ok discuss,
never thought i'd start a thread like this
Change the title to put Final in it!! ;D
i did ;D
Well it's going to be hard to look beyond Tyrone - but that's the way the Baker wants it anyway.
Going to be a hell of an occasion!
Any sign of hardstation, or has he been banned from the bus back to Belfast?
well Antrim have nothing to lose, they will be playing championship football long into the summer. that was not on the cards and if Antrim keep up the fitness levels than they can achieve anything
How long will it be till Brolly jumps on this band wagon?
Isn't he based in Belfast now? Wasn't he down helping them train 2 years ago? I bet it was his influence helped them.
there will be some crowd at Clones for the final Tyrone always bring a massive crowd. should it go to Croke?
Tyrone by 25-30 points
Quote from: milltown row on June 27, 2009, 09:40:25 PM
there will be some crowd at Clones for the final Tyrone always bring a massive crowd. should it go to Croke?
On the evidence of the attendance today. No!
In fairness to Brolly he seems fully behind the Antrim regime so I'm sure he is delighted by their progress.
Should we delete this thread?
I know it's a big game ... but two threads is confuddddling me!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 27, 2009, 09:11:47 PM
Any sign of hardstation, or has he been banned from the bus back to Belfast?
hes at mass
Tyrone will be 6/7 points better off. Antrim might be a bit nervous taking the field, they have to start well otherwise Tyrone will rack up a score
Quote from: JMohan on June 27, 2009, 09:50:55 PM
Should we delete this thread?
I know it's a big game ... but two threads is confuddddling me!
i started it, Fionntamhnach should delete his ;D ;D
Quote from: milltown row on June 27, 2009, 09:40:25 PM
there will be some crowd at Clones for the final Tyrone always bring a massive crowd. should it go to Croke?
::)
If today's crowd was anything to go by, you'd need a smaller ground, not a bigger one.
I hope MH puts out an experimental side, i.e., test tubes and bunsen burners, that'd be a win-win (we're not good heading into AI quarter-finals as Ulster Champs and defending AI Champs).
I really hope 2 things happen now; firstly that Antrim clubs get behind their IC team and encourage their members to turn out to support them in the final and secondly that the final is in Casement as opposed to Clones
has to be clones the home of ulster finals. why would you want it in casement after last week non event.
Quote from: gerry on June 28, 2009, 01:16:01 AM
has to be clones the home of ulster finals. why would you want it in casement after last week non event.
Are you serious?
Antrim are in the Ulster final for the first time since 1970 and you ask why I would want it in Casement?
Please tell me that was a brainfart of yours...
Todays Irish Times suggests Mickey Culbert might not be in the 'Ra after all. Looks like the Antrim bandwagon is going to roll :D
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on June 28, 2009, 01:21:24 AM
Quote from: gerry on June 28, 2009, 01:16:01 AM
has to be clones the home of ulster finals. why would you want it in casement after last week non event.
Are you serious?
Antrim are in the Ulster final for the first time since 1970 and you ask why I would want it in Casement?
Please tell me that was a brainfart of yours...
Don't like the idea of Casement at all. Antrim are in the final on merit and don't need to be patronised by giving them a home final which no other Ulster county would be given (except Monaghan obviously!).
Quote from: gerry on June 28, 2009, 01:16:01 AM
has to be clones the home of ulster finals. why would you want it in casement after last week non event.
Yep, even with a crowd of 12-15,000 max (my own estimate), the atmosphere was 10 times better this evening than last Sunday. I'm not sure if it's that Casement is just too open to hold noise.
Quote from: hardstation on June 28, 2009, 01:59:22 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 28, 2009, 01:52:30 AM
Quote from: gerry on June 28, 2009, 01:16:01 AM
has to be clones the home of ulster finals. why would you want it in casement after last week non event.
Yep, even with a crowd of 12-15,000 max (my own estimate), the atmosphere was 10 times better this evening than last Sunday. I'm not sure if it's that Casement is just too open to hold noise.
It's the fecking black hack drivers on the Andytown road. Constantly beeping their bastarding horns.
There was a young Antrim fella near us this evening that was close to having his horn shoved where the sun don't shine. Those things are bloody annoying - it's alright when there's a score, but when it's constant it would drive you mad.
You're in flying form. ::)
Not at all. ;D
so derry are the only side in ulster not to have contested an ulster final this century then?
Quote from: talktothehand on June 28, 2009, 08:23:04 AM
so derry are the only side in ulster not to have contested an ulster final this century then?
armagh beat them in the 2000 ulster final
Can't wait to see all the moustaches, from the two finest moustache growing counties in Ireland. That in it itself will be a spectacle
Happy to see antrim do well. Hopefully they will bring back the anglo celt championship the capital.
Quote from: ifa fan on June 28, 2009, 11:21:19 AM
Happy to see antrim do well. Hopefully they will bring back the anglo celt championship the capital.
Why would they take it to Dublin?
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on June 28, 2009, 11:48:22 AM
Quote from: ifa fan on June 28, 2009, 11:21:19 AM
Happy to see antrim do well. Hopefully they will bring back the anglo celt championship the capital.
Why would they take it to Dublin?
He's a classic WUM. Was talking about an all-Northern Ireland Ulster final. Best ignored.
Posters on claiming about certain players coming back into the panel for Antrrim would have a bad effect with the squad. Terry O'Neill and Kevin Niblock have bolstered the team and if Sean Kelly was asked back then he'd also give it quality.
a good manager would use the form players and having an open squad can only better the competition for places which in turn will increase performances from everybody.
now in saying that i believe the panel in place now have done Antrim/clubs/families and themselves proud. long may it continue. was at a juvenile game this morning and the buzz about the place was great. but having not went to any of the games I'm reluctant in going to the final, as was a few other lads i was talking to today. we all said we would not want to scud them for the final :D :D
Milltown i was thinking the same about going to the game yesterday after being away for the Donegal game - but all worked out yesterday well enough!
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 28, 2009, 12:25:49 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on June 28, 2009, 11:48:22 AM
Quote from: ifa fan on June 28, 2009, 11:21:19 AM
Happy to see antrim do well. Hopefully they will bring back the anglo celt championship the capital.
Why would they take it to Dublin?
He's a classic WUM. Was talking about an all-Northern Ireland Ulster final. Best ignored.
Agreed. Posters like this should be banned, no interest in Gaelic games or intelligent discussion on any topic.
Quote from: hardstation on June 28, 2009, 05:38:35 PM
Milltown can go get fcuked, sure he was supporting Donegal against us.
Thats right, were is the Donegal Crest?
Quote from: fitzroyalty on June 28, 2009, 11:17:28 AM
Can't wait to see all the moustaches, from the two finest moustache growing counties in Ireland. That in it itself will be a spectacle
It'll be like an RUC reservists' reunion.
Paddy Power to win Ulster outright - Tyrone 1/16 Antrim 8/1
How about The Leonard Arms in Clones pre-match for a gaaboarders bevvy? And unlike Saffron Sam2, I'll actually be there and buy you a jar when I say that I will be ;)
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 28, 2009, 05:41:39 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 28, 2009, 05:38:35 PM
Milltown can go get fcuked, sure he was supporting Donegal against us.
Thats right, were is the Donegal Crest?
I'd a legitimate argument with the county over the release of county footballers to hurl league games for their club, I've settled that dispute and moved on. the fookers train on a wed night. i mean what da fook!! league games are usually fixed for those nights.
come on Antrim ;D ;D
Delighted to see Antrim win yesterday and it to their first Ulster Football Final in 39 years.
I think Antrim will give Tyrone a much better game than Derry did, because unlike Derry, they have nothing to fear. A young, successful squad of players. Meeting Tyrone is something they'll want. Still lose, but well done Antrim. ;)
As a bitter Derry fan, I'd have loved us to take out tyrone last week. However, If you'd have taken Derry out of the equation before the championship, my next best wish would be for Antrim to beat them in an Ulster final. Now that would be funny! ;D
Unfortunately, it's not gonna happen :-[
Quote from: Tim Buzaglo on June 28, 2009, 10:43:53 PM
As a bitter Derry fan, I'd have loved us to take out tyrone last week. However, If you'd have taken Derry out of the equation before the championship, my next best wish would be for Antrim to beat them in an Ulster final. Now that would be funny! ;D
Unfortunately, it's not gonna happen :-[
Na, would have been funnier to see Daddy spank the two Bradley boys ;)
Would still fancy Derry strongly to beat Antrim, beating Donegal and Cavan doesn't make you a top team.
I do think Antrim will however give Tyrone a better game than Derry did, not that hard really.
Will Saffron Sam 2 now permit Antrim fans to "suck each others cocks" ?
Would love to see you firstly give Tyrone a proper test, would be brilliant to see Antrim win although that looks very hard but stranger things have happened. (Once saw a player score an overhead kick from 30 yards)
Anything for Antrim now is a bonus but fck that sentiment, go out and fight their balls off against Tyrone, can ask no more than that.
Antrim have a better chance of winning the 2009 Anglo-Celt than Armagh, Cavan, Donegal, Down, Derry, Fermanagh or Monaghan.
Antrim will win the mdifield battle easily. Tyrone midfield still shite.
Antrim will continually draw fouls from the Tyrone backs by running at them. McMeniman and co dont like it up 'em. Paddy Cunningham will convert those frees.
Stephen O'Neill will cause the Antrim back line a problem, but they can snuff him out in the same way they did on Seanie, and McFadden.
Red card for Jordan.
Antrim 2-11 Tyrone 0-16
No way will any McMahon be marking Paddy Cunningham.
I'd be nervous on the spare man too. Wexford got crucified for it last year against Tyrone.
McMahon and Gormley would end up marking Burke and McCann and Quinn on Cunningham. Then one of those two wing back boys spare.
I thought we would potentially have beat Cavan by more if we'd went man to man...
Unlikely a winning habit will be changed though and based on this far none of us can question anything beign done!
The great thing for Antrim is that there will be zero pressure. Well, I suppose in the back of their minds is the pressure of not getting stuffed. But this Antrim side have a good few winners in their midst, be it Ulster Club medalists or Sigersons.
It's hard to know what Baker will do. Play conservatively or go for the knackers and just run at them. What impressed yesterday was the speed of handpassing out of defence and the ability of their forward line to win primary possession. McKeever fielded the ball as good as anyone in this year's championship. Aodhan Gallagher has become a footballer all of a sudden. The McCanns don't seem to do much wrong either and we're due a titanic Cunningham (or Cunnigham according to BBC) free-taking performance.
You just never know what will happen. I hope that with 15 mins left, Antrim have their tails up and are pinning Tyrone with the ole gay abandon. Bought the son an Antrim rig before the game yesterday.
If Antrim play the way they did last night then I don't see any reason why they can't give Tyrone a run for their money. No cute hoorism about it either, I mean it. Antrim have nothing to lose, their midfield is immensely better than Tyrone's, distribution was good for them yesterday though shooting on the whole was poor from the number of wides they had. With a bit of luck Antrim could take Tyrone. They will definitely not be a pushover, they will be running at the Tyrone defences. Looking forward to it now
To beat Tyrone I'd expect Antrim will need to score a couple of goals.
As we saw in the Derry game they have dangerous players throughout their team so keeping 2/3 of their main men quiet isn't enough.
I'd personally go man for man at the start.
As well as Antrim have been going they would need to raise the scoring averages, 1-10 and 0-13 (after long spells of dominance) wouldn't be good enough against Tyrone
Big McLean on O'Neill?
we are in dreamland!
Quotetheir midfield is immensely better than Tyrone's,
and how do you work that one out??
Kevin Hughes.2003 AIF MoM
Enda McGinley 2008...all star MF
versus........................................................
McKeever is 6' 7" and he can jump. Antrim need to stop Tyrone playing the short kick-outs.
Even as an Armagh man, I'm more excited by this year's final than last years.
Agreed Tyroneman. Tyrones midfield is frequently heralded as being poor, which is balls.
As for the final, the result is a foregone conclusion. I can see it being close enough though, 5/6 points. I believe Tyrone will be complacent, no matter whats said by Harte or others, and this coupled with Antrim just going for it could leave the game closer than expected. On the otherhand I hope I am wrong and Tyrone treat Antrim like a Kerry or Derry and go for the jugular, and that Antrim freeze a la Fermanagh 2003. Antrim have done well reaching the final but in reality they have beat a poor Donegal side and Cavan.
i think this could be a similar game to the 2007 ulster final against monaghan. tyrone will build up a 7 or 8 point lead early on. complacency will then set in and by the end we could be hanging on.
One of the thing's about midfield when you're playing Tyrone though is you're not playing 2 v 2.
If Mckeever gets the ball I'd expect him to get swarmed.
Who knows how we should play them. Nothing to lose though so we should maybe just go for it.
Antrim will get stage fright :o Tyrone will be in cruise control and win by 8 or 10 points at least. The reality is Antrim have beat the worst Donegal side I have ever seen and Cavan were very poor as well. To be honest the standard of Ulster football is at its worst in my living memory. Tyrone are going to be Ulster Champions without getting out of 3rd gear :-\ This will do them no favours in their quest for 2 in a row.
Its great to see Antrim in the Ulster Final and I'd say they have built up a head of steam now and a lot of self belief.
Realistically though I don't believe they are capable of coming anywhere close to this Tyrone team who like we've all said before have beaten the two main threats in Ulster this year in 2nd or 3rd gear. Tyrone are much too professional these days with the execution of their gameplan and we've already shown that our FF line can play poorly in 2 successive games and still win at a canter.
I know I sound over confident and anything can happen in a final but having watched Mayo hammer the Rossies, Kildare hammer Laois & the Dubs annihilate Westmeath who were not a bad team last year then I'd expect Tyrone do not be taking the foot of the gas for this one and to blow them away at least 1st half and then maybe make a few subsitutions second half.
Mickey will know that if you give any time hope they can harm you so he will want to be out of sight before half time.
Have we any further injuries after the weekend?
Are county men playing with their clubs again?
I'm beginning to think Antrim could win this one.
Think about it. Derry, Donegal and Fermanagh have tried to stop the stranglehold Armagh and Tyrone have on Ulster. Mean whilst, everyone has forgotten the Saffron county. It's written in the star, that they will be the ones!
dream on son!! ::)
OK you've convinced me Ziggy
The future in Yellow.
Hope they don't have Hurleys with them on 19th July
QuoteThink about it. Derry, Donegal and Fermanagh have tried to stop the stranglehold Armagh and Tyrone have on Ulster. Mean whilst, everyone has forgotten the Saffron county. It's written in the star, that they will be the ones!
It take it that would be the Lisburn Star then?
Quote from: ziggysego on June 29, 2009, 11:16:14 AM
. It's written in the star, that they will be the ones!
The Daily Star or the Irish Star? Is it an exclusive??
I'm going for Antrim win. simple really when you think about it. at this moment Baker Bradley and his backroom staff are brining in Mexicans (with swine flu) to go to the local clubs and bars and mingle with the top players.
after a few tequila's and some Fajitas the players will be coughing and sneezing.
i'm going for 1-15 2-13 win for Antrim
Tyrone will build an early lead but Antrim will stick with them till late on and a Kevin Niblock goal late on will secure Antrim's first win in 50 years
First and foremost this game should be in casement if we are in any way serious about promoting the game in Belfast. Secondly it will be a close run thing, I have rarely seen a one sided Ulster final. Antrim have unlocked Downegal ;) and now Cavan, can they figure out Tyrone. Regardless of anything , how great is it to see the saffron back at the top table. Should be a cracker.
Is this the most sided ulster final ever (from a bookies perspective?)
I cant think of another time when the reigning all ireland champions have played the team least likey to make the final at the start of the campaign.
Quote from: rrhf on June 29, 2009, 02:16:16 PM
Antrim have unlocked Down and now Cavan, can they figure out Tyrone.
Even better, they've unlocked Donegal. :P
Chat of a one-sided final is indeed ridiculous, and I'm glad Antrim won the game convincingly, should knock some complacency out of our boys.
Underhand tactics have started already though - I know a Tyrone supporter who was out in Belfast on Sat night with some of the Antrim team and held an after-hours session at his house on the Malone Road to try to get them to do a Donegal. I now expect Enda McGinley to come down with some type of awful food poisoning in the days leading up to the match, given his connections to the Antrim team.
I think Hub's going to score 3-9.
Young Mc Gourtys must be sick.
Quote from: rrhf on June 29, 2009, 03:03:29 PM
Young Mc Gourtys must be sick.
Sure CJ has an Ulster Title now with the hurlers - bound to keep him happy :P
Prob give Baker a ring on the sat night before the Ulster Final and tell him a few home truths.
I wonder do him and Saffron Sam read the same newspapers. Clever pair.
Quote from: rrhf on June 29, 2009, 03:10:21 PM
I wonder do him and Saffron Sam read the same newspapers. Clever pair.
Maybe we've uncovered the identity of Saffron Sam ;)
Wonder what odds Antrim will be, probably 6/1 or thereabouts.
Ladbrokes
Tyrone 1/16
Antrim 15/2
CJ wasnt on for the hurlers yday. I sometimes dont understand betting if tyrone are 1-16 surely Antrim should be 16-1 in a two horse race?
Quote from: longball on June 29, 2009, 03:53:09 PM
CJ wasnt on for the hurlers yday. I sometimes dont understand betting if tyrone are 1-16 surely Antrim should be 16-1 in a two horse race?
Have you ever seen a poor bookmaker? The difference between what a team "should be (in this case 16/1 as you point out) and what they are is basically the margin that the bookie is keeping for himself.
Quote from: longball on June 29, 2009, 03:53:09 PM
CJ wasnt on for the hurlers yday. I sometimes dont understand betting if tyrone are 1-16 surely Antrim should be 16-1 in a two horse race?
Think CJ was on the bench yesterday. Our Nail Loney is yer man to explain how odds are set!
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on June 29, 2009, 03:50:47 PM
Ladbrokes
Tyrone 1/16
Antrim 15/2
Antrim to win this one, Tyrone players to enter the back-door competition with pockets full after a Yellow Sam-esque betting coup!
Here's Gerry Adams' take on it from his blog:
THE LONG ROAD TO CLONES.
Aaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!! What joy! What sheer unadulterated totally wonderful bloody joy! What a game! What a team! What a victory. I saw it in the Fiddlers Green Pub in San Francisco just before our big Unite Ireland Forum. Me and Mairtín óg and Benny and Richard. At 11 0 clock in the morning. We were joined by Paul and Seamus from Tir Éoghan. They comported themselves with the grace of princely Gaels. All Ireland champions. And they didn't mind who knew it.
Seamus is a good hearted young man from Coalisland. Paul a much older dude from the same parish. Paul told us maybe we would be better going some where else for coffee instead of wasting our time thinking we could beat Cavan. I told him we had our sights on Croke Park in September. Seamus laughed.
I told him the old joke about Peter Canavan. You know the one? From the era before Tyrone were the Champions? When they were like Antrim.
'What's the difference between Peter Canavan and a Falls Road black taxi?'
'A black taxi can only carry six passengers'.
Seamus stopped laughing.
'I see your point.' Said Paul.
'You'll see lots more points in the next seventy minutes' I shot back at him.
We can win, I told myself. This time we can win. Other times in the football we drew the big hitters in Ulster but Cavan was doable. All winners need a wee bit of luck sometimes. Our luck was the luck of the draw. A game against Cavan. A winnable game. I could hardly dare to believe it. But I did. Win. We could win. Antrim could get through to the Ulster Final.
There were two Cavan people at the table behind us. A man and his young son. A couple from Kerry and some Galway folk on high stools at the bar. Me and the Cavan duo wished each other luck. Then the game started.
I can't remember the detail of it. I need to see it again. A hundred times over. We started slowly as I recall. Cavan were more assertive. They had more possession. But their first effort at a score was a wide. That looked promising. Then another few wides and I felt that things could turn out ok. My confidence grew. Even though we were on the defensive.
Then we started to exert ourselves. The rest is a blur. I remember screaming a lot. And shouting advice. To Terry O Neill. And Tom McCann. And Niall McKeever. And Kevin Brady.
At half time Maírtín óg ordered a fry. Bacon, sausages, black and white pudding, soda and potato bread. I ate half of it on him as Paddy Cunningham stroked over a point or two. Seamus ordered a fry as well. I ate most of that on him also as Cavan came back at us in the second half. He didn't seem to mind. I could see he was impressed by the Antrim backs. I was lucky we weren't drinking. A Coalisland man and his drink would not be so easily parted.
'We need to watch out for the soft goal. A sneaky goal wud have us in trouble' I announced to no one in particular but in the hope that the Aontroim defenders were listening.
Paul agreed.
'Five points is nothing in football'.
I could have done without that observation, true and all as it might be.
How many times were we here before? Ahead. Playing like demons. Then our focus goes, our coherency disappears, we stutter and stop playing as a team. We get overwhelmed. We lose.
'Up Antrim' I screamed. 'C'mon lads. Aontroim abú. Youse can f***ing do it'.
Seamus looked at me disapprovingly. Then Cavan scored the goal.
The Cavan duo behind us applauded like men gone mad.
I never flinched. I was back in the Falls Park playing for Saint Finian's against Saint Galls. I was nine. Saint Galls had just scored a goal. I was left half back. Seán Loughran's quick kick out found me. I went off on a long penetrating solo run before sending a perfect soaring ball forward. Failey Magee fielded it perfectly. He got a point. The winning point. The next day in the back row of Brother Christopher's class me and Seán Loughran discussed how we would win two All Irelands for Antrim. For hurling as well as football.
So Cavan's goal didn't rattle me. But I had fifty one years of almost being an All Star to re assure me. Minnie Mo who texted me every five minutes from Clones broke. She couldn't watch the rest. And all the while Saint Finians Under Tens were alive and well and running at the Cavan defenders like deer. And then Paddy Cunningham gave us another point.
Two minutes into injury time and all Cavan needed was another goal. But I never gave up hope. My heart stopped a few times but the sight of our team playing like dervishes revived me. At least seven times. And then the ref blew it up.
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
I phoned our Gearóid at Clones. On the mobile. He was jubilant. I was crying.
'Youse have no chance against us' Seamus declared as we left the Fiddlers Green.
But I could see he was shook.
'See you in Clones Seamus' I said.
'Once every thirty nine years isn't bad' he retorted.
'There was a war in between' I reminded him.
'You can't fight a war and play football' Richard cut in.
And he should know.
'Remember the black taxi' I said ' I love Tír Éoghan but.......'
'I know' said Paul. 'It's all on the day.'
Paul is right. Which is strange in itself. But I have to agree.
As David told Goliath, anything can happen on the day.
Aontroim - Ulster Hurling Champions.
Aontroim - Ulster Football Champions.
See you in Clones.
Quote from: longball on June 29, 2009, 03:53:09 PM
CJ wasnt on for the hurlers yday. I sometimes dont understand betting if tyrone are 1-16 surely Antrim should be 16-1 in a two horse race?
You need to factor in the price of the draw as well longball
Though this could be the outright one??
Whatever market, a bookie sets the odds and then adds on a percentage to the prices where they make their profits...
A fair book would be 100% but most odds set would add up to 130% (the 30% being the profit the bookie makes if all horses are backed)
Take whatever Antrim are plus in the handicap, you know rightly the Tyrone panel will have it backed to the hilt!!
Explained better here:
QuoteThe book percentage (or "overround") is defined by the Racing Post as the "sum of the quoted probabilities across all horses in a race". The bookmakers assign each horse a probability of winning, represented by its odds. The percentage of the "book" represented by particular odds can be calculated by adding one to the odds and dividing the resultant figure into 100. For example:
Evens: 100 / (1+1) = 50%
2/1: 100 / (2+1) = 33.33%
3/1: 100 / (3+1) = 25%
4/1: 100 / (4+1) = 20%, etc.
Simplistically, the overround is indicates the bookmaker's profitability on a race. If an overround is 125%, then the bookmaker can expect to make a profit of 20% (25/125). However, this profit percentage is dependent on each horse being laid for an amount proportional to their contribution to the total book. For the sake of clarity and simplicity, suppose there is a 5-horse race, in which each competitor has an equal winning chance. In a "fair" market, each would be priced at 4/1, so a bookmaker taking bets of £20 on each horse would have a perfectly matched book. Regardless of the result, he has taken £100 on the race and must pay out £100 on the winner, so cannot lose. However, neither can he win.
In a real racing scenario, it is far more likely that the prices are likely to be, say, 6/4, 2/1, 3/1, 4/1and 7/1. In this case, if the bookie takes bets equal to each horse's contribution to the book percentage, he would like to accept bets of £40 on the 6/4 favourite, £33.33 on the 2/1 chance, £25 at 3/1, £20 at 4/1 and £12.50 at 7/1. In this case, the book overround is 130.83%. The layer's maximum liability is still £100, but has generated turnover of £130.83.A cursory examination appears to indicate that making money from laying horses is a straightforward process. Unfortunately, this is not the case.
As can be seen, the overround concept depends on a perfectly evenly matched book. In reality, this evenness of match is never achieved and the reported "overround" is very often a poor indication of the state of the betting market.
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on June 29, 2009, 03:50:47 PM
Ladbrokes
Tyrone 1/16
Antrim 15/2
What to hell would Ladbrokes know did they not sponsor Derry?
I'm sure Antrim will put up a great fight but Tyrone will prevail in the end.
Can we assume Antrim will have 31 counties support in the final?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 29, 2009, 05:49:29 PM
Can we assume Antrim will have 31 counties support in the final?
Id say so. You for going Our Nail saying as Down are in the minor final?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 29, 2009, 05:49:29 PM
Can we assume Antrim will have 31 counties support in the final?
Bar those who'll have money on Tyrone presumably!
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 29, 2009, 05:49:29 PM
Can we assume Antrim will have 31 counties support in the final?
I had thought this, until my Dublin friend told me he was supporting Tyrone.
When asked why, he said because it kept us in the other side of the draw and he wanted to avoid us.
I'd imagine there are others with the same idea.
Of course, if this was a straight knockout at this stage, then yes, there would be 31 counties supporting Antrim.
Quote from: tyroneman on June 29, 2009, 12:16:54 AM
Quotetheir midfield is immensely better than Tyrone's,
and how do you work that one out??
Kevin Hughes.2003 AIF MoM
Enda McGinley 2008...all star MF
versus........................................................
with the exception of the derry win i hadn't seen hughes catch anything all year, or very little. MH may have a gameplan for a player who catches every ball coming into the middle anywhere close to him coz he will need it after seeing the no. 11 for Saffrons, he caught every ball coming in to him.
Other thing I noticed about Antrim i had forgotten to mention... they can tackle like the best of them.
Complacent Tyronies beware.
Quote from: hatchetfield on June 29, 2009, 04:38:28 PM
And the bould CJ didn't even stay to celebrate. He was out the gates quicker than i was.
what a loser :D
What province is in the same half of the QF draw with Ulster the year?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 30, 2009, 12:02:48 AM
What province is in the same half of the QF draw with Ulster the year?
Munster
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 30, 2009, 12:02:48 AM
What province is in the same half of the QF draw with Ulster the year?
QF is open draw, Semi Finals is Ulster v Munster and Leinster v Connacht
QuoteQF is open draw, Semi Finals is Ulster v Munster and Leinster v Connacht
If Kerry end up on the Ulster/Munster side of the draw, then there is a good chance of the Dubs making a final, they might well manage to beat Galway/Mayo or most of the other teams coming through the qualifiers.
Quote from: tyrone86 on June 30, 2009, 12:08:35 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 30, 2009, 12:02:48 AM
What province is in the same half of the QF draw with Ulster the year?
QF is open draw, Semi Finals is Ulster v Munster and Leinster v Connacht
Sorry that's waht I meant.
Assuming Tyrone, Kerry Cork and Armagh keep winning, Tyrone will play Kerry in the quarter finals, The winners of Armagh /Derry will play Cork and The winners of each will play in the semifinal. A leinster team will make the all ireland final this year and Im not saying who this might be...
I didn't think the draw was made yet.
http://www.gaa.ie/page/gaa_football_championship_2009.html (http://www.gaa.ie/page/gaa_football_championship_2009.html)
Quote from: clarshack on June 30, 2009, 10:12:20 AM
if tyrone win (ulsetr final) and limerick lose (muntser final) and then if limerick won their subsequent qualifier game would tyrone and limerick not play each other in the 1/4 final?
No. Provincial winners go into draw to be drawn out against 4 remaining qualifiers. If Tyrone win, they could meet any of remaining 4 qualifers.
23.08.2009 (Sun)
All Ireland Semi Final
*Mumha v *Uladh
30.08.2009 (Sun)
All Ireland Semi Final
*Laighin v *Connacht
* The Provincial Champions or a team that defeats them
Paddy Power has the handicaps up already:
Antrim +8 1/1
Tyrone -8 10/11
79 seated tickets per Tyrone club including family tickets; tickets £20 seated (£4 Child) /£13 Terrace
Oh dear. Request from our club was for 272 tickers. :o
10,000 were allocated to each county.
well thats it, I'll not be at the match. my wife has booked a Spa weekend to the Raddison Limavady with friends (i hope) that weekend. wont be back till after 2/3pm. i could go if i tried but i feel my presence at the game would scud our chances. having not attended any Championship games so far i believe staying in the house with my kids would help Antrim a lot better than running around Clones half gargled :P
Less of that nonsense!! Go and enjoy yourself. It's been 39 years since Antrim were last in an Ulster football final, and you never know when they could be back again.
anyone know if there will be tickets available through ticketmaster?
I read somewhere (Irish News maybe) that there would be a small number available through ticketmaster.
I checked there, said they wern't available at the minute and that they would be on sale to he general public at 10am this morning.
Tyrone by 8.
Hard to believe Antrim need one win from two games to reach an AI Quarter Final
Quote from: Mhic Easmuint on July 02, 2009, 06:42:54 PM
Oh dear. Request from our club was for 272 tickers. :o
Don't think you will have any problem getting that amount. The county get 10,000 and there are alot of NA clubs that will be asking for little or no tickets.
Great to see that level of interest :), although Portglenone always seem to be well represented at Antrim games, I assume that is a big increase in average turnout.
shocking that we are only on page 9 for the Ulster Final. had it been anyother County in the final against Tyrone then there would have been 200 pages at least!!! either there's no point talking about it because Tyrone are going to win (by the way they would beat the others teams) or they are running scared (the Tyrone posters)
Im genmuinely worried about this one, Antrim are taking scalps and will test Tyrone, so much so that I have a feeling it will take a late 50 year Iggy Gallagher point to draw it and the replay though will be a different experience withTyrone hitting them in and over at ease.
Tickets available on ticketmaster now.
Sorry Milltown we're all running scared and don't want to build ourselves up in case we might meet ye again later after the quarterfinals
For those of us not to up on the Saffron Army can you give us a run down on who's who and what is their strengths and weakesses.
What do you think Baker Bradley has brought to the table that other managers couldn't deliver.
Do you think Tyrone will play a sweeper again in front of Mr Bradley or will Harte take him out early on?
Is the thinking in Tyrone that Sean O'Neill has played himself into the half forward line to replace either Joey or Mugsy.
Will Brian McGuigan or McCullagh get a starting berth?
Can we expect to see loads of druken Belfast teenagers in Clones in 2 weeks time to take over from the Buckfast Brigade?
will make a change from all the drunken Tyronnies wrecking the Holylands every week ;D
I think it's quiet for a number of reasons:
1. The game is over a fortnight away
2. Tyrone have no significant major injury worries or absentees
3. The same rivalry doesn't exist between Tyrone and Antrim as exists between Tyrone and other Ulster counties
4. No recent history between the teams to provide discussion points about who will pick up who, who got roasted the last time etc
5. Overall Tyronies can offer no excuses why they shouldn't win and we're keeping our heads down and praying to god that we do win.
6. Antrim fans aren't as provocative as their Derry/Down/Armagh neighbours.
From what I saw last Saturday, Antrim play a much more traditional setup - the defenders more or less stayed in defence. How will the half backs cope with Tyrone half forwards who are often found down inside their own 21? Man-mark them?
There were plenty of drunk Antrim supporters (and not just teenagers) on Sat around Clones but not a spot of bother.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on July 03, 2009, 01:52:54 PM
Tickets available on ticketmaster now.
Does this mean that clubs will have been informed of their allocation? If I thought I wasn't guaranteed club tickets I would buy a couple from ticketmaster before they sell out.
Quote from: Larry Duff on July 03, 2009, 03:26:50 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on July 03, 2009, 01:52:54 PM
Tickets available on ticketmaster now.
Does this mean that clubs will have been informed of their allocation? If I thought I wasn't guaranteed club tickets I would buy a couple from ticketmaster before they sell out.
There will be plenty of tickets floating about for the final.
Quote from: Rois on July 03, 2009, 03:09:47 PM
I think it's quiet for a number of reasons:
1. The game is over a fortnight away
2. Tyrone have no significant major injury worries or absentees
3. The same rivalry doesn't exist between Tyrone and Antrim as exists between Tyrone and other Ulster counties
4. No recent history between the teams to provide discussion points about who will pick up who, who got roasted the last time etc
5. Overall Tyronies can offer no excuses why they shouldn't win and we're keeping our heads down and praying to god that we do win.
6. Antrim fans aren't as provocative as their Derry/Down/Armagh neighbours.
From what I saw last Saturday, Antrim play a much more traditional setup - the defenders more or less stayed in defence. How will the half backs cope with Tyrone half forwards who are often found down inside their own 21? Man-mark them?
There were plenty of drunk Antrim supporters (and not just teenagers) on Sat around Clones but not a spot of bother.
I think Antrim will change their personal around a bit maybe bring one player in. Antrim won't be lacking in confidence either. By all accounts Conway has done a marvellous job and the training is of a high standard and no two sessions are ever the same, a freshness that gives the players a lift at training. Everyone has responded well to the professional manner needed to succeed and the players have bought into it.
A lot of the players have played at the highest level be it Schools College and club finals so they seemed to be unfazed.
my biggest worry is they will become a bit stage shocked, I can remember the last time Antrim played Tyrone at Casement and Tyrone played in 2nd gear and pulled up winners by7/8 points
I think Dooher (should he play) will be followed over the pitch by his marker. Antrim have scoring defenders and if they are in scoring positions then they will have a pop at the goals
Quote from: milltown row on July 03, 2009, 03:34:58 PM
Antrim have scoring defenders and if they are in scoring positions then they will have a pop at the goals
Whilst a few defenders may have gotten on the score sheet, I thought they appeared a bit reluctant to track up the pitch when they had the opportunity. May not have been so obvious on tv.
Was the last championship meeting the one in Casement in 2003 when Cavlan played well? Antrim looked impressive in patches against Donegal and throughout the Cavan game, but as has been previously mentioned Donegal are in disarray and Cavan were/are a shambles. I have been impressed with Antrims intensity and fitness, but I can't see them racking up a big score against Tyrone as the majority of the forwards don't possess enough class to score freely from play. I think Tyrone will either win this at a canter and hit a big scoreline similar to the 2003 match against Fermanagh. The last time Tyrone were in a similar situation was the 2007 final (although Monaghan were maybe not as much of a long shot) when Tyrone coasted through the game to get caught by being complacent, hopefully this year Tyrone won't be complacent, but it might be a subconcious thing which is harder to remove.
We'll fcuk it into them.
Tyrone 4-14
Antrim 0-9
What is the record margin for an Ulster final? Armagh's long overdue kicking of Down in 99 and their pride before a fall triumph over Donegal were good scores, as was Tyrone's in the 2003 replay, but these are not quite record territory.
That Tyrone victory over Down, 0-23 to 1-5 (15 pts), was the biggest since 1959 when Down bate Cavan 2-16 to 0-7 (15 pts).
Cavan beat Fermanagh in the 1945 by 15 points as well (4-10 to 1-4).
1942 Cavan beat Down 5-11 to 1-3 (20 pts)
1933 Cavan beat Tyrone 6-13 to 1-2 (26 pts)
1923 Cavan beat Monaghan 5-10 to 1-1 (21 pts)
1919 Cavan beat Antrim 5-6 to 0-2 (19 pts)
Quote from: ONeill on July 03, 2009, 07:49:55 PM
That Tyrone victory over Down, 0-23 to 1-5 (15 pts), was the biggest since 1959 when Down bate Cavan 2-16 to 0-7 (15 pts).
Cavan beat Fermanagh in the 1945 by 15 points as well (4-10 to 1-4).
1942 Cavan beat Down 5-11 to 1-3 (20 pts)
1933 Cavan beat Tyrone 6-13 to 1-2 (26 pts)
1923 Cavan beat Monaghan 5-10 to 1-1 (21 pts)
1919 Cavan beat Antrim 5-6 to 0-2 (19 PTA)
That Cavan result still hurts, come on lads do it for '33!
That's the spirit.
I've had enough of the niceties. We're the All-Ireland Champions at full strength playing Antrim in Clones in mid-July. We've seen off Armagh and Derry whilst Antrim struggled by Donegal and defeated Cavan.
Fcuk it. We should be hammering these lads off the field. Div 1 v Div 4. Call it as it is - this game should be comfortable after a spirited Antrim opening, I'd imagine 8-10 point victory.
