysus Hardy, I totally agree with you on all of those. Now my opinion on IR would be somewhat different, but not altogether. I'd share cavanmaniac's viewpoint on this series.
When does Mr Tohill name his squad?
Benny Coulter will not be playing in this series because of injury.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 09, 2010, 12:04:21 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 09, 2010, 11:48:55 AM
I'd disagree with interfering with club games, but that's not the reason people want it to die on it's arse. Did the Dublin CB re-schedule it?
On advisement from HQ. This is already causing problems for the teams involved. Because the final was fixed for the bank holiday weekend lads had planned out work schedules IF they got to the final. Now its a shambles for lads who are involved doing shifts at work for example. I know of two lads if they win this weekend have to try and swap weekend shifts next week to be able to play.
Club players work their lives around the demands of the county team and are happy to do so because many have friends playing, love of the county jersey etc. No better feeling then being in Croke Park watching your county team playing championship in my view. But a lot of club players are pissed off quite frankly about having to accomodate an exhibition game.
I dont see a place in the calendar for this. Club fixtures should not be interfered with to accomodate it.
When's the dublin final on now then? Shouldn't be to much interference with the international rules now that Brogan and McAuley won't be in it?
Why I hate International rules series
It's another way of poaching players to the Aussie game.
It does not reward the best FOOTBALL players in the GAA. Adaptable players are picked.
It interferes with unfinished Club fixtures.
It has killed the Railway Cup. Which if marketed and ran correctly could be an excellent competition.
When the series is played in Ireland, Irish players are put at risk as the Aussies usually let loose away from home.
Sadly most people go for the fights or to see a player dangerously tackled!
The lack of serious disciplinary measures means that there are really no rules to cope with players going mad with dangerous tackles. And the Referees look to be more in an advisory role than a controlling one.
It does nothing for relationships with the Aussies, as they come here, do an array of dangerous tackles, beat up our boys and call us bad losers. They see nothing wrong with this and we end up huffed!
Really we have very little in common overall psychologically between the two codes. The Aussies and The Irish have different values, different levels of professionalism, and different levels of education.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 11, 2010, 09:21:54 PM
It has killed the Railway Cup. Which if marketed and ran correctly could be an excellent competition.
Now I know you're a WUM :D
Forget about the Railway Cup too.
Jesus you'd swear we were stuck for a game of football to watch!
No wind up man!
Now lads can you do me a favour? If any of you know any of the Irish players, can you tell them to go easy on Duffield and Broughton of Australia? Both are key Fremantle players and as there is every likelihood Fremantle will be there or therebouts on the last Saturday of September next year, we need to keep the lads uninjured.
Goodonya.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 11, 2010, 09:21:54 PM
Why I hate International rules series
It's another way of poaching players to the Aussie game.
It does not reward the best FOOTBALL players in the GAA. Adaptable players are picked.
It interferes with unfinished Club fixtures.
It has killed the Railway Cup. Which if marketed and ran correctly could be an excellent competition.
When the series is played in Ireland, Irish players are put at risk as the Aussies usually let loose away from home.
Sadly most people go for the fights or to see a player dangerously tackled!
The lack of serious disciplinary measures means that there are really no rules to cope with players going mad with dangerous tackles. And the Referees look to be more in an advisory role than a controlling one.
It does nothing for relationships with the Aussies, as they come here, do an array of dangerous tackles, beat up our boys and call us bad losers. They see nothing wrong with this and we end up huffed!
Really we have very little in common overall psychologically between the two codes. The Aussies and The Irish have different values, different levels of professionalism, and different levels of education.
Don't have time to deal with all the points but on the 1st few:
- As far as I'm aware not 1 Irish player has been poached as a result of participation in international rules at senior level
- You only have to go through the list of players to see that it involves a lot of the top footballers in the country. Does it really matter which players get rewarded as long as some are?
- I'd say you'd struggle to find many club games moved. I know the Dublin final may have been but in general it would only have limited consequences and less than the Railway cup your looking to save would have with up to 100 players involved.
- Railway cup was marketed when int rules cancelled and only 10,000 turned up in Croke Park and most of them were free tickets.
- Not one player as far as I'm aware has suffered serious injury in the games.
- Not one player as far as I'm aware has suffered serious injury in the games.
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Aerlik...what you make of the new Freo kit and crest?? Bit mad to change it totally i think...
Keep the Freo jumper but we need to lose the current club song (despite it being my user name here). We can just go for the ACDC number given Bon Scott was a good Freo boy.
Can anyone tell me the name of the song in the TG4 ad for the aussie rules?? I should know it and its driving me mad...
Kajagoogoo - Too Shy
Quote from: Aerlik on October 11, 2010, 10:23:20 PM
Now lads can you do me a favour? If any of you know any of the Irish players, can you tell them to go easy on Duffield and Broughton of Australia? Both are key Fremantle players and as there is every likelihood Fremantle will be there or therebouts on the last Saturday of September next year, we need to keep the lads uninjured.
Goodonya.
Broughton is not selected. Perhaps you mean Garrick Ibbotson?
Quote from: Celt_Man on October 13, 2010, 10:24:49 AM
Can anyone tell me the name of the song in the TG4 ad for the aussie rules?? I should know it and its driving me mad...
Anyone please???
Culture Club » Karma Chameleon
Sorry Celt man was only taking the hand.
In all seriousness its Baltimora - Tarzan Boy
Squad Announced
Captain: Steven McDonnell Armagh
Vice Captain: Finian Hanley Galway
Colm Begley (Laois)
Bernard Brogan (Dublin)
Graham Canty (Cork)
Seán Cavanagh (Tyrone)
Martin Clarke (Down)
Stephen Cluxton (Dublin)
Brendan Donaghy (Armagh)
Leighton Glynn (Wicklow)
Daniel Goulding (Cork)
James Kavanagh (Kildare)
Paddy Keenan (Louth)
Tadhg Kennelly (Kerry)
Seán McDermott (Roscommon)
Ciarán McKeever (Armagh)
Kevin McKernan (Down)
Brendan Murphy (Carlow)
Michael Murphy (Donegal)
Kevin Reilly (Meath)
Michael Shields (Cork)
Tommy Walsh (Kerry)
Standby Players:
Emmet Bolton (Kildare)
Gary Brennan (Clare)
Gary Connaughton (Westmeath)
Benny Coulter (Down)
Eamonn Fennell (Dublin)
Johnny McCarthy (Limerick)
Niall McNamee (Offaly)
No room for Kieran Donaghy???
Good to see Kevin McKernan on it albeit surprisingly
Just one Tyrone man, must be a first...
Kieran Donaghy playing in the Kerry County final this weekend with a chance of becoming next year's Kerry Captain, he has his priorities right. Many of the other Kerry players did not make themselves available due to Tohill sticking the media knife into Paul Galvin. And lots of others have been involved in Kerry clubs games recently too, strange to have no current Kerry players but sin e.
Anyway I wish the Irish team well, will be good to see how much more Tommy Walsh has bulked up.
Quote from: Banana Man on October 14, 2010, 04:41:39 PM
No room for Kieran Donaghy???
Good to see Kevin McKernan on it albeit surprisingly
Just one Tyrone man, must be a first...
don't remember any squad without a derry man before - bias from the manager I suppose!
Quote from: Kerry Mike on October 14, 2010, 04:50:08 PM
Kieran Donaghy playing in the Kerry County final this weekend with a chance of becoming next year's Kerry Captain, he has his priorities right. Many of the other Kerry players did not make themselves available due to Tohill sticking the media knife into Paul Galvin. And lots of others have been involved in Kerry clubs games recently too, strange to have no current Kerry players but sin e.
Anyway I wish the Irish team well, will be good to see how much more Tommy Walsh has bulked up.
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Quote from: Rossie11 on October 14, 2010, 04:07:52 PM
Squad Announced
Captain: Steven McDonnell Armagh
Vice Captain: Finian Hanley Galway
Colm Begley (Laois)
Bernard Brogan (Dublin)
Graham Canty (Cork)
Seán Cavanagh (Tyrone)
Martin Clarke (Down)
Stephen Cluxton (Dublin)
Brendan Donaghy (Armagh)
Leighton Glynn (Wicklow)
Daniel Goulding (Cork)
James Kavanagh (Kildare)
Paddy Keenan (Louth)
Tadhg Kennelly (Kerry)
Seán McDermott (Roscommon)
Ciarán McKeever (Armagh)
Kevin McKernan (Down)
Brendan Murphy (Carlow)
Michael Murphy (Donegal)
Kevin Reilly (Meath)
Michael Shields (Cork)
Tommy Walsh (Kerry)
Standby Players:
Emmet Bolton (Kildare)
Gary Brennan (Clare)
Gary Connaughton (Westmeath)
Benny Coulter (Down)
Eamonn Fennell (Dublin)
Johnny McCarthy (Limerick)
Niall McNamee (Offaly)
Congrats to McDermott for making the 23 but I'm surprised Shine didn't at least make the stand by
Quote from: ross4life on October 14, 2010, 05:21:39 PM
Quote from: Rossie11 on October 14, 2010, 04:07:52 PM
Squad Announced
Captain: Steven McDonnell Armagh
Vice Captain: Finian Hanley Galway
Colm Begley (Laois)
Bernard Brogan (Dublin)
Graham Canty (Cork)
Seán Cavanagh (Tyrone)
Martin Clarke (Down)
Stephen Cluxton (Dublin)
Brendan Donaghy (Armagh)
Leighton Glynn (Wicklow)
Daniel Goulding (Cork)
James Kavanagh (Kildare)
Paddy Keenan (Louth)
Tadhg Kennelly (Kerry)
Seán McDermott (Roscommon)
Ciarán McKeever (Armagh)
Kevin McKernan (Down)
Brendan Murphy (Carlow)
Michael Murphy (Donegal)
Kevin Reilly (Meath)
Michael Shields (Cork)
Tommy Walsh (Kerry)
Standby Players:
Emmet Bolton (Kildare)
Gary Brennan (Clare)
Gary Connaughton (Westmeath)
Benny Coulter (Down)
Eamonn Fennell (Dublin)
Johnny McCarthy (Limerick)
Niall McNamee (Offaly)
Congrats to McDermott for making the 23 (only Connacht man in the squad) but I'm surprised Shine didn't at least make the stand by
Finian Hanley from galway made it and is vice captain,
Good spot Sligonian i should learn to use my glasses :P
Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but what convinced Coulter to return?
QuoteGAA: Down star finished with International Rules series
Down footballer Benny Coulter has said he will not play in the International Rules series again.
Tuesday, 07 November 2006
Tags: Local Sport International Rules Coulter
Coulter was speaking to the Irish News after Sunday`s fiasco which saw the compromise rules game descend into a violent brawl.
The Mayobridge clubman has now added his voice to the chorus of those calling for the series to be abandoned.
"I think they should call it off. I`ll not be back near it," said Coulter.
http://www.u.tv/Sport/GAA-Down-star-finished-with-International-Rules-series/2ab2e773-0be5-4883-9184-7898663944b0
Sure he quit down a few times in the recent past too.
Don't think he thinks much through
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 14, 2010, 05:59:22 PM
Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but what convinced Coulter to return?
QuoteGAA: Down star finished with International Rules series
Down footballer Benny Coulter has said he will not play in the International Rules series again.
Tuesday, 07 November 2006
Tags: Local Sport International Rules Coulter
Coulter was speaking to the Irish News after Sunday`s fiasco which saw the compromise rules game descend into a violent brawl.
The Mayobridge clubman has now added his voice to the chorus of those calling for the series to be abandoned.
"I think they should call it off. I`ll not be back near it," said Coulter.
http://www.u.tv/Sport/GAA-Down-star-finished-with-International-Rules-series/2ab2e773-0be5-4883-9184-7898663944b0
thats was days after the horrendous challenge on him.
he later retracted this sentiment based on how much he loved to play this game and represent his country.
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 14, 2010, 05:59:22 PM
Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but what convinced Coulter to return?
QuoteGAA: Down star finished with International Rules series
Down footballer Benny Coulter has said he will not play in the International Rules series again.
Tuesday, 07 November 2006
Tags: Local Sport International Rules Coulter
Coulter was speaking to the Irish News after Sunday`s fiasco which saw the compromise rules game descend into a violent brawl.
The Mayobridge clubman has now added his voice to the chorus of those calling for the series to be abandoned.
"I think they should call it off. I`ll not be back near it," said Coulter.
http://www.u.tv/Sport/GAA-Down-star-finished-with-International-Rules-series/2ab2e773-0be5-4883-9184-7898663944b0
Probably should have asked him before he played in the 2008 series? Just as well he did play too as he got two goals and a over to help Ireland win the series.
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 14, 2010, 06:07:51 PM
Sure he quit down a few times in the recent past too.
Don't think he thinks much through
Bit of a cheap shot.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA4U8zEMmLM&feature=related
Three minutes and 10 seconds in, shocking high hit on Coulter. Would make anyone think twice about playing it.
Quote from: Wee Shea on October 14, 2010, 06:37:37 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 14, 2010, 05:59:22 PM
Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but what convinced Coulter to return?
QuoteGAA: Down star finished with International Rules series
Down footballer Benny Coulter has said he will not play in the International Rules series again.
Tuesday, 07 November 2006
Tags: Local Sport International Rules Coulter
Coulter was speaking to the Irish News after Sunday`s fiasco which saw the compromise rules game descend into a violent brawl.
The Mayobridge clubman has now added his voice to the chorus of those calling for the series to be abandoned.
"I think they should call it off. I`ll not be back near it," said Coulter.
http://www.u.tv/Sport/GAA-Down-star-finished-with-International-Rules-series/2ab2e773-0be5-4883-9184-7898663944b0
Probably should have asked him before he played in the 2008 series? Just as well he did play too as he got two goals and a over to help Ireland win the series.
That's you assuming anyone cares whther any of them take part in this farce
Quote from: Kerry Mike on October 14, 2010, 04:50:08 PM
Kieran Donaghy playing in the Kerry County final this weekend with a chance of becoming next year's Kerry Captain, he has his priorities right. Many of the other Kerry players did not make themselves available due to Tohill sticking the media knife into Paul Galvin. And lots of others have been involved in Kerry clubs games recently too, strange to have no current Kerry players but sin e.
Anyway I wish the Irish team well, will be good to see how much more Tommy Walsh has bulked up.
Dont think much of the international rules series Mike and totally understand a player prioritise a county final etc ahead of it but bad form if the Kerry lads didnt make themselves available solely based on Tohill's comments. He called it like it was that day and is a much more intelligent and honest analyst than some of the others.
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 14, 2010, 06:56:57 PM
Quote from: Wee Shea on October 14, 2010, 06:37:37 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 14, 2010, 05:59:22 PM
Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but what convinced Coulter to return?
QuoteGAA: Down star finished with International Rules series
Down footballer Benny Coulter has said he will not play in the International Rules series again.
Tuesday, 07 November 2006
Tags: Local Sport International Rules Coulter
Coulter was speaking to the Irish News after Sunday`s fiasco which saw the compromise rules game descend into a violent brawl.
The Mayobridge clubman has now added his voice to the chorus of those calling for the series to be abandoned.
"I think they should call it off. I`ll not be back near it," said Coulter.
http://www.u.tv/Sport/GAA-Down-star-finished-with-International-Rules-series/2ab2e773-0be5-4883-9184-7898663944b0
Probably should have asked him before he played in the 2008 series? Just as well he did play too as he got two goals and a over to help Ireland win the series.
That's you assuming anyone cares whther any of them take part in this farce
Well there is 21 pages on it here already, people have been asking for ages about the squad etc. The stadiums will have thousands of people watching, even more will be watching live on tv.
Need I go on?
Quotebut bad form if the Kerry lads didnt make themselves available solely based on Tohill's comments. He called it like it was that day and is a much more intelligent and honest analyst than some of the others.
He did call it like it was and Galvin deserved some form of suspenision but the mass media hysteria after this game against Paul Galvin was unprecedented, there were plenty of other bad things in that game by both teams not picked up on by the media, the worst being Derek Kavanagh trottling the Gooch that got no coverage at all and no suspension and that rankles with alot of Kerry people and I am sure some Kerry players. Anyone remember Graham Canty's first act coming on the field, he made straight for Galvin and laid into him, these things aren't easily forgotten in Kerry v Cork games, and if Kerry players dont want to make themselves available for a mickey mouse competition and they take a stand fair play to them.
It will be interesting to see if Tohill will drop any players who get caught in off the ball stuff v the Aussies.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on October 14, 2010, 09:23:38 PMIt will be interesting to see if Tohill will drop any players who get caught in off the ball stuff v the Aussies.
not in any way relevant to the perceived slight on all things Kerry, but you're right, it would be interesting.
Any word why Pearce Hanley isn't involved? Just not selected?injured?not arsed?
Sitting here in Sydney havin a schooner looking @ d sports channel d Aussies are flat out training with d round ball,Matt malthouse just on saying he's going 4 a passing fast game,we shall see Matt we shall see,now have 2 go and explain again that the Irish team is totally amateur.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on October 14, 2010, 09:23:38 PM
Quotebut bad form if the Kerry lads didnt make themselves available solely based on Tohill's comments. He called it like it was that day and is a much more intelligent and honest analyst than some of the others.
He did call it like it was and Galvin deserved some form of suspenision but the mass media hysteria after this game against Paul Galvin was unprecedented, there were plenty of other bad things in that game by both teams not picked up on by the media, the worst being Derek Kavanagh trottling the Gooch that got no coverage at all and no suspension and that rankles with alot of Kerry people and I am sure some Kerry players. Anyone remember Graham Canty's first act coming on the field, he made straight for Galvin and laid into him, these things aren't easily forgotten in Kerry v Cork games, and if Kerry players dont want to make themselves available for a mickey mouse competition and they take a stand fair play to them.
It will be interesting to see if Tohill will drop any players who get caught in off the ball stuff v the Aussies.
You are spot on, that craic with Kavanagh and Canty when unpunished really. Bit of a joke how Galvins was blown up in comparison.
Watched some of that link on youtube and the conclusion is that Sean MArty Lockhart has to be the tightest bastid ever to play for Ireland, McGeeney a close second, lockhart bust one of the aussies noses ffs
Quote from: Banana Man on October 15, 2010, 09:22:37 AM
Watched some of that link on youtube and the conclusion is that Sean MArty Lockhart has to be the tightest bastid ever to play for Ireland, McGeeney a close second, lockhart bust one of the aussies noses ffs
Any chance of a link BM?
half way dpwn last page Joxer, Exiled gael posted it...
Actually a little surprised but pleased for big Sean making the squad, in fairness he possibly wouldnt have made it based on his intercounty performances this last while, Id have thought Joe and Justin in there, but maybe training for this has brought him back into form and he has raised his game - if that is the case and the appetite is back for the gaelic next year then this rubbish will have actually done some good.
Does anyone know if Jamie O'Reilly of Richmond (and Down) was considered for trials?
Quote from: western exile on October 15, 2010, 12:40:10 PM
Does anyone know if Jamie O'Reilly of Richmond (and Down) was considered for trials?
he certainly had a trial unfortunately it was in downpatrick crown court!innocent i may add
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 15, 2010, 08:43:17 AM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on October 14, 2010, 09:23:38 PM
Quotebut bad form if the Kerry lads didnt make themselves available solely based on Tohill's comments. He called it like it was that day and is a much more intelligent and honest analyst than some of the others.
He did call it like it was and Galvin deserved some form of suspenision but the mass media hysteria after this game against Paul Galvin was unprecedented, there were plenty of other bad things in that game by both teams not picked up on by the media, the worst being Derek Kavanagh trottling the Gooch that got no coverage at all and no suspension and that rankles with alot of Kerry people and I am sure some Kerry players. Anyone remember Graham Canty's first act coming on the field, he made straight for Galvin and laid into him, these things aren't easily forgotten in Kerry v Cork games, and if Kerry players dont want to make themselves available for a mickey mouse competition and they take a stand fair play to them.
It will be interesting to see if Tohill will drop any players who get caught in off the ball stuff v the Aussies.
You are spot on, that craic with Kavanagh and Canty when unpunished really. Bit of a joke how Galvins was blown up in comparison.
I never knew the media refereed a game or imposed disciplinary sanctions on players. I thought that was the respective responsibility of the match officials and the CCCC. Now I am led to believe that some of the dimwits that work in the media are also in charge of the international rules series and Kerry players, still nourishing their past grievances with the media, refuse to make themselves available for the Intl series.
It all makes perfect sense.
Quote from: Banana Man on October 15, 2010, 09:22:37 AM
Watched some of that link on youtube and the conclusion is that Sean MArty Lockhart has to be the tightest bastid ever to play for Ireland, McGeeney a close second, lockhart bust one of the aussies noses ffs
Do you want to know how?
Yes
Looks like a strong Irish panel on paper. Lot of strong physical players who shouldn't be bullied by the Aussies. Should be plenty pf running in the team to. Going to be an interesting couple of games. I see judging by the bookies odds that they give Ireland a real chance and obviously don't think they have no chance against the professionals.
Quote from: Celt_Man on October 13, 2010, 10:02:55 PM
Quote from: Celt_Man on October 13, 2010, 10:24:49 AM
Can anyone tell me the name of the song in the TG4 ad for the aussie rules?? I should know it and its driving me mad...
Anyone please???
Saw the ad there now for aussie rules! it was War Machine by Ac/Dc
Quote from: ross4life on October 16, 2010, 08:53:12 PM
Quote from: Celt_Man on October 13, 2010, 10:02:55 PM
Quote from: Celt_Man on October 13, 2010, 10:24:49 AM
Can anyone tell me the name of the song in the TG4 ad for the aussie rules?? I should know it and its driving me mad...
Anyone please???
Saw the ad there now for aussie rules! it was War Machine by Ac/Dc
Ahh good chap... cheers
Quote from: Kerry Mike on October 14, 2010, 04:50:08 PM
Kieran Donaghy playing in the Kerry County final this weekend with a chance of becoming next year's Kerry Captain, he has his priorities right. Many of the other Kerry players did not make themselves available due to Tohill sticking the media knife into Paul Galvin. And lots of others have been involved in Kerry clubs games recently too, strange to have no current Kerry players but sin e.
Anyway I wish the Irish team well, will be good to see how much more Tommy Walsh has bulked up.
Canty was injured for much of the year, Shields could be playing in thte county senior final
the day after the first test, they want to play for their country.
But for Kerry players club commitments is just an excuse, their county final is on today 6 days before the test and how many county players are playing? And its the same excuse they used to get out of playing in the charity match last year, which cost GOAL thousands of euros.
Just shows the contempt they have for the rest of the country. This Tohill business is just another excuse.
Its a disgrace a team of Kerrys ability dont want to help their country win.
Excellent piece in the Gaelic Life from Brolly on the Rules gfames in the 80's & 90's....If anyone has access to it maybe you would post it...a great yarn about McGilligan jumping with Stynes and smacking him on the back of the head every time they went for a ball in midfield. "It was like hitting a barn door Brolly"...he said...
how many players are playing for their clubs the next day? it looks like kevin mckernan of down will be playing if selected the day before burren play Coleraine in Ulster...edited my post there 5 sams,meant to say ulster. think the international rules game is on sat 30th of oct and ulster game is the naxt day
Burren played today in the county final...though the Coleraine game in the 1st round of Ulster could be on the next day...
I see Pat Spillane was giving off yesterday that the gams are being shown o TG4 - what difference does that make, if you want to watch it then you will watch it no matter the channl
The vast majority of people won't understand the commentary
Will the Big Dippa' be having to speak as Gaelige then too?
Quote from: thejuice on October 18, 2010, 01:23:41 PM
Will the Big Dippa' be having to speak as Gaelige then too?
He won't be over here this year - he made some choice remarks about a former aboriginal aussie rules player..
How can you be a former aboriginal?
Quote
The vast majority of people won't understand the commentary
People are always giving out about TG4. If you were at a game you wouldn't have a commentary, you'd just have to watch. But since commentary is mostly player names and a very restricted range of expressions the vast majority of people will understand the vast majority of the commentary. The analysis is a bit trickier, but the interviews with the Ozzies will probably be in their dialect of English.
Quote from: heffo on October 18, 2010, 02:47:01 PM
Quote from: thejuice on October 18, 2010, 01:23:41 PM
Will the Big Dippa' be having to speak as Gaelige then too?
He won't be over here this year - he made some choice remarks about a former aboriginal aussie rules player..
He made a comment about Gavin Wanganeen being "a good player for an abo" and it was made out to be this massive racist comment....quite funny cause they are actually friends and Dipper is actually massively involved inhelping the Aboriginal community with the Auskick programme.
International Rules : Cork Third Level Colleges Vs Australia
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/10/18/international-rules-cork-third-level-colleges-vs-australia/
Quote from: Hardy on October 18, 2010, 02:53:39 PM
How can you be a former aboriginal?
Not sure - but you can be a former aboriginal players
QuoteCanty was injured for much of the year, Shields could be playing in thte county senior final
the day after the first test, they want to play for their country.
But for Kerry players club commitments is just an excuse, their county final is on today 6 days before the test and how many county players are playing? And its the same excuse they used to get out of playing in the charity match last year, which cost GOAL thousands of euros.
Just shows the contempt they have for the rest of the country. This Tohill business is just another excuse.
Its a disgrace a team of Kerrys ability dont want to help their country win.
f**k me you should still be celebrating, god knows ye usually have f**k all to celebrate in football in Cork and yet the bitterness seeps through, As you say yourself Canty was injured most of the year, and yet he still gets an All Star, anything to do with the Cork CCCC ape Cooney having the deciding vote as I've heard from a few circles ;) now thats the disgrace, but if he wants to go play footie with the Aussie let him. Shields will be even a bigger langer if he misses the county final for Finbarrs against Nemo because he wants to play for Ireland the following day, this from the lad who was supposed to be homesick in Australia but more to the point was not able for it out there. Did himself and Cardigan get the teeth fixed yet, too much boxing last winter out in Rylane is to blame for that :D
FYI Gooch and Donaghy played in the senior final and Declan O'Sullivan and Bryan Sheehan played in the Junior final last Sunday. As for the rest of the Kerry players if they dont want to play so be it.
Quote from: heffo on October 18, 2010, 06:40:53 PM
Quote from: Hardy on October 18, 2010, 02:53:39 PM
How can you be a former aboriginal?
Not sure - but you can be a former aboriginal players
How can you be a former aboriginal players?
Quote from: Kerry Mike on October 18, 2010, 09:42:11 PM
QuoteCanty was injured for much of the year, Shields could be playing in thte county senior final
the day after the first test, they want to play for their country.
But for Kerry players club commitments is just an excuse, their county final is on today 6 days before the test and how many county players are playing? And its the same excuse they used to get out of playing in the charity match last year, which cost GOAL thousands of euros.
Just shows the contempt they have for the rest of the country. This Tohill business is just another excuse.
Its a disgrace a team of Kerrys ability dont want to help their country win.
f**k me you should still be celebrating, god knows ye usually have f**k all to celebrate in football in Cork and yet the bitterness seeps through, As you say yourself Canty was injured most of the year, and yet he still gets an All Star, anything to do with the Cork CCCC ape Cooney having the deciding vote as I've heard from a few circles ;) now thats the disgrace, but if he wants to go play footie with the Aussie let him. Shields will be even a bigger langer if he misses the county final for Finbarrs against Nemo because he wants to play for Ireland the following day, this from the lad who was supposed to be homesick in Australia but more to the point was not able for it out there. Did himself and Cardigan get the teeth fixed yet, too much boxing last winter out in Rylane is to blame for that :D
FYI Gooch and Donaghy played in the senior final and Declan O'Sullivan and Bryan Sheehan played in the Junior final last Sunday. As for the rest of the Kerry players if they dont want to play so be it.
In 1915 the great Pat "Aeroplane" O'Shea forsook an inter-county career when his country came calling. A pity that the current crop, whose names I forget, have no concept of such duty.
The Bomber Liston, who has more All-Ireland senior medals than any of the refuseniks, seems to be able to answer the call to arms.
Shame on the little men from Kerry.
SS don't ya know you shouldn't reply to any Kerry posts otherwise you just look like a bitter nordie. ::)
When we see a post from them we should just have a wee giggle to ourselves about how their looking for a bite and leave them to it.
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 19, 2010, 09:13:22 AM
SS don't ya know you shouldn't reply to any Kerry posts otherwise you just look like a bitter nordie. ::)
When we see a post from them we should just have a wee giggle to ourselves about how their looking for a bite and leave them to it.
The next post from me will be about how Tohill probably would prefer more Tyrone men anyway.
Sure wouldn't everyone.
Quote from: Hardy on October 18, 2010, 11:11:15 PM
How can you be a former aboriginal players?
Michael Jackson might have been able to shed some light on this. He used to be African American before finally expiring. His nose was from parts unknown.
Taken from hoganstand.com.
Beating Aussies would be a career highlight for McDonnell
19 October 2010
Steven McDonnell says captaining Ireland to victory over Australia in the International Rules series would rank alongside his sole All-Ireland success with Armagh in 2002.
"An All-Ireland is very special and it's hard to rank one achievement above another," the Killeavy man said.
"That's because everything you win as a footballer is special and something you look back upon when you retire. But, certainly, if we get to win the series it would be up there with the top awards or anything I've ever won."
McDonnell revealed that Ireland have been practicing their soccer skills in a bid to move the ball on quickly and not get caught up in the tackle, which is Australia's main strength.
"Soccer skills in this game are very important, especially for forwards," said the Killeavy man. "When you know you're going to get wrapped up in a tackle and the ball bounces in front of you that's the time to play it on.
"If you are tackled at that stage, and the ball is gone, you've got yourself a free. So we've been working on that and we'll also be using our natural skills to keep the ball in our possession and moving."
So now we're going to use soccer to beat them. ::)
Could this 'sport' be anymore of a joke?
To see a fella like Stevie equating this nonsense with winning an All-Ireland medal is embarrassing.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on October 18, 2010, 09:42:11 PM
QuoteCanty was injured for much of the year, Shields could be playing in thte county senior final
the day after the first test, they want to play for their country.
But for Kerry players club commitments is just an excuse, their county final is on today 6 days before the test and how many county players are playing? And its the same excuse they used to get out of playing in the charity match last year, which cost GOAL thousands of euros.
Just shows the contempt they have for the rest of the country. This Tohill business is just another excuse.
Its a disgrace a team of Kerrys ability dont want to help their country win.
f**k me you should still be celebrating, god knows ye usually have f**k all to celebrate in football in Cork and yet the bitterness seeps through, As you say yourself Canty was injured most of the year, and yet he still gets an All Star, anything to do with the Cork CCCC ape Cooney having the deciding vote as I've heard from a few circles ;) now thats the disgrace, but if he wants to go play footie with the Aussie let him. Shields will be even a bigger langer if he misses the county final for Finbarrs against Nemo because he wants to play for Ireland the following day, this from the lad who was supposed to be homesick in Australia but more to the point was not able for it out there. Did himself and Cardigan get the teeth fixed yet, too much boxing last winter out in Rylane is to blame for that :D
FYI Gooch and Donaghy played in the senior final and Declan O'Sullivan and Bryan Sheehan played in the Junior final last Sunday. As for the rest of the Kerry players if they dont want to play so be it.
You don't know what you're talking about.
I followed his progress while he was there and he was well able for it.
They were sorry to see him go.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 19, 2010, 10:27:09 AM
Taken from hoganstand.com.
Beating Aussies would be a career highlight for McDonnell
19 October 2010
Steven McDonnell says captaining Ireland to victory over Australia in the International Rules series would rank alongside his sole All-Ireland success with Armagh in 2002.
