Been very little talk about this, with the International Rules off you'd think there'd be more interest...
Ulster face Leinster at Crossmaglen on Saturday at 2.30pm
Munster and Connacht at the Gaelic Grounds later that evening.
Kernan keen for Ulster to show class
Oct 20, 2009
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Having got off the mark with Galway, Joe Kernan's attentions have returned to his native province as he gears up for Ulster's tilt at the Inter-Provincial championship, a campaign that gets underway with a semi-final against Leinster this Saturday.
Former Armagh boss Kernan - who saw over Galway's FBD League final win in New Yorl last week - takes charge of Ulster for the game and has been very pro-active in preparation as he looks to show the country that just because Ulster have won nothing at senor national level this year, that does no mean they have gone away.
Kernan is pleased that, although Munster kingpins Kerry and Cork dominated the All-Ireland football championship in 2009, there were still two All Stars handed out to Ulster men with Donegal's Karl Lacey and Tyrone's Stephen O'Neill receiving awards, while Tír Chonnaill front man Michael Murphy was named the Young Footballer of the year on the back of a fine season in which he scored 0-36 in six Championship outings.
"He is in my squad and he is showing massive potential," Kernan said of 20-year-old Murphy in the Belfast Telegraph.
"It's certainly great from an Ulster perspective that Karl Lacey, who has given the province fine service and Stephen O'Neill, another good ambassador, have won All Star awards.
"We want to go out on Saturday against Leinster and show that Ulster football is in a healthy state even though the Sam Maguire Cup is not in residence here at the moment."
And while he is without a number of instantly recognisable Ulster faces who are still involved in club competition, Kernan has been very impressed by the senior men who he has had at training, men like Down's Benny Coulter, Derry's Paddy Bradley and Tyrone pair Enda McGinley and Kevin Hughes, who he says have all been fist class in their application.
"In the challenge games and training sessions we have held there has been tremendous enthusiasm and commitment shown by the players." he said.
"This is most encouraging. Obviously several players have been involved with their clubs in county championships and others are injured so we have to go with the hand which we are dealt."
Ulster face Leinster at Crossmaglen on Saturday with the other semi-final taking place between Munster and Connacht at the Gaelic Grounds later that evening.
I think you'll find that hardly anyone cares a hoot about this outdated competition. :-\
If they'd market it to half the effort they marketed the International Rules it would help.
Not very much as there's simply NO PUBLIC INTEREST.
A few years ago they played the 2 Finals in Croke Park and geave away thousands of free tickets yet only about 10,000 turned up.
The Inter Pros are and have been dead for decades so let them rest in peace.
Danny Hughes won't be playing for ulster as he's playing a Play off on Friday.
Would a Saturday night under lights not have made more sense, no hope of me getting to the game in Cross now.
Not sure those grounds would be big enough in terms of pitch dimensions Tony. The wembley stands were far enough back from the pitch to accomodate the gaelic pitch.
Enjoy the match on saturday. Should give you another chance to see a few of the Tyrone stars in action once again. ;)
I'm sure I'll go and watch it, watched it in Enniskillen a few years back and the standard of football was superb. Very strong looking Ulster panel.
QuoteDanny Hughes won't be playing for ulster as he's playing a Play off on Friday.
Doubt he would have been playing anyway.
When's the last time provinces put out a full strength team?
The interest has waned so much that players who haven't even played intercounty were getting on the interprovincial teams.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 21, 2009, 01:26:42 PM
I'm sure I'll go and watch it, watched it in Enniskillen a few years back and the standard of football was superb. Very strong looking Ulster panel.
Where can I see the Ulster panel??
Quote from: T Fearon on October 21, 2009, 03:33:49 PM
I have to confess, in 35 years of active gaeldom, I have never yet attended an interprovincial tie.
I do recall that the finals used to be played on St Patrick's Day with live tv coverage and I recall a cracking game between Ulster and Leinster at Breffni Park in the early 80s which went to extra time with both sides laden with the top players of the time, really slugging it out.
I used to go with the auld boy during the mid 90s to these games. Cavan would always have 3 or 4 (more sometimes) on the Ulster teams, the matches were very enjoyable and always were well attended as far as I can recall... how times have changes... would be surprised if there are 2 cavan boys on the panel
Ulster Team
J Devine (Tyrone),
R McCluskey (Fermanagh),
Justin McMahon (Tyrone),
G O'Kane (Derry,
A Kernan (Armagh),
C McKeever (Armagh),
D Harte (Tyrone),
D Gordon (Down),
K Hughes (Tyrone),
P Finlay (Monaghan),
B Coulter (Down),
Joe McMahon (Tyrone),
P Bradley (Derry),
S O'Neill (Tyrone),
M Murphy (Donegal).
Stephen O'Neill will captain the team in Crossmaglen.....
Quote from: Real1995 on October 21, 2009, 08:34:01 PM
Ulster Team
J Devine (Tyrone),
R McCluskey (Fermanagh),
Justin McMahon (Tyrone),
G O'Kane (Derry,
A Kernan (Armagh),
C McKeever (Armagh),
D Harte (Tyrone),
D Gordon (Down),
K Hughes (Tyrone),
P Finlay (Monaghan),
B Coulter (Down),
Joe McMahon (Tyrone),
P Bradley (Derry),
S O'Neill (Tyrone),
M Murphy (Donegal).
Stephen O'Neill will captain the team in Crossmaglen.....
Thats a fair good full forward line!
Quote from: Real1995 on October 21, 2009, 08:34:01 PM
Ulster Team
J Devine (Tyrone),
R McCluskey (Fermanagh),
Justin McMahon (Tyrone),
G O'Kane (Derry,
A Kernan (Armagh),
C McKeever (Armagh),
D Harte (Tyrone),
D Gordon (Down),
K Hughes (Tyrone),
P Finlay (Monaghan),
B Coulter (Down),
Joe McMahon (Tyrone),
P Bradley (Derry),
S O'Neill (Tyrone),
M Murphy (Donegal).
Stephen O'Neill will captain the team in Crossmaglen.....
Flip me that is some team!!
At least O'Neill is doing his bit to promote the game unlike the GAA - not a word about it otherwise
O'Neill talks up interprovincialsAhead of the commencement this weekend of this year's inter-provincial football competition, multi-decorated Tyrone attacker Stephen O'Neill has spoken of his pride in running out onto the field in an Ulster jersey.
"I've one medal won in Paris in 2004," O'Neill explained.
"It would be nice to win another and Crossmaglen is as good a place as anywhere to get things underway on Saturday.
"I first played in the competition in 2001 and I have always enjoyed playing for Ulster and always found the Railway Cup very competitive and good to be involved in.
"I think it is a great competition and it is not very often that you get to play with other players from other counties.
Yep, SoN is captain.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8319544.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8319544.stm)
Can anyone post the full Ulster panel please?
Quote from: Real1995 on October 21, 2009, 08:34:01 PM
Ulster Team
J Devine (Tyrone),
R McCluskey (Fermanagh),
Justin McMahon (Tyrone),
G O'Kane (Derry,
A Kernan (Armagh),
C McKeever (Armagh),
D Harte (Tyrone),
D Gordon (Down),
K Hughes (Tyrone),
P Finlay (Monaghan),
B Coulter (Down),
Joe McMahon (Tyrone),
P Bradley (Derry),
S O'Neill (Tyrone),
M Murphy (Donegal).
Stephen O'Neill will captain the team in Crossmaglen.....
No Cavan Players?
f**k it
Best of luck to Leinster. :)
The fact there's no Antrim players on that despite them getting to the provincial final is ridiculous.
Quote from: stibhan on October 22, 2009, 02:10:32 AM
The fact there's no Antrim players on that despite them getting to the provincial final is ridiculous.
There will be no St Galls players available, who else would you put on and in place of who?
Quote from: Doire abú on October 21, 2009, 11:57:15 PM
Can anyone post the full Ulster panel please?
