From rte.ie
GAA may bring in players names on shirts
GAA Director General Paraic Duffy has revealed that the organisation may introduce players names on the back of shirts, in a bid to assist referees in identifying players.
The mandatory usage of helmets in hurling is expected to lead to problems in identifying players and Duffy confirmed that having names on shirts is one proposal the GAA are looking into.
'Going forward it's something we might look at,' Duffy told the Examiner.
'At the moment our primary concern is to get everyone wearing a helmet, that's our first goal. Marketing the games comes after that.
'But it is a valid point. It's been an issue for quite a long time that hurlers are not as easily recognisable as footballers.'
Me and Joe are against it anyway...
Canning against names on jerseys
Joe Canning has expressed his opposition to plans to put hurlers' names on the back of jerseys now that the wearing of helmets has become compulsory.
Speaking at the launch of the Marc Sports new hurling helmet scrappage scheme at Croke Park yesterday, the Galway sharpshooter said: "I'd rather just come off the field and be the same as everyone and not many people know you and you can walk around and live a normal life.
"I suppose it is a thing for the reporters getting to know the players on the pitch. It is similar with the jerseys and the way the numbers were also put on the front of the jerseys.
"If it is in, it is in. If it is not, it's not. It is not a big deal for me anyway."
Revealing the Association's plans to put names on the back of jerseys, GAA director-general Paraic Duffy admitted that hurling has always suffered from a lack of recognition of its top players as most wear helmets.
He said: "Going forward, it's something we might look at. At the moment, our primary concern is to get everyone wearing a helmet, that's our first goal. Marketing the games comes after that.
"But it is a valid point. It's been an issue for quite a long time that hurlers are not as easily recognisable as footballers but at the minute we don't have any plans to do that."
Don't see anything there about Canning being against it. He clearly indicates it doesn't matter to him.
Headline writers should be sent out to grit the roads naked.
I think its a good idea to put the names on shirts.
Quote from: An Laoch on January 08, 2010, 12:20:42 PM
Don't see anything there about Canning being against it. He clearly indicates it doesn't matter to him.
Headline writers should be sent out to grit the roads naked.
I think its a good idea to put the names on shirts.
It seems he isn't for it but won't lose any sleep over it whatever way it goes
Quote from: Celt_Man on January 08, 2010, 12:08:22 PM
...the Galway sharpshooter said: "I'd rather just come off the field and be the same as everyone and not many people know you and you can walk around and live a normal life.
"If it is in, it is in. If it is not, it's not. It is not a big deal for me anyway."
I know Hurling is different with the helmets but I wouldn't like to see names on the back of some of the
egos jerseys. I reckon it could lead to all kinds of soccer-esque celebrations - after scoring pointing to your name etc - which isn't the GAA at all
indeed Celt Man. the gaa is about teamsheets with half the players missing from them, pa guys that stay silent for every substitution and fellas coming on the pitch wearing number 24 and no one has a clue who they are.
Quote from: An Laoch on January 08, 2010, 12:38:30 PM
indeed Celt Man. the gaa is about teamsheets with half the players missing from them, pa guys that stay silent for every substitution and fellas coming on the pitch wearing number 24 and no one has a clue who they are.
Good man, An Laoch, you got my point exactly... I was worried for a second that you might take it up the wrong way and I would have to explain it again..
Designated squad jersey no's to follow I suppose. 1 to 15 jerseys (in theory anyway) starting a match to be a thing of the past.
Quote from: An Laoch on January 08, 2010, 12:38:30 PM
indeed Celt Man. the gaa is about teamsheets with half the players missing from them, pa guys that stay silent for every substitution and fellas coming on the pitch wearing number 24 and no one has a clue who they are.
least of all the manager who just sent them on ;D
Sounds like another ill thought out marketing ploy by the GAA. Next think you will have the players or the GPA crying about image rights and looking a cut of jersey sales.
whatever about the gpa looking for a cut
the tv comentators would surely welcome names on jerseys - as they might get the player on the ball half right the odd time if this went ahead...
no need for them to know their trade and actualy be able to identify a player by sight (most of us without knowledge of a player before a game would recognise them by half time or 45 mins into a match at least)
RTE said on the wireless this morning that this was going ahead. Will the names be in Irish or in the Queens English.
