We might as well open discussions now whilst we wait for our Ulster brethern to catch up.
Mayo are Connacht champions for the fourth year running ;D
Dublin won the Leinster title and Cork are Munster kingpins.
Should Armagh win Ulster it will mean that the four semi-finalists have won the title in the last six years (Dublin 03, Armagh 04, Mayo 06 and Cork 07).
The Ulster final is fixed for Tuesday week afaik Wednesday week, April 15, and then the winners will have to turn around and play Mayo the following Saturday in Longford. Cork and Dublin play the same day (don't know where) with the final fixed for Saturday, May 2.
Can't find prices anywhere but I'd imagine Cork will be favourites, particularly with Laois out of the equation.
Cork were fierce impressive against Kerry .(a bit like Kilkenny yesterday). Owned the ball with only a few wides and points from way out etc. Have not been as impressive since. Even if the come close to that form they will be hard to beat.
Hard to know with dublin. They've a very good defence and a couple of class forwards. Its not a brillaint team -its one of those teams thast very hard to beat. Think Cork will be doing well to beat them though. Think the winners of the competition are in the other side of the draw in my view.
Dublin v Cork looks like being played in Thurles on Sat week as a double header with the Ladies lgue semi f between the same counties.
Dublin have had U 21 teams in the past which on paper were way more talented than the current panel and gone nowhere. This team was the 1st Dublin U21 team to get past the 1st round in 4 years. Haven't seen them play but have been told that the collective is better than the components. Whether that is good enough to go further remains to be seen.
It will take a bloody good team to beat Mayo.
Armagh was highly immpressive in their 2nd half display against Donegal, they will take some beating.
Down for me are the favourites -followed by Mayo. Probably nothing between Cork,Dublin and Armagh
QuoteCork were fierce impressive against Kerry. Even if the come close to that form they will be hard to beat.
QuoteHard to know with dublin. its one of those teams thast very hard to beat
QuoteIt will take a bloody good team to beat Mayo.
QuoteArmagh was highly immpressive in their 2nd half display against Donegal, they will take some beating.
I think that's everyone covered. ;D
I think armagh are punching above their weight from here on. they've done very well to reach an ulster final but down have some serious firepower and will probably win reasonably comfortably.
cork are favourites outright with mayo in second favourite place. paddypower has odds if you search the gaa section. I have no idea about any of the others but Mayo have a fairly good team from what I heard, they are big and fast and can score.
Cork 13 - 8
Mayo 5 - 2
Dublin 3 - 1
Down 11 - 2
Armagh 13 - 2
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 07, 2009, 12:26:46 PM
QuoteCork were fierce impressive against Kerry. Even if the come close to that form they will be hard to beat.
QuoteHard to know with dublin. its one of those teams thast very hard to beat
QuoteIt will take a bloody good team to beat Mayo.
QuoteArmagh was highly immpressive in their 2nd half display against Donegal, they will take some beating.
Down are great...
there we go
I think that's everyone covered. ;D
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on April 07, 2009, 01:02:21 PM
Cork 13 - 8
Mayo 5 - 2
Dublin 3 - 1
Down 11 - 2
Armagh 13 - 2
Down will do well to get by Armagh and if they do I cant see their porous defence being able to stave off the Mayo attack. Id bet on a Cork/Mayo final.
I think armagh are going to suprise a few people, they should beat down, seen them play twice this year with one of the occassions againest armagh and they are not a great side to be honset. They have a one or two great players who carry the rest of the team but amragh are capable of dealing with that.
As for the all ireland i fancy cork, looked very impressive and cork it won sigerson with a few of them players also on the u21 team as well.
I think that Cork are very bad value at 13/8. They were steeped in luck to beat Tipperary in the Munster Final.
Maybe Tipp are a little bit better than people think no? Cork are a very good side- I saw them against Dublin earlier in the year when they beat us well. Cork hammered Kerry- not exactly easy to do. the reality is Down beat Tyrone so they must be pretty good because that was a very good Tyrone team. Still think Down and Mayo are the 2 best sides in it.
Hard to judge the relative merits of the teams. Mayo beat Galway by a point but Galway were severely weakened by a glut of injuries. Then by all accounts Roscommon should have beaten them in the semis but a last gasp goal saved Mayo. They comprehensively defeated Sligo in the Connacht final though but they had the difficult work done over in the hard side of the draw.
Cork blew Kerry out of the water and then very nearly lost to Tipp only for another last gasp goal.
Haven't seen enough of Ulster or Leinster but like the other provinces it seems to be a close run thing there as well.
Just goes to show that the margins can be very tight with youngsters and you don't always get consistency of performance out of them.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 07, 2009, 07:23:45 PM
Maybe Tipp are a little bit better than people think no? Cork are a very good side- I saw them against Dublin earlier in the year when they beat us well. Cork hammered Kerry- not exactly easy to do. the reality is Down beat Tyrone so they must be pretty good because that was a very good Tyrone team. Still think Down and Mayo are the 2 best sides in it.
This seems to be a fairly common assumption and although it may turn out to be correct, I have my doubts. While I suspect Tyrone will be extremely strong at this grade over the next two years based on their last couple of minor teams, I don't think this year's team was anything out of the ordinary - they didn't go very far at minor level. I know its risky to try to refer back to minor form, but it is probably one of the best indicators.
Quote from: AFS on April 07, 2009, 08:03:11 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 07, 2009, 07:23:45 PM
Maybe Tipp are a little bit better than people think no? Cork are a very good side- I saw them against Dublin earlier in the year when they beat us well. Cork hammered Kerry- not exactly easy to do. the reality is Down beat Tyrone so they must be pretty good because that was a very good Tyrone team. Still think Down and Mayo are the 2 best sides in it.
This seems to be a fairly common assumption and although it may turn out to be correct, I have my doubts. While I suspect Tyrone will be extremely strong at this grade over the next two years based on their last couple of minor teams, I don't think this year's team was anything out of the ordinary - they didn't go very far at minor level. I know its risky to try to refer back to minor form, but it is probably one of the best indicators.
I'm not so sure you can compare like that AFS. At minor level the majority of players on the fifteen will be in their last year at the grade. By the time it gets to under 21 though its spread a lot more evenly. This year's Mayo starting team (from Connacht final) has six players in their last year underage, that is minors from 2006 (Tom Parsons, Donal Vaughan, Frank Burke, Mikey Sweeney Brian Gallagher and, afaik, Cathal Carolan). Then there's four who have one more year after this (Kevin McLoughlin, Lee Keegan, Jason Doherty and Neil Douglas) and five in their first year U-21- that is last year's minors (Robert Hennelly, Eoghan O'Reilly, John Broderick, Kevin Keane and Aidan O'Shea). Now last year's minors were the only team to do well but there was always good players on the teams from the two years before, even if they did not succeed. By the time these lads get to U-21 there can be a nice mix from the three previous minor teams. If we look back to 2006 minors it was Roscommon and Kerry in the final, both have been beaten by Mayo and Cork respectively. Anyway enough rambling from me.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 07, 2009, 09:22:47 PM
Quote from: AFS on April 07, 2009, 08:03:11 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 07, 2009, 07:23:45 PM
Maybe Tipp are a little bit better than people think no? Cork are a very good side- I saw them against Dublin earlier in the year when they beat us well. Cork hammered Kerry- not exactly easy to do. the reality is Down beat Tyrone so they must be pretty good because that was a very good Tyrone team. Still think Down and Mayo are the 2 best sides in it.
This seems to be a fairly common assumption and although it may turn out to be correct, I have my doubts. While I suspect Tyrone will be extremely strong at this grade over the next two years based on their last couple of minor teams, I don't think this year's team was anything out of the ordinary - they didn't go very far at minor level. I know its risky to try to refer back to minor form, but it is probably one of the best indicators.
I'm not so sure you can compare like that AFS. At minor level the majority of players on the fifteen will be in their last year at the grade. By the time it gets to under 21 though its spread a lot more evenly. This year's Mayo starting team (from Connacht final) has six players in their last year underage, that is minors from 2006 (Tom Parsons, Donal Vaughan, Frank Burke, Mikey Sweeney Brian Gallagher and, afaik, Cathal Carolan). Then there's four who have one more year after this (Kevin McLoughlin, Lee Keegan, Jason Doherty and Neil Douglas) and five in their first year U-21- that is last year's minors (Robert Hennelly, Eoghan O'Reilly, John Broderick, Kevin Keane and Aidan O'Shea). Now last year's minors were the only team to do well but there was always good players on the teams from the two years before, even if they did not succeed. By the time these lads get to U-21 there can be a nice mix from the three previous minor teams. If we look back to 2006 minors it was Roscommon and Kerry in the final, both have been beaten by Mayo and Cork respectively. Anyway enough rambling from me.
I know, and as I said its risky to refer back to minor form because of this but I just feel maybe that Tyrone, and Down by virtue of beating them, were talked up a little bit more than they merited because of the last couple of minor teams they've had. I think it'll be next year before most of those lads come to the fore.
any word on the time for mayo u21 semi?
Quote from: mortified on April 07, 2009, 10:41:53 PM
any word on the time for mayo u21 semi?
Cadburys All-Ireland Under-21 Football Semi-Finals / Cluichí Leath-cheannais Peile Fé-21 na hÉireann
On-air: 3:15pm (TG4)
Tús cluiche A 3:30pm BEO Corcaigh V Áth Cliath (Semple Stadium)
Tús cluiche B 5:00pm BEO Maigh Eo V TBC (Pearse Stadium, Longford)
Highly rated Mayo teams always flop. Unheralded Mayo teams often do very well. In conclusion this Mayo team is useless. ;D
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2009, 04:26:07 PM
Highly rated Mayo teams always flop. Unheralded Mayo teams often do very well. In conclusion this Mayo team is useless. ;D
That's what I'm afraid of muppet. It could happen that we've a 'well-spoken about team' and we get a proper hiding on the day. Somehow I have a bit of faith in this team. But, we are Mayo and anything could happen!!! :o :-[ :-\
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 08, 2009, 08:09:54 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2009, 04:26:07 PM
Highly rated Mayo teams always flop. Unheralded Mayo teams often do very well. In conclusion this Mayo team is useless. ;D
That's what I'm afraid of muppet. It could happen that we've a 'well-spoken about team' and we get a proper hiding on the day. Somehow I have a bit of faith in this team. But, we are Mayo and anything could happen!!! :o :-[ :-\
From what Ive seen of us so far we dont look like a team that will get a chasing in a game, but that s not to say we will win it either. A few lads are getting most press but the teams progress so far more to do with hard work and graft than anything else. Our half forwards score very lightly but their industry has been very impressive. We need Freeman back as his absense has left us a bit light on the left wing in the sense that Brian Gallagher just does nt have the same impact on the game. As I think I ve said before my fear is we may lack a killer inside forward in a tight match. Our higher quality players are away from goal and in the backs and keeper.
