May 20th Kerry v Mayo, Fitzgerald Stadium, 3pm, GAAGO
May 27th Louth vs Cork, Páirc Tailteann, 3pm
Jun 3rd Cork v Kerry, Páirc Uí Chaoimh, 3pm (GAAGO)
June 4th Mayo vs Louth, MacHale Park, 2pm (RTÉ)
June 17/18 Kerry v Louth, TBD
June 17/18 Mayo v Cork, TBD
Kerry will be playing either Dublin, Galway or Derry in the quarter finals. Mayo had a huge win.
Kerry all at sea having to play competitive games in May. Can't cope not having to stick 20 points on Limerick or Clare before Cork roll over in some nonsense final.
Last year it was Kerry's turn to win an all Ireland based on previous experience . This a normal all Ireland winning outfit. Compared to that Dublin team. Maybe similar to Tyrone.
Very hard to back it up this year.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/24/darragh-o-se-kerry-need-major-reconstructive-surgery-to-deny-cork-redemption/
The way Kerry played lacked any cohesion. They weren't just a little bit off it. They were well off it. Second to everything, right from the bloody throw-in.
There were so many telltale signs, all over the field. Early on Jack Barry was dispossessed and he looked at the referee, as if asking for some sympathy. That's not the answer. The answer is to win the next ball, be every bit as aggressive, if not more so. There were a few more of those moments throughout the game.
Sizing up any team, in any proper championship match like that, you need nine or 10 of your players to perform close to their best to get over the line. Mayo had at least that many. Realistically, Kerry only had three or four. Shane Ryan, the Clifford brothers, and maybe Paul Geaney in the second half.
Kerry were expecting things to happen, Mayo made things happen. If you took out David Clifford, Paudie too, Kerry could have lost by 10 or 12 points. Easily. That's why you'd have to compliment David, again. When Kerry really needed the goals, he had three successive shots for goals.
Someone asked me was he selfish? He absolutely wasn't selfish. Kerry needed someone to bring them back into the game, he was single-handedly trying to do that. Had he got one of those goals, Kerry might just have got back into it.
Mayo were by far the better team, even though that didn't show on the scoreboard. Now, they aren't the finished article yet. They still have some flaws. It's certainly not the same old Mayo, and the goal they eventually got, from Eoghan McLaughlin, was excellently taken. If Mayo were properly clinical, they should have had two or three goals well before that.
The chances they did get were left behind. I don't think they were as decisive as Dublin would be, given those same chances. Or even Galway, for that matter.
Mayo's point-taking was exceptional. They've obviously done a lot of work on kicking from distance. Then again there was no great heat on them when kicking either, another big let-down from a Kerry point of view.
Mayo are also enjoying their football, you can see that. Kevin McStay is knocking a great tune out of them.
Quote from: seafoid on May 24, 2023, 11:45:06 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/24/darragh-o-se-kerry-need-major-reconstructive-surgery-to-deny-cork-redemption/
The way Kerry played lacked any cohesion. They weren't just a little bit off it. They were well off it. Second to everything, right from the bloody throw-in.
There were so many telltale signs, all over the field. Early on Jack Barry was dispossessed and he looked at the referee, as if asking for some sympathy. That's not the answer. The answer is to win the next ball, be every bit as aggressive, if not more so. There were a few more of those moments throughout the game.
Sizing up any team, in any proper championship match like that, you need nine or 10 of your players to perform close to their best to get over the line. Mayo had at least that many. Realistically, Kerry only had three or four. Shane Ryan, the Clifford brothers, and maybe Paul Geaney in the second half.
Kerry were expecting things to happen, Mayo made things happen. If you took out David Clifford, Paudie too, Kerry could have lost by 10 or 12 points. Easily. That's why you'd have to compliment David, again. When Kerry really needed the goals, he had three successive shots for goals.
Someone asked me was he selfish? He absolutely wasn't selfish. Kerry needed someone to bring them back into the game, he was single-handedly trying to do that. Had he got one of those goals, Kerry might just have got back into it.
Mayo were by far the better team, even though that didn't show on the scoreboard. Now, they aren't the finished article yet. They still have some flaws. It's certainly not the same old Mayo, and the goal they eventually got, from Eoghan McLaughlin, was excellently taken. If Mayo were properly clinical, they should have had two or three goals well before that.
The chances they did get were left behind. I don't think they were as decisive as Dublin would be, given those same chances. Or even Galway, for that matter.
Mayo's point-taking was exceptional. They've obviously done a lot of work on kicking from distance. Then again there was no great heat on them when kicking either, another big let-down from a Kerry point of view.
Mayo are also enjoying their football, you can see that. Kevin McStay is knocking a great tune out of them.
Majority of Mayo's scores was in the range from scores would be expected but the Kerry defence did give Mayo shooters plenty of space and time to kick those scores.
What is the reason we can't be informed as supporters where and when the third rd games will take place ?
Pat Spillane.
Kerry have now put themselves in a difficult position, in which they will now have to play an additional game - potentially against a strong opponent - in order to progress to the last eight, in a situation which they had hoped to avoid:
Jack O'Connor made no secret of the fact that he wanted to go the direct route. Now, almost certainly, once they win that one match or two, they'll be going in through the preliminary route. They will be going in the preliminary route, I can't see Mayo being beaten.
If they come second, they've home advantage - that's fine. But that means that Mayo will have a week's rest.
Those teams playing in the preliminary quarter-final will then the following week play the quarter-final, and the following week play the semi-final. Ha! I'll tell you this, if I was a manager, that's tough going.
If Kerry are second and have a home match in Killarney, they've a home match against say Tyrone or Armagh. That's not a gimme.
I'm not writing off Kerry, absolutely not writing off Kerry, but their task got that little bit more difficult since last Saturday.
This is the most open championship that I can remember...maybe somebody said since 2010.
In 2010 the four provincial winners got beaten, and Cork played Down in the final.
Obviously Dublin dominated since then, but I think it's the most open championship. I could pick out about seven counties that I feel have a chance. There's no outstanding team, none at all.
Kerry, Dublin, Derry, I could find flaws in every one of the leading contenders. That's what probably makes this year's championship so intriguing and so open. There are, I believe, seven in with a chance.
Kerry, Dublin, Derry, Mayo, Armagh, Tyrone, Galway...take your pick, in one of the most open All-Ireland football championships in recent memory.
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Pat Spillane.
Kerry have now put themselves in a difficult position, in which they will now have to play an additional game - potentially against a strong opponent - in order to progress to the last eight, in a situation which they had hoped to avoid:
Jack O'Connor made no secret of the fact that he wanted to go the direct route. Now, almost certainly, once they win that one match or two, they'll be going in through the preliminary route. They will be going in the preliminary route, I can't see Mayo being beaten.
If they come second, they've home advantage - that's fine. But that means that Mayo will have a week's rest.
Those teams playing in the preliminary quarter-final will then the following week play the quarter-final, and the following week play the semi-final. Ha! I'll tell you this, if I was a manager, that's tough going.
If Kerry are second and have a home match in Killarney, they've a home match against say Tyrone or Armagh. That's not a gimme.