"An All-Ireland is very special and it's hard to rank one achievement above another," the Killeavy man said.
"That's because everything you win as a footballer is special and something you look back upon when you retire. But, certainly, if we get to win the series it would be up there with the top awards or anything I've ever won."
McDonnell revealed that Ireland have been practicing their soccer skills in a bid to move the ball on quickly and not get caught up in the tackle, which is Australia's main strength.
"Soccer skills in this game are very important, especially for forwards," said the Killeavy man. "When you know you're going to get wrapped up in a tackle and the ball bounces in front of you that's the time to play it on.
"If you are tackled at that stage, and the ball is gone, you've got yourself a free. So we've been working on that and we'll also be using our natural skills to keep the ball in our possession and moving."
So now we're going to use soccer to beat them. ::)
Could this 'sport' be anymore of a joke?
To see a fella like Stevie equating this nonsense with winning an All-Ireland medal is embarrassing.
What's embarrassing is begrudgers trying to take away from the lad when's he's representing his country at something he obviously enjoys doing.
I'd be more worried at the heads up he's just given the ozzies.
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 19, 2010, 10:48:49 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 19, 2010, 10:27:09 AM
Taken from hoganstand.com.
Beating Aussies would be a career highlight for McDonnell
19 October 2010
Steven McDonnell says captaining Ireland to victory over Australia in the International Rules series would rank alongside his sole All-Ireland success with Armagh in 2002.
"An All-Ireland is very special and it's hard to rank one achievement above another," the Killeavy man said.
"That's because everything you win as a footballer is special and something you look back upon when you retire. But, certainly, if we get to win the series it would be up there with the top awards or anything I've ever won."
McDonnell revealed that Ireland have been practicing their soccer skills in a bid to move the ball on quickly and not get caught up in the tackle, which is Australia's main strength.
"Soccer skills in this game are very important, especially for forwards," said the Killeavy man. "When you know you're going to get wrapped up in a tackle and the ball bounces in front of you that's the time to play it on.
"If you are tackled at that stage, and the ball is gone, you've got yourself a free. So we've been working on that and we'll also be using our natural skills to keep the ball in our possession and moving."
So now we're going to use soccer to beat them. ::)
Could this 'sport' be anymore of a joke?
To see a fella like Stevie equating this nonsense with winning an All-Ireland medal is embarrassing.
What's embarrassing is begrudgers trying to take away from the lad when's he's representing his country at something he obviously enjoys doing.
I'd be more worried at the heads up he's just given the ozzies.
Exactly.
Whilst I wouldn't be a huge fan of the compromise rules it is obviously a huge thrill for Stevie to captain his country and I really don't see how anybody on here should be criticising him for his comments.
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 19, 2010, 10:48:49 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 19, 2010, 10:27:09 AM
Taken from hoganstand.com.
Beating Aussies would be a career highlight for McDonnell
19 October 2010
Steven McDonnell says captaining Ireland to victory over Australia in the International Rules series would rank alongside his sole All-Ireland success with Armagh in 2002.
"An All-Ireland is very special and it's hard to rank one achievement above another," the Killeavy man said.
"That's because everything you win as a footballer is special and something you look back upon when you retire. But, certainly, if we get to win the series it would be up there with the top awards or anything I've ever won."
McDonnell revealed that Ireland have been practicing their soccer skills in a bid to move the ball on quickly and not get caught up in the tackle, which is Australia's main strength.
"Soccer skills in this game are very important, especially for forwards," said the Killeavy man. "When you know you're going to get wrapped up in a tackle and the ball bounces in front of you that's the time to play it on.
"If you are tackled at that stage, and the ball is gone, you've got yourself a free. So we've been working on that and we'll also be using our natural skills to keep the ball in our possession and moving."
So now we're going to use soccer to beat them. ::)
Could this 'sport' be anymore of a joke?
To see a fella like Stevie equating this nonsense with winning an All-Ireland medal is embarrassing.
What's embarrassing is begrudgers trying to take away from the lad when's he's representing his country at something he obviously enjoys doing.
I'd be more worried at the heads up he's just given the ozzies.
What heads up?
They can't tackle the Irish lads if the ball is on the ground and they haven't the skills to try the same tactic.
If I saw a fella running along with the ball at his feet during a gaelic football game I'd be praying for someone to open him up with a shoulder.
Quote from: Hardy on October 18, 2010, 11:11:15 PM
Quote from: heffo on October 18, 2010, 06:40:53 PM
Quote from: Hardy on October 18, 2010, 02:53:39 PM
How can you be a former aboriginal?
Not sure - but you can be a former aboriginal players
How can you be a former aboriginal players?
Having schizophrenia is an absolute prerequisite
He's told them that part of their tactics to avoid the tackle is to keep the ball on the ground which will win them a free if tackled. Now that the Ozzies know this it's not hard not take this into account during the game. So they'll be watching for this to prevent giving away frees.
Only a minor point mind you as I can't see it affecting the game.
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 19, 2010, 11:47:35 AM
He's told them that part of their tactics to avoid the tackle is to keep the ball on the ground which will win them a free if tackled. Now that the Ozzies know this it's not hard not take this into account during the game. So they'll be watching for this to prevent giving away frees.
Only a minor point mind you as I can't see it affecting the game.
It'll hardly be of much surprise to the Australians. 'Soccering' the ball has been a staple tactic of Irish teams for years.
It looks ridiculous.
Like they're afraid to pick it up.
Quote from: AFS on October 19, 2010, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 19, 2010, 11:47:35 AM
He's told them that part of their tactics to avoid the tackle is to keep the ball on the ground which will win them a free if tackled. Now that the Ozzies know this it's not hard not take this into account during the game. So they'll be watching for this to prevent giving away frees.
Only a minor point mind you as I can't see it affecting the game.
It'll hardly be of much surprise to the Australians. 'Soccering' the ball has been a staple tactic of Irish teams for years.
True. I wasn't really having a go in regards to him saying it more that I would have had more issue with him saying that than him saying this was was up there with winning an AI.
B agus B just sorted near Croker for next Sat, will be struggling to make the start of the match with playing up in the black north on Sat afternoon. Come onte fcuk Ireland, lets do this!!
Quote from: J OGorman on October 19, 2010, 01:07:00 PM
B agus B just sorted near Croker for next Sat, will be struggling to make the start of the match with playing up in the black north on Sat afternoon. Come onte fcuk Ireland, lets do this!!
Yeah, Go Team Ireland Go!
Yay!
Two-four-six-eight,
Hit him blind and hit him late.
K-I-C-K
Wide's a point and that's just gay.
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Quote from: Hardy on October 19, 2010, 02:19:00 PM
Yay!
Two-four-six-eight,
Hit him blind and hit him late.
K-I-C-K
Wide's a point and that's just gay.
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you're on a roll today Fiddler boy, were you on the sauce at lunchtime?
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 19, 2010, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on October 19, 2010, 01:07:00 PM
B agus B just sorted near Croker for next Sat, will be struggling to make the start of the match with playing up in the black north on Sat afternoon. Come onte fcuk Ireland, lets do this!!
Yeah, Go Team Ireland Go!
thats the spirit
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 18, 2010, 10:26:09 AM
The vast majority of people won't understand the commentary
Do Ger Canning & Marty Morrisey provide a profound clarity that I am somehow blind to?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 19, 2010, 02:39:17 PM
Quote from: Hardy on October 19, 2010, 02:19:00 PM
Yay!
Two-four-six-eight,
Hit him blind and hit him late.
K-I-C-K
Wide's a point and that's just gay.
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu206/Hardyarse/pop-pom1.jpg)
you're on a roll today Fiddler boy, were you on the sauce at lunchtime?
No - because you weren't about!
Quote from: Hardy on October 19, 2010, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 19, 2010, 02:39:17 PM
Quote from: Hardy on October 19, 2010, 02:19:00 PM
Yay!
Two-four-six-eight,
Hit him blind and hit him late.
K-I-C-K
Wide's a point and that's just gay.
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu206/Hardyarse/pop-pom1.jpg)
you're on a roll today Fiddler boy, were you on the sauce at lunchtime?
No - because you weren't about!
You don't need me to hold your hand, you're a big boy now!!!
Go team Ireland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the hole.
Bolton and McNamee called into International Rules squad
Kildare defender Emmet Bolton and Offaly forward Niall McNamee have been called into the Ireland International Rules squad ahead of the first test against Australia on Saturday night.
Ireland manager Anthony Tohill called up the duo following the withdrawal of Cork defender Michael Shields due to club commitments and Benny Coulter due to injury.
The Australian team will warm up for Saturday's test with a practise match against a Cork colleges selection in Páirc Uí Rinn on Wednesday evening.
Seán Óg ó hAilpín, who was informed earlier this week that he will not be a part of Cork hurling manager Denis Walsh's plans for next season, has been included in the colleges selection to take on the Australians.
First Aussie player sighting
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International Rules : Cork Third Level Colleges Vs Australia – Live Scores & Result (6pm Wednesday)
Cork Third Level Colleges Vs Australia – Wednesday, October 20th @ 6pm, Páirc Uí Rinn, Cork.
We will have live score updates this evening when UCC/CIT will play the Australian International Rules Team in an unofficial test at 6pm in Páirc Uí Rinn. The Cork team will contain the cream of young intercounty talent from both Colleges including many who won the GAA Football All-Ireland All Senior Championship recently.
The UCC/CIT team will be managed by Des Cullinane (Coach to 3 UCC Sigerson Cup winning teams, 2 Higher Education Leagues , 1 Cork County C'Ship & 1 Munster Club) and Keith Ricken (Coach to Cit Sigerson Cup winning team)
Admission free for all Juveniles. Adults will be asked to give a donation to local Cork GAA charities.
Among the GAA charities to benefit will be the Alan Kerins Fund which is being supported by a large number of the Cork Senior Hurling Panel.
If you need juvenile tickets Contact Des Cullinane at ccdelegate.cork@gaa.ie or Kevin O'Callaghan – Cork County Games Manager.
This game is a warm up for the Irish Daily Mail International Rules Series between Ireland and Australia which will take place in Limerick on Saturday October 23rd and in Croke Park on Saturday October 30th.Visit www.gaa.ie for all ticket information.
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/10/20/international-rules-cork-third-level-colleges-vs-australia-live-scores-result-6pm-wednesday/
Sean Og and Aidan Walsh to play tonight
Aussies 105 to 12 winners tonight.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 20, 2010, 08:46:27 PM
Aussies 105 to 12 winners tonight.
The referee was a balax.
Paddypower have a special for the international rules match on saturday. "A dog to appear on the pitch during play 25/1". Surely somebody going to the game has to take advantage of this. What a great chance to make a few pound.
QuoteQuote from: Aaron Boone on October 20, 2010, 08:46:27 PM
Aussies 105 to 12 winners tonight.
The referee was a balax.
Did you go to the match O'Neill? Who's the dangermen?
Quote from: Banana Man on October 21, 2010, 09:31:53 AM
QuoteQuote from: Aaron Boone on October 20, 2010, 08:46:27 PM
Aussies 105 to 12 winners tonight.
The referee was a balax.
Did you go to the match O'Neill? Who's the dangermen?
Swooooooosh! :D :D
Taking from The Indo this morning. Good to see The GAA is tackling burnout!
Thursday October 21 2010
BY 4.15 next Monday afternoon, Leighton Glynn will, in the space of 45 hours, have played three games for three different teams in three different codes at three different venues in three different counties -- none of which are his own.
The Wicklow man will have played for Ireland in the International Rules Test against Australia at the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick on Saturday night (7.0), for Rathnew against Skryne (Meath) in the Leinster club SFC in Navan on Sunday (3.0) and for Glenealy against St Mullins (Carlow) in the Leinster club IHC at Dr Cullen Park, Carlow (3.0) on Monday.
It's a schedule that makes a mockery of the GAA's stance on burn-out, which includes a black-out of the inter-county scene between the All-Ireland football final in September and early January and a strict ban on collective training in November and December.
Granted, Glynn's ridiculously heavy commitments are probably unique in GAA history, but it's still a fact of life that the official fixtures list left him with an international Test and two club games on three successive days.
Despite the demands they will place on mind and body, Glynn is looking forward to all three games and hopes to come through them safely so that he can begin the build-up for the second International Rules Test at Croke Park on Saturday week.
alive
"Hopefully, I'll be alive and well by Monday night. It's a busy schedule, but I'm delighted with the opportunity I have been given," he says.
Playing for Ireland against Australia is always a massive test of physical well-being, even if the interchange arrangement allows players to pace themselves throughout the four 18-minute quarters.
A Leinster club football game between the Wicklow and Meath champions will also be very demanding, while Glynn, one of Glenealy's main marksmen, will also be a central figure in Monday's hurling clash.
Glynn travelled to Adare last night to link up with the Irish team and begin two days of preparation for Saturday's game, which will end at around 9.0.
"I'll stay for the meal afterwards and then head home. I'd prefer to travel from Rathnew to Navan than from Limerick to Navan on Sunday morning. It's back home on Sunday evening and then off to Carlow on Monday," he says.
"It's a busy schedule, but I'm taking it in stages. I'm only thinking of the Ireland game now and will start looking ahead to the Rathnew game on my way home on Saturday night. Once that's over on Sunday, I'll switch on to the hurling game on Monday."
He found it difficult to juggle international squad sessions and club commitments with Rathnew and Glenealy over the last month but was facilitated by the various managers (Anthony Tohill, Ireland; Harry Murphy, Rathnew; Seamus Murphy, Glenealy) and was able to keep all sides happy.
Glynn was an outstanding success in the 2008 International Rules series in Australia, turning in a man-of-the-match performance in the first Test in Perth where he scored a total of 10 points, including an expertly taken goal. He thoroughly enjoyed the experience and, barring injury, was always certain to be selected for this year's series.
"It's very exciting being part of the International Rules squad," he says. "It's the only chance players from different counties get to train and play together, which is a huge bonus. The series went well for us two years ago. The games were played in a much better atmosphere than in previous years and obviously, that's the way we all want it to continue."
He has found it relatively easy to adapt to the mixed rules, but will put them behind him very quickly once Saturday's Test is over so that he can concentrate on Sunday's clash with Skryne.
Remarkably, he scored 2-2 in both the Wicklow senior football and hurling finals, against Baltinglass and Carnew respectively. Rathnew, who won the Leinster football title in 2001, lost to Ballyboden-St Enda's (Dublin) in last year's quarter-final, but have high hopes of making good progress this year.
"Travelling to Navan to play Skryne is a tough start, but we've been going well, so we're ready to have right go at the Leinster championship," says Glynn.
Wicklow's senior hurling champions compete in the Leinster intermediate championship, which, despite the absence of the super-powers from the strong counties, is still very competitive.
Former Wexford senior manager Seamus Murphy is in charge of Glenealy this year and has, according to Glynn, brought a real sense of freshness to the scene, which was evident in their march to county honours.
"Hopefully, we can now take it into the Leinster scene, but it's going to be tough against St Mullins, especially at Dr Cullen Park," Glynn remarks.
Glynn's busy schedule will be a boost to St Mullins, as it asking an awful lot of any player to line out in three important games on successive days. Quite whether he can reach his usual high standards after playing for Ireland and Rathnew remains to be seen, but he's determined to give it his best shot.
"If things go well for Ireland and Rathnew, it will make it easier for me on Monday," he says. "As I say, it's one game at a time so, for now, it's all about Ireland. It's important we do well on Saturday to put ourselves in a good position for the second game at Croke Park."
Quote from: Hardy on October 20, 2010, 11:36:37 AM
First Aussie player sighting
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haha, Warwick Cappa. He was some player in his day with the Sydney Swans. Funny bugga too
Hello all...just thought I'd have my few pence on the IRS.
I moved back from Oz 6 months ago(i was on a gap year(s) there) was rooming with a mad Western Bulldogs fan and a rugger bugger. I went to the last series down there with my bulldogs mate. He said that interest down there is lessening in the IRS because half of AFL is the physical knocks that go on. Some fans boo when there are no fights in a game!
He seemed to think that the reason the Aussies started fights left right and centre up here was not because they are thugs but because the skill of the Irish team was too great to take them on in a footy match. They see the GAA as lilly livered freckled scrawney red haired paddies who cant take the knocks. Often in a series the 1st test is clean and Ireland take a lead, but in the second test to prevent Ireland getting a flow the Aussies try to scare them off with a few knocks!
He told me the other week that Mick Malthouse was put in because the AFL feared the overseas impression the team was giving and so they wanted it toned down and cleaner. Problem is that the Aussies now cannot compete as Ireland will run rings round them with their on the ball skills. Aussies are losing interest because of this.
This series I see as Ireland winning by a few, because the Aussies cannot compete with fair play if ireland move the ball!
Quote from: Doublehop on October 21, 2010, 09:42:38 PM
Hello all...just thought I'd have my few pence on the IRS.
I moved back from Oz 6 months ago(i was on a gap year(s) there) was rooming with a mad Western Bulldogs fan and a rugger bugger. I went to the last series down there with my bulldogs mate. He said that interest down there is lessening in the IRS because half of AFL is the physical knocks that go on. Some fans boo when there are no fights in a game!
He seemed to think that the reason the Aussies started fights left right and centre up here was not because they are thugs but because the skill of the Irish team was too great to take them on in a footy match. They see the GAA as lilly livered freckled scrawney red haired paddies who cant take the knocks. Often in a series the 1st test is clean and Ireland take a lead, but in the second test to prevent Ireland getting a flow the Aussies try to scare them off with a few knocks!
He told me the other week that Mick Malthouse was put in because the AFL feared the overseas impression the team was giving and so they wanted it toned down and cleaner. Problem is that the Aussies now cannot compete as Ireland will run rings round them with their on the ball skills. Aussies are losing interest because of this.
This series I see as Ireland winning by a few, because the Aussies cannot compete with fair play if ireland move the ball!
He's full of sh*t.
Very few fights in aussie rules because they'll get fined and suspended.
The aussies used the IR as an opportunity to throw their weight around and act the hard man.
Interesting piece from Liam Hayes and his thoughts on it
http://www.meathchronicle.ie/sport/gaa/articles/2010/10/20/4000913-hayes-not-a-supporter-of-aussie-games/ (http://www.meathchronicle.ie/sport/gaa/articles/2010/10/20/4000913-hayes-not-a-supporter-of-aussie-games/)
Ive attended a few of the Popcorn rules games and to be honest its cak if theres no boxing. The boxing however can make it compulsive viewing if its fierce enough, so I would say come on lads if you are going to do this crap, get stuck in fight for your country and let the ozzies have it. Seriously though I think the Ozzie team is picked to lose this series so that there can be some level of support for the real priize - an all expenses return trip to Oz in a year or 2. Expect even the Kerry men to want to be a part of that junket. Its Popcorn sport - dont ya just love it. Other proposed Popcorn rules games might be:
USA baseball v Ireland rounders the most obvius of all the match ups. Come on Ireland!
Canada Ice hockey versus the hurlers - how long would it take the hurlers to get used to the skates
India Kabbadi versus Irelands scor outfit. one shouting kabaddi, one shouts "o raibh said e mha abhaile."
I've always sais it would be a much more interesting experiment if we just played each other's respective game turn about.
Yes there would be hidings handed out.
But it would also bring real rules, real learnings, new ideas and a couple of laughs.
The hybrid game doesn't catch the essence of either game. It's plain boring if you ask me.
Quote from: thewobbler on October 22, 2010, 10:20:38 AM
I've always sais it would be a much more interesting experiment if we just played each other's respective game turn about.
Yes there would be hidings handed out.
But it would also bring real rules, real learnings, new ideas and a couple of laughs.
The hybrid game doesn't catch the essence of either game. It's plain boring if you ask me.
ah c'mon, the hybrid game has plenty of drawbacks but having each side play the others respective game would be a complete farce.
our lads playing aussie rules would be absolutely dreadful viewing. I think we all know what would happen.
Who cares what would happen whiskeysteve? At least at the end of it we'd be able to understand that the games are different but some players are just athletic enough to look good at either.
The hybrid game is an exercise in nothingness. If you win its because the other team didn't adapt as well. It's sheer nonsense.
Quote from: thewobbler on October 22, 2010, 10:51:00 AM
Who cares what would happen whiskeysteve? At least at the end of it we'd be able to understand that the games are different but some players are just athletic enough to look good at either.
The hybrid game is an exercise in nothingness. If you win its because the other team didn't adapt as well. It's sheer nonsense.
Or alternatively that your team adapted better.
I don't see what the problem most people have with the game. It's obvious the players enjoy it. And from the attendance there's obvioulsy a fair few supporters that enjoy the game. It's not taking the place of anything.
I'd agree with WS that the idea of just playing them in there own sports is pointless. Whether people like it or not there's alot of skills that are matched to both football and Ozzie rules. And the games are close enough to create a combined game that alot of people enjoy.
Fair enough it's not football, but it's not as if it's replacing football. It's just an additional thing that allows the top players in Ireland to compete against another country in a sport that's not a million miles away from their chosen sport.
Quote from: Doublehop on October 21, 2010, 09:42:38 PM
Hello all...just thought I'd have my few pence on the IRS.
I moved back from Oz 6 months ago(i was on a gap year(s) there) was rooming with a mad Western Bulldogs fan and a rugger bugger. I went to the last series down there with my bulldogs mate. He said that interest down there is lessening in the IRS because half of AFL is the physical knocks that go on. Some fans boo when there are no fights in a game!
He seemed to think that the reason the Aussies started fights left right and centre up here was not because they are thugs but because the skill of the Irish team was too great to take them on in a footy match. They see the GAA as lilly livered freckled scrawney red haired paddies who cant take the knocks. Often in a series the 1st test is clean and Ireland take a lead, but in the second test to prevent Ireland getting a flow the Aussies try to scare them off with a few knocks!
He told me the other week that Mick Malthouse was put in because the AFL feared the overseas impression the team was giving and so they wanted it toned down and cleaner. Problem is that the Aussies now cannot compete as Ireland will run rings round them with their on the ball skills. Aussies are losing interest because of this.
This series I see as Ireland winning by a few, because the Aussies cannot compete with fair play if ireland move the ball!
What a load of crap.
Either your mad Western Bulldog mate was taking the pi55 with you or he (or she) was reinforcing the view of all other AFL fans that Western Bulldogs supporters are generally ill bred, uneducated and unrepresentative swill comparable only to Collingwood fans. Western Bulldog supporters generally come from the western suburbs of Melbourne which would be described as working class except for the fact that few residents do in fact work (unless you include drug dealing, pimping or car jacking as gainful employment).
I have been to 300 plus AFL games and have never thought to boo because a fight was yet to break out. That would only be possible at a Western Bulldog or Collingwood game for reasons noted above.
Most AFL fans admire the Irish lads who, despite being amateur in some regards, give a fine account of themselves in the series and win more often than not.
Former Donegal star Brendan Devenney has fond memories of playing in the International Rules series.
Devenney wore the Irish jersey in 1998 and 2001, finishing top-scorer in the latter year when Ireland triumphed 'Down Under'.
"It's a completely different ball game when you come up against the Aussies with their physicality and different style of play," he said in The Irish Daily Star.
"But you get a real sense that you're with the best footballers in the country. Most of the Aussies were good lads. There'd be a few mouths - but you always get that. But, generally, they were 100 per cent sound.
"The only problem in '98 was that it was hard to get them to swap jerseys. Only the GAA could've come up with the stupid shirts that we had to wear.
"They were just green t-shirts and were ripped to pieces when any trouble broke out in the games. The Aussies had these gleaming, snazzy shirts and we had these things you'd use to clean the floor - so they were in no rush to swap."
Quote from: Aerlik on October 21, 2010, 12:24:16 PM
Quote from: Hardy on October 20, 2010, 11:36:37 AM
First Aussie player sighting
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu206/Hardyarse/Aussiemullet.png)
haha, Warwick Cappa. He was some player in his day with the Sydney Swans. Funny bugga too
One of my mates played at the Brisbane Bears (now Brisbane Lions) with Warwick Capper. After a flogging one day the coach of the Bears said "some of you blokes need an IQ test". Capper jumps up and says "you can go and get f@&ed. There is nothing wrong with my eyes".
You're taking the mickey, surely? This is a real, actual AFL player? I just went looking for a picture of a poncy looking bloke with a girly hairdo and shorty-short shorts to take a poke at the Aussie footballer image. I can't believe I hit the jackpot.
Quote from: Hardy on October 22, 2010, 12:05:57 PM
You're taking the mickey, surely? This is a real, actual AFL player? I just went looking for a picture of a poncy looking bloke with a girly hairdo and shorty-short shorts to take a poke at the Aussie footballer image. I can't believe I hit the jackpot.
Is it not Pat Sharpe from Fun House ???
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on October 22, 2010, 12:23:21 PM
Quote from: Hardy on October 22, 2010, 12:05:57 PM
You're taking the mickey, surely? This is a real, actual AFL player? I just went looking for a picture of a poncy looking bloke with a girly hairdo and shorty-short shorts to take a poke at the Aussie footballer image. I can't believe I hit the jackpot.
Is it not Pat Sharpe from Fun House ???
What a show!!!
I'd love to see what the 2 twins of the funhouse look like now!
Quote from: Banana Man on October 22, 2010, 01:00:23 PM
I'd love to see what the 2 twins of the funhouse look like now!
(http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/we-love-telly/css/Pat%20Sharp%20Xbox%20Live%2002.jpg)
sweet mother of god! they are better looking now, you would be digging me out of the one on the left :o
Arra FFS!
Frig me an A1 poster on my screen
Quote from: Hardy on October 20, 2010, 11:36:37 AM
First Aussie player sighting
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu206/Hardyarse/Aussiemullet.png)
Male camel toe.
On BBC Newsline now.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/104395/default.aspx
I am going down to Limerick with some spare tickets as some friends can't make it. PM me If you would like them. Good seats Mackey stand.
Hoping for an Irish victory and hoping Seanie Mac does us all proud.
Hope no one gets hurt.
what time does it throw in this evening?
Quote from: Overthebar! on October 23, 2010, 03:54:55 PM
what time does it throw in this evening?
7 bells I believe
not long now, hopefully it will be worth watching.
for exiles here is a link, hopefully they will work
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=92233&part=sports (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=92233&part=sports)
Quote from: Rossfan on October 23, 2010, 02:40:32 PM
Hoping for an Irish victory and hoping Seanie Mac does us all proud.
(http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/22/thumbs_up_rip.jpg)
Are you at this game or going to the Dublin one?
Why is this game not on rte?
Quote from: joebloggs on October 23, 2010, 06:20:49 PM
Why is this game not on rte?
TG4 sponsor the Irish team.
5 mins before throw-in and it's 0-0.
What's the starting line up?
Looks ominous. Their captain has a beard.
Ire 1 (Reilly) Aus 0
Celebrating a wide is so strange
Good wide there ;)
Did i see fists flying after clarke's tackle at the start?
Ire 1 Aus 3
So a wide is one point, a point is one point and a goal is 3 points? Ya? No wait, where did the Aussies get 3 points from?
Never mind.
Ire 4 (Brogan)
Aus 3
can i watch this on the internet in england tg4 website not letting me
Ire 5 (Cavanagh)
Aus 3
Quote from: conormac on October 23, 2010, 07:08:45 PM
can i watch this on the internet in england tg4 website not letting me
try the link on the previous page
Ire 5
Aus 6
Cluxton
McKeever Hanley Donaghy
McDermott Canty K. Reilly
Kennelly
Begly
Gylnn McDonnell Cavanagh
Brogan Walshe Clarke
Quote from: Celt_Man on October 23, 2010, 07:13:05 PM
Cluxton
McKeever Hanley Donaghy
McDermott Canty K. Reilly
Kennelly
Begly
Gylnn McDonnell Cavanagh
Brogan Walshe Clarke
Cheers man
Ire 5
Aus 9
bore
bring back the biff
Is this three periods, quarters or what?
Muted atmosphere.
Ire 5
Aus 12
Ire 6 (McDonnell)
Aus 12
Ire 9 (McDonnell)
Aus 12
Horn.
18 min quarters. Hopefully it gets better
Feck this. Complete dung.
I'm off to meet the dentist.
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2010, 07:19:51 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 23, 2010, 07:14:55 PM
Is this three periods, quarters or what?
Quarters.
18:06?
Cheers, is pretty shite. Was hoping for a booting match.
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2010, 07:16:24 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 23, 2010, 07:15:09 PM
Muted atmosphere.
No wonder, it's complete horseshit!
Xfactor is the biggest pile of monkey crap & thats not muted
It is rubbish.
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2010, 07:16:24 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 23, 2010, 07:15:09 PM
Muted atmosphere.
No wonder, it's complete horseshit!
This game needs a dose of vitamin B.
(http://brushshiels.com/cover.jpg)
Those horn's are almost as bad as the Vuvuzela
is this on the radio?
Ire 10 (Clarke)
Aus 12
Ire 11 (Tag)
Aus 12
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 07:24:35 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2010, 07:16:24 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 23, 2010, 07:15:09 PM
Muted atmosphere.
No wonder, it's complete horseshit!
This game needs a dose of vitamin B.
(http://brushshiels.com/cover.jpg)
Oh the cringe-fest that was that man in Croke Park a few years ago.
Ire 12 (Cavanagh)
Aus 12
Ire 15 (Goulding)
Aus 12
irish players afraid to take the ball in their hands is annoying the feck out of me. either flicking it on or playing it on the ground most of the time
Ire 15
Aus 15
Ire 16 (Cavanagh)
Aus 15
1.....2....3!!! indeed
Any other live streams for this? Them wans earlier arent working for me
ZZZZZZZZ
Who saying that shit 1 2 3
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 07:37:11 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 23, 2010, 07:29:58 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 07:24:35 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2010, 07:16:24 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 23, 2010, 07:15:09 PM
Muted atmosphere.
No wonder, it's complete horseshit!
This game needs a dose of vitamin B.
Oh the cringe-fest that was that man in Croke Park a few years ago.
How dare you.
He had the place hopping.
Hopping mad!
Ire 16
Aus 18
very poor game, 35 minutes and not 1 hit yet
Ire 16
Aus 21
Horn.
Beat me to it!
God this is awful sh*te.
Looks like the Australians have been told not to kill any irish players hence a real bore of a game!
anyone not embarassed that their skills are better then ours
Quote from: gerry on October 23, 2010, 07:39:20 PM
Who saying that shit 1 2 3
The referee is counting handpasses. Is there a rule you have to kick after a certain number of handpasses? Its been pretty terrible stuff so far hopefully things will get better in the 2nd half.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 07:45:05 PM
anyone not embarassed that their skills are better then ours
Are they not full-time professionals?
Quote from: JimStynes on October 23, 2010, 07:38:21 PM
Any other live streams for this? Them wans earlier arent working for me
In the pub so can not check
I really don't care how big an honour the players think this fiasco is.
It's terrible to watch.
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 23, 2010, 07:46:03 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 07:45:05 PM
anyone not embarassed that their skills are better then ours
Are they not full-time professionals?
How many weeks in their professional life do they use a round ball. yeah they shoud be fitter and stronger
This is pathetic from ireland.
Gerry - thanks for the links, but none of them worked. Had to fork out 20$ to setanta (the c***ts) for this dirge. Its awful so far. The shocking ness of the passes in what seems to be more space than a football game is terrible. Cant imagine what it will be like when we get over run in the 4th quarter.
McKeever is a strange choice for this game -- but Leighton Glynn is a man possessed. Best of the Irish along with Kenelly at this stage.