What I'd love is for Tyrone to play well but Antrim to play out of their skins. It's in the Antrim pysche to do that. You see it in St Galls and I think that confident mentality has been tapped into by Baker. We're as good as them approach. It'd be great to see Antrim pin Tyrone down with a swashbuckling defensive game and Cunningham on fire. Tyrone one ahead with 10 left. That'd be good prep for the quarters.
However, I think Stephen O'Neill has a massive game in him. He has been well shackled by Mallon and Lockhart and needs let out of the cage.
The Ulster final...the biggest non event for a long long time.
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on July 03, 2009, 10:51:45 PM
The Ulster final...the biggest non event for a long long time.
Now, now Max, you won't get your toys back unless you promise you won't throw them out again :D
Well sure if it's a non-event Max it'll just be like the Derry - Tyrone semi-final not so long ago. :-*
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on July 03, 2009, 10:51:45 PM
The Ulster final...the biggest non event for a long long time.
here was another supposed 'biggest non event'
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41063000/jpg/_41063368_stgalls203.jpg)
enjoyed the fact that we played in Saffron that day ;D ;D
Lads don't take it personally, you have got to be totally realistic. It would be great to see Antrim win, brilliant infact, but FFS your playing the All Ireland champs, who have all thier players fit for the first time since 05. A Division 3 team playing All ireland champs, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure this one out.
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on July 04, 2009, 04:54:31 PM
Lads don't take it personally, you have got to be totally realistic. It would be great to see Antrim win, brilliant infact, but FFS your playing the All Ireland champs, who have all thier players fit for the first time since 05. A Division 3 team playing All ireland champs, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure this one out.
But why does that necessarily make it a non-event? That just makes you sound churlish :(
Plenty of people will be interested in this match whatever the result and should,
should Antrim somehow win, it will be the event of the millenium! Regardless, it couldn't be any more of a non-event than the National League runners up provided ;)
Aontroim Abu!
some good teams to be knocked out in the next round of the qualifiers and a couple of teams that Antrim can beat left (Wicklow and Cavan) with a bit of luck Antrim will be playing senior Championship football in Croke Park and unlike last year they wont be playing at 12 o clock. possibly top billing and live on telly.
Antrim to get to the quarter finals. what price that at the start of the year????
Right let's get this going..
Fcuk yous, yous culchy b**tards...I can smell the dung from here! Please don't clog up the road with your tractors. And leave all those f**king "weemin" who know f**k all about any sport at home tending the sheep
Only Joe McMahon an injury concern ahead of the Ulster final according to today's IN. Rib injuries tend to take time to heal so I can't see the big man lining out. Dooher will be the obvious replacement. So all county men safely through Friday night's championship games and the league games over the weekend. I read Ronan McGarrity got his cheekbone smashed up in a Mayo club game, massive loss for them. Thankfully, things in Tyrone are going well regarding the lack of injuries. Touch wood this continues to be the case.
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on July 06, 2009, 02:08:02 PM
Right let's get this going..
Fcuk yous, yous culchy b**tards...I can smell the dung from here! Please don't clog up the road with your tractors.
Can I remind you that a third of your team is from Cargin...
Quote from: Rois on July 06, 2009, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on July 06, 2009, 02:08:02 PM
Right let's get this going..
Fcuk yous, yous culchy b**tards...I can smell the dung from here! Please don't clog up the road with your tractors.
Can I remind you that a third of your team is from Cargin...
Aye but they've all passed the pre-qualification intelligence test...McMenamin got an F apparently. What role do you think the GPA loving diver will play in the final?
And how come the quotes are appearing like that?
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on July 06, 2009, 02:16:40 PM
And how come the quotes are appearing like that?
Because you and Rois typed inside the closing "[/quote]" tag?
Didn't think I did...maybe I got over excited ;)
OK since out and out abuse hasn't revived the thread I'll try some analysis.
There's one main reason I don't think Antrim can win this match. So far we have scored 1-10 against a complacent Donegal and 0-13 against an average Cavan side. OK had we been a bit sharper in front of the posts we might have scored 0-16 or so but even so I don't think even 0-16 (or 2-10 etc) will be enough to beat Tyrone. I think we'll do well to get a dozen points against Tyrone and reckon that should leave us 5 or 6 short. Also Tyrone seem hell bent on winning Ulster this year no matter who they are playing.
For Antrim it'll be the same tactics as the previous two games. Keep it tight in the first half, take your scoring opportunities, still be in touch after 50 mins and then see what happens.
On the plus side for Antrim as I've said before our half back line is turning into a pretty tasty unit and don't be surprised to see us do well at midfield where Gallagher and McKeever have been impressive. Also Paddy Cunningham has yet to sizzle from play...could the final be his opportunity??
And finally didn't Offaly win Leinster from Div 4 about 10-12 years ago...beating the reigning All Ireland Champions??
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on July 06, 2009, 03:34:49 PM
OK since out and out abuse hasn't revived the thread I'll try some analysis.
There's one main reason I don't think Antrim can win this match. So far we have scored 1-10 against a complacent Donegal and 0-13 against an average Cavan side. OK had we been a bit sharper in front of the posts we might have scored 0-16 or so but even so I don't think even 0-16 (or 2-10 etc) will be enough to beat Tyrone. I think we'll do well to get a dozen points against Tyrone and reckon that should leave us 5 or 6 short. Also Tyrone seem hell bent on winning Ulster this year no matter who they are playing.
For Antrim it'll be the same tactics as the previous two games. Keep it tight in the first half, take your scoring opportunities, still be in touch after 50 mins and then see what happens.
On the plus side for Antrim as I've said before our half back line is turining into a pretty tasty unit and don't be surprised to see us do well at midfield where Gallagher and McKeever have been impressive. Also Paddy Cunningham has yet to sizzle from play...could the final be his opportunity??
And finally didn't Offally win Leinster from Div 4 about 10-12 years ago...beat Meath in a replay??
I'm telling you Antrim 3-6 Tyrone 1-11!! They'll need a bit of luck, but it's coming ;)
(Cunningham, McCann and Close will each poach goals, Tyrone will get a soft penalty)
Limerick were relegated to Div 4 this year and were a kick of the ball (and a referee's call) from beating a Cork team who were oustanding in their recent matches and many people's favourite for the AI. Tyrone haven't really been tested yet.
Great to be in an Ulster Final when our neighbours in Armagh and Derry are all falling out with each other. Great time to be a Tyrone fan. ;D ;D
Aontroim Abú
Shamless bump to get this thread back on the first page! It would appear that the Antrim clubs will receive all the tickets they requested as there is now a general sale note on the county website.
My poor deluded sister-in-law reckons that Antrim will walk all over Tyrone ::)
cant see Antrim scoring more than 10 points against the Tyrone defence, they definitely wont get the time and space they got against Donegal and Cavan
Tyrone will post up between 15 -20 points. Antrim dont have enough good players to stop the Tyrone half backs, half forwards and full forwards from attacking.
Joe McMahon looks like he is out so u'd imagine tyrone team will be
Devine
Ricey
Justin
Quinn
Harte
Gormley
Jordan
Hub
McGinley
Dooher
Tommy
Penfold
O'Neill
Cavanagh
Mulligan
Press night:
A breath of fresh air is now running the length and breadth of Antrim, bringing old and new Gaels out of the woodwork everywhere; this is good – real good; in fact this is great and so long awaited. There are saffron jerseys appearing everywhere and villages bedecked with Antrim flags; it truly is a sight to behold. What is remarkable is that this has come almost out of the blue – almost!
For six long months a Panel Antrim Senior Footballers have undergone a rigorous and punishing schedule of tough training and they willingly accepted a strict code of hard discipline. Not all survived but those who did have already distinguished themselves beyond all expectations. This has to be one of the most remarkable turn arounds in Gaa history.
Truth told, few believed it possible but without belief this transformation could not have been achieved. There are so many lessons here that it is difficult to even begin to articulate them. Those who came in numbers to Creggan Kickams last night, to watch the Panel work out and meet with the players could only have been impressed. Arguably they watched the most motivated, fit and focused Senior Gaa Panel in Ulster at this point in time.
What happens on the 19th of July is yet to come and cannot be known. What can be known and is of great significance is the fact that Antrim have now created a 'brand' of football that is second to none. They have shape, they have speed, they have skill and they have hunger and tenacity. Most of all perhaps, to their credit they have great team discipline. As each competitive match takes its course they quietly grow in confidence and once again that is not to be confused with arrogance.
The Press were there in their numbers last night and rightly so. This is a new and very refreshing success story within Gaa. The grey days of being the butt of joke and ridicule are not far behind but they are well buried under a mound of good news and a truly remarkable transformation. The focus is at last accentuated on the positive and this in itself serves to motivate. As a general rule nothing comes from negativity but further gloom and predictable misery for all. Life is too short to waste on unforced misery. Look for the positive and it can and will be found in almost all situations.
As for the ensuing encounter with Tyrone, these lads are well prepared. Both Antrim and Tyrone now have strong points in their armour. The difference on the day could boil down to resolve and resilience. Tyrone will not want to be humiliated and that may be taken as a given, whilst Antrim lads are still coming good and growing in stature with the experience of each tough match. Tyrone however has been there and it is hard to maintain the intense focus to stay on top.
Again, such is the beauty of GAA that there is always a space to insert a wedge and apply further pressure. Antrim have at last found space to insert a new and sharper wedge; in doing so they have driven back both Donegal and Cavan, making more space for further growth. Can Tyrone contain them? At worst they should put Tyrone to the pin of their collar and given half a chance the Antrim lads, all fired up and fit, will yet again upset the apple cart and why not?
This could be one epic battle. What ever the case get out with them and enjoy this moment. Your support uplifts the Antrim lads and will serve to balance the books in Clones, against a county renowned for its Gaa support. Our day has come at last!
Lawrence Smyth
Antrim County PRO.
keep taking the tablets Lawrence
I hope Mickey has invented some way of dealing with this new brand of football!! Not quite sure what it is, and I didn't see anything too revolutionary in Clones over a week ago but hopefully Mickey has had the scouts out.
In truth in the rumours that the Tyrone Minors are starting this game?
you Tyrone boys starting to sound a wee bit arrogant just like your Derry friends.
Quote from: glens abu on July 07, 2009, 01:05:53 PM
Press night:
A breath of fresh air is now running the length and breadth of Antrim, bringing old and new Gaels out of the woodwork everywhere; this is good – real good; in fact this is great and so long awaited. There are saffron jerseys appearing everywhere and villages bedecked with Antrim flags; it truly is a sight to behold. What is remarkable is that this has come almost out of the blue – almost!
For six long months a Panel Antrim Senior Footballers have undergone a rigorous and punishing schedule of tough training and they willingly accepted a strict code of hard discipline. Not all survived but those who did have already distinguished themselves beyond all expectations. This has to be one of the most remarkable turn arounds in Gaa history.
Truth told, few believed it possible but without belief this transformation could not have been achieved. There are so many lessons here that it is difficult to even begin to articulate them. Those who came in numbers to Creggan Kickams last night, to watch the Panel work out and meet with the players could only have been impressed. Arguably they watched the most motivated, fit and focused Senior Gaa Panel in Ulster at this point in time.
What happens on the 19th of July is yet to come and cannot be known. What can be known and is of great significance is the fact that Antrim have now created a 'brand' of football that is second to none. They have shape, they have speed, they have skill and they have hunger and tenacity. Most of all perhaps, to their credit they have great team discipline. As each competitive match takes its course they quietly grow in confidence and once again that is not to be confused with arrogance.
The Press were there in their numbers last night and rightly so. This is a new and very refreshing success story within Gaa. The grey days of being the butt of joke and ridicule are not far behind but they are well buried under a mound of good news and a truly remarkable transformation. The focus is at last accentuated on the positive and this in itself serves to motivate. As a general rule nothing comes from negativity but further gloom and predictable misery for all. Life is too short to waste on unforced misery. Look for the positive and it can and will be found in almost all situations.
As for the ensuing encounter with Tyrone, these lads are well prepared. Both Antrim and Tyrone now have strong points in their armour. The difference on the day could boil down to resolve and resilience. Tyrone will not want to be humiliated and that may be taken as a given, whilst Antrim lads are still coming good and growing in stature with the experience of each tough match. Tyrone however has been there and it is hard to maintain the intense focus to stay on top.
Again, such is the beauty of GAA that there is always a space to insert a wedge and apply further pressure. Antrim have at last found space to insert a new and sharper wedge; in doing so they have driven back both Donegal and Cavan, making more space for further growth. Can Tyrone contain them? At worst they should put Tyrone to the pin of their collar and given half a chance the Antrim lads, all fired up and fit, will yet again upset the apple cart and why not?
This could be one epic battle. What ever the case get out with them and enjoy this moment. Your support uplifts the Antrim lads and will serve to balance the books in Clones, against a county renowned for its Gaa support. Our day has come at last!
Lawrence Smyth
Antrim County PRO.
Good stuff, the build up has been low key and here we get a bit of inspired and heartfelt fighting talk. However, I wait in anticipation on the wisdom of Saffron Sam and his thoughts on the upcoming game, which should ameliorate Lawrence's effort.
QuoteIn truth in the rumours that the Tyrone Minors are starting this game?
Why come out with comments like that ziggy?
I'd nearly wish for Antrim to beat us, just so the lads on the board can throw that back at you!
Surely thats not really Antrim's actual PRO writing that piece is it? Has the football world gone mad? Antrim have squeezed past a very poor Donegal team and a beaten a absolutely dire Cavan team. Had they been on the other side of the draw needing to get past Derry, Monagahn, Armagh and Tyrone they wouldnt be sitting in an Ulster final today! That said i am delighted for them and really hope that they can put up a good challenge in the final and then folllow that up with a win that will take them to the all ireland quarters and a day in the sun at croke park - but for godsake talk of creating "a brand of football that is second to none" and them being the most "motivated, fit and focused GAA team in Ulster" is bad enough coming from a normal suppiorter but when it coming from a county board official it just smacks of someone losing control of themselves and putting their team under unnecessary pressure! Surely it would be best to keep a low profile and perhaps catch tyrone on the hop!
Quote from: WeeDonns on July 07, 2009, 02:40:13 PM
QuoteIn truth in the rumours that the Tyrone Minors are starting this game?
Why come out with comments like that ziggy?
I'd nearly wish for Antrim to beat us, just so the lads on the board can throw that back at you!
Ah please, it was only a joke.
If you look back at the Championship prediction, I've been saying all along that Antrim would get to the final. Whilst I don't think they're going to win, I do think they are going to bring make a game of it and run at Tyrone. It'll be a lot tighter than what people are giving Antrim credit for.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2009, 02:40:34 PM
Surely thats not really Antrim's actual PRO writing that piece is it? Has the football world gone mad? Antrim have squeezed past a very poor Donegal team and a beaten a absolutely dire Cavan team. Had they been on the other side of the draw needing to get past Derry, Monagahn, Armagh and Tyrone they wouldnt be sitting in an Ulster final today! That said i am delighted for them and really hope that they can put up a good challenge in the final and then folllow that up with a win that will take them to the all ireland quarters and a day in the sun at croke park - but for godsake talk of creating "a brand of football that is second to none" and them being the most "motivated, fit and focused GAA team in Ulster" is bad enough coming from a normal suppiorter but when it coming from a county board official it just smacks of someone losing control of themselves and putting their team under unnecessary pressure! Surely it would be best to keep a low profile and perhaps catch tyrone on the hop!
well Antrim are now playing Tyrone and yes it is possible that if they had played them in an earlier round they would not be in an Ulster final,but do you really believe they would have struggled against any of the other 3 counties you mentioned cause I don't having watched them so-far this championship they all have been very poor.
Quote from: glens abu on July 07, 2009, 02:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2009, 02:40:34 PM
Surely thats not really Antrim's actual PRO writing that piece is it? Has the football world gone mad? Antrim have squeezed past a very poor Donegal team and a beaten a absolutely dire Cavan team. Had they been on the other side of the draw needing to get past Derry, Monagahn, Armagh and Tyrone they wouldnt be sitting in an Ulster final today! That said i am delighted for them and really hope that they can put up a good challenge in the final and then folllow that up with a win that will take them to the all ireland quarters and a day in the sun at croke park - but for godsake talk of creating "a brand of football that is second to none" and them being the most "motivated, fit and focused GAA team in Ulster" is bad enough coming from a normal suppiorter but when it coming from a county board official it just smacks of someone losing control of themselves and putting their team under unnecessary pressure! Surely it would be best to keep a low profile and perhaps catch tyrone on the hop!
well Antrim are now playing Tyrone and yes it is possible that if they had played them in an earlier round they would not be in an Ulster final,but do you really believe they would have struggled against any of the other 3 counties you mentioned cause I don't having watched them so-far this championship they all have been very poor.
They may or may not have struggled but i would assume that Monaghan or in fact Derry would pose a more difficult threat than that cavan team in he semi final. Dont get me wrong here i'm not having a dig at the antrim team, i'm delighted they are where they are and this will hopefully be the start of a breakthrough fior the county but i think the county's PRO has lost the run of himself suggesting they have revolunutionised football with this new brand that is second to none! I hope its a close final - and Antrim are able to move on and progress in the qualifiers!! Image Lawerences comments if they get to an all ireland semi final???
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2009, 03:04:58 PM
Quote from: glens abu on July 07, 2009, 02:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2009, 02:40:34 PM
Surely thats not really Antrim's actual PRO writing that piece is it? Has the football world gone mad? Antrim have squeezed past a very poor Donegal team and a beaten a absolutely dire Cavan team. Had they been on the other side of the draw needing to get past Derry, Monagahn, Armagh and Tyrone they wouldnt be sitting in an Ulster final today! That said i am delighted for them and really hope that they can put up a good challenge in the final and then folllow that up with a win that will take them to the all ireland quarters and a day in the sun at croke park - but for godsake talk of creating "a brand of football that is second to none" and them being the most "motivated, fit and focused GAA team in Ulster" is bad enough coming from a normal suppiorter but when it coming from a county board official it just smacks of someone losing control of themselves and putting their team under unnecessary pressure! Surely it would be best to keep a low profile and perhaps catch tyrone on the hop!
well Antrim are now playing Tyrone and yes it is possible that if they had played them in an earlier round they would not be in an Ulster final,but do you really believe they would have struggled against any of the other 3 counties you mentioned cause I don't having watched them so-far this championship they all have been very poor.
They may or may not have struggled but i would assume that Monaghan or in fact Derry would pose a more difficult threat than that cavan team in he semi final. Dont get me wrong here i'm not having a dig at the antrim team, i'm delighted they are where they are and this will hopefully be the start of a breakthrough fior the county but i think the county's PRO has lost the run of himself suggesting they have revolunutionised football with this new brand that is second to none! I hope its a close final - and Antrim are able to move on and progress in the qualifiers!! Image Lawerences comments if they get to an all ireland semi final???
;D its all about positive mental attitude----------- or is it just mental
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2009, 03:04:58 PM
Quote from: glens abu on July 07, 2009, 02:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2009, 02:40:34 PM
Surely thats not really Antrim's actual PRO writing that piece is it? Has the football world gone mad? Antrim have squeezed past a very poor Donegal team and a beaten a absolutely dire Cavan team. Had they been on the other side of the draw needing to get past Derry, Monagahn, Armagh and Tyrone they wouldnt be sitting in an Ulster final today! That said i am delighted for them and really hope that they can put up a good challenge in the final and then folllow that up with a win that will take them to the all ireland quarters and a day in the sun at croke park - but for godsake talk of creating "a brand of football that is second to none" and them being the most "motivated, fit and focused GAA team in Ulster" is bad enough coming from a normal suppiorter but when it coming from a county board official it just smacks of someone losing control of themselves and putting their team under unnecessary pressure! Surely it would be best to keep a low profile and perhaps catch tyrone on the hop!
well Antrim are now playing Tyrone and yes it is possible that if they had played them in an earlier round they would not be in an Ulster final,but do you really believe they would have struggled against any of the other 3 counties you mentioned cause I don't having watched them so-far this championship they all have been very poor.
They may or may not have struggled but i would assume that Monaghan or in fact Derry would pose a more difficult threat than that cavan team in he semi final. Dont get me wrong here i'm not having a dig at the antrim team, i'm delighted they are where they are and this will hopefully be the start of a breakthrough fior the county but i think the county's PRO has lost the run of himself suggesting they have revolunutionised football with this new brand that is second to none! I hope its a close final - and Antrim are able to move on and progress in the qualifiers!! Image Lawerences comments if they get to an all ireland semi final???
Benny,
Lawrence is very much in the "glass is half full" camp as any perusal of his statements on the Antrim County Board will attest!
While I am all for a positive spins, the phrase "cruisin' for a bruisin'" springs to mind!
Mind you, if your PRO is not going to talk you up, who is?
Was wondering can Antrim put in a performance like Wexford did last year against Tyrone?
I think if they can come out all guns blazing and really believe in themselves then they can certainly give Tyrone a scare.
As with a lot of teams if they get off to a good start they start believing maybe they can win this game but I fear Antrim will be there own worst enemy.
I think this Tyrone team though can almost cruise through matches like this now and still win comfortably.
A few years back this game could have been a banana skin like Sligo in 2002 or even Meath in 2007.
As Brolly keeps harping on the system of play is so automatic now that you don't know what tactics Tyrone will play.
They've not exactly used their FF line to full effect with Penrose being the outlet for most attacks to go through
I'd say this will change again the next day as Antrim will be watching for that.
Can anyone see any suprise :o starts for Tyrone possibily one of Sean O'Neill, Ryan Mellon, Colm Cavanagh (god no), Colm McCullagh
Quote from: longball on July 07, 2009, 05:07:36 PM
Can anyone see any suprise :o starts for Tyrone possibily one of Sean O'Neill, Ryan Mellon, Colm Cavanagh (god no), Colm McCullagh
I'd say the only change will be dooher in for joey, but if joey is fit I think there'll be an unchanged team named!
Armagh proved they werent great at the weekend, yet they held Tyrone pretty well.
This game will be closer that alot suggest.
Take Antrim +8points
Quote from: WeeDonns on July 07, 2009, 02:40:13 PM
QuoteIn truth in the rumours that the Tyrone Minors are starting this game?
Why come out with comments like that ziggy?
I'd nearly wish for Antrim to beat us, just so the lads on the board can throw that back at you!
id second that. tyrone minors arent that hot anyway :D
Quote from: ziggysego on July 07, 2009, 02:18:34 PM
In truth in the rumours that the Tyrone Minors are starting this game?
zig if your are trying to be sarcastic, then use this :P. Makes your look patronising otherwise
Quote from: glens abu on July 07, 2009, 02:34:25 PM
you Tyrone boys starting to sound a wee bit arrogant just like your Derry friends.
They're no friends of ours
Quote from: fred the red on July 07, 2009, 06:05:47 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 07, 2009, 02:18:34 PM
In truth in the rumours that the Tyrone Minors are starting this game?
zig if your are trying to be sarcastic, then use this :P. Makes your look patronising otherwise
This means ur talking down to someone ziggy.
I'm short, I always look up
Why is Baker called Baker?
Quote from: Orior on July 07, 2009, 09:47:08 PM
Why is Baker called Baker?
He thought 13 was a dozen
Quote from: Orior on July 07, 2009, 09:47:08 PM
Why is Baker called Baker?
sir if you had seen the white coat he used to sport many a year ago you'd know why he was called baker....
Any word on Joe Mc Mahon ??
Quote from: cameltohill on July 07, 2009, 10:23:25 PM
Quote from: Orior on July 07, 2009, 09:47:08 PM
Why is Baker called Baker?
sir if you had seen the white coat he used to sport many a year ago you'd know why he was called baker....
And were you known for your tight shorts?
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My last Black Russian was in The Wild Duck
Quoteid second that. tyrone minors arent that hot anyway
Tyrone minors had a good side this year, some strange management decisions coupled with fortunate refereeing for Armagh halted progress though.
The Wild Duck?? Is that the place Heston Blumenthal owns where they serve frogs legs ice cream ;)
Quote from: ONeill on July 08, 2009, 08:28:23 AM
My last Black Russian was in The Wild Duck
Was she worth it?
I just watched that interview on the BBC website with young Cunningham.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/8123192.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/8123192.stm)
What's with the funny coloured union Jack at the end of the sketch?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 08, 2009, 04:28:21 PM
What's with the funny coloured union Jack at the end of the sketch?
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Quote from: Fuzzman on July 08, 2009, 04:28:21 PM
I just watched that interview on the BBC website with young Cunningham.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/8123192.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/8123192.stm)
What's with the funny coloured union Jack at the end of the sketch?
Glentoran.
Big day for Stevie O'Neill tomorrow. Tee-total anyway so no worries in that regard, am sure he will be raring to go for next Sunday :P
Quote from: ziggysego on July 08, 2009, 04:48:54 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 08, 2009, 04:28:21 PM
I just watched that interview on the BBC website with young Cunningham.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/8123192.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/8123192.stm)
What's with the funny coloured union Jack at the end of the sketch?
Glentoran.
Can't be...The c**k 'n' Hens are from Down ;)
In all seriousness, anyone collecting the tokens in the Irish News to get a fiver off a polo-shirt or jersey?
I bought 6 Irish News' today and will buy six tomorrow. Will purchase 6 polo-shirts and then with the money saved buy another one. Clever, eh? You can never have too many polo-shirts.
Antrim lads - 35 minutes, no offside and you can handle it.
Joking aside, the feeling is rather strange. I've been living in Antrim for a decade now, work there, drink there and steal there. I've been harrassed by an Antrim woman for 15 years. My children are, what do you call young Antrim bairns, Antrimites? My first teaching class included your man-of-the-month. I've a serious soft spot for the county and have gone to see them play McKenna, NFL and SFC games. Right now if Antrim won I think I'd be more than fine with that. However, you don't really know how you'll react when you're faced with it in real time. I'd imagine it'd be rubbed in to an unbearable extent. The embarrassment might develop into some kind of deep resentment and I could end up on a rampage.
Oneill
Going to get 4 papers over the 3 days to get 2 vouchers. That way I can buy meself a Tyrone Polo shirt and the good lady an Antrim one.
Ah O'Neills must be loving the Ulster Final this year - Tyrone are a big seller for them anyway, and everyone in Antrim wants something Antrim-related so no doubt they're out buying in their thousands.
A partner in work here is an Antrim fan - devoted GAA fan (I got him a ticket for the AIF last year - gotta keep on the right side of the boss) and I'm organising a work event for Monday 20th. He says if Antrim win, I'll have to pull him out of any one of a number of pubs in the vicinity of St Theresa's out west. I actually think I'd be happy for him. For a minute or two. And then I'd be gutted. Cause it would question the total faith as I think Mickey and the lads are up for it. If they failed, it would be after a hell of a fight, and that would suggest no September celebrations this year.
Maybe a strange & controversial question but wonder how the Belfast Protestants are taking the whole thing?
Will they be intrigued and glued to BBC next Sunday.
I used to live with a mate up in Rosetta about 4 years ago.
There were UVF flags all over the place.
One Sunday I went with him to the Derry v Armagh match in Casement & as we were getting in the car, one of our neighbours, Sammy, pipes up
"Good luck today lads. You'll need it against Armagh"
I think quite a lot of them enjoy watching it but doubt they'll be flying many yellow (pope) flags.
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Rois,
Do you think Brian is getting over his groin injury and will be able to start soon or can we expect him to only play 20 mins again?
Fuzzman
I expect once they get Orangefest out of the way all the red, white and blue bunting we see about the city will be replaced by Saffron and White. Speaking of which, is the Falls area bedecked in Antrim flags yet?
Fuzzman, by the sounds of it I think he's as fit as he can be, whether it's a seventy minutes fit is debatable. Doing laps in the pool in Riversdale leisure centre with weights attached to him apparently. Personally I'd rather see him come on when he's needed but I'd say he'd not be happy with that.
Off course he'll be ready
This is Brian dooher your talking about ! He makes Chuck Norris look like Brian Dowling.
He played for 60 mins against Strabane last Sunday and had no ill effects, I still think Mickey will keep him as sub as his mantra is always finish with your strongest team.
The more I look at this game, the less areas I can find where Antrim will gain any advantage from. Defensively, they won't have met the likes of O'Neill and Cavanagh. Much has been talked about McLean the full back over the last couple of years - this is his chance to pit his wits against a class act in mid-summer game. In attack, it's not as if they have a towering target man a la Clarke. Cunningham is a fine free-taker but somewhat ponderous on the ball. McCann might prove to be a nippy danger man, no more so than the likes of Bradley though. Midfield perhaps, but Tyrone could lose a high percentage of kick outs and still comfortably control the game.
One thing Antrim do is run directly at the half-back/full back line. How often have we seen Aodhan Gallagher this year steam in a straight line from midfield? Niblock and Loughrey are capable of this too, great speed and strength. Can they wear Tyrone down or prize open gaps by continually bombing forward, perhaps testing any complacency or lack of concentration? On the other hand, how will Antrim cope on the back foot if Jordan and Harte get the room to press? Will Terry O'Neill find that against a side with scoring threats from so many quarters that his job is redundant?
I just cannot see Mickey allowing this side to take the foot off the gas in terms of what his team aims to achieve this year - to retain Sam in six games.
I fancy the draw, Sean cavanagh has way too much on his mind.
QuoteSpeaking of which, is the Falls area bedecked in Antrim flags yet?
there is a bit of saffron&white about the casement area
Any idea how ticket sales are going for this? Will it be a sellout?
Only terrace tickets left on ticketmaster and the club have sold their allocation
I went up to casement last night to get some but the feckers selling them had left, so I have to go back tonight
Quote from: ONeill on July 09, 2009, 11:23:01 AM
The more I look at this game, the less areas I can find where Antrim will gain any advantage from. Defensively, they won't have met the likes of O'Neill and Cavanagh. Much has been talked about McLean the full back over the last couple of years - this is his chance to pit his wits against a class act in mid-summer game. In attack, it's not as if they have a towering target man a la Clarke. Cunningham is a fine free-taker but somewhat ponderous on the ball. McCann might prove to be a nippy danger man, no more so than the likes of Bradley though. Midfield perhaps, but Tyrone could lose a high percentage of kick outs and still comfortably control the game.
One thing Antrim do is run directly at the half-back/full back line. How often have we seen Aodhan Gallagher this year steam in a straight line from midfield? Niblock and Loughrey are capable of this too, great speed and strength. Can they wear Tyrone down or prize open gaps by continually bombing forward, perhaps testing any complacency or lack of concentration? On the other hand, how will Antrim cope on the back foot if Jordan and Harte get the room to press? Will Terry O'Neill find that against a side with scoring threats from so many quarters that his job is redundant?
I just cannot see Mickey allowing this side to take the foot off the gas in terms of what his team aims to achieve this year - to retain Sam in six games.
Spot on here O'Neill...no experience of playing money grabbing divers. How will Antrim cope with Cavanagh's trademark move...no not the sidestep...the rolling around on the ground clutching his face??
Quotemoney grabbing divers
Great non-gpa men these Antrim lads.
Quote from: ONeill on July 09, 2009, 12:00:07 PM
Quotemoney grabbing divers
Great non-gpa men these Antrim lads.
Yes we're all for tradition here so while we're at it outlaw the handpass as well ;) On a serious note I'm a great admirer of Cavanagh as a footballer. I was at the AI last year and thought he was sensational...but is he a bit more "theatrical" this year?
How is he any more theatrical this year than any other year? If you watch last years AIF, just before half time Cavanagh was fouled and then Dara tapped him with the elbow for which he subsequently got booked. But from the incident until the ref got charge Cavanagh was embarassing.
Quote from: tyronebhoy on July 09, 2009, 10:30:23 AM
Fuzzman
I expect once they get Orangefest out of the way all the red, white and blue bunting we see about the city will be replaced by Saffron and White. Speaking of which, is the Falls area bedecked in Antrim flags yet?
just drove up the falls 30 mins ago and very disappointed with the Gaels of Belfast as only a couple of flags bottom of whiterock and some around O'Neills shop in Andytown.I would have thought this was a great opportunity for the local clubs to create a bit of a buzz and get all those kids behind the Saffs instead of them running around in their soccer jerseys.Hope things step up a gear or two this week.
I know from talking to a lot of Antrim Gaels at home that there is a concern about a mass hype about the game. I'd say things will get going next week. Any posters driving around rural Fermanagh next week (why you would do this I have no idea), mine is the only house in the county with an Antrim flag at the top of the lane...feel free to drop in for a beer!
Just after driving up the Falls. Flags outside McEnaneys and the Glenowen, flags at Sean Grahams, and another joint, can't remember the name of it, opposite Beechmount, has gone to town on the bunting. Disappointingly, of the three clubrooms on the roadside, only one has Antrim bunting. The Rossa just looks like a big purple elephant.
Quote from: ONeill on July 09, 2009, 03:11:17 PM
Just after driving up the Falls. Flags outside McEnaneys and the Glenowen, flags at Sean Grahams, and another joint, can't remember the name of it, opposite Beechmount, has gone to town on the bunting. Disappointingly, of the three clubrooms on the roadside, only one has Antrim bunting. The Rossa just looks like a big purple elephant.
Well if the caps fits... ;)
staying in Monaghan town on the Sunday night of the final can anyone recommend any good bars with a bit of music pref trad or folk.
No one here in need of thi guide I suppose, but pass it along, I'm sure you all know a few bang-wagoneers.
http://www.insideireland.ie/index.cfm/Lng/English/section/news/ext/diarmuid09072009/category/905/
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 08, 2009, 09:07:13 AM
Quoteid second that. tyrone minors arent that hot anyway
Tyrone minors had a good side this year, some strange management ::) ::)
Quote from: tyssam5 on July 09, 2009, 07:19:30 PM
No one here in need of thi guide I suppose, but pass it along, I'm sure you all know a few bang-wagoneers.
http://www.insideireland.ie/index.cfm/Lng/English/section/news/ext/diarmuid09072009/category/905/
Enjoyed that:
A guide for Antrim bandwagon jumpersJuly 09 2009
Diarmuid Ó Tuama
Now that Antrim are going so well in the football championship there are plenty in the county who have jumped on the bandwagon. This is common enough practise in other counties but we, that is members of the local GAA, are not used to it.
So being a friendly decent being may I offer the following advice to those who are preparing themselves to join long queues looking for tickets and to get into Antrim games from now to the end of the year.
a. Get rid of that soccer jersey that you wear all year. The auld crowd that follow Antrim are full of dinosaurs. It's hard enough for some of us to follow Gaelic football without having to look at Celtic, Man Utd , Arsenal or even Barcelona jerseys. Put the jersey in the bottom drawer until the winter.
b. Learn at least one Antrim song. For the English speakers that will be The Green Glens of Antrim. If you don't know it, and chances are you won't, you can find it on Youtube along with the Blue Hills of Antrim. If you are a fíorGhael you can impress your new friends with Ard Uí Chuain and Fear a' Bhata. We don't do Olé, Olé, Olé so don't bother.
c .Now listen very carefully to this one. It is very important. You will need an Antrim jersey. Be certain not to wear a brand new jersey. Sore thumb and all that. People will know right away that you are a bandwagon jumper. Maybe you have a friend, a cousin, an ex-girlfriend or an old uncle who may have an old jersey lying in some hiding place in the house. If there is an ancient Guinness stain on it so much the better. Don't clean it for it's a sign that that you formerly enjoyed following Antrim.
d. Learn the names of the players (this is a must). There is nothing our crowd hate more than one of your crowd asking us who is number 3 or what position does number 1 play. Shout out their names as follows: "Well done, Paddy," "Good save, Seán". And drop hints like "I was talking to Paddy Cunningham/Niall McKeever/ Sean McGreevy etc and he/they say we have a fair chance."
e. If you are not a member of a club, and you won't be, now is a great time to join. Quickly as possible now. Don't join Sarsfields or Lámh Dhearg though. They can smell chancers a mile away and will tell you in no uncertain terms where to go. Join a small club. They'll be glad of the money. Or if you think you are a yuppie join St. Bridget's. They'll give you a great welcome.
f. Learn a bit about the history of Antrim football. Nothing too deep mind you. Say you know/knew Frank Fitzimmons but you call him Junior. Say you played on the same minor team as Andy Óg McCallin. Say you were there the day Junior decked Joe Lennon in Casement. This will make you look very knowledgeable.
g. Lots of people will know you did not follow Antrim lately. No bother. You were busy raring a family. You were working in New York. Or down a mine in Australia. Pick one of these lies and stick with it.
h. Speak about Clones in 1970. Wasn't it a warm day? Explain that Derry were jammy that day. How did Aidan Hamill miss that penalty?
i. Mention the Under 21 team of 1969 that won the All-Ireland. Sure didn't you used to drink with half of them?
Now if you follow these simple rules you'll do fine. Did you take that soccer jersey off yet?
What's that surname?
Might be crazy, but think I'm going to be going to the Antrim fundraising dinner in the Welly Park nxt Fri. Anyone else going?
Quote from: hardstation on July 09, 2009, 09:26:27 PM
Is this the Ó Tuama who sits in Casement club pinting and talking about his love of Cork while Antrim footballers are playing on Casement pitch? He'd know a bandwagon right enough.
Same one and well you know it too I daresay
Quote from: Rois on July 09, 2009, 10:10:58 PM
Might be crazy, but think I'm going to be going to the Antrim fundraising dinner in the Welly Park nxt Fri. Anyone else going?
