Is it time for the sister sports to come under the GAA's wing? I think it's long past time.
To use a Pat Dalyism, there are economies of scale with being part of a larger organization.
The GAA would gain from having more progressive input since women tend to be more open minded about trying new ideas, hence the sin bin and hooter in ladies football.
The LGFA and CA would gain from having easier access to facilities instead of hoping the GAA can spare their grounds. It'd open the door to mixed-gender double headers. Want to promote ladies football and get a big crowd at the match? Have the opening rounds of the league or championships with the ladies match as the curtain-raiser before the men's game, that way you could potentially have the Armagh and Tyrone ladies playing before the Armagh and Tyrone men. Then you'd be looking at big attendances. With the cameras already there it'd be easier to get TV coverage for the women's game. Same as how women's Olympic events and grand slam tennis matches already get plenty of coverage since they play at the same time as the men when all the media is in place.
There's a boatload of advantages to amalgamation and I think the LGFA and CA are shooting themselves in the foot by holding back on it.
I wonder why they don't do it? Is it the equivalent of jobs for the boys? Or is it a fear that they'd be swallowed up by the GAA? Women are represented in officer roles in every GAA club in the country I'd say, so it's not like the GAA is a cold house for women.
Probably fear of change. Fear of losing control. They'd need to go and look at how things are run outside of Ireland where things are already amalgamated. They'd learn something.
I can see why independence has for the LGFA, and likely Camogie too. Grandstanding like this is more Tony Feron's wheelhouse than yours, Eamonnca. I certainly wouldn't know enough about the inner workings of either to say it's some sort of slam dunk to be under the same group as the mens' games.
BTW, there are more than a few inter-gender double headers already.
Grandstanding? It's a topic I'd like to discuss and I'm interested in hearing people's take on it. Didn't know about the inter-gender double-headers, for example. Where have these happened and in what competitions?
I think it's a disgrace it hasn't happened already. I'm 100% in favour, the sooner the better. And the masters competitions need to be brought back into the tent also.
It's the ladies associations that are holding this up.
Does anyone on here really believe that there would be "parity of esteem" for women if they came under the GAA umbrella. Would a ladies senior football team get equal access to a club's main pitch as the senior men's team or even the minor boy's team.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 03, 2017, 11:26:42 PM
Does anyone on here really believe that there would be "parity of esteem" for women if they came under the GAA umbrella. Would a ladies senior football team get equal access to a club's main pitch as the senior men's team or even the minor boy's team.
Based on the experiences here, yes. It'd be easier for them to get equal access when they're in every meeting where fixtures are discussed and on the actual committees that set the fixtures.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 03, 2017, 11:46:44 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 03, 2017, 11:26:42 PM
Does anyone on here really believe that there would be "parity of esteem" for women if they came under the GAA umbrella. Would a ladies senior football team get equal access to a club's main pitch as the senior men's team or even the minor boy's team.
Based on the experiences here, yes. It'd be easier for them to get equal access when they're in every meeting where fixtures are discussed and on the actual committees that set the fixtures.
A lot of clubs field teams teams in both - the ladies are very much under the same banner in those cases. Clubs aren't treating their own ladies teams as outsiders. A bit like hurling only clubs, there are a few ladies only clubs, however.
Ladies matches have regularly been curtain raisers before underage championship (and even senior on occasion) out west. The last AI U21 final Roscommon reached in 2014 featured Roscommon v Antrim in the D4 ladies final beforehand, with the ladies team giving the lads a guard of honour after they collected the D4 title.
To my eyes the LGFA is doing more than fine on its own, and I don't see why they'd change what's working unless the GAA were to make an offer they couldn't refuse.
Quote from: Syferus on October 04, 2017, 02:36:29 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 03, 2017, 11:46:44 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 03, 2017, 11:26:42 PM
Does anyone on here really believe that there would be "parity of esteem" for women if they came under the GAA umbrella. Would a ladies senior football team get equal access to a club's main pitch as the senior men's team or even the minor boy's team.
Based on the experiences here, yes. It'd be easier for them to get equal access when they're in every meeting where fixtures are discussed and on the actual committees that set the fixtures.
A lot of clubs field teams teams in both - the ladies are very much under the same banner in those cases. Clubs aren't treating their own ladies teams as outsiders. A bit like hurling only clubs, there are a few ladies only clubs, however.
Ladies matches have regularly been curtain raisers before underage championship (and even senior on occasion) out west. The last AI U21 final Roscommon reached in 2014 featured Roscommon v Antrim in the D4 ladies final beforehand, with the ladies team giving the lads a guard of honour after they collected the D4 title.
To my eyes the LGFA is doing more than fine on its own, and I don't see why they'd change what's working unless the GAA were to make an offer they couldn't refuse.
Excuse my ignorance but where do the two codes diverge? Feile for example has men and womens teams as does the cyc in North America, I thought they were both GAA competitions not LGFA. Is it only in junior and senior competitions or is it at all age groups.
It seems that the LGFA is doing fine on its own, 46,000 at Croker, ever improving standards, time clock, sin bin, are all good things in the game and I am a big fan of ladies football. If they were to merge, it would be crucial that some of the top table in the GAA were LGFA representatives and that they received the recognition and publicity that they undoubtedly deserve...
AFAIK the CYC is a joint operation run by a steering committee consisting of people from USGAA, NYGAA, and Canada GAA and is accountable to the GAA's international committee. The LGFA and CA are involved too but I'm not sure exactly where they fit in as institutions.
Quote from: sligoman2 on October 04, 2017, 02:48:32 AM
Quote from: Syferus on October 04, 2017, 02:36:29 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 03, 2017, 11:46:44 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 03, 2017, 11:26:42 PM
Does anyone on here really believe that there would be "parity of esteem" for women if they came under the GAA umbrella. Would a ladies senior football team get equal access to a club's main pitch as the senior men's team or even the minor boy's team.
Based on the experiences here, yes. It'd be easier for them to get equal access when they're in every meeting where fixtures are discussed and on the actual committees that set the fixtures.
A lot of clubs field teams teams in both - the ladies are very much under the same banner in those cases. Clubs aren't treating their own ladies teams as outsiders. A bit like hurling only clubs, there are a few ladies only clubs, however.
Ladies matches have regularly been curtain raisers before underage championship (and even senior on occasion) out west. The last AI U21 final Roscommon reached in 2014 featured Roscommon v Antrim in the D4 ladies final beforehand, with the ladies team giving the lads a guard of honour after they collected the D4 title.
To my eyes the LGFA is doing more than fine on its own, and I don't see why they'd change what's working unless the GAA were to make an offer they couldn't refuse.
Excuse my ignorance but where do the two codes diverge? Feile for example has men and womens teams as does the cyc in North America, I thought they were both GAA competitions not LGFA. Is it only in junior and senior competitions or is it at all age groups.
It seems that the LGFA is doing fine on its own, 46,000 at Croker, ever improving standards, time clock, sin bin, are all good things in the game and I am a big fan of ladies football. If they were to merge, it would be crucial that some of the top table in the GAA were LGFA representatives and that they received the recognition and publicity that they undoubtedly deserve...
They're currently relying on the goodwill of the GAA to provide pitches etc. That shouldn't be the case - they're as entitled to those grounds as anyone else.
Quote from: Zulu on October 03, 2017, 10:10:22 PM
It's the ladies associations that are holding this up.
Whatever the problem is it needs to get sorted.
The costs involved in Ladies Football far outweigh those in the Men's game and you would hope that if they came under one umbrella the costs would fall immediately.
The problem with amalgamating all would mean job losses for both Ladies Football and Camogie employees which is probably why there it hasn't happened yet!
Are the LGFA completely separate from the GAA? Are they not under the GAA umbrella in some form?
sort of a belligerent step sister
Has to happen. The ladies are good at complaining about not getting access to this pitch or that venue but at the end of the day their association has not built and paid for that infrastructure. They need to come in under the same umbrella so that all GAA people are getting the same deal.
Quote from: Itchy on October 04, 2017, 10:54:24 AM
Has to happen. The ladies are good at complaining about not getting access to this pitch or that venue but at the end of the day their association has not built and paid for that infrastructure. They need to come in under the same umbrella so that all GAA people are getting the same deal.
Probably every member of Lgfa is a member of a gaa club, pays dues, pays to go to men's games Etc...so indirectly or directly they have paid for the infrastructure Etc..
I get your point though.
I remember a ladies gaa ad saying that it is the fastest growing sport in the world for ladies which is brilliant but not altogether surprising when you see the freedom, number of scoring opportunities, etc.. players have compared to other codes
Quote from: screenexile on October 04, 2017, 09:26:00 AM
The costs involved in Ladies Football far outweigh those in the Men's game and you would hope that if they came under one umbrella the costs would fall immediately.
The problem with amalgamating all would mean job losses for both Ladies Football and Camogie employees which is probably why there it hasn't happened yet!
It is the like of the assumption above that will probably keep them apart. In an amalgamation situation why would the employees of the LGFA be the ones to lose their jobs? It's the inherent sexism that people aren't even aware of that scares the LGFA away.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 04, 2017, 01:36:12 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 04, 2017, 09:26:00 AM
The costs involved in Ladies Football far outweigh those in the Men's game and you would hope that if they came under one umbrella the costs would fall immediately.
The problem with amalgamating all would mean job losses for both Ladies Football and Camogie employees which is probably why there it hasn't happened yet!
It is the like of the assumption above that will probably keep them apart. In an amalgamation situation why would the employees of the LGFA be the ones to lose their jobs? It's the inherent sexism that people aren't even aware of that scares the LGFA away.
It's the law of the jungle. . . when a big operation incorporates a smaller one inevitably the workers in the smaller operation get the boot. Not inherently sexist but in this case it's just going to be the outcome!
before any merger takes place the ladies should campaign for new pitches and facilities as the increase in teams is putting clubs under huge pressure.
The ladies are entitled to government money in their own right in terms of participation they probably have numbers to match the IRFU esp if you exclude upper middle class dating they call tag rugby.
they should have their own county grounds and maybe a national one nay a croke park but maybe a 30k one like thomand park to show they are serious
Quote from: rosnarun on October 04, 2017, 04:04:30 PM
before any merger takes place the ladies should campaign for new pitches and facilities as the increase in teams is putting clubs under huge pressure.
The ladies are entitled to government money in their own right in terms of participation they probably have numbers to match the IRFU esp if you exclude upper middle class dating they call tag rugby.
they should have their own county grounds and maybe a national one nay a croke park but maybe a 30k one like thomand park to show they are serious
;D ;D
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 04, 2017, 04:05:42 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on October 04, 2017, 04:04:30 PM
before any merger takes place the ladies should campaign for new pitches and facilities as the increase in teams is putting clubs under huge pressure.
The ladies are entitled to government money in their own right in terms of participation they probably have numbers to match the IRFU esp if you exclude upper middle class dating they call tag rugby.
they should have their own county grounds and maybe a national one nay a croke park but maybe a 30k one like thomand park to show they are serious
;D ;D
I enjoyed that too!
Was listening to a rep from the ladies football players union recently and she said a merger would work well at club level, where everybody knows everyone else anyway, but she would be wary of how it would work at intercounty level.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 04, 2017, 09:53:24 AM
Are the LGFA completely separate from the GAA? Are they not under the GAA umbrella in some form?
They are completely separate. They share facilities and are based at Croke Park, but as organizations they are separate.
separate funding for LGFA and Camogie from sports Ireland
that might be a big reason
Everything I've ever heard suggests that the GAA hierarchy have no problem with welcoming both the LGFA and the Camogie into the tent, but there is a lot of reluctance from the head honchos in the other two organisations, with some of the Camogie higher-ups in particular being very opposed.
One big reason it should go ahead is that the membership costs for joining the women's organisations are a lot more expensive than for the GAA and the difference at underage can be quite stark. Someone told me that in general you would get 3 boys underage memberships for one underage girl's membership of either the LGFA or the Camogie. Another thing is that because there are two organisations there are no dual clubs for girls.
I have heard for the difference in cost is that there is a very big difference in the insurance costs per player in the GAA compared to the LGFA and the Camogie Association.
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 05, 2017, 08:17:25 PM<snip>
I have heard for the difference in cost is that there is a very big difference in the insurance costs per player in the GAA compared to the LGFA and the Camogie Association.
wouldn't you think that this would be a reason for them to join the greater GAA ?
As for potential movement, hard to know.
At the moment the ladies and camogie can tap fund from government and TV contracts on one side and have cheap to free facilities provided by the GAA on the other.
One of the earlier posts mentioned that it would work well at a club level, and to be honest if all they did was harmonise registration systems for club players it'd be half the battle, even if they remained separate for all other purposes !
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 05, 2017, 08:17:25 PM
Everything I've ever heard suggests that the GAA hierarchy have no problem with welcoming both the LGFA and the Camogie into the tent, but there is a lot of reluctance from the head honchos in the other two organisations, with some of the Camogie higher-ups in particular being very opposed.
One big reason it should go ahead is that the membership costs for joining the women's organisations are a lot more expensive than for the GAA and the difference at underage can be quite stark. Someone told me that in general you would get 3 boys underage memberships for one underage girl's membership of either the LGFA or the Camogie. Another thing is that because there are two organisations there are no dual clubs for girls.
I have heard for the difference in cost is that there is a very big difference in the insurance costs per player in the GAA compared to the LGFA and the Camogie Association.
Not even close. A boys GAA membership is free, an U16 girl LGFA membership is approx 30/40euro per player.
The LGFA financial model is different to the GAA's. Mainly due to insurance being paid by the club for males but by the individual for females.
I see the best footballer in Co. Mayo is off to Australian Rules.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 18, 2017, 11:30:49 AM
I see the best footballer in Co. Mayo is off to Australian Rules.
Best of luck to her. Hope she does well and makes a few bob for herself. An absolute legend.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 18, 2017, 11:30:49 AM
I see the best footballer in Co. Mayo Ireland is off to Australian Rules.
Corrected that for you!
Interesting that she's still not ready to call it off at IC either. Carnacon beat Kilbride in Connacht at the weekend and she'll be around until their championship is over too.
It speaks to how highly she's rated that at 34 she's drafted in a sport she's never played.
Quote from: Syferus on October 18, 2017, 04:47:04 PM
Interesting that she's still not ready to call it off at IC either. Carnacon beat Kilbride in Connacht at the weekend and she'll be around until their championship is over too.
It speaks to how highly she's rated that at 34 she's drafted in a sport she's never played.
I first saw her play in the 1994 Féile final in Castlebar and even then you knew she was a special talent. Over the years she has never failed to give her best for club and county. Club has probably kept her going as the years since Mayo won an All -Ireland have been difficult in many ways at inter-county level.
Not one for the limelight either but like many others who shy away from the public she could be seen to her best with young girls and boys. I happened to see her recently after a training session for the All Ireland. When the girls had finished eating there was food left over. Cora plated it up and went round with it to some teenage lads who had arrived in from training. You should have seen their reaction. Pure Class.
In other sports many women have gone on at elite level into their late thirties. I hope she does too.
Is ladies AFL any different to the mens?
It will be interesting to see how she adapts at 34 years old its a tough task but the Aussies are obviously happy to go with her.
Quote from: thejuice on October 18, 2017, 09:17:28 PM
Is ladies AFL any different to the mens?
It will be interesting to see how she adapts at 34 years old its a tough task but the Aussies are obviously happy to go with her.
With the sport so nascent and the season so short (seven league games, one more if you make the final) I doubt age matters too much. Cora's sheer power and ability to score from distance would be a huge asset in a sport like Aussie rules if she adapts to the oval ball well.
Good luck to Cora, would be great to see her making it
Just out of curiosity, what is Cora's full time job?
Quote from: westbound on October 19, 2017, 11:16:15 AM
Just out of curiosity, what is Cora's full time job?
She works with the HSE as liaison officer with Traveller women.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 19, 2017, 03:43:28 PM
Quote from: westbound on October 19, 2017, 11:16:15 AM
Just out of curiosity, what is Cora's full time job?
She works with the HSE as liaison officer with Traveller women.
Handy that she can get 4 months off.
Good luck to her in Oz.
Quote from: westbound on October 20, 2017, 11:10:02 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 19, 2017, 03:43:28 PM
Quote from: westbound on October 19, 2017, 11:16:15 AM
Just out of curiosity, what is Cora's full time job?
She works with the HSE as liaison officer with Traveller women.
Handy that she can get 4 months off.
Good luck to her in Oz.
FFS! Are we stooping that low that we're taking shots at players for getting time off to do sports when we know the demands we've placed on them at IC?
Hardly the first person to take a sabbatical..
Quote from: Syferus on October 20, 2017, 01:16:38 PM
Quote from: westbound on October 20, 2017, 11:10:02 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 19, 2017, 03:43:28 PM
Quote from: westbound on October 19, 2017, 11:16:15 AM
Just out of curiosity, what is Cora's full time job?
She works with the HSE as liaison officer with Traveller women.
Handy that she can get 4 months off.
Good luck to her in Oz.
FFS! Are we stooping that low that we're taking shots at players for getting time off to do sports when we know the demands we've placed on them at IC?
Hardly the first person to take a sabbatical..
Easy Syferus! Any more of this and you'll get a reputation for being reasonable!
I think most people in the HSE can get leave of absence of up to a year. I'm sure Cora's will be more productive than most peoples.
Quote from: Syferus on October 20, 2017, 01:16:38 PM
Quote from: westbound on October 20, 2017, 11:10:02 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 19, 2017, 03:43:28 PM
Quote from: westbound on October 19, 2017, 11:16:15 AM
Just out of curiosity, what is Cora's full time job?
She works with the HSE as liaison officer with Traveller women.
Handy that she can get 4 months off.
Good luck to her in Oz.
FFS! Are we stooping that low that we're taking shots at players for getting time off to do sports when we know the demands we've placed on them at IC?
Hardly the first person to take a sabbatical..
Jesus calm down syf.
I was merely saying it is handy that she can get the time off from her job to go. Not a pot shot at Cora Staunton at all. I'm delighted for her. She is well deserving of her opportunity.
I had no idea what she worked at, which is why I asked the question. But if she didn't have an understanding employer then she would have to consider giving up her job to go playing AFL for 4 months. So that's why it's 'handy she can get 4 months off'.
Some shambles from the LGFA yesterday. Dunno why a game between Cork & Galway had to be fixed for Dublin anyway, surely Ennis or Semple would be a better choice when Limerick was unavailable?
