was found arrested in Peru - they found nearly 6 kilos of cocaine in her luggage
http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0810/467417-peru-arrest/
A lot of people that never knew her "were worried sick" on the Facebook
She is a young girl who didn't t realise what she was getting herself into.
If she had been a few years older she would have had the sense not to get involved.
She and her poor family have years of torture ahead of them
God help them all
Imagine the relief for friends and family.Missing,fearing the worst,then news comes through she's in a Peruvian prison after being caught with enough drugs to supply Dublin for a week.Party time!
Looking forward already to the episode of Banged Up Abroad in a few years time.
To be serious though it sounds like she fell in with the wrong crowd who probably promised her easy money with no risk of being caught and she took the chance. Taken advantage of in a lot of ways but she's in for a rough few years now.
Suppose the only good news is she not dead which was looking the case for a while, some young people do silly things, expect some effy man talked her into this,
For me if guilty she deserves all she gets,too many young lives ruined by people like this.
Quote from: glens abu on August 11, 2013, 03:23:35 PM
For me if guilty she deserves all she gets,too many young lives ruined by people like this.
catch yourself on. You obviously know nothing about this. Organised criminals look for the most vulnerable and desperate people to act as drug mules. You can be sure she was getting a life changing sum of money for it. Generally they tell them they will have to take a small amount then start packing loads of it into the suit case. Also known trick is to set up ones with a few kilos for authorities, in order to get other mules.
Quote from: HiMucker on August 11, 2013, 04:43:21 PM
Quote from: glens abu on August 11, 2013, 03:23:35 PM
For me if guilty she deserves all she gets,too many young lives ruined by people like this.
catch yourself on. You obviously know nothing about this. Organised criminals look for the most vulnerable and desperate people to act as drug mules. You can be sure she was getting a life changing sum of money for it. Generally they tell them they will have to take a small amount then start packing loads of it into the suit case. Also known trick is to set up ones with a few kilos for authorities, in order to get other mules.
Oh very good,you know so much about this sorry,just let her out then and anyone else who tells the police sorry I am a mule must go free. ::)
Quote from: glens abu on August 11, 2013, 04:47:32 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on August 11, 2013, 04:43:21 PM
Quote from: glens abu on August 11, 2013, 03:23:35 PM
For me if guilty she deserves all she gets,too many young lives ruined by people like this.
catch yourself on. You obviously know nothing about this. Organised criminals look for the most vulnerable and desperate people to act as drug mules. You can be sure she was getting a life changing sum of money for it. Generally they tell them they will have to take a small amount then start packing loads of it into the suit case. Also known trick is to set up ones with a few kilos for authorities, in order to get other mules.
Oh very good,you know so much about this sorry,just let her out then and anyone else who tells the police sorry I am a mule must go free. ::)
I wonder would the lads have such empathy if it were a 45 year old man with a face like it was kicked by a Donkey!
Drugs ruin lives.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 11, 2013, 05:08:21 PM
Quote from: glens abu on August 11, 2013, 04:47:32 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on August 11, 2013, 04:43:21 PM
Quote from: glens abu on August 11, 2013, 03:23:35 PM
For me if guilty she deserves all she gets,too many young lives ruined by people like this.
catch yourself on. You obviously know nothing about this. Organised criminals look for the most vulnerable and desperate people to act as drug mules. You can be sure she was getting a life changing sum of money for it. Generally they tell them they will have to take a small amount then start packing loads of it into the suit case. Also known trick is to set up ones with a few kilos for authorities, in order to get other mules.
Donkey/mule - like what you've done here!
Oh very good,you know so much about this sorry,just let her out then and anyone else who tells the police sorry I am a mule must go free. ::)
I wonder would the lads have such empathy if it were a 45 year old man with a face like it was kicked by a Donkey!
Drugs ruin lives.
Quote from: glens abu on August 11, 2013, 04:47:32 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on August 11, 2013, 04:43:21 PM
Quote from: glens abu on August 11, 2013, 03:23:35 PM
For me if guilty she deserves all she gets,too many young lives ruined by people like this.
catch yourself on. You obviously know nothing about this. Organised criminals look for the most vulnerable and desperate people to act as drug mules. You can be sure she was getting a life changing sum of money for it. Generally they tell them they will have to take a small amount then start packing loads of it into the suit case. Also known trick is to set up ones with a few kilos for authorities, in order to get other mules.
Oh very good,you know so much about this sorry,just let her out then and anyone else who tells the police sorry I am a mule must go free. ::)
now did I say that? Hardly a likely ten year stretch in a South American hell hole is deserved. Alcohol ruins a lot more life's than cocaine that is for sure, ah but it's legal so everything is ok. Look these girls made a massive mistake and will pay a huge price for it, but labelling their punishments "deserved" when you see some of the "crack" going on is ludicrous.
The penalty is deserved if they knew what they were doing. Newspapers say that mules get modest enough sums, so it is profoundly stupid as well.
Quote from: HiMucker on August 11, 2013, 05:31:26 PM
Quote from: glens abu on August 11, 2013, 04:47:32 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on August 11, 2013, 04:43:21 PM
Quote from: glens abu on August 11, 2013, 03:23:35 PM
For me if guilty she deserves all she gets,too many young lives ruined by people like this.
catch yourself on. You obviously know nothing about this. Organised criminals look for the most vulnerable and desperate people to act as drug mules. You can be sure she was getting a life changing sum of money for it. Generally they tell them they will have to take a small amount then start packing loads of it into the suit case. Also known trick is to set up ones with a few kilos for authorities, in order to get other mules.
Oh very good,you know so much about this sorry,just let her out then and anyone else who tells the police sorry I am a mule must go free. ::)
now did I say that? Hardly a likely ten year stretch in a South American hell hole is deserved. Alcohol ruins a lot more life's than cocaine that is for sure, ah but it's legal so everything is ok. Look these girls made a massive mistake and will pay a huge price for it, but labelling their punishments "deserved" when you see some of the "crack" going on is ludicrous.
Again I am sorry but I think anyone caught smuggling drugs deserve all they get,they are not doing charity work the are profiting from other people's misery.If guilty let her do her time if this is not the case then a different story.
Quote from: Gaffer on August 11, 2013, 02:17:01 AM
She is a young girl who didn't t realise what she was getting herself into.
If she had been a few years older she would have had the sense not to get involved.
She and her poor family have years of torture ahead of them
God help them all
To be honest, at 20 years of age if she wasn't aware that trying to smuggle Drugs through an Airport was a serious offence, she must have been very naïve.
Peru has the second highest rate in the world for arrest charges on people transporting Drugs.
Whilst the so-called mules should not fully escape justice despite their naivety, those who groom gullible young women to carry out such acts should hang for their crimes!
This is a terrible tradegy. The poor girls were kidnapped and held at gun point. Common enough occurrence by all accounts. Young girl travelling on a Irish passport too and the Irish consulate don't seem to want to have anything to do with it. British embassy providing both girls with food and water to survive.
Quote from: Castor on August 11, 2013, 09:32:44 PM
This is a terrible tradegy. The poor girls were kidnapped and held at gun point. Common enough occurrence by all accounts. Young girl travelling on a Irish passport too and the Irish consulate don't seem to want to have anything to do with it. British embassy providing both girls with food and water to survive.
Spin has started.
Quote from: HiMucker on August 11, 2013, 04:43:21 PM
Quote from: glens abu on August 11, 2013, 03:23:35 PM
For me if guilty she deserves all she gets,too many young lives ruined by people like this.
catch yourself on. You obviously know nothing about this. Organised criminals look for the most vulnerable and desperate people to act as drug mules. You can be sure she was getting a life changing sum of money for it. Generally they tell them they will have to take a small amount then start packing loads of it into the suit case. Also known trick is to set up ones with a few kilos for authorities, in order to get other mules.
She doesn't look that vulnerable and desperate to me. https://www.facebook.com/michaella.mccollum?fref=ts
Quote from: Castor on August 11, 2013, 09:32:44 PM
This is a terrible tradegy. The poor girls were kidnapped and held at gun point. Common enough occurrence by all accounts. Young girl travelling on a Irish passport too and the Irish consulate don't seem to want to have anything to do with it. British embassy providing both girls with food and water to survive.
top nightclub dancer in Ibiza is kidnapped and forced to go to Peru to smuggle snort,.... more likely she ran up a debt from hovering the shite and felt she had no choice. Just a theory, its a fucked up island Ibiza, would be easy to get caught up in the mess.
It's her family I feel sorry for. If you're dopey enough to go to South America of all places to try and smuggle cocaine through a feckin' airport... well you deserve a stretch based on stupidity alone.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 11, 2013, 09:40:35 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on August 11, 2013, 04:43:21 PM
Quote from: glens abu on August 11, 2013, 03:23:35 PM
For me if guilty she deserves all she gets,too many young lives ruined by people like this.
catch yourself on. You obviously know nothing about this. Organised criminals look for the most vulnerable and desperate people to act as drug mules. You can be sure she was getting a life changing sum of money for it. Generally they tell them they will have to take a small amount then start packing loads of it into the suit case. Also known trick is to set up ones with a few kilos for authorities, in order to get other mules.
She doesn't look that vulnerable and desperate to me. https://www.facebook.com/michaella.mccollum?fref=ts
why is it every conversation about a woman will inevitably bring up the question of "would ye?" :D ....... Oh and I would
She deserves punishment for what she attempted to do, however the Peruvian prisons are not what you would call a humane punishment.
3 meals per day of Rice & Gumel? Whatever Gumel is, I presume some slop?
Overcrowded, dirty accomodation rife in infestations & illness.
A lot of allegations of sexual blackmail as well by guards etc
I don't think any of us could call that a fair punishment. I feel for the girls & their families. What must they be going through.
I tell you what, I bet she wishes she was traveling on a British Passport. By the sounds of it the Irish foreign affairs dept resemble something out of Duffys circus.
I think that Irish people would prefer that drug dealers would use some other passport.
According to the BBC reporter in Lima, who was interviewed on BBC Radio Uladh this morning, by virtue of the fact that she was born in N.Ireland she is a British citizen (regardless of passport held) and will be entitled to the full service and support from the British embassy there.
According to the Irish Sun (via U.TV) she's on a hunger strike now. :o
Do the crime do the time.
She's innocent it seems cos she was the family's "baby" according to her sister :-\
Interesting line of defence!
At the moment we don't know the circumstances but I don't think it matters a whit. If she was forced to be a drugs mule then she is fcuked irregardless. There are a fair few foreigners banged up in Mountjoy who were caught in Dublin Airport and we don't see anyone crying for them.
That said I am sure conditions in The Joy, bad and all as they are, are sheer luxury compared to a place like Peru.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on August 12, 2013, 01:06:54 PM
She's innocent it seems cos she was the family's "baby" according to her sister :-\
Interesting line of defence!
At the moment we don't know the circumstances but I don't think it matters a whit. If she was forced to be a drugs mule then she is fcuked irregardless. There are a fair few foreigners banged up in Mountjoy who were caught in Dublin Airport and we don't see anyone crying for them.
That said I am sure conditions in The Joy, bad and all as they are, are sheer luxury compared to a place like Peru.
That is the important bit in bold. A lot of opinions on here when not one clue is known about what has really happened. Feel sorry for her regardless.
Quote from: EC Unique on August 12, 2013, 02:56:55 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on August 12, 2013, 01:06:54 PM
She's innocent it seems cos she was the family's "baby" according to her sister :-\
Interesting line of defence!
At the moment we don't know the circumstances but I don't think it matters a whit. If she was forced to be a drugs mule then she is fcuked irregardless. There are a fair few foreigners banged up in Mountjoy who were caught in Dublin Airport and we don't see anyone crying for them.
That said I am sure conditions in The Joy, bad and all as they are, are sheer luxury compared to a place like Peru.
That is the important bit in bold. A lot of opinions on here when not one clue is known about what has really happened. Feel sorry for her regardless.
Well she is innocent until proven guilty,but not looking good when two young party girls are in Peru and stopped with £1.5million of cocaine at airport.If found guilty she deserves all she gets.
Quote from: EC Unique on August 12, 2013, 02:56:55 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on August 12, 2013, 01:06:54 PM
She's innocent it seems cos she was the family's "baby" according to her sister :-\
Interesting line of defence!
At the moment we don't know the circumstances but I don't think it matters a whit. If she was forced to be a drugs mule then she is fcuked irregardless. There are a fair few foreigners banged up in Mountjoy who were caught in Dublin Airport and we don't see anyone crying for them.
That said I am sure conditions in The Joy, bad and all as they are, are sheer luxury compared to a place like Peru.
That is the important bit in bold. A lot of opinions on here when not one clue is known about what has really happened. Feel sorry for her regardless.
Working in a Party place like Ibiza for the summer doing bar work and dancing, travels to Peru for a few days with a friend from work, probably to collect something for an employer. Hardly went there to collect Sugar and milk.
It's too bad it happened, but no excuse to be messing with Drugs if she is guilty.
I`d ride her
;D
Cheeky hoor
If she was working as a nightclub hostess, or exotic dancer its hard to imagine her being so gullible? Normally those employed in this field are fairly streetwise.
Poor girl and poor family. In jail overseas, especially somewhere like Peru won't be easy.
Former Middletown / Madden woman from what I believe.....
It's one thing being caught as a drug mule when you're from a country where a decent standard of life isn't even the norm but another entirely to be a western girl from Ireland (who seems to have a diploma if some sort in photography and appears to have been signed to a modelling agency in Belfast).
Whatever she did she can't have anyone to blame but herself. The penalty is there for a reason and it's to deter people from becoming drug mules.
Quote from: The Iceman on August 12, 2013, 04:37:03 PM
Poor girl and poor family. In jail overseas, especially somewhere like Peru won't be easy.
Former Middletown / Madden woman from what I believe.....
The girl herself or her family? I'm quite familiar with the Middletown/Madden area and I do not know her.
Hard to comment when we don't know the full circumstances but it doesn't look good. Say her family are in bits.
Reminds me of two lads I knew while on J1 in San Diego. These two lads were complete head the balls. The Irish in San Diego used to head to Tijuana on Wednesday nights to go on the lash. These 2 lads fell out of the nightclub called Safari. Anyway, they were approached by a guy who said if they wanted to earn 500 dollars for 1 hours work. The 2 lads then got into the car with the fella and off they went. (I know, idiots for a start).
The lads said they started to sober up as they had been driving for about 15 mins and were outside the City at this stage. Car pulled up to a gated mansion with 2 armed guards with machine guns. They were asked to go inside and were told they were going to drive a car each across the border. It was a people smuggling operation, the 2 Irish lads then started to shit themselves as you would. One of the boys said his passport was with his friends back in the club and said they needed to go back, Mexicans weren't happy and said the were fucked if they were lying. Drove them back and then Irish lad A said his friend was now at the border about to cross with his passport, so needed to meet him there,2 lads then got to about 100m of the border and did a legger from the car. Unreal stuff, 2 absolute idiots but very lucky boys all the same! I would have been sceptical of the story but a few mates saw them run from the car and the chase that ensued, also the 2 were absolute headers with drink taken.
Quote from: glens abu on August 11, 2013, 03:23:35 PM
For me if guilty she deserves all she gets,too many young lives ruined by people like this.
What if she was carrying the drugs for a separatist or political movement or if she was carrying a bomb? Would she deserve all she gets then?
She arrived in Peru in the early hours of the first of August. And attempted to depart on the sixth of August. Given she was uncharacterisicaly not on social media, or in touch with her family, you'd wonder what really was going on. Details at the moment are very sketchy to say the least.
Quote from: glens abu on August 11, 2013, 03:23:35 PM
For me if guilty she deserves all she gets,too many young lives ruined by people like this.
cant really disagree with this at all
Quote from: pullhard on August 12, 2013, 05:46:24 PM
Quote from: glens abu on August 11, 2013, 03:23:35 PM
For me if guilty she deserves all she gets,too many young lives ruined by people like this.
cant really disagree with this at all
Publicans ruin more lives than Cocaine smugglers I would say. Time to start rounding them up.
Some awful sanctimonious c*nts on here. Granted she was doing wrong and drugs ruin a lot of lives but what would you say if your sister had gotten herself tangled up in something like this?? F*ck her, good enough for her?
Sounds like she got involved in something way above her head (maybe running up debts herself?) and was then forced into doing this to get herself out of it.
Have a read of the book Marching Powder for an insight into what jails were like in Bolivia in the 90s, I presume they're not much better in Peru.
I'd say the best she can hope for is to be able to serve her prison time at home.
Quote from: The Iceman on August 12, 2013, 04:37:03 PM
Poor girl and poor family. In jail overseas, especially somewhere like Peru won't be easy.
Former Middletown / Madden woman from what I believe.....
Could be worse, some people have to got to Mass!!!
Quote from: ziggysego on August 12, 2013, 12:35:40 PM
According to the Irish Sun (via U.TV) she's on a hunger strike now. :o
Defo UK behaviour, no real Irish person who gets to stay live years in Peru and does not take advantage of being in the home of the Spud would say no.
Footage released now of the pair of them when they were arrested. If you look closely on 50secs (just after Melissa Reid claims she was forced to take the drugs) she says something under her breath to Michaella.
I think she says "what else could I say?"
link to the video here
http://www.newstalk.ie/VIDEO:-Drug-trafficaccused-pair-seen-in-airport-film
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2013, 02:53:11 AM
Some awful sanctimonious c*nts on here. Granted she was doing wrong and drugs ruin a lot of lives but what would you say if your sister had gotten herself tangled up in something like this?? F*ck her, good enough for her?
Sounds like she got involved in something way above her head (maybe running up debts herself?) and was then forced into doing this to get herself out of it.
Have a read of the book Marching Powder for an insight into what jails were like in Bolivia in the 90s, I presume they're not much better in Peru.
I'd say the best she can hope for is to be able to serve her prison time at home.
What would you say if your sister got caught up in committing any crime? That's not the way 99.99999% of people look at these things and it's not being sanctimonious for any stranger to say that she should get all she deserves.
CAVEAT:
I don't know the full facts of the case yet (but it doesn't look good).
Hmmmmmmmmm.
If I was "forced" to take a bag I would surely suspect that it contained more than Quaker Oats. Look fairly relaxed don't they?
I'd be shitting a brick.
Nice smile from our wee poor lass with the Minnie Mouse hairstyle at the beginning.
Wile coincidence there, watched a bbc programme about the drugs trade from peru last night. It told the story of one british person who was offered money to travel to peru to transfer the drugs.
It is available on bbc iplayer, well worth a watch. The wee girl doing the documentary is quite a wee looker too!
Tickle I watched that as well
Did you not think the wee girl doing the documentary was a complete empty head? If that's the best investigative journalist BBC3 can come up to cover a story like this... then I dunno!
However it was an interesting watch all the same.
Is your doll from Belfast or Dungannon?
Quote from: God14 on August 13, 2013, 09:41:10 AM
Tickle I watched that as well
Did you not think the wee girl doing the documentary was a complete empty head? If that's the best investigative journalist BBC3 can come up to cover a story like this... then I dunno!
However it was an interesting watch all the same.
I did actually!!! Think it must have been her first documentary to be fair.
She was using words such as 'the people here had no "lecky"(electricty)' to the people from Peru. They musnt ad a clue what she was on about!!!
Very interesting all the same
From dungannon but lived on crumlin rd.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2013, 02:53:11 AM
Some awful sanctimonious c*nts on here. Granted she was doing wrong and drugs ruin a lot of lives but what would you say if your sister had gotten herself tangled up in something like this?? F*ck her, good enough for her?
Sounds like she got involved in something way above her head (maybe running up debts herself?) and was then forced into doing this to get herself out of it.
Have a read of the book Marching Powder for an insight into what jails were like in Bolivia in the 90s, I presume they're not much better in Peru.
I'd say the best she can hope for is to be able to serve her prison time at home.
What are you babbling on about. If she was running up debts she could have always went home to Belfast and explained to her family she was low in funds.
Its not her first docu. Stacey Dooley. Does quite a bit of them. Think its to dum it down a bit to appeal to younger viewers, more of the reality TV generation. Bit of a dose, but wasn't a bad show all the same. You could see her bee stings even before the swarm of bees attacked!
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 13, 2013, 03:38:14 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on August 12, 2013, 04:37:03 PM
Poor girl and poor family. In jail overseas, especially somewhere like Peru won't be easy.
Former Middletown / Madden woman from what I believe.....
Could be worse, some people have to got to Mass!!!
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 13, 2013, 03:40:30 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 12, 2013, 12:35:40 PM
According to the Irish Sun (via U.TV) she's on a hunger strike now. :o
Defo UK behaviour, no real Irish person who gets to stay live years in Peru and does not take advantage of being in the home of the Spud would say no.
Mayo you make little enough sense when you post sober, don't try it when your loaded.
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 13, 2013, 10:02:30 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2013, 02:53:11 AM
Some awful sanctimonious c*nts on here. Granted she was doing wrong and drugs ruin a lot of lives but what would you say if your sister had gotten herself tangled up in something like this?? F*ck her, good enough for her?
Sounds like she got involved in something way above her head (maybe running up debts herself?) and was then forced into doing this to get herself out of it.
Have a read of the book Marching Powder for an insight into what jails were like in Bolivia in the 90s, I presume they're not much better in Peru.
I'd say the best she can hope for is to be able to serve her prison time at home.
What are you babbling on about. If she was running up debts she could have always went home to Belfast and explained to her family she was low in funds.
::) Babbling?
How very observant of you, yes she could have rang home for the money - the fact that she wasn't smart enough to do this means she should spend the next 10 years in a Peruvian prison? It's amazing how some people appear to have no sense of empathy
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2013, 01:45:28 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 13, 2013, 10:02:30 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2013, 02:53:11 AM
Some awful sanctimonious c*nts on here. Granted she was doing wrong and drugs ruin a lot of lives but what would you say if your sister had gotten herself tangled up in something like this?? F*ck her, good enough for her?
Sounds like she got involved in something way above her head (maybe running up debts herself?) and was then forced into doing this to get herself out of it.
Have a read of the book Marching Powder for an insight into what jails were like in Bolivia in the 90s, I presume they're not much better in Peru.
I'd say the best she can hope for is to be able to serve her prison time at home.
What are you babbling on about. If she was running up debts she could have always went home to Belfast and explained to her family she was low in funds.
::) Babbling?
How very observant of you, yes she could have rang home for the money - the fact that she wasn't smart enough to do this means she should spend the next 10 years in a Peruvian prison? It's amazing how some people appear to have no sense of empathy
At 20 years of age, what kid is going to phone home and ask for money for a drug debt?
Yet this is all very idle speculation, one thing is for certain that two more young lives and that of their families have been wrecked by the drug trade. Think they are to be pitied rather than vilified.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2013, 01:45:28 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 13, 2013, 10:02:30 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2013, 02:53:11 AM
Some awful sanctimonious c*nts on here. Granted she was doing wrong and drugs ruin a lot of lives but what would you say if your sister had gotten herself tangled up in something like this?? F*ck her, good enough for her?
Sounds like she got involved in something way above her head (maybe running up debts herself?) and was then forced into doing this to get herself out of it.
Have a read of the book Marching Powder for an insight into what jails were like in Bolivia in the 90s, I presume they're not much better in Peru.
I'd say the best she can hope for is to be able to serve her prison time at home.
What are you babbling on about. If she was running up debts she could have always went home to Belfast and explained to her family she was low in funds.
::) Babbling?
How very observant of you, yes she could have rang home for the money - the fact that she wasn't smart enough to do this means she should spend the next 10 years in a Peruvian prison? It's amazing how some people appear to have no sense of empathy
It's difficult to empathise with these girls. At the end of the day they were trafficking drugs. Like someone said earlier - if these young girls were 2 40 year old men would there be much empathy?
Quote from: NAG1 on August 13, 2013, 01:47:22 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2013, 01:45:28 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 13, 2013, 10:02:30 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2013, 02:53:11 AM
Some awful sanctimonious c*nts on here. Granted she was doing wrong and drugs ruin a lot of lives but what would you say if your sister had gotten herself tangled up in something like this?? F*ck her, good enough for her?
Sounds like she got involved in something way above her head (maybe running up debts herself?) and was then forced into doing this to get herself out of it.
Have a read of the book Marching Powder for an insight into what jails were like in Bolivia in the 90s, I presume they’re not much better in Peru.
I’d say the best she can hope for is to be able to serve her prison time at home.
What are you babbling on about. If she was running up debts she could have always went home to Belfast and explained to her family she was low in funds.
::) Babbling?
How very observant of you, yes she could have rang home for the money - the fact that she wasn't smart enough to do this means she should spend the next 10 years in a Peruvian prison? It's amazing how some people appear to have no sense of empathy
At 20 years of age, what kid is going to phone home and ask for money for a drug debt?
Yet this is all very idle speculation, one thing is for certain that two more young lives and that of their families have been wrecked by the drug trade. Think they are to be pitied rather than vilified.
20 year old "kid"? That's a bit of a stretch...
As someone of a similar age I know I'd explore a helluva lot of options if I was short of money before I'd try trafficking drugs out of South America!
Drugs are horrible and those who peddle them.
But she's still somebody's daughter lads.
Quote from: orangeman on August 13, 2013, 02:09:44 PM
Drugs are horrible and those who peddle them.
But she's still somebody's daughter lads.
Everyone is someone's child - not a great argument or defence.
Quote from: Cold tea on August 13, 2013, 02:24:59 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 13, 2013, 02:09:44 PM
Drugs are horrible and those who peddle them.
But she's still somebody's daughter lads.
Everyone is someone's child - not a great argument or defence.
I'm not defending her or making an argument for her.
God forbid it was one of our own, that's all the point I'm making.
Quote from: orangeman on August 13, 2013, 02:28:06 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on August 13, 2013, 02:24:59 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 13, 2013, 02:09:44 PM
Drugs are horrible and those who peddle them.
But she's still somebody's daughter lads.
Everyone is someone's child - not a great argument or defence.
I'm not defending her or making an argument for her.
God forbid it was one of our own, that's all the point I'm making.
+1
Obviously not the brightest two girls around and there easier to be manipulated etc
Quote from: NAG1 on August 13, 2013, 02:34:04 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 13, 2013, 02:28:06 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on August 13, 2013, 02:24:59 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 13, 2013, 02:09:44 PM
Drugs are horrible and those who peddle them.
But she's still somebody's daughter lads.
Everyone is someone's child - not a great argument or defence.
I'm not defending her or making an argument for her.
God forbid it was one of our own, that's all the point I'm making.
+1
Obviously not the brightest two girls around and there easier to be manipulated etc
Now how do you know that? Nobody on this board knows anything about these girls. They could be poor unfortunates who got caught up in something that was way above their heads or they could be central parts to the whole shebang in that they knew exactly what they were getting into and thought the risk of doing it was worth the money they might have been promised. All we know is that they were caught doing something illegal in a high risk environment and no matter what the reasons were they will end up in jail for at least 2 years as that is the likely timeframe for this case to reach trial.
Quote from: orangeman on August 13, 2013, 02:09:44 PM
Drugs are horrible and those who peddle them.
But she's still somebody's daughter lads.
As would be the end consumer of the drugs she was helping to peddle.
I'm not advocating locking her up, throwing away the key and forgetting about her but nor do I think the fact should be ignored that she appears to have been committing a very serious crime,
This is an extremely sad case unfolding for these 2 young girls, and for their family and friends.
The way it looks, they could go to jail. for a good few years, and to be honest, judging by the conditions
I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
As bad as it looks for the girls and the stigma attached to smuggling drugs, it is worth taking into account
the high level of smuggling that goes on here on a daily basis. Containers of cigarettes, drink, diesel, etc etc
are moving in and out of the country at an alarming rate and are doing serious harm to peoples health and
the environment.
Both girls will have a long time to reflect on what has happened, and I can only hope they come out the other side
with their sanity. Lets hope they get all the help and support right now to get them home soon. It is going to be tough for
their families, and they need to have respect and privacy at this tough time.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 13, 2013, 03:37:46 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on August 13, 2013, 02:34:04 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 13, 2013, 02:28:06 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on August 13, 2013, 02:24:59 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 13, 2013, 02:09:44 PM
Drugs are horrible and those who peddle them.
But she's still somebody's daughter lads.
Everyone is someone's child - not a great argument or defence.
I'm not defending her or making an argument for her.
God forbid it was one of our own, that's all the point I'm making.
+1
Obviously not the brightest two girls around and there easier to be manipulated etc
Now how do you know that? Nobody on this board knows anything about these girls. They could be poor unfortunates who got caught up in something that was way above their heads or they could be central parts to the whole shebang in that they knew exactly what they were getting into and thought the risk of doing it was worth the money they might have been promised. All we know is that they were caught doing something illegal in a high risk environment and no matter what the reasons were they will end up in jail for at least 2 years as that is the likely timeframe for this case to reach trial.
BC1, maybe the were criminal masterminds at the very pinnacle of the drugs trade. But I will go on what is known for now, two foreign girls fly to Peru stay for a short period of time and head back to Spain neither of them being Spanish passport holders. Flying from the second most popular drug trafficking country in the world.
Maybe they were manipulated or maybe they wanted to do it for the cash. Either way to me they made poor choices and too me that isnt the brightest decision they will ever make, when you weight the risk to reward.
So either way I look at it - not overly clever on their behalf.
They look remarkably relaxed in that video.
Yes they don't look like they realised the severity of the situation.
Looking at the various photos of the poor Tyrone girl, she would imagine she's not the most sensible of girls and lives a party lifestyle.
You would imagine she probably dabbled in drugs whilst in Ibiza like many young people and maybe were told they were going to collect some lower grade drug. Who knows but I do have some sympathy for them as they probably are in for a hell of a hard few years just cos they made some bad choices.
The fact that she was off FB for 2 weeks does kinda show that she knew she was about to do something very wrong and didn't have the brains to cover it up by continuing to post as usual.
Locked Up in Peru
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=EvSGY69XnX4&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DEvSGY69XnX4%26feature%3Dyoutu.be&nomobile=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=EvSGY69XnX4&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DEvSGY69XnX4%26feature%3Dyoutu.be&nomobile=1)
:-\
Both look like they're as guilty as sin, though a trifle naive. How did their handlers not realise that they'd be rumbled though? Looks like they underestimated the Peruvians, just like Ally Mc Coist and Scotland did at the 78 World Cup Finals. Hold on, isnt one of these girls' Scottish too?
Oops that of course should have been Ally Mc Leod and Scotland back in 78! ;D
There's more developments this evening.
It seems the girls are claiming that they were kidnapped at gunpoint by a Columbian gang, taken to Morocco for a spell, before travelling to Peru and been forced to transport the Cocaine.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/peru-drugs-arrest-brits-held-2161325?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2013, 01:45:28 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 13, 2013, 10:02:30 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2013, 02:53:11 AM
Some awful sanctimonious c*nts on here. Granted she was doing wrong and drugs ruin a lot of lives but what would you say if your sister had gotten herself tangled up in something like this?? F*ck her, good enough for her?
Sounds like she got involved in something way above her head (maybe running up debts herself?) and was then forced into doing this to get herself out of it.
Have a read of the book Marching Powder for an insight into what jails were like in Bolivia in the 90s, I presume they're not much better in Peru.
I'd say the best she can hope for is to be able to serve her prison time at home.
What are you babbling on about. If she was running up debts she could have always went home to Belfast and explained to her family she was low in funds.
::) Babbling?
How very observant of you, yes she could have rang home for the money - the fact that she wasn't smart enough to do this means she should spend the next 10 years in a Peruvian prison? It's amazing how some people appear to have no sense of empathy
Why would you let her off because she is 20 and good looking. State of the Prisons in Peru are the reality of going to a very Poor County like Peru where Drug arrests are massive.
The prisons conditions are not as bad for Females as Males.
Feel for her family but somebody getting caught up in Drugs I wouldn't have much time for.
QuoteIt seems the girls are claiming that they were kidnapped at gunpoint by a Columbian gang, taken to Morocco for a spell, before travelling to Peru and been forced to transport the Cocaine.
How did they get from Morocco to Peru without passing through an airport/security/passport control? At that point, say hasta la vista and head first thing to Ireland.
Quote from: God14 on August 13, 2013, 07:06:34 AM
Footage released now of the pair of them when they were arrested. If you look closely on 50secs (just after Melissa Reid claims she was forced to take the drugs) she says something under her breath to Michaella.
I think she says "what else could I say?"
link to the video here
http://www.newstalk.ie/VIDEO:-Drug-trafficaccused-pair-seen-in-airport-film
Watched the vid and and can't see where she whispers that?
Quote from: God14 on August 13, 2013, 04:52:23 PM
There's more developments this evening.
It seems the girls are claiming that they were kidnapped at gunpoint by a Columbian gang, taken to Morocco for a spell, before travelling to Peru and been forced to transport the Cocaine.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/peru-drugs-arrest-brits-held-2161325?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
I smell bulls@@t!
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/michaellas-lawyer-says-family-are-confident-she-will-be-proven-innocent-29496212.html
Michaella's lawyer says family are confident she will be proven innocent
Quote from: give her dixie on August 13, 2013, 06:09:04 PM
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/michaellas-lawyer-says-family-are-confident-she-will-be-proven-innocent-29496212.html
Michaella's lawyer says family are confident she will be proven innocent
Well that's it sorted......... What lawyer is going to say any different?
Having watched those banged up abroad shows over the years it's very telling that they they all follow the same pattern. They all know what they are getting themselves into, they believe that it's only going to be a small amount and everything is wired off with the airport staff, that the worse thing that can happen is a year in jail and they will get a great sum of money. Reality is very different, I doubt very much they will have been kidnapped (my view just).
Horrible situation for all involved. Tough lesson
Quote from: ranch on August 13, 2013, 05:51:29 PM
Quote from: God14 on August 13, 2013, 07:06:34 AM
Footage released now of the pair of them when they were arrested. If you look closely on 50secs (just after Melissa Reid claims she was forced to take the drugs) she says something under her breath to Michaella.
I think she says "what else could I say?"
link to the video here
http://www.newstalk.ie/VIDEO:-Drug-trafficaccused-pair-seen-in-airport-film
Watched the vid and and can't see where she whispers that?
Sorry I linked the wrong vid. http://shar.es/yE0ig
56 seconds
Quote from: God14 on August 13, 2013, 06:55:41 PM
Quote from: ranch on August 13, 2013, 05:51:29 PM
Quote from: God14 on August 13, 2013, 07:06:34 AM
Footage released now of the pair of them when they were arrested. If you look closely on 50secs (just after Melissa Reid claims she was forced to take the drugs) she says something under her breath to Michaella.
I think she says "what else could I say?"
link to the video here
http://www.newstalk.ie/VIDEO:-Drug-trafficaccused-pair-seen-in-airport-film
Watched the vid and and can't see where she whispers that?
Sorry I linked the wrong vid. http://shar.es/yE0ig
56 seconds
Mmm, hard to know what it is she's saying but you may be right. Despite what some on here might say I don't buy into this idea that they were two vulnerable girls etc, etc. Anybody their age knows the consequences of what they were doing.
Quote from: NAG1 on August 13, 2013, 01:47:22 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2013, 01:45:28 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 13, 2013, 10:02:30 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2013, 02:53:11 AM
Some awful sanctimonious c*nts on here. Granted she was doing wrong and drugs ruin a lot of lives but what would you say if your sister had gotten herself tangled up in something like this?? F*ck her, good enough for her?
Sounds like she got involved in something way above her head (maybe running up debts herself?) and was then forced into doing this to get herself out of it.
Have a read of the book Marching Powder for an insight into what jails were like in Bolivia in the 90s, I presume they're not much better in Peru.
I'd say the best she can hope for is to be able to serve her prison time at home.
What are you babbling on about. If she was running up debts she could have always went home to Belfast and explained to her family she was low in funds.
::) Babbling?
How very observant of you, yes she could have rang home for the money - the fact that she wasn't smart enough to do this means she should spend the next 10 years in a Peruvian prison? It's amazing how some people appear to have no sense of empathy
At 20 years of age, what kid is going to phone home and ask for money for a drug debt?
Yet this is all very idle speculation, one thing is for certain that two more young lives and that of their families have been wrecked by the drug trade. Think they are to be pitied rather than vilified.
??? Smuggling drugs from S. America is a much more sensible option. No doubt a couple of airheads that got caught up in the party lifestyle and the promise of easy money. A lot of misplaced sympathy because she is local and young (although seemingly old enough to work in Ibiza). They shouldn't be treated any differently from any common or garden smuggler - if proven guilty.
Quote from: God14 on August 13, 2013, 06:55:41 PM
Quote from: ranch on August 13, 2013, 05:51:29 PM
Quote from: God14 on August 13, 2013, 07:06:34 AM
Footage released now of the pair of them when they were arrested. If you look closely on 50secs (just after Melissa Reid claims she was forced to take the drugs) she says something under her breath to Michaella.
I think she says "what else could I say?"
link to the video here
http://www.newstalk.ie/VIDEO:-Drug-trafficaccused-pair-seen-in-airport-film
Watched the vid and and can't see where she whispers that?
Sorry I linked the wrong vid. http://shar.es/yE0ig
56 seconds
Hard to know what she's saying here, but I really doubt she is a stupid as you say, to say that in a police recording interview.
Ziggy I don't think she is aware it's been recorded and they are having lingo problems. She reckons they don't understand her.
Quote from: God14 on August 13, 2013, 07:35:39 PM
Ziggy I don't think she is aware it's been recorded and they are having lingo problems. She reckons they don't understand her.
I still wouldn't be sure she's saying what you think either.
What exactly were they (either the girls or the whoever else) thinking anyway? That they actually had some sort of chance of smuggling that amount of cocaine through an airport in food containers? 11 bags of sugar would hardly go unnoticed in a persons luggage at any airport/docks/boarding crossing anywhere in the world never mind Peru!! Plus quakers is clean rotten!! Nobody would be taking that much home with them. Seriously though does this sort of thing, as in the sheer quantity, get discovered much at airports? Baffled as to how the people behind this thought it would work...
chances are there was someone coming behind them with even more coke. these girls were just used as patsys to take the fall.
They more or less got screwed I'd say, the dogs picked up the scent long before they got to the check in part.
The strange thing about the video was that they looked relaxed, I'd have been shitting myself, bloodshot eyes from crying with the realization of being caught!! So, do they think that they will get off as the story they are saying is true and it will work out? Or was this a planned excuse they had conjured up in the event of being caught?
Once the police find out how they got into the country, (the local touts tell them the whole story) I think then we will get a better picture of what happened, or I suppose we wait for ten years and it's on the show "Banged up abroad" ;)
Quote from: bridgegael on August 13, 2013, 08:11:18 PM
chances are there was someone coming behind them with even more coke. these girls were just used as patsys to take the fall.
Yeah the papers had been reporting that that could well be the case and that these sort of situations are a win win for everyone, apart from the mules of course.
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 13, 2013, 05:13:38 PM
Why would you let her off because she is 20 and good looking. State of the Prisons in Peru are the reality of going to a very Poor County like Peru where Drug arrests are massive.
The prisons conditions are not as bad for Females as Males.
Feel for her family but somebody getting caught up in Drugs I wouldn't have much time for.
Who said anything about letting her off?? You're starting to babble now rodders ::)
It's a sad situation for her & her family and I'm amazed at the apparently smug attitude of some people
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 13, 2013, 07:22:57 PM
A lot of misplaced sympathy because she is local and young (although seemingly old enough to work in Ibiza). They shouldn't be treated any differently from any common or garden smuggler - if proven guilty.
Nail on head.
I'm quite surprised that there's been no comment on her aspiration (with apparent blessing of the family) to head off to Ibiza in search of work as "a dancer or nightclub hostess". They don't tend to be the squeakiest clean of professions, do they?
There is no way they were travelling unsupervised unless they were highly trusted. A minder would have been either on the flight, or two minders closely watching them at each end of the flight.
The girls seemed remarkably calm and unemotional in that video. Don't know what to make of that.
It is still a disaster for two presumably normal families though.
The probably went from fearing they were dead, to find them and only then realise that it was the beginning, not the end of the nightmare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmC62Eg82E8
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2013, 08:37:35 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 13, 2013, 05:13:38 PM
Why would you let her off because she is 20 and good looking. State of the Prisons in Peru are the reality of going to a very Poor County like Peru where Drug arrests are massive.
The prisons conditions are not as bad for Females as Males.
Feel for her family but somebody getting caught up in Drugs I wouldn't have much time for.
Who said anything about letting her off?? You're starting to babble now rodders ::)
It's a sad situation for her & her family and I'm amazed at the apparently smug attitude of some people
People being smug on here is nothing new, we are all guilty of it at times.
They looked relaxed & unemotional because they'd have been given 'sleeping tablets' an hour before by the minders.
Quote from: God14 on August 13, 2013, 09:05:19 PM
They looked relaxed & unemotional because they'd have been given 'sleeping tablets' an hour before by the minders.
I wouldn't say they were tired looking, the Tyrone girl (Thank fcuk shes not from Belfast ;)) managed a smile and they answered the questions very well considering the seriousness of it all, christ I'd panic over being a couple of weeks over a MOT test date
I'm just surmising but perhaps their relaxed state is attributable to a failure to realise the seriousness of the situation befalling them.Like the Scottish girl seems to think that saying she disnae know there were illegal substances in her luggage means that people will believe her.
For every one or two mules that get caught, there must be 20 or 30 getting through.
Maybe some kind successful mule can give the other side to this story?
No doubt double/triple that amount got through successfully, they were probably a decoy. I agree with Tony !? They probably didn't realise the seriousness of the situation which I would believe they just thought they were on a jolly.
The other irony is that this woman from Tyrone seems to be attracting sympathy while Sean Cavanagh was vilified nationally for committing a foul during a football match?
Quote from: T Fearon on August 13, 2013, 09:46:46 PM
The other irony is that this woman from Tyrone seems to be attracting sympathy while Sean Cavanagh was vilified nationally for committing a foul during a football match?
Oh f**k off, Tony.
Scottish doll seemed to have a bad attitude, pished off that they were asking questions in the first place.
Quote from: tintin25 on August 13, 2013, 10:16:06 PM
Scottish doll seemed to have a bad attitude, pished off that they were asking questions in the first place.
Aye and they gave her water instead of Ironbru!! The Irish doll coulda express herself through the art of dance!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2013, 10:51:22 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on August 13, 2013, 10:16:06 PM
Scottish doll seemed to have a bad attitude, pished off that they were asking questions in the first place.
Aye and they gave her water instead of Ironbru!! The Irish doll coulda express herself through the art of dance!!
Someone's daughter lads!!!!
Quote from: Cold tea on August 13, 2013, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2013, 10:51:22 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on August 13, 2013, 10:16:06 PM
Scottish doll seemed to have a bad attitude, pished off that they were asking questions in the first place.
Aye and they gave her water instead of Ironbru!! The Irish doll coulda express herself through the art of dance!!
Someone's daughter lads!!!!
This board gets worse and worse. Utter disrespect for people and pure nastiness in bucket loads on the majority of threads....
f**k sake lads if this were a sister/daughter of your own u wouldn't be as bloody smart
Gutted for the girls.
