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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #15285 on: June 16, 2021, 06:29:20 PM »
For those who are Covid Vaccine hesitant would Ivermectin not be a good alternative if authorised here?. It says in this article that it's been around since 1981 and reduces the risk of transmission by 88 per cent.

https://www.pharmacymagazine.co.uk/ivermectin-for-covid-19-a-cheap-drug-with-a-remarkable-effect

In this video it is claimed that if Ivermectin was used throughout the world then Covid would be gone within a month.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_NNTVJzqtY&t=2254s

Yes, but why have a cure, when they can keep it all going with annual vaccines, cripple the economy, destroy livelihoods  and control the population?

I said it months ago - this isn’t about a virus.

FFS have a read online about Ivermectin. It’s really that easy to get the full picture.

then why have there been experts calling for it to be used?

Because there are signs it can help in mild Covid cases. And perhaps it might be a very useful tool in fighting Covid. There’s certainly positive news around it. But there’s also a whole lot of mis-information. It’s not a wonder drug that cures Covid. It’s still not passed by the majority of health organisations as a treatment. So Building it up as a super cure doesn’t help.

Well of course it’s not! That won’t help sell vaccines, would it?  ::)

You do realize its much better for public health, and thus a return to normality, for people to be protected so they're most likely NOT to develop symptomatic disease in the first place, rather than rely on treatments, including drugs and up to intubation, afterwards?

There won’t be a return to normality. Even if covid is seen to be wiped out, they still won’t allow normality to return. Time will tell on how effective these vaccines are. But given that there’s talk of another wave in autumn, even with the vast majority of the population vaccinated, I’m guessing not that effective.

WHO won't allow normality to return even if COVID is wiped out??

You can be sure covid won’t be wiped out. Why would it be? Continual lockdowns/restrictions are doing their jobs. And sure no more vaccines would be sold, or vaccine passports wouldn’t be needed. Sure that makes no sense.

You said "Even if covid is seen to be wiped out, they still won’t allow normality to return."

And WHO are "Continual lockdowns/restrictions... doing their jobs" for?

I’ve explained in previous posts the reasons for lockdowns/restrictions.

It’s basically the problem-reaction-solution situation. Make life hell for people that they’ll agree to anything: mandatory vaccinations, vaccine passports (ie. ID cards), societal restrictions, continual tracking and monitoring of movements.

In recent days, the focus has turned from fighting a virus to introducing vaccine passports (which is essentially an ID card, that millions were opposed to when the likes of Blair/Bush spouted about after 9/11), to mandatory vaccinations or else you lose your job. And people are blindly, unquestionably accepting these.

Those making the decisions (government), covering it (media) , giving the advice (scientists/pharmaceuticals), benefitting from it (multi-national businesses, pharmaceuticals/technology companies). They’re wrapped up in it, profiting from it. Do you trust any of these people? You’re a fool if you do.

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #15286 on: June 16, 2021, 06:31:51 PM »
For those who are Covid Vaccine hesitant would Ivermectin not be a good alternative if authorised here?. It says in this article that it's been around since 1981 and reduces the risk of transmission by 88 per cent.

https://www.pharmacymagazine.co.uk/ivermectin-for-covid-19-a-cheap-drug-with-a-remarkable-effect

In this video it is claimed that if Ivermectin was used throughout the world then Covid would be gone within a month.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_NNTVJzqtY&t=2254s

Yes, but why have a cure, when they can keep it all going with annual vaccines, cripple the economy, destroy livelihoods  and control the population?

I said it months ago - this isn’t about a virus.

FFS have a read online about Ivermectin. It’s really that easy to get the full picture.

then why have there been experts calling for it to be used?

Because there are signs it can help in mild Covid cases. And perhaps it might be a very useful tool in fighting Covid. There’s certainly positive news around it. But there’s also a whole lot of mis-information. It’s not a wonder drug that cures Covid. It’s still not passed by the majority of health organisations as a treatment. So Building it up as a super cure doesn’t help.

Well of course it’s not! That won’t help sell vaccines, would it?  ::)

You do realize its much better for public health, and thus a return to normality, for people to be protected so they're most likely NOT to develop symptomatic disease in the first place, rather than rely on treatments, including drugs and up to intubation, afterwards?