Quote from: moysider on April 08, 2009, 10:56:41 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 08, 2009, 08:09:54 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2009, 04:26:07 PM
Highly rated Mayo teams always flop. Unheralded Mayo teams often do very well. In conclusion this Mayo team is useless. ;D
That's what I'm afraid of muppet. It could happen that we've a 'well-spoken about team' and we get a proper hiding on the day. Somehow I have a bit of faith in this team. But, we are Mayo and anything could happen!!! :o :-[ :-\
From what Ive seen of us so far we dont look like a team that will get a chasing in a game, but that s not to say we will win it either. A few lads are getting most press but the teams progress so far more to do with hard work and graft than anything else. Our half forwards score very lightly but their industry has been very impressive. We need Freeman back as his absense has left us a bit light on the left wing in the sense that Brian Gallagher just does nt have the same impact on the game. As I think I ve said before my fear is we may lack a killer inside forward in a tight match. Our higher quality players are away from goal and in the backs and keeper.
I would have agreed in advance of the competition regarding the full-forward Moysider but I've been very impressed with the unit, particularly against a very good Roscommon full-back line. Sweeney is the best known of them and has probably been the least effective. Douglas is a right handful and Doherty is really stepping up to the mark. He's always had potential but Holmes and Connelly do appear to have got him playing to that potential from what I hear. He has that bit of class that will make a big difference for us I think.
We do need Freeman back though. While Gallagher wasn't brilliant against Sligo, he was arguably better than Frank Burke. I was very impressed with Burke in the first two games but its hard to know who will start in one wing if Freeman is available for the other.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 08, 2009, 11:29:11 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 08, 2009, 10:56:41 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 08, 2009, 08:09:54 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2009, 04:26:07 PM
Highly rated Mayo teams always flop. Unheralded Mayo teams often do very well. In conclusion this Mayo team is useless. ;D
That's what I'm afraid of muppet. It could happen that we've a 'well-spoken about team' and we get a proper hiding on the day. Somehow I have a bit of faith in this team. But, we are Mayo and anything could happen!!! :o :-[ :-\
From what Ive seen of us so far we dont look like a team that will get a chasing in a game, but that s not to say we will win it either. A few lads are getting most press but the teams progress so far more to do with hard work and graft than anything else. Our half forwards score very lightly but their industry has been very impressive. We need Freeman back as his absense has left us a bit light on the left wing in the sense that Brian Gallagher just does nt have the same impact on the game. As I think I ve said before my fear is we may lack a killer inside forward in a tight match. Our higher quality players are away from goal and in the backs and keeper.
I would have agreed in advance of the competition regarding the full-forward Moysider but I've been very impressed with the unit, particularly against a very good Roscommon full-back line. Sweeney is the best known of them and has probably been the least effective. Douglas is a right handful and Doherty is really stepping up to the mark. He's always had potential but Holmes and Connelly do appear to have got him playing to that potential from what I hear. He has that bit of class that will make a big difference for us I think.
We do need Freeman back though. While Gallagher wasn't brilliant against Sligo, he was arguably better than Frank Burke. I was very impressed with Burke in the first two games but its hard to know who will start in one wing if Freeman is available for the other.
Burke for me. Gallagher was taken off v Ros after replacing Freeman but just did nt get into the game. Looks to have a bit of class but needs too much time and does nt appear to have enough cut. Burke grafts and I noticed v Ros he never had any negative body language, even when we looked bet. I d say he does twice the milage of Gallagher. He s lad I d always have in my team as I would Carolan and Freeman also.
As regards the FF line I m not so sure. Douglas I have nt seen a lot of and I like. Honest and genuine and if you have nt got that you ve little else. I loved the way we were set up in full forward line v Ross early in the game with Douglas playing on the point. Worked well but felt we should have maybe used 2 inside second half into wind ( which makes me doubt the managements belief in their midfielder subs). Of the 3 inside forwards Doherty for me looks like the most likely future senior player. Mikey Sweeney looks to have the same problem at U21 level as he does at senior. He does nt worry defenders, does nt break a tackle and turns back into the defender too much.
it seems sweeney's speed has got him onto these teams primarily. Dont think he is a cut out for senior football. Not a classy forward. We should be grooming these if there is any not putting in the speed merchants. Thats always the way with mayo underage football. Its speed first, football second. There is a lot of classy forwards who may be slower and in some cases carrying a bit. They rarely get a chance but if they were selected for county panels their fitness would come on a sight and they'd look after themselves better. Instead it's the little nippy bucks who get picked and it sickens me. I'm not saying you don't need speed but its not the bee all and end all.
Mikey Sweeney will always look good in club games cos he can skin lads with his pace but at inter county level does not have the football brain that is required. Darren O' Sullivan is fastest player in Kerry. He is captain this year also. He is not guaranteed his start. They pick footballers first in kerry. Lads like tommy walsh who can kick off either foot. This is a 15st lad well over 6 feet.
well michael jordan could not get on the school basketball team and perservered, these fellas learn as they go.
Here is part of Sean Rice s column in today s Mayo News.
YOUNG GUNS ARE READY FOR TOUGH ASSIGNMENT
HAVING stormed through Connacht, Mayo's U-21 exemplars try on Saturday for an All-Ireland final place when they meet Down at Longford.
With one national title gained from their four provincial triumphs, a further crown would surely, if it has not already, set Pat Holmes, Noel Connelly and Micheál Collins apart as Mayo's most successful management team.
That distinction would of course rest much more lightly on the shoulders of this modest triumvirate than the honour a further All-Ireland would mean for their charges and their county.
Last year they lost out to Kerry by a brace of points in the semi-final at Nenagh despite a magnificent, fighting performance. On Saturday their task is no less daunting against a Down side desperately seeking a return to national prominence.
It is a tough assignment especially for the members of the side who have helped Mayo retain their Division 1 status. Having performed so well at senior level a lot will be expected from Kevin McLoughlin, Tom Parsons, and Aidan O'Shea. Hopefully, all three will continue to display the form they have shown throughout the championship.
A commendable aspect of their performances so far has been the absence of total dependence on any one member of the side. All of the fifteen, and the subs so timely introduced, have contributed equally to the team's success. Pick out any one and he is a star in his own right.
So, good luck to them on Saturday. We don't know what the opposition promises. But any team that emerges from the North will not be short of invention or conviction. One thing is certain though, they face a team who themselves hold no inhibitions. We're looking forward to a cracker.
Tut, tut, and there was me thinking the Ulster final had nt been played yet - not until tomorrow evening in fact. Ah well Seán knows best.
On a more serious note it looks like Cathal Freeman will miss Saturday s semi with injury. That s going to leave us shy on the left wing.
You are probably right about Burke Moysider, on reflection I would have him ahead of Gallagher, but he did go backwards in the Connacht final, compared to his first two outings. Anyway it does look like it will be matterless now, Freeman appears to be a goner. Big, big loss.
From a defensive point of view I wonder will they persist with John Broderick ahead of Sean Prendergast. I hope not because while Broderick is a good player, Prendergast is much better and if he starts, then its a case of moving Kevin McLoughlin back to the corner. There might be some reticence on behalf of management to do this as McLoughlin can play the defensive lynchpin role very effectively from number 7. But if its Down we're playing, I reckon they'll have to put McLoughlin in the corner on Paul McCommiskey so the decision will be made for them.
What time is the Armagh Down game at tonight lads in Casement Park?
Sorry, just seen the Ulster U21 page!!
Mayo and Cork for me tomorrow. Good to see both games are on TV live, the couple of U-21 games I've seen this year were very enjoyable so tomorrow should be decent entertainment.
Quote from: AFS on April 18, 2009, 02:42:47 AM
Mayo and Cork for me tomorrow. Good to see both games are on TV live, the couple of U-21 games I've seen this year were very enjoyable so tomorrow should be decent entertainment.
I hope you're right about Mayo anyway AFS. ;) There should be a decent enough crowd from Mayo at the game as well. It is a pity that Freeman is out injured still. He is a very impressive young fella from what I've seen. Any word on when he will be back?
Lads where in Longford town is the pitch, its been about 15 years since I was at a game there, think it was Castlebar Mitchels V Eire Og.
Do we turn up the Lisbrack Rd. near Flancare Park to get to Pearse Park?
Sorry but who was all ireland minor champions when these teams were minors???
Quote from: bigfrank on April 18, 2009, 01:06:04 PM
Sorry but who was all ireland minor champions when these teams were minors???
The Rossies
Well 2005 was Mayo v Down & Down won.
Quote from: Son_of_Sam on April 18, 2009, 01:15:31 PM
Well 2005 was Mayo v Down & Down won.
3 years ago is 2006. For directions Sam go to ... http://maps.google.com/ and stick in 'Pearse park Lonfgord' in the Search Maps box. Think you are right with the above directions anyway.
Mind it now,rossie beat kerry was it after a replay??tommy walsh was awesome at midfield!! lookin to know for betting purposes :P
Recent All-Ireland minor finalists
Year Winner Opponent
2008 Tyrone Mayo
2007 Galway Derry
2006 Roscommon Kerry
2005 Down Mayo
2004 Tyrone Kerry
2003 Laois Dublin
2002 Derry Meath
2001 Tyrone Dublin
2000 Cork Mayo
1999 Down Mayo
Mayo have been involved in the final the most frequent, losing 4 of them. :'( Tyrone have been in 3 finals winning them all.
Quote from: dodo on April 18, 2009, 01:30:43 PM
Recent All-Ireland minor finalists
Year Winner Opponent
2008 Tyrone Mayo
2007 Galway Derry
2006 Roscommon Kerry
2005 Down Mayo
2004 Tyrone Kerry
2003 Laois Dublin
2002 Derry Meath
2001 Tyrone Dublin
2000 Cork Mayo
1999 Down Mayo
Mayo have been involved in the final the most frequent, losing 4 of them. :'( Tyrone have been in 3 finals winning them all.
Depressing reading that, even worse than the seniors. Most consistent underage producers in the country but no titles.
