Surely the final needs a thread of it's own.
It's a pity Captain Stephen Kernan will miss the final. I think the Cross lads will win, so that would be very disappointing for Kernan as he wouldn't be able to collect the trophy.
Like St. Brigid's last year Garrycastle will be big underdogs our lads got close but the Westmeath lads will be hoping to go one better. They have tight marking defenders a midfield pairing as good as I've at club level in recent years & in Des Dolan they have one of the best club forwards in Ireland.
Unlike Dublin's win it would be good for football if Garrycastle win but this Crossmaglen side are machine like & with better scoring options than last year i expect them to win this final more than last year.
Stephen Kernan is a big loss for Cross. Not only is he an important part of their forward line, but also third choice midfield. If anything happens to McKenna or Hanratty Cross could find themselves in a bit of bother around the middle, which would give Garrycastle a fighting chance of an upset. On the flip side, as bcb1 alluded to on another thread, Cross will derive a lot of additional motivation from this, which probably eliminates any chance Garrycastle had of catching them a bit cold.
Am I right in saying that McKenna didn't start the semi?
Garrycastle can make this a very simple exercise if they win the middle. Mulvehill is a great distributor of the ball and in Dessie Dolan they have a player who can give the Cross backs as bad a day at the office as Kilbride did in last year's final. Garrycastle know this is their one chance to win an All-Ireland.
Garrycastle to pull one out of the fire.
Garrycastle forward line with Gary Dolan, Patrick Mulvihill, James Dolan and Dessie (Dessie just 3rd best of this bunch in the semi) ..... i'd actually almost take this forward line over the Cross one. Only problem is that they are short on a couple more.
Same with midfield .... David Shaugnessey and Seanie Donoghue over any club pairing in the country.
However, its still Cross to win in my view as just too much experience and i just can't see Garrycastle handling the Cross forward line.
Big loss for Cross.Cross have 24 hours if they want to appeal again or leave it.I hope they will appeal as Steven is an excellent player and i don't think it would be right for the Cross captain missing out on the biggest game ever.I think the Croke Park need to watch that reply of the incident very carefully again and have a few of the country's good refs look at the tape to and see what they think.
I very much doubt it will be a very simple exercise for Garrycastle whether they win midfield or not. Cross defense is none too shabby so even if Garrycastle get a load of ball they'll still have to work for scores. Dessie Dolan may be deadly but last day out they were marking the Gooch.
Real pity for Kernan - I don't think any of the Kernans are at all dirty so feel a bit for him. It did appear like he lashed out and maybe struck though so I guess had to be upheld if they deemed it as a strike.
Would be good to see Garrycastle put it up to Cross. Kernan missing will help but potentially Tony Kernan could go in there.
They came to a decision pointless appealing it again. Up to his team mates to win the cup for him now. If Cross win will Stephen Kernan be allowed to pick up the cup?
XMG -3 in the local bookies @ Evs!!
Quote from: blast05 on March 02, 2012, 11:22:55 PM
Garrycastle forward line with Gary Dolan, Patrick Mulvihill, James Dolan and Dessie (Dessie just 3rd best of this bunch in the semi) ..... i'd actually almost take this forward line over the Cross one. Only problem is that they are short on a couple more.
Same with midfield .... David Shaugnessey and Seanie Donoghue over any club pairing in the country.
However, its still Cross to win in my view as just too much experience and i just can't see Garrycastle handling the Cross forward line.
Very confusing, so you wouldn't actually take the Garycastle midfield and forward line over the Cross midfield and forward line or would you? your saying one thing and then saying a different thing in the end.
Maintaining good supply is going to be a big challenge for Garrycastle. In three games I've watched them, there have been phases where the full backs were disconnected from the rest of the team to the point at it disrupted moving the ball upfield. The way Cross press in waves, it's going to be vital for Garrycastle's defence to establish itself early.
Seanie O'Donoghue, who has had a great campaign, is going to be a big factor. If he stays the defensive side of midfield he could prove a huge asset in terms of creating attacks from deep. Should be a cracker either way.
I think they key question is will Garycastle be able to match Crossmaglens work rate and physicality in the opening 20 minutes? I have my doubts that they will and Cross should run out winners due to their experience in the competeition and hunger to win.
Cross have played against various styles, tactics, and players. They have a game plan which eventually wears down the opponents. They don't panic and they really don't change their own style of play, and why should they? If Garrycastle play defensively they will be broke down in the end as they won't score as much, the Cross sweeper (AK) will act as another forward and score at will.
Garrycastle will have the same hunger as Cross but that will only get you so far in this match, Dolan won't feature on the playing side of things as he'll be marked very closely. His free taking will be crucial for Garrycastle to stay in the match. If Cross can keep the free count down they should win by 5 pulling up. How Garrycastle cope with appearing in Croke Park on Paddy's day in front of 25/30 thousand people will also be a deciding factor. Running out under the Hogan Stand is daunting enough.
I hope It's a tight match for the neutrals out there but would prefer Cross to win. Some team
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 06, 2012, 12:13:00 PM
Cross have played against various styles, tactics, and players. They have a game plan which eventually wears down the opponents. They don't panic and they really don't change their own style of play, and why should they? If Garrycastle play defensively they will be broke down in the end as they won't score as much, the Cross sweeper (AK) will act as another forward and score at will.
Garrycastle will have the same hunger as Cross but that will only get you so far in this match, Dolan won't feature on the playing side of things as he'll be marked very closely. His free taking will be crucial for Garrycastle to stay in the match. If Cross can keep the free count down they should win by 5 pulling up. How Garrycastle cope with appearing in Croke Park on Paddy's day in front of 25/30 thousand people will also be a deciding factor. Running out under the Hogan Stand is daunting enough.
I hope It's a tight match for the neutrals out there but would prefer Cross to win. Some team
:o Jaysus Milltown, you hardly think this is the first match where Dessie will be a marked man from the outset? Dessie always features.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 06, 2012, 12:27:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 06, 2012, 12:13:00 PM
Cross have played against various styles, tactics, and players. They have a game plan which eventually wears down the opponents. They don't panic and they really don't change their own style of play, and why should they? If Garrycastle play defensively they will be broke down in the end as they won't score as much, the Cross sweeper (AK) will act as another forward and score at will.
Garrycastle will have the same hunger as Cross but that will only get you so far in this match, Dolan won't feature on the playing side of things as he'll be marked very closely. His free taking will be crucial for Garrycastle to stay in the match. If Cross can keep the free count down they should win by 5 pulling up. How Garrycastle cope with appearing in Croke Park on Paddy's day in front of 25/30 thousand people will also be a deciding factor. Running out under the Hogan Stand is daunting enough.
I hope It's a tight match for the neutrals out there but would prefer Cross to win. Some team
:o Jaysus Milltown, you hardly think this is the first match where Dessie will be a marked man from the outset? Dessie always features.
I know, He's been earmarked for special attention for years and manages to still make space and score, that doesn't take away from the fact that Cross won't have one of their best defenders on him. I still think, my opinion having seen Cross (to our loss) a few times they manage to snuff out the main players for long periods of the game.
Has Garrycastle got a big full forward who can catch ball?
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I know, He's been earmarked for special attention for years and manages to still make space and score, that doesn't take away from the fact that Cross won't have one of their best defenders on him. I still think, my opinion having seen Cross (to our loss) a few times they manage to snuff out the main players for long periods of the game.
Has Garrycastle got a big full forward who can catch ball?
Gary Dolan would catch ball with the best of them, but Garrycastle don't play that way. If Dessie isn't seeing any ball he will drop to centre forward. In their drawn county final Garrycastle got cleaned at midfield, Dessie dropped to centre forward and kicked 6 points on limited ball.
As it gets closer the nerves are really starting to twitch. If we can keep the 2 Dolans quiet we will win becasue I reckon we have the forwards to beat the Garrycastle defence. The problem I see is that Garrycastle are stronger around the MF area. Titch is still carry an injury and Johnny is off the boil. If SK isn't there I don't see us winnign much ball against a very strong able Garrycastle midfield.
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 02, 2012, 08:12:52 PM
Am I right in saying that McKenna didn't start the semi?
He was dropped for missing training.
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 06, 2012, 03:29:23 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 02, 2012, 08:12:52 PM
Am I right in saying that McKenna didn't start the semi?
He was dropped for missing training.
Mc Kenna never missed training, he was injured and didnt train untill the wednesday before the game.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 06, 2012, 01:39:43 PM
As it gets closer the nerves are really starting to twitch.
After witnessing so much glory the last two decades i'd say the nerves/twitching are a lot less.
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Would prefer Cross to win. Some team
I'm sure you wouldn't begrudge Garrycastle their day in the sun who knows this might be the only chance of All Ireland glory for them?
Quote from: armaghranger12 on March 06, 2012, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 06, 2012, 03:29:23 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 02, 2012, 08:12:52 PM
Am I right in saying that McKenna didn't start the semi?
He was dropped for missing training.
Mc Kenna never missed training, he was injured and didnt train untill the wednesday before the game.
Not what Tony Mac told the Irish News, I think he should know.
Direct quote:
"If anybody misses a few weeks' training, they cannot be considered as an option to start on this team. Our primary objective here is to create an environment whereby a young fella coming up from the minors knows that if he doesn't train, he doesn't play, and in order for us to do that we have to be as equally as hard on Aaron or Jamie Clarke as we are on anyone else.
yea but the reason he missed was because he was injured. he done his thigh muscle 2weeks before the game.
Quote from: ross4life on March 06, 2012, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 06, 2012, 01:39:43 PM
As it gets closer the nerves are really starting to twitch.
After witnessing so much glory the last two decades i'd say the nerves/twitching are a lot less.
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Would prefer Cross to win. Some team
I'm sure you wouldn't begrudge Garrycastle their day in the sun who knows this might be the only chance of All Ireland glory for them?
Nerves always twitching, ye can never have enough success and that is why I get so twitchy!!
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 06, 2012, 04:04:52 PM
Quote from: armaghranger12 on March 06, 2012, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 06, 2012, 03:29:23 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 02, 2012, 08:12:52 PM
Am I right in saying that McKenna didn't start the semi?
He was dropped for missing training.
Mc Kenna never missed training, he was injured and didnt train untill the wednesday before the game.
Not what Tony Mac told the Irish News, I think he should know.
Direct quote:
"If anybody misses a few weeks' training, they cannot be considered as an option to start on this team. Our primary objective here is to create an environment whereby a young fella coming up from the minors knows that if he doesn't train, he doesn't play, and in order for us to do that we have to be as equally as hard on Aaron or Jamie Clarke as we are on anyone else.
He missed training as he was injured, that is why he didn't start.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 06, 2012, 12:39:28 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 06, 2012, 12:27:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 06, 2012, 12:13:00 PM
Cross have played against various styles, tactics, and players. They have a game plan which eventually wears down the opponents. They don't panic and they really don't change their own style of play, and why should they? If Garrycastle play defensively they will be broke down in the end as they won't score as much, the Cross sweeper (AK) will act as another forward and score at will.
Garrycastle will have the same hunger as Cross but that will only get you so far in this match, Dolan won't feature on the playing side of things as he'll be marked very closely. His free taking will be crucial for Garrycastle to stay in the match. If Cross can keep the free count down they should win by 5 pulling up. How Garrycastle cope with appearing in Croke Park on Paddy's day in front of 25/30 thousand people will also be a deciding factor. Running out under the Hogan Stand is daunting enough.
I hope It's a tight match for the neutrals out there but would prefer Cross to win. Some team
:o Jaysus Milltown, you hardly think this is the first match where Dessie will be a marked man from the outset? Dessie always features.
I know, He's been earmarked for special attention for years and manages to still make space and score, that doesn't take away from the fact that Cross won't have one of their best defenders on him. I still think, my opinion having seen Cross (to our loss) a few times they manage to snuff out the main players for long periods of the game.
Has Garrycastle got a big full forward who can catch ball?
Garrycastle are very flexible, what I mean by that is they can rotate the players and their game plan if needed. I wouldn't be surprised if they launch a few high ones into Gary or Paddy Mulvihill to test out the Crossmaglen defence, Cunningham always likes to throw something new into the mix.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 06, 2012, 01:39:43 PM
As it gets closer the nerves are really starting to twitch. If we can keep the 2 Dolans quiet we will win becasue I reckon we have the forwards to beat the Garrycastle defence. The problem I see is that Garrycastle are stronger around the MF area. Titch is still carry an injury and Johnny is off the boil. If SK isn't there I don't see us winnign much ball against a very strong able Garrycastle midfield.
What if the third one goes on the rampage? Is this an indicator of Crossmaglen taking Garrycastle for granted? Here's hoping. ;D
Dont worry about what people say on this about the game. I can assure you that the Cross players and managers will not be taking Garrycastle for granted. So i dont think Cross will be caught on the hop Sorry.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 06, 2012, 01:39:43 PM
Nerves always twitching, ye can never have enough success and that is why I get so twitchy!!
Your starting to sound like a Kerry man ;)
Between St Brigid's and Garrycastle there's that many Dolans you cpuld be forgiven for missing 1 or 2 :P Anyway, I actually reckon Mulvihill could be the key man for them as he creates a lot of space and is very clever with his running and support play.
Quote from: armaghranger12 on March 06, 2012, 04:08:58 PM
yea but the reason he missed was because he was injured. he done his thigh muscle 2weeks before the game.
So I said he was dropped for missing training which is correct, I didn't state he hadn't a reason.
My Uncle from Cross lives in a small town in the Rural south of the US.
I need to get a link for either radio or tv for the match to help him watch it online.
Any help?
A bit off topic but... Am I correct in saying that the father of actor Martin Short (Father of the bride, 3 Amigos etc) was a Cross man?
Quote from: BennyCake on March 07, 2012, 11:06:03 AM
A bit off topic but... Am I correct in saying that the father of actor Martin Short (Father of the bride, 3 Amigos etc) was a Cross man?
Yep, his father Charles (brother of Paddy) moved to Canada in the 20's I think.
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 06, 2012, 05:23:39 PM
Quote from: armaghranger12 on March 06, 2012, 04:08:58 PM
yea but the reason he missed was because he was injured. he done his thigh muscle 2weeks before the game.
So I said he was dropped for missing training which is correct, I didn't state he hadn't a reason.
It was in doubt for a while, but I think it's official now, you're a tit.
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on March 07, 2012, 04:51:02 AM
My Uncle from Cross lives in a small town in the Rural south of the US.
I need to get a link for either radio or tv for the match to help him watch it online.
Any help?
Isn't it on rte? Nice coverage over here for the radio
Game has swung considerably in favour of Garrycastle with the rejection of Stephen's appeal last night. Nerves very edgy now.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 09, 2012, 10:27:27 AM
Game has swung considerably in favour of Garrycastle with the rejection of Stephen's appeal last night. Nerves very edgy now.
Yerra, will ya stop.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 09, 2012, 10:27:27 AM
Game has swung considerably in favour of Garrycastle with the rejection of Stephen's appeal last night. Nerves very edgy now.
lol...sure there's 8-9 of them Kernans. I'd say the bloody manager could probably do a job in the middle too.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 09, 2012, 10:34:52 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 09, 2012, 10:27:27 AM
Game has swung considerably in favour of Garrycastle with the rejection of Stephen's appeal last night. Nerves very edgy now.
Yerra, will ya stop.
Answer me this if Garrycastle lost their centre half forward/midfielder and captain who has been playing exceptionally well would you reckon that Cross wouldn't be stronger favourites. SK is a massive lose to the team and it, in my view, gives Garrycastle the advantage. That is before the niggly injuries are even considered.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 09, 2012, 10:41:25 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 09, 2012, 10:34:52 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 09, 2012, 10:27:27 AM
Game has swung considerably in favour of Garrycastle with the rejection of Stephen's appeal last night. Nerves very edgy now.
Yerra, will ya stop.