I feel the best for them is that they serve a coupe of years in Peru and the rest back home if that's possible.
All i can say is when I was 20 years of age I wasn't exactly street wise and would have been gullible enough to do a stupid thing as these girls have done.
Lets hope a lesson is learned from this without too much suffering.
Quote from: Hereiam on August 13, 2013, 11:36:07 PM
f**k sake lads if this were a sister/daughter of your own u wouldn't be as bloody smart
Give over lads. If it were a tattoo covered skinhead with a scar across his face would you be saying same thing? Or if it were a drug smuggler that brought home drugs that killed your daughter/sister?
Quote from: Gaffer on August 13, 2013, 11:41:44 PM
Gutted for the girls.
I feel the best for them is that they serve a coupe of years in Peru and the rest back home if that's possible.
All i can say is when I was 20 years of age I wasn't exactly street wise and would have been gullible enough to do a stupid thing as these girls have done.
Lets hope a lesson is learned from this without too much suffering.
Seriously, when you were 20 you wouldn't have thought that it might not be good idea to go to Peru and smuggle £1.5m worth of coke in Quaker Oats bags out of the country?
I was 20 a long time ago.
They wouldn't have known it was going to be such a large amount.
Quote from: Gaffer on August 13, 2013, 11:41:44 PM
Gutted for the girls.
I feel the best for them is that they serve a coupe of years in Peru and the rest back home if that's possible.
Probably the best they can hope for.
Quote from: Gaffer on August 13, 2013, 11:41:44 PM
All i can say is when I was 20 years of age I wasn't exactly street wise and would have been gullible enough to do a stupid thing as these girls have done.
If someone had approached you you'd have considered smuggling drugs from a South American country on board a flight to mainland Europe? Seriously? :o
Quote from: Gaffer on August 13, 2013, 11:41:44 PM
Lets hope a lesson is learned from this without too much suffering.
Don't attempt to smuggle drugs?
Quote from: Gaffer on August 14, 2013, 12:06:55 AM
They wouldn't have known it was going to be such a large amount.
That's hardly a useful defence? Regardless of quantity they still would have been aware of the consequences.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nrrqV3TLaY
Ok Ranch just lock them up and throw away the key, eh?
No thought for a defence whatsoever considering their age
Just let them suffer in living hell for the next 10 years or so while multiple murderers live in luxury in a so called jail in your own country without protest from you despite the fact you are paying for it through your taxes?
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on August 14, 2013, 12:52:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nrrqV3TLaY
I can't get my head round how calm they both are! If I'd just been kidnapped by Colombian drug dealers in Ibiza, taken to Morroco, then bundled off to Peru where I was forced to smuggle 11.5kg of drugs through an airport, get caught and face up to 25 years in a South Amerian jail....I think I'd be a tad upset! Those girls look like it hasn't taken a flinch outta them.
Quote from: Gaffer on August 14, 2013, 12:56:26 AM
Ok Ranch just lock them up and throw away the key, eh?
No thought for a defence whatsoever considering their age
Just let them suffer in living hell for the next 10 years or so while multiple murderers live in luxury in a so called jail in your own country without protest from you despite the fact you are paying for it through your taxes?
Eh? They're functioning adults, age shouldn't be a criterion for commuting the sentence.
Are you suggesting the NI government pay the financial penalty of for this woman's incarceration for a crime committed in Peru? What's happening to her is perfectly fair. If she didn't want to risk ending up in a Peruvian hell-hole maybe she shouldn't have tried to smuggle drugs out of Peru.
Unless she was being held at gun-point - and surely if she wanted to she could have alerted someone in the airport to the situation and avoided committing the crime - I doubt too many will have much sympathy for her.
All this talk about 'somebody's daughter'? Yeah, it doesn't change anything.
I've watched the brilliant "Banged Up Abroad" a few times and it's almost always the young and naive who get sucked into this. They're usually told that it's easy money, you'll just have to bring a kilo, it's totally undetectable and the guards are paid off in any case. Often when they get to their exotic destination they want to pull out ,but it's too late and they're forced to go through with it. They did seem a bit unflustered in the video, but they probably didn't realise how serious it was or how much coke they had. The hysterics kicked in soon afterwards by all accounts.
Often in these cases they get out early and won't serve the full sentence, and it's quite possible they'll get out in 3 or 4 years though because of the large amount they could serve 5 or 6. Hopefully they'll come out the other side intact and a lot wiser than they were going in. That's what usually happens. So, to put a positive spin on it, in a few years they'll be free, still in their mid-20's, with a lot more sense and a great story to sell. Of course it will feel like the end of the world right now, but they can come through it and be better for it.
Some of the young people caught in "Banged Up Abroad" felt they were set-up. Sacrificial lambs, high profile foreign cases used to show that the local police are fighting against the drug trade, whilst others are allowed to pass through by paid-off airport staff and customs officials. This seems very plausible too when you think about how easily detectable they would have been. 2 young girls going to Peru for just five days is a little suspicious anyway, and 11 kilos ffs? They were never going to get away with that unless everyone was paid off.
Is it a bit odd that the film of them while they were being questioned was released to the press? It would seem to add credence to the notion that the authorities want to highlight that they are being "tough" on drugs.
Surely filmed as your luggage is searched isn't odd! It provides the concrete evidence that a)you're ok or b) your luggage is filled with drugs and your reaction to this on discovery.
I've never seen cameras there when my luggage was being searched in an airport
Given a high drugs centre like Peru,it is only natural that people are filmed for evidence.Sure a huge proportion of all our daily lives is recorded these days,often by cameras not readily discernible.
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on August 14, 2013, 12:52:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nrrqV3TLaY
I thought one of the papers said they were hyterical and refusing to eat?
They still look totally relaxed. What's going on?
The disconnect from reality and expectation that it'll all be over in a few days and they 'll be back in Ibiza.Big fall to earth coming.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2013, 11:41:59 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on August 13, 2013, 11:36:07 PM
f**k sake lads if this were a sister/daughter of your own u wouldn't be as bloody smart
Give over lads. If it were a tattoo covered skinhead with a scar across his face would you be saying same thing? Or if it were a drug smuggler that brought home drugs that killed your daughter/sister?
Hard question that. Once you get over the fact that it was a Catholic girl from Tyrone you can then think logically. A dirt bird from Sandy Row would have given most a good laugh....eh?
Reading a decent book at the moment 'The Cocaine Diaries' about a guy from Dublin who gets caught trying to smuggle half million euros of coke from Venezuela. Gets sentenced to eight years but is eligible for parole in just 18 months. Seems that given the overcrowding that exists in these South American prisons the authorities tend to hand down tough sentences to drug mules to act as a deterrence but in reality will struggle to hold them for their full sentences.
The more money the girls have access to the easier life will be -No doubt they will be getting the family to send over funds ASAP.
I'd like to know why everyone is describing jail in Peru as a living hell etc... Compared with prisons in the US, central America and most in south America, Peru will be practically luxurious.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23691922
Does anyone have any sympathy for these 2?
Quote from: southdown on August 14, 2013, 08:58:08 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23691922
Does anyone have any sympathy for these 2?
Terrible news, will someone think of their families ffs!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clhShDTN6NE
I think the part 1.10 in is quite telling .....
Quote from: southdown on August 14, 2013, 08:58:08 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23691922
Does anyone have any sympathy for these 2?
At the end of the day they are someone's son!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 14, 2013, 04:59:21 AM
I've never seen cameras there when my luggage was being searched in an airport
every square inch of major airports are covered by cctv (with the exception of the can)
The way it works in places like Peru when it comes to moving drugs is simple. The Police are corrupt and the drug dealers have them in their pockets. The will have 3-4 mules going at any given time. They tip the cops off with a marked suit case or something like that and they bust a mule and get footage of it, see the way they are searching them infront of the huge anti drugs smuggling picture in the background. The cops are seen to bust drug smugglers to the tune of $1m worth of drugs while at the same time 2 other mules have carried 3-4 times that amount through. The cops and the Government are seen to be doing their job and the drug dealers are happy, it is a win-win or a lose-lose depending on your point of view. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason the girls were so calm looking is that they were juiced up with something to keep their nerves calm as if they were jumpy they would have been picked up going through. I think they were completely set up by the drug dealers and are going to pay dearly for whatever they believed they were doing.
How do you know all this?
BC1 was a mule, Or was that Donkey..... ;)
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 14, 2013, 09:40:02 AM
How do you know all this?
Two words. South and Armagh.
Whoever put bleach on that pitch is in some bother.
[He is probably very close to the truth]
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 14, 2013, 09:40:02 AM
How do you know all this?
Why wouldn't it be plausible? In terms of wages they wouldn't get a wile lot of money when working in an airport, getting paid to let ones through and catch others would be as said a win win for everyone concerned.
The drug dealers are telling the girls the truth, the workers are paid off to let people through, just left out the bit that they will let the other ones through instead.
I still don't think they are "drugged", they are talking well (not slurred) they are making sense and whispering among themselves
Quote from: Gaffer on August 14, 2013, 12:06:55 AM
I was 20 a long time ago.
They wouldn't have known it was going to be such a large amount.
Sure that makes it ok, doesn't it?
MR is right, if this was some young Peruvian gangbanger covered in tattoos and scars (who believe me, would likely have had a muc tougher upbringing than these two girls) and he got stopped at Dublin airport (or a US airport for you Iceman), nobody would be clamouring for the guards to realise that he was "somebody's son".
The fact that these are young, attractive white girls from home or near home should have no bearing whatsoever on how this case is viewed, so all of you with your sanctimonious shite about how we're all miserable bastards with no empathy can shove it up your hole.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2013, 09:56:00 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 14, 2013, 09:40:02 AM
How do you know all this?
Why wouldn't it be plausible? In terms of wages they wouldn't get a wile lot of money when working in an airport, getting paid to let ones through and catch others would be as said a win win for everyone concerned.
The drug dealers are telling the girls the truth, the workers are paid off to let people through, just left out the bit that they will let the other ones through instead.
I still don't think they are "drugged", they are talking well (not slurred) they are making sense and whispering among themselves
Why let them find 11kg of very valuable coke when 1kg would achieve the same result? It doesn't add up.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/peru-drug-arrests-melissa-michaella-2162982
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 14, 2013, 10:04:17 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2013, 09:56:00 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 14, 2013, 09:40:02 AM
How do you know all this?
Why wouldn't it be plausible? In terms of wages they wouldn't get a wile lot of money when working in an airport, getting paid to let ones through and catch others would be as said a win win for everyone concerned.
The drug dealers are telling the girls the truth, the workers are paid off to let people through, just left out the bit that they will let the other ones through instead.
I still don't think they are "drugged", they are talking well (not slurred) they are making sense and whispering among themselves
Why let them find 11kg of very valuable coke when 1kg would achieve the same result? It doesn't add up.
It's about PR, better to have $1m worth of drugs off the street that €100k. I'll tell you what doesn't add up is the amount of 'coverage' of the arrest and the recording of conversations and 'interviews' with the girls. Something stinks here.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 14, 2013, 10:14:42 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 14, 2013, 10:04:17 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2013, 09:56:00 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 14, 2013, 09:40:02 AM
How do you know all this?
Why wouldn't it be plausible? In terms of wages they wouldn't get a wile lot of money when working in an airport, getting paid to let ones through and catch others would be as said a win win for everyone concerned.
The drug dealers are telling the girls the truth, the workers are paid off to let people through, just left out the bit that they will let the other ones through instead.
I still don't think they are "drugged", they are talking well (not slurred) they are making sense and whispering among themselves
Why let them find 11kg of very valuable coke when 1kg would achieve the same result? It doesn't add up.
It's about PR, better to have $1m worth of drugs off the street that €100k. I'll tell you what doesn't add up is the amount of 'coverage' of the arrest and the recording of conversations and 'interviews' with the girls. Something stinks here.
Is it out of the ordinary in general? Or is it only out of the ordinary due to the fact it involves a local and therefore we pay attention?
Rather than been drugged up in the video and in other pictures I've seen, I just get the impression that the two girls think this is going to be sorted out fairly sharply and that the seriousness of the situation hasn't sunk in.
They seem very casual and relaxed about the whole thing.
Quote from: southdown on August 14, 2013, 10:05:08 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/peru-drug-arrests-melissa-michaella-2162982
Getting through that many airport security checks without rasing an alarm or getting help is very strange
Quote from: southdown on August 14, 2013, 10:05:08 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/peru-drug-arrests-melissa-michaella-2162982
Sounds like complete and utter lies if you ask me. Next we'll be hearing of the role that Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy played in all of this!
Some of the comments on here are quite cynical and given no one knows the actual story quite ridiculous. If you had been threatened with your life and your family members lives and held at gun point, thrown in with strangers etc you certainly wouldn't resist or fight back or go against the orders of whoever is forcing the issue on you - anyone who says different is lying. Similarly if they did have a choice and went about this to make easy money and their story is completely fabricated then they only have themselves to blame and probably deserve whatever punishment they have coming their way.
I don't buy it myself, I think they've made up a pack of lies in the hope for sympathy from the media & relevant authorities.
I reckon the most likely scenario & course of events is a complete replica of the episode of banged up abroad - Krista and Jennifer's Story/Peruvian Prison Nightmare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvSGY69XnX4
I watched this last night on youtube and there are a lot of similarities.
Quote from: supersub on August 14, 2013, 11:06:22 AM
Some of the comments on here are quite cynical and given no one knows the actual story quite ridiculous. If you had been threatened with your life and your family members lives and held at gun point, thrown in with strangers etc you certainly wouldn't resist or fight back or go against the orders of whoever is forcing the issue on you - anyone who says different is lying. Similarly if they did have a choice and went about this to make easy money and their story is completely fabricated then they only have themselves to blame and probably deserve whatever punishment they have coming their way.
You probably think that Lance Armstrong was innocent ;) If some posters comments have been cynical what would yours be?
But yeah when the facts come out do you think the girls will stick to their story? I think the story could be half true but they had plenty of chances to walk away from it. I doubt very much London or Colombian Gangsters are going to head to Dungannon or Glasgow for a "hit" Have they never seen the film The long Good Friday?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2013, 11:29:50 AM
Quote from: supersub on August 14, 2013, 11:06:22 AM
Some of the comments on here are quite cynical and given no one knows the actual story quite ridiculous. If you had been threatened with your life and your family members lives and held at gun point, thrown in with strangers etc you certainly wouldn't resist or fight back or go against the orders of whoever is forcing the issue on you - anyone who says different is lying. Similarly if they did have a choice and went about this to make easy money and their story is completely fabricated then they only have themselves to blame and probably deserve whatever punishment they have coming their way.
You probably think that Lance Armstrong was innocent ;) If some posters comments have been cynical what would yours be?
But yeah when the facts come out do you think the girls will stick to their story? I think the story could be half true but they had plenty of chances to walk away from it. I doubt very much London or Colombian Gangsters are going to head to Dungannon or Glasgow for a "hit" Have they never seen the film The long Good Friday?
Maybe they would only go if the hit was Peter Kay. ;D As for their story - do they walk about with their passports with them!
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 14, 2013, 10:04:17 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2013, 09:56:00 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 14, 2013, 09:40:02 AM
How do you know all this?
Why wouldn't it be plausible? In terms of wages they wouldn't get a wile lot of money when working in an airport, getting paid to let ones through and catch others would be as said a win win for everyone concerned.
The drug dealers are telling the girls the truth, the workers are paid off to let people through, just left out the bit that they will let the other ones through instead.
I still don't think they are "drugged", they are talking well (not slurred) they are making sense and whispering among themselves
Why let them find 11kg of very valuable coke when 1kg would achieve the same result? It doesn't add up.
Kilos of coke are ten a penny in Peru. I heard you can buy a kilo from a pound shop in Lima.
These girls were in Peru for one reason and one reason only, easy money. They weren't threatened, neither were their friends or families. They moved to Ibiza, a known party island, for a good time and looking at the pics on facebook and elsewhere they were certainly getting it. Anyone who is a dancer/hostess/whatever you want to call it, in one of these super clubs isn't wet behind the ears, she/they knew what they were getting themselves in to, knew the risks and equally knew what the reward would be if they were to make it back to Spain.
If they had been successful they would have made some serious money for what would have been a few days work and they would now be living it large again in Ibiza. They got caught and we are now seeing crocodile tears and they are looking for an easy way out. Of course their families are in shock and will do all they can to help them, but the reality is they were caught red handed with a large amount of Bolivian marching powder and they are facing a long stretch behind bars in a foreign country where human rights, especially for drugs smugglers, aren't that high on the agenda.
Drug couriers are regularly caught at Irish ports and airports, we don't go down the sympathy route (somebody's son/daughter) in these cases and we shouldn't now. Let them rot.
So a few things, the girls didn't know each other prior to going?
The cartel members find out about their new mules, including family members, addresses, phone numbers, plus pictures of loved ones.
Michaella was put on a ferry to Majorca while the other one was in Madrid
Then the other one was brought back to Majorca and is this where they first meet up?
They are also devoid of all make-up and looking withdrawn!! Seriously??
Then they mention of having a fun time in Palma
They then went back to Madrid??? One went first (to Peru) on her own the the other a day later, they then flew to Cuzco picked up drugs and flew back to the same airport in Lima, thats when the sniffer dogs picked them up.
Michaella added: "As we sit in jail I just can't help thinking there is some young British girl in Ibiza in the same situation we were two weeks ago."
I doubt we'll need Columbo for this
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 14, 2013, 12:11:29 PM
These girls were in Peru for one reason and one reason only, easy money. They weren't threatened, neither were their friends or families. They moved to Ibiza, a known party island, for a good time and looking at the pics on facebook and elsewhere they were certainly getting it. Anyone who is a dancer/hostess/whatever you want to call it, in one of these super clubs isn't wet behind the ears, she/they knew what they were getting themselves in to, knew the risks and equally knew what the reward would be if they were to make it back to Spain.
If they had been successful they would have made some serious money for what would have been a few days work and they would now be living it large again in Ibiza. They got caught and we are now seeing crocodile tears and they are looking for an easy way out. Of course their families are in shock and will do all they can to help them, but the reality is they were caught red handed with a large amount of Bolivian marching powder and they are facing a long stretch behind bars in a foreign country where human rights, especially for drugs smugglers, aren't that high on the agenda.
Drug couriers are regularly caught at Irish ports and airports, we don't go down the sympathy route (somebody's son/daughter) in these cases and we shouldn't now. Let them rot.
but its not beyond the realms of possibility that what they are saying is true at the same time. Will be an interesting watch either way. Mere speculation @ the minute. (on a less serious note, the girl from Tyrone not look like Boy George??)
Quote from: J OGorman on August 14, 2013, 12:22:21 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 14, 2013, 12:11:29 PM
These girls were in Peru for one reason and one reason only, easy money. They weren't threatened, neither were their friends or families. They moved to Ibiza, a known party island, for a good time and looking at the pics on facebook and elsewhere they were certainly getting it. Anyone who is a dancer/hostess/whatever you want to call it, in one of these super clubs isn't wet behind the ears, she/they knew what they were getting themselves in to, knew the risks and equally knew what the reward would be if they were to make it back to Spain.
If they had been successful they would have made some serious money for what would have been a few days work and they would now be living it large again in Ibiza. They got caught and we are now seeing crocodile tears and they are looking for an easy way out. Of course their families are in shock and will do all they can to help them, but the reality is they were caught red handed with a large amount of Bolivian marching powder and they are facing a long stretch behind bars in a foreign country where human rights, especially for drugs smugglers, aren't that high on the agenda.
Drug couriers are regularly caught at Irish ports and airports, we don't go down the sympathy route (somebody's son/daughter) in these cases and we shouldn't now. Let them rot.
but its not beyond the realms of possibility that what they are saying is true at the same time. Will be an interesting watch either way. Mere speculation @ the minute. (on a less serious note, the girl from Tyrone not look like Boy George??)
It is also not beyond the realms of possibility that they are lying through their teeth.
Honest Guv it wasn't me what dunnit, it was a Cockney Geezer what made me dunnit.
I think it's completely beyond the realms of possibility that everything they said was true. The sooner they tell the full truth the better. I find a lot of their story to be very far-fetched. My initial suspicion, right from the beginning was that they were willing participants that just got caught red-handed. The story simply does not add up and the more information on this case that comes out the more sceptical I am.
I heard Conor Gormley forced them to do it
Quote from: T Fearon on August 14, 2013, 12:47:23 PM
I heard Conor Gormley forced them to do it
I heard Mickey Harte is organising a White Line Protest in Dungannon on Friday evening to highlight the plight of this young lass from Tyrone.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 14, 2013, 12:11:29 PM
These girls were in Peru for one reason and one reason only, easy money. They weren't threatened, neither were their friends or families. They moved to Ibiza, a known party island, for a good time and looking at the pics on facebook and elsewhere they were certainly getting it. Anyone who is a dancer/hostess/whatever you want to call it, in one of these super clubs isn't wet behind the ears, she/they knew what they were getting themselves in to, knew the risks and equally knew what the reward would be if they were to make it back to Spain.
If they had been successful they would have made some serious money for what would have been a few days work and they would now be living it large again in Ibiza. They got caught and we are now seeing crocodile tears and they are looking for an easy way out. Of course their families are in shock and will do all they can to help them, but the reality is they were caught red handed with a large amount of Bolivian marching powder and they are facing a long stretch behind bars in a foreign country where human rights, especially for drugs smugglers, aren't that high on the agenda.
Drug couriers are regularly caught at Irish ports and airports, we don't go down the sympathy route (somebody's son/daughter) in these cases and we shouldn't now. Let them rot.
I'm sure if it was a family member/friend of yours you would have the same sentiments.
Quote from: grounded on August 14, 2013, 01:12:15 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 14, 2013, 12:11:29 PM
These girls were in Peru for one reason and one reason only, easy money. They weren't threatened, neither were their friends or families. They moved to Ibiza, a known party island, for a good time and looking at the pics on facebook and elsewhere they were certainly getting it. Anyone who is a dancer/hostess/whatever you want to call it, in one of these super clubs isn't wet behind the ears, she/they knew what they were getting themselves in to, knew the risks and equally knew what the reward would be if they were to make it back to Spain.
If they had been successful they would have made some serious money for what would have been a few days work and they would now be living it large again in Ibiza. They got caught and we are now seeing crocodile tears and they are looking for an easy way out. Of course their families are in shock and will do all they can to help them, but the reality is they were caught red handed with a large amount of Bolivian marching powder and they are facing a long stretch behind bars in a foreign country where human rights, especially for drugs smugglers, aren't that high on the agenda.
Drug couriers are regularly caught at Irish ports and airports, we don't go down the sympathy route (somebody's son/daughter) in these cases and we shouldn't now. Let them rot.
I'm sure if it was a family member/friend of yours you would have the same sentiments.
No I would have the same sentiments, if anyone connected to me had any involvement with the drugs trade I would have no sympathy for them.
The cocaine in Spain is smuggled mainly on the plane.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 14, 2013, 09:24:15 AM
The way it works in places like Peru when it comes to moving drugs is simple. The Police are corrupt and the drug dealers have them in their pockets. The will have 3-4 mules going at any given time. They tip the cops off with a marked suit case or something like that and they bust a mule and get footage of it, see the way they are searching them infront of the huge anti drugs smuggling picture in the background. The cops are seen to bust drug smugglers to the tune of $1m worth of drugs while at the same time 2 other mules have carried 3-4 times that amount through. The cops and the Government are seen to be doing their job and the drug dealers are happy, it is a win-win or a lose-lose depending on your point of view. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason the girls were so calm looking is that they were juiced up with something to keep their nerves calm as if they were jumpy they would have been picked up going through. I think they were completely set up by the drug dealers and are going to pay dearly for whatever they believed they were doing.
Peru would be no more corrupt that the likes of Itlay and most of our new EU partners.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2013, 11:29:50 AM
Quote from: supersub on August 14, 2013, 11:06:22 AM
Some of the comments on here are quite cynical and given no one knows the actual story quite ridiculous. If you had been threatened with your life and your family members lives and held at gun point, thrown in with strangers etc you certainly wouldn't resist or fight back or go against the orders of whoever is forcing the issue on you - anyone who says different is lying. Similarly if they did have a choice and went about this to make easy money and their story is completely fabricated then they only have themselves to blame and probably deserve whatever punishment they have coming their way.
You probably think that Lance Armstrong was innocent ;) If some posters comments have been cynical what would yours be?
But yeah when the facts come out do you think the girls will stick to their story? I think the story could be half true but they had plenty of chances to walk away from it. I doubt very much London or Colombian Gangsters are going to head to Dungannon or Glasgow for a "hit" Have they never seen the film The long Good Friday?
My comments would be of an open mind and taking in both possibilities, why? What I am saying is their story could be true but equally so they could be talking complete shite and trying to get away with it. Don't think there is much wrong with that.
Nobody has a clue what went on. They could be guilty as hell, or they could be innocent victims of the drug smuggling world.
I have been to Ibiza many times. All I know is that drugs are all over the place and either story could be true.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 14, 2013, 10:14:42 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 14, 2013, 10:04:17 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2013, 09:56:00 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 14, 2013, 09:40:02 AM
How do you know all this?
Why wouldn't it be plausible? In terms of wages they wouldn't get a wile lot of money when working in an airport, getting paid to let ones through and catch others would be as said a win win for everyone concerned.
The drug dealers are telling the girls the truth, the workers are paid off to let people through, just left out the bit that they will let the other ones through instead.
I still don't think they are "drugged", they are talking well (not slurred) they are making sense and whispering among themselves
Why let them find 11kg of very valuable coke when 1kg would achieve the same result? It doesn't add up.
It's about PR, better to have $1m worth of drugs off the street that €100k. I'll tell you what doesn't add up is the amount of 'coverage' of the arrest and the recording of conversations and 'interviews' with the girls. Something stinks here.
All speculation which can be quite easily explained. It's routine in Latin American countries to record the airport searches especially of Europeans because when they're caught invariably they'll usually accuse corrupt officials in host country of planting evidence. Video taping goes some way to reassuring their own people and courts that such claims are based on not much more that prejudice. To suggest a drug dealer is going to give away $1m worth of drugs as a decoy or PR exercise is frankly outrageous. Not far behind is the suggestion that Peruvian airport police and troops are on the take to boost their income. The Peruvian police are probably the most professional, best trained and efficient of all in central and south America. Those they have working in around Lima, the tourist areas and airports are among the best paid of their police force earning salaries in the region of $30-60k well above average earnings for there and probably most places in the world. Then you have their long history of fighting drug trafficking and a not so inconsequential conflict with the Shinning Path will also have their methods and procedures up to the "best European standards" - to buy out free passage for drugs through an airport would entail bribing loads of the best paid and most professional police and troops in the region - not impossible but extremely unlikely and probably not an expense or risk your average drug dealer is going to try.
At the end of the day the girls were caught bang to rights. Probably out there on the promise of a free holiday and a few grand. Stupid and nieve but the amount of excuses being made for them is ridiculous.
Quote from: southdown on August 14, 2013, 01:53:43 PM
Nobody has a clue what went on. They could be guilty as hell, or they could be innocent victims of the drug smuggling world.
I have been to Ibiza many times. All I know is that drugs are all over the place and either story could be true.
To be fair, the former is much more likely than an actually-real Kevin McGeever kidnapping plot with multiple transits and a thousand extra things that could go wrong beyond getting someone who was on board for a pay-day.
They are making a right balls of it with the excuses. Unless they are somehow true.
There is nothing smug about making comments on here, if they weren't caught they wold have exported over 1.5 millions worth of Cocaine to Ibiza - as if there wasn't enough. And made a nice fortune. Maybe they would have went on to being big players down the line.
It was up to them get on a plane to the other side of the world.
Slightly off topic but I see 100million of the stuff Siezed today by Brits in a boat!
Quote from: Syferus on August 14, 2013, 01:31:23 AM
Unless she was being held at gun-point - and surely if she wanted to she could have alerted someone in the airport to the situation and avoided committing the crime - I doubt too many will have much sympathy for her.
I've never been involved with drug smuggling but I'm guessing it's not the sort of situation where you can say just say "look lads, I've changed my mind!"
Quote from: J OGorman on August 14, 2013, 09:14:58 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 14, 2013, 04:59:21 AM
I've never seen cameras there when my luggage was being searched in an airport
every square inch of major airports are covered by cctv (with the exception of the can)
It didn't look like CCTV to me. Not saying there was necessarily anything that odd about them being filmed but I wouldn't have thought it'd be released to the press just like that?
Quote from: Ulick on August 14, 2013, 01:54:30 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 14, 2013, 10:14:42 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 14, 2013, 10:04:17 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2013, 09:56:00 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 14, 2013, 09:40:02 AM
How do you know all this?
Why wouldn't it be plausible? In terms of wages they wouldn't get a wile lot of money when working in an airport, getting paid to let ones through and catch others would be as said a win win for everyone concerned.
The drug dealers are telling the girls the truth, the workers are paid off to let people through, just left out the bit that they will let the other ones through instead.
I still don't think they are "drugged", they are talking well (not slurred) they are making sense and whispering among themselves
Why let them find 11kg of very valuable coke when 1kg would achieve the same result? It doesn't add up.
It's about PR, better to have $1m worth of drugs off the street that €100k. I'll tell you what doesn't add up is the amount of 'coverage' of the arrest and the recording of conversations and 'interviews' with the girls. Something stinks here.
All speculation which can be quite easily explained. It's routine in Latin American countries to record the airport searches especially of Europeans because when they're caught invariably they'll usually accuse corrupt officials in host country of planting evidence. Video taping goes some way to reassuring their own people and courts that such claims are based on not much more that prejudice. To suggest a drug dealer is going to give away $1m worth of drugs as a decoy or PR exercise is frankly outrageous. Not far behind is the suggestion that Peruvian airport police and troops are on the take to boost their income. The Peruvian police are probably the most professional, best trained and efficient of all in central and south America. Those they have working in around Lima, the tourist areas and airports are among the best paid of their police force earning salaries in the region of $30-60k well above average earnings for there and probably most places in the world. Then you have their long history of fighting drug trafficking and a not so inconsequential conflict with the Shinning Path will also have their methods and procedures up to the "best European standards" - to buy out free passage for drugs through an airport would entail bribing loads of the best paid and most professional police and troops in the region - not impossible but extremely unlikely and probably not an expense or risk your average drug dealer is going to try.
At the end of the day the girls were caught bang to rights. Probably out there on the promise of a free holiday and a few grand. Stupid and nieve but the amount of excuses being made for them is ridiculous.
Ulick, I have a friend who lives in Peru and he said the level of corruption among the police out there has to be seen to be believed. The girls were caught and that is clear. To suggest that there may not have been some level of collusion is simply naïve. I know of cases where these 'patsies' have been set up to allow bigger ones to move through. Catch the $1m patsy but the one with $3m gets through. It happens.
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 14, 2013, 02:34:02 PM
They are making a right balls of it with the excuses. Unless they are somehow true.
There is nothing smug about making comments on here, if they weren't caught they wold have exported over 1.5 millions worth of Cocaine to Ibiza - as if there wasn't enough. And made a nice fortune. Maybe they would have went on to being big players down the line.
It was up to them get on a plane to the other side of the world.
f**king wise up ::)
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 14, 2013, 03:26:21 PM
Ulick, I have a friend who lives in Peru and he said the level of corruption among the police out there has to be seen to be believed. The girls were caught and that is clear. To suggest that there may not have been some level of collusion is simply naïve. I know of cases where these 'patsies' have been set up to allow bigger ones to move through. Catch the $1m patsy but the one with $3m gets through. It happens.
And I'd imagine that the $1m is retail value rather than cost price
Quote from: thebigfella on August 14, 2013, 03:28:54 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 14, 2013, 02:34:02 PM
They are making a right balls of it with the excuses. Unless they are somehow true.
There is nothing smug about making comments on here, if they weren't caught they wold have exported over 1.5 millions worth of Cocaine to Ibiza - as if there wasn't enough. And made a nice fortune. Maybe they would have went on to being big players down the line.
It was up to them get on a plane to the other side of the world.
f**king wise up ::)
Wise up yourself. I somehow doubt they would have walked away from Drugs after trying to do a job like that. No serious players - but active in it.
It ruins enough lives.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 14, 2013, 03:32:37 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 14, 2013, 03:26:21 PM
Ulick, I have a friend who lives in Peru and he said the level of corruption among the police out there has to be seen to be believed. The girls were caught and that is clear. To suggest that there may not have been some level of collusion is simply naïve. I know of cases where these 'patsies' have been set up to allow bigger ones to move through. Catch the $1m patsy but the one with $3m gets through. It happens.
And I'd imagine that the $1m is retail value rather than cost price
It's what the police call 'street value' and is therefore an arbitrary amount, generally a bit higher than the real 'street value' as by adding a few more pound on the Police look more efficient.
What happened to the third member of the group that was caught as well?
Won't someone think of him?
(http://i.imgur.com/2CqkYle.jpg)
If I'm reading their version correctly, these girls were picked up randomly and separately when they were alone in a nightclub in Ibiza, by an obese yet charming Cockney (ie not Brad Pitt), with whom they readily agreed to accompany to a house, which was filled with mobsters who (remember the pick up was random) just happened to have pictures of their families, phones nos and addresses etc, and whom the mobsters threatened to kill if the trip to Peru wasn't undertaken? Even Bertie Ahern or Gerry Adams couldn't keep a straight face coming out with that one.
Does it really matter that they were set up as 'patsies'? Even more fool them for doing it. Or does it matter that they have a mum/dad/sister/brother?
Two very foolish girls were caught trying to take drugs from deepest darkest Peru, they could not have been held at gun point on any part of the trip which involved an airport, is there any poster here going to say that they couldn't have got attention to police in any of the 4 airports they have been in? Based on that alone how would a judge view this? I hope this story is true and they were 'kidnapped' but I doubt it.
Tony I've already posted that, waiting on some takers
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 14, 2013, 03:57:48 PM
What happened to the third member of the group that was caught as well?
Won't someone think of him?
(http://i.imgur.com/2CqkYle.jpg)
Deserves arresting for her hairstyle alone.
Sorry, didn't see it. The story is completely implausible. Not condoning the crime, but I suppose you can't help feel a trifle sorry for two 20 year old girls effectively ruining their lives and that of their families, all for the want of a little bit of sense.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 14, 2013, 04:16:09 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 14, 2013, 03:57:48 PM
What happened to the third member of the group that was caught as well?
Won't someone think of him?
(http://i.imgur.com/2CqkYle.jpg)
Deserves arresting for her hairstyle alone.
The guy in the background would be enough of a deterrent for me!!
Quote from: T Fearon on August 14, 2013, 04:10:31 PM
If I'm reading their version correctly, these girls were picked up randomly and separately when they were alone in a nightclub in Ibiza, by an obese yet charming Cockney (ie not Brad Pitt), with whom they readily agreed to accompany to a house, which was filled with mobsters who (remember the pick up was random) just happened to have pictures of their families, phones nos and addresses etc, and whom the mobsters threatened to kill if the trip to Peru wasn't undertaken? Even Bertie Ahern or Gerry Adams couldn't keep a straight face coming out with that one.
Exactly Tony. Nail on the head.
Why did they have their suitcases if they were taken from a nightclub??
Why did they hand over their passports??
How many opportunities would they have passed up to speak to a member of the public or security at these various airports?? Bear in mind that's all over CCTV, im sure any decent lawyer will tear their story to shreds.
Also Melissa Reid said in the video to the anti drugs squad that she didn't know the bags contained drugs. Now she says in her interview to the mirror reporter that the gang showed her how to pack the drugs..?
All smells of bulls#@t to me. I feel sorry for the girls and their families. They have done wrong & deserve to be punished, but I fear that the Peruvian prison system may not offer a humane punishment.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 14, 2013, 03:26:21 PM
Quote from: Ulick on August 14, 2013, 01:54:30 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 14, 2013, 10:14:42 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 14, 2013, 10:04:17 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2013, 09:56:00 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 14, 2013, 09:40:02 AM
How do you know all this?
Why wouldn't it be plausible? In terms of wages they wouldn't get a wile lot of money when working in an airport, getting paid to let ones through and catch others would be as said a win win for everyone concerned.
The drug dealers are telling the girls the truth, the workers are paid off to let people through, just left out the bit that they will let the other ones through instead.
I still don't think they are "drugged", they are talking well (not slurred) they are making sense and whispering among themselves
Why let them find 11kg of very valuable coke when 1kg would achieve the same result? It doesn't add up.
It's about PR, better to have $1m worth of drugs off the street that €100k. I'll tell you what doesn't add up is the amount of 'coverage' of the arrest and the recording of conversations and 'interviews' with the girls. Something stinks here.
All speculation which can be quite easily explained. It's routine in Latin American countries to record the airport searches especially of Europeans because when they're caught invariably they'll usually accuse corrupt officials in host country of planting evidence. Video taping goes some way to reassuring their own people and courts that such claims are based on not much more that prejudice. To suggest a drug dealer is going to give away $1m worth of drugs as a decoy or PR exercise is frankly outrageous. Not far behind is the suggestion that Peruvian airport police and troops are on the take to boost their income. The Peruvian police are probably the most professional, best trained and efficient of all in central and south America. Those they have working in around Lima, the tourist areas and airports are among the best paid of their police force earning salaries in the region of $30-60k well above average earnings for there and probably most places in the world. Then you have their long history of fighting drug trafficking and a not so inconsequential conflict with the Shinning Path will also have their methods and procedures up to the "best European standards" - to buy out free passage for drugs through an airport would entail bribing loads of the best paid and most professional police and troops in the region - not impossible but extremely unlikely and probably not an expense or risk your average drug dealer is going to try.
At the end of the day the girls were caught bang to rights. Probably out there on the promise of a free holiday and a few grand. Stupid and nieve but the amount of excuses being made for them is ridiculous.
Ulick, I have a friend who lives in Peru and he said the level of corruption among the police out there has to be seen to be believed. The girls were caught and that is clear. To suggest that there may not have been some level of collusion is simply naïve. I know of cases where these 'patsies' have been set up to allow bigger ones to move through. Catch the $1m patsy but the one with $3m gets through. It happens.
How does that help the larger amount get through on the way into Spain?
Also if the sacrificial scheme is known on gaaboard would it not also be know to Peruvian authorities?
JFK says the
BC1, what are you on about??!
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 14, 2013, 04:38:52 PM
How does that help the larger amount get through on the way into Spain?
Also if the sacrificial scheme is known on gaaboard would it not also be know to Peruvian authorities?
JFK says the
It's a PR exercise. "Look, we're winning the war against drugs". I'm not saying that's what happened here but it looks like it and it does happen.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 14, 2013, 03:26:21 PM
Quote from: Ulick on August 14, 2013, 01:54:30 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 14, 2013, 10:14:42 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 14, 2013, 10:04:17 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2013, 09:56:00 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 14, 2013, 09:40:02 AM
How do you know all this?
Why wouldn't it be plausible? In terms of wages they wouldn't get a wile lot of money when working in an airport, getting paid to let ones through and catch others would be as said a win win for everyone concerned.
The drug dealers are telling the girls the truth, the workers are paid off to let people through, just left out the bit that they will let the other ones through instead.
I still don't think they are "drugged", they are talking well (not slurred) they are making sense and whispering among themselves
Why let them find 11kg of very valuable coke when 1kg would achieve the same result? It doesn't add up.
It's about PR, better to have $1m worth of drugs off the street that €100k. I'll tell you what doesn't add up is the amount of 'coverage' of the arrest and the recording of conversations and 'interviews' with the girls. Something stinks here.
All speculation which can be quite easily explained. It's routine in Latin American countries to record the airport searches especially of Europeans because when they're caught invariably they'll usually accuse corrupt officials in host country of planting evidence. Video taping goes some way to reassuring their own people and courts that such claims are based on not much more that prejudice. To suggest a drug dealer is going to give away $1m worth of drugs as a decoy or PR exercise is frankly outrageous. Not far behind is the suggestion that Peruvian airport police and troops are on the take to boost their income. The Peruvian police are probably the most professional, best trained and efficient of all in central and south America. Those they have working in around Lima, the tourist areas and airports are among the best paid of their police force earning salaries in the region of $30-60k well above average earnings for there and probably most places in the world. Then you have their long history of fighting drug trafficking and a not so inconsequential conflict with the Shinning Path will also have their methods and procedures up to the "best European standards" - to buy out free passage for drugs through an airport would entail bribing loads of the best paid and most professional police and troops in the region - not impossible but extremely unlikely and probably not an expense or risk your average drug dealer is going to try.
At the end of the day the girls were caught bang to rights. Probably out there on the promise of a free holiday and a few grand. Stupid and nieve but the amount of excuses being made for them is ridiculous.
Ulick, I have a friend who lives in Peru and he said the level of corruption among the police out there has to be seen to be believed. The girls were caught and that is clear. To suggest that there may not have been some level of collusion is simply naïve. I know of cases where these 'patsies' have been set up to allow bigger ones to move through. Catch the $1m patsy but the one with $3m gets through. It happens.
There are five or six different types of cop in Peru and I've no doubt some of those at the bottom, especially in the poorer Andean parts are corrupt, but this all happened in Lima international airport - a different propostion altogether where it's not unknown even for their special forces to be based. Peru is not some central American bananna republic - the likelihood of half of border control, passport control and customs being on the take there is about the same as it happening Rome or Dublin.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 14, 2013, 03:32:37 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 14, 2013, 03:26:21 PM
Ulick, I have a friend who lives in Peru and he said the level of corruption among the police out there has to be seen to be believed. The girls were caught and that is clear. To suggest that there may not have been some level of collusion is simply naïve. I know of cases where these 'patsies' have been set up to allow bigger ones to move through. Catch the $1m patsy but the one with $3m gets through. It happens.
And I'd imagine that the $1m is retail value rather than cost price
Media reports I've read have said £1.5m (aprox $2.5m) - I took the liberty of rounding it down.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2013, 12:20:47 PM
So a few things, the girls didn't know each other prior to going?
The cartel members find out about their new mules, including family members, addresses, phone numbers, plus pictures of loved ones.
Michaella was put on a ferry to Majorca while the other one was in Madrid
Then the other one was brought back to Majorca and is this where they first meet up?
They are also devoid of all make-up and looking withdrawn!! Seriously??
Then they mention of having a fun time in Palma
They then went back to Madrid??? One went first (to Peru) on her own the the other a day later, they then flew to Cuzco picked up drugs and flew back to the same airport in Lima, thats when the sniffer dogs picked them up.
Michaella added: "As we sit in jail I just can't help thinking there is some young British girl in Ibiza in the same situation we were two weeks ago."
I doubt we'll need Columbo for this
I agree. Plus, how does someone threaten her family in Tyrone - do the drug dealers subcontract roughing up Tyronnies to the RA? I cannot envisage that sort of thing.
Firstly, what proportion of drug mules are detected? We've all seen those customs programmes, including the Irish one, where some type of spaniel sniffs all luggage.
Secondly, while some of these from poor countries have family members held hostage, I share the skepticism about this gangs reach in Tyrone.
Do the Colombians do much business in Peru?