What's the story with this? Would head to it too.
One of those £60 a head things, my brother in law's an Antrim man and is being coerced into taking a few seats at a table. Know a few
from Cargin going too. Dunno much about it. It's advertised on Antrim website. Any excuse to dress up!
Guess i may be described as a bandwaggoner! Its my first post. Guess us Antrim men havent had much too cheer about latley. Living in co. down but still a Co. Antrim man. Some people can change their religon, even their colour of skin, rip michael. But you cant change your county.:D
How many fans will antrim bring to clones then?
What would be the split between city/country?
If Stevie has a stinker on Sunday week we'll know who to blame: he was just condemned to penal servitude for life married today in Aghyaran ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 10, 2009, 12:46:03 AM
If Stevie has a stinker on Sunday week we'll know who to blame: he was just condemned to penal servitude for life married today in Aghyaran ;)
If he has the game of his life it will be due to the copious amounts of alcohol consummed on said day ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 10, 2009, 12:46:03 AM
If Stevie has a stinker on Sunday week we'll know who to blame: he was just condemned to penal servitude for life married today in Aghyaran ;)
I dont expect him to last the 70 mins.
Quote from: hardstation on July 09, 2009, 09:26:27 PM
Is this the Ó Tuama who sits in Casement club pinting and talking about his love of Cork while Antrim footballers are playing on Casement pitch? He'd know a bandwagon right enough.
HS is that a son who wrote the article?
That really annoys me about all these great Belfast gaels would travel the lenght of the country to go to watch the munster final and when Antrim are playing outside they wont even go to the door to watch.
Quote from: NAG1 on July 10, 2009, 09:34:11 AM
Quote from: hardstation on July 09, 2009, 09:26:27 PM
Is this the Ó Tuama who sits in Casement club pinting and talking about his love of Cork while Antrim footballers are playing on Casement pitch? He'd know a bandwagon right enough.
HS is that a son who wrote the article?
That really annoys me about all these great Belfast gaels would travel the lenght of the country to go to watch the munster final and when Antrim are playing outside they wont even go to the door to watch.
it is indeed and he is a gael.
Every county has its bandwagon...I mean, the silence in Fermanagh is eerie.
What odds will anyone give me on Sean Cavanagh not playing against Antrim!
Quote from: longball on July 10, 2009, 10:44:22 AM
What odds will anyone give me on Sean Cavanagh not playing against Antrim!
Have you an inside track lb??
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on July 10, 2009, 11:04:38 AM
Quote from: longball on July 10, 2009, 10:44:22 AM
What odds will anyone give me on Sean Cavanagh not playing against Antrim!
Have you an inside track lb??
No i dont AQMP, not really but heard few things. Sean has himself caught up in GPA debate and foolish interviews with paper maybe his head isnt in it at the mo. I think he will be named but ive a funny feelin he will not start.
Great Mugsy suit in today's IN.
Quote from: ONeill on July 10, 2009, 12:40:08 PM
Great Mugsy suit in today's IN.
Seen it. :)
Fergal McCann has lost a good bit of weight
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Irish News
Quote from: fred the red on July 09, 2009, 11:37:30 PM
How many fans will antrim bring to clones then?
What would be the split between city/country?
Sounds like the 10,000 tickets that were allocated are about to sell out - think there will probably be a couple of thousand more on top of this. Probably split fairly well between city & country but not huge interest from N. Antrim as far as i know.
Quote from: noeldebrun on July 10, 2009, 02:42:58 PM
everyone one of the tyrone boys that were that yesterday where on the water and juice ;D
Looks like you were on something stronger :D
2003: Tyrone 1-17 Antrim 1-9
1988: Tyrone 3-13 Antrim 2-4
1987: Tyrone 2-6 Antrim 2-5
1987: Tyrone 0-9 Antrim 0-9
1980: Tyrone 1-8 Antrim 1-7
1979: Tyrone 2-9 Antrim 2-5
1964 Antrim 1-9 Tyrone 0-8
To be continued...
1963: Antrim 2-9 Tyrone 0-3
1948: Antrim 0-12 Tyrone 1-3
Quote from: ONeill on July 10, 2009, 12:42:27 PM
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I would have thought amateur players would not want Irish News photographers at their wedding, invasion of privacy etc etc
1933: Tyrone 0-3 Antrim 0-3
1933: Tyrone 3-5 Antrim 3-5
1933: Tyrone 1-8 Antrim 1-2
1927: Antrim 1-9 Tyrone 0-11
1926: Antrim 2-5 Tyrone 0-3
1913: Antrim bt Tyrone
will under sixteens be free for this game
Quote from: gerry on July 12, 2009, 11:45:39 PM
will under sixteens be free for this game
No. Game is all ticket and family tickets can be got through clubs. U-16's tickets will be €5 I think.
Heard tonight that enda mc ginley was definitely out next sunday and could be a major doubt for the all ireland quarter final as well if tyrone get their.
Hurt his hamstring in training at the weekend also has missed his clubs last few games as well.
I put all those stats into the computer and it tells me the final score will be:
Antrim 1-9 Tyrone 0-3.
I've since added in the McGinley rumour and it's now saying:
Antrim 1-9 Tyrone 0-3.
As they'd say in the Sperrins O'Neill
You need more Ram Sor
Big loss: http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2009/0713/tyrone.html
He was absent last year in the defeat in Newry.
Stevie needs to lend him his bike for a while -- he has a vulnerability with those hamstrings.
At least Joey looks like he'll be OK, and we could need him in that middle sector.
If Enda McGinley is out, who will replace him at midfield? Would like to see Justy in there which will give Sean O'Neill a chance in the defence.
May not be worth starting McGinley if any doubt at all with his hamstring. Don't want to chance starting him and causing more damage and being out for longer.
I`ve heard from all accounts its going be colm cav whos going to be starting at no.9,wait to we here the sceptics in tyrone now.From what i`ve heard from a 100percent reliable source he`s the man thats fllying in training,judge him after the match not now.More worringly the ref for the match is padraig hughes with him reffing the match it will be great leveller,never understand the appointment of an armagh man reffing a tyrone game or vice versa.
Did he referee the Tyrone v Westmeath game in the qualifers last year?
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on July 13, 2009, 03:13:18 PM
Did he referee the Tyrone v Westmeath game in the qualifers last year?
Gave Tyrone everything that day. Absolutely rode Westmeath. ;) ;)
What's the story on Mellon this year? Would he be in with a possibility for a MF start? McGinley will be a hugh loss. The only positive is the performances from Hub so far this year which will hopefully reduce the effect of Enda's absence.
Yeah I think Colm Cavo is on a mission to take the player of year award away from his big brother.
Sean looks disillusioned and I think you could see Colm being the new star of this Tyrone team
He's grown into a fine big strong fella and could play almost any position.
His point in last years AI final typified the workload he puts in to every game he plays and would be glad to see him at No 9 this Sunday as basically Enda has been living off last years fattened calf.
Think i'd definately go for one of the mcmahons in midfield to be honest - preferably Justin, as i think he has alot to offer on the ball further out the pitch, with Joe moving back! Does anyone know the progress of Aiden Cassidy, he seems to have been out for a long time now, Sunday would have been a good game to throw him into!
Collie Holmes will prob start in middle
with Sean being moved out there later on
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 13, 2009, 04:15:56 PM
Think i'd definately go for one of the mcmahons in midfield to be honest - preferably Justin, as i think he has alot to offer on the ball further out the pitch, with Joe moving back! Does anyone know the progress of Aiden Cassidy, he seems to have been out for a long time now, Sunday would have been a good game to throw him into!
Dont think mickey will move any of the mcmahons.
(1)they`re playin well were they are,
(2)mickey will be trying to keep changes to a premium.
What time is throw in at for this match?
Is it 2 or 4?
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2009, 05:26:45 PM
What time is throw in at for this match?
Is it 2 or 4?
2pm
Looking forward to this match and I will be especially interested in how Tyrone deal with Antrim's 6' 7" wing forward. Apologies that I don't know the names of the Antrim player but I want to forget Antrim and look forward to next year. We still haven't been beaten ;)
Hard to know who'll get the nod if McGinley doesn't make it.
As someone else said, I can't see Mickey moving other players about. He might try to bring in as much a like-for-like replacement as possible. Mellon, Holmes and Cassidy spring to mind. Colm Cavanagh would be a slight surprise but he does seem to be around the 16-18th man under Mickey, so there's a chance he could get the nod.
QuoteHis point in last years AI final typified the workload he puts in to every game he plays and would be glad to see him at No 9 this Sunday as basically Enda has been living off last years fattened calf.
Yeah, the team's carrying him ::)
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 13, 2009, 04:00:13 PM
basically Enda has been living off last years fattened calf.
Are you joking?
It was nice to see the flags up at Toome this eve. Fair play to Cargin.
Cant believe Hughes is being allowed to ref this after last years Westmeath game. Even Joe Kernan struggled to defend him at the time. Hard to know what the Tyrone team will be but would guess something like this if McGinley out:
Devine
Ricey
Justy
PJ
Harte
Gormley
Jordan
Hughes
S Cavanagh
Dooher
B McGugian
McMahon
Penrose
O'Neill
T McGuigan
Personally Id start Mugsy but have a notion that unless Dooher isnt fit he will end up on bench.
the midfield sector is the one area where Tyrone have very little cover in my opinion.
They can afford injuries in any other sector of the pitch in defence you have men like sean o neill, mcgee, mccaul, gourley and Carlin. all quality cover
in attack we managed to get to an all ireland final without stephen o'neill, owen mulligan so we seem to have plenty of cover in that area.
However in my opinion Enda McGinley is irreplaceable. He gives so much to the team and is central to the way Tyrone play. The stats would seem to
back this up. Most games which Tyrone have lost has been when he has been missing. Down in the championship last year is one that springs to mind.
For this reason I feel Antrim have a real chance on Sunday.
I`ll go with
devine
pj
justy
ricey
harte
gormley
jordan
hughes
colm cav
penrose
tommy
joe
stevie
sean
mugsy.
Personally i think tyrone will cut loose with are without enda.when you read comments like niall mckeevers in the irish news today "our players are every bit as good
as tyrones" dangerous things to say mickeys the master in picking up on comments like these and using it to his teams advantage.in my opinion if tyrone preform
they will win by 10+.
cant see it
antrim have some very good players
i think it will be very tight game
It's hard to know what to think in this game.
Tyrone are awesome and we're really up against it. Like HS says we need big performances from absolutely everyone. It will be interesting to see how Tyrone deal with McKeever. It's hard to see him having the same influence as the Cavan game.
Cavan's wicklow result puts that match in some perspective too.
However... We have played really well this far - much better than I ever thought I'd see an Antrim team play. We have nothing to lose here. We need to just go out and play like our lives depend on it. If Tyrone beat us, even beat us well, and we make a go for it then that's something. The important thing for me is that we have a go here. No lacking belief or any of that.
The impartial would expect Tyrone by ~10. The hope in me says Antrim by 1.
If we lose then I'd like Down or Wicklow in the draw...
The McGinley factor, and his importance to the current set-up over the last 12 months, somewhat skews things a little. There's no point in saying otherwise - a full strength I believe Tyrone would run-up an 8-12 point victory. Although a major factor of the current squad is the ability to adapt to absentees (missing Dooher and McGuigan from the starting line up is an example), McGinley's influence will be sorely missed - or maybe we'll find out on Sunday that it won't be.
As HS says, Antrim will need to play over and beyond what they've churned out this year. It is possible they could do a Down '03 and stay in the game by scoring the likes of 4-8. There's also the chance Tyrone could have an off-day. Antrim went through their NFL group unbeaten (I think there are more teams still standing in Div 4 than Div 3 right now), so they have a winning mentality. There's the confidence of St Galls' recent successes. Although my heart wants a titanic game with Antrim going toe-to-toe and pushing Tyrone to the limit, I just think that Tyrone have so many good players fit and healthy (look at the bench too) that the likes of Terry O'Neill's role will be redundant. Against Cavan and Donegal he really only needed to shield one man on each occasion. When you've O'Neill, Cavanagh, McGuigan, Penrose and Mugsy all capable of turning in individual match-winning performances and with Antrim's lack of experience at this level.....
McLean on O'Neill is a big one. If the Antrim FB negates our man, that confidence could spread like wildfire. Can Antrim put Jordan, Harte, Gormley and Ricey on the back foot for large parts of the game? One thing's for sure, they have to.
Antrim's in a great position in that little is expected from them, apart from not letting down the hoardes of Saffrons in the crowd.
Is there anyone pushing Mulligan for his place, he hasn't been up to much from what I have seen of him in the last two games.
Mugsy's been playing some killer passes in his new role. I certainly wouldn't drop him.
Quote from: ONeill on July 13, 2009, 11:55:32 PM
Mugsy's been playing some killer passes in his new role. I certainly wouldn't drop him.
He gave more bad ones than good ones against Derry
They used to say that about Dooher too. I thought Cavanagh had a poorer game than Mugsy the last day.
Mulligan is seeing much more of the ball at the minute and although he made a few errors of judgement last day, he does an awful lot right too.
Fella in work is laying even money at Tyrone +10.
Quote from: ONeill on July 13, 2009, 11:55:32 PM
Mugsy's been playing some killer passes in his new role. I certainly wouldn't drop him.
Have to agree with Big O Neill, Mulligan is having a very decent year so far. Cant see any reason for him to be dropped for this game. Can see Sean Cavanagh going to mid field with Mc Cullagh or Brian Mc Guigan coming in to the forward line, thats if Mc Ginley aint fit. Imo he is irreplaceable, first on my team sheet every time.
If McGinley is not able to start then Tommy could be another option for the middle of the pitch. He has been excellent there all year for the club and has the ability to play there.
Mugsy is seeing a lot of ball alright but seems to be shooting a lot of wides and hitting some bad passes.
Still I'd persist with him a while longer but maybe for a team like Antrim McCullagh would be more suited out around the 40.
McGinley was awesome last year and has done OK this year but like big Sean hasn't set the world on fire just yet.
He does a lot of unseen work & reads the game very well but I just feel he's been off colour in the 2 games so far.
I'd also like to see Sean O'Neill get a start this time or at least play a good part of the game.
I'd play Sean at MF with Hub again & I reckon we'll see Stevie & Penfold in the FF line again
Will Antrim play a sweeper in front of Stevie or Penfold?
If they do I'd say we'll see a lot of ball being ran up the wings and shooting from far out
Will be surprised if Dooher starts as I'd say Mickey will want him to end the game as usual.
Hub
Sean
Mellon
Brian McGuigan
Tommy
Penrose
Stevie
Mugsy/McCullagh
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 14, 2009, 12:50:26 AM
Fella in work is laying even money at Tyrone +10.
Take both arms out by the socket
Fuzzman, I would agree with you a la Sean being put in the middle if Enda isn't fit. Whats the latest with mellon? Is he available? He could come into consideration. I think Dooher could start, I don't see why he wouldn't at this stage. I heard Brian McGuigan is flying at the minute, would be good to get him back for Sunday and see some of the old magic. It was a big ask last year to come straight back from 2 years out and into Senior County football with very little club time, so hopefully we will see Brian back to near his best this summer. If Enda is unavailable then I would go for:
8) Hub
9) Cavanagh
10) Dooher
11) Brian McGuigan
12) Tommy
13) Penrose
14) SON
15) Mugsy
Jays she didn't get another reduction!
I see some people are picking forward lines without Joe McMahon. Does this mean they wouldnt start him on the team? Not sure if there's a place for him in defence at the minute unless Tyrone were up against a big full forward line. If he's injury free I think he's worth his place in the half forward line. He has been quiet enough in 1st couple of games though.
McMahon is a different type of animal from Mellon, Brian McGuigan or C Cav. He does most of his best work behind midfield even when playing at 12. Add to that, he can stick over a 45, sometimes. Defensively sound and excellent distribution. If fit, I think an automatic selection.
Joe if fit is a certain starter. Mr. Utility. Can play anywhere. Has all the skills. The number on his back means nothing.
First of all, I'm delighted to see my own County line out in an Ulster final against my favourite "adopted" team. Strange feeling. Wasn't born the last time we made the final. So all kind's of emotions running through my head.
Tyrone I think have a huge ability to be potentially more dangerous. One thing they could do better in my view is get more quality ball low into the full forward line. I would play O Neill in the edge of the square with strict instruction's not to leave a five yard radius of the small paralelagram. Could you imagine how devastating he would be in that role. If he were to win one of every three attacks? He would be shaking the net more often and demoralising the opposition as goals tend to do. Tyrone are a point scoring machine but if I had forwards as classy as O Neill I would play my game around them. He is like the point of the knife. Hope he has a bad game Sunday though :P
As discussed earlier this would be my number 8 to 15 in the red hands.
8 Hughes
9 Brian Mc Guigan
10 J Mc Mahon (dooher running out of legs)
11 Sean Cavanagh
12 T mc Guigan
13 penrose
14 Stephen O Neill
15 Eoin Mulligan
Mulligan is very much a confidance player with unlimited talent I would get him on the ball early a few times to get his dander up. Mc Cullough is also classy but pulls out of a lot of challenges. Probably because he's small and trying to play it cute. Huge fan of the Mc Mahon boy's and they would be in the line up as well.
Quote from: hardstation on July 14, 2009, 01:20:56 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 14, 2009, 12:50:26 AM
Fella in work is laying even money at Tyrone +10.
1. Worth a small punt.
2. Said work colleague is a w**kstain.
3. He's probably from Strabane.
4. He is a bandwagon Tyrone football supporter.
Give me marks out of 4 for that.
1. ;)
2. Alright actually. For a Tyrone man.
3. Coalisland. As bad.
4. Only every September.
Quote from: hardstation on July 14, 2009, 01:20:56 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 14, 2009, 12:50:26 AM
Fella in work is laying even money at Tyrone +10.
1. Worth a small punt.
2. Said work colleague is a w**kstain.
3. He's probably from Strabane.
4. He is a bandwagon Tyrone football supporter.
Give me marks out of 4 for that.
1. I'd say so.
2. He's alright as Tyrone folk go.
3. Not that bad. Coalisland.
4. Only in September.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on July 14, 2009, 03:57:46 PM
First of all, I'm delighted to see my own County line out in an Ulster final against my favourite "adopted" team. Strange feeling. Wasn't born the last time we made the final. So all kind's of emotions running through my head.
Tyrone I think have a huge ability to be potentially more dangerous. One thing they could do better in my view is get more quality ball low into the full forward line. I would play O Neill in the edge of the square with strict instruction's not to leave a five yard radius of the small paralelagram. Could you imagine how devastating he would be in that role. If he were to win one of every three attacks? He would be shaking the net more often and demoralising the opposition as goals tend to do. Tyrone are a point scoring machine but if I had forwards as classy as O Neill I would play my game around them. He is like the point of the knife. Hope he has a bad game Sunday though :P
As discussed earlier this would be my number 8 to 15 in the red hands.
8 Hughes
9 Brian Mc Guigan
10 J Mc Mahon (dooher running out of legs)11 Sean Cavanagh
12 T mc Guigan
13 penrose
14 Stephen O Neill
15 Eoin Mulligan
Mulligan is very much a confidance player with unlimited talent I would get him on the ball early a few times to get his dander up. Mc Cullough is also classy but pulls out of a lot of challenges. Probably because he's small and trying to play it cute. Huge fan of the Mc Mahon boy's and they would be in the line up as well.
Mickey has been lucky so far in that Dooher hasn't HAD to be over used. Dooher will be needed from 1/4 finals onwards so hopefully he'll be good to go at that stage.
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A few more irrelevant facts:
Apart from the Ulster Championship clashes highlighted earlier in the week, over the years there have been a few important meetings between the Saffrons and the Red Hands.
1941 Dr McKenna Cup Final - Antrim 3-7 Tyrone 2-6 AET and after a replay. The first game ended Ant 4-8 Tyr 1-17. The replay was 1-6 a-piece at FT.
1966 Dr McKenna Cup Final - Antrim 1-10 Tyrone 1-6. That game was place in a hole, Lurgan.
1932 Ulster Minor Final - Antrim 2-7 Tyrone 1-2. Tyrone were defending champions but were bate well up in Corrigan.
1936 Ulster Minor Final - Antrim 2-7 Tyrone 2-4 played at Castleblaney. Tyrone were going for an unofficial 3-in-a-row that year. They won it in 1934 and 1935 but were disqualified in '35 afterwards when Donegal found out that one of the Tyrone players was from Ederney. Donegal were then thrown out for fielding an over-ager. Antrim won anyways.
1997 Ulster Minor Final - Tyrone 3-13 Antrim 2-10
1998 Ulster Minor Final - Tyrone 4-9 Antrim 2-2
1974 Ulster U21 Final - Antrim 2-6 Tyrone 1-8
1975 Ulster U21 Final - Antrim 2-7 Tyrone 0-7
1951 Ulster Junior Hurling Final - Antrim 7-1 Tyrone 2-1
1966 Ulster Minor Hurling Final - Antrim 6-6 Tyrone 1-3
The 19th July has some historic relevance for Tyrone as on that date in 1931, they won their first senior inter-county title, defeating fermanagh in the Northern Division 2 Final, 2-5 to 2-4, Ned McGee from Ballygawley pointing the winner. 1931 was also the year Tyrone first wore their now standard white shirt with red hand.
I was reading there about a club that was formed in Belfast in 1917 at Craobh Rua Hall. Its playing members were comprised solely of Tyrone men. It was chaired by a 'Jim Tohill' (Stewartstown) and they called it Tyrone O'Neills. Their players came from Moy, Pomeroy, Omagh, Dungannon, Stewartstown, Coalisland, Cookstown, Sion Mills, Ardboe, Donaghmore, Killybearn and Strabane. Their surnames were Early, McCann, Carabine, Loughran, Hamill, Mitchill, Lamb, McCrealy, Brennan, Mullin, Higgens, Lavery, Brannigan, Fanning, Doey, Rodgers, Flynn and another McCrealy.
I'd be mightily pissed of if one of the McCanns does the business on Sunday.
QuoteThe McCanns and indeed an O'Neill will cripple Tyrone on Sunday.
Thought we'd left all those days behind us...........................
gone one of you fellas post paddy heaneys article from yesterdays irish news, i didnt get the paper yesterday. don't like to miss it. cheers
Here you go Massey:
Sticking the boot into GAA is a DUP distraction
Against the Breeze
by Paddy Heaney
14/07/09
BACK in the last century, I used to work in the real world and, for three years, I was with a company that sold continental cheese and fine foods.
When I started, I was the only Catholic in a family-run firm of about 25 employees. My work colleagues were broadly representative of the full rainbow of unionism. The chairman was over 80 years of age and he was in his seat at 8.30am every morning. He was a member of the Ulster Unionist party. The chairman's son, the managing director, was apolitical. His only affiliation was to his company and his customers. Jim, the yard foreman, was a fine, upstanding character. Even in the hottest weather his tie remained tightly-knotted. His sole concern was getting deliveries to the shops on time. Jim's deputy was Victor. A proud member of the Orange Order, Victor also pretended that he was in the freemasons. Our secret handshake changed every week. The lads who made up the deliveries mostly came from around Black's Road and Suffolk a Protestant enclave that neighbours west Belfast.
In the three years that I worked for that company, I couldn't say a bad word about my employers or my work-mates. I was Paddy. I was a Catholic and I played Gaelic football. I also enjoyed a cigarette so I spent my fair share of time chatting to Victor and the lads in the smokers' hut. They'd ask me about the GAA and playing Gaelic football. Victor would show me his Masonic Lodge ring and every now and again, I'd be asked to buy a ballot ticket for the Boys' Brigade. I'd comply (there were 20 of them).
Anyone who has had the experience of employment in a mixed workforce will understand the dynamic of the situation. In order to get the job done, it's best to establish trust, accommodate each other and find common ground. Politics is no different, and this is why Nelson McCausland has made such a disappointing start to his term as the minister for culture, arts and leisure.
In the depressingly familiar canon of the DUP, Nelson has started off by telling us what he will not be doing. He will not be attending GAA clubs named after republicans. He will not be attending any matches on a Sunday and he will not attend any services in a Catholic church. To further underline his credentials for the job, Nelson proudly declared that he knew as much about the "Gaelic Sports" as he did about the "Northern Ireland Champions for lacrosse". He then claimed that he didn't know that Tyrone were the All-Ireland champions.
Imagine the sports minister at Westminster boasting that he knew next to nothing about football and that he didn't realise Manchester United were the Premiership champions. Even if we forget the fact that Nelson is supposed to be representing both sides of the community, his comments from a sports fan's point of view are cringeworthy. (Victor and the lads were always up to date on the Ulster Championship, although they didn't agree with Monaghan, Cavan and Donegal being allowed to take part). Somehow, Nelson believes that broadcasting his ignorance about his new brief is a badge of honour.
Unfortunately, the minister will not be in the slightest bit embarrassed. In fact, he will be delighted that he has been able to use the subsequent radio and television exposure to establish himself as the DUP's hardman against the GAA. It's all pretty lamentable, but McCausland isn't really to blame. He's only being used as a distraction device by his leader, Peter Robinson, who is still reeling from the bloody nose he received in the European elections. Unsurprisingly, senior DUP politicians have revealed that the GAA wasn't at the top of concerns for loyalist voters in working class areas.
Sinn Fein didn't even top the list of bogey men. For every unionist voter on the doorstep who mentioned sharing power with Sinn Fein, another five voiced their anger at the scandal over Westminster MPs' expenses, 'double-jobbing' politicians, and the revelation that the 'Swish Family Robinson' was netting nearly £600,000 from political salaries and expenses per year. Robinson needs some of the attention drawn away from his dynasty-building. It was no surprise that Nelson was appointed in the immediate wake of that disastrous election. His first comments were as predictable as they were depressing.
It's classic DUP politics. They like to identify an enemy that allows them to establish themselves as the champions of the Protestant people. But, it's all getting rather pathetic. After 30 years of violence, DUP politicians like Nelson McCausland should be acutely aware of the danger of language that causes offence and fosters tensions.
Last week there were five attacks on Catholic churches, a GAA club, and two Orange Order halls. These attacks cannot be blamed on Nelson. But he should reflect on the fact that it's better to start off by using words that don't play on the fears of people who are suspicious of Catholics and the sports they play. In Edwin Poots, the DUP appointed a minister for Culture, Arts and Leisure who understood the remit of the post and his responsibility to both communities. It's understood that Poots and Ulster GAA secretary Danny Murphy got on quite well. Both men are farmers. After meetings, we can assume they had amiable conversations about the weather and the price of grass seed. Poots never made any apologies for his unionist views. He voiced his concerns about the GAA when he attended the Ulster Council's club conference. And he deliberately avoided the Irish national anthem when he attended the Dr McKenna Cup game in Newry. But Poots managed to create respect for himself, his post, and the unionist views he represented by showing some respect to the GAA and its leaders. If the DUP genuinely wants the GAA to make changes, they would have much more success with a politician in the mould of Poots who showed that he had the breadth of vision to escape the squalid street politics in which McCausland seems so entrenched.
In the meantime, Sinn Fein and the SDLP should be urged to ignore any further provocative statements from McCausland. He should not be allowed to use the GAA as a smokescreen to divert attention from the chaos within his own party. Instead, Nelson should be invited to every major and minor GAA function. If he fails to attend – no problem. And if he honours the event with his presence, someone could inform him that Lacrosse was a game originally played by the Native Americans. It was said to be played "for the Creator".
As an evangelical Protestant, our new sports minister might have unwittingly struck upon a game that he actually likes.
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2009, 10:01:55 PM
Time to have a stab.
1. Peter Graham
2. Colin Brady 3. Andy McClean 4. Kevin O'Boyle
.............................10. Terry O'Neill.................................
5. Tony Scullion 6. Justin Crozier 7. James Loughrey
12. Niall McKeever 9. Aodhan Gallagher
15. Tomas McCann 11. Kevin Brady
13. Paddy Cunningham 8. Michael McCann 14. Sean Burke
I would imagine..
McGreevy in for Graham maybe. Don't know how his injury is.
The team virtually picks itself at this stage. As you say HS the only debate is whether McGreevy comes back in for Graham. My instinct is to go with McGreevy if 100%. Peter Graham has done nothing wrong in his two games, but hasn't had a lot to do. IMHO McGreevy has been in the top 5 keepers in the country over the past 10 years. A very good shot-stopper who fills the goal well for a "small" man in keeping terms. If it was close with 5 mins to go and Steven O'Neill is lining up a penalty I know who I'd want facing it!
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 13, 2009, 04:15:56 PM
Think i'd definately go for one of the mcmahons in midfield to be honest - preferably Justin, as i think he has alot to offer on the ball further out the pitch, with Joe moving back! Does anyone know the progress of Aiden Cassidy, he seems to have been out for a long time now, Sunday would have been a good game to throw him into!
Cassidy kicked two points of collie holmes in first training game back the other night - should be togging out sunday anyway as Mickey always togs out all players who are fit.
Quote from: C_Berg_316 on July 15, 2009, 01:14:59 PM
Cassidy kicked two points of collie holmes in first training game back the other night - should be togging out sunday anyway as Mickey always togs out all players who are fit.
Good news, he could make an appearance on Sunday.
Ian O'Riordan in today's
Irish Times:Harte set on getting job at hand doneULSTER SFC FINAL: WHEN YOUR team are odds of 14 to 1 on and no one in their right mind gives the opposition any hope it's usual for the man in charge to scream "crazy"! Not Mickey Harte. The Tyrone manager fully accepts the All-Ireland champions are overwhelming favourites going into Sunday's Ulster football final against Antrim and, if they play to their potential, fully expects them to win.
He could talk of apprehension, play down their chances, build up Antrim as the hot, new force in Ulster football, but Harte is too honest, too composed, to play that game. Besides, he knows he'd be fooling no one.
"That's what is out there in the public domain," says Harte, "that Tyrone should win this game. But we believe we should win it too. So we're not hiding that. We believe we should win the game and if we play to the best of our ability I believe we will the game. But that's the variable. We still have to go out and do that."
There are countless reasons why Tyrone should win, and precious few why Antrim should. It's a first ever Ulster football final between the sides, but while the All-Ireland champions are seeking their fourth title of the decade, Antrim are seeking their first since 1951. Truth is, no Ulster final has looked more predictable since Antrim last contested it, in 1970, when they lost out to Derry.
Harte has also been in this position before. Tyrone were equally well fancied to beat Antrim in their last championship meeting, the Ulster semi-final in 2003, and they did – by eight points, on route to the first All-Ireland. The trick is ensuring his team can handle being such strong favourites, and Harte feels they can.
"In some ways it is more difficult than a game where the odds are against you, but the majority of our players have been in this situation many times before, either at minor – 1997, 1998 – or at under-21 level – 2000, 2001 – when they were big favourites. And the same at senior level. So it may be new opponents for them on Sunday, but it's not new territory.
"I think everyone on this team knows how to cope with it, and more often than not have dealt with it, and coped with it well. But of course you just never know. Complacency is something you can talk about, but you can only do your best not to be complacent."
Not that Harte is in any way underestimating Antrim. They have been knocking on the door of a breakthrough in Ulster for a few years now. It's just no one truly expected this to be that year, particularly with Donegal and then Cavan standing in their way.
"To be honest, when the draw was made, no, we wouldn't have expected Antrim to come through," adds Harte, "definitely not. But at the same time, I have actually been saying for some time that Antrim have some very good footballers, and have shown it at club level as well.
"They probably lacked that bit of belief, and cohesion. Sometimes it seemed there was some angst between the city and country clubs, and that maybe negated against their best performance. I think that's been overcome now, that Liam Bradley has been able to mould the team together, city and country folk.
"And they're here on merit, beating Donegal, when they were underdogs. Some people thought that was a flash in the pan, but they backed it up with an even stronger performance against Cavan.
"If they move again to another level then certainly they would have their own cause for optimism. So we won't be underrating them. No doubt about that. We give every team total respect. If we didn't do that we wouldn't be in the place we are now."
One of the main reasons why Tyrone are such strong favourites is that they're operating practically at full strength. They were always in the driving seat in their eight-point win over Derry in the Ulster semi-final, and although they have a couple of enduring injury concerns, it's all good compared to the deeper injury problems of other years.
"Enda McGinley would still be a cause concern. The hamstring injury was still giving him trouble over the weekend. We'll just have to see how it comes on this week. Joe McMahon didn't take part in a number of sessions since the Derry game (where he sustained a rib injury) but played a full part at the weekend.
"And it's the same story really with Brian Dooher, in that it's something we just have to monitor the whole time. He was actually going very well again, then got injured in a club match, last Sunday week. He hurt his back.
"That's the concern for him at the moment, and it depends again on how much we think we can get out on him on Sunday, but hopefully it will be most of the game."
Talking of odds, while Tyrone remain favourites to win the All-Ireland, Dublin's odds narrowed after their win over Kildare. Harte, naturally, was watching closely, particularly as the championship could ultimately finish with the Ulster and Leinster champions
"Well we wouldn't be looking that far down the line anyway," says Harte. "Whoever happens to come through Sunday has a lot of football to play before that.
"But you would have to be impressed with Dublin, definitely. It was a very intense game. They opened very strongly again, but were hauled back quite quickly, so Kildare definitely asked more of them as a team. And ultimately they delivered on that."
What about Mc Ginley ? Any further news ?? I'd say Harte won't risk him. Needed for the next day.
The Missus won't let him play.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/the_championship/7840419.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/the_championship/7840419.stm)
McGinley rules himself out - may be on the bench.
Joey looks to be available for selection
Quote from: hardstation on July 15, 2009, 09:37:31 PM
Tough blow for McGinley but rest up Enda, you'll be needed to get Tyrone into the quarters.
Has McMahon shaved yet?
Aye, he's shaving every day now though - thon beard was only a weeks growth before the games last year
Heard there's a pub in Ballymena serving pints on Sunday at 1970 prices. Anyone know where it is?
Tyrone have lost a championship match every year since 2003.
Quote from: hardstation on July 15, 2009, 09:49:44 PM
Quote from: Orior on July 15, 2009, 09:48:52 PM
Heard there's a pub in Ballymena serving pints on Sunday at 1970 prices. Anyone know where it is?
Ballymena.
Oh thanks. I thought it was Ahoghill.
Quote from: Orior on July 15, 2009, 09:48:52 PM
Heard there's a pub in Ballymena serving pints on Sunday at 1970 prices. Anyone know where it is?
Think your getting mixed up with a pints in Ballymena in a 1970s style pub
Quote from: hardstation on July 15, 2009, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 15, 2009, 09:52:02 PM
Tyrone have lost a championship match every year since 2003.
True. If yis don't throw this one, yis are fcuked. Come on Mickey, see sense.
2007 Quarter Final defeat to Meath was the hardest. Tyrone could've/would've/should've.
Geraghty shouldn't have.
Quote from: hardstation on July 15, 2009, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 15, 2009, 09:59:20 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 15, 2009, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 15, 2009, 09:52:02 PM
Tyrone have lost a championship match every year since 2003.
True. If yis don't throw this one, yis are fcuked. Come on Mickey, see sense.
2007 Quarter Final defeat to Meath was the hardest. Tyrone could've/would've/should've.
Geraghty shouldn't have.
Wicklow bastids.
It took until the Marshes June 08 before the quiet men had the courage to unfurl the 'Harte Out' banners.
Did Jody lay the seeds and Baker sowed them?
In the back of one's mind, either Antrim or Tyrone have just 6 days to prepare for a loser provincial final v 'uppity big-shot qualiifer' match. That's likely Kerry/Derry/Down/Meath :-X
The USFC winners get another week on top to prepare.
1984 - 25 years ago we had the McGuigan Final. It was Tyrone's first since 1973 and initiated a period of relative dominance in Ulster over the next 6 years.
1959 - 50 years ago Down blitzed their way to their first title, signalling the start of their dominance on a national scale.
2009 - Antrim rise from the ashes?
1909 - 100 years ago Antrim won it.
O'Neill - I've a feeling thet you're grasping at straws. Tell us you've a rake of injuries. ;)
The Holy Bible: King James Version. 2000.
The Book of Job
39
1 Knowest thou the time when the wild goats of the rock bring forth?
Or canst thou mark when the hinds do calve?
2 Canst thou number the months that they fulfil?
Or knowest thou the time when they bring forth?
3 They bow themselves, they bring forth their young ones,
they cast out their sorrows.
4 Their young ones are in good liking, they grow up with corn;
they go forth, and return not unto them.
5 Who hath sent out the wild ass free?
Or who hath loosed the bands of the wild ass?
6 whose house I have made the wilderness,
and the barren land his dwellings.
7 He scorneth the multitude of the city,
neither regardeth he the crying of the driver.
8 The range of the mountains is his pasture,
and he searcheth after every green thing.
9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee,
or abide by thy crib?
10 Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow?
Or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
11 Wilt thou trust him, because his strength is great?
Or wilt thou leave thy labor to him?
12 Wilt thou believe him, that he will bring home thy seed,
and gather it into thy barn?
13 Gavest thou the goodly wings unto the peacocks?
or wings and feathers unto the ostrich?
