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GAA Discussion / Re: Congress
« on: October 20, 2021, 05:46:33 PM »

So lets be honest about the proposals and what they will establish. This will result in the cementing of a small number of counties to elite status.

Small / weaker counties will just have to focus on a secondary competition that will not generate any fanfare, unless you boot the minor final away from All Ireland final day and have the "A & B " final on the same day. But will that help the development of the games?

Lets also be clear, that one of the core foundations that drove the popularity of the GAA is over, the provincial championships. In time, we will lose the days out in Clones, the Derry - Tyrone, Armagh - Down, Armagh -Tyrone derby games will be lessened  and we will have one less meaningful competition to play for.

Lastly, county football is representative elite level sport. If your not up to the standard, then its up to the county board to fix it.

I see noting wrong with a ranking system, based on 1 - League, 2 provincial championships. Range the teams from 1 to 32, with play offs with the lower ranked teams to get the 32'nd spot. Then have an all ireland championship, straight knockout, no backdoor.

It will provide the div 1 teams the benefit of playing in the higher league, and the weaker teams still have a shot of playing the big boys in an knockout.

FA cup works well, and the smaller teams all focus on getting to the 4th or 5th round when the big teams join. NCAA basket ball works well when the smaller colleges get a shot at the big boys in March madness.

Anything where the competition is ring fenced to the strong counties, will create problems down the road, just as the backdoor system did
Have you read Proposal B?
You seem to completely misunderstand it.
For example, Leitrim who have no chance of winning Connacht, now have a realistic chance of getting to the All Ireland knockout stages by winning Div 4, or even Div 3 with a bit of progression. They still get to play Connacht, albeit they'll still get beaten out the gate, but after that they'll get 7 competitive summer games against similar level opponents and at least the opportunity for progression. There's no system that makes Leitrim All Ireland challengers, but at least Proposal B gives their players a reason to play. Hence the reason Leitrim management and players are strongly in favour.
The Connacht competition under the current proposal B is the FBD. They won that competition in 2013,2014 and it didn't do a lot to improve them nor has the NFL 7 games with similar level opponents.

If running with a league format for the championship HQ should look at bringing back the Div 1A 1B, 2A, 2B format.

GAA Discussion / Re: Congress
« on: October 20, 2021, 05:14:30 PM »

Overseas votes UK, Canada, Australia, Asia etc have 34

These should not be allowed vote or even attend a meeting concerned with the structure of the game in Ireland.

Debatable alright. The majority of overseas votes are expected to vote in favour of Proposal B.

GAA Discussion / Re: Congress
« on: October 20, 2021, 04:31:07 PM »
The number of votes each county gets at Saturdays congress.

Carlow 2
Dublin 5
Kildare 3
Kilkenny 2
Laois 3
Longford 2
Louth 2
Meath 3
Offaly 2
Westmeath 3
Wexford 3
Wicklow 2
Galway 4
Leitrim 2
Mayo 3
Roscommon 2
Sligo 2
Clare 3
Cork 5
Kerry 4
Limerick 4
Tipperary 4
Waterford 3
Antrim 3
Armagh 3
Cavan 2
Derry 2
Donegal 2
Down 3
Fermanagh 2
Monaghan 2
Tyrone 3

Overseas votes UK, Canada, Australia, Asia etc have 34

Central Council 52 votes and 7 for former presidents

As I said a number of weeks ago I'd be surprised if Proposal B isn't voted in and I don't expect to be surprised. Larry McCarthy when giving his endorsement today talked about tweaking the glaring flaws, I'd wonder will such tweaks be discussed on the floor before voting?

General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 19, 2021, 10:49:11 PM »
of those in ICU 65% are unvaccinated.


TBH - thats not great. Whats the vaccination rates in the ROI? They'd need to be well north of 90% for a number as low as 65% to be reassuring!
89% fully vaccinated for everyone over the age of 12. Plenty of countries aren't going to get close to that percentage of its population vaccinated and the ROI figure isn't going to get much higher.

GAA Discussion / Re: County Manager Merry go round
« on: October 19, 2021, 04:51:23 PM »
Not technically a manager but announced this evening that Cian O’Neill has joined Padraic Joyce’s backroom team as coach.

Another man who’s stealing a living on the circuit.
I’d put him in the same bracket as Poacher and tally.
Complete bluffers but some county/club always fool enough to take them on, irrespective of traci record of continued failure.
In O'Neill case he was involved in Kerry and Tipperary football and hurling All Ireland success. Poacher played his part in getting the best out of Carlow remains to be seen if he's suited to Roscommon

The one year Tally was with Galway they reached the All-Ireland semi final and NFL final, Galway best year for some time.

GAA Discussion / Re: Congress
« on: October 19, 2021, 12:37:35 AM »
Former GAA president John Horan calls for two-year trial of Proposal B from 2023

Horan used an online meeting of county chairs on Monday evening, convened to discuss financial aspects of the proposal, to set out his position, calling for a two-year trial in 2023 and 2024 with any tweaks to be made between now and Congress next February.

In the meantime, the 2022 championship would revert to the status quo with qualifiers, straight knockout quarter-finals and the Tailteann Cup.

Horan, who put the Fixtures Calendar Review Task Force in place that came up with the two proposals, as well as a raft of other motions for change around fixtures including the split season, is also understood to have made the case for Proposal A, four provincial groups of eight that would involve preliminary losers in one province moving to another, to be withdrawn ahead of Saturday due to lack of support.

