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#1381
Quote from: whitey on August 19, 2020, 09:51:51 PM
So point out that the Democrats also have some unsavory characters is what aboutery

I think double standards is a better "choice of words"
aoc endorses Bernard , anti semites giving speeches , interviews with Cardi b what's next Farrakhan to make an appearance?
#1382
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 19, 2020, 07:05:47 PM
Meanwhile Don congratulated this woman who describes herself as a "proud Islamaphobe" and is a Sandy Hook hoaxer on winning her primary last night - https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1295932138290917376



despicable thing to tweet .
#1383
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 19, 2020, 07:05:47 PM
Meanwhile Don congratulated this woman who describes herself as a "proud Islamaphobe" and is a Sandy Hook hoaxer on winning her primary last night - https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1295932138290917376



what about Linda Sarsour the antisemite talking at dnc convention ? All good I guess
#1384
Quote from: J70 on August 19, 2020, 02:07:53 AM
Quote from: Gmac on August 18, 2020, 10:22:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 18, 2020, 05:49:03 PM
Quote from: Gmac on August 18, 2020, 05:41:31 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 18, 2020, 05:38:21 PM
Quote from: Gmac on August 18, 2020, 05:09:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 18, 2020, 04:43:18 PM
Quote from: Gmac on August 18, 2020, 03:02:35 PM

the Democrats really have a great scapegoat in trump blame him for everything even in states and cities they have run for decades, Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago, Minneapolis terrible places to live for black people and super dangerous for the communities that live there. Los Angeles 65k homeless San Francisco nobody on the streets only zombies , California will have no middle class soon only very rich and poor people ,the state can't even guarantee electricity to stay on in summer months , Portland and Seattle have the most liberal policies in the country but the loons are still not happy and riot almost nightly..Add the murder rate in nyc and Chicago and other liberal cities going through the roof weekly and it should give you a snapshot of the country in the future .

1.   Who is blaming Trump personally for the various long-standing problems in the US? He is rightly getting plenty of blame for a number of things from his incompetence to his corruption/self-dealing to his bigoted rhetoric and policies to his embracing of conspiracy theories and anti-intellectualism (although most of the latter are standard GOP fare, in fairness).

2.   Tell us Gmac, what the GOP is trying to do to help these inner city communities which, like many large cities in a capitalist system, are full of poverty and crime? How are conservative poliices going to bring in a bright new future instead of this "American Carnage" you're so confidently predicting? What does the GOP have to offer a poor, single black mother with a couple of kids? What is the GOP solution to homelessness or gentrification or healthcare?
who's blaming trump ? Have you been asleep for the last 5 months ,America is a racist country and it's because trump is the president is what I hear , why is the mayor of nyc painting blm on the street outside trump tower ?  Here's the thing about gentrification in these cities the politicians don't want any poor people or shitty old buildings in their cities there's no money in that for them .
They want property taxes , planning and building department fees from upgrades and new buildings which go to school districts and keep city budgets afloat , they want to do inspections on the buildings which creates more fees , they add in one or two low income housing here and there to cover their ass and they are corrupt also , the head building inspector and public works head were both arrested in San Francisco in the last year . Not sure what gop would do but it couldn't be any worse

Then you haven't been paying attention. Trump is president because America is a racist country, not the other way around.
was Obama not elected twice

He was. Despite the efforts of the GOP itself and certain people who are now president who fostered or indulged the racism against Obama.
yes and when he won both times the results were accepted and there was no outcry in the country that's full of white supremacists like eamon and Sid seem to believe. Just gauge that to trumps win and it's easy figure out who the anti democracy people are .

You must have missed the secession petitions in places like Texas, as well as the constant paranoid propaganda over his term from the right about what he was about to use the government to do (off the top of my head, do Jade Helm, for example, or FEMA re-education camps, ring any bells?).

And once again, Obama didn't try to invalidate the election ahead of time like Trump did in 2016 and is actively trying to do now.