What kind of ball is it? How does it compare with the standard GAA ball? It looks very light the way its hopping about.
Goulding missed out that time he took the mark. Two Irish players were steaming through on goal.
Irish players doing a lot of soccering.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 07:47:54 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 23, 2010, 07:46:03 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 07:45:05 PM
anyone not embarassed that their skills are better then ours
Are they not full-time professionals?
How many weeks in their professional life do they use a round ball. yeah they shoud be fitter and stronger
This is pathetic from ireland.
How many points would Bernard Brogan have got this year if defenders were allowed tackle him IR style?
The tackle changes everything.
Players aren't even picking the ball up FFS!
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 07:52:43 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 07:47:54 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 23, 2010, 07:46:03 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 07:45:05 PM
anyone not embarassed that their skills are better then ours
Are they not full-time professionals?
How many weeks in their professional life do they use a round ball. yeah they shoud be fitter and stronger
This is pathetic from ireland.
How many points would Bernard Brogan have got this year if defenders were allowed tackle him IR style?
The tackle changes everything.
Players aren't even picking the ball up FFS!
Bernard isn't suited to this game Jinxy. The folly was in his selection. As good as he is he is not suited to a physical game. Thats the bottom line. Bernard never has, never was and never will be a ball winner. This game relies on ball winners. It isn't Gaelic Football.
I was amazed he made the cut.
Why are tg4 playing scottish music as the program background?
From Rob roy if I'm not mistaken?
Quote from: tyroneboi on October 23, 2010, 07:45:30 PM
Quote from: gerry on October 23, 2010, 07:39:20 PM
Who saying that shit 1 2 3
The referee is counting handpasses. Is there a rule you have to kick after a certain number of handpasses? Its been pretty terrible stuff so far hopefully things will get better in the 2nd half.
yeah it was one of the rule changes. Only allowed three hand passes in a row, the irony is that it was took in to force the aussies to kick the ball as they were running the irish into the ground with a handpassing game. Now they are kicking it better than us
Last of the mohicans sez yer man
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 07:55:44 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 07:52:43 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 07:47:54 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 23, 2010, 07:46:03 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 07:45:05 PM
anyone not embarassed that their skills are better then ours
Are they not full-time professionals?
How many weeks in their professional life do they use a round ball. yeah they shoud be fitter and stronger
This is pathetic from ireland.
How many points would Bernard Brogan have got this year if defenders were allowed tackle him IR style?
The tackle changes everything.
Players aren't even picking the ball up FFS!
Bernard isn't suited to this game Jinxy. The folly was in his selection. As good as he is he is not suited to a physical game. Thats the bottom line. Bernard never has, never was and never will be a ball winner. This game relies on ball winners. It isn't Gaelic Football.
I was amazed he made the cut.
Be that as it may, I wouldn't use IR as a benchmark for a gaelic footballers skill levels.
Remember that ball Stevie McDonnell got in acres of space in the first quarter and blazed wide?
In gaelic football he would have taken on his man and cut inside.
Can't do that in this game.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 07:58:39 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 07:55:44 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 07:52:43 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 07:47:54 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 23, 2010, 07:46:03 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 07:45:05 PM
anyone not embarassed that their skills are better then ours
Are they not full-time professionals?
How many weeks in their professional life do they use a round ball. yeah they shoud be fitter and stronger
This is pathetic from ireland.
How many points would Bernard Brogan have got this year if defenders were allowed tackle him IR style?
The tackle changes everything.
Players aren't even picking the ball up FFS!
Bernard isn't suited to this game Jinxy. The folly was in his selection. As good as he is he is not suited to a physical game. Thats the bottom line. Bernard never has, never was and never will be a ball winner. This game relies on ball winners. It isn't Gaelic Football.
I was amazed he made the cut.
Be that as it may, I wouldn't use IR as a benchmark for a gaelic footballers skill levels.
Remember that ball Stevie McDonnell got in acres of space in the first quarter and blazed wide?
In gaelic football he would have taken on his man and cut inside.
Can't do that in this game.
Disagree a man with his skill should have scored. I hate this game as well but I'm embarassed watching players who kick a round ball 2 weeks of the year kicking the ball better then us.
Quote from: Puckoon on October 23, 2010, 07:48:49 PM
Gerry - thanks for the links, but none of them worked. Had to fork out 20$ to setanta (the c***ts) for this dirge. Its awful so far. The shocking ness of the passes in what seems to be more space than a football game is terrible. Cant imagine what it will be like when we get over run in the 4th quarter.
McKeever is a strange choice for this game -- but Leighton Glynn is a man possessed. Best of the Irish along with Kenelly at this stage.
Sorry puck but if it helps the pints are great in drumquin
Quote from: Puckoon on October 23, 2010, 07:48:49 PM
Gerry - thanks for the links, but none of them worked. Had to fork out 20$ to setanta (the c***ts) for this dirge. Its awful so far. The shocking ness of the passes in what seems to be more space than a football game is terrible. Cant imagine what it will be like when we get over run in the 4th quarter.
McKeever is a strange choice for this game -- but Leighton Glynn is a man possessed. Best of the Irish along with Kenelly at this stage.
what makes you say that? strong as an ox, hard as nails and was by far one of the better players in the last series. Has not started to great here, but very few have
wish this wasn't on tg4 - i don't know why fouls are being blown half the time.
I know I'm stating the obvious, but god this is shite to watch.
Ire 16
Aus 22
Quote from: armagho9 on October 23, 2010, 08:02:14 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on October 23, 2010, 07:48:49 PM
Gerry - thanks for the links, but none of them worked. Had to fork out 20$ to setanta (the c***ts) for this dirge. Its awful so far. The shocking ness of the passes in what seems to be more space than a football game is terrible. Cant imagine what it will be like when we get over run in the 4th quarter.
McKeever is a strange choice for this game -- but Leighton Glynn is a man possessed. Best of the Irish along with Kenelly at this stage.
what makes you say that? strong as an ox, hard as nails and was by far one of the better players in the last series. Has not started to great here, but very few have
I think hes a bit sluggish for this kind of game -- but I realise the series is early.
Ire 19 (Walsh)
Aus 22
Ire 19
Aus 25
Ire 19
Aus 28
Ire 19
Aus 31
The Irish need to go for goals now
Ire 19
Aus 32
Quote from: ross4life on October 23, 2010, 08:14:04 PM
The Irish need to go for goals now
Sorta difficult in your own half.
Quote from: ross4life on October 23, 2010, 08:14:04 PM
The Irish need to go for goals now
Ros they need Lazurus to make a comeback
how many balls have we kicked over the sideline
Jesus a very poor 3rd quarter. Not much on offer from any irish player.
Ire 22 (Glynn)
Aus 32
The Aussies are walking out of their half with the ball because we've pulled men back.
Then we can't clear our lines because our half is too congested.
Wise up Tohill, this isn't the Ulster championship! :D
Horn again.
Think it's Brogan's tight shorts.
Aussies mark up. Ireland don't.
Can't see too many more tickets for Croke Park sold on the back of this.
Has Tohill ever managed a team before?
Who was the aussie who scored the 2 massive overs from around the 50?
Great accuracy from the Aussies. We used to laugh at their efforts. This time it's the Irish kicking balls straight into the sideline crowd.
That noise summed it up rightly!
any streams lads?
Ire 22
Aus 33
Quote from: JimStynes on October 23, 2010, 08:21:51 PM
any streams lads?
You're not missing anything.
Trust me.
Quote from: ross4life on October 23, 2010, 08:18:47 PM
Has Tohill ever managed a team before?
he is not a happy lad tonight
Well that aussie lad said the irish will be really pumped for the final push! edge of the seat stuff guys :P
Quote from: gerry on October 23, 2010, 08:23:25 PM
Quote from: ross4life on October 23, 2010, 08:18:47 PM
Has Tohill ever managed a team before?
he is not a happy lad tonight
And he's normally such a ray of sunshine.
Ire 22
Aus 36
Ire 22
Aus 37
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 08:23:01 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 23, 2010, 08:21:51 PM
any streams lads?
You're not missing anything.
Trust me.
I'm coming home for the weekend and going to the second test :-[
Ire 25 (Cavanagh)
Aus 37
Ire 25
Aus 40
Ireland yella as feck.
Ire 25
Aus 43
Aussie lad with the beard MOTM
Ire 26 (Cavanagh)
Aus 43
Ire 29 (McDonnell)
Aus 43
Afraid to catch the ball.
Afraid to pick the ball up.
What in Gods name is the point of playing this?
Ire 29
Aus 44
Ire 29
Aus 47
Marty Clarke my hole.
Ire 35 (Brogan)
Aus 47
Jesus about time someone done something
Ire 38
Aus 47
Ire 39 (McDonnell)
Aus 47
Ire 40 (Walsh)
Aus 47
Big horn.
Those 11 points at the end keeps it alive.
Quote from: ONeill on October 23, 2010, 08:41:22 PM
Those 11 points at the end keeps it alive.
Those 11 points are gonna cost me another 20$ next week.
In GAA terms:
Australia 0-14
Ireland 1-8
Good comeback considering we were outplayed for long periods, i think Mr Tohill will be happy it was only 7pts
For gawds sake catch the f##kin thing, i know you can get caught in possession but we've no chance next week if we palm 3 out of 4 balls down. Somebody grow a pair and take the game on.
It took them long enough to wake up.
Who top-scored for Ireland?
What a load of shite.
They should forget all the useless coaching advice they've been given and just go out and have a go next week.
may as well have played in the blooming aviva with all that soccer shoooooooite. tohill, are you trapattoni in disguise?
No pitch invasion next week i guess in croker
the last 10 mins were entertaining, most of the rest of the game was awful stuff to watch - since the teams have played more of this game they've realised that to play it successfully you play a slower game. Ireland need to mix it up next week and start to run at them. Kicking was awful for ireland tonight - presume that aint a standard O'Neills.
I miss the dog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwucRJBkWv0&feature=player_embedded#!
Just realised another reason why I hate this game.
It gives hurling nazis an opportunity to put the boot into gaelic football and run the players down.
Anyone know what the analysis was after? Did they give tohill and the boys a booting ?
Quote from: Bogball XV on October 23, 2010, 08:50:49 PM
the last 10 mins were entertaining, most of the rest of the game was awful stuff to watch - since the teams have played more of this game they've realised that to play it successfully you play a slower game. Ireland need to mix it up next week and start to run at them. Kicking was awful for ireland tonight - presume that aint a standard O'Neills.
Jarlath was saying after the match that they need to stop taking the convential Aussie Rules Mark and just run on occassionally when they make a catch. Probably true enough. Magnificent goal from Brogan to get Ireland back into it.
Quote from: ONeill on October 23, 2010, 08:51:16 PM
I miss the dog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwucRJBkWv0&feature=player_embedded#!
That's f**king class! pop it into the classic youtube thread aswell :D
Quote from: ross4life on October 23, 2010, 08:42:54 PM
Good comeback considering we were outplayed for long periods, i think Mr Tohill will be happy it was only 7pts
the aussies will be much better next week Ros. We have little chance of winning the series . They'll waste us in Croke park with their fitness levels.
With good reason to slate gaelic Football Jinxy.
Tonight underlined how poor the basic skills are in Gaelic Football.
A poor night for Gaelic Football. Many junior club players must be thinking they could do as well as that
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 09:04:35 PM
Quote from: ross4life on October 23, 2010, 08:42:54 PM
Good comeback considering we were outplayed for long periods, i think Mr Tohill will be happy it was only 7pts
the aussies will be much better next week Ros. We have little chance of winning the series . They'll waste us in Croke park with their fitness levels.
With good reason to slate gaelic Football Jinxy.
Tonight underlined how poor the basic skills are in Gaelic Football.
A poor night for Gaelic Football. Many junior club players must be thinking they could do as well as that
What basic skills are you talking about?
Given that we've just had a championship full of high fielding, long range points, accurate foot-passing etc.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 09:09:18 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 09:04:35 PM
Quote from: ross4life on October 23, 2010, 08:42:54 PM
Good comeback considering we were outplayed for long periods, i think Mr Tohill will be happy it was only 7pts
the aussies will be much better next week Ros. We have little chance of winning the series . They'll waste us in Croke park with their fitness levels.
With good reason to slate gaelic Football Jinxy.
Tonight underlined how poor the basic skills are in Gaelic Football.
A poor night for Gaelic Football. Many junior club players must be thinking they could do as well as that
What basic skills are you talking about?
Given that we've just had a championship full of high fielding, long range points, accurate foot-passing etc.
No we didn't Jinxy. We had a team that won the all-ireland with no outstanding forward. people mistake tight games for mediocrity.
Many of the games were very average skill wise.
Outplayed skill wise by a team using a round ball for 2 weeks. You'd expect them to be fitter, stronger etc. But not better at kicking points. It doesn't get any more embarrassing then that.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 09:04:35 PM
Quote from: ross4life on October 23, 2010, 08:42:54 PM
Good comeback considering we were outplayed for long periods, i think Mr Tohill will be happy it was only 7pts
the aussies will be much better next week Ros. We have little chance of winning the series . They'll waste us in Croke park with their fitness levels.
Maybe but i can recall other years we got hammered in the first test only to win the second!
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 09:09:18 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 09:04:35 PM
Quote from: ross4life on October 23, 2010, 08:42:54 PM
Good comeback considering we were outplayed for long periods, i think Mr Tohill will be happy it was only 7pts
the aussies will be much better next week Ros. We have little chance of winning the series . They'll waste us in Croke park with their fitness levels.
With good reason to slate gaelic Football Jinxy.
Tonight underlined how poor the basic skills are in Gaelic Football.
A poor night for Gaelic Football. Many junior club players must be thinking they could do as well as that
What basic skills are you talking about?
Given that we've just had a championship full of high fielding, long range points, accurate foot-passing etc.
And we just witnessed a game devoid of any of the above by a team representing the country of Ireland- authorities very glad of the late come back by Irish which makes selling tickets for next week a bit easier
Quote from: Rocky Mc Guigan on October 23, 2010, 09:21:16 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 09:09:18 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 09:04:35 PM
Quote from: ross4life on October 23, 2010, 08:42:54 PM
Good comeback considering we were outplayed for long periods, i think Mr Tohill will be happy it was only 7pts
the aussies will be much better next week Ros. We have little chance of winning the series . They'll waste us in Croke park with their fitness levels.
With good reason to slate gaelic Football Jinxy.
Tonight underlined how poor the basic skills are in Gaelic Football.
A poor night for Gaelic Football. Many junior club players must be thinking they could do as well as that
What basic skills are you talking about?
Given that we've just had a championship full of high fielding, long range points, accurate foot-passing etc.
And we just witnessed a game devoid of any of the above by a team representing the country of Ireland- authorities very glad of the late come back by Irish which makes selling tickets for next week a bit easier
Yeah but they're not representing us in gaelic football.
The skills were just not executed at a high enough level to compete with the aussies tonight...
we seemed to be over coached and didn't play very freely or openly........
Quote from: mattockranger on October 23, 2010, 09:22:58 PM
The skills were just not executed at a high enough level to compete with the aussies tonight...
we seemed to be over coached and didn't play very freely or openly........
I would agree with this.
Too much emphasis on avoiding the tackle and fannying around with the ball on the ground.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 09:22:31 PM
Quote from: Rocky Mc Guigan on October 23, 2010, 09:21:16 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 09:09:18 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 09:04:35 PM
Quote from: ross4life on October 23, 2010, 08:42:54 PM
Good comeback considering we were outplayed for long periods, i think Mr Tohill will be happy it was only 7pts
the aussies will be much better next week Ros. We have little chance of winning the series . They'll waste us in Croke park with their fitness levels.
With good reason to slate gaelic Football Jinxy.
Tonight underlined how poor the basic skills are in Gaelic Football.
A poor night for Gaelic Football. Many junior club players must be thinking they could do as well as that
What basic skills are you talking about?
Given that we've just had a championship full of high fielding, long range points, accurate foot-passing etc.
And we just witnessed a game devoid of any of the above by a team representing the country of Ireland- authorities very glad of the late come back by Irish which makes selling tickets for next week a bit easier
Yeah but they're not representing us in gaelic football.
Dead right-they were doing some impersonation of a soccer player for a lot of the game
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 09:13:35 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 09:09:18 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 09:04:35 PM
Quote from: ross4life on October 23, 2010, 08:42:54 PM
Good comeback considering we were outplayed for long periods, i think Mr Tohill will be happy it was only 7pts
the aussies will be much better next week Ros. We have little chance of winning the series . They'll waste us in Croke park with their fitness levels.
With good reason to slate gaelic Football Jinxy.
Tonight underlined how poor the basic skills are in Gaelic Football.
A poor night for Gaelic Football. Many junior club players must be thinking they could do as well as that
What basic skills are you talking about?
Given that we've just had a championship full of high fielding, long range points, accurate foot-passing etc.
No we didn't Jinxy. We had a team that won the all-ireland with no outstanding forward. people mistake tight games for mediocrity.
Many of the games were very average skill wise.
Outplayed skill wise by a team using a round ball for 2 weeks. You'd expect them to be fitter, stronger etc. But not better at kicking points. It doesn't get any more embarrassing then that.
Who would you say is the most skilful gaelic footballer in Ireland?
I've a fair idea who you'll pick but I just want to be sure.
Most skillful i'd say.......gooch!?
I wonder how many GAA members actually attended the match. It seemd to me that it was 'rent a crowd' as it was mostly children and their teachers/mums, waving free flags and sporting free Tg 4 headbands.If the money spent on promoting this farce was spent on promoting County finals, club championship games bu issuing free tickets and reduced admission charges, we might have much bigger crowds attending grass roots level and we would be really promoting the game. ::)
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 09:33:44 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 09:13:35 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 09:09:18 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 09:04:35 PM
Quote from: ross4life on October 23, 2010, 08:42:54 PM
Good comeback considering we were outplayed for long periods, i think Mr Tohill will be happy it was only 7pts
the aussies will be much better next week Ros. We have little chance of winning the series . They'll waste us in Croke park with their fitness levels.
With good reason to slate gaelic Football Jinxy.
Tonight underlined how poor the basic skills are in Gaelic Football.
A poor night for Gaelic Football. Many junior club players must be thinking they could do as well as that
What basic skills are you talking about?
Given that we've just had a championship full of high fielding, long range points, accurate foot-passing etc.
No we didn't Jinxy. We had a team that won the all-ireland with no outstanding forward. people mistake tight games for mediocrity.
Many of the games were very average skill wise.
Outplayed skill wise by a team using a round ball for 2 weeks. You'd expect them to be fitter, stronger etc. But not better at kicking points. It doesn't get any more embarrassing then that.
Who would you say is the most skilful gaelic footballer in Ireland?
I've a fair idea who you'll pick but I just want to be sure.
Gooch.
Tactically that was a disaster tonight. The whole idea is to work the ball to midfield and 15 yard passes to han for a free shot.
the amount of times we couldnt even kick a 10 yard pass without it hitting the ground was unreal.
Is Gooch any good at International Rules?
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 09:45:51 PM
Is Gooch any good at International Rules?
I dont think he's ever really played it. That was as tame a match ever tonight so i cant see the irish players complaining that the reason for the poor execution of the basics was the fear of being lamped.
I think he played a couple of tests home and abroad.......got a little scared and opted out ever since
I'm sure if he put his mind to it he'd be more than good
The Aussies were always going to beat us in these games when they decided to concentrate on playing the game and not the man.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 09:49:04 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 09:45:51 PM
Is Gooch any good at International Rules?
I dont think he's ever really played it. That was as tame a match ever tonight so i cant see the irish players complaining that the reason for the poor execution of the basics was the fear of being lamped.
Would you deny he has more skill in his little finger with a round ball than that entire Australian team combined?
And he was anonymous last time he played in this.
It's nothing to do with skill levels.
When was the last time you saw players using soccer as a tactic en masse in a game of gaelic football?
Quote from: samwin08 on October 23, 2010, 09:40:40 PM
I wonder how many GAA members actually attended the match. It seemd to me that it was 'rent a crowd' as it was mostly children and their teachers/mums, waving free flags and sporting free Tg 4 headbands.If the money spent on promoting this farce was spent on promoting County finals, club championship games bu issuing free tickets and reduced admission charges, we might have much bigger crowds attending grass roots level and we would be really promoting the game. ::)
here we go again........
I'm not sure if you heard, but we did try and promote the inter-provincials a few years ago, the razzmatazz and under lights treatment in croker, we got about 10,000, mostly free tickets if I remember rightly.
Do county finals and club championship games really need promoting within their own counties? 7/8000 would be about average for a county final from what I hear, and that's pretty impressive.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 23, 2010, 09:52:34 PM
The Aussies were always going to beat us in these games when they decided to concentrate on playing the game and not the man.
the touring team normally wins iirc, we won last time in a relatively dirt free series.
Biggest mistake tonight IMO was lads being too greedy, 10 "behinds" was ridiculous - every one of them is 2 points wasted rather than 1 gained, and 6 or 7 were because of lads taking pot shots from miles out instead of looking for the man inside.
Decent comeback at the end, when we finally started passing to each other in the forwards, which at least keeps it alive for next week.
I think we'll claw the 7 back (Cavanaugh and McDonnell has 6 behinds between them, they'll defo improve next week), but expect the Aussies to regain the lead before the end.
Cavanagh & McDonnell seemed to have the attitude that if they ballooned it in the general direction of the goals they'd at least get a point.
A waste of possession and field position.
Took a good look round me tonight, il not be back! No passion, no heart, no desire!
I find that hard to believe.
This is up there with winning an All-Ireland for some of these players. :D
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 09:53:49 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 09:49:04 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 09:45:51 PM
Is Gooch any good at International Rules?
I dont think he's ever really played it. That was as tame a match ever tonight so i cant see the irish players complaining that the reason for the poor execution of the basics was the fear of being lamped.
Would you deny he has more skill in his little finger with a round ball than that entire Australian team combined?
And he was anonymous last time he played in this.
It's nothing to do with skill levels.
When was the last time you saw players using soccer as a tactic en masse in a game of gaelic football?
Jinxy how many balls were kicked over the sideline under no pressure. That has nothing to do with the game. I can guarantee you I can kick pass the ball better then some of ours tonight. Its the basics. Even with free shots at goal we couldnt score points. N o excuse for it
Indiana, why are you using a glorified exhibition game with hybrid rules as a barometer of their skill levels?
I saw more balls kicked over the sideline tonight than I did in the entire football championship.
Have they suddenly forgotten how to kick a ball?
Or have their heads been filled with so much tactical mumbo-jumbo and coaching jargon that it has completely overridden their natural instincts?
"Whatever you do, don't get tackled! Keep the ball on the ground! Don't try and catch it!"
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2010, 10:16:56 PM
What odds? Do people actually care if Ireland win this? Do yis get worked up about somebody playing shite in this?
It's only a knockabout.
I couldn't give a toss if we lost by a hundred points tonight.
If it means this thing dies a death then that's great.
But it annoys me when people use this abortion of a game to deride our players skill levels.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 10:19:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2010, 10:16:56 PM
What odds? Do people actually care if Ireland win this? Do yis get worked up about somebody playing shite in this?
It's only a knockabout.
I couldn't give a toss if we lost by a hundred points tonight.
If it means this thing dies a death then that's great.
But it annoys me when people use this abortion of a game to deride our players skill levels.
I dont have to. They were derided in front of a worldwide audience by the players. I hate the game as well but I've already got 5 texts from my Irish freinds in Oz telling me the slating they are getting because the aussies can beat us skill wise after 2 weeks training.
You don't seem to get what I'm saying to you.
Can I ask why those who hate this abortion / abomination (insert negative word)of a game bother their holes to watch it? I don't like Dressage, so wouldn't waste my time watching
Set up nicely for next week
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 10:31:52 PM
You don't seem to get what I'm saying to you.
I do. I dont agree currently skill wise Gaelic Football is great. And that was evidenced by Cork who are greater on athletic ability then skill.
Watched 10 minutes. Sounds like it didn't get any better. Thank God for club football at this time of year. This seems to be aimed at those who don't follow the club stuff and just watch intercounty, especially summer. It is pathetic.
Quote from: J OGorman on October 23, 2010, 10:35:43 PM
Can I ask why those who hate this abortion / abomination (insert negative word)of a game bother their holes to watch it? I don't like Dressage, so wouldn't waste my time watching
Set up nicely for next week
What's wrong with dressage?
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 10:30:13 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 10:19:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2010, 10:16:56 PM
What odds? Do people actually care if Ireland win this? Do yis get worked up about somebody playing shite in this?
It's only a knockabout.
I couldn't give a toss if we lost by a hundred points tonight.
If it means this thing dies a death then that's great.
But it annoys me when people use this abortion of a game to deride our players skill levels.
I dont have to. They were derided in front of a worldwide audience by the players. I hate the game as well but I've already got 5 texts from my Irish freinds in Oz telling me the slating they are getting because the aussies can beat us skill wise after 2 weeks training.
All Ready? The match was on at 4am there in Australia. They are not showing it until 10am deferred coverage. you'll be getting some texts then!!!!
Finishing strongly just goes to show how fit and well conditioned inter county footballers are, the commitment and sacrifice is incredible.
Quote from: J OGorman on October 23, 2010, 10:35:43 PM
Can I ask why those who hate this abortion / abomination (insert negative word)of a game bother their holes to watch it? I don't like Dressage, so wouldn't waste my time watching
Set up nicely for next week
Load of Bollocks. Jinxy is absolutely right in his terminology. If its was anything other than an abortion of a game, the fukcin refs at least should know the rules. The amount of ad lib football and frees awarded and the way they were taken (man 5 yards in front of free taker, steps ignored, steps not ignored, tackled in possession.....or maybe not?? whos knows? who could fukcin know??) partisan reffing et al et al. We talk about the interpretation of our own game by referees.. this game in a word, shite!! >:(
That said, Aussies head and shoulders above Ireland in this particular meeting. Doesn' look like big Anto had any credible game plan at all.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on October 23, 2010, 10:41:52 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 10:30:13 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 10:19:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2010, 10:16:56 PM
What odds? Do people actually care if Ireland win this? Do yis get worked up about somebody playing shite in this?
It's only a knockabout.
I couldn't give a toss if we lost by a hundred points tonight.
If it means this thing dies a death then that's great.
But it annoys me when people use this abortion of a game to deride our players skill levels.
I dont have to. They were derided in front of a worldwide audience by the players. I hate the game as well but I've already got 5 texts from my Irish freinds in Oz telling me the slating they are getting because the aussies can beat us skill wise after 2 weeks training.
All Ready? The match was on at 4am there in Australia. They are not showing it until 10am deferred coverage. you'll be getting some texts then!!!!
Setanta-i if you were willing to pay
Quote from: jodyb on October 23, 2010, 10:44:46 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on October 23, 2010, 10:35:43 PM
Can I ask why those who hate this abortion / abomination (insert negative word)of a game bother their holes to watch it? I don't like Dressage, so wouldn't waste my time watching
Set up nicely for next week
Load of Bollocks. Jinxy is absolutely right in his terminology. If its was anything other than an abortion of a game, the fukcin refs at least should know the rules. The amount of ad lib football and frees awarded and the way they were taken (man 5 yards in front of free taker, steps ignored, steps not ignored, tackled in possession.....or maybe not?? whos knows? who could fukcin know??) partisan reffing et al et al. We talk about the interpretation of our own game by referees.. this game in a word, shite!! >:(
That said, Aussies head and shoulders above Ireland in this particular meeting. Doesn' look like big Anto had any credible game plan at all.
What in my post was a load of bollicks? Can't understand why folk would watch something they hate so much unless to winge about it..I can take it you will be watching the 2nd test then
Quote from: J OGorman on October 23, 2010, 10:59:10 PM
Quote from: jodyb on October 23, 2010, 10:44:46 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on October 23, 2010, 10:35:43 PM
Can I ask why those who hate this abortion / abomination (insert negative word)of a game bother their holes to watch it? I don't like Dressage, so wouldn't waste my time watching
Set up nicely for next week
Load of Bollocks. Jinxy is absolutely right in his terminology. If its was anything other than an abortion of a game, the fukcin refs at least should know the rules. The amount of ad lib football and frees awarded and the way they were taken (man 5 yards in front of free taker, steps ignored, steps not ignored, tackled in possession.....or maybe not?? whos knows? who could fukcin know??) partisan reffing et al et al. We talk about the interpretation of our own game by referees.. this game in a word, shite!! >:(
That said, Aussies head and shoulders above Ireland in this particular meeting. Doesn' look like big Anto had any credible game plan at all.
What in my post was a load of bollicks? Can't understand why folk would watch something they hate so much unless to winge about it..I can take it you will be watching the 2nd test then
I gave up on it fairly soon but you kind of watch hopeing it will redeem itself or be exciting or quality. Is like buying the Irish News every day, always a let down.
Quote from: J OGorman on October 23, 2010, 10:59:10 PM
Quote from: jodyb on October 23, 2010, 10:44:46 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on October 23, 2010, 10:35:43 PM
Can I ask why those who hate this abortion / abomination (insert negative word)of a game bother their holes to watch it? I don't like Dressage, so wouldn't waste my time watching
Set up nicely for next week
Load of Bollocks. Jinxy is absolutely right in his terminology. If its was anything other than an abortion of a game, the fukcin refs at least should know the rules. The amount of ad lib football and frees awarded and the way they were taken (man 5 yards in front of free taker, steps ignored, steps not ignored, tackled in possession.....or maybe not?? whos knows? who could fukcin know??) partisan reffing et al et al. We talk about the interpretation of our own game by referees.. this game in a word, shite!! >:(
That said, Aussies head and shoulders above Ireland in this particular meeting. Doesn' look like big Anto had any credible game plan at all.
What in my post was a load of bollicks? Can't understand why folk would watch something they hate so much unless to winge about it..I can take it you will be watching the 2nd test then
Gotta admit, its something of a disfunction in my make up, call it a car crash tendency or whatever term can be used to classify it. I'll watch it, but every glaring inadequacy around the 'rules' and their interpretation has always been an incredible source of frustration for me. Maybe its that fukcd up sense of fair play that I possess, but (for example) watchin Ciaran mc Donald getting used as a punch bag in 04 and eventually gettin sin binned by that aussie clown of a ref for finally fightin back....... what can I say >:(
The Aussies seemed to have a better handle on the tackling than the Irish lads
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 23, 2010, 11:21:03 PM
The Aussies seemed to have a better handle on the tackling than the Irish lads
Hard to think of any discipline that the Irish were equal to.
We're marginally better at soccer. :P
Quote from: ONeill on October 23, 2010, 11:33:03 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 23, 2010, 11:21:03 PM
The Aussies seemed to have a better handle on the tackling than the Irish lads
Hard to think of any discipline that the Irish were equal to.
Fair enough but that kind of rugby tackle hardly gives the player in possession any chance to off load whatsoever and stifled everything the lads tried when they had the ball. Brogan's goal was really well taken
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2010, 11:45:42 PM
The tackle is a big thing in that it is almost impossible to run at and go past a defender or even sell a dummy to find room to shoot.
Ireland naturally are focussed on the ball* while the Aussies naturally go straight for the man.
*Their own balls, which dropped off anytime an Aussie came near them.
kick it to the chest and its no problem. We train kids to kick direct without it bouncing so we shouldnt expect any less from our elite players.
I blame these hoodlums - http://www.ulsterancestry.com/ua-free_Convicts-and-Vagabonds.html
Just finished watching it, thought Ireland could have played a lot better, clever by Tohill to play good men that can take a score should they win a mark but we failed to score or make use of it. Fitness will always come into it but i think our main players failed to come into it. Bar the Brogan goal we didn't look threatening!!!
