Yesterday was another boring basketball affair, predictable and sleep inducing. The only ones that got it wrong were RTE when they said ONE of the Tyrone players was sick and couldn't play. Not alone was all the Tyrone team sick and couldn't play but the ref was a complete hospital case or at least would have qualified as being one were he reffing a club game in Wicklow or Laois.
Cork tried in vain to wake up the Tyrone men, in one instance a Cork player, Miskella, came up with a novel idea of doing thiis by walking up and, from behind, hitting a Tyrone player a good box in the head which not alone failed to awake him but put him to sleep altogether. His friends who used to be renowned for their fierce tackling all stood around with their hands on their hips and from lip reading their reaction was something like "my god old boy, did you see that, he's just hit him on the head" but did nothing. Taking out the number of frees and the number of times the ball was thrown over the bar as opposed to being kicked over it I was more than thankful to be in a place where I could celebrate the life of a man called Arthur albeit having to do so akin to a black man in Alabama having been the only one shouting for Tyrone against a clubhouse full of overnight Cork supporters.
This was another game of football at its worst and another reason why games like this should be banned during the tourist season, I mean you can't have tourists sitting in a pub watching a "galic football match" and asking "Why did he get sent off, he got a red card and sent off but he only accidently glanced off his opponent?" and you tell him - "well he tackled after the ball was gone" Then, five minutes later, same tourist, same question, "hey man, look, he went up and hit his opponent a box in the head and not alone was the ball gone, it was never there at all, why is he not sent home?" Jeeezus...
After Dublin against Kerry, yesterdays game, Roscommon, Westmeath - in fact the entire football championship has been a disgrace, a non-event. At least the Laois boys had the sense to pack up early and head of on the drink. Next week should see Croke Park packed to the rafters to watch Meath and Kerry. Let the hype begin but before it does will anyone tell me that it is reasonable and fair for somone to post a thread on the hurling section titled "Hurling is Boring" which to me insinuates that football is exciting. It is in me arse exciting, the entire championship has been a failure.
Well said
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Quote from: Bud Wiser on August 24, 2009, 08:37:09 AM
"Hurling is Boring" which to me insinuates that football is exciting. It is in me arse exciting, the entire championship has been a failure.
I know your fishing but I'll bite. The reason the Hurling championship was questioned was it's very predictable nature . Something which couldn't be said about yesterday or the Football championship in general
Very predictable nature.....
If before the championship started one was to list out the top 3 teams in the country. Would you agree that if those 3 teams all made the semi finals then a championship is "predictable"?
http://www.setanta.com/uk/Blogs/Brian-Murphy/2009/04/Kingdom-closing-on-Tyrone-in-mid-season-appraisal/
Football and Hurling are boring
Thank God for the Premiership............... :'(
Quote from: timmykelleher on August 24, 2009, 10:32:46 AM
Very predictable nature.....
If before the championship started one was to list out the top 3 teams in the country. Would you agree that if those 3 teams all made the semi finals then a championship is "predictable"?
http://www.setanta.com/uk/Blogs/Brian-Murphy/2009/04/Kingdom-closing-on-Tyrone-in-mid-season-appraisal/
Again hardly predictable a educated guess , how many would of had Dublin or Galway in there top 3 or too look at it from the the other side how many would of had Meath?
Agree. Think that this championship was a bit of a damp squib.
To be honest I would be in total favour of a revamp of the AI series. Even if it meant losing the provincial championships.
Quote from: na cleirigh on August 24, 2009, 11:55:03 AM
Agree. Think that this championship was a bit of a damp squib.
To be honest I would be in total favour of a revamp of the AI series. Even if it meant losing the provincial championships.
Is it time for a champions league style format?
Or something like the hurling championship with 2/3 tiers?
Quote from: na cleirigh on August 24, 2009, 11:55:03 AM
Agree. Think that this championship was a bit of a damp squib.
To be honest I would be in total favour of a revamp of the AI series. Even if it meant losing the provincial championships.
Can't agree there. As usual, the championship started off slowly, and, with the exception of the Tyrone - Kildare quarter final, the closing stages have been disappointing but there were numerous good games throughout June and July. In my eyes, this has been one of the best championships in recent years .
Quote from: thebandit on August 24, 2009, 12:46:32 PM
Quote from: na cleirigh on August 24, 2009, 11:55:03 AM
Agree. Think that this championship was a bit of a damp squib.
To be honest I would be in total favour of a revamp of the AI series. Even if it meant losing the provincial championships.
Is it time for a champions league style format?
Or something like the hurling championship with 2/3 tiers?
Not at all. Unlike Hurling, almost all football counties can cause a big upset on any given day.
Quote from: thebandit on August 24, 2009, 12:46:32 PM
Quote from: na cleirigh on August 24, 2009, 11:55:03 AM
Agree. Think that this championship was a bit of a damp squib.
