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GAA Discussion / Re: Division one 2021
« on: June 13, 2021, 11:22:46 PM »
Lets see what the championship brings although I've very little optimism.

Same boat here, have to support whatever happens but really not seeing where some massive transformation will come from at the minute, the results don't lie.
PJ didn't speak to the media afterwards either, a really, really poor look, I know this is a backbreaking loss but have to front up and own it, you're the man in charge.


He looked absolutely crushed at final whistle which is understandable,  but as you said, he's the manager and it's his job to come out and represent his team and defend them.
Having said that, i think ye might be a bit hard on him/the team.  They should have won that match, and i still think they may well win Connacht. They lost their nerve in final minutes of last year's connacht final and again today which must be a worry but they did a lot right up to then.
They wouldnt have a hope against Dublin in a semi final but sure there's very few, if any, that would.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Joe Brolly
« on: June 12, 2021, 07:32:40 AM »
Yeah it's the personal attacks. Let's not forget that's why he is out of RTE and he was warned. He wasn't a victim from one incident here.

The political stuff should have been separate and they didn't seem to seperate it mind you but I dunno what he wants to achieve here.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

It was primarily down to a change in the head of RTE sport and his change away from personality based pundits to more game based analysis. Has the standard of pundit on RTE improved since the new head came in, I donít think so. I watched the Ireland match last night and didnít tune into the analysis yet this used to often be the best entertainment of the night. Wondering what Dunphy and Giles would say and how Bill knew how to press their buttons.

I do get the fact that some people want stats based analysis and information on KPIs but if I want that type of information Iíll sign up for a coaching seminar. It just doesnít interest me.

This looks like the real reason he was sacked

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

"I don't think you can just cover it the same way you've always done. People want to learn more. It's simply not good enough to come out with the same scenarioÖ the old days were good, this is awful. "

Dublin's  hegemony is a huge problem for anyone selling ads linked to.sports coverage. TV sport is about drama and the all Ireland endgame doesn't have any..

Using that metric, Pat Spillane and Colm O'Rourke should be gone too then!

Exactly what I was thinking.  Spillane in particular should be gone on that basis.  The interesting thing about Brolly that McConville seemed to uncover was that he is capable of giving far more incisive analysis, but he chose not to do so. He worked on the basis that people tuned into to hear a yarn at half time and for a good portion of the population he was probably right. 

My view of Brolly is that once you accept him for what he is, he is quite enjoyable to listen to.  His rant on Cavanagh was really good TV and for the most part he was dead right about the cynicism.  He articulated it very well; the notion that they were celebrating but that they had achieved something rotten.  There was hyperbole, but it was worth it as the point needed to be made.  Can you imagine any other pundit saying it. 

I could live without Spillane as there was no-one else who pedaled the myth as much as him that it was better in the 70s like him.  Pure crap analysis. 

It's grand to have the detailed analysis of tactics and formulations.  However, its great to have someone to spark a debate. There's no harm in the devil's advocate.

Paddy Heaney once had a very accurate article in the Irish News about GAA attendances depending heavily on the average drinking man.  They aren't there to examine tactics and they aren't that committed.  They are there to enjoy themselves, have a day out, a few pints and roar on their team.  He talked about them being priced out the gate by rising ticket costs.  The average drinking man is probably sitting at home or in the pub, and isn't a bit worried about which team made the most unforced errors.  It's the likes of Brolly, Spillane etc that keeps these guys engaged.

Oisin made that point, but Brolly refuted it in the interview and I have to say I agree with Brolly on that.
Once you cut through the bluster and the "entertainment", Brolly gave some very good insights into the games. I think a lot of people couldn't see past Brolly the entertainer far enough to actually listen to the analyst.
Of course that's a problem for a pundit too, but to be fair to brolly IMO he was rarely too far off the mark in terms of analysis.
I actually find McConnville (and Canavan for that matter) really difficult to listen to due to their tone of voice. The bore the arse of me to be honest.

So, if you ignore the 90% of waffle, insults,  made-up stories, and demeaning of amateur players, you'll find he can make a point?
Well, couldn't we just listen to someone who doesn't spout 90% shite?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Joe Brolly
« on: June 07, 2021, 12:15:58 PM »
Makes sense. And if thatís the case with media, then Brolly would be in trouble every week in his columns.

Going on about I was talking to this Mayo/Dublin/Tyrone player, and he said X, Y and Z, when itís clearly obvious he didnít meet said player nor did they say XY or Z. He said similar in the Claire Byrne interview. Gaslighting as itís best.  Heís an absolute bullshitter.

That is a crazy post.

Your point is that Brollyís contribution to the Byrne show was similar to his claimed (real or imagined) with Mayo footballers. In what way was it similar?

You say it was gaslighting at its best. So who was he attempting to gaslight? How was he doing it? And what position where they being gaslit into adopting?

He said on CB he knows some Tory politicians that loathes Ulster Protestants. Which Tories? How many did you ask? Did he get the opinion of every tory politician? Do they hate every single Ulster Protestant? He continually does this sort of thing to reinforce his argument. So basically, this is not my opinion, itís the truth of many others as well (which Iíve made up), but gives more credence to what Iím saying.

He continually did this sort of thing on TSG and in his columns.

I could make up anything about say, supporters of a certain county. It could be a county I donít like anyway, and say something along the lines of .. ah sure theyíre all a bunch of b******s. And every time I go somewhere in Ireland, for work, travel, sport, etc..... anyone Iíve spoke to has also said, oh aye those f*****s! All a bunch of b*******s! ... so there you have it. Those countyís supporters are clearly a bunch of b*******s, everyone thinks so.