14 which leaveth her eggs in the earth,
and warmeth them in the dust,
15 and forgetteth that the foot may crush them,
or that the wild beast may break them.
16 She is hardened against her young ones, as though they were not hers:
her labor is in vain without fear;
17 because God hath deprived her of wisdom,
neither hath he imparted to her understanding.
18 What time she lifteth up herself on high,
she scorneth the horse and his rider.
19 Hast thou given the horse strength?
Hast thou clothed his neck with thunder?
20 Canst thou make him afraid as a grasshopper?
The glory of his nostrils is terrible.
21 He paweth in the valley, and rejoiceth in his strength:
he goeth on to meet the armed men.
22 He mocketh at fear, and is not affrighted;
neither turneth he back from the sword.
23 The quiver rattleth against him,
the glittering spear and the shield.
24 He swalloweth the ground with fierceness and rage:
neither believeth he that it is the sound of the trumpet.
25 He saith among the trumpets, Ha, ha!
And he smelleth the battle afar off,
the thunder of the captains, and the shouting.
26 Doth the hawk fly by thy wisdom,
and stretch her wings toward the south?
27 Doth the eagle mount up at thy command,
and make her nest on high?
28 She dwelleth and abideth on the rock,
upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place.
29 From thence she seeketh the prey,
and her eyes behold afar off.
30 Her young ones also suck up blood:
and where the slain are, there is she.
Quote from: Frank Casey on July 15, 2009, 11:43:35 PM
O'Neill - I've a feeling thet you're grasping at straws. Tell us you've a rake of injuries. ;)
Very suspicious: McGinley's wife is a sister of Antrim's McCann. Enda goes down with an injury the week before the game.
I've been feeding my black pudding to the dog to see if he survives it before I devour the rest of herself's breakfast. Trust no one, Mickey.
39 has religious implications here.
Quote from: hardstation on July 15, 2009, 11:59:26 PM
I find it disgusting that you quote from the book of Job when you know us Antrim boys don't have any jobs.
:D
Who wins?
Gerry Adams v Barry McElduff
Glens v Bushes
Liam Neesen v Liam McMahon
Tony McCoy v Philomena Begley
Carrickfergus Castle v Benburb Castle
Norman Whiteside v Aaron Hughes
Joe Swail v Dennis Taylor
Belfast Crystal v Tyrone Crystal
McRory hails Saffrons ... but can't see them beating Tyrone
Art McRory feels Antrim have been a breath of fresh air in the Ulster Championship this season.
But the man who led Tyrone to the 1986 and 1995 All Ireland Finals — not to mention five Ulster titles — is in no doubt that the fairytale will end when the Saffrons clash with the All Ireland champions in the Ulster Final in Clones on Sunday.
"I'm delighted for Antrim. Every county needs a lift," said McRory.
"They have done superbly well to get this far and it's been great to see them do so well. Now they face a massive challenge.
"Much will depend on their better players — if their best players are on top of their game they will lift the rest.
"Antrim might use the persecution complex — everyone is against us as the unfashionable team.
"But I just can't see Tyrone being beaten — in Ulster or the All Ireland. The team is even better now than it was last year."
The Red Hands beat Kerry in last year's final to clinch their third All Ireland crown but McRory sees Cork as the chief threat this time around, especially after the Rebels knocked the Kingdom out of the Munster Championship after a replay at the semi-final stage before going on to beat Limerick in the final.
"I was very confident Tyrone would beat Kerry last year but now Cork have emerged — their athleticism against Kerry was ferocious," says McRory.
"Cork have managed to put a very structured organisation in place. They have an organisation now that the players have confidence in.
"But Kerry are still a threat and my first reaction after Cork beat Kerry was that you don't win anything in June. It's all to play for yet," added Art, who has links to Kerry football — his brother is married to Kingdom legend Mikey Sheehy's sister.
And for the man who played such a key role in helping Tyrone conquer Ulster and then climb so high up the All Ireland mountain, seeing the Red Hands as the number one team in the country brings enormous pleasure.
"It's great to see Tyrone doing so well — and being able to watch them without the pressure! I can watch Tyrone now and actually enjoy the match.
"Tyrone are developing very nicely because the feeder teams are in place and are very good.
"There's a big emphasis on youth, with the county successful at youth level — schools, vocational schools, colleges. Tyrone are generally successful at Minor level, although have gone out this year.
"There are lots of good young players with the ambition to make the senior team so there are a lot of ready replacements coming through. Therefore I can see Tyrone being a force for quite a while," said McRory.
And just like the days when McRory's release from the pressure of matches in front of capac
ity crowds at the likes of Croke Park and Clones was greyhound racing, the Dungannon man still loves spending time with his dogs.
"I've been involved in dog racing all my life. All the time you are hoping that a really good dog comes along," he explained.
"From a young age I was always very interested and used to go down to my local track in Dungannon, which closed a few years ago.
"I used to go to Dunmore and Celtic Park before they closed and it's great to see Drumbo being such a success," said the retired schoolteacher, who is also steeped in the sport of basketball both as player and coach.
But it's greyhound racing that now takes up virtually all McRory's time.
"My brother Jim and I work together. Greyhounds are a seven days per week job so it's very difficult to work with them on your own and still have a life. So the two of us dovetail. If you want to get away for a few days someone has to stay behind and look after the dogs.
"The whole idea is to get out and enjoy the sport — that's the target, a bit of enjoyment and craic.
"And if you get the occasional winner, that's great.
"But it's just like the football — there are ups and downs."
And would McRory ever consider a return to the ups and downs of football management?
He has a hearty laugh before saying: "Management is a young man's game — I'm past that."
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/mcrory-hails-saffrons--but-canrsquot-see-them-beating-tyrone-14406246.html
Antrim manager Liam Bradley has named the same team that beat Cavan in the semi-final for Sunday's Ulster decider against All Ireland champions Tyrone in Clones.
Long serving goalkeeper Sean McGreevy, who missed the semi-final through injury has recovered but Bradley has decided to maintain the status quo and go with Creggan's Peter Graham who deputised for McGreevy against Cavan.
No. Name (As Gaelige) Name (In English) Club (As Gaelige)
1 Peadar Ó Greachain Peter Graham Ciceam Creagan
2 Coilin Ó Bradaigh Colin Brady Naomh Gall
3 Aindriu Mac Giolla Eain Andy McClean Naomh Gall
4 Caoimhin Ó Baoill Kevin O'Boyle Clann na hEireann
5 Antaine Ó Scollain Tony Scullion Clann na hEireann
6 Saerbhreathach Cruiseir Justin Crozier Clann na hEireann
7 Seamas Ó Luachra James Loughrey Naomh Brid
8 Micheal Mac Cana Michael McCann Clann na hEireann
9 Aodhan Ó Gallchoir Aodhan Gallagher Naomh Gall
10 Toirealach Ó Neill Terry O'Neill Naomh Gall
11 Caoimhin Ó Bradaigh Kevin Brady Naomh Eargnaid
12 Niall Mac Iomhair Niall McKeever Mhic Asmaint
13 Paidin Ó Cuinneagain Capt Paddy Cunningham Lamh Dhearg
14 Sean de Burca Sean Burke Naomh Gall
15 Tomas Mac Cana Tomas McCann Clann na hEireann
16 Sean Mac Fionmhacain John Finucane Lamh Dhearg
17 Padraig Ó Ciara Patrick Carey Mhic Asmaint
18 Ciaran Ó Cluasaigh Ciaran Close Clann na hEireann
19 Aaron Mac Dúghlais Aaron Douglas Naomh Eoin
20 Dara Mac Eadbhaird Dara Edwards Naomh Brid
21 Colm Pleimeann Colm Fleming Ui Donnabhain Rosa
22 Breandan Ó hosain Benny Hasson Naomh Mhuire
23 Diarmuid Mac Cana Dermot McCann Ciceam Creagan
24 Conchur Ó Muiri Conor Murray Lamh Dhearg
25 Caoimhin Nibloc Kevin Niblock Naomh Gall
26 Caoimhin Mac Uilin Kevin McQuillan Cuchullian
27 Criostoir Mac an Bheatha Chris McVeigh Naomh Seamas
28 Niall Ó Conaill Neill O'Connell Naomh Mhuire
29 Deaghlan Ó hAgain Deaghlan O'Hagan Naomh Brid
30 Micheal Poloc Michael Pollock Gort na Mona
Have any of you seen this article by the antrim PRO on their website;
http://antrim.gaa.ie/news/details/?id=1778
would love to see a good game but can only see a slaughter match on the cards, Tyrone -9 would be my bet but my God would I love to be eating my words IF Antrim gave them a real scare or even beat them
I'll have what he's having:#
Opportunity knocks.
The opportunity of a lifetime has come for Antrim football.
It must be seized within the short lifetime of that opportunity.
Clichés aside, seventy minutes is the lifetime of this immediate opportunity – let there be no mistake or misunderstanding about this.
Stones, pounds, even ounces have been shed, by Antrim Senior footballers, during a rigorous preparation and training season like none other. In lesser measure but certainly for the greater good, ounces and pounds of toned muscle tissue have totally displaced and replaced much of those former fatty deposits. Antrim Senior Footballers, of 2009, are a credit to themselves and to those they work with, for their present state of readiness and physical fitness.
However, it will take all this and more, to complete this journey, about which they could only dream, at the beginning of the current season. One day at a time, they set about a daunting task. To even suggest the possibility of such achievement, at outset, was to invite ridicule, but that is of no consequence today. What is however, entirely significant is that having come thus far, that nothing conceivable should be allowed to impede the progress to completion of a golden period in Antrim GAA history; a period hitherto unprecedented and unsurpassed.
Sunday the 19th July, is to be the day when the 'might' of Tyrone can expect to face a level of competition like none other, on Irish soil. Antrim senior footballers have well prepared for this day, their day, and will not be denied. Blood sweat and tears have been shed, in plenty, in preparation for this challenge; this is now in essence a premier Gaelic football team, at its seasonal peak, albeit starved of recognition or just reward.
For all too many generations Antrim, as a Gaa footballing county, has failed to prepare, as a whole panel, at the demanding levels otherwise pertaining to success. In consequence they have repeatedly failed to achieve, to the very point of being stigmatised as a county, seemingly unable to deliver. And yet again, paradoxically, this present panel, with each and every success or achievement to date, has had to bear the brunt of a raft of excuses for opponent failure; where such excuses invariably seemed to outnumber credits.
For 70 minutes or more, this Ulster Championship Final should be different. This Antrim panel now has something to prove, first and foremost to themselves. They are in reality, conditioned warriors, truly worthy of winning. Collectively they have the skills, the stamina and the determination to conquer.
They have also this long awaited seventy minute opportunity of a lifetime. For that same seventy minutes they must combine their talents and demonstrate definitively, to all and sundry, that they really are a team which will not accept defeat in the Ulster championship of 2009. Every minute must be made to count; every pain endured.
The level of support, now rowed in behind these Antrim athletes, is something which has never been seen in this county before; The proud display of saffron truly is a joyous site and has been for long overdue. The net effect should be a positive one on Sunday. Tyrone, to its credit, has already had its fair share of Gaa sunshine; still they are both a selfish and a proud county and would, if let, take all :]
Let this be the day, when Antrim Gaels, men and women of all ages, openly and unashamedly cry their tears of joy, for the restoration of Gaelic pride in their own county. Let this be the day when a sea of saffron makes a clear statement of intent and feeds our children and again our children's children, with a true sense of belonging, to a proud Irish Nation. These are high aspirations; they are also and at long last, well within reach.
Monday cannot be a day of excuses; we have been there far too many times before. By contrast, Monday and the days and weeks immediately afterwards, can and should be joyful days of unprecedented celebration for Antrim Gaels; make it be.
As for you, the players and the entire panel, you have put in the long hard hours of preparation; seventy more minutes, of being mentally tough, totally focused and prepared to give the best performance of your sporting life to date, is the price you should be prepared to pay; in return for lifetime recognition, with established friendships, which again will be yours for life. One for all and all for one - this has to be it.
Lawrence Smyth county PRO
Sunday the 19th July, is to be the day when the 'might' of Tyrone can expect to face a level of competition like none other, on Irish soil.
Maybe he's thinking back to that game in the skydome?
Thanks for the bold O'Neill...I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Reminds me of the "Give My Head Peace" episode where they go to the States and they meet the priest who still has a rather romantic view of Republicanism...something like "Do the waves still flow round Galway Bay...do the sweet colleens etc" :D
If it comes to pass, he'll get a Nobel.
Quote from: Will Hunting on July 16, 2009, 10:19:54 AM
Sunday the 19th July, is to be the day when the 'might' of Tyrone can expect to face a level of competition like none other, on Irish soil.
Maybe he's thinking back to that game in the skydome?
Maybe he's refering to the Scunthorpe-soiled Croke Park. If so, it's a nasty dig at Antrim!
All very touching indeed.
I'll give Mickey a ring and see what he can do.
What's the price for an Antrim win again?
It will be a colourful day in Clones & unfortunately I can't make it as I have the daughter's christening.
Hope there is no trouble on the way to or back from the match for those yellow flag bearers.
I'd say Portadown might be stocking up on stones.
OK I know they say a fool and his money are easily parted, but I've gone for it, this is a once in every 39 years chance...Antrim to win by 1,2, or 3 points 14/1 £20 bet. A new fur coat for Mrs Ladbroke come 3:45pm on Sunday ;D
Des Cahill chatting to Mickey Harte last night after 19 mins talking about admitting Tyrone are red hot favourites.
http://www.rte.ie/radio1/podcast/podcast_drivetimesport.xml (http://www.rte.ie/radio1/podcast/podcast_drivetimesport.xml)
Can anyone post any of the other articles in the Irish News today?
I hope big Sean has a good game on Sunday
KEVIN Hughes remembers the game well. Nine points behind minutes into the second half, the Ulster final of 2003 looked over. Down thought they were champions, that was until a
miraculous recovery and a bit of magic from 'Peter the Great' stole the show and, more importantly, salvaged a draw.
The replay was a non-event. Tyrone swept to victory and, eight weeks later, would add their first Sam Maguire to the Anglo-Celt they had hoisted aloft that day in Clones.
The rest, as they say, is history.
But still, it's that first game, that comeback, that sticks in Kevin Hughes' memory.
It was then that Tyrone really started to believe anything was possible.
As he looks ahead to Sunday's date with surprise Ulster finalists Antrim, the Kileeshil clubman, known to team-mates as 'Hub' is well aware that one game can change a team's imprint on history.
Hughes senses in the Saffron side he will face at St Tiernach's Park on Sunday the same mix of youthful verve and hunger that drove the Red Hand side he was such a crucial part of six years ago.
"Mickey always stressed the need to win things, right through from minors, and when he came on to the scene in 2003, he was very positive from the off, saying that he expected to win two or three All-Irelands with this team over the next decade," he said.
"Although we wanted to believe him, you always thought, because Sligo had beat us in the Qualifiers in 2002, and we hadn't had a great
Ulster campaign that year either, that it would be a tough ask.
"However, once we came back from nine points down in the Ulster final to get a draw, it made us believe that we could do it, and then we went out and won the replay convincingly.
"That instilled the belief in the players on the panel. It was a major turning point."
And they haven't looked back since. With three All-Irelands in six years, the Red Hands are looking ominously good again in 2009.
Having already disposed of Ulster heavyweights Armagh and Derry, Tyrone surely can't believe their luck as they come up against an Antrim side who, although mightily improved, have only just got out of Division Four and were humbled by Cavan at the first hurdle last year.
Hughes is having none of it.
"At the start of the year, before a ball was kicked, if you'd said Antrim were going to be in the final, you'd have to say you'd have been
surprised. But they've come through the League and Championship and had only been beaten once [against Sligo in the NFL Division Four final], so you have to give them a lot of credit. They've probably one of the best records in the country this year to date.
"Watching them in Ballybofey, people talked about the amount of wides Donegal kicked, but if a team is putting you under that much pressure, that's how you kick wides. Antrim were working hard, and the same happened against Cavan. They totally deserved their win."
It has been a long road back to the top of his game for Hughes, though. Having been named man-of-the-match in the 2003 All-Ireland final win over bitter rivals Armagh, a self-imposed exile in 2005 (he took a year out in Australia) meant he watched from afar as the Red Hands laid claim to their second title in three years.
Last year, Hughes played only a substitute's role in both the semi-final win over Wexford and the final against Kerry, and admits he feared whether he would be able to establish
himself as the hub of Mickey Harte's first 15 again.
"It definitely was a concern because, probably before that, apart from 2005 when I wasn't here, I would have been steady enough on the team. Last year I picked up a dead leg in the Down game, I was only out for a few weeks, and although I regained full fitness after that, other boys had stepped up. It was really worrying that way.
"I felt I could play if I got a chance. You always tend to get a chance one way or another, whether it be somebody getting injured or whatever.
"I got the chance against Westmeath and was determined to grab it with both hands, and luckily I've stayed there since.
"This time last year, I was fit enough, but I hadn't as many games under my belt. The first game against Down, I wasn't at the races at all, and I think that was down to not having enough match practice. You can be as fit as you like, but you have to get time out on the field to make sure your ball skills are sharp enough."
He needn't have worried.
Utterly dominant around the middle third in the Ulster Championship semi-final against Derry, Hughes reminded Tyrone supporters of what they had been missing.
"I was pretty pleased, it was just one of those days where things went well. In the modern game, there's not always a lot of clean catching, so it was nice to get a few of them because myself and Enda [McGinley] wouldn't be the tallest midfield.
"We always play with one man jumping, so when I was going up Enda was trying to get in the way of Joe Diver, because if Joe gets a run at it, he's very dominant in their air.
"Things went well, but other days it can go completely against you. We were happy to break even with our share in midfield."
With towering midfielder Niall McKeever lying in wait on Sunday, Hughes knows he will have to be at his best again.
"They have a good mix. Aodhan Gallagher is extremely fit, a good carrier of the ball who can get a few points, and then there's Niall McKeever who's a big lad, very dominant in the air.
"Against Cavan he took some great balls, and he's good on the ball as well.
"He's not just one of those players who catches and kicks. But if we win our fair share of breaking ball as well, it should be an interesting contest."
So, six years on, a new force threatens to make its mark on Ulster football.
In that time, Tyrone have established themselves as the benchmark for success, and on Sunday they will be determined to ensure the Saffron story comes to an abrupt end.
Irish News.
I hope the beard doesn't name McGinley at midfield tonight and him not playing. That'll take all the sport out of guessing team selection.
Can anyone shed any light on the admission price for sunday?
Stand: €25/£20
Terrace: €15/£13
Family tickets (Pat McGrane and Eastern Stands) - Juveniles: €5/£4 Adults: €25/£20
Senior Citizen (Stand): €15/£13
Thanks.
Quote from: Siggy on July 16, 2009, 05:11:45 PM
Thanks.
Just to remind you Siggy, the match is all ticket
GReat piece by the Antrim PRO!!
Quote from: hardstation on July 15, 2009, 11:54:31 PM
Ziggy, what shite are you talking (copying and pasting)?
just a typical post all he does is talk s**** and puke women!
Quote from: charlie stubbs on July 16, 2009, 06:18:17 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 15, 2009, 11:54:31 PM
Ziggy, what shite are you talking (copying and pasting)?
just a typical post all he does is talk s**** and puke women!
Typical post, botching and moaning.
good one ::)
http://edition.pagesuite-professional.co.uk/Launch.aspx?referral=other&refresh=9x1LwG8016fR&PBID=e09c0a44-0914-4594-944c-6e8cfe6e99b2&skip=
Tyrone: J Devine, PJ Quinn, Justin McMahon, R McMenamin, D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan, K Hughes, S Cavanagh, B Dooher, T McGuigan, Joe McMahan, M Penrose, S O'Neill, O Mulligan.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/the_championship/7840419.stm
Right, so Sean back where he loves. Dooher starts.
Nothing surprising there, and could just be the kick-start that Seán Cav's campaign needs. Between himself, Joey & Kevin Hub we should be OK in that particular sector (too).
Paddy Hands to get the full-on Ricey Championship experience.
Quote from: ONeill on July 16, 2009, 08:06:43 PM
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Good stuff. Liked the McErlean piece. Nothing like the old pre big match supplement to get you in the mood for the game.
As for the Tyrone side, no real surprises were expected. I would have perhaps thought McCullagh or Brian McGuigan would have been more urgent of need in game time than Dooher but they aren't bad options to have on the line and good to see that Joey's ribs cleared up in time.
Quote from: hardstation on July 16, 2009, 09:18:22 PM
I'd have thought PJ Quinn on Hands and Ricey picking up Tomas McCann a bit further out the field.
Nothing to do with marking.
Where was that Antrim PRO when the Patron Saint of Lost Causes was about (St Jude), he could have done him out of a beatification.
was reading a piece from baker saying he has something special for Tyrone hope this is the plan that kick starts us to the win ;D but to be honest i can't see antrim changing from the plan of defending in numbers with O'Neill being a seventh back think Burke will leave early for niblock. great footballer who could be the difference but has had problems with his ankle
head says Tyrone
heart says antrim
always follow your heart
antrim by 2
Quote from: feel the buzz on July 16, 2009, 09:29:39 PM
was reading a piece from baker saying he has something special for Tyrone
Intriguing. Michaela's his new physio?
Drove from Belfast to Strabane tonight and saw two Tyrone-bedecked premises - Kelly's at Garvaghey and O'Neill's in Strabane. Thought Newtonstewart had the flags out but they were NI ones.
I'd say Mickey is starting Brian Dooher to have the captain lead the team out for the occasion that's in it, and not plan for him to play seventy minutes.
Quote from: ONeill on July 16, 2009, 09:15:58 PM
Paddy Hands to get the full-on Ricey Championship experience.
Aye, roasting the only obvious weak link in the Tyrone team ;)
Quote from: feel the buzz on July 16, 2009, 09:29:39 PM
was reading a piece from baker saying he has something special for Tyrone hope this is the plan that kick starts us to the win ;D but to be honest i can't see antrim changing from the plan of defending in numbers with O'Neill being a seventh back think Burke will leave early for niblock. great footballer who could be the difference but has had problems with his ankle
head says Tyrone
heart says antrim
always follow your heart
antrim by 2
A bold prediction in his first post by the debut boy Buzz ;)
Quote from: Rois on July 16, 2009, 09:51:59 PM
Drove from Belfast to Strabane tonight and saw two Tyrone-bedecked premises - Kelly's at Garvaghey and O'Neill's in Strabane. Thought Newtonstewart had the flags out but they were NI ones.
Did you go right through the town Rois? I'd say Teach Joe and a few of the others are well bedecked (they're bedecked every other day of the year, match or not).
Hmmm I did go past it but didn't notice so it may very well have had the flags flying.
A right few Antrim flags to be seen throughout west Belfast which is nice to see.
It would be a foolish person to say the advantage doesn't lie with Tyrone and that if Antrim can stay within a 12 point hammering that they will have done well... or at least that's what every journalist would have been saying if they had envisaged this final - I think that the Baker has it in him to surprise us all and Tyronies especially. It was obvious on Antrim's last day out that their determination is in the right place. All it really takes on the day is a few lucky ones from Antrim and who knows what will happen :)
Mickey Harte isn't taking Antrim for granted. This will boil down to a conflict between the baker and MH on the line, I think anyway. Bradley has done more with Antrim than Antrim men have in the last 10 years.
Quote from: ONeill on July 16, 2009, 10:11:07 AM
I'll have what he's having:#
Opportunity knocks.
The opportunity of a lifetime has come for Antrim football.
It must be seized within the short lifetime of that opportunity.
Clichés aside, seventy minutes is the lifetime of this immediate opportunity – let there be no mistake or misunderstanding about this.
Stones, pounds, even ounces have been shed, by Antrim Senior footballers, during a rigorous preparation and training season like none other. In lesser measure but certainly for the greater good, ounces and pounds of toned muscle tissue have totally displaced and replaced much of those former fatty deposits. Antrim Senior Footballers, of 2009, are a credit to themselves and to those they work with, for their present state of readiness and physical fitness.
However, it will take all this and more, to complete this journey, about which they could only dream, at the beginning of the current season. One day at a time, they set about a daunting task. To even suggest the possibility of such achievement, at outset, was to invite ridicule, but that is of no consequence today. What is however, entirely significant is that having come thus far, that nothing conceivable should be allowed to impede the progress to completion of a golden period in Antrim GAA history; a period hitherto unprecedented and unsurpassed.
Sunday the 19th July, is to be the day when the 'might' of Tyrone can expect to face a level of competition like none other, on Irish soil. Antrim senior footballers have well prepared for this day, their day, and will not be denied. Blood sweat and tears have been shed, in plenty, in preparation for this challenge; this is now in essence a premier Gaelic football team, at its seasonal peak, albeit starved of recognition or just reward.
For all too many generations Antrim, as a Gaa footballing county, has failed to prepare, as a whole panel, at the demanding levels otherwise pertaining to success. In consequence they have repeatedly failed to achieve, to the very point of being stigmatised as a county, seemingly unable to deliver. And yet again, paradoxically, this present panel, with each and every success or achievement to date, has had to bear the brunt of a raft of excuses for opponent failure; where such excuses invariably seemed to outnumber credits.
For 70 minutes or more, this Ulster Championship Final should be different. This Antrim panel now has something to prove, first and foremost to themselves. They are in reality, conditioned warriors, truly worthy of winning. Collectively they have the skills, the stamina and the determination to conquer.
They have also this long awaited seventy minute opportunity of a lifetime. For that same seventy minutes they must combine their talents and demonstrate definitively, to all and sundry, that they really are a team which will not accept defeat in the Ulster championship of 2009. Every minute must be made to count; every pain endured.
The level of support, now rowed in behind these Antrim athletes, is something which has never been seen in this county before; The proud display of saffron truly is a joyous site and has been for long overdue. The net effect should be a positive one on Sunday. Tyrone, to its credit, has already had its fair share of Gaa sunshine; still they are both a selfish and a proud county and would, if let, take all :]
Let this be the day, when Antrim Gaels, men and women of all ages, openly and unashamedly cry their tears of joy, for the restoration of Gaelic pride in their own county. Let this be the day when a sea of saffron makes a clear statement of intent and feeds our children and again our children's children, with a true sense of belonging, to a proud Irish Nation. These are high aspirations; they are also and at long last, well within reach.
Monday cannot be a day of excuses; we have been there far too many times before. By contrast, Monday and the days and weeks immediately afterwards, can and should be joyful days of unprecedented celebration for Antrim Gaels; make it be.
As for you, the players and the entire panel, you have put in the long hard hours of preparation; seventy more minutes, of being mentally tough, totally focused and prepared to give the best performance of your sporting life to date, is the price you should be prepared to pay; in return for lifetime recognition, with established friendships, which again will be yours for life. One for all and all for one - this has to be it.
Lawrence Smyth county PRO
That would be a very stirring speach, can you give that to the Antrim boys in the dressing room? As long as we ( Antrim ) do our best and enjoy the day thats good enough for me. :)
Here, what's up with SS2? Uncharacteristically quiet on such a momentus week.
Looking at it in the cold light of day, was Antrim's half of the draw this season any handier than Monaghan's half of the draw in 2007? Someone mentioned this week that Tyrone don't do complacency - they almost came a cropper that day in front of an equally fired up and partisan crowd.
Quote from: hardstation on July 16, 2009, 10:42:35 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 16, 2009, 10:39:19 PM
Here, what's up with SS2? Uncharacteristically quiet on such a momentus week.
Thought that myself. The rumours of his demise may not have been greatly exaggerated.
Has it dawned on him that he still owes us all a pint from his no-show in Fruithill for the Derry-Tyrone game?
Will there be many buckfast drinkers in clones at the weekend?
Quote from: fred the red on July 16, 2009, 11:10:46 PM
Will there be many buckfast drinkers in clones at the weekend?
If Buckfast is your thing, I suggest the Paragon.
This is Tyrone's 13th Ulster Final in my lifetime.
1980 - Don't remember it. Was probably playing with the goat. LOST
1984 - Listened to it on the wireless. Remember all the talk of McGuigan. Recall the embarrassment of the Dubs. WON
1986 - Listened to it whilst playing in some summer football thing. WON
1988 - Attended it. Cranney denied us a penalty. Nudie scored the winner. Men said they'd kill the ref. LOST
1989 - Recall straining my neck on the hill to see Conway's equaliser. Better seats for the stroll in the sun replay. DRAW. WON.
1994 - Again, listened on a wireless whilst playing in some school summer thingybob. LOST
1995 - Watched it in Brittany. WON
1996 - Gerry Arthurs. Wet I think. Horns were the fad. WON
2001 - Gerry again. Cavan raised a few eyebrows at half time. WON
2003 - Behind the goals Peter scored the penalty into. Some emotions that day. Watched the wet replay at home. DRAW. WON
2005 - Watched from the press area in Croke. Sunny day. Listened to the replay in France from car. DRAW. LOST
2007 - Minded the childer. WON
2009 ?
ATTENDED: W3 D3 L1
DIDN'T: W5 D0 L3
No pattern.
I'm applicable with ONeill.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 16, 2009, 11:43:50 PM
I'm applicable with ONeill.
Ziggy is English your first language?
A fearsome sight - Tyrone's subs for Sunday:
16 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
17 Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
18 Aidan Cassidy Eochar
19 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
20 Niall Gormley Trí Leac
21 Ciarán Gourley An Charraig
22 Colin Holmes Na Clairsigh
23 Damian McCaul An Domhnach Mór
24 Colm McCullagh An Droim Mhór
25 Michael McGee Loch Mhic Ruiairí
26 Enda McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
27 Brian McGuigan Ard Bó
28 Raymond Mulgrew An Chorra Chríochach
29 Sean O'Neill An Droim Mhór
30 Martin Swift Coill an Chlochair
I hurt my brain trying to work that out.
Here, has Paddy Cunningham a GCSE in Irish, just in case?
Is maith liom an Anglo-Celt ach is fearr liom St Galls.
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2009, 12:02:33 AM
I hurt my brain trying to work that out.
Here, has Paddy Cunningham a GCSE in Irish, just in case?
Is maith liom an Anglo-Celt ach is fearr liom St Galls.
Shouldn't that be is fuath liom St Galls?
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 17, 2009, 12:06:03 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2009, 12:02:33 AM
I hurt my brain trying to work that out.
Here, has Paddy Cunningham a GCSE in Irish, just in case?
Is maith liom an Anglo-Celt ach is fearr liom St Galls.
Shouldn't that be is fuath liom St Galls?
You haven't heard the stories!
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 17, 2009, 12:06:03 AM
Shouldn't that be is fuath liom St Galls?
Ar a laghad!
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2009, 12:14:59 AM
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 17, 2009, 12:06:03 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2009, 12:02:33 AM
I hurt my brain trying to work that out.
Here, has Paddy Cunningham a GCSE in Irish, just in case?
Is maith liom an Anglo-Celt ach is fearr liom St Galls.
Shouldn't that be is fuath liom St Galls?
You haven't heard the stories!
:o Obviously not!
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 17, 2009, 12:02:18 AM
A fearsome sight - Tyrone's subs for Sunday:
16 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
17 Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
18 Aidan Cassidy Eochar
19 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
20 Niall Gormley Trí Leac
21 Ciarán Gourley An Charraig
22 Colin Holmes Na Clairsigh
23 Damian McCaul An Domhnach Mór
24 Colm McCullagh An Droim Mhór
25 Michael McGee Loch Mhic Ruiairí
26 Enda McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
27 Brian McGuigan Ard Bó
28 Raymond Mulgrew An Chorra Chríochach
29 Sean O'Neill An Droim Mhór
30 Martin Swift Coill an Chlochair
looks like these 3 forwards havent even made the panel of 30:
shaun o'neill
gareth devlin
ryan mellon
if they were from antrim what numbers would they have?
I believe Mellon has a bit of a long-term niggle.
Can Antrim's underdogs come out of the darkness?
By Matthew McCreary
Gaelic football fans across the province are gearing up for a David v Goliath clash this weekend as Tyrone and Antrim go head-to-head in the Ulster Championship Final.
Sunday's game at Clones promises to have drama in spades as current All-Ireland champions Tyrone take the fight to their underdog rivals, who have not played in an Ulster final in almost 40 years.
The last time Antrim won the title in 1951 the Korean War was in full swing and Nat King Cole was at the top of the music charts.
Despite the massive challenge ahead, however, the Antrim entourage are hopeful that their team might just pull off an historic upset.
"It's been a long gap, probably far too long," said John McSparran, chairman of Antrim County Board.
"We're delighted at the astronomical progress that's been made this year, it augurs well for the future for football in Antrim."
Tyrone will be a daunting prospect for a Saffrons side that last contested an Ulster final in 1970, when they lost to Derry.
"There's no doubt Tyrone will be raging hot favourites for this game, Antrim players have nothing to lose in that regard," said Mr McSparran.
"(Antrim's) presence in the Ulster final is merited in terms of the results that they have achieved.
"Credit has to go to the management team, who have galvanised the players to produce the results that they have achieved this year.
"Getting promotion from Division Four of the National League was certainly a major factor in giving the lads a bit of confidence."
And Mr McSparran said the mood among fans was one of "absolute euphoria".
"They're absolutely delighted at being there, expectations are hopeful at this stage," he said.
With a young team and a young captain in Paddy Cunningham, Antrim can expect a stiff challenge in spite of their path to the final, which saw them defeat Donegal and Cavan.
And Tyrone are firm favourites with bookmakers Paddy Power, who are offering odds of 1/14 for them to win, compared with 8/1 for Antrim.
Tyrone County Board member Damian Harvey said the team would not be taking anything for granted this weekend.
"It's a unique occasion for Tyrone to be playing Antrim in an Ulster final," he said.
"They're coming into the match as underdogs but we've been very impressed with their last two games and we'll be expecting them to put it up to us on Sunday.
"They have a very good management team and will be very well prepared. Antrim are going into the game with nothing to lose and are capable of causing enough problems on Sunday to make it very difficult for us.
"I think the boys will be very well-prepared and ready for it. It's just another hurdle, they're preparing for Antrim the same way they prepared for Armagh and Derry beforehand. They're very focused on what's going to be required to overcome Antrim."
Danny Murphy, provincial director of Ulster GAA, said the final would be an "intriguing" match.
"I would expect a fairly close contest," he said.
"While you'd have to favour the All-Ireland champions in these events, if Antrim play to the level that they have to date then they can cause a considerable upset."
Tyrone's prowess on the pitch, having won the All-Ireland three times in the last six years, will also ensure a 'David and Goliath' fixture on Sunday.
"The whole Antrim team will be new to this level of competition," said Mr Murphy.
"Tyrone on the other hand have been there, they'll not be going in with any lack of experience.
"This is the occasion that everyone builds towards from the start of the campaign. When it comes to this stage of the year people like to have the provincial championship under their belt before they go forward into the All-Ireland series.
"It's a big contest and while both teams will hopefully give it their best, it will be a huge test for Antrim."
Backroom boy Ray recalls his landmark game 39 years ago
Success for Antrim on Sunday would have a special significance for Ray McIlroy, who recalls playing in the Saffrons' last Ulster Championship Final against Derry in 1970.
Reminiscing back 39 years to the game, Ray said: "Derry beat us by four points that day, but hopefully it will be a success story for Antrim on Sunday.
"We were a young team, with seven of us from the under-21 team who won the All- Ireland in 1969.
"Back then game play was different. The ball was passed to the forwards and they were expected to get the goals.
"Now, it's a 15-man game. Positions count for little and potentially everyone is capable of scoring."
Comparing the hype surrounding the current final with that of 1970, Ray said: "It was a lot lower key then. There were no cameras and Press about.
"At training on Monday night at least three reporters and two TV stations turned up.
"The media interest is different. Liam Bradley will have to get the boys back down to earth before Sunday."
As one of Antrim's backroom men, Ray has secured himself the best seat in Clones for his team's landmark game against Tyrone.
"I am going to be right at the corner of the pitch taking a video," said Ray.
"Although TV crews will be there, we like to have our own footage, which team manager Liam Bradley uses to analyse the play."
Despite Antrim being obvious underdogs against a strong Tyrone side who have won three All-Ireland finals, Ray is confident in Antrim's ability to triumph on Sunday.
"The boys have trained hard and put the work in. They are a stronger 15 than we had in 1970," he said.
"They are playing the current All-Ireland champions, effectively the best team in Ireland.
"More pressure is on Tyrone as the current title-holders. Our lads can just go out and enjoy themselves.
"However, hopefully they will get some breaks in the game.
"Sometimes referee decisions can go against you and we're hoping Tyrone are not in their best form."
Flags and banners are being put up in towns and villages right across Co Antrim in support of the team and over 10,000 tickets have been allocated for the big game.
"It's very exciting, the atmosphere about the county is just great," said Ray.
"It's nice to see youngsters and older ones wearing their county top with pride.
"Support will also be there from our neighbouring GAA counties as well."
Even if they lose the Ulster final, Liam Bradley's boys will find themselves in the last round of the qualifiers — but that's something they are particularly keen to avoid.
"Hopefully we will be celebrating. The drive up from Clones is better craic when you win."
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/can-antrimrsquos-underdogs-come-out-of-the-darkness-14412927.html
Rumours abound of Mulgrew's defection too, but glad to see him named.
