Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?

[Franko]

The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. It's not even approved yet

Modern stock market as we know it......

I'm assuming it's formality for approval since we have various people saying publicly saying they would have no problem injecting their relatives with it etc

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-professor-jonathan-van-tam-uses-mum-test-to-reassure-britons-over-vaccine-safety-12129815

You obviously haven't read or understood this article.

He said he would have no problem with this subject to it being approved.

[Franko]

The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. It's not even approved yet

A bit early for the EU to be ordering 300m doses so?

Nah, not really.

[GetOverTheBar]

The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. It's not even approved yet

Modern stock market as we know it......

I'm assuming it's formality for approval since we have various people saying publicly saying they would have no problem injecting their relatives with it etc

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-professor-jonathan-van-tam-uses-mum-test-to-reassure-britons-over-vaccine-safety-12129815

You obviously haven't read or understood this article.

He said he would have no problem with this subject to it being approved.

Phrases in the article include -

"I would be first in line if that's what people want but I don't want to go to the front of the queue. I will take my place like everybody else,"

"But I would also do anything I can to encourage as many people as possible to have the vaccine because I think it is really important that everybody does have the vaccine."

"If I could, rightly and morally, be at the very front of the queue then I would do so. Because I absolutely trust the judgement of the MHRA on safety and efficacy"

Not exactly casting doubt on approval.

[Franko]

The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. It's not even approved yet

Modern stock market as we know it......

I'm assuming it's formality for approval since we have various people saying publicly saying they would have no problem injecting their relatives with it etc

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-professor-jonathan-van-tam-uses-mum-test-to-reassure-britons-over-vaccine-safety-12129815

You obviously haven't read or understood this article.

He said he would have no problem with this subject to it being approved.

Phrases in the article include -

"I would be first in line if that's what people want but I don't want to go to the front of the queue. I will take my place like everybody else,"

"But I would also do anything I can to encourage as many people as possible to have the vaccine because I think it is really important that everybody does have the vaccine."

"If I could, rightly and morally, be at the very front of the queue then I would do so. Because I absolutely trust the judgement of the MHRA on safety and efficacy"

Not exactly casting doubt on approval.

Lol.  You do realise that it's the MHRA who approve it?

[LCohen]

The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. It's not even approved yet

A bit early for the EU to be ordering 300m doses so?

Too early to say. Lots of countries/blocs have preordered lots of different vaccines. They want to be at the front of the queue for the ones they can use. I guess you knew that?

Preordered doesn't mean pre-paid for and doesn't even mean must be paid unconditionally be paid for

[LCohen]

The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. It's not even approved yet

Modern stock market as we know it......

I'm assuming it's formality for approval since we have various people saying publicly saying they would have no problem injecting their relatives with it etc

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-professor-jonathan-van-tam-uses-mum-test-to-reassure-britons-over-vaccine-safety-12129815

Unaware of anyone saying they will use the vaccine absolutely even if it doesn't get the required approvals.

Also what part of the stock market are pointing to as not being around in the 19th century?

[LCohen]

The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. It's not even approved yet

Modern stock market as we know it......

I'm assuming it's formality for approval since we have various people saying publicly saying they would have no problem injecting their relatives with it etc

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-professor-jonathan-van-tam-uses-mum-test-to-reassure-britons-over-vaccine-safety-12129815

You obviously haven't read or understood this article.

He said he would have no problem with this subject to it being approved.

Phrases in the article include -

"I would be first in line if that's what people want but I don't want to go to the front of the queue. I will take my place like everybody else,"

"But I would also do anything I can to encourage as many people as possible to have the vaccine because I think it is really important that everybody does have the vaccine."

"If I could, rightly and morally, be at the very front of the queue then I would do so. Because I absolutely trust the judgement of the MHRA on safety and efficacy"

Not exactly casting doubt on approval.

Not commenting on approval

Do you have grounds to suggest the deputy chief medical officer is suggesting we use unapproved vaccines?

[GetOverTheBar]

The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. It's not even approved yet

Modern stock market as we know it......

I'm assuming it's formality for approval since we have various people saying publicly saying they would have no problem injecting their relatives with it etc

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-professor-jonathan-van-tam-uses-mum-test-to-reassure-britons-over-vaccine-safety-12129815

You obviously haven't read or understood this article.

He said he would have no problem with this subject to it being approved.

Phrases in the article include -

"I would be first in line if that's what people want but I don't want to go to the front of the queue. I will take my place like everybody else,"

"But I would also do anything I can to encourage as many people as possible to have the vaccine because I think it is really important that everybody does have the vaccine."

