The time has come for the GAA to come down seriously heavy on clubs and individuals where players, subs and supporters get involved like this. I heard some of the reports from eye witnesses today and it is shocking. Our great sport that many of us give a lot of our spare time to is being blighted by this stuff. In towns anyway there are a lot of people turning away from the GAA - not just because of this type of stuff but other reasons as well.
The CCCC is expected to investigate the ugly scenes that marred yesterday's All-Ireland club JFC semi-final between Derrytresk and Dromid Pearses in Portlaoise.
Tyrone side Derrytresk prevailed on a 1-10 to 0-7 scoreline, but afterwards the main talking points were a first half brawl involving players and mentors which erupted under the O'Moore Park, and a bizarre incident that saw Dromid and Kerry star Declan O'Sullivan struck by a handbag. O'Sullivan isn't expected to press charges against his assailant.
Leitrim referee Francis Flynn issues a total of 11 cards, with Dromid Pearses finishing the game with 13 players following the dismissals of Denis O'Sullivan and Colm O'Connor.
Dromid manager Michael Anthony O'Connell claimed his players were 'provoked' by the opposition.
"I have to hold my hand up and say they were the better team. But I have to say our players were provoked. The tactics they had in beating us, I didn't agree with.
"There's an old trick of the trade where usually you'd bring on a sub to change the game but they brought the sideline on top of us before half-time. I've never before in my life witnessed what I saw there. I'm shocked.
"The linesman said fair play to ye and asked us to try to keep our selectors outside the barrier. He knew where the trouble had started. But that was not good enough."
Quote from: agorm on January 23, 2012, 06:25:39 PM
The time has come for the GAA to come down seriously heavy on clubs and individuals where players, subs and supporters get involved like this. I heard some of the reports from eye witnesses today and it is shocking. Our great sport that many of us give a lot of our spare time to is being blighted by this stuff. In towns anyway there are a lot of people turning away from the GAA - not just because of this type of stuff but other reasons as well.
The CCCC is expected to investigate the ugly scenes that marred yesterday's All-Ireland club JFC semi-final between Derrytresk and Dromid Pearses in Portlaoise.
Tyrone side Derrytresk prevailed on a 1-10 to 0-7 scoreline, but afterwards the main talking points were a first half brawl involving players and mentors which erupted under the O'Moore Park, and a bizarre incident that saw Dromid and Kerry star Declan O'Sullivan struck by a handbag. O'Sullivan isn't expected to press charges against his assailant.
Leitrim referee Francis Flynn issues a total of 11 cards, with Dromid Pearses finishing the game with 13 players following the dismissals of Denis O'Sullivan and Colm O'Connor.
Dromid manager Michael Anthony O'Connell claimed his players were 'provoked' by the opposition.
"I have to hold my hand up and say they were the better team. But I have to say our players were provoked. The tactics they had in beating us, I didn't agree with.
"There's an old trick of the trade where usually you'd bring on a sub to change the game but they brought the sideline on top of us before half-time. I've never before in my life witnessed what I saw there. I'm shocked.
"The linesman said fair play to ye and asked us to try to keep our selectors outside the barrier. He knew where the trouble had started. But that was not good enough."
We could open up an almanac of trouble involving tyrone club football teams at this stage.
Didn't look great on the telly alright. It was like the charge of the light brigade with all the Derrytresk subs and officials piling over the hoardings to get involved. One of the Dromid players looked like he got an awful clout.
After watching the video, my suspicions have been confirmed. Storm in a teacup-seen better brawls at a kid's game. Disgraceful decisions by Dromid players to go lashing out at Derrytresk staff to start things off. The fellas in vizzies looked to be trying to break things up before the Dromid No. 5 came in, flaking all round him-then the Hill subs couldn't contain themselves, which is a pity. If I were Dromid-I'd leave it go, they were beaten fair and square, get over it.
That's the truth of it. Lasted about 20 seconds.
Quote from: Whishtup on January 23, 2012, 07:58:16 PM
After watching the video, my suspicions have been confirmed. Storm in a teacup-seen better brawls at a kid's game. Disgraceful decisions by Dromid players to go lashing out at Derrytresk staff to start things off.
Some selective viewing there.
The Dromid player that was lying on the ground (number 9) has concussion apparently so unless he knocked himself out I assume he got a belt off someone. It also looked like the Derrytresk official with the clipboard had a go at the Dromid number 4 first which kicked it all off.
Really? So that Derrytresk lad lying on the ground was picking daisies?
Answer me this, who'd win in a fight between Derrytresk, Carrickmore and Dromore?
That official looked to run towards the player who had been pole-axed-dromid player tripped over him, then gets up flailing-that's pretty clear and unacceptable for any player. The official was quite restrained, considering the two attacks launced at him.
Quote from: Whishtup on January 23, 2012, 08:15:09 PM
That official looked to run towards the player who had been pole-axed-dromid player tripped over him, then gets up flailing-that's pretty clear and unacceptable for any player. The official was quite restrained, considering the two attacks launced at him.
Are you serious?
Quote from: Whishtup on January 23, 2012, 08:15:09 PM
That official looked to run towards the player who had been pole-axed-dromid player tripped over him, then gets up flailing-that's pretty clear and unacceptable for any player. The official was quite restrained, considering the two attacks launced at him.
Come off it. He was quite clearly having a go at the Dromid player. From behind too. Dromid player swung round to have a go back at him. Then it all kicked off.
What constitutes having a go? Talking, running towards? Fronting up? He definitely wasn't swinging his arms. Do you agree?
Whatever about who started it and there were plenty of people on Whineline with Joe Duffy today with opinions (some of whom were not even at the game) on it, the GAA needs to take a stand on this.
Any club whose supporters or substitutes are involved in any kind of on field assault should automatically be banned from competiton for a year.This piecemeal banning supporters is a waste of time. There has to be some kind of marker laiid down.
Every club will circle the wagons when this happens but the GAA needs to come up with some kind of answer for this instead of worrying about managers getting paid.
If that's the case, then the same should prevail for players who step out over the white line to assault officials, which in itself is an extemely inflammatory offence, the consequences of which cannot be predicted. That's why, if I were from Dromid Pearse's, I wouldn't be rushing to the disciplinary bodies.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 23, 2012, 08:06:22 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on January 23, 2012, 07:58:16 PM
After watching the video, my suspicions have been confirmed. Storm in a teacup-seen better brawls at a kid's game. Disgraceful decisions by Dromid players to go lashing out at Derrytresk staff to start things off.
Some selective viewing there.
The Dromid player that was lying on the ground (number 9) has concussion apparently so unless he knocked himself out I assume he got a belt off someone. It also looked like the Derrytresk official with the clipboard had a go at the Dromid number 4 first which kicked it all off.
Number 9 got blindsided by the guy with the hoodie up and rugby tackled by the guy with the black hat.
Quote from: Orangemac on January 23, 2012, 08:22:32 PM
Whatever about who started it and there were plenty of people on Whineline with Joe Duffy today with opinions (some of whom were not even at the game) on it, the GAA needs to take a stand on this.
Any club whose supporters or substitutes are involved in any kind of on field assault should automatically be banned from competiton for a year.This piecemeal banning supporters is a waste of time. There has to be some kind of marker laiid down.
Every club will circle the wagons when this happens but the GAA needs to come up with some kind of answer for this instead of worrying about managers getting paid.
Completely agree, disgraceful scenes, whatever happened between the players is bad enough but when 'fans' come jumping in it becomes very dangerous. Derrytresk should be kicked out of the tournament. that was pure thuggery, obviously with Kerry v Tyrone undertones
Animals, were do these lads come from.......................the fat chap with the bib, whats he even doing on the sideline, what could a guy with that kinda waistline contribute to a team..................................too many animals on the sidelines now with club jackets and bibs, not remotely involved with the game................. ban the lot of them
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on January 23, 2012, 08:34:39 PM
Animals, were do these lads come from.......................the fat chap with the bib, whats he even doing on the sideline, what could a guy with that kinda waistline contribute to a team..................................too many animals on the sidelines now with club jackets and bibs, not remotely involved with the game................. ban the lot of them
It's not all perma-tan and gym-monkeys, y'know! ;)
Any clubs that have substitutes, selectors, managers, water boys, medical staff involved in altercations on the pitch should be thrown out of all competitions for 12 months.
I couldn't give a f**k about their underage teams, perpetuating this sort of behavior into the next generation is more of a threat to the organization than losing one generation from one club to another sport. As an organization we currently do not have the will to impose proper discipline, youngsters are better off playing rugby where they will rather than seeing scenes like this or the many others that have occurred over the past few years, referees being assaulted and abused etc.
Collectively, as a national organization we're a disgrace
Quote from: hardstation on January 23, 2012, 08:42:17 PM
Is that all there is? Is that what Dromid are whinging about? It wasn't that bad and was started by a Dromid man. Jesus Christ wise up!
and sense prevails
I will love the 'typical BBC' sidestep that will appear over the next few days. Pathetic.
As for the row, to be condemed but tame enough.
Whether it was a light dusting or a full scale brawl isn't the issue for me. The fact that a number of GAA folk can't see any harm in subs, officials and spectators invading a pitch and squaring up to each other is much more concerning.
I don't like sanitised sport and my favoured type of GAA match involves two teams cutting each other to pieces. But once the extras get involved, it's no longer a case that all's fair in a sporting arena - it is nothing less than public unrest.
That was going to be nothing until the subs came in. A right few sneaky belts then when they had weight of numbers. Dromid 9 and 10 were both cold cocked. Not as bad as made out on Joe Duffy but subs coming in is out of order IMO .
Quote from: Whishtup on January 23, 2012, 08:22:13 PM
What constitutes having a go? Talking, running towards? Fronting up? He definitely wasn't swinging his arms. Do you agree?
Fronting up in tyrone club football terms means pistols at dawn. Squaring up probably means punching the chops off each other.
Tyrone club football would want to take a long good hard look at itself and what it tolerates.
Too many incidents at this stage.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 23, 2012, 08:57:21 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on January 23, 2012, 08:22:13 PM
What constitutes having a go? Talking, running towards? Fronting up? He definitely wasn't swinging his arms. Do you agree?
Fronting up in tyrone club football terms means pistols at dawn. Squaring up probably means punching the chops off each other.
Tyrone club football would want to take a long good hard look at itself and what it tolerates.
Too many incidents at this stage.
That's totally irrelevant. My point is that this incident was started and enflamed by Dromid players before it became a free-for-all. I'd like to see the reaction to Pat Gilroy getting belted by two Kildare players. Wouldn't be nice either-they'd be eating through the wire to get at them.
The real rot of the GAA is poor officialdom from the refereeing, linesmen and stewards. That's where we differ from rugby. Don't give me that clap-trap about Northern/Tyrone football, either-boring and obnoxious.
The Dromid players should clearly be dealt with also. But subs piling in is not acceptable and while a team may not have complete control over its supporters it should be held fully responsible for players and officials.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 23, 2012, 09:15:49 PM
The Dromid players should clearly be dealt with also. But subs piling in is not acceptable and while a team may not have complete control over its supporters it should be held fully responsible for players and officials.
Yeah neither team was blameless but subs jumping in isn't on, I hate to see it. It's a sc**bag thing to do.
Whishtup that thing you sit on is your arse and that thing you try licking is your elbow.
Rugby referees are generally inconsistent, and have the same flaws as all officials in all sports. BUT there is a culture in that game of respecting officials, which spreads from juvenile ranks to international level.
Those subs who entered the fray on Sunday showed two fingers to Gaelic Games. If their club and managers had a zero tolerance policy for this sort of behaviour it wouldn't have happened.
Quote from: Whishtup on January 23, 2012, 09:11:53 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 23, 2012, 08:57:21 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on January 23, 2012, 08:22:13 PM
What constitutes having a go? Talking, running towards? Fronting up? He definitely wasn't swinging his arms. Do you agree?
Fronting up in tyrone club football terms means pistols at dawn. Squaring up probably means punching the chops off each other.
Tyrone club football would want to take a long good hard look at itself and what it tolerates.
Too many incidents at this stage.
That's totally irrelevant. My point is that this incident was started and enflamed by Dromid players before it became a free-for-all. I'd like to see the reaction to Pat Gilroy getting belted by two Kildare players. Wouldn't be nice either-they'd be eating through the wire to get at them.
The real rot of the GAA is poor officialdom from the refereeing, linesmen and stewards. That's where we differ from rugby. Don't give me that clap-trap about Northern/Tyrone football, either-boring and obnoxious.
Tyrone has an internal problem that has largely become an epidemic within the county and its refusal really to deal with it.
And the real problem is your lack of understanding that officials and supporters have no business entering the field of play in any capacity.
I love the way Tyrone play football at county level but their club scene has a real problem. And its their refusal to deal with it really that is the most damning.
Too many Tyrone lads got involved in that melee. There must have been 4-5 to each Kerry man... Too quick to hop over the wall on to the field of play IMO although there didn't seem to be anyone lying on the ground after the 1m 10 sec video was over...
Certainly don't think the club has been involved in this kind of behaviour previously and not during their Ulster campaign although could be wrong on that
Might not be that relevant, but if that happen in Association Football there would be fines, bans, points deductions etc. handed down to all concerned. What are the likely punishments?
Indiana, this isn't a Tyrone problem, it's a GAA problem.
There is a culture within our sports that things like punching men off the ball, and kicking men on the ground is tolerable, and even acceptable, if it's one of your teammates doing it. GAA clubs have for years closed ranks and guarded their members who commit such acts. As mentioned already, I'm a fan of rough, hard football, and skirmishes are part and parcel of this. Being a yellow judas bastard isn't part of this in my mind, and 15 subs entering a field are yellow judas bastards.
Wind yer neck in-a donkey can see that how the subs behaved was wrong-and only a donkey would re-iterate this fact, this late on in this thread. My point is that a lot of you seem to be very keen to jump on your high moral horse, while overlooking the instigation of the incident.
Again, I ask why the fact that two Dromid players crossed the white line to attack an official is being ignored?
Rugby referees generally inconsistent? Is that right?
If a big deal is going to be made of this (which is ridiculous) then you have to look at what turned a minor skirmish into something bigger. For me, it is the striking out of the Dromid players against officials.
Quote from: Whishtup on January 23, 2012, 09:32:08 PM
Wind yer neck in-a donkey can see that how the subs behaved was wrong-and only a donkey would re-iterate this fact, this late on in this thread. My point is that a lot of you seem to be very keen to jump on your high moral horse, while overlooking the instigation of the incident.
Again, I ask why the fact that two Dromid players crossed the white line to attack an official is being ignored?
Rugby referees generally inconsistent? Is that right?
If a big deal is going to be made of this (which is ridiculous) then you have to look at what turned a minor skirmish into something bigger. For me, it is the striking out of the Dromid players against officials.
Its typical of the siege mentality thats exists in tyrone. Do you accept that it is unacceptable for officials and supporters to encroach the field of play.
Hint: Its a yes or no answer.
Yes.
Next question.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 23, 2012, 09:19:00 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on January 23, 2012, 09:11:53 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 23, 2012, 08:57:21 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on January 23, 2012, 08:22:13 PM
What constitutes having a go? Talking, running towards? Fronting up? He definitely wasn't swinging his arms. Do you agree?
Fronting up in tyrone club football terms means pistols at dawn. Squaring up probably means punching the chops off each other.
Tyrone club football would want to take a long good hard look at itself and what it tolerates.
Too many incidents at this stage.
That's totally irrelevant. My point is that this incident was started and enflamed by Dromid players before it became a free-for-all. I'd like to see the reaction to Pat Gilroy getting belted by two Kildare players. Wouldn't be nice either-they'd be eating through the wire to get at them.
The real rot of the GAA is poor officialdom from the refereeing, linesmen and stewards. That's where we differ from rugby. Don't give me that clap-trap about Northern/Tyrone football, either-boring and obnoxious.
Tyrone has an internal problem that has largely become an epidemic within the county and its refusal really to deal with it.
And the real problem is your lack of understanding that officials and supporters have no business entering the field of play in any capacity.
I love the way Tyrone play football at county level but their club scene has a real problem. And its their refusal to deal with it really that is the most damning.
Have you been at many club games in Tyrone?
Quote from: EC Unique on January 23, 2012, 09:41:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 23, 2012, 09:19:00 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on January 23, 2012, 09:11:53 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 23, 2012, 08:57:21 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on January 23, 2012, 08:22:13 PM
What constitutes having a go? Talking, running towards? Fronting up? He definitely wasn't swinging his arms. Do you agree?
Fronting up in tyrone club football terms means pistols at dawn. Squaring up probably means punching the chops off each other.
Tyrone club football would want to take a long good hard look at itself and what it tolerates.
Too many incidents at this stage.
That's totally irrelevant. My point is that this incident was started and enflamed by Dromid players before it became a free-for-all. I'd like to see the reaction to Pat Gilroy getting belted by two Kildare players. Wouldn't be nice either-they'd be eating through the wire to get at them.
The real rot of the GAA is poor officialdom from the refereeing, linesmen and stewards. That's where we differ from rugby. Don't give me that clap-trap about Northern/Tyrone football, either-boring and obnoxious.
Tyrone has an internal problem that has largely become an epidemic within the county and its refusal really to deal with it.
And the real problem is your lack of understanding that officials and supporters have no business entering the field of play in any capacity.
I love the way Tyrone play football at county level but their club scene has a real problem. And its their refusal to deal with it really that is the most damning.
Have you been at many club games in Tyrone?
I've seen several club championship games up there. And the atmosphere is unique between some of the clubs up there.
Dublin has its own problems like under the counter payments to managers and players but we dont have an epidemic of incidents involving pitched battles on a regular basis.
The Association has shied away form on the field brawls and its far bigger problem then a coach earniing a few quid on the side. Duffy and Cooney need to get their house in order.
Indiana. Are the Tyrone lads the only ones at fault?
Yes / No
Did the Kerry lads start it by scuffling with the Tyrone management?
Yes / No
Was the whole minute regrettable by all concerned?
Yes / No
No-one likes to see this kind of behaviour on a football field and there needs to be punishment handed out to both teams to make it clear this kind of crap can't be tolerated by the GAA
Quote from: Whishtup on January 23, 2012, 09:32:08 PM
Again, I ask why the fact that two Dromid players crossed the white line to attack an official is being ignored?
Looks like the Dromid player was off the pitch holding the ball looking to take a sideline after the Derrytresk player was shouldered out over the sideline. The Derrytresk official with the clipboard piled into him from behind so he turned around and swung at him. Doesn't excuse a swinging fist but the Derrytresk offical had no business aggresively getting involved with one of the opposition players. After that all the subs and officials piled in over the hoardings.
I've only seen the clip, it doesn't make good viewing and it leaves me thinking at what stage the GAA are actually going to take some steps to stamp this shit out of our games. It doesn't matter who started it or whose to blame. I love good hard hitting football but officials, supporters and subs should, under no circumstances, be encroaching onto the field of play and making any contact with players. We need to protect those actually playing and long suspensions should be given EVERY time an incident like this happens. Some day we'll all be commenting on this board about someone getting seriously injured, but sure that's probably all part of the craic and as long as we didn't start it.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 23, 2012, 09:47:48 PM
I've only seen the clip, it doesn't make good viewing and it leaves me thinking at what stage the GAA are actually going to take some steps to stamp this shit out of our games. It doesn't matter who started it or whose to blame. I love good hard hitting football but officials, supporters and subs should, under no circumstances, be encroaching onto the field of play and making any contact with players. We need to protect those actually playing and long suspensions should be given EVERY time an incident like this happens. Some day we'll all be commenting on this board about someone getting seriously injured, but sure that's probably all part of the craic and as long as we didn't start it.
Disgraceful scenes. Derrytresk should be thrown out of the competition. Thats the only way we are going to get situations like this from happening. A small fine simply doesnt have any effect.
The actions of the Tyrone subs is totally unacceptable. However, on listening to Joe Duffy Show and reading some of the posts here, you would think that Dromid were completely blameless. The first punches were thrown by numbers 4 and 5 from Dromid. Let's look at both sides.
Quote from: Whishtup on January 23, 2012, 08:30:57 PM
If that's the case, then the same should prevail for players who step out over the white line to assault officials, which in itself is an extemely inflammatory offence, the consequences of which cannot be predicted. That's why, if I were from Dromid Pearse's, I wouldn't be rushing to the disciplinary bodies.
There was a lack of discipline from both the Dromid players and the Derrytresk subs. I did not see what started it between the Derrytresk official and the Dromad player but both were well out of order. However the subs and supporters coming over the hoardings are completely out of line and could well be responsible for Derrytresk getting penalties their performances to date do not deserve.
both teams were equally to blame however when the subs jumped the hoardings everythiing changed.
handbags between players happen all the time but when someone enters outside of the 30 men then it is a recipe for disaster.
some day some man will get a slap and be seriously injured or even worse............will the gaa take action then?
when is an example going to be made?
no doubt whatever punishment is given (if any) to both sides it will be appealed with the full support of their club - same way as counties back their teams
Quote from: Mont on January 23, 2012, 10:18:55 PM
both teams were equally to blame however when the subs jumped the hoardings everythiing changed.
handbags between players happen all the time but when someone enters outside of the 30 men then it is a recipe for disaster.
some day some man will get a slap and be seriously injured or even worse............will the gaa take action then?
when is an example going to be made?
no doubt whatever punishment is given (if any) to both sides it will be appealed with the full support of their club - same way as counties back their teams
People have suffered serious injuries on the pitch on numerous occasions previously with little discernable change.
Derrytresk Statement
The Derrytresk club are delighted to have made it through to this year's All Ireland Junior Football Championship club final. Our players thoroughly deserve to be there after all of the hard work that they put in over the last twelve months. It is disturbing to be on the receiving end of a number of quite serious allegations which have been aimed directly at our club since yesterday afternoon. We are disappointed that such allegations have been aired by GAA people through various media outlets over the last 24 hours. We believe that the referee and his officials were best placed to deal with all aspects of Sunday's game. We remain confident that the GAA itself is best placed to provide the correct channels to deal with all matters which may or may not arise from this game. We therefore we will be making no further comment on the matter and will continue to prepare for the biggest day in our club history.
Quote from: ONeill on January 23, 2012, 10:49:01 PM
Derrytresk Statement
The Derrytresk club are delighted to have made it through to this year's All Ireland Junior Football Championship club final. Our players thoroughly deserve to be there after all of the hard work that they put in over the last twelve months. It is disturbing to be on the receiving end of a number of quite serious allegations which have been aimed directly at our club since yesterday afternoon. We are disappointed that such allegations have been aired by GAA people through various media outlets over the last 24 hours. We believe that the referee and his officials were best placed to deal with all aspects of Sunday's game. We remain confident that the GAA itself is best placed to provide the correct channels to deal with all matters which may or may not arise from this game. We therefore we will be making no further comment on the matter and will continue to prepare for the biggest day in our club history.
Fantastic, great to see a club finally take responsibility for the actions of their players, supporters, mentors etc.....................or not as the case may be :-\
Tis fairly clear from the video that Derrytresk have a lot to answer for with the glee with which their subs vaulted the hoarding to get involved in the fight no matter what provocation was there. Subs should not be getting involved! Both clubs though should be sent the video clips to identify which players/officials are involved and punishments handed out accordingly!
Sweet Lord - that official statement is some load of steaming poo.
If this incident happened in a county league match we would never have heard about it. Nobody appeared to be injured and the match was finished. I see worse incidents every month, nobody complains and no bans are handed out.
However this was an All Ireland Semi Final under the control of Croke Park and I strongly suspect they will take a hard line with both clubs. I predict that the final won'tl be played on 12 February and the DRA will be involved. The Derrytresk subs may have cost the club the biggest day in their history.
Hardstation, Lecale, I think you're missing the point on purpose here. Whether it happens 10 times a weekend of not doesn't matter; it's still shameful scenes and makes our games look like free for alls.
The big difference with this incident and others is that this one is caught on TV. Usually by this stage both clubs have retreated behind a wall of silence and any GAA investigation is pointless. There's enough on that tape though for the GAA to hand out proper bans and fines. And I hope to God they do.
There's no doubt that subs/supporters should not be on the field. No one is excusing that and I'm sure the club expects punishment for that through the proper quarters. It's a massive pity this has happened as Derrytresk have no history of this at any level. They're a harmless junior club with a clean slate. Tensions ran high and the whole Kerry/Tyrone overtones were simmering and have been since the Omagh battle a few years ago.
What does stick in the throat is the abuse being levied at the Derrytresk players for their tactics, and then Tyrone/Ulster football beyond that. The first punch thrown was by a Dromid man at the man with the clipboard. Again, that doesn't excuse the incursion onto the field of the hyped-up subs and that response is regretted, no matter how exaggerated it has become.
Dromid had 2 reds and 9 yellows. The Hill had 2 yellows.
Lads is there more video evidence around other than the clip there?
It's just that posters here are saying that the Dromid player started it by going at the Derrytresk official with the clipboard, but on that clip the Derrytresk guy with the clipboard (who is out of the technical area and in a zone he's not supposed to be) is the one advancing towards the players. Both men appear to be swinging at the same time but certainly the first thing I see is a Derrytresk player on the ground, no idea how he got there (though other posters say it was from a fair shoulder) and the Derrytresk official going to where he has no right to be - from a place that he has no right to be. How is everyone so sure that the Dromid man swung first? Please note I'm not saying he did or didn't, just that it's plain to see on the video that
We have Dromid number 4 and the clipboard guy swinging away, and guys with bibs in the area but nobody else initially doing anything violent. Then the Derrytresk number 18 is the next one on the scene getting involved, followed immediately by the Dromid number 5, followed by a lot of guys in bibs, who admittedly could be from anywhere since there are four different colour bibs, albeit two of the guys are wearing blue underneath, and then a lot of Derrytresk subs. One sub in particular makes several swings and kicks at a guy on the ground and anyone who defends that or says that he deserves to even sit in Croke Park, never mind tog out, is badly misguided.
What am I missing? It just seems to me that comments like this don't make sense.
Quote from: crossfire on January 23, 2012, 10:11:06 PM
The actions of the Tyrone subs is totally unacceptable. However, on listening to Joe Duffy Show and reading some of the posts here, you would think that Dromid were completely blameless. The first punches were thrown by numbers 4 and 5 from Dromid.
Now either there's another clip out there, or that's just plain wrong.
As for those that say this kind of thing happens all the time, I have to ask, what the hell kind of games do ye go to? I'm a GAA supporter, player and journalist and between the lot I take in an average of 4-5 games a week at all levels. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen multiple people getting involved from off the pitch, maybe four times that I can think of in the last 20 odd years.
The only instance I can think of in Offaly that came close was one where the referee was struck and that saw the club involved suspended for two years, albeit that was rescinded to no home games and a 10k fine (iirc) on appeal, as well as suspensions for the culprits and some committee members.
I'd imagine that Derrytresk can gear themselves up for something similar now. I'd also say that if I was Dromid Pearses, I'd stay in training. There has to be a very live chance that Derrytresk get thrown out here.
Quote from: Lone Shark on January 23, 2012, 11:45:29 PM
Lads is there more video evidence around other than the clip there?
It's just that posters here are saying that the Dromid player started it by going at the Derrytresk official with the clipboard, but on that clip the Derrytresk guy with the clipboard (who is out of the technical area and in a zone he's not supposed to be) is the one advancing towards the players. Both men appear to be swinging at the same time but certainly the first thing I see is a Derrytresk player on the ground, no idea how he got there (though other posters say it was from a fair shoulder) and the Derrytresk official going to where he has no right to be - from a place that he has no right to be. How is everyone so sure that the Dromid man swung first? Please note I'm not saying he did or didn't, just that it's plain to see on the video that
We have Dromid number 4 and the clipboard guy swinging away, and guys with bibs in the area but nobody else initially doing anything violent. Then the Derrytresk number 18 is the next one on the scene getting involved, followed immediately by the Dromid number 5, followed by a lot of guys in bibs, who admittedly could be from anywhere since there are four different colour bibs, albeit two of the guys are wearing blue underneath, and then a lot of Derrytresk subs. One sub in particular makes several swings and kicks at a guy on the ground and anyone who defends that or says that he deserves to even sit in Croke Park, never mind tog out, is badly misguided.
What am I missing? It just seems to me that comments like this don't make sense.
Quote from: crossfire on January 23, 2012, 10:11:06 PM
The actions of the Tyrone subs is totally unacceptable. However, on listening to Joe Duffy Show and reading some of the posts here, you would think that Dromid were completely blameless. The first punches were thrown by numbers 4 and 5 from Dromid.
Now either there's another clip out there, or that's just plain wrong.
As for those that say this kind of thing happens all the time, I have to ask, what the hell kind of games do ye go to? I'm a GAA supporter, player and journalist and between the lot I take in an average of 4-5 games a week at all levels. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen multiple people getting involved from off the pitch, maybe four times that I can think of in the last 20 odd years.
The only instance I can think of in Offaly that came close was one where the referee was struck and that saw the club involved suspended for two years, albeit that was rescinded to no home games and a 10k fine (iirc) on appeal, as well as suspensions for the culprits and some committee members.
I'd imagine that Derrytresk can gear themselves up for something similar now. I'd also say that if I was Dromid Pearses, I'd stay in training. There has to be a very live chance that Derrytresk get thrown out here.
Bottom line.
Guy with clipboard doesnt interfere with Dromid player= no row.
The rest is just newspaper filler.
Quote from: Lone Shark on January 23, 2012, 11:45:29 PM
We have Dromid number 4 and the clipboard guy swinging away, and guys with bibs in the area but nobody else initially doing anything violent.
It's amazing how people see different things with the same clip. The lad with the clipboard I think makes one swipe which misses. The first time he puts his free hand up to block a swipe. Hardly 'swinging away'.
Quote from: ONeill on January 23, 2012, 11:29:05 PM
There's no doubt that subs/supporters should not be on the field. No one is excusing that and I'm sure the club expects punishment for that through the proper quarters. It's a massive pity this has happened as Derrytresk have no history of this at any level. They're a harmless junior club with a clean slate. Tensions ran high and the whole Kerry/Tyrone overtones were simmering and have been since the Omagh battle a few years ago.
What does stick in the throat is the abuse being levied at the Derrytresk players for their tactics, and then Tyrone/Ulster football beyond that. The first punch thrown was by a Dromid man at the man with the clipboard. Again, that doesn't excuse the incursion onto the field of the hyped-up subs and that response is regretted, no matter how exaggerated it has become.
Dromid had 2 reds and 9 yellows. The Hill had 2 yellows.
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How would senior county rivalry extend to junior club football? I can see effecting the way it is commented on and reported afterward, but how would be a contributing factor toward the row?
Looks like the Kerry lad down on the line started the rumpus and was then surprised by something that looked a worms-eye view of the first fence at Aintree! Subs lepping onto field should be getting a ban, most of the rest is just standard Kerry whinging.
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2012, 12:03:30 AM
Quote from: Lone Shark on January 23, 2012, 11:45:29 PM
We have Dromid number 4 and the clipboard guy swinging away, and guys with bibs in the area but nobody else initially doing anything violent.
It's amazing how people see different things with the same clip. The lad with the clipboard I think makes one swipe which misses. The first time he puts his free hand up to block a swipe. Hardly 'swinging away'.
Between number 4 and clipboard guy, I'm not trying to start a row when I say I genuinely couldn't pick one of them out as more sinned against or sinning - leaving out the fact that the clipboard guy shouldn't be anywhere near that of course.
However you can't deny that when the camera comes over to them first after around three seconds of the clip, it's the clipboard guy that's advancing, when there is no reason for him to do so? That much is indisputable and is more than enough to knock the whole "they started it" stuff on the head for me.
Frick me, more bad headlines and nobody to blame only ourselves. Why would the GAA take a tough line in this when they haven't before. If they had, shit like this wouldn't happen as much. Too many cute hoors on committees making sure boys get off the hook, most recent example being Ulster Council scaling back antrim county board's ban on rasharkin for attacking the ref. Families have a lot of choices these days about sport for wee Johnny, GAA would need to sort it but I have little faith. And the folks on this thread splitting hairs about who did what first are missing the long term big picture in a big way.
Quote from: Lone Shark on January 24, 2012, 12:13:46 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2012, 12:03:30 AM
Quote from: Lone Shark on January 23, 2012, 11:45:29 PM
We have Dromid number 4 and the clipboard guy swinging away, and guys with bibs in the area but nobody else initially doing anything violent.
It's amazing how people see different things with the same clip. The lad with the clipboard I think makes one swipe which misses. The first time he puts his free hand up to block a swipe. Hardly 'swinging away'.
Between number 4 and clipboard guy, I'm not trying to start a row when I say I genuinely couldn't pick one of them out as more sinned against or sinning - leaving out the fact that the clipboard guy shouldn't be anywhere near that of course.
However you can't deny that when the camera comes over to them first after around three seconds of the clip, it's the clipboard guy that's advancing, when there is no reason for him to do so? That much is indisputable and is more than enough to knock the whole "they started it" stuff on the head for me.
They seem to accept that fact themselves. - http://kerrygaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=3607&page=10#128942
One poster on one board that may or may not even be affiliated with the club is hardly "acceptance".
I am from Offaly - if I say that Edenderry won their county title this year due to a steroid programme started in the local school, does that mean it's gospel because I'm from the same county, a mere 40 miles away?
Regardless, the clipboard guy had no right to be there and his presence alone could be deemed to be "starting it", particularly if he was preventing a quick sideline or anything like that.
I don't know how many examples from Kerry men you need - http://kerrygaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=3607&page=10#128945 - but who started it isn't important anyway.
I think the time has come to ban Tyrone county and clubs from all competitions. Disgraceful scenes of violence are now the norm on the mean streets of Coalisland, Cookstown and Carrickmore. If they want to behave like animals open the county up as a Safari Park and invite big game hunters in for sport.
Must say its disgraceful watching that video just now. Derrytresk should be thrown out of the competition for the scandalous behaviour of their subs and a few of their players. From looking at the video footage released i feel that derrytresk are completely to blame for this happening. Why did 10-15 of their subs feel the need to jump the fence because of an altercation between a player and an official. Its not as if their club official was being attacked by 2/3 players in Maroon jerseys. Looking at the clip and there is only 5 seconds between when first attempted strike is made and when all the derrytresk subs are over the hoarding. Most of these are cowards who throw a sly dig when theres a group of them attacking a few of their opponents.
Croke park need to throw the book at these sides and throw them out of the competition and put a marker down to the rest of the country that they wont tolorate this no more. Another incident like this doesnt portray a great image of Tyrone football after a number of their clubs making the headlines for all the wrong reasons
As an aside, I'm not a great fan of the debate being diverted to "Tyrone clubs". Perhaps there is a cultural issue there or perhaps there isn't, to be honest it's not really relevant. This is about the actions of one club, and indeed the actions of one club in Kerry in as much as they may or may not have played a part.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 24, 2012, 12:46:15 AM
I think the time has come to ban Tyrone county and clubs from all competitions. Disgraceful scenes of violence are now the norm on the mean streets of Coalisland, Cookstown and Carrickmore. If they want to behave like animals open the county up as a Safari Park and invite big game hunters in for sport.
It didn't take long for the intellects to get involved in this debate. Brilliant stuff there....
GAA has the problem, big or small, and not just Tyrone. It's not a regular occuramce at Derrytresk games, nor is it an irregular occuramce across the country. When we watch how the GAA deal with the issue of paying managers, it's hardly a shock that they do not have a stronger line on on/off field violence.
To blame Derrytresk, Tyrone, or Northern football, is simply ignorant of the facts and blind to the truth.
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Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 24, 2012, 12:46:15 AM
I think the time has come to ban Tyrone county and clubs from all competitions. Disgraceful scenes of violence are now the norm on the mean streets of Coalisland, Cookstown and Carrickmore. If they want to behave like animals open the county up as a Safari Park and invite big game hunters in for sport.
It didn't take long for the intellects to get involved in this debate. Brilliant stuff there....
GAA has the problem, big or small, and not just Tyrone. It's not a regular occuramce at Derrytresk games, nor is it an irregular occuramce across the country. When we watch how the GAA deal with the issue of paying managers, it's hardly a shock that they do not have a stronger line on on/off field violence.
To blame Derrytresk, Tyrone, or Northern football, is simply ignorant of the facts and blind to the truth.
Sorry, but wha....?
Is this some sort of "society made me do it" kind of thing? Everybody is responsible for their own actions, and I certainly don't buy into the idea that this is all-pervasive in GAA culture.
Quote from: ONeill on January 23, 2012, 11:29:05 PM
There's no doubt that subs/supporters should not be on the field. No one is excusing that and I'm sure the club expects punishment for that through the proper quarters. It's a massive pity this has happened as Derrytresk have no history of this at any level. They're a harmless junior club with a clean slate. Tensions ran high and the whole Kerry/Tyrone overtones were simmering and have been since the Omagh battle a few years ago.
What does stick in the throat is the abuse being levied at the Derrytresk players for their tactics, and then Tyrone/Ulster football beyond that. The first punch thrown was by a Dromid man at the man with the clipboard. Again, that doesn't excuse the incursion onto the field of the hyped-up subs and that response is regretted, no matter how exaggerated it has become.
Dromid had 2 reds and 9 yellows. The Hill had 2 yellows.
That abuse being levied at Derrytresk players for their tactics is what sticks in your throat merely highlights how far you are removed from the point that most people are trying to make.
That you believe the hyped up response of the subs has been exaggerated is quite beyond belief.
I'm not wading in here to have a go at Derrytresk, Tyrone or Ulster (the scenes from Corofin fans were equally despicable)
An an organisation the line needs to be drawn - and that line needs to be that both sides are thrown out of the All Ireland Club championship (it's the fairest way), a play off between the provincial runners up to decide who advances.
Repeat the dose to all clubs across all competitions, they'll learn soon enough.
"That response is regretted" says your man.
No...
That response is wrong and unacceptable...
Now if we can get to that human and mature level then we can look at this responsibly..
As an Ulsrerman I have to say that our siege mentality sometimes blinds us to this obvious reality.
Shame on me - and Tyrone.
Quote from: stephenite on January 24, 2012, 01:59:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 23, 2012, 11:29:05 PM
There's no doubt that subs/supporters should not be on the field. No one is excusing that and I'm sure the club expects punishment for that through the proper quarters. It's a massive pity this has happened as Derrytresk have no history of this at any level. They're a harmless junior club with a clean slate. Tensions ran high and the whole Kerry/Tyrone overtones were simmering and have been since the Omagh battle a few years ago.
What does stick in the throat is the abuse being levied at the Derrytresk players for their tactics, and then Tyrone/Ulster football beyond that. The first punch thrown was by a Dromid man at the man with the clipboard. Again, that doesn't excuse the incursion onto the field of the hyped-up subs and that response is regretted, no matter how exaggerated it has become.
Dromid had 2 reds and 9 yellows. The Hill had 2 yellows.
That abuse being levied at Derrytresk players for their tactics is what sticks in your throat merely highlights how far you are removed from the point that most people are trying to make.
That you believe the hyped up response of the subs has been exaggerated is quite beyond belief.
I'm not wading in here to have a go at Derrytresk, Tyrone or Ulster (the scenes from Corofin fans were equally despicable)
An an organisation the line needs to be drawn - and that line needs to be that both sides are thrown out of the All Ireland Club championship (it's the fairest way), a play off between the provincial runners up to decide who advances.
Repeat the dose to all clubs across all competitions, they'll learn soon enough.
I suggest you read my post again. I said the incursion was wrong and will be dealt with I'm sure. What do you want? A pound of my flesh?
I see the Irish Examiner has a few more 'revelations' today. Apparently some in the Derrytresk crowd had earpieces in which suggests it was all planned, apparently. Also, three poor Dromid players had their testicles pulled before the game.
My word.
I think the key issue in the whole escalation of the row to the brutality that ensued was the subs getting involved after no more than 5 seconds from the start of the incident. At the stage that they must have jumped from their seats the incident was no more than would happen in a number of games.
That group of subs must be identified and the book thrown at them. There were also horrific reports on the radio of a player having to take the foetal position to avoid serious injury while being stamped upon by both players and supporters. Other stories of intimidation are also very concerning for GAA supporters countrywide.
As stated by someone earlier, the GAA need to seriously buck up and sort these issues out as this type of stuff is a cancer in the association and will lead to more and more people turning their backs on the associatin, I notice less and less people that I know & work with having any interest in the GAA.
This is unbelievable. Anyone would think dromids bus was ambushed and they were all taken out and given a punishment beating. Beyond a joke - there was a row, both sides were involved, the derrytresk subs got involved which they shouldnt have, thats the only difference (one would wonder why the dromid subs didnt also get up to try to protect their players, but anyway, and by protect I do just mean split up the fighting).
It seems to me the rest of it has turned into an us v those nordie bullies, which in national papers is an absolute disgrace
Shocking, absolutely shocking. The speed with which the Derrytresk subs became involved would suggest premeditation. And to think that the team is managed by a school master. The only option for the GAA is to ban Derrytresk from all competitions for at least a year.
The number of cards issued argument is that of a simpleton.
Quote from: haranguerer on January 24, 2012, 08:37:00 AM
This is unbelievable. Anyone would think dromids bus was ambushed and they were all taken out and given a punishment beating. Beyond a joke - there was a row, both sides were involved, the derrytresk subs got involved which they shouldnt have, thats the only difference (one would wonder why the dromid subs didnt also get up to try to protect their players, but anyway, and by protect I do just mean split up the fighting).
It seems to me the rest of it has turned into an us v those nordie bullies, which in national papers is an absolute disgrace
What does that mean? Are you suggesting the subs are cowardly for not rushing the pitch like the Derrytresk lads?
By the way I agree with your last statement. It has unpleasant undertones in the media about uncivilised Nordies. But I do not believe that is the Dromid agenda. They are disgusted with what happened on Sunday, not just in the row. To me, this is about 2 clubs, not about Tyrone, Kerry nor Ulster.
Quote from: hardstation on January 24, 2012, 08:47:49 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 24, 2012, 08:40:46 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 24, 2012, 08:37:00 AM
This is unbelievable. Anyone would think dromids bus was ambushed and they were all taken out and given a punishment beating. Beyond a joke - there was a row, both sides were involved, the derrytresk subs got involved which they shouldnt have, thats the only difference (one would wonder why the dromid subs didnt also get up to try to protect their players, but anyway, and by protect I do just mean split up the fighting).
It seems to me the rest of it has turned into an us v those nordie bullies, which in national papers is an absolute disgrace
What does that mean? Are you suggesting the subs are cowardly for not rushing the pitch like the Derrytresk lads?
By the way I agree with your last statement. It has unpleasant undertones in the media about uncivilised Nordies. But I do not believe that is the Dromid agenda. They are disgusted with what happened on Sunday, not just in the row. To me, this is about 2 clubs, not about Tyrone, Kerry nor Ulster.
They showed their disgust on Sunday, it seems. They had plenty of lads weighing in to throw digs "in disgust".
I see they're now on about getting their balls touched. ::)
What's next?
Bullshitters.
If what they say happened, happened, then it's out of order. Simple as that. I know you think they are whinging, and that's one point of view, but some things are just beyond the beyond on a football field. If that's deemed acceptable to you, well I suppose we just completely disagree about what is part of the game.
Quote from: haranguerer on January 24, 2012, 08:37:00 AM
This is unbelievable. Anyone would think dromids bus was ambushed and they were all taken out and given a punishment beating. Beyond a joke - there was a row, both sides were involved, the derrytresk subs got involved which they shouldnt have, thats the only difference (one would wonder why the dromid subs didnt also get up to try to protect their players, but anyway, and by protect I do just mean split up the fighting).
It seems to me the rest of it has turned into an us v those nordie bullies, which in national papers is an absolute disgrace
Because they obviously have a bit of class.
The lack of self-control displayed by the Derrytresk lads is indefensible. The GAA should be making an example out of them.
Quote"One of our substitutes, Micheal O'Shea, saw Thomas getting hit and went in to help him. He reckoned if he didn't, they would have killed him. Then there was five of them who got Denis Shine on the ground as well. They fractured his cheekbone, ripped the jersey off him and drove the boot into his back. His back is destroyed, he could barely move yesterday."
http://www.joe.ie/gaa/gaa-news/derrytresk-players-went-for-testicles-before-game-even-started-0019921-1 (http://www.joe.ie/gaa/gaa-news/derrytresk-players-went-for-testicles-before-game-even-started-0019921-1)
I think that there needs to be a bit of responsibility in how both clubs approach reports from the events, talk of fiddling and the Dromid manager's wife having to hide their kids under the seats for safety is just enflaming an already combustible situation. There is a clear undertone in all reporting that I have heard/read of Derrytresk being the main culprits and in some situations a clear anti nordie approach. If people want to question the siege mentality then listen with a completely unbiased ear to some news reports. What went on is wrong. Knee jerk shit benefits no one. Identify the culprits and ban them, both sides. The GAA needs to be seen to take a firm stance but it needs to be an even handed stance. I have no doubt that Derrytresk will be speaking to Fergal Logan soon in the event of large bans/expulsion from the competition. The GAA cannot leave themselves open for ridicule either when imposing punishments.
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2012, 07:44:54 AM
Quote from: stephenite on January 24, 2012, 01:59:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 23, 2012, 11:29:05 PM
There's no doubt that subs/supporters should not be on the field. No one is excusing that and I'm sure the club expects punishment for that through the proper quarters. It's a massive pity this has happened as Derrytresk have no history of this at any level. They're a harmless junior club with a clean slate. Tensions ran high and the whole Kerry/Tyrone overtones were simmering and have been since the Omagh battle a few years ago.
What does stick in the throat is the abuse being levied at the Derrytresk players for their tactics, and then Tyrone/Ulster football beyond that. The first punch thrown was by a Dromid man at the man with the clipboard. Again, that doesn't excuse the incursion onto the field of the hyped-up subs and that response is regretted, no matter how exaggerated it has become.
Dromid had 2 reds and 9 yellows. The Hill had 2 yellows.
That abuse being levied at Derrytresk players for their tactics is what sticks in your throat merely highlights how far you are removed from the point that most people are trying to make.
That you believe the hyped up response of the subs has been exaggerated is quite beyond belief.
I'm not wading in here to have a go at Derrytresk, Tyrone or Ulster (the scenes from Corofin fans were equally despicable)
An an organisation the line needs to be drawn - and that line needs to be that both sides are thrown out of the All Ireland Club championship (it's the fairest way), a play off between the provincial runners up to decide who advances.
Repeat the dose to all clubs across all competitions, they'll learn soon enough.
I suggest you read my post again. I said the incursion was wrong and will be dealt with I'm sure. What do you want? A pound of my flesh?
I've read your post again, and I addressed 2 points of your post, so to clarify, the incursion was wrong and exaggerated?
Quote from: hardstation on January 24, 2012, 07:49:27 AM
Quote from: stephenite on January 24, 2012, 01:59:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 23, 2012, 11:29:05 PM
There's no doubt that subs/supporters should not be on the field. No one is excusing that and I'm sure the club expects punishment for that through the proper quarters. It's a massive pity this has happened as Derrytresk have no history of this at any level. They're a harmless junior club with a clean slate. Tensions ran high and the whole Kerry/Tyrone overtones were simmering and have been since the Omagh battle a few years ago.
What does stick in the throat is the abuse being levied at the Derrytresk players for their tactics, and then Tyrone/Ulster football beyond that. The first punch thrown was by a Dromid man at the man with the clipboard. Again, that doesn't excuse the incursion onto the field of the hyped-up subs and that response is regretted, no matter how exaggerated it has become.
Dromid had 2 reds and 9 yellows. The Hill had 2 yellows.
That abuse being levied at Derrytresk players for their tactics is what sticks in your throat merely highlights how far you are removed from the point that most people are trying to make.
That you believe the hyped up response of the subs has been exaggerated is quite beyond belief.
I'm not wading in here to have a go at Derrytresk, Tyrone or Ulster (the scenes from Corofin fans were equally despicable)
An an organisation the line needs to be drawn - and that line needs to be that both sides are thrown out of the All Ireland Club championship (it's the fairest way), a play off between the provincial runners up to decide who advances.
Repeat the dose to all clubs across all competitions, they'll learn soon enough.
I do despair.
I want Meath stripped of their 1996 All Ireland after you two showers of cnuts disgraced our game at the highest level.
Despair all you want.
Say what you want about 1996, but there were no subs, selectors, managers, water boys, random fat c***ts with clipboards getting involved that day, you're not exactly comparing like with like but that's hardly a surprise.
Alot of pumped up lads there for sure... taking on the Kerry lads in an A-I semi is a big deal in Tyrone.
I think a suspended sentence would be apt in this instance if this is the first time the club have been involved in this type of incident - thrown out over this would be a shocking travesty imo
Just watched the footage there for the first time.
Fer f**k's sake is that what we've had 3 or 4 separate threads about!!
Hardstation has it about right. Dromid started a row, had their arses handed to them on a plate both in in the schmozzle and in the match. The number of reds and yellows does tell a story about who the agressors were.
Isn't about time we all moved on?
No harm to people but what happened in 1996, 2006, or any other year is irrelevant and weakens any argument to justify what has happened. There is a cultural problem that manifests itself during football matches which is deemed acceptable. It doesn't matter who started the fight nor what happened in other counties 20 odd years ago. There is a real problem in the sport now which needs to be addressed and if it means players missing out in the biggest day of their career then so be it. The flip side is though that an even hand needs to be shown.
As for how serious the row was, or how many cards were issued, there are 2 Dronid players seriously injured, one with bad concussion and one with a cracked jaw. This is wrong and cannot be brushed over.
Nordy Scum!
Quote from: robbedin82 on January 24, 2012, 09:32:44 AM
Nordy Scum!
Is Dromid not in South Kerry? ;)
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Quote from: haranguerer on January 24, 2012, 08:37:00 AM
This is unbelievable. Anyone would think dromids bus was ambushed and they were all taken out and given a punishment beating. Beyond a joke - there was a row, both sides were involved, the derrytresk subs got involved which they shouldnt have, thats the only difference (one would wonder why the dromid subs didnt also get up to try to protect their players, but anyway, and by protect I do just mean split up the fighting).
It seems to me the rest of it has turned into an us v those nordie bullies, which in national papers is an absolute disgrace
What does that mean? Are you suggesting the subs are cowardly for not rushing the pitch like the Derrytresk lads?
By the way I agree with your last statement. It has unpleasant undertones in the media about uncivilised Nordies. But I do not believe that is the Dromid agenda. They are disgusted with what happened on Sunday, not just in the row. To me, this is about 2 clubs, not about Tyrone, Kerry nor Ulster.
They showed their disgust on Sunday, it seems. They had plenty of lads weighing in to throw digs "in disgust".
I see they're now on about getting their balls touched. ::)
What's next?
Bullshitters.
If what they say happened, happened, then it's out of order. Simple as that. I know you think they are whinging, and that's one point of view, but some things are just beyond the beyond on a football field. If that's deemed acceptable to you, well I suppose we just completely disagree about what is part of the game.
There are two sides to every story so who is to say Dromid weren't at the same. I mean, when you heard reports initially, they managed to leave out the small detail that the melee began when their player smacked the Derrytresk manager.
HS,
There is indeed two sides to every story but having been there and seen the antics of "some" of the Derrytresk men from before the ball was thrown in and in particular the treatment dished out to O'Sullivan its a load of balls to sit there and call them bullshitters. The same gulpins then tried to rub his nose into it after the match. A slap in the mouth would be to good for them.
Will the GAA now call a special "in camera" meeting with leading Co Board officials to discuss the real cancer at the heart of the GAA - indiscipline and failure to tackle it -.
Tyrone also has an issue here as this kind of crap seems to have become embedded in their GAA culture -- perhaps the saviour of all GAA things pure - Mark Conway - could set up an organisation to root this crap out of Tyrone.
As for the GAA at National level - the very least they can do is expel Derrytresk from the club championship.
Meanwhile another few hundred mothers will make sure their children do not play Gaelic games.
Its quite sad that nearly every few weeks now there is threads on this sort of incident on this board and on the front pages of the national print media.
It is becoming far too common and serious action needs to be taken at any guilty party, a marker needs to be laid down to bring our house back in order. It is very much becoming acceptable for subs and spectators to become involved and have access to the picch. This is crazy in fairness and its only a matter of time before something very serious happens. The excuses been thrown up are laughable.
The GAA needs to take a hands on approach and get involved from the off, be far more reactive and hand out punishments as soon as possible after these events to all parties involved. Too often it takes weeks, if not months, for the punishments to be handed out and by then its off the front pages and back to the sports pages where it is lost to the general public. Also this practice of handing out bans and then cutting then on appeal has to be stopped. If a player appeals it should be on the grounds that they have new evidence to suggest that they weren't involved or were wrongly punished, if not increase the ban. Too often these appeals are made on technicalities and compassionate grounds. Its a joke.
Does anyone see the number 6 get the dig that concussed him? I must be missing it or something. I can see him being restrained to the right of the picture at the end but didnt see him getting hit.
QuoteThe number of reds and yellows does tell a story about who the agressors were.
It does nothing of the sort. Even looking at the video, I find it hard to sort out who is who and to take in all of the things going on. In real time, the officials couldn't possibly ensure that they spotted everything.
I would say that if you asked 10 people from GAABaord to take that video and note all of the offences that you'd have 10 different lists. While there are issues with refereeing in the GAA, it has to be accepted that officials are not omniscient and cannot be.
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If what they say happened, happened, then it's out of order. Simple as that. I know you think they are whinging, and that's one point of view, but some things are just beyond the beyond on a football field. If that's deemed acceptable to you, well I suppose we just completely disagree about what is part of the game.
There are two sides to every story so who is to say Dromid weren't at the same. I mean, when you heard reports initially, they managed to leave out the small detail that the melee began when their player smacked the Derrytresk manager.
HS,
There is indeed two sides to every story but having been there and seen the antics of "some" of the Derrytresk men from before the ball was thrown in and in particular the treatment dished out to O'Sullivan its a load of balls to sit there and call them bullshitters. The same gulpins then tried to rub his nose into it after the match. A slap in the mouth would be to good for them.
Was that intentional oakleaf??
The fight itself was bad enough, but sadly it's not that uncommon. The two things that disappoint me most and would make it hard to argue with those who have no time for the GAA are:
1. Subs and club 'officials' leaping over the hoarding to get involved. There is absolutely no circumstances when that is tolerable and they should be made examples of. I was listening to the radio this morning and the incident was discussed at length on both Today FM and Newstalk. This is a PR disaster for the GAA, and people would want to stop burying their heads in the sand trying to pretend "there's nothing to see here".