Quote from: clarshack on July 17, 2009, 12:28:59 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 17, 2009, 12:02:18 AM
A fearsome sight - Tyrone's subs for Sunday:
16 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
17 Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
18 Aidan Cassidy Eochar
19 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
20 Niall Gormley Trí Leac
21 Ciarán Gourley An Charraig
22 Colin Holmes Na Clairsigh
23 Damian McCaul An Domhnach Mór
24 Colm McCullagh An Droim Mhór
25 Michael McGee Loch Mhic Ruiairí
26 Enda McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
27 Brian McGuigan Ard Bó
28 Raymond Mulgrew An Chorra Chríochach
29 Sean O'Neill An Droim Mhór
30 Martin Swift Coill an Chlochair
looks like these 3 forwards havent even made the panel of 30:
shaun o'neill
gareth devlin
ryan mellon
I would have thought Mellon would have been a better option than Nial Gormley, Colin Holmes or Aidan Cassidy.
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I would have thought Mellon would have been a better option than Nial Gormley, Colin Holmes or Aidan Cassidy.
He would but we're a wash with Half forwards and that's where he likes to be..same with Mulgrew if Fear's rumour is indeed correct :-\
The millies are ready for Clones ;)
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Quote from: Tyrones own on July 17, 2009, 01:49:04 AM
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I would have thought Mellon would have been a better option than Nial Gormley, Colin Holmes or Aidan Cassidy.
He would but we're a wash with Half forwards and that's where he likes to be..same with Mulgrew if Fear's rumour is indeed correct :-\
Harte just names the subs in Alphabetical order and everyone that is fit togs out anyway. Not sure for certain if your not named in the 30 you cant be used though?
Good to see McCaul back amongst the subs. He has made a quick enough recovery after a cruciate.
Very strong looking panel. Tyrone are in much better health at this stage this year than last when Mickey felt he needed to play Dooher and Brian McGuigan from the start of every game to boost a flagging side. However the championship is really only clicking into gear from here on and hopefully Tyrone are as well.
Sunday's game will be very interesting.
Antrim's half back line seems to be the driving force behind their team, they are very, very good on the front foot. Not so sure how good they are on the back foot though and Scullion in particular, they may get away ok in Clones but will be interesting to see how they get on in Croker on down the line if they see action there.
Their midfield has done reasonably well so far but the switch of Cavanagh to his more favoured position may spark him to life. Hub will produce a significantly greater mobile and very physical presence than anything Gallagher or McKeever have faced thus far.
Up front the 2 McCanns are quality players but Cunningham and Brady are there to be exploited. Brady was a very good player but he seems to have lost a bit of the pace he once had and seems to struggle to beat his man more often looking to offload the ball as opposed to take his man on. Cunningham is a fabulous place kicker but seems to struggle from open play, wouldnt be at all surprised to see Ricey pick him up and look to attack at every opportunity.
Quote from: hardstation on July 16, 2009, 11:42:52 PM
This is Antrim's 1st Ulster final in my lifetime.
2009 ?
ATTENDED: n/a
DIDN'T: n/a
No pattern.
This is Antrim's 2nd final in my lifetime
1970 - Didn't go...LOST
Pattern - when I don't attend Antrim lose...will be there on Sunday - WIN!
I haven't seen the tyrone first 15 but just the subs on this page. Even they look scary enough!
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 17, 2009, 10:32:02 AM
I haven't seen the tyrone first 15 but just the subs on this page. Even they look scary enough!
imtommygunn...sure if they were any good they'd be on the team :o
Brian Dooher was a sub for the last 2 games - sure he mustn't be any good.
Its great to see Dooher back on the starting team for the ulster final. There was talk at different times during the year that he wasn't going to make it back. The man puts in some effort to get back. Do people think this will be his last year? If (and its a big if) Tyrone won the all ireland could he be tempted back?
Put my Tyrone all ireland winning flag up on the top of the telegraph pole yesterday evening. (Must get a decent ladder) As the man says "HERE WE GO AGAIN" ;D
Good interview with McGinley:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/the_championship/7840419.stm
Very dissappointed that there is not one Antrim flag in the Short Strand. Are they all Down people or soccer boys?
I did see an Armagh top a couple of months ago. The poor fella must have been lost.
Quote from: Orior on July 17, 2009, 12:41:53 PM
Very dissappointed that there is not one Antrim flag in the Short Strand. Are they all Down people or soccer boys?
I did see an Armagh top a couple of months ago. The poor fella must have been lost.
Technically in Co Down...no club down there?? I suppose the nearest is St Malachy's in Markets/Lower Ormeau area??
Some coverage in today's Irish News and Gaelic Life. Antrim would need to pull out a performance now.
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2009, 01:47:16 PM
Some coverage in today's Irish News and Gaelic Life. Antrim would need to pull out a performance now.
Do I detect virtual sweaty palms O'Neill? ;)
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2009, 01:47:16 PM
Some coverage in today's Irish News and Gaelic Life. Antrim would need to pull out a performance now.
Whats Brolly's take on proceedings O'Neill?
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on July 17, 2009, 02:10:02 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2009, 01:47:16 PM
Some coverage in today's Irish News and Gaelic Life. Antrim would need to pull out a performance now.
Whats Brolly's take on proceedings O'Neill?
After he describes how Paddy Bradley is a genius, Eoin Bradley is a genius, Baker is a genius and has another dig at Cavanagh (his 3rd in 4 weeks), he reckons Tyrone will win.
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on July 17, 2009, 02:07:52 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2009, 01:47:16 PM
Some coverage in today's Irish News and Gaelic Life. Antrim would need to pull out a performance now.
Do I detect virtual sweaty palms O'Neill? ;)
Catch a grip of yourself. It'll be over at half time!
These teams are not even on the same planet. Tyrone will not be tested and will win by at least 10 points without engaging 3rd gear! Antrim will enjoy their day out and will have it in mind that they have another game anyway. They can get the Tyrone boys autographs after the game ;)
I'd been cagey this last couple weeks, saying Tyrone will win, but not by much. However as Sunday approaches, I realise I'm basing that on some romanic notion about the Ulster Final and Antrim being sleeping giants. Maybe they are sleeping giants, but if they're like me after a long sleep, they'll be stretching and not right awake for a bit. Tyrone to win by 10+.
Antrim will learn a lot from the game and make it to the 1/4 quarter finals and give her a right old rattle next year.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 17, 2009, 02:44:58 PM
I'd been cagey this last couple weeks, saying Tyrone will win, but not by much. However as Sunday approaches, I realise I'm basing that on some romanic notion about the Ulster Final and Antrim being sleeping giants. Maybe they are sleeping giants, but if they're like me after a long sleep, they'll be stretching and not right awake for a bit. Tyrone to win by 10+.
Antrim will learn a lot from the game and make it to the 1/4 quarter finals and give her a right old rattle next year.
A one point win will do rightly ziggy :)
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on July 17, 2009, 03:17:47 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 17, 2009, 02:44:58 PM
I'd been cagey this last couple weeks, saying Tyrone will win, but not by much. However as Sunday approaches, I realise I'm basing that on some romanic notion about the Ulster Final and Antrim being sleeping giants. Maybe they are sleeping giants, but if they're like me after a long sleep, they'll be stretching and not right awake for a bit. Tyrone to win by 10+.
Antrim will learn a lot from the game and make it to the 1/4 quarter finals and give her a right old rattle next year.
A one point win will do rightly ziggy :)
No not at all. Aim for a 12 point win, but let it backfire and get beat by 3 points.
I'm going to say it'll be a draw. And i might even stick a sneaky tenner on it at that - anyone seen the prices?
Saturday 27th June 2009
"You spend your life waiting for a moment that just don't come.
Well don't waste your time waiting"
Bruce Springsteen – Badlands
The Boss, it would appear, like myself, occasionally gets things wrong.
Many people have asked how I felt when the final whistle went in Clones that balmy Saturday evening. A plethora of emotions ran through my mind and strangely none of them were elation. The immediate feeling was a hint of anti-climax; it was clear from half an hour out that the Cavan team didn't have the wherewithal to compete with the tigerish Saffrons. The anti-climax in turn gave way to feelings of pride at how this young Antrim team performed, followed by an intense sadness for the dead generations; the men of '71 to '08 who never had the opportunity to grace Ulster final day – men whose fate was largely beyond their control. I pondered a while on the reasons for their failures – the Troubles, leading to murder, incarceration and intimidation; officials within the county who badly let Antrim Gaels down with their mismanagement; some of the players and management themselves; petty inter-nicene club feuding; the sausage roll bap; John Bannon; having to play teams with better players. This sadness gave way to a furious anger at those responsible for the demise of the once great Saffrons and the knowledge that some of the worst of the feckers would be sitting in the best seats, eating their Milky Bars, in Clones. And anger at twits like the boy who was supporting Donegal because some whackfuck hurling match was called off. And finally reality. Yes, we are in an Ulster final, but the reality remains it is more by accident than design. Not like the Dubs and their Leinster hurling final appearance. And the reality that we would be playing Tyrone, the team of the decade, the team of the millennium and we would most likely receive an almighty tanking. And more reality, a week later a last twelve appearance against possibly Kerry or Meath and the end of the journey. And the reality too, that like Springsteen, I didn't spend my life waiting for the moment that just don't come – so like any self-respecting Saffron Gael I had my holiday booked to coincide with the Ulster final. Can you get RTE in Ballyhornan?
And then, and only then, did the elation hit. Antrim were in the last 12 of this year's All-Ireland series. Anyone would have taken that in January. So to sate my elation I had a couple of glasses of a more than decent pinot noir.
Sunday 19th July 2009
"Until, on Vinegar Hill, the fatal conclave.
Terraced thousands died, shaking scythes at cannon."
Seamus Heaney- Requiem for the Croppies
There will be an unshakeable pride when Hands leads the Antrim senior football team in the pre-match parade, behind him marching in grim array, a stalwart, earnest band. It's great that we're there, but it is hard not to make the comparison between Baker's squad and Heaney's croppies.
I get the impression from many Tyrone folk, including one of the current squad, that 2009 is more important than even 2003 ever was. There is an appetite both for back to back All-Irelands and a front door win – it's almost as if they don't think most of their All-Irelands are real All-Irelands because they were won through the back door. That, coupled with a near full-strength team and an immensely strong squad (all their subs would make the Antrim team, but not the Derry team) fighting for places at the business end of the seasons means there isn't a mission of any sympathy for the Saffrons, no feet will be taken off the pedal. We could get hammered.
As for tactics, I don't see the point in playing Cruncher as a sweeper. Derry tried it in the semi-final and Tyrone ate and shit them. Now, if they can do that to Derry (a better team than Antrim – no Antrim man would make the Derry starting line-up. Apart from the McGoldricks who are only Derry men because the London companies wanted control of both sides of the Bann as it entered the sea.), they will do it against Antrim also. I think you have to go man for man against Tyrone and be prepared to sacrifice two men to mark the Dooher and Cavanagh. By man-marking I don't mean the sledging, nipping, testicle fondling beloved of the Bushmen; I mean having athletes who can compete physically, within the rules. I would propose Scud and Locky for these roles. If the £200 a night man lines out at midfield there has to be a change there also. Gaga and Skippy were immense against Cavan, but Skip doesn't have the engine to compete with Hub or Bung. I also think that Hughes' good form this year may have as much to do with the paucity of his opponents; I like the way Gaga has been talking the talk and walking the walk this year, he could get the better of Hughes. I would play Cruncher as a genuine half back, move Scud to Cavanagh and Skip to pick up McMahon.
I would love to have seen Red Dog start and hope that it's not too much pressure on the relatively untried Norton. The real gunner has proved to be a decent man marker this year and I would be fairly confident of him against Penrose. Fig has the strength and ability to work with O'Neill, but does chance his arm a wee bit with his tackling. Cruncher uses the ball well, but sometimes brings it into contact when he doesn't need to; Tyrone will destroy him if he does this against them.
Up front, it's hard to see Burke (who has only played two matches as the double F ever) get much change out of McMahon (current All-Star full back) or Hands get any change out of the questionable McMenamin. The bulk of expectation from the forwards will come from a rejuvenated forward gunner and the McCanns, but it's hard to see enough scores coming from this triumvirate. I would have been inclined to start Nibblecock, there is no point in holding anyone back as an impact sub – you have to hit Tyrone with everything for the first whistle.
Antrim need absolutely everything going in their favour to have a chance and I mean everything. Is there any chance that we could get a different county song for Sunday – one that isn't the "Green Glens Of Antrim"? Two reasons why I propose this. Firstly, there is no history of football in the Glens? Who was the last Glensman to play for the footballers? Granted, there is a crude variant of football played in Ballycastle (slightly less crude than their variation on hurling), but the "Glens" is as relevant to an Antrim footballer as "God Save The Queen" [of England] is.
Secondly, it is crap. Pure, unadulterated, maudlin, wrist-slitting dung. Tyrone are regaled with the tale of an outlawed man in a land forlorn who kept the cause freedom high on the mountains of Pomeroy – we get the gay honeysuckle luring the bee. The nonsense would be a long time putting fire in anyone's belly. Besides who ever wrote is not at all well travelled – if Cushendall is the one place that can outshine any other, I doubt if you've been a mile from the curfew tower, let alone far across yonder blue.
Replace it with Roddy McCorley. Any song that can move Meath men to bull cattle must have its merits, but there is more to it than that. Toomebridge is as hot a hot bed for football as there is in the county. The tragic tale of McCorley (the stout hearted underdog against the might of the hated yeomanry) has obvious parallels with Antrim's current task. If it is too late for the scouts to learn a new tune, get it on the boys' ipods and play it non-stop from now to 2:00pm on Sunday. And make sure it's a Tommy Makem version.
We won't win; we may not even get close. We will compete. Just make sure that this isn't a single swallow, a false dawn or a red herring. There must be no barley growing from the unmarked graves. What happens after the final is more important than what happens during it.
Aontroim abu.
Tyrone 3-17
Antrim 0-5
Quote from: EC Unique on July 17, 2009, 02:41:32 PM
These teams are not even on the same planet. Tyrone will not be tested and will win by at least 10 points without engaging 3rd gear! Antrim will enjoy their day out and will have it in mind that they have another game anyway. They can get the Tyrone boys autographs after the game ;)
Sean's available for €100 or £90stg ;)
Gonna be logging off soon for the weekend. Best of luck to the Saffrons. Give it a lash, you can't do any better than your best and if it's not good enough, so be it. If we play at 100% and Tyrone play at 75% it'll be close. Looking forward to the occasion immensely. I've backed Antrim but the head says Tyrone by 8 or 9 but we will still have a shot at making the quarters.
Despite some tongue in cheek jibes on this thread I'm a big fan of Tyrone as a football team as soon as Antrim are out of the Championship I'll be fully behind you for the AI. Great team, great county and the Einstein of managers. I have been at all three of your AI wins and until Sunday the '03 final is the stand out sporting experience of my life.
Everyone come back safe!
A guide for Antrim bandwagon jumpers
July 09 2009
Diarmuid Ó Tuama
Now that Antrim are going so well in the football championship there are plenty in the county who have jumped on the bandwagon. This is common enough practise in other counties but we, that is members of the local GAA, are not used to it.
So being a friendly decent being may I offer the following advice to those who are preparing themselves to join long queues looking for tickets and to get into Antrim games from now to the end of the year.
a. Get rid of that soccer jersey that you wear all year. The auld crowd that follow Antrim are full of dinosaurs. It's hard enough for some of us to follow Gaelic football without having to look at Celtic, Man Utd , Arsenal or even Barcelona jerseys. Put the jersey in the bottom drawer until the winter.
b. Learn at least one Antrim song. For the English speakers that will be The Green Glens of Antrim. If you don't know it, and chances are you won't, you can find it on Youtube along with the Blue Hills of Antrim. If you are a fíorGhael you can impress your new friends with Ard Uí Chuain and Fear a' Bhata. We don't do Olé, Olé, Olé so don't bother.
c .Now listen very carefully to this one. It is very important. You will need an Antrim jersey. Be certain not to wear a brand new jersey. Sore thumb and all that. People will know right away that you are a bandwagon jumper. Maybe you have a friend, a cousin, an ex-girlfriend or an old uncle who may have an old jersey lying in some hiding place in the house. If there is an ancient Guinness stain on it so much the better. Don't clean it for it's a sign that that you formerly enjoyed following Antrim.
d. Learn the names of the players (this is a must). There is nothing our crowd hate more than one of your crowd asking us who is number 3 or what position does number 1 play. Shout out their names as follows: "Well done, Paddy," "Good save, Seán". And drop hints like "I was talking to Paddy Cunningham/Niall McKeever/ Sean McGreevy etc and he/they say we have a fair chance."
e. If you are not a member of a club, and you won't be, now is a great time to join. Quickly as possible now. Don't join Sarsfields or Lámh Dhearg though. They can smell chancers a mile away and will tell you in no uncertain terms where to go. Join a small club. They'll be glad of the money. Or if you think you are a yuppie join St. Bridget's. They'll give you a great welcome.
f. Learn a bit about the history of Antrim football. Nothing too deep mind you. Say you know/knew Frank Fitzimmons but you call him Junior. Say you played on the same minor team as Andy Óg McCallin. Say you were there the day Junior decked Joe Lennon in Casement. This will make you look very knowledgeable.
g. Lots of people will know you did not follow Antrim lately. No bother. You were busy raring a family. You were working in New York. Or down a mine in Australia. Pick one of these lies and stick with it.
h. Speak about Clones in 1970. Wasn't it a warm day? Explain that Derry were jammy that day. How did Aidan Hamill miss that penalty?
i. Mention the Under 21 team of 1969 that won the All-Ireland. Sure didn't you used to drink with half of them?
Now if you follow these simple rules you'll do fine. Did you take that soccer jersey off yet?
http://www.insideireland.ie/index.cfm/section/news/ext/diarmuid09072009/category/1110 (http://www.insideireland.ie/index.cfm/section/news/ext/diarmuid09072009/category/1110)
maybe I've lost my sense of humour but I don't find that funny. Every county has thousands jump on board when the good times roll. Hope all the Antrim folk have a great day in Clones. Am looking forward to it... Tir Eoghain abu.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on July 17, 2009, 03:36:15 PM
Saturday 27th June 2009
Antrim need absolutely everything going in their favour to have a chance and I mean everything. Is there any chance that we could get a different county song for Sunday – one that isn't the "Green Glens Of Antrim"? Two reasons why I propose this. Firstly, there is no history of football in the Glens? Who was the last Glensman to play for the footballers?
Does the Tenth Glen not count then??
I remember that song was played ad nauseum before the 1989 All Ireland hurling final... right enough it didn't do them much good :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXN8NjK9Hrc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXN8NjK9Hrc)
Quote from: saffron sam2 on July 17, 2009, 03:36:15 PM
Saturday 27th June 2009
"You spend your life waiting for a moment that just don't come.
Well don't waste your time waiting"
Bruce Springsteen – Badlands
The Boss, it would appear, like myself, occasionally gets things wrong.
Many people have asked how I felt when the final whistle went in Clones that balmy Saturday evening. A plethora of emotions ran through my mind and strangely none of them were elation. The immediate feeling was a hint of anti-climax; it was clear from half an hour out that the Cavan team didn't have the wherewithal to compete with the tigerish Saffrons. The anti-climax in turn gave way to feelings of pride at how this young Antrim team performed, followed by an intense sadness for the dead generations; the men of '71 to '08 who never had the opportunity to grace Ulster final day – men whose fate was largely beyond their control. I pondered a while on the reasons for their failures – the Troubles, leading to murder, incarceration and intimidation; officials within the county who badly let Antrim Gaels down with their mismanagement; some of the players and management themselves; petty inter-nicene club feuding; the sausage roll bap; John Bannon; having to play teams with better players. This sadness gave way to a furious anger at those responsible for the demise of the once great Saffrons and the knowledge that some of the worst of the feckers would be sitting in the best seats, eating their Milky Bars, in Clones. And anger at twits like the boy who was supporting Donegal because some whackfuck hurling match was called off. And finally reality. Yes, we are in an Ulster final, but the reality remains it is more by accident than design. Not like the Dubs and their Leinster hurling final appearance. And the reality that we would be playing Tyrone, the team of the decade, the team of the millennium and we would most likely receive an almighty tanking. And more reality, a week later a last twelve appearance against possibly Kerry or Meath and the end of the journey. And the reality too, that like Springsteen, I didn't spend my life waiting for the moment that just don't come – so like any self-respecting Saffron Gael I had my holiday booked to coincide with the Ulster final. Can you get RTE in Ballyhornan?
And then, and only then, did the elation hit. Antrim were in the last 12 of this year's All-Ireland series. Anyone would have taken that in January. So to sate my elation I had a couple of glasses of a more than decent pinot noir.
Sunday 19th July 2009
"Until, on Vinegar Hill, the fatal conclave.
Terraced thousands died, shaking scythes at cannon."
Seamus Heaney- Requiem for the Croppies
There will be an unshakeable pride when Hands leads the Antrim senior football team in the pre-match parade, behind him marching in grim array, a stalwart, earnest band. It's great that we're there, but it is hard not to make the comparison between Baker's squad and Heaney's croppies.
I get the impression from many Tyrone folk, including one of the current squad, that 2009 is more important than even 2003 ever was. There is an appetite both for back to back All-Irelands and a front door win – it's almost as if they don't think most of their All-Irelands are real All-Irelands because they were won through the back door. That, coupled with a near full-strength team and an immensely strong squad (all their subs would make the Antrim team, but not the Derry team) fighting for places at the business end of the seasons means there isn't a mission of any sympathy for the Saffrons, no feet will be taken off the pedal. We could get hammered.
As for tactics, I don't see the point in playing Cruncher as a sweeper. Derry tried it in the semi-final and Tyrone ate and shit them. Now, if they can do that to Derry (a better team than Antrim – no Antrim man would make the Derry starting line-up. Apart from the McGoldricks who are only Derry men because the London companies wanted control of both sides of the Bann as it entered the sea.), they will do it against Antrim also. I think you have to go man for man against Tyrone and be prepared to sacrifice two men to mark the Dooher and Cavanagh. By man-marking I don't mean the sledging, nipping, testicle fondling beloved of the Bushmen; I mean having athletes who can compete physically, within the rules. I would propose Scud and Locky for these roles. If the £200 a night man lines out at midfield there has to be a change there also. Gaga and Skippy were immense against Cavan, but Skip doesn't have the engine to compete with Hub or Bung. I also think that Hughes' good form this year may have as much to do with the paucity of his opponents; I like the way Gaga has been talking the talk and walking the walk this year, he could get the better of Hughes. I would play Cruncher as a genuine half back, move Scud to Cavanagh and Skip to pick up McMahon.
I would love to have seen Red Dog start and hope that it's not too much pressure on the relatively untried Norton. The real gunner has proved to be a decent man marker this year and I would be fairly confident of him against Penrose. Fig has the strength and ability to work with O'Neill, but does chance his arm a wee bit with his tackling. Cruncher uses the ball well, but sometimes brings it into contact when he doesn't need to; Tyrone will destroy him if he does this against them.
Up front, it's hard to see Burke (who has only played two matches as the double F ever) get much change out of McMahon (current All-Star full back) or Hands get any change out of the questionable McMenamin. The bulk of expectation from the forwards will come from a rejuvenated forward gunner and the McCanns, but it's hard to see enough scores coming from this triumvirate. I would have been inclined to start Nibblecock, there is no point in holding anyone back as an impact sub – you have to hit Tyrone with everything for the first whistle.
Antrim need absolutely everything going in their favour to have a chance and I mean everything. Is there any chance that we could get a different county song for Sunday – one that isn't the "Green Glens Of Antrim"? Two reasons why I propose this. Firstly, there is no history of football in the Glens? Who was the last Glensman to play for the footballers? Granted, there is a crude variant of football played in Ballycastle (slightly less crude than their variation on hurling), but the "Glens" is as relevant to an Antrim footballer as "God Save The Queen" [of England] is.
Secondly, it is crap. Pure, unadulterated, maudlin, wrist-slitting dung. Tyrone are regaled with the tale of an outlawed man in a land forlorn who kept the cause freedom high on the mountains of Pomeroy – we get the gay honeysuckle luring the bee. The nonsense would be a long time putting fire in anyone's belly. Besides who ever wrote is not at all well travelled – if Cushendall is the one place that can outshine any other, I doubt if you've been a mile from the curfew tower, let alone far across yonder blue.
Replace it with Roddy McCorley. Any song that can move Meath men to bull cattle must have its merits, but there is more to it than that. Toomebridge is as hot a hot bed for football as there is in the county. The tragic tale of McCorley (the stout hearted underdog against the might of the hated yeomanry) has obvious parallels with Antrim's current task. If it is too late for the scouts to learn a new tune, get it on the boys' ipods and play it non-stop from now to 2:00pm on Sunday. And make sure it's a Tommy Makem version.
We won't win; we may not even get close. We will compete. Just make sure that this isn't a single swallow, a false dawn or a red herring. There must be no barley growing from the unmarked graves. What happens after the final is more important than what happens during it.
Aontroim abu.
Tyrone 3-17
Antrim 0-5
Tremendous prose. Sort-of praise. Sort-of damning. Tremendous nonetheless.
Hundreds of Ulster G.A.A fans are in a panic after their tickets for Sundays final between Antrim and Tyrone failed to turn up in the post this week.
Suppliers for the stand seats for the game which is to be played in Clones on Sunday with a 2pm kick off, Ticketmaster have apologised for the mistake and say 400 envelopes containing match tickets have not been delivered.
However a spokesman for Ticketmaster Ireland has said that the company has records of all those who bought tickets and duplicates can be collected outside the Clones ground at 10am on Sunday.
as a derry man i would just like to say its good to see a bit of variety in the ulster championship this year and all dues to antrim. although i think tyrone will be 2 strong it wont be a one sided game. i hope antrim do themselves proud.
also i was driving through toome 2day on way to antrim and i would just like to say its great to see toome littered with antrim flags the whole way out to the roundabout heading for the motorway. great to see and fair play antrim.
Quote from: laoisgaa on July 17, 2009, 06:15:56 PM
Hundreds of Ulster G.A.A fans are in a panic after their tickets for Sundays final between Antrim and Tyrone failed to turn up in the post this week.
Suppliers for the stand seats for the game which is to be played in Clones on Sunday with a 2pm kick off, Ticketmaster have apologised for the mistake and say 400 envelopes containing match tickets have not been delivered.
However a spokesman for Ticketmaster Ireland has said that the company has records of all those who bought tickets and duplicates can be collected outside the Clones ground at 10am on Sunday.
Happened myself. Phoned today and she says it's a mystery. I hope 10am means from 10am.
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2009, 06:17:45 PM
Quote from: laoisgaa on July 17, 2009, 06:15:56 PM
Hundreds of Ulster G.A.A fans are in a panic after their tickets for Sundays final between Antrim and Tyrone failed to turn up in the post this week.
Suppliers for the stand seats for the game which is to be played in Clones on Sunday with a 2pm kick off, Ticketmaster have apologised for the mistake and say 400 envelopes containing match tickets have not been delivered.
However a spokesman for Ticketmaster Ireland has said that the company has records of all those who bought tickets and duplicates can be collected outside the Clones ground at 10am on Sunday.
Happened myself. Phoned today and she says it's a mystery. I hope 10am means from 10am.
Me too...I phoned the guy in Dublin and listened to crap music for 5 mins...The guy couldn't even tell me where the stall will be. Last time it was behind the McGrane stand but I have seen it beside the Creighton before...
Needless to say people watch ur speed on the way to the match especially those traveling the omagh to ballygawley road.
1: don't want any of u lovely people to become another statistic on our roads &
2: Our friendly RUC will be out in force after their week holiday, watch before hitting Kelly's inn on the 3 lanes at the orange hall and as you head down to the ballygawley roundabout.
Hope the Tyrone lads get a good win and the weather looks like it gona hold up.
2pm kick off????????
Ticketmaster tossers >:(
Quote from: carol6 on July 17, 2009, 07:22:40 PM
2pm kick off????????
Ticketmaster t**sers >:(
::)
Quote2pm kick off?HuhHuh?
In Gaelic it's a throw-in Carol. You an Anto should stick to neckin a few e's and a bottle of buckie while watching the DC play up on suffolk road. ;)
Quote from: carol6 on July 17, 2009, 07:22:40 PM
2pm kick off????????
Ticketmaster t**sers >:(
In relation to your original grip.... there is a minor game ;)
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on July 17, 2009, 06:30:09 PM
Me too...I phoned the guy in Dublin and listened to crap music for 5 mins...The guy couldn't even tell me where the stall will be. Last time it was behind the McGrane stand but I have seen it beside the Creighton before...
You were lucky. I was listening to that shite for 11 mins. She told me Church Hill Road which could mean anywhere.
Church hill road is beside the Creighton AFAIK...The last time i seen it it was at the bottom of the hill there..Hope there's plenty of staff there because by all accounts there's a lot of people without tickets yet.
I have another ticket anyway but whoever wants this one from me will be queuing up not me!!
I see if you go to purchase tickets for this on gaa website it says its pay on the day. Not sure if the ulster council will appreciate this considering they've said there will be no tickets available on the day. Will it be close to a full house on Sunday?
Cant see anyone not from Tyrone supporting us on Sunday. It would be great to see Antrim win an ulster title but not at the expense of Tyrone. Monaghan gave Tyrone a real game in 07 and something similar would probably be good enough at this stage in Antims development. Not sure if they'l be able to compete with O'Neill,Mugsy,Penrose etc.
With Antrim at such long odds, would the Tyrone players not think of putting a large amount of money on Antrim and take a dive ;) It would be a nice days pay and they will always have a second bite at the cherry.
Maybe they did that last year. :D
Quote from: Trevor Hill on July 17, 2009, 08:16:00 PM
With Antrim at such long odds, would the Tyrone players not think of putting a large amount of money on Antrim and take a dive ;) It would be a nice days pay and they will always have a second bite at the cherry.
Maybe they did that last year. :D
They would be safer backing Antrim plus the handicap of say eight points... Win but keep it respectable enough, quids in.
Now now boys..You know that players are not allowed to bet on games they are playing in.
What are you trying to suggest if Antrim do win its because Tyrone bet on themselves..Doesn't happen like that..
If Antrim win they done it fairly and comments like that are simply not called for.
Tyrone have the mindset that this year no one will get in the road of their pursuit of Sam retention. They set out 6 matches to achieve it. This will mark halfway. No mercy.
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2009, 08:41:06 PM
No mercy.
I think they showed plenty of mercy to both Armagh and Derry, they stopped playing for most of the second half against Armagh and still won easily. They should win easily enough on Sunday though, but I`ll still be supporting Antrim.
Quote from: clootfromthe21 on July 17, 2009, 04:47:21 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on July 17, 2009, 03:36:15 PM
Saturday 27th June 2009
Antrim need absolutely everything going in their favour to have a chance and I mean everything. Is there any chance that we could get a different county song for Sunday – one that isn't the "Green Glens Of Antrim"? Two reasons why I propose this. Firstly, there is no history of football in the Glens? Who was the last Glensman to play for the footballers?
Does the Tenth Glen not count then??
No.
Quote from: Trevor Hill on July 17, 2009, 08:16:00 PM
With Antrim at such long odds, would the Tyrone players not think of putting a large amount of money on Antrim and take a dive ;) It would be a nice days pay and they will always have a second bite at the cherry.
Maybe they did that last year. :D
Last year? You must have a generous bookie if he pays for wins after extra time.
Quote from: hardstation on July 17, 2009, 09:08:52 PM
Antrim to hit the onion bag after 30 seconds.
Aidso to win the ball from the throw in. Gives it out to Loughrey who flys down the line. Pumps it in to Big Mick. Fields it. Mossy comes flying in to take the ball off his bro. Bang, back off the net. 'Keeper never saw it.
12/1 with Boyles
There's nothing that would lighten my dark heart than seeing Antrim lift the Anglo-Celt. Unfortunately, I think you lads could be unbearable. Tyrone, you have an obligation. One Dublin is enough.
QuoteThey would be safer backing Antrim plus the handicap of say eight points... Win but keep it respectable enough, quids in.
Who is giving +8 ONL? Cant get any better than +7 online. Would like to put a pony on it.
Will there be a GAA board get together before or after the game?
"Fear not, fear not, sweetheart," he cried,
"Fear not the foe for me.
No chain shall fall, whate'er betide,
On the arm that would be free!
Oh, leave your cruel kin and come
When the lark is in the sky;
And it's with my gun I'll guard you,
On the mountains of Pomeroy."
Quote from: fred the red on July 17, 2009, 09:46:28 PM
Will there be a GAA board get together before or after the game?
There's been talk.
Quote from: fred the red on July 17, 2009, 09:46:28 PM
Will there be a GAA board get together before or after the game?
There'll be a few of us in The Leonard Arms, just off The Diamond at the top of the town. Never too packed, and a decent pint.
"Theres a wisp of smoke to the south of the Glen and the poitín is on the air
The birds in the burrows and the rabbits in the sky and there's drunkards everywhere
At Skerry Rock the fox is out and begod he's chasing the hounds
And the only thing in decent shape is buried beneath the ground"
Tyrone by 18 points :D ;)
actually - I'll take a 1 point win
Ye gods assist my poor wearied notion,
Ye inspired muses lend me your hand
To help my endeavours both night and morning,
To sing the praises of this lovely land.
Well situated in the north of Ireland,
Being all in the county of sweet Tyrone,
All along the banks of famed Loch Neagh
Is the ancient fabric called Old Ardboe.
Oh stand awhile and view this arbour
Where purling streams roll to and fro,
Where fishes sporting both night and morning
Yield of their bounty to Old Ardboe.
No serpent lurks in its hallowed waters,
No odours poisoned infest their breeze,
But peace and plenty for sons and daughters
Abound around you, Old Ardboe.
I have travelled France and I've travelled Flanders,
And all the lands along the Rhine,
But in all my raking and undertaking
Ardboe, your equal I ne'er could find.
My course I've taken to the Indian Ocean,
To the shores of Caanan and Galilee,
But in all my raking and undertaking
Ardboe, your equal I ne'er could see.
That's crap ONeill - you should have quit with Renardine.
Did the boy who wrote the Ardboe song also write the "Green Glens of Antrim"?
"The Antrim man's Friend"
When things go wrong and will not come right,
Though you do the best you can,
When life looks black as the hour of night -
A pint of plain is your only man.
When money's tight and hard to get
And your horse has also ran,
When all you have is a heap of debt -
A pint of plain is your only man.
When health is bad and your heart feels strange,
And your face is pale and wan,
When doctors say you need a change,
A pint of plain is your only man.
When food is scarce and your larder bare
And no rashers grease your pan,
When hunger grows as your meals are rare -
A pint of plain is your only man.
In time of trouble and lousey strife,
You have still got a darlint plan
You still can turn to a brighter life -
A pint of plain is your only man.
by Flann O'Brien (Brian O'Nolan)
Just finished reading all the pages, have been away for a week down in the Glens.
Starting to believe that we will put up a seriouis fight. This game could be a draw. At this stage no team will win their games by more than 8 points.
Should Antrim be within 3 points by the 65 minute we could steal it with a McCann goal and a Hands 72 minute free from 55 yards out
Oh Antrim, dear Antrim, of heather hill and glen,
In all my dreams, you're sweet voice seems
To call me home again.
For though I've been, a wandering boy my thoughts forever stray
To lovely Aghagallon on, the shorelands of Lough Neagh.
'Twas pleasant in the Summer time,
To walk along the shore,
From Gawleys Gate, to Derryclone, through friendly Derrymore
Or watch an evening home bound fleet, sailing across the bay,
To lovely Aghagallon on the shorelands of Lough Neagh.
Oh Antrim, dear Antrim, of heather hill and glen,
In all my dreams, you're sweet voice seems
To call me home again.
For though I've been, a wandering boy my thoughts forever stray
To lovely Aghagallon on, the shorelands of Lough Neagh.
Oft' stood I on, young Island hill, to view the scene around,
Dear Derryhirk, and Ballycairn, and distant Brankinstown.
And Whitehall Corner where we stray, along the Cranagh Way,
To Lovely Aghagallon by, the shorelands of Lough Neagh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b-5cm2PPWM
Excellent camera work - if hell equals Belfast who would have thought heaven would be Clones!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7FY6vMFIyE
cant beat this
Life's a game of inches.
Mickey Harte's OK at the yank accent.
Quote from: hardstation on July 17, 2009, 11:18:15 PM
Is 'The Market' not in Antrim?
I'll help you out there lads, The Markets are most definitely in Antrim.
aye it is but they always stayed in their cousins house in the strand.
Quote from: hardstation on July 17, 2009, 11:24:45 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 17, 2009, 11:22:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 17, 2009, 11:18:15 PM
Is 'The Market' not in Antrim?
I'll help you out there lads, The Markets are most definitely in Antrim.
No help needed here. And, it's "The Market". Just ask Square Ball. His da is a market.
Not to us Tyronnies it isn't, just ask me ma.
He kicks them from the 40 and from the 50 too,
He kicks them from the sideline and he misses very few,
Stevie is so deadly that he makes opponent weep,
And if Mickey Harte asked him to he'd kick them in his sleep.....