U-21 at least we have a recent victory.
see the indo today has tipped tyrone to win the mayo/down game... ::)
Quote from: Son_of_Sam on April 18, 2009, 12:46:04 PM
Lads where in Longford town is the pitch, its been about 15 years since I was at a game there, think it was Castlebar Mitchels V Eire Og.
Do we turn up the Lisbrack Rd. near Flancare Park to get to Pearse Park?
Pearse Park is on Battery Road, which is just off the N4, you dont have to go into the town at all. You will see a McDonalds at a roundabout on the N4 (Longford bypass), park close to that and its a 5 minute walk.
Cork 1-04
Dublin 0-3
26 mins gone.
1-4 to 0-4 at half time. The Dubs are doing well at midfield but they've had some very poor wides and Cork look the better footballers. I'd expect Cork to pull away in the second half and win by 4 or more points as their forwards look to have the beating of the Dublin backs if they get enough ball. I must say that the Dublin lads are technically very poor and few of them look comfortable on the ball, something isn't right with Dublins underage production line if this is what they are producing.
For all the talk about Paddy Andrews finally being played where he belongs, he isn't the first cousin of a senior intercounty forward.
Dublin 1-7 Cork 1-6
Dublin starting to look better now.
Dublin technically may not be great but they've some powerful men on that team. You can't really put them down that much given they're leinster champions either.
Dublin 1-7 Cork 1-10
7 mins to go
Dublin 1-9 Cork 1-10
1 min to go
Cork down to 14 men
Dublin should have this but very poor decision making. Keeper ::)
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 18, 2009, 04:32:44 PM
Dublin technically may not be great but they've some powerful men on that team. You can't really put them down that much given they're leinster champions either.
Ah I'm not trying to put them down Tommy, they've done very well in the second half and may win this yet but Dublin need to look at their coaching structures if they want to develop lads capable of competing with the best at senior level IMO.
Cork win by 1. Why the quick free when a handy equaliser was on?
Cork survive, they've been very lucky two games in a row there. Tipp should have beaten them by all accounts and Dublin could have taken them there. Stupid mistake going for the quick free at the end.
Dublin made an utter balls of the last 5 mins of this game.
It was there for the taking.
This Down - Mayo encounter has the makings of a great game. I expect it to be very high scoring with Down having a great forward line but a shocking defence. It'll probably come down to whether Peter Fitzpatrick can have the same dominance at midfield that he enjoyed against Armagh.
4 each
Mayo keeper scores a 45!
Down breaking it at midfield and winning most of the loose ball.
A few excellent points there.
Great game, ref is a muppet though.
Down kicking clear here 0-9 to 0-5.
Down really dominating Mayo in midfield, if Mayo can't block the supply to those Down forwards, we've no chance here.
Same old story.
The big lad can't buy a free.
How the referee penalised O'Shea in that situation is baffling.
Quote from: hardstation on April 18, 2009, 05:27:24 PM
Jamie O'Reilly is some player.
Just about to say that, some points he took.
That's a very good down team.
Big difference in standard between the two games as well. Mayo no slouches either but Down looking good so far,
Great point by O'Shea.
High standard
Some great players on the pitch unfortunately there seem to be more playing for Down.
10 - 6
Some shot off the bar!l
Lucky enough that it hit back off the keeper instead of bouncing out, though I suppose you could Down were lucky it didn't go in off the keeper! Still, it'll liven up the game no doubt.
Peter Fitzpatrick is going to be a very, very good player.
Badly needed goal, keeps the game alive.
Mid West commentators convinced the first shot went in, but it looked to me like it needed the second effort.
Down still winning more in midfield though, and their forwards are just too good for our backs at the moment.
We are dominating midfield and that early ball in is killing Mayo.
Think its going to be a tight finish.
Fitzpatrick plays with an unbridled attitude that sums up this Down team. Fast, exciting and no fear.
Lads,
anyone else listening to Midwest, they are about 10 secs behind the live coverage
Quote from: ludermor on April 18, 2009, 05:52:42 PM
Lads,
anyone else listening to Midwest, they are about 10 secs behind the live coverage
So are some of our lads.
Goal Down.
Devlin fisted goal.
Down 1-12 Mayo 1-07
Super goal
Quote from: ludermor on April 18, 2009, 05:52:42 PM
Lads,
anyone else listening to Midwest, they are about 10 secs behind the live coverage
10 seconds is giving them credit! I thought I was listening to a different match!
Down may well tire in the last 10 minutes after the Wednesday game, but it looks like they'll be out of sight by then.
1-13 1-07 now
Goal Mayo
Bad wide by Vaughan
We are doing better in the middle though
mayo starting to dominate around the middle
Down starting to tire
Difference in quality between this and the first game is huge.
John Fitzpatrick sent off for Down.
McLoughlin free - Gap down to two now 1-13 to 2-8.
Game on!
Quote from: hardstation on April 18, 2009, 06:01:59 PM
Down man sent off.
I told you he was a muppet. Terrible decision.
Quote from: muppet on April 18, 2009, 06:02:51 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 18, 2009, 06:01:59 PM
Down man sent off.
I told you he was a muppet. Terrible decision.
What was he sent off for? Went to grab the tea and missed it >:(
I dunno, i think Mayo could shit the togs yet...
Ref is brutal...
Have to say I don't think the ref is being fair on down... Two man tackle there - four men tackled a down man first half and got the free for it.
Down could be lucky to hold on here... They look to be tiring a lot.Midweek game could be taking it's toll.
Every team needs a Joe Murphy
We need a f**king freetaker!
Quote from: ludermor on April 18, 2009, 06:09:44 PM
We need a f**king freetaker!
Definetly. Thought Robert should have been brought up for more kicks.
Oh that was sly by the down player!!
Wouldn't be impressed with the Down lad running right in front of the ball when the keeper was taking his run up.
This ref is chronic.
Down's discipline falling apart but a very weak ref.
Some point by O'Shea
1-14 to 2-9
This ref is abysmal. How could he miss that pick up?
Put it over the bar, very frustratin to watch that type of stuff.
I think the ref is shafting down a bit here.
Another brutal decision by the ref there. Down man with three lads hanging out of him and no free then a Mayo lad gets a slight bump and wins one. Poor.
What club is Peter Fitzpatrick from?
Well Done Down!
They held on with 14 men
Great effort by Down, particularly with that eejit of a ref. Happy for them but very frustrated, that should've been us there today :) :-\
Quote from: FermPundit on April 18, 2009, 06:19:03 PM
What club is Peter Fitzpatrick from?
Ballymartin I think
Well done to Down. Some very good players, particularly that high flying midfielder and a couple of free scoring forwards.
Mayo's big players didn't do enough and the ref was a joke.
It is really annoying to get penalised in the wrong only to get a stupid free afterwards, for both teams.
That sending off was ridiculous. It was a foul, end of.
That must be some Down team.
Brilliant by Down, glad to see the hunger in them allowed them to hang on despite having 14 men and an anti-Ulster ref!!!
A huge amount of credit must go to that Down team. After coming through a gruelling game on Wednesday they showed some serious credentials throughout the game.
Conor Poland: Cadburys MOM
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Brilliant by Down, glad to see the hunger in them allowed them to hang on despite having 14 men and an anti-Ulster ref!!!
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What's the face for?
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Conor Poland: Cadburys MOM
He may stay out of The Village area of Belfast anocht.
It was a second yellow Muppet and so he deserved to go, in saying that the ref didn't cover himself in glory. As for Mayo, once again the lack of a real scoring forward(s) undid them, they worked the ball into some good scoring positions but hadn't a Colm O'Neill or Comiskey to pick off one or two class scores.
QuoteWhat's the face for?
To indicate your ridiculous paranoia I'm sure.
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Quote from: DownFanatic on April 18, 2009, 06:24:22 PM
Conor Poland: Cadburys MOM
He may stay out of The Village area of Belfast anocht.
LOL.
Great result for Down and hats off to their manager who just keeps going and going.
Brilliant win for Down. great forward line was the difference. Down took there chances, Mayo didnt, typical Mayo. How Pete Fitzpatrick didnt get man of match is beyond me. he was absoultly phenomenal against Tom Parsons who was an ireland compromise rules player last year. This man has to be Dan Gordons partner on May 17th against Fermanagh. Bring on Cork.
Quote from: muppet on April 18, 2009, 06:20:55 PM
Well done to Down. Some very good players, particularly that high flying midfielder and a couple of free scoring forwards.
Mayo's big players didn't do enough and the ref was a joke.
It is really annoying to get penalised in the wrong only to get a stupid free afterwards, for both teams.
That sending off was ridiculous. It was a foul, end of.
Thought the sending off was fair enough to be honest. Fella going through on goal gets cynically dragged down, that's definitely a yellow card. Can't remember what his first yellow was for. Good enough game of football and Down deserved the victory - got very cynical and negative in the last 15 minutes though - completely conceded terrority to Mayo and were constantly fouling off the ball. I suppose the ends justifies the means though. Mayo will be kicking themselves that they couldn't convert terrority and posession into scores in the last 10 minutes.
Paul Comiskey oozes class. Excellent full forward line Down have.
Are 7,9 and/or 12 on the Down senior panel? Some exciting players on that Down team and a few of them should be starting v Fermanagh. Pete McGrath the next Down senior manager.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 18, 2009, 06:34:41 PM
Are 7,9 and/or 12 on the Down senior panel? Some exciting players on that Down team and a few of them should be starting v Fermanagh. Pete McGrath the next Down senior manager.
I think there were a few Down ones on this board looking rid of him from the u21 post after his first year.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 18, 2009, 06:34:41 PM
Are 7,9 and/or 12 on the Down senior panel? Some exciting players on that Down team and a few of them should be starting v Fermanagh. Pete McGrath the next Down senior manager.
Yeah 9 and 12 are, fitzpatrick and ORielly. no. 7 timmy hanna is not.
Congrats to Down and Cork, 2 entertaining games to watch, thanks tg4.ie.
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 18, 2009, 06:28:37 PM
Brilliant win for Down. great forward line was the difference. Down took there chances, Mayo didnt, typical Mayo. How Pete Fitzpatrick didnt get man of match is beyond me. he was absoultly phenomenal against Tom Parsons who was an ireland compromise rules player last year. This man has to be Dan Gordons partner on May 17th against Fermanagh. Bring on Cork.
No!! That would be a very bad idea!!
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 18, 2009, 06:34:41 PM
Are 7,9 and/or 12 on the Down senior panel? Some exciting players on that Down team and a few of them should be starting v Fermanagh. Pete McGrath the next Down senior manager.