I'm not writing off Kerry, absolutely not writing off Kerry, but their task got that little bit more difficult since last Saturday.
This is the most open championship that I can remember...maybe somebody said since 2010.
In 2010 the four provincial winners got beaten, and Cork played Down in the final.
Obviously Dublin dominated since then, but I think it's the most open championship. I could pick out about seven counties that I feel have a chance. There's no outstanding team, none at all.
Kerry, Dublin, Derry, I could find flaws in every one of the leading contenders. That's what probably makes this year's championship so intriguing and so open. There are, I believe, seven in with a chance.
Kerry, Dublin, Derry, Mayo, Armagh, Tyrone, Galway...take your pick, in one of the most open All-Ireland football championships in recent memory.
That article took Pat about 3 minutes to dial in.
Half time in Navan. Louth 0-7 Cork 1-8.
Full Time Louth 1-17 Cork 1-19
Missed the boat today. We'll just have to beat Kerry.
Mayo (All-Ireland SFC v Louth 4/6/2023):
Colm Reape (Knockmore);
Jack Coyne (Ballyhaunis),
David McBrien (Ballaghaderreen),
Sam Callinan (Ballina Stephenites);
Paddy Durcan (Castlebar Mitchels, captain),
Conor Loftus (Crossmolina Deel Rovers),
Stephen Coen (Hollymount/Carramore);
Matthew Ruane (Breaffy),
Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber);
Fionn McDonagh (Westport),
Jack Carney (Kilmeena),
Jordan Flynn (Crossmolina Deel Rovers);
Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy),
James Carr (Ardagh),
Ryan O'Donoghue (Belmullet).
Subs: Rory Byrne (Castlebar Mitchels), Tommy Conroy (The Neale), Jason Doherty (Burrishoole), Enda Hession (Garrymore), Frank Irwin (Ballina Stephenites), James McCormack (Claremorris), Donnacha McHugh (Castlebar Mitchels), Conor McStay (Ballina Stephenites), Padraig O'Hora (Ballina Stephenites), Paul Towey (Charlestown Sarsfields), Bob Tuohy (Castlebar Mitchels).
Could be a more difficult day in castlebar than the bookies suggest . Be a terrible watch with our bucks just squeezing past in the last 15mins when the blanket starts to tire .
What's the story with Rob Hennelly? Has he retired from inter county?
Eoghan McLoughlin injured?
Yep , a fairly serious hand injury , won't be available for selection for a while . Cillian has had another knock back too . Tommy conroy struggling to find the form of two yrs ago and might never recover right . Robbie hennelly is part of the extended panel .
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What's the story with Rob Hennelly? Has he retired from inter county?
Trying to get on dublin panel ;)
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Could be a more difficult day in castlebar than the bookies suggest . Be a terrible watch with our bucks just squeezing past in the last 15mins when the blanket starts to tire .
Louth are poor defensively. I'd expect Mayo to score high have this contest wrapped up long before the last 15 minutes.
The team named to start is the same one that was published to start against Kerry yet three changes was made before throw in, the same to happen again here?
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Quote from: larryin89 on June 02, 2023, 11:04:34 AM
Could be a more difficult day in castlebar than the bookies suggest . Be a terrible watch with our bucks just squeezing past in the last 15mins when the blanket starts to tire .
Louth are poor defensively. I'd expect Mayo to score high have this contest wrapped up long before the last 15 minutes.
The team named to start is the same one that was published to start against Kerry yet three changes was made before throw in, the same to happen again here?
Perhaps they will , in the grand scheme of things though tbh from a mayo supporters perspective we aren't far enough down the road to win it out . Too inexperienced at the back but it will be a good experience gained for them if they reach the qf .
Louth in their last two games conceded 6-40 and gave up 70 scoring opportunities. If Mayo can score 1-19 away to Kerry what will they score this weekend at home having not played last week unlike Louth? The match Louth needed to win to reach the knock out stage was last week against Cork.
The bookies and it's punters reckon Mayo by at least 8 points and I'll be surprised if it's under that margin.
Louth team
James Califf
Dermot Campbell
Peter Lynch
Donal Mckenny
Leonard Grey
Niall Sharkey
Anthony Williams
Tommy Durnin
Conor Early
Conall Mckeever
Ciaran Downey
Conor Grimes
Paul Mathews
Sam Mulroy
Craig Lennon.
Subs: Peter Mcstravick, Ryan Burns, Jonathan Commins, Bevan Duffy, Liam Jackson, Ciaran Keenan, Conall Mccaul, Daire Mcconnon, Oisin Mcguinness, Dylan Mckeown, Ciaran Murphy.
KERRY:
S. Ryan
G. O’Sullivan
J. Foley
T. O’Sullivan
P. Murphy
T. Morley
G. White
D. O’Connor
J. Barry
D. Moynihan
S. O’Shea
A. Spillane
P. Clifford
D. Clifford
P. Geaney.
Subs: S. Murphy, T. Brosnan, D. Casey, B.D. O’Sullivan, R. Murphy, M. Burns, M. Breen, Stephen O’Brien, D. O’Sullivan, C. O’Donoghue, Seán O’Brien.
CORK:
M Martin
M Shanley
R Maguire
K O'Donovan
L Fahy
D O'Mahony
M Taylor
C O'Callaghan
I Maguire
B O'Driscoll
R Deane
K O'Hanlon
S Powter
B Hurley
C Óg Jones
Subs: P Doyle, C Kiely, T Clancy, K Flahive, P Walsh, E McSweeney, B Murphy, J O'Rourke, M Cronin, S Sherlock, F Herlihy.
Half time Cork 0-5 Kerry 0-9
The very small attendance shows that the GAA needs to price these games much lower to encourage higher attendance
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The very small attendance shows that the GAA needs to price these games much lower to encourage higher attendance
Or maybe people see it was a low grade Munster championship game and have better things to be doing on a Bank Holiday weekend.
48 mins played a penalty goal for Kerry, the foul looked outside the area. 1-10 to 0-10 and Cork down to 14 men with a black card.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2023, 04:12:05 PM
48 mins played a penalty goal for Kerry, the foul looked outside the area. 1-10 to 0-10 and Cork down to 14 men with a black card.
That ref just can't help himself -- needs to be a talking point.
Quote from: dec on June 03, 2023, 03:48:52 PM
The very small attendance shows that the GAA needs to price these games much lower to encourage higher attendance
It is question of competition, look at the hurling crowds. If competition is good then the price is no object.
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48 mins played a penalty goal for Kerry, the foul looked outside the area. 1-10 to 0-10 and Cork down to 14 men with a black card.
That ref just can't help himself -- needs to be a talking point.
It can be outside the box and a penalty though did they not say? If it's a clear goalscoring opportunity, which I'm not sure it was
Kerry have been very poor this year
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Quote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2023, 04:12:05 PM
48 mins played a penalty goal for Kerry, the foul looked outside the area. 1-10 to 0-10 and Cork down to 14 men with a black card.
That ref just can't help himself -- needs to be a talking point.
