the rest of the country may consider it a bore but in the home of football it'll be greeted with equal amounts of glee and dread. for kerry to lose an all ireland to cork would be cathastrophic but to beat them would be the ultimate. definately the two best teams left standing this year. cork will deserve their favourites tag, theyre a hardened team at this stage and have had some great performances this year against kerry, donegal and tyrone. but as we know only too well anything can happen in football. . .
Kerry by 1 or 2 points
Cork will win this by 3 or 4 points, all this nonsense about Cork having a psychological issue with Kerry in CP is complete rubbish. Cork are the best team in the country and will prove it on AI final day.
Quote from: Zulu on August 30, 2009, 05:32:11 PM
Cork will win this by 3 or 4 points, all this nonsense about Cork having a psychological issue with Kerry in CP is complete rubbish. Cork are the best team in the country and will prove it on AI final day.
How many times Zulu have Cork beaten kerry in croke park?
Munster ...province of the decade
None that I'm aware of Indiana but how many have they played, I can think of 4 games, 2 semi's (including a replay) and one final. But in all those games you had an excellent Kerry against an average (at best) Cork team with only few forwards and no subs. Players like Derek Kavanagh, James Masters, Steven O'Brien, Ger Spillane etc. wouldn't have made the Kerry teams they were playing against. There is nobody on the Cork team that definitely wouldn't make the Kerry team now, in other words Cork lost because they were significantly poorer than Kerry not because of some mental hang up. They most definitely are good enough to beat them now and they want Kerry as much as Kerry wanted Tyrone.
whats in it for cork? its a chance to bury demons or to be buried by your demons. high stakes is just too much pressure which is never good news.
whats in it for kerry? record equalling 6th final in a row, if we lose, we've beaten cork in cp so often we were bound to lose one. we're playing the favourites.
the myth that cork are something special because they beat kerry in a replay, limerick (barely) donegal (didnt antrim beat them) and tyrone. someone tell me why are cork so hyped up??
I think they will beat Kerry Zulu provided they can convince themselves they can . Still a lot of players left over from those defeats. Hidings in some cases. I just think Kerry are on the wane
Quote from: Zulu on August 30, 2009, 05:41:30 PM
None that I'm aware of Indiana but how many have they played, I can think of 4 games, 2 semi's (including a replay) and one final. But in all those games you had an excellent Kerry against an average (at best) Cork team with only few forwards and no subs. Players like Derek Kavanagh, James Masters, Steven O'Brien, Ger Spillane etc. wouldn't have made the Kerry teams they were playing against. There is nobody on the Cork team that definitely wouldn't make the Kerry team now, in other words Cork lost because they were significantly poorer than Kerry not because of some mental hang up. They most definitely are good enough to beat them now and they want Kerry as much as Kerry wanted Tyrone.
are you serious? think about that again
Quotethe myth that cork are something special because they beat kerry in a replay, limerick (barely) donegal (didnt antrim beat them) and tyrone. someone tell me why are cork so hyped up??
It's the nature of those performances, they steamrolled Tyrone, Donegal and Kerry (replay) and looked to be far more powerful than any of those teams.
Quotewhats in it for cork?
Eh? Revenge for some embarrassing defeats and the small thing of a first AI since 1990, not to mention winning after having beaten Tyrone and Kerry en route.
Quotetill a lot of players left over from those defeats.
Not really, they've six new starters from last year's starting outfield 14, that's nearly half the team and of those who did start players like Canty, Lynch, O'Connor, O'Neill and Goulding are proven quality performers.
Quoteare you serious? think about that again
Yes I am, I don't know if you understand my point so to clarify, if you were to pick a first 15 from the pick of both squads there isn't any of the starting Cork team that you would definitely say 'not a chance'. I mean I personally wouldn't pick either Cork midfielder but you could make an argument for either of them getting in before Scanlon. In previous years there was a number of Cork players that wouldn't have even merited a discussion if you were picking a team from both panels.
Why was the Mcguigan blasts Splliane thread deleted?
The final was last week.
Quote from: Zulu on August 30, 2009, 05:57:29 PM
Yes I am, I don't know if you understand my point so to clarify, if you were to pick a first 15 from the pick of both squads there isn't any of the starting Cork team that you would definitely say 'not a chance'. I mean I personally wouldn't pick either Cork midfielder but you could make an argument for either of them getting in before Scanlon. In previous years there was a number of Cork players that wouldn't have even merited a discussion if you were picking a team from both panels.
thats not what you said above but i take your point. i think it will be a great final like i said above a bore for a lot of the country who dont get the nature of the kerry/cork rivalry (and why should they) but on the day if its dry it could be a classic. .
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 30, 2009, 05:59:37 PM
Why was the Mcguigan blasts Splliane thread deleted?
i hate when someone does that, it was there 10 minutes ago. .
Quotethats not what you said
Well I did in fairness you just misinterpreted my point. However I agree I think it will be a cracking match and I'd be surprised if it doesn't get the neutrals attention as other than a Tyrone Kerry final this is the best match up possible.
Quote from: Zulu on August 30, 2009, 06:06:02 PM
Quotethats not what you said
Well I did in fairness you just misinterpreted my point. However I agree I think it will be a cracking match and I'd be surprised if it doesn't get the neutrals attention as other than a Tyrone Kerry final this is the best match up possible.
i doubt the 3rd meeting of the season will be a great game. they rarely are
Quote from: magickingdom on August 30, 2009, 06:03:35 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 30, 2009, 05:59:37 PM
Why was the Mcguigan blasts Splliane thread deleted?
i hate when someone does that, it was there 10 minutes ago. .
If sheshe had behaved himself it wouldn't have happened ;)
If you hadnt completely lost the rag it would still be there. No need for that type of personal abuse. Tis only a bit of banter eh fox ?
Quote from: magickingdom on August 30, 2009, 06:03:35 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 30, 2009, 05:59:37 PM
Why was the Mcguigan blasts Splliane thread deleted?
i hate when someone does that, it was there 10 minutes ago. .
Mike Sheehy tipped them over the edge :D
Some pressure on Cork though. They have the weight of 31 counties behind them, as well as being the bookies' tip. They've already beaten both of last year's finalists. Some test of character.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 30, 2009, 06:09:48 PM
If you hadnt completely lost the rag it would still be there. No need for that type of personal abuse. Tis only a bit of banter eh fox ?
aye :P
Quotei doubt the 3rd meeting of the season will be a great game. they rarely are
I think it will tbh, neither team will fear the other and I don't think there'll be too much tactical stuff so I'd say it could turn into a ding dong battle.
Meath were full of 'huff and puff' (note to a certain poster, 'huff and puff' is no substitute for class), but Kerry's class told in the second half, and Meath's lack of quality did for them.
I watched it with a 2nd cousin of the Ó Sés from The Blasket Islands, and I've never heard so much swearing about them (the Ó Sés), except from a Red Hand jersey :D
Cork will be too strong I'd say, it was a very poor game overall. REBEL DELIVERANCE!
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 30, 2009, 06:10:05 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on August 30, 2009, 06:03:35 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 30, 2009, 05:59:37 PM
Why was the Mcguigan blasts Splliane thread deleted?
i hate when someone does that, it was there 10 minutes ago. .
Mike Sheehy tipped them over the edge :D
Its funny watching an entire county doing a "kevin Keegan" ;D
Quote from: ONeill on August 30, 2009, 06:10:50 PM
Some pressure on Cork though. They have the weight of 31 counties behind them, as well as being the bookies' tip. They've already beaten both of last year's finalists. Some test of character.
Cork slight favourites alright, but i don't think cork will have the backing of the non-kerry folk - they wouldn't be the most popular of counties. Personally, i don't want either of them to win, but might favour kerry.
think myself it's nice to see two counties from the soft football province make it though, they should be fresh at any rate.
cork favourites on current form, however get feeling Kerry doing what it takes so far and will be a different proposition in three weeks time. Indiffent about result
There are areas Kerry can attack though. Not convinced by Cork at midfield. Dara will fancy his chances on them. I also think if Kerry match up Pierce O Neill for size they may expose his limited ball skills. He's a great athlete but's he's not a stylist like Tadhg Kennelly. In fact if I were Kerry I'd put Tadhg Kennelly at 6 and move O Sullivan to 11 and Walsh to 14. Then use Donaghy with 20-25 to go. What an impact sub to have.
Cork have all the pressure on them. Embarassed in Croke Park a few times. But this Cork team look different, look seriously hungry. But question is, will they fill them at the sight of the Kerry jersey. Not this time IMO. Cork would have preferred Meath.
Kerry also have pressure but IMO are underdogs.
It's all set up for Kerry.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 30, 2009, 06:07:51 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 30, 2009, 06:06:02 PM
Quotethats not what you said
Well I did in fairness you just misinterpreted my point. However I agree I think it will be a cracking match and I'd be surprised if it doesn't get the neutrals attention as other than a Tyrone Kerry final this is the best match up possible.
i doubt the 3rd meeting of the season will be a great game. they rarely are
3rd Armagh Tyrone match in 2005 was the pick of the bunch.
Paddy Power goes 10/11 Cork 11/10 Kerry. I fancy the Rebels though I said at the start of the year that they should be All Ireland contenders but couldn't be taken seriously until they beat Kerry at Croke Park. As it turns out, if they do that, they'll become champions.
Would agre with Indiana that getting over the mental block will be half the battle for Cork. To have beaten Kerry 4 times in Munster this decade but to have lost 5 (?) times in a row to them in Croke Park is a very noteworthy statistic.
That said, Cork are clearly at their strongest for 20 years, not sure that can be said about Kerry. In beating Tyrone, Cork achieved at the first attempt something that Kerry have failed to do 3 times and I think Cork will have enough to finish the job by a couple of points.
Another soft All Ireland for Kerry i think but if Gooch gets suspended you will never know.
Pity both of them cant lose. I d have to prefer Kerry. I ll probably leave after the minor match.
Quote from: moysider on August 30, 2009, 08:58:40 PM
Pity both of them cant lose. I d have to prefer Kerry. I d rather eat dog vomit than support a Cork team. I ll probably leave after the minor match.
Thanks .
Quote from: anglocelt39 on August 30, 2009, 07:41:41 PM
think myself it's nice to see two counties from the stongest and most successful football province make it though, they should be fresh at any rate.
cork favourites on current form, however get feeling Kerry doing what it takes so far and will be a different proposition in three weeks time. Indiffent about result
Fixed that for you
Quote from: ONeill on August 30, 2009, 06:01:30 PM
The final was last week.
It will be the closest to an AI final thatTyrone will be in quite a few years.
Cork to win, comfortably.
Cork slight favorites on paddypower with Kerry available at 11/10
Liked the look of Walsh when he came on today. I'd say he will start the final, roam out to MF if needed.
I think a replay might required in this final?
Cork will turn up, Counihan will see to that. Will Kerry? If they do, it could be a classic. Kerry by a nose.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 30, 2009, 06:20:43 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 30, 2009, 06:10:05 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on August 30, 2009, 06:03:35 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 30, 2009, 05:59:37 PM
Why was the Mcguigan blasts Splliane thread deleted?
i hate when someone does that, it was there 10 minutes ago. .
Mike Sheehy tipped them over the edge :D
Its funny watching an entire county doing a "kevin Keegan" ;D
A certain Mr Spillane's rant last Sunday was a bit Keegan-esk? No?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 30, 2009, 05:59:37 PM
Why was the Mcguigan blasts Splliane thread deleted?
Conor Counihan had it removed.
We do not need that kind of article posted up for Kerry players to see.
We do not need Kerry players thinking: "so they think they are going to hammer us..... "
Most unhelpful.
Quote from: moysider on August 30, 2009, 08:58:40 PM
Pity both of them cant lose.
I'd accuse you of begrudgery except I feel the same about the hurling :-\
Firstly may I just say that Id like to see the team that beat Tyrone win the AI and thats Cork.
I think this final could be a pure dirtfest of a match. Corks discipline is suspect - I would imagine this is one area Kerry can exploit.
Kerry retain the potential to have this game won inside 20 minutes as this team hits ye hard and early.
If Cork dont fold their cards early they will win, a much superior team. A concern over Kerry would be that in nay matches over the last decade, that they have played a team with an organised defense have shown time and time again they dont have the balls for the big fight. Lie down in front of them and they will walk all over you.
Quote from: moysider on August 30, 2009, 08:58:40 PM
Pity both of them cant lose. I d have to prefer Kerry. I ll probably leave after the minor match.
dont let the door hit you in the arse on the way out ;)
Mayo should be awarded the All-Ireland posthumously.
Otherwise I think Cork will win. Kerry seem to be overleveraged.
Quote from: rrhf on August 31, 2009, 12:47:20 PM
Firstly may I just say that Id like to see the team that beat Tyrone win the AI and thats Cork.
I think this final could be a pure dirtfest of a match. Corks discipline is suspect - I would imagine this is one area Kerry can exploit.
Kerry retain the potential to have this game won inside 20 minutes as this team hits ye hard and early.
If Cork dont fold their cards early they will win, a much superior team. A concern over Kerry would be that in nay matches over the last decade, that they have played a team with an organised defense have shown time and time again they dont have the balls for the big fight. Lie down in front of them and they will walk all over you.
give it up rrhf. niggling at us now is pointless. Tyrone are just good at stopping other teams play. They haven't the class and ability to sustain them beyond that which is why you have failed so miserably to defend a title. I know its a tough pill to swallow to see the Kingdom march to their 6th AI in appearance in a row and, hopefully, our 5th AI win this decade but you're efforts would be better employed developing the natural footballers that you lack. Players of the consistent class that you need to mount a sustained challenges. Players that will not only help you win a 2-in-a-row but players that will be appreciated and remembered by neutrals for their special skills not simply work horses like the McMahons or Gormley or....those other fellas...christ, I cant tell them apart, they are all the same....see they are already being forgotten !
I suppose the best thing that can be said about Tyrone is that they were very good at dragging teams down to their level....they excelled at mediocrity, so to speak. Tisn't much of a legacy...but I suppose tis a legacy all the same.
The referee will have a job and a half on his hands. Rumour has it that Marty Duffy, Sligo is to be the man in the middle.
Big men for big games ??? O'Rourke wrong again.
Paddy Power is doing a book on the first man to be sent off.
marty duffy definitly reffing the final
Feck I'm bored, now for a little sport.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2009, 08:09:36 PM
Tyrone are just good at stopping other teams play.
2005 25 September Tyrone 1-16 Kerry 2-10
2008 21 September Tyrone 1-15 Kerry 0-14You were outscored, and outplayed. You don't score 1-16 and 1-15 in All-Ireland finals just by stopping other teams from playing.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2009, 08:09:36 PM
They haven't the class and ability to sustain them beyond that which is why you have failed so miserably to defend a title.
Yeah, I suppose the captain's death and a series of horrific injuries are just run of the mill. Regarding this year: Cork beat ourselves this year, and they also beat your lot. You've won nothing yet.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2009, 08:09:36 PM
I know its a tough pill to swallow to see the Kingdom march to their 6th AI in appearance in a row and, hopefully, our 5th AI win this decade but you're efforts would be better employed developing the natural footballers that you lack.
Not at all. It would be so much worse if you were going for 6 All-Irelands in a row, and only we were better than you on every single occasion that we've met in the last decade you probably would be going for SAM number 6 in a row.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2009, 08:09:36 PM
Players of the consistent class that you need to mount a sustained challenges. Players that will not only help you win a 2-in-a-row but players that will be appreciated and remembered by neutrals for their special skills not simply work horses like the McMahons or Gormley or....those other fellas...christ, I cant tell them apart, they are all the same....see they are already being forgotten !
You can't remember footballers of the year, there's a surprise, NOT. Not to mention your previous extolling of the workhorse virtues of Paul Galvin. I think all that can be established from that little rant is that you know precious little about football, period.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2009, 08:09:36 PM
I suppose the best thing that can be said about Tyrone is that they were very good at dragging teams down to their level....they excelled at mediocrity, so to speak. Tisn't much of a legacy...but I suppose tis a legacy all the same.
3 All-Irelands in 6 years will do us, so far. You never know, your lot might be able to break that 23 years of being incapable of beating Tyrone in the Championship... one of these decades.
Entertaining and all as the Kerry V Tyrone banter always is, I don't think it has much relevance to this year's final.
ABC
Tyronites, with an outbreak of the decade complex on the AIF thread, in banter with a troll.
This thread could die a horrible death.
For some bizarre reason Marty Duffy will get the job.
McQuillan, Bannon and Kinnevey have all stained their bibs over the last 3 weeks. The ineptitude is alarming.
Duffy was kept in quarantine the last few weeks - didn't even get a linesman gig.
But then he is a brilliant ref when you compare him to the brother.
What?
He's way too small to ref an All-Ireland final!
He did get a lot of credit for the way he reffed the new rules in the Dublin V Tyrone league game.
Quote from: criostlinn on September 01, 2009, 02:12:40 PM
He did get a lot of credit for the way he reffed the new rules in the Dublin V Tyrone league game.
I've a feeling this game would finish 5-a-side under the new rules. Hope I am proved wrong.
Whoa!
Did Tyrone lose?
Quote from: orangeman on August 31, 2009, 10:36:29 PM
Paddy Power is doing a book on the first man to be sent off.
Interesting..... without looking at paddypower.com I'm guessing...
Joint favourite: O'Leary, Galvin
Followed by:
D O'Sé
Pearse O'Neill
Miskella
Tomas O'Sé
alan O'Connor
Graham Canty
We could be down to 11 a side by the end :)
Quote from: Barney on September 01, 2009, 12:01:21 PM
For some bizarre reason Marty Duffy will get the job.
McQuillan, Bannon and Kinnevey have all stained their bibs over the last 3 weeks. The ineptitude is alarming.
Duffy was kept in quarantine the last few weeks - didn't even get a linesman gig.
But then he is a brilliant ref when you compare him to the brother.
But Barney his brother is beyond bad...as a Sligoman I wish him well, but I dont rate him as ref, ive seen have good days but they would be in the minority...
Most people were expecting Pat McEneaney to be thrown the whistle for this one. Duffy mightn't be too bad please God but Banty reffed Kerry v Cork already this year. I thought he would be given it again considering it could be a tempestous affair. Hopefully O'Leary will behave himself in this one and leave Paul Galvin alone.
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 01, 2009, 07:47:40 PM
Most people were expecting Pat McEneaney to be thrown the whistle for this one. Duffy mightn't be too bad please God but Banty reffed Kerry v Cork already this year. I thought he would be given it again considering it could be a tempestous affair. Hopefully O'Leary will behave himself in this one and leave Paul Galvin alone.
And O'Neill would need to leave big innocent Dara alone too? There always startin fights them Cork boys!
Quote from: tyssam5 on September 01, 2009, 08:50:02 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 01, 2009, 07:47:40 PM
Most people were expecting Pat McEneaney to be thrown the whistle for this one. Duffy mightn't be too bad please God but Banty reffed Kerry v Cork already this year. I thought he would be given it again considering it could be a tempestous affair. Hopefully O'Leary will behave himself in this one and leave Paul Galvin alone.
And O'Neill would need to leave big innocent Dara alone too? There always startin fights them Cork boys!
Darragh has got 2 red cards in his 80 game championship career - both for rows with O'Neill !!
Quote from: Barney on September 01, 2009, 12:01:21 PM
For some bizarre reason Marty Duffy will get the job.
McQuillan, Bannon and Kinnevey have all stained their bibs over the last 3 weeks. The ineptitude is alarming.
Duffy was kept in quarantine the last few weeks - didn't even get a linesman gig.
But then he is a brilliant ref when you compare him to the brother.
A joke decision. And you're right about the brother too. The joy of being a low-level club in our county is not being exposed to their egotism with the whistle.
Kerry v Cork, no pitch invasion, and Duffy reffing - never mind not going, I'll hardly have the heart to even watch it.
GAA All Ireland Football Final Referees
The GAA have confirmed that Marty Duffy of Sligo has been appointed to referee the GAA All Ireland Senior football championship final between Kerry and Cork at Croke Park on Sunday, September 20th. The Enniscrone/Kilglass man will be taking charge of his first ever All Ireland senior final. M. Duffy has previously refereed a number of Sligo and Connacht Finals and took charge of this years Allianz National Football League Final between Kerry and Derry. He also officiated at the Dublin V Tyrone league meeting on 31st January 2009.
The ESB All Ireland minor football final will be refereed by Eddie Kinsella of Laois. He joined the National Referees panel in 2005 and won Junior and Intermediate Club Championships with his Club, Courtwood in 1988 and 1989.
Was just wondering there folks how many times has a team beaten the same team twice in one championship?
Has it ever happened?
I know Derry came back to haunt us back in 2001 I think & then we defeated Armagh in 2005 after forfeiting the Ulster final after a replay.
Has there been many other instances of where teams have beaten another team, having lost to them early in the year?
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 02, 2009, 12:02:00 PM
Was just wondering there folks how many times has a team beaten the same team twice in one championship?
Has it ever happened?
I know Derry came back to haunt us back in 2001 I think & then we defeated Armagh in 2005 after forfeiting the Ulster final after a replay.
Has there been many other instances of where teams have beaten another team, having lost to them early in the year?
Galway beat Ross in the 2001 quarter final after losing to them in the 1st round of the Championship.
Kerry beat Cork twice in 2005.
Off course I forgot about that game in 2005.
Kerry also beat Cork twice in 2007
Quote from: blanketattack on September 02, 2009, 02:39:37 PM
Kerry also beat Cork twice in 2007
Kerry recently have always seemed to beat Armagh when it mattered most. Maybe this year can be different.
Should be a great game. Kerry will be primed and with the addition of Tadhg Kennelly and Paul Galvin in the half forward line and Mike McCarthy are a far better team than last year. The management team also have control of the dressing room.
The win in 2007 for me was a real anticlimax, we even had pity for Cork. This year on the other hand iif we win will be very sweet seeing how the year is turning out especially the way we are/were written off.
Now that the hurling has been decided the build up should begin in earnest . It will be a titanic battle . Not much coming out in terms of possible line ups or any potential injuries /changes .
I hope that Jack is working on a big improvement from the Meath game .
hope kerry kick their ass*s. didn't think cynicism could sink as low as the cork tactics versus tyrone. kerry are a shoe-in. get the money on i'm telling you. 6-8 points winning margin for kerry, or i'll eat my trunks!
Quote from: Seamus on September 06, 2009, 02:49:11 PM
Should be a great game. Kerry will be primed and with the addition of Tadhg Kennelly and Paul Galvin in the half forward line and Mike McCarthy are a far better team than last year. The management team also have control of the dressing room.
The win in 2007 for me was a real anticlimax, we even had pity for Cork. This year on the other hand iif we win will be very sweet seeing how the year is turning out especially the way we are/were written off.
I'm not sure how you can say this.
They were far more impressive in the run to the final last year.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 07, 2009, 02:37:41 PM
Quote from: Seamus on September 06, 2009, 02:49:11 PM
Should be a great game. Kerry will be primed and with the addition of Tadhg Kennelly and Paul Galvin in the half forward line and Mike McCarthy are a far better team than last year. The management team also have control of the dressing room.
The win in 2007 for me was a real anticlimax, we even had pity for Cork. This year on the other hand iif we win will be very sweet seeing how the year is turning out especially the way we are/were written off.
I'm not sure how you can say this.
They were far more impressive in the run to the final last year.
Indeed. Kerry (like Tyrone in fact) looked stronger on paper in 2009 than in 2008 but havent in the main lived up to that on the pitch. The point about the management team is debatable too, they didnt seem to have full control of the dressing room a few weeks ago ;D.
In typical GAA fashion Kerry were all to quickly written off on the back of a few poor performances. They were then similarly all too quickly proclaimed as a wonder team after one massive win (against a very flaky team). The truth is somewhere in between and it will be very interesting to see how Kerry perform on the big day. Will it be the somewhat tired looking Kerry we've seen most of the summer or the explosive version from the Dublin match? It could be their mental hold over Cork will see them prevail but Id also have a slight position that if Cork hit the ground running they could roll right over the Kingdom.
Yeah, Kerry are definitely better than last year
- add a better manager, better trainer and essentially 3 new players - Paul Galvin, Mike Mac and Tadgh Kennelly
Quote from: blanketattack on September 07, 2009, 08:04:54 PM
Yeah, Kerry are definitely better than last year
- add a better manager, better trainer and essentially 3 new players - Paul Galvin, Mike Mac and Tadgh Kennelly
I can't see where this notion is coming from, sure they were a kick away from being dumped out Nd that wasn't a result of a one off poor performance it was a build up of very poor games. One big win against a debatable top 5 side and they're bigged up as a wonder team. As has been said before they're somewhere in between but I expect cork will be too much, was very impressed by them against ourselves but you can never write off the kingdom!
I wouldn't say Kerry are better than last year at all. Donaghy is a massive loss.
Kerry last year looked invincible until the final. This year some may argue they had a much more measured approach or some may argue they just weren't firing. They've had to bring back Mike McCarthy and had to discipline boys so I;'d go for the latter but it will make them stronger.
It's rare they'd go into a final as underdogs. (They are in my eyes anyway) I think they'll be beat by a couple. It'll be tight though.
What's the build up like down there? Missing the feeling.
Quote from: ONeill on September 08, 2009, 06:00:27 PM
What's the build up like down there? Missing the feeling.
I am finding it a bit quiet . I think there is an element of cautiousness on both sides given how close games have been on balance since the 2007 final . As usual some guys (on both sides ) cant see their team been beaten . I as a Kerry man am worried that Donaghy is lacking full match fitness and might not figure . I think it is very hard for a player to miss so many matches and be expected to make a major impact in an All Ireland Final .
I hope Jack has the lads ready to peak on the big day just like 2004 and 2006 .?
I need to find myself a ticket while avoiding getting into a bidding war . I spent far too much for tickets in the past 2 finals . I never get one through the club so I have to rely on other sources .
whats the availability of tockets like for the final?
might go down on sunday to match it as ive business further south on the monday
Quote from: gaagaa on September 09, 2009, 08:45:25 PM
whats the availability of tockets like for the final?
might go down on sunday to match it as ive business further south on the monday
Not sure yet ,heard a lot of tickets turmed up the day of the hurling .
Quote from: johnpower on September 09, 2009, 08:54:18 PM
Quote from: gaagaa on September 09, 2009, 08:45:25 PM
whats the availability of tockets like for the final?
might go down on sunday to match it as ive business further south on the monday
Not sure yet ,heard a lot of tickets turmed up the day of the hurling .
Just to keep the topic on page 1
What are the sentiments down Kingdom way John, confident?
We've been training behind closed doors this last 2 weeks (one to keep the Langers away, two to keep the Swine flu out and 3 to get some good auld fashioned skelping out of the systems), some of the talk around Langerland this week is not that they are going to win but that they will give us a good hiding in the process such is their confidence, I hear Kerry's training is just about coming up with new ways to keep the ball kicked out to the Langeroos so they can win in style.
Your would nearly be happy for them to win adding to their depressingly low 6 All Irelands.
Lowest build up I have seen in all my years for a final, but the pressure is really on the Langers no doubt about that, they cannot be seen to be the team to lose 6 times to Kerry in Croke Park, they would become an even bigger laughing stock than their hurlers at the start of the year if that is possible. The Ball Grabber will have them primed though and it will be an interesting battle ahead.
Sláinte KM, as entertainingly objective as ever :D
I wonder where Sam is now?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 10, 2009, 08:08:28 PM
What are the sentiments down Kingdom way John, confident?
Fear , No real confidence .From what I hear from my sources (closer to things than I ) there exists a bit of worry about the the drop in form against the Royals . This combined with Donaghys lack of match practice are causing me some concern . The pace and power of Corks middle third will be hard to overcome .
QuoteI wonder where Sam is now?
Its another September after Tyrone have won it, so ye are getting good at the drill at this stage, It usually goes along the line of Tyrone being out of football again in August followed by a few weeks of moaning, so tell Cuthbert to shine Mr Maguire up well and send him back to Croke Park in good condition this time. Thanks.
Quote from: johnpower on September 10, 2009, 08:40:56 PM
Fear , No real confidence .From what I hear from my sources (closer to things than I ) there exists a bit of worry about the the drop in form against the Royals . This combined with Donaghys lack of match practice are causing me some concern . The pace and power of Corks middle third will be hard to overcome .
Concern about Donaghy is understandable John, I'd be very surprised if he's a starter; a first game after injury at this stage of the Championship (or even from the Quarters on) is a very risky strategy.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 10, 2009, 08:25:47 PM
We've been training behind closed doors this last 2 weeks (one to keep the Langers away, two to keep the Swine flu out and 3 to get some good auld fashioned skelping out of the systems), some of the talk around Langerland this week is not that they are going to win but that they will give us a good hiding in the process such is their confidence, I hear Kerry's training is just about coming up with new ways to keep the ball kicked out to the Langeroos so they can win in style.
Your would nearly be happy for them to win adding to their depressingly low 6 All Irelands.
Lowest build up I have seen in all my years for a final, but the pressure is really on the Langers no doubt about that, they cannot be seen to be the team to lose 6 times to Kerry in Croke Park, they would become an even bigger laughing stock than their hurlers at the start of the year if that is possible. The Ball Grabber will have them primed though and it will be an interesting battle ahead.
No Brendan Guiney around to be going "back to basics" this year though KM!
Brendan is gone from the panel a few years, but he was a handy man to have around the training field. He was rewarded by getting two runs in winning finals for the last few mins of both. An unlucky player who could never break into the starting line up but he was a good footballer in his day.
Quote from: ONeill on September 10, 2009, 08:33:38 PM
I wonder where Sam is now?
in the shower...washing the filth away...........
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 10, 2009, 10:06:55 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 10, 2009, 08:33:38 PM
I wonder where Sam is now?
in the shower...washing the filth away...........
Nah, nah, not at all. It got the filth with that goat and muck loving
shower it was unfortunate enough to end up with in September of 2007 after another Axminster carpet impression by the opposition, and damned glad it was too to get rid of it on the 21st of September last year. It's been clean for the last twelve months, and probably will be for the next twelve too! :D
Quote from: johnpower on September 10, 2009, 08:40:56 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 10, 2009, 08:08:28 PM
What are the sentiments down Kingdom way John, confident?
Fear , No real confidence .From what I hear from my sources (closer to things than I ) there exists a bit of worry about the the drop in form against the Royals . This combined with Donaghys lack of match practice are causing me some concern . The pace and power of Corks middle third will be hard to overcome .
Don't we all love this cute-hoorism every year...
7 pages??
With the rivalry between Cork and Kerry being as intense as it is, I would have thought there would have been more chatter about the All Ireland final between these 2 in 8 days.
What's the buzz like down there? Is everyone getting into it like the Tyronies did dressing the Tinnies? Any goats getting painted?
From here, it seems as if it is kind of flat this year.
From today's Irish Times;
ALL-IRELAND SFC FINAL: TOM HUMPHRIES asks Darragh Ó Sé about the highlights of his 16-season Kerry career, the lowlights, and whether he'll be extending that intercounty vocation into next year.
HE WORKS daily in the most humbling of environments, making his crust as an estate agent on Tralee's Street of Champions. Micko has a fast food joint across the way. Mikey Sheehy, the Bomber, Seánie Walsh and more all toil within hailing distance.
He walks in the considerable shadow of his uncle Páidí, like Sheehy one of that rare breed (five men in all) with eight All-Ireland senior football medals in the drawer. He plays for club and county with two brothers of considerable accomplishment.
He wears the jersey of the most storied and glorious county in football.
And yet he stands out luminously, as one of those footballers for whom the Christian name is sufficient for recognition and discussion.
He is an Ó Sé and a proud one, but first and foremost he is Darragh. His own self.
Sixteen seasons shedding sweat in the Kerry engine room, the most demanding job in football, have led to this. Next Sunday, he plays his ninth All-Ireland final, his 81st championship game and strikes out looking for his sixth All-Ireland medal. He does these things with the same ravenous hunger with which he went about winning his first medal.
In that sense, he is a warrior of the old school. He draws his motivation from a well that never runs dry. Kerry.
"I get great motivation out of just playing for Kerry. I love the jersey. I like the golden years. I like the history of everything that went before. I like that we are a little continuation of that. I enjoy that. I just like Kerry football, the whole thing, the big package.
"That's doesn't work for everyone. Other guys, it doesn't do it for them. Management's job is to get those guys ticking. It is a tough job, but for me that's it. I just love playing for Kerry."
That sense of spiritual communion between Darragh and those who pay to watch him accounts in part for his enduring popularity in a county where criticism is often swingeing and harsh. He began playing before the time of radio phone-ins and internet chat rooms, but in his spirit, his demeanour and the style of his play he seems to embody the sporting aspirations of the unique football county he sprang from.
His reputation is larger now than it was mid career.
That's Darragh Ó Sé.
He represents the essence of the game in Kerry and his decision to cling perhaps by the fingernails (if that is what it took) to a place on the team and the panel when anybody else would have walked off into a golden sunset represents what every Kerry fan thinks they would do too.
But every Kerry fan doesn't have to slog around Fitzgerald Stadium shedding the pounds that accrue to a man of 34 years of age when he takes the winter and spring off to be there for his new baby.
When Ella arrived seven and a half months ago he was far from decided about his footballing future. He came back in the end just to have a go at it. There was the bit of hunger left and he craved the challenge. At 34 the metabolism slows and you have to work twice as hard to get the fitness back. He worked harder than anyone. Summer was hardly started before he was back in the cockpit.
"This year is a huge bonus. This was a big year at home for myself and Amy. To come back in the spring and to go through the mill? I'd often say when I was struggling, what the hell brought me back? But I wouldn't change it.
"Even when things are going bad for me personally I am competing at a level that at my age I would hope to compete at. There is nothing to compare to a team victory. All the work goes in by everybody and the victory is shared by 36, 37 people. That is huge.
"For me that is the real enjoyment. You can look forward to that sense of achievement in winning. Doubting yourself and coming through. All the combinations. Am I good? Am I feeling gammy? It is a great game. If it were PlayStation it would be the best game ever made. This game is so great because there are so many variables. It's human beings. Nothing will compare. Of course, there is family and work etc, but in general day-to-day stuff nothing will give that buzz again.
"That's what is enjoyable. It is for yourself, in a sense. The challenge of winning. Enjoying the game, competing, getting fit again. Disappointment is part of that too. At the end, though, it is still worth it. Had we lost against Sligo, say, it would still have been worth coming back."
Really?
"It would of course. If I got five or 10 minutes with those players, playing in the Kerry jersey with them. It would, of course."
So coming back. It wasn't imperative that you had to start every game. You would have taken the five or 10 minutes if necessary? "I came back with an open mind. We had new management. I didn't know what they were thinking. It was a vague thing. I didn't know where I was, playing-wise. I don't pick the teams. It just fell the way it did.
"Coming back in I knew there was a process to be gone through. The midfield that were there through the league were super. They won every game, but you have to believe you will start. Training is no good unless you believe that. The same as the fellas I compete with for the place, they have to believe they will start too or they are no good either. And that makes for good football. For aggressiveness and physical play. And that brings the team on.
"There is a bond there. You know you wouldn't be where you are but for those players who push you on. There is a fierce competitiveness there between you as individuals, but at the same time there is a bond because you know that by competing as hard as you can with each other you make the team better.