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 14, 2013, 05:47:57 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 14, 2013, 04:38:52 PM
How does that help the larger amount get through on the way into Spain?
Also if the sacrificial scheme is known on gaaboard would it not also be know to Peruvian authorities?
JFK says the
It's a PR exercise. "Look, we're winning the war against drugs". I'm not saying that's what happened here but it looks like it and it does happen.
I don't follow? You're saying this was staged by the Peruvian government?
These two have had their lives destroyed, not sure this has sunk in with them yet, but how many more would have had their lives destroyed if this delivery reached its intended destination.
Also if they were flying to another airport after they reached Madrid how the hell did they think they would slip under the radar in one airport never mind two.
A sorry mess for their families to have to deal with.
Quote from: Gaffer on August 14, 2013, 12:56:26 AM
Ok Ranch just lock them up and throw away the key, eh?
If they're guilty and were foolish enough to commit the crime then yeah, fair enough. What do you want, an Irish/British boycott of Peruvian goods?
Quote from: Gaffer on August 14, 2013, 12:56:26 AM
No thought for a defence whatsoever considering their age
They're adults. Age wasn't a worthwhile defence for the killers of James Bulger, I doubt you wanted the same leniency shown to them as you do for these two ladies?
Quote from: Gaffer on August 14, 2013, 12:56:26 AM
Just let them suffer in living hell for the next 10 years or so while multiple murderers live in luxury in a so called jail in your own country without protest from you despite the fact you are paying for it through your taxes?
So you're complaining that these ladies may have to suffer in a Peruvian prison yet you're also giving off about the "luxury" of our own prisons. Make your mind up, you either want one or the other?
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 14, 2013, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 14, 2013, 05:47:57 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 14, 2013, 04:38:52 PM
How does that help the larger amount get through on the way into Spain?
Also if the sacrificial scheme is known on gaaboard would it not also be know to Peruvian authorities?
JFK says the
It's a PR exercise. "Look, we're winning the war against drugs". I'm not saying that's what happened here but it looks like it and it does happen.
I don't follow? You're saying this was staged by the Peruvian government?
:) No, I'm just saying that maybe these girls were made an example of while other mules are allowed to pass through, but maybe I'm being unfair to Peru.
It was a very naive attempt at smuggling. 11 kilos is way too much to bring in your luggage and two young foreign girls coming to Peru for such a short holiday would arouse suspicion anyway. I'm not surprised at the girl's naivety, young as they are, but the people organising this job wouldn't be stupid and I'd be amazed if they really thought they would get away with this.
Girls were forced and as BC1 said, a set-up most likely to let the small amount be caught. Drug-lords have to lose some to get more through, part of the game.
Touts here, tell cops things to keep themselves not banged up. When cops need to then make further arrests they go back to the tout to get more info on something else, otherwise the tout gets pinched for whatever it is he did to get himself into said situation. Happens all over on different levels.
There is NO WAY these girls willingly went into this for the sake of making, lets say 10k (although it would never be as much as that). There is no way they could be so naive to think they would not be caught and gamble the chance of making 10k versus 10-15 years of their lives in jail.
Cant believe the hatred and loathing of these girls on here by people who know next to nothing about drugs, the justice system and such cases. People loath them because they are young, attractive and in the party scene and yes, most likely recreational drug-users.
We cant know for certain the facts and whether or not there was duress. It will be up to a Jury to decide whether or not their stories are true.
In my view there is no way they did this willingly.
Quote from: Gold on August 15, 2013, 09:11:28 AM
Girls were forced and as BC1 said, a set-up most likely to let the small amount be caught. Drug-lords have to lose some to get more through, part of the game.
Touts here, tell cops things to keep themselves not banged up. When cops need to then make further arrests they go back to the tout to get more info on something else, otherwise the tout gets pinched for whatever it is he did to get himself into said situation. Happens all over on different levels.
There is NO WAY these girls willingly went into this for the sake of making, lets say 10k (although it would never be as much as that). There is no way they could be so naive to think they would not be caught and gamble the chance of making 10k versus 10-15 years of their lives in jail.
Cant believe the hatred and loathing of these girls on here by people who know next to nothing about drugs, the justice system and such cases. People loath them because they are young, attractive and in the party scene and yes, most likely recreational drug-users.
We cant know for certain the facts and whether or not there was duress. It will be up to a Jury to decide whether or not their stories are true.
In my view there is no way they did this willingly.
And others have views, by the way what do you have to know about drugs aside from the fact they ruin lives and kill?
party scene Ibiza. These girls maybe wanted to be 'players'. Part of the inner sanctum on the party island. Fed free wingnuts / coke / champagne etc for a few weeks. Now its payback time to the lowlifes who have wined and 'dined' these girls. Maybe a numbers game, some are niave and strung out enough to go through with the drug run, some not. Either way, its a lessen hard learned for this pair.
Gold,
I can accept that once the girls were in Peru they were vulnerable & forced to complete this assigment. But certainly not prior to it.
Do you REALLY believe that someone forced their way into their accommodation (think of the noise? their friends?), made them pack bags & passport, forced them to travel to neighbouring island (Majorca) then forced them in Palma to board a plane into Madrid, then forced them in broad daylight to another safe house in Madrid, ... then forced them back into the airport again & frog marched them onto a plane to Lima??
How many members of the public & security services would they have passed??
CCTV in Madrid & Palma airports will reveal all.
1/33 it shows the girls laughing, sipping cocktails oblivious to the danger they were in!
100/1 it shows them being followed and chaperoned by a couple gun swinging gringo's!
I spent a month in Peru a few years back, and going by what I was told by hostel and hotel owners,
every level of police and customs are corrupt. The advice they give out to travellers is to carry a seperate amount
of cash in order to bribe a policeman if caught doing something petty. I heard plenty of stories of people
who were able to bribe cops with anything from 10 to 100 dollars.
Needless to say, a hundred dollars wouldn't have helped these girls, but hey, it wouldn't surprise me if they
were set up to get caught in order to allow a bigger shipment to go through. After all, the stash they had would only
be worth a few thousand to the local suppliers, and well worth the sacrifice.
Alcohol and tobacco kill way more people than illegal drugs do, yet they are legal and people caught smuggling
either never seem to spend any time in prison or have a social stigma attached to them. The sooner certain drugs
are legalized the better.
This case will run for a while and hopefully the truth will come out, and until then, we have no idea what happened.
Both sets of families are going through hell right now, and I for one can only feel for them.
As bad as the case is, they didn't kill anyone, and they were not carrying bombs or guns.
Quote from: Cold tea on August 15, 2013, 09:18:31 AM
Quote from: Gold on August 15, 2013, 09:11:28 AM
Girls were forced and as BC1 said, a set-up most likely to let the small amount be caught. Drug-lords have to lose some to get more through, part of the game.
Touts here, tell cops things to keep themselves not banged up. When cops need to then make further arrests they go back to the tout to get more info on something else, otherwise the tout gets pinched for whatever it is he did to get himself into said situation. Happens all over on different levels.
There is NO WAY these girls willingly went into this for the sake of making, lets say 10k (although it would never be as much as that). There is no way they could be so naive to think they would not be caught and gamble the chance of making 10k versus 10-15 years of their lives in jail.
Cant believe the hatred and loathing of these girls on here by people who know next to nothing about drugs, the justice system and such cases. People loath them because they are young, attractive and in the party scene and yes, most likely recreational drug-users.
We cant know for certain the facts and whether or not there was duress. It will be up to a Jury to decide whether or not their stories are true.
In my view there is no way they did this willingly.
And others have views, by the way what do you have to know about drugs aside from the fact they ruin lives and kill?
Christ would you ever listen to yourself.
Quote from: thebigfella on August 15, 2013, 09:58:11 AM
Quote from: Cold tea on August 15, 2013, 09:18:31 AM
Quote from: Gold on August 15, 2013, 09:11:28 AM
Girls were forced and as BC1 said, a set-up most likely to let the small amount be caught. Drug-lords have to lose some to get more through, part of the game.
Touts here, tell cops things to keep themselves not banged up. When cops need to then make further arrests they go back to the tout to get more info on something else, otherwise the tout gets pinched for whatever it is he did to get himself into said situation. Happens all over on different levels.
There is NO WAY these girls willingly went into this for the sake of making, lets say 10k (although it would never be as much as that). There is no way they could be so naive to think they would not be caught and gamble the chance of making 10k versus 10-15 years of their lives in jail.
Cant believe the hatred and loathing of these girls on here by people who know next to nothing about drugs, the justice system and such cases. People loath them because they are young, attractive and in the party scene and yes, most likely recreational drug-users.
We cant know for certain the facts and whether or not there was duress. It will be up to a Jury to decide whether or not their stories are true.
In my view there is no way they did this willingly.
And others have views, by the way what do you have to know about drugs aside from the fact they ruin lives and kill?
Christ would you ever listen to yourself.
As said already, they had plenty of time to get attention to police, one girl even mentioned partying in Palma, and this was after them being "kidnapped" it doesn't add up, the parents are, as some have said, living through hell.
I know a lad very well who went to Majorca to meet friends already there, he went to the bar near the hotel and they weren't there, he some how got into a fight with a lad that was there, the fight resulted in the fella being hospitalized and badly hurt, this guy was a local off duty cop!! The lad from Belfast was arrested and charged and spent a couple of years in prison. The young fella had not set out to have a fight but was simply just off the plane and headed to the bar to meet up with friends!!
Some stories about the gaol and how his parents were phoned every week by the prison guards looking money or their son would be hurt or put in isolation. Obviously the parents needed to remortgaged their house to generate money and when he managed to get parole he "escaped" over the border, everything was fine though and I don't think he'll be back in Spain
I wish the high horse brigade would get over themselves. Nobody 'hates' these girls, we just don't feel particularly sorry for them. In the first bit of footage that was released, the girls were asked if they knew they had drugs in their luggage. They anwered no. Now, if you were being 'forced' to take drugs through an airport and were caught, would your immediate reaction not be to spill all asap instead of denying knowledge of the whole thing. I know I'd be doing my level best to alert every security member I could see to what was going on. It's this more than anything which rubbished their 'under duress' bluff.
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Can we expect a statement soon from some organisation in Tyrone detailing statistically how Tyrone is way below other counties in terms of drug users and usage, and detection rates, and how they've been saying the law is an ass etc?
And while some are skeptical about the individuals, everyone feels for the family who have a lot of worry and expense for something they wouldn't do themselves.
Did the court case go ahead yesterday ? Last i had heard, they were waiting to appear ?
I see her Solicitor from Belfast made a statement, yet in reality in Peru she cant access an English speaking Solicitor. Unless he has a Peruvian Certificate to practice I can't see what he has done. But his name is in a lot of newspapers now.
Quote from: southdown on August 15, 2013, 11:29:37 AM
I see her Solicitor from Belfast made a statement, yet in reality in Peru she cant access an English speaking Solicitor. Unless he has a Peruvian Certificate to practice I can't see what he has done. But his name is in a lot of newspapers now.
What I read was that Madden was going to organise legal representation for her. Nothing out of the ordinary.
Quote from: Bensars on August 15, 2013, 11:07:31 AM
Did the court case go ahead yesterday ? Last i had heard, they were waiting to appear ?
Court appearance, not court case. If it goes to trial, that will be a long way off.
From what I have read no representation has been arranged. They got a Peruvian Solicitor who just by chance came across the pair in prison.
From the Bible that is the mirror! http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/peru-drugs-arrests-court-appearance-2164436
Quote from: southdown on August 15, 2013, 11:40:43 AM
From what I have read no representation has been arranged. They got a Peruvian Solicitor who just by chance came across the pair in prison.
Quote from: gallsman on August 15, 2013, 11:34:55 AM
What I read was that Madden was going to organise legal representation for her. Nothing out of the ordinary.
Not going to happen overnight. Prominent as Peter Madden is, I don't imagine he has the number of too many Peruvian lawyers on speed dial.
Latest story now is, Phil Collin's nephew set them up. (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/was-michaella-mccollum-connolly-set-up-in-peru-drugs-bust-by-phil-collins-nephew-29501445.html)
Quote from: give her dixie on August 15, 2013, 09:48:42 AM
I spent a month in Peru a few years back, and going by what I was told by hostel and hotel owners,
every level of police and customs are corrupt. The advice they give out to travellers is to carry a seperate amount
of cash in order to bribe a policeman if caught doing something petty. I heard plenty of stories of people
who were able to bribe cops with anything from 10 to 100 dollars.
Needless to say, a hundred dollars wouldn't have helped these girls, but hey, it wouldn't surprise me if they
were set up to get caught in order to allow a bigger shipment to go through. After all, the stash they had would only
be worth a few thousand to the local suppliers, and well worth the sacrifice.
Alcohol and tobacco kill way more people than illegal drugs do, yet they are legal and people caught smuggling
either never seem to spend any time in prison or have a social stigma attached to them. The sooner certain drugs
are legalized the better.
This case will run for a while and hopefully the truth will come out, and until then, we have no idea what happened.
Both sets of families are going through hell right now, and I for one can only feel for them.
As bad as the case is, they didn't kill anyone, and they were not carrying bombs or guns.
Girl from Dungannon gets caught with a large amount of cocaine, a highly addictive, illegal drug. Man from Dungannon has a list of excuses as long as your arm and tries to compare cocaine to alcohol and tobacco.
I think we are seeing a pattern here.
Quote from: ziggysego on August 15, 2013, 12:01:38 PM
Latest story now is, Phil Collin's nephew set them up. (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/was-michaella-mccollum-connolly-set-up-in-peru-drugs-bust-by-phil-collins-nephew-29501445.html)
They didnt see that one coming
in the air tonight
Getting through that airport would have been against all odds
The story has its Genesis in London, where they will be going loco.
Ms McCollum Connolly said: "I didn't realise drugs were so big here but it happens all the time. The police have said they see girls like us all the time. We've resigned ourselves to the fact that we're not going home soon and are doing jail time here."
Ms Reid and Ms McCollum Connolly said they were given the 24lb (11kg) of cocaine outside their hotel, the Hotel Colonial San Agustin in the capital Lima, the day before were due to fly back to Spain.
Speaking from inside police headquarters in Lima, Ms Reid told one newspaper: "I was the one who went to pick up the drugs outside our hotel.
Should they not be saying anything until they get a solicitor? Story changing all the time ffs!!
As for Phil Collins nephew being involved, that's just another headline that looks good in the papers, he's been in jail over there since April of last year ff.
The bit that annoys me is that they are still saying they were not sure of what they had to bring back, they didn't know until they got to the airport if it was drugs, guns, money, or Quaker (quackers) Oats!!! The Peruvian currency must be popular in Spain, guns?? are they mental thinking taking guns to an airport would be ok??
Story in Belfast Telegraph suggesting that Phil Collins nephew is involved in all of this as well. Seems to me there are too many people causing toom many problems in this Land of Confusion.
Look there are "both sides to every story" here and there won't be "another day in Paradise" and their "true colours" will come out!! Because "Something happened on the way to heaven"
I could go on
He told her not to rush through check in, saying "You can't hurry, love!"
I feel a bit sorry for the two girls because of their age but their excuses are ludicrous. I'd imagine that bullsh!t won't get them anywhere with the Peruvian justice system either. They'd have been better off telling the truth.
Probably, their best plan is to offer as much info as possible and try for a deal on the sentence, maybe serving some in UK.
Hopefully there parents will drill that in to them when they arrive there. Time for the truth. Cooperate fully. Behave well. They could be home in 2 1/2" years.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 15, 2013, 12:06:55 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on August 15, 2013, 09:48:42 AM
I spent a month in Peru a few years back, and going by what I was told by hostel and hotel owners,
every level of police and customs are corrupt. The advice they give out to travellers is to carry a seperate amount
of cash in order to bribe a policeman if caught doing something petty. I heard plenty of stories of people
who were able to bribe cops with anything from 10 to 100 dollars.
Needless to say, a hundred dollars wouldn't have helped these girls, but hey, it wouldn't surprise me if they
were set up to get caught in order to allow a bigger shipment to go through. After all, the stash they had would only
be worth a few thousand to the local suppliers, and well worth the sacrifice.
Alcohol and tobacco kill way more people than illegal drugs do, yet they are legal and people caught smuggling
either never seem to spend any time in prison or have a social stigma attached to them. The sooner certain drugs
are legalized the better.
This case will run for a while and hopefully the truth will come out, and until then, we have no idea what happened.
Both sets of families are going through hell right now, and I for one can only feel for them.
As bad as the case is, they didn't kill anyone, and they were not carrying bombs or guns.
Girl from Dungannon gets caught with a large amount of cocaine, a highly addictive, illegal drug. Man from Dungannon has a list of excuses as long as your arm and tries to compare cocaine to alcohol and tobacco.
I think we are seeing a pattern here.
Sludden, not making any excuses, just trying to shed some light on facts.
In the UK over 100,000 deaths per year are directly linked to alcohol and tobacco, whereas roughly 2,500 people
die from illegal drug use. the majority of those from heroin overdoses.
Several studies have found that nicotine is more addictive than cocaine.
But hey, don't lets facts get in the way.......
Have to laugh at all the experts in here who seem to know exactly how the Peruvian law, justice system, drug lords etc work. No one has a clue really and it is all second guessing. One person claiming the Peruvian police are the best in South America and are on huge wages to justify it, then others saying it is completely corrupt. We are all reading and getting info from the same places on this matter, no one really knows more than the next.
Quote from: supersub on August 15, 2013, 01:51:40 PM
Have to laugh at all the experts in here who seem to know exactly how the Peruvian law, justice system, drug lords etc work. No one has a clue really and it is all second guessing. One person claiming the Peruvian police are the best in South America and are on huge wages to justify it, then others saying it is completely corrupt. We are all reading and getting info from the same places on this matter, no one really knows more than the next.
Aye, but if we only posted on matters that we're genuinely expert on, most of us wouldn't reach 10 posts.
Youtube that Banged Up Abroad in Peru, watched it last night and was very interesting.
Quote from: southdown on August 15, 2013, 02:03:19 PM
Youtube that Banged Up Abroad in Peru, watched it last night and was very interesting.
It's a brilliant show. Always nerve-jangling stuff even though you kind of know what's going to happen.
Quote from: southdown on August 15, 2013, 02:03:19 PM
Youtube that Banged Up Abroad in Peru, watched it last night and was very interesting.
Aye but is it factual? Supersub may tell ya different
I remember watching Midnight Express when I was about 14, the sweat was lashing off me during the scene in the airport ffs and I was only watching a film, can you imagine having the knackers to do it for real?? That should be shown in schools (just that scene as the rest of the film isn't the best)
Good to see they're "resigned" to a jail sentence. That shows a maturity beyond the years they'll be banged up for.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2013, 02:09:23 PM
Quote from: southdown on August 15, 2013, 02:03:19 PM
Youtube that Banged Up Abroad in Peru, watched it last night and was very interesting.
Aye but is it factual? Supersub may tell ya different
I remember watching Midnight Express when I was about 14, the sweat was lashing off me during the scene in the airport ffs and I was only watching a film, can you imagine having the knackers to do it for real?? That should be shown in schools (just that scene as the rest of the film isn't the best)
MR2 Thank you, have been trying to think of the name of the film from the start of this thread, hopefully their experiences wont just be quite a bad as those depicted in that.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 15, 2013, 02:20:15 PM
Good to see they're "resigned" to a jail sentence. That shows a maturity beyond the years they'll be banged up for.
I think they'll have a book and film out of this, defo a banged up "broad" ;) show
Jenifer Lopez will be looking to get in on this, Brazil to Morocco, London to Ibiza straight to LA back to New York, Vegas to Africa staight to Lima!!!
Quote from: ranch on August 15, 2013, 12:24:42 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on August 14, 2013, 12:56:26 AM
Ok Ranch just lock them up and throw away the key, eh?
If they're guilty and were foolish enough to commit the crime then yeah, fair enough. What do you want, an Irish/British boycott of Peruvian goods?
Quote from: Gaffer on August 14, 2013, 12:56:26 AM
No thought for a defence whatsoever considering their age
They're adults. Age wasn't a worthwhile defence for the killers of James Bulger, I doubt you wanted the same leniency shown to them as you do for these two ladies?
Quote from: Gaffer on August 14, 2013, 12:56:26 AM
Just let them suffer in living hell for the next 10 years or so while multiple murderers live in luxury in a so called jail in your own country without protest from you despite the fact you are paying for it through your taxes?
So you're complaining that these ladies may have to suffer in a Peruvian prison yet you're also giving off about the "luxury" of our own prisons. Make your mind up, you either want one or the other?
I have made my mind up. Re-read my previous posts and it ll be clear.
Quote from: give her dixie on August 15, 2013, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 15, 2013, 12:06:55 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on August 15, 2013, 09:48:42 AM
I spent a month in Peru a few years back, and going by what I was told by hostel and hotel owners,
every level of police and customs are corrupt. The advice they give out to travellers is to carry a seperate amount
of cash in order to bribe a policeman if caught doing something petty. I heard plenty of stories of people
who were able to bribe cops with anything from 10 to 100 dollars.
Needless to say, a hundred dollars wouldn't have helped these girls, but hey, it wouldn't surprise me if they
were set up to get caught in order to allow a bigger shipment to go through. After all, the stash they had would only
be worth a few thousand to the local suppliers, and well worth the sacrifice.
Alcohol and tobacco kill way more people than illegal drugs do, yet they are legal and people caught smuggling
either never seem to spend any time in prison or have a social stigma attached to them. The sooner certain drugs
are legalized the better.
This case will run for a while and hopefully the truth will come out, and until then, we have no idea what happened.
Both sets of families are going through hell right now, and I for one can only feel for them.
As bad as the case is, they didn't kill anyone, and they were not carrying bombs or guns.
Girl from Dungannon gets caught with a large amount of cocaine, a highly addictive, illegal drug. Man from Dungannon has a list of excuses as long as your arm and tries to compare cocaine to alcohol and tobacco.
I think we are seeing a pattern here.
Sludden, not making any excuses, just trying to shed some light on facts.
In the UK over 100,000 deaths per year are directly linked to alcohol and tobacco, whereas roughly 2,500 people
die from illegal drug use. the majority of those from heroin overdoses.
Several studies have found that nicotine is more addictive than cocaine.
But hey, don't lets facts get in the way.......
Cocaine, heroin et al are illegal here in Ireland, the UK and even in places like Peru and Colombia.
But hey, don't lets facts get in the way.......
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 15, 2013, 04:11:55 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on August 15, 2013, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 15, 2013, 12:06:55 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on August 15, 2013, 09:48:42 AM
I spent a month in Peru a few years back, and going by what I was told by hostel and hotel owners,
every level of police and customs are corrupt. The advice they give out to travellers is to carry a seperate amount
of cash in order to bribe a policeman if caught doing something petty. I heard plenty of stories of people
who were able to bribe cops with anything from 10 to 100 dollars.
Needless to say, a hundred dollars wouldn't have helped these girls, but hey, it wouldn't surprise me if they
were set up to get caught in order to allow a bigger shipment to go through. After all, the stash they had would only
be worth a few thousand to the local suppliers, and well worth the sacrifice.
Alcohol and tobacco kill way more people than illegal drugs do, yet they are legal and people caught smuggling
either never seem to spend any time in prison or have a social stigma attached to them. The sooner certain drugs
are legalized the better.
This case will run for a while and hopefully the truth will come out, and until then, we have no idea what happened.
Both sets of families are going through hell right now, and I for one can only feel for them.
As bad as the case is, they didn't kill anyone, and they were not carrying bombs or guns.
Girl from Dungannon gets caught with a large amount of cocaine, a highly addictive, illegal drug. Man from Dungannon has a list of excuses as long as your arm and tries to compare cocaine to alcohol and tobacco.
I think we are seeing a pattern here.
Sludden, not making any excuses, just trying to shed some light on facts.
In the UK over 100,000 deaths per year are directly linked to alcohol and tobacco, whereas roughly 2,500 people
die from illegal drug use. the majority of those from heroin overdoses.
Several studies have found that nicotine is more addictive than cocaine.
But hey, don't lets facts get in the way.......
Cocaine, heroin et al are illegal here in Ireland, the UK and even in places like Peru and Colombia.
But hey, don't lets facts get in the way.......
[/quot
Where did I say they were not illegal?
Peter Madden should tell her that You Can't Hurry (Peruvian justice) Love and it will be more than just One More Night in the cells for them and far from Just Another Day In Paradise. It's Against All Odds that Mama will be able to help much and whatever the out come they had best hope that they don't feel anything In The Air Tonight as it could be an Easy Lover interested in showing them a new Groovy Kind Of Love between Two Hearts. They had also best be aware that they are likely to find themselves living Separate Lives as the authorities put them into different parts of the prison
Quote from: give her dixie on August 15, 2013, 04:27:38 PM
Where did I say they were not illegal?
You are comparing them to other legal drugs, which is a whole different argument.
As it stands, prettly little Ms Dungannon has been caught with a suitcase full of Peruvian powder and is facing a long period behind bars. I fail to see how anyone can come on here and make excuses for her.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 15, 2013, 04:32:37 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on August 15, 2013, 04:27:38 PM
Where did I say they were not illegal?
You are comparing them to other legal drugs, which is a whole different argument.
As it stands, prettly little Ms Dungannon has been caught with a suitcase full of Peruvian powder and is facing a long period behind bars. I fail to see how anyone can come on here and make excuses for her.
I think if you re read my posts you will not find me making any excuses for her.
I see the Spanish police aren't impressed with their story.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23737272 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23737272)
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 17, 2013, 09:35:12 AM
I see the Spanish police aren't impressed with their story.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23737272 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23737272)
I think once they get the CCTV pictures from the airports and eye witness reports we'll get a better picture, will the Spanish police get involved now that they claimed they were kidnapped from Spain?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2013, 01:10:19 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 17, 2013, 09:35:12 AM
I see the Spanish police aren't impressed with their story.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23737272 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23737272)
I think once they get the CCTV pictures from the airports and eye witness reports we'll get a better picture, will the Spanish police get involved now that they claimed they were kidnapped from Spain?
Looks like the Scottish girl was quite the party girl before she went travelling.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2395955/Peru-drugs-How-innicent-Melissa-Reid-Michaella-McCollum-Connolly.html
Bored listening and reading about these two, you reap what you sow.
Quote from: give her dixie on August 15, 2013, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 15, 2013, 12:06:55 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on August 15, 2013, 09:48:42 AM
I spent a month in Peru a few years back, and going by what I was told by hostel and hotel owners,
every level of police and customs are corrupt. The advice they give out to travellers is to carry a seperate amount
of cash in order to bribe a policeman if caught doing something petty. I heard plenty of stories of people
who were able to bribe cops with anything from 10 to 100 dollars.
Needless to say, a hundred dollars wouldn't have helped these girls, but hey, it wouldn't surprise me if they
were set up to get caught in order to allow a bigger shipment to go through. After all, the stash they had would only
be worth a few thousand to the local suppliers, and well worth the sacrifice.
Alcohol and tobacco kill way more people than illegal drugs do, yet they are legal and people caught smuggling
either never seem to spend any time in prison or have a social stigma attached to them. The sooner certain drugs
are legalized the better.
This case will run for a while and hopefully the truth will come out, and until then, we have no idea what happened.
Both sets of families are going through hell right now, and I for one can only feel for them.
As bad as the case is, they didn't kill anyone, and they were not carrying bombs or guns.
Girl from Dungannon gets caught with a large amount of cocaine, a highly addictive, illegal drug. Man from Dungannon has a list of excuses as long as your arm and tries to compare cocaine to alcohol and tobacco.
I think we are seeing a pattern here.
Sludden, not making any excuses, just trying to shed some light on facts.
In the UK over 100,000 deaths per year are directly linked to alcohol and tobacco, whereas roughly 2,500 people
die from illegal drug use. the majority of those from heroin overdoses.
Several studies have found that nicotine is more addictive than cocaine.
But hey, don't lets facts get in the way.......
]]
And if illegal drugs were suddenly legalised don't you think the deaths per year due to using them would increase rapidly? Of course they would.
Quote from: ranch on August 17, 2013, 09:59:30 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on August 15, 2013, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 15, 2013, 12:06:55 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on August 15, 2013, 09:48:42 AM
I spent a month in Peru a few years back, and going by what I was told by hostel and hotel owners,
every level of police and customs are corrupt. The advice they give out to travellers is to carry a seperate amount
of cash in order to bribe a policeman if caught doing something petty. I heard plenty of stories of people
who were able to bribe cops with anything from 10 to 100 dollars.
Needless to say, a hundred dollars wouldn't have helped these girls, but hey, it wouldn't surprise me if they
were set up to get caught in order to allow a bigger shipment to go through. After all, the stash they had would only
be worth a few thousand to the local suppliers, and well worth the sacrifice.
Alcohol and tobacco kill way more people than illegal drugs do, yet they are legal and people caught smuggling
either never seem to spend any time in prison or have a social stigma attached to them. The sooner certain drugs
are legalized the better.
This case will run for a while and hopefully the truth will come out, and until then, we have no idea what happened.
Both sets of families are going through hell right now, and I for one can only feel for them.
As bad as the case is, they didn't kill anyone, and they were not carrying bombs or guns.
Girl from Dungannon gets caught with a large amount of cocaine, a highly addictive, illegal drug. Man from Dungannon has a list of excuses as long as your arm and tries to compare cocaine to alcohol and tobacco.
I think we are seeing a pattern here.
Sludden, not making any excuses, just trying to shed some light on facts.
In the UK over 100,000 deaths per year are directly linked to alcohol and tobacco, whereas roughly 2,500 people
die from illegal drug use. the majority of those from heroin overdoses.
Several studies have found that nicotine is more addictive than cocaine.
But hey, don't lets facts get in the way.......
]]
And if illegal drugs were suddenly legalised don't you think the deaths per year due to using them would increase rapidly? Of course they would.
Or another way to look at it would be:
How many lives would be saved if alcohol and tobacco was banned?
Quote from: give her dixie on August 18, 2013, 12:28:06 AM
Quote from: ranch on August 17, 2013, 09:59:30 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on August 15, 2013, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 15, 2013, 12:06:55 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on August 15, 2013, 09:48:42 AM
I spent a month in Peru a few years back, and going by what I was told by hostel and hotel owners,
every level of police and customs are corrupt. The advice they give out to travellers is to carry a seperate amount
of cash in order to bribe a policeman if caught doing something petty. I heard plenty of stories of people
who were able to bribe cops with anything from 10 to 100 dollars.
Needless to say, a hundred dollars wouldn't have helped these girls, but hey, it wouldn't surprise me if they
were set up to get caught in order to allow a bigger shipment to go through. After all, the stash they had would only
be worth a few thousand to the local suppliers, and well worth the sacrifice.
Alcohol and tobacco kill way more people than illegal drugs do, yet they are legal and people caught smuggling
either never seem to spend any time in prison or have a social stigma attached to them. The sooner certain drugs
are legalized the better.
This case will run for a while and hopefully the truth will come out, and until then, we have no idea what happened.
Both sets of families are going through hell right now, and I for one can only feel for them.
As bad as the case is, they didn't kill anyone, and they were not carrying bombs or guns.
Girl from Dungannon gets caught with a large amount of cocaine, a highly addictive, illegal drug. Man from Dungannon has a list of excuses as long as your arm and tries to compare cocaine to alcohol and tobacco.
I think we are seeing a pattern here.
Sludden, not making any excuses, just trying to shed some light on facts.
In the UK over 100,000 deaths per year are directly linked to alcohol and tobacco, whereas roughly 2,500 people
die from illegal drug use. the majority of those from heroin overdoses.
Several studies have found that nicotine is more addictive than cocaine.
But hey, don't lets facts get in the way.......
]]
And if illegal drugs were suddenly legalised don't you think the deaths per year due to using them would increase rapidly? Of course they would.
Or another way to look at it would be:
How many lives would be saved if alcohol and tobacco was banned?
Indeed. But that further highlights how pointless it was to compare the deaths per year arising from alcohol and cocaine use.
Silly argument. We all know alcohol is not going to be banned. You may as well discuss banning all cars from the roads to cut road deaths.
How about we ban Britain and USA? Between both they've killed more innocent people than Hiltler, Stalin and cocaine put together!
Quote from: southdown on August 15, 2013, 02:03:19 PM
Youtube that Banged Up Abroad in Peru, watched it last night and was very interesting.
Read the article in the Irish Mail on Sunday and then decided to watch banged up abroad show above - looks like the exact same thing could of happened. Either that or IMoS journalist just copied that story.
I think someone should show the girls this documentary as the only thing they can do now is damage limitation - co operate and get lighter sentences.
I think they may have been going through same emotions as these American girls i.e. okay we were caught but we are still going to go home cause we weren't behind it. They may have came down to earth with a bang by now.
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on August 19, 2013, 12:16:03 PM
Quote from: southdown on August 15, 2013, 02:03:19 PM
Youtube that Banged Up Abroad in Peru, watched it last night and was very interesting.
Read the article in the Irish Mail on Sunday and then decided to watch banged up abroad show above - looks like the exact same thing could of happened. Either that or IMoS journalist just copied that story.
I think someone should show the girls this documentary as the only thing they can do now is damage limitation - co operate and get lighter sentences.
I think they may have been going through same emotions as these American girls i.e. okay we were caught but we are still going to go home cause we weren't behind it. They may have came down to earth with a bang by now.
There was a woman on last night (from the Wee 6 by the sounds of her) who is 2 years into an 8 year stretch in the same jail these girls are destined for. She says they have no option but to plead guilty and reduce their sentence, as like her, they have no obvious means of proving their innocence.
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Scandalous stereotype comment there!
Quote from: under the bar on August 18, 2013, 09:43:18 PM
How about we ban Britain and USA? Between both they've killed more innocent people than Hiltler, Stalin and cocaine put together!
And everywhere the brits go there is a paddy in tow. Nothing as sure as shite.
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 15, 2013, 02:01:04 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 15, 2013, 01:51:40 PM
Have to laugh at all the experts in here who seem to know exactly how the Peruvian law, justice system, drug lords etc work. No one has a clue really and it is all second guessing. One person claiming the Peruvian police are the best in South America and are on huge wages to justify it, then others saying it is completely corrupt. We are all reading and getting info from the same places on this matter, no one really knows more than the next.
Aye, but if we only posted on matters that we're genuinely expert on, most of us wouldn't reach 10 posts.
Indeed but the fact one person is claiming it is one of the best justice systems etc and another saying it is the most corrupt....bit of a difference there.
Quote from: supersub on August 20, 2013, 01:45:19 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 15, 2013, 02:01:04 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 15, 2013, 01:51:40 PM
Have to laugh at all the experts in here who seem to know exactly how the Peruvian law, justice system, drug lords etc work. No one has a clue really and it is all second guessing. One person claiming the Peruvian police are the best in South America and are on huge wages to justify it, then others saying it is completely corrupt. We are all reading and getting info from the same places on this matter, no one really knows more than the next.
Aye, but if we only posted on matters that we're genuinely expert on, most of us wouldn't reach 10 posts.
Indeed but the fact one person is claiming it is one of the best justice systems etc and another saying it is the most corrupt....bit of a difference there.
All I would say about my position and on the corruption involved in the Peruvian system is that I have a good friend who owns a Trading company in Lima and he told me that the cops are corrupt as f**k. Also I stated about the girls being set up to allow drugs to flow through with other mules, I know from informed sources dealing with similar cases that this is the type of thing that happens. What I know is not gleaned from on-line reporting or from talking to a fella down the pub.
Heard the Madden guy on today saying she didn't have the drugs or something along those lines, would they ever just own up already!!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 20, 2013, 02:16:53 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 20, 2013, 01:45:19 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 15, 2013, 02:01:04 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 15, 2013, 01:51:40 PM
Have to laugh at all the experts in here who seem to know exactly how the Peruvian law, justice system, drug lords etc work. No one has a clue really and it is all second guessing. One person claiming the Peruvian police are the best in South America and are on huge wages to justify it, then others saying it is completely corrupt. We are all reading and getting info from the same places on this matter, no one really knows more than the next.
Aye, but if we only posted on matters that we're genuinely expert on, most of us wouldn't reach 10 posts.
Indeed but the fact one person is claiming it is one of the best justice systems etc and another saying it is the most corrupt....bit of a difference there.
All I would say about my position and on the corruption involved in the Peruvian system is that I have a good friend who owns a Trading company in Lima and he told me that the cops are corrupt as f**k. Also I stated about the girls being set up to allow drugs to flow through with other mules, I know from informed sources dealing with similar cases that this is the type of thing that happens. What I know is not gleaned from on-line reporting or from talking to a fella down the pub.
fair enough, but it does not in any way take away from the reality that they were in the process of smuggling drugs, it just explains why they were caught.
if the police were not corrupt or they were not the Patsys then maybe they would have gotten away with it, or maybe not, who knows.
they were still drug smugglers (bad drug smugglers obviously) who got caught smuggling drugs.
They are off to court now, should be interesting
Allow me per usual to lower the tone of the thread,
She is a lovely bit of stuff, does she have any GAA connections??
BBC Reporting - Two women from the UK arrested in Peru on suspicion of drug smuggling have been charged and face a maximum sentence of 15 years if convicted.
This say's it all
"police do not believe the girls' story, and prosecutors are thought to want them to serve the maximum prison term after becoming frustrated with their version of events"
Change the story girls, bad advice from their legal team if you ask me
I think from the outset they should try and work on serving their sentence back home. Make a deal that if they plead guilty and co-operate fully they should be allowed to serve time in the UK instead.
They could argue that if they provide info on the gang that is involved they wouldnt be safe in a Peruvian jail. If they can be transferred back to the UK they would be safe from any retribution and so could provide as much information as possible.
There is a prisoner transfer agreement between UK & Peru - dont know if there is one between Ireland & Peru - but the girl from Dungannon counts as a British citizen for this purpose anyway.
I think a big shot like Peter Madden should be able to see if there is any possibility in this.
Probably shouldnt judge where she is from but Dungannon wouldnt exactly be a drugs free zone if you know what I mean...................
Is it just me or does Peter Madden appear to be trying to wind the Peruvians up?
Demanding a meeting with the Minister for Justice and complaining about their legal system doesn't look like a good way to look after your client's interests, while pedaling a defence story that nobody believes.
If some Peruvian lawyer representing suspected drug mules arrived at Heathrow demanding to meet the Home Secretary the Brits would quickly tell him to f*** away off.
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 21, 2013, 09:30:53 AM
Is it just me or does Peter Madden appear to be trying to wind the Peruvians up?
It's certainly an interesting approach. Fancy western lawyer turning up in Peru and criticizing the judicial system from top to bottom is unlikely to gain much favour.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2013, 09:26:56 AM
Probably shouldnt judge where she is from but Dungannon wouldnt exactly be a drugs free zone if you know what I mean...................
I'd never heard that before - would Dungannon be worse than any other town of similar size? Where would the main non drugs free zones in the town be?
Quote from: take_yer_points on August 21, 2013, 09:52:57 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2013, 09:26:56 AM
Probably shouldnt judge where she is from but Dungannon wouldnt exactly be a drugs free zone if you know what I mean...................
Not sticking up for Dungannon but ye must be full.
Surely it's standard practice for any Taig lawyer to accuse the system of being biased.
Does she have a Peruvian Lawyer yet?
Quote from: deiseach on August 21, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
Surely it's standard practice for any Taig lawyer to accuse the system of being biased.
I'd say Peru is a Catholic country so he can't play that card, that's him beat ffs
Quote from: deiseach on August 21, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
Surely it's standard practice for any Taig lawyer to accuse the system of being biased.
That sounds like a statement the RUC special branch would have issued in the 80's.
Will this case be known as M&M?
Quote from: T Fearon on August 21, 2013, 10:50:20 AM
Will this case be known as M&M?
Dunno, but open a new thread on it :P
Quote from: sheamy on August 21, 2013, 10:39:20 AM
Quote from: deiseach on August 21, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
Surely it's standard practice for any Taig lawyer to accuse the system of being biased.
That sounds like a statement the RUC special branch would have issued in the 80's.
Nonsense. They would never have been so crass as to be quoted using the word 'Taig' or 'Fenian'.
Quote from: sheamy on August 21, 2013, 11:10:20 AM
Quote from: deiseach on August 21, 2013, 10:57:31 AM
Quote from: sheamy on August 21, 2013, 10:39:20 AM
Quote from: deiseach on August 21, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
Surely it's standard practice for any Taig lawyer to accuse the system of being biased.
That sounds like a statement the RUC special branch would have issued in the 80's.
Nonsense. They would never have been so crass as to be quoted using the word 'Taig' or 'Fenian'.
You think? I didn't say who they issued it to ;)
;D
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 10:27:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2013, 10:20:10 AM
Quote from: deiseach on August 21, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
Surely it's standard practice for any Taig lawyer to accuse the system of being biased.
I'd say Peru is a Catholic country so he can't play that card, that's him beat ffs
Isn't Madden a Protestant?
Is he? Kids were in school with me and raised Catholic.
Quote from: gallsman on August 21, 2013, 01:04:55 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 10:27:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2013, 10:20:10 AM
Quote from: deiseach on August 21, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
Surely it's standard practice for any Taig lawyer to accuse the system of being biased.
I'd say Peru is a Catholic country so he can't play that card, that's him beat ffs
Isn't Madden a Protestant?
Is he? Kids were in school with me and raised Catholic.
How the f*ck is the solicitor's religion relevent in a drugs smuggling case in Peru?
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 01:11:27 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 21, 2013, 01:04:55 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 10:27:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2013, 10:20:10 AM
Quote from: deiseach on August 21, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
Surely it's standard practice for any Taig lawyer to accuse the system of being biased.
I'd say Peru is a Catholic country so he can't play that card, that's him beat ffs
Isn't Madden a Protestant?
Is he? Kids were in school with me and raised Catholic.
How the f*ck is the solicitor's religion relevent in a drugs smuggling case in Peru?
Ha!
Classic case of a tongue-in-cheek joke becoming a statement of fact and then causing great fuss.
Quote from: Orior on August 21, 2013, 01:23:16 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 01:11:27 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 21, 2013, 01:04:55 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 10:27:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2013, 10:20:10 AM
Quote from: deiseach on August 21, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
Surely it's standard practice for any Taig lawyer to accuse the system of being biased.
I'd say Peru is a Catholic country so he can't play that card, that's him beat ffs
Isn't Madden a Protestant?
Is he? Kids were in school with me and raised Catholic.
How the f*ck is the solicitor's religion relevent in a drugs smuggling case in Peru?
Ha!
Classic case of a tongue-in-cheek joke becoming a statement of fact and then causing great fuss.
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Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 01:11:27 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 21, 2013, 01:04:55 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 10:27:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2013, 10:20:10 AM
Quote from: deiseach on August 21, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
Surely it's standard practice for any Taig lawyer to accuse the system of being biased.
I'd say Peru is a Catholic country so he can't play that card, that's him beat ffs
Isn't Madden a Protestant?
Is he? Kids were in school with me and raised Catholic.
How the f*ck is the solicitor's religion relevent in a drugs smuggling case in Peru?
Keep taking the Valium!
