Predicted All Stars at the minute. Obviously this will change depending on who gets to/wins AI final.
1. Cluxton
2. McGlynn
3. Cadogan
4. Higgins
5. Nolan
6. Lacey
7. Bolton
8. Walsh
9. McAuley
10. Kerrigan
11. McHugh
12. Dillon
13. McFadden
14. O'Connor
15. Brogan
Really struggled to pick a forward line and I think that says more about defensive systems and how inside forward lines are finding time and space to become prolific scorers. McHugh could just as easily be picked as a defender.
Obviously alot of football to go and not a bad team for starters.
For me Higgins (Mo), Kerrigan and McHugh(Dl) are definites at this stage with alot of others to get one barring meltdowns in the AISF.
Think you are being cheeky in nominating Stephen as goalkeeper as he really has not had alot to do so far. Donegal keeper probably in with a better shot at the moment.
From a Dublin perspective only Paul Flynn and Kevin Nolan in the running so far imo with the AISF to decide their fate Allstarwise.
Quote from: Canalman on August 08, 2012, 11:04:39 AM
Obviously alot of football to go and not a bad team for starters.
For me Higgins (Mo), Kerrigan and McHugh(Dl) are definites at this stage with alot of others to get one barring meltdowns in the AISF.
Think you are being cheeky in nominating Stephen as goalkeeper as he really has not had alot to do so far. Donegal keeper probably in with a better shot at the moment.
From a Dublin perspective only Paul Flynn and Kevin Nolan in the running so far imo with the AISF to decide their fate Allstarwise.
Yeah the Donegal keeper has been better in terms of saves made but for me whilst this is important its only about 20% importance in GAA goalkeepers. The kicking is the most important aspect and in this regard Cluxton has no peers.
Others like Brogan and O'Connor have been included as much for what they might produce in the semi and beyond as for what they have ACTUALLY produced to date. This combined with the lack of outstanding alternatives.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 08, 2012, 11:14:28 AM
Quote from: Canalman on August 08, 2012, 11:04:39 AM
Obviously alot of football to go and not a bad team for starters.
For me Higgins (Mo), Kerrigan and McHugh(Dl) are definites at this stage with alot of others to get one barring meltdowns in the AISF.
Think you are being cheeky in nominating Stephen as goalkeeper as he really has not had alot to do so far. Donegal keeper probably in with a better shot at the moment.
From a Dublin perspective only Paul Flynn and Kevin Nolan in the running so far imo with the AISF to decide their fate Allstarwise.
Yeah the Donegal keeper has been better in terms of saves made but for me whilst this is important its only about 20% importance in GAA goalkeepers. The kicking is the most important aspect and in this regard Cluxton has no peers.
Others like Brogan and O'Connor have been included as much for what they might produce in the semi and beyond as for what they have ACTUALLY produced to date. This combined with the lack of outstanding alternatives.
Have you watched Donegal at all this year? Durkan's kickout's have been exceptional so far short/long he's been kicking very well all year.
Put his saves along with that and how safe he is under a high ball and I think he is well ahead of Clucko at this stage.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 08, 2012, 11:14:28 AM
Quote from: Canalman on August 08, 2012, 11:04:39 AM
Obviously alot of football to go and not a bad team for starters.
For me Higgins (Mo), Kerrigan and McHugh(Dl) are definites at this stage with alot of others to get one barring meltdowns in the AISF.
Think you are being cheeky in nominating Stephen as goalkeeper as he really has not had alot to do so far. Donegal keeper probably in with a better shot at the moment.
From a Dublin perspective only Paul Flynn and Kevin Nolan in the running so far imo with the AISF to decide their fate Allstarwise.
Yeah the Donegal keeper has been better in terms of saves made but for me whilst this is important its only about 20% importance in GAA goalkeepers. The kicking is the most important aspect and in this regard Cluxton has no peers.
Others like Brogan and O'Connor have been included as much for what they might produce in the semi and beyond as for what they have ACTUALLY produced to date. This combined with the lack of outstanding alternatives.
You for real? Sure name the full Dublin first 15 for what they might produce. ;D
Quote from: screenexile on August 08, 2012, 11:22:07 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 08, 2012, 11:14:28 AM
Quote from: Canalman on August 08, 2012, 11:04:39 AM
Obviously alot of football to go and not a bad team for starters.
For me Higgins (Mo), Kerrigan and McHugh(Dl) are definites at this stage with alot of others to get one barring meltdowns in the AISF.
Think you are being cheeky in nominating Stephen as goalkeeper as he really has not had alot to do so far. Donegal keeper probably in with a better shot at the moment.
From a Dublin perspective only Paul Flynn and Kevin Nolan in the running so far imo with the AISF to decide their fate Allstarwise.
Yeah the Donegal keeper has been better in terms of saves made but for me whilst this is important its only about 20% importance in GAA goalkeepers. The kicking is the most important aspect and in this regard Cluxton has no peers.
Others like Brogan and O'Connor have been included as much for what they might produce in the semi and beyond as for what they have ACTUALLY produced to date. This combined with the lack of outstanding alternatives.
Have you watched Donegal at all this year? Durkan's kickout's have been exceptional so far short/long he's been kicking very well all year.
Put his saves along with that and how safe he is under a high ball and I think he is well ahead of Clucko at this stage.
Have seen every one of Donegals games and I wouldn't dispute that Durkan has been very good. Personally though I think Cluxton is different class, the way he puts his kickouts on a sixpence is unrivalled. Best GAA keeper I've ever seen.
Durkan for Donegal has been immense.
Unless he has a woeful game v Cork Paul Durcan is nailed on for All-star. The back six will be the hardest to pick probably a mixture between the final four. Barry Moran should get one of the midfield spots in the forwards McFadden,Mark McHugh look certain while Alan Dillion is having his best year since 2004. Laois or Tipp may get one for their efforts.
Quote from: ross4life on August 08, 2012, 03:15:39 PM
Unless he has a woeful game v Cork Paul Durcan is nailed on for All-star. The back six will be the hardest to pick probably a mixture between the final four. Barry Moran should get one of the midfield spots in the forwards McFadden,Mark McHugh look certain while Alan Dillion is having his best year since 2004. Laois or Tipp may get one for their efforts.
How many points has he kicked? You know he is up against the greatest goalie in thehistory of gaelic games ever since the start of time?
Quote from: ross4life on August 08, 2012, 03:15:39 PM
Unless he has a woeful game v Cork Paul Durcan is nailed on for All-star. The back six will be the hardest to pick probably a mixture between the final four. Barry Moran should get one of the midfield spots in the forwards McFadden,Mark McHugh look certain while Alan Dillion is having his best year since 2004. Laois or Tipp may get one for their efforts.
No I doubt Laois will get any.
Quote from: screenexile on August 08, 2012, 11:22:07 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 08, 2012, 11:14:28 AM
Quote from: Canalman on August 08, 2012, 11:04:39 AM
Obviously alot of football to go and not a bad team for starters.
For me Higgins (Mo), Kerrigan and McHugh(Dl) are definites at this stage with alot of others to get one barring meltdowns in the AISF.
Think you are being cheeky in nominating Stephen as goalkeeper as he really has not had alot to do so far. Donegal keeper probably in with a better shot at the moment.
From a Dublin perspective only Paul Flynn and Kevin Nolan in the running so far imo with the AISF to decide their fate Allstarwise.
Yeah the Donegal keeper has been better in terms of saves made but for me whilst this is important its only about 20% importance in GAA goalkeepers. The kicking is the most important aspect and in this regard Cluxton has no peers.
Others like Brogan and O'Connor have been included as much for what they might produce in the semi and beyond as for what they have ACTUALLY produced to date. This combined with the lack of outstanding alternatives.
Have you watched Donegal at all this year? Durkan's kickout's have been exceptional so far short/long he's been kicking very well all year.
Put his saves along with that and how safe he is under a high ball and I think he is well ahead of Clucko at this stage.
His kicking wasn't great on sunday. I thought it was poor to be honest.
For a team that prides themselves on fitness levels etc, McGuinness should get Durcan to do a few laps, the ned kelly on him, looks like he just hoped of the bar stool
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 08, 2012, 06:01:42 PM
For a team that prides themselves on fitness levels etc, McGuinness should get Durcan to do a few laps, the ned kelly on him, looks like he just hoped of the bar stool
it's called being physically imposing doncha know. ;)
+ hasn't appeared to affect his performance any. for a big man, 6 ft 5", he gets done so quickly and his reactions are first rate, the save v the dubs in league being a good example of this... excellent shot stopper and has made some really important saves for us.
can't think of another keeper who's made as important saves as him.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 08, 2012, 04:52:02 PM
Quote from: ross4life on August 08, 2012, 03:15:39 PM
Unless he has a woeful game v Cork Paul Durcan is nailed on for All-star. The back six will be the hardest to pick probably a mixture between the final four. Barry Moran should get one of the midfield spots in the forwards McFadden,Mark McHugh look certain while Alan Dillion is having his best year since 2004. Laois or Tipp may get one for their efforts.
How many points has he kicked? You know he is up against the greatest goalie in thehistory of gaelic games ever since the start of time?
Maybe I'm way off the mark but isn't it up to forwards to mainly kick points ? The job of th goalie is to stop goals and do good kickouts. If dublin dont have enough free takers or 45 takers without calling up their goalkeeper, that isnt Paul Durcans fault.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 08, 2012, 06:01:42 PM
For a team that prides themselves on fitness levels etc, McGuinness should get Durcan to do a few laps, the ned kelly on him, looks like he just hoped of the bar stool
His look is deceptive but he has had some good games this year. Not his fault but Cluxton has had much to do to stand out this year.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 08, 2012, 06:01:42 PM
For a team that prides themselves on fitness levels etc, McGuinness should get Durcan to do a few laps, the ned kelly on him, looks like he just hoped of the bar stool
To be fair to durcan he continues to amaze me. the way he can get down so quick for his size still shocks me... he's 6ft 5 but makes some unbelievable saves.
Rory Kavanagh must be in with a shout in midfield, he has always had skill in abundance but this has been the most consistent year I have seen him have.
Durcan is streets ahead at the moment. Mc Hugh, McFadden, are v close to certainties
Quote from: donegal_abu on August 08, 2012, 09:23:49 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 08, 2012, 06:01:42 PM
For a team that prides themselves on fitness levels etc, McGuinness should get Durcan to do a few laps, the ned kelly on him, looks like he just hoped of the bar stool
To be fair to durcan he continues to amaze me. the way he can get down so quick for his size still shocks me... he's 6ft 5 but makes some unbelievable saves.
Still, I think the earlier point was entirely valid in that he would probably be a better keeper if he shed some weight.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 09, 2012, 08:52:18 AM
Quote from: donegal_abu on August 08, 2012, 09:23:49 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 08, 2012, 06:01:42 PM
For a team that prides themselves on fitness levels etc, McGuinness should get Durcan to do a few laps, the ned kelly on him, looks like he just hoped of the bar stool
To be fair to durcan he continues to amaze me. the way he can get down so quick for his size still shocks me... he's 6ft 5 but makes some unbelievable saves.