Ulster Team and Substitutes1. John Devine (Tyrone)
2. Ryan McCluskey (Fermanagh)
3. Justin McMahon (Tyrone)
4. Gary O'Kane (Derry)
5. Aaron Kernan (Armagh)
6. Ciaran McKeever (Armagh)
7. Davey Harte (Tyrone)
8. Dan Gordon (Down)
9. Kevin Hughes (Tyrone)
10. Paul Finlay (Monaghan)
11. Brendan Coulter (Down)
12. Joe McMahon (Tyrone)
13. Paddy Bradley (Derry)
14. Steven O'Neill (Tyrone)
15. Martin Murphy (Donegal)
Substitutes
16. Pascal McConnell (Tyrone)
17. Brendan Donaghy (Armagh)
18. Daniel Hughes (Down)
19. Raymond Flanagan (Cavan)
20. Enda McGinley (Tyrone)
21. Michael McCann (Antrim)
22. Tomas Freeman (Monaghan)
23. Conor Gormley (Tyrone)
24. Karl Lacey (Donegal)
QuoteWhat would be your best Ulster XV currently and how many are likely to feature on Saturday.
The likes of Cavanagh, O'Neill, Gormley, Lacey, Murphy, Paddy Bradley, Coulter, Stevie Mc Donnell, Ciaran Mc Keever, would be practical certainties. Who else.
Ulster Team and Substitutes
1. Ronan Gallagher (Fermanagh)
2. Karl Lacey (Donegal)
3. Justin McMahon (Tyrone)
4. Gerard O'Kane (Derry)
5. Aaron Kernan (Armagh)
6. Conor Gormley(Tyrone)
7. Philly Jordan (Tyrone)
8. Sean Cavanagh (Tyrone)
9. Enda McGinley (Tyrone)
10. Enda Muldoon (Derry)
11. Brendan Coulter (Down)
12. Joe McMahon (Tyrone)
13. Paddy Bradley (Derry)
14. Steven O'Neill (Tyrone)
15. Ronan Clarke(Armagh)
Thats the team I would pick if everyone was available. Surprised Enda McGinley, Karl Lacey and Conor Gormley aren't starting. Feargal Doherty would also be a good option at 8 or 9, while the like of Eoin Bradley, Eoin Mulligan, Michael Murphy and Tommy Freeman would be pushing for starting spots in the forward line. If Dooher was available and fit he would be in at number 10. As for Antrim, who would you put in ahead of any of the above starting lineup?
Not a peep of the Leinster squad, never mind team. No wonder Donnelly is thinking of pulling the plug...
Quote from: Carbery on October 22, 2009, 09:19:36 AM
Quote from: Doire abú on October 21, 2009, 11:57:15 PM
Can anyone post the full Ulster panel please?
Ulster Team and Substitutes
1. John Devine (Tyrone)
2. Ryan McCluskey (Fermanagh)
3. Justin McMahon (Tyrone)
4. Gary O'Kane (Derry) Who is this Gary O'Kane chap?
5. Aaron Kernan (Armagh)
6. Ciaran McKeever (Armagh)
7. Davey Harte (Tyrone)
8. Dan Gordon (Down)
9. Kevin Hughes (Tyrone)
10. Paul Finlay (Monaghan)
11. Brendan Coulter (Down)
12. Joe McMahon (Tyrone)
13. Paddy Bradley (Derry)
14. Steven O'Neill (Tyrone)
15. Martin Murphy (Donegal) Never heard o' Martin Murphy....
Substitutes
16. Pascal McConnell (Tyrone)
17. Brendan Donaghy (Armagh)
18. Daniel Hughes (Down)
19. Raymond Flanagan (Cavan)
20. Enda McGinley (Tyrone)
21. Michael McCann (Antrim)
22. Tomas Freeman (Monaghan)
23. Conor Gormley (Tyrone)
24. Karl Lacey (Donegal)
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 22, 2009, 09:52:48 AM
Not a peep of the Leinster squad, never mind team. No wonder Donnelly is thinking of pulling the plug...
Connaughton in goal, Bernard Brogan, Ross McConnell, Paddy Andrews, Dean Rock & Philly McMahaon from Dublin - most of the Dublin panel are away this weekend - haven't heard any other names..
My Choice would be....
1. John Devine (Tyrone)
2. Karl Lacey (Donegal)
3. Justin McMahon (Tyrone)
4. Gerard O'Kane (Derry)
5. Aaron Kernan (Armagh)
6. Ciaran McKeever (Armagh)
7. Philly Jordan (Tyrone)
8. Sean Cavanagh (Tyrone)
9. Fergal Doherty (Derry)
10. Brian Dooher (Tyrone)
11. Brendan Coulter (Down)
12. Paul Finlay (Monaghan)
13. Paddy Bradley (Derry)
14. Ronan Clarke(Armagh)
15. Steven O'Neill (Tyrone)
Think I'll do what big Joe says and head myself
Kernan calls on fans to get (to) Cross
22 October 2009
As he named his side, Ulster interprovincial football boss Joe Kernan has called on supporters to support his team in force this Saturday when Leinster come calling to Crossmaglen.
Kernan is acutely conscious of the poor attendances which continue to undermine the credibility of the competition but he feels taking the game to his own home patch should boost the numbers who turn up this weekend.
"There has always been good support in the area for the competition and I hope Ulster gaels will come," the new Galway team-manager said.
"The pitch is perfect, it's two or three yards wider than Croke Park, so we are hoping for a big crowd and it would give the competition a lift.
"Martin Donnelly (sponsor) has kept the competition alive and Christy Cooney wants to keep it going as well.
"Hopefully there will be a good turnout for Saturday - all we want now is a dry day."
Ulster (v Leinster); J Devine; R McCluskey, Justin McMahon, G O'Kane; A Kernan, C McKeever, D Harte; D Gordon, K Hughes: P Finlay, B Coulter, Joe McMahon; P Bradley, S O'Neill, M Murphy.
Joe definitely deserves support, he has been very vocal in his praise of the competition. O'Neill's comments are refreshing too and highlights that the players do take this seriously. Something still seems to be lacking from the GAA hierarchy in terms of support though.
Thats a great Ulster side selected and I hope they get a good turnout. Sat meant to be a very poor day weather wise though.
Definitely think James Loughrey deserved a place on the panel after his season.
Might head down to Ruislip for it. Especially Leinster are there and Meath get some representation.
Leinster Team, Squad and Management
Team
1.Gary Connaughton WestMeath
2 Ciaran Hyland Wicklow
3 Philip Mc Mahon Dublin
4 Emmet Bolton Kildare
5 Ger Brennan Dublin
6 Brian Flanagan Kildare
7 Seamus Kenny Meath
8 Dermot Early (Capt) Kildare
9 John O Loughlin Laois
10 Paul Flynn Dublin
11 Joe Sheridan Meath
12 Billy Sheenan Laois
13 Denis Glennon WestMeath
14 Dean Rock Dublin
15 Bernard Brogan Dublin
16 Anthony Masterson Wexford
17 Denis Bastick Dublin
18 Alan Hubbard Dublin
19 Brian Malone Wexford
20 Ross Mc Connell Dublin
21 Jason Sherlock Dublin
22 Peadar Byrne Meath
23 Paul Earls Wicklow
24 Jamie Queeney Meath
Manager Paul Caffrey Dublin
Selectors Donal Curtis Meath
Kevin O Brien Wicklow
Trainer Paul Clarke Dublin
Quote from: Dinny Breen on October 23, 2009, 11:29:23 AM
Leinster Team, Squad and Management
Team
1.Gary Connaughton WestMeath
2 Ciaran Hyland Wicklow
3 Philip Mc Mahon Dublin
4 Emmet Bolton Kildare
5 Ger Brennan Dublin
6 Brian Flanagan Kildare
7 Seamus Kenny Meath
8 Dermot Early (Capt) Kildare
9 John O Loughlin Laois
10 Paul Flynn Dublin
11 Joe Sheridan Meath
12 Billy Sheenan Laois
13 Denis Glennon WestMeath
14 Dean Rock Dublin
15 Bernard Brogan Dublin
16 Anthony Masterson Wexford
17 Denis Bastick Dublin
18 Alan Hubbard Dublin
19 Brian Malone Wexford
20 Ross Mc Connell Dublin
21 Jason Sherlock Dublin
22 Peadar Byrne Meath
23 Paul Earls Wicklow
24 Jamie Queeney Meath
Manager Paul Caffrey Dublin
Selectors Donal Curtis Meath
Kevin O Brien Wicklow
Trainer Paul Clarke Dublin
I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that:
Mc Mahon wasn't even on the dublin panel this year- (should have been though)
Dean Rock is a future star- but he has never played championship at senior level for Dublin.
Paul Flynn is nowhere near Leinster material.
Billy Sheehan doesn't even start for Laois
Will be tanked. Just no interest in Leinster for this- probably shows the state of football in the province. Alan Brogan and Co are on a stag anyway as is most of the dublin team.
