The Many Faces of US Politics...

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J70

Quote from: whitey on November 03, 2021, 10:52:25 AM
Quote from: J70 on November 03, 2021, 09:40:13 AM
Quote from: whitey on November 03, 2021, 09:28:00 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 03, 2021, 06:43:37 AM
Bad night for Biden and the Democrats. Would expect to see GOP gains at the midterms now.

Republicans to take back the White Hoise in 2024?

If this doesn't cause the Democrats to wake the fvck up, they deserve what's coming

Hopefully it will wake them up.

Some of the progressive caucus in the House are in cloud cuckoo land, seemingly unaware that the Senate is on a knife edge, dependent on two red state Senators.

All the critical race theory horseshit (you have to hand it to the GOP for their complete mastery of culture war nonsense) wouldn't matter as much if they'd stop the self destruction.

NYC showed the way with a pragmatic centrist mayor, who was immune to the GOP bullshit, elected.

An elitist Democrat, who probably spent $1M+ sending his own kids to private schools, stating that parents should have no say in what their children's are being taught in school (while his own wife is on the board of his kids schools helping decide curriculum )

Well maybe there's a normal middle ground where science is taught in science class and US history, warts and all, is taught in history class.

RedHand88

The Dems were toast once it was proven that critical race theory is being taught to elementary school children.

whitey

Quote from: J70 on November 03, 2021, 11:39:40 AM
Quote from: whitey on November 03, 2021, 10:52:25 AM
Quote from: J70 on November 03, 2021, 09:40:13 AM
Quote from: whitey on November 03, 2021, 09:28:00 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 03, 2021, 06:43:37 AM
Bad night for Biden and the Democrats. Would expect to see GOP gains at the midterms now.

Republicans to take back the White Hoise in 2024?

If this doesn't cause the Democrats to wake the fvck up, they deserve what's coming

Hopefully it will wake them up.

Some of the progressive caucus in the House are in cloud cuckoo land, seemingly unaware that the Senate is on a knife edge, dependent on two red state Senators.

All the critical race theory horseshit (you have to hand it to the GOP for their complete mastery of culture war nonsense) wouldn't matter as much if they'd stop the self destruction.

NYC showed the way with a pragmatic centrist mayor, who was immune to the GOP bullshit, elected.

An elitist Democrat, who probably spent $1M+ sending his own kids to private schools, stating that parents should have no say in what their children's are being taught in school (while his own wife is on the board of his kids schools helping decide curriculum )

Well maybe there's a normal middle ground where science is taught in science class and US history, warts and all, is taught in history class.

While CRT (in its entirety) may not be taught in schools, elements of it most certainly are.

The Democrats just can't help themselves

It's actually kind of sad.....Joe could have accomplished a lot of good and now it's been squandered away for absolutely nothing

J70

What "elements" of CRT are being taught?

screenexile

Quote from: J70 on November 03, 2021, 12:19:09 PM
What "elements" of CRT are being taught?

Yeah I haven't done much digging on this but the lads seem to be massively against it what exactly is the problem with CRT??

RedHand88

Quote from: screenexile on November 03, 2021, 12:25:21 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 03, 2021, 12:19:09 PM
What "elements" of CRT are being taught?

Yeah I haven't done much digging on this but the lads seem to be massively against it what exactly is the problem with CRT??

Teaching white = bad to 6 year olds. Aye its a real hoot.

The dems should run in 2024 with that line.

J70

Quote from: RedHand88 on November 03, 2021, 12:29:08 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 03, 2021, 12:25:21 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 03, 2021, 12:19:09 PM
What "elements" of CRT are being taught?

Yeah I haven't done much digging on this but the lads seem to be massively against it what exactly is the problem with CRT??

Teaching white = bad to 6 year olds. Aye its a real hoot.

The dems should run in 2024 with that line.

Where did this happen?

sid waddell

Quote from: J70 on November 03, 2021, 11:32:57 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 03, 2021, 10:23:52 AM
Quote from: J70 on November 03, 2021, 09:40:13 AM
Quote from: whitey on November 03, 2021, 09:28:00 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 03, 2021, 06:43:37 AM
Bad night for Biden and the Democrats. Would expect to see GOP gains at the midterms now.

Republicans to take back the White Hoise in 2024?

