Is anyone else from Belfast or the surounding area angered that we were unable to watch three of the four football provincial finals?
TV3 can be picked up with terrestial aerial in some border regions as far as I know but cannot be picked up in Belfast and I assume the surrounding areas and counties such as Antrm (unless you use some sort of super strong aerial? but not that I know of). Setanta was carrying this coverage until its recent collapse, even then you were only able to watch the games if you were a setanta subscriber.
I think this is wholly unacceptable that many Ulster Gaels have been denied the chance to watch these games live. Blame for this must be placed squarely with the GAA. They should ensure when selling TV rights that the broadcaster has the ability to provide the coverage to the whole county and on a free basis.
reception was fine in Cork from what I hear
Typical partitionist response.
Don't rise to the bait Gullion.Hav to agree with ya here,total disgrace.GAAs response would probably be along the lines,Sure if ya wanna see the games,travel to see them.
Can't you pick up an old Sky box from a Mexican and use that?
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on July 19, 2009, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: slievegullion on July 19, 2009, 05:07:59 PM
Is anyone else from Belfast or the surounding area angered that we were unable to watch three of the four football provincial finals?
TV3 can be picked up with terrestial aerial in some border regions as far as I know but cannot be picked up in Belfast and I assume the surrounding areas and counties such as Antrm (unless you use some sort of super strong aerial? but not that I know of).
TV3 use the same transmitter infrastructure as that of RTÉ but don't use all the sites available. The main (only?) TV transmitter that can be received in Belfast is the Clermont Carn transmitter in Co. Louth and this carries not only RTÉ 1 and 2, but also TV3 and TG4, reception varies in different parts of the city & greater area from completely dead to fine on an indoor aerial on an upstairs bedroom.
If you are able to receive RTÉ1, RTÉ2 and TG4 terrestrially in the city (not just TG4), then TV3 is also available, it needs to be tuned into UHF channel 66 or E66, if it asks for an actual frequency it is 831.25MHz.
QuoteSetanta was carrying this coverage until its recent collapse, even then you were only able to watch the games if you were a setanta subscriber.
I think this is wholly unacceptable that many Ulster Gaels have been denied the chance to watch these games live. Blame for this must be placed squarely with the GAA. They should ensure when selling TV rights that the broadcaster has the ability to provide the coverage to the whole county and on a free basis.
TV3 officially only cover 85% of the population of the Republic in the first place with their terrestrial network, various "backwaters" such as Castlebar, Westport, Clonmel, Dungarvan, Greystones, Listowel, Letterkenny and Monaghan just to mention some are not officially covered. Even RTÉ only officially cover around 97-98% of the population in the Republic, which still leaves around 100,000 people outside of their coverage with either sub-standard coverage or having to rely on satellite, cable or MMDS which are all pay TV platforms. RTÉ's geographical coverage in the north is at around 80-85% though I haven't any figures for population coverage, I suspect it's around 50-60%.
if the same transmitters carry all the channels then how come i can get tg4 perfectly with a roof aerial but struggle with rte and have absolutely no signal for tv3? i take your point about rte not being available to everyone either but at least it is available on digital with sky or virgin on the cheapest basic package, so in theory everyone has access . tv3 is undeniably unavailable to a significant amount of people and when it was available on digital it was at a premium rate.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on July 19, 2009, 07:45:52 PM
Quote from: slievegullion on July 19, 2009, 07:18:29 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on July 19, 2009, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: slievegullion on July 19, 2009, 05:07:59 PM
Is anyone else from Belfast or the surounding area angered that we were unable to watch three of the four football provincial finals?
TV3 can be picked up with terrestial aerial in some border regions as far as I know but cannot be picked up in Belfast and I assume the surrounding areas and counties such as Antrm (unless you use some sort of super strong aerial? but not that I know of).
TV3 use the same transmitter infrastructure as that of RTÉ but don't use all the sites available. The main (only?) TV transmitter that can be received in Belfast is the Clermont Carn transmitter in Co. Louth and this carries not only RTÉ 1 and 2, but also TV3 and TG4, reception varies in different parts of the city & greater area from completely dead to fine on an indoor aerial on an upstairs bedroom.