Interprovincials should just be scrapped.
I was half thinking of going up to watch this but not with that team, especially the backs against the forwards that Kernan has selected, it'll be a whitewash...
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 23, 2009, 12:07:21 PM
I was half thinking of going up to watch this but not with that team, especially the backs against the forwards that Kernan has selected, it'll be a whitewash...
Ulster lads really like playing for their province. Leinster players couldn't be arsed it seems. When leinster are throwing out that standard of a team- its time to pull the plug or Leinster should just pull out and let the others play. The management (leinster) trawled the province but just found no interest really.
I heard Senan Kilbride is our only rep on a Connacht Squad.
I hope the Ennis Road can cope with the thousands coming from Connacht tonight ::)
No-show from Kerry defended
23 October 2009
Munster manager Ger O'Sullivan has denied that Kerry have given the thumbs-down to the M Donnelly Inter-provincial championships.
The denial comes in the wake of the fact that none of the Kingdom's players that started the All-Ireland final will feature against Connacht in the competition this weekend.
"It's unfortunate for us that Kerry made the All-Ireland final and put off most of their county championship until after that," said Corkman O'Sullivan in the Irish Star.
"There are players involved in the county final which is coming up soon, and others have big matches like relegation play-offs to worry about.
"But the players love this competition. We won it last year for the first time since 1999 and the time before that was '82 so there isn't that many Munster players going around with medals in their pockets."
Kerry have just one player, Padraig Reidy, on the Munster team to face Connacht in tomorrow's (Saturday) inter-prov semi-final at the Gaelic Grounds.
The Kingdom's only other representative on the squad is Sean O'Sullivan; like Reidy, an unused sub in the final win over Cork.
Munster (v Connacht) - P Fitzgerald; T O'Gorman, J McCarthy, P Reidy; M O'Gorman, M Shields, J Miskella; A O'Connor, R Costigan; P Kelly, D O'Connor, P Kerrigan; G Hurney, C O'Neill, L O Lionnain.
Quote from: SambaSaffron on October 22, 2009, 01:59:48 PM
Definitely think James Loughrey deserved a place on the panel after his season.
And 1 for that.
Joe Sheridan has a County final to play this weekend, doubtful that he'll be playing Saturday.
Is pillar taking the piss with that team?
Quote from: Aghdavoyle on October 23, 2009, 03:01:09 PM
Is pillar taking the piss with that team?
What can he do? Dublin's best players bar bernard brogan are on a stag. The meath final is on sunday and the rest of the players couldn't be arsed.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2009, 04:05:20 PM
Quote from: Aghdavoyle on October 23, 2009, 03:01:09 PM
Is pillar taking the piss with that team?
What can he do? Dublin's best players bar bernard brogan are on a stag. The meath final is on sunday and the rest of the players couldn't be arsed.
Paddy Andrews was to start only he broke his hand the other day.
Joke of a team, it's really a kick in the arse for Martin Donnelly (and the players who've made themselves available) who by all accounts is a very decent bloke and is getting nothing but two fingers from the powers that be with how they handle this jokeshop of a competition on an annual basis.
Dublin subs - and indeed one who wasn't on the panel - are better than starting county players from other counties?
off the top of my head, where's paddy keenan, mark ward, anthony moyles, james kavanagh, gary white, johnny doyle, leighton glynn, dessie dolan, thomas walsh, either barden, McNamee, etc?
Quote from: Aghdavoyle on October 23, 2009, 04:26:22 PM
Dublin subs - and indeed one who wasn't on the panel - are better than starting county players from other counties?
off the top of my head, where's paddy keenan, mark ward, anthony moyles, james kavanagh, gary white, johnny doyle, leighton glynn, dessie dolan, thomas walsh, either barden, McNamee, etc?
Clearly they aren't, but have a check through that list and see who's available this weekend before you castigate Pillar..
Are Connacht fielding or are we being really cute hoors by keeping our team selection to ourselves. Way to promote the interpros guys!
Quote from: thejuice on October 23, 2009, 02:11:22 PM
Joe Sheridan has a County final to play this weekend, doubtful that he'll be playing Saturday.
Is the Meath final definitely on now?
Saenie,
Saw this on stolensheep ...
Full Connacht Squad :
Mayo
David Clarke
Peadar Gardiner
Ronan McGarrity
Alan Dillon
Barry Moran
Aidan O'Shea
Donal Vaughan
Galway
Adrian Finnerty
Diarmuid Blake
Gareth Bradshaw
Joe Bergin
Damien Burke
Declan Meehan
Nicky Joyce
Sligo
Charles Harrison
Noel Maguire
David Kelly
Johnny Davey
Mark Brehony
Sean Davey
Adrian Marren
Leitrim
John McKeon
Declan Maxwell
James Glancy
and finally the ROSCOMMON "List" !
Senan Kilbride
today at 2.30 in Cross
hopefully that rain stops, or numbers will really be down. any ideas the adm for today?? should be a handy enough win for ulster today, on paper anyway
No real buzz about this game today i think it should be a good game of football , The GAA are not promoting it well?
Anybody doing updates?
Quote from: ExiledGael on October 23, 2009, 06:55:06 PM
Quote from: thejuice on October 23, 2009, 02:11:22 PM
Joe Sheridan has a County final to play this weekend, doubtful that he'll be playing Saturday.
Is the Meath final definitely on now?
It's on next Sunday
Quote from: bridgegael on October 24, 2009, 10:38:25 AM
hopefully that rain stops, or numbers will really be down. any ideas the adm for today?? should be a handy enough win for ulster today, on paper anyway
Admission is £10
I see Caffrey has picked two fella's from dublin to play for leinster who aren't even in the Dublin squad.
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on October 24, 2009, 02:03:02 PM
I see Caffrey has picked two fella's from dublin to play for leinster who aren't even in the Dublin squad.
thats incorrect -they are in the new squad. But I agree -their selection for the interprovincial side is a laugh.
A good win for Ulster but a bad day for a game of football,Ulster had too much up forward .
From a Down point of view Benny played well Dan got a half and Danny hughes did well from the bench.
Braved the weather to head into this. Wind prevented any kind of normal game developing, the team with the wind dominating in each half. Ulster just made better of their advantage. Was a fairly tame affair until things got a bit niggly with about 20 minutes to go which made for a bit of a game. Decent enough entertainment considering the weather.
In the first half against the wind Ulster were poor all over the field, only really Harte, O'Kane and Murphy doing much. Earley destroyed them at midfield and the FB line of McMahon and Donaghy looked dodgy, Donaghy made a big mistake letting a ball bounch over his head for Leinster's goal. Brogan looked sharp for Leinster, and Rock was excellent from frees.
Second half was the complete opposite and was nearly totally played in Leinster's half. Ulster got on top at midfield with Hughes impressing after an awful first half, and a number of their forwards started to click. Coulter came into it when he went into the FF line, Bradley started to do things and scored a great point from a sideline, and the pick of the bunch for me was Finlay helping out at midfield and scoring a point or two. Gormley came on to hit a huge point from about 55 yards, probably the score of the game.
Did O'Neill play?
Yeah, he was at full forward, then switched to the corner. He was quiet enough though.
There wasn't much bite to it, apart from McKeever and Ger Brennan. Two strong boys, but Brennan is very loose imo
Was a poor game even considering the terrible conditions, but mildly entertaining. Hard to pick any stand outs, but Kevin Hughes would get my MOTM by default, he had the touch of a baby giraffe at times but he kept plugging away even when it was going against him, scored two great points from play in the second half as well. Out of our 1.14 I can think of only 5 points from play?? which tells a story in itself.
AFS - have to take issue with Early destroying them?? He caught maybe 1 ball, contributed very little imo.
Donaghy had an awful time of it at corner back, McCluskey looked far more assured when he came on at HT. Ciaran McKeever was solid, a complete knave, but I'd rather have him with us than against us. Aaron did ok as well, good point. Hughes from Down played well when introduced. O'Kane in the other corner back position grew into the game as well.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 24, 2009, 05:15:29 PM
AFS - have to take issue with Early destroying them?? He caught maybe 1 ball, contributed very little imo.
Yeah maybe destroyed is too strong a word, but Ulster were hopeless at midfield in the first half and I thought Earley was Leinster's top man around the middle.
If anything was destroying either side at midfield, it was the wind.
