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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 20, 2021, 09:47:35 AM »
The building industry is self regulated in the republic, no nsai audits or policing of products to meet minimum accept quality criteria. Therefore the tax payer will be liable for full redress of the re-build of thousands of homes in Donegal (affected by mica) to the tune of 3 billion euro plus.
Same applies to the Covid certs. Leo Varadkar expects me to ask a pub why they let me into their facility without producing a proof of Covid Vaccination Cert. Whats the point in asking for certs if the matter is not going to be policed by an independent body. The government in the republic have handled things poorly too. We always had a winter health crisis regarding hospitals & availability of ICU beds, the unvaccinated are the fall guys these days.

By the way whats the story in the North, do they ask for Covid Certs when dinning indoors?

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 18, 2021, 11:23:14 AM »
But also one fool in Mater Belfast does not tarnish the actual medical experts.

Rudi, you are placing a lot of emphasis on the viral load. While it's disappointing, the main point about it is that it just means vaccinated still have to be careful with social distancing etc.
It doesn't improve the position of the unvaccinated. An unvaccinated person is still more likely to pass on Covid, because an unvaccinated person is more likely to catch Covid. You can't pass it on until you get it, and you significantly reduce your chances of getting it by being jabbed.

I get that Hound, I'm not anti vaccination. However I was lead to believe that the un unvaccinated carried greater viral loads than the vaccinated. This was the story from Luke O Neill & the boys in Nphet up until recently.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 18, 2021, 10:49:41 AM »
I think itís important to keep the ďhigh expressed emotionĒ out of the argument.
The vaccines arenít perfect but they have been very effective in keeping people out of hospital. They donít prevent spread and arguably if vaccinated people get complacent and donít continue to practice good covid hygiene practices, they will contribute significantly to rise in cases. The vaccines protect most from serious illness , but if there are more cases then even a small percentage of a large number of cases could break the NHS. The nhs has been grossly underfunded for years snd this pandemic has exposed this dramatically.
Imho there is only one path to take. Promote worldwide vaccination , and incentivisation through vaccine passports will help. In addition we must continue to practice Covid safety sense, this needs to be easy measures That the population can sustain economically and psychologically. This approach to eradication via herd immunity thru vaccination and infections , whilst keeping numbers low so as not to break the nhs is probably our only hope of getting on top of this. Taking any other approach is high risk  and likely to lead to significantly more deaths.
Anyone proposing a different strategy , has no hope of it succeeding , as they are fighting against very very strong scientific arguments. The only possible impact of anti-vacc strategies is to delay combatting this pandemic and cause many more deaths.
In short vaccinate the world, get boosters when available, keep Covid smart , and beat this.
Part of that strategy must be worldwide social media regulation that prevents poor quality anecdotal opinion being treated on an equal footing to established and very strong medical evidence .

Does this apply to mis-information such as that which the poster "Thatstheball" has highlighted. It was claimed by numerous scientists including our own members of Nphet that the unvaccinated carried higher viral loads than the vaccinated in relation to the spread of Covid. Mis-information is a two way street.
Edit - This is in relation to the last sentence of your commentary.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 18, 2021, 10:26:14 AM »
But people who are unvaccinated are more likely to catch Covid than people who are vaccinated, therefore, you are much safer eating in a restaurant that only allows vaccinated to attend.

Fair enough I don't disagree, however that was not the primary reason for exclusion of unvaccinated people from indoor dining in this country.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 18, 2021, 09:50:04 AM »
Tweet from Cillian de Gascun

Whilst vaccination reduces the risk of Delta infection, fully vaccinated individuals have viral loads similar to unvaccinated & can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts (Singanayagamet al, madRxiv.

 ;D Never mind the bollocks here's the science ehh Luke O Neill ::) He's a bluffer with a good few euro in his pocket.

