two ends of the scale. We were debating Stephen Ireland last week and he is one guy who seems to hate Irish national team and here we have another wishing so hard that the manager would give him a chance;
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0926/1224255284090.html
Andy Reid is surely worth a place in the squad as his set pieces and creative play could be priceless for Ireland
Never did hear the full story as to why A Reid was dropped - was it something to do with sitting up late playing cards and drinking after Trapp had told him to go to bed?
Playing the guitar apparently ::)
He's probably good enough to make the team, never mind the squad. I reckon he's a better footballer than any of the current midfield options. But, the way Trapattoni has the team set up there is nowhere for Reid to fit in. He can't play the deep defensive midfielder/ auxiliary centre back role that Andrews and Whelan play, and he doesn't have the pace or work rate to play as one of the widemen. That said, I think he'd be the perfect man to have on the bench to throw on with 25 minutes to go if we're chasing for a goal.
Any professional footballer who had to lose 9KGs between two seasons does not deserve to be in any football team. If seems there was some disrespecting the manager at the time and if there was he deserves to be sitting at home. He is a good div. 1 player or lower premier league player
Reid is another one of these players who has achieved more in supporters minds through being absent than he ever did by being present.
But in saying that, if we're in a World Cup play-off and need a goal with 20 minutes to go to secure qualification, I'd much rather bring him and Rory Delap onto the field than some of the wackfuvks that Trappatoni is persisting with.
Quote from: AFS on September 28, 2009, 10:48:50 AM
Playing the guitar apparently ::)
He's probably good enough to make the team, never mind the squad. I reckon he's a better footballer than any of the current midfield options. But, the way Trapattoni has the team set up there is nowhere for Reid to fit in. He can't play the deep defensive midfielder/ auxiliary centre back role that Andrews and Whelan play, and he doesn't have the pace or work rate to play as one of the widemen. That said, I think he'd be the perfect man to have on the bench to throw on with 25 minutes to go if we're chasing for a goal.
I think he should be in the squad anyhow. Look, fair enough if you want to play a midfield of workers with little creativity but surely to have a creative option on the bench would be an advantage. Especially if you are up against a team that just wants to defend all night. Maybe Trapp is trying to make an example of Reid, if he is then the point has surely been made now and he should invite him back
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 28, 2009, 10:51:44 AM
Any professional footballer who had to lose 9KGs between two seasons does not deserve to be in any football team. If seems there was some disrespecting the manager at the time and if there was he deserves to be sitting at home. He is a good div. 1 player or lower premier league player
So are the majority of the Irish squad, some aren't even up to this standard.
Goalkeepers:
Shay Given, Keiren Westwood, Joe Murphy.
Defenders:
John O'Shea, Kevin Foley, Richard Dunne, Stephen Kelly, Kevin Kilbane, Eddie Nolan, Sean St Ledger, Paul McShane, Darren O'Dea.
Midfielders:
Aiden McGeady, Damien Duff, Darron Gibson, Glenn Whelan, Keith Andrews, Liam Miller, Stephen Hunt, Andy Keogh, Steven Reid, Liam Lawrence.
Forwards:
Caleb Folan, Kevin Doyle, Robbie Keane, Shane Long, Leon Best
No question he should be in the sqaud, hes an awesome footballer, great vision and passer, dangerous from set pieces too, he was brilliant yday, Miller is playing shit for Hibs and Whelan can pass beyond 10 yrds, a joke, Reid is flying fit and fair play to him, he got a personal trainer during holidays to be fit and it payed off. Its a sad reflection of trap holding a grudge to the detriment of the team and our chances. Pisses me off. It has nothing to do with football him not being in the squad. Great option to have and hopefully trap will swallow his pride and stubborness and pick him.
Perhaps an even bigger question is why isn't Keith Fahey in the squad?
Playing every weekend for Birmingham, the type of player who would fit into Trap's midfield. He might not be a major improvement on Whelan or Andrews, but he'd certainly be a better option than Miller or Gibson.
Quote from: AFS on September 28, 2009, 11:26:21 AM
Perhaps an even bigger question is why isn't Keith Fahey in the squad?
Playing every weekend for Birmingham, the type of player who would fit into Trap's midfield. He might not be a major improvement on Whelan or Andrews, but he'd certainly be a better option than Miller or Gibson.
Agreed.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 28, 2009, 11:10:54 AM
No question he should be in the sqaud, hes an awesome footballer, great vision and passer, dangerous from set pieces too, he was brilliant yday, Miller is playing shit for Hibs and Whelan can pass beyond 10 yrds, a joke, Reid is flying fit and fair play to him, he got a personal trainer during holidays to be fit and it payed off. Its a sad reflection of trap holding a grudge to the detriment of the team and our chances. Pisses me off. It has nothing to do with football him not being in the squad. Great option to have and hopefully trap will swallow his pride and stubborness and pick him.
Are you related to Reid?
Seriously, to describe him as being awesome is way way OTT
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 28, 2009, 11:10:54 AM
Goalkeepers:
Shay Given, Keiren Westwood, Joe Murphy.
Defenders:
John O'Shea, Kevin Foley, Richard Dunne, Stephen Kelly, Kevin Kilbane, Eddie Nolan, Sean St Ledger, Paul McShane, Darren O'Dea.
Midfielders:
Aiden McGeady, Damien Duff, Darron Gibson, Glenn Whelan, Keith Andrews, Liam Miller, Stephen Hunt, Andy Keogh, Steven Reid, Liam Lawrence.