"There is a common goal. That is the reality of it. There is a good unity that comes from that. So, when I came back, being part of that was what I was looking for."
Sixteen summers, five All-Ireland medals, nine All-Ireland finals, four Kerry managers, 12 midfield partners, 21 different counties played, only one of which he never got the better of.
Tyrone are missing from next Sunday's final. Will-o'-the-wisps vanishing again when Kerry most badly wanted to play them.
Regrets?
"Yerra, we have had our cracks at Tyrone. We wouldn't be too caught up about it. We had our few chances at them and by and large most teams that beat you deserve to beat you. I felt maybe last year we shot ourselves in the foot a bit, but it's like Tipp against Kilkenny. I hold no resentment toward them and Tipp must be the same way. Tyrone held the cup going home at the end of the day. That's sport.
"Last week Tipp put in such an admirable effort to win. Like the Marty Morrissey thing. I could see Brian Cody's point. They put in the effort to win when it got tough. A free over the bar from 100 yards after Benny Dunne was sent off, the Shefflin penalty. The Comerford goal.
"For such an excellent team Kilkenny deserve their accolades. They don't care about records. They want to get as much as possible out of the group that is there now. I understand that."
Meath in 2001 is the one game that he can't explain to himself. It defies analysis. Refuses to be parsed or dissected or reduced in significance by the passage of time. Tyrone rank surprisingly low on his list of regrets.
"People ask if beating them (Meath) the last day (in the All-Ireland semi-final) fixed that. No. It didn't really. It's not the same team anymore. We don't know what happened that day. Meath were as good as us. They won the All-Ireland in 1999 and we won in 2000 so we weren't 10 or 15 points worse than them. That day and losing the club final to Caltra in 2004, maybe losing to Armagh as captain in 2002 – they were the worst.
"Tyrone, you'd have to package the games together. Would I have liked to have beaten Tyrone? Of course. But I don't lie awake at night. Tyrone? I can look at the games and say this went wrong or that went wrong. I don't lose sleep over it."
All that costs him sleep is the buzzing of his mobile the odd evening when Paul Galvin sends him reports on training written in the style of Ross O'Carroll Kelly: "Dorra, I said to Jack, roysh, these fockers . . . "
The pair travel from Tralee to Killarney together for training a few times a week. Old stagers who don't feel the need to talk about football anymore. Either that, or the car journeys are a chance to escape the talk about the game which permeates all aspects of Kerry life like a constant light drizzle.
This season has been typical of the goldfish bowl existence the Kerry footballer endures. Rumours swirled over the heads of the panel from the time they lost against Cork until they beat Dublin in Croke Park.
Then, of course, the rumours cleared like a morning mist.
"It got exaggerated this year. The management were looking for something to buck things up perhaps. The boys (Colm Cooper and Tomás Ó Sé) weren't far offside, in fairness. Where it got messy was that it made the papers. The lads have families.
"It went too far in that respect. Management are management and they have to do their job, but in Kerry you have the rumour machine. It is crazy. Everyone gets sucked in, like your man in Willy Wonka getting sucked into the machine. Everyone in the county is like that."
Darragh's way of dealing with it is perhaps the healthiest and most novel. "I can't help adding to it! Somebody would ask me something ridiculous like 'did Donaghy and Galvin have a big fight in training?' Sure you can't help but look surprised and say to them, 'well, sorry, I can't comment on that'. And you know then that it will take legs. You can make it fun then. I go into training and tell the lads, knock a bit of craic out of it.
It's easy for me, I've been around the block for so long. If you took any notice of the stuff you would go mad. My wife couldn't believe this craic at first. How is it happening? These rumours, where are they coming from? The one thing about Kerry people is that we have writers and poets and we love a good story."
He has heard volumes of stories about himself, naturally. Many of the great ones are about Jack O'Connor and himself sparring off verbally, sometimes physically. He tells you this and then pauses unable to help himself. The mischievous grin gives him away.
"Of course, you wouldn't know what's true and what's not true there either! Ah, there have been several good ones about myself. A lot of them would be related to where you were seen. You could be working in Kenmare, meeting a client, and be spotted there.
"You would be somewhere else the following day. There'd be two different rumours going then as to what you would be doing in those places. This is the ideal rumour scenario. Was he drinking? Was he not? What was he doing in Kenmare? Same as in the other place?"
He heard one story this summer concerning Tadhg Kennelly. A man just approached him, a reliable man offering the currency of solid sources. He swore the story was true.
"He was there, apparently. I asked him. I said, 'Are you sure of that'? He said he was, he was 100 per cent sure. This is a decent man. He was totally convinced, but I happened to be there at the function he was talking about and nothing happened yet this poor man believed it like gospel.
"Sometimes then there are rumours that I put out myself. A few years ago I made one up about an incident at training.
"I told a certain barman in Kerry that Barry O'Shea had a row with Páidí in training and it got messy and continued in the showers where Barry hit Páidí. I said to him, 'You have to keep that under your hat now. Please.' Four or five days later your man rings me, abusing me. 'That never happened.' I said, 'but sure I assume you didn't tell anybody, did you'? 'Ah, f**k you!' he says."
It all helps, he reckons. It relates to what Páidí said about the rough animals. It just all adds to the joyful mystery of what Kerry football is. No matter where you go in Kerry there will always be talk of the football and rumour and anecdote and innuendo.
"That contributes to the interest and the culture of it. You are never far from it. That brings a seriousness in itself, it brings its own pressure. You don't want to be part of the team that comes home without the bacon. It can be constructive.
"In the panel then when the stuff is going on, well I don't really buy into the siege mentality stuff, but it works in a way You're dealing with it. If you get caught up in it you won't see the wood for the trees at all.
"At the end, the beauty of the Kerry rumour machine is that it work so efficiently it defeats itself. The rumour spreads like mad and at the end of the day there will 10 or 12 different versions of the same rumour going around the county and nobody knows what to believe. Sure you have to enjoy that!"
And so?
Is next Sunday the final curtain.
"My last game: I don't know. I'll retire when Maurice Fitz retires! Maurice always says to me that he is still available for selection, he never retired. I haven't thought about it this year. I have enjoyed every minute and every second. I came on the panel in 1993 and we had a great bunch of lads. Ogie in charge. Good spirit there. We were good, but just not good enough. Cork were strong, the northern teams were strong, we had an excellent minor team in 1994 and good under-21 sides after.
"But from my point of view, those years gave me great grounding – 1997 for me was so special I appreciated everything that came after."
He delivers a lengthy encomium on the merits of this Cork team and their manager, Conor Counihan. Then he sighs.
"Sure, it's a huge challenge for us, but where else would you be at this hour of life, but in Croke Park on Sunday? It's a Cork- Kerry game. It's an unknown. How good they will be? How good we will be?
"I get sick of this thing in a way of arguing that we are underdogs or they are underdogs. It's Cork v Kerry. Anything can happen. There are no underdogs."
"You can sit down afterwards and say how did I compete here, how did I do there? I broke even here etc. Next day, it's Pearse O'Neill or Alan O'Connor or whoever, they are all big bruisers so you would challenge yourself again. If it is not happening for you, can you make it happen for somebody else. That is the real enjoyment. You can look forward to that sense of achievement. That is what I will miss too."
He gets up, proposes coffee next door with Mikey Sheehy, greatness supping with greatness. They are joined by John L McElligott and the trio rib each other mercilessly with a humour and a frankness built on a sure foundation of respect and friendship. That's Kerry, the great reeks of football history are always towering over you.
Next Sunday, win or lose, Darragh Ó Sé joins that elite group of men who have lived and thrived at the highest altitude.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 12, 2009, 12:20:52 AM
7 pages??
With the rivalry between Cork and Kerry being as intense as it is, I would have thought there would have been more chatter about the All Ireland final between these 2 in 8 days.
What's the buzz like down there? Is everyone getting into it like the Tyronies did dressing the Tinnies? Any goats getting painted?
From here, it seems as if it is kind of flat this year.
Obviously you dont read the Kerry Gaa website?
18 pages here. .
http://kerrygaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2247&page=1#77538
no doubt theres loads on it on rebelgaa.com but they'll only let you in if you register and i aint registering on any langerboard :D
Cheers lads, I only ever read here and orchardcounty.com
QuoteCheers lads, I only ever read here and orchardcounty.com
This is ulstergaaboard...we will not lower ourselves to discuss football with you nordie wums. You lads know nothing about football...only systems and tactics and all that other bullshit that has passed for football these past few years. Thank god football has been saved by the aristocrats from the Southwest. Two great and proper traditional football couties from the glorious free state going at it in a battle for Sam.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 12, 2009, 12:20:52 AM
7 pages??
With the rivalry between Cork and Kerry being as intense as it is, I would have thought there would have been more chatter about the All Ireland final between these 2 in 8 days.
What's the buzz like down there? Is everyone getting into it like the Tyronies did dressing the Tinnies? Any goats getting painted?
From here, it seems as if it is kind of flat this year.
Peter McKenna gets 10 pages .
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 12, 2009, 09:48:51 PM
QuoteCheers lads, I only ever read here and orchardcounty.com
This is ulstergaaboard...we will not lower ourselves to discuss football with you nordie wums. You lads know nothing about football...only systems and tactics and all that other bullshit that has passed for football these past few years. Thank god football has been saved by the aristocrats from the Southwest. Two great and proper traditional football couties from the glorious free state going at it in a battle for Sam.
Absolutely.. COME ON CORK!
Was at the Irish News awards the other night... was some cheer any time someone on stage predicted Cork to win. kerry have become very unpopular which is a pity for what once was a respected county.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 13, 2009, 12:39:39 AM
Was at the Irish News awards the other night... was some cheer any time someone on stage predicted Cork to win. kerry have become very unpopular which is a pity for what once was a respected county.
We may be unpopular because of being the most consistent county in football but we'll still be respected.
I hope this game won't be sullied by another Kerry dive-fest like the Meat game.
Meat is in what county. Great contribution on your first post. Just what the board needs . Keep up the good work.
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 13, 2009, 09:04:57 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 13, 2009, 12:39:39 AM
Was at the Irish News awards the other night... was some cheer any time someone on stage predicted Cork to win. kerry have become very unpopular which is a pity for what once was a respected county.
We may be unpopular because of being the most consistent county in football but we'll still be respected.
don't think so-the '75 to '86 team was much more consistent and successful and was well respected and popular throughout Ireland
Kerry Mike - how's the ticket search? Am hoping for some news for the Burkino Fasa trans-gender tiddly-winks team from Uncle Frank.
Very randomly, I'm flying to Cork in the morning for a week's work in the city, and I'm excited to be down there for the build-up. I'm not looking forward to people asking me for tickets - have already had it and I haven't even met the people I'm working with!
Despite Tyrone not being in the final, I reckon I'm in the next best place for the week before.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 13, 2009, 02:29:12 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 13, 2009, 09:04:57 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 13, 2009, 12:39:39 AM
Was at the Irish News awards the other night... was some cheer any time someone on stage predicted Cork to win. kerry have become very unpopular which is a pity for what once was a respected county.
We may be unpopular because of being the most consistent county in football but we'll still be respected.
don't think so-the '75 to '86 team was much more consistent and successful and was well respected and popular throughout Ireland
I detect some sour grapes Fox ! ;)
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 13, 2009, 01:54:50 PM
Meat is in what county. Great contribution on your first post. Just what the board needs . Keep up the good work.
Pat Spillane will tell you all about the great footballers we have in Meat. ;)
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 13, 2009, 02:29:12 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 13, 2009, 09:04:57 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 13, 2009, 12:39:39 AM
Was at the Irish News awards the other night... was some cheer any time someone on stage predicted Cork to win. kerry have become very unpopular which is a pity for what once was a respected county.
We may be unpopular because of being the most consistent county in football but we'll still be respected.
don't think so-the '75 to '86 team was much more consistent and successful and was well respected and popular throughout Ireland
oh god, what will we do....we are not popular..... ::)
or respected ;)
Quote from: Rois on September 13, 2009, 09:03:18 PM
Very randomly, I'm flying to Cork in the morning for a week's work in the city, and I'm excited to be down there for the build-up. I'm not looking forward to people asking me for tickets - have already had it and I haven't even met the people I'm working with!
Despite Tyrone not being in the final, I reckon I'm in the next best place for the week before.
Dont expect chat 24/7 about the game .If you are based in the city football does not top the agenda with some folks .
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 13, 2009, 12:39:39 AM
Was at the Irish News awards the other night... was some cheer any time someone on stage predicted Cork to win. kerry have become very unpopular which is a pity for what once was a respected county.
So disappointing to hear we will be on our own on Sunday .The way it always has been
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 13, 2009, 10:14:52 PM
or respected ;)
Ha ha ! You do have a big inferiority complex!
oxymoran :D look it up
Get a room you two.
"It would of course. If I got five or 10 minutes with those players, playing in the Kerry jersey with them. It would, of course."
Good interview with Darragh there, liked the bit about making the rumours himself.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 13, 2009, 01:54:50 PM
Meat is in what county. Great contribution on your first post. Just what the board needs . Keep up the good work.
Isn't that how you spell Meath down in kerry? I didn't want to confuse any kerry posters.
Thanks for your positive encouragement, I hope my stay here will enrich this board.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkPHRH11TTc
Not wise - them Cork boys ! :D
Part time goalkeeper and wannabe corner-back Alan Quirke has been dispatched to Dublin, today Monday September 14th by courier, ahead of Sunday's All Ireland Senior football final between Kerry who are chasing their 36th title and Quirke's Cork who will be going for just their 7th title.
Cork Manager Conor Counihan speaking at the low key sending-off at the DHL facility in Cork Airport said, "we are sending Alan to Dublin by an express, secure and traceable method in advance of Sunday's big game to familiarise himself with the surrounding of the big city and the layout of Croke Park in particular.
Counihan continued: "As you are aware Alan unfortunately went missing sometime after the start of the last All-Ireland final that Cork played in back in 2007, also against Kerry, and the only television coverage we have of him is in the pre-match parade where he gave a couple of scared looks over at the frightening Kerry players, thankfully after an extensive search on the Sunday night and Monday morning he was found in time for the return train journey to Cork that Monday afternoon, by which time my predecessor, the great Billy Morgan, had to break the sad news to him that we had lost again to Kerry, conceding 3 very soft goals and had somehow managed to make even bigger Langers of ourselves than normal, but at least he was safe and well. So we are taking no chances this time."
Quirke's location in Dublin will remain a secret but insiders in the Cork camp have hinted that he may be living in a tent in the small square at the Hill 16 end of the field until Sunday, with the hope of getting him used to staying in the vicinity of the goals which may come in handy when it matters on Sunday afternoon.
Quote from: Zulu on September 14, 2009, 06:53:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkPHRH11TTc
That is the best piss take I have seen in a long time, :D lmfao
Quote from: slow corner back on September 14, 2009, 09:58:41 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 14, 2009, 06:53:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkPHRH11TTc
That is the best piss take I have seen in a long time, :D lmfao
very well done
Cmon Tyrone.
Speaking of goalkeepers, I wonder will Murphy have a flashback to june 5th when he jumped out of the way of pierce O'Neils powerful shot. He could have hurt his nails if he tried to catch that!
Quotepierce O'Neils
Does he play for Meat too?
3 posts and nothing contributed, jaysus you'd wonder why some people go to the bother of signing up.
QuoteVery randomly, I'm flying to Cork in the morning for a week's work in the city, and I'm excited to be down there for the build-up. I'm not looking forward to people asking me for tickets - have already had it and I haven't even met the people I'm working with!
Despite Tyrone not being in the final, I reckon I'm in the next best place for the week before.
If you're not familiar with Cork city Rois, head to Washington Street this weekend for the best banter. The Washington pub, better known as the 'Wash' and the Courthouse Tavern (both owned by big West Cork football men) are two cracking little pubs and will be full of west Cork and Kerry folk. Havana Browns niteclub is only across the road and although I think it's a kip myself it will be brimful of GAA heads Saturday and Sunday.
As an aside I remember a few years ago after a Munster final an impromptu game of football breaking out the length and breath of Washington Street around 7pm involving 30 or 40 lads as traffic tried to wined it's way through the action. Can't remember the final score but there was some belting going on :D :D
From the Irish Times:
Cork team named to face Kerry
Alan Quirke (Valley Rovers), Ray Carey (Clyda Rovers), Michael Shields (St. Finbarrs), Anthony Lynch (Naomh Aban), Noel O Leary (Cill na Martra), Graham Canty (Bantry Blues) – Captain, John Miskella (Ballincollig), Alan O Connor (St. Colums), Nicholas Murphy (Carrigaline), Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers), Pearse O Neill (Aghada), Paddy Kelly (Ballincollig), Daniel Goulding (Eire Og), Colm O Neill (Ballyclough), Donnacha O Connor (Ballydesmond)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 15, 2009, 09:10:23 PM
From the Irish Times:
Cork team named to face Kerry
Alan Quirke (Valley Rovers), Ray Carey (Clyda Rovers), Michael Shields (St. Finbarrs), Anthony Lynch (Naomh Aban), Noel O Leary (Cill na Martra), Graham Canty (Bantry Blues) – Captain, John Miskella (Ballincollig), Alan O Connor (St. Colums), Nicholas Murphy (Carrigaline), Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers), Pearse O Neill (Aghada), Paddy Kelly (Ballincollig), Daniel Goulding (Eire Og), Colm O Neill (Ballyclough), Donnacha O Connor (Ballydesmond)
Good luck lads :P
Carey is an injury doubt and may not start.
Will Donaghy play a part and will Walsh start?
Hoping Cork win as the last thing Ireland needs right now is another effin all Ireland win by Kerry.
If the formbook throughout the year holds true Cork should win but that doesnt always happen and Kerry are always capable of bursting bubbles.
Still no one (not even Mayowestros :D) has lost more All Ireland Finals than Kerry so Cork have that to give them a bit of confidence.
Quote from: ONeill on September 15, 2009, 09:47:09 PM
Will Donaghy play a part and will Walsh start?
Depends which Walsh your talking about O'Neill! Donnchadh is expected to start again with Tommy on the bench. Wouldn't surprise me if Jack O'Connor did something similar to what Mickey Harte used to do with Canavan in his last few years with Darragh Ó Sé on Sunday. He could replace him with Donaghy at HT or before it and then bring him back on again for the last ten minutes with Star moving into the edge of the square.
Kerry team will be named on Thursday night as per tradition, no surprises on the Cork team, they line up very much as as expected but will they start in those positions ?
Strong look to that team but am really looking forward to seeing us match up to them.
I'd say there will be no change to our line up, with the only possible jersey up for grabs being the No 12. I'd expect Donnacha Walsh to start though as he has a much higher work rate than Tommy Walsh. Kennelly will be centre forward 30 years after his father captained us to a victory. Tommy Walsh will see game time and Donaghy may be sprung from the bench too but his lack of match fitness may come against him, expect to see Mike Quirke also to be on in the 2nd half when we may need a few big me n around the middle
After much see-sawing I'm tipping Kerry to win this by a point or two for a couple of reasons.
There's a lot of similarities between Tyrone last year and Kerry this year. Both stumbled their way to the quarter finals where they then proceeded to blitz the Dubs. Both of them just did enough to get over a Leinster team who over achieved in reaching a semi final and both went in as slight underdogs into the final.
The return of Mike McCarthy has steadied the center of defence, wheras they were getting torn apart prior to his arrival. He was my MOTM against the Dubs.
IMO Jack O'Shea played Kennelly at center forward in the semi final to give him some game time there as he sees him as vital to shutting down Canty, should be a fantastic battle between the two.
I believe there's another massive performance like the Dublin game in this Kerry team and that they'll produce this on Sunday, it'll be met head on this time though.
Although it's not a major factor there's still the whole Cork capsizing in Croke Park against Kerry and this will still bear on some of the Langers.
Although they've been superb this year I feel this final has come a year to early for Kerrigan, O'Neill and maybe Kelly.
So there you go, lump on :P
The similarities with Tyrone '08 are remarkable. An early replay defeat in the provincials, stumbling past inferior opposition, hammering the Dubs and a relative stroll in the semis. You'd nearly think O'Connor decided to mimic Tyrone's route of last year. Expect a stubbled O'Connor and a beard on Tomas, Dara and Cooper.
Yeah, I sort of get the feeling Kerry will this now, you can sense they have played within themselves. But there wont be much between them I suspect.
is Kieran Donaghy in the running for a start on Sunday?
Quote from: ONeill on September 15, 2009, 11:06:42 PM
The similarities with Tyrone '08 are remarkable. An early replay defeat in the provincials, stumbling past inferior opposition, hammering the Dubs and a relative stroll in the semis. You'd nearly think O'Connor decided to mimic Tyrone's route of last year. Expect a stubbled O'Connor and a beard on Tomas, Dara and Cooper.
The difference being that Kerry are up against a good team in the final, whereas Tyrone got a handy one last year.
Quote from: tyssam5 on September 16, 2009, 06:32:09 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 15, 2009, 11:06:42 PM
The similarities with Tyrone '08 are remarkable. An early replay defeat in the provincials, stumbling past inferior opposition, hammering the Dubs and a relative stroll in the semis. You'd nearly think O'Connor decided to mimic Tyrone's route of last year. Expect a stubbled O'Connor and a beard on Tomas, Dara and Cooper.
The difference being that Kerry are up against a good team in the final, whereas Tyrone got a handy one last year.
::) Ha Ha ! don't cod yourself son! everyone knows that last years final was won and lost on the sideline.
I saw Ciaran Donaghy's dad today on a horse and trap yoke near Omagh wearing a Kerry top. No kiddin.. the bould Oliver looking very happy and optimistic... tho he looked the same this time last year as well ;)
is john hayes still on the cork panel ?
yes Hayes will be a sub on Sunday and a handy man to have too for the Langers.
this weekend will be tough for us, but i can not imagine this cork team losing to kerry again...there is so much hunger in that cork camp that people from outside cork just cant understand, and for the 1st time in years cork have the consistency and confidence to finish it out to the end!!
It's Kerry for me.
Cork might be full of hunger alright but it will take more than hunger to win this game.
Cork are favourites - Kerry have nothing to lose and Kerry seem to hold the indian sign over Cork on the big days in Croke Park.
Some would argue that this is bound to change but I think Kerry have enough to beat Cork.
its cork for me , you can only go on form and they have been head and shoulders over kerry this year, i think they have it in them to win it this time
I'm getting more bullish by the day, and I have no doubt Cork WILL win the AI final. I have tried to look at this from every angle and I just can't see how Kerry can win. I do think Kerry will shade midfield and I expect their full forward line to improve upon their Munster semi final efforts but I think they'll have serious problems containing Cork as an attacking threat. I also think Cork have way more options on the bench, I know Donaghy and Walsh (if the rumours are true) can come in for Kerry but Donaghy isn't match fit and I doubt he'll make much of a difference. Walsh could cause problems alright but he can be a bit hit and miss and Shields or Cadogan would be well able for him physically. Can Donnacha Walsh track Miskella, I'd doubt it and because he isn't a real scoring threat Miskella will be free to get forward as much as he likes. Galvin and O'Leary will be worth the admission price alone but I expect O'Leary to break even here and there is a good chance neither man will finish the game. This is a very important duel for Kerry however because if Galvin gets the better of O'Leary they don't really have anyone who can come in, everywhere else Cork have replacements for malfunctioning areas but not here.
The Gooch and Lynch is another box office match up and I think the Gooch will get the better of Lynchy, if he doesn't then Kerry could take a bit of a hiding as I expect Darren O'Sullivan, Walsh, Kennelly and Declan O'Sullivan to all come off second best.
whats going on? 11 pages the thursday before the AISFF, wtf? The minor match has almost as many!
How many kerry players will retire if they get beat?
2 left after their beating in munster.
Betting movements very interesting. Cork have drifted out slightly on Boyles and Paddy Powers to evens from 5/6 with Kerry narrowing to 11/10. Cashmans, Cork based, have Cork coming in from evens to 5/6 and kerry going out from evens to 23/20. Must be a share of cash going on the rebels ar home. Handicap is 1pt.
Paddy Powers have either Galvin or O'Leary to be sent off at 5/1, both to go at 50/1 or both to be caught kissing on the pitch by RTE cameras at 100/1.
Cork for me. Can't disagree with Zulu there.
Cork to finally break the mould and win with a few to spare. I think Corks win over Tyronewill have really matured them and will have set them up perfectly for the biggest of big days. It won't have gone unnoticed in Kerry that all the pundits are saying 'cork outTyroned Tyrone'. I can't see Cork having any complexes mentally approaching this final.
Quote from: Zapatista on September 17, 2009, 07:59:57 PM
Cork for me. Can't disagree with Zulu there.
Cork to finally break the mould and win with a few to spare. I think Corks win over Tyronewill have really matured them and will have set them up perfectly for the biggest of big days. It won't have gone unnoticed in Kerry that all the pundits are saying 'cork outTyroned Tyrone'. I can't see Cork having any complexes mentally approaching this final.
Cork destroyed the team that Kerry couldnt beat when it mattered, Cork will not accept anything less than a win on Sunday and I expect them to lift Sam however Kerry will put it up to them, lying in the weeds will suit Kerry and losing to Cork in the AIF is not worth thinking about for this team. Cork to win by a point, 1-11 - 1-10
Team named
(1) Diarmuid Murphy (Dingle) (2) Marc Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) (3) Tommy Griffin (Dingle) (4) Tom O'Sullivan (Rathmore) (5) Tomás Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) (6) Mike McCarthy (Kilcummin) (7) Killian Young (Renard) (8) Darragh Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) (9) Seamus Scanlon (Currow) (10) Paul Galvin (Finuge) (11) Declan O'Sullivan (Piarsaigh Na Dromada ) (12) Tadhg Kennelly (Listowel Emmett's) (13) Colm Cooper (Dr. Crokes) (14) Tommy Walsh (Kerins O'Rahilly) (15) Darran O'Sullivan (Glenbeigh/Glencar) (Captain)
Subs: Ger Reidy (Castleisland Desmonds) Aidan O'Mahony (Rathmore) Donnacha Walsh (Cromane) Bryan Sheehan (St. Mary's) Micheál Quirke (Kerins O'Rahillys) Paul O'Connor (Kenmare) Padraig Reidy (Scartaglin) David Moran (Kerins O'Rahilly's) Anthony Maher (Duagh) Seán O'Sullivan (Cromane) Daniel Bohan (Austin Stacks) Kieran Donaghy (Austin Stacks) Aidan O'Shea (Glenbeigh/Glencar) Maurice Corridan (Finuge)) Barry John Walsh (Kerins O'Rahillys) Kieran Quirke (Duagh) Rónán Ó Flatharta (An Ghaeltacht)
Quote from: Zulu on September 17, 2009, 12:32:52 PM
I'm getting more bullish by the day, and I have no doubt Cork WILL win the AI final. I have tried to look at this from every angle and I just can't see how Kerry can win. I do think Kerry will shade midfield and I expect their full forward line to improve upon their Munster semi final efforts but I think they'll have serious problems containing Cork as an attacking threat. I also think Cork have way more options on the bench, I know Donaghy and Walsh (if the rumours are true) can come in for Kerry but Donaghy isn't match fit and I doubt he'll make much of a difference. Walsh could cause problems alright but he can be a bit hit and miss and Shields or Cadogan would be well able for him physically. Can Donnacha Walsh track Miskella, I'd doubt it and because he isn't a real scoring threat Miskella will be free to get forward as much as he likes. Galvin and O'Leary will be worth the admission price alone but I expect O'Leary to break even here and there is a good chance neither man will finish the game. This is a very important duel for Kerry however because if Galvin gets the better of O'Leary they don't really have anyone who can come in, everywhere else Cork have replacements for malfunctioning areas but not here.
The Gooch and Lynch is another box office match up and I think the Gooch will get the better of Lynchy, if he doesn't then Kerry could take a bit of a hiding as I expect Darren O'Sullivan, Walsh, Kennelly and Declan O'Sullivan to all come off second best.
All of that is based on Cork winning the midfield battle. Miskella and co have to get the ball first. Would be interesting to see how the cork half back line get on doing their primary role -defending. For me the key area is the midfield battle and I think Kerry have the better partnership and I expect them to shade it by a couple of points. If kerry win midfield they'll win- its very difficult to lose a match when you win midfield. Especially when you have players with the class of Kerry.
Will be close though. Its very difficult to play a team 3 times in the same season and come out the right side of the result all the time. So kerry for me by 2/3 points max.
I agree, Kerry do have the better midfield but O'Neill or Fintan Goold can be brought out there if all isn't well. And Cork should do ok possessionwise anyway that isn't the worry IMO, they have big lads out there and in the 3 half backs and 3 half forwards they have the strength and work rate to win their fair share of the dirty ball. IMO Cork are simply better than Kerry and would beat them 7 or 8 times out of 10, now maybe this Sunday Kerry will pull out all the stops and win but I don't think they will because Cork won't underperform.
I've been saying for a while now but Cork are the best team in the country bar none, they'd beat Kerry, Tyrone or whoever else your having most days.
Now having firmly stuck my colours to the mast I'll be a quite boy if they lose but sure you have to go for it every now and again.
That's a great Half fwd line IMO. Hope they dont go for the lump it in high to Tommy Walsh tactic. Nevertheless he will still give Sheilds some bother. Our midfield should shade it but Darragh will tire. Jack will need to make hasty decisions during the game and use the bench to full effect. Star will probably make an appearance and will give the team a great lift when the crowd roars when they see him coming on.
Really looking forward to the big day now - this is what Septembers are all about !
Cork team from last years drawn semi final:
A Quirke; D Duggan, D Kavanagh, A Lynch; J Miskella , G Spillane, K O'Connor; P O'Neill, A O'Connor; D O'Connor , G Canty, S O'Brien; D Goulding , M Cussen, J Hayes
And for the replay:
CORK: A. Quirke; D. Duggan, D. Kavanagh, A. Lynch; G. Canty, J. Miskella, N. O'Leary; N. Murphy, P. O'Neill; S. O'Brien, D. O'Connor, K. McMahon; D. Goulding, M. Cussen, J. Hayes.
(Taken from rebelgaa)
Players in bold aren't starting this Sunday, so it's clear this is a very different team to the ones that have failed in CP against Kerry.
Jaysus but I can't wait now and I even found Dropkick Murphy's so were good to go!
Kerry team V Tyrone 2008
1. Diarmuid Murphy
2. Marc Ó Sé 3. Tom O'Sullivan 4. Padraig Reidy
5. Tomas Ó Sé (Captain) 6. Aidan O'Mahony 7. Killian Young
8. Darragh Ó Sé 9. Seamus Scanlon
10. Bryan Sheehan 11. Declan O'Sullivan 12. Eoin Brosnan
13.Colm Cooper 14. Kieran Donaghy 15. Tommy Walsh
Kerry team V Cork 2009
(1) Diarmuid Murphy (Dingle) (2) Marc Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) (3) Tommy Griffin (Dingle) (4) Tom O'Sullivan (Rathmore) (5) Tomás Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) (6) Mike McCarthy (Kilcummin) (7) Killian Young (Renard) ( Darragh Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) (9) Seamus Scanlon (Currow) (10) Paul Galvin (Finuge) (11) Declan O'Sullivan (Piarsaigh Na Dromada ) (12) Tadhg Kennelly (Listowel Emmett's) (13) Colm Cooper (Dr. Crokes) (14) Tommy Walsh (Kerins O'Rahilly) (15) Darran O'Sullivan (Glenbeigh/Glencar) (Captain)
5 changes plus positional switches from last yrs final which I think give us a much better balanced team this year. However the lack of a top class free take may be a worry especially if the ref keeps blowing up and dosent let the game flow.
Quote from: Zulu on September 17, 2009, 12:32:52 PM
Walsh could cause problems alright but he can be a bit hit and miss and Shields or Cadogan would be well able for him physically.
Whatever about Shields, going by his brief cameo against Tyrone Cadogan would be no match for Walsh.
Seán Cavanagh walked through Cadogan when he hit the post and he was shouldered out over the line next time he got possession.
If Walsh gets the right ball in to him there is no one in the Cork full-back line that can go head to head with him in the air.
I'd wager that sort of ball will be stopped further out the field though.
Jinxy- cadogan has no inter county exprience at senior level. Clinical insanity in my view to even consider him for Sunday. All-ireland finals are no place for debuts.
Cork for me, with something to spare.
This Cork team is a whole different package (including management) from the 2007 model, and there'll be no psychological barriers to overcome for this one. And the fact that they've beaten Kerry already this season in the Championship is of no relevance; quite the reverse, they'll want to make sure that it has no relevance, and seen to have no relevance.
The Kerry half-forward unit is an awesome one, but big Daragh won't have the energy reserves and stamina he's had of old, and Scanlon will be ploughing a lone furrow at the point of his (Ó Sé's) exhaustion until J O'C makes the inevitable substitution. Cork, on the other hand, have explosive energy and staying power all over the field, and whilst Galvin and Kennelly, in particular, will run riot for Kerry given the space, they'll find their room for manoeuvre severely curtailed by the omnipresent and immovable Cork defence.
Despite the annihilation of Dublin, who turned to stone on the day, I still have suspicions about the reserves in the tank of this Kerry team (and Mike Mac doesn't inspire confidence, great footballer and all as he is ), however, if Cork give them a run and a chance to get it together they'll sweep Cork aside. But Cork won't, and they won't stop running either.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 17, 2009, 10:06:13 PM
Cork for me, with something to spare.
This Cork team is a whole different package (including management) from the 2007 model, and there'll be no psychological barriers to overcome for this one. And the fact that they've beaten Kerry already this season in the Championship is of no relevance; quite the reverse, they'll want to make sure that it has no relevance, and seen to have no relevance.
The Kerry half-forward unit is an awesome one, but big Daragh won't have the energy reserves and stamina he's had of old, and Scanlon will be ploughing a lone furrow at the point of his (Ó Sé's) exhaustion until J O'C makes the inevitable substitution. Cork, on the other hand, have explosive energy and staying power all over the field, and whilst Galvin and Kennelly, in particular, will run riot for Kerry given the space, they'll find their room for manoeuvre severely curtailed by the omnipresent and immovable Cork defence.
Despite the annihilation of Dublin, who turned to stone on the day, I still have suspicions about the reserves in the tank of this Kerry team (and Mike Mac doesn't inspire confidence, great footballer and all as he is ), however, if Cork give them a run and a chance to get it together they'll sweep Cork aside. But Cork won't, and they won't stop running either.
Not sure I saw much of an immovable Cork defence against Donegal. Tyrone won no ball at midfield- neither side will have that monopoly that Cork had against Tyrone on Sunday-unless one of them implodes completely which I find hard to imagine.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 17, 2009, 10:12:14 PM
Not sure I saw much of an immovable Cork defence against Donegal. Tyrone won no ball at midfield- neither side will have that monopoly that Cork had against Tyrone on Sunday-unless one of them implodes completely which I find hard to imagine.
The Cork defence had switched off against Donegal Indiana, though young Murphy was still majestic when given the chance. Against ourselves, we won a few balls in midfield (generally the scraps), but could do nothing with them, such was the pressure being applied by Cork. And when I say defence, I don't mean just the Cork defence, but the rest that will muck in too.
