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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: September 08, 2021, 04:31:56 AM »
Don't agree with the senior, intermediate Junior inter county championships.

Going forward, the real barometer for progress is in the leagues, and they will grow in importance with the separation of inter county and club seasons.

County football is representative football. Antrim have both the number of clubs and players to be competitive at the highest level. Need to get the couching sorted, and playing junior will not benefit this.

Need a 20 year view on progression and a focus on leagues. AS soon as Antrim are a mainstay in Div 2, we will be giving Ulster Championships a run

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GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
« on: August 30, 2021, 04:59:38 PM »
Am I the only one still struggling to get over the fact that a Kerry inter county player butchered a certain goal by walking into the square ahead of the ball arriving and then handling the ball on the ground to push it into an empty net in case the umpires missed the square ball. If a 12 year old did it in a game you would be tearing your hair out. In such a tight match it cost them the game.

O'Brien isn't the cleverest by the looks of it. He should enter the Olympics next time out. His diving antics would make ye sick.

If one player on a team diving makes you sick, how do you think other counties view Tyrone? Welping and the cocking the head back upon contact seems to be an art form perfected by quite a few

You mean like Johnny McGurk in the 90's

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: August 24, 2021, 08:25:29 PM »
So and eye for eye attitude? Hopefully youíre not looking after kids teams, where you teach them the rules and respect  of the games and how to play football and hurling.

The referee applies the rules full stop, itís up to the players to abide by them, so to take your attitude if I see someone driving their car without a seat belt on or speeding I can do the same?

As for understanding the game my CV as a player and manager gives me enough experience and insight in playing competitively and managing competitively. Your players should and always play by the rules if they donít then theyíll lose sight of whatís ahead.

No one goes out to have a bad game, players managers and refís can have a bad day, the team take it collectively while the ref is generally on his own.

Looked after kids teams for years, and my teams we very well behaved and disciplined. No problem there, but you seem to deflect any comments about how referees have the biggest impact on how a games played onto players and managers fault, and that's a problem. Seems that referees have no self reflection.

The influence on how a games played is 1 Manager, 2 referee, and 3 Managers. But on the pitch and during the game, its 1 Referee, 2 Players, and 3 Manager.

Regarding the seat belt analogy, not applicable as another person not wearing a seat belt doesn't impact me, but if a member of the opposing team hits one of my team and the ref doesn't take action, that does impact my team.

If the referee is consistently allowing players to run 8 steps  before bouncing / soloing a ball, all players will do it. This is natural. If you have a team being over aggressive and not getting punished by the ref, one of your players will get hurt, and the team will have a duty of care to each other to stand up to it. Look at the Mayo Dublin game, the ref and officials missed about 4 red card offences, Mayo got more aggressive after,

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 24, 2021, 06:12:26 PM »
Afghanistan is all on Joe? Close the thread or topic on that. I thought Irish politics was blinkered
the disaster of a withdrawal is all on him, well thatís what he says

Did he say it is all on him or that he wouldnt shrink from his share of responsibility?
he said the buck stops with him . Then blamed everyone he could think of .
What sane president leaves thousands of us citizens behind enemy lines and has to ask a terrorist organization to help them .

So should they stay? Lets have more bloodshed, more carnage more occupation. I don't know what you want but either way this is a shit storm no matter what call is made and by who. I love the way the brits are blaming the US for leaving, and the minute they said they were the Afghan security burnt their uniforms and headed back to their villages. More backbone in a jellyfish

I'm a Joe supporter, voted for him, but the execution of the withdrawal is all on him.

FFS, there is a fighting season in Afghanistan, and a winter season when nothing happens. Why not delay the withdrawal till the winter, then take 6 months to make sure everyone is out. The Democrats are scoring own goals, first the border, when they were not prepared for the surge, and now the withdrawal, where they were clearly not prepared. They can't have another f**k up. 2024 election is not that far away and they need to stop giving the republicans easy ammunition 

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: August 24, 2021, 06:05:34 PM »
Itís do I want an easy night or do I let teams play championship football?

The players firstly have a responsibility to play within the rules. End of.

The referee has the responsibility of applying the rules.

Where it gets muddled is when the ref misses something (heís human, can happen) or when players decide to get some retribution from a previous challenge that went (in their eyes) against them.

This call from the sidelines that you hear in games, thatís your fault ref, you caused that injury, we all know he didnít, he may have Ďallowedí a robust tackle go as not every tackle is a foul which in turn leads to some payback, which is a foul, but itís not the refs fault.

Iíd two teams years ago who from the get go couldnít handle their emotions, local derby and all that, 3 or 4 minutes in came the cry, youíre losing it ref. After that I blew for everything, a free fest which descended into the worst game ever!

If players and managers control their emotions then the ref will have the easiest job, thatís where it starts.

The players firstly have a responsibility to play within the rules. End of.

The referee has the responsibility of applying the rules.

Wrong way around, The referee has the responsibility of both establishing the latitude he will use in the application of the rules, and the actual application of the rules.