If you want to whinge about anti-democratic tendencies, you should wait until you have a better horse to bet on than Trump.
california wanted to secede after last election and Obama only tried to interfere in the last election by spying on a presidential campaign .
#1385
Quote from: J70 on August 18, 2020, 05:49:03 PM
Quote from: Gmac on August 18, 2020, 05:41:31 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 18, 2020, 05:38:21 PM
Quote from: Gmac on August 18, 2020, 05:09:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 18, 2020, 04:43:18 PM
Quote from: Gmac on August 18, 2020, 03:02:35 PM

the Democrats really have a great scapegoat in trump blame him for everything even in states and cities they have run for decades, Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago, Minneapolis terrible places to live for black people and super dangerous for the communities that live there. Los Angeles 65k homeless San Francisco nobody on the streets only zombies , California will have no middle class soon only very rich and poor people ,the state can't even guarantee electricity to stay on in summer months , Portland and Seattle have the most liberal policies in the country but the loons are still not happy and riot almost nightly..Add the murder rate in nyc and Chicago and other liberal cities going through the roof weekly and it should give you a snapshot of the country in the future .

1.   Who is blaming Trump personally for the various long-standing problems in the US? He is rightly getting plenty of blame for a number of things from his incompetence to his corruption/self-dealing to his bigoted rhetoric and policies to his embracing of conspiracy theories and anti-intellectualism (although most of the latter are standard GOP fare, in fairness).

2.   Tell us Gmac, what the GOP is trying to do to help these inner city communities which, like many large cities in a capitalist system, are full of poverty and crime? How are conservative poliices going to bring in a bright new future instead of this "American Carnage" you're so confidently predicting? What does the GOP have to offer a poor, single black mother with a couple of kids? What is the GOP solution to homelessness or gentrification or healthcare?
who's blaming trump ? Have you been asleep for the last 5 months ,America is a racist country and it's because trump is the president is what I hear , why is the mayor of nyc painting blm on the street outside trump tower ?  Here's the thing about gentrification in these cities the politicians don't want any poor people or shitty old buildings in their cities there's no money in that for them .
They want property taxes , planning and building department fees from upgrades and new buildings which go to school districts and keep city budgets afloat , they want to do inspections on the buildings which creates more fees , they add in one or two low income housing here and there to cover their ass and they are corrupt also , the head building inspector and public works head were both arrested in San Francisco in the last year . Not sure what gop would do but it couldn't be any worse

Then you haven't been paying attention. Trump is president because America is a racist country, not the other way around.
was Obama not elected twice

He was. Despite the efforts of the GOP itself and certain people who are now president who fostered or indulged the racism against Obama.
yes and when he won both times the results were accepted and there was no outcry in the country that's full of white supremacists like eamon and Sid seem to believe. Just gauge that to trumps win and it's easy figure out who the anti democracy people are .
#1386
Quote from: J70 on August 18, 2020, 05:47:06 PM
Quote from: Gmac on August 18, 2020, 05:09:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 18, 2020, 04:43:18 PM
Quote from: Gmac on August 18, 2020, 03:02:35 PM

the Democrats really have a great scapegoat in trump blame him for everything even in states and cities they have run for decades, Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago, Minneapolis terrible places to live for black people and super dangerous for the communities that live there. Los Angeles 65k homeless San Francisco nobody on the streets only zombies , California will have no middle class soon only very rich and poor people ,the state can't even guarantee electricity to stay on in summer months , Portland and Seattle have the most liberal policies in the country but the loons are still not happy and riot almost nightly..Add the murder rate in nyc and Chicago and other liberal cities going through the roof weekly and it should give you a snapshot of the country in the future .

1.   Who is blaming Trump personally for the various long-standing problems in the US? He is rightly getting plenty of blame for a number of things from his incompetence to his corruption/self-dealing to his bigoted rhetoric and policies to his embracing of conspiracy theories and anti-intellectualism (although most of the latter are standard GOP fare, in fairness).

