anyone know of any reputable sites where you can buy notre dame merchandise? i see there are a good few sites but would prefer using one if i knew someone had used it before. also need one that posts to the emerald isle.
I got their football jersey on E-bay. Their official site is quite expensive. I know a few lads bought from here:
http://www.footballfanatics.com//COLLEGE_Notre_Dame_Fighting_Irish/browse/couponid/Free3Day
but i think you get charged alot on importing it.
cheers juice. how long does it take for the stuff to arrive?
straight off the notre dame website would be the best bet.
I've ordered stuff from here before
http://www.eastbay.com/catalog/itemsummary/supercat--fangear/league--NCAA/team--Notre%2520Dame
Glad your all stocking up on your Fighting Irish merchandise because:
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Navy vs Notre Dame to play in Ireland
The legendary Navy - Notre Dame football series got a 10-year extension this week and - as part of the new deal - the teams agreed to face off in Dublin, Ireland in 2012. Navy & Notre Dame last played in Dublin in 1996, a game the Irish won 54-27. The 2012 Dublin game will be a "home" game for Navy.
Any ideas how much these sites charge for shipping to the UK ? i know it would only be a rough estimate.
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Quote from: thejuice on November 19, 2008, 03:18:44 PM
Glad your all stocking up on your Fighting Irish merchandise because:
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Navy vs Notre Dame to play in Ireland
The legendary Navy - Notre Dame football series got a 10-year extension this week and - as part of the new deal - the teams agreed to face off in Dublin, Ireland in 2012. Navy & Notre Dame last played in Dublin in 1996, a game the Irish won 54-27. The 2012 Dublin game will be a "home" game for Navy.
Will there be objections from the usual begrudgers if this is held in Croke Park ?
there's no if about it.
It will be in Croke Park - like the last time
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 19, 2008, 05:07:53 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 19, 2008, 03:18:44 PM
Glad your all stocking up on your Fighting Irish merchandise because:
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Navy vs Notre Dame to play in Ireland
The legendary Navy - Notre Dame football series got a 10-year extension this week and - as part of the new deal - the teams agreed to face off in Dublin, Ireland in 2012. Navy & Notre Dame last played in Dublin in 1996, a game the Irish won 54-27. The 2012 Dublin game will be a "home" game for Navy.
Will there be objections from the usual begrudgers if this is held in Croke Park ?
Sure begob the Nortre Dame Fighting Irish represent everything that is good and pure about Irish culture. We'd never know what Irish emigrants to US looked like back in the 19th century only for their simian faced mascot.
QuoteSure begob the Nortre Dame Fighting Irish represent everything that is good and pure about Irish culture. We'd never know what Irish emigrants to US looked like back in the 19th century only for their simian faced mascot.
Do you even know why they are called the Fighting Irish - it has nothing to do with Irish culture
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 19, 2008, 05:22:32 PM
QuoteSure begob the Nortre Dame Fighting Irish represent everything that is good and pure about Irish culture. We'd never know what Irish emigrants to US looked like back in the 19th century only for their simian faced mascot.
Do you even know why they are called the Fighting Irish - it has nothing to do with Irish culture
I know it has nothing to do with Irish culture. In fact, Nortre Dame is zero percent Irish. However they call themselves the Fighting Irish and use a derogatory symbol that is like something out of Punch Magazine.
this is derogatory????????????
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/dd51/Notre20Dame20Fightin20Irish.jpg)
Do you think the same about the Lucky Charms fella?
If they call themselves "The Irish", and use that as a representation of what Irish means, then yes it is derogatory. Those were the types of symbols used by Punch magazine in the 19th century to depict Irish emigrants as an ignorant Simian race.
From Notre Dame university
http://www.nd.edu/~wcawley/corson/whyfightingirish.htm (http://www.nd.edu/~wcawley/corson/whyfightingirish.htm)
Why the "Fighting Irish"?
Many people wonder (or worry) about Notre Dame and that word, Irish. To us, it doesn't mean race exclusively; nor is it just another nickname. The fact is, it keeps alive the memory of a long, uphill fight for recognition against a spirit that was not always generous, nor even fair-minded. The Irish, as known at Notre Dame, has an authentic history and a meaning deeper even than race.