It can be outside the box and a penalty though did they not say? If it's a clear goalscoring opportunity, which I'm not sure it was
He done that before against Tyrone. Tyrone had a player covering the defence and he gave a penalty for a foul outside the box even thought the forward had another player to get past.
At this stage he really is a joke. Shame as he used to be a top ref.
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48 mins played a penalty goal for Kerry, the foul looked outside the area. 1-10 to 0-10 and Cork down to 14 men with a black card.
That ref just can't help himself -- needs to be a talking point.
It can be outside the box and a penalty though did they not say? If it's a clear goalscoring opportunity, which I'm not sure it was
Definitely
wasn't a clear goal scoring opportunity.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2023, 04:12:05 PM
48 mins played a penalty goal for Kerry, the foul looked outside the area. 1-10 to 0-10 and Cork down to 14 men with a black card.
That ref just can't help himself -- needs to be a talking point.
It can be outside the box and a penalty though did they not say? If it's a clear goalscoring opportunity, which I'm not sure it was
Definitely wasn't a clear goal scoring opportunity.
I didn't think so either
FT Cork 0-15 Kerry 1-14. The very debateable penalty the difference in the end.
David Gough cost Cork that game.
Kerry blanket was good but the turnover on 71 minutes when there was 2 points in it was never a free for Kerry
Whatever about the blanket / lateral play, something has to be done about the constant cynical 'choke' tackling, stopping players / teams breaking. Kerry at it constantly today, Monaghan at it constantly last Saturday (ref didn't produce a yellow card for it until the 31st minute). Zero flow to the game when this is allowed without punishment
I had said in another thread that I fancied Cork. They came so so close. Still think Sam goes to Galway to an Ulster team.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2023, 04:12:05 PM
48 mins played a penalty goal for Kerry, the foul looked outside the area. 1-10 to 0-10 and Cork down to 14 men with a black card.
That ref just can't help himself -- needs to be a talking point.
It can be outside the box and a penalty though did they not say? If it's a clear goalscoring opportunity, which I'm not sure it was
Definitely wasn't a clear goal scoring opportunity.
There's nothing in the rules about it having to be a clear goal scoring opportunity.
I don't think anyone can make the case that there wasn't a chance of a goal in this situation given the lack of Cork's cover and the fact that Geaney has scored a number of goals against Cork over the years.
Gough got this spot on imo.
Kerry fairly unimpressive bar Clifford (really can't see an All-Ireland in them) and Cork while they got close on the scoreline are still miles off being a top team.
Quote5.41 Notwithstanding provisions of existing Playing Rules 2.2 Exception (i), 5 and specifically 5.40, if one of the following infractions-
(a) To deliberately pull down an opponent (5.10) or
(b) To deliberately trip an opponent with hand (s),arm, leg, or foot, (5.11) or
(c) To deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play (5.12) is committed on an attacking player who or, in the case of a Rule 5.12 (Football) Infraction, his team, is denied of a goal-scoring opportunity, as defined in Important Terms and Definitions 9, the following penalties shall apply:
(i) A Penalty Kick shall be awarded to the team affected.
(ii) The offender shall be issued with a Black Card and be sent to the Sin Bin for 10 minutes.
Quote9. GOAL-SCORING OPPORTUNITY (Denial of)
In the context of Temporary Rules 5.45 (Hurling)/5.41 (Football)
A situation requiring each of the following criteria:
(i) The attacking player fouled, as specified in these Temporary Rules, shall be in possession of the ball, except in the case of Rule 5.12 (Football).
Possession shall include a player being in control of the ball as specified in any one or more Rule 1-The Play sub-sections 1.3,1.4,1.7
(Hurling); 1.4,1.5 (Football).
(ii) The location of the infraction shall be either:
(a) Inside the 20-metre line, but as a 'rule of thumb' not within 25 metres infield of each sideline or
(b) Within the semi-circular Arc.
(iii) In the opinion of the Referee, the player fouled or, in the case of a Rule 5.12 Infraction, his team, had and was denied of the opportunity to score a goal when the infraction was committed.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2023, 04:12:05 PM
48 mins played a penalty goal for Kerry, the foul looked outside the area. 1-10 to 0-10 and Cork down to 14 men with a black card.
That ref just can't help himself -- needs to be a talking point.
It can be outside the box and a penalty though did they not say? If it's a clear goalscoring opportunity, which I'm not sure it was
Definitely wasn't a clear goal scoring opportunity.
There's nothing in the rules about it having to be a clear goal scoring opportunity.
I don't think anyone can make the case that there wasn't a chance of a goal in this situation given the lack of Cork's cover and the fact that Geaney has scored a number of goals against Cork over the years.
Gough got this spot on imo.
Kerry fairly unimpressive bar Clifford (really can't see an All-Ireland in them) and Cork while they got close on the scoreline are still miles off being a top team.
Quote5.41 Notwithstanding provisions of existing Playing Rules 2.2 Exception (i), 5 and specifically 5.40, if one of the following infractions-
(a) To deliberately pull down an opponent (5.10) or
(b) To deliberately trip an opponent with hand (s),arm, leg, or foot, (5.11) or
(c) To deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play (5.12) is committed on an attacking player who or, in the case of a Rule 5.12 (Football) Infraction, his team, is denied of a goal-scoring opportunity, as defined in Important Terms and Definitions 9, the following penalties shall apply:
(i) A Penalty Kick shall be awarded to the team affected.
(ii) The offender shall be issued with a Black Card and be sent to the Sin Bin for 10 minutes.
Quote9. GOAL-SCORING OPPORTUNITY (Denial of)
In the context of Temporary Rules 5.45 (Hurling)/5.41 (Football)
A situation requiring each of the following criteria:
(i) The attacking player fouled, as specified in these Temporary Rules, shall be in possession of the ball, except in the case of Rule 5.12 (Football).
Possession shall include a player being in control of the ball as specified in any one or more Rule 1-The Play sub-sections 1.3,1.4,1.7
(Hurling); 1.4,1.5 (Football).
(ii) The location of the infraction shall be either:
(a) Inside the 20-metre line, but as a 'rule of thumb' not within 25 metres infield of each sideline or
(b) Within the semi-circular Arc.
(iii) In the opinion of the Referee, the player fouled or, in the case of a Rule 5.12 Infraction, his team, had and was denied of the opportunity to score a goal when the infraction was committed.
https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1665014923653423105
remains debatable for me. Either way that score was difference between the teams. Good improvement by Cork compared to their last two championship games against Kerry but Kerry lacking the organisation and hunger they had last year.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2023, 04:12:05 PM
48 mins played a penalty goal for Kerry, the foul looked outside the area. 1-10 to 0-10 and Cork down to 14 men with a black card.
That ref just can't help himself -- needs to be a talking point.
It can be outside the box and a penalty though did they not say? If it's a clear goalscoring opportunity, which I'm not sure it was
Definitely wasn't a clear goal scoring opportunity.
There's nothing in the rules about it having to be a clear goal scoring opportunity.
I don't think anyone can make the case that there wasn't a chance of a goal in this situation given the lack of Cork's cover and the fact that Geaney has scored a number of goals against Cork over the years.