If you are able to receive RTÉ1, RTÉ2 and TG4 terrestrially in the city (not just TG4), then TV3 is also available, it needs to be tuned into UHF channel 66 or E66, if it asks for an actual frequency it is 831.25MHz.
QuoteSetanta was carrying this coverage until its recent collapse, even then you were only able to watch the games if you were a setanta subscriber.
I think this is wholly unacceptable that many Ulster Gaels have been denied the chance to watch these games live. Blame for this must be placed squarely with the GAA. They should ensure when selling TV rights that the broadcaster has the ability to provide the coverage to the whole county and on a free basis.
TV3 officially only cover 85% of the population of the Republic in the first place with their terrestrial network, various "backwaters" such as Castlebar, Westport, Clonmel, Dungarvan, Greystones, Listowel, Letterkenny and Monaghan just to mention some are not officially covered. Even RTÉ only officially cover around 97-98% of the population in the Republic, which still leaves around 100,000 people outside of their coverage with either sub-standard coverage or having to rely on satellite, cable or MMDS which are all pay TV platforms. RTÉ's geographical coverage in the north is at around 80-85% though I haven't any figures for population coverage, I suspect it's around 50-60%.
if the same transmitters carry all the channels then how come i can get tg4 perfectly with a roof aerial but struggle with rte and have absolutely no signal for tv3? i take your point about rte not being available to everyone either but at least it is available on digital with sky or virgin on the cheapest basic package, so in theory everyone has access . tv3 is undeniably unavailable to a significant amount of people and when it was available on digital it was at a premium rate.
TG4 have a transmitter on Divis Mountain to broadcast into parts of Belfast on channel E59. This is relayed from Clermont Carn. This was set up as part of the Good Grief Disagreement.
There have been some issues in the Clermont Carn TV service area regarding reception of TV3 and TG4, this is because they use higher frequencies than those used by RTÉ1 and RTÉ2 which are prone to being screened a little bit more, plus aerials designed for that part of the UHF band that TV3 and TG4 are on are at the very edge of the band where they don't perform as well, especially cheaper aerials. Many of the RTÉ aerials in Belfast were erected when there was only two channels broadcasting in the south and so were optimised for them and not for TV3 and TG4 who both came about later. Belfast viewers also never had the same inkling to put massive aerials for fringe signals on 20 metre poles with guy wires like southerners have done for decades to receive UK television broadcasts from either up north or from Wales, indeed most RTÉ aerial installations I've seen in Belfast aren't designed for fringe reception yet many still complain of poor reception. Only places like pubs seem to be willing to get the job done properly or at least pay for it to be done right.
TV3 has never been formally available in N.I. except via terrestrial overspill - it has never officially been carried by Virgin Media and in not available to northern viewers on Sky, and while their spat with UTV continues they won't be for the foreseeable future. Also I would not count on being only available in a certain area via a pay-tv platform towards counting towards universal access.
To cap of, TV3 does have issues with it's coverage, but it has questions hanging over that in its own jurisdiction let alone northwards as well.
So you're agreeing with me then.
Anyway back to the point, it is completely unacceptable and I believe the GAA has shown a real neglect for Ulster Gaels in allowing this to happen.
Is there anything stopping these "Ulster Gaels" from going to the games?
You're effectively saying that all live matches should be broadcast on RTÉ. I'd love to see the GAA try to negotiate a TV deal with RTÉ when the Montrose mandarins know that they are the only game in town
Quote from: slievegullion on July 19, 2009, 05:07:59 PM
Is anyone else from Belfast or the surounding area angered that we were unable to watch three of the four football provincial finals?
TV3 can be picked up with terrestial aerial in some border regions as far as I know but cannot be picked up in Belfast and I assume the surrounding areas and counties such as Antrm (unless you use some sort of super strong aerial? but not that I know of). Setanta was carrying this coverage until its recent collapse, even then you were only able to watch the games if you were a setanta subscriber.
I think this is wholly unacceptable that many Ulster Gaels have been denied the chance to watch these games live. Blame for this must be placed squarely with the GAA. They should ensure when selling TV rights that the broadcaster has the ability to provide the coverage to the whole county and on a free basis.