If this doesn't cause the Democrats to wake the fvck up, they deserve what's coming

Hopefully it will wake them up.

Some of the progressive caucus in the House are in cloud cuckoo land, seemingly unaware that the Senate is on a knife edge, dependent on two red state Senators.

All the critical race theory horseshit (you have to hand it to the GOP for their complete mastery of culture war nonsense) wouldn't matter as much if they'd stop the self destruction.

NYC showed the way with a pragmatic centrist mayor, who was immune to the GOP bullshit, elected.
Manchin and Sinema are the problem. 100% corrupt, bought and paid for, extremist political hijackers.

Manchin is the pocket of fossil fuels. Sinema is in the pocket of slash and burn big business.

They are the reason for Biden not being able to get common sense legislation through.

Neither Manchin nor Sinema are getting elected next time anyway. Manchin will lose in West Virginia and Sinema will be primaried and lose.

America is fucked. Once the Republicans get in in 2022, the 2024 presidential election will be stolen, and it's bye bye democracy in America for the rest of our lifetimes.

1. I agree America is likely fucked. Trump and the GOP ARE putting the people and legislation in place to steal the next presidential election and they will likely succeed, especially as there are no obvious broad-appeal candidates around on the Democratic side who would win at the level needed to overcome such theft.

3. Hate Manchin and Sinema all you want (although I don't what the f**k Sinema's deal is; I don't know if anyone outside those who have presumably bought and paid for her do), but they're the only thing currently standing in the way of Mitch McConnell being back in charge and the GOP running all of the committees. There is simply no liberal Democratic majority to be had in the US Senate given the undemocratic design of that chamber. Its either the likes of Manchin or its a Trump whackjob. That's the choice, and its also the choice for three or four other states. Manchin is protecting his seat, and he's done so successfully for years in a very conservative state. Progressives can either rein in their ambitions or they can blow their wad on legislation which will either not pass the Senate or which will see them booted out of office and the legislation either revoked or simply not enforced by a GOP-controlled executive.
Manchin and Sinema are the very people who are blocking comprehensive federal voting rights and climate legislation.

They are an integral part of the problem.

When the Republicans steal the White House in 2024, they will have enabled it.

Progressives are rightly extremely angry with them, because progressives actually care about things like democracy and the future of the planet.

Those who are branded as "extreme" on the left are in fact moderates. The so called "moderates" are the extremists.

The American Nazi party exists on a different spectrum entirely. Blood sucking mortal enemies of humanity would be a kind description.

Last night was a demonstration that fascist propaganda works. And that should terrify us all.


J70

Quote from: sid waddell on November 03, 2021, 12:52:04 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 03, 2021, 11:32:57 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 03, 2021, 10:23:52 AM
Quote from: J70 on November 03, 2021, 09:40:13 AM
Quote from: whitey on November 03, 2021, 09:28:00 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 03, 2021, 06:43:37 AM
Bad night for Biden and the Democrats. Would expect to see GOP gains at the midterms now.

Republicans to take back the White Hoise in 2024?

If this doesn't cause the Democrats to wake the fvck up, they deserve what's coming

Hopefully it will wake them up.

Some of the progressive caucus in the House are in cloud cuckoo land, seemingly unaware that the Senate is on a knife edge, dependent on two red state Senators.

All the critical race theory horseshit (you have to hand it to the GOP for their complete mastery of culture war nonsense) wouldn't matter as much if they'd stop the self destruction.

NYC showed the way with a pragmatic centrist mayor, who was immune to the GOP bullshit, elected.
Manchin and Sinema are the problem. 100% corrupt, bought and paid for, extremist political hijackers.

Manchin is the pocket of fossil fuels. Sinema is in the pocket of slash and burn big business.

They are the reason for Biden not being able to get common sense legislation through.

Neither Manchin nor Sinema are getting elected next time anyway. Manchin will lose in West Virginia and Sinema will be primaried and lose.

America is fucked. Once the Republicans get in in 2022, the 2024 presidential election will be stolen, and it's bye bye democracy in America for the rest of our lifetimes.

1. I agree America is likely fucked. Trump and the GOP ARE putting the people and legislation in place to steal the next presidential election and they will likely succeed, especially as there are no obvious broad-appeal candidates around on the Democratic side who would win at the level needed to overcome such theft.