To be honest I would be in total favour of a revamp of the AI series. Even if it meant losing the provincial championships.
Is it time for a champions league style format?
Or something like the hurling championship with 2/3 tiers?
from now to march the champions league will be a long drawn out bore with the quarter finalists obvious now... world cup soccer and rugby is the same in the group stages.. loads of one sided dull games until weak teams are eliminated.
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 24, 2009, 06:30:59 PM
Quote from: thebandit on August 24, 2009, 12:46:32 PM
Quote from: na cleirigh on August 24, 2009, 11:55:03 AM
Agree. Think that this championship was a bit of a damp squib.
To be honest I would be in total favour of a revamp of the AI series. Even if it meant losing the provincial championships.
Is it time for a champions league style format?
Or something like the hurling championship with 2/3 tiers?
Not at all. Unlike Hurling, almost all football counties can cause a big upset on any given day.
Yeah. But what were the upsets?
Would love to see a revamp of the championship. I think that the football championship is a bit boring and its nearly always the same teams playing each other, with only the odd very good game. The provincial championships are unfair and totally unbalanced, with teams from the north and leinster having to do way more to win an all ireland than say the teams from munster and connacht, which is a bit daft really.
I think a champions league format, with say 8 groups of 4 teams, would be a great idea and gives the chance for teams that very rarely meet in the championship the chance to play each other. A home and away basis would also add excitment to the games and give the weaker teams a chance against the big boys. Surely it would freshen up the championship anyway...
What's this special congress in October for ? To introduce a champions league style AI championship ?
Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2009, 12:44:21 AM
What's this special congress in October for ? To introduce a champions league style AI championship ?
Is it??
So after 125 of running our own show successfully we now need to follow the soccer crowd and introduce a champions league type format.
We already have a league, it does not work, does not draw the crowds and most counties treat it with utter contempt. How is a champions league going to work any better.
Keep the provincial championships as they are, its up to counties individually and with assistance from central council and provincial councils to become successfull and to improve both their facilities and resources for the youth of tomorrow to become sucessfull.
If counties dont put their own act in order, and they remain the whipping boys every year that is their own fault. Kilkenny, Cork, Kerry ,Tyrone to name many counties have put the structure in place to develop their games for the future.
We dont need more tinkering with the system there has been too much of it already this decade in hurling and football.
QuoteIf counties dont put their own act in order, and they remain the whipping boys every year that is their own fault.
That's nonsense, weak football counties like Waterford, Limerick, Tipp and Clare can only win a Munster championship by beating at least one of Cork or Kerry and for many years would have had to beat both. This reality further stifles the growth of football in those counties already struggling to get an equal footing with hurling. And this is replicated in all the provinces which is madness. You are however correct to say the league is a joke and entirely devalued, which in essence means that 70-90% of IC games for most counties are glorified challenge matches. Even the counties who challenge for SAM most years only have 5 or 6 serious games out of approximately 12 - 14 games, in what other sport does that happen. By connecting teh league with the championship and removing the connection between the provinces and the AI series we immediately improve 3 core problems with the IC year - we have a better league, we have a fairer championship where geographical location doesn't influence your chance of success and we have a solid structure where every county knows when they'll be playing thus allowing CB's to fix club games in total confidence they won't clash with county games.
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2009, 09:30:44 AM
QuoteIf counties dont put their own act in order, and they remain the whipping boys every year that is their own fault.
That's nonsense, weak football counties like Waterford, Limerick, Tipp and Clare can only win a Munster championship by beating at least one of Cork or Kerry and for many years would have had to beat both. This reality further stifles the growth of football in those counties already struggling to get an equal footing with hurling. And this is replicated in all the provinces which is madness. You are however correct to say the league is a joke and entirely devalued, which in essence means that 70-90% of IC games for most counties are glorified challenge matches. Even the counties who challenge for SAM most years only have 5 or 6 serious games out of approximately 12 - 14 games, in what other sport does that happen. By connecting teh league with the championship and removing the connection between the provinces and the AI series we immediately improve 3 core problems with the IC year - we have a better league, we have a fairer championship where geographical location doesn't influence your chance of success and we have a solid structure where every county knows when they'll be playing thus allowing CB's to fix club games in total confidence they won't clash with county games.
Agreed. Have yet to hear a decent reason for not trying out a new format for the championship in order to make it fairer/more exciting..
QuoteHave yet to hear a decent reason for not trying out a new format for the championship in order to make it fairer/more exciting..
Here's one. Only a handful of counties can realistically aim for an AI in a given year. Others can aim to win the provincial title. OK some of the provincial competitions are not the best, but if Fermanagh or even Monaghan won Ulster it would be a genuine achievement. These counties may not have the population to win an AI, ever.