Still plenty to play for and did anyone think that its been seriously sanitised from previous games?
Were the players warned not to throw any punches as it was certainly a far cry from the games a few years ago where there was more boxing than football?
I don't really know what purpose the game serves but as a spectacle this evening, it was pretty tame
Basic skills my arse, I would love to see some of you boy's try hit an accurate 20 yard pass to chest when you know there is a huge professionall athlete about to wrap himself around you and pin you to the ground.
The tackle in the game is a brilliant skill, it's a pity only one team can do it ;D
I was disappointed with our support play. Instead of fannying about with it, the man on the ball should have drawn in the tackle and he should have had a teammate coming off his shoulder to take it off him and bring it forward. Few of our so called bigger names were very quiet - Cavanagh, Kennelly, Clarke and I don't think Murphy got on it at all bar the free which he drilled wide after being told to switch to his left by the management.
People criticising the soccer play. It makes sense to try play it like that if you man is up your arse and you are isolated. If you bend over and pick it up he will wrap you up straightaway and it is a free against. It's not Gaelic Football they were playing tonight, get over the ancient resentment of soccer please.
After tonight, I imagine they will struggle to fill Croker - or even half fill it. I still enjoyed the occasion.
Well if that was the case we should have concentrated on football and won the match by at least 6/7 points.
Further proof that this is pointless meaningless game with no future. I am sure there was some enjoyment for those in attendance but as a tv spectator sport it was putrid. The reality is, without the fighting this has nothing to offer.
Quote from: J OGorman on October 23, 2010, 10:35:43 PM
Can I ask why those who hate this abortion / abomination (insert negative word)of a game bother their holes to watch it? I don't like Dressage, so wouldn't waste my time watching
Set up nicely for next week
The GAA are not wasting time and resources on organising dressage.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 10:47:37 PM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on October 23, 2010, 10:41:52 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2010, 10:30:13 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 23, 2010, 10:19:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2010, 10:16:56 PM
What odds? Do people actually care if Ireland win this? Do yis get worked up about somebody playing shite in this?
It's only a knockabout.
I couldn't give a toss if we lost by a hundred points tonight.
If it means this thing dies a death then that's great.
But it annoys me when people use this abortion of a game to deride our players skill levels.
I dont have to. They were derided in front of a worldwide audience by the players. I hate the game as well but I've already got 5 texts from my Irish freinds in Oz telling me the slating they are getting because the aussies can beat us skill wise after 2 weeks training.
All Ready? The match was on at 4am there in Australia. They are not showing it until 10am deferred coverage. you'll be getting some texts then!!!!
Setanta-i if you were willing to pay
Incorrect - the only option of watching this game in Oz was deferred coverage on Seven2, Sentanta online were not even showing it.
Agree with Indiana that the skill of Irish players was absolutely shocking. A total inability to kick the ball accuratly whether under a modicum of pressure or not was evident in lots of Irish players and is the same in the championship - For the likes of Jinxy who say all these skills were shown in the championship I'd disagree, most teams concentrate on moving the ball by hand to avoid turnovers as you find very very few Gaelic players on a team who can kick 30/40 yards accurately and even fewer off both feet.
i have never seen irish men as scared to handle a ball in my life. if they put a hand near it they are waiting to be hit with a tackle and seem scared of it. i would rather see ireland lose playing football than see them win playing soccer. f**king shite stuff from people we thought were men. and i actually like this series. i think it is great to see Gaelic players representing their country but if they are not going to play our game then what is the point
Terrible spectacle and i hope the next game is even worse, then perhaps we will an end to this nonsense
Quote from: Pangurban on October 24, 2010, 05:43:43 AM
Terrible spectacle and i hope the next game is even worse, then perhaps we will an end to this nonsense
Well I'd certainly put more weight behind the players viewpoints who love playing it than yours!!
It must be a great honour to play for your country.
This was brutal stuff last night.
But it's all part of the masterplan.
Maybe next week's will be better fare.
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2010, 09:54:47 AM
It must be a great honour to play for your country.
This was brutal stuff last night.
But it's all part of the masterplan.
Maybe next week's will be better fare.
Must be frustrating for the players though that most of the country couldn't care less. It is a rent-a-crowd with hundreds of tickets going to scools and GAA clubs. Hardly the stuff of a competitive international.
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Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2010, 09:54:47 AM
It must be a great honour to play for your country.
This was brutal stuff last night.
But it's all part of the masterplan.
Maybe next week's will be better fare.
Must be frustrating for the players though that most of the country couldn't care less. It is a rent-a-crowd with hundreds of tickets going to scools and GAA clubs. Hardly the stuff of a competitive international.
hundreds out of how many thousands? And tickets going to schools and gaa clubs - the shame of it!!
Whatever about the irish team trying to play soccer, i'm amazed that they're so poor at it.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on October 24, 2010, 07:46:30 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on October 24, 2010, 05:43:43 AM
Terrible spectacle and i hope the next game is even worse, then perhaps we will an end to this nonsense
Well I'd certainly put more weight behind the players viewpoints who love playing it than yours!!
Of course the fecking players love it. What player wouldn't. But despite the current trend of the intercounty player being the centre of the universe and the GAA authorities wanting to become more like Mr feckin Blatter, as a fully paid up participating member of the GAA I object to this shite being peddled in my name. An yes I will be trying to propose a motion at the club agm to end it.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2010, 12:35:33 AM
Just finished watching it, thought Ireland could have played a lot better, clever by Tohill to play good men that can take a score should they win a mark but we failed to score or make use of it.
Winning a few marks inside the "kicking zone" (<30m from goal) looked to be more the issue than the kicking. Either the players were not functioning or the plan did not work.
Even if the game had the possibility to be watchable/playable and we could compete, it would take much more practice and proper tactical coaching to make it happen for us.
I thought Canty was anything but suitable for the game, looked to be as slow as a carthorse.
Any such motion will ultimately fail now that the GPA are in house.
Honestly, would your time not be better spent complaining about something more worthwhile or perhaps not complaining at all.
It's not doing anyone any harm.
Last nights game was poor fare, the fact two recent young players of the year winners cannot put the ball over the bar from relatively easy positions is rather embarrassing
utter shite. this should be scrapped.
Did anyone tell the irish players that if you bring the ball into contact you have to get rid of it? No back up player and the australians knew to look for a free man and give it to that person.
Have the irish players learned anthing from the last few years?
Just watched the entire match and as I feared and predicted, it was tepid and insipid stuff. It's now so sanitised it's like one of those angry dogs made docile with an injection from the vet. It was like watching an extended pre-match warmup for an hour.
There was absolutely nothing to recommend it for 60 minutes, until finally Ireland shook themselves and applied a bit of pressure. There was a bit of pace to it then at least. But in general, Ireland's 'skills' were abysmal and despite Aussie claims that we enjoy a huge advantage with the round ball, in many aspects they were better with it than we were. Embarassing number of behinds.
I'm not so exercised about it as to come on here and start frothing about it being an abortion or a mongrel or an abomination, I think it's a largely harmless piece of fluff.
But those that hate it can sleep easy I think, the clock is ticking on the series because what violence didn't kill off a few years ago, apathy and disinterest surely will now. If two teams aren't going at it hammer and tongs because one is afraid of hurting the other, then it's hardly viable. Or watchable even.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 24, 2010, 12:35:31 PM
Just watched the entire match and as I feared and predicted, it was tepid and insipid stuff. It's now so sanitised it's like one of those angry dogs made docile with an injection from the vet. It was like watching an extended pre-match warmup for an hour.
There was absolutely nothing to recommend it for 60 minutes, until finally Ireland shook themselves and applied a bit of pressure. There was a bit of pace to it then at least. But in general, Ireland's 'skills' were abysmal and despite Aussie claims that we enjoy a huge advantage with the round ball, in many aspects they were better with it than we were. Embarassing number of behinds.
I'm not so exercised about it as to come on here and start frothing about it being an abortion or a mongrel or an abomination, I think it's a largely harmless piece of fluff.
But those that hate it can sleep easy I think, the clock is ticking on the series because what violence didn't kill off a few years ago, apathy and disinterest surely will now. If two teams aren't going at it hammer and tongs because one is afraid of hurting the other, then it's hardly viable. Or watchable even.
You cant introduce huge physicality levels with professional athletes. Because our lads cant cope with it.
This is still amateurs v professionals in raw athletic terms leaving aside ball skills.
There cant be an increase in physicality because our lads will be minced. Aussie Rules players are probably the best athletes in the world in terms of fitness and power.
If thats whats required for people's interest then it should be scrapped. Once and for all.
Its not a very attractive game to watch and I cant say i enjoy watching it. But maybe thats because the fare is so poor in so many of these games.
what poor fare last night just a jolly to oz for the suits keeps it going, tohill out of his depth kerry players gaa type badly missed
the last of the Mohican's? WTF! watched it last night, watched the highlights, watching it now again, wtf :o, WTF ::). This is the poorest panel of players yet to represent the gaa! whats the story with canty? wins the mark then carries the ball further back up the field than where it was kicked from, tadgh kennelly can't kick the ball, kevin reilly ::) MARTY CLARKE!?? i understood these guys have trained, tackles?, marks?, tactics? all a waste of time. big antonys plan of out playing the Aussies by playing soccer is a total embarrassment why didn't he call up soccer players? as already said here it would be better to get stuffed playing Gaelic than to resort to soccer. Irelands best player is a goalkeeper? Brendan Murphy :-[ :-[ murphy from donegal :-[ the crowd just went into rapturous applause kennelly just caught the ball on his chest, unmarked! brutal stuff! far too many players from counties knocked out of the championship months ago they're simply not up to match speed. looks like we just dont have the players the aussies are happy to hold their positions and win thier own ball and tackles whomever comes into that area our lads are tripping over each other. Sean og de paor just summed it up there was a loud farting noise at the end of his interview ??? well at least the kids had a laugh ;)
Quote from: INDIANA on October 24, 2010, 01:02:49 PM
You cant introduce huge physicality levels with professional athletes. Because our lads cant cope with it.
This is still amateurs v professionals in raw athletic terms leaving aside ball skills.
There cant be an increase in physicality because our lads will be minced. Aussie Rules players are probably the best athletes in the world in terms of fitness and power.
This is effectively my point as well. A combination of the Aussie's increased professionalism since the eighties and - let's be honest here - a sad, parallel decrease in the hardiness of our own game - just means this is not a contest any more. We're relying on the Aussies to go easy on us just so it doesn't degenerate into a total hiding, either fight-wise or scorewise. It's just bland to watch now because they're holding back and even at that they're giving us the runaround. It'll die of its own accord soon enough I think, once the crowds fall off they'll pack it up for good.
have to agree cavan our lads are soft as shite. as soon as a team start showing any physical side to their game they're labled "physical" meejah jargon for "dirty". armagh post 2002 were a classic example i remember some of the kerry lads saying "when armagh hit you, you stay hit" the hacks picked up on this and every time the armagh team took to the field it was "their a big physical side" on tg4 you could clearly make out "physical" in the Irish commentry. i never thought armagh were dirty they weren't even that big but this label definitely cost them, decisions went against them and they had to change their game this trend permeates our game and what we are watching is a direct result
What's Mike McGurns input into all of this?
He's not covering himself in glory since he took up GAA coaching.
Quote from: lawnseed on October 24, 2010, 03:26:32 PM
have to agree cavan our lads are soft as shite. as soon as a team start showing any physical side to their game they're labled "physical" meejah jargon for "dirty". armagh post 2002 were a classic example i remember some of the kerry lads saying "when armagh hit you, you stay hit" the hacks picked up on this and every time the armagh team took to the field it was "their a big physical side" on tg4 you could clearly make out "physical" in the Irish commentry. i never thought armagh were dirty they weren't even that big but this label definitely cost them, decisions went against them and they had to change their game this trend permeates our game and what we are watching is a direct result
Since the advent of diving for frees became more commonplace in Gaelic football and the looking for frees and cards which is also appearing the level of physicality has diminished dramatically which is unfortunate. To be honest I'd nearly like some hurling refs to start reffing the football now!!
i agree dubs. also if you think of it how many of our players come form a third level education backround and are therefore by definition in less physical jobs I'm thinking of the likes of Sean cavanagh, charlie Vernon etc great players but their occupation makes them soft. eg Francie bellew worked at shuttering concrete think of a concrete poker approx 15kg now imagine lifting it up and down maybe 5 or 6 HUNDRED times a day and people wonder where he got his physique, but our lifestyle and association have a case to answer, parents want to drive their cars right into the classroom now and the gaa have told ref to crack down your not aloud to shoulder now ffs.
re jinky didnt know mcgurn was involved says it all
Skills are developed to suit the game being played.
Year after year we see players that can kick points for fun off left and right in gaelic football and they are unable to hit the side of a barn in IR.
Instead of asking "Why?" people take the easy option and say "Our skills are rubbish".
The aussies are used to stopping and shooting when they win a mark.
They are used to tackling hard and taking their man to ground when he comes within reach.
We're not and it means we are constantly on red alert for fear of being tackled and losing possession.
If you put Barcelona up against Bohemians they'd slaughter them.
If you put Barcelona up against Bohemians and told the Bohs lads they could rugby tackle their opponents (if they could catch them), Barca would still win but the gap would be much less.
Does this make them less of a skilful team?
You base your assessment of a players skills on how effective he is at his chosen sport.
Is Gooch less of a gaelic footballer because he's no good at IR?
Or is this just an opportunity for people to further their own agenda i.e. Gaelic football is on a downward spiral, no fielding, no foot passing, no long-range points.
This years championship put that firmly to bed so the IR series represents an ideal opportunity for these people to jump up and down and shout "Look, even the aussies are better gaelic footballers than us!"
It's funny that it was only when we ditched the rubbish tactics and played like a gaelic football team for the last few minutes we started to eat into the lead.
Brogans goal and McKernans point straight after were pure gaelic football moves.
No stopping, no marking, just quick ball laid off at pace to the man in support.
So give the players a break.
p.s. IR is still sh*t and I hope this is the last year of it.
maybe anto and the lads were at a bohs match and thats where they learned to play soccer ;) the tactics were wrong and the players execution of them were brutal. failure to complete a 14 yard pass isn't acceptable at this level. we shouldn't be applauding the basic skills of football. if one of my lads couldn't do this at u10s they'd all be doing pressups and laps. there is no magic formula for beating professional athletes you have to have more passion and determination than they do. i once listened to Joe brolly talking about his run in with enda mc nulty in the ulster championship. he decribed going for a ball and this fella screaming past him to win the ball and getting it and simply leaving him standing mouth opened and he knew that each time the ball came in that mcnulty was going to get it or kill himself in the process and Joe couldn't match that intensity. we must throw off our inhibitions and allow our natural flowing game to come to the fore. we might still be beat but at least we are being true to our code.
and TG4 get better music that diddleydee is not fitting ::) maybe abit of cradle of filth or slipknot 8)
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2010, 04:31:52 PM
Skills are developed to suit the game being played.
Year after year we see players that can kick points for fun off left and right in gaelic football and they are unable to hit the side of a barn in IR.
Instead of asking "Why?" people take the easy option and say "Our skills are rubbish".
The aussies are used to stopping and shooting when they win a mark.
They are used to tackling hard and taking their man to ground when he comes within reach.
We're not and it means we are constantly on red alert for fear of being tackled and losing possession.
If you put Barcelona up against Bohemians they'd slaughter them.
If you put Barcelona up against Bohemians and told the Bohs lads they could rugby tackle their opponents (if they could catch them), Barca would still win but the gap would be much less.
Does this make them less of a skilful team?
You base your assessment of a players skills on how effective he is at his chosen sport.
Is Gooch less of a gaelic footballer because he's no good at IR?
Or is this just an opportunity for people to further their own agenda i.e. Gaelic football is on a downward spiral, no fielding, no foot passing, no long-range points.
This years championship put that firmly to bed so the IR series represents an ideal opportunity for these people to jump up and down and shout "Look, even the aussies are better gaelic footballers than us!"
It's funny that it was only when we ditched the rubbish tactics and played like a gaelic football team for the last few minutes we started to eat into the lead.
Brogans goal and McKernans point straight after were pure gaelic football moves.
No stopping, no marking, just quick ball laid off at pace to the man in support.
So give the players a break.
p.s. IR is still sh*t and I hope this is the last year of it.
Jinxy there is no excuse for lads with free kicks and free shots to be puttin them over the sideline and wide. None. That has nothing to do with IR. Just poor skills execution.
I think a lot of the hatred of this game is not ideological but the lack of appetite for seeing some of our players shown up. Why is there no campaigns against the Shinty internationals?
Tactically we wanted to send gaelic footballers out to play a game of soccer with occasional handballs allowed.
The Aussies played a simple game of kick and mark with the added bonus of proper handpasses to the man not to somewhere in the general direction of a man.
Our players have been kicking balls since they were youngsters - kicking from the hand, kicking off the ground, solos .... Yet anytime one of our players kicks the ball on the ground or on the fly, we rush to label it as "soccer skills". If the game of soccer had never been invented our players would still be able to do these things. Does my fcukin head in.
Quote from: RMDrive on October 24, 2010, 06:43:28 PM
Our players have been kicking balls since they were youngsters - kicking from the hand, kicking off the ground, solos .... Yet anytime one of our players kicks the ball on the ground or on the fly, we rush to label it as "soccer skills". If the game of soccer had never been invented our players would still be able to do these things. Does my fcukin head in.
Name one county or club team that takes to the pitch with playing soccer as its primary tactic for the game?
We are talking about two different things.
Quote from: RMDrive on October 24, 2010, 06:43:28 PM
Our players have been kicking balls since they were youngsters - kicking from the hand, kicking off the ground, solos .... Yet anytime one of our players kicks the ball on the ground or on the fly, we rush to label it as "soccer skills". If the game of soccer had never been invented our players would still be able to do these things. Does my fcukin head in.
Not too many round ball skills on display last night though.
A poor spectable last night. Poor management poor performanes all round. However the most serrious issus is the poor shooting . This is our ball our pitch yet these guys seem to be better than us after only 2 weeks kick about
Best thing about it was the streaker at half time!!
Quote from: Pangurban on October 24, 2010, 05:43:43 AM
Terrible spectacle and i hope the next game is even worse, then perhaps we will an end to this nonsense
Lasts nights game was poor but I can never understand why anyone would watch something just to hope its poor so they can say they told you so. There's bad games in every sport including gaelic football. The county final in Tyrone today was far from good and that was coming from teams who had plenty of competitive games together recently. Many players playing last night hadn't played a game at that level in a while which would have been a factor.
I do think that next weeks game is still very important though. Another game like last nights and there may be no future. Ireland have to come out and play to their own strengths and stop acting like girls. This business of crapping yourself every time the balls comes in your direction has to stop. They have to play a fast running game and get stuck into the Aussies. In some ways its actually set up for a decent game next week. The scoreboard is still close and Irish players will take that much criticism this week that they might actually come out and play with a bit of heart.
Rathvilly and Rathnew both lost today.
Couldn't have helped that Brendan Murphy and Leighton Glynn were playing in Limerick last night.
We need to get back to a club and county mentality.
Not county and country.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2010, 08:04:47 PM
Rathvilly and Rathnew both lost today.
Couldn't have helped that Brendan Murphy and Leighton Glynn were playing in Limerick last night.
We need to get back to a club and county mentality.
Not county and country.
And you were at both games and can indeed confirm that the performance of the 2 lads contributed to their defeats??
Seriously Jinxy your opposition to the IR series was noted on the first page... why you feel the need to come onthe thread every couple of hours to lambaste it again is beyond me!!!
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2010, 08:04:47 PM
Rathvilly and Rathnew both lost today.
Couldn't have helped that Brendan Murphy and Leighton Glynn were playing in Limerick last night.
We need to get back to a club and county mentality.
Not county and country.
How many other championship games have these clubs lost in the last 126 years?
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 24, 2010, 10:06:23 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2010, 08:04:47 PM
Rathvilly and Rathnew both lost today.
Couldn't have helped that Brendan Murphy and Leighton Glynn were playing in Limerick last night.
We need to get back to a club and county mentality.
Not county and country.
How many other championship games have these clubs lost in the last 126 years?
Rathvilly were in a county final and Rathnew were in the Leinster club championship.
That's a pretty big deal for them.
Michael Shields opted out so he could give 100% against Nemo today.
That's the sort of lad you want on your team.
Maybe it's just conspiracy mentality, but I thought the Aussies took the foot off the pedal specifically so the second game would be a live issue. Thought they could have killed it off but no commercial sense in that. We are dealing with a professional sport here.
Do the Aussie players get paid for their time in the IR series?
Anthony Tohill on the Sunday game not too long ago.
"There is no place for that kind of stuff on on a football field"
The same could ring true for many of the pathethic Irish performances in Limerick yesterday, hopefully there will be a vast improvement next weekend. That Irish team could do with a few Paul Galvin and Tomas O'Se types and a few mullockors, alas from seeing yesterday there are few on that panel to step up and lead.
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 24, 2010, 10:19:59 PM
Do the Aussie players get paid for their time in the IR series?
Not a dime.
The Irish lads took the last three days off work & TG4 footed the bill.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2010, 08:04:47 PM
Rathvilly and Rathnew both lost today.
Couldn't have helped that Brendan Murphy and Leighton Glynn were playing in Limerick last night.
We need to get back to a club and county mentality.
Not county and country.
They're amateur players who can play what they want and when they want to play it. Stop using the IR as an excuse for what mentality we meed to get back to - it has nothing to do with anything.
Quote from: stephenite on October 24, 2010, 10:49:39 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2010, 08:04:47 PM
Rathvilly and Rathnew both lost today.
Couldn't have helped that Brendan Murphy and Leighton Glynn were playing in Limerick last night.
We need to get back to a club and county mentality.
Not county and country.
They're amateur players who can play what they want and when they want to play it. Stop using the IR as an excuse for what mentality we meed to get back to - it has nothing to do with anything.
So if a Ballina player played a game of rugby the day before a county final you'd have no problem with it?
Give over would you.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2010, 10:54:30 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 24, 2010, 10:49:39 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2010, 08:04:47 PM
Rathvilly and Rathnew both lost today.
Couldn't have helped that Brendan Murphy and Leighton Glynn were playing in Limerick last night.
We need to get back to a club and county mentality.
Not county and country.
They're amateur players who can play what they want and when they want to play it. Stop using the IR as an excuse for what mentality we meed to get back to - it has nothing to do with anything.
So if a Ballina player played a game of rugby the day before a county final you'd have no problem with it?
Give over would you.
You're like a whining bitch that just won't shut her mouth.
I can only assume that you're in favour of pay for play; but you've some f**king neck on ya dictating to amateur players what games they can and cannot play and questioning it on an Internet discussion forum.
For the record Ballina Stephenites had to ask the IRFU for premission to play Ger Brady in a County final against Crossmolina in 2000, he was contracted as a full time rugby player and had to sign a release for this game. Liam McHale missed a Connacht Club final in 1985 because he was getting paid to play a basketball game the same day. I've no problems with either of these.
Quote from: stephenite on October 24, 2010, 11:07:15 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2010, 10:54:30 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 24, 2010, 10:49:39 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2010, 08:04:47 PM
Rathvilly and Rathnew both lost today.
Couldn't have helped that Brendan Murphy and Leighton Glynn were playing in Limerick last night.
We need to get back to a club and county mentality.
Not county and country.
They're amateur players who can play what they want and when they want to play it. Stop using the IR as an excuse for what mentality we meed to get back to - it has nothing to do with anything.
So if a Ballina player played a game of rugby the day before a county final you'd have no problem with it?
Give over would you.
You're like a whining bitch that just won't shut her mouth.
I can only assume that you're in favour of pay for play; but you've some f**king neck on ya dictating to amateur players what games they can and cannot play and questioning it on an Internet discussion forum.
For the record Ballina Stephenites had to ask the IRFU for premission to play Ger Brady in a County final against Crossmolina in 2000, he was contracted as a full time rugby player and had to sign a release for this game. Liam McHale missed a Connacht Club final in 1985 because he was getting paid to play a basketball game the same day. I've no problems with either of these.
Strange statement from someone who said they would prefer to win a north mayo league title over the IR.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 24, 2010, 11:25:56 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 24, 2010, 11:07:15 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2010, 10:54:30 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 24, 2010, 10:49:39 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2010, 08:04:47 PM
Rathvilly and Rathnew both lost today.
Couldn't have helped that Brendan Murphy and Leighton Glynn were playing in Limerick last night.
We need to get back to a club and county mentality.
Not county and country.
They're amateur players who can play what they want and when they want to play it. Stop using the IR as an excuse for what mentality we meed to get back to - it has nothing to do with anything.
So if a Ballina player played a game of rugby the day before a county final you'd have no problem with it?
Give over would you.
You're like a whining bitch that just won't shut her mouth.
I can only assume that you're in favour of pay for play; but you've some f**king neck on ya dictating to amateur players what games they can and cannot play and questioning it on an Internet discussion forum.
For the record Ballina Stephenites had to ask the IRFU for premission to play Ger Brady in a County final against Crossmolina in 2000, he was contracted as a full time rugby player and had to sign a release for this game. Liam McHale missed a Connacht Club final in 1985 because he was getting paid to play a basketball game the same day. I've no problems with either of these.
Strange statement from someone who said they would prefer to win a north mayo league title over the IR.
What's my personal preference over what amateur title I'd rather have won got to do with anything?
What Ireland need to do is this:
Apart from the scoring zone, forget about the mark. Any time Ireland called one they took an age to distribute the ball and by then the more tactically astute Aussies had all options covered. The Aussies took the mark and passed within 2 seconds.
Even when Ireland did call one in the scoring zone, it was the wrong decision as McDonnell and Cavanagh were steaming through.
Quote from: stephenite on October 24, 2010, 11:07:15 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2010, 10:54:30 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 24, 2010, 10:49:39 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2010, 08:04:47 PM
Rathvilly and Rathnew both lost today.
Couldn't have helped that Brendan Murphy and Leighton Glynn were playing in Limerick last night.
We need to get back to a club and county mentality.
Not county and country.
They're amateur players who can play what they want and when they want to play it. Stop using the IR as an excuse for what mentality we meed to get back to - it has nothing to do with anything.
So if a Ballina player played a game of rugby the day before a county final you'd have no problem with it?
Give over would you.
You're like a whining bitch that just won't shut her mouth.
I can only assume that you're in favour of pay for play; but you've some f**king neck on ya dictating to amateur players what games they can and cannot play and questioning it on an Internet discussion forum.
For the record Ballina Stephenites had to ask the IRFU for premission to play Ger Brady in a County final against Crossmolina in 2000, he was contracted as a full time rugby player and had to sign a release for this game. Liam McHale missed a Connacht Club final in 1985 because he was getting paid to play a basketball game the same day. I've no problems with either of these.
Good lord.
What are you even talking about? :D
Quote from: ONeill on October 24, 2010, 11:28:47 PM
What Ireland need to do is this:
Apart from the scoring zone, forget about the mark. Any time Ireland called one they took an age to distribute the ball and by then the more tactically astute Aussies had all options covered. The Aussies took the mark and passed within 2 seconds.
Even when Ireland did call one in the scoring zone, it was the wrong decision as McDonnell and Cavanagh were steaming through.
Push up on them and don't let them walk it out of their own half.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2010, 11:40:49 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 24, 2010, 11:07:15 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2010, 10:54:30 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 24, 2010, 10:49:39 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2010, 08:04:47 PM
Rathvilly and Rathnew both lost today.
Couldn't have helped that Brendan Murphy and Leighton Glynn were playing in Limerick last night.
We need to get back to a club and county mentality.
Not county and country.
They're amateur players who can play what they want and when they want to play it. Stop using the IR as an excuse for what mentality we meed to get back to - it has nothing to do with anything.
So if a Ballina player played a game of rugby the day before a county final you'd have no problem with it?
Give over would you.
You're like a whining bitch that just won't shut her mouth.
I can only assume that you're in favour of pay for play; but you've some f**king neck on ya dictating to amateur players what games they can and cannot play and questioning it on an Internet discussion forum.
For the record Ballina Stephenites had to ask the IRFU for premission to play Ger Brady in a County final against Crossmolina in 2000, he was contracted as a full time rugby player and had to sign a release for this game. Liam McHale missed a Connacht Club final in 1985 because he was getting paid to play a basketball game the same day. I've no problems with either of these.
Good lord.
What are you even talking about? :D
Oh Jesus wept - what an answer ::)
Were you on the beer all day. ???
What makes you think I'm in favour of pay for play?
Quote from: Jinxy on October 25, 2010, 12:20:34 AM
Were you on the beer all day. ???
What makes you think I'm in favour of pay for play?
No.
You make a comment that more or less suggests that certain individuals are not committed to their clubs, unless these players are contracted to their club or counties you've no right to suggest such a thing. What they do in their spare time is none of your business.
When the GPA debate os ongoing you'll hear everyone that is against this organisation saying that playing our games is essentially a pastime and if they don't like the way the association is run you should find another pastime.
You've named certain players whose mindsets you feel need to be changed, players who are not paid by anyone to line out for their club. Therefore is it not resonable to assume you'd advocate paying these players in order to facilitate this?
Quote from: stephenite on October 25, 2010, 12:32:48 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 25, 2010, 12:20:34 AM
Were you on the beer all day. ???
What makes you think I'm in favour of pay for play?
No.
You make a comment that more or less suggests that certain individuals are not committed to their clubs, unless these players are contracted to their club or counties you've no right to suggest such a thing. What they do in their spare time is none of your business.
When the GPA debate os ongoing you'll hear everyone that is against this organisation saying that playing our games is essentially a pastime and if they don't like the way the association is run you should find another pastime.
You've named certain players whose mindsets you feel need to be changed, players who are not paid by anyone to line out for their club. Therefore is it not resonable to assume you'd advocate paying these players in order to facilitate this?
If they went on the beer the night before a county final would you be annoyed?
Your attitude seems to be that the clubs aren't paying them so they've no right to expect any sort of commitment or loyalty from them.
I'm sensing a bit of anger here so maybe you had a run-in with someone at your club but the attitude you're espousing is completely at odds with the GAA ethos.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 25, 2010, 12:45:04 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 25, 2010, 12:32:48 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 25, 2010, 12:20:34 AM
Were you on the beer all day. ???
What makes you think I'm in favour of pay for play?
No.
You make a comment that more or less suggests that certain individuals are not committed to their clubs, unless these players are contracted to their club or counties you've no right to suggest such a thing. What they do in their spare time is none of your business.
When the GPA debate os ongoing you'll hear everyone that is against this organisation saying that playing our games is essentially a pastime and if they don't like the way the association is run you should find another pastime.
You've named certain players whose mindsets you feel need to be changed, players who are not paid by anyone to line out for their club. Therefore is it not resonable to assume you'd advocate paying these players in order to facilitate this?
If they went on the beer the night before a county final would you be annoyed?
Your attitude seems to be that the clubs aren't paying them so they've no right to expect any sort of commitment or loyalty from them.
I'm sensing a bit of anger here so maybe you had a run-in with someone at your club but the attitude you're espousing is completely at odds with the GAA ethos.
Going on the beer is not the same thing as playing for your country - grow up.
No runs ins, but yeah - I think it's disgraceful that you'll come on here and name 2 players and basically question their commitment to their clubs because they wanted to play for their country as well, I understand you don't like the IR but to question the motivations and commitment of two amateur players and use that as a stick to beat the IR experiment is a really cheap shot and makes me kind of angry - Leighton Glynn is playing 3 games this weekend, I think he should be highlighted, feted and praised from everywhere possible for showing what the GAA ethos is about, and not the subject of scurrilous mutterings from someone on the Internet who doesn't like the game he's playing.