2.   Tell us Gmac, what the GOP is trying to do to help these inner city communities which, like many large cities in a capitalist system, are full of poverty and crime? How are conservative poliices going to bring in a bright new future instead of this "American Carnage" you're so confidently predicting? What does the GOP have to offer a poor, single black mother with a couple of kids? What is the GOP solution to homelessness or gentrification or healthcare?
who's blaming trump ? Have you been asleep for the last 5 months ,America is a racist country and it's because trump is the president is what I hear , why is the mayor of nyc painting blm on the street outside trump tower ?  Here's the thing about gentrification in these cities the politicians don't want any poor people or shitty old buildings in their cities there's no money in that for them .
They want property taxes , planning and building department fees from upgrades and new buildings which go to school districts and keep city budgets afloat , they want to do inspections on the buildings which creates more fees , they add in one or two low income housing here and there to cover their ass and they are corrupt also , the head building inspector and public works head were both arrested in San Francisco in the last year . Not sure what gop would do but it couldn't be any worse

1. DeBlasio painted BLM in front of Trump Tower because of Trump's racism and rhetoric, not because he thinks Trump is the source of all the US's racist issues.
(I cycled past Trump Tower this morning on my way to work - the painting is still there and looking well  ;))
2. Those Democratic politicians DON'T want poor people in their cities? So they DON'T want to "soak the rich" to pay for public housing and schools and healthcare and so on? That's news!
3. I've never claimed that liberals or Democrats or public employees couldn't be corrupt. ANYONE can be corrupted. That's why you need independent oversight with proper teeth, whether its federal government inspectors general or a local police ombudsman.
4. The GOP most certainly COULD be worse. Where are the poor and downtrodden going to turn if the public programmes, whether for housing or health or whatever, disappear under a Republican administration?
the homeless are a business too j70 lots of money to be skimmed and backhanded from the millions spent on that also .
#1387
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 18, 2020, 05:38:21 PM
Quote from: Gmac on August 18, 2020, 05:09:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 18, 2020, 04:43:18 PM
Quote from: Gmac on August 18, 2020, 03:02:35 PM

the Democrats really have a great scapegoat in trump blame him for everything even in states and cities they have run for decades, Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago, Minneapolis terrible places to live for black people and super dangerous for the communities that live there. Los Angeles 65k homeless San Francisco nobody on the streets only zombies , California will have no middle class soon only very rich and poor people ,the state can't even guarantee electricity to stay on in summer months , Portland and Seattle have the most liberal policies in the country but the loons are still not happy and riot almost nightly..Add the murder rate in nyc and Chicago and other liberal cities going through the roof weekly and it should give you a snapshot of the country in the future .

1.   Who is blaming Trump personally for the various long-standing problems in the US? He is rightly getting plenty of blame for a number of things from his incompetence to his corruption/self-dealing to his bigoted rhetoric and policies to his embracing of conspiracy theories and anti-intellectualism (although most of the latter are standard GOP fare, in fairness).

2.   Tell us Gmac, what the GOP is trying to do to help these inner city communities which, like many large cities in a capitalist system, are full of poverty and crime? How are conservative poliices going to bring in a bright new future instead of this "American Carnage" you're so confidently predicting? What does the GOP have to offer a poor, single black mother with a couple of kids? What is the GOP solution to homelessness or gentrification or healthcare?
who's blaming trump ? Have you been asleep for the last 5 months ,America is a racist country and it's because trump is the president is what I hear , why is the mayor of nyc painting blm on the street outside trump tower ?  Here's the thing about gentrification in these cities the politicians don't want any poor people or shitty old buildings in their cities there's no money in that for them .
They want property taxes , planning and building department fees from upgrades and new buildings which go to school districts and keep city budgets afloat , they want to do inspections on the buildings which creates more fees , they add in one or two low income housing here and there to cover their ass and they are corrupt also , the head building inspector and public works head were both arrested in San Francisco in the last year . Not sure what gop would do but it couldn't be any worse

Then you haven't been paying attention. Trump is president because America is a racist country, not the other way around.
was Obama not elected twice
#1388
Quote from: J70 on August 18, 2020, 04:43:18 PM
Quote from: Gmac on August 18, 2020, 03:02:35 PM

the Democrats really have a great scapegoat in trump blame him for everything even in states and cities they have run for decades, Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago, Minneapolis terrible places to live for black people and super dangerous for the communities that live there. Los Angeles 65k homeless San Francisco nobody on the streets only zombies , California will have no middle class soon only very rich and poor people ,the state can't even guarantee electricity to stay on in summer months , Portland and Seattle have the most liberal policies in the country but the loons are still not happy and riot almost nightly..Add the murder rate in nyc and Chicago and other liberal cities going through the roof weekly and it should give you a snapshot of the country in the future .