Quote from: AFS on October 24, 2009, 05:24:10 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 24, 2009, 05:15:29 PM
AFS - have to take issue with Early destroying them?? He caught maybe 1 ball, contributed very little imo.
Yeah maybe destroyed is too strong a word, but Ulster were hopeless at midfield in the first half and I thought Earley was Leinster's top man around the middle.
If anything was destroying either side at midfield, it was the wind.
Think you're right about that. Very easy to look like you're dominating the middle when the breeze is blowing the kick outs back on top of the half back line. Earley just punched them down and Paul Flynn in particular was reading things well. Wasn't impressed with Davy Harte today at all, couldn't get to grips with the wind and gave the ball away a lot. John O'Loughlin was pretty poor at midfield for Dublin and was replaced by Ross McConnell. Joe Sheridan got the goal and a few excellent frees.
Hughes definitely got on top second half but again the wind was a major factor, he hit two nice points though another few terrible efforts.
Leinster scored once in the second half and it was a Sheridan free from 40 yards against the breeze, probably as well struck a free as I've ever seen. Even 21 yard frees were tough facing the wind. Sheridan's goal came from terrible misread by Donaghy who let the ball bounce over him.
Ciaran McKeever definitely helped things get heated at the end but it done no harm. Benny seemed really pissed off all day too whoever was annoying him, and he spent quite a bit of time chasing the ref complaining about off the ball stuff.
Joe McMahon's early goal was crucial against the wind and Bradley tapped over everything from frees in second half. Justin McMahon was very assured in defence and Conor Gormlley came on to hit a belter late on when the tide had well and truly turned.
Only five quid in and probably two or three thousand there which isn't bad considering the shocking weather up here all day.
how did the leinster player get on?
Quote from: ExiledGael on October 24, 2009, 05:34:56 PM
Leinster scored once in the second half and it was a Sheridan free from 40 yards against the breeze, probably as well struck a free as I've ever seen.
That was an unbelievable score considering some of the other attempts
Weather and sick children stopped me going to watch the match today. From an Armagh view not surprised to see McKeever enjoying himself, every team needs one. Also I think Donaghy is a great player but would never play him in the corner and on a day like today when he has not played any real competitive football in a while was always going to find it tough. He is a half back for me. Glad to hear there was a good crowd. The people of South Armagh seem to be giving the cup more esteem than some other gaa people.
We are all not from south Armagh >:(
Mayobridge is not that far from Armagh and you have a couple of good players. We will adopt you if you want. :D
£5 in ?? It was £9 eventhough the signs said £5. Only 2 turnstiles open as well was a bit of a joke.
Munster through to the final. They beat Connacht 1-16 to 1-13 in Limerick. Not a bad result considering that so few Kerry players were available.
QuoteIn the evening encounter at the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick, Munster edged past Connacht on a scorline of 1-16 to 1-13 to ensure their passage into the decider.
That is all RTE had to say about the game.
Where and when is the final?
Ruislip (2-00pm)
Sunday November 8th.
normal service resumed
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Munster have 4 Waterford and 2 Tipp lads starting and Connacht cant beat them? :o, What was our line up?
Hopefully tg4 show the final live. When you look how strong the ulster team was yesterday I still think there could be life left in this competition if managed right. Best solution I've heard is to play the football final on St Paddys day in Croke Park along with the club football, have the hurling in Thurles with the club hurling. Most people are of work that day already and with the correct marketing could turn into a huge day for the gaa, there would surely be some potential to get tourists to come if done right.
Quote from: Throw ball on October 24, 2009, 06:10:48 PM
Weather and sick children stopped me going to watch the match today. From an Armagh view not surprised to see McKeever enjoying himself, every team needs one. Also I think Donaghy is a great player but would never play him in the corner and on a day like today when he has not played any real competitive football in a while was always going to find it tough. He is a half back for me. Glad to hear there was a good crowd. The people of South Armagh seem to be giving the cup more esteem than some other gaa people.
Always knew you were a fair weather supporter ThrowBall, I was impressed with the number of Tyrone and Derry tops in the stand, it was relatively easy for us Armagh ones, fair play to those who travelled in such rotten conditions. Thought £9 was a bit strong myself. The game was ruined by the weather but there was a fair degree of entertainment. That d*ck Billy Sheehan must've taken something before the game, he couldn't even show the National Anthem any respect running around like an eejit whilst it was being played. The first thing he did in the game was punch Aaron Kernan in the face.
I was impressed with McMahon at FB myself AFS, did well in very testing conditions for a FB. Surprised to see Dan Gordon subbed at HT, as others have said Hughes had a stinker in the first half although he improved in the second. Big Murphy didn't go well and Stephen O'Neill couldn't get into it. Nobody could accuse either side of going through the motions with things getting quite feisty at times.
These Waterford guys are very good players. Waterford did better than Donegal against Cork this year. Also Tipp under 21s very nearly beat the Cork team that went on to will the all Ireland.Wonder will there be more Kerry players availabe for the 8th of November?
That d*ck Billy Sheehan must've taken something before the game[/quote]
Always thought he was a bit of a p***k anytime i have seen him play, especially against ourselves in 06.
Quote from: omagh_gael on October 25, 2009, 08:11:08 PM
That d*ck Billy Sheehan must've taken something before the game
Always thought he was a bit of a p***k anytime i have seen him play, especially against ourselves in 06.
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42 carat w**ker fullstop really.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 25, 2009, 08:22:28 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on October 25, 2009, 08:11:08 PM
That d*ck Billy Sheehan must've taken something before the game
Always thought he was a bit of a p***k anytime i have seen him play, especially against ourselves in 06.
42 carat w**ker fullstop really.
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Agreed. Used to tear around UCD like he owned the place...bigger d*ck when he somehow got to be manager of the freshers....
Quote from: omagh_gael on October 25, 2009, 08:11:08 PM
That d*ck Billy Sheehan must've taken something before the game
Always thought he was a bit of a p***k anytime i have seen him play, especially against ourselves in 06.
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Thought the same myself, he was running about like someone on drugs!! A Few of the ulster lads tried to put manners on him!! Where was Karl Lacey yesterday?
I read that 350 turned up at Páirc na nGael last night for the Munster/Connacht game.
Took in the game on Saturday. Get the whinge in 1st, how do they justify £9 in? I thought they were trying to promote the bloody thing, surely a fiver would hav been more than enough!!
Anyway i thought it was a decent enough game despite the terrible conditions. I suppose you knew that it wasnt going to be a wee run out for eithor team when Sheehan was trying to throw his weight about, he was kicking etc at Aaron before the ball was even thrown in, p@*ck.
Overall Ulsters attack never really got going, especially O'Neill / Murphy / Bradley, although on good day they would probably run riot. Some reports had Hub Hughes playing well, but i actually thoiught he was terrible in the 1st half and very lucky to stay on, he did improve at the end of the match of the match but have to say he was lucky to stay on. Joe McMahon is real unsung hero, the workrate that man has is unreal. The intro of Daniel Hughes was telling, his pace really troubled Leinster.
From an Armagh point of view, i thought Aaron done well, he really is a classy footballer. McKeever, what can i say, the man really is suited to winter football ;), although as someone else said id rather have him. I felt sorry for young Donaghy, he obviously was one of our better performers this year but badly judged 1 ball and it cost him dearly.
On an other note, the respect that the crowd showed all subs that were taken off was commendable, even found myself clapping tyrone players, good to see everyone buying into the whole ulster thing and not just their own county men.
Anyone know what the attendance was? have to say there was a very decent crowd and most people seem to have went away happy, although a liitle cold! 8)
Quote from: border rabbit on October 25, 2009, 10:41:12 PM
Took in the game on Saturday. Get the whinge in 1st, how do they justify £9 in?
£9? Are you serious?
The best footballers in Ulster on view and a few handy Leinster ones and you whinge about being charged £9.
I was covering the Ulster v Leinster game yesterday myself - a good aul match, but still wondering who the hell Philip McMahon is!! No offence to the guy but surely there were alot more lads in Leinster who could have filled the role of full-back. And no Niall McNamee either.
Best part of the day was when the dog ran off with John Devine's kicking tee!!!!!!!!