Gough got this spot on imo.
Kerry fairly unimpressive bar Clifford (really can't see an All-Ireland in them) and Cork while they got close on the scoreline are still miles off being a top team.
Quote5.41 Notwithstanding provisions of existing Playing Rules 2.2 Exception (i), 5 and specifically 5.40, if one of the following infractions-
(a) To deliberately pull down an opponent (5.10) or
(b) To deliberately trip an opponent with hand (s),arm, leg, or foot, (5.11) or
(c) To deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play (5.12) is committed on an attacking player who or, in the case of a Rule 5.12 (Football) Infraction, his team, is denied of a goal-scoring opportunity, as defined in Important Terms and Definitions 9, the following penalties shall apply:
(i) A Penalty Kick shall be awarded to the team affected.
(ii) The offender shall be issued with a Black Card and be sent to the Sin Bin for 10 minutes.
Quote9. GOAL-SCORING OPPORTUNITY (Denial of)
In the context of Temporary Rules 5.45 (Hurling)/5.41 (Football)
A situation requiring each of the following criteria:
(i) The attacking player fouled, as specified in these Temporary Rules, shall be in possession of the ball, except in the case of Rule 5.12 (Football).
Possession shall include a player being in control of the ball as specified in any one or more Rule 1-The Play sub-sections 1.3,1.4,1.7
(Hurling); 1.4,1.5 (Football).
(ii) The location of the infraction shall be either:
(a) Inside the 20-metre line, but as a 'rule of thumb' not within 25 metres infield of each sideline or
(b) Within the semi-circular Arc.
(iii) In the opinion of the Referee, the player fouled or, in the case of a Rule 5.12 Infraction, his team, had and was denied of the opportunity to score a goal when the infraction was committed.
Nothing definitive there, Gough needs to be a talking point, simple as.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2023, 06:51:20 PM
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 03, 2023, 04:22:05 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2023, 04:12:05 PM
48 mins played a penalty goal for Kerry, the foul looked outside the area. 1-10 to 0-10 and Cork down to 14 men with a black card.
That ref just can't help himself -- needs to be a talking point.
It can be outside the box and a penalty though did they not say? If it's a clear goalscoring opportunity, which I'm not sure it was
Definitely wasn't a clear goal scoring opportunity.
There's nothing in the rules about it having to be a clear goal scoring opportunity.
I don't think anyone can make the case that there wasn't a chance of a goal in this situation given the lack of Cork's cover and the fact that Geaney has scored a number of goals against Cork over the years.
Gough got this spot on imo.
Kerry fairly unimpressive bar Clifford (really can't see an All-Ireland in them) and Cork while they got close on the scoreline are still miles off being a top team.
Quote5.41 Notwithstanding provisions of existing Playing Rules 2.2 Exception (i), 5 and specifically 5.40, if one of the following infractions-
(a) To deliberately pull down an opponent (5.10) or
(b) To deliberately trip an opponent with hand (s),arm, leg, or foot, (5.11) or
(c) To deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play (5.12) is committed on an attacking player who or, in the case of a Rule 5.12 (Football) Infraction, his team, is denied of a goal-scoring opportunity, as defined in Important Terms and Definitions 9, the following penalties shall apply:
(i) A Penalty Kick shall be awarded to the team affected.
(ii) The offender shall be issued with a Black Card and be sent to the Sin Bin for 10 minutes.
Quote9. GOAL-SCORING OPPORTUNITY (Denial of)
In the context of Temporary Rules 5.45 (Hurling)/5.41 (Football)
A situation requiring each of the following criteria:
(i) The attacking player fouled, as specified in these Temporary Rules, shall be in possession of the ball, except in the case of Rule 5.12 (Football).
Possession shall include a player being in control of the ball as specified in any one or more Rule 1-The Play sub-sections 1.3,1.4,1.7
(Hurling); 1.4,1.5 (Football).
(ii) The location of the infraction shall be either:
(a) Inside the 20-metre line, but as a 'rule of thumb' not within 25 metres infield of each sideline or
(b) Within the semi-circular Arc.
(iii) In the opinion of the Referee, the player fouled or, in the case of a Rule 5.12 Infraction, his team, had and was denied of the opportunity to score a goal when the infraction was committed.
https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1665014923653423105
remains debatable for me. Either way that score was difference between the teams. Good improvement by Cork compared to their last two championship games against Kerry but Kerry lacking the organisation and hunger they had last year.
Possibly if Paudie Clifford wasn't coming into the square unmarked but given he was I think there is no way you can say it wasn't a goal-scoring chance.
Player deliberately brought down, black card, was it a goal scoring opportunity? We will never know as he was brought down going in on goal. It could be a goal scoring opportunity or someone could have blocked it or he sent it wide.
The defender made his decision and the ref made his.
Don't give the ref the opportunity to make that call, defender cost his team possibly with that rash tackle
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 02, 2023, 10:58:13 AM
Mayo (All-Ireland SFC v Louth 4/6/2023):
Colm Reape (Knockmore);
Jack Coyne (Ballyhaunis),
David McBrien (Ballaghaderreen),
Sam Callinan (Ballina Stephenites);
Paddy Durcan (Castlebar Mitchels, captain),
Conor Loftus (Crossmolina Deel Rovers),
Stephen Coen (Hollymount/Carramore);
Matthew Ruane (Breaffy),
Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber);
Fionn McDonagh (Westport),
Jack Carney (Kilmeena),
Jordan Flynn (Crossmolina Deel Rovers);
Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy),
James Carr (Ardagh),
Ryan O'Donoghue (Belmullet).
Subs: Rory Byrne (Castlebar Mitchels), Tommy Conroy (The Neale), Jason Doherty (Burrishoole), Enda Hession (Garrymore), Frank Irwin (Ballina Stephenites), James McCormack (Claremorris), Donnacha McHugh (Castlebar Mitchels), Conor McStay (Ballina Stephenites), Padraig O'Hora (Ballina Stephenites), Paul Towey (Charlestown Sarsfields), Bob Tuohy (Castlebar Mitchels).
Plenty of changes to the Mayo starting 15:
(18) Jason Doherty replaces (10) Fionn McDonagh.
(24) Padraig O'Hora replaces (5) Paddy Durcan.
(22) Donnacha McHugh replaces (9) Diarmuid O'Connor.
Aiden Orme added to the Mayo 26 and will wear No. 9.
First time I've heard Paul Flynn doing co-commentator. He's good.
McHale park pitch in poor shape. What's the story there?
Can't expect too much in a county as rain-deprived as Mayo.
2 ridiculous frees from Conor lane to Rossies already. He's a poor ref
17 steps from Durcan there
Louth left that behind them with a lack of quality. Physically and emotionally they were well up for it but just couldn't execute when it mattered fair play to them they're definitely on the up.
Mayo very flat that's all the main contenders who have been flat recently hard to predict much from the group stages.
MGHU 0-14
Louth 1-10
Cavanagh v Whelan.