Jeez lads, it's taking the nordie feckers to fill out a few pages for ye! ;)
From today's Irish News:
Rebels learn along the way
By Denis Hurley
The conventional wisdom after Cork's All-Ireland senior football semi-final win was that the Rebels had 'out-Tyroned' Tyrone.
The high level of pressure, forcing numerous turnovers, was a big factor in the victory, with the Ulster champions simply unable to cope with Cork's intensity. Of course, it was a compliment to how the Red Hand had risen above everyone else that the only way to beat them was to do it at their own game, and in that regard Cork had a trump card.
Selector Peadar Healy is a Garda by profession, now based in Glengarriff in West Cork, but his previous postings further up the country provided this student of Gaelic football an opportunity to see at close quarters just how far ahead of the rest the northern teams had become.
"I was stationed on the border at Dundalk and later in Castleblaney," he said. "I used to travel up to Crossmaglen and watch them train, I would have watched Armagh train a lot. They were so far ahead of us it was unreal, they were so far advanced, to be fair. They really were getting their act together up there, at underage level too. In the mid-90s, late 90s, the work that was going on there was phenomenal, and it's no surprise that Armagh, Tyrone and Monaghan have all done well. You could see underage teams working with sacks and tyres."
The Naomh Aban clubman makes no bones that Cork set out to take the best aspects of the Ulster game and refine them to their own requirements: "Look, Tyrone are the team that have done it. We ask what we can learn from them and bring it on and use it ourselves."
As well as providing input into team selection along with manager Conor Counihan and Jim Nolan, Terry O'Neill and Ger O'Sullivan, Healy is also responsible for the Cork panel's football coaching.
"There are two of us in it really, there is Aidan O'Connell, who is involved with the strength and conditioning, and he is excellent. My role then is, obviously, as a selector and I do all of the football too. I prepare the drills and I try to get the football as close as I can to game situations, and preparing as best I can for the next game.
"Myself and Aidan would have a lot of contact with each other with regard to the training sessions, preparing for the next session, the next football cycle. There's no great mystery to it. Every team are at it, you're just trying to keep improving, get better with every game."
Having come in as part of Counihan's management team 18 months ago, Healy is also forthright in saying that he believed back then that Cork could be where they are now, paying tribute to Billy Morgan's work prior to then.
"Certainly, we did, yeah," he said. "The players were there and, in fairness to Billy, he laid down the foundations. He got in strength and conditioning coaches and he developed the players. We've just carried it on from there."
BELIEF has been a key word in the Cork camp all year long, from the McGrath Cup win through the NFL Division Two victory and subsequent Championship progress. However, Healy does not feel that this ingredient was lacking in previous years either, rather it has been a case of gradual improvement year-on-year.
"I don't think that [that belief was lacking], I think it's more that they keep wanting to improve and get better. They have great belief in their ability. There's great credit due to the clubs. When the players come into me, they have very high skill levels. They just wanted to get back to this point where they were two years ago."
And it is in the final Cork have arrived, with the focus on what comes next, rather than patting themselves on the back for what has been achieved.
"We've come to a point now where anything we've done up to now, you box it, you park it, put it aside," said Healy. "Kerry are going to be tough, they're a good team, but I have great confidence in this time and I do believe that we are ready for this game. This is what we've worked for. This is what I've given a year and a half for, this team, these players. When they put on the red and white jersey, that's what they're working towards.
"Everything else up to now is irrelevant. Winning an All-Ireland, that's what it's about. We're preparing for this one game."
And the unity that the panel displays is what Healy feels will push Cork over the line.
"That's exactly it, that's their strength," he said. "One thing we're very lucky with is that they're all travelling in the one direction. We all have our minds set on the one goal. I have no doubts in this team. They are ready, they have worked so hard to get to this point."
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 10, 2009, 08:25:47 PM
We've been training behind closed doors this last 2 weeks (one to keep the Langers away, two to keep the Swine flu out and 3 to get some good auld fashioned skelping out of the systems), some of the talk around Langerland this week is not that they are going to win but that they will give us a good hiding in the process such is their confidence, I hear Kerry's training is just about coming up with new ways to keep the ball kicked out to the Langeroos so they can win in style.
Your would nearly be happy for them to win adding to their depressingly low 6 All Irelands.
Lowest build up I have seen in all my years for a final, but the pressure is really on the Langers no doubt about that, they cannot be seen to be the team to lose 6 times to Kerry in Croke Park, they would become an even bigger laughing stock than their hurlers at the start of the year if that is possible. The Ball Grabber will have them primed though and it will be an interesting battle ahead.
>:(heard tadhg kennelly on newstalk came across as cocky bordering on arrogant -you are in the same league cocky arrogant and insulting
Quote from: yyyyy on September 17, 2009, 11:48:08 PM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 10, 2009, 08:25:47 PM
We've been training behind closed doors this last 2 weeks (one to keep the Langers away, two to keep the Swine flu out and 3 to get some good auld fashioned skelping out of the systems), some of the talk around Langerland this week is not that they are going to win but that they will give us a good hiding in the process such is their confidence, I hear Kerry's training is just about coming up with new ways to keep the ball kicked out to the Langeroos so they can win in style.
Your would nearly be happy for them to win adding to their depressingly low 6 All Irelands.
Lowest build up I have seen in all my years for a final, but the pressure is really on the Langers no doubt about that, they cannot be seen to be the team to lose 6 times to Kerry in Croke Park, they would become an even bigger laughing stock than their hurlers at the start of the year if that is possible. The Ball Grabber will have them primed though and it will be an interesting battle ahead.
>:(heard tadhg kennelly on newstalk came across as cocky bordering on arrogant -you are in the same league cocky arrogant and insulting
Tyrone people have been saying that since we whooped them in 2003. Good luck on Sunday 5ys -I think youse will do it
Quoteyou are in the same league cocky arrogant and insulting
Yerra go away and shite you big Langer ya.
In all honesty I can't see anything other than Cork scalping Kerry on Sunday. Cork seem to have a great balance while Kerry have had injury and discipline problems. What happened against Limerick? Who knows. Could that performance be repeated? Doubt it. For me, Cork by six or seven points. Or more.
QuoteKerry have had injury and discipline problems
Was in Tralee this evening and saw one player on crutches and another falling out of a pub, but yerra it grand to have a few pints 3 days before the final.
On paper you'd have to give Cork the nod, but I honestly don't know - the only time Kerry have had to play a bit this year they blew the Dubs out of the water - I think Sunday is the last kick for 3 or 4 boys on that Kerry team and knowing them they'll go out in style.
Quote from: tyrone86 on September 18, 2009, 01:01:27 AM
On paper you'd have to give Cork the nod, but I honestly don't know - the only time Kerry have had to play a bit this year they blew the Dubs out of the water - I think Sunday is the last kick for 3 or 4 boys on that Kerry team and knowing them they'll go out in style.
I'd argue that that was the only time the would have not had to play.
As someone said earlier, not that much football chat around Cork city - I've had to drag it out of people, until I got out to Carrigtwohill and engaged a taxi man in it. The Cork guys seem to be afraid of getting too excited or confident - don't want to build the hopes up too high.
The Independent today has an article with Tadhg Kennelly, and the journalist has done his job rightly because I started to think that maybe I'd like to see him win an All Ireland. But then I remembered that he played for Kerry.
Quote from: Rois on September 18, 2009, 08:24:14 AM
I started to think that maybe I'd like to see him win an All Ireland. But then I remembered that he played for Kerry.
Cork and Kerry in an All Ireland final and a Tyrone lass is faced with a moral conumdrum :D Must be how Donaghey felt last year ;)
I certainly wouldn't begrudge him it. I always like to see new records being made even if it is by a Kerry man. Tis why I wanted Kilkenny to win.
Cork to win.
In West Cork weekend before last and spotted 7 flags (sadly I know I was counting) displayed. Very muted display of support for Cork in their football heartland.
I think that there will be a changing of the guard on Sunday with Cork easily winning and multiple sendings off. Freetaking will win this game.
Quote from: Rois on September 18, 2009, 08:24:14 AM
As someone said earlier, not that much football chat around Cork city - I've had to drag it out of people, until I got out to Carrigtwohill and engaged a taxi man in it. The Cork guys seem to be afraid of getting too excited or confident - don't want to build the hopes up too high.
The Independent today has an article with Tadhg Kennelly, and the journalist has done his job rightly because I started to think that maybe I'd like to see him win an All Ireland. But then I remembered that he played for Kerry.
Did I read right in the star yesterday that when he was Austraillia he was asked in an interview who he would like to have round as a dinner guest. One of his choices was Queen Elizabeth. He said that he would kidnap her and get her to give back the rest of Ireland. Sounds made up.
Looking forward to hopefully a good game on Sunday. Should be some interesting match ups across the pitch. O'Leary v Galvin could be fun if it comes off. Murphy v Dara will be good to. Canty on Declan O'Sullivan will be very important. Both players are very influential for their team. Lynch v Cooper will be good. Shields could get it tough but he looked the part in the Munster games, will be ineresting to see how he copes under the high ball. O'Conner v O'Se will be another important one.
They haven't gone away...
Friday, September 18, 2009
It may not be Friday the 13th, or Halloween, but what are the chances of Cork's nemesis coming back to haunt them in Sunday's All-Ireland final? asks Dara O Cinnéide
SINCE 2002 Cork's fate in the football championship has sometimes resembled that of the tragically presumptuous teenager in a slasher B-movie. Having left their nemesis gasping for air on several occasions, Cork's expectation that the ordeal was over has often seemed reasonable. The conventions of the genre, however, dictate that several gory sequels are required before the tormentor is finally put to rest. Will Sunday's encounter with the dreaded Kerry be the final instalment, or will the Kingdom, disposed of so emphatically in the opening scenes, make another improbable return from the dead to administer the terminal blow?
The success of the slasher movie rests on the fact that although we know well what is going to happen next, we are always surprised just the same. Cork know what to expect on Sunday while Kerry's chances will depend on their ability to surprise them anyway.
Conor Counihan has done a remarkable job in restoring confidence to Cork and they have been playing like a team for whom the concept of self-doubt is an alien one. Such is their recent history with Kerry, however, that despite the vast reservoirs of self-belief built up by Counihan over two seasons, a certain level of anxiety is probably inevitable. If episodes one, two, three and four of this slasher saga have taught Cork anything it is that forewarned does not necessarily mean forearmed.
Cork's last six championship defeats have been to Kerry and we must venture as far back as 2004 to find another team apart from Kerry (Fermanagh) to have beaten them in championship football. There was always a suspicion in recent years Cork might have fared better than Kerry in their Croke Park trials with Tyrone, but we never got to test that theory until last month when Cork did at the first time of asking what Kerry failed to accomplish in three attempts.
In some respects, Conor Counihan's Cork remind me of the Offaly team coached by Eugene McGee 30 years ago. As the sleeve notes on Michael Foley's 2007 masterpiece, 'Kings of September' tell us "it had taken Offaly six heart-breaking years under manager Eugene McGee to drag themselves up from their lowest ebb, but they now stood on the cusp of a glorious reward".
Cork, too have had their lowest ebb, in that defeat to Fermanagh in 2004, and ever since they have been dragging themselves up to the point where the only hurdle left to jump in their evolution as a team, and indeed the only obstacle between them and the ultimate reward, is the leap they need to take to beat a Kerry team in Croke Park.
That leap could well be taken on Sunday but even if they fall short their relationship with Kerry in recent years is hardly likely to obscure their credentials as the best team in Ireland up until September 20th at least.
It is only natural that players such as Daniel Goulding, Colm O'Neill and Paddy Kelly should wonder what all the fuss is about. They have performed consistently well against Kerry in recent years to have no hang-ups about the green and gold jersey and they also must be entitled to feel that a shift in the balance of power has been overdue for some time now. The success at Under-21 level and the Cork influence in CIT's Sigerson Cup win earlier will have copper-fastened the belief that emerging talent is about to realise its latent potential. The younger Cork players have enough experienced heads around them to correct that train of thought however, and a brief chat with those on the slow lane to self-actualisation will inform them that the hierarchy of needs simply doesn't work like that. Being so close for so long must imbue certain Cork players with a sense of entitlement but how much has 'deserve' got to do with it really? Haven't Cork suffered enough at the hands of Kerry and doesn't that suffering entitle them to some semblance of natural justice and just reward? You would think so.
In light of Tipperary's recent defeat in the hurling final, the great GAA notion of having to 'lose one to win one' has become almost axiomatic. There is a growing sense among the hurling fraternity that Tipperary will eventually relieve Kilkenny of their crown and likewise, Cork are seen as best placed to break the Tyrone-Kerry duopoly (if they haven't already done so). But GAA history is littered with examples of long-suffering teams showing up at heaven's gate and leaving disappointed again and again and there are no guarantees for Cork either.
This final for Kerry is going to be about tradition and experience and redemption. For Cork it's going to be about the same things. To get their glorious reward, they are going to have to overcome all of that and then play the game at the same level or higher than they did in the semi-final defeat of Tyrone. That's a lot to ask for.
Despite the obvious appeal of all of this for fans of the game in both counties, the prospect of two teams playing each other for the 19th time this decade and for the seventh time in Croke Park is unlikely to enthuse the neutral observer. However, when it is framed by what will most likely be the concluding chapter in the Kerry story and the beginning of a period of Cork dominance on the national stage, it becomes compelling viewing.
This could be a game for the ages.
Based on some random performances since the start of the six finals in-a-row sequence we know what Kerry are capable of. Despite losing two of their five finals since 2004, Kerry have yet to under-perform in a final and it has taken a good Tyrone team each time to beat them. How good are Cork?
We suspect they are very good. Not entirely based on what we saw last month against Tyrone, in which they showed awesome athleticism and purpose, but because we suspect that unlike two years ago, Kerry have become Cork's greatest motivational device and we also sense that particular motivation has a more mature focus to it now than it had within the camp that played the occasion in September 2007.
The low-key demeanour of the Cork players and management all year tells its own story and it seems everything they've done together since Conor Counihan took over in the aftermath of the Teddy Holland debacle – the constitution of the team, the selection of certain players and the omission of certain others – has been geared towards this goal and towards this particular opposition.
Kerry too know a thing or two about preparing obsessively for one particular opposition and while the slaying of the Tyrone giant remains as elusive as ever for them, the lessons imparted by Mickey Harte and his men will surely not go undigested.
Kerry will recall how they had Tyrone in the cross-hairs, all figured out and ripe for the plucking this time last year and also four years ago, only to see the Tyrone game-plan evolve beyond their comprehension. They will note how Tyrone played the final game of 2008 without fear and how they didn't flinch or falter, even though retribution was on the cards and in the air all week in the build up. Kerry must do likewise. The closing of all gates and doors in Fitzgerald Stadium since the semi-final against Meath suggests Kerry have something up their sleeve and I've never seen less fanfare in the county ahead of a final.
The coiled spring performance of the Dublin quarter-final is unlikely to ever again be witnessed but the potential for surprise remains and the anticipation of possible retribution from Cork for other Croke Park days is certainly heightened.
Surprise and retribution are key components of all those awful slasher B-movies too. In quieter moments some of the longer serving members of the Cork panel may still be visited by familiar visions of Gooch, Galvin, O'Sullivan et al removing the knife from the back to embark on one last rampage.
If any trace of such uncertainty still exists, Kerry will exploit it whenever the chance presents itself. For all those with an appetite for such a thing, Sunday will be compulsive viewing.
For all others, avert your eyes, it may take different forms.!
This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Friday, September 18, 2009
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QuoteWhatever about Shields, going by his brief cameo against Tyrone Cadogan would be no match for Walsh.
Cadogan is a seriously strong young man and an exceptional footballer to boot if, as he should, opt for football over hurling in the next few years he could become the best full back in the country. And although it would be a big risk to start or bring him on this Sunday he is probably the only realistic option if Shields is in trouble. Well you could drop Canty back there and switch Shields out but I'm not sure Counihan would be too keen on that.
Forward-thinking no problem for Rebel giant O'Neill
By Brendan O'Brien
Friday, September 18, 2009
IN MOST counties, the man in charge would take one look at Pearse O'Neill and decide, there and then, this guy will anchor midfield come hell or high water.
Cork aren't most counties. O'Neill might stand 6' 5" and weigh 16 stone, but Nicholas Murphy is as tall and Alan O'Connor only gives him an inch, which is one reason why Conor Counihan can afford to use O'Neill as a centre-forward.
Size, of course, isn't everything. Another contributing factor behind the Aghada man's new job description is that all three are fine players and the juggling of resources has served the side well. O'Neill would not match a composite sketch of most people's archetypal centre-forward. No, that would be someone like Declan O'Sullivan or Brian McGuigan. Men who are shorter in size, if not stature.
Even some of O'Neill's longest admirers admit to being taken aback at his advancement into the forward ranks, among them Mickey Ned O'Sullivan, who coached him in 2004 with the Underdogs.
"I always saw him as a midfielder," said the current Limerick manager. "Back then he was raw but honest, strong and committed and he has come on an awful lot since. You could see he needed football and confidence but you always knew he had the bottle."
The story of O'Neill's late flowering on the inter-county scene is well thumbed but worth a recap. Contrary to popular belief, the Underdogs wasn't his first step on a national stage.
That came a year earlier when a bunch from Aghada rocked up to the Kilmacud Sevens a few players short and with "a bit of craic" top of their agenda and went and won the thing.
His 'discovery' with the Underdogs he owes to Counihan, his clubmate, who took a phone call one night from O'Sullivan who was scrambling around for a midfielder to face Kerry two months later. "Do you know anyone?" said O'Sullivan. Did he what?
O'Neill shovelled the coal alongside Kieran Donaghy in the engine room on the night Kerry were beaten after extra-time in Austin Stack Park, but his Cork career remained in neutral. Billy Morgan threw him in for a trial game against Laois soon after and, though he did reasonably well, the Cork train moved on without him and he ended up taking a timeout with some clubmates in Australia.
Morgan had no doubt O'Neill had what it takes, however. In 2006, the big man finally wore a Cork jersey for the first time and, though Morgan too saw him as a midfielder, he can see why he is now wearing number 11.
"Personally, I'd have no doubts about him," said the Nemo Rangers man.
"He never played minor or U21 for Cork so I suppose he was a late developer. We had good scorers and similar type players but nobody who could be direct and go straight at goal."
That directness has seen O'Neill score 1-5 from play so far this summer and he has slid seamlessly into a forward line that is now contributing scores from all points of the compass. The new berth still allows him compete for ball, high and low, around the middle third and his sheer size and presence must present a daunting obstacle to any centre-back looking to play out of defence.
"I don't mind where I play," says the man himself. "I know it's a cliché. I've been a midfielder up to the time I was called onto this panel, but then I've played a bit at centre-forward for Aghada since so I don't mind."
Having waited until the ripe age of 26 to play for Cork, and with another All-Ireland final staring him in the face, he'd be entitled to feel pleased with himself right now. Not so.
The suggestion that he has somehow 'made it' is quickly shot down in flames. "You only make it when you have a Celtic Cross in your back pocket. I just want to win that. Then you could say: 'Yeah, I've won something.'
"Up to that you're just another county player. It's a great feeling. It's great to play for Cork and wear the red jersey. I take great pride wearing it. I love wearing the jersey. I'll always have fond memories and stuff but I just want to finish the job on Sunday."
He will face Kerry for the 11th time in four seasons this weekend and, though little separates them in the win-loss column in that span, Kerry's dominance at Croke Park leaves Cork with questions to answer.
"I'd hope we're mentally as strong as Kerry. If we're not, we're going to lose. We've just prepared as best we can and trained hard and we're looking forward to next Sunday. We can't wait for it.
"We've been playing in Croke Park now long enough. We've been playing Kerry long enough. There hasn't been that much focus on the Kerry thing. It's a means to winning a title, no matter who we're playing, and it just happens that it's Kerry."
This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Friday, September 18, 2009
Counihan has given Rebels wings to soar
By Keith Barr
Friday September 18 2009
CONSENSUS can be misleading when it comes to predictions, but Cork deserve to be slight favourites on Sunday and, despite the many possibilities which might unfold, I still believe the Rebels' solid form will hold up.
Before I start to doubt my own hunch, let's begin with a simple role reversal from the semi-finals. Had Kerry managed to finally overcome Tyrone at the penultimate stage, there is little doubt they would be odds-on to win their fifth All-Ireland of the decade.
And had Kerry managed to destroy Tyrone as ruthlessly as Cork did with 14 men, the Rebels would be handed nothing but an outside chance of landing the crown, particularly if Conor Counihan's men had beaten Meath with a similarly unconvincing display.
Cork have, most impressively, accounted for the two top sides in the country in championship football this season. That warrants favouritism, end of story.
Or is it? The problem with Kerry is that their form lines are often distorted mid-season. If ever there was a reason to doubt the consensus when trying to predict a result, look back at the coverage of Kerry's perceived difficulties in July. For some reason, people have continually cribbed about Kerry throughout the decade, perhaps because of their failure to overcome Tyrone. And this has been most evident in Kerry itself.
But it's all rubbish and ignores the simple, underlying fact that this Kerry team has been one of the most consistent in the history of the game. And, more often than not, they have saved their best until the third Sunday in September.
Doldrums
The approach of just doing enough to get through back-door games this year seemed to inspire a soap opera around Kerry with rumours and stories gathering legs all the time. To be honest, as an outsider coming from a county that hasn't won an All-Ireland in 14 years, it's hard to take. Perhaps Kerry fans deserve a couple of decades in the doldrums to appreciate the wonderful footballers they have.
It's rare that I have too many reservations about a team that includes the three Ó Sé brothers and the Gooch, but I would be concerned going into the final that Jack O'Connor hasn't really found a settled starting 15 this summer. Something is missing. Whether through injury, loss of form or lack of appetite, O'Connor has had to mix and match and this has meant that Kerry's style of recent years has had to be amended.
That worked a treat against Dublin where they just ran at the opposition, but, as we have examined in detail here, there was a hell of a lot more to that occasion than just Kerry's display. And, even against Dublin, it was unusual to see Kerry rearranging their line-up. The tradition in Kerry was always to send out their strongest 15 in their best positions and let their opponents come and get them.
An indifferent outing against Meath won't have bothered Kerry unduly, but you get the feeling that whatever 15 actually starts on Sunday, it won't be long before O'Connor is making changes. This has the potential to destabilise Kerry's performance in what should be a serious examination by Cork.
Will Declan O'Sullivan go in on Michael Shields? What will Tommy Walsh's role be? Ditto Donnacha Walsh? Ditto Kieran Donaghy? Will Marc Ó Sé pick up Colm O'Neill? Is there a plan B if Pearse O'Neill is the one doing the rampaging? Will Aidan O'Mahony be drafted in? Will this game expose Mike McCarthy, who has been exceptional since returning?
These are simple questions, probably easily answered by O'Connor, but they're still a concern going into a game against a Cork side that bears no resemblance to the outfit that collapsed in 2007.
Hitting it spot on will be critical for Kerry against Cork this time; they cannot afford the slips they made against Tyrone in the closing stages last year, particularly in defence.
Normally, Kerry can expect to go into most games with a psychological advantage, but Counihan has reduced Cork's margin for error, they play their own game, they dominate. Just as it was with Tyrone, you expect that the Cork manager has eliminated the obsession with Kerry's reputation which preceded him and has focused his players on the thing they can control -- their own performance.
Why should they be obsessed with Kerry? After all, Cork are one of only four teams to have beaten Kerry in championship football in 10 years; why not do so again?
Kerry's back six have looked solid in the last two outings, but this is a serious test of pace, strength and endurance. And, unlike previous Cork challenges in recent years, young players like Colm O'Neill and Paddy Kelly look capable of generating and converting chances.
And these players reflect the change in Cork this year. They've had big physical men for a number of years, but, under Counihan, they look like a side less likely to collapse. They look solid; the football is matching the power, ability is being matched by intelligence. And, as they proved against Tyrone, they are prepared to mix it. They are one of the most impressive outfits I've seen for some time.
I get the feeling going into Sunday's game that there's a sense of contingency about Kerry's set-up, that they're on the back foot.
Of course, such a scenario is perfect for Darragh Ó Sé. As Kerry's natural leader, he will squeeze every ounce out of a situation where Cork have assumed the mantle of favourites and have to carry that extra burden of expectation. Kerry exploited this situation against Dublin by hammering into them from the outset but, unlike the Dublin game, I expect a very robust opening 10 minutes on Sunday, something which will prove a handful for Martin Duffy.
Talented
Beating Kerry and winning your first All-Ireland in nearly 20 years is a big enough challenge in itself, but my biggest fear for Cork would be their ratio of possession to scores. To win, they will probably need to perform even better than they did in Páirc Uí Chaoimh in June. They will need 60pc possession and their young, talented forwards cannot let them down. On All-Ireland final day, you can carry very few passengers; everyone must come to the party.
This is Kerry after all. Tyrone defeated them because they showed them no chink; they played to the line, to the 72nd or 73rd minute. If Cork come under pressure because of missed chances, Kerry will smell it, Gooch will punish it and the hitherto sense of invincibility in Cork all season could ebb away. You can't rule out such a scenario, not against Kerry.
While Counihan might have instilled a belief in his side which will see them ignore the pedigree of their opponents, they simply can't ignore the high stakes involved. This is a winner-takes-all game, the line between success and failure couldn't be finer. Manager of the year will be decided on the line, player of the year -- poised between the irrepressible Paul Galvin, Graham Canty and John Miskella -- will be decided on the field and team of the year will be decided on the scoreboard.
We should witness some classic duels and I expect fireworks. County passions run deep in men like Noel O'Leary and Tomás Ó Sé. Classic finals are as rare as hen's teeth, but like the hurlers a fortnight ago, when the gap is close enough, the potential is there.
Personally, while I have huge respect for a lot of these Kerry players, particularly Darragh Ó Sé, I think Cork's time has come. It's time for the likes of Graham Canty, Nicholas Murphy and Anthony Lynch to earn their reward for county service.
Out of the ashes of their battle with Frank Murphy and the county board two years ago, this team of Rebels has risen. Their destiny, I believe, is in their own hands.
- Keith Barr
Counihan puts hurler Cadogan on stand-by for Kingdom clash
By Colm Keys
Wednesday September 16 2009
HURLING full-back Eoin Cadogan has been placed on standby for a dream call-up to the Cork SF team for Sunday's All-Ireland final against Kerry -- less than two months after joining the squad.
Cadogan could come in at right corner-back for Ray Carey, who has been struggling with a shoulder injury since a collision at training last week.
Conor Counihan last night named the same 15 that started against Tyrone in the All-Ireland semi-final but a decision on Carey will not be made until after training tomorrow night.
Dual star Cadogan only joined the football squad when the hurlers were knocked out of the championship by Galway in July.
He replaced the retired Diarmuid O'Sullivan as the hurling full-back this season but has made quite an impact with the footballers in just over six weeks.
Eight of the Cork team named last night started the 2007 All-Ireland final against Kerry. Two more, Daniel Goulding and Anthony Lynch, came on as substitutes.
Cadogan, Alan O'Connor, Paddy Kelly, Colm O'Neill and Paul Kerrigan will feature in an All-Ireland senior final for the first time.
The Mayo minors have made one change for their All-Ireland MFC decider against Armagh, with Knockmore's Brian Rutteledge replacing Daryl Herbert in a reshuffled attack.
Meanwhile, Paul Grimley is set to come under renewed pressure to reverse his decision to withdraw from the process to find a new Armagh football manager. A new sub-committee will make a last-ditch approach to Grimley to reconsider this week.
Grimley's decision to take up an offer as assistant coach in Monaghan has sent Armagh into a tailspin over the last two weeks. The previous five-man committee, which was headed by the Ulster Council head of coaching Eugene Young and included former senior captain Paul McGrane, dissolved last week when some of its members stepped down.
Since then, the players have issued a statement and met with Armagh County Board on Monday evening. They have now agreed to show a united front to get a manager in place.
Clubs have been invited again to submit new nominations but Grimley still remains the target despite his insistence that he is staying with Seamus McEnaney and Monaghan.
McEnaney has reiterated his belief that Grimley is going nowhere.
Reports linking former Meath manager Sean Boylan to the position appear wide of the mark.
It is understood he is not the target of the players and he indicated yesterday that he wouldn't be interested even if he was approached.
Cork (SF v Kerry) -- A Quirke; R Carey, M Shields, A Lynch; N O'Leary, G Canty, J Miskella; A O'Connor, N Murphy; P Kerrigan, P O'Neill, P Kelly; D Goulding, C O'Neill, D O'Connor.
- Colm Keys
From today's Irishtimes
IAN O'RIORDAN Reports ALL-IRELAND SFC FINAL:
KERRY HAVE equalled one record in making a sixth All-Ireland football final in succession, and in the process have surely set another; using all five substitutes – or 35 substitutions in all – in their seven championship games to date.
It reflects not only the idea that modern football is a 20-man game, but also reflects the quality of the Kerry panel – which may well prove the difference in Sunday's final against Cork.
On top of that, Kerry also called on the maximum six substitutes permitted under the experimental rules in the NFL, in every game. This brings the total number of players used in this year's league and championship to 36.
Surprisingly, only five players have started all seven games: Tommy Griffin, Diarmuid Murphy, Marc Ó Sé, Tom O'Sullivan and Declan O'Sullivan. Colm "Gooch" Cooper and Tomás Ó Sé would have started all seven had they not been dropped for the Antrim game for disciplinary reasons, but with 18 players coming on as substitutes, many repeatedly, Kerry's enduring strength is clearly their depth.
Manager Jack O'Connor says that problems with injuries have played a role in this high rotation, but clearly any player who didn't make the starting 15 for Sunday can consider himself in line for a potential appearance.
"We've had a lot of injuries this year," says O'Connor. "People haven't taken that into account. I don't want to bore you with names, but we've had eight or nine injuries that kept players out for four, five, six weeks. Stuff like that.
"So we really had to juggle the pack this year and use an awful lot of players.
"But in the long term that stood to us, as there are more players in the frame now than there would have been if we didn't have those injuries.
"But really, you're picking 20 fellas to play in the game. I don't know if any other team in the country has done it, but we've used every available sub this year. Six subs in every league game, and five subs in every championship game. And I've no doubt we'll do the same on Sunday."
The Kerry substitute used most this summer is midfielder Micheál Quirke, who started the drawn Munster semi-final against Cork, but after that has come off the bench on five occasions.
Given he's the biggest player in the Kerry team – a massive 6ft 7in and 17 stone – it's almost inevitable Quirke will come into the mix at some stage on Sunday, particularly as Cork have so many massive players of their own.
"Cork are built on athletic prowess, I suppose," says Quirke. "They're a hugely athletic team, and gave us a fierce lesson in June. They were awesome that day. They're big guys, but well able to move, serious scorers too. They have it all."
Quirke would have reason to believe losing to Cork in June was the low-point of the summer, especially as he has failed to regain his starting place since. However, he clearly rows in behind the philosophy that it's the good of Kerry that matters, not the individual, and with that seems comfortable in whatever role he has to play.
"We just knew we weren't at the races against Cork last time," he says. "Our training wasn't good enough. Our tactical approach wasn't good enough.
"It was the turning point, though, because we all had to take stock and decide if we had the stomach for the long road through the qualifiers. We stumbled over the line a couple of times, but I still think that defeat to Cork was the making of our season.
"We probably won the national league coasting. The final against Derry was played in second or third gear. It was sterile stuff really, and Cork came out and hit us at a whole new level. It's hard to tell, though, how much we've improved since then.
"Our performance against Dublin was a little ridiculous, and then against Meath it was the other end of the scale. We're hoping to find a happy medium somewhere between those two, and if so, hopefully, we might just sneak it."
At the start of the season, after returning to management after a two-year hiatus, O'Connor seemed keen to give youth a chance, and briefly handed the goalkeeping duties over to Ger Reidy, who started in four league games.
The 23 year-old didn't do much wrong, but Diarmuid Murphy – who is 11 years Reidy's senior – soon regained his place, and is now the first name to go on the team sheet. Again, however, Reidy is only concerned about the good of Kerry football.
"It's my first year," he says, "and the whole scene is still fairly new to me. But I know the attitude starting out this year was that we do have the players, and that if we made the All-Ireland again it wouldn't be a big shock. The only thing some people were wondering was if we had the legs and the hunger, and I think so far anyway we've proved that we have.
"But there was never a moment of over-confidence. There was always a feeling that the next game could be our last. We came out, and we're happy to be here now. We felt as a group that there was one big performance in us. We were just wondering when it would come, and you have to say it did come against Dublin.
"We played possibly as well as we did all year, and looked at ourselves after that, and knew we were capable of going places.
"When you know you're playing Cork it drives you on that bit more as well. And I'm sure it's the same with the Cork boys.
"It's not so much fear. It's more excitement. You just realise it will be written into history after this one."
I have the right week, this is the Friday of the All Ireland right?
Some lack of interest alright. But you have to remember Cork only has west cork as a football heartland. They have huge volumes of players throughout the county but hurling is king in Cork. Cadogan opted for the hurlers earlier in the year even though they had no chance this season. Cork were well tipped to go well at the football this year -yet he still went to the hurling. Still a few all-irelands could change things but football is a long way behind hurling in the people's minds down there.
As for Kerry- with 35 odd titles and an appearance at least every other year in the final- they don't get too excited unless they win ;D.
As for the neutral interest- Cork isn't the most liked county in ireland- probably 2nd after dublin in terms of the most hated. People probably sick of seeing kerry winning. Hence the lack of interest.
Ultimately the neutral wanted Kerry v tyrone for the game to settle the team of the decade. But thats not Corks fault - they've more than earned their place in the final on merit.
Just hope its a good game but I fear it won't be because its the 3rd meeting in a season. Familiarity usually breeds punch-ups at Gaelic Football. But Cork won;t mind as long as they win.
Strange alright the lack of interest on here. After 2 very good games between the 2 earlier in the summer and the 50 50 nature of the game you'd think there's be a bit more interest. As mentioned earlier I think it could be a very good game with lots of interesting battles. Based on form throughout the championship you have to fancy Cork. My only worry is based on form you would have tipped Dublin to beat Kerry. So many times this decade teams have lay down to Kerry in Croke. I dont think this will be one of them though. Expect a hard hitting affair with little space and I think Cork will win by 2 or 3.
I think Cork will win comfortably. Had Kerry been playing Tyrone this Sunday, I would have put my house on the Red Hands.
That said, according to Gaelic Life, Kerry are 50/1 to win by more than 16 points! Very tempting...
QuoteSome lack of interest alright. But you have to remember Cork only has west cork as a football heartland.
That's not entirely true, north Cork has plenty of football teams and the city is seeing a revival in football with the Barr's, Douglas, Nemo and Bishopstown all doing well recently. And sure Aghada is in the east of the county so it's quite spread out in fairness. I don't think it is a lack of interest in Cork, in fact it's quite the opposite, my mates there tell me the nervous energy in the county is palpable. I think they really believe they can win this time but are slow to express it and many of them would almost prefer to go somewhere they wouldn't hear about the game and only reemerge if they've won.