Stephenite, you're being a wee bit unreasonably sensationalist.
What Jinxy said, and I feckin hate Meath, is that two players who played IR last night are bound to have been affected by it today. Jaysus of course they would. It was an international game less than half a day before another big game.
Quote from: ONeill on October 25, 2010, 01:02:31 AM
Stephenite, you're being a wee bit unreasonably sensationalist.
Noted.
He also suggested that their mindsets need to change - I think that's unfair.
As someone who has been consistent in his hatred for Intl rules I think it's unreasonable that he drags players committment to their clubs into the discussion to suit his argument.
Quote from: stephenite on October 25, 2010, 12:56:21 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 25, 2010, 12:45:04 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 25, 2010, 12:32:48 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 25, 2010, 12:20:34 AM
Were you on the beer all day. ???
What makes you think I'm in favour of pay for play?
No.
You make a comment that more or less suggests that certain individuals are not committed to their clubs, unless these players are contracted to their club or counties you've no right to suggest such a thing. What they do in their spare time is none of your business.
When the GPA debate os ongoing you'll hear everyone that is against this organisation saying that playing our games is essentially a pastime and if they don't like the way the association is run you should find another pastime.
You've named certain players whose mindsets you feel need to be changed, players who are not paid by anyone to line out for their club. Therefore is it not resonable to assume you'd advocate paying these players in order to facilitate this?
If they went on the beer the night before a county final would you be annoyed?
Your attitude seems to be that the clubs aren't paying them so they've no right to expect any sort of commitment or loyalty from them.
I'm sensing a bit of anger here so maybe you had a run-in with someone at your club but the attitude you're espousing is completely at odds with the GAA ethos.
Going on the beer is not the same thing as playing for your country - grow up.
No runs ins, but yeah - I think it's disgraceful that you'll come on here and name 2 players and basically question their commitment to their clubs because they wanted to play for their country as well, I understand you don't like the IR but to question the motivations and commitment of two amateur players and use that as a stick to beat the IR experiment is a really cheap shot and makes me kind of angry - Leighton Glynn is playing 3 games this weekend, I think he should be highlighted, feted and praised from everywhere possible for showing what the GAA ethos is about, and not the subject of scurrilous mutterings from someone on the Internet who doesn't like the game he's playing.
But you said what they do in their spare time is none of our business?
Quote from: Jinxy on October 25, 2010, 01:16:43 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 25, 2010, 12:56:21 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 25, 2010, 12:45:04 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 25, 2010, 12:32:48 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 25, 2010, 12:20:34 AM
Were you on the beer all day. ???
What makes you think I'm in favour of pay for play?
No.
You make a comment that more or less suggests that certain individuals are not committed to their clubs, unless these players are contracted to their club or counties you've no right to suggest such a thing. What they do in their spare time is none of your business.
When the GPA debate os ongoing you'll hear everyone that is against this organisation saying that playing our games is essentially a pastime and if they don't like the way the association is run you should find another pastime.
You've named certain players whose mindsets you feel need to be changed, players who are not paid by anyone to line out for their club. Therefore is it not resonable to assume you'd advocate paying these players in order to facilitate this?
If they went on the beer the night before a county final would you be annoyed?
Your attitude seems to be that the clubs aren't paying them so they've no right to expect any sort of commitment or loyalty from them.
I'm sensing a bit of anger here so maybe you had a run-in with someone at your club but the attitude you're espousing is completely at odds with the GAA ethos.
Going on the beer is not the same thing as playing for your country - grow up.
No runs ins, but yeah - I think it's disgraceful that you'll come on here and name 2 players and basically question their commitment to their clubs because they wanted to play for their country as well, I understand you don't like the IR but to question the motivations and commitment of two amateur players and use that as a stick to beat the IR experiment is a really cheap shot and makes me kind of angry - Leighton Glynn is playing 3 games this weekend, I think he should be highlighted, feted and praised from everywhere possible for showing what the GAA ethos is about, and not the subject of scurrilous mutterings from someone on the Internet who doesn't like the game he's playing.
But you said what they do in their spare time is none of our business, did you not?
Quote from: Jinxy on October 25, 2010, 01:17:09 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 25, 2010, 01:16:43 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 25, 2010, 12:56:21 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 25, 2010, 12:45:04 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 25, 2010, 12:32:48 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 25, 2010, 12:20:34 AM
Were you on the beer all day. ???
What makes you think I'm in favour of pay for play?
No.
You make a comment that more or less suggests that certain individuals are not committed to their clubs, unless these players are contracted to their club or counties you've no right to suggest such a thing. What they do in their spare time is none of your business.
When the GPA debate os ongoing you'll hear everyone that is against this organisation saying that playing our games is essentially a pastime and if they don't like the way the association is run you should find another pastime.
You've named certain players whose mindsets you feel need to be changed, players who are not paid by anyone to line out for their club. Therefore is it not resonable to assume you'd advocate paying these players in order to facilitate this?
If they went on the beer the night before a county final would you be annoyed?
Your attitude seems to be that the clubs aren't paying them so they've no right to expect any sort of commitment or loyalty from them.
I'm sensing a bit of anger here so maybe you had a run-in with someone at your club but the attitude you're espousing is completely at odds with the GAA ethos.
Going on the beer is not the same thing as playing for your country - grow up.
No runs ins, but yeah - I think it's disgraceful that you'll come on here and name 2 players and basically question their commitment to their clubs because they wanted to play for their country as well, I understand you don't like the IR but to question the motivations and commitment of two amateur players and use that as a stick to beat the IR experiment is a really cheap shot and makes me kind of angry - Leighton Glynn is playing 3 games this weekend, I think he should be highlighted, feted and praised from everywhere possible for showing what the GAA ethos is about, and not the subject of scurrilous mutterings from someone on the Internet who doesn't like the game he's playing.
But you said what they do in their spare time is none of our business, did you not?
Regardless, it's not a like for like. If someone was to go on the beer it'd be there loss in my view and we'd be better off without them.
I wouln't be annoyed if they were playing a different sport, particularly if that sport was providing them their wage.
Quote from: stephenite on October 24, 2010, 11:27:54 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 24, 2010, 11:25:56 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 24, 2010, 11:07:15 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2010, 10:54:30 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 24, 2010, 10:49:39 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2010, 08:04:47 PM
Rathvilly and Rathnew both lost today.
Couldn't have helped that Brendan Murphy and Leighton Glynn were playing in Limerick last night.
We need to get back to a club and county mentality.
Not county and country.
They're amateur players who can play what they want and when they want to play it. Stop using the IR as an excuse for what mentality we meed to get back to - it has nothing to do with anything.
So if a Ballina player played a game of rugby the day before a county final you'd have no problem with it?
Give over would you.
You're like a whining bitch that just won't shut her mouth.
I can only assume that you're in favour of pay for play; but you've some f**king neck on ya dictating to amateur players what games they can and cannot play and questioning it on an Internet discussion forum.
For the record Ballina Stephenites had to ask the IRFU for premission to play Ger Brady in a County final against Crossmolina in 2000, he was contracted as a full time rugby player and had to sign a release for this game. Liam McHale missed a Connacht Club final in 1985 because he was getting paid to play a basketball game the same day. I've no problems with either of these.
Strange statement from someone who said they would prefer to win a north mayo league title over the IR.
What's my personal preference over what amateur title I'd rather have won got to do with anything?
Logic would dictate that someone who rates a county league title over an international rules series win would by the same token prefer to see players with ntheir clubs rather then country in the case of a clash.
dont take this the wrong way but youre coming across you're completely illogical or totally hypocritical. Thats the way it comes across to me. Ive consistently said this should never interfere with club concerns and I wouldnt be happy with any vincents players going with the same course of action. The GAA begins and ends with your club and I cant imagine club people being happy with this interfereing with club fixtures .
Quote from: INDIANA on October 25, 2010, 01:26:05 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 24, 2010, 11:27:54 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 24, 2010, 11:25:56 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 24, 2010, 11:07:15 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2010, 10:54:30 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 24, 2010, 10:49:39 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2010, 08:04:47 PM
Rathvilly and Rathnew both lost today.
Couldn't have helped that Brendan Murphy and Leighton Glynn were playing in Limerick last night.
We need to get back to a club and county mentality.
Not county and country.
They're amateur players who can play what they want and when they want to play it. Stop using the IR as an excuse for what mentality we meed to get back to - it has nothing to do with anything.
So if a Ballina player played a game of rugby the day before a county final you'd have no problem with it?
Give over would you.
You're like a whining bitch that just won't shut her mouth.
I can only assume that you're in favour of pay for play; but you've some f**king neck on ya dictating to amateur players what games they can and cannot play and questioning it on an Internet discussion forum.
For the record Ballina Stephenites had to ask the IRFU for premission to play Ger Brady in a County final against Crossmolina in 2000, he was contracted as a full time rugby player and had to sign a release for this game. Liam McHale missed a Connacht Club final in 1985 because he was getting paid to play a basketball game the same day. I've no problems with either of these.
Strange statement from someone who said they would prefer to win a north mayo league title over the IR.
What's my personal preference over what amateur title I'd rather have won got to do with anything?
Logic would dictate that someone who rates a county league title over an international rules series win would by the same token prefer to see players with ntheir clubs rather then country in the case of a clash.
dont take this the wrong way but youre coming across you're completely illogical or totally hypocritical. Thats the way it comes across to me. Ive consistently said this should never interfere with club concerns and I wouldnt be happy with any vincents players going with the same course of action. The GAA begins and ends with your club and I cant imagine club people being happy with this interfereing with club fixtures .
The comment was made off the cuff, winning a North Mayo winter league was about the level that my skills would allow, I would have more chance of going to the moon than representing Ireland at Intl rules.
On the substantive point - what I would prefer to see happening with club players is not always in line with the actual club players themselves want, and as amateurs
that has to be respectedIf one of the Vincents players decided to play in this instead of a county final it is quite frankly his own business and not yours, you can be pissed off but until such time as he is a contracted player it's his call.
If that's hypcrotical or illogical so be it - it's how I see it.
Its a sad day when they do so in my view. If a player doesnt feel some level of responsibility towards their club over this then we're really screwed.
I'll be honest and say any vincents player would never be forgiven for it. That i can guarantee. But its probably different elsewhere.
Most team-mates would take a dim view of someone putting themselves first and diminishing the clubs chances of winning a county title.
The GAA is supposed to be about collective achievement.
Comments about contracts etc. are a bit depressing and I really hope that's not the way we're going.
A player who emigrates for economic reasons is lamented.
A player who doesn't play for wild oats or alcoholic reasons is tolerated.
A man who plays for Ireland and then for his club the next day is somehow a lesser man?
I'm with Stephenite on this, God forbid that our opinion gets us shot.
The mark doesn't slow the game down - the Irish failure to "play on" from the mark slowed their game down. If you watch enough AFL you will note that in 80% of cases the player taking the mark either immediately disposes of the ball by hand or foot or runs off the mark. If you take a mark in either AFL or IR and then stop to consider your options then the game will slow down.
I think its crazy that the Aussies can beat an Ireland team using the round ball for a start, could you imagine if this game was devised with the oval ball instead, it wouldn't even be a contest.
People keep going on about the difference in fitness levels, but surely there shouldn't be that much a difference between the two teams regarding fitness as top level GAA training these days is pretty much professional.
The tackle seems to be the key in this game, its not second nature to GAA players to get the ball and get rid of it as soon as an opponent comes into your line of sight because a GAA player will try and get around the man or side step him, its like our players forget that the opponent can just grab you and drag you to the ground and they still try and play the way they would in a normal GAA match.
As or the mark, posters here have been spot on regarding the attitude of our players once they catch the ball. They seem to think that every time they get the mark that they have to take 3 or 4 seconds and look about for a pass instead of playing on like they would in any normal match once they catch the ball. There was an instant when an Irish man (think it was Glynn) caught the ball abbout 30 yards out with another player steaming through in a perfect position to receive the pass which would have lead to a one on one but the Irish player who caught the ball had never any intention of doing anything but catching it and tapping it over the bar.
Just watched this tripe last night and I must say it is absolutely a waste if time,. How we can expect players to perform in a game that is only played every two years is ridiculous! Also any sport that rewards a forward for not winning a ball out in front and making it more advantageous to let the defender win it and then jump on him and drag him to the ground, has serious problems! Gaelic football earns no credit from this crap, it's boring to watch and our authorities would be better if promoting the gaelic football abroad if they want an international aspect.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 25, 2010, 09:05:58 AM
I think its crazy that the Aussies can beat an Ireland team using the round ball for a start, could you imagine if this game was devised with the oval ball instead, it wouldn't even be a contest.
I don't get this. The ball is round it does exactly what it says on the tin. Everyone everywhere knows what way a round ball will bounce.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 25, 2010, 09:05:58 AM
I think its crazy that the Aussies can beat an Ireland team using the round ball for a start, could you imagine if this game was devised with the oval ball instead, it wouldn't even be a contest.
People keep going on about the difference in fitness levels, but surely there shouldn't be that much a difference between the two teams regarding fitness as top level GAA training these days is pretty much professional.
The tackle seems to be the key in this game, its not second nature to GAA players to get the ball and get rid of it as soon as an opponent comes into your line of sight because a GAA player will try and get around the man or side step him, its like our players forget that the opponent can just grab you and drag you to the ground and they still try and play the way they would in a normal GAA match.
As or the mark, posters here have been spot on regarding the attitude of our players once they catch the ball. They seem to think that every time they get the mark that they have to take 3 or 4 seconds and look about for a pass instead of playing on like they would in any normal match once they catch the ball. There was an instant when an Irish man (think it was Glynn) caught the ball abbout 30 yards out with another player steaming through in a perfect position to receive the pass which would have lead to a one on one but the Irish player who caught the ball had never any intention of doing anything but catching it and tapping it over the bar.
The fitness level difference are huge. The AFL players are very much underdone at this time of the year as most of them have done very little training in the 4-8 weeks since their season finished. Unlike GAA there is no football for five months after the grand final. If the game was played in March after AFL players have completed extensive pre season training the gap would be very obvious.
I now officially despise this artificial game. It's sheer nonsense.
Next week would be better if they turn it into a team-based sports day. 3 legged race, egg and spoon race, a bed push, the longest kick contest, maybe some 5 a side soccer on Croke Park, rounders, or a bit of tag rugby. And so on. That way the two countries could still compete, and at least it might be entertaining.
Quote from: Zapatista on October 25, 2010, 09:27:31 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 25, 2010, 09:05:58 AM
I think its crazy that the Aussies can beat an Ireland team using the round ball for a start, could you imagine if this game was devised with the oval ball instead, it wouldn't even be a contest.
I don't get this. The ball is round it does exactly what it says on the tin. Everyone everywhere knows what way a round ball will bounce.
I was alluding to the kicking of the oval ball in comparison to the round ball. The Australian players are kicking a ball out of their hands which to them is alien, yet they still outscore the team that should be the masters of that ball. My point was that if the oval ball was used the Irish team would not even be competitive.
Quote from: HeaveHo on October 25, 2010, 09:45:57 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 25, 2010, 09:05:58 AM
I think its crazy that the Aussies can beat an Ireland team using the round ball for a start, could you imagine if this game was devised with the oval ball instead, it wouldn't even be a contest.
People keep going on about the difference in fitness levels, but surely there shouldn't be that much a difference between the two teams regarding fitness as top level GAA training these days is pretty much professional.
The tackle seems to be the key in this game, its not second nature to GAA players to get the ball and get rid of it as soon as an opponent comes into your line of sight because a GAA player will try and get around the man or side step him, its like our players forget that the opponent can just grab you and drag you to the ground and they still try and play the way they would in a normal GAA match.
As or the mark, posters here have been spot on regarding the attitude of our players once they catch the ball. They seem to think that every time they get the mark that they have to take 3 or 4 seconds and look about for a pass instead of playing on like they would in any normal match once they catch the ball. There was an instant when an Irish man (think it was Glynn) caught the ball abbout 30 yards out with another player steaming through in a perfect position to receive the pass which would have lead to a one on one but the Irish player who caught the ball had never any intention of doing anything but catching it and tapping it over the bar.
The fitness level difference are huge. The AFL players are very much underdone at this time of the year as most of them have done very little training in the 4-8 weeks since their season finished. Unlike GAA there is no football for five months after the grand final. If the game was played in March after AFL players have completed extensive pre season training the gap would be very obvious.
The same could be said for the majority of the Gaelic players too, alot of them would have hardly any top level football in the past month or two unless their club or county reached the latter stages of the Championship. Would their be much difference in fitness levels between a top level AFL player and a top Intercounty player in the middle of their respective Championship campaigns?
Quote from: muppet on October 25, 2010, 02:30:53 AM
A player who emigrates for economic reasons is lamented.
A player who doesn't play for wild oats or alcoholic reasons is tolerated.
A man who plays for Ireland and then for his club the next day is somehow a lesser man?
I'm with Stephenite on this, God forbid that our opinion gets us shot.
I could never agree with anyone who would play in this the day before a county final. Thats my opinion. Its up to them what thye want to do For me the club is everything. Without that the games dont exist.
As to the future of the series - there is none. Its a horrible game to watch and its also galling watching the Aussies being able to kick the ball better then us. Once the aussies started taking this seriously we were always in trouble.
The International Rules and the gaaboard: the perfect storm of whinge.
Yes, i say there would be a big difference in fitness levels. These guys are professional sports men who train every day (sometimes twice a day during pre-season). they are also 2 stone a man heavier and not to mention muscle mass and brute strength, the advantage they have over Ireland is unquestionable. Did you see that guy standing beside Stephen McDonnell for the toss at the start, he was nearly twice his size and he could shift so what chance has the Irish competing against these professional athletes.
I don't care that people say these guys haven't trained in ages, bullshit. The training is already in the legs and over the last 2 weeks the would have brushed up a bit on sharpness and ball work and they'd be ready. I agree the Irish are playing into their hands by slowing it down and taking too many marks but you lads have to remember the Aussies have learnt over the years to bring over better athletes (who are still strong as f**k) and we don't stand a chance anymore
From Newstalk, what the fcuk is all this about. How much mutual interest is there between a professional sporting body and amateurs who have
no interest in being paid for playing their passtime of choice.
Maybe its already obvious but are the GAA authorities and GPA alike targeting the AFL as a model for the future development of Gaelic Football ?
QuoteThe Gaelic Players Association and their Aussie Rules counterparts, the AFL Players Association have announced a player transition agreement to assist Irish players returning home. The agreement is designed to help players in a wide range of development programmes including career advice, financial advice and health.
Speaking about the launch of the joint player transition agreement, GPA chief executive Dessie Farrell said: "Following this significant agreement, the GPA is now in a position to work with the AFLPA to help support players returning to Ireland and Gaelic Games after a period in the AFL.
"I think it's vital that we recognise the challenges this transition poses for the Irish player by providing them with effective personal assistance. "We are also looking forward to strengthening our relationship with the AFLPA on matters of mutual interest for our respective members."
Quote from: fearglasmor on October 25, 2010, 05:59:21 PM
From Newstalk, what the fcuk is all this about. How much mutual interest is there between a professional sporting body and amateurs who have no interest in being paid for playing their passtime of choice.
Maybe its already obvious but are the GAA authorities and GPA alike targeting the AFL as a model for the future development of Gaelic Football ?
QuoteThe Gaelic Players Association and their Aussie Rules counterparts, the AFL Players Association have announced a player transition agreement to assist Irish players returning home. The agreement is designed to help players in a wide range of development programmes including career advice, financial advice and health.
Speaking about the launch of the joint player transition agreement, GPA chief executive Dessie Farrell said: "Following this significant agreement, the GPA is now in a position to work with the AFLPA to help support players returning to Ireland and Gaelic Games after a period in the AFL.
"I think it's vital that we recognise the challenges this transition poses for the Irish player by providing them with effective personal assistance. "We are also looking forward to strengthening our relationship with the AFLPA on matters of mutual interest for our respective members."
Always an agenda with the GPA and always will be. No matter what they say- they want to be paid.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 25, 2010, 06:33:30 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on October 25, 2010, 05:59:21 PM
From Newstalk, what the fcuk is all this about. How much mutual interest is there between a professional sporting body and amateurs who have no interest in being paid for playing their passtime of choice.
Maybe its already obvious but are the GAA authorities and GPA alike targeting the AFL as a model for the future development of Gaelic Football ?
QuoteThe Gaelic Players Association and their Aussie Rules counterparts, the AFL Players Association have announced a player transition agreement to assist Irish players returning home. The agreement is designed to help players in a wide range of development programmes including career advice, financial advice and health.
Speaking about the launch of the joint player transition agreement, GPA chief executive Dessie Farrell said: "Following this significant agreement, the GPA is now in a position to work with the AFLPA to help support players returning to Ireland and Gaelic Games after a period in the AFL.
"I think it's vital that we recognise the challenges this transition poses for the Irish player by providing them with effective personal assistance. "We are also looking forward to strengthening our relationship with the AFLPA on matters of mutual interest for our respective members."
Always an agenda with the GPA and always will be. No matter what they say- they want to be paid.
You're very cynical Indiana!
It didn't take Dessie long to turn from poacher to gamekeeper - as I was going through the turnstile on Saturday night, who did I see getting ushered in foc through the door marked 'Officials' on Dessie and his two sons, a couple of steps behind Sean Kelly and then being led down to the Ard Comhairle section to sit next to Christy, Padraic and their Aussie counterparts.
Quote from: lolafrola on October 25, 2010, 04:47:49 PM
Yes, i say there would be a big difference in fitness levels. These guys are professional sports men who train every day (sometimes twice a day during pre-season). they are also 2 stone a man heavier and not to mention muscle mass and brute strength, the advantage they have over Ireland is unquestionable. Did you see that guy standing beside Stephen McDonnell for the toss at the start, he was nearly twice his size and he could shift so what chance has the Irish competing against these professional athletes.
I don't care that people say these guys haven't trained in ages, bullshit. The training is already in the legs and over the last 2 weeks the would have brushed up a bit on sharpness and ball work and they'd be ready. I agree the Irish are playing into their hands by slowing it down and taking too many marks but you lads have to remember the Aussies have learnt over the years to bring over better athletes (who are still strong as f**k) and we don't stand a chance anymore
So I assume this is going to put to bed the age old boast "sure GAA players are just as fit as the professionals so-and-so went to such-and-such soccer club on trial and they were saying he was fitter than the lot of them"
jinxy the star robbed your gooch comment just read it :P
What did it say?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 25, 2010, 07:32:03 PM
Quote from: lolafrola on October 25, 2010, 04:47:49 PM
Yes, i say there would be a big difference in fitness levels. These guys are professional sports men who train every day (sometimes twice a day during pre-season). they are also 2 stone a man heavier and not to mention muscle mass and brute strength, the advantage they have over Ireland is unquestionable. Did you see that guy standing beside Stephen McDonnell for the toss at the start, he was nearly twice his size and he could shift so what chance has the Irish competing against these professional athletes.
I don't care that people say these guys haven't trained in ages, bullshit. The training is already in the legs and over the last 2 weeks the would have brushed up a bit on sharpness and ball work and they'd be ready. I agree the Irish are playing into their hands by slowing it down and taking too many marks but you lads have to remember the Aussies have learnt over the years to bring over better athletes (who are still strong as f**k) and we don't stand a chance anymore
So I assume this is going to put to bed the age old boast "sure GAA players are just as fit as the professionals so-and-so went to such-and-such soccer club on trial and they were saying he was fitter than the lot of them"
The fitness thing isn't a fair playing field against the aussies. The aussies pump iron, basically professionally, several days a week. GAA players do it in their spare time.
I don't believe for one second that at a cardio level the aussies are fitter - in fact I think they are a good bit behind. When you have big guys continually hitting you it wears you down. It's basically being hit by bigger men wearing the Irish guys down which doesn't make them look as fit.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 25, 2010, 09:05:18 PM
What did it say?
you said just because gooch was no good at CR it didnt make him a bad footballer or words to that effect and keiran cunningham said just because gooch was no good at CR it didnt make him a bad footballer... uncanny! are you keiran cunningham? :o
Nah.
That's a pretty general statement though.
I was going to ring them up looking for money!
Quote from: Jinxy on October 25, 2010, 10:35:52 PM
Nah.
That's a pretty general statement though.
I was going to ring them up looking for money!
what about your gaa amateur ethos? all that money sure it would put you nuts
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 25, 2010, 09:19:06 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 25, 2010, 07:32:03 PM
Quote from: lolafrola on October 25, 2010, 04:47:49 PM
Yes, i say there would be a big difference in fitness levels. These guys are professional sports men who train every day (sometimes twice a day during pre-season). they are also 2 stone a man heavier and not to mention muscle mass and brute strength, the advantage they have over Ireland is unquestionable. Did you see that guy standing beside Stephen McDonnell for the toss at the start, he was nearly twice his size and he could shift so what chance has the Irish competing against these professional athletes.
I don't care that people say these guys haven't trained in ages, bullshit. The training is already in the legs and over the last 2 weeks the would have brushed up a bit on sharpness and ball work and they'd be ready. I agree the Irish are playing into their hands by slowing it down and taking too many marks but you lads have to remember the Aussies have learnt over the years to bring over better athletes (who are still strong as f**k) and we don't stand a chance anymore
So I assume this is going to put to bed the age old boast "sure GAA players are just as fit as the professionals so-and-so went to such-and-such soccer club on trial and they were saying he was fitter than the lot of them"
The fitness thing isn't a fair playing field against the aussies. The aussies pump iron, basically professionally, several days a week. GAA players do it in their spare time.
I don't believe for one second that at a cardio level the aussies are fitter - in fact I think they are a good bit behind.
Really? I very much doubt it to be honest.
AFL games last 20 minutes a quarter so a match is 80 minutes long. Not to mention the clock is stopped when the ball is dead or goes out of play meaning an average quarter could easily last anywhere up to 30 minutes in real time.
They are professionals at the end of the day. The likelihood is that they are fitter.
dont know about the aussies being that much fitter some of them complaining were about the legs being run off them.. in the upper body stakes they'd blow us away. the bigger you are it takes more energy to get you about maybe thats what happened in the last 10 munutes maybe they ran out of steam
I'd say there is a lot more rotation in the aussie rules game.
I'd also say the average GAA player covers a lot more ground than an aussie rules one.
Plus you run in short bursts to get the ball. Then you either mark or get nailed so you can't really run with it.
All those being said I think we'd be fitter cardio wise. It's the hits that take the toll.
I doubt it....I was reading where Tommy Walsh was saying the training runs were brutal and he actually dropped a stone in weight. So if he is aerobically challenged by it coming of the back of an AI winning level of fitness and being a young buck then I would guess that Aussie rules is tougher.
Now, if Gaelic was professional and Gaelic players trained every day then , yeah, you might find Gaelic is slightly more aerobically challenging...but I'd say there'd be very little in it.
Look, there is no shame in conceding the fitness advantage...in fact, if its not an advantage then you have to judge the result on skill/ability alone which paints an even more embarrasing picture for us.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 25, 2010, 11:19:53 PM
I'd say there is a lot more rotation in the aussie rules game.
I'd also say the average GAA player covers a lot more ground than an aussie rules one.
Plus you run in short bursts to get the ball. Then you either mark or get nailed so you can't really run with it.
All those being said I think we'd be fitter cardio wise. It's the hits that take the toll.
Tommy we are miles off. Ive witnessed AFL pre-seasons first hand for 2 days when in Oz. You'd expect our lads to be miles off- they are amateurs after all.
They are THE best athletes in the world. I was shocked how good they were.
Sydney Swans pre-season consisted of boxing and upper body weights in the morning, followed by a kip then an animal run straight up hill\mountain. The feckin gradient was like something out of the Tour De France. Followed by a ball session in the evening. All to repeat the dose the following day and the day after that.
There is just no comparison. The games are longer then ours as well and the pitch is bigger. They are professional athletes. Our lads cardio ratings would be at least a level below. And I would wager they are between 2-3 levels below elite AFL Players. Our lads dont get rest periods and have to work for a living.
Why are we so anxious to be professional like? We are not professionals. There is no shame in being an amateur athlete.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 26, 2010, 12:24:13 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 25, 2010, 11:19:53 PM
I'd say there is a lot more rotation in the aussie rules game.
I'd also say the average GAA player covers a lot more ground than an aussie rules one.
Plus you run in short bursts to get the ball. Then you either mark or get nailed so you can't really run with it.
All those being said I think we'd be fitter cardio wise. It's the hits that take the toll.
Tommy we are miles off. Ive witnessed AFL pre-seasons first hand for 2 days when in Oz. You'd expect our lads to be miles off- they are amateurs after all.
They are THE best athletes in the world. I was shocked how good they were.
Sydney Swans pre-season consisted of boxing and upper body weights in the morning, followed by a kip then an animal run straight up hill\mountain. The feckin gradient was like something out of the Tour De France. Followed by a ball session in the evening. All to repeat the dose the following day and the day after that.
There is just no comparison. The games are longer then ours as well and the pitch is bigger. They are professional athletes. Our lads cardio ratings would be at least a level below. And I would wager they are between 2-3 levels below elite AFL Players. Our lads dont get rest periods and have to work for a living.
Why are we so anxious to be professional like? We are not professionals. There is no shame in being an amateur athlete.
Sounds like a standard pre season Indiana - in the early 1990's a mate of mine did a preseason with Fitzroy (now merged with Brisbane) - one of their sessions involved doing 100 100's (100 runs of 100 metres). Apparently it wasn't a leisurely jog - it was all on the clock (set rest times). I don't think AFL clubs do that sort of gut busting stuff anymore - now it is a little more scientific. The athletes are fitter now (apparently).
It is hard to line up fitness levels all the same. Different games and all that stuff. Some AFL clubs use GPS plotters on certain players during the game - some midfielders cover up to 20 kilometres a game most of it at a decent pace. The number of interchanges in AFL games is now up to 150 per game. AFL clubs have worked out how long each player can sustain hard running - they drag them off when they think they have hit the wall and give them a spell.
Aussie Rules players are the all round fittest athletes in the world in my opinion. I played a season of aussie rules for a club in perth and the running we had to do was unreal. The pitch is massive and the hits are brilliant but a shock to the system when you arent used to getting your arms pinned by your side and slammed to the ground. Also my first game was in 37 degrees heat :o I found Gaelic is definitely more skillful and a bit more sprinting involved but aussie rules is 10 times rougher and twice as much running involved.
A fella from the club played against Ireland the time Geraghty got sent home for racist comments and he was saying the thing he noticed about Gaelic footballers was that they were very quick off the mark and very sharpe at turning. He also said that when it came to the long running then the aussies blew them away as they are professional athletes. He did however say that it was obvious that the gaelic fellas were scared of them :'(
Quote from: JimStynes on October 26, 2010, 01:18:35 AM
Aussie Rules players are the all round fittest athletes in the world in my opinion.
I think that might be pushing it a little.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 25, 2010, 11:47:37 PM
I doubt it....I was reading where Tommy Walsh was saying the training runs were brutal and he actually dropped a stone in weight. So if he is aerobically challenged by it coming of the back of an AI winning level of fitness and being a young buck then I would guess that Aussie rules is tougher.
Now, if Gaelic was professional and Gaelic players trained every day then , yeah, you might find Gaelic is slightly more aerobically challenging...but I'd say there'd be very little in it.