Christ
Quote from: screenexile on June 04, 2023, 03:40:47 PM
Louth left that behind them with a lack of quality. Physically and emotionally they were well up for it but just couldn't execute when it mattered fair play to them they're definitely on the up.
Mayo very flat that's all the main contenders who have been flat recently hard to predict much from the group stages.
Who in under God has Mayo as a genuine contender to win the All-Ireland? Have they not watched football in the last 30 years?
Quote from: greatpoint on June 04, 2023, 03:50:31 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 04, 2023, 03:40:47 PM
Louth left that behind them with a lack of quality. Physically and emotionally they were well up for it but just couldn't execute when it mattered fair play to them they're definitely on the up.
Mayo very flat that's all the main contenders who have been flat recently hard to predict much from the group stages.
Who in under God has Mayo as a genuine contender to win the All-Ireland? Have they not watched football in the last 30 years?
Totally agree , I don't get where it's coming from , we are a pale shadow of the 13-17 team .
Quote from: larryin89 on June 04, 2023, 04:54:42 PM
Totally agree , I don't get where it's coming from , we are a pale shadow of the 13-17 team .
Recent SAM winners like Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone have shown no form either, all are a shadow on the 13-17 team.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 04, 2023, 05:03:23 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 04, 2023, 04:54:42 PM
Totally agree , I don't get where it's coming from , we are a pale shadow of the 13-17 team .
Recent SAM winners like Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone have shown no form either, all are a shadow on the 13-17 team.
That makes sense if you think of the smothering effect the 6 in a row had on the natural operation of the championship.
Tyrone got to the final in 2018 and Kerry in 2019 . Under the normal system they would have won the all Ireland the year later (Mayo have a different system).
But they had to wait 3 years more. And 4 years is a normal cycle at the top for 1 all Ireland.
Quote from: seafoid on June 04, 2023, 06:24:32 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 04, 2023, 05:03:23 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 04, 2023, 04:54:42 PM
Totally agree , I don't get where it's coming from , we are a pale shadow of the 13-17 team .
Recent SAM winners like Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone have shown no form either, all are a shadow on the 13-17 team.
That makes sense if you think of the smothering effect the 6 in a row had on the natural operation of the championship.
Tyrone got to the final in 2018 and 2019 . Under the normal system they would have won the all Ireland the year later (Mayo have a different system).
But they had to wait 3 years more. And 4 years is a normal cycle at the top for 1 all Ireland.
Where did you get that from? I thought you were an expert on all things GAA and plenty of other things besides...
Quote from: blasmere on June 04, 2023, 06:36:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 04, 2023, 06:24:32 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 04, 2023, 05:03:23 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 04, 2023, 04:54:42 PM
Totally agree , I don't get where it's coming from , we are a pale shadow of the 13-17 team .
Recent SAM winners like Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone have shown no form either, all are a shadow on the 13-17 team.
That makes sense if you think of the smothering effect the 6 in a row had on the natural operation of the championship.
Tyrone got to the final in 2018 and 2019 . Under the normal system they would have won the all Ireland the year later (Mayo have a different system).
But they had to wait 3 years more. And 4 years is a normal cycle at the top for 1 all Ireland.
Where did you get that from? I thought you were an expert on all things GAA and plenty of other things besides...
Gremlins
the Dub stranglehold had the effect of promoting Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo as also rans. There was nobody else . Now that the Dubs are finished, there is a shortgage of contenders.
Kerry haven't looked this bad in consecutive championship appearances since their games against Cork and Sligo in 2009...
Sad to see a proud footballing county set up as they did yesterday. After 5 minutes there was only going to be 1 winner. Interesting to hear from the Louth posters on here.
The irony was at the end when Louth were 5 down did ye wake up and play football and stopped the puke. Ye done us a right favour yesterday anyhow, thanks.
Looking at the highlights you would not think so much money was spent on the MacHale pitch upgrade. Know we've had warm weather but looks a botched job by Mayo county board.
"There is something just not right with Kerry"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hxB7ou_pCw
Quote from: weareros on June 05, 2023, 11:37:52 AM
Looking at the highlights you would not think so much money was spent on the MacHale pitch upgrade. Know we've had warm weather but looks a botched job by Mayo county board.
It was a disaster , im not sure on the details but it's the contractor that's at fault , cb obviously choose the contractor but I'm not sure they can be blamed . I mean ya raise the funds and get a contractor to do the work , perhaps they were just unlucky it's gone wrong and I'd imagine there is a guarantee too so maybe it won't cost anything to fix it and it will be the contractor that has to put it right free of cost .
Quote from: highorlow on June 05, 2023, 07:50:05 AM
Sad to see a proud footballing county set up as they did yesterday. After 5 minutes there was only going to be 1 winner. Interesting to hear from the Louth posters on here.
The irony was at the end when Louth were 5 down did ye wake up and play football and stopped the puke. Ye done us a right favour yesterday anyhow, thanks.
Right favour in what manner? Louth set up in a suitable way against top 6 team they did the opposite against Dublin and shipped 21 point beating. They were looking dangerous for a goal throughout unfortunately for them the goal came to late to cause the upset of the championship thus far.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 05, 2023, 03:19:23 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 05, 2023, 07:50:05 AM
Sad to see a proud footballing county set up as they did yesterday. After 5 minutes there was only going to be 1 winner. Interesting to hear from the Louth posters on here.
The irony was at the end when Louth were 5 down did ye wake up and play football and stopped the puke. Ye done us a right favour yesterday anyhow, thanks.
Right favour in what manner? Louth set up in a suitable way against top 6 team they did the opposite against Dublin and shipped 21 point beating. They were looking dangerous for a goal throughout unfortunately for them the goal came to late to cause the upset of the championship thus far.
Agree 100%, what were Louth supposed to do. In addition Mayo can expect more of the same going forward, and if we are to win an All-Ireland, we better fine tune our forward play.
I watched a lot of football games in their entirety this weekend, The forward play of Derry and Tyrone was very very effective against defenses.
Tyrone's backs are a bit dodgy, Derry best transition team in the country by a good bit, however they seem a bit tired.
Mayo will have to cut out silly turnovers.
Quote from: joemamas on June 05, 2023, 05:53:51 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 05, 2023, 03:19:23 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 05, 2023, 07:50:05 AM
Sad to see a proud footballing county set up as they did yesterday. After 5 minutes there was only going to be 1 winner. Interesting to hear from the Louth posters on here.
The irony was at the end when Louth were 5 down did ye wake up and play football and stopped the puke. Ye done us a right favour yesterday anyhow, thanks.
Right favour in what manner? Louth set up in a suitable way against top 6 team they did the opposite against Dublin and shipped 21 point beating. They were looking dangerous for a goal throughout unfortunately for them the goal came to late to cause the upset of the championship thus far.
Agree 100%, what were Louth supposed to do. In addition Mayo can expect more of the same going forward, and if we are to win an All-Ireland, we better fine tune our forward play.
I watched a lot of football games in their entirety this weekend, The forward play of Derry and Tyrone was very very effective against defenses.
Tyrone's backs are a bit dodgy, Derry best transition team in the country by a good bit, however they seem a bit tired.