There won’t be a return to normality. Even if covid is seen to be wiped out, they still won’t allow normality to return. Time will tell on how effective these vaccines are. But given that there’s talk of another wave in autumn, even with the vast majority of the population vaccinated, I’m guessing not that effective.

WHO won't allow normality to return even if COVID is wiped out??

You can be sure covid won’t be wiped out. Why would it be? Continual lockdowns/restrictions are doing their jobs. And sure no more vaccines would be sold, or vaccine passports wouldn’t be needed. Sure that makes no sense.

You said "Even if covid is seen to be wiped out, they still won’t allow normality to return."

And WHO are "Continual lockdowns/restrictions... doing their jobs" for?
And do they want to cripple the economy by keeping people at homeo or  make money selling vaccines?

I don’t buy into the big conspiracy argument at all. One thing that should be obvious from the past year is that nobody in power actually communicates as well as we hoped they might.

But in terms of “why would they want to crippled the economy?”. To be honest, I don’t think any of the Uk cabinet would give a f**k if London squalored into a slum, so long as they themselves are sitting high atop a pile of cash. I don’t follow Dublin politics as closely, but FF and FG’s tag team effort to destroy shelter as a basic human right, doesn’t make me think they’re interested in the future much either.


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« Reply #15287 on: June 16, 2021, 07:22:36 PM »
For those who are Covid Vaccine hesitant would Ivermectin not be a good alternative if authorised here?. It says in this article that it's been around since 1981 and reduces the risk of transmission by 88 per cent.

https://www.pharmacymagazine.co.uk/ivermectin-for-covid-19-a-cheap-drug-with-a-remarkable-effect

In this video it is claimed that if Ivermectin was used throughout the world then Covid would be gone within a month.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_NNTVJzqtY&t=2254s

Yes, but why have a cure, when they can keep it all going with annual vaccines, cripple the economy, destroy livelihoods  and control the population?

I said it months ago - this isn’t about a virus.

FFS have a read online about Ivermectin. It’s really that easy to get the full picture.

then why have there been experts calling for it to be used?

Because there are signs it can help in mild Covid cases. And perhaps it might be a very useful tool in fighting Covid. There’s certainly positive news around it. But there’s also a whole lot of mis-information. It’s not a wonder drug that cures Covid. It’s still not passed by the majority of health organisations as a treatment. So Building it up as a super cure doesn’t help.

Well of course it’s not! That won’t help sell vaccines, would it?  ::)

You do realize its much better for public health, and thus a return to normality, for people to be protected so they're most likely NOT to develop symptomatic disease in the first place, rather than rely on treatments, including drugs and up to intubation, afterwards?

There won’t be a return to normality. Even if covid is seen to be wiped out, they still won’t allow normality to return. Time will tell on how effective these vaccines are. But given that there’s talk of another wave in autumn, even with the vast majority of the population vaccinated, I’m guessing not that effective.

WHO won't allow normality to return even if COVID is wiped out??

You can be sure covid won’t be wiped out. Why would it be? Continual lockdowns/restrictions are doing their jobs. And sure no more vaccines would be sold, or vaccine passports wouldn’t be needed. Sure that makes no sense.

You said "Even if covid is seen to be wiped out, they still won’t allow normality to return."

And WHO are "Continual lockdowns/restrictions... doing their jobs" for?

I’ve explained in previous posts the reasons for lockdowns/restrictions.

It’s basically the problem-reaction-solution situation. Make life hell for people that they’ll agree to anything: mandatory vaccinations, vaccine passports (ie. ID cards), societal restrictions, continual tracking and monitoring of movements.

In recent days, the focus has turned from fighting a virus to introducing vaccine passports (which is essentially an ID card, that millions were opposed to when the likes of Blair/Bush spouted about after 9/11), to mandatory vaccinations or else you lose your job. And people are blindly, unquestionably accepting these.

Those making the decisions (government), covering it (media) , giving the advice (scientists/pharmaceuticals), benefitting from it (multi-national businesses, pharmaceuticals/technology companies). They’re wrapped up in it, profiting from it. Do you trust any of these people? You’re a fool if you do.

Next thing you’re going to be telling us is that the hellish scenes coming out of Bergamo in March of last year were all fabricated to facilitate the societal shutdowns and profiteering (leaving aside the devastation to worldwide supply chains and employment) that THEY® wanted. And that all the people we all know who got sick, and some of whom died, were all just paid actors!