7 - Timmy Hanna is not on the Down panel but 9 - Pete Fitzpatrick and 12 - Jamie O'Reilly are.
Colm Murney, Michael Magee, Conor Maginn and Paul McComiskey are also on the Senior panel.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 18, 2009, 06:37:18 PM
Congrats to Down and Cork, 2 entertaining games to watch, thanks tg4.ie.
Agreed, fair play to TG4 for bringing us games that RTE for whatever reason, never bothered with.
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It will take a bloody good team to beat Mayo.
You were right! :D Down are a bloody good team!
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 18, 2009, 06:28:37 PM
Brilliant win for Down. great forward line was the difference. Down took there chances, Mayo didnt, typical Mayo. How Pete Fitzpatrick didnt get man of match is beyond me. he was absoultly phenomenal against Tom Parsons who was an ireland compromise rules player last year. This man has to be Dan Gordons partner on May 17th against Fermanagh. Bring on Cork.
i definately agree! :)
Great result for Down! Ref was a disgrace. Fitzpatrick will surely be knocking on the door for the Championship and surely wee Pauls days on the bench are over, or are they?
Well done Down, hard luck Mayo, more hard luck Armagh etc.
Totally disgusted....Dublin kicked that semi final away.....same old same old....... Still feel that our future full back will be O'Carroll who was outstanding today imo. THe sooner he gets into the senior team the better.
Anyway congrats to both Down and Cork.
well done to down, after wed night it was a big ask of the lads to do it all over again 3 days later. down played some stuff today, big mention to the down midfield who won their battle when all the talk was they would get cleaned out. other mentions to joe murphy, conor poland and paul mc. roll on mayday!!
The only thing that worries me about number 9 for Down was he went out of it for much of the 2nd half. Would stamina be an issue? Thought he was unreal in the 1st half, some great catches up against a strong Mayo midfield. Will be interesting to see Down in Ulster this year. There side of the draw is wide open.
Well done to Down on a cracking performance three days after the Ulster final. They have some really classy players and a wise old fox on the sideline. Best of luck to them.
As for Mayo - well, the drawing board is no stranger to us, is it? ::)
Two good games, go raibh maith agaibh TG4.
Totally biased, but thought Down were the class act on show. Gaelic Football the way it should be played.A re-run of the 1979 final against Cork - wee Pete to complete the treble. The prospect of P Fitz and Dan picking out Benny and Mc Comiskey is the business !
Quote from: Canalman on April 18, 2009, 07:26:05 PM
Totally disgusted....Dublin kicked that semi final away.....same old same old....... Still feel that our future full back will be O'Carroll who was outstanding today imo. THe sooner he gets into the senior team the better.
Anyway congrats to both Down and Cork.
To a point canalman- did you not feel that game was a microcosm of dublin football for the last decade. All huff and puff. Thought the lads worked fantastically well but lacked a little bit. I thought our backs were ropey in general and we missed too much. Cork had the little bit extra.
Thought Down were fantastic- where the f*** do all the players go up there. Mayo a bit like dublin- lacked a little bit. Definitely the two sides in the final for me anyway.
First game had an exciting ending but the football wasnt near as good as in the second.
In both ganes the winners were the team that had the forwards who could kick the ball over the bar from anywhere.
Down played some excellent football which was a joy to watch.
How would we have done against them I wonder :-\ :'(
Good to see ye Down and Mayo crowds get a dose of Longford Reffing...we've been on the receiving end of them for years >:(
(However they're not the worst ... dont get me started on the Laythrum whistlers ....)
As for the Final - if Down get the same amount of posession as Dublin did it will be over after 20 minutes but then again every game is a different story.
Just in the door from Longford. Very disappointed, I thought there was an All-Ireland in this Mayo team but we can have no complaints, Down were much the better team and two goals against the run of play kept us in the game when it looked like we'd be blown away.
I don't see how some Down posters reckon the referee screwed them - he made a number of brutal decisions against both teams. The sending off was the right call, the first yellow was for Fitzpatrick hauling down O'Shea in the first half and the second one was a cynical attempt to stop Donal Vaughan getting in on goal.
Down won because, like most people said, they had forwards who could do damage, particularly McCommiskey and Jamie O'Reilly. But two things I'd like to add - Kevin McLoughlin should have been put on McCommiskey because Kevin Keane was struggling. Mayo management have to hold their hands up there. And while the Down attack was strong, Down won the game because of the strong performance around midfield and on the breaking ball. Peter Fitzpatrick was the best player on the pitch, I don't know how he didn't get man of the match. He gave Tom Parsons the runaround in the first half like I've never seen before with Parsons. Tom came into more in the second half and people might reckon Fitzpatrick was fading but the reality was there was no way he could dominate for the entire half but he more than did damage.
Also there was talk of the Down full-back line being weak. They weren't. None of the Mayo full-forward line were able to do much, partly because of their own limitations (Douglas being the exception - he was class imo) but also because of some tenacious defending by the Down full-back line.
Oh, and one more thing, even though the result was the right one, if Mayo had a decent free-taker we could have got more from the game. Jason Doherty kicked two badly short and Kevin McLoughlin kicked two wide from kickable positions (O'Shea should have been taking them surely?). But had those scores went over they would be scores that would have enabled Mayo to STEAL the game. Down are very, very good and, without having seen Cork, its gonna be hard to see past Down.
That was a cracking game of football, though the referee made some very dubious decisions in the second half in favour of Mayo, it seemed that he was doing everything but taking the kicks for them. At one stage Down simply couldn't get a break from the referee. I cannot really comment on the sending off as I didn't get a clear view of it, but everyone around us thought it was a harsh decision.
My man of the match today was Peter Fitzpatrick, who seemed to catch everything that came his way in the first half and scored an excellent point. In saying that it was a hell of a team performance, from the corner back to the corner forward everyone seemed to play well. Jamie O`Reilly scored 3 excellent points and Conor Maginn added another fine point. McComiskey showed well for the ball all day and caused the Mayo defence no end of problems. The entire Down forward line seemed willing and able to shoot from anywhere, something the senior panel could well learn from.
Congratulations to everyone concerned on a truly magnificent game of football, commiserations to a good Mayo side. I sincerely hope that Down go on to win it, it would be great, not only for the future of Down football, but for Peter McGrath, who would complete the collection with wins already at minor and senior level.
Down now meet Cork in the All Ireland Final on Star Wars day, May the fourth be with them ;)
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from the corner back to the corner forward everyone seemed to play well.
Poor aul goalkeeper.
From the `keeper to the corner forward, though in truth the `keeper should have came for the ball that led to Mayo's second goal.
Is the game available anywhere on line? Is there a TG4 equivalent of the iplayer?
I have no complaints. Well actually I have. It was Mayo's half back line that cost us the game, not able to get tight or do anything to Down. The f**king ref was shocking for both teams I thought. Yes I berated him as much as everyone else in the ground. I expected more from Parsons and O'Shea today. I thought that Keane put up a good performance against McComiskey despite McComiskey scoring a lot for Down, then again the lack of any other defender's ability to do anything probably made Keane good in my books. Fair play to Down, I'd imagine ye will go on to win the thing now. I haven't seen the cork game but Down seem like a good team and as Whoareya said Down are a bloody good team. Mayo had too many wides from the forwards and one other thing, have we not got ANYBODY to strike a 45 over the bar from one of the forwards? Even at Senior we are struggling to do this. Anyone else think McLoughlin was poor today? He was out of it against Tyrone as well... So I'd doubt he will start in the Mayo championship 15.
Match report on my blog here: http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/under-21s-end-year-at-semi-final-stage-again/
I agree with you Farrandeelin, Kevin McLoughlin hasn't been great in the last two games but I reckon he'll still be starting come championship. Donal Vaughan was very loose today on the other wing.
Done the Longford trip and now just after re-watching the game again on TG4......
A few random comments from a Mayo perspective:
- The ref ...... aggggghhhh ..... i can appreciate that both sides feel they were shafted which is a sure sig of a bad ref ..... but but but ..... 1 thing that frustrated me to near dementia - the inconsistency in bringing the ball forward 14 yards. He brought it forward for us once but about 4 or 5 times for Down, 3 times for which it was the main contributing factor to Down scores. He almost seemed to pick on Aidan O'Shea in particular in this regard in that he brought it forward 3 times after he committed fouls. The first time O'Shea was verbally giving out and the other 2 were mere stares at the ref as if saying "what the f*ck did i do wrong there" - both of these 2 times lead to Down scores after the ball was brought up. Seperate to O'Shea there was a time in the first half when Down had committed a foul outside the 50 and threw the ball to the ref who in turn threw it to a Mayo player to take ..... move on to the second half - Mayo committ the foul, throw the ball to the ref, he brings it up about 25 yards and score.
- Putting your body on the line ..... Down did it, we didn't - and it was a major contributing factor to them winning the game. Two many times Mayo players didn't put the body on the line in their efforts to get the ball. I won't mention names but whe it happened (at least 3 times in the second half) i was standing screaming "well you go for the bloody ball when its there to be won"..... for men like Noel Connelly and Michael Collins on the sideline, this must gaul them
- Learn to be cyncial .... apllies to all the team. The reason Down won the game is cos they done what they had to do when the centre back was sent off (2nd yellow, correct decision), i.e.: they committed the cynical fouls - the ankle tap on Mikey Sweeney in particular springs to mind. We are a type of team that plays with this gay abandon regardless of what stage the game is at (and always do at underage level) wheres winners at this level have the steel and the cynical style of play when needed.
- Robert Hennelly .... on the free he dropped short from about 6 or 7 yards ouside the 50 in the 2nd half ........ i would bet any money that when he lined that up he realised it was an 80 to 20 against that he would convert it. The cross breeze, the way he strikes the ball, and a slight slope accross the pitch towards the stand (not the distance) - he was never going to kick that one. He also badly needs to work on his short kickouts as we were getting destroyed in the middle in the first half and nothing changed on the kickout front.
Comparing his performance from the minor championship last year versus today (i did not get to see any of the Connacht matches) it looks to me like the only part of his game he was worked on is getting extra length into his kickouts (wasn't even so much of a problem then anyway). This part of his game is now fine so time to work on the short and never as much as bother to kick a balll long in training.
- Seamus Parson ....... ring Willie Joe Padden and ask him for a few coaching sessions on how to get your hands to a ball. This crack of going up with soft hands, i.e.: waiting for the ball to land into your hands as you spring through the skys, is good enough while playing for Charlestown and Connacht U-21 matches and some county senior league and championship matches but when you come up against a midfield like Downs today then its not worth a toss. GRASP the ball with fierce aggression, think of the ball as having to be burst by the force of your hands clasping it, etc. Athleticism alone will not be good enough to be on a winning Mayo mdifield team in an All-Ireland final ..... oh and Ronan McG, sit in on this coaching sesssion too.
