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it'll be tough but the good old days are back ;D this is a super draw for football...

Magickingdom is Sean Walsh ...

Quote from: magickingdom on July 26, 2009, 06:51:09 PM
it'll be tough but the good old days are back ;D this is a super draw for football...

why?

No doubt we'll hear a mountain of guff about the great 'rivalry'.

What rivalry? Dublin beat Kerry in '76 and '77. Otherwise it's been Kerry every single time. And it will be Kerry this time too.

Can it really be 32 years since the Dubs beat Kerry in Championship?

Cant resist this one


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRSnT7bxKNs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRSnT7bxKNs)

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lNLZJarKZU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lNLZJarKZU)

Quote from: magickingdom on July 26, 2009, 06:51:09 PM
it'll be tough but the good old days are back ;D this is a super draw for football...

Couple of also rans!

OK, OK, I will not be missing this game!  :)

Quote from: Frank Casey on July 26, 2009, 07:36:05 PM
Cant resist this one


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRSnT7bxKNs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRSnT7bxKNs)

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lNLZJarKZU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lNLZJarKZU)

Hmm where you from again Frank - Mayo is it

Interesting game. Dublin flying and Kerry struggling. Similar to last year but replacing Kerry with Tyrone.

Is like hyping up a tribute band as being as good as the original. Will be great atmosphere as Dublin games are but two very average teams who wouldnt live 10 minutes with the great teams of the 70s.

When was the last time Kerry were massive underdogs against Dublin ??

Similar to last year alright.

I wonder will things fall into place like last Summer with Kerry getting an extra week to prepare. I'd say it really helped Micky Harte.

The press are dying for Kerry to put in a big performance so that they can say - yes, we warned you all along that they haven't gone away.

I think they are done for and that Dublin will beat them by 5/6.

Quote from: orangeman on July 26, 2009, 08:49:43 PM
When was the last time Kerry were massive underdogs against Dublin ??

They wouldn't be massive underdogs. Dublin would be favourites but Kerry would be quite similar to Tyrone going into the quarter final v Dublin last year.

Quote from: cadhlancian on July 26, 2009, 07:18:23 PM

Quote from: magickingdom on July 26, 2009, 06:51:09 PM
it'll be tough but the good old days are back ;D this is a super draw for football...

why?

will you watch it? will you look forward to it? it will be hyped out of all proportion, be a sell out and cover the sports pages for days. i think thats good for football esp seen the premiership is only around the corner. you'll even get boys like tankie and gnevin to stop dreaming they play for leinster for a few days ;)

Will look forward to this one. It does however feel the same as the Tyrone-Dublin game last year. But Dublin have every chance of winning. Kerry aren't the same without Donaghy. HOwever, Dublin Kildare seems like ages ago, wonder how this will affect the Dubs.

Quote from: magickingdom on July 26, 2009, 09:23:01 PM

Quote from: cadhlancian on July 26, 2009, 07:18:23 PM

Quote from: magickingdom on July 26, 2009, 06:51:09 PM
it'll be tough but the good old days are back ;D this is a super draw for football...

why?

will you watch it? will you look forward to it? it will be hyped out of all proportion, be a sell out and cover the sports pages for days. i think thats good for football esp seen the premiership is only around the corner. you'll even get boys like tankie and gnevin to stop dreaming they play for leinster for a few days ;)

Grow up

Kerry have been spluttering all summer, but they are still there. If they can find the form of old they will beat the Dubs, the big question is can they put the obvious trouble in the camp behind them and get things back on track or is this the end for this particular squad. From the looks of Kinnelly half the players in Ireland could have a career in Oz.
The Dubs will be hard to listen to if they win this one.

Ah........ Dublin V Kerry

The worst possible draw for us (Dublin).

Of course some Idiotic people including our own but mainly the media are going to say Dublin are the Favorites.
And as a previous post made this is going to be hyped up to the Moon but to be expected.

Dublin are the Underdogs. Kerry are the huge favorites. We have not beaten Kerry since 77( the greatest game ever played in Croke park) 32 long long years. We have not played in a final since 95 whereas Kerry have played in 9 finals including a replay and have been in the final the last 5 years. A truely great team.

It is going to be a huge task for Dublin, playing against one of the greatest teams this island has ever seen. When you play Kerry, youre playing against multi all ireland winning players in nearly every position, Multi Multi all star winning players in every positon.

I believe that we can beat Kerry but everything will have to go our way, we need our big players to stand up and be counted. Our defence will have to play the best football they have played since January. I think we might need to play 4 in the full back line to stop  Walsh, Gooch and Donaghy if fit. Hubbert i think could play a role in Andrews is having a hard time against Gooch. Our half back line i believe have been our strongest attribute this year and its made even stronger by Cullen coming back into the frame. We need the Brogans to play like their Auld fella back in the Day when he tore into Kerry.

Anyway we are huge Underdogs and need everything to go right for us and maybe who knows we can beat them.




But if we beat them we will still have probably a very good Mayo team and possibly the best team in the Country Tyrone also before we can live our dream of waking up on a Monday morning beside some fat auld one and sick stained sheets some where in Drumcondra and realise we are All Ireland champions.

well put, I dont think you are far off the mark.  I fully expect the kingdom to beat the dubs and saunter on, however this is because of douibts I have had over the years about Dublins main protagonists - this could be the game where the "soft underbelly" tag is lost and the Dubs finally move onto the next step.  If the dubs are good enough to take the kingdom the subsequent shot in the arm could raise them to an all ireland winning momentum and remove much of the scar tissue surrounding the whelans etc.   

Quote from: longrunsthefox on July 26, 2009, 08:37:43 PM
Is like hyping up a tribute band as being as good as the original. Will be great atmosphere as Dublin games are but two very average teams who wouldnt live 10 minutes with the great teams of the 70s.

Both these teams are well above average.

Didn't know whether to laugh or cry when the draw was made.

Will put the fire in the belly anways. Gas the way it mirrors last year, when Tyrone were in the exact same position as Kerry. A couple of difference in that at least we are forewarned, there's no way any Dublin team could under-estimate Kerry, likewise the media will probably be split down the middle when it comes to predictions unlike last year when 90% went for the Dubs, and hopefully it will be played the bank holiday weekend as an extra week of inactivity would definitely be detrimental to the Dubs.

Its been so long since we beat Kerry, and we've beaten so few decent non-Leinster teams since 1995 that it's hard to be confident. The Dubs are showing better form, but if there is one thing certain about what will happen it is that Kerry will give their best performance of the year. The big uncertainty is will the Dubs step up to the plate...

Hopefully its on Saturday (suits me much better than any alternative), but before the draw was made Monday was being mentioned a lot in the media. I really think that Monday afternoon would not be appropriate given that so many GAA members in the north would not be able to watch the game. I wonder if Monday evening/night will be considered. 

Quote from: Hound on July 27, 2009, 08:09:27 AM
Didn't know whether to laugh or cry when the draw was made.

Will put the fire in the belly anways. Gas the way it mirrors last year, when Tyrone were in the exact same position as Kerry. A couple of difference in that at least we are forewarned, there's no way any Dublin team could under-estimate Dublin, likewise the media will probably be split down the middle when it comes to predictions unlike last year when 90% went for the Dubs, and hopefully it will be played the bank holiday weekend as an extra week of inactivity would definitely be detrimental to the Dubs.

Its been so long since we beat Kerry, and we've beaten so few decent non-Leinster teams since 1995 that it's hard to be confident. The Dubs are showing better form, but if there is one thing certain about what will happen it is that Kerry will give their best performance of the year. The big uncertainty is will the Dubs step up to the plate...

Hopefully its on Saturday (suits me much better than any alternative), but before the draw was made Monday was being mentioned a lot in the media. I really think that Monday afternoon would not be appropriate given that so many GAA members in the north would not be able to watch the game. I wonder if Monday evening/night will be considered. 

Dont think thats likely to happen!  :D

Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on July 27, 2009, 08:36:41 AM
Dont think thats likely to happen!  :D

Woops  :-[

Monday afternoon - should be confirmed today. Croke park isn't ready for the saturday. You'd have to ask the brains trust in Croke Park the logic of having music concerts in the middle of summer.

I know I've little hope, but please can we not have to listen to all the usual Dublin v Kerry guff this week. It feels like the articles are photocopied from past years, with the names of the current players changed to bring them up to date!

This could wake Kerry up, but I think Dublin will win this. They will then be favourites for the all ireland and Micky Harte will be a happy man. Mayo will then beat Dublin in a classic Semi, before choking and being thrown under the bus by Tyrone in the AI final.

And I will be gutted again.

Quote from: mc_grens on July 27, 2009, 09:46:05 AM
I know I've little hope, but please can we not have to listen to all the usual Dublin v Kerry guff this week. It feels like the articles are photocopied from past years, with the names of the current players changed to bring them up to date!

This could wake Kerry up, but I think Dublin will win this. They will then be favourites for the all ireland and Micky Harte will be a happy man. Mayo will then beat Dublin in a classic Semi, before choking and being thrown under the bus by Tyrone in the AI final.

And I will be gutted again.

The only thing that will make Dublin favourites is if Tyrone are beat.

While a couple of weeks of inactivity and still a bit of now knowing what their best starting XV actually is dampens Dublin down a wee bit, right now is the best time to meet kerry for them.
I dont think there will be much in it, though on a good day if Dublin get their tails up it could be a few points win .
However most will expect a high scoring close game. Cant wait.
Kerry could be dumped out at the end of this game though!

The GAA are still saying the pitch will be ready for Saturday. But I agree that they may wish to give themselves the extra 24 hours. Just ruins my after match pint plans  :-\

Quote from: INDIANA on July 27, 2009, 09:30:28 AM
Monday afternoon - should be confirmed today. Croke park isn't ready for the saturday. You'd have to ask the brains trust in Croke Park the logic of having music concerts in the middle of summer.

$

They need every shilling they can get in a recession economy. Hopefully, groundskeeping is at a such a level of ability now that they will be able to resod it successfully.

The only alternative revenue stream for Páirc an Chrócaigh Teo to summer concerts are the rugby and soccer internationals. I'm not saying that U2 are the greatest of Gaels, but at least these concerts aren't promoting competing codes.

when is this game gonna be then?

Quote from: INDIANA on July 27, 2009, 09:30:28 AM
Monday afternoon - should be confirmed today. Croke park isn't ready for the saturday. You'd have to ask the brains trust in Croke Park the logic of having music concerts in the middle of summer.

Best to contact the treasurer about that.

Quote from: mc_grens on July 27, 2009, 09:46:05 AM
I know I've little hope, but please can we not have to listen to all the usual Dublin v Kerry guff this week. It feels like the articles are photocopied from past years, with the names of the current players changed to bring them up to date!

This could wake Kerry up, but I think Dublin will win this. They will then be favourites for the all ireland and Micky Harte will be a happy man. Mayo will then beat Dublin in a classic Semi, before choking and being thrown under the bus by Tyrone in the AI final.

And I will be gutted again.

Yeah, Sure we will... ::)

This one has the potential to be a massive bannana skin for the Dubs.
Kerry have nothing to lose. Thier camps in disaray (if we believe the stories) & as usual the southern media have hyped up Dublin on the back of winning another unchallenged Leinster Championship. They hadnt any tough games throughout & this leads your Journo's to proclaim "Dubs for Sam" ........again!!!
Dublin have a soft touch about them when they come up against proper tough footballing teams. Last year they had already beat Tyrone in their heads & got played off the park.
I think Kerry will want to show people that they arent done & Croke Park is the perfect setting for them. They havent played well at all but are just doing enough to get by in games.
But to be honest I think that if Tyrone win their next game its a another All Ireland to The Red Hands. Currently the best footballing team in the country by a mile & a work ethic that allows them to grind teams down & over power them with tenacious defending & all out attacks from every quarter ( even their corner backs have scored).
People may say the Dubs for this one but If I was from the capital Id be very wary of the sleeping giant that is Kerry

Jeez but some lads talk a load of horseshit and they give out about the likes of Tommy Lyons!!! For starters, Dublin were put to the pin of their collar by Kildare so it wasn't a cake walk for Dublin in Leinster. Dublin hammered Westmeath, the conquerors of Wicklow who put a third of the Ulster counties out of the championship. Secondly Dublin have generally been only beaten by the AI champions in the past number of years (Mayo being the exception) they drew with Tyrone and were only beaten by a point or two by Kerry in two of those years so they have been very close to the best more often than not. They have improved this year and have a better bench to call on, in Bernard Brogan they finally have a top class finisher and many of their players are playing well.

Of course they may lose to Kerry next weekend but every team in the country would be in danger of that, however I expect them to put Kerry to the sword because they have improved from last year while Kerry have gone back. The only reason I don't think Dublin can win the AI is their back six but they are capable of beating any team in the country on a given day. Some lads need to stop reaching for the bland generalities of SG panalists and start thinking for themselves. Tyrone aren't miles ahead of the rest, in fact I think they haven't looked great themselves this year but if they do win this years AI it will be a great achievement as they'll have to beat Kildare, Cork (IMO) and Dublin(IMO) and that is a very tough path.

Pretty much the worst possible draw for Dublin.

One they could very well lose as Kerry may well have at least one big performance in them. Having said that I think Kerry will not reach the heights they have over the last few years and even if they make a final I would fancy Tyrone or Cork to take them.

However if Dublin win - Jesus the hype will go crazy - the first time in 32 yrs the beat Kerry - the first time in yrs they beat a decent team in the AI series. That will not be good for Dublin, however Tyrone, Cork and whoever comes out of Limerick/Meath/Mayo will love it.

Going on form you would have to make Dublin favourites - however if Donaghy is back that could spell serious trouble for Dublin. Forget all the stuff about the O'Sé's and Gooch, Donaghy is now the talisman for Kerry. He's a good player, provides direction to there attacks and gives Kerry a kind of carefree attitude that no one else seem to supply on that team - it's as if he's the only one who still enjoys playing football (with the exception of Kennelly - who has yet to fire and Galvin - who had a summer off and has dragged the team along this year but prob isn't a good enough pure footballer to beat the best teams on his own). It's no fluke that the only good half of football Kerry played this year was the one full half Donaghy played

The worst possible draw for Dublin for a number of reasons....

1 - It will bring a load of hype around which we don't need....Ideally let the hype settle on Tyrone/Cork shoulders
2 - If we win it will just go off the charts which again we don't need...I would sooner go through as quietly as possible
3 - If there is any team that will pull Kerry together to beat it is Dublin and I don't want to get caught like last year...

Wouldn't be too worried about Donaghy as he won't be match fit at all and 2 years ago he didn't cause too many problems....It would suit Dublin best if Kerry play Donaghy/Walsh at full forward as that would be the ideal match up for Bastic

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Seriously though, this is a much improved Dublin team for the previous four years. Big advantage the year, no Pillar. I can see them winning this game and making it to the final.

Quote from: ziggysego on July 27, 2009, 12:11:09 PM

DUBLIN FOR SAM - HYPE HYPE HYPE!

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Seriously though, this is a much improved Dublin team for the previous four years. Big advantage the year, no Pillar. I can see them winning this game and making it to the final.

even if they play tyrone in the semi?

Not a good draw for Dublin, the hype will encourage Kerry. Even if Kerry can't raise their game enough, Dublin will be crowned champions after the Kerry game and will be vulnerable to a last minute surge by Mayo (or their replacements), to say nothing of the AI final.

Quote from: fred the red on July 27, 2009, 12:14:18 PM

Quote from: ziggysego on July 27, 2009, 12:11:09 PM

DUBLIN FOR SAM - HYPE HYPE HYPE!

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Seriously though, this is a much improved Dublin team for the previous four years. Big advantage the year, no Pillar. I can see them winning this game and making it to the final.

even if they play tyrone in the semi?

Shit, is that the way the draw falls?

QuoteShit, is that the way the draw falls?

No Tyrone will play Cork and Dublin play Mayo (or their replacements).

Quote from: armaghniac on July 27, 2009, 12:21:43 PM

QuoteShit, is that the way the draw falls?

No Tyrone will play Cork and Dublin play Mayo (or their replacements).

aw ok- my mistake, thought it was an open draw.

cork dublin final.

Quote from: armaghniac on July 27, 2009, 12:21:43 PM

QuoteShit, is that the way the draw falls?

No Tyrone will play Cork and Dublin play Mayo (or their replacements).

That's what I thought. Fred made me doubt myself  >:(

Quote from: ziggysego on July 27, 2009, 12:25:37 PM

Quote from: armaghniac on July 27, 2009, 12:21:43 PM

QuoteShit, is that the way the draw falls?

No Tyrone will play Cork and Dublin play Mayo (or their replacements).

That's what I thought. Fred made me doubt myself  >:(

ziggy what is your picture of ?

i have been looking at it the last 2mins and cant work it out

Ziggy the Hybrid computer from Quantum Leap. Not to be confused with the handlink.

Quote from: ziggysego on July 27, 2009, 12:31:25 PM
Ziggy the Hybrid computer from Quantum Leap. Not to be confused with the handlink.

i never would have got that 1!

Quote1 - It will bring a load of hype around which we don't need....Ideally let the hype settle on Tyrone/Cork shoulders
2 - If we win it will just go off the charts which again we don't need...I would sooner go through as quietly as possible
3 - If there is any team that will pull Kerry together to beat it is Dublin and I don't want to get caught like last year...

I just can't understand this type of thinking. There is always hype with Dublin teams but Dublin haven't failed to win Sam since 1995 because of hype but because of a lack of quality. Anyway there is hype in other counties too you know and in most of those counties everyone in the whole county knows who the players are and where they work and live which brings its own pressure. As for your third point I give you Cork and Tyrone as another two teams that would have galvinized Kerry just as much, probably more in fact as those two teams have beaten this Kerry squad in important games.

If Dublin are good enough to win Sam they have to beat the likes of Kerry, so they may as well meet them now, if Kerry can't focus Dublin minds then they may as well finish their seaon this weekend as they aren't worth a damn anyway.

Quote from: Zulu on July 27, 2009, 12:40:38 PM

Quote1 - It will bring a load of hype around which we don't need....Ideally let the hype settle on Tyrone/Cork shoulders
2 - If we win it will just go off the charts which again we don't need...I would sooner go through as quietly as possible
3 - If there is any team that will pull Kerry together to beat it is Dublin and I don't want to get caught like last year...

I just can't understand this type of thinking. There is always hype with Dublin teams but Dublin haven't failed to win Sam since 1995 because of hype but because of a lack of quality. Anyway there is hype in other counties too you know and in most of those counties everyone in the whole county knows who the players are and where they work and live which brings its own pressure. As for your third point I give you Cork and Tyrone as another two teams that would have galvinized Kerry just as much, probably more in fact as those two teams have beaten this Kerry squad in important games.

If Dublin are good enough to win Sam they have to beat the likes of Kerry, so they may as well meet them now, if Kerry can't focus Dublin minds then they may as well finish their seaon this weekend as they aren't worth a damn anyway.

I'm delighted with the draw because as you say above, if we're good enough we may as well play them now as in the final - if we do manage to beat Kerry, it'll also lay down a nice marker and give the panel a huge boost.

Madness having Dubs as favourites though..

In all fairness the Dubs have to be favourites

This is the time to get Kerry, not later in the season when they have picked up a bit of momentum.
Kerry are weaker than I have seen them in a long time & only a few fortunate draws in the qualifiers have got them where they are

Kerrys recent run reminds me of Tyrone last year dont forget everyone had Tyrone written off up to the q/f against the Dubs! This is the game Kerry folk would have hoped for!

This Quarter Final will clearly produce one of the All-Ireland Finalists and therefore this will be the game of the season thus far.

With less than a week to go I think all of the Irish media should forget about other stories, this is the big one. The winners will rightly be considered one of the greatest teams in the history of the Gaa and should be given a bye in the semi-final as there is no real point in dragging 80,000 people out for a non-event.

The Gaa should mark the occasion with a fireworks display and replace the Artane Boys Band with the players from the great Dublin and Kerry teams of the 1970s & 1980s. Wouldn't it be great seeing the old greats leading the new ones around the stadium just before the throw in?

when was the last time dublin beat kerry in championship football? 1977?

Will I'm afraid be treated to a deluge of Cute Kerry Hoorism and Slieveenism over the next week. A great draw imo for Kerry....... wil really galvanize them...... no way Cooper and O Se will be on the sideline for this one. Dublin primed for the ambush (yet again). Will be tight imo but really hope that the Dublin forwards keep the ball low if they get a goal chance. Have a feeling that there will be sendings off here.

From a Dublin perspective a win would be great (obviously) and lead to the mother and father of all grudge games v mayo (if they win).

Will put money on Keaney for first goal.

Quote from: kevmy on July 27, 2009, 11:49:38 AM
Pretty much the worst possible draw for Dublin.

One they could very well lose as Kerry may well have at least one big performance in them. Having said that I think Kerry will not reach the heights they have over the last few years and even if they make a final I would fancy Tyrone or Cork to take them.

However if Dublin win - Jesus the hype will go crazy - the first time in 32 yrs the beat Kerry - the first time in yrs they beat a decent team in the AI series. That will not be good for Dublin, however Tyrone, Cork and whoever comes out of Limerick/Meath/Mayo will love it.

Going on form you would have to make Dublin favourites - however if Donaghy is back that could spell serious trouble for Dublin. Forget all the stuff about the O'Sé's and Gooch, Donaghy is now the talisman for Kerry. He's a good player, provides direction to there attacks and gives Kerry a kind of carefree attitude that no one else seem to supply on that team - it's as if he's the only one who still enjoys playing football (with the exception of Kennelly - who has yet to fire and Galvin - who had a summer off and has dragged the team along this year but prob isn't a good enough pure footballer to beat the best teams on his own). It's no fluke that the only good half of football Kerry played this year was the one full half Donaghy played

Can't agree Dublin would be the worst possible draw for Mayo. Because Dublin won't allow themselves to be beaten by mayo again- one way or another after 2006. I know the Dublin lads are gunning for Mayo after 2006 but it may not even happen after yesterdays draw.
As well as that Mayo would have huge motivation going into a semi against Kerry after previous hammerings. And I would fancy Mayo to beat Kerry in that scenario.
This is the best chance we'll get of beating Kerry- if we can't do it this time round then thats it for this current Dublin team. We will just have been not good enough and will have to rebuild in a few areas. Likewise if Dublin beat kerry then thats the end of this current kerry team and probably O Connor as well.

Regarding sending offs ..I can see a paddy Power Special pisstake of the one player practicing sportsmanship ad ...

Darragh O Se and Ciaran Whelan both to get sent off  10/1
Darragh O Se - Yellow Card Evens
Ciaran Whelan - Yellow Card Evens

Match on Monday next 3d august 2009. 2pm. Hope the Dublin v Down minor game precedes it.

Its not- dublin v down is on saturday. A double header in Breffni.

Quote from: Canalman on July 27, 2009, 01:40:47 PM
Match on Monday next 3d august 2009. 2pm. Hope the Dublin v Down minor game precedes it.

Already fixed for Cavan on Saturday although may possibly be in doubt due to the outbreak of swine flu on the Down team. Can't see why they would change it otherwise though.

Bit annoyed that I am going to kmiss the match since I will be in work at the time, but ah well.

Quote from: Zulu on July 27, 2009, 12:40:38 PM

Quote1 - It will bring a load of hype around which we don't need....Ideally let the hype settle on Tyrone/Cork shoulders
2 - If we win it will just go off the charts which again we don't need...I would sooner go through as quietly as possible
3 - If there is any team that will pull Kerry together to beat it is Dublin and I don't want to get caught like last year...

I just can't understand this type of thinking. There is always hype with Dublin teams but Dublin haven't failed to win Sam since 1995 because of hype but because of a lack of quality. Anyway there is hype in other counties too you know and in most of those counties everyone in the whole county knows who the players are and where they work and live which brings its own pressure. As for your third point I give you Cork and Tyrone as another two teams that would have galvinized Kerry just as much, probably more in fact as those two teams have beaten this Kerry squad in important games.

If Dublin are good enough to win Sam they have to beat the likes of Kerry, so they may as well meet them now, if Kerry can't focus Dublin minds then they may as well finish their seaon this weekend as they aren't worth a damn anyway.

Kerry know they can beat Cork in Croke Park as losing a Munster game has happened before and they have come back....Yes they would focus against Tyrone but at least Tyrone are known to be a serious top class team whereas we would be known as a bunch of bottlers and they couldn't accept losing to us and facing the folk at home.....

If you are good enough to win it means you have to be there on the last day of the season with a chance to win....Playing Kerry reduces our chances of making it....Its like last year where Tyrone were brutal, lost to Down after a replay, fluked past Westmeath in Omagh, were blessed against Mayo who threw the game away, got the break with the extra week off last year and beat us and went on to win the final...In knock-out it can just be a bit of bad luck that costs a team the game and you are out.....If your arguement holds up then a win going through Kildare, Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone is just as easy as going through Kildare, Limerick, Meath, Donegal...

This could be embarassing for us lads  ....we are preceding the "Real All Ireland Final":

ESB GAA Football All Ireland Minor Championship
Quarter Finals
Páirc an Chrócaigh 12.00pm Ciarraí v Ros Comáin
Referee: TBC
(E.T. if Necessary)

Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 01:45:38 PM

Quote from: Zulu on July 27, 2009, 12:40:38 PM

Quote1 - It will bring a load of hype around which we don't need....Ideally let the hype settle on Tyrone/Cork shoulders
2 - If we win it will just go off the charts which again we don't need...I would sooner go through as quietly as possible
3 - If there is any team that will pull Kerry together to beat it is Dublin and I don't want to get caught like last year...

I just can't understand this type of thinking. There is always hype with Dublin teams but Dublin haven't failed to win Sam since 1995 because of hype but because of a lack of quality. Anyway there is hype in other counties too you know and in most of those counties everyone in the whole county knows who the players are and where they work and live which brings its own pressure. As for your third point I give you Cork and Tyrone as another two teams that would have galvinized Kerry just as much, probably more in fact as those two teams have beaten this Kerry squad in important games.

If Dublin are good enough to win Sam they have to beat the likes of Kerry, so they may as well meet them now, if Kerry can't focus Dublin minds then they may as well finish their seaon this weekend as they aren't worth a damn anyway.

Kerry know they can beat Cork in Croke Park as losing a Munster game has happened before and they have come back....Yes they would focus against Tyrone but at least Tyrone are known to be a serious top class team whereas we would be known as a bunch of bottlers and they couldn't accept losing to us and facing the folk at home.....

If you are good enough to win it means you have to be there on the last day of the season with a chance to win....Playing Kerry reduces our chances of making it....Its like last year where Tyrone were brutal, lost to Down after a replay, fluked past Westmeath in Omagh, were blessed against Mayo who threw the game away, got the break with the extra week off last year and beat us and went on to win the final...In knock-out it can just be a bit of bad luck that costs a team the game and you are out.....If your arguement holds up then a win going through Kildare, Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone is just as easy as going through Kildare, Limerick, Meath, Donegal...

Making excuses DSFM. We're either good enough or we're not. If we got a soft run to the final- I don't think we'd win anyway. All all-ireland winners in the last 5 years have been severely tested prior to the final. We had a decent game against Kildare- but it wasn't a knock out game. We had non-events vs Meath and Westmeath. 2 serious games against Kerry and Mayo would prepare us in spades for the slugfest vs Tyrone in the final.
Games against Limerick and Meath wouldn't. No disrespect to either.

Quote from: INDIANA on July 27, 2009, 01:53:19 PM

Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 01:45:38 PM

Quote from: Zulu on July 27, 2009, 12:40:38 PM

Quote1 - It will bring a load of hype around which we don't need....Ideally let the hype settle on Tyrone/Cork shoulders
2 - If we win it will just go off the charts which again we don't need...I would sooner go through as quietly as possible
3 - If there is any team that will pull Kerry together to beat it is Dublin and I don't want to get caught like last year...

I just can't understand this type of thinking. There is always hype with Dublin teams but Dublin haven't failed to win Sam since 1995 because of hype but because of a lack of quality. Anyway there is hype in other counties too you know and in most of those counties everyone in the whole county knows who the players are and where they work and live which brings its own pressure. As for your third point I give you Cork and Tyrone as another two teams that would have galvinized Kerry just as much, probably more in fact as those two teams have beaten this Kerry squad in important games.

If Dublin are good enough to win Sam they have to beat the likes of Kerry, so they may as well meet them now, if Kerry can't focus Dublin minds then they may as well finish their seaon this weekend as they aren't worth a damn anyway.

Kerry know they can beat Cork in Croke Park as losing a Munster game has happened before and they have come back....Yes they would focus against Tyrone but at least Tyrone are known to be a serious top class team whereas we would be known as a bunch of bottlers and they couldn't accept losing to us and facing the folk at home.....

If you are good enough to win it means you have to be there on the last day of the season with a chance to win....Playing Kerry reduces our chances of making it....Its like last year where Tyrone were brutal, lost to Down after a replay, fluked past Westmeath in Omagh, were blessed against Mayo who threw the game away, got the break with the extra week off last year and beat us and went on to win the final...In knock-out it can just be a bit of bad luck that costs a team the game and you are out.....If your arguement holds up then a win going through Kildare, Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone is just as easy as going through Kildare, Limerick, Meath, Donegal...

Making excuses DSFM. We're either good enough or we're not. If we got a soft run to the final- I don't think we'd win anyway. All all-ireland winners in the last 5 years have been severely tested prior to the final. We had a decent game against Kildare- but it wasn't a knock out game. We had non-events vs Meath and Westmeath. 2 serious games against Kerry and Mayo would prepare us in spades for the slugfest vs Tyrone in the final.
Games against Limerick and Meath wouldn't. No disrespect to either.

Not making excuses (I just don't think that we can afford to think that the best way to win an All-Ireland is to play the best teams in every round)....Tyrone got a few easy draws last year, Kerry this year, Kerry in 06 etc and still won Sam...Tyrone haven't had a tough game in the championship so how will the final be a slugfest if  they have had it easy?? They could quite easily get beaten by Cork and not be there...Most teams seem to have to lose to win the All-Ireland that year and its just unfortunate we lose when the knock-outs are around....

Limerick would be a very tough match for us as can be seen by their performacnes against Cork in the last 2 years (who you rate highly I think)...would have been a very tough physical game against a very strong defence and midfield with a couple of decent forwards...

I am surprised with the game being on Bank Holiday Monday...

QuoteI am surprised with the game being on Bank Holiday Monday...

Not at all. The alternative was the Saturday, this way they get an extra day to put the the pitch back.

Quote from: armaghniac on July 27, 2009, 02:15:03 PM

QuoteI am surprised with the game being on Bank Holiday Monday...

Not at all. The alternative was the Saturday, this way they get an extra day to put the the pitch back.

its a big drive for the Kerry lads on a monday with work the next day...

Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 02:02:33 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on July 27, 2009, 01:53:19 PM

Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 01:45:38 PM

Quote from: Zulu on July 27, 2009, 12:40:38 PM

Quote1 - It will bring a load of hype around which we don't need....Ideally let the hype settle on Tyrone/Cork shoulders
2 - If we win it will just go off the charts which again we don't need...I would sooner go through as quietly as possible
3 - If there is any team that will pull Kerry together to beat it is Dublin and I don't want to get caught like last year...

I just can't understand this type of thinking. There is always hype with Dublin teams but Dublin haven't failed to win Sam since 1995 because of hype but because of a lack of quality. Anyway there is hype in other counties too you know and in most of those counties everyone in the whole county knows who the players are and where they work and live which brings its own pressure. As for your third point I give you Cork and Tyrone as another two teams that would have galvinized Kerry just as much, probably more in fact as those two teams have beaten this Kerry squad in important games.

If Dublin are good enough to win Sam they have to beat the likes of Kerry, so they may as well meet them now, if Kerry can't focus Dublin minds then they may as well finish their seaon this weekend as they aren't worth a damn anyway.

Kerry know they can beat Cork in Croke Park as losing a Munster game has happened before and they have come back....Yes they would focus against Tyrone but at least Tyrone are known to be a serious top class team whereas we would be known as a bunch of bottlers and they couldn't accept losing to us and facing the folk at home.....

If you are good enough to win it means you have to be there on the last day of the season with a chance to win....Playing Kerry reduces our chances of making it....Its like last year where Tyrone were brutal, lost to Down after a replay, fluked past Westmeath in Omagh, were blessed against Mayo who threw the game away, got the break with the extra week off last year and beat us and went on to win the final...In knock-out it can just be a bit of bad luck that costs a team the game and you are out.....If your arguement holds up then a win going through Kildare, Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone is just as easy as going through Kildare, Limerick, Meath, Donegal...

Making excuses DSFM. We're either good enough or we're not. If we got a soft run to the final- I don't think we'd win anyway. All all-ireland winners in the last 5 years have been severely tested prior to the final. We had a decent game against Kildare- but it wasn't a knock out game. We had non-events vs Meath and Westmeath. 2 serious games against Kerry and Mayo would prepare us in spades for the slugfest vs Tyrone in the final.
Games against Limerick and Meath wouldn't. No disrespect to either.

Not making excuses (I just don't think that we can afford to think that the best way to win an All-Ireland is to play the best teams in every round)....Tyrone got a few easy draws last year, Kerry this year, Kerry in 06 etc and still won Sam...Tyrone haven't had a tough game in the championship so how will the final be a slugfest if  they have had it easy?? They could quite easily get beaten by Cork and not be there...Most teams seem to have to lose to win the All-Ireland that year and its just unfortunate we lose when the knock-outs are around....

Limerick would be a very tough match for us as can be seen by their performacnes against Cork in the last 2 years (who you rate highly I think)...would have been a very tough physical game against a very strong defence and midfield with a couple of decent forwards...

DFS1 you seem to put an unhealthy amount of value in the past, both Cork and Dublin are better teams than they have been in the past 10 years, and neither should fear anyone. As in any sport any team can get beaten but Dublin shouldn't fear anyone or worry about 'hype'. There is no golden rule to winning Sam some teams win it after very tough paths and others after easier ones (I don't think there is any easy path anymore) but if Dublin are good enough to win the AI they'll have to beat Kerry and probably Mayo to get the chance. IMO that is good for them as they'll either prove to everyone that they are capable of playing the best while at the same time finding out what weaknesses they have or they'll get knocked out and ye can get back to club football.