Is he asthmatic I wonder? Often big lads that can t breathe too well play between the sticks when they re young.
Still, I think the earlier point was entirely valid in that he would probably be a better keeper if he shed some weight.
Does he live in Dublin or in Donegal?
What's people's thoughts on All Star midfielders this year?
It's a position that has changed a lot with the new defensive strategies and so the day of the high catches and long range point kicking seem to have gone.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 09, 2012, 08:52:18 AM
Quote from: donegal_abu on August 08, 2012, 09:23:49 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 08, 2012, 06:01:42 PM
For a team that prides themselves on fitness levels etc, McGuinness should get Durcan to do a few laps, the ned kelly on him, looks like he just hoped of the bar stool
To be fair to durcan he continues to amaze me. the way he can get down so quick for his size still shocks me... he's 6ft 5 but makes some unbelievable saves.
Still, I think the earlier point was entirely valid in that he would probably be a better keeper if he shed some weight.
Maybe he would but he's doing a damn good job as it is ! To answer someone elses question, hes working and living in Dublin as far as i'm aware.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 09, 2012, 02:40:39 PM
Does he live in Dublin or in Donegal?
What's people's thoughts on All Star midfielders this year?
It's a position that has changed a lot with the new defensive strategies and so the day of the high catches and long range point kicking seem to have gone.
It is a position that has changed, but to suggest their is no high catching is way off the mark, the catches are now challenged less due to the keepers accuracy and also the tactics used to create space to win the kickout clean, but the most inaccurate aspect of your post is the suggestion of long range point kicking, indeed I ask myself what have you been watching, long range point taking is very much alive and IMO better then it has ever been. Sundays game with Donegal and Kerry no better a point to prove it on. The blanket defense has had the positive impact of making footballers practise this aspect of kicking long range more offen and accurate than in the past.
QuoteStill, I think the earlier point was entirely valid in that he would probably be a better keeper if he shed some weight.
With the change in the rules re. the Square Ball, his height and bulk would be useful. Weight is not an issue as the most important thing is reaction time and his reading of the game. So far they are spot on.
All Star nominations
Goalkeepers: David Clarke (Mayo); Stephen Cluxton (Dublin); Paul Durcan (Donegal).
Full Backs: Eoin Cadogan (Cork); Ger Cafferkey (Mayo); Keith Higgins (Mayo); Donal Keogan (Meath); Eamon McGee (Donegal)Neil McGee (Donegal); Paddy McGrath (Donegal); Rory O'Carroll (Dublin); Michael Shields (Cork)
Half backs: Emmet Bolton (Kildare); Colm Boyle (Mayo); Adrian Flynn (Wexford); Lee Keegan (Mayo); Karl Lacey (Donegal) Frank McGlynn (Donegal); Kevin Nolan (Dublin); Michael Quinn (Longford); Anthony Thompson (Donegal)
Midfielders: Neil Gallagher (Donegal); Rory Kavanagh (Donegal); Barry Moran (Mayo) Aidan O'Shea (Mayo); Brendan Quigley (Laois); Aidan Walsh (Cork)
Half Forwards: Paul Barden (Longford); Alan Dillon (Mayo); Paul Flynn (Dub); Paul Kerrigan (Cork) Michael Darragh Macauley (Dublin) Mark McHugh (Donegal); Kevin McLoughlin (Mayo); Graham Reilly (Meath); Ciarán Sheehan (Cork)
Full forwards: Bernard Brogan (Dublin); Jamie Clarke (Armagh); Colm Cooper (Kerry) Conor Laverty (Down); Colm McFadden (Donegal); Andy Moran (Mayo) Michael Murphy (Donegal); Donncha O'Connor (Cork); Colm O'Neill (Cork)
How does Jamie Clarke get nominated in every All Star list going? If he sat out a season I'd still be pretty confident that he'd get his customary nomination...
Quote from: ross4life on October 03, 2012, 12:40:45 AM
All Star nominations
Goalkeepers: David Clarke (Mayo); Stephen Cluxton (Dublin); Paul Durcan (Donegal).
Full Backs: Eoin Cadogan (Cork); Ger Cafferkey (Mayo); Keith Higgins (Mayo); Donal Keogan (Meath); Eamon McGee (Donegal)Neil McGee (Donegal); Paddy McGrath (Donegal); Rory O'Carroll (Dublin); Michael Shields (Cork)
Half backs: Emmet Bolton (Kildare); Colm Boyle (Mayo); Adrian Flynn (Wexford); Lee Keegan (Mayo); Karl Lacey (Donegal) Frank McGlynn (Donegal); Kevin Nolan (Dublin); Michael Quinn (Longford); Anthony Thompson (Donegal)
Midfielders: Neil Gallagher (Donegal); Rory Kavanagh (Donegal); Barry Moran (Mayo) Aidan O'Shea (Mayo); Brendan Quigley (Laois); Aidan Walsh (Cork)
Half Forwards: Paul Barden (Longford); Alan Dillon (Mayo); Paul Flynn (Dub); Paul Kerrigan (Cork) Michael Darragh Macauley (Dublin) Mark McHugh (Donegal); Kevin McLoughlin (Mayo); Graham Reilly (Meath); Ciarán Sheehan (Cork)
Full forwards: Bernard Brogan (Dublin); Jamie Clarke (Armagh); Colm Cooper (Kerry) Conor Laverty (Down); Colm McFadden (Donegal); Andy Moran (Mayo) Michael Murphy (Donegal); Donncha O'Connor (Cork); Colm O'Neill (Cork)
Durcan over Clarke really grinds my gears. He had pratically only had 1 save to make all summer ffs.
No nominations for Antrim.
When is the last time Cavan won an all-Star ?
Quote from: seafoid on October 03, 2012, 08:36:42 AM
No nominations for Antrim.
When is the last time Cavan won an all-Star ?
Big dermot mc cabe in 97 If I remember correctly
neil gallagher coming back from injury to play like he has has been a great story. we needed him to stand up and he did. from being little considered country wide, he's now right up there as one of the best midfielders in the game.
+ durcan over clarke, just. when clarke had saves to make in the final, he didn't. one out of three when it counted. of the goals that went in, you'd have to say that mcfadden's goal, although a good goal and hard to save, was more saveable than murphy's. he could have kept mayo in it there and didn't. save that and he's the all star keeper. but there isn't much between them.
Mark McHugh at half forward :D
I think they need an 'Other' category at this stage
This is what the commitae will pick imo
Paul Durcan (Donegal)
Neil McGee (Donegal); Ger Cafferkey (Mayo); Keith Higgins (Mayo)
Lee Keegan (Mayo); Karl Lacey (Donegal); Frank McGlynn (Donegal)
Neil Gallagher (Donegal); Aidan Walsh (Cork)
Mark McHugh (Donegal); Michael Darragh Macauley (Dublin); Kevin McLoughlin (Mayo);
Colm McFadden (Donegal); Michael Murphy (Donegal); Colm O'Neill (Cork)
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 03, 2012, 09:22:42 AM
This is what the commitae will pick imo
Paul Durcan (Donegal)
Ger Cafferkey (Mayo); Keith Higgins (Mayo); Neil McGee (Donegal);
Lee Keegan (Mayo); Karl Lacey (Donegal); Frank McGlynn (Donegal)
Neil Gallagher (Donegal); Aidan Walsh (Cork)
Mark McHugh (Donegal); Michael Darragh Macauley (Dublin); Kevin McLoughlin (Mayo);
Colm McFadden (Donegal); Michael Murphy (Donegal); Colm O'Neill (Cork)
+1
Still think Clarkey is a better keeper than Durcan. I understand what your saying about the McFadden goal Cadence but Durcan wasn't tested enough to warrant an all star IMO.
I'd say if he kept a clean sheet in the final he'd be in with a right shout as the commitae would have form in not selecting a keeper playing behind a solid defence where they overlooked James McGarry for years in the hurling.
Quote from: screenmachine on October 03, 2012, 07:32:38 AM
How does Jamie Clarke get nominated in every All Star list going? If he sat out a season I'd still be pretty confident that he'd get his customary nomination...
Weird post. Are you completely ignoring the club championship earlier in the year? Are you saying that he isn't in the top nine full forwards in the country? Just because Armagh had a sh1t year doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a nomination.
Quote from: mackers on October 03, 2012, 09:39:06 AM
Quote from: screenmachine on October 03, 2012, 07:32:38 AM
How does Jamie Clarke get nominated in every All Star list going? If he sat out a season I'd still be pretty confident that he'd get his customary nomination...
Weird post. Are you completely ignoring the club championship earlier in the year? Are you saying that he isn't in the top nine full forwards in the country? Just because Armagh had a sh1t year doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a nomination.
Do the nominations really take club performances into account, what if you played great for club and weren't on the county panel! Surely the All Stars are based on County performances alone.
Eh, yes I am completely ignoring the club championship, surely this should be based on performances at County level only. By your reckoning Liam Watson should at least be nominated for player of the year then with his performances in the club All Ireland series?
Don't get me wrong, but Jamie Clarke is an outstanding talent but himself and Armagh didn't cut much mustard this year so I can't see where the nomination has came from. Maybe it's his pals in the Irish News who swing the vote for him... ;)
I think it will be.... (BTW why is Frank McGlynn nominated as a half back and why is Bernard Brogan nominated at all?)
Paul Durcan,
Keith Higgins,
Neil McGee
Eamon McGee
Adrian Flynn
Karl Lacey
Frank McGlynn
Rory Kavanagh
Barry Moran
Mark McHugh
Kevin McLoughlin
Alan Dillon
Colm McFadden
Michael Murphy
Andy Moran
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 03, 2012, 10:27:27 AM
I think it will be.... (BTW why is Frank McGlynn nominated as a half back and why is Bernard Brogan nominated at all?)
Paul Durcan,
Keith Higgins,
Neil McGee
Eamon McGee
Adrian Flynn
Karl Lacey
Frank McGlynn
Rory Kavanagh
Barry Moran
Mark McHugh
Kevin McLoughlin
Alan Dillon
Colm McFadden
Michael Murphy
Andy Moran
Is it not based on County appearances only? The All Stars is flawed obviously as in my opinion Jamie Clarke was better than the majority of forwards, if not them all, in the games that he played. But as Armagh has a short summer, he isn't going to get an award. Bernard Brogan didn't play amazing in every game, but I would like to see the stats on what he scored from play this year and see the actual top scorers from play stats to see how that reads. As we all know by now its the teams who get towards late August/September that are rewarded, when in reality it shoudln't be like that. If you look at the performances of Conor Laverty, Paul Barden, Jamie Clarke or Joe McMahon this summer then they should really be getting All Stars but as they didn't feature in the business end of the season they won't get a mention.
Quote from: Cold tea on October 03, 2012, 09:57:49 AM
Quote from: mackers on October 03, 2012, 09:39:06 AM
Quote from: screenmachine on October 03, 2012, 07:32:38 AM
How does Jamie Clarke get nominated in every All Star list going? If he sat out a season I'd still be pretty confident that he'd get his customary nomination...
