I knew nothing about the racist story till now. Its totally out of order if its true. Some incidents in the drawn game were uncalled for, but something like that is totally out of order, if its apparently true.
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Show posts MenuQuote from: trileacman on October 12, 2012, 06:48:18 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on October 12, 2012, 05:31:53 PMQuote from: trileacman on October 12, 2012, 01:18:17 PMQuote from: magpie seanie on October 12, 2012, 12:49:16 PMQuote from: trileacman on October 11, 2012, 06:10:41 PMQuote from: Crete Boom on October 11, 2012, 04:33:47 PMQuote from: tommysmith on October 11, 2012, 03:02:27 PM
Slightly better but no longQuoteQuoteStarting XI v Germany - Westwood, Coleman, O'Shea, O'Dea, Ward, McCarthy, Andrews, Fahey, McGeady, Walters, Cox
Well at least it's getting a bit better by accident. All we need know is for cox and ward to get injured then you might be lucky and get Long and Wilson in. That would be pretty close to our best team although I would still have Ciaran Clarke in at centre back ahead of O'Dea!
Coleman and Clark have been poor anytime i've seen them play recently. To be fair that's maybe the best Trap can do with the options we have today.
Next man who slates Trap's selection should put up his own 11 to we see what untold brilliance we are missing out on.
Ara cop yourself on. Do you seriously think all the players that are missing would be unavailable if the manager was semi sane?
Like Stan? Like Kerr? Like McCarthy? Who was the last Irish manager you thought done a good job? Trap is one the most decorated managers in European football, he brought us to our first European championship in 20 years, our first championships in over 10 years and all with a squad many people would agree is the weakest Irish selection since the mid-eighties. But sure f**k all that, he's a "semi-sane" bollix who's f**king us up.
I have to laugh at some of the comments here. Leaving Doyle out is poor management?? He's been disastrous for club and country going on two years. Before the Kazakhstan match, when was the last time he scored? When was his last good game? He was a disaster at the Euro's and people were rightly calling for him to make way, Trap didn't and he was declared a bollix who knows nothing about football by a crowd of keyboard warriors, journeymen and hacks. So now he drops him for the next match and suddenly he's wrong again for leaving such an Irish goal-scoring machine out of the side. FFS.
Name these "players that are missing who would be available if the manager was semi sane". Or are you just gonna answer with another question. Kelly should be in the side and probably someone other than O'Dea, that aside we have no wonder horse that would drastically change the side. The Irish midfield is so weak that we have to play 5 across and one up front, a role more suited to Walters than Long.
So nobody can have an opinion on Trappatoni but you ? Ireland haven't had a big name manager since Jack Charlton. Charlton wasn't even a big name in the international management game like Trap, I was too young to remember that era. The past few managers, McCarthy , kerr, were not big international names in football management. Kerr had a good record underage.
Why would we not expect more from a manager with Trappatoni's record. He has managed Italy, big name clubs ect, Do you think relying on dvds in Italy is good management? Do you think saying he will call up Damian Duff a week after he retired is good management, or saying Shay Given was staying on and the next day he retires? Bringing Kevin Foley to a training camp in Italy before the euro's and then telling him he won't be going, Paul McShane would...
If Doyle deserved to be dropped against Kazackhstan, do you think Robbie Keane starting was justfied or Shane Long sitting on the bench
"So nobody can have an opinion on Trappatoni but you."
Quote me where I said that then I'll reply to the rest of that shite.
You didn't need to Quote it.
Quote from: trileacman on October 12, 2012, 01:18:17 PMQuote from: magpie seanie on October 12, 2012, 12:49:16 PMQuote from: trileacman on October 11, 2012, 06:10:41 PMQuote from: Crete Boom on October 11, 2012, 04:33:47 PMQuote from: tommysmith on October 11, 2012, 03:02:27 PM
Slightly better but no longQuoteQuoteStarting XI v Germany - Westwood, Coleman, O'Shea, O'Dea, Ward, McCarthy, Andrews, Fahey, McGeady, Walters, Cox
Well at least it's getting a bit better by accident. All we need know is for cox and ward to get injured then you might be lucky and get Long and Wilson in. That would be pretty close to our best team although I would still have Ciaran Clarke in at centre back ahead of O'Dea!
Coleman and Clark have been poor anytime i've seen them play recently. To be fair that's maybe the best Trap can do with the options we have today.
Next man who slates Trap's selection should put up his own 11 to we see what untold brilliance we are missing out on.
Ara cop yourself on. Do you seriously think all the players that are missing would be unavailable if the manager was semi sane?
Like Stan? Like Kerr? Like McCarthy? Who was the last Irish manager you thought done a good job? Trap is one the most decorated managers in European football, he brought us to our first European championship in 20 years, our first championships in over 10 years and all with a squad many people would agree is the weakest Irish selection since the mid-eighties. But sure f**k all that, he's a "semi-sane" bollix who's f**king us up.
I have to laugh at some of the comments here. Leaving Doyle out is poor management?? He's been disastrous for club and country going on two years. Before the Kazakhstan match, when was the last time he scored? When was his last good game? He was a disaster at the Euro's and people were rightly calling for him to make way, Trap didn't and he was declared a bollix who knows nothing about football by a crowd of keyboard warriors, journeymen and hacks. So now he drops him for the next match and suddenly he's wrong again for leaving such an Irish goal-scoring machine out of the side. FFS.