Kilkenny don't have a massive population yet they've won a few AI's. And how many counties have actually won provincial titles in the past 10 years? Of course it's great when a county like Laois or Westmeath win one but is that enough reason to persist with the current format where the majority of games played in a season are basically challenge games, where we have no definitive structure to our season and winning your provincial championship can reduce your chances of winning an AI? We basically have a system who's only real advantage over any other is that counties like Louth or Leitrim might win a provincial title once every 60 years or so. And if that is so important we can always play stand alone provincial championships.
Another Classic I suppose ? The entire nation, including the Meath team knew who was going to win this one. Felt sorry for the lad called Shane O'Neill from Enfield in Meath who had so much on his plate that he wrote to a Sunday newspaper complaining about the Empty Stout Bottles.
The ESB it seems were carrying out an upgrade in Meath and notified all the natives that the upgrade would take place on Sunday and as a result there would be no electric between 2pm and 6pm. 'Shane' wanted to know what kind of fool in the ESB would pick such a time when Meath were playing such an important game and nobody could watch it 'down the pub'. What kind of fool? For Jesus sake whoever this man is in the ESB he is no fool, a vocation awaits him in any country from Tibet to Tipperary where people are being persecuted by dominant groups with anything at their disposal as weapons from a tank to a hurl , should he decide to retire .
The idea that hurling was a three puck game and the score was got with only two or three players being involved went flying out my front door yesterday anyway - and me after it because I could watch no more. Here I was sitting down with a notepad and a biro and I sez to meself, I will put a tick on this line every time Kerry or Meath handpass the ball and a tick on the other line every time they kick it. Eighteen minutes later and Kerry had 23 kicks. Some were 'kick passes over ten yards and some were wide and one was a penalty. By contrast they had 39 basketball passes in the same 18 minutes.
The gas thing was, when I saw Tommy Walshes goal later only three players touched the ball from the Kerry goalkeeper to the back of the net so keep trying to copy hurling and maybe it will get interesting.
Was it worth it to make that point?
Yes, don't let it upset you, some of the points you make are pretty longwinded and a lot more irrelevant.
It doesn't upset me. I have heard these arguments before and they are not without foundation.
I think you turning this thread into the type of thread your initial post is protesting against.
Quote from: Bud Wiser on August 31, 2009, 08:38:07 AM
Another Classic I suppose ? The entire nation, including the Meath team knew who was going to win this one. Felt sorry for the lad called Shane O'Neill from Enfield in Meath who had so much on his plate that he wrote to a Sunday newspaper complaining about the Empty Stout Bottles.
The ESB it seems were carrying out an upgrade in Meath and notified all the natives that the upgrade would take place on Sunday and as a result there would be no electric between 2pm and 6pm. 'Shane' wanted to know what kind of fool in the ESB would pick such a time when Meath were playing such an important game and nobody could watch it 'down the pub'. What kind of fool? For Jesus sake whoever this man is in the ESB he is no fool, a vocation awaits him in any country from Tibet to Tipperary where people are being persecuted by dominant groups with anything at their disposal as weapons from a tank to a hurl , should he decide to retire .
The idea that hurling was a three puck game and the score was got with only two or three players being involved went flying out my front door yesterday anyway - and me after it because I could watch no more. Here I was sitting down with a notepad and a biro and I sez to meself, I will put a tick on this line every time Kerry or Meath handpass the ball and a tick on the other line every time they kick it. Eighteen minutes later and Kerry had 23 kicks. Some were 'kick passes over ten yards and some were wide and one was a penalty. By contrast they had 39 basketball passes in the same 18 minutes.
The gas thing was, when I saw Tommy Walshes goal later only three players touched the ball from the Kerry goalkeeper to the back of the net so keep trying to copy hurling and maybe it will get interesting.
Jesus Bud this must be killing you, you've tried all manner of tactics from the subtle to the lunatic and still nobody's biting. Try the old football is only for bad hurlers one that might snare a newbie :D :D :D
QuoteI think you turning this thread into the type of thread your initial post is protesting against.
How could I turn the thread into what I started the thread as when I started the thread saying football is boring - in response to someone else saying BTW that hurling was boring? I started the thread saying that football was boring and I end my last post by saying the same thing and if anyone tries to tell me that yesterdays game was anything else but boring then that is their opinion.
Kerry had strung together a total of 62 passes in 18 minutes, Meath as it happens had 19 kicks and 23 basketballs so between the two of them they had a total of 104 passes and after all that they had four scores on the board. So, what I said above about the ESB man is , in my opinion correct, anyone who could save anyone else from enduring this type of game is a hero.
Isn't Bud a hurling fan? You'd think he'd be concerned about it considering it has been one of the worst hurling championships ever. To be fair the football in recent weeks hasn't been great but there was some very good games along the way and the prospect of a good final.
I`ve heard it all now, a Laois man complaining about standards ::)