Election nerds ASSEMBLY ASSEMBLE!!
Its PR so use yer preferences wisely.
The DUP nightmare election aka the Taigs take over.
When you consider the old Norn Iron Parliament in Stormont that always had a UUP majority and never had a nationalist representation in decision making , May will be significant.
"In its 50-year history, only one piece of legislation was passed that was introduced by a Nationalist member, the Wild Birds Protection Act.[which?][4] In October 1971, as the Troubles worsened, Gerard Newe had been appointed as a junior minister at Stormont, in an attempt to improve community relations. Fifty years after it came into existence, Newe was the first Catholic to serve in a Northern Ireland government, but because he was neither an MP nor a Senator, his appointment could last only six months."
The chart under "General Elections" shows how things were pre 1972
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_Northern_Ireland
LucidTalk poll for Belfast Telegraph at the weekend:
SF 26% (+1 from Jan)
DUP 19% (+2)
Alliance 16% (+2)
UUP 13% (-1)
SDLP 11% (-)
TUV 9% (-3)
Quote from: Snapchap on March 28, 2022, 01:58:01 PM
LucidTalk poll for Belfast Telegraph at the weekend:
SF 26% (+1 from Jan)
DUP 19% (+2)
Alliance 16% (+2)
UUP 13% (-1)
SDLP 11% (-)
TUV 9% (-3)
Jamie Bryson says its fake news and skewed towards nationalists, despite Lucidtalks excellent track record at predicting election results here.
I believe it when I see it, Dup got more lives than a cat.
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Then on the day, vote early and transfer your vote. A great slogan doing the rounds on social media the last time was 'Vote til you boke'. So obviously keep going down the list until you hit DUP/TUV/Conservatives.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 28, 2022, 03:26:15 PM
I believe it when I see it, Dup got more lives than a cat.
Long may it continue!
The state of NI politics with the DUP and Shinners dominant is interesting and reminds me of an Adlai Stevenson quote.
During the session in the Assembly to remember Christopher Stalford the more erudite speeches came from the SDLP, Alliance and UUP benches.
Some of the Shinner and DUP MLAs were atrocious.
https://quotepark.com/authors/adlai-stevenson/?msclkid=2bffcc4baec711ec8f40b9148e2a3d31
The supposed response to a woman who called out to him: "Governor, you have the vote of every thinking person!" during one of his presidential campaigns. T
,,That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!"
Quote from: seafoid on March 28, 2022, 07:47:50 PM
The state of NI politics with the DUP and Shinners dominant is interesting and reminds me of an Adlai Stevenson quote.
During the session in the Assembly to remember Christopher Stalford the more erudite speeches came from the SDLP, Alliance and UUP benches.
Some of the Shinner and DUP MLAs were atrocious.
https://quotepark.com/authors/adlai-stevenson/?msclkid=2bffcc4baec711ec8f40b9148e2a3d31
The supposed response to a woman who called out to him: "Governor, you have the vote of every thinking person!" during one of his presidential campaigns. T
,,That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!"
The standard of politician across the board in the 6 counties is definitely not great. Very few of them could hold their own in a serious debate hence the reason why the same politicians are wheeled out time and time again. On the other hand when it comes to social media presence there are plenty of charlatans about.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 28, 2022, 02:16:01 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 28, 2022, 01:58:01 PM
LucidTalk poll for Belfast Telegraph at the weekend:
SF 26% (+1 from Jan)
DUP 19% (+2)
Alliance 16% (+2)
UUP 13% (-1)
SDLP 11% (-)
TUV 9% (-3)
Jamie Bryson says its fake news and skewed towards nationalists, despite Lucidtalks excellent track record at predicting election results here.
What matters are how those poll numbers translate into seats won, what are the seat predictions?
Quote from: Snapchap on March 28, 2022, 01:58:01 PM
LucidTalk poll for Belfast Telegraph at the weekend:
SF 26% (+1 from Jan)
DUP 19% (+2)
Alliance 16% (+2)
UUP 13% (-1)
SDLP 11% (-)
TUV 9% (-3)
Have the Nationalist parties peaked? 37% is hardly an endorsement for a border poll. Obviously it's only an opinion poll but I thought the two of them combined has circa 43% at one stage?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 28, 2022, 09:42:52 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 28, 2022, 01:58:01 PM
LucidTalk poll for Belfast Telegraph at the weekend:
SF 26% (+1 from Jan)
DUP 19% (+2)
Alliance 16% (+2)
UUP 13% (-1)
SDLP 11% (-)
TUV 9% (-3)
Have the Nationalist parties peaked? 37% is hardly an endorsement for a border poll. Obviously it's only an opinion poll but I thought the two of them combined has circa 43% at one stage?
Probably a good few 'nationalists' going to the Alliance party I'd say especially in areas east of the Bann.
Quote from: marty34 on March 28, 2022, 10:17:14 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 28, 2022, 09:42:52 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 28, 2022, 01:58:01 PM
LucidTalk poll for Belfast Telegraph at the weekend:
SF 26% (+1 from Jan)
DUP 19% (+2)
Alliance 16% (+2)
UUP 13% (-1)
SDLP 11% (-)
TUV 9% (-3)
Have the Nationalist parties peaked? 37% is hardly an endorsement for a border poll. Obviously it's only an opinion poll but I thought the two of them combined has circa 43% at one stage?
Probably a good few 'nationalists' going to the Alliance party I'd say especially in areas east of the Bann.
Plenty of nationalists in Strangford will vote Alliance as the most viable option of ousting a DUPer..
The SDLP came close last time with Joe Boyle, a local candidate, not sure how this new lad will fare with the usual SDLP voters..
19% for the DUP is a long way from where they want to be. Brexit really was suicidal.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 29, 2022, 08:15:47 AM
Quote from: marty34 on March 28, 2022, 10:17:14 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 28, 2022, 09:42:52 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 28, 2022, 01:58:01 PM
LucidTalk poll for Belfast Telegraph at the weekend:
SF 26% (+1 from Jan)
DUP 19% (+2)
Alliance 16% (+2)
UUP 13% (-1)
SDLP 11% (-)
TUV 9% (-3)
Have the Nationalist parties peaked? 37% is hardly an endorsement for a border poll. Obviously it's only an opinion poll but I thought the two of them combined has circa 43% at one stage?
Probably a good few 'nationalists' going to the Alliance party I'd say especially in areas east of the Bann.
Plenty of nationalists in Strangford will vote Alliance as the most viable option of ousting a DUPer..
The SDLP came close last time with Joe Boyle, a local candidate, not sure how this new lad will fare with the usual SDLP voters..
Is there a nationalist seat in Strangford JC?
Outwith the Ballycran, Ballygalget and Portaferry areas, is there any other nationalist area around Newtownards etc.?
Quote from: marty34 on March 29, 2022, 08:57:21 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 29, 2022, 08:15:47 AM
Quote from: marty34 on March 28, 2022, 10:17:14 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 28, 2022, 09:42:52 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 28, 2022, 01:58:01 PM
LucidTalk poll for Belfast Telegraph at the weekend:
SF 26% (+1 from Jan)
DUP 19% (+2)
Alliance 16% (+2)
UUP 13% (-1)
SDLP 11% (-)
TUV 9% (-3)
Have the Nationalist parties peaked? 37% is hardly an endorsement for a border poll. Obviously it's only an opinion poll but I thought the two of them combined has circa 43% at one stage?
Probably a good few 'nationalists' going to the Alliance party I'd say especially in areas east of the Bann.
Plenty of nationalists in Strangford will vote Alliance as the most viable option of ousting a DUPer..
The SDLP came close last time with Joe Boyle, a local candidate, not sure how this new lad will fare with the usual SDLP voters..
Is there a nationalist seat in Strangford JC?
Outwith the Ballycran, Ballygalget and Portaferry areas, is there any other nationalist area around Newtownards etc.?
Not really, a handful in Newtownards would be it, hence why local Camog, Kellie Armstrong (Nee McGrattan) gets over the line with moderate unionist votes for Alliance but former Dall man Joe Boyle was just pipped to the post last time out for the SDLP and I'd say the local man aspect was a big thing for him to get that many. Not sure how the new candidate will do, I don't know him and I'm not sure the SDLP brand would be strong enough just to put anyone with their rosette in and get the same vote, but time will tell.
Shinners put up a young lad from Ards who used to hurl with us up for the GE, he may have picked up the young vote from the lads who's know him from hurling with and against him but they've no real traction with the older generations down here.
My money would be on two Alliance getting in rather than Alliance and SDLP one each, DUP to hold two but lose the other one, Hamilton was a big winner for the DUP and he's gone but Nesbitt should get in again for the UUP.
SDLP have missed an open goal here several times. Nationalists should rally behind SDLP and not get behind Alliance as you will get a muppet like Kellie Armstrong who I will never forget on TV saying that the Republic had a long way to catch up with UK regarding diversity, that when Leo was Taoiseach. Not sure who was the last gay person of ethnic minority background PM of the UK ::)
Quote from: johnnycool on March 29, 2022, 08:15:47 AM
Quote from: marty34 on March 28, 2022, 10:17:14 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 28, 2022, 09:42:52 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 28, 2022, 01:58:01 PM
LucidTalk poll for Belfast Telegraph at the weekend:
SF 26% (+1 from Jan)
DUP 19% (+2)
Alliance 16% (+2)
UUP 13% (-1)
SDLP 11% (-)
TUV 9% (-3)
Have the Nationalist parties peaked? 37% is hardly an endorsement for a border poll. Obviously it's only an opinion poll but I thought the two of them combined has circa 43% at one stage?
Probably a good few 'nationalists' going to the Alliance party I'd say especially in areas east of the Bann.
Plenty of nationalists in Strangford will vote Alliance as the most viable option of ousting a DUPer..
The SDLP came close last time with Joe Boyle, a local candidate, not sure how this new lad will fare with the usual SDLP voters..
He's in everything but the crib. Professional committee member. But a North Down kinda guy. Sylvia Hermon for nationalists.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on March 29, 2022, 09:43:55 AM
SDLP have missed an open goal here several times. Nationalists should rally behind SDLP and not get behind Alliance as you will get a muppet like Kellie Armstrong who I will never forget on TV saying that the Republic had a long way to catch up with UK regarding diversity, that when Leo was Taoiseach. Not sure who was the last gay person of ethnic minority background PM of the UK ::)
Why would anyone vote for the SDLP?
Quote from: Average Score on March 29, 2022, 10:37:54 AM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on March 29, 2022, 09:43:55 AM
SDLP have missed an open goal here several times. Nationalists should rally behind SDLP and not get behind Alliance as you will get a muppet like Kellie Armstrong who I will never forget on TV saying that the Republic had a long way to catch up with UK regarding diversity, that when Leo was Taoiseach. Not sure who was the last gay person of ethnic minority background PM of the UK ::)
Why would anyone vote for the SDLP?
Well you will be waiting along time for a United Ireland if your just relying on SF with 26%. The sooner nationalists stop knocking each other and work together a bit more the better. Unionists tear shreds out of each other but look how they get cosy with each other come election time.
I dont think this election is going to matter in the short/ medium term. The DUP have backed themselves into such a corner that making up an executive with a SF FM is really a red line for them.
So SF may return as the largest party but chances are there wont be an executive so we will be back where we started. That's unless Alliance can make big gains, but my reading of that is to form an executive they would have to nominate themselves as Unionists to make the joint rule work?!
It is going to be a mess all summer unfortunately and with the LCC stirring up all sorts of tensions could make for an intense marching season.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on March 29, 2022, 09:43:55 AM
SDLP have missed an open goal here several times. Nationalists should rally behind SDLP and not get behind Alliance as you will get a muppet like Kellie Armstrong who I will never forget on TV saying that the Republic had a long way to catch up with UK regarding diversity, that when Leo was Taoiseach. Not sure who was the last gay person of ethnic minority background PM of the UK ::)
Kellie talks shíte a lot of the time, but that's a family trait ;) and doesn't take kindly to my jibs about it'll be great to see all those kids in integrated education playing a bit of hurling during PE lessons as evidently that's an after school activity in an integrated school but not timetabled...
The Assumption Grammar has a lot to answer for.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on March 29, 2022, 10:46:48 AM
Quote from: Average Score on March 29, 2022, 10:37:54 AM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on March 29, 2022, 09:43:55 AM
SDLP have missed an open goal here several times. Nationalists should rally behind SDLP and not get behind Alliance as you will get a muppet like Kellie Armstrong who I will never forget on TV saying that the Republic had a long way to catch up with UK regarding diversity, that when Leo was Taoiseach. Not sure who was the last gay person of ethnic minority background PM of the UK ::)
Why would anyone vote for the SDLP?
Well you will be waiting along time for a United Ireland if your just relying on SF with 26%. The sooner nationalists stop knocking each other and work together a bit more the better. Unionists tear shreds out of each other but look how they get cosy with each other come election time.
In fairness, I don't think it's a case that the two nationalist parties are constantly knocking each other - it's more a case that the SDLP are obsessive about attacking SF. SF rarely bother engaging in attacks on the SDLP. Brian Feeney recently wrote a very good column in the Irish News about this:
"It seems obligatory for SDLP speakers to attack Sinn Féin rather than promoting their own position on any matter. It's obsessive, it's repetitive, it's tedious, it's been constant for years. Sometimes its just silly, such as trying to say Sinn Féin's behaviour is the cause of the DUP threatening to pull down the executive.
Enoch Powell said never to mention political opponents in speeches because it only give them a chance to excercise their right of reply. You'll notice Sinn Féin seldom or never mentions the SDLP. They concentrate their assaults on their political enemy the DUP even though it's the SDLP that's their political antagonist for votes."And he is right. Only last week, the Irish News was reporting on the SDLP annual conference over a two page spread. Each headline was about a speaker trying to link SF to the DUP's collapsing of the executive. You'd thing that surely SOMEONE in that party should be savy enough to know that absolutely nobody is stupid enough to fall for that and that it won't refelect well on them to be trying to take people for fools? Yet as Brian Feeney went on to say in his article:
"For some reason no-one in the SDLP seems to have realised that persistently attacking Sinn Féin doesn't work. They've been hammering away now through four leaders since John Hume. For a while they tried calling the DUP & Sinn Féin 'the problem parties'. No good. The voters didn't agree and continued to vote in increasing numbers for both.
Is relentlessly attacking Sinn Féin a strategy or has it long since become merely a reflex reaction?"
South Down might see a drop in the vote for the shinners due to Emma Rogan non-attendance and Sinead Ennis social media crap. But Cathy Mason is a sound girl and I expect 2 sf, 2 stoops and one unionist to get the seats. It will be interesting to see who will get the unionist vote as Harold McKee is now TUV and would be well known and respected in the Kilkeel area. Will the offical unionists follow him?
Newry and Armagh should be interesting with independent Gavin Malone throwing his hat into the ring. He seems to be well got in the area and it could put an sf seat in that area at risk
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 11:15:27 AM
South Down might see a drop in the vote for the shinners due to Emma Rogan non-attendance and Sinead Ennis social media crap. But Cathy Mason is a sound girl and I expect 2 sf, 2 stoops and one unionist to get the seats. It will be interesting to see who will get the unionist vote as Harold McKee is now TUV and would be well known and respected in the Kilkeel area. Will the offical unionists follow him?
Newry and Armagh should be interesting with independent Gavin Malone throwing his hat into the ring. He seems to be well got in the area and it could put an sf seat in that area at risk
Alliance may get one of those nationalist seats in South Down
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 11:15:27 AM
South Down might see a drop in the vote for the shinners due to Emma Rogan non-attendance and Sinead Ennis social media crap. But Cathy Mason is a sound girl and I expect 2 sf, 2 stoops and one unionist to get the seats. It will be interesting to see who will get the unionist vote as Harold McKee is now TUV and would be well known and respected in the Kilkeel area. Will the offical unionists follow him?
Newry and Armagh should be interesting with independent Gavin Malone throwing his hat into the ring. He seems to be well got in the area and it could put an sf seat in that area at risk
Malone be a near cert I'd say. Seems a decent enough skin but probably better suited to local issues.
Is Bryson running?
Why does Nolan give him so much oxygen?
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 29, 2022, 11:35:48 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 11:15:27 AM
South Down might see a drop in the vote for the shinners due to Emma Rogan non-attendance and Sinead Ennis social media crap. But Cathy Mason is a sound girl and I expect 2 sf, 2 stoops and one unionist to get the seats. It will be interesting to see who will get the unionist vote as Harold McKee is now TUV and would be well known and respected in the Kilkeel area. Will the offical unionists follow him?
Newry and Armagh should be interesting with independent Gavin Malone throwing his hat into the ring. He seems to be well got in the area and it could put an sf seat in that area at risk
Malone be a near cert I'd say. Seems a decent enough skin but probably better suited to local issues.
What Shinner will get ousted then if he gets in
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 29, 2022, 11:50:17 AM
Is Bryson running?
Why does Nolan give him so much oxygen?
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Empty vessels make the most noise, he's not really caring what comes out of his trap as long as it makes the news and keeps his fat paycheck coming in
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 29, 2022, 11:50:17 AM
Is Bryson running?
Why does Nolan give him so much oxygen?
Us vs Them suits Nolan
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 29, 2022, 12:09:59 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 29, 2022, 11:50:17 AM
Is Bryson running?
Why does Nolan give him so much oxygen?
Us vs Them suits Nolan
Because most of those who complain about Nolan, continue to listen to him on a daily basis in huge numbers, instead of doing the responsible thing and boycotting him and his toxic sewer of a show.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 29, 2022, 11:50:17 AM
Is Bryson running?
Why does Nolan give him so much oxygen?
Rumour is Jamie knows something about Nolan's private life
The problem is enough listen for it to influence people - and the wrong kind of people at that. I wouldn't go anywhere near it but it's clear it is not having a positive influence on society in any way shape or form.
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 11:15:27 AM
South Down might see a drop in the vote for the shinners due to Emma Rogan non-attendance and Sinead Ennis social media crap. But Cathy Mason is a sound girl and I expect 2 sf, 2 stoops and one unionist to get the seats. It will be interesting to see who will get the unionist vote as Harold McKee is now TUV and would be well known and respected in the Kilkeel area. Will the offical unionists follow him?
Alliance are targeting South Down, but if a few drift to SDLP from SF the SDLP may hold their seat. The Unionist side is interesting, with the former UU candidate up for the TUV and a new DUP face who might appeal to some more than Wells.
You can't beat a PR election.
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 29, 2022, 12:15:57 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 29, 2022, 11:50:17 AM
Is Bryson running?
Why does Nolan give him so much oxygen?
Rumour is Jamie knows something about Nolan's private life
Sure didn't even Gregory Campbell semi threaten Nolan with the big reveal of the world's worst kept secret on live TV
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 12:03:29 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 29, 2022, 11:35:48 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 11:15:27 AM
South Down might see a drop in the vote for the shinners due to Emma Rogan non-attendance and Sinead Ennis social media crap. But Cathy Mason is a sound girl and I expect 2 sf, 2 stoops and one unionist to get the seats. It will be interesting to see who will get the unionist vote as Harold McKee is now TUV and would be well known and respected in the Kilkeel area. Will the offical unionists follow him?
Newry and Armagh should be interesting with independent Gavin Malone throwing his hat into the ring. He seems to be well got in the area and it could put an sf seat in that area at risk
Malone be a near cert I'd say. Seems a decent enough skin but probably better suited to local issues.
What Shinner will get ousted then if he gets in
Hard to say. You'd think Boylann and Murphy are certs but Liz Kimmins would be fairly well got around Newry as well.
Hoax bomb targeted at Simon Coveney sanctioned by UVF. Brick put through Doug Beatties office window. Loyalist intimidation of nationalist candidates putting up posters and other posters being burnt. The loyalist election strategy propping up the DUP is in full swing.
In South Down there is a lot of talk about the SDLP seat being at risk from Paddy Brown Alliance, but at the last Westminster election a low profile SDLP candidate almost caught Chris Hazzard SF. This is natural SDLP territory and SF have a very poor and unlikeable candidate in Sinead Ennis who I think could be more at risk of losing out.
I think McGrath has done enough in the area since the last election to warrant a seat, Paddy Brown is a good worker as well. Mason is also a good worker but people are not happy with how SF handled the Rogan not attendance.
I'm in Newry & Armagh and have never heard of Gavin Malone. Where is he based? I still go for 3 shinners, one stoop and one DUP, if Willie Irwin is running.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 29, 2022, 02:17:31 PM
I'm in Newry & Armagh and have never heard of Gavin Malone. Where is he based? I still go for 3 shinners, one stoop and one DUP, if Willie Irwin is running.
He's a very popular Independent Councillor from Newry. He's Newrier than a Friar Tucks boorger and a Timoneys ice cream.
I'd say he will get a lot of votes round Newry and if he can stay ahead of the low profile Liz Kimmins SF he could benefit from Alliance party transfers. Maybe a long shot but not impossible
Quote from: Feckitt on March 29, 2022, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 29, 2022, 02:17:31 PM
I'm in Newry & Armagh and have never heard of Gavin Malone. Where is he based? I still go for 3 shinners, one stoop and one DUP, if Willie Irwin is running.
He's a very popular Independent Councillor from Newry. He's Newrier than a Friar Tucks boorger and a Timoneys ice cream.
I'd say he will get a lot of votes round Newry and if he can stay ahead of the low profile Liz Kimmins SF he could benefit from Alliance party transfers. Maybe a long shot but not impossible
Thought that might be the case. He'll need to pick up a lot of the Newry vote to stay in the race as I can't see him picking up too many votes in the Armagh/Keady areas.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 28, 2022, 08:00:54 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 28, 2022, 07:47:50 PM
The state of NI politics with the DUP and Shinners dominant is interesting and reminds me of an Adlai Stevenson quote.
During the session in the Assembly to remember Christopher Stalford the more erudite speeches came from the SDLP, Alliance and UUP benches.
Some of the Shinner and DUP MLAs were atrocious.
https://quotepark.com/authors/adlai-stevenson/?msclkid=2bffcc4baec711ec8f40b9148e2a3d31
The supposed response to a woman who called out to him: "Governor, you have the vote of every thinking person!" during one of his presidential campaigns. T
,,That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!"
The standard of politician across the board in the 6 counties is definitely not great. Very few of them could hold their own in a serious debate hence the reason why the same politicians are wheeled out time and time again. On the other hand when it comes to social media presence there are plenty of charlatans about.
It's about as good as the standard in Westminster or in the south.
Very poor political leadership in this part of the world currently.
But in saying all that, I think Mary-Lou is a credible politician.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 28, 2022, 09:42:52 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 28, 2022, 01:58:01 PM
LucidTalk poll for Belfast Telegraph at the weekend:
SF 26% (+1 from Jan)
DUP 19% (+2)
Alliance 16% (+2)
UUP 13% (-1)
SDLP 11% (-)
TUV 9% (-3)
Have the Nationalist parties peaked? 37% is hardly an endorsement for a border poll. Obviously it's only an opinion poll but I thought the two of them combined has circa 43% at one stage?
Not sure we could equate this to what the results of a border poll would be.
There are Nationalists now who will be voting Alliance. There will be unionists who would vote for a UI as a means to return to the EU. The non-hardline-unionist.
Brexit has probably been the single biggest driving factor in making people who would never have entertained it, now consider a UI as a viable option.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 29, 2022, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on March 29, 2022, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 29, 2022, 02:17:31 PM
I'm in Newry & Armagh and have never heard of Gavin Malone. Where is he based? I still go for 3 shinners, one stoop and one DUP, if Willie Irwin is running.
He's a very popular Independent Councillor from Newry. He's Newrier than a Friar Tucks boorger and a Timoneys ice cream.
I'd say he will get a lot of votes round Newry and if he can stay ahead of the low profile Liz Kimmins SF he could benefit from Alliance party transfers. Maybe a long shot but not impossible
Thought that might be the case. He'll need to pick up a lot of the Newry vote to stay in the race as I can't see him picking up too many votes in the Armagh/Keady areas.
I think the presence of Malone is a threat to the 3rd SF seat in more ways than one. If he doesn't make it, his transfers could help Jackie Coade Alliance slip through. Again a long shot but not impossible and you would have to imagine that Liz Kimmins SF would be the one in danger of losing out. However if I was going to the bookies I would say 3 SF, 1 SDLP, 1 DUP. ( No change)
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 29, 2022, 03:01:15 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 28, 2022, 08:00:54 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 28, 2022, 07:47:50 PM
The state of NI politics with the DUP and Shinners dominant is interesting and reminds me of an Adlai Stevenson quote.
During the session in the Assembly to remember Christopher Stalford the more erudite speeches came from the SDLP, Alliance and UUP benches.
Some of the Shinner and DUP MLAs were atrocious.
https://quotepark.com/authors/adlai-stevenson/?msclkid=2bffcc4baec711ec8f40b9148e2a3d31
The supposed response to a woman who called out to him: "Governor, you have the vote of every thinking person!" during one of his presidential campaigns. T
,,That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!"
The standard of politician across the board in the 6 counties is definitely not great. Very few of them could hold their own in a serious debate hence the reason why the same politicians are wheeled out time and time again. On the other hand when it comes to social media presence there are plenty of charlatans about.
It's about as good as the standard in Westminster or in the south.
Very poor political leadership in this part of the world currently.
But in saying all that, I think Mary-Lou is a credible politician.
Cant stand her
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on March 29, 2022, 01:05:01 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 29, 2022, 12:15:57 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 29, 2022, 11:50:17 AM
Is Bryson running?
Why does Nolan give him so much oxygen?
Rumour is Jamie knows something about Nolan's private life
Sure didn't even Gregory Campbell semi threaten Nolan with the big reveal of the world's worst kept secret on live TV
That particular 'secret' is not the one Nolan is worried about being revealed...
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 29, 2022, 03:10:59 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 29, 2022, 03:01:15 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 28, 2022, 08:00:54 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 28, 2022, 07:47:50 PM
The state of NI politics with the DUP and Shinners dominant is interesting and reminds me of an Adlai Stevenson quote.
During the session in the Assembly to remember Christopher Stalford the more erudite speeches came from the SDLP, Alliance and UUP benches.
Some of the Shinner and DUP MLAs were atrocious.
https://quotepark.com/authors/adlai-stevenson/?msclkid=2bffcc4baec711ec8f40b9148e2a3d31
The supposed response to a woman who called out to him: "Governor, you have the vote of every thinking person!" during one of his presidential campaigns. T
,,That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!"
The standard of politician across the board in the 6 counties is definitely not great. Very few of them could hold their own in a serious debate hence the reason why the same politicians are wheeled out time and time again. On the other hand when it comes to social media presence there are plenty of charlatans about.
It's about as good as the standard in Westminster or in the south.
Very poor political leadership in this part of the world currently.
But in saying all that, I think Mary-Lou is a credible politician.
Cant stand her
Huge if true
Quote from: red hander on March 29, 2022, 03:34:52 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on March 29, 2022, 01:05:01 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 29, 2022, 12:15:57 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 29, 2022, 11:50:17 AM
Is Bryson running?
Why does Nolan give him so much oxygen?
Rumour is Jamie knows something about Nolan's private life
Sure didn't even Gregory Campbell semi threaten Nolan with the big reveal of the world's worst kept secret on live TV
That particular 'secret' is not the one Nolan is worried about being revealed...
Do tell...........or allude. I don't think he posts here!
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 29, 2022, 03:01:15 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 28, 2022, 08:00:54 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 28, 2022, 07:47:50 PM
The state of NI politics with the DUP and Shinners dominant is interesting and reminds me of an Adlai Stevenson quote.
During the session in the Assembly to remember Christopher Stalford the more erudite speeches came from the SDLP, Alliance and UUP benches.
Some of the Shinner and DUP MLAs were atrocious.
https://quotepark.com/authors/adlai-stevenson/?msclkid=2bffcc4baec711ec8f40b9148e2a3d31
The supposed response to a woman who called out to him: "Governor, you have the vote of every thinking person!" during one of his presidential campaigns. T
,,That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!"
The standard of politician across the board in the 6 counties is definitely not great. Very few of them could hold their own in a serious debate hence the reason why the same politicians are wheeled out time and time again. On the other hand when it comes to social media presence there are plenty of charlatans about.
It's about as good as the standard in Westminster or in the south.
Very poor political leadership in this part of the world currently.
But in saying all that, I think Mary-Lou is a credible politician.
It's worse.
The Assembly has around 100 MLAs with 1/3 of the population of the South and 1/40th of the UK.
For quality control if should only have about 50 MLAs.
The DUP infantry are awful.
It is a bit of a carve up of money. Nowhere near as many needed.
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 01:59:17 PM
I think McGrath has done enough in the area since the last election to warrant a seat, Paddy Brown is a good worker as well. Mason is also a good worker but people are not happy with how SF handled the Rogan not attendance.
What's the story with Rogan?
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 29, 2022, 07:04:39 PM
Quote from: red hander on March 29, 2022, 03:34:52 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on March 29, 2022, 01:05:01 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 29, 2022, 12:15:57 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 29, 2022, 11:50:17 AM
Is Bryson running?
Why does Nolan give him so much oxygen?
Rumour is Jamie knows something about Nolan's private life
Sure didn't even Gregory Campbell semi threaten Nolan with the big reveal of the world's worst kept secret on live TV
That particular 'secret' is not the one Nolan is worried about being revealed...
Do tell...........or allude. I don't think he posts here!
Bump
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 29, 2022, 07:04:39 PM
Quote from: red hander on March 29, 2022, 03:34:52 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on March 29, 2022, 01:05:01 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 29, 2022, 12:15:57 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 29, 2022, 11:50:17 AM
Is Bryson running?
Why does Nolan give him so much oxygen?
Rumour is Jamie knows something about Nolan's private life
Sure didn't even Gregory Campbell semi threaten Nolan with the big reveal of the world's worst kept secret on live TV
That particular 'secret' is not the one Nolan is worried about being revealed...
Do tell...........or allude. I don't think he posts here!
Are there photos involved?
The DUP surely can't win first place so they would then have to concede the position of First Minister.
This would presumably be followed by months of political theatre.
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on March 29, 2022, 11:20:04 PM
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are.
Yeah, that's my take on it this past 6 months or so. The DUP haven't committed to it and I don't think, afaik, that Beattie hasn't said he'd go in a dfm to a nationalist.
That's unionism at its core value - not wanting or recognising nationalists as equals. Everything else is a sideshow.
That's what, whern everything is stripped back, is what it's all about.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on March 29, 2022, 11:20:04 PM
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are.
A feeling of superiority over the Taigs is the only thing a lot of DUP voters have. Plus the party is happy to scare the shit out out of them regularly.
If the Shinners get First Minister the psychological losses are significant.
The Protocol has been whipped into a frenzy even though the Brits have given up on it.
Quote from: seafoid on March 30, 2022, 08:34:17 AM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on March 29, 2022, 11:20:04 PM
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are.
A feeling of superiority over the Taigs is the only thing a lot of DUP voters have. Plus the party is happy to scare the shit out out of them regularly.
If the Shinners get First Minister the psychological losses are significant.
The Protocol has been whipped into a frenzy even though the Brits have given up on it.
With that ballbag Lewis's announcement re: the irish language act, the protocol will be second fiddle to the DUP not wanting to form an executive.
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 08:54:50 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 30, 2022, 08:34:17 AM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on March 29, 2022, 11:20:04 PM
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are.
A feeling of superiority over the Taigs is the only thing a lot of DUP voters have. Plus the party is happy to scare the shit out out of them regularly.
If the Shinners get First Minister the psychological losses are significant.
The Protocol has been whipped into a frenzy even though the Brits have given up on it.
With that ballbag Lewis's announcement re: the irish language act, the protocol will be second fiddle to the DUP not wanting to form an executive.
The Torys certainly don't want a SF First Minister so legislating for the Irish Language Act or whatever the overarching legislation would have been seen as a win for SF so it was never going to happen in the mouth of this election.
Tory's gonna Tory.
Quote from: Snapchap on March 29, 2022, 03:54:11 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 29, 2022, 03:10:59 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 29, 2022, 03:01:15 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 28, 2022, 08:00:54 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 28, 2022, 07:47:50 PM
The state of NI politics with the DUP and Shinners dominant is interesting and reminds me of an Adlai Stevenson quote.
During the session in the Assembly to remember Christopher Stalford the more erudite speeches came from the SDLP, Alliance and UUP benches.
Some of the Shinner and DUP MLAs were atrocious.
https://quotepark.com/authors/adlai-stevenson/?msclkid=2bffcc4baec711ec8f40b9148e2a3d31
The supposed response to a woman who called out to him: "Governor, you have the vote of every thinking person!" during one of his presidential campaigns. T
,,That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!"
The standard of politician across the board in the 6 counties is definitely not great. Very few of them could hold their own in a serious debate hence the reason why the same politicians are wheeled out time and time again. On the other hand when it comes to social media presence there are plenty of charlatans about.
It's about as good as the standard in Westminster or in the south.
Very poor political leadership in this part of the world currently.
But in saying all that, I think Mary-Lou is a credible politician.
Cant stand her
Huge if true
BREAKING: Fear does not like Mary-Lou.
More on this developing story as we get it...
Watching some footage on the news about the day Stormont was prorogued.A crowd of 100,000 marched on Stormont and in Belfast City centre. 2 guys were interviewed 'they're just giving into the IRA, them'uns get everything'. 'We've been sold out. Sold down the river'.
50 years on the rhetoric is the same, but the marchers now number less than 1,000
Quote from: johnnycool on March 30, 2022, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 08:54:50 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 30, 2022, 08:34:17 AM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on March 29, 2022, 11:20:04 PM
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are.
A feeling of superiority over the Taigs is the only thing a lot of DUP voters have. Plus the party is happy to scare the shit out out of them regularly.
If the Shinners get First Minister the psychological losses are significant.
The Protocol has been whipped into a frenzy even though the Brits have given up on it.
With that ballbag Lewis's announcement re: the irish language act, the protocol will be second fiddle to the DUP not wanting to form an executive.
The Torys certainly don't want a SF First Minister so legislating for the Irish Language Act or whatever the overarching legislation would have been seen as a win for SF so it was never going to happen in the mouth of this election.
Tory's gonna Tory.
A SF FM in 2022 would be highly significant considering there was only ever 1 Nationalist minister in the old Stormont.
The Unionists were the big losers in the following years.
A hurl should be added to the Carson statue.
Quote from: seafoid on March 30, 2022, 10:22:47 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 30, 2022, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 08:54:50 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 30, 2022, 08:34:17 AM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on March 29, 2022, 11:20:04 PM
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are.
A feeling of superiority over the Taigs is the only thing a lot of DUP voters have. Plus the party is happy to scare the shit out out of them regularly.
If the Shinners get First Minister the psychological losses are significant.
The Protocol has been whipped into a frenzy even though the Brits have given up on it.
With that ballbag Lewis's announcement re: the irish language act, the protocol will be second fiddle to the DUP not wanting to form an executive.
The Torys certainly don't want a SF First Minister so legislating for the Irish Language Act or whatever the overarching legislation would have been seen as a win for SF so it was never going to happen in the mouth of this election.
Tory's gonna Tory.
A SF FM in 2022 would be highly significant considering there was only ever 1 Nationalist minister in the old Stormont.
The Unionists were the big losers in the following years.
A hurl should be added to the Carson statue.
Was up that way on Saturday after taking the kids to the Mo Mowlan play park and former Trinity hurler Carson would look well with a sliotar and hurl in those outstretched hands..
Such an image exists. O'Neills issued a lovely jersey featuring Carson holding a Hurley the time the Poc Fada was at stormont
Upper Bann could be interesting, I wouldn't be surprised if Eoin Tennyson takes a seat at the expense of Diane Dodds.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on March 30, 2022, 03:41:54 PM
Such an image exists. O'Neills issued a lovely jersey featuring Carson holding a Hurley the time the Poc Fada was at stormont
Poor old Carson's Protestant State for a Protestant people didn't last as long as he thought it would
Susan McKay kicks the DUP up and down the road in this Guardian piece: https://t.co/h8v6FFn4mQ
Quote from: johnnycool on March 30, 2022, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 08:54:50 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 30, 2022, 08:34:17 AM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on March 29, 2022, 11:20:04 PM
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are.
A feeling of superiority over the Taigs is the only thing a lot of DUP voters have. Plus the party is happy to scare the shit out out of them regularly.
If the Shinners get First Minister the psychological losses are significant.
The Protocol has been whipped into a frenzy even though the Brits have given up on it.
With that ballbag Lewis's announcement re: the irish language act, the protocol will be second fiddle to the DUP not wanting to form an executive.
The Torys certainly don't want a SF First Minister so legislating for the Irish Language Act or whatever the overarching legislation would have been seen as a win for SF so it was never going to happen in the mouth of this election.
Tory's gonna Tory.
You have to admit though that the Tory government has already introduced progressive constitutional changes in NI, ignoring the squeals emanating from unionists/creationists. It's not wise to introduce divisive legislation before an election such as the language act, even though opposition to it is baseless and purely sectarian.
Quote from: Snapchap on March 29, 2022, 03:54:11 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 29, 2022, 03:10:59 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 29, 2022, 03:01:15 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 28, 2022, 08:00:54 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 28, 2022, 07:47:50 PM
The state of NI politics with the DUP and Shinners dominant is interesting and reminds me of an Adlai Stevenson quote.
During the session in the Assembly to remember Christopher Stalford the more erudite speeches came from the SDLP, Alliance and UUP benches.
Some of the Shinner and DUP MLAs were atrocious.
https://quotepark.com/authors/adlai-stevenson/?msclkid=2bffcc4baec711ec8f40b9148e2a3d31
The supposed response to a woman who called out to him: "Governor, you have the vote of every thinking person!" during one of his presidential campaigns. T
,,That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!"
The standard of politician across the board in the 6 counties is definitely not great. Very few of them could hold their own in a serious debate hence the reason why the same politicians are wheeled out time and time again. On the other hand when it comes to social media presence there are plenty of charlatans about.
It's about as good as the standard in Westminster or in the south.
Very poor political leadership in this part of the world currently.
But in saying all that, I think Mary-Lou is a credible politician.
Cant stand her
Huge if true
LOLZ
Quote from: Main Street on March 31, 2022, 01:36:37 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 30, 2022, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 08:54:50 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 30, 2022, 08:34:17 AM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on March 29, 2022, 11:20:04 PM
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are.
A feeling of superiority over the Taigs is the only thing a lot of DUP voters have. Plus the party is happy to scare the shit out out of them regularly.
If the Shinners get First Minister the psychological losses are significant.
The Protocol has been whipped into a frenzy even though the Brits have given up on it.
With that ballbag Lewis's announcement re: the irish language act, the protocol will be second fiddle to the DUP not wanting to form an executive.
The Torys certainly don't want a SF First Minister so legislating for the Irish Language Act or whatever the overarching legislation would have been seen as a win for SF so it was never going to happen in the mouth of this election.
Tory's gonna Tory.
You have to admit though that the Tory government has already introduced progressive constitutional changes in NI, ignoring the squeals emanating from unionists/creationists. It's not wise to introduce divisive legislation before an election such as the language act, even though opposition to it is baseless and purely sectarian.
I think the issue is that he promised it back in October '21, well before the election date.
I'd say Lewis will not be back in post after the election.
Quote from: marty34 on March 31, 2022, 08:27:42 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 31, 2022, 01:36:37 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 30, 2022, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 08:54:50 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 30, 2022, 08:34:17 AM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on March 29, 2022, 11:20:04 PM
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are.
A feeling of superiority over the Taigs is the only thing a lot of DUP voters have. Plus the party is happy to scare the shit out out of them regularly.
If the Shinners get First Minister the psychological losses are significant.
The Protocol has been whipped into a frenzy even though the Brits have given up on it.
With that ballbag Lewis's announcement re: the irish language act, the protocol will be second fiddle to the DUP not wanting to form an executive.
The Torys certainly don't want a SF First Minister so legislating for the Irish Language Act or whatever the overarching legislation would have been seen as a win for SF so it was never going to happen in the mouth of this election.
Tory's gonna Tory.
You have to admit though that the Tory government has already introduced progressive constitutional changes in NI, ignoring the squeals emanating from unionists/creationists. It's not wise to introduce divisive legislation before an election such as the language act, even though opposition to it is baseless and purely sectarian.
I think the issue is that he promised it back in October '21, well before the election date.
I'd say Lewis will not be back in post after the election.
You would actively think they are trying to play into SF hands at this stage.
What perfect ammo for them in the run up to an election, the British Government still breaking promises to the people of the north.
Quote from: NAG1 on March 31, 2022, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: marty34 on March 31, 2022, 08:27:42 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 31, 2022, 01:36:37 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 30, 2022, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 08:54:50 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 30, 2022, 08:34:17 AM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on March 29, 2022, 11:20:04 PM
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are.
A feeling of superiority over the Taigs is the only thing a lot of DUP voters have. Plus the party is happy to scare the shit out out of them regularly.
If the Shinners get First Minister the psychological losses are significant.
The Protocol has been whipped into a frenzy even though the Brits have given up on it.
With that ballbag Lewis's announcement re: the irish language act, the protocol will be second fiddle to the DUP not wanting to form an executive.
The Torys certainly don't want a SF First Minister so legislating for the Irish Language Act or whatever the overarching legislation would have been seen as a win for SF so it was never going to happen in the mouth of this election.
Tory's gonna Tory.
You have to admit though that the Tory government has already introduced progressive constitutional changes in NI, ignoring the squeals emanating from unionists/creationists. It's not wise to introduce divisive legislation before an election such as the language act, even though opposition to it is baseless and purely sectarian.
I think the issue is that he promised it back in October '21, well before the election date.
I'd say Lewis will not be back in post after the election.
You would actively think they are trying to play into SF hands at this stage.
What perfect ammo for them in the run up to an election, the British Government still breaking promises to the people of the north.
The ILA was lose lose for the DUP even though they agreed it and Ian O'g trying to spin it that the Shinners had an issue with the word "British" for the Ulster Scots/British Culture Commissioner is the reason for the hold up.
Lewis pushes it through WM, it's deemed to be to the Shinners favour as they "delivered" it even though they have always kinda had it on the back burner for long enough and by not legislating for it before this Assembly election it'll invigorate the nationalist vote to come out and bloody the nose of unionism by having a SF first minister.
If the DUP are the so called experts of strategy then they're hiding it well or we're in for a huge surprise in May..
The DUP are paying for Brexit. The Protocol cannot make up the difference.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 30, 2022, 04:01:31 PM
Upper Bann could be interesting, I wouldn't be surprised if Eoin Tennyson takes a seat at the expense of Diane Dodds.
Upper Bann is a classic case of why everyone should vote down the ballot paper. If you are a SF or SDLP voter you must give a lower preference vote to Alliance, because there is a good chance that the Alliance candidate could knock out the execrable Diane Dodds of the DUP.
Even if you are not a fan of Alliance, your transfer will only go to them after your preferred candidate is either elected or eliminated.
Quote from: Feckitt on March 31, 2022, 12:25:43 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 30, 2022, 04:01:31 PM
Upper Bann could be interesting, I wouldn't be surprised if Eoin Tennyson takes a seat at the expense of Diane Dodds.
Upper Bann is a classic case of why everyone should vote down the ballot paper. If you are a SF or SDLP voter you must give a lower preference vote to Alliance, because there is a good chance that the Alliance candidate could knock out the execrable Diane Dodds of the DUP.
Even if you are not a fan of Alliance, your transfer will only go to them after your preferred candidate is either elected or eliminated.
Yeah, I think a lot of people don't understand that you should go all the way down the paper and give a preference to the candiates you like/agree with and then stop at the people who you're not giving a preference to.
Quote from: marty34 on March 31, 2022, 12:41:36 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on March 31, 2022, 12:25:43 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 30, 2022, 04:01:31 PM
Upper Bann could be interesting, I wouldn't be surprised if Eoin Tennyson takes a seat at the expense of Diane Dodds.
Upper Bann is a classic case of why everyone should vote down the ballot paper. If you are a SF or SDLP voter you must give a lower preference vote to Alliance, because there is a good chance that the Alliance candidate could knock out the execrable Diane Dodds of the DUP.
Even if you are not a fan of Alliance, your transfer will only go to them after your preferred candidate is either elected or eliminated.
Yeah, I think a lot of people don't understand that you should go all the way down the paper and give a preference to the candiates you like/agree with and then stop at the people who you're not giving a preference to.
Yeah have heard plenty of examples of that myself, try and put as many numbers down as possible (obviously none to DUP/UUP/TUV)
I gave 10th or 11th preference to Buchanan the DUP candidate in mid ulster who wasn't Mccrea. I thought the DUP will have 1 seat no matter what, might as well not be mccrea.
Buchanan beat McCrea by a handle of votes and hasn't been seen since.
It pays to go right down the ballot folks.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on March 30, 2022, 04:55:50 PM
Susan McKay kicks the DUP up and down the road in this Guardian piece: https://t.co/h8v6FFn4mQ
Good article
Reminded me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY2FgX6dhCc&t=7s
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 31, 2022, 12:47:01 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 31, 2022, 12:41:36 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on March 31, 2022, 12:25:43 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 30, 2022, 04:01:31 PM
Upper Bann could be interesting, I wouldn't be surprised if Eoin Tennyson takes a seat at the expense of Diane Dodds.
Upper Bann is a classic case of why everyone should vote down the ballot paper. If you are a SF or SDLP voter you must give a lower preference vote to Alliance, because there is a good chance that the Alliance candidate could knock out the execrable Diane Dodds of the DUP.
Even if you are not a fan of Alliance, your transfer will only go to them after your preferred candidate is either elected or eliminated.
Yeah, I think a lot of people don't understand that you should go all the way down the paper and give a preference to the candiates you like/agree with and then stop at the people who you're not giving a preference to.
Yeah have heard plenty of examples of that myself, try and put as many numbers down as possible (obviously none to DUP/UUP/TUV)
I always went all the way down, including expressing a preference between themmuns. I once took great pleasure in giving Paisley the last preference in a European election. If you go all the way down, including DUP/TUV, that will never hurt one of your more preferred candidates, because the candidates at the bottom of your list will not get your vote until all your more preferred candidates have either been elected or eliminated.
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch. Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.
Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up. Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017. The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat. He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it. Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected. Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure. Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.
Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.
Hard to predict what'll happen here. If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day. But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.
Prediction: 2 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 31, 2022, 12:58:48 PM
I gave 10th or 11th preference to Buchanan the DUP candidate in mid ulster who wasn't Mccrea. I thought the DUP will have 1 seat no matter what, might as well not be mccrea.
Buchanan beat McCrea by a handle of votes and hasn't been seen since.
It pays to go right down the ballot folks.
Yeah, I think the premise of it is you are pushing the people who don't give a preference to further and further away.
Quote from: Pub Bore on March 31, 2022, 02:08:23 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch. Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.
Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up. Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017. The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat. He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it. Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected. Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure. Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.
Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.
Hard to predict what'll happen here. If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day. But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.
Prediction: 2 SF, DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.
I'd love to see Alliance get a seat but I just can't see it - hope I'm wrong
FST is certainly somewhere where Alliance should be pushing for more exposure though, as having lived there for many years I found most people I encountered to be fairly moderate when it comes to politics and things of that nature
Quote from: Pub Bore on March 31, 2022, 02:08:23 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch. Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.
Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up. Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017. The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat. He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it. Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected. Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure. Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.
Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.
Hard to predict what'll happen here. If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day. But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.
Prediction: 2 SF, DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.
Big turn out that at over 70%.
You'd think that Elliot will get enough to get over the line - with two candidates there, I'm sure it'll be a dogfight over areas etc. especially when they both realise there"ll be more than likely only one seat.
Be interesting to see how the TUV do overall - will they get anybody else than wee Jim elected? He still seems to be big buddies with the DUP. I thought a few months ago that he'd be full on blaming them for the Brexit/Protocol mess but he hasn't - still cosying up to them.
Hard to know how Alliance will do, especially west of the Bann and also, if the UUP will take some of their votes not Beattie has distanced himself from the rabble rousing platforms.
I didn't know that Emma De S. is standing as an independent in tbat area. Can't see her getting much traction without being in a party. She'd be high profile enough.
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Quote from: Pub Bore on March 31, 2022, 02:08:23 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch. Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.
Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up. Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017. The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat. He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it. Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected. Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure. Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.
Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.
Hard to predict what'll happen here. If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day. But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.
Prediction: 2 SF, DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.
I'd love to see Alliance get a seat but I just can't see it - hope I'm wrong
FST is certainly somewhere where Alliance should be pushing for more exposure though, as having lived there for many years I found most people I encountered to be fairly moderate when it comes to politics and things of that nature
Cute hoors. They elected 3 SF and 1 DUP last time. ;)
Quote from: Pub Bore on March 31, 2022, 02:54:29 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on March 31, 2022, 02:27:58 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on March 31, 2022, 02:08:23 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch. Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.
Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up. Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017. The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat. He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it. Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected. Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure. Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.
Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.
Hard to predict what'll happen here. If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day. But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.
Prediction: 2 SF, DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.
I'd love to see Alliance get a seat but I just can't see it - hope I'm wrong
FST is certainly somewhere where Alliance should be pushing for more exposure though, as having lived there for many years I found most people I encountered to be fairly moderate when it comes to politics and things of that nature
Cute hoors. They elected 3 SF and 1 DUP last time. ;)
you all know that alliance are unionists and committed to the status quo??? ::)
neverneverland incoming again on may 5th
If you give someone a very low preference they could still get your vote on a transfer.
Leave those you don't like blank and they can never get it.
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on March 31, 2022, 02:57:43 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on March 31, 2022, 02:54:29 PM
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Quote from: Pub Bore on March 31, 2022, 02:08:23 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch. Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.
Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up. Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017. The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat. He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it. Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected. Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure. Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.
Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.
Hard to predict what'll happen here. If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day. But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.
Prediction: 2 SF, DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.
I'd love to see Alliance get a seat but I just can't see it - hope I'm wrong
FST is certainly somewhere where Alliance should be pushing for more exposure though, as having lived there for many years I found most people I encountered to be fairly moderate when it comes to politics and things of that nature
Cute hoors. They elected 3 SF and 1 DUP last time. ;)
you all know that alliance are unionists and committed to the status quo??? ::)
neverneverland incoming again on may 5th
They are getting quite a big pale green vote these days but I agree they are essentially pro status quo or unionist. A border poll would certainly be interesting to see what Alliance do
Quote from: Pub Bore on March 31, 2022, 02:08:23 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch. Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.
Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up. Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017. The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat. He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it. Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected. Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure. Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.
Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.
Hard to predict what'll happen here. If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day. But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.
Prediction: 2 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.
Good constituency Profile Pub Bore. But I don't think Alliance can win here. There should be 1 DUP, 1 UUP, 2 SF and the final seat will be between the 3rd SF candidate and the SDLP
Quote from: Feckitt on March 31, 2022, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on March 31, 2022, 02:08:23 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch. Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.
Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up. Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017. The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat. He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it. Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected. Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure. Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.
Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.
Hard to predict what'll happen here. If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day. But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.
Prediction: 2 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.
Good constituency Profile Pub Bore. But I don't think Alliance can win here. There should be 1 DUP, 1 UUP, 2 SF and the final seat will be between the 3rd SF candidate and the SDLP
Not certain but i think the UUP got in the last time due to the vote for Colm get Mike campain.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on March 31, 2022, 03:25:28 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on March 31, 2022, 02:57:43 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on March 31, 2022, 02:54:29 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on March 31, 2022, 02:27:58 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on March 31, 2022, 02:08:23 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch. Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.
Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up. Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017. The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat. He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it. Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected. Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure. Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.
Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.
Hard to predict what'll happen here. If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day. But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.
Prediction: 2 SF, DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.
I'd love to see Alliance get a seat but I just can't see it - hope I'm wrong
FST is certainly somewhere where Alliance should be pushing for more exposure though, as having lived there for many years I found most people I encountered to be fairly moderate when it comes to politics and things of that nature
Cute hoors. They elected 3 SF and 1 DUP last time. ;)
you all know that alliance are unionists and committed to the status quo??? ::)
neverneverland incoming again on may 5th
They are getting quite a big pale green vote these days but I agree they are essentially pro status quo or unionist. A border poll would certainly be interesting to see what Alliance do
Certainly would. I wonder would they end up like Labour on Brexit and fall to shite with no clear policy one way or the other.
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Quote from: Feckitt on March 31, 2022, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on March 31, 2022, 02:08:23 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch. Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.
Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up. Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017. The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat. He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it. Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected. Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure. Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.
Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.
Hard to predict what'll happen here. If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day. But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.
Prediction: 2 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.
Good constituency Profile Pub Bore. But I don't think Alliance can win here. There should be 1 DUP, 1 UUP, 2 SF and the final seat will be between the 3rd SF candidate and the SDLP
Not certain but i think the UUP got in the last time due to the vote for Colm get Mike campain.
Yes, more than 33% of the SDLP transfers that day went to Rosemary Barton (UUP). This actually led to Maurice Morrow of the DUP failing to get elected.
Quote from: Pub Bore on March 31, 2022, 04:56:45 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on March 31, 2022, 04:11:49 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on March 31, 2022, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on March 31, 2022, 02:08:23 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch. Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.
Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up. Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017. The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat. He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it. Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected. Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure. Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.
Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.
Hard to predict what'll happen here. If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day. But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.
Prediction: 2 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.
Good constituency Profile Pub Bore. But I don't think Alliance can win here. There should be 1 DUP, 1 UUP, 2 SF and the final seat will be between the 3rd SF candidate and the SDLP
Not certain but i think the UUP got in the last time due to the vote for Colm get Mike campain.
Yes, more than 33% of the SDLP transfers that day went to Rosemary Barton (UUP). This actually led to Maurice Morrow of the DUP failing to get elected.
Not a problem for that bigot. They just gave him a wee ermine cloak so he could join Lady Ritchie at the British Establishment's top trough.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on March 31, 2022, 03:25:28 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on March 31, 2022, 02:57:43 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on March 31, 2022, 02:54:29 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on March 31, 2022, 02:27:58 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on March 31, 2022, 02:08:23 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch. Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.
Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up. Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017. The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat. He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it. Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected. Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure. Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.
Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.
Hard to predict what'll happen here. If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day. But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.
Prediction: 2 SF, DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.
I'd love to see Alliance get a seat but I just can't see it - hope I'm wrong
FST is certainly somewhere where Alliance should be pushing for more exposure though, as having lived there for many years I found most people I encountered to be fairly moderate when it comes to politics and things of that nature
Cute hoors. They elected 3 SF and 1 DUP last time. ;)
you all know that alliance are unionists and committed to the status quo??? ::)
neverneverland incoming again on may 5th
They are getting quite a big pale green vote these days but I agree they are essentially pro status quo or unionist. A border poll would certainly be interesting to see what Alliance do
Yeah, Alliance will have to go one way or the other.
I think Long was quizzed on this a few times re: would they be in favour of a border but didn't commit. Or maybe their designation?
They'll have to do it sometime soon - can't keep going on. Only get so far like that.
Presumably they will wait till SofS calls such a poll?
Then let their members vote as they see fit?
Then accept the result?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2022, 06:35:54 PM
Presumably they will wait till SofS calls such a poll?
Then let their members vote as they see fit?
Then accept the result?
Cop out.
They were against Brexit and voted accordingly.
Need to let voters know where they stand.
Quote from: marty34 on March 31, 2022, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2022, 06:35:54 PM
Presumably they will wait till SofS calls such a poll?
Then let their members vote as they see fit?
Then accept the result?
Cop out.
They were against Brexit and voted accordingly.
Need to let voters know where they stand.
They don't really as there is no proposal for a "Border poll" and only the SofS can call it.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2022, 08:59:02 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 31, 2022, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2022, 06:35:54 PM
Presumably they will wait till SofS calls such a poll?
Then let their members vote as they see fit?
Then accept the result?
Cop out.
They were against Brexit and voted accordingly.
Need to let voters know where they stand.
They don't really as there is no proposal for a "Border poll" and only the SofS can call it.
There probably won't be a border poll until a large enough majority of 26 county voters are in favour and the thing has been properly planned and costed.
Brexit shows how not to do it.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2022, 08:59:02 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 31, 2022, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2022, 06:35:54 PM
Presumably they will wait till SofS calls such a poll?
Then let their members vote as they see fit?
Then accept the result?
Cop out.
They were against Brexit and voted accordingly.
Need to let voters know where they stand.
They don't really as there is no proposal for a "Border poll" and only the SofS can call it.
Do they not? Not get a lot of tranfers in next few elections unless they commit to say where they stand. Quite simple really.
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Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2022, 08:59:02 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 31, 2022, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2022, 06:35:54 PM
Presumably they will wait till SofS calls such a poll?
Then let their members vote as they see fit?
Then accept the result?
Cop out.
They were against Brexit and voted accordingly.
Need to let voters know where they stand.
They don't really as there is no proposal for a "Border poll" and only the SofS can call it.
There probably won't be a border poll until a large enough majority of 26 county voters are in favour and the thing has been properly planned and costed.
Brexit shows how not to do it.
Definately no chance if MM and LV keep spouting their usual waffle about...it' was divisive 2 years ago, it was divisive 6 months ago and it'll be divisive in 12 months time.
Planned properly and costed....the Children's Hospital anybody?
Could Marty be a Shinner ;D :D
Alliance say nothing about a "Border poll".... they'll get transfers from all sides.
Alliance come out and say they're in favour of a "Border poll " they'll lose out on about 60% of transfers.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2022, 09:20:08 AM
Could Marty be a Shinner ;D :D
Alliance say nothing about a "Border poll".... they'll get transfers from all sides.
Alliance come out and say they're in favour of a "Border poll " they'll lose out on about 60% of transfers.
Why would they come out either way?
They'll stick with the fence sitting stuff for as long as possible.
SDLP wanted a border poll after Brexit, are they still wanting one?
Shinners want one every week FFS..
Timing is key and as someone else rightly pointed out Brexit was a blueprint for what not to do albeit those pushing the Brexit poll knew only too well to keep the truth well out of the way and go with lies and nationalistic slogans based on lies.
SF want to get rid of South Belfast now??!!
Read the room lads jesus!
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2022, 09:20:08 AM
Could Marty be a Shinner ;D :D
Alliance say nothing about a "Border poll".... they'll get transfers from all sides.
Alliance come out and say they're in favour of a "Border poll " they'll lose out on about 60% of transfers.
Could rossfan be FF/FG?
As stated previously, Alliance will have to state where they stand - can't sit on the fence forever.
Quote from: marty34 on April 01, 2022, 09:56:11 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2022, 09:20:08 AM
Could Marty be a Shinner ;D :D
Alliance say nothing about a "Border poll".... they'll get transfers from all sides.
Alliance come out and say they're in favour of a "Border poll " they'll lose out on about 60% of transfers.
Could rossfan be FF/FG?
As stated previously, Alliance will have to state where they stand - can't sit on the fence forever.
They will have to at some point if a poll is called, but for now I'd say their best strategy is to sit on the fence and pick up transfers from both sides.
I know a comparison is to compare Alliance to Labour who sat on the fence too long regarding Brexit, but it may be in Alliance's best interests to sit on the fence and accept the result of a poll. They could lose too many voters one way or another declaring on either side.
Quote from: oakleaflad on April 01, 2022, 10:11:02 AM
I know a comparison is to compare Alliance to Labour who sat on the fence too long regarding Brexit, but it may be in Alliance's best interests to sit on the fence and accept the result of a poll. They could lose too many voters one way or another declaring on either side.
They'll have nowhere to hide if a borderpoll does happen, they'll be torn to shreds by both sides if they sit on the fence.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2022, 10:16:56 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on April 01, 2022, 10:11:02 AM
I know a comparison is to compare Alliance to Labour who sat on the fence too long regarding Brexit, but it may be in Alliance's best interests to sit on the fence and accept the result of a poll. They could lose too many voters one way or another declaring on either side.
They'll have nowhere to hide if a borderpoll does happen, they'll be torn to shreds by both sides if they sit on the fence.
I can't imagine they will get to wait for that. There's a election coming. If you think this won't be a key discussion in the run in to it for Alliance, your crazy. Both SF and DUP will be pushing them on this in the hope they pull back voters. The DUP in particular. They can try and sit on the fence but I think that would certainly lose them voters from the Unionist side who will want to see a commitment to the Union.
Quote from: screenexile on April 01, 2022, 09:32:48 AM
SF want to get rid of South Belfast now??!!
Read the room lads jesus!
Saw that had to laugh at Murphy saying you need to look at the bigger picture. I'm sure he wouldn't be saying that if a SF seat was for the axe. Any proposal is difficult but the eastern unionist seats have much smaller populations so start there. If SB did go the one plus side is it would almost certainly end the chance of any Unionist holding one of the remaining 3 Belfast seats
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2022, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2022, 10:16:56 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on April 01, 2022, 10:11:02 AM
I know a comparison is to compare Alliance to Labour who sat on the fence too long regarding Brexit, but it may be in Alliance's best interests to sit on the fence and accept the result of a poll. They could lose too many voters one way or another declaring on either side.
They'll have nowhere to hide if a borderpoll does happen, they'll be torn to shreds by both sides if they sit on the fence.
I can't imagine they will get to wait for that. There's a election coming. If you think this won't be a key discussion in the run in to it for Alliance, your crazy. Both SF and DUP will be pushing them on this in the hope they pull back voters. The DUP in particular. They can try and sit on the fence but I think that would certainly lose them voters from the Unionist side who will want to see a commitment to the Union.
They've managed to avoid it so far and I'd say this time they'll dismiss any talk of a border poll fairly easily by saying voters care more about the state of the health service and by the disgustingly high cost of living and play to the narrative of look at the DUP and Shinners arguing over the same Orange vs Green shite, vote for us and we'll solve everything.
Interesting that only the 2 obvious Shinners here are calling for Alliance to declare where they stand on a hypothetical "Border poll".
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2022, 11:25:59 AM
Interesting that only the 2 obvious Shinners here are calling for Alliance to declare where they stand on a hypothetical "Border poll".
How do you think your FF/FG mates will fare out in this election? Oh wait.....
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2022, 11:25:59 AM
Interesting that only the 2 obvious Shinners here are calling for Alliance to declare where they stand on a hypothetical "Border poll".
Why is that "interesting"?
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As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch. Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.
Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up. Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017. The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat. He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it. Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected. Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure. Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.
Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.
Hard to predict what'll happen here. If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day. But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.
Prediction: 2 SF, DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.
I'd love to see Alliance get a seat but I just can't see it - hope I'm wrong
FST is certainly somewhere where Alliance should be pushing for more exposure though, as having lived there for many years I found most people I encountered to be fairly moderate when it comes to politics and things of that nature
Cute hoors. They elected 3 SF and 1 DUP last time. ;)
you all know that alliance are unionists and committed to the status quo??? ::)
neverneverland incoming again on may 5th
They are getting quite a big pale green vote these days but I agree they are essentially pro status quo or unionist. A border poll would certainly be interesting to see what Alliance do
Yeah, Alliance will have to go one way or the other.
I think Long was quizzed on this a few times re: would they be in favour of a border but didn't commit. Or maybe their designation?
They'll have to do it sometime soon - can't keep going on. Only get so far like that.
My original general message about Alliance.
Rossfan manages to turn it into a SF rant.
#obessed
Most of the 6 Co posters here agreed with me that Alliance don't need to say anything about a hypothetical "Border poll".
2 posters say they have to take a position.
Only 1 party that I'm aware of talking a lot about a "Border poll".
I see Joe Brolly throwing his spake in.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2022, 11:25:59 AM
Interesting that only the 2 obvious Shinners here are calling for Alliance to declare where they stand on a hypothetical "Border poll".
Who were the two?
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2022, 12:37:23 PM
Most of the 6 Co posters here agreed with me that Alliance don't need to say anything about a hypothetical "Border poll".
2 posters say they have to take a position.
Only 1 party that I'm aware of talking a lot about a "Border poll".
I see Joe Brolly throwing his spake in.
I agree that it's not the most pressing issue in this election. But the day is fast approaching where it will be an issue, surely unless anyone but a totally blinkered Jim Allister style clown can see that. They'll have to take a side then I reckon or be torn to bits because a border poll will be the biggest issue in 100 years on this island. Anyway all immaterial to this election.
If they state a position it will rule out us ones or them ones so others are trying to draw them out. They don't have to state their position but it would be interesting to hear them open up about it.
These people calling for a border poll, if one occurred and we obviously lose, cause no-one on Sinn Fein passed maths it seems. When excately would the 2nd one be? Or are u in the Scotland situation where they gearing to go again if allowed 10yrs after the last, only the situation changed and they lose again. If we won the poll on 2nd attempt, is there another poll down the line after that one to rejoin the UK, if we don't like the pup we been soon and discovered it was all Boris like promises?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 01, 2022, 01:06:46 PM
These people calling for a border poll, if one occurred and we obviously lose, cause no-one on Sinn Fein passed maths it seems. When excately would the 2nd one be? Or are u in the Scotland situation where they gearing to go again if allowed 10yrs after the last, only the situation changed and they lose again. If we won the poll on 2nd attempt, is there another poll down the line after that one to rejoin the UK, if we don't like the pup we been soon and discovered it was all Boris like promises?
What do you propose then? A border poll next year would be very, very close!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 01, 2022, 01:06:46 PM
These people calling for a border poll, if one occurred and we obviously lose, cause no-one on Sinn Fein passed maths it seems.
That's just a misrepresentation. SF aren't calling for a border poll to happen today. Or tomorrow. They are lobbying for the governments, particularly the southern one, to plan for the eventuality of the an inevitable poll.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 01, 2022, 01:06:46 PM
When exactly would the 2nd one be? Or are u in the Scotland situation where they gearing to go again if allowed 10yrs after the last, only the situation changed and they lose again. If we won the poll on 2nd attempt, is there another poll down the line after that one to rejoin the UK, if we don't like the pup we been soon and discovered it was all Boris like promises?
The next one will be no less than 7 years after the first. As per the GFA. I don't think it will come to that myself. The Brits wont grant a border poll until they can't credibly deny that the result is a foregone conclusion.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2022, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2022, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2022, 10:16:56 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on April 01, 2022, 10:11:02 AM
I know a comparison is to compare Alliance to Labour who sat on the fence too long regarding Brexit, but it may be in Alliance's best interests to sit on the fence and accept the result of a poll. They could lose too many voters one way or another declaring on either side.
They'll have nowhere to hide if a borderpoll does happen, they'll be torn to shreds by both sides if they sit on the fence.
I can't imagine they will get to wait for that. There's a election coming. If you think this won't be a key discussion in the run in to it for Alliance, your crazy. Both SF and DUP will be pushing them on this in the hope they pull back voters. The DUP in particular. They can try and sit on the fence but I think that would certainly lose them voters from the Unionist side who will want to see a commitment to the Union.
They've managed to avoid it so far and I'd say this time they'll dismiss any talk of a border poll fairly easily by saying voters care more about the state of the health service and by the disgustingly high cost of living and play to the narrative of look at the DUP and Shinners arguing over the same Orange vs Green shite, vote for us and we'll solve everything.
Alliance can afford to sit on the fence in relation to a border poll as it's not having any traction either way with its support base. They'll keep pushing the jobs, education, health comes first mantra as that works for them.
If there is indeed a border poll IMO they don't have to commit either way and could sit it out so to speak and hope to gather up the pieces post border poll outcome.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 01, 2022, 03:24:18 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2022, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2022, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2022, 10:16:56 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on April 01, 2022, 10:11:02 AM
I know a comparison is to compare Alliance to Labour who sat on the fence too long regarding Brexit, but it may be in Alliance's best interests to sit on the fence and accept the result of a poll. They could lose too many voters one way or another declaring on either side.
They'll have nowhere to hide if a borderpoll does happen, they'll be torn to shreds by both sides if they sit on the fence.
I can't imagine they will get to wait for that. There's a election coming. If you think this won't be a key discussion in the run in to it for Alliance, your crazy. Both SF and DUP will be pushing them on this in the hope they pull back voters. The DUP in particular. They can try and sit on the fence but I think that would certainly lose them voters from the Unionist side who will want to see a commitment to the Union.
They've managed to avoid it so far and I'd say this time they'll dismiss any talk of a border poll fairly easily by saying voters care more about the state of the health service and by the disgustingly high cost of living and play to the narrative of look at the DUP and Shinners arguing over the same Orange vs Green shite, vote for us and we'll solve everything.
Alliance can afford to sit on the fence in relation to a border poll as it's not having any traction either way with its support base. They'll keep pushing the jobs, education, health comes first mantra as that works for them.
If there is indeed a border poll IMO they don't have to commit either way and could sit it out so to speak and hope to gather up the pieces post border poll outcome.
Given the way this place surely that should be the first priority?
Quote from: Taylor on April 01, 2022, 03:50:26 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 01, 2022, 03:24:18 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2022, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2022, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2022, 10:16:56 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on April 01, 2022, 10:11:02 AM
I know a comparison is to compare Alliance to Labour who sat on the fence too long regarding Brexit, but it may be in Alliance's best interests to sit on the fence and accept the result of a poll. They could lose too many voters one way or another declaring on either side.
They'll have nowhere to hide if a borderpoll does happen, they'll be torn to shreds by both sides if they sit on the fence.
I can't imagine they will get to wait for that. There's a election coming. If you think this won't be a key discussion in the run in to it for Alliance, your crazy. Both SF and DUP will be pushing them on this in the hope they pull back voters. The DUP in particular. They can try and sit on the fence but I think that would certainly lose them voters from the Unionist side who will want to see a commitment to the Union.
They've managed to avoid it so far and I'd say this time they'll dismiss any talk of a border poll fairly easily by saying voters care more about the state of the health service and by the disgustingly high cost of living and play to the narrative of look at the DUP and Shinners arguing over the same Orange vs Green shite, vote for us and we'll solve everything.
Alliance can afford to sit on the fence in relation to a border poll as it's not having any traction either way with its support base. They'll keep pushing the jobs, education, health comes first mantra as that works for them.
If there is indeed a border poll IMO they don't have to commit either way and could sit it out so to speak and hope to gather up the pieces post border poll outcome.
Given the way this place surely that should be the first priority?
In any normal society yes, most definitely, but then you've lunatics like the DUP making a fuss over the NI Protocol and pull down the Assembly because they now feel less British than Finchley and hinder said priorities as well as the Orange/Green question is never far away when these politicians are being interviewed by the local media..
The Shinners are deluded about a Border Poll, the DUP are deluded about the Protocol and NI meanwhile needs a new economic model and a hurling plan.
would a lost border poll mean dissidents become bigger would people say we cant achieve it democratically so we need to go back to force also with conspiracy culture big these days the losing side will accuse the other side of vote fraud we could see a situation where the likes of sammy say electon is rigged to stir up paramilitary forces.
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
They probably wont agree with go into stormont anyway so its a ghost election you could say.
Quote from: Eire90 on April 04, 2022, 07:02:53 PM
would a lost border poll mean dissidents become bigger would people say we cant achieve it democratically so we need to go back to force also with conspiracy culture big these days the losing side will accuse the other side of vote fraud we could see a situation where the likes of sammy say electon is rigged to stir up paramilitary forces.
Scotland had a very tight independence poll which was won by the Unionist side in 2014.
There hasn't been a rerun since.
Brexit was won 52-48 and has been a clusterfuck
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
+1 but will NEVER change.
Quote from: seafoid on April 04, 2022, 04:14:16 PM
The Shinners are deluded about a Border Poll,
How so? They're not asking for one tomorrow. They're essentially only asking for the government in the south to plan for the eventuality.
OK maybe it's deluded to expect FF or FG (AKA "The Republican Party" and "The United Ireland Party") to actually do carry out some responsible pre-plqnning ahead of what is an inevitable border poll; but it's only a matter of time until SF are in government and saud planning can begin.
Quote from: Average Score on April 04, 2022, 10:33:49 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
+1 but will NEVER change.
If someone gives first preference to the party they feel best represents his/her views on achieving an end to partition, does that make him/her sectarian?
Ditto for someone who wants to vote for the party that they believe best represents/is best placed to maintain union with Britain, does that make them sectarian?
Or, perish the thought, could it actually be entirely legitimate to vote for the party that best represents your views on a massively important political question?
Quote from: Snapchap on April 05, 2022, 09:29:18 AM
Quote from: Average Score on April 04, 2022, 10:33:49 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
+1 but will NEVER change.
If someone gives first preference to the party they feel best represents his/her views on achieving an end to partition, does that make him/her sectarian?
Ditto for someone who wants to vote for the party that they believe best represents/is best placed to maintain union with Britain, does that make them sectarian?
Or, perish the thought, could it actually be entirely legitimate to vote for the party that best represents your views on a massively important political question?
Yeah, these people who moan about politicians: they should stand themselves.
Instead of moaning about it or saying nobody represents them.
I think there's never been as much choice in terms of different political parties and independents etc.
And yet people still complain. I'd say the the people who moan the most are usually the people who don't vote.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Being a Unionist/ Nationalist does not make you sectarian.
Alliance voters need to realise this.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?
Quote from: Snapchap on April 05, 2022, 09:29:18 AM
Quote from: Average Score on April 04, 2022, 10:33:49 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
+1 but will NEVER change.
If someone gives first preference to the party they feel best represents his/her views on achieving an end to partition, does that make him/her sectarian?
Ditto for someone who wants to vote for the party that they believe best represents/is best placed to maintain union with Britain, does that make them sectarian?
Or, perish the thought, could it actually be entirely legitimate to vote for the party that best represents your views on a massively important political question?
But do they - my son is voting for the first time, he said and I quote - "Take it I just vote Sinn Fein" , I am sure that view is representative within nationalist and unionist areas!
Quote from: Average Score on April 05, 2022, 10:42:48 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on April 05, 2022, 09:29:18 AM
Quote from: Average Score on April 04, 2022, 10:33:49 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
+1 but will NEVER change.
If someone gives first preference to the party they feel best represents his/her views on achieving an end to partition, does that make him/her sectarian?
Ditto for someone who wants to vote for the party that they believe best represents/is best placed to maintain union with Britain, does that make them sectarian?
Or, perish the thought, could it actually be entirely legitimate to vote for the party that best represents your views on a massively important political question?
But do they - my son is voting for the first time, he said and I quote - "Take it I just vote Sinn Fein" , I am sure that view is representative within nationalist and unionist areas!
Isn't that just a youth thing? Voting is often traditional within families across the world. Or are you arguing that your son is sectarian?lol
Maybe he knows enough politically to know that he wants a united Ireland and as such assumes that he should be voting SF?
In fairness most youth couldn't give a damn, he's more concerned about getting a house in the holylands!
Quote from: Average Score on April 05, 2022, 10:58:42 AM
In fairness most youth couldn't give a damn, he's more concerned about getting a house in the holylands!
Not sure about that. It'd be interesting to see what percentage of U20's say, vote?
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 11:21:48 AM
Quote from: Average Score on April 05, 2022, 10:58:42 AM
In fairness most youth couldn't give a damn, he's more concerned about getting a house in the holylands!
Not sure about that. It'd be interesting to see what percentage of U20's say, vote?
I would say it is very high, I was replying to that statement below, first time voters will vote in numbers but just as snapchat says how their parents vote, there will be no political insight.
Quote from: Snapchap on April 05, 2022, 10:55:20 AM
Maybe he knows enough politically to know that he wants a united Ireland and as such assumes that he should be voting SF?
I see an opinion poll saying only 1 in 3 of ye would vote for re unification!!
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?
How will they do? The TUV of the green side?
With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently.
Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 11:28:38 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?
How will they do? The TUV of the green side?
With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently.
Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.
Don't know an awful pile about them tbh, the issue they were big on (abortion) doesn't really get many headlines these days. Don't think they will do a big pile to be honest.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2022, 11:28:30 AM
I see an opinion poll saying only 1 in 3 of ye would vote for re unification!!
You forgot to mention that the poll question was how you'd vote if the referendum was held
tomorrow. Imagine how many would vote for it with a plan in place, and with every party in the south actively campaigning for a 'yes' result throughout the referendum.
Remove the 'don't knows' from the equation and 40% of the population who do know how they'd vote, would vote for unity tomorrow.
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 11:28:38 AM
Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.
Aontú are not right wing, they favour giving people free money just as much as many more, they are just not woke.
But there is a touch of the one man band about them, I cannot think of another Aontú person other than Tóibín.
Sinn Fein are a woke party these days.
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 11:28:38 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?
How will they do? The TUV of the green side?
With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently.
Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.
Watch this space.
With regards Mid Ulster they got 8% in Carntogher in 2019.
Dan Kerr in Torrent got nearly 17%, costing SF a council seat. He is not Aontú of course but I believe alot of that vote will go to Aontú this time as the pro-life lobby will have nowhere else to go to give SF a bloody nose. These numbers will need to be improved to get a seat but I think they may be closer than what alot of people think.
Haven't looked at other constituencies yet so couldn't comment.
I will say I have been talking to people who voted SF their whole life who are voting Aontú this time.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 11:28:38 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?
How will they do? The TUV of the green side?
With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently.
Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.
Watch this space.
With regards Mid Ulster they got 8% in Carntogher in 2019.
Dan Kerr in Torrent got nearly 17%, costing SF a council seat. He is not Aontú of course but I believe alot of that vote will go to Aontú this time as the pro-life lobby will have nowhere else to go to give SF a bloody nose. These numbers will need to be improved to get a seat but I think they may be closer than what alot of people think.
Haven't looked at other constituencies yet so couldn't comment.
I will say I have been talking to people who voted SF their whole life who are voting Aontú this time.
For what reason? Abortion?
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 11:28:38 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?
How will they do? The TUV of the green side?
With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently.
Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.
Watch this space.
With regards Mid Ulster they got 8% in Carntogher in 2019.
Dan Kerr in Torrent got nearly 17%, costing SF a council seat. He is not Aontú of course but I believe alot of that vote will go to Aontú this time as the pro-life lobby will have nowhere else to go to give SF a bloody nose. These numbers will need to be improved to get a seat but I think they may be closer than what alot of people think.
Haven't looked at other constituencies yet so couldn't comment.
I will say I have been talking to people who voted SF their whole life who are voting Aontú this time.
agreed we will.
Quote from: Man Marker on April 05, 2022, 12:08:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 11:28:38 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?
How will they do? The TUV of the green side?
With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently.
Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.
Watch this space.
With regards Mid Ulster they got 8% in Carntogher in 2019.
Dan Kerr in Torrent got nearly 17%, costing SF a council seat. He is not Aontú of course but I believe alot of that vote will go to Aontú this time as the pro-life lobby will have nowhere else to go to give SF a bloody nose. These numbers will need to be improved to get a seat but I think they may be closer than what alot of people think.
Haven't looked at other constituencies yet so couldn't comment.
I will say I have been talking to people who voted SF their whole life who are voting Aontú this time.
agreed we will.
Aontú Abú
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?
Yes. Proving my point for me there lad, i am prepared to vote on principle and policy rather than "to make sure we get FM and they dont"
"
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 12:07:33 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 11:28:38 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?
How will they do? The TUV of the green side?
With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently.
Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.
Watch this space.
With regards Mid Ulster they got 8% in Carntogher in 2019.
Dan Kerr in Torrent got nearly 17%, costing SF a council seat. He is not Aontú of course but I believe alot of that vote will go to Aontú this time as the pro-life lobby will have nowhere else to go to give SF a bloody nose. These numbers will need to be improved to get a seat but I think they may be closer than what alot of people think.
Haven't looked at other constituencies yet so couldn't comment.
I will say I have been talking to people who voted SF their whole life who are voting Aontú this time.
For what reason? Abortion?
Mostly over the very liberal abortion framework in place in the North that was cheered on by SF. Moves like that might play well in Belfast and Dublin but not in rural areas.
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 11:28:38 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?
How will they do? The TUV of the green side?
With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently.
Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.
Really? Do people in this country actually understand difference between right and left
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 12:26:17 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?
Yes. Proving my point for me there lad, i am prepared to vote on principle and policy rather than "to make sure we get FM and they dont"
SF could get 50 seats and they won't get the FM role because there is not a chance in hell of Unionists electing a deputy. The house of cards falls and then who knows what happens next.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 12:29:31 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 12:26:17 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?
Yes. Proving my point for me there lad, i am prepared to vote on principle and policy rather than "to make sure we get FM and they dont"
SF could get 50 seats and they won't get the FM role because there is not a chance in hell of Unionists electing a deputy. The house of cards falls and then who knows what happens next.
Very possible
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 12:27:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 12:07:33 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 11:28:38 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?
How will they do? The TUV of the green side?
With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently.
Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.
Watch this space.
With regards Mid Ulster they got 8% in Carntogher in 2019.
Dan Kerr in Torrent got nearly 17%, costing SF a council seat. He is not Aontú of course but I believe alot of that vote will go to Aontú this time as the pro-life lobby will have nowhere else to go to give SF a bloody nose. These numbers will need to be improved to get a seat but I think they may be closer than what alot of people think.
Haven't looked at other constituencies yet so couldn't comment.
I will say I have been talking to people who voted SF their whole life who are voting Aontú this time.
For what reason? Abortion?
Mostly over the very liberal abortion framework in place in the North that was cheered on by SF. Moves like that might play well in Belfast and Dublin but not in rural areas.
Further west you go in Ulster more people are turned off it
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 12:32:28 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 12:27:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 12:07:33 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 11:28:38 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?
How will they do? The TUV of the green side?
With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently.
Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.
Watch this space.
With regards Mid Ulster they got 8% in Carntogher in 2019.
Dan Kerr in Torrent got nearly 17%, costing SF a council seat. He is not Aontú of course but I believe alot of that vote will go to Aontú this time as the pro-life lobby will have nowhere else to go to give SF a bloody nose. These numbers will need to be improved to get a seat but I think they may be closer than what alot of people think.
Haven't looked at other constituencies yet so couldn't comment.
I will say I have been talking to people who voted SF their whole life who are voting Aontú this time.
For what reason? Abortion?
Mostly over the very liberal abortion framework in place in the North that was cheered on by SF. Moves like that might play well in Belfast and Dublin but not in rural areas.
Further west you go in Ulster more people are turned off it
Fair enough. Not something I really would be bothered by one way or another but can see why its a big issue for people on either side.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 11:28:38 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?
How will they do? The TUV of the green side?
With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently.
Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.
Watch this space.
With regards Mid Ulster they got 8% in Carntogher in 2019.
Dan Kerr in Torrent got nearly 17%, costing SF a council seat. He is not Aontú of course but I believe alot of that vote will go to Aontú this time as the pro-life lobby will have nowhere else to go to give SF a bloody nose. These numbers will need to be improved to get a seat but I think they may be closer than what alot of people think.
Haven't looked at other constituencies yet so couldn't comment.
I will say I have been talking to people who voted SF their whole life who are voting Aontú this time.
All this is good but not showing in the opinion polls so far. You'd think it'd show up. Is Kerr not an independent republican? So it it not more of an anti SF vote moreso than a pro Aontú vote?
Has Aontú's time come and gone? Obviously they might pick up a council seat or two here and there but it's a slow build.
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 12:52:51 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 11:28:38 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?
How will they do? The TUV of the green side?
With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently.
Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.
Watch this space.
With regards Mid Ulster they got 8% in Carntogher in 2019.
Dan Kerr in Torrent got nearly 17%, costing SF a council seat. He is not Aontú of course but I believe alot of that vote will go to Aontú this time as the pro-life lobby will have nowhere else to go to give SF a bloody nose. These numbers will need to be improved to get a seat but I think they may be closer than what alot of people think.
Haven't looked at other constituencies yet so couldn't comment.
I will say I have been talking to people who voted SF their whole life who are voting Aontú this time.
All this is good but not showing in the opinion polls so far. You'd think it'd show up. Is Kerr not an independent republican? So it it not more of an anti SF vote moreso than a pro Aontú vote?
Has Aontú's time come and gone? Obviously they might pick up a council seat or two here and there but it's a slow build.
I'm nearly sure Kerr was openly pro life last time out. He won 17% in Michelle Oneills electoral ward which is impressive.
Haven't seen much electioneering by the Aontú candidate in mid ulster though.
Tóibín claims their membership has doubled in the north in recent weeks. Who knows.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 12:26:17 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?
Yes. Proving my point for me there lad, i am prepared to vote on principle and policy rather than "to make sure we get FM and they dont"
"
And your preferences after no1.?
It's a PR Election
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 12:07:33 PM
For what reason? Abortion?
I know of 2 older relatives who always voted Sinn Fein but said never again after the abortion issue. however they had never heard of Aontu and there are bound to be more like them. therefore if Aontu were to get their act together over the coming weeks they might do better than people think.
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2022, 01:11:17 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 12:26:17 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?
Yes. Proving my point for me there lad, i am prepared to vote on principle and policy rather than "to make sure we get FM and they dont"
"
And your preferences after no1.?
It's a PR Election
TBC
Quote from: clarshack on April 05, 2022, 01:18:47 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 12:07:33 PM
For what reason? Abortion?
I know of 2 older relatives who always voted Sinn Fein but said never again after the abortion issue. however they had never heard of Aontu and there are bound to be more like them. therefore if Aontu were to get their act together over the coming weeks they might do better than people think.
I know of a few people as well but they changed their stance straight away i.e. a few years ago and went with Aonytú ever since. Older people obviously but conversely young people new to voting will cancel that out I'd say.
Anybody voting Aontú for that one issue, should by extension, be giving a preference to the DUP and TUV etc..
PBP seem to be city based and be interesting to see how Gerry Carroll goes in WB and Fergusion in NB. I think they were for Brexit but never seem to be questioned on it.
The 4th and 5th seat in a lot of areas will be interesting. I think the DUP, as time goes along towards the election, will do grand. They've cut back on their seat numbers as such.
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 02:16:04 PM
Quote from: clarshack on April 05, 2022, 01:18:47 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 12:07:33 PM
For what reason? Abortion?
I know of 2 older relatives who always voted Sinn Fein but said never again after the abortion issue. however they had never heard of Aontu and there are bound to be more like them. therefore if Aontu were to get their act together over the coming weeks they might do better than people think.
I know of a few people as well but they changed their stance straight away i.e. a few years ago and went with Aonytú ever since. Older people obviously but conversely young people new to voting will cancel that out I'd say.
Anybody voting Aontú for that one issue, should by extension, be giving a preference to the DUP and TUV etc..
PBP seem to be city based and be interesting to see how Gerry Carroll goes in WB and Fergusion in NB. I think they were for Brexit but never seem to be questioned on it.
The 4th and 5th seat in a lot of areas will be interesting. I think the DUP, as time goes along towards the election, will do grand. They've cut back on their seat numbers as such.
Not many doing that, the constitutional question is still important.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 12:56:49 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 12:52:51 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 11:28:38 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?
How will they do? The TUV of the green side?
With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently.
Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.
Watch this space.
With regards Mid Ulster they got 8% in Carntogher in 2019.
Dan Kerr in Torrent got nearly 17%, costing SF a council seat. He is not Aontú of course but I believe alot of that vote will go to Aontú this time as the pro-life lobby will have nowhere else to go to give SF a bloody nose. These numbers will need to be improved to get a seat but I think they may be closer than what alot of people think.
Haven't looked at other constituencies yet so couldn't comment.
I will say I have been talking to people who voted SF their whole life who are voting Aontú this time.
All this is good but not showing in the opinion polls so far. You'd think it'd show up. Is Kerr not an independent republican? So it it not more of an anti SF vote moreso than a pro Aontú vote?
Has Aontú's time come and gone? Obviously they might pick up a council seat or two here and there but it's a slow build.
I'm nearly sure Kerr was openly pro life last time out. He won 17% in Michelle Oneills electoral ward which is impressive.
Haven't seen much electioneering by the Aontú candidate in mid ulster though.
Tóibín claims their membership has doubled in the north in recent weeks. Who knows.
I find it strange that they double their membership a few weeks before an election. They've been about this past 3 or 4 years now.
Really standing on one issue.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 02:20:54 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 02:16:04 PM
Quote from: clarshack on April 05, 2022, 01:18:47 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 12:07:33 PM
For what reason? Abortion?
I know of 2 older relatives who always voted Sinn Fein but said never again after the abortion issue. however they had never heard of Aontu and there are bound to be more like them. therefore if Aontu were to get their act together over the coming weeks they might do better than people think.
I know of a few people as well but they changed their stance straight away i.e. a few years ago and went with Aonytú ever since. Older people obviously but conversely young people new to voting will cancel that out I'd say.
Anybody voting Aontú for that one issue, should by extension, be giving a preference to the DUP and TUV etc..
PBP seem to be city based and be interesting to see how Gerry Carroll goes in WB and Fergusion in NB. I think they were for Brexit but never seem to be questioned on it.
The 4th and 5th seat in a lot of areas will be interesting. I think the DUP, as time goes along towards the election, will do grand. They've cut back on their seat numbers as such.
Not many doing that, the constitutional question is still important.
Would that not make them part of the sectarian headcount as well then as much as anyone voting SF or DUP if the constitutional question trumps policy?
From the polls recently it doesn't look like many are leaving SF. Unless they are being replaced by new SF voters. But I think the more likely is that SF are holding the majority of their voter base. Next few weeks will be interesting but I can't see anything other than a SF FM (Whether they'll get a chance to take up that position is another thing). And I think that's a bad reflection on DUP in comparison who have fallen badly in the polls. Their mis-management was always going to have an impact given the scale of it this time. They are losing voters from either end of the unionist spectrum.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
I'd say Aontú's boat has sailed in the 26 counties - it's a totally changed place this past 20 years. As can be seen from repeal and the lack of influence of the CC. Times have changed.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 02:20:54 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 02:16:04 PM
Quote from: clarshack on April 05, 2022, 01:18:47 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 12:07:33 PM
For what reason? Abortion?
I know of 2 older relatives who always voted Sinn Fein but said never again after the abortion issue. however they had never heard of Aontu and there are bound to be more like them. therefore if Aontu were to get their act together over the coming weeks they might do better than people think.
I know of a few people as well but they changed their stance straight away i.e. a few years ago and went with Aonytú ever since. Older people obviously but conversely young people new to voting will cancel that out I'd say.
Anybody voting Aontú for that one issue, should by extension, be giving a preference to the DUP and TUV etc..
PBP seem to be city based and be interesting to see how Gerry Carroll goes in WB and Fergusion in NB. I think they were for Brexit but never seem to be questioned on it.
The 4th and 5th seat in a lot of areas will be interesting. I think the DUP, as time goes along towards the election, will do grand. They've cut back on their seat numbers as such.
Not many doing that, the constitutional question is still important.
Ah, come on! That's the only reason. Are you for real?
Just take a quick glance through the last few pages re: Aontù. It's the only issue.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Fear other than the abortion stance, where does Aontú differ from SF regarding policy?
Quote from: HiMucker on April 05, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Fear other than the abortion stance, where does Aontú differ from SF regarding policy?
Aontú consistently on 2%.
Quote from: HiMucker on April 05, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Fear other than the abortion stance, where does Aontú differ from SF regarding policy?
I know a couple of Aontu supporters. They're completely single issue ie abortion. They're both completely nuts and vulnerable to all sorts of Qanon conspiracy theories. Not sure if that's in any way representative of Aontu supporters in general. It's a wasted vote in my opinion.
Quote from: HiMucker on April 05, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Fear other than the abortion stance, where does Aontú differ from SF regarding policy?
Why does that matter? Other than Westminster how does SF differ from SDLP
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 05:39:34 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on April 05, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Fear other than the abortion stance, where does Aontú differ from SF regarding policy?
Why does that matter? Other than Westminster how does SF differ from SDLP
SDLP tend to have better quality control.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 05:39:34 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on April 05, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Fear other than the abortion stance, where does Aontú differ from SF regarding policy?
Why does that matter? Other than Westminster how does SF differ from SDLP
Well I thought it would matter quite a lot for a party trying to win voters over from another. I asked you as I was genuinely interested to know, and I thought from your post above you were more than just a voter and an active party member and would be able to tell me of any policy differences.
Regards your point about the SDLP and SF, I would see the SDLP as more light touch with regards to the constitutional question. SDLP ones might argue against that but that's how I see it as a voter. They are probably a bit more torwards the centre on other issues than SF as well.
dup putting the protocol before people starving to death.
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 02:43:11 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
I'd say Aontú's boat has sailed in the 26 counties - it's a totally changed place this past 20 years. As can be seen from repeal and the lack of influence of the CC. Times have changed.
And not for the better.
anti-abortion religious nuts ???
get your own house in order comes to mind ::)
Quote from: HiMucker on April 05, 2022, 06:34:19 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 05:39:34 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on April 05, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Fear other than the abortion stance, where does Aontú differ from SF regarding policy?
Why does that matter? Other than Westminster how does SF differ from SDLP
Well I thought it would matter quite a lot for a party trying to win voters over from another. I asked you as I was genuinely interested to know, and I thought from your post above you were more than just a voter and an active party member and would be able to tell me of any policy differences.
Regards your point about the SDLP and SF, I would see the SDLP as more light touch with regards to the constitutional question. SDLP ones might argue against that but that's how I see it as a voter. They are probably a bit more torwards the centre on other issues than SF as well.
Apologies if I picked you up wrong usually everything loaded in here.
To use your language we aren't as light as SF on our approach to Britain . We won't be inviting the commanding officer of the paras for handshakes anytime soon.
We won't be infiltrating every community organization and bleeding them dry through fraud, nepotism and greed.
We won't be protecting sex abusers and shipping boys off to Dubai as security guards, we won't bending our knees at free Derry corner for every woke cause going. We won't be blasting coke flat out. The list is endless
But that's just ethics and culture. On policy we are of course very similar, but nothing wrong with that , I'll take a more ethical , trustworthy version of SF with few tweaks any day of the week
Clarshack another No voter in the "Border Poll" I presume?
Maybe we should go back to the mid 80s or the 1950s.....
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 05, 2022, 07:08:56 PM
anti-abortion religious nuts ???
get your own house in order comes to mind ::)
Haven't been to mass in years mucker,lapsed
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 05, 2022, 07:08:56 PM
anti-abortion religious nuts ???
get your own house in order comes to mind ::)
Haven't been to mass in years mucker,lapsed
Swing and a miss Mikhail
Only time I've been to mass in the last decade is funerals and weddings.
Keep trying!
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 07:12:17 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 05, 2022, 07:08:56 PM
anti-abortion religious nuts ???
get your own house in order comes to mind ::)
Haven't been to mass in years mucker,lapsed
Swing and a miss Mikhail
Only time I've been to mass in the last decade is funerals and weddings.
Keep trying!
This is the problem, some folk don't know difference between morals and religious beliefs
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 07:09:42 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on April 05, 2022, 06:34:19 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 05:39:34 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on April 05, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Fear other than the abortion stance, where does Aontú differ from SF regarding policy?
Why does that matter? Other than Westminster how does SF differ from SDLP
Well I thought it would matter quite a lot for a party trying to win voters over from another. I asked you as I was genuinely interested to know, and I thought from your post above you were more than just a voter and an active party member and would be able to tell me of any policy differences.
Regards your point about the SDLP and SF, I would see the SDLP as more light touch with regards to the constitutional question. SDLP ones might argue against that but that's how I see it as a voter. They are probably a bit more torwards the centre on other issues than SF as well.
Apologies if I picked you up wrong usually everything loaded in here.
To use your language we aren't as light as SF on our approach to Britain . We won't be inviting the commanding officer of the paras for handshakes anytime soon.
We won't be infiltrating every community organization and bleeding them dry through fraud, nepotism and greed.
We won't be protecting sex abusers and shipping boys off to Dubai as security guards, we won't bending our knees at free Derry corner for every woke cause going. We won't be blasting coke flat out. The list is endless
But that's just ethics and culture. On policy we are of course very similar, but nothing wrong with that , I'll take a more ethical , trustworthy version of SF with few tweaks any day of the week
A lot of "we"s in that post. We all knew anyway but at least finally you admit to being a stooper after all.
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on April 05, 2022, 07:21:34 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 07:09:42 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on April 05, 2022, 06:34:19 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 05:39:34 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on April 05, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Fear other than the abortion stance, where does Aontú differ from SF regarding policy?
Why does that matter? Other than Westminster how does SF differ from SDLP
Well I thought it would matter quite a lot for a party trying to win voters over from another. I asked you as I was genuinely interested to know, and I thought from your post above you were more than just a voter and an active party member and would be able to tell me of any policy differences.
Regards your point about the SDLP and SF, I would see the SDLP as more light touch with regards to the constitutional question. SDLP ones might argue against that but that's how I see it as a voter. They are probably a bit more torwards the centre on other issues than SF as well.
Apologies if I picked you up wrong usually everything loaded in here.
To use your language we aren't as light as SF on our approach to Britain . We won't be inviting the commanding officer of the paras for handshakes anytime soon.
We won't be infiltrating every community organization and bleeding them dry through fraud, nepotism and greed.
We won't be protecting sex abusers and shipping boys off to Dubai as security guards, we won't bending our knees at free Derry corner for every woke cause going. We won't be blasting coke flat out. The list is endless
But that's just ethics and culture. On policy we are of course very similar, but nothing wrong with that , I'll take a more ethical , trustworthy version of SF with few tweaks any day of the week
A lot of "we"s in that post. We all knew anyway but at least finally you admit to being a stooper after all.
Read back few posts if your able lol
Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2022, 07:10:05 PM
Clarshack another No voter in the "Border Poll" I presume?
Maybe we should go back to the mid 80s or the 1950s.....
The time period referred to was the last 20 years. Do you think that the South is a better place to live in now than in the noughties?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 07:12:17 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 05, 2022, 07:08:56 PM
anti-abortion religious nuts ???
get your own house in order comes to mind ::)
Haven't been to mass in years mucker,lapsed
Swing and a miss Mikhail
Only time I've been to mass in the last decade is funerals and weddings.
Keep trying!
This is the problem, some folk don't know difference between morals and religious beliefs
When it comes to opposing abortion and imposing that belief onto other people denying their civil right, one is a zealot and the other a religious zealot.
Quote from: Main Street on April 05, 2022, 08:51:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 07:12:17 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 05, 2022, 07:08:56 PM
anti-abortion religious nuts ???
get your own house in order comes to mind ::)
Haven't been to mass in years mucker,lapsed
Swing and a miss Mikhail
Only time I've been to mass in the last decade is funerals and weddings.
Keep trying!
This is the problem, some folk don't know difference between morals and religious beliefs
When it comes to opposing abortion and imposing that belief onto other people denying their civil right, one is a zealot and the other a religious zealot.
Abortion is not a civil right.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 05:39:34 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on April 05, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Fear other than the abortion stance, where does Aontú differ from SF regarding policy?
Why does that matter? Other than Westminster how does SF differ from SDLP
They want a UI? Lol
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 05, 2022, 08:51:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 07:12:17 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 05, 2022, 07:08:56 PM
anti-abortion religious nuts ???
get your own house in order comes to mind ::)
Haven't been to mass in years mucker,lapsed
Swing and a miss Mikhail
Only time I've been to mass in the last decade is funerals and weddings.
Keep trying!
This is the problem, some folk don't know difference between morals and religious beliefs
When it comes to opposing abortion and imposing that belief onto other people denying their civil right, one is a zealot and the other a religious zealot.
Abortion is not a civil right.
Sinn Féin call it women's health care
Quote from: clarshack on April 05, 2022, 08:19:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2022, 07:10:05 PM
Clarshack another No voter in the "Border Poll" I presume?
Maybe we should go back to the mid 80s or the 1950s.....
The time period referred to was the last 20 years. Do you think that the South is a better place to live in now than in the noughties?
At least it's a more real economy now not a giant property market.
Mind you "Independent" newspapers are stoking those fures again....
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 05, 2022, 08:51:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 07:12:17 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 05, 2022, 07:08:56 PM
anti-abortion religious nuts ???
get your own house in order comes to mind ::)
Haven't been to mass in years mucker,lapsed
Swing and a miss Mikhail
Only time I've been to mass in the last decade is funerals and weddings.
Keep trying!
This is the problem, some folk don't know difference between morals and religious beliefs
When it comes to opposing abortion and imposing that belief onto other people denying their civil right, one is a zealot and the other a religious zealot.
Abortion is not a civil right.
Not according to a zealot
Quote from: clarshack on April 05, 2022, 07:06:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 02:43:11 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
I'd say Aontú's boat has sailed in the 26 counties - it's a totally changed place this past 20 years. As can be seen from repeal and the lack of influence of the CC. Times have changed.
And not for the better.
Life moves on Clarshack, whether we like it or not.
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 10:39:07 PM
Quote from: clarshack on April 05, 2022, 07:06:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 02:43:11 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
I'd say Aontú's boat has sailed in the 26 counties - it's a totally changed place this past 20 years. As can be seen from repeal and the lack of influence of the CC. Times have changed.
And not for the better.
Life moves on Clarshack, whether we like it or not.
It certainly has. Just go onto Twitter and see all the so called SF republicans congratulating Linda Ervine on her MBE. The same empire that crushed the Irish language
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 09:15:42 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 05, 2022, 08:51:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 07:12:17 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 05, 2022, 07:08:56 PM
anti-abortion religious nuts ???
get your own house in order comes to mind ::)
Haven't been to mass in years mucker,lapsed
Swing and a miss Mikhail
Only time I've been to mass in the last decade is funerals and weddings.
Keep trying!
This is the problem, some folk don't know difference between morals and religious beliefs
When it comes to opposing abortion and imposing that belief onto other people denying their civil right, one is a zealot and the other a religious zealot.
Abortion is not a civil right.
Sinn Féin call it women's health care
As do millions and millions of women around the world.
We men are great at sticking in our magic stick and f**king off when we don't like the consequences of our actions but yet the onus is always with the girl to make the hard calls and whilst a lot on here will say that's not them I'm talking about they will know at least one or two other lads who they know have done similar...
I personally don't agree with abortion but then I'd don't know every poor girls circumstances and like the SDLP who offered a free vote on it, it's really up to each individual to make their own call on it.
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don't like it so much, maybe.. don't have one?
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:29:04 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don't like it so much, maybe.. don't have one?
Anyone here drink and drive? If you don't like it don't do it, but don't be telling other people what they should do.
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:29:04 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don't like it so much, maybe.. don't have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I've ever given much thought to but that's a ridiculous take
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 11:32:41 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 10:39:07 PM
Quote from: clarshack on April 05, 2022, 07:06:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 02:43:11 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
I'd say Aontú's boat has sailed in the 26 counties - it's a totally changed place this past 20 years. As can be seen from repeal and the lack of influence of the CC. Times have changed.
And not for the better.
Life moves on Clarshack, whether we like it or not.
It certainly has. Just go onto Twitter and see all the so called SF republicans congratulating Linda Ervine on her MBE. The same empire that crushed the Irish language
Don't have twitter any more but can imagine the sort of gobshite you're on about. Thankfully have encountered very few in real life
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 10:33:25 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:29:04 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don't like it so much, maybe.. don't have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I've ever given much thought to but that's a ridiculous take
Not really. The point being people most opposed to abortion are all men and are from or are supporters of male-dominated right-wing parties like Aontú, TUV, DUP etc.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 11:32:41 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 10:39:07 PM
Quote from: clarshack on April 05, 2022, 07:06:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 02:43:11 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
I'd say Aontú's boat has sailed in the 26 counties - it's a totally changed place this past 20 years. As can be seen from repeal and the lack of influence of the CC. Times have changed.
And not for the better.
Life moves on Clarshack, whether we like it or not.
It certainly has. Just go onto Twitter and see all the so called SF republicans congratulating Linda Ervine on her MBE. The same empire that crushed the Irish language
Mistake no 1 dear Fear! ;D
It's not as if abortion has been made compulsory!
Are TUV, DUPUDA and Aontú delighted with the Hungarian election result?
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:41:58 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 10:33:25 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:29:04 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don't like it so much, maybe.. don't have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I've ever given much thought to but that's a ridiculous take
Not really. The point being people most opposed to abortion are all men and are from or are supporters of male-dominated right-wing parties like Aontú, TUV, DUP etc.
A lot of people see abortion as taking a human life. Rightly or wrongly, thats their view. So you may as well be saying "don't like murder? Don't kill anyone then."
Anyway, completely off track and irrelevant to this thread.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 06, 2022, 10:45:50 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 11:32:41 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 10:39:07 PM
Quote from: clarshack on April 05, 2022, 07:06:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 02:43:11 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
I'd say Aontú's boat has sailed in the 26 counties - it's a totally changed place this past 20 years. As can be seen from repeal and the lack of influence of the CC. Times have changed.
And not for the better.
Life moves on Clarshack, whether we like it or not.
It certainly has. Just go onto Twitter and see all the so called SF republicans congratulating Linda Ervine on her MBE. The same empire that crushed the Irish language
Mistake no 1 dear Fear! ;D
Yep!
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 10:50:00 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:41:58 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 10:33:25 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:29:04 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don't like it so much, maybe.. don't have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I've ever given much thought to but that's a ridiculous take
Not really. The point being people most opposed to abortion are all men and are from or are supporters of male-dominated right-wing parties like Aontú, TUV, DUP etc.
A lot of people see abortion as taking a human life. Rightly or wrongly, thats their view. So you may as well be saying "don't like murder? Don't kill anyone then."
Anyway, completely off track and irrelevant to this thread.
Again, you miss the point. It's about body autonomy. You as a man can't get an abortion, even if you wanted to. Yet the pro-lifers are telling women they shouldn't have that choice.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 06, 2022, 09:06:53 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 09:15:42 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 05, 2022, 08:51:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 07:12:17 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 05, 2022, 07:08:56 PM
anti-abortion religious nuts ???
get your own house in order comes to mind ::)
Haven't been to mass in years mucker,lapsed
Swing and a miss Mikhail
Only time I've been to mass in the last decade is funerals and weddings.
Keep trying!
This is the problem, some folk don't know difference between morals and religious beliefs
When it comes to opposing abortion and imposing that belief onto other people denying their civil right, one is a zealot and the other a religious zealot.
Abortion is not a civil right.
Sinn Féin call it women's health care
As do millions and millions of women around the world.
We men are great at sticking in our magic stick and f**king off when we don't like the consequences of our actions but yet the onus is always with the girl to make the hard calls and whilst a lot on here will say that's not them I'm talking about they will know at least one or two other lads who they know have done similar...
I personally don't agree with abortion but then I'd don't know every poor girls circumstances and like the SDLP who offered a free vote on it, it's really up to each individual to make their own call on it.
Exactly-woke sheep ba ba. I am not agaisnt cases of medical intervention but it has gone too far, yeah the free vote was the correct way to go
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:41:58 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 10:33:25 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:29:04 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don't like it so much, maybe.. don't have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I've ever given much thought to but that's a ridiculous take
Not really. The point being people most opposed to abortion are all men and are from or are supporters of male-dominated right-wing parties like Aontú, TUV, DUP etc.
WT actual feck. Sure Aontú have at least 40% female candidates. Gone just devalve for a wee minute
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:57:54 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 10:50:00 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:41:58 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 10:33:25 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:29:04 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don't like it so much, maybe.. don't have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I've ever given much thought to but that's a ridiculous take
Not really. The point being people most opposed to abortion are all men and are from or are supporters of male-dominated right-wing parties like Aontú, TUV, DUP etc.
A lot of people see abortion as taking a human life. Rightly or wrongly, thats their view. So you may as well be saying "don't like murder? Don't kill anyone then."
Anyway, completely off track and irrelevant to this thread.
Again, you miss the point. It's about body autonomy. You as a man can't get an abortion, even if you wanted to. Yet the pro-lifers are telling women they shouldn't have that choice.
Which body are we talking about? The mothers or the baby's? Because by every scientific definition the baby is a human. You may call it "tissue" or whatever but you cannot deny it is human.
I don't care if a woman wants to do something with her body, so long as it doesn't harm anyone else its none of anybodys business.
I do have an issue when you end the life of another person though. I can understand there are a tiny minority of cases where this is unavoidable when something goes wrong, but the vast vast vasssst majority of abortions involve healthy mother/healthy baby so I think any attempt to use these extreme cases to justify widespread abortions is disingenuous.
Also don't have much time for the argument that men have no opinion by virtue of the fact that they are men. Does the message need to come from a pro-life female for it to be a valid point of view? What difference does it make who says it?
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 10:34:28 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 11:32:41 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 10:39:07 PM
Quote from: clarshack on April 05, 2022, 07:06:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 02:43:11 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
I'd say Aontú's boat has sailed in the 26 counties - it's a totally changed place this past 20 years. As can be seen from repeal and the lack of influence of the CC. Times have changed.
And not for the better.
Life moves on Clarshack, whether we like it or not.
It certainly has. Just go onto Twitter and see all the so called SF republicans congratulating Linda Ervine on her MBE. The same empire that crushed the Irish language
Don't have twitter any more but can imagine the sort of gobshite you're on about. Thankfully have encountered very few in real life
Paddy Barnes-too many slaps to the head there. Fergal Sharkey-couldnt believe Derry GAA twitter retweeing his stuff, Tip of the cap shite
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:41:58 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 10:33:25 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:29:04 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don't like it so much, maybe.. don't have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I've ever given much thought to but that's a ridiculous take
Not really. The point being people most opposed to abortion are all men and are from or are supporters of male-dominated right-wing parties like Aontú, TUV, DUP etc.
Don't mention to some posters that Aontù are right wing.
It was me who brought them up in the discussion. They are a one topic party and in the south, they're consistently on 2% in the opinion polls.
Move back on election matters now. Sorry for the sidetracking!
I see the DUP had their election campaign start in a cinema. It was very strange.
O'Neill keeping everything steady in her speeches etc. not wanting to drop the ball with a clanger.
Apart from C. Sugden, any other independents in with a good chance?
One issue parties usually fade away ...remember "Renua" :D
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 06, 2022, 11:29:03 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:57:54 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 10:50:00 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:41:58 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 10:33:25 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:29:04 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don't like it so much, maybe.. don't have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I've ever given much thought to but that's a ridiculous take
Not really. The point being people most opposed to abortion are all men and are from or are supporters of male-dominated right-wing parties like Aontú, TUV, DUP etc.
A lot of people see abortion as taking a human life. Rightly or wrongly, thats their view. So you may as well be saying "don't like murder? Don't kill anyone then."
Anyway, completely off track and irrelevant to this thread.
Again, you miss the point. It's about body autonomy. You as a man can't get an abortion, even if you wanted to. Yet the pro-lifers are telling women they shouldn't have that choice.
Which body are we talking about? The mothers or the baby's? Because by every scientific definition the baby is a human. You may call it "tissue" or whatever but you cannot deny it is human.
I don't care if a woman wants to do something with her body, so long as it doesn't harm anyone else its none of anybodys business.
I do have an issue when you end the life of another person though. I can understand there are a tiny minority of cases where this is unavoidable when something goes wrong, but the vast vast vasssst majority of abortions involve healthy mother/healthy baby so I think any attempt to use these extreme cases to justify widespread abortions is disingenuous.
Also don't have much time for the argument that men have no opinion by virtue of the fact that they are men. Does the message need to come from a pro-life female for it to be a valid point of view? What difference does it make who says it?
If we are bring science into it, then it's not a baby.
Quote from: marty34 on April 06, 2022, 11:32:19 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:41:58 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 10:33:25 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:29:04 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don't like it so much, maybe.. don't have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I've ever given much thought to but that's a ridiculous take
Not really. The point being people most opposed to abortion are all men and are from or are supporters of male-dominated right-wing parties like Aontú, TUV, DUP etc.
Don't mention to some posters that Aontù are right wing.
It was me who brought them up in the discussion. They are a one topic party and in the south, they're consistently on 2% in the opinion polls.
Move back on election matters now. Sorry for the sidetracking!
I see the DUP had their election campaign start in a cinema. It was very strange.
O'Neill keeping everything steady in her speeches etc. not wanting to drop the ball with a clanger.
Apart from C. Sugden, any other independents in with a good chance?
Emma de Souza in FST?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 06, 2022, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 06, 2022, 11:32:19 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:41:58 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 10:33:25 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:29:04 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don't like it so much, maybe.. don't have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I've ever given much thought to but that's a ridiculous take
Not really. The point being people most opposed to abortion are all men and are from or are supporters of male-dominated right-wing parties like Aontú, TUV, DUP etc.
Don't mention to some posters that Aontù are right wing.
It was me who brought them up in the discussion. They are a one topic party and in the south, they're consistently on 2% in the opinion polls.
Move back on election matters now. Sorry for the sidetracking!
I see the DUP had their election campaign start in a cinema. It was very strange.
O'Neill keeping everything steady in her speeches etc. not wanting to drop the ball with a clanger.
Apart from C. Sugden, any other independents in with a good chance?
Emma de Souza in FST?
Interesting one alright. She did great work. Read an article about her locating to Fermanagh. Seems to love it there.
Surprised a politicial party didn't approach her up as she always seems interested in the political side of things.
Be hard to see her making an impact though in such a short space of time. Maybe a council seat would be the way to go first but I suppose any PR this time round is always a help building her profile.
I think Alex Easton is in Strangford - could be wrong. He left the DUP I think. Going as an independent.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 06, 2022, 11:25:07 AM
WT actual feck. Sure Aontú have at least 40% female candidates. Gone just devalve for a wee minute
So that would make them a male-dominated right wing party then?
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 01:10:08 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 06, 2022, 11:25:07 AM
WT actual feck. Sure Aontú have at least 40% female candidates. Gone just devalve for a wee minute
So that would make them a male-dominated right wing party then?
All men with right wing policies I imagine, but im no expert lol
Quote from: marty34 on April 06, 2022, 11:32:19 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:41:58 AM
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Quote from: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:29:04 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don't like it so much, maybe.. don't have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I've ever given much thought to but that's a ridiculous take
Not really. The point being people most opposed to abortion are all men and are from or are supporters of male-dominated right-wing parties like Aontú, TUV, DUP etc.
Don't mention to some posters that Aontù are right wing.
It was me who brought them up in the discussion. They are a one topic party and in the south, they're consistently on 2% in the opinion polls.
Move back on election matters now. Sorry for the sidetracking!
I see the DUP had their election campaign start in a cinema. It was very strange.
O'Neill keeping everything steady in her speeches etc. not wanting to drop the ball with a clanger.
Apart from C. Sugden, any other independents in with a good chance?
naw dont, especially if you cant back it up
They are a republican conservative party. Which makes them right wing.
Quote from: trailer on April 06, 2022, 02:28:10 PM
They are a republican conservative party. Which makes them right wing.
No it doesnt lol. Jesus some uneducated gulpans on here
They will probably be 6 weeks of talking again after election and nothing will happen.
the dup are part of the global right wing alliance.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 06, 2022, 02:53:55 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 06, 2022, 02:28:10 PM
They are a republican conservative party. Which makes them right wing.
No it doesnt lol. Jesus some uneducated gulpans on here
*Gulpins
Now this isn't a dig at Sinn Fein, I'm genuinely curious as to why they are framing this election as a chance for "real change", what will change ? They have been in power sharing since forever. I could understand it if it was another party that could become a power sharing partner but Sinn Fein are the establishment whether they like it or not.
So what will change ?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 06, 2022, 02:53:55 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 06, 2022, 02:28:10 PM
They are a republican conservative party. Which makes them right wing.
No it doesnt lol. Jesus some uneducated gulpans on here
So are they socially liberal? Are they on the Left? Educate me. How do they feel about Gay marriage and same sex couples? (they oppose it)
Either way, they're a one issue party. They struggle to attract any sort of talent. A lot of anti vax conspiracy theorists and general loonies.
The same with every incumbent in every election ever tbh. Vote for us for real change. Umm if you were doing your job right why would we need this change.