Quote from: Franko on August 21, 2013, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 01:11:27 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 21, 2013, 01:04:55 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 10:27:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2013, 10:20:10 AM
Quote from: deiseach on August 21, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
Surely it's standard practice for any Taig lawyer to accuse the system of being biased.
I'd say Peru is a Catholic country so he can't play that card, that's him beat ffs
Isn't Madden a Protestant?
Is he? Kids were in school with me and raised Catholic.
How the f*ck is the solicitor's religion relevent in a drugs smuggling case in Peru?
Keep taking the Valium!
Ahh the old ad hominem as usual.
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 01:38:33 PM
Quote from: Franko on August 21, 2013, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 01:11:27 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 21, 2013, 01:04:55 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 10:27:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2013, 10:20:10 AM
Quote from: deiseach on August 21, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
Surely it's standard practice for any Taig lawyer to accuse the system of being biased.
I'd say Peru is a Catholic country so he can't play that card, that's him beat ffs
Isn't Madden a Protestant?
Is he? Kids were in school with me and raised Catholic.
How the f*ck is the solicitor's religion relevent in a drugs smuggling case in Peru?
Keep taking the Valium!
Ahh the old ad hominem as usual.
Which quote when you read back is the serious one... Muppet?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2013, 01:48:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 01:38:33 PM
Quote from: Franko on August 21, 2013, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 01:11:27 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 21, 2013, 01:04:55 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 10:27:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2013, 10:20:10 AM
Quote from: deiseach on August 21, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
Surely it's standard practice for any Taig lawyer to accuse the system of being biased.
I'd say Peru is a Catholic country so he can't play that card, that's him beat ffs
Isn't Madden a Protestant?
Is he? Kids were in school with me and raised Catholic.
How the f*ck is the solicitor's religion relevent in a drugs smuggling case in Peru?
Keep taking the Valium!
Ahh the old ad hominem as usual.
Which quote when you read back is the serious one... Muppet?
"Is he? Kids were in school with me and raised Catholic". This was serious and Gallsman, who obviously knows the people, presumed the previous one was serious too.
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 01:38:33 PM
Quote from: Franko on August 21, 2013, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 01:11:27 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 21, 2013, 01:04:55 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 10:27:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2013, 10:20:10 AM
Quote from: deiseach on August 21, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
Surely it's standard practice for any Taig lawyer to accuse the system of being biased.
I'd say Peru is a Catholic country so he can't play that card, that's him beat ffs
Isn't Madden a Protestant?
Is he? Kids were in school with me and raised Catholic.
How the f*ck is the solicitor's religion relevent in a drugs smuggling case in Peru?
Keep taking the Valium!
Ahh the old ad hominem as usual.
Ah would ya relax... ::) Long day?
Quote from: Franko on August 21, 2013, 01:51:15 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 01:38:33 PM
Quote from: Franko on August 21, 2013, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 01:11:27 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 21, 2013, 01:04:55 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 10:27:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2013, 10:20:10 AM
Quote from: deiseach on August 21, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
Surely it's standard practice for any Taig lawyer to accuse the system of being biased.
I'd say Peru is a Catholic country so he can't play that card, that's him beat ffs
Isn't Madden a Protestant?
Is he? Kids were in school with me and raised Catholic.
How the f*ck is the solicitor's religion relevent in a drugs smuggling case in Peru?
Keep taking the Valium!
Ahh the old ad hominem as usual.
Ah would ya relax... ::) Long day?
Bored silly.
Just bought Angry Birds for the young lad to keep him quiet.
Probably not a good idea.
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2013, 01:48:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 01:38:33 PM
Quote from: Franko on August 21, 2013, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 01:11:27 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 21, 2013, 01:04:55 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 10:27:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2013, 10:20:10 AM
Quote from: deiseach on August 21, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
Surely it's standard practice for any Taig lawyer to accuse the system of being biased.
I'd say Peru is a Catholic country so he can't play that card, that's him beat ffs
Isn't Madden a Protestant?
Is he? Kids were in school with me and raised Catholic.
How the f*ck is the solicitor's religion relevent in a drugs smuggling case in Peru?
Keep taking the Valium!
Ahh the old ad hominem as usual.
Which quote when you read back is the serious one... Muppet?
"Is he? Kids were in school with me and raised Catholic". This was serious and Gallsman, who obviously knows the people, presumed the previous one was serious too.
"Is he" was, are you serious???
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 01:53:04 PM
Quote from: Franko on August 21, 2013, 01:51:15 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 01:38:33 PM
Quote from: Franko on August 21, 2013, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 01:11:27 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 21, 2013, 01:04:55 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 21, 2013, 10:27:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2013, 10:20:10 AM
Quote from: deiseach on August 21, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
Surely it's standard practice for any Taig lawyer to accuse the system of being biased.
I'd say Peru is a Catholic country so he can't play that card, that's him beat ffs
Isn't Madden a Protestant?
Is he? Kids were in school with me and raised Catholic.
How the f*ck is the solicitor's religion relevent in a drugs smuggling case in Peru?
Keep taking the Valium!
Ahh the old ad hominem as usual.
Ah would ya relax... ::) Long day?
Bored silly.
Just bought Angry Birds for the young lad to keep him quiet.
Probably not a good idea.
Dont start it...!
MR2
"Is he?" meant Gallsman took the question seriously, and obviously seemed to disagree.
This may be some subliminal 6 county joke where everyone's religion is questioned and it is hilarious for some reason.
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 01:50:18 PM
"Is he? Kids were in school with me and raised Catholic". This was serious and Gallsman, who obviously knows the people, presumed the previous one was serious too.
I presumed it was serious and answered accordingly. Never said anything about it being relevant.
So they have pleaded not guilty, could be a lengthy wait for a Trial and this time will be spent in jail. IF (we will see) they are found guilty they will get a sentence at the top end of the sentencing guidelines. If acquitted they will still have spent along time in a Peruvian prison.
Guilty or not, they are in for a rough ride.
Quote from: take_yer_points on August 21, 2013, 09:52:57 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2013, 09:26:56 AM
Probably shouldnt judge where she is from but Dungannon wouldnt exactly be a drugs free zone if you know what I mean...................
I'd never heard that before - would Dungannon be worse than any other town of similar size? Where would the main non drugs free zones in the town be?
Yes, yes it would.
Omagh and Cookstown are pretty drug free.
Strabane has cleaned up its act in recent years.
In conclusion - Dungannon = rife with drugs.
Quote from: southdown on August 21, 2013, 02:33:57 PM
So they have pleaded not guilty, could be a lengthy wait for a Trial and this time will be spent in jail. IF (we will see) they are found guilty they will get a sentence at the top end of the sentencing guidelines. If acquitted they will still have spent along time in a Peruvian prison.
Guilty or not, they are in for a rough ride.
I would ;)
Quote from: gallsman on August 21, 2013, 02:28:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 01:50:18 PM
"Is he? Kids were in school with me and raised Catholic". This was serious and Gallsman, who obviously knows the people, presumed the previous one was serious too.
I presumed it was serious and answered accordingly. Never said anything about it being relevant.
Quote from: hardstation on August 21, 2013, 02:20:00 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 02:01:51 PM
MR2
"Is he?" meant Gallsman took the question seriously, and obviously seemed to disagree.
This may be some subliminal 6 county joke where everyone's religion is questioned and it is hilarious for some reason.
Or he knows his family, went to a Catholic Convent school with them and didn't realise that Peter was a Prod, which I don't think he is btw.
It probably would have ended there, only for you.
QED.
That is two others who also took it seriously.
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 02:01:51 PM
MR2
"Is he?" meant Gallsman took the question seriously, and obviously seemed to disagree.
This may be some subliminal 6 county joke where everyone's religion is questioned and it is hilarious for some reason.
Everyone knows you can't make an informed judgement of someones character unless you know what religious belief structure they were indoctrinated into in their youth.
Quote from: johnneycool on August 21, 2013, 02:51:45 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 02:01:51 PM
MR2
"Is he?" meant Gallsman took the question seriously, and obviously seemed to disagree.
This may be some subliminal 6 county joke where everyone's religion is questioned and it is hilarious for some reason.
Everyone knows you can't make an informed judgement of someones character unless you know what religious belief structure they were indoctrinated into in their youth.
True.
Have we a record of his church attendance and religious instruction in school?
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2013, 02:38:27 PM
Quote from: take_yer_points on August 21, 2013, 09:52:57 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2013, 09:26:56 AM
Probably shouldnt judge where she is from but Dungannon wouldnt exactly be a drugs free zone if you know what I mean...................
I'd never heard that before - would Dungannon be worse than any other town of similar size? Where would the main non drugs free zones in the town be?
Yes, yes it would.
Omagh and Cookstown are pretty drug free.
Strabane has cleaned up its act in recent years.
In conclusion - Dungannon = rife with drugs.
I had my doubts about your claims so decided to do some research to find the number of drug related crime/incidents in each of the towns you mentioned and a few others for January to June 2013 (http://www.nicrimemaps.org):
Dungannon 20
Omagh 21
Cookstown 21
Strabane 6
Lurgan 42
Ballymena 35
Coleraine 38
Conclusion: You're right about Strabane (it is also the most crime free of the 4 towns you mentioned by a long long way) - Omagh and Cookstown are not drug free and Dungannon has less drug crime/incidents than both.
There were 5 people arrested in Cookstown on heroin charges a couple of days ago
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23769215
There were drugs in Cookstown 20 years ago. I doubt if it would be too drug-free these days
Quote from: No Soloing on August 21, 2013, 03:32:47 PM
There were 5 people arrested in Cookstown on heroin charges a couple of days ago
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23769215
There were drugs in Cookstown 20 years ago. I doubt if it would be too drug-free these days
I think it takes until about the 10th of the month for that site I used to update for the previous month. It's very useful - you can get crime stats by type of crime down to post code level
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 02:54:27 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 21, 2013, 02:51:45 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 02:01:51 PM
MR2
"Is he?" meant Gallsman took the question seriously, and obviously seemed to disagree.
This may be some subliminal 6 county joke where everyone's religion is questioned and it is hilarious for some reason.
Everyone knows you can't make an informed judgement of someones character unless you know what religious belief structure they were indoctrinated into in their youth.
True.
Have we a record of his church attendance and religious instruction in school?
That's totally irrelevant, you only need the background, all that other stuff is waffle and won't change your initial prejudices in one way or another.
Quote from: johnneycool on August 21, 2013, 04:09:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 02:54:27 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 21, 2013, 02:51:45 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 02:01:51 PM
MR2
"Is he?" meant Gallsman took the question seriously, and obviously seemed to disagree.
This may be some subliminal 6 county joke where everyone's religion is questioned and it is hilarious for some reason.
Everyone knows you can't make an informed judgement of someones character unless you know what religious belief structure they were indoctrinated into in their youth.
True.
Have we a record of his church attendance and religious instruction in school?
That's totally irrelevant, you only need the background, all that other stuff is waffle and won't change your initial prejudices in one way or another.
Ah right, so we only need a headline or a sound byte and we are away in a hack.
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 04:13:47 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 21, 2013, 04:09:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 02:54:27 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 21, 2013, 02:51:45 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 02:01:51 PM
MR2
"Is he?" meant Gallsman took the question seriously, and obviously seemed to disagree.
This may be some subliminal 6 county joke where everyone's religion is questioned and it is hilarious for some reason.
Everyone knows you can't make an informed judgement of someones character unless you know what religious belief structure they were indoctrinated into in their youth.
True.
Have we a record of his church attendance and religious instruction in school?
That's totally irrelevant, you only need the background, all that other stuff is waffle and won't change your initial prejudices in one way or another.
Ah right, so we only need a headline or a sound byte and we are away in a hack.
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They have no blankets now ffs!!
Massive drug problem in Blayney.....very hard to get your hands on good stuff, market flooded with crap, heavily cut stuff.....serious problem ;) :P
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2013, 04:22:53 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 04:13:47 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 21, 2013, 04:09:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 02:54:27 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 21, 2013, 02:51:45 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 21, 2013, 02:01:51 PM
MR2
"Is he?" meant Gallsman took the question seriously, and obviously seemed to disagree.
This may be some subliminal 6 county joke where everyone's religion is questioned and it is hilarious for some reason.
Everyone knows you can't make an informed judgement of someones character unless you know what religious belief structure they were indoctrinated into in their youth.
True.
Have we a record of his church attendance and religious instruction in school?
That's totally irrelevant, you only need the background, all that other stuff is waffle and won't change your initial prejudices in one way or another.
Ah right, so we only need a headline or a sound byte and we are away in a hack.
ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
They have no blankets now ffs!!
You weren't that bothered about blankets a while ago!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2013, 02:38:54 PM
Quote from: southdown on August 21, 2013, 02:33:57 PM
So they have pleaded not guilty, could be a lengthy wait for a Trial and this time will be spent in jail. IF (we will see) they are found guilty they will get a sentence at the top end of the sentencing guidelines. If acquitted they will still have spent along time in a Peruvian prison.
Guilty or not, they are in for a rough ride.
I would ;)
No bail, as the pics in Lima were a giveaway. "Didn't see that coming http://t.co/3HShTvZaIQ
We'll not hear much about them now for another couple of years.
Has anyone else noticed that the swapped clothes? Shows what their priorities are during this very stressful period, god forbid they would be seen wearing the same outfit two days in a row on TV. Sums up these Girls.
The Times
If the prospect of spending the next 25 years in a South American prison was troubling them, you would have struggled to know it from their wish list.
A note requesting essentials by the so-called "Peru Two", Michaella McCollum Connolly and Melissa Reid, reads more like a last minute reminder of items to take on holiday.
Included on the shopping list was baby oil, hair removal cream, Nivea moisturiser, a pack of cards, a sports bra, size 32FF, toilet roll, envelopes and stamps.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/americas/article3849691.ece (http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/americas/article3849691.ece)
Yes. It's important to be nice and hairless when in a Peru jail.
Swapping the clothes baffles me. WTF was that about? A covert signal to someone? Are they totally insane.
Jesus - only the out and out loons must think these brazen young wans are poor innocent lambs.
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 22, 2013, 11:09:29 AM
The Times
If the prospect of spending the next 25 years in a South American prison was troubling them, you would have struggled to know it from their wish list.
A note requesting essentials by the so-called "Peru Two", Michaella McCollum Connolly and Melissa Reid, reads more like a last minute reminder of items to take on holiday.
Included on the shopping list was baby oil, hair removal cream, Nivea moisturiser, a pack of cards, a sports bra, size 32FF, toilet roll, envelopes and stamps.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/americas/article3849691.ece (http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/americas/article3849691.ece)
I doubt this one must be for the Scottish blade.
Taking the heat off the girls temporarily, the Indo reports that an ex top GAA club player has been arrested in south Dublin for driving a car carrying €490k worth of cannabis. No name given http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gaa-star-held-in-490k-drug-raid-29521678.html
Quote from: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on August 23, 2013, 09:58:36 AM
Taking the heat off the girls temporarily, the Indo reports that an ex top GAA club player has been arrested in south Dublin for driving a car carrying €490k worth of cannabis. No name given http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gaa-star-held-in-490k-drug-raid-29521678.html
Cue a visit from dublinfella ::)
Quotean ex top GAA club player
FFS - how vacuous a link is that
Quote from: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on August 23, 2013, 09:58:36 AM
Taking the heat off the girls temporarily, the Indo reports that an ex top GAA club player has been arrested in south Dublin for driving a car carrying €490k worth of cannabis. No name given http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gaa-star-held-in-490k-drug-raid-29521678.html
I'd expect Liam O'Neill to be issuing a statement on behalf of the GAA, FFS, what a tenuous link, does he play golf or snooker as well? He might play the odd bit of indoor soccer..
32FF? That could be the biggest lie of all!
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2013, 12:50:14 PM
32FF? That could be the biggest lie of all!
Maybe the extra space will be used for smuggling something or other?
They have set up a fund for anyone that wants to donate to fund their legal fees.
The wristbands will be out next.
Quote from: Minder on August 23, 2013, 04:19:51 PM
They have set up a fund for anyone that wants to donate to fund their legal fees.
Sweet Lord.
These ones have brass necks.
Quote from: Minder on August 23, 2013, 04:19:51 PM
They have set up a fund for anyone that wants to donate to fund their legal fees.
What do you get in return ? Is it a box of Oatmeal plus a signed card from both Girls every month so you know that they are ok .
I'm going to donate all my winnings from backing Tyrone on win on Sunday!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2013, 05:53:23 PM
I'm going to donate all my winnings from backing Tyrone on win on Sunday!
Why don't ye sent over the blanket.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/lecale2/Teeshirt.png)
Quote from: muppet on August 23, 2013, 05:55:18 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2013, 05:53:23 PM
I'm going to donate all my winnings from backing Tyrone on win on Sunday!
Why don't ye sent over the blanket.
They'll hardly need a blanket, seems a very warm friendly place
(http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01788/Jail2_1788511a.jpg)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2013, 06:52:20 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 23, 2013, 05:55:18 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2013, 05:53:23 PM
I'm going to donate all my winnings from backing Tyrone on win on Sunday!
Why don't ye sent over the blanket.
They'll hardly need a blanket, seems a very warm friendly place
They've just been told there's a 32FF coming....
(http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01788/Jail2_1788511a.jpg)
Quote from: Minder on August 23, 2013, 04:19:51 PM
They have set up a fund for anyone that wants to donate to fund their legal fees.
Is Mickey Harte involved yet? ::)
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 23, 2013, 10:44:39 AM
Quote from: Declan on August 23, 2013, 10:29:52 AM
Quotean ex top GAA club player
FFS - how vacuous a link is that
sure that could be the whoor rory g at the rate he thru himself around the country ;)
Or the other lad, tho I spose he'd get tipped off this time! ;)
No body could be so gullible to support these two,or former billionaires holding rallies in border villages to drum up support after they failed to pay their due to the Country they claim to love so much? Nobody would be that gullible?
Quote from: T Fearon on August 24, 2013, 12:01:55 AM
Nobody would be that gullible?
Excellent stuff from Mr Brady's 'Smithers' ::)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1234184_714772125204796_1554931805_n.jpg)
Couldn't resist
Milltown
That's brilliant!
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 26, 2013, 12:38:45 AM
As a parent of 2 teenagers I don't really wish to will bad luck on anyone but if either of those kids fall by the wayside over the next 15 or so years I'd find it hard to have sympathy for them or their parents
Posting when pished?
Quote from: Cold tea on August 26, 2013, 07:56:23 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 26, 2013, 12:38:45 AM
As a parent of 2 teenagers I don't really wish to will bad luck on anyone but if either of those kids fall by the wayside over the next 15 or so years I'd find it hard to have sympathy for them or their parents
Posting when pished?
No he is just saying what any right minded parent would in this situation. Two drug dealers have been caught and he, like many of us, has no sympathy for them, or what lies ahead of them.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 26, 2013, 12:38:45 AM
As a parent of 2 teenagers I don't really wish to will bad luck on anyone but if either of those kids fall by the wayside over the next 15 or so years I'd find it hard to have sympathy for them or their parents
Confusing post, are you talking about the girls in jail in Peru for being so daft to try and bring back 12kg of coke or the parents who let their kids fall by the wayside?
Or are you talking about the piss take photo above? Try and get some perspective please ffs
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 26, 2013, 10:51:23 AM
Quote from: Cold tea on August 26, 2013, 07:56:23 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 26, 2013, 12:38:45 AM
As a parent of 2 teenagers I don't really wish to will bad luck on anyone but if either of those kids fall by the wayside over the next 15 or so years I'd find it hard to have sympathy for them or their parents
Posting when pished?
No he is just saying what any right minded parent would in this situation. Two drug dealers have been caught and he, like many of us, has no sympathy for them, or what lies ahead of them.
He's talking about the two kids in the picture ffs
I just think the photo is sick. As a parent of 2 teenagers I also have difficulty with the callous attitude many here are adopting as regards the Peru 2. None of us knows what predicaments or pickles our kids may get themselves into when they're that age and remember they are only just 20 ffs
Where did you get that picture MR2? Where was it taken?
It is funny--im sure the girls in Peru would laugh at it too--i would if it was me
It's photo shopped FFS ::)
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 26, 2013, 11:35:45 AM
I just think the photo is sick. As a parent of 2 teenagers I also have difficulty with the callous attitude many here are adopting as regards the Peru 2. None of us knows what predicaments or pickles our kids may get themselves into when they're that age and remember they are only just 20 ffs
They deserve all they get - at 20 they didn't know smuggling drugs was illegal!
I don't know the full background so I won't comment. Are you in favour of capital punishment by any chance? What bout bringing back the birch
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 26, 2013, 01:41:08 PM
I don't know the full background so I won't comment. Are you in favour of capital punishment by any chance? What bout bringing back the birch
They have been arrested with a slap of drugs which they admitted to carrying, but bless they are only 20! ::)
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 26, 2013, 11:35:45 AM
I just think the photo is sick. As a parent of 2 teenagers I also have difficulty with the callous attitude many here are adopting as regards the Peru 2. None of us knows what predicaments or pickles our kids may get themselves into when they're that age and remember they are only just 20 ffs
Would you feel the same way if two Peruvians/ Nigerians etc. were caught in Belfast/Dublin airports carrying the same stash. I dont see too many fundraisers been organised for them or sympathy been dished out................These girls knew the risks, took the gamble and they lost, its now consequence time.
Sorry Dougal - I don't get your point.
As far as most of us can see they seem to be guiltier than a dog beside a pile of dog poo. Their behaviour since - swapping clothes - their lists of needs etc to me don't point to someone caught up in a nightmare not of their own making.
Maybe you think we are all having a laugh and perhaps we are - some more than others. But as I said their behaviour since the arrest suggests that they are not living in the real world and I would hope to the sweet Lord up in heaven that when my lassies are 20 that they (a) won't be out in Ibiza living it up as 'hosts' (ahem) and (b) be trafficking drugs from Peru cos they will retain the wee bit of sense and cop on that they may have picked up from myself and Mrs Shamrock.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on August 26, 2013, 03:17:42 PM
But as I said their behaviour since the arrest suggests that they are not living in the real world and I would hope to the sweet Lord up in heaven that when my lassies are 20 that they (a) won't be out in Ibiza living it up as 'hosts' (ahem) and (b) be trafficking drugs from Peru cos they will retain the wee bit of sense and cop on that they may have picked up from Mrs Shamrock.
Fixed that for you.
QuoteFixed that for you.
LOL Deiseach.
It's funny cos it's true.
I've deleted the post life's too short for this stuff. Our minors have a championship match tonight that's more important to me at the moment
I'm guessing Tyrone's defeat to Mayo has done nothing to lighten Michaella's load either.With a bit of luck she'll be free for the 2003 team's Croke Park 25th anniversary parade.
(http://www.catholicabusesurvivorsni.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Fr.-Brendan-Smyth4.jpg)
Somebody might find that funny
The lad in this clip has some head on him!!
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/peru-drugs-arrest-friend-briton-2222513
The dad has told his kid she should fess up!!
Quote from: thebigfella on August 26, 2013, 11:52:20 AM
It's photo shopped FFS ::)
What is photoshopped about it?
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 28, 2013, 10:55:44 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 26, 2013, 11:52:20 AM
It's photo shopped FFS ::)
What is photoshopped about it?
There is a physio in Mayo says they couldn't get their arms into that position. :)
Quote from: LeoMc on August 28, 2013, 12:35:54 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 28, 2013, 10:55:44 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 26, 2013, 11:52:20 AM
It's photo shopped FFS ::)
What is photoshopped about it?
There is a physio in Mayo says they couldn't get their arms into that position. :)
The Ballina Council of Physiotherapist Photoshop Judges strikes again!
Quote from: Cold tea on August 28, 2013, 12:41:11 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 28, 2013, 10:55:44 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 26, 2013, 11:52:20 AM
It's photo shopped FFS ::)
What is photoshopped about it?
Now now he knows his stuff.
Have you nothing to go sneer at or overact with faux outrage? Certainly the old solution architecture must be slow these days.
Quote from: thebigfella on August 28, 2013, 01:49:45 PM
Have you nothing to go sneer at or overact with faux outrage? Certainly the old solution architecture must be slow these days.
Snark aside, I'm curious as to why you are so certain it is photoshopped. Seems like more hassle than just staging the photo, but I could be wrong.
Quote from: deiseach on August 28, 2013, 01:55:30 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 28, 2013, 01:49:45 PM
Have you nothing to go sneer at or overact with faux outrage? Certainly the old solution architecture must be slow these days.
Snark aside, I'm curious as to why you are so certain it is photoshopped. Seems like more hassle than just staging the photo, but I could be wrong.
I've read in a few places it was taken at a fancy dress competition...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2402631/Parents-dress-kids-Peru-Two-drug-mules-village-fete.html
Quote
The picture, which has been posted online, was taken at the weekend on the village green in Strangford, Co Down, Northern Ireland, about 20 miles south east of Belfast, reportedly during the village summer festival. In the background parents and children surround a bouncy castle and other games.
Jez,
that's strangford alright, you can just see the side of the ferry terminal on the top left of the picture..
Quote from: thebigfella on August 28, 2013, 01:49:45 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on August 28, 2013, 12:41:11 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 28, 2013, 10:55:44 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 26, 2013, 11:52:20 AM
It's photo shopped FFS ::)
What is photoshopped about it?
Now now he knows his stuff.
Have you nothing to go sneer at or overact with faux outrage? Certainly the old solution architecture must be slow these days.
And your empire must be going down the pan, with you being able to devote so much time to making a dick of yourself on here.
Theres a second photo of them at the same event, taken indoors, in todays Irish News. Photoshopped too no doubt ::)
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 28, 2013, 02:58:42 PM
Theres a second photo of them at the same event, taken indoors, in todays Irish News. Photoshopped too no doubt ::)
A photoshopping spree!
(http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2182406.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Shane-Knowles-2182406.jpg)
The dealer is an interesting looking character.
O'Neill, he seems to have his eye on you for some reason.
Looking at that picture of that mad looking fellow what's the notice behind him?
Please do ............toilet
I wonder what his first name is
Beyonce?
Quote from: Hereiam on August 28, 2013, 04:28:03 PM
I wonder what his first name is
Second name is O'Súilleabháin.
Aye
Quote from: johnneycool on August 28, 2013, 02:36:14 PM
Jez,
that's strangford alright, you can just see the side of the ferry terminal on the top left of the picture..
Tis indeed JC, I'd know the fella in the background right and well!! You've asked me about the kids Dad before on here.
It's extremely annoying to read people giving out and taking the moral high ground when they have no idea about these two kids or their family. Their Dad didn't post the picture online and he sure as f*ck had no idea it would have gotten this much publicity.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 26, 2013, 04:56:20 PM
I've deleted the post life's too short for this stuff. Our minors have a championship match tonight that's more important to me at the moment
LOL, the tears, the huffing because nobody agrees with you.
The picture of the 2 wee ones dressed as the Peru 2 was hilarious. What didnt you find funny about the picture? They looked excatly like the Peru 2..only they where small....lol. Also, they are promoting a say no to drugs attitude, whats wrong with that?
I must admit I was shocked at the lack of compassion shown by many here at the plight of the Peru 2. I'm particularly surprised by the attitude of a number of posters who have indicated that they have young daughters themselves.
Its fair enough to say, from the pictures of Michaella McCollum that were taken in Ibiza, that she wasn't spending her time there trying to set up a new branch of the Legion of Mary, but neither does she appear to display the type of previous 'form' that would gain her admission to the McCarthy - Dundon Gang. She has, for whatever reason, found herself in a nightmare position in a foreign country, looking as guilty as a puppy beside a pile of poo, and facing the prospect of a long stretch in chokey. OK, regardless of the circumstances, she found herself part of a chain which brings misery and death to many people, but I was at a funeral on Saturday of a 53 year old guy who died of alcoholism and it could equally be argued that those who supplied him with drink heaped as much misery on him and his family as those involved in the lower echelons of the cocaine trade. The only differences are that those supplying him with drink weren't doing so under the alleged threat of death etc, as the Peru 2 suggest they were and drink is legal and coke is not, but it could be argued that it's the end result in many respects that counts.
Many of you have indicated that you wouldn't expect your daughters, with their upbringing, to get involved in something like this. Bottom line is that none of us have a notion how our children will turn out. But as a parent of older children I can tell you this, if you're solely relying on your good parenting to help keep your kids on the straight and narrow you're all seriously deluded. I'm sure the parents of 'That Slane Girl' thought the same when their young daughter headed off to the M&M gig. There are so many other influences which are totally outside our control, which have the potential to have a much bigger impact on our kids, as they develop, than parental guidance. The influence of clever and manipulative bullies, for instance, who can prey on less street wise kids when they move from primary school ( my Wife who is a teacher has numerous examples of this happening) and the nightmare scenario of the boyfriend from hell are just 2 things that can leave parents tearing their hair out and wondering what to do. And I can assure you that when either of these things happen parental advice is about number 20 in the list of influences that can change the position for the better and number 1 in the list of things that can exacerbate it
Its no skin off my nose if those girls get 2 months, 2 years or 20 years but I'm not going to gloat over their tragic situation, because, as a parent who has tried to bring up his kids well, and thank God things have gone well so far, I don't know what's round the corner for me or my family. Finally I really don't give 2 shites whether you or anyone else here agrees with me or not. And finally finally our Minors won on Monday night
I think we all have considerable sympathy for the family of these two in Peru, less so for the two themselves.
Dougal, the best post so far in this thread. Well said.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 29, 2013, 06:49:47 PM
I must admit I was shocked at the lack of compassion shown by many here at the plight of the Peru 2. I'm particularly surprised by the attitude of a number of posters who have indicated that they have young daughters themselves.
Its fair enough to say, from the pictures of Michaella McCollum that were taken in Ibiza, that she wasn't spending her time there trying to set up a new branch of the Legion of Mary, but neither does she appear to display the type of previous 'form' that would gain her admission to the McCarthy - Dundon Gang. She has, for whatever reason, found herself in a nightmare position in a foreign country, looking as guilty as a puppy beside a pile of poo, and facing the prospect of a long stretch in chokey. OK, regardless of the circumstances, she found herself part of a chain which brings misery and death to many people, but I was at a funeral on Saturday of a 53 year old guy who died of alcoholism and it could equally be argued that those who supplied him with drink heaped as much misery on him and his family as those involved in the lower echelons of the cocaine trade. The only differences are that those supplying him with drink weren't doing so under the alleged threat of death etc, as the Peru 2 suggest they were and drink is legal and coke is not, but it could be argued that it's the end result in many respects that counts.
Many of you have indicated that you wouldn't expect your daughters, with their upbringing, to get involved in something like this. Bottom line is that none of us have a notion how our children will turn out. But as a parent of older children I can tell you this, if you're solely relying on your good parenting to help keep your kids on the straight and narrow you're all seriously deluded. I'm sure the parents of 'That Slane Girl' thought the same when their young daughter headed off to the M&M gig. There are so many other influences which are totally outside our control, which have the potential to have a much bigger impact on our kids, as they develop, than parental guidance. The influence of clever and manipulative bullies, for instance, who can prey on less street wise kids when they move from primary school ( my Wife who is a teacher has numerous examples of this happening) and the nightmare scenario of the boyfriend from hell are just 2 things that can leave parents tearing their hair out and wondering what to do. And I can assure you that when either of these things happen parental advice is about number 20 in the list of influences that can change the position for the better and number 1 in the list of things that can exacerbate it
Its no skin off my nose if those girls get 2 months, 2 years or 20 years but I'm not going to gloat over their tragic situation, because, as a parent who has tried to bring up his kids well, and thank God things have gone well so far, I don't know what's round the corner for me or my family. Finally I really don't give 2 shites whether you or anyone else here agrees with me or not. And finally finally our Minors won on Monday night
A super post, Dougal. Maith thú.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 29, 2013, 06:49:47 PM
I must admit I was shocked at the lack of compassion shown by many here at the plight of the Peru 2. I'm particularly surprised by the attitude of a number of posters who have indicated that they have young daughters themselves.
Its fair enough to say, from the pictures of Michaella McCollum that were taken in Ibiza, that she wasn't spending her time there trying to set up a new branch of the Legion of Mary, but neither does she appear to display the type of previous 'form' that would gain her admission to the McCarthy - Dundon Gang. She has, for whatever reason, found herself in a nightmare position in a foreign country, looking as guilty as a puppy beside a pile of poo, and facing the prospect of a long stretch in chokey. OK, regardless of the circumstances, she found herself part of a chain which brings misery and death to many people, but I was at a funeral on Saturday of a 53 year old guy who died of alcoholism and it could equally be argued that those who supplied him with drink heaped as much misery on him and his family as those involved in the lower echelons of the cocaine trade. The only differences are that those supplying him with drink weren't doing so under the alleged threat of death etc, as the Peru 2 suggest they were and drink is legal and coke is not, but it could be argued that it's the end result in many respects that counts.
Many of you have indicated that you wouldn't expect your daughters, with their upbringing, to get involved in something like this. Bottom line is that none of us have a notion how our children will turn out. But as a parent of older children I can tell you this, if you're solely relying on your good parenting to help keep your kids on the straight and narrow you're all seriously deluded. I'm sure the parents of 'That Slane Girl' thought the same when their young daughter headed off to the M&M gig. There are so many other influences which are totally outside our control, which have the potential to have a much bigger impact on our kids, as they develop, than parental guidance. The influence of clever and manipulative bullies, for instance, who can prey on less street wise kids when they move from primary school ( my Wife who is a teacher has numerous examples of this happening) and the nightmare scenario of the boyfriend from hell are just 2 things that can leave parents tearing their hair out and wondering what to do. And I can assure you that when either of these things happen parental advice is about number 20 in the list of influences that can change the position for the better and number 1 in the list of things that can exacerbate it
Its no skin off my nose if those girls get 2 months, 2 years or 20 years but I'm not going to gloat over their tragic situation, because, as a parent who has tried to bring up his kids well, and thank God things have gone well so far, I don't know what's round the corner for me or my family. Finally I really don't give 2 shites whether you or anyone else here agrees with me or not. And finally finally our Minors won on Monday night
Again would you show some compassion to these unfortunate people, how were they to know? Stuff just grew there
http://www.u.tv/News/Pair-charged-over-500k-cannabis-seizure/253fe983-766d-486f-aa57-0adbfef78c5b
A lot of, if you had daughters and (I've 2, 13, and 10 btw) 'for whatever reason' (it was the money and selling drugs) the drink and drugs thing is bollox to, will we stop driving cars and cut out those unescessary deaths whats next? Fags christ they must kill more than booze I'd say, I'm more for that.
If this story involved two girls from China would you give a shit?
They should count their lucky stars the punishment for drug smuggling in Peru isn't as severe as it is in Indonesia.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23894761
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 29, 2013, 06:49:47 PM
The only differences are that those supplying him with drink weren't doing so under the alleged threat of death etc, as the Peru 2 suggest they were and drink is legal and coke is not, (1) but it could be argued that it's the end result in many respects that counts.
(2) I'm not going to gloat over their tragic situation
(1) No, the fact that drink is legal and coke is not, and the fact that this is widely known, is clearly an important factor.
(2) I haven't seen many gloating, all I've seen is people refusing to let the fact that the two accused are little white girls, one from home, tug at the heartstrings any more than if it was a South American mule landing in Dublin airport.
1. Tell that to the family who buried the 53 year old alcoholic last week
2. Read the thread again
3 if the circumstances were the same I'd have every sympathy for a South American mule
What circumstances?
If the Peruvian authorities were serious about cracking down on drug smuggling, they'd surely have said nothing to these two and notified the Spanish police who could have trailed them on the other side to see where / with whom the drugs end up? Obviously it wouldn't give them the instant headlines that they want but it would probably be more effective in the long run
Quote from: gallsman on August 30, 2013, 10:31:40 AM
(2) I haven't seen many gloating, all I've seen is people refusing to let the fact that the two accused are little white girls, one from home, tug at the heartstrings any more than if it was a South American mule landing in Dublin airport.
You'd want to go back and have a read of the entire thread
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 30, 2013, 08:45:50 PM
If the Peruvian authorities were serious about cracking down on drug smuggling, they'd surely have said nothing to these two and notified the Spanish police who could have trailed them on the other side to see where / with whom the drugs end up? Obviously it wouldn't give them the instant headlines that they want but it would probably be more effective in the long run
Quote from: gallsman on August 30, 2013, 10:31:40 AM
(2) I haven't seen many gloating, all I've seen is people refusing to let the fact that the two accused are little white girls, one from home, tug at the heartstrings any more than if it was a South American mule landing in Dublin airport.
You'd want to go back and have a read of the entire thread
Sure that's a plan,
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 30, 2013, 06:15:48 PM
1. Tell that to the family who buried the 53 year old alcoholic last week
2. Read the thread again
3 if the circumstances were the same I'd have every sympathy for a South American mule
why don't they do that in every country?
Alcoholics and cancer ridden smokers are being buried every week. My grandad died being a smoker and he was allowed to do this because the gov said it was legal, he wanted to smoke like a drinker wants to drink, whats your point ffs, as I said lets stop eveything thats can cause death!
Look I have no desire to get into a discussion with you about this, or indeed any topic for that matter
Would you do a line for Michaella? :P
AN INTERNET EFFORT set up with the aim of raising £20,000 towards legal fees for Michaella McCollum Connolly has received just £706 in pledges since it was set up.
The Youcaring.com page – set up by the Monaghan-born woman's sister Stephanie – received its first donation of £20 on Saturday last.
A message to prospective donors says the 20-year-0ld has been in a "living nightmare" since her arrest and that the family had been "overwhelmed with support and kind words from people".
The statement continues:
As I'm sure you all understand to get Michaella home it may be a lengthy process by it all depends on her legal representation.
We plan to visit Michaella as much as we can.
So many of our supporters have asked us if they can donate to Michaella's plight. We appreciate this so much as legal fees etc will be expensive.
McCollum Connolly and her British companion Melissa Reid were found with around 11kg of cocaine hidden in food packages as they tried to check into a flight bound for Madrid almost four weeks ago.
Decision
If the pair plead innocent, they must wait at least two years for a trial, and if found guilty following the trial she could face up to 20 years in prison.
However, if the 20-year-old and her Glasgow friend plead guilty they could be back home in as little as two years.
Her lawyer Peter Madden explained at the weekend that there is a piece of legislation going through Peruvian Congress at the moment which applies to foreigners given around seven years in prison or less.
They get two-thirds remission off their sentences, which means the pair would serve around two years of a six year sentence. The catch: They would have to admit guilt.
Madden told RTÉ's Marian Finucane Show that she must "think very carefully" about her decision.
Hearing
The pair were refused bail and remanded in custody at an initial court hearing last month. The judge rejected defence arguments that they had been threatened with death if they refused to carry the drugs.
Connolly had previously been reported missing from her job on the Spanish holiday island of Ibiza in the Mediterranean, and her family had launched a social media campaign to find her.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on September 03, 2013, 01:31:26 PM
Would you do a line for Michaella? :P
AN INTERNET EFFORT set up with the aim of raising £20,000 towards legal fees for Michaella McCollum Connolly has received just £706 in pledges since it was set up.
The Youcaring.com page – set up by the Monaghan-born woman's sister Stephanie – received its first donation of £20 on Saturday last.
A message to prospective donors says the 20-year-0ld has been in a "living nightmare" since her arrest and that the family had been "overwhelmed with support and kind words from people".
The statement continues:
As I'm sure you all understand to get Michaella home it may be a lengthy process by it all depends on her legal representation.
We plan to visit Michaella as much as we can.
So many of our supporters have asked us if they can donate to Michaella's plight. We appreciate this so much as legal fees etc will be expensive.
McCollum Connolly and her British companion Melissa Reid were found with around 11kg of cocaine hidden in food packages as they tried to check into a flight bound for Madrid almost four weeks ago.
Decision
If the pair plead innocent, they must wait at least two years for a trial, and if found guilty following the trial she could face up to 20 years in prison.
However, if the 20-year-old and her Glasgow friend plead guilty they could be back home in as little as two years.
Her lawyer Peter Madden explained at the weekend that there is a piece of legislation going through Peruvian Congress at the moment which applies to foreigners given around seven years in prison or less.
They get two-thirds remission off their sentences, which means the pair would serve around two years of a six year sentence. The catch: They would have to admit guilt.
Madden told RTÉ's Marian Finucane Show that she must "think very carefully" about her decision.
Hearing
The pair were refused bail and remanded in custody at an initial court hearing last month. The judge rejected defence arguments that they had been threatened with death if they refused to carry the drugs.
Connolly had previously been reported missing from her job on the Spanish holiday island of Ibiza in the Mediterranean, and her family had launched a social media campaign to find her.
That's the problem (in bold), thinking they'd be fine was what got them in trouble ffs, If they continue to be plead innocent they would end up doing 12 years+. No brainer
http://www.u.tv/News/Peru-drugs-accused-plead-guilty/d69b69ed-c71f-429a-b448-01f53ef0d7cf
Peru drugs accused plead guilty
Michaella McCollum Connolly, who is 20 and from Dungannon, was arrested last month at an airport in Lima alongside her friend, 19-year-old Melissa Reid from Scotland.
Police found 24lb of cocaine - thought to be worth around £1.5m - in their luggage.
The pair appeared in court on Tuesday and pleaded guilty to attempting to fly from Peru to Spain with the drugs, which were hidden in food packages.
They face more than six years in jail and could be sentenced next week.
there's talk of them doing the jail here.. whats that about? are the taxpayers here not burdened enough without taken in criminals from another country?
Quote from: lawnseed on September 24, 2013, 10:11:26 PM
there's talk of them doing the jail here.. whats that about? are the taxpayers here not burdened enough without taken in criminals from another country?
How's the fundraising going for them?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2013, 10:17:47 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on September 24, 2013, 10:11:26 PM
there's talk of them doing the jail here.. whats that about? are the taxpayers here not burdened enough without taken in criminals from another country?
How's the fundraising going for them?
flopped I hear
£2791
http://www.youcaring.com/other/michaella-mccollum-appeal-fund-/84386
Quote from: All of a Sludden on September 24, 2013, 10:30:30 PM
£2791
http://www.youcaring.com/other/michaella-mccollum-appeal-fund-/84386
Thats a one way ticket home at least
Madden will be looking that.
An Irish and British woman have been told that prosecutors in Peru will not accept their guilty pleas on drugs charges.
Michaella McCollum and Melissa Reid admitted trying to smuggle cocaine out of the country.
However the prosecution wants a full admission that they made up a story about being kidnapped by a gang and forced to carry the drugs.
kinda fell sorry for them, we all do stupid things when we young, but i safety say nothing this stupid. At the regular airport in the uk they take a quick nosy in bags, how bloody strange was it going to be taking food packets back to Spain from Peru. Sounds silly that anybody wouldst not think a guard would open a packet to check the contents,
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 25, 2013, 09:43:40 PM
kinda fell sorry for them, we all do stupid things when we young, but i safety say nothing this stupid. At the regular airport in the uk they take a quick nosy in bags, how bloody strange was it going to be taking food packets back to Spain from Peru. Sounds silly that anybody wouldst not think a guard would open a packet to check the contents,
yes food is the first thing that would be opened coming from a country were there is foot and mouth etc customs would be sure to check for meat or dairy products.. on the other hand there no way they had the money to buy the stuff so somebody funded them perhaps if they came clean and named the organiser they could get a shorter sentence
The girls hair is starting to go ginger as well, talk about when your lucks down.