Good to hear hub had a good game,hopeduli next year he will keep up the good work and get his allstar,very unlucky to miss out this year,think its the only thing missn from his achievments as a player,who knows maybe even a title with his club :)
Ulster-Leinster match report from today's Irish News. Great to see Kevin Hub still knocking over the points! ;D
Teams put wind in the sails of the interpros
From Niall McCoy
THE interprovincial series may still be greeted with a sense of indifference from many players and supporters alike, but if Saturday's clash in Crossmaglen, which saw Ulster qualify for their seventh final in 10 years, is anything to go by, there may be life in the old dog yet.
A sizeable crowd made their way to the south Armagh venue, and the two squads on show somehow managed to put on an entertaining hour's football despite atrocious weather conditions. The wind had dictated that this would be a game of two halves before the ball was even thrown in. Leinster enjoyed the elements in the first half to lead 1-9 to 1-2 at the turn before Joe Kernan's side took full advantage in the second to outscore their opponents 12 points to one.
It was Ulster who grabbed the first, and perhaps the most important, score of the game when Joe McMahon goaled in the fourth minute. A Paul Finlay attempt at a point was held up in the air and, when Michael Murphy broke the ball down when it dropped short, the Tyrone man side-footed the ball to the corner of the net with aplomb.
Leinster's response was rapid, hitting four points in five minutes. Firstly John O'Loughlin curled the ball over the bar after good work from midfield partner Dermot Earley who dispossessed Kevin Hughes. John Devine's resultant kick-out hung in the air and landed back in the arms of centre half-forward Joe Sheridan who pointed, and then Bernard Brogan levelled the scores after good work from the mobile Seamus Kenny. Two minutes later, Brogan grabbed his second score from a free to move Leinster in front for the first time.
Murphy stopped the rot two minutes later when he pointed a 21-yard free – even such seemingly easy tasks were proving demanding in the conditions.
Leinster were soon back in front as Dean Rock, son of Dublin legend Barney, broke the ball ahead of Justin McMahon allowing Paul Flynn to point. And then Rock, who dominated plenty of the pre-match chat due to the fact that he has yet to make his county debut, justified his inclusion with a trio of pointed frees the econd of which was a monster effort in front of the stand. Rock was involved again when Leinster grabbed their only major two minutes before the interval. Brendan Donaghy, a late addition to the side in place of Ryan McCloskey, criminally misread a long ball out of defence which sent the Ballymun man through on goal. He unselfishly squared the ball across goal for Sheridan to palm to the net. There was still time for Paddy Bradley to grab Ulster's first score in 18 minutes when he pointed a free.
McCloskey replaced Donaghy at the break with Dan Gordon coming off for Enda McGinley as Ulster tried to get a foothold in the middle, but a superb Sheridan free after the restart extended the gap to seven once again.
The Seneschalstown player kicked over from 45 yards right into the teeth of the wind. Sadly for Paul Caffrey, his side would not score again. The high quality scoring continued. First, Bradley pointed a sideline ball before Paul Finlay converted a beautiful effort from distance. The points kept coming for Ulster. Benny Coulter grabbed his sole score before Kevin Hughes pointed from close range. Bradley reduced the deficit further before substitute Conor Gormley brought the gap back to two when he boomed over a point that probably hasn't landed yet.
Another Bradley free left the minimum between them before another substitute, Danny Hughes, brought the sides level. Four minutes from time, Ulster were in front for the first time in 46 minutes thanks to Bradley's trusty dead-ball accuracy. Aaron Kernan secured the biggest cheer of the day with a point sandwiched between another Bradley free and a Kevin Hughes score, which left four between them at the end.
Kernan's side will now travel to Ruislip to face Munster on November 8. Saturday's encounter should ensure that some of the indifference may have drifted away before that clash.
MATCH STATS
Ulster: J Devine; B Donaghy, Justin McMahon, G O'Kane; A Kernan (0-1), C McKeever, D Harte; D Gordon, K Hughes (0-2); P Finlay (0-1), B Coulter (0-1), Joe McMahon (1-0); P Bradley (0-6, 0-5 frees, 0-1 sideline), S O'Neill, M Murphy (0-1 free). Subs: E McGinley for Gordon (h-t), R McCloskey for Donaghy (h-t), C Gormley (0-1) for Harte (38), D Hughes (0-1) for Joe McMahon (49), T Freeman for Murphy (56).
Yellow cards: McKeever (31), K Hughes (38), Coulter (42).
Leinster: G Connaughton; C Hyland, P McMahon, E Bolton; G Brennan, B Flanagan, S Kenny; D Earley, J O'Loughlin (0-1); P Flynn (0-1), J Sheridan (1-2), B Sheehan; D Glennon (0-1), D Rock (0-3 frees), B Brogan (0-2, 0-1 free).
Subs: P Byrne for Sheehan (20, blood sub), R McConnell for Sheehan (48), J Sherlock for O'Loughlin (54), P Byrne for Brogan (58).
Yellow cards: Sheehan (2), O'Loughlin (14), Hyland (38).
Referee: V Neary (Mayo)
Joe McMahon and Billy Sheehan/Ger Brennan (not sure which) seemed to get into a bit of a tussle along the far sideline and McMahon definitely threw something into the crowd. Anyone over that side or know if it was one of their boots?
Quality
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on October 25, 2009, 11:13:09 AM
Hopefully tg4 show the final live. When you look how strong the ulster team was yesterday I still think there could be life left in this competition if managed right. Best solution I've heard is to play the football final on St Paddys day in Croke Park along with the club football, have the hurling in Thurles with the club hurling. Most people are of work that day already and with the correct marketing could turn into a huge day for the gaa, there would surely be some potential to get tourists to come if done right.
Does anyone know if tg4 will cover the final live? I see Joe Kernan favours a St Patricks day final along with the club final. Anyone think this could work? I think it may be the only chance of saving the competition and could potentially showcase the gaa further on one of the biggest days in the calender.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on October 26, 2009, 08:40:00 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on October 25, 2009, 11:13:09 AM
Hopefully tg4 show the final live. When you look how strong the ulster team was yesterday I still think there could be life left in this competition if managed right. Best solution I've heard is to play the football final on St Paddys day in Croke Park along with the club football, have the hurling in Thurles with the club hurling. Most people are of work that day already and with the correct marketing could turn into a huge day for the gaa, there would surely be some potential to get tourists to come if done right.
Does anyone know if tg4 will cover the final live? I see Joe Kernan favours a St Patricks day final along with the club final. Anyone think this could work? I think it may be the only chance of saving the competition and could potentially showcase the gaa further on one of the biggest days in the calender.
I don;t agree the county players get enough days out without taking the club out of the equation. Both club finals should be played on the same day in Croke park. Why change something that is a massive success for something thats past its sell by date.
What's this sell by date you speak of Indiana?
If you buy two litres of milk and leave it sitting out beside the fireplace it won't be long going off.
Quote from: ExiledGael on October 26, 2009, 08:46:52 PM
What's this sell by date you speak of Indiana?
If you buy two litres of milk and leave it sitting out beside the fireplace it won't be long going off.
there was 300 at the connacht v munster game. There are thousands who go to the club finals.
Everything has been tried with the inter provincials but the average fan doesn't identify with their province they identify with their club and county and thats it. So its pointless trying to re-vitalise something the public doesn't want.
Munster GAA fans aren't noted for their strength in numbers at any event.
There were at least 2000 in Crossmaglen on probably the worst day I can ever remember for a football match. It's not a massive turn out but I do believe the interest is there, if only for the sheer quality of players on view.
Kernan's passion for the series and a sensible venue probably helped.
Plus we all know that a student one month into a marketing degree could come up with a superior PR programme to that which the GAA have provided for the past 15 years.
If this oul thing is to be maintained then let's have it played at one location over the October Bank holiday weekend and also hold the All Star awards and the Draws for the Championships in the same location the same weekend.
Make it a kind of end of year GAA festival and rotate it around the Counties.
It still wont get crowds as the public are not interested but at least all the GAA top brass will have to attend anyway.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 26, 2009, 08:42:06 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on October 26, 2009, 08:40:00 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on October 25, 2009, 11:13:09 AM
Hopefully tg4 show the final live. When you look how strong the ulster team was yesterday I still think there could be life left in this competition if managed right. Best solution I've heard is to play the football final on St Paddys day in Croke Park along with the club football, have the hurling in Thurles with the club hurling. Most people are of work that day already and with the correct marketing could turn into a huge day for the gaa, there would surely be some potential to get tourists to come if done right.