Quote from: Saffrongael on April 06, 2022, 03:18:34 PM
Now this isn't a dig at Sinn Fein, I'm genuinely curious as to why they are framing this election as a chance for "real change", what will change ? They have been in power sharing since forever. I could understand it if it was another party that could become a power sharing partner but Sinn Fein are the establishment whether they like it or not.
So what will change ?
In fairness getting a SF First Minister would be huge. In terms of day to day? I think things are going to get a whole lot worse before they get better regardless of who is in charge.
Quote from: Saffrongael on April 06, 2022, 03:18:34 PM
Now this isn't a dig at Sinn Fein, I'm genuinely curious as to why they are framing this election as a chance for "real change", what will change ? They have been in power sharing since forever. I could understand it if it was another party that could become a power sharing partner but Sinn Fein are the establishment whether they like it or not.
So what will change ?
I'd imagine it's just a slogan that's been focus grouped to death by political parties the world over and found to be effective.
The alternative view is that it's a recognition of the fact that this could be the first election in the history of the state where Stormont could* be led by a party which isn't unionist. That's a seismic change in and of itself, symbolically if nothing else.
*That's if the DUP go back into the assembly with a SF First Minister - something I seriously doubt will happen.
Quote from: Snapchap on April 06, 2022, 03:31:38 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on April 06, 2022, 03:18:34 PM
Now this isn't a dig at Sinn Fein, I'm genuinely curious as to why they are framing this election as a chance for "real change", what will change ? They have been in power sharing since forever. I could understand it if it was another party that could become a power sharing partner but Sinn Fein are the establishment whether they like it or not.
So what will change ?
I'd imagine it's just a slogan that's been focus grouped to death by political parties the world over and found to be effective.
The alternative view is that it's a recognition of the fact that this could be the first election in the history of the state where Stormont could* be led by a party which isn't unionist. That's a seismic change in and of itself, symbolically if nothing else.
*That's if the DUP go back into the assembly with a SF First Minister - something I seriously doubt will happen.
If that happens then hopefully Alliance are able to go in as the second largest party. Leave those other bitter bastards on the sidelines where they belong. Either that or border poll time.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 03:28:55 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on April 06, 2022, 03:18:34 PM
Now this isn't a dig at Sinn Fein, I'm genuinely curious as to why they are framing this election as a chance for "real change", what will change ? They have been in power sharing since forever. I could understand it if it was another party that could become a power sharing partner but Sinn Fein are the establishment whether they like it or not.
So what will change ?
In fairness getting a SF First Minister would be huge. In terms of day to day? I think things are going to get a whole lot worse before they get better regardless of who is in charge.
It's the litmus test for Democratic Unionists. Will they accept a Nationalist FM? Or will they contrive a reason not to sit? It's a fairly significant stage for NI. And tbh power sharing depends upon it.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 03:33:22 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on April 06, 2022, 03:31:38 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on April 06, 2022, 03:18:34 PM
Now this isn't a dig at Sinn Fein, I'm genuinely curious as to why they are framing this election as a chance for "real change", what will change ? They have been in power sharing since forever. I could understand it if it was another party that could become a power sharing partner but Sinn Fein are the establishment whether they like it or not.
So what will change ?
I'd imagine it's just a slogan that's been focus grouped to death by political parties the world over and found to be effective.
The alternative view is that it's a recognition of the fact that this could be the first election in the history of the state where Stormont could* be led by a party which isn't unionist. That's a seismic change in and of itself, symbolically if nothing else.
*That's if the DUP go back into the assembly with a SF First Minister - something I seriously doubt will happen.
If that happens then hopefully Alliance are able to go in as the second largest party. Leave those other bitter bastards on the sidelines where they belong. Either that or border poll time.
We won't win a border poll. It's utterly pointless calling for one.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 06, 2022, 03:34:11 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 03:28:55 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on April 06, 2022, 03:18:34 PM
Now this isn't a dig at Sinn Fein, I'm genuinely curious as to why they are framing this election as a chance for "real change", what will change ? They have been in power sharing since forever. I could understand it if it was another party that could become a power sharing partner but Sinn Fein are the establishment whether they like it or not.
So what will change ?
In fairness getting a SF First Minister would be huge. In terms of day to day? I think things are going to get a whole lot worse before they get better regardless of who is in charge.
It's the litmus test for Democratic Unionists. Will they accept a Nationalist FM? Or will they contrive a reason not to sit? It's a fairly significant stage for NI. And tbh power sharing depends upon it.
I would kind of agree with this. It would illustrate to nationalists that power sharing was only ever power sharing when the nationalists were second in command aka it was never really power sharing. On the other hand their voters etc would not want a first in command sf person even if first minister and deputy first minister are really the same.
The reality is we know the dup or the TUV really don't want to power share but how much do they want the gravy train. Though the question is are they still on the gravy train if they don't go into power. I would say they are
Quote from: trailer on April 06, 2022, 03:23:37 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 06, 2022, 02:53:55 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 06, 2022, 02:28:10 PM
They are a republican conservative party. Which makes them right wing.
No it doesnt lol. Jesus some uneducated gulpans on here
So are they socially liberal? Are they on the Left? Educate me. How do they feel about Gay marriage and same sex couples? (they oppose it)
Either way, they're a one issue party. They struggle to attract any sort of talent. A lot of anti vax conspiracy theorists and general loonies.
So socially conservative and economically left leaning makes them right winged, they had one anti vax loony who is thankfully gone-every party has had its loonies, paedar toibín is hardly talent-less, I cant find anything in their policy about gay marriage(if it is there, I will challenge locally), im a massive advocate for it, Im hoping to attend a close relatives wedding soon(gay marriage). Im going to guess that I am a bigger supporter of gay marriage than most on here and have more experience of it.
so the dup can get away with being anti democratic should there not be severe consequences
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 06, 2022, 03:48:12 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 06, 2022, 03:34:11 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 03:28:55 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on April 06, 2022, 03:18:34 PM
Now this isn't a dig at Sinn Fein, I'm genuinely curious as to why they are framing this election as a chance for "real change", what will change ? They have been in power sharing since forever. I could understand it if it was another party that could become a power sharing partner but Sinn Fein are the establishment whether they like it or not.
So what will change ?
In fairness getting a SF First Minister would be huge. In terms of day to day? I think things are going to get a whole lot worse before they get better regardless of who is in charge.
It's the litmus test for Democratic Unionists. Will they accept a Nationalist FM? Or will they contrive a reason not to sit? It's a fairly significant stage for NI. And tbh power sharing depends upon it.
I would kind of agree with this. It would illustrate to nationalists that power sharing was only ever power sharing when the nationalists were second in command aka it was never really power sharing. On the other hand their voters etc would not want a first in command sf person even if first minister and deputy first minister are really the same.
The reality is we know the dup or the TUV really don't want to power share but how much do they want the gravy train. Though the question is are they still on the gravy train if they don't go into power. I would say they are
SF having the FM role is purely symbolic but a body blow to the hardline unionists who've been raised on elitism for decades and will have to come to terms with the new reality that this place is now in limbo.
As for the DUP, in all honesty the Protocol is a red herring as Jeffrey is saying they won't go into the executive if it's still in place, he knows fine rightly it's here to stay in some form and all along they knew they were going to lose the biggest party to SF and that's why he's using the Protocol as a reason for not forming an executive with SF.
Can't see the Alliance overtaking them as the second biggest party, can anyone else see that happening?
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.
No way will alliance be second. I would agree on the pesky taigs thing. Croppy lie down attitude always finds it's way to surface.
Quote from: pbat on April 06, 2022, 04:46:47 PM
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.
I'm split over this tbh. I understand completely where your coming from but it gives SF and opportunity to be the bigger person. Plus for power sharing, it should have been joint posts (in name) from the get go.
I agree it should have always been joint FM, but it wasn't so I wouldn't cede it now to suit Jeff.
Quote from: pbat on April 06, 2022, 04:46:47 PM
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.
Did you ask them or nay of the parties about cost of living pressures & how working people are going to get help, pressures on the health system and how they will go about resolving them ?
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 06, 2022, 04:54:44 PM
Quote from: pbat on April 06, 2022, 04:46:47 PM
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.
I'm split over this tbh. I understand completely where your coming from but it gives SF and opportunity to be the bigger person. Plus for power sharing, it should have been joint posts (in name) from the get go.
I think unionists will try in the next while to push for a majority for both designations for any change i.e. border poll.
I.e. a majority of nationalists and also a majority of unionists required separately.
Quote from: marty34 on April 06, 2022, 06:02:44 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 06, 2022, 04:54:44 PM
Quote from: pbat on April 06, 2022, 04:46:47 PM
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.
I'm split over this tbh. I understand completely where your coming from but it gives SF and opportunity to be the bigger person. Plus for power sharing, it should have been joint posts (in name) from the get go.
I think unionists will try in the next while to push for a majority for both designations for any change i.e. border poll.
I.e. a majority of nationalists and also a majority of unionists required separately.
How about a majority of both designations to keep NI going, after all it was always seen as temporary arrangement?
Quote from: marty34 on April 06, 2022, 06:02:44 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 06, 2022, 04:54:44 PM
Quote from: pbat on April 06, 2022, 04:46:47 PM
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.
I'm split over this tbh. I understand completely where your coming from but it gives SF and opportunity to be the bigger person. Plus for power sharing, it should have been joint posts (in name) from the get go.
I think unionists will try in the next while to push for a majority for both designations for any change i.e. border poll.
I.e. a majority of nationalists and also a majority of unionists required separately.
Pie in the sky stuff. Who verifies whether someone is a nationalist or a Unionist? Will there be an oral where they ask you to pronounce the 8th letter of the alphabet?
;D ;D ;D
There will probably weeks of will they or wont they after this election better to ignore then all jim alistair will be on nolan every morning
Quote from: marty34 on April 06, 2022, 06:02:44 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 06, 2022, 04:54:44 PM
Quote from: pbat on April 06, 2022, 04:46:47 PM
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.
I'm split over this tbh. I understand completely where your coming from but it gives SF and opportunity to be the bigger person. Plus for power sharing, it should have been joint posts (in name) from the get go.
I think unionists will try in the next while to push for a majority for both designations for any change i.e. border poll.
I.e. a majority of nationalists and also a majority of unionists required separately.
That'll never work.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 06, 2022, 04:54:44 PM
Quote from: pbat on April 06, 2022, 04:46:47 PM
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.
I'm split over this tbh. I understand completely where your coming from but it gives SF and opportunity to be the bigger person. Plus for power sharing, it should have been joint posts (in name) from the get go.
It's win win. I'm in favour of it. Don't give them any excuse, call their bluffs. If they go for it, great, look at Republicans tending to the Unionist sensitivities of having to serve under a SF FM. If they refuse, the offer was there, a gesture SF weren't obliged to give but did anyway.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 06, 2022, 06:30:08 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 06, 2022, 06:02:44 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 06, 2022, 04:54:44 PM
Quote from: pbat on April 06, 2022, 04:46:47 PM
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.
I'm split over this tbh. I understand completely where your coming from but it gives SF and opportunity to be the bigger person. Plus for power sharing, it should have been joint posts (in name) from the get go.
I think unionists will try in the next while to push for a majority for both designations for any change i.e. border poll.
I.e. a majority of nationalists and also a majority of unionists required separately.
Pie in the sky stuff. Who verifies whether someone is a nationalist or a Unionist? Will there be an oral where they ask you to pronounce the 8th letter of the alphabet?
;D ;D ;D
No, political party wise per designation in the assembly.
If majority of nationalist parties want a border poll, all well and good but unionists need a majority also.
I'd say unionists will push for this change.
Whether it can be changed is another thing.
Quote from: marty34 on April 06, 2022, 07:33:17 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 06, 2022, 06:30:08 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 06, 2022, 06:02:44 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 06, 2022, 04:54:44 PM
Quote from: pbat on April 06, 2022, 04:46:47 PM
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.
I'm split over this tbh. I understand completely where your coming from but it gives SF and opportunity to be the bigger person. Plus for power sharing, it should have been joint posts (in name) from the get go.
I think unionists will try in the next while to push for a majority for both designations for any change i.e. border poll.
I.e. a majority of nationalists and also a majority of unionists required separately.
Pie in the sky stuff. Who verifies whether someone is a nationalist or a Unionist? Will there be an oral where they ask you to pronounce the 8th letter of the alphabet?
;D ;D ;D
No, political party wise per designation in the assembly.
If majority of nationalist parties want a border poll, all well and good but unionists need a majority also.
I'd say unionists will push for this change.
Whether it can be changed is another thing.
There goes the Good Friday agreement so.
Sure the people who never supported it say we can't have the protocol because it is in breach of the thing they never wanted.
Quote from: Snapchap on March 29, 2022, 11:12:54 AM
In fairness, I don't think it's a case that the two nationalist parties are constantly knocking each other - it's more a case that the SDLP are obsessive about attacking SF. SF rarely bother engaging in attacks on the SDLP. Brian Feeney recently wrote a very good column in the Irish News about this:
"It seems obligatory for SDLP speakers to attack Sinn Féin rather than promoting their own position on any matter. It's obsessive, it's repetitive, it's tedious, it's been constant for years. Sometimes its just silly, such as trying to say Sinn Féin's behaviour is the cause of the DUP threatening to pull down the executive.
Enoch Powell said never to mention political opponents in speeches because it only give them a chance to excercise their right of reply. You'll notice Sinn Féin seldom or never mentions the SDLP. They concentrate their assaults on their political enemy the DUP even though it's the SDLP that's their political antagonist for votes."
And he is right. Only last week, the Irish News was reporting on the SDLP annual conference over a two page spread. Each headline was about a speaker trying to link SF to the DUP's collapsing of the executive. You'd thing that surely SOMEONE in that party should be savy enough to know that absolutely nobody is stupid enough to fall for that and that it won't refelect well on them to be trying to take people for fools? Yet as Brian Feeney went on to say in his article:
"For some reason no-one in the SDLP seems to have realised that persistently attacking Sinn Féin doesn't work. They've been hammering away now through four leaders since John Hume. For a while they tried calling the DUP & Sinn Féin 'the problem parties'. No good. The voters didn't agree and continued to vote in increasing numbers for both.
Is relentlessly attacking Sinn Féin a strategy or has it long since become merely a reflex reaction?"
As if to prove Brian Feeney's point:
Yesterday, Colum Eastwood accompanied Nicola Mallon as she handed in her papers to the electoral office and he gave an interview to the Irish News. The first TEN PARAGRAPHS of the interview are attacks on SF.
Meanwhile, under his watch, the SDLP is polling at it's lowest ever in successive polls. One day the penny will drop with him. Surely. It's
bound to.
Quote from: Snapchap on April 07, 2022, 10:23:39 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 29, 2022, 11:12:54 AM
In fairness, I don't think it's a case that the two nationalist parties are constantly knocking each other - it's more a case that the SDLP are obsessive about attacking SF. SF rarely bother engaging in attacks on the SDLP. Brian Feeney recently wrote a very good column in the Irish News about this:
"It seems obligatory for SDLP speakers to attack Sinn Féin rather than promoting their own position on any matter. It's obsessive, it's repetitive, it's tedious, it's been constant for years. Sometimes its just silly, such as trying to say Sinn Féin's behaviour is the cause of the DUP threatening to pull down the executive.
Enoch Powell said never to mention political opponents in speeches because it only give them a chance to excercise their right of reply. You'll notice Sinn Féin seldom or never mentions the SDLP. They concentrate their assaults on their political enemy the DUP even though it's the SDLP that's their political antagonist for votes."
And he is right. Only last week, the Irish News was reporting on the SDLP annual conference over a two page spread. Each headline was about a speaker trying to link SF to the DUP's collapsing of the executive. You'd thing that surely SOMEONE in that party should be savy enough to know that absolutely nobody is stupid enough to fall for that and that it won't refelect well on them to be trying to take people for fools? Yet as Brian Feeney went on to say in his article:
"For some reason no-one in the SDLP seems to have realised that persistently attacking Sinn Féin doesn't work. They've been hammering away now through four leaders since John Hume. For a while they tried calling the DUP & Sinn Féin 'the problem parties'. No good. The voters didn't agree and continued to vote in increasing numbers for both.
Is relentlessly attacking Sinn Féin a strategy or has it long since become merely a reflex reaction?"
As if to prove Brian Feeney's point:
Yesterday, Colum Eastwood accompanied Nicola Mallon as she handed in her papers to the electoral office and he gave an interview to the Irish News. The first TEN PARAGRAPHS of the interview are attacks on SF.
Meanwhile, under his watch, the SDLP is polling at it's lowest ever in successive polls. One day the penny will drop with him. Surely. It's bound to.
There's just a certain arrogance to him I think.
Key issue for me was the attending the 'birthday party' in Armagh - celebrating the failed statelet. I think that annoyed a lot of middle of road nationalists.
PBP wont be getting many votes after yesterdays antics in Dáil, put that with their stance on killing babies and Brexit. The far left would want everyone back in Russia working meitheal style economies whilst toking joints
Quote from: marty34 on April 06, 2022, 06:02:44 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 06, 2022, 04:54:44 PM
Quote from: pbat on April 06, 2022, 04:46:47 PM
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.
I'm split over this tbh. I understand completely where your coming from but it gives SF and opportunity to be the bigger person. Plus for power sharing, it should have been joint posts (in name) from the get go.
The Brits are hardly likely to agree to that
I think unionists will try in the next while to push for a majority for both designations for any change i.e. border poll.
I.e. a majority of nationalists and also a majority of unionists required separately.
I think we should just go for a 30 county republic lol
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 07, 2022, 11:13:40 AM
I think we should just go for a 30 county republic lol
How dare you leave Derry and Antrim within the UK.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 07, 2022, 11:40:43 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 07, 2022, 11:13:40 AM
I think we should just go for a 30 county republic lol
How dare you leave Derry and Antrim within the UK.
Them and Rockall..
And Mayo ;D
Quote from: marty34 on April 07, 2022, 10:35:13 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on April 07, 2022, 10:23:39 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 29, 2022, 11:12:54 AM
In fairness, I don't think it's a case that the two nationalist parties are constantly knocking each other - it's more a case that the SDLP are obsessive about attacking SF. SF rarely bother engaging in attacks on the SDLP. Brian Feeney recently wrote a very good column in the Irish News about this:
"It seems obligatory for SDLP speakers to attack Sinn Féin rather than promoting their own position on any matter. It's obsessive, it's repetitive, it's tedious, it's been constant for years. Sometimes its just silly, such as trying to say Sinn Féin's behaviour is the cause of the DUP threatening to pull down the executive.
Enoch Powell said never to mention political opponents in speeches because it only give them a chance to excercise their right of reply. You'll notice Sinn Féin seldom or never mentions the SDLP. They concentrate their assaults on their political enemy the DUP even though it's the SDLP that's their political antagonist for votes."
And he is right. Only last week, the Irish News was reporting on the SDLP annual conference over a two page spread. Each headline was about a speaker trying to link SF to the DUP's collapsing of the executive. You'd thing that surely SOMEONE in that party should be savy enough to know that absolutely nobody is stupid enough to fall for that and that it won't refelect well on them to be trying to take people for fools? Yet as Brian Feeney went on to say in his article:
"For some reason no-one in the SDLP seems to have realised that persistently attacking Sinn Féin doesn't work. They've been hammering away now through four leaders since John Hume. For a while they tried calling the DUP & Sinn Féin 'the problem parties'. No good. The voters didn't agree and continued to vote in increasing numbers for both.
Is relentlessly attacking Sinn Féin a strategy or has it long since become merely a reflex reaction?"
As if to prove Brian Feeney's point:
Yesterday, Colum Eastwood accompanied Nicola Mallon as she handed in her papers to the electoral office and he gave an interview to the Irish News. The first TEN PARAGRAPHS of the interview are attacks on SF.
Meanwhile, under his watch, the SDLP is polling at it's lowest ever in successive polls. One day the penny will drop with him. Surely. It's bound to.
There's just a certain arrogance to him I think.
Key issue for me was the attending the 'birthday party' in Armagh - celebrating the failed statelet. I think that annoyed a lot of middle of road nationalists.
He doesn't come across well at all. If sdlp really want to progress they need hanna, Mallon or o'toole to be in charge.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 07, 2022, 11:13:40 AM
I think we should just go for a 30 county republic lol
How dare you leave Derry and Antrim within the UK.
antrim and yousans although id feel bad for yous the fight would go on. Border campaign 2023-29
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.
Quote from: trailer on April 07, 2022, 03:17:42 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.
Aye, and FF and the Blueshirts don't attack Shinners on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of your hypocrisy. Met any piemen going to the fair recently?
Quote from: trailer on April 07, 2022, 03:17:42 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.
Big cry a babies
Colm telling BBC The View that Nichola Mallon "made Casement happen". Ok?
Quote from: trailer on April 07, 2022, 03:17:42 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.
1. On your first part: SF are climbing in the polls, while the SDLP are slumping. I don't think it's a case of a bee in the bonnett. I think it's more a case of sheer bewilderment that the penny hasn't dropped with the SDLP that nationalists want their representatives to challenge the DUP, not other nationalists. Brian Feeney pointed out as much - noting that SF rarely as much as mention the SDLP. They focus their attacks on the DUP.
2. On your point re the south, what sort of halfwitted parallel are you trying to draw? Of course they focus their attacks on FF/FG in the south. What do you expect them to do? Not challenge any other parties? They are their direct political opponents, and closest electoral challengers in the south, in the same way as the DUP are their direct political opponents and closest electoral challengers in the north.
Quote from: Sportacus on April 07, 2022, 10:54:30 PM
Colm telling BBC The View that Nichola Mallon "made Casement happen". Ok?
Should never be going ahead
Quote from: Snapchap on April 08, 2022, 10:48:28 AM
Quote from: trailer on April 07, 2022, 03:17:42 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.
1. On your first part: SF are climbing in the polls, while the SDLP are slumping. I don't think it's a case of a bee in the bonnett. I think it's more a case of sheer bewilderment that the penny hasn't dropped with the SDLP that nationalists want their representatives to challenge the DUP, not other nationalists. Brian Feeney pointed out as much - noting that SF rarely as much as mention the SDLP. They focus their attacks on the DUP.
2. On your point re the south, what sort of halfwitted parallel are you trying to draw? Of course they focus their attacks on FF/FG in the south. What do you expect them to do? Not challenge any other parties? They are their direct political opponents, and closest electoral challengers in the south, in the same way as the DUP are their direct political opponents and closest electoral challengers in the north.
And the winner of this years "Tieing myself up in knots" trophy goes for the second year running to Snapchat.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 08, 2022, 11:48:41 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on April 08, 2022, 10:48:28 AM
Quote from: trailer on April 07, 2022, 03:17:42 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.
1. On your first part: SF are climbing in the polls, while the SDLP are slumping. I don't think it's a case of a bee in the bonnett. I think it's more a case of sheer bewilderment that the penny hasn't dropped with the SDLP that nationalists want their representatives to challenge the DUP, not other nationalists. Brian Feeney pointed out as much - noting that SF rarely as much as mention the SDLP. They focus their attacks on the DUP.
2. On your point re the south, what sort of halfwitted parallel are you trying to draw? Of course they focus their attacks on FF/FG in the south. What do you expect them to do? Not challenge any other parties? They are their direct political opponents, and closest electoral challengers in the south, in the same way as the DUP are their direct political opponents and closest electoral challengers in the north.
And the winner of this years "Tieing myself up in knots" trophy goes for the second year running to Snapchat.
From the lad who says Aontú are not right wing!!!
Quote from: Snapchap on April 08, 2022, 10:48:28 AM
Quote from: trailer on April 07, 2022, 03:17:42 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.
1. On your first part: SF are climbing in the polls, while the SDLP are slumping. I don't think it's a case of a bee in the bonnett. I think it's more a case of sheer bewilderment that the penny hasn't dropped with the SDLP that nationalists want their representatives to challenge the DUP, not other nationalists. Brian Feeney pointed out as much - noting that SF rarely as much as mention the SDLP. They focus their attacks on the DUP.
2. On your point re the south, what sort of halfwitted parallel are you trying to draw? Of course they focus their attacks on FF/FG in the south. What do you expect them to do? Not challenge any other parties? They are their direct political opponents, and closest electoral challengers in the south, in the same way as the DUP are their direct political opponents and closest electoral challengers in the north.
I dont care about my representatives challenging the DUP, I want my representatives to fix the everyday issues that we all face.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 08, 2022, 12:36:42 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on April 08, 2022, 10:48:28 AM
Quote from: trailer on April 07, 2022, 03:17:42 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.
1. On your first part: SF are climbing in the polls, while the SDLP are slumping. I don't think it's a case of a bee in the bonnett. I think it's more a case of sheer bewilderment that the penny hasn't dropped with the SDLP that nationalists want their representatives to challenge the DUP, not other nationalists. Brian Feeney pointed out as much - noting that SF rarely as much as mention the SDLP. They focus their attacks on the DUP.
2. On your point re the south, what sort of halfwitted parallel are you trying to draw? Of course they focus their attacks on FF/FG in the south. What do you expect them to do? Not challenge any other parties? They are their direct political opponents, and closest electoral challengers in the south, in the same way as the DUP are their direct political opponents and closest electoral challengers in the north.
I dont care about my representatives challenging the DUP, I want my representatives to fix the everyday issues that we all face.
Both main parties prefer a "themmuns" approach, neither are capable of dealing with big issues like health, education or cost of living or making tough decisions. If it's not dishing out money from an endless pot they aren't interested. Why do you think neither took the health portfolio after the last elections ?
Quote from: Sportacus on April 07, 2022, 10:54:30 PM
Colm telling BBC The View that Nichola Mallon "made Casement happen". Ok?
I'm surprised Colum hasn't mentioned he stopped Brexit.
His advisers need to tell him to tone it down a bit. Not a good look all the time.
I wonder does he want to get to the assembly instead of being a stooge in London, away from all the 'action'.
Quote from: Sportacus on April 07, 2022, 10:54:30 PM
Colm telling BBC The View that Nichola Mallon "made Casement happen". Ok?
Horseshit.
At the hearing recently, the MORA residents who are campaigning against the building of Casement requested more time to prepare their case - ie a stalling tactic. Refused by the judge who wants the Casement issue sorted as it has been dragging on for years.
Nichola Mallon's department will be in court again in the near future when the judge will decide the outcome.
If the judge rules against the building of Casement, the Antrim County Board are left without a county ground as a result of the bastards on the Ulster Council and their vision of a 38,000 stadium in West Belfast.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 08, 2022, 12:36:42 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on April 08, 2022, 10:48:28 AM
Quote from: trailer on April 07, 2022, 03:17:42 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.
1. On your first part: SF are climbing in the polls, while the SDLP are slumping. I don't think it's a case of a bee in the bonnett. I think it's more a case of sheer bewilderment that the penny hasn't dropped with the SDLP that nationalists want their representatives to challenge the DUP, not other nationalists. Brian Feeney pointed out as much - noting that SF rarely as much as mention the SDLP. They focus their attacks on the DUP.
2. On your point re the south, what sort of halfwitted parallel are you trying to draw? Of course they focus their attacks on FF/FG in the south. What do you expect them to do? Not challenge any other parties? They are their direct political opponents, and closest electoral challengers in the south, in the same way as the DUP are their direct political opponents and closest electoral challengers in the north.
I dont care about my representatives challenging the DUP, I want my representatives to fix the everyday issues that we all face.
Isn't it a given that people want their politicians to fix every day issues? Does that mean we should pretend that politicians don't engage in political arguments between each other? Or are you living in a pie in the sky fantasy land where you think it's possible for political parties to no longer challenge one another?
No "everyday issues" can/will be fixed while the DUP continue to boycott power sharing and continue their campaign to wreck the GFA. As it stands, their supremacist mindset is so entrenched that they are refusing to say if they will work the institutions (ie accept the result of a democtaric election) if they aren't in a dominant position over the fenians after it? Is it not fair to say that the nationalist community would prefer the SDLP challenge the DUP on all that, instead of yapping at SF?
Quote from: Antrim Coaster on April 08, 2022, 01:31:05 PM
If the judge rules against the building of Casement, the Antrim County Board are left without a county ground as a result of the bastards on the Ulster Council and their vision of a 38,000 stadium in West Belfast.
The Ulster Council have not come out well out of this. But Antrim should not have agreed to decommission Casement until work was ready to proceed, they too were enticed by a free stadium which they did not have to contribute to.
Quote from: marty34 on April 08, 2022, 12:20:39 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 08, 2022, 11:48:41 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on April 08, 2022, 10:48:28 AM
Quote from: trailer on April 07, 2022, 03:17:42 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.
1. On your first part: SF are climbing in the polls, while the SDLP are slumping. I don't think it's a case of a bee in the bonnett. I think it's more a case of sheer bewilderment that the penny hasn't dropped with the SDLP that nationalists want their representatives to challenge the DUP, not other nationalists. Brian Feeney pointed out as much - noting that SF rarely as much as mention the SDLP. They focus their attacks on the DUP.
2. On your point re the south, what sort of halfwitted parallel are you trying to draw? Of course they focus their attacks on FF/FG in the south. What do you expect them to do? Not challenge any other parties? They are their direct political opponents, and closest electoral challengers in the south, in the same way as the DUP are their direct political opponents and closest electoral challengers in the north.
And the winner of this years "Tieing myself up in knots" trophy goes for the second year running to Snapchat.
From the lad who says Aontú are not right wing!!!
Im most certainly not right wing but il be voting for Aontu in the election. ive voted SF my whole life but how they spun the abortion vote, how they dealt with Covid as one of the main parties and how their complete mandate seems to be stop the DUP. I seen Michelle O'Neills flyer the other day 'time for real change' given how long SF have been trying to do anything its a bit of a stretch to think that anything other than buzz words. Also, they completely take my vote for granted, they clearly have my house down as a SF house so never actually call at my door when canvassing. I like many others are sick of the 2 main parties here and their strategy of lets say and do the opposite of the other side.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 08, 2022, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: Antrim Coaster on April 08, 2022, 01:31:05 PM
If the judge rules against the building of Casement, the Antrim County Board are left without a county ground as a result of the bastards on the Ulster Council and their vision of a 38,000 stadium in West Belfast.
The Ulster Council have not come out well out of this. But Antrim should not have agreed to decommission Casement until work was ready to proceed, they too were enticed by a free stadium which they did not have to contribute to.
I'm not sure enticed was the correct choice of words there Armagh, there is a word for it but enticed definitely wasnt it. Maybe take a look at a reshuffle in UC shortly after and who was no longer part of the set up and start to ask why that would maybe be the case.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 08, 2022, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: Antrim Coaster on April 08, 2022, 01:31:05 PM
If the judge rules against the building of Casement, the Antrim County Board are left without a county ground as a result of the bastards on the Ulster Council and their vision of a 38,000 stadium in West Belfast.
The Ulster Council have not come out well out of this. But Antrim should not have agreed to decommission Casement until work was ready to proceed, they too were enticed by a free stadium which they did not have to contribute to.
The arrogance is astounding and this patter that they are speaking for the Gaels of Ulster is ridiculous
Those of you "voting for Aontú"....
Who will ye give preferences to or are ye going to be silly "Plumpers"??
Quote from: Rossfan on April 08, 2022, 03:38:25 PM
Those of you "voting for Aontú"....
Who will ye give preferences to or are ye going to be silly "Plumpers"??
Exactly having multiple nationalist parties can actually be great for nationalist turnout but it only works if voters transfer down the list
Quote from: NAG1 on April 08, 2022, 02:43:04 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 08, 2022, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: Antrim Coaster on April 08, 2022, 01:31:05 PM
If the judge rules against the building of Casement, the Antrim County Board are left without a county ground as a result of the bastards on the Ulster Council and their vision of a 38,000 stadium in West Belfast.
The Ulster Council have not come out well out of this. But Antrim should not have agreed to decommission Casement until work was ready to proceed, they too were enticed by a free stadium which they did not have to contribute to.
I'm not sure enticed was the correct choice of words there Armagh, there is a word for it but enticed definitely wasnt it. Maybe take a look at a reshuffle in UC shortly after and who was no longer part of the set up and start to ask why that would maybe be the case.
Mr Feeney perchance?
Antrim handled this very badly and I suppose they were led by the nose by the UC who ultimately will own Casement at the end of all this..
Quote from: trailer on April 07, 2022, 03:17:42 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.
As I've said elsewhere, the shinners are some of the thinnest skinned people in politics. Can't stand being attacked by their political opponents whose job it is to attack them. Good at dishing it out, not so good at taking it.
Yep, poor little Maryloo was almost crying in the Dáil the other day when An Taoiseach made some uncomplimentary remarks about SF, she took it so personally.
same with their foot soldiers get criticized at the doors they go into a state of shock
I'm going 1 Aontú Doyle 2 McLaughlin IRSP 3 Durkan
Doyle pro life republican, mcgocks republican working for Galliagh were I'm from, big durky sound man and only real gaa man on council and openly pro life
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 08, 2022, 07:00:42 PM
Afterall Durkan was the first person to "deliver Casement".
Yeah hopefully seen error of his ways, he's been through a very tough life ,nice lad, playing GAA in city when it wasn't flavour of the month and doesn't blow horns and party poppers to celebrate killing unborn babies. Done enough for a vote for me.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 08, 2022, 07:18:37 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 08, 2022, 07:00:42 PM
Afterall Durkan was the first person to "deliver Casement".
Yeah hopefully seen error of his ways, he's been through a very tough life ,nice lad, playing GAA in city when it wasn't flavour of the month and doesn't blow horns and party poppers to celebrate killing unborn babies. Done enough for a vote for me.
Durkan is as civil and as hard a working man as you will meet.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 08, 2022, 06:11:35 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 07, 2022, 03:17:42 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.
As I've said elsewhere, the shinners are some of the thinnest skinned people in politics. Can't stand being attacked by their political opponents whose job it is to attack them. Good at dishing it out, not so good at taking it.
Way to miss the point. No issue with parties attacking SF. That's politics. I've merely pointed out how self-harming it is for the SDLP to base their entire political strategy on not being SF. They don't have a real identity beyond attacking SF, and that's entirely their own doing.
When the world and it's dog can see that the DUP are the problem party, the SDLP persist on pushing the "as bad as eachother" line. I honestly believe the electorate are punishing them for trying to take them for fools with that strategy, and yet they can't help themselves.
Sorry to keep labouring the point, but as Brian Feeney said, it's worth noting that SF rarely attack the SDLP. They rarely even mention them, but focus their attacks on the DUP instead. Not hard to see why that's a better strategy for winning nationalist votes. The SDLP, bizarrely, still haven't worked that out for themselves.
Jeffrey and co taking stage at a protocol rally where there was a poster of doug Beattie with a noose round his neck. Classy.
Showing their true ugly colours alright.
How many thousands at the "rally"?
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2022, 10:26:00 AM
Jeffrey and co taking stage at a protocol rally where there was a poster of doug Beattie with a noose round his neck. Classy.
Dougs running mate in Upper Bann was at the rally.
Unionism is hilarious.
Anything that attaches itself to an individual like Bryson has absolutely lost the run of itself.
Is Bryson standing for Election?
Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2022, 11:38:57 AM
Is Bryson standing for Election?
No chance. Think he stood before and got about 7 votes
it goes beyound wanted to stay in union its about imposing right wing ideology on people they are right wingers before unionists
who was the guy with the cowboy hat was it some guy rusty thomas
Are the two Elliots standing for different Unionist parties (UUP and TUV) in FST related?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 10, 2022, 11:55:38 AM
Are the two Elliots standing for different Unionist parties (UUP and TUV) in FST related?
Cousins I believe
Quote from: Snapchap on April 08, 2022, 08:58:14 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 08, 2022, 06:11:35 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 07, 2022, 03:17:42 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.
As I've said elsewhere, the shinners are some of the thinnest skinned people in politics. Can't stand being attacked by their political opponents whose job it is to attack them. Good at dishing it out, not so good at taking it.
Way to miss the point. No issue with parties attacking SF. That's politics. I've merely pointed out how self-harming it is for the SDLP to base their entire political strategy on not being SF. They don't have a real identity beyond attacking SF, and that's entirely their own doing.
When the world and it's dog can see that the DUP are the problem party, the SDLP persist on pushing the "as bad as eachother" line. I honestly believe the electorate are punishing them for trying to take them for fools with that strategy, and yet they can't help themselves.
Sorry to keep labouring the point, but as Brian Feeney said, it's worth noting that SF rarely attack the SDLP. They rarely even mention them, but focus their attacks on the DUP instead. Not hard to see why that's a better strategy for winning nationalist votes. The SDLP, bizarrely, still haven't worked that out for themselves.
Why would you need to attack the party well off in polls, jesus sur work it out
I think the thing is his constant attacks are not working. Somebody in his PR needs to point it out to him and tell him to tone it down a bit...or stop it completely.
Since Eastwood has took over, he has lost his party suppprt in percentage terms.
As I've already stated the parties, outwith the DUP, will work and do work with each other and are willing to. The DUP is the problem. This 'they're as bad as each other' is casually threw out but the other parties do work together - maybe not to everyone's satisfaction but they try.
Saw a good few posters today. Aontú are similar to SF and vice versa while the SDLP's are similar colour and layout etc. to PBP or vice versa.
There seems to be some controversy after nearly all of these anti protocol events, the latest being a picture of Beattie with a noose around his neck and some crackpot called Rusty Thomas speaking from the platform. Its almost like a boy band going on tour with Bryson, Allister and Donaldson and one other every week. Donaldson in his desperation to shore up DUP votes is losing more credibility as a serious politician with each event. But he is afraid to rock the boat in the lead up to an election so he will continue to attend these mini hate fests.
Quotesome crackpot called Rusty Thomas
Just what the mix needed!
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/pastor-rusty-thomas-anti-protocol-23654725 (https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/pastor-rusty-thomas-anti-protocol-23654725)
It's getting more like a parody comedy every day that passes!
Apparently Donaldson has now said if the protocol isn't removed they're not going into government. Great >:(
Well tbh they never really were going into government anyway.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 11, 2022, 09:56:42 PM
Apparently Donaldson has now said if the protocol isn't removed they're not going into government. Great >:(
Well tbh they never really were going into government anyway.
As with all the major decisions since he took the leadership he will do whatever he is told by his superiors.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on April 11, 2022, 12:26:30 PM
Quotesome crackpot called Rusty Thomas
Just what the mix needed!
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/pastor-rusty-thomas-anti-protocol-23654725 (https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/pastor-rusty-thomas-anti-protocol-23654725)
Perhaps a united Ireland ain't such a good idea, seeing as the current border status keeps the lunatics corralled north of the border, (apologies to any Tyronies who take offense where none was intended).
We will probably have weeks and weeks boring talks after election
Time to ban election posters. Waste of money and sick looking at the f**ckers
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 12, 2022, 06:29:50 AM
Time to ban election posters. Waste of money and sick looking at the f**ckers
SF take the piss with them. I counted 22 in Hilltown village at the weekend.
Jim Wells has left the DUP
Does joint rule kick in if the Assembly doesn't work? Or direct rule from London?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 12, 2022, 06:29:50 AM
Time to ban election posters. Waste of money and sick looking at the f**ckers
Yeah, in this day and age, posters should be a thing of the past.
Must be expensive. I'd say each poster would be £5 - £10 each?
Quote from: marty34 on April 12, 2022, 10:30:52 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 12, 2022, 06:29:50 AM
Time to ban election posters. Waste of money and sick looking at the f**ckers
Yeah, in this day and age, posters should be a thing of the past.
Must be expensive. I'd say each poster would be £5 - £10 each?
Totally agree, such a waste of time and money not to mention the eyesore from having to look at them for weeks on end every time you stop at a junction.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 12, 2022, 10:18:18 AM
Does joint rule kick in if the Assembly doesn't work? Or direct rule from London?
Direct Rule I'd say but through whatever numpty gets landed with the Secretary of State punishment role.
I see Arlene having a dig at Jim Wells today after his resignation and support of the TUV candidate. Basically confirming what everybody already knew, but only when he leaves the party. There are plenty like him still in the DUP.
https://twitter.com/ArleneFosterUK/status/1513812264977113088?s=20&t=cHdklgdr9bOfgnmGe74pGA
Quote from: Rossfan on April 12, 2022, 10:45:29 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 12, 2022, 10:18:18 AM
Does joint rule kick in if the Assembly doesn't work? Or direct rule from London?
Direct Rule I'd say but through whatever numpty gets landed with the Secretary of State punishment role.
Not necessarily. Direct rule is a controversial step and isn't just automatically triggered in the event of an assembly collapse. During the last suspension, while the budget was set by Westminster, the allocation of the budget, as well as the day-to-day governance, was carried out by the civil service.
Presumably that same system will be brought in again till Unionism realises the GFA remains the only show in town?
Quote from: Snapchap on April 12, 2022, 12:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 12, 2022, 10:45:29 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 12, 2022, 10:18:18 AM
Does joint rule kick in if the Assembly doesn't work? Or direct rule from London?
Direct Rule I'd say but through whatever numpty gets landed with the Secretary of State punishment role.
Not necessarily. Direct rule is a controversial step and isn't just automatically triggered in the event of an assembly collapse. During the last suspension, while the budget was set by Westminster, the allocation of the budget, as well as the day-to-day governance, was carried out by the civil service.
The current ministers stay in situ and run the departments. Which is a completely undemocratic and provides us with shite government.
The DUP have to go in to government, they are committing the biggest act of self sabotage since Brexit if they don't.
Quote from: trailer on April 12, 2022, 12:26:38 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on April 12, 2022, 12:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 12, 2022, 10:45:29 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 12, 2022, 10:18:18 AM
Does joint rule kick in if the Assembly doesn't work? Or direct rule from London?
Direct Rule I'd say but through whatever numpty gets landed with the Secretary of State punishment role.
Not necessarily. Direct rule is a controversial step and isn't just automatically triggered in the event of an assembly collapse. During the last suspension, while the budget was set by Westminster, the allocation of the budget, as well as the day-to-day governance, was carried out by the civil service.
The current ministers stay in situ and run the departments. Which is a completely undemocratic and provides us with shite government.
The DUP have to go in to government, they are committing the biggest act of self sabotage since Brexit if they don't.
Can't see it but Christ wouldn't it be brilliant if DUP were the 3rd biggest party
The Wells thing and Arlene Foster out with the knives is pretty big too. They are a mess. It will be a sad reflection of our society if they are still the biggest party or anything next to near it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 12, 2022, 12:45:54 PM
The Wells thing and Arlene Foster out with the knives is pretty big too. They are a mess. It will be a sad reflection of our society if they are still the biggest party or anything next to near it.
Arlene going in two footed on Well's but asks the question as when she was leader did she not do more if he's such a misogynist and self serving bollox, but then again that seems par for the course with that particular party.
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Does joint rule kick in if the Assembly doesn't work? Or direct rule from London?
Direct Rule I'd say but through whatever numpty gets landed with the Secretary of State punishment role.
Not necessarily. Direct rule is a controversial step and isn't just automatically triggered in the event of an assembly collapse. During the last suspension, while the budget was set by Westminster, the allocation of the budget, as well as the day-to-day governance, was carried out by the civil service.
The current ministers stay in situ and run the departments. Which is a completely undemocratic and provides us with shite government.
The DUP have to go in to government, they are committing the biggest act of self sabotage since Brexit if they don't.
The DUP think Brexit was a good thing.
What about the distasteful tweet by the clown John Taylor?
Obviously I don't want to put it up but it was nasty.
He's another Wells.
She wasn't so mouthy against the ginger ninja the other day.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 12, 2022, 01:06:06 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 12, 2022, 12:45:54 PM
The Wells thing and Arlene Foster out with the knives is pretty big too. They are a mess. It will be a sad reflection of our society if they are still the biggest party or anything next to near it.
Arlene going in two footed on Well's but asks the question as when she was leader did she not do more if he's such a misogynist and self serving bollox, but then again that seems par for the course with that particular party.
Correct Johnny - she had, as boss, chances to pull him up over these kinds of issues but never did - kind of, ah, sure isn't that our Jim' type of thing.
DUP in a real mess - the party must be badly split still since the Poots' leadership bid etc.
Wtf is the Pastor Rusty thing about? It really is a wtf moment thing. I saw a photo of him with Allister at Stomont yet Allister denies knowing who brought him to the Lurgan rally.
They are really heading to the Trump style political side shows now.
It also indicates what we really know - the leader of the party is really just a figurehead an not actually a leader at all. If she led Wells would be out. If Jeffrey really led then Wells would have been out and arguably Poots.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 12, 2022, 03:01:41 PM
It also indicates what we really know - the leader of the party is really just a figurehead an not actually a leader at all. If she led Wells would be out. If Jeffrey really led then Wells would have been out and arguably Poots.
The DUP leader no matter who is in position, is merely a puppet figurehead ever since Paisley retired. You only have to look at Jeffrey Donaldson standing on a public platform with dignitaries such as Jamie Bryson and Rusty Thomas to know what lengths he will go to in order to try and shore up votes. He will do whatever OO and LCC tell him to do, the same as Arlene before him. Doug Beattie has already admitted that he has received threats in relation to him pulling his support for the anti protocol rallies. At least Beattie is leading his party whereas with Jeffrey Donaldson it is hard to know what exactly he stands for, he would fit in well with the current Tory party.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 12, 2022, 03:01:41 PM
It also indicates what we really know - the leader of the party is really just a figurehead an not actually a leader at all. If she led Wells would be out. If Jeffrey really led then Wells would have been out and arguably Poots.
Tim Cairns had a bit of a nibble back at Arlene there on Twatter. Need to keep an eye on that one.
In relation as to who is actually running the DUP, there's evidently two factions vying for power, Poots was the leader of one as he narrowly beat Jeffrey to the first leaders election after he'd run Arlene out of town.
Jeffrey got his second bite when Poots was undermined when he evidently agreed to the ILA being passed in WM to get Givan in the hotseat.
But ever since there's been leaks from both sides, Jeffrey talking to the UUP about defecting and Poots having to move to South Belfast as he wasn't wanted in South Down must have been a kick in the balls for him...
This will get nasty if things really go pear shaped in May and it will be interesting who takes what side in the battle within the DUP shíthouse.
Loyalists are starting to get restless. SF election posters in Portadown has them up in arms, likewise the sight of SDLP posters in south Belfast has them riled - even confronted by the brave, female candidate who they then assaulted. 5th of May will be a hard one for them to swallow
Quote from: general_lee on April 12, 2022, 11:30:11 PM
Loyalists are starting to get restless. SF election posters in Portadown has them up in arms, likewise the sight of SDLP posters in south Belfast has them riled - even confronted by the brave, female candidate who they then assaulted. 5th of May will be a hard one for them to swallow
TUV ad was on tv last night. Got a great laugh out of it, pure and utter bigotted propaganda.
Fun drinking game would be take a shot every time Sinn Fein is mentioned. Says a lot about the state of the North that they'll probably get a decent chunk of votes.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 13, 2022, 07:36:09 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 12, 2022, 11:30:11 PM
Loyalists are starting to get restless. SF election posters in Portadown has them up in arms, likewise the sight of SDLP posters in south Belfast has them riled - even confronted by the brave, female candidate who they then assaulted. 5th of May will be a hard one for them to swallow
TUV ad was on tv last night. Got a great laugh out of it, pure and utter bigotted propaganda.
Fun drinking game would be take a shot every time Sinn Fein is mentioned. Says a lot about the state of the North that they'll probably get a decent chunk of votes.
won't be shocked to see the TUV do well either as there are still loads of bitter loyalists here.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 13, 2022, 07:36:09 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 12, 2022, 11:30:11 PM
Loyalists are starting to get restless. SF election posters in Portadown has them up in arms, likewise the sight of SDLP posters in south Belfast has them riled - even confronted by the brave, female candidate who they then assaulted. 5th of May will be a hard one for them to swallow
TUV ad was on tv last night. Got a great laugh out of it, pure and utter bigotted propaganda.
Fun drinking game would be take a shot every time Sinn Fein is mentioned. Says a lot about the state of the North that they'll probably get a decent chunk of votes.
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Heard about this. Anyone got a video of it?
Quote from: clarshack on April 13, 2022, 08:28:40 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 13, 2022, 07:36:09 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 12, 2022, 11:30:11 PM
Loyalists are starting to get restless. SF election posters in Portadown has them up in arms, likewise the sight of SDLP posters in south Belfast has them riled - even confronted by the brave, female candidate who they then assaulted. 5th of May will be a hard one for them to swallow
TUV ad was on tv last night. Got a great laugh out of it, pure and utter bigotted propaganda.
Fun drinking game would be take a shot every time Sinn Fein is mentioned. Says a lot about the state of the North that they'll probably get a decent chunk of votes.
won't be shocked to see the TUV do well either as there are still loads of bitter loyalists here.
Will they do well enough to get a candidate over the line anywhere else other than North Antrim?
I don't think they will but they'll probably give the DUP quite a lot of transfers which in all fairness were probably DUP first preference voters in the past anyway,,
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Quote from: clarshack on April 13, 2022, 08:28:40 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 13, 2022, 07:36:09 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 12, 2022, 11:30:11 PM
Loyalists are starting to get restless. SF election posters in Portadown has them up in arms, likewise the sight of SDLP posters in south Belfast has them riled - even confronted by the brave, female candidate who they then assaulted. 5th of May will be a hard one for them to swallow
TUV ad was on tv last night. Got a great laugh out of it, pure and utter bigotted propaganda.
Fun drinking game would be take a shot every time Sinn Fein is mentioned. Says a lot about the state of the North that they'll probably get a decent chunk of votes.
won't be shocked to see the TUV do well either as there are still loads of bitter loyalists here.
Will they do well enough to get a candidate over the line anywhere else other than North Antrim?
I don't think they will but they'll probably give the DUP quite a lot of transfers which in all fairness were probably DUP first preference voters in the past anyway,,
Yeah I'd say that's most likely but wouldn't be overly surprised if they nick a seat somewhere else ahead of the DUP.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 13, 2022, 08:33:26 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 13, 2022, 07:36:09 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 12, 2022, 11:30:11 PM
Loyalists are starting to get restless. SF election posters in Portadown has them up in arms, likewise the sight of SDLP posters in south Belfast has them riled - even confronted by the brave, female candidate who they then assaulted. 5th of May will be a hard one for them to swallow
TUV ad was on tv last night. Got a great laugh out of it, pure and utter bigotted propaganda.
Fun drinking game would be take a shot every time Sinn Fein is mentioned. Says a lot about the state of the North that they'll probably get a decent chunk of votes.
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Heard about this. Anyone got a video of it?
Nope but I'm sure it'll be repeated this evening. Brutal stuff.
TUV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlpAJQ_cjmo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlpAJQ_cjmo)
DUP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8XqlmfMWoY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8XqlmfMWoY)
SF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZhI8Br64hE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZhI8Br64hE)
SDLP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2dY2lY9vU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2dY2lY9vU)
Quote from: trailer on April 13, 2022, 09:26:17 AM
TUV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlpAJQ_cjmo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlpAJQ_cjmo)
DUP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8XqlmfMWoY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8XqlmfMWoY)
SF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZhI8Br64hE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZhI8Br64hE)
SDLP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2dY2lY9vU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2dY2lY9vU)
They usually are a big cringe fest. Not being bias but I thought Eastwood and Finucane spoke the best. The TUV peb was what you would expect even managed to squeeze in a stormoUnt for laughs. The Alliance peb was pretty dull but did well to keep Naomi out of some if it because she can be quite irritating. The Dup production wise was actually ok if you just ignore the lies about the protocol
You missed the uup peb. Just checked it out on iPlayer the most blatant tick box for diversity you will ever see even managed to crowbar in a girl playing camogie ;D
Quote from: trailer on April 13, 2022, 09:26:17 AM
TUV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlpAJQ_cjmo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlpAJQ_cjmo)
DUP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8XqlmfMWoY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8XqlmfMWoY)
SF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZhI8Br64hE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZhI8Br64hE)
SDLP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2dY2lY9vU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2dY2lY9vU)
TUV marginally edge out DUP on the number of times Sinn Fein is mentioned, 5 v 4
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Quote from: trailer on April 13, 2022, 09:26:17 AM
TUV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlpAJQ_cjmo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlpAJQ_cjmo)
DUP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8XqlmfMWoY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8XqlmfMWoY)
SF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZhI8Br64hE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZhI8Br64hE)
SDLP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2dY2lY9vU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2dY2lY9vU)
TUV marginally edge out DUP on the number of times Sinn Fein is mentioned, 5 v 4
Do these broadcasts really make a difference?
TUV is a bit mad alright - worse actually than I thought it'd be. I suppose that's their game - appealing to that type of loyalism and with Allister at the wheel and getting loads of PR on Nolan this past 18 months, then it'll get them plenty of votes.
Be interesting to see the lie of the land on the 6th/7th of May.
The TUV are bonkers. I don't even know how many realistic candidates they have but it is a worry they will get more votes.
It is going to be interesting to see where the DUP sit and if the UUP can step up. Tbh I don't think from a nationalist standpoint huge amounts will change but it really will be interesting to see whether unionism rejects the shit stirring bile you get on Nolan or whether on the whole they want to shift to more moderate UUP / Alliance.
When it's all over there probably won't even be a stormont anyway >:(
Unionism is in a state of chaos. Brexit and demographics have changed everything.
where can you find the nominations for candidates in the 6 counties?
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 13, 2022, 01:46:19 PM
where can you find the nominations for candidates in the 6 counties?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Northern_Ireland_Assembly_election
Got a TUV leaflet in the post there......12 times Sein Fein are mention in it.
Its now in the fire where it belongs
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 13, 2022, 02:08:55 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 13, 2022, 01:46:19 PM
where can you find the nominations for candidates in the 6 counties?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Northern_Ireland_Assembly_election
Sorry I meant the signatures of the people who nominated the candidates, does this be online?
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 13, 2022, 02:24:58 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 13, 2022, 02:08:55 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 13, 2022, 01:46:19 PM
where can you find the nominations for candidates in the 6 counties?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Northern_Ireland_Assembly_election
Sorry I meant the signatures of the people who nominated the candidates, does this be online?
https://www.eoni.org.uk/Elections/Information-for-candidates-and-agents/Statement-of-Persons-Nominated-and-Notice-of-Poll (https://www.eoni.org.uk/Elections/Information-for-candidates-and-agents/Statement-of-Persons-Nominated-and-Notice-of-Poll)
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 13, 2022, 02:24:58 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 13, 2022, 02:08:55 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 13, 2022, 01:46:19 PM
where can you find the nominations for candidates in the 6 counties?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Northern_Ireland_Assembly_election
Sorry I meant the signatures of the people who nominated the candidates, does this be online?
Haven't seen this anywhere sorry, unless it's buried in that wiki article somewhere!
Quote from: trailer on April 13, 2022, 02:32:39 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 13, 2022, 02:24:58 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 13, 2022, 02:08:55 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 13, 2022, 01:46:19 PM
where can you find the nominations for candidates in the 6 counties?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Northern_Ireland_Assembly_election
Sorry I meant the signatures of the people who nominated the candidates, does this be online?
https://www.eoni.org.uk/Elections/Information-for-candidates-and-agents/Statement-of-Persons-Nominated-and-Notice-of-Poll (https://www.eoni.org.uk/Elections/Information-for-candidates-and-agents/Statement-of-Persons-Nominated-and-Notice-of-Poll)
Thank you
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/mary-lou-now-a-bigger-problem-for-unionism-than-mcguinness-and-adams-1.4761968
unionists cannot rely on helpful circumstances and benign outcomes. They have been caught on the hop far too often since 2016. They need to be prepared for every outcome and have thought-through strategies for every eventuality.unionists cannot rely on helpful circumstances and benign outcomes. They have been caught on the hop far too often since 2016. They need to be prepared for every outcome and have thought-through strategies for every eventuality.
The bastards have been broken with equality.
Quote from: seafoid on April 13, 2022, 04:21:18 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/mary-lou-now-a-bigger-problem-for-unionism-than-mcguinness-and-adams-1.4761968
unionists cannot rely on helpful circumstances and benign outcomes. They have been caught on the hop far too often since 2016. They need to be prepared for every outcome and have thought-through strategies for every eventuality.unionists cannot rely on helpful circumstances and benign outcomes. They have been caught on the hop far too often since 2016. They need to be prepared for every outcome and have thought-through strategies for every eventuality.
I think it was Jim Molyneaux who stated after the ceasefire that it was the worst thing to happen to unionism.
He understood that they had no more excuses and equaliry would be a problem.
Re: fm and dfm, it rings true about not accepting nationalists as equal.
Quote from: red hander on April 13, 2022, 05:40:34 PM
The bastards have been broken with equality.
And emigration. All the best ones left. There is a very high gobshite quotient amongst the ones remaining.
Quote from: red hander on April 13, 2022, 05:40:34 PM
The bastards have been broken with equality.
I think you are bang on :(
Quote from: seafoid on April 13, 2022, 06:19:04 PM
And emigration. All the best ones left. There is a very high gobshite quotient amongst the ones remaining.
Sounds like the West of Ireland.
Quote from: seafoid on April 13, 2022, 06:19:04 PM
Quote from: red hander on April 13, 2022, 05:40:34 PM
The bastards have been broken with equality.
And emigration. All the best ones left. There is a very high gobshite quotient amongst the ones remaining.
I think this is undoubtedly true. There has been a massive brain drain within political unionism over the last few decades as most of their sharpest minds are all near retirement age. Whether you like them or not Allister, Dodds, Robinson and Foster were probably 4 of their smartest operators politically.
The Union itself will come under jeopardy over the course of the next generation and there is no incentive for young Protestants to enter political life when you see the treatment doled out to their politicians by loyalists. Beattie stood up to it and has been vilified whilst Donaldson is playing along with it but is a lame duck. This vacuum in unionist leadership has been filled by dimwits like Bryson and Holmes who will take unionism further into the gutter.
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 12, 2022, 10:14:11 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 12, 2022, 06:29:50 AM
Time to ban election posters. Waste of money and sick looking at the f**ckers
SF take the piss with them. I counted 22 in Hilltown village at the weekend.
Jim Wells has left the DUP
Agree with the posters, was driving with the missus into Enniskillen and SF had posters up on every lamp-post. Must be 10 of Jemma Dolan for half a mile.
Do any of the other parties seem to be having as much trouble with election posters as the SDLP? The cynic in me nearly thinks they're doing it deliberately to gain sympathy from voters.
Quote from: Ghost on April 14, 2022, 08:14:16 AM
Do any of the other parties seem to be having as much trouble with election posters as the SDLP? The cynic in me nearly thinks they're doing it deliberately to gain sympathy from voters.
Absolutely zero issue with the SDLP posters in the North West ;)
Quote from: Ghost on April 14, 2022, 08:14:16 AM
Do any of the other parties seem to be having as much trouble with election posters as the SDLP? The cynic in me nearly thinks they're doing it deliberately to gain sympathy from voters.
I doubt that one in ormeau park was staged but it is odd they seem to be targeted more than SF. Tbh what I think is possible is that they are just the only ones highlighting it. I am sure it goes on for plenty of parties.
I don't know too many people that would change who they are voting for because a party had their posters taken down. Posters are a waste of time now with the various social media channels out there
Absolutely. I dunno who would change a vote based on a poster.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 14, 2022, 08:34:28 AM
Quote from: Ghost on April 14, 2022, 08:14:16 AM
Do any of the other parties seem to be having as much trouble with election posters as the SDLP? The cynic in me nearly thinks they're doing it deliberately to gain sympathy from voters.
I doubt that one in ormeau park was staged but it is odd they seem to be targeted more than SF. Tbh what I think is possible is that they are just the only ones highlighting it. I am sure it goes on for plenty of parties.
It happens to all parties, I know for a fact that majority of SF posters around Armagh City were ripped down and have seen DUP ones half ripped from lamp posts in a few other places.
Saw quite a few Alliance reports and then with the obligatory "it is an attack on democracy but will not deter us......" etc etc
Probably depends how active they are on social media
I just saw a TUV election leaflet. Aside from the SF stuff the two tier policing stuff is laughable. Did he watch what were basically paramilitaries march through newtownards road being watched by the cops on the newtownards road and then watch how a couple of families tried to commemorate their dead on the ormeau road on the anniversary of the sean graham shooting and get arrested? That's not to mention constant threats by loyalist paramilitaries and then very suspicious circumstances around the likes of that poor wee fella Donohue. You couldn't make it up.
Quote from: Ghost on April 14, 2022, 08:14:16 AM
Do any of the other parties seem to be having as much trouble with election posters as the SDLP? The cynic in me nearly thinks they're doing it deliberately to gain sympathy from voters.
The old double bluff!! On a similar vein, it's interesting that there hasn't been a single act of vandalism carried out at the Kingsmill Monument since the late Willie Frazer passed away
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 14, 2022, 09:26:51 AM
Quote from: Ghost on April 14, 2022, 08:14:16 AM
Do any of the other parties seem to be having as much trouble with election posters as the SDLP? The cynic in me nearly thinks they're doing it deliberately to gain sympathy from voters.
The old double bluff!! On a similar vein, it's interesting that there hasn't been a single act of vandalism carried out at the Kingsmill Monument since the late Willie Frazer passed away
95% chance that anything done to that was Willie and his mates. Know someone who more or less caught him red handed defacing a different memorial to an IRA victim many years ago
Jesus imagine that boy was about at the minute.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 14, 2022, 09:36:35 AM
Jesus imagine that boy was about at the minute.
I miss him and LAD, he never failed to give them plenty of material
LAD have cleared out to dublin. Death threats etc galore.
is being vaccine zealot going to come back to haunt eastwood
Quote from: Ghost on April 14, 2022, 08:14:16 AM
Do any of the other parties seem to be having as much trouble with election posters as the SDLP? The cynic in me nearly thinks they're doing it deliberately to gain sympathy from voters.
Doug Beattie had a noose put round his neck on a stolen poster but yeah its an SDLP thing they're making up.
What a f**king take.
Quote from: Eire90 on April 14, 2022, 12:46:40 PM
is being vaccine zealot going to come back to haunt eastwood
I think their stance on nhs workers having to get the vaccine or else they lose their jobs may detrimentally impact sdlp tbh.
Quote from: Eire90 on April 14, 2022, 12:46:40 PM
is being vaccine zealot going to come back to haunt eastwood
Don't think so, we'll not much, vast majority understand the need for vaccines. The ones who don't can find a like minded individual in Anne McCloskey, she'll poll 3k approx = the number of folk (small but very vocal) she took down her particular rabbit hole
Quote from: Saffrongael on April 14, 2022, 09:15:01 AM
Saw quite a few Alliance reports and then with the obligatory "it is an attack on democracy but will not deter us......" etc etc
Probably depends how active they are on social media
the north is not a democracy so all this is hardly a surprise ::)
Quote from: JoG2 on April 14, 2022, 01:24:03 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on April 14, 2022, 12:46:40 PM
is being vaccine zealot going to come back to haunt eastwood
Don't think so, we'll not much, vast majority understand the need for vaccines. The ones who don't can find a like minded individual in Anne McCloskey, she'll poll 3k approx = the number of folk (small but very vocal) she took down her particular rabbit hole
You reckon she'll get 3000 votes?
Quote from: marty34 on April 14, 2022, 02:39:33 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 14, 2022, 01:24:03 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on April 14, 2022, 12:46:40 PM
is being vaccine zealot going to come back to haunt eastwood
Don't think so, we'll not much, vast majority understand the need for vaccines. The ones who don't can find a like minded individual in Anne McCloskey, she'll poll 3k approx = the number of folk (small but very vocal) she took down her particular rabbit hole
You reckon she'll get 3000 votes?
Prob not, 3k upwards is the number of followers she has on social media, depending on what percentage continue to follow her and vote. Though I think it's all about Ukraine and climate change these days with McCloskey and Co
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 14, 2022, 09:26:51 AM
Quote from: Ghost on April 14, 2022, 08:14:16 AM
Do any of the other parties seem to be having as much trouble with election posters as the SDLP? The cynic in me nearly thinks they're doing it deliberately to gain sympathy from voters.
The old double bluff!! On a similar vein, it's interesting that there hasn't been a single act of vandalism carried out at the Kingsmill Monument since the late Willie Frazer passed away
The original Kingsmills memorial, was there for over 30 years, and was never vandalized once, not once. When Willie and his mates were plastering the new one, they took a 30 minute lunch break and when they came back there was IRA scratched into the plaster!! Did they plaster over it? Did they f**k, they rang every newsagency in the North who descended in their droves. He even went over to Bessbrook and brought over the poor elderly wife of one of the victims to show her in his words, "What the people of Whitecross thought of innocent victims'
The SDLP when asked about it, couldn't state the obvious that Willie done it himself because they would have been roasted by the media for victim blaming. SF for obvious reasons couldn't comment on it either. But of all the shit that Willie got up to , this was one low act that was amongst the worst of his career. Anyway f**k him, he's dead.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 14, 2022, 02:49:35 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 14, 2022, 02:39:33 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 14, 2022, 01:24:03 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on April 14, 2022, 12:46:40 PM
is being vaccine zealot going to come back to haunt eastwood
Don't think so, we'll not much, vast majority understand the need for vaccines. The ones who don't can find a like minded individual in Anne McCloskey, she'll poll 3k approx = the number of folk (small but very vocal) she took down her particular rabbit hole
You reckon she'll get 3000 votes?
Prob not, 3k upwards is the number of followers she has on social media, depending on what percentage continue to follow her and vote. Though I think it's all about Ukraine and climate change these days with McCloskey and Co
There are people who will follow her to see the bonkers shit she comes out with. Voting would be a fraction of that I imagine.
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is being vaccine zealot going to come back to haunt eastwood
Don't think so, we'll not much, vast majority understand the need for vaccines. The ones who don't can find a like minded individual in Anne McCloskey, she'll poll 3k approx = the number of folk (small but very vocal) she took down her particular rabbit hole
You reckon she'll get 3000 votes?
Prob not, 3k upwards is the number of followers she has on social media, depending on what percentage continue to follow her and vote. Though I think it's all about Ukraine and climate change these days with McCloskey and Co
There are people who will follow her to see the bonkers shit she comes out with. Voting would be a fraction of that I imagine.
Hopefully Tommy
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Quote from: Eire90 on April 14, 2022, 12:46:40 PM
is being vaccine zealot going to come back to haunt eastwood
Don't think so, we'll not much, vast majority understand the need for vaccines. The ones who don't can find a like minded individual in Anne McCloskey, she'll poll 3k approx = the number of folk (small but very vocal) she took down her particular rabbit hole
Jog2 she had not come out as anti vax or at least I dont think as openly when she last stood, people did not vote for her on that basis. Aontú will hopefully keep some votes away from her but she might pick up others elsewhere.
She has a very big on the ground following in Shantallow through her years working out of Shanty Clinic
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Quote from: Eire90 on April 14, 2022, 12:46:40 PM
is being vaccine zealot going to come back to haunt eastwood
Don't think so, we'll not much, vast majority understand the need for vaccines. The ones who don't can find a like minded individual in Anne McCloskey, she'll poll 3k approx = the number of folk (small but very vocal) she took down her particular rabbit hole
You reckon she'll get 3000 votes?
Prob not, 3k upwards is the number of followers she has on social media, depending on what percentage continue to follow her and vote. Though I think it's all about Ukraine and climate change these days with McCloskey and Co
so is she now a war expert i think the man from strabane is going about claming to a war expert aswell
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Quote from: Eire90 on April 14, 2022, 12:46:40 PM
is being vaccine zealot going to come back to haunt eastwood
Don't think so, we'll not much, vast majority understand the need for vaccines. The ones who don't can find a like minded individual in Anne McCloskey, she'll poll 3k approx = the number of folk (small but very vocal) she took down her particular rabbit hole
You reckon she'll get 3000 votes?
Prob not, 3k upwards is the number of followers she has on social media, depending on what percentage continue to follow her and vote. Though I think it's all about Ukraine and climate change these days with McCloskey and Co
There are people who will follow her to see the bonkers shit she comes out with. Voting would be a fraction of that I imagine.
Hopefully Tommy
I follow George Galloway for an alternative version of reality to see what different people think. I would guess many would do the same here.
i think some people follow people they dont like like some labour voters probably follow boris johnson.
i wonder if mccloskey will scream election was rigged if they lose those types seem to do it a lot look what happen with trump there is already people in ireland saying election will be rigged against le pen.
I'd like to vote for the next candidate I hear do an interview who says "yeah, that's a fair point, I think we got that wrong". But it just never happens, maybe Doug Beattie the exception.
Jim Wells is some clown, walking about rathfriland with a ladder at half 8 on a Friday nite putting up TUV posters. Anything to keep a woman out of a job
https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rangers?src=hashtag_click
There are quite a lot of independent candidates in this election, and I was trying to work out which are Independent Unionist, Independent Nationalist or others. I obviously don't have local knowledge of every area, so if anyone can shed more light, please do
Independent Nationalists
Mid Ulster - Conor Rafferty.
Foyle - Anne McCloskey.
West Tyrone - Paul Gallagher.
Independent Unionists
North Antrim - Laird Shingleton
North Down - Alex Easton
North Down - Ray McKimm
Lagan Valley - Gary Hynds
East Derry - Claire Sugden
Upper Bann - Glenn Beattie
Others
North Belfast - Stafford Ward
South Belfast- Elly Odhiambo
West Belfast - Gerard Burns
West Belfast - Declan Hill
West Belfast - Tony Mallon
Mid Ulster - Patrick Haughey
South Antrim - Andrew Moran
North Down - Chris Carter
South Down - Patrick Clarke
FST - Derek Blackhouse
FST - Emma DeSouza
East Derry - Niall Murphy
East Derry - Stephanie Quigley
East Derry - Billy Stewart
Newry & Armagh - Gavin Malone
Strangford - Ben King
West Tyrone - Barry Brown
I think desouza is nationalist.
Not sure Mccloskey should count as nationalist...
Gavin Malone a Nationalist from Newry.
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Gavin Malone a Nationalist from Newry.
Topped the poll in Newry in the last local government elections, outpolling the combined vote of the two SDLP candidates and will poll heavily again in Newry. Will be a nuisance to both SF and SDLP, but unlikely to have sufficient votes in the rest of the constituency to be elected.
I haven't counted Gavin Malone because he isn't standing as a Nationalist candidate. He standing on a 'Man of the people's 'Save the Hospital ' 'Build the Park ticket. I've never heard him mention constitutional or identity issues.
McCloskey on the other hand was until very receive deputy leader of Aontú
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I think desouza is nationalist.
Not sure Mccloskey should count as nationalist...
What is she standing for? What issues? Does anyone know?
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 16, 2022, 09:06:24 PM
I think desouza is nationalist.
Not sure Mccloskey should count as nationalist...
She was in sinn Féin a lifetime so we would have to assume safely enough she is nationalist
Quigley be very Good in East Derry, was in SDLP, so not sure what happened there.
will eastwood be gone if sdlp do bad.
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I think desouza is nationalist.
Not sure Mccloskey should count as nationalist...
What is she standing for? What issues? Does anyone know?
Distressed sheep according to her pinned tweet. :o
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I think desouza is nationalist.
Not sure Mccloskey should count as nationalist...
What is she standing for? What issues? Does anyone know?
Distressed sheep according to her pinned tweet. :o
She seems very self important
Quote from: Feckitt on April 16, 2022, 09:45:35 PM
I haven't counted Gavin Malone because he isn't standing as a Nationalist candidate. He standing on a 'Man of the people's 'Save the Hospital ' 'Build the Park ticket. I've never heard him mention constitutional or identity issues.
McCloskey on the other hand was until very receive deputy leader of Aontú
He'd definitely be a nationalist, he'll get a lot of the hardline republican vote around Newry. Seems a decent fella too in fairness
Quote from: Eire90 on April 17, 2022, 09:27:09 AM
will eastwood be gone if sdlp do bad.
Should have been gone long ago.. Clean useless, used the mother and baby homes enquiry findings down south as reason to attack Sinn Fein over stuff in the North, classless person.
Sooner Claire Hannah gets made leader the better, be a party worth voting for again
Fully agree with this. Hanna Mallon and O'Toole are very good. Eastwood useless. SF this and SF that - they will go nowhere with him.
Hard to know if independents will make any impact apart from Sugden and Easton?
Any others?
But could take votes away from the maon parties to make a difference in them not getting the fifth seat.
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Hard to know if independents will make any impact apart from Sugden and Easton?
Any others?
But could take votes away from the maon parties to make a difference in them not getting the fifth seat.
A lot of momentum behind the Easton campaign in North Down, But would he return to the DUP if they ended on equal seats with SF?
Backhouse in FST seems to have mainly Nationalist subscribers on the EONI website. https://www.eoni.org.uk/getmedia/ff10dbab-957d-458c-b8cf-f836a1b270ac/Statement-of-Person-Nominated-Fermanagh-and-South-Tyrone
However from his Twitter feed @backhouse_derek he is an anti-mask pro-Trump South African preacher who thinks the war in Ukraine is faked as Zelensky once appeared on a show on Netflix and who doesn't understand percentages. He is shocked that more people who are vaccinated have died than unvaccinated despite there being more people vaccinated.
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I think desouza is nationalist.
Not sure Mccloskey should count as nationalist...
What is she standing for? What issues? Does anyone know?
Distressed sheep according to her pinned tweet. :o
She seems very self important
I just looked at her website. She seems to be very pro good things and anti bad things in a nice woolly cost free way.
Any Tyrone people on here know who Paul Gags Gallagher is standing in West Tyrone?. Is he a disident republican candidate or what is the craic with him?
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Any Tyrone people on here know who Paul Gags Gallagher is standing in West Tyrone?. Is he a disident republican candidate or what is the craic with him?
He comes from a prominent family in Strabane that includes both senior IRSP member Willie Gallagher as well as the Strabanimal. He was an IRSP candidate before but started running independently a few years ago. Seems to get things done for people in the area and is well respected.
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Any Tyrone people on here know who Paul Gags Gallagher is standing in West Tyrone?. Is he a disident republican candidate or what is the craic with him?
He comes from a prominent family in Strabane that includes both senior IRSP member Willie Gallagher as well as the Strabanimal. He was an IRSP candidate before but started running independently a few years ago. Seems to get things done for people in the area and is well respected.
Think he's trying to save Greencastle from the gold mine as part of his campaign.
The TUV and DUP fail in their request to get postal ballots reopened for the Assembly Elections due to Rangers fans travelling to a game in Europe, I kid you not....
;D
When I heard this first, I thought it was a wind up.
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When I heard this first, I thought it was a wind up.
Their entire role in this life, when not busy trying to stomp on catholic heads, is to wind things up.
And people will always vote for this.
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Quote from: Feckitt on April 19, 2022, 07:28:28 PM
Any Tyrone people on here know who Paul Gags Gallagher is standing in West Tyrone?. Is he a disident republican candidate or what is the craic with him?
He comes from a prominent family in Strabane that includes both senior IRSP member Willie Gallagher as well as the Strabanimal. He was an IRSP candidate before but started running independently a few years ago. Seems to get things done for people in the area and is well respected.
He is a councilor in Strabane and Derry and has shook things up a bit. He's definitely getting a lot of support on the ground. Sinn Fein reckon he'll do them no harm. I think he'll take some first pref votes but the transfers will go to SF.
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Quote from: Feckitt on April 19, 2022, 07:28:28 PM
Any Tyrone people on here know who Paul Gags Gallagher is standing in West Tyrone?. Is he a disident republican candidate or what is the craic with him?
He comes from a prominent family in Strabane that includes both senior IRSP member Willie Gallagher as well as the Strabanimal. He was an IRSP candidate before but started running independently a few years ago. Seems to get things done for people in the area and is well respected.
Who or what is the Strabanimal?
Saw a group of cultural attachés out collecting pallets for the bonfire today. Is it a bit early for that or are some post election events already in the planning?
I thought it was never too early...
Though there may be some MON effigies if SF get top party...
so does it look like johnson is going to install a hardborder in ireland to bring in chaos to distract people
Another scandal, this time with DAERA vets and once again no accountability. I've said it many times, Stormont are a bunch of amateurs.
But what do you expect, out of the no of people called at my door, am more qualified than them work wise by a country Mile, so if we gona vote then in, can we expect no less than. A place run like a mess. How no one addressed the f**k up set up of the doctors current call at 8:30 for a appointment is a joke. Been trying to get a appointment from middle of last week, always booked out and u can't book for a date later in the week. My pet cat gets better f**king care at the vets. And the dentists are seeing people so Doctors have no Excuse.
The gp situation is much worse in Scotland than it is here. I don't think the gp thing is specific to here.
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Another scandal, this time with DAERA vets and once again no accountability. I've said it many times, Stormont are a bunch of amateurs.
whats this one?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 22, 2022, 02:18:36 AM
But what do you expect, out of the no of people called at my door, am more qualified than them work wise by a country Mile, so if we gona vote then in, can we expect no less than. A place run like a mess. How no one addressed the f**k up set up of the doctors current call at 8:30 for a appointment is a joke. Been trying to get a appointment from middle of last week, always booked out and u can't book for a date later in the week. My pet cat gets better f**king care at the vets. And the dentists are seeing people so Doctors have no Excuse.
Why don't you run?
if he is running as independent but has very strong connections to the irsp does that means hes an irsp proxy did he drop the irsp from his campaign to get more votes from moderates maybe.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 22, 2022, 02:18:36 AM
But what do you expect, out of the no of people called at my door, am more qualified than them work wise by a country Mile, so if we gona vote then in, can we expect no less than. A place run like a mess. How no one addressed the f**k up set up of the doctors current call at 8:30 for a appointment is a joke. Been trying to get a appointment from middle of last week, always booked out and u can't book for a date later in the week. My pet cat gets better f**king care at the vets. And the dentists are seeing people so Doctors have no Excuse.
Just a thought but might resourcing not be an issue? A dentist can just refuse to take on a NHS patient and stick to their private customers. You wouldn't want GPS to go that route would you?
How about asking your candidates what they would do for healthcare provision across NI as opposed to just their own area. We could have a much better Heath system for the same money if was truly organised across NI and local squabbles were parked. Not to say we don't also need more money/resources.
A potential shock is on the cards in Newry and Armagh, Lots of people that I have spoken to are going to vote for Independent candidate Gavin Malone. A lot of people are writing him off saying that he won't get any votes outside of Newry. He doesn't actually need that many votes outside of Newry, he just needs more first preferences than Newry SF candidate Liz Kimmins. If he can stay above Kimmins, then he will almost certainly be elected, If she is eliminated her transfers will be from Newry people which should boost Malone above Alliance and the UUP for the final seat. If he doesn't stay above Kimmins then he's out.
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if he is running as independent but has very strong connections to the irsp does that means hes an irsp proxy did he drop the drop the irsp from his campaign to get more votes from moderates maybe.
Not sure IF he became a MLA but his work as a Councillor has been very broad and fixing the general items on the ground. People in Strabane (like me) have massive issues with D and S council and their treatment of Strabane as a whole.
He has gone in and asked awkward questions of council and not towed the line as he has no party loyalty.
For example Strabane pays the highest rates in the north, we've no public park, roads are rubbish and services in general are s***e.
https://www.finance-ni.gov.uk/articles/poundages-2021-2022
His manifesto is broadly similar to what he is doing at council.
Quote from: Feckitt on April 22, 2022, 09:31:47 AM
A potential shock is on the cards in Newry and Armagh, Lots of people that I have spoken to are going to vote for Independent candidate Gavin Malone. A lot of people are writing him off saying that he won't get any votes outside of Newry. He doesn't actually need that many votes outside of Newry, he just needs more first preferences than Newry SF candidate Liz Kimmins. If he can stay above Kimmins, then he will almost certainly be elected, If she is eliminated her transfers will be from Newry people which should boost Malone above Alliance and the UUP for the final seat. If he doesn't stay above Kimmins then he's out.
Yeah I said he could do damage round Newry, very popular in the town.
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Quote from: Feckitt on April 22, 2022, 09:31:47 AM
A potential shock is on the cards in Newry and Armagh, Lots of people that I have spoken to are going to vote for Independent candidate Gavin Malone. A lot of people are writing him off saying that he won't get any votes outside of Newry. He doesn't actually need that many votes outside of Newry, he just needs more first preferences than Newry SF candidate Liz Kimmins. If he can stay above Kimmins, then he will almost certainly be elected, If she is eliminated her transfers will be from Newry people which should boost Malone above Alliance and the UUP for the final seat. If he doesn't stay above Kimmins then he's out.
Yeah I said he could do damage round Newry, very popular in the town.
There is a very real danger of Malone splitting the vote and handing a second seat to unionists. How popular would he be if this happens?
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Quote from: Feckitt on April 22, 2022, 09:31:47 AM
A potential shock is on the cards in Newry and Armagh, Lots of people that I have spoken to are going to vote for Independent candidate Gavin Malone. A lot of people are writing him off saying that he won't get any votes outside of Newry. He doesn't actually need that many votes outside of Newry, he just needs more first preferences than Newry SF candidate Liz Kimmins. If he can stay above Kimmins, then he will almost certainly be elected, If she is eliminated her transfers will be from Newry people which should boost Malone above Alliance and the UUP for the final seat. If he doesn't stay above Kimmins then he's out.
Yeah I said he could do damage round Newry, very popular in the town.
There is a very real danger of Malone splitting the vote and handing a second seat to unionists. How popular would he be if this happens?
Can't see it. It'll be Irwin, Boylann, Murphy, McNulty then either Kimmins or Malone.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 22, 2022, 08:33:04 AM
Quote from: Sportacus on April 21, 2022, 11:06:17 PM
Another scandal, this time with DAERA vets and once again no accountability. I've said it many times, Stormont are a bunch of amateurs.
whats this one?
Whistleblower vet called out the system for not recording animal movements, but she was ignored and harassed. Tribunal found in her favour but her boss was nevertheless promoted to deputy chief vet, and the chief vet was found to have given evidence which was not candid. Just like RHI, civil servants getting promoted no matter how incompetent. Sam McBride asking all the right questions again.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 22, 2022, 02:18:36 AM
But what do you expect, out of the no of people called at my door, am more qualified than them work wise by a country Mile, so if we gona vote then in, can we expect no less than. A place run like a mess. How no one addressed the f**k up set up of the doctors current call at 8:30 for a appointment is a joke. Been trying to get a appointment from middle of last week, always booked out and u can't book for a date later in the week. My pet cat gets better f**king care at the vets. And the dentists are seeing people so Doctors have no Excuse.
Just a thought but might resourcing not be an issue? A dentist can just refuse to take on a NHS patient and stick to their private customers. You wouldn't want GPS to go that route would you?
How about asking your candidates what they would do for healthcare provision across NI as opposed to just their own area. We could have a much better Heath system for the same money if was truly organised across NI and local squabbles were parked. Not to say we don't also need more money/resources.
yes, you should pay for healthcare if you can afford it ::)
unless you value money over your health that is
neverneverland will just vote the same puppets regardless
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 22, 2022, 02:18:36 AM
But what do you expect, out of the no of people called at my door, am more qualified than them work wise by a country Mile, so if we gona vote then in, can we expect no less than. A place run like a mess. How no one addressed the f**k up set up of the doctors current call at 8:30 for a appointment is a joke. Been trying to get a appointment from middle of last week, always booked out and u can't book for a date later in the week. My pet cat gets better f**king care at the vets. And the dentists are seeing people so Doctors have no Excuse.
Doctors are seeing people too. What makes you think that they aren't?
Cause I haven't been fit to get a appointment in 2 weeks and still to get one, it's a total shit show. Ring every morning, booked out. They no excuse for keeping with the current set up.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 24, 2022, 01:49:30 AM
Cause I haven't been fit to get a appointment in 2 weeks and still to get one, it's a total shit show. Ring every morning, booked out. They no excuse for keeping with the current set up.
Do you ever think it's booked out with people who are seeing the doctor?
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 24, 2022, 01:49:30 AM
Cause I haven't been fit to get a appointment in 2 weeks and still to get one, it's a total shit show. Ring every morning, booked out. They no excuse for keeping with the current set up.
Do you ever think it's booked out with people who are seeing the doctor?
Still nowhere near good enough is it? Which is the whole point.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 24, 2022, 01:49:30 AM
Cause I haven't been fit to get a appointment in 2 weeks and still to get one, it's a total shit show. Ring every morning, booked out. They no excuse for keeping with the current set up.
Do you ever think it's booked out with people who are seeing the doctor?
Still nowhere near good enough is it? Which is the whole point.
What's the answer? Doctors are dealing with more people now in a day than before covid. A typical day is 15 in the morning and 15 in the afternoon, plus maybe 4 or 5 face to face late on. Before covid it was 12 and 12, than that was it.
Excessive waiting lists in hospitals has put an unprecedented amount of demand on primary care and they are doing the best they physically can, regardless of what Stephen Nolan says.
Dentists have been getting it handy throughout the pandemic, don't think my place is even taking regular check-ups now.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 24, 2022, 01:49:30 AM
Cause I haven't been fit to get a appointment in 2 weeks and still to get one, it's a total shit show. Ring every morning, booked out. They no excuse for keeping with the current set up.
Do you ever think it's booked out with people who are seeing the doctor?
Still nowhere near good enough is it? Which is the whole point.
What's the answer? Doctors are dealing with more people now in a day than before covid. A typical day is 15 in the morning and 15 in the afternoon, plus maybe 4 or 5 face to face late on. Before covid it was 12 and 12, than that was it.
Excessive waiting lists in hospitals has put an unprecedented amount of demand on primary care and they are doing the best they physically can, regardless of what Stephen Nolan says.
My issue is priorities. Surely a better system rather than this if your a lucky caller you get an appointment. If not you try again in the morning. There should be a system where all problems are recorded and dealt with on a priority basis.
You could be calling for weeks and not get an appointment. Then someone else could call and get in on first call. That system is broke.
On an aside the swimming lessons for kids are done the same way and it's a joke of a system. Record people's interest. If they don't get in this time, then they get priority next time. Rather than the current system of continuously having to start from scratch and it's a case of being lucky. 😡
Previous we had 2 full time doctors, 1 part time, you could book a appointment within 3/4 days, and they saw you. Now they got 8 Doctors more than half 2/3 days a week. Only maybe 3 full time. Previous you could book a appointment within a few days, now you can't do this, that's not right.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 24, 2022, 03:49:08 PM
Previous we had 2 full time doctors, 1 part time, you could book a appointment within 3/4 days, and they saw you. Now they got 8 Doctors more than half 2/3 days a week. Only maybe 3 full time. Previous you could book a appointment within a few days, now you can't do this, that's not right.
Why do you think that is the case? How would you fix it?
Back to the way it was. They way its currently set up, pushes more people to go to A&E to be seen for minor stuff putting more pressure on the Hospitals
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 24, 2022, 04:40:45 PM
Back to the way it was. They way its currently set up, pushes more people to go to A&E to be seen for minor stuff putting more pressure on the Hospitals
So waiting 6 weeks for an appointment? That's before the huge increase in demand.
Doctors will deal with less people in a day if they go back to the old way.
If you are lucky enough to have a good medical insurance plan through your employer or perhaps can afford your own, you won't have any problem getting to see many of the same G.P.s who appear to be off limits to the ordinary Joe. The NHS in its current form is holed below the waterline and can no longer meet our needs in fact it has presided over a very concerning decline in population health in the last 50 years.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 24, 2022, 01:49:30 AM
Cause I haven't been fit to get a appointment in 2 weeks and still to get one, it's a total shit show. Ring every morning, booked out. They no excuse for keeping with the current set up.
Do you ever think it's booked out with people who are seeing the doctor?
Still nowhere near good enough is it? Which is the whole point.
What's the answer? Doctors are dealing with more people now in a day than before covid. A typical day is 15 in the morning and 15 in the afternoon, plus maybe 4 or 5 face to face late on. Before covid it was 12 and 12, than that was it.
Excessive waiting lists in hospitals has put an unprecedented amount of demand on primary care and they are doing the best they physically can, regardless of what Stephen Nolan says.
More gps, more staff in hospitals? (Long term, simplistic solution I know, but I'm not claiming to be the expert lol) Honestly wouldnt mind a £20 fee to stop people going to sit in a&e with feck all wrong with them.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 24, 2022, 01:49:30 AM
Cause I haven't been fit to get a appointment in 2 weeks and still to get one, it's a total shit show. Ring every morning, booked out. They no excuse for keeping with the current set up.
Do you ever think it's booked out with people who are seeing the doctor?
Still nowhere near good enough is it? Which is the whole point.
What's the answer? Doctors are dealing with more people now in a day than before covid. A typical day is 15 in the morning and 15 in the afternoon, plus maybe 4 or 5 face to face late on. Before covid it was 12 and 12, than that was it.
Excessive waiting lists in hospitals has put an unprecedented amount of demand on primary care and they are doing the best they physically can, regardless of what Stephen Nolan says.
More gps, more staff in hospitals? (Long term, simplistic solution I know, but I'm not claiming to be the expert lol) Honestly wouldnt mind a £20 fee to stop people going to sit in a&e with feck all wrong with them.
Plus prescriptions should be means tested. They should not be free.
Disgraceful what this lady has had to go through combined with a massive payout courtesy of the taxpayer which could all have been avoided.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-61212237
Money spunked up the wall and once again no one will be held to account.
We need one health trust with regional care centres. If you have Cancer you go to the Cancer specialists hospital say Craigavon, For Ortho it is Altnagelvin say, For Neuro, the Royal etc. Having all services in every hospital is crazy. This means closing departments in certain hospitals. Families need to take on more responsibility and get patients discharged. If they can't go to a family then into a home and the family invoiced. Bed blocking in the health service is a problem.
More nurses need trained. we need to get more nurses into full time contracts and cut out the expensive agency workers. In the short term this means recruiting from abroad.
Some simple solutions but the CS is fighting this at every point. They need P45'd
Quote from: trailer on April 25, 2022, 11:14:04 AM
We need one health trust with regional care centres. If you have Cancer you go to the Cancer specialists hospital say Craigavon, For Ortho it is Altnagelvin say, For Neuro, the Royal etc. Having all services in every hospital is crazy. This means closing departments in certain hospitals. Families need to take on more responsibility and get patients discharged. If they can't go to a family then into a home and the family invoiced. Bed blocking in the health service is a problem.
More nurses need trained. we need to get more nurses into full time contracts and cut out the expensive agency workers. In the short term this means recruiting from abroad.
Some simple solutions but the CS is fighting this at every point. They need P45'd
All services aren't available in every hospitable. Good luck getting a neuro consultation or complicated ortho surgery in SWAH.
Quote from: trailer on April 25, 2022, 11:14:04 AM
We need one health trust with regional care centres. If you have Cancer you go to the Cancer specialists hospital say Craigavon, For Ortho it is Altnagelvin say, For Neuro, the Royal etc. Having all services in every hospital is crazy. This means closing departments in certain hospitals. Families need to take on more responsibility and get patients discharged. If they can't go to a family then into a home and the family invoiced. Bed blocking in the health service is a problem.
More nurses need trained. we need to get more nurses into full time contracts and cut out the expensive agency workers. In the short term this means recruiting from abroad.
Some simple solutions but the CS is fighting this at every point. They need P45'd
Also centralising cancer services given how common and debilitating it is across the population would be a f**king disaster. Sending the elderly and infirm from Fermanagh and West Tyrone the length of the province to receive basic healthcare is a cruel suggestion.
Are they waiting to the friday after to start counting or will they start as soon as its over.
Quote from: trileacman on April 25, 2022, 06:30:34 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 25, 2022, 11:14:04 AM
We need one health trust with regional care centres. If you have Cancer you go to the Cancer specialists hospital say Craigavon, For Ortho it is Altnagelvin say, For Neuro, the Royal etc. Having all services in every hospital is crazy. This means closing departments in certain hospitals. Families need to take on more responsibility and get patients discharged. If they can't go to a family then into a home and the family invoiced. Bed blocking in the health service is a problem.
More nurses need trained. we need to get more nurses into full time contracts and cut out the expensive agency workers. In the short term this means recruiting from abroad.
Some simple solutions but the CS is fighting this at every point. They need P45'd
All services aren't available in every hospitable. Good luck getting a neuro consultation or complicated ortho surgery in SWAH.
No but they're available in every Trust which is unnecessary and his point stands.
Quote from: trileacman on April 25, 2022, 06:33:55 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 25, 2022, 11:14:04 AM
We need one health trust with regional care centres. If you have Cancer you go to the Cancer specialists hospital say Craigavon, For Ortho it is Altnagelvin say, For Neuro, the Royal etc. Having all services in every hospital is crazy. This means closing departments in certain hospitals. Families need to take on more responsibility and get patients discharged. If they can't go to a family then into a home and the family invoiced. Bed blocking in the health service is a problem.
More nurses need trained. we need to get more nurses into full time contracts and cut out the expensive agency workers. In the short term this means recruiting from abroad.
Some simple solutions but the CS is fighting this at every point. They need P45'd
Also centralising cancer services given how common and debilitating it is across the population would be a f**king disaster. Sending the elderly and infirm from Fermanagh and West Tyrone the length of the province to receive basic healthcare is a cruel suggestion.
It is not cruel. It will increase the chances of survival by cutting waiting times which will improve outcomes. I understand that it would be better to have all the treatments provided next door to where you live but that just isn't viable.
To clarify I meant having each service provided by every trust. 1 trust. Then specialists centres all across NI not centralised in Belfast. Sick ppl in Belfast might have to travel to Derry for specialist care and that is something we're all going to have to sign up to.
Is there less DUP posters about your areas than normal?
I didn't see any around my nearest, quaint little village which isn't as loyal as it was 10 years ago, but they'd normally have them up around the local PS which acts as a polling station but nada and I think I saw two for Weir in the staunch little village of Greyabbey and it would normally be festooned with them...
Wondering if the financial wheels are coming off the DUP!
Quote from: Eire90 on April 25, 2022, 09:38:56 PM
Are they waiting to the friday after to start counting or will they start as soon as its over.
May as well wait till the Friday given the PR-STV system.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 26, 2022, 09:00:25 AM
Is there less DUP posters about your areas than normal?
I didn't see any around my nearest, quaint little village which isn't as loyal as it was 10 years ago, but they'd normally have them up around the local PS which acts as a polling station but nada and I think I saw two for Weir in the staunch little village of Greyabbey and it would normally be festooned with them...
Wondering if the financial wheels are coming off the DUP!
Definitely. For me it looks like there are plenty in the areas they're strong in. e.g. if you start driving through Comber or Ards there are plenty but south belfast there aren't that many and they are only in specific parts of south belfast - e.g. milltown / shaws bridge area and a bit on the embankment. It looks like they are just reminding people in the areas that vote for them.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 26, 2022, 09:01:20 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on April 25, 2022, 09:38:56 PM
Are they waiting to the friday after to start counting or will they start as soon as its over.
May as well wait till the Friday given the PR-STV system.
Probably start the next morning I'd say. Gather them all to the count centres overnight.
Regarding posters - they must be costly to make? Maybe they can be used again if same people standing etc. but still it all adds up.
Do people get paid for putting them up or just party helpers?
Funny thing is when half of them goes up, the wind blows them around and the info. can't be seen, which is ironic, as they're up for PR. You'd think they'd at least put them up right and not blow around.
Quote from: trailer on April 26, 2022, 08:48:40 AM
Quote from: trileacman on April 25, 2022, 06:33:55 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 25, 2022, 11:14:04 AM
We need one health trust with regional care centres. If you have Cancer you go to the Cancer specialists hospital say Craigavon, For Ortho it is Altnagelvin say, For Neuro, the Royal etc. Having all services in every hospital is crazy. This means closing departments in certain hospitals. Families need to take on more responsibility and get patients discharged. If they can't go to a family then into a home and the family invoiced. Bed blocking in the health service is a problem.
More nurses need trained. we need to get more nurses into full time contracts and cut out the expensive agency workers. In the short term this means recruiting from abroad.
Some simple solutions but the CS is fighting this at every point. They need P45'd
Also centralising cancer services given how common and debilitating it is across the population would be a f**king disaster. Sending the elderly and infirm from Fermanagh and West Tyrone the length of the province to receive basic healthcare is a cruel suggestion.
It is not cruel. It will increase the chances of survival by cutting waiting times which will improve outcomes. I understand that it would be better to have all the treatments provided next door to where you live but that just isn't viable.
To clarify I meant having each service provided by every trust. 1 trust. Then specialists centres all across NI not centralised in Belfast. Sick ppl in Belfast might have to travel to Derry for specialist care and that is something we're all going to have to sign up to.
Don't know if that is realistic for everyone!
Quote from: Eire90 on April 25, 2022, 09:38:56 PM
Are they waiting to the friday after to start counting or will they start as soon as its over.
Correct. Verficiation of unused votes will happen on Thursday night, but the first counting of valid votes cast won't happen until Friday morning
Re DUP posters-in Lisburn I notice they have reused posters from previous years. Jeffrey Donaldson look about 15 years younger with a curtains haircut ;D
Quote from: marty34 on April 26, 2022, 09:29:04 AM
Regarding posters - they must be costly to make? Maybe they can be used again if same people standing etc. but still it all adds up.
Do people get paid for putting them up or just party helpers?
Funny thing is when half of them goes up, the wind blows them around and the info. can't be seen, which is ironic, as they're up for PR. You'd think they'd at least put them up right and not blow around.
Unionists seem to be very big into their posters, (which is understandable given their penchant for climbing lampposts and attaching things to them) so I'd say plenty of volunteers willing to help out. I drove from Portadown to Lurgan and the closer you got to Craigavon the more Unionists posters I saw. Even saw the TUV weasel's wee face at the m1 roundabout at Lurgan. It's funny how they are able to erect their posters in what are inherently "nationalist" areas (which to be fair they should be) but SF, SDLP and alliance are getting dogs abuse, assaulted and having their material attacked and destroyed.
Just catching up on Colum Eastwood's interview on yesterdays Talkback. General gist of the one interaction where Colum brought up the subject of their recent most election performance, then regretted doing so and accused to host of being the one who brought up the subject:
Colum: If you look at the last election, people voted for us in huge numbers
William: When was that?
Colum: It was...it was 2019 in the General Election.
William: In the local election in 2019 the SDLP got the lowest number of votes in the party's history and you lost seats?
Colum: Well we....we..eh...we did well. Then in the general election we got a huge result
William: But in the generla election, other partties stood aside to help you in a number of constituencies. Would you not accept that you got a bit of help? Then you had the EU elections, and you finished in fourth, you're not doing well as a party are you?
Colum: Do you want to talk about previous elections or do you want to talk about the one we're about to have?
::)
Quote from: Snapchap on April 26, 2022, 10:24:41 AM
Just catching up on Colum Eastwood's interview on yesterdays Talkback. General gist of the one interaction where Colum brought up the subject of their recent most election performance, then regretted doing so and accused to host of being the one who brought up the subject:
Colum: If you look at the last election, people voted for us in huge numbers
William: When was that?
Colum: It was...it was 2019 in the General Election.
William: In the local election in 2019 the SDLP got the lowest number of votes in the party's history and you lost seats?
Colum: Well we....we..eh...we did well. Then in the general election we got a huge result
William: But in the generla election, other partties stood aside to help you in a number of constituencies. Would you not accept that you got a bit of help? Then you had the EU elections, and you finished in fourth, you're not doing well as a party are you?
Colum: Do you want to talk about previous elections or do you want to talk about the one we're about to have?
::)
Isn't that the election SF had the whatsapp group going around asking people to vote Alliance to keep SDLP out.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 26, 2022, 10:48:22 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on April 26, 2022, 10:24:41 AM
Just catching up on Colum Eastwood's interview on yesterdays Talkback. General gist of the one interaction where Colum brought up the subject of their recent most election performance, then regretted doing so and accused to host of being the one who brought up the subject:
Colum: If you look at the last election, people voted for us in huge numbers
William: When was that?
Colum: It was...it was 2019 in the General Election.
William: In the local election in 2019 the SDLP got the lowest number of votes in the party's history and you lost seats?
Colum: Well we....we..eh...we did well. Then in the general election we got a huge result
William: But in the general election, other partties stood aside to help you in a number of constituencies. Would you not accept that you got a bit of help? Then you had the EU elections, and you finished in fourth, you're not doing well as a party are you?
Colum: Do you want to talk about previous elections or do you want to talk about the one we're about to have?
::)
Isn't that the election SF had the whatsapp group going around asking people to vote Alliance to keep SDLP out.
I have no idea. Hard to comment, or indeed verify, unsubstantiated claims like that. I do know it's the election Colum was referring to when he just tried to pretend that others standing aside to aid them in certain constituencies had absolutely nothing to do with their increase in votes. I also know that in yesterday's interview, Colum refused to encourage SDLP voters to transfer to SF, but had no problem telling how he personally transferred to the UUP last time.
Quote from: Snapchap on April 26, 2022, 11:05:09 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 26, 2022, 10:48:22 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on April 26, 2022, 10:24:41 AM
Just catching up on Colum Eastwood's interview on yesterdays Talkback. General gist of the one interaction where Colum brought up the subject of their recent most election performance, then regretted doing so and accused to host of being the one who brought up the subject:
Colum: If you look at the last election, people voted for us in huge numbers
William: When was that?
Colum: It was...it was 2019 in the General Election.
William: In the local election in 2019 the SDLP got the lowest number of votes in the party's history and you lost seats?
Colum: Well we....we..eh...we did well. Then in the general election we got a huge result
William: But in the general election, other partties stood aside to help you in a number of constituencies. Would you not accept that you got a bit of help? Then you had the EU elections, and you finished in fourth, you're not doing well as a party are you?
Colum: Do you want to talk about previous elections or do you want to talk about the one we're about to have?
::)
Isn't that the election SF had the whatsapp group going around asking people to vote Alliance to keep SDLP out.
I have no idea. Hard to comment, or indeed verify, unsubstantiated claims like that. I do know it's the election Colum was referring to when he just tried to pretend that others standing aside to aid them in certain constituencies had absolutely nothing to do with their increase in votes. I also know that in yesterday's interview, Colum refused to encourage SDLP voters to transfer to SF, but had no problem telling how he personally transferred to the UUP last time.
Yeah whats good for the goose......
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 26, 2022, 11:10:35 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on April 26, 2022, 11:05:09 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 26, 2022, 10:48:22 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on April 26, 2022, 10:24:41 AM
Just catching up on Colum Eastwood's interview on yesterdays Talkback. General gist of the one interaction where Colum brought up the subject of their recent most election performance, then regretted doing so and accused to host of being the one who brought up the subject:
Colum: If you look at the last election, people voted for us in huge numbers
William: When was that?
Colum: It was...it was 2019 in the General Election.
William: In the local election in 2019 the SDLP got the lowest number of votes in the party's history and you lost seats?
Colum: Well we....we..eh...we did well. Then in the general election we got a huge result
William: But in the general election, other partties stood aside to help you in a number of constituencies. Would you not accept that you got a bit of help? Then you had the EU elections, and you finished in fourth, you're not doing well as a party are you?
Colum: Do you want to talk about previous elections or do you want to talk about the one we're about to have?
::)
Isn't that the election SF had the whatsapp group going around asking people to vote Alliance to keep SDLP out.
I have no idea. Hard to comment, or indeed verify, unsubstantiated claims like that. I do know it's the election Colum was referring to when he just tried to pretend that others standing aside to aid them in certain constituencies had absolutely nothing to do with their increase in votes. I also know that in yesterday's interview, Colum refused to encourage SDLP voters to transfer to SF, but had no problem telling how he personally transferred to the UUP last time.
Yeah whats good for the goose......
lol so you're backtracking on the relevance of your whatsapp tale. Well that didn't take long!!
Quote from: Snapchap on April 26, 2022, 11:31:46 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 26, 2022, 11:10:35 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on April 26, 2022, 11:05:09 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 26, 2022, 10:48:22 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on April 26, 2022, 10:24:41 AM
Just catching up on Colum Eastwood's interview on yesterdays Talkback. General gist of the one interaction where Colum brought up the subject of their recent most election performance, then regretted doing so and accused to host of being the one who brought up the subject:
Colum: If you look at the last election, people voted for us in huge numbers
William: When was that?
Colum: It was...it was 2019 in the General Election.
William: In the local election in 2019 the SDLP got the lowest number of votes in the party's history and you lost seats?
Colum: Well we....we..eh...we did well. Then in the general election we got a huge result
William: But in the general election, other partties stood aside to help you in a number of constituencies. Would you not accept that you got a bit of help? Then you had the EU elections, and you finished in fourth, you're not doing well as a party are you?
Colum: Do you want to talk about previous elections or do you want to talk about the one we're about to have?
::)
Isn't that the election SF had the whatsapp group going around asking people to vote Alliance to keep SDLP out.
I have no idea. Hard to comment, or indeed verify, unsubstantiated claims like that. I do know it's the election Colum was referring to when he just tried to pretend that others standing aside to aid them in certain constituencies had absolutely nothing to do with their increase in votes. I also know that in yesterday's interview, Colum refused to encourage SDLP voters to transfer to SF, but had no problem telling how he personally transferred to the UUP last time.
Yeah whats good for the goose......
lol so you're backtracking on the relevance of your whatsapp tale. Well that didn't take long!!
Not at all, I am saying Shinners were at this shit last election-FACT!!!! It was embarrassing tbh. Take your oil
Quote from: Snapchap on April 26, 2022, 10:24:41 AM
Just catching up on Colum Eastwood's interview on yesterdays Talkback. General gist of the one interaction where Colum brought up the subject of their recent most election performance, then regretted doing so and accused to host of being the one who brought up the subject:
Colum: If you look at the last election, people voted for us in huge numbers
William: When was that?
Colum: It was...it was 2019 in the General Election.
William: In the local election in 2019 the SDLP got the lowest number of votes in the party's history and you lost seats?
Colum: Well we....we..eh...we did well. Then in the general election we got a huge result
William: But in the generla election, other partties stood aside to help you in a number of constituencies. Would you not accept that you got a bit of help? Then you had the EU elections, and you finished in fourth, you're not doing well as a party are you?
Colum: Do you want to talk about previous elections or do you want to talk about the one we're about to have?
::)
Rent free
Quote from: trailer on April 26, 2022, 11:49:41 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on April 26, 2022, 10:24:41 AM
Just catching up on Colum Eastwood's interview on yesterdays Talkback. General gist of the one interaction where Colum brought up the subject of their recent most election performance, then regretted doing so and accused to host of being the one who brought up the subject:
Colum: If you look at the last election, people voted for us in huge numbers
William: When was that?
Colum: It was...it was 2019 in the General Election.
William: In the local election in 2019 the SDLP got the lowest number of votes in the party's history and you lost seats?
Colum: Well we....we..eh...we did well. Then in the general election we got a huge result
William: But in the generla election, other partties stood aside to help you in a number of constituencies. Would you not accept that you got a bit of help? Then you had the EU elections, and you finished in fourth, you're not doing well as a party are you?
Colum: Do you want to talk about previous elections or do you want to talk about the one we're about to have?
::)
Rent free
It was literally on the radio ::)
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 26, 2022, 11:48:58 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on April 26, 2022, 11:31:46 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 26, 2022, 11:10:35 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on April 26, 2022, 11:05:09 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 26, 2022, 10:48:22 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on April 26, 2022, 10:24:41 AM
Just catching up on Colum Eastwood's interview on yesterdays Talkback. General gist of the one interaction where Colum brought up the subject of their recent most election performance, then regretted doing so and accused to host of being the one who brought up the subject:
Colum: If you look at the last election, people voted for us in huge numbers
William: When was that?
Colum: It was...it was 2019 in the General Election.
William: In the local election in 2019 the SDLP got the lowest number of votes in the party's history and you lost seats?
Colum: Well we....we..eh...we did well. Then in the general election we got a huge result
William: But in the general election, other partties stood aside to help you in a number of constituencies. Would you not accept that you got a bit of help? Then you had the EU elections, and you finished in fourth, you're not doing well as a party are you?
Colum: Do you want to talk about previous elections or do you want to talk about the one we're about to have?
::)
Isn't that the election SF had the whatsapp group going around asking people to vote Alliance to keep SDLP out.
I have no idea. Hard to comment, or indeed verify, unsubstantiated claims like that. I do know it's the election Colum was referring to when he just tried to pretend that others standing aside to aid them in certain constituencies had absolutely nothing to do with their increase in votes. I also know that in yesterday's interview, Colum refused to encourage SDLP voters to transfer to SF, but had no problem telling how he personally transferred to the UUP last time.
Yeah whats "
lol so you're backtracking on the relevance of your whatsapp tale. Well that didn't take long!!
Not at all, I am saying Shinners were at this shit last election-FACT!!!! It was embarrassing tbh. Take your oil
Well sure if you say so, it must be true. You're as impartial as they come. And sure if it's "good for the goose..." for Colum to not advise transferring to SF, then you are backtracking? If not, then what are you crying about?
I've been dipping in and out of this.. But jeez Fear you've an awful obsession with Sinn Fein lol.. Who hurt you?
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 26, 2022, 12:30:34 PM
I've been dipping in and out of this.. But jeez Fear you've an awful obsession with Sinn Fein lol.. Who hurt you?
Crooks, and I hate crooks, Im an ordinary man, nothing special nothing grand
Patrick Bown could poll well in South Down. But I still think it will be 2 sf, 2 sdlp and Harold McKee could get the Unionist vote..
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 01:51:24 PM
Patrick Bown could poll well in South Down. But I still think it will be 2 sf, 2 sdlp and Harold McKee could get the Unionist vote..
DUP shipping in the heavyweights to get behind yer one Forsythe after the lastest defections to the TUV down there, Arlene is wheeled out.
She must really despise Jim Wells.
That's one thing I agree with Arlene on then.
Be interesting to see the DUP after the election, if they have a rough enough time.
Still the old factions battling away behind the scenes. Once the election is over, it'll be interesting I think.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 26, 2022, 04:53:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 01:51:24 PM
Patrick Bown could poll well in South Down. But I still think it will be 2 sf, 2 sdlp and Harold McKee could get the Unionist vote..
DUP shipping in the heavyweights to get behind yer one Forsythe after the lastest defections to the TUV down there, Arlene is wheeled out.
She must really despise Jim Wells.
She had plenty of opportunities to cut him off at the knees when leader but didn't. She is full of shit.
That's one thing I agree with Arlene on then.
She had plenty of opportunities to cut him off at the knees when leader, but didn't. She's full of shit.
The DUP are going to lose their crown. I can't see the Brits tolerating a shutdown of Stormont because of a democratic result.
Quote from: seafoid on April 26, 2022, 08:31:28 PM
The DUP are going to lose their crown. I can't see the Brits tolerating a shutdown of Stormont because of a democratic result.
it's not a democratic vote, that's the whole point
the sick counties never has been and never will be a democracy
Quote from: seafoid on April 26, 2022, 08:31:28 PM
The DUP are going to lose their crown. I can't see the Brits tolerating a shutdown of Stormont because of a democratic result.
There is no guarantee on this at all. The hope would be they move down the pecking order to number three but that is highly unlikely. They could still retain number one - I don't think they will but it wouldn't be a shock if they did.
the tories can get away with ditching protocol what are sinn fein going to do and dissident republicans wont probably do anything either and if they did the tories will use them as an excuse to create a new bogey man to rile up right wingers.
Quote from: Eire90 on April 27, 2022, 02:08:57 AM
the tories can get away with ditching protocol what are sinn fein going to do and dissident republicans wont probably do anything either and if they did the tories will use them as an excuse to create a new bogey man to rile up right wingers.
Have you been fraped by Olly?
Quote from: Eire90 on April 27, 2022, 02:08:57 AM
the tories can get away with ditching protocol what are sinn fein going to do and dissident republicans wont probably do anything either and if they did the tories will use them as an excuse to create a new bogey man to rile up right wingers.
There's a sympathetic ear currently in Washington, the Brits would not only have to contend with a counter attack from the EU but a trade deal with the US kicked into the very long grass.
Boris is running out of road and is desperate to do anything to curry favour before the Tory's take a huge thumping in the local elections the same day as the Assembly elections here. That'll be enough to scare a lot of Tory MP's into handing in letters to their 1922 committee as they can't face going into a General Election with Boris at the helm.
I'm not even sure many in GB give a flying fudge for the NI Protocol, let alone here, all bluster IMO but he's a desperate man and nothing is beneath him.
Johnson is using it as a stick to beat the EU with. He couldn't care less - it is just a means to try and further "negotiations" if you could call them that. His games IMO have given the likes of that LCC a voice and who knows where that will end.
Jeffrey telling BBC The View that he didn't pull down the Executive. Right, ok then.
Quote from: Sportacus on April 28, 2022, 11:12:53 PM
Jeffrey telling BBC The View that he didn't pull down the Executive. Right, ok then.
And in the following breathe telling Carruthers that he showed decisive leadership by actually pulling down the Executive.
Neither of the two Unionist commentators after it felt he or the DUP were in a good position coming into the election and could lose votes to both the DUP and the UUP..
Either way Jeffrey will sulk off back to London with the more high brow clientele there.
DUP are floundering but I think they will gain votes next week as some Unionist voters take last minute cold feet at the prospect of SF winning, and they'll transfer well from the TUV, so it won't be a wipeout for them.
Quote from: Sportacus on April 29, 2022, 08:26:43 AM
DUP are floundering but I think they will gain votes next week as some Unionist voters take last minute cold feet at the prospect of SF winning, and they'll transfer well from the TUV, so it won't be a wipeout for them.
I agree. I think they'll get enough transfers for the TUV and the UUP to a certain extent to keep their 4th and 5 th seats in marginal areas.
Be interesting to see how they do in south Down, and Foyle and Strangford.
Ironically enough for alk the years the were saying vote DUP to keep a,SF fm out, this is actually the year where this could really be true.
Conversely not as much talk feom the nationalist side regarding a first nationalist fm - which is significant in itself and shows how much things have changed.
New lucid talk poll results out. SDLP vote just isn't improving. Doesn't look great for nationalism at around 36-40% hoping for a border poll. The most interesting stat is the second preference votes of Alliance voters which are overwhelming in favour of nationalist parties about 55% to 18% unionist. So as mentioned before the alliance surge certainly Isn't disillusioned Unionists but rather those from the nationalist background and would help explain why despite 20yrs of demographic change the nationalist vote has remained at around 40%.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on April 29, 2022, 09:33:12 AM
New lucid talk poll results out. SDLP vote just isn't improving. Doesn't look great for nationalism at around 36-40% hoping for a border poll. The most interesting stat is the second preference votes of Alliance voters which are overwhelming in favour of nationalist parties about 55% to 18% unionist. So as mentioned before the alliance surge certainly Isn't disillusioned Unionists but rather those from the nationalist background and would help explain why despite 20yrs of demographic change the nationalist vote has remained at around 40%.
Be interesting to see what way those Alliance voters who transfer nationalist would vote in a border poll. If you're getting most of them voting in favour you're flying. Out of interest, if 55% of Alliance transfer Nationalist and 18% transfer Unionist, where are the rest going?
The rest are going to greens etc or to no-one. The greens also transfer heavily in Favour of nationalist parties 40%- 18% unionist
Don't knows???
Does anyone know what percentage of actual votes only go to 1 Party with no preferences for anyone else??
Quote from: Rossfan on April 29, 2022, 10:06:52 AM
Don't knows???
Does anyone know what percentage of actual votes only go to 1 Party with no preferences for anyone else??