- Kevin McLoughlin really needs to change his free taking style if he is to be an option in the future. We all know that all things being equal that you are better off hitting a fee from the ground. While McLoughlin hits them from the hands he further puts himself at disadvantage by spinning the ball with his right hand on to his left and straight down on to the left boot. This is crazy stuff which i would send an U-12 player home for even trying (well ok, slight exaggeration but you get my drift). For the 2 frees he missed today - i have watched them both 5 or 6 times - the spinning ball in his left hand was not under control as he dropped it on to his left foot and hence the kicks went wide
- Again, Kevin McLoughlin - very classy, stylish, intelligent footballer ..... but, but, but ..... look at the way Noel Connelly played the game. Watch the video of Connellys debut in autumn '95 when he hit Galway midfielder Fergal Gavin under the stand in McHale Park with such ferocity that i thought Gavin (a 6' 3" 15 stone midfielder) was going to have to be hosptialised. You need to develop steel in your game .... and pick it up quite a bit - not good enough today
- Donal Vaughan ...... same comment re the Noel Connelly steel factor - and for God sake, tighten up a bit. A loose player with no steel has no future in the Mayo jersey .... and the only reason i say this is cos i think he can bring this to his game. There are other players one could be critical of but whats the point as they have no future in the Mayo senior jersey.
- Kevin Keane ..... are you a clone of Kevin Cahill (but better) ?!?! Of course though there is room for improvement ..... coming up against real pace is a problem - well actually more that its the first half a yard that has him struggling and playing catchup. Its seems to be the flat footed thing again - like Ger Cafferkey - but this is just something to be worked on
- Breaking ball ...... i done a freeze frame on most kickouts from the match - just that fraction of a second before the ball was about to be contested, when guys were just leaving the ground to catch the ball ...... in most cases it looked like Mayo lads were well positioned to contest any breaking ball. I let plays runs on and in the first half in particular Down seemed to win about 8 out of 10 breaking balls. When you look in closer detail in real time you can see the Down guys are moving into the breaking ball zone at speed and are thus more likely to win the breaking ball as they can react quicker to the ball that does not go straight into someones arms. More often that not, the Mayo lads were in a stationery position as the ball was breaking so unless the ball drops straight to you then you are have no hope of winning the break in that scenario ........... hope i am making sense on this one as it hard to describe.
- Apparently there was an Aussie scout there today looking at O'Shea and Parsons. Thankfully the Down midfielder was the standout player ...... for every ill wind....
- Oh to have had Pierce Hanley
And final footnote - by my reckoning, Michael Collins has been a Mayo U-21 selector for 6 seasons (94, 95, 2006, 07, 08 & 09) and Mayo never lost a Connacht championship game in those 6 seasons .... impressive
Quote from: The flame still burns on April 19, 2009, 12:11:01 AM
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I agree with you Farrandeelin, Kevin McLoughlin hasn't been great in the last two games but I reckon he'll still be starting come championship. Donal Vaughan was very loose today on the other wing.
I think you are being very harsh on Keane. Yes he was having to deal with a real live wire but when McComiskey done him it was more down to the quality of bal he was getting. As the line goes, a full forward is only as good as the ball he gets - and McComiskey got good ball ....... and the goal was all down to the Down wing back charging forward creating the extra man, Brian Gallagher wasn't up to that chase and was subbed off straight after.
As for the goal - definitely defintely Douglas. The ball came down off the crossbar and hit the ground about 2 yards right beside the keeper.
Very good analysis Blast, I'd agree with pretty much all of it. I wouldn't worry too much about McLoughlin's free-taking technique though because he'll hardly be taking them again.
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Quote from: The flame still burns on April 19, 2009, 12:11:01 AM
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I agree with you Farrandeelin, Kevin McLoughlin hasn't been great in the last two games but I reckon he'll still be starting come championship. Donal Vaughan was very loose today on the other wing.
I think you are being very harsh on Keane. Yes he was having to deal with a real live wire but when McComiskey done him it was more down to the quality of bal he was getting. As the line goes, a full forward is only as good as the ball he gets - and McComiskey got good ball ....... and the goal was all down to the Down wing back charging forward creating the extra man, Brian Gallagher wasn't up to that chase and was subbed off straight after.
As for the goal - definitely defintely Douglas. The ball came down off the crossbar and hit the ground about 2 yards right beside the keeper.
Thank you regarding Douglas!!!
On Kevin Keane, I'd hold out good hope for him and he has a fantastic attitude too. But I do worry when pacey forwards run at him. As I said in the blog it was a big ask for an 18 year old to take McCommiskey and I reckon we'd have been better served with McLoughlin picking him up. Yeah, you are right about the goal though. That wing-back was responsible for at least 2 first half points too - Brian Gallagher was left on for way too long.
Fiistly fair dues to Down today - the best team won taking some great points and I thought the quality of their foot passing at times was class.
My one and only gripe with mayo comes from a strategic planning for the senior team point of view - To win an All Ireland we badly need to get another Maurice Sheridan / Michael Fitzmaurice type player who when he puts the ball on the ground will give you an 70/80 % strike rate up to and including the 45 yard line. Aiden Walsh last year in the minor team is the only lad I have seen who may grow into this role but to my eye there has been no effort on any of the U 21 teams to find,coach and develop a player of this kind. For a county which has a dearth of class finishing forwards surely finding this type of player is something we should be looking at.
Its been been a good few years for underage football in Mayo and I can see talent coming through to fill most of the positions on the senior team of the future - but this is something I feel badly needs to be targeted. Maybe somebody knows if it already happens ? Heres hoping!
In fairness I don't think that is the role of the county managements but rather something the clubs and club free takers should be working on themselves. However I do think the CB and those involved with games development in Mayo should be looking at how they can produce more players who have all the skills necessary. IMO a data base should be set up where all players from U14 upwards can be monitored, weaknesses and strengths assessed as they progress and any glaring weaknesses should be tackled through development squads, schools and clubs. Camps should be run throughout the county every year focusing on different aspects of the game e.g. tackling camps, point and goal scoring camps, how to play in the full forward line camps etc. There is no point looking at a 15 year old and saying he'll be some player in a few years and leaviing it at that, talanted players in particular should be monitored and their weaknesses addressed through the clubs, schools and county from 14 years of age up.
Have to say the Mayomen on here are balanced, gracious in defeat and the best informed of any county -IMO.
However, regarding the final ,Cork are a big strong team and I think we will have our work cut out. Good luck to you in Connaught.
Quote from: Dubh driocht on April 19, 2009, 10:21:40 AM
Have to say the Mayomen on here are balanced, gracious in defeat and the best informed of any county -IMO.
However, regarding the final ,Cork are a big strong team and I think we will have our work cut out. Good luck to you in Connaught.
We've had plenty of practice!
once again excellent performance from down, didnt make it to the game so can't really give any sort of analysis but i thought downs attacking play was first class. peter fitzpatrick was outstanding from what i saw. he should have been mom.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 19, 2009, 12:47:32 AM
Very good analysis Blast, I'd agree with pretty much all of it. I wouldn't worry too much about McLoughlin's free-taking technique though because he'll hardly be taking them again.
Surely O'Shea would have been a better man to take these fress.
The Mayo senior team and u-21 team both with no comfortable steady free taker that can take a 45, thats a worry
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Quote from: Canalman on April 18, 2009, 07:26:05 PM
Totally disgusted....Dublin kicked that semi final away.....same old same old....... Still feel that our future full back will be O'Carroll who was outstanding today imo. THe sooner he gets into the senior team the better.
Anyway congrats to both Down and Cork.
To a point canalman- did you not feel that game was a microcosm of dublin football for the last decade. All huff and puff. Thought the lads worked fantastically well but lacked a little bit. I thought our backs were ropey in general and we missed too much. Cork had the little bit extra.
Thought Down were fantastic- where the f*** do all the players go up there. Mayo a bit like dublin- lacked a little bit. Definitely the two sides in the final for me anyway.
Jaysus, don't no about Cork having "that little bit extra". I thought it was a remarkable achievement of the Dubs to lose a game when we were dominant is so many positions all over the pitch. 16 bladdy wides, and Paddy Andrews will never miss as many chances.
Down look the class act of the four alright, but with Cork having rode their luck considerably against both Tipp and Dublin, maybe their name is on it.
Cadburys GAA Football All Ireland U21 Championship
Mon 4th May
Final: Cork V Down
venue: Portlaoise, time:3 30 pm, (Ref:TBC) TG4 (Live)
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Quote from: Canalman on April 18, 2009, 07:26:05 PM
Totally disgusted....Dublin kicked that semi final away.....same old same old....... Still feel that our future full back will be O'Carroll who was outstanding today imo. THe sooner he gets into the senior team the better.
Anyway congrats to both Down and Cork.
To a point canalman- did you not feel that game was a microcosm of dublin football for the last decade. All huff and puff. Thought the lads worked fantastically well but lacked a little bit. I thought our backs were ropey in general and we missed too much. Cork had the little bit extra.
Thought Down were fantastic- where the f*** do all the players go up there. Mayo a bit like dublin- lacked a little bit. Definitely the two sides in the final for me anyway.
Jaysus, don't no about Cork having "that little bit extra". I thought it was a remarkable achievement of the Dubs to lose a game when we were dominant is so many positions all over the pitch. 16 bladdy wides, and Paddy Andrews will never miss as many chances.
Down look the class act of the four alright, but with Cork having rode their luck considerably against both Tipp and Dublin, maybe their name is on it.
Do you not think thought that is the bit extra. 13, 10 and 14 were class for Cork. I know their names I just can't remember who was who. They kicked some outrageous scores. At the end of the day -16 wides indicates to me we just didn't have it. All-Ireland semi finals are days to perform and we came up short.
They just had better forwards than we had. Surely thats the sign of a quality team. Anyway we did well to get to where we did. We hasn't won a leinster u21 championship match for 4 years so it was a good season.