Weird post. Are you completely ignoring the club championship earlier in the year? Are you saying that he isn't in the top nine full forwards in the country? Just because Armagh had a sh1t year doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a nomination.
what about Junior C players? Don't they deserve all stars as well?
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 03, 2012, 10:27:27 AM
I think it will be.... (BTW why is Frank McGlynn nominated as a half back and why is Bernard Brogan nominated at all?)
Paul Durcan,
Keith Higgins,
Neil McGee
Eamon McGee
Adrian Flynn
Karl Lacey
Frank McGlynn
Rory Kavanagh
Barry Moran
Mark McHugh
Kevin McLoughlin
Alan Dillon
Colm McFadden
Michael Murphy
Andy Moran
Usually done I find to fit the 15 players they want into the team. That's why TSG selected McHugh in the traditional half back position.
Quote from: ballinaman on October 03, 2012, 08:00:11 AM
Durcan over Clarke really grinds my gears. He had pratically only had 1 save to make all summer ffs.
Performance under the high ball - Durkan
Kick-out's - Durkan
Saves are not the only part of a keepers job and these days I'd say the kick-outs are the most important. Durkan has worked hard to get to the point where the accuracy of his kickouts are second only to the ever-nominated-one.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 03, 2012, 10:39:04 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 03, 2012, 10:27:27 AM
I think it will be.... (BTW why is Frank McGlynn nominated as a half back and why is Bernard Brogan nominated at all?)
Paul Durcan,
Keith Higgins,
Neil McGee
Eamon McGee
Adrian Flynn
Karl Lacey
Frank McGlynn
Rory Kavanagh
Barry Moran
Mark McHugh
Kevin McLoughlin
Alan Dillon
Colm McFadden
Michael Murphy
Andy Moran
Is it not based on County appearances only? The All Stars is flawed obviously as in my opinion Jamie Clarke was better than the majority of forwards, if not them all, in the games that he played. But as Armagh has a short summer, he isn't going to get an award. Bernard Brogan didn't play amazing in every game, but I would like to see the stats on what he scored from play this year and see the actual top scorers from play stats to see how that reads. As we all know by now its the teams who get towards late August/September that are rewarded, when in reality it shoudln't be like that. If you look at the performances of Conor Laverty, Paul Barden, Jamie Clarke or Joe McMahon this summer then they should really be getting All Stars but as they didn't feature in the business end of the season they won't get a mention.
I think Jamie Clarke is class, as is Gooch, but I think the All Stars is primarily recognition of how you performed in the IC championship this year. Obviously a short summer will affect how that is percieved, although I think Adrian Flynn from Wexford has a chance. Rightly, or wrongly, (wrongly in my opinion) the IC leagues and Club championships get only token consideration.
Darragh Ó Sé doesnt include Mark McHugh in his team of the year and does include Aidan O'Mahoney!!! ???
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/1003/1224324774352.html
Quote from: ballinaman on October 03, 2012, 08:00:11 AM
Durcan over Clarke really grinds my gears. He had pratically only had 1 save to make all summer ffs.
Off the top of my head....
Reflex, close range save v Derry
THAT save against Donnelly
Late diving save against Down
Pretty sure there were more, including against Tyrone..
Throw in almost zero mistakes, excellent kickouts and excellence under high ball..
He's cone a long way, has Durcan.
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 03, 2012, 10:58:50 AM
Darragh Ó Sé doesnt include Mark McHugh in his team of the year and does include Aidan O'Mahoney!!! ???
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/1003/1224324774352.html
Dara manages to mention "Kerry" 12 times in the article, enough said.
The real curiousity with the nominees is that 6 Leinster counties have nominees.
I know they play some class of Leinster championship that one team has dominated for ten years and won one All Ireland, but nominations for players from the likes of Meath and Wexford and Longford, while there are none from Limerick or Tipperary or Clare or Galway or Leitrim suggests the Leinster-bias continues unabated.
6 Leinster counties have nominees
3 Ulster
2 Munster
1 Connacht.
Not sure of your point there. Limerick, Tipp or Clare or Leitrim hardly deserved one, and I doubt too many Galway lads are surprised given the year they had. Longford, Wexford and Meath all performed fairly well, and the likes of Paul Barden, Adrian Flynn and others played well in that run. Leinster teams did fairly well in the qualifiers against non-Leinster opponents, and Leinster provided 3 of the 8 quarter finalists, and so I don't think they are over-represented. At the end of the day the awards will be split between the Champions, the runners up, and a few token awards. Like every other year.
Yerra, I'd have thought the Tipperary must have had a few notable individual performances in winning 3 Qualifier matches.
No harm to Longford, but they get 2 nominations and none for the likes of Tipp.
Mustn't be many Tipp journos on the selection committee...
Longford didn't beat teams of the calibre that Tipp did.
But you're right AZ, it will all come down to the semi-finalists.
It's just bizarre to see so many Leinster counties get nominations.
Quote from: seafoid on October 03, 2012, 10:41:01 AM
Quote from: Cold tea on October 03, 2012, 09:57:49 AM
Quote from: mackers on October 03, 2012, 09:39:06 AM
Quote from: screenmachine on October 03, 2012, 07:32:38 AM
How does Jamie Clarke get nominated in every All Star list going? If he sat out a season I'd still be pretty confident that he'd get his customary nomination...
Weird post. Are you completely ignoring the club championship earlier in the year? Are you saying that he isn't in the top nine full forwards in the country? Just because Armagh had a sh1t year doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a nomination.
what about Junior C players? Don't they deserve all stars as well?
Don't be a bollox.........
I see it being
Donegal 7
Mayo 5
Cork/Dublin 3
And nobody else, I can't see how they could leave out any of the all Ireland finalists this year and leave in anyone who didn't make the semis. Would u have Flynn over any of the Donegal HBs for this year? Or Quigley ahead of Moran/Gallagher? I wouldn't
Quote from: ross4life on October 03, 2012, 12:40:45 AM
All Star nominations
Goalkeepers: David Clarke (Mayo); Stephen Cluxton (Dublin); Paul Durcan (Donegal).
Full Backs: Eoin Cadogan (Cork); Ger Cafferkey (Mayo); Keith Higgins (Mayo); Donal Keogan (Meath); Eamon McGee (Donegal)Neil McGee (Donegal); Paddy McGrath (Donegal); Rory O’Carroll (Dublin); Michael Shields (Cork)
Half backs: Emmet Bolton (Kildare); Colm Boyle (Mayo); Adrian Flynn (Wexford); Lee Keegan (Mayo); Karl Lacey (Donegal) Frank McGlynn (Donegal); Kevin Nolan (Dublin); Michael Quinn (Longford); Anthony Thompson (Donegal)
Midfielders: Neil Gallagher (Donegal); Rory Kavanagh (Donegal); Barry Moran (Mayo) Aidan O’Shea (Mayo); Brendan Quigley (Laois); Aidan Walsh (Cork)
Half Forwards: Paul Barden (Longford); Alan Dillon (Mayo); Paul Flynn (Dub); Paul Kerrigan (Cork) Michael Darragh Macauley (Dublin) Mark McHugh (Donegal); Kevin McLoughlin (Mayo); Graham Reilly (Meath); Ciarán Sheehan (Cork)
Full forwards: Bernard Brogan (Dublin); Jamie Clarke (Armagh); Colm Cooper (Kerry) Conor Laverty (Down); Colm McFadden (Donegal); Andy Moran (Mayo) Michael Murphy (Donegal); Donncha O’Connor (Cork); Colm O’Neill (Cork)
not a Derry man in sight.
Why is Mark McHugh continuously listed in nominations and awards as a half-forward? think only the Sunday Game team of the year had him as a defender. Fine player
makings a quare compromised rules team ;-)
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on October 03, 2012, 02:44:23 PM
I see it being
Donegal 7
Mayo 5
Cork/Dublin 3
And nobody else, I can't see how they could leave out any of the all Ireland finalists this year and leave in anyone who didn't make the semis. Would u have Flynn over any of the Donegal HBs for this year? Or Quigley ahead of Moran/Gallagher? I wouldn't
Never watched Quigley thus year, but say he played in 3 matches and had 3 stormers. That should be enough for an All Star by definition of the award name. Paul Barden seemed to be the best player on the pitch in any game he played this year, but should he not get an All Star simply due to the fact that someone else played more games than him yet maybe didn't shine as brightly as he did? The awards should be simply picked on who was the best player in each position. How many games did Eoin Cadogan play this year? Only watched him maybe a few times and for me he was as good a defender as there was about. Surprised Joe McMahon didn't get a nomination either.
Usually dara o se talks a bit of sense in his column.........but leaving Mark McHugh out of his team!! And of course replacing him with a Kerry man?? Mark McHugh would nw in my top 3 players of the year but big Dara wouldn't have him in top fifteen, I mean I maybe away out of order but.............. Dara you are a tube!! There I said.
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 03, 2012, 10:27:27 AM
I think it will be.... (BTW why is Frank McGlynn nominated as a half back and why is Bernard Brogan nominated at all?)
Paul Durcan,
Keith Higgins,
Neil McGee
Eamon McGee
Adrian Flynn
Karl Lacey
Frank McGlynn
Rory Kavanagh
Barry Moran
Mark McHugh
Kevin McLoughlin
Alan Dillon
Colm McFadden
Michael Murphy
Andy Moran
Would agree with those selections apart from the two Moran's. Colm O'Neill,Cooper, Donncha O'Connor had a better year than Andy Moran actually Cillian O'Connor should have been nominated instead of him & while Barry Moran deserves one i think they will give it to Walsh instead.
Quote from: theticklemister on October 03, 2012, 05:01:27 PM
Usually dara o se talks a bit of sense in his column.........but leaving Mark McHugh out of his team!! And of course replacing him with a Kerry man?? Mark McHugh would nw in my top 3 players of the year but big Dara wouldn't have him in top fifteen, I mean I maybe away out of order but.............. Dara you are a tube!! There I said.
Well,the man is entitled to his opinion !
Largely agree with the selections but find the inclusion of Michael Quinn ahead of his clubmate Sean McCormack a bit hard to understand. McCormack kicked 0-33 in 5 games and won man of the match on 3 occasions. Quinn came back from Aus with an enhanced reputation but took a long time to establish himself into anyone position on the Longford team. Just seems a little odd.
The inclusion of Brogan beggars belief, prob a cut and paste job from last year and forgot to delete him.......
Quote from: JHume on October 03, 2012, 02:17:02 PM
Yerra, I'd have thought the Tipperary must have had a few notable individual performances in winning 3 Qualifier matches.
No harm to Longford, but they get 2 nominations and none for the likes of Tipp.
Mustn't be many Tipp journos on the selection committee...
Longford didn't beat teams of the calibre that Tipp did.
But you're right AZ, it will all come down to the semi-finalists.
It's just bizarre to see so many Leinster counties get nominations.