I can't understand why the neutral isn't embracing this game more though, this could be a real humdinger. Cork are an outstanding team and Kerry are better than they were last year so we should get a belter of a game. There is the chance that the familiarity of the two teams could lead to a niggly, dirty game but I don't think that will happen because neither team will feel a game like that would suit them. Surely posters have some view on the game, you'd get as many posts on a soccer or rugby discussion board.
I see a cork win by 5 or 6 points
then again I thought they could win the same fixture in 2007 !
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html
The views of legends Dinny Allen and Jack O'Se.
Quote from: Zulu on September 18, 2009, 04:25:38 PM
QuoteSome lack of interest alright. But you have to remember Cork only has west cork as a football heartland.
That's not entirely true, north Cork has plenty of football teams and the city is seeing a revival in football with the Barr's, Douglas, Nemo and Bishopstown all doing well recently. And sure Aghada is in the east of the county so it's quite spread out in fairness. I don't think it is a lack of interest in Cork, in fact it's quite the opposite, my mates there tell me the nervous energy in the county is palpable. I think they really believe they can win this time but are slow to express it and many of them would almost prefer to go somewhere they wouldn't hear about the game and only reemerge if they've won.
I can't understand why the neutral isn't embracing this game more though, this could be a real humdinger. Cork are an outstanding team and Kerry are better than they were last year so we should get a belter of a game. There is the chance that the familiarity of the two teams could lead to a niggly, dirty game but I don't think that will happen because neither team will feel a game like that would suit them. Surely posters have some view on the game, you'd get as many posts on a soccer or rugby discussion board.
Have to say I lived there for 5/6 years and never really saw any football heartland outside west cork. Obviously things change over time. I always found football in Cork strange. It was a bit like golf- everybody played it but they weren't that bothered whether they won or lost at it outside places like catlehaven and clonakilty. But challenge a Cork man on hurling and it was clear what game was number one. I still think a good dual player in cork will choose hurling at the minute but an all-ireland win on sunday could arrest the slide.
You won't find too many Dublin football people rooting for Cork and vice versa. We hate the sight of each other. Most Dublin people will be shouting for Kerry on Sunday. I woiuld imagine in most other counties Cork will enjoy the neutrals support just to see a change at the top- which wouldn't be a bad thing.
At work today in Langerland and not one of the near 300 people there had a Cork jersey , total lack of pride in their county and many of these were the ones marching on Patricks Street a few months with unwavering supports for their hurlers, langers the whole lot of them, they talk the talk but little more. The 10 or so Kerry lads on the other hand were all style in our Green & Gold finery.
I was walking down Patrick St this afternoon in my Kerry Jersey and 2 young lads told me to f**k off back to Kerry. You have to feel sorry for them really they dont get out much.
The time for talking is over, time for shitting or getting off the pot, am out the gap now and on the way to BAC to get a good run at the weekend.
Ciarraí Abu....
Dúchas
You say tradition counts for naught when two teams take the field,
I fear you are mistaken, lad, but the years will make you yield,
And when your hair's as grey as mine, and time has made you old,
Then you'll invoke the truth I spoke of the Kingdom's green and gold.
You cannot box or bottle it, nor grasp it in your hand,
But pride of race and love of place inspire a love of land
Time honoured is our birthright, we'll never break the mould,
It's deep within the soul of us, who wear the green and gold.
Grey lakes and mountains soaring high, Mount Brandon's holy hill,
The little church at Gallerus, our language living still,
The Skellig Rock, stout football stock, they can't be bought or sold,
For our county's fame, we play the game in the Kingdom's green and gold.
And when the battle's fiercest and the fortunes ebb and flow,
We're still alive, we can survive, we never will let go,
For the spirit of our fathers and of stories yet untold,
Will lead us on to victory, in the Kingdom's green and gold.
We savour Kerry victories, we salute a gallant foe
And when we lose, there's no excuse, we pick up our bags and go,
So raise your glass each lad and lass to our warriors brave and bold,
Who again aspire to the Sam Maguire in the Kingdom's green and gold.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 18, 2009, 06:50:27 PM
Dúchas
You say tradition counts for naught when two teams take the field,
I fear you are mistaken, lad, but the years will make you yield,
And when your hair's as grey as mine, and time has made you old,
Then you'll invoke the truth I spoke of the Kingdom's green and gold.
You cannot box or bottle it, nor grasp it in your hand,
But pride of race and love of place inspire a love of land
Time honoured is our birthright, we'll never break the mould,
It's deep within the soul of us, who wear the green and gold.
Grey lakes and mountains soaring high, Mount Brandon's holy hill,
The little church at Gallerus, our language living still,
The Skellig Rock, stout football stock, they can't be bought or sold,
For our county's fame, we play the game in the Kingdom's green and gold.
And when the battle's fiercest and the fortunes ebb and flow,
We're still alive, we can survive, we never will let go,
For the spirit of our fathers and of stories yet untold,
Will lead us on to victory, in the Kingdom's green and gold.
We savour Kerry victories, we salute a gallant foe
And when we lose, there's no excuse, we pick up our bags and go,
So raise your glass each lad and lass to our warriors brave and bold,
Who again aspire to the Sam Maguire in the Kingdom's green and gold.
:P
I predict rows and lots of them. Started by Kerry.
I don't know why people are surprised at the lack of activity in this thread.
Do we even have any Cork posters?
Both sides are shitting it. They are afraid to say anything that can later be used against them....
Quote from: Jinxy on September 18, 2009, 08:26:09 PM
I don't know why people are surprised at the lack of activity in this thread.
Do we even have any Cork posters?
Jesus Jinxy it's the All Ireland not the first round of the national league, surely you don't have to be from one of the counties to be interested enough to have an opinion on who will win at least?
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html?programmes_theroadtocroker
Martin McHugh analyses the two team strength's and weaknesses and tell's us that Kerry's strength is when they run at teams and their weakness is when teams run at them. And his thoughts on Cork? Well he thinks their strength is when they run at teams and their weakness is when teams run at them. What a complete bloody bluffer!!!
Quote from: tyssam5 on September 18, 2009, 08:05:40 PM
I predict rows and lots of them. Started by Kerry.
rows of what? - people congratulating the Kerry players after winning Sam no. 36?
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 18, 2009, 09:45:17 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on September 18, 2009, 08:05:40 PM
I predict rows and lots of them. Started by Kerry.
rows of what? - people congratulating the Kerry players after winning Sam no. 36?
rows of Kerry's blanket defence.
Martin Carney and Peter Canavan tipped the Kingdom on 'The Last Word' this evening while Senan Connell went for Cork.
Come on the rebels!
As the great Bryan Mc Mahon of Listowel himself might have said:
Now Cork is bet, the hay is saved
The thousands wildly sing
They speak too soon, my sweet gossoon
For here comes Pearse O'Neill
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 18, 2009, 10:04:09 PM
...Peter Canavan tipped the Kingdom on 'The Last Word' this evening.
He's made a habit of getting it wrong with Cork this year! :D
Colm O'Rourke has gone for Kerry to win as well
http://www.hoganstand.com/other/audio/audio.htm
Quote from: INDIANA on September 18, 2009, 03:57:11 PM
Ultimately the neutral wanted Kerry v tyrone for the game to settle the team of the decade.
Funny one that as all the talk last year was that the 2008 final would settle that dreamed up award then when Tyrone beat Kerry, again, the talk was about how 2009 would settle it ;D ;D.
Good luck to both teams and hopefully its a great match
Is there any 'analyst', apart from those involved from the participating counties, who went for Kerry last year in the final and isn't this? Or who didn't go for Kerry last year but is this?
I would doubt it.
Laim Hayes is the man to go by tomoro morning... whoever he tips, put the house on the other side
Paddy Heaney; who backed Kerry 12 months ago, has gave the nod to Cork in this mornings Irish news. (Sort of)
He concludes, "We know Kerry have the potential. But it's Cork who have the form. For this particular contest, it's the form team which looks the most likely winners."
Nothing like sitting on the fence Paddy, Kerry it is then.
What will kerry do if they lose?
No talent coming from U21s, minors and juniors. With 3 or 4 retiring after sunday there could be a famine in the kingdom!
With the recession, fewer american tourists coming over to be conned by some "cute" kerry leprechaun peddler.
Whats a young man in kerry to do?
....looks like the poor sheep will walking funny in kerry for the next few years.
September pilgrimage a fact of life for Kerry
Kieth Duggan SIDELINE CUT : Their team's consistent excellence, that is now bordering on indecent, compels poor Kerry folk to undertake an annual exodus to Croke Park
THE REST of us do not have the first clue about the complexities and difficulties that come with being from Kerry. I sometimes think we should pity them. The obligation the nation has placed on Kerry shoulders has become intolerable. After all, what sort of state would Gaelic football be in if were not for the clans from the Kingdom? If Kerry were not Kerry, would there be any point to the championship at all?
Yet again, a Kerry football team has qualified for the All-Ireland football final. As has been well-flagged, this will be their sixth appearance on the trot, a rate of consistent excellence that is bordering on indecent. If they keep up this behaviour, a generation of Irish children will grow up under the assumption that there is some kind of law decreeing that, no matter what happens, Kerry will be in the final.
It is all very well for those of us from other counties, who can look forward to their representative teams making it as far as September about once every 40 years or so. These weekends can literally become once-in-a-lifetime experiences. But for Kerry folks, it is very different. They don't really have any choice in this.
This strange excellence with which they play Gaelic football has taken hold of them all and will not let them go.
Who knows how or why it started?
True, we can all blow on a bit about the singular beauty of Kerry – the lakes, the mist, the mountains, all those silver-tongued rogues, the creamy pints of plain, the endless golf courses etc. You always know a city man who has weekended in Kerry: he comes back talking like Robert Mitchum in Ryan's Daughter and talks dreamily of turf fires and bowls of mussels, all that kind of stuff.
Kerry is a ridiculously famous patch of earth. The census will give the official verdict on the population of the county but we all know that that is just nonsense; in global terms, the Kerry population is just shy of that of China. The hoors are everywhere.
A recent survey in The Economist estimated that three-quarters of the world's pubs are owned by Kerrymen. It is not widely known that world's richest man, Warren Buffet, is descended from the Ballyferriter Buffets. It is not widely known because Kerry folks do not go on about these things. And anyhow, all accomplishments are measured in terms of football. How many medals does Warren Buffet have?
Offaly may be claiming Barrack Obama and Kerry people will concede that because they know whenever the US President eventually makes it to the Emerald Isle, the photograph that travels around the world will show him teeing off at the first in Ballybunion. Revenge for '82 will be sweet. All famous people end up in Kerry, sooner or later.
But, at the end of the day, Kerry is just a place. There is no godly reason why Kildare or Waterford or Monaghan could not have emerged as the county that came to define itself through its football. Kerry men got there first. Years ago, before the foundation of the state, the great-grandfathers of the Kingdom got it into their heads that they would beat every other blasted county at this Irish big-ball game and they have been obsessed with the idea ever since.
The blame may well lie with the man who coined the nickname for Aeroplane O'Shea. When you invent a nickname that terrific – it is matched only by the flightier nicknames from the NYC basketball ghetto scene – you have an obligation to act as the moral guardian of the sport. So here are the Kerrymen, back for more.
I met a Kerryman on a train recently who told me, with a kind of sorrow in his voice, that he had taken the precaution of booking quarters in the same Dublin hotel for this weekend every year until 2025. The owner – Listowel to the last – had given him a decent rate. He figures it will be needed more often than not.
Beside him, his wife sighed deeply when asked if she was looking forward to this year's final and gave the Irish reply usually reserved for Christmas: "I suppose I am. But at the same time, I'll be glad when it's all over."
Deep down, many Kerry folks must feel like that. Of course, they feel pride at the aggregate accomplishment of their great teams down the decades and harbour particular affection for the current team.
But this business of appearing in All-Ireland after All-Ireland can take its toll as well. They say that all Kerry children can recite the names of All-Ireland-winning teams by the age of four. At five, they are kicking off either foot. By fifteen, they have become connoisseurs of their heritage and will fussily compare the vintages of '62 and '34 on the long journey up to Dublin.
Kerry folks know the city intimately because of their prowess at football. They could act as tour guides of the capital, if they so chose. They are masters at these September invasions. Any Kerry person who you meet will have a brother/sister/both living in Ranelagh. Many thousands more will have an uncle who owns a pub along the quays. They don't so much as leave Kerry behind them as transport it up to the capital for the weekend.
If you stand outside the Palace Bar at seven o'clock this evening, you are only fooling yourself if you believe yourself to be standing in Dublin. Kerry folks are the truest home birds in the world, particularly after a few drinks. They arrive at Heuston station at three o'clock and by nine they are singing some teary ballad about a lost love in Glenflesk.
And they genuinely miss the place. They hate being away for too long. But when Kerry are in the All-Ireland – which is often – they have no choice.
On All-Ireland football Sundays, the city is peppered with Kerry greats. You hear them before you see them, all those All-Ireland medals chinking in their back pockets. You might see the Bomber strolling up Grafton Street or one of the Spillanes loafing around the gates of Trinity or O'Dwyer himself passing by in a blur on the motorway, devilish grin on his face and a whistle around his neck. (Never Maurice, though. Sightings of the Cahersiveen idol are rare enough to be considered an event).
It is an odd thing to think that, by 3.30pm tomorrow, there will be hundreds of Kerry All-Ireland medal winners spread around the stadium. There are enough of them to make up an entire town if they so chose, a gated community comprised exclusively of All-Ireland medal winners.
Soon, the present team will join them, bowing out one by one. This is a special final for the Kingdom. This is a special September.
Win or lose, though, Kerry are trapped by their own tradition of excellence and by our expectations that they live up to that excellence, year after year. Privately, as they gather underneath the Hogan Stand or wait in the freezing night in Killarney for another homecoming, the Kerry faithful might wonder when it is all going to end. They might wonder when they are going to get a quiet September.
Never, would appear to be the answer. Never.
This article appears in the print edition of the Irish Times
The final twist on September road
By Dara O'Cinneide
Saturday, September 19, 2009
IF WE have learnt anything from the last few All-Ireland finals we know that the eventual champion isn't always the best team over the course of the summer but rather the best team over the course of an hour and a half in late September.
It has been a legacy of both Kerry and Tyrone to provide us with definitive proof these last six seasons that the team who perform best under the klieg lights between 3.30pm and 5pm on the third Sunday always wins the All-Ireland title and anything that happens before or after that period of time is of no consequence.
That is why the beguiling form lines coming into tomorrow's season finale are in reality so meaningless as to render them redundant. This is a game where all the clichés will apply. This is Cork and Kerry. It really is all on the day and it probably will go down to the wire. Sometimes you realise that clichés are clichés because they're true.
Sometimes too though, the winning team will reveal enough of itself in the post match analysis to inform our opinions about their formation, their evolution and their motivations over the course of a season. Like after the 2006 final when Jack O'Connor suggested that Kerry's hunger derived one year of anguish after losing to Tyrone could dwarf Mayo's 55-year famine. Or after the 2007 final against tomorrow's opponents when Paul Galvin revealed that the thought of losing to their nearest neighbour and greatest adversary was sufficient to raise the levels of motivation to a level beyond anything Cork could hope to reach back then. One wonders where Kerry's Big Why is coming from this time out having seen their greatest motivational device evaporate before their eyes last month.
Maybe Kerry really are competing against themselves, against their own history and against standards of excellence set by those that wore the jersey before them but there must be something even more than that, something more microscopic, more primal driving this extraordinary team. I have no doubt all will be revealed should they manage to get their hands on Sam again.
It is unusual for a Kerry team facing into their sixth final in a row with a clean bill of health for the first time all season to still have huge question marks about them. The All-Ireland quarter final against Dublin — the one swallow in a strange and stumbling summer can't dispel these doubts. We doubt Darragh Ó Sé's ability to get up and down the field and to put heat on the Cork ball out of the backs. In what will most likely be the big fella's swansong, the need for him to time his input to coincide with the hour of Kerry's greatest need is stark. But what if Cork do as Tyrone did last year and play the game at such a tempo that the need for Darragh's contributions becomes too great and too incessant for his input to make a difference? The battle between the sidelines will be crucial in this regard. I have no doubt that Fintan Goold will have patches of football when introduced that will rattle Ó Sé just like Kevin Hughes had upon his introduction last year. Ó Sé is no ordinary veteran, however, and he has never failed to perform on a big day. Doubts about his ability that seem to bother other mortals, merely serve to drive him on. He should be fine.
There are doubts too, about Kerry's ability to vary their game when there is a big man at the edge of the square.
The variety of Kerry's attacks is crucial but what if the pressure out the field is so great that the likes of Tomás Ó Sé, Mike McCarthy, Paul Galvin and Tadhg Kennelly — normally assured in their delivery, decide that the heat is such that it demands the ignorant, unsophisticated hoofers sent into the full forward line last year? If Kerry's attacking ploy malfunctions to the extent that it did in last year's final will the outfield players have the patience and the forbearance to toughen and think their way through the storm?
The other nagging concern for Kerry is the incredible reality that they still have nobody to take the long range frees and 50's. You might say that Cork's defence is so disciplined that they won't be giving up too many frees but after 12 minutes of last year's final against an even more disciplined Tyrone unit, the score was 0-3 apiece with two points or 66% coming from frees on either side. Many people point to Pascal McConell's save from Declan O'Sullivan on 67 minutes as the defining moment of the game but few recall the resultant 50 being missed — as well as another 50 a few minutes earlier. In games like this, the small things are critical.
HERE'S SOME of what makes Cork uneasy: In the absence of genuine doubts about their defence after such a dogged display against Tyrone, the central question about this final is what can Cork do up front this time? We suspect that the likes of the two O'Neills, Patrick Kelly and Daniel Goulding have big matches in them but the reality is that only Limerick and Tyrone put it up to them this year. Only Donnacha O'Connor emerged with reputation intact after the final indignities of two years ago but it may be a bit unfair to burden those that had no real part in that. This is a different Cork team and 2009 is a different year but much like Tyrone's emergence in 2003, we can only accept Cork's credentials when we see Graham Canty on the podium and the truth is Cork are as fearful at this stage of the year as they appear fearsome up to now.
For obvious reasons, mainly tribal and parochial, fear of losing is a characteristic common to both counties but only Kerry have in past meetings shown an ability to channel that fear into something un-inhibiting and liberating.
Players and management often talk about turning points in a season when the collective realise that a year's work is pointing to one end. In that regard Cork's semi-final win over Tyrone could prove to be a seminal moment in their development as a team. When a team wins a game of that magnitude played at that intensity, the possibilities for growth are endless and if Cork win tomorrow we may well begin to view the overthrowing of Tyrone as the turning point not alone in Cork's season but in their long term football fortunes.
Ultimately the kings of September these last few seasons have been those who did the simple things well most often between half past three and five o' clock. When all things are equal and the margins are so fine that could mean Kerry figuring out Alan Quirke's kickouts as well as they did Stephen Cluxton's in early August. It could also on the other hand mean Anthony Lynch beating Colm Cooper as comprehensively as he did in June.
At this stage last year Kerry were on the cusp of a glorious three-in-a-row but in the end it was that small bit of magic, from Seán Cavanagh and Brian Dooher allied to the collective will that swung it away from them. It has always been thus in a battle between equals. That bit of genius, that X-factor from truly gifted forwards becomes the decisive factor.
In 2004 it was Gooch's goal, 2005 Canavan's slide-rule precision, 2006 Donaghy's catch and swivel, 2007 Gooch's fist and 2008 the irrepressible Cavanagh's five points from play. In Colm O'Neill and Daniel Goulding Cork have the capacity for special moments but in Declan O'Sullivan and Colm Cooper, Kerry have men who have done it more often before. That for me is the balancing theory and that's why when genius arrives to announce itself once again on All-Ireland final Sunday, I expect it to have a Kerry accent.
This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Saturday, September 19, 2009
Well it appears I'm one of the few experts ;) who can see the wood from the trees. All of the pundits are coming down on the Kerry side now that the game is almost upon us, but I can tell you now they are wrong and Cork will win the All Ireland this Sunday. They are, as they say in the states, my Lock of the Week and they will win it by 3 or 4 points at least. The only reason these pundits are going for Kerry is because of tradition but that only counts if you are of a similar standard to your opponent or your opponent is mentally weak, neither is the case here.
Quote from: Zulu on September 19, 2009, 01:21:47 PM
Well it appears I'm one of the few experts ;) who can see the wood from the trees. All of the pundits are coming down on the Kerry side now that the game is almost upon us, but I can tell you now they are wrong and Cork will win the All Ireland this Sunday. They are, as they say in the states, my Lock of the Week and they will win it by 3 or 4 points at least. The only reason these pundits are going for Kerry is because of tradition but that only counts if you are of a similar standard to your opponent or your opponent is mentally weak, neither is the case here.
Some of those younger Cork players haven't had the question asked of them before, that is, can they perform when the chips are down in All Ireland Senior final, I don't care what's gone on before in their underage careers, means nothing. Some of the other players have had the question asked and failed.
If they are mentally weak, Kerry will exploit it.
Quote from: Chris agus Snoop on September 19, 2009, 12:36:55 PM
What will kerry do if they lose?
No talent coming from U21s, minors and juniors. With 3 or 4 retiring after sunday there could be a famine in the kingdom!
With the recession, fewer american tourists coming over to be conned by some "cute" kerry leprechaun peddler.
Whats a young man in kerry to do?
....looks like the poor sheep will walking funny in kerry for the next few years.
Shows how little you know about Kerry football and football in general.
David Moran and Anthony Maher will be the too best midfield combinations in Ireland next year and for years to come. Unfortunate circumstance disrupted their opportunity of starting tomorrow. Tommy Walsh is already good but you ain't seen nothing yet while his brother Barry John may even be better. At last Paul O'Connor is beginning to show his true potential, he is a revelation in training. I could go on, fortunately Kerry will be around to sicken you well into the foreseeable future.
Kerry have quite a record at losing in All Ireland finals this decade too when it was put up to them...I think Cork will come through tomorrow and not roll over like they did last time or the way Mayo did a few times. Will be win inspired by Armagh '02 and Tyrone '05 and '08 ;)
Quote from: stephenite on September 19, 2009, 02:04:57 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 19, 2009, 01:21:47 PM
Well it appears I'm one of the few experts ;) who can see the wood from the trees. All of the pundits are coming down on the Kerry side now that the game is almost upon us, but I can tell you now they are wrong and Cork will win the All Ireland this Sunday. They are, as they say in the states, my Lock of the Week and they will win it by 3 or 4 points at least. The only reason these pundits are going for Kerry is because of tradition but that only counts if you are of a similar standard to your opponent or your opponent is mentally weak, neither is the case here.
Some of those younger Cork players haven't had the question asked of them before, that is, can they perform when the chips are down in All Ireland Senior final, I don't care what's gone on before in their underage careers, means nothing. Some of the other players have had the question asked and failed.
If they are mentally weak, Kerry will exploit it.
Absolutely agreed 100%
Strange to be facing into an AIF with Kerry as underdogs. Cork have been best team in the country all year right through the NFL and into the summer. I still think that the last team they'll have wanted to see lining out in September against them is Kerry though.
I got a nice price about Kerry for the All-Ireland on Betfair before the Dublin match and I've not even considered laying some of that bet off. I think Kerry are coming into this match in the perfect position. Too much is being read into the respective semi-final performances. Cork were awesome against Tyrone, but how good were Tyrone? I suspect they were a team in decline this year. We (Kildare) should have beaten them in the quarter final had we shown a bit more composure and I think we're still a good bit off the top teams. Losing Seán Cavanagh on the morning of the match was also a big blow to Tyrone. Kerry's semi-final against Meath was a terrible match but they were never in any danger of losing it. The conditions on the day were poor and they didn't allow for the style of football that Kerry played against Dublin. It is often the team that come off the back of a workmanlike performance in the semi-final that do the business in the final. How many times down the years have we seen teams play sparkling stuff in a semi-final and fail to reproduce it in the final.
I've read plenty about Cork's hunger to win this All-Ireland during the week. I don't think Kerry are going to be short of it either though. This could be the last hurrah for a lot of thie Kerry team. Diarmuid Murphy, Tommy Griffin, Tom Sullivan, Tomás Ó Sé, Mike McCarthy and Darragh Ó Sé are all the wrong side of thirty. They won't want what potentially could be their last match in Croke Park to be a defeat to their great rivals. Cork have a settled and experienced defence but their forward line is relatively young and it is hard to predict how they will react to the occasion. Kelly, Kerrigan and O'Neill have been excellent all year and they've done it all at underage level but that counts for nothing come AIF day. Potentially they could let the occasion get the better of them and let the match pass them by. I don't think there's any fear of that with this Kerry team. They've all been here many times before and they know what it is all about. If Cork get a run on them early on in the match I wouldn't expect them to panic and fall apart. If the opposite occurs and Kerry get on top in the first half, we don't know how Cork will react. Apart from the Limerick match, we haven't seen how Cork deal with being behind and trying to fight their way back into the match. I suspect that on Munster Final day, it was Limerick's fear of winning more than Cork's fighting spirit that swung that match.
Tommy Walsh coming back into the Kerry team is no surprise after his performance against Meath. I'd prefer to see Declan O'Sullivan lining out closer to goal and I suspect he will rotate positions with Walsh during the match. Walsh's height around the middle of the field would give Kerry another option with their kickouts. It is important for Cork that Ray Carey is fit to play because Kieran O'Connor has been exposed by Kerry before and Cadogan is untested at this level. It should be a tight and tense affair and hopefully Marty Duffy isn't a talking point after the match. The law of averages suggest that Cork have to beat Kerry in Croke Park some day but I'm not sure that tomorrow will be that day. Kerry by 4/5 points for me.
Quote from: Chris agus Snoop on September 19, 2009, 12:36:55 PM
What will kerry do if they lose?
No talent coming from U21s, minors and juniors. With 3 or 4 retiring after sunday there could be a famine in the kingdom!
With the recession, fewer american tourists coming over to be conned by some "cute" kerry leprechaun peddler.
Whats a young man in kerry to do?
....looks like the poor sheep will walking funny in kerry for the next few years.
That's mature. Away back to peoplesrepublicofcork.com with you!
One wonders with all of the talk about Kerry being unable to stop Tyrone in Croke Park this decade, whether the same thing might pick the minds of a few Cork men at around 4.45 tomorrow afternoon.
All streaks come to an end at some stage. Who knows if the Kerry-Tyrone sequence would have ended this year if the red-handers had beaten the rebels. Who knows if the langers will change their recent luck against Kerry tomorrow.
I've had a feeling that this would be Cork's year since their Munster final win against Limerick. It was obvious that Conor Counihan was already thinking of August and September football immediately after the Kerry replay. Training in the camp was stepped up and the leaden legs of his team in the Munster final coupled with a Limerick desire to pull off an upset was always going to leave this one close. The difference, as Kerry, Tyrone and one or two others know, between a provincial title and a provincial title loss is last 8 versus last 12. The manner of Cork's preparation for the Limerick match convinced me that at last they were getting serious.
HOWEVER, as the match comes closer I am finding in harder to keep my conviction about Cork and and begining to think that Kerry have saved their last sting, of this supposedly dying wasp, for tomorrow.
As the late great John B. Keane said "A Kerry footballer with an inferiority complex is one who thinks he's just as good as everybody else."
Kerry I think by 3 or 4.
Quote from: Seamus on September 19, 2009, 02:53:39 PM
Quote from: Chris agus Snoop on September 19, 2009, 12:36:55 PM
What will kerry do if they lose?
No talent coming from U21s, minors and juniors. With 3 or 4 retiring after sunday there could be a famine in the kingdom!
With the recession, fewer american tourists coming over to be conned by some "cute" kerry leprechaun peddler.
Whats a young man in kerry to do?
....looks like the poor sheep will walking funny in kerry for the next few years.
Shows how little you know about Kerry football and football in general.
David Moran and Anthony Maher will be the too best midfield combinations in Ireland next year and for years to come. Unfortunate circumstance disrupted their opportunity of starting tomorrow. Tommy Walsh is already good but you ain't seen nothing yet while his brother Barry John may even be better. At last Paul O'Connor is beginning to show his true potential, he is a revelation in training. I could go on, fortunately Kerry will be around to sicken you well into the foreseeable future.
I already know about them, if thats all you have then I foresee that kerry farmers won't be getting a good price for their sheep on market day.
Quote from: Chris agus Snoop on September 19, 2009, 05:05:56 PM
I already know about them, if thats all you have then I foresee that kerry farmers won't be getting a good price for their sheep on market day.
Just looked up your profile and I see you have your age as N/A - does that stand for "not aware" or "not admitted" or what?
I'm sure there's some swingers or doggers forum that would welcome your obsession with bestiality but on here play ball not with yours
QuoteI don't care what's gone on before in their underage careers, means nothing.
QuoteKelly, Kerrigan and O'Neill have been excellent all year and they've done it all at underage level but that counts for nothing come AIF day.
It counts for something lads, everyone would accept that lads who come through from successful underage set ups are better off than those who don't. Most counties build their senior success on the back of underage success and winning breeds confidence. Does underage success guarantee senior success or a performance in a senior AI? Of course not but it does count for something.
Quotewe haven't seen how Cork deal with being behind and trying to fight their way back into the match.
Yes we have, they ground out a win over Limerick when they shouldn't have and they cam back from 8 or 9 points down against Kerry 3 times last year to win, draw and narrowly lose to them. They also beat Tyrone after having been unfairly reduced to 14 men in the semi final which again showed maturity and ability.
QuoteSome of the other players have had the question asked and failed.
I don't think that is true at all, players like Canty, Lynch, O'Neill and Miskella were on poor enough teams that were exposed on the big day but these lads have proven themselves to be top quality players and now with a better supporting cast I don't think they will underperform.
Just heard on RTE radio - News Flash
Two of the GAA football stars houses were broken into
Missing from Kerry's Darragh O'Se's house
5 all Ireland medals,
5 Munster medals,
3 Railway cups,
2 All star's awards and
4 national league awards
From Corks's Nicolas Murphy"s house
1 kettle.
2 saucepans and
A Johnny Logan tape
" what's another year"
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 19, 2009, 05:21:06 PM
Quote from: Chris agus Snoop on September 19, 2009, 05:05:56 PM
I already know about them, if thats all you have then I foresee that kerry farmers won't be getting a good price for their sheep on market day.
Just looked up your profile and I see you have your age as N/A - does that stand for "not aware" or "not admitted" or what?
I'm sure there's some swingers or doggers forum that would welcome your obsession with bestiality but on here play ball not with yours
Who said anything about bestiality? Its your sick subconscious guilty mind that made that link.
The sheep would be lame because of the recession, kerry farmers would have to employ sheep to pull their plows instead of putting their grandmothers in harness like they usually do. No wonder they can outrun Bellew!
some barrel of laughs this chris is
Quote from: Chris agus Snoop on September 19, 2009, 05:56:30 PM
Who said anything about bestiality? Its your sick subconscious guilty mind that made that link.
The sheep would be lame because of the recession, kerry farmers would have to employ sheep to pull their plows instead of putting their grandmothers in harness like they usually do. No wonder they can outrun Bellew!
And you don't know too much about farming either ::)
Best bet of the weekend over all sports, a Kerry/Armagh double at 23/10.
Words of Wisdom
Micheal O'Muircheartaigh
"Anthony Lynch the Cork corner back will be the last person to let you down - his people are undertakers"
John B Keane
"How would you know a Cork footballer? He's the one who thinks that oral sex is just talking about it."
"Now listen lads, I'm not happy with our tackling. We're hurting them but they keep getting up."
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 19, 2009, 05:40:16 PM
Just heard on RTE radio - News Flash
Two of the GAA football stars houses were broken into
Missing from Kerry's Darragh O'Se's house
5 all Ireland medals,
5 Munster medals,
3 Railway cups,
2 All star's awards and
4 national league awards
From Corks's Nicolas Murphy"s house
1 kettle.
2 saucepans and
A Johnny Logan tape
" what's another year"
Dara has 3 runner-up medals to Nicholas's one as well!
Well here's to a great game, which I think it will be, I hope everyone enjoy's it and both teams do themselves justice. It looks like the weather is going to be nice so we are all set for the biggest day in Irish sport.
Well, the jersey is ironed and sitting ready for the morning. The car filled with diesel. Tickets sitting on the kitchen counter ready to go. Couple of rashers fried up and batch bread sambos will be had and then hit the road.
Best of luck to all Kerry players, management and supporters tommorrow. Weather is given to be good so it should add further to the occassion. I was a bit nervous about the langers a few weeks ago but as time has wore on I've grown more confident. I think our boys will not fear Cork any bit but definitely will not under estimate them. It will be close but I think we'll do it by 2 or 3 pts.
Good auld bit of banter now on TV in Up for the match.
As i have said i think Kerry will win, but do hope cork can do the business tomorrow. Anyway hope it is a great game of football.
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 19, 2009, 09:50:51 PM
Well, the jersey is ironed and sitting ready for the morning. The car filled with diesel. Tickets sitting on the kitchen counter ready to go. Couple of rashers fried up and batch bread sambos will be had and then hit the road.
Best of luck to all Kerry players, management and supporters tommorrow. Weather is given to be good so it should add further to the occassion. I was a bit nervous about the langers a few weeks ago but as time has wore on I've grown more confident. I think our boys will not fear Cork any bit but definitely will not under estimate them. It will be close but I think we'll do it by 2 or 3 pts.
Now thats the proper spirit before what will be a great occasion. The only thing irritating me over the past few days is the RTE radio lads repeating a question to all they interview suggesting that "the rest of the country swich off because this is an all-Munster fina?. What a load of crap, I, from Ulster, will be riveted to it.
I hope the better team win, i.e. Cork, but think Kerry's guile, Croker experience and tradition could win the day.
I say to all, cease hostilities and put all snide comments aside for 24hrs, sit back and enjoy what I hope will be a match that will measure up to the exhibition that the hurlers dished for us up 2 weeks ago.
Show respect for the finalists and resume the snipping on Monday. Have a gr8 AI everyone, I can't wait.
From County Down too
Heres hoping the best team wins tomorrow and we get a great spectacle and performance tomorrow.
Up for the match is always a great show on the night before the final
This was sung on Up for the match.
You say tradition counts for naught when two teams take the field,
I fear you are mistaken, lad, but time will make you yield,
And when your hair's as grey as mine, and time has made you old,
Then you'll invoke the truth I spoke of the Kingdom's green and gold.
You cannot box or bottle it, nor grasp it in your hand,
But pride of race and love of place inspire a love of land
Time honoured is our birthright, we'll never break the mould,
It's deep within the soul of us, who wear the green and gold.
Grey lakes and mountains soaring high, Mount Brandon's holy hill,
The little church at Gallerus, our language living still,
The Skellig Rock, stout football stock, they can't be bought or sold,
For our county's fame, we play the game in the Kingdom's green and gold.
And when the battle's fiercest our backs are to the wall,
We will stay alive, we can survive, we stumble but don't fall
For the spirit of our fathers and of stories yet untold,
Still and sure, we will endure in the Kingdom's green and gold.
We savour Kerry victories, we salute a gallant foe
And when we lose, there's no excuse, we pick up our bags and go,
So raise your glass each lad and lass to our warriors brave and bold,
Who each year aspire to the Sam Maguire in the Kingdom's green and gold.