As it happens I think the two best teams in the country are on the other side (Tyrone and Cork) so if Dublin do get there they'll still have to face their biggest challenge, no disrespect to Donegal or Kildare intended (both of whom I think have a chance in the QF). This is a good draw for Dublin and I think they'll prove to the country that they can live with the best, they have already IMO, but next Monday they'll show they can beat them as well.

Quote from: Tankie on July 27, 2009, 02:28:38 PM

Quote from: armaghniac on July 27, 2009, 02:15:03 PM

QuoteI am surprised with the game being on Bank Holiday Monday...

Not at all. The alternative was the Saturday, this way they get an extra day to put the the pitch back.

its a big drive for the Kerry lads on a monday with work the next day...

No different than a normal Sunday with work the next day.

Any word on tickets going on sale on ticketmaster?

Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 02:02:33 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on July 27, 2009, 01:53:19 PM

Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 01:45:38 PM

Quote from: Zulu on July 27, 2009, 12:40:38 PM

Quote1 - It will bring a load of hype around which we don't need....Ideally let the hype settle on Tyrone/Cork shoulders
2 - If we win it will just go off the charts which again we don't need...I would sooner go through as quietly as possible
3 - If there is any team that will pull Kerry together to beat it is Dublin and I don't want to get caught like last year...

I just can't understand this type of thinking. There is always hype with Dublin teams but Dublin haven't failed to win Sam since 1995 because of hype but because of a lack of quality. Anyway there is hype in other counties too you know and in most of those counties everyone in the whole county knows who the players are and where they work and live which brings its own pressure. As for your third point I give you Cork and Tyrone as another two teams that would have galvinized Kerry just as much, probably more in fact as those two teams have beaten this Kerry squad in important games.

If Dublin are good enough to win Sam they have to beat the likes of Kerry, so they may as well meet them now, if Kerry can't focus Dublin minds then they may as well finish their seaon this weekend as they aren't worth a damn anyway.

Kerry know they can beat Cork in Croke Park as losing a Munster game has happened before and they have come back....Yes they would focus against Tyrone but at least Tyrone are known to be a serious top class team whereas we would be known as a bunch of bottlers and they couldn't accept losing to us and facing the folk at home.....

If you are good enough to win it means you have to be there on the last day of the season with a chance to win....Playing Kerry reduces our chances of making it....Its like last year where Tyrone were brutal, lost to Down after a replay, fluked past Westmeath in Omagh, were blessed against Mayo who threw the game away, got the break with the extra week off last year and beat us and went on to win the final...In knock-out it can just be a bit of bad luck that costs a team the game and you are out.....If your arguement holds up then a win going through Kildare, Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone is just as easy as going through Kildare, Limerick, Meath, Donegal...

Making excuses DSFM. We're either good enough or we're not. If we got a soft run to the final- I don't think we'd win anyway. All all-ireland winners in the last 5 years have been severely tested prior to the final. We had a decent game against Kildare- but it wasn't a knock out game. We had non-events vs Meath and Westmeath. 2 serious games against Kerry and Mayo would prepare us in spades for the slugfest vs Tyrone in the final.
Games against Limerick and Meath wouldn't. No disrespect to either.

Not making excuses (I just don't think that we can afford to think that the best way to win an All-Ireland is to play the best teams in every round)....Tyrone got a few easy draws last year, Kerry this year, Kerry in 06 etc and still won Sam...Tyrone haven't had a tough game in the championship so how will the final be a slugfest if  they have had it easy?? They could quite easily get beaten by Cork and not be there...Most teams seem to have to lose to win the All-Ireland that year and its just unfortunate we lose when the knock-outs are around....

Limerick would be a very tough match for us as can be seen by their performacnes against Cork in the last 2 years (who you rate highly I think)...would have been a very tough physical game against a very strong defence and midfield with a couple of decent forwards...

Tyrone had to beat the likes of Dublin and Mayo to get there last year. They'll have to beat Kildare and Cork to get there this year. You're not seriouisly suggesting Cork wouldn't test them at least?

I think Kerry and Mayo are better teams that Limerick. Limerick are a good side but are about 4 subs short of being a top 6 team. They have no-one to bring on beyond the 15 at the moment. That was seen against Cork.
I couldn't see a better way to prepare for a final then 2 tough games. If we don't get there then we aren't good enough anyway.

Zulu,
Firstly those you claim are talking "Horseshit" (quite a few on here of same opinion) are talking quite a lot of sense based on fact!
Wicklow have beaten Cavan & Down this year & you use this as justification that Leinster is a strong Provincial Championship that tests the Dubs for the quarters?
In Leinster theres the Dubs & maybe one other team each year who breeze through hammering teams out of sight.
Well then how can a Dublin team not beat a Tyrone side unable to beat a poor Down team in 2008 Ulster Championship & in fact got hammered?
People arent making conslusions based on the views of Spillane, Tohill, Brolly or anyone else on the Sunday Game they are looking at previous times when the Dubs themselves along with the media have hyped them up to win Sam to such an extent that other teams probably shouldnt have turned up! (2006 Mayo & Tyrone 2008 comes to mind)
Dublin have fallen into the trap of believing their own hype too many times & it has come back to bite them hard.
In no other County does this occur in my opionion not in Kerry, Cork, Armagh, Tyrone or anywere else. People like Pillar Caffrey & Tommy Lyons have used the media to tell everyone "trash talk" at other teams & try to psyche them out but in general it fails miserably.
I actually hope Dublin beat Kerry but to do so tey are gonna have to have 6 forwards on song & a defence that like Tyrone hunts like demons to turn ball over.
For once Kerry teams get to Croker they develop a swagger & confidence that drives them to perform & prove once again that this is the stage they belong at!
So chill out enjoy the game & relax on the being overly defensive!
Nobody is out to get the Dubs.....In fact I think the majority would love  thriller that has us all on the edge of our seats!

You can be the best team in the country and have 1 bad day and not win the All-Ireland, any team can be beaten on any day by anyone if they play the game of their lives....Do I think that having to beat Kerry in the qtr-finals makes it more likely or less likely that we will win the All-Ireland than playing Limerick/Meath/Donegal - of course it reduces our chances....If and I stress If we beat Kerry it will be a big boost but I maintain a game against Limerick/Meath and then playing Mayo/Donegal would create a far better chance of winning Sam than having to go through Kerry first....

Tyrone for example who people are claiming to be the team of the decade, one of the best teams ever have been knocked out by Laois/Mayo and even Sligo etc does that mean that these teams were better teams or just better on the day??? They were beaten by Down last year...does that mean Down were the better team or just better on the day...

QuoteZulu,
Firstly those you claim are talking "Horseshit" (quite a few on here of same opinion) are talking quite a lot of sense based on fact!

I wasn't having a go at you guevara, your post was just the last of a few that I disagree with and reflected the views of some others I have spoken to. However I do think that your view and those of a similar view isn't really based on fact but on preconceptions.

QuoteWicklow have beaten Cavan & Down this year & you use this as justification that Leinster is a strong Provincial Championship that tests the Dubs for the quarters?

They beat Fermanagh too and I never said Leinster was strong but I was pointing out that a division 4 Leinster side had knocked out 3 teams from the (supposedly) strongest province in Ireland, one of who were in the provincial final last year and another beat Tyrone last year. So it is fair to say that Ulster isn't as strong as some would have you believe and Leinster isn't as weak (3 teams in the last 9). You are also beating Dublin with a stick made by Tommy Lyons, what went on under him and Pillar has nothing to do with teh current Dublin team and you might be aware that they have a very differnet team than even last year. In addition they have ann injury free Bernard Brogan which is a huge boost to their chances. This year Dublin have come through a provincial championship just as difficult as Tyrone's run, in fact every one of Tyrone's opponents are already gone from the championship while two of Dublin's three opponents are stll there.

The point I'm making is it is a poorly thought out argument to say the Dubs are 'over hyped', Leinster is weak, Ulster is competitive, Tyrone 'hunt like demons', Dublin 'trash talk' etc. when most of those generalities are either no longer true or are only partly true.

I do agree though that I hope it is a thriller and I fully expect the game to deliever on this.

QuoteYou can be the best team in the country and have 1 bad day and not win the All-Ireland, any team can be beaten on any day by anyone if they play the game of their lives....Do I think that having to beat Kerry in the qtr-finals makes it more likely or less likely that we will win the All-Ireland than playing Limerick/Meath/Donegal - of course it reduces our chances....If and I stress If we beat Kerry it will be a big boost but I maintain a game against Limerick/Meath and then playing Mayo/Donegal would create a far better chance of winning Sam than having to go through Kerry first....

Tyrone for example who people are claiming to be the team of the decade, one of the best teams ever have been knocked out by Laois/Mayo and even Sligo etc does that mean that these teams were better teams or just better on the day??? They were beaten by Down last year...does that mean Down were the better team or just better on the day...

So to follow your argument through Dublin could also be beaten on a given day by Limerick, Meath or Donegal so what does it matter who they play?

Quote from: comethekingdom on July 27, 2009, 03:07:59 PM
Any word on tickets going on sale on ticketmaster?

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Well its a pretty well known fact that teams like Armagh & Tyrone have developed the art of tackling to a degree that now every team in the Country is trying to adopt their tactics!
Over the past few years nobody has tackled the way the Tyrone boys do. Guys like Dooher, Cavanagh, Hughes, McGinley & now Mulligan not only play around the middle thrid & get forward but its not uncommon to see them in the fullback line tackling.
In my opinion not a lot of other teams in the country (maybe Cork) have that same work ethic to be willing to chase 60 yards so an opposing forward faces two Tyrone guys as opposed to one!
It isnt a blanket defence they have developed its a willingness to get forward & defend in equal proportion & requires huge fitness levels.
They are the benchmark that teams measure themselves against & rightly so! They arent like Kerry with 10 or 12 supremely gifted footballers & few grafters added in they are 15 fellas who look mediocre enough in some positions but their gameplan & application of themselves to the cause of Tyrone is admireable! As a Down man that hurts to say but up in Ulster there arent too many Gaels that would begrudge Tyrone another All Ireland on the basis of the way they play the game!
My woryy for teams like Dublin is that they fall into the trap of taking their eye off the ball in terms of taking each game as it comes. Forget about the final until you actually make it then & only then should you talk about potential Champions!!

QuoteWell its a pretty well known fact that teams like Armagh & Tyrone have developed the art of tackling to a degree that now every team in the Country is trying to adopt their tactics!
Over the past few years nobody has tackled the way the Tyrone boys do. Guys like Dooher, Cavanagh, Hughes, McGinley & now Mulligan not only play around the middle thrid & get forward but its not uncommon to see them in the fullback line tackling.
In my opinion not a lot of other teams in the country (maybe Cork) have that same work ethic to be willing to chase 60 yards so an opposing forward faces two Tyrone guys as opposed to one!
It isnt a blanket defence they have developed its a willingness to get forward & defend in equal proportion & requires huge fitness levels.
They are the benchmark that teams measure themselves against & rightly so! They arent like Kerry with 10 or 12 supremely gifted footballers & few grafters added in they are 15 fellas who look mediocre enough in some positions but their gameplan & application of themselves to the cause of Tyrone is admireable! As a Down man that hurts to say but up in Ulster there arent too many Gaels that would begrudge Tyrone another All Ireland on the basis of the way they play the game!

I'd have to say I disagree with that, yes Tyrone and Armagh were the first to develop tackling to such a fine art but they are far from the only ones doing it now, John doyle was to be found in his own defence last Saturday night and Cork, Dublin, Kerry and Mayo all work very hard as well. I haven't seen much of Meath or Donegal but I know Limerick work extremely hard too, so I don't think Tyrone work significantly harder than the other teams left in the AI and therefore that isn't a major advantage for them. I'd also disagree with your description of Tyrone as 15 fellas who 'look mediocre in some positions', in fact their major strength is that they look exceptional in so many positions and in O'Neill, Cavanagh, Dooher, Jordan etc. they have some truely outstanding players.

I think Jack O'Connor would be well served switching Tommy Walsh and Declan O'Sullivan next Monday. Alan Smith had Denis Bastic in a lot of trouble in the Leinster Final before the ball going in dried up in the second half, I think Declan O'Sullivan could do likewise. He started off his Kerry career as a full forward and played there for Coláiste na Sceilge. Playing Walsh in on the edge of the square will suit Bastic and play into Dublin's hands. Putting Walsh out on the forty will also test Bryan Cullen by putting him on the back foot - something Kildare failed to do to our cost.

I've a feeling Kerry could finally click into gear on Monday. Should be a cracker.

Zulu I clearly said this was an art developed by Armagh/Tyrone & NOW HALF THE COUNTRY IS TRYING TO ADOPT IT!!!!  :D
John Doyle is managed & coached by two Armagh men, Kieran McGeeney & Paul Grimley!
If you look at Tyrones team last year their supporters were in uproar in early stages of the Championship & some were actually calling for Harte to go as a result of him firlding boys in unfamiliar positions. Cavanagh at Full Forward , McMahon at Half Forward etc.
They have players who are able to adapt themselves to positions they might never have played before in order to fulfill a specific role for the team.

Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 12:04:46 PM
The worst possible draw for Dublin for a number of reasons....

1 - It will bring a load of hype around which we don't need....Ideally let the hype settle on Tyrone/Cork shoulders
2 - If we win it will just go off the charts which again we don't need...I would sooner go through as quietly as possible
3 - If there is any team that will pull Kerry together to beat it is Dublin and I don't want to get caught like last year...

Wouldn't be too worried about Donaghy as he won't be match fit at all and 2 years ago he didn't cause too many problems....It would suit Dublin best if Kerry play Donaghy/Walsh at full forward as that would be the ideal match up for Bastic

couldnt agree more, its a great draw for kerry. i would have marginally preferred tyrone as to get that out of the way one way or another, cork would have been the one i wanted least as they owe kerry big time and finally have a team that can deliver but the dubs are a win/not too bad if we lose kind of scenario. kerry will be right up for it on their favourite turf in front of a sea of blue. if that doesnt get them going and if they win the momentum to go all the way nothing will.

Quote from: guevara on July 27, 2009, 05:55:33 PM
Zulu I clearly said this was an art developed by Armagh/Tyrone & NOW HALF THE COUNTRY IS TRYING TO ADOPT IT!!!!  :D
John Doyle is managed & coached by two Armagh men, Kieran McGeeney & Paul Grimley!
If you look at Tyrones team last year their supporters were in uproar in early stages of the Championship & some were actually calling for Harte to go as a result of him firlding boys in unfamiliar positions. Cavanagh at Full Forward , McMahon at Half Forward etc.
They have players who are able to adapt themselves to positions they might never have played before in order to fulfill a specific role for the team.

Didn't mad Jack say in his book that in went up north to learn drills etc from an Ulster coach to copy Tyrone... never found out who that coach was... dom tee dom dom  ::)   

The biggest game to date in the championship and the loyal fans in the occupied wee 6 won't get a chance to see it unless they're on the broo or a civil servant ;)

Why can it not be played next weekend?

any chance the Dubs come in early & shout for the rossies :P

Quote from: 5 Sams on July 27, 2009, 08:13:25 PM
The biggest game to date in the championship and the loyal fans in the occupied wee 6 won't get a chance to see it unless they're on the broo or a civil servant ;)

Why can it not be played next weekend?

You can please some of the people......

Quote from: guevara on July 27, 2009, 04:33:30 PM

They are the benchmark that teams measure themselves against & rightly so! They arent like Kerry with 10 or 12 supremely gifted footballers & few grafters added in they are 15 fellas who look mediocre enough in some positions but their gameplan & application of themselves to the cause of Tyrone is admireable!

This is an oft repeated but totally ridiculous theory. The idea you can win 3 All-Irelands (and the current Tyrone panel is made up of 3 different All-Ireland Minor winning squads with players from a 4th waiting to break through) without having "supremely gifted footballers" is seriously flawed. There is no doubt that Tyrone have an excellent tactician on the sideline and a very effective gameplan but all that would count for very little if they didnt have fantastic footballers ::).

Looking forward to seeing the Kerry - Dublin match. Kerry might well be having a poor season but they have hung in and might just be one big performance away from returning to form. You could say they are in a very similar place to Tyrone at this stage last year and Tyrone didnt look back after beating the Dubs. For Dublin it could be that a win over Kerry in the championship would be what they need to really kick on and be contenders.

DUBLIN v KERRY
It's one of the most intense rivalries in Gaelic football, having produced some
classic contests over the years and the latest instalment promises to maintain the
great tradition. Dublin, who won the Leinster title for the fifth successive
season earlier this month, are bidding to beat Kerry for the first time in the
championship since the 1977 All-Ireland semi-final.

Since then, the counties have clashed eight times, with Kerry winning seven
while there was one draw (2001 All-Ireland quarter-final). They last met two
years ago when Kerry won an All-Ireland semi-final by two points.
Kerry, the only county to have reached the quarter-finals every year since the
new championship system was introduced in 2001, are attempting to extend a
great run as they have never been beaten at this stage of the campaign. They
drew with Dublin in 2001 but otherwise it has been success all the way against
(Dublin 2001(replay), 2004), Galway (2002-2008), Roscommon (2003), Mayo
(2005), Armagh (2006), Monaghan (2007).

Dublin reached the quarter-finals in seven of the last eight years with their
record reading as follows: Played 10, Won 3, Drew 3, Lost 4. The wins came
against Donegal (2002 replay), Westmeath (2006), Derry (2007). They drew
with Kerry in 2001, Donegal in 2002 and Tyrone in 2005 and lost to Kerry
(2001 (replay) and 2004), Tyrone (2005 (replay) and 2008).

Paths to the quarter-final
Dublin 0-14 Meath 0-12
Dublin 4-26 Westmeath 0-11
Dublin 2-15 Kildare 0-18 (Leinster final)
Cork 1-10 Kerry 0-13 (Draw)
Cork 1-17 Kerry 0-12 (Replay) Munster semi-final
Kerry 1-12 Longford 0-11 (Qualifier Round 2)
Kerry 0-14 Sligo 1-10 (Qualifier Round 3)
Kerry 2-12 Antrim 1-10 (Qualifier Round 4)

Last Championship Clash
Kerry 1-15 Dublin 0-16 (2007 All-Ireland semi-final, Croke Park)
Kerry kicked three points in the first four minutes before Dublin recovered to
lead 4-3 after 20 minutes. They were a point clear (0-8 to 0-7) at half-time but
Kerry made a match-winning break just after the break when a Declan
O'Sullivan goal was followed by a string of points which put them 1-12 to 0-9
ahead after 49 minutes.

Dublin fought back in great style, out-scoring Dublin by 0-7 to 0-2 in 17
minutes to cut the margin to a point before Declan O'Sullivan landed Kerry's
final point.

Kerry: Diarmuid Murphy; Padraig Reidy, Marc O Se, Tom O'Sullivan; Tomas
O Se (0-1), Aidan O'Mahony, Killian Young; Darragh O Se, Seamus Scanlon;
Paul Galvin (0-2),, Eoin Brosnan (0-2), Declan O'Sullivan (1-3); Colm Cooper
(0-3), Kieran Donaghy, Bryan Sheehan (0-3).
Subs: Tommy Griffin for Darragh O Se, Darragh O Se for Griffin, Sean
O'Sullivan (0-1) for Galvin, Darran O'Sullivan for Brosnan.

Dublin: Stephen Cluxton; David Henry, Ross McConnell, Paul Griffin; Paul
Casey, Bryan Cullen (0-2), Barry Cahill (0-1); Ciaran Whelan, Shane Ryan;
Bernard Brogan (0-1), Jason Sherlock, Colin Moran; Conal Keaney (0-4), Alan
Brogan (0-3), Mark Vaughan (0-5).
Subs: Ray Cosgrove for Sherlock, Darren Magee for Bernard Brogan, Tomas
Quinn for Vaughan.

Last Competitive Clash
Dublin 1-15 Kerry 1-15 (2009 NFL, Parnell Park, March 29).
Dublin led 0-9 to 0-7 at half-time and by 1-10 to 0-7 after five minutes of the
second half after Mark Davoren (goal) and Pat Burke (point) extended the lead.
Dublin led by 1-15 to 0-13 after 59 minutes but Kerry staged a great finish with
Paul Galvin and Kieran Donaghy scoring points which were separated by a goal
from Aidan O'Mahony.

How they fared in All-Ireland quarter-finals
Dublin
2001: Kerry 1-14 Dublin 2-11 (draw)
2001: Kerry 2-12 Dublin 1-12 (replay)
2002: Dublin 2-8 Donegal 0-14 (draw)
2002: Dublin 1-14 Donegal 0-7 (replay)
2004: Kerry 1-15 Dublin 1-8
2005: Tyrone 1-14 Dublin 1-14 (draw)
2005: Tyrone 2-18 Dublin 1-14 (replay)
2006: Dublin 1-12 Westmeath 0-5
2007: Dublin 0-18 Derry 0-15
2008: Tyrone 3-14 Dublin 1-8
Played 10, Won 3, Drew 3, Lost 4.

Kerry
2001: Kerry 1-14 Dublin 2-11 (draw)
2001: Kerry 2-12 Dublin 1-12 (replay)
2002: Kerry 2-17 Galway 1-12
2003: Kerry 1-21 Roscommon 3-10
2004: Kerry 1-15 Dublin 1-8
2005: Kerry 2-15 Mayo 0-18
2006: Kerry 3-15 Armagh 1-13
2007: Kerry 1-12 Monaghan 1-11
2008: Kerry 1-21 Galway 1-16
Played 9, Won 8, Drew 1.

DUBLIN v KERRY: CHAMPIONSHIP HISTORY
2007: Kerry 1-15 Dublin 0-16 (All-Ireland semi-final)
2004: Kerry 1-15 Dublin 1-8 (All-Ireland quarter-final)
2001: Kerry 2-12 Dublin 1-12 (All-Ireland quarter-final replay)
2001: Kerry 1-14 Dublin 2-11 (All-Ireland quarter-final)
1985: Kerry 2-12 Dublin 2-8 (All-Ireland final)
1984: Kerry 0-14 Dublin 1-6 (All-Ireland final)
1979: Kerry 3-13 Dublin 1-8 (All-Ireland final)
1978: Kerry 5-11 Dublin 0-9 (All-Ireland final)
1977: Dublin 3-12 Kerry 1-13 (All-Ireland semi-final)
1976: Dublin 3-8 Kerry 0-10 (All-Ireland final)
1975: Kerry 2-12 Dublin 0-11 (All-Ireland final)
1965: Kerry 4-8 Dublin 2-6 (All-Ireland semi-final)
1962: Kerry 2-12 Dublin 0-10 (All-Ireland semi-final)
1959: Kerry 1-10 Dublin 2-5 (All-Ireland semi-final)
1955: Kerry 0-12 Dublin 1-6 (All-Ireland final)
1941: Kerry 2-9 Dublin 0-3 (All-Ireland semi-final replay)
1941: Kerry 0-4 Dublin 0-4 (All-Ireland semi-final)
1934: Dublin 3-8 Kerry 0-6 (All-Ireland semi-final)
1932: Kerry 1-3 Dublin 1-1 (All-Ireland semi-final)
1924: Kerry 0-4 Dublin 0-3 (All-Ireland final)
1923: Dublin 1-5 Kerry 1-3 (All-Ireland final)
1908: Dublin 0-10 Kerry 0-3 (All-Ireland final)
1904: Kerry 0-5 Dublin 0-2 (All-Ireland final)
1892 Dublin 1-4 Kerry 0-3 (All-Ireland final)
Played 24: Kerry 16, Dublin 6, Draws 2.

Played 24: Kerry 16, Dublin 6, Draws 2

Ahhhh isn't that great reading.

Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 27, 2009, 10:50:20 PM
Played 24: Kerry 16, Dublin 6, Draws 2

Ahhhh isn't that great reading.

Those stats dont indicate much of a rivalry. I wonder has Tom Humphries plans to re-release his book that was cunningly - not - published in anticipation of an old-firm 06 decider. Could do with another laugh like that one.

Paddy Heaney cut loose on Kerry today in his column in the Irish News.

My point LDA is that if in GAA there was a transfer system The Kerry boys would be up at the top of most people' list.
Tyrone have some superb footballers guys like O'Neill, Cavanagh, Mulligan, Gormley etc but they have had to work alot harder at their game to get to were they are.
Kerry seem to produce a "Superstar" every few years these days Gooch, Donaghy, Walsh etc.
I admire Tyrone I think they have gotten the utmost out of their players wereas other teams havent.

Quote from: Archie Mitchell on July 28, 2009, 09:32:29 AM
Paddy Heaney cut loose on Kerry today in his column in the Irish News.

Any chance of someone posting it?

Quote from: moysider on July 27, 2009, 11:35:00 PM
Those stats dont indicate much of a rivalry. I wonder has Tom Humphries plans to re-release his book that was cunningly - not - published in anticipation of an old-firm 06 decider. Could do with another laugh like that one.

Humphries' "Dublin v Kerry" available for £2 yesterday in Banana Books in Junction One. They have dozens and dozens of them. Don't all queue at once.  ;)

A few months ago, this column caused some civil unrest in the deep south when it dared to suggest that we, as a nation, are hopelessly deluded about Kerry football.

The column was written on the eve of the Championship and it was largely in response to the overwhelming majority of pundits, journalists and ex-players who had selected Kerry as the team most likely to win this year's

All-Ireland title.

Against the Breeze argued that these people were just plain wrong. It said these people were still living under the spell of the magical green and gold jersey. It said they were allowing tradition and nostalgia to cloud their

judgement.

A few months later and the cognoscenti who were telling us why Kerry were going to win this year's All-Ireland title have dramatically changed their tune. At that time, we were told that Jack was back to conquer Tyrone. His team had just cruised to the National League title and, with his squad bolstered by Tadhg Kennelly and young David Moran, he was perfectly-positioned for September glory.

Now, the same people are telling us that Kerry are in total disarray. It turns out Jack was wrong to go back. His book was a mistake. It rubbed the O Se brothers up the wrong way.

Apparently, Jack has now lost the changing room. We are also being told that the players have too many miles on the legs. They are weary and worn.

Ironically, much of the analysis outlining what is wrong with Kerry is as fundamentally flawed as the articles written to explain why they would win this year's Championship.

For the benefit of those now suffering from selective amnesia, it's necessary to point out that Jack O'Connor was welcomed back with open arms. The players and the public applauded his appointment.

Furthermore, there was no mention of tired legs or mental fatigue when Kerry collected the League title in cruise control.

The real problem facing this Kerry squad centres on its dependence on individuals.

Last year, 'Team Tyrone' beat 15 Kerry players.

The trouble with individuals is that they put themselves first, which is the long way of saying

'indiscipline'.

And indiscipline explains the red card that ruled Paul Galvin out of action for much of last summer.

It explains the three yellow cards that Kerry picked up when they lost their composure before half-time in the All-Ireland final.

And if we delve deeper, there is further evidence to demonstrate why Tyrone's collective emerged triumphant.

Last year's final essentially turned at the start of the second half. Darragh O Se, who was imperious in the first period, found himself standing beside a fresh-legged and determined Kevin Hughes for the second throw-in.

Darragh had just completed 35 minutes of hard graft. Kevin was pawing at the ground. Tyrone's goal came when Hughes came bounding through the centre of the pitch and took a pass from Stephen O'Neill. Darragh hadn't the legs to keep up with his younger, fitter rival.

Watch a replay of last year's All-Ireland final and witness the number of times Darragh is chasing back, valiantly trying to catch a player that is leaving him for dead.

Jack O'Connor will have watched last year's final on countless occasions. Darragh's performance was not lost on him. At the start of the year, he set out to establish a new midfield partnership.

Anthony Maher, Michael Quirke and David Moran were all given ample game time in the League, but they were exposed against Cork in the Championship.

�This meant O'Connor had to go back to Darragh. Of course, there is no doubt that Darragh O Se can make a huge contribution, but last year's All-Ireland final provides clear evidence that his ageing limbs can be exposed over the course of 70 minutes.

The obvious solution is to keep Darragh in cold storage, then introduce him at half-time for the crucial phase of the game.

But, by all accounts, Darragh doesn't like these new-fangled notions. He wants the number eight on his back and he wants to start.

Now, consider the contrast with Tyrone, where everyone submits obediently to the gameplan. The collective comes first.

Both Kevin Hughes and Brian McGuigan wanted to start last year's final.�But Mickey Harte

believed they could make a more telling impact as substitutes.

A fit Hughes could run the legs off a tiring Darragh O Se. McGuigan could provide composure and intelligence during a frenetic finish.

Like the rest of the Tyrone squad, Hughes and McGuigan learned a long time ago to accept the

wisdom of the man who manages them.

A different dynamic exists in Kerry. The players hold more sway because they've won All-Ireland titles under three different managers.

Kerry's success over the last decade has stemmed from brilliant individuals with big, powerful, resilient egos. But the cause of that strength is now their greatest weakness.

Jack O'Connor is now trying to wrest that control from the players.

His decision to drop Tomas O Se and Colm Cooper�for drinking before a round four Qualifier would appear unavoidable to anyone with the faintest knowledge of management.

Yet, the reaction in Kerry to O'Connor's decision neatly demonstrates their current subservience to the talented individual rather than the team.

The real crisis for Kerry would be if two players could escape punishment for such a breach of discipline.

The fact that Jack O'Connor could make that call, and Kerry's radically improved conduct on the pitch provides evidence that he has more authority over his changing room than he is currently being given credit for.

But, O'Connor is fighting an uphill�battle.

Whereas Mike Frank Russell and Eoin Brosnan recently quit his squad, the absolute unity and

dedication that Jack needs can be found in the changing room of his next opponents. Dublin's Ciaran Whelan, Bryan Cullen and Shane Ryan have all been prepared to sit on the bench.

Nevertheless, Kerry's grip on the public imagination is still incredibly strong. For all their failings and fall-outs, it's amazing how few can identify the symptoms of a dying team.

There is a nationwide inability to dismiss Kerry. Despite the evidence presented in recent games, there are many who still insist that 'you write Kerry off at your peril'.

What cautious drivel! Against Longford, Sligo and Antrim, we witnessed a once fine team in the death throes. Proud, strong and noble, it's fitting that Kerry are gasping for every last lungful of air.

It's a relief they weren't beaten in the Qualifiers. These players deserved a better send-off than to be laid to rest in a remote outpost in the midlands.

Better for them to return to the capital, and Croke Park, the ground they consider home, and the place where this�Kerry team will receive their last rites.

http://www.irishnews.com/irishnews/597/5764/2009/7/28/623611_388890678322Dubscanp.html

It's great when you get someone so adamant in thier own beliefs  !!!

and even greater when that person has the capacity to admit that they got it completely wrong.


Maybe....   roll on the bank holiday weekend.

That Heaney needs to get out and about a biteen more from his remote backwater.

Marc Ó Sé is likely to be suspended.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=115609
The video is pretty conclusive so the suspension is pretty certain.

What video? I didn't see anything in the RTE coverage and the Irish News reported it as being a nothing incident.

Strange it was not mentioned in the Sunday Game.  ???
Brian Canavan on Radio Ulster commentary saw the episode and said at the time was a strike to O'Neill head - he did say if the ref/umpire saw the incident he would have to go.

Quote from: heffo on July 28, 2009, 10:41:59 AM

Now, consider the contrast with Tyrone, where everyone submits obediently to the gameplan.

Heaney could almost be a one man Tyroniban  ;D

Never really read him before, but he looks like he's good for a laugh, albeit I suspect unintentionally   :D

Heaney's from Derry...loving Tyrone would not be his natural default position.  Regarding O'Se, the Sunday Game chose to ignore it?? (too busy with the Galvin love-in) but speaking to someone who was at the game it was a clear strike off the ball and should have been red...think he got a yellow for it??

Hoganstand? - about as reliable a source as the Daily Sport. If the Sunday Game missed it you can be sure the CAC will miss it.

I see Paddy Power has the odds at almost level - Dublin evens, Kerry 11/10.

My fear is that even if the Dubs have a good day and win more possession, that Kerry will get the goals required to win the game.

Quote from: INDIANA on July 28, 2009, 12:36:14 PM
If the Sunday Game missed it you can be sure the CAC will miss it.

If there are solid grounds for a ban, and the CCCC have already viewed the incident, then they've no choice but to carry it through. To do otherwise will leave them wide open to charges of trial by television in the not too distant future.

Quote from: INDIANA on July 28, 2009, 12:36:14 PM
Hoganstand? - about as reliable a source as the Daily Sport. If the Sunday Game missed it you can be sure the CAC will miss it.

In fairness, if it's on the Hoganstand website it's more than likely to have been published in a more reputable publication first - every story tends to be copied from somewhere else.

QuoteMy point LDA is that if in GAA there was a transfer system The Kerry boys would be up at the top of most people' list.
Tyrone have some superb footballers guys like O'Neill, Cavanagh, Mulligan, Gormley etc but they have had to work alot harder at their game to get to were they are.
Kerry seem to produce a "Superstar" every few years these days Gooch, Donaghy, Walsh etc.
I admire Tyrone I think they have gotten the utmost out of their players wereas other teams havent.

If there was a transfer system I would say there would be more Tyrone players in demand than Kerry.  Saying that the aforementioned named players have had to work harder at their game to get where they are is a stupid statement - how would you or any of us know what work an individual has needed to do to get where they are?  A good/great player does not come out of the womb ready for the pitch, every player has to work hard to get to where they want.  Kieran Donaghy has probably had to do alot more work than any other player to get where he is now.   

Quote from: nrico2006 on July 28, 2009, 01:37:41 PM

QuoteMy point LDA is that if in GAA there was a transfer system The Kerry boys would be up at the top of most people' list.
Tyrone have some superb footballers guys like O'Neill, Cavanagh, Mulligan, Gormley etc but they have had to work alot harder at their game to get to were they are.
Kerry seem to produce a "Superstar" every few years these days Gooch, Donaghy, Walsh etc.
I admire Tyrone I think they have gotten the utmost out of their players wereas other teams havent.