3. Hate Manchin and Sinema all you want (although I don't what the f**k Sinema's deal is; I don't know if anyone outside those who have presumably bought and paid for her do), but they're the only thing currently standing in the way of Mitch McConnell being back in charge and the GOP running all of the committees. There is simply no liberal Democratic majority to be had in the US Senate given the undemocratic design of that chamber. Its either the likes of Manchin or its a Trump whackjob. That's the choice, and its also the choice for three or four other states. Manchin is protecting his seat, and he's done so successfully for years in a very conservative state. Progressives can either rein in their ambitions or they can blow their wad on legislation which will either not pass the Senate or which will see them booted out of office and the legislation either revoked or simply not enforced by a GOP-controlled executive.
Manchin and Sinema are the very people who are blocking comprehensive federal voting rights and climate legislation.

They are an integral part of the problem.

When the Republicans steal the White House in 2024, they will have enabled it.

Progressives are rightly extremely angry with them, because progressives actually care about things like democracy and the future of the planet.

Those who are branded as "extreme" on the left are in fact moderates. The so called "moderates" are the extremists.

The American Nazi party exists on a different spectrum entirely. Blood sucking mortal enemies of humanity would be a kind description.

Last night was a demonstration that fascist propaganda works. And that should terrify us all.

I don't necessarily disagree with much of that.

Just saying that the real world in the US is a different place to that which could and should exist.

You take what you can get and keep fighting. Playing defense against the insanity of the US right is important too.

No one with any sense should want to a return to the Trump rabble being in power.

sid waddell

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Quote from: RedHand88 on November 03, 2021, 12:07:58 PM
The Dems were toast once it was proven that critical race theory is being taught to elementary school children.
First of all what you've said there is a straight up lie. Virginia doesn't teach critical race theory. So you're a liar.

But here's the thing. Any version of American history which doesn't include critical race theory is a white supremacist version of history.

In other words, fake history.

The Republican propaganda campaign against critical race theory is white supremacism and tyranny in action.


whitey

Quote from: sid waddell on November 03, 2021, 12:56:31 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 03, 2021, 12:07:58 PM
The Dems were toast once it was proven that critical race theory is being taught to elementary school children.
First of all what you've said there is a straight up lie. Virginia doesn't teach critical race theory. So you're a liar.

But here's the thing. Any version of American history which doesn't include critical race theory is a white supremacist version of history.

In other words, fake history.

The Republican propaganda campaign against critical race theory is white supremacism and tyranny in action.

You're wrong (AGAIN)

https://thefederalist.com/2021/10/14/explosive-documents-prove-mcauliffes-administration-pushed-crt-in-virginia-schools/


J70

Quote from: whitey on November 03, 2021, 01:16:16 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 03, 2021, 12:56:31 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 03, 2021, 12:07:58 PM
The Dems were toast once it was proven that critical race theory is being taught to elementary school children.
First of all what you've said there is a straight up lie. Virginia doesn't teach critical race theory. So you're a liar.

But here's the thing. Any version of American history which doesn't include critical race theory is a white supremacist version of history.

In other words, fake history.

The Republican propaganda campaign against critical race theory is white supremacism and tyranny in action.

You're wrong (AGAIN)

https://thefederalist.com/2021/10/14/explosive-documents-prove-mcauliffes-administration-pushed-crt-in-virginia-schools/

Assuming that's true, what exactly is the problem? (It must be bad because I just saw a headline that said 25% of VA voters had it as their top issue!)

Is it, as RedHand88 claims, that six year olds are being taught its "bad" to be white?

sid waddell

Quote from: J70 on November 03, 2021, 01:29:46 PM
Quote from: whitey on November 03, 2021, 01:16:16 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 03, 2021, 12:56:31 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 03, 2021, 12:07:58 PM
The Dems were toast once it was proven that critical race theory is being taught to elementary school children.
First of all what you've said there is a straight up lie. Virginia doesn't teach critical race theory. So you're a liar.

But here's the thing. Any version of American history which doesn't include critical race theory is a white supremacist version of history.

In other words, fake history.

The Republican propaganda campaign against critical race theory is white supremacism and tyranny in action.