SF voters are the most likely to transfer to no-one at 17% which is crazy.
More stats here
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/northern-ireland-assembly-election-2022/sinn-fein-remain-on-course-to-land-first-minister-position-in-latest-lucidtalk-poll-41598340.html
These results also look more believable than the Liverpool university toilet paper poll which had at the breakdown people voting TUV 1 and SF 2 among other ludicrous findings.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on April 29, 2022, 10:33:50 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 29, 2022, 10:06:52 AM
Don't knows???
Does anyone know what percentage of actual votes only go to 1 Party with no preferences for anyone else??
SF voters are the most likely to transfer to no-one at 17% which is crazy.
More stats here
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/northern-ireland-assembly-election-2022/sinn-fein-remain-on-course-to-land-first-minister-position-in-latest-lucidtalk-poll-41598340.html
Daft, always say you should vote right down the ballot sheet as many as you can. Will probably give 4th preference to Malone, then either Alliance or McNulty.
Yeah my objective is usually to vote for who I want to and then make sure the TUV and DUP get nothing from me and everyone else is prioritised over them.
STV is the vote until you boke method
Unionists have always seemed to be a bit wiser to this than nationalists. Anyone plumping for one party is a tool
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2022, 09:43:37 AM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on April 29, 2022, 09:33:12 AM
New lucid talk poll results out. SDLP vote just isn't improving. Doesn't look great for nationalism at around 36-40% hoping for a border poll. The most interesting stat is the second preference votes of Alliance voters which are overwhelming in favour of nationalist parties about 55% to 18% unionist. So as mentioned before the alliance surge certainly Isn't disillusioned Unionists but rather those from the nationalist background and would help explain why despite 20yrs of demographic change the nationalist vote has remained at around 40%.
Be interesting to see what way those Alliance voters who transfer nationalist would vote in a border poll. If you're getting most of them voting in favour you're flying. Out of interest, if 55% of Alliance transfer Nationalist and 18% transfer Unionist, where are the rest going?
Probably Green, followed by independent, maybe pbp. Id guess a signifigant section of alliance vote is to get away from tribal voting and out of principal dont transfer to the main parties. Only a guess though.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRgIuMDXMAAAkSq?format=jpg&name=small)
That boy there is one of very few politicians who will really get his hands dirty. He was out in Ukraine and does a lot of work on the "ground".
They have a number of good candidates which makes it all the more bizarre that their vote is going nowhere.
It's their leader.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on April 29, 2022, 10:54:39 AM
Unionists have always seemed to be a bit wiser to this than nationalists. Anyone plumping for one party is a tool
Yeah a lot of people don't realise that you can vote all the way down I think.
Quote from: screenexile on April 29, 2022, 11:47:58 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRgIuMDXMAAAkSq?format=jpg&name=small)
As what, a breadman?
Ian Og has been very quiet this election so far.....is he on his holidays
What's the point in him putting any effort in. He'll get in regardless.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 29, 2022, 01:37:07 PM
What's the point in him putting any effort in. He'll get in regardless.
He's not standing.
Oh yeah he's MP -sorry ignore me.
will there be violence if dup lose enough seats
Reading on Twitter the Greens withdrawing support for their own candidate in mid Ulster?
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on April 29, 2022, 03:41:59 PM
Reading on Twitter the Greens withdrawing support for their own candidate in mid Ulster?
Not make much difference.
Quote from: Eire90 on April 29, 2022, 03:25:32 PM
will there be violence if dup lose enough seats
Yes i believe there will be
I don't think it's going to be an issue but I don't think there would be any more than is being stoked up at the minute.
Anybody got a prediction by constituency for this election? Or a link to anybody who does these?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 30, 2022, 10:31:04 AM
Anybody got a prediction by constituency for this election? Or a link to anybody who does these?
https://vote-2012.proboards.com/board/174/northern-ireland-assembly-2022
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on April 30, 2022, 11:50:20 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 30, 2022, 10:31:04 AM
Anybody got a prediction by constituency for this election? Or a link to anybody who does these?
https://vote-2012.proboards.com/board/174/northern-ireland-assembly-2022
Thanks, I'll have a look later on.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 30, 2022, 10:31:04 AM
Anybody got a prediction by constituency for this election? Or a link to anybody who does these?
There are a series of reports by constituency on slugger
Lucid Talk have published where their poll indicates transfers will go. Three quarters from TUV would go to DUP. No surprise, I thought it might be higher, but that will get 2 or 3 DUP candidates over the line.
What's really interesting is to see over 50% of Alliance transfers would go to SF and SDLP. Alliance seem to have attracted a lot of nationalist voters. A few years ago we would have dismissed them as posh Unionists.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on April 29, 2022, 10:53:15 AM
STV is the vote until you boke method
This
Your vote will transfer whether you indicate a preference or not.
From my understanding....
Imagine a 5 seat constituency where SF manage their vote almost perfectly. The threshold is 5000 votes and the 3 candidates all get elected on the first vote.
Candidate 1 has 5000 votes. No excess to transfer.
Candidate 2 has 5100 votes, 100 to transfer. All 5100 votes are reviewed for next preference but 5496 votes did not express a preference beyond those first 3. 4 voters did, 2 to SDLP and 2 to Alliance. In this case the 100 votes will be allocate 50 to SDLP and 50 to Alliance.
Candidate 3 has 6000 votes. 1000 to transfer. Again the majority did not vote beyond the first 3, 2 people had SDLP at 4 and similarly 2 went with Alliance. However there was 1 family of 4 gave a 4th preference to the local TUV man. A personal vote, he came to the Fathers wake and he milked the cows when the daughter go married.
Those 1000 votes would go 500 to TUV, 250 to SDLP and 250 to Alliance.
If you care what your votes does go down the list.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2022, 12:34:04 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on April 29, 2022, 10:54:39 AM
Unionists have always seemed to be a bit wiser to this than nationalists. Anyone plumping for one party is a tool
Yeah a lot of people don't realise that you can vote all the way down I think.
Big time. We were chatting about this the other week in the house, and only my da and one of my older brothers knew to do or that you could vote more than 3. The rest all intelligent people but hadn't a clue about it. Same amongst the mates.. Might also go somewhat to explaining that stat about sf voters being the least likely to transfer. Should political reps be explaining that better?
Quote from: LeoMc on April 30, 2022, 04:53:36 PM
From my understanding....
Imagine a 5 seat constituency where SF manage their vote almost perfectly. The threshold is 5000 votes and the 3 candidates all get elected on the first vote.
Candidate 1 has 5000 votes. No excess to transfer.
Candidate 2 has 5100 votes, 100 to transfer. All 5100 votes are reviewed for next preference but 5496 votes did not express a preference beyond those first 3. 4 voters did, 2 to SDLP and 2 to Alliance. In this case the 100 votes will be allocate 50 to SDLP and 50 to Alliance.
Candidate 3 has 6000 votes. 1000 to transfer. Again the majority did not vote beyond the first 3, 2 people had SDLP at 4 and similarly 2 went with Alliance. However there was 1 family of 4 gave a 4th preference to the local TUV man. A personal vote, he came to the Fathers wake and he milked the cows when the daughter go married.
Those 1000 votes would go 500 to TUV, 250 to SDLP and 250 to Alliance.
If you care what your votes does go down the list.
didnt know that at all. Thought if you didnt indicate a preference for a candidate your vote didnt go to them regardless
It is why you see those strange stats like eg 5% of TUV votes going to PBP or SF to DUP during reallocation
Quote from: HiMucker on April 30, 2022, 05:12:10 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2022, 12:34:04 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on April 29, 2022, 10:54:39 AM
Unionists have always seemed to be a bit wiser to this than nationalists. Anyone plumping for one party is a tool
Yeah a lot of people don't realise that you can vote all the way down I think.
Big time. We were chatting about this the other week in the house, and only my da and one of my older brothers knew to do or that you could vote more than 3. The rest all intelligent people but hadn't a clue about it. Same amongst the mates.. Might also go somewhat to explaining that stat about sf voters being the least likely to transfer. Should political reps be explaining that better?
SF don't want you to transfer. They don't want the scrutiny from another Nationalist party. Look through the posts here and all you see the SF mafia say is "all the SDLP do is attack us"
TIME FOR REAL CHANGE JUST NOT US WHO VE BEEN IN POWER FOR 15 YEARS!
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2022, 12:34:04 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on April 29, 2022, 10:54:39 AM
Unionists have always seemed to be a bit wiser to this than nationalists. Anyone plumping for one party is a tool
Yeah a lot of people don't realise that you can vote all the way down I think.
I always voted all the way down. In one of the European elections I took great pleasure in giving Ian Paisley my last preference.
Quote from: LeoMc on April 30, 2022, 04:53:36 PM
From my understanding....
Imagine a 5 seat constituency where SF manage their vote almost perfectly. The threshold is 5000 votes and the 3 candidates all get elected on the first vote.
Candidate 1 has 5000 votes. No excess to transfer.
Candidate 2 has 5100 votes, 100 to transfer. All 5100 votes are reviewed for next preference but 5496 votes did not express a preference beyond those first 3. 4 voters did, 2 to SDLP and 2 to Alliance. In this case the 100 votes will be allocate 50 to SDLP and 50 to Alliance.
Candidate 3 has 6000 votes. 1000 to transfer. Again the majority did not vote beyond the first 3, 2 people had SDLP at 4 and similarly 2 went with Alliance. However there was 1 family of 4 gave a 4th preference to the local TUV man. A personal vote, he came to the Fathers wake and he milked the cows when the daughter go married.
Those 1000 votes would go 500 to TUV, 250 to SDLP and 250 to Alliance.
If you care what your votes does go down the list.
No that is incorrect
If only 4 out of 5100 express a preference then each of those 4 will be worth (4/5100) x 100 and only a very small fraction of a vote will transfer.
Quote from: LeoMc on April 30, 2022, 04:53:36 PM
From my understanding....
Imagine a 5 seat constituency where SF manage their vote almost perfectly. The threshold is 5000 votes and the 3 candidates all get elected on the first vote.
Candidate 1 has 5000 votes. No excess to transfer.
Candidate 2 has 5100 votes, 100 to transfer. All 5100 votes are reviewed for next preference but 5496 votes did not express a preference beyond those first 3. 4 voters did, 2 to SDLP and 2 to Alliance. In this case the 100 votes will be allocate 50 to SDLP and 50 to Alliance.
Candidate 3 has 6000 votes. 1000 to transfer. Again the majority did not vote beyond the first 3, 2 people had SDLP at 4 and similarly 2 went with Alliance. However there was 1 family of 4 gave a 4th preference to the local TUV man. A personal vote, he came to the Fathers wake and he milked the cows when the daughter go married.
Those 1000 votes would go 500 to TUV, 250 to SDLP and 250 to Alliance.
If you care what your votes does go down the list.
This is totally incorrect. It is nowhere near as complicated as that.
But his point is valid, in that you should vote until you boke.
I take your point about the fractional values and I will put my hands up if I am wrong but it is something that was flagged up recently by Richard Bullick as an anomaly where non transferable votes were actually transferred.
https://twitter.com/richardbullick1/status/1513857016531492871?s=21
Quote from: trailer on April 30, 2022, 06:31:36 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on April 30, 2022, 05:12:10 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2022, 12:34:04 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on April 29, 2022, 10:54:39 AM
Unionists have always seemed to be a bit wiser to this than nationalists. Anyone plumping for one party is a tool
Yeah a lot of people don't realise that you can vote all the way down I think.
Big time. We were chatting about this the other week in the house, and only my da and one of my older brothers knew to do or that you could vote more than 3. The rest all intelligent people but hadn't a clue about it. Same amongst the mates.. Might also go somewhat to explaining that stat about sf voters being the least likely to transfer. Should political reps be explaining that better?
SF don't want you to transfer. They don't want the scrutiny from another Nationalist party. Look through the posts here and all you see the SF mafia say is "all the SDLP do is attack us"
TIME FOR REAL CHANGE JUST NOT US WHO VE BEEN IN POWER FOR 15 YEARS!
SDLP shouldn't be focusing on SF. It would be hard to look past a party that stopped Brexit and delivered Casement.
are they waiting for friday morning like 8am to count votes or will they start immediately after polling closes at 10pm
Quote from: Eire90 on April 30, 2022, 10:36:04 PM
are they waiting for friday morning like 8am to count votes or will they start immediately after polling closes at 10pm
They'll wait, sure their is not going to be an Executive anyway.
Heard on radio Ulster on Friday that the last assembly elections they started counting 8am first results were declare at 17.15 and and done for 3am Saturday morning.
Quote from: trailer on April 30, 2022, 06:31:36 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on April 30, 2022, 05:12:10 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2022, 12:34:04 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on April 29, 2022, 10:54:39 AM
Unionists have always seemed to be a bit wiser to this than nationalists. Anyone plumping for one party is a tool
Yeah a lot of people don't realise that you can vote all the way down I think.
Big time. We were chatting about this the other week in the house, and only my da and one of my older brothers knew to do or that you could vote more than 3. The rest all intelligent people but hadn't a clue about it. Same amongst the mates.. Might also go somewhat to explaining that stat about sf voters being the least likely to transfer. Should political reps be explaining that better?
SF don't want you to transfer. They don't want the scrutiny from another Nationalist party. Look through the posts here and all you see the SF mafia say is "all the SDLP do is attack us"
TIME FOR REAL CHANGE JUST NOT US WHO VE BEEN IN POWER FOR 15 YEARS!
Yeah, nationalists in north are going to put up with shower of Fianna Fail f**k pigs. Stoopers are a disgrace, up to their holes in those corrupt wankers. The wee croppy boy is a pathetic excuse of a politician. How's his promise to stop Brexit going? Lord Colum of Londonderry will soon join Lady Ritchie in the Establishment cesspit of the Lords. Time for real change indeed, and put those middle class wankers out of their misery.
CAPITAL LETTERS OR NOT!
do we get exit polls at 10pm or is northern ireland assembly election too minor for that
Quote from: red hander on May 01, 2022, 01:30:56 AM
Yeah, nationalists in north are going to put up with shower of Fianna Fail f**k pigs. Stoopers are a disgrace, up to their holes in those corrupt wankers. The wee croppy boy is a pathetic excuse of a politician. How's his promise to stop Brexit going? Lord Colum of Londonderry will soon join Lady Ritchie in the Establishment cesspit of the Lords. Time for real change indeed, and put those middle class wankers out of their misery.
CAPITAL LETTERS OR NOT!
That's mature analysis.
Quote from: trailer on April 30, 2022, 06:31:36 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on April 30, 2022, 05:12:10 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2022, 12:34:04 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on April 29, 2022, 10:54:39 AM
Unionists have always seemed to be a bit wiser to this than nationalists. Anyone plumping for one party is a tool
Yeah a lot of people don't realise that you can vote all the way down I think.
Big time. We were chatting about this the other week in the house, and only my da and one of my older brothers knew to do or that you could vote more than 3. The rest all intelligent people but hadn't a clue about it. Same amongst the mates.. Might also go somewhat to explaining that stat about sf voters being the least likely to transfer. Should political reps be explaining that better?
SF don't want you to transfer. They don't want the scrutiny from another Nationalist party. Look through the posts here and all you see the SF mafia say is "all the SDLP do is attack us"
TIME FOR REAL CHANGE JUST NOT US WHO VE BEEN IN POWER FOR 15 YEARS!
LMAO way to miss the point yet again.
I have no problem with them incessantly attacking SF. It's their very own form of electoral self-harm so let them at it. From my perspective its just sheer bemusement that the penny, unbelievably, still hasn't dropped with them that nationalists want their political representatives to focus their attacks on political unionism (specifically the DUP); rather than on each other. SF worked that out for themselves years ago. They rarely ever as much as even mention the SDLP.
Remember a few months back when the Commission for Flags, Identity, Culture and Tradition released a report (as required under the terms of the NDNA) which cost £800k, and then not one of it's 44 proposals was allowed to be implemented because the DUP vetoed it? Remember? The DUP only agreed to release the report's recommendations at all on the sole condition that there would be no implementation plan. SF, meanwhile, were actively arguing for an implementation plan to be made and calling for the those who were opposed to it, to explain why. And guess what? The SDLP were straight of the the blocks trying to pin the blame jointly on "SF and the DUP". They can't seem to comprehend that people (apart from yourself Trailer) instantly see through such dishonest bull and can see when the SDLP are trying to treat people like they are stupid.
Opposition to the party who holds the Joint First Minister post and as a consequence helps set the agenda is normal in a functioning democracy. SF don't want scrutiny. They want a dictatorship.
Take the health service. Look at the waiting lists. Look at the absolute state of it. Do SF take responsibility? Do they shite.
Look at Education, look at housing, look at all these issues in the North, none have improved under SF and the DUP rule. Time for change alright.
sdlp pissed off a lot of people with their hardcore vaccine passsport stance and im not just talking about conspiracy therorists i am talking normal people and business owners.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 01, 2022, 01:38:38 PM
sdlp pissed off a lot of people with their hardcore vaccine passsport stance and im not just talking about conspiracy therorists i am talking normal people and business owners.
Amen brother, with the current leadership they are a lame duck. SF have not impressed me either all the same. They are as easily led by cute hoot Civil Servants. Until they take these buckos on it's more of the same shite.
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2022, 11:18:55 AM
Opposition to the party who holds the Joint First Minister post and as a consequence helps set the agenda is normal in a functioning democracy. SF don't want scrutiny. They want a dictatorship.
Take the health service. Look at the waiting lists. Look at the absolute state of it. Do SF take responsibility? Do they shite.
Look at Education, look at housing, look at all these issues in the North, none have improved under SF and the DUP rule. Time for change alright.
you are in dreamland chief, all of that change is impossible in the north
the vast, vast majority of the population there are happy with the status quo and that will never change no matter what party runs their glorified county council ::)
But people aren't happy with status quo, political parties are too set on their own objectives that they can't Co operate on anything. What really has been progressed political over the past 20yrs.Some new roads in recent yrs but the Health service in a way worst state than 20yrs ago, while parties argue for a border poll which I think leave northerners worst off, or the union jack waving bridage who can't see reality of life, outside of marches, band parades, and trying to stick one to republicans
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2022, 11:18:55 AM
Opposition to the party who holds the Joint First Minister post and as a consequence helps set the agenda is normal in a functioning democracy. SF don't want scrutiny. They want a dictatorship.
Take the health service. Look at the waiting lists. Look at the absolute state of it. Do SF take responsibility? Do they shite.
Look at Education, look at housing, look at all these issues in the North, none have improved under SF and the DUP rule. Time for change alright.
lol its like something written by Colum Eastwood himself. All the ills must be laid at SFs door. Unless it's something that the DUP alone did, in which case blame gets shared with both them and SF. Laughably transparent.
The best of it is, they do it not as a noble attempt at keeping SF to account as you claim, but out of a ridiculously misguided attempt at electioneering, yet they still haven't figured out that constantly attacking SF isn't the best way of getting the SF transfers they so desperately need.
Jeffery coming across like a Pratt on the leaders debate.. Long got a couple of tough questions there in the first part but answered them well.. Although sooner or later there opinion on Border Poll will have to come
Quote from: Snapchap on May 01, 2022, 07:46:05 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2022, 11:18:55 AM
Opposition to the party who holds the Joint First Minister post and as a consequence helps set the agenda is normal in a functioning democracy. SF don't want scrutiny. They want a dictatorship.
Take the health service. Look at the waiting lists. Look at the absolute state of it. Do SF take responsibility? Do they shite.
Look at Education, look at housing, look at all these issues in the North, none have improved under SF and the DUP rule. Time for change alright.
lol its like something written by Colum Eastwood himself. All the ills must be laid at SFs door. Unless it's something that the DUP alone did, in which case blame gets shared with both them and SF. Laughably transparent.
The best of it is, they do it not as a noble attempt at keeping SF to account as you claim, but out of a ridiculously misguided attempt at electioneering, yet they still haven't figured out that constantly attacking SF isn't the best way of getting the SF transfers they so desperately need.
Northern Ireland spends less than other parts of the UK on education (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-59001739) and it has nowhere near enough university places for its students.
Who do you blame for this? SF have other priorities for spending and refuse to raise money by things like water charges.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 01, 2022, 01:38:38 PM
sdlp pissed off a lot of people with their hardcore vaccine passsport stance and im not just talking about conspiracy therorists i am talking normal people and business owners.
Wise up
Quote from: Snapchap on May 01, 2022, 07:46:05 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2022, 11:18:55 AM
Opposition to the party who holds the Joint First Minister post and as a consequence helps set the agenda is normal in a functioning democracy. SF don't want scrutiny. They want a dictatorship.
Take the health service. Look at the waiting lists. Look at the absolute state of it. Do SF take responsibility? Do they shite.
Look at Education, look at housing, look at all these issues in the North, none have improved under SF and the DUP rule. Time for change alright.
lol its like something written by Colum Eastwood himself. All the ills must be laid at SFs door. Unless it's something that the DUP alone did, in which case blame gets shared with both them and SF. Laughably transparent.
The best of it is, they do it not as a noble attempt at keeping SF to account as you claim, but out of a ridiculously misguided attempt at electioneering, yet they still haven't figured out that constantly attacking SF isn't the best way of getting the SF transfers they so desperately need.
Ok, the floor is yours. What has SF done in this past Stormont mandate?
Quote from: trailer on May 02, 2022, 09:39:45 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 01, 2022, 07:46:05 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2022, 11:18:55 AM
Opposition to the party who holds the Joint First Minister post and as a consequence helps set the agenda is normal in a functioning democracy. SF don't want scrutiny. They want a dictatorship.
Take the health service. Look at the waiting lists. Look at the absolute state of it. Do SF take responsibility? Do they shite.
Look at Education, look at housing, look at all these issues in the North, none have improved under SF and the DUP rule. Time for change alright.
lol its like something written by Colum Eastwood himself. All the ills must be laid at SFs door. Unless it's something that the DUP alone did, in which case blame gets shared with both them and SF. Laughably transparent.
The best of it is, they do it not as a noble attempt at keeping SF to account as you claim, but out of a ridiculously misguided attempt at electioneering, yet they still haven't figured out that constantly attacking SF isn't the best way of getting the SF transfers they so desperately need.
Ok, the floor is yours. What has SF done in this past Stormont mandate?
You have google just like I do. Here's Deirdre Hargey's activity in the last year in Stormont:
Plenary Item Title Item Tabled As Tabled Date Plenary Date
Final Consideration Stage: Support for Mortgage Interest etc. (Security for Loans) Bill (NIA Bill 42/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/03/2022 22/03/2022
The Coronavirus Act 2020 (Extension of Provisions Related to Local Authority Meetings) Order (Northern Ireland) 2022 Motion Minister for Communities 15/03/2022 21/03/2022
The Occupational Pension Schemes (Administration, Investment and Charges and Governance) (Amendment) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021 Motion Minister for Communities 11/03/2022 21/03/2022
Amendment 32 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 31 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 30 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 29 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 28 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 27 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 26 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 25 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 24 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 23 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 22 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 21 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 20 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 19 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 18 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 17 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 16 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 15 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 14 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 13 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 12 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 11 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 10 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 9 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 8 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 7 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 6 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 5 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 4 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 3 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 2 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 1 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Final Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 08/03/2022 15/03/2022
Further Consideration Stage: Support for Mortgage Interest etc. (Security for Loans) Bill (NIA Bill 42/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 08/03/2022 14/03/2022
Amendment 10 - Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 03/03/2022 07/03/2022
Amendment 8 - Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 03/03/2022 07/03/2022
Amendment 7 - Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 03/03/2022 07/03/2022
Amendment 6 - Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 03/03/2022 07/03/2022
Amendment 5 - Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 03/03/2022 07/03/2022
Amendment 4 - Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 03/03/2022 07/03/2022
Amendment 1 - Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 03/03/2022 07/03/2022
Final Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 01/03/2022 08/03/2022
Final Stage: Budget Bill (NIA Bill 55/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 01/03/2022 08/03/2022
Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 01/03/2022 07/03/2022
Energy Payment Support Scheme Oral Ministerial Statement Minister for Communities 28/02/2022 01/03/2022
Amendment 2 - Further Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 24/02/2022 28/02/2022
Amendment 1 - Further Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 24/02/2022 28/02/2022
The Pensions Regulator (Employer Resources Test) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021 Motion Minister for Communities 23/02/2022 14/03/2022
The Occupational Pension Schemes (Climate Change Governance and Reporting) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021 Motion Minister for Communities 23/02/2022 07/03/2022
Long Title - Consideration Stage: Support for Mortgage Interest etc. (Security for Loans) Bill (NIA Bill 42/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 22/02/2022 01/03/2022
Clause 2 - Consideration Stage: Support for Mortgage Interest etc. (Security for Loans) Bill (NIA Bill 42/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 22/02/2022 01/03/2022
Clause 1 - Consideration Stage: Support for Mortgage Interest etc. (Security for Loans) Bill (NIA Bill 42/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 22/02/2022 01/03/2022
Final Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payment (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 22/02/2022 01/03/2022
Further Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 22/02/2022 28/02/2022
Amendment 45 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 44 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 43 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 42 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 41 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 40 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 39 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 38 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 37 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 36 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 35 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 34 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 33 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 32 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 31 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 30 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 29 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 28 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 27 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 26 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 25 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 24 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 23 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 22 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 21 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 14 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 12 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 11 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 10 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 9 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 8 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 7 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 6 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 5 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 4 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 3 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 2 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 1 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 3 - Further Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 2 - Further Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Amendment 1 - Further Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 17/02/2022 23/02/2022
Housing Executive Rent Written Ministerial Statement Minister for Communities 16/02/2022 16/02/2022
Schedule 3 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/02/2022 23/02/2022
Schedule 2 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/02/2022 23/02/2022
Schedule 1 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/02/2022 23/02/2022
Clause 14 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/02/2022 23/02/2022
Clause 13 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/02/2022 23/02/2022
Clause 12 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/02/2022 23/02/2022
Clause 11 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/02/2022 23/02/2022
Clause 10 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/02/2022 23/02/2022
Clause 9 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/02/2022 23/02/2022
Clause 8 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/02/2022 23/02/2022
Clause 7 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/02/2022 23/02/2022
Long Title - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/02/2022 23/02/2022
Clause 6 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/02/2022 23/02/2022
Clause 5 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/02/2022 23/02/2022
Clause 4 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/02/2022 23/02/2022
Clause 3 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/02/2022 23/02/2022
Clause 2 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/02/2022 23/02/2022
Clause 1 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/02/2022 23/02/2022
Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/02/2022 23/02/2022
Further Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/02/2022 22/02/2022
The Gaming and Lotteries (Variation of Monetary Limits) Order (Northern Ireland) 2022 Motion Minister for Communities 15/02/2022
Amendment 3 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/02/2022 15/02/2022
Amendment 1 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/02/2022 15/02/2022
Clause 6 - Consideration Stage: Autism (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 31/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 08/02/2022 15/02/2022
Long Title - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 08/02/2022 15/02/2022
Schedule - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 08/02/2022 15/02/2022
Clause 16 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 08/02/2022 15/02/2022
Clause 15 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 08/02/2022 15/02/2022
Clause 14 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 08/02/2022 15/02/2022
Clause 13 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 08/02/2022 15/02/2022
Clause 12 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 08/02/2022 15/02/2022
Clause 11 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 08/02/2022 15/02/2022
Clause 10 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 08/02/2022 15/02/2022
Clause 9 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 08/02/2022 15/02/2022
Clause 8 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 08/02/2022 15/02/2022
Clause 7 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 08/02/2022 15/02/2022
Clause 6 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 08/02/2022 15/02/2022
Clause 5 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 08/02/2022 15/02/2022
Clause 4 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 08/02/2022 15/02/2022
Clause 3 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 08/02/2022 15/02/2022
Clause 2 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 08/02/2022 15/02/2022
Clause 1 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 08/02/2022 15/02/2022
Further Consideration Stage: Integrated Education Bill (NIA Bill 23/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 01/02/2022
Long Title - Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 01/02/2022 08/02/2022
Clause 4 - Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 01/02/2022 08/02/2022
Clause 3 - Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 01/02/2022 08/02/2022
Clause 2 - Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 01/02/2022 08/02/2022
Clause 1 - Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 01/02/2022 08/02/2022
Final Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 01/02/2022 08/02/2022
The draft Welfare Supplementary Payment (Amendment) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2022 Motion Minister for Communities 01/02/2022 08/02/2022
Further Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 25/01/2022 31/01/2022
The draft Welfare Supplementary Payment (Extension) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2022 Motion Minister for Communities 21/01/2022 31/01/2022
Final Stage: Social Security (Terminal Illness) Bill (NIA Bill 47/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 18/01/2022 24/01/2022
Double Jobbing for MPs and Members Motion MLA - South Belfast 18/01/2022
Amendment 4 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 13/01/2022 17/01/2022
Amendment 3 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 13/01/2022 17/01/2022
Amendment 2 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 13/01/2022 17/01/2022
Amendment 1 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 13/01/2022 17/01/2022
Energy Payment Support Scheme Written Ministerial Statement Minister for Communities 13/01/2022 17/01/2022
Long Title - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 11/01/2022 17/01/2022
Clause 4 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 11/01/2022 17/01/2022
Clause 3 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 11/01/2022 17/01/2022
Clause 2 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 11/01/2022 17/01/2022
Clause 1 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 11/01/2022 17/01/2022
Further Consideration Stage: Social Security (Terminal Illness) Bill (NIA Bill 47/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 11/01/2022 19/01/2022
Second Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 11/01/2022 19/01/2022
Accelerated Passage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 11/01/2022 19/01/2022
Legislative Consent Motion: Pension Schemes (Conversion of Guaranteed Minimum Pensions) Bill Motion Minister for Communities 10/01/2022 24/01/2022
Keeping Schools Open and Safe Motion MLA - South Belfast 06/01/2022 10/01/2022
Improvements to Terms and Conditions for Voluntary and Community Sector Posts Supported directly through the Department for Communities Written Ministerial Statement Minister for Communities 15/12/2021 17/01/2022
Housing Supply Strategy Written Ministerial Statement Minister for Communities 08/12/2021 08/12/2021
Consideration Stage: Social Security (Terminal Illness) Bill (NIA Bill 47/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 07/12/2021 14/12/2021
BIC Indigenous and Minority Languages Sectoral meeting Oral Ministerial Statement Minister for Communities 30/11/2021 07/12/2021
Second Stage: Social Security (Terminal Illness) Bill (NIA Bill 47/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 30/11/2021 07/12/2021
Fairness for Caravan Owners Public Petition Minister for Communities 23/11/2021 06/12/2021
Accelerated Passage: Social Security (Terminal Illness) Bill (NIA Bill 47/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 18/11/2021 07/12/2021
Support Packages for Consumers Facing Fuel Poverty Urgent Oral Question Minister for Communities 12/11/2021
Second Stage: Support for Mortgage Interest etc (Security for Loans) Bill (NIA Bill 42/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 09/11/2021 16/11/2021
The Local Government Auditor's Draft Code of Audit Practice 2021 Motion Minister for Communities 21/10/2021 16/11/2021
Second Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 14/09/2021 27/09/2021
Award of Funding for Ormeau Road Concert Urgent Oral Question Minister for Communities 13/09/2021
Energy Price Rises Urgent Oral Question Minister for Communities 09/09/2021
Second Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 07/09/2021 13/09/2021
Guidance to Schools on COVID-19 Motion MLA - South Belfast 06/09/2021 09/09/2021
But the list above not really he point, is it? You suggested the SDLP's attacks on SF are all about keeping them to account. So why is it they are generally more interested in "keeping to account" SF instead of the DUP, given that the DUP are fairly well accepted as the problem party? Why do they repeatedly, dishonestly attempt to apportion blame to SF in instances where the DUP, and the DUP alone, have been causing issues? Do you think people are too stupid to see what they are at? Are you too stupid to see what they are at?
Quote from: Snapchap on May 02, 2022, 09:55:44 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 02, 2022, 09:39:45 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 01, 2022, 07:46:05 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2022, 11:18:55 AM
Opposition to the party who holds the Joint First Minister post and as a consequence helps set the agenda is normal in a functioning democracy. SF don't want scrutiny. They want a dictatorship.
Take the health service. Look at the waiting lists. Look at the absolute state of it. Do SF take responsibility? Do they shite.
Look at Education, look at housing, look at all these issues in the North, none have improved under SF and the DUP rule. Time for change alright.
lol its like something written by Colum Eastwood himself. All the ills must be laid at SFs door. Unless it's something that the DUP alone did, in which case blame gets shared with both them and SF. Laughably transparent.
The best of it is, they do it not as a noble attempt at keeping SF to account as you claim, but out of a ridiculously misguided attempt at electioneering, yet they still haven't figured out that constantly attacking SF isn't the best way of getting the SF transfers they so desperately need.
Ok, the floor is yours. What has SF done in this past Stormont mandate?
You have google just like I do. Here's Deirdre Hargey's activity in the last year in Stormont:
Plenary Item Title Item Tabled As Tabled Date Plenary Date
Final Consideration Stage: Support for Mortgage Interest etc. (Security for Loans) Bill (NIA Bill 42/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 15/03/2022 22/03/2022
The Coronavirus Act 2020 (Extension of Provisions Related to Local Authority Meetings) Order (Northern Ireland) 2022 Motion Minister for Communities 15/03/2022 21/03/2022
The Occupational Pension Schemes (Administration, Investment and Charges and Governance) (Amendment) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021 Motion Minister for Communities 11/03/2022 21/03/2022
Amendment 32 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 31 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 30 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 29 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 28 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 27 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 26 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 25 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
Amendment 24 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22) Motion Minister for Communities 10/03/2022 15/03/2022
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Proves my point perfectly.
Quote from: LeoMc on April 30, 2022, 07:32:50 PM
I take your point about the fractional values and I will put my hands up if I am wrong but it is something that was flagged up recently by Richard Bullick as an anomaly where non transferable votes were actually transferred.
https://twitter.com/richardbullick1/status/1513857016531492871?s=21
That's astonishing and even toxic. The simple solution is that the leading candidate at that stage should be elected despite not reaching the quota.
Quote from: Main Street on May 02, 2022, 04:37:49 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 30, 2022, 07:32:50 PM
I take your point about the fractional values and I will put my hands up if I am wrong but it is something that was flagged up recently by Richard Bullick as an anomaly where non transferable votes were actually transferred.
https://twitter.com/richardbullick1/status/1513857016531492871?s=21
That's astonishing and even toxic. The simple solution is that the leading candidate at that stage should be elected despite not reaching the quota.
Nicholas Whyte, who is a geek for these things, has said that's not the way it works thankfully.
People should still transfer down the ballot regardless though.
https://m.facebook.com/DeclanAMcGuinness/videos/1131520247423357/ (https://m.facebook.com/DeclanAMcGuinness/videos/1131520247423357/)
A priest in Belfast(?) giving his opinion on the abortion debate and advising parishioners to vote accordingly.
Gets a round of applause, be interesting to see if this translates to votes for Aontú and the like. Though mass attenders are more likely to be prolife anyway.
The latest poll results have the Alliance Party neck and neck with the DUP which would be fairly seismic. Not too sure how this would translate in terms of overall seats though.
SF - 26.6
Alliance - 18.2
DUP - 18.2
UUP - 12.1
SDLP - 10.5
What is this with the Diane Forsythe video?
Quote from: yellowcard on May 03, 2022, 10:47:51 AM
The latest poll results have the Alliance Party neck and neck with the DUP which would be fairly seismic. Not too sure how this would translate in terms of overall seats though.
SF - 26.6
Alliance - 18.2
DUP - 18.2
UUP - 12.1
SDLP - 10.5
I would be really surprised if Alliance equal the DUP. (Your seat point is probably relevant because even if they do I'd guess less seats).
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 03, 2022, 10:34:53 AM
https://m.facebook.com/DeclanAMcGuinness/videos/1131520247423357/ (https://m.facebook.com/DeclanAMcGuinness/videos/1131520247423357/)
A priest in Belfast(?) giving his opinion on the abortion debate and advising parishioners to vote accordingly.
Gets a round of applause, be interesting to see if this translates to votes for Aontú and the like. Though mass attenders are more likely to be prolife anyway.
Same happened in Portaferry this weekend I was told, must have been a letter from the Bishop of Down and Connor it seems..
Quote from: yellowcard on May 03, 2022, 10:47:51 AM
The latest poll results have the Alliance Party neck and neck with the DUP which would be fairly seismic. Not too sure how this would translate in terms of overall seats though.
SF - 26.6
Alliance - 18.2
DUP - 18.2
UUP - 12.1
SDLP - 10.5
Any figure for TUVUDA?
I'd imagine most of their transfers would in practice end up with DUPUDA candidates.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 03, 2022, 11:07:31 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 03, 2022, 10:47:51 AM
The latest poll results have the Alliance Party neck and neck with the DUP which would be fairly seismic. Not too sure how this would translate in terms of overall seats though.
SF - 26.6
Alliance - 18.2
DUP - 18.2
UUP - 12.1
SDLP - 10.5
I would be really surprised if Alliance equal the DUP. (Your seat point is probably relevant because even if they do I'd guess less seats).
Well the numbers don't often lie. What is clear is that the DUP have made no ground during the election campaign, I think plenty of people just want to give them a bloody nose.
The polls do sadly or we wouldn't have Brexit!
I won't believe the numbers until Friday tbh. Polls have seemed very inaccurate this last number of years for elections.
Aontu will probably do rightly as the abortion thing is a big issue for a lot especially older people but it doesn't get mentioned enough. Always have this niggly feeling that nationalists who are sick of the status quo won't vote sf but unionists who are sick of it will still vote dup to keep the shinners out. Polls seem to be looking good though. Perfect scenario is Alliance beating the DUP and becoming the second largest party.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 03, 2022, 11:38:33 AM
The polls do sadly or we wouldn't have Brexit!
I won't believe the numbers until Friday tbh. Polls have seemed very inaccurate this last number of years for elections.
From LucidTalk's home page:
LT forecast the Northern Ireland Westminster Election 2019 results to within 1%
LT forecast the Northern Ireland Assembly Election 2017 results to within 1%
LT forecast the Northern Ireland EU Referendum 2016 result to within 1%
Quote from: Estimator on May 03, 2022, 11:55:18 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 03, 2022, 11:38:33 AM
The polls do sadly or we wouldn't have Brexit!
I won't believe the numbers until Friday tbh. Polls have seemed very inaccurate this last number of years for elections.
From LucidTalk's home page:
LT forecast the Northern Ireland Westminster Election 2019 results to within 1%
LT forecast the Northern Ireland Assembly Election 2017 results to within 1%
LT forecast the Northern Ireland EU Referendum 2016 result to within 1%
That is really good going!
Quote from: Estimator on May 03, 2022, 11:55:18 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 03, 2022, 11:38:33 AM
The polls do sadly or we wouldn't have Brexit!
I won't believe the numbers until Friday tbh. Polls have seemed very inaccurate this last number of years for elections.
From LucidTalk's home page:
LT forecast the Northern Ireland Westminster Election 2019 results to within 1%
LT forecast the Northern Ireland Assembly Election 2017 results to within 1%
LT forecast the Northern Ireland EU Referendum 2016 result to within 1%
Oh :o. Well that's good then!
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 03, 2022, 11:43:29 AM
Aontu will probably do rightly as the abortion thing is a big issue for a lot especially older people but it doesn't get mentioned enough. Always have this niggly feeling that nationalists who are sick of the status quo won't vote sf but unionists who are sick of it will still vote dup to keep the shinners out. Polls seem to be looking good though. Perfect scenario is Alliance beating the DUP and becoming the second largest party.
Im not sure how we will do in Derry, small team, Declan McGuinness(martins brother) working hard for Doyle but McCloskey is back in as independent and I think she could cause confusion. Anyhow it is an honorable fight and thats good enough for me,
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 03, 2022, 11:43:29 AM
Aontu will probably do rightly as the abortion thing is a big issue for a lot especially older people but it doesn't get mentioned enough. Always have this niggly feeling that nationalists who are sick of the status quo won't vote sf but unionists who are sick of it will still vote dup to keep the shinners out. Polls seem to be looking good though. Perfect scenario is Alliance beating the DUP and becoming the second largest party.
Even if Alliance finish ahead of DUP in votes, transfers from TUV candidates who don't get elected will probably give the DUP more seats than Alliance.
I would have thought Alliance would be very transfer friendly.
Quote from: ardtole on May 03, 2022, 02:09:45 PM
I would have thought Alliance would be very transfer friendly.
Yeah they would be but then most TUV voters will give second choice to DUP you'd imagine. Can see plenty TUV candidates doing rightly but just falling short of getting in. Majority of SF/SDLP and UUP voters will have Alliance somewhere on their list
Turns out that in 2020, SF's Declan Kearney wrote a letter to Saoradh, political wing of the 'New IRA' who murdered Lyra McKee, trying to encourage them to focus on a peaceful route to Irish Unity. Of course the letter only made it to the public domain days out from an election and at the Leaders Debate, the Unionist parties, along with the SDLP rounded on SF for speaking to dissidents.
Colum Eastwood tried to get extra political mileage out of this cynical bull in the following day or two - the same Colum Eastwood who in 2016 was arguing that it is important to talk to dissidents to talk them out of violence. Utter cynicism and hypocrisy.
Then Lyra's sister released a statement (below) yesterday in which she defended SF for the letter and criticised the "reprehensible" motivations of those attacking them for it. Needless to say, Colum has gone quiet on the story since.
Nobody told Neale Richmond about the statement though, who was tweeting today about how "extremely worrying" it is to hear of SFs letter.
Does make you wonder if he hasn't seen Lyra's statement calling out such abuse if her sisters name, or, is it the case that he did see it, but still thinks it's worth ignoring if it let's him get a dig at SF a few days before an election.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FR0Ml2xXEAAkiYt?format=jpg&name=large)
Acht na Gaeilge anois lol.
Quote from: Snapchap on May 03, 2022, 06:12:49 PM
Turns out that in 2020, SF's Declan Kearney wrote a letter to Saoradh, political wing of the 'New IRA' who murdered Lyra McKee, trying to encourage them to focus on a peaceful route to Irish Unity. Of course the letter only made it to the public domain days out from an election and at the Leaders Debate, the Unionist parties, along with the SDLP rounded on SF for speaking to dissidents.
Colum Eastwood tried to get extra political mileage out of this cynical bull in the following day or two - the same Colum Eastwood who in 2016 was arguing that it is important to talk to dissidents to talk them out of violence. Utter cynicism and hypocrisy.
Then Lyra's sister released a statement (below) yesterday in which she defended SF for the letter and criticised the "reprehensible" motivations of those attacking them for it. Needless to say, Colum has gone quiet on the story since.
Nobody told Neale Richmond about the statement though, who was tweeting today about how "extremely worrying" it is to hear of SFs letter.
Does make you wonder if he hasn't seen Lyra's statement calling out such abuse if her sisters name, or, is it the case that he did see it, but still thinks it's worth ignoring if it let's him get a dig at SF a few days before an election.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FR0Ml2xXEAAkiYt?format=jpg&name=large)
Lowest of the low.
Ffs Eastwood smashed that debate tonight if you are being honest
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 03, 2022, 10:01:35 PM
Ffs Eastwood smashed that debate tonight if you are being honest
Lol.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 03, 2022, 10:01:35 PM
Ffs Eastwood smashed that debate tonight if you are being honest
Him and Doug the winners for me - Doug went for Jeffery and drew blood.
Michelle done rightly only slipped on on public sector wages question IMO. Long didn't really get much airtime, shouted over.
Jeffery was f**king clueless - fact checked by the presenter as he was talking crap
Is some food really 8-19% more expensive in Tesco, Sainsburys & Asda here compared to GB?
donaldson had a nightmare i here
Quote from: Eire90 on May 03, 2022, 10:49:30 PM
donaldson had a nightmare i here
Caught in the headlights. They will have a bloody nose come Saturday morning.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 03, 2022, 10:49:30 PM
donaldson had a nightmare i here
Aye lucidtalk done poll there, Eastwood won , Donaldson last
Donaldson is turning out to be exactly what I thought poots would be. I can't believe how bad a leader he is. (Unfortunately he will still get a pile of votes as he's not "them 'uns".
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 04, 2022, 07:36:20 AM
Donaldson is turning out to be exactly what I thought poots would be. I can't believe how bad a leader he is. (Unfortunately he will still get a pile of votes as he's not "them 'uns".
A Machiavellian mind he certainly isn't, comes across very poorly when asked even the most basic of questions, promoted way beyond his ability, but was the obvious candidate as leader when you consider Sammy, Ian Og etc etc.
I sincerely hope they take a booting this weekend, but I've still a nagging doubt.
Anyone notice how TUV and Sinn Féin are using the exact same election slogan?! ;D
"Vote for change". I hate how "change" has become a buzzword for politicians to run campaigns on, even (seemingly) by parties who are already in the executive! ::)
I have my doubts too. You drive through places like ards, east belfast, ballymena etc and see the anti protocol stuff about. They've done enough fear mongering in key areas to pick up enough of a vote :(
Same anywhere wrt change. The tories were running on a change policy despite being in government for 10+ years. People still fall for it!! (They changed plenty - just not for the better!!)
Can't say I've followed the election that closely but what concerns me is that loss of DUP votes to TUV may not have much negative impact on seats . TuV will get an increased vote but most will still be eliminated early and I imagine will transfer en masse to DUP. Similarly Ulster unionists voters though attracted by Beattie's middle ground ethos are still unionists and may favour transferring to DUP. DUP vote may also hold up ok as their scaremongering, "protocol and keep SF out " , approach will result in an increased unionist turnout , favouring the unionist party most likely to keep SF out and optimising internal unionist transferring. There remains nationalist and middle ground apathy - despite demographic changes , the nationalist vote has not really increased as much as expected in recent years.
I hope DUP get a beating but It ain't over yet.
Yeah I would still expect SF to be number 1 party at the end of this but I would be very surprised were DUP anything other than number 2 and probably by a decent enough margin.
None of this will make a difference really except symbolically
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.
Quote from: trailer on May 04, 2022, 09:06:48 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.
You would be very worried about here health if close to her, did she say recently she had some condition, MON flat out dieting by looks of it, mad weight loss
Quote from: trailer on May 04, 2022, 09:06:48 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.
I think it is for the Alliance.
If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.
No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 04, 2022, 09:13:20 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 04, 2022, 09:06:48 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.
You would be very worried about here health if close to her, did she say recently she had some condition, MON flat out dieting by looks of it, mad weight loss
She has. She looks a lot healthier. Politics I don't think is a career that allows for a healthy lifestyle. Late nights. Endless meetings. Food on the go. No time for the gym. Fair play to her.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 09:26:44 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 04, 2022, 09:06:48 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.
I think it is for the Alliance.
If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.
No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
100%
Quote from: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 09:26:44 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 04, 2022, 09:06:48 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.
I think it is for the Alliance.
If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.
No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
Not every election is a border poll.
These are council elections. It is about how much rates you pay, what facilities are available and maybe what language your street signs are in. Councils can't declare a UDI and secede from the Union.
Quote from: LeoMc on May 04, 2022, 09:48:52 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 09:26:44 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 04, 2022, 09:06:48 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.
I think it is for the Alliance.
If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.
No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
Not every election is a border poll.
These are council elections. It is about how much rates you pay, what facilities are available and maybe what language your street signs are in. Councils can't declare a UDI and secede from the Union.
This isn't a council election.
I get that for now they can say we're ambivalent to the Union or UI. But at some point they need to pick because what we need to be doing is preparing for a UI in the next 10 years. That means decisions on health and infrastructure and Education etc will need to orientate towards Dublin and not London. So for now to a point, yes they can stay "neutral" if supporting the status quo is neutral. But long term they need to pick a horse.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 04, 2022, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 09:26:44 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 04, 2022, 09:06:48 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.
I think it is for the Alliance.
If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.
No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
100%
Yiz must be joking. A border poll, when it happens, will be the most seismic political event of our lifetimes. Nobody will be able to escape partaking in the debate once the referendum is called - least of all a political party. I don't think it's credible to think that a party will willingly sideline itself from involvement in the hottest political event in it's existence. If it is foolish enough to try sitting on the fence then it will be lambasted from every side, not just from one. In Britain, Labour tried to ride two horses at once with the Brexit referendum and made an embarrassment of themselves. For now, Alliance can sit on the fence today and insist that they are not concerned with hypothetical constitutional arrangements when the health/cost of living crises etc are what people want dealt with; which is well and good, but once a border poll is called then that excuse goes out the window. A referendum campaign when it happens, will be all people will be talking about and in such a climate, Alliance will be unable to pretend otherwise. Naomi Long already stated before at Féile and Phobail that in the event of a border poll, the party will campaign. She just wouldn't be drawn on what side they will campaign on.
EDIT
She's also said on twitter a number of times, that Alliance will take a side in the event of a referendum:
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074)
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.
The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.
Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate
Alliance comprises of unionists and nationalists and neither so presumably they will have to have a major party conference or vote of the entire membership to decide on a position when/if S of S calls the referendum/plebiscite.
1 segment of their membership will likely decamp if they plump for yes or no.
Meanwhile back to the present.....
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.
The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.
Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate
I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.
Quote from: Snapchap on May 04, 2022, 10:19:08 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 04, 2022, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 09:26:44 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 04, 2022, 09:06:48 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.
I think it is for the Alliance.
If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.
No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
100%
Yiz must be joking. A border poll, when it happens, will be the most seismic political event of our lifetimes. Nobody will be able to escape partaking in the debate once the referendum is called - least of all a political party. I don't think it's credible to think that a party will willingly sideline itself from involvement in the hottest political event in it's existence. If it is foolish enough to try sitting on the fence then it will be lambasted from every side, not just from one. In Britain, Labour tried to ride two horses at once with the Brexit referendum and made an embarrassment of themselves. For now, Alliance can sit on the fence today and insist that they are not concerned with hypothetical constitutional arrangements when the health/cost of living crises etc are what people want dealt with; which is well and good, but once a border poll is called then that excuse goes out the window. A referendum campaign when it happens, will be all people will be talking about and in such a climate, Alliance will be unable to pretend otherwise. Naomi Long already stated before at Féile and Phobail that in the event of a border poll, the party will campaign. She just wouldn't be drawn on what side they will campaign on.
EDIT
She's also said on twitter a number of times, that Alliance will take a side in the event of a referendum:
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074)
The important thing to remember is that if the referendum ever happens it will be stocked to the gills with people who haven't weighed it up at all. They will have decided many years before. There will be a decent spread of these idiots across both sides of the campaign.
Others will adopt an attitude something like this:
A) dispassionately weigh up the options at the time.
B) make a decision based upon the up to date analysis.
C) get on with doing their best for this place in the meantime.
D) recognise that should a UI be voted into existence that NI and power sharing will still be here and portraying everything about being firstly and maybe lastly about the constitutional question is to waste the potential of the place when we are all still have to live along side each other and share power the other side of such a referendum.
There are of course people who will bear the constitutional question first when considering who is going to make decisions about schools, swimming pools, roads, bus fares, health etc etc. But we shouldn't beat ourselves about that as there are stupid people everywhere.
Quote from: pbat on May 04, 2022, 11:14:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.
The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.
Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate
I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.
A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP
Quote from: trailer on May 04, 2022, 10:14:02 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on May 04, 2022, 09:48:52 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 09:26:44 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 04, 2022, 09:06:48 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.
I think it is for the Alliance.
If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.
No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
Not every election is a border poll.
These are council elections. It is about how much rates you pay, what facilities are available and maybe what language your street signs are in. Councils can't declare a UDI and secede from the Union.
This isn't a council election.
I get that for now they can say we're ambivalent to the Union or UI. But at some point they need to pick because what we need to be doing is preparing for a UI in the next 10 years. That means decisions on health and infrastructure and Education etc will need to orientate towards Dublin and not London. So for now to a point, yes they can stay "neutral" if supporting the status quo is neutral. But long term they need to pick a horse.
It is a glorified town council that could not be trusted to do more than empty the bins.
Alliance can pick a horse if and when the time comes but for now it is about making this place workable, whatever the potential future constitutional arrangements.
They can pick a side based on the arguments for and against, when the arguments are made.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 04, 2022, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: pbat on May 04, 2022, 11:14:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.
The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.
Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate
I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.
A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP
This myth that voting SF/DUP to "keep the other out" needs banished once and for all. The executive/assembly needs cross community support to operate. SF need the DUP for stormont to function.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 04, 2022, 11:56:19 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 04, 2022, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: pbat on May 04, 2022, 11:14:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.
The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.
Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate
I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.
A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP
This myth that voting SF/DUP to "keep the other out" needs banished once and for all. The executive/assembly needs cross community support to operate. SF need the DUP for stormont to function.
It is not a myth and you need only look at the DUP's mantra and probably main selling point at this stage- they are the only party who can stop a SF first minister. A SF first minister would be seismic. I think the likes of Allister and Bryson would combust.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 04, 2022, 11:56:19 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 04, 2022, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: pbat on May 04, 2022, 11:14:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.
The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.
Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate
I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.
A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP
This myth that voting SF/DUP to "keep the other out" needs banished once and for all. The executive/assembly needs cross community support to operate. SF need the DUP for stormont to function.
Not to keep each other out, to be king ding. We all know they are splitting the money between them at community level for years-corruption
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 04, 2022, 12:03:42 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 04, 2022, 11:56:19 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 04, 2022, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: pbat on May 04, 2022, 11:14:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.
The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.
Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate
I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.
A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP
This myth that voting SF/DUP to "keep the other out" needs banished once and for all. The executive/assembly needs cross community support to operate. SF need the DUP for stormont to function.
It is not a myth and you need only look at the DUP's mantra and probably main selling point at this stage- they are the only party who can stop a SF first minister. A SF first minister would be seismic. I think the likes of Allister and Bryson would combust.
Can't wait!
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 04, 2022, 12:03:42 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 04, 2022, 11:56:19 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 04, 2022, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: pbat on May 04, 2022, 11:14:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.
The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.
Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate
I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.
A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP
This myth that voting SF/DUP to "keep the other out" needs banished once and for all. The executive/assembly needs cross community support to operate. SF need the DUP for stormont to function.
It is not a myth and you need only look at the DUP's mantra and probably main selling point at this stage- they are the only party who can stop a SF first minister. A SF first minister would be seismic. I think the likes of Allister and Bryson would combust.
It absolutely is a myth! SF could win 80 seats and the DUP 5 and they still couldn't form an assembly or an executive without Unionism nominating a deputy.
His latest tweet is great.
Get out on Friday and vote ;D
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 04, 2022, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: pbat on May 04, 2022, 11:14:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.
The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.
Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate
I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.
A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP and the SDLP whilst having some good ministers in Stormont have a terrible leader.
Fixed that for you.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 04, 2022, 12:07:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 04, 2022, 12:03:42 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 04, 2022, 11:56:19 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 04, 2022, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: pbat on May 04, 2022, 11:14:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.
The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.
Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate
I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.
A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP
This myth that voting SF/DUP to "keep the other out" needs banished once and for all. The executive/assembly needs cross community support to operate. SF need the DUP for stormont to function.
It is not a myth and you need only look at the DUP's mantra and probably main selling point at this stage- they are the only party who can stop a SF first minister. A SF first minister would be seismic. I think the likes of Allister and Bryson would combust.
It absolutely is a myth! SF could win 80 seats and the DUP 5 and they still couldn't form an assembly or an executive without Unionism nominating a deputy.
I get what you're saying, but the thick unionist that sort of shit appeals to will be thinking we can't let SF be the biggest party or all those gaa jersey wearing terrorists will take over the place etc etc.
If by some miracle Alliance were to be the second largest party behind SF I wonder would they designate as Unionist and go in.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.
The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.
Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate
You say it like it's a bad thing! Personally hope the DUP clean up.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 04, 2022, 12:07:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 04, 2022, 12:03:42 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 04, 2022, 11:56:19 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 04, 2022, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: pbat on May 04, 2022, 11:14:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.
The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.
Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate
I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.
A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP
This myth that voting SF/DUP to "keep the other out" needs banished once and for all. The executive/assembly needs cross community support to operate. SF need the DUP for stormont to function.
It is not a myth and you need only look at the DUP's mantra and probably main selling point at this stage- they are the only party who can stop a SF first minister. A SF first minister would be seismic. I think the likes of Allister and Bryson would combust.
It absolutely is a myth! SF could win 80 seats and the DUP 5 and they still couldn't form an assembly or an executive without Unionism nominating a deputy.
the biggest issue facing Stormont is if the Alliance manage to take more or as many seats as the DUP.
That would mean a possible rewriting of the St Andrews agreement and all that goes with that.
If SF do manage to take more seats than the DUP and the DUP refuse to form an executive for whatever spurious reason(s) i.e. protocol then Lewis is in a sticky position but he's a slippy bollox and will use it as leverage against the EU who should tell him to fúck off.
Quote from: trailer on May 04, 2022, 10:14:02 AM
This isn't a council election.
I get that for now they can say we're ambivalent to the Union or UI. But at some point they need to pick because what we need to be doing is preparing for a UI in the next 10 years. That means decisions on health and infrastructure and Education etc will need to orientate towards Dublin and not London. So for now to a point, yes they can stay "neutral" if supporting the status quo is neutral. But long term they need to pick a horse.
I agree with this. Preparation is required for a future border poll, and I'm not going to vote for a party that won't engage with the preparations. I said this to the candidate who called to my door (Eoin Tennyson in Upper Bann) - he'll get a third or fourth pref but not a first.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 12:11:28 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 04, 2022, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: pbat on May 04, 2022, 11:14:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.
The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.
Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate
I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.
A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP and the SDLP whilst having some good ministers in Stormont have a terrible leader.
Fixed that for you.
Thanks but last time I checked I could construct my own sentences, sound anyhow
Quote from: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 12:18:46 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 04, 2022, 12:07:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 04, 2022, 12:03:42 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 04, 2022, 11:56:19 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 04, 2022, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: pbat on May 04, 2022, 11:14:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.
The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.
Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate
I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.
A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP
This myth that voting SF/DUP to "keep the other out" needs banished once and for all. The executive/assembly needs cross community support to operate. SF need the DUP for stormont to function.
It is not a myth and you need only look at the DUP's mantra and probably main selling point at this stage- they are the only party who can stop a SF first minister. A SF first minister would be seismic. I think the likes of Allister and Bryson would combust.
It absolutely is a myth! SF could win 80 seats and the DUP 5 and they still couldn't form an assembly or an executive without Unionism nominating a deputy.
the biggest issue facing Stormont is if the Alliance manage to take more or as many seats as the DUP.
That would mean a possible rewriting of the St Andrews agreement and all that goes with that.
If SF do manage to take more seats than the DUP and the DUP refuse to form an executive for whatever spurious reason(s) i.e. protocol then Lewis is in a sticky position but he's a slippy bollox and will use it as leverage against the EU who should tell him to fúck off.
the north will do what they always do, vote for sectarianism and the status quo
that is what the vast majority there want so why be surprised when they reject change, it's obvious ::)
Quote from: general_lee on May 04, 2022, 12:18:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.
The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.
Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate
You say it like it's a bad thing! Personally hope the DUP clean up.
Haha ;D
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 04, 2022, 12:07:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 04, 2022, 12:03:42 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 04, 2022, 11:56:19 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 04, 2022, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: pbat on May 04, 2022, 11:14:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.
The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.
Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate
I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.
A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP
This myth that voting SF/DUP to "keep the other out" needs banished once and for all. The executive/assembly needs cross community support to operate. SF need the DUP for stormont to function.
It is not a myth and you need only look at the DUP's mantra and probably main selling point at this stage- they are the only party who can stop a SF first minister. A SF first minister would be seismic. I think the likes of Allister and Bryson would combust.
It absolutely is a myth! SF could win 80 seats and the DUP 5 and they still couldn't form an assembly or an executive without Unionism nominating a deputy.
Nothing to stop Alliance tactically designating as unionist and taking the DFM role if they somehow became second biggest party. Remember, the designated their MLAs as unionist for tactical reasons before, back in 2001.
Quote from: Snapchap on May 04, 2022, 12:42:22 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 04, 2022, 12:07:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 04, 2022, 12:03:42 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 04, 2022, 11:56:19 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 04, 2022, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: pbat on May 04, 2022, 11:14:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.
The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.
Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate
I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.
A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP
This myth that voting SF/DUP to "keep the other out" needs banished once and for all. The executive/assembly needs cross community support to operate. SF need the DUP for stormont to function.
It is not a myth and you need only look at the DUP's mantra and probably main selling point at this stage- they are the only party who can stop a SF first minister. A SF first minister would be seismic. I think the likes of Allister and Bryson would combust.
It absolutely is a myth! SF could win 80 seats and the DUP 5 and they still couldn't form an assembly or an executive without Unionism nominating a deputy.
Nothing to stop Alliance tactically designating as unionist and taking the DFM role if they somehow became second biggest party. Remember, the designated their MLAs as unionist for tactical reasons before, back in 2001.
That'd probably be the best thing that could happen. Naomi and Michelle would work well together imo with no bigots stuck in the way.
Whats the story with the Diane Forsythe thing?
Apparently there were a few compromising videos of her doppelganger partaking in some X Rated stuff doing the rounds. Obviously not her but clear to see the TUV election macihne was hard at work over the weekend.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 04, 2022, 11:39:27 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 04, 2022, 10:19:08 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 04, 2022, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 09:26:44 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 04, 2022, 09:06:48 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.
I think it is for the Alliance.
If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.
No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
100%
Yiz must be joking. A border poll, when it happens, will be the most seismic political event of our lifetimes. Nobody will be able to escape partaking in the debate once the referendum is called - least of all a political party. I don't think it's credible to think that a party will willingly sideline itself from involvement in the hottest political event in it's existence. If it is foolish enough to try sitting on the fence then it will be lambasted from every side, not just from one. In Britain, Labour tried to ride two horses at once with the Brexit referendum and made an embarrassment of themselves. For now, Alliance can sit on the fence today and insist that they are not concerned with hypothetical constitutional arrangements when the health/cost of living crises etc are what people want dealt with; which is well and good, but once a border poll is called then that excuse goes out the window. A referendum campaign when it happens, will be all people will be talking about and in such a climate, Alliance will be unable to pretend otherwise. Naomi Long already stated before at Féile and Phobail that in the event of a border poll, the party will campaign. She just wouldn't be drawn on what side they will campaign on.
EDIT
She's also said on twitter a number of times, that Alliance will take a side in the event of a referendum:
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074)
The important thing to remember is that if the referendum ever happens it will be stocked to the gills with people who haven't weighed it up at all. They will have decided many years before. There will be a decent spread of these idiots across both sides of the campaign.
Others will adopt an attitude something like this:
A) dispassionately weigh up the options at the time.
B) make a decision based upon the up to date analysis.
C) get on with doing their best for this place in the meantime.
D) recognise that should a UI be voted into existence that NI and power sharing will still be here and portraying everything about being firstly and maybe lastly about the constitutional question is to waste the potential of the place when we are all still have to live along side each other and share power the other side of such a referendum.
There are of course people who will bear the constitutional question first when considering who is going to make decisions about schools, swimming pools, roads, bus fares, health etc etc. But we shouldn't beat ourselves about that as there are stupid people everywhere.
Anyone who doesn't have EXACTLY the same priorities as you is 'stupid'
Have a word with yourself, you self-important buffoon
Quote from: Rois on May 04, 2022, 12:23:17 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 04, 2022, 10:14:02 AM
This isn't a council election.
I get that for now they can say we're ambivalent to the Union or UI. But at some point they need to pick because what we need to be doing is preparing for a UI in the next 10 years. That means decisions on health and infrastructure and Education etc will need to orientate towards Dublin and not London. So for now to a point, yes they can stay "neutral" if supporting the status quo is neutral. But long term they need to pick a horse.
I agree with this. Preparation is required for a future border poll, and I'm not going to vote for a party that won't engage with the preparations. I said this to the candidate who called to my door (Eoin Tennyson in Upper Bann) - he'll get a third or fourth pref but not a first.
Exactly, I said this a few weeks ago.
Alliance can't keep going on playing a defender and an attacker - it must pick one and go with it.
Quote from: Franko on May 04, 2022, 01:43:20 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 04, 2022, 11:39:27 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 04, 2022, 10:19:08 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 04, 2022, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 09:26:44 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 04, 2022, 09:06:48 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.
I think it is for the Alliance.
If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.
No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
100%
Yiz must be joking. A border poll, when it happens, will be the most seismic political event of our lifetimes. Nobody will be able to escape partaking in the debate once the referendum is called - least of all a political party. I don't think it's credible to think that a party will willingly sideline itself from involvement in the hottest political event in it's existence. If it is foolish enough to try sitting on the fence then it will be lambasted from every side, not just from one. In Britain, Labour tried to ride two horses at once with the Brexit referendum and made an embarrassment of themselves. For now, Alliance can sit on the fence today and insist that they are not concerned with hypothetical constitutional arrangements when the health/cost of living crises etc are what people want dealt with; which is well and good, but once a border poll is called then that excuse goes out the window. A referendum campaign when it happens, will be all people will be talking about and in such a climate, Alliance will be unable to pretend otherwise. Naomi Long already stated before at Féile and Phobail that in the event of a border poll, the party will campaign. She just wouldn't be drawn on what side they will campaign on.
EDIT
She's also said on twitter a number of times, that Alliance will take a side in the event of a referendum:
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074)
The important thing to remember is that if the referendum ever happens it will be stocked to the gills with people who haven't weighed it up at all. They will have decided many years before. There will be a decent spread of these idiots across both sides of the campaign.
Others will adopt an attitude something like this:
A) dispassionately weigh up the options at the time.
B) make a decision based upon the up to date analysis.
C) get on with doing their best for this place in the meantime.
D) recognise that should a UI be voted into existence that NI and power sharing will still be here and portraying everything about being firstly and maybe lastly about the constitutional question is to waste the potential of the place when we are all still have to live along side each other and share power the other side of such a referendum.
There are of course people who will bear the constitutional question first when considering who is going to make decisions about schools, swimming pools, roads, bus fares, health etc etc. But we shouldn't beat ourselves about that as there are stupid people everywhere.
Anyone who doesn't have EXACTLY the same priorities as you is 'stupid'
Have a word with yourself, you self-important buffoon
Either I did or I didn't say that anyone who did not have EXACTLY the same priorities as me was 'stupid'. Be very clear that I did not. Don't make things up.
What I did say was that it would be stupid to elect someone to a body that was going to oversee matters that would have an impact of the health, happiness, prosperity and security of all who I hold dear and wider society based upon their view on a different matter that the body was not going to decide. I am sorry that that needed explanation.
Anyway I have self important things to be getting on with.
My bet is there could be another election later on in the year.
Quote from: marty34 on May 04, 2022, 02:09:32 PM
Quote from: Rois on May 04, 2022, 12:23:17 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 04, 2022, 10:14:02 AM
This isn't a council election.
I get that for now they can say we're ambivalent to the Union or UI. But at some point they need to pick because what we need to be doing is preparing for a UI in the next 10 years. That means decisions on health and infrastructure and Education etc will need to orientate towards Dublin and not London. So for now to a point, yes they can stay "neutral" if supporting the status quo is neutral. But long term they need to pick a horse.
I agree with this. Preparation is required for a future border poll, and I'm not going to vote for a party that won't engage with the preparations. I said this to the candidate who called to my door (Eoin Tennyson in Upper Bann) - he'll get a third or fourth pref but not a first.
Exactly, I said this a few weeks ago.
Alliance can't keep going on playing a defender and an attacker - it must pick one and go with it.
Can you set out the steps your preferred candidate has taken to persuade the people of NI and RoI to vote for a UI?
Things would love to see:
Sinn Féin comfortably emerge as largest party
Alliance beat DUP into second (although when push comes to shove some of those TUV percentage points in polling will go back to DUP)
SDLP move up a few points on Eastwood winning both debates
The Nationalist vote exceeds the Unionist vote (as Irish News poll suggests it will)
The pro-Protocol vote comfortably beats the anti-Protocol vote and puts ERG, Frost, Boris, Rees Mogg, Hoey, Habib, Allister, Bryson, Donaldson, Merv, looney American preacher back in their box, if that is even possible.
As above pro-EU parties best pro-Brexit
Alliance transfers will be worth scrutinizing too - polls are suggesting those are skewing heavily nationalist/green. Voter base now only about 20% Unionist DNA.
All in all, will be an interesting weekend as results come through. Good luck to our fellow Gaels no matter what party you support.
Quote from: weareros on May 04, 2022, 02:20:34 PM
Things would love to see:
Sinn Féin comfortably emerge as largest party
likely
Quote from: wearerosAlliance beat DUP into second (although when push comes to shove some of those TUV percentage points in polling will go back to DUP)
not very likely
Quote from: wearerosSDLP move up a few points on Eastwood winning both debates
not very likely.
Quote from: wearerosThe Nationalist vote exceeds the Unionist vote (as Irish News poll suggests it will)
Not likely. Unionism will have a small majority over nationalism, but for the last time.
Quote from: wearerosThe pro-Protocol vote comfortably beats the anti-Protocol vote and puts ERG, Frost, Boris, Rees Mogg, Hoey, Habib, Allister, Bryson, Donaldson, Merv, looney American preacher back in their box, if that is even possible.
As above pro-EU parties best pro-Brexit
Pro protocol vote will be up, not that you will know that listening to Frost et al. or the Daily Mail.
Quote from: wearerosAlliance transfers will be worth scrutinizing too - polls are suggesting those are skewing heavily nationalist/green. Voter base now only about 20% Unionist DNA.
they will be on green side, to be sure
I'd like someone to publish what the A-Z of a United Ireland would look like. The economic case, funding, EU support, case studies of similar sized economies, provision/funding of public services, dealing with identity and how Unionists would be part of it and respected, anthem/flag/identity, the parliamentary arrangements, constitution etc etc.
It needs to be published in black and white so it can be debated and improved. I don't mean a conference here and there for Republicans, I mean a proper piece of work laid out for all to see nationally and internationally.
Quote from: Sportacus on May 04, 2022, 02:58:05 PM
I'd like someone to publish what the A-Z of a United Ireland would look like. The economic case, funding, EU support, case studies of similar sized economies, provision/funding of public services, dealing with identity and how Unionists would be part of it and respected, anthem/flag/identity, the parliamentary arrangements, constitution etc etc.
It needs to be published in black and white so it can be debated and improved. I don't mean a conference here and there for Republicans, I mean a proper piece of work laid out for all to see nationally and internationally.
Take a first stab at it there and we'll all weigh in afterwards :)
Quote from: balladmaker on May 04, 2022, 03:01:42 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on May 04, 2022, 02:58:05 PM
I'd like someone to publish what the A-Z of a United Ireland would look like. The economic case, funding, EU support, case studies of similar sized economies, provision/funding of public services, dealing with identity and how Unionists would be part of it and respected, anthem/flag/identity, the parliamentary arrangements, constitution etc etc.
It needs to be published in black and white so it can be debated and improved. I don't mean a conference here and there for Republicans, I mean a proper piece of work laid out for all to see nationally and internationally.
Take a first stab at it there and we'll all weigh in afterwards :)
How do these Go Fund Me pages work!
The crap yesterday in that debate about the health service was nauseating!! Why not copy a country that does it well and implement (as best you can with the budget you have available) the damn thing!!
Not one of them has a fecking clue in how to run a bath never mind the shit show that is the NHS...
If people want a proper NHS they'll have to pay for it with raised taxes.. Its a small place, how da f**k does it take so long for the basics?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 03:44:42 PM
The crap yesterday in that debate about the health service was nauseating!! Why not copy a country that does it well and implement (as best you can with the budget you have available) the damn thing!!
Not one of them has a fecking clue in how to run a bath never mind the shit show that is the NHS...
If people want a proper NHS they'll have to pay for it with raised taxes.. Its a small place, how da f**k does it take so long for the basics?
Health outcomes, waiting lists etc are much worse here than the rest of the UK so it can't all be funding
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 04, 2022, 03:46:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 03:44:42 PM
The crap yesterday in that debate about the health service was nauseating!! Why not copy a country that does it well and implement (as best you can with the budget you have available) the damn thing!!
Not one of them has a fecking clue in how to run a bath never mind the shit show that is the NHS...
If people want a proper NHS they'll have to pay for it with raised taxes.. Its a small place, how da f**k does it take so long for the basics?
Health outcomes, waiting lists etc are much worse here than the rest of the UK so it can't all be funding
There is a fairly simple root cause which is staffing issues. Other regions have similar issues but it is much worse here. Who in their right mind would want to work in the NHS in the North. Our doctors and nurses who train else outside the six counties have little to attract them back esp when you hear the shit show that went on during that debate last night and the night before.
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 04, 2022, 03:46:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 03:44:42 PM
The crap yesterday in that debate about the health service was nauseating!! Why not copy a country that does it well and implement (as best you can with the budget you have available) the damn thing!!
Not one of them has a fecking clue in how to run a bath never mind the shit show that is the NHS...
If people want a proper NHS they'll have to pay for it with raised taxes.. Its a small place, how da f**k does it take so long for the basics?
Health outcomes, waiting lists etc are much worse here than the rest of the UK so it can't all be funding
No thats why they need to copy a similar size population and ask them how are they getting it right? If it is funding then we'll have to stump up what is required. if its poor management of funds then they need to remove the balloons that are looking after it.. Someone dying on a street in Newry waiting on a ambulance is wrong, someone dying on a bed in a waiting hall in the hospital is wrong
Quote from: marty34 on May 04, 2022, 02:13:22 PM
My bet is there could be another election later on in the year.
and the same people will get voted in again
if a united ireland is voted for or near id expect loyalsits doing attacks inside the republic to make the south think twice if voting for it it
tho it could have the opposite effect of people saying we are not giving into terrorism
Does multi seat stv voting system make it only exciting about whos going to take the last one or two seats
Quote from: smelmoth on May 04, 2022, 02:11:52 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 04, 2022, 01:43:20 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 04, 2022, 11:39:27 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 04, 2022, 10:19:08 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 04, 2022, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 09:26:44 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 04, 2022, 09:06:48 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.
I think it is for the Alliance.
If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.
No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
100%
Yiz must be joking. A border poll, when it happens, will be the most seismic political event of our lifetimes. Nobody will be able to escape partaking in the debate once the referendum is called - least of all a political party. I don't think it's credible to think that a party will willingly sideline itself from involvement in the hottest political event in it's existence. If it is foolish enough to try sitting on the fence then it will be lambasted from every side, not just from one. In Britain, Labour tried to ride two horses at once with the Brexit referendum and made an embarrassment of themselves. For now, Alliance can sit on the fence today and insist that they are not concerned with hypothetical constitutional arrangements when the health/cost of living crises etc are what people want dealt with; which is well and good, but once a border poll is called then that excuse goes out the window. A referendum campaign when it happens, will be all people will be talking about and in such a climate, Alliance will be unable to pretend otherwise. Naomi Long already stated before at Féile and Phobail that in the event of a border poll, the party will campaign. She just wouldn't be drawn on what side they will campaign on.
EDIT
She's also said on twitter a number of times, that Alliance will take a side in the event of a referendum:
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074)
The important thing to remember is that if the referendum ever happens it will be stocked to the gills with people who haven't weighed it up at all. They will have decided many years before. There will be a decent spread of these idiots across both sides of the campaign.
Others will adopt an attitude something like this:
A) dispassionately weigh up the options at the time.
B) make a decision based upon the up to date analysis.
C) get on with doing their best for this place in the meantime.
D) recognise that should a UI be voted into existence that NI and power sharing will still be here and portraying everything about being firstly and maybe lastly about the constitutional question is to waste the potential of the place when we are all still have to live along side each other and share power the other side of such a referendum.
There are of course people who will bear the constitutional question first when considering who is going to make decisions about schools, swimming pools, roads, bus fares, health etc etc. But we shouldn't beat ourselves about that as there are stupid people everywhere.
Anyone who doesn't have EXACTLY the same priorities as you is 'stupid'
Have a word with yourself, you self-important buffoon
Either I did or I didn't say that anyone who did not have EXACTLY the same priorities as me was 'stupid'. Be very clear that I did not. Don't make things up.
What I did say was that it would be stupid to elect someone to a body that was going to oversee matters that would have an impact of the health, happiness, prosperity and security of all who I hold dear and wider society based upon their view on a different matter that the body was not going to decide. I am sorry that that needed explanation.
Anyway I have self important things to be getting on with.
Decent bit of reversing.
However, the position you've now reversed into doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.
Plenty of people elect politicians based on a mixture of personality and policy. IMO, to take their professed views on a lot of issues into account is a healthy thing - even if some of these bear no relevance to the activities they will undertake in the chamber. In the days when parties control the narrative more than ever, it can be the only differentiator.
Some people consider the constitutional question to be the biggest question (personally, I don't, but I would rank it higher than swimming pools ::)).
Some people think that the solutions to the problems in many of those other areas will flow from this.
For many, it's not possible to consider this dispassionately, due to family history / grief etc etc.
You may not agree with that, but the way to change their mind is certainly not to run around with your nose in the air calling them stupid.
Quote from: Franko on May 04, 2022, 04:55:39 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 04, 2022, 02:11:52 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 04, 2022, 01:43:20 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 04, 2022, 11:39:27 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 04, 2022, 10:19:08 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 04, 2022, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 09:26:44 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 04, 2022, 09:06:48 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.
I think it is for the Alliance.
If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.
No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
100%
Yiz must be joking. A border poll, when it happens, will be the most seismic political event of our lifetimes. Nobody will be able to escape partaking in the debate once the referendum is called - least of all a political party. I don't think it's credible to think that a party will willingly sideline itself from involvement in the hottest political event in it's existence. If it is foolish enough to try sitting on the fence then it will be lambasted from every side, not just from one. In Britain, Labour tried to ride two horses at once with the Brexit referendum and made an embarrassment of themselves. For now, Alliance can sit on the fence today and insist that they are not concerned with hypothetical constitutional arrangements when the health/cost of living crises etc are what people want dealt with; which is well and good, but once a border poll is called then that excuse goes out the window. A referendum campaign when it happens, will be all people will be talking about and in such a climate, Alliance will be unable to pretend otherwise. Naomi Long already stated before at Féile and Phobail that in the event of a border poll, the party will campaign. She just wouldn't be drawn on what side they will campaign on.
EDIT
She's also said on twitter a number of times, that Alliance will take a side in the event of a referendum:
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074)
The important thing to remember is that if the referendum ever happens it will be stocked to the gills with people who haven't weighed it up at all. They will have decided many years before. There will be a decent spread of these idiots across both sides of the campaign.
Others will adopt an attitude something like this:
A) dispassionately weigh up the options at the time.
B) make a decision based upon the up to date analysis.
C) get on with doing their best for this place in the meantime.
D) recognise that should a UI be voted into existence that NI and power sharing will still be here and portraying everything about being firstly and maybe lastly about the constitutional question is to waste the potential of the place when we are all still have to live along side each other and share power the other side of such a referendum.
There are of course people who will bear the constitutional question first when considering who is going to make decisions about schools, swimming pools, roads, bus fares, health etc etc. But we shouldn't beat ourselves about that as there are stupid people everywhere.
Anyone who doesn't have EXACTLY the same priorities as you is 'stupid'
Have a word with yourself, you self-important buffoon
Either I did or I didn't say that anyone who did not have EXACTLY the same priorities as me was 'stupid'. Be very clear that I did not. Don't make things up.
What I did say was that it would be stupid to elect someone to a body that was going to oversee matters that would have an impact of the health, happiness, prosperity and security of all who I hold dear and wider society based upon their view on a different matter that the body was not going to decide. I am sorry that that needed explanation.
Anyway I have self important things to be getting on with.
Decent bit of reversing.
However, the position you've now reversed into doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.
Plenty of people elect politicians based on a mixture of personality and policy. IMO, to take their professed views on a lot of issues into account is a healthy thing - even if some of these bear no relevance to the activities they will undertake in the chamber. In the days when parties control the narrative more than ever, it can be the only differentiator.
Some people consider the constitutional question to be the biggest question (personally, I don't, but I would rank it higher than swimming pools ::)).
Some people think that the solutions to the problems in many of those other areas will flow from this.
For many, it's not possible to consider this dispassionately, due to family history / grief etc etc.
You may not agree with that, but the way to change their mind is certainly not to run around with your nose in the air calling them stupid.
You've never queued for swimming lessons in Mid Ulster then.
Got the family membership - great job.
You should try it
Quote from: Eire90 on May 04, 2022, 04:12:54 PM
if a united ireland is voted for or near id expect loyalsits doing attacks inside the republic to make the south think twice if voting for it it
The days of a minority of planted supremists on this island dictating the terms are over.
Loyalist wouldn't venture to far out of Rathcoole or Portadown without the protection of the state that they had in the past, more likely to kill some young fella walking home near short strand.
So the Tories have shafted the DUP again.. On the night before the election you couldn't write it lol
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 04, 2022, 09:32:09 PM
So the Tories have shafted the DUP again.. On the night before the election you couldn't write it lol
Whats this Red
Quote from: delgany on May 04, 2022, 09:35:42 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 04, 2022, 09:32:09 PM
So the Tories have shafted the DUP again.. On the night before the election you couldn't write it lol
Whats this Red
" The British govt is signalling it's moving away from including plans allowing it to suspend part of the protocol in the Queen's speech next week."
Brits backing away from suspending protocol
Quote from: Franko on May 04, 2022, 05:21:29 PM
Got the family membership - great job.
You should try it
Does it include lessons?
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 04, 2022, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 04, 2022, 09:35:42 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 04, 2022, 09:32:09 PM
So the Tories have shafted the DUP again.. On the night before the election you couldn't write it lol
Whats this Red
" The British govt is signalling it's moving away from including plans allowing it to suspend part of the protocol in the Queen's speech next week."
Brits backing away from suspending protocol
What's that about?
Is that deliberately timed due to the election in England?
Quote from: red hander on May 04, 2022, 06:05:18 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 04, 2022, 04:12:54 PM
if a united ireland is voted for or near id expect loyalsits doing attacks inside the republic to make the south think twice if voting for it it
The days of a minority of planted supremists on this island dictating the terms are over.
Well said.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 04, 2022, 04:11:14 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 04, 2022, 02:13:22 PM
My bet is there could be another election later on in the year.
and the same people will get voted in again
and again and again and again ad infinitum
it's like the voters there are stupid or something :-[
Quote from: marty34 on May 04, 2022, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 04, 2022, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 04, 2022, 09:35:42 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 04, 2022, 09:32:09 PM
So the Tories have shafted the DUP again.. On the night before the election you couldn't write it lol
Whats this Red
" The British govt is signalling it's moving away from including plans allowing it to suspend part of the protocol in the Queen's speech next week."
Brits backing away from suspending protocol
What's that about?
Is that deliberately timed due to the election in England?
I think there are 2 things at play here.
1. They can't have her Maj making a speech containing a threat to break international law.
2. A well timed kick in the balls to the DUP for their hardball tactics when they held the balance of power in Westminster.
Get out and vote and vote right down the list.
Quote from: LeoMc on May 05, 2022, 08:03:42 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 04, 2022, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 04, 2022, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 04, 2022, 09:35:42 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 04, 2022, 09:32:09 PM
So the Tories have shafted the DUP again.. On the night before the election you couldn't write it lol
Whats this Red
" The British govt is signalling it's moving away from including plans allowing it to suspend part of the protocol in the Queen's speech next week."
Brits backing away from suspending protocol
What's that about?
Is that deliberately timed due to the election in England?
I think there are 2 things at play here.
1. They can't have her Maj making a speech containing a threat to break international law.
2. A well timed kick in the balls to the DUP for their hardball tactics when they held the balance of power in Westminster.
Get out and vote and vote right down the list.
Lewis got an unchallenged run on Peston to say that the unionist community don't support the protocol, I'd challenge that as the unionist community or indeed the nationalist community have never been asked and whatever opinion polls on the matter suggest the ordinary unionist voter isn't overly perturbed by it, more interested in more day to day events.
Can't be having political unionism having a veto over international law!
Quote from: LeoMc on May 05, 2022, 08:03:42 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 04, 2022, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 04, 2022, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 04, 2022, 09:35:42 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 04, 2022, 09:32:09 PM
So the Tories have shafted the DUP again.. On the night before the election you couldn't write it lol
Whats this Red
" The British govt is signalling it's moving away from including plans allowing it to suspend part of the protocol in the Queen's speech next week."
Brits backing away from suspending protocol
What's that about?
Is that deliberately timed due to the election in England?
I think there are 2 things at play here.
1. They can't have her Maj making a speech containing a threat to break international law.
2. A well timed kick in the balls to the DUP for their hardball tactics when they held the balance of power in Westminster.
Get out and vote and vote right down the list.
Vote early, vote often and vote right down the list!
Hammer the DUP into the ground.
Quote from: keep her low this half on May 05, 2022, 08:50:48 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on May 05, 2022, 08:03:42 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 04, 2022, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 04, 2022, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 04, 2022, 09:35:42 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 04, 2022, 09:32:09 PM
So the Tories have shafted the DUP again.. On the night before the election you couldn't write it lol
Whats this Red
" The British govt is signalling it's moving away from including plans allowing it to suspend part of the protocol in the Queen's speech next week."
Brits backing away from suspending protocol
What's that about?
Is that deliberately timed due to the election in England?
I think there are 2 things at play here.
1. They can't have her Maj making a speech containing a threat to break international law.
2. A well timed kick in the balls to the DUP for their hardball tactics when they held the balance of power in Westminster.
Get out and vote and vote right down the list.
Vote early, vote often and vote right down the list!
Hammer the DUP into the ground.
Yeah, hopefully the 'pro' protocol parties will be in a strong majority - when all added together tomorrow and it'll leave no doubt.
Quote from: keep her low this half on May 05, 2022, 08:50:48 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on May 05, 2022, 08:03:42 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 04, 2022, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 04, 2022, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 04, 2022, 09:35:42 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 04, 2022, 09:32:09 PM
So the Tories have shafted the DUP again.. On the night before the election you couldn't write it lol
Whats this Red
" The British govt is signalling it's moving away from including plans allowing it to suspend part of the protocol in the Queen's speech next week."
Brits backing away from suspending protocol
What's that about?
Is that deliberately timed due to the election in England?
I think there are 2 things at play here.
1. They can't have her Maj making a speech containing a threat to break international law.
2. A well timed kick in the balls to the DUP for their hardball tactics when they held the balance of power in Westminster.
Get out and vote and vote right down the list.
Vote early, vote often and vote right down the list!
Hammer the DUP into the ground.
Better leave DUPUDA and TUVUDA blank then. ;)
Polling station was busy earlier on.
This is big and the result could have far reaching implications
Quote from: Taylor on May 05, 2022, 11:51:01 AM
Polling station was busy earlier on.
This is big and the result could have far reaching implications
Like?
Headin to vote shortly. Explain why i should put a number in all boxes even the likes of DUP TUV etc someone please
Explain it like im 5
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 05, 2022, 11:52:26 AM
Headin to vote shortly. Explain why i should put a number in all boxes even the likes of DUP TUV etc someone please
Explain it like im 5
List your preferences down in order, but you don't necessarily have to give the DUP or TUV a preference at all - unless you have a major preference of one of the parties over the other.
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on May 05, 2022, 12:35:43 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 04, 2022, 04:11:14 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 04, 2022, 02:13:22 PM
My bet is there could be another election later on in the year.
and the same people will get voted in again
and again and again and again ad infinitum
it's like the voters there are stupid or something :-[
In your view who should everyone be voting for up here?
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 05, 2022, 11:52:26 AM
Headin to vote shortly. Explain why i should put a number in all boxes even the likes of DUP TUV etc someone please
Explain it like im 5
It's the 12th count. UUP and the DUP are neck and neck for the 5th seat in the constituency. At this stage they are distributing votes from higher up candidates who got over the line on the 11th count.
The candidate you voted for is home and dry long ago, but wo would you rather get the last seat? Who's the least worst option? That's where your 8th, 9th and 10th options come into play.
Ok. Explain to me like im 4
Lol. I jest. Just wanted to say that 😊
Cheers chaps
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 05, 2022, 12:11:22 PM
Ok. Explain to me like im 4
Lol. I jest. Just wanted to say that 😊
Cheers chaps
I gave a low low preference to the non-mccrea DUP candidate in midulster a few years ago because I knew it would come down to the 2 of them for the last seat. Mccrea lost to his party colleague by handful of votes and hasn't been seen since.
Transfers matter!! Vote as low as you can stomach.
Will do chap. Thanks. I will go all the way.
Im not flirting. Promise 😃
(Yer man rafferty has pulled out of midulster so no point puttin him in)
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 05, 2022, 12:16:23 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 05, 2022, 12:11:22 PM
Ok. Explain to me like im 4
Lol. I jest. Just wanted to say that 😊
Cheers chaps
I gave a low low preference to the non-mccrea DUP candidate in midulster a few years ago because I knew it would come down to the 2 of them for the last seat. Mccrea lost to his party colleague by handful of votes and hasn't been seen since.
Transfers matter!! Vote as low as you can stomach.
I have never understood the mathematics of the whole thing. I have never tried to understand it. But the McCrea anecdote will stay with me. If it did for that old duffer it's worth doing again
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 05, 2022, 12:16:23 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 05, 2022, 12:11:22 PM
Ok. Explain to me like im 4
Lol. I jest. Just wanted to say that 😊
Cheers chaps
I gave a low low preference to the non-mccrea DUP candidate in midulster a few years ago because I knew it would come down to the 2 of them for the last seat. Mccrea lost to his party colleague by handful of votes and hasn't been seen since.
Transfers matter!! Vote as low as you can stomach.
Now that is proper PR STV voting!!
The only conundrum is do you make TUV or DUP your last preference ;D
Pootsy is in my constituency and I would love to see him finished like McCrea there and I'm sure some in north belfast were the same with McCausland too.
Lads any SF voting as far down the ballot as DUP or TUV is deranged. The chances of your transferable vote at places 4 and higher actually deciding a election seat are tiny. 4 or 5 is the max anyone should be bothered to place votes.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 05, 2022, 12:16:23 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 05, 2022, 12:11:22 PM
Ok. Explain to me like im 4
Lol. I jest. Just wanted to say that 😊
Cheers chaps
I gave a low low preference to the non-mccrea DUP candidate in midulster a few years ago because I knew it would come down to the 2 of them for the last seat. Mccrea lost to his party colleague by handful of votes and hasn't been seen since.
Transfers matter!! Vote as low as you can stomach.
;D ;D
In my ward that leaves me with about 3 to vote for lol.. Its one cnut after another
Youngest daughters first time voting today, be interesting to see how that goes, I wonder will she put her A level politics head on or be influenced by her friends/family or environment
Who will you vote for?
At the NI Assembly Election on Thursday May 5th which political party are you voting for as first preference?
https://www.lucidtalk.co.uk/single-post/lt-ni-tracker-poll-april-2022
Quote from: trileacman on May 05, 2022, 12:59:48 PM
Lads any SF voting as far down the ballot as DUP or TUV is deranged. The chances of your transferable vote at places 4 and higher actually deciding a election seat are tiny. 4 or 5 is the max anyone should be bothered to place votes.
I've seen 16th preferences being transferred in my time.
I would respectfully sugges SFers should vote for their own, then SDLP, then any other nationalist parties e g Aontú, Alliance, Greens, Independents and the unionist they find least objectionable .
Blank the rest.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 05, 2022, 01:34:42 PM
Quote from: trileacman on May 05, 2022, 12:59:48 PM
Lads any SF voting as far down the ballot as DUP or TUV is deranged. The chances of your transferable vote at places 4 and higher actually deciding a election seat are tiny. 4 or 5 is the max anyone should be bothered to place votes.
I've seen 16th preferences being transferred in my time.
I would respectfully sugges SFers should vote for their own, then SDLP, then any other nationalist parties e g Aontú, Alliance, Greens, Independents and the unionist they find least objectionable .
Blank the rest.
he closest results on the final count were:
East Belfast: Robin Newton (DUP) beat David Douglas (also DUP) by 130.81
South Antrim: Pam Cameron (DUP) beat Trevor Clarke (also DUP) by 151.52
Strangford: Peter Weir (DUP) beat Joe Boyle (SDLP) by 225.29, the closest inter-party contest on the final count (but see below)
Fermanagh & South Tyrone: Seán Lynch (SF) beat Maurice Morrow (DUP) by 306
Lagan Valley: Pat Catney (SDLP) beat Brenda Hale (DUP) by 433.22
North Belfast: Carál Ní Chuilín (SF) beat Nuala McAllister (Alliance) by 556
There was an unusually large number of close calls in earlier counts in some constituencies,
In South Belfast, on the penultimate count Emma Little Pengelly (DUP) was only 25.24 votes behind Christopher Stalford (also DUP), and only 58.14 behind Michael Henderson (UUP). In the event Stalford won the seat and Henderson was runner-up.
In Fermanagh & South Tyrone, Richie McPhilips (SDLP) was eliminated on the second count due to a 62 vote difference with Sean Lynch (SF); he would probably have won Lynch's seat otherwise.
In Lagan Valley, Jenny Palmer was eliminated on the 6th count due to a 166.12 vote difference with Brenda Hale (DUP); had it been the other way round, Palmer would probably have won the seat that was actually taken by Pat Catney (SDLP).
In West Belfast, Alex Attwood (SDLP) was eliminated on the second count, 353 votes behind Frank McCoubrey (DUP) who went on to be the runner-up. Had the two been reversed, half of McCoubrey's transfers would have been sufficient to pull Attwood ahead of Pat Sheehan, the last elected SF candidate
I only went for 5 (SF 1 & 2, AP 3, Green Party 4, SDLP 5)
Ignored Aontú (Dolores Kelly is probably as bad) and all the Unionists, in hindsight probably should have gave Doug Beattie 6th preference.
Quote from: general_lee on May 05, 2022, 02:12:23 PM
I only went for 5 (SF 1 & 2, AP 3, Green Party 4, SDLP 5)
Ignored Aontú (Dolores Kelly is probably as bad) and all the Unionists, in hindsight probably should have gave Doug Beattie 6th preference.
Just out there half an hour ago, tried the "vote till you boke" process but really couldn't find it within myself to put anything beside any of the DUP or TUV candidates...
I did give Mike TV a preference, the auld horny divil..
Quote from: LeoMc on May 05, 2022, 08:03:42 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 04, 2022, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 04, 2022, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 04, 2022, 09:35:42 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 04, 2022, 09:32:09 PM
So the Tories have shafted the DUP again.. On the night before the election you couldn't write it lol
Whats this Red
" The British govt is signalling it's moving away from including plans allowing it to suspend part of the protocol in the Queen's speech next week."
Brits backing away from suspending protocol
What's that about?
Is that deliberately timed due to the election in England?
I think there are 2 things at play here.
1. They can't have her Maj making a speech containing a threat to break international law.
2. A well timed kick in the balls to the DUP for their hardball tactics when they held the balance of power in Westminster.
Get out and vote and vote right down the list.
I'd say three things, including a late night call to that balloon Liz Truss from the White House. Biden may be a shit President, but 1. He's better than the maniac he replaced, and 2. He has our back against perfidious albion.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 05, 2022, 03:07:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 05, 2022, 01:34:42 PM
Quote from: trileacman on May 05, 2022, 12:59:48 PM
Lads any SF voting as far down the ballot as DUP or TUV is deranged. The chances of your transferable vote at places 4 and higher actually deciding a election seat are tiny. 4 or 5 is the max anyone should be bothered to place votes.
I've seen 16th preferences being transferred in my time.
I would respectfully sugges SFers should vote for their own, then SDLP, then any other nationalist parties e g Aontú, Alliance, Greens, Independents and the unionist they find least objectionable .
Blank the rest.
In the 2019 NI local council elections, Sinn Fein's Ian Friary beat Alliance's Phillip Burnside in the Bannside DEA of Mid & East Antrim by 1.04 votes on the eighth count mainly thanks to four transfers from the two TUV candidates that were elected on the first count.
Every preference counts - in most cases the very low preferences won't matter, but when they do it's better for your ballot to still matter rather than have it prematurely exhaust and let someone else choose for you. As someone else said on this thread, "vote 'till ye boke!"
That's class.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 05, 2022, 03:10:57 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 05, 2022, 03:07:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 05, 2022, 01:34:42 PM
Quote from: trileacman on May 05, 2022, 12:59:48 PM
Lads any SF voting as far down the ballot as DUP or TUV is deranged. The chances of your transferable vote at places 4 and higher actually deciding a election seat are tiny. 4 or 5 is the max anyone should be bothered to place votes.
I've seen 16th preferences being transferred in my time.
I would respectfully sugges SFers should vote for their own, then SDLP, then any other nationalist parties e g Aontú, Alliance, Greens, Independents and the unionist they find least objectionable .
Blank the rest.
In the 2019 NI local council elections, Sinn Fein's Ian Friary beat Alliance's Phillip Burnside in the Bannside DEA of Mid & East Antrim by 1.04 votes on the eighth count mainly thanks to four transfers from the two TUV candidates that were elected on the first count.
Every preference counts - in most cases the very low preferences won't matter, but when they do it's better for your ballot to still matter rather than have it prematurely exhaust and let someone else choose for you. As someone else said on this thread, "vote 'till ye boke!"
That's class.
Immediately I am thinking who de feck is Ian Friary above all else
I never go past 4 on ballot
Quote from: armaghniac on May 05, 2022, 04:39:34 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 05, 2022, 04:25:28 PM
I never go past 4 on ballot
Which is nothing to be proud of
Why explain to me why I would give a vote in Derry City to anyone past 4 , I'd love you to explain to me, I've obviously being doing it wrong all these years
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 05, 2022, 05:47:24 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 05, 2022, 03:10:57 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 05, 2022, 03:07:24 PM
In the 2019 NI local council elections, Sinn Fein's Ian Friary beat Alliance's Phillip Burnside in the Bannside DEA of Mid & East Antrim by 1.04 votes on the eighth count mainly thanks to four transfers from the two TUV candidates that were elected on the first count.
Every preference counts - in most cases the very low preferences won't matter, but when they do it's better for your ballot to still matter rather than have it prematurely exhaust and let someone else choose for you. As someone else said on this thread, "vote 'till ye boke!"
That's class.
Working out how many voters transfer to whom can, if you don't mind a wee bit of maths, provide some interesting stats. For example in the 2014 EU elections in NI, about 450 voters gave a preference of either SF 1 & TUV 2 or SF 1 NI Conservatives 2 & TUV 3. :o
The first time I ever noticed this was in one of the European elections where some of Paisley's surplus ended up with the Sinn Fein candidate.
Quote from: general_lee on May 05, 2022, 02:12:23 PM
I only went for 5 (SF 1 & 2, AP 3, Green Party 4, SDLP 5)
Ignored Aontú (Dolores Kelly is probably as bad) and all the Unionists, in hindsight probably should have gave Doug Beattie 6th preference.
Green Party? Fk me!
Quote from: general_lee on May 05, 2022, 02:12:23 PM
I only went for 5 (SF 1 & 2, AP 3, Green Party 4, SDLP 5)
Ignored Aontú (Dolores Kelly is probably as bad) and all the Unionists, in hindsight probably should have gave Doug Beattie 6th preference.
So you will give a Unionist a vote before a republican. Very odd .
I went 1 Aontú 2 Ind republican McLaughlin 3. big durky SDLP as he's sound GAA man . 4 Green.
I struggled with green a bit on some of their policies I was tempted for wee Pádraig as he's sound but thought it better he learns hard way Shinners using him
Tyrone footballer Peter Harte giving his backing to Aontú.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 05, 2022, 05:55:22 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 05, 2022, 04:39:34 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 05, 2022, 04:25:28 PM
I never go past 4 on ballot
Which is nothing to be proud of
Why explain to me why I would give a vote in Derry City to anyone past 4 , I'd love you to explain to me, I've obviously being doing it wrong all these years
The first and most obvious is that there are 5 people elected in the constituency. In the last assembly election 2 of the 5 were elected on or after the 5th count.
Even if your 4 are already elected, their excess, of which you are a part, will go some way to determining who the 5th will be.
The indifference of any SF or SDLP voters who did not go down the ballot is in a small way responsible for Middleton getting in ahead of Eamon McCann on the 6th count.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 05, 2022, 06:25:43 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 05, 2022, 02:12:23 PM
I only went for 5 (SF 1 & 2, AP 3, Green Party 4, SDLP 5)
Ignored Aontú (Dolores Kelly is probably as bad) and all the Unionists, in hindsight probably should have gave Doug Beattie 6th preference.
So you will give a Unionist a vote before a republican. Very odd .
I went 1 Aontú 2 Ind republican McLaughlin 3. big durky SDLP as he's sound GAA man . 4 Green.
I struggled with green a bit on some of their policies
Are the Green polices as bad as TUV?
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 05, 2022, 06:32:21 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 05, 2022, 06:30:55 PM
Tyrone footballer Peter Harte giving his backing to Aontú.
Because like his former manager he's a gobshite
Bit like that womanising narcissistic joe brolly backing SF.
Quote from: LeoMc on May 05, 2022, 06:31:08 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 05, 2022, 05:55:22 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 05, 2022, 04:39:34 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 05, 2022, 04:25:28 PM
I never go past 4 on ballot
Which is nothing to be proud of
Why explain to me why I would give a vote in Derry City to anyone past 4 , I'd love you to explain to me, I've obviously being doing it wrong all these years
The first and most obvious is that there are 5 people elected in the constituency. In the last assembly election 2 of the 5 were elected on or after the 5th count.
Even if your 4 are already elected, their excess, of which you are a part, will go some way to determining who the 5th will be.
The indifference of any SF or SDLP voters who did not go down the ballot is in a small way responsible for Middleton getting in ahead of Eamon McCann on the 6th count.
I'd never want mc cann in. Never. Like Middleton he is not a nationalist and his party like DUP championed Brexit. Plus he shat on floor of Raytheon, sentiment was good but actually doing it lol, well.....naw thanks
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 05, 2022, 06:58:38 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 05, 2022, 05:55:22 PM
Why explain to me why I would give a vote in Derry City to anyone past 4 , I'd love you to explain to me, I've obviously being doing it wrong all these years
In an STV election, while the general advice is to vote in preference right down the card you should at the very least give a minimum amount of preferences based on the number of seats available in your electoral area, which in all cases for NI Assembly elections these days is five seats and therefore => 5 preferences.
By making four (or less) preferences, you essentially forfeit giving a choice to at least one seat in your constituency. If all your four preference votes are at a point in the count either elected or eliminated, your vote is "exhausted" and you no longer have any say as to whom takes the remaining seat(s) available. As you go down the list of preferences it can get more the case of whom you dislike less more than whom you prefer more - but it can still count especially if things get close for the last available seat.
How or whom you give a preference for is entirely up to you, but as I've said above - by giving less preferences than the amount of seats available among the candidates on the ballot, you are not using the full weight of your vote.
I'd rather it was discounted than help someone I don't like,
Think i managed to give 9, SF 3 obviously then went with Malone 4 and Aontu 5. Think Alliance after that then just whoever. Didnt give anything to UUP, TUV or dup
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 05, 2022, 07:04:45 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 05, 2022, 06:58:38 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 05, 2022, 05:55:22 PM
Why explain to me why I would give a vote in Derry City to anyone past 4 , I'd love you to explain to me, I've obviously being doing it wrong all these years
In an STV election, while the general advice is to vote in preference right down the card you should at the very least give a minimum amount of preferences based on the number of seats available in your electoral area, which in all cases for NI Assembly elections these days is five seats and therefore => 5 preferences.
By making four (or less) preferences, you essentially forfeit giving a choice to at least one seat in your constituency. If all your four preference votes are at a point in the count either elected or eliminated, your vote is "exhausted" and you no longer have any say as to whom takes the remaining seat(s) available. As you go down the list of preferences it can get more the case of whom you dislike less more than whom you prefer more - but it can still count especially if things get close for the last available seat.
How or whom you give a preference for is entirely up to you, but as I've said above - by giving less preferences than the amount of seats available among the candidates on the ballot, you are not using the full weight of your vote.
I'd rather it was discounted than help someone I don't like,
Who would you rather get in, someone you don't like or someone you hate?
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 05, 2022, 08:05:37 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 05, 2022, 07:04:45 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 05, 2022, 06:58:38 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 05, 2022, 05:55:22 PM
Why explain to me why I would give a vote in Derry City to anyone past 4 , I'd love you to explain to me, I've obviously being doing it wrong all these years
In an STV election, while the general advice is to vote in preference right down the card you should at the very least give a minimum amount of preferences based on the number of seats available in your electoral area, which in all cases for NI Assembly elections these days is five seats and therefore => 5 preferences.
By making four (or less) preferences, you essentially forfeit giving a choice to at least one seat in your constituency. If all your four preference votes are at a point in the count either elected or eliminated, your vote is "exhausted" and you no longer have any say as to whom takes the remaining seat(s) available. As you go down the list of preferences it can get more the case of whom you dislike less more than whom you prefer more - but it can still count especially if things get close for the last available seat.
How or whom you give a preference for is entirely up to you, but as I've said above - by giving less preferences than the amount of seats available among the candidates on the ballot, you are not using the full weight of your vote.
I'd rather it was discounted than help someone I don't like,
Who would you rather get in, someone you don't like or someone you hate?
One of the earliest lessons I got in life was never to use the word hate, I'd like to get the 4 i vote for and beyond that I'd lose interest, I'm not into unionism having no voice in a city where they are in a vast minority so I've no interest keeping them out
Fair
lots of voting zealots on here people can vote whatever way they want curtain twitchers probably keeoing record on whos voting and not.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 05, 2022, 08:40:14 PM
lots of voting zealots on here people can vote whatever way they want curtain twitchers probably keeoing record on whos voting and not.
Aye I've got a register here of who has and hasn't voted. Have you been yet yourself so I can get your record updated?
I would love to see the DUP fall behind the UUP.
Quote from: seafoid on May 05, 2022, 08:51:16 PM
I would love to see the DUP fall behind the UUP.
Never happen. It should but won't. The bogey men keeping DUP relevant
Turnout will be interesting.
Quote from: marty34 on May 05, 2022, 09:21:56 PM
Turnout will be interesting.
Noticed at ballot box station ( poster) in South Belfast , that over 620 out of 1015 had voted by 5pm and it was busy enough at 7pm !
Went 3x SF, Alliance, SDLP, Independent, Green, Antou, UUP
Think turnout sitting at 55%
I see Charlie Mc menamin who is one of Derrys main SF election agents saying he only voted 1,2 SF on twitter
Seems to be a poor turnout, that wont be good for the DUP.
Quote from: pbat on May 05, 2022, 09:56:02 PM
Seems to be a poor turnout, that wont be good for the DUP.
Why do you say that. Two former SF voters in my small office but said they would not be voting today
General commentary from the likes of Sam Mc Bride the last few weeks was that a low turnout would show that unionists stayed at home and be a disaster for the DUP - hope there is something till it.
NI average around 55% , with belfast having higher turn out than rural constituencies
Voted down the ballot. 1,2,3 SF, 4 McNulty, 5 UUP, 6 Alliance, 7 Green, 8 stickies, 9 Malone, 10 Aontu, 11 DUP, 12 TUV.
Why do we not do the big dramatic here's the exit poll everyone at 10.01 like the brits.
Saying the percentage is down all round
Quote from: WT4E on May 05, 2022, 10:44:12 PM
Why do we not do the big dramatic here's the exit poll everyone at 10.01 like the brits.
i actually dislike exit polls i think they are anti climatic people get their hopes up then its shattered in an instant if there party does not win i dont think we do exit polls for local elections anway.
Quote from: pbat on May 05, 2022, 10:10:50 PM
General commentary from the likes of Sam Mc Bride the last few weeks was that a low turnout would show that unionists stayed at home and be a disaster for the DUP - hope there is something till it.
Yeah that would be my take on it
DUP and SF will both end up with 25! DUP will gain a extra seat from someone who'll 'cross over' within 7 days rule
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 05, 2022, 11:04:47 PM
Quote from: pbat on May 05, 2022, 10:10:50 PM
General commentary from the likes of Sam Mc Bride the last few weeks was that a low turnout would show that unionists stayed at home and be a disaster for the DUP - hope there is something till it.
Yeah that would be my take on it
I'd think (hope) so too. In the not too distant past a low vote would have meant the middle ground voter has given up caring. I'm thinking that can't be the case now, not with the DUP primed for toppling.
Sf lose 2
Dup lose 6
If I hear protocol again I'll self combust !
What is their biggest fear of the protocol?
do hardcore and dissident republicans not recognise stormont
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 05, 2022, 11:17:07 PM
If I hear protocol again I'll self combust !
What is their biggest fear of the protocol?
That it might be resolved amicably and then they might have a few weeks of life with nothing to channel their ire towards.
are we just going to get months and months of talks after this and free meals for like of donaldon and o neill and nolan and crawley going on about it for months.
Mad if Derry the biggest remain vote vote in PBP
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 05, 2022, 11:48:46 PM
Mad if Derry the biggest remain vote vote in PBP
Especially given their pro Putin stance,
Quote from: armaghniac on May 06, 2022, 12:18:44 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 05, 2022, 11:48:46 PM
Mad if Derry the biggest remain vote vote in PBP
Especially given their pro Putin stance,
Yeah, like Ukrainian Azov Brigade Nazis aren't utter scum who killed 14000 Russians in Donbas before Putin decided to act, like Nato hasn't been impinging on Russian territory for the last few years in region, like Zelensky hasnt banned any democratic opposition over last few years. If you believe wests narrative about what's going on, you are a balloon. Only a few months ago they left Afghanistan in utter disgrace, having spent billions to replace the Taliban with the Taliban, and thousands have died. WISE THE f**k UP. The Russians might be bastards, but they're not the only ones.
what about the wagner nazis
Quote from: red hander on May 06, 2022, 03:09:45 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 06, 2022, 12:18:44 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 05, 2022, 11:48:46 PM
Mad if Derry the biggest remain vote vote in PBP
Especially given their pro Putin stance,
Yeah, like Ukrainian Azov Brigade Nazis aren't utter scum who killed 14000 Russians in Donbas before Putin decided to act, like Nato hasn't been impinging on Russian territory for the last few years in region, like Zelensky hasnt banned any democratic opposition over last few years. If you believe wests narrative about what's going on, you are a balloon. Only a few months ago they left Afghanistan in utter disgrace, having spent billions to replace the Taliban with the Taliban, and thousands have died. WISE THE f**k UP. The Russians might be bastards, but they're not the only ones.
Pretty sure Putin and Russia were up to their necks in it in Donbass long before you think they decided to act just like their little green men have been up to tricks all over the place. Plus it's only one country I know of on their state broadcaster that thinks it would be funny to drop a nuke on Ireland 'to get at ENgland'
What time do we expect first results?
Rostrevor, a traditional SDLP stronghold, is tallying 3 to 1 for SF.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 06, 2022, 09:05:27 AM
Rostrevor, a traditional SDLP stronghold, is tallying 3 to 1 for SF.
Where are you getting this info?
Edit: I thought counting started at 9.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 06, 2022, 09:05:27 AM
Rostrevor, a traditional SDLP stronghold, is tallying 3 to 1 for SF.
Jaysus. Hopefully replicated elsewhere! Wheres best for this sort of early info?
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 06, 2022, 09:22:07 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 06, 2022, 09:05:27 AM
Rostrevor, a traditional SDLP stronghold, is tallying 3 to 1 for SF.
Jaysus. Hopefully replicated elsewhere! Wheres best for this sort of early info?
Next Irish General Election on Twitter.
Ohhh god nolan talking about a possible other election later this year
Quote from: Eire90 on May 06, 2022, 09:29:07 AM
Ohhh god nolan talking about a possible other election later this year
Because him and his bf Jamie don't like what the outcome of this one is going to be?
Quote from: Eire90 on May 06, 2022, 09:29:07 AM
Ohhh god nolan talking about a possible other election later this year
Why would there be another election?
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 06, 2022, 09:32:44 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 06, 2022, 09:29:07 AM
Ohhh god nolan talking about a possible other election later this year
Because him and his bf Jamie don't like what the outcome of this one is going to be?
I said that yesterday!
They'll fluff about for a few months and there'll be another election.
That aside, key thing is is unionists can't stand equality. They can't take a nationalist fm. That's what this is all about.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Aontú polling well in West Belfast and close with PBP for the 5th seat.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 06, 2022, 09:22:07 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 06, 2022, 09:05:27 AM
Rostrevor, a traditional SDLP stronghold, is tallying 3 to 1 for SF.
Jaysus. Hopefully replicated elsewhere! Wheres best for this sort of early info?
Twitter! #AE22. A few party workers are posting pictures of box tallies.
TUV are doing very very well.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 06, 2022, 10:11:38 AM
TUV are doing very very well.
If this continues is there any chance of Alliance becoming the 2nd largest party?
Quote from: Eire90 on May 06, 2022, 09:29:07 AM
Ohhh god nolan talking about a possible other election later this year
Why ... just because the result today might not suit unionism?
Even if SF are the largest party by just 1 seat, it is seismic ... 'a Protestant State for a Protestant People' ... 101 years ago, May 1921, Unionism won 41 of 53 seats, SF and United Irish League won 6 each ... 101 years later, how things have changed. The direction of travel is already clear, and if it comes to pass, the optics of SF being the largest party will be the headline grabber around the world ... fingers crossed.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on May 06, 2022, 10:23:46 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 06, 2022, 10:11:38 AM
TUV are doing very very well.
If this continues is there any chance of Alliance becoming the 2nd largest party?
In terms of 1st preferences, yes.
In terms of seats, less likely. Transfers will carry the DUP into alot of 4th and 5th seats.
It would be great if TUV won a load of seats.
Predictions seem to be from 3 to 5 but some people who seem more clued in on it seem to reckon 3.
Quote from: marty34 on May 06, 2022, 09:42:46 AM
I said that yesterday!
They'll fluff about for a few months and there'll be another election.
That aside, key thing is is unionists can't stand equality. They can't take a nationalist fm. That's what this is all about.
Nothing more, nothing less.
100%. I said this in another thread a while back. The whole protocol thing from the DUP is a smokescreen to the real issue at the heart of this. Those within and who support the DUP and TUV simply cannot abide a Fenian about the place. That is their biggest problem and they are using the protocol to hide behind.
Pure and simple as that.
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 06, 2022, 09:32:44 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 06, 2022, 09:29:07 AM
Ohhh god nolan talking about a possible other election later this year
Because him and his bf Jamie don't like what the outcome of this one is going to be?
Did Jamie vote before he went to Glasgow yesterday or did he send in a postal vote I wonder?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 06, 2022, 10:41:21 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 06, 2022, 09:32:44 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 06, 2022, 09:29:07 AM
Ohhh god nolan talking about a possible other election later this year
Because him and his bf Jamie don't like what the outcome of this one is going to be?
Did Jamie vote before he went to Glasgow yesterday or did he send in a postal vote I wonder?
Sure he's out voting today lol
Newry and Armagh early indications of 3 SF, Malone plus TUV which would be absolutely perfect.
Did Bryson run?
If not he should STFU. Nolan is a worse gimp for giving him oxygen.
LOL at all his knuckle draggin supporters out today looking for polling stations today....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FR3M632XsAAYWmz?format=jpg&name=small)
:D ;D :D ;D
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on May 06, 2022, 11:13:28 AM
Did Bryson run?
If not he should STFU. Nolan is a worse gimp for giving him oxygen.