Answer me this if Garrycastle lost their centre half forward/midfielder and captain who has been playing exceptionally well would you reckon that Cross wouldn't be stronger favourites. SK is a massive lose to the team and it, in my view, gives Garrycastle the advantage. That is before the niggly injuries are even considered.
Crossmaglen are the strongest of favourites for this and even though Stephen Kernan is a loss (very harshly sent off the last day imo) it doesn't swing the game towards Garrycastle, never mind give them the advantage. Crossmaglen hold most of the cards here, their big one being having been there and done it before in Croke Park on the big day. They are more of a machine than Kerry and Kilkenny combined in Croke Park, when's the last time they lost there? This Garrycastle team with a couple of exceptions are nearer the end of the road than the middle, you don't need to mention niggles to them. Crossmaglen strong, strong favourites, Garrycastle need to play the 60 mins like the first half against Brigids of Dublin to be in there, some ask. Hope it's a good game regardless, looking forward to the day.
Cross will win this pulling up.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 09, 2012, 10:27:27 AM
Game has swung considerably in favour of Garrycastle with the rejection of Stephen's appeal last night. Nerves very edgy now.
Can he go to DRA?
That's a massive loss for Cross with that news. I believe that this now puts the game more on a 50/50 balance. Stephen has been one of Cross top players this past 2seasons and I can't but feel for him on the biggest day in the club calendar that he misses the chance to lead his team out in Croke Park. Time the GAA caught a grip.
Will you be able to make the game BCB, your wee girl might be playing hop scotch that morning.
Stephen Kernan absence will only inspire Crossmaglen. They jumped the biggest hurdle v Kilmacud Crokes in the semi final last year and did the same this year v Dr Crokes.
Shocking decision to red card S Kernan in the semi-final, compounded by the various levels of committee fuckwittery that has seen each appeal rejected.
Regardless of all other shite, Stephen Kernan should be leading the Rangers out at Croke Park on the 17th. Anything else is a disgrace.
Any word of the teams for Saturday. Any ideas who is likely to replace Stephen Kernan, and who is likely to captain the team. Aaron Kernan perhaps?
All the best to Cross tomorrow. They are superb outfit and play their best when their backs are to the wall, and when they are in front and just about every time they play basically.
Now that is said and done the issue of SK getting red carded has some armagh posters annoyed. His appeal was rejected after hours and hours of discussion and some think that the GAA should get a grip. Well I think they have. They are starting to get a grip and not overturn decisions and the more often this happens the better.
Other decisions to penalise teams by way of loss of home venue etc may be a little left of centre but the point being that the GAA need to set sanctions and stand by them.
Sentimentality can't be used as an argument to avoid being suspended. (I do feel for him and the team as I did for Derrytresk)
Quote from: ballymac on March 16, 2012, 10:54:02 AM
All the best to Cross tomorrow. They are superb outfit and play their best when their backs are to the wall, and when they are in front and just about every time they play basically.
Now that is said and done the issue of SK getting red carded has some armagh posters annoyed. His appeal was rejected after hours and hours of discussion and some think that the GAA should get a grip. Well I think they have. They are starting to get a grip and not overturn decisions and the more often this happens the better.
Other decisions to penalise teams by way of loss of home venue etc may be a little left of centre but the point being that the GAA need to set sanctions and stand by them.
Sentimentality can't be used as an argument to avoid being suspended. (I do feel for him and the team as I did for Derrytresk)
+1
It seems the more money you have the more you can appeal, counter appeal and counter counter appeal.
Good luck Cross tomorrow, Cross to win by 4
Hearty is vice captain so he will be leading the team out. I hear what you say ballymac but they should have taken a more clear cut case to make a point. Anyway, that's me till after the game, good luck to the lads.
Good luck to both Ulster Teams tomorrow...Joint reception by Joint first Ministers?
Was there not another appeal last night for Stephen?
Good luck tomorrow X
Cross have 5 all irelands. Nemo have 7. Will Cross make it past Nemo ?
Far to much love for Cross in this thread. Best of luck to our neighbours Garrycastle tomorrow.
All the best to cross tomorrow
Good luck Cross...i think they'll win by 2pts so i'll have a small wager on Garycastle +5pts @ 4/5...o'hh and throw Laois in there for the double (money from America :P)
C'mon Dessie, you didn't beat your breathern just to lose to these fellas, did yah?
Good luck to Garrycastle, you'll do Westmeath and Athlone proud.
Cross by 1goal-2pts
final Cross 2-8 Garrycastle 1-6
Come on Cross !!!!
Best of luck to Garrycastle today, be good to see a new club and county represented on the winners list.
Best of look to all teams.
Hopefully the machine can keep rollin on.
Is the match live on TV or radio across the Irish sea?
Good luck, Cross.
Quote from: BennyCake on March 17, 2012, 02:00:03 PM
Is the match live on TV or radio across the Irish sea?
Yes, Premier Sports, Sky Channel 433. I think it's £6.99 a month, you get League & Championship plus a few more different sports.
Could this possibly be the last chance to see The Great Oisin McConville play?
Are RTE or TG4 showing it live
I did an Ulster double so the Sahmrocks have trebled my money already. Good luck Cross and don't do 'an Armagh' on me! ;)
How did the Garrycastle 10 not get the line for that?
Very lucky to get away with a yellow card there!
Stephen Kernan misses the final for nothing. And Garrycastle player gets nothing for a headbutt...wtf is wrong with this organisation!
Dessie Dolan playing feck again. I wonder how long before Cross put their best defender on him?
His only saving grace was McKeown acting it up completely. McKeown will get sent off this game at current rate.
Looks like could be a tight game. Dolan is hard to watch.
cross following through on a lot of tackles after whistle is gone. very cynical in my mind
Can't see 30 players still on the field after 60 minutes.
Gcastle 10 should have walked.
P kernan lucky to be still there too. Himself and morgan must be on last warnings
Well taken goal.
Fine goal! but two bad wides just now that could cost them.
Cross should be ashamed of themselves. Hope Garycastle will win this well.
Garrycastle are punishing Cross everytime they make a mistake
Fair fcuks to Garrycastle some effort they are putting in but can they keep that pace for 60mins? full value for the 4 point HT lead.
Quote from: Benny Sweeney on March 17, 2012, 04:14:18 PM
Cross should be ashamed of themselves. Hope Garycastle will win this well.
+1
Hate the shit they are pulling. I started the game completley neutral, no longer the case, the amount of late tackles, knees, etc is disgraceful
Quote from: Take Your Points on March 17, 2012, 04:23:13 PM
[yet!
Referee showing severe bias against Cross.
Joke of the year so far ::)
Quote from: Take Your Points on March 17, 2012, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: joemamas on March 17, 2012, 04:20:51 PM
Quote from: Benny Sweeney on March 17, 2012, 04:14:18 PM
Cross should be ashamed of themselves. Hope Garycastle will win this well.
+1
Hate the shit they are pulling. I started the game completley neutral, no longer the case, the amount of late tackles, knees, etc is disgraceful
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Still haven't head butted anyone yet!
Agreed, however Cross man hit him two digs right before. I just feel the bullshit that Cross are at has no place on a football field.
Are any of our overseas members watching it using Overplay ?
Quote from: Take Your Points on March 17, 2012, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: joemamas on March 17, 2012, 04:20:51 PM
Quote from: Benny Sweeney on March 17, 2012, 04:14:18 PM
Cross should be ashamed of themselves. Hope Garycastle will win this well.
+1
Hate the shit they are pulling. I started the game completley neutral, no longer the case, the amount of late tackles, knees, etc is disgraceful
Still haven't head butted anyone yet!
Referee showing severe bias against Cross.
Seriously shit ref.
shoot the commentator. States AK is perfect pop over the free, but then says he hopes he hasn't jinxed it, fecker did.
3 misses for Cross
GC deserve their lead. They're a good side. Cross comebacks are legendary, but is this one beyond them?
Dessie Dolan may of cost Garycastle the all Ireland here.
That may help the comeback Garrycastle down to 14 men.
Quote from: BennyCake on March 17, 2012, 04:36:41 PM
GC deserve their lead. They're a good side. Cross comebacks are legendary, but is this one beyond them?
Nope
Cross forwards poor with the exception of Clarke.
At the game. Why the red?
This ref is seriously poor. What a prat.
14 v 14 & it was coming.
Quote from: ross4life on March 17, 2012, 04:40:59 PM
14 v 14 & it was coming.
Thats the worst bit of levelling it up I have ever seen. It was a free the other way never mind a booking for the cross man.
Think Cross are done. There is no way back...they are breaking through but the GC defence is playing very well.
Quote from: blast05 on March 17, 2012, 04:39:44 PM
At the game. Why the red?
Both reds were two yellows. both lads thought they were playing rugby.
The tone was set in the first minute of the game. Come on garrycastle
Garrycastle tiring now and making bad decisions.
Sur ethere's even boys not on the ball beside boys on the ball pushing away the opposition. Strange stuff.
Still can't see cross being beat - only a matter of time.
Cross are asking questions of GC now. Will they rue Clarke hitting the post with the goal chance?
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on March 17, 2012, 04:42:27 PM
Think Cross are done. There is no way back...they are breaking through but the GC defence is playing very well.
Keep it up. You're a good luck omen
Quote from: Jinxy on March 17, 2012, 04:47:49 PM
Garrycastle tiring now and making bad decisions.
Yep some heavy legs. Level now.
Quote from: ardal on March 17, 2012, 04:49:42 PM
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on March 17, 2012, 04:42:27 PM
Think Cross are done. There is no way back...they are breaking through but the GC defence is playing very well.
Keep it up. You're a good luck omen
Once again, cant see Cross winning. They dont look like they are going sto score.
Garrycastle killing themselves with the kickouts.
Ref letting the game flow, neither team can have many complaints.
Rory Hickey is definitely the worst I've seen in a long time.
What's the fecking score you arseholes?
Ref is giving everything to GC now. Jamie Clarke was mugged there and nothing given.
1-12 0-13 to gcastle, 6 to go
Gcastle nbr 23 has been awful
Gc leading by 1
1-12 to 0-14
level
That was a serious point from McKenna.
This ref is really awful.
How is that a free in!
The ref needs to get a grip here - some of the 'tackling' is ridiculous.
Justice
Would someone tell that keeper to stop kicking it straight down the middle!
1.12 Gc 0.15 Cross,
missed free from OMcC for the lead
another wide from McConville,
20seconds on the clock
Christ another wide from Clarke,
2 mins injury time
It really is no rules football.
Clarke been unlucky not to goal this game. If anyone wins it will be cross.
Next score wins the All Ireland.
TK knocks it wide
Free for GC
seconds to go
Some of the tackling in the last 15 minutes would go down well at Twickenham later on.
Will s kernan be back for the replay?
Fair result.
Cross should have won it at the end, must have missed 3 easily.
Will Stephen be back for replay?
Sounded like a great game,
Looking forward to another one
1.12 GC 0.15 Cross
When's the replay; next week?
Garrycastle blessed to hang on.
Did they win a single kickout in the last 15 mins?
At least hickey can't do the replay
Is there extra time?, the guy on premier sports says there is, not sure if he's right
Fair result in the end. Garrycastle the best in 1st half Cross best in 2nd half.
Excellent game , pity about the ref, Cross should have won it at end but if Garrycastle had got fair play from Ref.....
Cross should have won it. The ref's 'let everything go' attitude was certainly different!
Quote from: glens73 on March 17, 2012, 05:06:01 PM
Is there extra time?, the guy on premier sports says there is, not sure if he's right
eh NO
Draws need to be gotten rid of quickly.
Crowd look stunned.
Worst display of refereeing I have seen in a while, the tackling was just free for all. Ref seemed oblivious to it.
And how the GC keeper thought it was a good idea to hit KO after KO down the middle is just unbelievable. Had the Galway hurlers training @ 4:45 where did the GC management go to for the last 15!!
Although Hickey can't ref the replay, who will? Quality of ref's is pretty pathetic at the moment, one is just as bad as the next. Cross should have got 2 or 3 frees at the end but instead were awarded frees when there was no foul. I will never understand what goes through some ref's heads!
Fair result in the end, should be another cracker
The ref set out his stall early, he was consistent and let the game flow. That's a big reason this was one of the most enjoyable games of football I've seen in a long time. I guess people getting used to referees blowing up for every hard tackle has coloured opinions but I could hardly care less.
Ref was shocking, there was one tackle that should have been a free but he just ran on past it. Hanratty saved Cross' bacon there at the end even though it was a cynical tackle, he had to no other choice. If the GC player didn't milk it for so long perhaps they would have had time for the free. Jamie Clarke had an off day, two goal chances missed and what could have been a fisted point.
All in all it was a fair result with some bad decision for both teams.
Quote from: Syferus on March 17, 2012, 05:13:11 PM
The ref set out his stall early, he was consistent and let the game flow. That's a big reason this was one of the most enjoyable games of football I've seen in a long time. I guess people getting used to referees blowing up for every hard tackle has coloured opinions but I could hardly care less.
Ref was dreadful. He was just ignoring clear fouls. Let alone marginal ones. Letting the game flow is one thing but that was taking the piss.
Not to mention when he did decide to blow it was often for something not nearly as bad as stuff he was ignoring.
Quote from: Syferus on March 17, 2012, 05:13:11 PM
The ref set out his stall early, he was consistent and let the game flow.
First free he gave - a Castle man was about to run on to a through ball in front of goal.
The 2 second yellows were hardly fouls at all.
The one he gave against the Castle defender that Oisin missed was a disgrace.
He never allowed any time for the delay after Hanratty's foul.
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on March 17, 2012, 05:19:23 PM
Ref was shocking, there was one tackle that should have been a free but he just ran on past it. Hanratty saved Cross' bacon there at the end even though it was a cynical tackle, he had to no other choice. If the GC player didn't milk it for so long perhaps they would have had time for the free. Jamie Clarke had an off day, two goal chances missed and what could have been a fisted point.
All in all it was a fair result with some bad decision for both teams.
Milk it?
He was absolutely out on his feet at that stage.
Did you ever ship a heavy tackle at the end of a game when your legs were gone?
You don't exactly bounce back up.
Cracking game.
As for the referee, whatever you might say about him he was imo consistent................ can't ask for more than that.
Well done to both teams.Best AICF for years.
Quote from: Canalman on March 17, 2012, 05:47:11 PM
As for the referee, whatever you might say about him he was imo consistent................ can't ask for more than that.
Consistently poor. And yes, you most definitely can ask for more than that.
Have we got a decent referee these days? The GAA need to look at the standard of referees and act accordingly.
Step forward Martin Sludden - saviour of the GAA
Great game today almost spoiled by a poor ref. I thought he was very inconsistent despite what's being said on here. He was too harsh on petty fouls booking for the likes of accidental coming together but then ignoring neck high clotheslines and dangerous third man tackles. Gerrycastle were the better team in the first half but Cross dominated the second and IMO would have won easily with a better ref.
Lot of talk about Cross' indulgence in the dark arts today but Gerrycastle were as bad if not worse. Any word on the replay yet?
Ref was horrendus for both teams at different times, horrendus inconsistency.
Only saw the second half but it was fairly enthralling stuff....
Ref was a disgrace, for a player to be sent off for a second yellow in All-Ireland Final - for both players - is no laughing matter... Like if you give yellows for that and then let some of the other stuff go is unbelievable and as a player how are you meant to judge a referee and know what he defines as good tackling
oh by the way, Kingspan Breffni Park for the replay???
great game. nuff said
Quote from: Celt_Man on March 17, 2012, 07:40:51 PM
oh by the way, Kingspan Breffni Park for the replay???
Has to be Croker, as a curtain-raiser to Dublin League Game v Donegal on Saturday March 24th!
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 17, 2012, 08:01:34 PM
Quote from: Celt_Man on March 17, 2012, 07:40:51 PM
oh by the way, Kingspan Breffni Park for the replay???
Has to be Croker, as a curtain-raiser to Dublin League Game v Donegal on Saturday March 24th!