Look, there is no shame in conceding the fitness advantage...in fact, if its not an advantage then you have to judge the result on skill/ability alone which paints an even more embarrasing picture for us.
I also recall Marty Clarke saying when he went undertook the pre-season training in Arizona that he was the quickest in the long distance time trials (can't remember if they were over 5 or 10k)
Quote from: Zapatista on October 26, 2010, 08:23:16 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 26, 2010, 01:18:35 AM
Aussie Rules players are the all round fittest athletes in the world in my opinion.
I think that might be pushing it a little.
I can't think of any other sport that has the all round fitness (strength, speed, stamina, agility etc) that is required for aussie rules.
Quote from: Zapatista on October 26, 2010, 08:23:16 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 26, 2010, 01:18:35 AM
Aussie Rules players are the all round fittest athletes in the world in my opinion.
I think that might be pushing it a little.
Probably the fittest of the various football codes played around the world. Plus it depends just on how you measure fitness (Beep tests etc).
while patriotically I wanted Ireland to win, I was impressed by the aussies.
Now that they have taken the cynical and dirty element out of their game, they can be appreciated for the great pro athletes and ball players that they are.
Certainly the Irish IR team as well as clubs and counties can all learn from this masterclass in football play.
The aussies in stark contrast to the Irish team, used their brains as well as physical abilities and this was the difference.
Not content just to win a mark, the aussie would be already looking for a team mate and team mates would already be making runs and had already lost their markers.
Conversely the Irish player would win his mark, trot back 10 yards with his back to the play and then after all the Irish players at this stage being marked and the Aussies getting back behind the ball, did the player attempt to hoof the ball up the field in hope or back to cluxton who started well but obv got tired from kicking the ball out way too much.
Football intelligence - thats what the aussies had, they use this all the time in their game and while some do it in gaelic football, it was obv that not too many of these were playing on sat night.
The Irish lads couldnt kick pass the ball or when under pressure they just hoofed it - usually straight to an aussie. Thats unforgivable in junior club football !
the Irish lads played as if they were afraid to get hit too. Once an opponent senses fear, you have no hope.
At least this time the Irish didnt start fighting to try and disguise their fear - which is what used to happen all too often.
The Irish lads kicking wides (behinds) was also a bit of a disgrace.
Only in the last 8 minutes when the Irish lads realised they were not tired and they were going to be humiliated if they kept that bad display up - did they cut loose, move the ball quickly, run at the aussies and pass the ball quickly - then the team had a whle different look.
Th Irish side can beat the aussies.
However I would like to take a lot from how the aussies play an dput it into any team I'd be associated with.Thats how to play team sports - esp the likes of Gaelic football and aussie rules.
Plenty to be learned and plenty to be admired.
The Aussie captain and two other forwards were exceptional (names escape me now).
I'd love to see them play gaelic fotball !
No point in giving out lads - if we lose its because we are not good enough. Thats no shame.
But to lose as we are afraid, being rubbish at the basic passing or kicking skills as well as playing unintelligent football - thats unforgivable and not going to inspire our underage ranks!
Quote from: HeaveHo on October 26, 2010, 10:11:27 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on October 26, 2010, 08:23:16 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 26, 2010, 01:18:35 AM
Aussie Rules players are the all round fittest athletes in the world in my opinion.
I think that might be pushing it a little.
Probably the fittest of the various football codes played around the world. Plus it depends just on how you measure fitness (Beep tests etc).
You could be right.
I'd say boxing at the top level is much more demanding on the body.
While cycling at the top would have better fitness levels (beeb tests etc).
Only guessing though.
Quoteunder pressure they just hoofed it - usually straight to an aussie. Thats unforgivable in junior club football
But perfectly acceptable in hurling ;)
Does anyone know how many all Australian allstars were on the ozzie team?
i think there were only 3 or 4 on it who are obviously the best at the AFL code
I thought the quality of kickpassing from the Aussies was unreal
Quote from: Zapatista on October 26, 2010, 12:44:21 PM
Quoteunder pressure they just hoofed it - usually straight to an aussie. Thats unforgivable in junior club football
But perfectly acceptable in hurling ;)
maybe in Tyrone club hurling, not anywhere else thats serious about winning !!
;)
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 26, 2010, 08:43:00 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 25, 2010, 11:47:37 PM
I doubt it....I was reading where Tommy Walsh was saying the training runs were brutal and he actually dropped a stone in weight. So if he is aerobically challenged by it coming of the back of an AI winning level of fitness and being a young buck then I would guess that Aussie rules is tougher.
Now, if Gaelic was professional and Gaelic players trained every day then , yeah, you might find Gaelic is slightly more aerobically challenging...but I'd say there'd be very little in it.
Look, there is no shame in conceding the fitness advantage...in fact, if its not an advantage then you have to judge the result on skill/ability alone which paints an even more embarrasing picture for us.
I also recall Marty Clarke saying when he went undertook the pre-season training in Arizona that he was the quickest in the long distance time trials (can't remember if they were over 5 or 10k)
Marty was a freak thought similar to Brendan Murphy who set new records at the Swans. They would be one in a millions rather then the norm.
Yeah but when Graham Geraghty was over with Arsenal.......
Quote from: Banana Man on October 26, 2010, 01:38:38 PM
Does anyone know how many all Australian allstars were on the ozzie team?
i think there were only 3 or 4 on it who are obviously the best at the AFL code
I thought the quality of kickpassing from the Aussies was unreal
Four - Frawley, Montagna, Reiwoldt and Swan.
In the good old days the All Australian team were automatic picks for the IR series if they wanted to participate -- not any more. They have left most of the big units at home. I would have liked to see how big Aaron Sandilands (All Australian ruckman) would have gone - Aaron is a 211 cms (a cigarette paper under 7') and 126 kgs and is surprising mobile and has a pretty good wind tank. He wouldn't be able to keep up with quick types playing but would have provided plenty of confusion in the goal mouth especially with the high balls coming in.
The Aussie team picked is far from the best team possible which also appears to be the case for the Irish team.
He's a big chap alright
(http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Aaron_Sandilands_and_Lance_Whitnall.jpg/150px-Aaron_Sandilands_and_Lance_Whitnall.jpg)
Surely though guys when you take the thuggery out of International Rules it's pretty much gaelic football minus most of the skills played longer?
The Australians kicked the ball much more intelligently than we did to our eternal shame but apart from that it was a case of running with no soloing...... badly executed soccer vollies (from us).... "marks" awarded for catches that would be average in gaelic football..... lateral (and often reverse) hand passes.... atrocious shooting from both sides (with us worse than them)..... tackling that is more grappling and never involves knocking the ball out of an opponents hands...One well taken goal from Bernard Brogan that if scored in our own game the defence would have been lynched for opening up the space to let him drive in and take the shot which a good keeper may have stopped.
Everyone in the media moaned about the poor quality but it reality (played by the rules) that's the best this code has to offer. The only interest/excitement comes from the scraps if people are being honest. But if thats what has to reappear in order to jazz it up then it should be dispensed with. More time and marketing should go in to our club finals etc at this time of year.
Have bought tickets for Saturday, but not looking forward to it one bit.
Ireland looked scared to go for the ball in case of getting tackled; Cluxton proved that you can dummy these players and not have to take the tackle.
Also never seen as many egos on an Ireland team - going for points from ridiculous distances for their own gain.
Bernard Brogan looked completely hacked off at the end, and I would say that was down to lack of ball given up to him.
Expect to see a much improved performance from Ireland and a lot more commitment. Players will react to the criticism. There have been plenty of good games over the years in international rules, people are very quick to stick the boot into it.
The gaa haven't done much to market it this time round,very poor. This is the first gaa event under lights in Croke Park since January 2009, surely they could do a bit more to promote it.
Jayz I'm sick listening to it advertised on radio and tv.
The TG4 ad is funny. I thought it was a pisstake by Mario when I heard it first, "a game so exclusive, its only played twice every two years" or something like that.
benny is fit for sat night, he'll make a hell of difference. young murphy was like gooch a rabbit caught in the headlights. one thing about coulter hes got balls and stevie loves playing along side him. i'd have liked to see paddy bradley throw his hand in our forwards were fairly anon the last game
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 27, 2010, 02:07:39 PM
He's a big chap alright
(http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Aaron_Sandilands_and_Lance_Whitnall.jpg/150px-Aaron_Sandilands_and_Lance_Whitnall.jpg)
Yep - the Carlton player standing next to in is Lance Withnall who was 6'3" or so. That is an old picture (Lance hasn't played for 3-4 years now) - Aaron has beefed up a little since then.
Im really looking forward to the 2nd test, the only reason being that Im expecting a far better approach form Ireland. Im praying they will be more direct. The one time they showed a bit, they scored a great goal. They should forget about using the mark sometimes, get some good off the shoulder running going, because we know when they get in that kind of position, players like Brogan are great finishers. That keeper Fletcher, who I really dont like from a few years ago, will never reach a ball thats in the corners. Benny would be a brilliant player for what Im talking about too, his direct play, the man gets it in his head hes goin for goal, and usually gets it.
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on October 27, 2010, 05:03:49 PM
Have bought tickets for Saturday, but not looking forward to it one bit.
Ireland looked scared to go for the ball in case of getting tackled; Cluxton proved that you can dummy these players and not have to take the tackle.
Also never seen as many egos on an Ireland team - going for points from ridiculous distances for their own gain.
Bernard Brogan looked completely hacked off at the end, and I would say that was down to lack of ball given up to him.
Would it not be worth a shot from far out? It's harder to work the ball in close, especially in the first game. Best game for long range points I saw this year was Sligo vs. Roscommon I think, some great score in that game, none of these lads featuring?
its harder to score long range points this time of year when its a little colder and wetter/damper - esp later at nigh.
Ireland have to be smarter and get the ball closer into goal areas in order to score.
taking silly shots from silly angles and too far out was plain stupid football!
Any long kicking will invariably favour the stronger aussies who will outmuscle the Irish -esp as they are all faster slightly smaller lads in this years touring team and I am impressed with them.
Diagonal ball to men crossing or coming out that little bit earlier to half forward line to either take marks but to quickly move the ball on to runners on their shoulder is what is needed.
Also men have to filter back as the runners come forward - to me it was noticible how many unmarked aussies were left free to kick the ball upfield and score after an Irish attack broke down yet again...
Quote from: ross matt on October 27, 2010, 03:17:46 PM
Surely though guys when you take the thuggery out of International Rules it's pretty much gaelic football minus most of the skills played longer?
The Australians kicked the ball much more intelligently than we did to our eternal shame but apart from that it was a case of running with no soloing...... badly executed soccer vollies (from us).... "marks" awarded for catches that would be average in gaelic football..... lateral (and often reverse) hand passes.... atrocious shooting from both sides (with us worse than them)..... tackling that is more grappling and never involves knocking the ball out of an opponents hands...One well taken goal from Bernard Brogan that if scored in our own game the defence would have been lynched for opening up the space to let him drive in and take the shot which a good keeper may have stopped.
Everyone in the media moaned about the poor quality but it reality (played by the rules) that's the best this code has to offer. The only interest/excitement comes from the scraps if people are being honest. But if thats what has to reappear in order to jazz it up then it should be dispensed with. More time and marketing should go in to our club finals etc at this time of year.
How often do you think the ball is knocked out of the hands in Gaelic football and people aren't just dragged back etc....The idea is to get people to move the ball quickly instead of running into people. If B Brogan had run through like that in Gaelic he would in 9 games out of 10 been dragged down.
Shocking as it may seem if players were actually able to kick accurately and quickly it could be a better game than Gaelic Football due to the fact that there is a defined and proper tackle.
Granted the game wasn't spectacular but christ almighty, reading the whinging in the papers(and here too) is harder to bear.
Quote from: thejuice on October 29, 2010, 11:01:54 AM
Granted the game wasn't spectacular but christ almighty, reading the whinging in the papers(and here too) is harder to bear.
It would do your f**king nut in! Did you read Seamus leonards comments on the rte website. He is now upset that the games have no physicality. ffs sure he was one of the advocates to clean the game up and try and remove the fighting from it.
People are just realising now that the game offers nothing other than a good brawl and it never will offer you anything more than that.
Even the moments of skill or genius in it (Brogan's goal) are run down on here and else where because "you wouldn't have done it in GAA". If thats the attitude people are going to take to it, then why continue. No-one on here can find one redeemable feature about it. When it was all rough housing and fist fighting we gave out. Now that its all tiddlywinks and daisy chains we are still giving out. I was sitting on the fence before this series but now I'm of the opinion to just let it die, im sick of all this negative shite.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on October 29, 2010, 10:07:14 AM
Quote from: ross matt on October 27, 2010, 03:17:46 PM
Surely though guys when you take the thuggery out of International Rules it's pretty much gaelic football minus most of the skills played longer?
The Australians kicked the ball much more intelligently than we did to our eternal shame but apart from that it was a case of running with no soloing...... badly executed soccer vollies (from us).... "marks" awarded for catches that would be average in gaelic football..... lateral (and often reverse) hand passes.... atrocious shooting from both sides (with us worse than them)..... tackling that is more grappling and never involves knocking the ball out of an opponents hands...One well taken goal from Bernard Brogan that if scored in our own game the defence would have been lynched for opening up the space to let him drive in and take the shot which a good keeper may have stopped.
Everyone in the media moaned about the poor quality but it reality (played by the rules) that's the best this code has to offer. The only interest/excitement comes from the scraps if people are being honest. But if thats what has to reappear in order to jazz it up then it should be dispensed with. More time and marketing should go in to our club finals etc at this time of year.
How often do you think the ball is knocked out of the hands in Gaelic football and people aren't just dragged back etc....The idea is to get people to move the ball quickly instead of running into people. If B Brogan had run through like that in Gaelic he would in 9 games out of 10 been dragged down.
Shocking as it may seem if players were actually able to kick accurately and quickly it could be a better game than Gaelic Football due to the fact that there is a defined and proper tackle.
How would he have been dragged down in gaelic football?
Sure no one was close enough to put in a tackle.
As for the last bit, the mind actually boggles.
Quote from: trileacman on October 29, 2010, 11:35:06 AM
People are just realising now that the game offers nothing other than a good brawl and it never will offer you anything more than that.
When it was all rough housing and fist fighting we gave out. Now that its all tiddlywinks and daisy chains we are still giving out.
In fairness that's a very simplistic interpretation. I won't lose any sleep if the series dies either but to say people bemoaning the lack of physicality are, in effect, advocating a return to brawling is well wide of the mark.
You can have physical sporting encounters in plenty of sports without it degenerating into fighting. I think it's the fact that Ireland v Australia games have necome
so neutered and asinine that has people complaining. It's like watching a half-paced exhibition match or something, if it had the intensity of an intercounty game then even withhout the fighting I think people would warm to it more.
But they threw the baby out with the bath water in that regard when all the furore kicked off about the fighting a few years ago. Whatever attractions the game had then, short of brawling, are now gone. And besides all that, we'd be relying on the Aussies to stand off a fair bit so our lads wouldn't get mashed in even legitimate tackles - the physical difference between both sets of players is too pronounced now.
So I'd expect a brief lifespan for the series beyond here especially if the crowds stay away at the weekend.
Anyone know of any bars in Berlin with tg4 that are showing international rules on Saturday night
Quote from: robertemmet on October 29, 2010, 05:42:09 PM
Anyone know of any bars in Berlin with tg4 that are showing international rules on Saturday night
theres an irish bar called the harp, not sure if it will be showing the game though
The ludicrous ineternational/compromise rules 2-team experiment will continue for two reasons:
(1) the junkets to Aussie with huge GAA personnel in suits who "have to go" to check out facilities etc, months before the tour itself (is anybody aware of this?) and then accompany the team a few months later on the tour (hard work these fully paid holidays) , and
(2) the players who understandably love the idea on the one hand of a trip down under (all expenses paid) and on the other hand like to have a so-called international jersey on the wall at home.
It is a total farce and a serious dredge of much need GAA promtional funds.
Time to get wise.
It's actually hilarious how little coverage it's getting here. Nobody gives a flying fcuk about it. It has to be scrapped soon.
The crowd tonight will be bigger than the vast majority of gaa matches played this year so their must be some interest in it. At a time of year when gaa players are usually out of the limelight its good to get a bit of coverage. Hopefully it will be a much improved game tonight. Some people probably won't admit it even if it is.
Quote from: Leo on October 30, 2010, 12:20:59 AM
The ludicrous ineternational/compromise rules 2-team experiment will continue for two reasons:
(1) the junkets to Aussie with huge GAA personnel in suits who "have to go" to check out facilities etc, months before the tour itself (is anybody aware of this?) and then accompany the team a few months later on the tour (hard work these fully paid holidays) , and
(2) the players who understandably love the idea on the one hand of a trip down under (all expenses paid) and on the other hand like to have a so-called international jersey on the wall at home.
It is a total farce and a serious dredge of much need GAA promtional funds.Time to get wise.
Given that the competition has its own sponsorship, it would be interesting to know just how much of a dredge this actually is. It may well be 'cost neutral'.
Quote from: Leo on October 30, 2010, 12:20:59 AM
The ludicrous ineternational/compromise rules 2-team experiment will continue for two reasons:
(1) the junkets to Aussie with huge GAA personnel in suits who "have to go" to check out facilities etc, months before the tour itself (is anybody aware of this?) and then accompany the team a few months later on the tour (hard work these fully paid holidays) , and
(2) the players who understandably love the idea on the one hand of a trip down under (all expenses paid) and on the other hand like to have a so-called international jersey on the wall at home.
It is a total farce and a serious dredge of much need GAA promtional funds.
Time to get wise.
i wouldn't have thought that it impacted in gaa funds other than to increase them? I don't understand the vitriol from so many of you towards this, as others have said, ignore it if you're not interested in it.
As for the lads posting about how the series show up the gaa lack of skills and how amateurs can't compete with pros etc, the overall tally after 33 tests is 16 Ireland 15 Aus and 2 draws with an aggregrate of approx 20 points in it to aus after all that.
Hopefully tonights game will be better fare than was on offer last week and the irish try and play their own game a little more.
Quote from: Bogball XV on October 30, 2010, 02:18:41 PM
I don't understand the vitriol from so many of you towards this, as others have said, ignore it if you're not interested in it.
Ahh you see Micky "mouth off " Harte doesnt like it so a lot of the "Bies" have to follow like sheep.
I'm off shortly for Croker no matter what the purity police think.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 30, 2010, 09:39:00 AM
The crowd tonight will be bigger than the vast majority of gaa matches played this year so their must be some interest in it. At a time of year when gaa players are usually out of the limelight its good to get a bit of coverage. Hopefully it will be a much improved game tonight. Some people probably won't admit it even if it is.
Well that's the beauty of International 'competition'.
No neutrals.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 30, 2010, 09:39:00 AM
The crowd tonight will be bigger than the vast majority of gaa matches played this year so their must be some interest in it. At a time of year when gaa players are usually out of the limelight its good to get a bit of coverage. Hopefully it will be a much improved game tonight. Some people probably won't admit it even if it is.
The crowd tonight will be packed with about 40,000 screaming kids as the GAA poured all the tickets into schools to bump up attendance and justify this nonsense. Listen tonite and you will hear it.
Bloody kids eh ?
Keep the likes of them away from Croke Park .
Purists only ,bring back the ban, rule 21, rule 42 etc etc yawnnnnnn :(
Did someone say this is being shown on Eurosport?
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 02:43:33 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 30, 2010, 09:39:00 AM
The crowd tonight will be bigger than the vast majority of gaa matches played this year so their must be some interest in it. At a time of year when gaa players are usually out of the limelight its good to get a bit of coverage. Hopefully it will be a much improved game tonight. Some people probably won't admit it even if it is.
Well that's the beauty of International 'competition'.
No neutrals.
Indeed. You'd fill Croke Park for monster trucks or wrestling, especially if you billed it as Ireland against some other country. Feck it they even filled the place for Garth Brooks. So, yes, the size of the crowd does indicate the level of interest. But it doesn't say anything about the merit of what they're watching or whether it's the job of the GAA to be acting as a marketing front for an Australian sports-entertainment company.
But I could be wrong, so anyone who wants to present the case for the merits of Garth Brooks, or the case that the more people want to see something, the better it is by definition, fire ahead.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 30, 2010, 03:34:20 PM
Bloody kids eh ?
Keep the likes of them away from Croke Park .
Purists only ,bring back the ban, rule 21, rule 42 etc etc yawnnnnnn :(
What I'm saying is it's rent a crowd to justify it. No-one mentioned bringing back the ban or Rule 21 or 42... just saying this game is a contrived heap of dung.
Just listen to the cheering when Ireland kick a behind (also known as a wide).
Quote from: hardstation on October 30, 2010, 04:34:52 PM
Last week Tohill had them playing soccer. Hurling this week.
The Hurling/Shinty combo is actually on before it.
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 30, 2010, 05:58:24 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 30, 2010, 04:34:52 PM
Last week Tohill had them playing soccer. Hurling this week.
The Hurling/Shinty combo is actually on before it.
On live now actually.
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 30, 2010, 05:58:24 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 30, 2010, 04:34:52 PM
Last week Tohill had them playing soccer. Hurling this week.
The Hurling/Shinty combo is actually on before it.
And very enjoyable it was too.
Tough, skilful and played in a great spirit.
Are TG4 blocking coverage of the Aussie game to Britain. Or is there a terribly long ad break on right now??
It's on 433 on sky
Does anyone have a stream for this caper?
Why have they deliberately marked the pitch smaller?
They did it in Limerick too.
How is this supposed to help Ireland?
Why is that fella that couldn't get a game for Tyrone in the studio?
Quote from: Trout on October 30, 2010, 06:56:11 PM
Why is that fella that couldn't get a game for Tyrone in the studio?
Cormac McAnallen's best friend and he can speak Oirish !!!
There is some amount for the cynics to attack tonight between the hybrid game and the efforts of promoting a dying language on TG4! Feck it, I think it could be a decent spectacle tonight. With a bit of edge to it for a change.
Marginally better than last week? The soccer is gone.
Ireland still struggling to do the best thing with possession when it doesn't arrive to them via a mark. To ponderous in possession too.
Does anyone know the rules to this thing? :D
Ireland getting eaten up in the tackle when they try to win loose possession. Aussies 8 points up on the night
Checking the right number of players are on the field.
Seems to be a good crowd there
McDonnell is solid useless.
We need Joe Sheridan.
Missed the start of the game?Have any goals been scored?Backed benny!By the looks of it one of their boys scored a goal or 2!
Quote from: beer baron on October 30, 2010, 07:37:06 PM
Missed the start of the game?Have any goals been scored?Backed benny!By the looks of it one of their boys scored a goal or 2!
No goals and Benny is moving well!
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on October 30, 2010, 07:39:33 PM
Quote from: beer baron on October 30, 2010, 07:37:06 PM
Missed the start of the game?Have any goals been scored?Backed benny!By the looks of it one of their boys scored a goal or 2!
No goals and Benny is moving well!
Cheers yeah he'ss looking dangerous,13/2 not a bad price.Had vidic in the foreign sport so my lucks in!
At least the Irish numbers are more legible tonight
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Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on October 30, 2010, 07:39:33 PM
Quote from: beer baron on October 30, 2010, 07:37:06 PM
Missed the start of the game?Have any goals been scored?Backed benny!By the looks of it one of their boys scored a goal or 2!
No goals and Benny is moving well!
Cheers yeah he'ss looking dangerous,13/2 not a bad price.Had vidic in the foreign sport so my lucks in!
f**k ya, trying to avoid news from that game so I can watch the highlights! Just got a message on Facebook about a Nani goal too. No one to blame but myself!
embarrassing
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Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on October 30, 2010, 07:39:33 PM
Quote from: beer baron on October 30, 2010, 07:37:06 PM
Missed the start of the game?Have any goals been scored?Backed benny!By the looks of it one of their boys scored a goal or 2!
No goals and Benny is moving well!
My apologies good sir :D
Cheers yeah he'ss looking dangerous,13/2 not a bad price.Had vidic in the foreign sport so my lucks in!
f**k ya, trying to avoid news from that game so I can watch the highlights! Just got a message on Facebook about a Nani goal too. No one to blame but myself!
will have to settle for the Notre Dame Irish game as I cant watch it here. At least I got to see the Shinty.
ND Irish are losing too :(
only thing to salvage this shambles is an early 2nd half goal!!!
Only saw the second quarter, Ireland still doing dumb things - take two steps, hop it, another two steps then trying a solo?? Don't get that at all...
Ozzie ref doesn't seem to be doing us any favours..
by the way, TG4 are doing their best to increase the drama with their music!! ;D
What's with all the balls played into the corner?
Stick Walsh or Brendan Murphy in closer to goals and fire a few balls into them.
I wonder what Anthonys game plan was going into this game, its hard to watch at the minute.
Quote from: Celt_Man on October 30, 2010, 07:52:35 PM
Only saw the second quarter, Ireland still doing dumb things - take two steps, hop it, another two steps then trying a solo?? Don't get that at all...
Ozzie ref doesn't seem to be doing us any favours..
by the way, TG4 are doing their best to increase the drama with their music!! ;D
Hard to override your natural instinct with a few days of training.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 07:55:36 PM
Quote from: Celt_Man on October 30, 2010, 07:52:35 PM
Only saw the second quarter, Ireland still doing dumb things - take two steps, hop it, another two steps then trying a solo?? Don't get that at all...
Ozzie ref doesn't seem to be doing us any favours..
by the way, TG4 are doing their best to increase the drama with their music!! ;D
Hard to override your natural instinct with a few days of training.
Shouldn't be your natural instinct to overplay the ball like that anyway
Its also a natural instinct to kick the ball to one of your own team.
Quote from: Sandino on October 30, 2010, 07:57:55 PM
Its also a natural instinct to kick the ball to one of your own team.
our lads are so bad they cant handpass. kicking is a luxury
Quote from: Sandino on October 30, 2010, 07:57:55 PM
Its also a natural instinct to kick the ball to one of your own team.
Indiana is right. Most of our lads instinct is to handpass, not kick. Still can't do that they are so bad with the wing mirrors. Great kick by B Murphy there but
Quote from: mattockranger on October 30, 2010, 07:51:06 PM
only thing to salvage this shambles is an early 2nd half goal!!!
Or two three pointers. I never get this talk about goals when two of our normal points is a goal in this game.
Quote from: thebuzz on October 30, 2010, 08:01:33 PM
Quote from: mattockranger on October 30, 2010, 07:51:06 PM
only thing to salvage this shambles is an early 2nd half goal!!!
Or two three pointers. I never get this talk about goals when two of our normal points is a goal in this game.
Not a bad point you make but when have Ireland looked like kicking two normal points in a row? They might at least look angry with how shite they're playing instead of the pedestrian movement of them.
And to prove me wrong, we just kick two in a row ::)
Quote from: CompulsoryTillager on October 30, 2010, 07:45:16 PM
At least the Irish numbers are more legible tonight
Though Kennelly has changed his jersey at half-time to the one worn last week, with "gold" (ie yellow) numbers
Wing Mirrors? Some of them seem to be wearing stab vests they are so scared!
The big ginger nut is causing some bother.
Banfield. unchallenged.
A very succinct description of things in Darragh O Se's column in the IT last Wednesday
"It looked as if the AFL and the GAA had paid a visit to management and referees and said "one drop of blood and the entire thing would be shelved". They were like kids in a schoolyard told there would be no half day tomorrow if anybody was caught messing."
He soccered it. ;D
Goal. That might stir things.
A soccer goal?
wat a load of piss
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on October 30, 2010, 08:12:53 PM
A very succinct description of things in Darragh O Se's column in the IT last Wednesday
"It looked as if the AFL and the GAA had paid a visit to management and referees and said "one drop of blood and the entire thing would be shelved". They were like kids in a schoolyard told there would be no half day tomorrow if anybody was caught messing."
Its also as if we annoy them by scoring they go mad and score at will.
puts an end to the idea that the modern day player is more skilled.
Ach sure Malthouse said in 2008 he had to get his players to repell their normal strong tackling instincts to make sure the future of the series continued. Its the same here. If they launch a comeback, step it up a gear. That's what the Aussies are doing. Playing so much inside themselves.
Some lack of basic skills of kicking on the irish team - some of it is brutal. Cluxton must have given away 9 pts there in the 3rd quarter with bad kicks. Very poor indeed from Ireland.
Quote from: hardstation on October 30, 2010, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:18:16 PM
puts an end to the idea that the modern day player is more skilled.
How?
Simply because our kicking is shocking. the aussies have kicked points tonight our lads can only dream about
Brutal stuff
Stephen Cluxtons kicking is brutal,hes killing Ireland
Graham Canty,Finian Hanley are getting the run around.
Paddy Keenan has lost every ball hes touched
Tommy Walsh is messing everything he gets,just take him off and put him on the bench,i love how he pulled out of that high catch against a much smaller man ;)
at least Kevin McKiernan,Benny,Marty Clarke, Ciaran McKeever,Kennelly Colm Begley and Stevie Mac are giving it a go.
Brendan Murphy is doing well also.
they gave Ox about 10 points in a row in that quarter by playing it short from the keeper, wasn't working at all. They were doing OK from the 50/50 ball to midfield
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:21:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 30, 2010, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:18:16 PM
puts an end to the idea that the modern day player is more skilled.
How?
Simply because our kicking is shocking. the aussies have kicked points tonight our lads can only dream about
That's a woeful exaggeration Indiana. McKernan has kicked the score of the game. Aussies are being praised because we don't expect them to be able to kick a round ball at all. Most of their points are in the easy scoring zone. Skills is another matter though in fairness.
Close game now :o
Could be a tight finish for tonight's game but we won't get close to bridging the seven points for the series. Cavanagh finally stirring himself.
The Irish finishing stronger in both games! i thought the aussies were fitter?
Why does he wear them big goalie gloves anyway?
All bets are off. Ireland have a right chance here. Aussies looking rightly rattled too. Coulter is the man!
10mins left all to play for
There's a kick the Aussies couldn't put over! Good man Murphy
Mother of jesus,Michael Murphy ,what a score!!!
Get Canty off!
Where has murphy been all game???
10 times better than the last game
HS your passion is so overwhelming :D
QuoteGet Canty off!
His block was useful though, they got nothing from the 45.
Has stevie scored a goal yet?
Why has Hanley been left on Goodes?
Decent finish in fairness
Cluxton again FFS >:(
That must be about the 10th f**kin time his kickouts have backfired.
Over & out
This won't be won without a goal
I thought we would win at least one of the games but Hard luck good effort from the Irish.
Not a bad second day out but still a bit of a bastardized child though.
Cluxton cost Ireland that game. And Canty to a lesser extent. Why neither of them we're subbed...
Not that anyone will be too disappointed!
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on October 30, 2010, 08:27:45 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:21:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 30, 2010, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:18:16 PM
puts an end to the idea that the modern day player is more skilled.
How?
Simply because our kicking is shocking. the aussies have kicked points tonight our lads can only dream about
That's a woeful exaggeration Indiana. McKernan has kicked the score of the game. Aussies are being praised because we don't expect them to be able to kick a round ball at all. Most of their points are in the easy scoring zone. Skills is another matter though in fairness.
Our lads have missed points in the easy scoring zone.
Much better final quarter. But to not win either game is poor in my view
They gave it a decent rattle but Cluxton fucked it up with his shite kicks. Why dies he insist on kicking it of the ground, if he kicked it quick from his hands he'd have more chance of seeing an unmarked team mate. At least Ireland forgot about the slow game and grew some balls and ran with it even when they had marked. Ireland have to run the ball at every opportunity to win this game.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:21:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 30, 2010, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:18:16 PM
puts an end to the idea that the modern day player is more skilled.