1.   Who is blaming Trump personally for the various long-standing problems in the US? He is rightly getting plenty of blame for a number of things from his incompetence to his corruption/self-dealing to his bigoted rhetoric and policies to his embracing of conspiracy theories and anti-intellectualism (although most of the latter are standard GOP fare, in fairness).

2.   Tell us Gmac, what the GOP is trying to do to help these inner city communities which, like many large cities in a capitalist system, are full of poverty and crime? How are conservative poliices going to bring in a bright new future instead of this "American Carnage" you're so confidently predicting? What does the GOP have to offer a poor, single black mother with a couple of kids? What is the GOP solution to homelessness or gentrification or healthcare?
who's blaming trump ? Have you been asleep for the last 5 months ,America is a racist country and it's because trump is the president is what I hear , why is the mayor of nyc painting blm on the street outside trump tower ?  Here's the thing about gentrification in these cities the politicians don't want any poor people or shitty old buildings in their cities there's no money in that for them .
They want property taxes , planning and building department fees from upgrades and new buildings which go to school districts and keep city budgets afloat , they want to do inspections on the buildings which creates more fees , they add in one or two low income housing here and there to cover their ass and they are corrupt also , the head building inspector and public works head were both arrested in San Francisco in the last year . Not sure what gop would do but it couldn't be any worse
#1389
Quote from: whitey on August 18, 2020, 04:05:47 PM
I see that Joe did not appear on any of the Sunday shows, but did grant an interview to Cardi B

What a smart and uplifting lady

https://t.co/JIjqRK95sY

****warning**** Contains extremely vulgar language
she knows her shit  haha
#1390
Quote from: whitey on August 18, 2020, 01:15:56 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on August 18, 2020, 01:13:16 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 18, 2020, 01:07:40 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on August 18, 2020, 12:51:58 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 18, 2020, 11:39:03 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on August 18, 2020, 10:18:07 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 18, 2020, 02:19:47 AM

Mark and Patricia McCloskey who are facing charges of one count of unlawful use of a weapon. The "party of law and order" my ass.
"Law and order" as used in American politics has always been a white supremacist dog whistle

It means "keep the blacks down"

It is designed to portray blackness as synonomous with criminality and criminality as synonymous with blackness

One particular poster here is obsessed with doing just that

How are your buddies, the "good guys"  from Antifa doing this weather? (99% of whom are white)

Have they kicked anyone unconscious recently?
There's no such organisation as antifa

Antifa stands for anti-fascist

Anti-fascism is now a terrorist offence according to Trump

Funny how you support anti-fascism being made a terrorist offence, isn't it

Antifa are Anarchists and domestic terrorists

He is 100% correct
There it is straight from the horse's mouth yet again

You don't get many posters openly eulogising fascism but the white supremacist bases his whole sense of self around it

Pretty scary to be honest that such nutcases exist

I suppose at least given that he's out of Ireland it stops him being in league with the blood and soilers like Gemtrails and Justin Barrett in this country

Have the "good guys" shot any black teenagers recently and celebrated?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thepostmillennial.com/seattle-fifth-shooting-antifa-celebrates-chop
the Democrats really have a great scapegoat in trump blame him for everything even in states and cities they have run for decades, Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago, Minneapolis terrible places to live for black people and super dangerous for the communities that live there. Los Angeles 65k homeless San Francisco nobody on the streets only zombies , California will have no middle class soon only very rich and poor people ,the state can't even guarantee electricity to stay on in summer months , Portland and Seattle have the most liberal policies in the country but the loons are still not happy and riot almost nightly..Add the murder rate in nyc and Chicago and other liberal cities going through the roof weekly and it should give you a snapshot of the country in the future .
#1391
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 18, 2020, 02:19:47 AM
Bernie Sanders takes the stage tonight as part of a wide diverse swath of progressive and moderate Dems - with Jon Kasich as well - kicking off this historically unique Dem national convention.