"If I could, rightly and morally, be at the very front of the queue then I would do so. Because I absolutely trust the judgement of the MHRA on safety and efficacy"

Not exactly casting doubt on approval.

Not commenting on approval

Do you have grounds to suggest the deputy chief medical officer is suggesting we use unapproved vaccines?

I hate this multi quoting...it just clogs up space over forms of words.

I've made no such suggestion about vaccines or D.C Medical Officers. I simply quoted a few phrases in an article that seems to suggest all looks good (in my opinion). No nonsense about unapproved vaccines or the use of them.

My point initially was regarding the stock price boom the announcement has created (not only in the Pharma area) and the fact that it may have been the major driver (again, in my opinon) on why someone would want to create the first "approved" vaccine. Yes I understand it needs to be approved, I did say that it seems like that will be the case and that was entirely my own thoughts considering the sounds that seems to be coming out regarding it from a few sources (again, another opinion).

Your more than welcome to disagree with the opinions but there is no suggestion on my part that D.C Medical officer, or anyone is suggesting to stick yourself with the vaccine now.

[Angelo]

The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. It's not even approved yet

A bit early for the EU to be ordering 300m doses so?

Too early to say. Lots of countries/blocs have preordered lots of different vaccines. They want to be at the front of the queue for the ones they can use. I guess you knew that?

Preordered doesn't mean pre-paid for and doesn't even mean must be paid unconditionally be paid for

You seem to have contradicted yourself.

[dublin7]

So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

What you left out there was this was done as he had arranged a deal with his broker months ago that he was to sell a percentage of his shares if the share price reached a certain price.

This is what happened this week. While the optics of it certainly aren't good his remaining shares are worth 9 times his annual salary and it's not like he sold his entire holding.   

The US stock exchange would be all over this if they suspected insider trading and you can do jail time for that in the US.

How does that change things?

You seem to have great faith in the ethics of the US stock exchange and billion dollar pharma.....

The CEO of Pfizer must be very well qualified and intelligent to even get appointed in the first place, but I doubt fortune telling or ability to tell the future is on his CV or a factor for him being appointed.

August 19th Mr. Borla signed a contract to sell a portion of his shares if they reached a certain price. He can't set the price of the shares on the stock market. That's set based on all manner of factors such as company performance, dividends, projections for example. He's been with the company in one role or another for the last 25 years, has an annual salary of $17m and this deal followed all rules and regulations for insider trading.

Every major pharmaceutical company in the world is working on a vaccine at the moment. There is no way back in August he could have known Pfizer would be the first to company to announce they have a potential vaccine.

He signed that contract three months ago. Why do you think they reached that price?

What exactly do you think pharmaceutical companies have been working on for the last 9 months or so? You don't need to be a genius to figure out they're all trying to find Covid-19 vaccines.

Mr. Borla couldn't make the shares reach a certain price but I imagine he quite reasonably believed that if the company could come up with a vaccine then the share price would increase.

It's likely there has been a lot of people investing in pharma companies over the last 9 months or so in that hope that company is first out with a medically approved vaccine so they would make a killing

[LCohen]

The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. It's not even approved yet

Modern stock market as we know it......

I'm assuming it's formality for approval since we have various people saying publicly saying they would have no problem injecting their relatives with it etc

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-professor-jonathan-van-tam-uses-mum-test-to-reassure-britons-over-vaccine-safety-12129815

You obviously haven't read or understood this article.

He said he would have no problem with this subject to it being approved.

Phrases in the article include -

"I would be first in line if that's what people want but I don't want to go to the front of the queue. I will take my place like everybody else,"

"But I would also do anything I can to encourage as many people as possible to have the vaccine because I think it is really important that everybody does have the vaccine."

"If I could, rightly and morally, be at the very front of the queue then I would do so. Because I absolutely trust the judgement of the MHRA on safety and efficacy"

Not exactly casting doubt on approval.

Not commenting on approval

Do you have grounds to suggest the deputy chief medical officer is suggesting we use unapproved vaccines?

I hate this multi quoting...it just clogs up space over forms of words.

I've made no such suggestion about vaccines or D.C Medical Officers. I simply quoted a few phrases in an article that seems to suggest all looks good (in my opinion). No nonsense about unapproved vaccines or the use of them.

My point initially was regarding the stock price boom the announcement has created (not only in the Pharma area) and the fact that it may have been the major driver (again, in my opinon) on why someone would want to create the first "approved" vaccine. Yes I understand it needs to be approved, I did say that it seems like that will be the case and that was entirely my own thoughts considering the sounds that seems to be coming out regarding it from a few sources (again, another opinion).

Your more than welcome to disagree with the opinions but there is no suggestion on my part that D.C Medical officer, or anyone is suggesting to stick yourself with the vaccine now.