2. The response on this board by many of the posters, mainly from Ulster it has to be said, who are trying to downplay what happened as Dromid/Kerry bitterness. With that kind of attitude there is no hope of this shite being stamped out from the grassroots. I'd seriously doubt there is the appetite to stop this kind of behaviour, some seem to view it as 'passion' and 'part of the game' because it's 'a man's game'.
You have to hand it to Dromid-they are really goin to town in the media. I spoke to a lady who travelled to the match with her children from Derrytresk only to be met with a barrage of "Northern scum" taunts from Dromid fans the whole way through the match. She said it was relentless and not for her children to hear.
According to her, Dromid were trying to tr**p Derrytresk into the ground from the whistle blew-(don't forget how young this Derrytresk team is) and were lucky to have so many men on the pitch at half time-radio coverage seemed to back this up.
Also-post match melee seemed to start when a certain high profile Dromid player punched a young Derrytresk player in the face, after he offered a handshake. That's what I heard.
So let's be fair and take into account the two sides, instead of rolling on the crest of a cleverly constructed media campaign by Dromid Pearses.
Against all the odds in nearly all the matches, Derrytresk have progressed to the final of this competition and I commend them for standing up against some of the best in the country. What those subs did was wrong, but they are young and inexperienced and will learn from it. They have never been faced by the situation created by the actions of the Dromid Pearses players that day.
Dromid, you lost, get over it.
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Does anyone see the number 6 get the dig that concussed him? I must be missing it or something. I can see him being restrained to the right of the picture at the end but didnt see him getting hit.
It was number 9, Thomas Curran, that got concussed. It happens on the left of the video, when his face is turned away, and he is struck by a guy in a grey hoodie. Number 10 is then struck by a smaller rounder guy, again when he was looking away. The same small round guy then joined in the crowd surrounding the number 5, who is on the ground, and swings a kick at him.
I wish it wasn't a crowd from Tyrone versus a crowd from Kerry, because it's too easy for people on all sides to fall into the trap of 'us' v 'them', which is ridiculous. It's all 'us', and it's our association.
And this talk of who won the row is straight off the playground. It's easy enough win a row when there's 30 of one crowd against 5 or 6 of the other. They're fairly good odds, but that argument is irrelevant anyway.
i'm really starting to fear for derrytresk now.
2 major problems for the hill are:
(1) the guy in the hoodie who jumps from the stand and takes out midfielder thomas curran (who had already scored 2 points from play) and who is unable to play in the 2nd half due to concussion.
(2) the derrytresk no. 11 can be seen striking a dromid player on the ground (17 secs) and he then goes on to score a crucial goal in the 2nd half.
it's obvious dromid started the row when their player struck a derrytresk mentor. however croke park will probably not focus on why it happened but rather they'll focus on the melee from when it happened.
I remeber in the 1980s in Ballinalsloe seeing a fight in a hurling match with spectators involved! This kind of thing has happened a lot down the years and if nothing has been done in the past it won't be done now! It's a pity as it gives the more ignorant a stick to beat us with! In 2009 in the Munster Club football Junior final in Tralee there were disgraceful scenes as spectators and players/officials became involved in a huge fight there. I can't wait for the first person in Castlegregory to mention the fight on Sunday as I will remind them of that match!!It is a shame that it is a Tyrone team involved in this as the temptation to smear all Tyrone/Northern teams must be huge for those same ignorant people! It's time to try to put a stop to it though so I would suggest that the culprits be banned in particular those subs who jumped over the hoardings to get involved! That inflamed the situation and there is no excuse for that! Both clubs have a case to answer for sure! I remember when we were doing some work on our pitch in Blarney a few years ago, we had wanted to put teams on opposing sides of the pitch. We were told that we had to install both new dug outs on the same side as the sideline official would have to have access to both panels on the same side of the pitch!! Isn't it time to examine something like this? Also don't pitches have to have some kind of fencing on the side of the pitch? It would help woudn't it?? Reading Michael Clifford's article makes for awkward reading today ( in the Examiner)! I really don't want to have to keep reading those kind of articles!!
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Does anyone see the number 6 get the dig that concussed him? I must be missing it or something. I can see him being restrained to the right of the picture at the end but didnt see him getting hit.
It was number 9, Thomas Curran, that got concussed. It happens on the left of the video, when his face is turned away, and he is struck by a guy in a grey hoodie. Number 10 is then struck by a smaller rounder guy, again when he was looking away. The same small round guy then joined in the crowd surrounding the number 5, who is on the ground, and swings a kick at him.
I wish it wasn't a crowd from Tyrone versus a crowd from Kerry, because it's too easy for people on all sides to fall into the trap of 'us' v 'them', which is ridiculous. It's all 'us', and it's our association.
And this talk of who won the row is straight off the playground. It's easy enough win a row when there's 30 of one crowd against 5 or 6 of the other. They're fairly good odds, but that argument is irrelevant anyway.
Yeah that's why i was confused sloppy journalism, just looking a cheap shot at the GAA and couldn't even watch the tape himself.
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Does anyone see the number 6 get the dig that concussed him? I must be missing it or something. I can see him being restrained to the right of the picture at the end but didnt see him getting hit.
It was number 9, Thomas Curran, that got concussed. It happens on the left of the video, when his face is turned away, and he is struck by a guy in a grey hoodie. Number 10 is then struck by a smaller rounder guy, again when he was looking away. The same small round guy then joined in the crowd surrounding the number 5, who is on the ground, and swings a kick at him.
In the interest of fairness, let's say that Number 5 wasn't trying to walk away at any stage.
True. But it's also true to say that at that stage he wasn't able to walk away as he was on the ground with about 8 people 'attending' to him. Look, I'm compromised here because of my natural bias towards Dromid and some of their players, but I'm trying to be honest in what I saw on the video. I hope to see the full video as well, and that might tell a story. My honest opinion of that incident (because that's the only incident I've seen) is that the Derrytresk mentors should not have been involved in the initial incident, the Dromid players should not have run in to confront the mentors, and the Derrytresk subs should not have entered the field of play at all. I then think that when they did enter the field they took grevious advantage of their numerical superiority to dish out uncalled for digs, which is not manly in my point of view anyway.
That's all I'm going to say about it, because I'll struggle to be any more objective than that.
By the way, I also should say (just to contradict myself about saying no more) that I don't see any supporters involved in that row. I think people from Dromid might be confused about supporters in that row because the subs in Portlaoise come in from the stands. Not that it mitigates the substitutes actions in any way, but it is important to be fair to the supporters too. I saw mentors and subs, not fans.
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don't forget how young this Derrytresk team is
Irrelevant. I have coached several underage teams and not one player I ever encountered behaved in such a reckless manner.
Quote from: Whishtup on January 24, 2012, 09:56:58 AM
cleverly constructed media campaign by Dromid Pearses.
They're a very small club from the Iveragh Peninsula. Not feckin' Tony O'Reilly, Denis O'Brien or Rupert Murdoch.
Quote from: Whishtup on January 24, 2012, 09:56:58 AM
What those subs did was wrong, but they are young and inexperienced and will learn from it.
Their actions are indefensible regardless of age or experience. Any man playing senior football is old enough to be responsible for his own actions. They should be facing serious sanctions but I won't be holding my breath.
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Does anyone see the number 6 get the dig that concussed him? I must be missing it or something. I can see him being restrained to the right of the picture at the end but didnt see him getting hit.
It was number 9, Thomas Curran, that got concussed. It happens on the left of the video, when his face is turned away, and he is struck by a guy in a grey hoodie. Number 10 is then struck by a smaller rounder guy, again when he was looking away. The same small round guy then joined in the crowd surrounding the number 5, who is on the ground, and swings a kick at him.
In the interest of fairness, let's say that Number 5 wasn't trying to walk away at any stage.
True. But it's also true to say that at that stage he wasn't able to walk away as he was on the ground with about 8 people 'attending' to him. Look, I'm compromised here because of my natural bias towards Dromid and some of their players, but I'm trying to be honest in what I saw on the video. I hope to see the full video as well, and that might tell a story. My honest opinion of that incident (because that's the only incident I've seen) is that the Derrytresk mentors should not have been involved in the initial incident, the Dromid players should not have run in to confront the mentors, and the Derrytresk subs should not have entered the field of play at all. I then think that when they did enter the field they took grevious advantage of their numerical superiority to dish out uncalled for digs, which is not manly in my point of view anyway.
That's all I'm going to say about it, because I'll struggle to be any more objective than that.
By the way, I also should say (just to contradict myself) that I don't see any supporters involved in that row. I think people from Dromid might be confused about supporters in that row because the subs in Portlaoise come in from the stands. Not that it mitigates the substitutes actions in any way, but it is important to be fair to the supporters too. I saw mentors and subs, not fans.
Just to be clear, all digs from both teams were uncalled for, not just those digs from Derrytresk subs.
Sorry, bad choice of words. What I meant was that some of the digs from the subs were on people who were not looking at them, in situations where they were outnumbering the man they were blindsiding by about 3 or 4 to 1 at least. That's what I meant.
dont forget that dromids neighbours (st mary's cahirchiveen) went all the way last year to all-ireland junior glory.
dromid thought they had the god given right to do the same but derrytresk sent them home with their tails between their legs.
and now because dromid cant take their beating they are doing everything they can to hurt derrytresk big time.
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dont forget that dromids neighbours (st mary's cahirchiveen) went all the way last year to all-ireland junior glory.
dromid thought they had the god given right to do the same but derrytresk sent them home with their tails between their legs.
and now because dromid cant take their beating they are doing everything they can to hurt derrytresk big time.
Untrue and unfair. Dromid were very worried about this fixture. Dromid have lost many games over the years, and a good few that meant a lot to them. This has never been their reaction before. I won't accept this 'can't take their beating' nonsense. In fact one of the lads I was talking to yesterday said, and I'm trying to quote 'I wouldn't mind but they were great footballers, there was no need for this'.
The world in which the GAA operates has changed dramatically since the 1980's While in the past the GAA authorities could pay lip service to these incidents but actually do nothing substantial about them, they can no longer afford to do this. Soccer has established itself in every rural community in the country and rugby is fast following suit. Munster and Leinster didnt exist in the rugby world in the way they do now. International sports media are beaming images of professional sports into the homes of kids and their parents and domestic commercial media are chomping at the bit to generate as much column inches and air time as they can from any falls that the GAA self inflict.
It hasnt fallen to the extent the catholic church has, obviously, but similarly, The GAA is in a much less deferrential environment.
If something substantial is done in relation to this incident, unfortunately it will not be for the right reasons, but the end result will be the same.
Because teh GAA can not afford to do nothing, again.
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Does anyone see the number 6 get the dig that concussed him? I must be missing it or something. I can see him being restrained to the right of the picture at the end but didnt see him getting hit.
It was number 9, Thomas Curran, that got concussed. It happens on the left of the video, when his face is turned away, and he is struck by a guy in a grey hoodie. Number 10 is then struck by a smaller rounder guy, again when he was looking away. The same small round guy then joined in the crowd surrounding the number 5, who is on the ground, and swings a kick at him.
In the interest of fairness, let's say that Number 5 wasn't trying to walk away at any stage.
True. But it's also true to say that at that stage he wasn't able to walk away as he was on the ground with about 8 people 'attending' to him. Look, I'm compromised here because of my natural bias towards Dromid and some of their players, but I'm trying to be honest in what I saw on the video. I hope to see the full video as well, and that might tell a story. My honest opinion of that incident (because that's the only incident I've seen) is that the Derrytresk mentors should not have been involved in the initial incident, the Dromid players should not have run in to confront the mentors, and the Derrytresk subs should not have entered the field of play at all. I then think that when they did enter the field they took grevious advantage of their numerical superiority to dish out uncalled for digs, which is not manly in my point of view anyway.
That's all I'm going to say about it, because I'll struggle to be any more objective than that.
By the way, I also should say (just to contradict myself) that I don't see any supporters involved in that row. I think people from Dromid might be confused about supporters in that row because the subs in Portlaoise come in from the stands. Not that it mitigates the substitutes actions in any way, but it is important to be fair to the supporters too. I saw mentors and subs, not fans.
Just to be clear, all digs from both teams were uncalled for, not just those digs from Derrytresk subs.
Sorry, bad choice of words. What I meant was that some of the digs from the subs were on people who were not looking at them, in situations where they were outnumbering the man they were blindsiding by about 3 or 4 to 1 at least. That's what I meant.
Number 5 enters the row by pushing two people and hitting someone a punch from behind.
That is just not true. He pushed one mentor, turned around and pushed another mentor, and then swung around and got involved with number 18. He did not punch anybody from behind. I've just looked at that video clip again. Anyone know how to post a clip here?
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Quote from: Whishtup on January 24, 2012, 09:56:58 AM
don't forget how young this Derrytresk team is
Irrelevant. I have coached several underage teams and not one player I ever encountered behaved in such a reckless manner.
Quote from: Whishtup on January 24, 2012, 09:56:58 AM
cleverly constructed media campaign by Dromid Pearses.
They're a very small club from the Iveragh Peninsula. Not feckin' Tony O'Reilly, Denis O'Brien or Rupert Murdoch.
Quote from: Whishtup on January 24, 2012, 09:56:58 AM
What those subs did was wrong, but they are young and inexperienced and will learn from it.
Their actions are indefensible regardless of age or experience. Any man playing senior football is old enough to be responsible for his own actions. They should be facing serious sanctions but I won't be holding my breath.
1. So, you think that a team of fit teenagers will react better to rough-house tactics than a team of experienced campaigners-that's surprising.
2. One of their members brought it to the Joe Duffy-it has been brought to rte/bbc-D o'Sullivan Comments, Their manager's comments, etc!
3. Nobody is defending their actions.
Quote from: clarshack on January 24, 2012, 10:16:27 AM
dont forget that dromids neighbours (st mary's cahirchiveen) went all the way last year to all-ireland junior glory.
dromid thought they had the god given right to do the same but derrytresk sent them home with their tails between their legs.
and now because dromid cant take their beating they are doing everything they can to hurt derrytresk big time.
This attitude is going to get us nowhere. Its not about winning or losing at these times. Its about punishing wrong doing. Gracious winners or losers a thing of the past?
Like Lone Shark I'd be interested in seeing any other footage of the start of the incident. From the footage that's there a few thoughts:
The Derrytresk subs are a disgrace, I count at least 9 who jump the barrier, they should all be identified and barred from the final (If Derrytresk are allowed play it). If they can't hold their composure in O'Moore Park they certainly have no business sitting in the subs area in Croke Park. Also, it seems to be mostly these pumped up subs who do all the blindside hitting and kicking on the ground.
There are too many "bibs" on the sideline. HQ wanted to ban managers from the sideline a couple of years ago, that's a step too far IMO but all the bibs need to be benched.
That fella in the green hoodie under the jacket is a fan in my eyes.
The Derrytresk no 8 is some tool following Declan O'Sullivan around, a real gear grinder of mine.
Quote from: hardstation on January 24, 2012, 10:28:09 AM
He throws a belt at 18, from behind, then goes for him again.
He does not hardstation. Come on now.
Runs in and pushes mentor 1
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turns to mentor 2
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Swings away from mentor 2
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Joins group around dromid number 4
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Drags number 18 out of group
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At no stage does he swing a punch in the early going.
My opinion, regardless of how one team felt about how the other was playing the game, there is no excuse for a sub/supporter entering the field of play.
There is also no excuse for a player on the field going for a member of the management team of the opposing side.
Each and every player, from both teams, who threw a punch/kick should be suspended. This will require the co-operation of both clubs in identifying all players/management/supporters involved.
Refusal of the clubs to co-operate IMO should incur a club level punishment.
From looking at that clip, looks like Dromid started the fracas - Derrytresk all piled in - and there were more than one Dromid players running into the mellee that ensued. There are no innocent parties as far as I can tell.
The fact that during the course of the game that Dromid had 2 reds and so many yellows though perhaps gives an indication of the approach they were taking to the game and "could" explain why the derrytresk players were so vociferous in their response. That doesnt excuse their response though.
Like I said, all players/supporter/management involved need to be identified and suspended. The result should stand as the referee permitted the game to continue. To change the result would be to say the referee got it wrong, something that never happens in GAA-land.
Take all the tyrone-kerry-north-south bias out of it as that door swings both ways. This incident should be treated on its own merits.
Anyone care to comment on the actions of the Dromid nos 10 and 4? That's right at the beginning of the clip before the Derrytresk sideline weighs in? Disgrace, book thrown at them, no place in the GAA, or carried away in the heat of the moment?
A non-story. Sure the Derrytresk lads would have got a bigger skelping than that for forgetting they had homework to do.
Derrytresk won and have the support of all of Tyrone.
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A non-story.
Derrytresk won and have the support of all of Tyrone.
And therein lies the problem. :(
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 24, 2012, 10:37:52 AM
Like Lone Shark I'd be interested in seeing any other footage of the start of the incident. From the footage that's there a few thoughts:
The Derrytresk subs are a disgrace, I count at least 9 who jump the barrier, they should all be identified and barred from the final (If Derrytresk are allowed play it). If they can't hold their composure in O'Moore Park they certainly have no business sitting in the subs area in Croke Park. Also, it seems to be mostly these pumped up subs who do all the blindside hitting and kicking on the ground.
There are too many "bibs" on the sideline. HQ wanted to ban managers from the sideline a couple of years ago, that's a step too far IMO but all the bibs need to be benched.
That fella in the green hoodie under the jacket is a fan in my eyes.
The Derrytresk no 8 is some tool following Declan O'Sullivan around, a real gear grinder of mine.
Fella with hoodie is wearing football boots. You seem to totally ignore the fact that the Dromid player swingin at the mentor has started this. The much bandied 'disgrace' word should be applied to all wrongdoers here if you are going to use it.
Don't forget that according to two different radio reports, O'Sullivan was lucky to be on the field at this stage. Jaysus-i'd be following him around...
That's not a punch there's noone in the area. the mentor is holding his jersey and he swings his arm out. I'm now going to try and still capture that :D
Quote from: fearglasmor on January 24, 2012, 10:24:28 AM
The world in which the GAA operates has changed dramatically since the 1980's While in the past the GAA authorities could pay lip service to these incidents but actually do nothing substantial about them, they can no longer afford to do this. Soccer has established itself in every rural community in the country and rugby is fast following suit. Munster and Leinster didnt exist in the rugby world in the way they do now. International sports media are beaming images of professional sports into the homes of kids and their parents and domestic commercial media are chomping at the bit to generate as much column inches and air time as they can from any falls that the GAA self inflict.
It hasnt fallen to the extent the catholic church has, obviously, but similarly, The GAA is in a much less deferrential environment.
If something substantial is done in relation to this incident, unfortunately it will not be for the right reasons, but the end result will be the same.
Because teh GAA can not afford to do nothing, again.
An oft-quoted truism (though more usually halfwitticism) is that the 3 pillars of Irish society were the Catholic Church, Fianna Fail and the GAA. I'm not sure what pillar implies, but lets run with it,
The first 2 seriously damaged their standing due to an unacceptably high tolerance for wrong-doing and wrong-doers within their ranks.
You can learn from your own mistakes, but its always better to learn from the mistakes of others.
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 24, 2012, 10:48:55 AM
A non-story.
Derrytresk won and have the support of all of Tyrone.
And therein lies the problem. :(
On a lighter note, spoke to a Roscommon man yesterday, whose brothers both played county football and explained what had happened.
'Well, fair play to them', he said.
'Aye, but it's a pity that the subs did that as they might throw them out'
'Sure, won't it have been worth it? Them Kerry hoors have been gettin away with that since the fifties!'
I am right :D He's swinging around but he is not 'punching' anybody. These 3 stills are as good as I'm going to get it. His fist is clenched, but no way is he throwing a punch, there's no follow through, or target even, as you can see from where his hand ends up in frame 3.
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Quote from: Rossfan on January 24, 2012, 10:50:56 AM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 24, 2012, 10:48:55 AM
A non-story.
Derrytresk won and have the support of all of Tyrone.
And therein lies the problem. :(
Faux pas rage. Derrytresk are a small rural club that plays in a raised up piece of a bog. The roads have to be replaced every 3/4 years cos they keep slipping into the ground. They have propped up the Tyrone ACL for years. They have worked hard and kept plugging away when it would have been easier to accept defeat and non-entity. They were psyched, their subs misbehaved but they as a club are an admirable bunch and no amount of Dick Clerkins or Southern Journalists are going to make me think any f*cking differently.
Kerry men dont like it when they are stood up to. They would cut you down and do the dirty acts all day long and hide behind the myth that they are whiter than white. We have seen it this last 10 years. They have been involved in some of the most sickening acts ever witnessed in HQ.
Quote from: Whishtup on January 24, 2012, 10:58:19 AM
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A non-story.
Derrytresk won and have the support of all of Tyrone.
And therein lies the problem. :(
On a lighter note, spoke to a Roscommon man yesterday, whose brothers both played county football and explained what had happened.
'Well, fair play to them', he said.
'Aye, but it's a pity that the subs did that as they might throw them out'
'Sure, won't it have been worth it? Them Kerry hoors have been gettin away with that since the fifties!'
1946 All Ireland Semi Final actually when the football purists from Antrim were cynically cut down by coached fouling and off the ball assaults from an inferior Kerry side. The GAA and Joe Duffy chose to ignore it and we ended up in O'Moore Park on Sunday ;)
Worried about this NFL fixture in Croke. Tyrone, Kerry and Dublin fans in the cauldron. Hopefully the civil Lilywhites will keep tabs on us all.
Quote from: hardstation on January 24, 2012, 11:03:49 AM
The 9 that everyone is worried about went flying in like he was going to kill dead things, only to shite himself on arrival.
Youre giving this some review!
why did CR Videos (based in south kerry) only release footage of the melee before h/t and not of the melee at the end?
would be interesting to see what the footage at the end of the game shows.
like an earlier poster said i strongly suspect the final will not be on the 12th feb - there will be suspensions, appeals and dra hearings before this is all over, by which time the hill will probably have lost focus/momentum on the football side of things.
Quote from: clarshack on January 24, 2012, 11:07:20 AM
why did CR Videos (based in south kerry) only release footage of the melee before h/t and not of the melee at the end?
would be interesting to see what the footage at the end of the game shows.
like an earlier poster said i strongly suspect the final will not be on the 12th feb - there will be suspensions, appeals and dra hearings before this is all over, by which time the hill will probably have lost focus/momentum on the football side of things.
Because the melee at the end was started by a secret crack squad of Dromid snipers, who can clearly be seen ascending to the top of the stand in Portlaoise in the video. Their identity cannot be compromised. At least, that's what I presume.
I'd say CR videos would release it all, but the news companies only wanted footage of the 'brawl'.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 24, 2012, 11:13:41 AM
Quote from: clarshack on January 24, 2012, 11:07:20 AM
why did CR Videos (based in south kerry) only release footage of the melee before h/t and not of the melee at the end?
would be interesting to see what the footage at the end of the game shows.
like an earlier poster said i strongly suspect the final will not be on the 12th feb - there will be suspensions, appeals and dra hearings before this is all over, by which time the hill will probably have lost focus/momentum on the football side of things.
Because the melee at the end was started by a secret crack squad of Dromid snipers, who can clearly be seen ascending to the top of the stand in Portlaoise in the video. Their identity cannot be compromised. At least, that's what I presume.
I'd say CR videos would release it all, but the news companies only wanted footage of the 'brawl'.
AZ if you look carefully you can see Jack O'Connor on the grassy knoll behind the stand ;)
There hasn't been a crack sniper in Dromid since 1922, now in Derrytresk...
There seems to a bit of a pattern rising here
Stewartstown v Ballymacnab 2006
Tyrone v Dublin NFL in omagh 2006
Dromore v Clonoe 2008
Dromore v Carrickmore 2011
Carrickmore Ladies game 2011
Now we have Derrytresk involved in a row 2012
i know it takes 2 to tango but the tyrone county board would need to take a serious look at this
Quote from: AQMP on January 24, 2012, 11:15:25 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 24, 2012, 11:13:41 AM
Quote from: clarshack on January 24, 2012, 11:07:20 AM
why did CR Videos (based in south kerry) only release footage of the melee before h/t and not of the melee at the end?
would be interesting to see what the footage at the end of the game shows.
like an earlier poster said i strongly suspect the final will not be on the 12th feb - there will be suspensions, appeals and dra hearings before this is all over, by which time the hill will probably have lost focus/momentum on the football side of things.
Because the melee at the end was started by a secret crack squad of Dromid snipers, who can clearly be seen ascending to the top of the stand in Portlaoise in the video. Their identity cannot be compromised. At least, that's what I presume.
I'd say CR videos would release it all, but the news companies only wanted footage of the 'brawl'.
AZ if you look carefully you can see Jack O'Connor on the grassy knoll behind the stand ;)
There hasn't been a crack sniper in Dromid since 1922, now in Derrytresk...
I'd say Jack is bringing out another book. :D
Quote from: robbedin82 on January 24, 2012, 09:32:44 AM
Nordy Scum!
Imagine someone from Limerick talking about
SCUM. ::)
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Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 24, 2012, 10:37:52 AM
Like Lone Shark I'd be interested in seeing any other footage of the start of the incident. From the footage that's there a few thoughts:
The Derrytresk subs are a disgrace, I count at least 9 who jump the barrier, they should all be identified and barred from the final (If Derrytresk are allowed play it). If they can't hold their composure in O'Moore Park they certainly have no business sitting in the subs area in Croke Park. Also, it seems to be mostly these pumped up subs who do all the blindside hitting and kicking on the ground.
There are too many "bibs" on the sideline. HQ wanted to ban managers from the sideline a couple of years ago, that's a step too far IMO but all the bibs need to be benched.
That fella in the green hoodie under the jacket is a fan in my eyes.
The Derrytresk no 8 is some tool following Declan O'Sullivan around, a real gear grinder of mine.
Fella with hoodie is wearing football boots.
Those look more like trainers, an essential fashion accessory round the loughshore.
I was talking to a boy in work from Derrytresk and he said he wasn't a bit surprised by their actions; apparently they're all lunatics and he had to get out and live somewhere more civilised before he too ended up like the rest of them.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on January 24, 2012, 11:18:46 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on January 24, 2012, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 24, 2012, 10:37:52 AM
Like Lone Shark I'd be interested in seeing any other footage of the start of the incident. From the footage that's there a few thoughts:
The Derrytresk subs are a disgrace, I count at least 9 who jump the barrier, they should all be identified and barred from the final (If Derrytresk are allowed play it). If they can't hold their composure in O'Moore Park they certainly have no business sitting in the subs area in Croke Park. Also, it seems to be mostly these pumped up subs who do all the blindside hitting and kicking on the ground.
There are too many "bibs" on the sideline. HQ wanted to ban managers from the sideline a couple of years ago, that's a step too far IMO but all the bibs need to be benched.
That fella in the green hoodie under the jacket is a fan in my eyes.
The Derrytresk no 8 is some tool following Declan O'Sullivan around, a real gear grinder of mine.
Fella with hoodie is wearing football boots.
Those look more like trainers, an essential fashion accessory round the loughshore.
I was talking to a boy in work from Derrytresk and he said he wasn't a bit surprised by their actions; apparently they're all lunatics and he had to get out and live somewhere more civilised before he too ended up like the rest of them.
Funny enough i was tlaking to a man this morning from Arboe and he was telling me there is a family of women who are always fighting and he said he would bet his life that if someone hit declan o sullivan with handbag it would be one of them, he reckoned they are absolute lunatics
Quote from: hardstation on January 24, 2012, 11:18:32 AM
AZ, what are Dromid's main complaints? The subs jumped on and outnumbered them alright but Dromid had a right number in there fighting too and they started it.
I thought it would have been a lot worse before I saw the footage, the way they were going on.
Dromids main complaint is that the Subs came in from the stand, and the kicking and shoeing that number 5 got on the ground from said subs, plus the blows that #9 got from the subs. Their main issue is the subs coming in and basically arriving like a mob.
As I said, I also think Dromid are mixing up subs with supporters. I still can't see supporters over the wall on the pitch. One or two are tempted, but don't go. I think hoodie guy, black cap guy and short fat guy are either subs or backroom team.
Just had a look at the video of it there on youtube after hearing about it yesterday, On first glance does the Derrytresk lad with the clipboard not throw a kick at the number four right at the start of this before the corner back reacts, in the three to four second mark and it all kicks off.
Quote from: Whishtup on January 24, 2012, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 24, 2012, 10:37:52 AM
Like Lone Shark I'd be interested in seeing any other footage of the start of the incident. From the footage that's there a few thoughts:
The Derrytresk subs are a disgrace, I count at least 9 who jump the barrier, they should all be identified and barred from the final (If Derrytresk are allowed play it). If they can't hold their composure in O'Moore Park they certainly have no business sitting in the subs area in Croke Park. Also, it seems to be mostly these pumped up subs who do all the blindside hitting and kicking on the ground.
There are too many "bibs" on the sideline. HQ wanted to ban managers from the sideline a couple of years ago, that's a step too far IMO but all the bibs need to be benched.
That fella in the green hoodie under the jacket is a fan in my eyes.
The Derrytresk no 8 is some tool following Declan O'Sullivan around, a real gear grinder of mine.
Fella with hoodie is wearing football boots. You seem to totally ignore the fact that the Dromid player swingin at the mentor has started this. The much bandied 'disgrace' word should be applied to all wrongdoers here if you are going to use it.
Don't forget that according to two different radio reports, O'Sullivan was lucky to be on the field at this stage. Jaysus-i'd be following him around...
You seem to have missed this crucial part! The footage does not show clearly who started what.
Throwing punches and kicking on the ground should have no place in GAA - simple. Also not respecting the rules about sideline activity needs looked at. We need to deal with that 'culture' . IMO it Would be unfair to throw the team out of the competition but punishments and bans should be handed out accordingly.
Quote from: Onion Bag on January 24, 2012, 11:16:02 AM
There seems to a bit of a pattern rising here
Stewartstown v Ballymacnab 2006
Tyrone v Dublin NFL in omagh 2006
Dromore v Clonoe 2008
Dromore v Carrickmore 2011
Carrickmore Ladies game 2011
Now we have Derrytresk involved in a row 2012
i know it takes 2 to tango but the tyrone county board would need to take a serious look at this
wondered when that would be dragged up ::)
it certainly took 2 to tango that day as that was 10 times the row of derrytresk/dromid. that row actually took place off the field and after the game had finished.
despite fines and suspensions both teams were ultimately kept in the competition.
it was a cracking game of football though....
Michael Anthony O'Connell wants "disgraceful" Derrytresk dumped out of the club championship.
The Tyrone and Ulster champions beat O'Connell's Dromid Pearse in Sunday's All-Ireland junior club championship semi-final at O'Moore Park but the disgusted Kerryman wants the result reversed after he claims the victors embarked on a campaign of dirty tricks:
"We were beaten by unfair tactics," he says in the Independent. "At the start of the game, three of my players were caught by the testicles.
"When our fellas went to shake hands with them, the Derrytresk players went for their testicles and pulled them at the start of the game. That conduct has no place on a football field. What they wanted was for our players to retaliate, but we are better than that.
"Somebody has to put their foot down. What happened on Sunday has no place in the GAA; it was disgraceful.
"I don't think I will ever go to a football game again if they are not thrown out. The GAA has to make a stand now.
"There were kids crying in the stand, frightened by what was going on. How do you expect kids to go to football games when this happens?
"They absolutely destroyed us. They shattered the team, our lads never before witnessed anything like that. We have no problem being beaten fair and square out on the field but we weren't beaten fairly."
God they must have got very polite down in Kerry in recent years if they were so badly offended by this non-row!
There are a lot of red herrings being thrown into this debate, many of which are serving only to muddy the waters in terms of what actually happened.
(1) Kerry vs Tyrone - utterly irrelevant. The history of the two counties, or either county individually, is nothing to do with this incident. What matters is what happened.
(2) The card count - makes no odds. Lads commit offences on the field of play, refs deal with them. If the issue here was stuff that happened in the course of the game, this wouldn't be a ten page thread.
(3) Testicle grabbing. This act is the lowest of the low and should be punishable with an instant six month ban if proven, but the referee hasn't seen anything and unless there is some of it on video, this doesn't help matters either. It may have happened, it may not, but we can only talk about what did happen and Pearses do themselves no favours by bringing up uncorroborated stuff like that. Ditto the "diving".
(4) The "air of menace". This can't be dealt with either. Again, I wasn't in the stand so I can't comment, but you can't be ruling on big occasions based on the "spidey-sense" of a few people in the crowd. I've been at games where the crowd has gotten tense, but you can only respond to what people do, not the vibe they give off.
Michael Anthony needs to stop talking to newspapers. He's made his point, the footage of the row is out there, and the footage of the rest of the match is with Croke Park. It just needs to be let rest now and Croker will deal with it as they see fit. I know he feels wronged, but this sort of statement does no good.
Edit. LS I agree with all of that. Emotive statements without proof are not helpful. That's why I did not post what I had heard until I had seen the video. And there are other things I've heard that I won't post either, unless I see them in the video.
Quote from: Lone Shark on January 24, 2012, 01:34:39 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on January 24, 2012, 01:20:31 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 24, 2012, 12:46:15 AM
I think the time has come to ban Tyrone county and clubs from all competitions. Disgraceful scenes of violence are now the norm on the mean streets of Coalisland, Cookstown and Carrickmore. If they want to behave like animals open the county up as a Safari Park and invite big game hunters in for sport.
It didn't take long for the intellects to get involved in this debate. Brilliant stuff there....
GAA has the problem, big or small, and not just Tyrone. It's not a regular occuramce at Derrytresk games, nor is it an irregular occuramce across the country. When we watch how the GAA deal with the issue of paying managers, it's hardly a shock that they do not have a stronger line on on/off field violence.
To blame Derrytresk, Tyrone, or Northern football, is simply ignorant of the facts and blind to the truth.
Sorry, but wha....?
Is this some sort of "society made me do it" kind of thing? Everybody is responsible for their own actions, and I certainly don't buy into the idea that this is all-pervasive in GAA culture.
try and read my post again there - see what you make of it the second time...I can wait for you if you like...
There was a comment at the start of this thread about Dromids wife being quoted as having to hide her kids under the seat and it being a load of PR rubbish by bitter Kerry lads.
To me it's nearly the most important thing out of it.
My sister has three little kids in dublin, they play soccer, rugby and she coaches them for Gaa. Now what mother in their right mind is going to bring their kids to a match when they hear that? Much better off at the rugby.
You might say she is exaggerating but lets face it those subs ran from where they were sitting to get involved and didn't give two shites who they knocked down, women or kids. Why would parents bother?
The gaa has gone to great lengths to promote the gaa as a family occasion and it can all be undone by something like this.
As for the row, the argument that Dromid got two lads sent off means nothing, what happens on the pitch is dealt with it there and if lads want to box the heads off each other go ahead and let the ref deal with it but lads coming in from the sideline is just not on, indefensible.
Tyrone lads it's time to stop circling the wagons on this but equally it should be dealt with on it's own merits and not biased by all the other things that have gone on in Tyrone football, that's hardly Derrytresks fault.
Like I say deal with it on merit but deal with it strongly and use it as a deterrent to other people
Quote from: Whishtup on January 23, 2012, 09:11:53 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 23, 2012, 08:57:21 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on January 23, 2012, 08:22:13 PM
What constitutes having a go? Talking, running towards? Fronting up? He definitely wasn't swinging his arms. Do you agree?
Fronting up in tyrone club football terms means pistols at dawn. Squaring up probably means punching the chops off each other.
Tyrone club football would want to take a long good hard look at itself and what it tolerates.
Too many incidents at this stage.
That's totally irrelevant. My point is that this incident was started and enflamed by Dromid players before it became a free-for-all. I'd like to see the reaction to Pat Gilroy getting belted by two Kildare players. Wouldn't be nice either-they'd be eating through the wire to get at them.
The real rot of the GAA is poor officialdom from the refereeing, linesmen and stewards. That's where we differ from rugby. Don't give me that clap-trap about Northern/Tyrone football, either-boring and obnoxious.
What Bollocks, how could any ref or official have dealt with this? With the exception of the subs and spectators it was all relatively tame. However when you look at the Ulster Council's reaction to the Ray Mathews incident and the Tyrone County Boards handling of the Carrickmore Dromore game then you can see why clubs think they'll get away with it. And before we have any crap about this being a nordie or Tyrone trait remember Louth and their fans with Martin Sludden. What it really comes down toi is the number of tramps who associate themselves with some clubs, take the fans out of that and a few yellow cards would have dine the trick. Neither team are faultless but it would seem that Derrytresk lost the high ground through the actions of those jumping the hoardings. Both teams should be fined and suspended.
Again, I'm not sure there were fans involved there, to be fair. I stand to be corrected if someone can point them out to me.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 24, 2012, 12:32:44 PM
Again, I'm not sure there were fans involved there, to be fair. I stand to be corrected if someone can point them out to me.
That fella in the green hoodie is a fan in my eyes. He is sitting in the front row at the start of the video and then gets told by the Derrytresk bibs to head back into the stand at the end of it. He's wearing a different style club jacket to the rest of the mentors and is wearing runners, not boots as someone stated. Could be wrong but all the signs point to him being a fan.
I think you're right. I hadn't spotted him. In fact another guy with a blue scarf makes a go to come on as well but the only steward there kind of holds him back with his arm. That's not good.
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on January 24, 2012, 12:22:05 PM
Quote from: Lone Shark on January 24, 2012, 01:34:39 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on January 24, 2012, 01:20:31 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 24, 2012, 12:46:15 AM
I think the time has come to ban Tyrone county and clubs from all competitions. Disgraceful scenes of violence are now the norm on the mean streets of Coalisland, Cookstown and Carrickmore. If they want to behave like animals open the county up as a Safari Park and invite big game hunters in for sport.
It didn't take long for the intellects to get involved in this debate. Brilliant stuff there....
GAA has the problem, big or small, and not just Tyrone. It's not a regular occuramce at Derrytresk games, nor is it an irregular occuramce across the country. When we watch how the GAA deal with the issue of paying managers, it's hardly a shock that they do not have a stronger line on on/off field violence.
To blame Derrytresk, Tyrone, or Northern football, is simply ignorant of the facts and blind to the truth.
Sorry, but wha....?
Is this some sort of "society made me do it" kind of thing? Everybody is responsible for their own actions, and I certainly don't buy into the idea that this is all-pervasive in GAA culture.
try and read my post again there - see what you make of it the second time...I can wait for you if you like...
I'm really trying to get your point here. I'm consistent throughout this thread as saying that this is nothing to do with where Derrytresk are from, and I don't buy into the thing that we're talking about a Tyrone or a northern issue here. Maybe it's more common up north, I didn't think so before but I do after reading this thread where a sequence of Ulster posters have suggested that these kind of incidents occur regularly. However I'm saying that the only way to deal with it is to mete out severe, deterrent punishment to those that transgress. Since in this instance Dromid lost a vital player who was having a great game and another player had to play on with injuries that later saw him hospitalised, I'm inclined to think that the actions of the Derrytresk subs had a real bearing on the result of this game. As such, it seems appropriate that they be thrown out. That is how we deal with it as an association - punish each and every transgression within the full scope of the rules. Of course the two Dromid lads involved should be suspended as well.
Certainly suspending a load of subs, mentors and possibly issuing a token fine isn't going to be a sufficient deterrent to stop them or any other club doing it again.
The punishment needs to be so severe that at the first sight of any sub going to invade the pitch during the course of the game, his fellow subs haul him back and beat the daylights out of him instead, as reward for his stupidity.
If I've missed the point again, you have my apologies. I'm genuinely not trying to be obtuse here.
I have just heard Moaning Anthony O'Connell's tearful tirade to the press. If Derrytresk are kicked out and are replaced by the ladyboys from South Kerry then all necessary precautions should be put in place to accommodate them in the final. It has to be played on a dry, windless day. The ball must not be too hard and players are only allowed to shadow each other in the tackle. Shouting loudly for the ball be also be outlawed. Maybe Moanin might go back to a game if all these conditions are met
Dont think there's much in the brawl per say.l.
however the fact that the subs en masse jumped over the barrier and got involved is a very serious issue and was a disgrace. if supporters were also involved the situation again is unaccaptable.
i think because of the subs actions, the club should be kicked out of the competiiton and not replaced.
Whoever jumped the wall should be banned. If the club won't name them then ban the club. The boy in the bib should get at least 6 months too.
Quote from: hardstation on January 24, 2012, 12:52:40 PM
They can hardly replace Derrytresk with Dromid. Dromid are not victims in this.
There is no way Dromid, for all their whining, can get back in. They were equally guilty for what happened on the field.
However Derrytresk will see some form of sanction for the actions of their subs.
Any sympathy that I had for Dromid after the weekend is now gone. They put their PRO forward as a spokesman for Talkback with Wendy Austin. Such a bit of whining I have never heard. They would have been far better served to keep their heads down.
A Derrytresk sub lands some dig with his elbow to number 4 after jumping over the wall.... :o
I've already posted on this topic earlier to say that this sort of violence has no place in our games - but the holier than thou bullshit that comes from Kerry folk when it comes to football makes me sick.
They couldnt be reinstated now anyway as it is not the result of the match that is in dispute, they were beat they are out. Suck it up and get on with it.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 24, 2012, 08:40:46 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 24, 2012, 08:37:00 AM
This is unbelievable. Anyone would think dromids bus was ambushed and they were all taken out and given a punishment beating. Beyond a joke - there was a row, both sides were involved, the derrytresk subs got involved which they shouldnt have, thats the only difference (one would wonder why the dromid subs didnt also get up to try to protect their players, but anyway, and by protect I do just mean split up the fighting). It seems to me the rest of it has turned into an us v those nordie bullies, which in national papers is an absolute disgrace
What does that mean? Are you suggesting the subs are cowardly for not rushing the pitch like the Derrytresk lads?
By the way I agree with your last statement. It has unpleasant undertones in the media about uncivilised Nordies. But I do not believe that is the Dromid agenda. They are disgusted with what happened on Sunday, not just in the row. To me, this is about 2 clubs, not about Tyrone, Kerry nor Ulster.
See the bit in large - I dont mean addng to the brawl, but would you sit there or would you get involved? And 'involved' doesnt mean going in fists swinging, it means going in to protect your players, drag them away if necessary etc. I doubt they didnt
want to join in, I'd genuinely like to know why they didnt - I presume they were restrained, or were they quite a bit further away?
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 24, 2012, 08:55:34 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 24, 2012, 08:37:00 AM
This is unbelievable. Anyone would think dromids bus was ambushed and they were all taken out and given a punishment beating. Beyond a joke - there was a row, both sides were involved, the derrytresk subs got involved which they shouldnt have, thats the only difference (one would wonder why the dromid subs didnt also get up to try to protect their players, but anyway, and by protect I do just mean split up the fighting).
It seems to me the rest of it has turned into an us v those nordie bullies, which in national papers is an absolute disgrace
Because they obviously have a bit of class.The lack of self-control displayed by the Derrytresk lads is indefensible. The GAA should be making an example out of them.
With all due respect, thats utter bollocks. Were they sitting there going 'settle down chaps??' If so, thats prob why they were on the bench, a few of their outfield players hadn't much of that kind of 'class' you refer to. You'd think there'd never been a schemozzle in Kerry... ::)
I doubt any sideline, same as any of these teams, was worse than the other. ONe speculative reason for Derrytresks swift involvement, and Dromids not so swift involvement is that Derrytresk were wronged in the initial incident.
unfortunately this seems to be a long associated problem which now regularly follows Tyrone football, the solution is quite simple, bit like the trouble from english teams abroad in the soccer, ban all Tyrone club teams from Ulster and all ireland competitions until they tidy up their mess. Once they can be seen to behave like civilised human beings at a game then let them back in again.
It only takes the once and then they might start to listen!
I thnk they should throw both derrytresk and dromid pearses out and allow Cu Chulainns of Newcastle into the final in Croker ;)
Quote from: haranguerer on January 24, 2012, 08:37:00 AM
It seems to me the rest of it has turned into an us v those nordie bullies, which in national papers is an absolute disgrace
+1
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 24, 2012, 01:05:06 PM
the holier than thou bullshit that comes from Kerry folk when it comes to football makes me sick.
+1
Quote from: redandblackareback on January 24, 2012, 01:23:42 PM
unfortunately this seems to be a long associated problem which now regularly follows Tyrone football, the solution is quite simple, bit like the trouble from english teams abroad in the soccer, ban all Tyrone club teams from Ulster and all ireland competitions until they tidy up their mess. Once they can be seen to behave like civilised human beings at a game then let them back in again.
It only takes the once and then they might start to listen!
The ultimate solution. brilliant
Typical Tyrone club football sticking its ugly head up again here. Time and time again we see the tyrone folk reverting to what it knows best in the world of football tactics, open warfare...incidents like what we have seen at the weekend are quite reminisent of a few years back when Ballymacnab played Stewartstown which ended in a draw..not content with this they had to start a fight and we all know what happened after that with alot of suspensions, fines and a long long investigation.
For Stewartstown they prob though they fared quite well with only their subs recieving lengthly bans while Ballymacnab lost a few first team players. They then went into the replay thinking they had nothing to do but show up, but when the nab got on top, Stewartown reverted again to what they knew best, kick and punch. They had 3 men sent off going into last 10mins, the nab none...then they brought on' Mr Role Model' himself Ferghal Logan to help them somehow pull it out of the bag but he lasted 2mins as he decided to kick the corner back in the head when he was in the ground and recieved a straight red card. So 4 men sent off and got their sorry asses kicked off the park, a proper lesson handed out that day. Everyone in Ulster and beyond prob breathed a sigh of relief that these lunatics where out of the competetion.
But since that day and every year since there has always been incidents involving tyrone teams and yet nothing has been really done about it..some serious action needed by Ulsster council and headquarters.
But in saying that im sure not all Tyrone football teams are bad...im sure if you look really reall..really hard you will find 1 or 2 decent ones? ;-)
Quote from: haranguerer on January 24, 2012, 01:23:01 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 24, 2012, 08:55:34 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 24, 2012, 08:37:00 AM
This is unbelievable. Anyone would think dromids bus was ambushed and they were all taken out and given a punishment beating. Beyond a joke - there was a row, both sides were involved, the derrytresk subs got involved which they shouldnt have, thats the only difference (one would wonder why the dromid subs didnt also get up to try to protect their players, but anyway, and by protect I do just mean split up the fighting).
It seems to me the rest of it has turned into an us v those nordie bullies, which in national papers is an absolute disgrace
Because they obviously have a bit of class.The lack of self-control displayed by the Derrytresk lads is indefensible. The GAA should be making an example out of them.
With all due respect, thats utter bollocks. Were they sitting there going 'settle down chaps??' If so, thats prob why they were on the bench, a few of their outfield players hadn't much of that kind of 'class' you refer to. You'd think there'd never been a schemozzle in Kerry... ::)
I doubt any sideline, same as any of these teams, was worse than the other. ONe speculative reason for Derrytresks swift involvement, and Dromids not so swift involvement is that Derrytresk were wronged in the initial incident.
Do you really believe this? That the subs who didn't get involved in the brawl are as bad as the subs who did?
If that's the sort of attitude then there's no hope. There's lads on here making exuses and defending the indefensible.
The only cowards here have blue tops on them that take 3/4/5 men to hit one and even then it's from behind.
Cowards is really the only word for them
Just watched the video - quite disappointed by the amount of boxing action involved considering the furore! Seems no 4 from Dromid was out of line; Subs shouldn't have jumped wire apart from that theres not much else to be said.
:-\
Quote from: Maroon1 on January 24, 2012, 02:06:52 PM
Typical Tyrone club football sticking its ugly head up again here. Time and time again we see the tyrone folk reverting to what it knows best in the world of football tactics, open warfare...incidents like what we have seen at the weekend are quite reminisent of a few years back when Ballymacnab played Stewartstown which ended in a draw..not content with this they had to start a fight and we all know what happened after that with alot of suspensions, fines and a long long investigation.
For Stewartstown they prob though they fared quite well with only their subs recieving lengthly bans while Ballymacnab lost a few first team players. They then went into the replay thinking they had nothing to do but show up, but when the nab got on top, Stewartown reverted again to what they knew best, kick and punch. They had 3 men sent off going into last 10mins, the nab none...then they brought on' Mr Role Model' himself Ferghal Logan to help them somehow pull it out of the bag but he lasted 2mins as he decided to kick the corner back in the head when he was in the ground and recieved a straight red card. So 4 men sent off and got their sorry asses kicked off the park, a proper lesson handed out that day. Everyone in Ulster and beyond prob breathed a sigh of relief that these lunatics where out of the competetion.
But since that day and every year since there has always been incidents involving tyrone teams and yet nothing has been really done about it..some serious action needed by Ulsster council and headquarters.
But in saying that im sure not all Tyrone football teams are bad...im sure if you look really reall..really hard you will find 1 or 2 decent ones? ;-)
we didnt start the row that day - it's been well documented that the no.6 from ballymacnab did (plus i saw it with my own eyes) as the draw felt like a loss to them. they were 5 points up with about 5 minutes left and we came back to draw with a string of late points.
those 3 sendings off were all double yellows for innoccuous enough offences. ballymacnab had about the same card count that day but were clever enough to rotate the men getting them.
alslo, if fergal kicked the corner back in the head then why was the red card later rescinded by the ulster council?
that's all i'm going to say about that game, it was 6 years ago, let it go ffs.
Th final should be good crack, since the other finalist knows what's on the way.
Isnt there a rule about "contributing to a melee"? In otherwords if you run in, as many of the Derrytresk and Dromid players did, it's a sending off? Maybe it's not a sending off, but a yellow, but I'm fairly sure that's the rule. In that regard, all those subs should be sanctioned under that rule, and all players/managment from both sides should also be sanctioned using the same rule. Then the players who punched/kicked or attempted too all get suspensions for that offence. There'd be a good few from both sides in bother under those rules....
I'd say that's what will happen, quite a few retrospective sanctions imposed on players from both sides.
Fact is now as well with all the media painting the picture of Derrytresk being the only side at fault here, the GAA couldn't only punish them without appearing to be guided by media instead of the facts.
I dont see Derrytresk getting booted out, but all players/subs involved need to be treated harshly.
Quote from: Maroon1 on January 24, 2012, 02:06:52 PM
Typical Tyrone club football sticking its ugly head up again here. Time and time again we see the tyrone folk reverting to what it knows best in the world of football tactics, open warfare...incidents like what we have seen at the weekend are quite reminisent of a few years back when Ballymacnab played Stewartstown which ended in a draw..not content with this they had to start a fight and we all know what happened after that with alot of suspensions, fines and a long long investigation.
For Stewartstown they prob though they fared quite well with only their subs recieving lengthly bans while Ballymacnab lost a few first team players. They then went into the replay thinking they had nothing to do but show up, but when the nab got on top, Stewartown reverted again to what they knew best, kick and punch. They had 3 men sent off going into last 10mins, the nab none...then they brought on' Mr Role Model' himself Ferghal Logan to help them somehow pull it out of the bag but he lasted 2mins as he decided to kick the corner back in the head when he was in the ground and recieved a straight red card. So 4 men sent off and got their sorry asses kicked off the park, a proper lesson handed out that day. Everyone in Ulster and beyond prob breathed a sigh of relief that these lunatics where out of the competetion.
But since that day and every year since there has always been incidents involving tyrone teams and yet nothing has been really done about it..some serious action needed by Ulsster council and headquarters.
But in saying that im sure not all Tyrone football teams are bad...im sure if you look really reall..really hard you will find 1 or 2 decent ones? ;-)
'The final should be good crack, since the other finalist knows what's on the way'.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: mannix on January 24, 2012, 02:26:58 PM
Th final should be good crack, since the other finalist knows what's on the way.
Poor lads from Clonbur will be stuffing these down their shorts on the day.
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FFS lads, we are well into the thread and I dont see any mention of the IRA yet, or how Sinn Fein can be blamed for all this??
I did mention Dromid snipers.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 24, 2012, 02:46:16 PM
I did mention Dromid snipers.
:D Dont forget about the dromid touts :D
The stewartstown subs started the fight by hitting one of the ballymacnab players as they walked of the field...and as for ferghal Logan having his red card rescinded, he gets everyones red cards thrown out as is well known so he may aswell get his own done, I'm not sure what he loop hole in the rule book is for kicking someone in the head but good old ferghal found one to get himself off the hook;-)
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on January 24, 2012, 02:14:41 PM
Just watched the video - quite disappointed by the amount of boxing action involved considering the furore! Seems no 4 from Dromid was out of line; Subs shouldn't have jumped wire apart from that theres not much else to be said.
:-\
The no. 15 kicking a fella on the ground 27 seconds into the video clip is probably the worse incident of the lot.
Quote from: Maroon1 on January 24, 2012, 02:53:40 PM
The stewartstown subs started the fight by hitting one of the ballymacnab players as they walked of the field...and as for ferghal Logan having his red card rescinded, he gets everyones red cards thrown out as is well known so he may aswell get his own done, I'm not sure what he loop hole in the rule book is for kicking someone in the head but good old ferghal found one to get himself off the hook;-)
i'm sure he cant be considered all bad down there in ballymacnab considering he got them off/pitch reopened for assaulting a referee about a year before that.
nobody in stewartstown or derrytresk for that matter has ever hit a referee so you cant really come on here and mouth off about tyrone football when armagh has it's issues too.
Apart from the major incident before half time, one very strange thing about this game is that the manager of the losing team who had 2 players sent off, as well as picking up twice as many yellow cards as the winning team, wants the winners thrown out of the compettition because of their bad behaviour. Neither club emerges from this game with any credit. The Dromid manager is not in a great position to talk about bad behaviour or indiscipline.
Quote from: clarshack on January 24, 2012, 03:17:46 PM
Quote from: Maroon1 on January 24, 2012, 02:53:40 PM
The stewartstown subs started the fight by hitting one of the ballymacnab players as they walked of the field...and as for ferghal Logan having his red card rescinded, he gets everyones red cards thrown out as is well known so he may aswell get his own done, I'm not sure what he loop hole in the rule book is for kicking someone in the head but good old ferghal found one to get himself off the hook;-)
i'm sure he cant be considered all bad down there in ballymacnab considering he got them off/pitch reopened for assaulting a referee about a year before that.
nobody in stewartstown or derrytresk for that matter has ever hit a referee so you cant really come on here and mouth off about tyrone football when armagh has it's issues too.
Don't let him wind you up too much Clarshack... just read through his previous posts about the Armagh final and you'll see what I mean. He's been in hiding since the middle of October so it's taken him 3 months to get over it!!