Quote from: macdanger2 on December 07, 2020, 12:01:27 PM
Dunno why a game between Cork & Galway had to be fixed for Dublin anyway, surely Ennis or Semple would be a better choice when Limerick was unavailable?
Presumably to suit TV coverage? Otherwise they could have played it literally anywhere with a locked gate?
Quote from: macdanger2 on December 07, 2020, 12:01:27 PM
Some shambles from the LGFA yesterday. Dunno why a game between Cork & Galway had to be fixed for Dublin anyway, surely Ennis or Semple would be a better choice when Limerick was unavailable?
It was originally down for LIT but the Limerick hurlers took the pitch to train.
People were asking would a merger see the women treated as equals. I think thats your answer right there
Quote from: five points on December 07, 2020, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on December 07, 2020, 12:01:27 PM
Dunno why a game between Cork & Galway had to be fixed for Dublin anyway, surely Ennis or Semple would be a better choice when Limerick was unavailable?
Presumably to suit TV coverage? Otherwise they could have played it literally anywhere with a locked gate?
TG4 were covering it, they had no particular interest in being in Dublin.
Apparently, it was proposed for Semple originally, then moved to Limerick, but it is was always likely that Limerick would qualify for the hurling final. The whole thing is a mess and no need for it. Apart from Semple, Ennis or Portlaise were options, surely.
Should all be merged, its a no brainer. However isn't it the ladies themselves that wouldn't merge. Something that the militant twitter feminist can't blame men for. ;)
Quote from: Itchy on December 07, 2020, 05:51:47 PM
Should all be merged, its a no brainer. However isn't it the ladies themselves that wouldn't merge. Something that the militant twitter feminist can't blame men for. ;)
I kind of agree and kind of don't.
In spirit I agree absolutely. But in reality...
Being an officer in a club with devolved units has to be easier. It places the emphasis on ladies football and camogie to generate and maintain their own funds, and to find and empower their own coaches.
Obviously a committee could replicate this structure largely through subcommittees. But if ladies football or camogie doesn't generate enough interest within to fill those subcommittees, then the options for club officers are a) fill the subcommittees with people who don't want to be involved in that sport, or b) collapse the sport within the club.
You'd be made a pariah for b). You'd want some thick skin on you for a).
We can't run clubs without committees. It might be wise to assume integration could make committee life less attractive.
I understand Camogie broke off in the 50's and the LGFA set up separately later. Weren't the handballers also talking about breaking off?
According to Twitter the patriarchy are at it again
No matter hiw many times it's pointed out the GAA are being blamed.
I really am getting annoyed with this notion that Limerick were having a puckaround too.
If that game was there crew and set up would take all day. Plus why settle on there when Limerick were likely tp need it in the first place?
Same with TV after it was moved...it takes hour to get live events going so they couldn't just flick a switch and go.
Really bothered me today when the men in Croke Park taking heat for the LGFA.
It should all be one but the bigger issue is getting camogie and LGFA on the same page before they come in.
The moaning from the Galway women's manager seems a bit odd. Why were the Cork women able to get their proper warm up in?
Quote from: Hound on December 08, 2020, 07:24:13 AM
The moaning from the Galway women's manager seems a bit odd. Why were the Cork women able to get their proper warm up in?
Cork stayed in dublin the night before, galway where travelling up that day for a 1.30 throw in in parnell park
Quote from: gander on December 08, 2020, 09:13:50 AM
Quote from: Hound on December 08, 2020, 07:24:13 AM
The moaning from the Galway women's manager seems a bit odd. Why were the Cork women able to get their proper warm up in?
Cork stayed in dublin the night before, galway where travelling up that day for a 1.30 throw in in parnell park
Heard somewhere that they stayed in Kinnegad the night before?
Quote from: thewobbler on December 07, 2020, 06:12:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 07, 2020, 05:51:47 PM
Should all be merged, its a no brainer. However isn't it the ladies themselves that wouldn't merge. Something that the militant twitter feminist can't blame men for. ;)
I kind of agree and kind of don't.
In spirit I agree absolutely. But in reality...
Being an officer in a club with devolved units has to be easier. It places the emphasis on ladies football and camogie to generate and maintain their own funds, and to find and empower their own coaches.
Obviously a committee could replicate this structure largely through subcommittees. But if ladies football or camogie doesn't generate enough interest within to fill those subcommittees, then the options for club officers are a) fill the subcommittees with people who don't want to be involved in that sport, or b) collapse the sport within the club.
You'd be made a pariah for b). You'd want some thick skin on you for a).
We can't run clubs without committees. It might be wise to assume integration could make committee life less attractive.
We've found the actual opposite in practicality at club level where our camogs are fully integrated at committee level. I'd say just shy of half our committee are female and it works pretty well. Different perspectives at times as too many men can be full of their own shite at times.
From the admin side there are issues around players insurance and the likes as they work very different and that's a pain in the hole for the registrar but not insurmountable.
BBC loving this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55223639 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55223639)
Judge for yourself, I can hear Ooh Aah up Armagh but can see how it could be easily misconstrued.
https://twitter.com/padraigoo/status/1336107991481933825?s=24
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on December 08, 2020, 07:28:43 PM
Judge for yourself, I can hear Ooh Aah up Armagh but can see how it could be easily misconstrued.
https://twitter.com/padraigoo/status/1336107991481933825?s=24
It absolutely ridiculous whats been made of this. I firstly found it hard to believe a Camogie team full of young women would choose to celebrate a all ireland victory by singing IRA songs. I then heard that clip and really all you can say is some people hear what they want to hear and will go out of their way to get offended.
Its clearly Armagh ffs. This is up there with the Italian flag on Donaghmore school for funniest Unionist fake outrage of the century.
Quote from: Itchy on December 10, 2020, 04:27:51 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on December 08, 2020, 07:28:43 PM
Judge for yourself, I can hear Ooh Aah up Armagh but can see how it could be easily misconstrued.
https://twitter.com/padraigoo/status/1336107991481933825?s=24
It absolutely ridiculous whats been made of this. I firstly found it hard to believe a Camogie team full of young women would choose to celebrate a all ireland victory by singing IRA songs. I then heard that clip and really all you can say is some people hear what they want to hear and will go out of their way to get offended.
Its absolutely ridiculous, you have just won a cup and you are going to go back to the changing room and start chanting something about the IRA. It is shameful that the BBC is promoting this attempt at character assassination.
As for it being easily misconstrued, there is no "the" sound whatsoever there, there is no rational basis for this. Perhaps the DUP think they were chanting about "up a 'ra" to cover all the different subdivisions of republican?
Paul McGrath does an "oh ah" in the Chef Sauce ad, is he secretly trying to insult the Protestant people of Ulster?
Quote from: armaghniac on December 10, 2020, 04:50:03 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 10, 2020, 04:27:51 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on December 08, 2020, 07:28:43 PM
Judge for yourself, I can hear Ooh Aah up Armagh but can see how it could be easily misconstrued.
https://twitter.com/padraigoo/status/1336107991481933825?s=24
It absolutely ridiculous whats been made of this. I firstly found it hard to believe a Camogie team full of young women would choose to celebrate a all ireland victory by singing IRA songs. I then heard that clip and really all you can say is some people hear what they want to hear and will go out of their way to get offended.
Its absolutely ridiculous, you have just won a cup and you are going to go back to the changing room and start chanting something about the IRA. It is shameful that the BBC is promoting this attempt at character assassination.
As for it being easily misconstrued, there is no "the" sound whatsoever there, there is no rational basis for this. Perhaps the DUP think they were chanting about "up a 'ra" to cover all the different subdivisions of republican?
Paul McGrath does an "oh ah" in the Chef Sauce ad, is he secretly trying to insult the Protestant people of Ulster?
The Irish news ran a story on it which was surprising. They really should have known better than to fall for it!
Dublin ladies going for 4 in a row, when they split Dublin will the ladies have too?
Quote from: armaghniac on December 10, 2020, 04:50:03 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 10, 2020, 04:27:51 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on December 08, 2020, 07:28:43 PM
Judge for yourself, I can hear Ooh Aah up Armagh but can see how it could be easily misconstrued.
https://twitter.com/padraigoo/status/1336107991481933825?s=24
It absolutely ridiculous whats been made of this. I firstly found it hard to believe a Camogie team full of young women would choose to celebrate a all ireland victory by singing IRA songs. I then heard that clip and really all you can say is some people hear what they want to hear and will go out of their way to get offended.
Its absolutely ridiculous, you have just won a cup and you are going to go back to the changing room and start chanting something about the IRA. It is shameful that the BBC is promoting this attempt at character assassination.
As for it being easily misconstrued, there is no "the" sound whatsoever there, there is no rational basis for this. Perhaps the DUP think they were chanting about "up a 'ra" to cover all the different subdivisions of republican?
Paul McGrath does an "oh ah" in the Chef Sauce ad, is he secretly trying to insult the Protestant people of Ulster?
Exactly. Armagh Camogie needs to put this bed by pointing out that they will not be apologising to anyone for a few girls singing: "Ooh, ah, up Armagh!"
Oh wait...
"Further to the Armagh dressing room celebrations following their victory in the All-Ireland Premier Junior Camogie Championship final on Saturday December 5, Armagh Camogie Board wish to state that it was never the intention to offend or upset anyone," it read.
"On behalf of Armagh Camogie, we sincerely and deeply regret any offence caused as a result of this incident."
https://www.gaeliclife.com/camogie/armagh-camogie-apologise-for-alleged-offensive-chanting/ (https://www.gaeliclife.com/camogie/armagh-camogie-apologise-for-alleged-offensive-chanting/)+
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 20, 2020, 06:44:39 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 10, 2020, 04:50:03 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 10, 2020, 04:27:51 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on December 08, 2020, 07:28:43 PM
Judge for yourself, I can hear Ooh Aah up Armagh but can see how it could be easily misconstrued.
https://twitter.com/padraigoo/status/1336107991481933825?s=24
It absolutely ridiculous whats been made of this. I firstly found it hard to believe a Camogie team full of young women would choose to celebrate a all ireland victory by singing IRA songs. I then heard that clip and really all you can say is some people hear what they want to hear and will go out of their way to get offended.
Its absolutely ridiculous, you have just won a cup and you are going to go back to the changing room and start chanting something about the IRA. It is shameful that the BBC is promoting this attempt at character assassination.
As for it being easily misconstrued, there is no "the" sound whatsoever there, there is no rational basis for this. Perhaps the DUP think they were chanting about "up a 'ra" to cover all the different subdivisions of republican?
Paul McGrath does an "oh ah" in the Chef Sauce ad, is he secretly trying to insult the Protestant people of Ulster?
Exactly. Armagh Camogie needs to put this bed by pointing out that they will not be apologising to anyone for a few girls singing: "Ooh, ah, up Armagh!"
Oh wait...
"Further to the Armagh dressing room celebrations following their victory in the All-Ireland Premier Junior Camogie Championship final on Saturday December 5, Armagh Camogie Board wish to state that it was never the intention to offend or upset anyone," it read.
"On behalf of Armagh Camogie, we sincerely and deeply regret any offence caused as a result of this incident."
https://www.gaeliclife.com/camogie/armagh-camogie-apologise-for-alleged-offensive-chanting/ (https://www.gaeliclife.com/camogie/armagh-camogie-apologise-for-alleged-offensive-chanting/)+
They didn't state that anyone did anything inappropriate only regret at people whining about it.
It was wrong two levels, saying it and getting caught!
Whoever recorded it and thought it was a good idea to put it on social media needs whipped
Quote from: armaghniac on December 20, 2020, 08:41:42 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 20, 2020, 06:44:39 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 10, 2020, 04:50:03 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 10, 2020, 04:27:51 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on December 08, 2020, 07:28:43 PM
Judge for yourself, I can hear Ooh Aah up Armagh but can see how it could be easily misconstrued.
https://twitter.com/padraigoo/status/1336107991481933825?s=24
It absolutely ridiculous whats been made of this. I firstly found it hard to believe a Camogie team full of young women would choose to celebrate a all ireland victory by singing IRA songs. I then heard that clip and really all you can say is some people hear what they want to hear and will go out of their way to get offended.
Its absolutely ridiculous, you have just won a cup and you are going to go back to the changing room and start chanting something about the IRA. It is shameful that the BBC is promoting this attempt at character assassination.
As for it being easily misconstrued, there is no "the" sound whatsoever there, there is no rational basis for this. Perhaps the DUP think they were chanting about "up a 'ra" to cover all the different subdivisions of republican?
Paul McGrath does an "oh ah" in the Chef Sauce ad, is he secretly trying to insult the Protestant people of Ulster?
Exactly. Armagh Camogie needs to put this bed by pointing out that they will not be apologising to anyone for a few girls singing: "Ooh, ah, up Armagh!"
Oh wait...
"Further to the Armagh dressing room celebrations following their victory in the All-Ireland Premier Junior Camogie Championship final on Saturday December 5, Armagh Camogie Board wish to state that it was never the intention to offend or upset anyone," it read.
"On behalf of Armagh Camogie, we sincerely and deeply regret any offence caused as a result of this incident."
https://www.gaeliclife.com/camogie/armagh-camogie-apologise-for-alleged-offensive-chanting/ (https://www.gaeliclife.com/camogie/armagh-camogie-apologise-for-alleged-offensive-chanting/)+
They didn't state that anyone did anything inappropriate only regret at people whining about it.
The only rational interpretation of their statement is that although not explicitly acknowledged, they accept that offensive chanting did occur and they regret* that.
However there are two possible explanations for your response. First, that you lack the intelligence and reasoning capability to draw the above deduction.
Or second, that you don't think that pro-terrorist displays like that are any harm, since the only "problem" here are the "whiners".
I know where my money lies, but I'm open to your disabusing me on that.
* - When I say "regret", I expect that they regret the harm done to their image, at least as much as "any" [
sic] offence caused by it.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2020, 08:58:15 PM
It was wrong two levels, saying it and getting caught!
Whoever recorded it and thought it was a good idea to put it on social media needs whipped
So the person with the video phone deserves "whipping" [
sic]
And the people he/she was recording?
I mean, apart from issuing the most anodyne, mealy-mouthed statement they can get away with, will Armagh Camogie take any action against them?
[When I say "action", perhaps something like this: https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/17/edinson-cavani-charged-by-fa-for-racist-instagram-post-13765874/ (https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/17/edinson-cavani-charged-by-fa-for-racist-instagram-post-13765874/)?]
Who's to say it was the PIRA they were singing it about? Does the 'old' UVF excuse that seems to be accepted by society in the north only work for unionism? ::)
Meanwhile Armagh camogie association makes an apology and the same people who are falling over themselves to say its not good enough are lauding the IFA for doing a fantastic job combatting sectarianism when in actual fact they continually just sweep it under the carpet. I imagine everyone would be a lot more inclined to consider their behaviour, if it wasn't so galling listening to complete hypocrites pontificate about it.
*I should say, that's not directed at you specifically EG, more those prominent in society in the north
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/12/17/news/-identify-and-punish-those-who-sang-secarian-chant---glentoran-2162634/
Quote from: haranguerer on December 21, 2020, 03:03:08 PM
Who's to say it was the PIRA they were singing it about?
Er, right.
And when people eg daub a swastika on the wall of a synagogue, it's actually a reference to the pre-1930's period, when it was actually seen as a "Good Luck" symbol, you know, wishing them well:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29644591 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29644591)
And when
am I going to get my laundry back?
(http://www.newsfour.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Screenshot_2020-11-17-Oct-Nov-2020-NewsFour-press2-pdf2-768x615.png)
http://www.newsfour.ie/2020/11/swastika-laundry-remembered/ (http://www.newsfour.ie/2020/11/swastika-laundry-remembered/)
Quote from: haranguerer on December 21, 2020, 03:03:08 PM
Does the 'old' UVF excuse that seems to be accepted by society in the north only work for unionism? ::)
Whataboutery.
Quote from: haranguerer on December 21, 2020, 03:03:08 PM
Meanwhile Armagh camogie association makes an apology and the same people who are falling over themselves to say its not good enough are lauding the IFA for doing a fantastic job combatting sectarianism when in actual fact they continually just sweep it under the carpet. I imagine everyone would be a lot more inclined to consider their behaviour, if it wasn't so galling listening to complete hypocrites pontificate about it.
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/12/17/news/-identify-and-punish-those-who-sang-secarian-chant---glentoran-2162634/
More whataboutery.
Or did Armagh's opponents make a complaint and a demand for punitive action that I somehow missed?
Quote from: haranguerer on December 21, 2020, 03:03:08 PM
*I should say, that's not directed at you specifically EG, more those prominent in society in the north
Then why not open a thread for those prominent people? You know, in the "General Section"?
That way we'd be less likely to get deflected from the topic at hand....
'Whataboutery' doesn't dismiss the points, nor is it deflection. Everything being relative to everything else, or 'whataboutery' if you will, is key to for one thing the functioning of justice, and for another, setting any sort of standard for behaviour.
This is part of a wider conversation, you can choose to bury your head in the sand about that or not, but it doesn't change the fact. Your response seems to suggest that yes, you don't think its the 'old' uvf they are celebrating either, yet these events are embraced by unionism as a whole - a uvf wreath was placed at city hall on remembrance day (i believe the attached statement included conflicts since the WWs). Very hard to take criticism from those quarters on matters like this, and undoubtedly contributes to a mood of defiance, especially at a time when, incredibly, it seems we are expected to celebrate a state which systematically discriminated against us.
You can be selective in your criticism, but you should try not to be blind to, nor dismiss as 'whataboutery' attempts to place it in society as a whole, which, if you'd any interest in actually changing the behaviour, is essential.
Quote from: haranguerer on December 21, 2020, 04:24:47 PM
'Whataboutery' doesn't dismiss the points, nor is it deflection. Everything being relative to everything else, or 'whataboutery' if you will, is key to for one thing the functioning of justice, and for another, setting any sort of standard for behaviour.
This is part of a wider conversation, you can choose to bury your head in the sand about that or not, but it doesn't change the fact. Your response seems to suggest that yes, you don't think its the 'old' uvf they are celebrating either, yet these events are embraced by unionism as a whole - a uvf wreath was placed at city hall on remembrance day (i believe the attached statement included conflicts since the WWs). Very hard to take criticism from those quarters on matters like this, and undoubtedly contributes to a mood of defiance, especially at a time when, incredibly, it seems we are expected to celebrate a state which systematically discriminated against us.