If there was a transfer system I would say there would be more Tyrone players in demand than Kerry.  Saying that the aforementioned named players have had to work harder at their game to get where they are is a stupid statement - how would you or any of us know what work an individual has needed to do to get where they are?  A good/great player does not come out of the womb ready for the pitch, every player has to work hard to get to where they want.  Kieran Donaghy has probably had to do alot more work than any other player to get where he is now.   

I don't necessarily agree with that. Tyrone biggest strength is the collective not the individual. Individually its very close in terms so match ups with neither having a distinct advantage in my view.

Well I personally know the majority of them Tyrone guys went to uni with few Tyrone lads & played against the likes of Cavanagh & Mulligan on a number of occassions  So thats how I would know!
I also have relatives in Kerry & am down there quite often & can tell you for a fact Walsh, Gooch etc were all superior footballers at underage level than any of the Tyrone guys I know so I would say having seen both play & be in a position to judge Im more than entitled to my view?
Whats your reason for yours idiot?

Quote from: heffo on July 28, 2009, 10:41:59 AM
A few months ago, this column caused some civil unrest in the deep south when it dared to suggest that we, as a nation, are hopelessly deluded about Kerry football.

The column was written on the eve of the Championship and it was largely in response to the overwhelming majority of pundits, journalists and ex-players who had selected Kerry as the team most likely to win this year's

All-Ireland title.

Against the Breeze argued that these people were just plain wrong. It said these people were still living under the spell of the magical green and gold jersey. It said they were allowing tradition and nostalgia to cloud their

judgement.

A few months later and the cognoscenti who were telling us why Kerry were going to win this year's All-Ireland title have dramatically changed their tune. At that time, we were told that Jack was back to conquer Tyrone. His team had just cruised to the National League title and, with his squad bolstered by Tadhg Kennelly and young David Moran, he was perfectly-positioned for September glory.

Now, the same people are telling us that Kerry are in total disarray. It turns out Jack was wrong to go back. His book was a mistake. It rubbed the O Se brothers up the wrong way.

Apparently, Jack has now lost the changing room. We are also being told that the players have too many miles on the legs. They are weary and worn.

Ironically, much of the analysis outlining what is wrong with Kerry is as fundamentally flawed as the articles written to explain why they would win this year's Championship.

For the benefit of those now suffering from selective amnesia, it's necessary to point out that Jack O'Connor was welcomed back with open arms. The players and the public applauded his appointment.

Furthermore, there was no mention of tired legs or mental fatigue when Kerry collected the League title in cruise control.

The real problem facing this Kerry squad centres on its dependence on individuals.

Last year, 'Team Tyrone' beat 15 Kerry players.

The trouble with individuals is that they put themselves first, which is the long way of saying

'indiscipline'.

And indiscipline explains the red card that ruled Paul Galvin out of action for much of last summer.

It explains the three yellow cards that Kerry picked up when they lost their composure before half-time in the All-Ireland final.

And if we delve deeper, there is further evidence to demonstrate why Tyrone's collective emerged triumphant.

Last year's final essentially turned at the start of the second half. Darragh O Se, who was imperious in the first period, found himself standing beside a fresh-legged and determined Kevin Hughes for the second throw-in.

Darragh had just completed 35 minutes of hard graft. Kevin was pawing at the ground. Tyrone's goal came when Hughes came bounding through the centre of the pitch and took a pass from Stephen O'Neill. Darragh hadn't the legs to keep up with his younger, fitter rival.

Watch a replay of last year's All-Ireland final and witness the number of times Darragh is chasing back, valiantly trying to catch a player that is leaving him for dead.

Jack O'Connor will have watched last year's final on countless occasions. Darragh's performance was not lost on him. At the start of the year, he set out to establish a new midfield partnership.

Anthony Maher, Michael Quirke and David Moran were all given ample game time in the League, but they were exposed against Cork in the Championship.

�This meant O'Connor had to go back to Darragh. Of course, there is no doubt that Darragh O Se can make a huge contribution, but last year's All-Ireland final provides clear evidence that his ageing limbs can be exposed over the course of 70 minutes.

The obvious solution is to keep Darragh in cold storage, then introduce him at half-time for the crucial phase of the game.

But, by all accounts, Darragh doesn't like these new-fangled notions. He wants the number eight on his back and he wants to start.

Now, consider the contrast with Tyrone, where everyone submits obediently to the gameplan. The collective comes first.

Both Kevin Hughes and Brian McGuigan wanted to start last year's final.�But Mickey Harte

believed they could make a more telling impact as substitutes.

A fit Hughes could run the legs off a tiring Darragh O Se. McGuigan could provide composure and intelligence during a frenetic finish.

Like the rest of the Tyrone squad, Hughes and McGuigan learned a long time ago to accept the

wisdom of the man who manages them.

A different dynamic exists in Kerry. The players hold more sway because they've won All-Ireland titles under three different managers.

Kerry's success over the last decade has stemmed from brilliant individuals with big, powerful, resilient egos. But the cause of that strength is now their greatest weakness.

Jack O'Connor is now trying to wrest that control from the players.

His decision to drop Tomas O Se and Colm Cooper�for drinking before a round four Qualifier would appear unavoidable to anyone with the faintest knowledge of management.

Yet, the reaction in Kerry to O'Connor's decision neatly demonstrates their current subservience to the talented individual rather than the team.

The real crisis for Kerry would be if two players could escape punishment for such a breach of discipline.

The fact that Jack O'Connor could make that call, and Kerry's radically improved conduct on the pitch provides evidence that he has more authority over his changing room than he is currently being given credit for.

But, O'Connor is fighting an uphill�battle.

Whereas Mike Frank Russell and Eoin Brosnan recently quit his squad, the absolute unity and

dedication that Jack needs can be found in the changing room of his next opponents. Dublin's Ciaran Whelan, Bryan Cullen and Shane Ryan have all been prepared to sit on the bench.

Nevertheless, Kerry's grip on the public imagination is still incredibly strong. For all their failings and fall-outs, it's amazing how few can identify the symptoms of a dying team.

There is a nationwide inability to dismiss Kerry. Despite the evidence presented in recent games, there are many who still insist that 'you write Kerry off at your peril'.

What cautious drivel! Against Longford, Sligo and Antrim, we witnessed a once fine team in the death throes. Proud, strong and noble, it's fitting that Kerry are gasping for every last lungful of air.

It's a relief they weren't beaten in the Qualifiers. These players deserved a better send-off than to be laid to rest in a remote outpost in the midlands.

Better for them to return to the capital, and Croke Park, the ground they consider home, and the place where this�Kerry team will receive their last rites.

http://www.irishnews.com/irishnews/597/5764/2009/7/28/623611_388890678322Dubscanp.html

And some people claim that the "southern meeejia" are obsessed with Kerry.  ::)

Btw Mr Heaney, Anthony Maher was injured for both Cork matches.

Quote from: guevara on July 28, 2009, 02:22:29 PM
I also have relatives in Kerry & am down there quite often...

A (n impartial) Down man my arse  ;)

No man Im unfortunatley following the Dubs on this one! Hope they beat Kerry as think they have been better this year
Although may holiday in Kerry the feckers havent a chance of converting me  ;D
Red & Blacks my only colours  ;)

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 28, 2009, 02:32:07 PM

And some people claim that the "southern meeejia" are obsessed with Kerry.  ::)

Btw Mr Heaney, Anthony Maher was injured for both Cork matches.

David Moran had very little playing time as well. His drop in form coincides with his father Ogie's illness. Brian his brother has some illness also. He is off the Kerry panel since. Tough times off the field for David. Ogie's brother James died of cancer a few years back so worrying times.

Heaney is also incorrect in stating that all of Kerry disagreed with Jack's decision to drop Gooch and Tomas when in fact it was the complete opposite.

Quote from: guevara on July 28, 2009, 02:22:29 PM
Well I personally know the majority of them Tyrone guys went to uni with few Tyrone lads & played against the likes of Cavanagh & Mulligan on a number of occassions  So thats how I would know!
I also have relatives in Kerry & am down there quite often & can tell you for a fact Walsh, Gooch etc were all superior footballers at underage level than any of the Tyrone guys I know so I would say having seen both play & be in a position to judge Im more than entitled to my view?
Whats your reason for yours idiot?

Translator please!

Quote from: Seamus on July 28, 2009, 02:57:28 PM

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 28, 2009, 02:32:07 PM

And some people claim that the "southern meeejia" are obsessed with Kerry.  ::)

Btw Mr Heaney, Anthony Maher was injured for both Cork matches.

David Moran had very little playing time as well. His drop in form coincides with his father Ogie's illness. Brian his brother has some illness also. He is off the Kerry panel since. Tough times off the field for David. Ogie's brother James died of cancer a few years back so worrying times.

Heaney is also incorrect in stating that all of Kerry disagreed with Jack's decision to drop Gooch and Tomas when in fact it was the complete opposite.

I didnt hear that Ogie wasn't well Séamus....when did this news appear??

QuoteWell I personally know the majority of them Tyrone guys went to uni with few Tyrone lads & played against the likes of Cavanagh & Mulligan on a number of occassions  So thats how I would know!
I also have relatives in Kerry & am down there quite often & can tell you for a fact Walsh, Gooch etc were all superior footballers at underage level than any of the Tyrone guys I know so I would say having seen both play & be in a position to judge Im more than entitled to my view?
Whats your reason for yours idiot?

If Walsh and Gooch etc were all superior footballers then how come we haven't saw more All Ireland Minor titles going to Kerry?
So by going to Uni with a few Tyrone lads puts you in a position to know how they developed - by that stage they are basically as good as they will be as they would have done the majority of this extra work that they required in their early to mid teens which would be their formative years.  This argument (Kerry having better individuals than Tyrone) has been put to bed before.  Tyrone play as a team and their team ethic is righly praised but they would not have achieved what they have without having exceptional footballers in the side.  Tyrone have great footballers in every position who are equal if not better than their Kerry counterparts - just look at the adaptibility of wach Tyrone player.  How many Kerry players are as comfortable in the Full Back position as they are at wing forward?  Look at the Tyrone defenders such as McMenamin, Harte or Jordan who are all as good going forward as they are in front of their own goal.  My point regarding Donaghy was that he did not announce himself as a serious talent until he was basically in his mid twenties, he obviously had to improve and work hard to become the player that he was as he was on the Kerry squad for a while before he started to perform.
before,

Donaghy was on the Kerry panel from 05 & starting for them by 2006 at Full Forward were he announced himself against Armagh.
He was 23 years old & had been latecomer to the panel as his previous allegiance was with Tralee in the Basketball.
And no I didnt just go to uni with few Tyrone boys I played against a lot of them from 12/13 right up so I think I would have an idea of what they were like.
I agree Tyrone play as a team with a set system that gets the best out of players.
Kerry on other hand play off the cuff at times & rely on the pure ability of guys like Cooper, O'Sullivan etc to try & win them games.
How many of the Tyrone team were playing for their county at 18/19???

Quote from: guevara on July 28, 2009, 04:10:49 PM
How many of the Tyrone team were playing for their county at 18/19???

Stephen O'Neill, Sean Cavanagh and John Devine among others

To what extent do people think that all of the allegations of unrest in the Kerry camp are part of a strategy to lure the Dubs into a flase sense of superiority? After all, the three teams that Kerry beat in the qualifiers were never going to beat them - despite all of the their best efforts.

Maybe it's the new management, perhaps it's the form of Bernard Brogan but the Dubs seem a totally different proposition this year and they certainly won't capitulate this year the way they did against Tyrone this time against the kingdom. Kerry have been very laboured to date and if anything the wide open spaces of Croke Park is more likely to expose their frailties and lack of pace in key areas than lift them from their slumbers. The Dubs by a couple in a high scoring contest

Compare Team from 2007( thanks to Kerry Mike) vs last Sundays team

Kerry:

Diarmuid Murphy; Padraig Reidy, Marc O Se, Tom O'Sullivan; Tomas
O Se (0-1), Aidan O'Mahony, Killian Young;
Darragh O Se, Seamus Scanlon;
Paul Galvin (0-2),, Eoin Brosnan (0-2), Declan O'Sullivan (1-3); Colm Cooper
(0-3), Kieran Donaghy, Bryan Sheehan (0-3).
Subs: Tommy Griffin for Darragh O Se, Darragh O Se for Griffin, Sean
O'Sullivan (0-1) for Galvin, Darran O'Sullivan for Brosnan.

Of the 18 players used v Dublin 2007 ...14 of them played last Sunday. Would have been 15 if Star was fit and there is a case to reinstate Sheehan.

http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaelic-football/kerry-not-capable-of-doing-a-tyrone-1844072.html (http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaelic-football/kerry-not-capable-of-doing-a-tyrone-1844072.html)



IT'S elementary, my dear Watson. And all so eminently logical.

The evidence against the Kingdom is so overwhelming that 12 good men and true would barely require five minutes to send Jack O'Connor and his motley crew of misfits to the championship slammer.

Even Johnnie Cochran -- if he were still around -- would struggle to convince a jury of gullible Gaels that the O'Neills gloves don't fit so you must acquit.

Kerry's fingerprints are plastered all over at least five crime scenes -- Killarney, the Páirc, Pearse Park, Austin Stack and now O'Connor Park. They are as guilty as OJ ... sorry, Johnnie, we meant as guilty as sin!

If we can abandon the forensic metaphors, their graph is clearly moving in the opposite direction to Dublin's. So much so that finally, after 32 years of waiting and wondering would it ever happen again, Dublin should put their green-and-gold nemesis to the sword next bank holiday Monday.

CLASSIC

The classic 1977 All-Ireland semi-final will finally be given an appropriate resting place in the Garden of Sky Blue Remembrance. Paddy Cullen and Jimmy Keaveney will be allowed to go about their daily August business without being cajoled into recalling what it was like in the rare auld times of Heffo and Micko, of cute Kerry codgers and Dublin coddle.

Unlike in 2001, 2004 or 2007, when you could only have tipped the Dubs against Kerry on the dubious premise of a hunch, cold logic now dictates that they must win, should win, will win.

Really?

Here's the problem with the above synopsis. While all the logical pointers indicate a Dublin victory in six days' time, logic and match-day reality aren't always the most comfortable of GAA bedfellows. Just ask the Galway hurlers.

In this case, Dublin's form is clearly more compelling but you can't be fully convinced until they walk the walk in August.

One presumes there is always some potential for Dublin being spooked by their unhappy history against the Kingdom. Equally, it is possible to envisage a scenario whereby Kerry - assailed by chronic form, doubted by their own and roundly dismissed by the rest - are kickstarted out of their torpor by the sight of that blue jersey and the cacophonous sound of a heaving Hill.

Besides, it wouldn't be unheard of for Dublin to be the unwitting catalyst for an All-Ireland assault reborn. It happened all of - let us see - 12 months ago.

Tyrone looked to be trundling towards the inevitable exit door as they prepared to face a familiar Dublin foe in last year's quarter-final. They had lost to Down in the Ulster championship. They could have lost at home to Westmeath. They probably should have lost to Mayo in the final qualifier round.

They duly proceeded to make a mockery of all the doubters, not to mention the suddenly dithering Dubs.

So, is the Kerry/Tyrone comparison a valid one? Yes and no. Both Tyrone (circa '08) and Kerry today qualified as former All-Ireland champions who had lost their way. Yet in the former case, there was that brief but telling shell-burst of points when it mattered most against Mayo - a hint that some vintage Tyrone 'vino' was ready to be uncorked once more.

Contrast this with Kerry. They have played five games in this championship and haven't managed anything remotely as impressive. Yes, they had that brilliant start to the second half of the Cork replay (a positive augury soon buried in another Leeside avalanche) and they finished strongly when disaster could have beckoned against Antrim last Sunday.

The more blindly optimistic Kerryman (we're not sure if this endangered species currently exists in the plural) might also highlight the wildly contrasting reactions to Tyrone's recent six-point win over Antrim and Kerry's five-point success against the same opposition.

CRUISE

The former had won at a cruise playing within themselves, so the consensus went. And the latter? "For 62 minutes, this was arguably the most inept championship performance by a Kerry team in many years - and Antrim should have beaten them," was the no-frills conclusion of one media witness to events in Tullamore.

Yet Tyrone's margin was only one point superior, which begs the question is this merely a case of reigning champions being judged in a more sycophantic light (as Kerry have been in the past) when measured against a team perceived to be on the slippery slope?

We don't think so, for several reasons. Firstly, Tyrone were never seriously troubled by Antrim; Kerry patently were.

This time last year Tyrone merely seemed afflicted by poor form and/or a confidence deficit whereas Kerry have this ailment and lots more besides. They include: (1) major problems in critical positions with no obvious immediate solutions; (2) the crippling loss of Kieran Donaghy to contend with; (3) a sense that decorated limbs (belonging to Darragh ó Sé among others) are creaking; and (4) the inescapable whiff of trouble in the camp, exemplified by the (albeit brief) banishment to the bench of Colm Cooper and Tomás ó Sé.

Jack O'Connor's public declaration for the TV cameras that there is "great spirit in the squad", that Kerry are "fine despite rumours to the contrary", is what you'd expect from an experienced manager trying to keep his ship afloat when it has been holed below the water line. It doesn't mean we have to swallow his every utterance.

You must also judge Kerry's latest fitful performance against a backdrop of all that has gone before this summer - and even last summer, when on-field tetchiness and a recurring tendency towards second half collapses hinted at a team showing tell-tale signs of battle fatigue.

Many of us assumed that O'Connor's return would put the pep back in Kerry's step. Just to reinforce this assumption, they were duly crowned league champions.

But 20-20 hindsight is everything and so, instead of recalling who won it, today we can only remember the dearth of championship intensity in the Division 1 league final against Derry - and guess what happened to them!

All of the above is an attempt to place the Kerry 'crisis' in context: in summary, they look less well equipped than Tyrone last season for mid-summer rejuvenation and there is also the feeling about Dublin, under Pat Gilroy, are now less susceptible to the collective implosion that wrecked their grand dream in Pillar's final campaign.

Ah, did we just say "feeling" vis-a-vis the Dubs? So much for sticking rigidly to the evidence trail and the dull science of logic!

- Frank Roche

Quote from: nrico2006 on July 28, 2009, 03:55:29 PM

QuoteWell I personally know the majority of them Tyrone guys went to uni with few Tyrone lads & played against the likes of Cavanagh & Mulligan on a number of occassions  So thats how I would know!
I also have relatives in Kerry & am down there quite often & can tell you for a fact Walsh, Gooch etc were all superior footballers at underage level than any of the Tyrone guys I know so I would say having seen both play & be in a position to judge Im more than entitled to my view?
Whats your reason for yours idiot?

If Walsh and Gooch etc were all superior footballers then how come we haven't saw more All Ireland Minor titles going to Kerry?
So by going to Uni with a few Tyrone lads puts you in a position to know how they developed - by that stage they are basically as good as they will be as they would have done the majority of this extra work that they required in their early to mid teens which would be their formative years.  This argument (Kerry having better individuals than Tyrone) has been put to bed before.  Tyrone play as a team and their team ethic is righly praised but they would not have achieved what they have without having exceptional footballers in the side.  Tyrone have great footballers in every position who are equal if not better than their Kerry counterparts - just look at the adaptibility of wach Tyrone player.  How many Kerry players are as comfortable in the Full Back position as they are at wing forward?  Look at the Tyrone defenders such as McMenamin, Harte or Jordan who are all as good going forward as they are in front of their own goal.  My point regarding Donaghy was that he did not announce himself as a serious talent until he was basically in his mid twenties, he obviously had to improve and work hard to become the player that he was as he was on the Kerry squad for a while before he started to perform.
before,

nrico - so if Tyrone have such great footballers etc how come they are nowhere near as consistent as Kerry, have less titles and get beaten by the likes of Laois/Mayo etc

Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 28, 2009, 04:56:00 PM
nrico - so if Tyrone have such great footballers etc how come they are nowhere near as consistent as Kerry, have less titles and get beaten by the likes of Laois/Mayo etc

A death, a series of horrific injuries, just might have something to do with it. Or do you think it a total coincidence that when we're at our strongest in any given year (2003, 2005 & 2008) we haven't been beaten (or beaten only once in the Ulster but have won SAM)?

ok how is everyone doing ticket wise? seems to be sold out on ticketmaster already, even though i'm going for the Minor i'm looking forward to what should be another classic dubs v kerry game, & ohh i was there when Kerry were beaten 15pts by Meath in 2001 (bit of a omen?)

Quote from: guevara on July 28, 2009, 04:10:49 PM
Donaghy was on the Kerry panel from 05 & starting for them by 2006 at Full Forward were he announced himself against Armagh.
He was 23 years old & had been latecomer to the panel as his previous allegiance was with Tralee in the Basketball.
And no I didnt just go to uni with few Tyrone boys I played against a lot of them from 12/13 right up so I think I would have an idea of what they were like.
I agree Tyrone play as a team with a set system that gets the best out of players.
Kerry on other hand play off the cuff at times & rely on the pure ability of guys like Cooper, O'Sullivan etc to try & win them games.
How many of the Tyrone team were playing for their county at 18/19???

Tyrone have always been loath to throw boys in at that age, no matter their ability (with a few exceptions, 'God' obviously)... like I say, nothing to do with ability

Quotenrico - so if Tyrone have such great footballers etc how come they are nowhere near as consistent as Kerry, have less titles and get beaten by the likes of Laois/Mayo etc

Dubsforsam, I honestly didn't think you were stupid enough to ask me that question with serious intent, then I saw your profile name and realised maybe you could be.  You mention Laois and Mayo as if they are some low level football side - Laois won a few Leinster's earlier this decade and were seen as a capable side while Mayo beat the mighty Dubs in Croke Park and have reached 2 All Ireland Finals and been to the latter stages regularly.  But in the years in question its common knowledge that Tyrone have had serious factors going against them in 2004 their captain passed away and I am sure this shifted the focus from football to the more important things in life while in 2006 the Tyrone side available to be put out for the championship was a shadow of the side that had won the All Ireland the previous September.  Consistency is one thing but throw in the route a team from Munster has to the latter stages of an All Ireland final with that of a team from Ulster and you will see that one path is a little easier, and again that's common knowledge.  You question why Tyrone have less titles than Kerry considering how great the Tyrone players are - I feel that its a stretch to far even for the Tyrone players to play long enough to equal Kerry's total.  But you never know  ;)

Quote from: ross4life on July 28, 2009, 05:17:08 PM
ok how is everyone doing ticket wise? seems to be sold out on ticketmaster already, even though i'm going for the Minor i'm looking forward to what should be another classic dubs v kerry game, & ohh i was there when Kerry were beaten 15pts by Meath in 2001 (bit of a omen?)

Sorted, it'll be my first time on The Hill for a Dublin game. Not sure if I should wear my Tyrone jersey :D?

Has anyone mentioned Tyrone yet....

Quote from: blanketattack on July 28, 2009, 11:55:00 AM
Marc Ó Sé is likely to be suspended.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=115609
The video is pretty conclusive so the suspension is pretty certain.

I will stunned if this happens.

Would be a big blow for Kerry, not like O'Se (Marc that is!) to give some-one a smack, but it seems he did, so he should do the time if we are dealing with an impartial system.

Quote from: Main Street on July 28, 2009, 05:28:11 PM
Has anyone mentioned Tyrone yet....

ok i will......

Tyrone With an area of 3,155 square kilometres (1,218 square miles) Tyrone is the seventh largest of Ireland's 32 counties in area and eighth largest in terms of population[3]. It is the second largest of Ulster's 9 counties in size and fourth largest in terms of population

The name Tyrone is derived from the Irish: Tír Eoghain meaning "land of Eógan". This Eógan was son of king Niall of the Nine Hostages, and brother of Conall Gulban, who gave his name to the kingdom of Tír Chonaill

how's that :P

Did O'Se not smack someone against Cork last year? Seems Tomas got less dirty with age and he's getting mroe dirty..

This is a fascinating tie. I only wish the feckers had put it on at a time I'm not working.

Walsh vs Bastick will be very interesting. Bastick will put it up to him physically. I'd still expect him to get roasted though. Hard to know who'll win midfield as they're both average enough with Dara having put on the pounds.

It'll be interesting to see who marks Gooch. I'd imagine David Henry. Pady Andrews is probably someone Kerry could exploit. Cahill against Galvin should be an excellent match up.

Dublin can be exposed at 3, 4 and 6 however Kerry could be exposed at 2, 3, 4, 6 and 7... (Well I don't think Bonner will expose them though). Dublin need players like Bastick and Connolly to stand up and be counted to win this. If Marc O'Se is there I'd expect him to maybe pick up Brogan.(Bernard) McCarthy may pick up Alan I'd say.

Both defenses are most likely ropy enough so it'll be high scoring I think. Dublin have less prolific forwards so I expect them to need ~60% possession to win it. I do think they'll get this though...

Really depressing to go on the thread and read about Tyrone!!!
Maybe there was something in Tomas set dancing comments!!!
Marc would be a massive loss - county board shocked by this.
Marc was stood on at the start of the second half and reacted, looked at it online and saw nothing.
Not sure if more conclusive shots available.
Again no problem with these suspensions as long as there are applied consistently.
This will disrupt the build up at any rate.
On the game itself it is hard to see up putting up a big eneough score to win on current form.
I would expect Reidy to start in place of Griffen if Marc plays.

Quote from: imtommygunn on July 28, 2009, 09:17:37 PM
Did O'Se not smack someone against Cork last year? Seems Tomas got less dirty with age and he's getting mroe dirty..

This is a fascinating tie. I only wish the feckers had put it on at a time I'm not working.

Walsh vs Bastick will be very interesting. Bastick will put it up to him physically. I'd still expect him to get roasted though. Hard to know who'll win midfield as they're both average enough with Dara having put on the pounds.

It'll be interesting to see who marks Gooch. I'd imagine David Henry. Pady Andrews is probably someone Kerry could exploit. Cahill against Galvin should be an excellent match up.

Dublin can be exposed at 3, 4 and 6 however Kerry could be exposed at 2, 3, 4, 6 and 7... (Well I don't think Bonner will expose them though). Dublin need players like Bastick and Connolly to stand up and be counted to win this. If Marc O'Se is there I'd expect him to maybe pick up Brogan.(Bernard) McCarthy may pick up Alan I'd say.

Both defenses are most likely ropy enough so it'll be high scoring I think. Dublin have less prolific forwards so I expect them to need ~60% possession to win it. I do think they'll get this though...

I agree both defences are ropey . Midfield will be key . Kerry have to be aware the quick kickouts that Dublin used effectively against Kildare . Kerry were quite poor the last day againts Antrim .I am not sure how good Antrim are but they really put it up to Kerry for 65 minutes or so .The Dubs will be a big step up .

Being from antrim I have to say it's tough reading how poor kerry were.

Antrim are actually a good side this year and with the right draw would have gone further.(anyone aside from kerry really though kildare may have been too much)

Dublin have had a good test already though Kerry had against Cork too.

Like I said - two poor defenses.

Forward wise Sherlock can be held though and Connolly and Bonner wouldn't be a massive threat so Dubs need big games from Keaney and two Brogan''s. Keaney has been quiet enough of late.

Darren O'Sullivan needs to trouble the scoreboard more for Kerry or they're in a similar boat though Gooch, O'Sullivan and Galvin should trouble it enough.

All in all I don't see a clear cut winner here but I would expect dublin to be physically more powerful all in all and have a better team-work about them. Dublin 1-15 Kerry 0-16...

Actually I'd be surprised if both teams didn't goal. Dublin 1-15 Kerry 1-13.

I think, and buying into the Jackeen hype I know, that the Dubs could give Kerry a whipping here.

Quote from: imtommygunn on July 28, 2009, 11:21:35 PM
Being from antrim I have to say it's tough reading how poor kerry were.

Antrim are actually a good side this year and with the right draw would have gone further.(anyone aside from kerry really though kildare may have been too much)

Couldn't have got Kildare anyway. I think Donegal would have probably have been a wounded animal though.

Quote from: nrico2006 on July 28, 2009, 05:26:07 PM

Quotenrico - so if Tyrone have such great footballers etc how come they are nowhere near as consistent as Kerry, have less titles and get beaten by the likes of Laois/Mayo etc

Dubsforsam, I honestly didn't think you were stupid enough to ask me that question with serious intent, then I saw your profile name and realised maybe you could be.  You mention Laois and Mayo as if they are some low level football side - Laois won a few Leinster's earlier this decade and were seen as a capable side while Mayo beat the mighty Dubs in Croke Park and have reached 2 All Ireland Finals and been to the latter stages regularly.  But in the years in question its common knowledge that Tyrone have had serious factors going against them in 2004 their captain passed away and I am sure this shifted the focus from football to the more important things in life while in 2006 the Tyrone side available to be put out for the championship was a shadow of the side that had won the All Ireland the previous September.  Consistency is one thing but throw in the route a team from Munster has to the latter stages of an All Ireland final with that of a team from Ulster and you will see that one path is a little easier, and again that's common knowledge.  You question why Tyrone have less titles than Kerry considering how great the Tyrone players are - I feel that its a stretch to far even for the Tyrone players to play long enough to equal Kerry's total.  But you never know  ;)

Nrico - Resorting to personal abuse is a sign your losing the arguement.....Have Kerry lost to anyone at the level of Laois/Mayo (in fact they absolutely destroyed Mayo in the All-Ireland)...They have lost to Tyrone that is effectively it. Yes you lost your captain in 04 and that was a massive loss I agree but Kerry have suffered massive retirements and losing players also and still made finals/semi-finals....I was asking why over the last decade why they have less and been far less consistent....What your saying is that Tyrone need to have everyone available to win it seems...

Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 29, 2009, 11:05:07 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on July 28, 2009, 05:26:07 PM

Quotenrico - so if Tyrone have such great footballers etc how come they are nowhere near as consistent as Kerry, have less titles and get beaten by the likes of Laois/Mayo etc

Dubsforsam, I honestly didn't think you were stupid enough to ask me that question with serious intent, then I saw your profile name and realised maybe you could be.  You mention Laois and Mayo as if they are some low level football side - Laois won a few Leinster's earlier this decade and were seen as a capable side while Mayo beat the mighty Dubs in Croke Park and have reached 2 All Ireland Finals and been to the latter stages regularly.  But in the years in question its common knowledge that Tyrone have had serious factors going against them in 2004 their captain passed away and I am sure this shifted the focus from football to the more important things in life while in 2006 the Tyrone side available to be put out for the championship was a shadow of the side that had won the All Ireland the previous September.  Consistency is one thing but throw in the route a team from Munster has to the latter stages of an All Ireland final with that of a team from Ulster and you will see that one path is a little easier, and again that's common knowledge.  You question why Tyrone have less titles than Kerry considering how great the Tyrone players are - I feel that its a stretch to far even for the Tyrone players to play long enough to equal Kerry's total.  But you never know  ;)

Nrico - Resorting to personal abuse is a sign your losing the arguement.....Have Kerry lost to anyone at the level of Laois/Mayo (in fact they absolutely destroyed Mayo in the All-Ireland)...They have lost to Tyrone that is effectively it. Yes you lost your captain in 04 and that was a massive loss I agree but Kerry have suffered massive retirements and losing players also and still made finals/semi-finals....I was asking why over the last decade why they have less and been far less consistent....What your saying is that Tyrone need to have everyone available to win it seems...

As well as that is a dublin v kerry thread- can we stick to the debate about the match please and who's going to win etc? if people want to setup another tyrone v kerry thread- then open up a new thread.

If Kerry are lacking a bit of balls in their displays this summer, maybe Jack O'Connor ought to give this buck down in Killarney a run?

http://www.examiner.ie/world/women-warned-of-serial-flasher-in-national-park-97548.html

There'd be a problem keeping him togged, of course.

A little piece of perspective, from today's Irish Times:

Kingdom's record means it's not a rivalry of equals

DAMIAN CULLEN

DERBY DAYS 2009 ALL-IRELAND SFC QUARTER-FINAL: This is a modern rivalry. Or at least, it should and could be. It began in 2001, not 1923 or 1976, in Semple Stadium, and it's 3-0 to Kerry

FORGET WHAT you've been told. This is not an old rivalry. For most, it's fresh and new. A 21st century duel.

The joke doing the rounds two years ago before their All-Ireland semi-final meeting was that Elvis was still alive the last time Dublin beat Kerry. That mocking gag still stands today, and, if past battles are anything to go by, will be coming to a mobile phone near you again after next Monday evening's clash at headquarters.

Perhaps even more pertinently, out of the Dublin side that started against Kildare in the Leinster final earlier this month, only Jason Sherlock was alive the last time his county defeated Kerry in championship football. The seasoned Dublin forward was a year and a half the day of the 1977 All-Ireland football semi-final.

And for many of the spectators at Croke Park next Monday (and surely at least 90 per cent of those occupying Hill 16) the great battles of three decades ago are as relevant as the clashes in the early 1930s were to those who watched the counties trade blows in the late 1970s and early '80s.

Since 1977, Dublin haven't beaten Kerry – a losing streak which includes four All-Ireland final defeats. And up to the meeting the year before, in 1976, Dublin had not overcome the Munster giants in 42 years. Presumably the joke doing the rounds in the build-up to the 1976 decider was along the lines that, the last time Dublin had beaten Kerry, WB Yeats was still alive and well. Two memorable victories in eight decades does not a great rivalry make.

While Dublin did a celebrated double over their "rivals" in 1976 and '77, Kerry have more than gained revenge – giving the home side two unmerciful beatings before the end of that decade – by 17 points in 1978 and 11 points in 1979. And the southern grip was almost as tight in the finals of 1984 and '85, despite Dublin being the reigning All-Ireland champions in 1983, when Cork pipped their neighbours by a point in the Munster decider thus ensuring Dublin avoided a meeting with Jack O'Shea and Co.

Excuses or not (and pointing to injuries such as Brian Mullins' unfortunate car accident for Dublin's slide is as relevant as blaming John Joe Sheehy for being anti-treaty and therefore missing the 1923 All-Ireland final when Dublin beat Kerry by two points) the Kingdom's record in the derby games means it's not a rivalry of equals. Traditionally, it's been merely a step on the road for one side.