I’ve had a vaccine passport for three months now. I’ve NEVER been asked for it, nor was I told to get it. I chose to get it for my own convenience so I’d have a handy phone app to show my vaccination record. The only prospect that I will be asked for it or other evidence of vaccination is if I go to a Broadway show or a concert or something, and for my work, where vaccinations are, correctly, being required of all employees this autumn as the entire workforce comes back. The state has my vaccination record whether I get the passport or not, just like they have records of my other vaccinations.

And vaccinations and vaccine passports are all part of fighting the virus and getting back to normal FFS. You want to attract people to indoor events where they’ll be reasonably secure and confident about not contracting COVID – have everyone show proof as a condition of entry. Just like you can be reasonably confident your kid won’t become seriously ill with measles at school because the school authority has a documented vaccine program in place as a condition of enrollment.

Shadowy entities controlling us all on strings to make profits me arse!

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #15288 on: June 16, 2021, 07:29:19 PM »
Vaccines are not a magic bullet.
AZ effectiveness versus the Delta variant is 60%. 
Delta is trebling every 2 weeks in the UK in June. This is senior hurling.
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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #15289 on: June 16, 2021, 08:10:51 PM »
Vaccines are not a magic bullet.
AZ effectiveness versus the Delta variant is 60%. 
Delta is trebling every 2 weeks in the UK in June. This is senior hurling.

UK Govt have ‘revised’ those figures to say a double dose of Pfizer is 96% effective and AZ is now 92% against the Delta Variant.

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« Reply #15290 on: June 16, 2021, 08:40:04 PM »
Vaccines are not a magic bullet.
AZ effectiveness versus the Delta variant is 60%. 
Delta is trebling every 2 weeks in the UK in June. This is senior hurling.

UK Govt have ‘revised’ those figures to say a double dose of Pfizer is 96% effective and AZ is now 92% against the Delta Variant.

Seafoid a bit slow on any new news and i don't think he realises the tabloids he reads tend strike fear into its readers.

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #15291 on: June 16, 2021, 08:48:51 PM »
Vaccines are not a magic bullet.
AZ effectiveness versus the Delta variant is 60%. 
Delta is trebling every 2 weeks in the UK in June. This is senior hurling.

UK Govt have ‘revised’ those figures to say a double dose of Pfizer is 96% effective and AZ is now 92% against the Delta Variant.

I think those figures are against hospitalisation.

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« Reply #15292 on: June 16, 2021, 09:06:57 PM »
For those who are Covid Vaccine hesitant would Ivermectin not be a good alternative if authorised here?. It says in this article that it's been around since 1981 and reduces the risk of transmission by 88 per cent.

https://www.pharmacymagazine.co.uk/ivermectin-for-covid-19-a-cheap-drug-with-a-remarkable-effect

In this video it is claimed that if Ivermectin was used throughout the world then Covid would be gone within a month.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_NNTVJzqtY&t=2254s

Yes, but why have a cure, when they can keep it all going with annual vaccines, cripple the economy, destroy livelihoods  and control the population?

I said it months ago - this isn’t about a virus.

FFS have a read online about Ivermectin. It’s really that easy to get the full picture.

then why have there been experts calling for it to be used?

Because there are signs it can help in mild Covid cases. And perhaps it might be a very useful tool in fighting Covid. There’s certainly positive news around it. But there’s also a whole lot of mis-information. It’s not a wonder drug that cures Covid. It’s still not passed by the majority of health organisations as a treatment. So Building it up as a super cure doesn’t help.

Well of course it’s not! That won’t help sell vaccines, would it?  ::)

You do realize its much better for public health, and thus a return to normality, for people to be protected so they're most likely NOT to develop symptomatic disease in the first place, rather than rely on treatments, including drugs and up to intubation, afterwards?

There won’t be a return to normality. Even if covid is seen to be wiped out, they still won’t allow normality to return. Time will tell on how effective these vaccines are. But given that there’s talk of another wave in autumn, even with the vast majority of the population vaccinated, I’m guessing not that effective.

WHO won't allow normality to return even if COVID is wiped out??