You can be selective in your criticism, but you should try not to be blind to, nor dismiss as 'whataboutery' attempts to place it in society as a whole, which, if you'd any interest in actually changing the behaviour, is essential.
This thread is about Armagh Camogie, not soccer, or Unionism.
There are numerous threads about both in the General Section, so why do you introduce them to this one, unless you somehow feel that the incident under discussion, and which AC apologised for (kinda), no longer matters, or even never really happened, because "themmuns" are up to far worse?
Or to put it another way, those extraneous topics are only "part of the wider discussion" [
sic] because you choose to make them so.
Is this because you are embarrassed at people focusing on this one, so wish to deflect?
Or because you're not at all embarrassed, and therefore feel that it's only "Themmuns" who have the problem?
Frankly, I'm not sure which of the two is the more, er, embarrassing.
So you're in posting about Armagh camogie ;D Good stuff.
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 21, 2020, 04:49:18 PM
This thread is about Armagh Camogie, not soccer, or Unionism.
I have listened to this clip multiple times. If you are contending that these ladies are singing "up the 'RA" would you please indicate the time in the clip when there is a "the" sound. Presumably this occurred several times, so you shouldn't have any bother identifying one.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 21, 2020, 06:19:08 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 21, 2020, 04:49:18 PM
This thread is about Armagh Camogie, not soccer, or Unionism.
I have listened to this clip multiple times. If you are contending that these ladies are singing "up the 'RA" would you please indicate the time in the clip when there is a "the" sound. Presumably this occurred several times, so you shouldn't have any bother identifying one.
Armagh Camogie have investigated.
Had they determined that the girls were singing "Up Armagh", they'd have said so.
Instead they issued an apology (of sorts).
You don't need to be Columbo to figure out why.
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 21, 2020, 06:45:21 PM
Armagh Camogie have investigated.
I asked you to point out the offensive section of the clip. You obviously cannot.
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 21, 2020, 06:45:21 PM
Had they determined that the girls were singing "Up Armagh", they'd have said so.
Instead they issued an apology (of sorts).
They might just be pandering to the sectarian mob to get peace and quiet.
First time I listened to it, clearly saying 'Oh ah up Armagh..'. As mentioned, what would even drive them to saying what they are accused of in that moment, it just doesn't follow logic.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 21, 2020, 06:49:53 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 21, 2020, 06:45:21 PM
Armagh Camogie have investigated.
I asked you to point out the offensive section of the clip. You obviously cannot.
It is not for me to prove or disprove anything.
The charge was that they were making an offensive chant. And AC tacitly accepted they were, otherwise they'd have said they weren't.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 21, 2020, 06:49:53 PM
They might just be pandering to the sectarian mob to get peace and quiet.
Bullshit!
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 21, 2020, 07:12:23 PM
First time I listened to it, clearly saying 'Oh ah up Armagh..'. As mentioned, what would even drive them to saying what they are accused of in that moment, it just doesn't follow logic.
The only "logic" is that AC have determined that the offensive chanting did occur.
Had they determined that it hadn't, or that it was uncertain what had been chanted, they'd have said so.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 21, 2020, 07:12:23 PM
First time I listened to it, clearly saying 'Oh ah up Armagh..'. As mentioned, what would even drive them to saying what they are accused of in that moment, it just doesn't follow logic.
I suppose if you want to here 'oh ah up
the ra' you'll hear that clearly enough. I didn't hear 'oh ah up Armagh' as there is definitely a 'the' in that ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2020, 07:26:20 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 21, 2020, 07:12:23 PM
First time I listened to it, clearly saying 'Oh ah up Armagh..'. As mentioned, what would even drive them to saying what they are accused of in that moment, it just doesn't follow logic.
I suppose if you want to here 'oh ah up the ra' you'll hear that clearly enough. I didn't hear 'oh ah up Armagh' as there is definitely a 'the' in that ;D
Where is the definite "the"?
Quote from: armaghniac on December 21, 2020, 08:29:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2020, 07:26:20 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 21, 2020, 07:12:23 PM
First time I listened to it, clearly saying 'Oh ah up Armagh..'. As mentioned, what would even drive them to saying what they are accused of in that moment, it just doesn't follow logic.
I suppose if you want to here 'oh ah up the ra' you'll hear that clearly enough. I didn't hear 'oh ah up Armagh' as there is definitely a 'the' in that ;D
Where is the definite "the"?
Unless the Armagh brogue is very thick I can hear it clearly. Like I said they could be singing 'Oh ah up the Armagh'
It couldn't be much clearer that they're singing "armagh" not "the ra"
Quote from: hardstation on December 21, 2020, 08:37:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2020, 08:33:24 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 21, 2020, 08:29:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2020, 07:26:20 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 21, 2020, 07:12:23 PM
First time I listened to it, clearly saying 'Oh ah up Armagh..'. As mentioned, what would even drive them to saying what they are accused of in that moment, it just doesn't follow logic.
I suppose if you want to here 'oh ah up the ra' you'll hear that clearly enough. I didn't hear 'oh ah up Armagh' as there is definitely a 'the' in that ;D
Where is the definite "the"?
Unless the Armagh brogue is very thick I can hear it clearly. Like I said they could be singing 'Oh ah up the Armagh'
The "the" you hear could be the "Ar" other people hear.
There is a significant difference between "the" and "Ar". This clip isn't very clear, but the only thing you can say is that the "m" is rather silent, it sounds a bit like up uparra, but sports chants often lack Sinatra style phrasing.
Does anyone know any of these ladies?
I've listen to it too and whilst some parts it clearly sounds like 'up armagh' there are other parts which sound like 'up the ra'.
Quote from: tintin25 on December 21, 2020, 09:03:11 PM
I've listen to it too and whilst some parts it clearly sounds like 'up armagh' there are other parts which sound like 'up the ra'.
Most likely a couple of smart alecs through in the latter and though it was funny.
ABC Council have got their own back on the girls who were celebrating this once in a life time achievement.
For singing a song at a private function with misheard lyrics - no civic reception in ABC Council.
For singing offensive sectarian songs six months of the year, every year, marching down public roads and dragging their coats - applause from ABC Council.
quality is at the essence of the latest effort to amalgamate the two women's Gaelic games organisations with the GAA, the Gaelic Players' Association (GPA) looking to crystallise opinion on that matter with their motion at Congress this weekend.
GPA chief executive Tom Parsons outlined that exact intention at a press briefing at the Radisson Hotel in Dublin Airport on Monday, highlighting the fact the biggest push is coming from the players themselves, and that the time for integration is "here and now".
Motion 33 calls on the association "to prioritise integration with the LGFA and Camogie Association in order to jointly ensure equal recognition, investment and opportunity for all genders to play all sports in the Gaelic games family".
For Parsons, the former Mayo footballer, there's already been enough talk on the matter, now is the time for action.
"There's been a journey for the three separate governing bodies for 20 years now," he said, "even going back to 2003 when Seán Kelly set up a working group to bring them all together as one GAA family, by the end of 2007.
"Since then all we've seen are memorandums of understanding, agreement to make stronger links, but we've never got a commitment. That's what players are shouting for now, a commitment and timeline, because equality cannot be achieved as long as there are three separate organisations.
"The motion is about integration, but also to ensure equal opportunity for every GAA player, girl or boy, man or woman. Morally and culturally it's the right thing to do, but it also creates great opportunities, to further propel the GAA as one of the greatest sporting organisations in the world. The one thing that's holding the GAA back is that it represents boys and men only."
As for barriers which to date may have prevented such a move, Parsons believes fear of losing some "voice" may be chief among them: "There might be the fear of losing an independent voice, or would there be equal investment and recognition. There's a responsibility for the GAA to ensure this is a win-win for all three associations, same as when the GPA merged with the LGPA [last year]. Since we merged the women's voice has only been strengthened.
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 12:13:50 PM
quality is at the essence of the latest effort to amalgamate the two women's Gaelic games organisations with the GAA, the Gaelic Players' Association (GPA) looking to crystallise opinion on that matter with their motion at Congress this weekend.
GPA chief executive Tom Parsons outlined that exact intention at a press briefing at the Radisson Hotel in Dublin Airport on Monday, highlighting the fact the biggest push is coming from the players themselves, and that the time for integration is "here and now".
Motion 33 calls on the association "to prioritise integration with the LGFA and Camogie Association in order to jointly ensure equal recognition, investment and opportunity for all genders to play all sports in the Gaelic games family".
For Parsons, the former Mayo footballer, there's already been enough talk on the matter, now is the time for action.
"There's been a journey for the three separate governing bodies for 20 years now," he said, "even going back to 2003 when Seán Kelly set up a working group to bring them all together as one GAA family, by the end of 2007.
"Since then all we've seen are memorandums of understanding, agreement to make stronger links, but we've never got a commitment. That's what players are shouting for now, a commitment and timeline, because equality cannot be achieved as long as there are three separate organisations.
"The motion is about integration, but also to ensure equal opportunity for every GAA player, girl or boy, man or woman. Morally and culturally it's the right thing to do, but it also creates great opportunities, to further propel the GAA as one of the greatest sporting organisations in the world. The one thing that's holding the GAA back is that it represents boys and men only."
As for barriers which to date may have prevented such a move, Parsons believes fear of losing some "voice" may be chief among them: "There might be the fear of losing an independent voice, or would there be equal investment and recognition. There's a responsibility for the GAA to ensure this is a win-win for all three associations, same as when the GPA merged with the LGPA [last year]. Since we merged the women's voice has only been strengthened.
This isn't just in the gift of the GAA, but the Camogie Association and LGFA to settle their outstanding difficulties within and for those who think this is a non brainer and at certain levels it is, but each and every County board will need to merge as well as at club level which to a certain extent happens as per the outworking's of the 2007 agreements.
Most clubs I know are already defacto merged and if anything the Camogies Association has better medical cover for their players than what the GAA currently offer..
Would there be much complications at croke park when the merger happens?
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 12:13:50 PM
quality is at the essence of the latest effort to amalgamate the two women's Gaelic games organisations with the GAA, the Gaelic Players' Association (GPA) looking to crystallise opinion on that matter with their motion at Congress this weekend.
GPA chief executive Tom Parsons outlined that exact intention at a press briefing at the Radisson Hotel in Dublin Airport on Monday, highlighting the fact the biggest push is coming from the players themselves, and that the time for integration is "here and now".
Motion 33 calls on the association "to prioritise integration with the LGFA and Camogie Association in order to jointly ensure equal recognition, investment and opportunity for all genders to play all sports in the Gaelic games family".
For Parsons, the former Mayo footballer, there's already been enough talk on the matter, now is the time for action.
"There's been a journey for the three separate governing bodies for 20 years now," he said, "even going back to 2003 when Seán Kelly set up a working group to bring them all together as one GAA family, by the end of 2007.
"Since then all we've seen are memorandums of understanding, agreement to make stronger links, but we've never got a commitment. That's what players are shouting for now, a commitment and timeline, because equality cannot be achieved as long as there are three separate organisations.
"The motion is about integration, but also to ensure equal opportunity for every GAA player, girl or boy, man or woman. Morally and culturally it's the right thing to do, but it also creates great opportunities, to further propel the GAA as one of the greatest sporting organisations in the world. The one thing that's holding the GAA back is that it represents boys and men only."
As for barriers which to date may have prevented such a move, Parsons believes fear of losing some "voice" may be chief among them: "There might be the fear of losing an independent voice, or would there be equal investment and recognition. There's a responsibility for the GAA to ensure this is a win-win for all three associations, same as when the GPA merged with the LGPA [last year]. Since we merged the women's voice has only been strengthened.
Tom needs to give his head a wobble with that soundbite, a bit rich the GPA lecturing on perceived inequality, there are 3 organisations, its OK to have 3 organisations, 3 organisations which I'm sure are proud of their achievements and rightly so. 3 organisations that I'm sure can be integrated and will be, but why is it any more the GAAs responsibility than either of the other 2 organisations. Vomit inducing to be honest.
Conor Meyler giving it the big one too... "if you stay quiet you're part of the problem" "it's a lack of awareness and education in young males" "we seen the Aisling Murphy incident... how many males went and had a conversation then? I was able to go to my girlfriend and have a conversation about it because you're trying to break down barriers" ... bore the f**k off you absolute unicorn
Quote from: tiempo on February 22, 2022, 01:53:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 12:13:50 PM
quality is at the essence of the latest effort to amalgamate the two women's Gaelic games organisations with the GAA, the Gaelic Players' Association (GPA) looking to crystallise opinion on that matter with their motion at Congress this weekend.
GPA chief executive Tom Parsons outlined that exact intention at a press briefing at the Radisson Hotel in Dublin Airport on Monday, highlighting the fact the biggest push is coming from the players themselves, and that the time for integration is "here and now".
Motion 33 calls on the association "to prioritise integration with the LGFA and Camogie Association in order to jointly ensure equal recognition, investment and opportunity for all genders to play all sports in the Gaelic games family".
For Parsons, the former Mayo footballer, there's already been enough talk on the matter, now is the time for action.
"There's been a journey for the three separate governing bodies for 20 years now," he said, "even going back to 2003 when Seán Kelly set up a working group to bring them all together as one GAA family, by the end of 2007.
"Since then all we've seen are memorandums of understanding, agreement to make stronger links, but we've never got a commitment. That's what players are shouting for now, a commitment and timeline, because equality cannot be achieved as long as there are three separate organisations.
"The motion is about integration, but also to ensure equal opportunity for every GAA player, girl or boy, man or woman. Morally and culturally it's the right thing to do, but it also creates great opportunities, to further propel the GAA as one of the greatest sporting organisations in the world. The one thing that's holding the GAA back is that it represents boys and men only."
As for barriers which to date may have prevented such a move, Parsons believes fear of losing some "voice" may be chief among them: "There might be the fear of losing an independent voice, or would there be equal investment and recognition. There's a responsibility for the GAA to ensure this is a win-win for all three associations, same as when the GPA merged with the LGPA [last year]. Since we merged the women's voice has only been strengthened.
Tom needs to give his head a wobble with that soundbite, a bit rich the GPA lecturing on perceived inequality, there are 3 organisations, its OK to have 3 organisations, 3 organisations which I'm sure are proud of their achievements and rightly so. 3 organisations that I'm sure can be integrated and will be, but why is it any more the GAAs responsibility than either of the other 2 organisations. Vomit inducing to be honest.
Conor Meyler giving it the big one too... "if you stay quiet you're part of the problem" "it's a lack of awareness and education in young males" "we seen the Aisling Murphy incident... how many males went and had a conversation then? I was able to go to my girlfriend and have a conversation about it because you're trying to break down barriers" ... bore the f**k off you absolute unicorn
Was a bit confused at this line in particular. What that has got to do with the LGFA and Camogie Association being better organised or agreeing to come under the GAA umbrella is beyond me.
Many in society are better placed to address/comment on those broader societal issues than Conor Meyler and Tom Parsons ffs.
One of the things this change does is reduce the number of counties administered by the GAA who have never won a senior all Ireland.
Monaghan ladies have 2 all Irelands
Antrim have 6 camogie titles
Mayo ladies know how to win finals
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2022, 04:27:29 PM
One of the things this change does is reduce the number of counties administered by the GAA who have never won a senior all Ireland.
Monaghan ladies have 2 all Irelands
Antrim have 6 camogie titles
Mayo ladies know how to win finals
Mayo Ladies have not won an AI in nearly 20 years. It's like saying Galway footballers know how to win AI's?
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 22, 2022, 04:54:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2022, 04:27:29 PM
One of the things this change does is reduce the number of counties administered by the GAA who have never won a senior all Ireland.
Monaghan ladies have 2 all Irelands
Antrim have 6 camogie titles
Mayo ladies know how to win finals
Mayo Ladies have not won an AI in nearly 20 years. It's like saying Galway footballers know how to win AI's?
His point is valid. Where is this assumption the GAA can do it better coming from? It's a bit mansplainy
Nordies against change ::)
Bejases that's one thing that will never change :-\
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 22, 2022, 04:54:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2022, 04:27:29 PM
One of the things this change does is reduce the number of counties administered by the GAA who have never won a senior all Ireland.
Monaghan ladies have 2 all Irelands
Antrim have 6 camogie titles
Mayo ladies know how to win finals
Mayo Ladies have not won an AI in nearly 20 years. It's like saying Galway footballers know how to win AI's?
The standard deviation is 30 years so why the panic ?
;D
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2022, 06:28:43 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 22, 2022, 04:54:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2022, 04:27:29 PM
One of the things this change does is reduce the number of counties administered by the GAA who have never won a senior all Ireland.
Monaghan ladies have 2 all Irelands
Antrim have 6 camogie titles
Mayo ladies know how to win finals
Mayo Ladies have not won an AI in nearly 20 years. It's like saying Galway footballers know how to win AI's?
The standard deviation is 30 years so why the panic ?
;D
Quote from: Rossfan on February 22, 2022, 05:47:27 PM
Nordies against change ::)
Bejases that's one thing that will never change :-\
Yes I forgot Roscommon was a bastion of progression and modernisation.
Can't help thinking that being a club / county administrator in a One Club system could end up extraordinarily time-consuming and thanklessly unrewarding. Not really sure how shortfalls in venues, volunteers and referees might improve under such an approach.
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on February 22, 2022, 02:23:51 PM
Quote from: tiempo on February 22, 2022, 01:53:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 12:13:50 PM
quality is at the essence of the latest effort to amalgamate the two women's Gaelic games organisations with the GAA, the Gaelic Players' Association (GPA) looking to crystallise opinion on that matter with their motion at Congress this weekend.
GPA chief executive Tom Parsons outlined that exact intention at a press briefing at the Radisson Hotel in Dublin Airport on Monday, highlighting the fact the biggest push is coming from the players themselves, and that the time for integration is "here and now".
Motion 33 calls on the association "to prioritise integration with the LGFA and Camogie Association in order to jointly ensure equal recognition, investment and opportunity for all genders to play all sports in the Gaelic games family".
For Parsons, the former Mayo footballer, there's already been enough talk on the matter, now is the time for action.
"There's been a journey for the three separate governing bodies for 20 years now," he said, "even going back to 2003 when Seán Kelly set up a working group to bring them all together as one GAA family, by the end of 2007.