Does anyone know what the ticket/admission prices are likely to be for the under 21 final, looking into bringing a coach load of kids from the club down to watch it and trying to work out the rough cost of it all
Quote from: Superstar on April 22, 2009, 08:22:02 AM
Does anyone know what the ticket/admission prices are likely to be for the under 21 final, looking into bringing a coach load of kids from the club down to watch it and trying to work out the rough cost of it all
Free in for u16s surely?
was thinking that myself, wanna be sure tho dont want 50 under 10's satnding with mius cash outside the ground lol
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Quote from: downgirl on April 18, 2009, 06:21:47 PM
Brilliant by Down, glad to see the hunger in them allowed them to hang on despite having 14 men and an anti-Ulster ref!!!
::)
What's the face for?
Sure he was from the fecken
EAST OF THE SHANNON REF., what else do you lot want, obviously he hates the West.
Why have you a Corkman in your pic Son of Sam??
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 23, 2009, 05:57:09 PM
Why have you a Corkman in your pic Son of Sam??
WEST Corkman :D
Quote from: Hound on April 20, 2009, 12:38:54 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2009, 10:01:02 PM
Quote from: Canalman on April 18, 2009, 07:26:05 PM
Totally disgusted....Dublin kicked that semi final away.....same old same old....... Still feel that our future full back will be O'Carroll who was outstanding today imo. THe sooner he gets into the senior team the better.
Anyway congrats to both Down and Cork.
To a point canalman- did you not feel that game was a microcosm of dublin football for the last decade. All huff and puff. Thought the lads worked fantastically well but lacked a little bit. I thought our backs were ropey in general and we missed too much. Cork had the little bit extra.
Thought Down were fantastic- where the f*** do all the players go up there. Mayo a bit like dublin- lacked a little bit. Definitely the two sides in the final for me anyway.
Jaysus, don't no about Cork having "that little bit extra". I thought it was a remarkable achievement of the Dubs to lose a game when we were dominant is so many positions all over the pitch. 16 bladdy wides, and Paddy Andrews will never miss as many chances.
Down look the class act of the four alright, but with Cork having rode their luck considerably against both Tipp and Dublin, maybe their name is on it.
Down looked impressive alright. They even got the better of O'Shea and Parsons at midfield.
You can see highlights of the game here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UaejepjfDs
Id expect Down to go for the same starting XV that lined out against Mayo. Cork look to have a few dangerous forwards and I think it will be a case of Down having to outscore them as I dont think our defence is overly stingy.
Incidentally, this was the starting XV for the Down Minors in 2006. I.e. this years U-21's.
Gavin Joyce, Mark Digney, Andy Sloan, Conor Og O'Hagan, Gerard McCartan, Colm Murney, Fergal Doyle, Peter Fitzpatrick, Luke Toner, Jamie O'Reilly, Niall Mulholland, Seamus Grant, Conor Maginn, Sean Kelly, Paul McComiskey.
Only 7 of that starting XV are involved with the U-21 squad this year.
Good article / interview with wee Pete in the Sunday Tribune today.
http://www.tribune.ie/sport/gaelic-football/article/2009/may/03/down-but-nowhere-near-out/ (http://www.tribune.ie/sport/gaelic-football/article/2009/may/03/down-but-nowhere-near-out/)
Down team for todays game.
1 Gavin Joyce Baile ui Mhairtin
2 Mark Digney Seamrogai An Iur
3 Colm Murney Caislean Ruarai
4 Damian Turley Dun Phadraig
5 Timmy Hanna Ath Bhriain
6 John Fitzpatrick Baile ui Mhairtin
7 Joseph Murphy Baile Cholmain
8 Michael Magee Ard Ghlais
9 Peter Fitzpatrick Baile ui Mhairtin
10 Eamon Toner Boireann
11 Conor Maginn Ath Bhriain
12 Jamie O Reilly Loch an Oileain
13 Paul Devlin Cill Chua
14 Paul McComiskey Dun Droma
15 Conor Poland Cloch Fhada
Cork team for today
1. Anthony Seymoure
2 Sean Mc Loughlin
3. Liam Jennings
4. Noel Galvin
5. Conor O Driscoll
6. Aidan Walsh
7. Bart Daly
8 Chris Donovan
9. Kevin O Driscoll
10. Ciaran Sheehan
11. Mark Collins.
12.Colm O Driscoll
13. Colm O Neill
14. David Goold
15. Paul Honohan
Cork have some very good forwards, Colm O'Neill and Sheehan in particular are as good as anything in Ireland at U21 level but I'd have my doubts about the midfield and backline. Having watched the two semis I'd expect Down to dominate midfield and as such should be able to create more scoring chances and therefore win the game.
match is on tg4 now. even though it is not listed on papers to be shown
Very strong wind at Portlaoise which could have a big bearing on things, hope it doesn't ruin the game but it appears to be a cross wind which will make scoring difficult.
Good luck to both teams - hope Down win it but I think Cork will have too much for them.
That wind is making this a bit shit. Down seem very reluctant to shoot from any further than 21 yards out.
Not looking good for down.
Cork FF and to a lesser extent CHF are causing serious problems and they're winning most of the break ball.McComiskey being well shackled too.
Still only 3 points in it at HT so still in with a chance. Cork giving away the ball badly in the FB line.
Score?
Cork 0.8 Down o.5 at HT.
Anybody know who has the wind adv? Based on Downs close-in free it seems they are kicking into a strong breeze however the flags behind those posts seem to be blowing in Downs favour.
CK 0-09 DN 0-08 10 mins in 2nd half
I've seen Down's last 3 games and this is by far the worst they have played, but they're still right in it. If their forwards start to click I can see them pulling this one out of the bag.
48 mins Cork 0-12 Down 1-8
down r going ritely
Any links? Have Down backed as last leg of accumulator!
You should be able top watch it online at www.tg4.tv
Cork still one up - they look just that bit better.
Murney was obviously told to get in Golds face in the second half and is doing that bit better.
Spoke too soon - goal for Down!
53 mins goal from Timmy Hanna
An Dún 2-8 Corcaigh 0-12
Great goal for Down, very like the one the scored to beat Armagh with the way it was worked the whole way up the pitch. I don't know why they haven't been able to put together a few more moves with that sort of quality.
58 mins
An Dún 2-9 Corcaigh 0-13
at least 2 minutes of additional time
my heart can't take it!!
Down's turn to be cynical here and put in the rugby tackles. Can't let Cork through for a goal
Goal cork - game over it seems!
You cursed them AFS!!!
Full Time
Corcaigh 1-13 An Dún 2-09
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Gavin Joyce was talking to the physio looked like he said shouldn't have let it in and she said it's not your fault. Must be awful being GK in situations like that.
Horrible luck. Hard luck Down.
Game over - ref gave down a chance and if the no 5 had picked the ball up rather than playing soccer they'd probably have equalised it!
Quote from: AFS on May 04, 2009, 04:49:32 PM
Down's turn to be cynical here and put in the rugby tackles. Can't let Cork through for a goal
:o
Live by the sword, die by the sword
f**k f**k f**k f**k f**k f**k
Saw last 2 mins in the pub next door to work
f**k f**k f**k f**k f**k
Heartbreak for Down who gave Cork a lesson at times. Cork were a much bigger, more physical side. Best team lost.
Football can be cruel at times.
Fair play to Cork at the same time - never gave up and fought to the end.
The throw up ball about 5 mins from the end proved costly.
didnt get to the match watched it on tv. was an excellent game of football, both teams tried to play good open football. heartbreaking for down. 2 points is a dangerous lead.
Quote from: orangeman on May 04, 2009, 05:02:11 PM
Heartbreak for Down who gave Cork a lesson at times.
Don't know about that. Cork led for most of the game.
I thought Cork were the better team - no 13 and no 14 were the two best players on the pitch and 11 and 12 weren't bad either.
Down have some good footballers on that team too who'll go far. The big midfielder and McComiskey will probably see a good bit of senior action this summer.
No 7, 13 and 15 will also be good when they beef up a bit.
feel sick after that ending
Cork football looks to be in for a relatively healthy period.
Quote from: orangeman on May 04, 2009, 05:02:11 PM
Heartbreak for Down who gave Cork a lesson at times. Cork were a much bigger, more physical side. Best team lost.
Football can be cruel at times.
Fair play to Cork at the same time - never gave up and fought to the end.
The throw up ball about 5 mins from the end proved costly.
I'd also disagree with that.
Down worked the 2 goals well but I was disappointed with their forwards.
Cork effectively had to play without their best forward (Sheehan struggled badly with injury and had to go off) but Gould, O'Neill and the centre forward played well.
QuoteHeartbreak for Down who gave Cork a lesson at times. Cork were a much bigger, more physical side. Best team lost.
Football can be cruel at times.
You have to be joking, Cork looked the far better team for long periods and while they caught a break at the end to win it there is no way the better team lost. I wouldn't say Cork were superior either but they are as deserving winners as Down would have been had Down held on, now when they beat Laois 2 years ago with a late goal, in that one they did beat the better team.
QuoteCork football looks to be in for a relatively healthy period.
Cork have been coming for a good number of years now and I've said it before but they will be the standard bearers in football over the next 10 years IMO. This won't be the last decent U21 side Cork will produce over the next few years of that you can be sure.
The better team won this game I think. Cork were a lot more physical than their opponents and I think they had the better forwards on show.
For Down, I thought that Timmy Hanna had a good game in defence while Magee and Fitzpatrick worked hard in the middle. Up front we were generally well marked but Toner, Maginn and McComiskey showed up best.
There is no worse way to loose a final than a last minute goal. Cork were be far the better team in the first half and Down really only got going in the second half. There are a lot of good prospects on this team and along with the lads from last years U21's they should be able to bolster the Down senior panel in the years to come.
From a totally selfish point of view I am delighted for Cork. I know one or two of the players so it is nice for them. Also from my own point of view(I am trying to promote football in a 95% hurling parish) any success in football will make my job easier. I can actually see it happening so long may it continue.
Heartbreaking stuff indead. Really have to fel for the players on that one. Now they know what it felt like for the Tyrone minors in 2005. Oldest cliche in the game, but its not over to the final whistle. Sure we could nip and pick at things that may have gone better for Down, but that goal with virtually seconds left, is the reason why we all play football, why we all love the game so much. No-one can describe the feeling of being on the right side of a result liek that, similarly, the wrong side of it too i suppose. Aw wel. back to back Ulster championships is nothing to be ashamed of for Pete and Mickey and co.
Class acts on the cork team- o neill-gould etc- allstar potential . Glad I've got cork at 11-1 for the senior all-ireland this year. Serious force.