Forwards:
Caleb Folan, Kevin Doyle, Robbie Keane, Shane Long, Leon Best
No question he should be in the sqaud, hes an awesome footballer, great vision and passer, dangerous from set pieces too, he was brilliant yday, Miller is playing shit for Hibs and Whelan can pass beyond 10 yrds, a joke, Reid is flying fit and fair play to him, he got a personal trainer during holidays to be fit and it payed off. Its a sad reflection of trap holding a grudge to the detriment of the team and our chances. Pisses me off. It has nothing to do with football him not being in the squad. Great option to have and hopefully trap will swallow his pride and stubborness and pick him.
The 2 players you have highlighted are centre midfielders. Andy would not be played at CM, also he is playing at wide left for his club.
At Left Midfield he is a better option than Keogh playing there out of position.
Trap has Duff, McGeady, Hunt and Lawrence ahead of him.
A Reid is a mystery. Last year when the bandwagon for his inclusion was in full flow, he was struggling to get on bench at Sunderland and was overweight. This summer he seems to have sorted himself out (again) and on form he is worth his place in squad. Not sure he fits into Traps first 11 system but with Duff and McCeady struggling he would be pushing for a place on form in their absence.
Traps abviously places a great emphasis on trust. Reid was in his squad and broke his trust over the guitar playing episode. He is paying for that but I'd hope Trap would see sense and take him back into squad. We can't afford to leave out players starting in the premiership and doing well.
He isn't an awesome player and whelan isn't as bad as some say. He does a solid job for Stoke and Ireland and in Traps system, that can't be undervalued.
My own personal opinion is that he could produce some magic as he has a sweet left foot, great vision and some terrific passing and has the ability to offer some inspiration to a team that does not have that extra dimension when he is not on the field. I'm not saying he would turn us into world beaters but certainly there is some value in having him in the squad and I think defenders would be very wary of him in the last third of the pitch.
He, moreso than Duff/McGeady/Miller/Hunt/Lawrence could produce one of those Sheedy/Houghton/Whelan moments which Irish fans have been missing in the last 15 years
There's no doubt he should be in the squad but with Jack Mark II managing he will probably not play for his country for years. The man I'm surprised at is Liam Brady. He should know better after the way Jack treated him. He is part of this setup and is basically agreeing that Liam Miller has more to offer than Andy Reid which any sane person couldn't agree with.
The Irish soccer squad reminds me of the Irish rugby squad in the past when it was harder to get off the team than to get on it.
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 28, 2009, 02:26:41 PM
There's no doubt he should be in the squad but with Jack Mark II managing he will probably not play for his country for years. The man I'm surprised at is Liam Brady. He should know better after the way Jack treated him. He is part of this setup and is basically agreeing that Liam Miller has more to offer than Andy Reid which any sane person couldn't agree with.
Agreed, the only one who should be ahead of him in the pecking order in wide midfield is Duff (and that's debatable). He's in form, and is potentially lethal.
Very disappointed in the management team that Reid wasn't picked in the squad this time.
I think Trap had a right to drop him for discipline reasons and had a right not to pick him when he couldnt nail down a starting place at his club (even if he picked other lads in similar siutations). But now that he's playing every game for Sunderland, and playing the full 90 minutes in most, and playing quite well in most, its getting towards "a disgrace" that he's not in the squad. There can no longer be any argument thats he's out for football reasons, and IMO that's a poor reflection on the management team.
Overall the management team have done very well.
It's taking a bit slower than the team under Jack, to settle into a rhythm.
We are in a good position and a fair enough chance to get to the WC.
Take it or leave it, it's a dumbed down game plan for our dumbed down players to slot into when they turn up for international duty and it is getting results.
Not even his club risk Andy at CM at home against the likes of Wolves.
Trap is not going to digress from his central midfield policy, not even to replace one of them with A Reid during a game. He said that clearly after the Montenegro game.
In Montenegro he would have replaced one of the front men and put Andy on in front of midfield, but now there are the Folan and Best options.
If A Reid was to come on in a game he would be a replacement for one of the wide players, who have demonstrated to Trap their understanding of what he wants them to do. Somewhere along the line, Andy got out of favour, he went from being a sub on the bench to a cast out who will have to bide his time.
Not related FB, just love the way he plays the game, ya lads will say wolves yday, but wolves pretty much played sunderland off the park, but reids creativity opened up wolves on every occasion, he several long range passes that I thought were awesome, i dont really see him as winger and he rarely went into a wide position yday.
Its clear to me its not a football decision and that annoys me. Hes another tactic, option, something we really dont have in the squad. And we could need him or use him. Trap has done a good job besides this i will say.
i cannot see how anyone can make a constructive argument not to have andy reid on the ireland squad given some of the players on it ahead of him - andy keogh,liam miller(without a club for a long time until recently),darren gibson.
IMO hes quite a bit ahead of andrews and glenn whelen in terms of talent/ability whatever you want to call it although his work rate hasnt always been the best.i would definitely have him starting in the irish 11 but everyone has their own opinion.
so what if him and trappatoni had a bust up,i think trappatonis unbelievably stubborn attitude to team selection and tactics is going to cost us dearly somewhere down the line.
surely with the money trappatoni is being paid he can kiss and make up with andy reid.lee carsley also very unlucky not to be in the squad as is keith fahey and the young guy mccann at burnley shouldnt be far away either.sadly i cant see trapp changing his ways....
Gibson is a good young player with potential, can pass a ball and can put the foot in which Trap likes also scores a few long range goals. Liam Miller on the other hand has very little to offer. Is the mcCann at Burnley not crocked at the minute?
Miller is there as cover, nothing more nothing less. He impressed enough in a friendly against Nigeria.
Trap says he wants Miller as cover, a smart enough player who understands the system and will know what to do should he be called upon.