You can be sure covid won’t be wiped out. Why would it be? Continual lockdowns/restrictions are doing their jobs. And sure no more vaccines would be sold, or vaccine passports wouldn’t be needed. Sure that makes no sense.

You said "Even if covid is seen to be wiped out, they still won’t allow normality to return."

And WHO are "Continual lockdowns/restrictions... doing their jobs" for?

I’ve explained in previous posts the reasons for lockdowns/restrictions.

It’s basically the problem-reaction-solution situation. Make life hell for people that they’ll agree to anything: mandatory vaccinations, vaccine passports (ie. ID cards), societal restrictions, continual tracking and monitoring of movements.

In recent days, the focus has turned from fighting a virus to introducing vaccine passports (which is essentially an ID card, that millions were opposed to when the likes of Blair/Bush spouted about after 9/11), to mandatory vaccinations or else you lose your job. And people are blindly, unquestionably accepting these.

Those making the decisions (government), covering it (media) , giving the advice (scientists/pharmaceuticals), benefitting from it (multi-national businesses, pharmaceuticals/technology companies). They’re wrapped up in it, profiting from it. Do you trust any of these people? You’re a fool if you do.
Would biometric passports and SIM cards not have provided “them” with enough info already?

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #15293 on: June 16, 2021, 09:23:48 PM »
Vaccines are not a magic bullet.
AZ effectiveness versus the Delta variant is 60%. 
Delta is trebling every 2 weeks in the UK in June. This is senior hurling.

UK Govt have ‘revised’ those figures to say a double dose of Pfizer is 96% effective and AZ is now 92% against the Delta Variant.

I think those figures are against hospitalisation.

Your right Lenny but I’d still take that.

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« Reply #15294 on: June 16, 2021, 10:58:43 PM »
And so it begins. Get jabbed or lose your job.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57492264


Good.

At least some idiots that object to the vaccines for ill founded reasons will now be forced to do what they are too stupid to realise they should be doing.


Just as bull bars were banned on 4x4s to keep others safe, you don't have freedom to needlessly endanger vulnerable people through your own stupidity.
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« Reply #15295 on: June 17, 2021, 09:09:10 AM »
Donnie O'Sullivan (Kerry Man) who works with CNN spends his time interviewing conspiracy theorists and people who have been radicalised by Trump/Facebook/The Internet/etc. He is worth a follow.

A lot of it comes down to the fact that the world we live in is very complicated with nuances that are just not easily explained. And for people with a low intelligence or mental illness (even a mild one), these things are difficult to get their heads around. They seek solace in simplicity, it's all shady governments or big pharma or big tech. The world is pure chaos. Like a pandemic for fucks sake. It's just mental to think 18 months ago this was unimaginable. People struggle to understand and to explain it. They need a simple explanation and the reality is there isn't one. They then take an even more dangerous path into conspiracy theories.

If you find yourself in this spiral you need to stop. Reach out to someone and seek help.


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« Reply #15296 on: June 17, 2021, 11:44:11 AM »
Donnie O'Sullivan (Kerry Man) who works with CNN spends his time interviewing conspiracy theorists and people who have been radicalised by Trump/Facebook/The Internet/etc. He is worth a follow.

A lot of it comes down to the fact that the world we live in is very complicated with nuances that are just not easily explained. And for people with a low intelligence or mental illness (even a mild one), these things are difficult to get their heads around. They seek solace in simplicity, it's all shady governments or big pharma or big tech. The world is pure chaos. Like a pandemic for fucks sake. It's just mental to think 18 months ago this was unimaginable. People struggle to understand and to explain it. They need a simple explanation and the reality is there isn't one. They then take an even more dangerous path into conspiracy theories.

If you find yourself in this spiral you need to stop. Reach out to someone and seek help.

Aye, and I’m sure the British government/media put it about since the early 70’s that Bloody Sunday and Ballymurphy were conspiracy theories. Were  the families of both atrocities just “conspiracy theorists” for continually pushing for proper enquiries and ultimately, the truth? Were those seeking justice for clerical abuse conspiracy theorists? How about the families of the 96 Hillsborough victims?

If this pandemic has reinforced anything, it’s the amount of times we have been continually lied to, and we just cannot trust politicians , governments and media. Anyone  rolling the eyes at people taking an alternative view has to ask themselves 3 questions: do you trust everything politicians tell you? Do you trust everything governments tell you? Do you trust everything the media tells you? I will guarantee 100% of the posters on this forum wouldn’t answer ‘yes’ to all three, if indeed any. There’s your starting point...