You're wrong (AGAIN)

https://thefederalist.com/2021/10/14/explosive-documents-prove-mcauliffes-administration-pushed-crt-in-virginia-schools/

Assuming that's true, what exactly is the problem? (It must be bad because I just saw a headline that said 25% of VA voters had it as their top issue!)

Is it, as RedHand88 claims, that six year olds are being taught its "bad" to be white?
Whitey, as usual is completely wrong. Virginia doesn't teach critical race theory in schools, as he claims.

The point is, it should.

Every school in the US should be taught it.

White society in the US needs a dose of reality and a serious dose of shame about its history and its present. The officially prescribed fake version history it believes is a lie.

Whitey and Red Hand88 are the types that would have Unionist propaganda shoved down the throat of every Catholic child in the North if they could.




whitey

Quote from: J70 on November 03, 2021, 01:29:46 PM
Quote from: whitey on November 03, 2021, 01:16:16 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 03, 2021, 12:56:31 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 03, 2021, 12:07:58 PM
The Dems were toast once it was proven that critical race theory is being taught to elementary school children.
First of all what you've said there is a straight up lie. Virginia doesn't teach critical race theory. So you're a liar.

But here's the thing. Any version of American history which doesn't include critical race theory is a white supremacist version of history.

In other words, fake history.

The Republican propaganda campaign against critical race theory is white supremacism and tyranny in action.

You're wrong (AGAIN)

https://thefederalist.com/2021/10/14/explosive-documents-prove-mcauliffes-administration-pushed-crt-in-virginia-schools/

Assuming that's true, what exactly is the problem? (It must be bad because I just saw a headline that said 25% of VA voters had it as their top issue!)

Is it, as RedHand88 claims, that six year olds are being taught its "bad" to be white?

The problem from what I have seen and read is that some teachers are going rogue and teaching pretty crazy stuff. If parents object they're being told to sit down and shut up and are accused of being racists (Google it and you'll find lots of examples)

While not officially teaching CRT, some districts are using the same materials and research that underpin CRT  to teach other classes on things like diversity and inclusion

They're teaching  CRT, just calling it something else

By the way.....did you ever read White Fragility?

whitey

Quote from: sid waddell on November 03, 2021, 01:46:31 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 03, 2021, 01:29:46 PM
Quote from: whitey on November 03, 2021, 01:16:16 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 03, 2021, 12:56:31 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 03, 2021, 12:07:58 PM
The Dems were toast once it was proven that critical race theory is being taught to elementary school children.
First of all what you've said there is a straight up lie. Virginia doesn't teach critical race theory. So you're a liar.

But here's the thing. Any version of American history which doesn't include critical race theory is a white supremacist version of history.

In other words, fake history.

The Republican propaganda campaign against critical race theory is white supremacism and tyranny in action.

You're wrong (AGAIN)

https://thefederalist.com/2021/10/14/explosive-documents-prove-mcauliffes-administration-pushed-crt-in-virginia-schools/

Assuming that's true, what exactly is the problem? (It must be bad because I just saw a headline that said 25% of VA voters had it as their top issue!)

Is it, as RedHand88 claims, that six year olds are being taught its "bad" to be white?
Whitey, as usual is completely wrong. Virginia doesn't teach critical race theory in schools, as he claims.

The point is, it should.

Every school in the US should be taught it.

White society in the US needs a dose of reality and a serious dose of shame about its history and its present. The officially prescribed fake version history it believes is a lie.

Whitey and Red Hand88 are the types that would have Unionist propaganda shoved down the throat of every Catholic child in the North if they could.

Sid-if you lived here, you'd know that the taxpayer (in the town) pays the salaries of the teachers, the principals and the school superintendent (in my town the Superintendent makes $172K)

Parents have every right to go to a school board meeting and voice concerns if they object to something that's being taught to their kids.  For the Democrats, their fall back position is that if you do that-you're a racist and a bigot, and while some concerned parents are racists and bigots, most are not.


What's interesting about what happened in Virginia, is that College Educated white people switched in large numbers from Democrat to Republican. These aren't toothless rednecks hanging on every word Fox News tells them. They know exactly what's being taught to their kids and they don't like it

(BTW-many of them voted for Obama twice and voted for Joe and Kamala just last year)