Even after the 1923 defeat, Kerry did not have to wait long to avenge a rare defeat by the Jackeens. In the following year's decider, played in April 1925, the sides met again and, coincidentally considering what is occurring off Jones' Road at the moment, the pitch was resurfaced especially for the occasion.

The build-up – though not quite the hype-filled mushroom cloud we're now used to – nevertheless reflected the enthusiasm in the football heartlands and 30,000 turned up at headquarters, 10,000 more than for the previous year's decider.

The scoreline perhaps does not do the tie justice, as match reports talk generously of the skill level. Still, neither side managed a score in the first 20 minutes, and by the break Kerry had their noses in front, three points to two. In fact, the teams managed just one more score each in the second period – Kerry winning by a point.

Witnesses on Monday will demand more accuracy. But more than that. For this rivalry to have any credibility, it demands a win by Dublin. Otherwise, the rivalry sits with Armagh and Roscommon, who also played out several classic contests in the late 1970s and early '80s. That Kerry men are again falling over themselves to emphasise how much the rivalry with Dublin means is not particularly relevant. There are other motives at work.

Kerry's rivalry is with Cork. In fact, they have more reason to celebrate a victory over Down than Dublin. The Ulster county have had the good sense to avoid the Kingdom when they've been at their strongest, and are the only county with a 100 per cent record against Kerry. Four championship clashes. Four victories – two (1960 and 1968) in All-Ireland senior football finals.

Kerry players, officials and supporters will be happy to watch their fifth column – the multitude of former Kerry players now spread across the media world – talking up the rivalry in the build-up to Monday, and in so doing talking up Dublin's chances.

History tells us, however, that, for Kerry, clashes with Dublin are not really about life and death. In reality, the battles have almost always resulted in life for Kerry, and death for Dublin.

No, this is a modern rivalry. Or at least, it should and could be. It began in 2001, not 1923 or 1976.

It was started by Maurice Fitzgerald, who stood at the Old Stand side of Semple Stadium and launched a beautiful kick that was roared over the bar by Kerry's supporters to earn a draw in a pulsating match at the same stage of the championship as Monday's.

The score in this rivalry stands at 3-0 (with one draw) to Kerry and so its future depends on Monday's result.

The fifth cloumn
in the fourth estate
this decade's series is three - zip
between the two giants
only one conclusion:
Kerry

Any word on Donaghy? Irish Times this morning said he'll probably be on the bench, but apparently it was on the radio this morning that he's out.

Kerry still have a lot of options for the forward line. If whatever they go with doesnt work, they do have room to change.

Any word on possible changes to the Dublin team? An unchanged line-up bar Cullen for Ger would be the obvious. Can't see any more changes in defence, though I wonder would Hubbard be a better man for Darren O'Sullivan than Andrews?

I think I'd go with Whelan and McConnell at midfield but I'm admittedly biased against Magee. Connolly is the one forward under pressure for his place, and I wonder are the management thinking of putting McConnell at half forward with Whelo/Magee in the middle. At least that would give us one potential game changing forward option off the bench. Burke is fine as a workhorse off the bench, but he's not what you'd call a dangerman, and I don't rate Quinn's ability whatsoever to change a game off the bench.

Really looking forward to it.

Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 29, 2009, 11:05:07 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on July 28, 2009, 05:26:07 PM

Quotenrico - so if Tyrone have such great footballers etc how come they are nowhere near as consistent as Kerry, have less titles and get beaten by the likes of Laois/Mayo etc

Dubsforsam, I honestly didn't think you were stupid enough to ask me that question with serious intent, then I saw your profile name and realised maybe you could be.  You mention Laois and Mayo as if they are some low level football side - Laois won a few Leinster's earlier this decade and were seen as a capable side while Mayo beat the mighty Dubs in Croke Park and have reached 2 All Ireland Finals and been to the latter stages regularly.  But in the years in question its common knowledge that Tyrone have had serious factors going against them in 2004 their captain passed away and I am sure this shifted the focus from football to the more important things in life while in 2006 the Tyrone side available to be put out for the championship was a shadow of the side that had won the All Ireland the previous September.  Consistency is one thing but throw in the route a team from Munster has to the latter stages of an All Ireland final with that of a team from Ulster and you will see that one path is a little easier, and again that's common knowledge.  You question why Tyrone have less titles than Kerry considering how great the Tyrone players are - I feel that its a stretch to far even for the Tyrone players to play long enough to equal Kerry's total.  But you never know  ;)

Nrico - Resorting to personal abuse is a sign your losing the arguement.....Have Kerry lost to anyone at the level of Laois/Mayo (in fact they absolutely destroyed Mayo in the All-Ireland)...They have lost to Tyrone that is effectively it. Yes you lost your captain in 04 and that was a massive loss I agree but Kerry have suffered massive retirements and losing players also and still made finals/semi-finals....I was asking why over the last decade why they have less and been far less consistent....What your saying is that Tyrone need to have everyone available to win it seems...

How can anyone be comparing Mayo & Laois as being on the same level over the last 5 years or so, Mayo have been miles ahead of them, and a bit ahead of Dublin, the records in both Championship & League prove that & also in head to head matches. Leinster teams V outside opposite opposition has been awfull over that time, while Connacht & esp. Mayo had a very good record. Only teams over that period that can be put ahead of Mayo was Tyrone & Kerry, maybe Cork & Armagh a few years back.

Quote from: Hound on July 29, 2009, 02:42:41 PM
Any word on Donaghy? Irish Times this morning said he'll probably be on the bench, but apparently it was on the radio this morning that he's out.

Kerry still have a lot of options for the forward line. If whatever they go with doesnt work, they do have room to change.

Any word on possible changes to the Dublin team? An unchanged line-up bar Cullen for Ger would be the obvious. Can't see any more changes in defence, though I wonder would Hubbard be a better man for Darren O'Sullivan than Andrews?

I think I'd go with Whelan and McConnell at midfield but I'm admittedly biased against Magee. Connolly is the one forward under pressure for his place, and I wonder are the management thinking of putting McConnell at half forward with Whelo/Magee in the middle. At least that would give us one potential game changing forward option off the bench. Burke is fine as a workhorse off the bench, but he's not what you'd call a dangerman, and I don't rate Quinn's ability whatsoever to change a game off the bench.

Really looking forward to it.

Looks like just the one change.

Tickets still on sale on TM , just nabbed a few there.

Kerry team V Dublin in All Ireland Quarter Final 09

(1) Diarmuid Murphy  (Dingle)
(2) Marc Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht)
(3)  Tommy Griffin (Dingle)
(4) Tom O'Sullivan   (Rathmore)
(5) Tomás Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht)
(6) Mike McCarthy  (Kilcummin)
(7) Killian Young (Renard) 
(8) Darragh Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht)
(9) Seamus Scanlon  (Currow)
(10) Paul Galvin  (Finuge)
(11) Declan O'Sullivan  (Piarsaigh Na Dromada)
(12) Donnacha Walsh  (Cromane)
(13) Colm Cooper (Dr. Crokes)
(14) Tommy Walsh  (Kerins O'Rahilly)
(15) Darran O'Sullivan (Glenbeigh/Glencar) (Captain)

Subs:
(16) Ger Reidy  (Castleisland Desmonds)
(17) Aidan O'Mahony  (Rathmore)   
(18) Tadhg Kennelly  (Listowel Emmetts)
(19) Seán O'Sullivan  (Cromane)
(20)  Micheal Quirke  (Kerins O'Rahillys) 
(21) Paul O'Connor (Kenmare)
(22) Padraig Reidy (Scartaglin)
(23) Aidan O'Shea (Glenbeigh/Glencar) 
(24) Bryan Sheehan (St. Mary's)
(25) David Moran  (Kerins O'Rahilly's)
(26) Daniel Bohan (Austin Stacks)
(27) Barry John Walsh  (Kerins O'Rahillys))
(28) Kieran Quirke  (Duagh) 
(29) Maurice Corridan  (Finuge))
(30) Anthony Maher (Duagh)

cant believe tadhgs not starting :-[

Line out the subs by position and I bet they give the starting 15 a run for it.

Edit...the subs mobility with Moran and Maher in the middle of the field give the subs the edge.

No major surprises in the Kerry line up but Jack has swung the axe in a few lines.

Concerned about Tommy Griffin in the full back line, he will probably pick up Kearney.
Expect Marc O'Se on Jayo and Tom O'Sullivan on Bernard Brogan, if that is how the Dubs line up.

But we have been anything but setted in this line so far this year and we will have to make changes quickly if things not going to plan early in game.

We have full back line options to bring on with Padraig Reidy who did well against Dublin 2 years ago and also Aidan O'Shea, Aidan O'Mahony, and even the height of Daniel Bohane if required

The half line see Tomas restored instead of O'Mahony after his 30 minutes "rest last weekend, hopefully his fire will be up for the Dubs, the O'Se's love playing Dublin. Again O'Mahony or O'Shea could come in and do a job. Mike Mc has done well on his return and the release from the shackles of the full back role he had in an earlier life has done the team well. Stil lwill have his hands full with one of the Brogans next weekend. Killian Young's return to full fitness is a boost and his speed, and defensive qualities will be much in need on Monday.

Darragh will hopefully have blown out a bit more of the dirty petrol this week and has improved in the last few games, will still only be probaly 60 mins in him but expect few skelps between himself and Whelan if they meet. Scanlon too has come into some form, but distribution has let him down. Will need another 10% improvement this week, Quirke will be in for the last 15-20 mins and expects him to win his share of ball , his mobility has always been a problem, but I wonder who will track Shane Ryan when introduced.Good to see Anthony Maher back in the panel from injury but this a a game too soon for him, David  Moran and Kennelly could also be used here and again Jack need ot react if we are not winning ball.

Our half line looks like a line of strength and all3 will scrap for midfield ball, Galvin is playing well but hopefully he still has more in him, needs to keep his concentration on football matters and not get dragged into any off the ball stuff, the Jackeens will try and wind him up, Declan too has shown spurts of his ability so far but needs a good 70 mins here in the engine room and providde the front men with plenty of workable ball. Walsh will contribute early but has a tendancy to fade and I'd expect him to make way for Kennelly or Moran.

The Gooch makes a welcome return after sitting in the bold boy corner for a while last weekend, still playing below par , but he still puts the shits up most defenders, and if Tommy Walsh can lay him off for a few early scores he could just click. I think he is not far away and just his confidence is a bit low. I'd expect Cooper to take the frees and he needs to settle early.

Tommy needs to bring Darren and Gooch into the game , has been inclined to go for his own scores sometimes when players are in better positions but he will hopefully torment Bastick and run at him if he gets a chance too.

Darren too need to take his opportunity and get in with a few scores, another who will be subbed if things are not going his way with Bryan Sheenhan  Paul O'Connor and  BJ Walsh all vying for his spot.

It all roads to Croker now and hopefully we can get into the game early and at least keep the ball kicked out to Dublin  ;)

The excitement is building, Dublin games always gets the blood flowing for any Kerry man , its the life long tradition of Culchie v Jackeen I suppose and one of the few games where we have the support of most of the other counties. Hard to call how it will go
but it could be the last hurrah for many Kerry players and they will not go down without a fight.

The B Team... something along these lines.

Ger Reidy  (Castleisland Desmonds)
Kieran Quirke  (Duagh) 
Aidan O'Shea (Glenbeigh/Glencar) 
Padraig Reidy (Scartaglin)
Maurice Corridan  (Finuge))
Aidan O'Mahony  (Rathmore)   
Daniel Bohan (Austin Stacks)
Micheal Quirke  (Kerins O'Rahillys)
Anthony Maher (Duagh)
David Moran  (Kerins O'Rahilly's)
Tadhg Kennelly  (Listowel Emmetts)
Seán O'Sullivan  (Cromane)
Paul O'Connor (Kenmare)
Bryan Sheehan (St. Mary's)
Barry John Walsh  (Kerins O'Rahillys))

03.08.2009 (Mon)
GAA Football All Ireland Senior Championship
Quarter Finals
Páirc an Chrócaigh 2.00pm Áth Cliath v Ciarraí RTE2
Referee: Pat McEnaney (Muineachán)
(E.T. if Necessary)


Good call giving McEnaney the whistle for this. One of the better ones...

Cullen in for Brennan is only change to the named team - I wouldn't be surprised to see a change or two on the day.

Not a chance in hell of that Kerry 'team' starting..

In his time in charge Jack has never named a dummy team so I would be surprised if that team does not start.
Hope Tommy Griffin will do OK but I suspect it may be a disaster waiting to happen, have to say I was surprised Padraig Reidy is not starting.
We need to stick on the dubs coat tails for as long as possible.

Kerry Mike - are you up friday evening to sort out the traffic lights for the team coach or what.

I hope to be away early Monday morning sometime one I've greased the Massey Ferguson. I'm a small bit concerned that it won't understand the Garmin Sat Nav but shure it'll know the way anyway.

Is it still one way along the canals?

QuoteKerry Mike - are you up friday evening to sort out the traffic lights for the team coach or what.

Yes going on Friday to get a good run at the weekend. The bottle of tae will hardly last until Monday but will keep it in my sock for as long as possible.

One last fling, KM. I hope you have a new avatar ready. For once the country is behind Dublin.

Quote from: armaghniac on July 30, 2009, 01:23:14 AM
One last fling, KM. I hope you have a new avatar ready. For once the country is behind Dublin.

Not a chance, most people will be supporting Kerry.

I will be supporting the Dubs as I want a Tyrone v Dublin final.

I really can't decide how this match is gonna go.
Kerry certainly seem to have their problems but think they'll be happy to be back in HQ and wont be scared of Dublin.

Dublin look a better team than this time last year and they seem to have the new tactic of holding some of the older heads in reserve for the all important last 10-15 mins.

I think if they can tighten up their defence & deal with Tommy "hold yer man off" Walsh & Gooch then they've a good chance.
Bernard Brogan will cause them trouble but Alan needs to up his perfromance from the Kildare game.

I can't pick a winner but unless Kerry wake up from their summer slumber so far I think they could make for an early exit.

I watched the Road to Croker from last week there last night.
Just wondering what is going through Tagh Kennelly's head this last few days when he's struggling to make the team and the team are not firing on all cyclinders.
He was saying that in Sydney the club does everything for you like get you a new car or new TV
I wonder does he miss it at all and does he feel like many people who have been away from home for a number of years that he doesn't really belong anywhere any more.

From the Kerry team that got to All-Ireland Minor Finals and U21 finals in last 2-3 years,are Tommy Walsh, BJ Walsh and David Moran the onle ones to make it through to senior ranks?

Killian Young is another anyway and i'm sure one or two of the subs are as well.

I remember a boy who was full forward on one of thse teams Paddy Curran, he was a class minor player.  Is he still playing football.

Am surprised there was no changes in the middle of the park but maybe the plan is spring Wheelo and Ryan off the bench if needed .

Quote from: LandErIn on July 30, 2009, 03:21:32 PM
I remember a boy who was full forward on one of thse teams Paddy Curran, he was a class minor player.  Is he still playing football.

Paddy Curran did his cruciate last year, not sure if he is back playing yet. Paul O'Connor is another from the U21s on the panel. Another, Kieran O'Leary pulled out of the panel on his own accord.

Tadhg Kennelly would be a definite starter only for injury, his hand is still nor right. He was Kerry's best player over both games against Cork. I would have him midfield.

Amazed Tommy Griffin is starting, very vulnerable at full back.

Both teams have dodgy full backs?

Quote from: LandErIn on July 30, 2009, 03:21:32 PM
I remember a boy who was full forward on one of thse teams Paddy Curran, he was a class minor player.  Is he still playing football.

He was the class act on the team that lost the 2006 Minor Final Final to end all Finals to the Rossies. Seemed a class player alright but even Ros haven't yet brought through many of that team. Wasn't Tommy Walsh midfield on that team?

Tommy famously caught 14 kickouts in the first half of that game in Croke Park. Never seen anything like it. Don't know why kerry don't use him as a roving corner forward with a licence to come out for kickouts.

Quote from: armaghniac on July 30, 2009, 01:23:14 AM
One last fling, KM. I hope you have a new avatar ready. For once the country is behind Dublin.

Speak for yourself armaghniac.  ;)

Everyone I'm talking to about this game seems convinced that Dublin will win it. When I point out that they only just got past Kildare, who are about to be beaten by Tyrone, they just stare at me as if the information hasn't computed!

I realise Kerry haven't beaten anyone special either, and were very fortunate against Longford and Sligo. But they're still standing, they have tons of experience  - including experience of beating Dublin in CP, they have a clear historical edge over Dublin (which shouldn't matter, but does) AND they're underdogs with the bookies.

Maybe Kerry will be beaten on Monday. But I can't see it.

We did play for 55mins with 14 men against Kildare- again maybe you missed that. I'd love to see how Tyrone handle Kildare down to 14 men.
I wouldn't see this being anything but a tight game. And I don't think any other Dublin fan sees anything else. But this is the best chance we will get. Kerry haven't been in form and if we're evre going to beat them -its monday.
But we've been let down so often by the current Dublin team that we go in hope rather than expectation on Monday but be under no illusions - we'll never get a better chance and if we can't seal it on Monday then we've made no progress this year. Thats the reality

Quote from: HowAreYeGettinOn on July 30, 2009, 04:36:20 PM
Everyone I'm talking to about this game seems convinced that Dublin will win it. When I point out that they only just got past Kildare, who are about to be beaten by Tyrone, they just stare at me as if the information hasn't computed!

I realise Kerry haven't beaten anyone special either, and were very fortunate against Longford and Sligo. But they're still standing, they have tons of experience  - including experience of beating Dublin in CP, they have a clear historical edge over Dublin (which shouldn't matter, but does) AND they're underdogs with the bookies.

Maybe Kerry will be beaten on Monday. But I can't see it.

Scuuuuse me!!

Most worried about the two O'Sulivans on Cullen and Andrews.

Quote from: Hound on July 30, 2009, 06:06:20 PM
Most worried about the two O'Sulivans on Cullen and Andrews.

If we win the midfield battle we won't have to worry about either. Midfield is where I'm most worried about because I think Whelan should be playing.

There were some nice tickets on ticketmaster there for the match. I picked up a few nice lower cusacks.

I think Dublin will win this game by five or six points, Kerry may be fooling us all with this below avaerage form but I dont know that they have it in them any more, I hope not.

Quote from: stew on July 30, 2009, 06:33:42 PM
I think Dublin will win this game by five or six points, Kerry may be fooling us all with this below avaerage form but I dont know that they have it in them any more, I hope not.

Thought the same until I read the kerry teamsheet including subs. A lot of class players still and some bench if its going wrong. We don't have anything like the bench depth they have. We have 2/3 excellent subs to bring on but its thin after that. They've 6/7.

I'd disagree, Kerry don't have 6 or 7 subs to bring on at all and in fact I think they've a number of players on the starting 15 who aren't all that great either.

Quote from: Frank Casey on July 29, 2009, 11:30:24 PM
Is it still one way along the canals?

Not at all Frank, and if you're driving it's both ways along the Grand too  ;)

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2009, 07:06:35 PM

Quote from: Frank Casey on July 29, 2009, 11:30:24 PM
Is it still one way along the canals?

Not at all Frank, and if you're driving it's both ways along the Grand too  ;)

Feck it - auto pilot on the sat nav then. I'll bring the muck spreader too might be handy.

Quote from: HowAreYeGettinOn on July 30, 2009, 04:36:20 PM
Everyone I'm talking to about this game seems convinced that Dublin will win it. When I point out that they only just got past Kildare, who are about to be beaten by Tyrone, they just stare at me as if the information hasn't computed!

.

Or maybe they're staring at you because they don't understand the relevance of your computation?

Quote from: stew on July 30, 2009, 06:33:42 PM
I think Dublin will win this game by five or six points, Kerry may be fooling us all with this below avaerage form but I dont know that they have it in them any more, I hope not.

I think the Dubs can finally beat them but they need a good lead going into the last 10 mins.

Quote from: Frank Casey on July 30, 2009, 07:09:56 PM
Feck it - auto pilot on the sat nav then. I'll bring the muck spreader too might be handy.

A barge would be the handiest of all.

Seriously, both ways along the Grand when you swing a right at Bluebell, though you'll have a job, even with the muckspreader, along the Royal.

while I thnk the dubs are not firing on all cylinders yet, I really think they can take kerry and get to the all Ireland final.

cork , Tyrone or Donegal will be a great match.

imo the most open championship in years. Great for football.

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2009, 07:15:52 PM

Quote from: Frank Casey on July 30, 2009, 07:09:56 PM
Feck it - auto pilot on the sat nav then. I'll bring the muck spreader too might be handy.

A barge would be the handiest of all.

Seriously, both ways along the Grand when you swing a right at Bluebell, though you'll have a job, even with the muckspreader, along the Royal.

I really thing that the stirring spreading of sh*t muck could be vital on Monday.

Whats your call FSB??

Quote from: Frank Casey on July 30, 2009, 10:50:35 PM
Whats your call FSB??

Good question Frank.

I think that Kerry will get it together in this one, they'll finally find that groove and snap into that familiar rhythm of lethal precision... but alas, I think that Dublin will have built up such a head of steam, consolidated their lead with sheer manic industry and mad purpose, and will frustrate the Kerry lads with their Hill-16 fuelled exuberance, that they'll actually prevail on the day; they'll actually mark up their first victory since 1977 against the indomitable (for the Dubs) Kingdom; 1977... when Michael Jackson was still black, wow! Kerry will rise, but the tank will have emptied somewhere around the 3/4 mark, and Jack O'Connor will curse the day he ever darkened the threshold of the CB's office to take the county reins again. Part II of his autobiography beckons - The Curse of the Kingdom.

Sorry Frank, though could be wrong  ;)

FSB for the first time since the short pants I've a worry about facing the Dubs. I feel that we might sneak it by one or leave it behind us by twelve. Cannot make up mind but if we can just get a flow going..................................................................... what ya doing the third Sunday in September?????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That might sound cocky - not meant to. To beat the Dubs we'll have to perform. If we can get even just one real performance well............whatever.

I know what you mean, I'd always be concerned about an underperforming Kerry team with proven pedigree. I think Darren O'Sullivan called it just right at the weekend after the Antrim game when he said that the Qualifiers were all about getting through, not about performances, as our performances in the Qualifiers of last year are eloquent testimony to. If there's the same improvement in yourselves as there was in ourselves this time last year against the Dubs, then I think this is an impossible call.

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2009, 11:21:12 PM
I know what you mean, I'd always be concerned about an underperforming Kerry team with proven pedigree. I think Darren O'Sullivan called it just right at the weekend after the Antrim game when he said that the Qualifiers were all about getting through, not about performances, as our performances in the Qualifiers of last year are eloquent testimony to. If there's the same improvement in yourselves as there was in ourselves this time last year against the Dubs, then I think this is an impossible call.

Agree with that. Second pair of boxers for the journey.

Dublin to lead the game by 9pts only to lose by 1pt what ya think ;)

Quote from: ross4life on July 31, 2009, 12:28:37 AM
Dublin to lead the game by 9pts only to lose by 1pt what ya think ;)

wouldn't surprise me. But i can't see us going  9 pts up or anything near it.

Those performances have nothing to do with a team peaking. They are simply bad days at he office and some days you survive - some years you don't. Its simply down to luck and an inability to put teams away rather than any talent Tyrone or Kerry have for peaking. The longer you stay in a competition the better chance you have of performing at some stage.
And thats all it is is a lack of convicition. I remember in vincents recent all-ireland run 2 years - twice they should have been beaten but weren't. And thats what concerns me about Monday- because at some stage Kerry are going to play well. And its a question of whether we can cope with that.

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2009, 11:07:08 PM

Kerry will rise, but the tank will have emptied somewhere around the 3/4 mark

As always, FOSB hits the nail on the head. I think Kerry will put it up to the Dubs but if they run out of steam with 15/20 minutes to go, the Dubs will win, possibly decisively. On the other hand, if Kerry can manage to match the Dubs for 60/65 minutes, the longer they hold on, the greater the chance that the Dubs will blink before they do. It promises to be a fascinating contest.

I have a fondness for the Dubs, just like you have for a cow that just goes on milking.
but I'm changing my mind on this games probable outcome and veering towards Kerry.

I suspect Galvin will be the key to that extra Kerry performance.
Looking forward to a great atmosphere and a great game.

Plenty of tickets available now on Ticketmaster for Monday's game.

Fair point Indiana - I hadn't factored in that the Dubs were down to 14 for most of the Kildare match.

Monday is certainly the best chance they'll get to beat Kerry. Maybe they will.

Really looking forward to this. This is a massive, squad-defining game for the Dubs. Last year's humiliation is still fresh. When was the last time the Dubs were favourites to defeat Kerry?

Speaking of odds, some interesting bets on Paddy Power (tho as usual probably get better value elsewhere)

Who'll score more.

Bernard Brogan (8/11) vs Colm Cooper (Evs)

Conal Keaney (4/6) vs Tommy Walsh (11/10)

Alan Brogan (4/6) vs Paul Galvin (11/10)

From a Dubs perspective I wouldnt risk any shillings on the first two, but I think Al is good value 

Quote from: ONeill on July 31, 2009, 02:06:58 PM
. When was the last time the Dubs were favourites to defeat Kerry?

1978 All Ireland Final  ;)

I'll probably stay on after the Minor game till half time at least. If it looks like being a close run thing I'll wait for the full game.

it's sold out!

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=115813

Quote from: ross4life on July 31, 2009, 04:50:32 PM
it's sold out!

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=115813

Tickets still on ticketmaster. Returned ones.

After Dublins loss to Tyrone last year there were many fans saying the didn't want Dublin to win Leinster this year. Would any still be of that opinion today?

Draw with kerry to come thru in replay. This kerry team looks out on its feet, some of the older guard looks finished and they look so susceptible to pace attacking them right thru the middle, which no doubt dublin have, but beware the wounded animal.

There is so much class and ability in this kerry team and I fully expect them to rise up in croker!

Quote from: goldenyears on July 31, 2009, 08:34:58 PM

There is so much class and ability in this kerry team and I fully expect them to rise up in croker!

That's the key point - Dublin are in a good streak of form, but regardless of form, Kerry have the medals to show they can do it when required.

I'm going for Dubs but won't be gobsmacked by 4pm on Monday if Kerry turn it on - I just can't see them winning midfield though..

I've been saying Dublin all week, but something tells me now that Kerry's season is about to turn and they're going to come out with all guns blazing on Monday. Kerry to take this game, which is disappointing I say.

I'd be pessimistic enough about our chances to be honest. The last 1/4 against antrim was very positive but we'd need to play that for the full 70 agin Dublin. Hopefully we have turned the corner. Paul Galvin has been a real leader in the last two games. Mike Mac has been a very worthwhile recruit. The absence of a consistent freetaker is a concern as we will need to convert every possible opportunity against the Dubs into scores. One of the positives for Dublin this year is the absence of Pillar. (Whats the betting the tv cameras pick him out on duty at Croker on Monday?!)

Heart say, head say - this one is impossible to know one way or the other. BUT if Kerry are close with 10 mins to go who knows?

I think we are in for a roller coaster

what price a draw? Banty will surely be told if its close to blow it up and another big payday for the chiefs in Jones rd!

I'm telling ye - second pair of jocks.

15/2 with Paddy P. Will you be puttin a few euros on it Frank?

Quote from: comethekingdom on July 31, 2009, 10:56:58 PM
what price a draw? Banty will surely be told if its close to blow it up and another big payday for the chiefs in Jones rd!

Bear in mind there's extra time if its level (as with all the quarter-finals), meaning a replay is less likely.

Quote from: Zapatista on July 31, 2009, 08:30:19 PM
After Dublins loss to Tyrone last year there were many fans saying the didn't want Dublin to win Leinster this year. Would any still be of that opinion today?

I don't think its a case that Dublin wanted to lose in Leinster, but its probably been felt that winning Leinster has been doing us more harm than good in recent years. What we really wanted was a team or two to step up to the plate and put it up to us. Personally I would certainly have preferred to lose to Kildare by 1 point, than beat them by 10+, but beating them in a close game was first preference!

But its hard to know whether the Leinster final was two good teams playing in a good game, or two mediocre teams making each other look good because of their leaky defences. But whatever you say both teams' forwards kicked points very well - every Kildare forward scored at least 2 from play, which is quite the achievement (also that means every Dub back let his opponent score twice!!).

At the end of the day, the bald facts are that Dublin have won 3 games of real significance that I can remember in the last 14 years - which is ridiculous for a team with reasonably talented players (and by "real significance" I mean playing against a team who could potentially beat us in a game that if we lose, we're out).

I think if this Dublin team played this Kerry team 10 times, we'd win around 4 times, so going in with lots of hope rather than lots of confidence.

I have a feeling Galvin will get sent off.

Quote from: Hound on August 01, 2009, 07:30:04 AM

Quote from: Zapatista on July 31, 2009, 08:30:19 PM
After Dublins loss to Tyrone last year there were many fans saying the didn't want Dublin to win Leinster this year. Would any still be of that opinion today?

I don't think its a case that Dublin wanted to lose in Leinster, but its probably been felt that winning Leinster has been doing us more harm than good in recent years. What we really wanted was a team or two to step up to the plate and put it up to us. Personally I would certainly have preferred to lose to Kildare by 1 point, than beat them by 10+, but beating them in a close game was first preference!

But its hard to know whether the Leinster final was two good teams playing in a good game, or two mediocre teams making each other look good because of their leaky defences. But whatever you say both teams' forwards kicked points very well - every Kildare forward scored at least 2 from play, which is quite the achievement (also that means every Dub back let his opponent score twice!!).

At the end of the day, the bald facts are that Dublin have won 3 games of real significance that I can remember in the last 14 years - which is ridiculous for a team with reasonably talented players (and by "real significance" I mean playing against a team who could potentially beat us in a game that if we lose, we're out).

I think if this Dublin team played this Kerry team 10 times, we'd win around 4 times, so going in with lots of hope rather than lots of confidence.

The only good thing about the Leinster final was that with 14 men we manged to win the game against a reasonably good outfit. To be honest we will know the value of the Leinster final after the kildare v tyrone match tomorrow. I was more confident last week then I am now. If Bernard is held- I think we might struggle a bit.

Quote from: bcarrier on August 01, 2009, 10:48:32 AM
I have a feeling Galvin will get sent off.

Hope not. Don't want another circus.

Quote from: bcarrier on August 01, 2009, 10:48:32 AM
I have a feeling Galvin will get sent off.

Dont think so. He seems to more focused this year, unlike most of his team mates. Although that could all change on Monday. ;)

Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on August 01, 2009, 11:42:43 AM

Quote from: bcarrier on August 01, 2009, 10:48:32 AM
I have a feeling Galvin will get sent off.

Dont think so. He seems to more focused this year, unlike most of his team mates. Although that could all change on Monday. ;)

Can't see that myself either. Best wing forward in the game along with Dooher.

Galvin seems to be on a more controlled boil in the last couple of matches. He's a key man for Monday.

Couldn't see Galvin getting sent off either, but depending how things are going for Kerry in the last quarter, if they're not going well, and there's an inevitability about the result (for the Dubs) one or two of the veterans (whose last year it is) could sail a bit close to the wind, but a bit too close for Mc Enaney.

Massive game for both teams and very close to call. However i think there is at least one big game left in the Kingdom and think
they could just shade it by a point or two in the last 10 minutes.

Quote from: bcarrier on August 01, 2009, 10:48:32 AM
I have a feeling Galvin will get sent off.

It wont be just Galvin.

Galvin is on the path of redemption

My head says Dublin, my heart says Kerry -- I just hope I'm wrong

By Paidi O Se


Sunday August 02 2009

There has never been a match that I have found more difficult to assess than tomorrow's clash between a floundering Kerry and a resurgent Dublin.

Apart from the closing stages of last Sunday's win over Antrim, Kerry have been alarmingly dysfunctional in this year's championships.

In the years before the back door was opened, they would have been unceremoniously bundled out at the Munster final stage, without having to prolong the agony against Longford, Sligo and Antrim.

Any cautious optimism in Kerry about this match can only be put down to that familiar human condition, the triumph of hope over experience.

The hope is that the combination of Dublin as opponents and Croke Park as venue will re-awaken the X-factor in Kerry, the stuff you can't bottle that has won them so many All-Irelands in the past, whether you call it self-belief, confidence, will, or the last drop of adrenalin that gets you over the line.

On the other hand, Kerry's real experience in this year's championships is of a strangely hesitant side which, though full of talent and real guts, simply can't get its act together, can't fix on the best combination to put out on the field, and through its body language alone, looks like a loser.

Any Kerry supporter who has not identified these symptoms can only be in denial. To be fair, most Kerry followers, no matter how loyal they are in their hearts, are only too well aware of what I'm talking about.

I don't doubt that Kerry have the footballing ability to beat an impressive Dublin team that is gathering strength as it goes along. But will they be able to get into their minds, bodies and psyches the X-factor which in the past has made Kerry teams unbeatable?

Dublin, to me, look like a well-conditioned team. Pat Gilroy will have psychologically countered some of the razzmatazz that inevitably accompanies a few Dublin successes. He will have tried to innoculate the team from the effects of the media hype. Dublin will have about them a freshness, a fitness, a sense of purpose, and an impressive discipline, notwithstanding the incident in the Leinster final.

Pound for pound through the field, Kerry have by far the better footballers; they will have a big edge with their ball skills, their speed of movement on and off the ball, and their kicking ability. Another advantage possessed by Kerry is that they have had four competitive championship matches, none of them played at a frantic pace, all of which went down to the wire. Only in the last five or six minutes against Antrim did Kerry pull clear, but they were in a real contest in all the games and that might come to their assistance.

A big imponderable will be the state of the pitch. It has been completely re-sodded and two matches will be played on it today. The weather forecast is uncertain, and if there is a wet ball on the freshly covered surface it will be a total lottery.

Kerry, I believe, will have the advantage at midfield through Darragh ó Sé and Seamus Scanlon, a pair I expect to have the beating of Darren Magee and Ross McConnell. This game is made for Tadhg Kennelly. He is a player with an engine that will be well able to stand up to the physical and footballing demands of the contest.

