After watching the highlights of Limerick vs Dublin something that has been bothering me for the last while and I have seen enough of it to make me take drastic action and start a thread on GAAboard. As you can guess by the title, kicking the sliotar just annoys me. Especially kicking goals. It doesn't look right and seems like an easy way out for forwards, much like Limericks goal yesterday. The defender was in a good position to hook any shot, I think in that situation it would be better if the forward had to shoot with his hurl rather than being allowed kick it.
Anyone else agree?
I thought the kicked scores were good. It annoys me when 4-6 men are bunched swinging at a silotar or trying to pick it up, going nowhere. They'd be better just drawing the boot into it.
Well in that situation its not so bad and it would be next to impossible to referee if you were to be penalised for hitting the ball with your foot but its just the scores that bother me.
When Canning lost his hurl yesterday, he had no other choice but to kick it over the bar. He was faced by 4/5 Waterford defenders. A great score.
Nicky English's soccer style goal might have been his best ever.
To be honest I think that it should maybe be done more. You can kick the ball upto 30 yards in the back line to clear your lines, and its a good way of getting scores. Backs have plenty of underhand ways of fouling forwards and its a pretty fair advantage for the forwards to score with the boot
Who kicked the point yday? Well outside 35. Seen it on the SG last nite but cant even mind.
Kicking the ball is a skill and should be allowed. Imagine if a defender was not allowed to kick the ball clear then the game would be stopped constantly because of over carrying.
QuoteShould not be allowed to do it. If they want to kick a ball they should have played football as opposed to hurling. It looks while stupid i think in the middle of match.
Sure outlaw handpassing too, if they wanted to hit the ball with their hand they should have played handball instead of hurling.
Don't have a problem with the kicking of a hurling ball and it can be your only option if the hurl is knocked out of your hand. If you were to get a pull on the foot whilst trying to kick the ball then you mightn'd be wanting or able to kick it again.
Anyone else think the fisted point in football should be banned as it's just too eay?
Joe Canning was the lad who kicked the point yesterday.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on July 27, 2009, 12:57:23 PM
Should not be allowed to do it. If they want to kick a ball they should have played football as opposed to hurling. It looks while stupid i think in the middle of match.
So when English and Canning had the hurls pulled off them what should they do with a score on?
Quote from: johnneycool on July 27, 2009, 01:19:07 PM
Don't have a problem with the kicking of a hurling ball and it can be your only option if the hurl is knocked out of your hand. If you were to get a pull on the foot whilst trying to kick the ball then you mightn'd be wanting or able to kick it again.
Anyone else think the fisted point in football should be banned as it's just too eay?
Joe Canning was the lad who kicked the point yesterday.
Ban all handpasses in football!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 28, 2009, 11:16:31 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 27, 2009, 01:19:07 PM
Don't have a problem with the kicking of a hurling ball and it can be your only option if the hurl is knocked out of your hand. If you were to get a pull on the foot whilst trying to kick the ball then you mightn'd be wanting or able to kick it again.
Anyone else think the fisted point in football should be banned as it's just too eay?
Joe Canning was the lad who kicked the point yesterday.
Ban all handpasses in football!
dont see the problem with either kicking the ball in hurling or fisting a score in football, both are skills of the game.
Actually quite like the fisted score in football,usually comes at the end of a forwrd taking on his man and going for goal
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 28, 2009, 11:42:42 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 28, 2009, 11:16:31 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 27, 2009, 01:19:07 PM
Don't have a problem with the kicking of a hurling ball and it can be your only option if the hurl is knocked out of your hand. If you were to get a pull on the foot whilst trying to kick the ball then you mightn'd be wanting or able to kick it again.
Anyone else think the fisted point in football should be banned as it's just too eay?
Joe Canning was the lad who kicked the point yesterday.
Ban all handpasses in football!
dont see the problem with either kicking the ball in hurling or fisting a score in football, both are skills of the game.
Actually quite like the fisted score in football,usually comes at the end of a forwrd taking on his man and going for goal
Eh, if he's going for goal he'd have to kick surely as fisted goals aren't allowed AFAIK but I'm no expert on the football.
I just think there isn't much skill in fisting a ball over the bar, but you could argue that bouncing the ball is a skill. All subjective
Its a skill of the game. If a defender wants to grab your Hurl then booting the ball to the back of the net will surely be the forwards advantage.
If it were banned defenders would just have to have a sly tug of the hurl & the Sunday Game would be inundated with fans going mental about useless referees.
Very Few players could do what Nicky English done all those years ago & Canning' was a delightful effort!
The only thing that should touch the sliothar should be a hurl.
Ban handpassing and kicking before the game turns into football.
Quote from: Premier Emperor on July 28, 2009, 06:30:14 PM
The only thing that should touch the sliothar should be a hurl.
Ban handpassing and kicking before the game turns into football.
what's your stance on catching as you need to use the hand for that?
::)
Quote from: johnneycool on July 29, 2009, 08:45:01 AM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on July 28, 2009, 06:30:14 PM
The only thing that should touch the sliothar should be a hurl.
Ban handpassing and kicking before the game turns into football.
what's your stance on catching as you need to use the hand for that?
::)
Use your hurl ::) God Johnny you must have been a bad hurler if your used your hands to touch the ball at any stage in a match.......... Why don't we just play Shinty instead ???
Quote from: Premier Emperor on July 28, 2009, 06:30:14 PM
The only thing that should touch the sliothar should be a hurl.