Devastated for our boys after the character they have shown in the championship this year to date against Mayo, Armagh and Tyrone......they nearly pulled it off again. Some real prospects on that team...not least McComiskey who looks more like Wee James every time I see him....thon Hanna is a helluva player too....easy to see why Pete made him Captain.....as for senior prospects.....still got probs at full back though.....loads of deadly forwards, great attacking half backs and a monstrous midfield....however we need an imposing full back and we were exposed quite a bit in this position today.
Well done Cork...they deserved it ....though it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if it had have went to extra time :-\
Martin Clarke would have been u21 this year too wouldn't he?
While obviously there's what might have been to lose a player of that quality in an underage team and still get to an AI final is commendable. Obviously a well rounded team when they won the minors too.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 04, 2009, 08:53:05 PM
Martin Clarke would have been u21 this year too wouldn't he?
While obviously there's what might have been to lose a player of that quality in an underage team and still get to an AI final is commendable. Obviously a well rounded team when they won the minors too.
No Martin was over age for this team.
Quote from: Zulu on May 04, 2009, 05:38:04 PM
QuoteHeartbreak for Down who gave Cork a lesson at times. Cork were a much bigger, more physical side. Best team lost.
Football can be cruel at times.
You have to be joking, Cork looked the far better team for long periods and while they caught a break at the end to win it there is no way the better team lost. I wouldn't say Cork were superior either but they are as deserving winners as Down would have been had Down held on, now when they beat Laois 2 years ago with a late goal, in that one they did beat the better team.
QuoteCork football looks to be in for a relatively healthy period.
Cork have been coming for a good number of years now and I've said it before but they will be the standard bearers in football over the next 10 years IMO. This won't be the last decent U21 side Cork will produce over the next few years of that you can be sure.
zulu you sure do have the horn for cork
:D
Quote from: Captain Black on May 04, 2009, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 04, 2009, 05:38:04 PM
QuoteHeartbreak for Down who gave Cork a lesson at times. Cork were a much bigger, more physical side. Best team lost.
Football can be cruel at times.
You have to be joking, Cork looked the far better team for long periods and while they caught a break at the end to win it there is no way the better team lost. I wouldn't say Cork were superior either but they are as deserving winners as Down would have been had Down held on, now when they beat Laois 2 years ago with a late goal, in that one they did beat the better team.
QuoteCork football looks to be in for a relatively healthy period.
Cork have been coming for a good number of years now and I've said it before but they will be the standard bearers in football over the next 10 years IMO. This won't be the last decent U21 side Cork will produce over the next few years of that you can be sure.
zulu you sure do have the horn for cork
Well if that's a northern term for rating Cork very highly then I sure do, if it means something else, I'll have to put more thought into how I'm expressing myself. :D
Absolutely heart breaking result but a little more cuteness in running down the clock would have seen us through. However I must say having witnessed things at first hand that Cork shaded the game. They looked to have that little bit extra but you could never have dreamt up that finish.
I know hindsight is a great master but Pete's age old refusal to use subs came home to roost.
Never mind, a lot of these boys are eligible next year and they certainly gave us a great boost to the start of the season. Here's hoping to a long summer of county football and well done Rebels
Just back from the most cruel finish I can remember any Down team suffering for many years. Cork are a fine side, but we took everything they could throw at us, got on top, hit them for two goals and should have had it wrapped up before that last attack.
We could not have complained if Cork had been five or six up at half time, as they won all the breaking ball and were physically too strong for our defence. However, Pete sorted things out, we took a grip at midfield and our forwards had the winning of the game.
Digney might have been replaced earlier, and Murphy looked out of sorts, but they were up against big men and we generally carried the ball out of defence well. Hanna is a fantastic prospect and his goal should have seen us home. McComiskey and Devlin were also outstanding.
We seemed to freeze for the last Cork attack, although, having seen it again on tv, Joyce made a decent save and they simply reacted faster than we did. Joyce was also in nets for St Louis when they lost the 2006 MacRory final in the third minute of injury time,but he had no chance that day.
A game like today can make or break young players, but we should be expecting five or six of this team to play senior championship football. As long as they are not thrown in too soon, they should have better days to come.
Desperately disappointed but this group have players have given us 5 great performances.Two positive teams but Cork took players out when they needed to .Pete was quoted in the Tribune yesterday as wanting defenders who played the traditional Down way and got to the ball first- well , that may be morally right, but the defence bar Fitzpatrick and Hanna stood off their men too much and when Murney clumsily pulled his man back he got a yellow and they got a soft 13m free when play was in the central zone.Need a Dark Arts coach badly.
Thought the forwards didn't play with the same confidence as previous games(Maginn and O'Reilly particularly) although Mc Comiskey has no problems in that area.Cork were bigger and shaded mf in the first half but Magee, and particularly Fitzpatrick, came good in the second.Their FF line was class but we don't have the defenders to deal with big aggressive forwards.
Anyway, a long old journey for a cruel defeat but proud to be a Down fan- Timmy Hanna has the heart we need.
Best team on the day won imo.
That's the 2 finals won by Cork with last minute goals (not including their win v Laois some years ago)...... they are battlers ( in the good sense) which will stand to them in the future at senior level.
Great match today ,a cruel way to lose .Cork dominated for long periods but could not pull away .The Tyrone teams of 2000 and 2001 are the last u21 team to really make an impact at senior level .
Me heart bleeds for Down and the cruel way they let this title go but in truth I would say that over the 60mins Cork played the better.
The way the Down lads beavered away against a bigger stronger side to create what should have been a winning position speaks loads for their character and raises great hope for future Down senior development.
Nonetheless, fair play to the Cork lads. Conceding a goal that puts you two pts down going into overtime would kill off many but these lads never give up. The type of spirit even the most disappointed Down man will tip his cap to.
There is a lot of talk that a sizeable majority of these U-21 players will filter through to the Seniors in the coming years. I wouldnt be so sure.
Fitzpatrick, Magee, McComiskey, Maginn, O'Reilly and Murney have all tasted Senior action. Out of these six players I can only really see Fitzpatrick, McComiskey and Maginn nailing down starting bearths in the years to come.
Outside of those six, there are players with plenty of potential but I just cant see many of them making a big impact on the Senior squad in the near future.
DownFanatic is right to point out that the odds are against u21 players making the step up, as only two of the starting 15 from the 2005 AI u21 final (Rogers and Carr) are in the present senior squad. However, I think that considerably more than three of yesterday's team have a big chance of coming through eventually.
While McComiskey and Peter Fitzpatrick are almost certaintiies, I am not sure about Maginn, purely in terms of size for a position like CHF, although he has the ability. Hanna is not huge, but he is still reasonably well built and has a fantastic engine. He also has leadership qualities and can take a score, and must get a run either this year or next.
Michael Magee is still raw, and took too many wrong options yesterday, but he is as strong as a bull and has a great left foot. John Fitzpatrick is another possibility, as he is already a decent player and, as he is already in the UCD Sigerson team, will probably improve further.
Paul Devlin is an outstanding prospect, and Conor Poland is not far behind him, although they both have another two years at u21 level. Jamie O'Reilly took a heavy knock early on yesterday, and did not really feature afterwards, but his display against Mayo showed his potential as well.
It all depends how they cope with yesterday's setback, and we have seen a range of other false dawns over recent years, but we clearly have something to build on over the next few seasons.
Did anyone see the Captain of the cork side giving the fingers to someone in the crowd yesterday when he was about to be presented with the cup? It was the funniest thing I ever saw happening at an all-ireland final...awh the joys of sky plus :D ;D Exciting second half which Down largely dominated but it was the first half performance of Cork which saw them through to glory undoubtedly! Down never seem to have luck when it comes to the all-ireland final of the u-21's...they were beaten by a couple of points by Galway round the turn of the millenium...extra points go to those who remember the score that day!!?? 8) Will it be another case of Down losing these young hopefuls in the future or, will they be able to carry them through to senior football? The past would suggest the latter!
Quote from: gaa_phil on May 05, 2009, 04:59:54 PM
Did anyone see the Captain of the cork side giving the fingers to someone in the crowd yesterday when he was about to be presented with the cup? It was the funniest thing I ever saw happening at an all-ireland final...awh the joys of sky plus :D ;D Exciting second half which Down largely dominated but it was the first half performance of Cork which saw them through to glory undoubtedly! Down never seem to have luck when it comes to the all-ireland final of the u-21's...they were beaten by a couple of points by Galway round the turn of the millenium...extra points go to those who remember the score that day!!?? 8) Will it be another case of Down losing these young hopefuls in the future or, will they be able to carry them through to senior football? The past would suggest the latter!
5-04 to 4-05 or something that day?
Nope thats wrong cuz I think both Meehan and Armstrong got hat tricks that day, off my two mates and they havent been the same since!
It was Galway 6-5 Down 4-6. A hat trick each alright.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 05, 2009, 05:24:24 PM
It was Galway 6-5 Down 4-6. A hat trick each alright.
Was some match alright...
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 05, 2009, 05:24:24 PM
It was Galway 6-5 Down 4-6. A hat trick each alright.
was it not more symmetrical than that ;) Galway 6-4 Down 4-6
A cruel way to lose, a bit of naiviety in defence, should have conceded foul and give them a point at that stage. Fair play to Cork, good value for their win. Two excellent competitive teams, a credit too both their counties. Hopefully the Down lads will have better days to look forward too.
think western exile gets the points here.
6-4 to 4-6 if i remember correctly
Quote from: downman on May 05, 2009, 07:55:10 PM
think western exile gets the points here.
6-4 to 4-6 if i remember correctly
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/4517749.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/4517749.stm)
For a Tipperary person watching that game it was like a re-run of a horror movie. Tipp lead Cork by 2 points with over a minute of injury time played and Cork scored a goal to win by a point. I never felt as bad after a game as I did after that Munster Final and I know how the Down players and supporters feel as we all felt the same in Tipperary a few weeks ago. Who ever said that lightening never strikes twice. Take nothing from Cork who fought to the bitter end in both games, but I reckon that they must have used up about 10 years' luck to win this title. They hammered Kerry in the 1st Round in Munster then should have been beaten by Tipp, Dublin and Down. This football that we all follow is a crazy game at times. Anyway best wishes to Down in the Ulster Championship. Tipp had 2 very enjoyable games with Down in the League this year and it would be great if we were to meet again at some stage in this year's Championship.
To be fair they were a right bit better than dublin and shouldn't have been beaten in that game at all.
However Tipp obviously must have a good team too. I thought seeing Connacht Mayo would be the best team in it but funny how games at this age pans out.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 05, 2009, 11:22:04 PM
To be fair they were a right bit better than dublin and shouldn't have been beaten in that game at all.