How?
Simply because our kicking is shocking. the aussies have kicked points tonight our lads can only dream about
Do you want me to throw up a few you-tube vids of some of the fantastic points that were kicked in this years championship?
You do remember gaelic football don't you?
It's the game these lads actually play.
Ran out of time in the end...
Is that Hector shite-ing on in the background?
Why is Christy Cooney hoarse? Was he shouting more for Ireland in this game than he was for Cork in the All-Ireland final?
"Tá an-áthas orm an corn seo a ghlacadh"
Aussies Rule.
Way too many nordies on that team.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 08:48:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:21:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 30, 2010, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:18:16 PM
puts an end to the idea that the modern day player is more skilled.
How?
Simply because our kicking is shocking. the aussies have kicked points tonight our lads can only dream about
Do you want me to throw up a few you-tube vids of some of the fantastic points that were kicked in this years championship?
You do remember gaelic football don't you?
It's the game these lads actually play.
I do and when a team of athletes win the all-ireland Im not afraid to say gaelic football is in a crisis . I will put up the stats from the dublin v cork game if you like. Makes alarming reading.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 08:51:57 PM
Way too many nordies on that team.
Although it wasn't the nordies that lost it for them.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:53:51 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 08:48:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:21:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 30, 2010, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:18:16 PM
puts an end to the idea that the modern day player is more skilled.
How?
Simply because our kicking is shocking. the aussies have kicked points tonight our lads can only dream about
Do you want me to throw up a few you-tube vids of some of the fantastic points that were kicked in this years championship?
You do remember gaelic football don't you?
It's the game these lads actually play.
I do and when a team of athletes win the all-ireland Im not afraid to say gaelic football is in a crisis . I will put up the stats from the dublin v cork game if you like. Makes alarming reading.
Go on so.
Only saw the 2nd half of the 2nd test, think I got the best of it.
Think Ireland tried to be too deliberate, when they sped it up it worked better.
Glad to see the Aussies wearing the Irish shirts the right way out. I think it's disrespectful to turn a shirt inside out.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 08:51:57 PM
Way too many nordies on that team.
Nice bit of fishing,but il bite
Those 5/6 players who cost Ireland,none of them were nordies.
Its a Fuckin CRISIS Lads. Can ye not see that. We lost the IR Series. We need a fuckin investigation, a fuckin' massive CRISIS. Don't try and play this down. If we dont sort this out the GAA will be fucked. fucked with a capital F.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 08:54:41 PM
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Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 08:48:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:21:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 30, 2010, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:18:16 PM
puts an end to the idea that the modern day player is more skilled.
How?
Simply because our kicking is shocking. the aussies have kicked points tonight our lads can only dream about
Do you want me to throw up a few you-tube vids of some of the fantastic points that were kicked in this years championship?
You do remember gaelic football don't you?
It's the game these lads actually play.
I do and when a team of athletes win the all-ireland Im not afraid to say gaelic football is in a crisis . I will put up the stats from the dublin v cork game if you like. Makes alarming reading.
Go on so.
cork 145 handpasses
dublin 59
And some clowns here think the game is in rude health :D
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on October 30, 2010, 08:58:33 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 08:51:57 PM
Way too many nordies on that team.
Nice bit of fishing,but il bite
Those 5/6 players who cost Ireland,none of them were nordies.
McDonnell and Cavanagh were the most wasteful players on the Irish side.
Canty ran them close in fairness.
As did Cluxton.
Big Joe was made for this game.
It's all politics.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 09:00:07 PM
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Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:53:51 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 08:48:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:21:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 30, 2010, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:18:16 PM
puts an end to the idea that the modern day player is more skilled.
How?
Simply because our kicking is shocking. the aussies have kicked points tonight our lads can only dream about
Do you want me to throw up a few you-tube vids of some of the fantastic points that were kicked in this years championship?
You do remember gaelic football don't you?
It's the game these lads actually play.
I do and when a team of athletes win the all-ireland Im not afraid to say gaelic football is in a crisis . I will put up the stats from the dublin v cork game if you like. Makes alarming reading.
Go on so.
cork 145 handpasses
dublin 59
And some clowns here think the game is in rude health :D
And yet Dublin should have won that game.
Not sure what your point is.
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on October 30, 2010, 08:58:33 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 08:51:57 PM
Way too many nordies on that team.
Nice bit of fishing,but il bite
Those 5/6 players who cost Ireland,none of them were nordies.
Thanks be to God for the Ulster men there tonight or it would have been a slaughtering match
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 09:02:06 PM
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Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:53:51 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 08:48:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:21:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 30, 2010, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:18:16 PM
puts an end to the idea that the modern day player is more skilled.
How?
Simply because our kicking is shocking. the aussies have kicked points tonight our lads can only dream about
Do you want me to throw up a few you-tube vids of some of the fantastic points that were kicked in this years championship?
You do remember gaelic football don't you?
It's the game these lads actually play.
I do and when a team of athletes win the all-ireland Im not afraid to say gaelic football is in a crisis . I will put up the stats from the dublin v cork game if you like. Makes alarming reading.
Go on so.
cork 145 handpasses
dublin 59
And some clowns here think the game is in rude health :D
And yet Dublin should have won that game.
Not sure what your point is.
the point is simple. a team handpassed their way to win an all-ireland. It pays to handpass. It doesnt to kick-pass. I could put up further stats on Cork if you like from other games.
That is why players who played with a round ball for 2 weeks are more competent at kicking then us. And people claim this was a good year for gaelic football. Strewth.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 09:00:49 PM
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Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 08:51:57 PM
Way too many nordies on that team.
Nice bit of fishing,but il bite
Those 5/6 players who cost Ireland,none of them were nordies.
McDonnell and Cavanagh were the most wasteful players on the Irish side.
Canty ran them close in fairness.
As did Cluxton.
Big Joe was made for this game.
It's all politics.
Cluxton was a disaster
Finian Hanley was destroyed by Goades
Canty messed everything.
Paddy Keenan lost every ball he got
Tommy Walsh was hopeless,and his kicking was junior club standard
Sean Cavanagh wasnt involved much,but he still contributed more than the above as did Stevie Mac
Joe Sheridan??? Are you serious?
far too slow,He wouldnt be able to create space from the far more athletic Aussie Rules players,hed be wrestled to the ground before he would even get a step away.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 09:00:49 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on October 30, 2010, 08:58:33 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 08:51:57 PM
Way too many nordies on that team.
Nice bit of fishing,but il bite
Those 5/6 players who cost Ireland,none of them were nordies.
McDonnell and Cavanagh were the most wasteful players on the Irish side.
Canty ran them close in fairness.
As did Cluxton.
Big Joe was made for this game.
It's all politics.
Big Joe Kernan may be big enough for this hybrid game but I am not sure he would have the pace or fitness.
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on October 30, 2010, 09:07:01 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 09:00:49 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on October 30, 2010, 08:58:33 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 08:51:57 PM
Way too many nordies on that team.
Nice bit of fishing,but il bite
Those 5/6 players who cost Ireland,none of them were nordies.
McDonnell and Cavanagh were the most wasteful players on the Irish side.
Canty ran them close in fairness.
As did Cluxton.
Big Joe was made for this game.
It's all politics.
Cluxton was a disaster
Finian Hanley was destroyed by Goades
Canty messed everything.
Paddy Keenan lost every ball he got
Tommy Walsh was hopeless,and his kicking was junior club standard
Sean Cavanagh wasnt involved much,but he still contributed more than the above as did Stevie Mac
Joe Sheridan??? Are you serious?
far too slow,He wouldnt be able to create space from the far more athletic Aussie Rules players,hed be wrestled to the ground before he would even get a step away.
That's crazy talk.
Legs like tree trunks.
pathetic...
this is a waste of time. As a mechanism for bringing our games worldwide, I can't think of a worse way to do so.
Still, it's always nice to see how the GPA's poster boy would perform in a professional arena. Only slightly worse than his team mates who hold that privilege and still feel they represent an amateur organisation.
Regards
Mickey
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puts an end to the idea that the modern day player is more skilled.
How?
Simply because our kicking is shocking. the aussies have kicked points tonight our lads can only dream about
Do you want me to throw up a few you-tube vids of some of the fantastic points that were kicked in this years championship?
You do remember gaelic football don't you?
It's the game these lads actually play.
I do and when a team of athletes win the all-ireland Im not afraid to say gaelic football is in a crisis . I will put up the stats from the dublin v cork game if you like. Makes alarming reading.
Go on so.
cork 145 handpasses
dublin 59
And some clowns here think the game is in rude health :D
And yet Dublin should have won that game.
Not sure what your point is.
the point is simple. a team handpassed their way to win an all-ireland. It pays to handpass. It doesnt to kick-pass. I could put up further stats on Cork if you like from other games.
That is why players who played with a round ball for 2 weeks are more competent at kicking then us. And people claim this was a good year for gaelic football. Strewth.
Take a break for the winter Indy.
All this doom & gloom is not good for the soul.
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Way too many nordies on that team.
Nice bit of fishing,but il bite
Those 5/6 players who cost Ireland,none of them were nordies.
McDonnell and Cavanagh were the most wasteful players on the Irish side.
Canty ran them close in fairness.
As did Cluxton.
Big Joe was made for this game.
It's all politics.
Cluxton was a disaster
Finian Hanley was destroyed by Goades
Canty messed everything.
Paddy Keenan lost every ball he got
Tommy Walsh was hopeless,and his kicking was junior club standard
Sean Cavanagh wasnt involved much,but he still contributed more than the above as did Stevie Mac
Joe Sheridan??? Are you serious?
far too slow,He wouldnt be able to create space from the far more athletic Aussie Rules players,hed be wrestled to the ground before he would even get a step away.
That's crazy talk.
Legs like tree trunks.
Those Aussie Lads who can bench press about 150/160 KG and Squat over 200 KG would be very afraid of Big Joe's leg strength :D
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Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:18:16 PM
puts an end to the idea that the modern day player is more skilled.
How?
Simply because our kicking is shocking. the aussies have kicked points tonight our lads can only dream about
Do you want me to throw up a few you-tube vids of some of the fantastic points that were kicked in this years championship?
You do remember gaelic football don't you?
It's the game these lads actually play.
I do and when a team of athletes win the all-ireland Im not afraid to say gaelic football is in a crisis . I will put up the stats from the dublin v cork game if you like. Makes alarming reading.
Go on so.
cork 145 handpasses
dublin 59
And some clowns here think the game is in rude health :D
And yet Dublin should have won that game.
Not sure what your point is.
the point is simple. a team handpassed their way to win an all-ireland. It pays to handpass. It doesnt to kick-pass. I could put up further stats on Cork if you like from other games.
That is why players who played with a round ball for 2 weeks are more competent at kicking then us. And people claim this was a good year for gaelic football. Strewth.
Take a break for the winter Indy.
All this doom & gloom is not good for the soul.
A simple rule change is required to give the game back its soul. And re-instate Gaelic FOOTBALL not Handball. The last 2 weeks will be good to give everyone a good kick up the arse and kickstart a revival of the traditional values of the game.
The Rule in the IR series regarding (what is it a maximum of 4 hand passes in a row??? )
should be tried in the Provincial pre-season competitions and the National League.
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Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:18:16 PM
puts an end to the idea that the modern day player is more skilled.
How?
Simply because our kicking is shocking. the aussies have kicked points tonight our lads can only dream about
Do you want me to throw up a few you-tube vids of some of the fantastic points that were kicked in this years championship?
You do remember gaelic football don't you?
It's the game these lads actually play.
I do and when a team of athletes win the all-ireland Im not afraid to say gaelic football is in a crisis . I will put up the stats from the dublin v cork game if you like. Makes alarming reading.
Go on so.
cork 145 handpasses
dublin 59
And some clowns here think the game is in rude health :D
And yet Dublin should have won that game.
Not sure what your point is.
the point is simple. a team handpassed their way to win an all-ireland. It pays to handpass. It doesnt to kick-pass. I could put up further stats on Cork if you like from other games.
That is why players who played with a round ball for 2 weeks are more competent at kicking then us. And people claim this was a good year for gaelic football. Strewth.
Didn't Donegal handpass their way past Dublin in 1992
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Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 08:18:16 PM
puts an end to the idea that the modern day player is more skilled.
How?
Simply because our kicking is shocking. the aussies have kicked points tonight our lads can only dream about
Do you want me to throw up a few you-tube vids of some of the fantastic points that were kicked in this years championship?
You do remember gaelic football don't you?
It's the game these lads actually play.
I do and when a team of athletes win the all-ireland Im not afraid to say gaelic football is in a crisis . I will put up the stats from the dublin v cork game if you like. Makes alarming reading.
Go on so.
cork 145 handpasses
dublin 59
And some clowns here think the game is in rude health :D
And yet Dublin should have won that game.
Not sure what your point is.
the point is simple. a team handpassed their way to win an all-ireland. It pays to handpass. It doesnt to kick-pass. I could put up further stats on Cork if you like from other games.
That is why players who played with a round ball for 2 weeks are more competent at kicking then us. And people claim this was a good year for gaelic football. Strewth.
Take a break for the winter Indy.
All this doom & gloom is not good for the soul.
A simple rule change is required to give the game back its soul. And re-instate Gaelic FOOTBALL not Handball. The last 2 weeks will be good to give everyone a good kick up the arse and kickstart a revival of the traditional values of the game.
The last 2 weeks of bastardised shite have nothing to do with gaelic football. It was a good championship and that is accepted by media, players and public alike. Many of the players out there tonight and last saturday kicked fine long range scores this season when it counted for their counties. Gaelic football is far from perfect but it should'nt be judged on the skills (or lack of) present in this end of season rubbish.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 09:13:13 PM
A simple rule change is required to give the game back its soul. And re-instate Gaelic FOOTBALL not Handball. The last 2 weeks will be good to give everyone a good kick up the arse and kickstart a revival of the traditional values of the game.
what's the rule change you'd make?
irish players are taught to kick the ball so that it bounces in front of their team mate and is as easy to control as possible. in aussie rules the players focus in on catching the ball and nothing else (like his balance or what to do when he lands) as he is protected by the mark. This is why irish players suffer in this game.
The definition of a tackle defines a game and everything flows from there. That's where you need to focus on imo.
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Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 09:13:13 PM
A simple rule change is required to give the game back its soul. And re-instate Gaelic FOOTBALL not Handball. The last 2 weeks will be good to give everyone a good kick up the arse and kickstart a revival of the traditional values of the game.
what's the rule change you'd make?
irish players are taught to kick the ball so that it bounces in front of their team mate and is as easy to control as possible. in aussie rules the players focus in on catching the ball and nothing else (like his balance or what to do when he lands) as he is protected by the mark. This is why irish players suffer in this game.
The definition of a tackle defines a game and everything flows from there. That's where you need to focus on imo.
I actually tend to focus on when the irish players have free kicks. Note the emphasis on free. A free kick means you can kick the ball freely under no pressure. Im open to correction on that though.
And our kicking from frees over the 2 games was abominable.
This is how it's done Indy.
Just a brief selection of fantastic scores from this years championship.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGVre0jjsyk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGVre0jjsyk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mVT_RMu-bU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mVT_RMu-bU&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWciwK4luaY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWciwK4luaY)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COz-kb1EtVc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COz-kb1EtVc)
Still waiting on the rule change suggestion
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 09:28:53 PM
This is how it's done Indy.
Just a brief selection of fantastic scores from this years championship.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGVre0jjsyk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGVre0jjsyk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mVT_RMu-bU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mVT_RMu-bU&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWciwK4luaY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWciwK4luaY)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COz-kb1EtVc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COz-kb1EtVc)
Still doesnt change the fact that a team with twice as handpasses won the all-ireland. Wait for my youtube selection of Aussie points from the last 2 weeks in the coming days. Thats after 2 weeks training.
limit the handpasses to 3 in a row. Has to be done.
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Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 09:28:53 PM
This is how it's done Indy.
Just a brief selection of fantastic scores from this years championship.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGVre0jjsyk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGVre0jjsyk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mVT_RMu-bU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mVT_RMu-bU&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWciwK4luaY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWciwK4luaY)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COz-kb1EtVc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COz-kb1EtVc)
Still doesnt change the fact that a team with twice as handpasses won the all-ireland. Wait for my youtube selection of Aussie points from the last 2 weeks in the coming days. Thats after 2 weeks training.
limit the handpasses to 3 in a row. Has to be done.
Is it possible you've taken one game where Dublin played a lot of men behind the ball and applied it to an entire season?
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on October 30, 2010, 09:17:54 PM
The Rule in the IR series regarding (what is it a maximum of 4 hand passes in a row??? )
should be tried in the Provincial pre-season competitions and the National League.
Good man that Ballyhaise man
I've been saying this for about 8 years
Limit the handpass = more emphsis on FOOTball
Hard to refreee at the start but soon the coaches will be changing the emphasis to FOOTball.
In fact if you look at Down this year you will see more foot passes in thier games than any other county and they got to the final against all odds.
The only positive thing out of this Aussie fiasco this year is the demonstration of how to referee the limited hand pass rule.
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Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 09:40:17 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 09:28:53 PM
This is how it's done Indy.
Just a brief selection of fantastic scores from this years championship.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGVre0jjsyk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGVre0jjsyk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mVT_RMu-bU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mVT_RMu-bU&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWciwK4luaY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWciwK4luaY)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COz-kb1EtVc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COz-kb1EtVc)
Still doesnt change the fact that a team with twice as handpasses won the all-ireland. Wait for my youtube selection of Aussie points from the last 2 weeks in the coming days. Thats after 2 weeks training.
limit the handpasses to 3 in a row. Has to be done.
Is it possible you've taken one game where Dublin played a lot of men behind the ball and applied it to an entire season?
Jinxy Cork had 165 handpasses against Roscomon. Dont shoot the messenger here.
These are 100% factual statistics.
It pays to handpass in galeic football. It doesnt pay to kickpass 40 yards.
What were the kick-passing stats?
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 10:02:18 PM
What were the kick-passing stats?
For Roscommon game?
Cork had 37 kickpasses. and won handy. thats roughly 5 to one.
Against Dublin Cork kickpassed the ball 8 times over a distance of 40 yards. 8 times in 73 mins. And still won.
Its worth a try in the NFL to limit the handpass.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 10:04:27 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 10:02:18 PM
What were the kick-passing stats?
For Roscommon game?
Cork had 37 kickpasses. and won handy. thats roughly 5 to one.
Against Dublin Cork kickpassed the ball 8 times over a distance of 40 yards. 8 times in 73 mins. And still won.
Its worth a try in the NFL to limit the handpass.
Indiana - where do you get the stats. Are they available for every championship match?
As i said on page 10 how did Tohill get appointed in the 1st place... the whole series is a shambles.. Just not good enough.. waste of money and a waste of time.. why dont they appoint hector next year at least he ll give us a bit of banter in the post and pre match interviews.. Tohill was obviously and proved to be an absolute disaster... Worst series in living memory... >:(
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Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2010, 10:02:18 PM
What were the kick-passing stats?
For Roscommon game?
Cork had 37 kickpasses. and won handy. thats roughly 5 to one.
Against Dublin Cork kickpassed the ball 8 times over a distance of 40 yards. 8 times in 73 mins. And still won.
Its worth a try in the NFL to limit the handpass.
Indiana - where do you get the stats. Are they available for every championship match?
I could dig them out for you.
The most recent games of the all-ireland championship are the ones closest to hand. But i could get my hands on the others easily enough.
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 30, 2010, 10:14:37 PM
As i said on page 10 how did Tohill get appointed in the 1st place... the whole series is a shambles.. Just not good enough.. waste of money and a waste of time.. why dont they appoint hector next year at least he ll give us a bit of banter in the post and pre match interviews.. Tohill was obviously and proved to be an absolute disaster... Worst series in living memory... >:(
Not tohills fault players cant kick free kicks properly. Free kicks- not open play.
Has to be Micko or Big joe manager next time out
The best manager calls it for what it is... a waste of time and does nothing for the promotion of Gaelic football.
i actually thought tonights game was a decent contest.
Tiny bit confused. Are we saying because the team that hand passed the ball the most won the all-ireland so we should change the rules of the GAA. Or is it change the rules to give us a better chance of beating Australia in 2 years??
The reason taht there is too much handpassing is due to the most annoying bastardisation of the game that is the sweeper system. The game has developed over the last 10 -15 years into one where the emphasis is to not lose. You can't blame a coach who says to his team that they must retain possession rather than kick it into space because as soon as it it hit into space the sweeper/loose man/extra man whatever you want to call it generally mops it up. And sometimes you have 2 sweepers around middle of the field. I have no problem with a team playing an extra midfielder but pushing someone back into the half back line to allow your half back to "protect" your full back. I have always maintained that the team that can accurately kick pass over 40 to 50 metres will be able to dominate.
I actually had this conversation the other day with a man when I was talking simply about the warm up that teams do. The emphasis is on hand pass and quick handling. This has filtered down from the training methods that have changed. I was amazed when I went to Cork 5 years ago that less than 6-7 players in a squad of 30 in a senior team could consistently and accurately kick a ball over 40 yards. Some couldn't actually get the distance and their technique was dreadful. I was told that this was due to the nature of the game in Cork, bourn out of a way to match the dominance of Nemo who played the short running game (Billy Morgan TM) and as a result they were obsessed with playing the handpass.
This might seem a bit far out but there may be value in putting in a rule outlaying the sweeper. Players play their positions as such. They can move around, swoop/change but at any given time they cannot have a designated sweeper. It may be difficult to enforce but if it was done at under age level where all games up to u16 have the field sectioned, this might be a better way to encourage the players and coach to put a great emphasis on the kick pass.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 31, 2010, 09:37:42 AM
The reason taht there is too much handpassing is due to the most annoying bastardisation of the game that is the sweeper system. The game has developed over the last 10 -15 years into one where the emphasis is to not lose. You can't blame a coach who says to his team that they must retain possession rather than kick it into space because as soon as it it hit into space the sweeper/loose man/extra man whatever you want to call it generally mops it up. And sometimes you have 2 sweepers around middle of the field. I have no problem with a team playing an extra midfielder but pushing someone back into the half back line to allow your half back to "protect" your full back. I have always maintained that the team that can accurately kick pass over 40 to 50 metres will be able to dominate.
I actually had this conversation the other day with a man when I was talking simply about the warm up that teams do. The emphasis is on hand pass and quick handling. This has filtered down from the training methods that have changed. I was amazed when I went to Cork 5 years ago that less than 6-7 players in a squad of 30 in a senior team could consistently and accurately kick a ball over 40 yards. Some couldn't actually get the distance and their technique was dreadful. I was told that this was due to the nature of the game in Cork, bourn out of a way to match the dominance of Nemo who played the short running game (Billy Morgan TM) and as a result they were obsessed with playing the handpass.
This might seem a bit far out but there may be value in putting in a rule outlaying the sweeper. Players play their positions as such. They can move around, swoop/change but at any given time they cannot have a designated sweeper. It may be difficult to enforce but if it was done at under age level where all games up to u16 have the field sectioned, this might be a better way to encourage the players and coach to put a great emphasis on the kick pass.
Putting a limit on the handpass will force kicking of the ball.
Kerry for example had 132 handpasses in the Munster Final this year.
So the idea that the home of football is any less culpable is incorrect.
Funny enough tyrone are one of the teams that kick the ball more.
Louth kicked the ball less then any other team last season.
Can anyone provide any statistics on the IR games.
I honestly think the Aussies had a better success rate from their kickouts than we had at ours.
Why was Cluxton kicking off the deck? I know he has a great kickout for GAA but this wasn't GAA. Tactics baffled me over the two legs.
QuoteThe reason taht there is too much handpassing is due to the most annoying bastardisation of the game that is the sweeper system. You can't blame a coach who says to his team that they must retain possession rather than kick it into space because as soon as it it hit into space the sweeper/loose man/extra man whatever you want to call it generally mops it up. And sometimes you have 2 sweepers around middle of the field.
This is the crux of the problem alright, it is very hard to beat a team that get bodies behind the ball through kicking long. However, I think there are other problems too. The tackle for one, it is too easy to get a free nowadays and therefore taking the ball into contact can often be better than deliverying it long. We also lack a respect and understanding of the game of football. It is a bloody hard game to play, yet we don't train for technical development or running patterns in the forward line. I said this a few years ago but we invented a great game but after a 125 odd years we still can't play it.
Quote from: tyssam5 on October 30, 2010, 08:56:02 PM
Only saw the 2nd half of the 2nd test, think I got the best of it.
Think Ireland tried to be too deliberate, when they sped it up it worked better.
It worked better when I sped up my sky+ recording of the game to 6x &12x, from the 5 minute mark to beginning of the last 1/4. The Aussies were very impressive in the last 7 or 8 minutes.
Overall, I think the spectacle is interesting but it will never be more than a competitive exhibition. The Int. rules game will not develop unless it is played regularly by the players and later on, have players growing up playing the game. It would be great to have a competitive international dimension to GAA but the Intl rules is not GAA and the Championship is as good as it gets for us.
Really enjoyed the last 1/4, the roar stood the hairs on my neck. I think the GAA put a great show on, i will definitely be bringing the kids next time as opposed to the session in Dublin last night, not to mention my bleeding sore head this morning.
Tactically I think Cluxton made too many errors, it was frustrating because he persisted with the ground kick out even though it was clearly not working. It looked like the so called tactics were the threw out the window in the last 1/4 and i hope someone just said lets bring our best gaelic football we have and see how it goes.
Quote from: Zulu on October 31, 2010, 01:10:16 PM
This is the crux of the problem alright, it is very hard to beat a team that get bodies behind the ball through kicking long. However, I think there are other problems too. The tackle for one, it is too easy to get a free nowadays and therefore taking the ball into contact can often be better than deliverying it long. We also lack a respect and understanding of the game of football. It is a bloody hard game to play, yet we don't train for technical development or running patterns in the forward line. I said this a few years ago but we invented a great game but after a 125 odd years we still can't play it.
Thats incorect imo. How could delaying a kick by winning a free and thus giving the other team time to mark up be preferable to delivering it earlier??! The only lack of understanding for our own game we have is that we need to stop f**king about with it. You cant outlaw sweepers etc because you'd completely and fundamentally screw the game up. Its an era, and it will pass if it should pass. Rose tinted views about the past and how good everyone used to be at kicking it are well and truly dismissed when you watch AI gold on TG4 - football used to be atrocious by the standards we are used to. It develops all the time and will continue to do so - we should let it.
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 30, 2010, 10:14:37 PM
As i said on page 10 how did Tohill get appointed in the 1st place... the whole series is a shambles.. Just not good enough.. waste of money and a waste of time.. why dont they appoint hector next year at least he ll give us a bit of banter in the post and pre match interviews.. Tohill was obviously and proved to be an absolute disaster... Worst series in living memory... >:(
Is that true though? Does the series make a profit or loss for the GAA?
Not that I'm suggesting that this should be the only factor considered in the debate about the viability of the series buts it certainly relevant.
Quote from: haranguerer on October 31, 2010, 01:28:44 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 31, 2010, 01:10:16 PM
This is the crux of the problem alright, it is very hard to beat a team that get bodies behind the ball through kicking long. However, I think there are other problems too. The tackle for one, it is too easy to get a free nowadays and therefore taking the ball into contact can often be better than deliverying it long. We also lack a respect and understanding of the game of football. It is a bloody hard game to play, yet we don't train for technical development or running patterns in the forward line. I said this a few years ago but we invented a great game but after a 125 odd years we still can't play it.
Thats incorect imo. How could delaying a kick by winning a free and thus giving the other team time to mark up be preferable to delivering it earlier??! The only lack of understanding for our own game we have is that we need to stop f**king about with it. You cant outlaw sweepers etc because you'd completely and fundamentally screw the game up. Its an era, and it will pass if it should pass. Rose tinted views about the past and how good everyone used to be at kicking it are well and truly dismissed when you watch AI gold on TG4 - football used to be atrocious by the standards we are used to. It develops all the time and will continue to do so - we should let it.
Ye see, I can't agree with this. I feel there has been a very serious shift in the way the game is played due to the emphasis on winning and money involved in sponsorship, coupled with the blow by blow account generated by the media, the game has had a massive change. It will take a big change in mentality to turn it around and that must start from top down. I think the biggest challenge to the GAA over the next 20 years is not the threat from other sports but the threat from itself and the need to maintain the current popularity.
Quote from: haranguerer on October 31, 2010, 01:28:44 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 31, 2010, 01:10:16 PM
This is the crux of the problem alright, it is very hard to beat a team that get bodies behind the ball through kicking long. However, I think there are other problems too. The tackle for one, it is too easy to get a free nowadays and therefore taking the ball into contact can often be better than deliverying it long. We also lack a respect and understanding of the game of football. It is a bloody hard game to play, yet we don't train for technical development or running patterns in the forward line. I said this a few years ago but we invented a great game but after a 125 odd years we still can't play it.
Thats incorect imo. How could delaying a kick by winning a free and thus giving the other team time to mark up be preferable to delivering it earlier??! The only lack of understanding for our own game we have is that we need to stop f**king about with it. You cant outlaw sweepers etc because you'd completely and fundamentally screw the game up. Its an era, and it will pass if it should pass. Rose tinted views about the past and how good everyone used to be at kicking it are well and truly dismissed when you watch AI gold on TG4 - football used to be atrocious by the standards we are used to. It develops all the time and will continue to do so - we should let it.
So a team that handpasses the ball 145 times, kicks it 37 times and kickpasses the ball 8 times over 40 metres in the course of 73 mins should be lauded. Cant agree the game should be renamed Gaelic Handball.
At the moment Gaelic Football only incorporates 2 or 3 skills in conjunction with physical power and fitness.
The Aussies peripheral vision is 100 times better then our lads and their was countless examples over the course of the 2 weeks.
I agree with you Indiana, I think some of the Irish kicking was shocking. You can sort of understand the kicking from open play going awry because our lads were getting closed down and often had to rush, but some of the kicking from frees was awful. I'm not sure if the Aussies were better than us with the ball last night, but they were certainly no worse and that in itself is a bit of a worry for our own game I think.
Handpassing and deliberate fouling are two of the biggest blights in our game - you are rewarded for both instead of being penalised and because there's no appetite at the top level to tackle the issue, it will remain so. The four handpass rule was trialled a few years ago in the league I think, I'd love to see it being reinstated and written into rule. It's a no brainer.
On the match itself, the second test was much better than the first, particularly the second half, there was a bit of cutting in it at last. But was I the only one thinking that as soon as Ireland got close, the Aussies would just start really trying again and pull away? Looked a bit scripted to me. A slight touch of the Truman show about it. That's not to take away from our lads giving it a hell of a lash or anything, fair play regardless.
Overall though, this series has become way too imbalanced, the gap between pro and amateur is so big that we need the Aussies to play nice and give us a chance - so why bother?
i think we had too many players who didn't want to know, Bernard brogan simply didn't want to tackle, Sean cavanagh hung around waiting to be taken off and only showed an interest when he saw that tohill was leaving him on no matter how bad he was and ireland started to make a come back. i knew Benny coulter would make a difference and he did, but it didn't make sense to leave brogan on and withdraw Stevie to midfield he simply competed with our own lads for the ball. (and did well)
i don't know whether this was big anto's best team selection or whether these are the only players who made themselves available when asked. i can think of dozens of players who can kick pass and kick the ball over the bar why weren't they wearing the Irish jersey? just think of the sentiment and passion before an Irish rugby match! wheres ours? the Irish management failed miserably to light a fire under our team.
the practice of bringing players back from Australia eg kenelley or Walsh or using failed Aussie rules players eg Marty Clarke is at best questionable. when players sign for Aussie clubs they become professional and IMO rule themselves out we have enough Gaelic football players here to compete. also why do guys who fail at football in oz get first shout at representing ireland doesn't make sense.. Marty Clarke was anonymous over the two games.
the timing of the tests is of distinct advantage to the Aussies with so many of our players club tied many players can't play IR. best example crossmaglen rangers- Arron Kernan's the only one i can think of to play for ireland. we should have won the series easy and made the aussies look good through our wastefulness.
