Peter Canavan has stepped down as Fermangh senior manager at tonight's county board meeting.
He has a lot to learn tactically. The way Fermanagh were set up against Cavan in the Championship was very poor. Then an equally poor display in the Qualifier game in Breffni.
Fermanagh had a decent league campaign and were in with a chance of promotion going into the final round of the league against Meath in Navan. Although they beat a few teams like Cavan and Ross who weren't at full strength during the league.
Surprised hes gone. Fermanagh were in a bad place before Peter Canavan arrived.
Is Canavan gonna be the Roy Keane of nordie football?
If he's decided to go himself the question is which job next. Can't see him going out of ulster. Tyrone U21's ? Under mickey harte ? Possibly with a role to play at senior level ? I would love to see him alongside Mickey in Tyrone for a few years.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 02, 2013, 10:50:09 PM
If he's decided to go himself the question is which job next. Can't see him going out of ulster. Tyrone U21's ? Under mickey harte ? Possibly with a role to play at senior level ? I would love to see him alongside Mickey in Tyrone for a few years.
Sligo. Sure that's in Ulster, right?
We don't want him in Laois.
Even God couldn't do miracles in Fermanagh
The Fermanagh players will be disappointed he's gone. I know for a fact he increased the professionalism around the set up immensely. Fermanagh have a small pick and were in a v bad place before he took over. The improvement made in the strength and conditioning of the players was v impressive, people can say he only won the one cship game but you cant make a silk purse out of a sow's ear (No disrespect to Fermanagh). Hopefully this doesn't halt the progress of Fermanagh.
Quote from: TF15 on September 03, 2013, 12:54:20 AM
The Fermanagh players will be disappointed he's gone. I know for a fact he increased the professionalism around the set up immensely. Fermanagh have a small pick and were in a v bad place before he took over. The improvement made in the strength and conditioning of the players was v impressive, people can say he only won the one cship game but you cant make a silk purse out of a sow's ear (No disrespect to Fermanagh). Hopefully this doesn't halt the progress of Fermanagh.
This certainly seems to be the case.
I know a lot of the players were impressed with the 'professionalism' brought by Canavan, but professional or not, they won 1 championship game in 5 attempts which included 2 games against Cavan. He made bad tactical errors at key times in pretty much every championship game. The preparation may have been good, but his decisions during games left a lot to be desired.
The big problem for Fermanagh now will be getting someone to replace him.
Have there been any rumours of nominations so far?
Surprised to hear people feel he was tactically poor as he always came across very tuned in on TV. In saying that it can be very hard to see everything when you are on the line and involved in the game and I think a lot of ex-county players would be well served building up their experience at lower levels before going into senior management. Why do many CB's seem to believe that former IC players will make great IC managers?
Here is his statement
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In a statement issued late on Monday night, he said: "After lengthy and careful consideration I have today informed the Fermanagh County Committee Chairman that I will not be putting my name forward for the post of Senior Manager for the 2014 year.
"My management team and I have worked extremely hard over the past two years and we believe significant progress has been made.
"The senior footballers now representing their county are fully committed, unified and ambitious.
"With a clear vision and a united county committee I have no doubt that the players will respond in a positive manner."I want to thank my management team for their incredible efforts and sacrifices over the period I was in post and finally my sincere thanks are extended to the special group of players who I have worked with over the past two years. They are a credit to their families, clubs and county.
"The players' commitment, attitude, willingness to work and improve themselves deserves special mention. Also in dealing with very difficult and sad issues off the field they displayed maturity and outstanding loyalty to their team mate and friend.
"This group of players deserve the best and I hope moving forward the Fermanagh County Committee will ensure that this happens. I wish everyone who is genuinely concerned with Fermanagh football the very best of luck in the future."
Fermanagh GAA added: "Fermanagh County Committee thank Peter and his entire backroom team for all their hard work and commitment over the last two years and acknowledge the progress made in respect of their work with the county team.
"Peter took over the team at a very difficult time and during his period as manager worked extremely hard to develop a united panel of players leaving the county well placed to meet the challenges of county football in the years ahead.
"We wish Peter and all members of his backroom team every success for the future."
I think that Peter is taking a bit of a swipe.
Personally he has brought Fermanagh on from the London horror show.
As others have eluded to the players really bought into his style and his approach.
It was a very professional set up and we nearly got promoted to division 2.
But to be fair, he only brought them back to the level O'Rourke has them at previously.
Malachy got us to an Ulster final and won an Ulster Championship game every year he was in charge.
But he only won one back door game in 2 years. The first year you could forgive beacuse he was appointed so late.
But Fermanagh learnt nothing from our Ulster Championship defeat to Cavan this year.
We stuck to the same gameplan in the qualifier game and it failed again.