Possibly some of the reaction has come about due to some very stupid things that Angelo rather yourself has posted.

Stock market is less than scientific. Very possible that it overreacted and treated the vaccine news as if it amounted to approval and lasting market leadership

[Angelo]

So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

What you left out there was this was done as he had arranged a deal with his broker months ago that he was to sell a percentage of his shares if the share price reached a certain price.

This is what happened this week. While the optics of it certainly aren't good his remaining shares are worth 9 times his annual salary and it's not like he sold his entire holding.   

The US stock exchange would be all over this if they suspected insider trading and you can do jail time for that in the US.

How does that change things?

You seem to have great faith in the ethics of the US stock exchange and billion dollar pharma.....

The CEO of Pfizer must be very well qualified and intelligent to even get appointed in the first place, but I doubt fortune telling or ability to tell the future is on his CV or a factor for him being appointed.

August 19th Mr. Borla signed a contract to sell a portion of his shares if they reached a certain price. He can't set the price of the shares on the stock market. That's set based on all manner of factors such as company performance, dividends, projections for example. He's been with the company in one role or another for the last 25 years, has an annual salary of $17m and this deal followed all rules and regulations for insider trading.

Every major pharmaceutical company in the world is working on a vaccine at the moment. There is no way back in August he could have known Pfizer would be the first to company to announce they have a potential vaccine.

He signed that contract three months ago. Why do you think they reached that price?

What exactly do you think pharmaceutical companies have been working on for the last 9 months or so? You don't need to be a genius to figure out they're all trying to find Covid-19 vaccines.

Mr. Borla couldn't make the shares reach a certain price but I imagine he quite reasonably believed that if the company could come up with a vaccine then the share price would increase.

It's likely there has been a lot of people investing in pharma companies over the last 9 months or so in that hope that company is first out with a medically approved vaccine so they would make a killing

I think executive decisions are more motivated in economics that humanitarianism.

You seem to be doing a lot of speculating there. The optics are very poor in any case.

[LCohen]

The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. It's not even approved yet

A bit early for the EU to be ordering 300m doses so?

Too early to say. Lots of countries/blocs have preordered lots of different vaccines. They want to be at the front of the queue for the ones they can use. I guess you knew that?

Preordered doesn't mean pre-paid for and doesn't even mean must be paid unconditionally be paid for

You seem to have contradicted yourself.

Please explain?

[dublin7]

So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

What you left out there was this was done as he had arranged a deal with his broker months ago that he was to sell a percentage of his shares if the share price reached a certain price.

This is what happened this week. While the optics of it certainly aren't good his remaining shares are worth 9 times his annual salary and it's not like he sold his entire holding.   

The US stock exchange would be all over this if they suspected insider trading and you can do jail time for that in the US.

How does that change things?

You seem to have great faith in the ethics of the US stock exchange and billion dollar pharma.....

The CEO of Pfizer must be very well qualified and intelligent to even get appointed in the first place, but I doubt fortune telling or ability to tell the future is on his CV or a factor for him being appointed.

August 19th Mr. Borla signed a contract to sell a portion of his shares if they reached a certain price. He can't set the price of the shares on the stock market. That's set based on all manner of factors such as company performance, dividends, projections for example. He's been with the company in one role or another for the last 25 years, has an annual salary of $17m and this deal followed all rules and regulations for insider trading.

Every major pharmaceutical company in the world is working on a vaccine at the moment. There is no way back in August he could have known Pfizer would be the first to company to announce they have a potential vaccine.

He signed that contract three months ago. Why do you think they reached that price?

What exactly do you think pharmaceutical companies have been working on for the last 9 months or so? You don't need to be a genius to figure out they're all trying to find Covid-19 vaccines.

Mr. Borla couldn't make the shares reach a certain price but I imagine he quite reasonably believed that if the company could come up with a vaccine then the share price would increase.

It's likely there has been a lot of people investing in pharma companies over the last 9 months or so in that hope that company is first out with a medically approved vaccine so they would make a killing

I think executive decisions are more motivated in economics that humanitarianism.

You seem to be doing a lot of speculating there. The optics are very poor in any case.

All you do is speculate. You tried to claim Pfizer CEO was committing fraud, but you were found out. You also tried to claim suicides were up 200% in lockdown, but you got called out on that as well.

Very first post on this thread you claimed a vaccine was being pushed through without proper testing and shock horror you don't offer anything to back up your speculation

You don't offer any facts and when pushed for answers offer nothing.

[Ronnie]

I see Labour in UK pushing for anti-vac censorship law to stop idiots posting misinformation.  Interesting.