And headlining the right...



Mark and Patricia McCloskey who are facing charges of one count of unlawful use of a weapon. The "party of law and order" my ass.
eva Longoria kicked it off from her $15m dollar mansion with a wall around it and armed security, is she talking border security?
#1392
Quote from: whitey on August 16, 2020, 11:18:45 AM
Quote from: fearbrags on August 16, 2020, 01:26:13 AM
Quote from: Gmac on August 15, 2020, 04:05:49 PM
Biden campaign refusing to go on any of the Sunday morning news shows , I wonder why

Because he is winning 🙄

Exactly....all he needs to do is run down the clock

Nothing to be gained by going on TV, although this tactic may not sit well with some of the people whose vote he needs to win.
correction here he did a hard hitting interview with confessed ho and hold up merchant Cardi b .
#1393
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 17, 2020, 07:49:10 PM
Quote from: Gmac on August 17, 2020, 06:48:19 PM
the thing is the Democrats still haven't excepted (sic) the 2016 election results and they've been protesting sometimes violently since .

Take it up with the electoral college. When you undermine the legitimacy of the ballot box with a hare-brained affirmative action program for rednecks, people are going to have a hard time accepting the legitimacy of who seizes power after losing the vote by 3.5 million.

QuoteThe prime minister of nz said she is putting back the election a month because of a handful of covid cases with no blowback

The opposition in NZ wanted it delayed until even later, in November.

Quotebut when trump suggested something similar the narrative from the media is he's a dictator that won't leave  office , what evidence is there of that .

His own words when questioned about it by Fox News' Chris Wallace:

"I have to see. No, I'm not going to just say yes. I'm not going to say no, and I didn't last time either."

When did you last see a sitting US president even hint that they're not going to accept an election result?

QuoteThe 2020 election and the aftermath if trump wins  is going  to be a dangerous time for this country because the Democrats are not going to except (sic) another loss and are willing to do anything to get power , if he wins all hell will break loose and they want the public to know this in advance , the message is you bite him in we will burn it all down .

LOL! Trump is openly sabotaging the post office, openly saying it's to undermine postal voting, and you're bleating about the Democrats "doing anything to get in power?" Orwell has taught you well.
trump and his minions kidnapping mailboxes eh , I have 5 out the back of my house .
#1394
Quote from: glens73 on August 17, 2020, 05:27:32 PM
Michael Moore, putting a lot of effort into get Trump out, his latest Facebook post;


MY PLAN FOR HOW TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN ELECTION, TRUMP IS REMOVED, AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE GONE FOR GOOD
by Michael Moore

TRUMP HAS DECLARED WAR ON US AND OUR DEMOCRACY.

IT'S TIME FOR US TO PUT OUR LIVES ON THE LINE, IF NECESSARY, AND TO MAKE HIM THE LAST REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT OF OUR UNITED STATES.

Trump, right now, tonight, is up to some very nasty, scary stuff — stuff we can't even imagine — and of course we can't imagine it because we don't think like Trump. Our brains are wired for love, empathy, solidarity, compassion, freedom, person, woman, man, camera, TV.

You know like I know that Trump has a devious, wicked plan to destroy this Election. We need to declare, immediately, that it is he and the Republican Party who have to go, for the sake of this country's existence, they must be crushed and removed.

Trump actually has an arsenal of plans already in action to ensure he never leaves office. He has them all in high gear — some visible, some not. If you could see them all you'd be so stunned, you'd have to immediately convince yourself that there's no way he can pull this off.

We are all caught in Trump's Matrix, a mad web, the work of a psychopath-in-chief with tricks so devious that fascists of old, if alive today, would marvel at what Trump has accomplished.

For the next 11 weeks — and then for the 12 weeks between the Election and the Inauguration — Trump is planning nothing but anarchy, chaos, a call to arms of his angry white male followers and the complete destruction of our democracy. You think I'm kidding? You think I'm overstating the case? Do you want to take the risk that I might not be wrong? Most of you understandably chose not to listen to me four years ago when I warned you Trump was going to win the Presidency by taking Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. May I please ask that you now give me your serious attention for what I am about to say — because if I'm right again this time, there won't be a next time. There will be nothing left for me to warn you about. There probably won't be much left of me.