Had my look at the clip there. Whatever about the game and the boxing which certainly dosent look as one sided as I a kerry journalist on today fm would have had me believe. I believe we are looking at a short and nasty incident which has happened many times before it from which people are prepared to tarnish a small rural club who have been exemplary servants to the gaa over the years. I think these incidents which will be in the referrees report aside. Those who have allowed the spin and pr brigade of the kerry gaa brigade to influece their objectivity should be ashamed of themselves. In my view if dromid had been fit to win the game which they weren't we would never heard another word. It has sadly become a feature of kerry football punditry and commentry from layman to professional to tarnish any reputation that they can when beaten. Why don't dromid name these people who they claim testicle tapped them. Because they want everyone tarnished by their comments. If I was a player I'd be demanding they prove it or shut their mouths
Quote from: rrhf on January 24, 2012, 04:04:10 PM
I believe we are looking at a short and nasty incident which has happened many times before it from which people are prepared to tarnish a small rural club who have been exemplary servants to the gaa over the years. I think these incidents which will be in the referrees report aside. Those who have allowed the spin and pr brigade of the kerry gaa brigade to influece their objectivity should be ashamed of themselves.
Pot and kettle there methinks.
As a neutral who has only the video clip to go on, the key point for me is there is clear evidence of an assualt by a Derrytresk spectator on the Dromid midfielder. This resulted in the Dromid player missing the 2nd half of the game as he was concussed. Therefore, IMO Derrytresk have to be thrown out (I presuming the rules allow for this).
As the game was clearly impacted by the assault by the spectator, then Dromid should be re-instated - (unless there is further evidence indicating they should be thrown out also). Dromid will undoubtedly also have players who should be suspended.
I really hope there is a final. I'm sure the people of Clonbur are really looking forward to their day out at their All Ireland final.
Quote from: Onlooker on January 24, 2012, 03:18:30 PM
who had 2 players sent off, as well as picking up twice as many yellow cards as the winning team,
If the Derrytresk subs, supporters and mentors are doing most of the the belting for Derrytresk while it's the players on their own doing the belting for Dromid then obviously Dromid players are going to have more yellow and red cards than the Derrytresk players. ;D
I can't help and feel that the GAA should have been onto both clubs on Sunday evening and told both not to make any public comments whatsoever and to instruct all officers and players to do likewise.
Then they should have realeased a statement saying they will have a full investigation, etc etc
All we have to date is public hearsay, petty comments from all sides to fit their agenda and the president saying he is disappointed. They really should be very proactive in these cases.
Maybe a replay next sunday would keep everyone happy, woiuld draw a good crowd I'd imagine ;) :D
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Getting prepared already for the trip to Croker in Derrytresk!
Quote from: rrhf on January 24, 2012, 04:04:10 PM
I believe we are looking at a short and nasty incident which has happened many times before it from which people are prepared to tarnish a small rural club who have been exemplary servants to the gaa over the years. I think these incidents which will be in the referrees report aside. Those who have allowed the spin and pr brigade of the kerry gaa brigade to influece their objectivity should be ashamed of themselves.
I thought I was reading the Sean Quinn thread there for a minute.
Lads there are rules for a reason. If the Derrytresk and Dromid clubs are going to behave like that then they cannot cry foul when the CCC comes down on them.
Alot of posters here playing a mass brawl down, "sure it happens every week with the U-12's". Fighting and infringing on the pitch by supporters/fans/officals is against the association rules. Unless you want to see it happen every time you go to a match then the GAA are going to administer the rules.
If this was a inter county championship match and a legitimate score was waved wide there would be yards of threads on here calling for a replay and rules and all that shite. It seems though that a mass brawl and injured players are less important than that. ::)
Hi ogshead, been a long time my friend:-) who rattled your cage anyway....I was merely making a comparison between the events of the weekend to those of nab v stewartsown and how all the brawls in gaa these days involve a team from Tyrone....but derrytresk need not worry about being thrown out of the championship all they have to do is hire 'loophole logan' and they will get off with any punishment that may be handed out!!:-)
Dromid Pearses should look long and hard at the following footage and and ask themselves, "Do I see anything in this that I can learn from"
http://youtu.be/UNZMtfY0iX4
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The Healy-Raes are demanding that Derrytresk are thrown out of the competition in return for their support of the Govt.
They aren't happy. Michael was on Radio Kerry earlier. He said "I'm not happy".
Quote from: Lone Shark on January 24, 2012, 11:44:08 AM
There are a lot of red herrings being thrown into this debate, many of which are serving only to muddy the waters in terms of what actually happened.
(1) Kerry vs Tyrone - utterly irrelevant. The history of the two counties, or either county individually, is nothing to do with this incident. What matters is what happened.
(2) The card count - makes no odds. Lads commit offences on the field of play, refs deal with them. If the issue here was stuff that happened in the course of the game, this wouldn't be a ten page thread.
Totally disagree with both points and not sure how you can empathise with either county on point 1.
I will not speak for the Kerry brigade and their impression of, and antagonism towards, Tyrone. I can only speak for my own county, or rather the attitude towards the Kingdom for a minority I know. I know from interacting with some of those a lot closer to the coalface than I am that there seems to have developed an unhealthy vibe towards Kerry. It stems back to the 2003 game and even the comments I've heard from the Kerry commentators purports to have referenced 2003, Canavan hauling down Gooch and McConnell supposedly poking the eye off Cooper - all in the second half commentary of the Derrytresk/Dromid game which also suggests they harbour a few grievances towards Tyrone.
When it spilled over in Omagh a few years ago the venom on the faces of both sides/supporters (esp in the stand) was frightening. When have you ever seen Jack O'Connor react like that? What I'm saying is - and in no way am I saying it was premeditated by Derrytresk on the day or used as a motivational tactic - there's a relatively new disdain between a fraction of both sets of supporters and it added to the mix. I know - i've seen it and heard it on a regular basis.
As for point two - it was all part of the unfortunate ingredients that day. They may play 100 times and that was the only time the menace was perfectly formed for the regrettable reactions afterwards.
Quote from: Bingo on January 24, 2012, 04:52:57 PM
I can't help and feel that the GAA should have been onto both clubs on Sunday evening and told both not to make any public comments whatsoever and to instruct all officers and players to do likewise.
If the people behind either team had any common sense, they would have remained silent, and they shouldn't have needed anyone in the GAA to tell them that. Instead they have created a media circus that reflects very badly on the GAA, but also on the two clubs and their respective officials and supporters.
Quote from: Whishtup on January 24, 2012, 05:11:43 PM
Dromid Pearses should look long and hard at the following footage and and ask themselves, "Do I see anything in this that I can learn from"
http://youtu.be/UNZMtfY0iX4
Keep Lavey out of this. For once they had nothing to do with this row. :D :D :D :D :D
fair play young O'Neill - well argued second point
All joking apart, Cornafean is absolutely right. Dromid by highlighting this incident have disgraced themselves.
We're only a few generations on from this. Tyrone is just a little slower in letting go, that's all.
FACTION FIGHTING
"They fought for the sheer love of fighting"
"Off go the hats and the coats, the fight begins, Some strike the heads, while others strike the shins. The winching codgels around their fore heads play They need no leaders to begin the fray Where e'ere the brave O'Donoghues engage".
Organised fights between opposing factions was a general feature of early 19th century Ireland. These fights usually took place at fairs or other meeting places when drink was in abundance and the main topics of conversation were the price of cattle, the weather and the fight that was about to commence. This tradition of fighting is reputed to have began in Tipperary in 1805 and quickly spread all over the country. One of the most famous of all factions was in the Doon area. The establishment of the day tended to ignore faction fighting - even to encourage it, believing it to be a good thing to see the Irish fighting among themselves and not against the system of government.
The factions had colourful names - "The Cravats and the Shanavests".The three year olds and the four year olds, The Black Hens and the Magpies. The local Doon faction was made up of the Ryan Clan (who else) and were known as the Reaskawallahs, after a townsland in the parish. They were involved in many a skirmish against the Coffeys of Newport.
The weapons used were long sticks of oak, ash, holly or blackthorn. These sticks were carefully prepared and after a fight were greased and polished ready for the next encounter. It was believed that a wound from a blackthorn stick would heal quickly - the whitethorn was a much more dangerous weapon as a blow from this could result in blood poisoning. A particularly vicious weapon was the "loaden butt" in which the stump at the end was hollowed out and filled with lead. The ash "sucker" (an offshoot) was regarded as much tougher and more durable than the ash plant.
In close combat a short stick was used "the alpeen" or "kippen". These were tempered in dung heaps, rubbed with butter and placed up the chimney, where they were left to season. The intentions of the fighters can be guaged by the names given to their sticks, common ones being "bas gan sagart" (death without the priest) or "leagadh gan Eiri" (down with no hope of rising).
As the fair day came to close members of two opposing factions began to gather. The cause of quarrel between the two was unimportant, maybe an insult passed fifty years before, or as was the case in one region, a row between two small boys over a game of marbles. As the factions squared up to each other the opposing captains advanced. Then followed a ritual of insulting, mocking, teasing - one captain would "wheel" his stick over his head as he challenged his oponent -"Here is a Coffey abu against a Reaskawallagh, here is a Coffey abu - who dare strike a Coffey?"
The answer "I dare" followed fast from a Ryan and was accompanied by a murderous blow to Coffey's head. This was a signal for a free for all, as fighters from both sides rushed into the fray and numerous heads were opened and some people killed before the fighting ceased. Many colourful battle cries of the factions could still be heard at fairs up to recent times.
"Doon, Toom, Carnahalla - Cappawhite and Gurtavalla" or "Here's a Doon garsoon - who'll bate him?"
Some famous local leaders were Ryan Bawn and Allis, Maurice Fitzgerald, Pat Leddan and The Russian Buckley, so called because he was "as big as a Russian". He had the dubious distinction of being the last man killed in a faction fight. This final fight took place in Cappawhite in 1887.
W.R. Le Fanu, rector in Abington in his book "70 Years of Irish Life" describes one fight at Annagh Bog near Murroe when the Reaskawallahs led by John Ryan (Luke) (Shawn Lucas) marched from Doon to engage the Coffeys. "In an instant hundreds of sticks were up - hundreds of heads were broken. In vain the parish priest and his curate rode through the crowd, striking right and left with their whips, in vain a few policemen tried to quell the riot...." In this particular battle the Coffeys were the victors. A few were killed and many seriously wounded.
Daniel O'Connell's campaign to win Catholic Emancipation, in which he held monster meetings throughout the country, helped to bring the faction fighters to their senses. His message to the people he addressed was to unite as one in the face of a common enemy. It was in this spirit of peace that the Reaskawallahs marched to meet the Coffeys at Newport to patch up their differences in 1829. Le Fanu describes the procession thus: "They marched six deep in military order with music and banners, each man carrying as an emblem of peace, a green bough, the procession nearly two miles long. On its arrival in Newport in the presence of much joy and whiskey and in the presence of the priests a perpetual peace was established and never from that day did those factions meet again in battle".
However, even though the faction fights declined considerably from 1830, the following years often saw old scores flaring up and faction fighting continued right up to that last recorded fight at Cappawhite in 1887. It may be that the G.A.A. from here on provided a platform to vent parish rivalry and filled a void created by the demise of the faction fights.
Hardy we're only a few years on from this...fractious behaviour (I love it) and handbags in the news again ;)
Meath tie abandoned over 'handbags'
By Paddy Hickey
Friday June 15 2007
THE GAA'S Hall of Shame on the disciplinary front has racked up yet another notch with the abandonment of a club match in Meath.
The latest outbreak of violence erupted in a senior football 'B' clash between St Patrick's Stamullen and Dunsany on Tuesday at Stamullen, which was called off with 20 minutes to go.
After a prolonged period of fractious behaviour involving a number of players from both sides, referee Ronan Carry decided to end the contest and abandoned the match. Despite the match official obviously feeling he had no option but to take decisive action, a representative from each club - Dunsany secretary Mary Smyth and St Patrick's counterpart Pat Ryan - argued that what transpired between the players was merely of the "handbags" variety.
Quote from: AQMP on January 24, 2012, 05:35:37 PM
Hardy we're only a few years on from this...fractious behaviour (I love it) and handbags in the news again ;)
Meath tie abandoned over 'handbags'
By Paddy Hickey
Friday June 15 2007
THE GAA'S Hall of Shame on the disciplinary front has racked up yet another notch with the abandonment of a club match in Meath.
The latest outbreak of violence erupted in a senior football 'B' clash between St Patrick's Stamullen and Dunsany on Tuesday at Stamullen, which was called off with 20 minutes to go.
After a prolonged period of fractious behaviour involving a number of players from both sides, referee Ronan Carry decided to end the contest and abandoned the match. Despite the match official obviously feeling he had no option but to take decisive action, a representative from each club - Dunsany secretary Mary Smyth and St Patrick's counterpart Pat Ryan - argued that what transpired between the players was merely of the "handbags" variety.
Possibly what should have happened on Sunday.
just watched this... how about that Physio/First aid guy? I don't think any occupational first aid course covers that behaviour!! Can't believe that he stood up and started throwing his weight around instead of attending to the guy on the ground. He is no florence nightingale.
Also the guy with the clipboard shouldn't have been on the sideline in the first place... No bib then he should have being in the dugout or more likely the stand. The GAA officials on the day are at fault here for not controlling the line.
Quote from: Whishtup on January 24, 2012, 05:11:43 PM
Dromid Pearses should look long and hard at the following footage and and ask themselves, "Do I see anything in this that I can learn from"
http://youtu.be/UNZMtfY0iX4
Typical tyrone reaction. You don't seem to realise how badly this reflects on the GAA. Of course if this happened within tyrone your county board would probably give both teams a 100 euro fine or some tame punishment like that. Because this was an all ireland game I cant see youse getting off so lightly. My honest opinion is that derrytresk should be thrown out. That would send out a message to clubs that this sort of behaviour is just not on.
Heard Uachtarainn CLG on the news saying the GAA does deal with these things and so it will be in due course with this one once the CCCCCCCCC..... get the report. He singled out Antrim Board for taking a strong stance recently, which indeed they did. But he must have forgotten the Ulster Councils decision to seriously undermine the Antrim penalty's. As I said before too many cute hoors on committees, all the way to the top so unfortunately we'll not see zero tolerance any time soon. I wonder would the President elect take this on as a 'cause'.
Quote from: lenny on January 24, 2012, 07:19:02 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on January 24, 2012, 05:11:43 PM
Dromid Pearses should look long and hard at the following footage and and ask themselves, "Do I see anything in this that I can learn from"
http://youtu.be/UNZMtfY0iX4
Typical tyrone reaction. You don't seem to realise how badly this reflects on the GAA. Of course if this happened within tyrone your county board would probably give both teams a 100 euro fine or some tame punishment like that. Because this was an all ireland game I cant see youse getting off so lightly. My honest opinion is that derrytresk should be thrown out. That would send out a message to clubs that this sort of behaviour is just not on.
It's only as serious as Dromid Pearse's want it to be-they're prepared to sully the name of the GAA in order to repair their damaged pride by costructing a media campaign ( put together, packaged and posted in Kerry) that shows selective footage of one of many contentious incidents that happened on Sunday.
In effect, they are holding the GAA community to ransom by demanding action against and condemnation of all Derrytresk players and supporters-the cheek of them!
The GAA need to show great strength here and not get caught up in the intended witch-hunt, while handing out individual punishments for players and subs, on both sides, if they deem them to be punishable.
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2012, 05:15:53 PM
Quote from: Lone Shark on January 24, 2012, 11:44:08 AM
There are a lot of red herrings being thrown into this debate, many of which are serving only to muddy the waters in terms of what actually happened.
(1) Kerry vs Tyrone - utterly irrelevant. The history of the two counties, or either county individually, is nothing to do with this incident. What matters is what happened.
(2) The card count - makes no odds. Lads commit offences on the field of play, refs deal with them. If the issue here was stuff that happened in the course of the game, this wouldn't be a ten page thread.
Totally disagree with both points and not sure how you can empathise with either county on point 1.
I will not speak for the Kerry brigade and their impression of, and antagonism towards, Tyrone. I can only speak for my own county, or rather the attitude towards the Kingdom for a minority I know. I know from interacting with some of those a lot closer to the coalface than I am that there seems to have developed an unhealthy vibe towards Kerry. It stems back to the 2003 game and even the comments I've heard from the Kerry commentators purports to have referenced 2003, Canavan hauling down Gooch and McConnell supposedly poking the eye off Cooper - all in the second half commentary of the Derrytresk/Dromid game which also suggests they harbour a few grievances towards Tyrone.
When it spilled over in Omagh a few years ago the venom on the faces of both sides/supporters (esp in the stand) was frightening. When have you ever seen Jack O'Connor react like that? What I'm saying is - and in no way am I saying it was premeditated by Derrytresk on the day or used as a motivational tactic - there's a relatively new disdain between a fraction of both sets of supporters and it added to the mix. I know - i've seen it and heard it on a regular basis.
As for point two - it was all part of the unfortunate ingredients that day. They may play 100 times and that was the only time the menace was perfectly formed for the regrettable reactions afterwards.
Just to pick up on this, just because I'm not from Kerry or Tyrone doesn't mean that I don't understand that sometimes there is more at stake than simply the result on the day. What I'm saying is that when lads are playing for their club, their parish, and alongside their friends and family, I'm pretty sure the notion of avenging a county game that 97% of them didn't even tog out for is likely to be a long way down your list of priorities. For God's sake it's a chance to get to Croke Park with a village club that never dreamed of such things - it's a huge occasion and settling scores wouldn't enter into any rational man's head.
However all that said, it remains utterly irrelevant because it's no excuse. Even if I do perceive people from Kerry/Tyrone to be animals/thugs/pussycats, I'm not allowed to act on that perception and if I do, I should be punished just the same as my offence was committed against any other team anywhere in the GAA. I utterly, utterly abhor the idea that we need to set a context for these actions. What happened, happened, and those actions should be sanctioned as such. Asking people to factor in a Kerry/Tyrone rivalry as mitigation is as nonsensical as taking eejits from the radio as cast iron eye witnesses and punishing people because others felt there was an "air of menace".
Secondly, a string of cards for Dromid hardly gives cause for subs and supporters to reach boiling point. All this proves to me is that the referee was happy to punish any transgressions from Dromid players that he saw. In the course of the game Derrytresk got five scores from frees, Dromid one - now I didn't see the game, but that suggests to me that the referee was quite willing to penalise the Kerrymen and Derrytresk were getting more than their share of decisions. Those decisions were probably warranted, but it proves that there was no cause for any sense of injustice on behalf of the Derrytresk players. The card count might be a factor (though not an excuse) for the Dromid bench erupting, but not the Derrytresk panel.
Quote from: Lone Shark on January 24, 2012, 07:52:59 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2012, 05:15:53 PM
Quote from: Lone Shark on January 24, 2012, 11:44:08 AM
There are a lot of red herrings being thrown into this debate, many of which are serving only to muddy the waters in terms of what actually happened.
(1) Kerry vs Tyrone - utterly irrelevant. The history of the two counties, or either county individually, is nothing to do with this incident. What matters is what happened.
(2) The card count - makes no odds. Lads commit offences on the field of play, refs deal with them. If the issue here was stuff that happened in the course of the game, this wouldn't be a ten page thread.
Totally disagree with both points and not sure how you can empathise with either county on point 1.
I will not speak for the Kerry brigade and their impression of, and antagonism towards, Tyrone. I can only speak for my own county, or rather the attitude towards the Kingdom for a minority I know. I know from interacting with some of those a lot closer to the coalface than I am that there seems to have developed an unhealthy vibe towards Kerry. It stems back to the 2003 game and even the comments I've heard from the Kerry commentators purports to have referenced 2003, Canavan hauling down Gooch and McConnell supposedly poking the eye off Cooper - all in the second half commentary of the Derrytresk/Dromid game which also suggests they harbour a few grievances towards Tyrone.
When it spilled over in Omagh a few years ago the venom on the faces of both sides/supporters (esp in the stand) was frightening. When have you ever seen Jack O'Connor react like that? What I'm saying is - and in no way am I saying it was premeditated by Derrytresk on the day or used as a motivational tactic - there's a relatively new disdain between a fraction of both sets of supporters and it added to the mix. I know - i've seen it and heard it on a regular basis.
As for point two - it was all part of the unfortunate ingredients that day. They may play 100 times and that was the only time the menace was perfectly formed for the regrettable reactions afterwards.
Just to pick up on this, just because I'm not from Kerry or Tyrone doesn't mean that I don't understand that sometimes there is more at stake than simply the result on the day. What I'm saying is that when lads are playing for their club, their parish, and alongside their friends and family, I'm pretty sure the notion of avenging a county game that 97% of them didn't even tog out for is likely to be a long way down your list of priorities. For God's sake it's a chance to get to Croke Park with a village club that never dreamed of such things - it's a huge occasion and settling scores wouldn't enter into any rational man's head.
However all that said, it remains utterly irrelevant because it's no excuse. Even if I do perceive people from Kerry/Tyrone to be animals/thugs/pussycats, I'm not allowed to act on that perception and if I do, I should be punished just the same as my offence was committed against any other team anywhere in the GAA. I utterly, utterly abhor the idea that we need to set a context for these actions. What happened, happened, and those actions should be sanctioned as such. Asking people to factor in a Kerry/Tyrone rivalry as mitigation is as nonsensical as taking eejits from the radio as cast iron eye witnesses and punishing people because others felt there was an "air of menace".
Secondly, a string of cards for Dromid hardly gives cause for subs and supporters to reach boiling point. All this proves to me is that the referee was happy to punish any transgressions from Dromid players that he saw. In the course of the game Derrytresk got five scores from frees, Dromid one - now I didn't see the game, but that suggests to me that the referee was quite willing to penalise the Kerrymen and Derrytresk were getting more than their share of decisions. Those decisions were probably warranted, but it proves that there was no cause for any sense of injustice on behalf of the Derrytresk players. The card count might be a factor (though not an excuse) for the Dromid bench erupting, but not the Derrytresk panel.
Suppose it would depend on what kinds of things they were for? But as someone pointed out earlier the only half reasonable excuse you could think of for subs entering the field like that would be if their players in the vicinity were out-numbered and getting battered. That for sure wasn't happening. The card count does however add a little perspective to the 'whiter than white' bullshit that comes out of Kerry full time.
Quote from: blanketattack on January 24, 2012, 04:42:27 PM
Quote from: Onlooker on January 24, 2012, 03:18:30 PM
who had 2 players sent off, as well as picking up twice as many yellow cards as the winning team,
If the Derrytresk subs, supporters and mentors are doing most of the the belting for Derrytresk while it's the players on their own doing the belting for Dromid then obviously Dromid players are going to have more yellow and red cards than the Derrytresk players. ;D
Was thinking the same, but they only got the one each out of the melee. At least the ref was honest enough in basically saying he couldn't make head nor shite of what happened. Normally it's a red each for two of the biggest/easiest to pick out on each team.
LS, you seem to interpret things in a rather exaggerated manner. You seem to want to believe I'm making an excuse.
No one is excusing anything here. No one was settling scores for previous games. Setting a context isn't finding an excuse - it's more of a psychological observation and I know I'm correct about this. I listened to normally rational friends and relatives spouting frighteningly irrational beliefs about Kerry v Ulster and even the rest of Ireland v Ulster. During the height of the Tyrone/Derry rivalry of the 90s and Tyrone/Armagh rivalry of the 00s nasty incidents occurred on and off the pitch more than ever compared to before or after. Really poisonous atmospheres. It would even spill down to club friendlies and the dancefloors. I honestly believe both sets of fans and players had ill-informed preconceptions of their opponents and that added fuel to the fire.
A string of yellows can suggest a certain type of game, especially when you consider that only two of those yellows were a result of the 'brawl'. It's a weak enough observation but it possibly can suggest where there aggressor was on the field.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 23, 2012, 09:46:23 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on January 23, 2012, 09:32:08 PM
Again, I ask why the fact that two Dromid players crossed the white line to attack an official is being ignored?
Looks like the Dromid player was off the pitch holding the ball looking to take a sideline after the Derrytresk player was shouldered out over the sideline. The Derrytresk official with the clipboard piled into him from behind so he turned around and swung at him. Doesn't excuse a swinging fist but the Derrytresk offical had no business aggresively getting involved with one of the opposition players. After that all the subs and officials piled in over the hoardings.
The clipboard man looked like he was protecting himself and then moved well away from the melee.
I had a look at the scrap on You Tube, I don't know which team is blue or which is maroon. I couldn't make out which shirt colour was more guilty.
But hey, if everybody else wants to string up the team from Tyrone, I'm game.
You'll have to get behind Dick in the queue.
Quote from: Main Street on January 24, 2012, 08:25:57 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 23, 2012, 09:46:23 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on January 23, 2012, 09:32:08 PM
Again, I ask why the fact that two Dromid players crossed the white line to attack an official is being ignored?
Looks like the Dromid player was off the pitch holding the ball looking to take a sideline after the Derrytresk player was shouldered out over the sideline. The Derrytresk official with the clipboard piled into him from behind so he turned around and swung at him. Doesn't excuse a swinging fist but the Derrytresk offical had no business aggresively getting involved with one of the opposition players. After that all the subs and officials piled in over the hoardings.
The clipboard man looked like he was protecting himself and then moved well away from the melee.
Think it's fairly clear he either had a kick at or shoved the Dromid player in the back first. Then the Dromid player swung round to have a dig back at him.
Thought it was a shove yesterday but looking at it more closely today it looks more like he aimed a kick or a trip. If you pause it at the right spot you can see it. Right foot on the ground kicking with the left.
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2012, 08:27:27 PM
You'll have to get behind Dick in the queue.
Dick Clerkin?
Dick is man enough to see the error of a prejudice even if it concerns Tyrone.
"Sorry my apologies, seemingly nothing happened in Portlaoise at wknd and if anything it was only handbag stuff! Sorry I couldn't resist!""To be fair there is alot of southern bias on this whole debacle, have seen the footage, plenty of Kerry lads throwing shapes!!"Judging by the 2 exclamations used, Dick takes a dim view of 'throwing shapes'.
History repeating itself (sorta)
Crokes livid over 'unsavoury' incidents but won't appeal club final result
By Tony Leen
Tuesday, April 03, 2007
DR CROKES will not appeal the result of Sunday's controversial All-Ireland club final, but will file a letter of complaint to Croke Park detailing allegations of several "unsavoury" incidents involving Crossmaglen officials and supporters during and after the game.
The incidents in question had left "a sour taste", according to Dr Crokes chairman, Patrick O'Sullivan. He said Dr Crokes felt more aggrieved about these incidents than the failure of referee Eugene Murtagh to send off Crossmaglen's John McEntee, despite showing him two yellow cards.
"The club is very bitter about the stuff that went on, far more so than on the yellow card. I've had a lot of parents onto me today expressing their disgust, and looking for action from the GAA.
"We had 40 kids there on Sunday, and it was a poor advert for the GAA."
The Croke Park complaint will detail several allegations — that two Dr Crokes subs were "intimidated" by a Crossmaglen "maor uisce" at the end of the first half, that Crokes midfielder Ambrose O'Donovan was struck in the back of the head by a Crossmaglen fan after being sent off, and that Gardaí had to twice intervene to stop other Crokes subs sitting in the stand being threatened by Crossmaglen fans.
The Crokes chairman claimed that a couple of Crossmaglen supporters were evicted from the area as a result by Gardaí and stewards.
O'Sullivan added that no-one from the winning camp saw fit to visit the Dr Crokes dressing room after the game — even though the chairman and coach, Pat O'Shea both visited the winners' celebrations afterwards.
"If this is the kind of antics that Crossmaglen are going to bring to the game, then it is little wonder that Ulster football gets so much bad publicity," the Dr Crokes chairman said.
"We felt obliged to draw the Gardaí's attention to two of the incidents — the sideline intimidation and the O'Donovan incident with a fan."
He said Crokes officials had brought the referee's mistake on John McEntee to the attention of the linesman, and claimed they were "more or less told to get stuffed."
Crokes are also fuming at the lack of protection afforded to their star player, Colm Cooper, which Mr O'Sullivan claimed went way beyond the normal "rough and tumble" of gaelic football.
"There's no doubt that certain Crokes players were targeted — Colm, Eoin Brosnan and Kieran O'Leary," he claimed.
Crossmaglen chairman Tommy Coleman said he was unaware of such allegations. "This is news to me," he said last night. "I didn't see anything unsavoury at the game."
"I did see the Gardaí over in front of the subs but from where I was sitting at the other side I couldn't hear or see exactly what happened."
He stressed: "This wouldn't be our style and we would not condone that kind of carry on by anyone associated with the club."
Mr Coleman said that he and club chiefs would have no problem investigating any claims of wrong doing.
"If we need to have an investigation, we will have an investigation. We have our own video and the video from TG4 which we can study if we need to. But as I said I didn't see any problem."
Mr Coleman admitted that the controversies since Sunday have 'taken the gloss' off Crossmaglen's win — their fourth All Ireland title in 10 years.
"It has taken some of the gloss off it. First you had the controversy over the two yellow cards and now this. But the referee made a mistake not us. We played exceptionally well and Pat O'Shea has acknowledged that fact."
GAA President Nickey Brennan said yesterday he will ask "serious questions" about the McEntee affair, but does not believe his dismissal would have changed the course of the game.
"I'm as frustrated as anyone else that such a situation occurred. I personally don't believe it had an impact on the game but that is not the issue at stake. I wouldn't be happy with it and there will be people I have to talk to about how it can be solved in the future.''
The Competitions Control Committee (CCC) will consider Murtagh's report today. Meanwhile Brennan will also be asking the referees co-ordinator Pierce Freaney how such a mistake occurred and looking at potential solutions, agreeing with one suggestion that the burden for totting up cards could be removed from the referee to the fourth official.
"If we have to change the way things happen, let's change them. Whatever has to happen, let's do it. (We must) see where along the line did we slip up so that we can get the matter sorted out going forward. It shouldn't have happened."
Read more: http://irishexaminer.com/archives/2007/0403/sport/crokes-livid-over-unsavoury-incidents-but-wont-appeal-club-final-result-29460.html#ixzz1kPXGEAqr
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 24, 2012, 08:42:46 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 24, 2012, 08:25:57 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 23, 2012, 09:46:23 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on January 23, 2012, 09:32:08 PM
Again, I ask why the fact that two Dromid players crossed the white line to attack an official is being ignored?
Looks like the Dromid player was off the pitch holding the ball looking to take a sideline after the Derrytresk player was shouldered out over the sideline. The Derrytresk official with the clipboard piled into him from behind so he turned around and swung at him. Doesn't excuse a swinging fist but the Derrytresk offical had no business aggresively getting involved with one of the opposition players. After that all the subs and officials piled in over the hoardings.
The clipboard man looked like he was protecting himself and then moved well away from the melee.
Think it's fairly clear he either had a kick at or shoved the Dromid player in the back first. Then the Dromid player swung round to have a dig back at him.
Thought it was a shove yesterday but looking at it more closely today it looks more like he aimed a kick or a trip. If you pause it at the right spot you can see it. Right foot on the ground kicking with the left.
Nah I don't see the kick, I just see him aggressively fending off the maroon shirted player and we don't see what caused that reaction in the first place.
But clipboard man shouldn't have been there, should he?
I remember a Dublin clipboard man came onto the pitch and directed a head butt towards Tommy Freeman in a league game at Parnell Pk while a game was in progress and entering a very crucial stage. It took a few days before the Dublin board named the culprit.
Be very wary of men with clipboards and women with handbags.
Quote from: hardstation on January 24, 2012, 09:06:32 PM
Dromid have pissed a lot of people off the way they have handled this. They're the ones running to the media and whinging (which is nothing more than sour grapes). Nobody is denying that Derrytresk acted appallingly and they were worse than Dromid because of their subs. Dromid, however, have tried to claim that they are the victims and they have tried to paint an angelic picture of themselves when it couldn't be further from the truth. They acted like corner boys too. The other thing is that they have put out that there is 'more horrific' stuff than what we saw but refuse to say what it is. An annoying bunch of t**ts, tbh.
While I'd agree to a certain extent HS, there does seem to be a pretty clear 'action-reaction' dynamic here. So while Dromid certainly didn't cover themselves in glory, their actions seemed to be in response to what had gone before. If someone grabbed me by the balls I would want to see him suffer. It's never happened to me and I've never been on a field where any other player has complained of it happening to him. It would seem it happened to a number of Dromid players at the start of this game. So while Dromid played their full part in the handbags, it would seem that Derrytresk set the tone. After that, it's inevitable it will all kick off. It's undeniable that Tyrone club football is earning itself a very nasty rep throughout the wider GAA community. Tyrone people would say that's unfair as unsavoury incidents happen all over the country and maybe that's true. There does seem to be a disproportionate number of such incidents in Tyrone however. To be honest, I couldn't care less about players pulling and dragging on the pitch. It's 15 v 15 and lads can look after themselves. But this craic of fans getting involved with each other and opposition players has to stop.
Quote from: hardstation on January 24, 2012, 09:24:29 PM
How do you know anyone had their bag gripped or have you just been sucked in by the Dromid PR machine?
The Dromid PR machine. Now there's a phrase I never thought I'd see :)
In 6 months time some people will look back at some stuff they said in papers and cringe I think but there is no doubt that they feel very strongly that they were subject to stuff they had never experienced before. I think if they had a PR machine it'd have been handled differently but I know this is not simply a case of sour grapes.
Quote from: hardstation on January 24, 2012, 09:24:29 PM
How do you know anyone had their bag gripped or have you just been sucked in by the Dromid PR machine?
I know a Dromid man and he showed me the paw prints on his bag so that's good enough for me.
Precisely why I said a PR machine would have made a much better job of it from their side. This was a bunch of angry people lashing out and letting emotion rule the head. Some of the stuff they came out with was not at all helpful to their case. As to the video I think the trampish behaviour is fairly obvious.
What would any self respecting GAA man be doing with a handbag?
surely the lethal weapon has to be a man bag?
At the end of the day, all things being equal, the subs jumping the hoarding is what sways it for me.
That can't go unpunished.
I think Derrytresk will be made an example of here as this isn't the Tyrone county board they're dealing with.
Would not be surprised if they were turfed out.
I remember getting the balls pulled off me at U14 by a Windmill FB before a ball was kicked.
Quote from: hardstation on January 24, 2012, 09:49:10 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 24, 2012, 09:48:12 PM
What would any self respecting GAA man be doing with a handbag?
surely the lethal weapon has to be a man bag?
It was a woman and Derrytresk are auctioning it for charity (the handbag).
When this all dies down, as it will, Declan is going to get an awful slagging about that, on and off the field. He knows it too :)
Quote from: hardstation on January 24, 2012, 09:56:21 PM
I'd be shocked if they were turfed out. There'll be a rake of suspensions given to both teams.
I agree that's what will happen. I'd say Dromid will get a couple of 2 monthers or so for the initial incident and I suspect Derrytresk will get 5 or 6 longer ones for the subs entering the field and maybe a mentor or two. They won't be thrown out.
Don't underestimate how sensitive Croke Park are to the bleatings of the Joe Duffy brigade.
Multiple newspaper front pages carried stills of the action too.
I think they'll come down hard on both teams but Derrytresk will get the worst of it because of their subs.
Derrytresk women do not carry handbags. Due to the spongy nature and sphagnum composition of the surrounding moss, a bouncy gait has developed over the years that can seriousy upset the contents of any handbag. Many's a Derrytresk woman in the fifties was spotted with black lips and red eyes, until after a convention in the hill hut in 1960, handbags were banned from all sporting events. The offending item may have been mistaken for a make-up holster, developed by Hugh-Pat the Red boys' oul' blade, Biddy the youngfella...
I have faith that there will not be a hysterical response. I suspect both clubs will receive hefty fines, and there will be a few on each side suspended. Again I don't think if the Kerry en had won there would be any fuss, despite the rows. One ill that article sums it all up well.
Bench shouldn't have emptied but was really just handbags over in 30 seconds.
Re people saying the 'worst i've ever seen'--that's pure shite --See Antrim (abandoned) Football Final St Pauls' v Cargin 2000 at Casement for worst (best) anyones ever seen
Some website had their top 5 GAA rows.
Moorefield and Dromard was a proper dust-up!
Have replyed the video over and over.
The initial incident along the line, which seemed to be sparked by some sort of blow from the Kerry player, and developed into a spat between 2 players, was innocuous enough until a "mentor" got involved, then a Derrytresk player came in at a hundred miles an hour - obviously to cool things down! Suddenly all eyes are on the sideline.....
At 11 seconds (yes, 11 seconds) at least 3 Derrytresk subs had vaulted the barrier, followed by the mob, and all hell let loose.
Faults on both sides but, lads, when the field is encroached -menacingly - by subs, mentors and (maybe) some supporters, the club has to hold its hands up.
No sign of that from DT so far, sadly quite the oppposite.
The best we've heard is "leave it up to the GAA".
We ARE the GAA. If I was a member of a club whose subs etc. behaved like that I would be demanding that the club deal with it severely right away.
But the sneaking regard culture prevails....Is that what our association is about?
Quote from: hardstation on January 24, 2012, 10:56:12 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 24, 2012, 10:53:23 PM
Some website had their top 5 GAA rows.
Moorefield and Dromard was a proper dust-up!
Never heard of it.
What were the punishments then?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGYAj6odXyk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGYAj6odXyk)
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=86576 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=86576)
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2012, 08:13:48 PM
LS, you seem to interpret things in a rather exaggerated manner. You seem to want to believe I'm making an excuse.
No one is excusing anything here. No one was settling scores for previous games. Setting a context isn't finding an excuse - it's more of a psychological observation and I know I'm correct about this. I listened to normally rational friends and relatives spouting frighteningly irrational beliefs about Kerry v Ulster and even the rest of Ireland v Ulster. During the height of the Tyrone/Derry rivalry of the 90s and Tyrone/Armagh rivalry of the 00s nasty incidents occurred on and off the pitch more than ever compared to before or after. Really poisonous atmospheres. It would even spill down to club friendlies and the dancefloors. I honestly believe both sets of fans and players had ill-informed preconceptions of their opponents and that added fuel to the fire.
Good point well made. It seems that the common link in all your examples above is Tyrone.
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2012, 08:49:08 PM
History repeating itself (sorta)
Crokes livid over 'unsavoury' incidents but won't appeal club final result
By Tony Leen
Tuesday, April 03, 2007
DR CROKES will not appeal the result of Sunday's controversial All-Ireland club final, but will file a letter of complaint to Croke Park detailing allegations of several "unsavoury" incidents involving Crossmaglen officials and supporters during and after the game.
'Twas only a matter of time until the doyens of such behaviour appeared on this thread.
kevin mcstay and pat spillane have their say too...
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2012/0124/jfc_brawl.html
look there's no dispute that the subs/supporters that ran onto to the field were out of order
but the media witch hunt against the derrytresk club is a disgrace.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on January 25, 2012, 08:30:00 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2012, 08:13:48 PM
LS, you seem to interpret things in a rather exaggerated manner. You seem to want to believe I'm making an excuse.
No one is excusing anything here. No one was settling scores for previous games. Setting a context isn't finding an excuse - it's more of a psychological observation and I know I'm correct about this. I listened to normally rational friends and relatives spouting frighteningly irrational beliefs about Kerry v Ulster and even the rest of Ireland v Ulster. During the height of the Tyrone/Derry rivalry of the 90s and Tyrone/Armagh rivalry of the 00s nasty incidents occurred on and off the pitch more than ever compared to before or after. Really poisonous atmospheres. It would even spill down to club friendlies and the dancefloors. I honestly believe both sets of fans and players had ill-informed preconceptions of their opponents and that added fuel to the fire.
Good point well made. It seems that the common link in all your examples above is Tyrone.
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2012, 08:49:08 PM
History repeating itself (sorta)
Crokes livid over 'unsavoury' incidents but won't appeal club final result
By Tony Leen
Tuesday, April 03, 2007
DR CROKES will not appeal the result of Sunday's controversial All-Ireland club final, but will file a letter of complaint to Croke Park detailing allegations of several "unsavoury" incidents involving Crossmaglen officials and supporters during and after the game.
'Twas only a matter of time until the doyens of such behaviour appeared on this thread.
Must not bite....must not bite.....must not....ah there I feel so much better now that I didn't react, therapy is working wonders for me ;D
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 25, 2012, 10:04:10 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on January 25, 2012, 08:30:00 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2012, 08:13:48 PM
LS, you seem to interpret things in a rather exaggerated manner. You seem to want to believe I'm making an excuse.
No one is excusing anything here. No one was settling scores for previous games. Setting a context isn't finding an excuse - it's more of a psychological observation and I know I'm correct about this. I listened to normally rational friends and relatives spouting frighteningly irrational beliefs about Kerry v Ulster and even the rest of Ireland v Ulster. During the height of the Tyrone/Derry rivalry of the 90s and Tyrone/Armagh rivalry of the 00s nasty incidents occurred on and off the pitch more than ever compared to before or after. Really poisonous atmospheres. It would even spill down to club friendlies and the dancefloors. I honestly believe both sets of fans and players had ill-informed preconceptions of their opponents and that added fuel to the fire.
Good point well made. It seems that the common link in all your examples above is Tyrone.
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2012, 08:49:08 PM
History repeating itself (sorta)
Crokes livid over 'unsavoury' incidents but won't appeal club final result
By Tony Leen
Tuesday, April 03, 2007
DR CROKES will not appeal the result of Sunday's controversial All-Ireland club final, but will file a letter of complaint to Croke Park detailing allegations of several "unsavoury" incidents involving Crossmaglen officials and supporters during and after the game.
'Twas only a matter of time until the doyens of such behaviour appeared on this thread.
Must not bite....must not bite.....must not....ah there I feel so much better now that I didn't react, therapy is working wonders for me ;D
Ah shite!
The fact of the matter is that in a situation like this, so called journalists who were not present go by the word of another so called journalist who was not present either. The mass media then creates a witch hunt. I would pay little heed on such events as the powers that be seem to handle these things without being influenced by the mejia!
BTW the Dromid manager really comes accross as a very very sore losers, perhaps even a little immature!
Clarshack, it's not a media witch hunt.
As mentioned quite a few times on this thread, this kind of thing happens at least once a weekend somewhere in the country. It even happened with my own club two seasons ago. And we did what every club does in this situation, we closed ranks and wouldn't name names when asked by investigating officials.
What marks this incident out as different is that it happened in view of an independent cameraman. Which means there is accurate coverage of a disgraceful scene, and the GAA have a rare opportunity to do something meaningful about it. There is no witch hunt, but for once, simple, clear and obvious evidence of serious transgression.
In my mind Dromid are equally culpable in this mess - but as they have nothing to lose in the competition anymore, by nature they can be more forthright and honest about the scenes than Derrytresk can be. Any admission of guilt by Derrytresk runs a chance of player suspensions, and even competition disqualification - so they're now sh1t scared and paranoid, and are backing into a corner.
My recommendation for resolution is simple enough. Leave the actual players alone; that's for the referee to handle, and if he wants to cite those players he can - but he won't. The GAA then freeze frames the video and asks the clubs to supply the names of each substitute, official and spectator identified in the melee. The actions of each of those people are then tracked through the footage, and if they're clearly aggressive, then they're banned from the next 3-10 Championship matches involving their club. This means the subs miss out on Championship football, and the spectators are physically banned from the arena. This, of course, punishes Derrytresk more than Dromid - but if Dromid had have won, that shoe would have been on the other foot.
If the clubs refuse to aid the investigation, they're simply removed from Championship football, this year and next.
This is not a hardline suggestion. It's simply a means of identifying those people who felt they could enter a sporting arena, and punishing them for doing so. And it would set a suitable precedent for handling such situations going forward.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html?features,3177986,3177986,flash,257
Oh surely not Pat Spillane and Kevin McStay talking shite for games they weren't at!
Quote from: thewobbler on January 25, 2012, 10:40:12 AM
The actions of each of those people are then tracked through the footage, and if they're clearly aggressive, then they're banned from the next 3-10 Championship matches involving their club.
Match bans are not yet part of the GAA rulebook.
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 25, 2012, 11:05:45 AM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html?features,3177986,3177986,flash,257
Oh surely not Pat Spillane and Kevin McStay talking shite for games they weren't at!
What's all this about people who weren't at the game not being entitled to an opinion?
Did I not watch a video showing a load of subs jumping the hoardings to attack a couple of greatly outnumbered opposition players?
I see the ulster council delegate Pat Darcy is sticking his beak in now and telling the world that this regularly happens 'EVERYWHERE' in the GAA, and Tyrone are being unfairly singled out.
a) That's bullshit.
b) Isn't that a great message to be sending out?
Tyrone club football is on message for 2012.
The media is watching and waiting.
FFS will you get a grip of yourselves.
At the very least, stop anyone going into a game with a camera.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 25, 2012, 10:40:12 AM
Clarshack, it's not a media witch hunt.
As mentioned quite a few times on this thread, this kind of thing happens at least once a weekend somewhere in the country. It even happened with my own club two seasons ago. And we did what every club does in this situation, we closed ranks and wouldn't name names when asked by investigating officials.
What marks this incident out as different is that it happened in view of an independent cameraman. Which means there is accurate coverage of a disgraceful scene, and the GAA have a rare opportunity to do something meaningful about it. There is no witch hunt, but for once, simple, clear and obvious evidence of serious transgression.
In my mind Dromid are equally culpable in this mess - but as they have nothing to lose in the competition anymore, by nature they can be more forthright and honest about the scenes than Derrytresk can be. Any admission of guilt by Derrytresk runs a chance of player suspensions, and even competition disqualification - so they're now sh1t scared and paranoid, and are backing into a corner.
My recommendation for resolution is simple enough. Leave the actual players alone; that's for the referee to handle, and if he wants to cite those players he can - but he won't. The GAA then freeze frames the video and asks the clubs to supply the names of each substitute, official and spectator identified in the melee. The actions of each of those people are then tracked through the footage, and if they're clearly aggressive, then they're banned from the next 3-10 Championship matches involving their club. This means the subs miss out on Championship football, and the spectators are physically banned from the arena. This, of course, punishes Derrytresk more than Dromid - but if Dromid had have won, that shoe would have been on the other foot.
If the clubs refuse to aid the investigation, they're simply removed from Championship football, this year and next.
This is not a hardline suggestion. It's simply a means of identifying those people who felt they could enter a sporting arena, and punishing them for doing so. And it would set a suitable precedent for handling such situations going forward.
No? What is the ratio of Tyrone vs. Kerry 'journalists' quoted then?
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2012, 11:20:26 AM
At the very least, stop anyone going into a game with a camera.
At this game, it was a Kerry camera that did the deed.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2012, 11:20:26 AM
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 25, 2012, 11:05:45 AM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html?features,3177986,3177986,flash,257
Oh surely not Pat Spillane and Kevin McStay talking shite for games they weren't at!
What's all this about people who weren't at the game not being entitled to an opinion?
Did I not watch a video showing a load of subs jumping the hoardings to attack a couple of greatly outnumbered opposition players?
I see the ulster council delegate Pat Darcy is sticking his beak in now and telling the world that this regularly happens 'EVERYWHERE' in the GAA, and Tyrone are being unfairly singled out.
a) That's bullshit.
b) Isn't that a great message to be sending out?
Tyrone club football is on message for 2012.
The media is watching and waiting.
FFS will you get a grip of yourselves.
At the very least, stop anyone going into a game with a camera.
I love an opinion on everything. But I don't get paid for it. Kerry men getting interviewed on something they didn't see is that fair? why did RTE not interview people who were at the game. It's not like it's an unconventional type of journalism.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2012, 11:20:26 AM
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 25, 2012, 11:05:45 AM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html?features,3177986,3177986,flash,257
Oh surely not Pat Spillane and Kevin McStay talking shite for games they weren't at!
What's all this about people who weren't at the game not being entitled to an opinion?
Did I not watch a video showing a load of subs jumping the hoardings to attack a couple of greatly outnumbered opposition players?
I see the ulster council delegate Pat Darcy is sticking his beak in now and telling the world that this regularly happens 'EVERYWHERE' in the GAA, and Tyrone are being unfairly singled out.
a) That's bullshit.
b) Isn't that a great message to be sending out?
Tyrone club football is on message for 2012.
The media is watching and waiting.
FFS will you get a grip of yourselves.
At the very least, stop anyone going into a game with a camera.
(c) Testicles being touched everywhere according to the Dromid manager is this a good message? or is it bullshit? Man sounded delusional in fairness.
I've read plenty of opinions from people that were at the game.
The journalist Michael Clifford was there with his kids.
You only want to hear the opinions that say 'There were two teams in it'.
Does anyone honestly think that if Dromid were playing a team from Dublin, Meath, Cork, Galway or wherever that this game would have had such a nasty undertone?
p.s. Tyrone men have form for grabbing balls!
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2012, 11:33:30 AM
I've read plenty of opinions from people that were at the game.
The journalist Michael Clifford was there with his kids.
You only want to hear the opinions that say 'There were two teams in it'.
Does anyone honestly think that if Dromid were playing a team from Dublin, Meath, Cork, Galway or wherever that this game would have had such a nasty undertone?
p.s. Tyrone men have form for grabbing balls!
No I don't want to just hear 'there were two teams at it' but I would like to hear the national media quoting Tyrone as well as Kerry sources. And by sources I mean people who are prepared to say what they saw first hand. Not secondary or tertiary sources.
So on the subject how do you know the game had 'a nasty undertone' were you there?
Quote from: thewobbler on January 25, 2012, 10:40:12 AM
Clarshack, it's not a media witch hunt.
As mentioned quite a few times on this thread, this kind of thing happens at least once a weekend somewhere in the country. It even happened with my own club two seasons ago. And we did what every club does in this situation, we closed ranks and wouldn't name names when asked by investigating officials.
What marks this incident out as different is that it happened in view of an independent cameraman. Which means there is accurate coverage of a disgraceful scene, and the GAA have a rare opportunity to do something meaningful about it. There is no witch hunt, but for once, simple, clear and obvious evidence of serious transgression.
In my mind Dromid are equally culpable in this mess - but as they have nothing to lose in the competition anymore, by nature they can be more forthright and honest about the scenes than Derrytresk can be. Any admission of guilt by Derrytresk runs a chance of player suspensions, and even competition disqualification - so they're now sh1t scared and paranoid, and are backing into a corner.
My recommendation for resolution is simple enough. Leave the actual players alone; that's for the referee to handle, and if he wants to cite those players he can - but he won't. The GAA then freeze frames the video and asks the clubs to supply the names of each substitute, official and spectator identified in the melee. The actions of each of those people are then tracked through the footage, and if they're clearly aggressive, then they're banned from the next 3-10 Championship matches involving their club. This means the subs miss out on Championship football, and the spectators are physically banned from the arena. This, of course, punishes Derrytresk more than Dromid - but if Dromid had have won, that shoe would have been on the other foot.
If the clubs refuse to aid the investigation, they're simply removed from Championship football, this year and next.
This is not a hardline suggestion. It's simply a means of identifying those people who felt they could enter a sporting arena, and punishing them for doing so. And it would set a suitable precedent for handling such situations going forward.
Wobbler, your post is the only sensible, unhysterical one that I have heard since this whole saga started.
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 25, 2012, 11:48:18 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2012, 11:33:30 AM
I've read plenty of opinions from people that were at the game.
The journalist Michael Clifford was there with his kids.
You only want to hear the opinions that say 'There were two teams in it'.
Does anyone honestly think that if Dromid were playing a team from Dublin, Meath, Cork, Galway or wherever that this game would have had such a nasty undertone?
p.s. Tyrone men have form for grabbing balls!
No I don't want to just hear 'there were two teams at it' but I would like to hear the national media quoting Tyrone as well as Kerry sources. And by sources I mean people who are prepared to say what they saw first hand. Not secondary or tertiary sources.
So on the subject how do you know the game had 'a nasty undertone' were you there?
From the countless eyewitness reports.
Are you saying there
wasn't a nasty undertone?!
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2012, 11:20:26 AM
What's all this about people who weren't at the game not being entitled to an opinion? Did I not watch a video....
Yes, you did watch a video. A small edited down section of a bigger video. Commissioned and released by Dromid Pearses.
You'd think with the sheer amount of "testicle tugging" which we are told went on, that there would be some footage of that released too. I'm sure it genuinely happened though because the Dromid Pearses manager said so.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2012, 11:50:55 AM
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 25, 2012, 11:48:18 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2012, 11:33:30 AM
I've read plenty of opinions from people that were at the game.
The journalist Michael Clifford was there with his kids.
You only want to hear the opinions that say 'There were two teams in it'.
Does anyone honestly think that if Dromid were playing a team from Dublin, Meath, Cork, Galway or wherever that this game would have had such a nasty undertone?
p.s. Tyrone men have form for grabbing balls!
No I don't want to just hear 'there were two teams at it' but I would like to hear the national media quoting Tyrone as well as Kerry sources. And by sources I mean people who are prepared to say what they saw first hand. Not secondary or tertiary sources.
So on the subject how do you know the game had 'a nasty undertone' were you there?
From the countless eyewitness reports.
Are you saying there wasn't a nasty undertone?!
Source of 'countless' reports? I'd settle for 10.
Only undertones I know are the ones used to play with Fergal Sharkey. Never saw them play a football game.
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 25, 2012, 11:53:38 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2012, 11:20:26 AM
What's all this about people who weren't at the game not being entitled to an opinion? Did I not watch a video....
Yes, you did watch a video. A small edited down section of a bigger video. Commissioned and released by Dromid Pearses.
You'd think with the sheer amount of "testicle tugging" which we are told went on, that there would be some footage of that released too. I'm sure it genuinely happened though because the Dromid Pearses manager said so.
What editing do you think was done Nally? It seems to be just a clip of the row, not an edited version. I don't see any breaks or time lags.
I would like to see the full match though, and hopefully I'll get a chance soon.
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 25, 2012, 11:55:11 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2012, 11:50:55 AM
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 25, 2012, 11:48:18 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2012, 11:33:30 AM
I've read plenty of opinions from people that were at the game.
The journalist Michael Clifford was there with his kids.
You only want to hear the opinions that say 'There were two teams in it'.
Does anyone honestly think that if Dromid were playing a team from Dublin, Meath, Cork, Galway or wherever that this game would have had such a nasty undertone?
p.s. Tyrone men have form for grabbing balls!