Players usually will respond to the referee and conduct themselves in that manor. If player see one of their teammates getting rough treatment and the referee doesn't deal with it properly, usually the group mentality of looking after your own kicks in, i.e. if the referee won't protect us we will have to. A lot of times, players and managers lose control their emotions when the referee is not properly or consistently applying the rules.

To the referee's on here, if you disagree with this, then you don't understand a key element of competitive physiology that exists in all contact sports. A referee can't control players from doing a dirty action, but how they deal with that will majorly influence how the game is played after that point

My youngest (U-8) plays soccer, during a match, the other teams left back continually left his feet with a two footed lunge to get the ball. The ref was walking past me and I quietly mentioned to him that its a foul and that he is going to hurt someone. The ref threatened to send me to the car, 10 mins later the left back did break an ankle.

I lost it, saying that it was the referees fault and it was, and his response as to tell me to control my emotions. He was more interested in controlling me than in properly controlling the game.

I regretted not losing my control earlier, as it would probably have prevented an 8 year old having his leg broken

This is why managers and supporters react the way they do on the sideline, and good referee's are ably to manage this

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: August 06, 2021, 07:10:16 PM »
Come on Tiempo get with the times lol

County train maybe 3 times a week, thats 2 teams at adult level.

A club has underage right the way up to senior to cater for. Seniors train 2/3 times a week. How many pitch minutes do all these add up to.

Then club may have hurling, camogie, ladies football.

So 1 base is a must!

Plus Antrim hasnít an abundance of grounds with floodlights either.

Tyrone won 3 AI without a centre of excellence and 0 since it was opened

Pitch minutes is the right way of looking at it, there are pitches everywhere being underutilised

Yeno what'll happen, a centre of excellence will be built, next thing this high performance team will need a weekend retreat to Cork or Malaga for warm weather training, or some other local venue/pursuit will come into vogue like cryotheraphy chambers at a few hundred pound a pop, and the players won't be at the centre at all

Down did plenty of running up mountains to win their AI, not a county sec making phone calls in sight

Just blows my mind this insatiable need to spunk millions all over the place

Invest in coaching excellence

Antrim were behind the other counties in regards to facilities for years.

Yes Down ran up mountains and won All Irelands, and so did Antrim at that time, but for pitch work, Antrim only had LD & Rasharkin, Derry had nearly every club with floodlights that they could avail of, the same with Down and Tryone, so we are always playing catch up

Having a center of excellence takes pressure off club pitches. Was talking to a LD club man about 15 years ago and they had brought over a head groundsman from one of the professional clubs in england to look at their pitch in regards to what maintenance was needed to improve their grass surface.

When asked how often the pitch was used, the LD man stated every night of the week between all the teams, and the grounds man was shocked, stating that their pitch is fully relayed every two years (approx 60-80 games)

So investment in physical grounds is a necessity to ensure we have the facilities to promote our games , the trick is doing this and property and efficiently and investing in coaching at the same time

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: July 22, 2021, 09:19:03 PM »
This won't be a surprise to anyone who has been around juvenille football in Antrim for a reasonable number of years

The whole setup is in the dark ages relative to the vast majority of progressive counties.

We have had a few bright spots most noteably last year's U20 and the same group @ Minor.

Unfortunately the leadership is not there to create the culture and environment required to develop the conveyor belt of Good rounded footballers capable of competing at inter County level.

It is the whole process and structure that is broken not just the final years @ U17 & U20

To move forward and be competitive in a Senior context this really needs a total Reset and not a patch up.

We may get the odd bright spot where we get lucky with a group of players, a good coaching setup gets real buy in or a school does really well but that seems to be the way of it .....

Hope to get lucky

Have to agree with this! As someone who was involved in volunteering for both hurling and football Dev squads at different times over the years, thereís always something stopping teams progressing the way they should, and it always seems to be buy-in, or lack of! Iím all for getting the best seniors out to play, and they are our ďwindowĒ for young lads looking in, but what point is there investing money into the seniors if they havenít the foundations already in place?
Iíve spoke with a number of people involved in the minor set ups of the past, and the lack of support and resources available to these young lads is beyond shocking.
Iíd love to see a proper pathway in place for teenagers to come through where they are educated about the technical, tactical and physical aspects of the game.
Being with the squads before, Iíd learned a lot from the county coaches Alfie for football and Dominic for hurling (they are now Gaelfast too I think) but it always seemed like resources were holding us back from being able to do exactly what we needed to do. This has to change!

As club people we need to take a level of responsibility for the county performances too! How many football teams have we at minor-senior that actually compete in Ulster club over the years? How many schools? Same for hurling- we play B all Ireland in that?  itís clubs that build the foundations in players before they get to school level so surely if we get it right with our teams then it makes it easier to work with players at county/school?

Easy to point the finger at Gaelfast but they donít hold the purse strings and judging by how the director left, they donít seem to be given the freedom to call the shots either! Either things change the right way or weíll be no further up the road in a decade. Leadership is key!

Def should be better, but there is some obvious things that need to be built on, including trying to improve on structures already in place.