I know we all watch football through our own county coloured glasses, but from a Tipp point of view, I reckon that Ciaran McDonald was worth a nomination in the full back line. We did beat 2 Leinster counties, including Wexford, in the qualifiers, but in all likelihood most of the selectors for the All Star nominations probably never heard of him. On the other side of the coin 6 Tipperary hurlers were nominated and very few Tipp people would reckon that we deserved any where near that number. The hurling selectors must have missed the All Ireland semi final against Kilkenny, Tipp's heaviest defeat since the 1890's.
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 03, 2012, 12:14:52 PM
Not sure of your point there. Limerick, Tipp or Clare or Leitrim hardly deserved one, and I doubt too many Galway lads are surprised given the year they had. Longford, Wexford and Meath all performed fairly well, and the likes of Paul Barden, Adrian Flynn and others played well in that run. Leinster teams did fairly well in the qualifiers against non-Leinster opponents, and Leinster provided 3 of the 8 quarter finalists, and so I don't think they are over-represented. At the end of the day the awards will be split between the Champions, the runners up, and a few token awards. Like every other year.
I saw Leitrim play once and Emlyn Mulligan was outstanding on a besten team. A class act.
Quote from: seafoid on October 03, 2012, 08:36:42 AM
No nominations for Antrim.
When is the last time Cavan won an all-Star ?
Defo deserved one. Especially if Longford etc are getting them.
Hilarious that Jamie Clarke got a nomination after playing good in one game (Tyrone) and then fantastic for 30 minutes and being marked out of the rest of the only other game he played. Gooch likewise I struggle to understand. Nominations based on talent and not performance. If we're going down that route Cathal Cregg deserved to be nominated.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 03, 2012, 02:52:55 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on October 03, 2012, 02:44:23 PM
I see it being
Donegal 7
Mayo 5
Cork/Dublin 3
And nobody else, I can't see how they could leave out any of the all Ireland finalists this year and leave in anyone who didn't make the semis. Would u have Flynn over any of the Donegal HBs for this year? Or Quigley ahead of Moran/Gallagher? I wouldn't
Never watched Quigley thus year, but say he played in 3 matches and had 3 stormers. That should be enough for an All Star by definition of the award name. Paul Barden seemed to be the best player on the pitch in any game he played this year, but should he not get an All Star simply due to the fact that someone else played more games than him yet maybe didn't shine as brightly as he did? The awards should be simply picked on who was the best player in each position. How many games did Eoin Cadogan play this year? Only watched him maybe a few times and for me he was as good a defender as there was about. Surprised Joe McMahon didn't get a nomination either.
Think you have to take into account the quality of the opposition too.
Imagine Mayo were to play London, Carlow and Leitrim and a mayo man was to get MOTM in all three games and score 10 points a game you could hardly call for an all-star?
Quote from: moysider on October 03, 2012, 09:52:38 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 03, 2012, 12:14:52 PM
Not sure of your point there. Limerick, Tipp or Clare or Leitrim hardly deserved one, and I doubt too many Galway lads are surprised given the year they had. Longford, Wexford and Meath all performed fairly well, and the likes of Paul Barden, Adrian Flynn and others played well in that run. Leinster teams did fairly well in the qualifiers against non-Leinster opponents, and Leinster provided 3 of the 8 quarter finalists, and so I don't think they are over-represented. At the end of the day the awards will be split between the Champions, the runners up, and a few token awards. Like every other year.
I saw Leitrim play once and Emlyn Mulligan was outstanding on a besten team. A class act.
He played well v London,Laois,Wicklow aswell & the other week he scored 1-7 for his club. Good to see Emlyn return to form after his injury lay offs, If i were to pick the best Connacht 15 Mulligan would be on it.
Quote from: Syferus on October 03, 2012, 10:19:19 PM
Hilarious that Jamie Clarke got a nomination after playing good in one game (Tyrone) and then fantastic for 30 minutes and being marked out of the rest of the only other game he played. Gooch likewise I struggle to understand. Nominations based on talent and not performance. If we're going down that route Cathal Cregg deserved to be nominated.
WHO?
Quote from: Gold on October 03, 2012, 10:17:24 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 03, 2012, 08:36:42 AM
No nominations for Antrim.
When is the last time Cavan won an all-Star ?
Defo deserved one. Especially if Longford etc are getting them.
They don't deserve any if they've supporters like you, gobshite.
How could anyone who knows anything about football question a nomination for Paul Barden?
I've done a Team of the Year article for LiveGaelic if anyone's interested in taking a look, it includes a hearty guffaw at Bernard Brogan's nomination obv.
http://www.livegaelic.com/features/team-of-the-year-by-livegaelic-com/
I don't understand how McGee and Keogan are definite for the full back line.
McGee gets so much protection and yet was still well beaten by Colm O'Neill in the semi. I'll admit that I haven't seen Keogan play but beating Doyle and McMenoman in the early rounds isn't overly impressive (not able for full forward and 9rd choice forward by the end of the year respectively).
For me Higgins and Cafferkey have to included. As they went one-on-one with some quality full forwards and won.
It is just the hurling all stars that is televised this year isn't it ? Think they take it year about.
Just reading the Irish News article on all stars today. Frank McGlynn had the highest average rating out of all the Donegal players.
Football all stars announced tomorrow then ?
Leaks that Higgins, Cafferky,Keegan,Dillon have got them. Harsh on Moran as Walsh gets midfield.
2012 GAA GPA Football All-Stars sponsored by Opel
Goalkeeper
1. Paul Durcan (Donegal)
Full back line
2. Neil McGee (Donegal)
3. Ger Cafferkey (Mayo)
4. Keith Higgins (Mayo)
Half back line
5. Lee Keegan (Mayo)
6. Karl Lacey (Donegal)
7. Frank McGlynn (Donegal)
Midfield
8. Neil Gallagher (Donegal)
9. Aidan Walsh (Cork)
Half forward line
10. Paul Flynn (Dublin)
11. Alan Dillon (Mayo)
12. Mark McHugh (Donegal)
Full forward line
13. Colm O'Neill (Cork)
14. Michael Murphy (Donegal)
15. Colm McFadden (Donegal)
Kevin McLoughlin is very unlucky in my opinion.
Think they are deserving except one
Paul flynn??? Don't think so
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 24, 2012, 08:42:48 PM
2012 GAA GPA Football All-Stars sponsored by Opel
Goalkeeper
1. Paul Durcan (Donegal)
Full back line
2. Neil McGee (Donegal)
3. Ger Cafferkey (Mayo)
4. Keith Higgins (Mayo)
Half back line
5. Lee Keegan (Mayo)
6. Karl Lacey (Donegal)
7. Frank McGlynn (Donegal)
Midfield
8. Neil Gallagher (Donegal)
9. Aidan Walsh (Cork)
Half forward line
10. Paul Flynn (Dublin)
11. Alan Dillon (Mayo)
12. Mark McHugh (Donegal)
Full forward line
13. Colm O'Neill (Cork)
14. Michael Murphy (Donegal)
15. Colm McFadden (Donegal)
Kevin McLoughlin is very unlucky in my opinion.
I agree; it was hard on Mac.
I thought he'd get there before Alan Dillon has he had a better game in the final but Flynn and McHugh are deserving of their awards.Wonder what Brolly will have to say about Dillon's selection.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 24, 2012, 08:42:48 PM
2012 GAA GPA Football All-Stars sponsored by Opel
Goalkeeper
1. Paul Durcan (Donegal)
Full back line
2. Neil McGee (Donegal)
3. Ger Cafferkey (Mayo)
4. Keith Higgins (Mayo)
Half back line
5. Lee Keegan (Mayo)
6. Karl Lacey (Donegal)
7. Frank McGlynn (Donegal)
Midfield
8. Neil Gallagher (Donegal)
9. Aidan Walsh (Cork)
Half forward line
10. Paul Flynn (Dublin)
11. Alan Dillon (Mayo)
12. Mark McHugh (Donegal)
Full forward line
13. Colm O'Neill (Cork)
14. Michael Murphy (Donegal)
15. Colm McFadden (Donegal)
Kevin McLoughlin is very unlucky in my opinion.
Kevin more than unlucky, was Mayos best player this year. Suppose the panel could not give Mayo more than 4 stars!
Looks like the only the provincial winners / AI semi finalists get All stars.
The most Mayo all-stars in a year since 1996. Even though he didn't play that well in the AI final or was well marked, Alan Dillon was Mayo's best forward this year and deserves his All star as does Cafferkey,Higgins.
Walsh,Flynn inclusions will bring plenty of debate but you can't pick all the players from the finalists.
I thought Walsh was deserving, had a great year,
But Flynn no way
I thought Anthony Thomspon had a massive year. Bound to have been unlucky.
No Kerry all star.
Quote from: ross4life on October 24, 2012, 09:18:42 PM
The most Mayo all-stars in a year since 1996. Even though he didn't play that well in the AI final or was well marked, Alan Dillon was Mayo's best forward this year and deserves his All star as does Cafferkey,Higgins.
Walsh,Flynn inclusions will bring plenty of debate but you can't pick all the players from the finalists.
Disagree, I'd go with Kevin McLoughlin, as would the majority in Mayo i'd say.
McLoughlin was Mayo's best player all year - consistently excellent.
I'd imagine the panel decided it was between him and McHugh with McHugh winning it. But that's not very fair either. The two of them are great players.
Delighted to see the 4 Mayo lads get theirs, especially Keegan - thought he was excellent all year also, but didn't think the panel would go for him as he's not a big name as such.
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 24, 2012, 09:20:44 PM
I thought Walsh was deserving, had a great year,
But Flynn no way
I would have thought McLoughlin would have gotten one ahead of Flynn, and Michael Darragh MaCauley ahead of Walsh in the middle
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 03, 2012, 09:22:42 AM
This is what the commitae will pick imo
Paul Durcan (Donegal)
Neil McGee (Donegal); Ger Cafferkey (Mayo); Keith Higgins (Mayo)
Lee Keegan (Mayo); Karl Lacey (Donegal); Frank McGlynn (Donegal)
Neil Gallagher (Donegal); Aidan Walsh (Cork)
Mark McHugh (Donegal); Michael Darragh Macauley (Dublin); Kevin McLoughlin (Mayo);
Colm McFadden (Donegal); Michael Murphy (Donegal); Colm O'Neill (Cork)
That's pretty impressive Croi!
13/15, and should have been a clean sweep as there's no doubt Macauley was better than Flynn for the Dubs and McLoughlin better than Dillon for Mayo.
Quote from: Hound on October 25, 2012, 09:42:09 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 03, 2012, 09:22:42 AM
This is what the commitae will pick imo
Paul Durcan (Donegal)
Neil McGee (Donegal); Ger Cafferkey (Mayo); Keith Higgins (Mayo)
Lee Keegan (Mayo); Karl Lacey (Donegal); Frank McGlynn (Donegal)
Neil Gallagher (Donegal); Aidan Walsh (Cork)
Mark McHugh (Donegal); Michael Darragh Macauley (Dublin); Kevin McLoughlin (Mayo);
Colm McFadden (Donegal); Michael Murphy (Donegal); Colm O'Neill (Cork)
That's pretty impressive Croi!