No I don't want to just hear 'there were two teams at it' but I would like to hear the national media quoting Tyrone as well as Kerry sources. And by sources I mean people who are prepared to say what they saw first hand. Not secondary or tertiary sources.
So on the subject how do you know the game had 'a nasty undertone' were you there?
From the countless eyewitness reports.
Are you saying there wasn't a nasty undertone?!
Source of 'countless' reports? I'd settle for 10.
Only undertones I know are the ones used to play with Fergal Sharkey. Never saw them play a football game.
Are they the lads that did 'Teenage Kicks'? Hmmm.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 25, 2012, 11:57:03 AM
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 25, 2012, 11:55:11 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2012, 11:50:55 AM
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 25, 2012, 11:48:18 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2012, 11:33:30 AM
I've read plenty of opinions from people that were at the game.
The journalist Michael Clifford was there with his kids.
You only want to hear the opinions that say 'There were two teams in it'.
Does anyone honestly think that if Dromid were playing a team from Dublin, Meath, Cork, Galway or wherever that this game would have had such a nasty undertone?
p.s. Tyrone men have form for grabbing balls!
No I don't want to just hear 'there were two teams at it' but I would like to hear the national media quoting Tyrone as well as Kerry sources. And by sources I mean people who are prepared to say what they saw first hand. Not secondary or tertiary sources.
So on the subject how do you know the game had 'a nasty undertone' were you there?
From the countless eyewitness reports.
Are you saying there wasn't a nasty undertone?!
Source of 'countless' reports? I'd settle for 10.
Only undertones I know are the ones used to play with Fergal Sharkey. Never saw them play a football game.
Are they the lads that did 'Teenage Kicks'? Hmmm.
Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oskM5XD_Yc4
Of course for the perfect Kerry lads this is more apt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5hnCb-93WY
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2012, 11:33:30 AM
I've read plenty of opinions from people that were at the game.
The journalist Michael Clifford was there with his kids.
You only want to hear the opinions that say 'There were two teams in it'.
Does anyone honestly think that if Dromid were playing a team from Dublin, Meath, Cork, Galway or wherever that this game would have had such a nasty undertone?
p.s. Tyrone men have form for grabbing balls!
I didn't know Michael Clifford was from Tyrone?
In Portlaoise town with no guards in sight
I see my chance in a handbags fight
A Dromid man lying on the ground,
With other subs gathered round
I wanna run, run into the fight
And Give teenage kicks right through the night
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 25, 2012, 12:04:14 PM
In Portlaoise town with no guards in sight
I see my chance in a handbags fight
A Dromid man lying on the ground,
With other subs gathered round
I wanna run, run into the fight
And Give teenage kicks right through the night
Good effort but more Tom Pettyish
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 25, 2012, 12:04:14 PM
In Portlaoise town with no guards in sight
I see my chance in a handbags fight
A Dromid man lying on the ground,
With other subs gathered round
I wanna run, run into the fight
And Give teenage kicks right through the night
;D
If anybody watched the Munster match on Saturday there was an incident similar to this in that it involved a number of players. the only difference here was the incursion on to the pitch of subs and the involvement of fans and mentors. To be honest it adds to the excitement if there is a bit of a handbag fight at a match. However there appears to be developing a propensity for subs and fans to get involved. It is this that I would like to see being dealt with by the CCC. At the Munster match no fans got involved, no mentors and no subs, the ref let the palyers sort it out. What concerns me here as well is the rush to blame this on the Nordies. As I reminded people earlier it wasn't Nordies that attacked Martin Sludden. If the GAA can't get a grip on subs and fans then we will see repeats of the Ray Mathews incident were Referees are then targeted, so big bans required here and in other games too.
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 25, 2012, 12:42:13 PM
If anybody watched the Munster match on Saturday there was an incident similar to this in that it involved a number of players. the only difference here was the incursion on to the pitch of subs and the involvement of fans and mentors. To be honest it adds to the excitement if there is a bit of a handbag fight at a match. However there appears to be developing a propensity for subs and fans to get involved. It is this that I would like to see being dealt with by the CCC. At the Munster match no fans got involved, no mentors and no subs, the ref let the palyers sort it out. What concerns me here as well is the rush to blame this on the Nordies. As I reminded people earlier it wasn't Nordies that attacked Martin Sludden. If the GAA can't get a grip on subs and fans then we will see repeats of the Ray Mathews incident were Referees are then targeted, so big bans required here and in other games too.
Louth people are
de facto nordies.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2012, 12:51:23 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 25, 2012, 12:42:13 PM
If anybody watched the Munster match on Saturday there was an incident similar to this in that it involved a number of players. the only difference here was the incursion on to the pitch of subs and the involvement of fans and mentors. To be honest it adds to the excitement if there is a bit of a handbag fight at a match. However there appears to be developing a propensity for subs and fans to get involved. It is this that I would like to see being dealt with by the CCC. At the Munster match no fans got involved, no mentors and no subs, the ref let the palyers sort it out. What concerns me here as well is the rush to blame this on the Nordies. As I reminded people earlier it wasn't Nordies that attacked Martin Sludden. If the GAA can't get a grip on subs and fans then we will see repeats of the Ray Mathews incident were Referees are then targeted, so big bans required here and in other games too.
Bollocks they are not even Ulstermen.
Louth people are de facto nordies.
I would have thought the dearth of rebuttals in the mass media from journalists of any kind was more an indictment of the Derrytresk position than something to be hidden behind as some sort of reverso defence.
I think we can assume there were as many journalists at the game from Tyrone as there was from Kerry, it's quite telling that none of them are launching spirited defences of the wrongly beset Derrytresk position.
In any case, it's a fairly lol suggestion that having two (presumably) equally and oppositely biased opinions on the incident will tell us anything other than that people see what they want to see.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2012, 12:51:23 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 25, 2012, 12:42:13 PM
If anybody watched the Munster match on Saturday there was an incident similar to this in that it involved a number of players. the only difference here was the incursion on to the pitch of subs and the involvement of fans and mentors. To be honest it adds to the excitement if there is a bit of a handbag fight at a match. However there appears to be developing a propensity for subs and fans to get involved. It is this that I would like to see being dealt with by the CCC. At the Munster match no fans got involved, no mentors and no subs, the ref let the palyers sort it out. What concerns me here as well is the rush to blame this on the Nordies. As I reminded people earlier it wasn't Nordies that attacked Martin Sludden. If the GAA can't get a grip on subs and fans then we will see repeats of the Ray Mathews incident were Referees are then targeted, so big bans required here and in other games too.
Louth people are de facto nordies.
Any word of your 'countless eyewitness reports'?
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 25, 2012, 12:42:13 PM
If anybody watched the Munster match on Saturday there was an incident similar to this in that it involved a number of players. the only difference here was the incursion on to the pitch of subs and the involvement of fans and mentors. To be honest it adds to the excitement if there is a bit of a handbag fight at a match. However there appears to be developing a propensity for subs and fans to get involved. It is this that I would like to see being dealt with by the CCC. At the Munster match no fans got involved, no mentors and no subs, the ref let the palyers sort it out. What concerns me here as well is the rush to blame this on the Nordies. As I reminded people earlier it wasn't Nordies that attacked Martin Sludden. If the GAA can't get a grip on subs and fans then we will see repeats of the Ray Mathews incident were Referees are then targeted, so big bans required here and in other games too.
One cannot compare rugby with GAA, and Im sick of the lazy analogy, not from ure goodeself but the media, radio and a couple of pals, rugby players are baboons on massive money....................usually when they step out of line, wages etc are docked hence the proper adherence to the small referees
I would generally have a problem with losers in games whnging about the result and not letting go. However, I dont think this is the case with the Dromid people. Most have given details of events that occurred and the question would be whether they are telling lies or exaggerrating what happened. Some of the incidents have no place in our games and we should be looking to Christy Cooney & co to deal with this vey strongly.
Some are implying that the Dromid people should keep quiet & accept the result. In my opinion the issues are serious enough to justify their highlighting of them. They should also identify the players that assaulted their opponents before the game by grabbing them down below.
Quote from: agorm on January 25, 2012, 01:07:44 PM
They should also identify the players that assaulted their opponents before the game by grabbing them down below.
This is the most laughable accusation. Derrytresk could highlight similar tactics but won't. I'd heard of deballing happening to a Hill player the day before Dromid came out with this. One of the Dromid sendings off was a second yellow for this same offence. Yet, Derrytresk will not bother to get involved in any kind of a media war highlighting this. Just because one side runs to the press to complain about testicle pulling....jaysus such a load of balls.
The one I was raising my eyebrows about was the 'earpiece' one. If supporters had earpieces, they were probably listening to the match on the radio :)
i blame vinnie for it all...
(http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/30/3005/SXGBF00Z/posters/paul-gascoigne-and-vinnie-jones.jpg)
Quote from: agorm on January 25, 2012, 01:07:44 PM
They should also identify the players that assaulted their opponents before the game by grabbing them down below.
grabbing them down below?
you mean grabbing them by the testicles?
Tyrone tried that lark with Dick Clerkin but the red hand wasn't big enough.
Quote from: clarshack on January 25, 2012, 01:22:53 PM
i blame vinnie for it all...
(http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/30/3005/SXGBF00Z/posters/paul-gascoigne-and-vinnie-jones.jpg)
In fairness if someone did that to me I'd punch them in the gob. But maybe that's the point of it?
The verbals and the testicular grabbing in our games are turning me off it altogether, sure us Dubs are no angels with our ex gombeen manager who tried to instill this nonsense behaviour..........................verbals, shaping, thuggery and basic shiteology........................................fair enough there are still a rough edges on our current panel and in the club scene in general, but Im resting the blame here firmly on management and at the GAAs door....................
Enough dosh there now to kick start an anti bullying campaign within the games....................... players mental health should be at the fore front of development along with the skills of the game etc
Quote from: Main Street on January 25, 2012, 01:22:59 PM
Quote from: agorm on January 25, 2012, 01:07:44 PM
They should also identify the players that assaulted their opponents before the game by grabbing them down below.
grabbing them down below?
you mean grabbing them by the testicles?
Tyrone tried that lark with Dick Clerkin but the red hand wasn't big enough.
Dick Clerking put that pic up on twitter ????????????????
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2012, 01:19:31 PM
Quote from: agorm on January 25, 2012, 01:07:44 PM
They should also identify the players that assaulted their opponents before the game by grabbing them down below.
This is the most laughable accusation. Derrytresk could highlight similar tactics but won't. I'd heard of deballing happening to a Hill player the day before Dromid came out with this. One of the Dromid sendings off was a second yellow for this same offence. Yet, Derrytresk will not bother to get involved in any kind of a media war highlighting this. Just because one side runs to the press to complain about testicle pulling....jaysus such a load of balls.
Suggesting that testicle grabbing should be ignored is a really, really dreadful reflection on you as a person. I assume I'm reading your post wrong but that seems to be your position?
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2012, 01:19:31 PM
Quote from: agorm on January 25, 2012, 01:07:44 PM
They should also identify the players that assaulted their opponents before the game by grabbing them down below.
This is the most laughable accusation. Derrytresk could highlight similar tactics but won't. I'd heard of deballing happening to a Hill player the day before Dromid came out with this. One of the Dromid sendings off was a second yellow for this same offence. Yet, Derrytresk will not bother to get involved in any kind of a media war highlighting this. Just because one side runs to the press to complain about testicle pulling....jaysus such a load of balls.
That never happened and im sure the video of the game will confirm this, he got the second yellow for knocking the football out of a players hand which didnt even warrant a second thought nevermind a yellow, in fairness to the Derrytresk player involved he got up to play on and didnt even look for the free. Nobody could believe when the ref came out with the red card.
Quote from: Keane on January 25, 2012, 01:35:38 PM
Suggesting that testicle grabbing should be ignored is a really, really dreadful reflection on you as a person. I assume I'm reading your post wrong but that seems to be your position?
Yes I really, really am a dreadful person. I think that in future if the ref, linesmen, umpires and TV don't pick up, or act, on a bit of skulduggery which may have occured between two players (be it ball tugging, neck nipping, back scratching, ear bending, name calling, eating garlic, wearing earpieces ...) there should a day set aside for complaining to the media as that's fairly important, even if it happened or not.
My dreadfulness will follow me to my grave.
Dromid would have been safer leaving complaints to the GAA and the Ref's report. The hullaballoo they have created will only draw more attention to the whole incident and perhaps the wider match. Dromid might lose out as much as Derrytresk. If not now then some where down the line they could be the ones in the dock...careful what you wish for.
"I would have thought the dearth of rebuttals in the mass media from journalists of any kind was more an indictment of the Derrytresk position than something to be hidden behind as some sort of reverso defence.
I think we can assume there were as many journalists at the game from Tyrone as there was from Kerry, it's quite telling that none of them are launching spirited defences of the wrongly beset Derrytresk position."
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/archives/12333
not sure if the link will work
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2012, 01:52:05 PM
Yes I really, really am a dreadful person. I think that in future if the ref, linesmen, umpires and TV don't pick up, or act, on a bit of skulduggery which may have occured between two players (be it ball tugging, neck nipping, back scratching, ear bending, name calling, eating garlic, wearing earpieces ...) there should a day set aside for complaining to the media as that's fairly important, even if it happened or not.
My dreadfulness will follow me to my grave.
Glibly dismissing something like grabbing a fellow players' testicles is contemptible, pretty much sub-human tbh.
Quote from: Keane on January 25, 2012, 02:13:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2012, 01:52:05 PM
Yes I really, really am a dreadful person. I think that in future if the ref, linesmen, umpires and TV don't pick up, or act, on a bit of skulduggery which may have occured between two players (be it ball tugging, neck nipping, back scratching, ear bending, name calling, eating garlic, wearing earpieces ...) there should a day set aside for complaining to the media as that's fairly important, even if it happened or not.
My dreadfulness will follow me to my grave.
Glibly dismissing something like grabbing a fellow players' testicles is contemptible, pretty much sub-human tbh.
Reading not a strong point? I'm addressing the running to the media to complain approach. I don't care if it was bollock-bating or eyebrow-tweezing.
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2012, 02:18:42 PM
Reading not a strong point? I'm addressing the running to the media to complain approach. I don't care if it was bollock-bating or eyebrow-tweezing.
There is absolutely no reason why people should feel reluctant to tell the media if something like that happens to them on the pitch.
It's a matter for the guards in my humble opinion, but if a media campaign can help educate these animals who think this sort of assault has any place in a civilised society, never mind on a sports field, then that avenue should be exercised to the absolute maximum.
Quote from: Keane on January 25, 2012, 02:24:03 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2012, 02:18:42 PM
Reading not a strong point? I'm addressing the running to the media to complain approach. I don't care if it was bollock-bating or eyebrow-tweezing.
There is absolutely no reason why people should feel reluctant to tell the media if something like that happens to them on the pitch.
It's a matter for the guards in my humble opinion, but if a media campaign can help educate these animals who think this sort of assault has any place in a civilised society, never mind on a sports field, then that avenue should be exercised to the absolute maximum.
I could tell the media a story about someone grabbing my balls at work today? Does that mean that it happened? Also, why dont they tell the guards?
The Kerry folk as usual when beaten by a Tyrone outfit are trying to justify the defeat by creating an image about the game that they were beaten unfairly. This has become a great media story over the years and has become the ultimate outlet for lazy journalists who have f*ck all imagination to come up with new stories.
Derrytresk in most of their games to date, since the ulster semi at least have seen the opposition have a player sent off. Either all these sides have had discipline issues or the hill men are well versed in the darker arts. Has ricey been taking any of their training sessions?
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2012, 02:29:17 PM
I could tell the media a story about someone grabbing my balls at work today? Does that mean that it happened? Also, why dont they tell the guards?
Is making up a story about having your balls grabbed at work something you're likely to do?
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2012, 02:29:17 PMThe Kerry folk as usual when beaten by a Tyrone outfit are trying to justify the defeat by creating an image about the game that they were beaten unfairly. This has become a great media story over the years and has become the ultimate outlet for lazy journalists who have f*ck all imagination to come up with new stories.
Standard strawman argument, I'm unlikely to bite but you may fire at will.
Quote from: Armamike on January 25, 2012, 02:33:32 PM
Derrytresk in most of their games to date, since the ulster semi at least have seen the opposition have a player sent off. Either all these sides have had discipline issues or the hill men are well versed in the darker arts. Has ricey been taking any of their training sessions?
It takes a fair bit of thinking to arrive at that conclusion. There has been some pile of dung talked on this thread.
Quote from: Armamike on January 25, 2012, 02:33:32 PM
Derrytresk in most of their games to date, since the ulster semi at least
Mmmmm. Bit of a problem there.
Quote from: Keane on January 25, 2012, 02:13:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2012, 01:52:05 PM
Yes I really, really am a dreadful person. I think that in future if the ref, linesmen, umpires and TV don't pick up, or act, on a bit of skulduggery which may have occured between two players (be it ball tugging, neck nipping, back scratching, ear bending, name calling, eating garlic, wearing earpieces ...) there should a day set aside for complaining to the media as that's fairly important, even if it happened or not.
My dreadfulness will follow me to my grave.
Glibly dismissing something like grabbing a fellow players' testicles is contemptible, pretty much sub-human tbh.
But the problem is that he may be lying about it. We've seen nothing to suggest that it's true and indeed as per Oneills post there's similar allegations against Dromid from the looks of it. But they're serious allegations to be throwing about and tarnishing reputations without having anything to back it up.
Quote from: Keane on January 25, 2012, 02:37:55 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2012, 02:29:17 PM
I could tell the media a story about someone grabbing my balls at work today? Does that mean that it happened? Also, why dont they tell the guards?
Is making up a story about having your balls grabbed at work something you're likely to do?
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2012, 02:29:17 PMThe Kerry folk as usual when beaten by a Tyrone outfit are trying to justify the defeat by creating an image about the game that they were beaten unfairly. This has become a great media story over the years and has become the ultimate outlet for lazy journalists who have f*ck all imagination to come up with new stories.
Standard strawman argument, I'm unlikely to bite but you may fire at will.
On your first point - no, I'm not likely to do that, but then I'm not trying to make up an excuse for my ineptitude. But if I did, it would be a sure fire way of tarnishing the reputation of someone and i would need significant evidence before even thinking about making the claim.
On your second point - The irony of a Kerryman accusing me of making standard arguments is not lost on me after listening to the drivel that comes out of your county everytime you lose to a Tyrone team.
Quote from: Keane on January 25, 2012, 02:24:03 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2012, 02:18:42 PM
Reading not a strong point? I'm addressing the running to the media to complain approach. I don't care if it was bollock-bating or eyebrow-tweezing.
There is absolutely no reason why people should feel reluctant to tell the media if something like that happens to them on the pitch.
It's a matter for the guards in my humble opinion, but if a media campaign can help educate these animals who think this sort of assault has any place in a civilised society, never mind on a sports field, then that avenue should be exercised to the absolute maximum.
Catch yourself on would ye. I saw the video, and the actions of the subs was a disgrace, but all the other shite getting levelled at Tyrone (which I would have no love for) and the derrytresk club is a joke. Dromid and kerry are looking very unsporting indeed. Umpires linesmen and referees. Theres only so much you can get away with. Having not seen the match I would severly doubt that any of the gamesmanship or underhand tactics by derrytresk would have been to the same level as what cross do, who push it to the limit. Serious whinging.
The biggest thing going against derrytresk is that a dromid player got injured by a fan/sub. Which would obviously influence the result, and the gaa need to look at that.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2012, 02:38:15 PM
Quote from: Armamike on January 25, 2012, 02:33:32 PM
Derrytresk in most of their games to date, since the ulster semi at least have seen the opposition have a player sent off. Either all these sides have had discipline issues or the hill men are well versed in the darker arts. Has ricey been taking any of their training sessions?
It takes a fair bit of thinking to arrive at that conclusion. There has been some pile of dung talked on this thread.
Were there other sendings off in the first round of ulster or in the tyrone championship. Thats three games in a row with sendings off. ItsSeems to be a lot of aggro around them.
Up Colm O'Rourke!
Quote from: Armamike on January 25, 2012, 04:16:30 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2012, 02:38:15 PM
Quote from: Armamike on January 25, 2012, 02:33:32 PM
Derrytresk in most of their games to date, since the ulster semi at least have seen the opposition have a player sent off. Either all these sides have had discipline issues or the hill men are well versed in the darker arts. Has ricey been taking any of their training sessions?
It takes a fair bit of thinking to arrive at that conclusion. There has been some pile of dung talked on this thread.
Were there other sendings off in the first round of ulster or in the tyrone championship. Thats three games in a row with sendings off. ItsSeems to be a lot of aggro around them.
Has any of the other teams complained about the Derrytresk tactics? Where you at any of the games? Or are you just making blind assumptions?
I was at the ulster semi and final. Those 2 games had men sent off for off the ball stuff. In the ulster semi eire ogs top forward hit out after bou1 min. Spot a theme?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUmKAV0y6Yg
Thats a slow mo vid posted on youtube. Very clearly the DT guy with the clipboard can be seen kicking out at the DP number 4 who was going down on the ball with his back turned to take the sideline which got everything going.
Quote from: Armamike on January 25, 2012, 05:19:26 PM
I was at the ulster semi and final. Those 2 games had men sent off for off the ball stuff. In the ulster semi eire ogs top forward hit out after bou1 min. Spot a theme?
So why are you asking if Derrytresk are well versed in the "dark arts"? You were at the games, you tell us. Did you see any evidence of this in the games you were at? I dont understand what your point is, if you saw Derrytresk play at close quarters twice, you should be well able to make a definitive judgement on their style of play stating examples of what the players did wrong, instead of making silly innuendos about dark arts.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2012, 06:31:23 PM
Quote from: Armamike on January 25, 2012, 05:19:26 PM
I was at the ulster semi and final. Those 2 games had men sent off for off the ball stuff. In the ulster semi eire ogs top forward hit out after bou1 min. Spot a theme?
So why are you asking if Derrytresk are well versed in the "dark arts"? You were at the games, you tell us. Did you see any evidence of this in the games you were at? I dont understand what your point is, if you saw Derrytresk play at close quarters twice, you should be well able to make a definitive judgement on their style of play stating examples of what the players did wrong, instead of making silly innuendos about dark arts.
You are a bit touchy on this. When a team has players continually seny off again them its a fair question to ask.
Armamike, I'm not in the slightest bit touchy, im just a bit confused why you are asking this question about Derrytresk when you saw them at first hand. You don't need to assume anything - you saw for yourself - why don't you give specific examples of what you saw in the two games that led you to make the accusations of Derrytresk indulging in dark arts throughout this campaign?
In the 2 games i saw players react to sumthing off the ball and get lined. I dont know why, probably would have needed to be in the close vicinity to know. Its a discussion board, not a court of law so we are allowed to speculate or pose the question.
Quote from: Armamike on January 25, 2012, 08:12:07 PM
In the 2 games i saw players react to sumthing off the ball and get lined. I dont know why, probably would have needed to be in the close vicinity to know. Its a discussion board, not a court of law so we are allowed to speculate or pose the question.
how do you know if they were reacting or instigating
Quote from: Armamike on January 25, 2012, 08:12:07 PM
In the 2 games i saw players react to sumthing off the ball and get lined. I dont know why, probably would have needed to be in the close vicinity to know. Its a discussion board, not a court of law so we are allowed to speculate or pose the question.
But surely after two games you'd have seen something to back up your point. You watched Derrytresk twice and can't give one example of them using "dark arts", except that one of their players got hit. Yet you still feel the need to suggest that this is something they do on a regular basis. That just seems a bit strange to me.
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2012, 04:19:12 PM
Up Colm O'Rourke!
i'll second that...hopefully there will be a massive row on sunday in the Dr McKenna and take the pressure of derrytresk and all them Tyrone tea...f**k, hang on there...
Bring the row forward to Saturday, and we can watch the match as well. :D
'Match should have been abandoned say Dromid'.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=160939 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=160939)
Dromid upping the ante
Dromid Pearses have revealed a further press release relating to the violent clashes in the All-Ireland Junior Football Championship semi-final between the club and Derrytresk, thanking their supporters and leaving the resolution of the issue in the hands of the CCCC.
Dromid were beaten by Tyrone side Derrytresk 1-10 to 0-7 in Portlaoise, but the game was marred by fights and brawls. As a result of the violence, several Dromid players were injured and a CCCC investigation is pending.
The club has also called for violence at GAA matches to be clamped down upon as a result of the disturbing scenes the club was involved in.
The statement also states in no uncertain terms that Dromid feel the game should have been called off as a result of the melee which followed the final whistle.
THE FULL PRESS RELEASE READS:
"Cumann Peile Piarsaigh na Dromoda would like to thank all those who have supported us through the recent days and wish to advise all media outlets that this will act as our final public statement regarding the events that occurred at last Sundays All Ireland Junior Football Championship Semi-final in O'Moore Park, Portlaoise.
"It is now in the hands of the officials of Croke Park and in the hands of the C.C.C.C. We are issuing this statement in order to prevent any further confusion on the matter and hope this will clarify matters for all concerned, we also trust that a review of the footage of last weekend's game will speak for itself.
"In light of the game that occurred on Sunday last in Portlaoise, we felt that the issue of violence and public scenes of disturbance at GAA fixtures needed to be highlighted and acted upon in an official capacity.
"This incident has left us, our team, management and club as a whole feeling quite disturbed having enjoyed our run throughout this fantastic competition to date, and we are saddened that it culminated in the events of last Sunday.
"However the fact that so many people were placed in danger cannot be left unnoticed.
"Failure to highlight issues such as this to us is no longer an option, Piarsaigh na Dromoda's management and players have put their heart's and soul's into this competition and stand by the fact that we believe that last Sunday's game should have been called off immediately after the incident that occurred on the pitch, that saw many individuals enter the field and partake in the melee that occurred.
"It has taken much courage on behalf of our club to press ahead with this issue, as we feel it is a serious one. Challenges like this can be perceived as "sour grapes" but as our spokesperson has made clear from the outset, this issue has nothing to do with the final score in this game and who has won or lost but chooses instead to emphasise that the likes of last Sundays incident has no place in the GAA and that the safety of players, referee's and spectators is paramount.
"We stand very firmly by the fact that this is not an issue of Kerry versus Tyrone or anything of the kind.
"We wish to make clear that had this occurred with any other team that we would feel the same.
"We have the greatest of respect for Tyrone football and all they have achieved but incidents such as last Sundays [sic] cannot be tolerated by anyone or any team regardless of what county or province they represent.
"Finally to clarify our stance on the issue, we feel that the events of last Sunday should never have occurred and that it has highlighted issues that need to be examined from a health and safety point of view as well as the ramifications that it has on the GAA as an entity.
"However the players, management and supporters of Cumann Peile Piarsaigh na Dromoda are all united in the knowledge that the CCCC will deal with this and assign appropriate punishment to those who instigated events."
More pressure on CCCCCCCC and GAA to act. Not good form.
Quote"Cumann Peile Piarsaigh na Dromoda would like to thank all those who have supported us through the recent days and wish to advise all media outlets that this will act as our final public statement regarding the events that occurred at last Sundays All Ireland Junior Football Championship Semi-final in O'Moore Park, Portlaoise.
Here's hoping.
Kerry chairman and secretary are mad to get giving witness evidence to any investigation. Today's Indo :
Meanwhile, current Kerry chairman Patrick O'Sullivan, who attended the game, has expressed the wish that he will be called to give evidence as part of any investigation that the Central Competitions Control Committee will launch.
"I am hoping that I will be called to the inquiry that has now been launched so as I can make my views known along with the county secretary (Peter Twiss)," said O'Sullivan.
"We may be of assistance and could help clear up a few matters."
Feck me thats a big pile of sanctimonious shite.
(https://p.twimg.com/AkCDTYTCIAE7m6c.jpg:large)
Quote from: JUst retired on January 25, 2012, 09:35:54 PM
Bring the row forward to Saturday, and we can watch the match as well. :D
fair fucks...
Quote from: hardstation on January 25, 2012, 10:02:16 PM
:D
Fcuk me.
How come you are so jovial regarding this incident but when the Louth men encroached upon the pitch and assaulted Sludden you said they got whatever punishment they deserved?
in fairness, scenes like that shouldn't have a place in any sport apart from maybe Rangers v Hearts, but to say that it takes great courage to issue that pile of shite...i don't think they are doing themselves any favours at all
Is this the front page of the paper?FFS there must be little happening round Kerry.
I would like to see Derrytresk kicked out purely as a marker has to be laid down by the GAA but the victim card being played in Kerry is unbelievable. It was a great laugh when Tadgh Kennelly crashed the elbow into Nicholas Murphy after 30 seconds of the AI final in 2009 though.
Weren't they ahead at the time of the row? They'd have done some yapping if the ref had abandoned the game.
Quote from: orangeman on January 25, 2012, 09:53:35 PM
Kerry chairman and secretary are mad to get giving witness evidence to any investigation. Today's Indo :
Meanwhile, current Kerry chairman Patrick O'Sullivan, who attended the game, has expressed the wish that he will be called to give evidence as part of any investigation that the Central Competitions Control Committee will launch.
"I am hoping that I will be called to the inquiry that has now been launched so as I can make my views known along with the county secretary (Peter Twiss)," said O'Sullivan.
"We may be of assistance and could help clear up a few matters."[/
Was at the game myself, I am hoping that I too will be called to give evidence, I would be of assistance and could help clear up a few matters. If the CCCC could just send me a PM with times and dates, I'll be there! If you need anybody else.....!!!!!!
Quote from: Orangemac on January 25, 2012, 10:12:37 PM
....the victim card being played in Kerry is unbelievable. It was a great laugh when Tadgh Kennelly crashed the elbow into Nicholas Murphy after 30 seconds of the AI final in 2009 though.
Ah now come on Orangemac, a Kerry Gaelic Footballer behaving badly? You must be getting mixed up. Everybody knows that Kerry players have Halos around their heads and could never behave in such a horrible manner.
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2012, 10:00:04 PM
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The Kerryman just won't let the Hill men alone http://www.kerryman.ie/news/rampaging-thugs-burn-house-to-the-ground-2992034.html (http://www.kerryman.ie/news/rampaging-thugs-burn-house-to-the-ground-2992034.html)
QuoteRampaging thugs burn house to the ground
By DONAL NOLAN dnolan@kerryman.ie
RESIDENTS are living in fear after a house was burnt to the ground by a gang of thugs who went on
the rampage outside Ballyduff village in the early hours of Sunday morning.
Locals, including a number of elderly people who live alone, are terrified following the havoc in the
Kilmore area at the weekend, which culminated with a vacant house, owned by former Ballyduff hurling
manager Jerry Wallis, being burnt to the ground.
The late-night mayhem was the latest episode in a number of similar incidents in the area in the past
two weeks. A vacant holiday home was broken into early in the New Year and upwards of ¼10,000
worth of damage was caused as thugs smashed everything they could lay their hands on.
This weekend's appalling vandalism saw the gang damaging a hot-rod car in one home, uprooting
garden lights in another, throwing a rock through the windows of one house and stealing a fire
extinguisher from another before setting it off all over the outside walls of that home.
None of the
houses was occupied at the time. The Wallis family are this week reeling from the destruction of their
Kilmore home. "We're absolutely devastated and it's a terrible start to the New Year for us. Thankfully
there was no one in the house at the time, but it is shocking to think that something like this could
happen to us," Mr Wallis — who brought Ballyduff to hurling glory with a county title once again last
year — said.
"It's the latest in a number of incidents on our area and to be honest we're living in fear," one local
resident who didn't wish to be named said. "This crowd are out of control and it's bad enough here with
the boy racers driving down by night to the beach. There's a number of old people living here alone and
they are in real fear at the moment. We're thinking of getting an Alsatian now to protect our home it's
so bad."
Gardaí are appealing for any information in relation to the episode and have carried out house- tohouse enquiries in Ballyduff as well as conducting a forensic examination of the road on which the
vandalism occured.
"We have spoken to a number of locals in relation to these incidents and are taking the matter
extremely seriously," a spokesperson for gardaí in Listowel said.
They may man the sidelines with Alsatians so
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2012, 10:00:04 PM
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Not condoning what happened here and both sides were culpable...but surely that front page is a bit ironic considering you can clearly see a D'tresk man crumpled on the floor. I'm sure he didn't get there through the actions of a supporter/fan?
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 25, 2012, 11:48:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2012, 10:00:04 PM
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Not condoning what happened here and both sides were culpable...but surely that front page is a bit ironic considering you can clearly see a D'tresk man crumpled on the floor. I'm sure he didn't get there through the actions of a supporter/fan?
Probably a dive.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2012, 06:31:23 PM
Quote from: Armamike on January 25, 2012, 05:19:26 PM
I was at the ulster semi and final. Those 2 games had men sent off for off the ball stuff. In the ulster semi eire ogs top forward hit out after bou1 min. Spot a theme?
So why are you asking if Derrytresk are well versed in the "dark arts"? You were at the games, you tell us. Did you see any evidence of this in the games you were at? I dont understand what your point is, if you saw Derrytresk play at close quarters twice, you should be well able to make a definitive judgement on their style of play stating examples of what the players did wrong, instead of making silly innuendos about dark arts.
Derrytresk deliberately targeted the Éire Óg full forward in their Ulster match. Whatever about the Kerrymen's overreacting it would not be beyond the relms of possibility that they have embraced a certain mentality. I would not not wish to see them thrown out of the competition but instead take on a combined Carrickmore/Dromore mob in a fight after Sense some night.
In fairness from what I can see at the start of this slow-mo version (mute the sound), there wasn't a whole pile done to the number 4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUmKAV0y6Yg&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUmKAV0y6Yg&feature=player_embedded)
Looks like he took a bit of a dive to be honest.
Once he was down he stayed down.
Shag all wrong with him.
Quote from: Take Your Points on January 25, 2012, 06:50:28 PM
The Indo's Infamous Pitch Brawls (http://www.independent.ie/sport/pictures-infamous-pitch-brawls-2998567.html?ino=1)
A bit tough on Tyrone.
Jaysus, I could name 10 better fights in Cavan club football over the years and im only talking about u12's
Quote from: orangeman on January 25, 2012, 09:45:41 PM
"Cumann Peile Piarsaigh na Dromoda would like to thank all those who have supported us through the recent days
Quote from: orangeman on January 25, 2012, 09:45:41 PM
"we also trust that a review of the footage of last weekend's game will speak for itself."
Quote from: orangeman on January 25, 2012, 09:45:41 PM
"In light of the game that occurred on Sunday last in Portlaoise, we felt that the issue of violence and public scenes of disturbance at GAA fixtures needed to be highlighted and acted upon in an official capacity."
Quote from: orangeman on January 25, 2012, 09:45:41 PM
"This incident has left us, our team, management and club as a whole feeling quite disturbed..."
Quote from: orangeman on January 25, 2012, 09:45:41 PM
"Failure to highlight issues such as this to us is no longer an option, Piarsaigh na Dromoda's management and players have put their heart's and soul's into this competition..."
Quote from: orangeman on January 25, 2012, 09:45:41 PM
"It has taken much courage on behalf of our club to press ahead with this issue, as we feel it is a serious one...
Quote from: orangeman on January 25, 2012, 09:45:41 PM
"We stand very firmly by the fact that this is not an issue of Kerry versus Tyrone or anything of the kind....but incidents such as last Sundays [sic] cannot be tolerated by anyone or any team regardless of what county or province they represent."
Quote from: orangeman on January 25, 2012, 09:45:41 PM
"However the players, management and supporters of Cumann Peile Piarsaigh na Dromoda are all united in the knowledge that the CCCC will deal with this and assign appropriate punishment to those who instigated events."
Jaysus when you break it all down, that statement is the most sanctimonious piece of trash imaginable. Methinks they could get sponsored by the makers of this stuff next year:
(http://ghostline.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/pkfz-whitewash-070926.jpg)
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2012, 11:57:11 PM
In fairness from what I can see at the start of this slow-mo version (mute the sound), there wasn't a whole pile done to the number 4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUmKAV0y6Yg&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUmKAV0y6Yg&feature=player_embedded)
Looks like he took a bit of a dive to be honest.
Once he was down he stayed down.
Shag all wrong with him.
Keep an eye on the Dromid No.5 throughout. His involvement escalated something that may have turned out to be nothing.
Just spotted that his own man (18) caught him with his hip at 1:29 as he was wrestling with Dromids no. 5.
So in fairness to him he had some excuse for staying down.
The original incident was definitely a dive though.
Seen this on Facebook, surprised it wasn't on here.
Quote from Kerry manager Jack O'Connor in his book; 'Keys to the Kingdom' when Billy Morgan complained about the methods Kerry used to beat Cork;
Jack said, "No grace. It's over Billy. Grow up and take your beating."
Jack's club? Dromid Pearses.
You might want to have a word with your committee Jacko?
OK, I've waited 48 hours for someone else to make this comment
There's evidence that the Derrytresk players could not have grabbed the Dromid players by the balls as it's quite clear they have none.
Where's me coat...
I see that Dr Crokes are getting in on the act now :
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0126/1224310757213.html
"but it also emerged yesterday Kerry senior club Dr Crokes have expressed some concerns about their All-Ireland senior club semi-final against Armagh champions Crossmaglen, which is set for Portlaoise on Saturday, February 18th.
They have looked for some assurances that the venue will have adequate stewarding and Garda presence, and are also looking to block book a section of the stand for their supporters only"
That's quite pathetic out of Crokes.
Cross will love that.
Oh holy fck! There is gonna be war now...
'No blacks or nordies need apply'
Who said anything about black people?
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2012, 09:23:37 AM
Who said anything about black people?
me...we shall overcome...we shall overcome...
It's going viral!
From The Guardian. See no 5
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jan/26/classic-youtube-the-best-sport-clips
Quote from: AQMP on January 26, 2012, 09:04:34 AM
OK, I've waited 48 hours for someone else to make this comment
There's evidence that the Derrytresk players could not have grabbed the Dromid players by the balls as it's quite clear they have none.
Where's me coat...
Add Crokes to the list...shameful. Crossmaglen isn't even in Tyrone!
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 26, 2012, 09:20:52 AM
Cross will love that.
dr crokes have enough to worry about on the field without giving Cross this kind of motivation.
I honestly hope the Cross boys play the football they are capable of and shut these whinging kerry feckers up.
Bad, bad mistake by Crokes to motivate Cross in this way. I had suspicions, based on what I had heard from GAA people up that country that there was a serious risk of complacency on Cross' part going into this game, and that Crokes would be well placed to catch them on the hop if this complacency affected the team. By insulting Cross and their supporters, Crokes have made certain that the real Cross team will line up on the 18th and they will whip the Kerrymen.
A new GAA guideline will be sent around the country,
'sensible precautions to take before engaging in the act of shaking hands with a Tyrone player'
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qJnenyRW8wg/TkkjeE2f0FI/AAAAAAAAAgg/41D3RZqfiow/s320/menem+vota.jpg)
More proof, as if it were needed, that Kerry is overstocked with sanctimonious pricks.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on January 26, 2012, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 26, 2012, 09:20:52 AM
Cross will love that.
dr crokes have enough to worry about on the field without giving Cross this kind of motivation.
I honestly hope the Cross boys play the football they are capable of and shut these whinging kerry feckers up.
+1 Come on the Rangers!!
Maybe the Kerry fans should be segregated caged at the Cross match. Páidi Ó'Sé might have been right with the whole "animals" thing.
http://www.kerryman.ie/news/gaa-to-probe-attack-on-referee-567497.html (http://www.kerryman.ie/news/gaa-to-probe-attack-on-referee-567497.html)
GAA to probe attack on referee
A DARK cloud of violence is hovering over the GAA after loutish Skellig Rangers fans subjected a South Kerry referee to a terrifying ordeal at the weekend. A mob of incensed fans raced onto the pitch following the South Kerry minor championship final which saw Waterville defeat Skellig Rangers by one point.Over 20 fans attacked match referee Michael Curran of Dromid PearsesBy Sinead Kelleher....
....The referee was put through what he described as a 'frightening' ordeal which included being 'kung f*' kicked in the stomach.
....A spokesperson for the South Kerry Board admitted that incidents such as this were becoming more common and that the element of sport is gone is going out of championship matches....
...This is the second incident involving violence against a referee in a week. The referee was also attacked following the East Kerry minor championship semi-final in which Spa defeated Dr Crokes, by a single point. This incident is also being investigated by the East Kerry Board."..
Quote from: orangeman on January 25, 2012, 09:45:41 PM
Dromid upping the ante
Dromid Pearses have revealed a further press release relating to the violent clashes in the All-Ireland Junior Football Championship semi-final between the club and Derrytresk, thanking their supporters and leaving the resolution of the issue in the hands of the CCCC.
Dromid were beaten by Tyrone side Derrytresk 1-10 to 0-7 in Portlaoise, but the game was marred by fights and brawls. As a result of the violence, several Dromid players were injured and a CCCC investigation is pending.
The club has also called for violence at GAA matches to be clamped down upon as a result of the disturbing scenes the club was involved in.
The statement also states in no uncertain terms that Dromid feel the game should have been called off as a result of the melee which followed the final whistle.
THE FULL PRESS RELEASE READS:
"Cumann Peile Piarsaigh na Dromoda would like to thank all those who have supported us through the recent days and wish to advise all media outlets that this will act as our final public statement regarding the events that occurred at last Sundays All Ireland Junior Football Championship Semi-final in O'Moore Park, Portlaoise.
"It is now in the hands of the officials of Croke Park and in the hands of the C.C.C.C. We are issuing this statement in order to prevent any further confusion on the matter and hope this will clarify matters for all concerned, we also trust that a review of the footage of last weekend's game will speak for itself.
"In light of the game that occurred on Sunday last in Portlaoise, we felt that the issue of violence and public scenes of disturbance at GAA fixtures needed to be highlighted and acted upon in an official capacity.
"This incident has left us, our team, management and club as a whole feeling quite disturbed having enjoyed our run throughout this fantastic competition to date, and we are saddened that it culminated in the events of last Sunday.
"However the fact that so many people were placed in danger cannot be left unnoticed.
"Failure to highlight issues such as this to us is no longer an option, Piarsaigh na Dromoda's management and players have put their heart's and soul's into this competition and stand by the fact that we believe that last Sunday's game should have been called off immediately after the incident that occurred on the pitch, that saw many individuals enter the field and partake in the melee that occurred.
"It has taken much courage on behalf of our club to press ahead with this issue, as we feel it is a serious one. Challenges like this can be perceived as "sour grapes" but as our spokesperson has made clear from the outset, this issue has nothing to do with the final score in this game and who has won or lost but chooses instead to emphasise that the likes of last Sundays incident has no place in the GAA and that the safety of players, referee's and spectators is paramount.
"We stand very firmly by the fact that this is not an issue of Kerry versus Tyrone or anything of the kind.
"We wish to make clear that had this occurred with any other team that we would feel the same.
"We have the greatest of respect for Tyrone football and all they have achieved but incidents such as last Sundays [sic] cannot be tolerated by anyone or any team regardless of what county or province they represent.
"Finally to clarify our stance on the issue, we feel that the events of last Sunday should never have occurred and that it has highlighted issues that need to be examined from a health and safety point of view as well as the ramifications that it has on the GAA as an entity.
"However the players, management and supporters of Cumann Peile Piarsaigh na Dromoda are all united in the knowledge that the CCCC will deal with this and assign appropriate punishment to those who instigated events."
This is outrageous. Apostrophe abuse is a cancer in the GAA. Throw them out!
Quote from: Armamike on January 25, 2012, 05:19:26 PM
I was at the ulster semi and final. Those 2 games had men sent off for off the ball stuff. In the ulster semi eire ogs top forward hit out after bou1 min. Spot a theme?
I was at that game as well and the incident happened directly in front of the umpire who called the ref. I was also at the Ulster final, I didn't think the sending of in that game was justified. The goodthing about the athletic grounds though is that the subs can't easily access the pitch. Having attended all Cross's Ulster Championship matches i have to say that the support all club teams received was very passionate. Sitting amongst the Derrytresk people though at the final I did sense a certain tension that could in my opinion have spilled over in the wrong circumstances. Having said that the Monaghan guys were very aggrieved at the end and Gregory Walshe was roundly booed. Although sending of apart I thought he did well.
Quote from: jeepers on January 25, 2012, 06:12:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUmKAV0y6Yg
Thats a slow mo vid posted on youtube. Very clearly the DT guy with the clipboard can be seen kicking out at the DP number 4 who was going down on the ball with his back turned to take the sideline which got everything going.
Having watch this slomo if I was Dromid Pearces I would shut up, it would appear that they instigated the row and threw most of the early punches.
Quote from: Orangemac on January 25, 2012, 10:12:37 PM
Is this the front page of the paper?FFS there must be little happening round Kerry.
I would like to see Derrytresk kicked out purely as a marker has to be laid down by the GAA but the victim card being played in Kerry is unbelievable. It was a great laugh when Tadgh Kennelly crashed the elbow into Nicholas Murphy after 30 seconds of the AI final in 2009 though.
Watch that slomo video, there is nothing in this to warrant DT being expelled from the competition, bans possibly for the subs. I think Dromid have a lot of questions to answer.
Quote from: hardstation on January 26, 2012, 10:50:02 AM
Do the Currans of Dromid Pearses bring it on themselves, as Armamike might ask? ::)
No relation whatsoever, sorry to dissapoint
Quote from: ONeill on January 26, 2012, 12:09:28 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2012, 11:57:11 PM
In fairness from what I can see at the start of this slow-mo version (mute the sound), there wasn't a whole pile done to the number 4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUmKAV0y6Yg&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUmKAV0y6Yg&feature=player_embedded)
Looks like he took a bit of a dive to be honest.
Once he was down he stayed down.
Shag all wrong with him.
Keep an eye on the Dromid No.5 throughout. His involvement escalated something that may have turned out to be nothing.
Ah will you stop, he clatters into clipboard man at 0:07 and 2 seconds later the subs were over the hoardings. Jaysus if they could react that fast they'd be starting.
I think Crokes are dead right! If ya met anyone from Cross you would take all available precautions! Christ I remember the night myself and Billys Boots met Broken Crossbar! I never saw two eyes closer together than I saw on BC...and that was through the Balaclava!! Menacing, smelly, no modesty and no sense of humour either! The amount of times he told that Cross would never have won anything without him was unbelieveable!! The good people of Belgooly obviously saw the light and told him to clear off again!! Jaysus when I think of that night and all the Paddy irishman jokes he was coming out with!!.....Shiver down my backbone when I think about it!! :D
Cross PRO on newstalk now!!
Quote from: cicfada on January 26, 2012, 12:35:54 PM
Cross PRO on newstalk now!!
O'Moore park will be full at this rate of going - all ticket match ??
GAA are loving it.
Full of cops segregating the violent fans you mean!
I might go myself now. I;ll bring a hurl, no Crokes or Cross man will know what it is.
Quote from: cicfada on January 26, 2012, 12:44:10 PM
Full of cops segregating the violent fans you mean!
This calls for a joint Garda / PSNI operation.
Cross fans will be forced to have a police escort into the ground and made to walk in chain gangs.
After the match the Kerry fans will be let out of the ground first and the Cross fans will have to stay until Tuesday afternoon.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2012, 12:44:34 PM
I might go myself now. I;ll bring a hurl, no Crokes or Cross man will know what it is.
I think you might find that some of the Cross boys might just know what a hurl is, even if they haven't used them to play hurling. ;)
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 26, 2012, 12:24:32 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 26, 2012, 12:09:28 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2012, 11:57:11 PM
In fairness from what I can see at the start of this slow-mo version (mute the sound), there wasn't a whole pile done to the number 4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUmKAV0y6Yg&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUmKAV0y6Yg&feature=player_embedded)
Looks like he took a bit of a dive to be honest.
Once he was down he stayed down.
Shag all wrong with him.
Keep an eye on the Dromid No.5 throughout. His involvement escalated something that may have turned out to be nothing.
Ah will you stop, he clatters into clipboard man at 0:07 and 2 seconds later the subs were over the hoardings. Jaysus if they could react that fast they'd be starting.
Pray tell, what's the first thing the no.5 does?
I already posted up pictures of that. Pushed Mentor 1, pushed mentor 2, then grabbed number 18 and dragged him out of the bunch. All that is after Mentor number two sparked up with Dromid #4.
Identity of handbag assailant of Declan O'Sullivan revealed:
Derrytresk have issued a statement confirming that the person who assaulted Declan O'Sullivan was not a club member. Club PRO said "The spectator who hit Declan O'Sullivan with their handbag was in fact a neutral. We have identified him as a Mr D. Og Cusack of Cloyne, Co Cork."
:P
I don't get it.
When adults set such a bad example is it any wonder that kids resort to violence. God help Prince Andrew :)
http://slemishcollege.org.uk/ (http://slemishcollege.org.uk/)
In fairness to Kerry people in general, they just don't know how to deal with Tyrone men (and women too for that matter).
We should start running courses for them up here in Meath. :P
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2012, 01:01:51 PM
I already posted up pictures of that. Pushed Mentor 1, pushed mentor 2, then grabbed number 18 and dragged him out of the bunch. All that is after Mentor number two sparked up with Dromid #4.
The Dromid no5's initial push on the mentor (as some speed) made the said mentor clatter into a group of players trying to restrain the Dromid No4 who was in the process of throwing the ball at the Derrytresk clipboard lad. It inflamed the situation.
He then makes a go for the clipboard man. After that, he bulled into the melee as you say and pulls out the no.18 of Derrytresk. Still not done he swings (1:45 on the slo-mo clip) at someone (sub or fan I don't know).
He was a feckin lunatic.
his first punch thrown, that I can see, was after he had himself been punched. Up to then it was pushing, shoving and dragging lads out. I do agree he arrived in a some speed though. Not bad for a 36 year old :)
As for him being a lunatic, I can neither confirm nor deny :D
Quote from: AQMP on January 26, 2012, 01:02:27 PM
Identity of handbag assailant of Declan O'Sullivan revealed:
Derrytresk have issued a statement confirming that the person who assaulted Declan O'Sullivan was not a club member. Club PRO said "The spectator who hit Declan O'Sullivan with their handbag was in fact a neutral. We have identified him as a Mr D. Og Cusack of Cloyne, Co Cork."
:P
You're a riot..... ::)
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
his first punch thrown, that I can see, was after he had himself been punched. Up to then it was pushing, shoving and dragging lads out. I do agree he arrived in a some speed though. Not bad for a 36 year old :)
As for him being a lunatic, I can neither confirm nor deny :D
Where is he punched?
Quote from: hardstation on January 26, 2012, 01:20:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 26, 2012, 01:17:15 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2012, 01:01:51 PM
I already posted up pictures of that. Pushed Mentor 1, pushed mentor 2, then grabbed number 18 and dragged him out of the bunch. All that is after Mentor number two sparked up with Dromid #4.
The Dromid no5's initial push on the mentor (as some speed) made the said mentor clatter into a group of players trying to restrain the Dromid No4 who was in the process of throwing the ball at the Derrytresk clipboard lad. It inflamed the situation.
He then makes a go for the clipboard man. After that, he bulled into the melee as you say and pulls out the no.18 of Derrytresk. Still not done he swings (1:45 on the slo-mo clip) at someone (sub or fan I don't know).
He was a feckin lunatic.
He's the man that was whinging that his wife and kids saw him getting his balls rolled, wasn't he?
Nope. He is not. He's never opened his mouth to anyone since the episode. But he is the man that was kicked and rucked on the ground during the row, if that's what you mean.
Quote from: ONeill on January 26, 2012, 01:25:07 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
his first punch thrown, that I can see, was after he had himself been punched. Up to then it was pushing, shoving and dragging lads out. I do agree he arrived in a some speed though. Not bad for a 36 year old :)
As for him being a lunatic, I can neither confirm nor deny :D
Where is he punched?
He didn't get a fractured cheekbone from a kiss.
and punched right here, 1.35 on the slo mo video.
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c358/AZOffaly/row9.jpg)
I can't really see a punch there but accept your eyes are better than mine.
Put it like this. That fist under #5s jaw belongs to someone else :D
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2012, 01:42:39 PM
Put it like this. That fist under #5s jaw belongs to someone else :D
The clearest fist I can make out there is on the end of #5's right arm!
Ah well. You can lead a horse to water...
Looking at the slo-mo I think its fair to say that 4 and 5 from Dromid were amongst the chief instigators of the melee. Every Derrytresk man who jumped the fence for whatever reason should have no business playing in Croke Park in the All Ireland final. 3 months suspension at least. The fella in the hood who decks the Dromid number 9 should be getting at least a year's suspension and could easily be facing criminal charges. Number 11 from Derrytresk could also be in serious trouble, he appears to bend down from a standing position to at least attempt to strike the Dromid number 5 as the Kerry man lies on the floor.
I must say I disagree with the suggestion that Derrytresk should be thrown out of the competition. These things have happened in my own club and I've always been of the view that punishing those who have no part in the violence is very inequitable. And yes, there is also often an element of closing ranks within a club. We have independent evidence here and it should be used to punish the perpetrators.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 26, 2012, 02:21:00 PM
Looking at the slo-mo I think its fair to say that 4 and 5 from Dromid were amongst the chief instigators of the melee. Every Derrytresk man who jumped the fence for whatever reason should have no business playing in Croke Park in the All Ireland final. 3 months suspension at least. The fella in the hood who decks the Dromid number 9 should be getting at least a year's suspension and could easily be facing criminal charges. Number 11 from Derrytresk could also be in serious trouble, he appears to bend down from a standing position to at least attempt to strike the Dromid number 5 as the Kerry man lies on the floor.
I must say I disagree with the suggestion that Derrytresk should be thrown out of the competition. These things have happened in my own club and I've always been of the view that punishing those who have no part in the violence is very inequitable. And yes, there is also often an element of closing ranks within a club. We have independent evidence here and it should be used to punish the perpetrators.
Bit of an understatement there, Culluhanna aren't shy!! :D
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 26, 2012, 02:21:00 PM
Looking at the slo-mo I think its fair to say that 4 and 5 from Dromid were amongst the chief instigators of the melee. Every Derrytresk man who jumped the fence for whatever reason should have no business playing in Croke Park in the All Ireland final. 3 months suspension at least. The fella in the hood who decks the Dromid number 9 should be getting at least a year's suspension and could easily be facing criminal charges. Number 11 from Derrytresk could also be in serious trouble, he appears to bend down from a standing position to at least attempt to strike the Dromid number 5 as the Kerry man lies on the floor.
I must say I disagree with the suggestion that Derrytresk should be thrown out of the competition. These things have happened in my own club and I've always been of the view that punishing those who have no part in the violence is very inequitable. And yes, there is also often an element of closing ranks within a club. We have independent evidence here and it should be used to punish the perpetrators.