Perfect idea
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 17, 2012, 08:01:34 PM
Quote from: Celt_Man on March 17, 2012, 07:40:51 PM
oh by the way, Kingspan Breffni Park for the replay???
Has to be Croker, as a curtain-raiser to Dublin League Game v Donegal on Saturday March 24th!
I'd wonder. The atmosphere at Pearse Park for the Brigids-Garrycastle semi was spectacular, I don't think many fans would be opposed to a replay at a smaller ground. If it was I'd imagine it'd have to be Pearse Park or Breffni. For the prestige of playing it at Croke Park you'd get the slight of being the curtain raiser to a league game, it kinda balances out to null.
I remember the 2006 minior All-Ireland final replay was moved to Ennis so there is alot of precedent in moving a paired final out of Croker for a replay.
Cross are the masters of drudge and cynical foul play. Well done for badgering a replay if nothing else!
Cross left that behind them today, had enough chances to win it in the last few minutes. They wont make the same mistake the next day.
Ref was very poor today.
Cross had chances late on but if Mulvhill had buried his second chance for a goal rather than take a point it'd have been for nought. The draw was a very fair result. I don't think Cross will be going into the replay all the confident, they know for sure that they have a serious opponent now.
Its a measure of Crossmaglen that they managed to force a reply when they played so poorly. I have never seen such a wasteful performance from a Cross team. Fair play to Garrycastle for their performance today but they have missed the boat.
I thought the ref rode Cross today in that he allowed GC to do anything they wanted in the last 20 minutes apart from one rare call which Oisin put wide.
I sorta liked the ref's approach - the majority of manly collisions went unpunished but Garrycastle took the biscuit when they realised they were ahead and could probably decapitate without sanction.
I think Cross will murder them in the replay. Their forward unit underperformed badly today.
Thoroughly entertaining game of football. Oh how we long for a bit of this at county level. Ref wasn't great but aren't we used to it at this point?
Really impressed with Garrycastle, they carried the 'written off' attitude into the game and were the better team for majority of game. But good old Cross, relentless and never abandon style of play.
Maybe its just me but i felt Jamie Clarke 'pulled out' of his attempted flick with the hand for the missed goal opportunity. Wasn't prepared to take one for an All-Ireland! Had he been braver he would have scored. I'm i being harsh? Probably!
Quote from: Oak Leafer on March 17, 2012, 09:04:29 PM
Thoroughly entertaining game of football. Oh how we long for a bit of this at county level. Ref wasn't great but aren't we used to it at this point?
Really impressed with Garrycastle, they carried the 'written off' attitude into the game and were the better team for majority of game. But good old Cross, relentless and never abandon style of play.
Maybe its just me but i felt Jamie Clarke 'pulled out' of his attempted flick with the hand for the missed goal opportunity. Wasn't prepared to take one for an All-Ireland! Had he been braver he would have scored. I'm i being harsh? Probably!
Yes, and an understatement at that. Carried them from the snippets I saw.
Well i guess the fact that you saw snippets doesn't put you in a position to make a comment on his performance.
I think anyone on here will tell you its wasn't his best day at the office!
Quote from: Oak Leafer on March 17, 2012, 09:14:32 PM
Well i guess the fact that you saw snippets doesn't put you in a position to make a comment on his performance.
I think anyone on here will tell you its wasn't his best day at the office!
Yes, the snippets were the entire first half and a goodly part of the second.
Carried them from the snippets I saw.
I'd hardly classify that as seeing snippets! ;)
Jamie caused mayhem every time he got on the ball.
Cross seemed too complacent from the outset and took until the 2nd half to get going.
They'll not be as complacent next time out.
Fair play to GC who could have won the game even if the 2nd half wa a kicking in match.
Ref was shocking for both sides.
Great game. Ref was poor a good ref is one you don't notice. Garrycastle in their first ever All Ireland final didn't allow the occasion get to them and Crossmaglen now know they have to work harder than first thought to win this All Ireland.
Quote from: Dangleberrys on March 17, 2012, 05:10:00 PM
Although Hickey can't ref the replay, who will? Quality of ref's is pretty pathetic at the moment, one is just as bad as the next. Cross should have got 2 or 3 frees at the end but instead were awarded frees when there was no foul. I will never understand what goes through some ref's heads!
Fair result in the end, should be another cracker
Has to be Munster or Connacht ref really though they might opt out of that and go for Deegan or Coldrick maybe. If Munster that puts Collins in the mix and if Connacht the two Duffys, but they did it before so who knows. Yes Hickey was at best muddled and at worst terrible. Great excitement and great game, Westmeath could have done without the replay more than Armagh
Glad G'Castle held on for the draw but in the last 15mins they just hung on--they were out on their feet.
You'll never see Jamie miss as many goal chances again. I think Cross will win easily in the replay
Ref was awful--should have played a further 30seconds at least.
Hanratty is as cynical a player as i've seen. Did the same v St Galls--but prevented a possible winning score so job done.
Jamie was pure danger every time he got the ball--different class.
Good game though. Hope Garrycastle given Cross a game in the Replay but just feel Cross have too many scoring options to lose.
Dolan started brilliantly and got scores/frees out of limited ball in 2nd half--needs more help though. They stopped dead towards the end.
Would put the house on Cross in the replay
Gutted fro Garrycastle
To be quite honest I am absolutely disgusted at the state of referring in today's game. From start to finish he displayed the standard I expect of an inexperienced and untried ref. this is not a pro cross stance or a pro GC stance. He was utterly terrible. Our games are coming under serious strain with such displays. Fans get frustrated. Players do not know what the hell is going on. I really feel that the gaa need to step up to the mark and stop this nonsense. Too often they back refs who have no idea in order to protect them. They are a dying breed after all - who'd do it??. We need to look at this though. Do we need train our refs properly? Punish them if they are terrible; have two refs to cope with the pace and physicality of our games? I am sorry but what went today nearly spoilt a cracking game . Well played to both teams. Unlucky to the two lads who got sent off. paul kernan seemed to be the victim of 'balancing' so innocuous. Neither lad deserved red.
But what about number 10 for gc? How insane was he to headbut in front of the ref? How shocking was the ref not to send him off? What was the yellow for? Attempting to strike with the head is a straight red? What if any explanation can be given for the ref's yellow? Cop out? That eejit should not see any championship games this year. Stop him from spoiling a summer for any county team please. A disgrace! Might seem harsh but i have had my fill of some poor refs. Listen to the RTE commentary for the between the lines querying if his performance.
Replay seems somewhat fair as neither team deserved to lose.
Just back from Croker and have to say I watched a totally different game than earlier posters.
Gaelic football is a badly regulated field sport that depends more on the honesty of players (almost universally absent) than any similar sport, so the job of referee is near impossible.
In that context a referee who tries to assert early control and then allows the game to flow as much as possible is as likley to maske a positive contribution to the game as any cynical coach or "purist" sideline pundit, therefore I thought the ref did OK.
It was an entertaining up-and-down game. Cross played a bit flat but their expereience showed through at the end when GC should really have naliled it. Their 14 was immense but so was Aaron Kernan. Draw a fair result but Cross will have learned enough to come through in the replay. Overall quite sporting and a good advert for football.
The Cross player was going head to head with the Garrycastle player and he saw the ref and decided he was a Olympic diver rather than a gaelic footballer. Look at it again; the Garrycastle player's head went forward when the Cross player started going down, it was simply the pressure he was applying to be pushing against the Cross player's forehead. There was no malicious intent beyond that. In motion it looked horrible but in reality the Cross player was trying to draw the red card.
Whatever the letter of the law, the referee made the right choice in just giving the Garrycastle player a yellow. It showed the one trait most referees lack: common sense.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 17, 2012, 08:01:34 PM
Quote from: Celt_Man on March 17, 2012, 07:40:51 PM
oh by the way, Kingspan Breffni Park for the replay???
Has to be Croker, as a curtain-raiser to Dublin League Game v Donegal on Saturday March 24th!
That one is already a double header with the Dublin hurlers. Can't see 3 games played that day. I'd say it'll be in Breffni or Clones.
You see this is part of the problem we face. Condoning actions such as head butting. As the poster rightly puts it the ref made a decision ... The rules do not support that sort of behaviour by players ir refs. The fact is that part of the serious problem we face is the lack of proper application of the rules for events such as this. I agree that it would/could have spoilt the game that early on but where does this pup get off throwing the head, connection or no. I cannot and will not condone any play acting, another blight on our games in recent years. But serious foul play such as that is not condoned in any sport to my kind, boxing, mma , soccer, darts, tiddlywinks or gaa sports. As someone who suffered such in incident I know the effects. can anyone explain how the ref came to a yellow card? I really feel that this is a disgusting situation that the ref has condoned!!
I feel really strongly that this ref was a shocking disgrace. I think he shows a serious problem in our games. I admire anyone who takes on this role but after playing for nearly 27 years and now at the end of my career I am firmly if the view that "give respect get respect" starts with proper communication and application of the rules.
I really look forward to another battle of two great teams fully loaded with players that will pit themselves at each other in a fair but hard way, extolling the virtues and skills of our games to the highest level. May the best team win (and their counties soon see the benefits of having their players back) but lets hope none of us are talking about any pathetic referees like we saw today.
Ps there was also an incident in the hurling where loughgeil got a point that was clearly very wide. We were right behind it and I am glad it didn't have a bearing on the game's outcome, but how long do we need to go on facing poor officiating before we use cheap and simple technology that does not interfere with our games?
Ref'ing madness. No championship games I hope for that fool.
Cannot see how anyone can defend the GC player on the headbutt. To suggest that his head only went forward when the Cross player was going down he ridiculous - does he not have the ability to control what he does with his own head? You are unlikely to see a more blatant sending off for the rest of the year. The Cross player could have seen yellow for his part in it too. For me the referee thought the Garycastle player was the more guilty and gave him a yellow and the Cross player nothing as he did not want to send a player off so early in the match.
When will details of the replay be announced?
Quote from: Syferus on March 18, 2012, 01:18:56 AM
The Cross player was going head to head with the Garrycastle player and he saw the ref and decided he was a Olympic diver rather than a gaelic footballer. Look at it again; the Garrycastle player's head went forward when the Cross player started going down, it was simply the pressure he was applying to be pushing against the Cross player's forehead. There was no malicious intent beyond that. In motion it looked horrible but in reality the Cross player was trying to draw the red card.
Whatever the letter of the law, the referee made the right choice in just giving the Garrycastle player a yellow. It showed the one trait most referees lack: common sense.
Sadly-there is no common sense in the rule book
Is it in Parnell park this Saturday?
I only caught the highlights but even the highlights caught the compelling drama of the last 1/4.
Both sides put in a monumental effort, Cross in recovering relentlessly to the end and Garrycastle had the resilience to survive.
I won't miss the replay.
Really wanted garrycastle to win. But alas it was not to be. Cross are a great team but are very cynical. Always niggling and hitting late. It obviously works for them but am not a fan of it.
Very enjoyable game and I while i do admire cross I was hoping Garrycastle could get the ball up to Dolan one last time and get a point. In the end they were lucky to hold out but I can't see anything other than a Cross win the next day out. Well done to both teams for a massive effort which shows just why the GAA is so great in the way two teams will fight with everything they've got to the very end for no monetary gain.
Quote from: Syferus on March 18, 2012, 01:18:56 AM
The Cross player was going head to head with the Garrycastle player and he saw the ref and decided he was a Olympic diver rather than a gaelic footballer. Look at it again; the Garrycastle player's head went forward when the Cross player started going down, it was simply the pressure he was applying to be pushing against the Cross player's forehead. There was no malicious intent beyond that. In motion it looked horrible but in reality the Cross player was trying to draw the red card.
Whatever the letter of the law, the referee made the right choice in just giving the Garrycastle player a yellow. It showed the one trait most referees lack: common sense.
You don't put your forehead near anyones head/face.
For obvious reasons.
He deserved a straight red.
Quote from: The Worker on March 18, 2012, 09:42:34 AM
When will details of the replay be announced?
Still no word ??
Quote from: orangeman on March 18, 2012, 07:04:23 PM
Quote from: The Worker on March 18, 2012, 09:42:34 AM
When will details of the replay be announced?
Still no word ??
The date, time and venue of the replay will be decided by the CCCC on Tuesday 20 March 2012.
A great game of football and a great advert for club football. I thought the ref probably should have awarded Cross a couple of frees at the end but otherwise added to the occasion by letting the game flow. On the negative side, a shocking piece of play acting by the Cross player to try and get the GC player sent off. The GC player was crazy though and a different ref might have bought it.
Quote from: Carbery on March 18, 2012, 07:29:50 PM
Quote from: orangeman on March 18, 2012, 07:04:23 PM
Quote from: The Worker on March 18, 2012, 09:42:34 AM
When will details of the replay be announced?
Still no word ??
The date, time and venue of the replay will be decided by the CCCC on Tuesday 20 March 2012.
Kinda suggests 2 weeks time then ?
Quote from: orangeman on March 18, 2012, 07:31:23 PM
Quote from: Carbery on March 18, 2012, 07:29:50 PM
Quote from: orangeman on March 18, 2012, 07:04:23 PM
Quote from: The Worker on March 18, 2012, 09:42:34 AM
When will details of the replay be announced?
Still no word ??
The date, time and venue of the replay will be decided by the CCCC on Tuesday 20 March 2012.
Kinda suggests 2 weeks time then ?
Paddy Power seem to think its on the 25th
Surely the clubs would need to know asap to be fair to them ?
Cross 1/4 - GC 4/1
Quote from: Gazza M on March 18, 2012, 07:30:51 PM
A great game of football and a great advert for club football. I thought the ref probably should have awarded Cross a couple of frees at the end but otherwise added to the occasion by letting the game flow. On the negative side, a shocking piece of play acting by the Cross player to try and get the GC player sent off. The GC player was crazy though and a different ref might have bought it.
you cant defend what the gc player done, should have seen red, there was thousands of kids watching ffs, I'm sure the ref is embarrassed today at his display in that final
Jamie Clarke almost clicked a couple of times but it never really went off with a bang for him. He could have a big replay.
I hope to see stephen kernan lifting the cup now after what the gaa has put that lad through,
Quote from: get up there on March 18, 2012, 08:54:39 PM
I hope to see stephen kernan lifting the cup now after what the gaa has put that lad through,
??? ???
I am glad to see him get his chance to lead the club out but what has the GAA has put him through?
+1
People are too quick to blame refs others teams the CCCC ETC. As I have stated on another thread we within the GAA need to change the way we react to refs to appeals and so on.
If we take the reaction to the ref, how can we make his job easier, or how or what could he have done to make his own job easier?
I don't agree that a ref needs to book a few people early on to get control, players need to be in control of themselves and if they lose control then take the punishment, no appeals. As someone stated there is no common sense in the rule book, maybe its time that the refs were allowed to use common sense.
Quote from: get up there on March 18, 2012, 08:25:21 PM
Quote from: Gazza M on March 18, 2012, 07:30:51 PM
A great game of football and a great advert for club football. I thought the ref probably should have awarded Cross a couple of frees at the end but otherwise added to the occasion by letting the game flow. On the negative side, a shocking piece of play acting by the Cross player to try and get the GC player sent off. The GC player was crazy though and a different ref might have bought it.
you cant defend what the gc player done, should have seen red, there was thousands of kids watching ffs, I'm sure the ref is embarrassed today at his display in that final
It is early in the year, but I have seen a selection of terrible referees both live and on TV. IMO we have a refereeing crisis and part of the reason is that the powers in Croke Park refuse to see a problem with any ref. and at times it appears that the worse the referee is the more likely he is to be promoted to bigger games. The guideline at HQ appears to be that the more yellow cards are given out the better the referee is doing his job. Until Duffy, Cooney & Co. realise that we have a major problem with referees things can only get worse. As for any referee being embarrassed by his performance, that is most unlikely. Too many refs are on ego trips.
Stephen Kernan was greviously wronged, and here's hoping he and his teammates get to put that right in the replay.