Don't expect either team to actually play as it lines out. The Kerry defence will have men earmarked to cover Alan and Bernard Brogan, and that will apply irrespective of what positions the talented Dublin brothers play in.

Similarly, Pat Gilroy will have Declan O'Sullivan, Colm Cooper and Tommy Walsh earmarked for the attention of specific defenders, no matter what positions those Kerry forwards play the game in.

Dublin, it must be said, have looked in better shape than Kerry in the earlier rounds, and their performances have to be respected, especially the wins over Westmeath and Kildare.

Rarely have I wrestled so much with my thoughts about a football match as I have on this occasion. I'm drawing on my own experience of 17 years as a player and 15 years as a manager, in an effort to come to a valid prediction, whether it be right or wrong, about the outcome.

Reluctantly, I have decided that I have no option but to go with the evidence that is before me, which is that this Kerry team is afflicted with some malaise of the spirit that, up to now, has severely and cruelly blocked them from expressing their potential.

There is something psychologically stunted about the way they are playing at the moment. That is all I have to go on. My heart and my sense of hope will have me say otherwise, but it is with no joy that I today predict a Dublin victory, possibly by a narrow margin.

I could well be wrong, of course. But form in any sport is a fickle mistress. On Tuesday evening last, Aidan O'Brien's horse Rip Van Winkle, was 'ten out of ten lame' with a quarter crack in a hind hoof.

He went out the following afternoon to win the Sussex Stakes at Goodwood. "It never happens. I was ready to show the white flag. It was down to the team that he made it," said an amazed O'Brien afterwards.

Yes, it never happens -- except when it does!

This match is a classic case of the heart versus the head. My head says Dublin, my heart says Kerry.

And on this occasion I am going, unwillingly, with the voice of reason. My heart hopes I'm wrong and that Kerry, like Rip Van Winkle, will awake from their slumbers and play with all the verve and flair that we know is within their capacity.

Come on Kerry!

PS: Last week we buried Canon Pat O'Doherty, formerly of Rathmore, the first stop of the Kerry train within the borders of the county on our way home from All-Ireland victories. Pat would make a great speech from the platform ending with 'I hope to see you all again a year from now'.

- Paidi O Se

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Quote from: comethekingdom on July 31, 2009, 10:56:58 PM
what price a draw? Banty will surely be told if its close to blow it up and another big payday for the chiefs in Jones rd!

Bear in mind there's extra time if its level (as with all the quarter-finals), meaning a replay is less likely.

Is there? I didn't think that was in place for QF's. Though it only applied to qualifiers and early rounds in the provinces.

Quote from: Owenmoresider on August 02, 2009, 05:56:17 PM

Quote from: Hound on August 01, 2009, 07:08:46 AM

Quote from: comethekingdom on July 31, 2009, 10:56:58 PM
what price a draw? Banty will surely be told if its close to blow it up and another big payday for the chiefs in Jones rd!

Bear in mind there's extra time if its level (as with all the quarter-finals), meaning a replay is less likely.

Is there? I didn't think that was in place for QF's. Though it only applied to qualifiers and early rounds in the provinces.

ET if necessary for all QTR finals,

Calling all Dubs, can you please do me a huge favour, Im working tomorrow, can you please delay the Throw in by about 2hrs so I can see the game ;).... Cheers and good luck,

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 02, 2009, 06:22:54 PM
Calling all Dubs, can you please do me a huge favour, Im working tomorrow, can you please delay the Throw in by about 2hrs so I can see the game ;).... Cheers and good luck,

FFS Sligonian they don't need anymore encouragement.

Delayed Kerry games this year: 2
Delayed Dublin games this year: 0

Won't be delayed. As stated many times before the entrances to the Canal End and Hill 16 have been widened some seasons ago to stop the crowd chaos in the non AIF 70,000 plus games.

Very mute show of colours here in the City......... last year's shameful defeat to Tyrone has imo left us very wary and defeatist.None of this mythical "hype" to be seen.

I wonder will Kerry come out and practice on the hill 16 end tomorrow before the game, some laugh if they do!!  ;) Whats the story with Dublin and them having to go up the hill end before every game anyway??  ???

Can you claim back concessions on the Nally for young bucks and aul lads?

Cheers

Quote from: down6061689194 on August 02, 2009, 10:14:35 PM
Can you claim back concessions on the Nally for young bucks and aul lads?

Cheers

Rob someone.

What price for Cluxton to come off his line giving away a contraversial free and Cooper lobbing him before he gets back on hs line?

Also, any odds on Dublin falling to bits once Kerry gets half way on top of them?

Sitting at work today in the north. Is this match on the wireless so i can listen to it.

What times the game kick off??????

Quote from: Hereiam on August 03, 2009, 09:29:49 AM
Sitting at work today in the north. Is this match on the wireless so i can listen to it.

Your avatar mesmerises me :o

Who is she?

Ya it'll be on justin tv aswell to watch but I cant access the radio or streams at work >:(,,,rte website will have the radio coverage for sure.

Would you believe me if I said it was my current squeeze. Nah thought not. Don't know who it is.

Dubs line out as named - despite speculation Connolly is starting and Whelan is not starting.

Bernard is going centre forward and Alan into the corner - Keaney into the other corner

Quote from: Hereiam on August 03, 2009, 09:29:49 AM
Sitting at work today in the north. Is this match on the wireless so i can listen to it.

Be only worth listening to if its Michael doing the commentary. That eejit Carty would rip the guts out of a good wireless : :-\

will justin.tv deff have it?

Quote from: Family guy on August 03, 2009, 10:19:03 AM
What times the game kick off??????

::) We call it throw in  :o

Just heading in now. Think Dublin will lose in a other classic  ::)

Quote from: Gnevin on August 03, 2009, 12:19:30 PM
Just heading in now. Think Dublin will lose in a other classic  ::)

dont be late ;D

Any late changes?

RTE graphic says throw in 2:15...was it not supposed to be 2:00pm??

Time to call it...Dubs by 5

Looks like with the minors going to extra time this main show has been put back. Simple as that

any links?

Quote from: Hereiam on August 03, 2009, 01:39:35 PM
Looks like with the minors going to extra time this main show has been put back. Simple as that

Just realised this myself...d'oh :-[

http://www.rte.ie/live/index.html

Kerry by 2

Quote from: anportmorforjfc on August 03, 2009, 01:47:45 PM
Kerry by 2

Same as.

Confirmation throw in now 2.15 due to minors going to ET. As for feeds, its not justin.tv its a fella nern that does it through justin.tv and it looks like he's got caught and had his account suspended. Don't think he's had the last few games anyway, so it'll be the crap RTE feed off their site or some IP blocking fiddling for those outside Ireland.

Hah just checked out channel 167 on sky: "Info TV2" which has the game with "Setanta Sports" in the corner. Its Free as I don't have the sky subscription, just the box.

Quote from: illdecide on August 03, 2009, 01:42:11 PM
http://www.rte.ie/live/index.html

Was working fine and then suddenly jsut stopped - damn it.

dublin by 2! think brogan will come up trumps!

kerry win , no idea how close

Heart says Dublin - really hope they get over the line. I just can't write Kerry off

Quote from: wherefromreferee? on August 03, 2009, 01:52:46 PM

Quote from: illdecide on August 03, 2009, 01:42:11 PM
http://www.rte.ie/live/index.html

Was working fine and then suddenly jsut stopped - damn it.

Shuts down during commercial breaks...try again

Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on August 03, 2009, 02:01:39 PM

Quote from: wherefromreferee? on August 03, 2009, 01:52:46 PM

Quote from: illdecide on August 03, 2009, 01:42:11 PM
http://www.rte.ie/live/index.html

Was working fine and then suddenly jsut stopped - damn it.

Shuts down during commercial breaks...try again

cant see it outside Ireland  :(

Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 03, 2009, 02:02:48 PM

Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on August 03, 2009, 02:01:39 PM

Quote from: wherefromreferee? on August 03, 2009, 01:52:46 PM

Quote from: illdecide on August 03, 2009, 01:42:11 PM
http://www.rte.ie/live/index.html

Was working fine and then suddenly jsut stopped - damn it.

Shuts down during commercial breaks...try again

cant see it outside Ireland  :(

The geo-block works through your IP address. If you can find a way to stop your IP address being detected you should be able to see it anywhere. Try something like that:

http://cupidstunt.wordpress.com/2008/07/13/how-to-get-around-the-rte-geoblock-without-using-an-irish-proxy/

GOAL

Gooch

Gooch goal after 40 seconds :o

GOAL!
 
;D Jaysus this is gonna be craic!!!

Lads anywhere else I could get watching the game? rte.ie is f**king up surprise surprise.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

justin.tv working ok here

Great score by O'Sullivan

Try Sky 167 i you have it

http://www.justin.tv/sportssetanta (http://www.justin.tv/sportssetanta)

http://www.justin.tv/sportstime/old

password rebels90

Great start from Kerry. 1-02 to 0-00 after 4 minutes. Dublin can't get started.

Gooch went down easy there. pat told him to get up.

Some shot and save there!

 ;D working.

Hoping the boss doesnt make a return now!!

Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 03, 2009, 02:20:40 PM
Great start from Kerry. 1-02 to 0-00 after 4 minutes. Dublin can't get started.

Gooch went down easy there. pat told him to get up.

Aye seemed like a 2005 effort, but he got caught out that time.

Kerry look sharp though, what a start.

Do you want your beer now SidelineKick?

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Havent choked on the lime yet.

The modern GAA commentry phrase book 101:

"Positions don't mean anything" - already used 2/3 after 10 mins

I'm very annoyed that this is played on a southern bank holiday!!

I want ot watch it and can't cause i'm in work and the ISP must be english registered as rte live won't play!

Some score from Tom O'Sullivan there!

Kerry out of the blocks very fast.

Great scores there by Tom O'Sullivan and Galvin

1-04 to 0-01 after 13 mins

Wonder was Gooch goading his opponent there by hitting that free with his right foot?  ;)

1-05 to 0-01 after 15 mins.

Whelan on for Magee and catches first kickout.
Dublin hit the bar again.

Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 03, 2009, 02:31:16 PM
Wonder was Gooch goading his opponent there by hitting that free with his right foot?  ;)

1-05 to 0-01 after 15 mins.

Whelan on for Magee and catches first kickout.
Dublin hit the bar again.

Deserved one of them 2 to go in anyway, maybe not their day?

Antrim would beat Dublin.

Dublin getting cleaned out at midfield.

Stat came up there that Kerry won all 3 of their kickouts and won 8 out of Dublin's 12!

Dublin need to get Ryan on and put Sherlock on the 40 or this game will be over by half-time.

Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 03, 2009, 02:35:20 PM
Dublin getting cleaned out at midfield.
Stat came up there that Kerry won all 3 of their kickouts and won 8 out of Dublin's 12!

Who's doing all the fetching? Daragh?

Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on August 03, 2009, 02:25:47 AM
...odds on Dublin falling to bits once Kerry gets half way on top of them?

;) Kerry want it badly and Dublin are rattled.

This is turning into the Cork v Donegal game from yesterday. 1-8 to 0-1 now.

Talk about peaking at the right time

Quote from: Lazer on August 03, 2009, 02:27:46 PM
I'm very annoyed that this is played on a southern bank holiday!!

I want ot watch it and can't cause i'm in work and the ISP must be english registered as rte live won't play!

http://www.justin.tv/sportssetanta (http://www.justin.tv/sportssetanta)

Friend at match has text to say there are people leaving already!

Dublin work-rate non-existent.

Kerry playing brilliantly it must be said. 1-10 to 0-1. Blowing Dublin off the field.

Game over I think. 1-10 to 0-02 after 27 minutes. Kerry can do no wrong at all. Dublin cant even get the ball to do anything with it.

Sherlock off, also making another change soon.

Tadgh Kennelly getting ready to come on. Jacko must want him to get some serious play time in Croker for next game.

I thought dublin would be found wanting in defence but not to this extent.

Kerry have the eye of the tiger. This is like the Rocky v. Clubber Lang rematch all over again!! :P

Seriously they need to get Shane Ryan on and try and put Kerry on the back foot.
If the Dubs manage to get a purple patch they can run up a score but it's almost game over now.

Gooch is running riot here. Getting too much space.

Kennelly on for Walsh.

This was not in the script!

Jesus - Dublin marking is non existent

Did we really have Kerry all but beaten in Tralee two weeks ago? Stunning.

Its a bank holiday massacare

The phrase "complete systems failure" springs to mind.

I seriously did not see this coming!!!! :o
Kerry look the business, I fancied Meath or Mayo to catch the Dub's in the Semi-finals but did not think Kerry had this up their sleeves.
I did not think Dublin would be caught cold 2 years in a row.

What odds a Cork v Kerry final now with the Kingdom once again putting one over on the Langers at the business end of the season.

whats the score now

Kerry toying with the dubs. Great display in fairness to them.

1-14 to 0-03 Halftime

Spillane just said it was orgasmic!  :D

Shows you how good Antrim were, they kept Kerry to 5 points  :o

Quote from: Owenmoresider on August 03, 2009, 02:49:26 PM
Did we really have Kerry all but beaten in Tralee two weeks ago? Stunning.

Cute hoors, eh. I could see it at the time in my minds eye, Jack O'Connor telling the Gooch and Tomas to go out and have a few scoops, we'll leak it out through Weeshie and ye'll be dropped. Everyone'll think we're finished

cute hoorism...

Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 03, 2009, 02:53:22 PM
Spillane just said it was orgasmic!  :D

He was right for once ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 03, 2009, 02:53:22 PM
Spillane just said it was orgasmic!  :D

probably his first such occurence for quite a number of years

Since when do london play in ble and sky blue? A leitrim junior b team would beat this dublin ''team''
This game reminds me of an u14 game a long time ago....2-43 to 0-4 i think....

Quote from: Doogie Browser on August 03, 2009, 02:53:52 PM
Shows you how good Antrim were, they kept Kerry to 5 points  :o

Can we play in Leinster??

Quote from: Owenmoresider on August 03, 2009, 02:49:26 PM
Did we really have Kerry all but beaten in Tralee two weeks ago? Stunning.

Yes you did! But you messed it up -this all Sligo's fault!!  :)

Damn you Sligo!

Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on August 03, 2009, 02:56:17 PM

Quote from: Doogie Browser on August 03, 2009, 02:53:52 PM
Shows you how good Antrim were, they kept Kerry to 5 points  :o

Can we play in Leinster??

Tried that already this year - didn't work too well!

Form is temporary............ Some performance by Kerry

Glad to c the Kerry team back the way they usually play, ;D
People said they were finished this year the same people said Tyrone were finished last year when they were beat by Down, Glad to see them being proved wrong you cannot determine what will happen in any Game

Praying my 50 euro on a 8+ point kerry win.....looks good so far!!

"Cute Hoorism" and "Orgasmic Football", two phrases I now plan to use in everyday life.

holy sh*tf*ck!
im not sayin thats the best ever half of football played in croker, but im strugglin to think of a better one;
colm orourkes just agreed with me there on the telly :)

in fairnes dublin were v unlucky with 2 excellent goal attempts; but sometimes you just have to sit back and admire them cute hoors from down the way

God, i'd say Meath/Mayo are really looking forward to reaching the AI semi.  ;D

Quote from: Doogie Browser on August 03, 2009, 02:57:03 PM

Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on August 03, 2009, 02:56:17 PM

Quote from: Doogie Browser on August 03, 2009, 02:53:52 PM
Shows you how good Antrim were, they kept Kerry to 5 points  :o

Can we play in Leinster??

Tried that already this year - didn't work too well!

I think our hurlers could make a good fist of the football championship!!

Quote from: tyssam5 on August 03, 2009, 02:56:49 PM

Quote from: Owenmoresider on August 03, 2009, 02:49:26 PM
Did we really have Kerry all but beaten in Tralee two weeks ago? Stunning.

Yes you did! But you messed it up -this all Sligo's fault!!  :)

Damn you Sligo!

In all fairness, if it wasn't for sligo we wouldve been robbed of a performance like this...Still think mayo'll beat them well in the semis

Raging I let my aul fella discourage me from taking the 11/8 on Kerry. Ah well. Not surprised that Kerry are leading but never expected it would look this easy. Dublin are absolutely clueless. Not sure I've ever seen 3 non-injury realted subs on a team before half time.

Quote from: Apple Crumble on August 03, 2009, 02:58:01 PM
Praying my 50 euro on a 8+ point kerry win.....looks good so far!!

Aye right! show us yer slip!

Joe and Pat had a mini falling out there. Joe was talking about Gooch, Pat butted in and Joe told him to wait his time but Pat kept mouthing on. Lester then let Joe speak but he threw a wee huff and Pat continued.  :D

Reminds me of the Meath semi performance when they hammered Kerry in the early 2000???....then Galway beat them in the final....Joyce got 10 points.

Poor old Dublin.............same girl, different car park!!

Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on August 03, 2009, 03:03:14 PM

Quote from: Doogie Browser on August 03, 2009, 02:57:03 PM

Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on August 03, 2009, 02:56:17 PM

Quote from: Doogie Browser on August 03, 2009, 02:53:52 PM
Shows you how good Antrim were, they kept Kerry to 5 points  :o

Can we play in Leinster??

Tried that already this year - didn't work too well!

I think our hurlers could make a good fist of the football championship!!

Very true, 5 in a row for the Dubs in Leinster and zero final appearances.  The weakest province?  :P

Star getting some treatment in front of the hill when doing his interview there for RTE. Classy crowd.

Pathetic from the "Hill". Booing their own team, then a TV interview.

Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 03, 2009, 03:04:25 PM
Joe and Pat had a mini falling out there. Joe was talking about Gooch, Pat butted in and Joe told him to wait his time but Pat kept mouthing on. Lester then let Joe speak but he threw a wee huff and Pat continued.  :D

That was funny. Pat is so excited, think he might have to 'relieve himself' at the next break. Too much orgasmic football for him!

Mayo in the semi, Cork in the final, another handy one for Kerry!  :D

I feel for the Dubs really, Donegal will be liking this, their slagging will only last one day now and not be mentioned again!

Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 03, 2009, 03:06:41 PM
Star getting some treatment in front of the hill when doing his interview there for RTE. Classy crowd.

Must be the only noise from the hill all day though!  There was more atmosphere on the hill yesterday.

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 03, 2009, 03:01:09 PM
God, i'd say Meath/Mayo are really looking forward to reaching the AI semi.  ;D

Hope it's us.
I'd hate to see what Kerry would do to Mayo. :P

I know your pain (to all Dubs), but at least it takes the heat off us atm.

Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 03, 2009, 03:04:25 PM
Joe and Pat had a mini falling out there. Joe was talking about Gooch, Pat butted in and Joe told him to wait his time but Pat kept mouthing on. Lester then let Joe speak but he threw a wee huff and Pat continued.  :D

THat was sooo funny nearly fell off my chair , another missed goal chance for Dub

Terrible effort from Brogan, shit his pants completely

Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 03, 2009, 03:07:24 PM
Pathetic from the "Hill". Booing their own team, then a TV interview.

I'm surprised they're still there.

That was shocking from Brogan, what the f**k was he at!

Kerry would want to watch the piss-taking. Dec O'Sull got a smack there and kind of deserved it a wee bit.

Cluxton - what were you thinking

Did the Kerry defender use his head during his solo?  :-[

Anybody else think the Dubs in general don't seem to be able to tackle? They're lunging in, tackling high, tackling with closed fists, and worse.

Some basic coaching required?

Quote from: Jinxy on August 03, 2009, 03:09:21 PM

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 03, 2009, 03:01:09 PM
God, i'd say Meath/Mayo are really looking forward to reaching the AI semi.  ;D

Hope it's us.
I'd hate to see what Kerry would do to Mayo. :P

Part of me hopes it would be Meath as well, but i'd say Mayo would gladly take a hiding from Kerry to see Meath outta the championship!

Wats up with the wide kerry

That's twice Keaney has picked it up off the ground ::)

Quote from: mc_grens on August 03, 2009, 03:14:43 PM
Anybody else think the Dubs in general don't seem to be able to tackle? They're lunging in, tackling high, tackling with closed fists, and worse.

Some basic coaching required?

They can tackle fine.
They're just completely shell-shocked.

Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on August 03, 2009, 03:17:58 PM
That's twice Keaney has picked it up off the ground ::)

Aye obvious, Pat not picking up a few throws from Kerry though. A few borderline passes in the course of the game.

Bastick should be off there.

Bastick lucky to stay on the pitch there. Took Gooch out of it after he fisted the ball over the bar. Should have been a 2nd yellow card for him.

Dublin are sh*te!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  This is soooooooooooo funny;)

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 03, 2009, 03:24:43 PM
Bastick should be off there.

He probably should but would like to have seen Cooper getting up, he only got a shove in the back. No need to try to get a man off when it's a walk-over.

You can definitely see a Dub gettin the line here at some stage. Lot of late hits and the like starting to go in.

B. Brogan has hardly touched it today.  How over rated is he??

Goal for the Dubs, Keaney scored

wat a goal is there another one n

Quote from: tyssam5 on August 03, 2009, 03:26:24 PM

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 03, 2009, 03:24:43 PM
Bastick should be off there.

He probably should but would like to have seen Cooper getting up, he only got a shove in the back. No need to try to get a man off when it's a walk-over.

Some might say there is no need to Try to get a man sent off at all- no matter if it's a walk over or not!

Quote from: tyssam5 on August 03, 2009, 03:26:24 PM

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 03, 2009, 03:24:43 PM
Bastick should be off there.

He probably should but would like to have seen Cooper getting up, he only got a shove in the back. No need to try to get a man off when it's a walk-over.

ach he got it at full speed and when he wasnt expecting it and was still getting treatment as the play went on, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.  

I dont know why Keaney is shaking his fist at the hill  :D

Quote from: Gaaman on August 03, 2009, 03:28:34 PM
B. Brogan has hardly touched it today.  How over rated is he??

Quote from: Gaaman on August 03, 2009, 03:25:52 PM
Dublin are sh*te!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  This is soooooooooooo funny;)

You are a bollocks

Quote from: mc_grens on August 03, 2009, 03:30:26 PM

Quote from: tyssam5 on August 03, 2009, 03:26:24 PM

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 03, 2009, 03:24:43 PM
Bastick should be off there.

He probably should but would like to have seen Cooper getting up, he only got a shove in the back. No need to try to get a man off when it's a walk-over.

Some might say there is no need to Try to get a man sent off at all- no matter if it's a walk over or not!

That's true but mostly unrealistic.

Pressure is on Kerry now, only ten mins to equal Cork's 1-27 tally. Anything else could be seen as a failure!

Bit late to be bringing on SHane Ryan now ::)

Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 03, 2009, 03:30:53 PM

Quote from: tyssam5 on August 03, 2009, 03:26:24 PM

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 03, 2009, 03:24:43 PM
Bastick should be off there.

He probably should but would like to have seen Cooper getting up, he only got a shove in the back. No need to try to get a man off when it's a walk-over.

ach he got it at full speed and when he wasnt expecting it and was still getting treatment as the play went on, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.  

I dont know why Keaney is shaking his fist at the hill  :D

I would give him benefit of doubt too, but for the ref catching him having a lie down in the first half with the same in mind.

Dirty elbow from Whelan there, Red Card offence.

whelan shows his true colours ::)

Well it wouldnt be a game without whelan hitting someone with an elbow  ::)

Are Kerry copying the Tyrone game plan?

Limping through the qualifiers, just doing enough to get by and then ambushing the Dub's in the quarter-final knowing the whole Country is cheering them on?

Whelan gets away with it yet again. Disgraceful.

Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 03, 2009, 03:36:47 PM
Well it wouldnt be a game without whelan hitting someone with an elbow  ::)

but i thought that would only happen in ulster

tut tut tut dirty  >:(

Textbook Whelan - if this is his last game football will be better off without him.

whealen is a disgrace, no need for that

Good way for Whelan to bow out.

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Quote from: LeoMc on August 03, 2009, 03:36:55 PM
Are Kerry copying the Tyrone game plan?

Limping through the qualifiers, just doing enough to get by and then ambushing the Dub's in the quarter-final knowing the whole Country is cheering them on?

Well JOC has been know to copy our tactics before but I don't think so. They were trying their best to get a rest for while there and ended up in the 1/4s and thought feck it only 6 weeks now might as well give it a go.

12 from 13 semi's? - can't argue with that!

Whelan is a fuckin sc**bag... Game will be better without him. tr**p!

Whelan is a p***k, Dublin football is a mess.  Two years in a row they have been embarrassed on the big stage.

Bastick isn't too far behind Whelan

Pat McEneany showing admirable common sense not giving Bastick the line in the last minute.

What an anti-climax..

Full-Time 1-24 to 1-07

Kerry surely favourites for All-Ireland now.

Whelan is such a dirtbag, no need for the likes of that and he's done it for years. Bastick also lucky he stayed on for continuous fouling, but mostly harmless.

I know they're getting trashed but seriously how are the Dub's gettin away with being so dirty ?

Can anyone post the scorers?

great display by kerry,same old dublin meet a big team and they collapse!theres no all ireland in that dublin team.

Quote from: mc_grens on August 03, 2009, 03:43:05 PM
Pat McEneany showing admirable common sense not giving Bastick the line in the last minute.

Common sense or not, Bastick commited 2 fouls which were worthy of yellow cards after he was booked. Should have walked no matter what the score was or if it was near the end of the game.

Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic... Brilliant Pat!

Stuck a tenner on Kerry about 2.00pm today, just could not believe they were 6/4!  Raging it was only a tenner, but will take what I can get.

Brolly: "Dublin are becoming a confidence building exercise for the big teams"  :D

Quote from: Doogie Browser on August 03, 2009, 03:47:06 PM
Stuck a tenner on Kerry about 2.00pm today, just could not believe they were 6/4!  Raging it was only a tenner, but will take what I can get.

Whack the winnings on Cork at 7-4.

Quote from: tyronegirl on August 03, 2009, 03:43:57 PM
I know they're getting trashed but seriously how are the Dub's gettin away with being so dirty ?

Don't know

And if Cooper had been badly injured at the end O'Connor wouldn't have been too happy

Quote from: mc_grens on August 03, 2009, 03:43:05 PM
Pat McEneany showing admirable common sense not giving Bastick the line in the last minute.

what a load of dung! He should have walked, even earlier. No matter what McEneneany does he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Whelan should have walked also, again let him off. HE SHOULD DO HIS JOB

Wonderful display by Kerry. I dont think they will walk to an AI now though. Mayo could give them a good game if they win next week. And Cork will be very hard beat. A lot still to do for Kerry.

Bringing back Mike McCarthy has been a great call. 2 great games. His experience has been key. Shows you a few years out of the game can benefit you as there is no substitute for class and experience.

Quote from: Joxer on August 03, 2009, 03:40:28 PM
Whelan is a fuckin sc**bag... Game will be better without him. tr**p!

I'm wondering why you blanked out sc**bag and tr**p, but still typed fuckin lol??!!

Think it auto blanks it out unless im wrong and with the fuckin it doesnt as it aint recognised as the word without the g on the end, could be wrong tho

Quote from: tyrone girl on August 03, 2009, 04:03:58 PM
Think it auto blanks it out unless im wrong and with the fuckin it doesnt as it aint recognised as the word without the g on the end, could be wrong tho

f**king

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Quote from: mc_grens on August 03, 2009, 03:43:05 PM
Pat McEneany showing admirable common sense not giving Bastick the line in the last minute.

what a load of dung! He should have walked, even earlier. No matter what McEneneany does he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Whelan should have walked also, again let him off. HE SHOULD DO HIS JOB

I agree

Quote from: Schkite on August 03, 2009, 03:47:41 PM
Brolly: "Dublin are becoming a confidence building exercise for the big teams"  :D

Thought that was funny :D :D

Yes but in his post fuckin didnt cos it wasnt the full version of the word

Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 03, 2009, 03:55:13 PM
Bringing back Mike McCarthy has been a great call. 2 great games. His experience has been key. Shows you a few years out of the game can benefit you as there is no substitute for class and experience.

I still think he is there for the taking.

So lads and mucksavii ladettes, are Kerry finally going to get one over on Tyrone?

What a showdown it would be. Tyrone for back to backs, Kerry wanting to get rid of that bad red hand omen, playing for team of the decade!  What a great way to finish the decade that would be.

Two very tough semi finals coming up though so there'll be no chicken counting just yet!

Footballers against runners.

Quote from: SidelineKick on August 03, 2009, 04:13:36 PM
So lads and mucksavii ladettes, are Kerry finally going to get one over on Tyrone?

What a showdown it would be. Tyrone for back to backs, Kerry wanting to get rid of that bad red hand omen, playing for team of the decade!  What a great way to finish the decade that would be.

Two very tough semi finals coming up though so there'll be no chicken counting just yet!

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Dubs have issues.

That puke McStay...did you hear him before the game......the Dubs full forward line were the best in the game......a complete TOOL!! :D

Well played Kerry proved a lot of people wrong...including myself.

Quote from: rrhf on August 03, 2009, 04:21:00 PM
Dubs have issues.

BIG ISSUES  :D

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Quote from: rrhf on August 03, 2009, 04:21:00 PM
Dubs have issues.

BIG ISSUES  :D

Bless you.

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Quote from: rrhf on August 03, 2009, 04:21:00 PM
Dubs have issues.

BIG ISSUES  :D

and can be found sitting outside copper face jacks with a basket in there hand selling copies for half price

Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 21, 2009, 07:43:10 PM
Jaysus once Jack calls the lads in from their winter break for the first of the summer training camps in a few weeks time those odds will be falling down like a t**ker's knickers.

Cute hoors  :D

Did a few random bets on the game, one of which was Declan O'Sullivan to be MOTM at 12/1  :D

Only had a couple of £ on it though. Still, better than a poke in the eye.

Could that match have gone any worse?!

that was atrocious!  :(

Quote from: Joxer on August 03, 2009, 03:40:28 PM
Whelan is a fuckin sc**bag... Game will be better without him. tr**p!

Terrible comments.

Quote from: Diet Coke on August 03, 2009, 04:22:27 PM
That puke McStay...did you hear him before the game......the Dubs full forward line were the best in the game......a complete TOOL!! :D

Well played Kerry proved a lot of people wrong...including myself.

McStay hasn't a notion ... wait till ye hear lyons on about his arse boxing
How will he fit that into the commentary?

Darran O'Sullivan was excellent there. I think JOC has bought into needing big players too much.

He waited far too long to get him in last Sept, ask any Tyrone defender if they'd rather be marking Eoin Brosnan or Darran O'Sullivan. Kerry should stick to the like of him playing and not feel they need to bring the 'bruisers' back in.

As Pat S pointed out today they are individually without any doubt better players than Tyrone, no doubt about it, beating Dublin proves it! They just need to have confidence and play their own game and not buy into these Northern tactics!

Ah well there's England out of the world cup for another...... oh wait, I meant to say ah well there's Dublin out of the championship for another year.

Quote from: SidelineKick on August 03, 2009, 04:26:58 PM
Did a few random bets on the game, one of which was Declan O'Sullivan to be MOTM at 12/1  :D

Only had a couple of £ on it though. Still, better than a poke in the eye.

or a slap in the teeth with a wet haddock ;D

kerry just work so well together! and colm cooper was just everywhere! outstanding comeback for them!

As Marshall Mathers points out in his post match review in the Detroit Examiner:

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Wooo!

Ooooohhhhh!


Guess who's back, back again
Kerry's back, tell a friend
Guess who's back, guess who's back,
guess who's back, guess who's back,
guess who's back, guess who's back,
guess who's back...


I've created a monsta!

I thought the Gooch was MOTM...Dec O'Sullivan was also class, and is probably the best number 11 in the game, but I just thought Cooper was way more involved..

That dreadful thought of another Tyrone v Kerry final is creeping in again now. Kerry going for 6 finals in a row look to be a shoe in to make the final on that display. I really am sick of them at ths stage but their class told today up front where their passing and movement was top notch. I still think they are weak up the middle of the defence against a team running at pace. McCarthy done well today even though he was put under no real pressure.

Come on Cork, please save this championship from another Tyrone Kerry final fest.
 

Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2009, 05:08:40 PM
That dreadful thought of another Tyrone v Kerry final is creeping in again now. Kerry going for 6 finals in a row look to be a shoe in to make the final on that display. I really am sick of them at ths stage but their class told today up front where their passing and movement was top notch. I still think they are weak up the middle of the defence against a team running at pace. McCarthy done well today even though he was put under no real pressure.

Come on Cork, please save this championship from another Tyrone Kerry final fest.
 

Aye cos the last Kerry v. Cork final was such a classic and all!

Is nobody going to state that "Kerry will have learnt nothing" after such an easy win as they did with Cork yesterday ?

Quote from: Minder on August 03, 2009, 05:13:16 PM
Is nobody going to state that "Kerry will have learnt nothing" after such an easy win as they did with Cork yesterday ?

i think they will have learnt alot,it proves they still have it when it comes to the big stage and can only give them confidence for the semi and most probable the final

Quote from: Minder on August 03, 2009, 05:13:16 PM
Is nobody going to state that "Kerry will have learnt nothing" after such an easy win as they did with Cork yesterday ?

actually i was going to say that and its a good point but now that you have i'll go with......
'we havent gone away you know' ;)

Quote from: tyssam5 on August 03, 2009, 05:11:13 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2009, 05:08:40 PM
That dreadful thought of another Tyrone v Kerry final is creeping in again now. Kerry going for 6 finals in a row look to be a shoe in to make the final on that display. I really am sick of them at ths stage but their class told today up front where their passing and movement was top notch. I still think they are weak up the middle of the defence against a team running at pace. McCarthy done well today even though he was put under no real pressure.

Come on Cork, please save this championship from another Tyrone Kerry final fest.
 

Aye cos the last Kerry v. Cork final was such a classic and all!

Never mentioned it being a classic, just fed up of the same 2 teams contesting the final. No doubt Kerry would probably do the usual crumbling when confronted with Tyrones in your face tactics. The rebels are the only chance of breaking this monopoly so I'm willing them on from here on in.