Tactically, he only had one plan. Ulster teams could suss our system pretty easy and knew how to counter it.
At times, he was very slow to make changes.
It will be interesting to see who we appoint.
2 huge appointments for Fermanagh in the next couple of weeks.
Gaa Development manager for the county and senior Manager.
Personally I would love to see Peter McGinnity get the senior job and Peter Donnelly the development job.
If the Fermanagh county board get these appointments wrong, Fermanagh football could be set back 10 years.
The facts are that at championship level in both club and county his results have been crap, three years with Errigal, they didn't get to a final never mind win one. The following year they won it with another manager, now that tells me alot. No doubt fermanagh were in poor shape before he came, but that was the county boards making, by with drawing finacial support to the manager at that time, which entirely put the county players menatal, due to the way they had been treated under O'Rourke, so there was only one way it could go. At the minute he looks like one of the great players who isn't going to make the step up to successful management.
Grimley take grimley :)
I have seen most of Fermanaghs league games and all of their championship games this year. I feel while Canavan has undoubtedly improved the teams, structure and numerous individuals he did have weaknesses i.e. tactical decision making.
That coupled with the fact that he was rumoured to be on a very decent financial package as well as the likely retirement of 4/5 players probably meant it was a convenient seperation for both parties.
Fermanagh need to pay attention to Cavan & Tyrones example and invest in youth.
Canavan took this team from mid table Div 4 to 3rd in Div 3 , so I say job well done. We struggled against Cavan, but did beat a soon to be Div 1 team. Fermanagh didn't seem to learn from the first day against Cavan, and Cavan did learn, however when it comes to the crunch, Cavan have better players. Canavan did seem to lack a bit of tactical awareness in some games, however his professionalism etc.. added greatly to the Fermanagh set up.
One major problem within the county is the youth setup. We really don't have any sort of decent youth policy. We have hardly won a game at minor and U-21's for years. We need to take a look at our neighbours in Cavan and use that as a blueprint.
I would have loved Canavan to stay as I have no confidence in the county board to select another manager. I fear we will go for the super cheap option or some mate of the selection panel.
Personally I would like us to either go with Peter McGinnity or a young up and coming manager from outside the county, however I suspect we will have an uninspired appointment, a raft of retirements and a return to Div 4, but i hope I am proved wrong.
Quote from: Fermanaghandsam on September 04, 2013, 09:18:11 AM
Personally I would like us to either go with Peter McGinnity or a young up and coming manager from outside the county, however I suspect we will have an uninspired appointment, a raft of retirements and a return to Div 4, but i hope I am proved wrong.
Lets be honest, whether its this year or next, those retirements are coming.
McGrath, Owens, McCluskey, Bogue, Gallagher, Breen, Sherry to name but a few.
Whenever those retirements happen, Fermanagh will struggle.
The other elephant in the room is Finance.
If the stories are to be believed, then we were spending serious money this year on our senor team management. With Sean no longer available, that sort of spend is no longer realistic for Fermanagh.
Club Eirne has lost some of there donors for a variety of reasons and the county board's idea of fund raising seems to be a levy that all clubs must pay.
Our county board is top heavy with old men who have been around for years.
There is no young blood coming through there.
The youth set up is a complete joke.
How we can go from having players that compete at the highest level in Ulster colleges football and then within 3 months get a stuffing at minor level?
Our U-21 record is a disgrace.
And we might yet see the three biggest towns in Fermanagh ( Enniskillen, Lisnaskea and Irvinestown) in division 2 next season.
There is a lot of work to be done
Finance is an issue as I assume it is with alot of county boards, but its the lack of young blood in the county board that is the real issue. Fermanagh County boards idea of fun raising is a draw or a club levy, they need to think outside the box if they want peoples hard earned money. Thankfully the players had the boxing this year which was different and raised alot of money I believe. The Kinawley club seem to be great at this and always have something new and exciting to raise money.
As said previously the youth setup is basically not there at all, the new development officer is a huge appointment that has to be made.
A county like Fermanagh has to put most of it's eggs into underage football. Small counties need to make the most of their resources and the only way to that is to focus on the kids coming through and make sure you turn them into the best footballers their talent and dedication allows.
Quote from: FermGael on September 04, 2013, 09:59:52 AM
The other elephant in the room is Finance.
If the stories are to be believed, then we were spending serious money this year on our senor team management. With Sean no longer available, that sort of spend is no longer realistic for Fermanagh.
Club Eirne has lost some of there donors for a variety of reasons and the county board's idea of fund raising seems to be a levy that all clubs must pay.
Our county board is top heavy with old men who have been around for years.
There is no young blood coming through there.
The youth set up is a complete joke.
How we can go from having players that compete at the highest level in Ulster colleges football and then within 3 months get a stuffing at minor level?