The contrast with the clamour to get Diarmuid Connolly's red card in last year's All Ireland semi final couldn't have been greater.
But the fundamental problem lies with the power invested in referees' reports - they're considered as infallible. And even someone like Stephen Kernan, who by any objective view wasn't guilty of a red card offence, is then left in the almost impossible position of having to provide compelling evidence overturning the ref's report which says it was.
There's a refereeing, and discplinary crisis all right but Croke Park is disinterested in tackling it. Having elevated referees reports to infallibile status, they are too afraid of reversing that and allowing commonsense to apply.
Quote from: get up there on March 18, 2012, 08:25:21 PM
Quote from: Gazza M on March 18, 2012, 07:30:51 PM
A great game of football and a great advert for club football. I thought the ref probably should have awarded Cross a couple of frees at the end but otherwise added to the occasion by letting the game flow. On the negative side, a shocking piece of play acting by the Cross player to try and get the GC player sent off. The GC player was crazy though and a different ref might have bought it.
you cant defend what the gc player done, should have seen red, there was thousands of kids watching ffs, I'm sure the ref is embarrassed today at his display in that final
I would concur with what Gazza M wrote. I only watched the highlights so I have no opinion on the ref's overall performance but in the instance of the 'head but', the ref dealt with it very sensibly. Also I thought Cross had a fair shout for a penalty in that last goalmouth scramble when Clarke hit the post, the ball was surely handled on the ground by a Garrycastle defender. The sight of an umpire staring blankly at what transpires around the goalmouth is truly bizarre.
I find it natural to want a contest in a club final and naturally wanted Cross to have a rally, but was equally pleased that Garrycastle survived.
On the basis of chances created and missed, I'd fancy Cross for the replay. They carved open Garrycastle for 4 or 5 goal opportunities and hit 4 wides at the end. On any other day they'd have taken a few of those chances and i'd expect them to be more clinical the next day. They also know now, if they didn't previously, that they're going to have to scrap and fight for every ball to beat this team.
Im dumb-founded how some people think that the headbutt wasnt a red card offence!! Are we now saying that we can allow this sort of thing go on, every person to a man and woman at the match beside me thought it was straight red, and even more so when the highlights were shown at halftime! No-one can explain why he gave the G'castle player a yellow card! While within a few minutes of this he was flashing yellow cards for jersey pulls etc. And that is where the inconsistency lies. (and dont start me on the refs display at the Laois game on Sunday, OMG!?!?) How can you coach young people when the refs dont know the rules!
Anyway this was only 1 incident in the whole game, that the ref made a complete mess off! He was extremely harsh on Cross and a ref that applies (as someone else called it) "common sense" Cross would has alot more scorable frees and G'Castle would have had a few less!
Anyway i cant see Cross or Tony Mc whinging about it, thats not their style, they'll go away and come back stronger for it! And heres hoping Stephen Kernan can lift the cup!
A headbutt in my opinion is when a head knocks someone on the head, this was a head rub, anyone think differently is still drunk. As for the Cross player throwing himself to the ground with this head rub, I'd say he was guilty of trying to get someone sent off.
Plenty of referees on this board? I'd say there are about 5 maybe 6 actual referees and without the aid of google would struggle with many of the rules, not just the basic rules but the noting, infractions and the cautions. Referee did his best with players throwing themselves to the ground and others fouling constantly it would have made the game into a farce. If the players would play the game fairly then we would not be discussing the referee FFS!!
The problem here is that Cross' were without their captain because he made the strike and so gets the card notwithstanding the context or the opponent making a meal of it. SK might have made a difference and got the marginal point. But the Garrycastle player was not subject to the same principle of automatic red card, had he been Cross would surely have benefited from that too. The net outcome of the two incidents is unequal.
However, I expect SK will get to lift the cup. Cross played poorly for a long while in the first half on Saturday and they probably won't do so a second time, especially as it is clear that GC are formidable opponents.
Ref should have sent no10 off and booked McKeown for diving.
How many times are players sent off for striking, and how often are they actual proper punches? Most of the time they are half hearted heat of the moment type actions but still are deserving of a red. Same for this 'head rub' no matter how soft it was.
Paul Kernan's sending off was boderline ridiculous. Never a second yellow if anything a free out.
The thing that frustrates is lack of consistency within the one game and from game to game. Stephen Kernan got a straight red and missed the biggest game of his life and chance to lead out the team as captain, because the ref and the authorities think he might have done something, on the law of averages- they couldn't say definitively if he did. GC player puts the head into a Cross player right in front of the ref, call it head butt, head rub,head massage, glasgow kiss whatever, he wasn't exactly exchanging pleasantries.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 19, 2012, 01:05:14 PM
Ref should have sent no10 off and booked McKeown for diving.
I agree!
Quote from: border rabbit on March 19, 2012, 12:28:25 PM
Im dumb-founded how some people think that the headbutt wasnt a red card offence!! Are we now saying that we can allow this sort of thing go on, every person to a man and woman at the match beside me thought it was straight red, and even more so when the highlights were shown at halftime! No-one can explain why he gave the G'castle player a yellow card! While within a few minutes of this he was flashing yellow cards for jersey pulls etc. And that is where the inconsistency lies. (and dont start me on the refs display at the Laois game on Sunday, OMG!?!?) How can you coach young people when the refs dont know the rules!
Anyway this was only 1 incident in the whole game, that the ref made a complete mess off! He was extremely harsh on Cross and a ref that applies (as someone else called it) "common sense" Cross would has alot more scorable frees and G'Castle would have had a few less!
Anyway i cant see Cross or Tony Mc whinging about it, thats not their style, they'll go away and come back stronger for it! And heres hoping Stephen Kernan can lift the cup!
I think most fair minded observers would accept that on a technical definition of the rules, a red card was merited but given that the Crossmaglen man threw himself to the ground in an attempt to get the player sent off, I don't think that there was any real injustice meted out.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 19, 2012, 12:40:31 PM
A headbutt in my opinion is when a head knocks someone on the head, this was a head rub, anyone think differently is still drunk. As for the Cross player throwing himself to the ground with this head rub, I'd say he was guilty of trying to get someone sent off.
Plenty of referees on this board? I'd say there are about 5 maybe 6 actual referees and without the aid of google would struggle with many of the rules, not just the basic rules but the noting, infractions and the cautions. Referee did his best with players throwing themselves to the ground and others fouling constantly it would have made the game into a farce. If the players would play the game fairly then we would not be discussing the referee FFS!!
Lord above, I've heard it all now.
Maybe the Garrycastle no. 10 is half eskimo and he was only trying to say hello.
Quote from: Jinxy on March 19, 2012, 05:22:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 19, 2012, 12:40:31 PM
A headbutt in my opinion is when a head knocks someone on the head, this was a head rub, anyone think differently is still drunk. As for the Cross player throwing himself to the ground with this head rub, I'd say he was guilty of trying to get someone sent off.
Plenty of referees on this board? I'd say there are about 5 maybe 6 actual referees and without the aid of google would struggle with many of the rules, not just the basic rules but the noting, infractions and the cautions. Referee did his best with players throwing themselves to the ground and others fouling constantly it would have made the game into a farce. If the players would play the game fairly then we would not be discussing the referee FFS!!
Lord above, I've heard it all now.
Maybe the Garrycastle no. 10 is half eskimo and he was only trying to say hello.
Yes, probably a form of endearment in some cultures so we should give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.
Quote from: Main Street on March 19, 2012, 12:08:28 PM
Quote from: get up there on March 18, 2012, 08:25:21 PM
Quote from: Gazza M on March 18, 2012, 07:30:51 PM
A great game of football and a great advert for club football. I thought the ref probably should have awarded Cross a couple of frees at the end but otherwise added to the occasion by letting the game flow. On the negative side, a shocking piece of play acting by the Cross player to try and get the GC player sent off. The GC player was crazy though and a different ref might have bought it.
you cant defend what the gc player done, should have seen red, there was thousands of kids watching ffs, I'm sure the ref is embarrassed today at his display in that final
I would concur with what Gazza M wrote. I only watched the highlights so I have no opinion on the ref's overall performance but in the instance of the 'head but', the ref dealt with it very sensibly. Also I thought Cross had a fair shout for a penalty in that last goalmouth scramble when Clarke hit the post, the ball was surely handled on the ground by a Garrycastle defender. The sight of an umpire staring blankly at what transpires around the goalmouth is truly bizarre.
I find it natural to want a contest in a club final and naturally wanted Cross to have a rally, but was equally pleased that Garrycastle survived.
But the umpire has no function in "calling" technical fouls such as handling the ball on the ground.
Quote from: Onlooker on March 19, 2012, 10:45:49 AM
Quote from: get up there on March 18, 2012, 08:25:21 PM
Quote from: Gazza M on March 18, 2012, 07:30:51 PM
A great game of football and a great advert for club football. I thought the ref probably should have awarded Cross a couple of frees at the end but otherwise added to the occasion by letting the game flow. On the negative side, a shocking piece of play acting by the Cross player to try and get the GC player sent off. The GC player was crazy though and a different ref might have bought it.
you cant defend what the gc player done, should have seen red, there was thousands of kids watching ffs, I'm sure the ref is embarrassed today at his display in that final
It is early in the year, but I have seen a selection of terrible referees both live and on TV. IMO we have a refereeing crisis and part of the reason is that the powers in Croke Park refuse to see a problem with any ref. and at times it appears that the worse the referee is the more likely he is to be promoted to bigger games. The guideline at HQ appears to be that the more yellow cards are given out the better the referee is doing his job. Until Duffy, Cooney & Co. realise that we have a major problem with referees things can only get worse. As for any referee being embarrassed by his performance, that is most unlikely. Too many refs are on ego trips.
Whilst I agree that at best the ref was muddled in his interpretation there are two issues to consider.
1. same refs, good ones, cant do all the games. If it was Pat Mc there wouldnt be half the outcry.
2. There is general ignorance of the playing rules.
I cant see Croker telling refs to card everything. In such a scenario there would be many 12 a side or less games, There will always be a couple in every game such as the last "tackle" on saturday. Refs are not inherently bad by nature. Every ref will interpret differently in most instances.
Quote from: T Toatler on March 19, 2012, 06:40:37 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 19, 2012, 12:08:28 PM
Quote from: get up there on March 18, 2012, 08:25:21 PM
Quote from: Gazza M on March 18, 2012, 07:30:51 PM
A great game of football and a great advert for club football. I thought the ref probably should have awarded Cross a couple of frees at the end but otherwise added to the occasion by letting the game flow. On the negative side, a shocking piece of play acting by the Cross player to try and get the GC player sent off. The GC player was crazy though and a different ref might have bought it.
you cant defend what the gc player done, should have seen red, there was thousands of kids watching ffs, I'm sure the ref is embarrassed today at his display in that final
I would concur with what Gazza M wrote. I only watched the highlights so I have no opinion on the ref's overall performance but in the instance of the 'head but', the ref dealt with it very sensibly. Also I thought Cross had a fair shout for a penalty in that last goalmouth scramble when Clarke hit the post, the ball was surely handled on the ground by a Garrycastle defender. The sight of an umpire staring blankly at what transpires around the goalmouth is truly bizarre.
I find it natural to want a contest in a club final and naturally wanted Cross to have a rally, but was equally pleased that Garrycastle survived.
But the umpire has no function in "calling" technical fouls such as handling the ball on the ground.
I know, but that doesn't make it any less bizarre. I'd say empower the umpire with a few extra responsibilities, namely spotting the square ball and obvious fouls in the penalty area. Either do that or have a ref in each half.
I would say that the referee got a few things wrong, but they always do, a split second to see something and judge it, I ain't talking about the head rub, but in general. No referee goes out to have a bad game, but are players sent out to break the rules? Are they being trained/coached to do this? Makes ya think. Only the players can make the referees job easier.
They have a set of rules in Crossmaglen that is different to what all other clubs have to adhere, ie, they can do what they like and are immune from any sanctions as where other teams are guilty if they look angry at one of their players. Their diving is almost as bad as Tyrone. There were no complaints last year when Kevin Nolan got sent of in the wrong for hanratty diving, his two yellows werent even frees and cost Kilmacud the game. how many times has Tony kernan dived and got players sent off ? Did you see him stamping on the Garrycastle players hand when he was on the ground. They usually get a player sent off each game for diving. Stephen kernan struck, he got sent off, do the crime do the time.
Winnie did someone from Cross steal your woman! ;D
Will James Morgan now sit out the U21's match on Wednesday night? BCB1?
Quote from: T Toatler on March 19, 2012, 06:50:17 PM
Quote from: Onlooker on March 19, 2012, 10:45:49 AM
Quote from: get up there on March 18, 2012, 08:25:21 PM
Quote from: Gazza M on March 18, 2012, 07:30:51 PM
A great game of football and a great advert for club football. I thought the ref probably should have awarded Cross a couple of frees at the end but otherwise added to the occasion by letting the game flow. On the negative side, a shocking piece of play acting by the Cross player to try and get the GC player sent off. The GC player was crazy though and a different ref might have bought it.
you cant defend what the gc player done, should have seen red, there was thousands of kids watching ffs, I'm sure the ref is embarrassed today at his display in that final
It is early in the year, but I have seen a selection of terrible referees both live and on TV. IMO we have a refereeing crisis and part of the reason is that the powers in Croke Park refuse to see a problem with any ref. and at times it appears that the worse the referee is the more likely he is to be promoted to bigger games. The guideline at HQ appears to be that the more yellow cards are given out the better the referee is doing his job. Until Duffy, Cooney & Co. realise that we have a major problem with referees things can only get worse. As for any referee being embarrassed by his performance, that is most unlikely. Too many refs are on ego trips.
Whilst I agree that at best the ref was muddled in his interpretation there are two issues to consider.
1. same refs, good ones, cant do all the games. If it was Pat Mc there wouldnt be half the outcry.
2. There is general ignorance of the playing rules.
I cant see Croker telling refs to card everything. In such a scenario there would be many 12 a side or less games, There will always be a couple in every game such as the last "tackle" on saturday. Refs are not inherently bad by nature. Every ref will interpret differently in most instances.
Maybe that's what they're looking ?? Padraig Duffy has recently declared that they're definitely looking at introducing 13 a side.
Quote from: Winnie Peg on March 19, 2012, 09:58:59 PM
They have a set of rules in Crossmaglen that is different to what all other clubs have to adhere, ie, they can do what they like and are immune from any sanctions as where other teams are guilty if they look angry at one of their players. Their diving is almost as bad as Tyrone. There were no complaints last year when Kevin Nolan got sent of in the wrong for hanratty diving, his two yellows werent even frees and cost Kilmacud the game. how many times has Tony kernan dived and got players sent off ? Did you see him stamping on the Garrycastle players hand when he was on the ground. They usually get a player sent off each game for diving. Stephen kernan struck, he got sent off, do the crime do the time.
Get a life! Cross do alot of things but dive, yeah right! They are an honest and hard team that know their limitations but also know their strengths. You will find that most teams cant handle their intensity and physical side of the game and get drawn into something they shouldnt! If the were divers how come Jamie Clarke stayed on is feet all day instead of falling when he had men hanging from him every time he got the ball, yet that clown waved play-on, unlike Dolan who, as the papers said on Sunday, "used his experience to manufacture free" ie he was diving!!
Stephen Kernan did not strike! FACT, i was at the match and it was barely a push as the man ploughed into him after the ball was away!
Garycastle were getting away with alot off the ball too and umpires turned a blind-eye to it.
A proper ref on Sunday and Cross would have at least 3 or 4 scorable frees and GC would have had 2 or 3 less!
Heres hoping common sense prevails on Sunday and the best team wins out and we arent talking about incompetent refereeing again!!!