It's a joke alright, I wish the GAA would need to get their coverage sorted, not just for Ireland but abroad as well. That said I think TV3 does a good job with the coverage, I'd rather them than RTE in fact but it's no good if most of the north can't watch!
its bulshit that rte 1,2 tv 3 and tg4 are not available to everyone free in the north. thought under the good friday agreement it was to be done. it should have been done long ago
Quote from: Cúig huaire on July 19, 2009, 09:07:20 PM
Is there anything stopping these "Ulster Gaels" from going to the games?
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Quote from: deiseach on July 19, 2009, 09:11:26 PM
You're effectively saying that all live matches should be broadcast on RTÉ. I'd love to see the GAA try to negotiate a TV deal with RTÉ when the Montrose mandarins know that they are the only game in town
How am I effectively saying that? I'm saying the GAA should ensure that there are structures in place for every province in Ireland to be able to access the games before they agree a deal with a tv company. It would not be hard to organise that games would somehow be shown in the north.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on July 19, 2009, 09:07:20 PM
Is there anything stopping these "Ulster Gaels" from going to the games?
Thats reasonable rational thought right there. Exactly, sure why should they broadcast into a home in Coleraine when they could simply travel the 9 hour drive there and back to Cork to watch a Hurling qualifier.
Quote from: slievegullion on July 19, 2009, 09:56:36 PM
How am I effectively saying that? I'm saying the GAA should ensure that there are structures in place for every province in Ireland to be able to access the games before they agree a deal with a tv company. It would not be hard to organise that games would somehow be shown in the north.
I would say it would be very hard. It would require a level of cooperation between broadcasters across the island that seems unlikely. Don't get me wrong, money isn't everything and the GAA should be motivated by the desire to ensure the coverage is truly nationwide. But don't come complaining when the rights are sold for the equivalent of a few magic beans
Just went onto the TV3 website to see if they will be showing the Kildare v Wicklow game online.
They will be but it's 'ROI only'.
This is an absolute disgrace! What is the story here? Anyone with any inside knowledge want to shine some light on the situation? If Setanta owned the rights to these games in the North then surely now those rights should have reverted back to the GAA or TV3 and there should be no problem with us Nordies accessing the games online?
TV3 coming in loud and clear here on the Ormeau Rd with my terrestial aerial.
Not for me.
Quote from: Donagh on July 25, 2009, 06:06:25 PM
TV3 coming in loud and clear here on the Ormeau Rd with my terrestial aerial.
And on the Antrim road for me
Quote from: slievegullion on July 25, 2009, 06:10:25 PM
Not for me.
You're not missing much - Jerry Springer.
I take it you have an RTE aerial and mast head booster?
Not sure? Probably not. Have an aerial on the roof but doesn't give me a good RTE picture so probably not.
Don't have it here either in Craigavon, f**king shite.
Seriously though, I don't mean to sound like I'm going on but this is a f**king disgrace. I'm so pissed off were being treated like shit by the GAA like this.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on July 19, 2009, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: slievegullion on July 19, 2009, 05:07:59 PM
Is anyone else from Belfast or the surounding area angered that we were unable to watch three of the four football provincial finals?
TV3 can be picked up with terrestial aerial in some border regions as far as I know but cannot be picked up in Belfast and I assume the surrounding areas and counties such as Antrm (unless you use some sort of super strong aerial? but not that I know of).
TV3 use the same transmitter infrastructure as that of RTÉ but don't use all the sites available. The main (only?) TV transmitter that can be received in Belfast is the Clermont Carn transmitter in Co. Louth and this carries not only RTÉ 1 and 2, but also TV3 and TG4, reception varies in different parts of the city & greater area from completely dead to fine on an indoor aerial on an upstairs bedroom.
If you are able to receive RTÉ1, RTÉ2 and TG4 terrestrially in the city (not just TG4), then TV3 is also available, it needs to be tuned into UHF channel 66 or E66, if it asks for an actual frequency it is 831.25MHz.
QuoteSetanta was carrying this coverage until its recent collapse, even then you were only able to watch the games if you were a setanta subscriber.
I think this is wholly unacceptable that many Ulster Gaels have been denied the chance to watch these games live. Blame for this must be placed squarely with the GAA. They should ensure when selling TV rights that the broadcaster has the ability to provide the coverage to the whole county and on a free basis.