+1
Subs who come on the pitch deserve to have the book thrown at them. That in itself is punishment for a team preparing for an AI final.
Apart from the subs coming on, there's not that much happening outside of the few fists thrown by players on both sides.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 26, 2012, 02:21:00 PM
Looking at the slo-mo I think its fair to say that 4 and 5 from Dromid were amongst the chief instigators of the melee. Every Derrytresk man who jumped the fence for whatever reason should have no business playing in Croke Park in the All Ireland final. 3 months suspension at least. The fella in the hood who decks the Dromid number 9 should be getting at least a year's suspension and could easily be facing criminal charges. Number 11 from Derrytresk could also be in serious trouble, he appears to bend down from a standing position to at least attempt to strike the Dromid number 5 as the Kerry man lies on the floor.
I must say I disagree with the suggestion that Derrytresk should be thrown out of the competition. These things have happened in my own club and I've always been of the view that punishing those who have no part in the violence is very inequitable. And yes, there is also often an element of closing ranks within a club. We have independent evidence here and it should be used to punish the perpetrators.
28 pages in we get the best sentence in the thread.
Quote from: ONeill on January 26, 2012, 01:39:23 PM
I can't really see a punch there but accept your eyes are better than mine.
It is a clear punch on the basis if that photo there.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 26, 2012, 02:21:00 PM
Looking at the slo-mo I think its fair to say that 4 and 5 from Dromid were amongst the chief instigators of the melee. Every Derrytresk man who jumped the fence for whatever reason should have no business playing in Croke Park in the All Ireland final. 3 months suspension at least. The fella in the hood who decks the Dromid number 9 should be getting at least a year's suspension and could easily be facing criminal charges. Number 11 from Derrytresk could also be in serious trouble, he appears to bend down from a standing position to at least attempt to strike the Dromid number 5 as the Kerry man lies on the floor.
I must say I disagree with the suggestion that Derrytresk should be thrown out of the competition. These things have happened in my own club and I've always been of the view that punishing those who have no part in the violence is very inequitable. And yes, there is also often an element of closing ranks within a club. We have independent evidence here and it should be used to punish the perpetrators.
yea and he shit himself after it n ran of
Quote from: ONeill on January 26, 2012, 12:58:42 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 26, 2012, 12:24:32 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 26, 2012, 12:09:28 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2012, 11:57:11 PM
In fairness from what I can see at the start of this slow-mo version (mute the sound), there wasn't a whole pile done to the number 4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUmKAV0y6Yg&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUmKAV0y6Yg&feature=player_embedded)
Looks like he took a bit of a dive to be honest.
Once he was down he stayed down.
Shag all wrong with him.
Keep an eye on the Dromid No.5 throughout. His involvement escalated something that may have turned out to be nothing.
Ah will you stop, he clatters into clipboard man at 0:07 and 2 seconds later the subs were over the hoardings. Jaysus if they could react that fast they'd be starting.
Pray tell, what's the first thing the no.5 does?
The video there explains it better than I can but suffice to say it's just pushing and shoving. By the way, I'd do the exact same thing myself if a mentor was swinging at one of my teammates and there was another couple on the way in to do God knows what.
Quote from: ONeill on January 26, 2012, 01:17:15 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2012, 01:01:51 PM
I already posted up pictures of that. Pushed Mentor 1, pushed mentor 2, then grabbed number 18 and dragged him out of the bunch. All that is after Mentor number two sparked up with Dromid #4.
The Dromid no5's initial push on the mentor (as some speed) made the said mentor clatter into a group of players trying to restrain the Dromid No4 who was in the process of throwing the ball at the Derrytresk clipboard lad. It inflamed the situation.
He then makes a go for the clipboard man. After that, he bulled into the melee as you say and pulls out the no.18 of Derrytresk. Still not done he swings (1:45 on the slo-mo clip) at someone (sub or fan I don't know).
He was a feckin lunatic.
Looking at it again, bizarrely, I don't think you can blame him for the initial push. The mentor (with the first aid bag?) goes to leave the man on the ground and intervene in the pushing. He then gets pushed by the no. 5 who's coming in full tilt unable to adjust his line of attack. He then pushes clipboard man and 2 seconds later the subs are over the hoarding. My point is that the subs were well on their way before no. 5 entered proceedings and that was the escalation, not the no. 5.
That mentor with the first aid bag wasn't the physio/doctor anyway I take it as in all the melees I've witnessed I've never seen any involved in the pushing and shoving. Which begs the question, why were there so many mentors on the sideline?
Lads, have just skimmed the thread, but one thing seems to have been missed in the slo-mo video. Some absolute oytstanding jumping skills by some of the Derrytresk subs, few of them should consider the high jump instead of the sly thump.
Does anyone else think theres a few Dromid and Kerry folk who could be charged with bringing the game into disrepute including those county guys who publicly asked to be at the CCCC meeting. I have never witnessed such an intense and potentially slanderous witchhunt propogated by a losing all ireland semi finalist and apparently their county sources. The ignorance of their own role in the videoed scrap is only dwarfed by their complete lack of dignity in defeat and their desire for revenge off the field. There is undoubtedly action to be taken, but through the proper circles and investigations. We are all part of the GAA and we cant leap outside the proper way of conducting our business when it suits us. The campaign could have long term implications for the GAA spirit of respect as we know it. I applaud the Tyrone county Board for their dignity in the face of this onslaught,but as the ultimate bearer of responsibility for Tyrone football and their club Derrytresk, how long can they possibly hold out against such provocation. As far as Im concerned when official Kerry board men came out with preemptive commentry, the gloves come off. If anythin
Pat Darcy, ex chair, did have a good go at bringing a bit of balance to the argument to be fair.
The fat bloke with the clipboard started it, if the DT subs had of stayed out of it the No.4 would probably have been sent off.
The DT No.11 is a complete gypo/coward punching a man on the ground and then getting out of it as fast as he could.
People can say what they want or put what ever spin they like on it, the facts stay the same, DT subs and at least 1 supporter(what a d**khead) came onto the pitch to knock the sh1t out of the Kerry lads and if the Kerry team lost 2 of their best players due to being assaulted by subs/supporters it had a fairly big impact on the game.
The DT subs/supporter let their team down a bagfull and they could all end up regretting it.
If my own club where playing in an all ireland semi final and some knob of a supporter jumped on to the pitch to get involved in a tussle between players which jeopardised our taking part in the All Ireland final he would get bate everytime he showed his face around home.
Quote from: rrhf on January 26, 2012, 03:23:44 PM
Does anyone else think theres a few Dromid and Kerry folk who could be charged with bringing the game into disrepute including those county guys who publicly asked to be at the CCCC meeting. I have never witnessed such an intense and potentially slanderous witchhunt propogated by a losing all ireland semi finalist and apparently their county sources. The ignorance of their own role in the videoed scrap is only dwarfed by their complete lack of dignity in defeat and their desire for revenge off the field. There is undoubtedly action to be taken, but through the proper circles and investigations. We are all part of the GAA and we cant leap outside the proper way of conducting our business when it suits us. The campaign could have long term implications for the GAA spirit of respect as we know it. I applaud the Tyrone county Board for their dignity in the face of this onslaught,but as the ultimate bearer of responsibility for Tyrone football and their club Derrytresk, how long can they possibly hold out against such provocation. As far as Im concerned when official Kerry board men came out with preemptive commentry, the gloves come off. If anythin
Oh pass me a bucket!!
Quote from: rrhf on January 26, 2012, 03:23:44 PM
Does anyone else think theres a few Dromid and Kerry folk who could be charged with bringing the game into disrepute including those county guys who publicly asked to be at the CCCC meeting. I have never witnessed such an intense and potentially slanderous witchhunt propogated by a losing all ireland semi finalist and apparently their county sources. The ignorance of their own role in the videoed scrap is only dwarfed by their complete lack of dignity in defeat and their desire for revenge off the field. There is undoubtedly action to be taken, but through the proper circles and investigations. We are all part of the GAA and we cant leap outside the proper way of conducting our business when it suits us. The campaign could have long term implications for the GAA spirit of respect as we know it. I applaud the Tyrone county Board for their dignity in the face of this onslaught,but as the ultimate bearer of responsibility for Tyrone football and their club Derrytresk, how long can they possibly hold out against such provocation. As far as Im concerned when official Kerry board men came out with preemptive commentry, the gloves come off. If anythin
+1
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 26, 2012, 03:44:34 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 26, 2012, 03:23:44 PM
Does anyone else think theres a few Dromid and Kerry folk who could be charged with bringing the game into disrepute including those county guys who publicly asked to be at the CCCC meeting. I have never witnessed such an intense and potentially slanderous witchhunt propogated by a losing all ireland semi finalist and apparently their county sources. The ignorance of their own role in the videoed scrap is only dwarfed by their complete lack of dignity in defeat and their desire for revenge off the field. There is undoubtedly action to be taken, but through the proper circles and investigations. We are all part of the GAA and we cant leap outside the proper way of conducting our business when it suits us. The campaign could have long term implications for the GAA spirit of respect as we know it. I applaud the Tyrone county Board for their dignity in the face of this onslaught,but as the ultimate bearer of responsibility for Tyrone football and their club Derrytresk, how long can they possibly hold out against such provocation. As far as Im concerned when official Kerry board men came out with preemptive commentry, the gloves come off. If anythin
+1
Wise up
The anti GAA BBC even have this now...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/16747663.stm
Well played Crokes ya crowd of stupid b*stards
Quote from: sheamy on January 26, 2012, 04:05:30 PM
The anti GAA BBC even have this now...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/16747663.stm
Well played Crokes ya crowd of stupid b*stards
A lot easier to blame everyone else isn't it?
Quote from: Tubberman on January 26, 2012, 04:09:43 PM
Quote from: sheamy on January 26, 2012, 04:05:30 PM
The anti GAA BBC even have this now...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/16747663.stm
Well played Crokes ya crowd of stupid b*stards
A lot easier to blame everyone else isn't it?
Possibly is. Ask Dromid Pearses, they seem to be experts in that department.
Quote from: Tubberman on January 26, 2012, 04:09:43 PM
Quote from: sheamy on January 26, 2012, 04:05:30 PM
The anti GAA BBC even have this now...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/16747663.stm
Well played Crokes ya crowd of stupid b*stards
A lot easier to blame everyone else isn't it?
what's your point?
My point is they have brought the issue of fan segregation, something of which we in the GAA are very very proud of never having to have and never will have, into the media. Totally ill judged and something they themselves are now furiously back tracking on. I'm afraid in the media age we live in, it's too late...
Media outlets love this kinda thing and the likes of the BBC especially thrive on it at every opportunity. They haven't tried to communicate the 'clarification' issued by Crokes, now have they? Dr Crokes have done the GAA a massive disservice in this case and should be ashamed of themselves.
Quote from: sheamy on January 26, 2012, 04:12:46 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 26, 2012, 04:09:43 PM
Quote from: sheamy on January 26, 2012, 04:05:30 PM
The anti GAA BBC even have this now...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/16747663.stm
Well played Crokes ya crowd of stupid b*stards
A lot easier to blame everyone else isn't it?
what's your point? My point is they have brought the issue of fan segregation, something of which we in the GAA are very very proud of never having to have and never will have, into the media. Totally ill judged and something they themselves are now furiously back tracking on. I'm afraid in the media age we live in, it's too late...
Media outlets love this kinda thing and the likes of the BBC especially thrive on it at every opportunity. Now they haven't tried to communicate the 'clarification' issued by Crokes, now have they?
When you have supporters fighting in the stands
(http://www.ulsterherald.com/files/2011/11/Carrickmore-v-Dromore-trouble.jpg)
and people seated in the stands running onto the pitch to join in a brawl
(http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/2012/0124/1224310671021_1.jpg?ts=1327431995)
it's not surprising when people start to question the crowd control and stewarding arrangements.
You can't just blame the people who question it in the media, you start with the people who caused the problem.
Having said that, I think it was a bad idea for Dr Crokes to raise it now. It will only enflame things ahead of their game.
The subs were so quick in becuase they were initially on their feet from the first incident, which was clearly the start of the whole thing - the dromid lad clattering into the derrytresk boy (and possibly punching him in the midriff) just before the camera pans away at the very start of the vid
Quote from: sheamy on January 26, 2012, 04:12:46 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 26, 2012, 04:09:43 PM
Quote from: sheamy on January 26, 2012, 04:05:30 PM
The anti GAA BBC even have this now...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/16747663.stm
Well played Crokes ya crowd of stupid b*stards
A lot easier to blame everyone else isn't it?
what's your point?
My point is they have brought the issue of fan segregation, something of which we in the GAA are very very proud of never having to have and never will have, into the media. Totally ill judged and something they themselves are now furiously back tracking on. I'm afraid in the media age we live in, it's too late...
Media outlets love this kinda thing and the likes of the BBC especially thrive on it at every opportunity. They haven't tried to communicate the 'clarification' issued by Crokes, now have they? Dr Crokes have done the GAA a massive disservice in this case and should be ashamed of themselves.
+1 They have actually brought the Association into disrepute.
Quote from: Keepthefaith93 on January 26, 2012, 03:39:46 PM
The DT No.11 is a complete gypo/coward punching a man on the ground and then getting out of it as fast as he could.
Still not the worst act, which surely belongs to the Derrytresk no. 15 who runs over to kick the Dromid no. 9 who's on the ground concussed.
A lot of people have said how the melee is no worse than melees that regularly occur at GAA and other sports grounds up and down the country, well I've seen a lot of melees in my time but I have to say none ever involved kicking a player who was already on the ground concussed. About as cowardly an act as you can get and hopefully the punishment will fit the crime.
https://christyriordanvideos.sharefile.com/?cmd=d&id=4a50cd8faa124762
how did you come by that?
dromid player passed this link to a friend of mine
Christy mightn't be too happy. He was probably hoping to sell it as an X-Rated video :)
:D
Quote from: sheamy on January 26, 2012, 04:12:46 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 26, 2012, 04:09:43 PM
Quote from: sheamy on January 26, 2012, 04:05:30 PM
The anti GAA BBC even have this now...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/16747663.stm
Well played Crokes ya crowd of stupid b*stards
A lot easier to blame everyone else isn't it?
what's your point?
My point is they have brought the issue of fan segregation, something of which we in the GAA are very very proud of never having to have and never will have, into the media. Totally ill judged and something they themselves are now furiously back tracking on. I'm afraid in the media age we live in, it's too late...
Media outlets love this kinda thing and the likes of the BBC especially thrive on it at every opportunity. They haven't tried to communicate the 'clarification' issued by Crokes, now have they? Dr Crokes have done the GAA a massive disservice in this case and should be ashamed of themselves.
+1. Dr crokes have alot to answer for here. Total disgrace
Quote from: Tubberman on January 26, 2012, 04:27:37 PM
it's not surprising when people start to question the crowd control and stewarding arrangements.
You can't just blame the people who question it in the media, you start with the people who caused the problem.
Yeah but these people are seemingly everywhere
http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/mayo-board-to-investigate-referee-row-296891.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/mayo-board-to-investigate-referee-row-296891.html)
It's just the row clip.
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 26, 2012, 05:14:48 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 26, 2012, 04:27:37 PM
it's not surprising when people start to question the crowd control and stewarding arrangements.
You can't just blame the people who question it in the media, you start with the people who caused the problem.
Yeah but these people are seemingly everywhere
http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/mayo-board-to-investigate-referee-row-296891.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/mayo-board-to-investigate-referee-row-296891.html)
FFS it's not a personal swipe at everyone in Ulster you clown.
It's about facing up and admitting wrong-doing and not always trying to point the finger elsewhere.
And you give out to MW, EvilGenius etc about 'whataboutery' ::)
I didn't think the GAA board needed another Dromid-Derrytresk thread but boy was I wrong. ::)
:D
We need to get rid of all these lads with clipboards, stopwatches and calculators off the sideline.
2003 saw Ó Sé's tenure as manager dogged by controversy. In January of that year he gave a controversial interview to the Irish Independent in which he described the Kerry supporters as 'the roughest type of f**king animals you could ever deal with.'[17] Ó Sé was forced to issue an embarrassing apology, however, he still guided his team to a seventh Munster title in eight years. Kerry, however, were later trounced by eventual champions Tyrone in the All-Ireland semi-final. Ó Sé later described the result as a "disastrous defeat". Ó Sé was subsequently fired as manager
wikipedia
If you pause the video of the row at 6 seconds in there are 5 members of Derrytresks backroom team (6 including the physio) on the sideline before it all kicks off.
Who are all these lads?
There is a single member of Dromids backroom team.
The reason the subs jumped in is because the guy with the clipboard became involved.
He shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 26, 2012, 06:19:08 PM
If you pause the video of the row at 6 seconds in there are 5 members of Derrytresks backroom team (6 including the physio) on the sideline before it all kicks off.
Who are all these lads?
There is a single member of Dromids backroom team.
The reason the subs jumped in is because the guy with the clipboard became involved.
He shouldn't have been there in the first place.
I agree - but the incident happened right infront of the Derrytresk dugout, had it happened s little further down the pitch I'm sure Dromid had as many "officials" on the sideline. But I agree that there is far too many people there for such a high profile game.
Did the Derrytresk supporter with the green hoodie do anything when he jumped on the pitch or did he just run around throwing shapes?
Clown.
I've watched that video about 10 times and I would still see Dromid No4 as the instigator. He throws the first swing at clipboard guy, all be it a backhanded bitch slap. And that's before we get into why the DT boy was on the ground to begin with!
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 26, 2012, 07:50:50 PM
I've watched that video about 10 times and I would still see Dromid No4 as the instigator. He throws the first swing at clipboard guy, all be it a backhanded bitch slap. And that's before we get into why the DT boy was on the ground to begin with!
Clipboard man actually aimed a kick/trip at the Dromid number 4 first which the Dromid number 4 responded to by taking a swing at him.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 26, 2012, 07:50:50 PM
I've watched that video about 10 times and I would still see Dromid No4 as the instigator. He throws the first swing at clipboard guy, all be it a backhanded bitch slap. And that's before we get into why the DT boy was on the ground to begin with!
It doesnt matter who started it. That should have been left to the ref to deal with. In almost every match there is an incident where somebody swings an arm round at somebody and the ref deals with it. The problem is the 10 or 15 subs/supporters who get over the fence to get involved. That cannot be allowed to happen and the gaa should come down very harshly to make sure it doesnt happen again.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 26, 2012, 05:27:26 PM
We need to get rid of all these lads with clipboards, stopwatches and calculators off the sideline.
Absolutely
Harsh words from Darragh OSe after last years all ireland as he "felt dublin were there to be bullied on the day" :-X
I blame the kerry lads ;)
Any new points raised or evidence unearthed between pages 6 and 30 of this thread lads ?
Or just new folk coming in all the time re-hashing the same points that got thrashed out in the first 5/6 pages i.e. things got out of hand for a minute, ref stood and watched it all at close quarters so really much ado about nothing, oh yeah, the subs, mentors, etc should not have gotten involved
#giveitarestfolks
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 26, 2012, 08:00:32 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 26, 2012, 07:50:50 PM
I've watched that video about 10 times and I would still see Dromid No4 as the instigator. He throws the first swing at clipboard guy, all be it a backhanded bitch slap. And that's before we get into why the DT boy was on the ground to begin with!
Clipboard man actually aimed a kick/trip at the Dromid number 4 first which the Dromid number 4 responded to by taking a swing at him.
Still don't see the kick. All I can see is a shove (which is bad enough by a none player) but it's 4 who starts the swinging.
Ban the ones who jumped the fence (including any fans, tho I honestly believe these are a bit of a balls but they need to be seen to do it) . Ban the ones who were swinging and job done for the GAA.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 26, 2012, 07:50:50 PM
. And that's before we get into why the DT boy was on the ground to begin with!
From the uploaded video, (in the first second or 2 ) You can see what kicked it all off ..
Number 10 clearly gives the DT player a dig ..
(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t460/mick165/Derrytresk1.png)
(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t460/mick165/Derrytresk2.png)
(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t460/mick165/Derrytresk3.png)
The umpire has his flag up, did he see anything or just signalling a line ball ?
(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t460/mick165/Derrytresk4.png)
Then it all kicks off !!
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 26, 2012, 08:18:15 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 26, 2012, 08:00:32 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 26, 2012, 07:50:50 PM
I've watched that video about 10 times and I would still see Dromid No4 as the instigator. He throws the first swing at clipboard guy, all be it a backhanded bitch slap. And that's before we get into why the DT boy was on the ground to begin with!
Clipboard man actually aimed a kick/trip at the Dromid number 4 first which the Dromid number 4 responded to by taking a swing at him.
Still don't see the kick. All I can see is a shove (which is bad enough by a none player) but it's 4 who starts the swinging.
You can see it at the 0:05 second mark if you pause in the right place. There is a DT physio in front though blocking the view but you can still see clipboard man standing on one foot behind him. His other outstretched leg obscured by the physio but I think it's fairly obvious that he's performing some type of kick/trip on the Dromid number 4.
Either way it's the subs/officials/supporter jumping the hoarding to get involved that is the major problem.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 26, 2012, 08:18:15 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 26, 2012, 08:00:32 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 26, 2012, 07:50:50 PM
I've watched that video about 10 times and I would still see Dromid No4 as the instigator. He throws the first swing at clipboard guy, all be it a backhanded bitch slap. And that's before we get into why the DT boy was on the ground to begin with!
Clipboard man actually aimed a kick/trip at the Dromid number 4 first which the Dromid number 4 responded to by taking a swing at him.
Still don't see the kick. All I can see is a shove (which is bad enough by a none player) but it's 4 who starts the swinging.
Ban the ones who jumped the fence (including any fans, tho I honestly believe these are a bit of a balls but they need to be seen to do it) . Ban the ones who were swinging and job done for the GAA.
Totally irrelevant who started it. Its the derrytresk subs/supporters who jumped the fence and caused the disgraceful scenes. The club are responsible for their subs and supporters and therefore should be punished severely. Its time the gaa sent out a message.
You're a gas man. The Linesman has his flag up because it's a line ball. That's why #4 stops in the first place.
Then #10 comes in and trys to rip the ball off him to take the sideline. #4 goes down and #10 turns around to say to the ref 'FFS I never touched him'.
Then Dromid #4 comes in to get the ball and Mentor 1 trips him up. That's when it kicks off.
By the way, in that last picture, you can see 4 stewards in the background. I noticed that before and meant to say it. Where were they when the DT guys were recreating the Grand NAtional?
It looks like no10 does more than trying to rip the ball of the DT lad. Still don't see anything more than a shove by the clipboard guy. Then No 4 starts swinging.
Lenny I don't see who your arguing with? Is there anyone saying that the subs shouldn't be punished. That in itself will "send out the message"
In saying that I'd be pulling Dromid up on throwing allegations around without proof. If that happened in real life you could be up for slander. They've made a bit of a show of themselves in that regards.
The two Kerry lads commentating on radio Kerry seemed to think that the Dromid player absolutely nailed the Derrytresk player at the time-they were almost bragging about it...
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2012, 08:27:42 PM
You're a gas man. The Linesman has his flag up because it's a line ball. That's why #4 stops in the first place.
Then #10 comes in and trys to rip the ball off him to take the sideline. #4 goes down and #10 turns around to say to the ref 'FFS I never touched him'.
Then Dromid #4 comes in to get the ball and Mentor 1 trips him up. That's when it kicks off.
That's it in a nutshell.
#4 went down for nothing and when he did get an actual clout during the melee it was from his own man falling on top of him.
Naw your wrong.
It's gas how different people looking at the same thing can see it so differently. Maybe we should go easier on the ccccccccccc in future.
The ref dealt with all of this and the game continued.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2012, 08:30:13 PM
By the way, in that last picture, you can see 4 stewards in the background. I noticed that before and meant to say it. Where were they when the DT guys were recreating the Grand NAtional?
I'm not sure what they could have done to be honest.
The subs reacted awful quick.
It was almost as if they were waiting for the opportunity to arise.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 26, 2012, 09:48:46 PM
The ref dealt with all of this and the game continued.
yeah. 2 yellows :)
Quote from: Jinxy on January 26, 2012, 09:50:05 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2012, 08:30:13 PM
By the way, in that last picture, you can see 4 stewards in the background. I noticed that before and meant to say it. Where were they when the DT guys were recreating the Grand NAtional?
I'm not sure what they could have done to be honest.
The subs reacted awful quick.
It was almost as if they were waiting for the opportunity to arise.
I don't think they ever arrive though. Looks like only 1 steward is ever there.
In general, what proportion of the total responsibility would people apportion to either side?
And I don't just mean the row, I mean the incidents after the game too.
I'd be particularly interested in the Tyrone posters views.
I feel the 'blame ratio' is 70:30 with Derrytresk being responsible for the majority of the trouble.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2012, 08:27:42 PM
You're a gas man. The Linesman has his flag up because it's a line ball. That's why #4 stops in the first place.
Then #10 comes in and trys to rip the ball off him to take the sideline. #4 goes down and #10 turns around to say to the ref 'FFS I never touched him'.
Then Dromid #4 comes in to get the ball and Mentor 1 trips him up. That's when it kicks off.
One would have to read between your lines in order to inject some credibility that matches the images.
Nr 10 did more than rip the ball from nr 4, he floored him, catching everybodys' attention.
Tyronies may be a bit thick and sensitive at the same time, but they can tell first-blood from a run of the mill Tyrone dive.
Nr 10 went on like a bull in a china shop in a search and rescue mission for the ball.
One bibbed man went to help the ailing nr 4 and clipboard man intervened in some form, possibly concerned about the fallen player, but the Kerryman was mentally deranged by this stage and getting surrounded by irate Tyronies only made him worse.
Clipboard man has taken a bit of undeserved flak. The lesson here is, stand well back from a Kerry player when the steam is coming out of his ears and wait 'til the pressure drops before winding him up again.
Jaysus lads, the Zapruder film never got as much scrutiny as this film did!!
From seeing it as it happened and studying the video I would say you have it just about right Main Street, the no.10 ripped the ball and made some contact, from my view at the game he did not make enough contact to cause the Derrytresk no.4 to go down just the way he did,hence his and the Dromid officials protestations, however, the vast majority of the Derrytresk contingent were watching this from behind their man and it would have looked as though it was a punch to the midriff (incidentally the ref had failed to send off a Dromid player for a punch to the midriff of another Derrytresk player moments before).
Quote from: Main Street on January 26, 2012, 10:17:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2012, 08:27:42 PM
You're a gas man. The Linesman has his flag up because it's a line ball. That's why #4 stops in the first place.
Then #10 comes in and trys to rip the ball off him to take the sideline. #4 goes down and #10 turns around to say to the ref 'FFS I never touched him'.
Then Dromid #4 comes in to get the ball and Mentor 1 trips him up. That's when it kicks off.
Clipboard man has taken a bit of undeserved flak. The lesson here is, stand well back from a Kerry player when the steam is coming out of his ears and wait 'til the pressure drops before winding him up again.
He has in his bollocks. He tried to kick/trip an opposition player that went scooting to retrieve the ball. It wasn't even the same Dromid player that had gone in for the initial challenge. Had he not interfered with a player the ref would have been able to deal with a minor kerfuffle without much bother.
Whatever about players battering each other, mentors/officials should be older and wiser to not go sticking the boot in literally into opposition players.
Quote from: cicfada on January 26, 2012, 10:37:39 PM
Jaysus lads, the Zapruder film never got as much scrutiny as this film did!!
The man with the clipboard on the grassy knoll was behind it all.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2012, 09:50:53 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 26, 2012, 09:48:46 PM
The ref dealt with all of this and the game continued.
yeah. 2 yellows :)
I think one of the yellows was for the no.11. So is he 'safe'?
Yes, first result in the process for the hill.
Is it at all possible that as the ball was squirming that way that 'clipboard man' instinctively stuck out his leg to stop it at the same time that 'possessed Dromid man' was fending it and that the whole thing started through a moment in time where the speed of an over zealous player and lack of speed of an officionado met, with awful consequences? No-one can assume anything about this part of the melee as it is not clear on video-you'd need to see it from the other side.
No matter how subjectively I look at this, the Dromid player didn't even allow for this possibility, or any, instead reacted in a way that I have never seen before but in a way that seemed to be creeping up as the minutes were ticking away. Jaysus, he didn't even afford the man a "What are you at, ye bollix?", or something like it. Then, the way in which the Dromid No.5 flew in, punching mid air like a bad Jackie Chan movie, was the most inflammatory part of the melee. The rest is history..
Quote from: Whishtup on January 26, 2012, 11:15:21 PM
Is it at all possible that as the ball was squirming that way that 'clipboard man' instinctively stuck out his leg to stop it at the same time that 'possessed Dromid man' was fending it and that the whole thing started through a moment in time where the speed of an over zealous player and lack of speed of an officionado met, with awful consequences? No-one can assume anything about this part of the melee as it is not clear on video-you'd need to see it from the other side.
No matter how subjectively I look at this, the Dromid player didn't even allow for this possibility, or any, instead reacted in a way that I have never seen before but in a way that seemed to be creeping up as the minutes were ticking away. Jaysus, he didn't even afford the man a "What are you at, ye bollix?", or something like it. Then, the way in which the Dromid No.5 flew in, punching mid air like a bad Jackie Chan movie, was the most inflammatory part of the melee. The rest is history..
Clipboard man should not have been anywhere near the play.
The small army of Derrytresk men on the sideline was an accident waiting to happen.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 26, 2012, 11:22:37 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on January 26, 2012, 11:15:21 PM
Is it at all possible that as the ball was squirming that way that 'clipboard man' instinctively stuck out his leg to stop it at the same time that 'possessed Dromid man' was fending it and that the whole thing started through a moment in time where the speed of an over zealous player and lack of speed of an officionado met, with awful consequences? No-one can assume anything about this part of the melee as it is not clear on video-you'd need to see it from the other side.
No matter how subjectively I look at this, the Dromid player didn't even allow for this possibility, or any, instead reacted in a way that I have never seen before but in a way that seemed to be creeping up as the minutes were ticking away. Jaysus, he didn't even afford the man a "What are you at, ye bollix?", or something like it. Then, the way in which the Dromid No.5 flew in, punching mid air like a bad Jackie Chan movie, was the most inflammatory part of the melee. The rest is history..
Clipboard man should not have been anywhere near the play.
The small army of Derrytresk men on the sideline was an accident waiting to happen.
There are a lot of ex-players involved with Derrytresk club to whom this year's success means an awful lot-they all want to be involved and would nearly play if they could. The club's rise has been meteoric this year which has made it even worse.
You can be granted that everyone of those men has a role, be it motivational or practical. Certainly not sinister, and certainly not an accident waiting to happen. While I don't think there should have been so many Hill Bib-men, Jaysus there's scores of people circling rugby fields between players and coaching staff, American football fields are mobbed. Players just aren't as petulant as that Dromid player to think that he can attack someone from the other camp and get away with it.
It can be noted that the joint Derrytresk manager, Paul Hughes, and Packie O'Neill are furiously beckoning their subs back, whilst obeying the steward's instruction not to enter the field. They give a right dressing down to anyone coming back over the barrier.
Why does the man with the clipboard swing his left leg forward?
It's this action that the Dromid player reacts to.
He seemed to be aiming towards the ball, possibly to kick it away but it looks to me like he probably made contact with the Dromid player as he already has the ball in his hands.
Watch the slow motion version.
I know I'm repeating myself but if that lad with the clipboard isn't where he is, and doesn't try to interfere with the Dromid #4 getting the ball back, then there's no row.
You are only surmising something that cannot clearly be seen. Due to the high speed of the action, and slower speed of clipboard man, it is quite possible that both went for the same ball. How many times to you see someone flick a foot at a ball going over the line-happens all the time. Laws of probability will decide on the chance of clipboard man being beside where that ball goes out. Laws of probability will have no bearing on how the Dromid player reacts.
Hold on a second, don't try and tell me he was just flicking a boot at the ball as it went over the line.
He clearly lunges forward to try and get it while the Dromid man is going down to pick it up.
It wasn't an instinctive reaction and he had no business doing what he did.
That's only an opinion-you would need to see it from the other side to be sure of that-I'm not so sure, so innocent until proven guilty. Didn't warrant such a response.
Fact remains that Dromid were trying to tr**p Derrytresk into the ground for the match preceeding this, should've had a red card just before the incident. They were pumped high to dangerous levels which is obvious by the first minute of the footage. Their lack of control caused this incident, Derrytresk's lack of experience made it worse.
Poor little Derrytresk. :D
and they're small too...
Quote from: cicfada on January 26, 2012, 10:37:39 PM
Jaysus lads, the Zapruder film never got as much scrutiny as this film did!!
+1 :D Excellent Cicfada!
Martin Breheny's take on it :
"THEY won't admit it publicly, but Kerry and Tyrone don't like each other very much. Now, Dromid Pearses insist that their reaction to last Sunday's bust-up in Portlaoise has nothing to do with inter-county rivalry and that they would have responded in precisely the same way if a club from any county other than Tyrone were involved.
However, the GAA world will still wonder if there was a sub-text to a sparky affair which ended in a major controversy
"
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/tyrone-v-kerry-row-waiting-to-happen-3000348.html
Quote from: mick999 on January 27, 2012, 09:01:22 AM
Martin Breheny's take on it :
"THEY won't admit it publicly, but Kerry and Tyrone don't like each other very much. Now, Dromid Pearses insist that their reaction to last Sunday's bust-up in Portlaoise has nothing to do with inter-county rivalry and that they would have responded in precisely the same way if a club from any county other than Tyrone were involved.
However, the GAA world will still wonder if there was a sub-text to a sparky affair which ended in a major controversy
"
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/tyrone-v-kerry-row-waiting-to-happen-3000348.html
Breheny. Pah.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 26, 2012, 11:58:28 PM
Why does the man with the clipboard swing his left leg forward?
It's this action that the Dromid player reacts to.
He seemed to be aiming towards the ball, possibly to kick it away but it looks to me like he probably made contact with the Dromid player as he already has the ball in his hands.
Watch the slow motion version.
I know I'm repeating myself but if that lad with the clipboard isn't where he is, and doesn't try to interfere with the Dromid #4 getting the ball back, then there's no row.
What a load of balls.
There's no way you can know that. You could equally as well argue of the Dromid player didn't push the DT player over the sideline there'd have been no row.
The cause of the row is irrelevant anyway, as the main issue is the subs/supporters jumping the fence. If that hadn't happened it was a fairly minor issue which would have been dealt with at the time and there'd be no discussion.
Both teams had players in the wrong by the looks of it, DT subs deserve long suspensions.
I haven't seen any footage of the after match row, so can't comment on it, but there have been some mutually conflicting versions of it too.
As anyone on this board will know, I'm no fan of Tyrone and by association Tyrone clubs, but Dromid are coming across as very sore losers in this.
Everything Breheny says is always motivated by his desire for more county games, more league formats, and always driven by his will to spend his whole life watching games between the main counties. It's no surprise that when it comes to a significant club match like this, he has to relate it back to the county game to make sense of it.
How a man could get into the position he has while still maintaining a fundamental misunderstanding of what the GAA is all about is a mystery to me.
Quote from: Lone Shark on January 27, 2012, 09:20:15 AM
How a man could get into the position he has while still maintaining a fundamental misunderstanding of what the GAA is all about is a mystery to me.
There are far more like him to be found at higher levels that i often wonder about too
Hold on a minute lads, Crokes didn't call for segregation of supporters - you got it all wrong !! ;) :D
Former Armagh manager Joe Kernan says that the GAA may as well "shut up shop" if they introduce segregation at matches.
Crossmaglen Rangers of Armagh and Dr Crokes of Kerry meet in the All-Ireland club senior football semi-final on 18 February in O'Moore Park, Portlaoise - the same venue that hosted the controversial junior football semi-final between Dromid Pearses and Derrytresk last weekend.
Kernan, who led Crossmaglen to three All-Ireland club titles, says that any moves towards segregation would have a hugely negative impact on Gaelic games.
"The day segregation comes into the GAA is the day you shut the gates. Crowds being able to mingle is what the Association is built on.
"People from England come to watch our games and they admire supporters being able to sit with one another," Kernan said in The Irish Examiner.
"Unfortunately, there have been incidents of late - and I'm sure there have been incidents in Kerry as well as everywhere else - that are regrettable.
"It's certainly not the way we have been brought up. But if we go down the road of segregation the GAA might as well shut up shop," added Kernan.
On Thursday, Dr Crokes clarified that their request for blocks of tickets for the game was to facilitate juvenile members and their families, and not a call for fans to be separated.
Didn't Crokes clarify their original statement the same day that it appeared in the media?
Seems very quick on the part of the PR folks to decide what they thought was ok to say a few hours earlier was actually bad enough to warrant a retraction.
Regarding the forthcoming All Ireland Club Semi Final Dr. Crokes Club wish to clarify misinformation that appeared in the media this morning 26/01/12 regarding that we have requested "segregation of supporters" at the forthcoming All Ireland Club Semi Final against Crossmaglen Rangers.
What the club has requested is an allotment of tickets in a particular section of the stand where juvenile members and their families can sit together, as many families had requested this after our Munster Final win.
We've brought juvenile members to all our games this year and they have been together for the games. However we believe that there will be a large attendance at the game in Portlaoise and hence our reason for looking for an area where these can be accommodated together. All other interpretation of the clubs requests are a misinterpretation of the facts and the Club is in no way calling for segregation of supporters.
We have also requested that there be adequate stewarding on the day, in particular on the area in front of where the subs are seated to avoid any potential repeat of last Sunday.
Yeah it's the timing I was asking about.
People are going to read the situation the way the want to as we know, but it looks to me almost as though the timeline of events was:
1. Crokes make clumsy noises about getting a block of seats for some of the fans in the same statement that they ask - essentially - for the Cross subs area in the stands to be strongly policed
2. Statement reported in the media as Crokes wanting their fans kept together and the stands to be heavily policed - i.e. segregation
3. Crokes say "Oh shit, this looks bad" and rush out a second press release trying to diffuse the situation
Quote from: Jinxy on January 26, 2012, 11:58:28 PM
Why does the man with the clipboard swing his left leg forward?
It's this action that the Dromid player reacts to.
He seemed to be aiming towards the ball, possibly to kick it away but it looks to me like he probably made contact with the Dromid player as he already has the ball in his hands.
Watch the slow motion version.
I know I'm repeating myself but if that lad with the clipboard isn't where he is, and doesn't try to interfere with the Dromid #4 getting the ball back, then there's no row.
Yawn.
Its getting better by the day!!!! I hope we give them their moneys worth!!!
QuoteDromid supporter wants his money back
27 January 2012
A Dromid Pearses supporter who attended last Sunday's controversial AIB All-Ireland club JFC semi-final against Derrytresk in Portlaoise is seeking a refund from the GAA.
Mickey Dennehy, who witnessed the appalling scenes in the company of his five children, is encouraging other supporters to do the same.
"I phoned Croke Park for a refund and I was told to put it in writing," he explained to Kerry's Eye.
"I intend to get a refund - and others should do too. The whole thing has left a sour taste in my mouth. It portrays Derrytresk in a bad way and has tarnished the whole area.
"It is a sad day for football. I will think twice about bringing children to any game. This is our national game and this should not have been allowed. Derrytresk are in the final, but they should not be."
Dennehy, who is an underage coach with Pearses, added: "I have been following GAA since I was a young boy and I am very disappointed that the GAA would allow this go on. I would be afraid for the children, it could have spilled into the stand. What is it saying to children - that the sneaky stuff can win?"
Quote from: crossfire on January 27, 2012, 12:34:16 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 26, 2012, 11:58:28 PM
Why does the man with the clipboard swing his left leg forward?
It's this action that the Dromid player reacts to.
He seemed to be aiming towards the ball, possibly to kick it away but it looks to me like he probably made contact with the Dromid player as he already has the ball in his hands.
Watch the slow motion version.
I know I'm repeating myself but if that lad with the clipboard isn't where he is, and doesn't try to interfere with the Dromid #4 getting the ball back, then there's no row.
Yawn.
I'm in agreement with Jinxy on this in general.
Players will have a go at each other and whilst its not ideal its more manageable than people other than the 30 on the pitch becoming involved. I think it comes down to the one in all in mentality possibly to avoid lads getting sent off as it did on sunday.
As soon as officials, subs or supporters get involved then the GAA has to come down hard on them as much as the rules allow them.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 27, 2012, 12:46:52 PM
Its getting better by the day!!!! I hope we give them their moneys worth!!!
QuoteDromid supporter wants his money back
27 January 2012
A Dromid Pearses supporter who attended last Sunday's controversial AIB All-Ireland club JFC semi-final against Derrytresk in Portlaoise is seeking a refund from the GAA.
Mickey Dennehy, who witnessed the appalling scenes in the company of his five children, is encouraging other supporters to do the same.
"I phoned Croke Park for a refund and I was told to put it in writing," he explained to Kerry's Eye.
"I intend to get a refund - and others should do too. The whole thing has left a sour taste in my mouth. It portrays Derrytresk in a bad way and has tarnished the whole area.
"It is a sad day for football. I will think twice about bringing children to any game. This is our national game and this should not have been allowed. Derrytresk are in the final, but they should not be."
Dennehy, who is an underage coach with Pearses, added: "I have been following GAA since I was a young boy and I am very disappointed that the GAA would allow this go on. I would be afraid for the children, it could have spilled into the stand. What is it saying to children - that the sneaky stuff can win?"
Surely this has to be a wind up. Who or what is Kerry's Eye.
Exactly.
Some people can't see the difference between a player getting involved with an opposition player and a player getting involved with an opposition official.
The subs came on the pitch because their backroom team got involved.
NOT because their players got involved.
Quote from: Onlooker on January 27, 2012, 12:51:41 PM
Surely this has to be a wind up. Who or what is Kerry's Eye.
Kerry's Eye is one of Tralee's papers.
The guy telling the paper about looking for his money back is an embarrassment.
Quote from: Keane on January 27, 2012, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: Onlooker on January 27, 2012, 12:51:41 PM
Surely this has to be a wind up. Who or what is Kerry's Eye.
Kerry's Eye is one of Tralee's papers.
The guy telling the paper about looking for his money back is an embarrassment.
Would that be the North Tralee or South Tralee edition then?
Quote from: Keane on January 27, 2012, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: Onlooker on January 27, 2012, 12:51:41 PM
Surely this has to be a wind up. Who or what is Kerry's Eye.
Kerry's Eye is one of Tralee's papers.
The guy telling the paper about looking for his money back is an embarrassment.
In fairness ye are notorious for doing that.
Some Kerry fans think if you lose an All-Ireland final you're entitled to a refund.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 27, 2012, 01:00:37 PM
In fairness ye are notorious for doing that.
Some Kerry fans think if you lose an All-Ireland final you're entitled to a refund.
I'm sure some do.
In fairness, show me a good loser and I'll show you a fella who's used to it.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 27, 2012, 12:46:52 PM
Its getting better by the day!!!! I hope we give them their moneys worth!!!
QuoteDromid supporter wants his money back
27 January 2012
A Dromid Pearses supporter who attended last Sunday's controversial AIB All-Ireland club JFC semi-final against Derrytresk in Portlaoise is seeking a refund from the GAA.
Mickey Dennehy, who witnessed the appalling scenes in the company of his five children, is encouraging other supporters to do the same.
"I phoned Croke Park for a refund and I was told to put it in writing," he explained to Kerry's Eye.
"I intend to get a refund - and others should do too. The whole thing has left a sour taste in my mouth. It portrays Derrytresk in a bad way and has tarnished the whole area.
"It is a sad day for football. I will think twice about bringing children to any game. This is our national game and this should not have been allowed. Derrytresk are in the final, but they should not be."
Dennehy, who is an underage coach with Pearses, added: "I have been following GAA since I was a young boy and I am very disappointed that the GAA would allow this go on. I would be afraid for the children, it could have spilled into the stand. What is it saying to children - that the sneaky stuff can win?"
Is this for real? Dromid are fast making complete and utter fools of themselves. I started this week thinking that Derrytresk were out of order, but as the week has gone on my mind has changed. The true colours of Dromid Pearse are being revealed and it is clear that they have an attitude of provoking responses from people and if this is the sort of whinging and provocation that the Derrytresk lads had to listen to during the match Im not surprised they reacted by punching seven bells out of them.
Top story on Hogan Stand so I presume its true. Maybe for our game Dr Crokes fans can get in free(or even insist we pay for them for the privilege of being in their company), have new seats put in with nice velvet cushions attached, have the stand to themselves, have us put in little caged pens like all the other 'animals' where they can come down as they wish and prod us with cattle brands, we will agree to play the game without AK, Oisin and Jamie Clarke and we also agree to only use our weaker foots. Surely that would suffice to make sure each clubs standing in the GAA world is fairly reflected?
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 27, 2012, 01:07:09 PM
Is this for real? Dromid are fast making complete and utter fools of themselves. I started this week thinking that Derrytresk were out of order, but as the week has gone on my mind has changed. The true colours of Dromid Pearse are being revealed and it is clear that they have an attitude of provoking responses from people and if this is the sort of whinging and provocation that the Derrytresk lads had to listen to during the match Im not surprised they reacted by punching seven bells out of them.
Meh, this is a bit of a ridiculous attitude. The crabbing of some sour supporters after the fact hardly changes the contents of the video/the circumstances of the brawl.
Quote from: Keane on January 27, 2012, 01:29:46 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 27, 2012, 01:07:09 PM
Is this for real? Dromid are fast making complete and utter fools of themselves. I started this week thinking that Derrytresk were out of order, but as the week has gone on my mind has changed. The true colours of Dromid Pearse are being revealed and it is clear that they have an attitude of provoking responses from people and if this is the sort of whinging and provocation that the Derrytresk lads had to listen to during the match Im not surprised they reacted by punching seven bells out of them.
Meh, this is a bit of a ridiculous attitude. The crabbing of some sour supporters after the fact hardly changes the contents of the video/the circumstances of the brawl.
Just as ridiculous as the attiutude of some clown wanting his money back because his team lost. Its that "crabbing" nature that made people want to punch them obviously. Remember - this bloke is coaching the kids, so they will have grown up with his attitude! ;)
This is a very welcome development and I think the underage coach from Dromid Pearses is to be commended for doing supporters a great service.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 27, 2012, 01:39:53 PM
Just as ridiculous as the attiutude of some clown wanting his money back because his team lost. Its that "crabbing" nature that made people want to punch them obviously. Remember - this bloke is coaching the kids, so they will have grown up with his attitude! ;)
Well as long as you can see that the two things
are as ridiculous as each other ;D
As far as this particular champ goes, he's obviously an idiot and it's not good to hear he's involved with the kids.
I suppose in these tiny communities the people who end up still around into adulthood are often conditioned to be so parochial you'll get this sort of garbage out of them from time to time. Unfortunately small clubs aren't in a position a lot of the time to turn down man power wherever it comes from and as you say you end up with kids growing up with bad attitudes as well. Part of the reason why the GAA can be slow to progress at times I guess.
After reading some of the embarrassing stuff coming out of Kerry this week I am delighted Derrytresk beat these clowns and will be firmly supporting cross to hammer the crokes. Kerry have come out of this in a very unsporting light as terrible losers. Shame on them.
Jaysus, I wish I could get a refund for everytime Antrim got tanked!
Quote from: AQMP on January 27, 2012, 02:48:39 PM
Jaysus, I wish I could get a refund for everytime Antrim got tanked!
That's exactly why this man from Dromid has done us all a great service -
So every time we see a poor game, we just ring up Croker and tell them we're looking our money back ? Brilliant !!
Well done Dromid man !!
Quote from: orangeman on January 27, 2012, 02:53:07 PM
Quote from: AQMP on January 27, 2012, 02:48:39 PM
Jaysus, I wish I could get a refund for everytime Antrim got tanked!
That's exactly why this man from Dromid has done us all a great service -
So every time we see a poor game, we just ring up Croker and tell them we're looking our money back ? Brilliant !!
Well done Dromid man !!
They'd better hope Donegal don't get too far this year then or they'll be out a fortune!
Quote from: Jinxy on January 27, 2012, 12:53:25 PM
Exactly.
Some people can't see the difference between a player getting involved with an opposition player and a player getting involved with an opposition official.
The subs came on the pitch because their backroom team got involved.
NOT because their players got involved.
Ah now, Jinxy, don't have me spell it all out for you again-you seem to be determined to wax over the fact that Dromid player elevated this whole thing to another level by swinging at clipboard man. While clipboard man would have been better in the stand, it is clear that the Dromid player's actions are outrageously inflammatory and that this is the first undisputedly shocking action that take place in the fracas. CB man's trip/collision is debatable.
What is your motive in this, as you keep ignoring the black and white facts-I'd hope that it's just a bit of winding?
What super powers would Clipboardman have ??
Quote from: Whishtup on January 27, 2012, 03:52:59 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 27, 2012, 12:53:25 PM
Exactly.
Some people can't see the difference between a player getting involved with an opposition player and a player getting involved with an opposition official.
The subs came on the pitch because their backroom team got involved.
NOT because their players got involved.
Ah now, Jinxy, don't have me spell it all out for you again-you seem to be determined to wax over the fact that Dromid player elevated this whole thing to another level by swinging at clipboard man. While clipboard man would have been better in the stand, it is clear that the Dromid player's actions are outrageously inflammatory and that this is the first undisputedly shocking action that take place in the fracas. CB man's trip/collision is debatable.
What is your motive in this, as you keep ignoring the black and white facts-I'd hope that it's just a bit of winding?
It's not.
Whether by accident or design HE initiated the first contact with the Dromid player.
The Dromid player reacts excessively in your eyes.
My view is that he shouldn't have had to react at all.
Clipboard man is clearly Lee Harvey Oswald in this case (I'm trying to keep the Zapruder theme alive).
Quote from: HiMucker on January 27, 2012, 03:54:47 PM
What super powers would Clipboardman have ??
eating chips
In regard to Clipboard man being present on the sideline. Surely there are rules regarding the number of officals allowed on the pitch (as in not in the stand) with the team. These are a limited number to include physio doctor water carriers etc. It is up to the officals to make sure that teams only have the allocated number on the pitch.
I have read that county teams get fined for not togging out correctly or having socks pulled up as they parade etc. I am sure that there are similar regulations in place for club teams appearing in A-L semis.
So the clipboard man may have been within his right to have been on the sideline, but I would agree if he had not of interfered then the melee may not of happened. Better stewarding and refereeing may have prevented the scenes that have been witnessed, but the powers that be now need to take action to prevent things like this happening. I don't expect Derrytresk to get put out of the competition or have too many sanctions placed on them but clearer rules and heavier punishments need to be implemented for the coming leagues and championships.
Quote from: HiMucker on January 27, 2012, 03:54:47 PM
What super powers would Clipboardman have ??
He can throw his clipboard very accurately from distance like that big Japanese lad that was always after James Bond.
The clipboard also has a waterproof cover although I'm not sure if that's strictly a super power.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 27, 2012, 04:19:03 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on January 27, 2012, 03:52:59 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 27, 2012, 12:53:25 PM
Exactly.
Some people can't see the difference between a player getting involved with an opposition player and a player getting involved with an opposition official.
The subs came on the pitch because their backroom team got involved.
NOT because their players got involved.
Ah now, Jinxy, don't have me spell it all out for you again-you seem to be determined to wax over the fact that Dromid player elevated this whole thing to another level by swinging at clipboard man. While clipboard man would have been better in the stand, it is clear that the Dromid player's actions are outrageously inflammatory and that this is the first undisputedly shocking action that take place in the fracas. CB man's trip/collision is debatable.
What is your motive in this, as you keep ignoring the black and white facts-I'd hope that it's just a bit of winding?
It's not.
Whether by accident or design HE initiated the first contact with the Dromid player.
The Dromid player reacts excessively in your eyes.
My view is that he shouldn't have had to react at all.
Clipboard man is clearly Lee Harvey Oswald in this case (I'm trying to keep the Zapruder theme alive).
He obviously should have left the clipboard in the book depository. Then the subs wouldn't have had to jump the picket fence. It's clear now the handabg swinger must have been Jackie Kennedy. It's all set up for a Kevin Costner blockbuster, DTK.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 27, 2012, 04:19:03 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on January 27, 2012, 03:52:59 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 27, 2012, 12:53:25 PM
Exactly.
Some people can't see the difference between a player getting involved with an opposition player and a player getting involved with an opposition official.
The subs came on the pitch because their backroom team got involved.
NOT because their players got involved.
Ah now, Jinxy, don't have me spell it all out for you again-you seem to be determined to wax over the fact that Dromid player elevated this whole thing to another level by swinging at clipboard man. While clipboard man would have been better in the stand, it is clear that the Dromid player's actions are outrageously inflammatory and that this is the first undisputedly shocking action that take place in the fracas. CB man's trip/collision is debatable.
What is your motive in this, as you keep ignoring the black and white facts-I'd hope that it's just a bit of winding?
It's not.
Whether by accident or design HE initiated the first contact with the Dromid player.
The Dromid player reacts excessively in your eyes.
My view is that he shouldn't have had to react at all.
Clipboard man is clearly Lee Harvey Oswald in this case (I'm trying to keep the Zapruder theme alive).
Now we're getting somewhere-so you believe that Dromid man was correct in his reaction ?
Again-you are mixing up opinion with fact as regards the initiation.
You can't handle the truth!
Ah, Clipboard Man ordered a Code Red!
Quote from: Jinxy on January 27, 2012, 04:35:58 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on January 27, 2012, 03:54:47 PM
What super powers would Clipboardman have ??
He can throw his clipboard very accurately from distance like that big Japanese lad that was always after James Bond.
The clipboard also has a waterproof cover although I'm not sure if that's strictly a super power.
That's outrageous. OddJob was Hawai'an.
Who'd win a fight between Oddjob and Clipboardman?
Is Clipboardman allowed to kick as well?
He kicks so fast most people don't even see it.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 27, 2012, 04:59:56 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 27, 2012, 04:35:58 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on January 27, 2012, 03:54:47 PM
What super powers would Clipboardman have ??
He can throw his clipboard very accurately from distance like that big Japanese lad that was always after James Bond.
The clipboard also has a waterproof cover although I'm not sure if that's strictly a super power.
That's outrageous. OddJob was Hawai'an.
In derry that means a child
Every club should have a Clipboard Man. And he should be the only one paid in the club. His role is similar to that of the Goon in Ice Hockey.
My money's definitely on Clipboardman. Oddjob would be trampled by subs in seconds.
That's another one of his super powers.