Notre Dame began athletic relations chiefly with local colleges founded by various denominations. Press reports would refer to the schools as the "Baptists" or the "Methodists," and the like. For Notre Dame it was the "Catholics," or the "Irish." But the players were never all of Irish ancestry; nor were they all Catholics.
The usage was not original, but a continuing custom from earlier Colonial times. The bulk of the first Catholic immigrants were Irish -- so that Catholics and Irish were identical in the public mind. It is sad to recall now, but few of the original states were without laws against them. Advertisements for 'help wanted' commonly carried the restriction: "No Catholics. No Irish." The Puritans were the first to cry: "Stop the Irish!"
When the religious origin of other colleges lost its significance, the emphasis shifted to conventional names, and to their school colors. But history is recorded remembrance in our blessed heritage here at Notre Dame. Fighting Irish! It's more than a name; more than a people. It is the Faith!
In narrow, little New England, it began as a slur -- a term of opprobrium. But we took it up and made of it a badge of honor -- a symbol of fidelity and courage to everyone who suffers from discrimination; to everyone who has an uphill fight for the elemental decencies, and the basic Christian principles woven into the texture of our nation. Preserving this tradition, and this meaning of Irish at Notre Dame does honor to everyone of us. It explains why Lewinski belongs here; why Alessandrini is the Irish leader; why Schmaltz belongs here; why Bertrand, and Moreau, Van Dyke, and Larson feel at home here as much as do Leahy and O'Brien.
Turlough - how is that derogatory?
Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on November 19, 2008, 06:13:40 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 19, 2008, 05:22:32 PM
QuoteSure begob the Nortre Dame Fighting Irish represent everything that is good and pure about Irish culture. We'd never know what Irish emigrants to US looked like back in the 19th century only for their simian faced mascot.
Do you even know why they are called the Fighting Irish - it has nothing to do with Irish culture
I know it has nothing to do with Irish culture. In fact, Nortre Dame is zero percent Irish. However they call themselves the Fighting Irish and use a derogatory symbol that is like something out of Punch Magazine.
they play with pride and passion and to the very end - thats what its meant to symbolise. alot of irish americans rightly take great pride in them
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 19, 2008, 06:17:52 PM
this is derogatory????????????
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/dd51/Notre20Dame20Fightin20Irish.jpg)
Do you think the same about the Lucky Charms fella?
I have nearly the same tatoo on my arm...
Classy or what?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 19, 2008, 05:07:53 PM
Will there be objections from the usual begrudgers if this is held in Croke Park ?
Yes, Rule 42 will be re-instated by that time. Anyway, American Football wasn't part of the relaxing of Rule 42 to begin with. Keep them out and come 2010 keep Rugby and Soccer out.
Keep these Yankee Racist fcukers out of our National Stadium and let them take their boring stupid Chess game to Lansdowne Road where such crap belongs.
Happy now Laoislad ? ;)
Quote from: ziggysego on November 19, 2008, 08:03:03 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 19, 2008, 05:07:53 PM
Will there be objections from the usual begrudgers if this is held in Croke Park ?
Yes, Rule 42 will be re-instated by that time. Anyway, American Football wasn't part of the relaxing of Rule 42 to begin with. Keep them out and come 2010 keep Rugby and Soccer out.
Why did they let them play there in 1996 then?
DOnt really give 2 fucks if its in Lansdowne or Croker, i'll be happy to go either way and cheer on the Irish!
Quote from: ziggysego on November 19, 2008, 08:03:03 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 19, 2008, 05:07:53 PM
Will there be objections from the usual begrudgers if this is held in Croke Park ?
Yes, Rule 42 will be re-instated by that time. Anyway, American Football wasn't part of the relaxing of Rule 42 to begin with. Keep them out and come 2010 keep Rugby and Soccer out.
Why?
Quote from: Puckoon on November 19, 2008, 09:00:06 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on November 19, 2008, 08:03:03 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 19, 2008, 05:07:53 PM
Will there be objections from the usual begrudgers if this is held in Croke Park ?
Yes, Rule 42 will be re-instated by that time. Anyway, American Football wasn't part of the relaxing of Rule 42 to begin with. Keep them out and come 2010 keep Rugby and Soccer out.
Why?