Gary McMahon
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 19, 2009, 11:45:29 PM
This was sung on Up for the match.
You say tradition counts for naught when two teams take the field,
I fear you are mistaken, lad, but time will make you yield,
And when your hair's as grey as mine, and time has made you old,
Then you'll invoke the truth I spoke of the Kingdom's green and gold.
You cannot box or bottle it, nor grasp it in your hand,
But pride of race and love of place inspire a love of land
Time honoured is our birthright, we'll never break the mould,
It's deep within the soul of us, who wear the green and gold.
Grey lakes and mountains soaring high, Mount Brandon's holy hill,
The little church at Gallerus, our language living still,
The Skellig Rock, stout football stock, they can't be bought or sold,
For our county's fame, we play the game in the Kingdom's green and gold.
And when the battle's fiercest our backs are to the wall,
We will stay alive, we can survive, we stumble but don't fall
For the spirit of our fathers and of stories yet untold,
Still and sure, we will endure in the Kingdom's green and gold.
We savour Kerry victories, we salute a gallant foe
And when we lose, there's no excuse, we pick up our bags and go,
So raise your glass each lad and lass to our warriors brave and bold,
Who each year aspire to the Sam Maguire in the Kingdom's green and gold.
Gary McMahon
Was on this thread earlier. Great tradition no doubt about that, but 'when we lose' etc... ::)
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 19, 2009, 09:50:51 PM
Well, the jersey is ironed and sitting ready for the morning. The car filled with diesel. Tickets sitting on the kitchen counter ready to go. Couple of rashers fried up and batch bread sambos will be had and then hit the road.
Best of luck to all Kerry players, management and supporters tommorrow. Weather is given to be good so it should add further to the occassion. I was a bit nervous about the langers a few weeks ago but as time has wore on I've grown more confident. I think our boys will not fear Cork any bit but definitely will not under estimate them. It will be close but I think we'll do it by 2 or 3 pts.
class, gotta have respect for that jersey.
i'm in new york for this one the second best place in the world to watch the all ireland. best of luck to everyone tomorrow cant wait for it. i really think it could be a classic, two great teams but i think kerry will do it. if not so be it they owe us nothing. .
Hoping for an Armagh/Cork double but have a sneaky feeling Spillane will be dancing come 4.45....hope Joe Brolly gives him a toe up the hole! ;D
Armagh 3-10 Mayo 1-11
Kerry 2-9 Cork 1-11 :o
Sun is up, the jersey is stretched accross my broad back, ticket in pocket, have the spuds ate and heading into town to get a good run at the day.
It my 17th final attending when Kerry are playing, just love the day, just bursting with pride, thinking of my late grandfather and the stories he used to tell me about the greats he seen, Paddy Bawn, John Joe Sheehy, Miko Doylel, Paddy Kennedy, the Landers, the Walshes, Joe Keohane and into the 50's and '60's with the 2 Micko's, the Sheehy's, Long, the Murphys, Culloty the O'Donoghues, and then the greats of the 80's which I saw with my own eyes, Sheehy, Spillane, Paidi, Jacko, Egan, Paidi Lynch, The Keeffes, Power, Ogie, Nelligan, Bomber etc, into the dry 90's lit up by Mauruice Fitz and Seamus Moynihan, Eamon Breen, Liam Flahertry and Pa Laide amoung others, and now we have our current Legends, the Band of Brothers from back west, no prouder men to wear the Green and Gold, Gooch, Declan, Galvin, Tom O'Sullivan. Murphy, Griffin, Scanlon, Younhg and Kennelly, 30 years after Tim lifted Sam, he would be a proud man seeing you today, and all the rest of the Kerry lads will walk through walls today to bring Sam home.
I think we will win.
We will dominate the Cork Full Back line and I think break even with the Cork half forwards, they are the 2 key lines I think.
Enjoy the day one and all.
C'mon the Kingdom,
Today is the 8th anniversary of one of my best friends passing, God rest Paddy H. you will be with us today, miss you on days like this.
The game of contrasting styles.
It will all be down to which team sets the tempo from MF. Could see D Se and McCarthy in partricular finding a high tempo challenging. To balance that expect Galvin and Kennelly to be very evident around the middle. If they can control that MF battle, KY have the football composure to supply their inside forward line. On balance the two FB lines are capable of blotting the FFs but it's all about supply. Whoiever sets and keeps the tempo between the 45s will win... Hard to call who... Think Ky might just be the more composed but wouldn't be laying anything on it. Have had a good nibble on Kennelly at 12/1 to be MoM though - think the professional ,mentality to be spot on for the big day will bring that through.
Quote from: magickingdom on September 20, 2009, 01:11:41 AM
i'm in new york for this one the second best place in the world to watch the all ireland. best of luck to everyone tomorrow cant wait for it. i really think it could be a classic, two great teams but i think kerry will do it. if not so be it they owe us nothing. .
Out and about last night, and on two occasions Kerry folk remarked to my pal that it wasn't the red and white they really wanted to beat, but the
white and red (didn't realise he was a Tyrone man ;)) Let it go lads FFS! :D
Best to both teams today, and what a day for it.
A lad in Australia wants to know if the game is being streamed online anywhere? Or is InfoTV available in Oz does anyone know??
Quote from: Zulu on September 19, 2009, 05:26:51 PM
It counts for something lads, everyone would accept that lads who come through from successful underage set ups are better off than those who don't. Most counties build their senior success on the back of underage success and winning breeds confidence. Does underage success guarantee senior success or a performance in a senior AI? Of course not but it does count for something.
Sorry Zulu, probably badly worded on my part - of course it does count for something. I meant that it counts for nothing if they fail today - blatantly obvious statement, but given our personal experience on the big day I suppose I'm just conditioned to thinking that the Kingdon tend to win more often than not when facing those who don't match their experience.
I hope your right, but you stated that this Cork team were not mentally fragile, I was trying to point out that this has not been proven yet, thus the pundits mainly tipping Kerry.
Hope you're right though......
Quote from: thejuice on September 20, 2009, 11:48:45 AM
A lad in Australia wants to know if the game is being streamed online anywhere? Or is InfoTV available in Oz does anyone know??
I'm watching it at home in Sydney on Setanta (satellite subscription), depends on where he is though, if he's in any of the big cities any Irish bar will have it. He can subscribe to Setanta online ($15, I think) - otherwise I'm not sure but Justin TV normally carry the games.
www.setanta.com.au (http://www.setanta.com.au)
or
http://www.justin.tv/directory/sports (http://www.justin.tv/directory/sports)
Quote from: stephenite on September 20, 2009, 11:52:56 AM
Quote from: thejuice on September 20, 2009, 11:48:45 AM
A lad in Australia wants to know if the game is being streamed online anywhere? Or is InfoTV available in Oz does anyone know??
I'm watching it at home in Sydney on Setanta (satellite subscription), depends on where he is though, if he's in any of the big cities any Irish bar will have it. He can subscribe to Setanta online ($15, I think) - otherwise I'm not sure but Justin TV normally carry the games.
www.setanta.com.au (http://www.setanta.com.au)
or
http://www.justin.tv/directory/sports (http://www.justin.tv/directory/sports)
This link should work,not starting until 2 o'clock,showing RTE2,Im surprised that they are not showing the full Minor Match.
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=49706&part=sports
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 20, 2009, 09:22:08 AM
Sun is up, the jersey is stretched accross my broad back, ticket in pocket, have the spuds ate and heading into town to get a good run at the day.
It my 17th final attending when Kerry are playing, just love the day, just bursting with pride, thinking of my late grandfather and the stories he used to tell me about the greats he seen, Paddy Bawn, John Joe Sheehy, Miko Doylel, Paddy Kennedy, the Landers, the Walshes, Joe Keohane and into the 50's and '60's with the 2 Micko's, the Sheehy's, Long, the Murphys, Culloty the O'Donoghues, and then the greats of the 80's which I saw with my own eyes, Sheehy, Spillane, Paidi, Jacko, Egan, Paidi Lynch, The Keeffes, Power, Ogie, Nelligan, Bomber etc, into the dry 90's lit up by Mauruice Fitz and Seamus Moynihan, Eamon Breen, Liam Flahertry and Pa Laide amoung others, and now we have our current Legends, the Band of Brothers from back west, no prouder men to wear the Green and Gold, Gooch, Declan, Galvin, Tom O'Sullivan. Murphy, Griffin, Scanlon, Younhg and Kennelly, 30 years after Tim lifted Sam, he would be a proud man seeing you today, and all the rest of the Kerry lads will walk through walls today to bring Sam home.
I think we will win.
We will dominate the Cork Full Back line and I think break even with the Cork half forwards, they are the 2 key lines I think.
Enjoy the day one and all.
C'mon the Kingdom,
Today is the 8th anniversary of one of my best friends passing, God rest Paddy H. you will be with us today, miss you on days like this.
You're a lucky man! I put 20 on cork there just to get some interest, but good luck to whoever wins it! Two very different paths.
thanks for the links lads
RTE stream is shite.
myp2p.eu links only show RTE 1 and I cant find a link on justin.tv.
Help required ASAP please.
What happened Brolly's hand?
He said he abandoned pacifism too late in life and didn't know how to hit someone properly.
Mickey Harte has finally put the team of the decade row to bed anyway.
Is there any link 2 watch the match on the internet??
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 20, 2009, 02:13:31 PM
RTE stream is shite.
myp2p.eu links only show RTE 1 and I cant find a link on justin.tv.
Help required ASAP please.
Can't understand that,f***ing 'Murder she wrote' now showing ,usually MYP2P is good for the GAA,hopefully they get it sorted before long
Is that our very own Mike Sheeney down on the pitch?
http://www.justin.tv/vip_tenisss/old
live stream on justin.tv
Quote from: dec on September 20, 2009, 03:13:13 PM
http://www.justin.tv/vip_tenisss/old
live stream on justin.tv
You, my friend, are a gentleman
Damn RTE - just shut down that link 5 minutes before the game!
Quote from: dec on September 20, 2009, 03:13:13 PM
http://www.justin.tv/vip_tenisss/old
live stream on justin.tv
Content from this channel removed at the request of the copyright holder. This channel will be accessible again in 24 hours
Bastards
Yet again Kerry maul Murphy in the first minute.
Kennelly probably didn't quite mean it but how was there no card?
Any new links?
kennelly could have seen red for that
Quote from: clarshack on September 20, 2009, 03:35:43 PM
kennelly could have seen red for that
Could never see a ref do that in the first minute of a ai
Fantastic score for Colm O'Neill.
2 1 Cork
kerry with the dirt so far
Beauty from Paddy Kelly
3 1
The referee should be red carded immediately
What a goal Colm O'Neill
Quote from: clarshack on September 20, 2009, 03:38:40 PM
kerry with the dirt so far
Cork look good,Kerry gone dirty
Dinger from Kelly - what a score!
Goal by O'Neill ::)
Holy fcuk, What a start from Cork.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on September 20, 2009, 03:41:10 PM
Holy fcuk, What a start from Cork.
Indeed - how long before Star is introduced?
Colm o neill...a star in the making! Ref chickening out here on the yellows big time
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 20, 2009, 03:43:37 PM
Colm o neill...a star in the making! Ref chickening out here on the yellows big time
Ref has kept Kerry in it. 2 soft frees and no cards.
Yellows, dirt, whinge, whinge. It's a man's game. Great stuff so far.
Quote from: Hardy on September 20, 2009, 03:46:11 PM
Yellows, dirt, whinge, whinge. It's a man's game. Great stuff so far.
Agreed
Quote from: Hardy on September 20, 2009, 03:46:11 PM
Yellows, dirt, whinge, whinge. It's a man's game. Great stuff so far.
Yea f**k it, what do we need rules for?
Duffy looks alot like Barry McGuigan
Yellow cards do more to ruin games than anything else.
Walsh is going to destroy Shields.
whats the score any new links
Cork 1-4 Kerry 0-6
God I hate Ger Canning.
'Colm Cooper is looking for latitude'
I'd be complaining if he was blowing the whistle for every little thing. I'd rather he let some things go, within reason.
Galvin suffering from the aul divitus, I wonder will spillane publically ridicule him as a cheat a la Owen mulligan
cheers for the updates if anyone finds another link please post it up thanks
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 20, 2009, 03:56:40 PM
Galvin suffering from the aul divitus, I wonder will spillane publically ridicule him as a cheat a la Owen mulligan
Would you stop fuckin whingin and enjoy the game.
Quote from: Hardy on September 20, 2009, 03:58:21 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 20, 2009, 03:56:40 PM
Galvin suffering from the aul divitus, I wonder will spillane publically ridicule him as a cheat a la Owen mulligan
Would you stop fuckin whingin and enjoy the game.
Stop fuggin whinging about fuggin whinging.
Heh heh.
Great game so far.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/rto-live-tv
this link is working stateside, choppy though.
Poor quality ball going in to the Cork forwards. Anthony Lynch booked. He is the cutest hoor in football but the ref has been kind to Cooper today.
0-10 1-5
Cork need to start winning the ball around the middle
I'm watching the RTO link and listening to HighlandRadio...don't think it's on live though. Like the half-time entertainment on TV too.
Martin McHugh reckons the ref is doing well, btw.
Quote from: Aerlik on September 20, 2009, 04:14:56 PM
I'm watching the RTO link and listening to HighlandRadio...don't think it's on live though. Like the half-time entertainment on TV too.
Martin McHugh reckons the ref is doing well, btw.
McHugh is a muppet then.
Galvin & Kennelly are making a huge difference and Miskella is out of it completely.
Cork need the half back line to dominate their players, the need to at least break even in the middle but Colm O'Neill is still good enough if they can get the ball to him.
Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2009, 04:19:39 PM
Quote from: Aerlik on September 20, 2009, 04:14:56 PM
I'm watching the RTO link and listening to HighlandRadio...don't think it's on live though. Like the half-time entertainment on TV too.
Martin McHugh reckons the ref is doing well, btw.
McHugh is a muppet then.
Galvin & Kennelly are making a huge difference and Miskella is out of it completely.
Cork need the half back line to dominate their players, the need to at least break even in the middle but Colm O'Neill is still good enough if they can get the ball to him.
Pat Spillane thought that the Kennelly incident was a send off offence,but then he is biased !!
Jasus pat saying that kerry should have had sent of in the first minute.
I agree with Martin. I don't think Duffy's got one call wrong yet. Cooper vs. Lynch was marginal maybe but Lynch was fouling him both for the warning and the card, so he has nothing to complain about. Too any refs yellow card the sectacular collision but ignore or miss the more effective tugs and niggles and pushes that make all the diference in winning or losing a ball.
A great AI final so far. Two teams a credit to the sport.
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on September 20, 2009, 04:01:59 PM
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/rto-live-tv
this link is working stateside, choppy though.
The link is working great now.
Quote from: Hardy on September 20, 2009, 04:24:19 PM
I agree with Martin. I don't think Duffy's got one call wrong yet. Cooper vs. Lynch was marginal maybe but Lynch was fouling him both for the warning and the card, so he has nothing to complain about. Too any refs yellow card the sectacular collision but ignore or miss the more effective tugs and niggles and pushes that make all the diference in winning or losing a ball.
Hardy, obviously you are related to him or maybe he has just bailed you out or something?
Kerry starting better
Great game to watch but for the constant interference of Martin "Again" Carney - tit!
Quote from: Sandy Hill on September 20, 2009, 04:32:08 PM
Great game to watch but for the constant interference of Martin "Again" Carney - tit!
He has to explain the game to Canning 'he didn't measure his shot'.
Cork wides going to be the beating of them
2 hops?
Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2009, 04:35:06 PM
2 hops?
Yep, but sure all Duffy's decisions are going Kerry's way.
Cork are ready to collapse
Cork have completely lost their way though.
Lots of poor decision making.
13 1-6
Cork crumbling...duffy helping
I've seen this too many times - Kerry ain't losing from here
Micheal Shields has made forward runs three times where he has carried the ball very well but his kick passing has let him down.
Be worth looking at Cussan and Masters now. Corks corner forwards poor IMO.
Also there half back line is getting over run.
Tomas O'Se should get a straight red FFS.
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 20, 2009, 04:38:30 PM
Cork crumbling...duffy helping
Rubbish - not the Ref's fault they can't put it over the bar
If Cork could get 2 scores in a row we might have a game, Kerry actually look flat in the 2nd half
Sly kick there
lads, Marty Duffy is giving Kerry everything
Quote from: stephenite on September 20, 2009, 04:39:56 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 20, 2009, 04:38:30 PM
Cork crumbling...duffy helping
Rubbish - not the Ref's fault they can't put it over the bar
Yep - but still don't think he's overly influenced how the result will pan out. A ref will never send a player off at the throw in, much less in an AIF
Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2009, 04:39:24 PM
Tomas O'Se should get a straight red FFS.
The animals should be playing with 13 men by now.
Cork will pull this out, they just need to cut out half of the bad wides and they will have enough to beat Kerry.
C'mon the rebels.
Kennelly taken off??????????????//
Donncha O'Connor will be sent off they need to get him.
13 1-08
I hope they do Stew
did someone say Blanket defence. 9 kerry men behind the ball all the time,,wonder what pat thinks about that?
Quote from: stephenite on September 20, 2009, 04:39:56 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 20, 2009, 04:38:30 PM
Cork crumbling...duffy helping
Rubbish - not the Ref's fault they can't put it over the bar
I realise that but I think duffy is being quite harsh on them
Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2009, 04:42:38 PM
Kennelly taken off??????????????//
Donncha O'Connor will be sent off they need to get him.
13 1-08
Kennelly must be injured,Kerry miss him already
Kennely has to have been injured...no way u could take him off otherwise
I'd say game over now, 4 in it. Tommy Walsh 2 quick points has turned the game after Cork dominance of possession
I'm watching it in silence now. Canning has me driven mad.
Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2009, 04:50:37 PM
I'm watching it in silence now. Canning has me driven mad.
I know "Declan O'Sullivan is like a telephone operator - everything goes through him"
Paul Galvin yellow carded for picking the ball off the ground.
Over 60 frees, puke football, awful awful 2nd half
Cork's shooting is awful
Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2009, 04:50:37 PM
I'm watching it in silence now. Canning has me driven mad.
Same here,Canning is a clown
Game over i hate to say.
On a bright note we atleast have the crack of the croker guys trying to keep the fans of the pitch
Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2009, 04:50:37 PM
I'm watching it in silence now. Canning has me driven mad.
Put on the radio Mcheal won't let you down...
Starting in the 56th minute, Kerry block what would have been the Cork equalizer, go up the field, Walsh scores, then scores again, then suddenly another minute later they're four points up. Game over with the way Cork are shooting.
Tommy Walsh taken off??
Tom O'Sullivan booked for laughing.
Quote from: J70 on September 20, 2009, 04:58:01 PM
Starting in the 56th minute, Kerry block what would have been the Cork equalizer, go up the field, Walsh scores, then scores again, then suddenly another minute later they're four points up. Game over with the way Cork are shooting.
Nailed it. Very much sounded like the turning point.
masters fouled making a run for the ball by Tom O'sullivan, same free given twice to the gooch in the first half...typical fucccking inconsistency
went as expected.
Quote from: Kevin on September 20, 2009, 04:57:53 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2009, 04:50:37 PM
I'm watching it in silence now. Canning has me driven mad.
Put on the radio Mcheal won't let you down...
I know I will get shot down for saying this, but MO'M is an acquired taste too. I tried listening on the radio as I am overseas and had to turn it off after five minutes and am just getting score updates on line now. I've met him and he is a lovely man, a true gentleman, but I can't stand listening to him myself, it's like listening to Terry Wogan doing commentary, there are so many requests in the middle of it. I know it is supposed to be part of his charm, but his charm doesn't work with me.
Many claimed cork to be the next big thing, today confirms that they still don't have the head for the big day
QuoteTom O'Sullivan booked for laughing.
Marty has to even up his stats. He was awful and imho ruined the game.
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 20, 2009, 05:02:12 PM
Many claimed cork to be the next big thing, today confirms that they still don't have the head for the big day
They'll be back. Its a young side.
36 All Irelands, I can only be amamzed.
Happy for Kennelly
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 20, 2009, 05:02:12 PM
Many claimed cork to be the next big thing, today confirms that they still don't have the head for the big day
they'll be back. Some people underestimated the difficulty of playing a team 3 times in the one year. Better team won.
Quote from: stephenite on September 20, 2009, 05:04:25 PM
36 All Irelands, I can only be amamzed.
Happy for Kennelly
Me too on both accounts. I see Roos, Buchanon and Mickey O were at the game. More than a coincidence I think. It'll be great to see him back here next year, even if the Swans will be worse than Freo. :P
Who's gong to bump the "team of the decade" thread? :D
Why does the camera always zoom in on black people? There was a lad in a Cork jersey that got massive airtime earlier and a lady in a Kerry top just now?
Congratulations to Kerry, better team on the day. Can't believe I thought this was a different Cork team, still don't have the stomach for it.
Quote from: irunthev on September 20, 2009, 05:01:53 PM
Quote from: Kevin on September 20, 2009, 04:57:53 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2009, 04:50:37 PM
I'm watching it in silence now. Canning has me driven mad.
Put on the radio Mcheal won't let you down...
I know I will get shot down for saying this, but MO'M is an acquired taste too. I tried listening on the radio as I am overseas and had to turn it off after five minutes and am just getting score updates on line now. I've met him and he is a lovely man, a true gentleman, but I can't stand listening to him myself, it's like listening to Terry Wogan doing commentary, there are so many requests in the middle of it. I know it is supposed to be part of his charm, but his charm doesn't work with me.
No guns out of the closet here. I would know of what you speak. Need to go into the other end of the house as the rest of the tribe can't bear it.
Anyway Congrats Kerry, Jack O'Connor is some boyo
Also Cork are they the new Jimmy White, after 10 mins they looked more afraid of winning than losing, a definite choke I think..
Quote from: stephenite on September 20, 2009, 05:08:31 PM
Why does the camera always zoom in on black people? There was a lad in a Cork jersey that got massive airtime earlier and a lady in a Kerry top just now?
To demonstrate what a welcoming, integrated, multi-cultural society Ireland is... provided of course you aren't after one of the few remaining jobs in the country... or maybe the director is just a half-wit who thinks this stuff has any relevance.
Quote from: stephenite on September 20, 2009, 05:08:31 PM
Why does the camera always zoom in on black people? There was a lad in a Cork jersey that got massive airtime earlier and a lady in a Kerry top just now?
Paul Galvin isn't black. The producer must be his mother.
Congratulations Kerry, that puts to bed that aul team of the decade yoke anyway! It's amazing how similar your run was to ours last year, everybody will be looking the dubs next year in the quarters ha ha
Quote from: stephenite on September 20, 2009, 05:08:31 PM
Why does the camera always zoom in on black people? There was a lad in a Cork jersey that got massive airtime earlier and a lady in a Kerry top just now?
Was thinking that myself. I think we had a ref at the ulster final at half time kids match the same
That'd bring tears to a stone - Tadhg.
Poor old Zulu will have to go into hiding after all the blowing he did about Cork. They were absolutely woeful. Utterly abject display by them after the first 10 minutes. Not a great match but I´m sure Kerry won´t mind. Congrats to them on yet another title.
Quote from: stephenite on September 20, 2009, 05:08:31 PM
Why does the camera always zoom in on black people? There was a lad in a Cork jersey that got massive airtime earlier and a lady in a Kerry top just now?
That's RTE for you. Not the first time they shown their liberal hues.
Congrats to Kerry, second half was poor but they did the job, proven over course and distance, deserving winners. And they can be thankful to David Kelly too. :'(
Congrats to Kerry. Derserving winners.
Hats off to all the Kerry posters on here too.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on September 20, 2009, 05:22:38 PM
Quote from: stephenite on September 20, 2009, 05:08:31 PM
Why does the camera always zoom in on black people? There was a lad in a Cork jersey that got massive airtime earlier and a lady in a Kerry top just now?
That's RTE for you. Not the first time they shown their liberal hues.
Congrats to Kerry, second half was poor but they did the job, proven over course and distance, deserving winners. And they can be thankful to David Kelly too. :'(
Well done kerry.
Cork will feel aggrieved in that they should have had an extra man seconds into the game, this non decision will ensure that from now on players will nail an opposition player early on with the knowledge the ref will not have thew stones to do the right thing and send him off.
Cork were for me the better team overall however they kicked some fierce bad wides.
Well done Kerry. Class is permanent. Cork froze again. If Cork played Mayo in the final next year, nobody would win.
Again well done Kerry, the best team in an All-Ireland final when Tyrone aren't there!
Quote from: stew on September 20, 2009, 05:30:10 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on September 20, 2009, 05:22:38 PM
Quote from: stephenite on September 20, 2009, 05:08:31 PM
Why does the camera always zoom in on black people? There was a lad in a Cork jersey that got massive airtime earlier and a lady in a Kerry top just now?
That's RTE for you. Not the first time they shown their liberal hues.
Congrats to Kerry, second half was poor but they did the job, proven over course and distance, deserving winners. And they can be thankful to David Kelly too. :'(
Cork were for me the better team overall however they kicked some fierce bad wides.
Not a chance. They could never be the better team when they could barely put the ball between the posts even from 20 yards out. Kerry were far more economical and efficient at the other end.
Fair play to Kerry. Blanket defence taken to new levels altogether.
Good scores too though.
Cork not helped by the ref sucking Cooper's ginger 'nads all day, but they can only blame themselves with the amount of wides they had.
Well done to kerry. Lets hope that the kerry lads on here do not drink to much tonight.
Superb display by Kerry. The bitching about the referee is ridiculous. What game were yiz watching? Kennelly's collision with Murphy was no more than a mistimed shoulder that Murphy turned into. The hysteria about a "high elbow" by the two RTE muppets was outrageous.
And Id like to put in a word for Sligo - formlines through Kerry put them at second in the oder of merit.
Who was man of the match?
Quote from: ExiledGael on September 20, 2009, 05:37:11 PM
Who was man of the match?
As far as I know they name it tonight at the victory banquet, was Tom O'Sullivan for me.
QuoteSuperb display by Kerry. The bitching about the referee is ridiculous. What game were yiz watching?
Hardy I think you're lack of love for the langers is showing through, the game had over 60 frees, 3 incidents involving Kerry players that didn't even merit a yellow card and Kerry were far from superb, they were probably a block-down from losing, Cork choked in my opinion.
I'm listening to this backstage thing on the RTE player, Marty interviewing Cork lads and still asking them about not getting frees off Duffy - does he want to get a box or something?
Hats off to Kerry, great victory, comhghairdeas.
Cork bottled it again, I don't think that that particular team will ever be able to turn Kerry over in Croke, and they had enough hard earned chances.
Team of the Decade: no-brainer.
Well done to Kerry. Team of the decade now. Only seen the 1st half an listened to the 2nd half on the radio. The Cork forwards must have had a bad day at the office.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 20, 2009, 05:46:29 PM
QuoteSuperb display by Kerry. The bitching about the referee is ridiculous. What game were yiz watching?
Hardy I think you're lack of love for the langers is showing through, the game had over 60 frees, 3 incidents involving Kerry players that didn't even merit a yellow card and Kerry were far from superb, they were probably a block-down from losing, Cork choked in my opinion.
kerry were far better side bar the first 10 - they had an answer for everything Cork threw at them. Kerry played at 70% and still won- thats the sickener for Cork
Well Done Kerry-thouroughly deserved, if helped along a little by the ref. Cork confirmed what I had suspected that they could not replicate a superhuman performance like against Tyrone. Kenelly's tackle in the first minute should not have been let go by the ref but moreso by Cork. Shortly after that a Cork player had a chance to drive him out over the line and he withdrew-not as ruthless as against Tyrone. Standard of football in final was mediocre by both sides, with Cork's wides proving to be the difference. T Walsh deadly. Commentry comparing Galvin and O'Leary to the ugly sisters was hilarious. What happened Brolly's hand?
Anyway, we'll lend Sam to them for a year.
god cork are frustrating as was the ref in certain places.... i love to shake them and scream at them "you's have it in ya's, just need to stop bottling it and be cohesive!
but fair play to kerry better team on the day!
so thats it over...... just 9 mths (via the league) to go........ can't wait!
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 20, 2009, 09:22:08 AM
Sun is up, the jersey is stretched accross my broad back, ticket in pocket, have the spuds ate and heading into town to get a good run at the day.
It my 17th final attending when Kerry are playing, just love the day, just bursting with pride, thinking of my late grandfather and the stories he used to tell me about the greats he seen, Paddy Bawn, John Joe Sheehy, Miko Doylel, Paddy Kennedy, the Landers, the Walshes, Joe Keohane and into the 50's and '60's with the 2 Micko's, the Sheehy's, Long, the Murphys, Culloty the O'Donoghues, Enjoy the day one and all........
That near poetry. I love it.
The games now over, Kerry have the cup, neutrals have had a good match to watch. I will sleep well tonight.
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 20, 2009, 06:13:18 PM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 20, 2009, 09:22:08 AM
Sun is up, the jersey is stretched accross my broad back, ticket in pocket, have the spuds ate and heading into town to get a good run at the day.
It my 17th final attending when Kerry are playing, just love the day, just bursting with pride, thinking of my late grandfather and the stories he used to tell me about the greats he seen, Paddy Bawn, John Joe Sheehy, Miko Doylel, Paddy Kennedy, the Landers, the Walshes, Joe Keohane and into the 50's and '60's with the 2 Micko's, the Sheehy's, Long, the Murphys, Culloty the O'Donoghues, Enjoy the day one and all........
That near poetry. I love it.
The games now over, Kerry have the cup, neutrals have had a good match to watch. I will sleep well tonight.
it was rubbish second half, truly attrocious, i was expecting pat to make some crack about puke football - suppose he'll save it for his sunday world column next week instead?
I thought it was a frustrating match to watch, though slightly better than the minor.
Kenelly's substitution was bewildering unless he'd an injury. The O'Ses were class as was Young and Griffin eventually. O'Sullivan x2 class acts.
Good first half- no so good 2nd half. Wasn't that poor a game but won't be on anyone's shortlist either for a 2nd look.
Quote from: ONeill on September 20, 2009, 06:21:37 PM
I thought it was a frustrating match to watch, though slightly better than the minor.
Kenelly's substitution was bewildering unless he'd an injury. The O'Ses were class as was Young and Griffin eventually. O'Sullivan x2 class acts.
never saw the minor game, too busy watching the manchester derby ;)
Man of the match will be interesting, Walsh kicked 4 great points, O'Sullivan had a great first half, the O'Se boys tore forward for a few vital scores and harried well too. I would think Griffin's start will rule him out of the running for it though. I presume Galvin has player of the year sewn up now too.
Kennelly wasn't injured O'Neill he said so in after match interview, just said that Jack wanted to make the change, was a strange one alright
Was toying between Kenelly and T Walsh for man of the match before the game. Went for the Aussie. Think I'll be kicking cat tonight.
I'm delighted for Tadhg Kennelly, what a fairytale return to the county colours, and he steadied things for Kerry when they most needed it in the first half when Cork threatened to run riot.
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 20, 2009, 06:45:08 PM
Kennelly wasn't injured O'Neill he said so in after match interview, just said that Jack wanted to make the change, was a strange one alright
Have to admire how Kerry snuffed out canty, O Neill and miskella. JOC is a very astute tactician.
Disappointing day all round...a crap minor game and the Senior a little better.
It's an old truism in Gaelic Football that the team with the best forwards invariably win and it happened again today. Cork's forwards were deplorable in the third quarter. All the tactics in the world are no effin good if lads cant kick reasonable chances over the bar.
As for their attacking half back line...how about learning to defend lads and close the Kerry lads down. It's the only way to have some chance of batin the hoors.
Marty Duffy ,like all refs from "small" Counties was afraid of Kerry and totally bottled giving Kenelly a deserved yellow card in the first minute.
All I can say is thank God for Tyrone or them Kerry bucks would have about 7 in a row at this stage. :'(
With canty so subdued today by the roving Kennelly I wonder how much closer our semi would have been if cavanagh was 100%?
Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2009, 06:49:42 PM
Disappointing day all round...a crap minor game and the Senior a little better.
It's an old truism in Gaelic Football that the team with the best forwards invariably win and it happened again today. Cork's forwards were deplorable in the third quarter. All the tactics in the world are no effin good if lads cant kick reasonable chances over the bar.
As for their attacking half back line...how about learning to defend lads and close the Kerry lads down. It's the only way to have some chance of batin the hoors.
Marty Duffy ,like all refs from "small" Counties was afraid of Kerry and totally bottled giving Kenelly a deserved yellow card in the first minute.
All I can say is thank God for Tyrone or them Kerry bucks would have about 7 in a row at this stage. :'(
the studio lads reckoned red, even pat!! Was Galvin the first man yellow carded? 11/1 with the bookies this morning, sickened i didn't back Galvin for player of the year yesterday at 5/1, thought it was a better price than just backing Kerry at evs.
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 20, 2009, 06:52:21 PM
With canty so subdued today by the roving Kennelly I wonder how much closer our semi would have been if cavanagh was 100%?
You Tyronies need to gracefully accespt the fact that you were not there today. Please do you Co right and give over gracefully. You have had your day and may have others.
Trying to rain on Kerry's party on AIF day only sounds lke sourgrapes.
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 20, 2009, 07:07:56 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 20, 2009, 06:52:21 PM
With canty so subdued today by the roving Kennelly I wonder how much closer our semi would have been if cavanagh was 100%?
You Tyronies need to gracefully accespt the fact that you were not there today. Please do you Co right and give over gracefully. You have had your day and may have others.
Trying to rain on Kerry's party on AIF day only sounds lke sourgrapes.
Yeah cause no one from Kerry would try something like that. Was Pearse O'Neill playing today?
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 20, 2009, 06:52:21 PM
With canty so subdued today by the roving Kennelly I wonder how much closer our semi would have been if cavanagh was 100%?
I think you'd have won with a fully fit cavanagh playing, he showed with that run where he hit the post just how dangerous he would have been, but he wasn't fit and Kerry managed to win an all ireland with possibly their best player of the past few years on the sidelines. How many other counties could have fully fit players like O'Mahony on the bench?
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 20, 2009, 07:07:56 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 20, 2009, 06:52:21 PM
With canty so subdued today by the roving Kennelly I wonder how much closer our semi would have been if cavanagh was 100%?
You Tyronies need to gracefully accespt the fact that you were not there today. Please do you Co right and give over gracefully. You have had your day and may have others.
Trying to rain on Kerry's party on AIF day only sounds lke sourgrapes.
Jesus Christ man, if u look back a page or two you will see if fully congratulated Kerry, I'm only pointing out the fact that Canty was collosal against ourselves and when he was on a real warrior like Kennelly he was majorly disrupted. It appears sometimes that if anyone from Tyrone makes a comment on a match they're not involved in they get chastised
Fair play to Kerry....better team on the day no doubt, too bad so many Cork lads didn't show up.
Right enough about O'Neill, McCarthy must have done a fantastic job on him, hard to see on TV.
I didn't hear who got MOM, O'Sullivan for me then Tommy Walsh... he got the scores when needed!
Delighted for Armagh Minors, came good when it mattered most.
Cork kicked themselves out of it second half, fair play to Kerry.