13/15, and should have been a clean sweep as there's no doubt Macauley was better than Flynn for the Dubs and McLoughlin better than Dillon for Mayo.
Thanks Hound, you can give a fairly accurate guess when you see what line people are nominated in. Flabbergasted McLoughlin didn't get one though I have to say.
McLaughlin suffered from the "Dublin Player needs an All Star every year syndrome".
How the f**k has McLoughlin not got an All Star, he was damn close to MOM in every game he played!
McLoughlin the obvious candidate but I do think Flynn was excellent all year and I'd have him in instead of McHugh myself
Decent selection this year. Would have had McLoughlin in ahead of Dillon though. Don't think Dillon had his best year to be honest.
(http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/579366_10151288491096042_785159012_n.jpg)
Jim McGuinness reacts to Donegal's haul of 8 All Stars on video from Casement Park today: tinyurl.com/cvzdxqh (http://tinyurl.com/cvzdxqh)
Shouldn t get annoyed because I gave up on the All-Stars years ago. But........
The non-selection of McLoughlin is a joke. Unfortunately makes these awards even more incredible.
Much more deserving than any of the Mayo lads that did get them. Keegan being next most deserving imo.
First time since 2003 no animals.
Mark McHugh wing back All-star instead of Keegan and Kevin Mcloughlin wing forward All-Star. everyone happy then?
While there is one glaring omission in my view that's one of the best jobs they've done in picking the all stars in years.
There are usually a lot more mistakes.
I think walsh is a great pick too - i think he could well turn into one of the best midfielders of his era a la dara o'se / mcdermott / tohill.
Flynn is debatable and arguably the token dub while dillon probably got it on having more "profile".
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 25, 2012, 09:19:34 PM
Mark McHugh wing back All-star instead of Keegan and Kevin Mcloughlin wing forward All-Star. everyone happy then?
Er no. McHugh did not play wing back or wing forward. Obviously Keegan is a much better no.5 and McLoughlin a much better 12. Not arguing about selecting McHugh but his jersey no. was irrelevant. So he could just as well have been picked at 3, 4 or midfield. If he was picked at the expense of Higgins or Caff. it would be more accectable than shafting McLoughlin.
McLoughlin and Keegan should have been the Mayo autos.
Quote from: ONeill on October 25, 2012, 08:39:31 PM
First time since 2003 no animals.
The backlash will be fierce.
Quote from: hardstation on October 25, 2012, 10:48:42 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 25, 2012, 10:21:27 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 25, 2012, 09:19:34 PM
Mark McHugh wing back All-star instead of Keegan and Kevin Mcloughlin wing forward All-Star. everyone happy then?
Er no. McHugh did not play wing back or wing forward. Obviously Keegan is a much better no.5 and McLoughlin a much better 12. Not arguing about selecting McHugh but his jersey no. was irrelevant. So he could just as well have been picked at 3, 4 or midfield. If he was picked at the expense of Higgins or Caff. it would be more accectable than shafting McLoughlin.
McLoughlin and Keegan should have been the Mayo autos.
That pisses me off. When the Sunday Game panel were picking their team, they picked players all over the shop. These players should be picked according to the number on their back. If Mark McHugh ran up and down the pitch in every game and was very effective in doing so, that is just how the role of a wing half forward has developed. There will come a day when no goalkeeper is selected but a corner forward is stuck in in his place.
Nonsense. Load of shite if you think about it Hardstation. McHugh could have been wearing no 15 and McFadden or Murphy 12 and his role and Donegal s shape would have been the same. McHugh s role in Donegal s set-up not necessarily the be all. They could have hung any jersey on him. Time for squad numbers I reckon!
As for your idea of selecting a cornerforward instead of keeper - well fine! I suspect McHugh role (12 or15 wtf) was as effective in keeping Donegal goal proof as that of the keeper!
All I m saying is that if McHugh had to be selected - and he had of course - it should not have been at the expense of McLoughlin. McLoughlin should have been the first of the hfs and then negotiate. The fact that it turned out like this just makes a joke of the whole awards. But they ve been flawed for some time. Just that this is a new low.
If Mayo did manage to win the AI this year McLoughlin would have been in the running for player of the year. He would have been the leading Mayo player in contention. I doubt many Mayos would argue with that?
Quote from: moysider on October 25, 2012, 11:29:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 25, 2012, 10:48:42 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 25, 2012, 10:21:27 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 25, 2012, 09:19:34 PM
Mark McHugh wing back All-star instead of Keegan and Kevin Mcloughlin wing forward All-Star. everyone happy then?
Er no. McHugh did not play wing back or wing forward. Obviously Keegan is a much better no.5 and McLoughlin a much better 12. Not arguing about selecting McHugh but his jersey no. was irrelevant. So he could just as well have been picked at 3, 4 or midfield. If he was picked at the expense of Higgins or Caff. it would be more accectable than shafting McLoughlin.
McLoughlin and Keegan should have been the Mayo autos.
That pisses me off. When the Sunday Game panel were picking their team, they picked players all over the shop. These players should be picked according to the number on their back. If Mark McHugh ran up and down the pitch in every game and was very effective in doing so, that is just how the role of a wing half forward has developed. There will come a day when no goalkeeper is selected but a corner forward is stuck in in his place.
Nonsense. Load of shite if you think about it Hardstation. McHugh could have been wearing no 15 and McFadden or Murphy 12 and his role and Donegal s shape would have been the same. McHugh s role in Donegal s set-up not necessarily the be all. They could have hung any jersey on him. Time for squad numbers I reckon!
As for your idea of selecting a cornerforward instead of keeper - well fine! I suspect McHugh role (12 or15 wtf) was as effective in keeping Donegal goal proof as that of the keeper!
All I m saying is that if McHugh had to be selected - and he had of course - it should not have been at the expense of McLoughlin. McLoughlin should have been the first of the hfs and then negotiate. The fact that it turned out like this just makes a joke of the whole awards. But they ve been flawed for some time. Just that this is a new low.
If Mayo did manage to win the AI this year McLoughlin would have been in the running for player of the year. He would have been the leading Mayo player in contention. I doubt many Mayos would argue with that?
Why are you linking McHugh's selection with McLoughlin's omission? Sure there is as good an argument about McLoughlin over Dillon as there is over McHugh.
And I reckon the "a new low" cry has been uttered every year of the all stars.
Quote from: moysider on October 25, 2012, 11:29:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 25, 2012, 10:48:42 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 25, 2012, 10:21:27 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 25, 2012, 09:19:34 PM
Mark McHugh wing back All-star instead of Keegan and Kevin Mcloughlin wing forward All-Star. everyone happy then?
Er no. McHugh did not play wing back or wing forward. Obviously Keegan is a much better no.5 and McLoughlin a much better 12. Not arguing about selecting McHugh but his jersey no. was irrelevant. So he could just as well have been picked at 3, 4 or midfield. If he was picked at the expense of Higgins or Caff. it would be more accectable than shafting McLoughlin.
McLoughlin and Keegan should have been the Mayo autos.
That pisses me off. When the Sunday Game panel were picking their team, they picked players all over the shop. These players should be picked according to the number on their back. If Mark McHugh ran up and down the pitch in every game and was very effective in doing so, that is just how the role of a wing half forward has developed. There will come a day when no goalkeeper is selected but a corner forward is stuck in in his place.
Nonsense. Load of shite if you think about it Hardstation. McHugh could have been wearing no 15 and McFadden or Murphy 12 and his role and Donegal s shape would have been the same. McHugh s role in Donegal s set-up not necessarily the be all. They could have hung any jersey on him. Time for squad numbers I reckon!
As for your idea of selecting a cornerforward instead of keeper - well fine! I suspect McHugh role (12 or15 wtf) was as effective in keeping Donegal goal proof as that of the keeper!
All I m saying is that if McHugh had to be selected - and he had of course - it should not have been at the expense of McLoughlin. McLoughlin should have been the first of the hfs and then negotiate. The fact that it turned out like this just makes a joke of the whole awards. But they ve been flawed for some time. Just that this is a new low.
If Mayo did manage to win the AI this year McLoughlin would have been in the running for player of the year. He would have been the leading Mayo player in contention. I doubt many Mayos would argue with that?
Why would you not pick a guy that started every game at half forward in the position he started?
If he'd have been picked in the FF line, the FB line or any line he never played in then it would have been a joke to the FFs, coener backs etc. To pick him where he started all his games is what they should be doing and did.
The "modern" half forward is a role that has evolved very much ever since Brian Dooher. McHugh was probably the most effective WHF about this year.
Like is said above the biggest thing to me here is why wasn't the guy picked over Dillon? McHugh was a no brainer and was never getting picked in any other line at any stage and rightly so.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 25, 2012, 09:26:36 PM
While there is one glaring omission in my view that's one of the best jobs they've done in picking the all stars in years.
There are usually a lot more mistakes.
I think walsh is a great pick too - i think he could well turn into one of the best midfielders of his era a la dara o'se / mcdermott / tohill.
Flynn is debatable and arguably the token dub while dillon probably got it on having more "profile".
Aidan Walsh has the look of a Whelan for me, great it fits and starts but not consistent, I hope he proves me wrong
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 25, 2012, 10:45:47 AM
McLaughlin suffered from the "Dublin Player needs an All Star every year syndrome".
It was him or McCauley........................
that was some pure cringy stuff they had at the start with daly and o se
Quote from: Billys Boots on October 04, 2012, 08:55:31 AM
Quote from: Gold on October 03, 2012, 10:17:24 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 03, 2012, 08:36:42 AM
No nominations for Antrim.
When is the last time Cavan won an all-Star ?
Defo deserved one. Especially if Longford etc are getting them.
They don't deserve any if they've supporters like you, gobshite.
How could anyone who knows anything about football question a nomination for Paul Barden?
I meant that Longford only got so far in the championship, around as far as Antrim, yet they got nominations and we didn't. Barden was this yr and has been, quality. We had quality performers too in a number of games, as good as the all star winners (in loughrey and mick mccann) yet our games were not televised, yours were. That's the difference.
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Quote from: hardstation on October 25, 2012, 10:48:42 PM
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 25, 2012, 09:19:34 PM
Mark McHugh wing back All-star instead of Keegan and Kevin Mcloughlin wing forward All-Star. everyone happy then?
Er no. McHugh did not play wing back or wing forward. Obviously Keegan is a much better no.5 and McLoughlin a much better 12. Not arguing about selecting McHugh but his jersey no. was irrelevant. So he could just as well have been picked at 3, 4 or midfield. If he was picked at the expense of Higgins or Caff. it would be more accectable than shafting McLoughlin.
McLoughlin and Keegan should have been the Mayo autos.
That pisses me off. When the Sunday Game panel were picking their team, they picked players all over the shop. These players should be picked according to the number on their back. If Mark McHugh ran up and down the pitch in every game and was very effective in doing so, that is just how the role of a wing half forward has developed. There will come a day when no goalkeeper is selected but a corner forward is stuck in in his place.