For example, schools football,St Mary's Magherafelt, St Patrick's Maghera, St Pius X Magherafelt, St Ronan's Lurgen, provide good college pathways for Aghagallan, Tir na Nog, Creegan, Cargin, Moneyglass, Portglenone, and potentially Rasharkin etc. Gaelfast should be focusing on Randalstown, St Pats Ballymena, etc for country football (I'm sure there are others)

In hurling, Garrontower, St Louis Ballymena, Cross and Passion and St Patricks Maghera are providing a pathway, we should be looking at supporting them even further

Same story in the city.

SO there are fragments on foundations that can be strengthened and improved

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: July 22, 2021, 03:17:00 PM »
didn't see the TH, why was it bad

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: July 21, 2021, 02:19:21 PM »
We also need to consider dual clubs as well

Lot of games to be played in a three month period if you are serious about progressing in both codes

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General discussion / Re: The Official Golf Thread
« on: July 20, 2021, 04:32:57 PM »
Rory's talent is not in dispute, and his record is really good, but during the past few years his productivity has pales in significance when you comapre it to 2011-2016. The rate he set there was really improessive, but he has fallen off that lately.

Rory's problem is not with his driver or irons, its with his decision making, especially when he's in trouble so a potential bogie doesn't turn into a double, or a double into a triple, and his problems putting. The amount of putts he leaves on the green can be staggering.

In the states, there is a growing consensus that Rory struggles with pressure, he is 60-70 over in his major first rounds since he won his last major, and is something in the region of 60-80 under for the second round. That is an amazing stat, and indicates that he possibly suffers from nerves or stress or possibly over thinking a round in R1, and then plays with more freedom in R2. Not an expert, but that stat is really interesting.

To that end, i.e. nerves / stress, his openness or honesty during interviews is a bad strategy as he needs to prevent any additional stories that might add pressure or even noise that ultimately needs to be managed.

He needs to become a lot smarter in this regard, he created such a fuss about nothing during the last Olympics, and he nearly did it again, completely unnecessary.

In the states how he is increasingly being viewed as an enigma with amazing talent, "will Rory blow up in the first round, yep he's doing it again, now onto potential winners". During the past open, he is one that they cut away to if he does a great shot, not one of the main golfers that they like to follow.

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General discussion / Re: Premier League 2021-22
« on: July 12, 2021, 05:23:34 PM »
How many Liverpool, Man U, Man C, Chelsea, etc players had intensive Euro / Copa campaigns.

That's going to play are part in the league aswell

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General discussion / Re: Euro 20/21
« on: July 12, 2021, 05:18:37 PM »
What I don't understand is why were the players ,that we just brought on, not given a ball to do some pressure warm up drills for the 10 mins it took to organize the penalties. I looked for it and didn't see it.

Also England looked disorganized when trying to get the players on the pitch. The Italians took a quick throw to prevent them coming on the first time, but the second attempt (at Italy's corner) Rashford ran back to the seats to get instructions etc, I was waiting for the Italians to take a short corner to prevent them getting on. Looked really amateurish

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General discussion / Re: Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.
« on: June 24, 2021, 04:39:31 PM »
Expenses as part of income is just another example of the public sector mindset, similar to sick leave being an extension of annual leave and must be used ensure the maximum number of days off.

As part of their job, they have to travel to meet general pubic at meetings or other informal meetings e.g. housing application issues at local sites) Travel payments are provided to enable them to do it while out of pocket.

If that funding was removed, would they be in the right to not travel or meet people to help them out.

I know this is an easy topic to take a pop shot at politicians, but this is a genuine question. Otherwise, would they be in their rights for a tax deduction on payments for petrol to enable them to carry out their pubic duties

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Antrim / Re: ANTRIM HURLING
« on: May 13, 2021, 05:00:10 AM »
A player gets sent off after the final whistle but before extra time begins. He can be replaced by a sub for extra time, correct???

Yes and no I believe if the ref doesnít get the team sheet signed before extra time is played he can be replaced, if team sheet is signed then no..

Donít hold me to that  ;D
Is extra time still officially a new game? If so team can start with 15 players in extra time. My team did this back in 2000 and all was grand, except for the result

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: May 04, 2021, 02:36:45 PM »
The problem I have with refs, is not the individual per say, but the inconsistent application of the rules. Take the prominent Raskarkin ref who does allow more physical contact, then the up coming ref from Tir na nog who blows everything like a non contact sport. Totally frustrating. There has to be something fundamentally wrong when there is such a variance. Apparently both came through the ranks based on these assessors, like seriously. In saying that I would take the Raskarkin refs approach all day long.

This is one thing (can debate how significant) that is holding Antrim back at the intercounty level. Our games need to be a lot more physical, but not thuggish if we are going to develop players who can handle the white hot heat of intercounty championship

Growing up we would have watched a lot of Derry and Tryone football and it was hell for leather.
When you watch an Antrim game, the intensity levels were well down.

Too picky a ref doesn't help players, too lenient and you open the door for thuggish play.

Who would want to be a ref

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