The ability to use his mind to summon a load of hooded minions to do his bidding.
Apparently Tubridy asked Eamon Dunphy for his opinion on this (showed the row and all) on the Late Late Show earlier!
Bizarre stuff. ???
Clipboardman can turn himself into a twenty ton 'tipper', those Dromid boys are lucky he didn't use that power !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hear thon bullet for Antonio Ferdinand came in a letter with a derrytresk post mark...anyone?
Quote from: Jinxy on January 27, 2012, 11:43:08 PM
Apparently Tubridy asked Eamon Dunphy for his opinion on this (showed the row and all) on the Late Late Show earlier!
Bizarre stuff. ???
Absolutely bizarre. I happened to be watching and the discussion was about Kenny and his performance and the dire economic situation and, out of the blue the little D4 fairy just says, what about this and goes into the video of the ambush of the substitute bushmen in Portlaoise and Dunphy just says ah I've been a GAA follower all me life and that's just normal, no big deal. Then back to the economy and the IMF, etc. I'm still shakin me head, wondering.
"zionists" and "fairies" ::) ...you have a long way to go to get back to the center hardy ..thats if you have an inclination to get there.....
lot of anti kerry bias on this thread. It's about time someone stood up for the kingdomen!
Segregate the blogosphere!
Quote from: jeepers on January 27, 2012, 11:53:39 AM
Quote from: Lone Shark on January 27, 2012, 09:20:15 AM
How a man could get into the position he has while still maintaining a fundamental misunderstanding of what the GAA is all about is a mystery to me.
There are far more like him to be found at higher levels that i often wonder about too
Good point. Let's start a list of Spoofers Who Are Treated With Respect in GAA
Ger Canning ( no interest, wouldn't watch a game between October and May I reckon)
Tony Davis (hopeless, always claiming mishit shots were sooper passes)
Marty Morrissey ( better than Ger but no understanding of the game, unable to differentiate a run of the mill score from a great score)
Eugene McGee (not that bad, but he was single handedly responsible for that handpass rule farce of two years ago)
Jim O'Sullivan, Irish Examiner ( some people in Munster treat his articles as gospel and yet the man hasn't an iota about football or hurling)
Diarmuid O'Flynn, Irish Examiner ( writes about football and hurling, yet his hatred of Gaelic football is thinly veiled)
I will think of more...
Vilification of Ulster clubs widening north-south divide
By MARTIN BREHENY
Saturday January 28 2012
IT has been a strange week in Kerry and beyond.
Having first suggested that Derrytresk should be ejected from the AIB All-Ireland Junior Club Football Championship, Dromid Pearses then took to expressing their confidence in the disciplinary process, stating that they were confident that the Central Competitions Control Committee would "assign appropriate punishments to those who instigated events."
They were hardly calling for action against themselves, so inherent in their statement was a clear message to CCCC: Derrytresk caused the problem -- now deal with them.
With emotions running high after the Portlaoise bust-up, Dromid's outrage was understandable, which is more than can be said for Dr Crokes' intervention. Initially it appeared that they wanted to end a precious GAA tradition, whereby rival supporters mingle on stand and terrace, but later clarified their position, explaining that they were seeking ticketed areas so that families and groups could sit together at their All-Ireland semi-final clash with Crossmaglen next month.
ASHES
In normal circumstances, it would appear to have a certain merit, but suggesting it in a week when the ashes of the Dromid-Derrytresk fire were still red hot inevitably created the impression that Dr Crokes were trying to light a new fire by raising fears about the behaviour of the Crossmaglen Rangers supporters.
All the more so when it was accompanied by reminders of how a Dr Crokes player had allegedly been the victim of a handbag-wielding Crossmaglen woman during the 2007 All-Ireland final replay in Portlaoise.
Meanwhile, Dromid's most recent statement over events in Portlaoise last Sunday emphasised that their outrage was "not an issue of Kerry versus Tyrone or anything of that kind."
Why did they feel it necessary to make that point? Indeed, by drawing attention to Kerry-Tyrone rivalry, they were referencing a dimension which hadn't got much attention up to then.
And when Dr Crokes came aboard with their suggestion for special seating arrangements at the senior semi-final, accompanied by a call for improved security in front of the O'Moore Park stand for the clash with Crossmaglen, it introduced a new angle.
Would Dr Crokes have expressed similar concerns if their opponents were St Brigid's (Roscommon) or Garrycastle (Westmeath) or are their concerns part of something wider?
There are many GAA people in Ulster who believe that they are regarded differently by their southern brethren and, frankly, it's difficult to blame them. All the sounds coming out of Kerry this week gave the impression that Derrytresk were complete villains and hinted that Crossmaglen could wander over to the dark side too.
But then stereotyping Ulster football is nothing new in the south. People were happy enough when Armagh made the All-Ireland breakthrough in 2002, but when they remained at the top table, albeit without another visit from Sam, their style quickly came under negative scrutiny.
They were accused of nefarious deeds and, eventually, it even seeped through to official level when videos of Armagh games were used at a referees' meeting to highlight specific incidents.
It was an unfair perception of Armagh, but, once established, was impossible to shake off. Its impact was, perhaps, best exemplified by the treatment of Francie Bellew, who was depicted as the ultimate hitman.
Joe Kernan would later suggest that his hard-rock defender should have gone up to the referee before every game and given him his name in order to save time later on because, whatever transpired, Bellew always seemed to get the blame.
Meanwhile, the opposition were allowed to do just about anything they liked to Kieran McGeeney, who was regarded as one of Armagh's main generators and a man who needed to be stopped at source.
PUNISHMENT
And since he didn't complain or resort to histrionics, even under the severest of provocation, he shipped a whole lot more punishment than should have been the case if the rules were implemented properly.
Tyrone's emergence as an All-Ireland power in 2003 -- and their subsequent development into a consistently successful side -- gradually united the critics too. Apparently, they were the originators of 'puke football', a condition which disgusted so-called southern purists.
And when Donegal introduced a fascinating defensive mechanism into their game last year, they were accused of betraying basic principles. Donegal broke no rules, yet had to endure snide attacks on a system which took them further than at any time for 19 years.
There's no doubt there are some Ulster GAA people who carry a large chip on their shoulders, but, equally, there's a sizeable contingent in the south who regard the north differently to the rest of the country.
There were plenty in the south who felt entitled to lecture Ulster over its stance on Rule 21 (ban on British Army and RUC officers from joining the GAA) without ever actually crossing The Border. They never experienced the harassment which many GAA members endured simply because of their sporting allegiances, but chose not to consider that as they pontificated about the need to have the rule abolished.
And how many southern clubs would have shown the fortitude and perseverance displayed by Crossmaglen Rangers over 30 years of appalling treatment by the British Army?
Ulster can be proud of its heritage, its history and its continuing contribution to the vibrancy of the GAA. It would be a shame if a 'them' and 'us' mentality were to fester at any level. Sadly, what emanated from Kerry this week hinted at that and certainly didn't help the cause of good north-south relations.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/vilification-of-ulster-clubs-widening-northsouth-divide-3002718.html
GAA have a big fight on their hands
Last week's violent scenes at the All-Ireland junior club football semi-final are just the latest manifestation of a recurring problem that the association finds hard to eradicate, writes KEITH DUGGAN
IT HAS been a rough few months for Declan O'Sullivan. Not only was the Kerry stylist wrongly highlighted as the chief culprit in the seconds that led to Dublin's game-turning All-Ireland final goal last September, he found himself the subject of debate on Joe Duffy's Liveline on Monday afternoon.
The alleged attack on the Kerry star by an evidently incensed Derrytresk female supporter in the aftermath of the unruly All-Ireland semi-final debacle between his club, Dromid Pearses and the Ulster junior champions, led to a surreal line of questioning by Ireland's favourite agony uncle.
"And was it a big handbag or a small handbag?" Duffy enquired of a Dromid Pearses supporter who had witnessed the attack. "It was a fine handbag, Joe."
O'Sullivan's status in Gaelic football should give cause for optimism for junior footballers all over the country; he provides vivid proof that you don't need to belong to a powerful senior club to distinguish yourself as one of the supreme players in the game.
The repercussions from that match have left a bad atmosphere. The Kerry junior champions retreated from Portlaoise in a state of outrage, with Denis "Shine" O'Sullivan, their 36-year-old wing back and vice-chairman of the club, nursing a broken cheekbone and another player suffering concussion. Their sense of anger over what they felt was a premeditated policy of intimidation by their opponents during the match was palpable.
The Derrytresk club point to the fact that the Kerry men were shown two red and seven yellow cards over the course of the match. For Derrytresk club members and GAA people throughout Tyrone, the comments emanating from the Pearses club have been interpreted as sour grapes over another Red Hand success. And the GAA has to deal with the film of the sideline row which has been replayed all week. Opinions as to the seriousness of the incident have differed greatly but the video is the latest embarrassment for the GAA.
Film footage of violent incidents at GAA matches is always incendiary material. There is a reason that so many people watch it on television or when it is posted online – they wish to see what happened.
The Derrytresk-Dromid Pearses film looks terrible on first evidence but on repeated viewing it seems that some of those who ill-advisedly joined the altercation did so with the loose intention of trying to break up the various rows as they were breaking out. The worst of the exchanges lasted for 30 seconds and then the dust began to settle.
But it has been played on news bulletins and posted online and, added to the growing library of GAA rows, it substantiates the notion that there is wild streak running through Gaelic games.
"It is one of those strange things that people say is becoming more and more frequent. I think historically if you look at newspapers from through the years, it is not," says Dr Mike Cronin, academic director of Boston College Ireland and co-author of The GAA: A People's History.
"What is occurring these days is the ubiquitous nature of cameras so that if an incident happens at three o'clock, it is on YouTube by four. If this happened 10 years ago, you would have an irate local journalist but it would have played out at a more local level. It wouldn't have become a burning issue for Croke Park or been played out on the Six One News.
"The press does create its own juggernaut and people seem to have read into this that it creates an issue for the GAA and society at large. How many games were played last weekend and one got into trouble? That doesn't excuse the one but to somehow leap from that one example to suggest that the GAA has a systemic problem at its heart is a hell of a leap. Another debate is that this is a particular northern or Tyrone problem? Well, maybe or maybe not."
It was unfortunate that the two clubs involved came from Tyrone and Kerry, source of one of the most complex and keenest rivalries in contemporary Gaelic games. The statements emanating from Dromid Pearses stem from a genuine sense of shock. But in Tyrone, they seem like the latest attempt to tarnish the football reputation of the county. In Tyrone, there is a common belief that fingers are quickly pointed at any disciplinary breakdown within teams from their county.
"There is no doubt about that," says Danny Ball, the former Tyrone manager. "People in Tyrone are no more or less passionate than the people in Kerry or Dublin or Galway. If this is to be dealt with, then it has to be across the board. The people of Tyrone are no different than the people of Down or Donegal or Derry. The parochialism does run very deeply here, yes. But that is what is at the heart of the GAA. And that is why passions do run so high in games like this. I have been at plenty of games that passed off in good spirit. And I have seen the other side of things as well but when it is done and dusted, people are able to shake hands and walk away."
It doesn't help Tyrone's cause that the county has been the source of a number of notably violent incidents over the past year alone, with a referee punched unconscious at a women's match in June and a general brawl breaking out at the league final between arch rivals Dromore and Carrickmore. The objection in Tyrone is not that these events are publicised but that they are presented as a portrait of the abiding atmosphere of football in Tyrone. GAA people in Tyrone are particularly sensitive to criticism originating from Kerry, because Kerry are the traditional aristocrats of the game and because the modern relationship was very much defined by the infamous comments made by Pat Spillane during the 2003 All-Ireland semi-final between the counties.
Rightly or wrongly, there is a perception within Tyrone that the admiration they won for winning three senior All-Irelands in the past decade has been earned grudgingly.
"Tyrone were slated for going down and beating Kerry in an All-Ireland final as well," Ball says. "There was no violence in 2003 but they were criticised anyway. There is not a county here or down South where incidents don't occur and there isn't a word about it.
"They should all be highlighted, from underage right through to senior level. And it is not good. Don't get me wrong. Do people think that Derrytresk are sitting up here and are happy about what happened? I don't think they would be. But these things have been going on for years and it comes down to: what is the GAA going to do about it?"
The GAA is hardly unique in having to deal with outbreaks of indiscipline on the field of play. Those episodes are infrequent but tend to be epic in scope, such as the Mayo-Meath dust-up in 1996. But the transfer of aggression from the teams to squad members on the sideline or to supporters is even graver.
The scenes at the conclusion of last year's disputed Leinster final between Meath and Louth were a startling example of how quickly flashpoints can degenerate into dangerous situations. The vast majority of Gaelic games matches are played out in a kind of miraculous atmosphere which facilitates extreme passion and competitiveness along with the complexity of parish and intercounty rivalries and traditions and relationships.
Gaelic games enjoy extraordinarily intense levels of support. It is almost an act of faith that its spectators express themselves as demonstrably as they like without crossing the line, as happened last Sunday, when the row was filmed.
"The problem with film and the GAA, going back to the early 20th century – even the short films from Hollywood – is the connection between the sport and potential for violence," says Dr Seán Crosson, programme director for the Huston School of Film and Digital Media, who did the research for the GAA Gold DVD series. "It's somehow as if the sport itself is inherently violent. Unfortunately film just picks out those moments. Violence provides the moment of drama. What the films like that don't get is the complexity – that they are often exceptional within the context of the game and then they are exaggerated and held up as examples of what is wrong with the game in general. And without question, we are going to see more examples of this."
Unless, of course, the GAA successfully responds to the calls this week to implement measures which will bring an end to these scenes. But that may be tricky simply because there is no pattern of violence or disturbance, these flashpoints just occur.
"Pride in the parish" is the staunchest and truest of all the GAA cliches. It is because people put so much time and effort into their club that they come to care about it so much and it is that strength of feeling which generates the intensity of emotion at all GAA games, from underage through to the grand theatre of the All-Ireland finals.
Barry McElduff is a Sinn Féin Member of the Northern Ireland Assembly for West Tyrone. He played football with and is a member of the Carrickmore club. He attended the league final in which a ferocious brawl broke out between players and then supporters and spoke out critically about what he had witnessed afterwards.
The incident was dealt with by the Tyrone County Board and led to suspensions for players and supporters. But McElduff has been to countless games down the years that have taken place in the traditional GAA spirit of organised and clearly defined localised passion. "Those recent incidents wouldn't typically be my impression of Tyrone football at all," he says. " For instance, Carrickmore and Dromore respect each other greatly. In the media, you would think there is a stand-off between communities. That isn't the case.
"Derrytresk is a very small rural area close to Lough Neagh, very strong in traditional Irish things. It is probably the same families involved in keeping the club going. This match would have been huge for them. Their rise would have been spectacular and there was big interest in the county in this match. I'd be concerned that the Tyrone I know and the Derrytresk I know is not being accurately reflected."
The problem is the images broadcast on web pages and on television throughout the week reflected an unavoidable truth. The "optics", to use a phrase associated with the last government, were not good. Danny Ball unquestionably has a point when he notes that in his experience, refereeing performances are often the root cause of agitated crowds at football matches (he was not referring to the last weekend's game in Portlaoise).
Nothing maddens supporters as much as the perception that the opposition team is getting favourable treatment. The GAA has tolerated a culture whereby players challenge every call a referee makes and often demonstrate their disgust with it; that annoyance is quickly transferred to the crowed and is redirected at the referee in often explicit terms.
Nonetheless, it is common for supporters from opposition clubs or counties to spend a match in a state of high excitement and to exchange colourful viewpoints with one another and then extend hearty congratulations at the final whistle.
Gaelic games have always been regarded as suitable for parents to bring children to. Yet the distress caused to children who witnessed the Derrytresk-Dromid Pearses match was one of the issues raised on The Joe Duffy Show. The views expressed by spokespersons for the Dromid Pearse club were unusually frank and seem to reflect the depth of anger within the Kerry club. The GAA moved swiftly to review the referee's report, with the CCCC meeting on Thursday. But by then, the general debate had moved away from the rights and wrongs of that specific match to focus on what the GAA could and must do to prevent similar occurrences from happening again.
Already, the attention has moved to the All-Ireland senior club semi-final between Kerry champions Dr Crokes and Crossmaglen Rangers, the best club team to ever come out of Ulster. The 2007 All-Ireland final replay between the teams – which also took place in Portlaoise – had controversial elements.
The voluntary aspect of stewarding will come under renewed scrutiny now. There will undoubtedly be a highly visible stewarding presence at the club semi-final. Dr Crokes chairman Vincent Casey's suggestion that a block of seats in the stadium be reserved for Crokes fans to sit together was, on the face of it, a sensible reaction to an emotional week.
But separating the fans would be a new departure for the GAA, an admission that something essential to the well-being of the association – the peaceful co-existence of rival supporters – had broken down.
Mike Cronin says, "You are into trying to understand that psychology of crowds. That same crowd could have sat at 101 matches where there might have been a dust -up on the pitch without becoming involved. But for some reason at the weekend, one person dived in and then others followed. As for the idea about separating the crowds, I think that would be a very dangerous line to go down.
"The strength of the GAA is the jocularity and the pints afterward, the commiserating and the slagging that goes on. The moment you say that can't be allowed, you are almost creating the expectation of something happening."
Bad example other games that ended in controversy
TYRONE v DUBLIN
NFL, Healy Park, Omagh
February 5th, 2006
On the first day of the 2006 league, Dublin faced the All-Ireland champions in Omagh. The match was disfigured by a series of melees in which players brawled in defiance of both rules and the referee, Paddy Russell, who considered abandoning the match. After an investigation by the old Central Disciplinary Committee, seven players (an eighth, Tyrone's Collie Holmes, had already been banned for a straight red card) were suspended for between four and eight weeks. The suspensions collapsed on appeal and the fiasco helped lead to the installation of current disciplinary structures. The county boards were each fined €10,000.
MEATH v LOUTH
Leinster SFC final, Croke Park
July 10th, 2010
After mistakenly awarding Meath a decisive last-minute goal to deny Louth a first provincial title in 53 years, referee Martin Sludden was subjected to verbal abuse, attacked and struck by some Louth supporters. After reviewing video footage the GAA suspended two members for 48 weeks and barred two non-members from its grounds, also for 48 weeks. Three men were charged with assault. The case will be heard in the coming weeks.
ST MARY'S, RASHARKIN v LÁMH DEARG
Antrim U-21 FC semi-final, Ballymena
October 29th, 2011
Referee Ray Matthews and linesman Owen Elliot were attacked and the former hospitalised at the end of the match in which three Rasharkin players were sent off. Big suspensions followed, with 10 St Mary's personnel suspended and one coach and two members expelled from the association. The club was banned from all adult competition for 2012, a sanction reduced on appeal to the Ulster Council to the under-21s, with a stipulation that all other adult matches be played away from home. Matthews resigned from refereeing in protest after the reduction.
DROMORE v CARRICKMORE
Tyrone SF League final, Dunmoyle,
November 13th, 2011
Last year's league final erupted into violence late in the game. Fighting among the players on the pitch spread to the stand, with a number of spectators sustaining injuries, including one who lost part of an ear. Three Carrickmore players were suspended for 12-48 weeks but goalkeeper Plunkett McCallan had his 48-week ban reduced to 38 weeks on appeal. Four spectators from either club were banned for a year. Both clubs were fined £300, the maximum. The clubs were banned from this year's league play-offs and ordered to play their next two competitive matches at neutral venues, with proceeds going to charity. The PSNI also announced an investigation.
ST BRIGID'S v COROFIN
Connacht SFC final, Kiltoom,
November 20th, 2011
The provincial final in Connacht concluded in controversy when referee Liam Devenney was mobbed by Corofin players and supporters unhappy at the club's narrow defeat. It required the intervention of Brigid's officials to usher the referee and his umpires to the safety of the dressingrooms. Connacht Council handed down four-week suspensions to a player and selector and fined Corofin €5,100. Corofin appealed the fine, €4,000 of which was for the post-match incidents but the provincial appeals committee added a further €500 to the bill.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0128/1224310865542.html
Quote from: ONeill on January 28, 2012, 12:17:30 PM
GAA have a big fight on their hands
Last week's violent scenes at the All-Ireland junior club football semi-final are just the latest manifestation of a recurring problem that the association finds hard to eradicate, writes KEITH DUGGAN
IT HAS been a rough few months for Declan O'Sullivan. Not only was the Kerry stylist wrongly highlighted as the chief culprit in the seconds that led to Dublin's game-turning All-Ireland final goal last September, he found himself the subject of debate on Joe Duffy's Liveline on Monday afternoon.
Paul Galvin won't like that.
QuotePaul Galvin won't like that.
:D
Hearing there won't be much of a panel left for their final in Derrytresk
Quote from: donelli on February 01, 2012, 01:52:01 AM
Hearing there won't be much of a panel left for their final in Derrytresk
Subs gone ?
You only need 15 to win a match.
Just found this board. Have watched some clips of this event and quite honestly am astounded by the negative publicity. I've seen bigger skirmishes at Scarva on the 13th. No doubt the powers that be within the association will wield the big stick at a small club as is their wont.
My point of reference is always Semplegate where Clare and Cork hurlers cut five colours of you know what out of each other before the ball was thrown in. No calls here for teams to be thrown out of the competition or long suspensions. As far as I can recall the longest suspension was four weeks. Move on and get a grip.
With regard to the handbag incident. I would advise the owner to take out insurance on the offending accessory. I can envisage a situation in some years from now this item will surface at a charity auction and the then President of the GAA will purchase it for donation to the GAA museum.
Without wishing to reopen this thread Samuel, I think you'll find most people would be of the same opinion as yourself if it wasn't for the subs and supporters getting involved in the row. Semplegate was players flaking each other, and they got suspended. But at least they were players. When outside agencies get involved all bets are off.
Subs, supporters and ........ Clipboard man.
Suspensions are out on the Dromid side. Any word from Derrytresk?
Quote from: HiMucker on January 27, 2012, 05:35:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 27, 2012, 04:59:56 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 27, 2012, 04:35:58 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on January 27, 2012, 03:54:47 PM
What super powers would Clipboardman have ??
He can throw his clipboard very accurately from distance like that big Japanese lad that was always after James Bond.
The clipboard also has a waterproof cover although I'm not sure if that's strictly a super power.
That's outrageous. OddJob was Hawai'an.
In derry that means a child
lol true, in da city it sounds lik wine
i've heard the hill have been hit hard - player wise.
Quote from: clarshack on February 01, 2012, 05:02:09 PM
i've heard the hill have been hit hard - player wise.
Aye but thats for hitting dromid hard
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 01, 2012, 03:13:59 PM
Suspensions are out on the Dromid side. Any word from Derrytresk?
Any link for that? Can't see anything :(
Derrydresk 8 men suspended
Quote from: gerry on February 01, 2012, 07:51:10 PM
Derrydresk 8 men suspended
4 starters and 4 subs apparantly
4 starting players, and 4 subs with a €5K fine, whilst Dromid had 3 players suspended (1 for 5 months), and a €2K fine.
All the makings of a protracted appeal I'd say.
teamtalkmag.com can tonight confirm that Derrytresk have been dealt a devastating blow ahead of Sunday weeks All Ireland Junior Football Championship final in Croke Park.
Four of the starting team and four substitutes have received bans that will see them miss the All Ireland Final on 12th February. In addition to this the club have been fined 5000 euro by the CCCC.
The word coming from Kerry is that Dromid have had three players suspended, one for 5 months, and have been hit with a 2000 euro fine.
It goes without saying that the Derrytresk club have begun the process of appealing the bans handed down to them. While it is hoped that the appeal process is successful for the players it doesn't take away from the fact that it leaves the club and players with huge uncertainty as they attempt to make preparations for the final.
Everyone at Teamtalkmag.com wish the club every success with the upcoming appeal and hope that those involved in the process will look beyond the media hysteria generated by those who should know better.
Quote from: gerry on February 01, 2012, 08:47:44 PM
teamtalkmag.com can tonight confirm that Derrytresk have been dealt a devastating blow ahead of Sunday weeks All Ireland Junior Football Championship final in Croke Park.
Four of the starting team and four substitutes have received bans that will see them miss the All Ireland Final on 12th February. In addition to this the club have been fined 5000 euro by the CCCC.
The word coming from Kerry is that Dromid have had three players suspended, one for 5 months, and have been hit with a 2000 euro fine.
It goes without saying that the Derrytresk club have begun the process of appealing the bans handed down to them. While it is hoped that the appeal process is successful for the players it doesn't take away from the fact that it leaves the club and players with huge uncertainty as they attempt to make preparations for the final.
Everyone at Teamtalkmag.com wish the club every success with the upcoming appeal and hope that those involved in the process will look beyond the media hysteria generated by those who should know better.
That punishment is fairly light. They should accept it and get on with it. If they do appeal the appeal needs to be sorted out quickly cos its not fair if guilty players are allowed to play in the final.
8 players? There was about two punches thrown in the whole thing. It's all down to the bad losers from Kerry!
Quote from: gerry on February 01, 2012, 08:47:44 PM
teamtalkmag.com can tonight confirm that Derrytresk have been dealt a devastating blow ahead of Sunday weeks All Ireland Junior Football Championship final in Croke Park.
Four of the starting team and four substitutes have received bans that will see them miss the All Ireland Final on 12th February. In addition to this the club have been fined 5000 euro by the CCCC.
The word coming from Kerry is that Dromid have had three players suspended, one for 5 months, and have been hit with a 2000 euro fine.
It goes without saying that the Derrytresk club have begun the process of appealing the bans handed down to them. While it is hoped that the appeal process is successful for the players it doesn't take away from the fact that it leaves the club and players with huge uncertainty as they attempt to make preparations for the final.
Everyone at Teamtalkmag.com wish the club every success with the upcoming appeal and hope that those involved in the process will look beyond the media hysteria generated by those who should know better.
I don't think that is fully correct. I think Dromid only had 2 players suspended, and while one of them got 7 months in suspensions, they are 3 separate instances of 2 months, 2 months and 3 months, all to run concurrently, so a 3 month suspension in total. The other Dromid man got 2 months.
Check out Egypt lads ......................puts it all into prospective eh............handbags
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 01, 2012, 09:04:19 PM
Quote from: gerry on February 01, 2012, 08:47:44 PM
teamtalkmag.com can tonight confirm that Derrytresk have been dealt a devastating blow ahead of Sunday weeks All Ireland Junior Football Championship final in Croke Park.
Four of the starting team and four substitutes have received bans that will see them miss the All Ireland Final on 12th February. In addition to this the club have been fined 5000 euro by the CCCC.
The word coming from Kerry is that Dromid have had three players suspended, one for 5 months, and have been hit with a 2000 euro fine.
It goes without saying that the Derrytresk club have begun the process of appealing the bans handed down to them. While it is hoped that the appeal process is successful for the players it doesn't take away from the fact that it leaves the club and players with huge uncertainty as they attempt to make preparations for the final.
Everyone at Teamtalkmag.com wish the club every success with the upcoming appeal and hope that those involved in the process will look beyond the media hysteria generated by those who should know better.
I don't think that is fully correct. I think Dromid only had 2 players suspended, and while one of them got 7 months in suspensions, they are 3 separate instances of 2 months, 2 months and 3 months, all to run concurrently, so a 3 month suspension in total. The other Dromid man got 2 months.
Never seen or heard tell of this before. So for three different offenses he gets three months! Strange!
that's what I heard.
Absolutely scandalous and when you find out who they are and watch the video again you'll be scratching your head.
They've done their level best to ensure that Derrytresk lose the final, and that will be their undoing I'd say. Don't know how they can suspend 4 of the Hill men, but only 2 of Dromid's; it stinks of yielding to populist pressure for blood.
How long are the suspensions for? I'm presuming the Subs got heavier than the starters? I'd imagine #11 got it, and maybe #15 as well out of the starters, but I didn;t think Derrytresk's starters were that much in the wrong.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 01, 2012, 09:16:10 PM
They've done their level best to ensure that Derrytresk lose the final, and that will be their undoing I'd say. Don't know how they can suspend 4 of the Hill men, but only 2 of Dromid's; it stinks of yielding to populist pressure for blood.
I am puzzled over the 4 starters from Derrytresk, but not the 4 subs. At least that.
Rough justice for Derrytresk given how other instances of indiscipline have been dealt with locally and beyond.
Derrytresk were always going to get more suspended once their subs lepped over the advertising hoardings en masse like it was Beechers Brook on National day.
No mentors suspended though? I can think of one very lucky man.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 01, 2012, 09:21:11 PM
Derrytresk were always going to get more suspended once their subs lepped over the advertising hoardings en masse like it was Beechers Brook on National day.
So you think that players that wouldn't have been suspended otherwise, should be suspended because subs jumped the fence?
Doesn't pay to do the softly softly approach.
Quote from: ONeill on February 01, 2012, 09:23:58 PM
Doesn't pay to do the softly softly approach.
I presume you mean in the media. There wasn't too much softly softly Sunday week :)
F***in ridiculous
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 01, 2012, 09:34:29 PM
F***in ridiculous
True. If it had happened in tyrone the county board probably would have given both teams a 50 euro fine or something strict like that.
Quote from: lenny on February 01, 2012, 09:38:47 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 01, 2012, 09:34:29 PM
F***in ridiculous
True. If it had happened in tyrone the county board probably would have given both teams a 50 euro fine or something strict like that.
Do impart your wisdom then....which four of Derrytresk's outfield players deserved their bans, and why?
I think Derrytresk would have accepted it if all who jumped the fence, for the offence of jumping the fence, were banned. Instead, they have pinpointed players who happened to be dandering about.
Do you know which players got banned, and for how long? Did 11 and 15 get suspended? They're the only starters I could see in danger.
Can someone please tell me why Kevin Campbell the Derrytresk no.3 was banned. What did he do?
Both teams should take their punishment and move on.
except only one team really got punished
Quote from: Jinxy on February 01, 2012, 10:03:05 PM
Both teams should take their punishment and move on.
This is hardly likely.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 01, 2012, 10:03:05 PM
Both teams should take their punishment and move on.
Derrytresk avoid expulsion from All-Ireland Junior Club final
Derrytresk have avoided expulsion from the All-Ireland Junior Club Football Championship final after the violent clashes which marred their semi-final win over Dromid Pearses.
Eight players from the Tyrone club have been banned however, four of whom started the match, and another four substitutes.
Three Dromid players have received bans and both clubs have been fined.
Derrytresk officials have indicated that they are likely to appeal. Derrytresk, who were fined 5000 euros, will face Galway side Clonbur in the decider at Croke Park on 12 February.
Dromid Pearses were fined 2000 euros for their part in the fracas at Portlaoise, in which several people were injured.
The length of the bans have not yet been revealed.
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 01, 2012, 09:53:03 PM
Quote from: lenny on February 01, 2012, 09:38:47 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 01, 2012, 09:34:29 PM
F***in ridiculous
True. If it had happened in tyrone the county board probably would have given both teams a 50 euro fine or something strict like that.
Do impart your wisdom then....which four of Derrytresk's outfield players deserved their bans, and why?
Well??
Quote from: tyronefan on February 01, 2012, 10:08:19 PM
except only one team really got punished
Yeah, the team whose subs and fans piled in.
Quote from: barelegs on February 01, 2012, 10:02:06 PM
Can someone please tell me why Kevin Campbell the Derrytresk no.3 was banned. What did he do?
The no.3. You tell me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUmKAV0y6Yg
Quote from: ONeill on February 01, 2012, 10:14:35 PM
Quote from: barelegs on February 01, 2012, 10:02:06 PM
Can someone please tell me why Kevin Campbell the Derrytresk no.3 was banned. What did he do?
The no.3. You tell me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUmKAV0y6Yg
This I cannot understand either.
He arrives at 3:16.
Tell me what he does to earn a suspension from the All-Ireland final?
Disgraceful pandering to the media pressure. Four subs aside, 4 derrytresk to 2 dromid lads and larger Fine would point to a huge weighting of guilt on derrytresk. Absolutely nothing but the Kerry whinging would suggest that to be true. It looks like the Dromod manager and co. certainly got their pound of flesh.
Or maybe there's other footage we haven't seen?
Was Joe Duffy on the CCCC panel ?
Quote from: rrhf on February 01, 2012, 10:24:20 PM
Four subs aside, 4 derrytresk to 2 dromid lads and larger Fine would point to a huge weighting of guilt on derrytresk.
There werent too many more dromid men involved that could get suspended
FFS !!!
Thoese great GAA men in the BBC have it on the news now. Great followers and promoters of GAA !!!
Jerome wasn't far away.
If you cant do the time, don't do the crime. Good to see a stand being taken to cut out the thuggery that is happening on an all too often basis in gaelic games.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 01, 2012, 10:29:47 PM
Or maybe there's other footage we haven't seen?
Maybe, but the Derrytresk No 3 who is in the footage for the majority of that video is not involved and never lifts his hands.
Fairly hefty suspensions/fines. There will be appeals of course, but if anybody who has clearly been identified on video evidence as breaching the rules gets a walk on appeal, it will only tarnish the image of the association further. €5k is a big fine for a club. I guess it may act as a detterent for the future.
Who are the 4 Derrytresk players they have named?
ah lads tis about time the GAA actually took some action on these mass brawls hi which are all too common...................... and tis just unlucky that on this occasion it is Derrytresk and Dromaird who are the fall guys.
Good job they didn't see the Kilrea v Ballinderry game in the Derry Championship last year!!!!
Because this fight was in a national competition with exposure across the country and not in a local championship the GAA maybe believed that it was a great time to hit the teams hard.
Quote from: LeoMc on February 01, 2012, 10:42:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 01, 2012, 10:29:47 PM
Or maybe there's other footage we haven't seen?
Maybe, but the Derrytresk No 3 who is in the footage for the majority of that video is not involved and never lifts his hands.
Doesn't appear to do anything that could be deemed as violent or suspension worthy in that clip. You have to wonder what reports about situations like this actually contain.
Dromid have come out of this badly.
They put on their facebook that they wished the Galway team well in the final - how low class was that ?.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on February 01, 2012, 10:34:38 PM
If you cant do the time, don't do the crime. Good to see a stand being taken to cut out the thuggery that is happening on an all too often basis in gaelic games.
FFS. I asked Leeny this and didn't get an answer so maybe you could enlighten us all. What four Derrytresk outfield players deserved these suspensions and what "crime" did each commit? Let's start with their number #3. What was his "crime" for which he must "do the time"?
Quote from: LeoMc on February 01, 2012, 10:42:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 01, 2012, 10:29:47 PM
Or maybe there's other footage we haven't seen?
Maybe, but the Derrytresk No 3 who is in the footage for the majority of that video is not involved and never lifts his hands.
By the sounds of it, the Hill men believe they've a good case for getting Campbell off the hook. Appeal being launched tomorrow apparently.
http://www.ulsterherald.com/2012/02/01/major-blow-to-all-ireland-hopes-after-derrytresk-handed-hefty-suspensions/ (http://www.ulsterherald.com/2012/02/01/major-blow-to-all-ireland-hopes-after-derrytresk-handed-hefty-suspensions/)
Now the appeals industry swings into action. 'Take your medicine and use the time to reflect on how you should behave yourself' seems to be an outdated concept. The barroom lawyers here pronouncing on the basis of video footage don't seem to remember that the referee's report is the most important evidence.
Quote from: Hardy on February 01, 2012, 11:12:38 PM
Now the appeals industry swings into action. 'Take your medicine and use the time to reflect on how you should behave yourself' seems to be an outdated concept. The barroom lawyers here pronouncing on the basis of video footage don't seem to remember that the referee's report is the most important evidence.
The review committee's basis for imposing the sanctions will be important as well.
I can see this going a long road - don't expect the final to be played anytime soon.
Quote from: Hardy on February 01, 2012, 11:12:38 PM
Now the appeals industry swings into action. 'Take your medicine and use the time to reflect on how you should behave yourself' seems to be an outdated concept. The barroom lawyers here pronouncing on the basis of video footage don't seem to remember that the referee's report is the most important evidence.
True. So if the referee's report constituted the principal basis of the punishments, was the referee contemporaneously a) incompetent, b) remiss, or c) complicit? How can there be such a discrepancy between the sanctions that the referee exercised during the game, and those administered in retrospect, if the referee's report informed both sets of sanctions equally?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 01, 2012, 11:24:10 PM
Quote from: Hardy on February 01, 2012, 11:12:38 PM
Now the appeals industry swings into action. 'Take your medicine and use the time to reflect on how you should behave yourself' seems to be an outdated concept. The barroom lawyers here pronouncing on the basis of video footage don't seem to remember that the referee's report is the most important evidence.
True. So if the referee's report constituted the principal basis of the punishments, was the referee contemporaneously a) incompetent, b) remiss, or c) complicit? How can there be such a discrepancy between the sanctions that the referee exercised during the game, and those administered in retrospect, if the referee's report informed both sets of sanctions equally?
Joe Duffy must have been advising the CCC - or else has a holiday home in South Kerry.
The ref's report doesn't seem to have formed the basis for any suspensions.
Quote from: Hardy on February 01, 2012, 11:12:38 PM
Now the appeals industry swings into action. 'Take your medicine and use the time to reflect on how you should behave yourself' seems to be an outdated concept. The barroom lawyers here pronouncing on the basis of video footage don't seem to remember that the referee's report is the most important evidence.
Bollox.
You don't know what you're talking about.
The referee gives the No.11 a yellow in the brawl. It's now a red.
Here we have a six-player choke-hold and a punch threw in the middle of it. Let's go the whole hog and ban the lot...(http://eircomsports.eircom.net/Media/Thumbnails/e3b022b3-ce3d-45ad-a11a-27c50fa51351_640x360.jpg)
Let's sanitise the lot, I say, good fellows!
Disgraceful decision, bowing to a media campaign that was pushed and pushed and backed up by sanctimonious donkeys, who need to say the word 'disgrace' on a regular basis to satisfy their thirst for self-pontification.
That raises another interesting point.
How the hell did Connolly get away with diving knees first onto the Kildare full back?
From what I can see the no. 3 has no problem here and should be easily overturned. Looking at the evidence there were more Dromid players nailed than Derrytresk fella's and the fact that subs jumped the wire makes it twenty times worse on Derrytresks part.
Seriously do lads not have brain cells at all? What possible good was going to come from a sub thinking "Jesus there's a bit of handbags here I need to jump onto the field and sort this situation out!"
If anybody is suspended in the wrong I would hate to see them miss an AIF but in my opinion the fine would stand up and Derrytresk are lucky enough to be playing in the final!
Quote from: Jinxy on February 02, 2012, 12:14:34 AM
That raises another interesting point.
How the hell did Connolly get away with diving knees first onto the Kildare full back?
Connolly swore blind that he wasn't even in Newbridge. He said he was round at Seánie Johnston's place in Straffan for Sunday lunch.
Was clipboard man suspended?
Don't know what all the fuss is about. If the Derrytresk subs/fans/clipboardmen had have restrained themselves this wouldn't be such an issue. They did though and broke GAA rules, they can't throw there hands in the air and say "what was that for".
The second point and perhaps more important is why did the GAA not fine Dromid and Derrytresk equally? It takes two for this stuff to happen and not many of the Dromid men seem to shy from the confrontation. Also they whored themselves out to the media since this happened and sets a bad precedent, more teams will now seek this childish, one-upmanship attitude to relieve some of the bitterness of defeat. As GAA clubs go, Dromid acted liked a spoilt child who couldn't take their beating, advocating Derrytresk's explusion from the cup and going at great lengths to issue poorly constructed statements to the press, not to the GAA.
My fear is that the GAA has opened a can of worms here, many people will forget this row, its suspensions and fines. They will remember though that Dromid influenced these suspensions by creating a media circus and they too will try to gain retribution for their hiding by taking a similar route.
"If" the CCC were judging their punishment by what was shown on that short clip on youtube then its absolutely scandalous. I can't comment on any other part of the game because I wasn't their. However, if that is the case and that was their evidence Tyrone GAA should pull out of the league game with Kildare in protest for their fellow County man.(Which is not going to happen I know).
Quote from: Jinxy on February 02, 2012, 12:37:15 AM
Was clipboard man suspended?
He did a deal. He is now head of the ECB.
Quote from: screenexile on February 02, 2012, 12:31:55 AM
From what I can see the no. 3 has no problem here and should be easily overturned. Looking at the evidence there were more Dromid players nailed than Derrytresk fella's and the fact that subs jumped the wire makes it twenty times worse on Derrytresks part.
Seriously do lads not have brain cells at all? What possible good was going to come from a sub thinking "Jesus there's a bit of handbags here I need to jump onto the field and sort this situation out!"
If anybody is suspended in the wrong I would hate to see them miss an AIF but in my opinion the fine would stand up and Derrytresk are lucky enough to be playing in the final!
There were incidents at the end of the match were there not? Perhaps, and I am only guessing, the no 3 could have suspended in relation to some of those. O'Neill raises an interesting point, what is the rule when the referee deals with a matter during the match? Now from the pictures I saw number 11 clearly deserved a red but he may ironically have the best appeal. Seemed to be more than 4 subs jumping the fence, anybody who encroached on the field in that manner should be banned regardless of what they did when they arrived. I can well understand why Derrytresk's fine was higher, the intervention of their subs and mentors / supporters turned what was a fairly innocuous melee into a national incident.
Quote from: theticklemister on February 01, 2012, 10:50:35 PM
Because this fight was in a national competition with exposure across the country and not in a local championship the GAA maybe believed that it was a great time to hit the teams hard.
Its becuase Dromid make a scene about it and they and the media turned it into a north v south issue
But Dromid have the biggest loss to face really. Their manager has a self imposed life ban from all games since he stated he wouldn't go back to any game if Derrytesk were not kicked out of the competition.
Unless of course he was just talking absolute, complete bollocks and will be back at games in the next few weeks.
Which do you think?
Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on February 02, 2012, 12:52:43 AM
"If" the CCC were judging their punishment by what was shown on that short clip on youtube then its absolutely scandalous.
There were two videos segments on which the bannings were made. Only one has made it to the public.
I'd say its a sure bet that at least two of the Derrytresk bannings arose from the 2nd video.
(Northern) Lads, ye were all posting here about Dromid not taking their beating, that they were whinging and making a scene.
Seems fairly hypocritical now when you are all up in arms whinging about the suspensions that have been handed down to Derrytresk. Suck it up.
Sure big Fergal will sort the whole think out for you lads.
The only thing I'm surprised about in this is that there are 4 derrytresk players suspended....I'm not sure there's evidence for that. Though in saying that, perhaps its for the fracas after the game as opposed to the clip we've all seen. However, the fact that "only" 4 subs are suspended is a let off. IMO any sub that came onto the pitch whether they swung a fist or not should be suspended.
I agree that this type of behaviour needs to be dealt with harshly (as many of the Derry posters will know given my previous posts) but there also has to be an element of fairness to it.
I'd bet that the appeals will be swift and could raise a lot of difficult questions for the powers that be. Fergal Logan doesn't live too far away from Derrytresk and I'd imagine he'll be on the ball.
Quote from: ONeill on February 01, 2012, 11:34:07 PM
Quote from: Hardy on February 01, 2012, 11:12:38 PM
Now the appeals industry swings into action. 'Take your medicine and use the time to reflect on how you should behave yourself' seems to be an outdated concept. The barroom lawyers here pronouncing on the basis of video footage don't seem to remember that the referee's report is the most important evidence.
Bollox.
You don't know what you're talking about.
The referee gives the No.11 a yellow in the brawl. It's now a red.
Fine. You are the expert. Even so, you can't unilaterally re-write the rules of the GAA.
My point, if you would calm down to consider it, is that people here were pronouncing on the sanctions based on a single piece of video on YouTube and, in one or two cases, what they saw themselves if they were present. Nobody was considering the possibility that the referee's report which, notwithstanding the advent of YouTube, is still the primary basis for any disciplinary action, may have contained at least some releveant supplementary information. You can't know whether or not the sanctions applied are correct if you didn't see the evidence on which they were based.
People might have paused for a second to consider that before pronouncing on the fairness or otherwise of the sanctions without access to all the evidence available to the CCCC, including, as pointed out by Hound and AZOffaly, a piece of video that I don't think you've seen.
A Pearses spokesperson last night said: "We have received correspondence from Croke Park and we will now be seeking legal advice from Pádraig O'Connell in Killarney. We cannot comment any further at this stage"
Well there's a first!
Quote from: Jinxy on February 02, 2012, 12:37:15 AM
Was clipboard man suspended?
Nah, he's free to clip in the final!
Quote from: AQMP on February 02, 2012, 09:24:02 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 02, 2012, 12:37:15 AM
Was clipboard man suspended?
Nah, he's free to clip in the final!
Actually I think he was a plant. Poor auld Derrytresk. When I looked at the video blown up, his clip board seems to read 'Eoghan Rua (sp?), Dungannon'.
Quote from: Hardy on February 02, 2012, 09:08:45 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 01, 2012, 11:34:07 PM
Quote from: Hardy on February 01, 2012, 11:12:38 PM
Now the appeals industry swings into action. 'Take your medicine and use the time to reflect on how you should behave yourself' seems to be an outdated concept. The barroom lawyers here pronouncing on the basis of video footage don't seem to remember that the referee's report is the most important evidence.
Bollox.
You don't know what you're talking about.
The referee gives the No.11 a yellow in the brawl. It's now a red.
Fine. You are the expert. Even so, you can't unilaterally re-write the rules of the GAA.
My point, if you would calm down to consider it, is that people here were pronouncing on the sanctions based on a single piece of video on YouTube and, in one or two cases, what they saw themselves if they were present. Nobody was considering the possibility that the referee's report which, notwithstanding the advent of YouTube, is still the primary basis for any disciplinary action, may have contained at least some releveant supplementary information. You can't know whether or not the sanctions applied are correct if you didn't see the evidence on which they were based.
People might have paused for a second to consider that before pronouncing on the fairness or otherwise of the sanctions without access to all the evidence available to the CCCC, including, as pointed out by Hound and AZOffaly, a piece of video that I don't think you've seen.
That's what I was hinting at Hardy alright. I've heard of at least one suspension handed down for scenes not on that video, so I'm sure there's other incidents not directly part of the row that showed up in the other incidents, either during or after the match.
Quote from: Tubberman on February 02, 2012, 08:59:54 AM
(Northern) Lads, ye were all posting here about Dromid not taking their beating, that they were whinging and making a scene.
Seems fairly hypocritical now when you are all up in arms whinging about the suspensions that have been handed down to Derrytresk. Suck it up.
(Southern) lad, Dromid man, Jack O'Connor, said that Cork should quit crying and take their beating back in 2009. This, despite Tadhg Kennelly's disgraceful attack at the start of the game.
One rule for Dromid and Kerry, and a different rule for everyone else.
I was at the game, and i expected a heavy suspension especially after the Monday radio shows, although i think the pinishment is a little lop sided for each club.
I'ii not dwell on the players suspension, but how they could pick out only 4 subs for suspension and no mentors baffles me.
In all counties the further down the pile u r, u generally get a heaver suspension and so its the case here.
I think the token suspensions and fines that were handed out for the league final in Tyrone were far too light and its having a bearing on this case.
As in most cases an appeal will lift gain some lee-way and i feel that a player or too will get off, but due to the profile there shall be no major shift.
I was always of the opinion that Derrytresk would not be thrown out, regardless of how much Kery shouted, but that Croke Park would leave it extremely difficult for them to won the final
Fcuk me ye Tyrone lads need to stop crying!!! Bottom line is you can't empty the sub bench for an incident that amounted to no more than handbags . . . by rights Derrytresk should be thrown out and probably would be were it any other sport.
The fact the GAA Disciplinary system is a joke means there is all this appealing and nonsense about "awww they can't miss their big day out in Croke Park". It means fcuk all!! If you break the rules you deserve to get punished!!
Quote from: sawel on February 02, 2012, 09:40:12 AM
I was at the game, and i expected a heavy suspension especially after the Monday radio shows, although i think the pinishment is a little lop sided for each club.
I'ii not dwell on the players suspension, but how they could pick out only 4 subs for suspension and no mentors baffles me.
In all counties the further down the pile u r, u generally get a heaver suspension and so its the case here.
I think the token suspensions and fines that were handed out for the league final in Tyrone were far too light and its having a bearing on this case.
As in most cases an appeal will lift gain some lee-way and i feel that a player or too will get off, but due to the profile there shall be no major shift.
I was always of the opinion that Derrytresk would not be thrown out, regardless of how much Kery shouted, but that Croke Park would leave it extremely difficult for them to won the final
agree with above.
Surprised that so many derrytreask players received suspensions. The subs 'contributed to a melee' more so thought they would bear the brunt. I'd have expected more dromid players to be suspended than derrytreask.
As for those of you asking about any violence after the game - well apart from the handbag swing at Declan osullivan by that female (?) supporter there was none.Certianly none that I saw. Goadng yes but nothing worthy of a yellow card let alone red or suspension.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on February 02, 2012, 09:51:37 AM
Quote from: sawel on February 02, 2012, 09:40:12 AM
I was at the game, and i expected a heavy suspension especially after the Monday radio shows, although i think the pinishment is a little lop sided for each club.
I'ii not dwell on the players suspension, but how they could pick out only 4 subs for suspension and no mentors baffles me.
In all counties the further down the pile u r, u generally get a heaver suspension and so its the case here.
I think the token suspensions and fines that were handed out for the league final in Tyrone were far too light and its having a bearing on this case.
As in most cases an appeal will lift gain some lee-way and i feel that a player or too will get off, but due to the profile there shall be no major shift.
I was always of the opinion that Derrytresk would not be thrown out, regardless of how much Kery shouted, but that Croke Park would leave it extremely difficult for them to won the final
agree with above.
Surprised that so many derrytreask players received suspensions. The subs 'contributed to a melee' more so thought they would bear the brunt. I'd have expected more dromid players to be suspended than derrytreask.
As for those of you asking about any violence after the game - well apart from the handbag swing at Declan osullivan by that female (?) supporter there was none.Certianly none that I saw. Goadng yes but nothing worthy of a yellow card let alone red or suspension.
More Dromid players? In the name of God, why would you say that? Or do you mean more Dromid starters? Quite apart from the other incidents, I thought #11 and #15 deserved a ban, so I'd have had it at 2-2 on the players front, and about 6 subs.
And as mentioned, this does not account for the post match or any other incidents.
Does anyone know the length of the bans? - in my opinion they need to be of at least 6 months to ensure that the guys miss games in the championship. Also, is there any additional investigation to highlight the supporters that came on and give that idiot in the hoodie a life ban.
Another incident reported this morning...this time it is St Mary's Belfast that is involved. According to to the radio there was a high level of abuse of match officials after the game. it did die down but a number of St Mary's players lead by one in particular could not leave it at that and "approached" the referree again. According to the report on the radio it was very ugly.
Hopefully hopefully, the guilty parties, especially the instigator mentioned, will be rooted out and dealt with severely - and I mean 1 year bans for these guys not a few months allowing them back for club championships. GAA people countrywide need this dealt with so that these nutcases dont feel they have carte blanche to behave in a way they wouldnt in other sports or in the outside world.
Independent.ie
Ugly scenes as Mary's exit
By Sigerson cup
Thursday February 02 2012
NUIG 0-6 St Mary's, Belfast 0-5
NUIG goalkeeper Donal O'Sullivan produced a stunning save to deny Michael Stephenson in the dying moments of a controversial clash at Dangan yesterday.
St Mary's 'keeper Niall Morgan's resultant '45' fell short, and referee Sean Carroll blew for full-time.
That prompted an angry response and disgraceful scenes as St Mary's, who were in possession and looked set for an equaliser, launched a tirade at the match officials.
Carroll had dished out six bookings during a competitive, but not especially fractious encounter.
John Maughan's NUIG led by 0-4 to 0-1 at half-time, but had Kieran Conroy sent off for a second yellow card just before the break.
St Mary's fought back, reducing the deficit to a point. But two scores from Neil Douglas restored NUIG's advantage, and although Stephenson and Niall Sludden left just the minimum between the sides with seven minutes to go, St Mary's could not fashion an equaliser.
SCORERS -- NUIG: N Douglas 0-4 (3f), J Doherty, I Galvin 0-1 each. St Mary's, Belfast: B Herron 0-2, P Harte, N Sludden, M Stephenson 0-1 each.
NUIG -- D O'Sullivan; G Sweeney, D Gavin, K McDonald; J Moore, J Maloney, R Kiely; S Guing, S Moran; F Deasmhunaigh, S Gilmartin, K Conroy; N Douglas, J Doherty, I Galvin. Subs: R Rochford for Moore (17), C Griffin for Galvin (42), D Newcombe for Deasmhnaigh (51), K Conlon for Guing (55).
St Mary's, Belfast -- N Morgan; M Slane, M Murray, D McBride; G Teague, E McArdle, C O'Hara; B Doyle, S O'Neill; J Gilmore, B Herron, D McCusker; R Sexton, P Harte, N Sludden. Sub: M Stephenson for Gilmore (42).
Ref -- S Carroll (Westmeath).
- Sigerson cup
think about it - croke park arent stupid enough to ban players for no reason.
they didnt just log onto youtube to sort this out. they had at least 2 full videos to look at - one from each side of the ground.
no.3 is alleged to have done something after the melee.
imo - any players who get off will only get off on a technicality and i guess that's where fergal comes in.
the hill will probably get their fine reduced but that's about it, unless technicalities can be found in relation to the suspensions.
croke park have made it difficult for derrytresk to win the final but not impossible. clonbur are no great shakes. i would have expected a full strength derrytresk side to have won the final by 7-8 points.
when you take into consideration clonbur are missing their full forward then that leaves derrytresk at a disadvantage by 3 players.
there's also a chance clonbur will now be complacent.
if the hill dont feel sorry for themselves and go out and fight for every ball then they still have every chance.
Looks like a lot of Tyrone names on that Ranch team.
Quote from: agorm on February 02, 2012, 10:25:28 AM
Does anyone know the length of the bans? - in my opinion they need to be of at least 6 months to ensure that the guys miss games in the championship. Also, is there any additional investigation to highlight the supporters that came on and give that idiot in the hoodie a life ban.
Another incident reported this morning...this time it is St Mary's Belfast that is involved. According to to the radio there was a high level of abuse of match officials after the game. it did die down but a number of St Mary's players lead by one in particular could not leave it at that and "approached" the referree again. According to the report on the radio it was very ugly.
Hopefully hopefully, the guilty parties, especially the instigator mentioned, will be rooted out and dealt with severely - and I mean 1 year bans for these guys not a few months allowing them back for club championships. GAA people countrywide need this dealt with so that these nutcases dont feel they have carte blanche to behave in a way they wouldnt in other sports or in the outside world.