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Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2009, 05:08:40 PM
That dreadful thought of another Tyrone v Kerry final is creeping in again now. Kerry going for 6 finals in a row look to be a shoe in to make the final on that display. I really am sick of them at ths stage but their class told today up front where their passing and movement was top notch. I still think they are weak up the middle of the defence against a team running at pace. McCarthy done well today even though he was put under no real pressure.

Come on Cork, please save this championship from another Tyrone Kerry final fest.
 

Aye cos the last Kerry v. Cork final was such a classic and all!

Meath-Cork wasn't any better, though Cork-Mayo wasn't bad. The start of their misery. It'll be Tyrone-Kerry again for me, anyone but Cork (even that lot to our west) as far as my desired winner goes though.

Superb stuff from Kerry today, tbh I had expected them to win, but in a close contest. Never could have imagined they would do a number on the Dubs like that. The proven team still keen to prove themselves even more, and the options on the bench are plentiful, just what JOC wanted. Jesus David, why didn't you stick that penalty away in Tralee and spare the poor Jackeens such a beating?

15 lads who had never kicked a football in their life would of done better .



Beyond pathetic. The DCB need to answer some serious questions here  

Where does that leave Kildare?

Quote from: mckieran on August 03, 2009, 03:53:28 PM
Wonderful display by Kerry. I dont think they will walk to an AI now though. Mayo could give them a good game if they win next week. And Cork will be very hard beat. A lot still to do for Kerry.

Really at time I thought it was quite mediocre. I mean there was some amount of wides and alot of running into blind alleys. Kerry have toppled the house of cards nothing more.  

If Dublin were Mayo you'd all be laughing at us wouldn't you.

Quote from: Gnevin on August 03, 2009, 05:27:34 PM

Quote from: mckieran on August 03, 2009, 03:53:28 PM
Wonderful display by Kerry. I dont think they will walk to an AI now though. Mayo could give them a good game if they win next week. And Cork will be very hard beat. A lot still to do for Kerry.

Really at time I thought it was quick mediocre. I mean there was some amount of wides and alot of running into blind alleys. Kerry have toppled the house of cards nothing more.  

thats nice of you gnevin, you can only trash whats put in front of you

Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 03, 2009, 05:30:55 PM
If Dublin were Mayo you'd all be laughing at us wouldn't you.

Who isn't laughing at Dublin?

Quote from: Gnevin on August 03, 2009, 05:24:15 PM
15 lads who had never kicked a football in their life would of done better .



Beyond pathetic. The DCB need to answer some serious questions here  

:D :D :D :D The Dubs get their hopes up every year and then boom, smashed to pieces, brilliant, I love this kind of stuff. At least the premier league is starting again soon though.

Quote from: Gnevin on August 03, 2009, 05:31:49 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 03, 2009, 05:30:55 PM
If Dublin were Mayo you'd all be laughing at us wouldn't you.

Who isn't laughing at Dublin?

Most people. I mean the media usually can't keep a straight face when Mayo lose by a big margin.

Quote from: JMohan on August 03, 2009, 05:26:31 PM
Where does that leave Kildare?

They're still out.

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Quote from: Gnevin on August 03, 2009, 05:27:34 PM

Quote from: mckieran on August 03, 2009, 03:53:28 PM
Wonderful display by Kerry. I dont think they will walk to an AI now though. Mayo could give them a good game if they win next week. And Cork will be very hard beat. A lot still to do for Kerry.

Really at time I thought it was quite mediocre. I mean there was some amount of wides and alot of running into blind alleys. Kerry have toppled the house of cards nothing more.  

thats nice of you gnevin, you can only trash whats put in front of you

True enough.  However would you not agree that at time Kerry looked lost against what was a non existent Dublin? Wides, Passing and Shape?

I'm just saying it's hard to read into Kerry's form after Dublin decided not to turn up

Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 03, 2009, 05:30:55 PM
If Dublin were Mayo you'd all be laughing at us wouldn't you.

No, we'd be feeling sorry for yous, we're all laughing at Dublin.   :P

Gnevin, what have the DCB got to do with it?  What do you think the problem is?

Quote from: Gnevin on August 03, 2009, 05:31:49 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 03, 2009, 05:30:55 PM
If Dublin were Mayo you'd all be laughing at us wouldn't you.

Who isn't laughing at Dublin?

Gnevin, coming from a county that has had a few hammerings over the years I share your pain.  Brilliant from Kerry, worse than woeful from the Dubs.  The worst aspect was that the Dublin players for the most part never got near enough to the Kerry men to lay a hand on them never mind tackle.  Some bad decision making too, A Brogan going for goal that early when a simple tap over the bar would have stopped the rot somewhat..B Brogan at start of the second half too...HotShot Hamish wouldn't have scored from there.  The Dubs looked sluggish and off the pace...is there enough genuine speed in that panel??

Anyway mate, the sun will rise tomorrow...don't bate the wife or the Jameson's too hard.

Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 03, 2009, 02:53:22 PM
Spillane just said it was orgasmic!  :D

course the trick is not to peak to early  ;)

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Quote from: magickingdom on August 03, 2009, 05:31:18 PM

Quote from: Gnevin on August 03, 2009, 05:27:34 PM

Quote from: mckieran on August 03, 2009, 03:53:28 PM
Wonderful display by Kerry. I dont think they will walk to an AI now though. Mayo could give them a good game if they win next week. And Cork will be very hard beat. A lot still to do for Kerry.

Really at time I thought it was quite mediocre. I mean there was some amount of wides and alot of running into blind alleys. Kerry have toppled the house of cards nothing more.  

thats nice of you gnevin, you can only trash whats put in front of you

True enough.  However would you not agree that at time Kerry looked lost against what was a non existent Dublin? Wides, Passing and Shape?

I'm just saying it's hard to read into Kerry's form after Dublin decided not to turn up

i think kerry had 11 wides which is bad enough but overall they were super

Quote from: magickingdom on August 03, 2009, 05:45:39 PM

Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 03, 2009, 02:53:22 PM
Spillane just said it was orgasmic!  :D

course the trick is not to peak to early  ;)

Will Kerry come second again?  ;)

I'll get my coat

Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2009, 05:23:19 PM

Quote from: tyssam5 on August 03, 2009, 05:11:13 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2009, 05:08:40 PM
That dreadful thought of another Tyrone v Kerry final is creeping in again now. Kerry going for 6 finals in a row look to be a shoe in to make the final on that display. I really am sick of them at ths stage but their class told today up front where their passing and movement was top notch. I still think they are weak up the middle of the defence against a team running at pace. McCarthy done well today even though he was put under no real pressure.

Come on Cork, please save this championship from another Tyrone Kerry final fest.
 

Aye cos the last Kerry v. Cork final was such a classic and all!

Never mentioned it being a classic, just fed up of the same 2 teams contesting the final. No doubt Kerry would probably do the usual crumbling when confronted with Tyrones in your face tactics. The rebels are the only chance of breaking this monopoly so I'm willing them on from here on in.

Tis a duoploy lad. Well were Cork to beat Tyrone and then Kerry in the final, it would probably finish both teams and set them up for a period of domination. Big enough old task though.

Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2009, 05:23:19 PM

Quote from: tyssam5 on August 03, 2009, 05:11:13 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2009, 05:08:40 PM
That dreadful thought of another Tyrone v Kerry final is creeping in again now. Kerry going for 6 finals in a row look to be a shoe in to make the final on that display. I really am sick of them at ths stage but their class told today up front where their passing and movement was top notch. I still think they are weak up the middle of the defence against a team running at pace. McCarthy done well today even though he was put under no real pressure.

Come on Cork, please save this championship from another Tyrone Kerry final fest.
 

Aye cos the last Kerry v. Cork final was such a classic and all!

Never mentioned it being a classic, just fed up of the same 2 teams contesting the final. No doubt Kerry would probably do the usual crumbling when confronted with Tyrones in your face tactics. The rebels are the only chance of breaking this monopoly so I'm willing them on from here on in.

And your not fed up of Kerry being in the final year after year? They have been in the final 7 years out of last 9 and look like making in 8 out of 10.

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Quote from: tyssam5 on August 03, 2009, 05:11:13 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2009, 05:08:40 PM
That dreadful thought of another Tyrone v Kerry final is creeping in again now. Kerry going for 6 finals in a row look to be a shoe in to make the final on that display. I really am sick of them at ths stage but their class told today up front where their passing and movement was top notch. I still think they are weak up the middle of the defence against a team running at pace. McCarthy done well today even though he was put under no real pressure.

Come on Cork, please save this championship from another Tyrone Kerry final fest.
 

Aye cos the last Kerry v. Cork final was such a classic and all!

Never mentioned it being a classic, just fed up of the same 2 teams contesting the final. No doubt Kerry would probably do the usual crumbling when confronted with Tyrones in your face tactics. The rebels are the only chance of breaking this monopoly so I'm willing them on from here on in.

Tis a duoploy lad. Well were Cork to beat Tyrone and then Kerry in the final, it would probably finish both teams and set them up for a period of domination. Big enough old task though.

if cork beat tyrone (and everyone should have a small bet on them at 7/4 (nuts)) they will hate the thought of meeting kerry again

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Quote from: tyssam5 on August 03, 2009, 05:11:13 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2009, 05:08:40 PM
That dreadful thought of another Tyrone v Kerry final is creeping in again now. Kerry going for 6 finals in a row look to be a shoe in to make the final on that display. I really am sick of them at ths stage but their class told today up front where their passing and movement was top notch. I still think they are weak up the middle of the defence against a team running at pace. McCarthy done well today even though he was put under no real pressure.

Come on Cork, please save this championship from another Tyrone Kerry final fest.
 

Aye cos the last Kerry v. Cork final was such a classic and all!

Never mentioned it being a classic, just fed up of the same 2 teams contesting the final. No doubt Kerry would probably do the usual crumbling when confronted with Tyrones in your face tactics. The rebels are the only chance of breaking this monopoly so I'm willing them on from here on in.

And your not fed up of Kerry being in the final year after year? They have been in the final 7 years out of last 9 and look like making in 8 out of 10.

archie, whose fault is that? i get sick of the sight of killkenny in the hurling but their brilliant at the end of the day and i dispare at times of anyone beating them because of the skill levels involved. not so much in football where the skill levels are not so different and its a huge tribute to the kerry players that they put in so much time and effort. the most important ingredient in kerry football is hunger and others counties can quickly match kerry if they match their hunger

Great display from Kerry.
The movement of their forward line is something that has been missing since they went down the road of lumping everything at the big target man.
The injury to Donaghy has forced them to re-learn how to show for the ball, drag the opposition defenders out of position and use possession intelligently.

Last year they were caught out in the AI final by having no Plan B when Tyrone locked down the 'twin towers'.
This year, the could well put themselves back on top by going back to a more intelligent style of football.

I had thought Dublin would win beforehand, but everything was perfectly set up for a Kerry ambush.
Another triumph for 'cute hoorism' and rogues who say 'yerra'.

Fantastic display today by our boys. Goes to show that Croker is the best place for the Kerry team to play their best football. Declan, Darren, Gooch and Tom O Sullivan were immense today. Jack made the right calls all day. Good decision to take Dara off as he was a spent force at that stage of the game. Seamus Scanlon was superb also - never quit running all day. The Kerry players today upped their work rate for each other 100% today. Well done to all but we must now focus on the next game.
Sitting in the Cusack stand today I notice the Hill go very quiet after the Gooches goal. They never really found their voice after that. I guess they sensed that this game was going to have an inevitable result.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 03, 2009, 05:30:55 PM
If Dublin were Mayo you'd all be laughing at us wouldn't you.

Give it a couple of weeks yet lad. Kerry are only warming up!

Jeez, did I get that wrong!

But then, I didn't expect statues to turn up for the Dublin Team? What the feck! Does Paddy Power have that much subliminal control over Dublin that once he declares them favourites in an Inter-Provincial they turn to mush?

Kerry very impressive, and fair play to them, they've risen to the necessary levels. But they've done that before, and look where that ended up  ;)

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Quote from: tyssam5 on August 03, 2009, 05:11:13 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2009, 05:08:40 PM
That dreadful thought of another Tyrone v Kerry final is creeping in again now. Kerry going for 6 finals in a row look to be a shoe in to make the final on that display. I really am sick of them at ths stage but their class told today up front where their passing and movement was top notch. I still think they are weak up the middle of the defence against a team running at pace. McCarthy done well today even though he was put under no real pressure.

Come on Cork, please save this championship from another Tyrone Kerry final fest.
 

Aye cos the last Kerry v. Cork final was such a classic and all!

Never mentioned it being a classic, just fed up of the same 2 teams contesting the final. No doubt Kerry would probably do the usual crumbling when confronted with Tyrones in your face tactics. The rebels are the only chance of breaking this monopoly so I'm willing them on from here on in.

Tis a duoploy lad. Well were Cork to beat Tyrone and then Kerry in the final, it would probably finish both teams and set them up for a period of domination. Big enough old task though.

if cork beat tyrone (and everyone should have a small bet on them at 7/4 (nuts)) they will hate the thought of meeting kerry again

That's why I wish we had the 2nd semi!

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 03, 2009, 06:13:18 PM
Jeez, did I get that wrong!

But then, I didn't expect statues to turn up for the Dublin Team? What the feck! Does Paddy Power have that much subliminal control over Dublin that once he declares them favourites in an Inter-Provincial they turn to mush?

Kerry very impressive, and fair play to them, they've risen to the necessary levels. But they've done that before, and look where that ended up  ;)

Champions 4 times this decade!!

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That dreadful thought of another Tyrone v Kerry final is creeping in again now. Kerry going for 6 finals in a row look to be a shoe in to make the final on that display. I really am sick of them at ths stage but their class told today up front where their passing and movement was top notch. I still think they are weak up the middle of the defence against a team running at pace. McCarthy done well today even though he was put under no real pressure.

Come on Cork, please save this championship from another Tyrone Kerry final fest.
 

Aye cos the last Kerry v. Cork final was such a classic and all!

Never mentioned it being a classic, just fed up of the same 2 teams contesting the final. No doubt Kerry would probably do the usual crumbling when confronted with Tyrones in your face tactics. The rebels are the only chance of breaking this monopoly so I'm willing them on from here on in.

And your not fed up of Kerry being in the final year after year? They have been in the final 7 years out of last 9 and look like making in 8 out of 10.

archie, whose fault is that? i get sick of the sight of killkenny in the hurling but their brilliant at the end of the day and i dispare at times of anyone beating them because of the skill levels involved. not so much in football where the skill levels are not so different and its a huge tribute to the kerry players that they put in so much time and effort. the most important ingredient in kerry football is hunger and others counties can quickly match kerry if they match their hunger

Im not saying it Kerry's fault, they were good value for getting to all them finals and fair play to them. He quoted that he was fed up seeing Tyrone and Kerry in the final all the time, but they have only played in the final twice this decade and Tyrone have only appeared in one other final compared to Kerry's 7 finals this decade, so I cant see why he is fed up seeing Tyrone and Kerry in the final when Kerry have been there more times.

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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 03, 2009, 06:13:18 PM
Jeez, did I get that wrong!

But then, I didn't expect statues to turn up for the Dublin Team? What the feck! Does Paddy Power have that much subliminal control over Dublin that once he declares them favourites in an Inter-Provincial they turn to mush?

Kerry very impressive, and fair play to them, they've risen to the necessary levels. But they've done that before, and look where that ended up  ;)

Champions 4 times this decade!!

Well, they are team of the decade after all.

What an amazing display by Kerry today.

Dublin were simply blown out of the water by a very hungry Kerry team. Dublin just didn't know what hit them.


Kerry were up for the game big time.

Sad to see Dublin go down without a fight and sad to see Ciaran Whelan revert to type by swinging an elbow and connecting with Aidan O'Mahony - what does Pat do ? He books O'Mahony.


But the biggest disappointment has to go to Denis Bastick who committed a shameful act when he shoved the Gooch into the advertising hoardings. But he surpassed himself whenever Ciaran Donaghy who was the Kerry maor usice for the day, was stood on by Bastick, knowing that he had a fractured bone in his foot. Bastick is far too good a footballer to get invlolved in this sort of crap. A low blow by Bastick who should have seen red earlier.

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Where does that leave Kildare?

They're still out.

Smart ass

Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 03, 2009, 05:39:25 PM
Gnevin, what have the DCB got to do with it?  What do you think the problem is?

There has to be something structurally work in the county. We can't even find a dedicated out and full back for f**k sake . Do you not think their is something structurally wrong when a county the size of Dubln hasn't been to a AI final in at least 15 years.  

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Quote from: mckieran on August 03, 2009, 03:53:28 PM
Wonderful display by Kerry. I dont think they will walk to an AI now though. Mayo could give them a good game if they win next week. And Cork will be very hard beat. A lot still to do for Kerry.

Really at time I thought it was quite mediocre. I mean there was some amount of wides and alot of running into blind alleys. Kerry have toppled the house of cards nothing more.  

thats nice of you gnevin, you can only trash whats put in front of you

True enough.  However would you not agree that at time Kerry looked lost against what was a non existent Dublin? Wides, Passing and Shape?

I'm just saying it's hard to read into Kerry's form after Dublin decided not to turn up

i think kerry had 11 wides which is bad enough but overall they were super

Really only 11? I though it was alot more. when they went 1-4 up their was a 5/6 minute patch where every ball they kicked went wide. Maybe I'm wrong .

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But the biggest disappointment has to go to Denis Bastick who committed a shameful act when he shoved the Gooch into the advertising hoardings. But he surpassed himself whenever Ciaran Donaghy who was the Kerry maor usice for the day, was stood on by Bastick, knowing that he had a fractured bone in his foot. Bastick is far too good a footballer to get invlolved in this sort of crap. A low blow by Bastick who should have seen red earlier.
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I disagree wholeheartedly

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But the biggest disappointment has to go to Denis Bastick who committed a shameful act when he shoved the Gooch into the advertising hoardings. But he surpassed himself whenever Ciaran Donaghy who was the Kerry maor usice for the day, was stood on by Bastick, knowing that he had a fractured bone in his foot. Bastick is far too good a footballer to get invlolved in this sort of crap. A low blow by Bastick who should have seen red earlier.

I disagree wholeheartedly
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Trying to be kind to him.

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But the biggest disappointment has to go to Denis Bastick who committed a shameful act when he shoved the Gooch into the advertising hoardings. But he surpassed himself whenever Ciaran Donaghy who was the Kerry maor usice for the day, was stood on by Bastick, knowing that he had a fractured bone in his foot. Bastick is far too good a footballer to get invlolved in this sort of crap. A low blow by Bastick who should have seen red earlier.

I disagree wholeheartedly
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Beat me to it. Dublin have never had a decent full back since Paddy Christie retired.

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That dreadful thought of another Tyrone v Kerry final is creeping in again now. Kerry going for 6 finals in a row look to be a shoe in to make the final on that display. I really am sick of them at ths stage but their class told today up front where their passing and movement was top notch. I still think they are weak up the middle of the defence against a team running at pace. McCarthy done well today even though he was put under no real pressure.

Come on Cork, please save this championship from another Tyrone Kerry final fest.
 

Aye cos the last Kerry v. Cork final was such a classic and all!

Never mentioned it being a classic, just fed up of the same 2 teams contesting the final. No doubt Kerry would probably do the usual crumbling when confronted with Tyrones in your face tactics. The rebels are the only chance of breaking this monopoly so I'm willing them on from here on in.

And your not fed up of Kerry being in the final year after year? They have been in the final 7 years out of last 9 and look like making in 8 out of 10.

archie, whose fault is that? i get sick of the sight of killkenny in the hurling but their brilliant at the end of the day and i dispare at times of anyone beating them because of the skill levels involved. not so much in football where the skill levels are not so different and its a huge tribute to the kerry players that they put in so much time and effort. the most important ingredient in kerry football is hunger and others counties can quickly match kerry if they match their hunger

Im not saying it Kerry's fault, they were good value for getting to all them finals and fair play to them. He quoted that he was fed up seeing Tyrone and Kerry in the final all the time, but they have only played in the final twice this decade and Tyrone have only appeared in one other final compared to Kerry's 7 finals this decade, so I cant see why he is fed up seeing Tyrone and Kerry in the final when Kerry have been there more times.

True I know they only played twice in finals but they have shared the last 6 All Irelands and I really hope we see a new face lifting Sam in September. Nothing wrong with that. Cork are best equipped to do this and the likes of Canty, Lynch, Murphy et al deserve an All Ireland.

Terrible terrible display by Dublin.

They stank the joint worse than last year.

How did it go so wrong agin the worst Kerry side in living memory?

I have no problem with a Kerry/Tyrone final again, the last 2 were great games but I believe that Cork will give Tyrone problems the next day.
Kerry will be hard to stop now the only problem might be letting themsleves get caught by Mayo or Meath in the semi final they seem to playing poorly against teams that just dont catch their interest, Dublin today were a team that peaked Kerry's interest as will Tyrone or Cork in the final.

I'd say Cork will do Kerry a favour by beating Tyrone and then lose the final

Quote from: Diet Coke on August 03, 2009, 04:22:27 PM
That puke McStay...did you hear him before the game......the Dubs full forward line were the best in the game......a complete TOOL!! :D

Well played Kerry proved a lot of people wrong...including myself.

I nearly choked when i heard that one myself. Kevin, Kevin, Kevin!

That football was a joy to watch. A lot of people never learn, when it comes to writing off teams like Kerry. Too many brilliant footballers in their set up to be ever written off.  They just seem to lift themselves when they get to Croke Park. No team needs to be playing brilliant all year to go the whole way.  

Dublin have taken a lot of bad beatings over the years - there's a soft underbelly there to put it mildly.

Bad result for the GAA financially.

The Dubs bring alot of money to the table. I can't c too many supporting them next year and paying good money to watch moving statues as another poster called them.

In fact, I think alot of young fellahs in the capital will continue to drift to sports that Dublin have some success in, soccer and rugby.

A shambles of a game from a team that never fails to choke on the big day. I'd say the Dublin hurlers r closer to winning an AI than that shower of wasters. Why the hell is Sherlock still playing on the team? He was past it 10 years ago.

Pathetic, overhyped rubbish. Never have 15 promised so much and delivered so little.

Quote from: Shamrock Shore on August 03, 2009, 06:57:41 PM
Terrible terrible display by Dublin.

They stank the joint worse than last year.

How did it go so wrong agin the worst Kerry side in living memory?

you have to be taking the piss

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Wonderful display by Kerry. I dont think they will walk to an AI now though. Mayo could give them a good game if they win next week. And Cork will be very hard beat. A lot still to do for Kerry.

Really at time I thought it was quite mediocre. I mean there was some amount of wides and alot of running into blind alleys. Kerry have toppled the house of cards nothing more.  

thats nice of you gnevin, you can only trash whats put in front of you

True enough.  However would you not agree that at time Kerry looked lost against what was a non existent Dublin? Wides, Passing and Shape?

I'm just saying it's hard to read into Kerry's form after Dublin decided not to turn up

Jeez, it would be hard to find too many faults with that Kerry performance, it was fantasy football. It's highly unlikely they'll play to that level again this year but you have to admire that performance all the same.

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Quote from: Shamrock Shore on August 03, 2009, 06:57:41 PM
Terrible terrible display by Dublin.

They stank the joint worse than last year.

How did it go so wrong agin the worst Kerry side in living memory?

you have to be taking the piss

Awesome dispaly from a brilliant Kerry team.

Quote from: SidelineKick on August 03, 2009, 06:25:23 PM

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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 03, 2009, 06:13:18 PM
Jeez, did I get that wrong!

But then, I didn't expect statues to turn up for the Dublin Team? What the feck! Does Paddy Power have that much subliminal control over Dublin that once he declares them favourites in an Inter-Provincial they turn to mush?

Kerry very impressive, and fair play to them, they've risen to the necessary levels. But they've done that before, and look where that ended up  ;)

Champions 4 times this decade!!

Well, they are team of the decade after all.

The decade isn't over yet, and if you've a 100% failure rate against a certain team three times (so far), then that's a big assumption.

As Bomber Liston said last year: if Kerry didn't beat Tyrone in the 2008 final, then that devalued all of their previous SAMs this decade.

Quote from: Shamrock Shore on August 03, 2009, 06:57:41 PM
Terrible terrible display by Dublin.

They stank the joint worse than last year.

How did it go so wrong agin the worst Kerry side in living memory?

Arguably the second best team in history. Four titles this decade, potentially six finals in a row. Not bad for such a poor Kerry side!

Was at the match with my Dublin born and bred brother in law. In the after match conversation there were two points made.  Firstly no-one under 16 in Dublin has a memory of Dublin winning an AI.  Secondly one lad had a story of a 12/13 year old in Dublin this summer giving up soccer to play rugby following on from the Leinster and Ireland successes in that code this year.  Put the two together and all those that are crowing about Dublin's defeat may find that a weak Dublin weakens the GAA as a whole because that is where the big marketing bucks are attracted to the game and without them (the bucks) the game will stuggle to get support long term.  The national pot is only so small and with professional and Government backed (i.e. Olympic) sports being the ones that are getting the dosh, this is not about Dublin for Dublin's benefit

Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2009, 07:22:39 PM
Arguably the second best team in history. Four titles this decade, potentially six finals in a row. Not bad for such a poor Kerry side!

Thanks, so Tyrone are the best, since they've (Kerry) a 100% failure rate against them!  ;D :D

Haven't read through the thread and I'm not going too. Struggling to post after that and questioning really is their any merit in being a Dublin football supporter after that.
I've followed Dublin for a number of decades now and I've rarely witnessed anything like that today.
I've been criticised for being too harsh on the Dublin football team in recent years well now maybe people might roll back on that.
We gave up today, packed it in, whatever you want to call it. When the going got tough we didn't want to know. No legislation for that.
Complete clear out required- I'm talking a complete clear out.

Just from the managements point of view although there isn't much you can do when you're players give up but.....
Tactically they got it wrong
Selection wise they got it wrong
And substitution wise they got it wrong.

But if your players give up the management can't do much.

The current Dublin management won't win an All-ireland. the next Dublin manager won't either. 6/7 years away at best. That will do untold damge to thre Gaa in Dublin today.
Dublin will play in an All-ireland hurling final before a football one. You mark my words on that because I won't be wrong.

Kerry were great today but like Cork yesterday- I'd question the value of beating that Dublin team today. It was no contest for 62 minutes.
We'll get the piss ripped out of us and deservedly so- but its like a wake here at the moment. I thought we had a chance today- Christ how wrong I was.

Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2009, 06:40:14 PM
True I know they only played twice in finals but they have shared the last 6 All Irelands and I really hope we see a new face lifting Sam in September. Nothing wrong with that. Cork are best equipped to do this and the likes of Canty, Lynch, Murphy et al deserve an All Ireland.

Well theyve had a few chances to earn that "deserved" All-Ireland and have another this year so its down to them. Excellent performance by Kerry today, I thought they would wake up on reaching this stage and beat the Dubs but didnt think it would be such a mauling. Actually starting to feel a bit sorry for the Dubs now, they seem unable to avoid all the hype building up around them and then seem equally unable to deal with it. They have some good footballers but are falling short in terms of mental strength.

As for Kerry nobody should be too surprised they were able to pull out a big performance, theyre a class team. No doubt a lot of people will now lose the run of themselves and proclaim Kerry an unbeatable wonderteam, the same people who were writing them off as finished over the past few weeks. Always been a lack of perspective in GAA circles.

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 03, 2009, 06:13:18 PM
Jeez, did I get that wrong!

To be fair, you're not the only one FoSB.


As Paddy Heaney so memorably and publicly scoffed a few days ago ;


Dubs can put the ailing Kingdom out of its misery

A few months ago, this column caused some civil unrest in the deep south when it dared to suggest that we, as a nation, are hopelessly deluded about Kerry football.
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Against the Breeze argued that these people were just plain wrong. It said these people were still living under the spell of the magical green and gold jersey. It said they were allowing tradition and nostalgia to cloud their judgement.

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Whereas Mike Frank Russell and Eoin Brosnan recently quit his squad, the absolute unity and dedication that Jack needs can be found in the changing room of his next opponents. Dublin's Ciaran Whelan, Bryan Cullen and Shane Ryan have all been prepared to sit on the bench.

Nevertheless, Kerry's grip on the public imagination is still incredibly strong. For all their failings and fall-outs, it's amazing how few can identify the symptoms of a dying team.

There is a nationwide inability to dismiss Kerry. Despite the evidence presented in recent games, there are many who still insist that 'you write Kerry off at your peril'.

What cautious drivel! Against Longford, Sligo and Antrim, we witnessed a once fine team in the death throes. Proud, strong and noble, it's fitting that Kerry are gasping for every last lungful of air.

It's a relief they weren't beaten in the Qualifiers. These players deserved a better send-off than to be laid to rest in a remote outpost in the midlands.

Better for them to return to the capital, and Croke Park, the ground they consider home, and the place where this Kerry team will receive their last rites.

http://www.irishnews.com/irishnews/597/5764/2009/7/28/623611_388890678322Dubscanp.html


Even more hilarious reading it now ... don't think Paddy will be heaping self-praise on his analytical ability any time soon again, if he's to have any credibility left  :D  ;)

I base my assertion on a Kerry team that only beat us by 4 points with Donaghy.

But, on mature reflection, I think Kerry refound themselves today.

Quote from: INDIANA on August 03, 2009, 07:28:13 PM

The current Dublin management won't win an All-ireland. the next Dublin manager won't either. 6/7 years away at best. That will do untold damge to thre Gaa in Dublin today.

if dublin club football is as good as you say it is indiana why do you think it will be 6 or 7 years before ye can challenge for an all ireland ?

FUUUCK!

Well done Kerry.

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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 03, 2009, 06:13:18 PM
Jeez, did I get that wrong!

To be fair, you're not the only one FoSB.


As Paddy Heaney so memorably and publicly scoffed a few days ago ;


Dubs can put the ailing Kingdom out of its misery

A few months ago, this column caused some civil unrest in the deep south when it dared to suggest that we, as a nation, are hopelessly deluded about Kerry football.
..

Against the Breeze argued that these people were just plain wrong. It said these people were still living under the spell of the magical green and gold jersey. It said they were allowing tradition and nostalgia to cloud their judgement.

..
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Whereas Mike Frank Russell and Eoin Brosnan recently quit his squad, the absolute unity and dedication that Jack needs can be found in the changing room of his next opponents. Dublin's Ciaran Whelan, Bryan Cullen and Shane Ryan have all been prepared to sit on the bench.

Nevertheless, Kerry's grip on the public imagination is still incredibly strong. For all their failings and fall-outs, it's amazing how few can identify the symptoms of a dying team.

There is a nationwide inability to dismiss Kerry. Despite the evidence presented in recent games, there are many who still insist that 'you write Kerry off at your peril'.

What cautious drivel! Against Longford, Sligo and Antrim, we witnessed a once fine team in the death throes. Proud, strong and noble, it's fitting that Kerry are gasping for every last lungful of air.

It's a relief they weren't beaten in the Qualifiers. These players deserved a better send-off than to be laid to rest in a remote outpost in the midlands.

Better for them to return to the capital, and Croke Park, the ground they consider home, and the place where this Kerry team will receive their last rites.

http://www.irishnews.com/irishnews/597/5764/2009/7/28/623611_388890678322Dubscanp.html


Even more hilarious reading it now ... don't think Paddy will be heaping self-praise on his analytical ability any time soon again, if he's to have any credibility left  :D  ;)

That's not the first time Paddy has had egg on his face - Nostradamus he's not.

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Quote from: INDIANA on August 03, 2009, 07:28:13 PM

The current Dublin management won't win an All-ireland. the next Dublin manager won't either. 6/7 years away at best. That will do untold damge to thre Gaa in Dublin today.

if dublin club football is as good as you say it is indiana why do you think it will be 6 or 7 years before ye can challenge for an all ireland ?

I said Dublin club football was a decent standard- read the relevent thread extracts. Mayo is a decent standard but you haven't won an all-ireland since the 50's. Club football means feck all at county level when you haven't the attitude or winning mentality associated with the kerry's and tyrone's of this world.
Kerry and Tyrone are born to win the likes of dublin and others were born to lose.

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That dreadful thought of another Tyrone v Kerry final is creeping in again now. Kerry going for 6 finals in a row look to be a shoe in to make the final on that display. I really am sick of them at ths stage but their class told today up front where their passing and movement was top notch. I still think they are weak up the middle of the defence against a team running at pace. McCarthy done well today even though he was put under no real pressure.

Come on Cork, please save this championship from another Tyrone Kerry final fest.

 

Aye cos the last Kerry v. Cork final was such a classic and all!

Never mentioned it being a classic, just fed up of the same 2 teams contesting the final. No doubt Kerry would probably do the usual crumbling when confronted with Tyrones in your face tactics. The rebels are the only chance of breaking this monopoly so I'm willing them on from here on in.

And your not fed up of Kerry being in the final year after year? They have been in the final 7 years out of last 9 and look like making in 8 out of 10.

archie, whose fault is that? i get sick of the sight of killkenny in the hurling but their brilliant at the end of the day and i dispare at times of anyone beating them because of the skill levels involved. not so much in football where the skill levels are not so different and its a huge tribute to the kerry players that they put in so much time and effort. the most important ingredient in kerry football is hunger and others counties can quickly match kerry if they match their hunger

Im not saying it Kerry's fault, they were good value for getting to all them finals and fair play to them. He quoted that he was fed up seeing Tyrone and Kerry in the final all the time, but they have only played in the final twice this decade and Tyrone have only appeared in one other final compared to Kerry's 7 finals this decade, so I cant see why he is fed up seeing Tyrone and Kerry in the final when Kerry have been there more times.

True I know they only played twice in finals but they have shared the last 6 All Irelands and I really hope we see a new face lifting Sam in September. Nothing wrong with that. Cork are best equipped to do this and the likes of Canty, Lynch, Murphy et al deserve an All Ireland.

Quote : I really hope we see a new face lifting Sam in September.

Darren O Sullivan would be a new face to lift Sam !! ;)

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Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2009, 07:22:39 PM
Arguably the second best team in history. Four titles this decade, potentially six finals in a row. Not bad for such a poor Kerry side!