Quote from: hardstation on July 17, 2009, 11:29:42 PM
Speaking of which,
"I'll tell my ma when I get home,
The boys won't leave the girls alone
They pull my hair and stole my comb
But that's all right till I go home"
Here, milltown, how do you think your beloved Donegal will get on against Derry? Are you for Ballybofey?
i'll be at Clones, havent been to the first two games, so i'll be there on Sunday to cheer 'them' on. hope i'm not a scud
will have my radio for updates. and Drici will keep us all up to dates with the scores
Our Iggy:
http://www.tad.ie/photos/iggyjonespres/video3/
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2009, 11:41:37 PM
Our Iggy:
http://www.tad.ie/photos/iggyjonespres/video3/
Will you make it down for this year's?
Awful boring though.
Quote from: hardstation on July 17, 2009, 11:43:26 PM
"Iggy Oi Iggy Oi Iggy Iggy Iggy Oi Oi Oi"
'who are ya who are ya' and 'you fat Bistard you fat bistard' and as the goal keeper kicks the ball 'ooooohhhhoohhhhh is a' (or crap like it) and this one is the best ' ya got seany mc Greavey number one ya got seany mcGreavey number one................. you've got Paddy Hands number 15 ya got.........
Ladies game on Sunday week in Carlow
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2009, 11:48:15 PM
Awful boring though.
The plan is to have it more of a continuous comedy night this year -- nothing been definitively decided yet, but there'll definitely be a comedy theme.
hey lad i've played senior for the club, played first year outta minor, kept on getting hit thought fook this for a game of darts. didn't even stay around for championship. won it that year too >:(.
reserve football from there on in. better craic
wouldn't pay my travel expenses
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 17, 2009, 10:06:02 PM
Quote from: fred the red on July 17, 2009, 09:46:28 PM
Will there be a GAA board get together before or after the game?
There'll be a few of us in The Leonard Arms, just off The Diamond at the top of the town. Never too packed, and a decent pint.
Is that the one on the right hand side if you come into Clones from the Cavan direction?
There's only two Milltown Rows, two Milltown Rows, two Milltown Rows!...
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 18, 2009, 12:32:46 AM
Is that the one on the right hand side if you come into Clones from the Cavan direction?
That's the one T86, just off the Diamond on the right hand side from the Cavan direction.
Quote from: hardstation on July 18, 2009, 12:28:07 AM
Milltown, since I have been on this board, I recall you saying "I hope they get beat" or something similar (at least 2 of of the last 3 years) when commenting on Antrim footballers, ahead of their 1st round matches. "I hope they get beat" is definitley a quote from you but I can't remember if it was last year or the year before. This year, you were supporting Donegal against us.
How do you plead?
Shocking stuff.
i plead Guilty ma Lord, but on the grounds that they were fooking me about with my team. taking players away on trips when i had league games fixed or calling off games for 'bonding weekends' my rift is with the county when they change the format
first love hurling always has been. football well i always played it, captained many a team at the club played a Minor football final when i was 16. double header at Casement, both us and the seniors lost that day >:( >:( can rememberevery minute of that game
It's unfair the way the media are promoting this game. Antrim Antrim Antrim!!! There's another game playing.
Quote from: hardstation on July 18, 2009, 12:51:15 AM
Quote from: milltown row on July 18, 2009, 12:40:57 AM
Quote from: hardstation on July 18, 2009, 12:28:07 AM
Milltown, since I have been on this board, I recall you saying "I hope they get beat" or something similar (at least 2 of of the last 3 years) when commenting on Antrim footballers, ahead of their 1st round matches. "I hope they get beat" is definitley a quote from you but I can't remember if it was last year or the year before. This year, you were supporting Donegal against us.
How do you plead?
Shocking stuff.
i plead Guilty ma Lord, but on the grounds that they were fooking me about with my team. taking players away on trips when i had league games fixed or calling off games for 'bonding weekends' my rift is with the county when they change the format
A small* man in the big picture you are, milltown.
*Ooops.
a small joke? i thought you were funnier than that :'(
off to bed now before i end up watching the rest of Mississippi Burning.
things to do for tomorrow,
get my beer
make my sandwiches
dig out my 89 shirt
watch videos of a Antrim team beating a Tyrone team (Carrickmore)
oh play Ballycastle tomorrow in a football match ::) (couldn't make it up)
Quote from: hardstation on July 18, 2009, 01:02:11 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 18, 2009, 12:57:32 AM
It's unfair the way the media are promoting this game. Antrim Antrim Antrim!!! There's another game playing.
What are you on about? Charlie Stubbs is right, you do talk shit.
The minors :P
I'm slightly intoxicated, so I'm not surprised
Quote from: hardstation on July 18, 2009, 01:00:47 AM
You should read ss2's take on Ballycastle football before you go to bed milltown.
decent wee team, played them at the start of the year.
I don't know if this has been asked already (I don't want to dig through 36 pages to find out!), but does anyone know where the match can be watched on the internet from outside of Ireland? Cheers!
My prediction is that Tyrone will steamroller Antrim with ruthless efficiency
Antrim have done v well to get here and I am genuinely delighted they have
Hopefully this final appearance will give antrim gaa the shot in the arm
However the players will be over awed by the whole occasion and I predict Antrim score less than 8 points
Quote from: Star Spangler on July 18, 2009, 08:09:27 AM
I don't know if this has been asked already (I don't want to dig through 36 pages to find out!), but does anyone know where the match can be watched on the internet from outside of Ireland? Cheers!
http://iraqgoals.net/ch1.html (http://iraqgoals.net/ch1.html) justin tv, the dublin match was on here
http://gaalive.net/news.php (http://gaalive.net/news.php) gaa webpage
mms://live2.wm.rte.servecast.net/rte_wmlz_rte2-450.wmv this was the rte2 feed that was by far the best, but its down at the moment
Quote from: StGallsGAA on July 17, 2009, 09:28:57 PM
QuoteThey would be safer backing Antrim plus the handicap of say eight points... Win but keep it respectable enough, quids in.
Who is giving +8 ONL? Cant get any better than +7 online. Would like to put a pony on it.
Sorry for the late reply but Paddy Power, Boyles etc all give the alternative handicaps
Paddy Power go to Antrim plus 11 at 3/10, just select the various handicaps from the drop down box:
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/gaa-sports/gaa-matches/gaa-football-matches/Tyrone-v-Antrim-1499994.html
Boyles go to Antrim plus ten, 1/3:
http://www.boylesports.com/betting/?sID=286.1&sltc=5170.1&slc=96948.1&sle=716906.1&slm=-1
Good interview with Cavanagh, and no GPA chat
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaa-championships/gaelic-football/time-for-business-1828882.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaa-championships/gaelic-football/time-for-business-1828882.html)
So where do you think this ticketmaster boyo will be?
An exercpt from Dr Mc Sparrans interview with the Tele.......Any ideas where these forums can be found?
" There is no doubt that a lack of success has been influential in this and more often than not it has been easier for many to criticise anonymously through various unaccountable and unrepresentative forums."
what is he going on about? is the lack of Antrims success down to these 'unaccountable and unrepresentative forums'? he uses the forums all the time and never leaves his name
Quote from: hardstation on July 17, 2009, 09:08:52 PM
Antrim to hit the onion bag after 30 seconds.
Aidso to win the ball from the throw in. Gives it out to Loughrey who flys down the line. Pumps it in to Big Mick. Fields it. Mossy comes flying in to take the ball off his bro. Bang, back off the net. 'Keeper never saw it.
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Wish i could have the same dreams as you Hard! As an Antrim man i wish our team the best and hope the dream dosent turn into a nightmare. Could go close, our im i still dreaming :D
i have a spare eastern stand ticket. if anyone is interested in it pm me.
Good luck to both teams. Hope it is a good game. Tyrone to win by 5.
Quote from: ONeill on July 18, 2009, 07:51:36 PM
So where do you think this ticketmaster boyo will be?
Just past the creighton on the hill on the way to the ground.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/209?&search=clones&itemsPerPage=10®ion=world
Looks like there could be some rain..
Maybe Antrim can rain on Tyrones parade... ;)
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on July 18, 2009, 09:26:41 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/209?&search=clones&itemsPerPage=10®ion=world
Looks like there could be some rain..
Maybe Antrim can rain on Tyrones parade... ;)
Dublin thought that last year too :D
ok sandwiches made
beer cooling
wet proof coat at the ready (cheers pat)
soup made
kids minded
and a free pass out for so refreshments after the game sorted.
oh and 15 tyrone voodoo dolls made, pins at the ready
Looking forward to this a lot now, should be a mighty days craic, never thought I'd be in clones on ulster day facing the saffrons! Against any other team i'd roar Antrim on but I feel the task is too big for them. Red hands to be ruthless...tyrone 2-14 Antrim 1-7
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 18, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
Looking forward to this a lot now, should be a mighty days craic, never thought I'd be in clones on ulster day facing the saffrons! Against any other team i'd roar Antrim on but I feel the task is too big for them. Red hands to be ruthless...tyrone 2-14 Antrim 1-7
Antrim have won Ten Ulsters. to tyrones 11. its not as if your Cavan. but yes lately Tyrone are top dogs
Quote from: milltown row on July 18, 2009, 09:53:27 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 18, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
Looking forward to this a lot now, should be a mighty days craic, never thought I'd be in clones on ulster day facing the saffrons! Against any other team i'd roar Antrim on but I feel the task is too big for them. Red hands to be ruthless...tyrone 2-14 Antrim 1-7
Antrim have won Ten Ulsters. to tyrones 11. its not as if your Cavan. but yes lately Tyrone are top dogs
Milltown, every dog has its day. We'll take and enjoy ours at the minute. I'm sure Antrims turn will come again, but hopefully
not tomorrow!
and fair dues Tyrone, quality team and love seeing you beat southern teams
Quote from: milltown row on July 18, 2009, 09:53:27 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 18, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
Looking forward to this a lot now, should be a mighty days craic, never thought I'd be in clones on ulster day facing the saffrons! Against any other team i'd roar Antrim on but I feel the task is too big for them. Red hands to be ruthless...tyrone 2-14 Antrim 1-7
Antrim have won Ten Ulsters. to tyrones 11. its not as if your Cavan. but yes lately Tyrone are top dogs
Well I'm 25 And in my supporting days I haven't had much experience with the saffrons, hard to beat a bit of variety though, good luck to both teams and here's hoping for a bit of decent weather, pints in the beer gardens around clones are always good!
anyone able to use two tickets for east stand - one adult one juvenile - happy to give them to a genuine fan (preferably tyrone) - let me know asap - in cookstown
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 18, 2009, 10:00:26 PM
Quote from: milltown row on July 18, 2009, 09:53:27 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 18, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
Looking forward to this a lot now, should be a mighty days craic, never thought I'd be in clones on ulster day facing the saffrons! Against any other team i'd roar Antrim on but I feel the task is too big for them. Red hands to be ruthless...tyrone 2-14 Antrim 1-7
Antrim have won Ten Ulsters. to tyrones 11. its not as if your Cavan. but yes lately Tyrone are top dogs
Well I'm 25 And in my supporting days I haven't had much experience with the saffrons, hard to beat a bit of variety though, good luck to both teams and here's hoping for a bit of decent weather, pints in the beer gardens around clones are always good!
ah they were the days, us older guys take an age to recover from games dont really train anymore and distort history about games we played in ;).
jealousy is a terrible thing
Have heard there's a few all nighter parties in Poleglass & the west with buses organised to pick them all up at 9am to head straight for Clones! The Paragon is the target for the blue bag brigade apparently.
Jayz Omagh Gael, if yer only 25 why arent you away to Sallys or Main Street skulling pints instead of looking at a computer screen?? ;D
Antrim have fairly added to the occasion alright. Tyrone and Antrim have always been closely connected in terms of family relations, even players and managers! In the early 1900s many Tyronnies in search of work settled in West Belfast and their families remain there. Although it'd be some kick in the teeth for the county, losing to Antrim would be cushioned by the fact that it is Antrim. Looking forward to seeing the colour and banter beforehand. Hopefully no soccer chants.
Was looking at the penpics today and Tyrone's average age (of the backbone lads) is sneaking towards the 30 mark. Ricey is down as 30, Dooher 33, McCullagh 31 and a host of players 28/29. We'll not see these lads for too much longer although you still have the likes of Justin and Sean in their early to mid-20s. Also, some day it'll hit us that they're on the freewheeling side of the hill. I hope it doesn't commence tomorrow. On the other side, this is a very young Antrim side. It reminds me of Tyrone circa 2001-2003 when they were blooding the youngsters. The only difference I suppose is that Tyrone were winning All-Ireland minors and U21s. If Antrim start well, they have the youthful exuberance to pin Tyrone to their collar with sheer energy couple with some very talented players. They could out-Dooher Dooher. However, I don't think they'll have experienced the sheer ferocity of tackle Tyrone will subject them to tomorrow. I noticed loads of pics this week in the local papers here had Antrim players shouldering shoulder mats etc - although some say Sigerson is just as tough.
Two scenarios - my gut reaction is that Tyrone will hammer them from the off. Something like 0-13 to 0-2 at half time.
The second one is that Antrim feed of the occasion and keep it a low-scoring affair, 5-5 or 6-5 at the break, but Tyrone pulling away in the last 10 mins to win by 3.
However - Tyrone 1-18 Antrim 0-11
R
Lads - I have an O'Duffy Terrace and a Hill Ticket going if anyone near Armagh City is interested?
Face value of course! ;D
got tickets for clones tomorrow havn't been to an all ticket game at clones before, just would normally pay at gate..so was wondering if any of you had a seating plan or a good memory
is the eastern stand the one facing the gerry arthur?
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gerry arthur
eastern?
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also what do you call the two _________________ ones?
The mcGrane stand and the Hill face the Gerry Arthur. Tho O'duffy terrace is at the road side behind the goal.
Never been in eastern so i presume its behind the other goals.
if this is right and the eastern stand is behind the goal..is it not a disgrace that tickets behind the goal are the same price as tickets for the midde of the ground and covered?
The gerry Arthur is the covered stand and is more expensive...The hill and the O'duffy terrace are both £13...One is on the side and one behind the goal.All depends on what your preference is or how fast you got your tickets.
i have parts of my family in different parts of clones i got all the tickets through my club and paid the same for arthur tickets and eastern tickets a disgrace they are same price on the ticket as well
Hey hardstation, did you spot my trolly-dolly mate in the Irish News today?
Quote from: ziggysego on July 18, 2009, 11:14:59 PM
Hey hardstation, did you spot my trolly-dolly mate in the Irish News today?
ziggy will u be around for a pint after the game 2mara?
Quote from: fred the red on July 18, 2009, 11:17:11 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 18, 2009, 11:14:59 PM
Hey hardstation, did you spot my trolly-dolly mate in the Irish News today?
ziggy will u be around for a pint after the game 2mara?
Na, racing back to Omagh to meet a girl for a drink
Quote from: ziggysego on July 18, 2009, 11:20:53 PM
Quote from: fred the red on July 18, 2009, 11:17:11 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 18, 2009, 11:14:59 PM
Hey hardstation, did you spot my trolly-dolly mate in the Irish News today?
ziggy will u be around for a pint after the game 2mara?
Na, racing back to Omagh to meet a girl for a drink
dead on, Omagh suits me fine too.
Didn't know that Carton House is owned by a Tyrone lad, from today's Irish News:
Red Hands' prep as good as Galacticos' says Kildare host
BY Jonathan Drennan
What do the Tyrone GAA team have in common with Real Madrid? They have both used training facilities owned by a Tyrone man in Co Kildare. Jonathan Drennan reports
Conor Mallaghan, whose family own Real Madrid's Irish training base in Co Kildare, says the Red Hands' preparations and physical conditioning are equal to those of their millionaire soccer counterparts. "We've had the Tyrone gaelic football team staying with us a great number of times," Mr Mallaghan said.
"I genuinely believe that their preparation and their physical strength are on a par with professional teams we've had staying with us like Newcastle United. "If you take a guy like Brian Dooher – he's a great role model to have. He works as a vet but his dedication to his sport is on a par with anyone we've had here."
The Mallaghan family have been associated with Carton House in Co Kildare since 1977, when Mr Mallaghan's father Lee moved his engineering firm to the premises from Co Tyrone. Mr Mallaghan snr originally hails from Pomeroy and his son spent his early childhood in Dungannon.
After using the sprawling estate in Kildare for the family firm and a fledgling dairy farm, the family decided to open a four-star hotel complex in 2006. The stately home is no stranger to famous visitors, having previously hosted guests as diverse as Queen Victoria, Prince Rainier and actress Grace Kelly.
Today the soccer superstars from Real Madrid are able to enjoy world-class facilities, including a state-of-the-art football pitch – whose grass is cut to exactly 23 millimetres. The Spaniards also supplied the Mallaghan family with a detailed schedule for watering the pitch. Due to the demands on the players from fans, the family have also had to employ around-the-clock security teams to patrol the estate.
This is a far cry from the facilities Tyrone's Gaelic football team enjoyed in 1984, when the family invited them to stay after they reached a then rare appearance in the All-Ireland semi-finals against Dublin.
"We were Tyrone people, so when the team got to a semi-final for the first time in ages, we had to ask them did they want to stay," Mr Mallaghan said. "It was quite a different set-up then – obviously nothing like what Real Madrid are enjoying now. I remember we had to go and borrow a pile of beds from Maynooth College."
Despite leaving their native county more than 30 years ago, the Mallaghan family retain strong ties with Tyrone. Mr Mallaghan's mother Mary is the sister of Tyrone manager Mickey Harte, which has led to the team staying at Carton House regularly. Mr Mallaghan believes that hosting Tyrone in 1984 was a learning experience for the family that has hopefully helped Carton House become "the premier sport's hotel in northern Europe".
"Whether it's a Gaelic football team, or a professional football team, you learn things that make life easier for your guests – even something simple like having the bedrooms on the first floor and turning conference rooms into relaxation rooms," he said. A partnership with Irish company Platinum One has helped the club attract professional football teams to Co Kildare. Newcastle United had already given "first-class feedback" on the facilities at Car- ton House after spending the early summer there in pre-season training.
Mr Mallaghan was aware that Platinum One had organised pre-season training and friendly matches for Bar-celona FC in Scotland and inquired about the potential for a top Spanish side training in Ireland. Thankfully, after a stifling hot summer in Madrid, Real Madrid – whose stellar players are known as Galacticos (Spanish for superstars) – welcomed the opportunity to train in cooler climes. "We've been very lucky so far," Mr Mallaghan said.
"Newcastle really enjoyed the facilities and we think they will be back next year.
"We are only halfway through the training with Real Madrid so we can't get too complacent at how things are going but so far so good."
Since Real Madrid arrived, the Mallaghan family have regularly put in 7.30am-9.30pm working days. In recent days a media circus has descended on their Co Kildare venue, with everyone trying to get a glimpse of the £80 million man, Cristiano Ronaldo. Although, Mr Mallaghan has had little personal dealings with Ronaldo, he is quick to praise the team's conduct at the hotel. "Every single one of them has been a gentleman," he said.
"Any preconceived notions people might have about millionaire athletes aren't there – the staff have all told me how polite and nice the players have been to them."
On Sunday the Mallaghans will be solely focused on Gaelic football again as Tyrone take on Antrim in the final of the Ulster Championship. "I haven't missed a Tyrone match in years, despite living in Kildare all these years. The native blood never leaves you," Mr Mallaghan said.
If you see me Fred, introduce yourself
Quote from: ziggysego on July 18, 2009, 11:36:44 PM
If you see me Fred, introduce yourself
sure i was talkin til ya last saturday nite u eejet wen u fell outta ur chair!
is it the same yoke ur meetin 2mara
Jayz, ya musta been in some state last Saturday Ziggy :D
Quote from: fred the red on July 18, 2009, 11:40:11 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 18, 2009, 11:36:44 PM
If you see me Fred, introduce yourself
sure i was talkin til ya last saturday nite u eejet wen u fell outta ur chair!
is it the same yoke ur meetin 2mara
pints on me tomorrow lads, should we win ;)
Quote from: milltown row on July 18, 2009, 11:42:48 PM
Quote from: fred the red on July 18, 2009, 11:40:11 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 18, 2009, 11:36:44 PM
If you see me Fred, introduce yourself
sure i was talkin til ya last saturday nite u eejet wen u fell outta ur chair!
is it the same yoke ur meetin 2mara
pints on me tomorrow lads, should we win ;)
Thought you were away to bed!!
watching Khan, besides i know the way to Clones, club plays a lot a of games there every so often ;)
Quote from: milltown row on July 18, 2009, 11:48:52 PM
watching Khan, besides i know the way to Clones, club plays a lot a of games there every so often ;)
Ah right...Hibernian or the Creighton it is then ;)
Quote from: fred the red on July 18, 2009, 11:40:11 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 18, 2009, 11:36:44 PM
If you see me Fred, introduce yourself
sure i was talkin til ya last saturday nite u eejet wen u fell outta ur chair!
is it the same yoke ur meetin 2mara
Oh that was you! Yeah, meeting the same girl.
Feck it I'd love to be off the rocker in Clones tomorrow, should be a clinker....5 am start for me but looking forward to it!!
Tyrone 1-15 Antrim 0-12 8)
Mayo 1-13 Galway 0-14 :-\
Really weird dream last night surrounding the match today. After many strange adventures on the way we finally arrived at the ground with the score 1-16 apiece. Antrim went on to win by a point 2-21 to 2-20. I'd say Antrim would be happy with 27 points today!
Best of luck to Baker, Niall Conway and the Antrim team today. If they have the believe in themselves they will run Tyrone very close, if they freeze they will be stuffed. The best chance the Saffrons have is to dominate possesion around midfield and to take the ball down the wings. Tyrone wont have faced a fitter and hungrier team in a long time, wether that will be enough time will tell.
Best of Luck Antrim, Hope yees can do it. All the best.
No mercy, no patronising, Tyrone by 8.
Waiting for my passengers to arrive at my house, wish they'd hurry up!!
Anybody a spare flask ??????? ;)
Heading to game now. Have to honest, I fear for Antrim. Need a big first 20 minutes.
Anyone know if this is sold out? Was thinkin of a last minute jaunt to clones!
On the way as we speak - looking forward to it. My first Ulster final as I said earlier in the week. Hope all of the hype surrounding the game and these fixtures in the past rings true and it's a cracker.
Hope it's as good as the Leinster, best of luck to both teams but would love to see Antrim do it...
Al the best to the Saffrons
Stopped in fivemiletown and all i see is antrim cars.
its great to see and maybe Antrim can break the Tyrone/Armagh stranglehold on the Anglo Celt Cup.
Good Luck Antrim!
aNy web links lads? Have to work in Turkey.
Quote from: mc_grens on July 19, 2009, 01:04:22 PM
aNy web links lads? Have to work in Turkey.
Was wondering the same?
Look at the rte.ie proxy page there are links on there.
Jarlath Burns' daughter is tasty by the way!
Which one do you have working? I used that iraqgoals yesterday but they are showing some other shite today.
QuoteJarlath Burns' daughter is tasty by the way!
Indeed. Did she sing an "alternative" line in the first line of the national anthem? Or was it just her accent?
promising start from Antrim, Looks like they want to really get stuck in
Antrim need to let the ball go quicker!
Antrim way way out of their depth here
Justin TV Nern feed not working. Anyone have another feed?
http://www.freedocast.com/Davidgj (http://www.freedocast.com/Davidgj)
not great, but better than nothing
Hasn't T McCann been playing as defender all year. Commentators not well up on their research.
Quote from: tyssam5 on July 19, 2009, 02:21:34 PM
Hasn't T McCann been playing as defender all year. Commentators not well up on their research.
He's been playing in the forwards, around midfield and the half forward line I think
Maybe its Terry O'Neill you're thinking of? He's been playing the sweeper role all year
No apathy from Tyrone today! Antrim getting cleaned out in the middle third.
Is there a number 6 on the Antrim team?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on July 19, 2009, 02:22:27 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on July 19, 2009, 02:21:34 PM
Hasn't T McCann been playing as defender all year. Commentators not well up on their research.
He's been playing in the forwards, around midfield and the half forward line I think
Maybe its Terry O'Neill you're thinking of? He's been playing the sweeper role all year
Aye apologies to the commentators for once. What was Tommy at with that shot?
Men against boys
Quote from: Hardy on July 19, 2009, 02:25:24 PM
Is there a number 6 on the Antrim team?
Ah there he is - thinks he's CHF.
28 minutes gone and still no score from play
Antrim will need to go some in the second half to rescue this.
Gents who won the minor game?
armagh
Quote from: tyssam5 on July 19, 2009, 02:51:06 PM
Gents who won the minor game?
Tyrone are 1-8 to 0-5 up at half time. Real game, real football, proper champion starts at 1600 over in Connacht.
Fair play to an Ulster man for accepting that you have second rate football.
Quote from: Bulwinkle on July 19, 2009, 02:55:15 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on July 19, 2009, 02:51:06 PM
Gents who won the minor game?
Tyrone are 1-8 to 0-5 up at half time. Real game, real football, proper champion starts at 1600 over in Connacht.
Fair play to an Ulster man for accepting that you have second rate football.
I thought about that for a while, I was confused. Now I have it, you think that was joke. Good man.
Quote from: tyssam5 on July 19, 2009, 02:57:52 PM
Quote from: Bulwinkle on July 19, 2009, 02:55:15 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on July 19, 2009, 02:51:06 PM
Gents who won the minor game?
Tyrone are 1-8 to 0-5 up at half time. Real game, real football, proper champion starts at 1600 over in Connacht.
Fair play to an Ulster man for accepting that you have second rate football.
I thought about that for a while, I was confused. Now I have it, you think that was joke. Good man.
I will use smaller words next time.
Pensose very quiet after his good game last time. So hot and cold Martin.
Awful ball from Joey. Antrim goal would have put the game on there.
i see the ref's giving antrim EVERYTHING!
Quote from: talktothehand on July 19, 2009, 03:10:10 PM
i see the ref's giving antrim EVERYTHING!
away and feck!
COME ON ANTRIM !!
Quote from: talktothehand on July 19, 2009, 03:10:10 PM
i see the ref's giving antrim EVERYTHING!
Only when they are more than 6 behind.
Quotei see the ref's giving antrim EVERYTHING!
??? ??? ???
Have to say I haven't seen a team in the championship yet whose foot-passing is as good as Tyrone's.
What the f**k is Cunningham doing in front of goal. Someone should explain they are getting stuffed and need a goal!
great play muggsy. that's why we're champions!
what was jordan booked for you mug? or sean? you are a plum!!
Quote from: talktothehand on July 19, 2009, 03:25:48 PM
what was jordan booked for you mug? or sean? you are a plum!!
I'm not getting in to a slagging match with a child, cheers all the same.
Quote from: glens73 on July 19, 2009, 03:26:51 PM
Quote from: talktothehand on July 19, 2009, 03:25:48 PM
what was jordan booked for you mug? or sean? you are a plum!!
I'm not getting in to a slagging match with a child, cheers all the same.
Its always the same here when the schools are off, glens !
Quote from: glens73 on July 19, 2009, 03:26:51 PM
Quote from: talktothehand on July 19, 2009, 03:25:48 PM
what was jordan booked for you mug? or sean? you are a plum!!
I'm not getting in to a slagging match with a child, cheers all the same.
aye a six foot six fifteen and a half stone child. stick to the soccer city boy
Quote from: talktothehand on July 19, 2009, 03:32:12 PM
Quote from: glens73 on July 19, 2009, 03:26:51 PM
Quote from: talktothehand on July 19, 2009, 03:25:48 PM
what was jordan booked for you mug? or sean? you are a plum!!
I'm not getting in to a slagging match with a child, cheers all the same.
aye a six foot six fifteen and a half stone child. stick to the soccer city boy
Where are the glens of antrim?
oh sorry. didn't realize you were from the kingdom of dalriada. scotland isn't it?
Paddy Cunningham gets what should be the last score in the Ulster final. My MOTM
a stroll!! can we play you every week please? :-*
Job done but plenty to work on. Tyrone lifted it when they had to but at times it all looked a bit complacent. Big Sean did well back in his deeper role but in fairness he wasnt marked very well. SON didnt have his best day. Anyway a 12th Anglo Celt so well done to the panel on that and well done to Antrim too on reaching the final and giving it a decent go, other teams might have folded today but they kept plugging away. Good luck to them in the qualifiers.
Its good to be in the All-Ireland series with a minimum of fuss but it remains to be seen if the lack of a real hard game so far will work for or against Tyrone when they come up against battle hardened sides from the qualifiers.
Quote from: talktothehand on July 19, 2009, 03:37:21 PM
a stroll!! can we play you every week please? :-*
Go back to hoganstand
Quote from: glens73 on July 19, 2009, 03:33:56 PM
Quote from: talktothehand on July 19, 2009, 03:32:12 PM
Quote from: glens73 on July 19, 2009, 03:26:51 PM
Quote from: talktothehand on July 19, 2009, 03:25:48 PM
what was jordan booked for you mug? or sean? you are a plum!!
I'm not getting in to a slagging match with a child, cheers all the same.
aye a six foot six fifteen and a half stone child. stick to the soccer city boy
Where are the glens of antrim?
Glens why are you bothering with this clown? Only a few more weeks until the schools are back.
On the match, it was a real anti climax from an Antrim perspective. Tyrone were never in trouble.
A lot of big fans decided to post on the gaaboard rather than go down to the game I see.
Score?
Much as I expected. I think Antrim did well in that they didn't get hammered. Antrim are starting on the base of a ladder and it takes time to climb that ladder - I have no doubt Antrim will continue to move up the ranks but there fans need to give them some time to learn. Tyrone are top of the ladder, ultra hardened with players that have really experienced everything in football. Its no shame to be beaten by them and I'm sure Antrim can tighten someone in the backdoor.
Result never really in doubt IMO.
However few negative points, Steven ONeill never scored 2day, he has kicked 0-1 in last two games, Will he start the next game? with so many people pushing for places i can see him being lef ton the bench.
Mugsy had good game without really shinning, kicking 3 points from play and no1 even mentions him.
PJ Quinn got bit of a roasting 2day Cunningham kicked 0-11 2day and io make it 5 from play??
HArtes Subs:
Tyrone have an unbelievable bench we can all see that but to be honest as mentioned above the result was never really in doubt i would have liked to see a few new faces being introduced. Sean ONeill for one is bound to be gutted. Game time could have been given to Aidy Cassidy and Damian McCaul.
Gourley who was left out of All ireland final last year after playing whole semi final and playing well got his token appearance. Does anyone else think Harte was basically saying to the young ones in the panel that you have plenty of time to make ulster final appearances you have to earn them!
was raymond mulgrew there?
Agree with the subs issue. Colm Cavanagh on yet again >:(
No sign of Niall Gormley and Mulgrew.
Still dont know what Colm Cavanagh brings to the party.
Something for us to chat about
Quote from: tyssam5 on July 19, 2009, 03:16:20 PM
Quote from: talktothehand on July 19, 2009, 03:10:10 PM
i see the ref's giving antrim EVERYTHING!
Only when they are more than 6 behind.
Correct.
IMO the ref was quite soft on Antrim to try and avoid them getting a tanking.
Also felt Tyrone had another 2 or 3 gears they could shift up if necessary. A few times they shifted up one and put on three or four points then dropped down the gears again.
One of my housemates (Antrim fella) was down at it. I said on Fri night to him that if needed*, Tyrone could probably turn them over by 30 points... I seen nothing today that would suggest otherwise.
*By if needed, I mean if Tyrone started with a 30 point handicap,
and knew it. (i.e. it is NOT a betting handicap)
As expected really, Tyrone didn't get out of 3rd gear, were never under any real pressure and still managed to win comofortably.
anyone know when the Quarter final draw is?
Quote from: cadhlancian on July 19, 2009, 05:46:09 PM
anyone know when the Quarter final draw is?
Next Sunday night I'd assume.
Tyrone were coasting today but to be fair to Antrim they showed a bit of guts dug in and kept things respectable. They were closer on the scoreboard to Tyrone than Derry were. Thought Sean Cavanagh was excellent and I particularly enjoyed the goal having backed him at 10/1. 8) Tyrone's huge strength is that they seem to rely on different players to win the game for them each day. A great thing to have in a team.
i though the Ref was terrible today and kept offering Antrim a lifeline back into the game.
Fair play to Antrim never gave up and they will offer a threat in the qualifers
Quote from: cadhlancian on July 19, 2009, 05:46:09 PM
anyone know when the Quarter final draw is?
draw must be 2nite as the games will be played next week
I am startin to worry about Tyrone at this stage of the championship. The term "Tyrone never really got out of 3rd gear" is startin to annoy me. In my opinion this is Tyrone playing as well as they can, no team goes out in an Ulster final with the mentality that we will just do enough to get bye. The best thing Tyrone could have done Today was to beat Antrim by 10 or more points to show that they mean business but they didn't. I really fear for Tyrone in the next stage of the championship and for the people who seem to think Tyrone can up a gear or two what if this is Tyrone in top gear.
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 19, 2009, 06:32:37 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on July 19, 2009, 05:46:09 PM
anyone know when the Quarter final draw is?
draw must be 2nite as the games will be played next week
The draw for the beaten provincial finalists and the remaining qualifier teams is on tonight but don't think the draw for the quarter finals is on tonight.
Quote from: Hereiam on July 19, 2009, 06:35:23 PM
I am startin to worry about Tyrone at this stage of the championship. The term "Tyrone never really got out of 3rd gear" is startin to annoy me. In my opinion this is Tyrone playing as well as they can, no team goes out in an Ulster final with the mentality that we will just do enough to get bye. The best thing Tyrone could have done Today was to beat Antrim by 10 or more points to show that they mean business but they didn't. I really fear for Tyrone in the next stage of the championship and for the people who seem to think Tyrone can up a gear or two what if this is Tyrone in top gear.
the real businness starts in August/ September
it is hard to play brilliant football every time you go out. I would say the dubs for example will find it hard to produce that type of performance
that they did against Kildare/westmeath the next two days they go out. Better to hit the heights around quarter final/semi final stage just like Tyrone have done in 05/08. Its not bad when you win an Ulster Championship without getting out of 3rd gear. So far only certain players have played well in certain games
But if everyone hits form on the one day then we are in for some display. Mickey will be loving the fact that he has a lot of things to work on
Quote from: Hereiam on July 19, 2009, 06:35:23 PM
I am startin to worry about Tyrone at this stage of the championship. The term "Tyrone never really got out of 3rd gear" is startin to annoy me. In my opinion this is Tyrone playing as well as they can, no team goes out in an Ulster final with the mentality that we will just do enough to get bye. The best thing Tyrone could have done Today was to beat Antrim by 10 or more points to show that they mean business but they didn't. I really fear for Tyrone in the next stage of the championship and for the people who seem to think Tyrone can up a gear or two what if this is Tyrone in top gear.
I agree, if they meet the likes of Kerry in the quarters, Kerry will be more match-fit and could well beat them. The inttensity of the back door route has served Tyrone well in the past
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 19, 2009, 06:22:18 PM
i though the Ref was terrible today and kept offering Antrim a lifeline back into the game.
Fair play to Antrim never gave up and they will offer a threat in the qualifers
A majority of the crowd seemed to agree with you as when the Ulster Council President thanked the referee you could hear the loud booing from the crowd.
Quote from: Hereiam on July 19, 2009, 06:35:23 PM
I am startin to worry about Tyrone at this stage of the championship. The term "Tyrone never really got out of 3rd gear" is startin to annoy me. In my opinion this is Tyrone playing as well as they can, no team goes out in an Ulster final with the mentality that we will just do enough to get bye. The best thing Tyrone could have done Today was to beat Antrim by 10 or more points to show that they mean business but they didn't. I really fear for Tyrone in the next stage of the championship and for the people who seem to think Tyrone can up a gear or two what if this is Tyrone in top gear.
I don't agree .The reason why I think Tyrone will win this year is based on the adaptbaility of their players to adapt to different gameplans to nullify the opposition threats. No other team in Ireland has that flexibility. In my view they are playing extremely well.
Whether its the Bradleys, Niall Mc Keever, Twin Towers etec etc- Tyrone can adjust their gameplan to snuff it out. 95% of county teams are lucky if they have a PLan A - Tyrone have A, B, C and probably D.
They are better at midfield then they were last year and have more options off the bench. No team is unbeatable- but the team that beats them will win the All-Ireland. that I have no doubt.
The saffrons brought great colour and banter to Clones today. Its great to see the enthusiasm this run has generated within their fans, I really hope they see Croke park and give their fans a day out down there.
Tyrone always had that bit extra today but there are plenty of areas to work on. Gormley, the 2 McMahons and Cavanagh all had very good games I thought.
PJ got it tough with Cunningham while Dooher, O'Neill and Penrose were all not at their usual standard and could have been taken off earlier. Club loyalties aside the substitution of Tommy puzzled me slightly to be honest. Cant quite work out the fascination with Colm Cavanagh myself to be honest. Longball was asking earlier about Mulgrew, by all accounts he left the panel last week and didn't go to Carlton house for the weekend with the squad but was coaxed back.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 19, 2009, 07:51:20 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on July 19, 2009, 06:35:23 PM
I am startin to worry about Tyrone at this stage of the championship. The term "Tyrone never really got out of 3rd gear" is startin to annoy me. In my opinion this is Tyrone playing as well as they can, no team goes out in an Ulster final with the mentality that we will just do enough to get bye. The best thing Tyrone could have done Today was to beat Antrim by 10 or more points to show that they mean business but they didn't. I really fear for Tyrone in the next stage of the championship and for the people who seem to think Tyrone can up a gear or two what if this is Tyrone in top gear.