Here's how Trump plans to end our right to choose the next President and Congress. It will happen fast. I am also laying out here a battle plan for us to defeat this takeover of our democracy. We must act now.

HERE ARE TRUMP'S 5 PLANS ALREADY IN MOTION:

PLAN #1: Create Chaos. Instill Fear. Fire Up the Base with Racist Vigor. Pandemonium Ensues.
CHECK. DONE.

PLAN #2: Suppress the Vote
•Dismantle the Post Office.
•Create 4-Hour-Long Lines by Drastically Reducing Number of Polling Locations.
•Throw Black and Brown Voters Off the Rolls.
•Stop Those Who've Served Time from Voting.
•Place 50,000 "Poll Watchers" at Voting Sites Around the Country to Intimidate Voters.
VOTER SUPPRESSION IN ACTION AS WE SPEAK.

PLAN #3: Postpone the Election. Place the blame on a "legitimate" national tragedy or emergency  — massive deaths from the pandemic, a terrorist attack, an assassination, a deadly hurricane, a civil war in the streets, one or both Presidential candidates falling ill to Covid-19 —  anything that reasonable people, even people who are opposed to Trump, will agree that "we just can't hold an election right now! We just need to postpone it for a couple days, a couple weeks (a couple months... a couple years...)" Or perhaps he'll just cancel the Election outright and see if he can get away with it.
TRUMP READY TO PULL THE TRIGGER.

PLAN #4: His September Surprise.
His October Surprise.
His November Surprise.
His January Surprise.
You think you can guess what it will be, but trust me, it'll be far worse. We need to be ready. Stay on high alert, my friends. Millions of us will need to act on a moment's notice. It's the grim reaper of Democracy at our doorstep. We made the mistake of letting Trump get this far — why wouldn't he now think he can get away with everything??
THE SURPRISE IS UNKNOWN. THAT'S WHY IT'S A SURPRISE.

PLAN #5: He Will Not Leave.
When Trump loses, he will declare the Election invalid, rigged, stolen — and he will refuse to step down.

So, what will we do then?

HERE IS OUR BATTLE PLAN TO REMOVE TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS:

1. Do Not Wait — Biden/Harris Should Start Running the Country Now.
We simply don't have time to wait until January 20, 2021. Nearly 200,000 of us have already died from Trump's reckless incompetence with the coronavirus. By Election Day it's possible another 100,000 to 200,000 of us will have needlessly died. A total of 400,000 dead? That's the equivalent of one hundred and thirty-three 9/11s! Or 532 planes being flown into 532 buildings. If something that horrific ever happened, and the President not only didn't do anything about it, but tried to pretend it wasn't all that bad - "it is what it is" - he would be run out of the White House by an angry mob of millions of Americans, lucky not to have his head put on a spike on the Key Bridge over the Potomac.

It doesn't have to come to that. Biden and Harris should present to America a simple nationwide plan to end the pandemic — and then act on it immediately.

They should call a meeting of all the Governors and ask them what help do they need — and then find a way to get them that help, going around Trump and just making it happen. They should ask industry, in lieu of campaign contributions, to produce hundreds of millions of instant-result tests. They should call their Heads of State friends overseas and ask them to send all the PPE they can spare. They should get 250 million Americans to take the "Face Mask Pledge." And they should promise the scientists in our top universities all the money and help they need once they're in office. Ignore Trump. Treat him as if he's irrelevant and get the job done.