He's from greencastle...its the sort of thing they have to say up there to make them sound like hardline provos...right Ziggy ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on November 19, 2008, 08:17:07 PM
Keep these Yankee Racist fcukers out of our National Stadium and let them take their boring stupid Chess game to Lansdowne Road where such crap belongs.
Happy now Laoislad ? ;)
I'm always happy
Quote from: ziggysego on November 19, 2008, 08:03:03 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 19, 2008, 05:07:53 PM
Will there be objections from the usual begrudgers if this is held in Croke Park ?
Yes, Rule 42 will be re-instated by that time. Anyway, American Football wasn't part of the relaxing of Rule 42 to begin with. Keep them out and come 2010 keep Rugby and Soccer out.
Why so bitter Ziggy? And American Football was played in Croke Park a long time before soccer and rugby was
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 19, 2008, 10:02:07 PM
[I'm always happy
Even after your Soccer crowd got bet tonight ? :P
Quote from: Rossfan on November 19, 2008, 10:41:24 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 19, 2008, 10:02:07 PM
[I'm always happy
Even after your Soccer crowd got bet tonight ? :P
Liverpool weren't playing tonight,But OUR country was so I think you should rephrase that to our soccer crowd got beat tonight :)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 19, 2008, 08:20:46 PM
Why did they let them play there in 1996 then?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 19, 2008, 10:03:27 PM
Why so bitter Ziggy? And American Football was played in Croke Park a long time before soccer and rugby was
I wasn't too bad about 1996 either.
Quote from: new devil on November 19, 2008, 09:02:50 PM
He's from greencastle...its the sort of thing they have to say up there to make them sound like hardline provos...right Ziggy ;)
It's the way we're bred ;)
I was there in 1996, and was the other game in Lansdowne Road, between Pitt and Rutgers? I also seem to remember watching a game from Croker when I was in Arizona. I think it was the Bears against the Steelers or something in pre-season. Would have been 97 or 98 I'd say.
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on November 19, 2008, 07:44:19 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 19, 2008, 06:17:52 PM
this is derogatory????????????
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/dd51/Notre20Dame20Fightin20Irish.jpg)
Do you think the same about the Lucky Charms fella?
I have nearly the same tatoo on my arm...
Classy or what?
Have you got Achaidh Gaillian below it pat??
Yeah the Steelers Vs the Bears was in Croker in 1997. I wasnt at any of those games sadly.
Though I think because of the last Notre Dame game a Meath game had to be brought forward 1 day which meant that Graham Geraghty wouldnt be able to play as he was suspended and it would have been up if it had been played as scheduled. But I dont hold any grudges.
Thanks for the links lads.
has anyone here ever been to a notre dame game? sounds like great craic, hard to get tickets for though.
I was two Notre Dame games, one in Croker and 1 in Sun Devil Stadium Arizona against ASU. It was amazing in Arizona how many fans were for Notre Dame, the equivalent of Dallas Cowboys or New York Yankees.
I was never at a game in South Bend, but I was up in Chicago playing football and took a spin out to South Bend. Lovely Campus, and I saw Touchdown Jesus, the Golden Dome and all that craic. The College Football Hall of Fame was there as well. Well worth a visit.
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 20, 2008, 09:18:59 AM
I was there in 1996, and was the other game in Lansdowne Road, between Pitt and Rutgers? I also seem to remember watching a game from Croker when I was in Arizona. I think it was the Bears against the Steelers or something in pre-season. Would have been 97 or 98 I'd say.
I was at the game in Lansdowne (East Stand) and was in bed for a week with the 'flu after it. The smog around that time in Dublin was cat. Was that game not a good bit before 1996?
Ah yes, American football in Croke Park. The favourite straw to grasp for the idiots of the open up brigade.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 21, 2008, 12:21:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 20, 2008, 09:18:59 AM
I was there in 1996, and was the other game in Lansdowne Road, between Pitt and Rutgers? I also seem to remember watching a game from Croker when I was in Arizona. I think it was the Bears against the Steelers or something in pre-season. Would have been 97 or 98 I'd say.
I was at the game in Lansdowne (East Stand) and was in bed for a week with the 'flu after it. The smog around that time in Dublin was cat. Was that game not a good bit before 1996?
Ah yes, American football in Croke Park. The favourite straw to grasp for the idiots of the open up brigade.