"Since then all we've seen are memorandums of understanding, agreement to make stronger links, but we've never got a commitment. That's what players are shouting for now, a commitment and timeline, because equality cannot be achieved as long as there are three separate organisations.
"The motion is about integration, but also to ensure equal opportunity for every GAA player, girl or boy, man or woman. Morally and culturally it's the right thing to do, but it also creates great opportunities, to further propel the GAA as one of the greatest sporting organisations in the world. The one thing that's holding the GAA back is that it represents boys and men only."
As for barriers which to date may have prevented such a move, Parsons believes fear of losing some "voice" may be chief among them: "There might be the fear of losing an independent voice, or would there be equal investment and recognition. There's a responsibility for the GAA to ensure this is a win-win for all three associations, same as when the GPA merged with the LGPA [last year]. Since we merged the women's voice has only been strengthened.
Tom needs to give his head a wobble with that soundbite, a bit rich the GPA lecturing on perceived inequality, there are 3 organisations, its OK to have 3 organisations, 3 organisations which I'm sure are proud of their achievements and rightly so. 3 organisations that I'm sure can be integrated and will be, but why is it any more the GAAs responsibility than either of the other 2 organisations. Vomit inducing to be honest.
Conor Meyler giving it the big one too... "if you stay quiet you're part of the problem" "it's a lack of awareness and education in young males" "we seen the Aisling Murphy incident... how many males went and had a conversation then? I was able to go to my girlfriend and have a conversation about it because you're trying to break down barriers" ... bore the f**k off you absolute unicorn
Was a bit confused at this line in particular. What that has got to do with the LGFA and Camogie Association being better organised or agreeing to come under the GAA umbrella is beyond me.
Many in society are better placed to address/comment on those broader societal issues than Conor Meyler and Tom Parsons ffs.
Very strange statement from Meyler. Seems to be trying to shoehorn some feminist agenda into it.
And he's doing a PhD on Gender in Sport? What does that qualify him to do? Some odd fellows up in Tyrone it must be said.
Quote from: tiempo on February 22, 2022, 01:53:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 12:13:50 PM
quality is at the essence of the latest effort to amalgamate the two women's Gaelic games organisations with the GAA, the Gaelic Players' Association (GPA) looking to crystallise opinion on that matter with their motion at Congress this weekend.
GPA chief executive Tom Parsons outlined that exact intention at a press briefing at the Radisson Hotel in Dublin Airport on Monday, highlighting the fact the biggest push is coming from the players themselves, and that the time for integration is "here and now".
Motion 33 calls on the association "to prioritise integration with the LGFA and Camogie Association in order to jointly ensure equal recognition, investment and opportunity for all genders to play all sports in the Gaelic games family".
For Parsons, the former Mayo footballer, there's already been enough talk on the matter, now is the time for action.
"There's been a journey for the three separate governing bodies for 20 years now," he said, "even going back to 2003 when Seán Kelly set up a working group to bring them all together as one GAA family, by the end of 2007.
"Since then all we've seen are memorandums of understanding, agreement to make stronger links, but we've never got a commitment. That's what players are shouting for now, a commitment and timeline, because equality cannot be achieved as long as there are three separate organisations.
"The motion is about integration, but also to ensure equal opportunity for every GAA player, girl or boy, man or woman. Morally and culturally it's the right thing to do, but it also creates great opportunities, to further propel the GAA as one of the greatest sporting organisations in the world. The one thing that's holding the GAA back is that it represents boys and men only."
As for barriers which to date may have prevented such a move, Parsons believes fear of losing some "voice" may be chief among them: "There might be the fear of losing an independent voice, or would there be equal investment and recognition. There's a responsibility for the GAA to ensure this is a win-win for all three associations, same as when the GPA merged with the LGPA [last year]. Since we merged the women's voice has only been strengthened.
Tom needs to give his head a wobble with that soundbite, a bit rich the GPA lecturing on perceived inequality, there are 3 organisations, its OK to have 3 organisations, 3 organisations which I'm sure are proud of their achievements and rightly so. 3 organisations that I'm sure can be integrated and will be, but why is it any more the GAAs responsibility than either of the other 2 organisations. Vomit inducing to be honest.
Conor Meyler giving it the big one too... "if you stay quiet you're part of the problem" "it's a lack of awareness and education in young males" "we seen the Aisling Murphy incident... how many males went and had a conversation then? I was able to go to my girlfriend and have a conversation about it because you're trying to break down barriers" ... bore the f**k off you absolute unicorn
That statement from Meyler is so ridiculous and inappropriate on many levels.
The GPA embarrassing themselves with some of these statements.
https://www.twitter.com/SmallerFishGAA/status/1496067967796318214
Parkinson calling out Meyler. He's correct in this instance, to shoehorn in a recent high profile murder into this is really shameful and unnecessary.
Quote from: full moon on February 22, 2022, 10:01:44 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on February 22, 2022, 02:23:51 PM
Quote from: tiempo on February 22, 2022, 01:53:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 12:13:50 PM
quality is at the essence of the latest effort to amalgamate the two women's Gaelic games organisations with the GAA, the Gaelic Players' Association (GPA) looking to crystallise opinion on that matter with their motion at Congress this weekend.
GPA chief executive Tom Parsons outlined that exact intention at a press briefing at the Radisson Hotel in Dublin Airport on Monday, highlighting the fact the biggest push is coming from the players themselves, and that the time for integration is "here and now".
Motion 33 calls on the association "to prioritise integration with the LGFA and Camogie Association in order to jointly ensure equal recognition, investment and opportunity for all genders to play all sports in the Gaelic games family".
For Parsons, the former Mayo footballer, there's already been enough talk on the matter, now is the time for action.
"There's been a journey for the three separate governing bodies for 20 years now," he said, "even going back to 2003 when Seán Kelly set up a working group to bring them all together as one GAA family, by the end of 2007.
"Since then all we've seen are memorandums of understanding, agreement to make stronger links, but we've never got a commitment. That's what players are shouting for now, a commitment and timeline, because equality cannot be achieved as long as there are three separate organisations.
"The motion is about integration, but also to ensure equal opportunity for every GAA player, girl or boy, man or woman. Morally and culturally it's the right thing to do, but it also creates great opportunities, to further propel the GAA as one of the greatest sporting organisations in the world. The one thing that's holding the GAA back is that it represents boys and men only."
As for barriers which to date may have prevented such a move, Parsons believes fear of losing some "voice" may be chief among them: "There might be the fear of losing an independent voice, or would there be equal investment and recognition. There's a responsibility for the GAA to ensure this is a win-win for all three associations, same as when the GPA merged with the LGPA [last year]. Since we merged the women's voice has only been strengthened.
Tom needs to give his head a wobble with that soundbite, a bit rich the GPA lecturing on perceived inequality, there are 3 organisations, its OK to have 3 organisations, 3 organisations which I'm sure are proud of their achievements and rightly so. 3 organisations that I'm sure can be integrated and will be, but why is it any more the GAAs responsibility than either of the other 2 organisations. Vomit inducing to be honest.
Conor Meyler giving it the big one too... "if you stay quiet you're part of the problem" "it's a lack of awareness and education in young males" "we seen the Aisling Murphy incident... how many males went and had a conversation then? I was able to go to my girlfriend and have a conversation about it because you're trying to break down barriers" ... bore the f**k off you absolute unicorn
Was a bit confused at this line in particular. What that has got to do with the LGFA and Camogie Association being better organised or agreeing to come under the GAA umbrella is beyond me.
Many in society are better placed to address/comment on those broader societal issues than Conor Meyler and Tom Parsons ffs.
Very strange statement from Meyler. Seems to be trying to shoehorn some feminist agenda into it.
And he's doing a PhD on Gender in Sport? What does that qualify him to do? Some odd fellows up in Tyrone it must be said.
It's a license to print money I'd say, when I was at University there was a door labelled "poet in residence" Meyler will be that guy, grant funded for the next 20 years no bother with that "qualification"
Quote from: tiempo on February 22, 2022, 10:55:18 PM
Quote from: full moon on February 22, 2022, 10:01:44 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on February 22, 2022, 02:23:51 PM
Quote from: tiempo on February 22, 2022, 01:53:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 12:13:50 PM
quality is at the essence of the latest effort to amalgamate the two women's Gaelic games organisations with the GAA, the Gaelic Players' Association (GPA) looking to crystallise opinion on that matter with their motion at Congress this weekend.
GPA chief executive Tom Parsons outlined that exact intention at a press briefing at the Radisson Hotel in Dublin Airport on Monday, highlighting the fact the biggest push is coming from the players themselves, and that the time for integration is "here and now".
Motion 33 calls on the association "to prioritise integration with the LGFA and Camogie Association in order to jointly ensure equal recognition, investment and opportunity for all genders to play all sports in the Gaelic games family".
For Parsons, the former Mayo footballer, there's already been enough talk on the matter, now is the time for action.
"There's been a journey for the three separate governing bodies for 20 years now," he said, "even going back to 2003 when Seán Kelly set up a working group to bring them all together as one GAA family, by the end of 2007.
"Since then all we've seen are memorandums of understanding, agreement to make stronger links, but we've never got a commitment. That's what players are shouting for now, a commitment and timeline, because equality cannot be achieved as long as there are three separate organisations.
"The motion is about integration, but also to ensure equal opportunity for every GAA player, girl or boy, man or woman. Morally and culturally it's the right thing to do, but it also creates great opportunities, to further propel the GAA as one of the greatest sporting organisations in the world. The one thing that's holding the GAA back is that it represents boys and men only."
As for barriers which to date may have prevented such a move, Parsons believes fear of losing some "voice" may be chief among them: "There might be the fear of losing an independent voice, or would there be equal investment and recognition. There's a responsibility for the GAA to ensure this is a win-win for all three associations, same as when the GPA merged with the LGPA [last year]. Since we merged the women's voice has only been strengthened.
Tom needs to give his head a wobble with that soundbite, a bit rich the GPA lecturing on perceived inequality, there are 3 organisations, its OK to have 3 organisations, 3 organisations which I'm sure are proud of their achievements and rightly so. 3 organisations that I'm sure can be integrated and will be, but why is it any more the GAAs responsibility than either of the other 2 organisations. Vomit inducing to be honest.
Conor Meyler giving it the big one too... "if you stay quiet you're part of the problem" "it's a lack of awareness and education in young males" "we seen the Aisling Murphy incident... how many males went and had a conversation then? I was able to go to my girlfriend and have a conversation about it because you're trying to break down barriers" ... bore the f**k off you absolute unicorn
Was a bit confused at this line in particular. What that has got to do with the LGFA and Camogie Association being better organised or agreeing to come under the GAA umbrella is beyond me.
Many in society are better placed to address/comment on those broader societal issues than Conor Meyler and Tom Parsons ffs.
Very strange statement from Meyler. Seems to be trying to shoehorn some feminist agenda into it.
And he's doing a PhD on Gender in Sport? What does that qualify him to do? Some odd fellows up in Tyrone it must be said.
It's a license to print money I'd say, when I was at University there was a door labelled "poet in residence" Meyler will be that guy, grant funded for the next 20 years no bother with that "qualification"
;D
It's a strange one, seems like a very staunchly feminist course to be doing at PhD level for a man.
It must qualify him to go on RTE radio and come out with absurd crap. Think a fair few people see through men like this, hopping on a self righteous bandwagon dictating to others while being a total hypocrite at the same time. Think this country has enough of that shite.
It's the crass way Ashling Murphy has been drawn into it which has really sickened me. The article is very self righteous and stinks of media profile building opportunism, be an uber feminist all you want but at least try and stay within the lines. Another few punt in the account anyway nomatter I suppose
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 22, 2022, 05:44:48 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 22, 2022, 04:54:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2022, 04:27:29 PM
One of the things this change does is reduce the number of counties administered by the GAA who have never won a senior all Ireland.
Monaghan ladies have 2 all Irelands
Antrim have 6 camogie titles
Mayo ladies know how to win finals
Mayo Ladies have not won an AI in nearly 20 years. It's like saying Galway footballers know how to win AI's?
His point is valid. Where is this assumption the GAA can do it better coming from? It's a bit mansplainy
It's ultimately a decision for the LGFA and the Camogie Association to make, so no mansplaining in it, but the benefits of them coming inside the umbrella is easier access to thousands of pitches for intercounty and provincial games whereas the Camogie association only have the two pitches maintained by Cork Camogie in Blackrock and I think Tipp Camogie have their own grounds, don't think the LGFA have any and are reliant on the good will of standalone GAA units making their pitches available as we witnessed last weekend.
Club wise I don't think there's an issue with pitch availability but there might be.
If I am following correctly, the driver here is GPA have taken on women so the three bodies should match them. For that reason alone I am opposed.
Quote from: full moon on February 22, 2022, 11:08:00 PM
Quote from: tiempo on February 22, 2022, 10:55:18 PM
Quote from: full moon on February 22, 2022, 10:01:44 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on February 22, 2022, 02:23:51 PM
Quote from: tiempo on February 22, 2022, 01:53:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 12:13:50 PM
quality is at the essence of the latest effort to amalgamate the two women's Gaelic games organisations with the GAA, the Gaelic Players' Association (GPA) looking to crystallise opinion on that matter with their motion at Congress this weekend.
GPA chief executive Tom Parsons outlined that exact intention at a press briefing at the Radisson Hotel in Dublin Airport on Monday, highlighting the fact the biggest push is coming from the players themselves, and that the time for integration is "here and now".
Motion 33 calls on the association "to prioritise integration with the LGFA and Camogie Association in order to jointly ensure equal recognition, investment and opportunity for all genders to play all sports in the Gaelic games family".
For Parsons, the former Mayo footballer, there's already been enough talk on the matter, now is the time for action.
"There's been a journey for the three separate governing bodies for 20 years now," he said, "even going back to 2003 when Seán Kelly set up a working group to bring them all together as one GAA family, by the end of 2007.
"Since then all we've seen are memorandums of understanding, agreement to make stronger links, but we've never got a commitment. That's what players are shouting for now, a commitment and timeline, because equality cannot be achieved as long as there are three separate organisations.
"The motion is about integration, but also to ensure equal opportunity for every GAA player, girl or boy, man or woman. Morally and culturally it's the right thing to do, but it also creates great opportunities, to further propel the GAA as one of the greatest sporting organisations in the world. The one thing that's holding the GAA back is that it represents boys and men only."
As for barriers which to date may have prevented such a move, Parsons believes fear of losing some "voice" may be chief among them: "There might be the fear of losing an independent voice, or would there be equal investment and recognition. There's a responsibility for the GAA to ensure this is a win-win for all three associations, same as when the GPA merged with the LGPA [last year]. Since we merged the women's voice has only been strengthened.
Tom needs to give his head a wobble with that soundbite, a bit rich the GPA lecturing on perceived inequality, there are 3 organisations, its OK to have 3 organisations, 3 organisations which I'm sure are proud of their achievements and rightly so. 3 organisations that I'm sure can be integrated and will be, but why is it any more the GAAs responsibility than either of the other 2 organisations. Vomit inducing to be honest.
Conor Meyler giving it the big one too... "if you stay quiet you're part of the problem" "it's a lack of awareness and education in young males" "we seen the Aisling Murphy incident... how many males went and had a conversation then? I was able to go to my girlfriend and have a conversation about it because you're trying to break down barriers" ... bore the f**k off you absolute unicorn
Was a bit confused at this line in particular. What that has got to do with the LGFA and Camogie Association being better organised or agreeing to come under the GAA umbrella is beyond me.
Many in society are better placed to address/comment on those broader societal issues than Conor Meyler and Tom Parsons ffs.
Very strange statement from Meyler. Seems to be trying to shoehorn some feminist agenda into it.
And he's doing a PhD on Gender in Sport? What does that qualify him to do? Some odd fellows up in Tyrone it must be said.
It's a license to print money I'd say, when I was at University there was a door labelled "poet in residence" Meyler will be that guy, grant funded for the next 20 years no bother with that "qualification"
;D
It's a strange one, seems like a very staunchly feminist course to be doing at PhD level for a man.
It must qualify him to go on RTE radio and come out with absurd crap. Think a fair few people see through men like this, hopping on a self righteous bandwagon dictating to others while being a total hypocrite at the same time. Think this country has enough of that shite.
Like bressie and Rory's stories going around the country charging a packet to give mental health talks.
Mods,
Some disgraceful personal attacks on an individual.
Quote from: johnnycool on February 23, 2022, 08:47:09 AM
It's ultimately a decision for the LGFA and the Camogie Association to make, so no mansplaining in it, but the benefits of them coming inside the umbrella is easier access to thousands of pitches for intercounty and provincial games whereas the Camogie association only have the two pitches maintained by Cork Camogie in Blackrock and I think Tipp Camogie have their own grounds, don't think the LGFA have any and are reliant on the good will of standalone GAA units making their pitches available as we witnessed last weekend.
Club wise I don't think there's an issue with pitch availability but there might be.
Armagh LGFA have a pitch at the former "Morgan" Killean club.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 23, 2022, 11:05:57 AM
Mods,
Some disgraceful personal attacks on an individual.
Really where? Do you think the comments are appropriate by Meyler? Because they're being criticised elsewhere. Come out with deliberately antagonistic, self serving and divisive comments, expect criticism on them.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 23, 2022, 09:37:16 AM
If I am following correctly, the driver here is GPA have taken on women so the three bodies should match them. For that reason alone I am opposed.
You probably should have checked first whether you were following correctly, before posting such a juvenile retort.
Quote from: Hound on February 23, 2022, 03:05:31 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 23, 2022, 09:37:16 AM
If I am following correctly, the driver here is GPA have taken on women so the three bodies should match them. For that reason alone I am opposed.
You probably should have checked first whether you were following correctly, before posting such a juvenile retort.
BB2 you are following correctly. The GPA have taken a virtue signaling position having only recently brought the WGPA on board.
The WGPA's report 'Levelling the Field', released in October 2020 noted that 93 per cent of female intercounty players receive no travel expenses at all. Some spend up to €200 per week on fuel to accommodate training.
That report also highlighted that while the government provided €3m for the GAA's player grants scheme last year, just €700,000 went to the women's game.
Shame on those claiming the inability of the LGFA or Camogie Association to facilitate their members participation is the fault/responsibility of the GAA, and the inability of the LGFA/Camogie association to assimilate with each other or the GAA is the fault of the GAA. The GAA are incredibly supportive of these organisations, and before they become part of the GAA they need to get their own house in order.