Nonsense. Load of shite if you think about it Hardstation. McHugh could have been wearing no 15 and McFadden or Murphy 12 and his role and Donegal s shape would have been the same. McHugh s role in Donegal s set-up not necessarily the be all. They could have hung any jersey on him. Time for squad numbers I reckon!
As for your idea of selecting a cornerforward instead of keeper - well fine! I suspect McHugh role (12 or15 wtf) was as effective in keeping Donegal goal proof as that of the keeper!
All I m saying is that if McHugh had to be selected - and he had of course - it should not have been at the expense of McLoughlin. McLoughlin should have been the first of the hfs and then negotiate. The fact that it turned out like this just makes a joke of the whole awards. But they ve been flawed for some time. Just that this is a new low.
If Mayo did manage to win the AI this year McLoughlin would have been in the running for player of the year. He would have been the leading Mayo player in contention. I doubt many Mayos would argue with that?
Why are you linking McHugh's selection with McLoughlin's omission? Sure there is as good an argument about McLoughlin over Dillon as there is over McHugh.
And I reckon the "a new low" cry has been uttered every year of the all stars.
I didn t do the link - Hardstation made the point that player should be picked in the number they wore. I disagreed that s all.
Like McBrearty got no.7 but Thompson seemed to play 7 any time I saw Donegal play with McBrearty in a corner ( but of course never playing the old role). Surely McBrearty should have been selected at 4 then instead of Higgins?
Whats your point with McLoughlin instead of Dillon. Why not McHugh instead of Dillon?
I m sorry for opening my mouth about this, but anybody that thinks that McHugh played as a half- forward because he played with 12 on his back all year is only wasting everybody's time.
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Mark McHugh wing back All-star instead of Keegan and Kevin Mcloughlin wing forward All-Star. everyone happy then?
Er no. McHugh did not play wing back or wing forward. Obviously Keegan is a much better no.5 and McLoughlin a much better 12. Not arguing about selecting McHugh but his jersey no. was irrelevant. So he could just as well have been picked at 3, 4 or midfield. If he was picked at the expense of Higgins or Caff. it would be more accectable than shafting McLoughlin.
McLoughlin and Keegan should have been the Mayo autos.
That pisses me off. When the Sunday Game panel were picking their team, they picked players all over the shop. These players should be picked according to the number on their back. If Mark McHugh ran up and down the pitch in every game and was very effective in doing so, that is just how the role of a wing half forward has developed. There will come a day when no goalkeeper is selected but a corner forward is stuck in in his place.
Nonsense. Load of shite if you think about it Hardstation. McHugh could have been wearing no 15 and McFadden or Murphy 12 and his role and Donegal s shape would have been the same. McHugh s role in Donegal s set-up not necessarily the be all. They could have hung any jersey on him. Time for squad numbers I reckon!
As for your idea of selecting a cornerforward instead of keeper - well fine! I suspect McHugh role (12 or15 wtf) was as effective in keeping Donegal goal proof as that of the keeper!
All I m saying is that if McHugh had to be selected - and he had of course - it should not have been at the expense of McLoughlin. McLoughlin should have been the first of the hfs and then negotiate. The fact that it turned out like this just makes a joke of the whole awards. But they ve been flawed for some time. Just that this is a new low.
If Mayo did manage to win the AI this year McLoughlin would have been in the running for player of the year. He would have been the leading Mayo player in contention. I doubt many Mayos would argue with that?
Why are you linking McHugh's selection with McLoughlin's omission? Sure there is as good an argument about McLoughlin over Dillon as there is over McHugh.
And I reckon the "a new low" cry has been uttered every year of the all stars.
I didn t do the link - Hardstation made the point that player should be picked in the number they wore. I disagreed that s all.
Like McBrearty got no.7 but Thompson seemed to play 7 any time I saw Donegal play with McBrearty in a corner ( but of course never playing the old role). Surely McBrearty should have been selected at 4 then instead of Higgins?
Whats your point with McLoughlin instead of Dillon. Why not McHugh instead of Dillon?
I m sorry for opening my mouth about this, but anybody that thinks that McHugh played as a half- forward because he played with 12 on his back all year is only wasting everybody's time.
Missed the show tonight. McBrearty was selected at 7?
WTF?
Serious edit!
McGlynn I meant. Apologies. But Thompson played 7 all year and was probably the best 7 around. But Donegal were so fluid that numbers meant damn all. Thats my point. If McGlynn was given 7 surely then McHugh could have been picked without the expense of Mcoughlin? If the same reasoning was applied then McGlynn would have taken Higgins award and I would have less issue with that. McLouglin has been easily our best player last few years. And for the game in general he s a breath of fresh air. He s a smaller lad with class and an antidote to the bigger gym-monkeys and water-carriers, even though he does the donkey work as well as anybody.
The Donegal players that played any hint of a hall- forward line were Bradley, Mcloone and maybe McBrearty. The rest dropped off and Murphy and McFadden isolated inside one behind another in a 'spike' formation. Brilliant stuff.
Watched the All Star ceremonies last night, actually gave up on them in 1997 when Kildare got 3 for reaching and losing a Leinster semi final. The presentation was more like a funeral as the players walked past a line of men dressed in black with sombre faces shaking their hands along the lines of "sorry for your troubles" only they were probably saying "well done".
Any system that has tokenism in it is a joke hence giving the Dublin player one. Also giving Dillon from Mayo one when he was hardly spotted in the final as usual and omitting McLoughlin was an absolute joke. My question is this...where was the Kerry man?
A cringefest of the highest order. To say that Donegal have 8 of the best players for 2012 is an massive overstatement. McLoughlin not getting one. Lacey instead of McFadden for player of the year? Marty Morrisseys continual use of the word 'Legend'. The 'Are you making a comeback?', Does this make up for not winning an AI?, What is your plan going forward to next year? questions that just made you cringe. Why don't the players pick the players who will receive All Stars?
Quote from: southsidejohnny on October 27, 2012, 09:08:16 AM
Watched the All Star ceremonies last night, actually gave up on them in 1997 when Kildare got 3 for reaching and losing a Leinster semi final. The presentation was more like a funeral as the players walked past a line of men dressed in black with sombre faces shaking their hands along the lines of "sorry for your troubles" only they were probably saying "well done".
Any system that has tokenism in it is a joke hence giving the Dublin player one. Also giving Dillon from Mayo one when he was hardly spotted in the final as usual and omitting McLoughlin was an absolute joke. My question is this...where was the Kerry man?
You're still banging that drum. ;D
Should the All-Stars be scrapped?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 27, 2012, 01:45:25 PM
Should the All-Stars be scrapped?
Absolutely not, a good distraction this time of the year from the Crossmaglen wankfest here and the rugger and tappy tappy ball elsewhere.
Will never be perfect nor will satisfy all but this team, McLoughlin excepted, is as close to what it should be as possible.
the All stars have been fucked up since Brian Whelan didnt get one in 1994, he`s one of the few hurlers of recent years to get on the millennium team. Every year theres always a miss, mostly due to the fact that there is a journalist obession with Dublin, Kerry and the like, Some players are picked on the performance of 2 games, semi -and final which is alot of crap. Aidan Walsh had a great year but Barry Moran was the best midfielder on view this year. Big Neil had 2 outstanding games but R Bradley was playing midfield for a while earlier in the year. O`Loughlin should be in the team, and Dublin have been poor all year, Flynn was good, but its the token leinster all star at the expense of a Mayo man. Players should be picked from position only, this only came about because the select committee couldnt make the hard choices between picking 2 good player in the same position, the easy way out was to reposition him at the expense of player who actually played the position. McGlynn would have edged out Higgins, and the mayo fullback edge out McGee had this been the case. People will say this doesnt get you the best 15 players of the year but it will get you a properly balanced team. Its funny how rules change, Big Tom Morrissey missed out in `92 having been suspended during the year when he was the best midfielder that year.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 27, 2012, 08:03:11 PM
the All stars have been fucked up since Brian Whelan didnt get one in 1994, he`s one of the few hurlers of recent years to get on the millennium team. Every year theres always a miss, mostly due to the fact that there is a journalist obession with Dublin, Kerry and the like, Some players are picked on the performance of 2 games, semi -and final which is alot of crap. Aidan Walsh had a great year but Barry Moran was the best midfielder on view this year. Big Neil had 2 outstanding games but R Bradley was playing midfield for a while earlier in the year. O`Loughlin should be in the team, and Dublin have been poor all year, Flynn was good, but its the token leinster all star at the expense of a Mayo man. Players should be picked from position only, this only came about because the select committee couldnt make the hard choices between picking 2 good player in the same position, the easy way out was to reposition him at the expense of player who actually played the position. McGlynn would have edged out Higgins, and the mayo fullback edge out McGee had this been the case. People will say this doesnt get you the best 15 players of the year but it will get you a properly balanced team. Its funny how rules change, Big Tom Morrissey missed out in `92 having been suspended during the year when he was the best midfielder that year.
Agree with most of that Wildweasel. But the bit in bold.
McGlynn didnt really play corner back for Donegal. In the final anyway the back 3 were the McGees and the excelllent Paddy MCGrath. McGlynn was otherwise deployed in an attacking role. Higgins unfortunately was left minding the stable once the horse had bolted, and as such was more an orthodox 4 all year. Thompson though lost out.
McHugh wore 12 but was no more a lhf than the man in the moon. McLoughlin had a bit of a connection with the postion.
Supposing county players just wore squad numbers in alphabetical order? Where then would McHugh and McGlynn have been selected?
Is it possible to select All-Stars in traditional formation when no team sets up like that anymore? Maybe just select top 15/20 players per year and forget about trying to make a team of them?
Congratulations to Ger, Keith, Lee and Alan on their All Stars and also to Cillian for making history by winning YPOTY for the second year running, some achievement.
Feel sorry for McLoughlin, nothing short of a joke that he didn't get an all star. I suppose it just reinforces the poor standard of GAA journalism there is out there.
There's an awful lot of spiteful rubbish on this thread.
Mark McHugh might not have played as a 'traditional' 12 this year but he played 12 in Donegal's system. He is as as deserving of an All Star as almost anyone in recent times and more so than any other half forward in Ireland this year.
Paul Flynn was the best player for a team that nearly got to an AI final. His selection was earned and not political.
Karl Lacey was absolutely outstanding this year and was pivotal in everything Donegal achieved. Their system is built upon twin principles of defensive excellence and precision counter attacking. Lacey was peerless at both. A truly deserving poTY.
Quote from: Take Your Points on October 27, 2012, 10:22:32 AM
Donegal all star selections are a joke. Were the members of the selection panel afraid of being excluded from press conferences?
Mark McHugh was over hyped all year, just a very fit lad asked to do a particular job on the field and programmed to carry out his role. Even then his effectiveness faded as the team progressed through semi and final. Every team has a lad to do this and you will see it even more over the next year.
Karl Lacey as player of the year is another joke. The first time all season he was properly and legally hit coming out of defence was in the final and that ended his game.