I don't agree .The reason why I think Tyrone will win this year is based on the adaptbaility of their players to adapt to different gameplans to nullify the opposition threats. No other team in Ireland has that flexibility. In my view they are playing extremely well.
Whether its the Bradleys, Niall Mc Keever, Twin Towers etec etc- Tyrone can adjust their gameplan to snuff it out. 95% of county teams are lucky if they have a PLan A - Tyrone have A, B, C and probably D.
They are better at midfield then they were last year and have more options off the bench. No team is unbeatable- but the team that beats them will win the All-Ireland. that I have no doubt.
The adaptability of the Tyrone players gives them a big advantage over most teams. The way the players can think on their feet and organise themselves in real time during games is extremely impressive. Mickey Harte correctly gets a lot of plaudits but the players ability to cope and adapt in different situations and more crucially under pressure is what sets them apart - Cavanagh alluded to as much in his interview in the Irish Times (I think) yesterday.
The referee kept the score difference from going into double figures- a very poor display
Quote from: loughshore lad on July 19, 2009, 07:54:51 PM
The saffrons brought great colour and banter to Clones today. Its great to see the enthusiasm this run has generated within their fans, I really hope they see Croke park and give their fans a day out down there.
Tyrone always had that bit extra today but there are plenty of areas to work on. Gormley, the 2 McMahons and Cavanagh all had very good games I thought.
PJ got it tough with Cunningham while Dooher, O'Neill and Penrose were all not at their usual standard and could have been taken off earlier. Club loyalties aside the substitution of Tommy puzzled me slightly to be honest. Cant quite work out the fascination with Colm Cavanagh myself to be honest. Longball was asking earlier about Mulgrew, by all accounts he left the panel last week and didn't go to Carlton house for the weekend with the squad but was coaxed back.
I`d heard last weekend that colm cavanagh was nearly sure of starting today instead of enda from 1 of the players,was supposed to be playing deadly well in training.funny how people can latch onto certain players and start 2 criticise them,i think we`ll leave it 2 mickey 2 decide he know`s best he see`s them in training more than the people that comment here.as for the mulgrew story he wud`nt have been in carton house as tyrone didnt stay their.as for the game tyrone never got out of 1st gear.stevie`s form is worrying.have 2 say after watching the video that padraig hughes is a clown i thought he was antrims best player as i said a wk ago i knew we wud get nothing of him.
That Antrim crowd gave great support to their team in their efforts to get back into the game
It will be interesting to see how that team perform in the next round.
Only Armagh, for a brief 2nd half period, ruffled Tyrone out of their stride in this years UC.
Today Tyrone were ready at all times to up their game when required.
No surprise to most people that they are the well deserved Ulster champions of 2009 and by a country mile.
Quote from: up tyrone on July 19, 2009, 08:09:50 PM
Quote from: loughshore lad on July 19, 2009, 07:54:51 PM
The saffrons brought great colour and banter to Clones today. Its great to see the enthusiasm this run has generated within their fans, I really hope they see Croke park and give their fans a day out down there.
Tyrone always had that bit extra today but there are plenty of areas to work on. Gormley, the 2 McMahons and Cavanagh all had very good games I thought.
PJ got it tough with Cunningham while Dooher, O'Neill and Penrose were all not at their usual standard and could have been taken off earlier. Club loyalties aside the substitution of Tommy puzzled me slightly to be honest. Cant quite work out the fascination with Colm Cavanagh myself to be honest. Longball was asking earlier about Mulgrew, by all accounts he left the panel last week and didn't go to Carlton house for the weekend with the squad but was coaxed back.
I`d heard last weekend that colm cavanagh was nearly sure of starting today instead of enda from 1 of the players,was supposed to be playing deadly well in training.funny how people can latch onto certain players and start 2 criticise them,i think we`ll leave it 2 mickey 2 decide he know`s best he see`s them in training more than the people that comment here.as for the mulgrew story he wud`nt have been in carton house as tyrone didnt stay their.as for the game tyrone never got out of 1st gear.stevie`s form is worrying.have 2 say after watching the video that padraig hughes is a clown i thought he was antrims best player as i said a wk ago i knew we wud get nothing of him.
I didnt criticise Colm Cavanagh - I just said I dont see the fascination with him, there is a difference. One of the players told me the same thing about him playing well in training as well, the same player also told me Mulgrew didnt go last weekend and I have no reason to doubt that.
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 19, 2009, 06:41:58 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on July 19, 2009, 06:35:23 PM
I am startin to worry about Tyrone at this stage of the championship. The term "Tyrone never really got out of 3rd gear" is startin to annoy me. In my opinion this is Tyrone playing as well as they can, no team goes out in an Ulster final with the mentality that we will just do enough to get bye. The best thing Tyrone could have done Today was to beat Antrim by 10 or more points to show that they mean business but they didn't. I really fear for Tyrone in the next stage of the championship and for the people who seem to think Tyrone can up a gear or two what if this is Tyrone in top gear.
the real businness starts in August/ September
it is hard to play brilliant football every time you go out. I would say the dubs for example will find it hard to produce that type of performance
that they did against Kildare/westmeath the next two days they go out. Better to hit the heights around quarter final/semi final stage just like Tyrone have done in 05/08. Its not bad when you win an Ulster Championship without getting out of 3rd gear. So far only certain players have played well in certain games
But if everyone hits form on the one day then we are in for some display. Mickey will be loving the fact that he has a lot of things to work on
I'm still looking forward to a big game from Stevie O'Neill.
I wouldn't entirely agree with the opinion the ref gave antrim everything. He dished out cards very quickly to antrim i thought and justin mcmahon probably should have conceded a few more frees...
Antrim ran into a few problems at the start. Basically Kevin Brady hadn't the legs for Tyrone's attacking HB line, McMenamim was killing them as the spare man and Niall McKeever didn't have the legs to get anywhere near Sean Cavanagh. Once they rectified these then the game was a lot better however damage had been done. One other problem was poor keeper kickouts which never got rectified.
Antrim stayed in it well at times and to be honest have the makings of a decent side. I was happy with the display. We, or most teams, are just not at Tyrone's level. Every player on Tyrone's side is just so mobile and adept on the ball. While O'Neill may get criticism every time he gets the ball something looks likely to happen. The weakest link in your team would be I would say, Penrose.
Joe McMahon, Cavanagh, McMenamin(my MoM), Justin McMahon best for Tyrone.
Mick McCann, Tony Scullion and Cunningham best for Antrim. Expected better of Tomas.
Those who say that was a stroll - it was no greater a stroll than any of your last two games so a tad patronising on antrim.
QuoteI'm still looking forward to a big game from Stevie O'Neill.
I think some of ye might be misinterpreting what it is he has been doing in there
He draws men to him out of fear which in turn opens a lot of space for the others.
Sure it cut's down on his scoring threat having two or three men on him but I think he's doing just fine
..the likes of Mulligan needs him in there !
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 19, 2009, 08:29:52 PM
QuoteI'm still looking forward to a big game from Stevie O'Neill.
I think some of ye might be misinterpreting what it is he has been doing in there
He draws men to him out of fear which in turn opens a lot of space for the others.
Sure it cut's down on his scoring threat having two or three men on him but I think he's doing just fine
..the likes of Mulligan needs him in there !
I agree completely. I know that value of what he is doing, a lot like what we used to get from PC on certain days. Just looking forward to seeing him cut loose in Croker if given the chance.
Now can some man who is smarter than me explain the mechanics of the 1/4 final draw, can we get anybody or how does it work?
we will meet one of the winners from the qualifiers but we cant meet Antrim
Quote from: tyronefan on July 19, 2009, 08:38:59 PM
we will meet one of the winners from the qualifiers but we cant meet Antrim
Right but are the semis (not be presuming anything) still done on provincial basis, i.e. say all provincial champs won, would we be playing a certain province this year in the semi?
Yes... Munster I believe
the winners of Ulster or whoever beats them in the quarters plays the winners of Munster or who ever beats them in the quarters and the same with the other 2
I know after last year it's the pot calling the kettle black, but it's unfair on provincial winners not knowing who they are playing.
What game do Mickey Harte/Tony Donnelly goto next weekend?
Loughshore Lad, have to disagree, Tommy would have been my second player subbed, after John Devine. I thought the kickouts left a bit to be desired today.
That's the first match since Newry last yr that Brian Dooher hasn't scored in, and yet I wasn't too unhappy with his performance, some sublime passes made. Prob doesn't have 70 mins in him any more.
Oh, and the anthem singer sang the right first line... :P
Just goes to show the strength in-depth in Tyrone whenever their main forward O'Neill and their captain Dooher both had poor games by their standards and they still won easily.
That was astroll in the park today. I have to say that i think we are in great shape compared to this time last year. I would be concerned about O'Neills form, and Mickey is going to soon have to amke a call on it that i don't think he wants to do, but as we all know in football the next game can turn it all around. Big sean destroyed Mc Keever. My only worry is that due to having not had a real test that when one comes we might just struggle to meet it heag on, but no better group of footballers to do back to back All irelands.
Antrim did just about OK, but that was done to Tyrones kindness, the game was dead and buried after 12 mintues.
Quote from: Rois on July 19, 2009, 09:04:37 PM
Loughshore Lad, have to disagree, Tommy would have been my second player subbed, after John Devine. I thought the kickouts left a bit to be desired today.
That's the first match since Newry last yr that Brian Dooher hasn't scored in, and yet I wasn't too unhappy with his performance, some sublime passes made. Prob doesn't have 70 mins in him any more.
Oh, and the anthem singer sang the right first line... :P
Totally agree. Devine's kick outs were awful. Some straight to an unmarked Antrim man, and I can remember two that went out over the sideline around the 45.
Personally, I didn't think the ref was too bad!
Anybody keep a count of the kickouts we (Tyrone) won today. Thought that we played second fiddle around the middle for long periods. Some of Devine's kickouts were brutal.
tyrone look great, their gonna kill us in sept if we get that far ;D
Quote from: magickingdom on July 19, 2009, 09:31:20 PM
tyrone look great, their gonna kill us in sept if we get that far ;D
The last thing we need or want is patronising Kerrymen. Anyway it doesn't become you.
Quote from: DCR on July 19, 2009, 09:29:03 PM
Anybody keep a count of the kickouts we (Tyrone) won today. Thought that we played second fiddle around the middle for long periods. Some of Devine's kickouts were brutal.
Jarlath Burns said at halftime that Antrim won 14 kickouts versus Tyrone's 6 (I think). Crucially though Antrim had no half forward line to speak of in first half so their primary possession ended up going nowhere.
I think SON and Dooher are getting the thin end of the wedge from some on here. Both contributed a decent amount in workrate, drawing men and layoffs to runners.
Was some amount of Antrim cars on the Monaghan Road into Armagh this evening which was a novelty. Some of supporters stopped outside Milford to check on the livestock. Either that or they were slashing against a hedge!
No, it's true Dooher was poor and O'Neill non-existant..again.
Tony I'm watching match again and agree about SON and Dooher - both involved in the goal and Cavanagh's first half point., Stevie is an incredibly astute player with his palming of the ball to the runner. Dooher saw a lot more of the ball than I'd thought.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 19, 2009, 09:46:04 PM
No, it's true Dooher was poor and O'Neill non-existant..again.
still we will keep them
wont put them on the transfer list just yet
Stevie is gonna run riot soon
A good day's work from Tyrone, and where some of the marquee names may not be performing at their best just yet, there were others to plug any gaps, i.e., Joe Mc Mahon, Kevin Hughes.
Huge credit to Antrim, they brought colour and fanfare and no little endeavour and skill to Clones, and today's game is all part of the learning experience, and they will be a stronger team for it.
Quote from: Rois on July 19, 2009, 09:50:06 PM
Tony I'm watching match again and agree about SON and Dooher - both involved in the goal and Cavanagh's first half point., Stevie is an incredibly astute player with his palming of the ball to the runner. Dooher saw a lot more of the ball than I'd thought.
Definitely not at their best, but their best is a lot to live up to. Definitely not "poor" though. I think they'll both realise more is needed the closer they get to September which is ultimately where they look like heading again. You may hit the sales for a new dress!
Thought they way Antrim were set up from the start crucified them. McMenamin and Joe McMahon were basically free men down Tyrone's left wing for the first fifteen minutes and contributed 3 of their first 4 points. After Tyrone had opened up the 6 or 7 point gap there was always only gonna be one winner and Tyrone were really only ticking over for the rest of the game. Similar enough pattern to the Tyrone Armagh game I think, with Tyrone well on top and happy sitting on a 5 or 6 point lead. The only difference today was that Antrim didn't grab a goal to make Tyrone sweat for a bit.
Happy enough with the performance today. Tyrone still have alot left and this team are to experienced to be complacent and rubbish any rumours of not being tested so far in the championship.
Best for Tyrone today were Cavanagh, Joe McMahon and Ricey. Not too many of them played bad, Dooher, Penrose and O'Neill may not have scored but put in an awful lot of work and set up alot of scores.
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2009, 10:24:15 PM
Cavanagh gets MOTM. Had a great game. Hard to find a man to both match him in the air and have the legs to stick to him.
Paddy Cunningham gets the Frank McGuigan 11 point plate. ;D
At least Paddy Cunningham showed up unlike Frank
Yeah Tyrone won easy enough, but I dont like their tackics, never liked their tackics and never will like their tactics.
1) Antrim should have been awarded a couple of frees from where the landed after Tyrone took out the man after he played the ball.
2) All Tyrone players have perfected the falling down thing.
3) Whenever an opposing team score two points in a row, a Tyrone player will get seriously injured and need medical treatment thereby defusing the steam built up by the opponent.
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2009, 10:24:15 PM
Cavanagh gets MOTM. Had a great game. Hard to find a man to both match him in the air and have the legs to stick to him.
Paddy Cunningham gets the Frank McGuigan 11 point plate. ;D
But Paddy only got 4 from play.
Tommy Lyons talked Sean Cavanagh and his integrity. While I respect Sean Cavanagh as he's a great player he at times falls over very very easily so it's not a word I'd associate with him!
Anyway fair dues to Tyrone. They are quite simply awesome.
Antrim have done us proud. Bring on Kerry!
I fancy a double header with the Kildare game in Croke.
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2009, 09:17:44 PM
Ah well, I suppose.
Congratulations and fair play to Tyrone on a thoroughly deserved Ulster title. Streets ahead of the chasing pack. Superb outfit.
For our boys - Well done. We all dreamed but in reality, it was always a long shot. Although some lads will be disappointed with their performances, everyone tried and gave their lot for 70 minutes. That's all we can ask for. Some silly errors etc but that happens. Heads up and give the next game a rattle. We are going forward and we have to keep it going. You did Antrim proud.
Our supporters - Excellent. Despite a tiny minority who don't even deserve a mention, I thought our supporters were great. Brought lots of colour and support. Even at the final whistle, almost everyone stayed for a while, waving flags and cheering. Great stuff.
Ref - will have to see the game again before commenting. It can be hard to tell when you're at the match and kicking every ball. You always seem to think he's humping your own team. :D
Great day, even though we were beaten (quite comfortably). I hope to f**k it's not another 39 years and I really don't think it will be.
Aontroim Abú.
Agree with that Hardstation, the "Saffron Army Aldergrove brigade" a notable exception. Generally Antrim brought great colour and noise. Fair enough, a big percentage of the Antrim support are jumping on the bandwagon after a victory or two but hopefully a decent amount of them will stick at following the team now, next week and in the years to come.
Quote from: Orior on July 19, 2009, 10:52:24 PM
Yeah Tyrone won easy enough, but I dont like their tackics, never liked their tackics and never will like their tactics.
1) Antrim should have been awarded a couple of frees from where the landed after Tyrone took out the man after he played the ball.
2) All Tyrone players have perfected the falling down thing.
3) Whenever an opposing team score two points in a row, a Tyrone player will get seriously injured and need medical treatment thereby defusing the steam built up by the opponent.
Any examples of 2 and 3?. And with regards to 1 as the saying goes "Opinions are like a*s* holes - everybody has one"
I thought Aldergrove were finished & had to go back to Glenavy?
Just thought the main difference today was antrims decision making on the ball, they were having to do things quicker than they have been used to. They will only improve from today and should not fear Kerry. From a Tyrone point of view a hard game over and hurdle jumped. The team has a lot to work on but that is not a bad thing, several players are capable of better and will hopefully show what they are made of. It will be good to get back to Croke Park.
Not that it really matters that much but I've seen Ricey (as he did today) go down and stay down longer than normal whenever the other team has the momentum.
Any talk of ref bias today is rubbish, thought he was sound.
Quote from: DCR on July 19, 2009, 11:00:40 PM
Quote from: Orior on July 19, 2009, 10:52:24 PM
Yeah Tyrone won easy enough, but I dont like their tackics, never liked their tackics and never will like their tactics.
1) Antrim should have been awarded a couple of frees from where the landed after Tyrone took out the man after he played the ball.
2) All Tyrone players have perfected the falling down thing.
3) Whenever an opposing team score two points in a row, a Tyrone player will get seriously injured and need medical treatment thereby defusing the steam built up by the opponent.
Any examples of 2 and 3?. And with regards to 1 as the saying goes "Opinions are like a*s* holes - everybody has one"
:D An Armagh man with the audacity to mention the infamous late hit...get out a that Orior FFS :D
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 19, 2009, 10:47:51 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2009, 10:24:15 PM
Cavanagh gets MOTM. Had a great game. Hard to find a man to both match him in the air and have the legs to stick to him.
Paddy Cunningham gets the Frank McGuigan 11 point plate. ;D
At least Paddy Cunningham showed up unlike Frank
Where would Frank have been today? 1984 team being paraded and it the Frank McGuigan final. Also two sons playing in an ulster final. Couldnt understand his absence.
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 19, 2009, 11:11:23 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 19, 2009, 10:47:51 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2009, 10:24:15 PM
Cavanagh gets MOTM. Had a great game. Hard to find a man to both match him in the air and have the legs to stick to him.
Paddy Cunningham gets the Frank McGuigan 11 point plate. ;D
At least Paddy Cunningham showed up unlike Frank
Where would Frank have been today? 1984 team being paraded and it the Frank McGuigan final. Also two sons playing in an ulster final. Couldnt understand his absence.
Frank doesn't go to games where "no team gets bate".
Quote from: Orior on July 19, 2009, 10:52:24 PM
Yeah Tyrone won easy enough, but I dont like their tackics, never liked their tackics and never will like their tactics.
1) Antrim should have been awarded a couple of frees from where the landed after Tyrone took out the man after he played the ball.
2) All Tyrone players have perfected the falling down thing.
3) Whenever an opposing team score two points in a row, a Tyrone player will get seriously injured and need medical treatment thereby defusing the steam built up by the opponent.
That's possibly the most juvenile post I've read on here today. Like a petulant child.
You missed Antrim's 3rd, 4th and 5th points scored in a row, and perhaps their 7th, 8th and 9th?
Where was this falling over you talk about? When Cavanagh's arm was held in to earn him a yellow? Brian Dooher being fouled high? Tyrone had 14 frees awarded, Antrim 29. Doesn't really suggest a team that's consistently looking for the foul, or if they do, they're very bad at it.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 19, 2009, 11:16:32 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 19, 2009, 11:11:23 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 19, 2009, 10:47:51 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2009, 10:24:15 PM
Cavanagh gets MOTM. Had a great game. Hard to find a man to both match him in the air and have the legs to stick to him.
Paddy Cunningham gets the Frank McGuigan 11 point plate. ;D
At least Paddy Cunningham showed up unlike Frank
Where would Frank have been today? 1984 team being paraded and it the Frank McGuigan final. Also two sons playing in an ulster final. Couldnt understand his absence.
Frank doesn't go to games where "no team gets bate".
A fierce narcissistic view point in my book...what could be more important to a man
than to watch two of his sons win Ulster medals regardless of his own hang ups ???
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Quote from: DCR on July 19, 2009, 11:00:40 PM
Quote from: Orior on July 19, 2009, 10:52:24 PM
Yeah Tyrone won easy enough, but I dont like their tackics, never liked their tackics and never will like their tactics.
1) Antrim should have been awarded a couple of frees from where the landed after Tyrone took out the man after he played the ball.
2) All Tyrone players have perfected the falling down thing.
3) Whenever an opposing team score two points in a row, a Tyrone player will get seriously injured and need medical treatment thereby defusing the steam built up by the opponent.
Any examples of 2 and 3?. And with regards to 1 as the saying goes "Opinions are like a*s* holes - everybody has one"
3) About 15 minutes to go and Antrim after knocking over two or three points in a row to get within five I think and Ricey is struck down by a mysterious injury before the next kickout is taken. By the time he 'recovers' the Antrim chant and buzz has died down and their momentum is gone. Tyrone win the next kickout and the Antrim mini revival is dead.
Fairly unsporting but clever all the same. Don't blame Tyrone at all for these wee tricks, they're not the only team to pull them out when they need to.
Ach Hardstation go and find your own argument, or at least make some sort of point.
Ah, I see RTE misinformed us about the free count but it emphasises the point.
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 19, 2009, 11:19:31 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 19, 2009, 11:16:32 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 19, 2009, 11:11:23 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 19, 2009, 10:47:51 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2009, 10:24:15 PM
Cavanagh gets MOTM. Had a great game. Hard to find a man to both match him in the air and have the legs to stick to him.
Paddy Cunningham gets the Frank McGuigan 11 point plate. ;D
At least Paddy Cunningham showed up unlike Frank
Where would Frank have been today? 1984 team being paraded and it the Frank McGuigan final. Also two sons playing in an ulster final. Couldnt understand his absence.
Frank doesn't go to games where "no team gets bate".
A fierce narcissistic view point in my book...what could be more important to a man
than to watch two of his sons win Ulster medals regardless of his own hang ups ???
Almost as bizarre as selling an All Star award on ebay.
Almost...
in the end it was a good result for both sides. a hammering was no good to either team going into the next game. from a tyrone point point of view dooher and o'neill were very poor today but dont forget that they will always play their best football in croke park. if meath win their outstanding game i think meath would be the best possible draw for tyrone in the 1/4 finals after the fiasco of 2 years ago.
Quote from: AFS on July 19, 2009, 11:26:29 PM
Quote from: DCR on July 19, 2009, 11:00:40 PM
Quote from: Orior on July 19, 2009, 10:52:24 PM
Yeah Tyrone won easy enough, but I dont like their tackics, never liked their tackics and never will like their tactics.
1) Antrim should have been awarded a couple of frees from where the landed after Tyrone took out the man after he played the ball.
2) All Tyrone players have perfected the falling down thing.
3) Whenever an opposing team score two points in a row, a Tyrone player will get seriously injured and need medical treatment thereby defusing the steam built up by the opponent.
Any examples of 2 and 3?. And with regards to 1 as the saying goes "Opinions are like a*s* holes - everybody has one"
3) About 15 minutes to go and Antrim after knocking over two or three points in a row to get within five I think and Ricey is struck down by a mysterious injury before the next kickout is taken. By the time he 'recovers' the Antrim chant and buzz has died down and their momentum is gone. Tyrone win the next kickout and the Antrim mini revival is dead.
Fairly unsporting but clever all the same. Don't blame Tyrone at all for these wee tricks, they're not the only team to pull them out when they need to.
Is the same incident which Ricey subsequently had to go off with an ankle injury?
Seemed to me Tyrone "don't have the legs" anymore (to many miles hehe...).
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2009, 11:30:55 PM
Any man (who saw it on tv) able to comment on the Dooher/Scullion collision in the first half where Scullion got booked? Looked to me that Dooher ran right at him (possible charging). I didn't have a great view of it, I must admit.
Definately wasnt charging and no malice in it at all from Scullion. Scullion went to push him off but missed his chest and got him on the chin instead.
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2009, 11:30:55 PM
Any man (who saw it on tv) able to comment on the Dooher/Scullion collision in the first half where Scullion got booked? Looked to me that Dooher ran right at him (possible charging). I didn't have a great view of it, I must admit.
Was a free to Tyrone hardstation, pushed two hands in Dooher's face, but you would think he had been shot.
He pushed Dooher in the face... Not a striking action and I'm not sure he meant to go so high. Yellow no doubt.
I don't agree about the ref at all.
Two decisions I remember were a great help to Tyrone. Antrim down to 5 had possession. When antrim had some momentum second half he gave 2 key decisions against them - which were wrong - and led to Tyrone points which killed antrim's mini revival.
Niall McKeever should not have got a yellow when he did.
Quote from: Orior on July 19, 2009, 10:52:24 PM
Yeah Tyrone won easy enough, but I dont like their tackics, never liked their tackics and never will like their tactics.
1) Antrim should have been awarded a couple of frees from where the landed after Tyrone took out the man after he played the ball.
2) All Tyrone players have perfected the falling down thing.
3) Whenever an opposing team score two points in a row, a Tyrone player will get seriously injured and need medical treatment thereby defusing the steam built up by the opponent.
Dooher lay down feigning injury at the start when Scullion got the yellow.
Ricey lay down as if shot by a sniper after Antrim scored 2 in a row late on
sickening
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2009, 11:30:55 PM
Any man (who saw it on tv) able to comment on the Dooher/Scullion collision in the first half where Scullion got booked? Looked to me that Dooher ran right at him (possible charging). I didn't have a great view of it, I must admit.
just watched it on sky plus. scullion could have seen red tbh.
btw thanks for recommending oneills in liverpool last week - good spot.
Scullion could have seen red for that ?? Wise up, not a chance.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 19, 2009, 11:35:31 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2009, 11:30:55 PM
Any man (who saw it on tv) able to comment on the Dooher/Scullion collision in the first half where Scullion got booked? Looked to me that Dooher ran right at him (possible charging). I didn't have a great view of it, I must admit.
Was a free to Tyrone hardstation, pushed two hands in Dooher's face, but you would think he had been shot.
Par for the course for Dooher unfortunately
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2009, 11:39:05 PM
What was Ricey mouthing to McKeever about, in the first half? Ref told him to stop, he continued and got a yellow. Didn't see any altercation between the two.
Probably if ye see thon Hardstation Ballix later tell him to stop whining over spilt milk and move on to next weekend!
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2009, 11:39:05 PM
What was Ricey mouthing to McKeever about, in the first half? Ref told him to stop, he continued and got a yellow. Didn't see any altercation between the two.
Im not sure McMenamin needs an "altercation" to get at the slabbering.
Sure what else would you expect from Tyrone? They can get by at the moment with their experience and guile and I doubt there's anyone in the country to match them at the moment but from what I witnessed today - they've peaked - and more fool Mickey for not introducing more of the young lads before now.
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2009, 11:32:23 PM
Not at all. You counter-act "the most juvenile post" with an "aye, but what about" post.
Is it not common practice in an argument to try to disprove what the other party claims? Ach maybe not.
Anyway, sitting with the match on Sky+ and agree with Archie, no malice, no doubt accidental but high hands and definately not charging, not quite sure how your face can charge into someone's hand. Unfortunately for Scullion, if it had been Cavanagh he'd prob have got his shoulder.
Quote from: Minder on July 19, 2009, 11:42:13 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2009, 11:39:05 PM
What was Ricey mouthing to McKeever about, in the first half? Ref told him to stop, he continued and got a yellow. Didn't see any altercation between the two.
Im not sure McMenamin needs an "altercation" to get at the slabbering.
i'd bet it was about the oz factor
A) what does it matter :-\
B) Don't know if i've ever seen it in the rule book :-\
One thing I didn't like about the day out was after the match....was talking to Eoin Bradley after the match in the Paragon and the ause some of the Tryone fan gave him was really uncalled for.....Good day out up to that stage!!
In respect of the Dooher incident, he did run straight at Scuulion and if Scullion had kept his hands down it would have been a free against Dooher for charging. He lifted his hands though to push him back and caught him so it was a free straight away. Dooher's momentum made it look worse and in fairness to him I don't think he made anything more out of it. Definite free, definite yellow, correct decision by my old neighbour!
Fair play to Antrim for a good contest. I never envisaged them scoring 0-15 in the Ulster final and at 1-8 to 0-2 it looked fairly ominous. But those last three points in the first half spoke volumes of the metal this side is made of. I thought Baker got it completely wrong in the first half. The three man full-forward line left acres of room for Tyrone's half-back line and midfield to attack. Joe McMahon's second point was surreal. He just sauntered into wide open turf and whilst almost walking knocked it over the line. Cavanagh's goal was similar. Only when Niblock came on did he pull one of the FF line back and that space ceased to exist. After that the score read 0-13 to 0-10 in Antrim's favour!
I think some of the criticism is harsh here. Although O'Neill didn't score, he was like honey to the bee and with 2-3 Antrim defenders hanging out of him it opened up space for the likes of Mugsy to do damage. Good second half by Mulligan. I thought Penrose had a fine first half and won almost every ball that came his way. Devine's kickouts were no big deal. I thought he tried to vary it a bit and Tyrone won something like 14 from 24 kick outs whilst Antrim won 9 from 29. Good to see Sean getting back to form. Ricey had a magnificent game but was helped by Baker's ineptitude. On the down side, starting to see a wee bit of wear and tear on Tyrone's more established players. We're going to need to get to the finishing line with minimal fuss. As Donagh said, the younger lads could be crucial over the next few weeks. At times, Antrim ran at us and our more recognised players didn't have the legs to catch.
Anyway onwards and upwards. Antrim brought great colour and pre-match excitement and apart from one complete asshole amongst the Aldergrove Brigade, it was good craic.
Am I right in saying that Tyrone could draw Kerry in the Quater Finals and then play Cork in the Semi's and if things go right play Dublin in the Final. If this happens and Tyrone lift sam it could be one of the hardest won sam's, on paper anyway.
Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2009, 09:35:04 AM
On the down side, starting to see a wee bit of wear and tear on Tyrone's more established players. We're going to need to get to the finishing line with minimal fuss. As Donagh said, the younger lads could be crucial over the next few weeks. At times, Antrim ran at us and our more recognised players didn't have the legs to catch.
Not sure about that: I had more the feeling that some of those lads had already switched into post-match victory-secured mode. That's not to deny that Antrim were at their most dangerous when running with the ball, having ditched any inhibitions, and Kerry will have serious questions asked of a suspect defence if Antrim go right at them from the start.
Fair play to Trone. Have not been tested yet really which may be their downfall.
Would have to agree with posters backing up Penrose and O'Neill, especially O'Neill. Anyone calling for him to be replaced need their head examined. His off loading and general menace is a joy to watch at all times, even when not pulverising the scoreboard. The pre match parade was a tremendous feast of colour and excitement and the craic in the town before and after excellent I thought. Regarding the game itself, big Joe had a colossol performance, Cavanagh surely has to stay in the middle, Dooher's distribution excellent. Block and Justin solid. Ricey does his best work at half back now and his corner back days are long gone. I'm also enjoying Hub's renaissance. I thought Devine's kicks to the middle were fine, when he tried to vary it they were shocking. Croker in a fortnight (hopefully). Can't wait.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 20, 2009, 09:53:44 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2009, 09:35:04 AM
On the down side, starting to see a wee bit of wear and tear on Tyrone's more established players. We're going to need to get to the finishing line with minimal fuss. As Donagh said, the younger lads could be crucial over the next few weeks. At times, Antrim ran at us and our more recognised players didn't have the legs to catch.
Not sure about that: I had more the feeling that some of those lads had already switched into post-match victory-secured mode. That's not to deny that Antrim were at their most dangerous when running with the ball, having ditched any inhibitions, and Kerry will have serious questions asked of a suspect defence if Antrim go right at them from the start.
Perhaps you're right but it was two incidents in the first half that stood out for me, although you have to give the opposition credit at times. The first was when McCann received the ball short of the half way line and steamed past 2-3 Tyrone men, with Hub having to bring him down eventually. The other was something of a rarity - a potentially crucial Jordan error. He was performing a perfunctory fistpass and it was closed down, collected and shot taken (wide) by the same Antrim player. I've never seen Jordan do that. But that's nit-picking. 1-18 in an Ulster final is not to be sniffed at, nor is the spread of scorers when you consider that 2 of the named full forward line didn't score!
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2009, 11:15:27 PM
The times they are a changing. A page of the programme dedicated to PSNI recruitment.
What's a "Programme Analyst"?
Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2009, 10:07:54 AM
Perhaps you're right but it was two incidents in the first half that stood out for me, although you have to give the opposition credit at times. The first was when McCann received the ball short of the half way line and steamed past 2-3 Tyrone men, with Hub having to bring him down eventually. The other was something of a rarity - a potentially crucial Jordan error. He was performing a perfunctory fistpass and it was closed down, collected and shot taken (wide) by the same Antrim player. I've never seen Jordan do that.
Perhaps the Meath semi-final of 2007 is indelibly seared into my consciousness, but that's the only game I need to remember to reassure myself that rumours of untreatable rust or rigor mortis setting in might just be a tad premature: if there's was ever a game to signal the 'irreversible' decline of this particular Tyrone team then that was it.
Having said that, the quarter-finals are where we are most vulnerable, especially as Ulster Champions, so something like a high profile draw such as the Dublin draw of '08 would be the tonic to lock us into white heat Championship mode, where there'll be no room for the rather lackadaisical errors of yesterday.
Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2009, 09:35:04 AM
Fair play to Antrim for a good contest. I never envisaged them scoring 0-15 in the Ulster final and at 1-8 to 0-2 it looked fairly ominous. But those last three points in the first half spoke volumes of the metal this side is made of. I thought Baker got it completely wrong in the first half. The three man full-forward line left acres of room for Tyrone's half-back line and midfield to attack. Joe McMahon's second point was surreal. He just sauntered into wide open turf and whilst almost walking knocked it over the line. Cavanagh's goal was similar. Only when Niblock came on did he pull one of the FF line back and that space ceased to exist. After that the score read 0-13 to 0-10 in Antrim's favour!
I think some of the criticism is harsh here. Although O'Neill didn't score, he was like honey to the bee and with 2-3 Antrim defenders hanging out of him it opened up space for the likes of Mugsy to do damage. Good second half by Mulligan. I thought Penrose had a fine first half and won almost every ball that came his way. Devine's kickouts were no big deal. I thought he tried to vary it a bit and Tyrone won something like 14 from 24 kick outs whilst Antrim won 9 from 29. Good to see Sean getting back to form. Ricey had a magnificent game but was helped by Baker's ineptitude. On the down side, starting to see a wee bit of wear and tear on Tyrone's more established players. We're going to need to get to the finishing line with minimal fuss. As Donagh said, the younger lads could be crucial over the next few weeks. At times, Antrim ran at us and our more recognised players didn't have the legs to catch.
Anyway onwards and upwards. Antrim brought great colour and pre-match excitement and apart from one complete asshole amongst the Aldergrove Brigade, it was good craic.
Long haired boy by any chance?
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on July 20, 2009, 10:51:22 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2009, 09:35:04 AM
Fair play to Antrim for a good contest. I never envisaged them scoring 0-15 in the Ulster final and at 1-8 to 0-2 it looked fairly ominous. But those last three points in the first half spoke volumes of the metal this side is made of. I thought Baker got it completely wrong in the first half. The three man full-forward line left acres of room for Tyrone's half-back line and midfield to attack. Joe McMahon's second point was surreal. He just sauntered into wide open turf and whilst almost walking knocked it over the line. Cavanagh's goal was similar. Only when Niblock came on did he pull one of the FF line back and that space ceased to exist. After that the score read 0-13 to 0-10 in Antrim's favour!
I think some of the criticism is harsh here. Although O'Neill didn't score, he was like honey to the bee and with 2-3 Antrim defenders hanging out of him it opened up space for the likes of Mugsy to do damage. Good second half by Mulligan. I thought Penrose had a fine first half and won almost every ball that came his way. Devine's kickouts were no big deal. I thought he tried to vary it a bit and Tyrone won something like 14 from 24 kick outs whilst Antrim won 9 from 29. Good to see Sean getting back to form. Ricey had a magnificent game but was helped by Baker's ineptitude. On the down side, starting to see a wee bit of wear and tear on Tyrone's more established players. We're going to need to get to the finishing line with minimal fuss. As Donagh said, the younger lads could be crucial over the next few weeks. At times, Antrim ran at us and our more recognised players didn't have the legs to catch.
Anyway onwards and upwards. Antrim brought great colour and pre-match excitement and apart from one complete asshole amongst the Aldergrove Brigade, it was good craic.
Long haired boy by any chance?
Short brownish hair with a small Antrim flag on a stick if its the same boy I'm thinking about.
great day out...plenty of sunburn and sore heads about today.
antrim fans were well behaved from what i seen, apart from 1 eejet who was going on about antrims 61 ulster hurling titles at the game
::)
What was he at?
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 20, 2009, 10:56:34 AM
Short brownish hair with a small Antrim flag on a stick if its the same boy I'm thinking about.