LOL at all his knuckle draggin supporters out today looking for polling stations today....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FR3M632XsAAYWmz?format=jpg&name=small)
That's the level that Nolan loves!! That guy can't even get his dates right, it shows you the level of intelligence that follow or engage with this clampit, cut off is media supply and he'll drift off, any nationalist that follows him on twitter should delete their following of him, as it only gives him a bigger platform
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on May 06, 2022, 11:13:28 AM
Did Bryson run?
If not he should STFU. Nolan is a worse gimp for giving him oxygen.
LOL at all his knuckle draggin supporters out today looking for polling stations today....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FR3M632XsAAYWmz?format=jpg&name=small)
Jamie's voting strategy is from the Tony Fearon Hotel Booking school of thought....
One of the counting is being carried out at UUJ, can you just call in or is it invited people only? 5 minute walk from the house, wouldn't mind seeing the sht show unfold for some lol
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 06, 2022, 11:28:42 AM
One of the counting is being carried out at UUJ, can you just call in or is it invited people only? 5 minute walk from the house, wouldn't mind seeing the sht show unfold for some lol
You need a pass. I think each candidate gets 6(?) Which they hand out to their supporters. So there's them plus press, officials etc.
Noicola seems to be in trouble in NB, according to twitter sources.
Early days though and too early to say.
I actually thought she should have been more prominent in the debates than Eastwood, who wasn't even standing.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 06, 2022, 11:28:42 AM
One of the counting is being carried out at UUJ, can you just call in or is it invited people only? 5 minute walk from the house, wouldn't mind seeing the sht show unfold for some lol
Tell them yer kind of a big deal on the Gaaboard that should get ye in 😃
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 06, 2022, 11:47:04 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 06, 2022, 11:28:42 AM
One of the counting is being carried out at UUJ, can you just call in or is it invited people only? 5 minute walk from the house, wouldn't mind seeing the sht show unfold for some lol
Tell them yer kind of a big deal on the Gaaboard that should get ye in 😃
I'll mention that ;D
Ah I'll just take the dogs down then for a nosey
Quote from: marty34 on May 06, 2022, 11:41:26 AM
Noicola seems to be in trouble in NB, according to twitter sources.
Early days though and too early to say.
I actually thought she should have been more prominent in the debates than Eastwood, who wasn't even standing.
Funny after voting yesterday evening a few friends came down to our house and we were talking about who we voted for. Nicola was 4th or 5th on all our ballot papers. SDLP have run a very poor campaign and by focusing on attacking SF instead of running a positive campaign they have suffered a back lash. I suspect Justin McNulty might be in diffs too. Eastwood may have run his course.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 06, 2022, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 06, 2022, 11:47:04 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 06, 2022, 11:28:42 AM
One of the counting is being carried out at UUJ, can you just call in or is it invited people only? 5 minute walk from the house, wouldn't mind seeing the sht show unfold for some lol
Tell them yer kind of a big deal on the Gaaboard that should get ye in 😃
I'll mention that ;D
Ah I'll just take the dogs down then for a nosey
Dogs at polling stations being replaced by dogs at counting stations!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 06, 2022, 11:54:58 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 06, 2022, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 06, 2022, 11:47:04 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 06, 2022, 11:28:42 AM
One of the counting is being carried out at UUJ, can you just call in or is it invited people only? 5 minute walk from the house, wouldn't mind seeing the sht show unfold for some lol
Tell them yer kind of a big deal on the Gaaboard that should get ye in 😃
I'll mention that ;D
Ah I'll just take the dogs down then for a nosey
Dogs at polling stations being replaced by dogs at counting stations!
Was expecting more at the polling station in respects to flegs and rival parties torturing people going in and asking who ya voted or on the way out like in the past, wasn't the same, I didn't even see a peeler
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 06, 2022, 11:54:24 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 06, 2022, 11:41:26 AM
Noicola seems to be in trouble in NB, according to twitter sources.
Early days though and too early to say.
I actually thought she should have been more prominent in the debates than Eastwood, who wasn't even standing.
Funny after voting yesterday evening a few friends came down to our house and we were talking about who we voted for. Nicola was 4th or 5th on all our ballot papers. SDLP have run a very poor campaign and by focusing on attacking SF instead of running a positive campaign they have suffered a back lash. I suspect Justin McNulty might be in diffs too. Eastwood may have run his course.
In reality, there's no difference between SDLP and Alliance.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 06, 2022, 12:02:33 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 06, 2022, 11:54:58 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 06, 2022, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 06, 2022, 11:47:04 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 06, 2022, 11:28:42 AM
One of the counting is being carried out at UUJ, can you just call in or is it invited people only? 5 minute walk from the house, wouldn't mind seeing the sht show unfold for some lol
Tell them yer kind of a big deal on the Gaaboard that should get ye in 😃
I'll mention that ;D
Ah I'll just take the dogs down then for a nosey
Dogs at polling stations being replaced by dogs at counting stations!
Was expecting more at the polling station in respects to flegs and rival parties torturing people going in and asking who ya voted or on the way out like in the past, wasn't the same, I didn't even see a peeler
Not allowed to. They have to be very careful how many people are around the country place.
Quote from: marty34 on May 06, 2022, 12:04:23 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 06, 2022, 11:54:24 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 06, 2022, 11:41:26 AM
Noicola seems to be in trouble in NB, according to twitter sources.
Early days though and too early to say.
I actually thought she should have been more prominent in the debates than Eastwood, who wasn't even standing.
Funny after voting yesterday evening a few friends came down to our house and we were talking about who we voted for. Nicola was 4th or 5th on all our ballot papers. SDLP have run a very poor campaign and by focusing on attacking SF instead of running a positive campaign they have suffered a back lash. I suspect Justin McNulty might be in diffs too. Eastwood may have run his course.
In reality, there's no difference between SDLP and Alliance.
Agreed
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 06, 2022, 11:54:24 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 06, 2022, 11:41:26 AM
Noicola seems to be in trouble in NB, according to twitter sources.
Early days though and too early to say.
I actually thought she should have been more prominent in the debates than Eastwood, who wasn't even standing.
Funny after voting yesterday evening a few friends came down to our house and we were talking about who we voted for. Nicola was 4th or 5th on all our ballot papers. SDLP have run a very poor campaign and by focusing on attacking SF instead of running a positive campaign they have suffered a back lash. I suspect Justin McNulty might be in diffs too. Eastwood may have run his course.
Would you not look at someone who is a minister and incumbent MLA and judge them on that (good or bad) as opposed to what Colum Eastwood has said, or the general tone of the SDLP campaign. Are people not voting Mallon to punish Eastwood for example ?
Quote from: marty34 on May 06, 2022, 12:04:23 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 06, 2022, 11:54:24 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 06, 2022, 11:41:26 AM
Noicola seems to be in trouble in NB, according to twitter sources.
Early days though and too early to say.
I actually thought she should have been more prominent in the debates than Eastwood, who wasn't even standing.
Funny after voting yesterday evening a few friends came down to our house and we were talking about who we voted for. Nicola was 4th or 5th on all our ballot papers. SDLP have run a very poor campaign and by focusing on attacking SF instead of running a positive campaign they have suffered a back lash. I suspect Justin McNulty might be in diffs too. Eastwood may have run his course.
In reality, there's no difference between SDLP and Alliance.
Long vs Eastwood....I know who I believe to be the more credible politician.
SDLP make such a big deal about being anti-SF that its nearly impossible for a SF voter to transfer a vote to them.
It's a shame Alliance cant get into First/deputy first minister roles as they don't designate as unionist/nationalist. If they finished up being the 2nd largest party above DUP, they couldn't get DFM post unless they designate as unionist (assuming SF are the largest party).
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 06, 2022, 12:02:33 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 06, 2022, 11:54:58 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 06, 2022, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 06, 2022, 11:47:04 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 06, 2022, 11:28:42 AM
One of the counting is being carried out at UUJ, can you just call in or is it invited people only? 5 minute walk from the house, wouldn't mind seeing the sht show unfold for some lol
Tell them yer kind of a big deal on the Gaaboard that should get ye in 😃
I'll mention that ;D
Ah I'll just take the dogs down then for a nosey
Dogs at polling stations being replaced by dogs at counting stations!
Was expecting more at the polling station in respects to flegs and rival parties torturing people going in and asking who ya voted or on the way out like in the past, wasn't the same, I didn't even see a peeler
SF where the only ones outside when my other half went to vote then when I went later on in the day SF and Alliance outside
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 06, 2022, 12:10:21 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 06, 2022, 12:04:23 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 06, 2022, 11:54:24 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 06, 2022, 11:41:26 AM
Noicola seems to be in trouble in NB, according to twitter sources.
Early days though and too early to say.
I actually thought she should have been more prominent in the debates than Eastwood, who wasn't even standing.
Funny after voting yesterday evening a few friends came down to our house and we were talking about who we voted for. Nicola was 4th or 5th on all our ballot papers. SDLP have run a very poor campaign and by focusing on attacking SF instead of running a positive campaign they have suffered a back lash. I suspect Justin McNulty might be in diffs too. Eastwood may have run his course.
In reality, there's no difference between SDLP and Alliance.
Long vs Eastwood....I know who I believe to be the more credible politician.
SDLP make such a big deal about being anti-SF that its nearly impossible for a SF voter to transfer a vote to them.
It's a shame Alliance cant get into First/deputy first minister roles as they don't designate as unionist/nationalist. If they finished up being the 2nd largest party above DUP, they couldn't get DFM post unless they designate as unionist (assuming SF are the largest party).
The other way would be if 'neutral' voters outweigh unionist votes then 'neutral' becomes the second largest denomination and they can put forward a deputy first minister
Quote from: Nanderson on May 06, 2022, 12:17:03 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 06, 2022, 12:10:21 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 06, 2022, 12:04:23 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 06, 2022, 11:54:24 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 06, 2022, 11:41:26 AM
Noicola seems to be in trouble in NB, according to twitter sources.
Early days though and too early to say.
I actually thought she should have been more prominent in the debates than Eastwood, who wasn't even standing.
Funny after voting yesterday evening a few friends came down to our house and we were talking about who we voted for. Nicola was 4th or 5th on all our ballot papers. SDLP have run a very poor campaign and by focusing on attacking SF instead of running a positive campaign they have suffered a back lash. I suspect Justin McNulty might be in diffs too. Eastwood may have run his course.
In reality, there's no difference between SDLP and Alliance.
Long vs Eastwood....I know who I believe to be the more credible politician.
SDLP make such a big deal about being anti-SF that its nearly impossible for a SF voter to transfer a vote to them.
It's a shame Alliance cant get into First/deputy first minister roles as they don't designate as unionist/nationalist. If they finished up being the 2nd largest party above DUP, they couldn't get DFM post unless they designate as unionist (assuming SF are the largest party).
The other way would be if 'neutral' voters outweigh unionist votes then 'neutral' becomes the second largest denomination and they can put forward a deputy first minister
Yeah this needs to happen
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 06, 2022, 12:08:59 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 06, 2022, 11:54:24 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 06, 2022, 11:41:26 AM
Noicola seems to be in trouble in NB, according to twitter sources.
Early days though and too early to say.
I actually thought she should have been more prominent in the debates than Eastwood, who wasn't even standing.
Funny after voting yesterday evening a few friends came down to our house and we were talking about who we voted for. Nicola was 4th or 5th on all our ballot papers. SDLP have run a very poor campaign and by focusing on attacking SF instead of running a positive campaign they have suffered a back lash. I suspect Justin McNulty might be in diffs too. Eastwood may have run his course.
Would you not look at someone who is a minister and incumbent MLA and judge them on that (good or bad) as opposed to what Colum Eastwood has said, or the general tone of the SDLP campaign. Are people not voting Mallon to punish Eastwood for example ?
We still voted for Mallon but further down the ballot that maybe she would have. Have been disappointed with SDLP as a whole and gave the votes to people who came to the door and addressed questions that we had. This was from the Greens and Alliance party.
A lot of commentators on social media were raving about Eastwoods performance on both tv debates.
Does this suggest the debates are completely irrelevant or are people either voting for SF to merely beat DUP or thinking Alliance is the better alternative ?
Not a good day so far for the SDLP. As some have said (and as I've been saying for weeks) their tactic of attacking SF at every turn was just astonishingly naïve. SF voters should have been low hanging fruit for SDLP transfers but Colum Eastwood's strategy seemed to have been to turn SF voters off giving his party a transfer. Absolute lunacy. I've no doubt that them canvassing alongside a constant stream of FG/FG/Lab TDs did nothing to endear them to nationalist/republican voters. There's a healthy cynicism (to put it mildly) in northern nationalism for FF/FG/Lab TD's and their use/abuse of the north when it suits them and on social media it was fairly plain to be seen that parading a succession of these TDs around the doorsteps was another deeply misguided strategy. It'll be a major kick in the teeth for them to lose Nicola Mallon if that's how it turns out but I suspect their biggest cold sweat will be at the seeming collapse of their vote in South Down - one of their two traditional strongholds. Makes you suspect that they have another problem specific to that constituency - my own guess being that people in the area have been turned off by their former SDLP MP Margaret Richie now sitting in the house of lords and calling herself Barroness Ritchie.
Elsewhere, SF look like they will come through relatively happy - looking good to hold two seats in Foyle where many predicted a loss. Stephen Donnelly of Alliance seemingly polling well in West Tyrone which could come at the expense of SF's third seat, that of Maolíosa McHugh.
Quote from: Nanderson on May 06, 2022, 12:17:03 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 06, 2022, 12:10:21 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 06, 2022, 12:04:23 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 06, 2022, 11:54:24 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 06, 2022, 11:41:26 AM
Noicola seems to be in trouble in NB, according to twitter sources.
Early days though and too early to say.
I actually thought she should have been more prominent in the debates than Eastwood, who wasn't even standing.
Funny after voting yesterday evening a few friends came down to our house and we were talking about who we voted for. Nicola was 4th or 5th on all our ballot papers. SDLP have run a very poor campaign and by focusing on attacking SF instead of running a positive campaign they have suffered a back lash. I suspect Justin McNulty might be in diffs too. Eastwood may have run his course.
In reality, there's no difference between SDLP and Alliance.
Long vs Eastwood....I know who I believe to be the more credible politician.
SDLP make such a big deal about being anti-SF that its nearly impossible for a SF voter to transfer a vote to them.
It's a shame Alliance cant get into First/deputy first minister roles as they don't designate as unionist/nationalist. If they finished up being the 2nd largest party above DUP, they couldn't get DFM post unless they designate as unionist (assuming SF are the largest party).
The other way would be if 'neutral' voters outweigh unionist votes then 'neutral' becomes the second largest denomination and they can put forward a deputy first minister
I like that idea. It would probably require a change to the GFA legislation though.
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 12:33:51 PM
Not a good day so far for the SDLP. As some have said (and as I've been saying for weeks) their tactic of attacking SF at every turn was just astonishingly naïve. SF voters should have been low hanging fruit for SDLP transfers but Colum Eastwood's strategy seemed to have been to turn SF voters off giving his party a transfer. Absolute lunacy. I've no doubt that them canvassing alongside a constant stream of FG/FG/Lab TDs did nothing to endear them to nationalist/republican voters. There's a healthy cynicism (to put it mildly) in northern nationalism for FF/FG/Lab TD's and their use/abuse of the north when it suits them and on social media it was fairly plain to be seen that parading a succession of these TDs around the doorsteps was another deeply misguided strategy. It'll be a major kick in the teeth for them to lose Nicola Mallon if that's how it turns out but I suspect their biggest cold sweat will be at the seeming collapse of their vote in South Down - one of their two traditional strongholds. Makes you suspect that they have another problem specific to that constituency - my own guess being that people in the area have been turned off by their former SDLP MP Margaret Richie now sitting in the house of lords and calling herself Barroness Ritchie.
Elsewhere, SF look like they will come through relatively happy - looking good to hold two seats in Foyle where many predicted a loss. Stephen Donnelly of Alliance seemingly polling well in West Tyrone which could come at the expense of SF's third seat, that of Maolíosa McHugh.
Would be great for them to hold 3 in Newry and Armagh. Agree totally re the SDLP. If they'd put the olive branch out and try to work alongside SF instead of trying to attack them at every turn I would have given McNulty a transfer higher up, as it was I think he was one of my last preferences.
Some big names looking in big trouble:
SDLP's only minister, Nicola Mallon (SDLP)
Former DUP Education Minister, Peter Weir (DUP)
Former UUP Leader, Mike Nesbitt (UUP)
Green Party Leader, Clare Bailey
Believe it or not reports that the BBC NI's darling, UUP leader Doug Beattie, is polling very badly in Upper Bann. That being said, I'd be very surprised if he doesn't get in.
Quote from: whitegoodman on May 06, 2022, 12:30:53 PM
A lot of commentators on social media were raving about Eastwoods performance on both tv debates.
Does this suggest the debates are completely irrelevant or are people either voting for SF to merely beat DUP or thinking Alliance is the better alternative ?
I think that's a big part of it ... SF are within touching distance of being the first nationalist First Minister, that allure is enough to have small 'n' nationalists give them their vote on this occasion.
The debates happen in the few days up to election when it's nearly too late. People have their mind made up by then. Tbh these things should be regular.
Or SDLP got more votes last time out and were 'overpriced'. They got extra votes/transfers from unionists which they didn't get this time.
Plus the FF, FG and Labour etc. all canvassing for them - really mixed political messages.
Doug Beattie at risk of losing his seat.. bit of a surprise there
Quote from: marty34 on May 06, 2022, 01:14:58 PM
Or SDLP got more votes last time out and were 'overpriced'. They got extra votes/transfers from unionists which they didn't get this time.
Plus the FF, FG and Labour etc. all canvassing for them - really mixed political messages.
Yeah possible too.
Wish they'd hurry up and announce something
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 12:57:42 PM
Some big names looking in big trouble:
SDLP's only minister, Nicola Mallon (SDLP)
Former DUP Education Minister, Peter Weir (DUP)
Former UUP Leader, Mike Nesbitt (UUP)
Green Party Leader, Clare Bailey
Believe it or not reports that the BBC NI's darling, UUP leader Doug Beattie, is polling very badly in Upper Bann. That being said, I'd be very surprised if he doesn't get in.
Delores Kelly (SDLP) looks to be well and truly gone in Upper Bann.
Five seats available and so far John O'Dowd (SF) is comfortably topping the poll with two DUP candidate, one Alliance candidate and a second SF candidate all polling stronger than Doug Beattie, and Dolores languishing way behind.
Doug looks like he will be relying on transfers at this rate.
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 12:33:51 PM
Not a good day so far for the SDLP. As some have said (and as I've been saying for weeks) their tactic of attacking SF at every turn was just astonishingly naïve. SF voters should have been low hanging fruit for SDLP transfers but Colum Eastwood's strategy seemed to have been to turn SF voters off giving his party a transfer. Absolute lunacy. I've no doubt that them canvassing alongside a constant stream of FG/FG/Lab TDs did nothing to endear them to nationalist/republican voters. There's a healthy cynicism (to put it mildly) in northern nationalism for FF/FG/Lab TD's and their use/abuse of the north when it suits them and on social media it was fairly plain to be seen that parading a succession of these TDs around the doorsteps was another deeply misguided strategy. It'll be a major kick in the teeth for them to lose Nicola Mallon if that's how it turns out but I suspect their biggest cold sweat will be at the seeming collapse of their vote in South Down - one of their two traditional strongholds. Makes you suspect that they have another problem specific to that constituency - my own guess being that people in the area have been turned off by their former SDLP MP Margaret Richie now sitting in the house of lords and calling herself Barroness Ritchie.
Elsewhere, SF look like they will come through relatively happy - looking good to hold two seats in Foyle where many predicted a loss. Stephen Donnelly of Alliance seemingly polling well in West Tyrone which could come at the expense of SF's third seat, that of Maolíosa McHugh.
I think South Down is an interesting one. SDLP support seems to have fallen off a cliff. Im not so sure its about Baroness Ritchie more a total collapse of the grassroots of the party in the constituency. A lot of the older candidates retired off and no ready younger replacements with any sort of profile. Added to that some bad decisions in candidate selections and vote management have damaged the SDLP badly.
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 06, 2022, 01:31:37 PM
Doug Beattie at risk of losing his seat.. bit of a surprise there
If the UUP can't get votes this time there's no point in them tbh. There's enough in the hardline unionist space.
SDLP have only themselves to blame
They stand for nothing and 'but Sinn Fein' is their one and only response
The Derry balloon on here (before he became an Aontu man) was a prime exponent of this.
Ironically, Mallon does seem to be a quite capable Minister. She is paying for her association to the broken record that is Eastwood though
Yer guy O'Toole also seems to be on his game
Any word on how Dr McCloskey's ex party are performing?
Quote from: grounded on May 06, 2022, 01:34:52 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 12:33:51 PM
Not a good day so far for the SDLP. As some have said (and as I've been saying for weeks) their tactic of attacking SF at every turn was just astonishingly naïve. SF voters should have been low hanging fruit for SDLP transfers but Colum Eastwood's strategy seemed to have been to turn SF voters off giving his party a transfer. Absolute lunacy. I've no doubt that them canvassing alongside a constant stream of FG/FG/Lab TDs did nothing to endear them to nationalist/republican voters. There's a healthy cynicism (to put it mildly) in northern nationalism for FF/FG/Lab TD's and their use/abuse of the north when it suits them and on social media it was fairly plain to be seen that parading a succession of these TDs around the doorsteps was another deeply misguided strategy. It'll be a major kick in the teeth for them to lose Nicola Mallon if that's how it turns out but I suspect their biggest cold sweat will be at the seeming collapse of their vote in South Down - one of their two traditional strongholds. Makes you suspect that they have another problem specific to that constituency - my own guess being that people in the area have been turned off by their former SDLP MP Margaret Richie now sitting in the house of lords and calling herself Barroness Ritchie.
Elsewhere, SF look like they will come through relatively happy - looking good to hold two seats in Foyle where many predicted a loss. Stephen Donnelly of Alliance seemingly polling well in West Tyrone which could come at the expense of SF's third seat, that of Maolíosa McHugh.
I think South Down is an interesting one. SDLP support seems to have fallen off a cliff. Im not so sure its about Baroness Ritchie more a total collapse of the grassroots of the party in the constituency. A lot of the older candidates retired off and no ready younger replacements with any sort of profile. Added to that some bad decisions in candidate selections and vote management have damaged the SDLP badly.
I've never understood the whole SDLP stronghold on South Down.. Hasn't been that way in 20 years if you go by election results, yes they returned 2 but was always late in the day with transfers. SDLP just are a nothing party, Eastwood coming out and saying voters have lent their votes to SF to return a Nationalist FM just further supports the arguement that he's a head in the sky twit
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 06, 2022, 01:51:01 PM
Quote from: grounded on May 06, 2022, 01:34:52 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 12:33:51 PM
Not a good day so far for the SDLP. As some have said (and as I've been saying for weeks) their tactic of attacking SF at every turn was just astonishingly naïve. SF voters should have been low hanging fruit for SDLP transfers but Colum Eastwood's strategy seemed to have been to turn SF voters off giving his party a transfer. Absolute lunacy. I've no doubt that them canvassing alongside a constant stream of FG/FG/Lab TDs did nothing to endear them to nationalist/republican voters. There's a healthy cynicism (to put it mildly) in northern nationalism for FF/FG/Lab TD's and their use/abuse of the north when it suits them and on social media it was fairly plain to be seen that parading a succession of these TDs around the doorsteps was another deeply misguided strategy. It'll be a major kick in the teeth for them to lose Nicola Mallon if that's how it turns out but I suspect their biggest cold sweat will be at the seeming collapse of their vote in South Down - one of their two traditional strongholds. Makes you suspect that they have another problem specific to that constituency - my own guess being that people in the area have been turned off by their former SDLP MP Margaret Richie now sitting in the house of lords and calling herself Barroness Ritchie.
Elsewhere, SF look like they will come through relatively happy - looking good to hold two seats in Foyle where many predicted a loss. Stephen Donnelly of Alliance seemingly polling well in West Tyrone which could come at the expense of SF's third seat, that of Maolíosa McHugh.
I think South Down is an interesting one. SDLP support seems to have fallen off a cliff. Im not so sure its about Baroness Ritchie more a total collapse of the grassroots of the party in the constituency. A lot of the older candidates retired off and no ready younger replacements with any sort of profile. Added to that some bad decisions in candidate selections and vote management have damaged the SDLP badly.
I've never understood the whole SDLP stronghold on South Down.. Hasn't been that way in 20 years if you go by election results, yes they returned 2 but was always late in the day with transfers. SDLP just are a nothing party, Eastwood coming out and saying voters have lent their votes to SF to return a Nationalist FM just further supports the arguement that he's a head in the sky twit
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
The guy is just so clueless
He's now blaming his pathetic election results on SF
For the sake of the SDLP in the first instance, and nationalism in-general, he needs to be gone ASAP
Interesting. Dolores Kelly is toast on these figures, Doug Beattie could struggle to hold his seat. Sinn Fein vote management could have been better. Diane Dodds also potentially struggling.
Tallies from one party (not the UUP) for Upper Bann:
O'Dowd, SF 17.1%
Buckley, DUP 14.7%
Tennyson, AP 14.7%
Mackle, SF 11.1%
Dodds, DUP 10.5%
Beattie, UUP 10.1%
Foster, TUV 7.1%
Barr, UUP 6.8%
Kelly, SDLP 5.8%
Quote from: Franko on May 06, 2022, 02:12:22 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 06, 2022, 01:51:01 PM
Quote from: grounded on May 06, 2022, 01:34:52 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 12:33:51 PM
Not a good day so far for the SDLP. As some have said (and as I've been saying for weeks) their tactic of attacking SF at every turn was just astonishingly naïve. SF voters should have been low hanging fruit for SDLP transfers but Colum Eastwood's strategy seemed to have been to turn SF voters off giving his party a transfer. Absolute lunacy. I've no doubt that them canvassing alongside a constant stream of FG/FG/Lab TDs did nothing to endear them to nationalist/republican voters. There's a healthy cynicism (to put it mildly) in northern nationalism for FF/FG/Lab TD's and their use/abuse of the north when it suits them and on social media it was fairly plain to be seen that parading a succession of these TDs around the doorsteps was another deeply misguided strategy. It'll be a major kick in the teeth for them to lose Nicola Mallon if that's how it turns out but I suspect their biggest cold sweat will be at the seeming collapse of their vote in South Down - one of their two traditional strongholds. Makes you suspect that they have another problem specific to that constituency - my own guess being that people in the area have been turned off by their former SDLP MP Margaret Richie now sitting in the house of lords and calling herself Barroness Ritchie.
Elsewhere, SF look like they will come through relatively happy - looking good to hold two seats in Foyle where many predicted a loss. Stephen Donnelly of Alliance seemingly polling well in West Tyrone which could come at the expense of SF's third seat, that of Maolíosa McHugh.
I think South Down is an interesting one. SDLP support seems to have fallen off a cliff. Im not so sure its about Baroness Ritchie more a total collapse of the grassroots of the party in the constituency. A lot of the older candidates retired off and no ready younger replacements with any sort of profile. Added to that some bad decisions in candidate selections and vote management have damaged the SDLP badly.
I've never understood the whole SDLP stronghold on South Down.. Hasn't been that way in 20 years if you go by election results, yes they returned 2 but was always late in the day with transfers. SDLP just are a nothing party, Eastwood coming out and saying voters have lent their votes to SF to return a Nationalist FM just further supports the arguement that he's a head in the sky twit
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
The guy is just so clueless
He's now blaming his pathetic election results on SF
For the sake of the SDLP in the first instance, and nationalism in-general, he needs to be gone ASAP
Is that not what some posters have said here ?!
I don't buy into the narrative of SDLP voters lending their votes to SF just to topple the DUP. More chance of SDLP voters choosing to vote Alliance.
As for the TV debates, it doesn't matter how shiny and impressive Eastwood was when it comes to the ballot. He'll be trying his best to play it down, but it's a huge blow for the SDLP and no more than they deserve.
Don't understand the animus towards the SDLP from 'nationalists' on this board, most of their representatives seem thoroughly decent sorts.
Quote from: grounded on May 06, 2022, 01:34:52 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 12:33:51 PM
Not a good day so far for the SDLP. As some have said (and as I've been saying for weeks) their tactic of attacking SF at every turn was just astonishingly naïve. SF voters should have been low hanging fruit for SDLP transfers but Colum Eastwood's strategy seemed to have been to turn SF voters off giving his party a transfer. Absolute lunacy. I've no doubt that them canvassing alongside a constant stream of FG/FG/Lab TDs did nothing to endear them to nationalist/republican voters. There's a healthy cynicism (to put it mildly) in northern nationalism for FF/FG/Lab TD's and their use/abuse of the north when it suits them and on social media it was fairly plain to be seen that parading a succession of these TDs around the doorsteps was another deeply misguided strategy. It'll be a major kick in the teeth for them to lose Nicola Mallon if that's how it turns out but I suspect their biggest cold sweat will be at the seeming collapse of their vote in South Down - one of their two traditional strongholds. Makes you suspect that they have another problem specific to that constituency - my own guess being that people in the area have been turned off by their former SDLP MP Margaret Richie now sitting in the house of lords and calling herself Barroness Ritchie.
Elsewhere, SF look like they will come through relatively happy - looking good to hold two seats in Foyle where many predicted a loss. Stephen Donnelly of Alliance seemingly polling well in West Tyrone which could come at the expense of SF's third seat, that of Maolíosa McHugh.
I think South Down is an interesting one. SDLP support seems to have fallen off a cliff. Im not so sure its about Baroness Ritchie more a total collapse of the grassroots of the party in the constituency. A lot of the older candidates retired off and no ready younger replacements with any sort of profile. Added to that some bad decisions in candidate selections and vote management have damaged the SDLP badly.
It was only a matter of time. Ritchie got unionist votes in WM elections to keep Ruane out. When SF moved her on their vote shot up and the SDLP are finished there too. Didn't do enough when they were in and Eastwood has been a disaster. They've been on life support since voting McDonnell as leader. I can't see them getting going again.
There's probably something in people giving them the vote to get the FM position but it's been coming for a while.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 06, 2022, 03:00:46 PM
Don't understand the animus towards the SDLP from 'nationalists' on this board, most of their representatives seem thoroughly decent sorts.
This. I'd be giving them a vote ahead of Sinn Fein that's for sure.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 06, 2022, 02:21:22 PM
Interesting. Dolores Kelly is toast on these figures, Doug Beattie could struggle to hold his seat. Sinn Fein vote management could have been better. Diane Dodds also potentially struggling.
Tallies from one party (not the UUP) for Upper Bann:
O'Dowd, SF 17.1%
Buckley, DUP 14.7%
Tennyson, AP 14.7%
Mackle, SF 11.1%
Dodds, DUP 10.5%
Beattie, UUP 10.1%
Foster, TUV 7.1%
Barr, UUP 6.8%
Kelly, SDLP 5.8%
Kelly is gone, Beattie will do OK when his UU colleague is eliminated. Dodds is on a sticky wicket, but it depends how the TUV transfers go.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 06, 2022, 03:00:46 PM
Don't understand the animus towards the SDLP from 'nationalists' on this board, most of their representatives seem thoroughly decent sorts.
A lot of Shinners would rather a unionist gets in than a SDLP person. Had the original formula in the GFA for First Minister been used rather than the biggest party thing then they might be more interested in promoting nationalism.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 06, 2022, 03:00:46 PM
Don't understand the animus towards the SDLP from 'nationalists' on this board, most of their representatives seem thoroughly decent sorts.
The centenary celebration attendance was what forced Mc Nulty way down the ballot for me and having Jack Chambers with him around South Armagh last week didn't sit well with me either.
I have time for Mallon, Hanna and O'Toole and would like to see one of them oust Eastwood and grow the SDLP again.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 06, 2022, 03:00:46 PM
Don't understand the animus towards the SDLP from 'nationalists' on this board, most of their representatives seem thoroughly decent sorts.
It's about politics, not personalities. They may have "decent" people in their ranks (you could say that for most parties at the end of the day), but politically, they are naïve, rudderless, bitter, lacking identity - and their claims to be actively working for Irish unity are dubious at best (remember their attendance at the partition centenary shindig?). Add to that their leaders decision to tie his party to FF under the leadership of Micheal Martin - one of the most bitterly partitionist figures in southern politics - and you get the picture.
Quote from: balladmaker on May 06, 2022, 01:08:33 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on May 06, 2022, 12:30:53 PM
A lot of commentators on social media were raving about Eastwoods performance on both tv debates.
Does this suggest the debates are completely irrelevant or are people either voting for SF to merely beat DUP or thinking Alliance is the better alternative ?
I think that's a big part of it ... SF are within touching distance of being the first nationalist First Minister, that allure is enough to have small 'n' nationalists give them their vote on this occasion.
It's about being the largest party for the first time, that's where the symbolism lies. SF spent years trying to get away from the "deputy" in deputy First Minister sure.
Quote from: tintin25 on May 06, 2022, 03:07:35 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 06, 2022, 03:00:46 PM
Don't understand the animus towards the SDLP from 'nationalists' on this board, most of their representatives seem thoroughly decent sorts.
This. I'd be giving them a vote ahead of Sinn Fein that's for sure.
To be fair there's plenty of animosity for SF on here as well. People will have differing views on different parties.
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 06, 2022, 02:31:29 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 06, 2022, 02:12:22 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 06, 2022, 01:51:01 PM
Quote from: grounded on May 06, 2022, 01:34:52 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 12:33:51 PM
Not a good day so far for the SDLP. As some have said (and as I've been saying for weeks) their tactic of attacking SF at every turn was just astonishingly naïve. SF voters should have been low hanging fruit for SDLP transfers but Colum Eastwood's strategy seemed to have been to turn SF voters off giving his party a transfer. Absolute lunacy. I've no doubt that them canvassing alongside a constant stream of FG/FG/Lab TDs did nothing to endear them to nationalist/republican voters. There's a healthy cynicism (to put it mildly) in northern nationalism for FF/FG/Lab TD's and their use/abuse of the north when it suits them and on social media it was fairly plain to be seen that parading a succession of these TDs around the doorsteps was another deeply misguided strategy. It'll be a major kick in the teeth for them to lose Nicola Mallon if that's how it turns out but I suspect their biggest cold sweat will be at the seeming collapse of their vote in South Down - one of their two traditional strongholds. Makes you suspect that they have another problem specific to that constituency - my own guess being that people in the area have been turned off by their former SDLP MP Margaret Richie now sitting in the house of lords and calling herself Barroness Ritchie.
Elsewhere, SF look like they will come through relatively happy - looking good to hold two seats in Foyle where many predicted a loss. Stephen Donnelly of Alliance seemingly polling well in West Tyrone which could come at the expense of SF's third seat, that of Maolíosa McHugh.
I think South Down is an interesting one. SDLP support seems to have fallen off a cliff. Im not so sure its about Baroness Ritchie more a total collapse of the grassroots of the party in the constituency. A lot of the older candidates retired off and no ready younger replacements with any sort of profile. Added to that some bad decisions in candidate selections and vote management have damaged the SDLP badly.
I've never understood the whole SDLP stronghold on South Down.. Hasn't been that way in 20 years if you go by election results, yes they returned 2 but was always late in the day with transfers. SDLP just are a nothing party, Eastwood coming out and saying voters have lent their votes to SF to return a Nationalist FM just further supports the arguement that he's a head in the sky twit
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
The guy is just so clueless
He's now blaming his pathetic election results on SF
For the sake of the SDLP in the first instance, and nationalism in-general, he needs to be gone ASAP
Is that not what some posters have said here ?!
Possibly have.
To the best of my knowledge, none of them are the leader of the SDLP though
Early predictions for West Tyrone about SF possibly losing one of it's three seats seem unfounded - in fact all three SF candidates are now polling better than the SDLP's sole candidate, Daniel McCrossan.
Enda McClafferty on the BBC now suggesting that SF could very possibly return the same number of seats (27) - no losses - something absolutely NOBODY predicted. Would be a remarkable result if that happened, given that the 2017 vote was regarded as a one off high for SF given the climate of "crocodiles" and RHI etc.
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 03:34:54 PM
Early predictions for West Tyrone about SF possibly losing one of it's three seats seem unfounded - in fact all three SF candidates are now polling better than the SDLP's sole candidate, Daniel McCrossan.
Enda McClafferty on the BBC now suggesting that SF could very possibly return the same number of seats (27) - no losses - something absolutely NOBODY predicted. Would be a remarkable result if that happened, given that the 2017 vote was regarded as a one off high for SF given the climate of "crocodiles" and RHI etc.
Great stuff. Where are you getting this info any good website?
Quote from: armaghniac on May 06, 2022, 03:08:31 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 06, 2022, 02:21:22 PM
Interesting. Dolores Kelly is toast on these figures, Doug Beattie could struggle to hold his seat. Sinn Fein vote management could have been better. Diane Dodds also potentially struggling.
Tallies from one party (not the UUP) for Upper Bann:
O'Dowd, SF 17.1%
Buckley, DUP 14.7%
Tennyson, AP 14.7%
Mackle, SF 11.1%
Dodds, DUP 10.5%
Beattie, UUP 10.1%
Foster, TUV 7.1%
Barr, UUP 6.8%
Kelly, SDLP 5.8%
Kelly is gone, Beattie will do OK when his UU colleague is eliminated. Dodds is on a sticky wicket, but it depends how the TUV transfers go.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 06, 2022, 03:00:46 PM
Don't understand the animus towards the SDLP from 'nationalists' on this board, most of their representatives seem thoroughly decent sorts.
A lot of Shinners would rather a unionist gets in than a SDLP person. Had the original formula in the GFA for First Minister been used rather than the biggest party thing then they might be more interested in promoting nationalism.
Don't agree with this at all. More SDLP fake victimhood
I am not happy about their demise - and said only earlier today that for the good of nationalism, the SDLP could do with being stronger.
However, they need to own this
They have some good operators, but their leader is a weak as dish water, one trick pony
I would enjoy a good laugh at being lectured by someone from the SDLP about promoting nationalism - when their entire political careers seem to be devoted solely to attacking the largest nationalist party
Quote from: pbat on May 06, 2022, 03:09:15 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 06, 2022, 03:00:46 PM
Don't understand the animus towards the SDLP from 'nationalists' on this board, most of their representatives seem thoroughly decent sorts.
The centenary celebration attendance was what forced Mc Nulty way down the ballot for me and having Jack Chambers with him around South Armagh last week didn't sit well with me either.
I have time for Mallon, Hanna and O'Toole and would like to see one of them oust Eastwood and grow the SDLP again.
Exactly this.
**Also have time for Cara Hunter ;)
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 06, 2022, 03:36:00 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 03:34:54 PM
Early predictions for West Tyrone about SF possibly losing one of it's three seats seem unfounded - in fact all three SF candidates are now polling better than the SDLP's sole candidate, Daniel McCrossan.
Enda McClafferty on the BBC now suggesting that SF could very possibly return the same number of seats (27) - no losses - something absolutely NOBODY predicted. Would be a remarkable result if that happened, given that the 2017 vote was regarded as a one off high for SF given the climate of "crocodiles" and RHI etc.
Great stuff. Where are you getting this info any good website?
Mixture of sources - BBC coverage on TV, twitter, and the Fermanagh Herald have a live blog of updates focusing mainly on Fermanagh-South Tyrone/West Tyrone/Mid-Ulster https://fermanaghherald.com/2022/05/live-election-blog-2022/ (https://fermanaghherald.com/2022/05/live-election-blog-2022/)
Latest from West Tyrone is that Nicola Brogan (SF) will be imminently deemed elected and her two running mates are safe. Daniel McCrossan behind the three SFers but is looking safe too.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 06, 2022, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on May 06, 2022, 03:07:35 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 06, 2022, 03:00:46 PM
Don't understand the animus towards the SDLP from 'nationalists' on this board, most of their representatives seem thoroughly decent sorts.
This. I'd be giving them a vote ahead of Sinn Fein that's for sure.
To be fair there's plenty of animosity for SF on here as well. People will have differing views on different parties.
The candidates all seem decent but what is it the party represents? As loads of ones on here have said the constant sf bashing is off putting. It's not "shinnerbots" saying that.
Literally EVERY prediction I seen for the past few weeks said SF would lose in the region of 2-4 seats. In actual fact, their vote appears to have grown. BBC suggesting the could keep all their seats, with some muttering that they could even gain one or two. To keep 27 seats would be remarkable. To gain even one more? That would be absolutely astonishing.
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 03:34:54 PM
Early predictions for West Tyrone about SF possibly losing one of it's three seats seem unfounded - in fact all three SF candidates are now polling better than the SDLP's sole candidate, Daniel McCrossan.
Enda McClafferty on the BBC now suggesting that SF could very possibly return the same number of seats (27) - no losses - something absolutely NOBODY predicted. Would be a remarkable result if that happened, given that the 2017 vote was regarded as a one off high for SF given the climate of "crocodiles" and RHI etc.
Would you not say, as others have said, the conditions here were fertile again. First nationalist FM in touching distance ?
Could Alliance get 2 in East Belfast? Would be something to take a Unionist seat there.
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 06, 2022, 03:46:41 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 03:34:54 PM
Early predictions for West Tyrone about SF possibly losing one of it's three seats seem unfounded - in fact all three SF candidates are now polling better than the SDLP's sole candidate, Daniel McCrossan.
Enda McClafferty on the BBC now suggesting that SF could very possibly return the same number of seats (27) - no losses - something absolutely NOBODY predicted. Would be a remarkable result if that happened, given that the 2017 vote was regarded as a one off high for SF given the climate of "crocodiles" and RHI etc.
Would you not say, as others have said, the conditions here were fertile again. First nationalist FM in touching distance ?
Possibly the case. No doubt it was a factor but the campaign in 2017 was much more exciting/eventful/heated and literally nobody (even with the FM debate in the background) predicted anything other than losses for SF on the back of what was seen as a freakishly strong 2017 result. They still might not return with 27 but there's a real chance now that they
could return with
at least 27.
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 03:54:26 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 06, 2022, 03:46:41 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 03:34:54 PM
Early predictions for West Tyrone about SF possibly losing one of it's three seats seem unfounded - in fact all three SF candidates are now polling better than the SDLP's sole candidate, Daniel McCrossan.
Enda McClafferty on the BBC now suggesting that SF could very possibly return the same number of seats (27) - no losses - something absolutely NOBODY predicted. Would be a remarkable result if that happened, given that the 2017 vote was regarded as a one off high for SF given the climate of "crocodiles" and RHI etc.
Would you not say, as others have said, the conditions here were fertile again. First nationalist FM in touching distance ?
Possibly the case. No doubt it was a factor but the campaign in 2017 was much more exciting/eventful/heated and literally nobody (even with the FM debate in the background) predicted anything other than losses for SF on the back of what was seen as a freakishly strong 2017 result. They still might not return with 27 but there's a real chance now that they could return with at least 27.
Said it all along we'll be going really well to hold 3 in Newry and Armagh given Malone is a near cert imo! Rumours that he'll take McNulty's seat rather than a Shinner though
I'm no fan of Eastwood but what part of his SF bashing is wrong. Yes the bullets have stopped but wtf have SF done to improve things for nationalists in the North. Plenty of our towns are worse than they've ever been with investment n job. At local level they are in cahoots with the DUP where one relies on the other. This year I decided to vote Green. Sick of the status quo.
Quote from: Franko on May 06, 2022, 03:40:03 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 06, 2022, 03:08:31 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 06, 2022, 02:21:22 PM
Interesting. Dolores Kelly is toast on these figures, Doug Beattie could struggle to hold his seat. Sinn Fein vote management could have been better. Diane Dodds also potentially struggling.
Tallies from one party (not the UUP) for Upper Bann:
O'Dowd, SF 17.1%
Buckley, DUP 14.7%
Tennyson, AP 14.7%
Mackle, SF 11.1%
Dodds, DUP 10.5%
Beattie, UUP 10.1%
Foster, TUV 7.1%
Barr, UUP 6.8%
Kelly, SDLP 5.8%
Kelly is gone, Beattie will do OK when his UU colleague is eliminated. Dodds is on a sticky wicket, but it depends how the TUV transfers go.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 06, 2022, 03:00:46 PM
Don't understand the animus towards the SDLP from 'nationalists' on this board, most of their representatives seem thoroughly decent sorts.
A lot of Shinners would rather a unionist gets in than a SDLP person. Had the original formula in the GFA for First Minister been used rather than the biggest party thing then they might be more interested in promoting nationalism.
Don't agree with this at all. More SDLP fake victimhood
I am not happy about their demise - and said only earlier today that for the good of nationalism, the SDLP could do with being stronger.
However, they need to own this
They have some good operators, but their leader is a weak as dish water, one trick pony
I would enjoy a good laugh at being lectured by someone from the SDLP about promoting nationalism - when their entire political careers seem to be devoted solely to attacking the largest nationalist party
1. They need to stand for something - having FF, FG and Labour up canvassing for them sends what sort of message? A mixed up message. Their daliances with political parties in the 26 counties the same.
2. Eastwood - Getting Brexit done, full of himself. Going to Armagh for the birthday party.
3. No difference between then and Alliance.
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 03:46:16 PM
Literally EVERY prediction I seen for the past few weeks said SF would lose in the region of 2-4 seats. In actual fact, their vote appears to have grown. BBC suggesting the could keep all their seats, with some muttering that they could even gain one or two. To keep 27 seats would be remarkable. To gain even one more? That would be absolutely astonishing.
I agree but story will be the Alliance 'surge'.
SF played a very savvy campaign. Didn't rock the boat or do anything like a 'crocodile moment'.
In fairness, their vote management is first class.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 06, 2022, 03:58:01 PM
I'm no fan of Eastwood but what part of his SF bashing is wrong. Yes the bullets have stopped but wtf have SF done to improve things for nationalists in the North. Plenty of our towns are worse than they've ever been with investment n job. At local level they are in cahoots with the DUP where one relies on the other. This year I decided to vote Green. Sick of the status quo.
You couldn't have made a better case for the weakness of Eastwood's SDLP.
You - as a nationalist who is very unhappy with SF - decided to vote for the GreensRightly or wrongly - the impression that I get from the SDLP is that they have nothing to offer except to look at what SF are doing and shout about how bad it is.
You said it yourself, that a lot of the woes of this place could be laid at the door of the SF/DUP duopoly - and there is truth in that IMO
But Eastwood directs most (if not all) of his ire towards SF
Then, in the ultimate irony alert, it is suggested that we shouldn't mention this, as we should be promoting nationalism ::)
Quote from: marty34 on May 06, 2022, 04:04:38 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 03:46:16 PM
Literally EVERY prediction I seen for the past few weeks said SF would lose in the region of 2-4 seats. In actual fact, their vote appears to have grown. BBC suggesting the could keep all their seats, with some muttering that they could even gain one or two. To keep 27 seats would be remarkable. To gain even one more? That would be absolutely astonishing.
I agree but story will be the Alliance 'surge'.
SF played a very savvy campaign. Didn't rock the boat or do anything like a 'crocodile moment'.
In fairness, their vote management is first class.
Question on STV.
After the first preferences are counted and someone gets over the quota, are the excess votes (in theory) then shared out between those second on those ballots as a proportion of their total votes?
E.g.
Donaldson gets 12k first preference votes, quota is 7K so he's 5K of transfers.
Of his 12K first preferences 80% go to Givan, would that mean 4K votes go to Givan??
Or is there something else at play?
Quote from: johnnycool on May 06, 2022, 04:15:07 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 06, 2022, 04:04:38 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 03:46:16 PM
Literally EVERY prediction I seen for the past few weeks said SF would lose in the region of 2-4 seats. In actual fact, their vote appears to have grown. BBC suggesting the could keep all their seats, with some muttering that they could even gain one or two. To keep 27 seats would be remarkable. To gain even one more? That would be absolutely astonishing.
I agree but story will be the Alliance 'surge'.
SF played a very savvy campaign. Didn't rock the boat or do anything like a 'crocodile moment'.
In fairness, their vote management is first class.
Question on STV.
After the first preferences are counted and someone gets over the quota, are the excess votes (in theory) then shared out between those second on those ballots as a proportion of their total votes?
E.g.
Donaldson gets 12k first preference votes, quota is 7K so he's 5K of transfers.
Of his 12K first preferences 80% go to Givan, would that mean 4K votes go to Givan??
Or is there something else at play?
In the North they count all of the second votes and allocate 5/12 of them as transfers.
In the South they sample 5/12 of the votes and allocate these as transfers (which is potentially less accurate).
There is talk that if the DUP and SF were to finish level Alex Easton would realign with the DUP to get them over the line.
Would Gavin Malone do like wise for SF if it was required?
Sf win 2 in NB. How many had they before?
Quote from: johnnycool on May 06, 2022, 04:15:07 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 06, 2022, 04:04:38 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 03:46:16 PM
Literally EVERY prediction I seen for the past few weeks said SF would lose in the region of 2-4 seats. In actual fact, their vote appears to have grown. BBC suggesting the could keep all their seats, with some muttering that they could even gain one or two. To keep 27 seats would be remarkable. To gain even one more? That would be absolutely astonishing.
I agree but story will be the Alliance 'surge'.
SF played a very savvy campaign. Didn't rock the boat or do anything like a 'crocodile moment'.
In fairness, their vote management is first class.
Question on STV.
After the first preferences are counted and someone gets over the quota, are the excess votes (in theory) then shared out between those second on those ballots as a proportion of their total votes?
E.g.
Donaldson gets 12k first preference votes, quota is 7K so he's 5K of transfers.
Of his 12K first preferences 80% go to Givan, would that mean 4K votes go to Givan??
Or is there something else at play?
That is it in a nutshell.
When someone gets over the line their excess is allocated in the same ratio as their next preference votes. If that puts someone else over the line they do the same again. If no one gets over the line they eliminate the lowest place candidates remaining.
In the 26 if someone gets over the quota on 1st count all their 2nd prefs are distributed and percentages are allocated to the various candidates.
However if you exceed the quota in other Counts they just take the surplus off the top of the bundle and distribute them.
That's why recounts are called if someone loses out by a small number.
6 Co system is more accurate.
"The people have spoken, the bastards "
2/3 so far, Boylann and Murphy no real surprise there
is mcrossan in danger in west tyrone
Some result in Foyle!!
The shinners on social media seem particularly oblivious to the fact their vote has hit something of a glass ceiling in NI and by the looks of it the failing SDLP vote is going the way of Aliiance. Whilst they'll take a lot of seats SF will be in particular trouble when alliance start running centrist Protestant candidates west of the Bann which will put a lot of pressure on SFs 3rd seats.
Newry-Armagh 1st Count
C Boylan (SF) 9843
J Coade (Alliance) 3345
D Connolly (Aon) 1189
N Grant (WP) 160
C Henry (Green) 314
W Irwin (DUP) 7577
L Kimmins (SF) 7964
G Malone (Ind) 3157
J McNulty (SDLP) 6217
C Murphy (SF) 9847
K Ratcliffe (TUV) 5407
D Taylor (UUP) 3864
Q: 9815
Quote from: trileacman on May 06, 2022, 05:59:03 PM
The shinners on social media seem particularly oblivious to the fact their vote has hit something of a glass ceiling in NI and by the looks of it the failing SDLP vote is going the way of Aliiance. Whilst they'll take a lot of seats SF will be in particular trouble when alliance start running centrist Protestant candidates west of the Bann which will put a lot of pressure on SFs 3rd seats.
LMAO it takes some going to take today's results and portray them as in ANY way bad for SF. How do you know it's a glass ceiling? It was said that 2017 results were the ceiling for them. Right up until last night, commentators unanimously agreed that SF would lose seats - potentially up to four. It looks at the minute that they will likely at least hold their seats and have increased their vote. Not much of a "glass ceiling' if it keeps getting broken through. And I think you are overstating the ability of Alliance West of the Bann. Their big hope in West Tyrone, Stephen Donnelly, is languishing in 7th position. Not even remotely close to threatening SFs third seat (currently Declan McAleer who is in third position. And you think that were Stephen a Protestant that that would have dramatically boosted his chances? A bizzare take you've got.
Quote from: trileacman on May 06, 2022, 05:59:03 PM
The shinners on social media seem particularly oblivious to the fact their vote has hit something of a glass ceiling in NI and by the looks of it the failing SDLP vote is going the way of Aliiance. Whilst they'll take a lot of seats SF will be in particular trouble when alliance start running centrist Protestant candidates west of the Bann which will put a lot of pressure on SFs 3rd seats.
Nonsense. SF is clearly appealing to young voters whereas the SDLPs voters are largely older. Therefore as each election comes along we have additional young voters coming on stream who will continue to increase SFs vote while the SDLPs continues to fall as elderly voters are no longer with us.
Who is the gobshite on radio ulster "great to see SF supporting democracy and taking it seriously as opposed to what they supported in the past and still support" Bitter bastard
From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.
And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 06, 2022, 05:53:29 PM
Some result in Foyle!!
Twas,Pádraig represents the new face of young nationalism, young gay man with no baggage .
Canny bear Ferguson and hopefully that piece of work McLaughlin doesn't get in
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 07:32:31 PM
From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.
And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.
There wont unless the political economy is fixed
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 07:32:31 PM
From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.
And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.
There wont unless the political economy is fixed
What economy lol, doesn't matter up here, we don't have one
In any other election Donaldson would be out by Monday... the place is clean mad you here how would you even try to make sense of it all?
Should the rise of the middle ground mean an end to mandatory coalition of designations? If Sinn Fein and Alliance can agree a programme for Government surely they should be allowed to govern!
Massive result in South Down with Sinn Fein taking 44% of first preference votes compared to 16% for SDLP. With Sinead Ennis and Cathy mason elected comfortably on the first count, a 3rd seat was a real possibility and maybe a missed opportunity.
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 06:18:26 PM
Quote from: trileacman on May 06, 2022, 05:59:03 PM
The shinners on social media seem particularly oblivious to the fact their vote has hit something of a glass ceiling in NI and by the looks of it the failing SDLP vote is going the way of Aliiance. Whilst they'll take a lot of seats SF will be in particular trouble when alliance start running centrist Protestant candidates west of the Bann which will put a lot of pressure on SFs 3rd seats.
LMAO it takes some going to take today's results and portray them as in ANY way bad for SF. How do you know it's a glass ceiling? It was said that 2017 results were the ceiling for them. Right up until last night, commentators unanimously agreed that SF would lose seats - potentially up to four. It looks at the minute that they will likely at least hold their seats and have increased their vote. Not much of a "glass ceiling' if it keeps getting broken through. And I think you are overstating the ability of Alliance West of the Bann. Their big hope in West Tyrone, Stephen Donnelly, is languishing in 7th position. Not even remotely close to threatening SFs third seat (currently Declan McAleer who is in third position. And you think that were Stephen a Protestant that that would have dramatically boosted his chances? A bizzare take you've got.
SF vote is falling in West Tyrone, Newry and Armagh, Foyle, Big traditional Nationalist areas. They hold the majority of seats here and keep a Protestant minority out of the running for most who usually have to pool their votes at the final round to get a token Unionist elected. Quite a few Unionist votes are left at home or lost in race for 5th place. If Alliance ran a candidate from a typical West Ulster Unionist background they'd still hold the Alliance vote, take a few floating voters off SF/SDLP and sweep up a good portion of Unionist who want to vote for someone with a chance of being elected.
Talk of UUP and SDLP not making it into the executive. Do they have to get a specific number of candidates elected to get in or a specific number of votes?
Quote from: trileacman on May 06, 2022, 08:09:37 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 06:18:26 PM
Quote from: trileacman on May 06, 2022, 05:59:03 PM
The shinners on social media seem particularly oblivious to the fact their vote has hit something of a glass ceiling in NI and by the looks of it the failing SDLP vote is going the way of Aliiance. Whilst they'll take a lot of seats SF will be in particular trouble when alliance start running centrist Protestant candidates west of the Bann which will put a lot of pressure on SFs 3rd seats.
LMAO it takes some going to take today's results and portray them as in ANY way bad for SF. How do you know it's a glass ceiling? It was said that 2017 results were the ceiling for them. Right up until last night, commentators unanimously agreed that SF would lose seats - potentially up to four. It looks at the minute that they will likely at least hold their seats and have increased their vote. Not much of a "glass ceiling' if it keeps getting broken through. And I think you are overstating the ability of Alliance West of the Bann. Their big hope in West Tyrone, Stephen Donnelly, is languishing in 7th position. Not even remotely close to threatening SFs third seat (currently Declan McAleer who is in third position. And you think that were Stephen a Protestant that that would have dramatically boosted his chances? A bizzare take you've got.
SF vote is falling in West Tyrone, Newry and Armagh, Foyle, Big traditional Nationalist areas. They hold the majority of seats here and keep a Protestant minority out of the running for most who usually have to pool their votes at the final round to get a token Unionist elected. Quite a few Unionist votes are left at home or lost in race for 5th place. If Alliance ran a candidate from a typical West Ulster Unionist background they'd still hold the Alliance vote, take a few floating voters off SF/SDLP and sweep up a good portion of Unionist who want to vote for someone with a chance of being elected.
Up by 5000 according to the BBC there
SF have an impressive party machine but most of their MLAs are mediocre at best. They haven't done any work on the political economy of unification either.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 06, 2022, 08:47:36 PM
Quote from: trileacman on May 06, 2022, 08:09:37 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 06:18:26 PM
Quote from: trileacman on May 06, 2022, 05:59:03 PM
The shinners on social media seem particularly oblivious to the fact their vote has hit something of a glass ceiling in NI and by the looks of it the failing SDLP vote is going the way of Aliiance. Whilst they'll take a lot of seats SF will be in particular trouble when alliance start running centrist Protestant candidates west of the Bann which will put a lot of pressure on SFs 3rd seats.
LMAO it takes some going to take today's results and portray them as in ANY way bad for SF. How do you know it's a glass ceiling? It was said that 2017 results were the ceiling for them. Right up until last night, commentators unanimously agreed that SF would lose seats - potentially up to four. It looks at the minute that they will likely at least hold their seats and have increased their vote. Not much of a "glass ceiling' if it keeps getting broken through. And I think you are overstating the ability of Alliance West of the Bann. Their big hope in West Tyrone, Stephen Donnelly, is languishing in 7th position. Not even remotely close to threatening SFs third seat (currently Declan McAleer who is in third position. And you think that were Stephen a Protestant that that would have dramatically boosted his chances? A bizzare take you've got.
SF vote is falling in West Tyrone, Newry and Armagh, Foyle, Big traditional Nationalist areas. They hold the majority of seats here and keep a Protestant minority out of the running for most who usually have to pool their votes at the final round to get a token Unionist elected. Quite a few Unionist votes are left at home or lost in race for 5th place. If Alliance ran a candidate from a typical West Ulster Unionist background they'd still hold the Alliance vote, take a few floating voters off SF/SDLP and sweep up a good portion of Unionist who want to vote for someone with a chance of being elected.
Up by 5000 according to the BBC there
More registered voters because of the covid spend money. SF share of the vote is down nearly 4% in Foyle.
Quote from: screenexile on May 06, 2022, 07:58:49 PM
In any other election Donaldson would be out by Monday... the place is clean mad you here how would you even try to make sense of it all?
Should the rise of the middle ground mean an end to mandatory coalition of designations? If Sinn Fein and Alliance can agree a programme for Government surely they should be allowed to govern!
Power sharing. It's usually called "mandatory coalition" by people opposed to power sharing.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on May 06, 2022, 09:06:06 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 06, 2022, 07:58:49 PM
In any other election Donaldson would be out by Monday... the place is clean mad you here how would you even try to make sense of it all?
Should the rise of the middle ground mean an end to mandatory coalition of designations? If Sinn Fein and Alliance can agree a programme for Government surely they should be allowed to govern!
Power sharing. It's usually called "mandatory coalition" by people opposed to power sharing.
I'm not opposed to power sharing at all but the fact that it has to be both Nationalist and Unionist doesn't make sense anymore when the middle ground is increasing every year.
Unionists probably won't like it but surely it has to be up for discussion so that decisions can be made here!
I see SF's 29% first pref vote was 3% higher than the Lucidtalk opinion poll. That's a good bit off the mark.
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2022, 09:09:38 PM
I see SF's 29% first pref vote was 3% higher than the Lucidtalk opinion poll. That's a good bit off the mark.
Well off they had DUP neck and neck with Alliance at 18%.
DUP got 21% and Alliance 13% so big disparity with that!
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2022, 09:09:38 PM
I see SF's 29% first pref vote was 3% higher than the Lucidtalk opinion poll. That's a good bit off the mark.
Saw it said earlier that quite a few made their decision close to the time
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 07:32:31 PM
From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.
And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.
There wont unless the political economy is fixed
Seafood, why do you make such definitive statements about something you know f**k all about lad?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 06, 2022, 07:48:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 07:32:31 PM
From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.
And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.
There wont unless the political economy is fixed
What economy lol, doesn't matter up here, we don't have one
Nobody in the South will vote for unification if NI remains an economic basket case
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:15:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 07:32:31 PM
From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.
And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.
There wont unless the political economy is fixed
Seafood, why do you make such definitive statements about something you know f**k all about lad?
Look at opinion polls, Itchy. Sunday Indo anytime. Southern voters do not want to pay for NI. So NI has to pay its own way.
What do you know about fixing NI ?
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 08:52:07 PM
SF have an impressive party machine but most of their MLAs are mediocre at best. They haven't done any work on the political economy of unification either.
Sure why don't you enlighten us on which ones you believe are mediocre and why you believe that.
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 06, 2022, 09:12:55 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2022, 09:09:38 PM
I see SF's 29% first pref vote was 3% higher than the Lucidtalk opinion poll. That's a good bit off the mark.
Saw it said earlier that quite a few made their decision close to the time
So some Sinn Féin voters aren't what are classified shy voters, they're just a bit tardy.
Quote from: trileacman on May 06, 2022, 08:09:37 PM
SF vote is falling in West Tyrone, Newry and Armagh, Foyle,
What?! SFs vote in West Tyrone is up by 1.3% and down by the same in Newry/Armagh. In Foyle their vote was down yet still they outpolled the SDLP with two totally new, untested candidates. In FST (also west of the Bann last time I checked) their vote has also increased (by 2.5%). Lastly, in Mid-Ulster, their vote was the same. So your suggestion that SF are haemorrhaging votes west of the Bann is just nonsense. I think you are confusing what the commentators predicted with what actually happened.
Quote from: trileacman on May 06, 2022, 08:09:37 PM
They hold the majority of seats here and keep a Protestant minority out of the running for most who usually have to pool their votes at the final round to get a token Unionist elected.
Lol what? So SF are excluding Protestants from political representation in nationalist areas because they have the temerity to stand as many candidates as they believe can get elected? What do you want? Nationalists to not vote in constituencies where they are a majority?
Quote from: trileacman on May 06, 2022, 08:09:37 PM
Quite a few Unionist votes are left at home or lost in race for 5th place. If Alliance ran a candidate from a typical West Ulster Unionist background they'd still hold the Alliance vote, take a few floating voters off SF/SDLP and sweep up a good portion of Unionist who want to vote for someone with a chance of being elected.
Alliance have a Catholic candidate in West Tyrone who performed poorly. You think there's a big population of SF/SDLP voters in the constituency who didn't vote Alliance because they wanted their candidate to be Protestant?
Listen, you've tried your best to portray today as being a bad day for SF but seriously. Lay off whatever it is you're smoking.
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:17:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:15:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 07:32:31 PM
From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.
And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.
There wont unless the political economy is fixed
Seafood, why do you make such definitive statements about something you know f**k all about lad?
Look at opinion polls, Itchy. Sunday Indo anytime. Southern voters do not want to pay for NI. So NI has to pay its own way.
What do you know about fixing NI ?
Yeh, whenever I need to know about the North I read the f**king Sunday Indo. Are you off your rocker.
I've always considered Alliance unionist and it baffles me tbh how lads on here would attack the stoops as they call them before alliance .
Not a great day TBH.
Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.
Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.
How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.
[Now, to be fair, the unionist parties can't face that future and are sticking their heads in the ground with respect to the inevitable. Which doesn't help, but Sinn Fein's building of an economic case for a UI - to the public BOTH sides of the border - is utterly non existent.]
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
Not a great day TBH.
Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.
Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.
How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.
[Now, to be fair, the unionist parties can't face that future and are sticking their heads in the ground with respect to the inevitable. Which doesn't help, but Sinn Fein's building of an economic case for a UI - to the public BOTH sides of the border - is utterly non existent.]
And what would a great day have looked like for you?
It's up to the SF to not even given it a platform with regards to UI just deal with the normal politics and day to day issues and let them burn up inside!!
Should they start pushing the question on border poll they'll be causing all sorts of shit, we ain't ready for it just yet
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
Not a great day TBH.
Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.
What exactly were you expecting? Nationalists and unionists to, out of the blue, totally cease voting accordingly?
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.
The mind boggles. Its like you've fallen hook, line and sinker for the tactic the DUP were using to try scare die-hard loyalists to the polls. SF can't call a border poll.Only the British Secretary of State can. So how can SF "ram one in"?
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.
They are building political support and well on the way to being in government North and south. Once that happens, they will be in the position to form a citizens assembly on unity and only then will the southern government actively prepare for what everyone accepts is an inevitable poll at some point in the future. For now, they can only lobby for these things.
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:22:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:17:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:15:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 07:32:31 PM
From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.
And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.
There wont unless the political economy is fixed
Seafood, why do you make such definitive statements about something you know f**k all about lad?
Look at opinion polls, Itchy. Sunday Indo anytime. Southern voters do not want to pay for NI. So NI has to pay its own way.
What do you know about fixing NI ?
Yeh, whenever I need to know about the North I read the f**king Sunday Indo. Are you off your rocker.
Who is expected to pay for NI post unification, Itchy, you muppet ? Is it DUP voters?
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:22:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:17:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:15:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 07:32:31 PM
From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.
And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.
There wont unless the political economy is fixed
Seafood, why do you make such definitive statements about something you know f**k all about lad?
Look at opinion polls, Itchy. Sunday Indo anytime. Southern voters do not want to pay for NI. So NI has to pay its own way.
What do you know about fixing NI ?
Yeh, whenever I need to know about the North I read the f**king Sunday Indo. Are you off your rocker.
Who is expected to pay for NI post unification, Itchy, you muppet ? Is it DUP voters?
Don't worry I don't think plastic paddy's like you will need to pay an extra cent tax to reunify your country. I'm sure DUP voters will pay their taxes like everyone else too.
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:41:11 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
Not a great day TBH.
Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.
Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.
How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.
[Now, to be fair, the unionist parties can't face that future and are sticking their heads in the ground with respect to the inevitable. Which doesn't help, but Sinn Fein's building of an economic case for a UI - to the public BOTH sides of the border - is utterly non existent.]
And what would a great day have looked like for you?
A definite move away from the TUV and DUP toward the centre ground.
Even a pull back from SF toward the SDLP.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:59:00 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:41:11 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
Not a great day TBH.
Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.
Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.
How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.
[Now, to be fair, the unionist parties can't face that future and are sticking their heads in the ground with respect to the inevitable. Which doesn't help, but Sinn Fein's building of an economic case for a UI - to the public BOTH sides of the border - is utterly non existent.]
And what would a great day have looked like for you?
A definite move away from the TUV and DUP toward the centre ground.
Even a pull back from SF toward the SDLP.
Regarding the later, the sdlp need to look in the mirror on how they ran their campaign don't they rather than blame the electorate
Is there a case for a border poll never being won given that SF seem to have hit their ceiling and the middle ground is where the gains are to be had.
Hard to see where the extra yes votes come from to get over the 50%.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:59:00 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:41:11 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
Not a great day TBH.
Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.
Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.
How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.
[Now, to be fair, the unionist parties can't face that future and are sticking their heads in the ground with respect to the inevitable. Which doesn't help, but Sinn Fein's building of an economic case for a UI - to the public BOTH sides of the border - is utterly non existent.]
And what would a great day have looked like for you?
A definite move away from the TUV and DUP toward the centre ground.
Even a pull back from SF toward the SDLP.
You actually expected the TUV to lose ground? And the SDLP to make significant gains from SF? You haven't been paying attention!
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 09:44:21 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
Not a great day TBH.
Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.
What exactly were you expecting? Nationalists and unionists to, out of the blue, totally cease voting accordingly?
The DUP have just presided over a massive series of f**k ups.
- RHI
- Brexit
- Yet another Stormont collapse when Health Service is dying.
Did that affect them? Apparently not a bit.
TUV is the new party of "No". No forward thinking, no opportunities, no development. No move on from 1690.
Yet where is the vote going.
There is more to this than just SF. Which I did allude to in the original post.
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 09:44:21 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.
The mind boggles. Its like you've fallen hook, line and sinker for the tactic the DUP were using to try scare die-hard loyalists to the polls. SF can't call a border poll.Only the British Secretary of State can. So how can SF "ram one in"?
The mind boggles indeed..
"the Secretary of State
shall exercise the power under paragraph 1 if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland."
If SF get a majority vote in Stormont on a motion for a border poll that is only stopped by a minority petition of concern, that's pretty damn compelling.
The
shall in there forces the SoS's hand under the above circumstance.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.
They are building political support and well on the way to being in government North and south. Once that happens, they will be in the position to form a citizens assembly on unity and only then will the southern government actively prepare for what everyone accepts is an inevitable poll at some point in the future. For now, they can only lobby for these things.
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Ha. Have you any evidence of their lobbying for a citizens assembly?
Building political support with whom? Far as I can see they are a pariah to all other parties north and south.
They don't need to be in government to instigate the creation of a citizens assembly.
Indeed, its better if they aren't in government - 'cos to make this work - its going to have to be a workable solution across the political spectrum - and definitely not something constructed entirely to SF's specification.
Quote from: screenexile on May 06, 2022, 10:10:12 PM
Is there a case for a border poll never being won given that SF seem to have hit their ceiling and the middle ground is where the gains are to be had.
Hard to see where the extra yes votes come from to get over the 50%.
The people in the middle can be persuaded, but SF will not do it.
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 10:07:10 PM
Regarding the later, the sdlp need to look in the mirror on how they ran their campaign don't they rather than blame the electorate
They do indeed.
But that doesn't stop my summation being accurate. Its not a great day.
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 10:14:06 PM
You actually expected the TUV to lose ground? And the SDLP to make significant gains from SF? You haven't been paying attention!
No. Expecting and hoping are two different things.
Furthermore, the TUV haven't really taken the DUPs vote. They've taken the UUPs vote by the look of it.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 06, 2022, 10:16:31 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 06, 2022, 10:10:12 PM
Is there a case for a border poll never being won given that SF seem to have hit their ceiling and the middle ground is where the gains are to be had.
Hard to see where the extra yes votes come from to get over the 50%.
The people in the middle can be persuaded, but SF will not do it.
Will not and (due to baggage*) probably can not.
*regardless of whether you feel the baggage is fair or not.
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 09:19:26 PM
Quote from: trileacman on May 06, 2022, 08:09:37 PM
SF vote is falling in West Tyrone, Newry and Armagh, Foyle,
What?! SFs vote in West Tyrone is up by 1.3% and down by the same in Newry/Armagh. In Foyle their vote was down yet still they outpolled the SDLP with two totally new, untested candidates. In FST (also west of the Bann last time I checked) their vote has also increased (by 2.5%). Lastly, in Mid-Ulster, their vote was the same. So your suggestion that SF are haemorrhaging votes west of the Bann is just nonsense. I think you are confusing what the commentators predicted with what actually happened.
Quote from: trileacman on May 06, 2022, 08:09:37 PM
They hold the majority of seats here and keep a Protestant minority out of the running for most who usually have to pool their votes at the final round to get a token Unionist elected.
Lol what? So SF are excluding Protestants from political representation in nationalist areas because they have the temerity to stand as many candidates as they believe can get elected? What do you want? Nationalists to not vote in constituencies where they are a majority?
Quote from: trileacman on May 06, 2022, 08:09:37 PM
Quite a few Unionist votes are left at home or lost in race for 5th place. If Alliance ran a candidate from a typical West Ulster Unionist background they'd still hold the Alliance vote, take a few floating voters off SF/SDLP and sweep up a good portion of Unionist who want to vote for someone with a chance of being elected.
Alliance have a Catholic candidate in West Tyrone who performed poorly. You think there's a big population of SF/SDLP voters in the constituency who didn't vote Alliance because they wanted their candidate to be Protestant?
Listen, you've tried your best to portray today as being a bad day for SF but seriously. Lay off whatever it is you're smoking.
Look up the west Tyrone vote % and get back to me when you see your mistake.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 06, 2022, 10:16:31 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 06, 2022, 10:10:12 PM
Is there a case for a border poll never being won given that SF seem to have hit their ceiling and the middle ground is where the gains are to be had.
Hard to see where the extra yes votes come from to get over the 50%.
The people in the middle can be persuaded, but SF will not do it.
Maybe we need to have a border poll and lose to see what needs to happen to win one.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 10:17:18 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 10:14:06 PM
You actually expected the TUV to lose ground? And the SDLP to make significant gains from SF? You haven't been paying attention!
No. Expecting and hoping are two different things.
Furthermore, the TUV haven't really taken the DUPs vote. They've taken the UUPs vote by the look of it.
Yeah but I asked you what you expected, not what you hoped for
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 10:20:40 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 10:17:18 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 10:14:06 PM
You actually expected the TUV to lose ground? And the SDLP to make significant gains from SF? You haven't been paying attention!
No. Expecting and hoping are two different things.
Furthermore, the TUV haven't really taken the DUPs vote. They've taken the UUPs vote by the look of it.
Yeah but I asked you what you expected, not what you hoped for
I don't care what you asked.
Expectations have no bearing on my summation; Not a great day. [aka I was hoping for better]
and sure while I'm here - yes, I did expect an erosion of the very hardline unionist vote when they seen the absolute farce their elected representatives made of Brexit.
Both the TUV and DUP supported it, and both are in favour of scrapping the mechanism allowing NI to trade with the EU.
So its extremely disappointing that their voters are either that deeply entrenched with the UK or that stupid they don't realise they are cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
Not a great day TBH.
Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.
Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.
How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.
[Now, to be fair, the unionist parties can't face that future and are sticking their heads in the ground with respect to the inevitable. Which doesn't help, but Sinn Fein's building of an economic case for a UI - to the public BOTH sides of the border - is utterly non existent.]
Sorry I've seen this now a few times and its simply not true. Sf have been calling out for the ground work to be done. This is not SFs sole responsibility either, and to be honest its better that it's not for the necessary buy in. Both FF and Fg repeately come out with the nonsense along othe lines of "now is not the time to discuss it" or other such phrases. Now is certainly the time to be discussing it and all major parties on this island should have serious input and discussion in to this. Obviously the unionist ones won't want to engage but their input should be constantly sought. The current government in the South should have a working group already on this, but no surprise they don't. But you and others lay the blame at SF for not doing more on this? I don't get that thought process at all. I am not a shinner, I would certainly like to see them do more on the groundwork of what a new Ireland would look like, regarding the economy, education etc etc, but as far I can see they are only party looking at it. And like I alluded to earlier, that is actually a problem, for it to work and have buy in it has to be seen as a collective effort from right across all the relevant institutions in Ireland.
Quote from: HiMucker on May 06, 2022, 10:25:16 PM
Sorry I've seen this now a few times and its simply not true. Sf have been calling out for the ground work to be done. This is not SFs sole responsibility either, and to be honest its better that it's not for the necessary buy in. Both FF and Fg repeately come out with the nonsense along othe lines of "now is not the time to discuss it" or other such phrases. Now is certainly the time to be discussing it and all major parties on this island should have serious input and discussion in to this.
I'll snip to this if thats OK.
Problem is, SF are saying we need to lay ground work in one minute, then calling for a poll the next.
We aren't ready to discuss a border poll, and its no wonder that people are looking to cool that talk down.
SF should get around the concept of
1. Openly state no border poll within 15 years.
2. Then given people will feel less pressured and pushed into a corner - start saying there needs to be work toward being ready for the day a border poll is passed - and that day could be in 15 years. [which given where we are now, is a pretty short space of time]
When they put pressure on for a poll immediately - they are killing it. If they did end up with a poll before we're ready - we'll be straight back to the troubles. They don't seem to recognise that.
Quote from: HiMucker on May 06, 2022, 10:25:16 PM
And like I alluded to earlier, that is actually a problem, for it to work and have buy in it has to be seen as a collective effort from right across all the relevant institutions in Ireland.
Very much agreed. Pushing through before we're ready and there is a sizeable supermajority will end very badly.
This is true. People ( and posters on this board) repeatedly have condemned SF for not doing enough work into preparing a case for a UI. Yet in the same breath say that SF have too much baggage and shouldn't take over the process as they will never sell it to the centre.
So I'm at a loss as to what they people actually expect SF to do wrt the constitutional question.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 10:15:39 PM
- RHI
- Brexit
- Yet another Stormont collapse when Health Service is dying.
Did that affect them? Apparently not a bit.
Not a bit? They took a hammering today! They are down 41,000 votes on 2017.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 10:15:39 PM
TUV is the new party of "No". No forward thinking, no opportunities, no development. No move on from 1690.
Let's not overstate it. The TUV vote increased but they are still minnows.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
The mind boggles indeed..
"the Secretary of State shall exercise the power under paragraph 1 if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland."
If SF get a majority vote in Stormont on a motion for a border poll that is only stopped by a minority petition of concern, that's pretty damn compelling.
The shall in there forces the SoS's hand under the above circumstance.
Well if the SoS called a border poll because of the result of a democratic election result that saw SF do well, then that's the people "ramming in" a border poll, rather than SF doing so, surely? Should SF stop running in elections incase they accidentally leave the British with no choice but to call a border poll. Catch yourself on. SF becoming the largest party won't result in the British SoS calling a border poll. Such a poll won't happen until nationalism holds a strong majority in stormont and successive opinion polls point to unity being the people's wish. Today not only won't lead to SF "ramming in" a border poll. It can't lead to them doing so. They have no power to do so.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
Ha. Have you any evidence of their lobbying for a citizens assembly?
Google "Sinn Fein Citizens Assembly". You don't need me to do it for you. If you didn't know they have been lobbying for a citizens assembly on Irish Unity, you really must have been living under a rock.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
Building political support with whom? Far as I can see they are a pariah to all other parties north and south.
Building support amongst the people. Successfully so. They are by a long, long way the most popular party in Ireland.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
They don't need to be in government to instigate the creation of a citizens assembly.
Indeed, its better if they aren't in government - 'cos to make this work - its going to have to be a workable solution across the political spectrum - and definitely not something constructed entirely to SF's specification.
You see it doesn't matter what you think. It's about what the electorate think. If SF are mandated to be in government, then that's it's the electorate's specifications that are being fulfilled.
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:22:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:17:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:15:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 07:32:31 PM
From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.
And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.
There wont unless the political economy is fixed
Seafood, why do you make such definitive statements about something you know f**k all about lad?
Look at opinion polls, Itchy. Sunday Indo anytime. Southern voters do not want to pay for NI. So NI has to pay its own way.
What do you know about fixing NI ?
Yeh, whenever I need to know about the North I read the f**king Sunday Indo. Are you off your rocker.
Who is expected to pay for NI post unification, Itchy, you muppet ? Is it DUP voters?
Take a break from the Indo Seafold and turn to the Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/uk-subvention-to-north-irrelevant-to-debate-on-irish-unity-1.4587773 (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/uk-subvention-to-north-irrelevant-to-debate-on-irish-unity-1.4587773)
UK subvention to North irrelevant to debate on Irish unity, it will have dropped to 3bn p/a a sum easily covered by the benefits of unity.
Economic debate on unity needs to move on to policy decisions needed for growth.writes John Doyle a professor in the School of Law and Government in Dublin City University. who has writ much about all things Northern Ireland
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/John-Doyle-17915349 (https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/John-Doyle-17915349)
in particular on Debating the Cost of Irish Reunification: A Response to
'Why the Subvention does not Matter'
https://muse.jhu.edu/article/810169/pdf (https://muse.jhu.edu/article/810169/pdf)
It's all part of the slow march to the intended end of the Collins agreement. Not really that slow in terms of Irish history, but a bloody path.
Conor Rafferty 13 votes for Resume in Mid Ulster? What party is this and why did he stand?
TUV still might only finish with 1 seat?!
Quote from: WT4E on May 06, 2022, 11:23:47 PM
Conor Rafferty 13 votes for Resume in Mid Ulster? What party is this and why did he stand?
https://www.derrynow.com/news/election/805189/newly-formed-party-s-candidate-withdraws-from-race-on-election-morning.html
Quote from: screenexile on May 06, 2022, 11:24:41 PM
TUV still might only finish with 1 seat?!
Yep. That's why transfers matter!
Was it the pro-vaccination and pro-mask crowd that did well?
Quote from: JoG2 on May 06, 2022, 11:26:38 PM
Quote from: WT4E on May 06, 2022, 11:23:47 PM
Conor Rafferty 13 votes for Resume in Mid Ulster? What party is this and why did he stand?
https://www.derrynow.com/news/election/805189/newly-formed-party-s-candidate-withdraws-from-race-on-election-morning.html
I think he has been behind a few anti-immigration "Ireland first" face book pages.
It will be a sad inditement of this place if Nichola Mallon loses her seat
is doug beattie in trouble he was only 6th after first preference i admit i find system hard to follow do you really want to be in the top 3 after first preference to be confident of getting elected if your in 6th would you be worried
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2022, 10:54:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:22:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:17:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:15:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 07:32:31 PM
From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.
And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.
There wont unless the political economy is fixed
Seafood, why do you make such definitive statements about something you know f**k all about lad?
Look at opinion polls, Itchy. Sunday Indo anytime. Southern voters do not want to pay for NI. So NI has to pay its own way.
What do you know about fixing NI ?
Yeh, whenever I need to know about the North I read the f**king Sunday Indo. Are you off your rocker.
Who is expected to pay for NI post unification, Itchy, you muppet ? Is it DUP voters?
Take a break from the Indo Seafold and turn to the Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/uk-subvention-to-north-irrelevant-to-debate-on-irish-unity-1.4587773 (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/uk-subvention-to-north-irrelevant-to-debate-on-irish-unity-1.4587773)
UK subvention to North irrelevant to debate on Irish unity, it will have dropped to 3bn p/a a sum easily covered by the benefits of unity.
Economic debate on unity needs to move on to policy decisions needed for growth.
writes John Doyle a professor in the School of Law and Government in Dublin City University. who has writ much about all things Northern Ireland
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/John-Doyle-17915349 (https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/John-Doyle-17915349)
in particular on Debating the Cost of Irish Reunification: A Response to
'Why the Subvention does not Matter'
https://muse.jhu.edu/article/810169/pdf (https://muse.jhu.edu/article/810169/pdf)
Northern Ireland is poor. If you look at income per head, Derry,Fermanagh, Tyrone, South Armagh, North Antrim and South Down would be on a similar level to Roscommon and Monaghan.
South Antrim , North Down and North Armagh are richer , equivalent to Cavan but significantly behind Clare.
It is not enough to deal with the Subvention. NI needs to close the gap with say Munster.
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2022, 05:48:25 AM
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2022, 10:54:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:22:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:17:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:15:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 07:32:31 PM
From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.
And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.
There wont unless the political economy is fixed
Seafood, why do you make such definitive statements about something you know f**k all about lad?
Look at opinion polls, Itchy. Sunday Indo anytime. Southern voters do not want to pay for NI. So NI has to pay its own way.
What do you know about fixing NI ?
Yeh, whenever I need to know about the North I read the f**king Sunday Indo. Are you off your rocker.
Who is expected to pay for NI post unification, Itchy, you muppet ? Is it DUP voters?
Take a break from the Indo Seafold and turn to the Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/uk-subvention-to-north-irrelevant-to-debate-on-irish-unity-1.4587773 (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/uk-subvention-to-north-irrelevant-to-debate-on-irish-unity-1.4587773)
UK subvention to North irrelevant to debate on Irish unity, it will have dropped to 3bn p/a a sum easily covered by the benefits of unity.
Economic debate on unity needs to move on to policy decisions needed for growth.
writes John Doyle a professor in the School of Law and Government in Dublin City University. who has writ much about all things Northern Ireland
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/John-Doyle-17915349 (https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/John-Doyle-17915349)
in particular on Debating the Cost of Irish Reunification: A Response to
'Why the Subvention does not Matter'
https://muse.jhu.edu/article/810169/pdf (https://muse.jhu.edu/article/810169/pdf)
Northern Ireland is poor. If you look at income per head, Derry,Fermanagh, Tyrone, South Armagh, North Antrim and South Down would be on a similar level to Roscommon and Monaghan.
South Antrim , North Down and North Armagh are richer , equivalent to Cavan but significantly behind Clare.
It is not enough to deal with the Subvention. NI needs to close the gap with say Munster.
I was in Wexford yesterday, absolutely astounded at the road from Dublin to Wexford . motorway with hardly car on it. We still don't have a road from Derry to Belfast . We have been let down by unionism and SF over the years . People need to wake up to the economics
Wexford can't be compared to Derry population wise
Rosslare is the biggest port in the country or is going to be. Huge investment and development is planned for the region, mostly due to its ferry links to the continent.
Definitely the county to benefit most from Brexit.
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 10:39:27 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 10:15:39 PM
- RHI
- Brexit
- Yet another Stormont collapse when Health Service is dying.
Did that affect them? Apparently not a bit.
Not a bit? They took a hammering today! They are down 41,000 votes on 2017.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 10:15:39 PM
TUV is the new party of "No". No forward thinking, no opportunities, no development. No move on from 1690.
Let's not overstate it. The TUV vote increased but they are still minnows.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
The mind boggles indeed..
"the Secretary of State shall exercise the power under paragraph 1 if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland."
If SF get a majority vote in Stormont on a motion for a border poll that is only stopped by a minority petition of concern, that's pretty damn compelling.
The shall in there forces the SoS's hand under the above circumstance.
Well if the SoS called a border poll because of the result of a democratic election result that saw SF do well, then that's the people "ramming in" a border poll, rather than SF doing so, surely? Should SF stop running in elections incase they accidentally leave the British with no choice but to call a border poll. Catch yourself on. SF becoming the largest party won't result in the British SoS calling a border poll. Such a poll won't happen until nationalism holds a strong majority in stormont and successive opinion polls point to unity being the people's wish. Today not only won't lead to SF "ramming in" a border poll. It can't lead to them doing so. They have no power to do so.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
Ha. Have you any evidence of their lobbying for a citizens assembly?
Google "Sinn Fein Citizens Assembly". You don't need me to do it for you. If you didn't know they have been lobbying for a citizens assembly on Irish Unity, you really must have been living under a rock.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
Building political support with whom? Far as I can see they are a pariah to all other parties north and south.
Building support amongst the people. Successfully so. They are by a long, long way the most popular party in Ireland.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
They don't need to be in government to instigate the creation of a citizens assembly.
Indeed, its better if they aren't in government - 'cos to make this work - its going to have to be a workable solution across the political spectrum - and definitely not something constructed entirely to SF's specification.
You see it doesn't matter what you think. It's about what the electorate think. If SF are mandated to be in government, then that's it's the electorate's specifications that are being fulfilled.
Ahh, this is getting too spread out. Will do one reply
- Turnout is down. Focusing on absolute numbers isn't reflective.
- While it wasn't what I intended (an election result not being sufficient, I was referring to a motion at stormont) - you've reflected the problem. A 51/49 majority to SF for you is good enough for a border poll regardless of the fall out.
- A border poll isn't just about what >50% of the electorate think. Its very, very much also about what is palatable to >90% of the population. The sooner this is realised, the better.
edit: Ah, I thought turnout was down to ~55%. I see this morning its just a tad lower than 2017. So your point on DUP vote count is accurate.
Quote from: ardtole on May 07, 2022, 08:05:30 AM
Rosslare is the biggest port in the country or is going to be. Huge investment and development is planned for the region, mostly due to its ferry links to the continent.
Definitely the county to benefit most from Brexit.
So impressed , to be honest whole way from Ardee. Miles ahead
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2022, 05:48:25 AM
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2022, 10:54:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:22:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:17:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:15:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 07:32:31 PM
From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.
And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.
There wont unless the political economy is fixed
Seafood, why do you make such definitive statements about something you know f**k all about lad?
Look at opinion polls, Itchy. Sunday Indo anytime. Southern voters do not want to pay for NI. So NI has to pay its own way.
What do you know about fixing NI ?
Yeh, whenever I need to know about the North I read the f**king Sunday Indo. Are you off your rocker.
Who is expected to pay for NI post unification, Itchy, you muppet ? Is it DUP voters?
Take a break from the Indo Seafold and turn to the Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/uk-subvention-to-north-irrelevant-to-debate-on-irish-unity-1.4587773 (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/uk-subvention-to-north-irrelevant-to-debate-on-irish-unity-1.4587773)
UK subvention to North irrelevant to debate on Irish unity, it will have dropped to 3bn p/a a sum easily covered by the benefits of unity.
Economic debate on unity needs to move on to policy decisions needed for growth.
writes John Doyle a professor in the School of Law and Government in Dublin City University. who has writ much about all things Northern Ireland
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/John-Doyle-17915349 (https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/John-Doyle-17915349)
in particular on Debating the Cost of Irish Reunification: A Response to
'Why the Subvention does not Matter'
https://muse.jhu.edu/article/810169/pdf (https://muse.jhu.edu/article/810169/pdf)
Northern Ireland is poor. If you look at income per head, Derry,Fermanagh, Tyrone, South Armagh, North Antrim and South Down would be on a similar level to Roscommon and Monaghan.
South Antrim , North Down and North Armagh are richer , equivalent to Cavan but significantly behind Clare.
It is not enough to deal with the Subvention. NI needs to close the gap with say Munster.
Is that just based on salary? Or does it take in the cost of living? Houses cars nearly everything bar cigarettes and fuel are cheaper in the 6 counties.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 06, 2022, 11:20:59 PM
Pretty much all of this is bollix.
"Straight back to the troubles". Wise yourself up.
When buses are burned and there is violence on the streets over an EU protocol that most of those on the streets couldn't tell you two accurate sentences about - you actually expect a marginal border to pass off without incident?
Have you took leave of your senses?!?
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 07, 2022, 08:12:09 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 06, 2022, 11:20:59 PM
Pretty much all of this is bollix.
"Straight back to the troubles". Wise yourself up.
When buses are burned and there is violence on the streets over an EU protocol that most of those on the streets couldn't tell you two accurate sentences about - you actually expect a marginal border to pass off without incident?
Have you took leave of your senses?!?
Taken
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 07, 2022, 08:12:09 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 06, 2022, 11:20:59 PM
Pretty much all of this is bollix.
"Straight back to the troubles". Wise yourself up.
When buses are burned and there is violence on the streets over an EU protocol that most of those on the streets couldn't tell you two accurate sentences about - you actually expect a marginal border to pass off without incident?
Have you took leave of your senses?!?
If buses are burned in the event of a successful border poll then the police should arrest and prosecute those responsible. You cannot let the threat of violence hamper a democratic process. I think people overestimate the impact violent loyalist can have. They can't get more then a few hundred to attend these sea border rallies ffs.
Quote from: snoopdog on May 07, 2022, 08:11:24 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2022, 05:48:25 AM
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2022, 10:54:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:22:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:17:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:15:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 07:32:31 PM
From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.
And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.
There wont unless the political economy is fixed
Seafood, why do you make such definitive statements about something you know f**k all about lad?
Look at opinion polls, Itchy. Sunday Indo anytime. Southern voters do not want to pay for NI. So NI has to pay its own way.
What do you know about fixing NI ?
Yeh, whenever I need to know about the North I read the f**king Sunday Indo. Are you off your rocker.
Who is expected to pay for NI post unification, Itchy, you muppet ? Is it DUP voters?
Take a break from the Indo Seafold and turn to the Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/uk-subvention-to-north-irrelevant-to-debate-on-irish-unity-1.4587773 (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/uk-subvention-to-north-irrelevant-to-debate-on-irish-unity-1.4587773)
UK subvention to North irrelevant to debate on Irish unity, it will have dropped to 3bn p/a a sum easily covered by the benefits of unity.
Economic debate on unity needs to move on to policy decisions needed for growth.
writes John Doyle a professor in the School of Law and Government in Dublin City University. who has writ much about all things Northern Ireland
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/John-Doyle-17915349 (https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/John-Doyle-17915349)
in particular on Debating the Cost of Irish Reunification: A Response to
'Why the Subvention does not Matter'
https://muse.jhu.edu/article/810169/pdf (https://muse.jhu.edu/article/810169/pdf)
Northern Ireland is poor. If you look at income per head, Derry,Fermanagh, Tyrone, South Armagh, North Antrim and South Down would be on a similar level to Roscommon and Monaghan.
South Antrim , North Down and North Armagh are richer , equivalent to Cavan but significantly behind Clare.
It is not enough to deal with the Subvention. NI needs to close the gap with say Munster.
Is that just based on salary? Or does it take in the cost of living? Houses cars nearly everything bar cigarettes and fuel are cheaper in the 6 counties.
Our wages significantly less
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 07, 2022, 08:18:08 AM
To suggest that we will go back to anything even remotely like the troubles is complete and utter balls.
Get a grip of your hyperbole.
I'm not even sure its possible to have a border poll >> UI without violence at all.
But sustained violence will need significant support from the hardercore unionist population.
When you look back through our recent history, and the penchant for loyalists to quickly take to the streets and use violence to try and drive or reverse decisions, what on earth makes you believe it'd pass off without much issue?
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2022, 05:48:25 AM
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2022, 10:54:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:22:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:17:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:15:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 07:32:31 PM
From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.
And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.
There wont unless the political economy is fixed
Seafood, why do you make such definitive statements about something you know f**k all about lad?
Look at opinion polls, Itchy. Sunday Indo anytime. Southern voters do not want to pay for NI. So NI has to pay its own way.
What do you know about fixing NI ?
Yeh, whenever I need to know about the North I read the f**king Sunday Indo. Are you off your rocker.
Who is expected to pay for NI post unification, Itchy, you muppet ? Is it DUP voters?
Take a break from the Indo Seafold and turn to the Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/uk-subvention-to-north-irrelevant-to-debate-on-irish-unity-1.4587773 (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/uk-subvention-to-north-irrelevant-to-debate-on-irish-unity-1.4587773)
UK subvention to North irrelevant to debate on Irish unity, it will have dropped to 3bn p/a a sum easily covered by the benefits of unity.
Economic debate on unity needs to move on to policy decisions needed for growth.
writes John Doyle a professor in the School of Law and Government in Dublin City University. who has writ much about all things Northern Ireland
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/John-Doyle-17915349 (https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/John-Doyle-17915349)
in particular on Debating the Cost of Irish Reunification: A Response to
'Why the Subvention does not Matter'
https://muse.jhu.edu/article/810169/pdf (https://muse.jhu.edu/article/810169/pdf)
Northern Ireland is poor. If you look at income per head, Derry,Fermanagh, Tyrone, South Armagh, North Antrim and South Down would be on a similar level to Roscommon and Monaghan.
South Antrim , North Down and North Armagh are richer , equivalent to Cavan but significantly behind Clare.
It is not enough to deal with the Subvention. NI needs to close the gap with say Munster.
Please present your data to support this statement
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 07, 2022, 08:45:47 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 07, 2022, 08:38:21 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 07, 2022, 08:18:08 AM
To suggest that we will go back to anything even remotely like the troubles is complete and utter balls.
Get a grip of your hyperbole.
I'm not even sure its possible to have a border poll >> UI without violence at all.
But sustained violence will need significant support from the hardercore unionist population.
When you look back through our recent history, and the penchant for loyalists to quickly take to the streets and use violence to try and drive or reverse decisions, what on earth makes you believe it'd pass off without much issue?
I didn't say it would but by Christ there is one hell of a leap between 2 burning buses and the troubles.
You are scaremongering and it's all dung.
Loyalists are easily bought off
Quote from: Itchy on May 07, 2022, 08:40:43 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2022, 05:48:25 AM
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2022, 10:54:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:22:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:17:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:15:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 07:32:31 PM
From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.
And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.
There wont unless the political economy is fixed
Seafood, why do you make such definitive statements about something you know f**k all about lad?
Look at opinion polls, Itchy. Sunday Indo anytime. Southern voters do not want to pay for NI. So NI has to pay its own way.
What do you know about fixing NI ?
Yeh, whenever I need to know about the North I read the f**king Sunday Indo. Are you off your rocker.
Who is expected to pay for NI post unification, Itchy, you muppet ? Is it DUP voters?
Take a break from the Indo Seafold and turn to the Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/uk-subvention-to-north-irrelevant-to-debate-on-irish-unity-1.4587773 (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/uk-subvention-to-north-irrelevant-to-debate-on-irish-unity-1.4587773)
UK subvention to North irrelevant to debate on Irish unity, it will have dropped to 3bn p/a a sum easily covered by the benefits of unity.
Economic debate on unity needs to move on to policy decisions needed for growth.
writes John Doyle a professor in the School of Law and Government in Dublin City University. who has writ much about all things Northern Ireland
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/John-Doyle-17915349 (https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/John-Doyle-17915349)
in particular on Debating the Cost of Irish Reunification: A Response to
'Why the Subvention does not Matter'
https://muse.jhu.edu/article/810169/pdf (https://muse.jhu.edu/article/810169/pdf)
Northern Ireland is poor. If you look at income per head, Derry,Fermanagh, Tyrone, South Armagh, North Antrim and South Down would be on a similar level to Roscommon and Monaghan.
South Antrim , North Down and North Armagh are richer , equivalent to Cavan but significantly behind Clare.
It is not enough to deal with the Subvention. NI needs to close the gap with say Munster.
Please present your data to support this statement
GDP per capita in South roughly 99k dollars, in NI it's 24k sterling.
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:15:26 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 06, 2022, 07:48:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 07:32:31 PM
From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.
And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.
There wont unless the political economy is fixed
What economy lol, doesn't matter up here, we don't have one
Nobody in the South will vote for unification if NI remains an economic basket case
ok
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 06, 2022, 09:24:56 PM
I've always considered Alliance unionist and it baffles me tbh how lads on here would attack the stoops as they call them before alliance .
Probably because Alliance are a decent party with policies other than attacking SF.
Justin McNukty get in then ? He was under big pressure I thought
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
Not a great day TBH.
Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.
Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.
How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.
[Now, to be fair, the unionist parties can't face that future and are sticking their heads in the ground with respect to the inevitable. Which doesn't help, but Sinn Fein's building of an economic case for a UI - to the public BOTH sides of the border - is utterly non existent.]
Then there is a UI as laid out in the GFA...
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:22:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:17:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:15:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 07:32:31 PM
From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.
And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.
There wont unless the political economy is fixed
Seafood, why do you make such definitive statements about something you know f**k all about lad?
Look at opinion polls, Itchy. Sunday Indo anytime. Southern voters do not want to pay for NI. So NI has to pay its own way.
What do you know about fixing NI ?
Yeh, whenever I need to know about the North I read the f**king Sunday Indo. Are you off your rocker.
Who is expected to pay for NI post unification, Itchy, you muppet ? Is it DUP voters?
It won't be "NI" it will be a 32 county Republic. If you think 2 separate entities on a tiny island is a good idea economically you need your head looked about.
Quote from: screenexile on May 06, 2022, 10:10:12 PM
Is there a case for a border poll never being won given that SF seem to have hit their ceiling and the middle ground is where the gains are to be had.
Hard to see where the extra yes votes come from to get over the 50%.
I'd say plenty of the Alliance voters would vote for unity if push comes to shove. Haven't seen anything official consensus seemed to be that a lost of Alliance transfers would go Green. Whats not talked about as well is the amount of people who don't vote at all who will come out for a border poll.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 06, 2022, 10:16:31 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 06, 2022, 10:10:12 PM
Is there a case for a border poll never being won given that SF seem to have hit their ceiling and the middle ground is where the gains are to be had.
Hard to see where the extra yes votes come from to get over the 50%.
The people in the middle can be persuaded, but SF will not do it.
All the SF bashers seem to forget that people would be voting for a United Ireland, not for Sinn Fein...
Quote from: JoG2 on May 06, 2022, 11:26:38 PM
Quote from: WT4E on May 06, 2022, 11:23:47 PM
Conor Rafferty 13 votes for Resume in Mid Ulster? What party is this and why did he stand?
https://www.derrynow.com/news/election/805189/newly-formed-party-s-candidate-withdraws-from-race-on-election-morning.html
I think the Grreen Party told people, a day or two before, not to vote for their candidate in Mid Ulster.
Not sure why though - fall out of some description maybe.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 12:09:34 AM
It will be a sad inditement of this place if Nichola Mallon loses her seat
Why?
You blaming the voters?
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 07, 2022, 08:12:09 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 06, 2022, 11:20:59 PM
Pretty much all of this is bollix.
"Straight back to the troubles". Wise yourself up.
When buses are burned and there is violence on the streets over an EU protocol that most of those on the streets couldn't tell you two accurate sentences about - you actually expect a marginal border to pass off without incident?
Have you took leave of your senses?!?
Realistically the loyalists did f**k all during the troubles without British weapons, intelligence and a police force that either openly helped or turned a blind eye. Would they get that again?
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2022, 05:48:25 AM
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2022, 10:54:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:22:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:17:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2022, 09:15:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 07:32:31 PM
From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.
And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.
There wont unless the political economy is fixed
Seafood, why do you make such definitive statements about something you know f**k all about lad?
Look at opinion polls, Itchy. Sunday Indo anytime. Southern voters do not want to pay for NI. So NI has to pay its own way.
What do you know about fixing NI ?
Yeh, whenever I need to know about the North I read the f**king Sunday Indo. Are you off your rocker.
Who is expected to pay for NI post unification, Itchy, you muppet ? Is it DUP voters?
Take a break from the Indo Seafold and turn to the Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/uk-subvention-to-north-irrelevant-to-debate-on-irish-unity-1.4587773 (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/uk-subvention-to-north-irrelevant-to-debate-on-irish-unity-1.4587773)
UK subvention to North irrelevant to debate on Irish unity, it will have dropped to 3bn p/a a sum easily covered by the benefits of unity.
Economic debate on unity needs to move on to policy decisions needed for growth.
writes John Doyle a professor in the School of Law and Government in Dublin City University. who has writ much about all things Northern Ireland
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/John-Doyle-17915349 (https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/John-Doyle-17915349)
in particular on Debating the Cost of Irish Reunification: A Response to
'Why the Subvention does not Matter'
https://muse.jhu.edu/article/810169/pdf (https://muse.jhu.edu/article/810169/pdf)
Northern Ireland is poor. If you look at income per head, Derry,Fermanagh, Tyrone, South Armagh, North Antrim and South Down would be on a similar level to Roscommon and Monaghan.
South Antrim , North Down and North Armagh are richer , equivalent to Cavan but significantly behind Clare.
It is not enough to deal with the Subvention. NI needs to close the gap with say Munster.
Have you ever drove through South Armagh? More mansions that Beverly Hills.
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 07, 2022, 09:25:37 AM
Justin McNukty get in then ? He was under big pressure I thought
Yeah, unfortunately Malone didn't do as well as I expected. No change in Newry and Armagh...
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2022, 09:42:40 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 07, 2022, 08:12:09 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 06, 2022, 11:20:59 PM
Pretty much all of this is bollix.
"Straight back to the troubles". Wise yourself up.
When buses are burned and there is violence on the streets over an EU protocol that most of those on the streets couldn't tell you two accurate sentences about - you actually expect a marginal border to pass off without incident?
Have you took leave of your senses?!?
Realistically the loyalists did f**k all during the troubles without British weapons, intelligence and a police force that either openly helped or turned a blind eye. Would they get that again?
That is a fair point - could they operate without that?
But if they have a sizeable support base (5-10% NoI population would be enough) then after the initial riots settle, they'd likely be able to cause ongoing sporadic trouble (which would still be fatal for those on the end of it obviously).
They already have the weapons. They're now well set up as drug dealing thugs so would know were to procure more ammo.
*how much money toward "community groups" ends up in the hands of paramilitaries? I'd be confident its a pretty significant amount.
Quote from: marty34 on May 07, 2022, 09:39:29 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 12:09:34 AM
It will be a sad inditement of this place if Nichola Mallon loses her seat
Why?
You blaming the voters?
I think she was a good worker , yes I suppose I would find it odd to see why she would be voted out in the same way Id argue in favour of robin swann
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2022, 09:34:22 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 06, 2022, 10:10:12 PM
Is there a case for a border poll never being won given that SF seem to have hit their ceiling and the middle ground is where the gains are to be had.
Hard to see where the extra yes votes come from to get over the 50%.
I'd say plenty of the Alliance voters would vote for unity if push comes to shove. Haven't seen anything official consensus seemed to be that a lost of Alliance transfers would go Green. Whats not talked about as well is the amount of people who don't vote at all who will come out for a border poll.
https://fortnightmagazine.org/articles/should-we-believe-the-opinion-polls-on-unification/
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2022, 09:24:25 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 06, 2022, 09:24:56 PM
I've always considered Alliance unionist and it baffles me tbh how lads on here would attack the stoops as they call them before alliance .
Probably because Alliance are a decent party with policies other than attacking SF.
What are those policies , I'm not sure of them tbh, sitting on the fence happy with status quo, ie happy with the Union
I'm not in her constituency but she seems a very capable individual. A huge blow for the SDLP if she loses out.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 07, 2022, 09:56:42 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2022, 09:42:40 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 07, 2022, 08:12:09 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 06, 2022, 11:20:59 PM
Pretty much all of this is bollix.
"Straight back to the troubles". Wise yourself up.
When buses are burned and there is violence on the streets over an EU protocol that most of those on the streets couldn't tell you two accurate sentences about - you actually expect a marginal border to pass off without incident?
Have you took leave of your senses?!?
Realistically the loyalists did f**k all during the troubles without British weapons, intelligence and a police force that either openly helped or turned a blind eye. Would they get that again?
That is a fair point - could they operate without that?
But if they have a sizeable support base (5-10% NoI population would be enough) then after the initial riots settle, they'd likely be able to cause ongoing sporadic trouble (which would still be fatal for those on the end of it obviously).
They already have the weapons. They're now well set up as drug dealing thugs so would know were to procure more ammo.
*how much money toward "community groups" ends up in the hands of paramilitaries? I'd be confident its a pretty significant amount.
The problem is that violent 1% will be there regardless. They are the ones that will never be swayed. So if it's 70-30 pro UI. Do you still hold off due to the 1%. 80-20? Where do you say, right, the will of the people shouldn't be stopped due to an unlawful 1%.
* I don't think there should be one anytime since btw.
Everyone on here knows I'm no fan of SF but honestly I don't rate Hargey at all
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 07, 2022, 08:12:09 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 06, 2022, 11:20:59 PM
Pretty much all of this is bollix.
"Straight back to the troubles". Wise yourself up.
When buses are burned and there is violence on the streets over an EU protocol that most of those on the streets couldn't tell you two accurate sentences about - you actually expect a marginal border to pass off without incident?
Have you took leave of your senses?!?
A lot of the focus in any discussion of a UI is on what will happen up here. The elephant in the room is the south! Would there be enough people in the south in favour.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 07, 2022, 10:11:47 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 07, 2022, 09:56:42 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2022, 09:42:40 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 07, 2022, 08:12:09 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 06, 2022, 11:20:59 PM
Pretty much all of this is bollix.
"Straight back to the troubles". Wise yourself up.
When buses are burned and there is violence on the streets over an EU protocol that most of those on the streets couldn't tell you two accurate sentences about - you actually expect a marginal border to pass off without incident?
Have you took leave of your senses?!?
Realistically the loyalists did f**k all during the troubles without British weapons, intelligence and a police force that either openly helped or turned a blind eye. Would they get that again?
That is a fair point - could they operate without that?
But if they have a sizeable support base (5-10% NoI population would be enough) then after the initial riots settle, they'd likely be able to cause ongoing sporadic trouble (which would still be fatal for those on the end of it obviously).
They already have the weapons. They're now well set up as drug dealing thugs so would know were to procure more ammo.
*how much money toward "community groups" ends up in the hands of paramilitaries? I'd be confident its a pretty significant amount.
The problem is that violent 1% will be there regardless. They are the ones that will never be swayed. So if it's 70-30 pro UI. Do you still hold off due to the 1%. 80-20? Where do you say, right, the will of the people shouldn't be stopped due to an unlawful 1%.
* I don't think there should be one anytime since btw.
f**k them. To be perfectly honest I wouldn't give them a second thought.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 10:12:31 AM
Everyone on here knows I'm no fan of SF but honestly I don't rate Hargey at all
Shocker there! ;D
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2022, 09:22:09 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 09:15:26 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 06, 2022, 07:48:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2022, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 06, 2022, 07:32:31 PM
From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.
And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.
There wont unless the political economy is fixed
What economy lol, doesn't matter up here, we don't have one
Nobody in the South will vote for unification if NI remains an economic basket case
ok
Thankfully old Seafood, although a self elected expert in everything, does not speak for everyone in the south. Me and everyone of my family would vote for a unified Ireland no matter what state the North was in. But of course Seafood is getting his information laughably from the Sunday Indo which is Irelands most mostest West Brit paper.
A poll in Dec 2021 showed a large majority in the south would vote for a united ireland in the South. So don't mind old Seafood, he's obviously struggling to come to terms with the reality of what's happening in the 6 counties.
Quote from: Armamike on May 07, 2022, 10:15:24 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 07, 2022, 08:12:09 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 06, 2022, 11:20:59 PM
Pretty much all of this is bollix.
"Straight back to the troubles". Wise yourself up.
When buses are burned and there is violence on the streets over an EU protocol that most of those on the streets couldn't tell you two accurate sentences about - you actually expect a marginal border to pass off without incident?
Have you took leave of your senses?!?
A lot of the focus in any discussion of a UI is on what will happen up here. The elephant in the room is the south! Would there be enough people in the south in favour.
Of course there is. Put it this way, which party in South would actively canvas against it? Not even FG would.
Yeah seafoid actually thought Newtownards was full of money! It's actually a shithole
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2022, 10:20:24 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 10:12:31 AM
Everyone on here knows I'm no fan of SF but honestly I don't rate Hargey at all
Shocker there! ;D
Lol. Curve ball
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2022, 09:25:54 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
Not a great day TBH.
Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.
Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.
How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.
[Now, to be fair, the unionist parties can't face that future and are sticking their heads in the ground with respect to the inevitable. Which doesn't help, but Sinn Fein's building of an economic case for a UI - to the public BOTH sides of the border - is utterly non existent.]
Then there is a UI as laid out in the GFA...
Not unless we in the 26 vote for it too.
Takes 2 to have a wedding.
To save me the trouble of going through Constituencies - has anyone the total 1st Prefs for Nationalist (SF, SDLP, Aontú, PBP) and Unionist (DUP UUP, TUV, Easton, Sugden)
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 10:04:45 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 07, 2022, 09:39:29 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 12:09:34 AM
It will be a sad inditement of this place if Nichola Mallon loses her seat
Why?
You blaming the voters?
What's her top 5 achievements during her tenure?
I think she was a good worker , yes I suppose I would find it odd to see why she would be voted out in the same way Id argue in favour of robin swann
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 07, 2022, 09:56:42 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2022, 09:42:40 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 07, 2022, 08:12:09 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 06, 2022, 11:20:59 PM
Pretty much all of this is bollix.
"Straight back to the troubles". Wise yourself up.
When buses are burned and there is violence on the streets over an EU protocol that most of those on the streets couldn't tell you two accurate sentences about - you actually expect a marginal border to pass off without incident?
Have you took leave of your senses?!?
Realistically the loyalists did f**k all during the troubles without British weapons, intelligence and a police force that either openly helped or turned a blind eye. Would they get that again?
That is a fair point - could they operate without that?
But if they have a sizeable support base (5-10% NoI population would be enough) then after the initial riots settle, they'd likely be able to cause ongoing sporadic trouble (which would still be fatal for those on the end of it obviously).
They already have the weapons. They're now well set up as drug dealing thugs so would know were to procure more ammo.
*how much money toward "community groups" ends up in the hands of paramilitaries? I'd be confident its a pretty significant amount.
They will be in the same position as dissent republicans are now, small hardcore support in some areas but will be infiltrated by the spooks and not fit to raise much of a stir. Unfortunately like Lyra Mc Kee there may be one or two people killed but nothing sustained.
Quote from: The Subbie on May 07, 2022, 10:38:21 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 10:04:45 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 07, 2022, 09:39:29 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 12:09:34 AM
It will be a sad inditement of this place if Nichola Mallon loses her seat
Why?
You blaming the voters?
What's her top 5 achievements during her tenure?
I think she was a good worker , yes I suppose I would find it odd to see why she would be voted out in the same way Id argue in favour of robin swann
https://www.infrastructure-ni.gov.uk/news/mallon-looks-back-two-years-infrastructure-minister
Interesting that Paul Givan clearly said DUP need to get back into Stormont as soon as to get back to work, slightly at odds with Jeffrey etc
I see Houston is eliminated from strangford by about 40 votes ffs. I don't get why nationalists leaning voters would give alliance a preference over SF or SDLP here, same in LV. The same reason why nationalists will never get anywhere in EB or ND there seems to be a well we can't win anyway attitude. That's fine for FPTP election but not STV. This despite all the hype is the usual disappointing election for nationalism. We are stuck at 42% despite 20 years of huge demographic shift!!!
Here's a question one for ye, Alliance now more a nationalist based party than unionist?
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 12:09:34 AM
It will be a sad inditement of this place if Nichola Mallon loses her seat
Why?
You blaming the voters?
What's her top 5 achievements during her tenure?
I think she was a good worker , yes I suppose I would find it odd to see why she would be voted out in the same way Id argue in favour of robin swann
https://www.infrastructure-ni.gov.uk/news/mallon-looks-back-two-years-infrastructure-minister
So she picked up and rubber stamped an already developed list of priority infrastructure projects
If that's it that's a wee bit underwhelming to be honest
Did she initiate any new procurement processes in tendering ?
Did she parcel up delivery of multiple projects into delivery programmes to provide longevity of work & value to the taxpayer
The list of "achievements " you attribute to her were defined as projects , scoped up as projects & developed as projects by others
She's come in at the final 1/2 lap & press releases them for the kudos - which isn't what I originally asked
What can you legitimately point at as a "pure bred" achievement of her time in that portfolio or what has she , solely , delivered for her constituents ? Stand alone , tangible , real & positive examples , I'm curious
What you say above about Mallon, I think you could say about 80% of MLA, There's many a independent better qualified than big party reps, who don't get near it as they no affiliation.
See someone mentioned Hargey previously. She hardly been standing out with the Benefit assessments mess.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on May 07, 2022, 10:58:22 AM
I see Houston is eliminated from strangford by about 40 votes ffs. I don't get why nationalists leaning voters would give alliance a preference over SF or SDLP here, same in LV. The same reason why nationalists will never get anywhere in EB or ND there seems to be a well we can't win anyway attitude. That's fine for FPTP election but not STV. This despite all the hype is the usual disappointing election for nationalism. We are stuck at 42% despite 20 years of huge demographic shift!!!
I think I questioned the decision of the SDLP of selecting Houston over the local Joe Boyle who was pipped at the post last time.
All politics is local, Armstrong is local with a social media presence which seems to cut through in the female nationalist vote evidently.
Was there not something untoward went on round portaferry that led to a change in sdlp or was that council level?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2022, 11:18:55 AM
What you say above about Mallon, I think you could say about 80% of MLA, There's many a independent better qualified than big party reps, who don't get near it as they no affiliation.