What are you talking about, the hit ended his game.. It might have stopped him in his tracks for a few minutes, but it didn't end his game. He was attacking in the Mayo half in the final few minutes, hungry for the ball. He was excellent all year, Donegal didn't get to a provincial final by beating a division 4 team by 20 pts.
Cavan gave game them a good game in Breffni. at least it was a bit competitive.They pullled clear from Derry in the second half and the Tyrone match went to the wire, they blitzed Down in the second half in the Ulster Final. Then tough games against Kerry and Cork, before the final
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There's an awful lot of spiteful rubbish on this thread.
Mark McHugh might not have played as a 'traditional' 12 this year but he played 12 in Donegal's system. He is as as deserving of an All Star as almost anyone in recent times and more so than any other half forward in Ireland this year.
Paul Flynn was the best player for a team that nearly got to an AI final. His selection was earned and not political.
Karl Lacey was absolutely outstanding this year and was pivotal in everything Donegal achieved. Their system is built upon twin principles of defensive excellence and precision counter attacking. Lacey was peerless at both. A truly deserving poTY.
Lacey getting POTY is not spiteful rubbish toward Donegal, most if not all of us think completely McFadden deserved it. As with McHugh and Dillon, both went missing on AI final day and were lucky to get picked (Profile really got them over the line). Always thought that there should be nominations from each province initially to give a broader feel to the whole thing. It's mad but in yester years, the League played a part in getting an All star where Anthony Tohill got one in 1995 and i even remember Kevin O'Brien from Baltinglass (Wicklow) getting rewarded for winning a club Championship in 1990.
Just read John Greene in the Sindo and I think he makes a very valid point not only for Paul Barden but for lads that have been great early in the year -the forgotten - every year. It is amazing that the journalists only see the players in the AI semi and final. Is it a case that they only come onboard for these matches and send the junior reporters to all other matches.
Quote from: antoinse on October 28, 2012, 08:51:25 PM
Just read John Greene in the Sindo and I think he makes a very valid point not only for Paul Barden but for lads that have been great early in the year -the forgotten - every year. It is amazing that the journalists only see the players in the AI semi and final. Is it a case that they only come onboard for these matches and send the junior reporters to all other matches.
We've had that conversation numerous times on here over the years, with some people agreeing with Greene and others claiming that anyone whose team doesn't get to at least the semi finals doesn't deserve it. Their logic being, apparently, that if these players were THAT good, then their teams would have got further, which seems very weak to me given that its a 15 man game. Their response to that is always that such players, more often than not, will not be facing the top players until the latter stages, which of course ignores the fact that the best players will always be facing the top players on the other side as well. Most counties have a few top class players. Its depth that's the issue.
Although Donegal benefited this year (and last, to a lesser extent) from late competition involvement, I've had to defend the inclusion of Lacey in 06 and 09 when Donegal went out at the quarter finals. This is despite the fact that Lacey, in his corner back days, would be marking men like Stephen McDonnell and Paddy Bradley, even in the early rounds of Ulster. Thankfully, from Lacey's point of view, the men who decide the awards recognized this.
Even in those cases, however, we had to go at least to the quarter finals. When's the last time we had a Declan Browne? Has it happened since the qualifiers came in? When did Mattie Forde win and how far did Wexford go that year?
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Quote from: antoinse on October 28, 2012, 08:51:25 PM
Just read John Greene in the Sindo and I think he makes a very valid point not only for Paul Barden but for lads that have been great early in the year -the forgotten - every year. It is amazing that the journalists only see the players in the AI semi and final. Is it a case that they only come onboard for these matches and send the junior reporters to all other matches.
We've had that conversation numerous times on here over the years, with some people agreeing with Greene and others claiming that anyone whose team doesn't get to at least the semi finals doesn't deserve it. Their logic being, apparently, that if these players were THAT good, then their teams would have got further, which seems very weak to me given that its a 15 man game. Their response to that is always that such players, more often than not, will not be facing the top players until the latter stages, which of course ignores the fact that the best players will always be facing the top players on the other side as well. Most counties have a few top class players. Its depth that's the issue.
Although Donegal benefited this year (and last, to a lesser extent) from late competition involvement, I've had to defend the inclusion of Lacey in 06 and 09 when Donegal went out at the quarter finals. This is despite the fact that Lacey, in his corner back days, would be marking men like Stephen McDonnell and Paddy Bradley, even in the early rounds of Ulster. Thankfully, from Lacey's point of view, the men who decide the awards recognized this.
Even in those cases, however, we had to go at least to the quarter finals. When's the last time we had a Declan Browne? Has it happened since the qualifiers came in? When did Mattie Forde win and how far did Wexford go that year?
Mattie Forde won his only All-Star in 2004. Wexford lost a Leinster semi to Westmeath that year, and were zapped by Derry in Round 3 of the Qualifiers.
Declan Browne won his All-Star in 2003. If by "a Declan Browne" you mean a man whose county is unsuccessful in the Championship but is a player of such ability as to demand an All-Star, then Declan Browne himself is the last Declan Browne. Before that, I would say you're going back to 1990 and Wicklow's Kevin O'Brien. Otherwise, every other All-Star winner has been on a team that did some sort of business in the Championship. Derry won a scatter in the 1990s when they won the League so regularly - it's interesting to note that this doesn't apply to modern day Cork, the current League specialists.
There were no qualifiers when derry were getting them though. A half decent showing in the province meant more.
I would agree there is some spiteful stuff about donegal here. Typ your post is very bitter to be honest. Maybe lacey should have been second to mcfadden but he was still superb. Maybe you didn't notice but in the all ireland final he was given a marking role on dillon? Also Iirc the hit was a foul though may be wrong on that.
Mchugh also was in the best 3 half forwards this year without a doubt. Mcloughlin instead of dillon and i think the rest is about right.
The best 15 on a year never make the all star team but the unfortunate thing is that the players don't get enough chance to show. John galvin should have had all stars- he'd be the stand out to me. Wexford maybe more last couple of years with good individuals too.
Aye I think the league meant a lot more back in the 90s. Derry didnt go far in the cship back then either but the ulster championship was the prime cship back then with live coverage on RTE and BBC. The crowds were much bigger and there were no back door so more emphasis were put on the earlier rounds,and Derry played in some big games back then and we had SUPPORTERS back then believe it or not
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Quote from: antoinse on October 28, 2012, 08:51:25 PM
Just read John Greene in the Sindo and I think he makes a very valid point not only for Paul Barden but for lads that have been great early in the year -the forgotten - every year. It is amazing that the journalists only see the players in the AI semi and final. Is it a case that they only come onboard for these matches and send the junior reporters to all other matches.
We've had that conversation numerous times on here over the years, with some people agreeing with Greene and others claiming that anyone whose team doesn't get to at least the semi finals doesn't deserve it. Their logic being, apparently, that if these players were THAT good, then their teams would have got further, which seems very weak to me given that its a 15 man game. Their response to that is always that such players, more often than not, will not be facing the top players until the latter stages, which of course ignores the fact that the best players will always be facing the top players on the other side as well. Most counties have a few top class players. Its depth that's the issue.
Although Donegal benefited this year (and last, to a lesser extent) from late competition involvement, I've had to defend the inclusion of Lacey in 06 and 09 when Donegal went out at the quarter finals. This is despite the fact that Lacey, in his corner back days, would be marking men like Stephen McDonnell and Paddy Bradley, even in the early rounds of Ulster. Thankfully, from Lacey's point of view, the men who decide the awards recognized this.
Even in those cases, however, we had to go at least to the quarter finals. When's the last time we had a Declan Browne? Has it happened since the qualifiers came in? When did Mattie Forde win and how far did Wexford go that year?
Mattie Forde won his only All-Star in 2004. Wexford lost a Leinster semi to Westmeath that year, and were zapped by Derry in Round 3 of the Qualifiers.
Declan Browne won his All-Star in 2003. If by "a Declan Browne" you mean a man whose county is unsuccessful in the Championship but is a player of such ability as to demand an All-Star, then Declan Browne himself is the last Declan Browne. Before that, I would say you're going back to 1990 and Wicklow's Kevin O'Brien. Otherwise, every other All-Star winner has been on a team that did some sort of business in the Championship. Derry won a scatter in the 1990s when they won the League so regularly - it's interesting to note that this doesn't apply to modern day Cork, the current League specialists.
Barry Owens a possible mention for his 2006 All star. I think Fermanagh only got to fourth Round of the Qualifiers after an exit to Armagh in the Ulster Semi Final.
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 30, 2012, 09:31:55 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 30, 2012, 09:14:53 AM
Quote from: J70 on October 29, 2012, 04:22:31 PM
Quote from: antoinse on October 28, 2012, 08:51:25 PM
Just read John Greene in the Sindo and I think he makes a very valid point not only for Paul Barden but for lads that have been great early in the year -the forgotten - every year. It is amazing that the journalists only see the players in the AI semi and final. Is it a case that they only come onboard for these matches and send the junior reporters to all other matches.
We've had that conversation numerous times on here over the years, with some people agreeing with Greene and others claiming that anyone whose team doesn't get to at least the semi finals doesn't deserve it. Their logic being, apparently, that if these players were THAT good, then their teams would have got further, which seems very weak to me given that its a 15 man game. Their response to that is always that such players, more often than not, will not be facing the top players until the latter stages, which of course ignores the fact that the best players will always be facing the top players on the other side as well. Most counties have a few top class players. Its depth that's the issue.
Although Donegal benefited this year (and last, to a lesser extent) from late competition involvement, I've had to defend the inclusion of Lacey in 06 and 09 when Donegal went out at the quarter finals. This is despite the fact that Lacey, in his corner back days, would be marking men like Stephen McDonnell and Paddy Bradley, even in the early rounds of Ulster. Thankfully, from Lacey's point of view, the men who decide the awards recognized this.
Even in those cases, however, we had to go at least to the quarter finals. When's the last time we had a Declan Browne? Has it happened since the qualifiers came in? When did Mattie Forde win and how far did Wexford go that year?
Mattie Forde won his only All-Star in 2004. Wexford lost a Leinster semi to Westmeath that year, and were zapped by Derry in Round 3 of the Qualifiers.
Declan Browne won his All-Star in 2003. If by "a Declan Browne" you mean a man whose county is unsuccessful in the Championship but is a player of such ability as to demand an All-Star, then Declan Browne himself is the last Declan Browne. Before that, I would say you're going back to 1990 and Wicklow's Kevin O'Brien. Otherwise, every other All-Star winner has been on a team that did some sort of business in the Championship. Derry won a scatter in the 1990s when they won the League so regularly - it's interesting to note that this doesn't apply to modern day Cork, the current League specialists.
Barry Owens a possible mention for his 2006 All star. I think Fermanagh only got to fourth Round of the Qualifiers after an exit to Armagh in the Ulster Semi Final.