What will be the shortest name, O'Se? Who will have the longest name that won't fit. Stuart McKensie-Smyth?
Am almost certain An Lub had their names on their top in the Ulster minor championship about 15 years ago
with teams being changed right up until the last minute ala Gerlock in his Clare days, it'll have to mean squad numbers as O'Neills struggle to produce a set of jerseys in 6 weeks, let alone 6 days.
I'm not on for it myself as it's just apeing the premiership and rugby.
Wiil the GPA lads be looking a cut of the replica jersey market as well?
Another small step.
QuoteWiil the GPA lads be looking a cut of the replica jersey market as well?
No,
we, sorry, they, the GPA are quite happy to see this being introduced. It makes our work far easier because now we don't have to decide what county players qualify for our generous annual welfare payments, all we have to do now is send a cheque to each county board to be allocated against each name on all jerseys up to number 30. Saves us all the hassle of playing around with names when making payments.
As long as there is no abuse of the replica like for example showing a shot on Crimeline saying "the raider was carrying an axe and was wearing x colour jersey with x persons name on it like the soccer thugs in England then all should be fine. Our overall plan would be to let the GAA insist on this and agree to introduce it first and then when there are about 10 Million Euro worth of them out there we will decide what direction we are going to take - but surely you can guess.
I don't understand this at all. Why in God's name would they need the names on the back. Is a foot high number not enough to tell people apart? The ref and any commentator will have the list of numbers with the names beside it. Surely it's not that hard to check.
And like mentioned earlier does this mean an end to 1-15 lining out? ( I know there's the odd late replacement) Are we going to get player's requesting certain numbers now for the season? Madness.
From the Belfast Telegraph :P
QuoteGAA looks ready to go professional
Friday, 8 January 2010
Gaelic Athletic Association, for an amateur organisation, bears all the hallmarks of one that is simply ready to go professional.
With Croke Park now a world-class stadium generating revenue from numerous income streams, surely the environment is now right for the GAA to go professional at inter-county level at least.
The format that would enable the GAA to evolve is straightforward. With competitions such as the O'Byrne cup in football acting as warm-up competitions as before, a championship season from March through to October would be suitable creating the best conditions weather-wise for football.
The National League and All-Ireland series in its present format in both football and hurling would be scrapped.
The current anomoly in the All-Ireland series in football for example where a team could be knocked out at provincial level, such as Kerry, and go on to win the All-Ireland, whereas a team such as Dublin could win the provincial crown, then lose one game in the All-Ireland series and be knocked out, would be negated.
A championship that would combine the very best of league and championship football would be the best means to enter the professional era. This format would generate sufficient revenue to sustain a professional game at inter-county level, providing the opportunity to raise playing facilities and the standard of play.
RYAN KELLY
Armagh City
I assume it will be county teams only ? Anyway with numbers on the front and back of jerseys is it really required ? Or is it to do with the marketing of players images ?
Quote from: thejuice on January 08, 2010, 05:31:22 PM
From the Belfast Telegraph :P
QuoteGAA looks ready to go professional
Friday, 8 January 2010
Gaelic Athletic Association, for an amateur organisation, bears all the hallmarks of one that is simply ready to go professional.
With Croke Park now a world-class stadium generating revenue from numerous income streams, surely the environment is now right for the GAA to go professional at inter-county level at least.
The format that would enable the GAA to evolve is straightforward. With competitions such as the O'Byrne cup in football acting as warm-up competitions as before, a championship season from March through to October would be suitable creating the best conditions weather-wise for football.