Mayo will have to cut out silly turnovers.
Derry game plan is similar to Donegal in 2011 or so. Relies heavily on fitness and conditioning. Players can only sustain it for a few seasons.
Players are way fitter than 10yrs ago.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 05, 2023, 06:47:57 PM
Players are way fitter than 10yrs ago.
The general level of fitness is. 10 years ago only say Dublin , Donegal and Mayo would have been super fit. Now most teams are
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 05, 2023, 06:24:15 PM
Quote from: joemamas on June 05, 2023, 05:53:51 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 05, 2023, 03:19:23 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 05, 2023, 07:50:05 AM
Sad to see a proud footballing county set up as they did yesterday. After 5 minutes there was only going to be 1 winner. Interesting to hear from the Louth posters on here.
The irony was at the end when Louth were 5 down did ye wake up and play football and stopped the puke. Ye done us a right favour yesterday anyhow, thanks.
Right favour in what manner? Louth set up in a suitable way against top 6 team they did the opposite against Dublin and shipped 21 point beating. They were looking dangerous for a goal throughout unfortunately for them the goal came to late to cause the upset of the championship thus far.
Agree 100%, what were Louth supposed to do. In addition Mayo can expect more of the same going forward, and if we are to win an All-Ireland, we better fine tune our forward play.
I watched a lot of football games in their entirety this weekend, The forward play of Derry and Tyrone was very very effective against defenses.
Tyrone's backs are a bit dodgy, Derry best transition team in the country by a good bit, however they seem a bit tired.
Mayo will have to cut out silly turnovers.
Derry game plan is similar to Donegal in 2011 or so. Relies heavily on fitness and conditioning. Players can only sustain it for a few seasons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZxysKL-oAE&t=1670s
The Tippy-Tappey stuff continues. Mayo fell a little awkwardly over the line in McHale Park. But over the line they fell. Why they wanted to beat Louth by more than 4 points coming into the last 5-10 minutes beats me. Why chase a game you are winning. If the opposition want to park the bus and are losing. Let them park the bus and just hold onto the ball.
Well done to Louth who had a plan of staying in the game for as long as possible.
If Louth think putting all 15 players inside the 45 for the whole match is progress rather than surrender then good luck to them. It's embarrassing.
Quote from: highorlow on June 06, 2023, 08:50:57 AM
If Louth think putting all 15 players inside the 45 for the whole match is progress rather than surrender then good luck to them. It's embarrassing.
Progress on whatever they were trying in Leinster final which was truly embarrassing.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 06, 2023, 01:41:55 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 06, 2023, 08:50:57 AM
If Louth think putting all 15 players inside the 45 for the whole match is progress rather than surrender then good luck to them. It's embarrassing.
Progress on whatever they were trying in Leinster final which was truly embarrassing.
good riddance to louth manager . his goal seem to be destroy interest in football
If only Louth were good little boys, turned up and let the Rhus run riot and lose by 4-20 to 1-10 football would be saved.
Quote from: rosnarun on June 06, 2023, 03:14:21 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 06, 2023, 01:41:55 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 06, 2023, 08:50:57 AM
If Louth think putting all 15 players inside the 45 for the whole match is progress rather than surrender then good luck to them. It's embarrassing.
Progress on whatever they were trying in Leinster final which was truly embarrassing.
good riddance to louth manager . his goal seem to be destroy interest in football
Enough of the hyperbole. Don't like Tyrone however can acknowledge Mickey Harte has been among the best football managers over the last 20 years. No disrespect to Louth they'd probably be struggling in Tailteann cup without Harte and most certainly wouldn't be finishing 3rd in Division two and getting within one point of score of Mayo in MacHale Park in the championship.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2023, 04:16:11 PM
If only Louth were good little boys, turned up and let the Rhus run riot and lose by 4-20 to 1-10 football would be saved.
You're buying into this because of Roscommons tactics v Dublin were similar and highlighted in a negative manner in a lot of the commentary. That is your right but we shall see how it all pans out , if it's Ros , Galway and Derry (which is very possible ) amongst the last four it will certainly put it to the test , if it's Dublin , Kerry and Mayo amongst the last four that's another story and a theory we can then discuss at a later date. Best of luck to ye in the championship.
There's a match on Sunday :)
Quote from: highorlow on June 13, 2023, 10:34:47 AM
There's a match on Sunday :)
Northern Teams have achieved step one.
Make sure no one cares
Step 2 let all chips on shoulder grow and Multiple
AS for overall
when there is no outstanding candidate Kerry pick up another all Ireland
Quote from: rosnarun on June 13, 2023, 10:59:37 AM
Quote from: highorlow on June 13, 2023, 10:34:47 AM
There's a match on Sunday :)
Northern Teams have achieved step one.
Make sure no one cares
Step 2 let all chips on shoulder grow and Multiple
AS for overall
when there is no outstanding candidate Kerry pick up another all Ireland
Don't blame the Northern counties. Not our fault Connacht decided to check out of the AI series over 20 years ago!! The whest has been asleep at the wheel. Maybe Galway with save your blushes this year.
from Irish Examiner podcast.
Former Mayo football manager James Horan believes the Kevin Walsh factor will make Sunday's trip to the Gaelic Grounds to face Cork even tougher.
Walsh had a great record against Mayo as Galway manager, from 2014 to 2019, as his side's defeated their provincial rivals six times in seven matches.
The Killannin man is now a coach in Cork boss John Cleary's backroom team, and Horan knows first-hand how Walsh improves teams.
"He changed Galway football significantly. Before, in the media, it was always how stylish, how skilful they were, from Michael Donnellan to Shane Walsh, that idea was there,"
"We were beating them and beating them heavy from 2010 onwards, we got a jump on them physically. And when Kevin came in he definitely went about making them tougher, harder, more difficult to play against. And they did a job on Mayo for a couple of years.
"He knows how to make a team as effective as possible and it's probably what Cork need to solidify them, make them harder. I'm sure they will fancy a crack at Mayo."
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 15, 2023, 04:13:06 PM
from Irish Examiner podcast.
Former Mayo football manager James Horan believes the Kevin Walsh factor will make Sunday's trip to the Gaelic Grounds to face Cork even tougher.
Walsh had a great record against Mayo as Galway manager, from 2014 to 2019, as his side's defeated their provincial rivals six times in seven matches.
The Killannin man is now a coach in Cork boss John Cleary's backroom team, and Horan knows first-hand how Walsh improves teams.
"He changed Galway football significantly. Before, in the media, it was always how stylish, how skilful they were, from Michael Donnellan to Shane Walsh, that idea was there,"
"We were beating them and beating them heavy from 2010 onwards, we got a jump on them physically. And when Kevin came in he definitely went about making them tougher, harder, more difficult to play against. And they did a job on Mayo for a couple of years.
"He knows how to make a team as effective as possible and it's probably what Cork need to solidify them, make them harder. I'm sure they will fancy a crack at Mayo."
Didn't he lose twice to Mayo in the championship in 2015 and 2019?
"To beat Mayo you have to slow them down". How valid is that ?