I thought about that but Fermanagh got to an All-Ireland semi in 2004, drawing the first game before losing the replay, so I think that would have been in the voters' heads. There would have been that sense of reward there, a we-can't-forget-Fermanagh thing. The thing about Browne and O'Brien is that those teams were going no-where. Wicklow couldn't, pre-qualifiers, and the qualifiers came a little too early for Tipperary to take advantage of. Again, maybe.
Quote from: theticklemister on October 30, 2012, 09:25:55 AM
Aye I think the league meant a lot more back in the 90s. Derry didnt go far in the cship back then either but the ulster championship was the prime cship back then with live coverage on RTE and BBC. The crowds were much bigger and there were no back door so more emphasis were put on the earlier rounds,and Derry played in some big games back then and we had SUPPORTERS back then believe it or not
I think you're onto something there about the live TV. Dublin got three All-Stars in 1991 because of that long series against Meath. And that might be because those games were on telly.
Which is problematic, because the voters are GAA journalists. These fellas are meant to be at games, not watching them on telly, so TV profile shouldn't be that important. But who can ever tell, really, in any of these things?
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Quote from: theticklemister on October 30, 2012, 09:25:55 AM
Aye I think the league meant a lot more back in the 90s. Derry didnt go far in the cship back then either but the ulster championship was the prime cship back then with live coverage on RTE and BBC. The crowds were much bigger and there were no back door so more emphasis were put on the earlier rounds,and Derry played in some big games back then and we had SUPPORTERS back then believe it or not
I think you're onto something there about the live TV. Dublin got three All-Stars in 1991 because of that long series against Meath. And that might be because those games were on telly.
Which is problematic, because the voters are GAA journalists. These fellas are meant to be at games, not watching them on telly, so TV profile shouldn't be that important. But who can ever tell, really, in any of these things?
The thing is, it's not possible for any journalist to cover all games. Not even close. Even covering the provincial finals for one journalist is normally impossible with fixture clashes.
And that was before the qualifiers. Paddy Cunningham could score 2.13 in a qualifier in the performance of a lifetime against Clare, but only Eamon O'Hara would be able to vote on that. The rest of them would be voting on what he did against Cavan on TV in the first round of Ulster.
Once you get into the last eight, all games are at Croker and there's no clashes. They're also the only genuine knock-out fixtures of the year, and performances tend to reflect that fact. Journalists are no different to the rest of us in that these games will have the greatest bearing on their end of season reflections.
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Quote from: southsidejohnny on October 27, 2012, 09:08:16 AM
Watched the All Star ceremonies last night, actually gave up on them in 1997 when Kildare got 3 for reaching and losing a Leinster semi final. The presentation was more like a funeral as the players walked past a line of men dressed in black with sombre faces shaking their hands along the lines of "sorry for your troubles" only they were probably saying "well done".
Any system that has tokenism in it is a joke hence giving the Dublin player one. Also giving Dillon from Mayo one when he was hardly spotted in the final as usual and omitting McLoughlin was an absolute joke. My question is this...where was the Kerry man?
You're still banging that drum. ;D
I agree about Kildare getting 3 in '97 being a joke.
In 1997 Glen Ryan and Trevor Giles marked each other 3 times and did nothing else of note in the c'ship outside of the Meath-Kildare trilogy, yet both got All-Stars. It doesn't make sense to me how 2 players marking each other can both have played brilliantly enough to deserve an All-Star.
Especially when you've Liam O'Flaherty who had played brilliantly throughout the league and c'ship and was overlooked in favour of Ryan.
1991 must be the biggest joke ever with runners-up Meath getting 2 more All-Stars than All-Ireland winners Down.
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Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 27, 2012, 11:47:44 AM
Quote from: southsidejohnny on October 27, 2012, 09:08:16 AM
Watched the All Star ceremonies last night, actually gave up on them in 1997 when Kildare got 3 for reaching and losing a Leinster semi final. The presentation was more like a funeral as the players walked past a line of men dressed in black with sombre faces shaking their hands along the lines of "sorry for your troubles" only they were probably saying "well done".
Any system that has tokenism in it is a joke hence giving the Dublin player one. Also giving Dillon from Mayo one when he was hardly spotted in the final as usual and omitting McLoughlin was an absolute joke. My question is this...where was the Kerry man?
You're still banging that drum. ;D
I agree about Kildare getting 3 in '97 being a joke.
In 1997 Glen Ryan and Trevor Giles marked each other 3 times and did nothing else of note in the c'ship outside of the Meath-Kildare trilogy, yet both got All-Stars. It doesn't make sense to me how 2 players marking each other can both have played brilliantly enough to deserve an All-Star.
Especially when you've Liam O'Flaherty who had played brilliantly throughout the league and c'ship and was overlooked in favour of Ryan.
1991 must be the biggest joke ever with runners-up Meath getting 2 more All-Stars than All-Ireland winners Down.
Glenn marked Tommy Dowd for most of that trilogy rather than Giles. As for not doing anything outside of that trilogy, Glenn gave the greatest display I've ever seen from an individual Kildare footballer when we beat Laois in the first round despite being two men down for over an hour. O'Dwyer described that performance as the finest he had ever seen in Croke Park from a centre back.
Meath played nearly double the number of games than Down that year,Down may have won the all ireland but it didn't mean they had the best players in certain positions, Mickey Linden was good that year but he was against Colm O`Rourke in that postion that year when you couldn't change players about. Colm got the footballer of the year back in 1991. Who you you think missed out? not sure of the down all stars then, N Collins, G Blaney, J McCartan? and Ross Carr i think. DJ Kane had a good year but again was against. Martin O`Connell who was very good and will go down as the best no.7 i seen in my time. Connor Deegan didn't get one i think and he was probably the best full back that year
Any reports from the US of A??
The All-Stars are given to the players who defined the season. If a players is knocked out in Round 3 of the qualifiers, then he'd want to have had an extraordinary year to be getting one ahead of a player who had a decent year and played in an All-Ireland Final.
The players hard done by in this selection were MD McAuely, Kevin McLoughlin and Colm Boyle in my opinion. But you can only pick 15 - naturally there will be a few players left out who others might feel should have been included.
Anyway point I'm really making is that there's no argument for Paul Barden recieving one this year (fine effort in getting nominated though) and I don't think John Galvin should have any more than he currently has. Current method for picking All-Stas is perfectly acceptable annd bar one or two close calls, every year, is an accurate reflection of what the public thinks too.
Quote from: Sea The Stars on November 17, 2012, 09:28:10 AM
The All-Stars are given to the players who defined the season. If a players is knocked out in Round 3 of the qualifiers, then he'd want to have had an extraordinary year to be getting one ahead of a player who had a decent year and played in an All-Ireland Final.
The players hard done by in this selection were MD McAuely, Kevin McLoughlin and Colm Boyle in my opinion. But you can only pick 15 - naturally there will be a few players left out who others might feel should have been included.
Anyway point I'm really making is that there's no argument for Paul Barden recieving one this year (fine effort in getting nominated though) and I don't think John Galvin should have any more than he currently has. Current method for picking All-Stas is perfectly acceptable annd bar one or two close calls, every year, is an accurate reflection of what the public thinks too.
The current method of selection is a load of me nads if you ask me. Rewards players for maybe one good game a season. You don't speak for the public by the way
Any Scores on the Game ??
Quote from: Farneylawd2011 on November 17, 2012, 11:11:08 PM
Any Scores on the Game ??
The 2012 GAA-GPA Football All-Stars have beaten the 2011 GAA-GPA Football All-Stars by 8-17 to 8-7 in New York tonight. (Courtesy of Cóilín Duffy).
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 18, 2012, 02:19:50 AM
Quote from: Farneylawd2011 on November 17, 2012, 11:11:08 PM
Any Scores on the Game ??
The 2012 GAA-GPA Football All-Stars have beaten the 2011 GAA-GPA Football All-Stars by 8-17 to 8-7 in New York tonight. (Courtesy of Cóilín Duffy).
Highlights on TG4 now
Why in the name of Sean Purcell is Kevin McManamon playing in a hoodie?
At least 6 or 7 players that I know of that were on the All Stars jolly were on Twitter saying how great a trip it was.....also each one to a man thanked "the GAA and the GPA" for the opportunity...sounded like a party line....or am I reading too much into it.. :-\
Quote from: Syferus on November 19, 2012, 09:07:13 PM
Why in the name of Sean Purcell is Kevin McManamon playing in a hoodie?
Trying to sell hoodies I'd imagine!
dont think neil mcgee desreved 2 allstars really with the blanket defences in front of him. well over-rated player in my opinion. he got destroyed against eugene keating when donegal played cavan. rory o caroll had a very good year with dublin thought he deserved the all star.Eugene keating also had a good year with cavan but was disregarded. its a bit biased towards players from the 2 teams that played in the final to be honest. doesnt give other players from other teams who had great years with their county any credit where its due
Quote from: kounty on November 25, 2012, 11:37:53 AM
dont think neil mcgee desreved 2 allstars really with the blanket defences in front of him. well over-rated player in my opinion. he got destroyed against eugene keating when donegal played cavan. rory o caroll had a very good year with dublin thought he deserved the all star.Eugene keating also had a good year with cavan but was disregarded. its a bit biased towards players from the 2 teams that played in the final to be honest. doesnt give other players from other teams who had great years with their county any credit where its due
nothing startling or new about this
Quote from: kounty on November 25, 2012, 11:37:53 AM
dont think neil mcgee desreved 2 allstars really with the blanket defences in front of him. well over-rated player in my opinion. he got destroyed against eugene keating when donegal played cavan. rory o caroll had a very good year with dublin thought he deserved the all star.Eugene keating also had a good year with cavan but was disregarded. its a bit biased towards players from the 2 teams that played in the final to be honest. doesnt give other players from other teams who had great years with their county any credit where its due
The fact that Donegal stopped playing halfway through the second half and that was when Keating did most of his damage is irrelevent of course. As is the fact that Donegal constantly threw McGee's defensive colleagues forward in support of the attack this year. Some of you boys apparently think that a team of chimpanzees could win an All Ireland with Jim McGuinness using electric shock reward/punishment reinforcement training to teach them his system.
Ger Cafferkey collecting for Ballina hurling club in the pissing rain today. Man Ger.
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Quote from: ballinaman on January 27, 2013, 12:59:30 AM
Ger Cafferkey collecting for Ballina hurling club in the pissing rain today. Man Ger.
(http://ballsdot.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/caffa.jpg)
Man Ger is right. Hats off to him.
Quote from: ballinaman on January 27, 2013, 12:59:30 AM
Ger Cafferkey collecting for Ballina hurling club in the pissing rain today. Man Ger.
(http://ballsdot.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/caffa.jpg)
The spirit of the GAA......right there!
Quote from: orangeman on January 27, 2013, 01:06:49 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on January 27, 2013, 12:59:30 AM
Ger Cafferkey collecting for Ballina hurling club in the pissing rain today. Man Ger.
(http://ballsdot.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/caffa.jpg)
Man Ger is right. Hats off to him.
Well, not in that weather.
Inter-county players get far too little praise for the effort they put in even to just make the field. You see so many wonderful little stories like this go unreported every year.