Very likely true
The point was made earlier by fear bun that the idea off Nicola Mallon loosing her seat was a sad inditement of the place
I'm just curious what makes her so different from anyone else loosing a seat ?
Has she done something good that the voters just didn't get or wasn't promoted enough?
What is it exactly that her constituents are going to miss out on or what is it exactly that the broader body politic will miss out on by her absence?
Genuine curiosity like I said
Hopefully Boris will make Jeffrey a promise on the Protocol and we can get Stormont up and running. Sure he can break it later.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 10:04:45 AM
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 12:09:34 AM
It will be a sad inditement of this place if Nichola Mallon loses her seat
Why?
You blaming the voters?
I think she was a good worker , yes I suppose I would find it odd to see why she would be voted out in the same way Id argue in favour of robin swann
Are you sure?
Check out her work on the MOT issues and taxi issues under her watch.
Don't conflate that she's a decent person and comes across well with the work that she's done.
The media pressing SF hard on the border poll...
Just say we are dealing with the here and now, down the road once there is dialogue (hate that word) on how it would look like and what plans would need to be put in place before it is even thought of..
You're woman on bbc ex DUP had a friendship with Ian Og is a c**k
Quote from: Itchy on May 07, 2022, 11:06:06 AM
Here's a question one for ye, Alliance now more a nationalist based party than unionist?
Their voters are considerably more green than orange looking at transfer patterns. Unfortunately the party itself is status quo ie Unionist. They can spoof all they want but they are and they have no interest in a UI or unity poll unless it's forced on them. Even if some or many of the representatives actually want a UI they don't say shit. Look how quickly Anna Lo was shut down for going solo. Same goes for the bizarre 32 County socialist PBP who don't want to designate lol
Isn't everybody incl SF "Status Quo" by negotiating/accepting the GFA?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2022, 11:21:41 AM
See someone mentioned Hargey previously. She hardly been standing out with the Benefit assessments mess.
She's not qualified or able for the job
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Here's a question one for ye, Alliance now more a nationalist based party than unionist?
No
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 12:09:34 AM
It will be a sad inditement of this place if Nichola Mallon loses her seat
Why?
You blaming the voters?
What's her top 5 achievements during her tenure?
I think she was a good worker , yes I suppose I would find it odd to see why she would be voted out in the same way Id argue in favour of robin swann
https://www.infrastructure-ni.gov.uk/news/mallon-looks-back-two-years-infrastructure-minister
So she picked up and rubber stamped an already developed list of priority infrastructure projects
If that's it that's a wee bit underwhelming to be honest
Did she initiate any new procurement processes in tendering ?
Did she parcel up delivery of multiple projects into delivery programmes to provide longevity of work & value to the taxpayer
The list of "achievements " you attribute to her were defined as projects , scoped up as projects & developed as projects by others
She's come in at the final 1/2 lap & press releases them for the kudos - which isn't what I originally asked
What can you legitimately point at as a "pure bred" achievement of her time in that portfolio or what has she , solely , delivered for her constituents ? Stand alone , tangible , real & positive examples , I'm curious
She was of course picking up after 3 years of no infrastructure development at all because SF/DUP sat on their holes. Where is this irish language act which caused us so much pain. Btw gone you list what the rest have done
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 12:09:34 AM
It will be a sad inditement of this place if Nichola Mallon loses her seat
Why?
You blaming the voters?
I think she was a good worker , yes I suppose I would find it odd to see why she would be voted out in the same way Id argue in favour of robin swann
Are you sure?
Check out her work on the MOT issues and taxi issues under her watch.
Don't conflate that she's a decent person and comes across well with the work that she's done.
Mot. Wise up , glad I didn't have to do one lol
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Quote from: marty34 on May 07, 2022, 09:39:29 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 12:09:34 AM
It will be a sad inditement of this place if Nichola Mallon loses her seat
Why?
You blaming the voters?
What's her top 5 achievements during her tenure?
I think she was a good worker , yes I suppose I would find it odd to see why she would be voted out in the same way Id argue in favour of robin swann
https://www.infrastructure-ni.gov.uk/news/mallon-looks-back-two-years-infrastructure-minister
So she picked up and rubber stamped an already developed list of priority infrastructure projects
If that's it that's a wee bit underwhelming to be honest
Did she initiate any new procurement processes in tendering ?
Did she parcel up delivery of multiple projects into delivery programmes to provide longevity of work & value to the taxpayer
The list of "achievements " you attribute to her were defined as projects , scoped up as projects & developed as projects by others
She's come in at the final 1/2 lap & press releases them for the kudos - which isn't what I originally asked
What can you legitimately point at as a "pure bred" achievement of her time in that portfolio or what has she , solely , delivered for her constituents ? Stand alone , tangible , real & positive examples , I'm curious
She was of course picking up after 3 years of no infrastructure development at all because SF/DUP sat on their holes. Where is this irish language act which caused us so much pain. Btw gone you list what the rest have done
I have a healthy enough cynicism for politicians and their achievements but you are the person telling anyone who will listen that the assembly will be the poorer place without Mallon , you still haven't said why that is .
Like I said , I'm genuinely curious why you would say that
If you can't substantiate what you are saying that's fair enough
Maybe the electorate of North Belfast know more than you do .........
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 12:09:34 AM
It will be a sad inditement of this place if Nichola Mallon loses her seat
Why?
You blaming the voters?
What's her top 5 achievements during her tenure?
I think she was a good worker , yes I suppose I would find it odd to see why she would be voted out in the same way Id argue in favour of robin swann
https://www.infrastructure-ni.gov.uk/news/mallon-looks-back-two-years-infrastructure-minister
So she picked up and rubber stamped an already developed list of priority infrastructure projects
If that's it that's a wee bit underwhelming to be honest
Did she initiate any new procurement processes in tendering ?
Did she parcel up delivery of multiple projects into delivery programmes to provide longevity of work & value to the taxpayer
The list of "achievements " you attribute to her were defined as projects , scoped up as projects & developed as projects by others
She's come in at the final 1/2 lap & press releases them for the kudos - which isn't what I originally asked
What can you legitimately point at as a "pure bred" achievement of her time in that portfolio or what has she , solely , delivered for her constituents ? Stand alone , tangible , real & positive examples , I'm curious
She was of course picking up after 3 years of no infrastructure development at all because SF/DUP sat on their holes. Where is this irish language act which caused us so much pain. Btw gone you list what the rest have done
I have a healthy enough cynicism for politicians and their achievements but you are the person telling anyone who will listen that the assembly will be the poorer place without Mallon , you still haven't said why that is .
Like I said , I'm genuinely curious why you would say that
If you can't substantiate what you are saying that's fair enough
Maybe the electorate of North Belfast know more than you do .........
I did say in my last post, you just didn't like it, sorry I can't say no more.
Sad state of affairs when the green party didn't make it in South Belfast. Did nationalists really consider their transfers to Alliance. I think not. The GP stood aside for SDLP but Alliance refused to in the recent Westminster (Brexit) election. Shameful. Hopefully this is a wake up call for the party.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 12:09:34 AM
It will be a sad inditement of this place if Nichola Mallon loses her seat
Why?
You blaming the voters?
What's her top 5 achievements during her tenure?
I think she was a good worker , yes I suppose I would find it odd to see why she would be voted out in the same way Id argue in favour of robin swann
https://www.infrastructure-ni.gov.uk/news/mallon-looks-back-two-years-infrastructure-minister
So she picked up and rubber stamped an already developed list of priority infrastructure projects
If that's it that's a wee bit underwhelming to be honest
Did she initiate any new procurement processes in tendering ?
Did she parcel up delivery of multiple projects into delivery programmes to provide longevity of work & value to the taxpayer
The list of "achievements " you attribute to her were defined as projects , scoped up as projects & developed as projects by others
She's come in at the final 1/2 lap & press releases them for the kudos - which isn't what I originally asked
What can you legitimately point at as a "pure bred" achievement of her time in that portfolio or what has she , solely , delivered for her constituents ? Stand alone , tangible , real & positive examples , I'm curious
She was of course picking up after 3 years of no infrastructure development at all because SF/DUP sat on their holes. Where is this irish language act which caused us so much pain. Btw gone you list what the rest have done
I have a healthy enough cynicism for politicians and their achievements but you are the person telling anyone who will listen that the assembly will be the poorer place without Mallon , you still haven't said why that is .
Like I said , I'm genuinely curious why you would say that
If you can't substantiate what you are saying that's fair enough
Maybe the electorate of North Belfast know more than you do .........
He's had a bad day yesterday - results didn't go his way and it's everybody else's fault.
Blames the electorate for not picking his candidates...lol.
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Quote from: marty34 on May 07, 2022, 09:39:29 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 12:09:34 AM
It will be a sad inditement of this place if Nichola Mallon loses her seat
Why?
You blaming the voters?
What's her top 5 achievements during her tenure?
I think she was a good worker , yes I suppose I would find it odd to see why she would be voted out in the same way Id argue in favour of robin swann
https://www.infrastructure-ni.gov.uk/news/mallon-looks-back-two-years-infrastructure-minister
So she picked up and rubber stamped an already developed list of priority infrastructure projects
If that's it that's a wee bit underwhelming to be honest
Did she initiate any new procurement processes in tendering ?
Did she parcel up delivery of multiple projects into delivery programmes to provide longevity of work & value to the taxpayer
The list of "achievements " you attribute to her were defined as projects , scoped up as projects & developed as projects by others
She's come in at the final 1/2 lap & press releases them for the kudos - which isn't what I originally asked
What can you legitimately point at as a "pure bred" achievement of her time in that portfolio or what has she , solely , delivered for her constituents ? Stand alone , tangible , real & positive examples , I'm curious
She was of course picking up after 3 years of no infrastructure development at all because SF/DUP sat on their holes. Where is this irish language act which caused us so much pain. Btw gone you list what the rest have done
I have a healthy enough cynicism for politicians and their achievements but you are the person telling anyone who will listen that the assembly will be the poorer place without Mallon , you still haven't said why that is .
Like I said , I'm genuinely curious why you would say that
If you can't substantiate what you are saying that's fair enough
Maybe the electorate of North Belfast know more than you do .........
I did say in my last post, you just didn't like it, sorry I can't say no more.
Not really a like / dislike situation here fear
You made a statement & couldn't back it up with any facts
It happens
Jim Allister should change his party's name from TUV to Mé Féin ;D
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Quote from: marty34 on May 07, 2022, 09:39:29 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 12:09:34 AM
It will be a sad inditement of this place if Nichola Mallon loses her seat
Why?
You blaming the voters?
What's her top 5 achievements during her tenure?
I think she was a good worker , yes I suppose I would find it odd to see why she would be voted out in the same way Id argue in favour of robin swann
https://www.infrastructure-ni.gov.uk/news/mallon-looks-back-two-years-infrastructure-minister
So she picked up and rubber stamped an already developed list of priority infrastructure projects
If that's it that's a wee bit underwhelming to be honest
Did she initiate any new procurement processes in tendering ?
Did she parcel up delivery of multiple projects into delivery programmes to provide longevity of work & value to the taxpayer
The list of "achievements " you attribute to her were defined as projects , scoped up as projects & developed as projects by others
She's come in at the final 1/2 lap & press releases them for the kudos - which isn't what I originally asked
What can you legitimately point at as a "pure bred" achievement of her time in that portfolio or what has she , solely , delivered for her constituents ? Stand alone , tangible , real & positive examples , I'm curious
She was of course picking up after 3 years of no infrastructure development at all because SF/DUP sat on their holes. Where is this irish language act which caused us so much pain. Btw gone you list what the rest have done
I have a healthy enough cynicism for politicians and their achievements but you are the person telling anyone who will listen that the assembly will be the poorer place without Mallon , you still haven't said why that is .
Like I said , I'm genuinely curious why you would say that
If you can't substantiate what you are saying that's fair enough
Maybe the electorate of North Belfast know more than you do .........
I did say in my last post, you just didn't like it, sorry I can't say no more.
Not really a like / dislike situation here fear
You made a statement & couldn't back it up with any facts
It happens
I sent you a link . You double click on these things, get one of your wains to show you
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 12:09:34 AM
It will be a sad inditement of this place if Nichola Mallon loses her seat
Why?
You blaming the voters?
What's her top 5 achievements during her tenure?
I think she was a good worker , yes I suppose I would find it odd to see why she would be voted out in the same way Id argue in favour of robin swann
https://www.infrastructure-ni.gov.uk/news/mallon-looks-back-two-years-infrastructure-minister
So she picked up and rubber stamped an already developed list of priority infrastructure projects
If that's it that's a wee bit underwhelming to be honest
Did she initiate any new procurement processes in tendering ?
Did she parcel up delivery of multiple projects into delivery programmes to provide longevity of work & value to the taxpayer
The list of "achievements " you attribute to her were defined as projects , scoped up as projects & developed as projects by others
She's come in at the final 1/2 lap & press releases them for the kudos - which isn't what I originally asked
What can you legitimately point at as a "pure bred" achievement of her time in that portfolio or what has she , solely , delivered for her constituents ? Stand alone , tangible , real & positive examples , I'm curious
She was of course picking up after 3 years of no infrastructure development at all because SF/DUP sat on their holes. Where is this irish language act which caused us so much pain. Btw gone you list what the rest have done
I have a healthy enough cynicism for politicians and their achievements but you are the person telling anyone who will listen that the assembly will be the poorer place without Mallon , you still haven't said why that is .
Like I said , I'm genuinely curious why you would say that
If you can't substantiate what you are saying that's fair enough
Maybe the electorate of North Belfast know more than you do .........
He's had a bad day yesterday - results didn't go his way and it's everybody else's fault.
Blames the electorate for not picking his candidates...lol.
I had a fantastic day away with my daughter ,really enjoyed it. Aontú also beat PBP so I'm happy .
Mervyn Storey - TUV screwed him over by not transferring. Hilarious
Quote from: pbat on May 07, 2022, 01:43:34 PM
Mervyn Storey - TUV screwed him over by not transferring. Hilarious
TUV not transferring to other unionist to the extent they should have is a big story of this election too. The fact they won't increase their seats despite a sizeable increase in 1st preference votes is very amusing.
DUP down to one seat in North Antrim is incredible.
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Not a great day TBH.
Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.
Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.
How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.
[Now, to be fair, the unionist parties can't face that future and are sticking their heads in the ground with respect to the inevitable. Which doesn't help, but Sinn Fein's building of an economic case for a UI - to the public BOTH sides of the border - is utterly non existent.]
Then there is a UI as laid out in the GFA...
Not unless we in the 26 vote for it too.
Takes 2 to have a wedding.
To save me the trouble of going through Constituencies - has anyone the total 1st Prefs for Nationalist (SF, SDLP, Aontú, PBP) and Unionist (DUP UUP, TUV, Easton, Sugden)
Could you imagine people in the 26 campaigning against a United Ireland if it was there for the taking?
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 12:09:34 AM
It will be a sad inditement of this place if Nichola Mallon loses her seat
Why?
You blaming the voters?
What's her top 5 achievements during her tenure?
I think she was a good worker , yes I suppose I would find it odd to see why she would be voted out in the same way Id argue in favour of robin swann
https://www.infrastructure-ni.gov.uk/news/mallon-looks-back-two-years-infrastructure-minister
So she picked up and rubber stamped an already developed list of priority infrastructure projects
If that's it that's a wee bit underwhelming to be honest
Did she initiate any new procurement processes in tendering ?
Did she parcel up delivery of multiple projects into delivery programmes to provide longevity of work & value to the taxpayer
The list of "achievements " you attribute to her were defined as projects , scoped up as projects & developed as projects by others
She's come in at the final 1/2 lap & press releases them for the kudos - which isn't what I originally asked
What can you legitimately point at as a "pure bred" achievement of her time in that portfolio or what has she , solely , delivered for her constituents ? Stand alone , tangible , real & positive examples , I'm curious
She was of course picking up after 3 years of no infrastructure development at all because SF/DUP sat on their holes. Where is this irish language act which caused us so much pain. Btw gone you list what the rest have done
I have a healthy enough cynicism for politicians and their achievements but you are the person telling anyone who will listen that the assembly will be the poorer place without Mallon , you still haven't said why that is .
Like I said , I'm genuinely curious why you would say that
If you can't substantiate what you are saying that's fair enough
Maybe the electorate of North Belfast know more than you do .........
I did say in my last post, you just didn't like it, sorry I can't say no more.
Not really a like / dislike situation here fear
You made a statement & couldn't back it up with any facts
It happens
I sent you a link . You double click on these things, get one of your wains to show you
That propaganda / press release you posted there a while ago ? 🤣🤣🤣
You couldn't point to a single thing that Mallon has done that backs up why her absence is so horrific!
Not one
Pathetic attempt there fear. I thought you could at least get one or two things that would demonstrate Mallon's positive influence , you couldn't even manage one
Well done . A true titan of discussion indeed ........
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Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 06, 2022, 11:20:59 PM
Pretty much all of this is bollix.
"Straight back to the troubles". Wise yourself up.
When buses are burned and there is violence on the streets over an EU protocol that most of those on the streets couldn't tell you two accurate sentences about - you actually expect a marginal border to pass off without incident?
Have you took leave of your senses?!?
Realistically the loyalists did f**k all during the troubles without British weapons, intelligence and a police force that either openly helped or turned a blind eye. Would they get that again?
That is a fair point - could they operate without that?
But if they have a sizeable support base (5-10% NoI population would be enough) then after the initial riots settle, they'd likely be able to cause ongoing sporadic trouble (which would still be fatal for those on the end of it obviously).
They already have the weapons. They're now well set up as drug dealing thugs so would know were to procure more ammo.
*how much money toward "community groups" ends up in the hands of paramilitaries? I'd be confident its a pretty significant amount.
They will be in the same position as dissent republicans are now, small hardcore support in some areas but will be infiltrated by the spooks and not fit to raise much of a stir. Unfortunately like Lyra Mc Kee there may be one or two people killed but nothing sustained.
Realistically we can't be letting a few hundred gobshites like that hold the thing back. On either side
Quote from: pbat on May 07, 2022, 01:43:34 PM
Mervyn Storey - TUV screwed him over by not transferring. Hilarious
Yeah, transfers have such a big impact.
Hard to believe wee Jim will have nobody else in with him. A lot of votes, protest votes but nobody transferring to them and they themselves don't transfer to the DUP.
Ironic alright.
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Not a great day TBH.
Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.
Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.
How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.
[Now, to be fair, the unionist parties can't face that future and are sticking their heads in the ground with respect to the inevitable. Which doesn't help, but Sinn Fein's building of an economic case for a UI - to the public BOTH sides of the border - is utterly non existent.]
Then there is a UI as laid out in the GFA...
Not unless we in the 26 vote for it too.
Takes 2 to have a wedding.
To save me the trouble of going through Constituencies - has anyone the total 1st Prefs for Nationalist (SF, SDLP, Aontú, PBP) and Unionist (DUP UUP, TUV, Easton, Sugden)
Could you imagine people in the 26 campaigning against a United Ireland if it was there for the taking?
It isn't there for the taking. It has to be planned and it hasn't been
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Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2022, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 07, 2022, 10:36:20 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2022, 09:25:54 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
Not a great day TBH.
Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.
Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.
How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.
[Now, to be fair, the unionist parties can't face that future and are sticking their heads in the ground with respect to the inevitable. Which doesn't help, but Sinn Fein's building of an economic case for a UI - to the public BOTH sides of the border - is utterly non existent.]
Then there is a UI as laid out in the GFA...
Not unless we in the 26 vote for it too.
Takes 2 to have a wedding.
To save me the trouble of going through Constituencies - has anyone the total 1st Prefs for Nationalist (SF, SDLP, Aontú, PBP) and Unionist (DUP UUP, TUV, Easton, Sugden)
Could you imagine people in the 26 campaigning against a United Ireland if it was there for the taking?
It isn't there for the taking. It has to be planned and it hasn't been
Hasn't been planned YET by FF, FG, Labour etc despite SF pleas to get it up and running.
Is there a page showing seats lost/gained? BBC NI who usually do Stirling work have a very poor results page on their website. Even RTÉ is better.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 12:09:34 AM
It will be a sad inditement of this place if Nichola Mallon loses her seat
Why?
You blaming the voters?
What's her top 5 achievements during her tenure?
I think she was a good worker , yes I suppose I would find it odd to see why she would be voted out in the same way Id argue in favour of robin swann
https://www.infrastructure-ni.gov.uk/news/mallon-looks-back-two-years-infrastructure-minister
So she picked up and rubber stamped an already developed list of priority infrastructure projects
If that's it that's a wee bit underwhelming to be honest
Did she initiate any new procurement processes in tendering ?
Did she parcel up delivery of multiple projects into delivery programmes to provide longevity of work & value to the taxpayer
The list of "achievements " you attribute to her were defined as projects , scoped up as projects & developed as projects by others
She's come in at the final 1/2 lap & press releases them for the kudos - which isn't what I originally asked
What can you legitimately point at as a "pure bred" achievement of her time in that portfolio or what has she , solely , delivered for her constituents ? Stand alone , tangible , real & positive examples , I'm curious
She was of course picking up after 3 years of no infrastructure development at all because SF/DUP sat on their holes. Where is this irish language act which caused us so much pain. Btw gone you list what the rest have done
I have a healthy enough cynicism for politicians and their achievements but you are the person telling anyone who will listen that the assembly will be the poorer place without Mallon , you still haven't said why that is .
Like I said , I'm genuinely curious why you would say that
If you can't substantiate what you are saying that's fair enough
Maybe the electorate of North Belfast know more than you do .........
I did say in my last post, you just didn't like it, sorry I can't say no more.
Not really a like / dislike situation here fear
You made a statement & couldn't back it up with any facts
It happens
I sent you a link . You double click on these things, get one of your wains to show you
That propaganda / press release you posted there a while ago ? 🤣🤣🤣
You couldn't point to a single thing that Mallon has done that backs up why her absence is so horrific!
Not one
Pathetic attempt there fear. I thought you could at least get one or two things that would demonstrate Mallon's positive influence , you couldn't even manage one
Well done . A true titan of discussion indeed ........
She didn't write it , have you bothered to read it.
Quote from: trileacman on May 07, 2022, 02:28:06 PM
Is there a page showing seats lost/gained? BBC NI who usually do Stirling work have a very poor results page on their website. Even RTÉ is better.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/northern_ireland that link shows seats gained/lost at the top but doesnt show where the seats were won/lost
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2022, 10:24:07 AM
Yeah seafoid actually thought Newtownards was full of money! It's actually a shithole
So is most of Belfast. It's all relative
Quote from: Itchy on May 07, 2022, 02:21:48 PM
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Quote from: Rossfan on May 07, 2022, 10:36:20 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2022, 09:25:54 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
Not a great day TBH.
Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.
Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.
How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.
[Now, to be fair, the unionist parties can't face that future and are sticking their heads in the ground with respect to the inevitable. Which doesn't help, but Sinn Fein's building of an economic case for a UI - to the public BOTH sides of the border - is utterly non existent.]
Then there is a UI as laid out in the GFA...
Not unless we in the 26 vote for it too.
Takes 2 to have a wedding.
To save me the trouble of going through Constituencies - has anyone the total 1st Prefs for Nationalist (SF, SDLP, Aontú, PBP) and Unionist (DUP UUP, TUV, Easton, Sugden)
Could you imagine people in the 26 campaigning against a United Ireland if it was there for the taking?
It isn't there for the taking. It has to be planned and it hasn't been
Hasn't been planned YET by FF, FG, Labour etc despite SF pleas to get it up and running.
It's less popular in the south than the Tailteann Cup
Quote from: Itchy on May 07, 2022, 11:06:06 AM
Here's a question one for ye, Alliance now more a nationalist based party than unionist?
i would say so yes.
By my reckoning
SF +SDLP + Aontú+PBP = 351,200.
DUPUDA +UUP +TUVUDA = 346,180.
Alliance 116,681
Greens 16,433
Independents (2 Unionist?) 25,315
Others 6,894.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2022, 02:47:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 07, 2022, 11:06:06 AM
Here's a question one for ye, Alliance now more a nationalist based party than unionist?
i would say so yes.
But they are not "nationalist based". They are happy to remain within the Union
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2022, 02:09:46 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2022, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 07, 2022, 10:36:20 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2022, 09:25:54 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
Not a great day TBH.
Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.
Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.
How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.
[Now, to be fair, the unionist parties can't face that future and are sticking their heads in the ground with respect to the inevitable. Which doesn't help, but Sinn Fein's building of an economic case for a UI - to the public BOTH sides of the border - is utterly non existent.]
Then there is a UI as laid out in the GFA...
Not unless we in the 26 vote for it too.
Takes 2 to have a wedding.
To save me the trouble of going through Constituencies - has anyone the total 1st Prefs for Nationalist (SF, SDLP, Aontú, PBP) and Unionist (DUP UUP, TUV, Easton, Sugden)
Could you imagine people in the 26 campaigning against a United Ireland if it was there for the taking?
It isn't there for the taking. It has to be planned and it hasn't been
Read it again. I said "if". When push comes to shove I'd be confident that a huge majority in the 26 would be in favour
Quote from: Rossfan on May 07, 2022, 02:48:06 PM
By my reckoning
SF +SDLP + Aontú+PBP = 351,200.
DUPUDA +UUP +TUVUDA = 346,180.
Alliance 116,681
Greens 16,433
Independents (2 Unionist?) 25,315
Others 6,894.
Gavin Malone would be nationalist, he got something like 3k first preference. Border poll is gonna be decided by how that Alliance/Green vote splits, plus the non voters.
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2022, 02:40:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2022, 10:24:07 AM
Yeah seafoid actually thought Newtownards was full of money! It's actually a shithole
So is most of Belfast. It's all relative
But it was your 'knowledge' I was knocking as you clearly hadn't a clue, which is telling tbh. So when you post about the north being a basket case I'll take it with a pinch of salt ;)
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2022, 02:47:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 07, 2022, 11:06:06 AM
Here's a question one for ye, Alliance now more a nationalist based party than unionist?
i would say so yes.
Hard to know.
I'd say 'nationalists' are voting for Alliance, and giving them transfers in areas like Strangford, and nth. Antrim etc.
Nationalist parties should sort out a pact in Strangford, East Antrim and Lagan Valley etc. to get a nationalist elected.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2022, 02:55:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2022, 02:40:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2022, 10:24:07 AM
Yeah seafoid actually thought Newtownards was full of money! It's actually a shithole
So is most of Belfast. It's all relative
But it was your 'knowledge' I was knocking as you clearly hadn't a clue, which is telling tbh. So when you post about the north being a basket case I'll take it with a pinch of salt ;)
It's based on a map. North Down is wealthier than Tyrone. Household disposable income is 18-20k vs 16-18k
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2022, 10:24:07 AM
Yeah seafoid actually thought Newtownards was full of money! It's actually a shithole
So is most of Belfast. It's all relative
But it was your 'knowledge' I was knocking as you clearly hadn't a clue, which is telling tbh. So when you post about the north being a basket case I'll take it with a pinch of salt ;)
It's based on a map. North Down is wealthier than Tyrone. Household disposable income is 18-20k vs 16-18k
It's not based on local knowledge. Which for you is pretty poor on that point.
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Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2022, 02:40:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2022, 10:24:07 AM
Yeah seafoid actually thought Newtownards was full of money! It's actually a shithole
So is most of Belfast. It's all relative
But it was your 'knowledge' I was knocking as you clearly hadn't a clue, which is telling tbh. So when you post about the north being a basket case I'll take it with a pinch of salt ;)
It's based on a map. North Down is wealthier than Tyrone. Household disposable income is 18-20k vs 16-18k
Newtownards is in the Strangford constituency not North Down
Quote from: marty34 on May 07, 2022, 03:03:42 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2022, 02:47:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 07, 2022, 11:06:06 AM
Here's a question one for ye, Alliance now more a nationalist based party than unionist?
i would say so yes.
Hard to know.
I'd say 'nationalists' are voting for Alliance, and giving them transfers in areas like Strangford, and nth. Antrim etc.
Nationalist parties should sort out a pact in Strangford, East Antrim and Lagan Valley etc. to get a nationalist elected.
Yeah agreed. Although you don't mind seeing Alliance kick the dup out in the likes of lose places.
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Quote from: Rossfan on May 07, 2022, 10:36:20 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2022, 09:25:54 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
Not a great day TBH.
Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.
Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.
How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.
[Now, to be fair, the unionist parties can't face that future and are sticking their heads in the ground with respect to the inevitable. Which doesn't help, but Sinn Fein's building of an economic case for a UI - to the public BOTH sides of the border - is utterly non existent.]
Then there is a UI as laid out in the GFA...
Not unless we in the 26 vote for it too.
Takes 2 to have a wedding.
To save me the trouble of going through Constituencies - has anyone the total 1st Prefs for Nationalist (SF, SDLP, Aontú, PBP) and Unionist (DUP UUP, TUV, Easton, Sugden)
Could you imagine people in the 26 campaigning against a United Ireland if it was there for the taking?
It isn't there for the taking. It has to be planned and it hasn't been
Read it again. I said "if". When push comes to shove I'd be confident that a huge majority in the 26 would be in favour
1. There is no way Boris Johnson is going to support a Border poll. Shinners need to get real
2. A UI will take decades to plan . There is no point in a half arsed approach that fails
https://www.ft.com/content/3a0929c9-a589-469a-8f95-ce7160e526b0
Northern Ireland is in a cost of living crisis. Its health service is in trouble. Infrastructure needs investment. And then there is the protocol. Northern Ireland needs a working government.
All roads lead to Magherafelt!! Is Mary Lou wearing red, white and blue?! Jaysus! Might be the 'colour-blindness'!?
Quote from: restorepride on May 07, 2022, 03:45:52 PM
All roads lead to Magherafelt!! Is Mary Lou wearing red, white and blue?! Jaysus! Might be the 'colour-blindness'!?
These mega counting centres are a bit odd, although I suppose it makes it easier for TV etc. There were traffic jams at these places and Magherafelt is the best part of a two hour drive from some parts.
Question - Did anyone gets SDLP knocking on there door? Felt there was a severe lack of precense on the ground from them in this election? Had SF and Alliance call to the door and they were also at the polling station but SDLP nowhere to be seen - Another factor of why they've done so poorly
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2022, 03:41:08 PM
https://www.ft.com/content/3a0929c9-a589-469a-8f95-ce7160e526b0
Northern Ireland is in a cost of living crisis. Its health service is in trouble. Infrastructure needs investment. And then there is the protocol. Northern Ireland needs a working government.
Grass is green, water is wet. Thanks Seafood
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Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2022, 02:40:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2022, 10:24:07 AM
Yeah seafoid actually thought Newtownards was full of money! It's actually a shithole
So is most of Belfast. It's all relative
But it was your 'knowledge' I was knocking as you clearly hadn't a clue, which is telling tbh. So when you post about the north being a basket case I'll take it with a pinch of salt ;)
It's based on a map. North Down is wealthier than Tyrone. Household disposable income is 18-20k vs 16-18k
It's not based on local knowledge. Which for you is pretty poor on that point.
You don't have to live somewhere to know something about it. If you did, you would never be able to comment on the all Ireland hurling championship.
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Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2022, 02:40:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2022, 10:24:07 AM
Yeah seafoid actually thought Newtownards was full of money! It's actually a shithole
So is most of Belfast. It's all relative
But it was your 'knowledge' I was knocking as you clearly hadn't a clue, which is telling tbh. So when you post about the north being a basket case I'll take it with a pinch of salt ;)
It's based on a map. North Down is wealthier than Tyrone. Household disposable income is 18-20k vs 16-18k
It's not based on local knowledge. Which for you is pretty poor on that point.
You don't have to live somewhere to know something about it. If you did, you would never be able to comment on the all Ireland hurling championship.
I'm happy enough with my hurling CV, having managed a team that beat your best one year at Parnell ;)
Allliance are doing very well - is it mostly at the expense of the DUP or is there more behind it ?
Theyve taken from the other "middle ground" also eg Green Party.
Look at me pretending i know what im talking about 😃
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 07, 2022, 04:28:38 PM
Theyve taken from the other "middle ground" also eg Green Party.
Look at me pretending i know what im talking about 😃
Heard earlier that the Greens increased their vote but unfortunately for them it didn't translate into seats.
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2022, 04:26:22 PM
Allliance are doing very well - is it mostly at the expense of the DUP or is there more behind it ?
Jesus lad, alliance are not taking votes of the dup, it sdlp and uup they are taking votes for and a lot of nationalist transfers too
Big correlation in the figures of DUPs fall and TUVs increase.
Look at me. Correlation eh 😎
Here, SF on 23 DUP on 22 surely the bassas dont sneak it in the end?
Very possible.
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Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2022, 02:09:46 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2022, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 07, 2022, 10:36:20 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2022, 09:25:54 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 06, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
Not a great day TBH.
Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.
Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.
How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.
[Now, to be fair, the unionist parties can't face that future and are sticking their heads in the ground with respect to the inevitable. Which doesn't help, but Sinn Fein's building of an economic case for a UI - to the public BOTH sides of the border - is utterly non existent.]
Then there is a UI as laid out in the GFA...
Not unless we in the 26 vote for it too.
Takes 2 to have a wedding.
To save me the trouble of going through Constituencies - has anyone the total 1st Prefs for Nationalist (SF, SDLP, Aontú, PBP) and Unionist (DUP UUP, TUV, Easton, Sugden)
Could you imagine people in the 26 campaigning against a United Ireland if it was there for the taking?
It isn't there for the taking. It has to be planned and it hasn't been
Read it again. I said "if". When push comes to shove I'd be confident that a huge majority in the 26 would be in favour
1. There is no way Boris Johnson is going to support a Border poll. Shinners need to get real
2. A UI will take decades to plan . There is no point in a half arsed approach that fails
Boris Johnson will do what makes money and makes life easier for Boris Johnson and his mates. He does not give one f**k about Ireland. And anyway its the SoS who would call a border poll. I agree that it needs done right, is why the conversations need to happen now. Anyway the post I was replying to
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 07, 2022, 04:57:41 PM
Big correlation in the figures of DUPs fall and TUVs increase.
Look at me. Correlation eh 😎
Here, SF on 23 DUP on 22 surely the bassas dont sneak it in the end?
Can't see it.
Think DUP only have a path to 25 if they scrape that last seat in Foyle. Sinn Féin will be on 27. Close enough seat wise in the end.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2022, 02:47:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 07, 2022, 11:06:06 AM
Here's a question one for ye, Alliance now more a nationalist based party than unionist?
i would say so yes.
Hard to know.
I'd say 'nationalists' are voting for Alliance, and giving them transfers in areas like Strangford, and nth. Antrim etc.
Nationalist parties should sort out a pact in Strangford, East Antrim and Lagan Valley etc. to get a nationalist elected.
Your actually a joker
1 nationalist in Upper bann, that is ridiculous. Like I said earlier get away from the healine first minister nonsense (which we all know means f@ck all except to the likes of bryson?) this is a poor election for nationalism.
Looking like
37 Unionist
35 Nationalist
17 Alliance
1 PBP
SDLP would need to win that last Foyle seat for Nationalists to draw level. If DUP had not changed rules from largest designation to largest party, they would have retained First Minister.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on May 07, 2022, 05:33:02 PM
1 nationalist in Upper bann, that is ridiculous. Like I said earlier get away from the healine first minister nonsense (which we all know means f@ck all except to the likes of bryson?) this is a poor election for nationalism.
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Any word on the last seat in Foyle?
Quote from: weareros on May 07, 2022, 05:41:17 PM
Looking like
37 Unionist
35 Nationalist
17 Alliance
1 PBP
SDLP would need to win that last Foyle seat for Nationalists to draw level. If DUP had not changed rules from largest designation to largest party, they would have retained First Minister.
Assuming that the PDP give most transfers to remaining SF and SDLP candidates and give votes to the SDLP candidates in a reasonably balanced way, then the UU candidate would need to transfer to the DUP at 75%+ to get the DUP in. In 1997 the UU transfers only went 60% to the DUP and the SDLP got most of the rest.
Mind you, no unionist in Derry would be a sort of milestone also if it came about.
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Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on May 07, 2022, 05:33:02 PM
1 nationalist in Upper bann, that is ridiculous. Like I said earlier get away from the healine first minister nonsense (which we all know means f@ck all except to the likes of bryson?) this is a poor election for nationalism.
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Jeebus johnny im v interested in who is the largest party/first minister. When 30yrs ago ye couldnt even hear Gerry Adams voice on tv ffs. Among other things through the years of course😊. Why you think ive been watchin this guff the past 2 days?!
23 all now! Cant watch!
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on May 07, 2022, 05:33:02 PM
1 nationalist in Upper bann, that is ridiculous. Like I said earlier get away from the healine first minister nonsense (which we all know means f@ck all except to the likes of bryson?) this is a poor election for nationalism.
SF should have had 2 there.
24-23! Could go to penalties!
No penalties needed @27 now!
Christ this is a long count! Did they bring in the key stage 3 maths counters?
It is an overwhelming pro protocol endorsement?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2022, 07:36:52 PM
Christ this is a long count! Did they bring in the key stage 3 maths counters?
Counting in Ulster Scots takes wan a weee bit langer!!🤣
Quote from: charlieTully on May 07, 2022, 07:45:43 PM
It is an overwhelming pro protocol endorsement?
It's a pools win for polarisation
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2022, 08:02:28 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on May 07, 2022, 07:45:43 PM
It is an overwhelming pro protocol endorsement?
It's a pools win for polarisation
You are actually boring at this stage Sea.
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2022, 08:02:28 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on May 07, 2022, 07:45:43 PM
It is an overwhelming pro protocol endorsement?
It's a pools win for polarisation
Nonsense. The so called "middle" ground had it's biggest vote ever. It's maybe the least polarised election in the 6 counties in recent history.
In Foyle, the people of Derry have put the pro Brexit pro Putin PBP guy ahead of the second SDLP candidate. I reckon the UU guy will get the last seat now.
Quote from: Franko on May 07, 2022, 08:15:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2022, 08:02:28 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on May 07, 2022, 07:45:43 PM
It is an overwhelming pro protocol endorsement?
It's a pools win for polarisation
Nonsense. The so called "middle" ground had it's biggest vote ever. It's maybe the least polarised election in the 6 counties in recent history.
Not with the state of the DUP . Are they likely to go into Government ?
do you turnout be lower if another election in october
Why would there be another Election in October?
doug beattie said there now about it think i heard some people saying if dup get protocol changes they may ask people to go to polls again
Quote from: armaghniac on May 07, 2022, 08:19:45 PM
In Foyle, the people of Derry have put the pro Brexit pro Putin PBP guy ahead of the second SDLP candidate. I reckon the UU guy will get the last seat now.
Wise up.
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/northern-ireland-assembly-election-2022/we-will-honour-commitment-to-hold-border-poll-says-tory-party-chair-oliver-dowden-41624183.html
Candidate Party Votes Vote (%) Change (%)
Jeffrey M. Donaldson DUP 19,586 43.1 -16.4
Sorcha Eastwood Alliance 13,087 28.8 17.7
Robbie Butler UUP 8,606 19.0 2.2
Ally Haydock * SDLP 1,758 3.9 -3.7
Gary McCleave * SF 1,098 2.4 -1.1
Gary Hynds * Con 955 2.1 1.1
Alan Love * UKIP 315 0.7 0.7
Bit of a risk here if Jeffery joins the assemble forcing a bi-election going on the 2019 results above.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 07, 2022, 08:19:45 PM
In Foyle, the people of Derry have put the pro Brexit pro Putin PBP guy ahead of the second SDLP candidate. I reckon the UU guy will get the last seat now.
Tell us the 'unionist' population of the city - how many thousand do you think?
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2022, 08:02:28 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on May 07, 2022, 07:45:43 PM
It is an overwhelming pro protocol endorsement?
It's a pools win for polarisation
jesus you talk in riddles seafoid. Must be a bit of donegal in ye
It's 27 for SF and still counting in Foyle are SF not a banker's bet for a second seat in Foyle?
Quote from: restorepride on May 07, 2022, 08:38:45 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 07, 2022, 08:19:45 PM
In Foyle, the people of Derry have put the pro Brexit pro Putin PBP guy ahead of the second SDLP candidate. I reckon the UU guy will get the last seat now.
Tell us the 'unionist' population of the city - how many thousand do you think?
We have about 25k protestants in city 80k nationalist. Not sure about whole Foyle constituency
would fianna fail and fine gael field candidates in the north in a united ireland
Quote from: pbat on May 07, 2022, 08:37:30 PM
Candidate Party Votes Vote (%) Change (%)
Jeffrey M. Donaldson DUP 19,586 43.1 -16.4
Sorcha Eastwood Alliance 13,087 28.8 17.7
Robbie Butler UUP 8,606 19.0 2.2
Ally Haydock * SDLP 1,758 3.9 -3.7
Gary McCleave * SF 1,098 2.4 -1.1
Gary Hynds * Con 955 2.1 1.1
Alan Love * UKIP 315 0.7 0.7
Bit of a risk here if Jeffery joins the assemble forcing a bi-election going on the 2019 results above.
That's maybe on his mind too. Would actually love SF and SDLP to step aside and let Alliance have a free run on a pro protocol ticket.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 08:52:00 PM
Quote from: restorepride on May 07, 2022, 08:38:45 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 07, 2022, 08:19:45 PM
In Foyle, the people of Derry have put the pro Brexit pro Putin PBP guy ahead of the second SDLP candidate. I reckon the UU guy will get the last seat now.
Tell us the 'unionist' population of the city - how many thousand do you think?
We have about 25k protestants in city 80k nationalist. Not sure about whole Foyle constituency
Unionists got 21.8% of first preferences.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 07, 2022, 09:01:32 PM
would fianna fail and fine gael field candidates in the north in a united ireland
Likely leave it to their sister party the SDLP. Although in a UI the SDLP would possibly join one of them anyway.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 07, 2022, 09:08:35 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 07, 2022, 08:52:00 PM
Quote from: restorepride on May 07, 2022, 08:38:45 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 07, 2022, 08:19:45 PM
In Foyle, the people of Derry have put the pro Brexit pro Putin PBP guy ahead of the second SDLP candidate. I reckon the UU guy will get the last seat now.
Tell us the 'unionist' population of the city - how many thousand do you think?
We have about 25k protestants in city 80k nationalist. Not sure about whole Foyle constituency
Unionists got 21.8% of first preferences.
I'm not far off then
Quote from: pbat on May 07, 2022, 08:37:30 PM
Candidate Party Votes Vote (%) Change (%)
Jeffrey M. Donaldson DUP 19,586 43.1 -16.4
Sorcha Eastwood Alliance 13,087 28.8 17.7
Robbie Butler UUP 8,606 19.0 2.2
Ally Haydock * SDLP 1,758 3.9 -3.7
Gary McCleave * SF 1,098 2.4 -1.1
Gary Hynds * Con 955 2.1 1.1
Alan Love * UKIP 315 0.7 0.7
Bit of a risk here if Jeffery joins the assemble forcing a bi-election going on the 2019 results above.
FPTP election is the time to get behind alliance in such a constituency, still pissed though that places like Lagan valley and strangford are not represented by a nationalist and upper bann has only one SF MLA instead of 2
So what happens when the DUP refuse to form an executive?
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 07, 2022, 09:24:55 PM
So what happens when the DUP refuse to form an executive?
Ministers stay in place, SDLP nominates an Infrastructure minister, new election in 6 months.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on May 07, 2022, 09:15:50 PM
Quote from: pbat on May 07, 2022, 08:37:30 PM
Candidate Party Votes Vote (%) Change (%)
Jeffrey M. Donaldson DUP 19,586 43.1 -16.4
Sorcha Eastwood Alliance 13,087 28.8 17.7
Robbie Butler UUP 8,606 19.0 2.2
Ally Haydock * SDLP 1,758 3.9 -3.7
Gary McCleave * SF 1,098 2.4 -1.1
Gary Hynds * Con 955 2.1 1.1
Alan Love * UKIP 315 0.7 0.7
Bit of a risk here if Jeffery joins the assemble forcing a bi-election going on the 2019 results above.
FPTP election is the time to get behind alliance in such a constituency, still pissed though that places like Lagan valley and strangford are not represented by a nationalist and upper bann has only one SF MLA instead of 2
In LV , Pat Catney pissed off alot of people, with his behaviour by embrassing the local GAA club. Honeyford from Alliance , has a good GAA profile, with his club in Glenavy, so had a better impact.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on May 07, 2022, 09:15:50 PM
Quote from: pbat on May 07, 2022, 08:37:30 PM
Candidate Party Votes Vote (%) Change (%)
Jeffrey M. Donaldson DUP 19,586 43.1 -16.4
Sorcha Eastwood Alliance 13,087 28.8 17.7
Robbie Butler UUP 8,606 19.0 2.2
Ally Haydock * SDLP 1,758 3.9 -3.7
Gary McCleave * SF 1,098 2.4 -1.1
Gary Hynds * Con 955 2.1 1.1
Alan Love * UKIP 315 0.7 0.7
Bit of a risk here if Jeffery joins the assemble forcing a bi-election going on the 2019 results above.
FPTP election is the time to get behind alliance in such a constituency, still pissed though that places like Lagan valley and strangford are not represented by a nationalist and upper bann has only one SF MLA instead of 2
Totally agree.
East Antrim the same.
I can see the rising of the moon tonight! Dóchas na gealaí!
The Assembly format as it stands now is a sitting duck prone to be brought down via any political grandstanding stroke.
If ever they assemble again this has to change, this 'all in or else no assembly' is a formula for chaos and dysfunction.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 07, 2022, 09:31:43 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 07, 2022, 09:24:55 PM
So what happens when the DUP refuse to form an executive?
We go back to the troubles.
Wise up. Loyalist scum can't turn back time and they don't have MI5 backing them up. Their 100 year sectarian statelet is over, it's gone. They will murder ordinary nationalists like theyve always done, but the game's up. They can join us in a new Ireland, where they will be treated as equals, and better than they ever treated us, or they can revert to type, which won't end well, but they're too thick to realise that.
Think Derry, Antrim, Armagh and Tyrone should be filtered into the south. They can keep Fermanagh and Down for another while but that will be tough for the map men.
Nah, they can keep Antrim lol.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 07, 2022, 09:24:55 PM
So what happens when the DUP refuse to form an executive?
Once the planters realize the game is up, they'll probably start calling for repartition. They think they're entitled to a little homeland in which they get to call the shots.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on May 07, 2022, 11:11:40 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 07, 2022, 09:24:55 PM
So what happens when the DUP refuse to form an executive?
Once the planters realize the game is up, they'll probably start calling for repartition. They think they're entitled to a little homeland in which they get to call the shots.
They should be given Kilkeel, Castlederg and Larne.
Are there more 'designated' unionist seats or equal split?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2022, 11:28:29 PM
Are there more 'designated' unionist seats or equal split?
There are 2 more unionists, if the DUP hadn't changed the rules at St Andrews then there would be a unionist FM.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on May 07, 2022, 11:11:40 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 07, 2022, 09:24:55 PM
So what happens when the DUP refuse to form an executive?
Once the planters realize the game is up, they'll probably start calling for repartition. They think they're entitled to a little homeland in which they get to call the shots.
As long as they give us back the land they took, sorry, stole. And all the bales!
I think you can bet your house, your car and all your earthly belongings on another election in the not too distant future.
The DUP won't go into stormont unless they are top dogs. Unionism and suprememcism are intertwined. Expect a few months of talks and DUP stalling (blaming the Protocol not been scrapped) followed by a re-run of the election as they try to reclaim lost ground/seats.
Tories should tell them to get the feck in or they'll call a border poll.
In what scenario would we get another election? Could other parties just not agree to it or how does it work? Surely if DUP call another election it'll simply back fire on them.
Quote from: tintin25 on May 08, 2022, 08:36:56 AM
In what scenario would we get another election? Could other parties just not agree to it or how does it work? Surely if DUP call another election it'll simply back fire on them.
No this is the election that should have backfried on them after all they have done.
DUP will either completely implode with its cliques and in fighting - or it will throw out olive branches to half a dozen including asking Jim Allister to lead them, independent Easton from Down who left them and went solo..etc, and attempt to consolidate the unionist "family" to a position of numerical superiority.
Not saying they will succeed in this, but I expect that to be their modus operandi going fwd.
Quote from: tintin25 on May 08, 2022, 08:36:56 AM
In what scenario would we get another election? Could other parties just not agree to it or how does it work? Surely if DUP call another election it'll simply back fire on them.
If they fail to form a government in 6 months there is another election.
https://m.independent.ie/news/united-ireland-referendum-within-a-five-year-timeframe-mary-lou-mcdonald-41624542.html
United Ireland referendum within a 'five year timeframe' - Mary Lou McDonald
Quote from: FermGael on May 08, 2022, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: tintin25 on May 08, 2022, 08:36:56 AM
In what scenario would we get another election? Could other parties just not agree to it or how does it work? Surely if DUP call another election it'll simply back fire on them.
If they fail to form a government in 6 months there is another election.
If there has to be one then they'll block everything till then.
Quote from: FermGael on May 08, 2022, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: tintin25 on May 08, 2022, 08:36:56 AM
In what scenario would we get another election? Could other parties just not agree to it or how does it work? Surely if DUP call another election it'll simply back fire on them.
If they fail to form a government in 6 months there is another election.
why do they not do a quick referendum on the protocol and see what everyday people think of it and not just what jeff and the gang think of it. Looking at the election there were roughly 70% of votes for parties supporting the protocol and 20-30% against the protocol so its already pretty obvious what the people think
Quote from: Nanderson on May 08, 2022, 09:28:44 AM
Quote from: FermGael on May 08, 2022, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: tintin25 on May 08, 2022, 08:36:56 AM
In what scenario would we get another election? Could other parties just not agree to it or how does it work? Surely if DUP call another election it'll simply back fire on them.
If they fail to form a government in 6 months there is another election.
why do they not do a quick referendum on the protocol and see what everyday people think of it and not just what jeff and the gang think of it. Looking at the election there were roughly 70% of votes for parties supporting the protocol and 20-30% against the protocol so its already pretty obvious what the people think
Because Nanderson that's a good idea - And when has a politician ever had a good idea
Also that may highlight the fact that it is an over amplified minority against it.
Quote from: FermGael on May 08, 2022, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: tintin25 on May 08, 2022, 08:36:56 AM
In what scenario would we get another election? Could other parties just not agree to it or how does it work? Surely if DUP call another election it'll simply back fire on them.
If they fail to form a government in 6 months there is another election.
As someone said above it is pretty much down to the British government. Tell DUP to get into the Assembly or they will form the opinion that they should schedule a border poll in the next 5 years.
Quote from: Itchy on May 08, 2022, 09:39:18 AM
Quote from: FermGael on May 08, 2022, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: tintin25 on May 08, 2022, 08:36:56 AM
In what scenario would we get another election? Could other parties just not agree to it or how does it work? Surely if DUP call another election it'll simply back fire on them.
If they fail to form a government in 6 months there is another election.
As someone said above it is pretty much down to the British government. Tell DUP to get into the Assembly or they will form the opinion that they should schedule a border poll in the next 5 years.
Absolutely. Very possible SF increase their vote again if there was another election. They'll be looking at South Down as a missed opportunity to run ano candidate for sure.
There is also a seat there for SF in East Derry and Upper Bann if they push hard.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 08, 2022, 09:43:05 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 08, 2022, 09:39:18 AM
Quote from: FermGael on May 08, 2022, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: tintin25 on May 08, 2022, 08:36:56 AM
In what scenario would we get another election? Could other parties just not agree to it or how does it work? Surely if DUP call another election it'll simply back fire on them.
If they fail to form a government in 6 months there is another election.
As someone said above it is pretty much down to the British government. Tell DUP to get into the Assembly or they will form the opinion that they should schedule a border poll in the next 5 years.
Absolutely. Very possible SF increase their vote again if there was another election. They'll be looking at South Down as a missed opportunity to run ano candidate for sure.
They'll be running 3 in South Down next time, talked to a few canvassers and they said they'd look at that as a go when they were chatting at the count centres
Quote from: seafoid on May 08, 2022, 09:22:03 AM
https://m.independent.ie/news/united-ireland-referendum-within-a-five-year-timeframe-mary-lou-mcdonald-41624542.html
United Ireland referendum within a 'five year timeframe' - Mary Lou McDonald
Timeframe too short - mostly saying exactly what needs to be said. Unfortunate that a referendum timeframe was brought into it, as it allows the headline writers go with:
"United Ireland referendum within a 'five year timeframe' - Mary Lou McDonald"
rather than
"Need to start planning for what would happen after a border poll - Mary Lou McDonald"
The latter obviously being a
little bit more amenable to unionists (with a small u).
In case anyone is in any doubt on a United Ireland poll down south
https://twitter.com/NextIrishGE/status/1523214650590261249?t=GwIxb3RKDDIYIhJOpbxbww&s=19
And that is without any discussion on the positives of an all ireland economy or without any clear "for" position stated by FF, FG which will absolutely happen.
Fermanagh and Tyrone were last minute additions to Northern Ireland. There would still be a Unionist majority for the 4 counties.
It's a nice fluffy concept for us at present.
As I've repeated many times here the pro UI parties need to spell out a summary at least of what the new All Ireland entity would be like in their views.
Things like Home Rule for 6 Cos, dual citizenship there, new parliament system etc, not to mention economics, flag/anthem and relationships with (hopefully by then 2 States ) Great Britain.
Quote from: Itchy on May 08, 2022, 11:18:45 AM
In case anyone is in any doubt on a United Ireland poll down south
https://twitter.com/NextIrishGE/status/1523214650590261249?t=GwIxb3RKDDIYIhJOpbxbww&s=19
And that is without any discussion on the positives of an all ireland economy or without any clear "for" position stated by FF, FG which will absolutely happen.
The problem is there is no interest from FF/FG etc. to starting setting out the stall/planning for a re-united. Their mantra is, and always has been 'it's not the right time". Never is the right time as they are rivals with SF in the 26 counties.
They really need to buy into the planning for re-uniting Ireland.
I think SF will do well in the next election in the 26 counties - this will make the difference and just as important as the election in the north.
Quote from: seafoid on May 08, 2022, 12:02:58 PM
Fermanagh and Tyrone were last minute additions to Northern Ireland. There would still be a Unionist majority for the 4 counties.
I'd be happy with us on West Bank of Foyle returning to our natural Inishowen hinterland and leave the rest of yous
Quote from: marty34 on May 08, 2022, 12:15:50 PM
I think SF will do well in the next election in the 26 counties - this will make the difference and just as important as the election in the north.
Doing well in elections will not get you into government in the 26 counties unless you can find someone to coalesce with and other smaller parties are worry about SF taking their voters.
However, if SF were in power in Dublin then I suspect that they would stop bad mouthing it and you would hear things like "we are improving waiting lists in the south, but cannot do so in the north because of Tory cuts".
Quote from: armaghniac on May 08, 2022, 12:47:33 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 08, 2022, 12:15:50 PM
I think SF will do well in the next election in the 26 counties - this will make the difference and just as important as the election in the north.
Doing well in elections will not get you into government in the 26 counties unless you can find someone to coalesce with and other smaller parties are worry about SF taking their voters.
However, if SF were in power in Dublin then I suspect that they would stop bad mouthing it and you would hear things like "we are improving waiting lists in the south, but cannot do so in the north because of Tory cuts".
I canny wait tbh, real politics
Quote from: armaghniac on May 08, 2022, 12:47:33 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 08, 2022, 12:15:50 PM
I think SF will do well in the next election in the 26 counties - this will make the difference and just as important as the election in the north.
Doing well in elections will not get you into government in the 26 counties unless you can find someone to coalesce with and other smaller parties are worry about SF taking their voters.
However, if SF were in power in Dublin then I suspect that they would stop bad mouthing it and you would hear things like "we are improving waiting lists in the south, but cannot do so in the north because of Tory cuts".
Part of the problem is FF/FG etc. give out about not going into government with SF in the 26 counties, yet they say this morning that Stomont should get up and running asap.
They don't do irony!
Regarding the election, I never said that doing well in elections will help but you should look at the past 4 or 5 opinion polls in the 26 counties. Real good chance they'll be in power in the south soon.
That's a bigger aim for them I'd say. Then we might see some preparation and plans for re-uniting Ireland.
Clearly FF/FG are not up to it - but more importantly, not willing to.
If the Shinners get into government in the South it will be for 5 years max. They have no answers either. There will be great excitement and then a polling collapse. Ask Labour.
Quote from: seafoid on May 08, 2022, 01:55:33 PM
If the Shinners get into government in the South it will be for 5 years max. They have no answers either. There will be great excitement and then a polling collapse. Ask Labour.
Anything better than the current farce!
Being against taxes and wanting everything free is grand in opposition.
I still don't get SF not putting out their view of a UI instead if saying FF and FG need to be planning.
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/northern-ireland-assembly-election-2022/we-will-honour-commitment-to-hold-border-poll-says-tory-party-chair-oliver-dowden-41624183.html
"Tory party chair Oliver Dowden has said the UK Government will honour the constitutional obligation to hold a border poll on the future of Northern Ireland if "there is a sustained majority" in favour of unification."
Sustained majority does not mean 27-25 following 28-27.
The DUP could in theory wipe out TUV and UUP next time for plus 10 with SF doing the same on the other side with the SDLP. for plus 8.
The milestone of largest party nationalist is not the same as the milestone for sustained majority for border poll.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 08, 2022, 02:19:12 PM
Being against taxes and wanting everything free is grand in opposition.
I still don't get SF not putting out their view of a UI instead if saying FF and FG need to be planning.
I'm sure SF have put out documents in regards to re-uniting Ireland but the key thing is it shouldn't be SF only driving this. All parties should be part of it but clearly only one is interested about it - along with civic nationalism including campaign's like Ireland's Future etc.
Government parties like FF and FG etc. should be driving this - but clearly, for whatever reason, have no interest.
#lipservice
Although it's taking Bertie to try to drive preparation and get a motion to submit a white paper to FF's Ard-Fheis re: boerder poll. All about the preparation.
Quote from: marty34 on May 08, 2022, 02:51:08 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 08, 2022, 02:19:12 PM
Being against taxes and wanting everything free is grand in opposition.
I still don't get SF not putting out their view of a UI instead if saying FF and FG need to be planning.
Government parties like FF and FG etc. should be driving this - but clearly, for whatever reason, have no interest.
#lipservice
They have enough on their plate at the moment without having to deal with a crowd like the DUP. A united Ireland would make Sinn Fein even stronger as they are the only ones that have a presence Politically North and south. Encouraging a united Ireland would be Kamikaze for both Parties.
Quote from: seafoid on May 08, 2022, 01:55:33 PM
If the Shinners get into government in the South it will be for 5 years max. They have no answers either. There will be great excitement and then a polling collapse. Ask Labour.
Labour went in as junior partners of FFG. SF will be the senior partner.
Obviously historic moment for Sinn Fein holding First Minister but I don't think the Unionist vote os going away anytime soon, unionist vote fractured this time with TUV 1st preference votes. DUP will be looking for those votes back.
Nationalist vote 40% so not enough obviously to win a border poll and SF will know this. Will be very interesting if Stormont does get back to "normal" to see the Alliance counterweight to nationalist/unionist politics.
At the end of the day your polling % is of 60%of the population, until you get a good % of the 40% non-voters voting, plus all foreign nationals of the past 20yrs interested in an Actual vote there not be a big enough % for a UI in a referendum. All the yrs living beside polish people and they simply do not vote.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 08, 2022, 02:19:12 PM
Being against taxes and wanting everything free is grand in opposition.
I still don't get SF not putting out their view of a UI instead if saying FF and FG need to be planning.
SF are pushing for a citizens assembly on the issue. Why the obsession with that SF haven't done for unity? All well and good taking digs at them for being in opposition and not doing enough on the issue. Don't FF/FG/Labour all claim to be pro-UI? Does their consistent inactivity while in government not need to be called out too?
Has it dawned on you that perhaps SF understand that a plan for a UI needs to be drawn up by a broad spectrum of society for it to be regarded as anything other than a piece of party political literature? Couldn't the southern government call a citizens assembly in the morning? Couldn't they form a government department into planning? Couldn't it do
something instead of shooting down any/all talk of reunification or planning?
P.s. I was asking you a while back (when you stated your view that SF are competent) what party/parties you do regard as being competent. Care to tell us?
Quote from: Snapchap on May 08, 2022, 03:18:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 08, 2022, 01:55:33 PM
If the Shinners get into government in the South it will be for 5 years max. They have no answers either. There will be great excitement and then a polling collapse. Ask Labour.
Labour went in as junior partners of FFG. SF will be the senior partner.
The Dept of Finance runs the show. SF are not going to change the rules if they get in. They can't fix inflation or increase wages.
I heard Leo on this morn totally ignoring sinn feins performance in the election choosing instead to focus on alliance. Then he mentions a new northern Ireland. Anchor
Quote from: An Watcher on May 08, 2022, 03:41:10 PM
I heard Leo on this morn totally ignoring sinn feins performance in the election choosing instead to focus on alliance. Then he mentions a new northern Ireland. Anchor
Heard an interview where he said he hoped that SF would work with other parties to try get stormont up and running again. A calculated attempt to plant the the notion in the heads of people in the south that it's SF's fault that it collapsed. Absolutely pathetic.
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 08, 2022, 03:19:45 PM
Obviously historic moment for Sinn Fein holding First Minister but I don't think the Unionist vote os going away anytime soon, unionist vote fractured this time with TUV 1st preference votes. DUP will be looking for those votes back.
Nationalist vote 40% so not enough obviously to win a border poll and SF will know this. Will be very interesting if Stormont does get back to "normal" to see the Alliance counterweight to nationalist/unionist politics.
It's hard to know why SF promised a border poll within 5 years. Nothing has fundamentally changed.
Quote from: seafoid on May 08, 2022, 05:11:41 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 08, 2022, 03:19:45 PM
Obviously historic moment for Sinn Fein holding First Minister but I don't think the Unionist vote os going away anytime soon, unionist vote fractured this time with TUV 1st preference votes. DUP will be looking for those votes back.
Nationalist vote 40% so not enough obviously to win a border poll and SF will know this. Will be very interesting if Stormont does get back to "normal" to see the Alliance counterweight to nationalist/unionist politics.
It's hard to know why SF promised a border poll within 5 years. Nothing has fundamentally changed.
Lets not be dishonest. SF haven't "promised a border poll in 5 years". They can't call a referendum. They can only lobby for one to happen in 5 years.
I don't think a lot of people here undertand that the GFA states that once a border poll is called there is automatically one every 7 years thereafter
Quote from: Under Lights on May 08, 2022, 05:46:45 PM
I don't think a lot of people here undertand that the GFA states that once a border poll is called there is automatically one every 7 years thereafter
So you are looking at the same length of time as an (Irish) Presidential election.
Quote from: Under Lights on May 08, 2022, 05:46:45 PM
I don't think a lot of people here undertand that the GFA states that once a border poll is called there is automatically one every 7 years thereafter
It does not, it says that you cannot have one for another seven years. No point in having one then either unless something has changed.
If first fails, a minimum of 7 years has to pass before the next one, but it's still at mercy of Secretary of State. It's not automatic.
It's far too soon for a border poll.
While it's a good election result for Sinn Fein, it doesn't bring a border poll success any closer. The problem is that there is a much greater chance of a successful border poll if it isn't led by Sinn Fein. The numbers breakdown is approx 40-20-40 and the middle ground is where it will be won and lost. That together with the 33% of current non voters. Unionist politicians have done almost everything in their power to alienate the 20% middle ground with their decisions in recent years but there is still a lot of ground work to be done to convince a sufficient amount of these same Alliance voters to vote to change the status quo. This will be won and lost mostly on economics, health, education and the day to day stuff that matter to people. Therefore it is more important that SDLP or other shades of civic nationalism gets behind the preparatory work. Sinn Fein support for a UI is a given in the same way that DUP/TUV is a given on the unionist side.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 08, 2022, 06:39:16 PM
While it's a good election result for Sinn Fein, it doesn't bring a border poll success any closer. The problem is that there is a much greater chance of a successful border poll if it isn't led by Sinn Fein. The numbers breakdown is approx 40-20-40 and the middle ground is where it will be won and lost. That together with the 33% of current non voters. Unionist politicians have done almost everything in their power to alienate the 20% middle ground with their decisions in recent years but there is still a lot of ground work to be done to convince a sufficient amount of these same Alliance voters to vote to change the status quo. This will be won and lost mostly on economics, health, education and the day to day stuff that matter to people. Therefore it is more important that SDLP or other shades of civic nationalism gets behind the preparatory work. Sinn Fein support for a UI is a given in the same way that DUP/TUV is a given on the unionist side.
The key to moving forward is as you rightly say , 'the preparatoty work' . What will a UI look like, its implications for our unionist neighbours, how will their identity be perserved , will there be a NI assembly , leading to full integration down the line.
Unlike Brexit, these points all need addressed thought through and agreed , so no one is left in an uncertain future.
All parties need to look forward to discussing at all level of the politic.
Are we allowed another vote after 7 yrs if we don't like a united Ireland?
It's clear after comments by Brandon Lewis (as thick a Tory as you could find) that he won't call a border poll until he see the nationalist vote comfortably go ahead of Unionist. SDLP will need to find a way to stop bleed to Alliance as clearly a nationalist vote will only be interpreted as SF/SDLP. Perhaps SF can engineer a way to secure a vote in Assembly for border poll to put presssure on Lewis. Would need Alliance on board. I would not discount FF/FG trying to take ownership of securing the date with London before going into next election - as unlikely as that might sound.
Quote from: weareros on May 08, 2022, 07:22:55 PM
It's clear after comments by Brandon Lewis (as thick a Tory as you could find) that he won't call a border poll until he see the nationalist vote comfortably go ahead of Unionist. SDLP will need to find a way to stop bleed to Alliance as clearly a nationalist vote will only be interpreted as SF/SDLP. Perhaps SF can engineer a way to secure a vote in Assembly for border poll to put presssure on Lewis. Would need Alliance on board. I would not discount FF/FG trying to take ownership of securing the date with London before going into next election - as unlikely as that might sound.
Can't see SF telling their voters to vote alliance over sdlp for much longer. Cretins
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 08, 2022, 07:30:50 PM
Quote from: weareros on May 08, 2022, 07:22:55 PM
It's clear after comments by Brandon Lewis (as thick a Tory as you could find) that he won't call a border poll until he see the nationalist vote comfortably go ahead of Unionist. SDLP will need to find a way to stop bleed to Alliance as clearly a nationalist vote will only be interpreted as SF/SDLP. Perhaps SF can engineer a way to secure a vote in Assembly for border poll to put presssure on Lewis. Would need Alliance on board. I would not discount FF/FG trying to take ownership of securing the date with London before going into next election - as unlikely as that might sound.
Can't see SF telling their voters to vote alliance over sdlp for much longer. Cretins
This. As great as yer alliance mla is with the local gaa club or Irish language their leaders in the party have zero interest in unity or even a poll until it is hits them like a bus. I don't care about how well SF or SDLP do just as long as nationalism as whole moves forward and it's been stalling for 20 years thankfully the unionist vote continues to drop.
Quote from: delgany on May 08, 2022, 06:44:59 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 08, 2022, 06:39:16 PM
While it's a good election result for Sinn Fein, it doesn't bring a border poll success any closer. The problem is that there is a much greater chance of a successful border poll if it isn't led by Sinn Fein. The numbers breakdown is approx 40-20-40 and the middle ground is where it will be won and lost. That together with the 33% of current non voters. Unionist politicians have done almost everything in their power to alienate the 20% middle ground with their decisions in recent years but there is still a lot of ground work to be done to convince a sufficient amount of these same Alliance voters to vote to change the status quo. This will be won and lost mostly on economics, health, education and the day to day stuff that matter to people. Therefore it is more important that SDLP or other shades of civic nationalism gets behind the preparatory work. Sinn Fein support for a UI is a given in the same way that DUP/TUV is a given on the unionist side.
The key to moving forward is as you rightly say , 'the preparatoty work' . What will a UI look like, its implications for our unionist neighbours, how will their identity be perserved , will there be a NI assembly , leading to full integration down the line.
Unlike Brexit, these points all need addressed thought through and agreed , so no one is left in an uncertain future.
All parties need to look forward to discussing at all level of the politic.
From the pit of my stomach I believe we are so much better making our own decisions on our own island, rather than twats like Brandon Lewis and Boris Johnston making decisions on our behalf when they clearly couldn't care less about the place. This fundamental point needs made more often.
He is expediting talk of a United ireland significantly.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 08, 2022, 06:26:28 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 08, 2022, 06:08:26 PM
It's far too soon for a border poll.
It's absolutely not too soon to be opening proper discussion about it though. It should have started already.
Agree completely with you on this.
(And disagree completely on the likelihood of violence out the back end of it. But more planning and prep likely means less of that out the far end)
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 08, 2022, 06:46:14 PM
Are we allowed another vote after 7 yrs if we don't like a united Ireland?
Not less than 7 years is what's written down.
I like to see how Scotland get on 2nd time round, SNP dominate local Scotland govt but couldn't get it through 1st time round. They got a sectarian element to worry about but not as bad as here. If they can't get it through in their position I see little chance for the North.
Will we see a scotland referendum any time soon
Well if they don't get one in their commanding position, we got no chance. Even in Scotlands position the current economic situation, would make it hard to get any referendum, even with the tories f**king them over past 10+ yrs.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 08, 2022, 10:36:06 PM
Well if they don't get one in their commanding position, we got no chance. Even in Scotlands position the current economic situation, would make it hard to get any referendum, even with the tories f**king them over past 10+ yrs.
Scotland is not a similar case. They are proposing dividing an island which bring in various problems, whereas we want to remove division on an island and remove those problems. It is perfectly possible to make a rational case for Scotland not becoming independent and use the same argument exactly to unify Ireland.
what happened lads????
a vote for the status quo
what a surprise
DUP 25 seats holy feck ::)
The Scots are Brits sin é
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 08, 2022, 07:30:50 PM
Quote from: weareros on May 08, 2022, 07:22:55 PM
It's clear after comments by Brandon Lewis (as thick a Tory as you could find) that he won't call a border poll until he see the nationalist vote comfortably go ahead of Unionist. SDLP will need to find a way to stop bleed to Alliance as clearly a nationalist vote will only be interpreted as SF/SDLP. Perhaps SF can engineer a way to secure a vote in Assembly for border poll to put presssure on Lewis. Would need Alliance on board. I would not discount FF/FG trying to take ownership of securing the date with London before going into next election - as unlikely as that might sound.
Can't see SF telling their voters to vote alliance over sdlp for much longer. Cretins
Only they didn't, cretin. Nationalists saw the Wee Croppy Boy, who promised to stop Brexit as his excuse for swearing allegiance to an English queen, celebrate the centenary of the failed statelet that treated them like shit, canvassed with FF/FG shysters who abandoned them to their fate in 1921, and blamed Sinn Fein for a situation that was 100% the fault of supremist unionism, and decided the shameless SDLP deserved nada, transfer wise. No one told no one how to vote. People have minds of their own, and wee Colum's situation is down to no one but wee Colum. f**k him, sideways.
Quote from: red hander on May 09, 2022, 12:35:37 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 08, 2022, 07:30:50 PM
Quote from: weareros on May 08, 2022, 07:22:55 PM
It's clear after comments by Brandon Lewis (as thick a Tory as you could find) that he won't call a border poll until he see the nationalist vote comfortably go ahead of Unionist. SDLP will need to find a way to stop bleed to Alliance as clearly a nationalist vote will only be interpreted as SF/SDLP. Perhaps SF can engineer a way to secure a vote in Assembly for border poll to put presssure on Lewis. Would need Alliance on board. I would not discount FF/FG trying to take ownership of securing the date with London before going into next election - as unlikely as that might sound.
Can't see SF telling their voters to vote alliance over sdlp for much longer. Cretins
Only they didn't, cretin. Nationalists saw the Wee Croppy Boy, who promised to stop Brexit as his excuse for swearing allegiance to an English queen, celebrate the centenary of the failed statelet that treated them like shit, canvassed with FF/FG shysters who abandoned them to their fate in 1921, and blamed Sinn Fein for a situation that was 100% the fault of supremist unionism, and decided the shameless SDLP deserved nada, transfer wise. No one told no one how to vote. People have minds of their own, and wee Colum's situation is down to no one but wee Colum. f**k him, sideways.
SF were last week telling people in Creggan to give Alliance a vote. I strongly dislike colum but SF are cretins and their next target is Alliance
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 12:44:17 AM
Quote from: red hander on May 09, 2022, 12:35:37 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 08, 2022, 07:30:50 PM
Quote from: weareros on May 08, 2022, 07:22:55 PM
It's clear after comments by Brandon Lewis (as thick a Tory as you could find) that he won't call a border poll until he see the nationalist vote comfortably go ahead of Unionist. SDLP will need to find a way to stop bleed to Alliance as clearly a nationalist vote will only be interpreted as SF/SDLP. Perhaps SF can engineer a way to secure a vote in Assembly for border poll to put presssure on Lewis. Would need Alliance on board. I would not discount FF/FG trying to take ownership of securing the date with London before going into next election - as unlikely as that might sound.
Can't see SF telling their voters to vote alliance over sdlp for much longer. Cretins
Only they didn't, cretin. Nationalists saw the Wee Croppy Boy, who promised to stop Brexit as his excuse for swearing allegiance to an English queen, celebrate the centenary of the failed statelet that treated them like shit, canvassed with FF/FG shysters who abandoned them to their fate in 1921, and blamed Sinn Fein for a situation that was 100% the fault of supremist unionism, and decided the shameless SDLP deserved nada, transfer wise. No one told no one how to vote. People have minds of their own, and wee Colum's situation is down to no one but wee Colum. f**k him, sideways.
SF were last week telling people in Creggan to give Alliance a vote. I strongly dislike colum but SF are cretins and their next target is Alliance
Nice story. Bullshit. Nobody tells nobody nothing. People have free will.
Maybe eastwood should not have threatened and demonised people funny how eastwood went quiet when uk government went quiet.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 12:44:17 AM
SF were last week telling people in Creggan to give Alliance a vote.
Can you go one week without posting some totally anecdotal and unprovable stort of what SF have been doing to to upset you in Derry? lol
Quote from: red hander on May 09, 2022, 01:13:44 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 12:44:17 AM
Quote from: red hander on May 09, 2022, 12:35:37 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 08, 2022, 07:30:50 PM
Quote from: weareros on May 08, 2022, 07:22:55 PM
It's clear after comments by Brandon Lewis (as thick a Tory as you could find) that he won't call a border poll until he see the nationalist vote comfortably go ahead of Unionist. SDLP will need to find a way to stop bleed to Alliance as clearly a nationalist vote will only be interpreted as SF/SDLP. Perhaps SF can engineer a way to secure a vote in Assembly for border poll to put presssure on Lewis. Would need Alliance on board. I would not discount FF/FG trying to take ownership of securing the date with London before going into next election - as unlikely as that might sound.
Can't see SF telling their voters to vote alliance over sdlp for much longer. Cretins
Only they didn't, cretin. Nationalists saw the Wee Croppy Boy, who promised to stop Brexit as his excuse for swearing allegiance to an English queen, celebrate the centenary of the failed statelet that treated them like shit, canvassed with FF/FG shysters who abandoned them to their fate in 1921, and blamed Sinn Fein for a situation that was 100% the fault of supremist unionism, and decided the shameless SDLP deserved nada, transfer wise. No one told no one how to vote. People have minds of their own, and wee Colum's situation is down to no one but wee Colum. f**k him, sideways.
SF were last week telling people in Creggan to give Alliance a vote. I strongly dislike colum but SF are cretins and their next target is Alliance
Nice story. Bullshit. Nobody tells nobody nothing. People have free will.
Ok, so innocent
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 08, 2022, 05:40:42 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 08, 2022, 05:11:41 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 08, 2022, 03:19:45 PM
Obviously historic moment for Sinn Fein holding First Minister but I don't think the Unionist vote os going away anytime soon, unionist vote fractured this time with TUV 1st preference votes. DUP will be looking for those votes back.
Nationalist vote 40% so not enough obviously to win a border poll and SF will know this. Will be very interesting if Stormont does get back to "normal" to see the Alliance counterweight to nationalist/unionist politics.
It's hard to know why SF promised a border poll within 5 years. Nothing has fundamentally changed.
What is your motivation for this? I mean, you have entirely altered what was said.
He is clearly a partitionist and as such tries to make anyone pushing for unity look bad...
Quote from: Snapchap on May 09, 2022, 07:28:27 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 12:44:17 AM
SF were last week telling people in Creggan to give Alliance a vote.
Can you go one week without posting some totally anecdotal and unprovable stort of what SF have been doing to to upset you in Derry? lol
I live here, i think you are a free stater? This is twice they done it now, once they have crushed SDLP , Alliance will be next target, watch this space.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 08, 2022, 06:46:14 PM
Are we allowed another vote after 7 yrs if we don't like a united Ireland?
would you not be better moving to London
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 09, 2022, 07:33:05 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 08, 2022, 05:40:42 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 08, 2022, 05:11:41 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 08, 2022, 03:19:45 PM
Obviously historic moment for Sinn Fein holding First Minister but I don't think the Unionist vote os going away anytime soon, unionist vote fractured this time with TUV 1st preference votes. DUP will be looking for those votes back.
Nationalist vote 40% so not enough obviously to win a border poll and SF will know this. Will be very interesting if Stormont does get back to "normal" to see the Alliance counterweight to nationalist/unionist politics.
It's hard to know why SF promised a border poll within 5 years. Nothing has fundamentally changed.
What is your motivation for this? I mean, you have entirely altered what was said.
He is clearly a partitionist and as such tries to make anyone pushing for unity look bad...
I think if it is done properly it has a high chance of success. It's the economy that needs to be addressed because NI is underpeforming and fixing this is the only way to bring Unionists along , go past 60% and unlock the efficiency gains of removing partition eg Derry/Inishowen.
The Union sucks, even for Unionists. London doesn't care about the UK regions.
The Assembly election didn't change anything. It was no gamechanger. SF biggest party but same equilibrium as before.
I don't think the Shinners understand the big game. It's not about optics. Its about thinking. This is senior hurling.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 07:33:18 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 09, 2022, 07:28:27 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 12:44:17 AM
SF were last week telling people in Creggan to give Alliance a vote.
Can you go one week without posting some totally anecdotal and unprovable stort of what SF have been doing to to upset you in Derry? lol
I live here, i think you are a free stater? This is twice they done it now, once they have crushed SDLP , Alliance will be next target, watch this space.
You think I'm a free stater? You haven't been paying attention lmao!!
P.s. Love your stories. keep them coming.
"Gerry Adams ate my hampster"
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2022, 07:55:07 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 09, 2022, 07:33:05 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 08, 2022, 05:40:42 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 08, 2022, 05:11:41 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 08, 2022, 03:19:45 PM
Obviously historic moment for Sinn Fein holding First Minister but I don't think the Unionist vote os going away anytime soon, unionist vote fractured this time with TUV 1st preference votes. DUP will be looking for those votes back.
Nationalist vote 40% so not enough obviously to win a border poll and SF will know this. Will be very interesting if Stormont does get back to "normal" to see the Alliance counterweight to nationalist/unionist politics.
It's hard to know why SF promised a border poll within 5 years. Nothing has fundamentally changed.
What is your motivation for this? I mean, you have entirely altered what was said.
He is clearly a partitionist and as such tries to make anyone pushing for unity look bad...
I think if it is done properly it has a high chance of success. It's the economy that needs to be addressed because NI is underpeforming and fixing this is the only way to bring Unionists along , go past 60% and unlock the efficiency gains of removing partition eg Derry/Inishowen.
The Union sucks, even for Unionists. London doesn't care about the UK regions.
The Assembly election didn't change anything. It was no gamechanger. SF biggest party but same equilibrium as before.
I don't think the Shinners understand the big game. It's not about optics. Its about thinking. This is senior hurling.
Factually you are correct, the First Minister/Deputy First Minister thing is off equals but watch how this plays out around the world.
This is the BBC's Lewis Goodalls take on it;
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1522998359123972096 (https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1522998359123972096)
The symbolism of this and how it plays out in the less well informed US is where the play for a UI could gather legs.
FWIW, I too don't think SF are best placed to be pushing for a UI, it has to come from a civic forum, with academics in the various main fields, economics, education, trade, health, so on and so forth to come up with a viable plan for a new Ireland, united Ireland or whatever.
The less politicians about it the better..
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2022, 08:25:09 PM
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Quote from: charlieTully on May 07, 2022, 07:45:43 PM
It is an overwhelming pro protocol endorsement?
It's a pools win for polarisation
Nonsense. The so called "middle" ground had it's biggest vote ever. It's maybe the least polarised election in the 6 counties in recent history.
Not with the state of the DUP . Are they likely to go into Government ?
Unlikely. But totally irrelevant to your original point
Polarisation is a core feature of elections the world over
You've become too acclimatised to political arena in the 26
In the period since treaty politics died away and before SF, polaristaion was essentially impossible
All the parties were different shades of the same colour
It didn't really matter who was in control, the result was centre-right neoliberalism
Yeah, it's totally a symbolic thing. I think that's the main reason the DUP will not go in again. They set their stall up a few months re: protocol when they saw the series of opinion polls and they were lagging behind SF. This was when they made the statement about protocol must be sorted.
They don't see nationalists as equals.
They only do equality on their terms.
Nationalists must call them out on this and use this mantra to the media.
Aoife Moore was on RTÉ yesterday saying SF were driving the re-united Ireland theme and that it was ironic that FFG etc. in the 26 counties have no interest...and them so called republican parties.
SF must be pleased about their move in Derry to replace their two mla's there with new candidates. Worked out really well for them.
DUP, after losing votes, but holding a lot of seats will be happy enough I think. They'll be delighted that Allister is just back in himself.
Alliance got a lot of the 4th and 5th seats and will be delighted. Be interesting to see will this replicate into council seats at the next local elections.
SDLP will be shocked. Typical Derry city bluster under Eastwood. He needs to be asked the hard questions.
UUP didn't get much from the Beattie bounce but always said they have to shrink before they grow. Maybe he's right to stick at it.
Aontú - the mirror opposite to the TUV. With the backing of the bishops and the CC, they haven't made much inroads. Be interesting to see will you see their candidates stand again in the local elections.
Green Party - lost two seats and everyone disappointed about that, whatever political party you support. Again, they'll have to build from the bottom up.
PBP - Carroll the single mla again. Squeezed out again.
Quote from: seafoid on May 08, 2022, 02:33:06 PM
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/northern-ireland-assembly-election-2022/we-will-honour-commitment-to-hold-border-poll-says-tory-party-chair-oliver-dowden-41624183.html
"Tory party chair Oliver Dowden has said the UK Government will honour the constitutional obligation to hold a border poll on the future of Northern Ireland if "there is a sustained majority" in favour of unification."
Sustained majority does not mean 27-25 following 28-27.
The DUP could in theory wipe out TUV and UUP next time for plus 10 with SF doing the same on the other side with the SDLP. for plus 8.
The milestone of largest party nationalist is not the same as the milestone for sustained majority for border poll.
We know all this.
Why do you keep saying stuff like this
Do you think you are adding to the discussion
Or are you just blunderbussing words at the page in the hope that something might make sense?
I think Aontú done "ok". Considering the first nationalist FM at stake it was always going to be hard to make inroads.
They beat PBP who are an established party now. Weren't too far behind the greens either. They were not the complete write off that many predicted.
The right candidate in the right area (West belfast?) With a fleshed out policy document could have a chance of a seat in the future.
Marty I think tuv only getting one seat a big thing for the dup. In the next election, which unfortunately could be six months away, they can present the tuv as not being a serious option and may get more on the back of it.
The dup are not and never have been serious about power sharing. The ni protocol is a red herring to get them out of it. Stormont can do nothing so it makes no sense but they know that.
Franko I sometimes think he's a bot.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2022, 09:58:53 AM
Marty I think tuv only getting one seat a big thing for the dup. In the next election, which unfortunately could be six months away, they can present the tuv as not being a serious option and may get more on the back of it.
The dup are not and never have been serious about power sharing. The ni protocol is a red herring to get them out of it. Stormont can do nothing so it makes no sense but they know that.
Franko I sometimes think he's a bot.
Why should there be another election in 6 months' time? Just because the DUP didn't get what they wanted in not coming out on top. Do we keep voting until the DUP win most seats? If there is another election I hope SF push on and pull in an even bigger vote. Unionists (for all persuasions) are telling nationalists this morning they do not have the right to hold the FM post. We are still viewed as inferior in their eyes. That is the naked truth of it. The protocol is a smokescreen they are hiding behind. All Nationalist parties need to call this out over the coming days.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 09, 2022, 10:19:42 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2022, 09:58:53 AM
Marty I think tuv only getting one seat a big thing for the dup. In the next election, which unfortunately could be six months away, they can present the tuv as not being a serious option and may get more on the back of it.
The dup are not and never have been serious about power sharing. The ni protocol is a red herring to get them out of it. Stormont can do nothing so it makes no sense but they know that.
Franko I sometimes think he's a bot.
Why should there be another election in 6 months' time? Just because the DUP didn't get what they wanted in not coming out on top. Do we keep voting until the DUP win most seats? If there is another election I hope SF push on and pull in an even bigger vote. Unionists (for all persuasions) are telling nationalists this morning they do not have the right to hold the FM post. We are still viewed as inferior in their eyes. That is the naked truth of it. The protocol is a smokescreen they are hiding behind. All Nationalist parties need to call this out over the coming days.
Elections follow the rules. NI had an election in 2016 and another one in 2017 because Deputy FM Martin McGuinness resigned over RHI
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2022, 10:31:10 AM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 09, 2022, 10:19:42 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2022, 09:58:53 AM
Marty I think tuv only getting one seat a big thing for the dup. In the next election, which unfortunately could be six months away, they can present the tuv as not being a serious option and may get more on the back of it.
The dup are not and never have been serious about power sharing. The ni protocol is a red herring to get them out of it. Stormont can do nothing so it makes no sense but they know that.
Franko I sometimes think he's a bot.
Why should there be another election in 6 months' time? Just because the DUP didn't get what they wanted in not coming out on top. Do we keep voting until the DUP win most seats? If there is another election I hope SF push on and pull in an even bigger vote. Unionists (for all persuasions) are telling nationalists this morning they do not have the right to hold the FM post. We are still viewed as inferior in their eyes. That is the naked truth of it. The protocol is a smokescreen they are hiding behind. All Nationalist parties need to call this out over the coming days.
Elections follow the rules. NI had an election in 2016 and another one in 2017 because Deputy FM Martin McGuinness resigned over RHI
That seriously needs looked at. Just a shame Alliance didnt take a few more seats and become second party.
Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2022, 09:05:42 AM
Yeah, it's totally a symbolic thing. I think that's the main reason the DUP will not go in again. They set their stall up a few months re: protocol when they saw the series of opinion polls and they were lagging behind SF. This was when they made the statement about protocol must be sorted.
They don't see nationalists as equals.
They only do equality on their terms.
Nationalists must call them out on this and use this mantra to the media.
Aoife Moore was on RTÉ yesterday saying SF were driving the re-united Ireland theme and that it was ironic that FFG etc. in the 26 counties have no interest...and them so called republican parties.
SF must be pleased about their move in Derry to replace their two mla's there with new candidates. Worked out really well for them.
DUP, after losing votes, but holding a lot of seats will be happy enough I think. They'll be delighted that Allister is just back in himself.
Alliance got a lot of the 4th and 5th seats and will be delighted. Be interesting to see will this replicate into council seats at the next local elections.
SDLP will be shocked. Typical Derry city bluster under Eastwood. He needs to be asked the hard questions.
UUP didn't get much from the Beattie bounce but always said they have to shrink before they grow. Maybe he's right to stick at it.
Aontú - the mirror opposite to the TUV. With the backing of the bishops and the CC, they haven't made much inroads. Be interesting to see will you see their candidates stand again in the local elections.
Green Party - lost two seats and everyone disappointed about that, whatever political party you support. Again, they'll have to build from the bottom up.
PBP - Carroll the single mla again. Squeezed out again.
Whats does Derry City bluster mean? is that a comment in general about Derry or what is it?
Educate yourself also about Aontú, TUV, catch yourself on, starting to sound like Allison Morris, disgraceful how she and others were trying to push this narrative.
Has anyone checked on Mick Fealty?
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 09, 2022, 09:57:28 AM
I think Aontú done "ok". Considering the first nationalist FM at stake it was always going to be hard to make inroads.
They beat PBP who are an established party now. Weren't too far behind the greens either. They were not the complete write off that many predicted.
The right candidate in the right area (West belfast?) With a fleshed out policy document could have a chance of a seat in the future.
Aontú done ok, lots of second and third preferences but need to get into a dog fight with high first preferences to make them worthwhile. I think you are right but, an analysis of the spread of votes going forward would be good.
SF getting 2 seats in Derry is no surprise but the fact that they done it with 2 untested and unknown individuals probably points more to the electorate buying quite a bit into the FM thing.
Im not happy that McLaughlin got in SDLP, nasty piece of work
Looking forward to seeing the NW get its share of investment, it could be a long wait
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 10:50:22 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 09, 2022, 09:57:28 AM
I think Aontú done "ok". Considering the first nationalist FM at stake it was always going to be hard to make inroads.
They beat PBP who are an established party now. Weren't too far behind the greens either. They were not the complete write off that many predicted.
The right candidate in the right area (West belfast?) With a fleshed out policy document could have a chance of a seat in the future.
Aontú done ok, lots of second and third preferences but need to get into a dog fight with high first preferences to make them worthwhile. I think you are right but, an analysis of the spread of votes going forward would be good.
SF getting 2 seats in Derry is no surprise but the fact that they done it with 2 untested and unknown individuals probably points more to the electorate buying quite a bit into the FM thing.
Im not happy that McLaughlin got in SDLP, nasty piece of work
Looking forward to seeing the NW get its share of investment, it could be a long wait
What have you got against McLaughlin? You've not a kind word to say about anyone Fear lol
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 09, 2022, 09:57:28 AM
I think Aontú done "ok". Considering the first nationalist FM at stake it was always going to be hard to make inroads.
They beat PBP who are an established party now. Weren't too far behind the greens either. They were not the complete write off that many predicted.
The right candidate in the right area (West belfast?) With a fleshed out policy document could have a chance of a seat in the future.
The big problem they have is, like the tuv, they're not at all transfer friendly. They're seen as right wing, religious fundamentalists and the small minority who think in that way will back them but liberal catholics will never give them a vote. I wouldn't give them a transfer personally because I detest that kind of person/politics from either side.
Were there any Alliance seats west of the Bann ?
Quote from: lenny on May 09, 2022, 11:22:53 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 09, 2022, 09:57:28 AM
I think Aontú done "ok". Considering the first nationalist FM at stake it was always going to be hard to make inroads.
They beat PBP who are an established party now. Weren't too far behind the greens either. They were not the complete write off that many predicted.
The right candidate in the right area (West belfast?) With a fleshed out policy document could have a chance of a seat in the future.
The big problem they have is, like the tuv, they're not at all transfer friendly. They're seen as right wing, religious fundamentalists and the small minority who think in that way will back them but liberal catholics will never give them a vote. I wouldn't give them a transfer personally because I detest that kind of person/politics from either side.
"Seen as" ok. But surely people are more educated than that and actually know they aren't right wing, you aren't saying people don't know their left from their right are you? Of course they are transfer friendly, that was evident at the count.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 11:51:36 AM
Quote from: lenny on May 09, 2022, 11:22:53 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 09, 2022, 09:57:28 AM
I think Aontú done "ok". Considering the first nationalist FM at stake it was always going to be hard to make inroads.
They beat PBP who are an established party now. Weren't too far behind the greens either. They were not the complete write off that many predicted.
The right candidate in the right area (West belfast?) With a fleshed out policy document could have a chance of a seat in the future.
The big problem they have is, like the tuv, they're not at all transfer friendly. They're seen as right wing, religious fundamentalists and the small minority who think in that way will back them but liberal catholics will never give them a vote. I wouldn't give them a transfer personally because I detest that kind of person/politics from either side.
"Seen as" ok. But surely people are more educated than that and actually know they aren't right wing, you aren't saying people don't know their left from their right are you? Of course they are transfer friendly, that was evident at the count.
Like it or not that is how people view them. Most people know very little about Aontu bar the fact they're anti abortion. Nothing against them myself other than not liking splitting the nationalist vote.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 09, 2022, 10:37:34 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2022, 10:31:10 AM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 09, 2022, 10:19:42 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2022, 09:58:53 AM
Marty I think tuv only getting one seat a big thing for the dup. In the next election, which unfortunately could be six months away, they can present the tuv as not being a serious option and may get more on the back of it.
The dup are not and never have been serious about power sharing. The ni protocol is a red herring to get them out of it. Stormont can do nothing so it makes no sense but they know that.
Franko I sometimes think he's a bot.
Why should there be another election in 6 months' time? Just because the DUP didn't get what they wanted in not coming out on top. Do we keep voting until the DUP win most seats? If there is another election I hope SF push on and pull in an even bigger vote. Unionists (for all persuasions) are telling nationalists this morning they do not have the right to hold the FM post. We are still viewed as inferior in their eyes. That is the naked truth of it. The protocol is a smokescreen they are hiding behind. All Nationalist parties need to call this out over the coming days.
Elections follow the rules. NI had an election in 2016 and another one in 2017 because Deputy FM Martin McGuinness resigned over RHI
That seriously needs looked at. Just a shame Alliance didnt take a few more seats and become second party.
I'd agree with that, the rules around this are not working.
But, to change the rules they all have to agree to change them!
The problem Alliance have, if they did become the second largest party, they couldn't take the DFM role as they are not designated Nationalist/Unionist. That, imo, is wrong too.
Times have moved on from the 90's and the dark days of the troubles and what was suitable then isn't necessarily suitable now in terms of these governmental structures.
The SDLP don't seem to have anything to offer at the moment. Yes there would have been some votes gone to SF in an attempt to get the FM role, but I honestly believe that due to the type of campaign SDLP held, it made it very difficult for SF voters to give them a transfer vote. Instead opting for the more moderate Alliance. SDLP almost mirrored DUP tactics in attacking SF at every opportunity. That would rub a lot of nationalists the wrong way.
DUP are being publicly found out on their true opinion on power sharing and government. It's power sharing as long as they get their way and they have the top job. They have nowhere to go unless the British government offers something up on the protocol.
I did hear on the wireless this am a dup member (forget who) said that the Dup would nominate DFM, provided issues with protocol are resolved and a programme for government is agreed. So a very heavily caveated agreement to accept the outcome of a democratic vote.
I think the DUP will be nervous of a second election. They could lose more votes and there is every chance SF would get more. Imo, there would be a bigger turn out of nationalists for a second election given the DUP reluctance to agree to nominate a DFM. No matter what way you look at it now, DUP will lose face in some sectors of their electorate.
Alliance, what an election from them. It's been coming for a while and shows how the centre ground electorate is growing here. There will always be hardline right/left voters but the centre is definately widening and in another election Alliance could grow more.
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 09, 2022, 11:21:53 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 10:50:22 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 09, 2022, 09:57:28 AM
I think Aontú done "ok". Considering the first nationalist FM at stake it was always going to be hard to make inroads.
They beat PBP who are an established party now. Weren't too far behind the greens either. They were not the complete write off that many predicted.
The right candidate in the right area (West belfast?) With a fleshed out policy document could have a chance of a seat in the future.
Aontú done ok, lots of second and third preferences but need to get into a dog fight with high first preferences to make them worthwhile. I think you are right but, an analysis of the spread of votes going forward would be good.
SF getting 2 seats in Derry is no surprise but the fact that they done it with 2 untested and unknown individuals probably points more to the electorate buying quite a bit into the FM thing.
Im not happy that McLaughlin got in SDLP, nasty piece of work
Looking forward to seeing the NW get its share of investment, it could be a long wait
What have you got against McLaughlin? You've not a kind word to say about anyone Fear lol
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=454610869774313&id=100056762113809&sfnsn=scwspwa
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 09, 2022, 12:04:14 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 09, 2022, 10:37:34 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2022, 10:31:10 AM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 09, 2022, 10:19:42 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2022, 09:58:53 AM
Marty I think tuv only getting one seat a big thing for the dup. In the next election, which unfortunately could be six months away, they can present the tuv as not being a serious option and may get more on the back of it.
The dup are not and never have been serious about power sharing. The ni protocol is a red herring to get them out of it. Stormont can do nothing so it makes no sense but they know that.
Franko I sometimes think he's a bot.
Why should there be another election in 6 months' time? Just because the DUP didn't get what they wanted in not coming out on top. Do we keep voting until the DUP win most seats? If there is another election I hope SF push on and pull in an even bigger vote. Unionists (for all persuasions) are telling nationalists this morning they do not have the right to hold the FM post. We are still viewed as inferior in their eyes. That is the naked truth of it. The protocol is a smokescreen they are hiding behind. All Nationalist parties need to call this out over the coming days.
Elections follow the rules. NI had an election in 2016 and another one in 2017 because Deputy FM Martin McGuinness resigned over RHI
That seriously needs looked at. Just a shame Alliance didnt take a few more seats and become second party.
I'd agree with that, the rules around this are not working.
But, to change the rules they all have to agree to change them!
The problem Alliance have, if they did become the second largest party, they couldn't take the DFM role as they are not designated Nationalist/Unionist. That, imo, is wrong too.
Times have moved on from the 90's and the dark days of the troubles and what was suitable then isn't necessarily suitable now in terms of these governmental structures.
The SDLP don't seem to have anything to offer at the moment. Yes there would have been some votes gone to SF in an attempt to get the FM role, but I honestly believe that due to the type of campaign SDLP held, it made it very difficult for SF voters to give them a transfer vote. Instead opting for the more moderate Alliance. SDLP almost mirrored DUP tactics in attacking SF at every opportunity. That would rub a lot of nationalists the wrong way.
DUP are being publicly found out on their true opinion on power sharing and government. It's power sharing as long as they get their way and they have the top job. They have nowhere to go unless the British government offers something up on the protocol.
I did hear on the wireless this am a dup member (forget who) said that the Dup would nominate DFM, provided issues with protocol are resolved and a programme for government is agreed. So a very heavily caveated agreement to accept the outcome of a democratic vote.
I think the DUP will be nervous of a second election. They could lose more votes and there is every chance SF would get more. Imo, there would be a bigger turn out of nationalists for a second election given the DUP reluctance to agree to nominate a DFM. No matter what way you look at it now, DUP will lose face in some sectors of their electorate.
Alliance, what an election from them. It's been coming for a while and shows how the centre ground electorate is growing here. There will always be hardline right/left voters but the centre is definately widening and in another election Alliance could grow more.
Yeah agree with you, gave Alliance a higher priority that the SDLP myself although they had no chance of getting in.
Bolded needs to be the narrative that London and the world hears, really need to ram it home this time
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2022, 11:38:58 AM
Were there any Alliance seats west of the Bann ?
Alliance stood in an election
The election is over
Seats were won and seats were lost
Nationalists and unionists and senior hurling
Trine cheile
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 12:09:46 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 09, 2022, 11:21:53 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 10:50:22 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 09, 2022, 09:57:28 AM
I think Aontú done "ok". Considering the first nationalist FM at stake it was always going to be hard to make inroads.
They beat PBP who are an established party now. Weren't too far behind the greens either. They were not the complete write off that many predicted.
The right candidate in the right area (West belfast?) With a fleshed out policy document could have a chance of a seat in the future.
Aontú done ok, lots of second and third preferences but need to get into a dog fight with high first preferences to make them worthwhile. I think you are right but, an analysis of the spread of votes going forward would be good.
SF getting 2 seats in Derry is no surprise but the fact that they done it with 2 untested and unknown individuals probably points more to the electorate buying quite a bit into the FM thing.
Im not happy that McLaughlin got in SDLP, nasty piece of work
Looking forward to seeing the NW get its share of investment, it could be a long wait
What have you got against McLaughlin? You've not a kind word to say about anyone Fear lol
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=454610869774313&id=100056762113809&sfnsn=scwspwa
Christ. Politician complaining about being asked a question while canvassing...
Fear just because you disagree with Abortion doesn't mean you have to take a dislike to everyone/every party that doesn't go along with that. They had a vote in the south and bar Donegal they voted it in.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 12:09:46 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 09, 2022, 11:21:53 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 10:50:22 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 09, 2022, 09:57:28 AM
I think Aontú done "ok". Considering the first nationalist FM at stake it was always going to be hard to make inroads.
They beat PBP who are an established party now. Weren't too far behind the greens either. They were not the complete write off that many predicted.
The right candidate in the right area (West belfast?) With a fleshed out policy document could have a chance of a seat in the future.
Aontú done ok, lots of second and third preferences but need to get into a dog fight with high first preferences to make them worthwhile. I think you are right but, an analysis of the spread of votes going forward would be good.
SF getting 2 seats in Derry is no surprise but the fact that they done it with 2 untested and unknown individuals probably points more to the electorate buying quite a bit into the FM thing.
Im not happy that McLaughlin got in SDLP, nasty piece of work
Looking forward to seeing the NW get its share of investment, it could be a long wait
What have you got against McLaughlin? You've not a kind word to say about anyone Fear lol
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=454610869774313&id=100056762113809&sfnsn=scwspwa
Absolute dose of sh^te. com
Would have expected better from a party that once had the great John Hume as its leader. I would moan at the lack of a viable alternative to vote for in the South, but God love youse nothern folk, its actually worse.
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 09, 2022, 12:22:11 PM
Fear just because you disagree with Abortion doesn't mean you have to take a dislike to everyone/every party that doesn't go along with that. They had a vote in the south and bar Donegal they voted it in.
Think whatever side you come down on re abortion you need to have respect for the other because it is such an emotive and divisive issue. That video is disgraceful tbh.
would people in the south really want right wing fundamentalists Christians in their parliament
so is will eastwood stay as sdlp leader becuase the dont have anyone else good enough.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 09, 2022, 12:29:45 PM
so is will eastwood stay as sdlp leader becuase the dont have anyone else good enough.
Think they need to stop attacking SF and focus on working alongside them. Bound to be someone else in the party capable of taking over from that clown because they are becoming obsolete at this point, lots of anti SF nationalists are moving to Alliance it seems.
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2022, 11:38:58 AM
Were there any Alliance seats west of the Bann ?
Like everything here, there is debate over what "west of the Bann" actually is. You could be forgiven for thinking Alliance's Eoin Tennyson in Upper Bann was elected West of the bann as the constituency takes in Portadown.
But no, west of the bann is a state of mind, not a geographical location.
A pretty awful result for us aligned with SDLP. We probably got what we deserved. The party has been lacking internal structure and organisation for years and going up against a well financed and slick SF was going to be tough. The Alliance has squeezed that middle ground vote away as well. I suppose lots of voters are looking for the differential between ourselves and SF. We haven't been able to put clear water between our policies and SFs. Ppl under 40 don't care much for the politics of 20 years ago. It's the here and now. We need fresh ideas. The SDLP has a huge amount of capable ppl in its ranks but that counts for little if the messaging isn't right.
Eastwood is a capable politician and demonstrated this in the debates, but he lacks the ability to run the party. Finance, Policy, building a membership, organisation of party structures. It's basically a collection of Independents. Who are the SDLP? the link with FF and FF, FG, Labour all canvassing for us. Confusion and chaos reigns. With every election we lose a political heavyweight, this time it was Nicola Mallon's turn.
Huge questions for the leadership. Things will have to change or there will be nothing left to change.
I get the feeling we'll be back in 6 months all the same.
Apart from splitting from SF over abortion what else does Aontú stand for that's different to Shinners?
SDLP are provably superfluous now that most SF politicians are from the post conflict and non violent generation.
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 09, 2022, 12:22:11 PM
Fear just because you disagree with Abortion doesn't mean you have to take a dislike to everyone/every party that doesn't go along with that. They had a vote in the south and bar Donegal they voted it in.
I understand that and I dont dislike everyone that doesn't go along with it. I dislike personal attacks however, check Gosling out on Twitter to see what I mean.
To go back to your earlier comment there were plenty of people who I liked in recent election locally.
Doyle/ Colly McLaughlin/Delargy/Durkan/
I dont have time for Tierney/Sinead McLaughlin SDLP, Ferguson SF or Middleton DUP
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 01:06:16 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 09, 2022, 12:22:11 PM
Fear just because you disagree with Abortion doesn't mean you have to take a dislike to everyone/every party that doesn't go along with that. They had a vote in the south and bar Donegal they voted it in.
I understand that and I dont dislike everyone that doesn't go along with it. I dislike personal attacks however, check Gosling out on Twitter to see what I mean.
To go back to your earlier comment there were plenty of people who I liked in recent election locally.
Doyle/ Colly McLaughlin/Delargy/Durkan/
I dont have time for Tierney/Sinead McLaughlin SDLP, Ferguson SF or Middleton DUP
Abortion doesn't really appear to be an issue. SF didn't suffer and they're very pro choice. Anotu didn't get anyone elected.
Trailer I'm curious to know would you back the current leader and if not, who would you like to see replace him?
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 09, 2022, 01:13:12 PM
Trailer I'm curious to know would you back the current leader and if not, who would you like to see replace him?
I like Colum and I think he's a fantastic politician but he needs to recognise that internally the party is a mess. If he can bring in someone or appoint a team to sort out structures and organisation then I'd be happy if he stayed on. But he's wrong that SDLP voters lent votes to SF. You don't need to lend votes in a PR election. People went out and chose to vote SF 1,2,3. We need to change that.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 10:45:25 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2022, 09:05:42 AM
Yeah, it's totally a symbolic thing. I think that's the main reason the DUP will not go in again. They set their stall up a few months re: protocol when they saw the series of opinion polls and they were lagging behind SF. This was when they made the statement about protocol must be sorted.
They don't see nationalists as equals.
They only do equality on their terms.
Nationalists must call them out on this and use this mantra to the media.
Aoife Moore was on RTÉ yesterday saying SF were driving the re-united Ireland theme and that it was ironic that FFG etc. in the 26 counties have no interest...and them so called republican parties.
SF must be pleased about their move in Derry to replace their two mla's there with new candidates. Worked out really well for them.
DUP, after losing votes, but holding a lot of seats will be happy enough I think. They'll be delighted that Allister is just back in himself.
Alliance got a lot of the 4th and 5th seats and will be delighted. Be interesting to see will this replicate into council seats at the next local elections.
SDLP will be shocked. Typical Derry city bluster under Eastwood. He needs to be asked the hard questions.
UUP didn't get much from the Beattie bounce but always said they have to shrink before they grow. Maybe he's right to stick at it.
Aontú - the mirror opposite to the TUV. With the backing of the bishops and the CC, they haven't made much inroads. Be interesting to see will you see their candidates stand again in the local elections.
Green Party - lost two seats and everyone disappointed about that, whatever political party you support. Again, they'll have to build from the bottom up.
PBP - Carroll the single mla again. Squeezed out again.
Whats does Derry City bluster mean? is that a comment in general about Derry or what is it?
Educate yourself also about Aontú, TUV, catch yourself on, starting to sound like Allison Morris, disgraceful how she and others were trying to push this narrative.
Colum, Derry Ciry bluster like you saying people were told to vote Alliance in the Creggan...lol...were told to!
Like stopping Brexit and going to the birthday party in Armagh...bluster feom the city men.
Aontú are a one issue party - mirror image of TUV with Peadar as leader. Right wing, as loads of others on here have said but you argue with everyone.
I gave all shades of green a vote/preference last Thursday and was delighted to do so.
Join us in an effort to move the re-unifacation of our country on in the short term. Whatever shade of green you are - don't stand on the sidelines sniping.
https://www.ft.com/content/53592270-98aa-4030-812a-dc019461b8d7
Unionists pointed out the DUP, together with the Ulster Unionist party and the Traditional Unionist Voice, actually garnered some 17,000 more votes than nationalist groups in Thursday's elections. They increased their vote share to 42 per cent, while the nationalist proportion slipped fractionally to just over 39 per cent.
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 09, 2022, 11:21:53 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 10:50:22 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 09, 2022, 09:57:28 AM
I think Aontú done "ok". Considering the first nationalist FM at stake it was always going to be hard to make inroads.
They beat PBP who are an established party now. Weren't too far behind the greens either. They were not the complete write off that many predicted.
The right candidate in the right area (West belfast?) With a fleshed out policy document could have a chance of a seat in the future.
Aontú done ok, lots of second and third preferences but need to get into a dog fight with high first preferences to make them worthwhile. I think you are right but, an analysis of the spread of votes going forward would be good.
SF getting 2 seats in Derry is no surprise but the fact that they done it with 2 untested and unknown individuals probably points more to the electorate buying quite a bit into the FM thing.
Im not happy that McLaughlin got in SDLP, nasty piece of work
Looking forward to seeing the NW get its share of investment, it could be a long wait
What have you got against McLaughlin? You've not a kind word to say about anyone Fear lol
Lol.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 09, 2022, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 09, 2022, 12:22:11 PM
Fear just because you disagree with Abortion doesn't mean you have to take a dislike to everyone/every party that doesn't go along with that. They had a vote in the south and bar Donegal they voted it in.
Think whatever side you come down on re abortion you need to have respect for the other because it is such an emotive and divisive issue. That video is disgraceful tbh.
Agree Armagh - emotive issue.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 09, 2022, 12:29:45 PM
so is will eastwood stay as sdlp leader becuase the dont have anyone else good enough.
Mallon would be a good choice. Replicate O'Neill.
Comes across well and is well respected.
Not sure if she's not an mla would help but would be a safe pair of hands.
Heard it mentioned a few times over the week-end on tv and radio that people thought, because she was a minister etc. that she was safe and voted for other candiates.
Very plausible.
So the DUP have confirmed that they will block the formation of a new executive by refusing to nominate ministers. Disgraceful, anti-democratic yet not surprising. They continue to think that they run the place.
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2022, 01:46:58 PM
https://www.ft.com/content/53592270-98aa-4030-812a-dc019461b8d7
Unionists pointed out the DUP, together with the Ulster Unionist party and the Traditional Unionist Voice, actually garnered some 17,000 more votes than nationalist groups in Thursday's elections. They increased their vote share to 42 per cent, while the nationalist proportion slipped fractionally to just over 39 per cent.
The overall unionist vote was down compared to the last assembly election by about 3.5%. Nationalist vote was down about 0.5%
Quote from: yellowcard on May 09, 2022, 01:52:27 PM
So the DUP have confirmed that they will block the formation of a new executive by refusing to nominate ministers. Disgraceful, anti-democratic yet not surprising. They continue to think that they run the place.
Unionism doesn't do equality.
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2022, 01:46:58 PM
https://www.ft.com/content/53592270-98aa-4030-812a-dc019461b8d7
Unionists pointed out the DUP, together with the Ulster Unionist party and the Traditional Unionist Voice, actually garnered some 17,000 more votes than nationalist groups in Thursday's elections. They increased their vote share to 42 per cent, while the nationalist proportion slipped fractionally to just over 39 per cent.
I think Alliance are harbouring some soft Nationalist votes. We need to win those back. Obv they hold some Unionist votes as well.
Alliance have got a pretty free run. The lovely middle ground. We don't offend anyone. All is great. Lets all get along. I'd say they'll have a target on their backs from now on.
Quote from: keep her low this half on May 09, 2022, 01:58:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2022, 01:46:58 PM
https://www.ft.com/content/53592270-98aa-4030-812a-dc019461b8d7
Unionists pointed out the DUP, together with the Ulster Unionist party and the Traditional Unionist Voice, actually garnered some 17,000 more votes than nationalist groups in Thursday's elections. They increased their vote share to 42 per cent, while the nationalist proportion slipped fractionally to just over 39 per cent.
The overall unionist vote was down compared to the last assembly election by about 3.5%. Nationalist vote was down about 0.5%
Dont be playing into the Unionists hands on this one, this vote share makes absolutely no difference in a PR election.
Pengelly was out trotting out this exact stat, trying to giving it some credence.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 09, 2022, 01:52:27 PM
So the DUP have confirmed that they will block the formation of a new executive by refusing to nominate ministers. Disgraceful, anti-democratic yet not surprising. They continue to think that they run the place.
Stop their pay with immediate effect. No other job in the work can you not turn up for work and still get paid. Won't impact wee Jeff as he'll be back in London this time next week getting Parliamentary salary and expenses. Maybe Colum can point that out to him given how big his voice is in Westminster.
Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2022, 01:45:45 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 10:45:25 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2022, 09:05:42 AM
Yeah, it's totally a symbolic thing. I think that's the main reason the DUP will not go in again. They set their stall up a few months re: protocol when they saw the series of opinion polls and they were lagging behind SF. This was when they made the statement about protocol must be sorted.
They don't see nationalists as equals.
They only do equality on their terms.
Nationalists must call them out on this and use this mantra to the media.
Aoife Moore was on RTÉ yesterday saying SF were driving the re-united Ireland theme and that it was ironic that FFG etc. in the 26 counties have no interest...and them so called republican parties.
SF must be pleased about their move in Derry to replace their two mla's there with new candidates. Worked out really well for them.
DUP, after losing votes, but holding a lot of seats will be happy enough I think. They'll be delighted that Allister is just back in himself.
Alliance got a lot of the 4th and 5th seats and will be delighted. Be interesting to see will this replicate into council seats at the next local elections.
SDLP will be shocked. Typical Derry city bluster under Eastwood. He needs to be asked the hard questions.
UUP didn't get much from the Beattie bounce but always said they have to shrink before they grow. Maybe he's right to stick at it.
Aontú - the mirror opposite to the TUV. With the backing of the bishops and the CC, they haven't made much inroads. Be interesting to see will you see their candidates stand again in the local elections.
Green Party - lost two seats and everyone disappointed about that, whatever political party you support. Again, they'll have to build from the bottom up.
PBP - Carroll the single mla again. Squeezed out again.
Whats does Derry City bluster mean? is that a comment in general about Derry or what is it?
Educate yourself also about Aontú, TUV, catch yourself on, starting to sound like Allison Morris, disgraceful how she and others were trying to push this narrative.
Colum, Derry Ciry bluster like you saying people were told to vote Alliance in the Creggan...lol...were told to!
Like stopping Brexit and going to the birthday party in Armagh...bluster feom the city men.
Aontú are a one issue party - mirror image of TUV with Peadar as leader. Right wing, as loads of others on here have said but you argue with everyone.
I gave all shades of green a vote/preference last Thursday and was delighted to do so.
Join us in an effort to move the re-unifacation of our country on in the short term. Whatever shade of green you are - don't stand on the sidelines sniping.
What are your republican credentials. PM if you like. I have never ever given a first preference to a non republican party and I am voting republican since SF were on 10% when we were still wakening up to Brits standing over our beds. I have seen people brutalised and shot by both the army and RUC and have been attacked myself by both them and loyalists. I certainly don't need you to tell me anything about what Derry City men have or havent done for a UI.
Aontú are a left wing party on economics but described as socially conservative on the question of abortion. This seems beyond your ability of understanding, I cant help with that
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Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2022, 01:45:45 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 10:45:25 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2022, 09:05:42 AM
Yeah, it's totally a symbolic thing. I think that's the main reason the DUP will not go in again. They set their stall up a few months re: protocol when they saw the series of opinion polls and they were lagging behind SF. This was when they made the statement about protocol must be sorted.