Ban handpassing and kicking before the game turns into football.
So you wouldnt like to see guys like Shanahan cathching the ball like he did with two great fetches on Sunday?
Your argument is ridiculous! Also goalkeeepers rely on catching quite a bit.
Catching , kicking & the handpass offer players the option to play the ball or gather it in an alternative way.
They are skills of the game.......to remove them wouldnt make the game better but worse to watch in my opinion!
here's a question...
Player A strikes the ball with hurley or foot across the goal and Player B dives across and palms the ball to the net on the VOLLEY.
Is it a goal?? had an arguement in the pub about this before
Technically yes as it not a handpass as you were not in possession before playing the ball, but I'd say a lot of referee's wouldn't give it.
Tough question, agree should be a goal but refs probably would rule it out. I saw a class headed goal in a Gaelic game before which the ref ruled out
Quote from: neilthemac on July 29, 2009, 02:47:22 PM
here's a question...
Player A strikes the ball with hurley or foot across the goal and Player B dives across and palms the ball to the net on the VOLLEY.
Is it a goal?? had an arguement in the pub about this before
It is most definitely a goal. If the ref doesn't give it then he's wrong and the team that scores it will have a severe grievance! You can put the ball into the net with the end of your c**k provided you are not in possession of the ball beforehand! (and your c**k is of a sufficient size)
RULE 3 - SCORES
3.1 A goal is scored when the ball is played over
the goal line between the posts and under the
crossbar by either team.
A point is scored when the ball is played over
the crossbar between the posts by either team.
A goal is equivalent to three points.
The team with the greater final total of points is
the winner.
EXCEPTIONS
A player on the team attacking a goal who is in
possession of the ball may not score;
(i) by carrying the ball over his opponents'
goal-line, or
(ii) with his hand(s)
3.2 A score may be made by striking the ball in
flight with the hand(s).
That pretty much answers that one, out of interest does your rule book mention anything about heading a ball in gaelic?
RULE 3 - SCORES
3.1 A goal is scored when the ball is played over
the goal-line between the posts and under the
crossbar by either team.
A point is scored when the ball is played over
the crossbar between the posts by either team.
A goal is equivalent to three points.
The team with the greater final total of points is
the winner.
EXCEPTIONS
A player on the team attacking a goal and who
is in possession of the ball may not score: -
(i) by carrying the ball over his opponents'
goal-line;
(ii) a goal with his hands except as provided in
Rule 1.2 EXCEPTION (ii);
(iii) a point with his open hand(s), but may
score a point by fisting the ball.
3.2 A score may be made by striking the ball in
flight with the hand(s).
I guess that if it's not mentioned as being a legitimate way to score, then a headed goal ought to be disallowed.
But if it hits off a players arse, knee, face, chest or groin region it would be counted!
erm-pass, i tend to make it up as i go along.
Quote from: EddieMerx on July 31, 2009, 01:17:20 PM
But if it hits off a players arse, knee, face, chest or groin region it would be counted!
Yes most definitely.
years ago one of our players scored against Lamhs with a headed goal, deliberate headed goal.
should a goal be scored when a ball comes off someones head? yes it should be given. if I'm refereeing and someone does it on purpose I'll not give it.
Quote from: milltown row on July 31, 2009, 06:48:13 PM
years ago one of our players scored against Lamhs with a headed goal, deliberate headed goal.
should a goal be scored when a ball comes off someones head? yes it should be given. if I'm refereeing and someone does it on purpose I'll not give it.
You would probably start swearing at yourself for giving it & then book yourself for challenging your own authority!
Quote from: guevara on July 29, 2009, 12:15:40 PM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on July 28, 2009, 06:30:14 PM
The only thing that should touch the sliothar should be a hurl.
Ban handpassing and kicking before the game turns into football.
So you wouldnt like to see guys like Shanahan cathching the ball like he did with two great fetches on Sunday?
Your argument is ridiculous! Also goalkeeepers rely on catching quite a bit.
Catching , kicking & the handpass offer players the option to play the ball or gather it in an alternative way.
They are skills of the game.......to remove them wouldnt make the game better but worse to watch in my opinion!
The ability to catch doesn't make Shanahan any less of a mullocker.
We are in danger of going down the same road as football - Picking teams of 6 foot something lads because they can catch a ball.
The real skills of hurling need to come to the fore again.
Quote from: Premier Emperor on August 09, 2009, 11:05:28 AM
Quote from: guevara on July 29, 2009, 12:15:40 PM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on July 28, 2009, 06:30:14 PM
The only thing that should touch the sliothar should be a hurl.
Ban handpassing and kicking before the game turns into football.
So you wouldnt like to see guys like Shanahan cathching the ball like he did with two great fetches on Sunday?
Your argument is ridiculous! Also goalkeeepers rely on catching quite a bit.
Catching , kicking & the handpass offer players the option to play the ball or gather it in an alternative way.
They are skills of the game.......to remove them wouldnt make the game better but worse to watch in my opinion!
The ability to catch doesn't make Shanahan any less of a mullocker.
We are in danger of going down the same road as football - Picking teams of 6 foot something lads because they can catch a ball.
The real skills of hurling need to come to the fore again.
Such nonsense. A player catches to take possession of the ball and it's therefore a necessary skill. Do you want players to keep the ball on the ground? Hockey is the one you're after.