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« Reply #15297 on: June 17, 2021, 11:55:03 AM »
Donnie O'Sullivan (Kerry Man) who works with CNN spends his time interviewing conspiracy theorists and people who have been radicalised by Trump/Facebook/The Internet/etc. He is worth a follow.

A lot of it comes down to the fact that the world we live in is very complicated with nuances that are just not easily explained. And for people with a low intelligence or mental illness (even a mild one), these things are difficult to get their heads around. They seek solace in simplicity, it's all shady governments or big pharma or big tech. The world is pure chaos. Like a pandemic for fucks sake. It's just mental to think 18 months ago this was unimaginable. People struggle to understand and to explain it. They need a simple explanation and the reality is there isn't one. They then take an even more dangerous path into conspiracy theories.

If you find yourself in this spiral you need to stop. Reach out to someone and seek help.

Aye, and I’m sure the British government/media put it about since the early 70’s that Bloody Sunday and Ballymurphy were conspiracy theories. Were  the families of both atrocities just “conspiracy theorists” for continually pushing for proper enquiries and ultimately, the truth? Were those seeking justice for clerical abuse conspiracy theorists? How about the families of the 96 Hillsborough victims?

If this pandemic has reinforced anything, it’s the amount of times we have been continually lied to, and we just cannot trust politicians , governments and media. Anyone  rolling the eyes at people taking an alternative view has to ask themselves 3 questions: do you trust everything politicians tell you? Do you trust everything governments tell you? Do you trust everything the media tells you? I will guarantee 100% of the posters on this forum wouldn’t answer ‘yes’ to all three, if indeed any. There’s your starting point...

You know what you are right. I don't always trust the British government. Or indeed the Chinese or American governments. But I would trust them ALL AND ALL the scientists when they say there is a pandemic, it is killing otherwise healthy people and we should get vaccinated (and there is a number of different vaccines)

You think that all the "big" pharma companies in conjunction with all the governments in the world, many who cannot stand the sight of each other, have put their differences aside to enslave the entire world population?

We can all pick out something that happened previously, and use it as fact that nobody can be trusted, but it simply isn't true. You can not trust the Briitsh government on one issue but you can on another and you can trust or not trust them on lots of different issues to different degrees all at the same time. The world is chaos it is not black and white.

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« Reply #15298 on: June 17, 2021, 12:32:49 PM »
I just finished renovating part of my house, and I want to furnish it.

The shelves in Ikea are basically f**king bare, as the pandemic has basically shut down their manufacturing completely and Ikea cannot say when they'll be fully stocked and back to business as usual. We can't get beds or the shelving we want. We did manage to get an order in for a couch from Pottery Barn or some other higher end shop back in March, but we won't see delivery of it until September!

Several major car companies, including Ford and Subaru, literally shut down their production lines in the US for a couple of months due to the chip shortage. The same shortage is affecting production of phones, computers, game consoles and other electronics. Anyone able to buy a PS5 for their kid yet?

On what f**king planet do governments want these shortages and inflationary pressures as they try to reopen economies and get life back to normal so they can keep their jobs at the next elections?

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« Reply #15299 on: June 17, 2021, 12:46:04 PM »
I just finished renovating part of my house, and I want to furnish it.

The shelves in Ikea are basically f**king bare, as the pandemic has basically shut down their manufacturing completely and Ikea cannot say when they'll be fully stocked and back to business as usual. We can't get beds or the shelving we want. We did manage to get an order in for a couch from Pottery Barn or some other higher end shop back in March, but we won't see delivery of it until September!

Several major car companies, including Ford and Subaru, literally shut down their production lines in the US for a couple of months due to the chip shortage. The same shortage is affecting production of phones, computers, game consoles and other electronics. Anyone able to buy a PS5 for their kid yet?

On what f**king planet do governments want these shortages and inflationary pressures as they try to reopen economies and get life back to normal so they can keep their jobs at the next elections?

I wouldn't like to be building a house in 2021 that's for sure.

Talking about PS5's - this is a useful twitter account if anyone is trying to source one.
https://twitter.com/PS5UKStock
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