Our U-21 record is a disgrace.
And we might yet see the three biggest towns in Fermanagh ( Enniskillen, Lisnaskea and Irvinestown) in division 2 next season.
There is a lot of work to be done
The last time Fermanagh cut corners there they went from O'Rourke to O'Neill.
Quote from: LeoMc on September 04, 2013, 11:17:25 AM
The last time Fermanagh cut corners there they went from O'Rourke to O'Neill.
And that is the biggest fear, it will no doubt be the same men picking the manager as back then as well, because the county board hasn't changed in god knows how long.
Fermanagh need to get competitive at underage, its a slow process but without it ye will go no where. Throwing money at senior managers will not help. I'd personally love to see ye come good but it looks like at 6-8 yr project if its done right.
Gaelic Life is linking McStay with the job today
Quote from: FermGael on September 05, 2013, 12:18:44 PM
Gaelic Life is linking McStay with the job today
What would Fermanagh fans think of Mc Stay?? I would guess he would require big money. Was Canavan on big money himself?
Finance is an issue with Fermanagh and then being linked with Kevin McStay. Makes a lot of sense.
As stated by some previous posters Fermanagh need to concentrate its resources on development squads and underage teams. Canavan done a decent job with the players available to him and unless they get a golden generatin coming along together Fermanagh are always going to struggle to compete for provincial success.
How many clubs are there in Fermanagh?
20 clubs and at the minute a few of them would be struggling with numbers
Be front runner for tyrone under 21 job now i would say
Canavan did a good job in Fermanagh. He stabilised them and they're amongst the best sides in division three.
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on September 05, 2013, 07:07:01 PM
Be front runner for tyrone under 21 job now i would say
Think that myself and would be a great link man between U21s and senior management.
Canavan jumped before he was pushed. I heard yesterday that he was being given further time but that there would be a considerable reduction in his 'expenses.' Canavan didn't like this and decided to go. He didn't think much for Fermanagh when he described them in IR yesterday as always being a short term project. Just in it for the money methinks and by all accounts he got plenty of that. I really dont believe he brings anything other than a big ego and a big reputation, as a player, to any team. He has alot to learn. I watched him sitting in the stand in the All Ireland Vocational Schools final when his team was crying out for his presence along the line and he's sitting like the big I AM in the stand. He came down for the last 10 minutes but it was all over. To me he comes across as an arrogant wee toss, as a player he had few equals but as a manager he is extremely average.
Any chance he might end up in Kildare? Probably one of the few counties who can afford him.
Quote from: Line Ball on September 08, 2013, 09:43:17 AM
Canavan jumped before he was pushed. I heard yesterday that he was being given further time but that there would be a considerable reduction in his 'expenses.' Canavan didn't like this and decided to go. He didn't think much for Fermanagh when he described them in IR yesterday as always being a short term project. Just in it for the money methinks and by all accounts he got plenty of that. I really dont believe he brings anything other than a big ego and a big reputation, as a player, to any team. He has alot to learn. I watched him sitting in the stand in the All Ireland Vocational Schools final when his team was crying out for his presence along the line and he's sitting like the big I AM in the stand. He came down for the last 10 minutes but it was all over. To me he comes across as an arrogant wee toss, as a player he had few equals but as a manager he is extremely average.
Any chance he might end up in Kildare? Probably one of the few counties who can afford him.
Oh dear. Did he drop you? ;D
Quote from: EC Unique on September 08, 2013, 10:27:11 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on September 08, 2013, 09:43:17 AM
Canavan jumped before he was pushed. I heard yesterday that he was being given further time but that there would be a considerable reduction in his 'expenses.' Canavan didn't like this and decided to go. He didn't think much for Fermanagh when he described them in IR yesterday as always being a short term project. Just in it for the money methinks and by all accounts he got plenty of that. I really dont believe he brings anything other than a big ego and a big reputation, as a player, to any team. He has alot to learn. I watched him sitting in the stand in the All Ireland Vocational Schools final when his team was crying out for his presence along the line and he's sitting like the big I AM in the stand. He came down for the last 10 minutes but it was all over. To me he comes across as an arrogant wee toss, as a player he had few equals but as a manager he is extremely average.
Any chance he might end up in Kildare? Probably one of the few counties who can afford him.
Oh dear. Did he drop you? ;D
No, just my opinion on what I see and hear about him.
I heard the players had a lot of time for him and the level of professionalism he brought that had never been seen in Fermanagh before.
Quote from: EC Unique on September 08, 2013, 11:03:40 AM
I heard the players had a lot of time for him and the level of professionalism he brought that had never been seen in Fermanagh before.