Best team is that who takes their scores.
Lucky enough to have been at both finals.
Hurling a winner in terms of skill.
How many fouls in the football?
Took a friend from Australia to the match.
Everytime the big screen flashed, she asked if all Cork people were black!
Well I think that's the first time a match has turned out as I predicted... Fair play to Colm O'Neill for turning up, Cork should put all their efforts into him as I think he'll be to them what the Gooch is to Kerry
Kerry won this in the middle third, where they ruled supreme apart from the first 10 minutes. Jacks plan for Kennelly on Canty worked to perfection and his substition of him was one of the most bewildering I've seen, he says he wasn't injured and certainly didn't look to be tiring. Thought himself and Declan O'Sullivan were immense in the first half, Cork really erred in not putting on Cadogan from the start.
MOTM will propably go to Tom O'Sullivan who displayed great reading of the game and came bursting out from the back countless times but my MOTM was Seamus Scanlon. That's the best performance I've ever seen from him, won some amount of ball in the middle, always looked to lay it off and invariably found his man. He never let up the whole game and covered every blade of grass, I think he spent more time in the full back line than midfield as he was always back there available for a pass.
Could and probably should have been closer as Cork missed some amount of wides, although most were from around the 40 under pressure. It'll be a long winter in Langerland...
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 20, 2009, 08:34:57 PM
Well I think that's the first time a match has turned out as I predicted... Fair play to Colm O'Neill for turning up, Cork should put all their efforts into him as I think he'll be to them what the Gooch is to Kerry
Kerry won this in the middle third, where they ruled supreme apart from the first 10 minutes. Jacks plan for Kennelly on Canty worked to perfection and his substition of him was one of the most bewildering I've seen, he says he wasn't injured and certainly didn't look to be tiring. Thought himself and Declan O'Sullivan were immense in the first half, Cork really erred in not putting on Cadogan from the start.
MOTM will propably go to Tom O'Sullivan who displayed great reading of the game and came bursting out from the back countless times but my MOTM was Seamus Scanlon. That's the best performance I've ever seen from him, won some amount of ball in the middle, always looked to lay it off and invariably found his man. He never let up the whole game and covered every blade of grass, I think he spent more time in the full back line than midfield as he was always back there available for a pass.
Could and probably should have been closer as Cork missed some amount of wides, although most were from around the 40 under pressure. It'll be a long winter in Langerland...
scanlon and galvin were immense today but because they didn't score expect most people to not notice at all.
Was a disappointing final after a promising start. I really thought Cork would/could do it but their forwards just didn't turn up. Kerry played in patches but when they did they got the scores, when Cork got their dominant periods they shot poorly.
Kerry's defence after the shaky start was outstanding. The 2 O'Se brothers were outstanding again. Tomas gave Kerrigan some some torturing scoring 2 points and setting up play after play - his first point was class. Pearse O'Neill was anonymous - what a player Mc Carthy is. Killian was very good on the ball and attacked constantly. Tommy Griffin after the slip for the goal dominated Colm.
But my MOM was Tom O'Sullivan who came out with ball after ball.
Scanlon has to get an All Star for the last 3 games alone. Dara got through a power of work but 70 minutes is now beyond him.
Galvin got some possessions - player of the year after Kennelly imposed himself on Canty who had to go to corner back.
Declan O'Sullivan can carry a ball and got through dome work.
Kennelly - delighted for him. Class act.
Gooch - tortured Lynch.
Walsh - near to MOM. Point taking was awesome.
Darren - bit on the light side but up with a deadly poin when Cork had Kerry on the back foot.
Cork kicked themselves out of the game. However they were forced to kick from distance cos they lack creativity.
The winners take it all.
I always thought that Kerry would win when it mattered most. I'd loved to have seen Cork but Kerry didn't even have to play at their best to beat Cork today.
Quote from: Mack the finger on September 20, 2009, 08:33:19 PM
Delighted for Armagh Minors, came good when it mattered most.
Cork kicked themselves out of it second half, fair play to Kerry.
Best team is that who takes their scores.
Lucky enough to have been at both finals.
Hurling a winner in terms of skill.
How many fouls in the football?Took a friend from Australia to the match.
Everytime the big screen flashed, she asked if all Cork people were black!
53 fouls in the football today.
Any idea how many of them went against Cork?
Quote from: INDIANA on September 20, 2009, 08:38:37 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 20, 2009, 08:34:57 PM
Well I think that's the first time a match has turned out as I predicted... Fair play to Colm O'Neill for turning up, Cork should put all their efforts into him as I think he'll be to them what the Gooch is to Kerry
Kerry won this in the middle third, where they ruled supreme apart from the first 10 minutes. Jacks plan for Kennelly on Canty worked to perfection and his substition of him was one of the most bewildering I've seen, he says he wasn't injured and certainly didn't look to be tiring. Thought himself and Declan O'Sullivan were immense in the first half, Cork really erred in not putting on Cadogan from the start.
MOTM will propably go to Tom O'Sullivan who displayed great reading of the game and came bursting out from the back countless times but my MOTM was Seamus Scanlon. That's the best performance I've ever seen from him, won some amount of ball in the middle, always looked to lay it off and invariably found his man. He never let up the whole game and covered every blade of grass, I think he spent more time in the full back line than midfield as he was always back there available for a pass.
Could and probably should have been closer as Cork missed some amount of wides, although most were from around the 40 under pressure. It'll be a long winter in Langerland...
scanlon and galvin were immense today but because they didn't score expect most people to not notice at all.
Galvin too was up there (as indeed was Tommy Walsh) but their contributions have rightly been lauded left, right and center. Baffled that Scanlon hasn't even got a mention anywhere, I'm just waiting now for Tony Davis, Tommy Lyons and Kevin McStay to fawn all over Walsh kicking scores and show us repeated clips of O'Sullivan bursting out of defence (with good reason), while ignoring the contribution of Scanlon...
The hardest area on any gaelic football team to get right is the midfield and half forward lines. Kerry have consistently got these lines right more than most others. Scanlon rarely ever gives the ball away- you can't buy that commodity. Just contrast that to the Cork distribution today but I thought the movement of the cork full forward line was brutal today.
Well done to the kingdom. a brilliant side with class acts all over the field. Im sure thats the end off big Darragh, what a legend, 6 all ireland medals. Kerry are a joy to watch and are team off the decade without doubt. Jack OConner is some manager.
Quote from: Tyrones own on September 20, 2009, 08:49:53 PM
Any idea how many of them went against Cork?
Don't know what the breakdown was but Marty Morrissey was at his work today again trying to draw Conor Counihan on the referee's performance - Counihan diplomatically said that he'd leave to the pundits to make comment on that.
Personally I thought the ref was good today - he missed a few things and made a couple of strange calls but generally thought he was good.
Despite the fact that he was wearing an Armagh jersey, my 14 year old son managed to get Paul Galvin's boots and Kieran Donaghy's gloves after the match was over. Full marks to both guys for this
What a scrounger. :D
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 20, 2009, 09:04:19 PM
Despite the fact that he was wearing an Armagh jersey, my 14 year old son managed to get Paul Galvin's boots and Kieran Donaghy's gloves after the match was over. Full marks to both guys for this
Credit to both lads. Fair dues to then.
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 20, 2009, 09:01:29 PM
Well done to the kingdom. a brilliant side with class acts all over the field. Im sure thats the end off big Darragh, what a legend, 6 all ireland medals. Kerry are a joy to watch and are team off the decade without doubt. Jack OConner is some manager.
they certainly can be when in full flow, today was not one of those days. They out tyroned cork today.
Well now - where do ye start.
Not a great spectacle to be polite. Kerry got it right tactically and got the stangelhold on the middle of the park after the first 10 minutes that meant they were really comnfortable as long as they didn't take the foot off the pedal, which they didn't. It was a game for those that appreciate and analyse game plans and not for thoise looking to admire a beautiful game
Thought that Griffin, Tom O'Sullivan, T Se, Scanlon, Declan O'Sullivan, Galvin, Kennelly, Walsh and Cooper played well.
Being more critical though, for all the sallying out with the ball that got great attention, O'Sullivan was as much if not more screwed one to one by his man than any other Kerry defender right throughout the game- including Griffin's inglorious start - so that spoiled his book for me. He conceded four points from play and also the best goal chance that Cork got apart from the actual goal. T Se on the other hand smothered Kerrigan, picked and carried oodles of ball and weighed in with two points - if it goes to a Kerry back, then it has to be him. I backed Kennelly for MoM and was feeling good until Jack intervened and I thought that he, Galvin and Declan O'Sullivan were neck and neck in terms of the value of their very different contributions. Walsh is a frustrating player for me. He got great points but he also runs up blind alleys and tries sily things, often ending up in giving the ball away. As yet for me he lacks the composure on the ball that marks out the aforementioned half forwards and Cooper, and it is a weakness, to the poiunt where I would have taken him out 10 minutes earlier than he was withdrawn just to keep the ball in the forward line longer. Cooper wasn't great but he madre important contributions, ably helped by Lynch who today finally got caught out at the tricks he's been up to for years. I have to say that I cannot understand why this guy is so highly rated. All in though the guy that to me deserves MoM today is Scanlon for fielkding, tackling, passing, link up play and generally forcing Kerry on top after about 10 minutes before which they were being royally screwed. For me it is between him and T Se, although I suspect Walsh's points will put him in the frame, undeservedly IMO
Looking at Cork - poor day. Their fortwards aftert a good looking sytart just didn't deliver. MF and the HF were particularly disappointing. I thought that Gouldiung and O'Neill could hold their heads but the volume of ball they got made it impossible. The half backs were eclipsed but all in they would not have been helpoed by their being chopped all over the place - think O'Leary was the only one that played the whole game in the one position.
All in I thought that two things were the difference between the teams. Kerry were always comfortable on the ball and backed themselves to play the right ball as they saw it all the time - think of Griffin, the three O'Sullivans, the three O'Se's, McCarthy, Scanlon, Galvin, Kennelly, Cooper, Donaghy all 'playing' with the ball. Secondly Kerry took the step foirward into every balling winning or contact situation - theye were that bit harder through the ball - Cork seemed a bit more hesitant - woitness all that tip tapping hand passing over and back the field for long period in the second half with no penetration.
Bottom line is Kerry were by far the better team and should have been further ahead at HT and again at FT. THe goal put a gloss on it for Cork but apart from the first 10 minutes and 5 minutes between the 50th and 55th minutes, they were a poor second. On that goal btw, fabulous finish but really think the keeper shopuld have done better and gone for the ball coming in from the free in the first place. He left the spce for the man to get onto the ball.
Finally on the ref. I'm a Sligo man myself but don't know the guy and never saw him ref anywhere other than in intercountry games. He comes with a reputation for being fussy and on the whole he was, after a 'Kirwanesque' start. Thought the card should have been out in the first 20 sec - yellow, not red. He gave a few soft ones, both ways (witness the Cork 'free' on the stroke of half time) but picked up a lot that was subtle, not obvious but still fouls. Copped Lynch and it was as much not falling for the hype that Lynch is a sweet blond heired hero as that Cooper is an angel. Don't know what Galvin and O'Sullivan were booked for as both came after the play. The incident with T Se was nothing - he was was being held by somebody and tried to get away - nothing in it.
Finally, I know there is a thread elsewhere but... what an awful minor match. Horrible - Mayo toothless, Armagh way overrated
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Got to hand it to Kerry, they're never down for long.
Cork got a dream start but Kerry never panicked. Once they got a foothold in midfield halfway through the first half, the result was never really going to be in doubt in my mind.
The first half was very entertaining but Duffy was far too fussy after the break and the match deteriorated when Cork kicked their plethera of wides. That knocked the stuffing out of them and Kerry got away with being poor enough in the second half.
Tomás Ó Sé was my MOTM. One of the few Kerry players that wasn't asleep in the first ten minutes and kicked two inspirational points. If today was the last day that we'll see his deartháir in the Kerry engine room then we've been priveleged to see one of the greats.
We can eleaborate on how this game was won by Kerry but lets face it considering the form and physical presence of that Cork team, they quite simply bottled it and didn't have it in them to win today. I've been on teams that have bottled it so that comment was not me being smug
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 20, 2009, 09:41:02 PM
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Got to hand it to Kerry, they're never down for long.
Cork got a dream start but Kerry never panicked. Once they got a foothold in midfield halfway through the first half, the result was never really going to be in doubt in my mind.
The first half was very entertaining but Duffy was far too fussy after the break and the match deteriorated when Cork kicked their plethera of wides. That knocked the stuffing out of them and Kerry got away with being poor enough in the second half.
Tomás Ó Sé was my MOTM. One of the few Kerry players that wasn't asleep in the first ten minutes and kicked two inspirational points. If today was the last day that we'll see his deartháir in the Kerry engine room then we've been priveleged to see one of the greats.
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Don't know is the taem of the decade contrived to demean Tyrone's All Ireland wins. kerry go down the road yet again with Sam-can't argue with that. Can't believe Cork are now bottling All Irelands to Kerry as much as Mayo. Bore no resemblence to the way they outplayed and out muscled Tyrone. To see Tommy Walsh throwing over points like that was terrible indictment of Cork. Jees! yerra hit him a few skelps like big Joe did last year. Summer's over....
Quote from: theskull1 on September 20, 2009, 09:54:10 PM
We can eleaborate on how this game was won by Kerry but lets face it considering the form and physical presence of that Cork team, they quite simply bottled it and didn't have it in them to win today. I've been on teams that have bottled it so that comment was not me being smug
the disappointment is that the key players never showed up.
Delighted for Kerry today, they won another All Ireland without ever getting out of third gear, but its always great to see the langers lose.
Paul Galvin was everywhere today, did all the dirty work and was seen in his own defence as often as he was in the forward line. Not just my man of the match but also my player of the year. Kerry proved yet again that form is temporary and class is permanent. Cork now know the true value of their Munster title.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 20, 2009, 10:27:29 PM
Delighted for Kerry today, they won another All Ireland without ever getting out of third gear, but its always great to see the langers lose.
Paul Galvin was everywhere today, did all the dirty work and was seen in his own defence as often as he was in the forward line. Not just my man of the match but also my player of the year. Kerry proved yet again that form is temporary and class is permanent. Cork now know the true value of their Munster title.
Ask any of the Cork lads what they think of their Munster medals tonight and I think they'll not be placing a high value on them.
Quote from: orangeman on September 20, 2009, 10:39:17 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 20, 2009, 10:27:29 PM
Delighted for Kerry today, they won another All Ireland without ever getting out of third gear, but its always great to see the langers lose.
Paul Galvin was everywhere today, did all the dirty work and was seen in his own defence as often as he was in the forward line. Not just my man of the match but also my player of the year. Kerry proved yet again that form is temporary and class is permanent. Cork now know the true value of their Munster title.
Ask any of the Cork lads what they think of their Munster medals tonight and I think they'll not be placing a high value on them.
Maybe they will turn up for the presentation this time though.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on September 20, 2009, 10:56:12 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 20, 2009, 10:39:17 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 20, 2009, 10:27:29 PM
Delighted for Kerry today, they won another All Ireland without ever getting out of third gear, but its always great to see the langers lose.
Paul Galvin was everywhere today, did all the dirty work and was seen in his own defence as often as he was in the forward line. Not just my man of the match but also my player of the year. Kerry proved yet again that form is temporary and class is permanent. Cork now know the true value of their Munster title.
Ask any of the Cork lads what they think of their Munster medals tonight and I think they'll not be placing a high value on them.
Maybe they will turn up for the presentation this time though.
Was talking to a few Cork lads today and all is still not well so they mightn't turn up the year either.
Let them go back on strike. ;)
Who was man of the match?
my man of the match was tommy walsh, great scores and running out of him!
Quote from: ExiledGael on September 20, 2009, 11:14:30 PM
Who was man of the match?
Patiences, it'll be announced soon enough.
Tom O'Sullivan MOM Well done.
Well done Tom Sullivan. Always a very underrated player for the past decade. Would have given it to Tomás Ó Sé myself but nice to see Tom and a corner-back getting some recognition.
Must be a long time since a corner-back last won the MOTM for an All-Ireland Final.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 20, 2009, 11:30:24 PM
Well done Tom Sullivan. Always a very underrated player for the past decade. Would have given it to Tomás Ó Sé myself but nice to see Tom and a corner-back getting some recognition.
Must be a long time since a corner-back last won the MOTM for an All-Ireland Final.
1999 Mark Reilly the last one I remember.
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Must be a long time since a corner-back last won the MOTM for an All-Ireland Final.
well there were two of them in the hopper this evening. For my money O'Sullivan was whizzed in his one to omne with Goulding but did get throiugh a power of work sweeping up and driving out. A much underrated player.
Not sure that the pundits got it right tonight - T Se, Scanlon and Galvin were all more deserving of the glassware tonight than any of the three that they shortlisted (T O'Sullivan, M Se, T Walsh)
what did he get? PJ Ryan the kk keeper who was man of the match in the hurling got flights to anywhere Ethiaad fly to and I think 5K of spending money (it could have been flights to a value of 5k).
Quote from: paddypastit on September 20, 2009, 09:39:04 PM
Well now - where do ye start.
Not a great spectacle to be polite. Kerry got it right tactically and got the stangelhold on the middle of the park after the first 10 minutes that meant they were really comnfortable as long as they didn't take the foot off the pedal, which they didn't. It was a game for those that appreciate and analyse game plans and not for thoise looking to admire a beautiful game
Thought that Griffin, Tom O'Sullivan, T Se, Scanlon, Declan O'Sullivan, Galvin, Kennelly, Walsh and Cooper played well.
Being more critical though, for all the sallying out with the ball that got great attention, O'Sullivan was as much if not more screwed one to one by his man than any other Kerry defender right throughout the game- including Griffin's inglorious start - so that spoiled his book for me. He conceded four points from play and also the best goal chance that Cork got apart from the actual goal. T Se on the other hand smothered Kerrigan, picked and carried oodles of ball and weighed in with two points - if it goes to a Kerry back, then it has to be him. I backed Kennelly for MoM and was feeling good until Jack intervened and I thought that he, Galvin and Declan O'Sullivan were neck and neck in terms of the value of their very different contributions. Walsh is a frustrating player for me. He got great points but he also runs up blind alleys and tries sily things, often ending up in giving the ball away. As yet for me he lacks the composure on the ball that marks out the aforementioned half forwards and Cooper, and it is a weakness, to the poiunt where I would have taken him out 10 minutes earlier than he was withdrawn just to keep the ball in the forward line longer. Cooper wasn't great but he madre important contributions, ably helped by Lynch who today finally got caught out at the tricks he's been up to for years. I have to say that I cannot understand why this guy is so highly rated. All in though the guy that to me deserves MoM today is Scanlon for fielkding, tackling, passing, link up play and generally forcing Kerry on top after about 10 minutes before which they were being royally screwed. For me it is between him and T Se, although I suspect Walsh's points will put him in the frame, undeservedly IMO
Looking at Cork - poor day. Their fortwards aftert a good looking sytart just didn't deliver. MF and the HF were particularly disappointing. I thought that Gouldiung and O'Neill could hold their heads but the volume of ball they got made it impossible. The half backs were eclipsed but all in they would not have been helpoed by their being chopped all over the place - think O'Leary was the only one that played the whole game in the one position.
All in I thought that two things were the difference between the teams. Kerry were always comfortable on the ball and backed themselves to play the right ball as they saw it all the time - think of Griffin, the three O'Sullivans, the three O'Se's, McCarthy, Scanlon, Galvin, Kennelly, Cooper, Donaghy all 'playing' with the ball. Secondly Kerry took the step foirward into every balling winning or contact situation - theye were that bit harder through the ball - Cork seemed a bit more hesitant - woitness all that tip tapping hand passing over and back the field for long period in the second half with no penetration.
Bottom line is Kerry were by far the better team and should have been further ahead at HT and again at FT. THe goal put a gloss on it for Cork but apart from the first 10 minutes and 5 minutes between the 50th and 55th minutes, they were a poor second. On that goal btw, fabulous finish but really think the keeper shopuld have done better and gone for the ball coming in from the free in the first place. He left the spce for the man to get onto the ball.
Finally on the ref. I'm a Sligo man myself but don't know the guy and never saw him ref anywhere other than in intercountry games. He comes with a reputation for being fussy and on the whole he was, after a 'Kirwanesque' start. Thought the card should have been out in the first 20 sec - yellow, not red. He gave a few soft ones, both ways (witness the Cork 'free' on the stroke of half time) but picked up a lot that was subtle, not obvious but still fouls. Copped Lynch and it was as much not falling for the hype that Lynch is a sweet blond heired hero as that Cooper is an angel. Don't know what Galvin and O'Sullivan were booked for as both came after the play. The incident with T Se was nothing - he was was being held by somebody and tried to get away - nothing in it.
Finally, I know there is a thread elsewhere but... what an awful minor match. Horrible - Mayo toothless, Armagh way overrated
Great summation Paddy, I agree with all of that. When I saw O'Cinneide on the Sunday Game panel I thought that we would get a good synopsis for MOTM. However the leading contenders, in order IMO, Scanlon and Galvin, weren't even nominated. You'd wonder what games these lads were looking at...
I really hope you're not a big gambler Zulu
Quote from: paddypastit on September 20, 2009, 09:39:04 PM
Finally, I know there is a thread elsewhere but... what an awful minor match. Horrible - Mayo toothless, Armagh way overrated
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If you pull somone's jersey in front of the ref like Lynch did - you get penalised. jersey pulling is still a foul.
Terrible game yesterday. Error ridden and full of frees. Cork rolled over and didn't put up much of a fight at all.
This Kerry side have to be worst team to win an AI since Armagh in 2002. All the same they won't mind and hearties congratulations to them.
Bit disappointed at people picking up on Tadhg's hit esp the Cork boys who more than gave Tyrone their fill in the SF. If you give it lads, ye have to take it too.
I didn't think it was that bad of a game at all. I thought the first half was great, breathless stuff. In the second I felt Kerry decided to conserve a bit of energy, invite Cork onto them an try and time their bursts when Cork hit a lull. I thought, and said, after the Tyrone game that I had noticed that Cork kicked bad wides (maybe 13) against Tyrone when they felt a bit of pressure, and it came back to haunt them yesterday. Kerry recovered very well from the blitz at the start, with Galvin, Scanlon, Kennelly, Tomás and Declan O'Sullivan getting on a lot of ball. O'Sullivan was like an orchestra conducter there for about 15-20 minutes. He never wasted a ball and was directly involved in 4 or 5 Kerry scores. Kennelly took Canty out of his comfort zone. Miskella switching back on Declan, coupled with Kerry's approach in the second half, quietened him a bit, but Miskella's contribution to this Cork team is surging forward, and the fact he couldn't really do that was a big blow. Likewise Noel O'Leary on Galvin and Canty on Kennelly. That was the winning of the game for me.
Cork's wides will haunt them, but that wasn't unexpected. They are still a formidable team, but they need to develop that unwavering focus when a game is in the melting pot. Kerry have panicked a couple of times against Tyrone in the past, but other than that they are ice. Cork need to learn from that and realise that you can hang in and tick over and the chances will come again. Then you must take them.
All in all, a great win for Kerry, and I'm delighted for them. They stuck around, rode their luck, and then made it pay. That's all you can hope for. Kennelly's interview afterwards was tough to watch, you really felt for the lad, but I'm delighted for him and his family.
The turf is saved, God is in his heaven, and Sam is in the Kingdom. Plus ca change.
Quote from: botman on September 21, 2009, 09:54:19 AM
Terrible game yesterday. Error ridden and full of frees. Cork rolled over and didn't put up much of a fight at all.
This Kerry side have to be worst team to win an AI since Armagh in 2002. All the same they won't mind and hearties congratulations to them.
Bit disappointed at people picking up on Tadhg's hit esp the Cork boys who more than gave Tyrone their fill in the SF. If you give it lads, ye have to take it too.
That could be a contender for crazy post of the year. This Kerry team, or the bones of it, have been in 8 All Irelands in 10 years, and won 5 of them. Tyrone are a definite bogey team/have their number/are in their heads but apart from that, this team is probably one of the *best* teams that have won All Irelands.
Sweet so sweet . Especially after last year and all the media bashing earlier in the season . It was a tight game where experience really mattered . I must acknowledge that Tadhgs challenge was reckless and he was lucky the ref did not see it properly . Cork will no doubt be dissappointed but we were in the same position 12 months ago and came back .
I am delighted for all the team and mgt involved . If you run through the team in every line there are real hero's . Tommy Griffen and Tom in the full back line and of course Marx especially the great block on O Connor at a crucial time in the match . In the Half back line Tomasc 2 top class points and of course Mike Mac . That Castleisland soccer must be at some high level .
In mid field Dara kept plugging away and really was more of a team player yesterday and course Scanlon the engine of the team .
For the forwards the amount of work that the half forward line got through was immense they kept running and hassling the Cork half back line .
Jack pulled a master stroke in putting Declan at the edge of the square (helped by Corks choice of replacement for the unfortunate Carey ) . Gooch was not at the peak of his game but big Tommy was excellent especially the last 2 crucial scores .
Thanks lads enjoy the break
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 21, 2009, 09:59:53 AM
I didn't think it was that bad of a game at all. I thought the first half was great, breathless stuff. In the second I felt Kerry decided to conserve a bit of energy, invite Cork onto them an try and time their bursts when Cork hit a lull. I thought, and said, after the Tyrone game that I had noticed that Cork kicked bad wides (maybe 13) against Tyrone when they felt a bit of pressure, and it came back to haunt them yesterday. Kerry recovered very well from the blitz at the start, with Galvin, Scanlon, Kennelly, Tomás and Declan O'Sullivan getting on a lot of ball. O'Sullivan was like an orchestra conducter there for about 15-20 minutes. He never wasted a ball and was directly involved in 4 or 5 Kerry scores. Kennelly took Canty out of his comfort zone. Miskella switching back on Declan, coupled with Kerry's approach in the second half, quietened him a bit, but Miskella's contribution to this Cork team is surging forward, and the fact he couldn't really do that was a big blow. Likewise Noel O'Leary on Galvin and Canty on Kennelly. That was the winning of the game for me.
Cork's wides will haunt them, but that wasn't unexpected. They are still a formidable team, but they need to develop that unwavering focus when a game is in the melting pot. Kerry have panicked a couple of times against Tyrone in the past, but other than that they are ice. Cork need to learn from that and realise that you can hang in and tick over and the chances will come again. Then you must take them.
All in all, a great win for Kerry, and I'm delighted for them. They stuck around, rode their luck, and then made it pay. That's all you can hope for. Kennelly's interview afterwards was tough to watch, you really felt for the lad, but I'm delighted for him and his family.
The turf is saved, God is in his heaven, and Sam is in the Kingdom. Plus ca change.
The 2nd half was brutal AZ. Nearly snooze button time. Enjoyed the first half. Some of corks defenders are not that good at defending. I have a theory that defenders that attack too much can't defend properly. The best defenders only go forwards sometimes and make it count like Tomas O Se.
Cork again showed their short-comings in a big game at CP against Kerry.
They seemed like a shadow of the team that had destroyed teams all year
Lynch played his usual game yesterday but was caught. He was constantly pulling the jersey of the Gooch & fair play to the ref for spotting it.
Jack O Connor identified weakness' on the Cork team & exploited them to the full
TBH, the 2nd half was a bit of an anti-climax with the game drifting towards an inevitable Kerry victory
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2009, 10:07:35 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 21, 2009, 09:59:53 AM
I didn't think it was that bad of a game at all. I thought the first half was great, breathless stuff. In the second I felt Kerry decided to conserve a bit of energy, invite Cork onto them an try and time their bursts when Cork hit a lull. I thought, and said, after the Tyrone game that I had noticed that Cork kicked bad wides (maybe 13) against Tyrone when they felt a bit of pressure, and it came back to haunt them yesterday. Kerry recovered very well from the blitz at the start, with Galvin, Scanlon, Kennelly, Tomás and Declan O'Sullivan getting on a lot of ball. O'Sullivan was like an orchestra conducter there for about 15-20 minutes. He never wasted a ball and was directly involved in 4 or 5 Kerry scores. Kennelly took Canty out of his comfort zone. Miskella switching back on Declan, coupled with Kerry's approach in the second half, quietened him a bit, but Miskella's contribution to this Cork team is surging forward, and the fact he couldn't really do that was a big blow. Likewise Noel O'Leary on Galvin and Canty on Kennelly. That was the winning of the game for me.
Cork's wides will haunt them, but that wasn't unexpected. They are still a formidable team, but they need to develop that unwavering focus when a game is in the melting pot. Kerry have panicked a couple of times against Tyrone in the past, but other than that they are ice. Cork need to learn from that and realise that you can hang in and tick over and the chances will come again. Then you must take them.
All in all, a great win for Kerry, and I'm delighted for them. They stuck around, rode their luck, and then made it pay. That's all you can hope for. Kennelly's interview afterwards was tough to watch, you really felt for the lad, but I'm delighted for him and his family.
The turf is saved, God is in his heaven, and Sam is in the Kingdom. Plus ca change.
The 2nd half was brutal AZ. Nearly snooze button time. Enjoyed the first half. Some of corks defenders are not that good at defending. I have a theory that defenders that attack too much can't defend properly. The best defenders only go forwards sometimes and make it count like Tomas O Se.
Not sure about that theory, but there's probably merit in it. There's few enough Tomás O'Sés in the world, and when a defender gets into a habit of bombing forward they can get really knocked back when they have to actually defend. They are out of their comfort zone. It's one thing when you are forcing your half forward to track you back up the field when you go on these surging runs looking for possession. It's another thing to be following him all over Croke Park.
The second half was poor enough, but I think that was the tactical element of it. Kerry just decided that they had to take the sting out of Cork, and kill them off then.
Quote from: Mack the finger on September 20, 2009, 08:33:19 PM
Took a friend from Australia to the match.
Everytime the big screen flashed, she asked if all Cork people were black!
I thought this was really cringeworthy, seemed as if the cameraman was scanning the crowd for black people wearing a cork or kerry jersey. It's 2009 ffs, get over it...
Quote from: Mack the finger on September 20, 2009, 08:33:19 PM
Took a friend from Australia to the match.
Everytime the big screen flashed, she asked if all Cork people were black!
In fairness your friend sounds kind of silly. Like she could have looked around and saw plenty of people in Cork jersey's who were white. I think around 25,000 Cork people went.
Counihan getting an awful doing down in Cork already I'm told. A lot of Cork fans want him out. I thought he'd done a decent job!
In hindsight not starting Cadogan might have been a mistake. But I questioned the merit of starting a guy with no experience on Friday- but he's looks a hell of a good player. Much better than he is at hurling. Shields on Walsh probably wasn't ideal either .
But the main reason Cork lost was because too many players didn't show up. Can't blame the manager for that. Well neutrals won't anyway.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 21, 2009, 10:02:55 AM
Quote from: botman on September 21, 2009, 09:54:19 AM
Terrible game yesterday. Error ridden and full of frees. Cork rolled over and didn't put up much of a fight at all.
This Kerry side have to be worst team to win an AI since Armagh in 2002. All the same they won't mind and hearties congratulations to them.
Bit disappointed at people picking up on Tadhg's hit esp the Cork boys who more than gave Tyrone their fill in the SF. If you give it lads, ye have to take it too.
That could be a contender for crazy post of the year. This Kerry team, or the bones of it, have been in 8 All Irelands in 10 years, and won 5 of them. Tyrone are a definite bogey team/have their number/are in their heads but apart from that, this team is probably one of the *best* teams that have won All Irelands.
Antrim should've beat them, Sligo should've beat them and Cork did beat them, so for me not a great team this year to be fair.
Don't get me wrong, well done and good luck to them, but overall a championship to forget.
Quote from: botman on September 21, 2009, 10:50:09 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 21, 2009, 10:02:55 AM
Quote from: botman on September 21, 2009, 09:54:19 AM
Terrible game yesterday. Error ridden and full of frees. Cork rolled over and didn't put up much of a fight at all.
This Kerry side have to be worst team to win an AI since Armagh in 2002. All the same they won't mind and hearties congratulations to them.
Bit disappointed at people picking up on Tadhg's hit esp the Cork boys who more than gave Tyrone their fill in the SF. If you give it lads, ye have to take it too.
That could be a contender for crazy post of the year. This Kerry team, or the bones of it, have been in 8 All Irelands in 10 years, and won 5 of them. Tyrone are a definite bogey team/have their number/are in their heads but apart from that, this team is probably one of the *best* teams that have won All Irelands.
Antrim should've beat them, Sligo should've beat them and Cork did beat them, so for me not a great team this year to be fair.
Don't get me wrong, well done and good luck to them, but overall a championship to forget.
Bull shit of the highest order- westmeath should have beaten tyrone last year- down did beat them- mayo should have beaten them -etc etc etc. No-one questioning them.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 21, 2009, 10:02:55 AM
Tyrone are a definite bogey team/have their number/are in their heads but apart from that, this team is probably one of the *best* teams that have won All Irelands.
Not so sure about that AZ, by definition a bogey team is a team who is not good enough to win a Championship themselves, but will beat 'better' opposition routinely. 2003, '05 & '08 kind of rip the arse out of that theory.
Very very much like Tyrone last year. Cut it extremely fine in several games, used Dublin as a booster into higher orbit and played possibly a better team in the final, but one who doesn't play their best against that opposition.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 21, 2009, 11:01:04 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 21, 2009, 10:02:55 AM
Tyrone are a definite bogey team/have their number/are in their heads but apart from that, this team is probably one of the *best* teams that have won All Irelands.
Not so sure about that AZ, by definition a bogey team is a team who is not good enough to win a Championship themselves, but will beat 'better' opposition routinely. 2003, '05 & '08 kind of rip the arse out of that theory.
I think you're taking that comment too much to heart. AZ is making the point that Tyrone are the only team that have beaten Kerry recently in CP. Other than that this Kerry team would have surpassed the 70's team in my view.
Nothing to heart, I just think that this 'bogey team' tag is inaccurate and misrepresentative. Lazy journalism at its worst ;)
being in Davin stand I saw Lynch pull cooper a couple of times and yes they are frees, but If the ref was giving them he also should have been giving the frees close in for coras every time the ball was played into oneill, the kerry full back (or whoever it was that was marking him) pushed oneill in the back. Blatently most of the time I thought.
That to me was the difference in the first half and helped keep kerry in the game and eventually helped take the wind out of corks sails.
cork still had their chances but the old problem of kicking too many wides from scorable positions killed them in the end.
Kerry were much more driven and first to balls. Cork didnt perform, but kerry didnt let them.
Thought it was lost on the line as counihan should have made changes far sooner when it was obv that a few of the players were not performing.
well done Kerry.
tommy walsh has defied a lot of his critics here and in the media. imo he is the best forward in the game. Can win his own posession, scores with both feet and can take a hit and still go on.
No whinging , no diving and plays the game with a freshness and desire that inspires. A great man for kids to look up to.
Like Kilkenny and tipp the prev week, the cuter, smarter players did well. Theses were all on the kerry team yesterday. Cork lack the guile and craft and the bit of underhand stuff that is stopping them from winning sam.
A ruthless display by Kerry yesterday. J O'C has done a fine job ...rotating selection and using subs has kept the team hungry.