Thanks, so Tyrone are the best, since they've (Kerry) a 100% failure rate against them!  ;D :D

Using your logic Mayo are therefore a better team than Tyrone since they knocked them out twice in the last 5 years.

Deal with the facts, Kerry have 4 All Irelands and Tyrone have 3. In fact Dara O'Se has 5 Celtic Crosses. Kerry have been in 7 All Ireland finals and potentially 8 this decade. Tyrone have been in 3. These are facts.

thank you paddy power for your most generous 6/5 on kerry. paid for my weekend that did!! ;D

Yet some clowns put great stock in what fellas like Heaney say for some reason.

Dublin's appetite for destruction to end Kerry era
Kieran Shannon, Sunday Tribune

Over the past week it's becoming increasingly common for it to be said that Dublin are in a vulnerable position and that Kerry are actually nicely positioned, coming into an All Ireland quarter-final as underdogs. That's not the case. Dublin will never get a better chance than this, Dublin will never be better positioned than this, to do something they've failed to do for the last decade or more – beat a champion side.

For all the Leinsters they've won, for all the thrills they've provided and cracking games they've been in, this Dublin team have only beaten fellow would-be contenders, never champions. Against the sides that contest All Irelands – the Tyrones, Armaghs, Kerrys and even Mayos – they've always slipped up. The natural progression for this side is to finally beat a side of that calibre and profile, and in an experienced but waning Kerry, they've been handed the ideal opponent, a bit like an up and coming fighter one fight away from a shot at the title being handed a fight against a proud but aging former champion first.

Being such proud champions – indeed the root of Kerry's current problems may be that too many of their players are too proud – Jack O'Connor's team will have questioned Dublin's right to beat them when that Dublin team is so vulnerable itself. David Henry is the only proven championship footballer in their full-back line; if Colm Cooper clicks and Henry has to be moved off him, who do Pat Gilroy and Mickey Whelan switch onto him? Ditto that Dublin half-forward line; there are major questions in particular about Diarmuid Connolly's temperament at this level.

Dublin must go out with the view of not just beating Kerry but of destroying them, and show the attitude Cork displayed against the same opposition in Páirc Uí Chaoimh, rather than the more tentative manner in which they played them a week earlier in Killarney. Run at them and make them doubt whether they have the legs and heart for this level of football anymore. In other years it was a mistake to engage in a shootout with Kerry, but this year it's your best chance, rather than an edgy, low-scoring dogfight where in the last 20 minutes the fear of losing and having to wait another August for redemption may creep into the minds of Dublin.

For all the reservations we'd have about their full-back line and half forwards, this is Dublin's to lose. They have the players to come in at midfield and in Bernard Brogan, they have the real deal, a player to take them to the next level. Just because Kerry are back in Croke Park it's not like as if they can just switch on a light. Normally teams have cranked up by now. Kerry did so against Longford in '06; last year against Mayo, Tyrone had a storming 15-minute spell after Conor Mortimer's missed goal chance. Kerry's last 10 minutes against an Antrim side weary from losing a provincial final hardly qualifies.

All fine teams come to an end. Kerry effectively ended John O'Mahony's Galway this weekend seven years ago, and Joe Kernan's, this weekend three years ago. Armagh died hard. Kerry deserve to die hard. Kerry are too proud and chivalric to fall down easily. But fall they will. Dublin by three.

Quote from: nobackdoor on August 03, 2009, 07:03:52 PM
Bad result for the GAA financially.

The Dubs bring alot of money to the table. I can't c too many supporting them next year and paying good money to watch moving statues as another poster called them.

In fact, I think alot of young fellahs in the capital will continue to drift to sports that Dublin have some success in, soccer and rugby.

A shambles of a game from a team that never fails to choke on the big day. I'd say the Dublin hurlers r closer to winning an AI than that shower of wasters. Why the hell is Sherlock still playing on the team? He was past it 10 years ago.

Pathetic, overhyped rubbish. Never have 15 promised so much and delivered so little.

I wasnt aware Dublin had a Rugby team?

Same old Dublin same old problems. The top 2 inches just doesnt measure up to the top teams. Talent and fitness can only get you so far, and judging on whats happened in the last couple years the talent level just isnt there at some positions either, Midfield, Full Back, and Half Forward for example.

Eff me pink. Sucked in again I was. Actually felt sorry for the Dubs in the crowd.

Watched the game in Cork. They're dismissing Tyrone down here.

Quote from: paddypastit on August 03, 2009, 07:26:52 PM
Was at the match with my Dublin born and bred brother in law. In the after match conversation there were two points made.  Firstly no-one under 16 in Dublin has a memory of Dublin winning an AI.  Secondly one lad had a story of a 12/13 year old in Dublin this summer giving up soccer to play rugby following on from the Leinster and Ireland successes in that code this year.  Put the two together and all those that are crowing about Dublin's defeat may find that a weak Dublin weakens the GAA as a whole because that is where the big marketing bucks are attracted to the game and without them (the bucks) the game will stuggle to get support long term.  The national pot is only so small and with professional and Government backed (i.e. Olympic) sports being the ones that are getting the dosh, this is not about Dublin for Dublin's benefit

Also I think that Dublin need to introduce a "three foreigners" type rule for their club sides. I wonder how many teams have a lad originally from down the country playing at full back, and maybe a good young Minor or U-21 not getting an opportunity to play Senior football.

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Eff me pink. Sucked in again I was. Actually felt sorry for the Dubs in the crowd.

Watched the game in Cork. They're dismissing Tyrone down here.

good ;)

Quote from: paddypastit on August 03, 2009, 07:26:52 PM
Was at the match with my Dublin born and bred brother in law. In the after match conversation there were two points made.  Firstly no-one under 16 in Dublin has a memory of Dublin winning an AI.  Secondly one lad had a story of a 12/13 year old in Dublin this summer giving up soccer to play rugby following on from the Leinster and Ireland successes in that code this year.  Put the two together and all those that are crowing about Dublin's defeat may find that a weak Dublin weakens the GAA as a whole because that is where the big marketing bucks are attracted to the game and without them (the bucks) the game will stuggle to get support long term.  The national pot is only so small and with professional and Government backed (i.e. Olympic) sports being the ones that are getting the dosh, this is not about Dublin for Dublin's benefit

So, should the other 31 counties participating in the AI all sit back and allow the Dubs to win an AI for the good of the GAA ????

Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2009, 08:08:22 PM
Eff me pink. Sucked in again I was. Actually felt sorry for the Dubs in the crowd.

Watched the game in Cork. They're dismissing Tyrone down here.

Anybody surprised by that needs to get out more often, the definition of a Corkman with an inferiority complex being a langer that reckons he's only as good as everybody else

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Quote from: paddypastit on August 03, 2009, 07:26:52 PM
Was at the match with my Dublin born and bred brother in law. In the after match conversation there were two points made.  Firstly no-one under 16 in Dublin has a memory of Dublin winning an AI.  Secondly one lad had a story of a 12/13 year old in Dublin this summer giving up soccer to play rugby following on from the Leinster and Ireland successes in that code this year.  Put the two together and all those that are crowing about Dublin's defeat may find that a weak Dublin weakens the GAA as a whole because that is where the big marketing bucks are attracted to the game and without them (the bucks) the game will stuggle to get support long term.  The national pot is only so small and with professional and Government backed (i.e. Olympic) sports being the ones that are getting the dosh, this is not about Dublin for Dublin's benefit

Also I think that Dublin need to introduce a "three foreigners" type rule for their club sides. I wonder how many teams have a lad originallz from down the country playing at full back, and maybe a good young Minor or U-21 not getting an opportunity to play Senior football.

I've said that for years  but what does that mean for guy who is from Donegal or Mayo? Is he going to drive 300 miles per weekend to play? I doubt it. I proposed a draft system. Whereby the weakest club gets the best players- which would mean amore even county championship. But as usual these things fall on deaf ears.

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The current Dublin management won't win an All-ireland. the next Dublin manager won't either. 6/7 years away at best. That will do untold damge to thre Gaa in Dublin today.

if dublin club football is as good as you say it is indiana why do you think it will be 6 or 7 years before ye can challenge for an all ireland ?

I said Dublin club football was a decent standard- read the relevent thread extracts. Mayo is a decent standard but you haven't won an all-ireland since the 50's. Club football means feck all at county level when you haven't the attitude or winning mentality associated with the kerry's and tyrone's of this world.
Kerry and Tyrone are born to win the likes of dublin and others were born to lose.

well in that thread you said that the level of club football in mayo wasn't that great otherwise we wouldn't be waiting since 1951 to win an ai intercounty final yet here you say club football means feck all at county level. also tyrone only have that attitude since 2003 when they won thier 1st all ireland, at the end of the day you only get that attitude by winning the ai . what happened dublins attitude from the 70's then they seemed to be born to win back then

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Quote from: paddypastit on August 03, 2009, 07:26:52 PM
Was at the match with my Dublin born and bred brother in law. In the after match conversation there were two points made.  Firstly no-one under 16 in Dublin has a memory of Dublin winning an AI.  Secondly one lad had a story of a 12/13 year old in Dublin this summer giving up soccer to play rugby following on from the Leinster and Ireland successes in that code this year.  Put the two together and all those that are crowing about Dublin's defeat may find that a weak Dublin weakens the GAA as a whole because that is where the big marketing bucks are attracted to the game and without them (the bucks) the game will stuggle to get support long term.  The national pot is only so small and with professional and Government backed (i.e. Olympic) sports being the ones that are getting the dosh, this is not about Dublin for Dublin's benefit

Also I think that Dublin need to introduce a "three foreigners" type rule for their club sides. I wonder how many teams have a lad originallz from down the country playing at full back, and maybe a good young Minor or U-21 not getting an opportunity to play Senior football.

I've said that for years  but what does that mean for guy who is from Donegal or Mayo? Is he going to drive 300 miles per weekend to play? I doubt it. I proposed a draft system. Whereby the weakest club gets the best players- which would mean amore even county championship. But as usual these things fall on deaf ears.

Very true, maybe they should play for teams like the Civil Service, that have teams at different levels, and have no underage system to damage.

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Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2009, 08:08:22 PM
Eff me pink. Sucked in again I was. Actually felt sorry for the Dubs in the crowd.

Watched the game in Cork. They're dismissing Tyrone down here.

Anybody surprised by that needs to get out more often, the definition of a Corkman with an inferiority complex being a langer that reckons he's only as good as everybody else

Or maybe Mickey has sent him down to misinform ;)

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Quote from: INDIANA on August 03, 2009, 07:28:13 PM

The current Dublin management won't win an All-ireland. the next Dublin manager won't either. 6/7 years away at best. That will do untold damge to thre Gaa in Dublin today.

if dublin club football is as good as you say it is indiana why do you think it will be 6 or 7 years before ye can challenge for an all ireland ?

I said Dublin club football was a decent standard- read the relevent thread extracts. Mayo is a decent standard but you haven't won an all-ireland since the 50's. Club football means feck all at county level when you haven't the attitude or winning mentality associated with the kerry's and tyrone's of this world.
Kerry and Tyrone are born to win the likes of dublin and others were born to lose.

well in that thread you said that the level of club football in mayo wasn't that great otherwise we wouldn't be waiting since 1951 to win an ai intercounty final yet here you say club football means feck all at county level. also tyrone only have that attitude since 2003 when they won thier 1st all ireland, at the end of the day you only get that attitude by winning the ai . what happened dublins attitude from the 70's then they seemed to be born to win back then

Hardened men and good footballers. Thats the difference between now and the 70's. Also the landscape has changed- more counties now are competitive. Kerry have raised their standards to meet this. The likes of Dublin and Mayo haven't.
If you want to have a debate on club football I'll be happy to do so- But not on this thread.

Why don't Dublin bring back Mullins and Moran from the '77 team?

They could be the GAAs version of Foreman in the boxing. They'd still tackle better than any of the current manequins. Plus Dublin would then be expected to lose and Kerry do not play as well when they r complacent.

Dublin would continue to win meaningless Leinster titles and fill Croke park with people anxious to c boys from the good old days. McNally could take the place of Whelan and throw in the sly dig/elbow, when the occassion arises.

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Quote from: paddypastit on August 03, 2009, 07:26:52 PM
Was at the match with my Dublin born and bred brother in law. In the after match conversation there were two points made.  Firstly no-one under 16 in Dublin has a memory of Dublin winning an AI.  Secondly one lad had a story of a 12/13 year old in Dublin this summer giving up soccer to play rugby following on from the Leinster and Ireland successes in that code this year.  Put the two together and all those that are crowing about Dublin's defeat may find that a weak Dublin weakens the GAA as a whole because that is where the big marketing bucks are attracted to the game and without them (the bucks) the game will stuggle to get support long term.  The national pot is only so small and with professional and Government backed (i.e. Olympic) sports being the ones that are getting the dosh, this is not about Dublin for Dublin's benefit

Also I think that Dublin need to introduce a "three foreigners" type rule for their club sides. I wonder how many teams have a lad originallz from down the country playing at full back, and maybe a good young Minor or U-21 not getting an opportunity to play Senior football.

I've said that for years  but what does that mean for guy who is from Donegal or Mayo? Is he going to drive 300 miles per weekend to play? I doubt it. I proposed a draft system. Whereby the weakest club gets the best players- which would mean amore even county championship. But as usual these things fall on deaf ears.

Very true, maybe they should play for teams like the Civil Service, that have teams at different levels, and have no underage system to damage.

Thats the way it used to be.

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Quote from: paddypastit on August 03, 2009, 07:26:52 PM
Was at the match with my Dublin born and bred brother in law. In the after match conversation there were two points made.  Firstly no-one under 16 in Dublin has a memory of Dublin winning an AI.  Secondly one lad had a story of a 12/13 year old in Dublin this summer giving up soccer to play rugby following on from the Leinster and Ireland successes in that code this year.  Put the two together and all those that are crowing about Dublin's defeat may find that a weak Dublin weakens the GAA as a whole because that is where the big marketing bucks are attracted to the game and without them (the bucks) the game will stuggle to get support long term.  The national pot is only so small and with professional and Government backed (i.e. Olympic) sports being the ones that are getting the dosh, this is not about Dublin for Dublin's benefit

Also I think that Dublin need to introduce a "three foreigners" type rule for their club sides. I wonder how many teams have a lad originallz from down the country playing at full back, and maybe a good young Minor or U-21 not getting an opportunity to play Senior football.

I've said that for years  but what does that mean for guy who is from Donegal or Mayo? Is he going to drive 300 miles per weekend to play? I doubt it. I proposed a draft system. Whereby the weakest club gets the best players- which would mean amore even county championship. But as usual these things fall on deaf ears.

Very true, maybe they should play for teams like the Civil Service, that have teams at different levels, and have no underage system to damage.

Thats the way it used to be.

Its up to the County board to put something in place. According to my info, a vote to limit non Dubs in club Senior teams was defeated at a County Board AGM about 3 or maybe 4 years ago. I remember meeting a lad for a pint in the Carpenter on his way back from that meeting. He was (and still is) the county board delegate for the Civil Service club. He said that the majority of the delegates there just didnt understand how potentially important the vote was.

Quote from: INDIANA on August 03, 2009, 08:14:51 PM

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Quote from: paddypastit on August 03, 2009, 07:26:52 PM
Was at the match with my Dublin born and bred brother in law. In the after match conversation there were two points made.  Firstly no-one under 16 in Dublin has a memory of Dublin winning an AI.  Secondly one lad had a story of a 12/13 year old in Dublin this summer giving up soccer to play rugby following on from the Leinster and Ireland successes in that code this year.  Put the two together and all those that are crowing about Dublin's defeat may find that a weak Dublin weakens the GAA as a whole because that is where the big marketing bucks are attracted to the game and without them (the bucks) the game will stuggle to get support long term.  The national pot is only so small and with professional and Government backed (i.e. Olympic) sports being the ones that are getting the dosh, this is not about Dublin for Dublin's benefit

Also I think that Dublin need to introduce a "three foreigners" type rule for their club sides. I wonder how many teams have a lad originallz from down the country playing at full back, and maybe a good young Minor or U-21 not getting an opportunity to play Senior football.

I've said that for years  but what does that mean for guy who is from Donegal or Mayo? Is he going to drive 300 miles per weekend to play? I doubt it. I proposed a draft system. Whereby the weakest club gets the best players- which would mean amore even county championship. But as usual these things fall on deaf ears.

If I was a Dub my attitude would be that's not our problem.  I know we all want as many people involved and playing football/hurling but when it fucks up your underage system and chances of success...

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That dreadful thought of another Tyrone v Kerry final is creeping in again now. Kerry going for 6 finals in a row look to be a shoe in to make the final on that display. I really am sick of them at ths stage but their class told today up front where their passing and movement was top notch. I still think they are weak up the middle of the defence against a team running at pace. McCarthy done well today even though he was put under no real pressure.

Come on Cork, please save this championship from another Tyrone Kerry final fest.
 

Aye cos the last Kerry v. Cork final was such a classic and all!

Never mentioned it being a classic, just fed up of the same 2 teams contesting the final. No doubt Kerry would probably do the usual crumbling when confronted with Tyrones in your face tactics. The rebels are the only chance of breaking this monopoly so I'm willing them on from here on in.

And your not fed up of Kerry being in the final year after year? They have been in the final 7 years out of last 9 and look like making in 8 out of 10.

archie, whose fault is that? i get sick of the sight of killkenny in the hurling but their brilliant at the end of the day and i dispare at times of anyone beating them because of the skill levels involved. not so much in football where the skill levels are not so different and its a huge tribute to the kerry players that they put in so much time and effort. the most important ingredient in kerry football is hunger and others counties can quickly match kerry if they match their hunger

Im not saying it Kerry's fault, they were good value for getting to all them finals and fair play to them. He quoted that he was fed up seeing Tyrone and Kerry in the final all the time, but they have only played in the final twice this decade and Tyrone have only appeared in one other final compared to Kerry's 7 finals this decade, so I cant see why he is fed up seeing Tyrone and Kerry in the final when Kerry have been there more times.

True I know they only played twice in finals but they have shared the last 6 All Irelands and I really hope we see a new face lifting Sam in September. Nothing wrong with that. Cork are best equipped to do this and the likes of Canty, Lynch, Murphy et al deserve an All Ireland.

whys that? u get what u deserve

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Quote from: paddypastit on August 03, 2009, 07:26:52 PM
Was at the match with my Dublin born and bred brother in law. In the after match conversation there were two points made.  Firstly no-one under 16 in Dublin has a memory of Dublin winning an AI.  Secondly one lad had a story of a 12/13 year old in Dublin this summer giving up soccer to play rugby following on from the Leinster and Ireland successes in that code this year.  Put the two together and all those that are crowing about Dublin's defeat may find that a weak Dublin weakens the GAA as a whole because that is where the big marketing bucks are attracted to the game and without them (the bucks) the game will stuggle to get support long term.  The national pot is only so small and with professional and Government backed (i.e. Olympic) sports being the ones that are getting the dosh, this is not about Dublin for Dublin's benefit

Also I think that Dublin need to introduce a "three foreigners" type rule for their club sides. I wonder how many teams have a lad originallz from down the country playing at full back, and maybe a good young Minor or U-21 not getting an opportunity to play Senior football.

I've said that for years  but what does that mean for guy who is from Donegal or Mayo? Is he going to drive 300 miles per weekend to play? I doubt it. I proposed a draft system. Whereby the weakest club gets the best players- which would mean amore even county championship. But as usual these things fall on deaf ears.

If I was a Dub my attitude would be that's not our problem.  I know we all want as many people involved and playing football/hurling but when it f**ks up your underage system and chances of success...

Listen I agree with you but we didn't get to a position today by chance. We got their through years of gobshites at county board level. I could write an almanac of underage players kept out by foreign stars. But the DCB have sat on thier hands for years on this.

how would a draft system work?  The present system is grand, if the young lads are good enough they'll find a place for them.  Look at Crokes, they had very few non dubs playing.
As for the dubs, they're not that far off the mark, they've as good a set of forwards as anyone in Ireland (when they get ball into them), their problem today was (amongst other things) workrate, they've got to realise that they need to work their bollox off, they were wondering around there today in a daze, when they trailed by 1.3 to 0, they accepted defeat, that's ridiculous, there was 5/6 minutes gone ffs!!  Then Brogan goes for goal when an easy point is on after 12 mins, Murphy was almost shown up once again, but managed to get a hand to it (as he should for a speculative shot from that distance).

It was easy for Kerry to raise themselves for this one today though, everyone wrote them off, given their previous performances you couldn't give them a chance in this one.  But finally it all clicked for them, for probably the first time since Galway last year, (Galway didn't bother defending against them either).  They may not be able to raise the level to that again and I've been impressed by Mayo this year, this could be their year to finally overcome the Kingdom - if it's Meath they play, it'd be hard to avoid another Kerry final appearance.
Repeat of the '89 final then, Mayo v Cork, but this time Mayo will come through and John O'Mahony will have a dail seat for life!

Quotethe likes of Canty, Lynch, Murphy et al deserve an All Ireland

Can you explain that one?  Unless you somehow deserve an AI for being outside the top 3 teams in the country for a decade I have no idea what you are on about?

Kerry were never as bad as Sligo and the Qualifers suggested. They are not as good as today would suggest either. Next game will be more of a barometre. Parallels with Tyrone last year are (unfortunately) almost identical.

Good to see Pat back to his OTT best..before the game he talked about there possibly being one last kick from this Kerry team but that was it...they won't win the AI this year....

After the game: ML - Pat - can Kerry win the AI?  Pat - Yes

Joe takes the biscuit however with his line about Dublin being just a confidence building session for the big teams

Quote from: Bogball XV on August 03, 2009, 08:52:40 PM
how would a draft system work?  The present system is grand, if the young lads are good enough they'll find a place for them.  Look at Crokes, they had very few non dubs playing.
As for the dubs, they're not that far off the mark, they've as good a set of forwards as anyone in Ireland (when they get ball into them), their problem today was (amongst other things) workrate, they've got to realise that they need to work their bollox off, they were wondering around there today in a daze, when they trailed by 1.3 to 0, they accepted defeat, that's ridiculous, there was 5/6 minutes gone ffs!!  Then Brogan goes for goal when an easy point is on after 12 mins, Murphy was almost shown up once again, but managed to get a hand to it (as he should for a speculative shot from that distance).

It was easy for Kerry to raise themselves for this one today though, everyone wrote them off, given their previous performances you couldn't give them a chance in this one.  But finally it all clicked for them, for probably the first time since Galway last year, (Galway didn't bother defending against them either).  They may not be able to raise the level to that again and I've been impressed by Mayo this year, this could be their year to finally overcome the Kingdom - if it's Meath they play, it'd be hard to avoid another Kerry final appearance.
Repeat of the '89 final then, Mayo v Cork, but this time Mayo will come through and John O'Mahony will have a dail seat for life!

You don't realise a lot of these guys are being paid. If a club is paying a player he will play regardless of how good any underage player is. Vincents don't pay anybody- we're financially broke and we've a shortage of players anyway. But some of ther other clubs have no excuse as regards the numbers of players they have.

We're way off the mark mate in terms of being at that level. Haven't beaten anybody since 1995 of top 4 material. Thats hardly a legacy that lends itself to success.

Anyone happy with today's result, outside of a Kerry person, is a short sighted fool. I'm just back in from trhe match and I haven't been as disappointed with a result in a long time.

Quote from: Bogball XV on August 03, 2009, 08:52:40 PM
It was easy for Kerry to raise themselves for this one today though, everyone wrote them off, given their previous performances you couldn't give them a chance in this one.  But finally it all clicked for them, for probably the first time since Galway last year, (Galway didn't bother defending against them either).  They may not be able to raise the level to that again and I've been impressed by Mayo this year, this could be their year to finally overcome the Kingdom - if it's Meath they play, it'd be hard to avoid another Kerry final appearance.
Repeat of the '89 final then, Mayo v Cork, but this time Mayo will come through and John O'Mahony will have a dail seat for life!

The best thing that could happen for Mayo football is a one point defeat to Meath. In this scenario, Mayo people will then be able to avoid their biannual public humiliation at the hands of Kerry. Mayo r about 15 players short of a good team. As one of the previous posters said, the most important part of the body is the top 2 inches, and Mayo are fatally flawed in this area.

Even a cursory look at the facts indicates that Mayo r miles away from competing at the highest level. They beat Galway by a point whose subsequent conquerors were annihalted by Cork.

Dream on, and keep the Sawdoctors "to win just once" on the turntable

Looking forward to Liam Hayes next Sunday ::)

Great to see Paddy Heaney in the Irish News gettin it so wrong again. He continually critises this amazing Kerry team. How dare he with the record this team has set with all ireland simi final and final appearances. A wonderful display.

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Arguably the second best team in history. Four titles this decade, potentially six finals in a row. Not bad for such a poor Kerry side!

Thanks, so Tyrone are the best, since they've (Kerry) a 100% failure rate against them!  ;D :D

Using your logic Mayo are therefore a better team than Tyrone since they knocked them out twice in the last 5 years.

Mayo has a 50% ratio against ourselves (knocked us out in 2004, that's once, not twice), and a 0% ratio against Kerry, against whom we've a 100% ratio. What part of the word 'logic' do you not understand?

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Quote from: Bogball XV on August 03, 2009, 08:52:40 PM
how would a draft system work?  The present system is grand, if the young lads are good enough they'll find a place for them.  Look at Crokes, they had very few non dubs playing.
As for the dubs, they're not that far off the mark, they've as good a set of forwards as anyone in Ireland (when they get ball into them), their problem today was (amongst other things) workrate, they've got to realise that they need to work their bollox off, they were wondering around there today in a daze, when they trailed by 1.3 to 0, they accepted defeat, that's ridiculous, there was 5/6 minutes gone ffs!!  Then Brogan goes for goal when an easy point is on after 12 mins, Murphy was almost shown up once again, but managed to get a hand to it (as he should for a speculative shot from that distance).

It was easy for Kerry to raise themselves for this one today though, everyone wrote them off, given their previous performances you couldn't give them a chance in this one.  But finally it all clicked for them, for probably the first time since Galway last year, (Galway didn't bother defending against them either).  They may not be able to raise the level to that again and I've been impressed by Mayo this year, this could be their year to finally overcome the Kingdom - if it's Meath they play, it'd be hard to avoid another Kerry final appearance.
Repeat of the '89 final then, Mayo v Cork, but this time Mayo will come through and John O'Mahony will have a dail seat for life!

You don't realise a lot of these guys are being paid. If a club is paying a player he will play regardless of how good any underage player is. Vincents don't pay anybody- we're financially broke and we've a shortage of players anyway. But some of ther other clubs have no excuse as regards the numbers of players they have.

We're way off the mark mate in terms of being at that level. Haven't beaten anybody since 1995 of top 4 material. Thats hardly a legacy that lends itself to success.

I accept there are rumours that certain top players are paid, but how many are in reality?  Crokes for example, whilst possibly having a name for that in the past had a largely home grown squad last year, same with Vincents the previous year.
If young lads are good enough they'll get playing time somewhere, if they have to play football at a lower level until they make the break through, is that such a problem?  You've plenty of top players throughout the country who don't play senior club football in their county.

As for Dublin not beating top 4 sides, who is to say just who the top 4 are?  I'm flummoxed on it anyway, any of them can beat each other, what I don't understand is how dublin could give up in the same manner that Donegal did yesterday?  After all they've been through since the season began, to sit back after ten minutes and say "feck it these lot are pretty handy, can't see us beating them" is inexcusable.  

Quote from: Zulu on August 03, 2009, 08:58:33 PM
Anyone happy with today's result, outside of a Kerry person, is a short sighted fool. I'm just back in from trhe match and I haven't been as disappointed with a result in a long time.

I expected three cracking quarter finals this weekend, I was disgusted with Donegal yesterday, but, there was always the possibility that would happen, but today's match was utterly deflating.  I'm sick of seeing Kerry in all ireland finals, truly sick of it.  If it's them and Cork again, I might give it a miss (although this Cork aren't the same as the past few, that's what we thought about Dublin too).

The match was a non event after 10 minutes. I had the Dubs down as contenders although was always worried about their backs considering the high scores they conceded previously. I hope that not the last we see of Shane Ryan as it would be a poor way to bow out.

The Dubs should try the back door system next year....they need regular games.........I certainly wouldn't write them off just yet, after all Kerry were written off after Longford and Sligo and Antrim.

Also hope it's not the last we've seen of Whelan and Ryan.....a good rest and they'll be back.

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 27, 2009, 05:15:18 PM
I think Jack O'Connor would be well served switching Tommy Walsh and Declan O'Sullivan next Monday. Alan Smith had Denis Bastic in a lot of trouble in the Leinster Final before the ball going in dried up in the second half, I think Declan O'Sullivan could do likewise. He started off his Kerry career as a full forward and played there for Coláiste na Sceilge. Playing Walsh in on the edge of the square will suit Bastic and play into Dublin's hands. Putting Walsh out on the forty will also test Bryan Cullen by putting him on the back foot - something Kildare failed to do to our cost.

I've a feeling Kerry could finally click into gear on Monday. Should be a cracker.

Send on the cheque Jack boy!  ;D

Awesome display of football from the Kingdom. Well worth the €35 to watch that live. Cheered me up no end after yesterday's result.

Quote from: Bogball XV on August 03, 2009, 09:11:49 PM

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Quote from: Bogball XV on August 03, 2009, 08:52:40 PM
how would a draft system work?  The present system is grand, if the young lads are good enough they'll find a place for them.  Look at Crokes, they had very few non dubs playing.
As for the dubs, they're not that far off the mark, they've as good a set of forwards as anyone in Ireland (when they get ball into them), their problem today was (amongst other things) workrate, they've got to realise that they need to work their bollox off, they were wondering around there today in a daze, when they trailed by 1.3 to 0, they accepted defeat, that's ridiculous, there was 5/6 minutes gone ffs!!  Then Brogan goes for goal when an easy point is on after 12 mins, Murphy was almost shown up once again, but managed to get a hand to it (as he should for a speculative shot from that distance).

It was easy for Kerry to raise themselves for this one today though, everyone wrote them off, given their previous performances you couldn't give them a chance in this one.  But finally it all clicked for them, for probably the first time since Galway last year, (Galway didn't bother defending against them either).  They may not be able to raise the level to that again and I've been impressed by Mayo this year, this could be their year to finally overcome the Kingdom - if it's Meath they play, it'd be hard to avoid another Kerry final appearance.
Repeat of the '89 final then, Mayo v Cork, but this time Mayo will come through and John O'Mahony will have a dail seat for life!

You don't realise a lot of these guys are being paid. If a club is paying a player he will play regardless of how good any underage player is. Vincents don't pay anybody- we're financially broke and we've a shortage of players anyway. But some of ther other clubs have no excuse as regards the numbers of players they have.

We're way off the mark mate in terms of being at that level. Haven't beaten anybody since 1995 of top 4 material. Thats hardly a legacy that lends itself to success.

I accept there are rumours that certain top players are paid, but how many are in reality?  Crokes for example, whilst possibly having a name for that in the past had a largely home grown squad last year, same with Vincents the previous year.
If young lads are good enough they'll get playing time somewhere, if they have to play football at a lower level until they make the break through, is that such a problem?  You've plenty of top players throughout the country who don't play senior club football in their county.

As for Dublin not beating top 4 sides, who is to say just who the top 4 are?  I'm flummoxed on it anyway, any of them can beat each other, what I don't understand is how dublin could give up in the same manner that Donegal did yesterday?  After all they've been through since the season began, to sit back after ten minutes and say "feck it these lot are pretty handy, can't see us beating them" is inexcusable.  

Quote from: Zulu on August 03, 2009, 08:58:33 PM
Anyone happy with today's result, outside of a Kerry person, is a short sighted fool. I'm just back in from trhe match and I haven't been as disappointed with a result in a long time.

I expected three cracking quarter finals this weekend, I was disgusted with Donegal yesterday, but, there was always the possibility that would happen, but today's match was utterly deflating.  I'm sick of seeing Kerry in all ireland finals, truly sick of it.  If it's them and Cork again, I might give it a miss (although this Cork aren't the same as the past few, that's what we thought about Dublin too).

Its mediocre country players that are the problem. look this may be difficult to appreciate but in Dublin outside players ususally get picked. Thats the way it is. Seen it in my own club. In detriment to better home grown  players. Hone grown player gets pissed off and ends up being lost to the game. Happens every year.
Even some mediocre country players in div2 get paid thats how bad it is in dublin- some of them five figure sums.

Dublin haven't beaten any of Kerry, Tyrone, Armagh, Mayo etc in the championship for years. 15 years of underachievement is not chance its a pattern of failure. With the amount of clubs and resources its a disgrace.
But its not one thing that is the issue - its a lot of things. And ALL have to be fixed before we can get back to challenge the likes of Kerry. the Gaa doesn't need any one county. Its up to us to dig ourselves out of the shit that we ourselves have created.

Quote from: Diet Coke on August 03, 2009, 09:17:10 PM
The Dubs should try the back door system next year....they need regular games.........I certainly wouldn't write them off just yet, after all Kerry were written off after Longford and Sligo and Antrim.

Also hope it's not the last we've seen of Whelan and Ryan.....a good rest and they'll be back.

How exactly do you TRY the back door system? Do you mean to deliberately throw a game? Or not train that hard and hope that someone is good enough to beat you?

Quote from: RMDrive on August 03, 2009, 09:35:31 PM

Quote from: Diet Coke on August 03, 2009, 09:17:10 PM
The Dubs should try the back door system next year....they need regular games.........I certainly wouldn't write them off just yet, after all Kerry were written off after Longford and Sligo and Antrim.

Also hope it's not the last we've seen of Whelan and Ryan.....a good rest and they'll be back.

How exactly do you TRY the back door system? Do you mean to deliberately throw a game? Or not train that hard and hope that someone is good enough to beat you?

Correct in one ....build up your training to peak at the right time......for eg.....Tyrone last year.......lost to Down and still win SAM......Provincial titles are not what they used to be.