The National League and All-Ireland series in its present format in both football and hurling would be scrapped.
The current anomoly in the All-Ireland series in football for example where a team could be knocked out at provincial level, such as Kerry, and go on to win the All-Ireland, whereas a team such as Dublin could win the provincial crown, then lose one game in the All-Ireland series and be knocked out, would be negated.
A championship that would combine the very best of league and championship football would be the best means to enter the professional era. This format would generate sufficient revenue to sustain a professional game at inter-county level, providing the opportunity to raise playing facilities and the standard of play.
RYAN KELLY
Armagh City
Is that a journalists piece or a letter??
Quote from: boojangles on January 08, 2010, 05:43:16 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 08, 2010, 05:31:22 PM
From the Belfast Telegraph :P
QuoteGAA looks ready to go professional
Friday, 8 January 2010
Gaelic Athletic Association, for an amateur organisation, bears all the hallmarks of one that is simply ready to go professional.
With Croke Park now a world-class stadium generating revenue from numerous income streams, surely the environment is now right for the GAA to go professional at inter-county level at least.
The format that would enable the GAA to evolve is straightforward. With competitions such as the O'Byrne cup in football acting as warm-up competitions as before, a championship season from March through to October would be suitable creating the best conditions weather-wise for football.
The National League and All-Ireland series in its present format in both football and hurling would be scrapped.
The current anomoly in the All-Ireland series in football for example where a team could be knocked out at provincial level, such as Kerry, and go on to win the All-Ireland, whereas a team such as Dublin could win the provincial crown, then lose one game in the All-Ireland series and be knocked out, would be negated.
A championship that would combine the very best of league and championship football would be the best means to enter the professional era. This format would generate sufficient revenue to sustain a professional game at inter-county level, providing the opportunity to raise playing facilities and the standard of play.
RYAN KELLY
Armagh City
Is that a journalists piece or a letter??
Letter by the looks of things. Think the same numpty was in Off the Fence in the IN this week talking shite about Man Utd.
If it's simply about helping to identify players, then surely a big picture of the player's face on the front of the jersey would be far, far more effective.
You could even put a picture of the back of their head on the back of the jersey. This might help with fireheads and baldies.
Quote from: Bud Wiser on January 08, 2010, 01:12:43 PM
RTE said on the wireless this morning that this was going ahead. Will the names be in Irish or in the Queens English.
What will be the shortest name, O'Se? Who will have the longest name that won't fit. Stuart McKensie-Smyth?
Great footballer! Took Darren Fay on a tour of Croke Park in 2003. Kildare's slump in the middle of the last decade coincided with McKenzie-Smith going off to play for London. :D
One of the things I have against this is that scoring forwards will become the most popular buy when it comes to supporters selecting jerseys. Most all of our lads like Henry Shefflin or indeed any player is always gracious enough to say in a post match interview that "it was a team effort, etc"
The introduction of this soccer type effort will result in less well known players in a county squad feeling that they are not as much acknowledged by their supporters as others. The reason it does not apply in soccer is simply because soccer players are paid so for example if Ronaldo, when he was playing with Utd, sold out all his shirts Gary Neville down the back didn't care because he was happy on £150, 000 a week.
Is this where we are heading? I am not surprised this announcement came so soon after the agreement between Duffy, Cooney and the GPA. Will replica jerseys with the players names on them be released to the general public.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on January 08, 2010, 10:15:10 PM
If it's simply about helping to identify players, then surely a big picture of the player's face on the front of the jersey would be far, far more effective.
You could even put a picture of the back of their head on the back of the jersey. This might help with fireheads and baldies.
numbers are bad enough but names would surely be discriminatory against dyslexic refs
bad enough that some of them are already half blind or dont know the rules (or both) but those that have difficulties in reading are going to have to retire
;)
For Intercounty games, is there not a 4th ofifcal or someone assessing the referee?