You could use that argument for any political commentator who ever refers to "sources" within political parties when stating a point.
Brolly saying that someone in what ever camp said something to him is as legitimate as Laura Keunssberg saying senior sources in the Tory part told her something. It's common practice and if every analyst or reporter did name their sources those same sources would soon dry up.

In so far as the Claire Byrne show, it seemed like Brolly was trying to set context to the comments Campbell had made earlier for those in ROI not already aware of the ilk of the man or the party he represents. CB didn't set that context and wouldn't allow Brolly to either which could mean the the viewers were left thinking the GC view of the situation in NI as being the common view, which obviously isn't the case. You could argue that CB/RTE had an agenda to portray a certain view with no balance.
What ever people think of Brolly, I don't believe anything he was saying on that topic was factually incorrect and there's plenty of evidence in the media to support that.

Would CB cut off a commentator who was raising comments about SF if there was no SF representative on the panel? I'm not sure she would, but who knows.

Whatever about whether Claire Byrne was right or wrong to cut him off (I was delighted personally!), I don't see what the legal claim could be, if the case relates to that incident at all.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Joe Brolly
« on: June 04, 2021, 11:18:32 PM »
95% of that article is irrelevant to the topic at hand. Heís box office, whether youíre for or against him.

Don't know how he can be box office when the only channel he's on is shutting down

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: May 19, 2021, 05:46:07 AM »
The most common side effects for all three drugs were fever and headache. Other reported adverse reactions included nausea, joint pain, and dizziness.
That report fails to mention an additional side-effect of the vaccine: Not dying.

we don't know enough about the long term side effects yet.  It's quite possible that a large percentage of those vaccinated may die.

 I'd go as so far as to say 100% of people vaccinated will die.

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GAA Discussion / Re: David Clifford to surpass the Gooch?
« on: May 16, 2021, 08:33:07 AM »
Great piece of composure but the defending for that goal was shocking for inter county level.

Yeah, it's a good goal. But there has to be context. Scoring a goal against an already humiliated defence?

What about the context of scoring 3-6 against a top 5 team?? By any metric Galway are one of the top 5 teams in the country so itís pretty impressive overall, he is class.

Will be interesting to see how this translates to the championship but he is probably the best forward on the country right now.

By any metric? They haven't won a game since pre Covid and have been hammered in several. Time to review your metrics.

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General discussion / Re: Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.
« on: May 06, 2021, 09:19:49 PM »
Well, well, well - Eoghan Harris has got the boot from the Sindo rag because of some twitter account he was involved in.
Im off to read what he was tweeting!

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1390400039089016838?s=19

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Good to see the the SDLP, and Matthew O'Toole in particular,  starting a reasoned conversation about what a United Ireland would look like. SF could learn from them, but they may not want to.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/belfast-agreement-not-a-postdated-cheque-for-irish-unity-1.4553658?mode=amp&__twitter_impression=true

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GAA Discussion / Re: Division one 2021
« on: May 02, 2021, 02:53:06 PM »
He has a remarkable hairline.

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GAA Discussion / Re: New GAA committee to review?
« on: April 29, 2021, 01:41:47 PM »
Given Pat Gilroy's display on The Sunday Game "discussion", I can't see much enlightened thinking emerging. He'll finger point and shout down anything that doesn't favour Dublin.
He said they should have more funding ffs

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General discussion / Re: Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.
« on: April 27, 2021, 11:59:54 AM »
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0427/1212323-david-byrne-murder/

Welcome back Angelo. I assume you're drafting your considered response to this?
Macker, are you on holidays?
Where is everyone?

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General discussion / Re: Is FF gone as a party?
« on: April 15, 2021, 12:51:16 PM »
If you think that the establishment parties do not get a much easier time of it compared to SF from the media you are deluded.
That's not what I said.

But there have been comments on this thread that FF and FG don't get criticised and that SF suffer only criticism.

In my opinion, the vast majority of people who hold this conspiracy theory of a view don't read the Irish Times and they don't watch current affairs programmes on RTE or TV3/Virgin, they don't watch Mary Lou being interviewed regularly on the Six-One news.

Instead they get their information from people who show them an instance of a SFer getting a hard time and/or an instance of someone from FG or FF getting a seemingly easy ride, and then they take that as carte blanche that FF and FG never get criticised! It's nonsense.
SF love supporters love this conspiracy. Us against the establishment.
I wouldnít say any party gets a free ride, but the ďestablishmentĒ parties get it much easier than SF for sure.

This "establishment" vs "anti-establishment" stuff is straight out of the Trump playbook.
SFs slogan will be "drain the bog" I suppose

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General discussion / Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« on: April 14, 2021, 09:39:16 AM »
Interesting viewpoint from a unionist - interesting to me anywway, as someone who would have practically no interaction with unionists

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/what-is-unionism-without-the-union-the-question-has-us-spooked-1.4536486?mode=amp&__twitter_impression=true

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General discussion / Re: The SDLP
« on: April 11, 2021, 11:16:22 PM »
Most people just say they are going to France or Spain or England.. who uses the term foreign?

Honestly MR2 it's nearly all that is used in Derry when taking about going to the continent for summer hols. Maybe just a Derry thing . " You going foreign this year" "naw Donegal again the year"

Canít remember the last time I heard it in fairness

Out of interest, why would someone from Derry go to Donegal on holidays? You wouldn't find many from Mayo going to Galway on their holidays for example!

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General discussion / Re: The SDLP
« on: April 11, 2021, 10:05:07 PM »
Most people just say they are going to France or Spain or England.. who uses the term foreign?

Sure "abroad" can mean the next field over. "He's abroad in the fort field" :)

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