If the lads really wanted to make a statement, maybe they would donate half of their grants to their female counterparts, yeno if you're not taking action you're part of the problem.
No coincidence all this feminist anti men shite from the GPA after they hired that "Diversity, Equality and Inclusion" officer Gemma Begley from Tyrone.
This seems orchestrated I see Gearoid Hegarty and Meyler tweeting out similar today, are all these cretins on the GPA pay roll?
Its fantastic to see the GPA pushing for equality ! Requesting that county training facilities would be shared equally between mens and ladies teams and requesting equal spending on all adult teams. Surely in the short term this will see mens teams having less access to facilities and less cash to be spent on them, but its fantastic to see the mens section of the GPA pushing for this.
Quote from: Hound on February 23, 2022, 03:05:31 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 23, 2022, 09:37:16 AM
If I am following correctly, the driver here is GPA have taken on women so the three bodies should match them. For that reason alone I am opposed.
You probably should have checked first whether you were following correctly, before posting such a juvenile retort.
Prove me wrong. It was a lady GPA manager on the wireless plugging this yesterday
Quote from: thebackbar1 on February 23, 2022, 03:53:15 PM
Its fantastic to see the GPA pushing for equality ! Requesting that county training facilities would be shared equally between mens and ladies teams and requesting equal spending on all adult teams. Surely in the short term this will see mens teams having less access to facilities and less cash to be spent on them, but its fantastic to see the mens section of the GPA pushing for this.
Meyler, Parsons is that you?
"Equality" is such a meaningless word. The GPA represent only themselves, a handful of wannabe politicians trying to promote themselves and get money/employment to help their "careers".
Equally spending on all teams is absurd especially for smaller counties, when 95% of the money is coming from men's matches. That isn't equality it's nonsensical.
You could argue for shared facilities and most will agree, but some of the commentary surrounding this has been disgraceful from the GPA.
Todays offering... Déise boss Ephie Fitzgerald says ladies football 'going nowhere' without amalgamation... coming from a county that pays lip service to mens football thats embarrassing, he's basically claiming incompetence on behalf of the LGFA, the LGFA/Camogie haven't the wherewithal to up their game or amalgamate (with anyone) so they're throwing roundhouses in all directions with the support of the GPA, what a remarkable way to try and endear yourself to an organisation that has overwhelmingly supported your current structure and growth and that you purportedly want to join
The GPA sticking their nose in again - bunch of mouth pieces and always an ulterior motive.
There is no doubt the LGFA should come under the umbrella and everyone as one.
In many clubs the ladies & mens teams operate side by side in any case with no issues.
I assume a club is not bound to give their facilities for the use of the ladies game?
Isnt this question firmly with the two ladies associations? WHy is the GAA always getting blamed for stuff outside of their remit. Its ridiculous the lack of understanding out there on who actuall governs who. For example, apparently it is "the GAAs" fault that Slaughtneil camogs had to play a semi final in Wexford.
@Itchy - while freeloading on a GAA pitch; the hypocrisy is something to behold
As Ladies Football and Camogie were not "field games under the control of the Association" were the GAA breaking Rule 42 for decades by letting them play on GAA owned pitches?
Evidently, but don't let the GAAs willingness to accommodate and support the development and growth of ladies football and camogie get in the way of a good slandering
There is some amount of the general public, who even have kids girls playing, that have no clue that the organisations are not run by the GAA.
You see it in the Twitter storms when any fixture clash happens or the likes. The Ladies semi-final getting moved last minute was a case in point.
It was their own people who were being crooked and had zero back-up plan.
That was some shiteshow when the title sponsor and TV broadcaster couldn't even show the game live...but yet it was still the GAA's fault.
Quote from: tiempo on February 24, 2022, 01:15:43 PM
@Itchy - while freeloading on a GAA pitch; the hypocrisy is something to behold
Indeed, i think the women association should shut down and they should join the GAA but I am pretty sure it is the ladies executives themselves that are the biggest barrier to this so maybe thats where the GPA should aim their fire.
But they can't be seen to be MANSPLAINING to the women's organisations!
An article so bipolar it perfectly sums up the entire issue/non-issue
Big Tam disappointed that 10% of delegates exercised their democratic right
Antrim chair wants people called out
LGFA remain the stumbling block
And what of the LGFA... tumbleweed
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/integration-is-coming-but-pragmatic-ideals-mean-it-wont-be-swift-41392472.html
Saw a few clips of the debate from Congress, 5 or 6 biddies giving it large, chastising the men in the room for their gender basically, but yep, it's men that's the issue
Quote from: tiempo on February 28, 2022, 09:34:55 AM
An article so bipolar it perfectly sums up the entire issue/non-issue
Big Tam disappointed that 10% of delegates exercised their democratic right
Antrim chair wants people called out
LGFA remain the stumbling block
And what of the LGFA... tumbleweed
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/integration-is-coming-but-pragmatic-ideals-mean-it-wont-be-swift-41392472.html
Saw a few clips of the debate from Congress, 5 or 6 biddies giving it large, chastising the men in the room for their gender basically, but yep, it's men that's the issue
McCarthy is entirely right and pragmatic on this one. The biggest issues will be at Provincial and County Board level and that needs fleshed out so that the ladies games aren't marginalised and considering how a lot of county boards and some provinces treat the weaker of the two existing codes under their remit they'd be right to be concerned...
Quote from: tiempo on February 28, 2022, 09:34:55 AM
An article so bipolar it perfectly sums up the entire issue/non-issue
Big Tam disappointed that 10% of delegates exercised their democratic right
Antrim chair wants people called out
LGFA remain the stumbling block
And what of the LGFA... tumbleweed
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/integration-is-coming-but-pragmatic-ideals-mean-it-wont-be-swift-41392472.html
Saw a few clips of the debate from Congress, 5 or 6 biddies giving it large, chastising the men in the room for their gender basically, but yep, it's men that's the issue
Aw boo bloody hoo
In keeping with last week I look forward to GPA Tam and GPA Meyler, and moreso the female GPA reps giving the LGFA both barrels on social media ahead of LGFA congress this weekend. In the interests of equality of course, I mean what's good enough for one is good enough for the other right?
It would be absolute gas if it didn't pass at LGFA congress, is it even up for debate? Surely the GPA put a motion to the congress of all 3 organisations and didn't just single out the GAA. There'll be serious boo hoo if this joined up thinking wasn't so joined up after all.
Quote from: johnnycool on February 28, 2022, 09:44:08 AM
Quote from: tiempo on February 28, 2022, 09:34:55 AM
An article so bipolar it perfectly sums up the entire issue/non-issue
Big Tam disappointed that 10% of delegates exercised their democratic right
Antrim chair wants people called out
LGFA remain the stumbling block
And what of the LGFA... tumbleweed
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/integration-is-coming-but-pragmatic-ideals-mean-it-wont-be-swift-41392472.html
Saw a few clips of the debate from Congress, 5 or 6 biddies giving it large, chastising the men in the room for their gender basically, but yep, it's men that's the issue
McCarthy is entirely right and pragmatic on this one. The biggest issues will be at Provincial and County Board level and that needs fleshed out so that the ladies games aren't marginalised and considering how a lot of county boards and some provinces treat the weaker of the two existing codes under their remit they'd be right to be concerned...
Completely agree.
I often get the sense with Down County Board that hurling is something we usually have to put up with rather than something we enjoy. The reasoning behind this isn't owed to historic factions revolving around anti-hurling or oneupmanship. Instead it's just a reflection of a county whereby the majority of clubs don't partake in hurling, and accordingly the majority of county board attendees have limited passion for the game.
Speaking for myself. It's been a long time since I was our rep, but the thought of attending a county board meeting in which LGFA and camogie interests must be provided equal platform to men's football and hurling, that really wouldn't entice me back!
In my opinion, it HAS to be off putting to a volunteer group to have the passions and needs of another sport foisted upon their remit.
The Association does not work without volunteers.
This path is not one we need to tread.
Does LGFA and Camógaíocht not have any Volunteers?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40817007.html
The most laugh out loud surreal article you could ever wish to read (perfectly in keeping with the subject matter). Wtf
is it with people on this topic!
Can no-one put forward the simple point that the 3 organisations should strongly consider integration without entering into the GAA equivalent of full neo-liberal genetalia obsessed bullshit!
Fully in favour of integration but yeno what, it's OK not integrate either! I have to say Anglea Walsh has been the most rational balanced view I've heard yet, its not f**king rocket science!
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3nAD4yG1YHW6Sen6eLsvLI?si=FgA9_Wu0Rnuar7E6jm1wPA&utm_source=copy-link
My thought is that there must be an absolute tonne of both time and money being wasted by having 3 different organisations.
Think of it this way - imagine if there was 4 separate GAA organisations - one for football, one for hurling, one for rounders and one for handball.
Imagine how much of a disaster that would be and how much more extra money it would cost.
Not to mention how much time would be wasted on duplication of a whole load of administration stuff.
I can't help but think that commissioning some outside consultancy firm to look into this might be something that would pay for itself very quickly.
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 28, 2022, 10:52:05 PM
My thought is that there must be an absolute tonne of both time and money being wasted by having 3 different organisations.
Think of it this way - imagine if there was 4 separate GAA organisations - one for football, one for hurling, one for rounders and one for handball.
Imagine how much of a disaster that would be and how much more extra money it would cost.
Not to mention how much time would be wasted on duplication of a whole load of administration stuff.
I can't help but think that commissioning some outside consultancy firm to look into this might be something that would pay for itself very quickly.
I honestly think you have it inside out.
Instead of multiple groups of people with vested interests in their preferred sport putting their time freely into ensuring the delivery of their sports, you believe that one group of people will be able to objectively and equally balance the needs of 4 sports at once, while leaving their personal preferences at the door.
Furthermore the only outcome that will arise from bringing consultants in, is more consultants coming in after them, and more and more again, until there's a 1% of our members getting paid handsomely to "guide" our sports on behalf of players.
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 28, 2022, 10:52:05 PM
My thought is that there must be an absolute tonne of both time and money being wasted by having 3 different organisations.
Think of it this way - imagine if there was 4 separate GAA organisations - one for football, one for hurling, one for rounders and one for handball.
Imagine how much of a disaster that would be and how much more extra money it would cost.
Not to mention how much time would be wasted on duplication of a whole load of administration stuff.
I can't help but think that commissioning some outside consultancy firm to look into this might be something that would pay for itself very quickly.
You have to remember that when you merge organisations or when you have which is in this case a take-over, Key positions are lost by the organisation being assimilated. Total Power/Control is also lost by the assimilated.
FtB - which is why I think the LGFA are going to have serious reservations about a merger and might also vote against it (again), and I can't say I'd blame them. It'll be gold standard irony if the LGFA don't go for it, I wonder will the GPA be as quick to lambast them for a perceived lack of equality, diversity, etc.
All this talk of needing pitches, if there's one thing the GAA is not short on its pitches and facilities, as Angela Walsh pointed out, the stories of ladies being roaded off pitches are greatly exaggerated. Will the Antrim chair be as quick to demand the proponents of "anti-equality" are "exposed" if the LGFA block the merger... not a snowballs chance in hell
Quote from: tiempo on February 28, 2022, 11:40:39 PM
FtB - which is why I think the LGFA are going to have serious reservations about a merger and might also vote against it (again), and I can't say I'd blame them. It'll be gold standard irony if the LGFA don't go for it, I wonder will the GPA be as quick to lambast them for a perceived lack of equality, diversity, etc.
All this talk of needing pitches, if there's one thing the GAA is not short on its pitches and facilities, as Angela Walsh pointed out, the stories of ladies being roaded off pitches are greatly exaggerated. Will the Antrim chair be as quick to demand the proponents of "anti-equality" are "exposed" if the LGFA block the merger... not a snowballs chance in hell
It's only two weekends ago where Slaughtneil and Sarsfields Galway camogs had to cancel a game on the Saturday as they were told Breffni wasn't playable and both ended up in Wexford of all places the following.
Are you seriously saying that would also have happened if it was and AI mens club football semi-final?
Quote from: johnnycool on March 01, 2022, 07:51:28 AM
Quote from: tiempo on February 28, 2022, 11:40:39 PM
FtB - which is why I think the LGFA are going to have serious reservations about a merger and might also vote against it (again), and I can't say I'd blame them. It'll be gold standard irony if the LGFA don't go for it, I wonder will the GPA be as quick to lambast them for a perceived lack of equality, diversity, etc.
All this talk of needing pitches, if there's one thing the GAA is not short on its pitches and facilities, as Angela Walsh pointed out, the stories of ladies being roaded off pitches are greatly exaggerated. Will the Antrim chair be as quick to demand the proponents of "anti-equality" are "exposed" if the LGFA block the merger... not a snowballs chance in hell
It's only two weekends ago where Slaughtneil and Sarsfields Galway camogs had to cancel a game on the Saturday as they were told Breffni wasn't playable and both ended up in Wexford of all places the following.
Are you seriously saying that would also have happened if it was and AI mens club football semi-final?
On the other hand, camogie and later LGFA were able to establish themselves throughout Ireland without the costs of purchasing or maintaining a playing field, and associated facilities. But availability of these venues resides pretty much in the domain of clubs, not the GAA.
If camogie still doesn't have a network of camogie-friendly club venues to call upon in northwest Ireland, this isn't something that's going to change after a merger.
Quote from: thewobbler on March 01, 2022, 08:28:47 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 01, 2022, 07:51:28 AM
Quote from: tiempo on February 28, 2022, 11:40:39 PM
FtB - which is why I think the LGFA are going to have serious reservations about a merger and might also vote against it (again), and I can't say I'd blame them. It'll be gold standard irony if the LGFA don't go for it, I wonder will the GPA be as quick to lambast them for a perceived lack of equality, diversity, etc.
All this talk of needing pitches, if there's one thing the GAA is not short on its pitches and facilities, as Angela Walsh pointed out, the stories of ladies being roaded off pitches are greatly exaggerated. Will the Antrim chair be as quick to demand the proponents of "anti-equality" are "exposed" if the LGFA block the merger... not a snowballs chance in hell
It's only two weekends ago where Slaughtneil and Sarsfields Galway camogs had to cancel a game on the Saturday as they were told Breffni wasn't playable and both ended up in Wexford of all places the following.
Are you seriously saying that would also have happened if it was and AI mens club football semi-final?
On the other hand, camogie and later LGFA were able to establish themselves throughout Ireland without the costs of purchasing or maintaining a playing field, and associated facilities. But availability of these venues resides pretty much in the domain of clubs, not the GAA.
If camogie still doesn't have a network of camogie-friendly club venues to call upon in northwest Ireland, this isn't something that's going to change after a merger.
apart from Galway and Roscommon there isn't a whole pile of camogie out the North West, but are you telling me clubs would react the same way if Croke Park called looking at pitch availability rather than Caroline Halton?
The LGFA and camogie association can be quick to ridicule the gaa but they really are trying to take over the GAA. We need to fight back
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 01, 2022, 09:44:14 AM
The LGFA and camogie association can be quick to ridicule the gaa but they really are trying to take over the GAA. We need to fight back
Good lord, will you give it a rest?
Quote from: johnnycool on March 01, 2022, 09:41:21 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 01, 2022, 08:28:47 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 01, 2022, 07:51:28 AM
Quote from: tiempo on February 28, 2022, 11:40:39 PM
FtB - which is why I think the LGFA are going to have serious reservations about a merger and might also vote against it (again), and I can't say I'd blame them. It'll be gold standard irony if the LGFA don't go for it, I wonder will the GPA be as quick to lambast them for a perceived lack of equality, diversity, etc.
All this talk of needing pitches, if there's one thing the GAA is not short on its pitches and facilities, as Angela Walsh pointed out, the stories of ladies being roaded off pitches are greatly exaggerated. Will the Antrim chair be as quick to demand the proponents of "anti-equality" are "exposed" if the LGFA block the merger... not a snowballs chance in hell
It's only two weekends ago where Slaughtneil and Sarsfields Galway camogs had to cancel a game on the Saturday as they were told Breffni wasn't playable and both ended up in Wexford of all places the following.
Are you seriously saying that would also have happened if it was and AI mens club football semi-final?
On the other hand, camogie and later LGFA were able to establish themselves throughout Ireland without the costs of purchasing or maintaining a playing field, and associated facilities. But availability of these venues resides pretty much in the domain of clubs, not the GAA.
If camogie still doesn't have a network of camogie-friendly club venues to call upon in northwest Ireland, this isn't something that's going to change after a merger.
apart from Galway and Roscommon there isn't a whole pile of camogie out the North West, but are you telling me clubs would react the same way if Croke Park called looking at pitch availability rather than Caroline Halton?
I think in event of a merger, the following scenario would play out in this situation.
1. Head of Camogie Fixtures gets a call to say their chosen venue is now unavailable.
2. Same Head of Camogie fixtures pulls out his/her black book and starts calling in favours.
3. But everywhere he/she calls is met with the same basic response "look, we'd love to help, but it's January. It's pissing rain here. Nobody has been on our main playing field since November. We wouldn't be able to get the grass cut or pitch lined. Honestly, would love to help, but we just aren't open."
4. Head of Camogie Fixtures bangs head against wall and calls in Head of All Fixtures for help.
5. Head of All Fixtures dials around the county boards, but as expected on a Nationa League weekend, there's a genuine reticence to host a Camogie match on a field that's going to struggle to hold up for. National League game.
6. Head of All Fixtures digs out his/her black book. But everywhere he/she calls is met with the same basic response "look, we'd love to help, but it's January. It's pissing rain here. Nobody has been on our main playing field since November. We wouldn't be able to get the grass cut or pitch lined. Honestly, would love to help, but we just aren't open."
7. Somewhere along the line, having invited a few more people into the wild goose chase, one of the two Fixture Heads stumbles across a venue that will host the match. It's not ideal, not even close. But the match is 2 days away now, and it's not fair on teams or supporters to have a TBC hanging over it while clinging on for a more suitable venue.
——
Honestly I don't see it being any different to now. Most GAA grounds in Ireland are not fit to host competitive action in January.
Quote from: thewobbler on March 01, 2022, 09:59:22 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 01, 2022, 09:41:21 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 01, 2022, 08:28:47 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 01, 2022, 07:51:28 AM
Quote from: tiempo on February 28, 2022, 11:40:39 PM
FtB - which is why I think the LGFA are going to have serious reservations about a merger and might also vote against it (again), and I can't say I'd blame them. It'll be gold standard irony if the LGFA don't go for it, I wonder will the GPA be as quick to lambast them for a perceived lack of equality, diversity, etc.