As mentioned the finals would be played along with the club finals. If anything this would help to promote the club finals with potentially more people watching them. The football finals could be in Croke Park and the hurling finals in Thurles. At the minute only around 30,000 attend the club finals, considering the amount of people out and about on St Patricks day surely with the correct event the gaa could hope to at least double this. Would be great to have the very best players playing on St Patricks day when so many tourists are in town.
Does anyone know if tg4 will cover the final live? I see Joe Kernan favours a St Patricks day final along with the club final. Anyone think this could work? I think it may be the only chance of saving the competition and could potentially showcase the gaa further on one of the biggest days in the calender.
I don;t agree the county players get enough days out without taking the club out of the equation. Both club finals should be played on the same day in Croke park. Why change something that is a massive success for something thats past its sell by date.
Quote from: ExiledGael on October 26, 2009, 09:30:50 PM
Munster GAA fans aren't noted for their strength in numbers at any event.
There were at least 2000 in Crossmaglen on probably the worst day I can ever remember for a football match. It's not a massive turn out but I do believe the interest is there, if only for the sheer quality of players on view.
Kernan's passion for the series and a sensible venue probably helped.
Plus we all know that a student one month into a marketing degree could come up with a superior PR programme to that which the GAA have provided for the past 15 years.
Thats being a bit generous, 1200-1500 tops by my reckoning. The stand was full but there was only a sprinkling of people elsewhere.
I wouldn't automatically equate attendence this weekend to sustained interest. I found it difficult to really care who won. Didn't feel the urge to shout at the shite ref or cheer any scores, which is par for the course with me at Armagh or club games. Even though there was some good football on show, especially considering the weather, I don't think I'd be fussed travelling anymore than 20-30 minutes up the road to go to any future games. It just doesn't matter enough to me :-\
Quote from: ExiledGael on October 26, 2009, 09:30:50 PM
Munster GAA fans aren't noted for their strength in numbers at any event.
There were at least 2000 in Crossmaglen on probably the worst day I can ever remember for a football match. It's not a massive turn out but I do believe the interest is there, if only for the sheer quality of players on view.
Kernan's passion for the series and a sensible venue probably helped.
Plus we all know that a student one month into a marketing degree could come up with a superior PR programme to that which the GAA have provided for the past 15 years.
Aye very true... O think it should continue no matter what the attendance levels are because in fairness the players seem to want to play it so let them at. Joe Sheridan playing for Leinster 8 days before a county final shows that the players are behind it.
Personally I think it's a great competition and I thoroughly enjoyed Saturday's match, it was very competitive - right from the start with Billy Sheenan being true to form and acting the gobshite inside 60 seconds. On another note, it's funny cheering on fookers you can't stand playing on the opposite team, like McKeever - jaysus he is a pest!!!
I see another easy Munster victory .Lots of anlysis afterwards just to keep the posters happy (Indie :-[)
Ulster won by 4 points. Heard one of the Ulster players suffered a serious injury. Not sure who.
Ciaran McEveer. Taken away by ambulance.
Just left ruislip. Mckeever hurt his ankle but its not broken, he was back a couple of hours later to join the teams at the post match meal. He was on crutches but i would say he will be ok. Match was quite good and ulster just had more quality with a strong squad
what was the ulster team and subs?
Ulster :
J Devine
K Lacey
Justin McMahon
G O'Kane
A Kernan
C McKeever
R Flanagan
K Hughes
E McGinley
P Finlay
B Coulter
Joe McMahon
P Bradley
S O'Neill
M Murphy
Substitutes Used:
C Gormley for McKeever
R McCluskey for Lacey
D Hughes for Joe Mcmahon
D Gordon for Murphy
T Freeman for K Hughes
Munster :
P Fitzgerald
T O'Gorman
J McCarthy
P Reidy
M O'Gorman
M Shields
P Ranahan
N Murphy
P O'Neill
D O'Connor
P Kelly
G Hurney
P Kerrigan
D Goulding
L O Lionnain.
Substitutes Used:
R Costigan for O'Gorman
J Ryan for McCarthy
S Scanlon for O'Neill
A Walsh for O Lionnain
And a report from the Irish News:
Munster denied by Ulster late show
M Donnelly Inter-provincial Football Championship final: Ulster 0-15 Munster 1-8
From Tony Tighe at Ruislip
There was late drama at Ruislip yesterday, where Ulster produced a stunning late salvo to clinch a record 29th interprovincial crown.
The northerners had deservedly led at the break, but were rocked when Gary Hurney netted three minutes into the second half.
And when Munster took the lead for the first time on 48 minutes they looked on course to successfully retain their title. But Ulster dug deep, firing five unanswered points in the last eight minutes to clinch a thrilling victory.
Ulster's deadly trio of Paddy Bradley, Stephen O'Neill and Michael Murphy were all off the mark inside the opening quarter, and with Kevin Hughes dominating around the middle third a comprehensive victory looked on for the Ulstermen.
A long-range score from Paul Finlay extended Ulster's lead to three points, but the game was then held up with a nasty ankle injury to Ciaran McKeever, who had to be taken off the pitch by ambulance. The early prognosis is that the Armagh ace has suffered heavy bruising but no broken bones.
When the game resumed Ulster continued to control proceedings, and two late scores from the tireless Kevin Hughes saw them lead 0-8 to 0-4 at the break. That lead would be short-lived however, as within minutes of the restart Munster were back on level terms.
Hurney looked to be going nowhere when he picked the ball to the right of goal, but he somehow managed to escape his marker's clutches and drilled a fine low shot across Joe Devine.
Points from superb substitute James Ryan and Goulding put Munster in front for the first time on 48 minutes.
But Ulster mounted a stunning late salvo. The introduction of Down duo Danny Hughes and namesake Gordon proved to be an inspired one by manager Joe Kernan, as they provided Ulster with a platform from which to mount their comeback.
Enda McGinley kick-started the late charge with a fisted point, quickly followed by Gerard O'Kane's second score of the day.Then Hughes and Gordon took over, kicking three points between them to see Ulster over the finish line.
The talk surrounding this game was whether the victors would be given an opportunity to defend their title, but Martin Donnelly confirmed afterwards that he would continue sponsoring the competition.
"It's early November, a cold day, but I was delighted with the crowd, the whole day was tremendous," he said.
"It showed that there is a future, whether it be this side of the water or abroad for the final.
"With the intensity the players showed, you can't say there's a lack of interest in the competition. And that's what it's all about, it's really about players wanting to compete for their province."
Ulster manager Joe Kernan cut a delighted figure at the final whistle after his side's late heroics saw them enter the record books. "We're really pleased with the win. It was a very competitive game and that's the way it should be," he said.
"We worked very hard over the past few weeks and I think you could see that at the end, where we showed our true qualities."
Those views were echoed by his son Aaron, who scooped the man of the match award."It was an honour to be involved with this Ulster team," he said. "This is my first year playing in both semi-final and final and it's something that I'll treasure.
"There is a great buzz about this competition, and the quality of football you see is unreal.
"In Ulster we took this competition very seriously. All you had to do was look at the boys at the final whistle to see what it meant to them."
MATCH STATS
Ulster: J Devine; K Lacey, Justin McMahon, G O'Kane (0-2); A Kernan, C McKeever, R Flanagan; K Hughes (0-2), E McGinley (0-1); P Finlay (0-1), B Coulter, Joe McMahon; P Bradley (0-3 1f), S O'Neill (0-1), M Murphy (0-1f).
Subs: C Gormley (0-1) for McKeever (28); R McCloskey for Lacey (ht); D Hughes (0-2) for Joe McMahon (41); D Gordon for Murphy (43); T Freeman for Hughes (52).
Munster: P Fitzgerald; T O'Gorman, J McCarthy, P Reidy; M O'Gorman, M Shields; P Ranahan; N Murphy (0-1), P O'Neill; P Kelly, D O'Connor (0-2f), P Kerrigan; G Hurney (1-0), D Goulding (0-4 1f), L O'Lionnain.
Subs: R Costigan for M O'Gorman (ht); J Ryan (0-1) for Kerrigan (ht); S Scanlon for O'Neill (56); A Walsh for O'Lionnain (59)
Referee: D Fahy (Longford).
Joining this discussion a wee bit late in the day but I have to say I love the inter provincial matches. I went to Cross for the semi & cheered on just as loudly as I would do for my county, I would have attended the final if it had been here. The players who take part in these matches give their all to it which I think is great to see, I would just like to see it promoted properly to get the recognition it deserves. Anyhow, Congratulations to Big Joe & the Ulster panel, always nice to get a win, just hope Ciaran McKeever's injury isn't too serious :(
That munster team is wrong. Alan O'Connor was in midfield. His partner was also not from Cork. Not sure where he was from though.