Independent.ie
Ugly scenes as Mary's exit
By Sigerson cup
Thursday February 02 2012
NUIG 0-6 St Mary's, Belfast 0-5
NUIG goalkeeper Donal O'Sullivan produced a stunning save to deny Michael Stephenson in the dying moments of a controversial clash at Dangan yesterday.
St Mary's 'keeper Niall Morgan's resultant '45' fell short, and referee Sean Carroll blew for full-time.
That prompted an angry response and disgraceful scenes as St Mary's, who were in possession and looked set for an equaliser, launched a tirade at the match officials.
Carroll had dished out six bookings during a competitive, but not especially fractious encounter.
John Maughan's NUIG led by 0-4 to 0-1 at half-time, but had Kieran Conroy sent off for a second yellow card just before the break.
St Mary's fought back, reducing the deficit to a point. But two scores from Neil Douglas restored NUIG's advantage, and although Stephenson and Niall Sludden left just the minimum between the sides with seven minutes to go, St Mary's could not fashion an equaliser.
SCORERS -- NUIG: N Douglas 0-4 (3f), J Doherty, I Galvin 0-1 each. St Mary's, Belfast: B Herron 0-2, P Harte, N Sludden, M Stephenson 0-1 each.
NUIG -- D O'Sullivan; G Sweeney, D Gavin, K McDonald; J Moore, J Maloney, R Kiely; S Guing, S Moran; F Deasmhunaigh, S Gilmartin, K Conroy; N Douglas, J Doherty, I Galvin. Subs: R Rochford for Moore (17), C Griffin for Galvin (42), D Newcombe for Deasmhnaigh (51), K Conlon for Guing (55).
St Mary's, Belfast -- N Morgan; M Slane, M Murray, D McBride; G Teague, E McArdle, C O'Hara; B Doyle, S O'Neill; J Gilmore, B Herron, D McCusker; R Sexton, P Harte, N Sludden. Sub: M Stephenson for Gilmore (42).
Ref -- S Carroll (Westmeath).
- Sigerson cup
Ive seen this ref in action over the yrs, you will never see a more bias ref in your life, the reasons why hes so biased i have my own thoughts, but this man should not be a referee for his own benefit and everyone elses.
Based on the clip that most people have seen, in super slow motion as well, it is easy to identify who and what started the melee. Also any of the subs (if not all of them) who entered the field of play and those players who were involved. Now if you were in possession of the refs report and all relevant video evidence you can apply the relevant sanctions that are set down in the rules.
This is where the problem then starts, there are guidelines that the CCCC use, but no hard and fast rules.People then start to compare to other incidents, solicitors appeal and various spin is put on the whole incident. This is not a Tyrone v Kerry or a North V South thing and should not be allowed to escalate into this. This is a problem that the GAA has and there needs to be a simple set of sanctions in place that cannot be appealed against.
So if we had a guaranteed cast iron ruling that if any subs enter a pitch unauthorised to get involved in a scuffle, then a fine/ban/suspension is forthcoming. Everyone then knows exactly what to expect, clubs take it on the chin and get on with it.
If someone is sited in the refs report then unless they have proof (video) of their innocence or are prepared to name the guilty party (as in case of mistaken identity) then no appeal, again get on with it.Clubs need to buy into the notion of supporting the decisions of the CCCC, in the same way players need to support and respect referees. Sorry just forgot I had my rose tinted specs on
Quote from: ballymac on February 02, 2012, 10:57:21 AM
This is not a Tyrone v Kerry or a North V South thing and should not be allowed to escalate into this.
Tell that to all those ringing joe duffy to tell him of the badness of "N. Ireland GAA supporters" as a collective group. Or tell that to the Crossmaglen Club in the wake of Dr Croke's shameful statement.
not condoning any abuse of the ref, but this is a perfect example of why they should have kept the rule that the ball has to be out of play for t he ref to blow the full time whistle.
that eliminates incidents like this
Quote from: ballymac on February 02, 2012, 10:57:21 AM
Based on the clip that most people have seen, in super slow motion as well, it is easy to identify who and what started the melee. Also any of the subs (if not all of them) who entered the field of play and those players who were involved. Now if you were in possession of the refs report and all relevant video evidence you can apply the relevant sanctions that are set down in the rules.
This is where the problem then starts, there are guidelines that the CCCC use, but no hard and fast rules.People then start to compare to other incidents, solicitors appeal and various spin is put on the whole incident. This is not a Tyrone v Kerry or a North V South thing and should not be allowed to escalate into this. This is a problem that the GAA has and there needs to be a simple set of sanctions in place that cannot be appealed against.
So if we had a guaranteed cast iron ruling that if any subs enter a pitch unauthorised to get involved in a scuffle, then a fine/ban/suspension is forthcoming. Everyone then knows exactly what to expect, clubs take it on the chin and get on with it.
If someone is sited in the refs report then unless they have proof (video) of their innocence or are prepared to name the guilty party (as in case of mistaken identity) then no appeal, again get on with it.Clubs need to buy into the notion of supporting the decisions of the CCCC, in the same way players need to support and respect referees. Sorry just forgot I had my rose tinted specs on
AGree with all that
No apologies for marching in again, banging the drum on this one - we need anti-appeal measures. Fail your appeal and your penalty gets at least doubled. And we need to find a way to cut the lawyers out of the process. I can't see how there's a legal right to legal representation in the affairs of an amateur sport. Even if there is, we should use what we're good at and deploy the nod-and-wink methodology. For a season or two, any lad who turns up with a lawyer gets the book thrown at him - the extreme of every penalty available, whether he's guilty or innocent. Sooner or later lads will figure out that you don't go next or near a lawyer.
Quote from: clarshack on February 02, 2012, 10:30:33 AM
think about it - croke park arent stupid enough to ban players for no reason.
they didnt just log onto youtube to sort this out. they had at least 2 full videos to look at - one from each side of the ground.
no.3 is alleged to have done something after the melee.
imo - any players who get off will only get off on a technicality and i guess that's where fergal comes in.
the hill will probably get their fine reduced but that's about it, unless technicalities can be found in relation to the suspensions.
croke park have made it difficult for derrytresk to win the final but not impossible. clonbur are no great shakes. i would have expected a full strength derrytresk side to have won the final by 7-8 points.
when you take into consideration clonbur are missing their full forward then that leaves derrytresk at a disadvantage by 3 players.
there's also a chance clonbur will now be complacent.
if the hill dont feel sorry for themselves and go out and fight for every ball then they still have every chance.
I think Derrytresk have made it difficult for themselves, irrespective of what Croke park did.
You can't go jumping fences to get into the middle of a row and not expect to be punished.
There's no denying they got a lot more media attention than they expected, but it was an AI semi-final after all, not a league game in the back end of beyond,
He should be indentified and suspended. Some stop has to be put to this shite
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2012/0202/higheredu.html (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2012/0202/higheredu.html)
The Higher Education Council are waiting on the referee's report after ugly scenes followed the Sigerson Cup game between NUIG and St Mary's yesterday in Dangan.
NUIG won by 0-06 to 0-05 in a tight encounter but the full-time whistle sparked huge anger directed at the referee.
St Mary's had the chance to equalise in the dying minutes when goalkeeper Niall Morgan came forward for a 45.
The kick dropped short and referee Sean Carroll blew for full-time.
The St Mary's players appealed that there was 30 seconds remaining.
Journalist John Farrell told Morning Ireland what he witnessed after the game: "Immediately the referee and two of his umpires were surrounded by players and confronted. The verbals were quite liberal to put it mildly. They were just jostled going off the pitch. Unsavoury as it was, it died down as other players and officials got involved to calm matters."
The referee and his officials, along with a couple of hundred supporters, then made their way to the clubhouse.
Fallon added: "That seemed to be the end of it. But the St Mary's players were grouped together and led by one player who said 'hang on, we've put so much into this, lets get him'.
"With that he grabbed a couple of players and took off in the direction of the referee.
"Several players from St Mary's said come back and went after him to calm the scenario. But you had supporters leaving the ground through a narrow laneway and suddenly a posse of players running at a speed as if they were going out on the pitch.
"Thankfully the referee and his officials had got to the clubhouse at that stage. There was a nasty incident at the entrance with six or seven players trying to gain entry.
"There was an awful lot of abuse directed at the referee and with the arrival of some other players and officials and the inability to get into the referees dressing-room, it subsided.
"But for those few moments it was particularly nasty. I think anyone that seen it realises that had this group of players reached the referee while he was making his way (to the clubhouse), which was crowded with supporters, I think that is where the incident could have been infinitely more serious."
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on February 02, 2012, 10:55:16 AM
Quote from: agorm on February 02, 2012, 10:25:28 AM
Ref -- S Carroll (Westmeath).
Ive seen this ref in action over the yrs, you will never see a more bias ref in your life, the reasons why hes so biased i have my own thoughts, but this man should not be a referee for his own benefit and everyone elses.
On yesterday's game, St Marys can have no complaints with the referee whatsoever. He gave out a lot of yellow cards, maybe more than were necessary, but he gave them to both sides and the only player to walk was the NUIG wing forward. (For two justifiable yellows in my opinion).
The only other contentious issue was a free that should have been given to NUIG near the end that would have given them a point and wasn't. As for the final incident on the field, the referee clearly said something to the keeper who was taking the 45, and I heard from a few people afterwards that he was clarifying that this would be the last kick.
I have no idea where they get the idea that there was 30 seconds to go - the 45 was being taken a few seconds short of 33 mins exactly. It's not like there was an announcement or a board saying how many extra minutes were to be played, and it wouldn't be three and a half anyway. To be honest I'd say two was enough, there was only one stoppage and the substitutions were all quick.
On the ref generally, I've seen him a few times now and he's been decent. I was also chatting to a Westmeath journalist immediately after the game and he confirmed that he was good, based on looking at him for years. No disrespect, but how much Westmeath football does one Sligoman see? I'd be amazed if you've seen him do more than three or four games.
Apologies Hardy.
Be calm in arguing; for fierceness makes error a fault, and truth discourtesy.
(George Herbert)
Wisely and slow; they stumble that run fast
R&J (2.3.10)
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 02, 2012, 09:56:36 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on February 02, 2012, 09:51:37 AM
Surprised that so many derrytreask players received suspensions. The subs 'contributed to a melee' more so thought they would bear the brunt. I'd have expected more dromid players to be suspended than derrytreask.
As for those of you asking about any violence after the game - well apart from the handbag swing at Declan osullivan by that female (?) supporter there was none.Certianly none that I saw. Goadng yes but nothing worthy of a yellow card let alone red or suspension.
More Dromid players? In the name of God, why would you say that? Or do you mean more Dromid starters? Quite apart from the other incidents, I thought #11 and #15 deserved a ban, so I'd have had it at 2-2 on the players front, and about 6 subs.
And as mentioned, this does not account for the post match or any other incidents.
there was no post match incidents to merit further punishment for players (or subs) that I witnessed and i'd be fairly sure that I didnt miss anything of note after the final whistle.
I was looking for this !
dromid had four defenders and a midfielder swinging punches and imo deserved censure. thats why.
I'd be hard convinced not to ban the entire derrytreask subs bench.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on February 02, 2012, 11:57:48 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 02, 2012, 09:56:36 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on February 02, 2012, 09:51:37 AM
Surprised that so many derrytreask players received suspensions. The subs 'contributed to a melee' more so thought they would bear the brunt. I'd have expected more dromid players to be suspended than derrytreask.
As for those of you asking about any violence after the game - well apart from the handbag swing at Declan osullivan by that female (?) supporter there was none.Certianly none that I saw. Goadng yes but nothing worthy of a yellow card let alone red or suspension.
More Dromid players? In the name of God, why would you say that? Or do you mean more Dromid starters? Quite apart from the other incidents, I thought #11 and #15 deserved a ban, so I'd have had it at 2-2 on the players front, and about 6 subs.
And as mentioned, this does not account for the post match or any other incidents.
there was no post match incidents to merit further punishment for players (or subs) that I witnessed and i'd be fairly sure that I didnt miss anything of note after the final whistle.
I was looking for this !
dromid had four defenders and a midfielder swinging punches and imo deserved censure. thats why.
I'd be hard convinced not to ban the entire derrytreask subs bench.
I think you're way off base, but then again Croke Park seem to agree with me, so maybe you're spot on :D
Well what can one say about these bans. I have not commented on this skirmish at all so here goes.
I like just about every poster here have no issue about the subs being banned for entering the field of play. I am also prepared to accept the players being banned based on possibility of evidence from another video which the CCCC may have seen.
I do have reservations about the balance and fairness of this outcome. Let's be clear, the punishment is severe because of the actions of the subs and partly because of the Dromid team's reaction in the media. I have watched the video many times and there is a lot of pushing and pulling but very few punches. In my opinion the punishment is also sever because this is a small rural club with very little clout at either county or national level.
We have seen in the past how the GAA have ignored their own rules when it suited them and my main issue is how will the GAA move on from this? What will happen when two senior clubs or counties have melee in the middle of a televised game and loads of punches are thrown? How many players will we see banned? This also will put to an end the old argument about banning players after a semi-final, because from now on let there be no exceptions to banned players being able by any means to play in a final, or letting the fact that they are missing the biggest game of their live sway decisions.
If Dromid and Derrytresk are the turning point I'm sure they would accept the consequences of their actions and move on. However, only time will tell if Derrytresk players are to be made scapegoats, to appease a rampant media driven by some elements in the GAA its self or if this is justice being done. The next outbreak of violence will tell the tail.
Quote from: ONeill on February 02, 2012, 11:35:56 AM
Apologies Hardy.
Good God! I hope you'll be yourself again soon.
Like i said earlier, if the rule change about only blowing the final whistle when the ball was out of play was kept then there could be no issue here.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on February 02, 2012, 12:34:34 PM
Like i said earlier, if the rule change about only blowing the final whistle when the ball was out of play was kept then there could be no issue here.
There was no issue here, other than how the Ranch lads reacted. The ref blew the final whistle when the 45m kick was in the air, once it was clear that it wasn't going to come close to going over the bar, which appears to be exactly what he told the kicker he was going to do. How can this be an issue?
I suppose if the rest of the players didn't realise this, it would have caused a bit of anger.
Quote from: Sandino on February 02, 2012, 12:01:15 PM
If Dromid and Derrytresk are the turning point I'm sure they would accept the consequences of their actions and move on. However, only time will tell if Derrytresk players are to be made scapegoats, to appease a rampant media driven by some elements in the GAA its self or if this is justice being done. The next outbreak of violence will tell the tail.
Not so sure, but agree totally with your original post. Will we have a problem with Crokes and Cross?
Quote from: Tubberman on February 02, 2012, 08:59:54 AM
(Northern) Lads, ye were all posting here about Dromid not taking their beating, that they were whinging and making a scene.
Seems fairly hypocritical now when you are all up in arms whinging about the suspensions that have been handed down to Derrytresk. Suck it up.
Does this make any sense? u trying to say taking a beating in the meeting room is the same as on the pitch? wise up
By the way, i hope if the lads that deserved it, got it, and would hate too see anyone get off on a technicality. But if a man is done in the wrong, then that's a different story.
Have the lads not being named yet who got the bans? who are the 4 starters?
Quote from: Lone Shark on February 02, 2012, 12:40:22 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on February 02, 2012, 12:34:34 PM
Like i said earlier, if the rule change about only blowing the final whistle when the ball was out of play was kept then there could be no issue here.
There was no issue here, other than how the Ranch lads reacted. The ref blew the final whistle when the 45m kick was in the air, once it was clear that it wasn't going to come close to going over the bar, which appears to be exactly what he told the kicker he was going to do. How can this be an issue?
I just feel that a referee shouldnt be able to blow the full time /half time whistle with the ball dropping into the square.
The ball having to be dead, would make the issue black and white, with no room for complaints from anyone
For those who reckon that these fines and bans were too much for the clubs involved, what would they suggest?
i actually think they got off lightly, gaa is now all over you tube in the wrong light, the whole world is watching it, so anything that will attempt to deter people can only be a good thing.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on February 02, 2012, 01:51:31 PM
Quote from: Lone Shark on February 02, 2012, 12:40:22 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on February 02, 2012, 12:34:34 PM
Like i said earlier, if the rule change about only blowing the final whistle when the ball was out of play was kept then there could be no issue here.
There was no issue here, other than how the Ranch lads reacted. The ref blew the final whistle when the 45m kick was in the air, once it was clear that it wasn't going to come close to going over the bar, which appears to be exactly what he told the kicker he was going to do. How can this be an issue?
I just feel that a referee shouldnt be able to blow the full time /half time whistle with the ball dropping into the square.
The ball having to be dead, would make the issue black and white, with no room for complaints from anyone
Maybe so, but it's purely hypothetical and in no way justifies the St Marys reaction here. There would be other problems with that rule and maybe if it was in place, we'd be talking about teams scoring eight minutes into injury time after taking six minutes to move the ball from one end of the field to the other. God knows it looked like that's what Marys were at for spells yesterday.
Onion Bag, that's the nail on the head.
I would like to see one proposal for punishment from Derrytresk's point of view that they would consider appropriate. And I'd like them to explain why it is appropriate.
Quote from: Lone Shark on February 02, 2012, 02:09:28 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on February 02, 2012, 01:51:31 PM
Quote from: Lone Shark on February 02, 2012, 12:40:22 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on February 02, 2012, 12:34:34 PM
Like i said earlier, if the rule change about only blowing the final whistle when the ball was out of play was kept then there could be no issue here.
There was no issue here, other than how the Ranch lads reacted. The ref blew the final whistle when the 45m kick was in the air, once it was clear that it wasn't going to come close to going over the bar, which appears to be exactly what he told the kicker he was going to do. How can this be an issue?
I just feel that a referee shouldnt be able to blow the full time /half time whistle with the ball dropping into the square.
The ball having to be dead, would make the issue black and white, with no room for complaints from anyone
Maybe so, but it's purely hypothetical and in no way justifies the St Marys reaction here. There would be other problems with that rule and maybe if it was in place, we'd be talking about teams scoring eight minutes into injury time after taking six minutes to move the ball from one end of the field to the other. God knows it looked like that's what Marys were at for spells yesterday.
i am in no way trying to justiy the St. Marys reaction. I suppose the point i am making is a wee bit off topic, I just feel it works well in rugby. if they can keep the ball for 8 minutes, then fair play to them!The oppostion would know what is required for the game to finish, force them into shooting, or turn them over and kick the ball out of play.
Quote from: Onion Bag on February 02, 2012, 01:56:19 PM
For those who reckon that these fines and bans were too much for the clubs involved, what would they suggest?
i actually think they got off lightly, gaa is now all over you tube in the wrong light, the whole world is watching it, so anything that will attempt to deter people can only be a good thing.
Who released the video into the public domain? Shouldnt they get some sort of ban for bringing the game into disrepute? The reason why this story has become such a media junket is because of the ill grace of the team that lost the game. There are many examples of worse behaviour than what happened that day which have led to less or no suspensions and until the GAA has a consistent approach to these incidents they will continue to happen. Slapping a few suspensions willy nilly on a small club on the cusp of an all ireland final is not going to deter anyone in the future. Good luck to Derrytresk in the final - hope they can pull it off against all the odds!
BennyHarp, you're off your head.
The reason why this story has become a "media junket" is because recorded evidence exists and therefore hearsay and opinion are not relevant; the facts are in front of us. The reason why the punishments were handed out is because recorded evidence exists, and the GAA had a rare opportunity to act upon mass unruly behaviour.
Do what you like in any sport if that's how you like to play it - but just don't get caught. Derrytresk got caught, and that's the bottom line.
Paranoia is rife in our sport.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 02, 2012, 02:38:53 PM
Who released the video into the public domain? Shouldnt they get some sort of ban for bringing the game into disrepute? The reason why this story has become such a media junket is because of the ill grace of the team that lost the game. There are many examples of worse behaviour than what happened that day which have led to less or no suspensions and until the GAA has a consistent approach to these incidents they will continue to happen. Slapping a few suspensions willy nilly on a small club on the cusp of an all ireland final is not going to deter anyone in the future. Good luck to Derrytresk in the final - hope they can pull it off against all the odds!
Take a minute and think how ridiculous that sounds. That showing footage from a game is "bringing the game into disrepute". Blame the whistleblowers, in other words.
Anyway, how is the GAA supposed to have a consistent approach if they don't start somewhere? If they stick to their guns here, it'll be a lot easier to make the next one stick, whereas constantly going lightly on teams means the cycle will never be broken.
And whatever else, there is no way any suspensions here were "willy nilly". Everyone involved in the CCCC knew before they started here that no matter what they did, it would be appealed. They're not going to suspend someone without evidence - whether that evidence is the referee's report, video footage we haven't seen, or whatever.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 02, 2012, 02:38:53 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on February 02, 2012, 01:56:19 PM
For those who reckon that these fines and bans were too much for the clubs involved, what would they suggest?
i actually think they got off lightly, gaa is now all over you tube in the wrong light, the whole world is watching it, so anything that will attempt to deter people can only be a good thing.
Who released the video into the public domain? Shouldnt they get some sort of ban for bringing the game into disrepute? The reason why this story has become such a media junket is because of the ill grace of the team that lost the game.
In fairness it was all over the papers the Monday morning after the game and all over Joe Duffy later that afternoon. Both long before Dromid said anything.
Quote from: Lone Shark on February 02, 2012, 02:47:51 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 02, 2012, 02:38:53 PM
Who released the video into the public domain? Shouldnt they get some sort of ban for bringing the game into disrepute? The reason why this story has become such a media junket is because of the ill grace of the team that lost the game. There are many examples of worse behaviour than what happened that day which have led to less or no suspensions and until the GAA has a consistent approach to these incidents they will continue to happen. Slapping a few suspensions willy nilly on a small club on the cusp of an all ireland final is not going to deter anyone in the future. Good luck to Derrytresk in the final - hope they can pull it off against all the odds!
Take a minute and think how ridiculous that sounds. That showing footage from a game is "bringing the game into disrepute". Blame the whistleblowers, in other words.
Anyway, how is the GAA supposed to have a consistent approach if they don't start somewhere? If they stick to their guns here, it'll be a lot easier to make the next one stick, whereas constantly going lightly on teams means the cycle will never be broken.
And whatever else, there is no way any suspensions here were "willy nilly". Everyone involved in the CCCC knew before they started here that no matter what they did, it would be appealed. They're not going to suspend someone without evidence - whether that evidence is the referee's report, video footage we haven't seen, or whatever.
Of course i know its ridiculous - but it was in direct response to the the equally ridiculous point that this is somehow made worse and suspensions were light because it was "all over Youtube"
And i will wait and see if this is now the consistent repsone from the GAA.
Dromid let themselves down really badly throughout the whole affair.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 02, 2012, 02:48:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 02, 2012, 02:38:53 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on February 02, 2012, 01:56:19 PM
For those who reckon that these fines and bans were too much for the clubs involved, what would they suggest?
i actually think they got off lightly, gaa is now all over you tube in the wrong light, the whole world is watching it, so anything that will attempt to deter people can only be a good thing.
Who released the video into the public domain? Shouldnt they get some sort of ban for bringing the game into disrepute? The reason why this story has become such a media junket is because of the ill grace of the team that lost the game.
In fairness it was all over the papers the Monday morning after the game and all over Joe Duffy later that afternoon. Both long before Dromid said anything.
In all fairness Dromid were weeping and wailing straight after the game as well as the day and days after it
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 02, 2012, 02:53:04 PM
And i will wait and see if this is now the consistent repsone from the GAA.
I'd like to think that in situations where there is clear and illuminating evidence, and not an omerta of silence from those involved and a complete lack of eye witnesses, it will be.
Quote from: NAG1 on February 02, 2012, 02:53:30 PM
Dromid let themselves down really badly throughout the whole affair.
I said before some Dromid people will not be too proud of their contributions afterwards, but the ones who let themselves down badly were not Dromid, it was the Derrytresk Subs and Supporters who came onto a football field when they had absolutely no right to be there at the time, especially when you consider the purpose of their 'incursion'.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 02, 2012, 02:48:35 PM
In fairness it was all over the papers the Monday morning after the game and all over Joe Duffy later that afternoon. Both long before Dromid said anything.
Eh?? The Indo report on the Monday morning following the game read like a Kerry local paper report. Not one mention of any Derrytresk player, despite the fact that they won the game well.
QuoteDerrytresk (Tyrone) 1-10 Dromid Pearses (Kerry) 0-7
VIOLENT scenes marred yesterday's clash between Derrytresk and Dromid Pearses as the Ulster men progressed to the All-Ireland final.
A mass brawl just before the interval, which saw a number of officials and substitutes from both sides enter the field of play at Portlaoise, left Dromid midfielder Thomas Curran concussed and unable to come out for the second half.
At that stage, the Tyrone side led by the minimum (0-4 to 0-3) but they underlined their dominance in the second half with the impressive Niall Gavin helping himself to five points in that period.
The Kerrymen finished with 13 men and there were more unsavoury scenes at the final whistle when county star Declan O'Sullivan was struck with a handbag and then by a Derrytresk supporter as he left the field. Dromid selector and county board officer Diarmuid O Se afterwards called for an investigation.
"While Derrytresk beat us comprehensively on the day, I thought that some of the scenes out there were some of the most disgraceful I have ever witnessed at a football game," he said. "I cannot understand how the GAA can allow this to happen. There was no security there today for our players.
"Declan O'Sullivan got struck by a handbag and was struck by a Derrytresk supporter as well. That was seen by a steward and the gardai have it documented but I don't think Declan will be doing anything about it.
"The GAA have video evidence available and maybe it's time to use it."
SCORERS -- Derrytresk: N Gavin 0-6 (4f), J McKee 1-1, M Rea 0-2 (1f), C O'Neill 0-1; Dromid: T Curran, Declan O'Sullivan (1f) 0-2 each, M Sheehan, C O'Connor, N O'Shea 0-1 each.
DERRYTRESK -- A Quinn; S Slater, K Campbell, C Corr; E Rea, C O'Neill, J Dillon; C Gavin, R O'Neill; M Robinson, J McKee, C O'Neill; N Gavin, K Quinn, M Rea. Subs: P Kilpatrick for Gavin (56), G Devlin for Dillon (56).
DROMID -- A Hogan; P O'Sullivan, Dominic O'Sullivan, Donal O'Sullivan; Denis Shine O'Sullivan, K O'Shea, M Sheehan; C O'Connor, T Curran; A O'Sullivan, Declan O'Sullivan, A O'Connor; E O'Leary, N O'Shea, G O'Sullivan. Subs: M O'Shea for Curran (30), C Hallisey for G O'Sullivan (36), C Farley for E O'Leary (42).
REF -- F Flynn (Leitrim)
Irish Independent
Quote from: cornafean on February 02, 2012, 03:28:12 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 02, 2012, 02:48:35 PM
In fairness it was all over the papers the Monday morning after the game and all over Joe Duffy later that afternoon. Both long before Dromid said anything.
Eh?? The Indo report on the Monday morning following the game read like a Kerry local paper report. Not one mention of any Derrytresk player, despite the fact that they won the game well.
QuoteDerrytresk (Tyrone) 1-10 Dromid Pearses (Kerry) 0-7
VIOLENT scenes marred yesterday's clash between Derrytresk and Dromid Pearses as the Ulster men progressed to the All-Ireland final.
A mass brawl just before the interval, which saw a number of officials and substitutes from both sides enter the field of play at Portlaoise, left Dromid midfielder Thomas Curran concussed and unable to come out for the second half.
At that stage, the Tyrone side led by the minimum (0-4 to 0-3) but they underlined their dominance in the second half with the impressive Niall Gavin helping himself to five points in that period.
The Kerrymen finished with 13 men and there were more unsavoury scenes at the final whistle when county star Declan O'Sullivan was struck with a handbag and then by a Derrytresk supporter as he left the field. Dromid selector and county board officer Diarmuid O Se afterwards called for an investigation.
"While Derrytresk beat us comprehensively on the day, I thought that some of the scenes out there were some of the most disgraceful I have ever witnessed at a football game," he said. "I cannot understand how the GAA can allow this to happen. There was no security there today for our players.
"Declan O'Sullivan got struck by a handbag and was struck by a Derrytresk supporter as well. That was seen by a steward and the gardai have it documented but I don't think Declan will be doing anything about it.
"The GAA have video evidence available and maybe it's time to use it."
SCORERS -- Derrytresk: N Gavin 0-6 (4f), J McKee 1-1, M Rea 0-2 (1f), C O'Neill 0-1; Dromid: T Curran, Declan O'Sullivan (1f) 0-2 each, M Sheehan, C O'Connor, N O'Shea 0-1 each.
DERRYTRESK -- A Quinn; S Slater, K Campbell, C Corr; E Rea, C O'Neill, J Dillon; C Gavin, R O'Neill; M Robinson, J McKee, C O'Neill; N Gavin, K Quinn, M Rea. Subs: P Kilpatrick for Gavin (56), G Devlin for Dillon (56).
DROMID -- A Hogan; P O'Sullivan, Dominic O'Sullivan, Donal O'Sullivan; Denis Shine O'Sullivan, K O'Shea, M Sheehan; C O'Connor, T Curran; A O'Sullivan, Declan O'Sullivan, A O'Connor; E O'Leary, N O'Shea, G O'Sullivan. Subs: M O'Shea for Curran (30), C Hallisey for G O'Sullivan (36), C Farley for E O'Leary (42).
REF -- F Flynn (Leitrim)
Irish Independent
Derrytresk player mentioned here....
At that stage, the Tyrone side led by the minimum (0-4 to 0-3) but they underlined their dominance in the second half with the impressive Niall Gavin helping himself to five points in that period.Obviously the main thrust was going to be about the scenes, and they even got the bit in bold wrong, because Dromid led at the time of the row, I'm sure.
Quote from: cornafean on February 02, 2012, 03:28:12 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 02, 2012, 02:48:35 PM
In fairness it was all over the papers the Monday morning after the game and all over Joe Duffy later that afternoon. Both long before Dromid said anything.
Eh?? The Indo report on the Monday morning following the game read like a Kerry local paper report. Not one mention of any Derrytresk player, despite the fact that they won the game well.
The Indo is a national newspaper, they reported the newsworthy element.
Two weeks later, and the thread discussing the ruckus at the match is 45 pages long. There is no mention on this board that I can see of Clonbur vs Ballivor, Milltown Castlemaine vs Craigbane, Davitts vs Eire Óg, or any of the four junior and intermediate hurling semis that went on that weekend. What does that tell you about what was newsworthy - the result, or the row?
Maybe it shouldn't be the case, but an All Ireland JFC semi is really only of interest to real anoraks or those with connections to one of the clubs involved.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 02, 2012, 02:38:53 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on February 02, 2012, 01:56:19 PM
For those who reckon that these fines and bans were too much for the clubs involved, what would they suggest?
i actually think they got off lightly, gaa is now all over you tube in the wrong light, the whole world is watching it, so anything that will attempt to deter people can only be a good thing.
Who released the video into the public domain? Shouldnt they get some sort of ban for bringing the game into disrepute? The reason why this story has become such a media junket is because of the ill grace of the team that lost the game. There are many examples of worse behaviour than what happened that day which have led to less or no suspensions and until the GAA has a consistent approach to these incidents they will continue to happen. Slapping a few suspensions willy nilly on a small club on the cusp of an all ireland final is not going to deter anyone in the future. Good luck to Derrytresk in the final - hope they can pull it off against all the odds!
Benny, what do you think would be appropriate punishment?
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 02, 2012, 02:38:53 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on February 02, 2012, 01:56:19 PM
For those who reckon that these fines and bans were too much for the clubs involved, what would they suggest?
i actually think they got off lightly, gaa is now all over you tube in the wrong light, the whole world is watching it, so anything that will attempt to deter people can only be a good thing.
Who released the video into the public domain? Shouldnt they get some sort of ban for bringing the game into disrepute? The reason why this story has become such a media junket is because of the ill grace of the team that lost the game. There are many examples of worse behaviour than what happened that day which have led to less or no suspensions and until the GAA has a consistent approach to these incidents they will continue to happen. Slapping a few suspensions willy nilly on a small club on the cusp of an all ireland final is not going to deter anyone in the future. Good luck to Derrytresk in the final - hope they can pull it off against all the odds!
:D some statement
Onion bag - I think that if going by the video evidence there is no way 4 starting players from Derrytresk should have been suspended and I certainly don't think that just because it was shown on YouTube that the suspensions should be any lengthier like you suggested earlier. However, I think that the subs identified can be banned for as long as the rules allow.
Eddie D - I was making that point to show the ridiculousness of an earlier post - keep up!
Complaints rolling in again after Derrytresk players and supporters take a mid week break in Egypt.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 02, 2012, 04:58:05 PM
Onion bag - I think that if going by the video evidence there is no way 4 starting players from Derrytresk should have been suspended and I certainly don't think that just because it was shown on YouTube that the suspensions should be any lengthier like you suggested earlier. However, I think that the subs identified can be banned for as long as the rules allow.
Eddie D - I was making that point to show the ridiculousness of an earlier post - keep up!
yeah i know, what was so ridicloious about the other post tho?
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 02, 2012, 04:58:05 PM
Onion bag - I think that if going by the video evidence there is no way 4 starting players from Derrytresk should have been suspended and I certainly don't think that just because it was shown on YouTube that the suspensions should be any lengthier like you suggested earlier. However, I think that the subs identified can be banned for as long as the rules allow.
Eddie D - I was making that point to show the ridiculousness of an earlier post - keep up!
Some here on the board have watched this 100's of times, i have watched it a couple of times, from what i see all the subs that entered the playing area should have been banned, as for the 4 starting players i cant say but they werent banned for saying their prayers.
As for the spectators, i would publicly name and shame and ban them for all grounds
Just to add a bit of light hearted humour to the subject, we had a suspension overturned on appeal as the referee put down in his report that our player struck with a hurl. Considering it was a football match, one would think the suspension would have been longer than a month :D. For the record the our player was unjustly sent off and the opposition even wrote a letter to say so. However the technicality was the only chance of justice. Anyone else no any other cases of ridiculous technicalities?
Quote from: HiMucker on February 03, 2012, 10:36:40 AM
Just to add a bit of light hearted humour to the subject, we had a suspension overturned on appeal as the referee put down in his report that our player struck with a hurl. Considering it was a football match, one would think the suspension would have been longer than a month :D. For the record the our player was unjustly sent off and the opposition even wrote a letter to say so. However the technicality was the only chance of justice. Anyone else no any other cases of ridiculous technicalities?
Jebus, the GAA has serious issues.
Quote from: muppet on February 03, 2012, 10:52:58 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on February 03, 2012, 10:36:40 AM
Just to add a bit of light hearted humour to the subject, we had a suspension overturned on appeal as the referee put down in his report that our player struck with a hurl. Considering it was a football match, one would think the suspension would have been longer than a month :D. For the record the our player was unjustly sent off and the opposition even wrote a letter to say so. However the technicality was the only chance of justice. Anyone else no any other cases of ridiculous technicalities?
Jebus, the GAA has serious issues.
I have never seen a referees report but I can only assume he ticked the wrong box.
The Derrytresk supporter who hit Kerry and Dromid Pearses star Declan O'Sullivan with a handbag during last month's controversial All-Ireland club JFC semi-final has been banned from attending games for a year.
The CCCC has proposed a 48-week ban for the woman who attacked O'Sullivan after the ill-tempered clash, which was marred by a massive brawl. The GAA's disciplinary body is also expected to take action against a number of other supporters who became involved in the disgraceful scenes at O'Moore Park a fortnight ago.
Eight Derrytresk players, including Kevin Campbell, Sean Slater, Michael Robinson and Joe McKee who started the game, will have their appeals against eight-week suspensions heard by the Central Hearings Committee tomorrow night in a bid to be cleared to play in next Sunday's All-Ireland final against Naomh Padraig of Galway.
The Derrytresk supporter who hit Kerry and Dromid Pearses star Declan O'Sullivan with a handbag during last month's controversial All-Ireland club JFC semi-final has been banned from attending games for a year.
Who is she and how will she identified by stewards? How effective is this ban? I bet she is there with a bigger handbag at the final.
Why is she not named?
Quote from: ballymac on February 06, 2012, 01:20:56 PM
The Derrytresk supporter who hit Kerry and Dromid Pearses star Declan O'Sullivan with a handbag during last month's controversial All-Ireland club JFC semi-final has been banned from attending games for a year.
Who is she and how will she identified by stewards? How effective is this ban? I bet she is there with a bigger handbag at the final.
I always wondered about that too. How is a ban like this enforced?
All she has to do is buy a different handbag :D :D
Apparently she is considering taking legal action against Dromid for slander after they released this statement .
"Their supporters had no class. One women had the audacity to strike Declan O Sullivan with a fake Gucci hand bag. We know it was fake as we got Paul Galvin to analyse the footage"
As a show of solidarity, all the Derrytresk fans will be carrying handbags in Croke Park.
From the hoganstand website
Dromid unable to pay fine
The Dromid Pearses GAA club has stated that they are unable to pay a fine imposed on them.
The monies owed is a result of the investigation launched after a mass braw involving the Kerry club and Tyrone outfit Derrytresk in the All-Ireland club JFC semi final at Portlaoise.
Derrytresk were handed a €5,000 fine and had eight players suspended, while Dromid were handed a €2,000 and four of their players were suspended.
However, Dromid chairman Michael Sheehan told the Irish Independent that in the current economic climate, raising such money was not easy.
"Every club in the country knows how hard fundraising is in the current economic climate," said Dromid Pearses chairman Michael Sheehan.
"For a small club like ours to be hit with such a big fine, that is going to be extremely hard for us," he said. "We will leave it up to the players involved to decide whether they want to appeal their suspensions, so we need to talk to them first and see what they want to do," he added.
Cant pay there fine!!!!!!!They need a new manager as well as micheal anthony o'connell never going back to another match, as derrytresk did not get threw out.... feckin voilin time...... dry your bulbs ffs!!!!!!!!!! sick a listen too them yapping at this stage.....
It raises the interesting point though, what happens if a club refuses to pay the fine? There is no enforceablity I would imagine but would the GAA ban a club for non payment of a fine?
Tommy Gorman did a report from Derrytresk this morning on Morning Ireland. I thought that it was a very one sided interview in which Derrytresk got an airing to say how shocked they were at the suspensions and how badly they had been treated. No mention of any remorse at the thuggery that they played their part in. All we got was a lament about how retired players were now back on the panel. Perhaps if the club had better standards of discipline and behaviour this wouldnt be the case.
The chairman of the club said that they had expected a few subs to be suspended - I forget the exact phrase he used. He didnt seem to think any of the on-field players should have been suspended. Tommy didnt point out any of the issues such as how he could justify ANY of the subs that jumped the fence not getting a suspension. Tommy was up in their grounds and didnt want to rock the boat and gave an easy interview. Is that what we are paying Tommy €250k per annum for?
It was laughable listening to the chairman saying how some of their club members were crying when the ruling came down from Croke Park. I am sure some of the players that were on the receiving end of some additional "treatment" before the game are feeling sorry for them after that interview.
I am all for fair play and sportmanship in all sports. With all the talk about thuggery in the GAA recently I am surprised that there has been no mention of the Ciaran Mckeever act during the Cork game. [a serious coward in my book] and also the Kildare goalkeeper hitting Peter harte in the head with his knee when he had absolutely no need to do so.
was a dirty act alright by mckeever, though i thought the kildare goalie didn't mean any harm, i'm sure it was an accident.
Surely that kildare comment is a wind up?
Quote from: agorm on February 07, 2012, 10:35:19 AM
Tommy Gorman did a report from Derrytresk this morning on Morning Ireland. I thought that it was a very one sided interview in which Derrytresk got an airing to say how shocked they were at the suspensions and how badly they had been treated. No mention of any remorse at the thuggery that they played their part in. All we got was a lament about how retired players were now back on the panel. Perhaps if the club had better standards of discipline and behaviour this wouldnt be the case.
The chairman of the club said that they had expected a few subs to be suspended - I forget the exact phrase he used. He didnt seem to think any of the on-field players should have been suspended. Tommy didnt point out any of the issues such as how he could justify ANY of the subs that jumped the fence not getting a suspension. Tommy was up in their grounds and didnt want to rock the boat and gave an easy interview. Is that what we are paying Tommy €250k per annum for?
It was laughable listening to the chairman saying how some of their club members were crying when the ruling came down from Croke Park. I am sure some of the players that were on the receiving end of some additional "treatment" before the game are feeling sorry for them after that interview.
Derrytresk might have more to say after sunday on a few matters from what i hear.
Quote from: bigtogs on February 07, 2012, 01:23:31 PM
Quote from: agorm on February 07, 2012, 10:35:19 AM
Tommy Gorman did a report from Derrytresk this morning on Morning Ireland. I thought that it was a very one sided interview in which Derrytresk got an airing to say how shocked they were at the suspensions and how badly they had been treated. No mention of any remorse at the thuggery that they played their part in. All we got was a lament about how retired players were now back on the panel. Perhaps if the club had better standards of discipline and behaviour this wouldnt be the case.
The chairman of the club said that they had expected a few subs to be suspended - I forget the exact phrase he used. He didnt seem to think any of the on-field players should have been suspended. Tommy didnt point out any of the issues such as how he could justify ANY of the subs that jumped the fence not getting a suspension. Tommy was up in their grounds and didnt want to rock the boat and gave an easy interview. Is that what we are paying Tommy €250k per annum for?
It was laughable listening to the chairman saying how some of their club members were crying when the ruling came down from Croke Park. I am sure some of the players that were on the receiving end of some additional "treatment" before the game are feeling sorry for them after that interview.
Derrytresk might have more to say after sunday on a few matters from what i hear.
by the way where you at the game?
Quote from: agorm on February 07, 2012, 10:35:19 AM
Tommy Gorman did a report from Derrytresk this morning on Morning Ireland. I thought that it was a very one sided interview in which Derrytresk got an airing to say how shocked they were at the suspensions and how badly they had been treated. No mention of any remorse at the thuggery that they played their part in. All we got was a lament about how retired players were now back on the panel. Perhaps if the club had better standards of discipline and behaviour this wouldnt be the case.
The chairman of the club said that they had expected a few subs to be suspended - I forget the exact phrase he used. He didnt seem to think any of the on-field players should have been suspended. Tommy didnt point out any of the issues such as how he could justify ANY of the subs that jumped the fence not getting a suspension. Tommy was up in their grounds and didnt want to rock the boat and gave an easy interview. Is that what we are paying Tommy €250k per annum for?
It was laughable listening to the chairman saying how some of their club members were crying when the ruling came down from Croke Park. I am sure some of the players that were on the receiving end of some additional "treatment" before the game are feeling sorry for them after that interview.
To be fair to both Dromid and Derrytresk there was a schmozzle at the Armagh match on Sunday which ended with two yellow cards, it was as bad as the Dromid/D'tresk one or not as the case may be. The only difference was thae absense of subs and supporters. I think a fine and suspensions for the subs would have suffuced as it could be deemed the ref had dealt with the on field players.
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 07, 2012, 03:00:34 PM
Quote from: agorm on February 07, 2012, 10:35:19 AM
Tommy Gorman did a report from Derrytresk this morning on Morning Ireland. I thought that it was a very one sided interview in which Derrytresk got an airing to say how shocked they were at the suspensions and how badly they had been treated. No mention of any remorse at the thuggery that they played their part in. All we got was a lament about how retired players were now back on the panel. Perhaps if the club had better standards of discipline and behaviour this wouldnt be the case.
The chairman of the club said that they had expected a few subs to be suspended - I forget the exact phrase he used. He didnt seem to think any of the on-field players should have been suspended. Tommy didnt point out any of the issues such as how he could justify ANY of the subs that jumped the fence not getting a suspension. Tommy was up in their grounds and didnt want to rock the boat and gave an easy interview. Is that what we are paying Tommy €250k per annum for?
It was laughable listening to the chairman saying how some of their club members were crying when the ruling came down from Croke Park. I am sure some of the players that were on the receiving end of some additional "treatment" before the game are feeling sorry for them after that interview.
To be fair to both Dromid and Derrytresk there was a schmozzle at the Armagh match on Sunday which ended with two yellow cards, it was as bad as the Dromid/D'tresk one or not as the case may be. The only difference was thae absense of subs and supporters. I think a fine and suspensions for the subs would have suffuced as it could be deemed the ref had dealt with the on field players.
But sure that's the whole point, Apples. The involvement of subs and supporters was what made this case serious and gave rise to the need for severe sanctions. It's a whole different world to a few lads throwing shapes on the field. That'll always happen and the standard sanctions are adequate for the most part. But you have to throw the book when you have subs off the bench, spectators over the fence and ouldwans with handbags running amok.
Quote from: FERDIE on February 07, 2012, 11:40:29 AM
I am all for fair play and sportmanship in all sports. With all the talk about thuggery in the GAA recently I am surprised that there has been no mention of the Ciaran Mckeever act during the Cork game. [a serious coward in my book] and also the Kildare goalkeeper hitting Peter harte in the head with his knee when he had absolutely no need to do so.
That was an accidental collusion to the head. No-one else I've spoke to, has thought otherwise.
Quote from: FERDIE on February 07, 2012, 11:40:29 AM
I am all for fair play and sportmanship in all sports. With all the talk about thuggery in the GAA recently I am surprised that there has been no mention of the Ciaran Mckeever act during the Cork game. [a serious coward in my book] and also the Kildare goalkeeper hitting Peter harte in the head with his knee when he had absolutely no need to do so.
Maybe keepers should have to stay on the line and keep one foot on the ground at all times. ::)
Was just reading the sports section of the Western People (Mayo newspaper). Apparently a rugby match between ballina and Tuam was abandoned after the ref couldn't stop an all our brawl on the pitch. I must of missed the nationwide coverage of this and the queues of pundits lining up to give their condemnation. Maybe it only applies to GAA matches, bit like the outcry over alcohol companies sponsoring GAA tournaments.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 07, 2012, 09:24:40 PM
Was just reading the sports section of the Western People (Mayo newspaper). Apparently a rugby match between ballina and Tuam was abandoned after the ref couldn't stop an all our brawl on the pitch.
Jaysus Tuam and Ballina on a rugby field together. Surprised the riot squad wasn't present.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 07, 2012, 09:53:17 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 07, 2012, 09:24:40 PM
Was just reading the sports section of the Western People (Mayo newspaper). Apparently a rugby match between ballina and Tuam was abandoned after the ref couldn't stop an all our brawl on the pitch.
Jaysus Tuam and Ballina on a rugby field together. Surprised the riot squad wasn't present.
:D Surprised at that, the lads from The Quay are supposed to be the yuppies of the town....
Quote from: ballinaman on February 07, 2012, 10:08:45 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 07, 2012, 09:53:17 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 07, 2012, 09:24:40 PM
Was just reading the sports section of the Western People (Mayo newspaper). Apparently a rugby match between ballina and Tuam was abandoned after the ref couldn't stop an all our brawl on the pitch.
Jaysus Tuam and Ballina on a rugby field together. Surprised the riot squad wasn't present.
:D Surprised at that, the lads from The Quay are supposed to be the yuppies of the town....
Scrumbags.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 07, 2012, 09:24:40 PM
Was just reading the sports section of the Western People (Mayo newspaper). Apparently a rugby match between ballina and Tuam was abandoned after the ref couldn't stop an all our brawl on the pitch. I must of missed the nationwide coverage of this and the queues of pundits lining up to give their condemnation. Maybe it only applies to GAA matches, bit like the outcry over alcohol companies sponsoring GAA tournaments.
A bit sensitive here methinks.
I know of several all out brawls in GAA that did not result in nationwide media coverage. What was particularly different with Derrytresk/ Dromid is that it was
televised. If you have some evidence that there are just as many brawls in rugby as GAA then maybe share with us.
Also, the reports yeterday in relation to alcohol sponsorship only mentioned sports and did not mention GAA - the ones i saw anyway.
Tyrone players again..........
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/oneill-ban-gives-harte-headache-3012699.html?service=Print
O'Neill ban gives Harte headache
By Colm Keys
Wednesday February 08 2012
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte must plan without another key player for the remainder of the National Football League after Sean O'Neill was handed a three-month suspension by the GAA's Higher Education body yesterday.
O'Neill was hit with the proposed suspension for his alleged involvement in the incidents which marred last week's Sigerson Cup match between St Mary's, Belfast and NUIG.
NUIG won the match by 0-6 to 0-5 but St Mary's players were enraged because they felt that referee Sean Carroll had called the game to a halt 30 seconds ahead of time.
There were angry scenes as Carroll made his way to the dressing-room, with the players venting their frustration. Ardboe's Gavin Teague has also received a similar suspension arising from the same incident.
O'Neill featured in all of Tyrone's games during their successful McKenna Cup run and was one of their key performers at half-back as the county began their league campaign in fine style against Kildare last weekend.
No problem,sure Mr.Logan will get him off that charge. Sure it was only a schoolboy fight. :)
Quote from: Hardy on February 07, 2012, 03:08:48 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 07, 2012, 03:00:34 PM
Quote from: agorm on February 07, 2012, 10:35:19 AM
Tommy Gorman did a report from Derrytresk this morning on Morning Ireland. I thought that it was a very one sided interview in which Derrytresk got an airing to say how shocked they were at the suspensions and how badly they had been treated. No mention of any remorse at the thuggery that they played their part in. All we got was a lament about how retired players were now back on the panel. Perhaps if the club had better standards of discipline and behaviour this wouldnt be the case.
The chairman of the club said that they had expected a few subs to be suspended - I forget the exact phrase he used. He didnt seem to think any of the on-field players should have been suspended. Tommy didnt point out any of the issues such as how he could justify ANY of the subs that jumped the fence not getting a suspension. Tommy was up in their grounds and didnt want to rock the boat and gave an easy interview. Is that what we are paying Tommy €250k per annum for?
It was laughable listening to the chairman saying how some of their club members were crying when the ruling came down from Croke Park. I am sure some of the players that were on the receiving end of some additional "treatment" before the game are feeling sorry for them after that interview.
To be fair to both Dromid and Derrytresk there was a schmozzle at the Armagh match on Sunday which ended with two yellow cards, it was as bad as the Dromid/D'tresk one or not as the case may be. The only difference was thae absense of subs and supporters. I think a fine and suspensions for the subs would have suffuced as it could be deemed the ref had dealt with the on field players.
But sure that's the whole point, Apples. The involvement of subs and supporters was what made this case serious and gave rise to the need for severe sanctions. It's a whole different world to a few lads throwing shapes on the field. That'll always happen and the standard sanctions are adequate for the most part. But you have to throw the book when you have subs off the bench, spectators over the fence and ouldwans with handbags running amok.
Yes but the players from boths sides legimately on the pitch were no more guilty than the Cork and Armagh players on Sunday. Deal harshly with the subs and supporters. fine the clubs. But if we start down this road of citing players involved in a schmozzle then where will it end? will every club game be videoed? If not then will we only punish those involved in tv incidents because it looks bad? Hardly justice?
Any word on the appeals?
Is it time shock collars were introduced for players and fans from Tyrone?
I think the answer is undoubtedly yes.
Official 1: "Two supporters are making a lot of noise and getting a bit close to the pitch. One of them is holding a rolled up programme. Should I shock them?"
Official 2: "Shock the whole lot of them, players too. It's the only way they'll learn."
A slight relaxation on the player bans and fine but heavier restriction on future participation at All-Ireland level as well as men on the line on Sunday.
Holleran expecting determined Derrytresk in final
The chairman of Galway football board — whose home club Clonbur meet Derrytresk in the All-Ireland junior final on Sunday — said that the Tyrone club will now be even more determined to win the crown.
John Joe Holleran said that it is regrettable that there has been so much controversy surrounding the clubs' big day out in Croke Park on Sunday (2pm).
He is hopeful that his club's preparation will not be disrupted by the row ahead of their first Croke Park outing, and he still expects a huge challenge from the Tyrone side despite Derrytresk having eight players suspended.
"From a Clonbur point of view we don't want to focus on everything that happened in their semi-final. Irrespective of how many players they might have missing, they are a formidable squad and we will have to cope with that.
"They may appear to be depleted for the final, but it will probably make them all the more determined to win it. I don't want to say too much about their bans because it may be subject to an appeal," said Holleran who was recently elected for a fifth year as chairman of Galway football board.
He said that reaching the All-Ireland junior final was a huge achievement for the small north Connemara club and they want to enjoy the occasion.
"It is a great honour for our club to get to Croke Park, it will be a great day for us, but it is even better to aspire to win the game.
"But the last ten or twelve days all we have heard about is what happened in Derrytresk's semi-final and the possible bans that might be handed out.
"It is very difficult for our lads to focus on the final and the management have their hands full to prepare them. It would have been better if none of this had happened at all," said Holleran.
http://galwayindependent.com/stories/item/964/2012-6/Holleran-expecting-determined-Derrytresk-in-final
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2012, 10:32:56 AM
A slight relaxation on the player bans and fine but heavier restriction on future participation at All-Ireland level as well as men on the line on Sunday.
I agree.
What actually baffles me is that ALL the subs that entered the pitch were not banned. Surely they could have easily been identified. Also any supporters that entered the fray, especially the sc**bag in the hoodie that clearly hit the Dromid No. 9 - Derrytresk should be asked for him to be identified as part of any reduction in their fine.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 08, 2012, 10:25:02 AM
Is it time shock collars were introduced for players and fans from Tyrone?
I think the answer is undoubtedly yes.
Official 1: "Two supporters are making a lot of noise and getting a bit close to the pitch. One of them is holding a rolled up programme. Should I shock them?"
Official 2: "Shock the whole lot of them, players too. It's the only way they'll learn."
Give it up, Jinxy! you'll never shake off the 'Dorty Meath Hoors' mantra by your constant bombardment of the last great Kingdom of Ireland...
QuoteAIB All-Ireland Club Junior Semi-Final Dromid Pearses v Derrytresk Fir an Chnoic
22.01.2012
Disciplinary action was initiated by the CCCC against Caoimhín Mac Cathmhaoil('Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent'), Michael Mac Roibin('Contributing to a melee'), Sean Ó Slatár('Behaving in a way which is dangerous to an opponent'), Brian O Gáibhin ('Attempeting to strike') and Cumann Dhoire Treasc Fir an Chnoic ('Disruptive conduct by Players, Team Officials and Supporters (not causing the Premature Termination of a Game')
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They chose not to accept the penalties proposed and requested a hearing.