But the Scottish one has some set of diddies on her.
Quote from: Feckitt on September 25, 2013, 10:24:10 PM
But the Scottish one has some set of diddies on her.
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on September 25, 2013, 10:13:08 PM
The girls hair is starting to go ginger as well, talk about when your lucks down.
both useful attributes for spending time in a south American prison no doubt
Quote from: lawnseed on September 25, 2013, 10:02:28 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 25, 2013, 09:43:40 PM
kinda fell sorry for them, we all do stupid things when we young, but i safety say nothing this stupid. At the regular airport in the uk they take a quick nosy in bags, how bloody strange was it going to be taking food packets back to Spain from Peru. Sounds silly that anybody wouldst not think a guard would open a packet to check the contents,
yes food is the first thing that would be opened coming from a country were there is foot and mouth etc customs would be sure to check for meat or dairy products.. on the other hand there no way they had the money to buy the stuff so somebody funded them perhaps if they came clean and named the organiser they could get a shorter sentence
He made me do it
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Apparently the Irish one made a heartfelt plea about abject poverty and inhumane living conditions and has begged not to be sent home to Dungannon
Quote from: take_yer_points on September 25, 2013, 11:31:00 PM
Apparently the Irish one made a heartfelt plea about abject poverty and inhumane living conditions and has begged not to be sent home to Dungannon
Is she originally from Dungannon? Heard she comes from a traveller background.
Quote from: take_yer_points on September 25, 2013, 11:31:00 PM
Apparently the Irish one made a heartfelt plea about abject poverty and inhumane living conditions and has begged not to be sent home to Dungannon
that must be why the half of south America is living and working in dungannon
Quote from: reddgnhand on September 25, 2013, 11:37:20 PM
Quote from: take_yer_points on September 25, 2013, 11:31:00 PM
Apparently the Irish one made a heartfelt plea about abject poverty and inhumane living conditions and has begged not to be sent home to Dungannon
Is she originally from Dungannon? Heard she comes from a traveller background.
she'll probably end up in a huge house with eagles on the gates, statues on the lawn, a couple of massive camper vans in a huge carport with no visible means of income claiming invalidity benefits
Quote from: reddgnhand on September 25, 2013, 11:37:20 PM
Quote from: take_yer_points on September 25, 2013, 11:31:00 PM
Apparently the Irish one made a heartfelt plea about abject poverty and inhumane living conditions and has begged not to be sent home to Dungannon
Is she originally from Dungannon? Heard she comes from a traveller background.
I'd heard round home she was originally from Aughnacloy but they're now living just outside Dungannon
Quote from: reddgnhand on September 25, 2013, 11:37:20 PM
Quote from: take_yer_points on September 25, 2013, 11:31:00 PM
Apparently the Irish one made a heartfelt plea about abject poverty and inhumane living conditions and has begged not to be sent home to Dungannon
Is she originally from Dungannon? Heard she comes from a traveller background.
Originally from monaghan, tantamount to the same thing really.
Lawnseed you got to admit, thats one of the best houses in the north, like the rest of mid ulster, i love to know where he go the money to build it, used to be a old traveller tradition of burning their home (caravan) and their contents when the owner dies, i fairly said that tradition will be by passed with this house.
Peruvians playing hard ball?
Prosecutors in Peru are objecting to the guilty pleas by two UK women caught trying to smuggle cocaine out of Peru.
Michaella McCollum, of Dungannon, County Tyrone, and Melissa Reid, of Lenzie, near Glasgow, admitted on Tuesday to smuggling drugs.
Prosecutor Juan Rosas told the AFP news agency they needed to provide more information to get reduced sentences.
He said he would ask for another hearing to allow them to make a more complete confession.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24277301 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24277301)
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 26, 2013, 07:21:47 PM
Lawnseed you got to admit, thats one of the best houses in the north, like the rest of mid ulster, i love to know where he go the money to build it, used to be a old traveller tradition of burning their home (caravan) and their contents when the owner dies, i fairly said that tradition will be by passed with this house.
weasel that's all of the best houses they live in I just described them all :)
Quote from: lawnseed on September 26, 2013, 07:18:03 AM
Quote from: take_yer_points on September 25, 2013, 11:31:00 PM
Apparently the Irish one made a heartfelt plea about abject poverty and inhumane living conditions and has begged not to be sent home to Dungannon
that must be why the half of south America is living and working in dungannon
Quote from: reddgnhand on September 25, 2013, 11:37:20 PM
Quote from: take_yer_points on September 25, 2013, 11:31:00 PM
Apparently the Irish one made a heartfelt plea about abject poverty and inhumane living conditions and has begged not to be sent home to Dungannon
Is she originally from Dungannon? Heard she comes from a traveller background.
she'll probably end up in a huge house with eagles on the gates, statues on the lawn, a couple of massive camper vans in a huge carport with no visible means of income claiming invalidity benefits
Some shack alright !
Oh its the one i describe when u past through Clonoe to go to the M2, and that house is on the corner as you go onto the Ballynakilly Rd
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 26, 2013, 10:44:59 PM
Oh its the one i describe when u past through Clonoe to go to the M2, and that house is on the corner as you go onto the Ballynakilly Rd
That's it alright !! Except its when you are heading to the M1!!!
So was she really kidnapped and threatened to compel her to smuggle the drugs? Or did she just want a free trip to Macha Pichu?
Both girls are currently in court awaiting to her what their sentence will be. Should know within the hour.
Good luck to them!
6 years and 8 months each.
Quote from: give her dixie on December 17, 2013, 05:33:48 PM
6 years and 8 months each.
Nasty enough,any indication if they willbe able topart serve it at home?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 17, 2013, 05:50:48 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on December 17, 2013, 05:33:48 PM
6 years and 8 months each.
Nasty enough,any indication if they willbe able topart serve it at home?
They weren't smuggling out of Ireland / UK so, as part of the ongoing deterrent should serve it all in Peru
Far too lenient, life plus a day would have been a more appropriate sentence. Sends out the wrong message.
They could be home for next Christmas.
No, they might be in an Irish jail for next Christmas and the 4 after that
Who cares when they get home ?
Quote from: All of a Sludden on December 17, 2013, 06:14:46 PM
Far too lenient, life plus a day would have been a more appropriate sentence. Sends out the wrong message.
Is that what you'd get over here for same offence?
You'd have to feel sorry for them. Only young and taken advantage of by the real criminals who should be put behind bars. Hope they are home soon. Must be awful for the two of them.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 17, 2013, 08:50:27 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on December 17, 2013, 06:14:46 PM
Far too lenient, life plus a day would have been a more appropriate sentence. Sends out the wrong message.
Is that what you'd get over here for same offence?
It wasn't our laws they broke.
They don't appear to have starved in jail anyway.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 17, 2013, 10:02:49 PM
They don't appear to have starved in jail anyway.
Thought that myself, big fat legs and arses on them.
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 17, 2013, 10:03:22 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 17, 2013, 10:02:49 PM
They don't appear to have starved in jail anyway.
Thought that myself, big fat legs and arses on them.
Just the way Tony likes them...
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Our doll actually looks a bit better.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 17, 2013, 10:12:51 PM
(http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01874/peru-m_1874202a.jpg)
Our doll actually looks a bit better.
At least the blonde has a few bananas with her.
Quote from: Sea The Stars on December 17, 2013, 09:44:36 PM
You'd have to feel sorry for them. Only young and taken advantage of by the real criminals who should be put behind bars. Hope they are home soon. Must be awful for the two of them.
Well said, although you risk getting lynched by some on this board for daring to feel sorry for the 2 most minor pawns in this multi million pound racket
Quote from: Sea The Stars on December 17, 2013, 09:44:36 PM
You'd have to feel sorry for them. Only young and taken advantage of by the real criminals who should be put behind bars. Hope they are home soon. Must be awful for the two of them.
They were young and stupid and now have to pay the price. I don't understand why some people on here are rejoicing in other people's misfortune.
Quote from: hardstation on December 17, 2013, 11:25:05 PM
Not sure anyone is rejoicing. People just don't feel sorry for them and hope more like them get caught and jailed.
Btw, minor pawns? They didn't just supply the Quakers Oats packaging, they were trafficking drugs - a central role in the world's drug industry.
Maybe, but it would be nice to see the big dog caught for once.
Quote from: hardstation on December 18, 2013, 12:07:05 AM
By 'big dog', you mean the person who makes the most money?
I'm sure these 'silly young girls' could assist the authorities in getting such a catch.
Yes I wan't talking about the convicts. ;D
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on December 17, 2013, 10:49:05 PM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on December 17, 2013, 09:44:36 PM
You'd have to feel sorry for them. Only young and taken advantage of by the real criminals who should be put behind bars. Hope they are home soon. Must be awful for the two of them.
Well said, although you risk getting lynched by some on this board for daring to feel sorry for the 2 most minor pawns in this multi million pound racket
Not lynched but are we really going to feel sorry for every drug pusher/dealer/courier in jail now here in Ireland? They were daft or were they? We know fcuk all about them other than they were trafficing drugs from one country to another
Everyone who will smoke some joints, pop some pills or snort some lines over the coming weeks is complicit in every murder, beating and robbery that is part of the drugs world in Ireland. The people of Ireland are propping up the drugs criminals and they prioritise their own pleasure over the deaths that their habits fuel.
Quote from: Gaffer on August 11, 2013, 02:17:01 AM
She is a young girl who didn't t realise what she was getting herself into.
If she had been a few years older she would have had the sense not to get involved.
She and her poor family have years of torture ahead of them
God help them all
That is b@lls, anyone who carries that amount of drugs into South America or out of it know the risks and deserve all they get. those drugs were meant to peddle misery in Europe and make the couriers (and the dealers) a tidy sum. 19 or not you'd want to be pretty stupid not to know that you are risking jail. She is responsible for all her family's pain and misery.
I find it mad that the general concensus is that these are innoncent victims simply because:
(a) They have said this and protested their innocence (majority of criminals do) &
(b) One of the girls is local.
(b) above is the main swayer in terms of peoples mentality here. If this was two English girls we would be allin no doubt as to their guilt. As for the 'they didn't know what they were doing' and 'If she had been a few years older she would have had the sense not to get involved', for the love of god she is 19 not 9. She has gotten what she deserved and I do feel sorry for her family but the hurt caused to her family is all down to her actions, something that she chose to do.
I'm somewhere in the middle, they deserved punished without doubt, it's all about risk v reward and they were caught for a paltry sum no doubt. Such a waste really and the real criminals will be sending mules out on daily basis without a second thought.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 18, 2013, 11:30:18 AM
I find it mad that the general concensus is that these are innoncent victims simply because:
(a) They have said this and protested their innocence (majority of criminals do) &
(b) One of the girls is local.
(b) above is the main swayer in terms of peoples mentality here. If this was two English girls we would be allin no doubt as to their guilt. As for the 'they didn't know what they were doing' and 'If she had been a few years older she would have had the sense not to get involved', for the love of god she is 19 not 9. She has gotten what she deserved and I do feel sorry for her family but the hurt caused to her family is all down to her actions, something that she chose to do.
You were willing to give Lance Armstrong more leeway:
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 24, 2012, 08:49:29 AM
Without knowing a lot about the whole thing, surely the fact that he has been tested so many hundreds of times in his career is testament enough to his innocence, he couldn't have been that good at hiding the substances supposedly in his body. What exactly have they got, a bunch of known drug cheats claiming that he was one too. How would that stand up in court, if say for example you were charged with being a drug dealer yet there was no evidence except for 10 convicted drug dealers saying that you were one.
Quote from: StephenC on December 18, 2013, 10:41:24 AM
Everyone who will smoke some joints, pop some pills or snort some lines over the coming weeks is complicit in every murder, beating and robbery that is part of the drugs world in Ireland. The people of Ireland are propping up the drugs criminals and they prioritise their own pleasure over the deaths that their habits fuel.
If it's not being brought in then it's harder to smoke/pop/snort don't you think?
Now in saying that the amount of people who'll die over drink in the coming weeks will be a lot higher than the drugs being used, will we jail owners of off licences? What about pub Landlords? or the Government maybe. Who's next on that list Marlbro.
If you do the crime do the time, very simple in my view, if i get caught speeding or driving over the limit that's my fault no one else and I'll just have to deal with it. If I fly over to Columbia and get drugs to bring them back, get caught should I get the same sympathy as these girls?
Quote from: muppet on December 18, 2013, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 18, 2013, 11:30:18 AM
I find it mad that the general concensus is that these are innoncent victims simply because:
(a) They have said this and protested their innocence (majority of criminals do) &
(b) One of the girls is local.
(b) above is the main swayer in terms of peoples mentality here. If this was two English girls we would be allin no doubt as to their guilt. As for the 'they didn't know what they were doing' and 'If she had been a few years older she would have had the sense not to get involved', for the love of god she is 19 not 9. She has gotten what she deserved and I do feel sorry for her family but the hurt caused to her family is all down to her actions, something that she chose to do.
You were willing to give Lance Armstrong more leeway:
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 24, 2012, 08:49:29 AM
Without knowing a lot about the whole thing, surely the fact that he has been tested so many hundreds of times in his career is testament enough to his innocence, he couldn't have been that good at hiding the substances supposedly in his body. What exactly have they got, a bunch of known drug cheats claiming that he was one too. How would that stand up in court, if say for example you were charged with being a drug dealer yet there was no evidence except for 10 convicted drug dealers saying that you were one.
How? Lance was never caught and if he had been I would have had the same stance as I do towards the Peru 2. They weren't convicted on whispers, they were found to be in possession of a load of drugs.
It's long past the time that a sensible approach to legalizing some drugs, especially marijuana, should be looked at. Last week Uruguay legalized pot and the government will regulate the sale and distribution. states like Washington and Colorado have also taken the same route, and 17 other states have legalized it's use for medical purposes.
Once it is regulated, you do away with the criminal gangs who profit so much and send young girls like these 2 to be their couriers. Sadly though, it takes responsible politicians to lead this change, but they are too busy been wooed by big pharma companies who will do all in their power to stop this change taking place.
It's clubbers who are forced to snort these girls' evil wares that I feel sorry for.
Awful news. Going to be a hard few years for them
God Bless
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 18, 2013, 12:24:03 PM
Quote from: muppet on December 18, 2013, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 18, 2013, 11:30:18 AM
I find it mad that the general concensus is that these are innoncent victims simply because:
(a) They have said this and protested their innocence (majority of criminals do) &
(b) One of the girls is local.
(b) above is the main swayer in terms of peoples mentality here. If this was two English girls we would be allin no doubt as to their guilt. As for the 'they didn't know what they were doing' and 'If she had been a few years older she would have had the sense not to get involved', for the love of god she is 19 not 9. She has gotten what she deserved and I do feel sorry for her family but the hurt caused to her family is all down to her actions, something that she chose to do.
You were willing to give Lance Armstrong more leeway:
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 24, 2012, 08:49:29 AM
Without knowing a lot about the whole thing, surely the fact that he has been tested so many hundreds of times in his career is testament enough to his innocence, he couldn't have been that good at hiding the substances supposedly in his body. What exactly have they got, a bunch of known drug cheats claiming that he was one too. How would that stand up in court, if say for example you were charged with being a drug dealer yet there was no evidence except for 10 convicted drug dealers saying that you were one.
How? Lance was never caught and if he had been I would have had the same stance as I do towards the Peru 2. They weren't convicted on whispers, they were found to be in possession of a load of drugs.
you sound like a chap I worked with. He read the Lance book, and because he had invested time reading the thing, he was damn sure he was gonna back Lancey boy all the way, even though deep down he new Lance was doped to his eyeballs
Quote from: Apparently so on December 18, 2013, 01:34:55 PM
Awful news. Going to be a hard few years for them
God Bless
Slap it up them.
What puzzles me most about this case, is the fact that despite all the TV & press coverage - the light has never been shone on the "Jake" or "Joey" cockney taxi driver who seduced & recruited the girls.
Ibiza is a very small Island, & considering the girls (in particular Melissa Reid) had plastered every single photo of herself & whom she met on social media - including pictures of herself with a convicted criminal - It wouldn't be too difficult for a savvy investigative journalist to track this man down.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 18, 2013, 12:24:03 PM
Quote from: muppet on December 18, 2013, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 18, 2013, 11:30:18 AM
I find it mad that the general concensus is that these are innoncent victims simply because:
(a) They have said this and protested their innocence (majority of criminals do) &
(b) One of the girls is local.
(b) above is the main swayer in terms of peoples mentality here. If this was two English girls we would be allin no doubt as to their guilt. As for the 'they didn't know what they were doing' and 'If she had been a few years older she would have had the sense not to get involved', for the love of god she is 19 not 9. She has gotten what she deserved and I do feel sorry for her family but the hurt caused to her family is all down to her actions, something that she chose to do.
You were willing to give Lance Armstrong more leeway:
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 24, 2012, 08:49:29 AM
Without knowing a lot about the whole thing, surely the fact that he has been tested so many hundreds of times in his career is testament enough to his innocence, he couldn't have been that good at hiding the substances supposedly in his body. What exactly have they got, a bunch of known drug cheats claiming that he was one too. How would that stand up in court, if say for example you were charged with being a drug dealer yet there was no evidence except for 10 convicted drug dealers saying that you were one.
How? Lance was never caught and if he had been I would have had the same stance as I do towards the Peru 2. They weren't convicted on whispers, they were found to be in possession of a load of drugs.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/others/cycling-lance-armstrong-failed-four-drugs-tests-in-1999-uci-admits-8577491.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/others/cycling-lance-armstrong-failed-four-drugs-tests-in-1999-uci-admits-8577491.html)
Quote from: God14 on December 18, 2013, 02:59:57 PM
What puzzles me most about this case, is the fact that despite all the TV & press coverage - the light has never been shone on the "Jake" or "Joey" cockney taxi driver who seduced & recruited the girls.
Ibiza is a very small Island, & considering the girls (in particular Melissa Reid) had plastered every single photo of herself & whom she met on social media - including pictures of herself with a convicted criminal - It wouldn't be too difficult for a savvy investigative journalist to track this man down.
That's if there is/was an actual "Jake" or "Joey" cockney taxi driver in the first place ffs. They haven'y been straight from the start and will hardly be straight now, maybe if Banged up abroad choose to do their story in 6 yeras time they may give a different account altogether who knows? Only they do
Quote from: muppet on December 18, 2013, 03:02:11 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 18, 2013, 12:24:03 PM
Quote from: muppet on December 18, 2013, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 18, 2013, 11:30:18 AM
I find it mad that the general concensus is that these are innoncent victims simply because:
(a) They have said this and protested their innocence (majority of criminals do) &
(b) One of the girls is local.
(b) above is the main swayer in terms of peoples mentality here. If this was two English girls we would be allin no doubt as to their guilt. As for the 'they didn't know what they were doing' and 'If she had been a few years older she would have had the sense not to get involved', for the love of god she is 19 not 9. She has gotten what she deserved and I do feel sorry for her family but the hurt caused to her family is all down to her actions, something that she chose to do.
You were willing to give Lance Armstrong more leeway:
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 24, 2012, 08:49:29 AM
Without knowing a lot about the whole thing, surely the fact that he has been tested so many hundreds of times in his career is testament enough to his innocence, he couldn't have been that good at hiding the substances supposedly in his body. What exactly have they got, a bunch of known drug cheats claiming that he was one too. How would that stand up in court, if say for example you were charged with being a drug dealer yet there was no evidence except for 10 convicted drug dealers saying that you were one.
How? Lance was never caught and if he had been I would have had the same stance as I do towards the Peru 2. They weren't convicted on whispers, they were found to be in possession of a load of drugs.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/others/cycling-lance-armstrong-failed-four-drugs-tests-in-1999-uci-admits-8577491.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/others/cycling-lance-armstrong-failed-four-drugs-tests-in-1999-uci-admits-8577491.html)
But as far as the world was concerned he was never caught in 1999. He retired without actually being caught.
May not seem it to the girls now but it might be the best thing to happen to them. Lets say they got back to Ibiza with the stuff - their lives continue, going nowhere but down (probably to an inevitable not so happy ending involving drugs and dodgy characters)
This will shock them into growing up and being more aware of their actions - the advantage they have is they are very young - will be out in their mid twenties (still kids at that age) - hopefully smarter to get their lives back on a proper track.
That Scottish Bird has some tits on her.
Quote from: JBM on the 21 on December 18, 2013, 03:27:22 PM
May not seem it to the girls now but it might be the best thing to happen to them. Lets say they got back to Ibiza with the stuff - their lives continue, going nowhere but down (probably to an inevitable not so happy ending involving drugs and dodgy characters)
This will shock them into growing up and being more aware of their actions - the advantage they have is they are very young - will be out in their mid twenties (still kids at that age) - hopefully smarter to get their lives back on a proper track.
Yea it might be a lesson they needed alright. They will probably be home in a couple of years. Hopefully wiser.
As for Lance:
QuoteHe retired without actually being caught.
Yea but he didn't get away with it.
Quote from: Cold tea on December 18, 2013, 02:30:23 PM
Quote from: Apparently so on December 18, 2013, 01:34:55 PM
Awful news. Going to be a hard few years for them
God Bless
Slap it up them.
Are you the infamous 5ive Times by any chance?
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 18, 2013, 10:48:32 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on August 11, 2013, 02:17:01 AM
She is a young girl who didn't t realise what she was getting herself into.
If she had been a few years older she would have had the sense not to get involved.
She and her poor family have years of torture ahead of them
God help them all
That is b@lls, anyone who carries that amount of drugs into South America or out of it know the risks and deserve all they get. those drugs were meant to peddle misery in Europe and make the couriers (and the dealers) a tidy sum. 19 or not you'd want to be pretty stupid not to know that you are risking jail. She is responsible for all her family's pain and misery.
Nothing balls about it. Just an opinion. !
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 18, 2013, 10:48:32 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on August 11, 2013, 02:17:01 AM
She is a young girl who didn't t realise what she was getting herself into.
If she had been a few years older she would have had the sense not to get involved.
She and her poor family have years of torture ahead of them
God help them all
That is b@lls, anyone who carries that amount of drugs into South America or out of it know the risks and deserve all they get. those drugs were meant to peddle misery in Europe and make the couriers (and the dealers) a tidy sum. 19 or not you'd want to be pretty stupid not to know that you are risking jail. She is responsible for all her family's pain and misery.
So any opinion, other than one which agrees with yours, is balls. Is that the way it works
Bemused by the theory that these two will emerge after six years 8 months,and resume a happy normal life of an average mid 20s person,as if nearly 7 years in a horrible dungeon won't leave them emotionally if not physically scarred for life.
While it is normal and understandable not to have any sympathy for anyone caught carrying drugs,it surely is heart rending to see two young girls,barely out of their teens,both naive,dazzled by the promise of easy money and without adequate experience of life to realise the full horrors of drug abuse,ruin their young lives.Meanwhile glamorous tv chefs can apparently use drugs for years without any sanctions apparently.
You seem to be equating using and drug-trafficking Tony. Hardly the same thing. I tend to agree with whoever it was mentioned that if both of them were English, there would be a lot less support. It's sad that anyone gets involved in this sh*t but ultimately no one to blame but themselves.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on December 19, 2013, 12:30:29 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 18, 2013, 10:48:32 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on August 11, 2013, 02:17:01 AM
She is a young girl who didn't t realise what she was getting herself into.
If she had been a few years older she would have had the sense not to get involved.
She and her poor family have years of torture ahead of them
God help them all
That is b@lls, anyone who carries that amount of drugs into South America or out of it know the risks and deserve all they get. those drugs were meant to peddle misery in Europe and make the couriers (and the dealers) a tidy sum. 19 or not you'd want to be pretty stupid not to know that you are risking jail. She is responsible for all her family's pain and misery.
So any opinion, other than one which agrees with yours, is balls. Is that the way it works
Any opinion other than the fact they deserve everything they get is balls, as noted if she was an ugly bitch from Leeds no one here would give a f**k - slap it up their hole.
If they were foreigners being caught on the way into Ireland there would be no sympathy for them. End of story.
Quote from: T Fearon on December 19, 2013, 05:47:48 AM
Bemused by the theory that these two will emerge after six years 8 months,and resume a happy normal life of an average mid 20s person,as if nearly 7 years in a horrible dungeon won't leave them emotionally if not physically scarred for life.
While it is normal and understandable not to have any sympathy for anyone caught carrying drugs,it surely is heart rending to see two young girls,barely out of their teens,both naive,dazzled by the promise of easy money and without adequate experience of life to realise the full horrors of drug abuse,ruin their young lives.Meanwhile glamorous tv chefs can apparently use drugs for years without any sanctions apparently.
Who's theory is this then?
As for glamorous TV Chefs, what about footballers:
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/08/article-2415501-1BB2267B000005DC-474_306x455.jpg)
Quote from: muppet on December 19, 2013, 08:54:53 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 19, 2013, 05:47:48 AM
Bemused by the theory that these two will emerge after six years 8 months,and resume a happy normal life of an average mid 20s person,as if nearly 7 years in a horrible dungeon won't leave them emotionally if not physically scarred for life.
While it is normal and understandable not to have any sympathy for anyone caught carrying drugs,it surely is heart rending to see two young girls,barely out of their teens,both naive,dazzled by the promise of easy money and without adequate experience of life to realise the full horrors of drug abuse,ruin their young lives.Meanwhile glamorous tv chefs can apparently use drugs for years without any sanctions apparently.
Who's theory is this then?
As for glamorous TV Chefs, what about footballers:
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/08/article-2415501-1BB2267B000005DC-474_306x455.jpg)
What a shit hair cut, the line doesn't even go straight ffs
There's a bit of difference in Cocaine and a player taking nitrous oxide which is legal after all.
In saying that I'm sure a serious amount of footballers would've been flat out on cocaine overe the years.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on December 19, 2013, 12:30:29 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 18, 2013, 10:48:32 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on August 11, 2013, 02:17:01 AM
She is a young girl who didn't t realise what she was getting herself into.
If she had been a few years older she would have had the sense not to get involved.
She and her poor family have years of torture ahead of them
God help them all
That is b@lls, anyone who carries that amount of drugs into South America or out of it know the risks and deserve all they get. those drugs were meant to peddle misery in Europe and make the couriers (and the dealers) a tidy sum. 19 or not you'd want to be pretty stupid not to know that you are risking jail. She is responsible for all her family's pain and misery.
So any opinion, other than one which agrees with yours, is balls. Is that the way it works
Actually no, but what is balls is that she didn't know what she was carrying, the opinion is as valid as the next one.
Any sympathy I may have had for the family of McCollum has been disappated for me by the instance of the mother and sister that she is innocent...now where have I heard that before...What's that Gerry you weren't what?
Of course none of us know for sure but we are all entitled to our opinion.
In a lot of these incidents you tend to look at the person's life and see can you build a picture of who they are and how do they live their life. The first thing that hopped out at me was who she seemed to not have her own place but be sponging off guys and living the party life style out in a holiday resort. Of course lots of young people do the same and that's their own choice but I think that sort of lifestyle tends to lead to a lack of self respect and an attitude of getting what you want without having to earn an honest wage for it.
She no doubt is an attractive girl and l would imagine loads of lads would be happy to pay her way for her but maybe she did owe some money and this was a nice little earner that maybe some of her male friends suggested to her. Who knows. I'm totally speculating as I'm sure has been done in earlier pages. I'm sure there are thousands more young girls who live like this and use their good looks to sponge off guys who have a bit of money to spend.
If that persona is accurate of the life she was living then yes she was very naive and immature but by getting caught she sure got the wakeup call that many others never get.
I wonder how this story impacted other possible mules being offered what they thought was a good deal. You would imagine the smarter ones think NO WAY but I would sadly say that there are still probably lots of innocent young girls are stupid enough to believe their bosses that it will all be OK and trust them.
A mate of mine in Belfast who was single about 5 years ago was telling me, it's amazing how many good looking girls that he dated asked him could he not get some coke? He said all they wanted to do was party, go on holiday and spend his money and felt well justified doing that.
If there were no drug users, there'd be no drug traffickers. Without in any way condoning drug trafficking or drug abuse, I just feel sad for their plight, naievety,etc (it's not as if they were John Gilligan ffs). Let's hope other young people learn lessons from this.
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 19, 2013, 10:15:52 AM
Any sympathy I may have had for the family of McCollum has been disappated for me by the instance of the mother and sister that she is innocent...now where have I heard that before...What's that Gerry you weren't what?
(http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/v1/designs/12211864,width=178,height=178/Build-a-bridge-and-get-over-it---Motivational.png)
(and that also goes to the dublin media, who clearly have been leading you by the nose on that particular "hot topic" over the past few weeks)
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 19, 2013, 11:33:23 AM
Of course none of us know for sure but we are all entitled to our opinion.
In a lot of these incidents you tend to look at the person's life and see can you build a picture of who they are and how do they live their life. The first thing that hopped out at me was who she seemed to not have her own place but be sponging off guys and living the party life style out in a holiday resort. Of course lots of young people do the same and that's their own choice but I think that sort of lifestyle tends to lead to a lack of self respect and an attitude of getting what you want without having to earn an honest wage for it.
She no doubt is an attractive girl and l would imagine loads of lads would be happy to pay her way for her but maybe she did owe some money and this was a nice little earner that maybe some of her male friends suggested to her. Who knows. I'm totally speculating as I'm sure has been done in earlier pages. I'm sure there are thousands more young girls who live like this and use their good looks to sponge off guys who have a bit of money to spend.
If that persona is accurate of the life she was living then yes she was very naive and immature but by getting caught she sure got the wakeup call that many others never get.
I wonder how this story impacted other possible mules being offered what they thought was a good deal. You would imagine the smarter ones think NO WAY but I would sadly say that there are still probably lots of innocent young girls are stupid enough to believe their bosses that it will all be OK and trust them.
A mate of mine in Belfast who was single about 5 years ago was telling me, it's amazing how many good looking girls that he dated asked him could he not get some coke? He said all they wanted to do was party, go on holiday and spend his money and felt well justified doing that.
The girl from this island is far from attractive. I'd even go for the Scottish doll before her.
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 19, 2013, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 19, 2013, 10:15:52 AM
Any sympathy I may have had for the family of McCollum has been disappated for me by the instance of the mother and sister that she is innocent...now where have I heard that before...What's that Gerry you weren't what?
(http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/v1/designs/12211864,width=178,height=178/Build-a-bridge-and-get-over-it---Motivational.png)
(and that also goes to the dublin media, who clearly have been leading you by the nose on that particular "hot topic" over the past few weeks)
Would that be the peace bridge?
So the conclusion from this thread is either,
A) Send them down for how long?
or
B) Which one would I give one to first?
Quote from: T Fearon on December 19, 2013, 11:37:00 AM
If there were no drug users, there'd be no drug traffickers. Without in any way condoning drug trafficking or drug abuse, I just feel sad for their plight, naievety,etc (it's not as if they were John Gilligan ffs). Let's hope other young people learn lessons from this.
They also arrest drug users Tony, no mules no coke, no coke no mules. Have you the same opinion on legal drugs that kill a lot more people but are taxed by the government and make they a lot more money?
I wonder do the cops or drug squad put much effort into following mules back to their suppliers or buyers?
You would imagine they could detect the stuff in luggage and maybe put a tracker into the suitcase or something and then get someone on the other side to track it and catch them.
Or have I been watching too much Homeland?
If she'd only hidden it in her hair she would have gotten away with it and now be enjoying the delights of Dungannon at Christmas time
Dungannon at christmas time? better of in peru!
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 19, 2013, 10:15:52 AM
Any sympathy I may have had for the family of McCollum has been disappated for me by the instance of the mother and sister that she is innocent...now where have I heard that before...What's that Gerry you weren't what?
I ve heard that before too and ....... er the accused were innocent!
Guilty or innocent, they were the softest targets in the whole trade. And I doubt there is really much initiative in drug producing countries to go after the growers etc. It s a lot of peoples' income anyway, and not like they have many alternative incomes in countries like Peru. It s a cash crop. But the local authorities have to be seen to do a bit and haul over a couple to show they re a bit serious. For those 2 caught I ve no doubt hundreds get through. Judging by the size of those girls, they are being well fed and watered. When they are no longer news they will be sent home soon enough.
The important thing is the industry in those countries continue. There is more money in coke than coffee. And that is the bottom line.
Quote from: Cold tea on December 19, 2013, 07:53:34 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on December 19, 2013, 12:30:29 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 18, 2013, 10:48:32 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on August 11, 2013, 02:17:01 AM
She is a young girl who didn't t realise what she was getting herself into.
If she had been a few years older she would have had the sense not to get involved.
She and her poor family have years of torture ahead of them
God help them all
That is b@lls, anyone who carries that amount of drugs into South America or out of it know the risks and deserve all they get. those drugs were meant to peddle misery in Europe and make the couriers (and the dealers) a tidy sum. 19 or not you'd want to be pretty stupid not to know that you are risking jail. She is responsible for all her family's pain and misery.
So any opinion, other than one which agrees with yours, is balls. Is that the way it works
Any opinion other than the fact they deserve everything they get is balls, as noted if she was an ugly bitch from Leeds no one here would give a f**k - slap it up their hole.
Good man 5ive
You obviously picked that name to reflect your intelligence. :-*
Sunday life claim to have a big exclusive from Michaella. Part 1 of 2 this Sunday.
Hopefully we will hear the truth how she got involved in such crime, gangs etc
Quote from: God14 on January 10, 2014, 09:05:19 PM
Sunday life claim to have a big exclusive from Michaella. Part 1 of 2 this Sunday.
Hopefully we will hear the truth how she got involved in such crime, gangs etc
I'd say we'll get the truth alright. Should be something to look forward to.
Quote from: orangeman on January 10, 2014, 11:48:36 PM
Quote from: God14 on January 10, 2014, 09:05:19 PM
Sunday life claim to have a big exclusive from Michaella. Part 1 of 2 this Sunday.
Hopefully we will hear the truth how she got involved in such crime, gangs etc
I'd say we'll get the truth alright. Should be something to look forward to.
We will get her version of the truth anyway, and she will get a few quid for it.
I was told to go to South America. I didn't know what was in my luggage and or they made me do it. I was scared.
Quote from: orangeman on January 11, 2014, 09:54:33 AM
I was told to go to South America. I didn't know what was in my luggage and or they made me do it. I was scared.
If only they had introduced the black card earlier.
Sunday life are adamant she didn't receive a penny. Find that hard to believe, but I will take it at face value as it came direct from Patrica Devlin the derry based journalist who traveled to peru.
I think the frustrating thing about this case is the whole mystery 'jake' character.
I think general public will respect Michaella a lot more if she names & pinpoints him. Otherwise it'll be another jackanory story.
In fairness if you had the misfortune to know Jake,would you be prepared to spill the beans on him?
I would yeah.
It's not Miami Vice we are watching. "Jake" is no doubt another small time player in the food chain. Her family genuinely will not wake up with horses heads beside them at breakfast time.
He deserves naming & shaming. I mean why should he straddle back from
Ibiza to London or wherever and settle back into normal life in obscurity? Whilst these two girls are hung out to dry?
Maybe it is more profitable for her to do her time and mention no names than to sell her story to the papers.
You've been watching too much of the soprano's Tony.
Are you trying to suggest there will be some golden handshake when they get out of prison adventually - presuming they remain silent? Or do you think they have been bullied into silence via the threat of violence?
90% of mules blab the full story when caught. Can't understand why these girls never came clean, as there would have been much more support for them. I mean these two girls are literally begging online for a few quid to feed themselves in jail.
There is no way anybody (bar their parents possibly) thinks they did this for free, it could be that they didn't get paid as they never completed the transation.
Quote from: God14 on January 11, 2014, 03:35:14 PM
You've been watching too much of the soprano's Tony.
Are you trying to suggest there will be some golden handshake when they get out of prison adventually - presuming they remain silent? Or do you think they have been bullied into silence via the threat of violence?
90% of mules blab the full story when caught. Can't understand why these girls never came clean, as there would have been much more support for them. I mean these two girls are literally begging online for a few quid to feed themselves in jail.
Does that not prove, therefore, that they're scared of their lives of this guy. I don't know him and he scares the crap out of me
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Quote from: God14 on January 11, 2014, 03:35:14 PM
You've been watching too much of the soprano's Tony.
Are you trying to suggest there will be some golden handshake when they get out of prison adventually - presuming they remain silent? Or do you think they have been bullied into silence via the threat of violence?
90% of mules blab the full story when caught. Can't understand why these girls never came clean, as there would have been much more support for them. I mean these two girls are literally begging online for a few quid to feed themselves in jail.
Does that not prove, therefore, that they're scared of their lives of this guy. I don't know him and he scares the crap out of me
This Jake has Keyser Soze like status, maybe like Keyser, he's a fictional person
gaaboardmod1 would spend the next week at confession if the photos from this story were posted on the board so I will just post the link. As we are dealing with your typical classy Tyrone girl it is safe to say its NSFW http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/peru-coke-smugglers-a-cheeky-charlie
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/michaella-mccollum-confesses-i-took-drugs-in-ibiza-29909998.html
Is this the article what was in the Sunday Life or was there much more to it than this?
I think there are 5 different 'stories' / links Fuzzman. All pretty much the same as the article yesterday. If you look under the heading "also in this section" you will find them
Not that much new info. Also there is supposedly a Part 2 next Sunday?? Hard to imagine what is left to tell. Unless they've tracked down the mystery Jake but I doubt that.
Sunday Life ripping the arse out of this 'exclusive'
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeL1A4DCcAEjP3t.jpg:large)
A victims family tell how they can earn some cash from her being a stupid girl!
Anyone still interested in this story, RTE have a documentary on this evening at 9.30 entitled 'Michaella, Peru & The Drugs Run'
Ridiculous that money has been wasted on this documentary. The fact they tried to smuggle drugs was bad enough but then to openly lie about it says a lot.
There are more important things happening in Ireland that this money could have been spent on by RTE.
Quote from: Hereiam on July 07, 2014, 09:16:54 AM
Ridiculous that money has been wasted on this documentary. The fact they tried to smuggle drugs was bad enough but then to openly lie about it says a lot.
There are more important things happening in Ireland that this money could have been spent on by RTE.
Hmmn id imagine it will attract strong viewing figures so the bigwigs at RTE wont be too upset. It is a follow up to a major news story last summer. Also I think young Irish people heading on holidays for the first time could & should definitely learn from it. Even the latest 'Magaluf girl scandal' shows us the perils that await young naïve individuals who are intent on experimenting with drugs & extreme alcohol intake.
Quote from: God14 on July 07, 2014, 09:22:22 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on July 07, 2014, 09:16:54 AM
Ridiculous that money has been wasted on this documentary. The fact they tried to smuggle drugs was bad enough but then to openly lie about it says a lot.
There are more important things happening in Ireland that this money could have been spent on by RTE.
Hmmn id imagine it will attract strong viewing figures so the bigwigs at RTE wont be too upset. It is a follow up to a major news story last summer. Also I think young Irish people heading on holidays for the first time could & should definitely learn from it. Even the latest 'Magaluf girl scandal' shows us the perils that await young naïve individuals who are intent on experimenting with drugs & extreme alcohol intake.
Well if it stops one girl getting into trouble then its useful. I've all this coming soon
Quote from: Hereiam on July 07, 2014, 09:16:54 AM
Ridiculous that money has been wasted on this documentary. The fact they tried to smuggle drugs was bad enough but then to openly lie about it says a lot.
There are more important things happening in Ireland that this money could have been spent on by RTE.
Couldnt disagree more. This keeps it fresh in peoples mind and serves as a reminder to the harsh reality of the penalties involved.
As stated by others if it stops someone else its money well spent. When you look at the vast somes of money being spent on drug preventation/rehabilitation and the effects of drug use, this is a drop in the ocean.
no excuse whatsoever for her actions, but the highlighting of the conditions and the effect of the incarceration may stop another naive teenager having their life ruined.
How much is RTE paying this drug mule for the privilege of her doing this documentary is what I would like to know.
Quote from: Hereiam on July 07, 2014, 10:31:23 AM
How much is RTE paying this drug mule for the privilege of her doing this documentary is what I would like to know.
Michaella isn't 'doing' the documentary though? From the preview it seems they only speak to her mother & sister about her ordeal. And also a peru drugs officer who reveals his opinion that Michaella was actually lured into it by Melissa Reid..
Quote from: God14 on July 07, 2014, 10:38:09 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on July 07, 2014, 10:31:23 AM
How much is RTE paying this drug mule for the privilege of her doing this documentary is what I would like to know.
Michaella isn't 'doing' the documentary though? From the preview it seems they only speak to her mother & sister about her ordeal. And also a peru drugs officer who reveals his opinion that Michaella was actually lured into it by Melissa Reid..
Ah ffs
Quote from: Hereiam on July 07, 2014, 09:16:54 AM
Ridiculous that money has been wasted on this documentary. The fact they tried to smuggle drugs was bad enough but then to openly lie about it says a lot.
There are more important things happening in Ireland that this money could have been spent on by RTE.
Yes, agreed, she is easy on the eye.
Interesting story.
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 07, 2014, 10:10:23 PM
Interesting story.
Yeah, what struck me was the inability and/or unwillingness of her mother and sister to admit that she (Michaella) had done anything wrong. They were right on the edge of portraying her as some sort of victim in the process. Seems that the prison isn't quite the hell hole some of the media described at the time.
Quote from: AQMP on July 08, 2014, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 07, 2014, 10:10:23 PM
Interesting story.
Yeah, what struck me was the inability and/or unwillingness of her mother and sister to admit that she (Michaella) had done anything wrong. They were right on the edge of portraying her as some sort of victim in the process. Seems that the prison isn't quite the hell hole some of the media described at the time.
You got that from what?
Quote from: thebigfella on July 08, 2014, 10:48:56 AM
Quote from: AQMP on July 08, 2014, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 07, 2014, 10:10:23 PM
Interesting story.
Yeah, what struck me was the inability and/or unwillingness of her mother and sister to admit that she (Michaella) had done anything wrong. They were right on the edge of portraying her as some sort of victim in the process. Seems that the prison isn't quite the hell hole some of the media described at the time.
You got that from what?
Well she has a job in the place, hairdressing it seems, had she tried that in the first place she could have avoided going to Peru to buy Quakers Oats
Quote from: thebigfella on July 08, 2014, 10:48:56 AM
Quote from: AQMP on July 08, 2014, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 07, 2014, 10:10:23 PM
Interesting story.
Yeah, what struck me was the inability and/or unwillingness of her mother and sister to admit that she (Michaella) had done anything wrong. They were right on the edge of portraying her as some sort of victim in the process. Seems that the prison isn't quite the hell hole some of the media described at the time.
You got that from what?
She and Reid are held separately from the other prisoners, she has a job in the prison hairdressing "salon", her family are able to send her money to purchase various items (including shampoo).