On programmes the team is given with corresponding numbers. It shouldn't be that difficult to idenify players even i they gave a false name. It doesn't make sense.
Quote from: Celt_Man on January 08, 2010, 12:07:40 PM
'Going forward it's something we might look at,' Duffy told the Examiner.
That's a long way from introducing such a thing but sure it's another opening for the usual suspects to get stuck into the GPA ::) :D
Quote from: Rossfan on January 09, 2010, 03:40:00 PM
Quote from: Celt_Man on January 08, 2010, 12:07:40 PM
'Going forward it's something we might look at,' Duffy told the Examiner.
That's a long way from introducing such a thing but sure it's another opening for the usual suspects to get stuck into the GPA ::) :D
Going forward I hope he stops saying 'going forward'.
Quote from: Celt_Man on January 08, 2010, 12:25:56 PM
Quote from: An Laoch on January 08, 2010, 12:20:42 PM
Don't see anything there about Canning being against it. He clearly indicates it doesn't matter to him.
Headline writers should be sent out to grit the roads naked.
I think its a good idea to put the names on shirts.
It seems he isn't for it but won't lose any sleep over it whatever way it goes
Quote from: Celt_Man on January 08, 2010, 12:08:22 PM
...the Galway sharpshooter said: "I'd rather just come off the field and be the same as everyone and not many people know you and you can walk around and live a normal life.
"If it is in, it is in. If it is not, it's not. It is not a big deal for me anyway."
I know Hurling is different with the helmets but I wouldn't like to see names on the back of some of the egos jerseys. I reckon it could lead to all kinds of soccer-esque celebrations - after scoring pointing to your name etc - which isn't the GAA at all
if they wanted to do soccer esque celebrations now, they could, nothing stopping them except the idea of being made look like an eejit.
if it "isnt the gaa at all", then they wont do it surely
Quote from: Rossfan on January 09, 2010, 03:40:00 PM
Quote from: Celt_Man on January 08, 2010, 12:07:40 PM
'Going forward it's something we might look at,' Duffy told the Examiner.
That's a long way from introducing such a thing but sure it's another opening for the usual suspects to get stuck into the GPA ::) :D
" That's a long way from introducing such a thing but sure it's another opening for the usual suspects to get stuck into the GPA "
:) ;D Indeed, the slightest opportunity and we open fire, all guns blazing at the smallest little target that appears, myself being one with the finger on the trigger all the time.
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 08, 2010, 04:56:33 PM
I don't understand this at all. Why in God's name would they need the names on the back. Is a foot high number not enough to tell people apart? The ref and any commentator will have the list of numbers with the names beside it. Surely it's not that hard to check.
And like mentioned earlier does this mean an end to 1-15 lining out? ( I know there's the odd late replacement) Are we going to get player's requesting certain numbers now for the season? Madness.
exactly what i was thinking
Quote from: Take Your Points on January 09, 2010, 08:24:46 AM
Further nonsense being brought onboard by those running the GAA. Things have gone downhill since Mulvihill retired, he was a voice of sense and reason, less likely to follow latest trends while respecting tradition and heritage.
Very true, time to put Duffy back in the office doing what he should be doing and not courting publicity at every opportunity with his idiotic ideas.
Did anybody hear the wondeful suggestion made by Marty Morrisey in his interview with our publicity seeking DG when they were discussing the names on the jerseys? He suggested that not that all hurlers have to wear helmets would the GAA consider numbering the helmets for the commentators in the birds nest
Quote from: antoinse on January 09, 2010, 06:31:25 PM
Did anybody hear the wondeful suggestion made by Marty Morrisey in his interview with our publicity seeking DG when they were discussing the names on the jerseys? He suggested that not that all hurlers have to wear helmets would the GAA consider numbering the helmets for the commentators in the birds nest
Should be told it doesnt matter, we're use to them getting players names wrong and mixed up.
Quote from: johnneycool on January 08, 2010, 03:17:39 PMI'm not on for it myself as it's just apeing the premiership and rugby.