Rather than call everyone who has a different view than you idiots,which in my opinon is not only childish but comes across as being very bitter,can you explain why you have no problem with a bunch of Americans playing a foreign sport in Croke Park but do have a problem with your own country men playing foreign sports in Croke Park.
I am of course assuming you have no problem with American Football as you were at the game
I'm assuming it's to do with the whole competition between sports argument, which we are not going to get back into please God. For what it's worth, I understand completely.
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on November 21, 2008, 12:39:00 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 21, 2008, 12:21:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 20, 2008, 09:18:59 AM
I was there in 1996, and was the other game in Lansdowne Road, between Pitt and Rutgers? I also seem to remember watching a game from Croker when I was in Arizona. I think it was the Bears against the Steelers or something in pre-season. Would have been 97 or 98 I'd say.
I was at the game in Lansdowne (East Stand) and was in bed for a week with the 'flu after it. The smog around that time in Dublin was cat. Was that game not a good bit before 1996?
Ah yes, American football in Croke Park. The favourite straw to grasp for the idiots of the open up brigade.
Rather than call everyone who has a different view than you idiots,which in my opinon is not only childish but comes across as being very bitter,can you explain why you have no problem with a bunch of Americans playing a foreign sport in Croke Park but do have a problem with your own country men playing foreign sports in Croke Park.
I am of course assuming you have no problem with American Football as you were at the game
I mean the idiot subsection of the open up brigade in case it wasn't clear.
I'm not getting into the argument again but I will say I'd view and American football game as similar to a concert - not as a competing sport.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 21, 2008, 12:54:16 PM
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on November 21, 2008, 12:39:00 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 21, 2008, 12:21:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 20, 2008, 09:18:59 AM
I was there in 1996, and was the other game in Lansdowne Road, between Pitt and Rutgers? I also seem to remember watching a game from Croker when I was in Arizona. I think it was the Bears against the Steelers or something in pre-season. Would have been 97 or 98 I'd say.
I was at the game in Lansdowne (East Stand) and was in bed for a week with the 'flu after it. The smog around that time in Dublin was cat. Was that game not a good bit before 1996?
Ah yes, American football in Croke Park. The favourite straw to grasp for the idiots of the open up brigade.
Rather than call everyone who has a different view than you idiots,which in my opinion is not only childish but comes across as being very bitter,can you explain why you have no problem with a bunch of Americans playing a foreign sport in Croke Park but do have a problem with your own country men playing foreign sports in Croke Park.
I am of course assuming you have no problem with American Football as you were at the game
I mean the idiot subsection of the open up brigade in case it wasn't clear.
I'm not getting into the argument again but I will say I'd view and American football game as similar to a concert - not as a competing sport.
Don't want to get into anything either as I have no love for soccer or rugby though I did think it was the right thing to let them into Croke Park,but your above argument is flawed and a bit hypocritical if you ask me but your entitled to your opinion the same as everyone else
I could never see how letting soccer or rugby into Croke Park was going to take away from youngsters playing Gaa,the Gaa world as far as I know hasn't collapsed since it opened up to rugby or soccer I don't see any change in terms of numbers playing or going to matches,so it looks to me that all the people in the NO camp were wrong in their concerns.
If a younglad wants to play Gaa he will play it ,If he wants to play soccer or rugby he will,Having these games in Croke Park won't or haven't made a slightest bit of difference imho,In fact it has probably helped the Gaa attract more youglads with the revenue the have earned from opening up the stadium allowing them to invest more in the clubs.
That is all....
QuoteIn fact it has probably helped the Gaa attract more youglads with the revenue the have earned from opening up the stadium allowing them to invest more in the clubs.
Oh right. And the FAI and IRFU just put their extra money in the bank and didn't use it to do the same. Thanks for ironing out my flawed logic.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 21, 2008, 01:44:13 PM
QuoteIn fact it has probably helped the Gaa attract more youglads with the revenue the have earned from opening up the stadium allowing them to invest more in the clubs.
Oh right. And the FAI and IRFU just put their extra money in the bank and didn't use it to do the same. Thanks for ironing out my flawed logic.
I thought we weren't getting into this ???
And eh no not really....If they all do it sure it will just cancel each other out..
I really think you need to start looking at the facts.Croke Park has been opened to other sports for almost two years now, as far as i can see in my county and village in Waterford I have seen no adverse affects on the Gaa because of soccer and rugby being in Croke Park..