Also according to the Peruvian "drug czar" they got a very light sentence and could be out in less than 3 years.
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Quote from: thebigfella on July 08, 2014, 10:48:56 AM
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Quote from: Lecale2 on July 07, 2014, 10:10:23 PM
Interesting story.
Yeah, what struck me was the inability and/or unwillingness of her mother and sister to admit that she (Michaella) had done anything wrong. They were right on the edge of portraying her as some sort of victim in the process. Seems that the prison isn't quite the hell hole some of the media described at the time.
You got that from what?
She and Reid are held separately from the other prisoners, she has a job in the prison hairdressing "salon", her family are able to send her money to purchase various items (including shampoo).
Also according to the Peruvian "drug czar" they got a very light sentence and could be out in less than 3 years.
We all know what happened in the institutions in this country behind closed doors. Some f**king assumption to make it's not a hell hole based on the above.
By the way I'm not defending them; i'm just pointing out the program offered nothing to back up the place isn't a hell hole or they are getting it easy.
Quote from: AQMP on July 08, 2014, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 07, 2014, 10:10:23 PM
Interesting story.
Yeah, what struck me was the inability and/or unwillingness of her mother and sister to admit that she (Michaella) had done anything wrong. They were right on the edge of portraying her as some sort of victim in the process. Seems that the prison isn't quite the hell hole some of the media described at the time.
They went beyond the edge in that regard long ago, when they set up an online donations site for her legal fees.
http://www.youcaring.com/other/michaella-mccollum-appeal-fund-/84386
So far, people have donated £4,410 to help a drugs smuggler :-\
Quote from: thebigfella on July 08, 2014, 11:38:36 AM
Quote from: AQMP on July 08, 2014, 11:17:35 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on July 08, 2014, 10:48:56 AM
Quote from: AQMP on July 08, 2014, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 07, 2014, 10:10:23 PM
Interesting story.
Yeah, what struck me was the inability and/or unwillingness of her mother and sister to admit that she (Michaella) had done anything wrong. They were right on the edge of portraying her as some sort of victim in the process. Seems that the prison isn't quite the hell hole some of the media described at the time.
You got that from what?
She and Reid are held separately from the other prisoners, she has a job in the prison hairdressing "salon", her family are able to send her money to purchase various items (including shampoo).
Also according to the Peruvian "drug czar" they got a very light sentence and could be out in less than 3 years.
We all know what happened in the institutions in this country behind closed doors. Some f**king assumption to make it's not a hell hole based on the above.
By the way I'm not defending them; i'm just pointing out the program offered nothing to back up the place isn't a hell hole or they are getting it easy.
Well I prefer a shithole prison to a pampered one in fairness, I'd have them slamming rocks for 8 hours a day. The feckers here get sky tv and playstations and 3 free cooked meals (Which we tax payers are paying for)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2014, 12:35:26 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on July 08, 2014, 11:38:36 AM
Quote from: AQMP on July 08, 2014, 11:17:35 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on July 08, 2014, 10:48:56 AM
Quote from: AQMP on July 08, 2014, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 07, 2014, 10:10:23 PM
Interesting story.
Yeah, what struck me was the inability and/or unwillingness of her mother and sister to admit that she (Michaella) had done anything wrong. They were right on the edge of portraying her as some sort of victim in the process. Seems that the prison isn't quite the hell hole some of the media described at the time.
You got that from what?
She and Reid are held separately from the other prisoners, she has a job in the prison hairdressing "salon", her family are able to send her money to purchase various items (including shampoo).
Also according to the Peruvian "drug czar" they got a very light sentence and could be out in less than 3 years.
We all know what happened in the institutions in this country behind closed doors. Some f**king assumption to make it's not a hell hole based on the above.
By the way I'm not defending them; i'm just pointing out the program offered nothing to back up the place isn't a hell hole or they are getting it easy.
Well I prefer a shithole prison to a pampered one in fairness, I'd have them slamming rocks for 8 hours a day. The feckers here get sky tv and playstations and 3 free cooked meals (Which we tax payers are paying for)
As do pretty much all the dole jockeys/ DLA's etc that we pay for as well!
Quote from: NAG1 on July 08, 2014, 12:36:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2014, 12:35:26 PM
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Quote from: AQMP on July 08, 2014, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 07, 2014, 10:10:23 PM
Interesting story.
Yeah, what struck me was the inability and/or unwillingness of her mother and sister to admit that she (Michaella) had done anything wrong. They were right on the edge of portraying her as some sort of victim in the process. Seems that the prison isn't quite the hell hole some of the media described at the time.
You got that from what?
She and Reid are held separately from the other prisoners, she has a job in the prison hairdressing "salon", her family are able to send her money to purchase various items (including shampoo).
Also according to the Peruvian "drug czar" they got a very light sentence and could be out in less than 3 years.
We all know what happened in the institutions in this country behind closed doors. Some f**king assumption to make it's not a hell hole based on the above.
By the way I'm not defending them; i'm just pointing out the program offered nothing to back up the place isn't a hell hole or they are getting it easy.
Well I prefer a shithole prison to a pampered one in fairness, I'd have them slamming rocks for 8 hours a day. The feckers here get sky tv and playstations and 3 free cooked meals (Which we tax payers are paying for)
As do pretty much all the dole jockeys/ DLA's etc that we pay for as well!
That's a thread all on it's own NAG1
I think the girl doesn't deserve to be totally blasted for this. I actually felt sorry for her and the family last night - We all make mistakes (granted this is a big one) and I think she deserves forgiveness and a second chance. I wouldn't like to see her doing the full sentence anyway!
Feck her.
She borrowed waaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond her means.
11 kg of power would fund a whole fcuk load of misery - 6 years or whatever she serves is good enough.
Of course she has family - we all have family. She didn't have the smarts to see where she could end up. Had she been a mule from Nigeria caught in Dublin would we have any sympathy? I doubt it.
Being pretty and from T'rone is not a get out card in my opinion.
Quote from: WT4E on July 08, 2014, 12:41:53 PM
I think the girl doesn't deserve to be totally blasted for this. I actually felt sorry for her and the family last night - We all make mistakes (granted this is a big one) and I think she deserves forgiveness and a second chance. I wouldn't like to see her doing the full sentence anyway!
Have you made the mistake of heading to Peru to smuggle drugs to Spain before? If the girl wasn't from here would you have cared? She has put her family through hell, first part was heading off somewhere without saying and had her family thinking she was missing then she ended up in Peru trying to smuggle 11kilo of cocaine to Spain. With some mad story, ends up she would only have got 5 grand!! I've sympathy for here no doubt, as you have said we have made wrong choices at times but this is beyond dumbass. She had plenty chances to get out of there but thought she'd stick it out. She moved to Belfast at 16 years of age, bit young don't you think?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2014, 12:35:26 PM
Well I prefer a shithole prison to a pampered one in fairness, I'd have them slamming rocks for 8 hours a day. The feckers here get sky tv and playstations and 3 free cooked meals (Which we tax payers are paying for)
Got a tour of Mountjoy once and I didn't see much in the way of Sky TV or Playstations. As for three cooked meals a day, should they be only getting bread and water?
Quote from: deiseach on July 08, 2014, 12:54:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2014, 12:35:26 PM
Well I prefer a shithole prison to a pampered one in fairness, I'd have them slamming rocks for 8 hours a day. The feckers here get sky tv and playstations and 3 free cooked meals (Which we tax payers are paying for)
Got a tour of Mountjoy once and I didn't see much in the way of Sky TV or Playstations. As for three cooked meals a day, should they be only getting bread and water?
Looks good
(http://cdn1.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/article29677203.ece/57ee4/ALTERNATES/h342/PANews+BT_f3c93e16-44ea-4963-8f66-27047215468c_I1.jpg)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2014, 12:57:17 PM
Quote from: deiseach on July 08, 2014, 12:54:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2014, 12:35:26 PM
Well I prefer a shithole prison to a pampered one in fairness, I'd have them slamming rocks for 8 hours a day. The feckers here get sky tv and playstations and 3 free cooked meals (Which we tax payers are paying for)
Got a tour of Mountjoy once and I didn't see much in the way of Sky TV or Playstations. As for three cooked meals a day, should they be only getting bread and water?
Looks good
(http://cdn1.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/article29677203.ece/57ee4/ALTERNATES/h342/PANews+BT_f3c93e16-44ea-4963-8f66-27047215468c_I1.jpg)
I don't see any Playstation or Sky box.
Quote from: deiseach on July 08, 2014, 12:58:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2014, 12:57:17 PM
Quote from: deiseach on July 08, 2014, 12:54:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2014, 12:35:26 PM
Well I prefer a shithole prison to a pampered one in fairness, I'd have them slamming rocks for 8 hours a day. The feckers here get sky tv and playstations and 3 free cooked meals (Which we tax payers are paying for)
Got a tour of Mountjoy once and I didn't see much in the way of Sky TV or Playstations. As for three cooked meals a day, should they be only getting bread and water?
Looks good
(http://cdn1.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/article29677203.ece/57ee4/ALTERNATES/h342/PANews+BT_f3c93e16-44ea-4963-8f66-27047215468c_I1.jpg)
I don't see any Playstation or Sky box.
That in the games room ya header, they have pool and snooker tables in there also. And manage to have drugs brought in. Proper holiday
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2014, 01:02:03 PM
Quote from: deiseach on July 08, 2014, 12:58:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2014, 12:57:17 PM
Quote from: deiseach on July 08, 2014, 12:54:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2014, 12:35:26 PM
Well I prefer a shithole prison to a pampered one in fairness, I'd have them slamming rocks for 8 hours a day. The feckers here get sky tv and playstations and 3 free cooked meals (Which we tax payers are paying for)
Got a tour of Mountjoy once and I didn't see much in the way of Sky TV or Playstations. As for three cooked meals a day, should they be only getting bread and water?
Looks good
(http://cdn1.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/article29677203.ece/57ee4/ALTERNATES/h342/PANews+BT_f3c93e16-44ea-4963-8f66-27047215468c_I1.jpg)
I don't see any Playstation or Sky box.
That in the games room ya header, they have pool and snooker tables in there also. And manage to have drugs brought in. Proper holiday
The joy brings many things
It cannot bring you joy
Sons of mothers huddle here
Men and boys
1850 swung the doors
And human sewage swept inside
Where victims speak in whines
And where the hardened cried
I was sent here by a 3 foot half-wit in a wig
I took his insults on the chin, and never did I flinch
A swagger hides the fear in here
By this rule we breathe
And there is no one on this earth
Who I'd feel sad to leave
You see we all lose
We all lose
What those in power do to you
Reminds us at a glance
How humans hate each others guts
And show it given a chance
We never say aloud the things
That we say in our prayers
Cause no one cares
Many executed here
By the awful lawfully good
But the only thing that makes me cry
Is when I see the sky
Brendan Behan's laughter rings
For what he had or hadn't done
For he knew then as I know now
That for each and every one of us
We all lose
Rich or poor, we all lose
Rich or poor, they all lose
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 08, 2014, 12:51:21 PM
Feck her.
She borrowed waaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond her means.
11 kg of power would fund a whole fcuk load of misery - 6 years or whatever she serves is good enough.
Of course she has family - we all have family. She didn't have the smarts to see where she could end up. Had she been a mule from Nigeria caught in Dublin would we have any sympathy? I doubt it.
Being pretty and from T'rone is not a get out card in my opinion.
This may have been, but shes not
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2014, 01:02:03 PM
That in the games room ya header, they have pool and snooker tables in there also. And manage to have drugs brought in. Proper holiday
Yeah, proper holiday...
Quote from: deiseach on July 08, 2014, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2014, 01:02:03 PM
That in the games room ya header, they have pool and snooker tables in there also. And manage to have drugs brought in. Proper holiday
Yeah, proper holiday...
Well I tell ya what, 3 shower of cnuts came to my mums house yesterday to rob her, they had crowbar in hand and where trying to open the front door in broad daylight. Only for the elderly neighbours to come to her rescue, the thugs swiped at these neighbours with the crowbar before leaving, what little stuff my mum has would have been stolen, description was fellas in their 30's and driving a light coloured car with southern reg.
You rather these cnuts be given time off for good behaviour no doubt, I hope they come to your door or your mums door and lets see the compassion in you
What is it you want, revenge or justice?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2014, 01:22:56 PM
Quote from: deiseach on July 08, 2014, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2014, 01:02:03 PM
That in the games room ya header, they have pool and snooker tables in there also. And manage to have drugs brought in. Proper holiday
Yeah, proper holiday...
Well I tell ya what, 3 shower of cnuts came to my mums house yesterday to rob her, they had crowbar in hand and where trying to open the front door in broad daylight. Only for the elderly neighbours to come to her rescue, the thugs swiped at these neighbours with the crowbar before leaving, what little stuff my mum has would have been stolen, description was fellas in their 30's and driving a light coloured car with southern reg.
You rather these cnuts be given time off for good behaviour no doubt, I hope they come to your door or your mums door and lets see the compassion in you
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying ::)
Quote from: deiseach on July 08, 2014, 01:25:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2014, 01:22:56 PM
Quote from: deiseach on July 08, 2014, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2014, 01:02:03 PM
That in the games room ya header, they have pool and snooker tables in there also. And manage to have drugs brought in. Proper holiday
Yeah, proper holiday...
Well I tell ya what, 3 shower of cnuts came to my mums house yesterday to rob her, they had crowbar in hand and where trying to open the front door in broad daylight. Only for the elderly neighbours to come to her rescue, the thugs swiped at these neighbours with the crowbar before leaving, what little stuff my mum has would have been stolen, description was fellas in their 30's and driving a light coloured car with southern reg.
You rather these cnuts be given time off for good behaviour no doubt, I hope they come to your door or your mums door and lets see the compassion in you
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying ::)
Hmmm...I think deiseach should be accounting for his whereabouts.
Quote from: haranguerer on July 08, 2014, 01:24:58 PM
What is it you want, revenge or justice?
I'd like them to be caught and proper sentence given, revenge is pointless and nowhere in my posts have I said that, proper time with hard labour, what's the harm in that?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 08, 2014, 01:29:05 PMHmmm...I think deiseach should be accounting for his whereabouts.
Hanging is too good for me.
Quote from: deiseach on July 08, 2014, 01:33:28 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 08, 2014, 01:29:05 PMHmmm...I think deiseach should be accounting for his whereabouts.
Hanging is too good for me.
Need a good strong rope I'd say, Tony's would need to be made of steel
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2014, 12:52:23 PM
Have you made the mistake of heading to Peru to smuggle drugs to Spain before? If the girl wasn't from here would you have cared? She has put her family through hell, first part was heading off somewhere without saying and had her family thinking she was missing then she ended up in Peru trying to smuggle 11kilo of cocaine to Spain. With some mad story, ends up she would only have got 5 grand!! I've sympathy for here no doubt, as you have said we have made wrong choices at times but this is beyond dumbass. She had plenty chances to get out of there but thought she'd stick it out. She moved to Belfast at 16 years of age, bit young don't you think?
I might not have heard enough about it if she wasn't from here to care but I think its due to the fact that she is from Ireland I can relate to that.
Going to live in Belfast at 16 II found a bit strange - I can just imagine my mother/father reaction if one of the family wanted to do that. However she does come across as a wild child and I think her biggest problem throughout all of this is being young and foolish.
She deserves to be doing time for it but all I'm saying is I feel sorry for the whole situation and if they let her out after doing half the time I'd be surprised if she got into serious bother again. And if she did my sympathy levels would be very low! ;)
Quote from: WT4E on July 08, 2014, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2014, 12:52:23 PM
Have you made the mistake of heading to Peru to smuggle drugs to Spain before? If the girl wasn't from here would you have cared? She has put her family through hell, first part was heading off somewhere without saying and had her family thinking she was missing then she ended up in Peru trying to smuggle 11kilo of cocaine to Spain. With some mad story, ends up she would only have got 5 grand!! I've sympathy for here no doubt, as you have said we have made wrong choices at times but this is beyond dumbass. She had plenty chances to get out of there but thought she'd stick it out. She moved to Belfast at 16 years of age, bit young don't you think?
I might not have heard enough about it if she wasn't from here to care but I think its due to the fact that she is from Ireland I can relate to that.
Going to live in Belfast at 16 II found a bit strange - I can just imagine my mother/father reaction if one of the family wanted to do that. However she does come across as a wild child and I think her biggest problem throughout all of this is being young and foolish.
She deserves to be doing time for it but all I'm saying is I feel sorry for the whole situation and if they let her out after doing half the time I'd be surprised if she got into serious bother again. And if she did my sympathy levels would be very low! ;)
Agreed, we get thinking cause she's from here that we can relate to it, the family looked distraught and rightly so.
I think she'll come out of this a lot wiser and I doubt for a second that she will be doing anything like this again, it was a one off for sure but I've little sympathy as the reality must have been simple for her to see if she got caught.
The court guy was adamant that she'll do the time in Peru during that show last night
Im with WT4E. Some people on here have a lack of compassion for a very stupit, silly & naïve individual.
Quote from: God14 on July 08, 2014, 01:55:33 PM
Im with WT4E. Some people on here have a lack of compassion for a very stupit, silly & naïve individual.
;D
Quote from: God14 on July 08, 2014, 01:55:33 PM
Im with WT4E. Some people on here have a lack of compassion for a very stupit, silly & naïve individual.
Or the other side of the debate:
Some people on here have a misplaced sense of compassion for a very stupid, silly and naïve drug smuggler.
Quote from: AQMP on July 08, 2014, 01:58:59 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 08, 2014, 01:55:33 PM
Im with WT4E. Some people on here have a lack of compassion for a very stupit, silly & naïve individual.
Or the other side of the debate:
Some people on here have a misplaced sense of compassion for a very stupid, silly and naïve drug smuggler.
Here's another naïve drug smuggler
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-27347081
Quote from: AQMP on July 08, 2014, 01:58:59 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 08, 2014, 01:55:33 PM
Im with WT4E. Some people on here have a lack of compassion for a very stupit, silly & naïve individual.
Or the other side of the debate:
Some people on here have a misplaced sense of compassion for a very stupid, silly and naïve drug smuggler.
TBF, taking these two off the street makes very little difference, there are plenty more where they came from I'd be interested in knowing what the cops in Peru & Spain are doing about the suppliers and the guys who sent these two......locking them up would make a difference
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 08, 2014, 02:11:28 PM
Quote from: AQMP on July 08, 2014, 01:58:59 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 08, 2014, 01:55:33 PM
Im with WT4E. Some people on here have a lack of compassion for a very stupit, silly & naïve individual.
Or the other side of the debate:
Some people on here have a misplaced sense of compassion for a very stupid, silly and naïve drug smuggler.
TBF, taking these two off the street makes very little difference, there are plenty more where they came from I'd be interested in knowing what the cops in Peru & Spain are doing about the suppliers and the guys who sent these two......locking them up would make a difference
They mentioned their names but these guys seem to be big players, the Spanish cop seemed impressed that they were going straight to the main guys in Peru. He's convinced that that this was big enough. What would the street value been on 11 kilo's of cocaine? (considering it was coming as pure coke)
To paraphrase Brendan Gleeson in the Guard, it depends on what street you're buying your cocaine on!!
;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2014, 02:02:41 PM
Here's another naïve drug smuggler
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-27347081
I'm not on here to try and compare like for like drug trafficking - just saying that I feel sorry for her and her family. Possibly there are people on here who have lost someone close to drug addiction and they would have a right to feel no pity but thankfully I haven't.
Can't say I'm bursting with sympathy for anyone who willingly gets involved in drug trafficking. They made their bed, they can lie in it.
Correct Nally Stand.
No sympathy for her. She should do her time and hopefully that will serve as a lesson for others.
When i was growing up out of maybe 20 lads i think i was the only one who didn't try something which was say illegal in the mind altering area with 1 exception 1 nite, due to the fact that i had a tendency to be allergic to things and would likely have took a serious reaction. I was maybe sensible beyond my years back then, I find it hard to believe alot of people with no sympathy on here have not tried drugs giving what the strike out rate in a small rural country village in the North was.
So if my friends or you made a mistake trying drugs back then why are we so hard on this girl who to me doesn't seem to have the common sense to know what she doing and thought they a normal thing in the drug scene some people get caught up on on holidays, abit like that foolish girl from Portadown recently masking papers for doing somethings abroad to.
Drugs are bad most people know that but i have some friends who argue with me that speed, E`s etc are not dangerous, they men are in their lates 30`s, so if they haven't the commonsense to realise the danger i find it hard to be down on this girl who to be doesn't understand the dangers of drugs or smuggling. She does of course know now the hard way.
Never tried any of that shit and never will.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 08, 2014, 08:10:30 PM
When i was growing up out of maybe 20 lads i think i was the only one who didn't try something which was say illegal in the mind altering area with 1 exception 1 nite, due to the fact that i had a tendency to be allergic to things and would likely have took a serious reaction. I was maybe sensible beyond my years back then, I find it hard to believe alot of people with no sympathy on here have not tried drugs giving what the strike out rate in a small rural country village in the North was.
So if my friends or you made a mistake trying drugs back then why are we so hard on this girl who to me doesn't seem to have the common sense to know what she doing and thought they a normal thing in the drug scene some people get caught up on on holidays, abit like that foolish girl from Portadown recently masking papers for doing somethings abroad to.
Drugs are bad most people know that but i have some friends who argue with me that speed, E`s etc are not dangerous, they men are in their lates 30`s, so if they haven't the commonsense to realise the danger i find it hard to be down on this girl who to be doesn't understand the dangers of drugs or smuggling. She does of course know now the hard way.
Don't think people have issues with her taking (ingesting) drugs, that may or may not lead her into harm, the issue is her taking (smuggling) drugs. That is putting other people at risk of harm.
For any fellow nordies who missed the show on RTE the other night & have the 'region block' on RTE player, its available on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hbsw90lar0
Nothing new in the documentary that hasn't been discussed here though to be fair.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 08, 2014, 08:10:30 PM
Drugs are bad most people know that but i have some friends who argue with me that speed, E`s etc are not dangerous, they men are in their lates 30`s, so if they haven't the commonsense to realise the danger i find it hard to be down on this girl who to be doesn't understand the dangers of drugs or smuggling. She does of course know now the hard way.
Its very simple. She tried to do something illegal, knowing full well the consequences if she was caught. She was caught, she deserves all the time she gets. She actually deserves more than she got because she told a load of sh**e to all and sundry. Being a dumbass shouldnt be an excuse for reduced jailtime.
Quote from: haranguerer on July 09, 2014, 08:51:11 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 08, 2014, 08:10:30 PM
Drugs are bad most people know that but i have some friends who argue with me that speed, E`s etc are not dangerous, they men are in their lates 30`s, so if they haven't the commonsense to realise the danger i find it hard to be down on this girl who to be doesn't understand the dangers of drugs or smuggling. She does of course know now the hard way.
Its very simple. She tried to do something illegal, knowing full well the consequences if she was caught. She was caught, she deserves all the time she gets. She actually deserves more than she got because she told a load of sh**e to all and sundry. Being a dumbass shouldnt be an excuse for reduced jailtime.
Listening to Peter Madden her Solicitor, I think its clear Michaella was under the illusion that even if she was caught, they'd confiscate the drugs, give her some sort of grilling & telling off - and then she'd go back to Ibiza or Ireland or whatever!
I genuinely don't think she considered the consequences
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 08, 2014, 08:10:30 PM
When i was growing up out of maybe 20 lads i think i was the only one who didn't try something which was say illegal in the mind altering area with 1 exception 1 nite, due to the fact that i had a tendency to be allergic to things and would likely have took a serious reaction. I was maybe sensible beyond my years back then, I find it hard to believe alot of people with no sympathy on here have not tried drugs giving what the strike out rate in a small rural country village in the North was.
So if my friends or you made a mistake trying drugs back then why are we so hard on this girl who to me doesn't seem to have the common sense to know what she doing and thought they a normal thing in the drug scene some people get caught up on on holidays, abit like that foolish girl from Portadown recently masking papers for doing somethings abroad to.
Drugs are bad most people know that but i have some friends who argue with me that speed, E`s etc are not dangerous, they men are in their lates 30`s, so if they haven't the commonsense to realise the danger i find it hard to be down on this girl who to be doesn't understand the dangers of drugs or smuggling. She does of course know now the hard way.
I think taking drugs and smuggling are both illegal and if you get caught doing either then most people, even people who take drugs will have little sympathy, so the vast majority of people who don't take drugs or have had people within their family who have had their lives destroyed because of drugs will have a strong view on what this girl did.
Anyone who takes E's in Northern Ireland today needs there heads examined, it's laced with all sorts of shite that will kill you or destroy parts of your organs. Mad!! Dope still being smoked regularly, and this claim that its not addictive is not fooling anyone, I know boys who buy it every week(mid to late 30's), that's an addiction, I'm not going to lie, I've had plenty, but grew out of it like most people do, and I'm not being hypocritical, if I were caught doing something that silly then you'd just have to deal with it, It seems that's now what's she's done and moved on.
Quote from: LeoMc on July 08, 2014, 10:23:42 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 08, 2014, 08:10:30 PM
When i was growing up out of maybe 20 lads i think i was the only one who didn't try something which was say illegal in the mind altering area with 1 exception 1 nite, due to the fact that i had a tendency to be allergic to things and would likely have took a serious reaction. I was maybe sensible beyond my years back then, I find it hard to believe alot of people with no sympathy on here have not tried drugs giving what the strike out rate in a small rural country village in the North was.
So if my friends or you made a mistake trying drugs back then why are we so hard on this girl who to me doesn't seem to have the common sense to know what she doing and thought they a normal thing in the drug scene some people get caught up on on holidays, abit like that foolish girl from Portadown recently masking papers for doing somethings abroad to.
Drugs are bad most people know that but i have some friends who argue with me that speed, E`s etc are not dangerous, they men are in their lates 30`s, so if they haven't the commonsense to realise the danger i find it hard to be down on this girl who to be doesn't understand the dangers of drugs or smuggling. She does of course know now the hard way.
Don't think people have issues with her taking (ingesting) drugs, that may or may not lead her into harm, the issue is her taking (smuggling) drugs. That is putting other people at risk of harm.
You can't have one without the other Leo!
No demand, no supply.
The drugs user is very much part of the drugs industry and they cannot absolve themselves from the pain and misery that the drugs gangs and smugglers cause in getting them their wee fix on a weekend after a hard weeks work.
Even in front of the camera when caught the two of them were clearly wondering what all the fuss was about. Just two gullible and very easliy led/stupid girls.
You can only begin to imagine the tricks and the speil the smugglers have perfected over the years to convince gullible but attractive girls to become mules. Would make a good McIntyre fly on the wall!
Ffs - they dont seemed exploited to me. Stupid, yes, exploited no. Any time a woman does anything some people seem to be looking for exploitation somewhere. Kinda suggests they dont have their own brains
Quote from: haranguerer on July 09, 2014, 03:04:48 PM
Ffs - they dont seemed exploited to me. Stupid, yes, exploited no. Any time a woman does anything some people seem to be looking for exploitation somewhere. Kinda suggests they dont have their own brains
Fair enough but as the documentary alluded to most mules share characteristics such as (a) being young & stupid, (b) from a broken home, (c) little or no education, (d) limited employment opportunities (e) strapped for cash (f) dabbling in drug use themselves (g) misplaced sense of adventure
Michaella ticks all the above boxes there.
That doesnt mean anything though. The characteristics all are just logic, they're not an excuse nor are they mitigating factors.
Quote from: God14 on July 09, 2014, 03:22:43 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on July 09, 2014, 03:04:48 PM
Ffs - they dont seemed exploited to me. Stupid, yes, exploited no. Any time a woman does anything some people seem to be looking for exploitation somewhere. Kinda suggests they dont have their own brains
Fair enough but as the documentary alluded to most mules share characteristics such as (a) being young & stupid, (b) from a broken home, (c) little or no education, (d) limited employment opportunities (e) strapped for cash (f) dabbling in drug use themselves (g) misplaced sense of adventure
Michaella ticks all the above boxes there.
I would say it is very clear they wilfully broke the law therefore need to take the punishment.
New chapter in the book set in motion today - 'Homeward Bound'
Quote from: Aristo 60 on August 06, 2014, 12:06:47 PM
New chapter in the book set in motion today - 'Homeward Bound'
so it seems:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28674917
Glad to hear it.
Quote from: WT4E on August 06, 2014, 05:39:40 PM
Glad to hear it.
you are happy to be paying for her stay in prison?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 06, 2014, 05:56:07 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 06, 2014, 05:39:40 PM
Glad to hear it.
you are happy to be paying for her stay in prison?
Yeah - why not - throw her in too - paying for a pile of other fckers.
As long as they don't deduct a line out of my pay that says Peru2 tax!!!! :-\
Is she supposed to be going to Hydebank, I always thought that was a young offenders centre, not a prison so to speak.
Quote from: johnneycool on August 07, 2014, 09:53:36 AM
Is she supposed to be going to Hydebank, I always thought that was a young offenders centre, not a prison so to speak.
There is a woman's part to this I think
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2014, 10:23:06 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 07, 2014, 09:53:36 AM
Is she supposed to be going to Hydebank, I always thought that was a young offenders centre, not a prison so to speak.
There is a woman's part to this I think
There is a womens' prison and a young offenders centre at Hydebank. Won't be much craic serving her sentence there either. The prison system in N Ireland is a shambles http://nicrimejustice.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/deja-vu-for-northern-irish-prisons/
Though at least family will be able to visit.
Quote from: hardstation on August 07, 2014, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 07, 2014, 09:53:36 AM
Is she supposed to be going to Hydebank, I always thought that was a young offenders centre, not a prison so to speak.
Yeah she'll be thrown in there with other 'rides' such as Hazel Stewart.
Stares out the window doing a Homer simpson style hmmmmmm......
That RTÉ programme was on there again, you have to wonder about some people's belief in an easy life. It seems she was working in the haridressing salon in Peru, so she can earn an honest crust in Dungannon when she finally gets out.
Would expect them both to be sent home within the next 6-12 months.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 10, 2014, 11:35:33 PM
That RTÉ programme was on there again, you have to wonder about some people's belief in an easy life. It seems she was working in the haridressing salon in Peru, so she can earn an honest crust in Dungannon when she finally gets out.
Yeah, she could pick up a trade and the language!
Quote from: LeoMc on November 12, 2014, 08:16:49 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 10, 2014, 11:35:33 PM
That RTÉ programme was on there again, you have to wonder about some people's belief in an easy life. It seems she was working in the haridressing salon in Peru, so she can earn an honest crust in Dungannon when she finally gets out.
Yeah, she could pick up a trade and the language!
Spanish and Portuguese are very similar so she should feel right at home in Dungannon.
Looks like she could be on her way to the women's prison at Hydebank in South Belfast soon.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0107/670867-michaella-mccollum-ni-repatriation/
18 months or so now isn't it? Seems much longer, I wonder how long she will serve here. I'm sure the family must be relieved.
I see Mel Reid has aged to do adverts for the British Foreign Office warning about the risks of drug smuggling!
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 08, 2015, 09:40:19 AM
I see Mel Reid has aged to do adverts for the British Foreign Office warning about the risks of drug smuggling!
The publicity on these events, circulated on Facebook and the like, might well save some other bimbos from ending up likewise.
Absolutely amazed to read in the paper yesterday,about the prominent former GAA star,in his 60s,facing similar charges in Hong Kong.He's in his 60s,and unlike these two young girls,definitely should know better
You a link to that article Tony?
Quote from: T Fearon on November 01, 2015, 07:18:11 AM
Absolutely amazed to read in the paper yesterday,about the prominent former GAA star,in his 60s,facing similar charges in Hong Kong.He's in his 60s,and unlike these two young girls,definitely should know better
Why would you be amazed? We all make right & wrong decisions throughout our lives.
I agree,though most of us don't decide to involve ourselves in criminal activity.I have no sympathy whatsoever for drug mules,but these two young girls have been crucified,on this thread alone,while a former GAA star,now in his 60s,is already being excused under the "we all make wrong decisions"adage
Quote from: T Fearon on November 01, 2015, 09:19:55 AM
I agree,though most of us don't decide to involve ourselves in criminal activity.I have no sympathy whatsoever for drug mules,but these two young girls have been crucified,on this thread alone,while a former GAA star,now in his 60s,is already being excused under the "we all make wrong decisions"adage
On post and we all accept it as a "wrong decision" you are mental Tony... Nobody knows who it is or if its true... You've just put it up ya header..... Come back with a link
http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/former-gaa-star-facing-20-years-in-hong-kong-prison-if-convicted-of-drug-smuggling-34156273.html
Here's what tony is referring to.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2015, 09:28:15 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on November 01, 2015, 09:19:55 AM
I agree,though most of us don't decide to involve ourselves in criminal activity.I have no sympathy whatsoever for drug mules,but these two young girls have been crucified,on this thread alone,while a former GAA star,now in his 60s,is already being excused under the "we all make wrong decisions"adage
On post and we all accept it as a "wrong decision" you are mental Tony... Nobody knows who it is or if its true... You've just put it up ya header..... Come back with a link
Was on the front of the Indo yesterday. Could be facing 20 years in the slammer in Hong Kong.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 01, 2015, 09:44:03 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2015, 09:28:15 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on November 01, 2015, 09:19:55 AM
I agree,though most of us don't decide to involve ourselves in criminal activity.I have no sympathy whatsoever for drug mules,but these two young girls have been crucified,on this thread alone,while a former GAA star,now in his 60s,is already being excused under the "we all make wrong decisions"adage
On post and we all accept it as a "wrong decision" you are mental Tony... Nobody knows who it is or if its true... You've just put it up ya header..... Come back with a link
Was on the front of the Indo yesterday. Could be facing 20 years in the slammer in Hong Kong.
Any numpty stupid or desperate enough to do that deserves all they get.... At what point when they are doing this do the think its all going to work out fine??
Quote from: T Fearon on November 01, 2015, 09:19:55 AM
I agree,though most of us don't decide to involve ourselves in criminal activity.I have no sympathy whatsoever for drug mules,but these two young girls have been crucified,on this thread alone,while a former GAA star,now in his 60s,is already being excused under the "we all make wrong decisions"adage
What a w**ker you are Fearon.
You bring the topic to the board and refuse to name the individual in the first place despite the information being in the public domain and then display faux outrage at someone's general remark and revulsion over abuse that the same individual ( who you refused to identify) didn't receive.
I didn't express revulsion,merely pointed out the disparity of treatment,particularly if the alleged offender has a GAA background,evidenced by the fact alone,that it took me to raise the issue when the story was in the public domain a full twenty four hours earlier.
Quote from: T Fearon on November 01, 2015, 11:18:03 AM
I didn't express revulsion,merely pointed out the disparity of treatment,particularly if the alleged offender has a GAA background,evidenced by the fact alone,that it took me to raise the issue when the story was in the public domain a full twenty four hours earlier.
One poster?? Are you completely off your tits?? If he was in jail for so long why has it taken you so long to post about it??
http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/former-gaa-star-facing-20-years-in-hong-kong-prison-if-convicted-of-drug-smuggling-34156273.html
Never heard tell of him.
I only heard about it when I read it yesterday.Quite prominent in the 80s and played in NFL Final against Armagh in 1983.As a mere coincidence,he and I clashed in a soccer match 30 years ago and we were both red carded (hand bag stuff really,as he's about 6ft 5 ins) though shook hands when we reached the sideline.
Didn't he win the Krypton Factor? Really surprised to read this yesterday as I would have credited him with more sense than this
And there it is....'I met him'.
Hell slap it up anyone who resorts to being a drug mule, if you feck about over in Thailand and the like at this stage, given the horror stories from others who chose the same path, you deserve what is coming to you.
Not agreeing with Tony on this specifically guy there's definitely a disparity in treatment of anyone connected to the GAA on the board, especially when it's someone from a poster's home county. Cathal McCarron for example. Same posters who'd gladly make gay jokes every chance they get were up in arms over any jokes made of the situation.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 01, 2015, 11:36:35 AM
http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/former-gaa-star-facing-20-years-in-hong-kong-prison-if-convicted-of-drug-smuggling-34156273.html
Never heard tell of him.
Really!?
Fine player. Regular chb for years with county team.
Quote from: gallsman on November 01, 2015, 01:17:36 PM
Not agreeing with Tony on this specifically guy there's definitely a disparity in treatment of anyone connected to the GAA on the board, especially when it's someone from a poster's home county. Cathal McCarron for example. Same posters who'd gladly make gay jokes every chance they get were up in arms over any jokes made of the situation.
Plenty of apologists for "good Gaels" away from this board too. Good job it's never went professional as plenty of lads would be up to their neck in all sorts.
Quote from: gallsman on November 01, 2015, 01:17:36 PM
Not agreeing with Tony on this specifically guy there's definitely a disparity in treatment of anyone connected to the GAA on the board, especially when it's someone from a poster's home county. Cathal McCarron for example. Same posters who'd gladly make gay jokes every chance they get were up in arms over any jokes made of the situation.
I have made this point before but someone correctly made the comment that it was people covering up or ignoring issues associated with the GAA; it was in fact insensitive to comment on these matters as people on the board may know those involved. I can see the point.
Anyone on this Board could know anyone who is pilloried on it,whether the subject is connected to the GAA or not.
Don't worry.It normally takes slow learners a little longer to reach my conclusions. ;D
Seriously, and as an example,someone referenced a priest convicted of child abuse,during the debate on Sean Brady, who is not connected to the GAA,but who is personally known to me, and I'm sure others on this Board.While I would not in any way attempt to minimise his crimes,far less condone them,he does have a family, who are heartbroken.
Quote from: hardstation on November 01, 2015, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 01, 2015, 05:40:03 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 01, 2015, 01:17:36 PM
Not agreeing with Tony on this specifically guy there's definitely a disparity in treatment of anyone connected to the GAA on the board, especially when it's someone from a poster's home county. Cathal McCarron for example. Same posters who'd gladly make gay jokes every chance they get were up in arms over any jokes made of the situation.
I have made this point before but someone correctly made the comment that it was people covering up or ignoring issues associated with the GAA; it was in fact insensitive to comment on these matters as people on the board may know those involved. I can see the point.
It's the internet. Anyone could stumble across gaaboard and read something about someone they know.
Aye I'm sure Jose Mourinho, Benjamin Netanyahu and Vladimir Luton could stumble across the board, but on balance I think it is more likely that someone connected with the GAA would access it.
Given the strength of the GAA in Ireland,it is inconceivable that someone from Ireland,referenced on this Board,in any context,would not at least,get to hear about it
So what, it shouldn't be discussed because someone in the loop might stumble across it or have word get back to them? People shouldn't discuss horrific issues like child abuse, and not be afraid to openly name people involved, in case you or the family of the abuser hears about it?
On the contrary.But the wagons shouldn't be circled and those with a GAA background should not be exempted.
Quote from: T Fearon on November 01, 2015, 07:16:15 PM
On the contrary.But the wagons shouldn't be circled and those with a GAA background should not be exempted.
Right, one wagon wont do it Tony....
Talk of someone's short-comings as you would your own and you'll find you choose your words a little more carefully. ;)
He got off.
Walked free from prison today.
How many years was that?
Summer 13 til April 16.
Say 2an a half years. Could have been alot worse for her.
Hope she can make a life for herself. Is boys around these parts pushing drugs for years and haven't done a day yet.
Still a lot of time wasted in Peru. It's a short enough life.
Late Late Show next week?
Quote from: longballin on April 01, 2016, 01:59:11 PM
Hope she can make a life for herself. Is boys around these parts pushing drugs for years and haven't done a day yet.
Bless her.
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 01, 2016, 02:20:39 PM
Still a lot of time wasted in Peru. It's a short enough life.
Late Late Show next week?
Jeremy Kyle more like it!!
Any word of the scottish bird with the massive tits?
Bound to be a few night club opening events in tyrone in it for her with the right agent.
I meant for the tyrone bird not the Scottish one....
Word is that she is out (of prison) but cannot leave Peru! That has bound to have its own problems?
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 01, 2016, 09:27:27 PM
Word is that she is out (of prison) but cannot leave Peru! That has bound to have its own problems?
i would imagine they ll not get too annoyed if she manages to get herself onto an aeroplane!
Quote from: Gaffer on April 01, 2016, 11:06:47 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 01, 2016, 09:27:27 PM
Word is that she is out (of prison) but cannot leave Peru! That has bound to have its own problems?
i would imagine they ll not get too annoyed if she manages to get herself onto an aeroplane!
She should probably forget about bringing the porridge home if she does.
Surely she will resume her modelling career now that she has put all this unpleasantness behind her ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Perhaps she'll do ads for Coke.
Is there anywhere I can donate money for a homecoming party?
Our beautiful Tyrone Princess.
She's going to work with the Columban missionaries out there according to the Irish News.
She'll have the baps out in the sun selling her story as soon as she gets home!
Seems to be a fair bit of misogyny in some comments in here.
Quote from: Rois on April 02, 2016, 12:56:55 PM
She's going to work with the Columban missionaries out there according to the Irish News.
You sure it isn't Columbian?
Quote from: No wides on April 02, 2016, 01:22:04 PM
She'll have the baps out in the sun selling her story as soon as she gets home!
Is the other one with the bigger baps still in prison?
Quote from: The Stallion on April 02, 2016, 01:24:28 PM
Seems to be a fair bit of misogyny in some comments in here.
i don't think it is misogyny as much as making fun of/pouring scorn on convicted drug traffickers.
I'd expect whatever work she has done with the Columbans might amount to more than most here have managed apart from the odd 20c in the Trocaire box! Fair few on the board might have gone to Ibiza in their time and plenty of GAA lads take a spin or two out there to club every year. Easy to castigate a wee girl who found herself in situation above her head when your own nieces and nephews might be mixing in the same clubs without as. many friends to guide them is summer.
Quote from: Over the Bar on April 02, 2016, 04:51:46 PM
I'd expect whatever work she has done with the Columbans might amount to more than most here have managed apart from the odd 20c in the Trocaire box! Easy to cast stones at others lads before how you see all the nieces neices and nephews turn out! Fair few of them and yourselves as well as most of the GAA world took a spin or two in Ibiza!
That my be true, but they weren't 'Abducted' put on a plane to deepest darkest Peru to get oats for Paddington Bear!! she'll do better in life once she tells the truth.... And if it were my nieces or nephews id be saying same thing, silly bugger
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That my be true, but they weren't 'Abducted' put on a plane to deepest darkest Peru to get oats for Paddington Bear!! she'll do better in life once she tells the truth.... And if it were my nieces or nephews id be saying same thing, silly bugger
For sure. Hope it never happens to anyone connected to me but drugs are at everyone's door and kids will say anything to get out of trouble. Leave the drugs to one side and I doubt if this tall-tale story is much different to most.
Quote from: Over the Bar on April 02, 2016, 04:51:46 PM
I'd expect whatever work she has done with the Columbans might amount to more than most here have managed apart from the odd 20c in the Trocaire box! Fair few on the board might have gone to Ibiza in their time and plenty of GAA lads take a spin or two out there to club every year. Easy to castigate a wee girl who found herself in situation above her head when your own nieces and nephews might be mixing in the same clubs without as. many friends to guide them is summer.