The decision not to reconvene the Task Force in the run up to Congress and effectively leave the motions for change without a guiding body has also been a source of criticism. Horan has not spoken publicly about the proposals since leaving office in February and opted to use the forum of a gathering of chairmen to put across his opinion.

GAA Discussion / Re: Retirements
« on: October 18, 2021, 05:57:40 PM »
Kerry's Tommy Walsh has announced his retirement from inter-county football.

Won two All-Ireland senior medals in 2007 and 2009, All-Ireland U21 winner in 2008. Played AFL with St Kilda and Sydney Swans before returning to Kerry senior ranks.

GAA Discussion / Re: TG4 - Club Championships Coverage
« on: October 18, 2021, 04:10:28 PM »
It was about as off the ground as the pick up was for Peter Canavan's point in 95...

Very enjoyable game.

Some mount of shite in the rule book too

1.2 When the ball is on the ground, it may be played by any part of the body except the hand(s). It may be lifted off the ground with the feet.


(i) The goalkeeper may play the ball on the ground with his hand(s) inside his own small rectangle.

(ii) Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground, and may score by so doing.

(iii) The ball may not be lifted off the ground with the knees.

The Mohill player wasn't in possession so a penalty should have been called? Have regularly seen play waved on when players picks the ball off the ground with their knees. The lack of consistency remains

GAA Discussion / Re: TG4 - Club Championships Coverage
« on: October 17, 2021, 09:05:24 PM »
15 for Ballinamore is Tom Prior.
Keith Bournemouth Centre forward for Mohill a quality player
Keith Beirne.

GAA Discussion / Re: TG4 - Club Championships Coverage
« on: October 17, 2021, 05:13:31 PM »
Decent quality Leitrim final. Mohill 0-10 Ballinamore 0-9 at half time. The TG4 camera mant has a big focus on Andy Moran in the crowd.

Class game!

Wayne Mckeon is an absolute baller

Yes a very good contest, TG4 correct in their decision to cover it.

Ballinamore Leitrim champs for the first time since 1990. 1-16 to 0-17.

GAA Discussion / Re: TG4 - Club Championships Coverage
« on: October 17, 2021, 04:20:07 PM »
Decent quality Leitrim final. Mohill 0-10 Ballinamore 0-9 at half time. The TG4 camera mant has a big focus on Andy Moran in the crowd.

GAA Discussion / Re: Retirements
« on: October 16, 2021, 11:11:56 PM »
Johnny Duane Galway.

Turns 30 on Monday, made his senior debut against Mayo in the semi-finals of the Connacht championship in 2011 – the same year he won an All-Ireland U21 title after the Tribesmen defeated Cavan at Croke Park.

He captain Galway minors in 2008 and also represented New York in the Connacht SFC in 2016. Two years later, the St James clubman would be back in the maroon of Galway as they captured the JJ Nestor Cup after defeating the Rossies at Dr Hyde Park.

His last appearance for his county came against Mayo in this year’s Connacht final at Croke Park, where he came on as a late substitute.

General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 14, 2021, 11:35:28 AM »
We were never going to get 100% vaccinated,  to get 90% adults vaccinated in mid October has probably already exceeded expectations for the government and NPHET

Context is needed on current case loads. What is current ages is there target testing going on in schools and college. On hospital numbers how many picked up the virus there when in for something else.

Journalists have gone to town with Martins no guarantee that October 22nd easing of restrictions will go ahead as planned comment even though his other colleagues when asked said it should go ahead.

As ever the government will decide on the advice of medical and  other experts and will study the data in front of them at next weeks meeting. What should be taken into account is we are a long way off to what the NPHET protections said we'd be right now and this isn't the same as last year when we entered winter with nobody vaccinated.

GAA Discussion / Re: Congress
« on: October 13, 2021, 08:45:30 PM »
No matter what the outcome in Congress with an AI Final on 17th July an awful lot of games will have to be held in April/May.
E.G if we end up with the 2017 system
17th July AIF
2/3 July AISFs
18/19 June AI Qtr Fs
4/5 June Round involving Provincial losing Finalists.
20/21 May Provincial Finals plus Qualifier Round.
6/7 May Provincial SFs.
April - Provincial prelims and Qtr Finals.
Add in Hurley stuff plus Minors, u20s....

This more than likely will be the outcome in my opinion. But if Proposal B does go through, what dates will the games be played? Will the provinces have varying dates for their own standalone competitions?

Likewise Proposal A, anybody got the dates for the games under this proposal?

For proposal B the Provincial pre season league competitions would be played in February and March in every province.

The seven game league/championship starts in April. Play offs for the 3rd,4th best in Div 2 v Div 3,4 winners played in June along with All Ireland quarter finals. The All-Ireland final will be played July 16th/17th regardless of what format we have next year.

GAA Discussion / Re: County Manager Merry go round
« on: October 13, 2021, 05:51:09 PM »
Keith Ricken is set to take over the Cork senior footballers after a five-person selection committee recommended that the county executive propose his appointment on a two-year term.

Ricken, who will need to be confirmed at a full county board meeting, managed the Rebels' U20s to the All-Ireland title in 2019 and a second Munster crown this year. He also led Cork IT to their sole Sigerson Cup success in 2009.


I think Ricken could turn out to be a very good appointment. Cork have been one of the most if not the most underachieving teams in Ireland for the last number of years.

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