That's the one! The instigator of the 'Away In A Manger', 'Your support is f**king shit' etc chants. Despite him, twas good enough craic, especially the lad who when it was 1-8 to 0-2 whipped off his Antrim top to show a Tyrone one underneath!!
OK where do we start?? From an Antrim point of view we were well beaten by a much better team on the day (or most days). Six point margin...10 would not have flattered Tyrone. I thought in the middle 15 mins of the first half Tyrone were sensational and would have ripped most teams in Ireland apart. I don't know if you can coach speed of thought, whether it is natural or whether it might come with experience but Tyrone were way ahead of us in that department. If I were a Tyrone fan I would be very happy with where you are at the moment. Don't agree with the crticism of SON and Penrose, esp O'Neill who was involved in all the best things that Tyrone did in the first half. If you don't want him we'll take him!
As for Antrim...we're going in the right direction though we've still a bit to go. On a positive note we never gave up. Mid way through the first half a lot of teams would have cracked and gone on to lose by 20 points. We scored more than we had against Donegal and Cavan and 0-15 was a good score. In the longer term I think we can go on and be competitive in Ulster which we haven't been for a long time. I don't want to be overly critical of the team since they've done very well this year all I'll say is that on the positive side I thought the full back line did well, on the negative, we were cleaned out by the Tyrone half backs and if 100% fit Kevin Niblock should start against Kerry plus what was Justin Crozier doing in the FF line when Close was on the bench?
Congrats to Tyrone well deserved winners, well done Antrim for a successful year so far and bring on the Kingdom...
PS the ginger Tyrone fan with the unusual hair arrangement on his lip who was interviewed by BBC after the game is a tosser
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on July 20, 2009, 11:47:59 AM
OK where do we start?? From an Antrim point of view we were well beaten by a much better team on the day (or most days). Six point margin...10 would not have flattered Tyrone. I thought in the middle 15 mins of the first half Tyrone were sensational and would have ripped most teams in Ireland apart. I don't know if you can coach speed of thought, whether it is natural or whether it might come with experience but Tyrone were way ahead of us in that department. If I were a Tyrone fan I would be very happy with where you are at the moment. Don't agree with the crticism of SON and Penrose, esp O'Neill who was involved in all the best things that Tyrone did in the first half. If you don't want him we'll take him!
As for Antrim...we're going in the right direction though we've still a bit to go. On a positive note we never gave up. Mid way through the first half a lot of teams would have cracked and gone on to lose by 20 points. We scored more than we had against Donegal and Cavan and 0-15 was a good score. In the longer term I think we can go on and be competitive in Ulster which we haven't been for a long time. I don't want to be overly critical of the team since they've done very well this year all I'll say is that on the positive side I thought the full back line did well, on the negative, we were cleaned out by the Tyrone half backs and if 100% fit Kevin Niblock should start against Kerry plus what was Justin Crozier doing in the FF line when Close was on the bench?
Congrats to Tyrone well deserved winners, well done Antrim for a successful year so far and bring on the Kingdom...
PS the ginger Tyrone fan with the unusual hair arrangement on his lip who was interviewed by BBC after the game is a t**ser
Agreed! I think he should be named and shamed!
A source i received this morning named him as one of our gaaboard colleagues but I cant publicly reveal which one it is!
complained about EVERYTHING from the state of the football to the referee to the sandwiches his mother had packed for him!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00lvmkd/The_Championship_2009_Antrim_vs_Tyrone/
He's about 2:19.20 - not that bad really.
Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2009, 12:45:34 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00lvmkd/The_Championship_2009_Antrim_vs_Tyrone/
He's about 2:19.20 - not that bad really.
I'd never pictured you as a ginger O'Neill ;)
For once the shoe is on the other foot - us free-staters can't view that! Anyone have any links that we could use....
Thought the delivery of the ball from the antrim backs to their forward line in the first half especially was very poor. They were delivering the ball from too far back and as a result kept turning the ball over.
Had a blast yesterday and enjoyed the party atmosphere in Clones. A massive crowd from all of Antrim descended to Clones, and the craic was ninety.
As for the game, Tyrone got the start that Antrim wanted. They won the toss and got the goal. Sean Cavanagh gets through some work and took some good scores. Antrim played well in patches but I feel they may come away with a feeling that they didn't perform as good as they could have and may have something in the tank for Kerry next week. (Unfair on teams being knocked out of Prov. Finals one week the play the next)
Looking forward to the game and I'm sure once the boys go to training this week they will be focused for Kerry and it would be a seismic shock should we beat the Kerry men.
In work at the minute, and suffering with a hang over from hell.
I didn't get to see the player ratings in the IN, any controversy? I imagine Cavanagh got star man and 8.5 or a 9.
Enojyed the game yesterday and was good atmosphere - the craic was good on the Hill bar a few sc**mbag belfast ones who started signing about omagh (as in the omagh bomb) - was vile and totally out of place although as i say it was a small minority of scum who probably were never at a Antrim/GAA match in their lives before.
Some Tyrone boys behind us then started signing are you linfield in diguise which got them even more annoyed.
Another point was the traffic - thought it was brutal yesterday and took a good while getting in and out of the ground even with our knowledge of most of the backroads!
Now as for the game itself - thought it was a good enough spectacle - some great scroes from tyrone - in particular cavanaghs goal - people were saying o'neil wasnt great as he didnt score but he set up cav's goal and at least 3 other points in the first half - hes always a handful if not scoring hes winning ball and laying it off to teammates in better posistions which is great FF play in my book. Thought antrim battled well without ever really threatening to win the game although if Cunnigham had have taken them 2 goal chances it could have lead to a very exciting finish.
Aye there was a lot of Belfast ones there who I know are not affiliated with any club and as far a my knowledge have never owned football boots or attempted to kick a ball.
A load of lads singing Celtic songs in the hotel also after the match, which again pisses me off but ya can't control yobs
Getting out of that place is the worst. Took us for ages to get to Monaghan never mind home. The banter on the bus was mighty and just enough beer to last us to Milltown Row
Quote from: Mr. Nakata on July 20, 2009, 01:32:43 PM
I didn't get to see the player ratings in the IN, any controversy I imagine Cavanagh got star man and 8.5 or a 9.
He did indeed, 8.5. A terrific goal in the 11th minute was the first big nail hammered into the saffrons hopes of upsetting the applecart. Exploited poor defence then and several other times, finishing raking runs with four points from play. Mvement and pace too much for gallagher
Quote from: milltown row on July 20, 2009, 02:03:18 PM
Aye there was a lot of Belfast ones there who I know are not affiliated with any club and as far a my knowledge have never owned football boots or attempted to kick a ball.
A load of lads singing Celtic songs in the hotel also after the match, which again pisses me off but ya can't control yobs
Getting out of that place is the worst. Took us for ages to get to Monaghan never mind home. The banter on the bus was mighty and just enough beer to last us to Milltown Row
had to laugh at one of their chants, "we're the scum from west Belfast!" Also, did anyone see the Antrim lad doing the michael jackson dance moves at the entrance to the roost surrounded by about 10 fellas with the afro wigs? Classic stuff
Quote from: Mr. Nakata on July 20, 2009, 01:32:43 PM
I didn't get to see the player ratings in the IN, any controversy? I imagine Cavanagh got star man and 8.5 or a 9.
ANTRIM RATINGSPeter Graham: Creggan's rookie 'keeper had better games against Donegal and Cavan, with some of his kick-outs aimed at peculiar targets. Had no chance for Sean Cavanagh's 11th minute goal. 5
Colin Brady: The St Gall's man-marker can claim a moral victory after keeping Stephen O'Neill scoreless. Stuck to his task well. 7
Andy McClean: The highly-rated full-back had spells on Tommy McGuigan and Owen Mulligan, but didn't have a distinguished period on either man. Both grabbed scores off him before he was moved out the field in the second half. 5
Kevin O'Boyle: Found Martin Penrose's movement difficult to deal with in the opening 20 minutes, which allowed the Tyrone ace to win ball and set up team-mates for scores. O'Boyle didn't allow Penrose many chances at the posts. 6
Tony Scullion: Antrim's flying wing-back picked up an early booking after flooring Dooher. Distribution a bit ropey, but showed good fitness levels and resilience. 6
Justin Crozier: It was hard not to feel sorry for the talented Cargin man. Played out of position and was moved around too much for him to find any rhythm. His yellow card reflected a frustrating day. 5
James Loughrey: The St Brigid's defender started nervously and his passing was off-key, but steadily improved as the game grew. Had a good second half battle with Enda McGinley. 6
Michael McCann: Endured a frustrating time in Antrim's full-forward line in the first half, but gained a foothold in the second half at midfield. Hit two excellent points from play. 7
Aodhan Gallagher: Tried manfully to stay with Sean Cavanagh, but couldn't get near Tyrone's in-form multiple Allstar. Hit Antrim's first point from play in the 30th minute, but was off the pace. 5
Terry O'Neill: The St Gall's man made a fantastic contribution against Donegal and Cavan, but struggled for long periods in a new formation yesterday. Passing was disappointing and was at fault for a few of Tyrone's scores. 5
Kevin Brady: The Moneyglass half-forward allowed Philip Jordan some early room and paid the price when he was withdrawn after 25 minutes. 5
Niall McKeever: The 6ft 5in Portglenone ace won a couple of aerial battles early on, but his passing was poor. Tried at full-forward in the second half before being called ashore. 5
Paddy Cunningham: The captain had arguably his best game in an Antrim jersey. Hit some tremendous frees and was effective from open play. Gave PJ Quinn a tough time. 8
Sean Burke: The swashbuckling St Gall's player played out the field rather than inside, but didn't get much change out of Conor Gormley. Picked up a booking before being replaced. 5
Tomas McCann: The Cargin attacker made some eyecatching runs and drew a few fouls from the Tyrone defence, but wasn't in the game for long enough periods. 6
Substitutes
Kevin Niblock: Hustled well, set up a couple of scores and was arguably Justin McMahon's toughest opponent yesterday. 6.5
Conor Murray: Had 'Ricey' McMenamin to contend with. Some of his passes into the inside line were aimless. 5
Ciaran Close: Made a good impact and possibly should have seen more action. Had a hand in one of Cunningham's points and nabbed a point himself. 6.5
Deaghlan O'Hagan: Entered the fray for Terry O'Neill and battled gamely around the middle. 5
Sean McGreevy: Not on long enough to be rated.
TYRONE RATINGS
John Devine: Two chances to test shot-saving reflexes spurned by Cunningham and Michael McCann while kick-outs were fine, though wayward now and then. 5
PJ Quinn: One of the more interesting contests was his with Antrim's 11-point top scorer Cunningham.
Aimless high punts were tenaciously dealt with, but Cunningham managed four excellent scores from play. 6.5
Justin McMahon: A commanding performance. Deployed at corner-back, closed out Michael McCann first half and tracked Ciaran Close late on. Steady game. 6
Ryan McMenamin: Played at wing half-back, against Crozier first half, covered acres of ground, linking play and scored one fine point in the early stages. 6
Davy Harte: Afforded too much space too often, working ball out of defence and snapped up several breaks around midfield.
Had a couple of efforts at points, scoring from one. 7
Conor Gormley: His strength under the high ball and ability to disrupt Antrim's work from full-back was helped numerous times by poor kick passes. Kept Burke quiet. 7
Philip Jordan: Switched to centre-back to shadow Brady. Had too much pace and dominated that area of play. Strong, steady and used possession well. 8
Kevin Hughes: His strength was often illustrated as he won or broke ball in midfield. Scored a point and supported his team's forwards continuously. 7
Sean Cavanagh: Starman
A terrific goal in the 11th minute was the first big nail hammered into the Saffrons' hopes of upsetting the applecart. Exploited poor defence then and several other times, finishing raking runs with four points from play. Movement and pace too much for Gallagher. 8.5
Brian Dooher: No trademark spectacular points on the day, held scoreless by arguably Antrim's best defender in Scullion.
First start since the '08 All-Ireland final, a good 54 minutes put in. 5.5
Tommy McGuigan: Scored two points from play off McClean, one free converted – Tyrone's only scored free in their 1-18 total.
Good in parts before being subbed on 51 minutes. 6
Joe McMahon: Along with Jordan, the closest of the other contenders to Cavanagh for the Starman honour.
Put in a fierce amount of work, tireless off the ball running, his share of tackles and some fine fielding. 8
Martin Penrose: Always sharp and usually first to the ball any time Tyrone's fluent game brought him into play.
Showed very well against O'Boyle but will be disappointed not to have scored. 7
Stephen O'Neill: Tight tussle all through with the very effective, tough marking Colin Brady. Operated at corner-forward. Wayward with a couple of chances from play and a free. Well contained overall. 5.5
Owen Mulligan: Plenty of clever moves, roamed the field to link play and, when opportunities fell his way, made no mistake.
Registered three points and impressed against Loughrey and McClean. 7.5
Substitutes
Enda McGinley: Replaced Tommy McGuigan after 51 minutes and picked up a booking.
His contest with Loughrey came out at honours even. 5
Colm Cavanagh: Lively when introduced after 55 mins for Dooher, driving runs caused problems. 5
Ciaran Gourley: Not on long enough to be rated.
Brian McGuigan: Scored a point. Not on long enough to be rated.
Colm McCullagh: Not on long enough to be rated.
Ref Watch...Padraig Hughes (Armagh)
Issued nine yellow cards, a few harshly, though overall was fair enough. Called play back a few times when he might have allowed an advantage and some free-kicks were debatable, a couple on the soft side.
Key battle...Terry O'Neill (Antrim) v Joe McMahon (Tyrone)
Unlike in the Donegal and Cavan games, O'Neill was not deployed as a sweeper, but rather as a marking wing half-back instead of where named, at wing half-forward.
McMahon's athleticism was simply too good and O'Neill laboured throughout. The Omagh man's anticipation and movement often left him in acres of space to link play, which he did very effectively.
He scored two points in the first 12 minutes and continued to impress throughout.
Tactical Take...
AntrimA huge learning curve. Apart from the occasion appearing to get to some players in the first half, especially the first quarter when they slipped 1-4 to a point behind, the positioning calls in certain areas did not work.
The tactic of playing Terry O'Neill at wing
half-back did not pay off. He struggled with Joe McMahon initially, as well as Owen Mulligan and others.
Half-back Justin Crozier started at right
half-forward and wasn't in the game that much, and was moved to full-forward for a time.
Ryan McMenamin benefitted most as Crozier's marker initially while Tyrone's defence won ball far too easily from aimless distribution.
TyroneSwitching McMenamin to left half-back to mark Crozier, Philip Jordan to centre-back on Kevin Brady and Conor Gormley to full-back on Sean Burke worked as well as the management could have hoped for.
They dominated the first half and smothered Antrim's attack, who did not manage a score from play for 30 minutes.
The early move of Hughes to take on the towering Niall McKeever, who started well against Sean Cavanagh, helped outmuscle Antrim's midfield and allow Cavanagh's pace to isolate Aodhan Gallagher.
Mulligan impressed at wing half-forward and when used inside, scoring three points. Ultimately, experience exploited inexperience on the day.
Top Score...Sean Cavanagh ripped through the Antrim defence in the 11th minute, virtually unchallenged as no-one managed to get close enough to get a tackle in, finishing a superb long, mazy run with a touch of class, measuring a perfect slide-rule angled shot into the bottom corner of Peter Graham's net.
It was to prove the game's only goal and was worthy of the admission price, for Tyrone's fans anyhow.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 20, 2009, 02:12:45 PM
Quote from: milltown row on July 20, 2009, 02:03:18 PM
Aye there was a lot of Belfast ones there who I know are not affiliated with any club and as far a my knowledge have never owned football boots or attempted to kick a ball.
A load of lads singing Celtic songs in the hotel also after the match, which again pisses me off but ya can't control yobs
Getting out of that place is the worst. Took us for ages to get to Monaghan never mind home. The banter on the bus was mighty and just enough beer to last us to Milltown Row
had to laugh at one of their chants, "we're the scum from west Belfast!" Also, did anyone see the Antrim lad doing the michael jackson dance moves at the entrance to the roost surrounded by about 10 fellas with the afro wigs? Classic stuff
Even funnier was when the guys saw a big lad from Glengormly who has real afro hair. They all dropped to their knees in praise singing "Not worthy, not worthy!"
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 20, 2009, 02:12:45 PM
Quote from: milltown row on July 20, 2009, 02:03:18 PM
Aye there was a lot of Belfast ones there who I know are not affiliated with any club and as far a my knowledge have never owned football boots or attempted to kick a ball.
A load of lads singing Celtic songs in the hotel also after the match, which again pisses me off but ya can't control yobs
Getting out of that place is the worst. Took us for ages to get to Monaghan never mind home. The banter on the bus was mighty and just enough beer to last us to Milltown Row
had to laugh at one of their chants, "we're the scum from west Belfast!" Also, did anyone see the Antrim lad doing the michael jackson dance moves at the entrance to the roost surrounded by about 10 fellas with the afro wigs? Classic stuff
those lads were dancing in the ques all the way to Monaghan!!! great craic alright
lots of 'smickers' at the game yesterday.
Seen them all at the front of the Creighton and the guy with the real affro was there too...Funny stuff alright... :D
First time at an ulster football final and enjoyed most of it despite tyrone playing antrim off the park for long periods. Just on the crowd thing I was on the hill near the 21 yd line with my son, there were quite a few kids down there when we got in at first. At about 1.55 about 20 tyrone "fans" arrived in drunk and pushed into a space that could only hold about six of them. While the fellas were drunk and staggering they were at least watching the match, sort of. There were about four or five " ladies" with them who proceeded to shout swear grab fellas arses as they passed. They blocked the walk way for everyone passing and shouted " show us your rockhammer" then if someone they liked passed they shouted "come back here till I show you my bits". They did not once look the direction the football was. I would not normally mind this but they standing beside three wee wans who were only about 5, when Cavanagh scored the goal they all jumped about mad and knocked one of the wee ones over. They had basically walked into the space where the kids had been and stood on top of them. Complete inconsiderate arseholes.
Quote from: slow corner back on July 20, 2009, 03:48:55 PM
First time at an ulster football final and enjoyed most of it despite tyrone playing antrim off the park for long periods. Just on the crowd thing I was on the hill near the 21 yd line with my son, there were quite a few kids down there when we got in at first. At about 1.55 about 20 tyrone "fans" arrived in drunk and pushed into a space that could only hold about six of them. While the fellas were drunk and staggering they were at least watching the match, sort of. There were about four or five " ladies" with them who proceeded to shout swear grab fellas arses as they passed. They blocked the walk way for everyone passing and shouted " show us your rockhammer" then if someone they liked passed they shouted "come back here till I show you my bits". They did not once look the direction the football was. I would not normally mind this but they standing beside three wee wans who were only about 5, when Cavanagh scored the goal they all jumped about mad and knocked one of the wee ones over. They had basically walked into the space where the kids had been and stood on top of them. Complete inconsiderate arseholes.
Its the same with every county I guess. Some people think they've a right to stand and block peoples view even though they've all paid in for seats. And if you say anthing you get abuse back. The trick is to get the stewards in and sort it out for you. Every steward I know is salt of the earth.
Quote from: Orior on July 20, 2009, 04:01:28 PM
Quote from: slow corner back on July 20, 2009, 03:48:55 PM
First time at an ulster football final and enjoyed most of it despite tyrone playing antrim off the park for long periods. Just on the crowd thing I was on the hill near the 21 yd line with my son, there were quite a few kids down there when we got in at first. At about 1.55 about 20 tyrone "fans" arrived in drunk and pushed into a space that could only hold about six of them. While the fellas were drunk and staggering they were at least watching the match, sort of. There were about four or five " ladies" with them who proceeded to shout swear grab fellas arses as they passed. They blocked the walk way for everyone passing and shouted " show us your rockhammer" then if someone they liked passed they shouted "come back here till I show you my bits". They did not once look the direction the football was. I would not normally mind this but they standing beside three wee wans who were only about 5, when Cavanagh scored the goal they all jumped about mad and knocked one of the wee ones over. They had basically walked into the space where the kids had been and stood on top of them. Complete inconsiderate arseholes.
Its the same with every county I guess. Some people think they've a right to stand and block peoples view even though they've all paid in for seats. And if you say anthing you get abuse back. The trick is to get the stewards in and sort it out for you. Every steward I know is salt of the earth.
Last time I was in the hill there were no seats?
Quote from: Mr. Nakata on July 20, 2009, 01:32:43 PM
I didn't get to see the player ratings in the IN, any controversy? I imagine Cavanagh got star man and 8.5 or a 9.
ricey - 6- who i thought was excellent
penfold -7- who was pretty anonymous
Yeah, a few strange ones. Ricey for me was third best after Sean and big Joe. Justy given another 6. Very harsh.
Some of the ratings were strange indeed. Ricey was best defender on show and easily was 7 or 7.5. PJ got 6.5 yet when they mentioned Paddy Cunningham's rating they said he gave PJ a torrid time yet still ranked him higher than Ricey. Big Joe very unlucky not to get MOTM. Thought he was excellent.
Only getting near the internet now. Yesterday's game was good. Great seeing the Saffron County in Clones on Ulster Final Day. Brought alot of colour and fresh exciting to the day. I just felt bad that it had to be Tyrone that had to rain on their parade.
SoN set up a lot of nice points and the Cavanagh goal, so I don't know where this negativity is coming from, from some quarters. He's going a great job, plus he is being double man marked, which frees up a lot of alternative scoring options.
My MoTM was Joe McMahon, but Cavanagh was a close second.
Onwards now to Croke Park.
Does anyone know the attendance?
just over 32k according to todays Irish Mirror
Stephen O'Neill was one of Tyrone's most anonymous players yesterday again, likewise in the Derry game.
Some/majority of Tyrone fans clearly have blinkered glasses on in relation to commenting on his performance
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 20, 2009, 10:25:38 PM
Stephen O'Neill was one of Tyrone's most anonymous players yesterday again, likewise in the Derry game.
Some/majority of Tyrone fans clearly have blinkered glasses on in relation to commenting on his performance
Some people are desperately looking for clings in the Tyrone armour. SoN ain't it.
Nah, I'm pretty unbiased and call a spade a spade (unlike some) but to argue that Stephen had a good game in either of the last two starts is crazy especially considering the high standards he has set himself in previous campaigns. ffs he even got '5.5' in the Irish news (yes I know this isn't the bible of rating but they have obviously seen the same game I did and many other neutrals)
And I've stated before, the fact he hasn't been good and Tyrone have still won in 3rd gear is very scary for the rest of the AI contenders. Tyrone can win with 2 even 3 of their main men underperforming due to their team ethic and other players that step up to the plate, this has been clearly evident thus far this year and last year.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 20, 2009, 10:32:51 PM
And I've stated before, the fact he hasn't been good and Tyrone have still won in 3rd gear is very scary for the rest of the AI contenders. Tyrone can win with 2 even 3 of their main men underperforming due to their team ethic and other players that step up to the plate, this has been clearly evident thus far this year and last year.
great point...this is the strongest asset of that current tyrone team
Stevie will come good, and he did get through a lot of work yesterday, even it was just to draw two defenders and open up space.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 20, 2009, 10:53:00 PM
Stevie will come good, and he did get through a lot of work yesterday, even it was just to draw two defenders and open up space.
A pre-requisite surely ?
Quote from: Minder on July 20, 2009, 10:54:58 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 20, 2009, 10:53:00 PM
Stevie will come good, and he did get through a lot of work yesterday, even it was just to draw two defenders and open up space.
A pre-requisite surely ?
It was an end product for him yesterday, i.e., the perfect pass for the goal.
Alright, alright lads....Stevie is shite, is that better 8)
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 20, 2009, 11:04:37 PM
Alright, alright lads....Stevie is shite, is that better 8)
Only a fool would say that, I can't understand why some Tyrone folk will not admit when a player does not reach his usual high standards.
Quote from: Minder on July 20, 2009, 11:27:42 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 20, 2009, 11:04:37 PM
Alright, alright lads....Stevie is shite, is that better 8)
Only a fool would say that, I can't understand why some Tyrone folk will not admit when a player does not reach his usual high standards.
Plenty were saying that about plenty of the Tyrone players last year, after the Down defeat. We stood our grounds and were proved correct :P
Quote from: ziggysego on July 20, 2009, 11:29:03 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 20, 2009, 11:27:42 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 20, 2009, 11:04:37 PM
Alright, alright lads....Stevie is shite, is that better 8)
Only a fool would say that, I can't understand why some Tyrone folk will not admit when a player does not reach his usual high standards.
Plenty were saying that about plenty of the Tyrone players last year, after the Down defeat. We stood our grounds and were proved correct :P
Totally irrelevant, nobody is saying O Neill is shite, what some are saying Is he is off form at the minute. I have no doubt it is temporary, form temporary, class permanent etc.
So what happens next day out? Will sean be given the no 14 jersey and enda back in at midfield? Or will mickey have hub, enda and sean floating round the middle.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 21, 2009, 01:32:46 AM
So what happens next day out? Will sean be given the no 14 jersey and enda back in at midfield? Or will mickey have hub, enda and sean floating round the middle.
Good question, Enda is a must in there but then what to do with Joe if the 3 above are named....wonderful problem for Harte to have ;D
Quote from: Minder on July 20, 2009, 11:34:38 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 20, 2009, 11:29:03 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 20, 2009, 11:27:42 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 20, 2009, 11:04:37 PM
Alright, alright lads....Stevie is shite, is that better 8)
Only a fool would say that, I can't understand why some Tyrone folk will not admit when a player does not reach his usual high standards.
Plenty were saying that about plenty of the Tyrone players last year, after the Down defeat. We stood our grounds and were proved correct :P
Totally irrelevant, nobody is saying O Neill is shite, what some are saying Is he is off form at the minute. I have no doubt it is temporary, form temporary, class permanent etc.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't O'Neill get married recently? For a guy on his honeymoon I thought he played exceptionally well!
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 21, 2009, 01:40:21 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 21, 2009, 01:32:46 AM
So what happens next day out? Will sean be given the no 14 jersey and enda back in at midfield? Or will mickey have hub, enda and sean floating round the middle.
Good question, Enda is a must in there but then what to do with Joe if the 3 above are named....wonderful problem for Harte to have ;D
Who will miss out thou?
IMO its between O'Neill or Penrose to be left off for Endas return.
I expect this
8. Hub 9. McGinley
10. Dooher 14. Cavanagh 12. Joe
13. Penfold/Oneill 11. Tommy 15. Mugsy
O'Neill may no be the 5 or 6 points from play man he once was however he did some brilliant link play in that game. Tyrone's burst early which killed antrim was largely due to him being out in front and then doing the smart lay off. Lay offs which few other players would do.
For the goal no sooner was the ball in his hand than he had it to Cavanagh because he had the vision for that. Few other players would have hit him so quick so Cavanagh didn't have to slow down at all.
QuoteYeah Tyrone won easy enough, but I dont like their tackics, never liked their tackics and never will like their tactics.
1) Antrim should have been awarded a couple of frees from where the landed after Tyrone took out the man after he played the ball.
2) All Tyrone players have perfected the falling down thing.
3) Whenever an opposing team score two points in a row, a Tyrone player will get seriously injured and need medical treatment thereby defusing the steam built up by the opponent.
The point has been made regarding the high number of 'soft' frees Antrim got, but what I noticed from the start was that if any team was cynical it was them. Constant late hitting after the ball was released, dragging down and the like were frequently occuring. The referee was terrible and there seemed to be no consistency regarding frees being given to the teams, it seemed that Antrim were getting a free for any contact while Tyrone had to do a lot more to win one. The reaction to the Dooher incident on here makes me laugh, he is pushed in the face with a mans hands/forearm while motoring and is he expected to be immune to pain? It was a very dangerous tackle and Scullion went to Dooher more than Dooher going to him. Sure Dooher wanted the free probably and also wanted to run the risk of getting his nose broke. As for SON, he is a guranteed starter the next day. People have short memories here, the man didn't play in the league apart from the first game in January, he has played 3 championship games and his contribution has been not what is normally returned by him in terms of scores, but look at the game on Sunday and everytime the ball came near him he was followed by 2/3 Antrim men. But as mentioned he had a hand in a number of scores including the goal. The same could be said of Dooher, he is only back from injury and will get better as time progresses. I laugh at peoples comments that he hasnt the legs for 70 minutes anymore, I feel sorry for Brian as anytime he doesn't turn in a 10 out of 10 performance its deemed that he is finished. This craic has been spouted last year and the year before, even after the Donegal performance in 2007 he was said to be finished in light of the Meath game. Both players will benefit from the game on Sunday. Both players have only played a handful of games this year for both Club and County, and anyone who plays the game knows that it takes games to bring you on no matter how many training sessions you have. I am actually surprised that there isn't much criticism fired at Cunninghams missed opportunities in relation to the goal chances he seemed so reluctant to attempt.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 21, 2009, 09:48:58 AM
QuoteYeah Tyrone won easy enough, but I dont like their tackics, never liked their tackics and never will like their tactics.
1) Antrim should have been awarded a couple of frees from where the landed after Tyrone took out the man after he played the ball.
2) All Tyrone players have perfected the falling down thing.
3) Whenever an opposing team score two points in a row, a Tyrone player will get seriously injured and need medical treatment thereby defusing the steam built up by the opponent.
The point has been made regarding the high number of 'soft' frees Antrim got, but what I noticed from the start was that if any team was cynical it was them. Constant late hitting after the ball was released, dragging down and the like were frequently occuring. The referee was terrible and there seemed to be no consistency regarding frees being given to the teams, it seemed that Antrim were getting a free for any contact while Tyrone had to do a lot more to win one. The reaction to the Dooher incident on here makes me laugh, he is pushed in the face with a mans hands/forearm while motoring and is he expected to be immune to pain? It was a very dangerous tackle and Scullion went to Dooher more than Dooher going to him. Sure Dooher wanted the free probably and also wanted to run the risk of getting his nose broke. As for SON, he is a guranteed starter the next day. People have short memories here, the man didn't play in the league apart from the first game in January, he has played 3 championship games and his contribution has been not what is normally returned by him in terms of scores, but look at the game on Sunday and everytime the ball came near him he was followed by 2/3 Antrim men. But as mentioned he had a hand in a number of scores including the goal. The same could be said of Dooher, he is only back from injury and will get better as time progresses. I laugh at peoples comments that he hasnt the legs for 70 minutes anymore, I feel sorry for Brian as anytime he doesn't turn in a 10 out of 10 performance its deemed that he is finished. This craic has been spouted last year and the year before, even after the Donegal performance in 2007 he was said to be finished in light of the Meath game. Both players will benefit from the game on Sunday. Both players have only played a handful of games this year for both Club and County, and anyone who plays the game knows that it takes games to bring you on no matter how many training sessions you have. I am actually surprised that there isn't much criticism fired at Cunninghams missed opportunities in relation to the goal chances he seemed so reluctant to attempt.
Agree with the bit about O'Neill...the rest of the post is pure shite! I watched the game last night. There was feck all wrong with Dooher as Sidearse and Big Joe pointed out. It was a free of course but what Scullion and other defenders should learn is to keep the hands down as Dooher often runs straight at the man which should be a free to the defender for charging. Antrim did get a couple of handy frres but so did Tyrone again the Hub should have been blown for charging but was given a free from which Tyrone scored during that wee 10 mins when Antrim were on top. Andy McLean was also harsly blown for over carrying which led to a Tyrone score. Also more generally how were there nine yellow cards in a match in which there was hardly a dirty blow struck?? As for Cunningham...the first "goal" chance I think he was right to take the point. The angle was very tight and Tyrone had a man almost on the line and a man blocking Sean Burke's run. Antrim needed a score at that time. As for the second I think he went for goal and it just came off the side of his boot. He should have scored but I'll not be too harsh on him...he was the only Antrim player who had the better of his man.
When Antrim had it to 5 points after 3 in a row in the second half then:
- the referee gave two fouls, wrongly, against them so all this ref giving antrim soft frees was in my opinion nonsense
- ryan mcmenamin went down to curb the momentum
To say antrim were more cynical is quite frankly nonsense...
- Sean Cavanagh got a run at goal and he was allowed to run
- Antrim about 3 times had men running at goal who probably weren't going to be caught - result dragged down.
- Dooher was fouled but made the most of it. It was a yellow so I wouldn't complain.
Don't get me wrong that's how Tyrone win things and I've nothing against it however it's just to point out that most of you post is horses**t nrico.
Name me what antrim player was cynical because I didn't see anyone. Maybe that's a problem too.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on July 21, 2009, 01:42:45 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't O'Neill get married recently? For a guy on his honeymoon I thought he played exceptionally well!
Yep, just last week, and for the good Catholic lad that he is, I thought he had an amazing amount of energy ;)
If McGinley is to be reinstated immediately, I think it would be Tommy who'll be most concerned. I'm a big fan of Tommy, but he seems to be jeckell and hyde, 1 great game followed by a poor one. In saying that, surely if a player is injured, they have to fight to get that jersey back. Maybe it's tough for Enda, but that's sport. Only the beard knows I suppose. Is McGinley indispensible? My own opinion is he should be first on the team sheet.
Quote from: Lady GAA GAA on July 19, 2009, 03:44:30 PM
A lot of big fans decided to post on the gaaboard rather than go down to the game I see.
not many buses run from kolkata to clones!
Mr Nakata i thought Tommy was harshly taken off the other day. Penrose and Oneill were the ones to go for me. I would be Tommy McGuigans biggest critic in fairness but il give credit where credit is due he is prob the most in form player in the county at the moment. I wouldnt be suprised to see Oneill left off the next day 0-1 in two games from your full forward/chief inside forward questions would be asked. If Bernard Brogan scored a point in 2 games he would be critised as not being good enough. Owen Mulligan doesnt get the credit he deserves either.
When Mulligan stops trying to be the playmaker and stays in the danger zone he's as good as anybody. I thought he looked back to his best in the second half, even though he refused to stoop for a ball near the endline which infuriated me at the time. Penfold is out in front every time, always making the runs, never hides. He's worth his place for me. I still think SON is worth his place as well. The only negative I can say is the confidence and possibly arrogance of his '05 displays is still some way off. However, we all know he was simply untouchable that year. There was an instance on Sunday when he was steaming through and instead of pulling the trigger, he ran into trouble and was dispossessed. Brian McGuigan scored a gem when he came on and McCullagh will be fighting hard to get the playmaker role, Croker will suit players like that as well. Competition for places appears to be great all over the field but it's MH who decides who gets the chop.
PJ Quinn may not make it the next day either. Sean ONeill, Damian McCaul, Ciaran Gourley all pushing hard. I wouldnt be suprised to see Gourley start the next game.
very proud of Antrim on Sunday thought they battled to the end when other times they would have folded.Some very good performances against the best team in Ireland over the past 5 years don't think Colin Brady getting enough credit for the job he did on SON.Good luck Tyrone just hope someday we as a county can rise to the standard you have set.
Rerun is on Setanta Ireland now, albeit into 2nd half.
Noone has idea how this part of the Setanta umbrella is still going.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 20, 2009, 10:25:38 PM
Stephen O'Neill was one of Tyrone's most anonymous players yesterday again, likewise in the Derry game.
Some/majority of Tyrone fans clearly have blinkered glasses on in relation to commenting on his performance
Can't believe some of the comments here re Stephen O'Neill's performance. The man is a forward and didn't score but that doesn't mean he didn't have a good game - he saw lots of the ball, supplied the passes for many of the scores including the goal and made space for other Tyrone players to score. By my reckoning he had a good game.
Quote from: north down on July 21, 2009, 10:12:36 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 20, 2009, 10:25:38 PM
Stephen O'Neill was one of Tyrone's most anonymous players yesterday again, likewise in the Derry game.
Some/majority of Tyrone fans clearly have blinkered glasses on in relation to commenting on his performance
Can't believe some of the comments here re Stephen O'Neill's performance. The man is a forward and didn't score but that doesn't mean he didn't have a good game - he saw lots of the ball, supplied the passes for many of the scores including the goal and made space for other Tyrone players to score. By my reckoning he had a good game.
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I saw it this way as well. Provided some great passes.
Cunningham should have went for goal both times--we were well behind when both chances came.
He should've rolled the 1st through Devine's legs --at that stage a chance of a goal should have been gambled on instead of the safe bet of a point
Paddy's points - http://ulster.gaa.ie/landofthegiants/2009/07/21/paddys-points/
I think some of those camera angles are class.
Sean Cavanagh's 1-4 = http://ulster.gaa.ie/landofthegiants/2009/07/21/sean-cavanagh-1-4/
Ricey in impish form - http://ulster.gaa.ie/landofthegiants/2009/07/21/ryan-mcmenamin/
I've been trying to look at these videos all evening and tonight, but there are freezing. Is there a problem or is it at my end?
Working ok my end.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 22, 2009, 12:49:50 AM
I've been trying to look at these videos all evening and tonight, but there are freezing. Is there a problem or is it at my end?
They're bucking around on me too Zig... but they are great angles of play alright when they are working.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 22, 2009, 12:49:50 AM
I've been trying to look at these videos all evening and tonight, but there are freezing. Is there a problem or is it at my end?
When they start to freeze hit the pause for about 10 secs to let the download get ahead of the play and then watch. ;)