I think its time to move on magpie and get over this chip you have
Also I'm surprised by a man who so often posts on a Manchester United Thread and rugby threads among others to be so against soccer and rugby being played in Croke Park...I find that strange to be honest but I'm sure there is a reasonable explanation.
Anyways I don't post here often I prefer to read the threads because it seems anyone with a differing opinion to someone else is either a idiot or is talking bullshit there doesn't seem to be any place for agreeing to dis agree or normal debate/chat that you have with your mates in the pub,i have no desire in getting dragged down to a slagging match so I will just leave you to your own opinions
Look - I've had this discussion 100's of times so we'll park it for now. It would take too long to rehash where I'm coming from again and most people know anyway.
QuoteAnyways I don't post here often I prefer to read the threads because it seems anyone with a differing opinion to someone else is either a idiot or is talking bullshit there doesn't seem to be any place for agreeing to dis agree or normal debate/chat that you have with your mates in the pub,i have no desire in getting dragged down to a slagging match so I will just leave you to your own opinions
Perhaps you should take a leaf from your own book. I didn't abuse you so there's no need for telling me that my logic is flawed, I'm hypocritical or that I need to move on or get rid of the chip from my shoulder.
God, why am I responding to this thread!
Ok here goes:
To be perfectly honest I've just glanced at the last page of this thread and from what I can see (perhaps mistakenly) essentially what Seanie is contending is that the opening up of Croke Park has generated such vast sums of revenue for the IRFU and the FAI so as to enable those organisations to put in place systems and infrastructures to maximise the number of young people that will commit to playing those sports at the expense of playing GAA. I knew this is what you were alluding to yesterday Seanie on the "Ireland V Poland" thread but I didn't want to get into a debate.
First of all the revenue generated from approximately 4 to 6 games per year for each code is just about enough for them to get Lansdowne redeveloped and will have no impact on the GAA. Its just nonsense to suggest otherwise.
We (Seanie and I) have had jousts before within the confines of this forum on the issue of soccer versus GAA and the impact the League of Ireland has on participation in the GAA. Seanie has argued that the likes of Sligo Rovers are a direct threat to Sligo GAA as both are competing for a small pool of players. I've always argued that those players that choose Soccer over Gaelic in Ireland would choose to do so even if Sligo were winning All-Irelands on a regular basis. The specious argument that is often employed to the contrary is that the reason the likes of Conor O'Grady play soccer is that they get paid a weekly wage to play for the club: Yes it is plausible to assume that playing football within a professional code would be more lucrative than playing an amateur sport but the reality of these circumstances counter this viewpoint. Lets not pretend that intercounty GAA players dont do reasonably well out of playing for their county over a number of years. A club like Sligo Rovers would not be able to remunerate players in excess or in some cases to the extent that county boards do. When all benefits are factored in I would say that intercounty players are in fact better off than their soccer counterparts. So from my perspective any contention that the reason players choose Soccer over Gaelic because of the potential for monetary gain alone is completely baseless. That said, a number of factors may combine to drive players to the other sport. One example of this is Michael McNamara. Its fairly widely known that he was just fed up of the county set up a number of years ago and chose to go back to playing with Rovers at a time when they were looking to be promoted to the premier division. However, once Brehony took over he was back in a flash.
There is one statistic or trend that it seems will never alter. As is evidenced around the country there are certain players from certain backgrounds that will inevitably lean towards soccer. Unfortunately within lower socio-economic groups located in large urban centres there is an acidic attitude towards the GAA. It is precisely because of the fact that the league of Ireland is supported and underpinned by supporters from those socio-economic groups that the league will never be able to sustain itself in a completely full time capacity. Investors and advertisers see no real benefit from getting involved with the league as the majority of its supporters have the lowest level of disposable income in the country. This has been indirectly admitted to by the FAI themselves. Thus there is not a strong enough domestic soccer product in place to impact on GAA participation. It should also be remembered that one of the primary reasons Rugby is so successful in Munster is because it is a working class game in the likes of Limerick.