Because the Premiership and rugby were the first ones to put names on the back of jersies ???
Tis all about geansai selling. Can't see the problem myself. Yellow cards, sponsorship, yer man with the injury time, red boots....it started a long time ago.
Quote from: The Forfeit Point on January 09, 2010, 05:23:16 PM
Quote from: Celt_Man on January 08, 2010, 12:25:56 PM
Quote from: An Laoch on January 08, 2010, 12:20:42 PM
Don't see anything there about Canning being against it. He clearly indicates it doesn't matter to him.
Headline writers should be sent out to grit the roads naked.
I think its a good idea to put the names on shirts.
It seems he isn't for it but won't lose any sleep over it whatever way it goes
Quote from: Celt_Man on January 08, 2010, 12:08:22 PM
...the Galway sharpshooter said: "I'd rather just come off the field and be the same as everyone and not many people know you and you can walk around and live a normal life.
"If it is in, it is in. If it is not, it's not. It is not a big deal for me anyway."
I know Hurling is different with the helmets but I wouldn't like to see names on the back of some of the egos jerseys. I reckon it could lead to all kinds of soccer-esque celebrations - after scoring pointing to your name etc - which isn't the GAA at all
if they wanted to do soccer esque celebrations now, they could, nothing stopping them except the idea of being made look like an eejit.
if it "isnt the gaa at all", then they wont do it surely
Thats a bit of a silly argument in fairness. . . people said Joe Brolly's kissing to the crowd 'wasn't GAA' What is that defined as anyway. I thought it was the funniest most entertaining thing I'd ever seen on a GAA pitch and it still is to my mind.
Conor Mortimer was able to have his 'ode to MJ' this year as well I really don't think putting numbers on jersies make a difference d**kheads will still be d**kheads!
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 10, 2010, 07:59:41 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on January 08, 2010, 03:17:39 PMI'm not on for it myself as it's just apeing the premiership and rugby.
Because the Premiership and rugby were the first ones to put names on the back of jersies ???
teddy roosevelt asked the powers that be in american football to put the names on the back as fellas were gettign away with dirty hits !
How about putting just the christian name on the back, plus the intial of the last name maybe as well?
Its not broke, leave it as it is
Fairly hard to id the Tipperary hurlers with alot of them wearing the yellow helmets.
Quote from: Canalman on January 11, 2010, 04:08:16 PM
Fairly hard to id the Tipperary hurlers with alot of them wearing the yellow helmets.
I'm not taking the mickey but whats wrong with using the players number and making more use of the linesmen and umpires, surely the number would be larger on the back of the jersey than their name.
Quote from: AidyMac on January 08, 2010, 02:49:10 PM
Am almost certain An Lub had their names on their top in the Ulster minor championship about 15 years ago
Correct, played against them in Ballinascreen one day and a certain Mc Cloy fellow, so it said on his jersey above the number, had plenty of time to read it as i was running after him most of the game!
Quote from: ONeill on January 10, 2010, 10:52:05 PM
Tis all about geansai selling. Can't see the problem myself. Yellow cards, sponsorship, yer man with the injury time, red boots....it started a long time ago.
That's a great idea.
You could have the Colmans Mustard yellow card and a Ferrari Red card. The Gaa would make a fortune.
Quote from: muppet on January 13, 2010, 06:55:42 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 10, 2010, 10:52:05 PM
Tis all about geansai selling. Can't see the problem myself. Yellow cards, sponsorship, yer man with the injury time, red boots....it started a long time ago.
That's a great idea.
You could have the Colmans Mustard yellow card and a Ferrari Red card. The Gaa would make a fortune.
tyrone would make the GAA a fortune,with all the cards they get. ;D ;D
Quote from: Dougal on January 13, 2010, 08:21:52 PM
tyrone would make the GAA a fortune,with all the cards they get. ;D ;D
and still playing late into the summer ;)