Quote from: border rabbit on March 19, 2012, 10:55:17 PM
Quote from: Winnie Peg on March 19, 2012, 09:58:59 PM
They have a set of rules in Crossmaglen that is different to what all other clubs have to adhere, ie, they can do what they like and are immune from any sanctions as where other teams are guilty if they look angry at one of their players. Their diving is almost as bad as Tyrone. There were no complaints last year when Kevin Nolan got sent of in the wrong for hanratty diving, his two yellows werent even frees and cost Kilmacud the game. how many times has Tony kernan dived and got players sent off ? Did you see him stamping on the Garrycastle players hand when he was on the ground. They usually get a player sent off each game for diving. Stephen kernan struck, he got sent off, do the crime do the time.
Get a life! Cross do alot of things but dive, yeah right! They are an honest and hard team that know their limitations but also know their strengths. You will find that most teams cant handle their intensity and physical side of the game and get drawn into something they shouldnt! If the were divers how come Jamie Clarke stayed on is feet all day instead of falling when he had men hanging from him every time he got the ball, yet that clown waved play-on, unlike Dolan who, as the papers said on Sunday, "used his experience to manufacture free" ie he was diving!!
Stephen Kernan did not strike! FACT, i was at the match and it was barely a push as the man ploughed into him after the ball was away!
Garycastle were getting away with alot off the ball too and umpires turned a blind-eye to it.
A proper ref on Sunday and Cross would have at least 3 or 4 scorable frees and GC would have had 2 or 3 less!
Heres hoping common sense prevails on Sunday and the best team wins out and we arent talking about incompetent refereeing again!!!
Not getting drawn into the whole arguement but the lad who got "headbutted" on Saturday went down as if he had been poleaxed. Now there was definetly contact and it was a red card offence but no where near enough for the reaction, so what would you call that?
Border rabbit, are you honestly saying that cross players don't dive. Wasn't Macentee complaining after the game that none of them "bought" a foul. Are you saying that Tony Kernan is not a diving cynical cheat. Are you saying that Tony Kernan didnt stamp on a GC players hand. Are you saying that Hanratty doesnt dive? And all that British Army stuff taking over your pitch when you cried when they left, having to go out and fundraise like the rest of us. As cynical a team as you will get anywhere in Ireland.
Quote from: oakleafgael on March 19, 2012, 11:00:22 PM
Quote from: border rabbit on March 19, 2012, 10:55:17 PM
Quote from: Winnie Peg on March 19, 2012, 09:58:59 PM
They have a set of rules in Crossmaglen that is different to what all other clubs have to adhere, ie, they can do what they like and are immune from any sanctions as where other teams are guilty if they look angry at one of their players. Their diving is almost as bad as Tyrone. There were no complaints last year when Kevin Nolan got sent of in the wrong for hanratty diving, his two yellows werent even frees and cost Kilmacud the game. how many times has Tony kernan dived and got players sent off ? Did you see him stamping on the Garrycastle players hand when he was on the ground. They usually get a player sent off each game for diving. Stephen kernan struck, he got sent off, do the crime do the time.
Get a life! Cross do alot of things but dive, yeah right! They are an honest and hard team that know their limitations but also know their strengths. You will find that most teams cant handle their intensity and physical side of the game and get drawn into something they shouldnt! If the were divers how come Jamie Clarke stayed on is feet all day instead of falling when he had men hanging from him every time he got the ball, yet that clown waved play-on, unlike Dolan who, as the papers said on Sunday, "used his experience to manufacture free" ie he was diving!!
Stephen Kernan did not strike! FACT, i was at the match and it was barely a push as the man ploughed into him after the ball was away!
Garycastle were getting away with alot off the ball too and umpires turned a blind-eye to it.
A proper ref on Sunday and Cross would have at least 3 or 4 scorable frees and GC would have had 2 or 3 less!
Heres hoping common sense prevails on Sunday and the best team wins out and we arent talking about incompetent refereeing again!!!
Not getting drawn into the whole arguement but the lad who got "headbutted" on Saturday went down as if he had been poleaxed. Now there was definetly contact and it was a red card offence but no where near enough for the reaction, so what would you call that?
There was a play with about 8-10 minutes left in the second half where Jamie was going in to what looked like would be a goal opportunity and was clotheslined by a GC player and the Ref let the play continue. No free, yellow or what should have been a red - so to say there are different rules for Cross is mute, did Cross get away with some things,yes, but I seen plenty that GC got away with. The Ref was consistent calling non-fouls - fouls and letting fouls go on as nothing happened. It seemed the harder or more challenging the hit/play the less likely he was going to call anything.
I can't wait for the reply as it should be a great match where I thought Cross would pull away in the first match but I was impressed by the way GC continued to play until the final 5minutes.
Jesus Christ, this place is getting as bad as the hoganstand, an absolute savage game on Saturday, end to end, score for score, rarely seen physicality and ye're all whinging about the referee. ::)
What about McConville's fire?
What about the battle between Dessie and Morgan?
What about the wizardry shown by Clarke when he danced by four defenders that lead to the second yellow?
What about Mulville's textbook finish?
What about Crossmaglen winning all the breaking ball in the last 15 minutes?
What about James Dolan running past two defenders like they weren't even there?
I could go on...
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 20, 2012, 10:28:19 AM
Jesus Christ, this place is getting as bad as the hoganstand, an absolute savage game on Saturday, end to end, score for score, rarely seen physicality and ye're all whinging about the referee. ::)
What about McConville's fire?
What about the battle between Dessie and Morgan?
What about the wizardry shown by Clarke when he danced by four defenders that lead to the second yellow?
What about Mulville's textbook finish?
What about Crossmaglen winning all the breaking ball in the last 15 minutes?
What about James Dolan running past two defenders like they weren't even there?
I could go on...
Couldn't agree more - for the neutral it was pulsating - a game neither team deserved to lose - GC got the chance to dethrone Cross but I fear they've missed the boat. They had the chances to win the game. Cross will be a different proposition in the replay. By the way, does anybody know when and where it's fixed for ??
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 20, 2012, 10:28:19 AM
Jesus Christ, this place is getting as bad as the hoganstand, an absolute savage game on Saturday, end to end, score for score, rarely seen physicality and ye're all whinging about the referee. ::)
What about McConville's fire?
What about the battle between Dessie and Morgan?
What about the wizardry shown by Clarke when he danced by four defenders that lead to the second yellow?
What about Mulville's textbook finish?
What about Crossmaglen winning all the breaking ball in the last 15 minutes?
What about James Dolan running past two defenders like they weren't even there?
I could go on...
Agreed completely. As much as I roared at the fecker the referee wasn't the difference between either team winning or losing. I watched the game twice since Saturday and I still think its as good a game as there has been at any level in the last few years. Some of the movement in the forwards by both teams was exceptional. I have to say that Garrycastle were everything that I expected and I would also like to say I would ersonally have loved to play in that game with that particular referee, I would have had great fun altogether ;D
The 2 sendings off were dubious though I would say on relation to McHughs second yellow he had made at least 4 tickable offences, on top of the first yellow, and the ref I think was just about right on the basis of persistent fouling. His first yellow was a clear one. PK's first yellow was touch and go as he made a genuine attempt to block the ball and did actually connect with the ball, he just caught the man's leg too. Second yellow wasn't even a free. The 'head-butt' was a clear straight red card and I have spoken to 2 referees about that and they both stated that. They also bot stated that Aaron Cunningham should have seen red also for dangerous play.
For what it is worth, although Garrycastle were the better team in the first half I don't think is as clear cut as people might like to suggest. Up to the 22nd both teams traded points and I think at the time of the goal it was 7-6 in favour of Garycastle. We had opened their FB line up at least twice, Jamie shot a point when a goal chance was on and AK couldn't get his pass to young Brennan who had an one on one with the keeper. Garrycastle took the goal at a crucial time and I think it sugar coated their dominance a small bit. In saying that though we were not getting our flowing game going really due to their hard work and hard tackling which eveidentally took its toll from the 40th minute on. We missed serious chances in the last 10 minutes and really should have wrapped the game up but in fairness to Garrycastle they put us back well by going 2 ahead again after we pulled it level. I was screaming at the top of my voice for someone to pull down James Dolan once he started his run that lead to the free. Johnny Waah did it to Dolan and it was a worthwhile yellow. A draw was a fair result as both teams played well in patches over the hour and while I would have loved to win it out Garrycastle deserve another rattle at it.
Replay to be fixed tonight with lots of rumblings that it will be Navan on Saturday 31st.
Quote from: Syferus on March 18, 2012, 01:18:56 AM
The Cross player was going head to head with the Garrycastle player and he saw the ref and decided he was a Olympic diver rather than a gaelic footballer. Look at it again; the Garrycastle player's head went forward when the Cross player started going down, it was simply the pressure he was applying to be pushing against the Cross player's forehead. There was no malicious intent beyond that. In motion it looked horrible but in reality the Cross player was trying to draw the red card.
Whatever the letter of the law, the referee made the right choice in just giving the Garrycastle player a yellow. It showed the one trait most referees lack: common sense.
Absolute rubbish, watch it again. Undoubtedly McKeown needled the GC player, but the law is clear headbutting is straight red. Hickey showed extreme bias in the first half against Cross, and again with some of his calls in the second half most notably on the penalty decision where the GC player clearly played the ball on the deck. He was inconsistent at best. Lest we believe that this type of reffing is the sole preserve of Rory Hickey, Joe McQuillan gave a similar inconsistent approach to cards in yesterdays McCrory final. The GAA needs to work on training and developing refs. Part of the problem is that they only allow a small number of the panel to refs at the highest level and the purpose of the assessor seems to be to punish Refs rather than be part of a process of teaching and improving.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 20, 2012, 10:51:33 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 20, 2012, 10:28:19 AM
Jesus Christ, this place is getting as bad as the hoganstand, an absolute savage game on Saturday, end to end, score for score, rarely seen physicality and ye're all whinging about the referee. ::)
What about McConville's fire?
What about the battle between Dessie and Morgan?
What about the wizardry shown by Clarke when he danced by four defenders that lead to the second yellow?
What about Mulville's textbook finish?
What about Crossmaglen winning all the breaking ball in the last 15 minutes?
What about James Dolan running past two defenders like they weren't even there?
I could go on...
Agreed completely. As much as I roared at the fecker the referee wasn't the difference between either team winning or losing. I watched the game twice since Saturday and I still think its as good a game as there has been at any level in the last few years. Some of the movement in the forwards by both teams was exceptional. I have to say that Garrycastle were everything that I expected and I would also like to say I would ersonally have loved to play in that game with that particular referee, I would have had great fun altogether ;D
The 2 sendings off were dubious though I would say on relation to McHughs second yellow he had made at least 4 tickable offences, on top of the first yellow, and the ref I think was just about right on the basis of persistent fouling. His first yellow was a clear one. PK's first yellow was touch and go as he made a genuine attempt to block the ball and did actually connect with the ball, he just caught the man's leg too. Second yellow wasn't even a free. The 'head-butt' was a clear straight red card and I have spoken to 2 referees about that and they both stated that. They also bot stated that Aaron Cunningham should have seen red also for dangerous play.
For what it is worth, although Garrycastle were the better team in the first half I don't think is as clear cut as people might like to suggest. Up to the 22nd both teams traded points and I think at the time of the goal it was 7-6 in favour of Garycastle. We had opened their FB line up at least twice, Jamie shot a point when a goal chance was on and AK couldn't get his pass to young Brennan who had an one on one with the keeper. Garrycastle took the goal at a crucial time and I think it sugar coated their dominance a small bit. In saying that though we were not getting our flowing game going really due to their hard work and hard tackling which eveidentally took its toll from the 40th minute on. We missed serious chances in the last 10 minutes and really should have wrapped the game up but in fairness to Garrycastle they put us back well by going 2 ahead again after we pulled it level. I was screaming at the top of my voice for someone to pull down James Dolan once he started his run that lead to the free. Johnny Waah did it to Dolan and it was a worthwhile yellow. A draw was a fair result as both teams played well in patches over the hour and while I would have loved to win it out Garrycastle deserve another rattle at it.
Replay to be fixed tonight with lots of rumblings that it will be Navan on Saturday 31st.
Fair play bcb, reasoned analysis. Only seen it once myself since but it'll be getting another couple of watchings, it was that good, rare a game as great graces a final. The view on camera was different from the one from the Cusack, the superb game I thought Shaugho had didn't really show up on viewing the recording. Also Kernan's second yellow on camera didn't look a foul wheras from the Cusack it looked like he hauled Gary down. I gave a few shouts myself at the ref but found myself midway through the second half perversely enjoying his handling of the game, he just let the players get on with it and it was a joy to behold.
I think the referee was right with the head incident though. While I'm positive the majority of referee's would have brandished the red card (and I was waiting for it in the stand even though I was a good distance away) it was a push with the head for me, no strike. Same as the Connolly incident in the AI semi last year which got overturned, that was a push with closed fists, not a strike.
I thought the Garrycastle backline were magnificent in the last 5 mins, in their first AI final, with their backs to the wall and Crossmaglen winning everything in midfield and coming at them in waves, they stood up to the challenge and forced them to shoot from crazy positions.
All set up for a fascinating replay, both teams will feel they have scope for improvement. I'm sure Garrycastle will look at their kickouts and the breaking ball. Gary Dolan's hammer will hopefully have improved for the next day and of course Stephen will come back in. I'd say it'll be Navan alright, Breffni a better venue but Navan is more equidistant.
Brilliant game, really enjoyed it. Haven't had the chance to watch it back but from my seat in the corner of the Hogan I thought the ref rode Cross though reading back the posts BCB1's take on it is probably correct. The consistency is the problem. If you let "anything goes" tackling happen it has to be for the full game and to be honest that's the way it should be. Use it or lose it, don't be giving frees/cards for pathetic incidents with little contact followed by a dive.
One incident Croi mentioned there - Jamie Clarke floating by the assorted defenders leading to the second booking - will stay with me forever. I just don't know how he kept control of the ball at that sprred under that pressure. You'd watch games at times and think "at my very best I could maybe do that" but there is absolutely no way I could ever manage what he did. Pure genius.
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 20, 2012, 11:55:25 AM
One incident Croi mentioned there - Jamie Clarke floating by the assorted defenders leading to the second booking - will stay with me forever. I just don't know how he kept control of the ball at that sprred under that pressure. You'd watch games at times and think "at my very best I could maybe do that" but there is absolutely no way I could ever manage what he did. Pure genius.
don't be so hard on yourself Seanie, I'd say you might give it a go, just be careful though that you don't hurt the u12s when you're doing it ;D Jamie had a good first half in terms of scores but in the second half he was just not getting his ranger. For anyone too that would say that he didn't play as well as he can, 8 of Cross scores came directly from him either taking the score, winning the free of giving the last pass. Not bad.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 20, 2012, 12:24:32 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 20, 2012, 11:55:25 AM
One incident Croi mentioned there - Jamie Clarke floating by the assorted defenders leading to the second booking - will stay with me forever. I just don't know how he kept control of the ball at that sprred under that pressure. You'd watch games at times and think "at my very best I could maybe do that" but there is absolutely no way I could ever manage what he did. Pure genius.
don't be so hard on yourself Seanie, I'd say you might give it a go, just be careful though that you don't hurt the u12s when you're doing it ;D Jamie had a good first half in terms of scores but in the second half he was just not getting his ranger. For anyone too that would say that he didn't play as well as he can, 8 of Cross scores came directly from him either taking the score, winning the free of giving the last pass. Not bad.
Yeah, he's a special talent. He can be behind his man and still win the ball when it's kicked in which is great comfort for the lads out the field. He didn't convert a couple of chances he'd normally bury but he had a pretty good game.
Replay 31st March 5pm in Breffni Park
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 20, 2012, 02:27:26 PM
Replay 31st March 5pm in Breffni Park
To the home of football then!!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 20, 2012, 02:27:26 PM
Replay 31st March 5pm in Breffni Park
Ulster team v Leinster team & it's played in Ulster will the GAA also select a Ulster ref ;)
Only fair - drawn game was played in Leinster...