Anyone got an update on Ciaran McKeever's injury?
Hub must be playing some stuff lately,great to see it from a tyrone point of view,hope he keeps ticking over the way hes goin,class act
No Railway Cup this year.
very very disappointing. If the GAA bothered their arse they could turn this into a decent event >:(
Quote from: The Forfeit Point on April 17, 2010, 11:09:00 AM
very very disappointing. If the GAA bothered their arse they could turn this into a decent event >:(
scrap it when you see 3rd string county players playing it -its the end. Ckub fixtures are more important. Mind you I wouldn't bother my arse with the Aussie-turnip head show at the year end either.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 17, 2010, 11:10:37 AM
Quote from: The Forfeit Point on April 17, 2010, 11:09:00 AM
very very disappointing. If the GAA bothered their arse they could turn this into a decent event >:(
scrap it when you see 3rd string county players playing it -its the end. Ckub fixtures are more important. Mind you I wouldn't bother my arse with the Aussie-turnip head show at the year end either.
that makes a mockery of the competition. its a fantastic concept, look how well it works in rugby with the interest it has generated. i know it is all there really is in rugby besides the international dimension but the GAA could certainly get decent interest in this if they tried. i agree with mid-louth that a better time of year is needed. joe kernan had a great idea with st.patricks week. by right that should be done and the sh
ite marketed out of it to tourists, and reasonable prices.
what more of an honour can a player get than to say he is one of the best footballers in their province? it baffles me, id give anything to have been able to play for my club at a decent level, let alone county or province. this story really disheartens me
Quote from: The Forfeit Point on April 17, 2010, 12:06:03 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 17, 2010, 11:10:37 AM
Quote from: The Forfeit Point on April 17, 2010, 11:09:00 AM
very very disappointing. If the GAA bothered their arse they could turn this into a decent event >:(
scrap it when you see 3rd string county players playing it -its the end. Ckub fixtures are more important. Mind you I wouldn't bother my arse with the Aussie-turnip head show at the year end either.
that makes a mockery of the competition. its a fantastic concept, look how well it works in rugby with the interest it has generated. i know it is all there really is in rugby besides the international dimension but the GAA could certainly get decent interest in this if they tried. i agree with mid-louth that a better time of year is needed. joe kernan had a great idea with st.patricks week. by right that should be done and the shite marketed out of it to tourists, and reasonable prices.
what more of an honour can a player get than to say he is one of the best footballers in their province? it baffles me, id give anything to have been able to play for my club at a decent level, let alone county or province. this story really disheartens me
But the crowds don't identify with it- they just don't. A lof of the players can't play in it due to club commitments as well.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 17, 2010, 12:18:40 PM
Quote from: The Forfeit Point on April 17, 2010, 12:06:03 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 17, 2010, 11:10:37 AM
Quote from: The Forfeit Point on April 17, 2010, 11:09:00 AM
very very disappointing. If the GAA bothered their arse they could turn this into a decent event >:(
scrap it when you see 3rd string county players playing it -its the end. Ckub fixtures are more important. Mind you I wouldn't bother my arse with the Aussie-turnip head show at the year end either.
that makes a mockery of the competition. its a fantastic concept, look how well it works in rugby with the interest it has generated. i know it is all there really is in rugby besides the international dimension but the GAA could certainly get decent interest in this if they tried. i agree with mid-louth that a better time of year is needed. joe kernan had a great idea with st.patricks week. by right that should be done and the shite marketed out of it to tourists, and reasonable prices.
what more of an honour can a player get than to say he is one of the best footballers in their province? it baffles me, id give anything to have been able to play for my club at a decent level, let alone county or province. this story really disheartens me
But the crowds don't identify with it- they just don't. A lof of the players can't play in it due to club commitments as well.
Thats where marketing and glamourising it comes in, sure thats the very reason why every clown nowadays is sporting leinster & munster jerseys when a decade ago that was more or less unheard of.
how can GAA fans not identify with it? it makes no sense, you are potentially getting the very best footballers pitted against each other
Quote from: The Forfeit Point on April 17, 2010, 01:56:07 PM
how can GAA fans not identify with it? it makes no sense, you are potentially getting the very best footballers pitted against each other
Attendances in recent years would suggest the vast majority of supporters couldn't give a shite about seeing the very best footballers pitted against each other. People follow football because they identify with their club and county, regardless of who is in the jersey. Being better than the lot down the road matters; being the best club in the county matters; being the best county in the country matters; but no one really gives a shit about being the best province.
Quote from: AFS on April 17, 2010, 03:36:56 PM
Quote from: The Forfeit Point on April 17, 2010, 01:56:07 PM
how can GAA fans not identify with it? it makes no sense, you are potentially getting the very best footballers pitted against each other
Attendances in recent years would suggest the vast majority of supporters couldn't give a shite about seeing the very best footballers pitted against each other. People follow football because they identify with their club and county, regardless of who is in the jersey. Being better than the lot down the road matters; being the best club in the county matters; being the best county in the country matters; but no one really gives a shit about being the best province.
why did the crowds go in the 50s and 60s though when travelling was much more difficult? how can the rugby faithful identify with their provinces?
as i said its down to marketing (with regards rugby, i have no idea how they managed back in the day) this could be a money maker if the GAA had the foresight to invest in making it attractive. i have been to quite a few railway cup semis & finals and they tend to be football at its purest. fast, open, attractive football
Have to say I'm delighted it is gone, it was a waste of time and money.
AFS, people will go to see the best players but they weren't getting that, they were getting the lads who were available and a few token lads from weaker counties. That and the fact that nobody really cared who won it meant that people weren't willing to travel and pay in to see it. And TFB that is why promoting it wouldn't work, Munster and Leinster in the rugby are two of the best club teams in world rugby going at it with full teams so people will watch. Munster and Leinster in football or hurling is a few of the best players in the respective provinces having a kick/puc around.
We're nearly finished with our national leagues that have passed by most of the country, now that is a competition worth sorting out. The vast majority of games our IC players play are no more than glorified challenge matches, that's the problem and we shouldn't be worried about retaining another challenge match like the inter provincials.
Quote from: The Forfeit Point on April 17, 2010, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: AFS on April 17, 2010, 03:36:56 PM
Quote from: The Forfeit Point on April 17, 2010, 01:56:07 PM
how can GAA fans not identify with it? it makes no sense, you are potentially getting the very best footballers pitted against each other
Attendances in recent years would suggest the vast majority of supporters couldn't give a shite about seeing the very best footballers pitted against each other. People follow football because they identify with their club and county, regardless of who is in the jersey. Being better than the lot down the road matters; being the best club in the county matters; being the best county in the country matters; but no one really gives a shit about being the best province.
why did the crowds go in the 50s and 60s though when travelling was much more difficult? how can the rugby faithful identify with their provinces?
as i said its down to marketing (with regards rugby, i have no idea how they managed back in the day) this could be a money maker if the GAA had the foresight to invest in making it attractive. i have been to quite a few railway cup semis & finals and they tend to be football at its purest. fast, open, attractive football
The 50s and 60s are irrelevant. The circumstances that lead to the competition's popularity then can not be recreated. The emergence of television and the ample opportunities to see the best players in the country on a regular basis from the comfort of your sitting room is the main difference.
The situation in rugby is also irrelevant. The Irish provinces get to compete against dozens of sides across Europe over the course of a season. This has allowed them to establish a support base. This situation is utterly incomparable with four sides playing a couple of games against each other in the space of two weekends. Also, in the rugby world our provinces are small enough representative units for supporters to be able to create a unique identity. In the GAA world provinces are relatively massive units, which makes it extremely difficult to identity with them.
rugby has local clubs though too, yet the people can identify with the provinces. and rugby most certainly is relevant in that it has suddenly become very popular and that is down to media exposure and marketing and glamourising of the game. the gaa need to get off their arses and do something for gaelic games as a whole not just specifically the railway cup, which in my opinion could be a big money spinner if joe kernans idea was adopted. do you not think so?
Quote from: Zulu on April 17, 2010, 05:00:09 PM
Have to say I'm delighted it is gone, it was a waste of time and money.