Name these "players that are missing who would be available if the manager was semi sane". Or are you just gonna answer with another question. Kelly should be in the side and probably someone other than O'Dea, that aside we have no wonder horse that would drastically change the side. The Irish midfield is so weak that we have to play 5 across and one up front, a role more suited to Walters than Long.
Quote from: Itchy on October 12, 2012, 10:43:35 AMQuote from: rodney trotter on October 12, 2012, 10:10:49 AM
Yeah McGovern is over age, this was his last year u21.
Connor Smith was poor against Donegal, and I thought it was Clarke and Shankey who made Smith look beter than he was last year with the Minors in the full back line. He is playing with Killeshandra Juniors now.
Gerard Smith from Lavey should make it onto the team, classy player, probaly one of the better Minors against Donegal and was very good in the Minor Club final last week
I'm from the same Parish and the truth is that he declared half way through the season that he wasn't going to play football anymore. He played junior as it suited him to do so. However, I thought he was outstanding for the minors the year they won ulster and I think you are doing him a dis-service saying that he was carried by the others. Last year McCabe made a brainless decision leaving him at FB on a player much taller than him, that was obvious from the throw in. He is a small corner back with serious potential but his attitude is in question. If he doesn't man up and commit to football he'll just be another in a long line of wasters produced by cavan.
Quote from: Itchy on October 12, 2012, 10:47:13 AMQuote from: rodney trotter on October 12, 2012, 10:23:15 AMQuote from: Itchy on October 12, 2012, 09:31:46 AMQuote from: rodney trotter on October 11, 2012, 10:29:52 AM
To get the first game away again is a disaster, Antrim hammered Cavan in the final league game last year, I don't think they would hammer Cavan again but they are very hard to beat in Belfast. They will have to risk a few u21's in the league next year, no point sticking them in the deep end playing a Championship match without any league football.
Now its hardly a disaster playing Antrim away is it?
To get up we would need 4 wins minimum. We would have to win our home games against Fermanagh and Monaghan, neither easy. Maybe away to Antrim and Wicklow could be the other 2. While there are no easy games I wouldn't be afraid of any team in it. Id like to see what players are on the panel for next season.
Championship draw is not to bad either but would like to avoid the preliminary round as even if you win your next opponent gets a chance to have watched you in action.
Eh yeah, I would say it is a disaster playing Antrim away. .. To start off the league you would usually want a home game first, They hammered Cavan in the last game of the league last year, they were without a few key players that day. Can't see Cavan being as bad again, but they will be confident of beating Cavan again. Obviously Cavan will be up for that game but its far from easy.
Cavan are very lucky to be not to be playing in Division 4 next year, take one game at a time.
Not trying to start a feud with ya mate but in the grand scheme of this group surely Antrim would not be rated that highly. In order of quality id have
Meath
Monaghan
Sligo
Roscommon
Antrim
Wicklow
Fermanagh
So what I am saying is a "disaster" would have been away to Meath or Monaghan to start with. I agree you want to get off to a winning start so hopefully we can do that.
Quote from: Westside on October 12, 2012, 01:00:55 PMQuote from: Itchy on October 12, 2012, 10:43:35 AMQuote from: rodney trotter on October 12, 2012, 10:10:49 AM
Yeah McGovern is over age, this was his last year u21.
Connor Smith was poor against Donegal, and I thought it was Clarke and Shankey who made Smith look beter than he was last year with the Minors in the full back line. He is playing with Killeshandra Juniors now.
Gerard Smith from Lavey should make it onto the team, classy player, probaly one of the better Minors against Donegal and was very good in the Minor Club final last week
But Neil McGee was carreid by Donegal last year westside? Got an All Star and wil get one this year...
I'm from the same Parish and the truth is that he declared half way through the season that he wasn't going to play football anymore. He played junior as it suited him to do so. However, I thought he was outstanding for the minors the year they won ulster and I think you are doing him a dis-service saying that he was carried by the others. Last year McCabe made a brainless decision leaving him at FB on a player much taller than him, that was obvious from the throw in. He is a small corner back with serious potential but his attitude is in question. If he doesn't man up and commit to football he'll just be another in a long line of wasters produced by cavan.
Agree with that, I don't think he was made look good by any means. Especially in that Ulster Final where he won his individual battle very well and continually dispossessed his man or beat him to the ball and looked strong and tenacious. Leaving him on Donegal's dangerman in the Minor game this year was suicide by McCabe and was the main reason we lost the game. The Donegal Full forward was far taller, anybody could see that he was liable to get caught contesting a high ball.
Disappointing that he's not committed and if that is his attitude at that age then that Minor Ulster medal will be his last at county level. Each to their own I suppose.
Quote from: Itchy on October 12, 2012, 09:31:46 AMQuote from: rodney trotter on October 11, 2012, 10:29:52 AM
To get the first game away again is a disaster, Antrim hammered Cavan in the final league game last year, I don't think they would hammer Cavan again but they are very hard to beat in Belfast. They will have to risk a few u21's in the league next year, no point sticking them in the deep end playing a Championship match without any league football.
Now its hardly a disaster playing Antrim away is it?
To get up we would need 4 wins minimum. We would have to win our home games against Fermanagh and Monaghan, neither easy. Maybe away to Antrim and Wicklow could be the other 2. While there are no easy games I wouldn't be afraid of any team in it. Id like to see what players are on the panel for next season.
Championship draw is not to bad either but would like to avoid the preliminary round as even if you win your next opponent gets a chance to have watched you in action.