All this talk of needing pitches, if there's one thing the GAA is not short on its pitches and facilities, as Angela Walsh pointed out, the stories of ladies being roaded off pitches are greatly exaggerated. Will the Antrim chair be as quick to demand the proponents of "anti-equality" are "exposed" if the LGFA block the merger... not a snowballs chance in hell
It's only two weekends ago where Slaughtneil and Sarsfields Galway camogs had to cancel a game on the Saturday as they were told Breffni wasn't playable and both ended up in Wexford of all places the following.
Are you seriously saying that would also have happened if it was and AI mens club football semi-final?
On the other hand, camogie and later LGFA were able to establish themselves throughout Ireland without the costs of purchasing or maintaining a playing field, and associated facilities. But availability of these venues resides pretty much in the domain of clubs, not the GAA.
If camogie still doesn't have a network of camogie-friendly club venues to call upon in northwest Ireland, this isn't something that's going to change after a merger.
apart from Galway and Roscommon there isn't a whole pile of camogie out the North West, but are you telling me clubs would react the same way if Croke Park called looking at pitch availability rather than Caroline Halton?
I think in event of a merger, the following scenario would play out in this situation.
1. Head of Camogie Fixtures gets a call to say their chosen venue is now unavailable.
2. Same Head of Camogie fixtures pulls out his/her black book and starts calling in favours.
3. But everywhere he/she calls is met with the same basic response "look, we'd love to help, but it's January. It's pissing rain here. Nobody has been on our main playing field since November. We wouldn't be able to get the grass cut or pitch lined. Honestly, would love to help, but we just aren't open."
4. Head of Camogie Fixtures bangs head against wall and calls in Head of All Fixtures for help.
5. Head of All Fixtures dials around the county boards, but as expected on a Nationa League weekend, there's a genuine reticence to host a Camogie match on a field that's going to struggle to hold up for. National League game.
6. Head of All Fixtures digs out his/her black book. But everywhere he/she calls is met with the same basic response "look, we'd love to help, but it's January. It's pissing rain here. Nobody has been on our main playing field since November. We wouldn't be able to get the grass cut or pitch lined. Honestly, would love to help, but we just aren't open."
7. Somewhere along the line, having invited a few more people into the wild goose chase, one of the two Fixture Heads stumbles across a venue that will host the match. It's not ideal, not even close. But the match is 2 days away now, and it's not fair on teams or supporters to have a TBC hanging over it while clinging on for a more suitable venue.
——
Honestly I don't see it being any different to now. Most GAA grounds in Ireland are not fit to host competitive action in January.
Absolutely correct, how many pitches in Down are available for games at the minute. I would hazard a guess at 10.
Where/when does genitalia come into the equation as that seems to be the nub of the issue or an implied sticking point in some quarters?
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 28, 2022, 11:14:39 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 28, 2022, 10:52:05 PM
My thought is that there must be an absolute tonne of both time and money being wasted by having 3 different organisations.
Think of it this way - imagine if there was 4 separate GAA organisations - one for football, one for hurling, one for rounders and one for handball.
Imagine how much of a disaster that would be and how much more extra money it would cost.
Not to mention how much time would be wasted on duplication of a whole load of administration stuff.
I can't help but think that commissioning some outside consultancy firm to look into this might be something that would pay for itself very quickly.
You have to remember that when you merge organisations or when you have which is in this case a take-over, Key positions are lost by the organisation being assimilated. Total Power/Control is also lost by the assimilated.
Yeah I very much think this is the case in terms of some of the insiders of the LGFA and the Camogie Association.
A fair few who prefer being big fish in a small pond.
I have heard of some crazy carry on by one higher-up in the Camogie Association in years past by some folk who have had dealings with them.
Quote from: thewobbler on February 28, 2022, 11:09:57 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 28, 2022, 10:52:05 PM
My thought is that there must be an absolute tonne of both time and money being wasted by having 3 different organisations.
Think of it this way - imagine if there was 4 separate GAA organisations - one for football, one for hurling, one for rounders and one for handball.
Imagine how much of a disaster that would be and how much more extra money it would cost.
Not to mention how much time would be wasted on duplication of a whole load of administration stuff.
I can't help but think that commissioning some outside consultancy firm to look into this might be something that would pay for itself very quickly.
I honestly think you have it inside out.
Instead of multiple groups of people with vested interests in their preferred sport putting their time freely into ensuring the delivery of their sports, you believe that one group of people will be able to objectively and equally balance the needs of 4 sports at once, while leaving their personal preferences at the door.
Furthermore the only outcome that will arise from bringing consultants in, is more consultants coming in after them, and more and more again, until there's a 1% of our members getting paid handsomely to "guide" our sports on behalf of players.
@thewobbler finally someone making sense on this topic. One organisation trying to fairly and equally run 4 sports is not possible. All you need to do is look at the splits and in fighting in that occurs in GAA clubs up and down the country between football and hurling. Hurling's (or football's in other areas) progress is often sabotaged by those within the very same club. The female organisations should lobby for guaranteed rights to facilities and equal funding from government but hold onto their independence and ability to run their games as they see fit.
The GAA will end up like the civil service or EU. Trying to do everything but so tied up in bureaucracy and political correctness that every decision alienates some group. Impossible to govern.
Quote from: tiempo on February 28, 2022, 08:41:35 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40817007.html
The most laugh out loud surreal article you could ever wish to read (perfectly in keeping with the subject matter). Wtf
is it with people on this topic!
Can no-one put forward the simple point that the 3 organisations should strongly consider integration without entering into the GAA equivalent of full neo-liberal genetalia obsessed bullshit!
Fully in favour of integration but yeno what, it's OK not integrate either! I have to say Anglea Walsh has been the most rational balanced view I've heard yet, its not f**king rocket science!
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3nAD4yG1YHW6Sen6eLsvLI?si=FgA9_Wu0Rnuar7E6jm1wPA&utm_source=copy-link
You seem to have missed the point of that Examiner article by Gary Brennan. He's trying to get you to put yourself in the shoes of women and look at it from their point of view. There's a clue in the last sentence.
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on March 01, 2022, 06:21:01 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 28, 2022, 11:09:57 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 28, 2022, 10:52:05 PM
My thought is that there must be an absolute tonne of both time and money being wasted by having 3 different organisations.
Think of it this way - imagine if there was 4 separate GAA organisations - one for football, one for hurling, one for rounders and one for handball.
Imagine how much of a disaster that would be and how much more extra money it would cost.
Not to mention how much time would be wasted on duplication of a whole load of administration stuff.
I can't help but think that commissioning some outside consultancy firm to look into this might be something that would pay for itself very quickly.
I honestly think you have it inside out.
Instead of multiple groups of people with vested interests in their preferred sport putting their time freely into ensuring the delivery of their sports, you believe that one group of people will be able to objectively and equally balance the needs of 4 sports at once, while leaving their personal preferences at the door.
Furthermore the only outcome that will arise from bringing consultants in, is more consultants coming in after them, and more and more again, until there's a 1% of our members getting paid handsomely to "guide" our sports on behalf of players.
@thewobbler finally someone making sense on this topic. One organisation trying to fairly and equally run 4 sports is not possible. All you need to do is look at the splits and in fighting in that occurs in GAA clubs up and down the country between football and hurling. Hurling's (or football's in other areas) progress is often sabotaged by those within the very same club. The female organisations should lobby for guaranteed rights to facilities and equal funding from government but hold onto their independence and ability to run their games as they see fit.
The GAA will end up like the civil service or EU. Trying to do everything but so tied up in bureaucracy and political correctness that every decision alienates some group. Impossible to govern.
I have to disagree with you there. The reverse is true where the GAA has been merged with the sister organizations internationally. The USGAA runs all four sports, has been doing so for years, and it's not impossible to govern at all. If anything the meetings run a lot more smoothly thanks to having a better balance of men and women in the room and at the top table. It's a more professional environment.
Granted there are times when it is a bit tiresome hearing certain female delegates play the gender card when their games are inconvenienced, but at least they're in the room to make their voices heard and head off anything unfair before it happens. Women's games are far more likely to be treated with the prominence they deserve when women are in the decision-making process.
My timeline is full of Kelly Mallon crying about expenses and LGFA not getting use of pitches in Kerry. The LGFA is a wealthy organization, It's time they ponied up. I'm getting sick of the abuse directed at the gaa.
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 20, 2022, 12:25:04 PM
My timeline is full of Kelly Mallon crying about expenses and LGFA not getting use of pitches in Kerry. The LGFA is a wealthy organization, It's time they ponied up. I'm getting sick of the abuse directed at the gaa.
Kelly actually wasnt crying about it tho, she was asked a question and answered it. even on the pod cast neither her or the armagh chairwoman are blaming the GAA in any way about their lack of expenses
So with GPA Meyler, the great spokesperson for redress, heading for the US, I was wondering, would he (and others) be passing half their loot to the LGFA or banking the lot?
What's going on? Another smash-and-grab trip to the States to raid the USGAA/NYGAA's potential sources of funds?
Last I heard if you stay quiet you're part of the problem
But I guess that only applies to elite player funding and not grassroots
Seems its OK to paint the silent majority as sexist, backward, intolerant and then swan off for a bag of cash to the good old U S of A
Waaah waaah waaah
https://www.the42.ie/gaa-inter-county-players-expenses-5789492-Jun2022/
Getting bored of this shock to amateur players who train away from where they live end up having to put their hands in their pockets.
... Following a request from The42, the GPA contacted its members to request for players to track their expenses on a weekly basis...
Mens County players off to USA to rake in 5 figure sums for a few weeks social football and holiday, anyone fancy putting a request in to the GPA for 7 lads to divulge the particulars because I'm sure they'd be happy to
If you're not speaking up your part of the problem was the tag line in Feb, funny how "equality" takes a break to facilitate this rampant exploitation
Quote from: tiempo on June 30, 2022, 09:12:42 PM
... Following a request from The42, the GPA contacted its members to request for players to track their expenses on a weekly basis...
Mens County players off to USA to rake in 5 figure sums for a few weeks social football and holiday, anyone fancy putting a request in to the GPA for 7 lads to divulge the particulars because I'm sure they'd be happy to
If you're not speaking up your part of the problem was the tag line in Feb, funny how "equality" takes a break to facilitate this rampant exploitation
Not doing anything wrong are they?
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 30, 2022, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: tiempo on June 30, 2022, 09:12:42 PM
... Following a request from The42, the GPA contacted its members to request for players to track their expenses on a weekly basis...
Mens County players off to USA to rake in 5 figure sums for a few weeks social football and holiday, anyone fancy putting a request in to the GPA for 7 lads to divulge the particulars because I'm sure they'd be happy to
If you're not speaking up your part of the problem was the tag line in Feb, funny how "equality" takes a break to facilitate this rampant exploitation
Not doing anything wrong are they?
By their own holier than thou standards, yes
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 30, 2022, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: tiempo on June 30, 2022, 09:12:42 PM
... Following a request from The42, the GPA contacted its members to request for players to track their expenses on a weekly basis...
Mens County players off to USA to rake in 5 figure sums for a few weeks social football and holiday, anyone fancy putting a request in to the GPA for 7 lads to divulge the particulars because I'm sure they'd be happy to
If you're not speaking up your part of the problem was the tag line in Feb, funny how "equality" takes a break to facilitate this rampant exploitation
Not doing anything wrong are they?
Coming over to earn money without the requisite visas? Yeah, they probably are. The GAA in the states could put that money to much better use.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 30, 2022, 11:24:39 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 30, 2022, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: tiempo on June 30, 2022, 09:12:42 PM
... Following a request from The42, the GPA contacted its members to request for players to track their expenses on a weekly basis...
Mens County players off to USA to rake in 5 figure sums for a few weeks social football and holiday, anyone fancy putting a request in to the GPA for 7 lads to divulge the particulars because I'm sure they'd be happy to
If you're not speaking up your part of the problem was the tag line in Feb, funny how "equality" takes a break to facilitate this rampant exploitation
Not doing anything wrong are they?
Coming over to earn money without the requisite visas? Yeah, they probably are. The GAA in the states could put that money to much better use.
Exactly
I'm sure if the GAA in the States wanted to have this practice stopped they'd have no problem getting a rule through Congress outlawing it ;)
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 30, 2022, 11:24:39 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 30, 2022, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: tiempo on June 30, 2022, 09:12:42 PM
... Following a request from The42, the GPA contacted its members to request for players to track their expenses on a weekly basis...
Mens County players off to USA to rake in 5 figure sums for a few weeks social football and holiday, anyone fancy putting a request in to the GPA for 7 lads to divulge the particulars because I'm sure they'd be happy to
If you're not speaking up your part of the problem was the tag line in Feb, funny how "equality" takes a break to facilitate this rampant exploitation
Not doing anything wrong are they?
Coming over to earn money without the requisite visas? Yeah, they probably are. The GAA in the states could put that money to much better use.
Except it's not the GAA's money. It's a business person's money. And if they wish to spend it on the flavour of Gaelic Games that interests them, then let them at it. If your desire is that they should make donations to a central body who will disperse it evenly among man, woman and child, then they might just look for a different hobby.
Believe it or not, this is not inequality.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 30, 2022, 11:44:41 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 30, 2022, 11:24:39 PM
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... Following a request from The42, the GPA contacted its members to request for players to track their expenses on a weekly basis...
Mens County players off to USA to rake in 5 figure sums for a few weeks social football and holiday, anyone fancy putting a request in to the GPA for 7 lads to divulge the particulars because I'm sure they'd be happy to
If you're not speaking up your part of the problem was the tag line in Feb, funny how "equality" takes a break to facilitate this rampant exploitation
Not doing anything wrong are they?
Coming over to earn money without the requisite visas? Yeah, they probably are. The GAA in the states could put that money to much better use.
Except it's not the GAA's money. It's a business person's money. And if they wish to spend it on the flavour of Gaelic Games that interests them, then let them at it. If your desire is that they should make donations to a central body who will disperse it evenly among man, woman and child, then they might just look for a different hobby.
Believe it or not, this is not inequality.
Crime pays that's for sure
As long as we all agree on the hypocrisy I don't really give a shit who does what
Roll on Spring 2023 when the great and good emerge again for next round of the sanctamonius bullshit/ego boost
Quote from: thewobbler on June 30, 2022, 11:44:41 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 30, 2022, 11:24:39 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 30, 2022, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: tiempo on June 30, 2022, 09:12:42 PM
... Following a request from The42, the GPA contacted its members to request for players to track their expenses on a weekly basis...
Mens County players off to USA to rake in 5 figure sums for a few weeks social football and holiday, anyone fancy putting a request in to the GPA for 7 lads to divulge the particulars because I'm sure they'd be happy to
If you're not speaking up your part of the problem was the tag line in Feb, funny how "equality" takes a break to facilitate this rampant exploitation
Not doing anything wrong are they?
Coming over to earn money without the requisite visas? Yeah, they probably are. The GAA in the states could put that money to much better use.
Except it's not the GAA's money. It's a business person's money. And if they wish to spend it on the flavour of Gaelic Games that interests them, then let them at it. If your desire is that they should make donations to a central body who will disperse it evenly among man, woman and child, then they might just look for a different hobby.
Believe it or not, this is not inequality.
Except it's not the FAI money. It's a business person's money. And if they wish to spend it on the flavour of soccer club that interests them, then let them at it. If your desire is that they should make donations to a central body who will disperse it evenly among man, woman and child, then they might just look for a different hobby.
It's not inequality. But it's professionalism.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2022, 12:15:28 PM
Except it's not the FAI money. It's a business person's money. And if they wish to spend it on the flavour of soccer club that interests them, then let them at it. If your desire is that they should make donations to a central body who will disperse it evenly among man, woman and child, then they might just look for a different hobby.
It's not inequality. But it's professionalism.
Yet in North America the sports have mechanisms like the draft to moderate the effect of big money in the sport.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 01, 2022, 12:31:26 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2022, 12:15:28 PM
Except it's not the FAI money. It's a business person's money. And if they wish to spend it on the flavour of soccer club that interests them, then let them at it. If your desire is that they should make donations to a central body who will disperse it evenly among man, woman and child, then they might just look for a different hobby.
It's not inequality. But it's professionalism.
Yet in North America the sports have mechanisms like the draft to moderate the effect of big money in the sport.
As may be. But the chap literally described professional sport.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 01, 2022, 12:31:26 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2022, 12:15:28 PM
Except it's not the FAI money. It's a business person's money. And if they wish to spend it on the flavour of soccer club that interests them, then let them at it. If your desire is that they should make donations to a central body who will disperse it evenly among man, woman and child, then they might just look for a different hobby.
It's not inequality. But it's professionalism.
Yet in North America the sports have mechanisms like the draft to moderate the effect of big money in the sport.
BB - It is a form of professionalism. Except as there's no guarantees and no contracts involved, it's infinitely casual labour than a career. It's really not a whole pile different to our local contractors bringing on students over the summertime, who just happen to be much better at playing football for the same club, than they are at labouring . Would you begrudge that?
Armaghniac - I'm a massive fan of the "socialist" model of ensuring competition in top tier US sport. But when Nike and Pepsi plough 10s of millions into the NFL, it's not so that the money can be redistributed to other sports, or to the female only version of NFL.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 01, 2022, 02:47:38 PM
BB - It is a form of professionalism. Except as there's no guarantees and no contracts involved, it's infinitely casual labour than a career. It's really not a whole pile different to our local contractors bringing on students over the summertime, who just happen to be much better at playing football for the same club, than they are at labouring . Would you begrudge that?
Armaghniac - I'm a massive fan of the "socialist" model of ensuring competition in top tier US sport. But when Nike and Pepsi plough 10s of millions into the NFL, it's not so that the money can be redistributed to other sports, or to the female only version of NFL.
I know little enough about the GAA in America, but some draft type rule to stop several itinerant players landing in the same team might make the competitions there a bit more realistic.
As for the LGFA, I would ask people making points about expenses how much revenue they have contributed to that organisation to allow expenses be paid.
the biggest fear for Most female team sport is that thy are living way beyond their means ,
they are starting to have backroom teams and facilities similar In size to men's with little or no income other than through grants or at the grace and favor of the men's version of the games
in GAA in particular with a 32 county model this is not sustainable.
there is already an out of control backroom team system which many counties are struggling to pay for and now its being replicated twice over in Gaelic games.
then there are facilities as the Ladies game grow the pressure intensifies on clubhouses pitches etc. how many pitches have the camogs or the LGFA created.