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 15, 2023, 05:50:17 PM
Didn't he lose twice to Mayo in the championship in 2015 and 2019?
Yes 2015 Connacht semi final and 2019 Qualifier game. Not sure if Horan is including league defeats in that run.
Line ups with the usual few chances expected before throw in.
CORK: Míchéal Martin; Maurice Shanley, Rory Maguire, Kevin O' Donovan; Luke Fahy, Daniel O Mahony, Mattie Taylor; Colm O'Callaghan, Ian Maguire; Brian O'Driscoll, Ruairi Deane, Killian O' Hanlon; Sean Powter, Brian Hurley, Chris Óg Jones.
Subs: Patrick Doyle, Cian Kiely, Tom Clancy, Tommy Walsh, Paul Walsh, Eoghan McSweeney, Conor Corbett, John O'Rourke, Mark Cronin, Steven Sherlock, Fionn Herlihy
MAYO: Colm Reape; Jack Coyne, David McBrien, Pádraig O'Hora; Sam Callinan, Conor Loftus, Paddy Durcan; Stephen Coen, Matthew Ruane; Fionn McDonagh, Jack Carney, Jordan Flynn; Aidan O'Shea, James Carr, Ryan O'Donoghue.
Subs: Rory Byrne, Tommy Conroy, Jason Doherty, Enda Hession, Darren McHale, Donnacha McHugh, Eoghan McLaughlin, Kevin McLoughlin, Diarmuid O'Connor, Paul Towey, Bob Tuohy
KERRY: Shane Ryan; Graham O'Sullivan, Jason Foley, Tom O'Sullivan; Paul Murphy, Tadhg Morley, Mike Breen; Diarmuid O'Connor, Jack Barry; Dara Moynihan, Sean O'Shea, Adrian Spillane; Paudie Clifford, David Clifford, Paul Geaney.
Subs: Shane Murphy, Tony Brosnan, Dylan Casey, Barry Dan O'Sullivan, Ruairi Murphy, Micheál Burns, Stephen O'Brien, Donal O'Sullivan, Brian Ó Beaglaoich, Ronan Buckley, Chris O'Donoghue.
LOUTH: James Califf; Dan Corcoran, Peter Lynch, Donal Mckenny; Leonard Grey, Niall Sharkey, Conall Mckeever; Tommy Durnin, Conor Early; Ciaran Murphy, Ciaran Downey, Conor Grimes; Conall Mccaul, Sam Mulroy, Craig Lennon.
Subs: Peter Mcstravick, Ryan Burns, Jonathan Commins, Bevan Duffy, Liam Jackson, Daire Mcconnon, Oisin Mcguinness, Paul Mathews, Jack Murphy, Dylan Mckeown, Anthony Williams.
Jack O'Connor v Mickey Harte, Round 3.
1-1 so far.
Quote from: blanketattack on June 16, 2023, 04:26:14 PM
Jack O'Connor v Mickey Harte, Round 3.
1-1 so far.
This will be Mickey Harte's 7th championship game against Kerry, winning the 2005 and 2008 All-Ireland finals and the 2003 semi-final and losing in 2012 (qualifier), 2015 and 2019 All-Ireland semi-finals.
Apparently Cork haven't beaten Mayo in more than 20 years. That must be revenge for 1993.
Mayo 0-8 Cork 0-7
Very low scoring
Some start to 2nd half
Should have been a straight red there for Cork fulback
Cork have come back well after falling 6 behind. Now 1 point up with 3 mins left.
paul faloon is a very poor referee
Cork up by 2. RTE says they need to win by 3 points to get second . Would that mean Kerry first and Mayo third?
This must be the worst ever result for Mayo..... how on earth did they beat Kerry?
Hard to see them winning next week with this momentum
Cork up by 3 now.
Assuming they hold on, why way does that leave the group
Eff me does that mean if Tyrone beat Westmeath it would be Tyrone v Mayo next weekend?
Over.
Kerry, Mayo and Cork all finish on 4
Mayo had a points difference of 6
Cork had a points difference of 0.
Cork beat Mayo by 3. Both have a points difference now of 3. Cork beat Mayo in the head to head to Cork come second.
Kerry have the highest points difference after beating Louth and beat Cork in the head to head so they must be first.
Faloon, had him a few times this year, very indecisive.
Take a bow Stephen Sheridan.
Squeaky bum time now, likely Tyrone v Mayo/Monaghan/Roscommon
Quote from: clarshack on June 18, 2023, 03:35:30 PM
Eff me does that mean if Tyrone beat Westmeath it would be Tyrone v Mayo next weekend?
It could be
Mayo really messed it up. They went into the match in pole position with 2 wins and could have had it all, rolling in the deep.
Now Kerry go through as group winners. Mayo beat Kerry but nobody cares now. And Mayo end up in 3rd place.
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1670444244975378433
If Tyrone get second they coukd be home to kildare as well
Is the 1/4 draw tomorrow or next Monday (26th)?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 18, 2023, 04:20:47 PM
Is the 1/4 draw tomorrow or next Monday (26th)?
Probably next Monday.
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2023, 03:36:25 PM
Over.
Kerry, Mayo and Cork all finish on 4
Mayo had a points difference of 6
Cork had a points difference of 0.
Cork beat Mayo by 3. Both have a points difference now of 3. Cork beat Mayo in the head to head to Cork come second.
Kerry have the highest points difference after beating Louth and beat Cork in the head to head so they must be first.
I could be wrong here but in a 3 way tie the head to head doesn't matter
So Mayo had a close free at the end when 3 down. It looked like O'Se dropped it short looking for a goal. Did their line not know that a 2 point loss would still get them 2nd place. If they didn't know they should have known.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 18, 2023, 03:36:43 PM
Faloon, had him a few times this year, very indecisive.
was genuinely one of the strangest refereeing performances i have seen in a while.
Mayo ;D ;D
They had already crowned themselves AI winners after beating Kerry.
Didn't see it but how did Mayo who was leading by 6 points on 57 minutes end up losing by 3 points to Cork?
Kerrys round 1 defeat in the end meant nothing.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 18, 2023, 06:41:07 PM
Didn't see it but how did Mayo who was leading by 6 points on 57 minutes end up losing by 3 points to Cork?
Kerrys round 1 defeat in the end meant nothing.
Had this on the laptop and the Kildare Rossie game on the box and was keeping an eye on both.
Cork got a penalty to reduce it to three and Mayo looked a side who thought they were in the dressing room with the win at that stage.
Mayo looked a side who thought they had 1st place in the group secured and hadn't even considered the permutations that might dump them into 3rd place in the group.
Aidan O'Shea had a scorable free at the end that he dropped short into the square looking for a goal chance when a point would have given them 2nd. Clueless stuff.
Real whiff of complaceny of Mayo throughout the game I thought. For long stretches looked a side who felt that they only had to turn up to beat Cork and they were nearly right as Cork were very poor for long stretches.
Cork haunted that their full-back wasn't sent off for a strike to the back of the head that was miles away from the ball. Somehow the ref deemed it a yellow. Shocker of a decision.