Quote from: Winnie Peg on March 19, 2012, 09:58:59 PM
They have a set of rules in Crossmaglen that is different to what all other clubs have to adhere, ie, they can do what they like and are immune from any sanctions as where other teams are guilty if they look angry at one of their players. Their diving is almost as bad as Tyrone. There were no complaints last year when Kevin Nolan got sent of in the wrong for hanratty diving, his two yellows werent even frees and cost Kilmacud the game. how many times has Tony kernan dived and got players sent off ? Did you see him stamping on the Garrycastle players hand when he was on the ground. They usually get a player sent off each game for diving. Stephen kernan struck, he got sent off, do the crime do the time.
Showing your anti Cross bias again.
You are a real jealous hoor
I'm a little surprised by the venue. I figured they'd be back to HQ. I know it won't be expected to draw a big crowd but the prestige factor meant I thought they'd do it in Croker again.
2007 All Ireland final replay between Crossmaglen and Dr Crokes was played in Portlaoise.
Next Saturday then ?
Cross by 5
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A great game of football and a great advert for club football. I thought the ref probably should have awarded Cross a couple of frees at the end but otherwise added to the occasion by letting the game flow. On the negative side, a shocking piece of play acting by the Cross player to try and get the GC player sent off. The GC player was crazy though and a different ref might have bought it.
you cant defend what the gc player done, should have seen red, there was thousands of kids watching ffs, I'm sure the ref is embarrassed today at his display in that final
I would concur with what Gazza M wrote. I only watched the highlights so I have no opinion on the ref's overall performance but in the instance of the 'head but', the ref dealt with it very sensibly. Also I thought Cross had a fair shout for a penalty in that last goalmouth scramble when Clarke hit the post, the ball was surely handled on the ground by a Garrycastle defender. The sight of an umpire staring blankly at what transpires around the goalmouth is truly bizarre.
I find it natural to want a contest in a club final and naturally wanted Cross to have a rally, but was equally pleased that Garrycastle survived.
But the umpire has no function in "calling" technical fouls such as handling the ball on the ground.
I know, but that doesn't make it any less bizarre. I'd say empower the umpire with a few extra responsibilities, namely spotting the square ball and obvious fouls in the penalty area. Either do that or have a ref in each half.
Nice idea in theory, but the umpires can't handle the responsibilities they already have.
Any word on free entry for Season Ticket holders?
Quote from: AFS on March 25, 2012, 06:40:08 PM
Any word on free entry for Season Ticket holders?
No word as yet - hopefully the replay will be included
have got great value out of the season ticket this year
Quote from: AFS on March 25, 2012, 06:40:08 PM
Any word on free entry for Season Ticket holders?
There is nothing free in the GAA ;)
A question about season tickets? Can you cancel your ticket when the league is over, or will you be charged for any championship game your county is in?
Quote from: BennyCake on March 26, 2012, 12:35:04 AM
A question about season tickets? Can you cancel your ticket when the league is over, or will you be charged for any championship game your county is in?
You can cancel but you've already paid for the first championship game.
will the game be televised
The All Ireland Colleges B Final involving St Paul's Bessbrook is the curtain raiser. Hopefully the Cross supporters will get in early and give plenty of support to the St Paul's lads
Martyimus, Maximux Cuntyius Duffyum is the ref for the replay. Expect many cartaí buí agus dearg :'(
Maybe not given the whole furore over the original fixture and referees in subsequent matches I wouldn't be surprised if Marty is told to let it go unless it's really obvious.
Could some of the Cavan posters suggest somewhere to park in Town Centre within walking distance of Breffni.
My wife wants to do some shopping prior to the game.
There is a Multi story carpark in the middle of town. A walk up to Breffni park from there (a 10 minutes stroll) as long as you don't slip into a pub on the way.
Armaghniac, A chara
Use your Season Ticket Card to gain entry to the AIB Senior Football Club All Ireland Final Replay(details below):
Crossmaglen Rangers V Garrycastle
Breffni Park,Cavan at 5pm
Season Ticket Stiles 26, 47, 38 (One on each side of venue)
The oul seasoner is good value this year, especially when Armagh qualify for the league semi-finals!!!! ;)
I've written a preview for anyone interested http://action81.com/blog/?p=5652
Good stuff.
One comment ... comments on here and elsewhere in advance of the draw regarding Garrycastles midfield were along the lines of 'best midfield seen at this level in years'. They were wiped in the drawn game and while the talking-up of them before the draw was overdone, I can't see them being wiped again. The very wide open spaces of Croker along with it being a very 'fast' pitch did not suit them and I would be surprised if they did not have more of an influence in the replay.
Perhaps although I think the wide open space helped their high line as well as Cross had more work to do to get the ball upfield. I know Croker is the maximum dimensions, or close to it, any idea how much smaller Breffni Park is? Having gone to quite a few games this year the variance in pitch size around the county grounds really is something.
OK, I know this question may irritate Shane's nose like a wire toilet brush, but any of you lads/lassies know what radio station is carrying the match? Thanks.
Quote from: blast05 on March 29, 2012, 10:51:11 PM
Good stuff.
One comment ... comments on here and elsewhere in advance of the draw regarding Garrycastles midfield were along the lines of 'best midfield seen at this level in years'. They were wiped in the drawn game and while the talking-up of them before the draw was overdone, I can't see them being wiped again. The very wide open spaces of Croker along with it being a very 'fast' pitch did not suit them and I would be surprised if they did not have more of an influence in the replay.
Croke Park dimensions 144m x 86m
Breffni Park 143m x 86m.
Pitch size is not going to be an issue and they are a similar surface so if it is "faster" or "slower" I don't know but I don't see the oitch being the winning and losing of the midfield battle. I would suggest that the level of work rate around the lose ball will be the winning and losing of the midfield.
Quote from: Oraisteach on March 30, 2012, 02:15:36 AM
OK, I know this question may irritate Shane's nose like a wire toilet brush, but any of you lads/lassies know what radio station is carrying the match? Thanks.
You may not thank me but Northern Sound or their sister station Shannonside may be doing it.
Northern Sound - http://www.northernsound.ie/liveapp.php
Shannonside - http://www.shannonside.ie/liveapp.php
Thank you, Denn
Midlands are bound to be covering it seeing as it's a Westmeath team.
Wouldn't really expect Shannonside to do any more than update reports.
But aren't Athlone and Lough Ree in Westmeath and doesn't the Shannon flows through them?
And remember Lough Ree, where the 3 counties meet, Longford, Westmeath and Roscommon.
Midlands Radio - http://dev.sharp-stream.com/stuarttest/midlands103.html
It's a very wide river down around them parts .
However if Willie Hegarty wants to go out to the spot in Lough Ree where the 3 Counties meet.....
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 27, 2012, 09:13:28 AM
Martyimus, Maximux Cuntyius Duffyum is the ref for the replay. Expect many cartaí buí agus dearg :'(
couldnt have described him better myself
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Quote from: blast05 on March 29, 2012, 10:51:11 PM
Good stuff.
One comment ... comments on here and elsewhere in advance of the draw regarding Garrycastles midfield were along the lines of 'best midfield seen at this level in years'. They were wiped in the drawn game and while the talking-up of them before the draw was overdone, I can't see them being wiped again. The very wide open spaces of Croker along with it being a very 'fast' pitch did not suit them and I would be surprised if they did not have more of an influence in the replay.
Croke Park dimensions 144m x 86m
Breffni Park 143m x 86m.
Pitch size is not going to be an issue and they are a similar surface so if it is "faster" or "slower" I don't know but I don't see the oitch being the winning and losing of the midfield battle. I would suggest that the level of work rate around the lose ball will be the winning and losing of the midfield.
Wow. I've played a few times in Breffini years back but time must be playing tricks with my memories.!
Still don't see it playing as fast as Croker though despite all the good weather
To BC and Crossmaglen Rangers, all the best, now get out there and consolidate your position as the single greatest club team of all time.
Quote from: stew on March 31, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
To BC and Crossmaglen Rangers, all the best, now get out there and consolidate your position as the single greatest club team of all time.
Would this not be considered a 'new' Crossmaglen team? The majority would have 1, maybe 2 All-Ireland medals? Could hardy be considered a better team than their predecessors (yet!).
Think Cross will put great emphasis on making a good start. If they can do that, then I can't see them being beaten.
any easy way to watch it on tg4 website from abroad?? cant get to a bar to watch it
Good luck to cross. Bring back the all ireland.p
Dé Sathairn, 31.03
BEO
Craobh Club AIB - Cluiche Ceannais Peile (Athimirt)
Caisleán an Gharraí (An Iarmhí) -vs- Raonaithe na Croise (Ard Mhacha)
Páirc Bhreffni, An Cabhán - 17:00
Hopefully St Paul's victory has set the tone. Come on Cross!
Quote from: Denn Forever on March 30, 2012, 07:00:07 PM
But aren't Athlone and Lough Ree in Westmeath and doesn't the Shannon flows through them?
And remember Lough Ree, where the 3 counties meet, Longford, Westmeath and Roscommon.
Midlands Radio - http://dev.sharp-stream.com/stuarttest/midlands103.html
For those abroad, this is the one working unless you want the death notices.
Well Garrycastle, if you want to give it.........you have to take it!
Garrycastle are way too wound up.
Wouldn't be surprised if one of them did something stupid.
Their main tactic seems to be trying to get a cross man sent off
Those kind of tactics only come back to bite you against Cross who were mind you a wee bit like it the last day.
If Clarke gets the ball a score will happen. How much or if Cross win probably depends on how much ball they get to him...
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Quote from: stew on March 31, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
To BC and Crossmaglen Rangers, all the best, now get out there and consolidate your position as the single greatest club team of all time.
Would this not be considered a 'new' Crossmaglen team? The majority would have 1, maybe 2 All-Ireland medals? Could hardy be considered a better team than their predecessors (yet!).
Think Cross will put great emphasis on making a good start. If they can do that, then I can't see them being beaten.
I meant overall, as in the greatest club ever, regardless of vintage.
Hanratty is flying and playing well so far!
Great goal there. Game over.
As good as cross are - excellent - I can't support any team that does the amount of trash talking they are at. Its a good job johnny hanratty isn't miked up - every time a gc player makes a mistake he's over in his face slabbering. Rotten stuff altogether
Cross' passing has been fantastic
It was over for Garrycastle when the last game finished.
If Cross are true to form, there'll be no let up, could be a hiding on the cards.
a great example of how to do your talkin on the pitch
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 31, 2012, 05:24:30 PM
As good as cross are - excellent - I can't support any team that does the amount of trash talking they are at. Its a good job johnny hanratty isn't miked up - every time a gc player makes a mistake he's over in his face slabbering. Rotten stuff altogether
True - would always favour the ulster team but very hard to like them the way they get on. Awesome team and no need for it.
Far too strong physically with no. 14 for garrycastle seemingly the only boy who can stand up to it. Boys getting flattened with, fair, shoulder charges everywhere.
AK and Jamie Clarke a class apart.
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Quote from: shark on March 31, 2012, 02:57:35 PM
Quote from: stew on March 31, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
To BC and Crossmaglen Rangers, all the best, now get out there and consolidate your position as the single greatest club team of all time.
Would this not be considered a 'new' Crossmaglen team? The majority would have 1, maybe 2 All-Ireland medals? Could hardy be considered a better team than their predecessors (yet!).
Think Cross will put great emphasis on making a good start. If they can do that, then I can't see them being beaten.
I meant overall, as in the greatest club ever, regardless of vintage.
Hanratty is flying and playing well so far!
Ah sorry, I misread you.
They will still be 1 title behind Nemo Rangers after today though, and that's the only tangible way you can measure such a thing. I'd expect them to surpass that in the coming years though.
Once Cross got the good start, that was it. Dolan will drop deeper and deeper and diminish his scoring threat.
All one-way traffic - as good as over at half-time.
Garrycastle getting away with a lot of stuff. No wonder Cross are giving it loads.
Duffy certainly hasnt improved. Some poor decisions.
Ahh, should have gone to Castlebar ... and free in ! Jinxy is spot on..... Garrycastle way too wound up and are physically flat as a consequence. Too much nervous energy spent in the hours leading up to the match it looks like.
You've got to admire Cross but nothing disgusts me more than thrash talking.
Prediction ... I was going to say just 5 but having seen the Gcastle body language since they came out I'd say 15.
What happened in the parade when the Cross fella went down, was at the bar!!
The Pansy Cross lads (no. 4) went to show he was a man with a shoulder on Dolan and fell like a sack a spuds!
Cross are home and dry, to do what they just did to the second best team in the country is astonishing, not a chance in hell Garrycastle come back against Cross, they have come back before, but not against a team like Cross!
Duffy is shite. What a poor decision. Great skill by the cross back.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 31, 2012, 05:54:26 PM
The Pansy Cross lads (no. 4) went to show he was a man with a shoulder on Dolan and fell like a sack a spuds!
Disgraceful refereeing. All he is doing is encouraging cheating.
Garrycastle number 6 is an awful weakling - loses the ball any time there's contact
anyone have a stream?
Awesome.
Training ground stuff!
Heads are up and heads are down. :-\
Garrycastle deserve all they get here. really sickening the Brits are winning again!!
Why dont county teams try and play like Cross instead of defensive shite?
Quote from: shark on March 31, 2012, 05:43:32 PM
Quote from: stew on March 31, 2012, 05:17:48 PM
Quote from: shark on March 31, 2012, 02:57:35 PM
Quote from: stew on March 31, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
To BC and Crossmaglen Rangers, all the best, now get out there and consolidate your position as the single greatest club team of all time.
Would this not be considered a 'new' Crossmaglen team? The majority would have 1, maybe 2 All-Ireland medals? Could hardy be considered a better team than their predecessors (yet!).
Think Cross will put great emphasis on making a good start. If they can do that, then I can't see them being beaten.
I meant overall, as in the greatest club ever, regardless of vintage.
Hanratty is flying and playing well so far!
Ah sorry, I misread you.
They will still be 1 title behind Nemo Rangers after today though, and that's the only tangible way you can measure such a thing. I'd expect them to surpass that in the coming years though.
Once Cross got the good start, that was it. Dolan will drop deeper and deeper and diminish his scoring threat.
Good point Shark, but it won't be too long before Cross overtake them, they are unreal, Oisin is still in fantastic form and could do a job for the County. This is murder at this stage, Cross are unstoppable! :) :)
Quote from: stew on March 31, 2012, 05:55:46 PM
Cross are home and dry, to do what they just did to the second best team in the country is astonishing, not a chance in hell Garrycastle come back against Cross, they have come back before, but not against a team like Cross!
Crossmaglen played the second best in the semi final.
I see mammy and daddy have let some people use the computer for their designated hour!
Duffy won't send anyone off
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 31, 2012, 06:07:50 PM
Garrycastle deserve all they get here. really sickening the Brits are winning again!!
????
Earth, water, wind, fire and then there was crossmaglen
When the Garycastle manager said that Cross aren't all they're cracked up to be[or words to that effect] i knew he'd have to eat his words.
Crossmaglen were top class today, their style of football is a joy to watch. I suppose i'll have to forgive them now for making me wait a few weeks to collect my winnings !
Well done Cross.
Hats off to them.
There'll never be another team like them.
Fifteen points! Jaysus, club football in Ireland must be very poor.
Quote from: AFS on March 31, 2012, 06:49:53 PM
Fifteen points! Jaysus, club football in Ireland must be very poor.
You've been waiting a while to use that one ;)
after all the rubbish about the standard of club football in the rest of Armagh, do we now assume that the standard of club football in the rest of the country is crap or do we now accept Cross are an exception team? The ogs, dominate and St Pats would have co titles if they weren't from Armagh. Outside of the nab that was crossmaglen's biggest win of the year by far
First half display by Cross was unreal football. Best display of kick passing I've seen from a team in a long time and proved that moving the ball long, accurately and at speed can be successful. None of this slow lateral sideways handpassing movements that is al too often seen at county level.
After half time it was just a case of how much. Jamie Clarke will be the best forward in Ireland within 2-3 years.