I have no doubt that he would be professional but he is a results driven game and apart from promotion from 4-3, he didn't achieve much and his team going 26 minutes v Cavan without scoring doesn't say much for the way he set up the team. While the players had alot of time for him, I believe he wasn't a hands on manager on the pitch. He'll be remembered for uniting Fermanagh but not for much more.
Getting the team to a high level professionalism was surely a priority given the money he was getting.
Gaelic life are saying that Gearoid Adams is interested.
What has he done to warrant a mention?
Quote from: EC Unique on September 08, 2013, 11:03:40 AM
I heard the players had a lot of time for him and the level of professionalism he brought that had never been seen in Fermanagh before.
correct....conditioned to the max ;)
(http://fermanaghherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Sean-Quigley--e1368201057252.jpg)
Quote from: hardstation on September 12, 2013, 11:31:39 AM
Quote from: FermGael on September 12, 2013, 11:16:32 AM
Gaelic life are saying that Gearoid Adams is interested.
What has he done to warrant a mention?
You haven't heard of the success he has had at club level in Antrim?
He got St. Johns a brand new black jersey, breaking from their traditional blue & white. He also instigated the delivery of brand new half-zip training tops for members of their squad.
He has done a fantastic job with the Whiterock men and would be a great catch for any county whose gear is looking a bit shabby.
Fermanagh won't have enough money for new gear, so Adams won't be considered.
Quote from: hardstation on September 12, 2013, 11:31:39 AM
Quote from: FermGael on September 12, 2013, 11:16:32 AM
Gaelic life are saying that Gearoid Adams is interested.
What has he done to warrant a mention?
You haven't heard of the success he has had at club level in Antrim?
He got St. Johns a brand new black jersey, breaking from their traditional blue & white. He also instigated the delivery of brand new half-zip training tops for members of their squad.
He has done a fantastic job with the Whiterock men and would be a great catch for any county whose gear is looking a bit shabby.
What were Canavan's managerial credentials prior to taking the Fermanagh job? A PE teacher coaching a school football team and his club.
Adams'? A PE teacher coaching a school football team and his club?
Is the above correct?
Quote from: J OGorman on September 12, 2013, 11:23:27 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on September 08, 2013, 11:03:40 AM
I heard the players had a lot of time for him and the level of professionalism he brought that had never been seen in Fermanagh before.
correct....conditioned to the max ;)
(http://fermanaghherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Sean-Quigley--e1368201057252.jpg)
It looks like Old Trafford on a Champions League night in that pic.
Looks like things are about to go nuclear in Fermanagh.
http://www.impartialreporter.com/news/roundup/articles/2013/09/30/402467-further-turmoil-for-fermanagh-gaa--as-funding-group-reassesses-support/Quote
Further turmoil for Fermanagh GAA as funding group 'reassesses' support
Club Éirne alleges they are victims of 'campaign of vilification and criticism'
Only weeks after losing team manager Peter Canavan, Fermanagh GAA has been plunged into further crisis as funding group Club Eirne has said that it will be reassessing its role following what they allege is a "campaign of vilification and criticism against it".
Crucially, the group which was formed eight years ago and raised annually either side of £100,000 has not said directly that it will be ceasing to exist but it will be reassessing their support of the county board.
Crucially though they also say that they will be leaving "the field open to our critics to replace that generosity".
Moreover, the statement makes it quite clear that this campaign against the group has come from on high, alleging that two members of the current county executive and former members of that executive have been involved in the campaign of criticism that has left them with no option but to withdraw their support.
Great stuff all together. Both Club Eirne and the county board behaving like a crowd of children. Blame on both sides and the only loser in all this will be Fermanagh football.
The same crap happened 2 years ago. Cannot believe this is where we are at.
Too many egos, not enough long term planning.
It's just a pity that they cannot work together for the good of Fermanagh GAA.
If all else fails,Fermanagh GAA can sell a bit of land to Jim Allister
Quote from: T Fearon on September 30, 2013, 09:32:37 PM
If all else fails,Fermanagh GAA can sell a bit of land to Jim Allister
He can have the Fermanagh Training grounds if he wants, they are rarely used, and any offer probably accepted. But it is on top of a mountain, hard to get too and always wet and windy. Worst investment ever by Fermanagh county board.
Quote from: Fermanaghandsam on October 01, 2013, 12:29:45 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 30, 2013, 09:32:37 PM
If all else fails,Fermanagh GAA can sell a bit of land to Jim Allister
He can have the Fermanagh Training grounds if he wants, they are rarely used, and any offer probably accepted. But it is on top of a mountain, hard to get too and always wet and windy. Worst investment ever by Fermanagh county board.
Sounds like the new Garvaghy centre, yes it's all top class, but it's on top of a mountain, always wet and windy
Hows McCabe getting on with Enniskillen?