Having Galvin, Mike McCarthy and Kennelly available helped but tactically and physically they were well ahead of last year.
I wonder if they might yet get another year out of the Darragh/Quirke double act ...
Congrats to Kerry and Armagh. I was dissappointed with the minor game.As Brolly said it says a lot about the negativity that is being coached into the game at underage level - two teams that have played some great football this year should have given us a better game in my opinion. I thought the senior game was a great contest, although not a great game.I read somewhere that the Kerry starting 15 took to the field with 42 celtic crosses between them- a frightening stat.Kerry were exceptionally cool headed- I feel you really saw how tight this bunch of players are and how much they give for each other.
A fantastic performance from a team that were written off 3/4 times this summer, surely ensuring that this group of lads will be remembered with the Kerry greats of times past.Hard for Cork to know how to get past this - I'd say at this stage there's a long dark road ahead of them.Delighted for Tadhg Kennelly!
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2009, 10:49:01 AM
Counihan getting an awful doing down in Cork already I'm told. A lot of Cork fans want him out. I thought he'd done a decent job!
In hindsight not starting Cadogan might have been a mistake. But I questioned the merit of starting a guy with no experience on Friday- but he's looks a hell of a good player. Much better than he is at hurling. Shields on Walsh probably wasn't ideal either .
But the main reason Cork lost was because too many players didn't show up. Can't blame the manager for that. Well neutrals won't anyway.
This could be the start of something
new !!! ;)
Seriously though, I was talking to a good friend of mine from Cork and he said that Carey wasn't playing and that he was hoping that Cadogan would start - he said if O'Connor plays then Cork can forget about it ! O'Connor took a terrible pasting. Cadogan looks the business.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 21, 2009, 11:37:22 AM
Nothing to heart, I just think that this 'bogey team' tag is inaccurate and misrepresentative. Lazy journalism at its worst ;)
Nothing underhand meant there Fear, although I'm interested in your bogey team definition. I doubt it is defined that scientifically anywhere. Just to be clear, I did include the alternative phrases afterwards. I consider Tyrone an excellent team, who have proven that by winning All Irelands.
By bogey team or whatever, I mean they match up well against Kerry and have the results to prove it. They are a bogey team from Kerry's viewpoint but they are a fine, fine team on their own merits.
Thank god the end of one of the worst championships in living memory. Congrats Kerry you are the cream of the crap. I genuinely think that while the GAA cannot pull of the Dublin at all costs all ireland, they will settle for second best. In the meantime everyone else has to put Kerry knavery on the field being glossed over by the ref and rte pundits. Open your eyes everyone.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 21, 2009, 11:02:16 AM
Very very much like Tyrone last year. Cut it extremely fine in several games, used Dublin as a booster into higher orbit and played possibly a better team in the final, but one who doesn't play their best against that opposition.
I'd very much agree with that analysis.
Well done to Kerry, they played the best football when it mattered - Cork didn't.
No worries AZ, get your drift.
Why are Kerry refusing to play in the goal charity game? The organiser doesnt sound that impressed. Seems a bit strange.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 19, 2009, 08:32:21 AM
Laim Hayes is the man to go by tomoro morning... whoever he tips, put the house on the other side
...'Cork can win, should win, and will win...' yip... Liam comes up, trump again :o
Congrats Kerry on a superb performance - the best that I have seen them put together. Sam has a worthy home for 2009 and so has Tom, Very poor referee brought Kerry into it though refusing to allow Cork to pull away. JOConnor has very lkittle to learn with the big Tadgh hit on Walsh at the start a classic tactic. Tadgh was the story of this ai final and the least likely to get a straight red after 5 seconds. All that dosent matter today though Slan Sam tiill nest next year.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 21, 2009, 01:03:40 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 19, 2009, 08:32:21 AM
Laim Hayes is the man to go by tomoro morning... whoever he tips, put the house on the other side
...'Cork can win, should win, and will win...' yip... Liam comes up, trump again :o
I said more or less to me Da after reading Hayes - put the house on Kerry.
Quote from: man in black on September 21, 2009, 12:12:33 PM
Thank god the end of one of the worst championships in living memory. Congrats Kerry you are the cream of the crap. I genuinely think that while the GAA cannot pull of the Dublin at all costs all ireland, they will settle for second best. In the meantime everyone else has to put Kerry knavery on the field being glossed over by the ref and rte pundits. Open your eyes everyone.
Excellent Analysis.
Full congratulations to Kerry on winning their 36th All-Ireland. After a slow start, they came out of nowhere and showed the country that you can never write them off.
Enjoy Sam, but don't forget.... Tyrone will be back ;)
Dont blame them if thats the case - that Guy gets quite mouthy. The wins by Tyrone can now be put into context, they have stopped the greatest kerry team ever 3 times, in time we will all appreciate that.
John O'Shea, a man with Kerry roots himself, was very harsh in his criticism of the Kerry team after last year's AIF. I'd say that definitely has something to do with Kerry not playing a GOAL match.
some very short term comments by your man- these guys do it out of goodness so dont insult them when they are down. If I was Kerry I would have a charity event / game etc for a local charity of their choice which is the way it should be any way and organise one fast before the press slaughters them.
Quote from: botman on September 21, 2009, 01:20:22 PM
Quote from: man in black on September 21, 2009, 12:12:33 PM
Thank god the end of one of the worst championships in living memory. Congrats Kerry you are the cream of the crap. I genuinely think that while the GAA cannot pull of the Dublin at all costs all ireland, they will settle for second best. In the meantime everyone else has to put Kerry knavery on the field being glossed over by the ref and rte pundits. Open your eyes everyone.
Excellent Analysis.
What points do you dispute bogman
Quote from: man in black on September 21, 2009, 03:08:53 PM
Quote from: botman on September 21, 2009, 01:20:22 PM
Quote from: man in black on September 21, 2009, 12:12:33 PM
Thank god the end of one of the worst championships in living memory. Congrats Kerry you are the cream of the crap. I genuinely think that while the GAA cannot pull of the Dublin at all costs all ireland, they will settle for second best. In the meantime everyone else has to put Kerry knavery on the field being glossed over by the ref and rte pundits. Open your eyes everyone.
Excellent Analysis.
What points do you dispute bogman
None - I think you are spot on. I wasn't being sarcastic. If I was i would put in ::) or something of that nature.
I will update my signature to reflect your brilliance forthwith.
It's botman btw the way ;)
Quote from: achtungantrim on September 07, 2009, 01:42:24 PM
hope kerry kick their ass*s. didn't think cynicism could sink as low as the cork tactics versus tyrone. kerry are a shoe-in. get the money on i'm telling you. 6-8 points winning margin for kerry, or i'll eat my trunks!
well, it wasn't quite the 6-8 points, but i was close! when it comes to the big days, kerry have that know-how and skill that no other teams seem to possess. i like tyrone, but i think kerry would have destroyed them yesterday. tyrone haven't the pace they once had. today's game is all about pace. they will need to up their game next year if they are going to do any damage.
i can't see tyrone even winning an ulster. armagh might re-group, derry need to shake themselves. and if antrim developed an inner steel to match their skill and pace, they could do some damage. i hope so anyway. i will make the prediction right here and now. tyrone won't even reach the quarters next year.
Quote from: achtungantrim on September 21, 2009, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: achtungantrim on September 07, 2009, 01:42:24 PM
hope kerry kick their ass*s. didn't think cynicism could sink as low as the cork tactics versus tyrone. kerry are a shoe-in. get the money on i'm telling you. 6-8 points winning margin for kerry, or i'll eat my trunks!
well, it wasn't quite the 6-8 points, but i was close! when it comes to the big days, kerry have that know-how and skill that no other teams seem to possess. i like tyrone, but i think kerry would have destroyed them yesterday. tyrone haven't the pace they once had. today's game is all about pace. they will need to up their game next year if they are going to do any damage.
i can't see tyrone even winning an ulster. armagh might re-group, derry need to shake themselves. and if antrim developed an inner steel to match their skill and pace, they could do some damage. i hope so anyway. i will make the prediction right here and now. tyrone won't eEven more damage than beat Donegal and Cavan?... wow! ven reach the quarters next year.
Even more damage than beat Donegal and Cavan?... wow! :o
Quote from: achtungantrim on September 21, 2009, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: achtungantrim on September 07, 2009, 01:42:24 PM
hope kerry kick their ass*s. didn't think cynicism could sink as low as the cork tactics versus tyrone. kerry are a shoe-in. get the money on i'm telling you. 6-8 points winning margin for kerry, or i'll eat my trunks!
well, it wasn't quite the 6-8 points, but i was close! when it comes to the big days, kerry have that know-how and skill that no other teams seem to possess. i like tyrone, but i think kerry would have destroyed them yesterday. tyrone haven't the pace they once had. today's game is all about pace. they will need to up their game next year if they are going to do any damage.
i can't see tyrone even winning an ulster. armagh might re-group, derry need to shake themselves. and if antrim developed an inner steel to match their skill and pace, they could do some damage. i hope so anyway. i will make the prediction right here and now. tyrone won't even reach the quarters next year.
Thats a sweeping statement to make here and now achgtungantrim ! Dont write off Tyrone just yet. They still have some young talent to come through.
Anyway - back to yesterdays victory - what more can we say? This team have given us years of fantastic days out, especially AI finals - 9 this decade alone. What an achievement. Heros one and all yesterday. I think it was a case again where our boys weren't going to lose an AI final to Cork no matter what. JOC had the game plan perfect. Negate the Cork half back line which Tadgh Kennelly did a great job on Canty although Tadgh had to go off after a superb display because Canty had the legs kicked off him. Darrens superb point from his run down the wing under the Cusack stand should have been disallowed for 2 hops. Eitherway I felt at half time that we weren't going to lose this game as the seeds of doubt were planted in Corks minds late in the first half when we came back from being 5 points down to going 2 ahead. Superb display. Brilliant win again against the old enemy. Congratulations to all the Kerry players and mgt. We really are fortunate to have such great talent at our disposal and thanks for all the great days out.
P.S. the pitch invasion yesterday was how a pitch invasion should be. No big panic. Everybody that wanted to go down onto the pitch did so with little fuss or hassle. The GAA would need to wise up if they are thinking of 'fencing in' the fans from next year on.
Quote from: achtungantrim on September 21, 2009, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: achtungantrim on September 07, 2009, 01:42:24 PM
hope kerry kick their ass*s. didn't think cynicism could sink as low as the cork tactics versus tyrone. kerry are a shoe-in. get the money on i'm telling you. 6-8 points winning margin for kerry, or i'll eat my trunks!
well, it wasn't quite the 6-8 points, but i was close! when it comes to the big days, kerry have that know-how and skill that no other teams seem to possess. i like tyrone, but i think kerry would have destroyed them yesterday. tyrone haven't the pace they once had. today's game is all about pace. they will need to up their game next year if they are going to do any damage.
i can't see tyrone even winning an ulster. armagh might re-group, derry need to shake themselves. and if antrim developed an inner steel to match their skill and pace, they could do some damage. i hope so anyway. i will make the prediction right here and now. tyrone won't even reach the quarters next year.
What was that one about grannys and balls ?
Quote from: orangeman on September 21, 2009, 03:42:56 PM
Quote from: achtungantrim on September 21, 2009, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: achtungantrim on September 07, 2009, 01:42:24 PM
hope kerry kick their ass*s. didn't think cynicism could sink as low as the cork tactics versus tyrone. kerry are a shoe-in. get the money on i'm telling you. 6-8 points winning margin for kerry, or i'll eat my trunks!
well, it wasn't quite the 6-8 points, but i was close! when it comes to the big days, kerry have that know-how and skill that no other teams seem to possess. i like tyrone, but i think kerry would have destroyed them yesterday. tyrone haven't the pace they once had. today's game is all about pace. they will need to up their game next year if they are going to do any damage.
i can't see tyrone even winning an ulster. armagh might re-group, derry need to shake themselves. and if antrim developed an inner steel to match their skill and pace, they could do some damage. i hope so anyway. i will make the prediction right here and now. tyrone won't even reach the quarters next year.
What was that one about grannys and balls ?
Was the answer a hermaphrodite?
well done to kerry! just showed how things might have been different in the semi final if big sean had been on and made canty do a bit of defending. was men against boys in the end. congratulations again!!
Quote from: botman on September 21, 2009, 10:32:38 AM
Quote from: Mack the finger on September 20, 2009, 08:33:19 PM
Took a friend from Australia to the match.
Everytime the big screen flashed, she asked if all Cork people were black!
In fairness your friend sounds kind of silly. Like she could have looked around and saw plenty of people in Cork jersey's who were white. I think around 25,000 Cork people went.
Of course she noticed. She just found it odd that the Cameras seemed determined to pick
out every person in a cork jersey that wasn't white. Guess with a 'worldwide' audience RTE
wanted to show how multicultural we've become.
Quotei can't see tyrone even winning an ulster. armagh might re-group, derry need to shake themselves. and if antrim developed an inner steel to match their skill and pace, they could do some damage. i hope so anyway. i will make the prediction right here and now. tyrone won't even reach the quarters next year.
People said the same in 2004 and 2007. How did that go then???? Idiotic post of the highest order.
Anyhow - the game:
1. Duffy bottled it completely. Kenelly's dirty hit was a stright red, no more, no less, but as Pat Spillane commented - it's hard to get sent off in the first couple of minutes.
2. Cork were a shadow of the team that played Tyrone.
3. Can't argue that this Kerry team deserve thier place among the greats, stats prove it. 5 AI this decade. Well done.
4. Always thought Cork would be in trouble if they got a referee who was a bit more fussy than Bannon. If Tyrone had recieved the same number of (soft) frees Kerry got yesterday....who knows.
5. The way to beat Cork was clear - keep thier half backs, esp Canty up in thier own half of the field and run the sh*t e out of them
Bring on 2010
Quote from: tyroneman on September 21, 2009, 06:35:32 PM
2. Cork were a shadow of the team that played Tyrone.
Absolute bollox. Give Kerry the credit they deserve, they had a game plan, didnt panic when they went 5 points down and dominated the game when they needed to. Kerry were the best team in Ireland when it matters. 5 All Irelands this decade and 36 in all says it all.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 21, 2009, 07:25:52 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on September 21, 2009, 06:35:32 PM
2. Cork were a shadow of the team that played Tyrone.
Absolute bollox. Give Kerry the credit they deserve, they had a game plan, didnt panic when they went 5 points down and dominated the game when they needed to. Kerry were the best team in Ireland when it matters. 5 All Irelands this decade and 36 in all says it all.
You know what I'd suggest that Tyrone were actually the shadow - of the team that they were. The world generally overrated Cork on the basis that they topped Tyrone but realistically Kildare with a bit of composure should have taken Tyrone (and indeed Dublin) - Tyrone were the overrated ones this year and we had a false read on Cork as a consequence
Quote from: tyroneman on September 21, 2009, 06:35:32 PM
Quotei can't see tyrone even winning an ulster. armagh might re-group, derry need to shake themselves. and if antrim developed an inner steel to match their skill and pace, they could do some damage. i hope so anyway. i will make the prediction right here and now. tyrone won't even reach the quarters next year.
People said the same in 2004 and 2007. How did that go then???? Idiotic post of the highest order.
Anyhow - the game:
1. Duffy bottled it completely. Kenelly's dirty hit was a stright red, no more, no less, but as Pat Spillane commented - it's hard to get sent off in the first couple of minutes.
2. Cork were a shadow of the team that played Tyrone.
3. Can't argue that this Kerry team deserve thier place among the greats, stats prove it. 5 AI this decade. Well done.
4. Always thought Cork would be in trouble if they got a referee who was a bit more fussy than Bannon. If Tyrone had recieved the same number of (soft) frees Kerry got yesterday....who knows.
5. The way to beat Cork was clear - keep thier half backs, esp Canty up in thier own half of the field and run the sh*t e out of them
Bring on 2010
Yeah normally a ref will give one or two for jersey pulling etc., seemed to me in real time that he was giving Cooper a very nice amount of protection, but maybe all the frees were deserved, I haven't seen any replays yet. Between yesterday's frees and the penalty in the semi-final (less of a foul BTW than a non penalty call on Eoin Mulligan at the end of the '08 final) Kerry appear to have enjoyed the favor of the Men in Black (except the one on here!), but sometimes you deserve what you get.
This Kerry team however, has shown they have insatiable hunger and they have amassed a vast collection of 5 winners and 3 losers medals to prove it. Their defence played a risky game in attacking the ball courageously, but it paid off for them eventually, they broke a very good amount of ball away from the Cork forwards, the only way to play big, skillful forwards really.
I'm sure Kerry will enjoy Sam as always, hopefully Tyrone will can regroup to regain it next year.
That Kerry team gave me renewed confidence that there's life in the '03 brigade left. The Kerry average age is probably even older than our own. To see the likes of Tomas O'Se and O'Sullivan hare down the turf gives some hope to the over-30s.
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 21, 2009, 03:37:05 PM
P.S. the pitch invasion yesterday was how a pitch invasion should be. No big panic. Everybody that wanted to go down onto the pitch did so with little fuss or hassle. The GAA would need to wise up if they are thinking of 'fencing in' the fans from next year on.
I noticed that too. I don't think I have ever seen the pitch so full of fans after the final. That image plus the ecstatic reactions of the Ky players on the final whistle dismisses the old argument that this was simply another AIF for KY. It is evident that they wanted it big time perhaps even more so than usual given that Cork were the opposition. You got to admire the Ky hunger for success even though it comes to them so often.
Quote from: ONeill on September 21, 2009, 07:46:26 PM
That Kerry team gave me renewed confidence that there's life in the '03 brigade left. The Kerry average age is probably even older than our own. To see the likes of Tomas O'Se and O'Sullivan hare down the turf gives some hope to the over-30s.
Those Kerry boyos put Lazarus in the ha'penny place ... tis the greatest miracle since football began ;)
http://www.irishnews.com/irishnews/597/5764/2009/7/28/623611_388890678322Dubscanp.html
A few months ago, this column caused some civil unrest in the deep south when it dared to suggest that we, as a nation, are hopelessly deluded about Kerry football.
The column was written on the eve of the Championship and it was largely in response to the overwhelming majority of pundits, journalists and ex-players who had selected Kerry as the team most likely to win this year's All-Ireland title.
Against the Breeze argued that these people were just plain wrong. It said these people were still living under the spell of the magical green and gold jersey. It said they were allowing tradition and nostalgia to cloud their judgement.
A few months later and the cognoscenti who were telling us why Kerry were going to win this year's All-Ireland title have dramatically changed their tune. At that time, we were told that Jack was back to conquer Tyrone. His team had just cruised to the National League title and, with his squad bolstered by Tadhg Kennelly and young David Moran, he was perfectly-positioned for September glory.
Now, the same people are telling us that Kerry are in total disarray. It turns out Jack was wrong to go back. His book was a mistake. It rubbed the O Se brothers up the wrong way.
Apparently, Jack has now lost the changing room. We are also being told that the players have too many miles on the legs. They are weary and worn.
Ironically, much of the analysis outlining what is wrong with Kerry is as fundamentally flawed as the articles written to explain why they would win this year's Championship.
For the benefit of those now suffering from selective amnesia, it's necessary to point out that Jack O'Connor was welcomed back with open arms. The players and the public applauded his appointment.
Furthermore, there was no mention of tired legs or mental fatigue when Kerry collected the League title in cruise control.
The real problem facing this Kerry squad centres on its dependence on individuals.
Last year, 'Team Tyrone' beat 15 Kerry players.
The trouble with individuals is that they put themselves first, which is the long way of saying 'indiscipline'.
And indiscipline explains the red card that ruled Paul Galvin out of action for much of last summer.
It explains the three yellow cards that Kerry picked up when they lost their composure before half-time in the All-Ireland final.
And if we delve deeper, there is further evidence to demonstrate why Tyrone's collective emerged triumphant.
Last year's final essentially turned at the start of the second half. Darragh O Se, who was imperious in the first period, found himself standing beside a fresh-legged and determined Kevin Hughes for the second throw-in.
Darragh had just completed 35 minutes of hard graft. Kevin was pawing at the ground. Tyrone's goal came when Hughes came bounding through the centre of the pitch and took a pass from Stephen O'Neill. Darragh hadn't the legs to keep up with his younger, fitter rival.
Watch a replay of last year's All-Ireland final and witness the number of times Darragh is chasing back, valiantly trying to catch a player that is leaving him for dead.
Jack O'Connor will have watched last year's final on countless occasions. Darragh's performance was not lost on him. At the start of the year, he set out to establish a new midfield partnership.
Anthony Maher, Michael Quirke and David Moran were all given ample game time in the League, but they were exposed against Cork in the Championship.
This meant O'Connor had to go back to Darragh. Of course, there is no doubt that Darragh O Se can make a huge contribution, but last year's All-Ireland final provides clear evidence that his ageing limbs can be exposed over the course of 70 minutes.
The obvious solution is to keep Darragh in cold storage, then introduce him at half-time for the crucial phase of the game.
But, by all accounts, Darragh doesn't like these new-fangled notions. He wants the number eight on his back and he wants to start.
Now, consider the contrast with Tyrone, where everyone submits obediently to the gameplan. The collective comes first.
Both Kevin Hughes and Brian McGuigan wanted to start last year's final. But Mickey Harte believed they could make a more telling impact as substitutes.
A fit Hughes could run the legs off a tiring Darragh O Se. McGuigan could provide composure and intelligence during a frenetic finish.
Like the rest of the Tyrone squad, Hughes and McGuigan learned a long time ago to accept the wisdom of the man who manages them.
A different dynamic exists in Kerry. The players hold more sway because they've won All-Ireland titles under three different managers.
Kerry's success over the last decade has stemmed from brilliant individuals with big, powerful, resilient egos. But the cause of that strength is now their greatest weakness.
Jack O'Connor is now trying to wrest that control from the players.
His decision to drop Tomas O Se and Colm Cooper for drinking before a round four Qualifier would appear unavoidable to anyone with the faintest knowledge of management.
Yet, the reaction in Kerry to O'Connor's decision neatly demonstrates their current subservience to the talented individual rather than the team.
The real crisis for Kerry would be if two players could escape punishment for such a breach of discipline.
The fact that Jack O'Connor could make that call, and Kerry's radically improved conduct on the pitch provides evidence that he has more authority over his changing room than he is currently being given credit for.
But, O'Connor is fighting an uphill battle.
Whereas Mike Frank Russell and Eoin Brosnan recently quit his squad, the absolute unity and dedication that Jack needs can be found in the changing room of his next opponents. Dublin's Ciaran Whelan, Bryan Cullen and Shane Ryan have all been prepared to sit on the bench.
Nevertheless, Kerry's grip on the public imagination is still incredibly strong. For all their failings and fall-outs, it's amazing how few can identify the symptoms of a dying team.
There is a nationwide inability to dismiss Kerry. Despite the evidence presented in recent games, there are many who still insist that 'you write Kerry off at your peril'.
What cautious drivel! Against Longford, Sligo and Antrim, we witnessed a once fine team in the death throes. Proud, strong and noble, it's fitting that Kerry are gasping for every last lungful of air.
It's a relief they weren't beaten in the Qualifiers. These players deserved a better send-off than to be laid to rest in a remote outpost in the midlands.
Better for them to return to the capital, and Croke Park, the ground they consider home, and the place where this Kerry team will receive their last rites.
I think that column is from before the Antrim game. Paddy was hoping Kerry would get over Antrim, get back up to Croker and receive the 'burial' they deserve. Guess the hearse will have to wait another year Paddy.
;D has that lad written an article since?
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 21, 2009, 07:25:52 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on September 21, 2009, 06:35:32 PM
2. Cork were a shadow of the team that played Tyrone.
Absolute bollox. Give Kerry the credit they deserve, they had a game plan, didnt panic when they went 5 points down and dominated the game when they needed to. Kerry were the best team in Ireland when it matters. 5 All Irelands this decade and 36 in all says it all.
Seems to be only Tyrone and Armagh in '02 will get stuck into Kerry. Cork were a disgrace yesterday, in awe of the Kerry jersey the same way as Mayo in finals. No physical hits at all.. totally bottled. Kery's record is phenomenal...no disputing that. You have to hand it to them... sadly yesterday Cork did.... rebels ::)
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 21, 2009, 11:07:01 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 21, 2009, 07:25:52 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on September 21, 2009, 06:35:32 PM
2. Cork were a shadow of the team that played Tyrone.
Absolute bollox. Give Kerry the credit they deserve, they had a game plan, didnt panic when they went 5 points down and dominated the game when they needed to. Kerry were the best team in Ireland when it matters. 5 All Irelands this decade and 36 in all says it all.
Seems to be only Tyrone and Armagh in '02 will get stuck into Kerry. Cork were a disgrace yesterday, in awe of the Kerry jersey the same way as Mayo in finals. No physical hits at all.. totally bottled. Kery's record is phenomenal...no disputing that. You have to hand it to them... sadly yesterday Cork did.... rebels ::)
A lot of young players on that Cork team lads. As much as it pains me to say it- they will win the big one sooner rather than later. They've lads like Ciaran Sheehan and David Gould to come into that team yet. I remember a lot of the current tyrone team losing to feckin Sligo for Gods sake before they won the big one.
A serious amount of bullshit being spoken here as if this is the end for this Cork team. Anyone here want to tell me Colm O Neill and Daniel Goulding will never land the big one.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2009, 11:12:38 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 21, 2009, 11:07:01 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 21, 2009, 07:25:52 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on September 21, 2009, 06:35:32 PM
2. Cork were a shadow of the team that played Tyrone.
Absolute bollox. Give Kerry the credit they deserve, they had a game plan, didnt panic when they went 5 points down and dominated the game when they needed to. Kerry were the best team in Ireland when it matters. 5 All Irelands this decade and 36 in all says it all.
Seems to be only Tyrone and Armagh in '02 will get stuck into Kerry. Cork were a disgrace yesterday, in awe of the Kerry jersey the same way as Mayo in finals. No physical hits at all.. totally bottled. Kery's record is phenomenal...no disputing that. You have to hand it to them... sadly yesterday Cork did.... rebels ::)
A lot of young players on that Cork team lads. As much as it pains me to say it- they will win the big one sooner rather than later. They've lads like Ciaran Sheehan and David Gould to come into that team yet. I remember a lot of the current tyrone team losing to feckin Sligo for Gods sake before they won the big one.
A serious amount of bullshit being spoken here as if this is the end for this Cork team. Anyone here want to tell me Colm O Neill and Daniel Goulding will never land the big one.
not saying it is the end of the Cork team or that they are no good. They destroyed Tyrone but yesterday totally bottled it. Realised after 10 minutes or so, 'Jees! this is Kery in an All Ireland final in Croke park-we can't win this.' Yet in Munster they get stuck into them and have no inhibitions. Yesterday was pitiful. They are much better than that yesterday but... bottled it ala Mayo
Have to agree with fox here - cork were very disappointing and did indeed bottle it! They tore into kerry for the first 6/7 mins went a few points up then completely bottled it! Kerry tagged on a few scores and cork psychologically were beaten by the 30th min! They had thrown their best shot at Kerry and found themselves 3 points down and didnt know what to do from there on in! A poor final overall which reflected what was a pretty disappointing championship!
Read this over on AFR:
Just heard that a man rang in to Radio Kerry a short time ago and told the following story...
He stayed in his seat in the cusack stand yesterday for the presentation of Sam and waited until the crowd left the pitch, he was one of the last to be in the stadium when a group of stewards emerged from under the hogan with the cup in tow.
With them were two people not in steward bibs. They went up to the presentation area and put the sam in the place it resides during the game. One of the two 'non stewards' then re-enacted recieving the cup, lifting it a few times over his head. He did this 3 times and the stewards gave a big roar each time...
Intrigued the guy in the stand crossed the pitch to see who the 2 were.
It turned out that it was Mick O'Connell and the person who was lifting Sam was his son Diarmuid, who has Down's syndrome. It is 50 years ago that the great Micko lifted the same cup as captain in 1959.
Great heartwarming story. The stewards at Croke Park might have received some criticism after the hurling final for the actions of a small minority but fair play to the lads that facilitated this. Makes you truly proud of our organisation when you hear stuff like this.
To say Cork 'bottled it' is a very simplistic analysis in my eyes. It also implies that Cork were the better team, which in hindsight they were not.
Cork lost yesterday because too many of their forwards were outplayed by their markers. Cork had enough possession and enough forays into the Kerry defence to do damage, but they seemed clueless once they got past the Kerry 45. Time and time again they took shots that weren't on or hit passes just to get rid of the ball. Goulding, O'Neill and to a lesser extent O'Connor couldn't win enough primary possession and Cork had no plan B. They should've brought Cussen in much earlier, at the very least he would've made a bit more hay out of all the high 50/50 balls that were pumped in. Then when he was brought in, he was put in the middle. No sense there at all.
Cork have enough young players to be a major force for the forseeable future, it'd be idiotic to write them off after yesterday.
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Quote from: tyroneman on September 21, 2009, 06:35:32 PM
2. Cork were a shadow of the team that played Tyrone.
Absolute bollox. Give Kerry the credit they deserve, they had a game plan, didnt panic when they went 5 points down and dominated the game when they needed to. Kerry were the best team in Ireland when it matters. 5 All Irelands this decade and 36 in all says it all.
Seems to be only Tyrone and Armagh in '02 will get stuck into Kerry. Cork were a disgrace yesterday, in awe of the Kerry jersey the same way as Mayo in finals. No physical hits at all.. totally bottled. Kery's record is phenomenal...no disputing that. You have to hand it to them... sadly yesterday Cork did.... rebels ::)
A lot of young players on that Cork team lads. As much as it pains me to say it- they will win the big one sooner rather than later. They've lads like Ciaran Sheehan and David Gould to come into that team yet. I remember a lot of the current tyrone team losing to feckin Sligo for Gods sake before they won the big one.
A serious amount of bullshit being spoken here as if this is the end for this Cork team. Anyone here want to tell me Colm O Neill and Daniel Goulding will never land the big one.
not saying it is the end of the Cork team or that they are no good. They destroyed Tyrone but yesterday totally bottled it. Realised after 10 minutes or so, 'Jees! this is Kery in an All Ireland final in Croke park-we can't win this.' Yet in Munster they get stuck into them and have no inhibitions. Yesterday was pitiful. They are much better than that yesterday but... bottled it ala Mayo
I usually would agree with you Fox but this bottling stuff is just too easy. Not every county plays the game the same way. You have to admit that it took Tyrone a long time to learn how to win AIs. But ye did and developed a game that had the beating of Kerry and they could nt cope with it. Cork have hardened up their act and bottled nothing yesterday. They were out of the blocks yesterday and gave themselves a chance but they re still several players short of Kerry in September - ability not bottle was their downfall.
Dara Ó Cinnéde said yesterday that Kerry were reckless and off-the -cuff as late as 04 ( I would say 05 as well). But as early as 04 they had learned the September peak ( thanks to their excellent trainer Pat Flanagan). Kerry were obviously off the pace in Munster this year. Sunday was more to do with their improvement than Cork s bottle. Kerry were nt fit 3 month s ago and there was no Mick McCarty (my player of the year for the games he played) and Kennelly was only finding his way.As I ve said for September football Cork still shy a good few players and with their best the oldest .......
As for Mayo and bottle it s much the same story. Only the conveyor belt of players, who have natural ability, keeps Mayo going. That the players are label bottlers is cruel. They have never had the nurturing that this generation of Tyrone players have had. The conditioning and coaching in the Mayo senior set up is medieval compared to Tyrone and Kerry. Compared to Flanagans fitness programe Mayo s is a joke. If Dara thinks Kerry were reckless in 94 we were negligent then and since have regressed to pre 96. We have decent players but under the circumstances have nt a hope. And next year will be no better. Perversely because we lost All Irelands Mayo folk now seem to be grateful for Johnno making sure we dont 'bottle it' again in September. We have no reason to be uneasy. We re lightyears away from a September appearance at Senior under this Junta. Last 2 years at minor have shown what we can do when properly set up. We conceded less than 9 points a game in this years minor championship. We used to conceded that in the first 10 minutes of last couple AI s and a few Championship matches to Galway, all down to poor preparation and fanciful selection. We did nt win minor last years but neither were bottled.
Whilst 'bottling it' might be too simplistic of an overall analysis, there is but no doubt that Cork threw the towel in psychologically on Sunday, and probably before half-time. Witness the sluggish half-yards, the growing number of wides, the mounting unforced errors, and the general and palpable seeping away of Cork self-belief as the game wore on.
It could be argued to be sure that it was more Kerry's application than Cork's abdication (and taking nothing away from Kerry), but that doesn't explain fully why Cork were failing in the basics with 15 men where they excelled in those same basics against ourselves with 14; Unforced errors are unforced.
Same old same old for Cork: Kerry in Croke and the script was already written.
The bottling theory is just lazy analysis. Did Tyrone bottle it against cork? Did Tyrone bottle it against Laois in 2006? Did Tyrone bottle it against Sligo in 2002? Just beaten by a better team. Same as Cork on Sunday.
Its so easy to assess why Cork lost on Sunday. Tactically they were beaten all ends up. Kerry completely snuffed out their key players through better tactical appreciation. Look at how deep Galvin was for example, where Scanlon played. Did either Mike Mc Carthy or Darren O Sullivan play the ball more than 3/4 times between them ? No- because they were doing a specific job.
Cork simply went out and played the same way as they did against Tyrone and Kerry had a plan for that. Cork had no Plan B . thats why they lost on Sunday. Kerry had a plan A. B and probably C.
Counihan will learn from this.
Cork didnt bottle it . Their shooting has been a recurrent problem .
They got elevated to higher status than they were worthy of by beating a burnt out Tyrone team without their best player,
a feckless Donegal outfit and an unfit Kerry.
Beating Tyrone was biggest part of it ....personally I think Tyrone just got way with it last year ...that team didnt have the overall ability
of the 03 and 05 teams. Kerry should probably have won 4 in a row on Sunday. Had Sean Cavanagh been missing for final last year Kerry would
now be lauded as the best ever.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2009, 11:07:49 AM
The bottling theory is just lazy analysis. Did Tyrone bottle it against cork? Did Tyrone bottle it against Laois in 2006? Did Tyrone bottle it against Sligo in 2002? Just beaten by a better team. Same as Cork on Sunday.
That's not a great piece of analysis there either in fairness: we didn't make half the chances against Cork as they missed against Kerry, we weren't going great in 2006 and just didn't have it. Against Sligo, well, I would say that we actually did bottle it: we threw in the towel long before the end of that game when Sligo turned up the heat.
Despite the best of Kerry's efforts, Cork still had made many chances to convert very scorable opportunities, chances they were burying against ourselves, and once they'd found themselves iin those positions Kerry's tactics were neither here nor there, it was all upstairs.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 22, 2009, 11:15:20 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2009, 11:07:49 AM
The bottling theory is just lazy analysis. Did Tyrone bottle it against cork? Did Tyrone bottle it against Laois in 2006? Did Tyrone bottle it against Sligo in 2002? Just beaten by a better team. Same as Cork on Sunday.
That's not a great piece of analysis there either in fairness: we didn't make half the chances against Cork as they missed against Kerry, we weren't going great in 2006 and just didn't have it. Against Sligo, well, I would say that we actually did bottle it: we threw in the towel long before the end of that game when Sligo turned up the heat.