A joyous day. Cross run rampant and Stew makes a reappearance. All I need is Ohio State tonight. Wish I could have seen today's match but the Midlands commentary was exciting.
Haha ard chieftan I totally agree. Heard the garrycastle manager make that statement and thought oh dear that's a mistake...lol....you will regret that statement.....cross upped it big time today...garrycastle were very poor with some poor players on their team making lots of errors which you cannot do against cross. Lots of diving and simulation from both teams ......not good to see...people pretending to be really hurt when there was nothing wrong with them...just to get the other team in trouble.
Well done Cross. You would expect them to add a lot more to their all Ireland tally over the coming years.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 31, 2012, 07:00:26 PM
First half display by Cross was unreal football. Best display of kick passing I've seen from a team in a long time and proved that moving the ball long, accurately and at speed can be successful. None of this slow lateral sideways handpassing movements that is al too often seen at county level.
Of course its successful, noone ever doubted that,its just the skill levels required to do it are doubted.
Interesting to note they dont pay any heed to the adage 'take your points...', they go for goal if theres a hint of it at all, right the way through the club championship
Cross struggle against Dublin teams but outside of that there isn't much else in the country to trouble them.
I was very disappointed by Garycastle today. Their tactics seem to have been to forget the footbal and hit Cross as hard as possible.
Well done Stephen Kernan and your team.
Do you think mebbe Cross played for the draw the first day so Stephen would get to lift the trophy as he deserved to? :P
Great performance by Cross but this was after a replay and last year St. Brigids were very close to them. There'll be plenty of teams that'll fancy their chances against Cross and it'll be a very hard campaign if they're going to make it three-in-a-row.
There will be plenty of teams that fancy themselves against Cross. Most of them will be wrong. It only takes one, of course.
Syferus, I think it's a very hard campaign when you win any All-Ireland, don't you think? Cross will have enough to handle in Armagh and Ulster, never mind in the semis and final.
Quote from: hardstation on March 31, 2012, 08:00:46 PM
Some Garrycastle players weren't even wearing proper socks. In an AI final ffs!
I'd be more worried about getting embarrassed in an AI final...
Theres a reason for it, I'm sure they didnt just forget, be they ankle supports or something
Quote from: Syferus on March 31, 2012, 08:03:52 PM
Great performance by Cross but this was after a replay and last year St. Brigids were very close to them. There'll be plenty of teams that'll fancy their chances against Cross and it'll be a very hard campaign if they're going to make it three-in-a-row.
The perennial parlour game, find an angle to produce an argument to suggest Crossmaglen are n't as good as their record suggests! There are plenty of teams who 'fancy their chances against Cross',however the vast majority can't even put themselves in a position to get to play Cross', those that do find only a very select few come out on top!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: AFS on March 31, 2012, 06:49:53 PM
Fifteen points! Jaysus, club football in Ireland must be very poor.
Lol
Quote from: bigpaul on March 31, 2012, 08:17:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 31, 2012, 08:03:52 PM
Great performance by Cross but this was after a replay and last year St. Brigids were very close to them. There'll be plenty of teams that'll fancy their chances against Cross and it'll be a very hard campaign if they're going to make it three-in-a-row.
The perennial parlour game, find an angle to produce an argument to suggest Crossmaglen are n't as good as their record suggests! There are plenty of teams who 'fancy their chances against Cross',however the vast majority can't even put themselves in a position to get to play Cross', those that do find only a very select few come out on top!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus, the size that chip on your shoulder must cost you an extra seat on buses and trains!
Well done cross. Glad to see it. :)
Well done to Cross! the bench mark of club football & they raised the bar even further with that display today, no doubt they will supass Nemo's record within the next few years. For Garrycastle the fairytale story has no happy ending but they should be proud of their efforts especially bringing Cross to a replay.
Well done to Cross, thing that sticks in my mind most (apart from some terrible Hearty kickouts) was Paul Kernan being helped off near the end, he was prepared to put everything on the line. My heart then sank as i realised Harps are next up for them in the championship.
Quote from: Syferus on March 31, 2012, 08:45:06 PM
Quote from: bigpaul on March 31, 2012, 08:17:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 31, 2012, 08:03:52 PM
Great performance by Cross but this was after a replay and last year St. Brigids were very close to them. There'll be plenty of teams that'll fancy their chances against Cross and it'll be a very hard campaign if they're going to make it three-in-a-row.
The perennial parlour game, find an angle to produce an argument to suggest Crossmaglen are n't as good as their record suggests! There are plenty of teams who 'fancy their chances against Cross',however the vast majority can't even put themselves in a position to get to play Cross', those that do find only a very select few come out on top!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus, the size that chip on your shoulder must cost you an extra seat on buses and trains!
Thank the Good Lord for remote analysis, didn't even notice the chip myself far less realise that others could,don't use buses or trains! Seriously though, where where do you think Igot the chip? ;)
Well done Cross. Garrycastle took the wrong options from the start.
That Cross team is awesome for a club team. Jamie Clarke hardly got a sniff and they had 4/5 other forwards taking points at will in the 2nd half and their accuracy was unreal. Scary thing is, I don't think they really got out of third gear today.
Did some people think they were finished when Francie and the McEntees quit?
I think any club in Ireland should use this team/game as a benchmark as these guys should be shooting for 5 in a row.
Quote from: hardstation on March 31, 2012, 08:17:47 PM
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Quote from: hardstation on March 31, 2012, 08:00:46 PM
Some Garrycastle players weren't even wearing proper socks. In an AI final ffs!
I'd be more worried about getting embarrassed in an AI final...
Theres a reason for it, I'm sure they didnt just forget, be they ankle supports or something
Ankle supports? Thon's a pair of Wilson tennis socks - 3 pairs for £1.
Reminds me of u12 matches against Ardoyne years ago.
I could name a right few teams wearing celtic shorts, tracksuit bottoms, trainers, basketball shorts etc. Some craic but complete waste of a game as they were usually shite!
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Quote from: haranguerer on March 31, 2012, 08:15:09 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 31, 2012, 08:00:46 PM
Some Garrycastle players weren't even wearing proper socks. In an AI final ffs!
I'd be more worried about getting embarrassed in an AI final...
Theres a reason for it, I'm sure they didnt just forget, be they ankle supports or something
Ankle supports? Thon's a pair of Wilson tennis socks - 3 pairs for £1.
Reminds me of u12 matches against Ardoyne years ago.
I could name a right few teams wearing celtic shorts, tracksuit bottoms, trainers, basketball shorts etc. Some craic but complete waste of a game as they were usually shite!
I just find it mad that a boy lines out for his club in an All Ireland final wearing a pair of Wilson tennis socks. WTF?
Two boys actually in one of those photos were seen wearing Wilson tennis socks. IN AN ALL IRELAND FINAL......mental!
Well done Cross. Some club.
Phenomenal a privilege to watch. I wonder how they'd cope with a full strength derrytresk though.
Quote from: rrhf on March 31, 2012, 09:43:03 PM
Phenomenal a privilege to watch. I wonder how they'd cope with a full strength derrytresk though.
No contest. Game abandoned.
Quote from: hardstation on March 31, 2012, 09:43:57 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 31, 2012, 09:40:20 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 31, 2012, 09:33:00 PM
Quote from: Gold on March 31, 2012, 09:24:19 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 31, 2012, 08:17:47 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on March 31, 2012, 08:15:09 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 31, 2012, 08:00:46 PM
Some Garrycastle players weren't even wearing proper socks. In an AI final ffs!
I'd be more worried about getting embarrassed in an AI final...
Theres a reason for it, I'm sure they didnt just forget, be they ankle supports or something
Ankle supports? Thon's a pair of Wilson tennis socks - 3 pairs for £1.
Reminds me of u12 matches against Ardoyne years ago.
I could name a right few teams wearing celtic shorts, tracksuit bottoms, trainers, basketball shorts etc. Some craic but complete waste of a game as they were usually shite!
I just find it mad that a boy lines out for his club in an All Ireland final wearing a pair of Wilson tennis socks. WTF?
Two boys actually in one of those photos were seen wearing Wilson tennis socks. IN AN ALL IRELAND FINAL......mental!
It f**king is mental! Is it even allowed in the rules?
Its probably allowed but I'd say there will be fines imposed. I honestly can't remember the last time I played a GAA match where a lad lined out wearing tennis socks. Its almost like wearing no socks!
Quote from: muppet on March 31, 2012, 09:40:43 PM
Well done Cross. Some club.
agreed - great team, great club. they desersve every accolade being heaped on them.
Garrycastle were a joke. a team of cagefighters or heavyweight boxera with footballing ability could turn up and try and take on Cross at the physical battle - and still lose !
Quote from: hardstation on March 31, 2012, 08:00:46 PM
Some Garrycastle players weren't even wearing proper socks. In an AI final ffs!
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Disgraceful carry on. >:(
Quote from: hardstation on March 31, 2012, 08:17:47 PM
Ankle supports? Thon's a pair of Wilson tennis socks - 3 pairs for £1.
Reminds me of u12 matches against Ardoyne years ago.
I bet if you look hard enough you'll find a third player wearing them.
Mean Westmeath hoors!
It's called losing 'in style'.
Quote from: hardstation on March 31, 2012, 11:52:08 PM
I just don't get it. If our club was in an All Ireland final, it would more important that you were wearing the proper club gear than actually winning the match.
That's probably why Buffers Alley beat us in 1989 with Tony Doran wearing his long johns and slippers.
The sun beds are generally flat out for McCooey teams anyway so it would be mental coming up to an AI campaign!
Quite a common occurance in training wearing the sports socks due to comfort and feel, but agree it is strange to wear just said socks in an ai final. If the third person you are referring to there is Clarke, he has his club socks on as well as the others ;)
I might be wrong but Garrycastle have broken one of the rules of Gaa. Will they be fined foir not wearing club colours?
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Quote from: supersub on April 01, 2012, 01:17:54 AM
Quite a common occurance in training wearing the sports socks due to comfort and feel, but agree it is strange to wear just said socks in an ai final. If the third person you are referring to there is Clarke, he has his club socks on as well as the others ;)
I think what he means by the third person is that it was 3 for a pound and they have split it as they are tight. Clarke is wearing proper club socks.
Ridiculous.
Times hard lads, there's a recession on!!
Quote from: here comes 6 on April 01, 2012, 07:57:16 AM
I might be wrong but Garrycastle have broken one of the rules of Gaa. Will they be fined foir not wearing club colours?
Aye, Crossmolina were hit with a fine a few years back when Ciaran McDonald wore different socks. Think the fine was pretty substantial for a club - 5k maybe?
Cant remember
Quote from: here comes 6 on April 01, 2012, 07:57:16 AM
I might be wrong but Garrycastle have broken one of the rules of Gaa. Will they be fined foir not wearing club colours?
It was the club final. The whole concept of "club" is togetherness and identity is part of that. Crossmaglen understand this, Garrycastle possibly do not. Hardly made a difference to the result but the culture of a unified club like Crossmaglen is there for all to see - and try to emulate.
Cross are some outfit, granted i only managed to watch the first half yesterday, but i think they would beat at least half of the county teams at the minute??
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Its probably allowed but I'd say there will be fines imposed.
;D ;D So its not allowed then? Be harsh fining them if it was, do you not think?
(Its not allowed by the way, there'll def be a fine)
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Some Garrycastle players weren't even wearing proper socks. In an AI final ffs!
I'd be more worried about getting embarrassed in an AI final...
Theres a reason for it, I'm sure they didnt just forget, be they ankle supports or something
Ankle supports? Thon's a pair of Wilson tennis socks - 3 pairs for £1.
Reminds me of u12 matches against Ardoyne years ago.
I could name a right few teams wearing celtic shorts, tracksuit bottoms, trainers, basketball shorts etc. Some craic but complete waste of a game as they were usually shite!
I just find it mad that a boy lines out for his club in an All Ireland final wearing a pair of Wilson tennis socks. WTF?
Two boys actually in one of those photos were seen wearing Wilson tennis socks. IN AN ALL IRELAND FINAL......mental!
It f**king is mental! Is it even allowed in the rules?
No it's not when you enter the provincial Championships in Ulster you are issued with a set of rules regarding team wear and other aspects, tam wear must be uniform, and thats before you even consider the rules regarding Irish made products.
We're finished now, once the Kernan's, Jamie, McKeown and Morgan and all those boys retire we're finished :P More to follow after I watch her again and again and again and again...... :D
Crossmaglen, what a team. A credit to Armagh. They play the game the way it's supposed to be played. Oisín hanging around for one more or is that it?
I've done a tactical analysis piece on the game yesterday for anyone interested http://action81.com/blog/?p=5662
going by the hunger them boys show, i would reckon the 1st ever 3-in-a-row will be next on the agenda
Jayz I'm a virtual nobody now!
Great stuff, Cross. That's the way to play football.
But let's concentrate on the important stuff - what about this sock scandal? We need to stamp this out of the game or it'll be the ruination of the GAA.
Sockgate!! God be with the days when the late, great Peter McDermott played outfield in a cap and it is reputed occasionally glasses. There's a gap in the market for O'Neill's to bring out a range of spectacles for the modern footballer.
Brilliant stuff from Cross. The first half was great viewing. Garrycastle were there for the fight and forgot about the football. When you do that agin Cross you get humped by 15 points.
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Quote from: here comes 6 on April 01, 2012, 07:57:16 AM
I might be wrong but Garrycastle have broken one of the rules of Gaa. Will they be fined foir not wearing club colours?
It was the club final. The whole concept of "club" is togetherness and identity is part of that. Crossmaglen understand this, Garrycastle possibly do not. Hardly made a difference to the result but the culture of a unified club like Crossmaglen is there for all to see - and try to emulate.
Your wrong wrong wrong on your thought re Garrycastle not understanding togetherness and identity. Was your comment based on 'sockgate' ?
Would all the teams that fancy their chances at a Club All Ireland title now be hoping an Armagh team beat Cross in Armagh County Championship, or would it not feel as good an achievement to win it without meeting Cross at some stage.
(Not that any team from Armagh who were capable of beating Cross wouldn't prove a hard nut to crack)
I have nothing but respect and admiration for everything Cross have achieved but for the sake of the county side i hope they get knocked out early next year. Their success year after year is killing the county side's development.
Quote from: Armamike on April 01, 2012, 03:17:38 PM
I have nothing but respect and admiration for everything Cross have achieved but for the sake of the county side i hope they get knocked out early next year. Their success year after year is killing the county side's development.
Correct.
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Quote from: Armamike on April 01, 2012, 03:17:38 PM
I have nothing but respect and admiration for everything Cross have achieved but for the sake of the county side i hope they get knocked out early next year. Their success year after year is killing the county side's development.
Correct.
There's not many Cross people that will care about that!
Quote from: Armamike on April 01, 2012, 03:17:38 PM
I have nothing but respect and admiration for everything Cross have achieved but for the sake of the county side i hope they get knocked out early next year. Their success year after year is killing the county side's development.
Id rather cross win something than both win nothing
Quote from: Armamike on April 01, 2012, 03:17:38 PM
I have nothing but respect and admiration for everything Cross have achieved but for the sake of the county side i hope they get knocked out early next year. Their success year after year is killing the county side's development.
I was actually thinking about that yesterday. That's effectively been two full seasons where Armagh didn't have the Cross players for the bulk of the league campaign and McKenna before that. Can hardly be ideal for summer. Now that being said, there should be a way where Cross can win without Armagh losing out. To me the logical route would be in condensing the club championships more, finishing before Christmas or at least long before St Patrick's Day.
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Quote from: Armamike on April 01, 2012, 03:17:38 PM
I have nothing but respect and admiration for everything Cross have achieved but for the sake of the county side i hope they get knocked out early next year. Their success year after year is killing the county side's development.
I was actually thinking about that yesterday. That's effectively been two full seasons where Armagh didn't have the Cross players for the bulk of the league campaign and McKenna before that. Can hardly be ideal for summer. Now that being said, there should be a way where Cross can win without Armagh losing out. To me the logical route would be in condensing the club championships more, finishing before Christmas or at least long before St Patrick's Day.
