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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 04:40:27 PM »
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0627/1307102-orourke-on-brawl-armagh-the-common-denominator/

Hyperbolic hypocritical nonsense from O'Rourke. And then I seen that muppet Flanagan looking to get the Gardai involved. You know it is gone too far when the actual Galway manager is less offended than those media pundits and rival fans preaching from the pulpit.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 02:07:29 PM »
Theyve been at it before Donaghy arrived on the ticket.
Im not referring to the gouging because thats a separate thing thats unexplainable.
Open your eyes man. James Morgan and Greg McCabe are card magnets and dont help themselves or the team with their nonsense.
There are a few others who are a shoe-in for cards every game. Armagh are a betting man's dream when it comes to cards.
You are a bullshitter. Morgan has in the past been rash and card prone. Over the last 10 or 12 years Armagh have not been involved a lot of this stuff as you suggest. This year they have been involved in 3 instances which is too much, but this happening the length and breadth of the country at club and county level your allegation that Armagh are some how world leaders at it does not stack.

So we're into personal insults now because you disagree strongly with an opinion.
Classy. Then again i shouldnt be surprised.
 

Just enjoy thier loss Brick. Still buzzing.
Lol be a while before you lot get a run out at Croke park. Maybe one of your refs will you can all go and support him ;D

You know you're at rock bottom whenever you get your kicks out of other teams losing.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 01:33:25 PM »
Forgot to mention Comer. I was giving out about him and his antics to my brother during the game. Fair enough they probably werenít that bad but they annoyed me. However, once Galway scored the winner and their players were all celebrating - nothing wrong with that - Comer went and shook the hands of every Armagh player. Speaks volumes about him. Fair play.

Noticed that myself and that's exactly the way it should be. As a competitor you do whatever it takes to win the match but when its over leave it on the pitch.

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I think Galway probably have the better footballers in the forward division but I would fancy Derry to win this match. They are very well drilled and everybody knows their job and Gallagher is arguably the best coach in Ireland. He will have his homework done on Galways danger men.   

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 12:25:14 PM »
Its all in the coaching and team culture built up over a number of years. If anyone thinks that McKLeever and McGeeneys 'style' isnt all over that team then they need their heads read.
Monkey see monkey do.
Its premeditated not to ever actually strike. Becasue thats a sending off offence. So lads, no striking whatever you do.
But make sure you grapple, wrestle, grab, twist and hold onto him like your life depends on it and dont ever back down or let go first. Thats a sign of weakness and we cant have that, because after all, we're all big men and we like to flex how big we are.

Whilst there is alot to admire about Armagh's journey and football theyve played, they still get involved too much, indulge in thuggish shite and foul too easily. Their obsession with chest beating macho bull shit and insistence in turning every game into a dick-measuring contest was always gonna bite them at some stage.
Theyve lost this particular dick-measuring contest and its gonna hurt for a while.

Ridiculous to blame the manager and the defensive coach for an incident that happened on the pitch simply because they were tough players when they played themselves. The players on the pitch take responsibility for their own actions and one Armagh player stepped over the line. The rest of it is simply hand wringing and faux outrage from people with an anti Armagh agenda.

I think there is a lot of truth to what he said actually. A team that is consistently getting into scrapes has a culture of it in the camp. Where else does a culture like  this come from? Even McGeeneys very poor interview afterwards showed the culture and mentality.

What scrapes though, there was hardly a blow struck in any of them. It is of no value for anybody to get involved in these incidents but bar yesterdays gouge its hardly lock up the children stuff either. Its just hand wringing from a few people with an agenda. I said as soon as the melee started that Armagh will probably get blamed and as sure as eggs are eggs it is getting pinned on McGeeney and McKeever. Why stop at thsoe two men though and what about Kieran Donaghy then? Does he get blamed too or does it not suit the narrative because he is a Kerry man?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 11:55:08 AM »
Its all in the coaching and team culture built up over a number of years. If anyone thinks that McKLeever and McGeeneys 'style' isnt all over that team then they need their heads read.
Monkey see monkey do.
Its premeditated not to ever actually strike. Becasue thats a sending off offence. So lads, no striking whatever you do.
But make sure you grapple, wrestle, grab, twist and hold onto him like your life depends on it and dont ever back down or let go first. Thats a sign of weakness and we cant have that, because after all, we're all big men and we like to flex how big we are.