However Tipp obviously must have a good team too. I thought seeing Connacht Mayo would be the best team in it but funny how games at this age pans out.
I respectfully disagree.
Dublins wayward kicking is the only reason Cork made the final.
Quote from: noeldebrun on May 05, 2009, 08:22:20 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 05, 2009, 08:06:10 PM
Quote from: downman on May 05, 2009, 07:55:10 PM
think western exile gets the points here.
6-4 to 4-6 if i remember correctly
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/4517749.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/4517749.stm)
I was wondering what you were on about there with that u12 reamrk! the ni hit that llink! :D
i thought i noticed the skipper give the fingers to someone alright!
By the way, What ever happened to Darragh Neeson does anyone know???
its bad that down got beat by Galway's Under 12's
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 05, 2009, 11:22:04 PM
To be fair they were a right bit better than dublin and shouldn't have been beaten in that game at all.
However Tipp obviously must have a good team too. I thought seeing Connacht Mayo would be the best team in it but funny how games at this age pans out.
Them hoors also got an injury time goal to force extra time when they played us >:( :'( .
Hopefully Ros/Tipp/Down will have learned from their sad experiences
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on May 06, 2009, 10:57:28 AM
Quote from: noeldebrun on May 05, 2009, 08:22:20 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 05, 2009, 08:06:10 PM
Quote from: downman on May 05, 2009, 07:55:10 PM
think western exile gets the points here.
6-4 to 4-6 if i remember correctly
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/4517749.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/4517749.stm)
I was wondering what you were on about there with that u12 reamrk! the ni hit that llink! :D
i thought i noticed the skipper give the fingers to someone alright!
By the way, What ever happened to Darragh Neeson does anyone know???
its bad that down got beat by Galway's Under 12's
Darach is still playing for the Ford. He broke his arm a couple of seasons ago and was out for a year, he played all of last year and had a great season. Since Pete McGrath has come in he has only really got a run out when 1 of Pete's 1st choice defenders has been either missing or injured which is a shame because he is still a good player.
Quote from: The Corporal on May 06, 2009, 02:56:17 PM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on May 06, 2009, 10:57:28 AM
Quote from: noeldebrun on May 05, 2009, 08:22:20 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 05, 2009, 08:06:10 PM
Quote from: downman on May 05, 2009, 07:55:10 PM
think western exile gets the points here.
6-4 to 4-6 if i remember correctly
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/4517749.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/4517749.stm)
I was wondering what you were on about there with that u12 reamrk! the ni hit that llink! :D
i thought i noticed the skipper give the fingers to someone alright!
By the way, What ever happened to Darragh Neeson does anyone know???
its bad that down got beat by Galway's Under 12's
Darach is still playing for the Ford. He broke his arm a couple of seasons ago and was out for a year, he played all of last year and had a great season. Since Pete McGrath has come in he has only really got a run out when 1 of Pete's 1st choice defenders has been either missing or injured which is a shame because he is still a good player.
ah! i remember him when he was playing for u21s, was he captain one year aswel?? he was a great player then and just hadnt seen him again in any games we have played agaisnt the ford since then! thought he could have been away travelling or something!
Quote from: Rossfan on May 06, 2009, 11:10:59 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 05, 2009, 11:22:04 PM
To be fair they were a right bit better than dublin and shouldn't have been beaten in that game at all.
However Tipp obviously must have a good team too. I thought seeing Connacht Mayo would be the best team in it but funny how games at this age pans out.
Them hoors also got an injury time goal to force extra time when they played us >:( :'( .
Hopefully Ros/Tipp/Down will have learned from their sad experiences
And us :'(
Seems to have been some amount of last minute goals in this year's championship alright.
Saw this on hoganstand :-
"New GAA president Christy Cooney has claimed Under 21 level is the 'purest' grade in the game today.
Speaking after Monday's thrilling All-Ireland football decider between Cork and Down at Portloaise, Cooney said: "I'm an avid supporter of the Under 21 game.
"I actually think it's the purest grade that we have. This year's (football) final was outstanding and maybe now people will understand why the grade is so important to us."
The comments cross over a previous proposed plan by a player burn-out task force to scrap both the Under 21 and minor levels of the game in favour of an Under 19 grade. "
I know scheduling this competition has always proved difficult but isnt it a pity it's stuck in on the calendar as a get it over quick competition with resulting small crowds .
Fair play to Down after suffering a heartbreaking defeat to Cork in the AI final on Monday. They took their defeat like gentleman and sportssmen, unlike the overpaid, toy throwing so called professionals around Stamford Bridge tonight.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 06, 2009, 06:36:16 PM
Saw this on hoganstand :-
"New GAA president Christy Cooney has claimed Under 21 level is the 'purest' grade in the game today.
Speaking after Monday's thrilling All-Ireland football decider between Cork and Down at Portloaise, Cooney said: "I'm an avid supporter of the Under 21 game.
"I actually think it's the purest grade that we have. This year's (football) final was outstanding and maybe now people will understand why the grade is so important to us."
The comments cross over a previous proposed plan by a player burn-out task force to scrap both the Under 21 and minor levels of the game in favour of an Under 19 grade. "
I know scheduling this competition has always proved difficult but isnt it a pity it's stuck in on the calendar as a get it over quick competition with resulting small crowds .
I for one love the under 21 grade, think it produces ome of the best fotball about and is a great competition that is truly valued by the players...
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on May 06, 2009, 10:41:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 06, 2009, 06:36:16 PM
Saw this on hoganstand :-
"New GAA president Christy Cooney has claimed Under 21 level is the 'purest' grade in the game today.
Speaking after Monday's thrilling All-Ireland football decider between Cork and Down at Portloaise, Cooney said: "I'm an avid supporter of the Under 21 game.
"I actually think it's the purest grade that we have. This year's (football) final was outstanding and maybe now people will understand why the grade is so important to us."
The comments cross over a previous proposed plan by a player burn-out task force to scrap both the Under 21 and minor levels of the game in favour of an Under 19 grade. "
I know scheduling this competition has always proved difficult but isnt it a pity it's stuck in on the calendar as a get it over quick competition with resulting small crowds .
I for one love the under 21 grade, think it produces ome of the best fotball about and is a great competition that is truly valued by the players...
+1
Alot cleaner football than senior level, easier for the players to show off their talents results in a better game for the spectator
U-21 can be such a lottery, Armagh also lost by an injury-time goal to Down in the Ulster semi.
Tyrone could've, would've and should've v Down.
Onlooker's post was wonderful from the last minute goal perspective. It's a heartbreaking thing.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on May 06, 2009, 11:19:56 PM
U-21 can be such a lottery, Armagh also lost by an injury-time goal to Down in the Ulster semi.
Tyrone could've, would've and should've v Down.
Onlooker's post was wonderful from the last minute goal perspective. It's a heartbreaking thing.
Why just U21??
I thought all football was played til the final whistle no?
Plus just to refute your claim even further it was the Ulster final, not semi.
Quote from: orangeman on May 06, 2009, 10:15:19 PM
Fair play to Down after suffering a heartbreaking defeat to Cork in the AI final on Monday. They took their defeat like gentleman and sportssmen, unlike the overpaid, toy throwing so called professionals around Stamford Bridge tonight.
Worth noting that when Cork scored that late goal they had 16 players on the field. On the kick out they took off 24 who had entered the play without the replaced player coming off - they the quickly put him on again .
Not a word of protest from Down. Now that is sportsmanship.
Was totally gutted on Monday, really thought we had done enough to win a game that we were second best in for most parts. Cork people were beginning to leave just before they got the goal. Down should have hauled every Cork man to the ground in the last few minutes, even if it meant taking a red card for the team. Didn't realise Cork had 16 players on the field at the time of the goal. But they are the breaks, we rode our luck all the way through Ulster. I also thought the ref didn't do us any favours, it seemed like he was playing for Cork in the last few minutes.
Lot of talent in that team, hope they deliver at senior level, maybe we should send them to Enniskillen.
The down u21 defence was possibly the worst defence i've seen get as far as an all ireland final in recent times. their midfield and forward line were very good though.
Quote from: The GAA on May 07, 2009, 10:22:00 AM
The down u21 defence was possibly the worst defence i've seen get as far as an all ireland final in recent times. their midfield and forward line were very good though.
Good Armagh man getting a sly dig in there!
Was talking to a fella in work that did an £8 accum and was waiting on Down U-21's for about £350 :'(
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on May 07, 2009, 11:26:37 AM
Quote from: The GAA on May 07, 2009, 10:22:00 AM
The down u21 defence was possibly the worst defence i've seen get as far as an all ireland final in recent times. their midfield and forward line were very good though.
Good Armagh man getting a sly dig in there!
Just my opinion ONL. how that murney chap is playing senior footbal i do not know.
Their full backline was dodgy though - a few of us said that after the Ulster final. They looked too open from what i saw of them against Armagh. As others have said, from midfield onwards they were very impressive.
Quote from: The GAA on May 07, 2009, 11:39:44 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on May 07, 2009, 11:26:37 AM
Quote from: The GAA on May 07, 2009, 10:22:00 AM
The down u21 defence was possibly the worst defence i've seen get as far as an all ireland final in recent times. their midfield and forward line were very good though.
Good Armagh man getting a sly dig in there!
Just my opinion ONL. how that murney chap is playing senior footbal i do not know.
Don't think its fair to criticise Colm Murney. Yes he was marking a good player, but there was absolutley no pressure on the ball going in in the first half. Compare this to the second half when he faired much better. He is a good strong defender, who I am sure will get plenty of action for the seniors during the year.
Quote from: Dangerous Person on May 09, 2009, 05:58:30 PM
Quote from: The GAA on May 07, 2009, 11:39:44 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on May 07, 2009, 11:26:37 AM
Quote from: The GAA on May 07, 2009, 10:22:00 AM
The down u21 defence was possibly the worst defence i've seen get as far as an all ireland final in recent times. their midfield and forward line were very good though.
Good Armagh man getting a sly dig in there!
Just my opinion ONL. how that murney chap is playing senior footbal i do not know.
Don't think its fair to criticise Colm Murney. Yes he was marking a good player, but there was absolutley no pressure on the ball going in in the first half. Compare this to the second half when he faired much better. He is a good strong defender, who I am sure will get plenty of action for the seniors during the year.
Well said Dangerous Person.. Murney is obviously being made a scapegoat there.. Its up to the lads out the feild too, to stop the quality ball going in, the man must be put under pressure..
;)
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