2. The Republican Party Must Be Crushed and Destroyed. Trump Must Become the Last Republican President.

   In the Michigan county where I live, the August primary this month set a record turnout for a presidential-year primary. In fact, more people this year voted by mail-in ballot than ALL those who voted in 2016 — by mail-in AND in-person combined. This is a highly encouraging sign for what we now need to do:
   • We must create an historic massive turnout between now and November 3rd — a tsunami of voters the likes of which have never been seen, and may never be seen again. In 2016, 66 million Americans voted for Hillary Clinton. This time, though, we have to WALLOP Trump with an electoral concussion, a blow so profound he won't know what hit him. This must be a defeat so crushing, so humiliating, a whooping of such epic proportions that he will be forced to leave 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue with his tail between his legs on January 20th. This mammoth landslide must not only ensure that no president ever behaves this way again, we need to see to it that Trump is the last Republican president. The Election Day Uprising must put an end to this party of Trump enablers and traitors. They had a choice. They chose Trump over Democracy. They chose Putin and Netanyahu over fair elections and freedom for all. They chose the 1% over the 160 million working Americans. They chose the NRA over the massacred children of Sandy Hook. They chose to rig our elections, our textbooks, our economy. Democrats helped them along the way, and we'll take the stick to them and fix that. The Republicans, though, chose to let hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens perish from Covid-19 because loyalty to Party and to Trump was greater than their duty to the American people. For that alone, the Republican Party must be put out of business for good. Vote out every last one of them. Conservatives will have to form a new party, much like when the Whigs were sent packing in the 1800s. The Republicans must pay for their crimes.

   • We must flip the Senate —- and not just by the three seats we need for control. We should shock the pundit class and, as the Republican Party is reduced to ashes, grab a solid 55+ seat majority. Colorado, Arizona, Maine, North Carolina, Georgia, Iowa, Montana and even Kansas, South Carolina and, yes, Texas (a state that is now 57% non-white) — are all possible Democratic Senate wins. Think about spending a weekend or a week helping out in one of these states. The Republicans will wish they had managed this pandemic better and had everyone busy back at work by now. All this "free time" should make for their undoing.

   • Finally, we have to vote the local Republicans out of office, too. State Houses and Senates will be drawing the electoral map for the next ten years. We can't let the cheating Republicans do this again. Do what you can to elect Dems in your state and local elections. The punishment of the Republican Party — a certified terrorist organization for having helped kill at least 200,000 Americans — is an imperative.


3. Who Would Be Willing To, If Need Be, Put Their Life on the Line To Ensure This Election Is Held and EVERYONE Gets to Vote? I Would. Would You?

   These steps must be taken immediately:
     • The Secret Service, the FBI, the Capitol Police and the Joint Chiefs of Staff must be called before Congress and swear under oath that they will guarantee that the election will be held, they will enforce the Constitution they swore to uphold, and if he's defeated but refuses to leave, they will escort the former President of the United States out of the White House.

     • Biden and Harris must put Trump on notice that if he does one more thing to interfere with the Election or issues one more threat to suppress the vote, they will turn him and his crime family over to the new Justice Department for prosecution.

     • Every single one of us must be strong in our publicly-stated resolve that there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON ON EARTH TO POSTPONE OR CANCEL THE ELECTION. That's our unmovable and intractable position. No national tragedy, disease, threat or the melting of all of Greenland will cause us not to vote on or before November 3rd. Even if, God forbid, either candidate passes in their sleep between now and Election Day, the Election will continue — and the winner's VP - or Nancy Pelosi - will become President on Inauguration Day.

     • Let's all pledge that, if Trump tries to cancel the election or if he refuses to accept its results, millions of us will go to DC and encircle the White House, a thousand deep, until he backs down, resigns or is removed.

   • And, if you can, quietly make this commitment to yourself: "There are only a very few things I'd be willing to give my life for. This is one of them." I know. That's dark. And heavy. And awfully sad because it shouldn't have come to this. But if we can't even say that, then what good are we? If we aren't willing to make that sacrifice, then America is already over and we might as well just fold our tent and see if Canada will take the non-racist, non-homophobic, non war-mongering ones of us who have manners and get satire.