Lots of sides will be hoping they draw Cork I'd imagine.
Spursy
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 18, 2023, 07:19:26 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 18, 2023, 06:41:07 PM
Didn't see it but how did Mayo who was leading by 6 points on 57 minutes end up losing by 3 points to Cork?
Kerrys round 1 defeat in the end meant nothing.
Had this on the laptop and the Kildare Rossie game on the box and was keeping an eye on both.
Cork got a penalty to reduce it to three and Mayo looked a side who thought they were in the dressing room with the win at that stage.
Mayo looked a side who thought they had 1st place in the group secured and hadn't even considered the permutations that might dump them into 3rd place in the group.
Aidan O'Shea had a scorable free at the end that he dropped short into the square looking for a goal chance when a point would have given them 2nd. Clueless stuff.
Real whiff of complaceny of Mayo throughout the game I thought. For long stretches looked a side who felt that they only had to turn up to beat Cork and they were nearly right as Cork were very poor for long stretches.
Cork haunted that their full-back wasn't sent off for a strike to the back of the head that was miles away from the ball. Somehow the ref deemed it a yellow. Shocker of a decision.
Lots of sides will be hoping they draw Cork I'd imagine.
That wasn't complacency - that's the level they're at when they play a blanket. Slow, lateral, then ease off when they get ahead. No smarts whatsoever.
The Tippy-tappy ends now. Now the real stuff starts. Everyone knew who would be in the bottom 4.
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 18, 2023, 07:19:26 PM
Lots of sides will be hoping they draw Cork I'd imagine.
Not so sure, Today against Mayo and Kerry two weeks ago Cork have showed their biggest improvement for years. Kevin Walsh their main coach is getting a tune out of them in the same way he did with Galway. They play one of Monaghan,Tyrone or Roscommon at home now and will fancy their chances against whoever they draw.
That was a very disappointing result for Mayo today but if they avoid Galway in the draw tomorrow I don't think they will be too disappointed. They can still have a big say in who wins Sam. I actually think that after Galway, Cork are the team to avoid among the second teams in the group. Kevin Walsh is an excellent coach and they seem to be a team that are on an upward trajectory. They'll be difficult to beat away from home for whoever faces them.
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 18, 2023, 07:19:26 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 18, 2023, 06:41:07 PM
Didn't see it but how did Mayo who was leading by 6 points on 57 minutes end up losing by 3 points to Cork?
Kerrys round 1 defeat in the end meant nothing.
Had this on the laptop and the Kildare Rossie game on the box and was keeping an eye on both.
Cork got a penalty to reduce it to three and Mayo looked a side who thought they were in the dressing room with the win at that stage.
Mayo looked a side who thought they had 1st place in the group secured and hadn't even considered the permutations that might dump them into 3rd place in the group.
Aidan O'Shea had a scorable free at the end that he dropped short into the square looking for a goal chance when a point would have given them 2nd. Clueless stuff.
Real whiff of complaceny of Mayo throughout the game I thought. For long stretches looked a side who felt that they only had to turn up to beat Cork and they were nearly right as Cork were very poor for long stretches.
Cork haunted that their full-back wasn't sent off for a strike to the back of the head that was miles away from the ball. Somehow the ref deemed it a yellow. Shocker of a decision.
Lots of sides will be hoping they draw Cork I'd imagine.
If that guy does not get a retro suspension, it will make mockery of all "Yellow cards" for challenges above the shoulder/ head area.
truly disgraceful strike, it was not a tackle.
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Didn't see it but how did Mayo who was leading by 6 points on 57 minutes end up losing by 3 points to Cork?
Kerrys round 1 defeat in the end meant nothing.
Had this on the laptop and the Kildare Rossie game on the box and was keeping an eye on both.
Cork got a penalty to reduce it to three and Mayo looked a side who thought they were in the dressing room with the win at that stage.
Mayo looked a side who thought they had 1st place in the group secured and hadn't even considered the permutations that might dump them into 3rd place in the group.
Aidan O'Shea had a scorable free at the end that he dropped short into the square looking for a goal chance when a point would have given them 2nd. Clueless stuff.
Real whiff of complaceny of Mayo throughout the game I thought. For long stretches looked a side who felt that they only had to turn up to beat Cork and they were nearly right as Cork were very poor for long stretches.
Cork haunted that their full-back wasn't sent off for a strike to the back of the head that was miles away from the ball. Somehow the ref deemed it a yellow. Shocker of a decision.
Lots of sides will be hoping they draw Cork I'd imagine.
If that guy does not get a retro suspension, it will make mockery of all "Yellow cards" for challenges above the shoulder/ head area.
truly disgraceful strike, it was not a tackle.
Jez, That was a disgrace. Dirtiest hit I've seen in a long. The gas thing is he looked shocked at getting a yellow.
McBrien, Flynn and O'Donoghoe
They were our only soldiers in the battle. The rest of them were an embarrassment including McStay and his army of advisors.
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Easy yellow card ;D
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Red for the strike and a black for the deliberate trip = yellow
Seen that punch to the head in the Mayo/Cork game, whether he meant it or not doesn't matter. Was a real card all day.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 19, 2023, 12:41:48 AM
Seen that punch to the head in the Mayo/Cork game, whether he meant it or not doesn't matter. Was a real card all day.
The referee was very poor, penalty was very soft , looked back at it a few times now and cannot see any foul.
the ref in the cork mayo game was determined to make it a close game. he can't claim he didn't see the strike cos he gave a yellow. mayo forward dragged down around the neck too and a yellow given when it was a black. he just didn't want to reduce anyone to 14 and then the penalty was the exact sort of situation he'd been letting play on whole match and then suddenly he's blowing it up for a penalty. very strange refereeing. part of me thinks there was something fishy altogether about it.
Quote from: WhoDat on June 19, 2023, 01:26:12 PM
the ref in the cork mayo game was determined to make it a close game. he can't claim he didn't see the strike cos he gave a yellow. mayo forward dragged down around the neck too and a yellow given when it was a black. he just didn't want to reduce anyone to 14 and then the penalty was the exact sort of situation he'd been letting play on whole match and then suddenly he's blowing it up for a penalty. very strange refereeing. part of me thinks there was something fishy altogether about it.
Ach! Get up the yard.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 19, 2023, 12:41:48 AM
Seen that punch to the head in the Mayo/Cork game, whether he meant it or not doesn't matter. Was a real card all day.
The referee was very poor, penalty was very soft , looked back at it a few times now and cannot see any foul.
ON totally neutral viewing it certainly wasn't a penalty. Let's say if Mayo hadn't just scored a goal to go 6 up, but instead the 'foul' happened when teams were level and 6 minutes injury time elapsed, he probably wouldn't have awarded the penalty. It was a classic case of refereeing the circumstances not the incident.
McQuillan did the same for the last Galway free. I said it as Grugan lined up to tap over the winner (from was another soft free), 'this ref will definitely engineer another chance for Galway'.
It is a worse problem in the game than biased reffing, and supporters are conditioned to it now, expecting the free when you are a point down late on. Go play by play refs, and stop this craic of influencing the result.