Someone was saying that to me not so long ago the same about Galway Hurling, they almost always have a team in the club final and the good work on creating a balance and understanding in the league is often undone bringing back in the Club players who were out.
on a foot note: The Garrycastle/Galway manager must hate the sight of Black and Amber after this weekend!
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Quote from: Armamike on April 01, 2012, 03:17:38 PM
I have nothing but respect and admiration for everything Cross have achieved but for the sake of the county side i hope they get knocked out early next year. Their success year after year is killing the county side's development.
Correct.
There's not many Cross people that will care about that!
3 in a row will be some motivation.
Fair play to Cross, great stuff.
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Quote from: Armamike on April 01, 2012, 03:17:38 PM
I have nothing but respect and admiration for everything Cross have achieved but for the sake of the county side i hope they get knocked out early next year. Their success year after year is killing the county side's development.
I was actually thinking about that yesterday. That's effectively been two full seasons where Armagh didn't have the Cross players for the bulk of the league campaign and McKenna before that. Can hardly be ideal for summer. Now that being said, there should be a way where Cross can win without Armagh losing out. To me the logical route would be in condensing the club championships more, finishing before Christmas or at least long before St Patrick's Day.
+1
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Quote from: Armamike on April 01, 2012, 03:17:38 PM
I have nothing but respect and admiration for everything Cross have achieved but for the sake of the county side i hope they get knocked out early next year. Their success year after year is killing the county side's development.
I was actually thinking about that yesterday. That's effectively been two full seasons where Armagh didn't have the Cross players for the bulk of the league campaign and McKenna before that. Can hardly be ideal for summer. Now that being said, there should be a way where Cross can win without Armagh losing out. To me the logical route would be in condensing the club championships more, finishing before Christmas or at least long before St Patrick's Day.
aye condense the fixtures for everybody in the GAA just to suit yous boys. in the words of jim royle "my arse" ;D
I'm a Dub, not an Armagh or Cross man and I've long thought restructuring makes sense. The wait between the provincial finals and the All Ireland semis is nuts, and the semi and final isn't a whole lot better. It's unfair on pretty much all parties involved, clubs and counties.
On the subject of garrycastles silly socks... Anyone know why Cross dont have tight fit jerseys?
Because they are real men
From a discussion I had today .... shouldn't the first goal Cross got have been disallowed ? Reason being that Tom McHugh was taken out of it as he was trying to cover back .... and ref dished out a yellow to the perpetrator after the goal ?
Quote from: Dont Matter on April 01, 2012, 11:59:39 AM
Crossmaglen, what a team. A credit to Armagh. They play the game the way it's supposed to be played. Oisín hanging around for one more or is that it?
From what I heard he will not let Paul Hearty beat him out of the most medals so you should see Oisin another season or possibly 2-3 more seasons.
Look for the THREE-PEAT next year as the team had some motivation put into them after what was said to them after the 1st match.
Quote from: The Trap on March 31, 2012, 06:08:31 PM
Why dont county teams try and play like Cross instead of defensive shite?
Good question. However, let's not confuse issues either. Cross drop men back as and where they are needed. You'll often see the opposition surrounded by 3-4 black and amber jerseys. They don't take it to the systematic Donegal-esque extent though.
The thing that differentiates Cross from others (well, one of the things) is their ability and willingness to kick the ball from all positions. This makes the game seem less defensive as the opposition don't have time to get back. You saw Garrycastle try to impede free kicks time after time recognizing this, knocking the ball from the kickers hands etc.
The first instinct is to kick a measured and accurate 30-40 metre pass. Drilled passes with the outside or top of the boot, not the slow curly instep ones which are easier to execute. The passes are direct and have pace on them. That takes years of practice and proper coaching.
Firstly, most county players can't do this!
Secondly, there's this fear I think in county teams of losing possession and possession being king, a lot more so than at club level. It's harder to get the ball back in intercounty football at the top level. That's why teams won't kick a ball 40 yards when there is even a 20-30% chance they'll lose it.
It'll be interesting to see now how Armagh play now with the boys back in. Back to the experiment of last year of mimicking the cross style or more of the rugby league witnessed in the recent win over Down?
Anyway, enough analysis...Cross are a joy to watch, their mental abilities to focus a lesson to all, and many congratulations to them. Brilliant stuff.
I take it the Armagh club league begins shortly.............just wondering do these players take a rest for while and let the second string a run of games??
What was Garrycastles plan before the game? Why did they give Cross any more motivation for the game by breaking the parade and crashing into the cross player and trying to disrupt the photo. Silly move in the end dont you think?
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What was Garrycastles plan before the game? Why did they give Cross any more motivation for the game by breaking the parade and crashing into the cross player and trying to disrupt the photo. Silly move in the end dont you think?
Wtf .... who was trying to disrupt the photo ? Clearly a pre-planned move by Cross to delay going for the team photo until Gcastle were running out on to the pitch. Worked a treat for them as completely distracted Gcastle
Can I just say that as a coach, and an ex player, Crossmaglen's style of football is exactly what I would always aim for as my ideal. Their support play at the back is exemplary, they don't waste a ball, and when they get to a position to deliver it they do so with low, direct ball to a forward line that is always moving. The forward has options and either pops it off or goes himself. It's simple, and brilliant to watch when they are moving well. The best I've seen at club level by miles.
Their style of play, their success and all the shit they had to put up with over the years means that they have my utmost, utmost respect as a club, and I hope one day I'm coaching a team that beats them.
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Quote from: armaghranger12 on April 02, 2012, 09:57:17 AM
What was Garrycastles plan before the game? Why did they give Cross any more motivation for the game by breaking the parade and crashing into the cross player and trying to disrupt the photo. Silly move in the end dont you think?
Wtf .... who was trying to disrupt the photo ? Clearly a pre-planned move by Cross to delay going for the team photo until Gcastle were running out on to the pitch. Worked a treat for them as completely distracted Gcastle
Doubt strongly anyone planned anything, on either side.
McEntee thanks Garrycastle
Tony McEntee has thanked Garrycastle for firing his players up before the throw-in at Breffni Park.
When asked by the BBC about the work he'd done to get his team fired up for Saturday's All-Ireland club final replay, the Crossmaglen boss said that their opponents' behaviour before the throw-in had made his charges doubly-determined.
A couple of scuffles broke out before the action had even started and Rangers manager McEntee says this played right into his team's hands:
"I think to be fair I'd maybe thank Garrycastle for that, for the actions at the start of the match simply revved our boys up that wee bit more."
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=165673
Crossmaglen's performance yesterday was scary for any Club team with aspirations of an All Ireland any time soon. They were ridiculously good yesterday, fitness, execution, gameplan everything was top drawer. With only 2 players over 30 they aren't going anywhere too quickly either.
Cross will have to have an unbelievably bad day and the other team their best day to beat them!!!
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Can I just say that as a coach, and an ex player, Crossmaglen's style of football is exactly what I would always aim for as my ideal. Their support play at the back is exemplary, they don't waste a ball, and when they get to a position to deliver it they do so with low, direct ball to a forward line that is always moving. The forward has options and either pops it off or goes himself. It's simple, and brilliant to watch when they are moving well. The best I've seen at club level by miles.
Their style of play, their success and all the shit they had to put up with over the years means that they have my utmost, utmost respect as a club, and I hope one day I'm coaching a team that beats them.
Agree 100%, very well put.
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Crossmaglen's performance yesterday was scary for any Club team with aspirations of an All Ireland any time soon. They were ridiculously good yesterday, fitness, execution, gameplan everything was top drawer. With only 2 players over 30 they aren't going anywhere too quickly either.
Cross will have to have an unbelievably bad day and the other team their best day to beat them!!!
I agree with what you say but then I think of all the plaudits Portumna were getting two or three years ago and how there was no point in any other club even trying to win the All Ireland, but things don't pan out that way. I reckon we could see a Dublin side win the All Ireland club next year, maybe even a Tyrone one.
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I agree with what you say but then I think of all the plaudits Portumna were getting two or three years ago and how there was no point in any other club even trying to win the All Ireland, but things don't pan out that way. I reckon we could see a Dublin side win the All Ireland club next year, maybe even a Tyrone one.
who in god's name would that be now?
Quotewho in god's name would that be now?
Ballinderry.
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Quote from: armaghranger12 on April 02, 2012, 09:57:17 AM
What was Garrycastles plan before the game? Why did they give Cross any more motivation for the game by breaking the parade and crashing into the cross player and trying to disrupt the photo. Silly move in the end dont you think?
Wtf .... who was trying to disrupt the photo ? Clearly a pre-planned move by Cross to delay going for the team photo until Gcastle were running out on to the pitch. Worked a treat for them as completely distracted Gcastle
Doubt strongly anyone planned anything, on either side.
Naive to think otherwise. It's not like they forgot about the photo when they came onto the pitch considering the bench and a hoard of photographers was the first thing they were faced with.
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Quote from: armaghranger12 on April 02, 2012, 09:57:17 AM
What was Garrycastles plan before the game? Why did they give Cross any more motivation for the game by breaking the parade and crashing into the cross player and trying to disrupt the photo. Silly move in the end dont you think?
Wtf .... who was trying to disrupt the photo ? Clearly a pre-planned move by Cross to delay going for the team photo until Gcastle were running out on to the pitch. Worked a treat for them as completely distracted Gcastle
Doubt strongly anyone planned anything, on either side.
Naive to think otherwise. It's not like they forgot about the photo when they came onto the pitch considering the bench and a hoard of photographers was the first thing they were faced with.
Think about it - are you suggesting they ran out, started their warm up, kept an eye so they could head for the bench when garrycastle started coming out, did so, and managed to reach it before garrycastle?
I imagine they'd have saved most of their concentration for the game rather than for exquisitely timing a mind game like that
I'd say you got it spot on there. It's not as like it was their first All Ireland Final or anything. They know the score, team runs out onto the pitch and straight to the bench for the photo. It was uncalled for.
A team like Kilmacud Crokes with all their players could beat Cross.
They beat them once already and I don't they had a full team out when they lost to Cross the last time they met.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on April 02, 2012, 03:17:45 PM
I agree with what you say but then I think of all the plaudits Portumna were getting two or three years ago and how there was no point in any other club even trying to win the All Ireland, but things don't pan out that way. I reckon we could see a Dublin side win the All Ireland club next year, maybe even a Tyrone one.
There is not a club in Tyrone who could hold a candle to Cross, never mind even think about going for an AI. In Tyrone the county team dominates everything and the clubs don't have the confidence to stand up for themselves. In Armagh, Cross players don't even consider the county side, the club is everything to them and if you look at the current county set up there isn't much to entice any Cross player to rush back to POR or PG. Compare the Cross game to that played by Armagh and you will see that they are lightyears apart. Until Tony Mac has got the three in a row in the bag, Armagh will be going nowhere.
Good post.
QuoteIn Armagh, Cross players don't even consider the county side
TYP, I think this is a simplification. The likes of Oisin gave a great deal to the county, even before Big Joe took over and stayed there until it was clear that he wasn't wanted. It is true that the timetable for the year means that Cross players are often missing, but they give their all when they are there. This is not the case in every county with a dominant club. Jamie Clark might have a medal in his pocket, but he'll be doing it for Armagh too.
I do agree though that the Armagh setup is not that attractive. When you've played under a manager who knows what he is at, it isn't so easy to move to one who (although decent) doesn't have that clarity.
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QuoteIn Armagh, Cross players don't even consider the county side
TYP, I think this is a simplification. The likes of Oisin gave a great deal to the county, even before Big Joe took over and stayed there until it was clear that he wasn't wanted. It is true that the timetable for the year means that Cross players are often missing, but they give their all when they are there. This is not the case in every county with a dominant club. Jamie Clark might have a medal in his pocket, but he'll be doing it for Armagh too.
I do agree though that the Armagh setup is not that attractive. When you've played under a manager who knows what he is at, it isn't so easy to move to one who (although decent) doesn't have that clarity.
The advantage to Armagh is in development of the non Cross players and giving them game time which adds to the depth on the bench. It's fair to say that on some of our league performances a little more quality on the sideline could see Armagh challenge at the top.
I tuned into Matt Cooper yesterday hoping to hear a glowing review of the AICF and what do him and Martin Carney spend the whole time talking about - Mayo v Dublin, absolutely scandalous, so little respect for a wonderful team and competition - Jesus the media is so Dublin centric its unbelievable
In fairness berfa, outside of armagh + wmeath national league games probably carried more interest for the majority.
Although I agree Duffle this says more about the gaa and media promotion than the merits of the competition.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 02, 2012, 11:17:33 PM
A team like Kilmacud Crokes with all their players could beat Cross.
They beat them once already and I don't they had a full team out when they lost to Cross the last time they met.
Any team can be beaten from time to time, Cross players get injured as well you know, were the hell were Crokes on St Patricks day, I will tell you where they where, sitting on their arses in front of the TV watching Cross, they were not good enough to be there this year, Cross were and without doubt the best team in Ireland, period, end of!
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Quote from: Jinxy on April 02, 2012, 11:17:33 PM
A team like Kilmacud Crokes with all their players could beat Cross.
They beat them once already and I don't they had a full team out when they lost to Cross the last time they met.
Any team can be beaten from time to time, Cross players get injured as well you know, were the hell were Crokes on St Patricks day, I will tell you where they where, sitting on their arses in front of the TV watching Cross, they were not good enough to be there this year, Cross were and without doubt the best team in Ireland, period, end of!
Calm down, ffs. Nowhere does Jinxy suggest that Cross were not the best team in the country this year. He simply suggests that Kilmacud Crokes could be a strong challenger to Cross in the future. This is a wholly reasonable point considering the bother Crokes, and other Dublin clubs, have caused Cross in the recent past.
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Quote from: Jinxy on April 02, 2012, 11:17:33 PM
A team like Kilmacud Crokes with all their players could beat Cross.
They beat them once already and I don't they had a full team out when they lost to Cross the last time they met.
Any team can be beaten from time to time, Cross players get injured as well you know, were the hell were Croke's on St Patricks day, I will tell you where they where, sitting on their arses in front of the TV watching Cross, they were not good enough to be there this year, Cross were and without doubt the best team in Ireland, period, end of!
Calm down, ffs. Nowhere does Jinxy suggest that Cross were not the best team in the country this year. He simply suggests that Kilmacud Crokes could be a strong challenger to Cross in the future. This is a wholly reasonable point considering the bother Crokes, and other Dublin clubs, have caused Cross in the recent past.
I was calm, I just thought he was being disingenuous, Cross have had trouble with the Og's and Dromintee, two teams from armagh over the years, the fact that they have had trouble with clubs that happen to be from Dublin is a moot point, a fair few teams have given them a rough time, Crokes being one of them. The thing is teams rarely are at full strength, injuries happen, the difference between Cross and other teams is that they find a way to overcome injuries to key players whilst other teams cant.
Armagh supporters in general are very proud of Crossmaglens' achievements, and rightly so. The whole county gets behind this club, I am not sure that the same would be said of other counties. But when you look at the potential 'newcomers' to their crown most of the clubs that would be considered would have a much larger population/membership to choose from. For Crossmaglen to keep this team winning AI championships and blooding new players and keeping the standards required, if not raising them is nothing short of spectacular.
This does come at a price for Armagh county football during the NL and has probably a negative effect on the championship as there are probably only one or two teams within Armagh who have a chance of beating Cross. This is maybe true of other counties but too a much lesser extent. Cross have dominated the championship in ARMAGH and with their current team will continue to do so.
The secret of their success, well only they know, but I would to bottle it and bring it to my club.
QuoteThe secret of their success, well only they know,
Tony McEntee inadvertently revealed all in his interview with the Irish News.
- mark your man
- win the ball
- kick it to a forward
- he scores
- mark your man for the kickout
- goto 2 - repeat for 60 mins
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