That's been known for a while. But you get people (frankly idiots) who misinterpret this as meaning vaccines don't work or don't matter, and they ignore the fact that you're far far less likely to catch Covid if you have been vaccinated. And those idiots spread the message to other idiots, resulting in the self fulfilling prophecy that too many don't get the vaccine, so the vaccine does not eliminate the virus.

The above was 1 of 18 tweets De Gascun had yesterday on the subject as he was explaining how herd immunity or what he prefers to call "Community Level Protection" works with vaccines.

The reproductive number is important and De Gascun compared vaccine effectiveness (VE) and vaccine uptake of other viruses:

Smallpox: VE 95%, uptake > 80% worldwide = eradicated
Endemic Rubella: VE 99%, uptake > 92% Ireland = eliminated
Endemic Measles: VE 95%, uptake > 92% Ireland = eliminated
Endemic Mumps: VE: 65-75%, uptake > 92% Ireland = not eliminated

For Covid, VE ranges from 53% to 91% (overall 75% is reasonable estimate). 88% uptake in those over 12 in Ireland, means 75-80% across the whole population, so overall vaccines on their own cannot control Covid at current uptake levels. Therefore, additional public health measures, including increasing vaccine uptake is required to control Covid.

But De Gascun also emphasised that the vaccines are very effective at protecting against hospitalisation and severe disease.

Idiots including people who should know better like Luke O Neill & Pat Kenny who don't want to eat in restaurants with the unvaccinated as they are multiple times more likely to pass on Covid that the vaccinated.
 I fully accept everything you wrote above as being accurate, the vaccine is doing a job in saving lives & reducing the pressure in hospitals. However the efficacy of these vaccines is poor. The immunity depreciates very significantly over time, therefore the requirement for boosters. A greater proportion of people aged 20 - 60 are  unlikely to take up the opportunity to get the booster jab, scientists have to develop a better treatment for Covid, than the current vaccines.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 18, 2021, 08:31:59 AM »
Tweet from Cillian de Gascun

Whilst vaccination reduces the risk of Delta infection, fully vaccinated individuals have viral loads similar to unvaccinated & can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts (Singanayagamet al, madRxiv.

 ;D Never mind the bollocks here's the science ehh Luke O Neill ::) He's a bluffer with a good few euro in his pocket.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Brawl at Wicklow U15 match
« on: October 15, 2021, 10:55:19 AM »
Itís only a matter for the Guards if someone makes a complaint. If the Guards or the RUC up north investigated every Snap Chat video of fights on the streets and playing fields of any sport theyíd never be done!

These types of schemozzles happen in any sport. They are wrong and the clubs should be punished. Fining them is worthless.  Punishing the whole club is harsh but may need to happen. I think what does need to happen is that there needs to be strong education rolled out within clubs for a zero tolerance of this behaviour and of abusive behaviour to refs. Itís is learned behaviour and unless it is stopped at very early stages the process continues on. I have coached and reffed at under age and some of the things that are said by mentors is shocking. The notion of win at all costs has to be stopped. I havenít been involved at rugby but have been involved at underage basketball and thereís a very respectful approach to refs. Game may not be just as physical but if a ref is questioned then thereís technical fouls called and points scored.

Education is the only way to deal with this and a real drive to change the mentality. Go Games ideals have not worked so a new look should be done. Silent sidelines, restricted numbers, as best as possible no parents coaching their own kids teams. There will always be rows but itís possible to minimise them.

The Gardai should not have to wait for someone to make a complaint  before they take action. No parents coaching their own kids is probably a good idea in theory, however in the vast majority of clubs very few would get involved in coaching if this was the case. Tonight I'm taking a team where I have none of my family involved, I will miss my young lads soccer match which is on at the same time. Good gaa man - bad dad!

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GAA Discussion / Re: Brawl at Wicklow U15 match
« on: October 15, 2021, 07:43:48 AM »
If it's a matter for Gardai were it to happen on the streets then it should be a matter for the gardai were it to happen on the pitch.