Great work has been done in offaly with 2 new sites one for Tullamore and one for county teams
but i dont see many following.
these are 1st world growing pains but i think they are best solved by 1st the amalgamation of Camogie and ladies football to pressurize the dept. of sport to see if they are really serious about Female sport .
if 490 million can be found for soccerball because of dodgy accounting sure that much and ore could be put to positive use.
they have a much better chance of looking for seperate grant money on their own merits than on the coat tails of the mens game
Why can't the lgfa pay expenses? What do they do with all the money?
What money?
Apart from their AI Final Sunday most of their games are virtually spectatorless.
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 01, 2022, 04:39:14 PM
Why can't the lgfa pay expenses? What do they do with all the money?
What money?
I would doubt the average LGFA county side has the revenues of a medium sized GAA club.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 01, 2022, 05:31:24 PM
What money?
Apart from their AI Final Sunday most of their games are virtually spectatorless.
And I doubt RTE are paying big bucks to show the games.
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Quote from: armaghniac on July 01, 2022, 12:31:26 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2022, 12:15:28 PM
Except it's not the FAI money. It's a business person's money. And if they wish to spend it on the flavour of soccer club that interests them, then let them at it. If your desire is that they should make donations to a central body who will disperse it evenly among man, woman and child, then they might just look for a different hobby.
It's not inequality. But it's professionalism.
Yet in North America the sports have mechanisms like the draft to moderate the effect of big money in the sport.
BB - It is a form of professionalism. Except as there's no guarantees and no contracts involved, it's infinitely casual labour than a career. It's really not a whole pile different to our local contractors bringing on students over the summertime, who just happen to be much better at playing football for the same club, than they are at labouring . Would you begrudge that?
Armaghniac - I'm a massive fan of the "socialist" model of ensuring competition in top tier US sport. But when Nike and Pepsi plough 10s of millions into the NFL, it's not so that the money can be redistributed to other sports, or to the female only version of NFL.
Begrudge? Not hugely. If you can cover a summer in Boston kicking a ball at Junior z level good luck to you.
But it's pay for play. Lets have a discussion about semi professionalism if you want, but it's another bit of wink nudge that we could do without. The GAA is either amateur or it's not. Goverment grants and expenses muddy that to a degree that it's effectively gone as a policy. Other than university scholarships nobody on the playing or coaching side should recieve a bean.
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Quote from: thewobbler on July 01, 2022, 02:47:38 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 01, 2022, 12:31:26 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2022, 12:15:28 PM
Except it's not the FAI money. It's a business person's money. And if they wish to spend it on the flavour of soccer club that interests them, then let them at it. If your desire is that they should make donations to a central body who will disperse it evenly among man, woman and child, then they might just look for a different hobby.
It's not inequality. But it's professionalism.
Yet in North America the sports have mechanisms like the draft to moderate the effect of big money in the sport.
BB - It is a form of professionalism. Except as there's no guarantees and no contracts involved, it's infinitely casual labour than a career. It's really not a whole pile different to our local contractors bringing on students over the summertime, who just happen to be much better at playing football for the same club, than they are at labouring . Would you begrudge that?
Armaghniac - I'm a massive fan of the "socialist" model of ensuring competition in top tier US sport. But when Nike and Pepsi plough 10s of millions into the NFL, it's not so that the money can be redistributed to other sports, or to the female only version of NFL.
Begrudge? Not hugely. If you can cover a summer in Boston kicking a ball at Junior z level good luck to you.
But it's pay for play. Lets have a discussion about semi professionalism if you want, but it's another bit of wink nudge that we could do without. The GAA is either amateur or it's not. Goverment grants and expenses muddy that to a degree that it's effectively gone as a policy. Other than university scholarships nobody on the playing or coaching side should recieve a bean.
They're not receiving it from the GAA. Moan about paid managers all you like (and I'd agree with you) but a wealthy man sponsoring a lad's summer in turn for him playing for his club is not pay for play. Amateur golf has the same distinction.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 01, 2022, 11:35:01 PM
Interested to know how you don't consider it pay for play.
A rich dynasty in Saudi Arabia paying your wages rather than the FA doesn't mean that professional soccer players aren't getting paid to play.
Would you consider casual labour and a career to be the same thing?
I don't.
It's not pay for play any more than a club sponsor in Ireland hooking a student clubmate up with a cushy job for the summer. It's really not.
Total hypocrisy having an "amateur ethos" and allowing this semi professional circus every Summer.
GA
The GPA need their wings clipped, they want to eat their cake and still have their cake. Gravy train socialists, pull the funding.
Have going to the states requires a full transfer.
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2022, 09:34:01 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 01, 2022, 02:47:38 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 01, 2022, 12:31:26 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2022, 12:15:28 PM
Except it's not the FAI money. It's a business person's money. And if they wish to spend it on the flavour of soccer club that interests them, then let them at it. If your desire is that they should make donations to a central body who will disperse it evenly among man, woman and child, then they might just look for a different hobby.
It's not inequality. But it's professionalism.
Yet in North America the sports have mechanisms like the draft to moderate the effect of big money in the sport.
BB - It is a form of professionalism. Except as there's no guarantees and no contracts involved, it's infinitely casual labour than a career. It's really not a whole pile different to our local contractors bringing on students over the summertime, who just happen to be much better at playing football for the same club, than they are at labouring . Would you begrudge that?
Armaghniac - I'm a massive fan of the "socialist" model of ensuring competition in top tier US sport. But when Nike and Pepsi plough 10s of millions into the NFL, it's not so that the money can be redistributed to other sports, or to the female only version of NFL.
Begrudge? Not hugely. If you can cover a summer in Boston kicking a ball at Junior z level good luck to you.
But it's pay for play. Lets have a discussion about semi professionalism if you want, but it's another bit of wink nudge that we could do without. The GAA is either amateur or it's not. Goverment grants and expenses muddy that to a degree that it's effectively gone as a policy. Other than university scholarships nobody on the playing or coaching side should recieve a bean.
They're not receiving it from the GAA. Moan about paid managers all you like (and I'd agree with you) but a wealthy man sponsoring a lad's summer in turn for him playing for his club is not pay for play. Amateur golf has the same distinction.
The Man United player doesn't get paid by the FA. So what?
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Quote from: thewobbler on July 01, 2022, 10:59:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2022, 09:34:01 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 01, 2022, 02:47:38 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 01, 2022, 12:31:26 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2022, 12:15:28 PM
Except it's not the FAI money. It's a business person's money. And if they wish to spend it on the flavour of soccer club that interests them, then let them at it. If your desire is that they should make donations to a central body who will disperse it evenly among man, woman and child, then they might just look for a different hobby.
It's not inequality. But it's professionalism.
Yet in North America the sports have mechanisms like the draft to moderate the effect of big money in the sport.
BB - It is a form of professionalism. Except as there's no guarantees and no contracts involved, it's infinitely casual labour than a career. It's really not a whole pile different to our local contractors bringing on students over the summertime, who just happen to be much better at playing football for the same club, than they are at labouring . Would you begrudge that?
Armaghniac - I'm a massive fan of the "socialist" model of ensuring competition in top tier US sport. But when Nike and Pepsi plough 10s of millions into the NFL, it's not so that the money can be redistributed to other sports, or to the female only version of NFL.
Begrudge? Not hugely. If you can cover a summer in Boston kicking a ball at Junior z level good luck to you.
But it's pay for play. Lets have a discussion about semi professionalism if you want, but it's another bit of wink nudge that we could do without. The GAA is either amateur or it's not. Goverment grants and expenses muddy that to a degree that it's effectively gone as a policy. Other than university scholarships nobody on the playing or coaching side should recieve a bean.
They're not receiving it from the GAA. Moan about paid managers all you like (and I'd agree with you) but a wealthy man sponsoring a lad's summer in turn for him playing for his club is not pay for play. Amateur golf has the same distinction.
The Man United player doesn't get paid by the FA. So what?
They get paid by an affiliated club tho. Now a random fan with too much money. And they are employees with the affiliated club. There's a huge difference. And I say that as someone like to see this exodus every year.
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Quote from: thewobbler on July 01, 2022, 02:47:38 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 01, 2022, 12:31:26 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2022, 12:15:28 PM
Except it's not the FAI money. It's a business person's money. And if they wish to spend it on the flavour of soccer club that interests them, then let them at it. If your desire is that they should make donations to a central body who will disperse it evenly among man, woman and child, then they might just look for a different hobby.
It's not inequality. But it's professionalism.
Yet in North America the sports have mechanisms like the draft to moderate the effect of big money in the sport.
BB - It is a form of professionalism. Except as there's no guarantees and no contracts involved, it's infinitely casual labour than a career. It's really not a whole pile different to our local contractors bringing on students over the summertime, who just happen to be much better at playing football for the same club, than they are at labouring . Would you begrudge that?
Armaghniac - I'm a massive fan of the "socialist" model of ensuring competition in top tier US sport. But when Nike and Pepsi plough 10s of millions into the NFL, it's not so that the money can be redistributed to other sports, or to the female only version of NFL.
Begrudge? Not hugely. If you can cover a summer in Boston kicking a ball at Junior z level good luck to you.
But it's pay for play. Lets have a discussion about semi professionalism if you want, but it's another bit of wink nudge that we could do without. The GAA is either amateur or it's not. Goverment grants and expenses muddy that to a degree that it's effectively gone as a policy. Other than university scholarships nobody on the playing or coaching side should recieve a bean.
They're not receiving it from the GAA. Moan about paid managers all you like (and I'd agree with you) but a wealthy man sponsoring a lad's summer in turn for him playing for his club is not pay for play. Amateur golf has the same distinction.
The Man United player doesn't get paid by the FA. So what?
They get paid by an affiliated club tho. Now a random fan with too much money. And they are employees with the affiliated club. There's a huge difference. And I say that as someone like to see this exodus every year.
Because soccer expressly forbids it. Look at the hullabaloo over Rooney covering Derby players wages. A likely points deduction.
As I said, this wing and nudge shite around the margins helps nobody
I know it's sometimes hard to believe in a world now polarised by social media, but there are actually thousands of shades of grey between black and white.
This one isn't black or white.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 02, 2022, 04:38:36 PM
I know it's sometimes hard to believe in a world now polarised by social media, but there are actually thousands of shades of grey between black and white.
This one isn't black or white.
Intellectual flexibility was required once grants were brought in. It's not professionalism if someone else pays players.
You can call that grey if you want. I'll stick with dishonest.
i can never understand the weekend player in New york as to who gains. i get the county player going over for the championship and be hauled around for showing off or getting business or what ever but what in it for anyone but the player for a weekend warrior.
is it betting on the matches or is it really done for Pride.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 05, 2022, 03:15:03 PM
i can never understand the weekend player in New york as to who gains. i get the county player going over for the championship and be hauled around for showing off or getting business or what ever but what in it for anyone but the player for a weekend warrior.
is it betting on the matches or is it really done for Pride.
Be honest. Do you know who won the US championship? I didn't and took a fair while on google to find out.
Quote from: pbat on July 02, 2022, 10:05:34 AM
Have going to the states requires a full transfer.
If you're going for 90 days you need a J1 student visa and a sanction from your club in Ireland.
For New York, I don't know if they still do weekend players but I believe a sanction is needed for them too.
If you're going permanently you need an intercounty transfer.
If you've never played before then I don't think you need anything.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40913051.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40913051.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
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They need to grow a pair.
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They need to grow a pair.
Not as much as they need to grow an income stream.
Don't worry, The GPA The42 will have something out disparaging towards GAA HQ and soon enough
The money is not there. This cost is a big issue for the GAA too, even though they can currently afford it. The main problem is we have normalised a situation where young people are driving insane mileage in order to keep up their hobby.
Quote from: shark on July 08, 2022, 11:23:37 AM
The money is not there. This cost is a big issue for the GAA too, even though they can currently afford it. The main problem is we have normalised a situation where young people are driving insane mileage in order to keep up their hobby.
100%
Quote from: shark on July 08, 2022, 11:23:37 AM
The money is not there. This cost is a big issue for the GAA too, even though they can currently afford it. The main problem is we have normalised a situation where young people are driving insane mileage in order to keep up their hobby.
That's it in a nutshell.
If 1000-odd amateur cyclists created a union and demanded they get travel expenses somehow from somewhere, to enable them to train dozens/hundreds of miles from home, they'd get laughed at. LGFA and camogie players need to bear this in mind.
Meanwhile 2,000 or so amateur footballers and hurlers get expenses to travel loads of Kms from where they're based to train for their amateur sport.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 08, 2022, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: shark on July 08, 2022, 11:23:37 AM
The money is not there. This cost is a big issue for the GAA too, even though they can currently afford it. The main problem is we have normalised a situation where young people are driving insane mileage in order to keep up their hobby.
That's it in a nutshell.
If 1000-odd amateur cyclists created a union and demanded they get travel expenses somehow from somewhere, to enable them to train dozens/hundreds of miles from home, they'd get laughed at. LGFA and camogie players need to bear this in mind.
Do the LGFA not have 15million in the bank or something like that
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They need to grow a pair.
Not as much as they need to grow an income stream.
They want equal status as the men but their sport is not popular enough or never will be to get the same income streams as the men. Anyone spending over €1k a month on travelling expenses and not getting reimbursed needs there head examined IMO as there are no medals for seen who can be out off pocket the most.
What's going to happen when/if they come under the GAA umbrella are they going to expect the same expenses while putting very little in the pot?
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They need to grow a pair.
Not as much as they need to grow an income stream.
They want equal status as the men but their sport is not popular enough or never will be to get the same income streams as the men. Anyone spending over €1k a month on travelling expenses and not getting reimbursed needs there head examined IMO as there are no medals for seen who can be out off pocket the most.
What's going to happen when/if they come under the GAA umbrella are they going to expect the same expenses while putting very little in the pot?
If they were part of the GAA then they would have to get the same. I suspect HQs push back on the GPA regarding travel expenses may have this in mind. If not, then they should be thinking about it.
There are other aspects to consider outside of cost. The time spent on the road is time that these young people will never get back. It might seem worth it right now, but I'm not sure many of them will feel the same way by the time they finish playing.
Then there is the environmental cost of players driving such mileage in order to train collectively. I'm not expert in the climate agenda - and I can't say I do much personally to reduce my own impact. But it is getting harder to ignore.
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They need to grow a pair.
Not as much as they need to grow an income stream.
They want equal status as the men but their sport is not popular enough or never will be to get the same income streams as the men. Anyone spending over €1k a month on travelling expenses and not getting reimbursed needs there head examined IMO as there are no medals for seen who can be out off pocket the most.
What's going to happen when/if they come under the GAA umbrella are they going to expect the same expenses while putting very little in the pot?
If they were part of the GAA then they would have to get the same. I suspect HQs push back on the GPA regarding travel expenses may have this in mind. If not, then they should be thinking about it.
There are other aspects to consider outside of cost. The time spent on the road is time that these young people will never get back. It might seem worth it right now, but I'm not sure many of them will feel the same way by the time they finish playing.
Then there is the environmental cost of players driving such mileage in order to train collectively. I'm not expert in the climate agenda - and I can't say I do much personally to reduce my own impact. But it is getting harder to ignore.
1) 100%
2) Put that in your pipe and smoke it GPA Tom/GPA Meyler - we need to consider the mental health of the trees, squirrels, etc. anyone not speaking out is part of the problem, naturally
Quote from: Cavan19 on July 08, 2022, 01:30:21 PM.
What's going to happen when/if they come under the GAA umbrella are they going to expect the same expenses while putting very little in the pot?
One would assume so. Tbe Carlow hurlers get the same expenses as the Dublin footballers
LGFA quarter finals today. You have to wonder if they offset their season a bit more then they might get more attention for their games and so more funding eventually. There is a whole August/September slot there.
To have Galway ladies playing at the same time as the men is madness, surely two quarters early today and two early tomorrow(12.00 and 14.00).
Mary McAleese to chair the committee to integrate the 3 associations.
Conor Meyler and Katie Liston on what needs to be taken into account
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtaszIXHFPk&t=3870s
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0607/1387802-meyler-recommends-five-pillars-for-gaelic-games-merger/
LGFA & Camogie players to play 'under protest' over lack of support | Full press conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e-P7PVeHfQ
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/19/camogie-and-ladies-football-panels-unite-against-being-treated-as-second-class-citizens/
Intercounty camogie and football panels will play out the remainder of their 2023 Championship campaigns under protest.
The development follows the release of the State of Play Report in April which called for, among other things, governing bodies to develop a charter designed for female players to be implemented in the 2024 season.
In a statement released this morning and signed off by the "senior intercounty ladies football and camogie panels", it was claimed that, "Despite initial positive indications, the GAA has since declined our proposal. The Camogie Association, however, did request a presentation to be made to their Ard Chomhairle, which took place last week. Regrettably, the LGFA has not deemed it appropriate to respond.
"Their primary rationale is that they prefer to complete the integration process before initiating a charter for female players. Despite the evidence presented, they expect us to patiently endure the treatment of second-class citizens."
These organisations do not have the funds to provide the same resources to players and the GAA will be reluctant to merge on the basis that this will then see funds redirected, it would be a bit like Irish unity. However, the ladies' associations should have helped themselves by making their season a bit different from the compressed GAA season, if they had games in September then TV would cover them, the media would mention them and more people would go to them.
Armagh ladies had a good win at the weekend but few noticed, in August they might get more attention.
Gaelic football is a hobby; expecting to be reimbursed for a hobby is absurd, especially for Ladies' football, which has NO money. Better to reimburse the volunteers on LGFA county boards, a truly thankless task
Quote from: armaghniac on June 19, 2023, 06:14:41 PM
These organisations do not have the funds to provide the same resources to players and the GAA will be reluctant to merge on the basis that this will then see funds redirected, it would be a bit like Irish unity. However, the ladies' associations should have helped themselves by making their season a bit different from the compressed GAA season, if they had games in September then TV would cover them, the media would mention them and more people would go to them.
Armagh ladies had a good win at the weekend but few noticed, in August they might get more attention.
They are merging and it wouldn't be hard to organise sponsorship to meet the demands of the players until the merger is consummated.