Of course, there is one type of player that will choose soccer over Gaelic and he is the exceptionally talented young fella who can forge a career for himself over in the UK playing the game professionally. The glamour that is the English premiership has permeated all corners of the globe and has (with the help of Sky Sports) played a huge part in the rise in interest of soccer in this country. I think its phenomenal how popular the English league has become in the last 17-20 years (Jesus hadnt realised its around that long!). Even in counties such as Mayo there has been a strong rise in the number of junior soccer clubs. The town of Tullamore in a county with such a strong GAA tradition is on the verge of having a soccer club enter the "A" Division of the League of Ireland. Dont for one minute try to suggest to me that this has been down to the massive success of the FAI's marketing department - you wont hear fellas asking you are you going to watch Sligo Rovers v Galway United at 1 pm on a Saturday! No I am utterly convinced that this is down to the fact we are bombarded with premiership and champions league soccer for nigh on 7 days a week. I dont buy into any theories that the upturn in the Irish soccer teams fortunes has had anything to do with the rise in the participation in soccer. Lets face it, there hasn't been alot to shout about in that regard over the last ten years. I dont blame people for watching the premiership because its a damn fine product but I personally draw the line at buying merchandise for clubs from the UK.
Irrespective of all these arguments I think the insular attitude that elements within the GAA have towards competing with the other codes is misguided at best. There is plenty of things that need fixing within the organisation rather than worrying about Soccer and Rugby. Are we really an all-inclusive sport? Do we have efficient administrative structures in place? Are we over-bureaucratic? Are we open to learning from other codes and organisations so as to improve our games and also how we market and govern our organisation? Apart from the northern counties, are we doing all we can to maintain and develop the strong cultural aspect of the GAA?
I'm sick to the teeth and cringe with embarrassment of the gushing of our media at the wonder of Croke Park every time Rugby or Soccer is played there. Yes its a fine stadium but Jesus Christ it is so Irish to spend twenty years patting ourselves on the back about it. Has no one noticed the level of dilapidation of the Cusack Stand? Already we should be looking to put plans in place to build a new stadium in 10 to 15 years time.
We can never rest on our laurels. To be successful all we need to do is run our organisation as effectively as is possible. If we do that I guarantee we need not worry about other codes.
I agree with every sentence of that, baoithe and with your opinion on where we should be directing our energies.
(And about the cringe-inducing continual seeking of approval for the magnificence of Croke Park. And about the failure to notice that it needs a lot of improvement work, not to mention a complete change of attitude from its management towards its paying customers and GAA members. And about the fact that nobody seems to be planning for the future).
Well said baoithe,and i would agree with almost everything you said,hope your not referred to as a idiot now for having a opinion different to others
excellent post baoithe, now a word of bull in it. the day any organisation sits on its laurals its on a slippery slope.
Quote from: magickingdom on November 21, 2008, 08:54:26 PM
excellent post baoithe, now a word of bull in it. the day any organisation sits on its laurals its on a slippery slope.
Indeed, two words: Roman Empire.
there might even be an example closer to home ;)
Quote from: magickingdom on November 21, 2008, 09:28:34 PM
there might even be an example closer to home ;)
Call
that an empire!? ;)
and here was me just looking a wee bit of info on notre dame gear!
seriously though, some good points raised in the past few posts from seanie and boaithe. hopefully generate some meaningful discussion about what we can do to improve. probably deserves a thread of its own as id say not everyone looks over this side of the board.
baoithe
have you swallowed the official line hook and sinker or did you write the book .
sure the irfu are spending money on lansdowne road but even if they didnt have croke park they would still have to spend that money and how long would it take then to make it in the Magnificent Thomond PK © . meanwhile they are free to spend that money on forcing their way into schools where even the teachers don't want them. and as for limerick working class playing rugby bullshit it a jumped up middle class shopkeepers son and the like how many rugby pitches do you think abd in Moyross?
And as for the FAI they are not putting a penny of they own money in to lansdown road . they contribution is going to coe from selling seat they dont even own yet and never would if it were uo to them seles . after over 100 years the best soccerball has come up with is 90% of dalymount park which they are trying to flog and a rented tolka which they are also trying to sell without any one noticing.
Protecting your own interests is not insular merely good sense esp when your working with a government who willingly build free pitches for taxcheats in other code and is prepared to take all the risks on a new stadium untill the lads raise the money on by way of that pitch thus saving them millions in interest, and beside would yoy loan the FAI or any soccer head in ireland €400 let alone €400 million