Despite the best of Kerry's efforts, Cork still had made many chances to convert very scorable opportunities, chances they were burying against ourselves, and once they'd found themselves iin those positions Kerry's tactics were neither here nor there, it was all upstairs.
But the mistake most people are making that these shots were all from the 21 yard line. A lot of them were kicked passes straight over the endline- ie poor passes. Others like Kerrigans were the result of 50 yard pot shots under pressure because he had no other options. Just watch the kerry swarm defence in the 2nd half just between the 45 and the d. Cork were under huge pressure taking those shots.
Granted a few scoreable frees were missed but most of the other chances were directly because kerry putting severe pressure on the shooter with 2/3 men tackling him.
OK Kingdom folk, Paddy Heaney in today's Irish News, read it and... wet yourselves with laughter ;) And the Armagh wans will want him beatified...
Familiar hands on Sam should satisfy lovers of tradition
Against the Breeze
"There is a nationwide inability to dismiss Kerry. Despite the evidence presented in recent games, there are many who insist that 'You write Kerry off at your peril'. What cautious drivel!"
Against The Breeze, July 28 2009
WHAT drivel indeed! Regular readers might remember that the quotation above is taken from a column which explained why Kerry would not win this year's All-Ireland title. Suffice to say it was a slightly inaccurate prediction and I'll gladly accept that my assessment was somewhat wayward.
I'm not going to offer any defence other than to say that when reading the column again yesterday morning, I detected the sound of a sports reporter betrayed, a fan who had been jilted. The cruel irony of this unfortunate affair is that there is no greater admirer of this group of Kerry footballers than yours truly. There is written proof to back up this claim.
In 2005 and 2008, I dismayed many Tyrone fans when tipping Kerry to beat their team in the All-Ireland final. My rationale was always pretty basic. I simply believed Kerry had better footballers. Tomas O Se, Darragh O Se, Declan O'Sullivan, Colm Cooper, Tommy Walsh and Kieran Donaghy. I couldn't look past them.
On each occasion, however, Tyrone underlined the importance of teamwork and tactics. Of course, the Red Hands had their own share of quality footballers, but their cohesion and collective craft was the key difference.
After last year's All-Ireland final, I started to lose faith in Kerry. That faith was jolted again when Cork dismissed them in Munster. It lost further ground when I watched television coverage of the Qualifier games against Longford and Sligo. And it evaporated completely when I travelled to Tullamore and saw them struggle to beat an Antrim side that started the season in Division Four.
Hence the madness of July 28. I concluded that particular column by informing readers that Kerry would receive their last rites in Croke Park before the year was out.
This prophecy was one of the reasons why I was supporting Cork to the hilt on Sunday. By the same token, it would be false to suggest that I had any huge attachment to Conor Counihan's side. Truth be told, it would be more accurate to state that I just wanted Kerry to lose. It was partly due to ego and pride. It was partly because they'd won the thing 35 times already and they didn't need to win again.
I don't think this is a particularly remarkable admission, yet like-minded individuals would be amazing to discover the attitude that exists among the general populace.
Irishmen and Irishwomen appear to love the status quo. It doesn't annoy them to see Kerry back on top. In fact, if pushed, this conservative majority would probably admit that they like to see the Kingdom succeed. They find it quietly reassuring to see the green and gold in the Hogan Stand on the third Sunday in September. It must restore their belief that there is actually a natural order to the universe. There can be booms and recessions, taoisigh and tribunals, storms and sunny days, but if Kerry are winning All-Irelands then it proves there are some laws of the cosmos that cannot be violated.
This contentment in Kerry's success extends to the Irish sports writing fraternity. Journalists, by nature and definition, are supposed to be anti-establishment.
Yet it's amazing the satisfaction many hacks derive from a Kerry triumph. Make no mistake, many of them love to see a county make the breakthrough, and this was evident when Ulster teams like Armagh and Tyrone enjoyed maiden victories in 2002 and 2003. But this support for the little man quickly dries up when he threatens to seize the crown. (Note the bitterness and nit-picking following Tyrone's victory last year). In this respect, sports reporters merely reflect the broad body of opinion in the country as a whole.
It's quite unbelievable how many southerners... and northerners support Kerry in All-Ireland finals. And maybe it's this love of the familiar, and reverence for the ancient powers which explains why tradition counts for so much in the GAA.
In no other sport, can the history of a parish and place hold such store. The very colour of a jersey is often worth six points. The importance we place on the past unquestionably affects the psychology of our footballers and, for this reason, overcoming the establishment is without doubt the greatest obstacle facing any club or county.
This is why the 'team of the decade' debate has become too boring. Kerry have won five titles. Big deal. Kerry win All-Irelands. That is what they do. It's like praising Russia for producing chess champions.
Tyrone deserve a certain amount of credit. They finally stood up and fought the tide in 2003. But the longer I study Tyrone, the less impressive their record becomes.
It's a huge county with the eighth highest population in the land. For many decades Tyrone has had a thriving GAA culture. And unlike many of its northern counterparts, its towns are alive with strong clubs. Equally significantly, the O'Neill men have little truck with hurling.
Given its population, its devotion to football, its culture, and its massive resources, Tyrone should be the Kerry of the north. Yet, they've just three All-Ireland senior titles. It's a paltry return.
But study the past decade closely and one tribe of gaels emerges as true revolutionaries. This is a small county that dared to trample over tradition and trends. Its footballers have proved themselves in every competition where the blue bloods are accustomed to getting their own way.
So take a bow Armagh. All-Ireland senior champions in 2002, All-Ireland U21 champions in 2004, and All-Ireland minor champions in 2009. The triple crown. And let's not forget the National League title in 2005 and those six Ulster senior titles.
Considering the nature of the GAA, an organisation where the rich get rich and the poor get knocked out in the opening seconds, that's some haul of trophies for a county that was on the dole.
So please let's forget all this talk about Kerry and Tyrone. Who cares? What do their exploits really matter to those of us from the blue-collar counties?
When it comes to truly inspirational champions, we should take our cue from Armagh, the county of the decade.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 22, 2009, 11:35:20 AM
OK Kingdom folk, Paddy Heaney in today's Irish News, read it and... wet yourselves with laughter ;) And the Armagh wans will want him beatified...
Familiar hands on Sam should satisfy lovers of tradition
Against the Breeze
"There is a nationwide inability to dismiss Kerry. Despite the evidence presented in recent games, there are many who insist that 'You write Kerry off at your peril'. What cautious drivel!"
Against The Breeze, July 28 2009
WHAT drivel indeed! Regular readers might remember that the quotation above is taken from a column which explained why Kerry would not win this year's All-Ireland title. Suffice to say it was a slightly inaccurate prediction and I'll gladly accept that my assessment was somewhat wayward.
I'm not going to offer any defence other than to say that when reading the column again yesterday morning, I detected the sound of a sports reporter betrayed, a fan who had been jilted. The cruel irony of this unfortunate affair is that there is no greater admirer of this group of Kerry footballers than yours truly. There is written proof to back up this claim.
In 2005 and 2008, I dismayed many Tyrone fans when tipping Kerry to beat their team in the All-Ireland final. My rationale was always pretty basic. I simply believed Kerry had better footballers. Tomas O Se, Darragh O Se, Declan O'Sullivan, Colm Cooper, Tommy Walsh and Kieran Donaghy. I couldn't look past them.
On each occasion, however, Tyrone underlined the importance of teamwork and tactics. Of course, the Red Hands had their own share of quality footballers, but their cohesion and collective craft was the key difference.
After last year's All-Ireland final, I started to lose faith in Kerry. That faith was jolted again when Cork dismissed them in Munster. It lost further ground when I watched television coverage of the Qualifier games against Longford and Sligo. And it evaporated completely when I travelled to Tullamore and saw them struggle to beat an Antrim side that started the season in Division Four.
Hence the madness of July 28. I concluded that particular column by informing readers that Kerry would receive their last rites in Croke Park before the year was out.
This prophecy was one of the reasons why I was supporting Cork to the hilt on Sunday. By the same token, it would be false to suggest that I had any huge attachment to Conor Counihan's side. Truth be told, it would be more accurate to state that I just wanted Kerry to lose. It was partly due to ego and pride. It was partly because they'd won the thing 35 times already and they didn't need to win again.
I don't think this is a particularly remarkable admission, yet like-minded individuals would be amazing to discover the attitude that exists among the general populace.
Irishmen and Irishwomen appear to love the status quo. It doesn't annoy them to see Kerry back on top. In fact, if pushed, this conservative majority would probably admit that they like to see the Kingdom succeed. They find it quietly reassuring to see the green and gold in the Hogan Stand on the third Sunday in September. It must restore their belief that there is actually a natural order to the universe. There can be booms and recessions, taoisigh and tribunals, storms and sunny days, but if Kerry are winning All-Irelands then it proves there are some laws of the cosmos that cannot be violated.
This contentment in Kerry's success extends to the Irish sports writing fraternity. Journalists, by nature and definition, are supposed to be anti-establishment.
Yet it's amazing the satisfaction many hacks derive from a Kerry triumph. Make no mistake, many of them love to see a county make the breakthrough, and this was evident when Ulster teams like Armagh and Tyrone enjoyed maiden victories in 2002 and 2003. But this support for the little man quickly dries up when he threatens to seize the crown. (Note the bitterness and nit-picking following Tyrone's victory last year). In this respect, sports reporters merely reflect the broad body of opinion in the country as a whole.
It's quite unbelievable how many southerners... and northerners support Kerry in All-Ireland finals. And maybe it's this love of the familiar, and reverence for the ancient powers which explains why tradition counts for so much in the GAA.
In no other sport, can the history of a parish and place hold such store. The very colour of a jersey is often worth six points. The importance we place on the past unquestionably affects the psychology of our footballers and, for this reason, overcoming the establishment is without doubt the greatest obstacle facing any club or county.
This is why the 'team of the decade' debate has become too boring. Kerry have won five titles. Big deal. Kerry win All-Irelands. That is what they do. It's like praising Russia for producing chess champions.
Tyrone deserve a certain amount of credit. They finally stood up and fought the tide in 2003. But the longer I study Tyrone, the less impressive their record becomes.
It's a huge county with the eighth highest population in the land. For many decades Tyrone has had a thriving GAA culture. And unlike many of its northern counterparts, its towns are alive with strong clubs. Equally significantly, the O'Neill men have little truck with hurling.
Given its population, its devotion to football, its culture, and its massive resources, Tyrone should be the Kerry of the north. Yet, they've just three All-Ireland senior titles. It's a paltry return.
But study the past decade closely and one tribe of gaels emerges as true revolutionaries. This is a small county that dared to trample over tradition and trends. Its footballers have proved themselves in every competition where the blue bloods are accustomed to getting their own way.
So take a bow Armagh. All-Ireland senior champions in 2002, All-Ireland U21 champions in 2004, and All-Ireland minor champions in 2009. The triple crown. And let's not forget the National League title in 2005 and those six Ulster senior titles.
Considering the nature of the GAA, an organisation where the rich get rich and the poor get knocked out in the opening seconds, that's some haul of trophies for a county that was on the dole.
So please let's forget all this talk about Kerry and Tyrone. Who cares? What do their exploits really matter to those of us from the blue-collar counties?
When it comes to truly inspirational champions, we should take our cue from Armagh, the county of the decade.
Not so sure about that bit in bold. The likes of Strabane and Dungannon are really struggling. Omagh doing better but for its size should be better. There's 2 clubs in Armagh city still left in senior championship and a number of clubs in Lurgan area. He talks some crap.
So it's Armagh win "Team of the Decade" then?
After all sure Kerry and Tyrone only won the last 7 All Irelands which pales in comparison to 6 Ulster Titles. ::)
Paddy ...hole..diggin ...stop
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2009, 11:21:53 AM
But the mistake most people are making that these shots were all from the 21 yard line. A lot of them were kicked passes straight over the endline- ie poor passes. Others like Kerrigans were the result of 50 yard pot shots under pressure because he had no other options. Just watch the kerry swarm defence in the 2nd half just between the 45 and the d. Cork were under huge pressure taking those shots.
Granted a few scoreable frees were missed but most of the other chances were directly because kerry putting severe pressure on the shooter with 2/3 men tackling him.
Not necessarily, I remember thinking at the time in real-time on at least half a dozen occasions that they weren't missing those up to that, and only 4 points separated them in the end.
True, Kerry were applying pressure, but nonetheless, on those specific occasions it was more a Cork failing than a Kerry strength. I'd need to have a look at it again though.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 22, 2009, 11:52:54 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2009, 11:21:53 AM
But the mistake most people are making that these shots were all from the 21 yard line. A lot of them were kicked passes straight over the endline- ie poor passes. Others like Kerrigans were the result of 50 yard pot shots under pressure because he had no other options. Just watch the kerry swarm defence in the 2nd half just between the 45 and the d. Cork were under huge pressure taking those shots.
Granted a few scoreable frees were missed but most of the other chances were directly because kerry putting severe pressure on the shooter with 2/3 men tackling him.
Not necessarily, I remember thinking at the time in real-time on at least half a dozen occasions that they weren't missing those up to that, and only 4 points separated them in the end.
True, Kerry were applying pressure, but nonetheless, on those specific occasions it was more a Cork failing than a Kerry strength. I'd need to have a look at it again though.
I think you should. Kerrigan had 2 pot shots that weren't chances at all. A number of balls were kicked straight over the end line. Masters had one he should have scored and so should O Connor off his left and obviously the 2/3 frees. But the cork ff line couldn't hold onto the ball so you can't blame cork in the 2nd half for trying to run through kerry. Kikcking it in to the ff line was just handing posession away.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2009, 12:15:52 PMKikcking it in to the ff line was just handing posession away.
Exactly, and if they'd been thinking clearer they would have desisted from that fruitless avenue, and why was their thinking so muddled?
So Masters, O'Connor and 3 scorable frees: those weren't missed because of Kerry, those were missed because of Cork.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 22, 2009, 11:15:20 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2009, 11:07:49 AM
The bottling theory is just lazy analysis. Did Tyrone bottle it against cork? Did Tyrone bottle it against Laois in 2006? Did Tyrone bottle it against Sligo in 2002? Just beaten by a better team. Same as Cork on Sunday.
That's not a great piece of analysis there either in fairness: we didn't make half the chances against Cork as they missed against Kerry, we weren't going great in 2006 and just didn't have it. Against Sligo, well, I would say that we actually did bottle it: we threw in the towel long before the end of that game when Sligo turned up the heat.
Despite the best of Kerry's efforts, Cork still had made many chances to convert very scorable opportunities, chances they were burying against ourselves, and once they'd found themselves iin those positions Kerry's tactics were neither here nor there, it was all upstairs.
Have to agree with fear there. Tyrone
did bottle it against Sligo. They had better players and in the opening 20 minutes were blowing Sligo off the park. When Sligo came back and offered some resistance Tyrone just folded like a wet paper bag. Tyrone had a history of bottling it in big games in Croker at that stage and that team did not have the mental toughness required. Mickey Harte added that crucial element to Tyrone. They didnt bottle it in 2006, they were just missing so many key men and lost to a better team on the day. Dont think they bottled it this year either, they just turned in an unusually flat performance and didnt get away with it against a very talented and motivated team.
Cork are an excellent team but sadly they didnt seem to believe in themselves on Sunday, when the game started to slip away they did not keep their heads. Kerry on the other hand did not panic despite their slow start and clearly believed they had it in them to reel Cork back in. So much in sport is mental and Sunday, and indeed the closing 20 minutes of the 2008 final, showed that very clearly.
Pretty mediocre match on Sunday to end a pretty mediocre championship but the most deserving team always comes through in the end and congratulations to Kerry.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 21, 2009, 03:31:21 PM
Quote from: achtungantrim on September 21, 2009, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: achtungantrim on September 07, 2009, 01:42:24 PM
hope kerry kick their ass*s. didn't think cynicism could sink as low as the cork tactics versus tyrone. kerry are a shoe-in. get the money on i'm telling you. 6-8 points winning margin for kerry, or i'll eat my trunks!
well, it wasn't quite the 6-8 points, but i was close! when it comes to the big days, kerry have that know-how and skill that no other teams seem to possess. i like tyrone, but i think kerry would have destroyed them yesterday. tyrone haven't the pace they once had. today's game is all about pace. they will need to up their game next year if they are going to do any damage.
i can't see tyrone even winning an ulster. armagh might re-group, derry need to shake themselves. and if antrim developed an inner steel to match their skill and pace, they could do some damage. i hope so anyway. i will make the prediction right here and now. tyrone won't eEven more damage than beat Donegal and Cavan?... wow! ven reach the quarters next year.
Even more damage than beat Donegal and Cavan?... wow! :o
we were only beaten by 1 point more than cork were by the all ireland champions. ;). and i was talking about the ulstr championship, the final of which we reached last year. by doing "damage" i meant knocking out one of the so-called big teams.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on September 22, 2009, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 22, 2009, 11:35:20 AM
OK Kingdom folk, Paddy Heaney in today's Irish News, read it and... wet yourselves with laughter ;) And the Armagh wans will want him beatified...
Familiar hands on Sam should satisfy lovers of tradition
Against the Breeze
"There is a nationwide inability to dismiss Kerry. Despite the evidence presented in recent games, there are many who insist that 'You write Kerry off at your peril'. What cautious drivel!"
Against The Breeze, July 28 2009
WHAT drivel indeed! Regular readers might remember that the quotation above is taken from a column which explained why Kerry would not win this year's All-Ireland title. Suffice to say it was a slightly inaccurate prediction and I'll gladly accept that my assessment was somewhat wayward.
I'm not going to offer any defence other than to say that when reading the column again yesterday morning, I detected the sound of a sports reporter betrayed, a fan who had been jilted. The cruel irony of this unfortunate affair is that there is no greater admirer of this group of Kerry footballers than yours truly. There is written proof to back up this claim.
In 2005 and 2008, I dismayed many Tyrone fans when tipping Kerry to beat their team in the All-Ireland final. My rationale was always pretty basic. I simply believed Kerry had better footballers. Tomas O Se, Darragh O Se, Declan O'Sullivan, Colm Cooper, Tommy Walsh and Kieran Donaghy. I couldn't look past them.
On each occasion, however, Tyrone underlined the importance of teamwork and tactics. Of course, the Red Hands had their own share of quality footballers, but their cohesion and collective craft was the key difference.
After last year's All-Ireland final, I started to lose faith in Kerry. That faith was jolted again when Cork dismissed them in Munster. It lost further ground when I watched television coverage of the Qualifier games against Longford and Sligo. And it evaporated completely when I travelled to Tullamore and saw them struggle to beat an Antrim side that started the season in Division Four.
Hence the madness of July 28. I concluded that particular column by informing readers that Kerry would receive their last rites in Croke Park before the year was out.
This prophecy was one of the reasons why I was supporting Cork to the hilt on Sunday. By the same token, it would be false to suggest that I had any huge attachment to Conor Counihan's side. Truth be told, it would be more accurate to state that I just wanted Kerry to lose. It was partly due to ego and pride. It was partly because they'd won the thing 35 times already and they didn't need to win again.
I don't think this is a particularly remarkable admission, yet like-minded individuals would be amazing to discover the attitude that exists among the general populace.
Irishmen and Irishwomen appear to love the status quo. It doesn't annoy them to see Kerry back on top. In fact, if pushed, this conservative majority would probably admit that they like to see the Kingdom succeed. They find it quietly reassuring to see the green and gold in the Hogan Stand on the third Sunday in September. It must restore their belief that there is actually a natural order to the universe. There can be booms and recessions, taoisigh and tribunals, storms and sunny days, but if Kerry are winning All-Irelands then it proves there are some laws of the cosmos that cannot be violated.
This contentment in Kerry's success extends to the Irish sports writing fraternity. Journalists, by nature and definition, are supposed to be anti-establishment.
Yet it's amazing the satisfaction many hacks derive from a Kerry triumph. Make no mistake, many of them love to see a county make the breakthrough, and this was evident when Ulster teams like Armagh and Tyrone enjoyed maiden victories in 2002 and 2003. But this support for the little man quickly dries up when he threatens to seize the crown. (Note the bitterness and nit-picking following Tyrone's victory last year). In this respect, sports reporters merely reflect the broad body of opinion in the country as a whole.
It's quite unbelievable how many southerners... and northerners support Kerry in All-Ireland finals. And maybe it's this love of the familiar, and reverence for the ancient powers which explains why tradition counts for so much in the GAA.
In no other sport, can the history of a parish and place hold such store. The very colour of a jersey is often worth six points. The importance we place on the past unquestionably affects the psychology of our footballers and, for this reason, overcoming the establishment is without doubt the greatest obstacle facing any club or county.
This is why the 'team of the decade' debate has become too boring. Kerry have won five titles. Big deal. Kerry win All-Irelands. That is what they do. It's like praising Russia for producing chess champions.
Tyrone deserve a certain amount of credit. They finally stood up and fought the tide in 2003. But the longer I study Tyrone, the less impressive their record becomes.
It's a huge county with the eighth highest population in the land. For many decades Tyrone has had a thriving GAA culture. And unlike many of its northern counterparts, its towns are alive with strong clubs. Equally significantly, the O'Neill men have little truck with hurling.
Given its population, its devotion to football, its culture, and its massive resources, Tyrone should be the Kerry of the north. Yet, they've just three All-Ireland senior titles. It's a paltry return.
But study the past decade closely and one tribe of gaels emerges as true revolutionaries. This is a small county that dared to trample over tradition and trends. Its footballers have proved themselves in every competition where the blue bloods are accustomed to getting their own way.
So take a bow Armagh. All-Ireland senior champions in 2002, All-Ireland U21 champions in 2004, and All-Ireland minor champions in 2009. The triple crown. And let's not forget the National League title in 2005 and those six Ulster senior titles.
Considering the nature of the GAA, an organisation where the rich get rich and the poor get knocked out in the opening seconds, that's some haul of trophies for a county that was on the dole.
So please let's forget all this talk about Kerry and Tyrone. Who cares? What do their exploits really matter to those of us from the blue-collar counties?
When it comes to truly inspirational champions, we should take our cue from Armagh, the county of the decade.
Not so sure about that bit in bold. The likes of Strabane and Dungannon are really struggling. Omagh doing better but for its size should be better. There's 2 clubs in Armagh city still left in senior championship and a number of clubs in Lurgan area. He talks some crap.
Oh dear Paddy... no hurling in Tyrone, winners of Lory Meagher Cup. He says, "Tyrone deserve a certain amount of credit"... All Ireland minor winners 2001, 2004, 2008, U21 All Ireland winners 2000-2001, All Ireland senior 2003, 2005, 2008. Cringe worthy article trying to weasle out of previous funeral of Kerry nonsense. Same Paddy who tipped Kerry to beat Tyrone in 2005 and 2008. Is turning into Liam Hayes while trying to be (poor man's) Pat Spillane.
Uncle Seamus Heaney wrote: "Between my finger and my thumb-The squat pen rests...I'll dig with it."
As previous poster said, Paddy, stop digging ffs.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Good man Paddy!
The predictable Tymoanie response to that will probably do enough to fill a couple of pages in the 'Off The Fence' piece later on in the week, making things a wee bit easier for the IN journos.
Sometimes you need to get knocked down (or out!) to really appreciate what a wonderful place the summit is.
Match was won/lost because of:
Hunger Choking
Application Over-confidence
Tactics Reverence
Experience Karma
Takes two to tango and while Cork may have lost the way the were pushed there by an excellently executed Kerry game plan. Kerry never went beyond third gear cause they didn't need to.
Still living in langerland does have its moments...............such as now.
Getting porter till all hours from a Tipp publican in the heart of rebel-land after the match was pretty alright except for yesterday morning.
congrats to kerry, the yardstick by which we are all measured. Was Darren O'Sullivan's point a double hop? That was the one that finally snuffed out any faint hope of a revival. Looked like it but a ref near me reckoned he'd only one hand on the second one and hence it was legal.
QuoteStill living in langerland does have its moments...............such as now.
FC: Are you on for a pint or 2 in Tompkins some evening. He might put on the match for us ;)
Am only back in action today , what a savage result for us, am catching up on my newspapers reading all day, so will write more later.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 22, 2009, 07:39:07 PM
QuoteStill living in langerland does have its moments...............such as now.
FC: Are you on for a pint or 2 in Tompkins some evening. He might put on the match for us ;)
Am only back in action today , what a savage result for us, am catching up on my newspapers reading all day, so will write more later.
I'll give you a shout ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
2009 Kerry - All Ireland & National League Winners
http://pix.ie/mipix/1238860/size/800 (http://pix.ie/mipix/1238860/size/800)
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It will make for a mad week in Glenbeigh.
Yo! Mike...Was looking forward to gloating when youse got beat... but have to say was some achievement taking Sam back to the Kingdom yet again. Enjoy it as I have got to know it is a wonderful feeling.
Thanks. but don't let me stop you gloating ;)
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 22, 2009, 11:07:19 PM
Thanks. but don't let me stop you gloating ;)
Okay, thanks 3-0 8)
36-3 :P
What can I say? youse are the champs... will have to send the Tyrone boys down to sort youse out again... the rest of the country keeps bottling it...good night 8)
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on September 22, 2009, 12:27:37 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 22, 2009, 11:15:20 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2009, 11:07:49 AM
The bottling theory is just lazy analysis. Did Tyrone bottle it against cork? Did Tyrone bottle it against Laois in 2006? Did Tyrone bottle it against Sligo in 2002? Just beaten by a better team. Same as Cork on Sunday.
That's not a great piece of analysis there either in fairness: we didn't make half the chances against Cork as they missed against Kerry, we weren't going great in 2006 and just didn't have it. Against Sligo, well, I would say that we actually did bottle it: we threw in the towel long before the end of that game when Sligo turned up the heat.
Despite the best of Kerry's efforts, Cork still had made many chances to convert very scorable opportunities, chances they were burying against ourselves, and once they'd found themselves iin those positions Kerry's tactics were neither here nor there, it was all upstairs.
Have to agree with fear there. Tyrone did bottle it against Sligo. They had better players and in the opening 20 minutes were blowing Sligo off the park. When Sligo came back and offered some resistance Tyrone just folded like a wet paper bag. Tyrone had a history of bottling it in big games in Croker at that stage and that team did not have the mental toughness required. Mickey Harte added that crucial element to Tyrone. They didnt bottle it in 2006, they were just missing so many key men and lost to a better team on the day. Dont think they bottled it this year either, they just turned in an unusually flat performance and didnt get away with it against a very talented and motivated team.
Cork are an excellent team but sadly they didnt seem to believe in themselves on Sunday, when the game started to slip away they did not keep their heads. Kerry on the other hand did not panic despite their slow start and clearly believed they had it in them to reel Cork back in. So much in sport is mental and Sunday, and indeed the closing 20 minutes of the 2008 final, showed that very clearly.
Pretty mediocre match on Sunday to end a pretty mediocre championship but the most deserving team always comes through in the end and congratulations to Kerry.
And what is the common denominator from the 2002 Sligo match and the 2009 Cork match?? John Bannon - only in 2002, he made god-damned sure Sligo got back into the game and this year he made god-damned sure Tyrone did not get back into it. But hey, I'm not a bitter man nor do I hold petty grudges.
Take a look at this for a chuckle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkPHRH11TTc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkPHRH11TTc)
Quote from: On_the_Couch on September 23, 2009, 12:23:11 AM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on September 22, 2009, 12:27:37 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 22, 2009, 11:15:20 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2009, 11:07:49 AM
The bottling theory is just lazy analysis. Did Tyrone bottle it against cork? Did Tyrone bottle it against Laois in 2006? Did Tyrone bottle it against Sligo in 2002? Just beaten by a better team. Same as Cork on Sunday.
That's not a great piece of analysis there either in fairness: we didn't make half the chances against Cork as they missed against Kerry, we weren't going great in 2006 and just didn't have it. Against Sligo, well, I would say that we actually did bottle it: we threw in the towel long before the end of that game when Sligo turned up the heat.
Despite the best of Kerry's efforts, Cork still had made many chances to convert very scorable opportunities, chances they were burying against ourselves, and once they'd found themselves iin those positions Kerry's tactics were neither here nor there, it was all upstairs.
Have to agree with fear there. Tyrone did bottle it against Sligo. They had better players and in the opening 20 minutes were blowing Sligo off the park. When Sligo came back and offered some resistance Tyrone just folded like a wet paper bag. Tyrone had a history of bottling it in big games in Croker at that stage and that team did not have the mental toughness required. Mickey Harte added that crucial element to Tyrone. They didnt bottle it in 2006, they were just missing so many key men and lost to a better team on the day. Dont think they bottled it this year either, they just turned in an unusually flat performance and didnt get away with it against a very talented and motivated team.
Cork are an excellent team but sadly they didnt seem to believe in themselves on Sunday, when the game started to slip away they did not keep their heads. Kerry on the other hand did not panic despite their slow start and clearly believed they had it in them to reel Cork back in. So much in sport is mental and Sunday, and indeed the closing 20 minutes of the 2008 final, showed that very clearly.
Pretty mediocre match on Sunday to end a pretty mediocre championship but the most deserving team always comes through in the end and congratulations to Kerry.
And what is the common denominator from the 2002 Sligo match and the 2009 Cork match?? John Bannon - only in 2002, he made god-damned sure Sligo got back into the game and this year he made god-damned sure Tyrone did not get back into it. But hey, I'm not a bitter man nor do I hold petty grudges.
sounds like you do. Your the first Tyrone person I have heard blame the ref for the Sligo defeat.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 23, 2009, 05:50:58 PM
Quote from: On_the_Couch on September 23, 2009, 12:23:11 AM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on September 22, 2009, 12:27:37 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 22, 2009, 11:15:20 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2009, 11:07:49 AM
The bottling theory is just lazy analysis. Did Tyrone bottle it against cork? Did Tyrone bottle it against Laois in 2006? Did Tyrone bottle it against Sligo in 2002? Just beaten by a better team. Same as Cork on Sunday.
That's not a great piece of analysis there either in fairness: we didn't make half the chances against Cork as they missed against Kerry, we weren't going great in 2006 and just didn't have it. Against Sligo, well, I would say that we actually did bottle it: we threw in the towel long before the end of that game when Sligo turned up the heat.
Despite the best of Kerry's efforts, Cork still had made many chances to convert very scorable opportunities, chances they were burying against ourselves, and once they'd found themselves iin those positions Kerry's tactics were neither here nor there, it was all upstairs.
Have to agree with fear there. Tyrone did bottle it against Sligo. They had better players and in the opening 20 minutes were blowing Sligo off the park. When Sligo came back and offered some resistance Tyrone just folded like a wet paper bag. Tyrone had a history of bottling it in big games in Croker at that stage and that team did not have the mental toughness required. Mickey Harte added that crucial element to Tyrone. They didnt bottle it in 2006, they were just missing so many key men and lost to a better team on the day. Dont think they bottled it this year either, they just turned in an unusually flat performance and didnt get away with it against a very talented and motivated team.
Cork are an excellent team but sadly they didnt seem to believe in themselves on Sunday, when the game started to slip away they did not keep their heads. Kerry on the other hand did not panic despite their slow start and clearly believed they had it in them to reel Cork back in. So much in sport is mental and Sunday, and indeed the closing 20 minutes of the 2008 final, showed that very clearly.
Pretty mediocre match on Sunday to end a pretty mediocre championship but the most deserving team always comes through in the end and congratulations to Kerry.
And what is the common denominator from the 2002 Sligo match and the 2009 Cork match?? John Bannon - only in 2002, he made god-damned sure Sligo got back into the game and this year he made god-damned sure Tyrone did not get back into it. But hey, I'm not a bitter man nor do I hold petty grudges.
sounds like you do. Your the first Tyrone person I have heard blame the ref for the Sligo defeat.
Blame would be too strong, but Bannon's performance that day certainly coloured my view on his ability to remain impartial throughout a game. And I've seen little since to make me revise that view.
The Cork footballers r a team of bottlers and have been for quiet sometime now. Some cars have an automatic choke, the Cork one has multiple chokes when faced with the green and gold. They should play Mayo in an annual battle of the choke and the winners could then go forward to take a hiding from the kingom. :'(
And you could learn your spelling.
A sweet, sweet win. Great to see Sam back on home soil again.
Donnacha Walsh and Sean O'sullivan brought the trophy into work today.
It is amazing the effect a piece of silver can have on people.
The langers as always are as gracious in defeat as they were in victory last June.
I have no doubt their time will come. Cork were the team of the year if not the team of the final.
Some year for Munster football only the Minor title escaped.
Munster the home of football!!
Kerry even make better videos than those langers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV-dQ0GAJaM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV-dQ0GAJaM)
I loved the bit when Keane hung the Green and Gold outside the Kildare fellows pub, would love to have seen his face. Magic
I hear the Unicorn statue in Glenflesk on the main Cork-Killarney road was painted Red and White last week. And the white lines in Kilgarvan were also done red too. Da' Durty Langers were very confident.
10/10 for the brass neck of him, though he'll get it broken one of these days! :D
Bit of craic - this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oCAVsK6-uE
some win by kerry delighted for kennelly more then anything else. just back from a few weeks in ny so i watched it there in an irish centre full to the rafters with people from all over ireland. in ireland we might easily forget what all ireland final day means around the world. there were jerseys from monaghan armagh waterford and everywhere else there, people of all ages but many old fellas that dont stray out too often now - great to see.
what to say about kerry, dara will be back! kennelly prob not imo, declan was super and another big day for t walsh but cork hadnt the bottle if the truth be told. tipp threw the kitchen sink at killkenny but cork barely tested kerry, there was a lot more in the tank if needed. as i said for the last few years this kerry team doesn't get half the respect it deserves and will get in time, what they have achieved is unbelievable. . thanks for another great year
Spillane is one sickner. He was saying in the paper today that Kerry people don't gloat unlike people from the north. Then went onto give abuse to ulster teams. Said this year teams with best players one All Irelands. All Ireland champions at every level this year including sigerson did not play negative football except for the All Ireland minor champions. Does he actually believe this crap he writes? Kerry are as negative as any of the ulster teams and thats not a criticism.
why do people continue to read his shite, i stopped a long time ago
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on September 27, 2009, 09:08:08 PM
Spillane is one sickner. He was saying in the paper today that Kerry people don't gloat unlike people from the north. Then went onto give abuse to ulster teams. Said this year teams with best players one All Irelands. All Ireland champions at every level this year including sigerson did not play negative football except for the All Ireland minor champions. Does he actually believe this crap he writes? Kerry are as negative as any of the ulster teams and thats not a criticism.
heard jack o connor take a dig at him on the radio for writing kerry off earlier in the year.. thats what he does stirs it up!!!
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on September 27, 2009, 09:08:08 PM
Spillane is one sickner. He was saying in the paper today that Kerry people don't gloat unlike people from the north. Then went onto give abuse to ulster teams. Said this year teams with best players one All Irelands. All Ireland champions at every level this year including sigerson did not play negative football except for the All Ireland minor champions. Does he actually believe this crap he writes? Kerry are as negative as any of the ulster teams and thats not a criticism.
Indeed, but it should be.