Whilst there is alot to admire about Armagh's journey and football theyve played, they still get involved too much, indulge in thuggish shite and foul too easily. Their obsession with chest beating macho bull shit and insistence in turning every game into a dick-measuring contest was always gonna bite them at some stage.
Theyve lost this particular dick-measuring contest and its gonna hurt for a while.

Ridiculous to blame the manager and the defensive coach for an incident that happened on the pitch simply because they were tough players when they played themselves. The players on the pitch take responsibility for their own actions and one Armagh player stepped over the line. The rest of it is simply hand wringing and faux outrage from people with an anti Armagh agenda. 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 11:49:19 AM »
So there you are now. Some thoughts.

It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.

The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.

If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If youíre winding at least donít make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesnít deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.

I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.

Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.

Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.

Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.

Jesus Christ. A person could have lost his sight.
If Armagh owned up here ppl would have more sympathy.

I don't think anybody is condoning the gouging but don't start over dramatising it either saying he could have lost his sight. Kelly will get rightly banned together with the Galway lad that swung the punch back at him but I was talking about everything else that went on. However its a bit rich for Tyrone fans to be jumping in looking for players to get lynched.   

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 11:38:59 AM »
So there you are now. Some thoughts.

It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.

The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.

If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If youíre winding at least donít make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesnít deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.

I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.

Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.

Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.

Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame. 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 11:21:22 AM »
So there you are now. Some thoughts.

It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.

The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.

If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.

Did you actually watch the match? Rian O'Neill is a great player but probably didn't have his best match yesterday and Armagh have plenty of other good players so that is ridiculous to say that he is the only player we have. As for shiteing the togs, catch a grip one team has to lose and it's not like we threw away a big lead the game ebbed and flowed and Galway won on spot kicks. Its fine margins when it gets to that stage.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 11:16:52 AM »
Morgan got nothing at the time for hitting Walsh on the blindside.
Didnít see that. Walsh could have had a black when he took Morgan out off the ball after Morgan was on a yellow.

The GAA seriously need to look At Melees. They are often ďhandbagsĒ but seriously bad PR. The current sanctions arenít working and actually penalise normal human behaviour. If u see a friend in a headlock , youíre going to want to protect him. It 10 of your opponents rush into melee youíre not going to wait on the sidelines to see what happens.
Kelly and Nugent appeared to be peacemakers yet theyíre red carded. Previous sanctions have been rescinded as presumably legally unsound.
A few things to consider :
1.Subs outside the wire . Only minimal specific personnel inside the wire.
2.Those who pull people out are not treated the same as those who aggressively interject.
3.Heavy financial sanctions to teams

Finish on the day must stay. Replays mess up the calendar, are a further strain in amateur players, and financial strain on the punters . Perhaps 10 seconds to score from the edge of the D , might be a better option than penalties.

Mcgeeney is right about trial by media/social media. RTEís view has dictated rule changes in the past , and they have their own agenda. Eg They want replays as itís clearly good for RTE viewing figures and itís another payday for the pundits . SeŠn cavanaghís crocodile tears about his neighbours and Tyroneís biggest rivals losing out on penalties was laughable . The irony of the likes of Whelan and Cavanagh wringing their hands in disgust at foul play is even more hilarious .


Great game. Deal with melees going forward but keep the ďwin on the dayĒ.
Great championship so far and it will be finished in July so that 95% of players can enjoy club action for the rest of the year . Well done GAA

I agree with a lot of what you say except that it hasn't been a great championship. Armagh have probably saved it, there were very few decent other matches that I can think of. 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 11:06:57 AM »
If we had won that match it would have been a great steal but it is still hard to take given the nature of the defeat. That said I don't understand all the hand wringing over penalty kicks. The rules are the same for both sides and we had 100+ minutes to win the match and didn't do so. As well as Rafferty played, I thought that Armagh should have brought on an actual shot stopper for the penalty kicks. That was a huge mistake by management. 

Kelly will get suspended for the gouging incident but he is a young lad who got carried away with the emotion and will have regrets this morning but some of the reaction is way ott. 