They don't see nationalists as equals.
They only do equality on their terms.
Nationalists must call them out on this and use this mantra to the media.
Aoife Moore was on RTÉ yesterday saying SF were driving the re-united Ireland theme and that it was ironic that FFG etc. in the 26 counties have no interest...and them so called republican parties.
SF must be pleased about their move in Derry to replace their two mla's there with new candidates. Worked out really well for them.
DUP, after losing votes, but holding a lot of seats will be happy enough I think. They'll be delighted that Allister is just back in himself.
Alliance got a lot of the 4th and 5th seats and will be delighted. Be interesting to see will this replicate into council seats at the next local elections.
SDLP will be shocked. Typical Derry city bluster under Eastwood. He needs to be asked the hard questions.
UUP didn't get much from the Beattie bounce but always said they have to shrink before they grow. Maybe he's right to stick at it.
Aontú - the mirror opposite to the TUV. With the backing of the bishops and the CC, they haven't made much inroads. Be interesting to see will you see their candidates stand again in the local elections.
Green Party - lost two seats and everyone disappointed about that, whatever political party you support. Again, they'll have to build from the bottom up.
PBP - Carroll the single mla again. Squeezed out again.
Whats does Derry City bluster mean? is that a comment in general about Derry or what is it?
Educate yourself also about Aontú, TUV, catch yourself on, starting to sound like Allison Morris, disgraceful how she and others were trying to push this narrative.
Colum, Derry Ciry bluster like you saying people were told to vote Alliance in the Creggan...lol...were told to!
Like stopping Brexit and going to the birthday party in Armagh...bluster feom the city men.
Aontú are a one issue party - mirror image of TUV with Peadar as leader. Right wing, as loads of others on here have said but you argue with everyone.
I gave all shades of green a vote/preference last Thursday and was delighted to do so.
Join us in an effort to move the re-unifacation of our country on in the short term. Whatever shade of green you are - don't stand on the sidelines sniping.
What are your republican credentials. PM if you like. I have never ever given a first preference to a non republican party and I am voting republican since SF were on 10% when we were still wakening up to Brits standing over our beds. I have seen people brutalised and shot by both the army and RUC and have been attacked myself by both them and loyalists. I certainly don't need you to tell me anything about what Derry City men have or havent done for a UI.
Aontú are a left wing party on economics but described as socially conservative on the question of abortion. This seems beyond your ability of understanding, I cant help with that
;D ;D ;D
My da's in the ra
I'll have you shat
Quote from: Franko on May 09, 2022, 02:08:14 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 02:05:15 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2022, 01:45:45 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 10:45:25 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2022, 09:05:42 AM
Yeah, it's totally a symbolic thing. I think that's the main reason the DUP will not go in again. They set their stall up a few months re: protocol when they saw the series of opinion polls and they were lagging behind SF. This was when they made the statement about protocol must be sorted.
They don't see nationalists as equals.
They only do equality on their terms.
Nationalists must call them out on this and use this mantra to the media.
Aoife Moore was on RTÉ yesterday saying SF were driving the re-united Ireland theme and that it was ironic that FFG etc. in the 26 counties have no interest...and them so called republican parties.
SF must be pleased about their move in Derry to replace their two mla's there with new candidates. Worked out really well for them.
DUP, after losing votes, but holding a lot of seats will be happy enough I think. They'll be delighted that Allister is just back in himself.
Alliance got a lot of the 4th and 5th seats and will be delighted. Be interesting to see will this replicate into council seats at the next local elections.
SDLP will be shocked. Typical Derry city bluster under Eastwood. He needs to be asked the hard questions.
UUP didn't get much from the Beattie bounce but always said they have to shrink before they grow. Maybe he's right to stick at it.
Aontú - the mirror opposite to the TUV. With the backing of the bishops and the CC, they haven't made much inroads. Be interesting to see will you see their candidates stand again in the local elections.
Green Party - lost two seats and everyone disappointed about that, whatever political party you support. Again, they'll have to build from the bottom up.
PBP - Carroll the single mla again. Squeezed out again.
Whats does Derry City bluster mean? is that a comment in general about Derry or what is it?
Educate yourself also about Aontú, TUV, catch yourself on, starting to sound like Allison Morris, disgraceful how she and others were trying to push this narrative.
Colum, Derry Ciry bluster like you saying people were told to vote Alliance in the Creggan...lol...were told to!
Like stopping Brexit and going to the birthday party in Armagh...bluster feom the city men.
Aontú are a one issue party - mirror image of TUV with Peadar as leader. Right wing, as loads of others on here have said but you argue with everyone.
I gave all shades of green a vote/preference last Thursday and was delighted to do so.
Join us in an effort to move the re-unifacation of our country on in the short term. Whatever shade of green you are - don't stand on the sidelines sniping.
What are your republican credentials. PM if you like. I have never ever given a first preference to a non republican party and I am voting republican since SF were on 10% when we were still wakening up to Brits standing over our beds. I have seen people brutalised and shot by both the army and RUC and have been attacked myself by both them and loyalists. I certainly don't need you to tell me anything about what Derry City men have or havent done for a UI.
Aontú are a left wing party on economics but described as socially conservative on the question of abortion. This seems beyond your ability of understanding, I cant help with that
;D ;D ;D
My da's in the ra
I'll have you shat
I think a bit too old for my da to be in the Ra lol
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 02:05:15 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2022, 01:45:45 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 10:45:25 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2022, 09:05:42 AM
Yeah, it's totally a symbolic thing. I think that's the main reason the DUP will not go in again. They set their stall up a few months re: protocol when they saw the series of opinion polls and they were lagging behind SF. This was when they made the statement about protocol must be sorted.
They don't see nationalists as equals.
They only do equality on their terms.
Nationalists must call them out on this and use this mantra to the media.
Aoife Moore was on RTÉ yesterday saying SF were driving the re-united Ireland theme and that it was ironic that FFG etc. in the 26 counties have no interest...and them so called republican parties.
SF must be pleased about their move in Derry to replace their two mla's there with new candidates. Worked out really well for them.
DUP, after losing votes, but holding a lot of seats will be happy enough I think. They'll be delighted that Allister is just back in himself.
Alliance got a lot of the 4th and 5th seats and will be delighted. Be interesting to see will this replicate into council seats at the next local elections.
SDLP will be shocked. Typical Derry city bluster under Eastwood. He needs to be asked the hard questions.
UUP didn't get much from the Beattie bounce but always said they have to shrink before they grow. Maybe he's right to stick at it.
Aontú - the mirror opposite to the TUV. With the backing of the bishops and the CC, they haven't made much inroads. Be interesting to see will you see their candidates stand again in the local elections.
Green Party - lost two seats and everyone disappointed about that, whatever political party you support. Again, they'll have to build from the bottom up.
PBP - Carroll the single mla again. Squeezed out again.
Whats does Derry City bluster mean? is that a comment in general about Derry or what is it?
Educate yourself also about Aontú, TUV, catch yourself on, starting to sound like Allison Morris, disgraceful how she and others were trying to push this narrative.
Colum, Derry Ciry bluster like you saying people were told to vote Alliance in the Creggan...lol...were told to!
Like stopping Brexit and going to the birthday party in Armagh...bluster feom the city men.
Aontú are a one issue party - mirror image of TUV with Peadar as leader. Right wing, as loads of others on here have said but you argue with everyone.
I gave all shades of green a vote/preference last Thursday and was delighted to do so.
Join us in an effort to move the re-unifacation of our country on in the short term. Whatever shade of green you are - don't stand on the sidelines sniping.
What are your republican credentials. PM if you like. I have never ever given a first preference to a non republican party and I am voting republican since SF were on 10% when we were still wakening up to Brits standing over our beds. I have seen people brutalised and shot by both the army and RUC and have been attacked myself by both them and loyalists. I certainly don't need you to tell me anything about what Derry City men have or havent done for a UI.
Aontú are a left wing party on economics but described as socially conservative on the question of abortion. This seems beyond your ability of understanding, I cant help with that
Don't embarrass yourself with that statement!
You've had a bad week-end with the election results.
As I say, come join the rest of us in the preparation for re-unification of Ireland. Don't snipe at everybody else from the sidelines.
In other news, I always wonder why unionists never put up a single candidate in west belfast. Would there notbe a good chance of a unionist seat there? Anybody know?
Frank McCoubrey of DUP was in West Belfast and polled 4k odd FPVs which apparently was encouraging for them
What's the difference in the Provo's threatening to pull out of Gvt due to the language act, that most here don't speak, and what Wee Jeffrey and his pals are doing?
Shinners crying wolf? Never.
SDLP need to look at the rise of Alliance rather than what the Shinners are doing..
Eastwood seems to be getting a bye ball on this but he's not a great leader, their messaging was poor, attacking the shinners at every cut and turn probably hit them in terms of transfers..
If there's a strategy there, then Colm has hid it well.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2022, 03:26:28 PM
SDLP need to look at the rise of Alliance rather than what the Shinners are doing..
Eastwood seems to be getting a bye ball on this but he's not a great leader, their messaging was poor, attacking the shinners at every cut and turn probably hit them in terms of transfers..
If there's a strategy there, then Colm has hid it well.
Funny Mike Nesbitt was saying the same thing, that their messaging is not getting across but the DUP slogans are hitting the spot...
Slogans and messaging are different, and you can't knock the DUP or SF for that matter, they manage to find a phrase that hits the spot for their voters
Difficult election for the SDLP. They were always a broad church , pun intended , because it's been mainly church going Catholics. Really green United irelanders, who couldn't vote SF because of violence , those committed to social democratic politics, and non-green Catholics with either no interest in a United ireland , or against it, but still couldn't vote for themunns (justifiably because of their anti-Catholic/anti-irish psyche) .
Now the greener SDLP voters are more prepared to forget SF violent past and want nationalist strength which can't be provided by SDLP , those with social democracy in their veins probably have some elements of that ethos in Alliance. And those Catholics who don't want themunns in, are also happy to bolster Alliance . Alliance's surge amongst perceived nationalists has gone up
In recent years, after the likes of Anna Lo, admitting they would be ok with a United ireland. Back in the day , we always viewed Alliance as a soft unionist party (which they still are essentially, but are wise enough to hide it) .
As an Irish "nationalist" , not affiliated to any party , I admire both SDLP and Alliance for always damping down violence in very difficult times. Now times are different . SF have worked really hard and with political intelligence to harness new voters but the only way they can positively influence a movement towards a better ireland is by playing things low key, and not motivating the opposition ( they did that brilliantly in this election) . However they also can use momentum and some degree of radicalism to optimise their own vote. It would concern me that if SDLP continue to slide , it shrinks the green bloc and bolsters Alliance, who have always bought into the constitutional
Position of the time and therefore are unlikely to promote an All island solution in the short term.
Alliance are part of the problem Here. They represent a position held by most here that real politics (poverty/health/education/equality ) trumps constitutional arrangements. However they have squeezed out moderate unionism and nationalism, ironically keeping two extremes , who can't agree , in government.
I think for a lot of reasons we need to re-visit outdated elements of the GFA. Unless there could be a coalition of SF (as largest party on the island) and Alliance ( with unionist insight ), SF may hope the SDLP get stronger and win back some alliance voters , to contribute to a stronger green bloc. I'd be hopeful then that an increasing nationalist vote keeps DUP in check , with additional support of Alliance who I feel can be persuaded to seriously look at potential future constitutional arrangements on this island .
At least this ballbag didn't get in;
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/tuv-speaks-out-against-gaa-23854261 (https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/tuv-speaks-out-against-gaa-23854261)
Also interesting reading at the bottom of that article...
Breeding at some rate down there jc ;D
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2022, 03:55:49 PM
Breeding at some rate down there jc ;D
I've done more than my fair share, that's all that I'm saying ;D
Don't tell michaelg, but some people are actually interbreeding with "prodestants" and their kids like to play GAA plus we really did need the gene pool widened anyway as it was getting a bit stale...
;D ;D ;D
Quick quiz question. How many GAA pitches do North Down and Ards BC maintain currently?
Answers on a postcard.
I digress, but that's the type of character that nearly got in here FFS.
Quote from: trailer on May 09, 2022, 02:02:04 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2022, 01:46:58 PM
https://www.ft.com/content/53592270-98aa-4030-812a-dc019461b8d7
Unionists pointed out the DUP, together with the Ulster Unionist party and the Traditional Unionist Voice, actually garnered some 17,000 more votes than nationalist groups in Thursday's elections. They increased their vote share to 42 per cent, while the nationalist proportion slipped fractionally to just over 39 per cent.
I think Alliance are harbouring some soft Nationalist votes. We need to win those back. Obv they hold some Unionist votes as well.
Alliance have got a pretty free run. The lovely middle ground. We don't offend anyone. All is great. Lets all get along. I'd say they'll have a target on their backs from now on.
It is going to get interesting. For years they had 8-10 MLAs
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2022, 03:45:17 PM
At least this ballbag didn't get in;
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/tuv-speaks-out-against-gaa-23854261 (https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/tuv-speaks-out-against-gaa-23854261)
Also interesting reading at the bottom of that article...
Do Ballygalget take from Cloughey?
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 09, 2022, 04:40:43 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2022, 03:45:17 PM
At least this ballbag didn't get in;
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/tuv-speaks-out-against-gaa-23854261 (https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/tuv-speaks-out-against-gaa-23854261)
Also interesting reading at the bottom of that article...
Do Ballygalget take from Cloughey?
yes, most of it, but it does get a bit blurry with Ballycran up the northern end.
Snooze you lose.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2022, 04:09:29 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2022, 03:55:49 PM
Breeding at some rate down there jc ;D
I've done more than my fair share, that's all that I'm saying ;D
Don't tell michaelg, but some people are actually interbreeding with "prodestants" and their kids like to play GAA plus we really did need the gene pool widened anyway as it was getting a bit stale...
;D ;D ;D
Quick quiz question. How many GAA pitches do North Down and Ards BC maintain currently?
Answers on a postcard.
I digress, but that's the type of character that nearly got in here FFS.
I'd sat it's similar to the number of council owned GAA pitches in the old Banbridge council area. New 3G one at St Patricks was a long time coming and you couldn't get near it now.
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 09, 2022, 03:22:11 PM
Frank McCoubrey of UDA was in West Belfast and polled 4k odd FPVs which apparently was encouraging for them
Fixed that for you.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2022, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 09, 2022, 04:40:43 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2022, 03:45:17 PM
At least this ballbag didn't get in;
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/tuv-speaks-out-against-gaa-23854261 (https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/tuv-speaks-out-against-gaa-23854261)
Also interesting reading at the bottom of that article...
Do Ballygalget take from Cloughey?
yes, most of it, but it does get a bit blurry with Ballycran up the northern end.
Snooze you lose.
I seen thon bake of Cooper on billboards heading in and out of Ards on Sunday! They really need to get away from fat ginger heart attack faced males!! Honestly
Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2022, 02:52:53 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 02:05:15 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2022, 01:45:45 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 09, 2022, 10:45:25 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2022, 09:05:42 AM
Yeah, it's totally a symbolic thing. I think that's the main reason the DUP will not go in again. They set their stall up a few months re: protocol when they saw the series of opinion polls and they were lagging behind SF. This was when they made the statement about protocol must be sorted.
They don't see nationalists as equals.
They only do equality on their terms.
Nationalists must call them out on this and use this mantra to the media.
Aoife Moore was on RTÉ yesterday saying SF were driving the re-united Ireland theme and that it was ironic that FFG etc. in the 26 counties have no interest...and them so called republican parties.
SF must be pleased about their move in Derry to replace their two mla's there with new candidates. Worked out really well for them.
DUP, after losing votes, but holding a lot of seats will be happy enough I think. They'll be delighted that Allister is just back in himself.
Alliance got a lot of the 4th and 5th seats and will be delighted. Be interesting to see will this replicate into council seats at the next local elections.
SDLP will be shocked. Typical Derry city bluster under Eastwood. He needs to be asked the hard questions.
UUP didn't get much from the Beattie bounce but always said they have to shrink before they grow. Maybe he's right to stick at it.
Aontú - the mirror opposite to the TUV. With the backing of the bishops and the CC, they haven't made much inroads. Be interesting to see will you see their candidates stand again in the local elections.
Green Party - lost two seats and everyone disappointed about that, whatever political party you support. Again, they'll have to build from the bottom up.
PBP - Carroll the single mla again. Squeezed out again.
Whats does Derry City bluster mean? is that a comment in general about Derry or what is it?
Educate yourself also about Aontú, TUV, catch yourself on, starting to sound like Allison Morris, disgraceful how she and others were trying to push this narrative.
Colum, Derry Ciry bluster like you saying people were told to vote Alliance in the Creggan...lol...were told to!
Like stopping Brexit and going to the birthday party in Armagh...bluster feom the city men.
Aontú are a one issue party - mirror image of TUV with Peadar as leader. Right wing, as loads of others on here have said but you argue with everyone.
I gave all shades of green a vote/preference last Thursday and was delighted to do so.
Join us in an effort to move the re-unifacation of our country on in the short term. Whatever shade of green you are - don't stand on the sidelines sniping.
What are your republican credentials. PM if you like. I have never ever given a first preference to a non republican party and I am voting republican since SF were on 10% when we were still wakening up to Brits standing over our beds. I have seen people brutalised and shot by both the army and RUC and have been attacked myself by both them and loyalists. I certainly don't need you to tell me anything about what Derry City men have or havent done for a UI.
Aontú are a left wing party on economics but described as socially conservative on the question of abortion. This seems beyond your ability of understanding, I cant help with that
Don't embarrass yourself with that statement!
You've had a bad week-end with the election results.
As I say, come join the rest of us in the preparation for re-unification of Ireland. Don't snipe at everybody else from the sidelines.
In other news, I always wonder why unionists never put up a single candidate in west belfast. Would there notbe a good chance of a unionist seat there? Anybody know?
I still have redner for you not knowing your left from right lol
will another election in 6 months have a lower or higher turnout
Quote from: Eire90 on May 09, 2022, 09:17:13 PM
will another election in 6 months have a lower or higher turnout
Depends on how things are going... DUP might get a massive f**k you from the voters who could come out in droves to put the boot into them and make Alliance 2nd biggest party.
SF are pretty safe on all their seats aren't they? So they could gain maybe 2 more if they work hard on getting votes?
SDLP seat in South Down is a target for them and maybe Foyle or Upper Bann for the other?
What would be the point in another election if they wouldn't go in after that either. Unless it is all a smokescreen and it's just the first minister post is the issue.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2022, 09:37:44 PM
What would be the point in another election if they wouldn't go in after that either. Unless it is all a smokescreen and it's just the first minister post is the issue.
But why would the results change? In fact it would get stronger surely?
I would tend to agree with newton Emersons analysis from the Irish Times today, they are going back it's just a matter of choreographing it
Newton Emerson: DUP's next mistake is to take patience of the North for granted
The DUP's plan to slink back to Stormont looks neat on paper. Whether it survives contact with reality is another matter.
The gist of the plan is simple: wait for likely fudges on the protocol, spin them as removing the sea border within the UK, claim credit for obtaining those changes through boycotting Stormont, then go back to the office in triumph and start rebuilding the party's support.
Objections to a Sinn Féin First Minister have already evaporated. Focusing on the protocol helps everyone forget the DUP had refused to confirm it would nominate a Deputy First Minister to serve alongside Michelle O'Neill, as did the UUP.
Stopping republicans holding the top job was used to rally unionist voters. It also rallied voters to Sinn Féin but the strategic geniuses of unionism considered that unavoidable. Once the votes were counted this tactic had served its purpose and DUP representatives dropped all pretence of not returning to the executive because Sinn Féin is the largest party.
Although the symbolic power of Sinn Féin's victory is genuine, it is hardly surprising after a year of opinion polls predicting it
The DUP presented the election as a last chance to secure the maximum number of anti-protocol assembly members. Perversely, focusing on immediate changes to the protocol helps everyone forget about that as well.
Recent changes to Stormont's rules mean the outgoing executive can remain in caretaker form for up to nine months before another election, while the new assembly can convene next week if Sinn Féin and the DUP nominate a speaker. This would answer criticism of leaving Northern Ireland ungoverned.
Mocked
Waiting for something to turn up on the protocol is credible. The DUP has been widely mocked, including by other unionists, for depending again on Boris Johnson riding to its rescue. However, the protocol is impractical to implement as agreed and this is creating new facts on the ground that London and Brussels have to address.
The real flaw in the DUP's plan is taking the patience of Northern Ireland for granted.
How long can the second largest party at Stormont put devolution on hold for what everyone knows is a face-saving exercise?
Stormont has ticked over in caretaker mode since February, when the DUP withdrew its First Minister Paul Givan. Continuing this limbo after an election feels significantly less legitimate and could quickly be seen as gratuitous, with healthcare collapsing and the cost of living soaring.
Caretaker ministers cannot take major or complex decisions, pass budgets or agree a programme for government. A £300 million sum left unspent due to Givan's resignation featured in every other party's election campaign and has become totemic of DUP waste and arrogance, recalling how the phrase "cash for ash" summed up the Renewable Heat Incentive.
Further authority has been sapped from the caretaker cabinet by the changed make-up of the assembly. The SDLP is no longer large enough to qualify for the executive yet will retain the Department for Infrastructure and stranger still must appoint a new minister as its deputy leader Nichola Mallon, the incumbent, has lost her seat.
Mary Lou McDonald, the Sinn Féin president, said unionists "should not be scared" by her party topping the poll. There is no sign they are, or ever were – otherwise the DUP might have enjoyed more success with its scare stories about a republican First Minister and a "divisive Border poll".
The sky has clearly not fallen in over Thursday's results. Although the symbolic power of Sinn Féin's victory is genuine, it is hardly surprising after a year of opinion polls predicting it. O'Neill as First Minister is an idea similarly priced in, helped by Givan's absence.
The seven percentage point fall in the DUP's vote, most of it picked up by the TUV, indicates not fear but anger – at the DUP. The TUV's inability to translate this into seats was largely down to bad luck but it still casts a pall of failure over the party and limits the prospects of a hardline turn in unionist politics.
The first attempt to form a new executive takes place this week. Even most DUP supporters will struggle to tell themselves they are not witnessing a circus. Everyone else will be deeply frustrated, amid a clamour from London, Dublin, Brussels and Washington to get on with it. The absurdity will increase if DUP leader Sir Jeffrey Donaldson returns to Westminster, as expected, putting a co-opted colleague into his assembly seat until devolution returns.
Unlike the last Stormont collapse, Northern Ireland can call time on this limbo when public patience snaps. The new rules give the assembly a cross-community vote every six weeks to end caretaker mode and move straight to an election within three months.
If unionists will not pass such a vote, nationalists can trigger an election anyway by withdrawing their caretaker ministers.
Unlike the 2024 protocol vote, interest in this is going to grow. The DUP's plan has a shelf-life of weeks.
Emerson's account seems plausible. However, the problem is the malign presence of the Boris regime. A half responsible government in London would make a few changes, maybe harmonise some food standards, then allow the DUP sell this as a win so that they can go into the Executive. But this London government is not even half responsible.
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What would be the point in another election if they wouldn't go in after that either. Unless it is all a smokescreen and it's just the first minister post is the issue.
But why would the results change? In fact it would get stronger surely?
people are strange unless they are hoping to rile up the non voters to come out and vote
Quote from: armaghniac on May 09, 2022, 10:31:24 PM
Emerson's account seems plausible. However, the problem is the malign presence of the Boris regime. A half responsible government in London would make a few changes, maybe harmonise some food standards, then allow the DUP sell this as a win so that they can go into the Executive. But this London government is not even half responsible.
Its not the sole preserve of the British Government to decide, they will have to enter into serious negotiations with the EU, that will take months. Emerson thinks the DUP only have weeks.
There is the claim by the DUP, well from Sammy at least who has recently discovered maths, said on the Nolan show on monday that in this election the Unionist parties outscored the nationalist vote and that mandate is being used not only to claim total unionist opposition to the protocol but also the DUP tactic of not voting in the executive. That position presumes much, not least that most every unionist vote was a vote for abstention as well as opposition to the protocol. What is the level of support among Unionists for the DUP abstention? is there any poll on that question?
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What would be the point in another election if they wouldn't go in after that either. Unless it is all a smokescreen and it's just the first minister post is the issue.
But why would the results change? In fact it would get stronger surely?
people are strange unless they are hoping to rile up the non voters to come out and vote
They could change. The DUP could get number 1 party - nothing would surprise you in this place.
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Yeah, it's totally a symbolic thing. I think that's the main reason the DUP will not go in again. They set their stall up a few months re: protocol when they saw the series of opinion polls and they were lagging behind SF. This was when they made the statement about protocol must be sorted.
They don't see nationalists as equals.
They only do equality on their terms.
Nationalists must call them out on this and use this mantra to the media.
Aoife Moore was on RTÉ yesterday saying SF were driving the re-united Ireland theme and that it was ironic that FFG etc. in the 26 counties have no interest...and them so called republican parties.
SF must be pleased about their move in Derry to replace their two mla's there with new candidates. Worked out really well for them.
DUP, after losing votes, but holding a lot of seats will be happy enough I think. They'll be delighted that Allister is just back in himself.
Alliance got a lot of the 4th and 5th seats and will be delighted. Be interesting to see will this replicate into council seats at the next local elections.
SDLP will be shocked. Typical Derry city bluster under Eastwood. He needs to be asked the hard questions.
UUP didn't get much from the Beattie bounce but always said they have to shrink before they grow. Maybe he's right to stick at it.
Aontú - the mirror opposite to the TUV. With the backing of the bishops and the CC, they haven't made much inroads. Be interesting to see will you see their candidates stand again in the local elections.
Green Party - lost two seats and everyone disappointed about that, whatever political party you support. Again, they'll have to build from the bottom up.
PBP - Carroll the single mla again. Squeezed out again.
Whats does Derry City bluster mean? is that a comment in general about Derry or what is it?
Educate yourself also about Aontú, TUV, catch yourself on, starting to sound like Allison Morris, disgraceful how she and others were trying to push this narrative.
Colum, Derry Ciry bluster like you saying people were told to vote Alliance in the Creggan...lol...were told to!
Like stopping Brexit and going to the birthday party in Armagh...bluster feom the city men.
Aontú are a one issue party - mirror image of TUV with Peadar as leader. Right wing, as loads of others on here have said but you argue with everyone.
I gave all shades of green a vote/preference last Thursday and was delighted to do so.
Join us in an effort to move the re-unifacation of our country on in the short term. Whatever shade of green you are - don't stand on the sidelines sniping.
What are your republican credentials. PM if you like. I have never ever given a first preference to a non republican party and I am voting republican since SF were on 10% when we were still wakening up to Brits standing over our beds. I have seen people brutalised and shot by both the army and RUC and have been attacked myself by both them and loyalists. I certainly don't need you to tell me anything about what Derry City men have or havent done for a UI.
Aontú are a left wing party on economics but described as socially conservative on the question of abortion. This seems beyond your ability of understanding, I cant help with that
Don't embarrass yourself with that statement!
You've had a bad week-end with the election results.
As I say, come join the rest of us in the preparation for re-unification of Ireland. Don't snipe at everybody else from the sidelines.
In other news, I always wonder why unionists never put up a single candidate in west belfast. Would there notbe a good chance of a unionist seat there? Anybody know?
Combined Unionist vote of 5442 in West Belfast with the quota being 7278. Frank McCoubrey got up to 5489 on the final count with transfers (from an initial first preference vote of 4166), with Gerry Carroll edging up to 6022 and being elected without reaching the quota
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Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2022, 09:37:44 PM
What would be the point in another election if they wouldn't go in after that either. Unless it is all a smokescreen and it's just the first minister post is the issue.
But why would the results change? In fact it would get stronger surely?
people are strange unless they are hoping to rile up the non voters to come out and vote
They could change. The DUP could get number 1 party - nothing would surprise you in this place.
Could go either way- maybe the DUP could get TUV voters back with the notion of stopping SF being the largest party. Equally SF will almost certainly hold the 27 seats they have and probably take another one in South Down and maybe even one somewhere else. A lot of non voters may even come out this time if they get pissed off enough
Quote from: armaghniac on May 09, 2022, 10:31:24 PM
Emerson's account seems plausible. However, the problem is the malign presence of the Boris regime. A half responsible government in London would make a few changes, maybe harmonise some food standards, then allow the DUP sell this as a win so that they can go into the Executive. But this London government is not even half responsible.
The EU aren't going to tolerate shite from London in the middle of a war.
Reasonable changes will be entertained.
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Quote from: armaghniac on May 09, 2022, 10:31:24 PM
Emerson's account seems plausible. However, the problem is the malign presence of the Boris regime. A half responsible government in London would make a few changes, maybe harmonise some food standards, then allow the DUP sell this as a win so that they can go into the Executive. But this London government is not even half responsible.
The EU aren't going to tolerate shite from London in the middle of a war.
Reasonable changes will be entertained.
the annoying thing about the protocol is that 90% of the people giving out havent a clue what it is. Best case scenario is the EU makes some immaterial changes, let the Unionists sell it as a big win and the protocol remains
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Quote from: armaghniac on May 09, 2022, 10:31:24 PM
Emerson's account seems plausible. However, the problem is the malign presence of the Boris regime. A half responsible government in London would make a few changes, maybe harmonise some food standards, then allow the DUP sell this as a win so that they can go into the Executive. But this London government is not even half responsible.
The EU aren't going to tolerate shite from London in the middle of a war.
Reasonable changes will be entertained.
the annoying thing about the protocol is that 90% of the people giving out havent a clue what it is. Best case scenario is the EU makes some immaterial changes, let the Unionists sell it as a big win and the protocol remains
I have seen graffiti saying "Trigger article 16".
Also it is being very intertwined with Brexit. So the impacts of Brexit are being argued as the impacts of the protocol with no separation which is purely disingenuous. The DUP agreed this and then they have shit the bed when they realised that could be a big faux pas for unionism (constitutionally). Economics really has bog all to do with it in most cases and a lot of these loyalist "commentators" who now spout like they know about economics know buck all about them.
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Quote from: armaghniac on May 09, 2022, 10:31:24 PM
Emerson's account seems plausible. However, the problem is the malign presence of the Boris regime. A half responsible government in London would make a few changes, maybe harmonise some food standards, then allow the DUP sell this as a win so that they can go into the Executive. But this London government is not even half responsible.
The EU aren't going to tolerate shite from London in the middle of a war.
Reasonable changes will be entertained.
the annoying thing about the protocol is that 90% of the people giving out havent a clue what it is. Best case scenario is the EU makes some immaterial changes, let the Unionists sell it as a big win and the protocol remains
I have seen graffiti saying "Trigger article 16".
The person inclined to write graffiti on a gable wall isn't the kind of person inclined to read an international treaty, let alone understand it.
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Quote from: armaghniac on May 09, 2022, 10:31:24 PM
Emerson's account seems plausible. However, the problem is the malign presence of the Boris regime. A half responsible government in London would make a few changes, maybe harmonise some food standards, then allow the DUP sell this as a win so that they can go into the Executive. But this London government is not even half responsible.
The EU aren't going to tolerate shite from London in the middle of a war.
Reasonable changes will be entertained.
the annoying thing about the protocol is that 90% of the people giving out havent a clue what it is. Best case scenario is the EU makes some immaterial changes, let the Unionists sell it as a big win and the protocol remains
I have seen graffiti saying "Trigger article 16".
The person inclined to write graffiti on a gable wall isn't the kind of person inclined to read an international treaty, let alone understand it.
Tricky enough spelling that , for those inclined to partake !
https://gript.ie/is-it-time-to-get-tough-with-ni-politicians/
Quote from: Rudi on May 10, 2022, 04:22:08 PM
https://gript.ie/is-it-time-to-get-tough-with-ni-politicians/
Honestly hard to disagree with him there as much of a tool as he is.
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Quote from: armaghniac on May 09, 2022, 10:31:24 PM
Emerson's account seems plausible. However, the problem is the malign presence of the Boris regime. A half responsible government in London would make a few changes, maybe harmonise some food standards, then allow the DUP sell this as a win so that they can go into the Executive. But this London government is not even half responsible.
The EU aren't going to tolerate shite from London in the middle of a war.
Reasonable changes will be entertained.
the annoying thing about the protocol is that 90% of the people giving out havent a clue what it is. Best case scenario is the EU makes some immaterial changes, let the Unionists sell it as a big win and the protocol remains
Make a few small changes and rename it the NI Concordat.
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https://gript.ie/is-it-time-to-get-tough-with-ni-politicians/
Honestly hard to disagree with him there as much of a tool as he is.
We would not accept a system in the Republic where a party on 21% of the vote – say Fianna Fáil – had a veto over other parties forming a Government. They would not accept it in the UK either, or in any other country.this says it all, the people vote for status quo because they're allowed to, the north is not a country in any sense
The DUP now claim that the Protocol is driving inflation.
https://mobile.twitter.com/duponline/status/1524005795997925377
these people are supposed to be religious people and just sit lying through their teeth.No morals, ethic, nothing. She's a piece of work too.
Quote from: seafoid on May 10, 2022, 06:04:01 PM
The DUP now claim that the Protocol is driving inflation.
https://mobile.twitter.com/duponline/status/1524005795997925377
The mind boggles.
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The DUP now claim that the Protocol is driving inflation.
https://mobile.twitter.com/duponline/status/1524005795997925377
The mind boggles.
And inflation in mother England is 10%
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https://gript.ie/is-it-time-to-get-tough-with-ni-politicians/
Honestly hard to disagree with him there as much of a tool as he is.
We would not accept a system in the Republic where a party on 21% of the vote – say Fianna Fáil – had a veto over other parties forming a Government. They would not accept it in the UK either, or in any other country.
this says it all, the people vote for status quo because they're allowed to, the north is not a country in any sense
Take their salary off them. Getting paid for nothing.
I'd love to know what the DUP MLA's really think about Jeff staying in Westminster. All bluster that he was coming back to NI. So he keeps his MP gig whilst the MLA's are left in no mans land for who know how long. Can't imagine this is going down well with absolutely everyone internally.
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I'd love to know what the DUP MLA's really think about Jeff staying in Westminster. All bluster that he was coming back to NI. So he keeps his MP gig whilst the MLA's are left in no mans land for who know how long. Can't imagine this is going down well with absolutely everyone internally.
Outside chance Alliance nicks his seat if he does vacate it? He is absolutely pathetic every time I see him interviewed, Unionism is seriously lacking leadership.
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Quote from: knockitdown on May 10, 2022, 09:09:00 PM
I'd love to know what the DUP MLA's really think about Jeff staying in Westminster. All bluster that he was coming back to NI. So he keeps his MP gig whilst the MLA's are left in no mans land for who know how long. Can't imagine this is going down well with absolutely everyone internally.
Outside chance Alliance nicks his seat if he does vacate it? He is absolutely pathetic every time I see him interviewed, Unionism is seriously lacking leadership.
Can't help but think that this hasn't been very well thought out. He's now staying in London so likely your man Rankin will be brought in as MLA. But what happens in 6 months time and another election? Jeff gona kick Rankin out, stand again telling everyone that he is going to go into the assembly? Strong chance that would surely backfire
DUP strategy is firmly hinged on not permitting a nationalist first minister. Stall for 6 months, claim some facile change to the protocol as a major victory, rally the troops one more time ahead of an autumn election ... 'not a fenian about the place', and hope to become largest party again. If that came to pass, how is every non-unionist in the north supposed to feel. I don't think it will work, and would expect SF to come back with 28 or 29 seats the next time, with Alliance chipping away at the Unionist block vote and increasing their share. DUP are screwed and they pretty much know it.
Had an interesting conversation with someone from a unionist background today, unionist with a small 'u' I would think ... they approached the UI conversation with me where previously it would never have been raised ... it was obvious they are starting to explore what an all Ireland economy might look for them and their children in years to come. They pointed out a job announcement they heard a couple of weeks ago ... Twitter to create 1000+ new jobs in republic, on the same day a bottle making factory in the north announce they were creating 120 ... the fact that there are no Twitters, Facebooks, Amazons, Intels etc. in the north is not lost on them.
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I'd love to know what the DUP MLA's really think about Jeff staying in Westminster. All bluster that he was coming back to NI. So he keeps his MP gig whilst the MLA's are left in no mans land for who know how long. Can't imagine this is going down well with absolutely everyone internally.
With respect, Jeffrey Donaldson is not and never will be a leader. Making it up as he goes along.
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I'd love to know what the DUP MLA's really think about Jeff staying in Westminster. All bluster that he was coming back to NI. So he keeps his MP gig whilst the MLA's are left in no mans land for who know how long. Can't imagine this is going down well with absolutely everyone internally.
Outside chance Alliance nicks his seat if he does vacate it? He is absolutely pathetic every time I see him interviewed, Unionism is seriously lacking leadership.
Can't help but think that this hasn't been very well thought out. He's now staying in London so likely your man Rankin will be brought in as MLA. But what happens in 6 months time and another election? Jeff gona kick Rankin out, stand again telling everyone that he is going to go into the assembly? Strong chance that would surely backfire
Jeff is running away from the problem. Jeff has a habit of doing this. When the going got tough with the UUP he legged it as well.
https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2022/0506/1296543-northern-ireland-protocol-analysis/
Irish officials have pointed out to senior British figures that a majority of MLAs are currently not opposed to the protocol, and that after Thursday's assembly elections that number may well have increased.
Would London recognise that democratic support for the Northern Ireland Protocol?
British officials responded that that does not matter. What matters is that the Northern Ireland institutions need a Deputy First Minister, and they won't get one unless the protocol is renegotiated.
To Dublin this is an elegant way of recreating the unionist veto. To the EU it's another gun on the table. To the UK it is about protecting the Good Friday Agreement.
Did you see Jeff and Teresa May yesterday.
Thought it rich of him to go on about protecting the GFA
QuoteThe Democratic Unionist Party (DUP), which later became the largest unionist party, did not support the Agreement. It walked out of talks when Sinn Féin and loyalist parties joined, because republican and loyalist paramilitary weapons had not been decommissioned.
Absolutely full of shite. Not one f**k could he give about the gfa except maybe for keeping his loyalist paramilitary friends (probably bosses!) out of jail.
Quote from: knockitdown on May 10, 2022, 09:09:00 PM
I'd love to know what the DUP MLA's really think about Jeff staying in Westminster. All bluster that he was coming back to NI. So he keeps his MP gig whilst the MLA's are left in no mans land for who know how long. Can't imagine this is going down well with absolutely everyone internally.
That was as sure as night follows day.
He wants his seat in the HOL, keeping his high profile in London makes that more likely.
He's above that Stormont nonsense.
It looks as though the DUP etc are planning on manipulating total opposition to the Protocol as a way of distracting from the return of the O'Neill.
They may be assisted in this by the ERG.
It was the only card they had left to cling onto the notion that they still run this place.
I hope it will back fire spectacularly again and that will completely finish them politically.
On a more technical note, there should be some mechanism in the process to stop this kinda of co-opting BS happening so close to an election. If it happens within a certain time period outside of extreme circumstances there should not be co-opting.
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Quote from: knockitdown on May 10, 2022, 09:09:00 PM
I'd love to know what the DUP MLA's really think about Jeff staying in Westminster. All bluster that he was coming back to NI. So he keeps his MP gig whilst the MLA's are left in no mans land for who know how long. Can't imagine this is going down well with absolutely everyone internally.
That was as sure as night follows day.
He wants his seat in the HOL, keeping his high profile in London makes that more likely.
He's above that Stormont nonsense.
I can't believe how useless he is. I mean I had low expectations of Poots but would he have been any worse than this? I thought he was supposed to be intelligent.
I've listened to a few Tories lately and the they are throwing out similar lines of the majority in Ireland want rid of the protocol, they aren't saying N.I .. One professor has pulled them on that afterwards in follow up interview saying that wasn't the case on polls conducted. If the UK pull the protocol by themselves without triggering article 16 it will bring in tariffs and more economic pain during what is already high cost of living!!
Hopefully they go down that road and be seen to have caused even more hardship on their voters, though to be fair they are that thick they'll still blame everyone else.. going to be some spin on this before its finished. Hopefully Nolan will pull them on this ;D ;D ;D
https://www.ft.com/content/27e4ce93-a0f2-4a22-a857-6b2bdd3dc324
The EU is unlikely to offer any more concessions on the protocol, say diplomats in Brussels, because it believes the UK has largely ignored proposals it made in October to reduce red tape on goods entering Northern Ireland. One EU diplomat said Brussels "has made a far-reaching offer on the Northern Ireland protocol. If the UK refuses to acknowledge this and to engage on this basis, might it then not be the time for the UK to honour its international obligations and simply implement what it has knowingly and wilfully signed up to?"
The protocol is just a stick for the brits to beat the EU with. They couldn't give a f**k about it.
The world of politics is just one lie after another. They should have a poll of MLAs as to who is in favour of the protocol. There is a presumption that being a unionist means you think the protocol is bad - that is not true. Also there is a difference between being against the fundamentals of there being a protocol itself and being against some of it's content and wanted some negotiation / tweaks on it.
so what happens if the protocol is ditch will there be violence
Are the tories planning on a trade war with the eu so they can blame the eu for starving the country to the dail mail and express readers when its the tories starving people
I hope they get rid of the protocol unilaterally, if it stays IMO there is a much decreased chance of a UI ever happening as this place will boom when it is fully implemented.
If the protocol goes and there is a border placed where the border used to be I think it would be the greatest catalyst to reunification since partition happened, as the vast majority of people in OWC don't want to see this happen.
The drift towards the middle ground by young people from a nationalist background would reverse and the hardline unionist support would continue to shrink until the event horizon is reached.
Unionist politicians, not being so good at the old strategic thinking, are looking rid of it anyway, in the same way they championed Brexit.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 11, 2022, 09:10:13 AM
so what happens if the protocol is ditch will there be violence
It'll get a name change at best to allow Wee Jeff to spin some sort of victory.
The EU most definitely will need to protect it's borders from the shit the Brits intend to bring into the UK.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 11, 2022, 09:04:25 AM
The protocol is just a stick for the brits to beat the EU with. They couldn't give a f**k about it.
The world of politics is just one lie after another. They should have a poll of MLAs as to who is in favour of the protocol. There is a presumption that being a unionist means you think the protocol is bad - that is not true. Also there is a difference between being against the fundamentals of there being a protocol itself and being against some of it's content and wanted some negotiation / tweaks on it.
Apparently 54 are in favour
women on nolan wants the border put back up
That's the problem with the protocol. It's not a hard border. It's not economics.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 11, 2022, 09:40:22 AM
women on nolan wants the border put back up
Mary hasn't a clue what she wants. She has been fed that much shite she'd believe there were two monkeys riding bikes up the street if you told her.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 11, 2022, 09:40:22 AM
women on nolan wants the border put back up
What time was she on?? ;D
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 11, 2022, 10:04:13 AM
That's the problem with the protocol. It's not a hard border. It's not economics.
The other problem with the Protocol is that the Tories use it to manipulate the EU
Quote from: NAG1 on May 11, 2022, 08:48:14 AM
It was the only card they had left to cling onto the notion that they still run this place.
I hope it will back fire spectacularly again and that will completely finish them politically.
On a more technical note, there should be some mechanism in the process to stop this kinda of co-opting BS happening so close to an election. If it happens within a certain time period outside of extreme circumstances there should not be co-opting.
Yeah, like buying a house - you can't sell it for 5 years. Same thing here about mp and mla. Can't switch for 3 years say.
Would cut out what Jeffrey's currently at.
I still think there'll be another election.
Quote from: seafoid on May 11, 2022, 09:03:04 AM
https://www.ft.com/content/27e4ce93-a0f2-4a22-a857-6b2bdd3dc324
The EU is unlikely to offer any more concessions on the protocol, say diplomats in Brussels, because it believes the UK has largely ignored proposals it made in October to reduce red tape on goods entering Northern Ireland. One EU diplomat said Brussels "has made a far-reaching offer on the Northern Ireland protocol. If the UK refuses to acknowledge this and to engage on this basis, might it then not be the time for the UK to honour its international obligations and simply implement what it has knowingly and wilfully signed up to?"
EU, I hope, are going to be a bit more hardline if this takes off.
They are going to break an international treaty and should be punished big time.
How ironic?
A report released this morning:
"The latest economic outlook from the National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR) said the Northern Ireland economy outperformed the UK average, and is now recovered to pre-pandemic levels"
All down to the protocol.
Quote from: marty34 on May 11, 2022, 10:40:54 AM
How ironic?
A report released this morning:
"The latest economic outlook from the National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR) said the Northern Ireland economy outperformed the UK average, and is now recovered to pre-pandemic levels"
All down to the protocol.
Utter balls............
It's purely down to the good protestant work ethic.
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women on nolan wants the border put back up
What time was she on?? ;D
16:90
Would yis not consider doing the morally and socially responsible thing and boycott that toxic excuse for a journalist?
Quote from: Eire90 on May 11, 2022, 09:40:22 AM
women on nolan wants the border put back up
Listened back to hear some of what was said..
Mary from Newtownabbey:
"They have put me in a position where I am not classed as living in NI, I'm in part of the EU.
I didn't ask to me put in to the EU, I said I would remain in it.
I voted, that if it came to the vote that we had to leave, that we left with Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland."
"I would say put the border back down where it was, because I was born in NI, I want to stay in NI."
"And I don't think we should condone what SF and themmuns did, because they bombed us."
Nolan intervenes to say SF didn't bomb anyone. Though she was allowed to continue on the same theme about members of SF being in the IRA.
From above too many 'nationalists' seem to be listening to Nolan.
Shouldn't be giving him any attention.
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women on nolan wants the border put back up
Listened back to hear some of what was said..
Mary from Newtownabbey:
"They have put me in a position where I am not classed as living in NI, I'm in part of the EU.
I didn't ask to me put in to the EU, I said I would remain in it.
I voted, that if it came to the vote that we had to leave, that we left with Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland."
"I would say put the border back down where it was, because I was born in NI, I want to stay in NI."
"And I don't think we should condone what SF and themmuns did, because they bombed us."
Nolan intervenes to say SF didn't bomb anyone. Though she was allowed to continue on the same theme about members of SF being in the IRA.
Donaldson, Bryson and Allister did a tour of NI before the election. They weren't talking about the Balmoral Show.
Everything seems to be sequenced with the tories. Truss is in the Telegraph suggesting unilateral changes to the Protocol.
This is a good article
https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2022/0506/1296543-northern-ireland-protocol-analysis/
Quote from: Snapchap on May 11, 2022, 10:48:33 AM
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women on nolan wants the border put back up
What time was she on?? ;D
16:90
Would yis not consider doing the morally and socially responsible thing and boycott that toxic excuse for a journalist?
I was making a joke the Snap lol.. I couldn't bring myself to listen to the fat gobshite, Jeremy Kyle of sectarianism is all he is
i usually dont listen to him but have the last few mornings will probably stop once it calms down
Quote from: Eire90 on May 11, 2022, 12:35:12 PM
i usually dont listen to him but have the last few mornings will probably stop once it calms down
dont feel lke you have to explain yourself lad, free world,
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Quote from: Eire90 on May 11, 2022, 12:35:12 PM
i usually dont listen to him but have the last few mornings will probably stop once it calms down
dont feel lke you have to explain yourself lad, free world,
Not that free, costing me a fortune now, though that's down to the protocol ;D
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Quote from: Eire90 on May 11, 2022, 12:35:12 PM
i usually dont listen to him but have the last few mornings will probably stop once it calms down
dont feel lke you have to explain yourself lad, free world,
That's not what you originally said now Fear 😉 lol
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women on nolan wants the border put back up
What time was she on?? ;D
16:90
Would yis not consider doing the morally and socially responsible thing and boycott that toxic excuse for a journalist?
I was making a joke the Snap lol.. I couldn't bring myself to listen to the fat gobshite, Jeremy Kyle of sectarianism is all he is
Missed that ;D
Eamon McCann was saying that nordies take some amount of perverse pleasure in punching above their weight when it comes to garnering and demanding attention from world politicians and media.
But then he qualified it by saying, 'northern ireland is the stone in everyone elses shoes'.
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https://www.ft.com/content/07641bed-dcce-4880-8fec-aac63429a241
UK foreign secretary Liz Truss, who has failed to secure a deal in months of talks with the EU, said in a statement late on Tuesday the current trading arrangements "fail to properly address the real issues facing Northern Ireland and in some cases would take us backwards".
Northern Ireland's main unionist party welcomed the British government's threat to rip up parts of the post-Brexit trading arrangements for the region, even if unilateral action by London triggered a trade war with Brussels
Donaldson on Wednesday threatened to go further and block even the return of the Stormont assembly by refusing to participate in the election of a speaker — Jon Tonge, politics professor at the University of Liverpool, said such a move would be "extraordinary".
These pricks are going to renege on everything and there's going to be a hard border isn't there :o
Did the Belgian PM say that they should just scrap the original brexit deal and go with a no deal if the brits want to tear up the protocol?
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 11, 2022, 05:28:05 PM
These pricks are going to renege on everything and there's going to be a hard border isn't there :o
not a chance.
If they refuse to do checks and refuse to adhere to EU standards on agri-food, it puts Irish gov in a sticky place because if Irish supply chain in turn gets compromised, a sizable export sector is put in jeopardy. Brits don't give a shit. EU can play hardball too but won't want to with a war going on where they need UK support. I suspect the UK think Europe's problems are their opportunity to act the bollocks. They control so much influence in world media that they can also portray EU as bad guys. If EU then try to protect the SM because it's not getting protected at ports, London will pounce to portray Irish gov and EU as the ones creating hard borders. They are a horrid lot.
Quote from: weareros on May 11, 2022, 06:10:08 PMBrits don't give a shit.
Brits will quickly start to give a shit when the queue for Dover starts at the M25.
https://www.ft.com/content/07641bed-dcce-4880-8fec-aac63429a241
EU diplomats said Brussels was likely to respond to any unilateral UK move by restarting legal action against London or failing to impose full checks on traders in Northern Ireland. These were paused last year to allow negotiations to continue.
The Brits need a distraction from inflation
Quote from: seafoid on May 11, 2022, 09:52:24 PM
https://www.ft.com/content/07641bed-dcce-4880-8fec-aac63429a241
EU diplomats said Brussels was likely to respond to any unilateral UK move by restarting legal action against London or failing to impose full checks on traders in Northern Ireland. These were paused last year to allow negotiations to continue.
The Brits need a distraction from inflation
How long will this legal action take and what will the outcome be?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 11, 2022, 05:31:55 PM
Did the Belgian PM say that they should just scrap the original brexit deal and go with a no deal if the brits want to tear up the protocol?
I'd be inclined to agree with that myself.
When will these people realise they don't have an empire anymore, and they can't bully the rest of the world?
tories wont care they will say people can eat for 30p a day
Quote from: red hander on May 12, 2022, 04:26:44 AM
When will these people realise they don't have an empire anymore, and they can't bully the rest of the world?
They're that corrupt the country is poor from giving money to their crony mates and they keep doing it. Empire crumbling.
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Quote from: red hander on May 12, 2022, 04:26:44 AM
When will these people realise they don't have an empire anymore, and they can't bully the rest of the world?
They're that corrupt the country is poor from giving money to their crony mates and they keep doing it. Empire crumbling.
The corruption is unbelievable but the right wing press still make labour the bogeyman and the general public are so stupid they fall for it. With a proper free, neutral press there would be riots and protests going on over what's happening with public money being funnelled the way of donors and family of tory mps.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-61417798
The government's chief law officer has received legal advice that it would be lawful to override parts of the post-Brexit treaty for Northern Ireland.
The attorney general's office said previous advice saying the opposite had changed because the agreement between the UK and EU is causing social unrest. (J Bryson)
poots just said they will have mulltiple elections untill they get what they want and they are not backing down
Quote from: Eire90 on May 12, 2022, 09:03:02 AM
poots just said they will have mulltiple elections untill they get what they want and they are not backing down
Backward, idiotic, delusional, dangerous, arrogant self important bastards. The two sides of the same coin narrative about Sinn Fein being every bit as bad as this shower needs to die. How they ever managed to power share with that shower is an absolute credit to them.
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2022, 08:25:34 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-61417798
The government's chief law officer has received legal advice that it would be lawful to override parts of the post-Brexit treaty for Northern Ireland.
The attorney general's office said previous advice saying the opposite had changed because the agreement between the UK and EU is causing social unrest. (J Bryson)
A burning bus is social unrest now, that's a low bar considering what went on in the past.
FFS they're giving the DUP/LCC more ammunition to put kids on the street to burn a few bins..
Hard to know what will happen.
As I say, what will the EU do/can do?
Seems to me that the brits can do whatever they like with an international agreement (that they negoiated, signed up to and passed in law etc.) and there'll be no punishment.
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poots just said they will have mulltiple elections untill they get what they want and they are not backing down
Backward, idiotic, delusional, dangerous, arrogant self important bastards. The two sides of the same coin narrative about Sinn Fein being every bit as bad as this shower needs to die. How they ever managed to power share with that shower is an absolute credit to them.
100%
Quote from: tiempo on May 12, 2022, 10:28:57 AM
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Quote from: Eire90 on May 12, 2022, 09:03:02 AM
poots just said they will have mulltiple elections untill they get what they want and they are not backing down
Backward, idiotic, delusional, dangerous, arrogant self important bastards. The two sides of the same coin narrative about Sinn Fein being every bit as bad as this shower needs to die. How they ever managed to power share with that shower is an absolute credit to them.
100%
SF did use the same tactic if we're being totally honest now. That is coming back to bite them.
What should happen is that any party refusing to nominate FM/DFM those MLAs should take a 2/3rd pay cut. Would focus minds.
Quote from: marty34 on May 12, 2022, 10:06:11 AM
Hard to know what will happen.
As I say, what will the EU do/can do?
Seems to me that the brits can do whatever they like with an international agreement (that they negoiated, signed up to and passed in law etc.) and there'll be no punishment.
If the UK reneges on the withdrawal agreement then the EU can impose sanctions. They would carefully design some sanction which would hit England, there is zero enthusiasm for any hardship in England in this matter. But the French could simply withdraw some customs men for "training" and create a queue for a few days.
There was a reason London signed this Protocol in the first place, they need some kind of trade agreement with the EU.
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2022, 10:47:59 AM
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Quote from: Eire90 on May 12, 2022, 09:03:02 AM
poots just said they will have mulltiple elections untill they get what they want and they are not backing down
Backward, idiotic, delusional, dangerous, arrogant self important bastards. The two sides of the same coin narrative about Sinn Fein being every bit as bad as this shower needs to die. How they ever managed to power share with that shower is an absolute credit to them.
100%
SF did use the same tactic if we're being totally honest now. That is coming back to bite them.
What should happen is that any party refusing to nominate FM/DFM those MLAs should take a 2/3rd pay cut. Would focus minds.
Aye, it's completely the same. No financial scandals or reneging on agreements after consulting with the local brigadier down the lodge or anything. Although I do agree with your last two sentences
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2022, 10:47:59 AM
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Quote from: Eire90 on May 12, 2022, 09:03:02 AM
poots just said they will have mulltiple elections untill they get what they want and they are not backing down
Backward, idiotic, delusional, dangerous, arrogant self important bastards. The two sides of the same coin narrative about Sinn Fein being every bit as bad as this shower needs to die. How they ever managed to power share with that shower is an absolute credit to them.
100%
SF did use the same tactic if we're being totally honest now. That is coming back to bite them.
What should happen is that any party refusing to nominate FM/DFM those MLAs should take a 2/3rd pay cut. Would focus minds.
Totally different as well you know. 100% pay cut would be more appropriate.
Quote from: marty34 on May 12, 2022, 10:06:11 AM
Hard to know what will happen.
As I say, what will the EU do/can do?
Seems to me that the brits can do whatever they like with an international agreement (that they negoiated, signed up to and passed in law etc.) and there'll be no punishment.
It's high risk for the UK and DUP
The DUP rejected 3 different backstop and now says no Protocol. International trade doesn't work like that.
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2022, 10:47:59 AM
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Quote from: Eire90 on May 12, 2022, 09:03:02 AM
poots just said they will have mulltiple elections untill they get what they want and they are not backing down
Backward, idiotic, delusional, dangerous, arrogant self important bastards. The two sides of the same coin narrative about Sinn Fein being every bit as bad as this shower needs to die. How they ever managed to power share with that shower is an absolute credit to them.
100%
SF did use the same tactic if we're being totally honest now. That is coming back to bite them.
What should happen is that any party refusing to nominate FM/DFM those MLAs should take a 2/3rd pay cut. Would focus minds.
If you remove all context, then yes, the two actions were the same.
But only a clown would assess a situation without context.
Quote from: general_lee on May 12, 2022, 10:57:43 AM
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Quote from: Eire90 on May 12, 2022, 09:03:02 AM
poots just said they will have mulltiple elections untill they get what they want and they are not backing down
Backward, idiotic, delusional, dangerous, arrogant self important bastards. The two sides of the same coin narrative about Sinn Fein being every bit as bad as this shower needs to die. How they ever managed to power share with that shower is an absolute credit to them.
100%
SF did use the same tactic if we're being totally honest now. That is coming back to bite them.
What should happen is that any party refusing to nominate FM/DFM those MLAs should take a 2/3rd pay cut. Would focus minds.
Aye, it's completely the same. No financial scandals or reneging on agreements after consulting with the local brigadier down the lodge or anything. Although I do agree with your last two sentences
Yes different reasons but same tactic.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 12, 2022, 10:56:24 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 12, 2022, 10:06:11 AM
Hard to know what will happen.
As I say, what will the EU do/can do?
Seems to me that the brits can do whatever they like with an international agreement (that they negoiated, signed up to and passed in law etc.) and there'll be no punishment.
If the UK reneges on the withdrawal agreement then the EU can impose sanctions. They would carefully design some sanction which would hit England, there is zero enthusiasm for any hardship in England in this matter. But the French could simply withdraw some customs men for "training" and create a queue for a few days.
There was a reason London signed this Protocol in the first place, they need some kind of trade agreement with the EU.
This is the thing. As disastrous as it would be in the short term for here, I think the EU have to go hard if the UK rip up the protocol. The EU have bent over backwards (without making a complete mockery of their own membership) to try and be accommodating and the UK have thrown it all back in their faces. They should come out and say "these are your options, this is the consequence of each option so you pick what you want. There are no other options and we can not negotiate with a country that reneges on their agreements. "
After whatever number of years now, surely all discussions have been had. I think they need to start be sharper with the UK in their public announcements and not let the UK push this line that the EU are being the protagonists.
Unfortunately the sh*t show that will follow will affect us all across the island.
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Quote from: Eire90 on May 12, 2022, 09:03:02 AM
poots just said they will have mulltiple elections untill they get what they want and they are not backing down
Backward, idiotic, delusional, dangerous, arrogant self important bastards. The two sides of the same coin narrative about Sinn Fein being every bit as bad as this shower needs to die. How they ever managed to power share with that shower is an absolute credit to them.
100%
SF did use the same tactic if we're being totally honest now. That is coming back to bite them.
What should happen is that any party refusing to nominate FM/DFM those MLAs should take a 2/3rd pay cut. Would focus minds.
Aye, it's completely the same. No financial scandals or reneging on agreements after consulting with the local brigadier down the lodge or anything. Although I do agree with your last two sentences
Yes different reasons but same tactic.
Except it's not really the same, is it? Consider the reasons for the two collapses. The DUP are refusing to form an executive because they aren't getting their way on the scrapping of the protocol, even though 55% of parties elected do not want it scrapped.
When SF pulled the pin, the DUP had been repeatedly blocking a piece of language legislation that the DUP had agreed to implement as a pre-condition for power sharing (as per the St Andrews Agreement) and a piece of legislation that the majority of parties and MLAs supported being introduced. If SF had agreed to scrap the Protocol in advance of going into the executive, then upon the formation of the executive, blocked the protocol scrapping at every turn, then you could start to talk comparisons.
SF also pulled the pin because the DUP leader refused to take responsibility for her mismanagement of the RHI scheme which cost the taxpayer around £500m. SF and Martin McGuinness actually made every effort to keep the assembly in place by scaling back their demand for resignations to merely asking Foster to step aside on a temporary basis, to allow an investigation. A fairly modest request given the circumstances, but not one the DUP would accept. Are you trying to suggest that there a parallel to that going on now? Are you suggesting the DUP tried every possible avenue to avoid the collapse, as McGuinness/SF did in 2017? You may remember McGuinness being visibly upset at the course of action he had to take purely because the DUP couldn't meet him half way. Are you suggesting Jeffrey tried his very best to keep the assembly going this time? And that he was genuinely emotionally upset at having collapsed it?
Both the DUP and the ERG/Tories want rid of the protocol for differing reasons. The DUP for identity reasons as they think it dilutes their Britishness. They are being totally disingenuous when they try and present it as detrimental to the NI economy. It is guarding us against the worst excesses of Brexit and opens up plenty of investment opportunity since the north has access to both markets. However there will be many companies who may consider investing in the north but will be holding off at present until they can be sure of the final Brexit outcome. So already the economy will be losing out on inward investment because of the instability. The DUP should just admit they are doing it for perceived constitutional reasons only and not for economic reasons, however that is not very likely to happen.
The Tories on the other hand I believe, want this instability and uncertaintly to continue. They do not want the north to flourish whilst their economy is continuing to perform very poorly since Brexit. A successful protocol would only serve to highlight the folly of Brexit.
Therefore we have a large minority of people (the DUP) who want everybody here to feel the worst effects of Brexit as those in England, Scotland and Wales.. Just as long as they are able to feel just as British as those in Finchley due to an invisible limited sea border.
Quote from: general_lee on May 12, 2022, 10:57:43 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2022, 10:47:59 AM
SF did use the same tactic if we're being totally honest now. That is coming back to bite them.
What should happen is that any party refusing to nominate FM/DFM those MLAs should take a 2/3rd pay cut. Would focus minds.
Aye, it's completely the same. No financial scandals or reneging on agreements after consulting with the local brigadier down the lodge or anything. Although I do agree with your last two sentences
You cannot compare the two situations. SF collapsed the Assembly (for far too long IMHO) because of one of the biggest financial scandals to hit these islands overseen by the DUP which to this day has been swept under the carpet and there has been no real accountability. Further to that, language legislation for Irish and Ulster Scots was agreed as part of St. Andrew's but years later the DUP are still blocking something they agreed to. And yet again with the Protocol, we have the DUP reneging on something else they signed up to. All because their Loyalist taskmasters said so.
One thing for sure is that the DUP & TUV don't care one iota for the welfare of their ordinary voters sucked in by their lies. They are the ones who will pay the price for this when the cost of living gets much worse. Jeff / Jim and their mates won't be the ones scrambling around for a few quid to feed their families and pay the bills. Everything else can go to hell so long as the Union trumps everything else. For things to get better here it will need to get a hell of a lot worse first. I don't think we have even hit rock bottom yet.
You are 100% right on the pay cut.
The DUP will be there on Friday to sign up to their payments/wages that is.... They should ensure that doesn't happen, but no doubt the rules will have it that they can't stop their money and I wonder who made these rules up? Hmmmm
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Quote from: Eire90 on May 12, 2022, 09:03:02 AM
poots just said they will have mulltiple elections untill they get what they want and they are not backing down
Backward, idiotic, delusional, dangerous, arrogant self important bastards. The two sides of the same coin narrative about Sinn Fein being every bit as bad as this shower needs to die. How they ever managed to power share with that shower is an absolute credit to them.
100%
SF did use the same tactic if we're being totally honest now. That is coming back to bite them.
What should happen is that any party refusing to nominate FM/DFM those MLAs should take a 2/3rd pay cut. Would focus minds.
Aye, it's completely the same. No financial scandals or reneging on agreements after consulting with the local brigadier down the lodge or anything. Although I do agree with your last two sentences
Yes different reasons but same tactic.
That settles the good IRA/bad IRA debate then, they're both good or both bad, you got the balls to declare?
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Quote from: Eire90 on May 12, 2022, 09:03:02 AM
poots just said they will have mulltiple elections untill they get what they want and they are not backing down
Backward, idiotic, delusional, dangerous, arrogant self important bastards. The two sides of the same coin narrative about Sinn Fein being every bit as bad as this shower needs to die. How they ever managed to power share with that shower is an absolute credit to them.
100%
SF did use the same tactic if we're being totally honest now. That is coming back to bite them.
What should happen is that any party refusing to nominate FM/DFM those MLAs should take a 2/3rd pay cut. Would focus minds.
Aye, it's completely the same. No financial scandals or reneging on agreements after consulting with the local brigadier down the lodge or anything. Although I do agree with your last two sentences
Yes different reasons but same tactic.
Except it's not really the same, is it? Consider the reasons for the two collapses. The DUP are refusing to form an executive because they aren't getting their way on the scrapping of the protocol, even though 55% of parties elected do not want it scrapped.
When SF pulled the pin, the DUP had been repeatedly blocking a piece of language legislation that the DUP had agreed to implement as a pre-condition for power sharing (as per the St Andrews Agreement) and a piece of legislation that the majority of parties and MLAs supported being introduced. If SF had agreed to scrap the Protocol in advance of going into the executive, then upon the formation of the executive, blocked the protocol scrapping at every turn, then you could start to talk comparisons.
SF also pulled the pin because the DUP leader refused to take responsibility for her mismanagement of the RHI scheme which cost the taxpayer around £500m. SF and Martin McGuinness actually made every effort to keep the assembly in place by scaling back their demand for resignations to merely asking Foster to step aside on a temporary basis, to allow an investigation. A fairly modest request given the circumstances, but not one the DUP would accept. Are you trying to suggest that there a parallel to that going on now? Are you suggesting the DUP tried every possible avenue to avoid the collapse, as McGuinness/SF did in 2017? You may remember McGuinness being visibly upset at the course of action he had to take purely because the DUP couldn't meet him half way. Are you suggesting Jeffrey tried his very best to keep the assembly going this time? And that he was genuinely emotionally upset at having collapsed it?
Everyone still got paid didn't they? 15 million quid or there abouts. BTW they went back in with no Irish language act and no resolution to RHI. WTf was it all about, meanwhile our health service went into further infrastructural decline. People have a very short memories
The mental gymnastics on this thread is frightening. SF collapsed the Assembly and kept it down by not appointing a DFM. The DUP are doing exactly the same and SF will have to accept that. You can justify the reasons all you want but those are the facts. And to cap it all off SF went back into government after 3 years having achieved precisely none of their aims.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 12:30:07 PM
Everyone still got paid didn't they?
They did. And I'd support paying them. Just not the full amount. Sitting in an assembly chamber is only a fraction of an MLA's workload. Most devote their time to constituency work and their constituency work still goes on, and their office staff still need paid.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 12:30:07 PM
BTW they went back in with no Irish language act and no resolution to RHI. WTf was it all about, meanwhile our health service went into further infrastructural decline. People have a very short memories
On an Irish Language Act - They went back in with a commitment to enact language legislation with insurance from the government - would you prefer they didn't, is that it?
On RHI "not being resolved" - WTF do you mean by "resolved? How could it have been "resolved"? The damage was done - the money gone. There was no "resolution". SF were only asking Foster to step aside for the duration of an inquiry. Since she wouldn't do so, SF removed her from office.
All that is besides the point though, isn't it? The debate was whether the two collapses were essentially for the same reasons. Are you suggesting they are? Are SF currently reneging from a previous commitment to scrap the protocol? Did the DUP just collapse it because SF were suspected of corruption/mismanagement of a £500m energy scheme?
SF collapsed the assembly when the DUP blocked legislation that was supported by a majority of parties & MLAs. The DUP have collapsed it because they want a piece of legislation brought it which is opposed by by a majority of parties & MLAs. It takes some chip on the shoulder about SF to pretend that those are the same reasons for a collapse.
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2022, 12:51:10 PM
The mental gymnastics on this thread is frightening. SF collapsed the Assembly and kept it down by not appointing a DFM. The DUP are doing exactly the same and SF will have to accept that. You can justify the reasons all you want but those are the facts. And to cap it all off SF went back into government after 3 years having achieved precisely none of their aims.
How is it mental gymnastics? As you yourself said, the tactic (collapse) is the same, but crucially, that the reasons were different. Interesting that despite accepting that he reasons are different, you don't want to get into a discussion about just how vastly different those reasons really are.
Like all good SDLP folk, you are over-keen to play the "two parties are as bad as eachother" card, but not so keen to be challenged on the details to back up the proposition.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 12:30:07 PM
Everyone still got paid didn't they?
They did. And I'd support paying them. Just not the full amount. Sitting in an assembly chamber is only a fraction of an MLA's workload. Most devote their time to constituency work and their constituency work still goes on, and their office staff still need paid.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 12:30:07 PM
BTW they went back in with no Irish language act and no resolution to RHI. WTf was it all about, meanwhile our health service went into further infrastructural decline. People have a very short memories
On an Irish Language Act - They went back in with a commitment to enact language legislation with insurance from the government - would you prefer they didn't, is that it?
On RHI "not being resolved" - WTF do you mean by "resolved? How could it have been "resolved"? The damage was done - the money gone. There was no "resolution". SF were only asking Foster to step aside for the duration of an inquiry. Since she wouldn't do so, SF removed her from office.
All that is besides the point though, isn't it? The debate was whether the two collapses were essentially for the same reasons. Are you suggesting they are? Are SF currently reneging from a previous commitment to scrap the protocol? Did the DUP just collapse it because SF were suspected of corruption/mismanagement of a £500m energy scheme?
SF collapsed the assembly when the DUP blocked legislation that was supported by a majority of parties & MLAs. The DUP have collapsed it because they want a piece of legislation brought it which is opposed by by a majority of parties & MLAs. It takes some chip on the shoulder about SF to pretend that those are the same reasons for a collapse.
When you are explaining you are losing lol. "Don't explain your philosophy. Embody it."
The man in the street gets affected the same way, reasons are irrelevant. Arlene was never removed by SF, wise up man, she came straight back in after a 3 year holiday.
When sentencing an anti protocol rioter in Derry yesterday, the judge wryly said in court that "anti-protocol protestors would do well to heed the words of Sir Edward Carson who said he was sorry he had ever heard of the Conservative Party"
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 01:01:49 PM
When you are explaining you are losing lol. "Don't explain your philosophy. Embody it."
Isn't that just you saying "anyone who doesn't see things exactly as I do is losing"
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 01:01:49 PM
The man in the street gets affected the same way, reasons are irrelevant.
The reasons are irrelevant? The DUP had made power sharing unworkable.
- They reneged on Language Act commitments, supported by a majority of MLAs, and as promised as preconditions to power sharing, back at St Andrews
- They reneged on the enactment of a Bill of Rights, supported by a majority of MLAs, as was agreed in 1998 in the GFA
- They blocked same sex marriage, despite the majority of MLAs being in support of it
- They took £500m of tax payers money and burned it in wood pellet boilers and then refused to see their leader step aside temporarily pending an investigation
- They blocked funding for legacy inquests
If you are arguing that reasons are irrelevant, then are you suggesting that the Assembly ought to have continued to function like that indefinitely and that the croppies should have just lay down? Are you suggesting that SF collapsing the assembly because the democratic wishes of a majority of MLAs weren't being respected, is no different to the DUP collapsing it because the democratic wishes of a majority of MLAs are being respected and they don't like it?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 01:01:49 PM
Arlene was never removed by SF, wise up man, she came straight back in after a 3 year holiday
If you have to rely on dishonesty, then you're not in a good place with your argument. SF weren't trying to get her to retire. They were (as I said above) trying to get her to step aside temporarily so that an inquiry could take place. That is precisely what they achieved by pulling out of the executive.
Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2022, 12:53:02 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 12:30:07 PM
Everyone still got paid didn't they?
They did. And I'd support paying them. Just not the full amount. Sitting in an assembly chamber is only a fraction of an MLA's workload. Most devote their time to constituency work and their constituency work still goes on, and their office staff still need paid.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 12:30:07 PM
BTW they went back in with no Irish language act and no resolution to RHI. WTf was it all about, meanwhile our health service went into further infrastructural decline. People have a very short memories
On an Irish Language Act - They went back in with a commitment to enact language legislation with insurance from the government - would you prefer they didn't, is that it?
On RHI "not being resolved" - WTF do you mean by "resolved? How could it have been "resolved"? The damage was done - the money gone. There was no "resolution". SF were only asking Foster to step aside for the duration of an inquiry. Since she wouldn't do so, SF removed her from office.
All that is besides the point though, isn't it? The debate was whether the two collapses were essentially for the same reasons. Are you suggesting they are? Are SF currently reneging from a previous commitment to scrap the protocol? Did the DUP just collapse it because SF were suspected of corruption/mismanagement of a £500m energy scheme?
SF collapsed the assembly when the DUP blocked legislation that was supported by a majority of parties & MLAs. The DUP have collapsed it because they want a piece of legislation brought it which is opposed by by a majority of parties & MLAs. It takes some chip on the shoulder about SF to pretend that those are the same reasons for a collapse.
Irish language act? Delivered?
Arlene Foster resignation?
No return to the status quo?
Michelle wrote an article about it https://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/26647 (https://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/26647)
The DUP are doing exactly the same as SF did. And it's the ordinary people on the street who suffer. Waiting lists ballooned during that 3 hiatus. Nurses went on strike. A mess. And the two parties who should've been in power were SF and the DUP.
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2022, 11:05:53 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 12, 2022, 10:06:11 AM
Hard to know what will happen.
As I say, what will the EU do/can do?
Seems to me that the brits can do whatever they like with an international agreement (that they negoiated, signed up to and passed in law etc.) and there'll be no punishment.
It's high risk for the UK and DUP
The DUP rejected 3 different backstop and now says no Protocol. International trade doesn't work like that.
But what's going to happen if they do?
That's my question.
Does anybody really know what the EU can/will do?
Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2022, 01:12:59 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 01:01:49 PM
When you are explaining you are losing lol. "Don't explain your philosophy. Embody it."
Isn't that just you saying "anyone who doesn't see things exactly as I do is losing"
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 01:01:49 PM
The man in the street gets affected the same way, reasons are irrelevant.
The reasons are irrelevant? The DUP had made power sharing unworkable.
- They reneged on Language Act commitments, supported by a majority of MLAs, and as promised as preconditions to power sharing, back at St Andrews
- They reneged on the enactment of a Bill of Rights, supported by a majority of MLAs, as was agreed in 1998 in the GFA
- They blocked same sex marriage, despite the majority of MLAs being in support of it
- They took £500m of tax payers money and burned it in wood pellet boilers and then refused to see their leader step aside temporarily pending an investigation
- They blocked funding for legacy inquests
If you are arguing that reasons are irrelevant, then are you suggesting that the Assembly ought to have continued to function like that indefinitely and that the croppies should have just lay down? Are you suggesting that SF collapsing the assembly because the democratic wishes of a majority of MLAs weren't being respected, is no different to the DUP collapsing it because the democratic wishes of a majority of MLAs are being respected and they don't like it?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 01:01:49 PM
Arlene was never removed by SF, wise up man, she came straight back in after a 3 year holiday
If you have to rely on dishonesty, then you're not in a good place with your argument. SF weren't trying to get her to retire. They were (as I said above) trying to get her to step aside temporarily so that an inquiry could take place. That is precisely what they achieved by pulling out of the executive.
As I said........
I can see your big red fuming head from here!
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2022, 01:13:54 PM
The DUP are doing exactly the same as SF did. And it's the ordinary people on the street who suffer. Waiting lists ballooned during that 3 hiatus. Nurses went on strike. A mess. And the two parties who should've been in power were SF and the DUP.
See here's what it all boils down to:
SF collapsed the assembly when the DUP were blocking multiple pieces of legislation that the majority of MLAs supported.
The DUP collapsed the assembly because they want legislation (on the protocol) that is NOT supported by the majority of MLAs.
You can keep trying to convince yourself that those are "exactly the same thing", but just understand that most people can see the glaring difference. Not everyone is a f**king stupid as the SDLP takes them for.
https://www.ft.com/content/30312aea-f1cc-4f62-8ea1-87ac51aee091
Some Conservative MPs are likely to resist any move that would rip up parts of Britain's Brexit treaty with the EU, and the House of Lords is also expected to be hostile. Šefčovič said the UK's threats to override the protocol would "undermine trust between the EU and UK as well as compromise our ultimate objective — to protect the Good Friday (Belfast) Agreement in all its dimensions". He also suggested that the move would empower rogue states such as Russia. "The EU and the UK are partners facing the same global challenges where upholding the rule of law and living up to international obligations is a necessity."
Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2022, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2022, 01:13:54 PM
The DUP are doing exactly the same as SF did. And it's the ordinary people on the street who suffer. Waiting lists ballooned during that 3 hiatus. Nurses went on strike. A mess. And the two parties who should've been in power were SF and the DUP.
See here's what it all boils down to:
SF collapsed the assembly when the DUP were blocking multiple pieces of legislation that the majority of MLAs supported.
The DUP collapsed the assembly because they want legislation (on the protocol) that is NOT supported by the majority of MLAs.
You can keep trying to convince yourself that those are "exactly the same thing", but just understand that most people can see the glaring difference. Not everyone is a f**king stupid as the SDLP takes them for.
SF Good, DUP Bad.
Like something out of a George Orwell novel.
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2022, 01:22:09 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2022, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2022, 01:13:54 PM
The DUP are doing exactly the same as SF did. And it's the ordinary people on the street who suffer. Waiting lists ballooned during that 3 hiatus. Nurses went on strike. A mess. And the two parties who should've been in power were SF and the DUP.
See here's what it all boils down to:
SF collapsed the assembly when the DUP were blocking multiple pieces of legislation that the majority of MLAs supported.
The DUP collapsed the assembly because they want legislation (on the protocol) that is NOT supported by the majority of MLAs.
You can keep trying to convince yourself that those are "exactly the same thing", but just understand that most people can see the glaring difference. Not everyone is a f**king stupid as the SDLP takes them for.
SF Good, DUP Bad.
Like something out of a George Orwell novel.
That's your counterargument? I was hoping you could explain how the motivations I described above for the two collapses were "exactly the same" but I should have know that that was expecting a bit much.
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2022, 01:22:09 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2022, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2022, 01:13:54 PM
The DUP are doing exactly the same as SF did. And it's the ordinary people on the street who suffer. Waiting lists ballooned during that 3 hiatus. Nurses went on strike. A mess. And the two parties who should've been in power were SF and the DUP.
See here's what it all boils down to:
SF collapsed the assembly when the DUP were blocking multiple pieces of legislation that the majority of MLAs supported.
The DUP collapsed the assembly because they want legislation (on the protocol) that is NOT supported by the majority of MLAs.
You can keep trying to convince yourself that those are "exactly the same thing", but just understand that most people can see the glaring difference. Not everyone is a f**king stupid as the SDLP takes them for.
SF Good, DUP Bad.
Like something out of a George Orwell novel.
It has been Orwellian for quite a while now, sit back and chill out, history has a great habit of repeating itself.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 01:18:55 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2022, 01:12:59 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 01:01:49 PM
When you are explaining you are losing lol. "Don't explain your philosophy. Embody it."
Isn't that just you saying "anyone who doesn't see things exactly as I do is losing"
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 01:01:49 PM
The man in the street gets affected the same way, reasons are irrelevant.
The reasons are irrelevant? The DUP had made power sharing unworkable.
- They reneged on Language Act commitments, supported by a majority of MLAs, and as promised as preconditions to power sharing, back at St Andrews
- They reneged on the enactment of a Bill of Rights, supported by a majority of MLAs, as was agreed in 1998 in the GFA
- They blocked same sex marriage, despite the majority of MLAs being in support of it
- They took £500m of tax payers money and burned it in wood pellet boilers and then refused to see their leader step aside temporarily pending an investigation
- They blocked funding for legacy inquests
If you are arguing that reasons are irrelevant, then are you suggesting that the Assembly ought to have continued to function like that indefinitely and that the croppies should have just lay down? Are you suggesting that SF collapsing the assembly because the democratic wishes of a majority of MLAs weren't being respected, is no different to the DUP collapsing it because the democratic wishes of a majority of MLAs are being respected and they don't like it?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 01:01:49 PM
Arlene was never removed by SF, wise up man, she came straight back in after a 3 year holiday
If you have to rely on dishonesty, then you're not in a good place with your argument. SF weren't trying to get her to retire. They were (as I said above) trying to get her to step aside temporarily so that an inquiry could take place. That is precisely what they achieved by pulling out of the executive.
As I said........
I can see your big red fuming head from here!
Fuming? Not in the least. SF just won the election last week, so I'm delighted. You're the one with the great bug chip on the shoulder.
I'll try asking again, just to see if you are capable of adult discussion:
- If you are arguing that reasons are irrelevant, then are you suggesting that the Assembly ought to have continued to function like that indefinitely and that the croppies should have just lay down?
- Are you suggesting that SF collapsing the assembly because the democratic wishes of a majority of MLAs weren't being respected, is no different to the DUP collapsing it because the democratic wishes of a majority of MLAs are being respected and they don't like it?
Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2022, 01:35:23 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 01:18:55 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2022, 01:12:59 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 01:01:49 PM
When you are explaining you are losing lol. "Don't explain your philosophy. Embody it."
Isn't that just you saying "anyone who doesn't see things exactly as I do is losing"
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 01:01:49 PM
The man in the street gets affected the same way, reasons are irrelevant.
The reasons are irrelevant? The DUP had made power sharing unworkable.
- They reneged on Language Act commitments, supported by a majority of MLAs, and as promised as preconditions to power sharing, back at St Andrews
- They reneged on the enactment of a Bill of Rights, supported by a majority of MLAs, as was agreed in 1998 in the GFA
- They blocked same sex marriage, despite the majority of MLAs being in support of it
- They took £500m of tax payers money and burned it in wood pellet boilers and then refused to see their leader step aside temporarily pending an investigation
- They blocked funding for legacy inquests
If you are arguing that reasons are irrelevant, then are you suggesting that the Assembly ought to have continued to function like that indefinitely and that the croppies should have just lay down? Are you suggesting that SF collapsing the assembly because the democratic wishes of a majority of MLAs weren't being respected, is no different to the DUP collapsing it because the democratic wishes of a majority of MLAs are being respected and they don't like it?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 01:01:49 PM
Arlene was never removed by SF, wise up man, she came straight back in after a 3 year holiday
If you have to rely on dishonesty, then you're not in a good place with your argument. SF weren't trying to get her to retire. They were (as I said above) trying to get her to step aside temporarily so that an inquiry could take place. That is precisely what they achieved by pulling out of the executive.
As I said........
I can see your big red fuming head from here!
Fuming? Not in the least. SF just won the election last week, so I'm delighted. You're the one with the great bug chip on the shoulder.
I'll try asking again, just to see if you are capable of adult discussion:
- If you are arguing that reasons are irrelevant, then are you suggesting that the Assembly ought to have continued to function like that indefinitely and that the croppies should have just lay down?
- Are you suggesting that SF collapsing the assembly because the democratic wishes of a majority of MLAs weren't being respected, is no different to the DUP collapsing it because the democratic wishes of a majority of MLAs are being respected and they don't like it?
Aye but
Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2022, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2022, 01:13:54 PM
The DUP are doing exactly the same as SF did. And it's the ordinary people on the street who suffer. Waiting lists ballooned during that 3 hiatus. Nurses went on strike. A mess. And the two parties who should've been in power were SF and the DUP.
See here's what it all boils down to:
SF collapsed the assembly when the DUP were blocking multiple pieces of legislation that the majority of MLAs supported.
The DUP collapsed the assembly because they want legislation (on the protocol) that is NOT supported by the majority of MLAs.
You can keep trying to convince yourself that those are "exactly the same thing", but just understand that most people can see the glaring difference. Not everyone is a f**king stupid as the SDLP takes them for.
100%
SDLP need to blame someone.
Their 'both as bad as each other' wasn't bought by the nationalist electorate last week.
People see through that Eastwood type politics.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 01:36:51 PM
Aye but
Well at least you've answered this question, even though you can't seem to answer any others
Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2022, 01:35:23 PM
I'll try asking again, just to see if you are capable of adult discussion
Sammy caught out telling a few porkies in relation to the NIP this morning on GMU;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00174hg (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00174hg)
1 hr 42 mins in.
Time this was done more often and tbh the business community need to step forward and tell it as it is.
Did the SDLP supporters not get the message from the electorate?
The people see right through this bullshit
Learn your lesson lads
Quote from: Franko on May 12, 2022, 01:48:18 PM
Did the SDLP supporters not get the message from the electorate?
The people see right through this bullshit
Learn your lesson lads
Not an SDLP supporter so cant answer for them, sorry
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 01:54:01 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 12, 2022, 01:48:18 PM
Did the SDLP supporters not get the message from the electorate?
The people see right through this bullshit
Learn your lesson lads
Not an SDLP supporter so cant answer for them, sorry
The question was rhetorical
Meanwhile away from the dreary steeples (sort of) it looks like Sefkovič sent Truss packing?
TBH i couldn't care less whether Stormont is sitting or not. Over the decade or so that it did actually function there have been about 5 pieces of legislation passed that would have any actual impact on daily life here. And these were only to mirror legislation that would probably have been introduced through the Orders in Council process from WM anyway.
The whole thing is a big white elephant hoovering public money up its trunk.
If the DUP don't want it up and running as far as I'm concerned its a massive own goal as it always was and always will be their parliament for their people.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 12, 2022, 02:10:15 PM
TBH i couldn't care less whether Stormont is sitting or not. Over the decade or so that it did actually function there have been about 5 pieces of legislation passed that would have any actual impact on daily life here. And these were only to mirror legislation that would probably have been introduced through the Orders in Council process from WM anyway.
The whole thing is a big white elephant hoovering public money up its trunk.
If the DUP don't want it up and running as far as I'm concerned its a massive own goal as it always was and always will be their parliament for their people.
Direct Rule Lol!
Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2022, 01:35:23 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 01:18:55 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2022, 01:12:59 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 01:01:49 PM
When you are explaining you are losing lol. "Don't explain your philosophy. Embody it."
Isn't that just you saying "anyone who doesn't see things exactly as I do is losing"
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 01:01:49 PM
The man in the street gets affected the same way, reasons are irrelevant.
The reasons are irrelevant? The DUP had made power sharing unworkable.
- They reneged on Language Act commitments, supported by a majority of MLAs, and as promised as preconditions to power sharing, back at St Andrews
- They reneged on the enactment of a Bill of Rights, supported by a majority of MLAs, as was agreed in 1998 in the GFA
- They blocked same sex marriage, despite the majority of MLAs being in support of it
- They took £500m of tax payers money and burned it in wood pellet boilers and then refused to see their leader step aside temporarily pending an investigation
- They blocked funding for legacy inquests
If you are arguing that reasons are irrelevant, then are you suggesting that the Assembly ought to have continued to function like that indefinitely and that the croppies should have just lay down? Are you suggesting that SF collapsing the assembly because the democratic wishes of a majority of MLAs weren't being respected, is no different to the DUP collapsing it because the democratic wishes of a majority of MLAs are being respected and they don't like it?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 01:01:49 PM
Arlene was never removed by SF, wise up man, she came straight back in after a 3 year holiday
If you have to rely on dishonesty, then you're not in a good place with your argument. SF weren't trying to get her to retire. They were (as I said above) trying to get her to step aside temporarily so that an inquiry could take place. That is precisely what they achieved by pulling out of the executive.
As I said........
I can see your big red fuming head from here!
SF just won the election last week,
We're in full Unionist DUP/ERG territory here now.
Quote from: Franko on May 12, 2022, 01:48:18 PM
Did the SDLP supporters not get the message from the electorate?
The people see right through this bullshit
Learn your lesson lads
Trailer's posts are straight out of the Eastwood big book of tactics. If the SDLP didn't learn from this election then they are in serious diffs. But at least it reduces the split in nationalists votes.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 12, 2022, 02:19:54 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 12, 2022, 01:48:18 PM
Did the SDLP supporters not get the message from the electorate?
The people see right through this bullshit
Learn your lesson lads
Trailer's posts are straight out of the Eastwood big book of tactics. If the SDLP didn't learn from this election then they are in serious diffs. But at least it reduces the split in nationalists votes.
Can't split the vote in a PR election. Back to school for you.
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2022, 02:38:39 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 12, 2022, 02:19:54 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 12, 2022, 01:48:18 PM
Did the SDLP supporters not get the message from the electorate?
The people see right through this bullshit
Learn your lesson lads
Trailer's posts are straight out of the Eastwood big book of tactics. If the SDLP didn't learn from this election then they are in serious diffs. But at least it reduces the split in nationalists votes.
Can't split the vote in a PR election. Back to school for you.
You can effect transfers sir.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 12, 2022, 01:44:07 PM
Sammy caught out telling a few porkies in relation to the NIP this morning on GMU;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00174hg (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00174hg)
1 hr 42 mins in.
Time this was done more often and tbh the business community need to step forward and tell it as it is.
Sammy was rinsed clean there from all angles, he should stick to Nolan's show
It needs done more often. They get away with too many vague comments that don't get scrutinised.
With regards to the protocol itself, it won't be the politicians who crack it. It will be the business groups who actually know what they are taking about that will come up with the solutions.
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2022, 02:38:39 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 12, 2022, 02:19:54 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 12, 2022, 01:48:18 PM
Did the SDLP supporters not get the message from the electorate?
The people see right through this bullshit
Learn your lesson lads
Trailer's posts are straight out of the Eastwood big book of tactics. If the SDLP didn't learn from this election then they are in serious diffs. But at least it reduces the split in nationalists votes.
Can't split the vote in a PR election. Back to school for you.
Clearly the message has not been received
It is truly disappointing that the SDLP has been reduced to this
Nationalism should be able to provide a decent alternative to SF - and it is weakened as a movement for not doing so
But no - instead we're left with Colum and his band of anti-SF bleaters, who sicken everyone's holes with the same inane nonsense over and over
Quote from: Franko on May 12, 2022, 04:14:31 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2022, 02:38:39 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 12, 2022, 02:19:54 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 12, 2022, 01:48:18 PM
Did the SDLP supporters not get the message from the electorate?
The people see right through this bullshit
Learn your lesson lads
Trailer's posts are straight out of the Eastwood big book of tactics. If the SDLP didn't learn from this election then they are in serious diffs. But at least it reduces the split in nationalists votes.
Can't split the vote in a PR election. Back to school for you.
Clearly the message has not been received
It is truly disappointing that the SDLP has been reduced to this
Nationalism should be able to provide a decent alternative to SF - and it is weakened as a movement for not doing so
But no - instead we're left with Colum and his band of anti-SF bleaters, who sicken everyone's holes with the same inane nonsense over and over
Jesus Christ.
In something of a shock, Emma Little Pengelly co-opted in Lagan Valley. Laughable, she she said not long ago she was leaving politics behind to go back to the law.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 12, 2022, 01:44:07 PM
Sammy caught out telling a few porkies in relation to the NIP this morning on GMU;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00174hg (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00174hg)
1 hr 42 mins in.
Time this was done more often and tbh the business community need to step forward and tell it as it is.
That's good listening.
Sammy all over the place. As you say, more questioning like this to happen - pull the DUP up on these figures.
The DUP just seem to make up stats/figures of their own.
Key think here is that it seemed a department 'comissioned' this survey - probably done deliberately to get a stat for theelection...before anybody could check it, as reporter said he had to go looking for it.
Quote from: gallsman on May 12, 2022, 05:38:17 PM
In something of a shock, Emma Little Pengelly co-opted in Lagan Valley. Laughable, she she said not long ago she was leaving politics behind to go back to the law.
Pigs in a trough come to mind.
https://www.ft.com/content/27e4ce93-a0f2-4a22-a857-6b2bdd3dc324
An analysis by Katy Hayward, professor of political sociology at Queen's University in Belfast, found 54 of the 90 elected legislators could accept the agreement with some changes vs 36 who want alternative arrangements.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 12, 2022, 06:13:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 12, 2022, 05:38:17 PM
In something of a shock, Emma Little Pengelly co-opted in Lagan Valley. Laughable, she she said not long ago she was leaving politics behind to go back to the law.
Pigs in a trough come to mind.
Would you not make more as a barrister ?
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 12, 2022, 06:18:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 12, 2022, 06:13:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 12, 2022, 05:38:17 PM
In something of a shock, Emma Little Pengelly co-opted in Lagan Valley. Laughable, she she said not long ago she was leaving politics behind to go back to the law.
Pigs in a trough come to mind.
Would you not make more as a barrister ?
Depends on how much work you get.
Sammy shown up yet again as the plonker he is. Not normally in any way remarkable but Neale Richmond on the other side is hardly what anyone might describe as an intellectual heavyweight.
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2022, 05:25:27 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 12, 2022, 04:14:31 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2022, 02:38:39 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 12, 2022, 02:19:54 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 12, 2022, 01:48:18 PM
Did the SDLP supporters not get the message from the electorate?
The people see right through this bullshit
Learn your lesson lads
Trailer's posts are straight out of the Eastwood big book of tactics. If the SDLP didn't learn from this election then they are in serious diffs. But at least it reduces the split in nationalists votes.
Can't split the vote in a PR election. Back to school for you.
Clearly the message has not been received
It is truly disappointing that the SDLP has been reduced to this
Nationalism should be able to provide a decent alternative to SF - and it is weakened as a movement for not doing so
But no - instead we're left with Colum and his band of anti-SF bleaters, who sicken everyone's holes with the same inane nonsense over and over
Jesus Christ.
He was 100% correct in what he said..
Quote from: gallsman on May 12, 2022, 06:41:51 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 12, 2022, 06:18:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 12, 2022, 06:13:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 12, 2022, 05:38:17 PM
In something of a shock, Emma Little Pengelly co-opted in Lagan Valley. Laughable, she she said not long ago she was leaving politics behind to go back to the law.
Pigs in a trough come to mind.
Would you not make more as a barrister ?
Depends on how much work you get.
Sammy shown up yet again as the plonker he is. Not normally in any way remarkable but Neale Richmond on the other side is hardly what anyone might describe as an intellectual heavyweight.
It's not about the money for these power junkies! She'd make good money as a political pundit or writing a column in the Telegraph or any other rag that'll have her.
Quote from: gallsman on May 12, 2022, 06:41:51 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 12, 2022, 06:18:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 12, 2022, 06:13:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 12, 2022, 05:38:17 PM
In something of a shock, Emma Little Pengelly co-opted in Lagan Valley. Laughable, she she said not long ago she was leaving politics behind to go back to the law.
Pigs in a trough come to mind.
Would you not make more as a barrister ?
Depends on how much work you get.
Sammy shown up yet again as the plonker he is. Not normally in any way remarkable but Neale Richmond on the other side is hardly what anyone might describe as an intellectual heavyweight.
She's someone who perceives herself to have a lot of intelligence and when voted in in south belfast just pandered to the lowest common denominator. Horrendous individual tbh and not remotely close to as intelligent as she thinks she is.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 12, 2022, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 12, 2022, 06:41:51 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 12, 2022, 06:18:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 12, 2022, 06:13:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 12, 2022, 05:38:17 PM
In something of a shock, Emma Little Pengelly co-opted in Lagan Valley. Laughable, she she said not long ago she was leaving politics behind to go back to the law.
Pigs in a trough come to mind.
Would you not make more as a barrister ?
Depends on how much work you get.
Sammy shown up yet again as the plonker he is. Not normally in any way remarkable but Neale Richmond on the other side is hardly what anyone might describe as an intellectual heavyweight.
It's not about the money for these power junkies! She'd make good money as a political pundit or writing a column in the Telegraph or any other rag that'll have her.
Yes it's all about power and influence with these people. The husband is a senior civil servant and I doubt if ELP has practiced as a barrister for a considerable period so I wouldn't think she intends returning. There are a lot of wealthy people in the DUP and a lot of it is about self preservation with them.
I feel sorry for everyone who voted for the 54 MLAs who want a functioning Assembly
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 12, 2022, 06:18:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 12, 2022, 06:13:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 12, 2022, 05:38:17 PM
In something of a shock, Emma Little Pengelly co-opted in Lagan Valley. Laughable, she she said not long ago she was leaving politics behind to go back to the law.
Pigs in a trough come to mind.
Would you not make more as a barrister ?
Aye but you have to do real days work
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2022, 05:25:27 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 12, 2022, 04:14:31 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2022, 02:38:39 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 12, 2022, 02:19:54 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 12, 2022, 01:48:18 PM
Did the SDLP supporters not get the message from the electorate?
The people see right through this bullshit
Learn your lesson lads
Trailer's posts are straight out of the Eastwood big book of tactics. If the SDLP didn't learn from this election then they are in serious diffs. But at least it reduces the split in nationalists votes.
Can't split the vote in a PR election. Back to school for you.
Clearly the message has not been received
It is truly disappointing that the SDLP has been reduced to this
Nationalism should be able to provide a decent alternative to SF - and it is weakened as a movement for not doing so
But no - instead we're left with Colum and his band of anti-SF bleaters, who sicken everyone's holes with the same inane nonsense over and over
Jesus Christ.
I'm not even sure he could help at this stage
The cognitive dissonance is just too severe
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 12, 2022, 08:11:35 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 12, 2022, 06:18:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 12, 2022, 06:13:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 12, 2022, 05:38:17 PM
In something of a shock, Emma Little Pengelly co-opted in Lagan Valley. Laughable, she she said not long ago she was leaving politics behind to go back to the law.
Pigs in a trough come to mind.
Would you not make more as a barrister ?
Aye but you have to do real days work
And her on the TV as an "analyst" of the election. That said she is probably more able than many in the DUP.
As for being a barrister, sure what do you do but argue, we do that here for nothing.
Quote from: marty34 on May 12, 2022, 05:53:41 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 12, 2022, 01:44:07 PM
Sammy caught out telling a few porkies in relation to the NIP this morning on GMU;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00174hg (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00174hg)
1 hr 42 mins in.
Time this was done more often and tbh the business community need to step forward and tell it as it is.
That's good listening.
Sammy all over the place. As you say, more questioning like this to happen - pull the DUP up on these figures.
The DUP just seem to make up stats/figures of their own.
Key think here is that it seemed a department 'comissioned' this survey - probably done deliberately to get a stat for theelection...before anybody could check it, as reporter said he had to go looking for it.
It was worse than that, the selectively leaked survey was widely quoted by the DUP before the election, however the survey was not available for scrutiny by reporters until after the election .
And of course the DUP interpretation of the survey contradicted reality.
Quote from: Main Street on May 12, 2022, 08:56:26 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 12, 2022, 05:53:41 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 12, 2022, 01:44:07 PM
Sammy caught out telling a few porkies in relation to the NIP this morning on GMU;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00174hg (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00174hg)
1 hr 42 mins in.
Time this was done more often and tbh the business community need to step forward and tell it as it is.
That's good listening.
Sammy all over the place. As you say, more questioning like this to happen - pull the DUP up on these figures.
The DUP just seem to make up stats/figures of their own.
Key think here is that it seemed a department 'comissioned' this survey - probably done deliberately to get a stat for theelection...before anybody could check it, as reporter said he had to go looking for it.
It was worse than that, the selectively leaked survey was widely quoted by the DUP before the election, however the survey was not available for scrutiny by reporters until after the election .
And of course the DUP interpretation of the survey contradicted reality.
Ask where the 'survey' came from?
Quote from: marty34 on May 12, 2022, 09:02:19 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 12, 2022, 08:56:26 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 12, 2022, 05:53:41 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 12, 2022, 01:44:07 PM
Sammy caught out telling a few porkies in relation to the NIP this morning on GMU;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00174hg (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00174hg)
1 hr 42 mins in.
Time this was done more often and tbh the business community need to step forward and tell it as it is.
That's good listening.
Sammy all over the place. As you say, more questioning like this to happen - pull the DUP up on these figures.
The DUP just seem to make up stats/figures of their own.
Key think here is that it seemed a department 'comissioned' this survey - probably done deliberately to get a stat for theelection...before anybody could check it, as reporter said he had to go looking for it.
It was worse than that, the selectively leaked survey was widely quoted by the DUP before the election, however the survey was not available for scrutiny by reporters until after the election .
And of course the DUP interpretation of the survey contradicted reality.
Ask where the 'survey' came from?
Where did the survey come from?
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2022, 07:41:13 PM
I feel sorry for everyone who voted for the 54 MLAs who want a functioning Assembly
More than 54 surely?
That is presumably the number of non dup mlas.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 12, 2022, 09:44:37 PM
That is presumably the number of non dup mlas.
did they not only get 26? Maybe hes including UUP and that other little clown.
Every channel north, south and across the water is talking about the Protocol and how it needs to change for the "peace and prosperity of NI".
Some have pointed to the election of 54 pro-Protocol MLA's, but surely at this point it makes more sense to have a referendum and allow the people in the North to have a proper voice, not have everyone assume and speak on our behalf.
I would say it would far exceed 70% in favour, to put an end to this rubbish, and highlight even more how much of a roadblock the DUP are, even with a minority electorate.
Quote from: Walter White on May 12, 2022, 10:29:00 PM
Every channel north, south and across the water is talking about the Protocol and how it needs to change for the "peace and prosperity of NI".
Some have pointed to the election of 54 pro-Protocol MLA's, but surely at this point it makes more sense to have a referendum and allow the people in the North to have a proper voice, not have everyone assume and speak on our behalf.
I would say it would far exceed 70% in favour, to put an end to this rubbish, and highlight even more how much of a roadblock the DUP are, even with a minority electorate.
It'd pass, but honestly don't think it's the sort of thing ordinary people should be voting on, we know all the lies that will be spouted. How many on here would honestly know the ins and outs of it?
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2022, 10:54:21 PM
Quote from: Walter White on May 12, 2022, 10:29:00 PM
Every channel north, south and across the water is talking about the Protocol and how it needs to change for the "peace and prosperity of NI".
Some have pointed to the election of 54 pro-Protocol MLA's, but surely at this point it makes more sense to have a referendum and allow the people in the North to have a proper voice, not have everyone assume and speak on our behalf.
I would say it would far exceed 70% in favour, to put an end to this rubbish, and highlight even more how much of a roadblock the DUP are, even with a minority electorate.
It'd pass, but honestly don't think it's the sort of thing ordinary people should be voting on, we know all the lies that will be spouted. How many on here would honestly know the ins and outs of it?
I accept your point, and we know how much false information is spread. However, I don't think the question to the ordinary person should be "Should the Protocol be retained in it's current form" - as to your point, very few would have the information to answer properly.
Instead, I think a simple question of "Does the NI Protocol, in it's current form, have a material adverse impact on your day-to-day life either personally or professionally - yes/no"
I live in a rural area, I work in Belfast and deal with a large number of people who span many different professional sectors, and I would say the positive:negative ratio is about 5:1 in my experience.
Surely if a large majority stated that the Protocol had no material impact, the UK Government will be challenged when using NI as pawns to create a trade war.
In my view, the Protocol is working, and the figures back that up. It shows that the harder the Brexit, the worse-off you are. The UKG wants rid of the Protocol as it is absolute comparable proof that they have shot themselves, and the British people, in the foot.
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/former-secretary-julian-smith-questions-if-tory-mps-are-using-northern-ireland-for-other-agendas-in-protocol-row-41644523.html
Some Conservative Party MPs are using Northern Ireland "for other agendas" according to the former Secretary of State Julian Smith.
In an interview with Politics Home's podcast The Rundown, Smith suggested there was a "question" over how committed some MPs are to Northern Ireland.
"My priority as somebody that really wants to stand up for Northern Ireland is to make sure as we go through the coming weeks that Northern Ireland's priorities and requirements are front and center, and not being used as a vehicle for other people's priorities," he said.
Smith urged the EU to "shift" its negotiation position in a bid to persuade the DUP to take part in the Stormont institutions.
"The message I'm trying to communicate to EU interlocutors is: you might not want to shift for the ERG [European Research Group of backbench Conservative MPs], but do listen to Northern Ireland and political unionism on what it needs to give them," he added.
Not long I fear before the "bomb and the bullet" card gets played by unionism so as to force the EUs hand. The UK government will be happy to have the leverage
A Queen's University professor has suggested that Britain may try to claim back the entire island of Ireland in the event of Sinn Féin leading government in both Belfast and Dublin.
In an opinion piece published by RTE, Prof Cathal McCall, who teaches European politics and borders at Queen's, said some Tories still believe Ireland "belongs to Britain".
"After all, it was Britain's 100 [years] ago and it still holds a part of it, so why not all of it?", he added.
The author of the book Border Ireland: From Partition To Brexit, Prof McCall said opinion polls suggest "Sinn Féin will also be the unassailable victor in the next Irish general election", due to take place in 2025.
"A Sinn Féin taoiseach is in the offing for the first time in the history of the state," he said.
"What would be the British government's attitude to Sinn Féin's electoral dominance on the island of Ireland should it materialise?"
Prof McCall said that Britain could "respect the democratic decisions taken, north and south, and pledge to advance British-Irish intergovernmental cooperation with the Irish republican interlopers".
Quote from: Eire90 on May 13, 2022, 06:34:56 AM
A Queen's University professor has suggested that Britain may try to claim back the entire island of Ireland in the event of Sinn Féin leading government in both Belfast and Dublin.
In an opinion piece published by RTE, Prof Cathal McCall, who teaches European politics and borders at Queen's, said some Tories still believe Ireland "belongs to Britain".
"After all, it was Britain's 100 [years] ago and it still holds a part of it, so why not all of it?", he added.
The author of the book Border Ireland: From Partition To Brexit, Prof McCall said opinion polls suggest "Sinn Féin will also be the unassailable victor in the next Irish general election", due to take place in 2025.
"A Sinn Féin taoiseach is in the offing for the first time in the history of the state," he said.
"What would be the British government's attitude to Sinn Féin's electoral dominance on the island of Ireland should it materialise?"
Prof McCall said that Britain could "respect the democratic decisions taken, north and south, and pledge to advance British-Irish intergovernmental cooperation with the Irish republican interlopers".
That shower of f**kers in RTÉ's wet dream.
Quote from: theskull1 on May 13, 2022, 06:30:21 AM
Not long I fear before the "bomb and the bullet" card gets played by unionism so as to force the EUs hand. The UK government will be happy to have the leverage
Apparently poots said on Nolan - it's either the protocol or the peace process.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 13, 2022, 07:57:40 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on May 13, 2022, 06:30:21 AM
Not long I fear before the "bomb and the bullet" card gets played by unionism so as to force the EUs hand. The UK government will be happy to have the leverage
Apparently poots said on Nolan - it's either the protocol or the peace process.
What are they going to do? Attack innocent unarmed Catholics/foreigners?
The tories want chaos if i was putting on a tin foil hat id not be suprise if we see them doing false flag attacks to blame the irish
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 13, 2022, 08:07:29 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 13, 2022, 07:57:40 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on May 13, 2022, 06:30:21 AM
Not long I fear before the "bomb and the bullet" card gets played by unionism so as to force the EUs hand. The UK government will be happy to have the leverage
Apparently poots said on Nolan - it's either the protocol or the peace process.
What are they going to do? Attack innocent unarmed Catholics/foreigners?
Your guess is as good as mine but the Holy Cross thing and Coveney threat wasn't a good start.
The brits love this. It's a stick for them to beat the EU with.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 13, 2022, 08:32:39 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 13, 2022, 08:07:29 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 13, 2022, 07:57:40 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on May 13, 2022, 06:30:21 AM
Not long I fear before the "bomb and the bullet" card gets played by unionism so as to force the EUs hand. The UK government will be happy to have the leverage
Apparently poots said on Nolan - it's either the protocol or the peace process.
What are they going to do? Attack innocent unarmed Catholics/foreigners?
Your guess is as good as mine but the Holy Cross thing and Coveney threat wasn't a good start.
The brits love this. It's a stick for them to beat the EU with.
That's my only fear tbh. History shows hows how dangerous the c***ts can be with the Brits backing and arming them. You'd like to think it would never go back to that but would you honestly put anything past the Tories?
was the coveny thing organised or a lone nut i suppose if you enough lone nuts it can cause chaos
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 13, 2022, 08:45:23 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 13, 2022, 08:32:39 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 13, 2022, 08:07:29 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 13, 2022, 07:57:40 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on May 13, 2022, 06:30:21 AM
Not long I fear before the "bomb and the bullet" card gets played by unionism so as to force the EUs hand. The UK government will be happy to have the leverage
Apparently poots said on Nolan - it's either the protocol or the peace process.
What are they going to do? Attack innocent unarmed Catholics/foreigners?
Your guess is as good as mine but the Holy Cross thing and Coveney threat wasn't a good start.
The brits love this. It's a stick for them to beat the EU with.
That's my only fear tbh. History shows hows how dangerous the c***ts can be with the Brits backing and arming them. You'd like to think it would never go back to that but would you honestly put anything past the Tories?
It's a bit like the pandemic really - peasants are disposable. May have been a lone nut. The DUP and various other loyalist wing nuts are whipping up a frenzy though.
(I don't think there will be anything particularly much tbh but I do think that neither the DUP or the tories would really care if there was.)
Let them riot and burn down their own areas and stop their own bus services. The fight isn't with catholics, its with the British government that brought in the protocol, any deviation away from that should be pulled by the media and questions by those encouraging it and those running it
Oh and its handy that its coming into marching season too :D
It's been portrayed as being with the EU and Irish government though.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 13, 2022, 09:07:02 AM
It's been portrayed as being with the EU and Irish government though.
Again this should be pulled up on, Boris should be at the top of the bonfire this year but no doubt that will be saved for the first minister of NI lol!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2022, 09:05:41 AM
Let them riot and burn down their own areas and stop their own bus services. The fight isn't with catholics, its with the British government that brought in the protocol, any deviation away from that should be pulled by the media and questions by those encouraging it and those running it
Oh and its handy that its coming into marching season too :D
I'm sure they'll find some way to blame the Catholics.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 13, 2022, 09:10:58 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2022, 09:05:41 AM
Let them riot and burn down their own areas and stop their own bus services. The fight isn't with catholics, its with the British government that brought in the protocol, any deviation away from that should be pulled by the media and questions by those encouraging it and those running it
Oh and its handy that its coming into marching season too :D
I'm sure they'll find some way to blame the Catholics.
If the media allow it, and at the end of the day they are controlled by in large by the government to a degree, they could spin it that way..
While it was great to see Alliance do well it would have served the Nationalists voters better had more nationalist/republican MLA's been voted in but both sets SF/SDLP have no real love for each other, which is strange because at the core of their political views is a UI...
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2022, 09:09:19 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 13, 2022, 09:07:02 AM
It's been portrayed as being with the EU and Irish government though.
Again this should be pulled up on, Boris should be at the top of the bonfire this year but no doubt that will be saved for the first minister of NI lol!
Pulled up by who? No one pulls Johnson on anything - sure he says and does what he likes and then Starmer gets made the villain.
As pointed out by the NI Twitterati the UK Attorney General last night on Question Time slipped in that the Protocol was causing GB businesses to look at basing in NI.
Not a good thing for the Torys I'd have thought..
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 13, 2022, 07:07:43 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 13, 2022, 06:34:56 AM
A Queen's University professor has suggested that Britain may try to claim back the entire island of Ireland in the event of Sinn Féin leading government in both Belfast and Dublin.
In an opinion piece published by RTE, Prof Cathal McCall, who teaches European politics and borders at Queen's, said some Tories still believe Ireland "belongs to Britain".
"After all, it was Britain's 100 [years] ago and it still holds a part of it, so why not all of it?", he added.
The author of the book Border Ireland: From Partition To Brexit, Prof McCall said opinion polls suggest "Sinn Féin will also be the unassailable victor in the next Irish general election", due to take place in 2025.
"A Sinn Féin taoiseach is in the offing for the first time in the history of the state," he said.
"What would be the British government's attitude to Sinn Féin's electoral dominance on the island of Ireland should it materialise?"
Prof McCall said that Britain could "respect the democratic decisions taken, north and south, and pledge to advance British-Irish intergovernmental cooperation with the Irish republican interlopers".
That shower of f**kers in RTÉ's wet dream.
RTÉ??
That nutcase is hired by Queens University as a professor of History, one that contemplates a scenario where Britain would wage a war against an EU member, a country they don't really give a shít about. The professor's need for attention has overwhelmed him.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2022, 09:26:18 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 13, 2022, 09:10:58 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2022, 09:05:41 AM
Let them riot and burn down their own areas and stop their own bus services. The fight isn't with catholics, its with the British government that brought in the protocol, any deviation away from that should be pulled by the media and questions by those encouraging it and those running it
Oh and its handy that its coming into marching season too :D
I'm sure they'll find some way to blame the Catholics.
If the media allow it, and at the end of the day they are controlled by in large by the government to a degree, they could spin it that way..
While it was great to see Alliance do well it would have served the Nationalists voters better had more nationalist/republican MLA's been voted in but both sets SF/SDLP have no real love for each other, which is strange because at the core of their political views is a UI...
Been saying that a long time, the nastiness against fellow nationalists(both ways) baffles me. SF pushed Allliance over SDLP to get full control over nationalist community, difficult times ahead now for Alliance I think
Quote from: Main Street on May 13, 2022, 11:09:01 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 13, 2022, 07:07:43 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 13, 2022, 06:34:56 AM
A Queen's University professor has suggested that Britain may try to claim back the entire island of Ireland in the event of Sinn Féin leading government in both Belfast and Dublin.
In an opinion piece published by RTE, Prof Cathal McCall, who teaches European politics and borders at Queen's, said some Tories still believe Ireland "belongs to Britain".
"After all, it was Britain's 100 [years] ago and it still holds a part of it, so why not all of it?", he added.
The author of the book Border Ireland: From Partition To Brexit, Prof McCall said opinion polls suggest "Sinn Féin will also be the unassailable victor in the next Irish general election", due to take place in 2025.
"A Sinn Féin taoiseach is in the offing for the first time in the history of the state," he said.
"What would be the British government's attitude to Sinn Féin's electoral dominance on the island of Ireland should it materialise?"
Prof McCall said that Britain could "respect the democratic decisions taken, north and south, and pledge to advance British-Irish intergovernmental cooperation with the Irish republican interlopers".
That shower of f**kers in RTÉ's wet dream.
RTÉ??
That nutcase is hired by Queens University as a professor of History, one that contemplates a scenario where Britain would wage a war against an EU member, a country they don't really give a shít about. The professor's need for attention has overwhelmed him.
Its SF facism-dont worry about it.
Shout loud enough and often enough and the sheep will listen
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: Main Street on May 13, 2022, 11:09:01 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 13, 2022, 07:07:43 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 13, 2022, 06:34:56 AM
A Queen's University professor has suggested that Britain may try to claim back the entire island of Ireland in the event of Sinn Féin leading government in both Belfast and Dublin.
In an opinion piece published by RTE, Prof Cathal McCall, who teaches European politics and borders at Queen's, said some Tories still believe Ireland "belongs to Britain".
"After all, it was Britain's 100 [years] ago and it still holds a part of it, so why not all of it?", he added.
The author of the book Border Ireland: From Partition To Brexit, Prof McCall said opinion polls suggest "Sinn Féin will also be the unassailable victor in the next Irish general election", due to take place in 2025.
"A Sinn Féin taoiseach is in the offing for the first time in the history of the state," he said.
"What would be the British government's attitude to Sinn Féin's electoral dominance on the island of Ireland should it materialise?"
Prof McCall said that Britain could "respect the democratic decisions taken, north and south, and pledge to advance British-Irish intergovernmental cooperation with the Irish republican interlopers".
That shower of f**kers in RTÉ's wet dream.
RTÉ??