The same girl wasn't squeaky clean before she went to Ibiza.
Quote from: Windmill abu on April 02, 2016, 03:51:00 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 02, 2016, 01:24:28 PM
Seems to be a fair bit of misogyny in some comments in here.
i don't think it is misogyny as much as making fun of/pouring scorn on convicted drug traffickers.
There's some quite obvious misogyny from a few idiots.
Quote from: Over the Bar on April 02, 2016, 04:51:46 PM
I'd expect whatever work she has done with the Columbans might amount to more than most here have managed apart from the odd 20c in the Trocaire box! Fair few on the board might have gone to Ibiza in their time and plenty of GAA lads take a spin or two out there to club every year. Easy to castigate a wee girl who found herself in situation above her head when your own nieces and nephews might be mixing in the same clubs without as. many friends to guide them is summer.
I think what annoyed most people about this was when her family started playing the victim card
Quote from: laceer on April 02, 2016, 05:26:04 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on April 02, 2016, 04:51:46 PM
I'd expect whatever work she has done with the Columbans might amount to more than most here have managed apart from the odd 20c in the Trocaire box! Fair few on the board might have gone to Ibiza in their time and plenty of GAA lads take a spin or two out there to club every year. Easy to castigate a wee girl who found herself in situation above her head when your own nieces and nephews might be mixing in the same clubs without as. many friends to guide them is summer.
The same girl wasn't squeaky clean before she went to Ibiza.
Yeah but she's from Tyrone so you can't say anything against her on here. Salt of the earth she is.
Quote from: laoislad on April 02, 2016, 05:36:38 PM
Quote from: laceer on April 02, 2016, 05:26:04 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on April 02, 2016, 04:51:46 PM
I'd expect whatever work she has done with the Columbans might amount to more than most here have managed apart from the odd 20c in the Trocaire box! Fair few on the board might have gone to Ibiza in their time and plenty of GAA lads take a spin or two out there to club every year. Easy to castigate a wee girl who found herself in situation above her head when your own nieces and nephews might be mixing in the same clubs without as. many friends to guide them is summer.
The same girl wasn't squeaky clean before she went to Ibiza.
Yeah but she's from Tyrone so you can't say anything against her on here. Salt of the earth she is.
So am I
Quote from: laceer on April 02, 2016, 05:41:53 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 02, 2016, 05:36:38 PM
Quote from: laceer on April 02, 2016, 05:26:04 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on April 02, 2016, 04:51:46 PM
I'd expect whatever work she has done with the Columbans might amount to more than most here have managed apart from the odd 20c in the Trocaire box! Fair few on the board might have gone to Ibiza in their time and plenty of GAA lads take a spin or two out there to club every year. Easy to castigate a wee girl who found herself in situation above her head when your own nieces and nephews might be mixing in the same clubs without as. many friends to guide them is summer.
The same girl wasn't squeaky clean before she went to Ibiza.
Yeah but she's from Tyrone so you can't say anything against her on here. Salt of the earth she is.
So am I
Sorry for your troubles
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I think what annoyed most people about this was when her family started playing the victim card
Why do Liverpool have to feature all the time??
QuoteYeah but she's from Tyrone so you can't say anything against her on here. Salt of the earth she is.
Very disappointed in your post Laoislad.
like a lot of (insert County here) fans I will defend the young men/women of my native county against what I perceive as unjustified criticism of their representation of my county on the sports field.
Your attempt to associate this drug trafficker with the players of gaelic games in Tyrone is either a troll or a sad indication of how far some people will go to tarnish the name of Tyrone.
She's hardly a drug trafficker now come on.
Quote from: Windmill abu on April 02, 2016, 06:40:18 PM
QuoteYeah but she's from Tyrone so you can't say anything against her on here. Salt of the earth she is.
Very disappointed in your post Laoislad.
like a lot of (insert County here) fans I will defend the young men/women of my native county against what I perceive as unjustified criticism of their representation of my county on the sports field.
Your attempt to associate this drug trafficker with the players of gaelic games in Tyrone is either a troll or a sad indication of how far some people will go to tarnish the name of Tyrone.
My attempt at what now?
You have some imagination I'll give you that!
Quote from: laoislad on April 02, 2016, 06:51:23 PM
Quote from: Windmill abu on April 02, 2016, 06:40:18 PM
QuoteYeah but she's from Tyrone so you can't say anything against her on here. Salt of the earth she is.
Very disappointed in your post Laoislad.
like a lot of (insert County here) fans I will defend the young men/women of my native county against what I perceive as unjustified criticism of their representation of my county on the sports field.
Your attempt to associate this drug trafficker with the players of gaelic games in Tyrone is either a troll or a sad indication of how far some people will go to tarnish the name of Tyrone.
My attempt at what now?
You have some imagination I'll give you that!
Your initial quote associates her with posts about other Tyrone people on this forum.
if not the Tyrone gaelic players, who are you saying that we have defended on here?
Is she not better serving the rest of her time working as a missionary than rotting in a jail, at least she can give something back to the country she committed the crime. By reports it sounds like she has kept the head down and used the time usefully becoming fluent in Spanish and was able to speak for herself at the parole hearing, not requiring an interpreter. She deserves a second chance as much as anyone else. I wish her well.
Some people here would prefer she smuggled drugs than worked as a missionary.
Quote from: charlieTully on April 02, 2016, 07:59:17 PM
Is she not better serving the rest of her time working as a missionary than rotting in a jail, at least she can give something back to the country she committed the crime. By reports it sounds like she has kept the head down and used the time usefully becoming fluent in Spanish and was able to speak for herself at the parole hearing, not requiring an interpreter. She deserves a second chance as much as anyone else. I wish her well.
Probably the best post on this thread. I couldn't agree more with you.
Quote from: Nigel White on April 02, 2016, 08:17:43 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on April 02, 2016, 07:59:17 PM
Is she not better serving the rest of her time working as a missionary than rotting in a jail, at least she can give something back to the country she committed the crime. By reports it sounds like she has kept the head down and used the time usefully becoming fluent in Spanish and was able to speak for herself at the parole hearing, not requiring an interpreter. She deserves a second chance as much as anyone else. I wish her well.
Probably the best post on this thread. I couldn't agree more with you.
+1 my feelings exactly.
She is still a Tyrone chav.
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 02, 2016, 09:38:19 PM
She is still a Tyrone chav.
Actually, she's looking much nicer these days
https://mobile.twitter.com/RTEOne/status/716394445994901504/photo/1 (https://mobile.twitter.com/RTEOne/status/716394445994901504/photo/1)
Quote from: ziggysego on April 03, 2016, 09:31:33 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 02, 2016, 09:38:19 PM
She is still a Tyrone chav.
Actually, she's looking much nicer these days
https://mobile.twitter.com/RTEOne/status/716394445994901504/photo/1 (https://mobile.twitter.com/RTEOne/status/716394445994901504/photo/1)
No she isn't.
Wtf does it matter what she looks like. Interview tonight RTE 1 half 9
Quote from: No wides on April 02, 2016, 01:22:04 PM
She'll have the baps out in the sun selling her story as soon as she gets home!
No baps out yet but she got to the sun!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7046571/I-could-have-potentially-killed-a-lot-of-people-Peru-Two-drug-mule-gives-first-interview-since-her-release-from-prison.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7046571/I-could-have-potentially-killed-a-lot-of-people-Peru-Two-drug-mule-gives-first-interview-since-her-release-from-prison.html)
So a kid cañnot make a mistake,but we have dubious characters on all sides in government here?
Quote from: general_lee on April 03, 2016, 10:58:28 AM
Wtf does it matter what she looks like. Interview tonight RTE 1 half 9
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At the time it happened it was reported that she was a "model" so I can see why some people might think its relevant
Quote from: general_lee on April 03, 2016, 10:58:28 AM
Wtf does it matter what she looks like. Interview tonight RTE 1 half 9on
Makes no differences what so ever, just a response about her looks.
As for RTE... she deserved her time under Peruvian, so fair enough, but RTE should not be doing an interview (especially an hour long one) making her out to be celebrity of sorts.
Not aimed at you ziggy. Others going on about her body etc.
Quote from: general_lee on April 03, 2016, 06:04:37 PM
Not aimed at you ziggy. Others going on about her body etc.
I think they were talking about the Scottish girls baps mainly...
If RTE shouldn't be doing an interview why is there a 45 page thread here about it?
Quote from: grounded on April 02, 2016, 08:25:27 PM
Quote from: Nigel White on April 02, 2016, 08:17:43 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on April 02, 2016, 07:59:17 PM
Is she not better serving the rest of her time working as a missionary than rotting in a jail, at least she can give something back to the country she committed the crime. By reports it sounds like she has kept the head down and used the time usefully becoming fluent in Spanish and was able to speak for herself at the parole hearing, not requiring an interpreter. She deserves a second chance as much as anyone else. I wish her well.
Probably the best post on this thread. I couldn't agree more with you.
+1 my feelings exactly.
Me too.
She's looking fine as well.
She certainly doesn't look like she suffered in any way. They do great makeovers in those Latin jails it seems
Gonna need to turn on the subtitles watching this....
Her answers sound scripted.
She was told to leave where she was living in Belfast because of her religion. In 2013? FFS!
Quote from: Tubberman on April 03, 2016, 09:39:47 PM
She was told to leave where she was living in Belfast because of her religion. In 2013? FFS!
Was she a regular churchgoer ??
Quote from: ashman on April 03, 2016, 09:45:48 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 03, 2016, 09:39:47 PM
She was told to leave where she was living in Belfast because of her religion. In 2013? FFS!
Was she a regular churchgoer ??
It's plausible enough that she could have been told to get out of an area of Belfast, even today
Serious holes in that story. Disgrace letting that on TV
Interviewer is patronising. She fecked up, did the time, does not need to be told she is a no good loser. She looks good, good luck to her in the future. Everybody makes mistakes hers was polarised. Some on here have zero empathy.
Interview was awful. Probably only so much she was willing to answer. Her prerogative. Hope she gets home soon and puts it all behind her.
Wonder what her relationship is/was with fellow mule Melissa Reid.
I'd say she's limited in what she can say considering she's still in Peru
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 03, 2016, 10:09:28 PM
Wonder what her relationship is/was with fellow mule Melissa Reid.
Seems they knew little of each other before this. I suppose she could not delve to much into things in regard to Reid as it might incriminate her. She came across as thoughtful and rehearsed in her answers. She told us little or nothing as there are people that she could get into bother and could hurt her. She basically put her drug smuggling experience to being blotto pissed and on the run from Belfast! The interview has probably earned her a couple of quid to pay off a few bills. I presume one of the red tops will want her sterile story next!
Rte announced she wasn't paid for interview.
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 03, 2016, 10:19:34 PM
Rte announced she wasn't paid for interview.
Fair enough! I would not begrudge her getting a few quid to get started out in the real world again!
Quote from: Rudi on April 03, 2016, 10:03:47 PM
Interviewer is patronising. She fecked up, did the time, does not need to be told she is a no good loser. She looks good, good luck to her in the future. Everybody makes mistakes hers was polarised. Some on here have zero empathy.
Plus 1.
She fucked up and got in over her head. She was then in Peru and couldn't back out. Partied the head of herself like many before her and made a stupid decision.
Yes all the answers were scripted in that she was saying I cant believe I couldve potentially killed ppl and awashed europe with drugs but she has to stick to it for her own sake. She came across well...she's still v young yet was fit to look the interviewer in the eye ans answer the questions
The interviewer was actually v poor...repeating his question about how does she now feel about what she did etc. ..hewas ppatronising a wee bit and basically ran out of questions
Listen believe me there is a lot worse out there. ..beating women, kids etc...she made a mistake and paid for it severely. ..I wish her the best
And as for those eejits saying she looks ok for someone who has been in jail...do you think she should have been flailed in there or beaten as punishment? She's had a good clean for the tv cameras and put a nice jacket on...plus she's only 22 so she's hardly gonna come out looking haggard
People are nuts and desperate for blood and to throw stones...unbelievable!
Plus a wee country girl coming to Belfast could easily rent in the cheapest (and most dangerous) area (think the Villqge/Donegal Rd areas etc) and be told in no uncertain terms by 'the boys' that her sort wasnt welcome there. Evennow. In 2016. One GAA bag/jacket seen going Into a house in such an area would be one too many and potentially followed by a rap on the door by 'the boys'
Quote from: Gold on April 03, 2016, 10:32:11 PM
Plus a wee country girl coming to Belfast could easily rent in the cheapest (and most dangerous) area (think the Villqge/Donegal Rd areas etc) and be told in no uncertain terms by 'the boys' that her sort wasnt welcome there. Evennow. In 2016. One GAA bag/jacket seen going Into a house in such an area would be one too many and potentially followed by a rap on the door by 'the boys'
Most NI people are well tuned into such things and would note the local "decoration". In any case, if she had to flee from the Donegal Road she wouldn't have to flee all the way to Spain or Peru, the Lisburn road or the other side of the M1 would do.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 03, 2016, 10:51:44 PM
Quote from: Gold on April 03, 2016, 10:32:11 PM
Plus a wee country girl coming to Belfast could easily rent in the cheapest (and most dangerous) area (think the Villqge/Donegal Rd areas etc) and be told in no uncertain terms by 'the boys' that her sort wasnt welcome there. Evennow. In 2016. One GAA bag/jacket seen going Into a house in such an area would be one too many and potentially followed by a rap on the door by 'the boys'
Most NI people are well tuned into such things and would note the local "decoration". In any case, if she had to flee from the Donegal Road she wouldn't have to flee all the way to Spain or Peru, the Lisburn road or the other side of the M1 would do.
You'd be surprised at the number of young catholic girls who rent in loyalist areas like the Village and Donegall road.
Quote from: general_lee on April 03, 2016, 11:22:20 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 03, 2016, 10:51:44 PM
Quote from: Gold on April 03, 2016, 10:32:11 PM
Plus a wee country girl coming to Belfast could easily rent in the cheapest (and most dangerous) area (think the Villqge/Donegal Rd areas etc) and be told in no uncertain terms by 'the boys' that her sort wasnt welcome there. Evennow. In 2016. One GAA bag/jacket seen going Into a house in such an area would be one too many and potentially followed by a rap on the door by 'the boys'
Most NI people are well tuned into such things and would note the local "decoration". In any case, if she had to flee from the Donegal Road she wouldn't have to flee all the way to Spain or Peru, the Lisburn road or the other side of the M1 would do.
You'd be surprised at the number of young catholic girls who rent in loyalist areas like the Village and Donegall road.
Aye but let's not pretend they aren't aware of the demography of the error when renting the house. As your man says all you'd have to do is move a couple of hundred yards.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 03, 2016, 11:34:46 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 03, 2016, 11:22:20 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 03, 2016, 10:51:44 PM
Quote from: Gold on April 03, 2016, 10:32:11 PM
Plus a wee country girl coming to Belfast could easily rent in the cheapest (and most dangerous) area (think the Villqge/Donegal Rd areas etc) and be told in no uncertain terms by 'the boys' that her sort wasnt welcome there. Evennow. In 2016. One GAA bag/jacket seen going Into a house in such an area would be one too many and potentially followed by a rap on the door by 'the boys'
Most NI people are well tuned into such things and would note the local "decoration". In any case, if she had to flee from the Donegal Road she wouldn't have to flee all the way to Spain or Peru, the Lisburn road or the other side of the M1 would do.
You'd be surprised at the number of young catholic girls who rent in loyalist areas like the Village and Donegall road.
Aye but let's not pretend they aren't aware of the demography of the error when renting the house. As your man says all you'd have to do is move a couple of hundred yards.
I don't deny that. But it's the cheapest rental space in Belfast. Many just take the risk and keep the head down and hope for the best
I'm lost,was she booted out of a loyalist area?
Quote from: east down gael on April 03, 2016, 11:49:50 PM
I'm lost,was she booted out of a loyalist area?
What might have drawn you to that conclusion?
Quote from: the goal was on on April 03, 2016, 09:55:34 PM
Serious holes in that story. Disgrace letting that on TV
Spot on - if it was a toothless 20 stone hallion there wouldn't have been a word about it, she couldn't have done enough time as far as I am concerned.
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 08:05:56 AM
Quote from: the goal was on on April 03, 2016, 09:55:34 PM
Serious holes in that story. Disgrace letting that on TV
Spot on - if it was a toothless 20 stone hallion there wouldn't have been a word about it, she couldn't have done enough time as far as I am concerned.
What would be an appropriate term for her?
anyone who has smoked a spliff, taken a tab or snorted a line be best step back as they have contributed to the drugs business. Some handwringing going on. The prodigal...
Personally I thought it was a 'performance' designed to elicit sympathy. Time will tell, though whether she is genuinely remorseful or if it was the beginning of a crusade to sell her story to profit from it. I think she would be better advised to keep her head down rather than dive into tv programs. The interviewer was incompetent and failed to ask the obvious questions like how much she was being paid to ship the drugs. She deserves a second chance but we are entitled to wait and see if she is still being motivated from profiteering from her exploits or if she genuinely wants to bring some good in helping educate people from her mistake.
Well said Yellow Card, the vemon against her is unreal. Time will tell and hopefully she is genuine. I think she is...
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 09:38:44 AM
anyone who has smoked a spliff, taken a tab or snorted a line be best step back as they have contributed to the drugs business. Some handwringing going on. The prodigal...
Spot on, she was twenty and knew full well the implications of what she was doing, she is a part of the drug problem and deserves to be jailed for a long time, period, end of.
Looking forward to Reeling in The Years 2016.
How come she got out and the other girl is still in?
Quote from: stew on April 04, 2016, 09:58:19 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 09:38:44 AM
anyone who has smoked a spliff, taken a tab or snorted a line be best step back as they have contributed to the drugs business. Some handwringing going on. The prodigal...
Spot on, she was twenty and knew full well the implications of what she was doing, she is a part of the drug problem and deserves to be jailed for a long time, period, end of.
aye i supose that's one view though I dont agree. Dont think she should be thrown on the scrap heap at that age for being such an idiot...
Quote from: stew on April 04, 2016, 09:58:19 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 09:38:44 AM
anyone who has smoked a spliff, taken a tab or snorted a line be best step back as they have contributed to the drugs business. Some handwringing going on. The prodigal...
Spot on, she was twenty and knew full well the implications of what she was doing, she is a part of the drug problem and deserves to be jailed for a long time, period, end of.
Without condoning what she did, how do you know she knew full well what she was doing? Her first time out of Ireland and she got involved in that suggests to me she hadn't a f**king notion. To think you can smuggle millions worth of cocaine through an airport in South America undetected is not the behaviour of someone who knows full well what they are doing. The people who knew what they were doing were the ones that flew her from Spain to Peru and used her.
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 10:18:59 AM
Quote from: stew on April 04, 2016, 09:58:19 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 09:38:44 AM
anyone who has smoked a spliff, taken a tab or snorted a line be best step back as they have contributed to the drugs business. Some handwringing going on. The prodigal...
Spot on, she was twenty and knew full well the implications of what she was doing, she is a part of the drug problem and deserves to be jailed for a long time, period, end of.
aye i supose that's one view though I dont agree. Dont think she should be thrown on the scrap heap at that age for being such an idiot...
She doesn't been thrown on the scrap heap, with no future. Everyone deserves a second chance if they've made a mistake. I just find it distasteful she's being paraded on television.
I would agree. Do your time and get on with your life. The media is almost glamorising the whole thing.
Let her get on with her life and leave her to it.
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 10:20:03 AM
Quote from: stew on April 04, 2016, 09:58:19 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 09:38:44 AM
anyone who has smoked a spliff, taken a tab or snorted a line be best step back as they have contributed to the drugs business. Some handwringing going on. The prodigal...
Spot on, she was twenty and knew full well the implications of what she was doing, she is a part of the drug problem and deserves to be jailed for a long time, period, end of.
Without condoning what she did, how do you know she knew full well what she was doing? Her first time out of Ireland and she got involved in that suggests to me she hadn't a f**king notion. To think you can smuggle millions worth of cocaine through an airport in South America undetected is not the behaviour of someone who knows full well what they are doing. The people who knew what they were doing were the ones that flew her from Spain to Peru and used her.
How gullible are you, I say again if she was an ugly fat lass you wouldn't even be discussing it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 04, 2016, 10:22:24 AM
I would agree. Do your time and get on with your life. The media is almost glamorising the whole thing.
Let her get on with her life and leave her to it.
So she was forced to do that interview, is that what you are saying?
I wonder if she was a 20 year old fella from Ballymun would people have the same level of sympathy.Or even a 20 year old girl from Ballymun for that matter.
She came across totally fake in that interview imo. She was only sorry because she was caught. If she hadn't of been caught that time she would have kept doing it.
Quote from: laoislad on April 04, 2016, 10:33:54 AM
I wonder if she was a 20 year old fella from Ballymun would people have the same level of sympathy.Or even a 20 year old girl from Ballymun for that matter.
She came across totally fake in that interview imo. She was only sorry because she was caught. If she hadn't of been caught that time she would have kept doing it.
if it was a 20-year-old from anywhere Id say the same thing. You dont know whether she is sorry no more than anyone else. time will tell.
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 10:28:00 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 10:20:03 AM
Quote from: stew on April 04, 2016, 09:58:19 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 09:38:44 AM
anyone who has smoked a spliff, taken a tab or snorted a line be best step back as they have contributed to the drugs business. Some handwringing going on. The prodigal...
Spot on, she was twenty and knew full well the implications of what she was doing, she is a part of the drug problem and deserves to be jailed for a long time, period, end of.
Without condoning what she did, how do you know she knew full well what she was doing? Her first time out of Ireland and she got involved in that suggests to me she hadn't a f**king notion. To think you can smuggle millions worth of cocaine through an airport in South America undetected is not the behaviour of someone who knows full well what they are doing. The people who knew what they were doing were the ones that flew her from Spain to Peru and used her.
How gullible are you, I say again if she was an ugly fat lass you wouldn't even be discussing it.
So someone just turned 20 thinks they can smuggle 11 kilos of drugs in a suitcase on an aeroplane from a south American airport and they AREN'T naive to do so? Doesn't matter if she weighed a tonne, unless you are absolutely desperate or incredibly stupid you don't do stuff like that. Unless of course you're some naive wee girl who's never left Ireland before but wants to show off.
Quote from: laoislad on April 04, 2016, 10:33:54 AM
She came across totally fake in that interview imo. She was only sorry because she was caught. If she hadn't of been caught that time she would have kept doing it.
The interviewer was on the radio this morning. He did suggest that she was different off-camera and wasn't always as "together" as she sounded on TV.
He was also not convinced of her contrition - when asked if he thought she was truly sorry, he said that it would only be borne out in her actions to come.
He said that there were numerous offers of paid interviews that came through while he was there.
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 10:54:38 AM
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 10:28:00 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 10:20:03 AM
Quote from: stew on April 04, 2016, 09:58:19 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 09:38:44 AM
anyone who has smoked a spliff, taken a tab or snorted a line be best step back as they have contributed to the drugs business. Some handwringing going on. The prodigal...
Spot on, she was twenty and knew full well the implications of what she was doing, she is a part of the drug problem and deserves to be jailed for a long time, period, end of.
Without condoning what she did, how do you know she knew full well what she was doing? Her first time out of Ireland and she got involved in that suggests to me she hadn't a f**king notion. To think you can smuggle millions worth of cocaine through an airport in South America undetected is not the behaviour of someone who knows full well what they are doing. The people who knew what they were doing were the ones that flew her from Spain to Peru and used her.
How gullible are you, I say again if she was an ugly fat lass you wouldn't even be discussing it.
So someone just turned 20 thinks they can smuggle 11 kilos of drugs in a suitcase on an aeroplane from a south American airport and they AREN'T naive to do so? Doesn't matter if she weighed a tonne, unless you are absolutely desperate or incredibly stupid you don't do stuff like that. Unless of course you're some naive wee girl who's never left Ireland before but wants to show off.
She is an adult and a drug trafficker, she deserves all she gets - no doubt she'll make a fortune selling her story!
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/young-traveller-faces-50-years-6712993 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/young-traveller-faces-50-years-6712993)
There was never the same sympathy shown to this guy....
Anyone got a link to the interview can't get it on RTE player cause MD Higgins has blocked it from the wee six.
Quote from: offtheground on April 04, 2016, 11:22:20 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/young-traveller-faces-50-years-6712993 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/young-traveller-faces-50-years-6712993)
There was never the same sympathy shown to this guy....
Probably didn't have the same half naked pictures on social media to win over the general lees or longbalin of this world!
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 11:27:59 AM
Quote from: offtheground on April 04, 2016, 11:22:20 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/young-traveller-faces-50-years-6712993 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/young-traveller-faces-50-years-6712993)
There was never the same sympathy shown to this guy....
Probably didn't have the same half naked pictures on social media to win over the general lees or longbalin of this world!
You no doubt think 50 years is lenient!
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 11:36:10 AM
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 11:27:59 AM
Quote from: offtheground on April 04, 2016, 11:22:20 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/young-traveller-faces-50-years-6712993 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/young-traveller-faces-50-years-6712993)
There was never the same sympathy shown to this guy....
Probably didn't have the same half naked pictures on social media to win over the general lees or longbalin of this world!
You no doubt think 50 years is lenient!
You reap what you sow, maybe you should start a thread about this young man, or does he not do it for you!
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 11:43:11 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 11:36:10 AM
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 11:27:59 AM
Quote from: offtheground on April 04, 2016, 11:22:20 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/young-traveller-faces-50-years-6712993 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/young-traveller-faces-50-years-6712993)
There was never the same sympathy shown to this guy....
Probably didn't have the same half naked pictures on social media to win over the general lees or longbalin of this world!
You no doubt think 50 years is lenient!
You reap what you sow, maybe you should start a thread about this young man, or does he not do it for you!
Given he was arrested in Thailand in wouldn't be surprised if he was set up. Their police make the ruc look like the sisters of mercy. That said he deserves punished - 50 years though? Wise up
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 11:43:11 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 11:36:10 AM
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 11:27:59 AM
Quote from: offtheground on April 04, 2016, 11:22:20 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/young-traveller-faces-50-years-6712993 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/young-traveller-faces-50-years-6712993)
There was never the same sympathy shown to this guy....
Probably didn't have the same half naked pictures on social media to win over the general lees or longbalin of this world!
You no doubt think 50 years is lenient!
You reap what you sow, maybe you should start a thread about this young man, or does he not do it for you!
Id say the same for that young lad that he should get a chance but your right the media is very selective same as in Maddie McCann story and all the other children ignored...
Any word yet about the Scottish bird with the massive tits, when's she getting out and a fancy makeover?
Oh dear. This thread seems to have brought out the worst in some people.
Quote from: The Stallion on April 04, 2016, 12:41:27 PM
Oh dear. This thread seems to have brought out the worst in some people.
aye much a reflection of the writers than a sense of justice
Only saw her briefly on the news last night. She looked more like a person after spending a week or so in a health spa as opposed to years in a South American prison.
Quote from: Canalman on April 04, 2016, 12:57:50 PM
Only saw her briefly on the news last night. She looked more like a person after spending a week or so in a health spa as opposed to years in a South American prison.
Very bad publicity move. She should have adopted a plain nun look.
The girl has done the crime and the time and you feel she is now classic tabloid fodder.
She will have advisers and publicists who will "have her best interests at heart" . There will be a well worn path of book deals , chat shows , exes kiss and tells , big brother etc .
I hope I am wrong but this may not end well . A reflection of the fcuked up celebrity culture we live in .
Did either of these dimwits ever watch "Locked up Abroad"?
Should be mandatory viewing for all 18 year olds!!!!!
Look the girl made a mistake... I think an apology to victims of drugs should have been dragged out of her but whoever was doing the puff piece for RTE didn't seem too interested in that.
In my opinion she's paid her dues for what she did and if there is money to be made on the back of it fair play to her because she'll find it difficult otherwise to get a job with her profile and criminal record. It's not her fault Ireland is a community country and everyone is interested in her story. Should she have turned down the RTE interview?
Let her at it the more nosey people are the more chance she'll have to make a few bob and who are we to begrudge her?!
Quote from: screenexile on April 04, 2016, 02:06:09 PM
Look the girl made a mistake... I think an apology to victims of drugs should have been dragged out of her but whoever was doing the puff piece for RTE didn't seem too interested in that.
In my opinion she's paid her dues for what she did and if there is money to be made on the back of it fair play to her because she'll find it difficult otherwise to get a job with her profile and criminal record. It's not her fault Ireland is a community country and everyone is interested in her story. Should she have turned down the RTE interview?
Let her at it the more nosey people are the more chance she'll have to make a few bob and who are we to begrudge her?!
This I disagree with. If she becomes some sort of celebrity, and makes a pile of money on the back of it, that is *not* a good thing in my view.
She's going to have a hard time now, of course she is, but she's going to have to sort it out, depend on her family and friends, and get her life back. Selling lurid exclusives to tabloids or magazines, or some sort of poxy book deal, would not be good to see as far as I'm concerned.
Agree with AZ she is a criminal and shouldn't be plastered all over TV etc. selling her story and making a mint of the back of these criminal activities send out the wrong message to others!
Quote from: screenexile on April 04, 2016, 02:06:09 PM
Look the girl made a mistake... I think an apology to victims of drugs should have been dragged out of her but whoever was doing the puff piece for RTE didn't seem too interested in that.
In my opinion she's paid her dues for what she did and if there is money to be made on the back of it fair play to her because she'll find it difficult otherwise to get a job with her profile and criminal record. It's not her fault Ireland is a community country and everyone is interested in her story. Should she have turned down the RTE interview?
Let her at it the more nosey people are the more chance she'll have to make a few bob and who are we to begrudge her?!
f**k that coimpletely.
Quote from: gallsman on April 04, 2016, 02:21:38 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 04, 2016, 02:06:09 PM
Look the girl made a mistake... I think an apology to victims of drugs should have been dragged out of her but whoever was doing the puff piece for RTE didn't seem too interested in that.
In my opinion she's paid her dues for what she did and if there is money to be made on the back of it fair play to her because she'll find it difficult otherwise to get a job with her profile and criminal record. It's not her fault Ireland is a community country and everyone is interested in her story. Should she have turned down the RTE interview?
Let her at it the more nosey people are the more chance she'll have to make a few bob and who are we to begrudge her?!
f**k that coimpletely.
If dickheads want to pay her money for her story why shouldn't she take it?? What other option has she got to make money?
She could sell drugs, oh she tried that. She could maybe get a f**king job.
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 02:20:32 PM
Agree with AZ she is a criminal and shouldn't be plastered all over TV etc. selling her story and making a mint of the back of these criminal activities send out the wrong message to others!
She was party to the selling of drugs which ruins thousands of peoples lives and funds paramilitaries. But it is the media who will pay her for interviews. Blame the media.
Having said that, a lot of people are interested in her story and watched the programme last night. Personally I would like to hear more about life inside a Peruvian female prison, without the mule getting rich from it.
Quote from: Orior on April 04, 2016, 02:49:36 PM
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 02:20:32 PM
Agree with AZ she is a criminal and shouldn't be plastered all over TV etc. selling her story and making a mint of the back of these criminal activities send out the wrong message to others!
She was party to the selling of drugs which ruins thousands of peoples lives and funds paramilitaries. But it is the media who will pay her for interviews. Blame the media.
Having said that, a lot of people are interested in her story and watched the programme last night. Personally I would like to hear more about life inside a Peruvian female prison, without the mule getting rich from it.
She was caught and served time in prison for her crime... she's free now so can do what she likes so what's the problem?
In America, for example, there are laws known as Son of Sam laws that prevent criminals from profiting from the publicity connected to their crimes.
I'm not sure what the legal framework is in the UK but I'd be surprised if there wasn't something similar.
Forget about what's enshrined in law - do you not find it morally repugnant that someone (righfully) convicted of a crime can/could rake it in from something like selling their story?!
celeb big brother on the cards.. having done the Jungle version she'd be grand at living in close quarters with other druggies or ex druggies on CBB
Whether naive or otherwise at 20 she would have known the risks involved with what she was doing, she would have been aware of the devastating effects drugs have on lives and families and in my view serving two years is light even if she was young. It is quite clear that for a while now there has been an effort to spin this crime. How sorry she is will become apparent as the story unfolds. if she sells the story and donates the cash to drug rehabilitation I would say well done. If she sells it and pockets the cash well thats a different story. Bottom line though is that drugs are a scourge in society and anyone seeking to profit from them is not an innocent abroad.
Yet the two most lethal ones are legal...
The girl was/still is a bit stupid in my view, she hasn't gone about this the right way. She should have shunned the opportunity for an interview and waited a while to get back on her feet and then spoke to the press.
As for the pontificating about how drugs ruin lives; this rings true but it also doesn't hide the fact that there are thousands of recreational drug users here in Ireland. In fact go into any nightclub in Belfast or Dublin on any given weekend and you'll prob bump into a few coke users. There's a clear demand in western societies for drugs and the sooner governments give up their losing battle the better.
Quote from: Orior on April 04, 2016, 02:49:36 PM
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 02:20:32 PM
Agree with AZ she is a criminal and shouldn't be plastered all over TV etc. selling her story and making a mint of the back of these criminal activities send out the wrong message to others!
She was party to the selling of drugs which ruins thousands of peoples lives and funds paramilitaries. But it is the media who will pay her for interviews. Blame the media.
Having said that, a lot of people are interested in her story and watched the programme last night. Personally I would like to hear more about life inside a Peruvian female prison, without the mule getting rich from it.
Brilliant!
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Yet the two most lethal ones are legal...
The girl was/still is a bit stupid in my view, she hasn't gone about this the right way. She should have shunned the opportunity for an interview and waited a while to get back on her feet and then spoke to the press.
As for the pontificating about how drugs ruin lives; this rings true but it also doesn't hide the fact that there are thousands of recreational drug users here in Ireland. In fact go into any nightclub in Belfast or Dublin on any given weekend and you'll prob bump into a few coke users. There's a clear demand in western societies for drugs and the sooner governments give up their losing battle the better.
absolutly.. a lot of the handwringers you can be sure have used some form of illegal drug keeping the mules in a job...
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Yet the two most lethal ones are legal...
The girl was/still is a bit stupid in my view, she hasn't gone about this the right way. She should have shunned the opportunity for an interview and waited a while to get back on her feet and then spoke to the press.
As for the pontificating about how drugs ruin lives; this rings true but it also doesn't hide the fact that there are thousands of recreational drug users here in Ireland. In fact go into any nightclub in Belfast or Dublin on any given weekend and you'll prob bump into a few coke users. There's a clear demand in western societies for drugs and the sooner governments give up their losing battle the better.
absolutly.. a lot of the handwringers you can be sure have used some form of illegal drug keeping the mules in a job...
Never used or sold illegal drugs in my life, I am not wringing my hands just voicing my thoughts.
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2016, 04:32:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Yet the two most lethal ones are legal...
The girl was/still is a bit stupid in my view, she hasn't gone about this the right way. She should have shunned the opportunity for an interview and waited a while to get back on her feet and then spoke to the press.
As for the pontificating about how drugs ruin lives; this rings true but it also doesn't hide the fact that there are thousands of recreational drug users here in Ireland. In fact go into any nightclub in Belfast or Dublin on any given weekend and you'll prob bump into a few coke users. There's a clear demand in western societies for drugs and the sooner governments give up their losing battle the better.
absolutly.. a lot of the handwringers you can be sure have used some form of illegal drug keeping the mules in a job...
Never used or sold illegal drugs in my life, I am not wringing my hands just voicing my thoughts.
Do you smoke or drink?
Quote from: GJL on April 04, 2016, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2016, 04:32:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Yet the two most lethal ones are legal...
The girl was/still is a bit stupid in my view, she hasn't gone about this the right way. She should have shunned the opportunity for an interview and waited a while to get back on her feet and then spoke to the press.
As for the pontificating about how drugs ruin lives; this rings true but it also doesn't hide the fact that there are thousands of recreational drug users here in Ireland. In fact go into any nightclub in Belfast or Dublin on any given weekend and you'll prob bump into a few coke users. There's a clear demand in western societies for drugs and the sooner governments give up their losing battle the better.
absolutly.. a lot of the handwringers you can be sure have used some form of illegal drug keeping the mules in a job...
Never used or sold illegal drugs in my life, I am not wringing my hands just voicing my thoughts.
Do you smoke or drink?
illegal I think he mentioned ... though being from Armagh I'd say some illegal fuel would be more of a crime
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: GJL on April 04, 2016, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2016, 04:32:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Yet the two most lethal ones are legal...
The girl was/still is a bit stupid in my view, she hasn't gone about this the right way. She should have shunned the opportunity for an interview and waited a while to get back on her feet and then spoke to the press.
As for the pontificating about how drugs ruin lives; this rings true but it also doesn't hide the fact that there are thousands of recreational drug users here in Ireland. In fact go into any nightclub in Belfast or Dublin on any given weekend and you'll prob bump into a few coke users. There's a clear demand in western societies for drugs and the sooner governments give up their losing battle the better.
absolutly.. a lot of the handwringers you can be sure have used some form of illegal drug keeping the mules in a job...
Never used or sold illegal drugs in my life, I am not wringing my hands just voicing my thoughts.
Do you smoke or drink?
illegal I think he mentioned ... though being from Armagh I'd say some illegal fuel would be more of a crime
I know but both of the above cause much more harm than some of the drugs.
Quote from: GJL on April 04, 2016, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2016, 04:32:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Yet the two most lethal ones are legal...
The girl was/still is a bit stupid in my view, she hasn't gone about this the right way. She should have shunned the opportunity for an interview and waited a while to get back on her feet and then spoke to the press.
As for the pontificating about how drugs ruin lives; this rings true but it also doesn't hide the fact that there are thousands of recreational drug users here in Ireland. In fact go into any nightclub in Belfast or Dublin on any given weekend and you'll prob bump into a few coke users. There's a clear demand in western societies for drugs and the sooner governments give up their losing battle the better.
absolutly.. a lot of the handwringers you can be sure have used some form of illegal drug keeping the mules in a job...
Never used or sold illegal drugs in my life, I am not wringing my hands just voicing my thoughts.
Do you smoke or drink?
They aren't illegal.
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2016, 04:48:30 PM
Quote from: GJL on April 04, 2016, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2016, 04:32:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Yet the two most lethal ones are legal...
The girl was/still is a bit stupid in my view, she hasn't gone about this the right way. She should have shunned the opportunity for an interview and waited a while to get back on her feet and then spoke to the press.
As for the pontificating about how drugs ruin lives; this rings true but it also doesn't hide the fact that there are thousands of recreational drug users here in Ireland. In fact go into any nightclub in Belfast or Dublin on any given weekend and you'll prob bump into a few coke users. There's a clear demand in western societies for drugs and the sooner governments give up their losing battle the better.
absolutly.. a lot of the handwringers you can be sure have used some form of illegal drug keeping the mules in a job...
Never used or sold illegal drugs in my life, I am not wringing my hands just voicing my thoughts.
Do you smoke or drink?
They aren't illegal.
thats ok you can nail her... any other takers? 8)
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 04:55:36 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2016, 04:48:30 PM
Quote from: GJL on April 04, 2016, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2016, 04:32:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Yet the two most lethal ones are legal...
The girl was/still is a bit stupid in my view, she hasn't gone about this the right way. She should have shunned the opportunity for an interview and waited a while to get back on her feet and then spoke to the press.
As for the pontificating about how drugs ruin lives; this rings true but it also doesn't hide the fact that there are thousands of recreational drug users here in Ireland. In fact go into any nightclub in Belfast or Dublin on any given weekend and you'll prob bump into a few coke users. There's a clear demand in western societies for drugs and the sooner governments give up their losing battle the better.
absolutly.. a lot of the handwringers you can be sure have used some form of illegal drug keeping the mules in a job...
Never used or sold illegal drugs in my life, I am not wringing my hands just voicing my thoughts.
Do you smoke or drink?
They aren't illegal.
thats ok you can nail her... any other takers? 8)
I didn't think I was nailing her, just reserving judgement. Anyone can repent, if she is genuinely remorseful then she won't be cashing in. Though I'd say there would probably be more interest and money in it for Reid given that she is properly British from the main land.
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/04/04/michaella-mccollum-definitely-british/
Why is michaella out on parole but the other half of the peru2 not?
Quote from: gallsman on April 04, 2016, 03:06:22 PM
In America, for example, there are laws known as Son of Sam laws that prevent criminals from profiting from the publicity connected to their crimes.
I'm not sure what the legal framework is in the UK but I'd be surprised if there wasn't something similar.
Forget about what's enshrined in law - do you not find it morally repugnant that someone (righfully) convicted of a crime can/could rake it in from something like selling their story?!
Well said
Quote from: God14 on April 04, 2016, 07:52:41 PM
Why is michaella out on parole but the other half of the peru2 not?
The Tyrone one gets out but has to do parole in Peru. The other one could get out but instead of looking to do parole in Peru she is looking to get moved to a UK prison (no parole). So instead the Brits have to spend the money to house her.
Quote from: Minder on April 04, 2016, 08:46:45 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 04, 2016, 03:06:22 PM
In America, for example, there are laws known as Son of Sam laws that prevent criminals from profiting from the publicity connected to their crimes.
I'm not sure what the legal framework is in the UK but I'd be surprised if there wasn't something similar.
Forget about what's enshrined in law - do you not find it morally repugnant that someone (righfully) convicted of a crime can/could rake it in from something like selling their story?!
Well said
Precisely gallsman. Wrongdoings deserve punishment not reward. Know nothing about the girl and hope she sorts herself out but really hope she isn't raking it in from this. It's not the way it should be and is no precedent to set to any person young or old.
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 04:55:36 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2016, 04:48:30 PM
Quote from: GJL on April 04, 2016, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2016, 04:32:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Yet the two most lethal ones are legal...
The girl was/still is a bit stupid in my view, she hasn't gone about this the right way. She should have shunned the opportunity for an interview and waited a while to get back on her feet and then spoke to the press.
As for the pontificating about how drugs ruin lives; this rings true but it also doesn't hide the fact that there are thousands of recreational drug users here in Ireland. In fact go into any nightclub in Belfast or Dublin on any given weekend and you'll prob bump into a few coke users. There's a clear demand in western societies for drugs and the sooner governments give up their losing battle the better.
absolutly.. a lot of the handwringers you can be sure have used some form of illegal drug keeping the mules in a job...
Never used or sold illegal drugs in my life, I am not wringing my hands just voicing my thoughts.
Do you smoke or drink?
They aren't illegal.
thats ok you can nail her... any other takers? 8)
You fair slipped of your moral high horse, I say again - any interest if she was brutal - answer no!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: GJL on April 04, 2016, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2016, 04:32:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Yet the two most lethal ones are legal...
The girl was/still is a bit stupid in my view, she hasn't gone about this the right way. She should have shunned the opportunity for an interview and waited a while to get back on her feet and then spoke to the press.