They deserve mileage expenses and gear and whatever medical costs are not insured.
How much would the take be at Croke Park from a 30K attendance for a camogie final on a marginal use basis ?
There are loads of ways to fund them.
It drives me mad that people who choose to take their hobby seriously, expect other people to fund their commitment levels.
Already piggybacking for free on the facilities provided by male sport, they have some neck to expect money too. The lack of self awareness is extraordinary.
You can't spend what isn't been generated. Smells of the GPA who have no row to pick with the GAA as there isn't any issues at inter county level forcing this as their new pet project.
Administration at LGFA level has been poor in the past at national and county level but there seems to be a want on a lot of county squads without them actually realising what's involved and what they have at their disposal.
Would cutting the mens mileage rate per KM say by a quarter or a third and then allowing ladies to claim the same rate work? That way both sets of intercounty players would be able to get mileage and might be more affordable for the GAA?
Quote from: cup1000 on June 19, 2023, 11:26:34 PM
Would cutting the mens mileage rate per KM say by a quarter or a third and then allowing ladies to claim the same rate work? That way both sets of intercounty players would be able to get mileage and might be more affordable for the GAA?
You're a Tory aren't you.
Better to have the peasants blame each other for their poverty , than ask the rich to share a little.
Quote from: cup1000 on June 19, 2023, 11:26:34 PM
Would cutting the mens mileage rate per KM say by a quarter or a third and then allowing ladies to claim the same rate work? That way both sets of intercounty players would be able to get mileage and might be more affordable for the GAA?
Are you asking the men to lose out on money, even though they generate the lions share of the revenue?
Quote from: Taylor on June 20, 2023, 08:20:10 AM
Quote from: cup1000 on June 19, 2023, 11:26:34 PM
Would cutting the mens mileage rate per KM say by a quarter or a third and then allowing ladies to claim the same rate work? That way both sets of intercounty players would be able to get mileage and might be more affordable for the GAA?
Are you asking the men to lose out on money, even though they generate the lions share of the revenue?
And on cue!
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 20, 2023, 07:55:58 AM
Quote from: cup1000 on June 19, 2023, 11:26:34 PM
Would cutting the mens mileage rate per KM say by a quarter or a third and then allowing ladies to claim the same rate work? That way both sets of intercounty players would be able to get mileage and might be more affordable for the GAA?
You're a Tory aren't you.
Better to have the peasants blame each other for their poverty , than ask the rich to share a little.
I was making an honest suggestion, no need for the name-calling like, very childish.
There's been multiple posts here saying the GAA can't afford it, i just thought my suggestion above might be a possible solution.
Quote from: Taylor on June 20, 2023, 08:20:10 AM
Quote from: cup1000 on June 19, 2023, 11:26:34 PM
Would cutting the mens mileage rate per KM say by a quarter or a third and then allowing ladies to claim the same rate work? That way both sets of intercounty players would be able to get mileage and might be more affordable for the GAA?
Are you asking the men to lose out on money, even though they generate the lions share of the revenue?
If it mean's achieving the equality demanded for by their reps in the GPA (and presuming, as has been suggested here, that the GAA couldn't afford to pay out the current mileage rate amounts to ladies as they do men's), then yes. Regarding the generation of revenue, the GAA already funds loads of stuff that doesn't (at least that I know of) make much money for them e.g. scor, handball, rounders, health and wellbeing initiatives, irish language initiatives etc
The GAA both should and does financially support a plethora of lesser-known functions.
But here's the numbers we are dealing with:
A squad of 40 players travelling an average of 25 miles / 40kms each way to training would bring in a mileage bill of circa €1k per night. Feed all those players and it's at least another €2k.
Extrapolate that €3k per night across 32 counties and 2 codes, and we are pretty much looking at finding €200k a night for expenses if committed to "complete equality" for camogie and LGFA . Or the best part of €10m a year.
Tally it all up and it's running close to a financial commitment 8 figures of expenses per annum.
This is not why the Association was created. The GaA was not created so people could demand payment.. Bad enough as it is happening in the men's game, at least they generate an income to cover the outgoing. But ladies? No. Not even remotely close.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 20, 2023, 10:32:05 AM
The GAA both should and does financially support a plethora of lesser-known functions.
But here's the numbers we are dealing with:
A squad of 40 players travelling an average of 25 miles / 40kms each way to training would bring in a mileage bill of circa €1k per night. Feed all those players and it's at least another €2k.
Extrapolate that €3k per night across 32 counties and 2 codes, and we are pretty much looking at finding €200k a night for expenses if committed to "complete equality" for camogie and LGFA . Or the best part of €10m a year.
Tally it all up and it's running close to a financial commitment 8 figures of expenses per annum.
This is not why the Association was created. The GaA was not created so people could demand payment.. Bad enough as it is happening in the men's game, at least they generate an income to cover the outgoing. But ladies? No. Not even remotely close.
The ladies should be living within their means and if the money isn't there for all they want they need to cut back on panel numbers and training sessions etc. Some of them see the men doing and getting x,y & z and they want the same. The ladies game will never have the same profile as the mens games or generate enough income to cover all they want. As i seen somewhere before its the general ladies population of the country who are letting down the Ladies game by not supporting it.
Quote from: cup1000 on June 20, 2023, 09:24:45 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 20, 2023, 07:55:58 AM
Quote from: cup1000 on June 19, 2023, 11:26:34 PM
Would cutting the mens mileage rate per KM say by a quarter or a third and then allowing ladies to claim the same rate work? That way both sets of intercounty players would be able to get mileage and might be more affordable for the GAA?
You're a Tory aren't you.
Better to have the peasants blame each other for their poverty , than ask the rich to share a little.
I was making an honest suggestion, no need for the name-calling like, very childish.
There's been multiple posts here saying the GAA can't afford it, i just thought my suggestion above might be a possible solution.
That was obviously a tongue in cheek remark.
You really shouldn't be taking offence at that.
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2023, 06:00:39 PM
LGFA & Camogie players to play 'under protest' over lack of support | Full press conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e-P7PVeHfQ
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/19/camogie-and-ladies-football-panels-unite-against-being-treated-as-second-class-citizens/
Intercounty camogie and football panels will play out the remainder of their 2023 Championship campaigns under protest.
The development follows the release of the State of Play Report in April which called for, among other things, governing bodies to develop a charter designed for female players to be implemented in the 2024 season.
In a statement released this morning and signed off by the "senior intercounty ladies football and camogie panels", it was claimed that, "Despite initial positive indications, the GAA has since declined our proposal. The Camogie Association, however, did request a presentation to be made to their Ard Chomhairle, which took place last week. Regrettably, the LGFA has not deemed it appropriate to respond.
"Their primary rationale is that they prefer to complete the integration process before initiating a charter for female players. Despite the evidence presented, they expect us to patiently endure the treatment of second-class citizens."
At this point in time the GAA has no input into how Ladies footballers and Camogs are treated, that's purely down to their respective associations.
Tom Parsons is wrong to suggest otherwise and if anything could undermine attempts to align all organisations under the one umbrella.
This is not a men v women issue and to portray it as such is unfair. This is about being a better association for all. Expenses allow all players to achieve their potential instead of just those who can afford it. Lets be better than just say "oh nobody watches Ladies GAA or Camogie". It's not a professional sport and therefore the revenue generated is irrelevant. Keep that argument for soccer or another sport that is ruled by money. Our ethos is community, volunteerism, respect, inclusiveness.
Women and Girls have enriched our local club so much, from on pitch success to fundraisers and lots in between. I remember when I first played we'd no ladies teams at all. It was a cold house for women and now our committee has women at all levels and that has made us a far, far better club.
And as a Father of a young girl the values of the GAA are exactly the values that I want to her to have. So I wouldn't want her to grow up and be part of an association and were Men, who call themselves GAA men, reject inclusiveness and respect.
So lets try and do better. Here's a wee refresher for everyone... https://www.gaa.ie/the-gaa/administration/ (https://www.gaa.ie/the-gaa/administration/)
There's a wonderful conundrum in your line about it not being a professional sport Trailer.
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Tell me something. Just how much of a hike in men's football ticket prices would you be willing to stomach, to allow the female sports to enjoy the same levels of expenses?
For example, would you be okay with £30 for a league game?
And at what point would you start objecting to directly paying for people in another sport to play their hobbies? Is there one.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 20, 2023, 01:33:30 PM
There's a wonderful conundrum in your line about it not being a professional sport Trailer.
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Tell me something. Just how much of a hike in men's football ticket prices would you be willing to stomach, to allow the female sports to enjoy the same levels of expenses?
For example, would you be okay with £30 for a league game?
And at what point would you start objecting to directly paying for people in another sport to play their hobbies? Is there one.
That is very true. And I don't have all the answers but I don't see this a Men v Women fight. Why should it all be laboured on ticket prices? Women and girls bring so much to our association much of it unseen so to make a simple monetary argument is unfair. Their contribution is more than pounds or euros. We're a community organisation. So it is not that simple.
The same argument exists when it comes to government budgets. I am not a huge fan of the arts. Should funding be cut to support, sport, or health or education? Teachers definitely shouldn't be paid in the summer months!
We can do better.
Quote from: trailer on June 20, 2023, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 20, 2023, 01:33:30 PM
There's a wonderful conundrum in your line about it not being a professional sport Trailer.
——
Tell me something. Just how much of a hike in men's football ticket prices would you be willing to stomach, to allow the female sports to enjoy the same levels of expenses?
For example, would you be okay with £30 for a league game?
And at what point would you start objecting to directly paying for people in another sport to play their hobbies? Is there one.
That is very true. And I don't have all the answers but I don't see this a Men v Women fight. Why should it all be laboured on ticket prices? Women and girls bring so much to our association much of it unseen so to make a simple monetary argument is unfair. Their contribution is more than pounds or euros. We're a community organisation. So it is not that simple.
The same argument exists when it comes to government budgets. I am not a huge fan of the arts. Should funding be cut to support, sport, or health or education? Teachers definitely shouldn't be paid in the summer months!
We can do better.
While is disagree with your main point I am settling down with popcorn to see the fallout from the bit in bold
Quote from: trailer on June 20, 2023, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 20, 2023, 01:33:30 PM
There's a wonderful conundrum in your line about it not being a professional sport Trailer.
——
Tell me something. Just how much of a hike in men's football ticket prices would you be willing to stomach, to allow the female sports to enjoy the same levels of expenses?
For example, would you be okay with £30 for a league game?
And at what point would you start objecting to directly paying for people in another sport to play their hobbies? Is there one.
That is very true. And I don't have all the answers but I don't see this a Men v Women fight. Why should it all be laboured on ticket prices? Women and girls bring so much to our association much of it unseen so to make a simple monetary argument is unfair. Their contribution is more than pounds or euros. We're a community organisation. So it is not that simple.
The same argument exists when it comes to government budgets. I am not a huge fan of the arts. Should funding be cut to support, sport, or health or education? Teachers definitely shouldn't be paid in the summer months!
We can do better.
That is brillant line on the teachers, be some recruitment drive off the back of that.
Regards the funding for ladies game, like Everything it needs to be self sustained.
Do you attend the county ladies games or support them in any way? Help promote them and drive an audience to them?
This is the biggest issue they face. Any losing their best players to Australia doesn't help this. It creates a narrative that it's where the good players are or what the sport is for.
The LGFA, like the GAA, are very poor on self promotion. Trying to find fixtures and results for the LGFA games at club and county is hard work at times.
Such a bit of fannying about (pardon the pun)
Quote from: Louther on June 20, 2023, 03:04:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 20, 2023, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 20, 2023, 01:33:30 PM
There's a wonderful conundrum in your line about it not being a professional sport Trailer.
——
Tell me something. Just how much of a hike in men's football ticket prices would you be willing to stomach, to allow the female sports to enjoy the same levels of expenses?
For example, would you be okay with £30 for a league game?
And at what point would you start objecting to directly paying for people in another sport to play their hobbies? Is there one.
That is very true. And I don't have all the answers but I don't see this a Men v Women fight. Why should it all be laboured on ticket prices? Women and girls bring so much to our association much of it unseen so to make a simple monetary argument is unfair. Their contribution is more than pounds or euros. We're a community organisation. So it is not that simple.
The same argument exists when it comes to government budgets. I am not a huge fan of the arts. Should funding be cut to support, sport, or health or education? Teachers definitely shouldn't be paid in the summer months!
We can do better.
That is brillant line on the teachers, be some recruitment drive off the back of that.
Regards the funding for ladies game, like Everything it needs to be self sustained.
Do you attend the county ladies games or support them in any way? Help promote them and drive an audience to them?
This is the biggest issue they face. Any losing their best players to Australia doesn't help this. It creates a narrative that it's where the good players are or what the sport is for.
The LGFA, like the GAA, are very poor on self promotion. Trying to find fixtures and results for the LGFA games at club and county is hard work at times.
3:30 now so expecting them to pile in now....
Look on a serious note if it all comes down to basic economics then lets close down all aspects of the GAA that isn't self sufficient. Why just focus on the girls? Lets start with Division 4. Nobody watches that shite. Hurling below Liam McCarthy level.. forget about it. Small clubs.. lets close them. We're in the ruthless profit business. I don't care what it brings to the association. Everyone must pay their way. Handball, Scor all a burden on our great, all-conquering Men's County games.
Armagh also under review after their ludicrous attempts to get Croke Park opened at the weekend only for less that 6000 to turn up.
Quote from: trailer on June 20, 2023, 03:40:34 PM
Quote from: Louther on June 20, 2023, 03:04:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 20, 2023, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 20, 2023, 01:33:30 PM
There's a wonderful conundrum in your line about it not being a professional sport Trailer.
——
Tell me something. Just how much of a hike in men's football ticket prices would you be willing to stomach, to allow the female sports to enjoy the same levels of expenses?
For example, would you be okay with £30 for a league game?
And at what point would you start objecting to directly paying for people in another sport to play their hobbies? Is there one.
That is very true. And I don't have all the answers but I don't see this a Men v Women fight. Why should it all be laboured on ticket prices? Women and girls bring so much to our association much of it unseen so to make a simple monetary argument is unfair. Their contribution is more than pounds or euros. We're a community organisation. So it is not that simple.
The same argument exists when it comes to government budgets. I am not a huge fan of the arts. Should funding be cut to support, sport, or health or education? Teachers definitely shouldn't be paid in the summer months!
We can do better.
That is brillant line on the teachers, be some recruitment drive off the back of that.
Regards the funding for ladies game, like Everything it needs to be self sustained.
Do you attend the county ladies games or support them in any way? Help promote them and drive an audience to them?
This is the biggest issue they face. Any losing their best players to Australia doesn't help this. It creates a narrative that it's where the good players are or what the sport is for.
The LGFA, like the GAA, are very poor on self promotion. Trying to find fixtures and results for the LGFA games at club and county is hard work at times.
3:30 now so expecting them to pile in now....
Look on a serious note if it all comes down to basic economics then lets close down all aspects of the GAA that isn't self sufficient. Why just focus on the girls? Lets start with Division 4. Nobody watches that shite. Hurling below Liam McCarthy level.. forget about it. Small clubs.. lets close them. We're in the ruthless profit business. I don't care what it brings to the association. Everyone must pay their way. Handball, Scor all a burden on our great, all-conquering Men's County games.
Armagh also under review after their ludicrous attempts to get Croke Park opened at the weekend only for less that 6000 to turn up.
They have their own organisation whats wrong with them operating within their means?
There is no need for them to be running their championship at the moment when they are competing against the mens competition for crowds and exposure. If they held off a few weeks it would be a lot more beneficial for them. They also have two many games in their championship with groups games where a straight knockout would suit them better and save money.
Cavan ladies went on strike earlier in the year due to expenses not been paid and lack of gear and they didn't have a pot to piss into and the Cavan LGFA wouldn't let them fund
raise to generate the money.
Quote from: trailer on June 20, 2023, 03:40:34 PM
Quote from: Louther on June 20, 2023, 03:04:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 20, 2023, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 20, 2023, 01:33:30 PM
There's a wonderful conundrum in your line about it not being a professional sport Trailer.
——
Tell me something. Just how much of a hike in men's football ticket prices would you be willing to stomach, to allow the female sports to enjoy the same levels of expenses?
For example, would you be okay with £30 for a league game?
And at what point would you start objecting to directly paying for people in another sport to play their hobbies? Is there one.
That is very true. And I don't have all the answers but I don't see this a Men v Women fight. Why should it all be laboured on ticket prices? Women and girls bring so much to our association much of it unseen so to make a simple monetary argument is unfair. Their contribution is more than pounds or euros. We're a community organisation. So it is not that simple.
The same argument exists when it comes to government budgets. I am not a huge fan of the arts. Should funding be cut to support, sport, or health or education? Teachers definitely shouldn't be paid in the summer months!
We can do better.
That is brillant line on the teachers, be some recruitment drive off the back of that.
Regards the funding for ladies game, like Everything it needs to be self sustained.
Do you attend the county ladies games or support them in any way? Help promote them and drive an audience to them?
This is the biggest issue they face. Any losing their best players to Australia doesn't help this. It creates a narrative that it's where the good players are or what the sport is for.
The LGFA, like the GAA, are very poor on self promotion. Trying to find fixtures and results for the LGFA games at club and county is hard work at times.
3:30 now so expecting them to pile in now....
Look on a serious note if it all comes down to basic economics then lets close down all aspects of the GAA that isn't self sufficient. Why just focus on the girls? Lets start with Division 4. Nobody watches that shite. Hurling below Liam McCarthy level.. forget about it. Small clubs.. lets close them. We're in the ruthless profit business. I don't care what it brings to the association. Everyone must pay their way. Handball, Scor all a burden on our great, all-conquering Men's County games.
Armagh also under review after their ludicrous attempts to get Croke Park opened at the weekend only for less that 6000 to turn up.
We looking at the whole of the LGFA as a body. Like any volunteer organisation there will be parts that work and take in the funds and others that don't. Everyone knows the last 5/6 games of the all Ireland series (football/hurling) and their commercial activities fund the rest of activities. But the money they're from this and it's sustainable.
The LGFA for obvious reasons don't have this level of income to sustain what is been looked for. Lot of counties have been resourceful and have managed to look after their players. I note not every county was in picture.
Bit like the time the Intercounty players/GPA threatened strike. Several Intercounty players I know had no idea what the issue was.