TV3 officially only cover 85% of the population of the Republic in the first place with their terrestrial network, various "backwaters" YOU ARSEHOLE such as Castlebar (We get TV3 just fine in Castlebar), Westport, Clonmel, Dungarvan, Greystones, Listowel, Letterkenny and Monaghan just to mention some are not officially covered. Even RTÉ only officially cover around 97-98% of the population in the Republic, which still leaves around 100,000 people outside of their coverage with either sub-standard coverage or having to rely on satellite, cable or MMDS which are all pay TV platforms. RTÉ's geographical coverage in the north is at around 80-85% though I haven't any figures for population coverage, I suspect it's around 50-60%.
Quote from: slievegullion on July 25, 2009, 06:16:13 PM
Not sure? Probably not. Have an aerial on the roof but doesn't give me a good RTE picture so probably not.
I got a man to put up two new aerials, boosters, and cables to bedroom and living room (and he drilled a hole for my bathroom extractor fan) for about £90 all in. All southern channels are perfect. That was three years ago but I wouldn't expect the costs to have gone up that much since then. Could probably do it yourself if you have the ladders and could be bothered but the man had it all done inside an hour.
I don't do subscription services like Sky so considering we there is no license fee or subscription charge for all the GAA coverage, I don't think there is much to be complaining about.
Quote from: Donagh on July 25, 2009, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: slievegullion on July 25, 2009, 06:16:13 PM
Not sure? Probably not. Have an aerial on the roof but doesn't give me a good RTE picture so probably not.
I got a man to put up two new aerials, boosters, and cables to bedroom and living room (and he drilled a hole for my bathroom extractor fan) for about £90 all in. All southern channels are perfect. That was three years ago but I wouldn't expect the costs to have gone up that much since then. Could probably do it yourself if you have the ladders and could be bothered but the man had it all done inside an hour.
I don't do subscription services like Sky so considering we there is no license fee or subscription charge for all the GAA coverage, I don't think there is much to be complaining about.
What does this mean?
Quote from: slievegullion on July 25, 2009, 06:40:35 PM
Quote from: Donagh on July 25, 2009, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: slievegullion on July 25, 2009, 06:16:13 PM
Not sure? Probably not. Have an aerial on the roof but doesn't give me a good RTE picture so probably not.
I got a man to put up two new aerials, boosters, and cables to bedroom and living room (and he drilled a hole for my bathroom extractor fan) for about £90 all in. All southern channels are perfect. That was three years ago but I wouldn't expect the costs to have gone up that much since then. Could probably do it yourself if you have the ladders and could be bothered but the man had it all done inside an hour.
I don't do subscription services like Sky so considering we there is no license fee or subscription charge for all the GAA coverage, I don't think there is much to be complaining about.
What does this mean?
That you don't have much ground for complaining if you are prepared to pay out a montly fee to Sky or Setanta on the one hand but not perpared to install the equipment actually needed to watch TV3. RTE,1 RTE2, TV3, TG4 are all free to viewers in the north if you have the right aerial so there isn't a better deal than that. You don't see people complaining about not getting to watch sport on Sky because they don't have a dish or cable.
Kildare a point up.
They provide signal for channels to Louth and Donegal, by using better technology you have been able to access this signal. They have done nothing extraordinary to provide these channels to the North (except TG4). In fact if the broadcasters north and south had their way, which they will when the analog signal is switched off, you would not be able to access these channels.
Anyway my point was about the website. Why are we excluded from it?
Its to do with your ip address. From what i can see most of our ip address's are directed from scotland don't understand why but there you go. I think a new server base has been set up in derry something to do with this cable that come in at portrush must ring BT to see if a chage over is going to happen. I think its a disgrace that RTE TV3 ect cannot sort this out. I always say it the small matters in life that count.
Yes well RTE are providing their web coverage to the North just some Northern IP addresses look like they're coming from Britain so they can't gain access. However, TV3 have excluded the North from their web coverage altogether.
Have been reading that theres a way to change your IP to make it look like you're in the Republic but haven't figured it out yet.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on July 25, 2009, 08:46:54 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on July 25, 2009, 07:35:52 PM
Its to do with your ip address. From what i can see most of our ip address's are directed from scotland don't understand why but there you go. I think a new server base has been set up in derry something to do with this cable that come in at portrush must ring BT to see if a chage over is going to happen. I think its a disgrace that RTE TV3 ect cannot sort this out. I always say it the small matters in life that count.