As for the pontificating about how drugs ruin lives; this rings true but it also doesn't hide the fact that there are thousands of recreational drug users here in Ireland. In fact go into any nightclub in Belfast or Dublin on any given weekend and you'll prob bump into a few coke users. There's a clear demand in western societies for drugs and the sooner governments give up their losing battle the better.
absolutly.. a lot of the handwringers you can be sure have used some form of illegal drug keeping the mules in a job...
Never used or sold illegal drugs in my life, I am not wringing my hands just voicing my thoughts.
Do you smoke or drink?
illegal I think he mentioned ... though being from Armagh I'd say some illegal fuel would be more of a crime
Some act - So you hate people from Armagh as well as people on benefits and immigrants - no end to your hatred?
50 pages on a GAAboard would point out that there is some interest in her story..... It's the getting paid for it people are disagreeing with? I don't know what most people would do after 2 years in jail in Peru....
Tell your story, here's some money for your family back home, help you get back on your feet, give you a chance to set the record straight......
More media spin and more people falling for it...
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 09:28:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: GJL on April 04, 2016, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2016, 04:32:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Yet the two most lethal ones are legal...
The girl was/still is a bit stupid in my view, she hasn't gone about this the right way. She should have shunned the opportunity for an interview and waited a while to get back on her feet and then spoke to the press.
As for the pontificating about how drugs ruin lives; this rings true but it also doesn't hide the fact that there are thousands of recreational drug users here in Ireland. In fact go into any nightclub in Belfast or Dublin on any given weekend and you'll prob bump into a few coke users. There's a clear demand in western societies for drugs and the sooner governments give up their losing battle the better.
absolutly.. a lot of the handwringers you can be sure have used some form of illegal drug keeping the mules in a job...
Never used or sold illegal drugs in my life, I am not wringing my hands just voicing my thoughts.
Do you smoke or drink?
illegal I think he mentioned ... though being from Armagh I'd say some illegal fuel would be more of a crime
Some act - So you hate people from Armagh as well as people on benefits and immigrants - no end to your hatred?
Jesus you're hard work.... I wonder would you just fcuk off and do yourself a favour .... You've obviously got serious issues.... Hard life?? Bit of a struggle??
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 09:37:36 PM
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 09:28:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: GJL on April 04, 2016, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2016, 04:32:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Yet the two most lethal ones are legal...
The girl was/still is a bit stupid in my view, she hasn't gone about this the right way. She should have shunned the opportunity for an interview and waited a while to get back on her feet and then spoke to the press.
As for the pontificating about how drugs ruin lives; this rings true but it also doesn't hide the fact that there are thousands of recreational drug users here in Ireland. In fact go into any nightclub in Belfast or Dublin on any given weekend and you'll prob bump into a few coke users. There's a clear demand in western societies for drugs and the sooner governments give up their losing battle the better.
absolutly.. a lot of the handwringers you can be sure have used some form of illegal drug keeping the mules in a job...
Never used or sold illegal drugs in my life, I am not wringing my hands just voicing my thoughts.
Do you smoke or drink?
illegal I think he mentioned ... though being from Armagh I'd say some illegal fuel would be more of a crime
Some act - So you hate people from Armagh as well as people on benefits and immigrants - no end to your hatred?
Jesus you're hard work.... I wonder would you just fcuk off and do yourself a favour .... You've obviously got serious issues.... Hard life?? Bit of a struggle??
And you prove with every post that you think you are above the majority of society, I am guessing you are 5'2 with size 5 feet.
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 10:04:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 09:37:36 PM
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 09:28:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: GJL on April 04, 2016, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2016, 04:32:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Yet the two most lethal ones are legal...
The girl was/still is a bit stupid in my view, she hasn't gone about this the right way. She should have shunned the opportunity for an interview and waited a while to get back on her feet and then spoke to the press.
As for the pontificating about how drugs ruin lives; this rings true but it also doesn't hide the fact that there are thousands of recreational drug users here in Ireland. In fact go into any nightclub in Belfast or Dublin on any given weekend and you'll prob bump into a few coke users. There's a clear demand in western societies for drugs and the sooner governments give up their losing battle the better.
absolutly.. a lot of the handwringers you can be sure have used some form of illegal drug keeping the mules in a job...
Never used or sold illegal drugs in my life, I am not wringing my hands just voicing my thoughts.
Do you smoke or drink?
illegal I think he mentioned ... though being from Armagh I'd say some illegal fuel would be more of a crime
Some act - So you hate people from Armagh as well as people on benefits and immigrants - no end to your hatred?
Jesus you're hard work.... I wonder would you just fcuk off and do yourself a favour .... You've obviously got serious issues.... Hard life?? Bit of a struggle??
And you prove with every post that you think you are above the majority of society, I am guessing you are 5'2 with size 5 feet.
5'6 size 8.... So I'd be below must people in fairness, priesthood not take you in??
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 10:04:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 09:37:36 PM
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 09:28:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: GJL on April 04, 2016, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2016, 04:32:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Yet the two most lethal ones are legal...
The girl was/still is a bit stupid in my view, she hasn't gone about this the right way. She should have shunned the opportunity for an interview and waited a while to get back on her feet and then spoke to the press.
As for the pontificating about how drugs ruin lives; this rings true but it also doesn't hide the fact that there are thousands of recreational drug users here in Ireland. In fact go into any nightclub in Belfast or Dublin on any given weekend and you'll prob bump into a few coke users. There's a clear demand in western societies for drugs and the sooner governments give up their losing battle the better.
absolutly.. a lot of the handwringers you can be sure have used some form of illegal drug keeping the mules in a job...
Never used or sold illegal drugs in my life, I am not wringing my hands just voicing my thoughts.
Do you smoke or drink?
illegal I think he mentioned ... though being from Armagh I'd say some illegal fuel would be more of a crime
Some act - So you hate people from Armagh as well as people on benefits and immigrants - no end to your hatred?
Jesus you're hard work.... I wonder would you just fcuk off and do yourself a favour .... You've obviously got serious issues.... Hard life?? Bit of a struggle??
And you prove with every post that you think you are above the majority of society, I am guessing you are 5'2 with size 5 feet.
There are some assholes on gaaboards but u are by far the biggest one by a mile no wides
Lol. Anonymous usernames slaggin each other online. Never gets old
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 10:54:53 PM
Lol. Anonymous usernames slaggin each other online. Never gets old
lol
Quote from: redzone on April 04, 2016, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 10:04:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 09:37:36 PM
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 09:28:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: GJL on April 04, 2016, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2016, 04:32:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Yet the two most lethal ones are legal...
The girl was/still is a bit stupid in my view, she hasn't gone about this the right way. She should have shunned the opportunity for an interview and waited a while to get back on her feet and then spoke to the press.
As for the pontificating about how drugs ruin lives; this rings true but it also doesn't hide the fact that there are thousands of recreational drug users here in Ireland. In fact go into any nightclub in Belfast or Dublin on any given weekend and you'll prob bump into a few coke users. There's a clear demand in western societies for drugs and the sooner governments give up their losing battle the better.
absolutly.. a lot of the handwringers you can be sure have used some form of illegal drug keeping the mules in a job...
Never used or sold illegal drugs in my life, I am not wringing my hands just voicing my thoughts.
Do you smoke or drink?
illegal I think he mentioned ... though being from Armagh I'd say some illegal fuel would be more of a crime
Some act - So you hate people from Armagh as well as people on benefits and immigrants - no end to your hatred?
Jesus you're hard work.... I wonder would you just fcuk off and do yourself a favour .... You've obviously got serious issues.... Hard life?? Bit of a struggle??
And you prove with every post that you think you are above the majority of society, I am guessing you are 5'2 with size 5 feet.
There are some assholes on gaaboards but u are by far the biggest one by a mile no wides
so r u ::)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 10:14:43 PM
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 10:04:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 09:37:36 PM
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 09:28:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: GJL on April 04, 2016, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2016, 04:32:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Yet the two most lethal ones are legal...
The girl was/still is a bit stupid in my view, she hasn't gone about this the right way. She should have shunned the opportunity for an interview and waited a while to get back on her feet and then spoke to the press.
As for the pontificating about how drugs ruin lives; this rings true but it also doesn't hide the fact that there are thousands of recreational drug users here in Ireland. In fact go into any nightclub in Belfast or Dublin on any given weekend and you'll prob bump into a few coke users. There's a clear demand in western societies for drugs and the sooner governments give up their losing battle the better.
absolutly.. a lot of the handwringers you can be sure have used some form of illegal drug keeping the mules in a job...
Never used or sold illegal drugs in my life, I am not wringing my hands just voicing my thoughts.
Do you smoke or drink?
illegal I think he mentioned ... though being from Armagh I'd say some illegal fuel would be more of a crime
Some act - So you hate people from Armagh as well as people on benefits and immigrants - no end to your hatred?
Jesus you're hard work.... I wonder would you just fcuk off and do yourself a favour .... You've obviously got serious issues.... Hard life?? Bit of a struggle??
And you prove with every post that you think you are above the majority of society, I am guessing you are 5'2 with size 5 feet.
5'6 size 8.... So I'd be below must people in fairness, priesthood not take you in??
Small man syndrome in your big car kept clean by immigrants, your mummy must be proud when you visit!
Quote from: No wides on April 05, 2016, 07:07:43 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 10:14:43 PM
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 10:04:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 09:37:36 PM
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 09:28:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: GJL on April 04, 2016, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2016, 04:32:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Yet the two most lethal ones are legal...
The girl was/still is a bit stupid in my view, she hasn't gone about this the right way. She should have shunned the opportunity for an interview and waited a while to get back on her feet and then spoke to the press.
As for the pontificating about how drugs ruin lives; this rings true but it also doesn't hide the fact that there are thousands of recreational drug users here in Ireland. In fact go into any nightclub in Belfast or Dublin on any given weekend and you'll prob bump into a few coke users. There's a clear demand in western societies for drugs and the sooner governments give up their losing battle the better.
absolutly.. a lot of the handwringers you can be sure have used some form of illegal drug keeping the mules in a job...
Never used or sold illegal drugs in my life, I am not wringing my hands just voicing my thoughts.
Do you smoke or drink?
illegal I think he mentioned ... though being from Armagh I'd say some illegal fuel would be more of a crime
Some act - So you hate people from Armagh as well as people on benefits and immigrants - no end to your hatred?
Jesus you're hard work.... I wonder would you just fcuk off and do yourself a favour .... You've obviously got serious issues.... Hard life?? Bit of a struggle??
And you prove with every post that you think you are above the majority of society, I am guessing you are 5'2 with size 5 feet.
5'6 size 8.... So I'd be below must people in fairness, priesthood not take you in??
Small man syndrome in your big car kept clean by immigrants, your mummy must be proud when you visit!
Not a big car, Ford focus... Mums always proud .... Troll much??
Interesting perspective here
It seems Michaella's big crime is being a strong and pretty young woman
Colette Browne
Published
05/04/2016 | 02:30
Michaella McCollum committed a serious offence - but managing to endure nearly three years in the Peruvian prison system without turning into a haggard crone seems to be her biggest crime, as far as some people are concerned.
There is a perception out there that McCollum got off lightly. Having been caught trying to smuggle nearly €2m of cocaine from Peru to Spain in August 2013, she emerged from jail last week looking fit and attractive. This seems to be problematic for some.
On Sunday night, McCollum was subjected to a level of vitriol on social media that would suggest she is currently public enemy number one.
Many people trashed RTÉ for broadcasting an interview with the recently released ex-con and queried if the station was 'celebrity building'.
If this is so, then the line between notoriety and celebrity has been irrevocably blurred. McCollum was infamous before she sat down to be questioned by reporter Trevor Birney.
Her arrest in 2013 dominated headlines here for weeks and her eventual sentencing was also widely reported. Throughout her term of imprisonment, newspapers have run updates on the likelihood of her early release or possible repatriation back to Northern Ireland.
RTÉ even broadcast a 2014 documentary about her experience, 'Michaella, Peru and the Drugs Run', which followed members of her family as they travelled to Peru and was well received.
Clearly, her release from jail was always going to be big news and the inevitable scramble to get the first interview with the young Tyrone woman was eventually won by the production company Fine Point Films.
The interview won't win any journalism awards for being hard-hitting and RTÉ has some questions to answer about the manner in which it was conducted.
While McCollum was not paid for the interview, it remains unclear if members of her family benefited financially.
It would also be interesting to learn if Fine Point Films agreed not to broach certain subjects - like anything related to the drugs gang for which McCollum was working when arrested - in return for securing the interview.
However, it is worth pointing out that McCollum has not walked out of prison a free woman. She was released on parole and will have to remain in Peru for up to four years, living in constant fear that her parole could be revoked and she could end up back in jail.
Consequently, it is likely that she couldn't give the kind of forthright interview she would have been able to give if she was now back home.
For instance, what is notable by its absence in the interview was any criticism of the Peruvian prison system, despite the fact that conditions are renowned as being hellish.
In Ancon 2, the jail where she served most of her time, at least eight women share a cell, the toilet is a hole in the ground and her family had to send her £200 a month to pay for her food, water and toiletries.
While Mr Birney has been criticised for asking questions about McCollum's hairstyle and her distinctive bun, her response did hint at the kind of nightmarish conditions she had endured.
After her initial arrest, she spent 15 days in a prison station with no access to a shower, no soap, shampoo or even toilet paper - no way to clean herself.
So instead of having her long greasy hair hanging down around her face, she tied it up in a tight bun. Not a fashion statement, a coping mechanism.
Part of the reason that public sympathy seems to have evaporated for McCollum is the elaborate lie she concocted, along with her co-accused, Melissa Reid, after her arrest.
The two young women initially claimed that they had been kidnapped, held at gunpoint and forced to board a flight.
In reality, they were there voluntarily and spent some time after their arrival in Peru visiting tourist sites, before attempting to leave the country with suitcases laden with cocaine.
On Sunday, McCollum said she had been young and naive when she agreed to smuggle the drugs and that by the time she found herself in Peru she felt she was in too deep to back out.
She lied after her arrest because she was afraid of the consequences of taking responsibility for her actions.
This doesn't excuse her behaviour, but her explanation is at least credible and ultimately McCollum did plead guilty and face up to what she had done.
She has also expressed her guilt and remorse at what might have been. If her smuggling attempt had been successful, she said she would have had "blood on her hands" and that "families would have been ruined".
Other than donning sackcloth and ashes and volunteering to go back into prison to break rocks for the remainder of her sentence, it is hard to know what else this young woman could do to demonstrate her remorse.
Many viewers were incredulous that McCollum looked so physically well, but being pretty and having nice hair, after working in a prison salon, does not mean that she was in some kind of glorified spa for years.
Interestingly, when international cannabis smuggler turned author Howard Marks appeared on 'The Late Late Show' in 2010, there was no such outrage.
Instead, he was largely hailed as a "legend" on social media, begging the question of whether people's anger was prompted not by McCollum's crime but rather by the fact that she is an attractive young woman who doesn't look like she has been broken by her experience.
It is not disputed that drug gangs largely prey on weak and vulnerable people when recruiting mules. In fact, many routinely come before our courts, having swallowed drugs or concealed them in their suitcases in return for the promise of paltry amounts of money.
Last year, a 24-year-old Brazilian student, John Kennedy Santos Gurjao, died on an Aer Lingus flight en route from Lisbon to Dublin when some of the 80 pellets of cocaine that he had swallowed ruptured in his stomach.
Drug smugglers, when they are caught, deserve to be punished. But they also deserve the chance to rehabilitate themselves and get on with their lives when they get out of prison and have paid their debt to society.
Irish Independent
What a crock of sh*te.
Quote from: haranguerer on April 05, 2016, 08:23:14 AM
What a crock of sh*te.
Lol was just about the post the same thing!
I'm confused by the level of vitriol aimed at Michaela McCollum.
Facts of the case are she ultimately pleaded guilty and has served her time in jail for her crime.
Most of the negative comments are based on her appearance which tells a story in itself.
I don't think I have been vitriolic, she deserves a chance to rehabilitate. I do have issues with her earning cash on the back of this, to me that would not show remorse just an opportunity to replace the earnings lost when she was caught with the drugs.
She received seriously favourable treatment and extra media attention because of her appearance. From what I can make out that included a prison sentence 5 times shorter than she was likely to get, preferential treatment inside prison, and ego massaging interviews and attention.
I haven't aimed any vitriol at her, I think she was stupid, got caught, served her sentence, fair enough, and can see the some of the other side of the whole drugs argument too...but I draw the line at being told she's getting rough treatment because she's a woman and how she looks when its clear as day she has actually received exceptionally beneficial treatment for those very reasons.
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 05, 2016, 10:22:47 AM
I don't think I have been vitriolic, she deserves a chance to rehabilitate. I do have issues with her earning cash on the back of this, to me that would not show remorse just an opportunity to replace the earnings lost when she was caught with the drugs.
You may have an issue with it, but that doesn't count for anything. Whether she decides to promote a public persona and earn money off her story after her sentence is a matter for her; same as if she decides to live under a rock.
Quote from: haranguerer on April 05, 2016, 10:28:01 AM
She received seriously favourable treatment and extra media attention because of her appearance. From what I can make out that included a prison sentence 5 times shorter than she was likely to get, preferential treatment inside prison, and ego massaging interviews and attention.
I haven't aimed any vitriol at her, I think she was stupid, got caught, served her sentence, fair enough, and can see the some of the other side of the whole drugs argument too...but I draw the line at being told she's getting rough treatment because she's a woman and how she looks when its clear as day she has actually received exceptionally beneficial treatment for those very reasons.
Each case is judged on it's own merits - A matter for courts of Peru.
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on April 05, 2016, 12:40:47 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 05, 2016, 10:22:47 AM
I don't think I have been vitriolic, she deserves a chance to rehabilitate. I do have issues with her earning cash on the back of this, to me that would not show remorse just an opportunity to replace the earnings lost when she was caught with the drugs.
You may have an issue with it, but that doesn't count for anything. Whether she decides to promote a public persona and earn money off her story after her sentence is a matter for her; same as if she decides to live under a rock.
You may hold this opinion but, in your own words, this might not count for anything.
Whether convicted criminals should be entitled to benefit from the exposure their infamy has gained them is
not a matter for her, it's one for society.
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on April 05, 2016, 12:40:47 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 05, 2016, 10:22:47 AM
I don't think I have been vitriolic, she deserves a chance to rehabilitate. I do have issues with her earning cash on the back of this, to me that would not show remorse just an opportunity to replace the earnings lost when she was caught with the drugs.
You may have an issue with it, but that doesn't count for anything. Whether she decides to promote a public persona and earn money off her story after her sentence is a matter for her; same as if she decides to live under a rock.
It is profiting from crime and does not therefore sit with the line that she is sorry and wants to regain a place in society.
Quote from: gallsman on April 05, 2016, 12:48:46 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on April 05, 2016, 12:40:47 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 05, 2016, 10:22:47 AM
I don't think I have been vitriolic, she deserves a chance to rehabilitate. I do have issues with her earning cash on the back of this, to me that would not show remorse just an opportunity to replace the earnings lost when she was caught with the drugs.
You may have an issue with it, but that doesn't count for anything. Whether she decides to promote a public persona and earn money off her story after her sentence is a matter for her; same as if she decides to live under a rock.
You may hold this opinion but, in your own words, this might not count for anything.
Whether convicted criminals should be entitled to benefit from the exposure their infamy has gained them is not a matter for her, it's one for society.
Society deems her debt to society has been paid by completion of jail and parole.
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 05, 2016, 02:23:45 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on April 05, 2016, 12:40:47 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 05, 2016, 10:22:47 AM
I don't think I have been vitriolic, she deserves a chance to rehabilitate. I do have issues with her earning cash on the back of this, to me that would not show remorse just an opportunity to replace the earnings lost when she was caught with the drugs.
You may have an issue with it, but that doesn't count for anything. Whether she decides to promote a public persona and earn money off her story after her sentence is a matter for her; same as if she decides to live under a rock.
It is profiting from crime and does not therefore sit with the line that she is sorry and wants to regain a place in society.
I don't see how she has profited from crime in this case.
I would assume having been caught in Peru she wasn't paid for transporting the drugs.
She was also not paid for the interview with RTÉ.
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on April 05, 2016, 02:36:27 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 05, 2016, 02:23:45 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on April 05, 2016, 12:40:47 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 05, 2016, 10:22:47 AM
I don't think I have been vitriolic, she deserves a chance to rehabilitate. I do have issues with her earning cash on the back of this, to me that would not show remorse just an opportunity to replace the earnings lost when she was caught with the drugs.
You may have an issue with it, but that doesn't count for anything. Whether she decides to promote a public persona and earn money off her story after her sentence is a matter for her; same as if she decides to live under a rock.
It is profiting from crime and does not therefore sit with the line that she is sorry and wants to regain a place in society.
I don't see how she has profited from crime in this case.
I would assume having been caught in Peru she wasn't paid for transporting the drugs.
She was also not paid for the interview with RTÉ.
Actually, RTE have refused to say if she was paid or not.
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on April 05, 2016, 02:36:27 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 05, 2016, 02:23:45 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on April 05, 2016, 12:40:47 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 05, 2016, 10:22:47 AM
I don't think I have been vitriolic, she deserves a chance to rehabilitate. I do have issues with her earning cash on the back of this, to me that would not show remorse just an opportunity to replace the earnings lost when she was caught with the drugs.
You may have an issue with it, but that doesn't count for anything. Whether she decides to promote a public persona and earn money off her story after her sentence is a matter for her; same as if she decides to live under a rock.
It is profiting from crime and does not therefore sit with the line that she is sorry and wants to regain a place in society.
I don't see how she has profited from crime in this case.
I would assume having been caught in Peru she wasn't paid for transporting the drugs.
She was also not paid for the interview with RTÉ.
There is some indication that her family may have received financial inducements for the two documentaries, I don't know if that is true. However my statement was conditional, I said
IF she cashed in on her infamy then that is at odds with her claims to have turned over a new leaf.
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on April 05, 2016, 02:36:27 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 05, 2016, 02:23:45 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on April 05, 2016, 12:40:47 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 05, 2016, 10:22:47 AM
I don't think I have been vitriolic, she deserves a chance to rehabilitate. I do have issues with her earning cash on the back of this, to me that would not show remorse just an opportunity to replace the earnings lost when she was caught with the drugs.
You may have an issue with it, but that doesn't count for anything. Whether she decides to promote a public persona and earn money off her story after her sentence is a matter for her; same as if she decides to live under a rock.
It is profiting from crime and does not therefore sit with the line that she is sorry and wants to regain a place in society.
I don't see how she has profited from crime in this case.
I would assume having been caught in Peru she wasn't paid for transporting the drugs.
She was also not paid for the interview with RTÉ.
She got a nice holiday out of it, sure!! Never been to Peru but its a place I'd like to go, I hear the porridge is to die for
The sun will have her with the baps out yet.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7050761/Michaella-McCollums-telly-lies-She-left-in-hurry-and-still-owes-flatmates-600-rent.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7050761/Michaella-McCollums-telly-lies-She-left-in-hurry-and-still-owes-flatmates-600-rent.html)
Quote from: No wides on April 05, 2016, 07:04:57 PM
The sun will have her with the baps out yet.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7050761/Michaella-McCollums-telly-lies-She-left-in-hurry-and-still-owes-flatmates-600-rent.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7050761/Michaella-McCollums-telly-lies-She-left-in-hurry-and-still-owes-flatmates-600-rent.html)
I'm gonna hazard a guess that the sun has some "sources" close to her but magically can't be named ::)
I see the fight's over. Generous of No wides to back down and let Milltown Row get one over him
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 10:14:43 PM
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 10:04:31 PM
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Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 09:28:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: GJL on April 04, 2016, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2016, 04:32:32 PM
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Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Yet the two most lethal ones are legal...
The girl was/still is a bit stupid in my view, she hasn't gone about this the right way. She should have shunned the opportunity for an interview and waited a while to get back on her feet and then spoke to the press.
As for the pontificating about how drugs ruin lives; this rings true but it also doesn't hide the fact that there are thousands of recreational drug users here in Ireland. In fact go into any nightclub in Belfast or Dublin on any given weekend and you'll prob bump into a few coke users. There's a clear demand in western societies for drugs and the sooner governments give up their losing battle the better.
absolutly.. a lot of the handwringers you can be sure have used some form of illegal drug keeping the mules in a job...
Never used or sold illegal drugs in my life, I am not wringing my hands just voicing my thoughts.
Do you smoke or drink?
illegal I think he mentioned ... though being from Armagh I'd say some illegal fuel would be more of a crime
Some act - So you hate people from Armagh as well as people on benefits and immigrants - no end to your hatred?
Jesus you're hard work.... I wonder would you just fcuk off and do yourself a favour .... You've obviously got serious issues.... Hard life?? Bit of a struggle??
And you prove with every post that you think you are above the majority of society, I am guessing you are 5'2 with size 5 feet.
5'6 size 8.... So I'd be below must people in fairness, priesthood not take you in??
5'6 with the winter studs in Milltown!
Quote from: CiKe on April 05, 2016, 10:16:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 10:14:43 PM
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 10:04:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 09:37:36 PM
Quote from: No wides on April 04, 2016, 09:28:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2016, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: GJL on April 04, 2016, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2016, 04:32:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 04, 2016, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Yet the two most lethal ones are legal...
The girl was/still is a bit stupid in my view, she hasn't gone about this the right way. She should have shunned the opportunity for an interview and waited a while to get back on her feet and then spoke to the press.
As for the pontificating about how drugs ruin lives; this rings true but it also doesn't hide the fact that there are thousands of recreational drug users here in Ireland. In fact go into any nightclub in Belfast or Dublin on any given weekend and you'll prob bump into a few coke users. There's a clear demand in western societies for drugs and the sooner governments give up their losing battle the better.
absolutly.. a lot of the handwringers you can be sure have used some form of illegal drug keeping the mules in a job...
Never used or sold illegal drugs in my life, I am not wringing my hands just voicing my thoughts.
Do you smoke or drink?
illegal I think he mentioned ... though being from Armagh I'd say some illegal fuel would be more of a crime
Some act - So you hate people from Armagh as well as people on benefits and immigrants - no end to your hatred?
Jesus you're hard work.... I wonder would you just fcuk off and do yourself a favour .... You've obviously got serious issues.... Hard life?? Bit of a struggle??
And you prove with every post that you think you are above the majority of society, I am guessing you are 5'2 with size 5 feet.
5'6 size 8.... So I'd be below must people in fairness, priesthood not take you in??
5'6 with the winter studs in Milltown!
Rugby boots
I watched the show on Sunday night and at the start I probably felt some sympathy for her as I imagined it would have been hell for her in that jail the past 2 years.
However, like so many others I was probably stunned by her glamorous look, big white smile and blonde hair.
My immediate reaction was is she putting herself back in the modelling shop window here. Is she using the media's frenzy over her story to get publicity and get her life back on track? Was it OK for her to do that as she's a very strong person or does it look like she has no real remorse for what she had done.
I think it's human nature (at least here in Ireland) to expect her to look like she had suffered and look like a beaten woman and not be looking like a glamorous young woman who looked even better than she did when she went to Peru. That bun has a lot to answer for.
I suppose the look, the answer to the easy questions, the lack of any sign of hardship or talk of the jail (which may be forced). probably caused a lot of viewers to think this lady is rather false and even though she's talking about being naive, stupid and sorry she hurt so many people, I think a lot of people including myself just didn't believe her. Now she's meant to be helping HIV patients with the assistance of the Arch Bishop out there which in itself is great but there seems to be a feeling of lack of integrity with this girl and her actions and that's it's all for show.
Whether that's our negative Irish outlook or not it's hard to say but I think the main concern for most people is that they do not want to see her benefiting in any way from the whole drug smuggling process, either her or her family.
I think it would have been better if they had of waited a while before doing any interviews and let the dust settle. For a lot of people they see her family over there with her now almost in holiday mood whilst it's not long ago since they were begging us for money for her appeal.
Turns out Michaella is a bit of a Provie!
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/michaella-mccollums-facebook-posts-hailing-dead-ira-men-asheroes-34606433.html
Quote from: AQMP on April 07, 2016, 09:29:42 AM
Turns out Michaella is a bit of a Provie!
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/michaella-mccollums-facebook-posts-hailing-dead-ira-men-asheroes-34606433.html
Not every young person will be foolish enough to go to Peru and get arrested. A large proportion will be foolish enough to put bollix on Facebook of which they will be reminded some time later.
RTE will certainly drop her now
Suzanne Breen seems very bitter and vicious about McCollum on radio the other morning whatever that is about.
Unbelievable!!!!!
Shock!!!
A young nationalist person has sympathy for local men and women murdered by the so called Bristish security forces. Its bad when the Belfast Telegraph are rolling out their republican sources! lol
The indo are really sticking the knife in. Some of their reporting borders on the scandalous.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 07, 2016, 10:37:56 AM
The indo are really sticking the knife in. Some of their reporting borders on the scandalous.
They usually save that kind of witch hunt for Sinn Fein. I'm sure they're furiously searching for even the tiniest of links between them.
sure they have it now with the IRA facebook post.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 07, 2016, 11:49:34 AM
sure they have it now with the IRA facebook post.
They'll blame Sinn Fein for the actual trafficking in tomorrow's paper.
How close is Peru to Colombia?
Jesus wept. I don't know what's worse - BT trawling through her Facebook account or actually seeking (and recieving) comment from Unionist politicians. Obviously with an election coming up ill be expecting mccollum to be revealed as oc of the ibiza brigade
Laughable that article, as already mentioned a nationalist supporting the IRA is hardly breaking news, getting unionist to voice their opinion on it is even worse. More to the point why interview politicians at all?
Some boy trying to put in his 40 hours at the BT me thinks!
Wait until 'Our Wullie' finds out....
Scraping social media accounts is where the BT gets must of it journalistic material. A rag.
QuoteThe indo are really sticking the knife in. Some of their reporting borders on the scandalous.
Agreed AZ but not surprised considering they missed their exclusive interview themselves
Quote from: Declan on April 07, 2016, 02:23:45 PM
QuoteThe indo are really sticking the knife in. Some of their reporting borders on the scandalous.
Agreed AZ but not surprised considering they missed their exclusive interview themselves
Barry Egan and Niamh Horan will be absolutely seething they missed it. Come Dine with Me with Gerald Kean and Lisa Murphy awaits.
All that aside though, wasn't she looking lovely?
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 07, 2016, 12:06:15 PM
How close is Peru to Colombia?
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2015/07/23/dissident-republican-group-only-8-more-drug-deals-away-from-32-county-ireland/ (http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2015/07/23/dissident-republican-group-only-8-more-drug-deals-away-from-32-county-ireland/)
Quote from: gallsman on April 07, 2016, 03:53:05 PM
Quote from: Declan on April 07, 2016, 02:23:45 PM
QuoteThe indo are really sticking the knife in. Some of their reporting borders on the scandalous.
Agreed AZ but not surprised considering they missed their exclusive interview themselves
Barry Egan and Niamh Horan will be absolutely seething they missed it. Come Dine with Me with Gerald Kean and Lisa Murphy awaits.
Some people would be hoping the provos would break the ceasefire for that gathering.
I only got caught up on interview last night.
I thought she came across very well. A young girl who made a mistake because she was foolish and chasing the partier lifestyle - she seemed to have learned alot and faced up to the penalty in an admirable way.
She has served her time She deserves a second chance - some people need to get off their high horse. Its not her fault that people want to hear her story and if she makes money out of that then good luck to her.
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on April 07, 2016, 02:04:32 PM
Wait until 'Our Wullie' finds out....
Willie reporting that she was spotted in ibiza with the
Italian irish flag...
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Quote from: gallsman on April 07, 2016, 03:53:05 PM
Quote from: Declan on April 07, 2016, 02:23:45 PM
QuoteThe indo are really sticking the knife in. Some of their reporting borders on the scandalous.
Agreed AZ but not surprised considering they missed their exclusive interview themselves
Barry Egan and Niamh Horan will be absolutely seething they missed it. Come Dine with Me with Gerald Kean and Lisa Murphy awaits.
Some people would be hoping the provos would break the ceasefire for that gathering.
I'd be one of them.
Quote from: gallsman on April 07, 2016, 08:48:23 PM
Quote from: mikehunt on April 07, 2016, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 07, 2016, 03:53:05 PM
Quote from: Declan on April 07, 2016, 02:23:45 PM
QuoteThe indo are really sticking the knife in. Some of their reporting borders on the scandalous.
Agreed AZ but not surprised considering they missed their exclusive interview themselves
Barry Egan and Niamh Horan will be absolutely seething they missed it. Come Dine with Me with Gerald Kean and Lisa Murphy awaits.
Some people would be hoping the provos would break the ceasefire for that gathering.
I'd be one of them.
I reckon even Wullie would turn a blind eye for that one night
There's the start of it - the drug mule will try to be all over the place.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7068479/Michaella-McCollums-big-blow-Reality-show-bosses-say-no-to-convicted-drug-mule.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7068479/Michaella-McCollums-big-blow-Reality-show-bosses-say-no-to-convicted-drug-mule.html)
Quote from: No wides on April 12, 2016, 08:25:04 AM
There's the start of it - the drug mule will try to be all over the place.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7068479/Michaella-McCollums-big-blow-Reality-show-bosses-say-no-to-convicted-drug-mule.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7068479/Michaella-McCollums-big-blow-Reality-show-bosses-say-no-to-convicted-drug-mule.html)
So a Sun reporter asks Celebrity Big Brother if they are considering her for the next series.
Celebrity Big Brother say they are not.
The Sun makes a big story out of it.
Sun reader sees article and gets annoyed at her for publicity she's trying to get.
The Sun know their audience.
Quote from: Hound on April 12, 2016, 08:55:33 AM
Quote from: No wides on April 12, 2016, 08:25:04 AM
There's the start of it - the drug mule will try to be all over the place.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7068479/Michaella-McCollums-big-blow-Reality-show-bosses-say-no-to-convicted-drug-mule.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7068479/Michaella-McCollums-big-blow-Reality-show-bosses-say-no-to-convicted-drug-mule.html)
So a Sun reporter asks Celebrity Big Brother if they are considering her for the next series.
Celebrity Big Brother say they are not.
The Sun makes a big story out of it.
Sun reader sees article and gets annoyed at her for publicity she's trying to get.
The Sun know their audience.
Yeah there is nothing there to say she approached CBB. Sun in making up a story shocker
Quote from: Hound on April 12, 2016, 08:55:33 AM
Quote from: No wides on April 12, 2016, 08:25:04 AM
There's the start of it - the drug mule will try to be all over the place.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7068479/Michaella-McCollums-big-blow-Reality-show-bosses-say-no-to-convicted-drug-mule.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7068479/Michaella-McCollums-big-blow-Reality-show-bosses-say-no-to-convicted-drug-mule.html)
So a Sun reporter
Should have stopped right there..
Quote from: No wides on April 12, 2016, 08:25:04 AM
There's the start of it - the drug mule will try to be all over the place.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7068479/Michaella-McCollums-big-blow-Reality-show-bosses-say-no-to-convicted-drug-mule.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7068479/Michaella-McCollums-big-blow-Reality-show-bosses-say-no-to-convicted-drug-mule.html)
Here's another link to put it into persepctive:
http://www.irishnews.com/news/2016/04/11/news/michaella-solicitor-says-all-offers-for-paid-interviews-have-been-refused-481704/
The sun or The Irish News? I know which one I take more seriously!
Quote from: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 10:19:04 AM
Quote from: No wides on April 12, 2016, 08:25:04 AM
There's the start of it - the drug mule will try to be all over the place.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7068479/Michaella-McCollums-big-blow-Reality-show-bosses-say-no-to-convicted-drug-mule.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7068479/Michaella-McCollums-big-blow-Reality-show-bosses-say-no-to-convicted-drug-mule.html)
Here's another link to put it into persepctive:
http://www.irishnews.com/news/2016/04/11/news/michaella-solicitor-says-all-offers-for-paid-interviews-have-been-refused-481704/
The sun or The Irish News? I know which one I take more seriously!
Well the Irish News publishes their fair share of shite too. She is probably just waiting for the most lucrative opportunity
Quote from: Minder on April 12, 2016, 10:23:21 AM
Quote from: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 10:19:04 AM
Quote from: No wides on April 12, 2016, 08:25:04 AM
There's the start of it - the drug mule will try to be all over the place.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7068479/Michaella-McCollums-big-blow-Reality-show-bosses-say-no-to-convicted-drug-mule.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7068479/Michaella-McCollums-big-blow-Reality-show-bosses-say-no-to-convicted-drug-mule.html)
Here's another link to put it into persepctive:
http://www.irishnews.com/news/2016/04/11/news/michaella-solicitor-says-all-offers-for-paid-interviews-have-been-refused-481704/
The sun or The Irish News? I know which one I take more seriously!
Well the Irish News publishes their fair share of shite too. She is probably just waiting for the most lucrative opportunity
So you would prefer to get your information from the Sun over the Irish News?
It's the media frenzy world we now live in.
We all crave shocking and interesting news and with social media now so easy to come by on our phones then there is huge scope for money to be made from the media and those willing to make the news.
Did you see the two kids last week who walked behind your woman doing the RTE interview outside the Dail shouting all sort of expletives knowing they will be looked up to by their peers on national television.
Watching the republic of telly last night by pure chance and saw they were taking the piss out of the McCollum interview showing her reading the answers from an autocue.
in hindsight, I think she was mad to do the interview with RTE at all as it has turned people against her even more but I think it's more media driven and says a lot about the world we live in nowadays where we all want to watch other people through youtube or whatever means possible.
In fairness The Sun is perfectly accurate in their article.
They ask CBB and they said who? (although you could say the same for a lot of "celebrities" )
How come the Indo/Sindo/BelTel journos have laid off her? They were running articles every single day.
/Jim
After all the shite they have put out over the years I dont know why any of you are discussing an article from that contemptible rag. I wouldn't even click the link.
Sure she wouldn't be a big enough star for celebrity big brother.
http://metro.co.uk/2016/04/10/hijack-selfie-man-ben-innes-for-celebrity-big-brother-2016-5807697/
CBB?
Sure she is just out of prison. Why would she want to back in, with even worse company this time?
She's home in Dublin tonight! A full week after Mayo knocked her native Tyrone out of the Championship!
Quote from: T Fearon on August 13, 2016, 10:05:25 PM
She's home in Dublin tonight! A full week after Mayo knocked her native Tyrone out of the Championship!
You'd know all about getting the weeks mixed up for s big game in Dublin!!
Another 2 busted in Australia for smuggling $30million of cocaine
http://notable.ca/bikini-posing-canadian-twentysomethings-caught-smuggling-30-million-of-cocaine/
(http://i67.tinypic.com/10fqs8m.png)
The one on the left has an interesting Instagram account :-X
https://www.instagram.com/melinar___/
Always good when a man remembers rule 1!!
Drug delete are so stupid. Who most likely to get a pat down, these ones or say Tony Fearon? Don't use babes to transport your drugs. Use Tonys.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/peru-two-cocaine-mule-michaella-10066175
This girl takes brazenness to new levels if true.
for some reason i cannot summon up much indignation over michela. i dont know her and dont know anyone belonging to her but she did her time and hard time it was. so if she can make a living for herself now even on the back of her experience then good luck to her.
what she did was incredibly stupid but she paid for it.
I saw her floating about Belfast doing some retail therapy recently.
She looked as if she didnt have a care in the world but then she did the time for her crime so as society we should not judge her and why wouldnt she now enjoy herself.
Quote from: guy crouchback on March 22, 2017, 09:10:08 AM
for some reason i cannot summon up much indignation over michela. i dont know her and dont know anyone belonging to her but she did her time and hard time it was. so if she can make a living for herself now even on the back of her experience then good luck to her.
what she did was incredibly stupid but she paid for it.
+1
Yeah look she was not much more than a child at the time, probably impressionable. I would not like to be judged by some of the things I done in my teens. In fact the crazy nature of what she and her friend took on would suggest naivety in the extreme.
So we know that she is getting paid in excess of £100,000 to present a programme on crime (the irony!). I'm perfectly fine with her re-integrating herself into society but she has never indicated any genuine levels of remorse and appears to be more interested in self publicity. She certainly has If she hadn't attempted to smuggle those drugs and got caught, the reality is that no-one would have heard of her by now. She is now reaping the financial rewards of her crime and the lack of moral fibre shown from a TV network to employ her in such a role is bizarre but not surprising. What next, an armed robber presenting crimewatch!!
Ara you've little to be worrying yourself about. Low cut top and tight jeans and let her at it. Job for her due to her experience, same way Jamie Redknapp got Sky gig due to his fraudulent past as a footballer.
Quote from: PW Nally on March 22, 2017, 05:00:25 PM
Ara you've little to be worrying yourself about. Low cut top and tight jeans and let her at it. Job for her due to her experience, same way Jamie Redknapp got Sky gig due to his fraudulent past as a footballer.
;D
Quote from: Hectic on March 22, 2017, 11:47:01 AM
Yeah look she was not much more than a child at the time, probably impressionable. I would not like to be judged by some of the things I done in my teens. In fact the crazy nature of what she and her friend took on would suggest naivety in the extreme.
Cop on lad. There's a fair bit of difference to the things we done in our teens and smuggling umpteen kilos if cocaine.
Does anyone see the similarity between:
a) the drug mule that transports drugs from one place to another
b) the barman who sells beer to the drink driver
No.
Quote from: Orior on March 22, 2017, 08:31:53 PM
Does anyone see the similarity between:
a) the drug mule that transports drugs from one place to another
b) the barman who sells beer to the drink driver
You'd have a short career if you started bring morality into your profession as a bartender. Or indeed many other professions.
Quote from: Orior on March 22, 2017, 08:31:53 PM
Does anyone see the similarity between:
a) the drug mule that transports drugs from one place to another
b) the barman who sells beer to the drink driver
Not at all, both are wrong but they have nothing else in common, she did her time and paid her debt, personally I think she got off very lightly, I would just like to never hear about her again, not exactly quality.
Quote from: Orior on March 22, 2017, 08:31:53 PM
Does anyone see the similarity between:
a) the drug mule that transports drugs from one place to another
b) the barman who sells beer to the drink driver
Or the shopkeeper who sells cigarettes....
She's now pregnant according to the Daily Mirror
Can we start a gofundme for the wain.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on January 28, 2018, 09:13:22 AM
She's now pregnant according to the Daily Mirror
Really pregnant or is she laying the ground work for her next South American trip.....
Plenty of young people make mistakes and should be allowed to move on. Best of luck to her.
He/she without sin ......
Very good documentary on BBC iplayer about the Peru 2 (well Michaela really). High: Confessions of an Ibiza Drug Mule. Reading back a few pages there and she didn't get a big pile of sympathy. This might alter a few opinions.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 12, 2021, 11:26:50 PM
Very good documentary on BBC iplayer about the Peru 2 (well Michaela really). High: Confessions of an Ibiza Drug Mule. Reading back a few pages there and she didn't get a big pile of sympathy. This might alter a few opinions.
Yes and no....
She is playing a good hand, (I've only watched the first part) yes she got mixed up with complete wankers but it was still her choice. Sympathy is still out..
Lot of things in Episode 5 that wouldn't be common knowledge - I assume anyway, as I sure as shite wasn't aware.