He's from Our ma, they sort things out themselves.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Brawl at Wicklow U15 match
« on: October 14, 2021, 02:28:30 PM »
It's pure bull dung & a cop out from the Gardai, issuing a statement saying "no formal complaint from the game was received ". No investigation unless a complaint received.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 14, 2021, 02:21:01 PM »
Good article in the Irish Times in relation to Covid & border areas. Northern Irish Catholics come in for a hard time. Apparently its cultural for NI catholics to go against the grain. True in my experience, feral hoors  ;D

Lol.
Honestly but there might be something in it, we dont like following rules

I was in Derry about 20 years ago for Halloween night. Very good night, some of the costumes were pleasing on the eye, even back then. Think it was Peadars I was in, really enjoyed the night & had a serious suppin of porter & Jameson. i was with a fairly respectable bunch of northern lads I used to play ball with / against. The night ended, time to go back to one of the lads house. Out into a square, RUC van getting pelted with bottles, all the buckeens I was with picking up bottles & throwing them at the van. I bent down (not to be the odd one out) was about to pick up a bottle, then I caught myself on ... Hilarious all the same, some dacent God fearing south Derry boys acting the maggot. I wonder are any of them buckeens on here.

Them boys wouldn't be the best rioters. Us city boys premier division.

Hard to beat them at the football/hurling though.

One of the first big years we had in Derry with Halloween(think about 87) was finished with full on riot up the town. RUC blasted the Guildhall Square with plastic bullets, thankfully a distant memory now. Halloween in Derry cant be beat

It's an experience, always liked Derry haven't been there in a while. I'm hoping the Derry Rossie league game is in Celtic Park. Saturday evening would be great.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 14, 2021, 12:29:41 PM »
Good article in the Irish Times in relation to Covid & border areas. Northern Irish Catholics come in for a hard time. Apparently its cultural for NI catholics to go against the grain. True in my experience, feral hoors  ;D

Lol.
Honestly but there might be something in it, we dont like following rules

I was in Derry about 20 years ago for Halloween night. Very good night, some of the costumes were pleasing on the eye, even back then. Think it was Peadars I was in, really enjoyed the night & had a serious suppin of porter & Jameson. i was with a fairly respectable bunch of northern lads I used to play ball with / against. The night ended, time to go back to one of the lads house. Out into a square, RUC van getting pelted with bottles, all the buckeens I was with picking up bottles & throwing them at the van. I bent down (not to be the odd one out) was about to pick up a bottle, then I caught myself on ... Hilarious all the same, some dacent God fearing south Derry boys acting the maggot. I wonder are any of them buckeens on here.

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General discussion / Re: Things that make you go What the F**k?
« on: October 13, 2021, 08:48:36 PM »
Several people killed in Norway with a man with a bow & arrows. It's not just America or guns.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Brawl at Wicklow U15 match
« on: October 13, 2021, 02:55:16 PM »
Americans ask you all the time do Irish people hate the British

I tell them that the Irish probably hate the people living in the next village over way more than they hate the British

Ireland is a very tribal society and the GAA is a perfect outlet for some of the aggressions that would formerly have been settled via faction fighting

Iíve heard stuff drug up at matches that happened decades ago and had nothing to do with football

78km from Carnew to Kilcoole so local rivals doesn't hold much water.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Brawl at Wicklow U15 match
« on: October 13, 2021, 12:30:46 PM »
The blue & yellow supporters & mentors come out of this looking far worse than the Kilcoole supporters & mentors. A big fat ape dressed in all black clearly assaults a mentor with shorts dressed in green & yellow. The same mentor is assaulted by a big ape of a woman, who also calls him a pri"k. One of the mentors dressed in blue also assaults a supporter dressed in grey, pulls the top over his head & hits him a few slaps. Those 3 should be done for assault for starters. It was also a "D" Final for ffs.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 13, 2021, 11:22:34 AM »
Good article in the Irish Times in relation to Covid & border areas. Northern Irish Catholics come in for a hard time. Apparently its cultural for NI catholics to go against the grain. True in my experience, feral hoors  ;D

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