Its time to either shite or leave the pot! either we are going to play this game or pack it in? there are too many dissenting voices the matter needs to be raised and put to a vote at congress once a decision has been reached either way these guys need to shut up or start shouting 'ireland.' the games are in oz next year and we need to start selecting our best team, all players need to have a chance right throughout gaeldom from div 4 clubs and b teams the whole way up. the aussies have a cup with cormac mcanallens name on it and it belongs in ireland. chucky and all that 8)
PS. the next test played in ireland if there is one needs to be in Belfast
PJ Cunningham has an article in todays Tribune highlighting the case of Leighton Glynn playing 3 games in 3 days.
He says no games should be played the weekend the IR is on yet bizarrely claims this is a pro-club move as it means they have their best players available.
How is it pro-club to disrupt the lives & schedules of hundreds of ordinary club players, so a handful get to play in a hybrid game that (lets be honest here) a lot of people would not miss one bit if it was gone?
Quote from: Jinxy on October 31, 2010, 05:31:58 PM
PJ Cunningham has an article in todays Tribune highlighting the case of Leighton Glynn playing 3 games in 3 days.
He says no games should be played the weekend the IR is on yet bizarrely claims this is a pro-club move as it means they have their best players available.
How is it pro-club to disrupt the lives & schedules of hundreds of ordinary club players, so a handful get to play in a hybrid game that (lets be honest here) a lot of people would not miss one bit if it was gone?
many clubs intend raising the ir games at congress. if they get the green light as i expect they will when should they be played? maybe after paddys or on paddys day
Or not at all.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 31, 2010, 05:50:10 PM
Or not at all.
if you hate it so much why do you do not just ignore it instead of coming onto the thread to moan about its merits every couple of days. i don't like hockey but i don't waste time in my life giving off about it. There was 61800 or so people there last night so there is a want for it to be played and it was good meeting people from australia to chat about their players and theeir game as well as a bit of banter.
What's wrong with hockey?
Quote from: Jinxy on October 31, 2010, 06:27:34 PM
What's wrong with hockey?
im just not that fond of it. never played it, never watched it though i could have put in a lot of sports there. Not really my point though
I attended last night and enjoyed the occasion ...especially the second half when the Irish lads got a "bit o cuttin " into them.
I colud have done without some of Hector O Gobdaw's patter and the incessant drumming noises but overall it was a positive exerience.
The Aussies were great at being in the right place always while some of our lads ( incl our Seanie) too often lost sight of their men.
Last week I'd have been part of the school of thought that would say end this business but after last night .... I say keep it going.
As for Micky Harte and the other naysayer here ...... go off and be grumpy oul men somewhere else or get some hormone treatment for ye're nagativity and grumpiness. :P
Hector is good, but he's no Brush.
The attendances alone show that this will be played again. Jinxy and the lads can look forward to the opportunity of another fortnight of whinging so that'll be nice for them.
looked like a near full house on the TV, anyone get the attendance figure?
mick malthouse was creaming himself at the post game interview over how good a series it was, you could tell he loves the concept and wants it to continue
last nights game was a very good game of footy in my opinion and thoroughly deserved it, pity they didn't have kevin mckernan on a lot earlier, the man was immense, as someone else said, marty clarke was not the force we expected he would be
(how's that for balance for a down man ;) )
Maybe I'm just an aging cynic but the more I think about it, the more I smell something rotten. I watched both games live on tv and the highlights of both twice. I did this beacause I wanted to try and have an informed opinnion on the games without contributing any of my family cash to this mis adventure.
What I cant understand is this. For 6 out of 8 quarters the Australians pasted the GAA lads. They were far superior in ball winning, support play, kick passing and point scoring. But somehow, miraculously in two games, the GAA lads suddenly find, in the 4th quarter, that they can out field, out run and out score their opponents. Except that is, for that brief moment when everyone got excited at the thought that the GAA lads could win not only the game but even the series. Then equally miraculously the Australians suddenly find their feet again and pop over the scores they need to close out the game and the series. Amazing stuff.
Now we talk a lot about the fact that Australian Rules is a professional game but we do that in the context of their physical conditioning. I think we also have to consider that the Australian management of this series is also totally professional. I dont know exactly why, but the AFL have an objective of keeping this thing alive. As professionals they will do what it takes to achieve their objective. Barring a return to all out violence the worst thing that could have happened to this "concept" was for the Australians to wipe the floor with the GAA lads. The Australian manager seems a very eloquent charming and intelligent guy. Obviouslly a highy successful professional in what he does. I believe he stage managed this series completely. Throwing the GAA enough rope to keep them hanging on, even though the Australians were far superior in skills and athleticism. And by and large everyone seems to be more than happy to grab on to that rope.
Quote from: Banana Man on October 31, 2010, 08:38:28 PM
looked like a near full house on the TV, anyone get the attendance figure?
61,824. The Hill only had a few hundred on it.
Quote from: fearglasmor on October 31, 2010, 08:43:26 PM
the AFL have an objective of keeping this thing alive. . Obviouslly a highy successful professional in what he does. I believe he stage managed this series completely. Throwing the GAA enough rope to keep them hanging on,
After 2 or 3 weeks of whinging and moaning ...now it's the conspiracy theory. ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2010, 09:12:03 PM
Quote from: Banana Man on October 31, 2010, 08:38:28 PM
looked like a near full house on the TV, anyone get the attendance figure?
61,824. The Hill only had a few hundred on it.
Our only international fixture in two years, massively promoted on TV radio and in the press, vast numbers of freebie and special price tickets - and still 20,000 short of a full house!
I think people may be interpreting the statistics the wrong way - the GAA public is obviously and
seriously disinterested in the bastardised game. You cant blame the players who get certain "international" kudos out of it - and the chance of an Aussie holiday.
Serious Note:
Our GAA officials are constantly on their FAS-style junkets so they are the turkeys who won,t vote for Christmass. - they will keep this rediculous series alive.I'm with Mickey Harte on this one but I watched the Croke Park game on TG4 out of curiosity. Not only was I alarmed at the paucity of skill in our foot passing (but Maybe not all that surprised) but the brainless way people like Canty kept carrying the ball and getting caught suggested poor preparation and lack of understanding of the compromise rules (such as they are).
Somebody said earlier it is a huge waste of money .... with Coca Cola gone I'd say that's bang on. For once RTE are ahead of the jingoistic GAA-land lalas (for whom any thing emantating from Croke Park is a world-beater!) and they let TG4 take it to the "masses". Reason? - lack of audience.
It will go ahead because of the highlighted "serious point" above.
Quote from: fearglasmor on October 31, 2010, 08:43:26 PM
The Australian manager seems a very eloquent charming and intelligent guy. Obviouslly a highy successful professional in what he does. I believe he stage managed this series completely.
Obviously youy have never seen nor heard him moaning about Collingwood having to leave the MCG four times a year. He's a yapping p***k who complains about how hard the draw for his team is. They travelled once to WA this season and once last season and will only travel once next season. WA teams travel basically ever other week. He likes to appear as intelligent. He sure as fcuk has more grey matter than the cumulative total of his club's supporters.
We should be pumping more money into celebrity bainisteoir.
Imagine the hucklebuck under lights in front of 82,000 people.
Throw the Brush into the mix and it would be the greatest event of all time.
Went to Croke last night and I now am firmly in the camp that says apply the same pr and hype to the interprovincials and get rid of this excuse for a sport asap - our football is a great game and so is Aussie rules football but this hybrid just does not work .A U-12 league match between Cookstown Fr Rocks and Clonoe would have more excitement !!
Quote from: fearglasmor on October 31, 2010, 08:43:26 PM
Maybe I'm just an aging cynic but the more I think about it, the more I smell something rotten. I watched both games live on tv and the highlights of both twice. I did this beacause I wanted to try and have an informed opinnion on the games without contributing any of my family cash to this mis adventure.
What I cant understand is this. For 6 out of 8 quarters the Australians pasted the GAA lads. They were far superior in ball winning, support play, kick passing and point scoring. But somehow, miraculously in two games, the GAA lads suddenly find, in the 4th quarter, that they can out field, out run and out score their opponents. Except that is, for that brief moment when everyone got excited at the thought that the GAA lads could win not only the game but even the series. Then equally miraculously the Australians suddenly find their feet again and pop over the scores they need to close out the game and the series. Amazing stuff.
Now we talk a lot about the fact that Australian Rules is a professional game but we do that in the context of their physical conditioning. I think we also have to consider that the Australian management of this series is also totally professional. I dont know exactly why, but the AFL have an objective of keeping this thing alive. As professionals they will do what it takes to achieve their objective. Barring a return to all out violence the worst thing that could have happened to this "concept" was for the Australians to wipe the floor with the GAA lads. The Australian manager seems a very eloquent charming and intelligent guy. Obviouslly a highy successful professional in what he does. I believe he stage managed this series completely. Throwing the GAA enough rope to keep them hanging on, even though the Australians were far superior in skills and athleticism. And by and large everyone seems to be more than happy to grab on to that rope.
Haha, what a ridiculous conspiracy. I suppose they sat down before the two test and decided who would win aswell so they could wager a few pound and make a bit of money out of it. Would you stop the lights
I got free tickets for Saturday so decided to head to Croker. I had a few nice pints.
Quote from: lawnseed on October 31, 2010, 05:25:43 PM
i think we had too many players who didn't want to know, Bernard brogan simply didn't want to tackle, Sean cavanagh hung around waiting to be taken off and only showed an interest when he saw that tohill was leaving him on no matter how bad he was and ireland started to make a come back. i knew Benny coulter would make a difference and he did, but it didn't make sense to leave brogan on and withdraw Stevie to midfield he simply competed with our own lads for the ball. (and did well)
i don't know whether this was big anto's best team selection or whether these are the only players who made themselves available when asked. i can think of dozens of players who can kick pass and kick the ball over the bar why weren't they wearing the Irish jersey? just think of the sentiment and passion before an Irish rugby match! wheres ours? the Irish management failed miserably to light a fire under our team.
the practice of bringing players back from Australia eg kenelley or Walsh or using failed Aussie rules players eg Marty Clarke is at best questionable. when players sign for Aussie clubs they become professional and IMO rule themselves out we have enough Gaelic football players here to compete. also why do guys who fail at football in oz get first shout at representing ireland doesn't make sense.. Marty Clarke was anonymous over the two games.
the timing of the tests is of distinct advantage to the Aussies with so many of our players club tied many players can't play IR. best example crossmaglen rangers- Arron Kernan's the only one i can think of to play for ireland. we should have won the series easy and made the aussies look good through our wastefulness.
Its time to either shite or leave the pot! either we are going to play this game or pack it in? there are too many dissenting voices the matter needs to be raised and put to a vote at congress once a decision has been reached either way these guys need to shut up or start shouting 'ireland.' the games are in oz next year and we need to start selecting our best team, all players need to have a chance right throughout gaeldom from div 4 clubs and b teams the whole way up. the aussies have a cup with cormac mcanallens name on it and it belongs in ireland. chucky and all that 8)
PS. the next test played in ireland if there is one needs to be in Belfast
I have always wondered why the hell players are picked just because they have some experience of playing Aussie Rules, there is alot of better Gaelic footballers out there than the like of Colm Begley, Brendan Murphy or the like of Setanta who also played before. There is also players on the team who are nowhere near the best in that position, the like of Sean McDermott being an example. Anyone who thinks that Marty Clarke or Leighton Glynn would be more effective than the Gooch or Paddy or Eoin Bradley needs their head looked at too, we should be picking the best footballers with a good blend of speed and physicality in the team too.
well the kids that were at croker on Sat night seemed to enjoy the spectacle.
Another glorious loss for old Ireland. At least we are now bringing that message to the modern day kids by having loads of them to these matches.
So what if we dont win. Its not like we are world beaters in any other sports !!
rugby we are currently competitive but wont ever win anything more (in heineken cup we are cheating as we have provinces with multiple clubs in them while the rest of europe just have clubs - though scotland and wales are now following suit).
in soccer we are dreadful.
the IR is prob a junket. if it gives an extra holiday to the players - great. A non violent game like this is still better to wath than the hyped up brum derby birmingham 0 aston villa 0.
The recognition the Irish players get by getting onto the panel is a great acolade.
why kill it off.
As long as sponsorship covers it then fine.
Its off season entertainment.
Its not like its Gaelic football or hurling.
There are a lot of aspects that teams and players can learn from watching the aussies.
Even if FGM's conspiricy theory is correct - who cares !
chillax lads. enjoy these things !
Went to this on Sat after getting great tickets. Was very poor apart from the last quarter, there was more atmosphere in the breaks between the quarters until the Irish lads started to close the gap. I wouldn't be in either the love it or leave it camps but I'd be pretty indifferent towards it. Give me properly marketed inter-provincials any day.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 01, 2010, 09:56:45 AM
well the kids that were at croker on Sat night seemed to enjoy the spectacle.
Another glorious loss for old Ireland. At least we are now bringing that message to the modern day kids by having loads of them to these matches.
So what if we dont win. Its not like we are world beaters in any other sports !!
rugby we are currently competitive but wont ever win anything more (in heineken cup we are cheating as we have provinces with multiple clubs in them while the rest of europe just have clubs - though scotland and wales are now following suit).
in soccer we are dreadful.
the IR is prob a junket. if it gives an extra holiday to the players - great. A non violent game like this is still better to wath than the hyped up brum derby birmingham 0 aston villa 0.
The recognition the Irish players get by getting onto the panel is a great acolade.
why kill it off.
As long as sponsorship covers it then fine.
Its off season entertainment.
Its not like its Gaelic football or hurling.
There are a lot of aspects that teams and players can learn from watching the aussies.
Even if FGM's conspiricy theory is correct - who cares !
chillax lads. enjoy these things !
agree with all that LB, I wish a few posters would stop pedalling that shite that the interpros properly marketed.......
FFS it's been tried and patently failed.
Quote from: Bogball XV on November 01, 2010, 02:29:48 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 01, 2010, 09:56:45 AM
well the kids that were at croker on Sat night seemed to enjoy the spectacle.
Another glorious loss for old Ireland. At least we are now bringing that message to the modern day kids by having loads of them to these matches.
So what if we dont win. Its not like we are world beaters in any other sports !!
rugby we are currently competitive but wont ever win anything more (in heineken cup we are cheating as we have provinces with multiple clubs in them while the rest of europe just have clubs - though scotland and wales are now following suit).
in soccer we are dreadful.
the IR is prob a junket. if it gives an extra holiday to the players - great. A non violent game like this is still better to wath than the hyped up brum derby birmingham 0 aston villa 0.
The recognition the Irish players get by getting onto the panel is a great acolade.
why kill it off.
As long as sponsorship covers it then fine.
Its off season entertainment.
Its not like its Gaelic football or hurling.
There are a lot of aspects that teams and players can learn from watching the aussies.
Even if FGM's conspiricy theory is correct - who cares !
chillax lads. enjoy these things !
agree with all that LB, I wish a few posters would stop pedalling that shite that the interpros properly marketed.......
FFS it's been tried and patently failed.
Yeah but HQ went arseways about marketing it. After being held abroad for a few years they then tried to throw it into Croke Park with a couple of weeks notice. Not nearly enough time to market it properly and as a consequence it didn't register with many/enough people and died a death. The IR is still living off the history and tradition of the scraps back in Jacko's days. Like the IR the GAA need to set aside 2 successive weekends every year, market it properly and build it slowly. Have the finals in the lower capacity county grounds, fiver in with the kids free. Get the best players playing, move the venue's around (but keep it central to the participating provinces, i.e. Munster - Connacht in Ennis) and the interest will increase year on year. As the crowds get bigger move towards the Gaelic Grounds of this world. In 5 - 10 years there will be enough interest/demand to have the finals in Croker, it all depends on whether the will is there to see through a long term strategy.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 01, 2010, 02:51:09 PMlike this is still better to wath than the hyped up brum derby birmingham 0 aston villa 0.
Yeah but HQ went arseways about marketing it. After being held abroad for a few years they then tried to throw it into Croke Park with a couple of weeks notice. Not nearly enough time to market it properly and as a consequence it didn't register with many/enough people and died a death. The IR is still living off the history and tradition of the scraps back in Jacko's days. Like the IR the GAA need to set aside 2 successive weekends every year, market it properly and build it slowly. Have the finals in the lower capacity county grounds, fiver in with the kids free. Get the best players playing, move the venue's around (but keep it central to the participating provinces, i.e. Munster - Connacht in Ennis) and the interest will increase year on year. As the crowds get bigger move towards the Gaelic Grounds of this world. In 5 - 10 years there will be enough interest/demand to have the finals in Croker, it all depends on whether the will is there to see through a long term strategy.
You can do whatever you want in terms of free tickets etc, but in order to make it work, you have to get people to care about who wins and the time when that was the case has long passed.
There's no reason why 40,000 kids couldn't be brought along to the Railway Cup too.
They didn't drive themselves to Croke park.
That said I think the railway cup is a dead duck.
This time of year should be for the clubs.
How many of you "whingers" actually went to one of the Interprovincial matches? How many can remember any really good competitive Interpro games? I did, and I cant remember any good games. They seemed less competitive than a Challenge match between two neighbouring clubs.
St Patrick's Day used to be the standard date for the Railway Cup in Croke Park. As the crowd dwindled, it was moved to provincial grounds. I remember Tullamore was the first one used, deemed to be the most central. Then it travelled around. The crowds dropped almost every year. Then they tried the "Weekend Tournament" format ... no improvement.
I believe the players just did not feel any affinity to the Interpro teams. They were almost a step-down from Inter-county level, instead of the other way around. When the Club Championships began to get more coverage (and that was not as a deliberate alternative to the Interpro's) very soon it seemed clear that there was nothing to "market" for the Railway Cup. Think back to how little outcry there was when it was finally cancelled, especially from the players. It's easy to say ... do this and that. It was done, and it failed.
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So ... if the "whingers" could stop flogging that dead horse .... I was in Croker last Saturday and I enjoyed the occasion. The better team won, fair and simple. Overall the game was a good spectacle under the floodlights. It's great to be able to cheer "Ireland Ireland" in Croke Park. So we lost! It's not the first time. Visiting teams have always done well in this code. But it was not totally one-sided. It was not a disgrace. The players put in a lot of effort and should be recognised for that. I look forward to next year in the hope that the Aussies can schedule the games for a time that means I wont be in work when they are broadcast here.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 01, 2010, 09:21:58 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on October 31, 2010, 05:25:43 PM
i think we had too many players who didn't want to know, Bernard brogan simply didn't want to tackle, Sean cavanagh hung around waiting to be taken off and only showed an interest when he saw that tohill was leaving him on no matter how bad he was and ireland started to make a come back. i knew Benny coulter would make a difference and he did, but it didn't make sense to leave brogan on and withdraw Stevie to midfield he simply competed with our own lads for the ball. (and did well)
i don't know whether this was big anto's best team selection or whether these are the only players who made themselves available when asked. i can think of dozens of players who can kick pass and kick the ball over the bar why weren't they wearing the Irish jersey? just think of the sentiment and passion before an Irish rugby match! wheres ours? the Irish management failed miserably to light a fire under our team.
the practice of bringing players back from Australia eg kenelley or Walsh or using failed Aussie rules players eg Marty Clarke is at best questionable. when players sign for Aussie clubs they become professional and IMO rule themselves out we have enough Gaelic football players here to compete. also why do guys who fail at football in oz get first shout at representing ireland doesn't make sense.. Marty Clarke was anonymous over the two games.
the timing of the tests is of distinct advantage to the Aussies with so many of our players club tied many players can't play IR. best example crossmaglen rangers- Arron Kernan's the only one i can think of to play for ireland. we should have won the series easy and made the aussies look good through our wastefulness.
Its time to either shite or leave the pot! either we are going to play this game or pack it in? there are too many dissenting voices the matter needs to be raised and put to a vote at congress once a decision has been reached either way these guys need to shut up or start shouting 'ireland.' the games are in oz next year and we need to start selecting our best team, all players need to have a chance right throughout gaeldom from div 4 clubs and b teams the whole way up. the aussies have a cup with cormac mcanallens name on it and it belongs in ireland. chucky and all that 8)
PS. the next test played in ireland if there is one needs to be in Belfast
I have always wondered why the hell players are picked just because they have some experience of playing Aussie Rules, there is alot of better Gaelic footballers out there than the like of Colm Begley, Brendan Murphy or the like of Setanta who also played before. There is also players on the team who are nowhere near the best in that position, the like of Sean McDermott being an example. Anyone who thinks that Marty Clarke or Leighton Glynn would be more effective than the Gooch or Paddy or Eoin Bradley needs their head looked at too, we should be picking the best footballers with a good blend of speed and physicality in the team too.
To paraphrase the old one about the county manager and club player, when we are playing Oz at Gaelic football we will give them a shout.
Quote from: Bogball XV on November 01, 2010, 02:56:48 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 01, 2010, 02:51:09 PMlike this is still better to wath than the hyped up brum derby birmingham 0 aston villa 0.
Yeah but HQ went arseways about marketing it. After being held abroad for a few years they then tried to throw it into Croke Park with a couple of weeks notice. Not nearly enough time to market it properly and as a consequence it didn't register with many/enough people and died a death. The IR is still living off the history and tradition of the scraps back in Jacko's days. Like the IR the GAA need to set aside 2 successive weekends every year, market it properly and build it slowly. Have the finals in the lower capacity county grounds, fiver in with the kids free. Get the best players playing, move the venue's around (but keep it central to the participating provinces, i.e. Munster - Connacht in Ennis) and the interest will increase year on year. As the crowds get bigger move towards the Gaelic Grounds of this world. In 5 - 10 years there will be enough interest/demand to have the finals in Croker, it all depends on whether the will is there to see through a long term strategy.
You can do whatever you want in terms of free tickets etc, but in order to make it work, you have to get people to care about who wins and the time when that was the case has long passed.
I agree that people won't really feel much attachment to their provinces initially (unless you bus in the rugger buggers) but it shouldn't be marketed as such. They should sell it as the best players in Ireland up against each other, the cream pitting their wits against each other, Michael Murphy against Graham Canty, Bernard Brogan against Gormley, Michael Meehan against Marc O Se, John Galvin against Paddy Keenan, etc. Once it has gained some respectability, the crowds will start to filter back and in time I believe they will start to get behind the provinces again. The key is scheduling and committing to a long term strategy.
Lads the perfect solution is staring ye in the face, I'm surprised no one has suggested..........a Provincial Rules Tournament.
;)
Was at both games and thankfully Saturday was a big improvement on the first night. WE lost fair and square but our last quarter efforts restored the players honour and redemmed the series. Instead of bemoaning our loss and talking sh*** about resurrecting the Railway Cups ( Just as AR fans talk sh*** about reviving Stae of Origin Aussie Rules) we should be learning from our defeat and seeing what we can take from the Aussies outstanding play.
We can learn from their speed of thought, quick hands, support play, ability to play on from trhe mark etc.
I trust Antony Tohill and his assistants are in the process of writing a report to Croke Park on the subject and also on how selection and preperation of future Irish teams can be improved. I saw and heard Colm O'Rourkes comments on RTE on the Bigfooty website today and agree with every word.
Also the series is self financing and offers a great chance for clubs to introduce young people to the thrills of Croke Park in a way that can't be done during the Championship. Long may this continue.
Whatever ye're opinions of the International Rules .... will ye please give over about reviving the Inter Pros.
They're dead and gone because nobody gave 2 flyin fcuks about them.
Maybe sad.... but true.
Quote from: sheamy on October 30, 2010, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 30, 2010, 09:13:13 PM
A simple rule change is required to give the game back its soul. And re-instate Gaelic FOOTBALL not Handball. The last 2 weeks will be good to give everyone a good kick up the arse and kickstart a revival of the traditional values of the game.
what's the rule change you'd make?
irish players are taught to kick the ball so that it bounces in front of their team mate and is as easy to control as possible. in aussie rules the players focus in on catching the ball and nothing else (like his balance or what to do when he lands) as he is protected by the mark. This is why irish players suffer in this game.
The definition of a tackle defines a game and everything flows from there. That's where you need to focus on imo.
Must say I think this summarises perfectly what I think. No matter what they say about the roundball being an advantage to the Irish the mark and tackle are what define the game. This is playing to the strength of the Aussies. Even the rule that only 4 handpasses are allowed - although laudable- favours the Aussies as there are a number of times when the Irish players have to kick a fifty fifty pass which the Ausssie will usually win. Alot of people say that the series showed how poor Irish kicking is. To me this misses the point. When an Irish player has the ball he is trying to pass it to the chest (not to bounch in front as would be the norm) while waiting for a thumping tackle. This leads to many snapped passes. Even when kicking from a mark he has to break from his practice routine to walk backwards. This has to have an effect as Cavanagh, Brogan, McDonnell etc. all missed kicks they would normally easily get.
If we want to see if Irish players can kick the ball just look at Crossmaglen in the first half yesterday. A game where they kick passed the ball as much as possible- and well!
Quote from: Leo on October 31, 2010, 09:31:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2010, 09:12:03 PM
Quote from: Banana Man on October 31, 2010, 08:38:28 PM
looked like a near full house on the TV, anyone get the attendance figure?
61,824. The Hill only had a few hundred on it.
Our only international fixture in two years, massively promoted on TV radio and in the press, vast numbers of freebie and special price tickets - and still 20,000 short of a full house!
I think people may be interpreting the statistics the wrong way - the GAA public is obviously and seriously disinterested in the bastardised game. You cant blame the players who get certain "international" kudos out of it - and the chance of an Aussie holiday.
Serious Note: Our GAA officials are constantly on their FAS-style junkets so they are the turkeys who won,t vote for Christmass. - they will keep this rediculous series alive.
I'm with Mickey Harte on this one but I watched the Croke Park game on TG4 out of curiosity. Not only was I alarmed at the paucity of skill in our foot passing (but Maybe not all that surprised) but the brainless way people like Canty kept carrying the ball and getting caught suggested poor preparation and lack of understanding of the compromise rules (such as they are).
Somebody said earlier it is a huge waste of money .... with Coca Cola gone I'd say that's bang on. For once RTE are ahead of the jingoistic GAA-land lalas (for whom any thing emantating from Croke Park is a world-beater!) and they let TG4 take it to the "masses". Reason? - lack of audience.
It will go ahead because of the highlighted "serious point" above.
Austrailllia played 2 other internationals on Saturday (v England rugby league and New Zealand rugby union). There was a bigger crowd in Croke park than the other 2 combined. Given the negative publicity it was a very decent crowd. Some people might just have to accept its here to stay and move on with their lives.
Quote from: zoyler on November 01, 2010, 05:56:20 PM
Was at both games and thankfully Saturday was a big improvement on the first night. WE lost fair and square but our last quarter efforts restored the players honour and redemmed the series. Instead of bemoaning our loss and talking sh*** about resurrecting the Railway Cups ( Just as AR fans talk sh*** about reviving Stae of Origin Aussie Rules) we should be learning from our defeat and seeing what we can take from the Aussies outstanding play.
We can learn from their speed of thought, quick hands, support play, ability to play on from trhe mark etc.
I trust Antony Tohill and his assistants are in the process of writing a report to Croke Park on the subject and also on how selection and preperation of future Irish teams can be improved. I saw and heard Colm O'Rourkes comments on RTE on the Bigfooty website today and agree with every word.
Also the series is self financing and offers a great chance for clubs to introduce young people to the thrills of Croke Park in a way that can't be done during the Championship. Long may this continue.
Any chance Adam Goodes and Co can run kicking clinics for our players
Silverbridge Harps development draw www.winonehundredthousand.ie great value for £20/euro
good income for any club willing to promote this draw.
Took the young fella down Saturday night. Although the game itself lacked excitement Croke Park looked brilliant under the lights, imagine a big championship game under lights. Fantastic Ted.
As for the series itself I am in 2 minds. On 1 hand the game itself is a bit of a joke and no one is that bothered if Ireland lose. On the other hand if it is funding itself and the players and supporters continue to support it, wheres the harm?
It's hard to see the Railway Cup making a comeback.
Quote from: fearglasmor on November 01, 2010, 05:08:38 PM
Lads the perfect solution is staring ye in the face, I'm surprised no one has suggested..........a Provincial Rules Tournament.
;)
Do you mean compromise rules or GAA tournament? Because I have always thought a crackin weekend in Dublin would be an inter-provincial GAA tournament, the same as the universities' Sigerson weekend.
Double Header Semi-Finals played on the Friday night with the final on the Saturday. Properly marketed and managed, I reckon it would be a belter.
We have to get Croke Park and the bigger provincial grounds opened during week and under lights. It gives an alternative to sitting in the house over the winter, and your wife realising how boring you really are.
Was there last Saturday, and although the first three quarters were pretty awful, the atmosphere was unbelieveable in the last quarter.
All the underage players we took with us really enjoyed the occasion; looking forward now to the National League games which have been given a boost now they are held on days other than Sunday.
Thank God for floodlights.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 01, 2010, 09:56:45 AM
(in heineken cup we are cheating as we have provinces with multiple clubs in them while the rest of europe just have clubs - though scotland and wales are now following suit).
what??
you're probably best to leave the rugby chat out of your argument lad
Is this thread still going? ::)
Good.
Just watched the first half. A poor game with little open play. Ireland outclassed and very poor in the basics of a game they play week in week out. No fights either and not the passion you would expect. Not much of an atmosphere and lot of empty seats. Should rugby be scrapped?
Yes.
Just watched the match. A poor game with little open play. Ireland scrapped to a win against a country with a population of less than 200lk and very poor in the basics of a game they play week in week out. No fights either and not the passion you would expect. Not much of an atmosphere and lot of empty seats. Should rugby be scrapped?
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 13, 2010, 08:25:25 PM
Just watched the match. A poor game with little open play. Ireland scrapped to a win against a country with a population of less than 200lk and very poor in the basics of a game they play week in week out. No fights either and not the passion you would expect. Not much of an atmosphere and lot of empty seats. Should rugby be scrapped?
why do you keep on watching?
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 13, 2010, 08:25:25 PM
Just watched the match. A poor game with little open play. Ireland scrapped to a win against a country with a population of less than 200lk and very poor in the basics of a game they play week in week out. No fights either and not the passion you would expect. Not much of an atmosphere and lot of empty seats. Should rugby be scrapped?
I already said YES!
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 13, 2010, 08:25:25 PM
. Should rugby be scrapped?
YES !!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
the quicker the better till we rid our fair isle of that abomination of a sport.
Quote from: Bogball XV on November 13, 2010, 08:40:52 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 13, 2010, 08:25:25 PM
Just watched the match. A poor game with little open play. Ireland scrapped to a win against a country with a population of less than 200lk and very poor in the basics of a game they play week in week out. No fights either and not the passion you would expect. Not much of an atmosphere and lot of empty seats. Should rugby be scrapped?
why do you keep on watching?
Not sure but probably watch less and less each year. There is the odd decent game. Why do people who clearly dislike the international rules keep watching? My point is poor games in other sports particularly rugby aren't subject to the same over the top reaction and negative scrutiny.