European Super League

Started by seafoid, April 18, 2021, 08:03:00 PM

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Cavan19

Quote from: tiempo on April 22, 2021, 10:09:40 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 22, 2021, 10:00:32 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 22, 2021, 09:35:42 AM
I'd like to hear a logical reason why the owners of PL clubs would vote for allowing Celtic/Rangers into the league, there isn't any.

I cannot see any reason why either club should get in.

Added to that how or where they would enter the league and would it mean English clubs dropping out of the PL means it would be a non runner

Same premise as Cardiff and Swansea - too big for their "native" leagues i.e. sporting merit.


Swansea, along with Cardiff City, Newport County, Wrexham and Merthyr Town all play in the English Football League as when they were first formed, no Welsh football league had existed. And so, their only option was to join the English Football League – Cardiff doing so in 1920 and Swansea following suit in 1921 .
Nothing to do with being to big for their native leagues.

seafoid


https://www.ft.com/content/46cc7a08-95c9-44c3-9aea-136ca3ae80b5

. In England, the Premier League is pushing to remove from its subcommittees representatives from Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United, Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur, according to someone close to the English top flight.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

imtommygunn

So Boris met Ed Woodward days before this was announced l not to discuss the super league apparently...

snoopdog

Quote from: seafoid on April 22, 2021, 08:11:31 PM

https://www.ft.com/content/46cc7a08-95c9-44c3-9aea-136ca3ae80b5

. In England, the Premier League is pushing to remove from its subcommittees representatives from Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United, Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur, according to someone close to the English top flight.
While they should be punished I doubt they will be. They are too powerful. And I hope they are punished.

seafoid

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/04/22/premier-league-plans-new-rule-expel-clubs-plot-breakaways-super/

The Premier League is set to introduce changes to its rulebook which would prevent any future breakaways by the 'Big Six' rebel clubs.

A global furore around the European Super League fiasco has cemented the determination of top tier executives to agree on new legal powers.

Competition law changes are being considered as part of an internal governance review sparked even before the Project Big Picture domestic coup last autumn.

While new laws are expected to stop short of immediate expulsions, lawyers are understood to be working through options that would be designed to make it impossible for any club to join a breakaway.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU


BennyCake

The new Champions League format is just as sinister as the ESL. Based on the "Swiss system" apparently, is all you need to know really. Anything Swiss has to be dodgy.

A 36 team league, but you only play 10 of the other 35 teams. What the f**k is that all about?

Likely means another 4 European nights before Christmas. Surely that means the end of the League Cup?

I don't know about the rest of you, but European competitions are long past being any way interesting.  This is just ripping the arse out of it.

seafoid

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/2023/02/09/european-super-league-organisers-say-new-format-could-contain-80-teams/

European Super League organisers say new format could contain 80 teams
Competition would be based on sporting performance only with no permanent members

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Real Madrid chief Florentino Perez, who was the original ESL president. Photograph: Getty Images
Thu Feb 9 2023 - 10:05

A new-look, open European Super League could contain up to 80 teams in a multi-divisional format, the competition's chief executive has said.

The competition would be based on sporting performance only with no permanent members, A22 chief executive Bernd Reichart told German newspaper Die Welt.

Teams would be guaranteed a minimum of 14 matches per season, Reichart wrote.

A22, a company formed to sponsor and assist with the creation of the Super League, has consulted with nearly 50 European clubs since October last year and developed 10 principles based on that consultation which underpin its plans for a new-look league.


"It's time for a change. It is the clubs that bear the entrepreneurial risk in football. But when important decisions are at stake, they are too often forced to sit idly by on the sidelines as the sporting and financial foundations crumble around them.


"Our talks have also made it clear that clubs often find it impossible to speak out publicly against a system that uses the threat of sanctions to thwart opposition.

"Our dialogue was open, honest, constructive and resulted in clear ideas about what changes are needed and how they could be implemented. There is a lot to do and we will continue our dialogue."

A22 has challenged Uefa and FIFA's right to block the formation of the Super League and sanction the competing clubs in the courts, arguing the governing bodies are abusing a dominant position under EU competition law.

The European Court of Justice is due to give its final ruling in the case later this year, but a non-binding opinion delivered by the Advocate General in the case in December said rules allowing Uefa and Fifa to block the formation of new competitions was compatible with EU law.

Reichart said the new-look Super League would be an open competition, with qualification achieved via performance at national level and with all its teams competing in their domestic leagues.

Those national leagues would remain "the foundation" of the game, Reichart said, and argued that the new Super League would generate new revenues to support the entire pyramid.


The guarantee of a minimum of 14 matches, Reichart says, would provide "stability and predictability" of revenue.

Reichart sets out plans for cost control measures, saying clubs should spend only a fixed percentage of their annual football-related revenue on player salaries and net transfers.

"Club spending must be based solely on the funds generated and not on competitively distorting capital injections," he wrote.

"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Eire90

European Super League launches radical new plan for football


https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european-super-league-new-plan-b2467762.html


he European Super League (ESL) have launched a radical new plan to overhaul football after a landmark court ruling determined that Uefa had violated EU competition law by forbidding the project initially.

The European Court of Justice ruled that football's governing bodies acted "unlawfully" by blocking the breakaway league – stating that Fifa and Uefa abused their dominant position by forbidding clubs outright to compete in the ESL, although added that the Super League may still not be approved.

Sports development company A22, formed to assist in the creation of the ESL, celebrated the ruling and heralded a new dawn for the sport.

"We have won the right to compete. The Uefa monopoly is over. Football is free," said A22 CEO Bernd Reichart. "Clubs are now free from the threat of sanction and free to determine their own futures."

In addition to the Uefa ban, the Super League's initial plans that were launched in April 2021 went down in flames due to huge backlash from fans – specifically surrounding the breakaway tournament being a 'closed shop' protecting big teams with no promotion or relegation and no indication of a women's competition.

Following the ECJ ruling, the Super League has now relaunched with a new format – proposing men's and women's midweek European competitions with promotion and relegation included and all Super League matches being free to watch.



is the super league now back uefa says they cant block it a22 say they have a new tournament ready to go

Eire90

I dont see how they can have this new competition and the new champions league format one will probably not survive.

nrico2006

What was the punishment again and what rule did they supposedy break?
'To the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal, light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle.'

JoG2

Clubs are nothing without their fans.. Would fans go for this?

J70

Quote from: JoG2 on December 21, 2023, 01:38:47 PMClubs are nothing without their fans.. Would fans go for this?

The big objection on the part of the fans (which most of us here, as fans, shared) was the closed shop aspect of it, the idea that the elite teams would be part of it based on reputation alone. They wouldn't have to earn their way in each season.

Looks like they're proposing that teams would have to qualify now, which removes that primary reason for the backlash.

On that basis, there's no way both the CL and this competition could co-exist.

In the case of the PL, the Independent article says that UK law would prevent teams joining it, however.

Eire90

There is no way you could have two European competitions that are similar you to each other if this super league became a thing the champions would league would have to become a knockout competition to make it radically different from the new super league.

shark

Quote from: J70 on December 21, 2023, 01:56:29 PMLooks like they're proposing that teams would have to qualify now, which removes that primary reason for the backlash.

they are not proposing that. They are proposing that teams can qualify , for the 3rd competition, and eventually work their way up. But the teams who start in the top competition could have multiple bad seasons domestically and it wouldn't matter as long as they did ok in this competition.

they started off with a closed shop proposal, which was rejected.
now they've returned with as close to that as possible.

if a team like Girona, Villa, or Leverkusen (to use this years high flyers as example) were to have a brilliant season domestically , they still would not be in the top european competition the following year.