As a fellow Ulster man I would like to see Derry get to an AI final but nor would I be too disappointed to see Galway there either as they have great supporters and have a long tradition of producing great footballers none more so than Padraig Joyce who was very gracious in victory afterwards.

Good post Yellowcard.

Funnily enough, lads on tv were talking about changing Rafferty for a 'normal keeper' in the last minute of extra-time.
Rafferty very close to a couple of the penalties plus heís a bigger presence in the net than Blaine. Probably one of those where youíre damned if you do, damned if you donít.

But he's not an actual goalkeeper. He is there for his size and kicking ability. He is too big to get down quickly for spot kicks. The safe decision was to stick with Rafferty but he has only been a goalkeeper for 6 months. I think Hughes who has trained as an actual goalkeeper for years would have been a much better choice. No guarantee he would have saved any but he would have given us a better chance.

As a player you would know that if you hit the target you have a great chance of scoring if the person in nets isnt a conventional goalkeeper.
This increases your chances of scoring rather than having to place it in a particular spot which the second Armagh player that missed had to do

Exactly right. If you're a Galway player you just have to focus purely on hitting the target and it puts less pressure on the kicker to force it into a corner. 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 10:52:14 AM »
If we had won that match it would have been a great steal but it is still hard to take given the nature of the defeat. That said I don't understand all the hand wringing over penalty kicks. The rules are the same for both sides and we had 100+ minutes to win the match and didn't do so. As well as Rafferty played, I thought that Armagh should have brought on an actual shot stopper for the penalty kicks. That was a huge mistake by management. 

Kelly will get suspended for the gouging incident but he is a young lad who got carried away with the emotion and will have regrets this morning but some of the reaction is way ott. 

As a fellow Ulster man I would like to see Derry get to an AI final but nor would I be too disappointed to see Galway there either as they have great supporters and have a long tradition of producing great footballers none more so than Padraig Joyce who was very gracious in victory afterwards.

Good post Yellowcard.

Funnily enough, lads on tv were talking about changing Rafferty for a 'normal keeper' in the last minute of extra-time.
Rafferty very close to a couple of the penalties plus heís a bigger presence in the net than Blaine. Probably one of those where youíre damned if you do, damned if you donít.

But he's not an actual goalkeeper. He is there for his size and kicking ability. He is too big to get down quickly for spot kicks. The safe decision was to stick with Rafferty but he has only been a goalkeeper for 6 months. I think Hughes who has trained as an actual goalkeeper for years would have been a much better choice. No guarantee he would have saved any but he would have given us a better chance.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 10:07:43 AM »
If we had won that match it would have been a great steal but it is still hard to take given the nature of the defeat. That said I don't understand all the hand wringing over penalty kicks. The rules are the same for both sides and we had 100+ minutes to win the match and didn't do so. As well as Rafferty played, I thought that Armagh should have brought on an actual shot stopper for the penalty kicks. That was a huge mistake by management. 

Kelly will get suspended for the gouging incident but he is a young lad who got carried away with the emotion and will have regrets this morning but some of the reaction is way ott. 

As a fellow Ulster man I would like to see Derry get to an AI final but nor would I be too disappointed to see Galway there either as they have great supporters and have a long tradition of producing great footballers none more so than Padraig Joyce who was very gracious in victory afterwards.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Sam Maguire Qualifiers 2022
« on: June 25, 2022, 08:21:47 PM »
They are a shadow of the 6 in a row team but they could get themselves up for one last shot at glory. Muscle memory and a learned ability to close out tight games should not be underestimated. I suspect if they donít win an AI this year they could struggle to regain the crown for a good few years though as a lot of players are on their last legs at the top level.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Sam Maguire Qualifiers 2022
« on: June 25, 2022, 07:42:27 PM »
Dubs trying to win in 2nd gear and not show their hand to Kerry (sorry Mayo).
Don't think so. This is the type of show that got Dublin relegated to Div 2.
Yeah, don't think so myself.

Johnny Cooper just awarded MOTM and I would 100% say he is a big weak link in that team at this stage of his career. Kerry will be delighted to see him line out at CHB.

I agree. Big weak link, fouls when under pressure he is a shadow of the player he once was.

That said Dublin will be happy enough. They won in 3rd gear and will all of the pressure will likely be on Kerry (providingbthey beat Mayo) in what will be the de facto AI final.

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