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 03, 2009, 09:19:47 PM

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 27, 2009, 05:15:18 PM
I think Jack O'Connor would be well served switching Tommy Walsh and Declan O'Sullivan next Monday. Alan Smith had Denis Bastic in a lot of trouble in the Leinster Final before the ball going in dried up in the second half, I think Declan O'Sullivan could do likewise. He started off his Kerry career as a full forward and played there for Coláiste na Sceilge. Playing Walsh in on the edge of the square will suit Bastic and play into Dublin's hands. Putting Walsh out on the forty will also test Bryan Cullen by putting him on the back foot - something Kildare failed to do to our cost.

I've a feeling Kerry could finally click into gear on Monday. Should be a cracker.

Send on the cheque Jack boy!  ;D


Well done very perceptive .Then most Kildare people know their football

Awesome display of football from the Kingdom. Well worth the €35 to watch that live. Cheered me up no end after yesterday's result.

Quote from: nobackdoor on August 03, 2009, 09:05:16 PM

Quote from: Bogball XV on August 03, 2009, 08:52:40 PM
It was easy for Kerry to raise themselves for this one today though, everyone wrote them off, given their previous performances you couldn't give them a chance in this one.  But finally it all clicked for them, for probably the first time since Galway last year, (Galway didn't bother defending against them either).  They may not be able to raise the level to that again and I've been impressed by Mayo this year, this could be their year to finally overcome the Kingdom - if it's Meath they play, it'd be hard to avoid another Kerry final appearance.
Repeat of the '89 final then, Mayo v Cork, but this time Mayo will come through and John O'Mahony will have a dail seat for life!

The best thing that could happen for Mayo football is a one point defeat to Meath. In this scenario, Mayo people will then be able to avoid their biannual public humiliation at the hands of Kerry. Mayo r about 15 players short of a good team. As one of the previous posters said, the most important part of the body is the top 2 inches, and Mayo are fatally flawed in this area.

Even a cursory look at the facts indicates that Mayo r miles away from competing at the highest level. They beat Galway by a point whose subsequent conquerors were annihalted by Cork.

Dream on, and keep the Sawdoctors "to win just once" on the turntable

Aye and Kildare lost to Dublin by 3, Tyrone beat them by 2, so Kerry should beat Tyrone by 18 (we'll leave out last week's game with Antrim for the purposes of this study)

Radio Kerry replaying the match commentary now, if anyone is interested

http://powerlink.powerstream.net/002/00187/live1.asx

Thanks Spectator.
Great stuff altogether! :)

Quote from: nobackdoor on August 03, 2009, 09:05:16 PM

Quote from: Bogball XV on August 03, 2009, 08:52:40 PM
It was easy for Kerry to raise themselves for this one today though, everyone wrote them off, given their previous performances you couldn't give them a chance in this one.  But finally it all clicked for them, for probably the first time since Galway last year, (Galway didn't bother defending against them either).  They may not be able to raise the level to that again and I've been impressed by Mayo this year, this could be their year to finally overcome the Kingdom - if it's Meath they play, it'd be hard to avoid another Kerry final appearance.
Repeat of the '89 final then, Mayo v Cork, but this time Mayo will come through and John O'Mahony will have a dail seat for life!

The best thing that could happen for Mayo football is a one point defeat to Meath. In this scenario, Mayo people will then be able to avoid their biannual public humiliation at the hands of Kerry. Mayo r about 15 players short of a good team. As one of the previous posters said, the most important part of the body is the top 2 inches, and Mayo are fatally flawed in this area.

Even a cursory look at the facts indicates that Mayo r miles away from competing at the highest level. They beat Galway by a point whose subsequent conquerors were annihalted by Cork.

Dream on, and keep the Sawdoctors "to win just once" on the turntable

Bogball won't have much dreams about Mayo winning anyth8ing my dear newbie. He's not even from Mayo.

QuoteAnd ALL have to be fixed before we can get back to challenge the likes of Kerry. the Gaa doesn't need any one county.

Correct, the GAA needs every county but major population centres like Dublin, Meath, Kildare and Wicklow are very important. What happened today is a problem for more than Dublin GAA, it's great that Kerry can produce a performace like this but Dublin should be able to (at least) compete. No GAA man should be happy about today.

Is the game repeated anywhere?  Missed it as I was at work.

Quote from: spectator on August 03, 2009, 10:11:25 PM
Radio Kerry replaying the match commentary now, if anyone is interested

http://powerlink.powerstream.net/002/00187/live1.asx

Excellent ,some thing to listen to as I scan the Sunday Newspaper to see which of these buckos know anthing about our national game .

Quote from: spectator on August 03, 2009, 10:11:25 PM
Radio Kerry replaying the match commentary now, if anyone is interested

http://powerlink.powerstream.net/002/00187/live1.asx

Weeshie is some man for the football - could listen to him till the cows come home. You'd miss Liam Higgins alongside him though.

Liam Higgins RIP was a legend too. Really brought colour to match commentaries. Pity talent like these boys and others from other counties cant make it to RTE. Canning, Morrisey etc are cat!

Quote from: johnpower on August 03, 2009, 10:30:17 PM
Excellent ,some thing to listen to as I scan the Sunday Newspaper to see which of these buckos know anthing about our national game .

Will next Sunday's Tribune come with a complimetary free humble pie from Liam Hayes??

Serious humbling for a proud footballing county. Alot of gravedancing ahead of us I'm afraid. Our enemies/detractors must be ecstatic .

A generational wait for Sam ahead of us I'm afraid. Hope to forensically analyse defeat later.

Oíche Mhaith and Up the Dubs.

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 03, 2009, 10:43:46 PM

Quote from: johnpower on August 03, 2009, 10:30:17 PM
Excellent ,some thing to listen to as I scan the Sunday Newspaper to see which of these buckos know anthing about our national game .

Will next Sunday's Tribune come with a complimetary free humble pie from Liam Hayes??

You must be jokin!

Very poor from Dublin but I have said for 5 or 6 years now that you cannot expect a team to win an AI if they cant get out of the league - the lads always said Dublin dont take the league serious but for me it was always about seeing how the seconds play as they are the back up for a bad day. All Dublin achieved in the league was relegation last season and I cant help but think the two are related.

That team are now finished and I am unsure if there is much hope for the next few years anyway...

Felt sorry for the Dublin supporters today. The place was rocking and their team was a disgrace... atrocious. How do they keep doing this after winning Leinster considering the excellent show from Kildare yesterday. They even made Darren O'Sullivan look like a good footballer and that isn't easy to do.    

Does anyone really give a filying fcuk about what he writes about every Sunday? I dont buy the Tribune but may do if they got rid of that gobshite and got a proper columnist to write for them.

Quote from: longrunsthefox on August 03, 2009, 11:00:34 PM
Felt sorry for the Dublin supporters today. The place was rocking and their team was a disgrace... atrocious. How do they keep doing this after winning Leinster considering the excellent show from Kildare yesterday. They even made Darren O'Sullivan look like a good footballer and that isn't easy to do.    

Will be a long time until that crowd is seen again at a Dublin game. Thats the reality. While that won't bother a lot of people. It won't be good to have a large urban centre struggling which is the current case. Both codes should have strong teams in dublin- more than enough numbers for that. But hurling is well ahead of football. They are a lot closer to kilkenny and these teams than the footballers are to tyrone and co..

Darren O Sullivan is  avery good footballer. About time he was starting for them.

Quote from: comethekingdom on August 03, 2009, 11:01:08 PM
Does anyone really give a filying fcuk about what he writes about every Sunday? I dont buy the Tribune but may do if they got rid of that gobshite and got a proper columnist to write for them.

Hayes showed his class when he called Micko a "stubborn old goat". He did such a great job down in Carlow himself!

A class act alright! ;D

Quote from: hardstation on August 03, 2009, 11:03:13 PM

Quote from: longrunsthefox on August 03, 2009, 11:00:34 PM
Felt sorry for the Dublin supporters today. The place was rocking and their team was a disgrace... atrocious. How do they keep doing this after winning Leinster considering the excellent show from Kildare yesterday. They even made Darren O'Sullivan look like a good footballer and that isn't easy to do.    

:-\

Sorry but I just don't get Darren O'Sullivan. Aimless...head down and away on a solo run which is most liable to finish with the ball in an opponents hands... except against the Dubs of course  :-\  

Quote from: hardstation on August 03, 2009, 11:16:06 PM
I'd have him ahead of Penrose (for one).

I'll never forget the day he nearly beat Tyrone on his own (AI minor final '04). Only for the Tyrone players fouling him every time he got the ball, he probably would have beaten Tyrone on his own.

;)

Penrose is a mighty man for being out in front this past couple seasons. His option selection is getting better every game. Id take penrose right now myself.

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 03, 2009, 11:06:07 PM

Quote from: comethekingdom on August 03, 2009, 11:01:08 PM
Does anyone really give a filying fcuk about what he writes about every Sunday? I dont buy the Tribune but may do if they got rid of that gobshite and got a proper columnist to write for them.

Hayes showed his class when he called Micko a "stubborn old goat". He did such a great job down in Carlow himself!

got a win over offaly if i'm not mistaken in his first year, that would have to be success for carlow?

Quote from: hardstation on August 03, 2009, 11:16:06 PM
I'd have him ahead of Penrose (for one).

I'll never forget the day he nearly beat Tyrone on his own (AI minor final '04). Only for the Tyrone players fouling him every time he got the ball, he probably would have beaten Tyrone on his own.

if ever a game highlighted the need for a sin bin, that was the one.

Quote from: Bogball XV on August 03, 2009, 11:19:25 PM

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 03, 2009, 11:06:07 PM

Quote from: comethekingdom on August 03, 2009, 11:01:08 PM
Does anyone really give a filying fcuk about what he writes about every Sunday? I dont buy the Tribune but may do if they got rid of that gobshite and got a proper columnist to write for them.

Hayes showed his class when he called Micko a "stubborn old goat". He did such a great job down in Carlow himself!

got a win over offaly if i'm not mistaken in his first year, that would have to be success for carlow?

Quote from: hardstation on August 03, 2009, 11:16:06 PM
I'd have him ahead of Penrose (for one).

I'll never forget the day he nearly beat Tyrone on his own (AI minor final '04). Only for the Tyrone players fouling him every time he got the ball, he probably would have beaten Tyrone on his own.

if ever a game highlighted the need for a sin bin, that was the one.

One win over Offaly hardly gives him the license to slag off the greatest manager in the history of the game.

Quote from: longrunsthefox on August 03, 2009, 11:00:34 PM
Felt sorry for the Dublin supporters today. The place was rocking and their team was a disgrace... atrocious. How do they keep doing this after winning Leinster considering the excellent show from Kildare yesterday. They even made Darren O'Sullivan look like a good footballer and that isn't easy to do.    

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I'm very fond of him. Rate him highly.

What happened to the Ciaran Whelan thread ?

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 03, 2009, 11:22:43 PM

Quote from: Bogball XV on August 03, 2009, 11:19:25 PM

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 03, 2009, 11:06:07 PM

Quote from: comethekingdom on August 03, 2009, 11:01:08 PM
Does anyone really give a filying fcuk about what he writes about every Sunday? I dont buy the Tribune but may do if they got rid of that gobshite and got a proper columnist to write for them.

Hayes showed his class when he called Micko a "stubborn old goat". He did such a great job down in Carlow himself!

got a win over offaly if i'm not mistaken in his first year, that would have to be success for carlow?

Quote from: hardstation on August 03, 2009, 11:16:06 PM
I'd have him ahead of Penrose (for one).

I'll never forget the day he nearly beat Tyrone on his own (AI minor final '04). Only for the Tyrone players fouling him every time he got the ball, he probably would have beaten Tyrone on his own.

if ever a game highlighted the need for a sin bin, that was the one.

One win over Offaly hardly gives him the license to slag off the greatest manager in the history of the game.

is calling micko a stubborn old goat an insult?  I'd say it's accurate - no?

i wonder did jack O pin up all those newspaper reports before the game on the dressing room wall? only Joe brolly was Right  :o "extranvagant optimism has been dublin's default setting for the last 32 years and it is usually their undoing. they best be ready for the mother of all backlashes"

...but what were people supposed to think after they scraped past Sligo, Longford and Antrim... "Kerry are brilliiant and will whip the Dubs?!!"  You can only go by current form... same as last year when rubbish Down beat Tyrone and the rest as the say etc... can only go on form. Everyone so wise after the event...     

Quote from: Bogball XV on August 03, 2009, 11:44:19 PM

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 03, 2009, 11:22:43 PM

Quote from: Bogball XV on August 03, 2009, 11:19:25 PM

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 03, 2009, 11:06:07 PM

Quote from: comethekingdom on August 03, 2009, 11:01:08 PM
Does anyone really give a filying fcuk about what he writes about every Sunday? I dont buy the Tribune but may do if they got rid of that gobshite and got a proper columnist to write for them.

Hayes showed his class when he called Micko a "stubborn old goat". He did such a great job down in Carlow himself!

got a win over offaly if i'm not mistaken in his first year, that would have to be success for carlow?

Quote from: hardstation on August 03, 2009, 11:16:06 PM
I'd have him ahead of Penrose (for one).

I'll never forget the day he nearly beat Tyrone on his own (AI minor final '04). Only for the Tyrone players fouling him every time he got the ball, he probably would have beaten Tyrone on his own.

if ever a game highlighted the need for a sin bin, that was the one.

One win over Offaly hardly gives him the license to slag off the greatest manager in the history of the game.

is calling micko a stubborn old goat an insult?  I'd say it's accurate - no?

You're entitled to your opinion but as a Kildareman I certainly wouldn't agree. The Kildare lads that played under Micko would have gone through brick walls for him.

There probably was a grain of truth in what Hayes was getting at but to simply label Micko as a "stubborn old goat" was very disparaging and downright disrespectful as far as I'm concerned.

Quote from: longrunsthefox on August 03, 2009, 11:51:27 PM
...but what were people supposed to think after they scraped past Sligo, Longford and Antrim... "Kerry are brilliiant and will whip the Dubs?!!"  You can only go by current form... same as last year when rubbish Down beat Tyrone and the rest as the say etc... can only go on form. Everyone so wise after the event...     

cream always rises to the top & it's 2001 since either Tyrone or kerry didn't play in the all Ireland Final (nothing different this year ;))

Quote from: hardstation on August 03, 2009, 11:54:59 PM
Just shows you how good Longford, Sligo and Antrim really are.

yeah & spare a thought for westmeath, beaten by that dublin team by all of 27 points

Quote from: INDIANA on August 03, 2009, 07:28:13 PM
When the going got tough we didn't want to know. No legislation for that.
Complete clear out required- I'm talking a complete clear out.

It's a peculiar one The going got tough against Kildare and the Dubs stood up to be counted.
That was no fluke.

Anyway didn't Freud say, the Dubs are beyond psychoanalysis.

You have a fair point with the clean out.
Along with the clean out you could give this man a call.

(http://theexorcist.warnerbros.com/img/calling.jpg)

Are Dublin still planning a city team and a rural team? Or a north Dublin team and a south Dublin team?

Either of those might do better than the 15 that went out today.

Quote from: Orior on August 04, 2009, 12:33:13 AM
Are Dublin still planning a city team and a rural team? Or a north Dublin team and a south Dublin team?

Either of those might do better than the 15 that went out today.

No but I believe they are planning a 15 lads who never played Gaelic football before team .

It don't make sense though... they were very good against Kildare who gave Tyrone their fill of it yesterday. They just can't seem to bring it through the latter stages of the championship ... can't suddenly be  a useless team overnight, can they? 

Quote from: ross4life on August 04, 2009, 12:05:08 AM

Quote from: hardstation on August 03, 2009, 11:54:59 PM
Just shows you how good Longford, Sligo and Antrim really are.

yeah & spare a thought for westmeath, beaten by that dublin team by all of 27 points

At least Gilroy didn't wait until 30 minutes gone before he made a change

Quote from: Main Street on August 04, 2009, 12:12:50 AM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 03, 2009, 07:28:13 PM
When the going got tough we didn't want to know. No legislation for that.
Complete clear out required- I'm talking a complete clear out.

It's a peculiar one The going got tough against Kildare and the Dubs stood up to be counted.
That was no fluke.

Anyway didn't Freud say, the Dubs are beyond psychoanalysis.

You have a fair point with the clean out.
Along with the clean out you could give this man a call.

(http://theexorcist.warnerbros.com/img/calling.jpg)

Kerry spook Dublin Main Street. Its  as simple as that. We've beaten them twice since 1955 in the championship. We're not good enough either.

Quote from: hardstation on August 03, 2009, 11:24:45 PM

Quote from: Puckoon on August 03, 2009, 11:17:42 PM
Penrose is a mighty man for being out in front this past couple seasons. His option selection is getting better every game. Id take penrose right now myself.

Penrose is very quick but when he gets the ball he's like Bambi on ice. A calamity.

Scored a point, directly involved in three other points and indirectly involved in another point. Some calamity!

Quote from: never kickt a ball on August 04, 2009, 01:25:22 AM

Quote from: hardstation on August 03, 2009, 11:24:45 PM

Quote from: Puckoon on August 03, 2009, 11:17:42 PM
Penrose is a mighty man for being out in front this past couple seasons. His option selection is getting better every game. Id take penrose right now myself.

Penrose is very quick but when he gets the ball he's like Bambi on ice. A calamity.

Scored a point, directly involved in three other points and indirectly involved in another point. Some calamity!

Now there's a new one!

Cant understand how Bastik was still on the field at the end
If he had of been as interested in marking his man instead of attempting to leave marks on any man he came into contact with it may have suited him better

Whelan is Whelan. Dirty as sin

after Whelan's elbow and Dublin's behaviour in the last 20min in general it would be interesting to hear the views of a couple of the dub posters who were climbing onto there very high horse after the Derry monaghan match.

Anyone know why this game wasn's available to stream from the RTE website? My big plan was to watch it last night but could find it nowhere. Also, I must be going mad but I thought I heard Des Cahill say on the Sunday Game that he'd announce the winner of the competition after the Monday game, no sign of that either. I may be losing it though..

Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on August 04, 2009, 09:10:28 AM
Anyone know why this game wasn's available to stream from the RTE website? My big plan was to watch it last night but could find it nowhere. Also, I must be going mad but I thought I heard Des Cahill say on the Sunday Game that he'd announce the winner of the competition after the Monday game, no sign of that either. I may be losing it though..

They announced the winner all right. Fonsie from Tyrone IIRC!

Dublin are so overhyped, they get far far too much airtime.

Until they can shbow the necessary steel to win big games, they should not ever be talked about in the media again.

Bar Stephen Cluxton yesterday, they didn't have one player that wanted it enough.  He made a few great saves, and they their midfield went AWOL, the varied his kickouts very well.

At times yesterday, Dublin
•   Didn't have a midfield
•   had players who couldn't solo run the ball
•   had players who couldn't pick up the ball
•   had players going for goals from terrible angles in the 1st quarter when they were ONLY 5-6 pts down.
•   had no defenders putting any sort of pressure on Kerry going for scores.

Dublin are one of those teams when they are 10points up, the hill will be in full voice and their players will be flying, giving high fives after every score, but when there is a 50:50 ball to be won when they are getting it tight, they will be nowhere to be seen.....and the hill won't be getting behind their team, they will be BOOING the opposition.

If Dublin are going to get any respect any more in the media, their players should roll up their sleeves and earn it.  I noticed them getting a bus to Croker yesterday.  Their management should have made them walk home after yesterday!

Sorry for the long rant, but I am just sick of the amount of hype that these players get.  What is Pat Gilroy going to do when nobody has the most important thing required to play in cship.....the ability to compete and fight for every ball.  Forget skill, forget pointtaking....just honest heart and determination.

As for Ciaran Whelan...enough said, he is a disgrace to the GAA.  As one previous post says, what does he have to do to get sent off.

Commentators talking about Ciaran Whelan coming back to win "his" All-Ireland medal.  The only time an All-Ireland Medal belongs to anyone is on the third Sunday of September in the winners dressing room.

Quote from: robertemmet on August 04, 2009, 09:19:03 AM
Dublin are so overhyped, they get far far too much airtime.

Until they can shbow the necessary steel to win big games, they should not ever be talked about in the media again.

Bar Stephen Cluxton yesterday, they didn't have one player that wanted it enough.  He made a few great saves, and they their midfield went AWOL, the varied his kickouts very well.

At times yesterday, Dublin
•   Didn't have a midfield
•   had players who couldn't solo run the ball the ball
•   had players who couldn't pick up the ball
•   had players going for goals from terrible angles in the 1st quarter when they were ONLY 5-6 pts down.
•   had no defenders putting any sort of pressure on Kerry going for scores.

Dublin are one of those teams when they are 10points up, the hill will be in full voice and their players will be flying, giving high fives after every score, but when there is a 50:50 ball to be won when they are getting it tight, they will be nowhere to be scene.....and the hill won't be getting behind their team, they will be BOOING the opposition.

If Dublin are going to get any respect any more in the media, their players should roll up their sleeves and earn it.  I noticed them getting a bus to Croker yesterday.  Their management should have made them walk home after yesterday!

Sorry for the long rant, but I am just sick of the amount of hype that these players get.  What is Pat Gilroy going to do when nobody has the most important thing required to play in cship.....the ability to compete and fight for every ball.  Forget skill, forget pointtaking....just honest heart and determination.

As for Ciaran Whelan...enough said, he is a disgrace to the GAA.  As one previous post says, what does he have to do to get sent off.

Commentators talking about Ciaran Whelan coming back to win "his" All-Ireland medal.  The only time an All-Ireland Medal belongs to anyone is on the third Sunday of September in the winners dressing room.

Spot on RE. A bit like Derry in the north!

Quote from: robertemmet on August 04, 2009, 09:19:03 AM
Dublin are so overhyped, they get far far too much airtime.

Until they can shbow the necessary steel to win big games, they should not ever be talked about in the media again.

Bar Stephen Cluxton yesterday, they didn't have one player that wanted it enough.  He made a few great saves, and they their midfield went AWOL, the varied his kickouts very well.

At times yesterday, Dublin
•   Didn't have a midfield
•   had players who couldn't solo run the ball
•   had players who couldn't pick up the ball
•   had players going for goals from terrible angles in the 1st quarter when they were ONLY 5-6 pts down.
•   had no defenders putting any sort of pressure on Kerry going for scores.

Dublin are one of those teams when they are 10points up, the hill will be in full voice and their players will be flying, giving high fives after every score, but when there is a 50:50 ball to be won when they are getting it tight, they will be nowhere to be seen.....and the hill won't be getting behind their team, they will be BOOING the opposition.

If Dublin are going to get any respect any more in the media, their players should roll up their sleeves and earn it.  I noticed them getting a bus to Croker yesterday.  Their management should have made them walk home after yesterday!

Sorry for the long rant, but I am just sick of the amount of hype that these players get.  What is Pat Gilroy going to do when nobody has the most important thing required to play in cship.....the ability to compete and fight for every ball.  Forget skill, forget pointtaking....just honest heart and determination.

As for Ciaran Whelan...enough said, he is a disgrace to the GAA.  As one previous post says, what does he have to do to get sent off.

Commentators talking about Ciaran Whelan coming back to win "his" All-Ireland medal.  The only time an All-Ireland Medal belongs to anyone is on the third Sunday of September in the winners dressing room.

What would you know about winning all--irelands personally? Have you even got one at any level? I bet you don't. So how you can you can justify stating someone came back to "win" an all-ireland is bullshit. He came back to play for Dublin nothing else- there are no guarantees in life.Ciaran Whelan has had the same number of trangressions as many others from your county and beyond. Thats a fact. You can't see beyond the blue jersey. thats your problem. Has he transgressed anymore than bellew, mc menamin, mick lyons etc etc. I could go on and on and on but talking to people like you about it is pointless. You've got your own little agendas that date back to the 70's when Dublin were good.

I didn't say I have any All-Irelands.  I also never said that Ciaran Whelan can back to win "his" All-Ireland.  Its what the commentator said.....thats that I am tryiong to highlight.

My whole point is that the Dublin team get far too much media attention.  The media build them up far too much.

Ciaran Whelan is always getting wee dirty punches, elbows in, but never seems to get sent off.  There are other players, but that doesn't make what Ciaran Whelan done yesterday right.

We don't ask for the attention but it sells newspapers. Dublin have one press conference every 3 weeks- same as any other county if they are still in the championship. To have 80k at a dublin game is used as a stick to beat us? Would you prefer if they stayed at home. The Gaa got 5m in gate receipts yesterday. Thats not a bad thing for the association. But it will be a long time before a full house is seen at a dublin game again.

Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2009, 10:06:57 AM
We don't ask for the attention but it sells newspapers. Dublin have one press conference every 3 weeks- same as any other county if they are still in the championship. To have 80k at a dublin game is used as a stick to beat us? Would you prefer if they stayed at home. The Gaa got 5m in gate receipts yesterday. Thats not a bad thing for the association. But it will be a long time before a full house is seen at a dublin game again.

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Do you really think so ? Tyrone hammered Dublin in the quarter final last year but 5 months later under lights in a national league game, it was house full again in Croker. Granted it was 125 years, but it was still only a NFL game. Dublin are great supporters of their team and I reckon they'll come out in force again.

Paddy Heaney refusing to eat humble pie today.

It might be easier said than done, but Dublin really need to lose in Leinster before they'll progress beyond the Quarters it would seem. Winning Leinster will continue to set them up so high on that pedestal (not of their own doing), from where it's impossible for them to come back down to the necessary level to challenge the battle-hardened Qualifier coming though in the Quarters. Dublin need the hard, uncertain, graft of the Qualifiers to keep them firmly rooted to the task at hand, without the fanfare of their latest consecutive Leinster triumph ringing in their ears.

Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 04, 2009, 10:20:10 AM
Paddy Heaney refusing to eat humble pie today.

Not surprising really as he can't be seen to back track on the basis of 70 minutes football. However the facts speak for themselves. Based on the last 8 0r 9 years this Kerry side has nothing to prove to the likes of Paddy Heaney, Liam Hayes etc. They are one of the finest sides ever probably only bettered by the 70's kerry side and history will judge them as just that. But for Tyrone they would now be attempting 6 in a row.

Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 04, 2009, 10:20:10 AM
Paddy Heaney refusing to eat humble pie today.

- Those readers and acquaintances who are calling for me to apologise for my obituary on Kerry football last week will have to wait.

I'm sticking by my comments. I never said the Dubs would beat Kerry. (Everybody beats the Dubs.)

But I did state that Kerry would get beaten in Croke Park this summer. Until such times as I'm proved wrong, no humble pie will be eaten.

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 04, 2009, 10:21:33 AM
It might be easier said than done, but Dublin really need to lose in Leinster before they'll progress beyond the Quarters it would seem. Winning Leinster will continue to set them up so high on that pedestal (not of their own doing), from where it's impossible for them to come back down to the necessary level to challenge the battle-hardened Qualifier coming though in the Quarters. Dublin need the hard, uncertain, graft of the Qualifiers to keep them firmly rooted to the task at hand, without the fanfare of their latest consecutive Leinster triumph ringing in their ears.

Worth a shot but won't ultimately bring home the big one. We're not good enough. Simple as. And I've been saying it for some time now.

Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2009, 09:44:40 AM

Quote from: robertemmet on August 04, 2009, 09:19:03 AM
Dublin are so overhyped, they get far far too much airtime.

Until they can shbow the necessary steel to win big games, they should not ever be talked about in the media again.

Bar Stephen Cluxton yesterday, they didn't have one player that wanted it enough.  He made a few great saves, and they their midfield went AWOL, the varied his kickouts very well.

At times yesterday, Dublin
•   Didn't have a midfield
•   had players who couldn't solo run the ball
•   had players who couldn't pick up the ball
•   had players going for goals from terrible angles in the 1st quarter when they were ONLY 5-6 pts down.
•   had no defenders putting any sort of pressure on Kerry going for scores.

Dublin are one of those teams when they are 10points up, the hill will be in full voice and their players will be flying, giving high fives after every score, but when there is a 50:50 ball to be won when they are getting it tight, they will be nowhere to be seen.....and the hill won't be getting behind their team, they will be BOOING the opposition.

If Dublin are going to get any respect any more in the media, their players should roll up their sleeves and earn it.  I noticed them getting a bus to Croker yesterday.  Their management should have made them walk home after yesterday!

Sorry for the long rant, but I am just sick of the amount of hype that these players get.  What is Pat Gilroy going to do when nobody has the most important thing required to play in cship.....the ability to compete and fight for every ball.  Forget skill, forget pointtaking....just honest heart and determination.

As for Ciaran Whelan...enough said, he is a disgrace to the GAA.  As one previous post says, what does he have to do to get sent off.

Commentators talking about Ciaran Whelan coming back to win "his" All-Ireland medal.  The only time an All-Ireland Medal belongs to anyone is on the third Sunday of September in the winners dressing room.

What would you know about winning all--irelands personally? Have you even got one at any level? I bet you don't. So how you can you can justify stating someone came back to "win" an all-ireland is bullshit. He came back to play for Dublin nothing else- there are no guarantees in life.Ciaran Whelan has had the same number of trangressions as many others from your county and beyond. Thats a fact. You can't see beyond the blue jersey. thats your problem. Has he transgressed anymore than bellew, mc menamin, mick lyons etc etc. I could go on and on and on but talking to people like you about it is pointless. You've got your own little agendas that date back to the 70's when Dublin were good.

in a previous thread where you were taking the high moral ground you said that you would critcise dublin exactly the same if they resorted to the same behaviour,well whelan and alot of other dublin players were a disgrace in the last 20mins,whats the difference in fergal doherty kicking a opponent on the calf than taking the gooch with both legs and nearly putting him into the canal end?and trying to defend whelan because others have done the same...well just go back and read your own response when this argument was put to yourself in a previous thread.

Quote from: orangeman on August 04, 2009, 10:10:12 AM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2009, 10:06:57 AM
We don't ask for the attention but it sells newspapers. Dublin have one press conference every 3 weeks- same as any other county if they are still in the championship. To have 80k at a dublin game is used as a stick to beat us? Would you prefer if they stayed at home. The Gaa got 5m in gate receipts yesterday. Thats not a bad thing for the association. But it will be a long time before a full house is seen at a dublin game again.

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Do you really think so ? Tyrone hammered Dublin in the quarter final last year but 5 months later under lights in a national league game, it was house full again in Croker. Granted it was 125 years, but it was still only a NFL game. Dublin are great supporters of their team and I reckon they'll come out in force again.

That was different yesterday. Last year was a bad day at the office. Yesterday was an embarrassement. Will have a massive impact that defeat. I only hope its used as a reference point to put the changes in place structurally within the Dublin scene so that some good may come out of it Won't be holding my breath though.

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 04, 2009, 10:32:03 AM

Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 04, 2009, 10:20:10 AM
Paddy Heaney refusing to eat humble pie today.

- Those readers and acquaintances who are calling for me to apologise for my obituary on Kerry football last week will have to wait.

I'm sticking by my comments. I never said the Dubs would beat Kerry. (Everybody beats the Dubs.)

But I did state that Kerry would get beaten in Croke Park this summer. Until such times as I'm proved wrong, no humble pie will be eaten.

If all he said was that Kerry would be beat in Croke Park this year, then there would be nothing remarkable in that.
But there was an awful lot more bullshite written than that. The man is obviously a clown.

Quote from: Drumanee 1 on August 04, 2009, 11:03:02 AM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2009, 09:44:40 AM

Quote from: robertemmet on August 04, 2009, 09:19:03 AM
Dublin are so overhyped, they get far far too much airtime.

Until they can shbow the necessary steel to win big games, they should not ever be talked about in the media again.

Bar Stephen Cluxton yesterday, they didn't have one player that wanted it enough.  He made a few great saves, and they their midfield went AWOL, the varied his kickouts very well.

At times yesterday, Dublin
•   Didn't have a midfield
•   had players who couldn't solo run the ball
•   had players who couldn't pick up the ball
•   had players going for goals from terrible angles in the 1st quarter when they were ONLY 5-6 pts down.
•   had no defenders putting any sort of pressure on Kerry going for scores.

Dublin are one of those teams when they are 10points up, the hill will be in full voice and their players will be flying, giving high fives after every score, but when there is a 50:50 ball to be won when they are getting it tight, they will be nowhere to be seen.....and the hill won't be getting behind their team, they will be BOOING the opposition.

If Dublin are going to get any respect any more in the media, their players should roll up their sleeves and earn it.  I noticed them getting a bus to Croker yesterday.  Their management should have made them walk home after yesterday!

Sorry for the long rant, but I am just sick of the amount of hype that these players get.  What is Pat Gilroy going to do when nobody has the most important thing required to play in cship.....the ability to compete and fight for every ball.  Forget skill, forget pointtaking....just honest heart and determination.

As for Ciaran Whelan...enough said, he is a disgrace to the GAA.  As one previous post says, what does he have to do to get sent off.

Commentators talking about Ciaran Whelan coming back to win "his" All-Ireland medal.  The only time an All-Ireland Medal belongs to anyone is on the third Sunday of September in the winners dressing room.

What would you know about winning all--irelands personally? Have you even got one at any level? I bet you don't. So how you can you can justify stating someone came back to "win" an all-ireland is bullshit. He came back to play for Dublin nothing else- there are no guarantees in life.Ciaran Whelan has had the same number of trangressions as many others from your county and beyond. Thats a fact. You can't see beyond the blue jersey. thats your problem. Has he transgressed anymore than bellew, mc menamin, mick lyons etc etc. I could go on and on and on but talking to people like you about it is pointless. You've got your own little agendas that date back to the 70's when Dublin were good.

in a previous thread where you were taking the high moral ground you said that you would critcise dublin exactly the same if they resorted to the same behaviour,well whelan and alot of other dublin players were a disgrace in the last 20mins,whats the difference in fergal doherty kicking a opponent on the calf than taking the gooch with both legs and nearly putting him into the canal end?and trying to defend whelan because others have done the same...well just go back and read your own response when this argument was put to yourself in a previous thread.

Did I start a thread with Fergal's name on it lambasting him from a high? No I didn't. Thats the difference. i don't have a problem critcising him or anyone else but I'm asking the question why aren't these personalised threads started by the same people about players from their own county? Because they aren't Dubs thats why.