Anyone using BT Retail based Datastream ADSL broadband will have their IP address mapped to normally where the ISP connection to the internet is based, not the location of where the subscriber to the service actually lives. Even this isn't particularly accurate, as mine is mapped to either London or Cambridge depending on what website I'm looking up for IP tracking or tracing.
Anyone else wanting to know can have a look at tracing where their connection is by going to www.ip-adress.com and then click on IP tracing. If it comes up that the location lies in the north, it would be worth knowing if access to RTE's content is possible.
The problem is that geo-locking via an IP address only has a reliable accuracy for a country, how it is then located in that country is down to how its distributed. I stand corrected if I'm wrong, but I've never heard of a successful attempt of geo-locking to allow one part of a country to view material and not allow another, and this is the problem that RTÉ and TV3 face, if a surfer from the north wishes to view its content, it will most likely check from an IP trace that they are located in Britain and block them. RTÉ won't know where the subscriber is located, TV3 are I presume just covering their arses and as mentioned by RTÉ in today's Irish News, there's nothing they can really do much about it other than to allow all of the UK in to view. If someone here who lives in N.I. can view RTÉ's geo-blocked material, please say so.[b\]
QuoteHave been reading that theres a way to change your IP to make it look like you're in the Republic but haven't figured it out yet.
It can be done via a proxy, but I know of no firm in the south that offers this service on a commercial basis.
Not sure if were talkin about the same thing here but i have watched rtes live streaming of games in belfast here before if thats what you mean?
These links are given on another forum to access RTE from outside the ROI. Don't know if they work but might be worth trying.
http://www.morningstarr.co.uk/forum/technology/23962-watching-rt-one-rt-two-outside-ireland.html
http://temple-bar.blogspot.com/2007/07/watch-irish-telly-from-outside-ireland_18.html
While they may officially not have responsibility for telecom regulation, some of the layabouts at Stormont could usefully call in Ofcom people and request that ISPs make NI based services possible (and consequently AI services). There is nothing hard about this, they know the exchange the customer is on, otherwise they couldn't route the traffic. The GAA could usefully chat to the ISPs, pointing out that customers want this and this is a selling point. Is there DSL offered through Gaelic telecom to GAA clubs? The likes of UTVInternet are presumably aware of the issue, and the Belfast cable must have a distinct range of IP numbers too.
QuoteIts to do with your ip address. From what i can see most of our ip address's are directed from scotland don't understand why but there you go. I think a new server base has been set up in derry something to do with this cable that come in at portrush must ring BT to see if a chage over is going to happen. I think its a disgrace that RTE TV3 ect cannot sort this out. I always say it the small matters in life that count.
QuoteRTE b**tards
This is not the fault of RTE. The GAA don't give them the rights outside Ireland. Various posters on this board happily sign up with ISPs that report their location as Birmingham or whatever and then come on here expecting RTE to sort it out.
You are the customer of the ISP,
you get them to report your location accurately.
In all fairness, this is not RTE's fault.
In the north - we pay the licence fee to the BBC, so complain to them and the GAA not RTE.
And never mind only being able to watch onr pronincial final, we didn't even get coverage of the minor match at all on BBC TV or Radio.
To those that havce commented about just needing the right aerials in Belfast - I think it only work in some parts, its depends on the buildings around you etc.
Anyway - its not practicle to get one installed if your living in rented flats and moving around each year - like many students and workers in Belfast do
Quote from: Lazer on July 27, 2009, 09:24:30 AM
To those that havce commented about just needing the right aerials in Belfast - I think it only work in some parts, its depends on the buildings around you etc.
Anyway - its not practicle to get one installed if your living in rented flats and moving around each year - like many students and workers in Belfast do
I don't get that at all, students have no problems taking up one of the Sky or cable offers to have someone come and drills holes in a landlords wall. The only difference with putting a tv aerial up is you have to get off your own hole and go get someone to do it and you leave something behind for the next man. I've lived in plenty of rented accommodation over the years and have had no issues putting an aerial up - in one case a landlord even reimbursed me £50.