That nutcase is hired by Queens University as a professor of History, one that contemplates a scenario where Britain would wage a war against an EU member, a country they don't really give a shít about. The professor's need for attention has overwhelmed him.
Its SF facism-dont worry about it.
Shout loud enough and often enough and the sheep will listen
A tactic you are fond of yourself when it comes to SF
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: Main Street on May 13, 2022, 11:09:01 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 13, 2022, 07:07:43 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 13, 2022, 06:34:56 AM
A Queen's University professor has suggested that Britain may try to claim back the entire island of Ireland in the event of Sinn Féin leading government in both Belfast and Dublin.
In an opinion piece published by RTE, Prof Cathal McCall, who teaches European politics and borders at Queen's, said some Tories still believe Ireland "belongs to Britain".
"After all, it was Britain's 100 [years] ago and it still holds a part of it, so why not all of it?", he added.
The author of the book Border Ireland: From Partition To Brexit, Prof McCall said opinion polls suggest "Sinn Féin will also be the unassailable victor in the next Irish general election", due to take place in 2025.
"A Sinn Féin taoiseach is in the offing for the first time in the history of the state," he said.
"What would be the British government's attitude to Sinn Féin's electoral dominance on the island of Ireland should it materialise?"
Prof McCall said that Britain could "respect the democratic decisions taken, north and south, and pledge to advance British-Irish intergovernmental cooperation with the Irish republican interlopers".
That shower of f**kers in RTÉ's wet dream.
RTÉ??
That nutcase is hired by Queens University as a professor of History, one that contemplates a scenario where Britain would wage a war against an EU member, a country they don't really give a shít about. The professor's need for attention has overwhelmed him.
Its SF facism-dont worry about it.
Shout loud enough and often enough and the sheep will listen
You're on the whiskey early today.
I dont know. The middle ground voter is always the sway. Alliance simply were mush more positive and progressive than SDLP, and this had little to do with SF. Nationalists in the main part voted for progressive parties as they want to get on with things..
The national question helps largesse the voting numbers but I think in the main people want a better life and voted for those they feel are best placed to help. Unionism voted differently to prioritise the national question rather than any progressive or social improvement agenda.
Quote from: Main Street on May 13, 2022, 11:09:01 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 13, 2022, 07:07:43 AM
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A Queen's University professor has suggested that Britain may try to claim back the entire island of Ireland in the event of Sinn Féin leading government in both Belfast and Dublin.
In an opinion piece published by RTE, Prof Cathal McCall, who teaches European politics and borders at Queen's, said some Tories still believe Ireland "belongs to Britain".
"After all, it was Britain's 100 [years] ago and it still holds a part of it, so why not all of it?", he added.
The author of the book Border Ireland: From Partition To Brexit, Prof McCall said opinion polls suggest "Sinn Féin will also be the unassailable victor in the next Irish general election", due to take place in 2025.
"A Sinn Féin taoiseach is in the offing for the first time in the history of the state," he said.
"What would be the British government's attitude to Sinn Féin's electoral dominance on the island of Ireland should it materialise?"
Prof McCall said that Britain could "respect the democratic decisions taken, north and south, and pledge to advance British-Irish intergovernmental cooperation with the Irish republican interlopers".
That shower of f**kers in RTÉ's wet dream.
RTÉ??
That nutcase is hired by Queens University as a professor of History, one that contemplates a scenario where Britain would wage a war against an EU member, a country they don't really give a shít about. The professor's need for attention has overwhelmed him.
He might be from QUB, but it was RTÉ who published his tripe. Goes to show that there really is no depth that RTÉ wont sink to in their attempts to scare people away from voting SF. It's laughable, really - "If you vote SF, the Brits will invade the next morning". Bizarre. How did that man become a professor!
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:09:59 AM
SF pushed Allliance over SDLP to get full control over nationalist community, difficult times ahead now for Alliance I think
Good to see a bit of dry weather. That was a few very wet & windy days that SF caused there wasn't it, Fear?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:09:59 AM
Been saying that a long time, the nastiness against fellow nationalists(both ways) baffles me. SF pushed Allliance over SDLP to get full control over nationalist community, difficult times ahead now for Alliance I think
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Its SF facism-dont worry about it.
Shout loud enough and often enough and the sheep will listen
;D ;D
In consecutive posts no less!
You wouldn't often be mistaken for 'a thinking man' Fear
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:09:59 AM
Been saying that a long time, the nastiness against fellow nationalists(both ways) baffles me. SF pushed Allliance over SDLP to get full control over nationalist community, difficult times ahead now for Alliance I think
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Its SF facism-dont worry about it.
Shout loud enough and often enough and the sheep will listen
;D ;D
In consecutive posts no less!
You wouldn't often be mistaken for 'a thinking man' Fear
😂😂
Lets just come back on this in lets say 2 years. Alliance will be the new stoops. FACT. They will not be allowed to remain "other" in certain peoples minds. Border Poll Now!
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:09:59 AM
Been saying that a long time, the nastiness against fellow nationalists(both ways) baffles me. SF pushed Allliance over SDLP to get full control over nationalist community, difficult times ahead now for Alliance I think
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Its SF facism-dont worry about it.
Shout loud enough and often enough and the sheep will listen
;D ;D
In consecutive posts no less!
You wouldn't often be mistaken for 'a thinking man' Fear
Im talking about strategy within nationalism and you know that.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:57:03 AM
Lets just come back on this in lets say 2 years. Alliance will be the new stoops. FACT. They will not be allowed to remain "other" in certain peoples minds.
Hold on, you mean SF are actively trying to beat other parties in elections??? Huge if true!
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:57:03 AM
Border Poll Now!
Who's calling for a border poll now?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2022, 09:26:18 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 13, 2022, 09:10:58 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2022, 09:05:41 AM
Let them riot and burn down their own areas and stop their own bus services. The fight isn't with catholics, its with the British government that brought in the protocol, any deviation away from that should be pulled by the media and questions by those encouraging it and those running it
Oh and its handy that its coming into marching season too :D
I'm sure they'll find some way to blame the Catholics.
If the media allow it, and at the end of the day they are controlled by in large by the government to a degree, they could spin it that way..
While it was great to see Alliance do well it would have served the Nationalists voters better had more nationalist/republican MLA's been voted in but both sets SF/SDLP have no real love for each other, which is strange because at the core of their political views is a UI...
Been saying that a long time, the nastiness against fellow nationalists(both ways) baffles me. SF pushed Allliance over SDLP to get full control over nationalist community, difficult times ahead now for Alliance I think
Did they? I don't recall SF pushing anybody but themselves.
Quote from: Snapchap on May 13, 2022, 12:10:55 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:57:03 AM
Lets just come back on this in lets say 2 years. Alliance will be the new stoops. FACT. They will not be allowed to remain "other" in certain peoples minds.
Hold on, you mean SF are actively trying to beat other parties in elections??? Huge if true!
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:57:03 AM
Border Poll Now!
Who's calling for a border poll now?
Mary Lou as of 7th May-keep up lad. Im all for it. Just Alliance will be forced off the fence, the new STOOPS as I said
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 12:23:13 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 13, 2022, 12:10:55 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:57:03 AM
Lets just come back on this in lets say 2 years. Alliance will be the new stoops. FACT. They will not be allowed to remain "other" in certain peoples minds.
Hold on, you mean SF are actively trying to beat other parties in elections??? Huge if true!
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:57:03 AM
Border Poll Now!
Who's calling for a border poll now?
Mary Lou as of 7th May-keep up lad. Im all for it. Just Alliance will be forced off the fence, the new STOOPS as I said
Didn't she say she wanted one in 5 years? Is that somehow the same thing as saying "Border Poll Now!"?
Quote from: yellowcard on May 13, 2022, 12:18:11 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2022, 09:26:18 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 13, 2022, 09:10:58 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2022, 09:05:41 AM
Let them riot and burn down their own areas and stop their own bus services. The fight isn't with catholics, its with the British government that brought in the protocol, any deviation away from that should be pulled by the media and questions by those encouraging it and those running it
Oh and its handy that its coming into marching season too :D
I'm sure they'll find some way to blame the Catholics.
If the media allow it, and at the end of the day they are controlled by in large by the government to a degree, they could spin it that way..
While it was great to see Alliance do well it would have served the Nationalists voters better had more nationalist/republican MLA's been voted in but both sets SF/SDLP have no real love for each other, which is strange because at the core of their political views is a UI...
Been saying that a long time, the nastiness against fellow nationalists(both ways) baffles me. SF pushed Allliance over SDLP to get full control over nationalist community, difficult times ahead now for Alliance I think
Did they? I don't recall SF pushing anybody but themselves.
Over the last number of elections here in Derry they have been actively at Cumann level and at the doors encouraging a squeeze on SDLP by asking voters to give preferences to Alliance over SDLP. I worked close to SF in the community in 2019 when they encouraged this for the first time in Foyle-the ended up losing 5 council seats. They lost another 4.5% of the vote there last week locally
Quote from: Snapchap on May 13, 2022, 12:26:04 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 12:23:13 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 13, 2022, 12:10:55 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:57:03 AM
Lets just come back on this in lets say 2 years. Alliance will be the new stoops. FACT. They will not be allowed to remain "other" in certain peoples minds.
Hold on, you mean SF are actively trying to beat other parties in elections??? Huge if true!
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:57:03 AM
Border Poll Now!
Who's calling for a border poll now?
Mary Lou as of 7th May-keep up lad. Im all for it. Just Alliance will be forced off the fence, the new STOOPS as I said
Didn't she say she wanted one in 5 years? Is that somehow the same thing as saying "Border Poll Now!"?
Great. Plenty of time for Alliance to become taigs then lol
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 12:29:43 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 13, 2022, 12:26:04 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 12:23:13 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 13, 2022, 12:10:55 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:57:03 AM
Lets just come back on this in lets say 2 years. Alliance will be the new stoops. FACT. They will not be allowed to remain "other" in certain peoples minds.
Hold on, you mean SF are actively trying to beat other parties in elections??? Huge if true!
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:57:03 AM
Border Poll Now!
Who's calling for a border poll now?
Mary Lou as of 7th May-keep up lad. Im all for it. Just Alliance will be forced off the fence, the new STOOPS as I said
Didn't she say she wanted one in 5 years? Is that somehow the same thing as saying "Border Poll Now!"?
Great. Plenty of time for Alliance to become taigs then lol
So just for clarity, you're accepting that you were lying through your teeth when you said SF were calling for a border poll to happen now?
Quote from: Snapchap on May 13, 2022, 12:31:34 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 12:29:43 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 13, 2022, 12:26:04 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 12:23:13 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 13, 2022, 12:10:55 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:57:03 AM
Lets just come back on this in lets say 2 years. Alliance will be the new stoops. FACT. They will not be allowed to remain "other" in certain peoples minds.
Hold on, you mean SF are actively trying to beat other parties in elections??? Huge if true!
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:57:03 AM
Border Poll Now!
Who's calling for a border poll now?
Mary Lou as of 7th May-keep up lad. Im all for it. Just Alliance will be forced off the fence, the new STOOPS as I said
Didn't she say she wanted one in 5 years? Is that somehow the same thing as saying "Border Poll Now!"?
Great. Plenty of time for Alliance to become taigs then lol
So just for clarity, you're accepting that you were lying through your teeth when you said SF were calling for a border poll to happen now?
Yes i was lying sorry lol. Wise up what are you me ma? Im sticking my tongue out for you as I type and its pure black
They have been calling for polls for years and cooled off because they know they wont win it yet and it isnt at the forefront of voters minds. Dont take things literally.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 12:43:09 PM
Yes i was lying
Second day in a row you've been caught out doing that. It's becoming a habit.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 12:43:09 PM
They have been calling for polls for years
Doesn't change the fact that they are not calling for an immediate one, as you tied to get away with claiming they are.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 12:43:09 PM
Dont take things literally.
Can't take your workds too literally anyway, apparently. And you obviously didn't take Mary Lou literally when you heard her say "border poll in five years" and managed to turned that into an attack on SF by claiming she was calling for an immediate poll.
As I said only yesterday,
Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2022, 01:12:59 PM
If you have to rely on dishonesty, then you're not in a good place with your argument.
Quote from: Snapchap on May 13, 2022, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 12:43:09 PM
Yes i was lying
Second day in a row you've been caught out doing that. It's becoming a habit.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 12:43:09 PM
They have been calling for polls for years
Doesn't change the fact that they are not calling for an immediate one, as you tied to get away with claiming they are.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 12:43:09 PM
Dont take things literally.
Can't take your workds too literally anyway, apparently. And you obviously didn't take Mary Lou literally when you heard her say "border poll in five years" and managed to turned that into an attack on SF by claiming she was calling for an immediate poll.
As I said only yesterday, Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2022, 01:12:59 PM
If you have to rely on dishonesty, then you're not in a good place with your argument.
Chill out bigman, its ok its only a forum
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 12:05:27 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:09:59 AM
Been saying that a long time, the nastiness against fellow nationalists(both ways) baffles me. SF pushed Allliance over SDLP to get full control over nationalist community, difficult times ahead now for Alliance I think
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Its SF facism-dont worry about it.
Shout loud enough and often enough and the sheep will listen
;D ;D
In consecutive posts no less!
You wouldn't often be mistaken for 'a thinking man' Fear
Im talking about strategy within nationalism and you know that.
Are you not 'within nationalism'? ???
Or have Aontu redesignated?
Spot the difference:
Naomi Long (Leaders debate 3rd May):
Said it would be "obscene" for politicians to accept a salary if the assembly isn't functioning.'
Naomi Long today:
Said that she has told the Sec of State that "anyone blocking the election of a speaker should lose their salary".
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 01:11:34 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 12:05:27 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:09:59 AM
Been saying that a long time, the nastiness against fellow nationalists(both ways) baffles me. SF pushed Allliance over SDLP to get full control over nationalist community, difficult times ahead now for Alliance I think
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Its SF facism-dont worry about it.
Shout loud enough and often enough and the sheep will listen
;D ;D
In consecutive posts no less!
You wouldn't often be mistaken for 'a thinking man' Fear
Im talking about strategy within nationalism and you know that.
Are you not 'within nationalism'? ???
Or have Aontu redesignated?
Im lost. But as you said already im stupid
Quote from: Snapchap on May 13, 2022, 01:13:23 PM
Spot the difference:
Naomi Long (Leaders debate 3rd May):
Said it would be "obscene" for politicians to accept a salary if the assembly isn't functioning.'
Naomi Long today:
Said that she has told the Sec of State that "anyone blocking the election of a speaker should lose their salary".
Its directed at the same people...
Where else would you get paid for not doing your job?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2022, 01:17:50 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 13, 2022, 01:13:23 PM
Spot the difference:
Naomi Long (Leaders debate 3rd May):
Said it would be "obscene" for politicians to accept a salary if the assembly isn't functioning.'
Naomi Long today:
Said that she has told the Sec of State that "anyone blocking the election of a speaker should lose their salary".
Its directed at the same people...
Where else would you get paid for not doing your job?
I actually don't support stopping salaries. MLAs will still be doing constituency work. I do support cutting them. On Naomi though, it's a bit cynical to say, days before an election, that it would be "obscene" for "politicians elected on Thursday" to get a salary if the assembly isn't sitting, and then change position a week after the election to say only those who cause the assembly to not be sitting should have their pay stopped. Big difference.
Quote from: Snapchap on May 13, 2022, 01:24:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2022, 01:17:50 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 13, 2022, 01:13:23 PM
Spot the difference:
Naomi Long (Leaders debate 3rd May):
Said it would be "obscene" for politicians to accept a salary if the assembly isn't functioning.'
Naomi Long today:
Said that she has told the Sec of State that "anyone blocking the election of a speaker should lose their salary".
Its directed at the same people...
Where else would you get paid for not doing your job?
I actually don't support stopping salaries. MLAs will still be doing constituency work. I do support cutting them. On Naomi though, it's a bit cynical to say, days before an election, that it would be "obscene" for "politicians elected on Thursday" to get a salary if the assembly isn't sitting, and then change position a week after the election to say only those who cause the assembly to not be sitting should have their pay stopped. Big difference.
And so it begins lol
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 01:14:29 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 01:11:34 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 12:05:27 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:09:59 AM
Been saying that a long time, the nastiness against fellow nationalists(both ways) baffles me. SF pushed Allliance over SDLP to get full control over nationalist community, difficult times ahead now for Alliance I think
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Its SF facism-dont worry about it.
Shout loud enough and often enough and the sheep will listen
;D ;D
In consecutive posts no less!
You wouldn't often be mistaken for 'a thinking man' Fear
Im talking about strategy within nationalism and you know that.
Are you not 'within nationalism'? ???
Or have Aontu redesignated?
Im lost. But as you said already im stupid
;D
Forget about it
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 01:30:21 PM
And so it begins lol
You say that, but then again you're a proven liar so... :-\
Quote from: Snapchap on May 13, 2022, 01:24:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2022, 01:17:50 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 13, 2022, 01:13:23 PM
Spot the difference:
Naomi Long (Leaders debate 3rd May):
Said it would be "obscene" for politicians to accept a salary if the assembly isn't functioning.'
Naomi Long today:
Said that she has told the Sec of State that "anyone blocking the election of a speaker should lose their salary".
Its directed at the same people...
Where else would you get paid for not doing your job?
I actually don't support stopping salaries. MLAs will still be doing constituency work. I do support cutting them. On Naomi though, it's a bit cynical to say, days before an election, that it would be "obscene" for "politicians elected on Thursday" to get a salary if the assembly isn't sitting, and then change position a week after the election to say only those who cause the assembly to not be sitting should have their pay stopped. Big difference.
Yes it is, but if I were to go through various different statements from these people there would be contradictions left right and center..
Its beyond the pail with the possibility of going back into paying these people again for another period (for whatever length it takes) to not actually do their full job that they signed up to do this morning.
The gates should have been locked and when they are ready to act like adults, only when they decide to work give them a pay..
Can you imagine a careers class in schools in the next few years?
What job are you looking to do lad? Hmm not sure, wouldn't mind getting a job that allows me to hire my family, get paid over 60 grand, go on strike and still get paid, work only for a few months and during that I can vote to have my salary increased ... Sounds impossible? Nope, in fact we'll even arrange free trips, the cost of your 'lumches' and dinners fuel expenses also
MR24MLA ;)
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 13, 2022, 01:45:07 PM
MR24MLA ;)
I've the perfect skills set.... Shit talker ;D
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 01:34:57 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 01:14:29 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 01:11:34 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 12:05:27 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:09:59 AM
Been saying that a long time, the nastiness against fellow nationalists(both ways) baffles me. SF pushed Allliance over SDLP to get full control over nationalist community, difficult times ahead now for Alliance I think
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Its SF facism-dont worry about it.
Shout loud enough and often enough and the sheep will listen
;D ;D
In consecutive posts no less!
You wouldn't often be mistaken for 'a thinking man' Fear
Im talking about strategy within nationalism and you know that.
Are you not 'within nationalism'? ???
Or have Aontu redesignated?
Im lost. But as you said already im stupid
;D
Forget about it
The whole thread was started with a comment on supporting Alliance over other nationalists. And my reference of nastiness between nationalists was related directly to that. Aontú have not taken part in that debate(on Alliance) as far as I am aware, if they have well same goes there, so twist aware there.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2022, 01:43:20 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 13, 2022, 01:24:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2022, 01:17:50 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 13, 2022, 01:13:23 PM
Spot the difference:
Naomi Long (Leaders debate 3rd May):
Said it would be "obscene" for politicians to accept a salary if the assembly isn't functioning.'
Naomi Long today:
Said that she has told the Sec of State that "anyone blocking the election of a speaker should lose their salary".
Its directed at the same people...
Where else would you get paid for not doing your job?
I actually don't support stopping salaries. MLAs will still be doing constituency work. I do support cutting them. On Naomi though, it's a bit cynical to say, days before an election, that it would be "obscene" for "politicians elected on Thursday" to get a salary if the assembly isn't sitting, and then change position a week after the election to say only those who cause the assembly to not be sitting should have their pay stopped. Big difference.
Yes it is, but if I were to go through various different statements from these people there would be contradictions left right and center..
Its beyond the pail with the possibility of going back into paying these people again for another period (for whatever length it takes) to not actually do their full job that they signed up to do this morning.
The gates should have been locked and when they are ready to act like adults, only when they decide to work give them a pay..
Can you imagine a careers class in schools in the next few years?
What job are you looking to do lad? Hmm not sure, wouldn't mind getting a job that allows me to hire my family, get paid over 60 grand, go on strike and still get paid, work only for a few months and during that I can vote to have my salary increased ... Sounds impossible? Nope, in fact we'll even arrange free trips, the cost of your 'lumches' and dinners fuel expenses also
Good post
Quote from: Snapchap on May 13, 2022, 01:24:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2022, 01:17:50 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 13, 2022, 01:13:23 PM
Spot the difference:
Naomi Long (Leaders debate 3rd May):
Said it would be "obscene" for politicians to accept a salary if the assembly isn't functioning.'
Naomi Long today:
Said that she has told the Sec of State that "anyone blocking the election of a speaker should lose their salary".
Its directed at the same people...
Where else would you get paid for not doing your job?
I actually don't support stopping salaries. MLAs will still be doing constituency work. I do support cutting them. On Naomi though, it's a bit cynical to say, days before an election, that it would be "obscene" for "politicians elected on Thursday" to get a salary if the assembly isn't sitting, and then change position a week after the election to say only those who cause the assembly to not be sitting should have their pay stopped. Big difference.
i'd be stopping the DUP/TUV salaries for sure as it is only them who aren't willing to work with others.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 02:02:26 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 01:34:57 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 01:14:29 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 01:11:34 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 12:05:27 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:09:59 AM
Been saying that a long time, the nastiness against fellow nationalists(both ways) baffles me. SF pushed Allliance over SDLP to get full control over nationalist community, difficult times ahead now for Alliance I think
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Its SF facism-dont worry about it.
Shout loud enough and often enough and the sheep will listen
;D ;D
In consecutive posts no less!
You wouldn't often be mistaken for 'a thinking man' Fear
Im talking about strategy within nationalism and you know that.
Are you not 'within nationalism'? ???
Or have Aontu redesignated?
Im lost. But as you said already im stupid
;D
Forget about it
The whole thread was started with a comment on supporting Alliance over other nationalists. And my reference of nastiness between nationalists was related directly to that. Aontú have not taken part in that debate(on Alliance) as far as I am aware, if they have well same goes there, so twist aware there.
"Chill out bigman, its ok its only a forum"
"If you're explaining you're losing"
"Don't take things literally"
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:09:59 AM
Been saying that a long time, the nastiness against fellow nationalists(both ways) baffles me. SF pushed Allliance over SDLP to get full control over nationalist community, difficult times ahead now for Alliance I think
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Its SF facism-dont worry about it.
Shout loud enough and often enough and the sheep will listen
;D ;D
In consecutive posts no less!
You wouldn't often be mistaken for 'a thinking man' Fear
Im talking about strategy within nationalism and you know that.
Are you not 'within nationalism'? ???
Or have Aontu redesignated?
Im lost. But as you said already im stupid
;D
Forget about it
The whole thread was started with a comment on supporting Alliance over other nationalists. And my reference of nastiness between nationalists was related directly to that. Aontú have not taken part in that debate(on Alliance) as far as I am aware, if they have well same goes there, so twist aware there.
But you wind away your hours crying about SF. Who are nationalists. So you either you think your ok to have a go at nationalist parties but everyone else shouldn't? Or else your not baffled by the "nastiness" at all and their all fair game? 🤔
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Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:09:59 AM
Been saying that a long time, the nastiness against fellow nationalists(both ways) baffles me. SF pushed Allliance over SDLP to get full control over nationalist community, difficult times ahead now for Alliance I think
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Its SF facism-dont worry about it.
Shout loud enough and often enough and the sheep will listen
;D ;D
In consecutive posts no less!
You wouldn't often be mistaken for 'a thinking man' Fear
Im talking about strategy within nationalism and you know that.
Are you not 'within nationalism'? ???
Or have Aontu redesignated?
Im lost. But as you said already im stupid
;D
Forget about it
The whole thread was started with a comment on supporting Alliance over other nationalists. And my reference of nastiness between nationalists was related directly to that. Aontú have not taken part in that debate(on Alliance) as far as I am aware, if they have well same goes there, so twist aware there.
But you wind away your hours crying about SF. Who are nationalists. So you either you think your ok to have a go at nationalist parties but everyone else shouldn't? Or else your not baffled by the "nastiness" at all and their all fair game? 🤔
I don think it is right to promote Alliance over any nationalist party, that has been my whole point here, but it seems lost on a few on here, hearing but not listening
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Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:09:59 AM
Been saying that a long time, the nastiness against fellow nationalists(both ways) baffles me. SF pushed Allliance over SDLP to get full control over nationalist community, difficult times ahead now for Alliance I think
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Its SF facism-dont worry about it.
Shout loud enough and often enough and the sheep will listen
;D ;D
In consecutive posts no less!
You wouldn't often be mistaken for 'a thinking man' Fear
Im talking about strategy within nationalism and you know that.
Are you not 'within nationalism'? ???
Or have Aontu redesignated?
Im lost. But as you said already im stupid
;D
Forget about it
The whole thread was started with a comment on supporting Alliance over other nationalists. And my reference of nastiness between nationalists was related directly to that. Aontú have not taken part in that debate(on Alliance) as far as I am aware, if they have well same goes there, so twist aware there.
"Chill out bigman, its ok its only a forum"
"If you're explaining you're losing"
"Don't take things literally"
Totally absent of any context, a babble of words from you
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Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 01:11:34 PM
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Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:09:59 AM
Been saying that a long time, the nastiness against fellow nationalists(both ways) baffles me. SF pushed Allliance over SDLP to get full control over nationalist community, difficult times ahead now for Alliance I think
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Its SF facism-dont worry about it.
Shout loud enough and often enough and the sheep will listen
;D ;D
In consecutive posts no less!
You wouldn't often be mistaken for 'a thinking man' Fear
Im talking about strategy within nationalism and you know that.
Are you not 'within nationalism'? ???
Or have Aontu redesignated?
Im lost. But as you said already im stupid
;D
Forget about it
The whole thread was started with a comment on supporting Alliance over other nationalists. And my reference of nastiness between nationalists was related directly to that. Aontú have not taken part in that debate(on Alliance) as far as I am aware, if they have well same goes there, so twist aware there.
But you wind away your hours crying about SF. Who are nationalists. So you either you think your ok to have a go at nationalist parties but everyone else shouldn't? Or else your not baffled by the "nastiness" at all and their all fair game? 🤔
I don think it is right to promote Alliance over any nationalist party, that has been my whole point here, but it seems lost on a few on here, hearing but not listening
Your point was about nastiness between nationalist parties. Yet I think it would be fair to say your view on SF on here would fall under that. Which is fair enough if that's your opinion. But then don't act all hypocritical if someone else does the same.
https://www.ft.com/content/68ed9e17-9046-4a59-854c-897de1c1c30c
The DUP says the protocol is causing economic damage but the National Institute of Economic and Social Research, a UK think-tank, said Northern Ireland's economy was slightly outperforming the rest of the UK, in part because the protocol granted dual access to UK and EU markets. But Long said the row could alienate investors. "The American government flying in because of a crisis in Northern Ireland will not say to American investors that this is a place to invest."
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:09:59 AM
Been saying that a long time, the nastiness against fellow nationalists(both ways) baffles me. SF pushed Allliance over SDLP to get full control over nationalist community, difficult times ahead now for Alliance I think
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Its SF facism-dont worry about it.
Shout loud enough and often enough and the sheep will listen
;D ;D
In consecutive posts no less!
You wouldn't often be mistaken for 'a thinking man' Fear
😂😂
:) :)
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:09:59 AM
Been saying that a long time, the nastiness against fellow nationalists(both ways) baffles me. SF pushed Allliance over SDLP to get full control over nationalist community, difficult times ahead now for Alliance I think
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Its SF facism-dont worry about it.
Shout loud enough and often enough and the sheep will listen
;D ;D
In consecutive posts no less!
You wouldn't often be mistaken for 'a thinking man' Fear
😂😂
:) :)
;D ;D
Jesus lads like a crowd of school yard fannies, yous will be looking to take my lunch money next
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 02:02:26 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 01:34:57 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 01:14:29 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 01:11:34 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 12:05:27 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:09:59 AM
Been saying that a long time, the nastiness against fellow nationalists(both ways) baffles me. SF pushed Allliance over SDLP to get full control over nationalist community, difficult times ahead now for Alliance I think
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Its SF facism-dont worry about it.
Shout loud enough and often enough and the sheep will listen
;D ;D
In consecutive posts no less!
You wouldn't often be mistaken for 'a thinking man' Fear
Im talking about strategy within nationalism and you know that.
Are you not 'within nationalism'? ???
Or have Aontu redesignated?
Im lost. But as you said already im stupid
;D
Forget about it
The whole thread was started with a comment on supporting Alliance over other nationalists. And my reference of nastiness between nationalists was related directly to that. Aontú have not taken part in that debate(on Alliance) as far as I am aware, if they have well same goes there, so twist aware there.
But you wind away your hours crying about SF. Who are nationalists. So you either you think your ok to have a go at nationalist parties but everyone else shouldn't? Or else your not baffled by the "nastiness" at all and their all fair game? 🤔
I don think it is right to promote Alliance over any nationalist party, that has been my whole point here, but it seems lost on a few on here, hearing but not listening
Your point was about nastiness between nationalist parties. Yet I think it would be fair to say your view on SF on here would fall under that. Which is fair enough if that's your opinion. But then don't act all hypocritical if someone else does the same.
Critical difference being I'm not standing for election
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 02:02:26 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 01:34:57 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 01:14:29 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 01:11:34 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 12:05:27 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:09:59 AM
Been saying that a long time, the nastiness against fellow nationalists(both ways) baffles me. SF pushed Allliance over SDLP to get full control over nationalist community, difficult times ahead now for Alliance I think
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Its SF facism-dont worry about it.
Shout loud enough and often enough and the sheep will listen
;D ;D
In consecutive posts no less!
You wouldn't often be mistaken for 'a thinking man' Fear
Im talking about strategy within nationalism and you know that.
Are you not 'within nationalism'? ???
Or have Aontu redesignated?
Im lost. But as you said already im stupid
;D
Forget about it
The whole thread was started with a comment on supporting Alliance over other nationalists. And my reference of nastiness between nationalists was related directly to that. Aontú have not taken part in that debate(on Alliance) as far as I am aware, if they have well same goes there, so twist aware there.
But you wind away your hours crying about SF. Who are nationalists. So you either you think your ok to have a go at nationalist parties but everyone else shouldn't? Or else your not baffled by the "nastiness" at all and their all fair game? 🤔
I don think it is right to promote Alliance over any nationalist party, that has been my whole point here, but it seems lost on a few on here, hearing but not listening
Your point was about nastiness between nationalist parties. Yet I think it would be fair to say your view on SF on here would fall under that. Which is fair enough if that's your opinion. But then don't act all hypocritical if someone else does the same.
Critical difference being I'm not standing for election
;D ;D
Christ the night
A real intellectual heavyweight
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 06:36:40 PM
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 01:14:29 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 01:11:34 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 12:05:27 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2022, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:09:59 AM
Been saying that a long time, the nastiness against fellow nationalists(both ways) baffles me. SF pushed Allliance over SDLP to get full control over nationalist community, difficult times ahead now for Alliance I think
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 13, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Its SF facism-dont worry about it.
Shout loud enough and often enough and the sheep will listen
;D ;D
In consecutive posts no less!
You wouldn't often be mistaken for 'a thinking man' Fear
Im talking about strategy within nationalism and you know that.
Are you not 'within nationalism'? ???
Or have Aontu redesignated?
Im lost. But as you said already im stupid
;D
Forget about it
The whole thread was started with a comment on supporting Alliance over other nationalists. And my reference of nastiness between nationalists was related directly to that. Aontú have not taken part in that debate(on Alliance) as far as I am aware, if they have well same goes there, so twist aware there.
But you wind away your hours crying about SF. Who are nationalists. So you either you think your ok to have a go at nationalist parties but everyone else shouldn't? Or else your not baffled by the "nastiness" at all and their all fair game? 🤔
I don think it is right to promote Alliance over any nationalist party, that has been my whole point here, but it seems lost on a few on here, hearing but not listening
Your point was about nastiness between nationalist parties. Yet I think it would be fair to say your view on SF on here would fall under that. Which is fair enough if that's your opinion. But then don't act all hypocritical if someone else does the same.
Critical difference being I'm not standing for election
;D ;D
Christ the night
A real intellectual heavyweight
Now lad, that's getting a bit out of order. I'm on here a few years and amazingly failed to notice anything of note you have added. Maybe it's because you are operating on a level well beyond the man in the street. Most likely it's because you have nothing interesting to say.
Johnson will sort ye all out Monday ::)
I hear the Yanks are sending a delegation over now too.
The DUP are walking all over the Shinners.
Border Poll in 5 years my arse.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2022, 07:19:06 AM
The DUP are walking all over the Shinners.
Border Poll in 5 years my arse.
If you had half the brains you think you have you'd see it's the DUP who are driving us towards a border poll more than any other group.
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2022, 07:19:06 AM
The DUP are walking all over the Shinners.
Border Poll in 5 years my arse.
I'm sure you blueshirts are delighted.
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2022, 07:19:06 AM
The DUP are walking all over the Shinners.
Border Poll in 5 years my arse.
Care to elaborate?
Quote from: charlieTully on May 14, 2022, 11:29:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2022, 07:19:06 AM
The DUP are walking all over the Shinners.
Border Poll in 5 years my arse.
Care to elaborate?
He's manifesting, scorn not his simplicity
The tories could just deny a border poll the tories do not care about agreements or treatys and if trump wins again it buys them another 4 years will anyone do anything if the tories say no border poll will dissident republicans or main stream republicans be even capable of doing anything and if they did the tories could use that to get votes to play to their right wing voters.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 14, 2022, 11:36:49 AM
The tories could just deny a border poll the tories do not care about agreements or treatys and if trump wins again it buys them another 4 years will anyone do anything if the tories say no border poll will dissident republicans or main stream republicans be even capable of doing anything and if they did the tories could use that to get votes to play to their right wing voters.
There'll be no Republican violence bar the few dissidents that pop up every so often.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 13, 2022, 07:42:43 PM
Johnson will sort ye all out Monday ::)
Seanie to the rescue now that Larry is gone.
The Dup in general seem to be stupid. Some nerve on the pricks turning up to sign in to get salaries. I only vote Sinn Fein, once a blue moon, and would vary between them, SDLP, and this time Indendpent. But the Dup attitude will only make more people, including myself probably vote Sinn Fein next time round, to if anything put it to the f**kers.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 14, 2022, 11:36:49 AM
The tories could just deny a border poll the tories do not care about agreements or treatys and if trump wins again it buys them another 4 years will anyone do anything if the tories say no border poll will dissident republicans or main stream republicans be even capable of doing anything and if they did the tories could use that to get votes to play to their right wing voters.
Any obvious delay by the SoS on a poll and it will go to the courts
if there ever was a border poll what sort of groups or people would campaign for a no vote in the south
Quote from: Eire90 on May 14, 2022, 03:50:37 PM
if there ever was a border poll what sort of groups or people would campaign for a no vote in the south
Martin, some of Fine Gael, a few posters on here..
Quote from: charlieTully on May 14, 2022, 11:29:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2022, 07:19:06 AM
The DUP are walking all over the Shinners.
Border Poll in 5 years my arse.
Care to elaborate?
SF as biggest party doesn't change anything. There is no majority for unity if you look at totals for the 2 sides. The DUP can always get the Tories onside .
Like Canute, they can't turn back the tide of history. Tiocfaidh ar la.
Quote from: red hander on May 14, 2022, 07:20:55 PM
Like Canute, they can't turn back the tide of history. Tiocfaidh ar la.
Ach ní tar éis 5 blian
I wish I could answer you in my native tongue, but the English tried to wipe out my language and culture by planting the scummery of lowland Scotland into the most Gaelic part of Ireland centred on my home town of Dungannon, the seat of the O Neill. But I was educated in Irish to O level standard 40 years ago, so I recognise '5 years', and I dearly hope that's how long it takes until our country is one again. Like I said. Tiocfaidh ar la.
Tiofaidh ar la
Quote from: red hander on May 15, 2022, 12:59:21 AM
I wish I could answer you in my native tongue, but the English tried to wipe out my language and culture by planting the scummery of lowland Scotland into the most Gaelic part of Ireland centred on my home town of Dungannon, the seat of the O Neill. But I was educated in Irish to O level standard 40 years ago, so I recognise '5 years', and I dearly hope that's how long it takes until our country is one again. Like I said. Tiocfaidh ar la.
I think it will happen but over a longer timescale
The tories really would get into a trade war then blame the eu to rile up the brexity types the tories then can blame the eu and ireland for the cost of living crises very sinister but the tories will do anything to keep the brexity and right wing types onside
They are already at this.
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Quote from: Eire90 on May 14, 2022, 03:50:37 PM
if there ever was a border poll what sort of groups or people would campaign for a no vote in the south
Martin, some of Fine Gael, a few posters on here..
Listen to me, there is absolutely no way either FF or FG will canvas against that vote. No Chance.
First the 6 Cos voters have to vote for a UI.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2022, 10:36:59 PM
First the 6 Cos voters have to vote for a UI.
Exactly. There are nowhere near enough progressive nordies never mind opposition from the comfortable so called nationalists and republicans. The status quo is what they want. A border poll would be thrashed. 70-30 would be my guess.
In saying all that let's find out :)
There is some right wing types in the south that wants ireland to join the uk
Quote from: Eire90 on May 16, 2022, 06:35:16 AM
There is some right wing types in the south that wants ireland to join the uk
A tiny, insignificant portion.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 16, 2022, 06:35:16 AM
There is some right wing types in the south that wants ireland to join the uk
How does this make them "right wing"?
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Quote from: charlieTully on May 14, 2022, 11:29:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2022, 07:19:06 AM
The DUP are walking all over the Shinners.
Border Poll in 5 years my arse.
Care to elaborate?
SF as biggest party doesn't change anything. There is no majority for unity if you look at totals for the 2 sides. The DUP can always get the Tories onside .
So "the DUP are running rings around the shinners" because demographics? OK so.
Quote from: gallsman on May 16, 2022, 08:24:23 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 16, 2022, 06:35:16 AM
There is some right wing types in the south that wants ireland to join the uk
A tiny, insignificant portion.
That's one Referendum that will never happen.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2022, 10:36:59 PM
First the 6 Cos voters have to vote for a UI.
Or they could be held simultaneously. There is no rule that a referendum has to take place in the north first.
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Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2022, 07:09:43 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on May 14, 2022, 11:29:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2022, 07:19:06 AM
The DUP are walking all over the Shinners.
Border Poll in 5 years my arse.
Care to elaborate?
SF as biggest party doesn't change anything. There is no majority for unity if you look at totals for the 2 sides. The DUP can always get the Tories onside .
So "the DUP are running rings around the shinners" because demographics? OK so.
The demographics aren't there for a successful border poll right now . And the DUP are setting the agenda now. What are SF doing ?
Quote from: Snapchap on May 16, 2022, 09:02:30 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2022, 10:36:59 PM
First the 6 Cos voters have to vote for a UI.
Or they could be held simultaneously.
Would be some waste of money in the event of 6 Cos crowd saying "NO"
Quote from: thewobbler on May 16, 2022, 08:26:09 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 16, 2022, 06:35:16 AM
There is some right wing types in the south that wants ireland to join the uk
How does this make them "right wing"?
Because they want to align witht the tories and farage types
A lot of people don't understand right wing v left wing. It is often an easy way of getting out of a debate, throw enough mud and it sticks
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Quote from: Eire90 on May 16, 2022, 06:35:16 AM
There is some right wing types in the south that wants ireland to join the uk
How does this make them "right wing"?
Good question wobbler. My understanding as a Nordie with an interest in Southern politics .
FG historically would be centre right. Though left/right politics throughout the island are not as binary as they tend to be in Britain , most right wingers in the South would probably be FG supporters. The "west-Brit " gibe was often directed at those who had an affiliation with "British ways" and were not as patriotically Irish , and the perception was they would have mainly been FG aligned and therefore right wing(albeit centre right).
Historically many FG politicians eg Bruton and Fitzgerald seemed to have little understanding or empathy for nationalists in the North, compared to Ahern/Reynolds/Haughey. FF self proclaimed as the "Republican Party " have always been wedded to a United ireland , whilst FG , even going back to their origins , have been comfortable with partition.
(Ironically at present , Miceál Martin FF seems to have a more partitionist outlook, whilst Simon Coveney FG has shown an empathy towards northern nationalists rarely seen in FG.)
Right or left wing aside , there would be no interest in the South in linking back with UK even among those not particularly patriotic . ROI though not perfect , has done well since independence, given that only a few years prior to 1916 Ireland had suffered the horrors of the Famine under British rule, and the UK retained over 90% of the GDP on the island after independence of the 26. NI by comparison , since independence has been a disaster despite its massive economic advantages at its inception.
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Quote from: charlieTully on May 14, 2022, 11:29:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2022, 07:19:06 AM
The DUP are walking all over the Shinners.
Border Poll in 5 years my arse.
Care to elaborate?
SF as biggest party doesn't change anything. There is no majority for unity if you look at totals for the 2 sides. The DUP can always get the Tories onside .
So "the DUP are running rings around the shinners" because demographics? OK so.
The demographics aren't there for a successful border poll right now . And the DUP are setting the agenda now. What are SF doing ?
You used demographics as your one and only explanation for how the DUP are "running rings around the shinners". It's a bit....desperate.
Since I'm sure you will concede that perhaps the demographic makeup of the population isn't really down to anything the DUP has done, then can you explain how you think the DUP are setting the agenda? There's a big border down the Irish sea which they're not one bit happy about, remember?? Their agenda since the Brexit referendum has been a hard border on the island of Ireland. How's that working out for them? Oh and they also just had their worst Assembly Election since the very first one in 1998. We're also hearing in the news this morning that Boris is flying over today with the intention of once again throwing them under a bus. The best they can hope for is some meaningless, minor alteration to the protocol which they would then have to attempt to sell as a victory. Unless you are basing your analysis purely on the DUP decision to collapse the executive? Which would be odd, because I just took a quick glance through the SF thread from the time of the SF collapse and your analysis then wasn't that SF were "setting the agenda". It was all about how damaged SF were and how they were going to be in big electoral trouble. Funny that.
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The DUP are walking all over the Shinners.
Border Poll in 5 years my arse.
Care to elaborate?
SF as biggest party doesn't change anything. There is no majority for unity if you look at totals for the 2 sides. The DUP can always get the Tories onside .
So "the DUP are running rings around the shinners" because demographics? OK so.
The demographics aren't there for a successful border poll right now . And the DUP are setting the agenda now. What are SF doing ?
You used demographics as your one and only explanation for how the DUP are "running rings around the shinners". It's a bit....desperate.
Since I'm sure you will concede that perhaps the demographic makeup of the population isn't really down to anything the DUP has done, then can you explain how you think the DUP are setting the agenda? There's a big border down the Irish sea which they're not one bit happy about, remember?? Their agenda since the Brexit referendum has been a hard border on the island of Ireland. How's that working out for them? Oh and they also just had their worst Assembly Election since the very first one in 1998. We're also hearing in the news this morning that Boris is flying over today with the intention of once again throwing them under a bus. The best they can hope for is some meaningless, minor alteration to the protocol which they would then have to attempt to sell as a victory. Unless you are basing your analysis purely on the DUP decision to collapse the executive? Which would be odd, because I just took a quick glance through the SF thread from the time of the SF collapse and your analysis then wasn't that SF were "setting the agenda". It was all about how damaged SF were and how they were going to be in big electoral trouble. Funny that.
The Shinners promised a border poll in 5 years. that is not going to happen because 27 Assembly seats do not mean a stable majority in favour of unification.
The DUP have agency and they are using it.
The Shinners need a new strategy.
Quote from: seafoid on May 16, 2022, 09:55:39 AM
The Shinners promised a border poll in 5 years.
Yet again we have an outright a lie being used around SFs campaign for a border poll. You're like another clown on this board who was trying to say the other day that SF were calling for an immediate border poll. That same claim was repeated ad nauseum here in the days before the election by a few posters in particular. No, SF have not "promised one in 5 years". They are calling for one in five years. When you have to rely on lies, you're on shaky ground.
Quote from: seafoid on May 16, 2022, 09:55:39 AM
that is not going to happen because 27 Assembly seats do not mean a stable majority in favour of unification.
Again, you resort to demographics. And again, I have to remind you that the demographic makeup of the population is not evidence that "the DUP are running rings around the shinners". Have another go.
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Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2022, 07:19:06 AM
The DUP are walking all over the Shinners.
Border Poll in 5 years my arse.
Care to elaborate?
SF as biggest party doesn't change anything. There is no majority for unity if you look at totals for the 2 sides. The DUP can always get the Tories onside .
So "the DUP are running rings around the shinners" because demographics? OK so.
The demographics aren't there for a successful border poll right now . And the DUP are setting the agenda now. What are SF doing ?
How are the DUP setting the agenda? You are sounding like people did when they were saying how great the DUP were negotiating regarding Brexit. Until people realised that their negotiation tactic was to say no and that was it.
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There is some right wing types in the south that wants ireland to join the uk
How does this make them "right wing"?
Presumably the desire to join an inherently right wing country.
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Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2022, 07:19:06 AM
The DUP are walking all over the Shinners.
Border Poll in 5 years my arse.
Care to elaborate?
SF as biggest party doesn't change anything. There is no majority for unity if you look at totals for the 2 sides. The DUP can always get the Tories onside .
So "the DUP are running rings around the shinners" because demographics? OK so.
The demographics aren't there for a successful border poll right now . And the DUP are setting the agenda now. What are SF doing ?
How are the DUP setting the agenda? You are sounding like people did when they were saying how great the DUP were negotiating regarding Brexit. Until people realised that their negotiation tactic was to say no and that was it.
The DUP have made a career out of saying "no". This will continue to work until Others unite against them. A continuing concern is that "the centre" ie alliance/SDLP/UU backed up by the governments , present the problem here as being two sides of the same coin . Which perpetuates DUP influence . SF and DUP are not the same. SF has mellowed and has made significant efforts to continue in government, even returning to government in the absence of Irish language act. They have put many of their republican ideals aside. In contrast , DUP has been dragged kicking and screaming into power sharing. Any movement towards normalcy and parity of esteem is either resisted or tolerated by "pinching their nose". They promoted brexit and now can't accept its consequences. They facilitate and promote extreme unionism . All this , and the centre ground response is always qualified by a "SF are just as bad" narrative , which lets DUP off the hook again .
got a feeling the boris visit today will be a nothing burger
The unionists will fawn all over him again then act all shock if he does not give them what they want
Must be planning something, if he's coming over.
Seems to be going to override parts of the deal.
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Quote from: charlieTully on May 14, 2022, 11:29:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2022, 07:19:06 AM
The DUP are walking all over the Shinners.
Border Poll in 5 years my arse.
Care to elaborate?
SF as biggest party doesn't change anything. There is no majority for unity if you look at totals for the 2 sides. The DUP can always get the Tories onside .
So "the DUP are running rings around the shinners" because demographics? OK so.
The demographics aren't there for a successful border poll right now . And the DUP are setting the agenda now. What are SF doing ?
How are the DUP setting the agenda? You are sounding like people did when they were saying how great the DUP were negotiating regarding Brexit. Until people realised that their negotiation tactic was to say no and that was it.
The DUP have made a career out of saying "no". This will continue to work until Others unite against them. A continuing concern is that "the centre" ie alliance/SDLP/UU backed up by the governments , present the problem here as being two sides of the same coin . Which perpetuates DUP influence . SF and DUP are not the same. SF has mellowed and has made significant efforts to continue in government, even returning to government in the absence of Irish language act. They have put many of their republican ideals aside. In contrast , DUP has been dragged kicking and screaming into power sharing. Any movement towards normalcy and parity of esteem is either resisted or tolerated by "pinching their nose". They promoted brexit and now can't accept its consequences. They facilitate and promote extreme unionism . All this , and the centre ground response is always qualified by a "SF are just as bad" narrative , which lets DUP off the hook again .
Yeah agreed. I don't think anyone who thinks the DUP are running rings round SF understands politics here. Before anyone starts I am not a sinner ;D
The parity of esteem still has a bit to go yet. Definitely getting there and definitely rubbing some people up the wrong way but if it's not what people are used to that will happen.
Quote from: marty34 on May 16, 2022, 11:31:33 AM
Must be planning something, if he's coming over.
Seems to be going to override parts of the deal.
I had thought the protocol headlines took the attention away from the part-gate news?
The DUP could be throwing Boris a lifeline.
Yeah I think they are unfortunately :(
Non DUPers should never trust tories but so should DUPers. It's just a matter of who it serves him best to shaft.
https://twitter.com/JonTonge/status/1526268333124898816 (https://twitter.com/JonTonge/status/1526268333124898816)
;D
Sammy's a republican. I knew it.
https://www.ft.com/content/0672dec7-ef91-410a-9da6-aa93e9d635ae
Boris Johnson was locked in a stand-off with Northern Ireland's biggest pro-UK unionist party on Monday, as a row over post-Brexit trading rules left the region in political paralysis.
The Democratic Unionist party warned Johnson that only the enacting of legislation to scrap a post-Brexit customs border in the Irish Sea — not just the threat of a new law — would be enough to end the political deadlock.
Liz Truss, the UK foreign secretary, will on Tuesday set out plans for British legislation to override parts of the Northern Ireland protocol, a key element of Johnson's 2019 Brexit deal, if talks with the EU on reforming the pact fail.
But while that plan has enraged politicians in the EU — who argue that Johnson's government is threatening to unilaterally rip up an international treaty — it is still not deemed hardline enough by the DUP.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 16, 2022, 08:28:39 PM
https://twitter.com/JonTonge/status/1526268333124898816 (https://twitter.com/JonTonge/status/1526268333124898816)
;D
Sammy's a republican. I knew it.
I'd say Sammy heard the question alright.
Anyone care to give a prediction for their own local area.
Slieve Gullion (South Armagh) 7 Seater
2019 Result - 5 SF, 1 SDLP, 1 UUP
The shinners are running 6 candidates this time to target the UUP seat. It is very difficult to balance 6 candidates but they just might do it. The Unionist population is elderly and dwindling and they really don't have the numbers anymore. Older people are much more likely to vote than younger people, so that might save them this time. The SDLP have an outside chance of getting two seats, they have an existing councillor in Pete Byrne and a good new candidate Killian Feehan. Alliance are putting up a paper candidate and Aontu are represented by native New Yorker Reichenberg. Neither will not put up much of a showing and there are no Independent Candidates
Prediction SF 6, SDLP 1
Quote from: Feckitt on May 03, 2023, 01:57:00 PM
Anyone care to give a prediction for their own local area.
Slieve Gullion (South Armagh) 7 Seater
2019 Result - 5 SF, 1 SDLP, 1 UUP
The shinners are running 6 candidates this time to target the UUP seat. It is very difficult to balance 6 candidates but they just might do it. The Unionist population is elderly and dwindling and they really don't have the numbers anymore. Older people are much more likely to vote than younger people, so that might save them this time. The SDLP have an outside chance of getting two seats, they have an existing councillor in Pete Byrne and a good new candidate Killian Feehan. Alliance are putting up a paper candidate and Aontu are represented by native New Yorker Reichenberg. Neither will not put up much of a showing and there are no Independent Candidates
Prediction SF 6, SDLP 1
Hope Pete Byrne gets in, he's a more helpful on local issues than some of the SF around here. Unless your in the SF inner circle no point contacting them. I had a planning issue a few years ago, emailed SF, SDLP and UU. Pete Byrne came and met me on site and helped sort it, UU responded with some helpful links and numbers. SF yet to respond.
Newry City - 6 Seater
2019 Result - 3 SF, 2 SDLP, 1 IND
This is a tricky one to predict because 2019 poll topper Gavin Malone (Ind) is not standing again. Malone is a very popular councillor and had way over a quota. Where will that vote go. Alliance weren't far away from nicking the final seat the last time, and with Malone's votes back in play I fancy them to pick up a seat, which would be new ground for them. Aontu, The Workers Party and the UUP are all standing but I don't expect them to feature strongly.
There was a bit of a fall out in the SDLP camp and Doire Finn has been announced as a late candidate. She is getting a fair push online, but I'm not sure how well known she is on the ground. SF have 3 and are hoping to pick up some of the ex-Malone vote to push them out to 4.
Prediction 4 SF, 1 SDLP, 1 Alliance
Anyone care to do a review of their own local area?
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Anyone care to give a prediction for their own local area.
Slieve Gullion (South Armagh) 7 Seater
2019 Result - 5 SF, 1 SDLP, 1 UUP
The shinners are running 6 candidates this time to target the UUP seat. It is very difficult to balance 6 candidates but they just might do it. The Unionist population is elderly and dwindling and they really don't have the numbers anymore. Older people are much more likely to vote than younger people, so that might save them this time. The SDLP have an outside chance of getting two seats, they have an existing councillor in Pete Byrne and a good new candidate Killian Feehan. Alliance are putting up a paper candidate and Aontu are represented by native New Yorker Reichenberg. Neither will not put up much of a showing and there are no Independent Candidates
Prediction SF 6, SDLP 1
Is there a unionist village in this area?
Final seat will go down to the wire in a lot of areas with the PR model.
I read somewhere that SF have candidates standing in the Ards area and Ballyclare. Changed times indeed. Breaking new ground all the time.
There wouldn't be any predominantly Unionist villages, most Unionist voters would be from round Bessbrook and Newtownhamilton areas.
Early signs the Tories are taking a hammering over the water. Good viewing. (popcorn gif)
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Quote from: Feckitt on May 03, 2023, 01:57:00 PM
Anyone care to give a prediction for their own local area.
Slieve Gullion (South Armagh) 7 Seater
2019 Result - 5 SF, 1 SDLP, 1 UUP
The shinners are running 6 candidates this time to target the UUP seat. It is very difficult to balance 6 candidates but they just might do it. The Unionist population is elderly and dwindling and they really don't have the numbers anymore. Older people are much more likely to vote than younger people, so that might save them this time. The SDLP have an outside chance of getting two seats, they have an existing councillor in Pete Byrne and a good new candidate Killian Feehan. Alliance are putting up a paper candidate and Aontu are represented by native New Yorker Reichenberg. Neither will not put up much of a showing and there are no Independent Candidates
Prediction SF 6, SDLP 1
Is there a unionist village in this area?
Final seat will go down to the wire in a lot of areas with the PR model.
I read somewhere that SF have candidates standing in the Ards area and Ballyclare. Changed times indeed. Breaking new ground all the time.
Noel sands, former high profile Down hurler from Portaferry standing for SF. He will hoover up votes round Portaferry but whether he egts over the line is another matter.
In the Glens area of Causeway Coast and Glens we currently have 1 Ind, two SF, 1 SDLP and 1 UUP. The independent isn't standing again and neither is the longstanding UUP lady. If I had to guess I would think it will be 3 SF, 1 SDLP and 1 DUP. The DUP candidate Bill Kennedy runs Armoy road races and is quite high profile. He got pipped on the line by the UUP candidate the last time on nationalist transfers. the new guy for the UUP would not have the same name recognition or history of helping people so I don't think he will make it. Alliance standing for the first time in a very long time here which will also hurt the UUP. Hard to know how they will go, they may pick up a few votes from the Ind who had well over a quota, as well as from the SDLP and UUP.
Benbradagh, 5 seats, Causeway Coast and Glens, currently 3 Shinners, a Stoop and DUP. Should be some sort of change here as the long standing sdlp Councillor isn't running this time and they've Brough mickey coyle out of retirement who lost his seat a couple of elections ago so hard to see him clinging on in there but the lack of any real challengers might save the seat. DUP had a gain here last time at the expense of TUV who aren't running and can't imagine the new UUP candidate will trouble them. 4 candidates from Dungiven with McGlinchey exceeding the quota it will depend where his transfers go to see who the other nationalist to get in
Cookstown DEA, Mid-Ulster Council, 7 seats
2019: 3 x Sinn Féin, 1 x SDLP, 1 x DUP, 2 x UUP
On the Nationalist side it will probably be as you were. The same 4 SF/SDLP candidates are running again after being elected comfortably last time. I see no reason why it won't happen again.
An independant republican or Aontú may have made things interesting but neither are running here.
Unionists could see a change. The second UUP candidate squeaked past a second DUP candidate for the 7th seat last time. I cant see them being so lucky again given the DUPs rising poll numbers.
Prediction
3 x Sinn Féin, 1 x SDLP, 2 x DUP, 1 x UUP
1 DUP gain
1 UUP loss
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Quote from: marty34 on May 04, 2023, 06:55:07 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on May 03, 2023, 01:57:00 PM
Anyone care to give a prediction for their own local area.
Slieve Gullion (South Armagh) 7 Seater
2019 Result - 5 SF, 1 SDLP, 1 UUP
The shinners are running 6 candidates this time to target the UUP seat. It is very difficult to balance 6 candidates but they just might do it. The Unionist population is elderly and dwindling and they really don't have the numbers anymore. Older people are much more likely to vote than younger people, so that might save them this time. The SDLP have an outside chance of getting two seats, they have an existing councillor in Pete Byrne and a good new candidate Killian Feehan. Alliance are putting up a paper candidate and Aontu are represented by native New Yorker Reichenberg. Neither will not put up much of a showing and there are no Independent Candidates
Prediction SF 6, SDLP 1
Is there a unionist village in this area?
Final seat will go down to the wire in a lot of areas with the PR model.
I read somewhere that SF have candidates standing in the Ards area and Ballyclare. Changed times indeed. Breaking new ground all the time.
Noel sands, former high profile Down hurler from Portaferry standing for SF. He will hoover up votes round Portaferry but whether he egts over the line is another matter.
Can't see it.
He may get the youth vote out in Kircubbin and Portaferry but the older generations aren't inclined to vote SF and will stick to Joe Hot Spot and the SDLP.
normally 1200 votes or thereabouts needed to get in with the STV system, possible for 2 nationalist candidates but unlikely.
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Quote from: keep her low this half on May 05, 2023, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 04, 2023, 06:55:07 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on May 03, 2023, 01:57:00 PM
Anyone care to give a prediction for their own local area.
Slieve Gullion (South Armagh) 7 Seater
2019 Result - 5 SF, 1 SDLP, 1 UUP
The shinners are running 6 candidates this time to target the UUP seat. It is very difficult to balance 6 candidates but they just might do it. The Unionist population is elderly and dwindling and they really don't have the numbers anymore. Older people are much more likely to vote than younger people, so that might save them this time. The SDLP have an outside chance of getting two seats, they have an existing councillor in Pete Byrne and a good new candidate Killian Feehan. Alliance are putting up a paper candidate and Aontu are represented by native New Yorker Reichenberg. Neither will not put up much of a showing and there are no Independent Candidates
Prediction SF 6, SDLP 1
Is there a unionist village in this area?
Final seat will go down to the wire in a lot of areas with the PR model.
I read somewhere that SF have candidates standing in the Ards area and Ballyclare. Changed times indeed. Breaking new ground all the time.
Noel sands, former high profile Down hurler from Portaferry standing for SF. He will hoover up votes round Portaferry but whether he egts over the line is another matter.
Can't see it.
He may get the youth vote out in Kircubbin and Portaferry but the older generations aren't inclined to vote SF and will stick to Joe Hot Spot and the SDLP.
normally 1200 votes or thereabouts needed to get in with the STV system, possible for 2 nationalist candidates but unlikely.
Maybe they voted for SDLP as they had no other option.
Be interesting to see how he goes.
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Quote from: keep her low this half on May 05, 2023, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 04, 2023, 06:55:07 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on May 03, 2023, 01:57:00 PM
Anyone care to give a prediction for their own local area.
Slieve Gullion (South Armagh) 7 Seater
2019 Result - 5 SF, 1 SDLP, 1 UUP
The shinners are running 6 candidates this time to target the UUP seat. It is very difficult to balance 6 candidates but they just might do it. The Unionist population is elderly and dwindling and they really don't have the numbers anymore. Older people are much more likely to vote than younger people, so that might save them this time. The SDLP have an outside chance of getting two seats, they have an existing councillor in Pete Byrne and a good new candidate Killian Feehan. Alliance are putting up a paper candidate and Aontu are represented by native New Yorker Reichenberg. Neither will not put up much of a showing and there are no Independent Candidates
Prediction SF 6, SDLP 1
Is there a unionist village in this area?
Final seat will go down to the wire in a lot of areas with the PR model.
I read somewhere that SF have candidates standing in the Ards area and Ballyclare. Changed times indeed. Breaking new ground all the time.
Noel sands, former high profile Down hurler from Portaferry standing for SF. He will hoover up votes round Portaferry but whether he egts over the line is another matter.
Can't see it.
He may get the youth vote out in Kircubbin and Portaferry but the older generations aren't inclined to vote SF and will stick to Joe Hot Spot and the SDLP.
normally 1200 votes or thereabouts needed to get in with the STV system, possible for 2 nationalist candidates but unlikely.
Maybe they voted for SDLP as they had no other option.
Be interesting to see how he goes.
Doubt SF get it.. Not one poster of Sands up around the place. SDLP is up all around the ards peninsula
Interesting to see how Mid Ulster goes with 5 independent republicans going for election. 2 in Torrent, 2 in Dungannon and 1 in Clogher Valley.
dup could be kingmakers once again in uk
Quote from: Eire90 on May 05, 2023, 11:07:13 PM
dup could be kingmakers once again in uk
That election is a long way away yet.
Mary Lou not showing up for british tv tonight
angry nordies on fire ???
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Quote from: keep her low this half on May 05, 2023, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 04, 2023, 06:55:07 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on May 03, 2023, 01:57:00 PM
Anyone care to give a prediction for their own local area.
Slieve Gullion (South Armagh) 7 Seater
2019 Result - 5 SF, 1 SDLP, 1 UUP
The shinners are running 6 candidates this time to target the UUP seat. It is very difficult to balance 6 candidates but they just might do it. The Unionist population is elderly and dwindling and they really don't have the numbers anymore. Older people are much more likely to vote than younger people, so that might save them this time. The SDLP have an outside chance of getting two seats, they have an existing councillor in Pete Byrne and a good new candidate Killian Feehan. Alliance are putting up a paper candidate and Aontu are represented by native New Yorker Reichenberg. Neither will not put up much of a showing and there are no Independent Candidates
Prediction SF 6, SDLP 1
Is there a unionist village in this area?
Final seat will go down to the wire in a lot of areas with the PR model.
I read somewhere that SF have candidates standing in the Ards area and Ballyclare. Changed times indeed. Breaking new ground all the time.
Noel sands, former high profile Down hurler from Portaferry standing for SF. He will hoover up votes round Portaferry but whether he egts over the line is another matter.
Can't see it.
He may get the youth vote out in Kircubbin and Portaferry but the older generations aren't inclined to vote SF and will stick to Joe Hot Spot and the SDLP.
normally 1200 votes or thereabouts needed to get in with the STV system, possible for 2 nationalist candidates but unlikely.
Maybe they voted for SDLP as they had no other option.
Be interesting to see how he goes.
Doubt SF get it.. Not one poster of Sands up around the place. SDLP is up all around the ards peninsula
Plenty in and around Kircubbin, Cloughey and Portaferry where the most of his votes will be coming from.
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on May 12, 2023, 01:47:26 AM
Mary Lou not showing up for british tv tonight
angry nordies on fire ???
I thought that was a strange interview by Carruthers. Nothing on the local election issues, and he came across as someone who would have been angry if O'Neill hadn't gone to the coronation and was now angry because she did.
Quote from: Pub Bore on May 12, 2023, 10:07:31 AM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on May 12, 2023, 01:47:26 AM
Mary Lou not showing up for british tv tonight
angry nordies on fire ???
I thought that was a strange interview by Carruthers. Nothing on the local election issues, and he came across as someone who would have been angry if O'Neill hadn't gone to the coronation and was now angry because she did.
Conor had his measure and it petered out.. Dammed if she did and dammed if she didn't
Personally she did the right thing. she's on a slogan first minister for all, That's how to ram it down their throats
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Quote from: Pub Bore on May 12, 2023, 10:07:31 AM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on May 12, 2023, 01:47:26 AM
Mary Lou not showing up for british tv tonight
angry nordies on fire ???
I thought that was a strange interview by Carruthers. Nothing on the local election issues, and he came across as someone who would have been angry if O'Neill hadn't gone to the coronation and was now angry because she did.
Conor had his measure and it petered out.. Dammed if she did and dammed if she didn't
Personally she did the right thing. she's on a slogan first minister for all, That's how to ram it down their throats
Murphy looked more and more baffled as the interview went on. Like he was thinking - WTF is Mark on about!
Election day tomorrow,
Vote Early, Vote Often
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Imagine coming home from London to vote in your local elections just to keep themuns out
Mid Ulster could be interesting.
Real squeeze on SF by Independent Republicans
In Dungannon Barry Monteith (current councillor) and Marian Vincent are up against Dominc Molloy, (current councillor & Francie's son ) and Deirdre Varsani. Interesting to see how that goes. Molloy has a good profile and is liked.
In Clogher Gael Gildernew is trying to defend her father Phelim's seat who retired (She is also Michelle's (MP) Sister and Colm's (MLA) Brother) her along with Eugene McConnell and Sean McGuigan (current coucillor) are up against Kevin McElvogue Ind Rep. SF have 2 elected and running 3. I think they might lose a seat here.
In Torrent Michelle O'Neill's home turf, Dan Kerr Ind Rep (current councillor) has Teresa Quinn as his running mate. SF are running 4.
Some SF voters are a bit pissed with the lack of selection process and the coronation of certain candidates from certain families. While SF will probably have a very good day across the north, Mid Ulster will be interesting. Ind Republicans are running 5 cands and calling it the drive for 5. I think they will add 1 for sure with McElvogue.
One to watch.
SF are very popular but they do SFA for the local economy which is a mess.
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 02:30:23 PM
Mid Ulster could be interesting.
Real squeeze on SF by Independent Republicans
In Dungannon Barry Monteith (current councillor) and Marian Vincent are up against Dominc Molloy, (current councillor & Francie's son ) and Deirdre Varsani. Interesting to see how that goes. Molloy has a good profile and is liked.
In Clogher Gael Gildernew is trying to defend her father Phelim's seat who retired (She is also Michelle's (MP) Sister and Colm's (MLA) Brother) her along with Eugene McConnell and Sean McGuigan (current coucillor) are up against Kevin McElvogue Ind Rep. SF have 2 elected and running 3. I think they might lose a seat here.
In Torrent Michelle O'Neill's home turf, Dan Kerr Ind Rep (current councillor) has Teresa Quinn as his running mate. SF are running 4.
Some SF voters are a bit pissed with the lack of selection process and the coronation of certain candidates from certain families. While SF will probably have a very good day across the north, Mid Ulster will be interesting. Ind Republicans are running 5 cands and calling it the drive for 5. I think they will add 1 for sure with McElvogue.
One to watch.
+1
The independent Republicans are running a massive campaign. Lots of posters/flyers about. They have a few well known locally based people as well, some with GAA connections which will help.
Aontu a push in mud Ulster? Will they pick up anything?
Quote from: NotedObserver on May 17, 2023, 02:39:40 PM
Aontu a push in mud Ulster? Will they pick up anything?
Couldn't see it. Mullen left the SDLP in Dungannon and will probably lose her seat to the SDLP's replacement McQuade who's got a big GAA profile.
Are the DUP going to rejoin Stormont ?
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 02:34:34 PM
SF are very popular but they do SFA for the local economy which is a mess.
Is that local to you in Galway?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 17, 2023, 02:58:38 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 02:34:34 PM
SF are very popular but they do SFA for the local economy which is a mess.
Is that local to you in Galway?
It's the Northern Command of SF. They control a lot of the financial levers but they can't get the economy going.
The North needs to be dolled up economically if reunification is going to work. If it was now there wouldn't be a majority in the south for reunification.
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 02:30:23 PM
Mid Ulster could be interesting.
Real squeeze on SF by Independent Republicans
In Dungannon Barry Monteith (current councillor) and Marian Vincent are up against Dominc Molloy, (current councillor & Francie's son ) and Deirdre Varsani. Interesting to see how that goes. Molloy has a good profile and is liked.
In Clogher Gael Gildernew is trying to defend her father Phelim's seat who retired (She is also Michelle's (MP) Sister and Colm's (MLA) Brother) her along with Eugene McConnell and Sean McGuigan (current coucillor) are up against Kevin McElvogue Ind Rep. SF have 2 elected and running 3. I think they might lose a seat here.
In Torrent Michelle O'Neill's home turf, Dan Kerr Ind Rep (current councillor) has Teresa Quinn as his running mate. SF are running 4.
Some SF voters are a bit pissed with the lack of selection process and the coronation of certain candidates from certain families. While SF will probably have a very good day across the north, Mid Ulster will be interesting. Ind Republicans are running 5 cands and calling it the drive for 5. I think they will add 1 for sure with McElvogue.
One to watch.
Isee a lot of older candidates are not running again. Across all the political parties. The new generation and all that.
Turnout will be interesting. Will it get above 60% overall. Weather to be decent, which might help.
Be interesting to see if Alliance make any more impact west of the Bann. They're trying to build their base in different areas. They'll finish as the 3 rd party.
Big day for the SDLP and UUP. They'll lose seats but will it keep Eastwood and Beattie in their jobs?
As per usual, the final seat in a lot of areas will be interesting. If certain parties are ahead before the final transfers, then that could see them over the line. Alliance will be transfer friendly.
Vote as far down the ballot paper as you can, including the DUP and TUV.
What do these "Independent republicans" stand for?
Or are they just Not Sinn Féin?
Quote from: Rossfan on May 17, 2023, 04:14:00 PM
What do these "Independent republicans" stand for?
Or are they just Not Sinn Féin?
Think they'd be running as Sinn Fein if they were Sinn Fein?
Quote from: marty34 on May 17, 2023, 04:03:11 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 02:30:23 PM
Mid Ulster could be interesting.
Real squeeze on SF by Independent Republicans
In Dungannon Barry Monteith (current councillor) and Marian Vincent are up against Dominc Molloy, (current councillor & Francie's son ) and Deirdre Varsani. Interesting to see how that goes. Molloy has a good profile and is liked.
In Clogher Gael Gildernew is trying to defend her father Phelim's seat who retired (She is also Michelle's (MP) Sister and Colm's (MLA) Brother) her along with Eugene McConnell and Sean McGuigan (current coucillor) are up against Kevin McElvogue Ind Rep. SF have 2 elected and running 3. I think they might lose a seat here.
In Torrent Michelle O'Neill's home turf, Dan Kerr Ind Rep (current councillor) has Teresa Quinn as his running mate. SF are running 4.
Some SF voters are a bit pissed with the lack of selection process and the coronation of certain candidates from certain families. While SF will probably have a very good day across the north, Mid Ulster will be interesting. Ind Republicans are running 5 cands and calling it the drive for 5. I think they will add 1 for sure with McElvogue.
One to watch.
Isee a lot of older candidates are not running again. Across all the political parties. The new generation and all that.
Turnout will be interesting. Will it get above 60% overall. Weather to be decent, which might help.
Be interesting to see if Alliance make any more impact west of the Bann. They're trying to build their base in different areas. They'll finish as the 3 rd party.
Big day for the SDLP and UUP. They'll lose seats but will it keep Eastwood and Beattie in their jobs?
As per usual, the final seat in a lot of areas will be interesting. If certain parties are ahead before the final transfers, then that could see them over the line. Alliance will be transfer friendly.
Vote as far down the ballot paper as you can, including the DUP and TUV.
A bridge too far old chap!
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 17, 2023, 02:37:03 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 02:30:23 PM
Mid Ulster could be interesting.
Real squeeze on SF by Independent Republicans
In Dungannon Barry Monteith (current councillor) and Marian Vincent are up against Dominc Molloy, (current councillor & Francie's son ) and Deirdre Varsani. Interesting to see how that goes. Molloy has a good profile and is liked.
In Clogher Gael Gildernew is trying to defend her father Phelim's seat who retired (She is also Michelle's (MP) Sister and Colm's (MLA) Brother) her along with Eugene McConnell and Sean McGuigan (current coucillor) are up against Kevin McElvogue Ind Rep. SF have 2 elected and running 3. I think they might lose a seat here.
In Torrent Michelle O'Neill's home turf, Dan Kerr Ind Rep (current councillor) has Teresa Quinn as his running mate. SF are running 4.
Some SF voters are a bit pissed with the lack of selection process and the coronation of certain candidates from certain families. While SF will probably have a very good day across the north, Mid Ulster will be interesting. Ind Republicans are running 5 cands and calling it the drive for 5. I think they will add 1 for sure with McElvogue.
One to watch.
+1
The independent Republicans are running a massive campaign. Lots of posters/flyers about. They have a few well known locally based people as well, some with GAA connections which will help.
Hard to know about independents and if they havn't run before, it's had to guage their support. Is it a personal vote or are they campaigning on a single issue etc.?
SF will do well because they didn't do as well in the last local elections, if you get my drift and they have seats to win back in certain areas like Derry City etc. They, like Alliance, are broadening their base in the Ards and Lisburn areas. Mightn't be enough to get seats but increasing their vote share.
The DUP will do well also as they've held their ground in terms of Brexit and will be rewarded, even via transfers from the TUV.
I thought the TUV would have had a few more candiates, especially in certain areas. Allister just seems to be a foil for the DUP - just doing enough to keep them in check and not letting them do their own thing. He's their guide.
FWIW, I think they'll be back in Stormont - just a matter of when. From reading snippets of certain journaliats, DUP sources are saying this also.
Aontú are standing a good few candiates but are a bit right-wing for a lot of people. That hard core Catholic ethos hashad little impact in Ireland recently. Not sure if they'll take many seats though but could impact where the final seat goes.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 17, 2023, 04:14:00 PM
What do these "Independent republicans" stand for?
Or are they just Not Sinn Féin?
I'm not entirely sure. I think they are dissidents. Against Stormont, attending the coronation etc. Some of them are connected to IRA volunteers who died in the troubles so there's a bit of SF are sell-outs to it all as well. They have huge pressure on SF anyway. SF had the big guns out in Mid Ulster, Mary Lou and Conor Murphy. Mo'N is on every lamppost even though she's not even running. SF will have a good day I'd imagine but this is a worry for them. The Gildernew stuff in Clogher isn't going down well at all I'm told. Same as the Martina Anderson in Derry where she seemed to appoint candidates based on who was related to her. SF cleaned house there but maybe the Gildernew name is sacrosanct?
Quote from: keep her low this half on May 17, 2023, 04:22:03 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 17, 2023, 04:03:11 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 02:30:23 PM
Mid Ulster could be interesting.
Real squeeze on SF by Independent Republicans
In Dungannon Barry Monteith (current councillor) and Marian Vincent are up against Dominc Molloy, (current councillor & Francie's son ) and Deirdre Varsani. Interesting to see how that goes. Molloy has a good profile and is liked.
In Clogher Gael Gildernew is trying to defend her father Phelim's seat who retired (She is also Michelle's (MP) Sister and Colm's (MLA) Brother) her along with Eugene McConnell and Sean McGuigan (current coucillor) are up against Kevin McElvogue Ind Rep. SF have 2 elected and running 3. I think they might lose a seat here.
In Torrent Michelle O'Neill's home turf, Dan Kerr Ind Rep (current councillor) has Teresa Quinn as his running mate. SF are running 4.
Some SF voters are a bit pissed with the lack of selection process and the coronation of certain candidates from certain families. While SF will probably have a very good day across the north, Mid Ulster will be interesting. Ind Republicans are running 5 cands and calling it the drive for 5. I think they will add 1 for sure with McElvogue.
One to watch.
Isee a lot of older candidates are not running again. Across all the political parties. The new generation and all that.
Turnout will be interesting. Will it get above 60% overall. Weather to be decent, which might help.
Be interesting to see if Alliance make any more impact west of the Bann. They're trying to build their base in different areas. They'll finish as the 3 rd party.
Big day for the SDLP and UUP. They'll lose seats but will it keep Eastwood and Beattie in their jobs?
As per usual, the final seat in a lot of areas will be interesting. If certain parties are ahead before the final transfers, then that could see them over the line. Alliance will be transfer friendly.
Vote as far down the ballot paper as you can, including the DUP and TUV.
A bridge too far old chap!
I understand and I knew someone would raise this:
By doing this, you are pushing them further doing the list than by not doing it.
A tricky concept but it's true.
Quote from: marty34 on May 17, 2023, 04:34:26 PM
Quote from: keep her low this half on May 17, 2023, 04:22:03 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 17, 2023, 04:03:11 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 02:30:23 PM
Mid Ulster could be interesting.
Real squeeze on SF by Independent Republicans
In Dungannon Barry Monteith (current councillor) and Marian Vincent are up against Dominc Molloy, (current councillor & Francie's son ) and Deirdre Varsani. Interesting to see how that goes. Molloy has a good profile and is liked.
In Clogher Gael Gildernew is trying to defend her father Phelim's seat who retired (She is also Michelle's (MP) Sister and Colm's (MLA) Brother) her along with Eugene McConnell and Sean McGuigan (current coucillor) are up against Kevin McElvogue Ind Rep. SF have 2 elected and running 3. I think they might lose a seat here.
In Torrent Michelle O'Neill's home turf, Dan Kerr Ind Rep (current councillor) has Teresa Quinn as his running mate. SF are running 4.
Some SF voters are a bit pissed with the lack of selection process and the coronation of certain candidates from certain families. While SF will probably have a very good day across the north, Mid Ulster will be interesting. Ind Republicans are running 5 cands and calling it the drive for 5. I think they will add 1 for sure with McElvogue.
One to watch.
Isee a lot of older candidates are not running again. Across all the political parties. The new generation and all that.
Turnout will be interesting. Will it get above 60% overall. Weather to be decent, which might help.
Be interesting to see if Alliance make any more impact west of the Bann. They're trying to build their base in different areas. They'll finish as the 3 rd party.
Big day for the SDLP and UUP. They'll lose seats but will it keep Eastwood and Beattie in their jobs?
As per usual, the final seat in a lot of areas will be interesting. If certain parties are ahead before the final transfers, then that could see them over the line. Alliance will be transfer friendly.
Vote as far down the ballot paper as you can, including the DUP and TUV.
A bridge too far old chap!
I understand and I knew someone would raise this:
By doing this, you are pushing them further doing the list than by not doing it.
A tricky concept but it's true.
I always to my 1-2-3 and then start with the TUV and DUP from the bottom up.
Quote from: clonian on May 17, 2023, 04:36:08 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 17, 2023, 04:34:26 PM
Quote from: keep her low this half on May 17, 2023, 04:22:03 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 17, 2023, 04:03:11 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 02:30:23 PM
Mid Ulster could be interesting.
Real squeeze on SF by Independent Republicans
In Dungannon Barry Monteith (current councillor) and Marian Vincent are up against Dominc Molloy, (current councillor & Francie's son ) and Deirdre Varsani. Interesting to see how that goes. Molloy has a good profile and is liked.
In Clogher Gael Gildernew is trying to defend her father Phelim's seat who retired (She is also Michelle's (MP) Sister and Colm's (MLA) Brother) her along with Eugene McConnell and Sean McGuigan (current coucillor) are up against Kevin McElvogue Ind Rep. SF have 2 elected and running 3. I think they might lose a seat here.
In Torrent Michelle O'Neill's home turf, Dan Kerr Ind Rep (current councillor) has Teresa Quinn as his running mate. SF are running 4.
Some SF voters are a bit pissed with the lack of selection process and the coronation of certain candidates from certain families. While SF will probably have a very good day across the north, Mid Ulster will be interesting. Ind Republicans are running 5 cands and calling it the drive for 5. I think they will add 1 for sure with McElvogue.
One to watch.
Isee a lot of older candidates are not running again. Across all the political parties. The new generation and all that.
Turnout will be interesting. Will it get above 60% overall. Weather to be decent, which might help.
Be interesting to see if Alliance make any more impact west of the Bann. They're trying to build their base in different areas. They'll finish as the 3 rd party.
Big day for the SDLP and UUP. They'll lose seats but will it keep Eastwood and Beattie in their jobs?
As per usual, the final seat in a lot of areas will be interesting. If certain parties are ahead before the final transfers, then that could see them over the line. Alliance will be transfer friendly.
Vote as far down the ballot paper as you can, including the DUP and TUV.
A bridge too far old chap!
I understand and I knew someone would raise this:
By doing this, you are pushing them further doing the list than by not doing it.
A tricky concept but it's true.
I always to my 1-2-3 and then start with the TUV and DUP from the bottom up.
Vote till you boke is the saying you're looking for.
Quote from: marty34 on May 17, 2023, 04:31:33 PM
Aontú are standing a good few candiates but are a bit right-wing for a lot of people. That hard core Catholic ethos hashad little impact in Ireland recently. Not sure if they'll take many seats though but could impact where the final seat goes.
I'm sure a third of people support their views. However, social policy is not really the business of local councils, Aontú could provide an alternative to the closed shop of SF, who need a bit of competion in order not to be pure useless.
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 04:32:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 17, 2023, 04:14:00 PM
What do these "Independent republicans" stand for?
Or are they just Not Sinn Féin?
I'm not entirely sure. I think they are dissidents. Against Stormont, attending the coronation etc. Some of them are connected to IRA volunteers who died in the troubles so there's a bit of SF are sell-outs to it all as well. They have huge pressure on SF anyway. SF had the big guns out in Mid Ulster, Mary Lou and Conor Murphy. Mo'N is on every lamppost even though she's not even running. SF will have a good day I'd imagine but this is a worry for them. The Gildernew stuff in Clogher isn't going down well at all I'm told. Same as the Martina Anderson in Derry where she seemed to appoint candidates based on who was related to her. SF cleaned house there but maybe the Gildernew name is sacrosanct?
What happened re the Gildernews?
Quote from: the_daddy on May 17, 2023, 05:00:13 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 17, 2023, 04:34:26 PM
Quote from: keep her low this half on May 17, 2023, 04:22:03 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 17, 2023, 04:03:11 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 02:30:23 PM
Mid Ulster could be interesting.
Real squeeze on SF by Independent Republicans
In Dungannon Barry Monteith (current councillor) and Marian Vincent are up against Dominc Molloy, (current councillor & Francie's son ) and Deirdre Varsani. Interesting to see how that goes. Molloy has a good profile and is liked.
In Clogher Gael Gildernew is trying to defend her father Phelim's seat who retired (She is also Michelle's (MP) Sister and Colm's (MLA) Brother) her along with Eugene McConnell and Sean McGuigan (current coucillor) are up against Kevin McElvogue Ind Rep. SF have 2 elected and running 3. I think they might lose a seat here.
In Torrent Michelle O'Neill's home turf, Dan Kerr Ind Rep (current councillor) has Teresa Quinn as his running mate. SF are running 4.
Some SF voters are a bit pissed with the lack of selection process and the coronation of certain candidates from certain families. While SF will probably have a very good day across the north, Mid Ulster will be interesting. Ind Republicans are running 5 cands and calling it the drive for 5. I think they will add 1 for sure with McElvogue.
One to watch.
Isee a lot of older candidates are not running again. Across all the political parties. The new generation and all that.
Turnout will be interesting. Will it get above 60% overall. Weather to be decent, which might help.
Be interesting to see if Alliance make any more impact west of the Bann. They're trying to build their base in different areas. They'll finish as the 3 rd party.
Big day for the SDLP and UUP. They'll lose seats but will it keep Eastwood and Beattie in their jobs?
As per usual, the final seat in a lot of areas will be interesting. If certain parties are ahead before the final transfers, then that could see them over the line. Alliance will be transfer friendly.
Vote as far down the ballot paper as you can, including the DUP and TUV.
A bridge too far old chap!
I understand and I knew someone would raise this:
By doing this, you are pushing them further doing the list than by not doing it.
A tricky concept but it's true.
Unless there's one candidate you absolutely don't want to see getting elected then that's the way to do it but if you consider more than one to be of equal cuntiness then it's pointless.
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 04:32:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 17, 2023, 04:14:00 PM
What do these "Independent republicans" stand for?
Or are they just Not Sinn Féin?
I'm not entirely sure. I think they are dissidents. Against Stormont, attending the coronation etc. Some of them are connected to IRA volunteers who died in the troubles so there's a bit of SF are sell-outs to it all as well. They have huge pressure on SF anyway. SF had the big guns out in Mid Ulster, Mary Lou and Conor Murphy. Mo'N is on every lamppost even though she's not even running. SF will have a good day I'd imagine but this is a worry for them. The Gildernew stuff in Clogher isn't going down well at all I'm told. Same as the Martina Anderson in Derry where she seemed to appoint candidates based on who was related to her. SF cleaned house there but maybe the Gildernew name is sacrosanct?
Just because you aren't a SF republican it doesn't make you a dissident. All of them are well known and respected within their local communities and that's why SF have the big guns out. Monteith & Kerr have been very visable and active over the last four years and could conceivably get a running mate over the line.
They aren't dissidents ffs. Anyway Kerr gets my vote as he is the only one of these folk who has ever knocked on my door in the last number of years but most importantly he also seems to get things done. Sinn Fein can get to eff.
As per usual, the final seat in a lot of areas will be interesting. If certain parties are ahead before the final transfers, then that could see them over the line. Alliance will be transfer friendly.
Vote as far down the ballot paper as you can, including the DUP and TUV.
[/quote]
A bridge too far old chap!
[/quote]
I understand and I knew someone would raise this:
By doing this, you are pushing them further doing the list than by not doing it.
A tricky concept but it's true.
[/quote]
Unless there's one candidate you absolutely don't want to see getting elected then that's the way to do it but if you consider more than one to be of equal cuntiness then it's pointless.
I believe the term is 'Vote til you boke'
I'm not a Unionist, but the UUP candidate will definitely get a preference from me in order to keep him ahead of the DUP. My vote(or proportion of a vote) will only go to him once all my Higher preferences are Elected or Eliminated.
BTW, the UUP man is dacent enough.
Quote from: Feckitt on May 17, 2023, 08:44:03 PM
As per usual, the final seat in a lot of areas will be interesting. If certain parties are ahead before the final transfers, then that could see them over the line. Alliance will be transfer friendly.
Vote as far down the ballot paper as you can, including the DUP and TUV.
A bridge too far old chap!
[/quote]
I understand and I knew someone would raise this:
By doing this, you are pushing them further doing the list than by not doing it.
A tricky concept but it's true.[/quote]
Unless there's one candidate you absolutely don't want to see getting elected then that's the way to do it but if you consider more than one to be of equal cuntiness then it's pointless.
I believe the term is 'Vote til you boke'
I'm not a Unionist, but the UUP candidate will definitely get a preference from me in order to keep him ahead of the DUP. My vote(or proportion of a vote) will only go to him once all my Higher preferences are Elected or Eliminated.
BTW, the UUP man is dacent enough.
[/quote]
Yeah, as I said, some people won't get the concept of voting all the way down.
Unfortunately they think you're giving a bit of a vote to the DUP or TUV etc. which you aren't.
Quote from: clarshack on May 17, 2023, 08:04:32 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on May 17, 2023, 05:00:13 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 17, 2023, 04:34:26 PM
Quote from: keep her low this half on May 17, 2023, 04:22:03 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 17, 2023, 04:03:11 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 02:30:23 PM
Mid Ulster could be interesting.
Real squeeze on SF by Independent Republicans
In Dungannon Barry Monteith (current councillor) and Marian Vincent are up against Dominc Molloy, (current councillor & Francie's son ) and Deirdre Varsani. Interesting to see how that goes. Molloy has a good profile and is liked.
In Clogher Gael Gildernew is trying to defend her father Phelim's seat who retired (She is also Michelle's (MP) Sister and Colm's (MLA) Brother) her along with Eugene McConnell and Sean McGuigan (current coucillor) are up against Kevin McElvogue Ind Rep. SF have 2 elected and running 3. I think they might lose a seat here.
In Torrent Michelle O'Neill's home turf, Dan Kerr Ind Rep (current councillor) has Teresa Quinn as his running mate. SF are running 4.
Some SF voters are a bit pissed with the lack of selection process and the coronation of certain candidates from certain families. While SF will probably have a very good day across the north, Mid Ulster will be interesting. Ind Republicans are running 5 cands and calling it the drive for 5. I think they will add 1 for sure with McElvogue.
One to watch.
Isee a lot of older candidates are not running again. Across all the political parties. The new generation and all that.
Turnout will be interesting. Will it get above 60% overall. Weather to be decent, which might help.
Be interesting to see if Alliance make any more impact west of the Bann. They're trying to build their base in different areas. They'll finish as the 3 rd party.
Big day for the SDLP and UUP. They'll lose seats but will it keep Eastwood and Beattie in their jobs?
As per usual, the final seat in a lot of areas will be interesting. If certain parties are ahead before the final transfers, then that could see them over the line. Alliance will be transfer friendly.
Vote as far down the ballot paper as you can, including the DUP and TUV.
A bridge too far old chap!
I understand and I knew someone would raise this:
By doing this, you are pushing them further doing the list than by not doing it.
A tricky concept but it's true.
Unless there's one candidate you absolutely don't want to see getting elected then that's the way to do it but if you consider more than one to be of equal cuntiness then it's pointless.
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 04:32:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 17, 2023, 04:14:00 PM
What do these "Independent republicans" stand for?
Or are they just Not Sinn Féin?
I'm not entirely sure. I think they are dissidents. Against Stormont, attending the coronation etc. Some of them are connected to IRA volunteers who died in the troubles so there's a bit of SF are sell-outs to it all as well. They have huge pressure on SF anyway. SF had the big guns out in Mid Ulster, Mary Lou and Conor Murphy. Mo'N is on every lamppost even though she's not even running. SF will have a good day I'd imagine but this is a worry for them. The Gildernew stuff in Clogher isn't going down well at all I'm told. Same as the Martina Anderson in Derry where she seemed to appoint candidates based on who was related to her. SF cleaned house there but maybe the Gildernew name is sacrosanct?
Just because you aren't a SF republican it doesn't make you a dissident. All of them are well known and respected within their local communities and that's why SF have the big guns out. Monteith & Kerr have been very visable and active over the last four years and could conceivably get a running mate over the line.
They aren't dissidents ffs. Anyway Kerr gets my vote as he is the only one of these folk who has ever knocked on my door in the last number of years but most importantly he also seems to get things done. Sinn Fein can get to eff.
What are they then? Sinn Fein XXX?
Quote from: marty34 on May 17, 2023, 08:57:19 PM
Unfortunately they think you're giving a bit of a vote to the DUP or TUV etc. which you aren't.
THhs is not a border poll, there could be UU councillor who had some good work on cleaning up litter, getting a new park or whatever. You might absolutely want to give such a person a leg up over some out and out bigot.
If you don't vote all the way down you are also lowering the quota for those last positions, making it easier for someone to get in
Vote all the way down!
are a lot of these indepedent republicans irsp proxies
Quote from: smort on May 17, 2023, 10:23:28 PM
If you don't vote all the way down you are also lowering the quota for those last positions, making it easier for someone to get in
Vote all the way down!
Tried explaining this to family members who will only vote SF and then stop. I gave a transfer to Buchanan of the DUP in 2016 Assembly election because it was always going to be between him and the undoubtedly worse DUP candidate McCrea for the last seat. McCrea lost by 150 votes and hasn't ran since.
I don't know about voting, but you know F all about quoting!!
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 18, 2023, 06:39:52 AM
Quote from: smort on May 17, 2023, 10:23:28 PM
If you don't vote all the way down you are also lowering the quota for those last positions, making it easier for someone to get in
Vote all the way down!
Tried explaining this to family members who will only vote SF and then stop. I gave a transfer to Buchanan of the DUP in 2016 Assembly election because it was always going to be between him and the undoubtedly worse DUP candidate McCrea for the last seat. McCrea lost by 150 votes and hasn't ran since.
You know exactly how to use PR!!
Quote from: the_daddy on May 18, 2023, 10:14:44 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 18, 2023, 03:41:12 AM
are a lot of these indepedent republicans irsp proxies
No but there's 1 in Strabane that you could categorise like that.
Who? There are a lot of Independents in the Strabane area, and I can seem to work out if they are Independent Nationalists or just Independents?
is eastwoods leadership at stake if they do bad.
political party members should not be outside polling stations asking people questions trying to intimidate people
Quote from: Eire90 on May 18, 2023, 11:15:48 AM
political party members should not be outside polling stations asking people questions trying to intimidate people
What questions were they asking?
Quote from: Eire90 on May 18, 2023, 11:15:48 AM
political party members should not be outside polling stations asking people questions trying to intimidate people
Had Alliance, Aontu, SF and SDLP all hand me fliers going in last election didn't feel intimated to vote for any of them.. I don't get this suggestion, not as if they are holding a gun to your head.
If you feel that's intimidating and will sway your vote maybe voting isn't for you
did not happen to me it was other people reporting it happen to them
https://twitter.com/brendanhughes64/status/1659121620802322434?cxt=HHwWhIC-8duUsYYuAAAA
i hear they are doing it so they can knock on doors later if they think they are struggling
Quote from: Eire90 on May 18, 2023, 11:40:29 AM
https://twitter.com/brendanhughes64/status/1659121620802322434?cxt=HHwWhIC-8duUsYYuAAAA
Tell them to eff off! I know they sit inside and listen to the names called so they can score them off. Then at teatime they go back to base, enter them into the computer and draw up a list of ones who:
1) showed intention to vote for you during canvassing and
2) have not voted yet and "may need a lift nudge nudge" to the polling station for the evening time.
Thought this was supposed to have cut out as they are technically storing data on you without your consent. I know it was a big story in the south.
Source: I used to be involved in this crap myself.
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are a lot of these indepedent republicans irsp proxies
No but there's 1 in Strabane that you could categorise like that.
Who? There are a lot of Independents in the Strabane area, and I can seem to work out if they are Independent Nationalists or just Independents?
They're all nationalists/republicans of some hue.
Paul Gallagher would be of the IRSP Gallaghers.
Raymond Barr is a brother of the deceased Ivan Barr who was an SF cllr.
Patsy Kelly is a former SDLP cllr who fell out with the McCrossan cabal.
Thanks, What about Andy Patton, Sion Mills
was there money involved when they showed up at peoples houses offering them a lift to polling station.
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was there money involved when they showed up at peoples houses offering them a lift to polling station.
No lol. Parties wouldn't have money for that sort of thing.
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Quote from: Eire90 on May 18, 2023, 11:40:29 AM
https://twitter.com/brendanhughes64/status/1659121620802322434?cxt=HHwWhIC-8duUsYYuAAAA
Tell them to eff off! I know they sit inside and listen to the names called so they can score them off. Then at teatime they go back to base, enter them into the computer and draw up a list of ones who:
1) showed intention to vote for you during canvassing and
2) have not voted yet and "may need a lift nudge nudge" to the polling station for the evening time.
Thought this was supposed to have cut out as they are technically storing data on you without your consent. I know it was a big story in the south.
Source: I used to be involved in this crap myself.
Yeah, i think there's people sitting at tables inside who tick off your name. From political parties. They can see then the turnout and who has voted etc.
I don't think it's illegal as it's actually inside the room where you vote.
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Quote from: Eire90 on May 18, 2023, 11:40:29 AM
https://twitter.com/brendanhughes64/status/1659121620802322434?cxt=HHwWhIC-8duUsYYuAAAA
Tell them to eff off! I know they sit inside and listen to the names called so they can score them off. Then at teatime they go back to base, enter them into the computer and draw up a list of ones who:
1) showed intention to vote for you during canvassing and
2) have not voted yet and "may need a lift nudge nudge" to the polling station for the evening time.
Thought this was supposed to have cut out as they are technically storing data on you without your consent. I know it was a big story in the south.
Source: I used to be involved in this crap myself.
Yeah, i think there's people sitting at tables inside who tick off your name. From political parties. They can see then the turnout and who has voted etc.
I don't think it's illegal as it's actually inside the room where you vote.
def not illegal surely or they'd be stopped. Don't have any issue with them trying to get turnout as high as possible. Everyone should be voting
Asking people out on the street for their address is definitely not right.
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Quote from: Eire90 on May 18, 2023, 11:40:29 AM
https://twitter.com/brendanhughes64/status/1659121620802322434?cxt=HHwWhIC-8duUsYYuAAAA
Tell them to eff off! I know they sit inside and listen to the names called so they can score them off. Then at teatime they go back to base, enter them into the computer and draw up a list of ones who:
1) showed intention to vote for you during canvassing and
2) have not voted yet and "may need a lift nudge nudge" to the polling station for the evening time.
Thought this was supposed to have cut out as they are technically storing data on you without your consent. I know it was a big story in the south.
Source: I used to be involved in this crap myself.
Yeah, i think there's people sitting at tables inside who tick off your name. From political parties. They can see then the turnout and who has voted etc.
I don't think it's illegal as it's actually inside the room where you vote.
def not illegal surely or they'd be stopped. Don't have any issue with them trying to get turnout as high as possible. Everyone should be voting
Only one party has the man power and the funds to make this happen. It's a peak behind the curtain for when the eventually come to power in the South. You've been warned! East Germany wouldn't have a look in!!!
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https://twitter.com/brendanhughes64/status/1659121620802322434?cxt=HHwWhIC-8duUsYYuAAAA
Tell them to eff off! I know they sit inside and listen to the names called so they can score them off. Then at teatime they go back to base, enter them into the computer and draw up a list of ones who:
1) showed intention to vote for you during canvassing and
2) have not voted yet and "may need a lift nudge nudge" to the polling station for the evening time.
Thought this was supposed to have cut out as they are technically storing data on you without your consent. I know it was a big story in the south.
Source: I used to be involved in this crap myself.
Yeah, i think there's people sitting at tables inside who tick off your name. From political parties. They can see then the turnout and who has voted etc.
I don't think it's illegal as it's actually inside the room where you vote.
def not illegal surely or they'd be stopped. Don't have any issue with them trying to get turnout as high as possible. Everyone should be voting
Only one party has the man power and the funds to make this happen. It's a peak behind the curtain for when the eventually come to power in the South. You've been warned! East Germany wouldn't have a look in!!!
What party would that be? Let me guess. Your obsessive paranoia is eating you up.
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Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2023, 12:47:21 PM
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Quote from: RedHand88 on May 18, 2023, 11:56:10 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 18, 2023, 11:40:29 AM
https://twitter.com/brendanhughes64/status/1659121620802322434?cxt=HHwWhIC-8duUsYYuAAAA
Tell them to eff off! I know they sit inside and listen to the names called so they can score them off. Then at teatime they go back to base, enter them into the computer and draw up a list of ones who:
1) showed intention to vote for you during canvassing and
2) have not voted yet and "may need a lift nudge nudge" to the polling station for the evening time.
Thought this was supposed to have cut out as they are technically storing data on you without your consent. I know it was a big story in the south.
Source: I used to be involved in this crap myself.
Yeah, i think there's people sitting at tables inside who tick off your name. From political parties. They can see then the turnout and who has voted etc.
I don't think it's illegal as it's actually inside the room where you vote.
def not illegal surely or they'd be stopped. Don't have any issue with them trying to get turnout as high as possible. Everyone should be voting
Only one party has the man power and the funds to make this happen. It's a peak behind the curtain for when the eventually come to power in the South. You've been warned! East Germany wouldn't have a look in!!!
What party would that be? Let me guess. Your obsessive paranoia is eating you up.
Can't say too much. They are probably monitoring the board.
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SF are very popular but they do SFA for the local economy which is a mess.
Is that local to you in Galway?
It's the Northern Command of SF. They control a lot of the financial levers but they can't get the economy going.
The North needs to be dolled up economically if reunification is going to work. If it was now there wouldn't be a majority in the south for reunification.
Sinn Féin "control a lot of the financial levers but can't get the economy going"? ??? That's quite the statement to have to unpack.
The financial levers are firmly held by the tories. Stormont has no fiscal powers. It has also been in suspension because of the DUP boycott. When Stormont
is running, the economy minister is Diane Dodds of the DUP.
So holding SF responsible for the north's economic state is just bizarre. The economy of the north is entirely dictated from London. And why is it in the state it is? Why has the handout from Westminster been slashed? Because English MPs don't get votes here.
As part of the Tory Gorvernment's central policy of "Levelling Up", a 'Levelling Up' office was set up in Belfast to distribute the cash supposed to be doled out to each region. The fund under it's remit, called the 'Shared Prosperity Fund", was slashed for the north, while the mechanics of distributing it were termed by the top Finance and Economy civil servants in Stormont to be "highly sub-optimal". Is that 'Levelling Up" office run by SF then? No. It's run by British Government and is not answerable to anybody here. Sinn Féin's fault? I should also add that the 'Levelling Up Fund' was proclaimed to be a replacement for the money we used to get from the European Social Fund. But that fund stopped after Brexit. Who brought us Brexit? The tories. Who helped them? the DUP. Sinn Féin's fault?
Anyway, it is hard to roll the eyes any time anyone talk about the north's economy. As Brian Feeney said:
"The north's economy? This isn't a country. It isn't the size of Yorkshire. It doesn't have an economy".
Stormont has no fiscal powers? What does the Finance minister do?
There is more spent on Health per person here than anywhere across the water. The Tories spend more on health in Tyrone than they do in the Shire counties.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 18, 2023, 02:18:23 PM
Stormont has no fiscal powers? What does the Finance minister do?
There is more spent on Health per person here than anywhere across the water. The Tories spend more on health in Tyrone than they do in the Shire counties.
Have you been under the impression that Stormont has tax raising powers this whole time? :o
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 18, 2023, 02:18:23 PM
Stormont has no fiscal powers? What does the Finance minister do?
There is more spent on Health per person here than anywhere across the water. The Tories spend more on health in Tyrone than they do in the Shire counties.
Too many wee, shíte hospitals as per the Bengoa report.
To implement the changes required a huge upfront investment is needed and that's not forthcoming from Westminster and Stormont hasn't the ability to raise its own finances on international markets.
I'm not defending SF as it's the same for whoever is "in power" in Stormont.
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2023, 12:47:21 PM
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Quote from: Eire90 on May 18, 2023, 11:40:29 AM
https://twitter.com/brendanhughes64/status/1659121620802322434?cxt=HHwWhIC-8duUsYYuAAAA
Tell them to eff off! I know they sit inside and listen to the names called so they can score them off. Then at teatime they go back to base, enter them into the computer and draw up a list of ones who:
1) showed intention to vote for you during canvassing and
2) have not voted yet and "may need a lift nudge nudge" to the polling station for the evening time.
Thought this was supposed to have cut out as they are technically storing data on you without your consent. I know it was a big story in the south.
Source: I used to be involved in this crap myself.
Yeah, i think there's people sitting at tables inside who tick off your name. From political parties. They can see then the turnout and who has voted etc.
I don't think it's illegal as it's actually inside the room where you vote.
def not illegal surely or they'd be stopped. Don't have any issue with them trying to get turnout as high as possible. Everyone should be voting
Only one party has the man power and the funds to make this happen. It's a peak behind the curtain for when the eventually come to power in the South. You've been warned! East Germany wouldn't have a look in!!!
just voted and yeah it was only the Shinners at it.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 18, 2023, 02:18:23 PM
Stormont has no fiscal powers? What does the Finance minister do?
There is more spent on Health per person here than anywhere across the water. The Tories spend more on health in Tyrone than they do in the Shire counties.
Remember if it is a good news story then Sinn Fein delivered it. If it's not, then it is DUP/Tories/ fault.
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2023, 03:22:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 18, 2023, 02:18:23 PM
Stormont has no fiscal powers? What does the Finance minister do?
There is more spent on Health per person here than anywhere across the water. The Tories spend more on health in Tyrone than they do in the Shire counties.
Remember if it is a good news story then Sinn Fein delivered it. If it's not, then it is DUP/Tories/ fault.
Ok sorry Trailer. You're right. Stormont
isn't currently suspended. And it
does have fiscal powers. And SF
is the sole party governing the place. And Gerry Adams
did eat your hamster. My bad.
FFS I know the stoops are about to have yet another bad day but seriously, try to seem a little less triggered, will you?
Quote from: Snapchap on May 18, 2023, 03:36:55 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2023, 03:22:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 18, 2023, 02:18:23 PM
Stormont has no fiscal powers? What does the Finance minister do?
There is more spent on Health per person here than anywhere across the water. The Tories spend more on health in Tyrone than they do in the Shire counties.
Remember if it is a good news story then Sinn Fein delivered it. If it's not, then it is DUP/Tories/ fault.
Ok sorry Trailer. You're right. Stormont isn't currently suspended. And it does have fiscal powers. And SF is the sole party governing the place. And Gerry Adams did eat your hamster. My bad.
FFS I know the stoops are about to have yet another bad day but seriously, try to seem a little less triggered, will you?
Only one party are Stoops now! Michelle and her Coronation antics! Brits out? More like Tea and Buns with the Brits!
Remember when SF kept Stormont down? No?
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2023, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 18, 2023, 03:36:55 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2023, 03:22:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 18, 2023, 02:18:23 PM
Stormont has no fiscal powers? What does the Finance minister do?
There is more spent on Health per person here than anywhere across the water. The Tories spend more on health in Tyrone than they do in the Shire counties.
Remember if it is a good news story then Sinn Fein delivered it. If it's not, then it is DUP/Tories/ fault.
Ok sorry Trailer. You're right. Stormont isn't currently suspended. And it does have fiscal powers. And SF is the sole party governing the place. And Gerry Adams did eat your hamster. My bad.
FFS I know the stoops are about to have yet another bad day but seriously, try to seem a little less triggered, will you?
Only one party are Stoops now! Michelle and her Coronation antics! Brits out? More like Tea and Buns with the Brits!
Remember when SF kept Stormont down? No?
Remember when Stormont took on full tax raising powers under a SF majority government? Yeah me neither. Still though, what a mess SF have single handedly made of the economy, eh?
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Quote from: Snapchap on May 18, 2023, 03:36:55 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2023, 03:22:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 18, 2023, 02:18:23 PM
Stormont has no fiscal powers? What does the Finance minister do?
There is more spent on Health per person here than anywhere across the water. The Tories spend more on health in Tyrone than they do in the Shire counties.
Remember if it is a good news story then Sinn Fein delivered it. If it's not, then it is DUP/Tories/ fault.
Ok sorry Trailer. You're right. Stormont isn't currently suspended. And it does have fiscal powers. And SF is the sole party governing the place. And Gerry Adams did eat your hamster. My bad.
FFS I know the stoops are about to have yet another bad day but seriously, try to seem a little less triggered, will you?
Only one party are Stoops now! Michelle and her Coronation antics! Brits out? More like Tea and Buns with the Brits!
Remember when SF kept Stormont down? No?
Remember when Stormont took on full tax raising powers under a SF majority government? Yeah me neither. Still though, what a mess SF have single handedly made of the economy, eh?
Yes of course good government can only be delivered by majority government with full tax raising powers. Michelle should have asked Charlie for this when she was over at his Coronation.
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2023, 04:03:53 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 18, 2023, 03:51:52 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2023, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 18, 2023, 03:36:55 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2023, 03:22:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 18, 2023, 02:18:23 PM
Stormont has no fiscal powers? What does the Finance minister do?
There is more spent on Health per person here than anywhere across the water. The Tories spend more on health in Tyrone than they do in the Shire counties.
Remember if it is a good news story then Sinn Fein delivered it. If it's not, then it is DUP/Tories/ fault.
Ok sorry Trailer. You're right. Stormont isn't currently suspended. And it does have fiscal powers. And SF is the sole party governing the place. And Gerry Adams did eat your hamster. My bad.
FFS I know the stoops are about to have yet another bad day but seriously, try to seem a little less triggered, will you?
Only one party are Stoops now! Michelle and her Coronation antics! Brits out? More like Tea and Buns with the Brits!
Remember when SF kept Stormont down? No?
Remember when Stormont took on full tax raising powers under a SF majority government? Yeah me neither. Still though, what a mess SF have single handedly made of the economy, eh?
Yes of course good government can only be delivered by majority government with full tax raising powers. Michelle should have asked Charlie for this when she was over at his Coronation.
Was it a cute little hamster? You must have been particularly close to it.
What powers do councillors have in the North? Because in ROI local councillors have so little powers now I'm struggling to understand why we still have them. It's clear central government have totally taken power away and the leading civil servants in government departments call the shots on practically everything now along with government ministers. Even backbench TDs seem to have little influence.
Local democracy is basically a thing of the past it seems. Are local elections/councillors just now a facade to pretend that people have a say or choice in what happens?
I wonder what was the turnout yesterday?
Read that it was 52% last time out, would guess it's <50 this time
Quote from: marty34 on May 19, 2023, 07:26:57 AM
I wonder what was the turnout yesterday?
Early reports would suggest around 53.4%
Michelle O'Neill was very prominent at the polling stations around the Coalisland area all day yesterday. She must be panicking about the couple of independents running in the area.
Quote from: square_ball on May 19, 2023, 08:37:17 AM
Michelle O'Neill was very prominent at the polling stations around the Coalisland area all day yesterday. She must be panicking about the couple of independents running in the area.
I'd say all politicians stayed close to their local stations yesterday.
Makes sense.
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Quote from: square_ball on May 19, 2023, 08:37:17 AM
Michelle O'Neill was very prominent at the polling stations around the Coalisland area all day yesterday. She must be panicking about the couple of independents running in the area.
I'd say all politicians stayed close to their local stations yesterday.
Makes sense.
Was at my local polling station after work, unfortunately I'm in a Unionist dominated ward, the lads from the TUV and DUP wearing their rosette's would sicken your hole ;D
But, there is a neighbour and going to say loosely ten times removed 'friend' that is running for the UUP, in fairness to him he's a very local man who has just local issues to concern himself with but him and his wife were outside the station , normal clothes and no badges or colours, was refreshing to see..
Have been fighting with my conscious since I voted yesterday. Did something in 25+ years of voting which I never done before. Voted all the way down the ballot including the DUP as my second last preference and the TUV last. I feel dirty. Please tell me I wasn't wrong in what I did!!
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 19, 2023, 09:47:34 AM
Have been fighting with my conscious since I voted yesterday. Did something in 25+ years of voting which I never done before. Voted all the way down the ballot including the DUP as my second last preference and the TUV last. I feel dirty. Please tell me I wasn't wrong in what I did!!
I think you were right to stay awake while voting
Not a result as such but a tally, talk of a second Alliance seat in Balmoral at the expense of the DUP.
Some really high turnout figures west of the Bann as usual, particularly Coalisland and Enniskillen. Low in traditionally Unionist areas.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 19, 2023, 10:13:49 AM
Not a result as such but a tally, talk of a second Alliance seat in Balmoral at the expense of the DUP.
Some really high turnout figures west of the Bann as usual, particularly Coalisland and Enniskillen. Low in traditionally Unionist areas.
The low turn out in these Traditional Unionist areas, won't affect the result which will roughly stay the same, different hues of the same sh*t.
However the low turn out will be a blow to the narrative that wee Jeff was trying to play too, a large strong confident unionist anti-protocol turn out.
Can the inference be taken from this that as suspected, regular people including Unionist PUL don't really care?
Any good places to watch election coverage?
Nearly 6 out of 10 people in Antrim didn't feel motivated enough to vote #Unionistfury
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 19, 2023, 10:39:41 AM
Nearly 6 out of 10 people in Antrim didn't feel motivated enough to vote #Unionistfury
You'd have thought with the weather being great turn out would have been slightly better? Are people fed up?
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 19, 2023, 10:32:21 AM
Any good places to watch election coverage?
I think BBC journalists are on strike today because of job cuts etc.
Picked it for full maximum effect.
Fair play to them.
Torrent DEA (Coalisland, Clonoe, Ardboe - very Republican DEA, Michelle O Neills home DEA) was 65.6%, up 5.9% from last time.
Quote from: marty34 on May 19, 2023, 10:50:23 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 19, 2023, 10:32:21 AM
Any good places to watch election coverage?
I think BBC journalists are on strike today because of job cuts etc.
Picked it for full maximum effect.
Fair play to them.
Was wondering why radio Ulster had BBC 5 live on instead
SF 3 seats in Erne West.. McGoldrick not getting in. Predictions in the count hall
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Quote from: marty34 on May 19, 2023, 10:50:23 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 19, 2023, 10:32:21 AM
Any good places to watch election coverage?
I think BBC journalists are on strike today because of job cuts etc.
Picked it for full maximum effect.
Fair play to them.
Was wondering why radio Ulster had BBC 5 live on instead
Adam Smyth, the new BBC NI Director is hardly off to a flyer in his new role, not helped by his TUV candidate mum spouting anti-Irish guff the other day..
https://twitter.com/brendanhughes64/status/1659473392800595975?t=5k0KZy715M3HItrqRARL7w&s=09
SF have went from 900 to 1900 votes in Killultagh DEA in Lisburn/Castlereagh of all places.
They could have ran 2 candidates with those sorts of numbers!
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 19, 2023, 11:47:46 AM
SF have went from 900 to 1900 votes in Killultagh DEA in Lisburn/Castlereagh of all places.
They could have ran 2 candidates with those sorts of numbers!
I assume that's Glenavy direction ?
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 19, 2023, 11:20:48 AM
SF 3 seats in Erne West.. McGoldrick not getting in. Predictions in the count hall
Who's Mc Goldrick?
wowwww a man in 70s arrested after assault at polling station reports of intimidation
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dup-candidate-threatened-told-leave-26943800
Quote from: marty34 on May 19, 2023, 12:01:42 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 19, 2023, 11:20:48 AM
SF 3 seats in Erne West.. McGoldrick not getting in. Predictions in the count hall
Who's Mc Goldrick?
Independent Republican - Endorsed by Bernice Swift outgoing independent councillor
Quote from: Eire90 on May 19, 2023, 12:05:43 PM
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dup-candidate-threatened-told-leave-26943800
https://twitter.com/lnimhurchu/status/1659244762094764051?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
No votes allowed in East Belfast
https://belfastmedia.com/belfast-polling-station-decked-out-like-an-orange-hall
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 19, 2023, 11:59:26 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 19, 2023, 11:47:46 AM
SF have went from 900 to 1900 votes in Killultagh DEA in Lisburn/Castlereagh of all places.
They could have ran 2 candidates with those sorts of numbers!
I assume that's Glenavy direction ?
Aye Glenavy, Stoneyford and round there.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 19, 2023, 12:39:29 PM
https://belfastmedia.com/belfast-polling-station-decked-out-like-an-orange-hall
Lol Jesus christ I'd have wrecked it if I walked into that.
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 19, 2023, 11:59:26 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 19, 2023, 11:47:46 AM
SF have went from 900 to 1900 votes in Killultagh DEA in Lisburn/Castlereagh of all places.
They could have ran 2 candidates with those sorts of numbers!
I assume that's Glenavy direction ?
Demographics are changing very quickly in placrs like that.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 05, 2023, 12:54:00 PM
Cookstown DEA, Mid-Ulster Council, 7 seats
2019: 3 x Sinn Féin, 1 x SDLP, 1 x DUP, 2 x UUP
On the Nationalist side it will probably be as you were. The same 4 SF/SDLP candidates are running again after being elected comfortably last time. I see no reason why it won't happen again.
An independant republican or Aontú may have made things interesting but neither are running here.