AFS, people will go to see the best players but they weren't getting that, they were getting the lads who were available and a few token lads from weaker counties. That and the fact that nobody really cared who won it meant that people weren't willing to travel and pay in to see it. And TFB that is why promoting it wouldn't work, Munster and Leinster in the rugby are two of the best club teams in world rugby going at it with full teams so people will watch. Munster and Leinster in football or hurling is a few of the best players in the respective provinces having a kick/puc around.
We're nearly finished with our national leagues that have passed by most of the country, now that is a competition worth sorting out. The vast majority of games our IC players play are no more than glorified challenge matches, that's the problem and we shouldn't be worried about retaining another challenge match like the inter provincials.
cant understand how you can be "delighted", apathetic yes, but delighted? sure if you didnt like them how would it affect you, how could you be delighted that people who did enjoy them cant anymore?
No. Rugby's popularity isn't simply down to promotion but the fact that we are strong at the moment, it is international and the games matter. The inter provincials don't matter and never will again so we are better off without them. I do agree we should promote some of other competitions better though.
Quotecant understand how you can be "delighted", apathetic yes, but delighted? sure if you didnt like them how would it affect you, how could you be delighted that people who did enjoy them cant anymore?
A bit harsh i admit but I'm delighted because the GAA are finally making some tough decisions and getting rid of the drift wood. Don't get me wrong I always watched them and enjoyed them but they just have no place in the calender and are only challenge matches which serve no purpose.
im very saddened by this, what some people here dont get is that in future without the inter pros 'munster' will mean 'munster rugby' same with the other 3. thats a big mistake by the gaa. i saw in the times last wed week (i think) that the munster v connaght rugby inter pro in 1986 drew 300 people, look at it now. its important to promote gaa at all levels, club, county, province and internationally. the boys on here worried about the drip of players going to the afl need to realise rugby is the greatest threat to gaa at the moment. good luck to rugby and the great work they do but the gaa needs to respond with marketing what i think is a better product. if the gaa inter pros drew 3 or 4 thousand they would pay for themselves and that would be easily achievable if they were given a set place in the calender (all star weekend) and a decent holiday or something for the winners
Quoteim very saddened by this, what some people here dont get is that in future without the inter pros 'munster' will mean 'munster rugby' same with the other 3.
The inter provincials wouldn't change that because they only involve two games that nobody cares about anyway.
Quotei saw in the times last wed week (i think) that the munster v connaght rugby inter pro in 1986 drew 300 people, look at it now.
And that is because they are doing well in an international competition, so people who pay good money in to se them get to see two well prepared teams playing full strength teams trying to win games.
Quoteits important to promote gaa at all levels, club, county, province and internationally.
No we don't we need to focus on areas where we are strong, club and county and not waste money on provincial level and to a lesser degree international level.
Quotehe boys on here worried about the drip of players going to the afl need to realise rugby is the greatest threat to gaa at the moment. good luck to rugby and the great work they do but the gaa needs to respond with marketing what i think is a better product.
I agree but what we need to do is change our IC season and deliver more proper games to a country that wants it.
Quotef the gaa inter pros drew 3 or 4 thousand they would pay for themselves and that would be easily achievable if they were given a set place in the calender (all star weekend) and a decent holiday or something for the winners
And how is 3 or 4,000 at a game promoting the GAA, it only becomes an embarrassment to us.
Quote from: Zulu on April 17, 2010, 05:36:52 PM
Quoteim very saddened by this, what some people here dont get is that in future without the inter pros 'munster' will mean 'munster rugby' same with the other 3.
The inter provincials wouldn't change that because they only involve two games that nobody cares about anyway.
Quotei saw in the times last wed week (i think) that the munster v connaght rugby inter pro in 1986 drew 300 people, look at it now.
And that is because they are doing well in an international competition, so people who pay good money in to se them get to see two well prepared teams playing full strength teams trying to win games.
Quoteits important to promote gaa at all levels, club, county, province and internationally.
No we don't we need to focus on areas where we are strong, club and county and not waste money on provincial level and to a lesser degree international level.
Quotehe boys on here worried about the drip of players going to the afl need to realise rugby is the greatest threat to gaa at the moment. good luck to rugby and the great work they do but the gaa needs to respond with marketing what i think is a better product.
I agree but what we need to do is change our IC season and deliver more proper games to a country that wants it.
Quotef the gaa inter pros drew 3 or 4 thousand they would pay for themselves and that would be easily achievable if they were given a set place in the calender (all star weekend) and a decent holiday or something for the winners
And how is 3 or 4,000 at a game promoting the GAA, it only becomes an embarrassment to us.
zulu, if the games were highly valued you would get the best players, this could be achieved by organising an all star w/e with the all stars presented the same w/e (even if you dont win an all star you might win a railway cup medal and i'd love one of them) - i would go to any game paddy bradley or joe canning were playing in. there will never be huge crowds at the games again but it wouldnt be hard to get 3, 4 or 5 thousand to turn up and the thing wouldnt cost anything.
It costs at least two weekends MK, which you might argue isn't much to ask but I think it is when clubs are already hard pressed. And you'll never get the best players because of injuries, club, university games or lack of interest. So why continue with a competition like it, when you talk about promotion and battling rugby and soccer for hearts and minds it is the national league we should be talking about. Top games like Kerry/Tyrone, Kerry/Cork, Kerry/Dublin on your doorstep every weekend and yet we regard 8-10,000 as great gates, they should be getting 25,000. And they would if people knew they would see two well prepared teams, at full strength going 100% for the 2 points. There's your promotion and there's your opportunity to get people to relate to the team and feel it is theirs. I'd scrap the inter provincials and the provincial championships tomorrow if I had my way and make the league central to our calender.
some good points there zulu but imo the inter prov and promoting gaa are not mutually exclusive! also it should be just 1 weekend with s finals on sat and final on sunday again built around an all star w/e in oct/nov to mark the end of the season
Quote from: Zulu on April 17, 2010, 05:21:23 PM
No. Rugby's popularity isn't simply down to promotion but the fact that we are strong at the moment, it is international and the games matter. The inter provincials don't matter and never will again so we are better off without them. I do agree we should promote some of other competitions better though.
Quotecant understand how you can be "delighted", apathetic yes, but delighted? sure if you didnt like them how would it affect you, how could you be delighted that people who did enjoy them cant anymore?
A bit harsh i admit but I'm delighted because the GAA are finally making some tough decisions and getting rid of the drift wood. Don't get me wrong I always watched them and enjoyed them but they just have no place in the calender and are only challenge matches which serve no purpose.
so something you "enjoyed" you dont mind seeing the end of? that makes little sense. as magic kingdom said, it would not take much for them to pay for themselves and anyway talking about money wasting, the railway cup is hardly a huge drain. the gaa and county boards should be looking at the the white elephant grounds that have been developed and "mangerial exppenses" for true wastage.
what an opportunity it is for great footballers from clare and waterford and tipp (and there are plenty) to mix in with the cork and kerry lads. and from my own county to show what they can do besides being limited by a useless county team year in year out.
i hope it returns.
i truly think tourists would lap this up during st.patricks week
I enjoy any football match but if I think getting rid of certain competitions is good for the GAA as a whole then I've no problem with it. It serves little purpose and tourist or no tourist, people don't want to pay for sporting competitions where players are going through the motions. Anyway if were to get tourists in to watch it we'd have to play it in CP and promote it and that costs money so you either play it in small grounds and hope a decent local crowd go to it or you play it in CP and promote the hell out of it. The first option is just keeping the damn thing on life support and the second option involves far to much expense to be justified.
Maybe it is the best thing that it is put aside for one year. It may, and I hope it does, bring the people that want it to continue and succeed together and form a group that want to run the Railway Cup not as we have had for the past years.
We had a President throw money at it to appease those that wanted it to continue. If he had an interest then he would have spent the money at the development rather than just throwing money at it for the sake of it. Although not an Ulster man I believe that the correct and proper leadership for the Railway Cup going forward come from that provience. I think rather than the "them nordies think they know it all and I am not going to support them in whatever they do" the mantra should be " how can we work with them in promoting the best footballers in Ireland to represent their provience" It is now time to take on this challange and prove that there is a life for the Railway Cup. Finally, Martin Donnelly is a true gael, his dedication and generosity should not go unheralded.
http://www.anpocfada.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=85&Itemid=106// fair play Martin Donnelly, the Railway Cup and the Poc Fada. Where would the GAA be without him. He gives a rare interview comment here about why he does it.