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« Reply #23250 on: November 04, 2014, 10:08:56 PM »
This doesn't happen in the likes of donegal or tyrone shouldn't happen in down either schools have too much power in the matter

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« Reply #23251 on: November 04, 2014, 10:28:42 PM »
It has always been the case. What can be done about it is the question. There is motions going to congress to try and address burn out at that age one of them tackles the schools issue by having the hogan finished by 17 march but as you know these things are hard to get passed at congress. It is always disruptive to any county that has a school progressing well in Mc Crory for boys to just appear after the school is knocked out and lads there flat out all through the winter. Even Tyrone has these probelms

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« Reply #23252 on: November 05, 2014, 09:55:42 AM »
NP76 you say that like MacRory lads aren't training "flat out" over the winter. MacRory winter training is gruesome, sprinting up hills in Kilbroney, Tullymore and Castlewellan Park, these lads will never be fitter than what they will be around February time this year.

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« Reply #23253 on: November 05, 2014, 10:13:51 AM »
NP76 you say that like MacRory lads aren't training "flat out" over the winter. MacRory winter training is gruesome, sprinting up hills in Kilbroney, Tullymore and Castlewellan Park, these lads will never be fitter than what they will be around February time this year.

Absolutely. I would genuinely say that MacRory cup training is the closest a young player gets to professional in his career. I remember going Tue/Wed/Thu/Sat with the school, and that was just collective training. When the club got going, we were also filling in Mon/Fri/Sun. Every day of the week. Class. Burnout wont happen if you are enjoying it.  Its only an hour or so a day!!

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« Reply #23254 on: November 05, 2014, 10:30:56 AM »
I didn't say the Mc Crory boys weren't training flat out I meant that how would you feel to train flat out all winter for some boy to appear after the school is over to take your place. How would that lead to a healthy comradarie in a county set up. I know the training the schools do I have fone it in my time and it is as close to a county set up as there is.

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« Reply #23255 on: November 05, 2014, 12:59:33 PM »
I didn't say the Mc Crory boys weren't training flat out I meant that how would you feel to train flat out all winter for some boy to appear after the school is over to take your place. How would that lead to a healthy comradarie in a county set up. I know the training the schools do I have fone it in my time and it is as close to a county set up as there is.

It is the nature of the beast I'm afraid. All teams want their best players at the most important times and that's the bottom line. If you are blessed enough to be one of these players you are on a winner, if not you are going to have to work harder or hope for an injury. The reality is that if a schools player comes back he is arguably going to be a higher standard and thus the manager will want him in the team.

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« Reply #23256 on: November 05, 2014, 05:13:12 PM »
Agree with SuperSub it's just the way it is. I'm sure the lads who would already be on the team would know the score to begin with anyway.

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« Reply #23257 on: November 05, 2014, 07:16:39 PM »
MacRory football will always take precedence over early minor fixtures. It is one of the most prestigious competitions in Ulster football. Shane is the right man for the job and has been working over the year with development squads at u17 which has not seen a professionalism like this ever.
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« Reply #23258 on: November 05, 2014, 07:54:12 PM »
Down have been drawn to play Cavan, Monaghan and UUJ in group A of the 2015 McKenna cup.
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« Reply #23259 on: November 05, 2014, 08:10:37 PM »
Its very unfair on the young lads who are strung along having their heads filled with shite about playing championship in the summer, get to play in the league games and as soon as the college lads are finished handed a kit bag, told we will keep an eye on you but sent home humiliated. In most cases it seems the real squad is already predetermined regardless of performance.

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« Reply #23260 on: November 05, 2014, 11:34:24 PM »
MacRory football will always take precedence over early minor fixtures. It is one of the most prestigious competitions in Ulster football. Shane is the right man for the job and has been working over the year with development squads at u17 which has not seen a professionalism like this ever.
While not dis-agreeing with any of what has been said-I'll ask the question
-'has this method of Minor selection been successful?'

What method??
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« Reply #23261 on: November 05, 2014, 11:47:00 PM »
It happens in all counties in Ulster. Maybe a solution would be to have the Macrory and Hogan finished early as in my opinion in drags on too long and pre Christmas/McCormick is a pointless competition with the main teams  only starting really tough training around Xmas time.
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« Reply #23262 on: November 06, 2014, 07:52:32 AM »
There was a discussion on that Thomas to have it run off by start of the new year and the Hogan final to be played on March 17th. This would give the lads plenty of time to join up with the county teams. Whether or not it goes through is another thing. You know yourself how hard it is to make change

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« Reply #23263 on: November 06, 2014, 01:23:16 PM »
 :o That's some opening post!

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« Reply #23264 on: November 06, 2014, 02:13:15 PM »
There was a discussion on that Thomas to have it run off by start of the new year and the Hogan final to be played on March 17th. This would give the lads plenty of time to join up with the county teams. Whether or not it goes through is another thing. You know yourself how hard it is to make change
  It's only college players who can get on Down Minors these days.
Go back to 1999 and 2005  teams and see the make-up of those teams-not too
many profesionals today. Good honest players and just a few fancy dans. Only Garvey
playing now-shame.

True but you had Brendan Grant, Mark Doran, Liam Doyle, Benny, Mickey Walsh, Ronan Murtagh and Ronan Sexton who all came through from the 99 team to play senior county football for a considerable time.
05 team probably produced less players for a prolonged period such as Kevin McKernan and Conor Garvey.  But it did produce a number of players who played for a short time but made a significant impact in that time i.e. Martin Clarke, James Colgan, Peter Fitzpatrick and Paul McComiskey.

Between the two teams there were a number of other players who could/should have made an impact, Ciaran Brannigan, Kevin Duffin, Jamie O'reilly etc.