Unionists could see a change. The second UUP candidate squeaked past a second DUP candidate for the 7th seat last time. I cant see them being so lucky again given the DUPs rising poll numbers.
Prediction
3 x Sinn Féin, 1 x SDLP, 2 x DUP, 1 x UUP
1 DUP gain
1 UUP loss
Looking like exactly this. SF have went from 42% to over 50%. They'll run 4 next time for sure.
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Quote from: Mourne Red on May 19, 2023, 11:20:48 AM
SF 3 seats in Erne West.. McGoldrick not getting in. Predictions in the count hall
Who's Mc Goldrick?
Independent Republican - Endorsed by Bernice Swift outgoing independent councillor
Ok, thanks.
https://www.irishtimes.com/media/2023/05/19/bbc-ni-coverage-of-local-elections-taken-off-air-as-journalists-strike/
Quote from: Eire90 on May 19, 2023, 12:39:29 PM
https://belfastmedia.com/belfast-polling-station-decked-out-like-an-orange-hall
Thats disgraceful.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 19, 2023, 01:03:57 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 19, 2023, 12:39:29 PM
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Thats disgraceful.
Sandy Row, what would you expect ?
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 19, 2023, 01:35:22 PM
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Quote from: Eire90 on May 19, 2023, 12:39:29 PM
https://belfastmedia.com/belfast-polling-station-decked-out-like-an-orange-hall
Thats disgraceful.
Sandy Row, what would you expect ?
They'll say it hasn't been taken down since the coronation
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 19, 2023, 01:35:22 PM
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Quote from: Eire90 on May 19, 2023, 12:39:29 PM
https://belfastmedia.com/belfast-polling-station-decked-out-like-an-orange-hall
Thats disgraceful.
Sandy Row, what would you expect ?
I expect that the electoral officials would sort it out.
I know the word 'surge' is usually only used about Alliance, but so far it looks like a Sinn Fein surge today. DUP have boxed clever and I think they'll be happy enough with the outcome. Smaller parties and independents having a rough time. UUP & SDLP look to be sinking further. Have the wheels come off PBP?
Michael stones cub elected in Ballymena
Michelle and Naomi looking happy anyway!
SF miss out on the 4th councillor in torrent as DUP transfers give SDLP a healthy lead for the last seat.
It looks like Conservative catholics have stopped SF getting 4 seats.
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Quote from: Eire90 on May 19, 2023, 12:39:29 PM
https://belfastmedia.com/belfast-polling-station-decked-out-like-an-orange-hall
Thats disgraceful.
Sandy Row, what would you expect ?
I expect that the electoral officials would sort it out.
Totally, I would expect people to do the jobs they are getting paid for. If they feel intimidated surely there'd be a policeman or more senior election official on hand
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on May 19, 2023, 05:05:20 PM
Michael stones cub elected in Ballymena
Which one? he's about 15 of them running around
Fcuk he does look like a young Stone. Does this help soften the blow for themmuns?
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 19, 2023, 08:44:55 PM
Fcuk he does look like a young Stone. Does this help soften the blow for themmuns?
Probably why he done so well in Ballymena. Mistaken identity.
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Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 19, 2023, 08:44:55 PM
Fcuk he does look like a young Stone. Does this help soften the blow for themmuns?
Probably why he done so well in Ballymena. Mistaken identity.
Good point well made 😃
My first 5 preferences came through - 4 SF councillors returned in Lurgan, 2 DUP and 1 AP.
UUP & SDLP finished in the town.
They keep reporting first ever SF cllr in Ballymena, was Monica Digney not elected in the noughties ??
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 19, 2023, 10:23:58 PM
They keep reporting first ever SF cllr in Ballymena, was Monica Digney not elected in the noughties ??
Maybe in the actual Ballymena DEA area?
What was philip mcguigan then. Me confused also
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on May 19, 2023, 05:05:20 PM
Michael stones cub elected in Ballymena
Are you Patrizio Giuseppe on twitter lol?
Surely that p***k Eastwood will get the road now.. But we're do the SDLP go from here? Their voters are either deserting them for SF/AP or they going to their graves.. Part is flat lining
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 19, 2023, 11:31:52 PM
Surely that p***k Eastwood will get the road now.. But we're do the SDLP go from here? Their voters are either deserting them for SF/AP or they going to their graves.. Part is flat lining
they are pointless. Only selling point is they aren't SF. But SF are too attractive now so anyone that isn't a bitter little fleg lover has no reason not to vote for them
Christ! SDLP down to a single councilor in the ABC council, and Declan McAlinden is out. Never seen the like of it. Hard to see a path back to relevance for the party now, as much as it pains me to say it.
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Quote from: Mourne Red on May 19, 2023, 11:31:52 PM
Surely that p***k Eastwood will get the road now.. But we're do the SDLP go from here? Their voters are either deserting them for SF/AP or they going to their graves.. Part is flat lining
they are pointless. Only selling point is they aren't SF. But SF are too attractive now so anyone that isn't a bitter little fleg lover has no reason not to vote for them
What do any of these councillors do for people? They draw on the teat for expenses and allowances but apart from that I don't see much activity in Armagh. I had reason to contact SF in Armagh last year about an urgent issue. Was told they'd call back. They didn't. Tried Mickey Brady. Was told someone would be in touch. They weren't. The person who ended up sorting it was Danny Kennedy who actually isn't even in office! The depressing thing about polarised politics is SF and DUP could put a stuffed toy up for election and they'd get voted in. A stuffed toy would be better than some round here.
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Quote from: Mourne Red on May 19, 2023, 11:31:52 PM
Surely that p***k Eastwood will get the road now.. But we're do the SDLP go from here? Their voters are either deserting them for SF/AP or they going to their graves.. Part is flat lining
they are pointless. Only selling point is they aren't SF. But SF are too attractive now so anyone that isn't a bitter little fleg lover has no reason not to vote for them
What do any of these councillors do for people? They draw on the teat for expenses and allowances but apart from that I don't see much activity in Armagh. I had reason to contact SF in Armagh last year about an urgent issue. Was told they'd call back. They didn't. Tried Mickey Brady. Was told someone would be in touch. They weren't. The person who ended up sorting it was Danny Kennedy who actually isn't even in office! The depressing thing about polarised politics is SF and DUP could put a stuffed toy up for election and they'd get voted in. A stuffed toy would be better than some round here.
Nail on the head
it gives them photo ops boost thier egos it seems very cliquey too
leo varadker needs to go after his latests comments
Quote from: Eire90 on May 20, 2023, 10:52:24 AM
leo varadker needs to go after his latests comments
If he didnt go after the black and tan debacle he'll never go. Whats he done now
Eastwood on saying people have voted SF because they're angry at the DUP.. Jesus thon boy blames anyone but himself.
At this point I would be surprised if he was a Shinner plant to ruin SDLP
Danny Kennedy on BBC talking about the risk of Sinn Fein domination in some areas. Made a bit of an eejet out if himself
Quote from: An Watcher on May 20, 2023, 11:29:13 AM
Danny Kennedy on BBC talking about the risk of Sinn Fein domination in some areas. Made a bit of an eejet out if himself
Bizarre like.. Carruthers called him out on it to be fair, UUP didn't care when they were top party and he stumbled over himself. Must be on the drink
Quote from: An Watcher on May 20, 2023, 11:29:13 AM
Danny Kennedy on BBC talking about the risk of Sinn Fein domination in some areas. Made a bit of an eejet out if himself
Just cringed watching that. In other words it was 'please don't vote us out, it's not fair that nationalists are now on power with us'. Laughable
Quote from: An Watcher on May 20, 2023, 11:29:13 AM
Danny Kennedy on BBC talking about the risk of Sinn Fein domination in some areas. Made a bit of an eejet out if himself
His wider point is that there are prods in Slieve Gullion etc.and they are entitled to representation, so SF taking over entire areas doesn't help community relations, especially as SF reps likely won't go out of their way to help "the other side". Unionists need to help themselves by getting out and voting. Finucane handles himself well.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 20, 2023, 11:45:51 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 20, 2023, 11:29:13 AM
Danny Kennedy on BBC talking about the risk of Sinn Fein domination in some areas. Made a bit of an eejet out if himself
His wider point is that there are prods in Slieve Gullion etc.and they are entitled to representation, so SF taking over entire areas doesn't help community relations, especially as SF reps likely won't go out of their way to help "the other side". Unionists need to help themselves by getting out and voting. Finucane handles himself well.
Sounds familiar, the irony of that lost on unionists
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 20, 2023, 11:45:51 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 20, 2023, 11:29:13 AM
Danny Kennedy on BBC talking about the risk of Sinn Fein domination in some areas. Made a bit of an eejet out if himself
His wider point is that there are prods in Slieve Gullion etc.and they are entitled to representation, so SF taking over entire areas doesn't help community relations, especially as SF reps likely won't go out of their way to help "the other side". Unionists need to help themselves by getting out and voting. Finucane handles himself well.
In fairness to Kennedy he was always a decent enough skin if you needed help or whatever he was probably the best man to call. You'll find a big push from the Shinners now to help the other side although would many wee orange men swallow their pride and ring one
Seems like a combination of frustration and sour grapes from Kennedy. Bit ridiculous for him to use terms like "benign apartheid" as if it's somehow SF's fault that his party can't attract votes.
Quote from: general_lee on May 20, 2023, 02:53:34 PM
Seems like a combination of frustration and sour grapes from Kennedy. Bit ridiculous for him to use terms like "benign apartheid" as if it's somehow SF's fault that his party can't attract votes.
SF are untouchable now but politics is about delivering and they can't. NI productivity is ultra low.
Stein's law says that if something cannot go on forever it won't.
Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2023, 03:02:36 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 20, 2023, 02:53:34 PM
Seems like a combination of frustration and sour grapes from Kennedy. Bit ridiculous for him to use terms like "benign apartheid" as if it's somehow SF's fault that his party can't attract votes.
SF are untouchable now but politics is about delivering and they can't. NI productivity is ultra low.
Stein's law says that if something cannot go on forever it won't.
It's a basketcase with no functioning regional government. The second biggest party is a collection of fundamentalist religious nutjobs. NI will leave the stage before SF do.
Quote from: An Watcher on May 20, 2023, 11:29:13 AM
Danny Kennedy on BBC talking about the risk of Sinn Fein domination in some areas. Made a bit of an eejet out if himself
Comedy gold. They're finally beginning to realise the game is up. And the irony is, they have only themselves to blame.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 20, 2023, 12:48:34 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 20, 2023, 11:45:51 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 20, 2023, 11:29:13 AM
Danny Kennedy on BBC talking about the risk of Sinn Fein domination in some areas. Made a bit of an eejet out if himself
His wider point is that there are prods in Slieve Gullion etc.and they are entitled to representation, so SF taking over entire areas doesn't help community relations, especially as SF reps likely won't go out of their way to help "the other side". Unionists need to help themselves by getting out and voting. Finucane handles himself well.
In fairness to Kennedy he was always a decent enough skin if you needed help or whatever he was probably the best man to call. You'll find a big push from the Shinners now to help the other side although would many wee orange men swallow their pride and ring one
Yeah, watched that. Kennedy was on a rant. He was embarrassing.
Imagine saying, ok, put yourself up for election but try not to get any votes.
What a clown
Quote from: LC on May 20, 2023, 08:31:35 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 20, 2023, 08:25:55 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 20, 2023, 12:24:59 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 19, 2023, 11:31:52 PM
Surely that p***k Eastwood will get the road now.. But we're do the SDLP go from here? Their voters are either deserting them for SF/AP or they going to their graves.. Part is flat lining
they are pointless. Only selling point is they aren't SF. But SF are too attractive now so anyone that isn't a bitter little fleg lover has no reason not to vote for them
What do any of these councillors do for people? They draw on the teat for expenses and allowances but apart from that I don't see much activity in Armagh. I had reason to contact SF in Armagh last year about an urgent issue. Was told they'd call back. They didn't. Tried Mickey Brady. Was told someone would be in touch. They weren't. The person who ended up sorting it was Danny Kennedy who actually isn't even in office! The depressing thing about polarised politics is SF and DUP could put a stuffed toy up for election and they'd get voted in. A stuffed toy would be better than some round here.
Nail on the head
Absolutely.
(https://talk.hyvor.com/media/website/6735/JhuiIG6Lic5EfMjgxucKrWAEzA7RyqVwqxvDqJ3E.jpg)
Polarisation is no good for anyone
Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2023, 04:53:29 PM
Polarisation is no good for anyone
You must have missed the last 102 years since the formation of Northern Ireland
Shinners took a seat in Coleraine, wonder could we see an actual Coleraine GAA club in future as opposed to the Portstewart gaa we currently have
Coleraine won a derry championship not long ago??
Yeah but they haven't a big pick, done well with what they have.
Nationalist vote is greater than Unionist vote for the first time ever. What is the point in NI anymore?
Irish government need to grow some balls and prepare for Unity because this is a one way ticket. Unionists will never outpoll Nationalism ever again.
Quote from: Feckitt on May 20, 2023, 09:25:27 PM
Nationalist vote is greater than Unionist vote for the first time ever. What is the point in NI anymore?
Irish government need to grow some balls and prepare for Unity because this is a one way ticket. Unionists will never outpoll Nationalism ever again.
Yeah, things are changing pretty quickly.
Only problem is unionism doesn't seem to realise it or doesn't want to realise it.
Look at Danny Kennedy today - what a joke. He just doesn't get it.
Shinners picked up seats all over the place this time. In East Belfast, Lisburn and Coleraine etc. The demographics are changing quickly. Could have had picked up a few more seats also. Stood only 1 candidate in Limavady and in other places, they got the SDLP over the line.
It clears to see that the Protocol didn't have an impact in this election.
SF played it well. Didn't rock the boat while saying and doing the right things at the right time. I think they took the issues they were having in Derry City by the horns, went in and sorted it and look at the result today. Short term pain for longer term gain.
SDLP in big trouble. Very stale and very lucky they didn't lose more seats. Hard to know what they stand for this past 10 years. A lot of mixing and maxing with Labour, FF and FG. Eastwood has his work cut out and I heard him on saying voters were punishing the DUP. Needs to reflect on his leadership. Bit arrogant for my liking but some good councillors lost their seats.
Aontú keep coming back for more punishment. Getting nowhere near seats so hard to know where they go to. Be interesting to see how they go in the south after taking a battering in the north.
Good day for Alliance. Gradually building but they're still not coming down green or orange.....which they will have to at some stage.
Quote from: marty34 on May 20, 2023, 11:48:31 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on May 20, 2023, 09:25:27 PM
Nationalist vote is greater than Unionist vote for the first time ever. What is the point in NI anymore?
Irish government need to grow some balls and prepare for Unity because this is a one way ticket. Unionists will never outpoll Nationalism ever again.
Yeah, things are changing pretty quickly.
Only problem is unionism doesn't seem to realise it or doesn't want to realise it.
Look at Danny Kennedy today - what a joke. He just doesn't get it.
Shinners picked up seats all over the place this time. In East Belfast, Lisburn and Coleraine etc. The demographics are changing quickly. Could have had picked up a few more seats also. Stood only 1 candidate in Limavady and in other places, they got the SDLP over the line.
It clears to see that the Protocol didn't have an impact in this election.
SF played it well. Didn't rock the boat while saying and doing the right things at the right time. I think they took the issues they were having in Derry City by the horns, went in and sorted it and look at the result today. Short term pain for longer term gain.
SDLP in big trouble. Very stale and very lucky they didn't lose more seats. Hard to know what they stand for this past 10 years. A lot of mixing and maxing with Labour, FF and FG. Eastwood has his work cut out and I heard him on saying voters were punishing the DUP. Needs to reflect on his leadership. Bit arrogant for my liking but some good councillors lost their seats.
Aontú keep coming back for more punishment. Getting nowhere near seats so hard to know where they go to. Be interesting to see how they go in the south after taking a battering in the north.
Good day for Alliance. Gradually building but they're still not coming down green or orange.....which they will have to at some stage.
The constant SF bashing and the selection of candidates in some areas left a lot to be desired. Selected a 20 year old from Lagan Valley to run in Slieve Croob - Newry and Mourne. SF done it right picking locals in their area so people had a connection to them.
Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2023, 04:53:29 PM
Polarisation is no good for anyone
Weird, weird man. Would seriously question the mental health behind some of the posts
Agus sin é. One day people will look back on today in history books and say that was a momentous day. It's a local election but the worm has turned. We are moving down an irreversible pathway. We don't know the time frame, we can guess, but there is only 1 conclusion.
Nationalist vote share around 42 %. It hasn't really changed in 25 yrs something Ellis O Hanlon had great pleasure in pointing out. What the bitter cretin didn't point out was that the Unionist vote over 25yrs has dropped by nearly 20% to 38%. It's also fair to say that the Alliance party is now a lot more 'green' as reflected in their transfer patterns. I still find it odd though and plenty seem guilty of it on this site that a nationalist would pick Alliance over SDLP - wtf. Anyway the Alliance can't keep spoofing for much longer as they will need something of more substance on a border poll rather than just wishing it away.
Thought this was apt for Doug Beattie. https://twitter.com/Sir__Walsingham/status/1659661018249715712?t=k-yDhzHYLZAGbRA_zageOQ&s=19 (https://twitter.com/Sir__Walsingham/status/1659661018249715712?t=k-yDhzHYLZAGbRA_zageOQ&s=19)
This 42% nationalist vote needs to be compared with a local election in which there are independents etc and not an Assembly election with few nationalist independents.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 21, 2023, 12:18:49 AM
Agus sin é. One day people will look back on today in history books and say that was a momentous day. It's a local election but the worm has turned. We are moving down an irreversible pathway. We don't know the time frame, we can guess, but there is only 1 conclusion.
+200%
As Bob Dylan said - 'The times they are a changing' ... only one irreversible direction of travel for the citizens of this island ... bring it on for the greater good of all!
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on May 21, 2023, 12:41:15 AM
Nationalist vote share around 42 %. It hasn't really changed in 25 yrs something Ellis O Hanlon had great pleasure in pointing out. What the bitter cretin didn't point out was that the Unionist vote over 25yrs has dropped by nearly 20% to 38%. It's also fair to say that the Alliance party is now a lot more 'green' as reflected in their transfer patterns. I still find it odd though and plenty seem guilty of it on this site that a nationalist would pick Alliance over SDLP - wtf. Anyway the Alliance can't keep spoofing for much longer as they will need something of more substance on a border poll rather than just wishing it away.
O'Hanlon is a disgrace to the ancient Irish clan name. Incredible amount of hate from her.
RDE is quiet these days. Is she sick?
Why does Alliance HAVE TO decide to be Orange or Green?
Surely their whole point and reason for existence is that they're neither.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 21, 2023, 10:18:41 AM
Why does Alliance HAVE TO decide to be Orange or Green?
Surely their whole point and reason for existence is that they're neither.
Its not green or orange but they have to have a position on a constitutional question, thats coming. With Unionism shrinking then the conditions of a border poll are surly met.
Stephen Farry has also recently said recently that AP position would be a pro EU one and whatever is the easiest way to get NI back into EU is one they would support
So thats either UI or hope labour party seek reversing Brexit
Quote from: Under Lights on May 21, 2023, 10:24:11 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 21, 2023, 10:18:41 AM
Why does Alliance HAVE TO decide to be Orange or Green?
Surely their whole point and reason for existence is that they're neither.
Its not green or orange but they have to have a position on a constitutional question, thats coming. With Unionism shrinking then the conditions of a border poll are surly met.
Stephen Farry has also recently said recently that AP position would be a pro EU one and whatever is the easiest way to get NI back into EU is one they would support
So thats either UI or hope labour party seek reversing Brexit
Its mad that to hard line unionists the alliance are a nationalist party because they align more with SF than they do with DUP ideologies. And to hard line nationalists they are a unionist party since they are pro status quo
Quote from: Rossfan on May 21, 2023, 10:18:41 AM
Why does Alliance HAVE TO decide to be Orange or Green?
Surely their whole point and reason for existence is that they're neither.
They don't have to but if in the event of a border poll they would need to chose a United Ireland or Union.. They could say we will leave it up to individual members to vote / canvas for what they want but then that causes a split in the party.
There'll be a split in the party either way if/when a border poll happens because if Party chose either side then members might get the hump and defect
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 21, 2023, 10:35:40 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 21, 2023, 10:18:41 AM
Why does Alliance HAVE TO decide to be Orange or Green?
Surely their whole point and reason for existence is that they're neither.
They don't have to but if in the event of a border poll they would need to chose a United Ireland or Union.. They could say we will leave it up to individual members to vote / canvas for what they want but then that causes a split in the party.
There'll be a split in the party either way if/when a border poll happens because if Party chose either side then members might get the hump and defect
It's called democracy. I don't know what Alliance would do but I presume they'd have a think tank producing balanced research on everyday issues. They would then provide space for their members and voters to make their own decision during the campaign debate. Most political parties don't have a specific directive on how to vote during referendum's.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 21, 2023, 10:18:41 AM
Why does Alliance HAVE TO decide to be Orange or Green?
Surely their whole point and reason for existence is that they're neither.
They can"t sit on the fence forever.
Some day soon they'll have to make a decision.
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 21, 2023, 10:35:40 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 21, 2023, 10:18:41 AM
Why does Alliance HAVE TO decide to be Orange or Green?
Surely their whole point and reason for existence is that they're neither.
They don't have to but if in the event of a border poll they would need to chose a United Ireland or Union.. They could say we will leave it up to individual members to vote / canvas for what they want but then that causes a split in the party.
There'll be a split in the party either way if/when a border poll happens because if Party chose either side then members might get the hump and defect
Alliance have made impressive gains , and are a soft choice for those that aren't wedded to the constitutional debate. Their success is an indication that in peace , the middle ground has strengthened.
Ironically they are a bigger threat to a United ireland than the entire unionist bloc. SDLP appear to have increasingly become less green. Many of Their greener voters are clearly moving to SF, as many of their softer voters are now choosing Alliance. Incredibly imho, many Soft "nationalists" are now voting Alliance, thereby holding back the potential demographic surge in the nationalist vote. Alliance are likeable , like most middle grounders , but in supporting the status quo, they remain effectively a unionist party , and are the biggest barrier to a United Ireland. Soft "nationalists " voting for Alliance, may as well be voting for the DUP, as unless they vote nationalist, a border poll will remain as far away as ever .
There are 2 "Border poll" scenarios
1 a test the water type where Alliance advuse their members and supporters to vote as they see fit.
2 where there's an agreed plan/outline of the "New Ireland" (agreed by all except political unionism of course), where Alliance would have had input into it.
In that scenario they'd likely advise to vote for.
Quote from: Orior on May 21, 2023, 05:46:56 AM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on May 21, 2023, 12:41:15 AM
Nationalist vote share around 42 %. It hasn't really changed in 25 yrs something Ellis O Hanlon had great pleasure in pointing out. What the bitter cretin didn't point out was that the Unionist vote over 25yrs has dropped by nearly 20% to 38%. It's also fair to say that the Alliance party is now a lot more 'green' as reflected in their transfer patterns. I still find it odd though and plenty seem guilty of it on this site that a nationalist would pick Alliance over SDLP - wtf. Anyway the Alliance can't keep spoofing for much longer as they will need something of more substance on a border poll rather than just wishing it away.
O'Hanlon is a disgrace to the ancient Irish clan name. Incredible amount of hate from her.
RDE is quiet these days. Is she sick?
She's always been sick.
Quote from: marty34 on May 21, 2023, 10:54:44 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 21, 2023, 10:18:41 AM
Why does Alliance HAVE TO decide to be Orange or Green?
Surely their whole point and reason for existence is that they're neither.
They can"t sit on the fence forever.
Some day soon they'll have to make a decision.
Unless the economy in the North is restructured to focus on the people the idea of a United Ireland is a delusion. The poorer the North is, the more likely the status quo continues.
Quote from: seafoid on May 21, 2023, 11:28:07 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 21, 2023, 10:54:44 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 21, 2023, 10:18:41 AM
Why does Alliance HAVE TO decide to be Orange or Green?
Surely their whole point and reason for existence is that they're neither.
They can"t sit on the fence forever.
Some day soon they'll have to make a decision.
Unless the economy in the North is restructured to focus on the people the idea of a United Ireland is a delusion. The poorer the North is, the more likely the status quo continues.
The number of families using food banks has more than doubled in the last year.
Using food banks in Ireland
According to a survey conducted on behalf of Barnardos, 10 per cent of parents has used a food bank by November 2022.
The land of milk and honey ;D
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 21, 2023, 12:18:49 AM
Agus sin é. One day people will look back on today in history books and say that was a momentous day. It's a local election but the worm has turned. We are moving down an irreversible pathway. We don't know the time frame, we can guess, but there is only 1 conclusion.
Elections are nothing but a head count and are a general reflection of what has been reflected in recent census. Catholics outnumbering Protestants which inevitably was going to happen. People will no doubt revel in this and no doubt as SF get more control over councils they will focus their energies on key things to them such as road signs being in the Irish Language etc. Meanwhile Catholic or Protestant this is what is happening in the real world:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-64746967
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-65535242
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-65605288
When the likes of the above come out in the press the politicians go very quiet. At the end of the day there is no green white and gold or red white and blue angle so no point saying.
Regardless of me or a relative is sick and cant get an appointment we can all console ourselves that SF have now more MPs, MLAs and Councillors than DUP and that them and all their hangers on are well covered with nice wee jobs with no real accountability.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 21, 2023, 10:18:41 AM
Why does Alliance HAVE TO decide to be Orange or Green?
Surely their whole point and reason for existence is that they're neither.
They don't have to now. But they can't sit on the fence forever. They've said as much themselves. A point I made here before:
Quote from: Snapchap on May 04, 2022, 10:19:08 AM
Yiz must be joking. A border poll, when it happens, will be the most seismic political event of our lifetimes. Nobody will be able to escape partaking in the debate once the referendum is called - least of all a political party. I don't think it's credible to think that a party will willingly sideline itself from involvement in the hottest political event in it's existence. If it is foolish enough to try sitting on the fence then it will be lambasted from every side, not just from one. In Britain, Labour tried to ride two horses at once with the Brexit referendum and made an embarrassment of themselves. For now, Alliance can sit on the fence today and insist that they are not concerned with hypothetical constitutional arrangements when the health/cost of living crises etc are what people want dealt with; which is well and good, but once a border poll is called then that excuse goes out the window. A referendum campaign when it happens, will be all people will be talking about and in such a climate, Alliance will be unable to pretend otherwise. Naomi Long already stated before at Féile and Phobail that in the event of a border poll, the party will campaign. She just wouldn't be drawn on what side they will campaign on.
EDIT
She's also said on twitter a number of times, that Alliance will take a side in the event of a referendum:
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074)
Yiz must be joking. A border poll, when it happens, will be the most seismic political event of our lifetimes. Nobody will be able to escape partaking in the debate once the referendum is called - least of all a political party. I don't think it's credible to think that a party will willingly sideline itself from involvement in the hottest political event in it's existence. If it is foolish enough to try sitting on the fence then it will be lambasted from every side, not just from one. In Britain, Labour tried to ride two horses at once with the Brexit referendum and made an embarrassment of themselves. For now, Alliance can sit on the fence today and insist that they are not concerned with hypothetical constitutional arrangements when the health/cost of living crises etc are what people want dealt with; which is well and good, but once a border poll is called then that excuse goes out the window. A referendum campaign when it happens, will be all people will be talking about and in such a climate, Alliance will be unable to pretend otherwise. Naomi Long already stated before at Féile and Phobail that in the event of a border poll, the party will campaign. She just wouldn't be drawn on what side they will campaign on.
EDIT
She's also said on twitter a number of times, that Alliance will take a side in the event of a referendum:
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074)
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Has anyone checked on trailer?
Quote from: Snapchap on May 21, 2023, 12:20:23 PM
Has anyone checked on trailer?
He's busy collecting all the SF posters for the Bonefire in July ;D ;D
Quote from: seafoid on May 21, 2023, 11:28:07 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 21, 2023, 10:54:44 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 21, 2023, 10:18:41 AM
Why does Alliance HAVE TO decide to be Orange or Green?
Surely their whole point and reason for existence is that they're neither.
They can"t sit on the fence forever.
Some day soon they'll have to make a decision.
Unless the economy in the North is restructured to focus on the people the idea of a United Ireland is a delusion. The poorer the North is, the more likely the status quo continues.
the status quo is the only game in town for the vast majority of the north
change would require risk, they will never leave that comfortable space
a vote for sf is not a vote for reunification, far from it
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on May 21, 2023, 12:36:10 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 21, 2023, 11:28:07 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 21, 2023, 10:54:44 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 21, 2023, 10:18:41 AM
Why does Alliance HAVE TO decide to be Orange or Green?
Surely their whole point and reason for existence is that they're neither.
They can"t sit on the fence forever.
Some day soon they'll have to make a decision.
Unless the economy in the North is restructured to focus on the people the idea of a United Ireland is a delusion. The poorer the North is, the more likely the status quo continues.
the status quo is the only game in town for the vast majority of the north
change would require risk, they will never leave that comfortable space
a vote for sf is not a vote for reunification, far from it
Comfortable place of being poor? You must be mad, once the dole merchants find out how much you can get on the dole in the south they'll be all over it
Comfortable space? Northern Ireland is a mess. Operation needed sir certainly we wil pencil you in for an appt sometime around 2035. The economic and quality of life argument being over whelming pro -uk are long gone.
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on May 21, 2023, 12:36:10 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 21, 2023, 11:28:07 AM
Quote from: marty34 on May 21, 2023, 10:54:44 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 21, 2023, 10:18:41 AM
Why does Alliance HAVE TO decide to be Orange or Green?
Surely their whole point and reason for existence is that they're neither.
They can"t sit on the fence forever.
Some day soon they'll have to make a decision.
Unless the economy in the North is restructured to focus on the people the idea of a United Ireland is a delusion. The poorer the North is, the more likely the status quo continues.
the status quo is the only game in town for the vast majority of the north
change would require risk, they will never leave that comfortable space
a vote for sf is not a vote for reunification, far from it
Change is a risk but not doing anything is riskier
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/03/04/unionists-prefer-grim-past-to-future-and-flags-to-good-fortune/
The most deprived 20 per cent of households in Northern Ireland are so deprived that their babies born today can expect a "healthy life" for only 53 years. The corresponding figure for Sierra Leona is 52.9.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/03/04/unionists-prefer-grim-past-to-future-and-flags-to-good-fortune/
On average, people in Northern Ireland are a lot less healthy than their southern cousins. The average person in the Republic can expect to live a healthy life for almost a full decade longer than people in the North. The figure for the North is 61 years and the corresponding one for the Republic is 69.4 years.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/03/04/unionists-prefer-grim-past-to-future-and-flags-to-good-fortune/
. According to a study by the ESRI, young people between 25-34 were more likely to have high levels of educational attainment (college, university and other tertiary education) in the Republic (over 55 per cent) than they did in the North (40.7 per cent).
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2023/05/12/glaring-gaps-between-north-and-south-in-productivity-education-and-qualifications-says-esri/
There are glaring gaps between the Republic and Northern Ireland in productivity, education, qualifications and even life expectancy, research experts from the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI) have told an Oireachtas committee.
This is sad
https://irishtimes.com/politics/2023/05/20/northern-ireland-local-election-results-sinn-fein-dup/
There are a total of 60 seats up for grabs in Belfast, which is the North's largest functioning elected body
in the North (in the absence of Stormont).
Shinners out cutting grass verges of a Sunday morning that were blocking sight lines at a busy crossroads in Craigavon.
Quote from: general_lee on May 21, 2023, 05:15:42 PM
Shinners out cutting grass verges of a Sunday morning that were blocking sight lines at a busy crossroads in Craigavon.
On the Sabbath day. Heathens.
An unbelievable day for SF. The squeeze in Mid Ulster didn't materialise apart from McGuigan losing his seat in Clogher but they retained 2 anyway with Gildenernew and McConnell. McElvouge did take a seat for the Ind Republicans. SDLP lost McAleer.
In Cookstown SF had prob 4.5 quotas and only ran 3. They probably left a good few seats behind them.
They have an outright majority on the Fermanagh and Omagh council and I think close to majorities in a few others.
There is no appetite for the SDLP. Some great councillors including a good friend lost their seats. Nats are happy to throw their lot in with SF. The politics probably doesn't come into it. Nor does SF history. Nats have forgiven and moved on. That's democracy. The hope for the SDLP is that SF actually go off and govern North and South and people can judge if they like their decisions or not. Problem could be (in the north anyway) is that SDLP probably won't be around for people to come back to.
With every election more SDLP cands lose their seats. So the pool is ever smaller and calling for Eastwood's head is pointless. Claire Hanna will lose her seat next time as SF won't stand aside (nor should they in my view) and they don't the SDLP to stand aside for JF in North Belfast. Whoever comes in will be pushing water uphill.
Some cands deserve to lose their seats. They put no effort in, but a good few who are visible out on the ground working hard lost their seats as well. So it's hard to know. The membership is definitely depressed.
Unfortunately the DUP will see this as a vindication of their Stormont stance and that means we are no further forward. Chat that the DUP will come back in the Autumn could be misplaced. They'll see no reason unless they can secure a victory on the protocol which is unlikely.
The abortion question is a non-issue in NI. Anotu were well beaten across the North (would they have got 5000 votes in total?) and SF who are pro abortion increased their vote. So that is that settled once and for all.
But congratulations to SF on a brilliant result. That's democracy and the people have spoken.
Has someone hacked into trailers account?
Clare Hannah would probably still get enough votes in a Westminster election. She was 16000 ahead so even taking out a big chunk for SF should still be ok. The Alliance candidate Bradshaw ain't great and she would probably be the biggest threat. I can't see DUP improving in that constituency.
I see every excuse under the sun is being used to explain the results. Differential turnout seems to be the latest. It's nonsense this has been coming and coming for a while the greening of the middle ground has kind of hidden the demographic shift over the last 10 yrs. Unionism still can't accept it and are hoping for all the Alliance Unionists and non voting unionists to save the day at a referendum. The big problem being they don't actually exist in any number.
One of the stand out statistics from the election: of the 60 councillors elected to Belfast City Council, only 17 are unionist.
The demographic changes are beginning to show more and more with every election that comes along. Those demographic changes are only becoming more pronounced. According to LicidTalk, the only age category that the DUP outpolled SF, was in the over 55 bracket. As Sam McBride put it, "more of the voters who die are unionist, and more of the voters who join the electoral register are nationalist", and demographics would suggest that this is a trend that is only accelerating.
Thirty years ago unionism held 52% of council seats. Today they hold 40% and find themselves in a landscape where at least as many council seats (possibly more if we look into the breakdown of independents) are pro unity than anti-unity. Given the accelerating changes in the demographics, what will these figures look like in another 30 years? Bear in mind too that SF appear to be broadening their appeal beyond the traditional nationalist pool of voters. While half of SFs new seat gains did come from the SDLP, the other half came from all quarters - nine from unionist parties, three from Alliance and Greens.
I wouldn't go call for a border poll to happen tomorrow, but the case for one being held in the next 10-20 years is now absolutely undeniable. The onus is now on the Irish government to finally get off their a*ses and lay some groundwork. The days of FF and FG ministers dismissing any mention of border polls or Irish unity are over. They can't deny the new political reality indefinitely.
Current demographics shouldn't even be the biggest factor in calling for a unity referendum, the Current UK / Brexit shitshow should be played for all it is worth.
Also, as I've said umpteen times on here before I'm still not convinced ROI voters would even want or endorse a United Ireland in the privacy of a polling booth.
Don't need them all, just a majority
The conditions for a Unity Ref are nowhere near being met.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 22, 2023, 01:58:32 PM
Current demographics shouldn't even be the biggest factor in calling for a unity referendum, the Current UK / Brexit shitshow should be played for all it is worth.
Also, as I've said umpteen times on here before I'm still not convinced ROI voters would even want or endorse a United Ireland in the privacy of a polling booth.
This. The UK is a basket case. The sooner we get away from it the better. There's the brexit shitshow and I honestly don't think it is widely understood how big a mess the NHS is in. I don't it as recoverable and the delays in diagnosis's, the aftercare for older people etc are probably going to hit us all in years to come.
There's no money for anything they say. Well where did it go? That's uk wide then you have the dup who seem intent on doing nationalists work for them by showing stormont can't work.
Ironic thing is that SF left a few seats behind them by not standing 2 candiates or another candiate in areas. Plus SF transfers got the SDLP over the line in certain areas.
Funny the unionist parties are complaining about too many unionist parties but on the nationalist side, there's SF, SDLP, Aontú and PBP etc. so just as many on the nationalist side.
Will that be the end of Aontú? Can't see them getting much traction in the south in the next election. They, like the TUV, seem a one man show i.e. Toibin.
Glad to see Billy Hutchison not making it. Great news.
Unionism vote is getting smaller and smaller in every election. The amount of green in some of the maps re: council elections is unreal. Plus with Belfast now a green city, demographics are moving very quickly.
Love to see Danny Kennedy spouting pure waffle about Newry and Armagh. What a complete clown.
Quote from: trailer on May 22, 2023, 02:23:34 PM
The conditions for a Unity Ref are nowhere near being met.
Well no criteria has ever been laid out. The only thing we do know is that the SoS has to have reason to believe that the pro-unity vote would out number the anti-unity vote, and it takes some bit of ostrich manoeuvring to deny the significance but only of last weeks results, but the wider electoral and demographic trends.
50 years ago, nationalism held 18% of council council seats, now it's 40% (and could have been north of that figure, had SF run more candidates). By contrast, it's only 9 years since unionism held 51% of council seats, and today that figure has dropped to 40%. An 11% drop in the Unionist vote in just nine years. Given that demographic trends clearly indicate a string likelihood that the electoral lead nationalism now has over unionism is likely to not only continue, but to widen at an accelerated pace, then what will those %s be in a further 9 years? Then try thinking about how they'll look in 20 years. Claiming we aren't moving significantly closer to a border poll isn't grounded in any sort of solid argument.
The other factor is Alliance voters are transferring Nationalist at far higher levels. In Assembly 50% went Nat, only 10% Unionist. There's some Unionists (while ironically lambasting the Alliance for being SF's little helpers) that still like to think Alliance is a pro-Union/status quo vote. The pols maybe, but not necessarily their voters. So if nationalist votes are exceeding unionist, and more of that middle ground leans nationalist, in addition to the obvious demographic trends, then it stands to reason that a border poll should be called around 2028-2030. The 26 will easily pass, and some legal experts have said a poll is not required in ROI. It certainly is not referred to in GFA, but is referred/alluded to in updated Irish constitution. Should not be required IMO - the spirit of the current constitution is for everyone born on the island to be part of the Irish nation.
You can't have a ref based on one council election however throw in the census and a couple more elections showing nationalism infront then it's going to be hard to argue against. Fully expect unionism to cling onto the next toilet paper nilt survey as gospel and that everything is fine. Fully expect a Joe blogs character (pushed by SF) to take things through the courts if the SoS starts trying to block a ref with no reason.
Seen a graph there SF got 44% of the first pref vote and dup got 20? Would that be accurate? Madness
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 22, 2023, 04:22:07 PM
Seen a graph there SF got 44% of the first pref vote and dup got 20? Would that be accurate? Madness
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2023/northern-ireland/results
Quote from: marty34 on May 22, 2023, 03:01:29 PM
Ironic thing is that SF left a few seats behind them by not standing 2 candiates or another candiate in areas. Plus SF transfers got the SDLP over the line in certain areas.
Funny the unionist parties are complaining about too many unionist parties but on the nationalist side, there's SF, SDLP, Aontú and PBP etc. so just as many on the nationalist side.
Will that be the end of Aontú? Can't see them getting much traction in the south in the next election. They, like the TUV, seem a one man show i.e. Toibin.
Glad to see Billy Hutchison not making it. Great news.
Unionism vote is getting smaller and smaller in every election. The amount of green in some of the maps re: council elections is unreal. Plus with Belfast now a green city, demographics are moving very quickly.
Love to see Danny Kennedy spouting pure waffle about Newry and Armagh. What a complete clown.
I'd say they will probably be gone after the next election in the south. I was very surprised though that the lad Doyle lost his seat in Derry as he seemed to do a lot of work on the ground by all accounts.
Ards and ND have gotten rid of their TUV councillor Alliance gain 2, so must have been the TUV lad and a Green who lost out, but the strangest thing is that the SDLP vote, Wee Noel and the shinners vote share went up, 0.5 for the SDLP and 1.2 for the Shinners..
TUV vote share also went up but failed to get their bigot over the line, so not transfer friendly evidently.
I'd be interested in knowing were these extra votes came from, is there information out there as to what wards this could have happened?
Meanwhile in the real world:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-65671975
The silence of local politicians is deafening......
I think a likely scenario is this. There will be some eventual level of appeasement to allow Stormont to re-establish itself. We will see out this parliament and then there will be a GE next year at some point and that might be very telling in terms of overall 'green' votes. As things stand there's a slight green advantage given that Farry is non aligned with Alliance. 1 more MP for SF or SDLP would be massive. Hard but not impossible.
We will then have a Stormont election and if the current trend continues then you can only see things moving 1 way. Then there will be a council election in 2027, with likely similar trajectory to the current one. In between times there will also be an ROI GE. Hard to know what might happen in it as project fear is in full blow but you'd still expect SF to top the polls.
So by 2027 you are likely to have a green dominance, or at least equivalence in the Commons, Stormont, local councils and Dublin. We then have census in 2030/31. This could be seismic. If the current trajectory continues I would suspect a clear majority identifying as nationalist/republican. Will it be enough to trigger a poll, who knows but if it continues as things have done I would suspect we will have moves within 10 years for the poll. Any earlier would be too early but keep the conversation happening about how to plan for it.
Quote from: LC on May 22, 2023, 06:06:07 PM
Meanwhile in the real world:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-65671975
The silence of local politicians is deafening......
At least someone is saying it. The public sector is always disconnected from how they are funded.
The titanic wars in east Belfast was the lowest turn out, they'd people asking locals why you ain't voting, usual, lazy can't be bother nothing changes. One lady did say she always vote, she votes every year ;D... surprised the interviewer didn't ask where she votes every year.
The vote is so good because the prods will only vote when it matters. Stick a poll vote up and they'll be coming out of the nursing homes in their droves
You would think nurses didn't know that is was a famously underpaid profession when they signed up to be one. They are all the same with their loud mouth personalities when I was in hospital. Actually the thought of having to be around nurses makes me want to live a healthy lifestyle to avoid hospitals.
Quote from: DhoireTheas on May 22, 2023, 10:16:54 PM
You would think nurses didn't know that is was a famously underpaid profession when they signed up to be one. They are all the same with their loud mouth personalities when I was in hospital. Actually the thought of having to be around nurses makes me want to live a healthy lifestyle to avoid hospitals.
That's one way of staying healthy!
Peter shirow on view from stormont showing us all the Unionist view point. Now nationalism goes into a lead the goal posts are changed. Basically there will never be a border poll because nationalism will never reach 50.1 % because of the Alliance party. This is the big problem for the Alliance party because all the cranks will now come up with this thinking. No border poll unless nationalism hits the magic 50.1%. it doesn't matter if they are on 49% and Unionism on 30% it won't be enough as all alliance voters are not nationalist so therefore defacto unionist (this from a supposed academic :o). How very democratic lol. All the cranks on Nolan one moment calling Alliance SF cheerleaders but then in the same sentence saying Alliance only do well in good unionist areas so must be all Unionists ffs. Nolan happy not to challenge any of it, no chance of mentioning the overwhelming majority of alliance transfers to nationalist parties. Peter Shirliow is a major problem because his rubbish polls and surveys he produces seem to carry more clout with the government than actual election results. You couldn't make it up. Nationalism needs to be prepared for all the desperate nonsense that will spouted and used to block Amy movement towards a referendum
The DUP moaning about the 3 unionist parties causing vote shredding and affecting the results is also bizarre. Unionism actually did BETTER than Nationalism in the election in terms of seats from votes. None of the pundits though seen to point any of this out. It's crazy anyway let them sleep walk into their next blunder of unionist unity and watch their numbers crash further
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on May 23, 2023, 12:53:18 AM
Peter shirow on view from stormont showing us all the Unionist view point. Now nationalism goes into a lead the goal posts are changed. Basically there will never be a border poll because nationalism will never reach 50.1 % because of the Alliance party. This is the big problem for the Alliance party because all the cranks will now come up with this thinking. No border poll unless nationalism hits the magic 50.1%. it doesn't matter if they are on 49% and Unionism on 30% it won't be enough as all alliance voters are not nationalist so therefore defacto unionist (this from a supposed academic :o). How very democratic lol. All the cranks on Nolan one moment calling Alliance SF cheerleaders but then in the same sentence saying Alliance only do well in good unionist areas so must be all Unionists ffs. Nolan happy not to challenge any of it, no chance of mentioning the overwhelming majority of alliance transfers to nationalist parties. Peter Shirliow is a major problem because his rubbish polls and surveys he produces seem to carry more clout with the government than actual election results. You couldn't make it up. Nationalism needs to be prepared for all the desperate nonsense that will spouted and used to block Amy movement towards a referendum
The DUP moaning about the 3 unionist parties causing vote shredding and affecting the results is also bizarre. Unionism actually did BETTER than Nationalism in the election in terms of seats from votes. None of the pundits though seen to point any of this out. It's crazy anyway let them sleep walk into their next blunder of unionist unity and watch their numbers crash further
The idea of STV is that you can't split the vote, yet everyone between presenters and commentators allowed this nonsense to be spouted unchallenged. Even Carruthers who's the best IV'er by a country mile.
Unionist unity or a single Unionist party is not credible. Firstly there is no home for the gay Unionist with the likes of Poots or Buckley. There is a religious conservative unionism (anti abortion, gay marriage, Sunday working), there is a liberal unionism (pro abortion, pro gay marriage), there is a conservative yet liberal unionism (anti abortion, pro gay marriage). Just on social issues they are so divided in a way that Nats isn't. Even the idea that the DUP and UUP fold to form a new party would be very difficult. Cushy party jobs given up. Some sort of loose, bullshit unionist pact that they abandon when the going gets sticky is the most likely outcome.
Quote from: DhoireTheas on May 22, 2023, 10:16:54 PM
You would think nurses didn't know that is was a famously underpaid profession when they signed up to be one. They are all the same with their loud mouth personalities when I was in hospital. Actually the thought of having to be around nurses makes me want to live a healthy lifestyle to avoid hospitals.
What a horrible comment. It is not fair to tar them all with the one brush. It is like any profession these days
Surely the only 2 unionist parties that could merge would be the DUP and TUV. If the UUP were to join that would split the parties ideologies with the UUP being more inclusive than the likes of DUP and TUV. This would just move the more moderate and small Unionists over to Alliance and weaken the pro unionism parties even further
Quote from: Nanderson on May 23, 2023, 10:26:14 AM
Surely the only 2 unionist parties that could merge would be the DUP and TUV. If the UUP were to join that would split the parties ideologies with the UUP being more inclusive than the likes of DUP and TUV. This would just move the more moderate and small Unionists over to Alliance and weaken the pro unionism parties even further
Exactly. This is as obvious as the sun in the sky. The sort of extremist TUV/DUP party that Donaldson wants would be unpalatable to a substantial proportion of UU people who would either stay at home or vote for Alliance. Such a party would certainly not attract back those voters who defected to Alliance.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 23, 2023, 10:58:28 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 23, 2023, 10:26:14 AM
Surely the only 2 unionist parties that could merge would be the DUP and TUV. If the UUP were to join that would split the parties ideologies with the UUP being more inclusive than the likes of DUP and TUV. This would just move the more moderate and small Unionists over to Alliance and weaken the pro unionism parties even further
Exactly. This is as obvious as the sun in the sky. The sort of extremist TUV/DUP party that Donaldson wants would be unpalatable to a substantial proportion of UU people who would either stay at home or vote for Alliance. Such a party would certainly not attract back those voters who defected to Alliance.
It's a very similistic argument from a very simple thinker. Unionism is a broad church ranging from the fundamentalist bible thumpers, loyalists in hard up areas, to the liberal middle classes. How could there ever by unionist unity there.
Quote from: Armamike on May 23, 2023, 11:20:41 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 23, 2023, 10:58:28 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 23, 2023, 10:26:14 AM
Surely the only 2 unionist parties that could merge would be the DUP and TUV. If the UUP were to join that would split the parties ideologies with the UUP being more inclusive than the likes of DUP and TUV. This would just move the more moderate and small Unionists over to Alliance and weaken the pro unionism parties even further
Exactly. This is as obvious as the sun in the sky. The sort of extremist TUV/DUP party that Donaldson wants would be unpalatable to a substantial proportion of UU people who would either stay at home or vote for Alliance. Such a party would certainly not attract back those voters who defected to Alliance.
It's a very similistic argument from a very simple thinker. Unionism is a broad church ranging from the fundamentalist bible thumpers, loyalists in hard up areas, to the liberal middle classes. How could there ever by unionist unity there.
What Jeffrey means by unionist unity is for everyone to follow the DUP, he isn't thinking about ceeding ground to the perceived more tolerant UUP.
Yes. But the various factions will not join under the one umbrella, unless there is a real (rather than inflated) threat to the union. The hard liners might buy the scaremongering but the moderates won't.
Quote from: Armamike on May 23, 2023, 11:56:58 AM
Yes. But the various factions will not join under the one umbrella, unless there is a real (rather than inflated) threat to the union. The hard liners might buy the scaremongering but the moderates won't.
Totally and it is never challenged. It's about everyone just voting for the DUP and making them bigger.
Quote from: samuel maguire on May 23, 2023, 10:03:48 AM
Quote from: DhoireTheas on May 22, 2023, 10:16:54 PM
You would think nurses didn't know that is was a famously underpaid profession when they signed up to be one. They are all the same with their loud mouth personalities when I was in hospital. Actually the thought of having to be around nurses makes me want to live a healthy lifestyle to avoid hospitals.
What a horrible comment. It is not fair to tar them all with the one brush. It is like any profession these days
+1 very sad individual to write something like that.
Quote from: grounded on May 23, 2023, 01:20:34 PM
Quote from: samuel maguire on May 23, 2023, 10:03:48 AM
Quote from: DhoireTheas on May 22, 2023, 10:16:54 PM
You would think nurses didn't know that is was a famously underpaid profession when they signed up to be one. They are all the same with their loud mouth personalities when I was in hospital. Actually the thought of having to be around nurses makes me want to live a healthy lifestyle to avoid hospitals.
What a horrible comment. It is not fair to tar them all with the one brush. It is like any profession these days
+1 very sad individual to write something like that.
signed up two weeks ago, obvious troll.
Quote from: dec on May 23, 2023, 01:27:02 PM
Quote from: grounded on May 23, 2023, 01:20:34 PM
Quote from: samuel maguire on May 23, 2023, 10:03:48 AM
Quote from: DhoireTheas on May 22, 2023, 10:16:54 PM
You would think nurses didn't know that is was a famously underpaid profession when they signed up to be one. They are all the same with their loud mouth personalities when I was in hospital. Actually the thought of having to be around nurses makes me want to live a healthy lifestyle to avoid hospitals.
What a horrible comment. It is not fair to tar them all with the one brush. It is like any profession these days
+1 very sad individual to write something like that.
signed up two weeks ago, obvious troll.
I would put my money on it...
Quote from: johnnycool on May 23, 2023, 11:33:27 AM
Quote from: Armamike on May 23, 2023, 11:20:41 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 23, 2023, 10:58:28 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 23, 2023, 10:26:14 AM
Surely the only 2 unionist parties that could merge would be the DUP and TUV. If the UUP were to join that would split the parties ideologies with the UUP being more inclusive than the likes of DUP and TUV. This would just move the more moderate and small Unionists over to Alliance and weaken the pro unionism parties even further
Exactly. This is as obvious as the sun in the sky. The sort of extremist TUV/DUP party that Donaldson wants would be unpalatable to a substantial proportion of UU people who would either stay at home or vote for Alliance. Such a party would certainly not attract back those voters who defected to Alliance.
It's a very similistic argument from a very simple thinker. Unionism is a broad church ranging from the fundamentalist bible thumpers, loyalists in hard up areas, to the liberal middle classes. How could there ever by unionist unity there.
What Jeffrey means by unionist unity is for everyone to follow the DUP, he isn't thinking about ceeding ground to the perceived more tolerant UUP.
After every election, when they are not top dog, they come out with unionist unity and don't be shredding the vote etc.
It's all about if you don't vote the DUP, you are letting nationalists take seats but guaranteed they'll not step aside.
The thing to remember is it's the same on the nationalist side with the SDLP, Aontú and PBP.
Quote from: dec on May 23, 2023, 01:27:02 PM
Quote from: grounded on May 23, 2023, 01:20:34 PM
Quote from: samuel maguire on May 23, 2023, 10:03:48 AM
Quote from: DhoireTheas on May 22, 2023, 10:16:54 PM
You would think nurses didn't know that is was a famously underpaid profession when they signed up to be one. They are all the same with their loud mouth personalities when I was in hospital. Actually the thought of having to be around nurses makes me want to live a healthy lifestyle to avoid hospitals.
What a horrible comment. It is not fair to tar them all with the one brush. It is like any profession these days
+1 very sad individual to write something like that.
signed up two weeks ago, obvious troll.
Absolutely. I'm surprised folks even bothered to respond
Below is a section from Brian Feeney's column in today's Irish News re the border poll issue. As I said in this thread a few days ago, demographic changes have brought about the reality of a nationalist electoral majority and it's universally understood and accepted that this demographic shift is not just set to continue, but to actually accelerate. That acceleration means a border poll in the short to medium term is an inevitability. Therefor, for the Irish Government to continue to refuse to make preparations for such a poll is an absolute abdication of responsibility.
"The direction of travel is clear to all but the DUP. Demographic change is accelerating, as the elections of 2022 and last week proves. Unionism is on a down escalator...
What has to happen is that, first and foremost, the Irish Government must admit the impetus of the speed of the demographic and therefor electoral change and begin preparing for the inevitable referendum on self-determination as laid out in the Good Friday Agreement....
As it is, unionism has a dwindling majority in parts of two counties and in East Belfast. Change is approaching fast. Therefor it is irresponsible of the Irish Government not to put in place procedures for establishing what will be on offer to people, north and south, in a united Ireland. That has to be an all-party offer. A united Ireland doesn't belong to one party, so what's the process for preparing for what's coming?"
Quote from: Snapchap on May 24, 2023, 01:44:31 PM
Below is a section from Brian Feeney's column in today's Irish News re the border poll issue. As I said in this thread a few days ago, demographic changes have brought about the reality of a nationalist electoral majority and it's universally understood and accepted that this demographic shift is not just set to continue, but to actually accelerate. That acceleration means a border poll in the short to medium term is an inevitability. Therefor, for the Irish Government to continue to refuse to make preparations for such a poll is an absolute abdication of responsibility.
"The direction of travel is clear to all but the DUP. Demographic change is accelerating, as the elections of 2022 and last week proves. Unionism is on a down escalator...
What has to happen is that, first and foremost, the Irish Government must admit the impetus of the speed of the demographic and therefor electoral change and begin preparing for the inevitable referendum on self-determination as laid out in the Good Friday Agreement....
As it is, unionism has a dwindling majority in parts of two counties and in East Belfast. Change is approaching fast. Therefor it is irresponsible of the Irish Government not to put in place procedures for establishing what will be on offer to people, north and south, in a united Ireland. That has to be an all-party offer. A united Ireland doesn't belong to one party, so what's the process for preparing for what's coming?"
Chat already from Unionists that support for Alliance means Unionists + Alliance vote is an indication that people are happy with the status quo. I wouldn't imagine we have any Alliance voters on the board but by voting for them expect it to be spun as a vote for the union.
Have they not been claiming for years that a vote for a alliance is a vote for SF, now it's a vote for the Union!
Quote from: trailer on May 24, 2023, 02:15:03 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 24, 2023, 01:44:31 PM
Below is a section from Brian Feeney's column in today's Irish News re the border poll issue. As I said in this thread a few days ago, demographic changes have brought about the reality of a nationalist electoral majority and it's universally understood and accepted that this demographic shift is not just set to continue, but to actually accelerate. That acceleration means a border poll in the short to medium term is an inevitability. Therefor, for the Irish Government to continue to refuse to make preparations for such a poll is an absolute abdication of responsibility.
"The direction of travel is clear to all but the DUP. Demographic change is accelerating, as the elections of 2022 and last week proves. Unionism is on a down escalator...
What has to happen is that, first and foremost, the Irish Government must admit the impetus of the speed of the demographic and therefor electoral change and begin preparing for the inevitable referendum on self-determination as laid out in the Good Friday Agreement....
As it is, unionism has a dwindling majority in parts of two counties and in East Belfast. Change is approaching fast. Therefor it is irresponsible of the Irish Government not to put in place procedures for establishing what will be on offer to people, north and south, in a united Ireland. That has to be an all-party offer. A united Ireland doesn't belong to one party, so what's the process for preparing for what's coming?"
Chat already from Unionists that support for Alliance means Unionists + Alliance vote is an indication that people are happy with the status quo. I wouldn't imagine we have any Alliance voters on the board but by voting for them expect it to be spun as a vote for the union.
Even The Newsletter is carrying an Opinion piece that Alliance is not a Union vote:
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/sydney-elliott-alliance-vote-transfers-suggest-the-centre-is-moving-towards-nationalism-4145462
Quote from: trailer on May 24, 2023, 02:15:03 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 24, 2023, 01:44:31 PM
Below is a section from Brian Feeney's column in today's Irish News re the border poll issue. As I said in this thread a few days ago, demographic changes have brought about the reality of a nationalist electoral majority and it's universally understood and accepted that this demographic shift is not just set to continue, but to actually accelerate. That acceleration means a border poll in the short to medium term is an inevitability. Therefor, for the Irish Government to continue to refuse to make preparations for such a poll is an absolute abdication of responsibility.
"The direction of travel is clear to all but the DUP. Demographic change is accelerating, as the elections of 2022 and last week proves. Unionism is on a down escalator...
What has to happen is that, first and foremost, the Irish Government must admit the impetus of the speed of the demographic and therefor electoral change and begin preparing for the inevitable referendum on self-determination as laid out in the Good Friday Agreement....
As it is, unionism has a dwindling majority in parts of two counties and in East Belfast. Change is approaching fast. Therefor it is irresponsible of the Irish Government not to put in place procedures for establishing what will be on offer to people, north and south, in a united Ireland. That has to be an all-party offer. A united Ireland doesn't belong to one party, so what's the process for preparing for what's coming?"
Chat already from Unionists that support for Alliance means Unionists + Alliance vote is an indication that people are happy with the status quo. I wouldn't imagine we have any Alliance voters on the board but by voting for them expect it to be spun as a vote for the union.
I'd know plenty of nationalists who vote Alliance as the lesser of evils if you're only likely to get a varying hue of unionist on the ballot, more so at Assembly and GE elections.
SDLP and SF have no chance down here in those elections.
Quote from: weareros on May 24, 2023, 02:28:16 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 24, 2023, 02:15:03 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 24, 2023, 01:44:31 PM
Below is a section from Brian Feeney's column in today's Irish News re the border poll issue. As I said in this thread a few days ago, demographic changes have brought about the reality of a nationalist electoral majority and it's universally understood and accepted that this demographic shift is not just set to continue, but to actually accelerate. That acceleration means a border poll in the short to medium term is an inevitability. Therefor, for the Irish Government to continue to refuse to make preparations for such a poll is an absolute abdication of responsibility.
"The direction of travel is clear to all but the DUP. Demographic change is accelerating, as the elections of 2022 and last week proves. Unionism is on a down escalator...
What has to happen is that, first and foremost, the Irish Government must admit the impetus of the speed of the demographic and therefor electoral change and begin preparing for the inevitable referendum on self-determination as laid out in the Good Friday Agreement....
As it is, unionism has a dwindling majority in parts of two counties and in East Belfast. Change is approaching fast. Therefor it is irresponsible of the Irish Government not to put in place procedures for establishing what will be on offer to people, north and south, in a united Ireland. That has to be an all-party offer. A united Ireland doesn't belong to one party, so what's the process for preparing for what's coming?"
Chat already from Unionists that support for Alliance means Unionists + Alliance vote is an indication that people are happy with the status quo. I wouldn't imagine we have any Alliance voters on the board but by voting for them expect it to be spun as a vote for the union.
Even The Newsletter is carrying an Opinion piece that Alliance is not a Union vote:
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/sydney-elliott-alliance-vote-transfers-suggest-the-centre-is-moving-towards-nationalism-4145462
Newsletter saying an increased Alliance vote is coming from nationalism, while Brian Feeney in the above quoted column noted that "young, socially liberal, professional unionists, if they voted, voted alliance". As ever with Alliance/undecideds, it's not all that clear where they stand. As far as Alliance goes, the big thing that the last election has suggested is that this much talked about 'Alliance surge' may have hit it's ceiling. The party showed no real growth this time around, particularly outside of it's east of the Bann comfort zones -it remains something of a non-entity west of the Bann. It is not the political powerhouse that the media seem keen to portray it as. As of these results, it sits only 2.4% above the third place (UUP), but 10% behind second place (DUP).
Quote from: Snapchap on May 24, 2023, 02:48:06 PM
Newsletter saying an increased Alliance vote is coming from nationalism, while Brian Feeney in the above quoted column noted that "young, socially liberal, professional unionists, if they voted, voted alliance". As ever with Alliance/undecideds,
This is a bit odd. The Newsletter is saying that the Alliance vote comes from Nationalists, but still saying that Alliance voters would not vote for a border poll.
Brian Feeney is saying that the Alliance vote comes from unionists, but he might well say that Alliance voters would vote for a border poll.
These votes will mean shit when the shit hits the fan, Border poll will mean the unionist voters will actually come out, I'd say the every unionist would be out to keep the union
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 03:16:10 PM
These votes will mean shit when the shit hits the fan, Border poll will mean the unionist voters will actually come out, I'd say the every unionist would be out to keep the union
A lot of nationalists don't vote either - Also hardline republicans who go and spoil their vote each election.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 03:16:10 PM
These votes will mean shit when the shit hits the fan, Border poll will mean the unionist voters will actually come out, I'd say the every unionist would be out to keep the union
Is there ANY real evidence that these mythical hordes of non-voting Unionist Voters actually exist. Are they really going to appear on the day of the Unity Referendum to save the day for God & Ulster?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 03:16:10 PM
These votes will mean shit when the shit hits the fan, Border poll will mean the unionist voters will actually come out, I'd say the every unionist would be out to keep the union
Turnout will be huge across the board. The point is, there will be less unionist voters in existence because, as Sam McBride put it the other day, most voters who are dying are unionist and most voters joining the register are nationalist. That trend is beginning to manifest itself in recent elections and it's now accepted as a given that the gap between the size of the nationalist and unionist electorates is set to widen at an accelerated pace. That only leads to one eventuality.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 03:16:10 PM
These votes will mean shit when the shit hits the fan, Border poll will mean the unionist voters will actually come out, I'd say the every unionist would be out to keep the union
Not convinced on this to be honest. Every election gets labelled by Unionist politicians as a referendum on the Union and less and less Unionists bother to vote.
A third of Slieve Gullion didn't vote in this election. There are alot of Nationalists still to come out.
Well then, what are we waiting on? 2 Strong elections from nationalism/republicans
When crunch comes to crunch the unionists will come out, and be interesting to see how many in the likes of the Falls area vote for UI
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:01:12 PM
Well then, what are we waiting on? 2 Strong elections from nationalism/republicans
When crunch comes to crunch the unionists will come out, and be interesting to see how many in the likes of the Falls area vote for UI
Why wouldn't they?
Quote from: johnnycool on May 24, 2023, 04:02:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:01:12 PM
Well then, what are we waiting on? 2 Strong elections from nationalism/republicans
When crunch comes to crunch the unionists will come out, and be interesting to see how many in the likes of the Falls area vote for UI
Why wouldn't they?
keeping things as they are, free housing DLA and the other benefits that have been given to them, you could put a chart up showing how much they would get in the South but it may be a case, better the devil you know....
I just don't think its as cut and dried as a numbers game will show, i.e more taigs than prods
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:05:26 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 24, 2023, 04:02:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:01:12 PM
Well then, what are we waiting on? 2 Strong elections from nationalism/republicans
When crunch comes to crunch the unionists will come out, and be interesting to see how many in the likes of the Falls area vote for UI
Why wouldn't they?
keeping things as they are, free housing DLA and the other benefits that have been given to them, you could put a chart up showing how much they would get in the South but it may be a case, better the devil you know....
I just don't think its as cut and dried as a numbers game will show, i.e more taigs than prods
You say "keeping things as they are" like they're good.
They aren't.
Milltown doesn't seem to realise we've got Social Welfare in the 26.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 24, 2023, 04:26:29 PM
Milltown doesn't seem to realise we've got Social Welfare in the 26.
I'd say MR2 is happy with the status quo.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:01:12 PM
Well then, what are we waiting on? 2 Strong elections from nationalism/republicans
When crunch comes to crunch the unionists will come out, and be interesting to see how many in the likes of the Falls area vote for UI
What are we waiting on? Didn't my last post kinda deal with that? We're waiting on the accelarating demographic shift to take an even more dramatic effect, which it inevitably will.
And when it does, you can have whatever % unionist turnout you like. They will still be outnumbered by a significantly larger nationalist population.
Quote from: marty34 on May 24, 2023, 04:29:14 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 24, 2023, 04:26:29 PM
Milltown doesn't seem to realise we've got Social Welfare in the 26.
I'd say MR2 is happy with the status quo.
I'd be in a far better position if I were working in the south so if I was basing things financially then I would be mad not to, I've an Irish Passport and see myself as an Irish man, and wouldn't hesitate when voting for a return to a UI
You ain't trying to convince me, my post wasn't about me personally, its just some people don't like change, do you feel that every voter on the Falls would vote for UI? Were you confident that the Scots would get it 50+1?
Quote from: Snapchap on May 24, 2023, 05:35:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:01:12 PM
Well then, what are we waiting on? 2 Strong elections from nationalism/republicans
When crunch comes to crunch the unionists will come out, and be interesting to see how many in the likes of the Falls area vote for UI
What are we waiting on? Didn't my last post kinda deal with that? We're waiting on the accelarating demographic shift to take an even more dramatic effect, which it inevitably will.
And when it does, you can have whatever % unionist turnout you like. They will still be outnumbered by a significantly larger nationalist population.
If you look at the recent election, SF and SDLP are picking up seats in unionist areas. Demographics is changing everything very quickly.
Unfortunately, in response to that we can see the reactionary elements of unionisms targeting East Belfast GAA...once again.
Quote from: Snapchap on May 24, 2023, 01:44:31 PM
Below is a section from Brian Feeney's column in today's Irish News re the border poll issue. As I said in this thread a few days ago, demographic changes have brought about the reality of a nationalist electoral majority and it's universally understood and accepted that this demographic shift is not just set to continue, but to actually accelerate.
Where's the hard evidence for that?
Quote from: trileacman on May 24, 2023, 10:49:53 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 24, 2023, 01:44:31 PM
Below is a section from Brian Feeney's column in today's Irish News re the border poll issue. As I said in this thread a few days ago, demographic changes have brought about the reality of a nationalist electoral majority and it's universally understood and accepted that this demographic shift is not just set to continue, but to actually accelerate.
Where's the hard evidence for that?
We're out riding the Prods ;) more nationalist voters are joining the register and the unionist vote is aging/dying. Any poll you see shows support for the union is highests with the 65+ and support for a UI is highest amongst 18-30, clearly only going one way
Quote from: trileacman on May 24, 2023, 10:49:53 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 24, 2023, 01:44:31 PM
Below is a section from Brian Feeney's column in today's Irish News re the border poll issue. As I said in this thread a few days ago, demographic changes have brought about the reality of a nationalist electoral majority and it's universally understood and accepted that this demographic shift is not just set to continue, but to actually accelerate.
Where's the hard evidence for that?
Demographics is a slow process, but predictable as those entering the register in 2041 are being born this year. It is not going to "accelerate", it is going to continue at its present inexorable rate for another quarter century, it may then slow down by nats will be a majority then.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 24, 2023, 04:15:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:05:26 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 24, 2023, 04:02:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:01:12 PM
Well then, what are we waiting on? 2 Strong elections from nationalism/republicans
When crunch comes to crunch the unionists will come out, and be interesting to see how many in the likes of the Falls area vote for UI
Why wouldn't they?
keeping things as they are, free housing DLA and the other benefits that have been given to them, you could put a chart up showing how much they would get in the South but it may be a case, better the devil you know....
I just don't think its as cut and dried as a numbers game will show, i.e more taigs than prods
You say "keeping things as they are" like they're good.
They aren't.
The North is a mess but for a lot of people including on the green side of the house, they are not going to make a leap into the unknown. A border poll is something that has to succeed on the first go so a lot of planning has to go into it. 51% Taig is not enough.
Quote from: seafoid on May 25, 2023, 04:55:32 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 24, 2023, 04:15:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:05:26 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 24, 2023, 04:02:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:01:12 PM
Well then, what are we waiting on? 2 Strong elections from nationalism/republicans
When crunch comes to crunch the unionists will come out, and be interesting to see how many in the likes of the Falls area vote for UI
Why wouldn't they?
keeping things as they are, free housing DLA and the other benefits that have been given to them, you could put a chart up showing how much they would get in the South but it may be a case, better the devil you know....
I just don't think its as cut and dried as a numbers game will show, i.e more taigs than prods
You say "keeping things as they are" like they're good.
They aren't.
The North is a mess but for a lot of people including on the green side of the house, they are not going to make a leap into the unknown. A border poll is something that has to succeed on the first go so a lot of planning has to go into it. 51% Taig is not enough.
Unionism should probably let SF call for one asap as it would likely fail just at the minute, then they csn kick the can down the road for another generation. The way things are going though it won't be long until one would pass
Quote from: Rossfan on May 24, 2023, 04:26:29 PM
Milltown doesn't seem to realise we've got Social Welfare in the 26.
I think the angelus is going to be a hard sell in Ballymena.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS-71kaPfSo
One of the great weaknesses of the Irish nation is planning and the Northern branch seems to be just as bad as the rest.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 25, 2023, 05:25:14 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 25, 2023, 04:55:32 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 24, 2023, 04:15:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:05:26 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 24, 2023, 04:02:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:01:12 PM
Well then, what are we waiting on? 2 Strong elections from nationalism/republicans
When crunch comes to crunch the unionists will come out, and be interesting to see how many in the likes of the Falls area vote for UI
Why wouldn't they?
keeping things as they are, free housing DLA and the other benefits that have been given to them, you could put a chart up showing how much they would get in the South but it may be a case, better the devil you know....
I just don't think its as cut and dried as a numbers game will show, i.e more taigs than prods
You say "keeping things as they are" like they're good.
They aren't.
The North is a mess but for a lot of people including on the green side of the house, they are not going to make a leap into the unknown. A border poll is something that has to succeed on the first go so a lot of planning has to go into it. 51% Taig is not enough.
Unionism should probably let SF call for one asap as it would likely fail just at the minute, then they csn kick the can down the road for another generation. The way things are going though it won't be long until one would pass
I'd be surprised if a Unity ref got more than 40%. If it failed by that margin the next one could be 50 years away. Important to get the timing right.
The 2 Health Systems seem equal anyway
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/health/people-waiting-over-four-and-a-half-years-for-first-outpatient-appointment-in-ni/321269583.html
But at least Unionist patients can wrap a UJ around themselves and look at a video of Charlie Windsor's Coronation.
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2023/05/25/john-major-terms-for-uk-calling-border-poll-in-north-should-be-spelled-out/
Former UK prime minister Sir John Major said there is a case for asking the British government to set out the precise terms that would have to be met for it to call a Border poll in the North.
Speaking at the Irish embassy in Belgravia in London on Wednesday evening, he also said it would be "prudent" for the British and Irish governments to propose changes to the Belfast Agreement to prevent any one party in Northern Ireland from collapsing the Stormont Assembly.
Quote from: trailer on May 25, 2023, 08:48:47 AM
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Quote from: seafoid on May 25, 2023, 04:55:32 AM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:05:26 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 24, 2023, 04:02:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:01:12 PM
Well then, what are we waiting on? 2 Strong elections from nationalism/republicans
When crunch comes to crunch the unionists will come out, and be interesting to see how many in the likes of the Falls area vote for UI
Why wouldn't they?
keeping things as they are, free housing DLA and the other benefits that have been given to them, you could put a chart up showing how much they would get in the South but it may be a case, better the devil you know....
I just don't think its as cut and dried as a numbers game will show, i.e more taigs than prods
You say "keeping things as they are" like they're good.
They aren't.
The North is a mess but for a lot of people including on the green side of the house, they are not going to make a leap into the unknown. A border poll is something that has to succeed on the first go so a lot of planning has to go into it. 51% Taig is not enough.
Unionism should probably let SF call for one asap as it would likely fail just at the minute, then they csn kick the can down the road for another generation. The way things are going though it won't be long until one would pass
I'd be surprised if a Unity ref got more than 40%. If it failed by that margin the next one could be 50 years away. Important to get the timing right.
The thing I find most promising about the unity ref is its probably sitting at around high 30 to low 40 percent I favour. And that's without having any real discussion or dialogue with how exactly it would be funded and the likes of health services/government etc that is key to convincing the middle ground
SF are playing a blinder with the Border Poll. It's the same tactics that vote Leave used for Brexit. There is no definition, no costing, no comparison of advantages and disadvantages.
It's all about emotion and we want it now.
Quote from: seafoid on May 25, 2023, 11:44:41 AM
SF are playing a blinder with the Border Poll. It's the same tactics that vote Leave used for Brexit. There is no definition, no costing, no comparison of advantages and disadvantages.
It's all about emotion and we want it now.
No they aren't. In fact they're doing the exact opposite.
Quote from: Nanderson on May 25, 2023, 11:10:09 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 25, 2023, 08:48:47 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 25, 2023, 05:25:14 AM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:05:26 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 24, 2023, 04:02:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2023, 04:01:12 PM
Well then, what are we waiting on? 2 Strong elections from nationalism/republicans
When crunch comes to crunch the unionists will come out, and be interesting to see how many in the likes of the Falls area vote for UI
Why wouldn't they?
keeping things as they are, free housing DLA and the other benefits that have been given to them, you could put a chart up showing how much they would get in the South but it may be a case, better the devil you know....
I just don't think its as cut and dried as a numbers game will show, i.e more taigs than prods
You say "keeping things as they are" like they're good.
They aren't.
The North is a mess but for a lot of people including on the green side of the house, they are not going to make a leap into the unknown. A border poll is something that has to succeed on the first go so a lot of planning has to go into it. 51% Taig is not enough.
Unionism should probably let SF call for one asap as it would likely fail just at the minute, then they csn kick the can down the road for another generation. The way things are going though it won't be long until one would pass
I'd be surprised if a Unity ref got more than 40%. If it failed by that margin the next one could be 50 years away. Important to get the timing right.
The thing I find most promising about the unity ref is its probably sitting at around high 30 to low 40 percent I favour. And that's without having any real discussion or dialogue with how exactly it would be funded and the likes of health services/government etc that is key to convincing the middle ground
A bit like brexit, an UI can mean all things to all men. When plans, costs, symbols, status, etc are defined it will be easy to lose numbers from the edges.
E.g "I'm not voting for an Ireland inside the commonwealth" or "I'm not voting for an Ireland that changes the anthem and give Unionists a veto at Stormont"
40%. I think a lot of you guys are being pessimistic. The big unknown? What you mean like Brexit the shit show we are actually in with no plan, if anything a vote for UI will return us to more familiar ground. Unknown like what will replace the NHS? Well the the big known is the NHS isn't fit for purpose so why would you bust a gut trying to keep it. A lot of strange thinking going on. Sounds like a lot of us given the chance will be like the Scots and believe all the crap fear mongering unionism will throw at us, embarrassing. Remember the VOW before the Scots referendum from all the UK party leaders. How did that work out?ffs
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 25, 2023, 11:47:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 25, 2023, 11:44:41 AM
SF are playing a blinder with the Border Poll. It's the same tactics that vote Leave used for Brexit. There is no definition, no costing, no comparison of advantages and disadvantages.
It's all about emotion and we want it now.
No they aren't. In fact they're doing the exact opposite.
Emotion will get you so far, but it won't get a 50%+1 majority in NI at the minute.
The demographics may indeed be swinging in the right direction but not enough so the middle 15% (based on the LE votes for Alliance and the Greens) will need hard facts and figures and SF won't be able to swing these voters, it'll be a combination of a Civic forum and Irish Gov proposals as to what that UI will look like.
There's a bit of work to do yet.
41.5% voted for Nationalist or Nationalist leaning parties ( I haven't counted the independents)
38.1% voted for Unionist parties, no independents included either)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2023/northern-ireland/results (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2023/northern-ireland/results)
If unionists were sensible (I know), then they could embrace the WA and make the north very workable in terms of businesses and improving things and push the re-united thing down the line a bit.
But, alas, they don't get it and it's all about the flag.
Quote from: marty34 on May 25, 2023, 12:15:33 PM
If unionists were sensible (I know), then they could embrace the WA and make the north very workable in terms of businesses and improving things and push the re-united thing down the line a bit.
But, alas, they don't get it and it's all about the flag.
If anyone ever gets round to spelling out what a UI would be like, an equivalent of the WA should be incorporated, giving the North access to GB markets and goods.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 25, 2023, 11:58:56 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 25, 2023, 11:47:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 25, 2023, 11:44:41 AM
SF are playing a blinder with the Border Poll. It's the same tactics that vote Leave used for Brexit. There is no definition, no costing, no comparison of advantages and disadvantages.
It's all about emotion and we want it now.
No they aren't. In fact they're doing the exact opposite.
Emotion will get you so far, but it won't get a 50%+1 majority in NI at the minute.
The demographics may indeed be swinging in the right direction but not enough so the middle 15% (based on the LE votes for Alliance and the Greens) will need hard facts and figures and SF won't be able to swing these voters, it'll be a combination of a Civic forum and Irish Gov proposals as to what that UI will look like.
There's a bit of work to do yet.
41.5% voted for Nationalist or Nationalist leaning parties ( I haven't counted the independents)
38.1% voted for Unionist parties, no independents included either)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2023/northern-ireland/results (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2023/northern-ireland/results)
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/05/25/sinn-feins-sudden-silence-on-irish-unity-is-a-deliberate-and-intelligent-strategy/
"Almost everyone still believes a vote on Irish unity would be lost. A win is certainly not "likely", the threshold set by the Good Friday Agreement. Although unionism's decline appears irreversible, nationalism is barely growing. Its 40 per cent total vote last week is about two points better than usual but there is no prospect of it exceeding 50 per cent. So Northern Ireland remains in stalemate and change can only be secured by wooing the centre ground."
So it is the same as Scotland. Change will be possible when the economic system collapses but not before. This is what happened in the South from 1916 on. Living standards kept on falling and people in the middle, the Irish Independent readers, suddenly didn't give a f**k any more. It was crystallised in the 1918 election.
Quote from: seafoid on May 25, 2023, 01:06:57 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 25, 2023, 11:58:56 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 25, 2023, 11:47:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 25, 2023, 11:44:41 AM
SF are playing a blinder with the Border Poll. It's the same tactics that vote Leave used for Brexit. There is no definition, no costing, no comparison of advantages and disadvantages.
It's all about emotion and we want it now.
No they aren't. In fact they're doing the exact opposite.
Emotion will get you so far, but it won't get a 50%+1 majority in NI at the minute.
The demographics may indeed be swinging in the right direction but not enough so the middle 15% (based on the LE votes for Alliance and the Greens) will need hard facts and figures and SF won't be able to swing these voters, it'll be a combination of a Civic forum and Irish Gov proposals as to what that UI will look like.
There's a bit of work to do yet.
41.5% voted for Nationalist or Nationalist leaning parties ( I haven't counted the independents)
38.1% voted for Unionist parties, no independents included either)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2023/northern-ireland/results (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2023/northern-ireland/results)
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/05/25/sinn-feins-sudden-silence-on-irish-unity-is-a-deliberate-and-intelligent-strategy/
"Almost everyone still believes a vote on Irish unity would be lost. A win is certainly not "likely", the threshold set by the Good Friday Agreement. Although unionism's decline appears irreversible, nationalism is barely growing. Its 40 per cent total vote last week is about two points better than usual but there is no prospect of it exceeding 50 per cent. So Northern Ireland remains in stalemate and change can only be secured by wooing the centre ground."
So it is the same as Scotland. Change will be possible when the economic system collapses but not before. This is what happened in the South from 1916 on. Living standards kept on falling and people in the middle, the Irish Independent readers, suddenly didn't give a f**k any more. It was crystallised in the 1918 election.
Same point as Marty, a 6 county economic basket case as is the case now thanks to Brexit and the most right wing Tory Gov in a generation in London, the NHS, education, social care as well as the economy is in the gutter.
Northern doctors are moving south for the better pay and lifestyle and that tells you all that you need to know.
But "fleg" will be the call whilst you've no arse in your trousers.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 25, 2023, 11:58:56 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 25, 2023, 11:47:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 25, 2023, 11:44:41 AM
SF are playing a blinder with the Border Poll. It's the same tactics that vote Leave used for Brexit. There is no definition, no costing, no comparison of advantages and disadvantages.
It's all about emotion and we want it now.
No they aren't. In fact they're doing the exact opposite.
Emotion will get you so far, but it won't get a 50%+1 majority in NI at the minute.
The demographics may indeed be swinging in the right direction but not enough so the middle 15% (based on the LE votes for Alliance and the Greens) will need hard facts and figures and SF won't be able to swing these voters, it'll be a combination of a Civic forum and Irish Gov proposals as to what that UI will look like.
There's a bit of work to do yet.
41.5% voted for Nationalist or Nationalist leaning parties ( I haven't counted the independents)
38.1% voted for Unionist parties, no independents included either)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2023/northern-ireland/results (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2023/northern-ireland/results)
Someone on twitter had added up all the independents, puts nationalism on 44%. There were a lot of independent republicans standing in Tyrone and Fermanagh. Irish news had nationalism 27,000 votes ahead. Of the middle ground lots more of their transfers broke the way of nationalism rather than unionism. Remember if nationalism is on 44% and the middle ground on 15% it only takes 40% of middle ground to break nationalisms way to win the poll.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 25, 2023, 01:22:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 25, 2023, 01:06:57 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 25, 2023, 11:58:56 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 25, 2023, 11:47:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 25, 2023, 11:44:41 AM
SF are playing a blinder with the Border Poll. It's the same tactics that vote Leave used for Brexit. There is no definition, no costing, no comparison of advantages and disadvantages.
It's all about emotion and we want it now.
No they aren't. In fact they're doing the exact opposite.
Emotion will get you so far, but it won't get a 50%+1 majority in NI at the minute.
The demographics may indeed be swinging in the right direction but not enough so the middle 15% (based on the LE votes for Alliance and the Greens) will need hard facts and figures and SF won't be able to swing these voters, it'll be a combination of a Civic forum and Irish Gov proposals as to what that UI will look like.
There's a bit of work to do yet.
41.5% voted for Nationalist or Nationalist leaning parties ( I haven't counted the independents)
38.1% voted for Unionist parties, no independents included either)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2023/northern-ireland/results (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2023/northern-ireland/results)
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/05/25/sinn-feins-sudden-silence-on-irish-unity-is-a-deliberate-and-intelligent-strategy/
"Almost everyone still believes a vote on Irish unity would be lost. A win is certainly not "likely", the threshold set by the Good Friday Agreement. Although unionism's decline appears irreversible, nationalism is barely growing. Its 40 per cent total vote last week is about two points better than usual but there is no prospect of it exceeding 50 per cent. So Northern Ireland remains in stalemate and change can only be secured by wooing the centre ground."
So it is the same as Scotland. Change will be possible when the economic system collapses but not before. This is what happened in the South from 1916 on. Living standards kept on falling and people in the middle, the Irish Independent readers, suddenly didn't give a f**k any more. It was crystallised in the 1918 election.
Same point as Marty, a 6 county economic basket case as is the case now thanks to Brexit and the most right wing Tory Gov in a generation in London, the NHS, education, social care as well as the economy is in the gutter.
Northern doctors are moving south for the better pay and lifestyle and that tells you all that you need to know.
But "fleg" will be the call whilst you've no arse in your trousers.
Economics usually won't move people when it comes to sovereignty. If they did the South would have gone back to England in the 1930s. If something awful happens like pensions collapsing there may be change of attitude but as long as people can maintain their regular habits most will not opt for change.
I think all parties like UK and Irl Gov and Northern parties have to fix the Northern economy because this would wean people off the DUP and also make it more attractive in terms of a UI.
The correct final results are,
SF 31.0%
SDLP 8.7%
PBP 1.1%
Aontú 0.9%
IRSP 0.1%
Independent Nationalists 2.1%
TOTAL PRO UNITED IRELAND VOTE 43.9%
DUP 23.2%
UUP 10.9%
TUV 3.9%
PUP 0.3%
Conservatives 0.1%
Independent Unionists 1.7%
TOTAL PRO UNITED KINGDOM VOTE 40.1%
Alliance 13.3%
Green 1.7%
Cross Community Labour 0.1%
Workers Party 0.1%
Socialist Party 0.0%
Independent Others 0.8%
TOTAL OTHERS 16.0%
Historic.
I think I prefer the term reunified Ireland to United Ireland. In time it will remind us how we all lose when good people are divided up..
Even if the PRO Unity lead was only 0.1% it would have been historic, but a lead of 3.8% is so earth shattering that this truly signals time up for Northern Ireland.
When it happens, what differences will it have on you in all aspects?
Probably a thread on its own
But, mentally, financially, socially, and so on
If it happened you might live longer as the NHS is capitulating.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 25, 2023, 08:10:09 PM
If it happened you might live longer as the NHS is capitulating.
I'm beyond living longer, I work with old people, it ain't much craic
Maybe Antrim might start winning all Irelands . It has the population.
Quote from: seafoid on May 25, 2023, 08:26:09 PM
Maybe Antrim might start winning all Irelands . It has the population.
My club has won one, I'll die happy enough
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2023, 08:11:11 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 25, 2023, 08:10:09 PM
If it happened you might live longer as the NHS is capitulating.
I'm beyond living longer, I work with old people, it ain't much craic
That's if you live to be old. Outcomes on nhs these days are very poor if you're diagnosed with anything younger too.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2023, 08:38:47 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 25, 2023, 08:26:09 PM
Maybe Antrim might start winning all Irelands . It has the population.
My club has won one, I'll die happy enough
That must have been amazing
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 25, 2023, 08:45:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2023, 08:11:11 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 25, 2023, 08:10:09 PM
If it happened you might live longer as the NHS is capitulating.
I'm beyond living longer, I work with old people, it ain't much craic
That's if you live to be old. Outcomes on nhs these days are very poor if you're diagnosed with anything younger too.
Im happy to pay, but to be fair on the NHS I spotted blood in my pooh (bowel cancer in family) doctor organised appointments and all done and dusted in 3 weeks, that was consultation and colonoscopy and all my bloods checked.
Sister had bowel cancer, op done, 8 cycles of chemo and no problems with appointments, which were all during covid.
So personally I've had no problems with NHS
It has done some good in my family but it is in a very bad place - particularly here- and even people who I know that work in it are saying outcomes are not good these days in it. It's not couped yet but is going that direction rapidly.
There is a lot of work to be done on flags, emblems, language, holidays, political structures, services and tax.
In that order (not necessarily order or importance):
What will the Irish flag be?
What will the anthem be and in what language?
How will unionism/Protestantism be reflected in the symbols of state and government?
Will 12th of July be a public holiday in part/all/none of Ireland?
Would Ireland be in the commonwealth?
What role for British monarchy?
Would some/all/none of Ireland have a public holiday on days that reflected British identity (e.g. monarch's funeral)?
Any recognition of Ulster scotch (I know)?
Would Ireland be a 32 county unitary state?
Or would there still be a NI with power sharing?
Would there be equivalent devolution elsewhere?
As signatories to the GFA what demands will the London government make?
How will they be petitioned by unionism?
What would the policing status of NI be and what resources would be in place if there was an upsurge in violence?
What would the trading agreement be with GB?
What would the EU view on that be?
Will the public services be the same in NI as in RoI currently? If so would be people have to pay for anything that is currently free? If it's not the same will RoI taxpayers have to pay for any service that they won't receive?
What will the divorce settlement with GB be in terms of assets, debts, future liabilities (pensions being an obvious one)?
A lot to work on. Pointless demanding SF or anyone answer all of them overnight but they will have to answer some and show that they are progressing the others. Ultimately they will all have to be answered.
Interesting article https://sluggerotoole.com/2023/05/24/the-shape-of-a-united-ireland-is-emerging-but-itll-keep/
Interesting article but I wouldn't count on a Southern budget surplus. The economic model has 2 parts. A slow domestic economy and a fast moving but volatile multinational part. When things are good they are good but when they are bad like in 2010 they are shite.
You know what, the Cloughey true blues and the Portavogie red hand defenders could match up and down the Ballygalget road all day, every day and I wouldn't give a flying f**k so long as we'd a reunited Ireland
The supremeism would be gone and they'd know it .
Dup now filling the togs at the thought of the union weakening. They've already started their new campaign
https://twitter.com/little_pengelly/status/1661720706034302977?t=wLza7s6lIyLZ88cujIHyFg&s=19
Imagine for a moment that you're invited out for a few beers with the commentators:
- John Campbell
Ben Lowery
Sam McBride
Who would crack the most jokes?
Border poll!
https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1661858499062644740
Quote from: Orior on May 25, 2023, 11:23:40 PM
Imagine for a moment that you're invited out for a few beers with the commentators:
- John Campbell
Ben Lowery
Sam McBride
Who would crack the most jokes?
Campbell isn't too bad. More business orientated.
Mc Bride ok also but his sentence about the baby boom generation was a bit crazy taken in isolation but if you read the full article, he puts it in context.
I always think Lowry is about to cry every time he does an interview. Want to go back to a time when nationalists kept their head down. He hasn't grasped the reality of the demographics in the north in 2023.
Quote from: Orior on May 25, 2023, 11:23:40 PM
Imagine for a moment that you're invited out for a few beers with the commentators:
- John Campbell
Ben Lowery
Sam McBride
Who would crack the most jokes?
I think you would laugh the most at Ben
Quote from: grounded on May 26, 2023, 12:15:16 AM
Border poll!
https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1661858499062644740
Do politicians ever watch back clips like this and cringe at how stupid it makes them look
Quote from: Brendan on May 26, 2023, 10:27:34 AM
Quote from: grounded on May 26, 2023, 12:15:16 AM
Border poll!
https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1661858499062644740
Do politicians ever watch back clips like this and cringe at how stupid it makes them look
It's baked in.
They can't turn down the invite.
They can't stop the question being asked.
They don't want a cringeworthy clip but they really don't want a clip where they categorically let the cat out of the bag. So they settle for the former and just repeat a stock line.
Quote from: marty34 on May 26, 2023, 07:39:12 AM
Campbell isn't too bad.
He is as good as Peston and we are lucky to have him.
Quote from: marty34 on May 26, 2023, 07:39:12 AM
More business orientated.
Imagine that
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.
Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 26, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.
Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.
Will anything formally change?
One of the many constructive ambiguities in the GFA is the wide discretion given to the SOS on when to trigger the 2 polls. Maybe a line or 2 around that not being anytime soon can be chalk off whatever climb down they are going to have to wear on the Windsor Framework.
im i being correct in saying the dup are threatening the British goverment that they will not recognise the windsor framework unless they make conditions to trigger a border poll harder will they tell the tories they want a super majority put into law for a border poll vote to be successful.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 26, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.
Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.
if the DUP had even a whit of strategic thinking they would calling for a border poll now
Win it comprehensively 55-45/60-40
And show that there is a significant Catholic Unionist vote out there, happy with the status quo.
And burying it for another 50 years
There's no clear indication within the GFA that if one poll is called another border poll has to be called within a certain time frame .
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 26, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.
Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.
There is a concerted effort now, calling for the scrapping of the good friday agreement or failing that a renogiation of the mechanism by which a border poll is called or a changing of the 50+1% rule for it to pass.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 26, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.
Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.
Completely agree with this.
I cannot believe the gall at them for even suggesting it. It is absolute desperation.
Quote from: Brendan on May 26, 2023, 10:27:34 AM
Quote from: grounded on May 26, 2023, 12:15:16 AM
Border poll!
https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1661858499062644740
Do politicians ever watch back clips like this and cringe at how stupid it makes them look
I see she's decided to engage with ones in the replies so it's obviously been gnawing at her...
Is there a plan to convert the middle ground?
Quote from: grounded on May 26, 2023, 12:15:45 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 26, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.
Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.
There is a concerted effort now, calling for the scrapping of the good friday agreement or failing that a renogiation of the mechanism by which a border poll is called or a changing of the 50+1% rule for it to pass.
Spell out the details of each strand that go to make up the "concerted effort" to which you refer?
Yes. Free tickets to tailteann cup matches 8)
Quote from: smelmoth on May 25, 2023, 09:39:24 PM
What would the trading agreement be with GB?
What would the EU view on that be?
Brexit managed to damage both the status quo (NI in UK) and a future United Ireland.
Membership of the EU managed to make the border almost invisible as a practical matter, Brexit damaged that and in a future United Ireland the Common Travel area and EU membership would leave the border between Ireland and GB mostly invisible, Brexit makes that almost impossible.
There would of course be special arrangements for the North East Home Rule Area.
Unionists like to talk about their biggest trading partner: GB.
Ireland (republic) now only has about 9% of its trade with GB. It's not the 1950s anymore.
Here's the kicker that never gets discussed. The republic is still a larger trading partner with GB (even if 90% of its trade is elsewhere) per head of population than the north is. UK exports to Ireland (republic) were £54.7bn in 2022 and imports were £29.1bn. The North on other hand exports £12.2bn to GB and imports £14.4b.
Consider North has 40% of population of South. But consider the South does all that trade with UK (and is UK's 6th largest market) but 90% of South's trade is still elsewhere.
There's very little elsewhere for the North apart from GB and the rest of Ireland. Unionists in their blindness to be tethered to GB cannot even see that GB being the largest trading partner is actually a problem for economic growth. And they do not even have a surplus. The 1.9m from North buy more from GB than the 68m in GB buys from the wee country. South does not have a surplus either with UK but has found new markets. One place North does have a surplus: with the South. And the protocol has increased that surplus.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 26, 2023, 02:33:29 PM
Quote from: grounded on May 26, 2023, 12:15:45 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 26, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.
Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.
There is a concerted effort now, calling for the scrapping of the good friday agreement or failing that a renogiation of the mechanism by which a border poll is called or a changing of the 50+1% rule for it to pass.
Spell out the details of each strand that go to make up the "concerted effort" to which you refer?
D....e....t.....a....i....l.....s...
Quote from: weareros on May 26, 2023, 07:35:48 PM
Unionists like to talk about their biggest trading partner: GB.
Ireland (republic) now only has about 9% of its trade with GB. It's not the 1950s anymore.
Here's the kicker that never gets discussed. The republic is still a larger trading partner with GB (even if 90% of its trade is elsewhere) per head of population than the north is. UK exports to Ireland (republic) were £54.7bn in 2022 and imports were £29.1bn. The North on other hand exports £12.2bn to GB and imports £14.4b.
Consider North has 40% of population of South. But consider the South does all that trade with UK (and is UK's 6th largest market) but 90% of South's trade is still elsewhere.
There's very little elsewhere for the North apart from GB and the rest of Ireland. Unionists in their blindness to be tethered to GB cannot even see that GB being the largest trading partner is actually a problem for economic growth. And they do not even have a surplus. The 1.9m from North buy more from GB than the 68m in GB buys from the wee country. South does not have a surplus either with UK but has found new markets. One place North does have a surplus: with the South. And the protocol has increased that surplus.
On the big picture stuff I agree with you. NI has look more to economies beyond Uk.
On the specifics of your numbers I'm less sure. Accurate data of trade between UK regions is in my experience impossible to get. I'll give you an example:
A German company spends €10m on a service from a UK company. The UK company is headquartered in London but all its work is done in Belfast. Does your figures record that as an export from London to Germany, Belfast to Germany or Belfast to London? Accurately recording that stuff is really important for the type of analysis you are attempting.
Quote from: grounded on May 26, 2023, 08:31:40 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 26, 2023, 02:33:29 PM
Quote from: grounded on May 26, 2023, 12:15:45 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 26, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.
Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.
There is a concerted effort now, calling for the scrapping of the good friday agreement or failing that a renogiation of the mechanism by which a border poll is called or a changing of the 50+1% rule for it to pass.
Spell out the details of each strand that go to make up the "concerted effort" to which you refer?
D....e....t.....a....i....l.....s...
Is that all we get?
Quote from: smelmoth on May 26, 2023, 09:54:09 PM
Quote from: grounded on May 26, 2023, 08:31:40 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 26, 2023, 02:33:29 PM
Quote from: grounded on May 26, 2023, 12:15:45 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 26, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.
Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.
There is a concerted effort now, calling for the scrapping of the good friday agreement or failing that a renogiation of the mechanism by which a border poll is called or a changing of the 50+1% rule for it to pass.
Spell out the details of each strand that go to make up the "concerted effort" to which you refer?
D....e....t.....a....i....l.....s...
Is that all we get?
C...o...n....c...e...r...t...e...d... E...f...f...o...r...t..
Quote from: smelmoth on May 26, 2023, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: weareros on May 26, 2023, 07:35:48 PM
Unionists like to talk about their biggest trading partner: GB.
Ireland (republic) now only has about 9% of its trade with GB. It's not the 1950s anymore.
Here's the kicker that never gets discussed. The republic is still a larger trading partner with GB (even if 90% of its trade is elsewhere) per head of population than the north is. UK exports to Ireland (republic) were £54.7bn in 2022 and imports were £29.1bn. The North on other hand exports £12.2bn to GB and imports £14.4b.
Consider North has 40% of population of South. But consider the South does all that trade with UK (and is UK's 6th largest market) but 90% of South's trade is still elsewhere.
There's very little elsewhere for the North apart from GB and the rest of Ireland. Unionists in their blindness to be tethered to GB cannot even see that GB being the largest trading partner is actually a problem for economic growth. And they do not even have a surplus. The 1.9m from North buy more from GB than the 68m in GB buys from the wee country. South does not have a surplus either with UK but has found new markets. One place North does have a surplus: with the South. And the protocol has increased that surplus.
On the big picture stuff I agree with you. NI has look more to economies beyond Uk.
On the specifics of your numbers I'm less sure. Accurate data of trade between UK regions is in my experience impossible to get. I'll give you an example:
A German company spends €10m on a service from a UK company. The UK company is headquartered in London but all its work is done in Belfast. Does your figures record that as an export from London to Germany, Belfast to Germany or Belfast to London? Accurately recording that stuff is really important for the type of analysis you are attempting.
That's true. GB is often the middleman for GB exports to NI that are coming from say EU. But it would only prove my point that NI's trade with GB underperforms when compared to the purchasing power the republic has when buying from both north and GB. In fact, Republic buys more now from UK than it did pre-Brexit (a good bit will be inflation costs). Which shows the lie in Unionists complaining about interruptions in trade with GB. Rest of Ireland continues to be a huge export market for Uk. I'd say there's some that must be thinking that if they could save the £15bn subvention and the whole of Ireland was just a billion upon billions export market, wouldn't that be a great thing. Anyway I need to start turning my thoughts to the Dubs.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 26, 2023, 02:33:29 PM
Quote from: grounded on May 26, 2023, 12:15:45 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 26, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.
Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.
There is a concerted effort now, calling for the scrapping of the good friday agreement or failing that a renogiation of the mechanism by which a border poll is called or a changing of the 50+1% rule for it to pass.
Spell out the details of each strand that go to make up the "concerted effort" to which you refer?
Making a concerted effort doesn't haven't to constitute multiple strands you know.
A blind man on a galloping horse could see that there's a long running attempt to move the goalposts on 50%+1.
Seamus Mallon started it and it's been latched onto by a succession of Unionist and free stater politicians since, including none other than Leo Varadkar and Micheal Martin. Ian Óg was at it earlier this week.
Where have you been living if you haven't noticed?
Paisley tried to put it through parliament months ago.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 26, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.
Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.
If that happened, then Stormont is dead.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 26, 2023, 02:33:29 PM
Quote from: grounded on May 26, 2023, 12:15:45 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 26, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.
Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.
There is a concerted effort now, calling for the scrapping of the good friday agreement or failing that a renogiation of the mechanism by which a border poll is called or a changing of the 50+1% rule for it to pass.
Spell out the details of each strand that go to make up the "concerted effort" to which you refer?
Ah come on - they didn't exactly publish a documented plan, but you've have to be living under a rock to miss the constant efforts to undermine the GFA and the 50%+1 specifically.
Quote from: red hander on May 27, 2023, 02:25:30 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 26, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.
Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.
If that happened, then Stormont is dead.
It will never happen, it is signed into a internationally recognised framework. Just because the DUP have now realised the implication of this does not change that simply fact.
Quote from: red hander on May 27, 2023, 02:25:30 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 26, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.
Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.
If that happened, then Stormont is dead.
It appears dead anyway. I am not sure how it gets revived. It would take this kind of thing to get the DUP back in I think.
They are doing more for Irish unity than all the nationalist / republican parties put together ever did the way they are going.
Quote from: NAG1 on May 30, 2023, 10:10:30 AM
Quote from: red hander on May 27, 2023, 02:25:30 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 26, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.
Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.
If that happened, then Stormont is dead.
It will never happen, it is signed into a internationally recognised framework. Just because the DUP have now realised the implication of this does not change that simply fact.
I know that, and you know that, we all know that.
But in the event of a hung parliament, which I think is quite likely to happen within the next few election cycles, the DUP as kingmakers will easily wring this concession from a tory leader, international treaty or no international treaty.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 30, 2023, 11:24:27 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on May 30, 2023, 10:10:30 AM
Quote from: red hander on May 27, 2023, 02:25:30 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 26, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.
Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.
If that happened, then Stormont is dead.
It will never happen, it is signed into a internationally recognised framework. Just because the DUP have now realised the implication of this does not change that simply fact.
I know that, and you know that, we all know that.
But in the event of a hung parliament, which I think is quite likely to happen within the next few election cycles, the DUP as kingmakers will easily wring this concession from a tory leader, international treaty or no international treaty.
What about if it was hung in favour of Labour and they conceded polls in both Scotland and the North?
Ian Paisley: We are nowhere near the risk of a border poll - but if one ever happened there should be a turnout quota and supermajority
Quote from: Eire90 on May 30, 2023, 12:17:23 PM
Ian Paisley: We are nowhere near the risk of a border poll - but if one ever happened there should be a turnout quota and supermajority
Enjoyed the turnout quota manouvere. Don't show up to vote and we win be default.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 30, 2023, 12:17:23 PM
Ian Paisley: We are nowhere near the risk of a border poll - but if one ever happened there should be a turnout quota and supermajority
Nothing to see here smelmoth
Interesting blog post by John Alderdice:
https://lordalderdice.com/2023/05/28/its-all-over-bar-the-shoutin/
Quote from: weareros on May 30, 2023, 01:34:22 PM
Interesting blog post by John Alderdice:
https://lordalderdice.com/2023/05/28/its-all-over-bar-the-shoutin/
Bloody Lundy that Alderdice lad. ;D
The Rev. Ivan Foster explains thing very clearly
"Further to Tom Ferguson's letter on Friday ('Unionist unity is not possible without a shared political objective', May 26, see link below) may I add a comment in support of what he says. Unionist unity is attractive but if there is an incorporating of the unscriptural policies that both the DUP (https://www.newsletter.co.uk/topic/dup) and the Ulster Unionist Party (https://www.newsletter.co.uk/topic/ulster-unionist-party) presently adhere to, what would such unity be in the eyes of God?Nothing but the old rebellion renamed! Disunity is not the problem. It is but one of the consequences of the problem. The problem is an offended God! Until that matter is addressed, no matter what 'repair jobs' are carried out, the advance of the enemy will continue. In truth, I cannot see a return from the apostasy that has been embraced by Ulster and that repeatedly.
The DUP voting pattern shows a total disregard for the standards that the party once espoused. It is clear that the DUP is increasingly repudiating the truth of God in its search for votes – all to no avail of course. Even professing Christians have joined in the casting off of 'the old paths'.This old Bible text holds the answer for us. "Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein," Jeremiah 6:16.
The DUP and Protestantism generally, echoes the reply of the rebels in the days of Jeremiah."
Quote from: dec on May 30, 2023, 09:40:30 PM
The Rev. Ivan Foster explains thing very clearly
"Further to Tom Ferguson's letter on Friday ('Unionist unity is not possible without a shared political objective', May 26, see link below) may I add a comment in support of what he says. Unionist unity is attractive but if there is an incorporating of the unscriptural policies that both the DUP (https://www.newsletter.co.uk/topic/dup) and the Ulster Unionist Party (https://www.newsletter.co.uk/topic/ulster-unionist-party) presently adhere to, what would such unity be in the eyes of God?Nothing but the old rebellion renamed! Disunity is not the problem. It is but one of the consequences of the problem. The problem is an offended God! Until that matter is addressed, no matter what 'repair jobs' are carried out, the advance of the enemy will continue. In truth, I cannot see a return from the apostasy that has been embraced by Ulster and that repeatedly.
The DUP voting pattern shows a total disregard for the standards that the party once espoused. It is clear that the DUP is increasingly repudiating the truth of God in its search for votes – all to no avail of course. Even professing Christians have joined in the casting off of 'the old paths'.This old Bible text holds the answer for us. "Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein," Jeremiah 6:16.
The DUP and Protestantism generally, echoes the reply of the rebels in the days of Jeremiah."
;D
Sorcha Eastwood was on BBC Talkback earlier. She seemed to forget that she's an Alliance rep and is supposed to sit on the fence as far at the constitutional question goes, but she got very annoyed when Kevin Meagher, commentator and former advisor to then Labour Sec of State Shaun Woodward argued that economically, a United Ireland is something of a no-brainer. When he stated the simple fact that economic reports all project that the economy in the south will continue to boom for the rest of the 2020's, she replied "you can't turn around say that!" Kevin rightly laughed at the response.
In other news, a new poll this week:
Sinn Féin 31 (+2 since April)
DUP 26 (+1)
Alliance 15 (+2)
UUP 10 (-1)
SDLP 6 (-1)
TUV 5 (-2)
Greens 2
Aontú 2
PBP 1
Inds/others 2 (-1)
The alliance party are the biggest block to a UI. If you have any green persuasion at all then apart from a best of a bad bunch vote in a Westminster election then give these chancers a big miss
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on August 23, 2023, 04:37:33 PM
The alliance party are the biggest block to a UI. If you have any green persuasion at all then apart from a best of a bad bunch vote in a Westminster election then give these chancers a big miss
Agree, complete bluffers and chancers. Come the glorious day of a border poll they'll go firmly pro-Union.
Quote from: Pub Bore on August 23, 2023, 05:07:25 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on August 23, 2023, 04:37:33 PM
The alliance party are the biggest block to a UI. If you have any green persuasion at all then apart from a best of a bad bunch vote in a Westminster election then give these chancers a big miss
Agree, complete bluffers and chancers. Come the glorious day of a border poll they'll go firmly pro-Union.
The leadership of Alliance might, but many of their voters will not.
Alliance, as I've said already, can't sit on the fence forever.
They have to move one way or the other over the next few years.
Sorca Eastwood doesn't even try and hide her true colours
Quote from: marty34 on August 23, 2023, 06:16:05 PM
Alliance, as I've said already, can't sit on the fence forever.
They have to move one way or the other over the next few years.
Why exactly?
Can't they simply say "it's up to our members to vote as they see fit" if such Referendum takes place?
Quote from: Brendan on August 23, 2023, 06:32:14 PM
Sorca Eastwood doesn't even try and hide her true colours
Sorca of the union jack dress fame, you sure about that?
Someone should ask Alliance what is their plan for making the 6 counties 90% as prosperous as the 26 counties or even preventing the gap growing.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 23, 2023, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 23, 2023, 06:16:05 PM
Alliance, as I've said already, can't sit on the fence forever.
They have to move one way or the other over the next few years.
Why exactly?
Can't they simply say "it's up to our members to vote as they see fit" if such Referendum takes place?
Does their leadership not dictate and form policy on big issues?
I see most of the Alliance voters being those born after the GFA. The "can't we all just get along" 20 somethings , those mingling/studying/partying with 'the other side' at university.
But ultimately, there will be a unity vote at some stage , and Alliance and their voters will have to jump into one side or the other
I think they may start slipping a bit soon alliance. The stuff with the sdlp online and I think nicholls almost let slip their unity stance in an interview. It may drop them off a few voters. The landscape has changed a good bit post brexit and neutrality won't cut it but then again once they nail their colours to the mast they are going to haemorrhage voters. The problem is with the sdlp dying, or appearing to anyway, then where would it leave nationalists who don't want to vote sf.
Would alliance not also be a reflection of the state of unionism with the UUP very weak like the SDLP and the DUP strong but unpopular? Voters don't have a lot of choice especially under first past the post.
Quote from: seafoid on August 24, 2023, 06:23:24 AM
Would alliance not also be a reflection of the state of unionism with the UUP very weak like the SDLP and the DUP strong but unpopular? Voters don't have a lot of choice especially under first past the post.
There's the TUV, DUP, PUP, UUP and Alliance.
Plenty of choice thrre for unionism.
Problem for them is demographics are changing quickly and they've (DUP) have backed themselves into a corner:
1. Brexit.
2. No Stormont
All their own doing. Such a mess for unionism.
Just illustrates that the north cannot work.
How do they get out of it now?
41% Unionist
40% Nationalist (incl PBP)
19% others.
Should "we" be doing better given the demographics?
Quote from: marty34 on August 24, 2023, 08:47:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 24, 2023, 06:23:24 AM
Would alliance not also be a reflection of the state of unionism with the UUP very weak like the SDLP and the DUP strong but unpopular? Voters don't have a lot of choice especially under first past the post.
There's the TUV, DUP, PUP, UUP and Alliance.
Plenty of choice thrre for unionism.
Problem for them is demographics are changing quickly and they've (DUP) have backed themselves into a corner:
1. Brexit.
2. No Stormont
All their own doing. Such a mess for unionism.
Just illustrates that the north cannot work.
How do they get out of it now?
There are not plenty of choices for the more moderate unionist though. The pup are more or less dead too.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 24, 2023, 09:02:31 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 24, 2023, 08:47:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 24, 2023, 06:23:24 AM
Would alliance not also be a reflection of the state of unionism with the UUP very weak like the SDLP and the DUP strong but unpopular? Voters don't have a lot of choice especially under first past the post.
There's the TUV, DUP, PUP, UUP and Alliance.
Plenty of choice thrre for unionism.
Problem for them is demographics are changing quickly and they've (DUP) have backed themselves into a corner:
1. Brexit.
2. No Stormont
All their own doing. Such a mess for unionism.
Just illustrates that the north cannot work.
How do they get out of it now?
There are not plenty of choices for the more moderate unionist though. The pup are more or less dead too.
Be really interesting to see a break down of the DUP voters by age bracket.
Are they still relying on the older traditional Paisley type voter, or are the actually appealing to a new harder line younger vote.
This could be the key to the future of this place as much as anything.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 24, 2023, 09:02:31 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 24, 2023, 08:47:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 24, 2023, 06:23:24 AM
Would alliance not also be a reflection of the state of unionism with the UUP very weak like the SDLP and the DUP strong but unpopular? Voters don't have a lot of choice especially under first past the post.
There's the TUV, DUP, PUP, UUP and Alliance.
Plenty of choice thrre for unionism.
Problem for them is demographics are changing quickly and they've (DUP) have backed themselves into a corner:
1. Brexit.
2. No Stormont
All their own doing. Such a mess for unionism.
Just illustrates that the north cannot work.
How do they get out of it now?
There are not plenty of choices for the more moderate unionist though. The pup are more or less dead too.
The problem there is that some in the DUP see themselves as 'moderate unionists'.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 24, 2023, 09:02:31 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 24, 2023, 08:47:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 24, 2023, 06:23:24 AM
Would alliance not also be a reflection of the state of unionism with the UUP very weak like the SDLP and the DUP strong but unpopular? Voters don't have a lot of choice especially under first past the post.
There's the TUV, DUP, PUP, UUP and Alliance.
Plenty of choice thrre for unionism.
Problem for them is demographics are changing quickly and they've (DUP) have backed themselves into a corner:
1. Brexit.
2. No Stormont
All their own doing. Such a mess for unionism.
Just illustrates that the north cannot work.
How do they get out of it now?
There are not plenty of choices for the more moderate unionist though. The pup are more or less dead too.
I genuinely think people are looking at the Alliance vote the wrong way.
Alliance are strong in areas normally unionist dominated, North Down, East Belfast, Strangford, Lagan Valley, South Belfast (which may be an outlier for my theory) where SF/SDLP normally haven't a hope in hell of getting enough votes so nationalist voters (in growing numbers in these areas) are tactically voting for Alliance to get them in rather than the DUP or UUP. They're obviously picking up soft Unionist voters and the "others" who don't prescribe to either tribe but I'd like to see the data on their voting base if such a thing exists!
Quote from: johnnycool on August 24, 2023, 09:46:46 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 24, 2023, 09:02:31 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 24, 2023, 08:47:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 24, 2023, 06:23:24 AM
Would alliance not also be a reflection of the state of unionism with the UUP very weak like the SDLP and the DUP strong but unpopular? Voters don't have a lot of choice especially under first past the post.
There's the TUV, DUP, PUP, UUP and Alliance.
Plenty of choice thrre for unionism.
Problem for them is demographics are changing quickly and they've (DUP) have backed themselves into a corner:
1. Brexit.
2. No Stormont
All their own doing. Such a mess for unionism.
Just illustrates that the north cannot work.
How do they get out of it now?
There are not plenty of choices for the more moderate unionist though. The pup are more or less dead too.
I genuinely think people are looking at the Alliance vote the wrong way.
Alliance are strong in areas normally unionist dominated, North Down, East Belfast, Strangford, Lagan Valley, South Belfast (which may be an outlier for my theory) where SF/SDLP normally haven't a hope in hell of getting enough votes so nationalist voters (in growing numbers in these areas) are tactically voting for Alliance to get them in rather than the DUP or UUP. They're obviously picking up soft Unionist voters and the "others" who don't prescribe to either tribe but I'd like to see the data on their voting base if such a thing exists!
There is no doubt about it that the Alliance party are picking up more and more pale green votes and in fact most certainly get more votes from the CNR community rather than the PUL. This has been shown in countless polls which of course are just ignored by Unionists as they reckon alliance voters will save the day come border poll that's despite calling them SF poodles and part of the pan nationalist front- you couldn't make it up. I welcome a vote for Alliance in Westminster elections when the alternative is a DUP tool and yer man Farry seems alright but I wouldn't waste my time in any other election with them, SDLP or SF should be competitive for a seat in most council wards and assembly constituencies.
After 25 yrs of demographic shift and the nationalist % hasn't shifted much it doesn't take too much to realise where the votes are going, the middle ground is becoming greener and greener and that by and large is reflected in the policies of the middle ground (apart from the constitutional question) unfortunately the secretary if state will only look at that nationalist % which ain't moving much even though the unionist % is in serious free fall