My Da lives on the Antrim Rd in Belfast...gets TG4 and TV3 through yer ordinary rooftop aerial...not a bother. Course that's no help to those who don't.
Quote from: Donagh on July 27, 2009, 11:30:15 AM
Quote from: Lazer on July 27, 2009, 09:24:30 AM
To those that havce commented about just needing the right aerials in Belfast - I think it only work in some parts, its depends on the buildings around you etc.
Anyway - its not practicle to get one installed if your living in rented flats and moving around each year - like many students and workers in Belfast do
I don't get that at all, students have no problems taking up one of the Sky or cable offers to have someone come and drills holes in a landlords wall. The only difference with putting a tv aerial up is you have to get off your own hole and go get someone to do it and you leave something behind for the next man. I've lived in plenty of rented accommodation over the years and have had no issues putting an aerial up - in one case a landlord even reimbursed me £50.
I know very few students that get sky TV - cable is often used by students but usually cause its the only viable option for internet. For TV only - its usually freeview!
Personally I wouldn't be prepared to pay £100 a year for an aerial for terrestial tv channels! Its a lot of hassle to get the landlords permission and for flats etc there is often additional permission required.
Quote from: Lazer on July 27, 2009, 12:33:28 PM
I know very few students that get sky TV - cable is often used by students but usually cause its the only viable option for internet. For TV only - its usually freeview!
Personally I wouldn't be prepared to pay £100 a year for an aerial for terrestial tv channels! Its a lot of hassle to get the landlords permission and for flats etc there is often additional permission required.
If you already have an aerial for Freeview then all you need to spend is twenty or thirty quid on an RTE aerial and booster and attach that to the existing aerial mast. There's always ways and means. When I lived in a tower in Queen's Halls of Residence, I got onto the roof through a door on the ceiling of the top floor by unscrewing the latch, mounted the aerial on the lift shaft wall, ran the coaxial down the service shaft for nine floors, then across the top of ceiling tiles and down into my room. Whole operation only cost about a tenner for the aerial and cable and second hand booster box. My point being it's not rocket science to pick up the southern channels if you really want them and much better value than Sky or cable.
There's a new digital box available in the north, which also converts the southern channels to digital up here. £200 or so. Seen it in Omagh a few weeks ago.
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on July 27, 2009, 11:37:20 AM
My Da lives on the Antrim Rd in Belfast...gets TG4 and TV3 through yer ordinary rooftop aerial...not a bother. Course that's no help to those who don't.
Once you get on up towards the zoo and round the other side of the mountain you are screwed though.
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I feel that any Ofcom involvement would be pointless, as (a) there's no equivalent problem in the Republic bar some people being locked out of BBC iPlayer services (that goes for everyone outside of the UK), (b) as you've mentioned the NI Executive has no delegation powers towards Ofcom, only advisory and to be honest the technical understanding of such technologies by almost any MLA talking on such issues is frightfully shocking (c) there's little to nothing for ISPs in this. While they know where their subscriber is located, the route between the subscriber to the ISP is handled through BT for most broadband packages (LLU packages are one exception) via either IPstream or Datastream and they are unlikely to base servers in the north to connect with BT without expecting subscribers to pay for it; mandation by Ofcom would simply see many (especially regional) ISPs refuse to comply and end up being unenforceable.
If there is a need for this, then it is Ofcoms business to meet that need and if they mandate something then the providers need to do that. Other E-Business applications might like this information as many services involving physical delivery are organised on an AI basis. There is no technical obstacle to this, only an administrative one. If BT provide NI IP numbers than these can be mapped on to NI IP numbers by an ISP, end of problem. Small British based ISPs might not want to provide service in NI and BT would not route traffic to them, but this is hardly critical as they would only have a handful of customers.
As for the MLAs I am strongly critical of the nationalist parties, especially Sinn Fein, who rant on about all sorts of things, but did nothing to address this type of issue, mobile phones are another example and things like postal services. In the GFA a subclause about telecoms regulation recognising the All Ireland dimension could have been added without any opposition from anyone, a bit like the TG4 from Divis, yet they never even tried. There is a considerable number of MLAs, I imagine some of them have a clue.