4. Become an Election Defender.
   
   Each of you should form an urgent action group - a rapid response team - in your neighborhood or town and do the following:

     • Hold a daily protest at your local post office
     • Picket the home of your local Postmaster (he/she may be on your side, so bring them some baked goods)
     • Chain yourself to a local blue USPS dropbox if you can find one. Or chain it to something that won't move.
     • Sign up with the city clerk to be a poll worker on Election Day - especially if you're young. Because of the pandemic, polls will be very short of poll workers. If you're told they have enough help, then call the local Democratic Party and offer to be a "poll watcher", the group of people from each party who get to oversee the voting to make sure there are no irregularities.
     • Demand your city create more voting locations. Convince owners of arenas, theaters, ball parks, malls - places with large open spaces - to offer their facilities as polling places so that everyone gets a chance to vote.
     • Canvas your neighborhoods over the next month to get people to fill out the form you'll have them sign to get a mail-in ballot — and if they want to vote in person, let them know when the first day is so they can do that. Make a list of who needs a Covid-safe ride. The earlier the better!


5. The Uprising We're In Is Only Getting Bigger. The People Will Now Call the Shots.
   
   Why wait for the politicians to fix the mess of a country we're in when they helped orchestrate the mess in the first place? Why don't we just declare how we want to live — a new way to govern and function as a country — and we will finally fulfill the promise of the American Dream that has never been realized. Life, liberty, true equality, a sharing of the wealth, being good citizens of this world and kind stewards of a fragile Earth.

What have we learned from this pandemic? What we already knew: That employer-based health insurance can evaporate in an instant. Health care is a human right.

That being told "we can't afford that!" (free college, free child care, free medical care - the things most advanced nations have) is total BS — the government CAN afford anything we decide we need!

We've learned that teachers, nurses, the mailwoman, farm workers, mass transit drivers and the minimum wage workers stocking the grocery shelves at 3 in the morning are our most important citizens and they need the respect and income they deserve immediately.  74% of the country now believes a guaranteed annual income is a great idea — fifty percentage points higher than when Andrew Yang proposed it 7 months ago!

We've learned to slow down, consume less  — and that is what may be the path to saving the planet (when the 4% of its inhabitants [US] is no longer sucking up 25% of its resources and hoarding more than half its wealth).

We're about to go elect more women than ever before — a time to turn the reins over to the gender that stands a better chance of getting us through the deadly viruses of Covid, Capitalism and Republicans(R.I.P.).

None of this will be launched by politicians. It will only come about through you and me taking action as part of the largest protest movement in our history — still growing, still going strong! — to end the racism, the abuse of the police state, the disgusting income inequality and the hateful misogyny that is going to come to an end in our lifetime.

America, post-pandemic, must become a very different place. Let's make this happen. Doing the above will be the best cure for the trauma of these past four years.

Commit to being the change.
Organize your friends and family today.
Make your plan to campaign in a swing state Sept. or Oct.
VOTE AS EARLY AS YOU CAN—and take 5 people along with you!

We can do this. Trump - we're coming for you. I'll be in the first U-Haul truck that pulls up to your door.
the thing is the Democrats still haven't excepted the 2016 election results and they've been protesting sometimes violently since . The prime minister of nz said she is putting back the election a month because of a handful of covid cases with no blowback but when trump suggested something similar the narrative from the media is he's a dictator that won't leave  office , what evidence is there of that . The 2020 election and the aftermath if trump wins  is going  to be a dangerous time for this country because the Democrats are not going to except another loss and are willing to do anything to get power , if he wins all hell will break loose and they want the public to know this in advance , the message is you bite him in we will burn it all down .
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Quote from: J70 on August 17, 2020, 03:39:57 PM
Quote from: Gmac on August 17, 2020, 03:22:49 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 17, 2020, 03:13:54 PM
I don't think you would find too many reasonable people making a case FOR Trump

Unfortunately, what the Democrats have done (again!) is give people a reason to vote AGAINST them

I heard this morning that under Joe/Kamala's tax plan, a married couple making $78K would see their marginal rate double from 12% to 24%
joes lead down to 4 points according to abc poll this morning.
Hi

THIS ABC/Post poll released this morning has Biden up 11 points.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/post-abc-poll-shows-biden-harris-hold-double-digit-lead-over-trump-pence/2020/08/16/d5c9c312-dfe6-11ea-8dd2-d07812bf00f7_story.html

What poll are you referring to?
was on the abc news , good to see you survived the last week in nyc 75 shot 14 killed . Catching up on Chicago.