A hearing of the Central Hearings Committee took place on .07/08.02.12, following which the following penalties were imposed.
Cumann Dhoire Treasc Fir an Chnoic –
(a) the Club are ineligible to compete in the Provincial or All-Ireland Club Championships for the next 5 years.
(b) The Club can play in the AIB All-Ireland Club Junior Gaelic Football Final on Sunday next with the following restrictions:
i. Only the Bainisteoir, Rúnaí-Sealadach, Doctor (if any) and Physiotherapist (if any) may enter onto the pitch area before the game, at half-time or in the immediate aftermath of the game.
ii. Water Carriers shall be provided by the CCCC.
iii. During the course of the game, the Runai-Sealadach shall remain in the stand with the substitutes.
iv. Only the Team Manager shall be permitted on the sideline.
(c) A fine of €2,500 was imposed.
Caoimhín Mac Cathmhaoil, Michael Mac Roibin, Sean Ó Slatár, Brian O Gáibhin were each suspended for 4 weeks at the same Code and Level, inclusive of the next Game in the same Competition of the Competition Year, even if that Game falls outside the Suspension time period.
The CHC decided that Disciplinary Action should not have proceeded against Seosamh Mac Aoidh.
Disciplinary process explained:
Penalty Proposed.
The Competitions Control Committee proposes a penalty. It is either accepted or rejected.
If it is rejected, a Hearing is granted.
The Hearings Committee (decision makers) either impose a penalty or exonerate based on evidence presented during the Hearing.
If penalty is imposed by the Hearings Committee, and the defending party is not willing to accept the imposed penalty, then an Appeal can be lodged to the Appeals Committee.
The appeal is heard by the Appeals Committee. If Appeal is unsuccessful then the penalty remains imposed and all avenues of Appeal are now exhausted within the GAA ( The Appeal can only be successful where there has been a clear infringement or misapplication of Rule by the Hearings Committee or the Appellants right to a fair hearing has otherwise been compromised to such extent that a clear injustice has occurred).
However, if the defending party is still not willing to accept the imposed penalty, a request for Arbitration may be lodged to the DRA (Disputes Resolution Authority) who are an external Independent Body and all their decisions are binding.
So what I'm reading there is fairly strict penalties on the club, and 4 weeks suspensions for 4 people, and a 5th getting off. What about the other 3? did they not appeal? Were they subs?
joe mckee did well to get off - serious boost for the hill.
kevin campbell missing at full back is balanced out with clonbur missing their full forward.
unless 2 or 3 key men succumb to injury between now and during the game - i can't see anything other than a derrytresk victory.
Quote from: clarshack on February 08, 2012, 11:40:42 AM
joe mckee did well to get off - serious boost for the hill.
kevin campbell missing at full back is balanced out with clonbur missing their full forward.
unless 2 or 3 key men succumb to injury between now and during the game - i can't see anything other than a derrytresk victory.
Was he the number 11?
I dont see why the full back was suspended in the first place? The number 11 did very well to get off
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 08, 2012, 11:41:26 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 08, 2012, 11:40:42 AM
joe mckee did well to get off - serious boost for the hill.
kevin campbell missing at full back is balanced out with clonbur missing their full forward.
unless 2 or 3 key men succumb to injury between now and during the game - i can't see anything other than a derrytresk victory.
Was he the number 11?
yes. very surprising they said no action should have been taken against him.
I only see 5 people mentioned there clarshack, and it seems like they all got 4 weeks each following the hearing (Apart from #11). Am I picking this up right? Were there 3 other suspensions that were not appealed?
Quote from: jeepers on February 08, 2012, 11:42:37 AM
I dont see why the full back was suspended in the first place? The number 11 did very well to get off
A testicle tickler I believe. Not suspended for involvement during the melee, rather incidents after the match.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on February 08, 2012, 11:57:32 AM
Quote from: jeepers on February 08, 2012, 11:42:37 AM
I dont see why the full back was suspended in the first place? The number 11 did very well to get off
A testicle tickler I believe. Not suspended for involvement during the melee, rather incidents after the match.
It must have been video evidence so? I didnt realise there was any of that stuff caught on camera
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 08, 2012, 11:44:57 AM
I only see 5 people mentioned there clarshack, and it seems like they all got 4 weeks each following the hearing (Apart from #11). Am I picking this up right? Were there 3 other suspensions that were not appealed?
i think only 1 of the subs appealed.
The club prevented from playing in the all ireland club championship for the next 5 yrs. On top of everything else is this not a bit excessive?
I agree that the proper sanctions are put in place and Derrytresk are being made an example of but this seems a bit much. The GAA would need to make sure that they remain consistent in this as there have been plenty of cases throughout the country that have been worse and were not dealt with properly. And that is probably the problem. Someone blamed the Tyrone board as they did not deal with the Carrickmore/ Dromore properly, and they might be partly right, as the GAA as a whole have not dealt with mass brawls properly over the years.
Clubs need to take reponsibility as do players as they have to bemore disciplined than ever through their training, diet lifestyle etc so they should take this on to the pitch.
The game has moved on from 15yrs ago even at club level, youth level and at all grades.No one wants to see the passion taken out of the game but luckily the no 9 for Dromid was a big guy and survived the dirty dig from a sub entering the field of play, not everyone is going to be so lucky.
Is there not an element of window dressing in preventing Derrytresk from playing in the Ulster or All Ireland Club Championship for 5 years. After winning the Tyrone Junior Championship in 2011, I presume that they will now be playing at Intermediate level and that it is unlikely if they will be strong contenders for county titles at that level. It is not like we are talking about suspensions for consistently top clubs like Dr. Crokes or Crossmaglen. BTW, I expect Derrytresk to win the All Ireland title at the weekend and Crossmaglen to be too good for Dr. Crokes.
Quote from: ballymac on February 08, 2012, 12:16:15 PM
The club prevented from playing in the all ireland club championship for the next 5 yrs. On top of everything else is this not a bit excessive?
But its probably no ban at all given they are now presumably promoted to intermediate having won the Tyrone Junior championship. I'm sure it happens that teams win Inter championships within a few years of a Junior championship, but it'd be rare enough.
Quote from: Onlooker on February 08, 2012, 12:24:28 PM
Is there not an element of window dressing in preventing Derrytresk from playing in the Ulster of All Ireland Club Championship for 5 years. After winning the Tyrone Junior Championship in 2011, I presume that they will now be playing at Intermediate level and that it is unlikely if they will be strong contenders for county titles at that level.
Agree completely, very few clubs jump up levels and suceed straight away, Ardfert did it a few years ago and won back to back All Irelands at junior and intermediate but they were a one off. That suspension was for show I feel, Derrytresk should still win the weekend
Agreed that Derrytresk are now in the Intermediate division and would not be favourite to win this championship.The fact that Derrytresk have been banned for 5 years opens a can of worms. If there is a similar incident in a club championship will the team involved get 5 years ban from that competition. Or will different rules be applied. This is where the powers that be need to make a clear and precise statement.
Imagine the scene your club get to the semi final of their relevant championship at county level, and are playing their nearest rivals and there is a big of 'handbags' and subs enter the field of play and a melee occurs, will you accept that your club will now be put out of your county championship for the next 5 yrs.
People seem to have quite an impressive knowledge of the standard of Galway Junior football.
Quote from: Hound on February 08, 2012, 12:27:22 PM
Quote from: ballymac on February 08, 2012, 12:16:15 PM
The club prevented from playing in the all ireland club championship for the next 5 yrs. On top of everything else is this not a bit excessive?
But its probably no ban at all given they are now presumably promoted to intermediate having won the Tyrone Junior championship. I'm sure it happens that teams win Inter championships within a few years of a Junior championship, but it'd be rare enough.
stewartstown (2004 & 2006) and killyman (2005 & 2007) both won tyrone intermediate championships 2 years after winning junior. however it was easier to do it then compared to now, as half of the clubs in tyrone played in the senior championship at the time. the championship structures were then changed for the 2008 season.
intermediate in tyrone is very strong this year and when you have teams like cookstown, moy and galbally - imo i dont think derrytresk will be going for the ifc. in fact they'll probably be happy enough just to retain intermediate status which would be another fine achievement considering the quality of teams in the division.
a 5 year ban at provincial and national level would really only hurt the crossmaglens and the nemo rangers of this world.
Quote from: jeepers on February 08, 2012, 11:42:37 AM
I dont see why the full back was suspended in the first place? The number 11 did very well to get off
Did he not get a booking at the time? If so it would have been considered dealt with by the Referee and no further action was appropriate.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 08, 2012, 12:48:52 PM
People seem to have quite an impressive knowledge of the standard of Galway Junior football.
clonbur are relying heavily on 2 men up front - pat lambe and eoin joyce (son of stephen).
pat lambe is 35 now and plays at chf.
if cathal o'neill can take care of declan o'sullivan i think he might be able to handle pat lambe ok as well.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 08, 2012, 12:48:52 PM
People seem to have quite an impressive knowledge of the standard of Galway Junior football.
They have no chance apparently.
That said they did beat the Leinster champions in the other semi by 10 points who were on a 12+ match unbeaten run.
Quote from: clarshack on February 08, 2012, 01:35:52 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 08, 2012, 12:27:22 PM
Quote from: ballymac on February 08, 2012, 12:16:15 PM
The club prevented from playing in the all ireland club championship for the next 5 yrs. On top of everything else is this not a bit excessive?
But its probably no ban at all given they are now presumably promoted to intermediate having won the Tyrone Junior championship. I'm sure it happens that teams win Inter championships within a few years of a Junior championship, but it'd be rare enough.
stewartstown (2004 & 2006) and killyman (2005 & 2007) both won tyrone intermediate championships 2 years after winning junior. however it was easier to do it then compared to now, as half of the clubs in tyrone played in the senior championship at the time. the championship structures were then changed for the 2008 season.
intermediate in tyrone is very strong this year and when you have teams like cookstown, moy and galbally - imo i dont think derrytresk will be going for the ifc. in fact they'll probably be happy enough just to retain intermediate status which would be another fine achievement considering the quality of teams in the division.
a 5 year ban at provincial and national level would really only hurt the crossmaglens and the nemo rangers of this world.
Well, unless they do get relegated next year, they'd be eligible to play in Junior again in 2013 wouldn't they?
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 08, 2012, 02:02:02 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 08, 2012, 01:35:52 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 08, 2012, 12:27:22 PM
Quote from: ballymac on February 08, 2012, 12:16:15 PM
The club prevented from playing in the all ireland club championship for the next 5 yrs. On top of everything else is this not a bit excessive?
But its probably no ban at all given they are now presumably promoted to intermediate having won the Tyrone Junior championship. I'm sure it happens that teams win Inter championships within a few years of a Junior championship, but it'd be rare enough.
stewartstown (2004 & 2006) and killyman (2005 & 2007) both won tyrone intermediate championships 2 years after winning junior. however it was easier to do it then compared to now, as half of the clubs in tyrone played in the senior championship at the time. the championship structures were then changed for the 2008 season.
intermediate in tyrone is very strong this year and when you have teams like cookstown, moy and galbally - imo i dont think derrytresk will be going for the ifc. in fact they'll probably be happy enough just to retain intermediate status which would be another fine achievement considering the quality of teams in the division.
a 5 year ban at provincial and national level would really only hurt the crossmaglens and the nemo rangers of this world.
Well, unless they do get relegated next year, they'd be eligible to play in Junior again in 2013 wouldn't they?
if that happened, there's no guarantee that they would win the jfc either. the red hot favourites in the last 3 tyrone junior finals
have all lost.
Ah yeah, i understand that, but I'm just saying that it's not necessarily the blunt punishment some people are saying. They don't necessarily have to win Intermediate to be competing in Ulster in 2013/2014/2015,
Quote from: clarshack on February 08, 2012, 01:44:25 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 08, 2012, 12:48:52 PM
People seem to have quite an impressive knowledge of the standard of Galway Junior football.
clonbur are relying heavily on 2 men up front - pat lambe and eoin joyce (son of stephen).
pat lambe is 35 now and plays at chf.
if cathal o'neill can take care of declan o'sullivan i think he might be able to handle pat lambe ok as well.
Do you mean 'take care of' in the Tony Soprano sense?
Quote from: jeepers on February 08, 2012, 12:29:53 PM
Quote from: Onlooker on February 08, 2012, 12:24:28 PM
Is there not an element of window dressing in preventing Derrytresk from playing in the Ulster of All Ireland Club Championship for 5 years. After winning the Tyrone Junior Championship in 2011, I presume that they will now be playing at Intermediate level and that it is unlikely if they will be strong contenders for county titles at that level.
Agree completely, very few clubs jump up levels and suceed straight away, Ardfert did it a few years ago and won back to back All Irelands at junior and intermediate but they were a one off. That suspension was for show I feel, Derrytresk should still win the weekend
Wolfe Tones in Meath did it too.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0209/1224311519762.html
Interesting picture and read...
believe me there is more.
Why was a Derrytresk sub near him in the first place?
Commiserating with him no doubt.
Anyway, still pictures can be very misleading.
Handbag saw it.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 12:58:37 AM
Why was a Derrytresk sub near him in the first place?
Commiserating with him no doubt.
Anyway, still pictures can be very misleading.
But only when you dont want them to show what they appear to be showing I'm sure.... ::)
Tyrone savagery seems to know no bounds.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 12:58:37 AM
Why was a Derrytresk sub near him in the first place?
Commiserating with him no doubt.
Anyway, still pictures can be very misleading.
::) How is this picture misleading?
Derrytresk WILL release a series of photos AFTER Sundays game that paints Dromid in a different picture than Liveline. Concentrate on Sunday first lads!
I heard they had photos but couldn't understand why they didn't release any until now.
As for Jinxy saying photos can be misleading, i hope there is a photo before it that shows the young cub putting his hand out to shake O'Sullivans hand. Was he as brave when Gormley, Noel O'Leary, or Ger Brennan approached him??
Croke Park should hang it's head in shame.
This is a typical example of the ridiculous approach to disciplinary matters by the GAA, in fact to more than discipline, to how it sets up competitions and committees.
The GAA cannot organise a competition on simple and fair lines, everything has to cater for exceptions to the rule rather than be equitable and fair.
Likewise with it's approach to discipline.
In a court of law you at lease hear all the evidence and can contest it. GAA discipline is administered by Committees who 'investigate' matters but a Club or individual cannot hear or see the evidence against them, only the allegation. It's almost impossible to get justice. It's one of the reasons we have such a poor disciplinary record as compared to other sports.
Many of the Committee members sitting in judgement have little in terms of ability, training or expertise in dealing with such matters. Their thinking is often coloured by personal preferences, by club and county politics, by media coverage and by possible media coverage of the outcome. Doing the right thing doesn't come into it very often.
The rules are deliberately vague and if they want to get you they will get you - 'misconduct considered to have discredited the Association', 'behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent', 'contributing to a melee'.... what does that mean???
It's very judgemental and non specific, open to interpretation and abuse.
'Attempting to strike'.....'attempting to kick'....'inflicting injury recklessly by means other than those stated above'......'minor physical interference (e.g. laying a hand on, pushing, pulling or jostling) with an official - laying a hand on could be widely misinterpreted if one wanted to be vindictive....disruptive conduct at games by team officials or supporters - what exactly is that...
Most of these terms are catch all phrases designed to allow Committees absolute power to discipline anyone they have a dislike for..
The hearings themselves are then conducted in a mystical setting where you never hear the evidence against you, the opposition can say what they will and you cannot refute it...
Referees then, don't get me going!! Many of them are only in it for the money. Some refs could be doing 10 games a week between adult and juvenile leagues, schools games, practice games. They are doing well out of it and too many are motivated only by the few bob, many of them display as much if not more contempt for players as some players have for refs! And at club level they don't forget.... Clubs and players know that and it's not fashionable or politically correct to say it, but it's often true. Some refs have been known to abuse players during games, some to vow to 'do a player' in a future game..
The GAA has become unwieldy, Croke Park has far too much sway and too many 'experts' pushing more and more obligations onto over worked volunteers at club level - ASAP Offices etc etc...
Maybe it's time for a new organisation - The Gaelic Clubs Association where players can play with their clubs when they should be instead of at the whim of a county manager who only has one interest - self promotion....
I hope Derrytresk take this to the DRA and wipe the floor with Croke Park over this carry on..
Rant over!
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 09, 2012, 08:48:43 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 12:58:37 AM
Why was a Derrytresk sub near him in the first place?
Commiserating with him no doubt.
Anyway, still pictures can be very misleading.
::) How is this picture misleading?
Because it doesn't show context. Is this retalliation or did O'Sullivan just walk up and clatter this fella? I don't know either way, but that's why video is much better than stills. I certainly think this was the precursor to the handbag lady alright.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 09, 2012, 09:18:35 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 09, 2012, 08:48:43 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 12:58:37 AM
Why was a Derrytresk sub near him in the first place?
Commiserating with him no doubt.
Anyway, still pictures can be very misleading.
::) How is this picture misleading?
Because it doesn't show context. Is this retalliation or did O'Sullivan just walk up and clatter this fella? I don't know either way, but that's why video is much better than stills. I certainly think this was the precursor to the handbag lady alright.
does it matter?
The whinging is getting tiresome. We've had Dromid whinging about Derrytresk and Derrytresk and their supporters here whinging about Dromid, about the GAA, about perceived anti-Northern bias, about the suspensions and about Dromid whinging.
But the Comical Ali stuff is just funny. Brawl? What brawl? Didn't see any brawl. If there was a brawl it was Dromid brawling amongst themselves, not us. Nor our subs or spectators or handbagwomen. No.
Shouldn't they be concentrating on the final?
And the use of still pictures as evidence of any action should be banned. All they tell you with reasonable confidence is that the people in the picture were present. And even that can be faked. But they are no evidence at all of what people are doing. In that picture, O'Sullivan could have been swatting a hardy January fly and the Derrytresk sub (ANOTHER one on the field?) tripping backwards over an abandoned handbag.
That's an odd reading of it Hardy. Derrytresk have been mightily restrained in all of this.
Quote from: Give and Go on February 09, 2012, 09:13:25 AM
Croke Park should hang it's head in shame.
This is a typical example of the ridiculous approach to disciplinary matters by the GAA, in fact to more than discipline, to how it sets up competitions and committees.
The GAA cannot organise a competition on simple and fair lines, everything has to cater for exceptions to the rule rather than be equitable and fair.
Likewise with it's approach to discipline.
In a court of law you at lease hear all the evidence and can contest it. GAA discipline is administered by Committees who 'investigate' matters but a Club or individual cannot hear or see the evidence against them, only the allegation. It's almost impossible to get justice. It's one of the reasons we have such a poor disciplinary record as compared to other sports.
Many of the Committee members sitting in judgement have little in terms of ability, training or expertise in dealing with such matters. Their thinking is often coloured by personal preferences, by club and county politics, by media coverage and by possible media coverage of the outcome. Doing the right thing doesn't come into it very often.
The rules are deliberately vague and if they want to get you they will get you - 'misconduct considered to have discredited the Association', 'behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent', 'contributing to a melee'.... what does that mean???
It's very judgemental and non specific, open to interpretation and abuse.
'Attempting to strike'.....'attempting to kick'....'inflicting injury recklessly by means other than those stated above'......'minor physical interference (e.g. laying a hand on, pushing, pulling or jostling) with an official - laying a hand on could be widely misinterpreted if one wanted to be vindictive....disruptive conduct at games by team officials or supporters - what exactly is that...
Most of these terms are catch all phrases designed to allow Committees absolute power to discipline anyone they have a dislike for..
The hearings themselves are then conducted in a mystical setting where you never hear the evidence against you, the opposition can say what they will and you cannot refute it...
Referees then, don't get me going!! Many of them are only in it for the money. Some refs could be doing 10 games a week between adult and juvenile leagues, schools games, practice games. They are doing well out of it and too many are motivated only by the few bob, many of them display as much if not more contempt for players as some players have for refs! And at club level they don't forget.... Clubs and players know that and it's not fashionable or politically correct to say it, but it's often true. Some refs have been known to abuse players during games, some to vow to 'do a player' in a future game..
The GAA has become unwieldy, Croke Park has far too much sway and too many 'experts' pushing more and more obligations onto over worked volunteers at club level - ASAP Offices etc etc...
Maybe it's time for a new organisation - The Gaelic Clubs Association where players can play with their clubs when they should be instead of at the whim of a county manager who only has one interest - self promotion....
I hope Derrytresk take this to the DRA and wipe the floor with Croke Park over this carry on..
Rant over!
Well said. Possibly a thread of its own but a very important point to make. Paid people overloading volunteers instead of what I assume the intention was - to reduce the burden on volunteers. There's people in offices in Dublin and Armagh and elsewhere coming up with shit that no-one needs in order to justify their own employment. Not entirely their fault as in the round they're working hard and doing what they think is best. It just doesn't work as intended.
I had heard this story, young Derrytresk player who admired O Sullivan went up to shake his hand and speak to him and was floored. I didnt believe it as I had heard O Sullivan was being jossled coming off the pitch and someone on the Derrytresk side was jeering at him and he pushed that player and was then surrounded and hit with a handbag and then ran to the tunnell. It is now clear why he was surrounded.
I owe the brother an apology as that picture makes it obvious that O Sullivan struck a 17 yr player who actually admired O Sullivan. I wonder what he thinks of him now. I can understand that as O Sullivan had received special treatment throughout the game that he would not have been in the best form, but the game was over and he was not surrounded by women weilding handbags at the time.
But going back to the punishments and the melee that occurred just before half time can not be condoned and needs punished, but 5 yrs suspension. Forget the fact that Derrytresk may never make it to an all ireland semi again, has the GAA SET A PRECEDENT that if a similar offence happens in any club championship then a 5yr suspension will follow, or are all ireland club finals to be treated differently to a first round junior match in any county. I think the GAA need to come and state what their stance is on it.
Quote from: ONeill on February 09, 2012, 09:47:47 AM
That's an odd reading of it Hardy. Derrytresk have been mightily restrained in all of this.
Are you serious?
I will admit my perception may be skewed by reading this board as opposed to concentrating on what the club itself has been saying. Have a look at Ballymac's last post there, for example. Apart from yet another whinge about perceived bias and injustice, is his narrative about Declan O'Sullivan's alleged behaviour acceptable on the basis of "I had heard this story"? The kangaroo court of the gaaboard couldn't hold a candle to any perceived injustices meted out by the CCCC.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on February 09, 2012, 09:29:27 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 09, 2012, 09:18:35 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 09, 2012, 08:48:43 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 12:58:37 AM
Why was a Derrytresk sub near him in the first place?
Commiserating with him no doubt.
Anyway, still pictures can be very misleading.
::) How is this picture misleading?
Because it doesn't show context. Is this retalliation or did O'Sullivan just walk up and clatter this fella? I don't know either way, but that's why video is much better than stills. I certainly think this was the precursor to the handbag lady alright.
does it matter?
Not really, in terms of did he strike or not, but it would matter in terms of suspension etc. It's slightly prejudicial to show a picture of lad throwing a punch without showing what lead to the punch. But the punch itself is clear enough.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 09, 2012, 10:05:09 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on February 09, 2012, 09:29:27 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 09, 2012, 09:18:35 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 09, 2012, 08:48:43 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 12:58:37 AM
Why was a Derrytresk sub near him in the first place?
Commiserating with him no doubt.
Anyway, still pictures can be very misleading.
::) How is this picture misleading?
Because it doesn't show context. Is this retalliation or did O'Sullivan just walk up and clatter this fella? I don't know either way, but that's why video is much better than stills. I certainly think this was the precursor to the handbag lady alright.
does it matter?
Not really, in terms of did he strike or not, but it would matter in terms of suspension etc. It's slightly prejudicial to show a picture of lad throwing a punch without showing what lead to the punch. But the punch itself is clear enough.
i take your point, but just as the picture doesnt show that he lad came up and goaded an oponent, it also doesnt show a young lad coming up to shake the hand of one of the games most high profile players, from the picture you cant tell what the context is, but it does seem pretty clear that osullivan struck him.
The thing is, you cant use the logic that it was aceptable for osullivan to deck him becuase he was goading him (even though maybe understandable)
Would it then make it acceptable for the handbag woman and other players to come to a young lads aid, after seeing him being struck?
i have no bias whatso ever towards derrytresk, but i feel yet again the GAA have made a hems of handling this.
In my view any sub that entered the feild during the melee deserves a ban.
anyone that is clearly caught on video striking, deserves a ban. Derrytresk should be fined for the behaviour of thier subs/supportors.
but all this 'conributing to a melee' & 'misconduct considered to have discredited the Association' crap is far two vague and open to manipulation to suit whatever agenda the gaa or the media want to make it suit.
Quote from: Hardy on February 09, 2012, 10:03:33 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 09, 2012, 09:47:47 AM
That's an odd reading of it Hardy. Derrytresk have been mightily restrained in all of this.
Are you serious?
I will admit my perception may be skewed by reading this board as opposed to concentrating on what the club itself has been saying. Have a look at Ballymac's last post there, for example. Apart from yet another whinge about perceived bias and injustice, is his narrative about Declan O'Sullivan's alleged behaviour acceptable on the basis of "I had heard this story"? The kangaroo court of the gaaboard couldn't hold a candle to any perceived injustices meted out by the CCCC.
Exactly. That is completely different to the version I heard, not surprisingly, but what's the point of posting, 'Actually I heard such and such instead'. All Heresay. And that's why I didn't post anything at all about specific incidents until everyone had seen the video.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on February 09, 2012, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 09, 2012, 10:05:09 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on February 09, 2012, 09:29:27 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 09, 2012, 09:18:35 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 09, 2012, 08:48:43 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 12:58:37 AM
Why was a Derrytresk sub near him in the first place?
Commiserating with him no doubt.
Anyway, still pictures can be very misleading.
::) How is this picture misleading?
Because it doesn't show context. Is this retalliation or did O'Sullivan just walk up and clatter this fella? I don't know either way, but that's why video is much better than stills. I certainly think this was the precursor to the handbag lady alright.
does it matter?
Not really, in terms of did he strike or not, but it would matter in terms of suspension etc. It's slightly prejudicial to show a picture of lad throwing a punch without showing what lead to the punch. But the punch itself is clear enough.
i take your point, but just as the picture doesnt show that he lad came up and goaded an oponent, it also doesnt show a young lad coming up to shake the hand of one of the games most high profile players, from the picture you cant tell what the context is, but it does seem pretty clear that osullivan struck him.
The thing is, you cant use the logic that it was aceptable for osullivan to deck him becuase he was goading him (even though maybe understandable)
Would it then make it acceptable for the handbag woman and other players to come to a young lads aid, after seeing him being struck?
i have no bias whatso ever towards derrytresk, but i feel yet again the GAA have made a hems of handling this.
In my view any sub that entered the feild during the melee deserves a ban.
anyone that is clearly caught on video striking, deserves a ban. Derrytresk should be fined for the behaviour of thier subs/supportors.
but all this 'conributing to a melee' & 'misconduct considered to have discredited the Association' crap is far two vague and open to manipulation to suit whatever agenda the gaa or the media want to make it suit.
That picture looks bad, and striking after the match is never a good thing, but you cannot take a photo like that without taking it in context, and unless we either see it live, or on video, you can't even guess at context. One lad could say a young fella came over to shake his hand and he was so vexed at losing that he threw a box at him. Another fella could say that the lad came over to him and abused him from a height, or pushed him, and he threw a punch.
In neither case would the fella throwing the punch be right, but the context would obviously be hugely different.
Context is irrelevant.
It's like saying, "I hit him because he hit me".... doesn't matter, if you strike you go.
How many times have we heard the reason behind a suspension being that if there is evidence there then the powers that be will use it, and this explains away the use of video/photos etc.
For me, this is evidence the #11 struck. Nothing more or nothing less....context doesn't come into it.
Based on this evidence, he could well find himself in bother.
I've said before that IMO all the DT subs that came on the pitch should have been suspended...anyone who punched should also be suspended, but that applies to all sides.
5 year ban is unbelievable. If this is a precedent, there'll be more and more of these bans. Having done this once, they have to treat all future cases in the same way. What about the incident with Louth where the referee was, lets say harrassed, by a supporter after the final with Meath....should Louth not have had a 5 year ban?
I just dont get where that came from.....and if its going to be the norm from now on, fair enough. But unless it is going to be the norm for these sorts of issues then DT have been harshly treated to say the least.
Quote from: tbrick18 on February 09, 2012, 10:30:33 AM
Context is irrelevant.
It's like saying, "I hit him because he hit me".... doesn't matter, if you strike you go.
How many times have we heard the reason behind a suspension being that if there is evidence there then the powers that be will use it, and this explains away the use of video/photos etc.
For me, this is evidence the #11 struck. Nothing more or nothing less....context doesn't come into it.
Based on this evidence, he could well find himself in bother.
I've said before that IMO all the DT subs that came on the pitch should have been suspended...anyone who punched should also be suspended, but that applies to all sides.
5 year ban is unbelievable. If this is a precedent, there'll be more and more of these bans. Having done this once, they have to treat all future cases in the same way. What about the incident with Louth where the referee was, lets say harrassed, by a supporter after the final with Meath....should Louth not have had a 5 year ban?
I just dont get where that came from.....and if its going to be the norm from now on, fair enough. But unless it is going to be the norm for these sorts of issues then DT have been harshly treated to say the least.
Read what I said again. I said the striking was wrong. But context is very far from irrelevant when deciding on a suspension.
Quote from: tbrick18 on February 09, 2012, 10:30:33 AM
Context is irrelevant.
It's like saying, "I hit him because he hit me".... doesn't matter, if you strike you go.
How many times have we heard the reason behind a suspension being that if there is evidence there then the powers that be will use it, and this explains away the use of video/photos etc.
For me, this is evidence the #11 struck. Nothing more or nothing less....context doesn't come into it.
Based on this evidence, he could well find himself in bother.
I've said before that IMO all the DT subs that came on the pitch should have been suspended...anyone who punched should also be suspended, but that applies to all sides.
5 year ban is unbelievable. If this is a precedent, there'll be more and more of these bans. Having done this once, they have to treat all future cases in the same way. What about the incident with Louth where the referee was, lets say harrassed, by a supporter after the final with Meath....should Louth not have had a 5 year ban?
I just dont get where that came from.....and if its going to be the norm from now on, fair enough. But unless it is going to be the norm for these sorts of issues then DT have been harshly treated to say the least.
good post.
alot of the sanctions handed out lately seem to be a case of 4 or 5 men sitting round going 'wait to hear this one, i've got a good one for them' with no procedure to follow or sense of consitancy
It's the old bugbear of consistency, and I agree that there seems to be little precedent for the bans. FWIW I think the 5 year ban is daft, but I also think 4 weeks for anyone that came in from the sidelines is very weak, unless the 3 that didn't appeal got a lot longer. Those lads were completely out of order and I don't think anyone denies that.
Remains to be seen if the GAA do the same thing the next time something like this happens, and I hope they do, but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't.
Unless it's a club from Ulster again :D
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 09, 2012, 10:32:28 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on February 09, 2012, 10:30:33 AM
Context is irrelevant.
It's like saying, "I hit him because he hit me".... doesn't matter, if you strike you go.
How many times have we heard the reason behind a suspension being that if there is evidence there then the powers that be will use it, and this explains away the use of video/photos etc.
For me, this is evidence the #11 struck. Nothing more or nothing less....context doesn't come into it.
Based on this evidence, he could well find himself in bother.
I've said before that IMO all the DT subs that came on the pitch should have been suspended...anyone who punched should also be suspended, but that applies to all sides.
5 year ban is unbelievable. If this is a precedent, there'll be more and more of these bans. Having done this once, they have to treat all future cases in the same way. What about the incident with Louth where the referee was, lets say harrassed, by a supporter after the final with Meath....should Louth not have had a 5 year ban?
I just dont get where that came from.....and if its going to be the norm from now on, fair enough. But unless it is going to be the norm for these sorts of issues then DT have been harshly treated to say the least.
Read what I said again. I said the striking was wrong. But context is very far from irrelevant when deciding on a suspension.
I did read what you said, I just don't necessarily agree. The rules state what the punishment should be for striking. That is the minimum suspension that should be handed out. If you start to take context into it, it follows that he could have less than the minimum suspension....or conversely more than the minimum suspension depending on what happened before the strike.
If he was to get more, he would had to have broken another of the rules, IMO, in which case there should be a minimum suspension for that rule and it gets added to the suspension for striking.
But if you were to try to put a context on him striking, at what point in a game do you start applying context? Do you do it on the throw in, or when the teams arrive at the ground, or when one team asks for their supporters to get segregated? Potentially any of these things could be considered as putting the strike into context.
You could take mitigating circumstances into every yellow/red card and say he only tripped that player as 5 mins before he himself had been fouled but didn't get a free. It just wouldn't work.
If you strike, you should get the minimum suspension for striking regardless of context.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 09, 2012, 10:40:33 AM
FWIW I think the 5 year ban is daft, but I also think 4 weeks for anyone that came in from the sidelines is very weak, unless the 3 that didn't appeal got a lot longer. Those lads were completely out of order and I don't think anyone denies that.
The subs who didnt appeal got 8 weeks.
I take it O'Sullivan wasn't one of the Dromid players who got suspended?
Nope. #4 and #5 were the Dromid Suspendees. I think Derrytresk players and subs got off lightly enough. 8 weeks is the same as 4 weeks in this context nearly. I presume they only have to miss the All Ireland Final , and I know that's a sickener, but I thought a couple of them subs would be looking at 16 weeks or more.
Quote from: Hardy on February 09, 2012, 10:03:33 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 09, 2012, 09:47:47 AM
That's an odd reading of it Hardy. Derrytresk have been mightily restrained in all of this.
Are you serious?
I will admit my perception may be skewed by reading this board as opposed to concentrating on what the club itself has been saying. Have a look at Ballymac's last post there, for example. Apart from yet another whinge about perceived bias and injustice, is his narrative about Declan O'Sullivan's alleged behaviour acceptable on the basis of "I had heard this story"? The kangaroo court of the gaaboard couldn't hold a candle to any perceived injustices meted out by the CCCC.
Derrytresk can't be held responsable for anything that is said on the gaaboard, in favour or against them. If they did, I wish to lodge a complaint with Kerry GAA about profilic poster Mike Sheehy.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 09, 2012, 09:18:35 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 09, 2012, 08:48:43 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 12:58:37 AM
Why was a Derrytresk sub near him in the first place?
Commiserating with him no doubt.
Anyway, still pictures can be very misleading.
::) How is this picture misleading?
Because it doesn't show context. Is this retalliation or did O'Sullivan just walk up and clatter this fella? I don't know either way, but that's why video is much better than stills. I certainly think this was the precursor to the handbag lady alright.
What hypocrisy, the row started because a Derrytresk player retaliated, you can't have your cake and eat it. Derrytresk were tried by the court of public opinion. The sadest part of all of this is an anti Northern bias both on here and in the southern media which is nothing short of shameful.
Quote from: tbrick18 on February 09, 2012, 10:30:33 AM
Context is irrelevant.
It's like saying, "I hit him because he hit me".... doesn't matter, if you strike you go.
How many times have we heard the reason behind a suspension being that if there is evidence there then the powers that be will use it, and this explains away the use of video/photos etc.
For me, this is evidence the #11 struck. Nothing more or nothing less....context doesn't come into it.
Based on this evidence, he could well find himself in bother.
I've said before that IMO all the DT subs that came on the pitch should have been suspended...anyone who punched should also be suspended, but that applies to all sides.
5 year ban is unbelievable. If this is a precedent, there'll be more and more of these bans. Having done this once, they have to treat all future cases in the same way. What about the incident with Louth where the referee was, lets say harrassed, by a supporter after the final with Meath....should Louth not have had a 5 year ban?
I just dont get where that came from.....and if its going to be the norm from now on, fair enough. But unless it is going to be the norm for these sorts of issues then DT have been harshly treated to say the least.
I would imagine the 5 year ban was due to the subs and mentors getting involved in the melee. In the Louth case two of the supporters involved were in court this week, charged with assault. I'm not sure if its fair to punish teams based on incidents not involving the listed team members.
Quote from: clarshack on February 08, 2012, 01:35:52 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 08, 2012, 12:27:22 PM
Quote from: ballymac on February 08, 2012, 12:16:15 PM
The club prevented from playing in the all ireland club championship for the next 5 yrs. On top of everything else is this not a bit excessive?
But its probably no ban at all given they are now presumably promoted to intermediate having won the Tyrone Junior championship. I'm sure it happens that teams win Inter championships within a few years of a Junior championship, but it'd be rare enough.
stewartstown (2004 & 2006) and killyman (2005 & 2007) both won tyrone intermediate championships 2 years after winning junior. however it was easier to do it then compared to now, as half of the clubs in tyrone played in the senior championship at the time. the championship structures were then changed for the 2008 season.
intermediate in tyrone is very strong this year and when you have teams like cookstown, moy and galbally - imo i dont think derrytresk will be going for the ifc. in fact they'll probably be happy enough just to retain intermediate status which would be another fine achievement considering the quality of teams in the division.
a 5 year ban at provincial and national level would really only hurt the crossmaglens and the nemo rangers of this world.
Can they ask to be regraded in Tyrone? You can in Armagh I believe.
Quote from: Hardy on February 09, 2012, 10:03:33 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 09, 2012, 09:47:47 AM
That's an odd reading of it Hardy. Derrytresk have been mightily restrained in all of this.
Are you serious?
I will admit my perception may be skewed by reading this board as opposed to concentrating on what the club itself has been saying. Have a look at Ballymac's last post there, for example. Apart from yet another whinge about perceived bias and injustice, is his narrative about Declan O'Sullivan's alleged behaviour acceptable on the basis of "I had heard this story"? The kangaroo court of the gaaboard couldn't hold a candle to any perceived injustices meted out by the CCCC.
What have those posts got to do with Derrytresk GAC's response?
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 09, 2012, 11:14:17 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on February 09, 2012, 10:30:33 AM
Context is irrelevant.
It's like saying, "I hit him because he hit me".... doesn't matter, if you strike you go.
How many times have we heard the reason behind a suspension being that if there is evidence there then the powers that be will use it, and this explains away the use of video/photos etc.
For me, this is evidence the #11 struck. Nothing more or nothing less....context doesn't come into it.
Based on this evidence, he could well find himself in bother.
I've said before that IMO all the DT subs that came on the pitch should have been suspended...anyone who punched should also be suspended, but that applies to all sides.
5 year ban is unbelievable. If this is a precedent, there'll be more and more of these bans. Having done this once, they have to treat all future cases in the same way. What about the incident with Louth where the referee was, lets say harrassed, by a supporter after the final with Meath....should Louth not have had a 5 year ban?
I just dont get where that came from.....and if its going to be the norm from now on, fair enough. But unless it is going to be the norm for these sorts of issues then DT have been harshly treated to say the least.
I would imagine the 5 year ban was due to the subs and mentors getting involved in the melee. In the Louth case two of the supporters involved were in court this week, charged with assault. I'm not sure if its fair to punish teams based on incidents not involving the listed team members.
I was only trying to make a point, I like you dont think Louth should have been punished for that. It was just an example that came to mind, you could equally as well use the row last weekend between Armagh and Cork or any number of incidents over the years.
Quote from: barelegs on February 09, 2012, 12:32:42 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0209/1224311519762.html
Interesting picture and read...
That is a damning picture.
Dear lord . . . this thing has gone from strength to strength with claim and counter claim and 'I heard this' and 'I heard that' Dromid are hard done by, The Hill are hard done by EVERYONE'S hard done by. Ban anyone who was caught throwing a punch, flicking a ballbag, kicking or jumping encroaching onto the playing area. It's not difficult!
My favourite post probably ever on the board . . .
QuoteI had heard this story, young Derrytresk player who admired O Sullivan went up to shake his hand and speak to him and was floored. I didnt believe it as I had heard O Sullivan was being jossled coming off the pitch and someone on the Derrytresk side was jeering at him and he pushed that player and was then surrounded and hit with a handbag and then ran to the tunnell. It is now clear why he was surrounded.
Jesus it's like something out of a Baseball movie where the wee kid goes to get his favourite players autograph and gets shunned only to go away and practice for years and come back to beat him in the last play of the World Series . . . that young buck will be marking O'Sulivan out of an AIF For Tyrone in the next few years and reminding him of what he done when Dromid played Derrytresk when he was just a lad! FFS!!!!
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 09, 2012, 11:13:43 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 09, 2012, 09:18:35 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 09, 2012, 08:48:43 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 12:58:37 AM
Why was a Derrytresk sub near him in the first place?
Commiserating with him no doubt.
Anyway, still pictures can be very misleading.
::) How is this picture misleading?
Because it doesn't show context. Is this retalliation or did O'Sullivan just walk up and clatter this fella? I don't know either way, but that's why video is much better than stills. I certainly think this was the precursor to the handbag lady alright.
What hypocrisy, the row started because a Derrytresk player retaliated, you can't have your cake and eat it. Derrytresk were tried by the court of public opinion. The sadest part of all of this is an anti Northern bias both on here and in the southern media which is nothing short of shameful.
What are you talking about? At least read my posts before you take them out of context. And I have absolutely no anti Ulster bias, so you can pick that up off the floor too. What I said, if you bothered to read it, was that the picture tells us nothing except that #11 struck, which was wrong, absolutely. The 'row' started because a mentor and a Dromid player got involved with each other, and escalated when the subs cleared the first fence. I'm sure all of that (which we all saw on video for context) was debated in the hearings.
All I am saying here is that the picture shows a punch, and nothing else. Just like this one...
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRh3iD3lJMIbWblt9ODF7JI2NrnHXyKkqYRthkto-xt37BSDEexlPkQ_W9C3g)
Quote from: barelegs on February 09, 2012, 12:32:42 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0209/1224311519762.html
Interesting picture and read...
Is that a coat, handbag or other blunt object in the hands of that woman loitering with intent?
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 09, 2012, 11:35:10 AM
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRh3iD3lJMIbWblt9ODF7JI2NrnHXyKkqYRthkto-xt37BSDEexlPkQ_W9C3g)
That picture has been doctored. 7 is the wrong way round, as well as the sponsor on Tyrone's shirt. What else have those rascals in Armagh done to this? ;)
Quote from: ziggysego on February 09, 2012, 11:54:15 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 09, 2012, 11:35:10 AM
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRh3iD3lJMIbWblt9ODF7JI2NrnHXyKkqYRthkto-xt37BSDEexlPkQ_W9C3g)
That picture has been doctored. 7 is the wrong way round, as well as the sponsor on Tyrone's shirt. What else have those rascals in Armagh done to this? ;)
Just saw the editing above Jordan's number now. Apologies, I just picked the first photo of that incident I could find :D
Quote from: tbrick18 on February 09, 2012, 11:24:10 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 09, 2012, 11:14:17 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on February 09, 2012, 10:30:33 AM
Context is irrelevant.
It's like saying, "I hit him because he hit me".... doesn't matter, if you strike you go.
How many times have we heard the reason behind a suspension being that if there is evidence there then the powers that be will use it, and this explains away the use of video/photos etc.
For me, this is evidence the #11 struck. Nothing more or nothing less....context doesn't come into it.
Based on this evidence, he could well find himself in bother.
I've said before that IMO all the DT subs that came on the pitch should have been suspended...anyone who punched should also be suspended, but that applies to all sides.
5 year ban is unbelievable. If this is a precedent, there'll be more and more of these bans. Having done this once, they have to treat all future cases in the same way. What about the incident with Louth where the referee was, lets say harrassed, by a supporter after the final with Meath....should Louth not have had a 5 year ban?
I just dont get where that came from.....and if its going to be the norm from now on, fair enough. But unless it is going to be the norm for these sorts of issues then DT have been harshly treated to say the least.
I would imagine the 5 year ban was due to the subs and mentors getting involved in the melee. In the Louth case two of the supporters involved were in court this week, charged with assault. I'm not sure if its fair to punish teams based on incidents not involving the listed team members.
I was only trying to make a point, I like you dont think Louth should have been punished for that. It was just an example that came to mind, you could equally as well use the row last weekend between Armagh and Cork or any number of incidents over the years.
The incident where Kerrigan was sent off?
Editing of the jersey apart, I think the actual photograph is identical. I don't believe you can say with any certainty what happened in that infamous incident based on that photograph. Jordan may be in the midst of a punch on Marsden or he may be grabbing or pushing at the top part of Marsden's jersey. Marsden similarly may have just delivered a punch, or alternatively merely fended off the onrushing Jordan. Anyway, what I am certain of is that there was no cheating on Philip Jordan's part as he's recently made clear on twitter his disdain for cheating in other sports by people like Roberto Mancini so obviously he'd never stoop to those depths himself.
As for Derrytresk, I found the piece below interesting;
QuoteAs for the fracas itself, Derrytresk officials claim their youngest player, 17-year-old Caolan Corr, was punched to the ground in front of the subs, who were sitting in the crowd because there was no proper seating for them in the stadium. They reacted on the spur of the moment to protect a young colleague; the club and its supporters admit this was wrong but insist the punishment is unjust.
A few questions arise from that particular piece of analysis. Was Caolan Corr in so much danger that he required the intervention of a group of over half a dozen? Unless there is another video somewhere, clearly not. Which of the Derrytresk starting players were suspended as a result of this fracas? If the punishment for the fracas is unjust, then that injustice must surely relate to the starting XV as noone could credibly argue that any of the supporters or subs who jumped the fence didn't deserve suspended. Would Derrytresk accept they are fortunate that their number 11 (presumably one of their better players) is fortunate to be playing in the final given his very clear role in a very cowardly act? If he has escaped further punishment because he received a yellow card for his part in the fracas then so be it, those are the rules but his behaviour clearly deserved greater sanction.
I think those attempting to turn this into an anti-Northern vendetta are very foolish to do so and make that allegation without any real basis.
Five-year ban punishes the wrong Derrytresk players
By Martin Breheny
Thursday February 09 2012
JUSTICE extended beyond those found guilty of an offence is justice denied. The GAA disciplinary authorities found Derrytresk more culpable than Dromid Pearses for the ugly incidents which marred the AlB All-Ireland JFC semi-final in Portlaoise last month and acted accordingly, suspending more of their players and handing them a heavier fine.
Understandably, Derrytresk considered that unfair, but had to accept, pending an appeal, that the GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) and the Central Hearings Committee (CHC) reached their decision on the basis of the evidence before them.
Eight suspensions (later reduced to seven), plus a £5,000 fine (later halved to £2,500), was a severe punishment, but not anywhere as draconian, or as far-reaching, as the decision to ban Derrytresk from the Ulster and All-Ireland championships for the next five years.
What's more, it's utterly unfair. Apart altogether from punishing the players who didn't misbehave against Dromid, it sentences another generation to a tough sanction for offences in which they had no involvement.
Young Derrytresk men, who may not even have been in Portlaoise for the All-Ireland semi-final, let alone committed any offence, have been told that if they break into a team that wins a Tyrone title over the next five years, they will not be allowed to compete at Ulster or All-Ireland level.
That sanction is more persecution than justice and is most unlikely to be upheld, certainly if it comes before the Disputes Resolution Authority. Is it not utterly bizarre that the club is allowed to play in next Sunday's All-Ireland final, yet won't be permitted to compete in any future championship before 2018? Why punish players who are 15/16-years-old now when they are 20/21?
They should not have to pay for sins committed by others five years earlier.
Presumably, the decision to defer the ban on Derrytresk until next year was taken to ensure that the junior final would proceed next Sunday. Galway champions Clonbur would get no satisfaction whatsoever from being crowned champions on a walkover, while one suspects that replacing Derrytresk with Dromid Pearses wasn't really an option, since the Kerry club were in trouble with Croke Park too.
However, by allowing Derrytresk to proceed in a championship after committing offences which drew multiple suspensions and a hefty fine and barring them in advance from future championships, the GAA's disciplinary system has stretched logic to breaking point.
Would the same sanction apply if a county team committed the offences which drew such wrath on Derrytresk?
Of course not. In fact, the mere suggestion that a county team would be barred from the championship for five years would be dismissed as being utterly ludicrous.
All of which brings us back to justice. Why hit a small club so hard for the future, while, at the same time, allowing them to continue their pursuit of this year's All-Ireland title?
The offences were committed this year, not in 2013-2017, and should have been dealt with accordingly.
The Derrytresk sub in that O'Sullivan picture, I presume he wasn't one of the pitch invaders during the melee as he was too busy thinking about what he was going to say to his hero Declan after the match.
The Tyrone crowd here would want to wake up.
You all know O'Sullivan was singled out for verbal and physical abuse throughout that game.
If I was him and a Derrytresk sub ran towards me after the match, given all that had happened in the previous hour and a bit, I wouldn't be thinking "This lad obviously just wants to shake my hand."
Considering the referee is approx 7 or 8 meters from the incident surely he would seen the incident & noted it in his report? O'Sullivan surely looking at a 6-8 week suspension here.
This whole saga stinks of double standards, and no doubt O'Sullivan will not even be summoned to explain his actions.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 09, 2012, 12:19:54 PM
Editing of the jersey apart, I think the actual photograph is identical. I don't believe you can say with any certainty what happened in that infamous incident based on that photograph. Jordan may be in the midst of a punch on Marsden or he may be grabbing or pushing at the top part of Marsden's jersey. Marsden similarly may have just delivered a punch, or alternatively merely fended off the onrushing Jordan. Anyway, what I am certain of is that there was no cheating on Philip Jordan's part as he's recently made clear on twitter his disdain for cheating in other sports by people like Roberto Mancini so obviously he'd never stoop to those depths himself.
If Diarmuid had displayed a closed fist in any of the footage or unedited photos of the 2003 AIF incident, his red card would not have been rescinded. If we accept that the O'Sullivan photo is unedited (as the Irish Times apparently do but you never know these days), it clearly shows Declan displaying a closed fist in an altercation situation. Declan clearly must explain this or face consequences.
The only thing worse than the whingers is the anti-whinging whingers.
Quote from: God14 on February 09, 2012, 12:22:56 PM
Considering the referee is approx 7 or 8 meters from the incident surely he would seen the incident & noted it in his report? O'Sullivan surely looking at a 6-8 week suspension here.
This whole saga stinks of double standards, and no doubt O'Sullivan will not even be summoned to explain his actions.
In the photo the referee is not looking in the direction of the incident so I doubt he saw it and therefore it wouldn't be in his report.
I have only skimmed through the thread and can't be arsed going back to check but did handbag-gate result in a ban to the woman? If so that's a joke. How petty are the Kerry ones to report getting a slap with a handbag!? There's lads who would have worse done to them in the bedroom!
As for Declan O'Sullivan, striking is striking and that's what the picture shows. Derrytresk could easily go on a witch-hunt like the Pearses have in the last number of weeks and get him suspended.
I wonder will Diarmuid Ó Sé (Kerry county board cultural officer & a selector with Dromid Pearses) be as quick to make a statement to the press today? :P
""There were inadequate stewards at the ground, people were able to get onto the pitch and throw punches at our players. Declan O'Sullivan got struck by a handbag and was struck by a Derrytresk supporter as well. That was seen by a steward and the Garda have it documented. But it's not good enough and I cannot understand how the GAA can allow this to happen. The GAA have video evidence available and maybe its time to use it"
Monday, January 23, 2012
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 09, 2012, 11:35:10 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 09, 2012, 11:13:43 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 09, 2012, 09:18:35 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 09, 2012, 08:48:43 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 12:58:37 AM
Why was a Derrytresk sub near him in the first place?
Commiserating with him no doubt.
Anyway, still pictures can be very misleading.
::) How is this picture misleading?
Because it doesn't show context. Is this retalliation or did O'Sullivan just walk up and clatter this fella? I don't know either way, but that's why video is much better than stills. I certainly think this was the precursor to the handbag lady alright.
What hypocrisy, the row started because a Derrytresk player retaliated, you can't have your cake and eat it. Derrytresk were tried by the court of public opinion. The sadest part of all of this is an anti Northern bias both on here and in the southern media which is nothing short of shameful.
What are you talking about? At least read my posts before you take them out of context. And I have absolutely no anti Ulster bias, so you can pick that up off the floor too. What I said, if you bothered to read it, was that the picture tells us nothing except that #11 struck, which was wrong, absolutely. The 'row' started because a mentor and a Dromid player got involved with each other, and escalated when the subs cleared the first fence. I'm sure all of that (which we all saw on video for context) was debated in the hearings.
All I am saying here is that the picture shows a punch, and nothing else. Just like this one...
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRh3iD3lJMIbWblt9ODF7JI2NrnHXyKkqYRthkto-xt37BSDEexlPkQ_W9C3g)
Maybe take your own advice and read what I wrote. Firstly you introduced the prospect of the punch being retaliatory, my point being that shouldn't be an excuse. Secondly I didn't accuse you of this bias but the media and others on here. To finish I would agree that pictures can not be viewed out of context.
Quote from: God14 on February 09, 2012, 12:41:52 PM
I wonder will Diarmuid Ó Sé (Kerry county board cultural officer & a selector with Dromid Pearses) be as quick to make a statement to the press today? :P
""There were inadequate stewards at the ground, people were able to get onto the pitch and throw punches at our players. Declan O'Sullivan got struck by a handbag and was struck by a Derrytresk supporter as well. That was seen by a steward and the Garda have it documented. But it's not good enough and I cannot understand how the GAA can allow this to happen. The GAA have video evidence available and maybe its time to use it"
Monday, January 23, 2012
That photograph does nothing to cast doubt on the credibility of the above.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on February 09, 2012, 12:39:03 PM
I have only skimmed through the thread and can't be arsed going back to check but did handbag-gate result in a ban to the woman? If so that's a joke. How petty are the Kerry ones to report getting a slap with a handbag!? There's lads who would have worse done to them in the bedroom!
As for Declan O'Sullivan, striking is striking and that's what the picture shows. Derrytresk could easily go on a witch-hunt like the Pearses have in the last number of weeks and get him suspended.
I presume that's exactly what they are doing. And if he's brought up, he'll get a suspension for that I'm sure. Beware the hidden footage though. I have a feeling both sides are holding cards close to their chests relating to other incidents, it's like a poker game :D I'm hoping it will all be over and done with when the final is played, so everyone can just move on.
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Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 12:58:37 AM
Why was a Derrytresk sub near him in the first place?
Commiserating with him no doubt.
Anyway, still pictures can be very misleading.
::) How is this picture misleading?
Because it doesn't show context. Is this retalliation or did O'Sullivan just walk up and clatter this fella? I don't know either way, but that's why video is much better than stills. I certainly think this was the precursor to the handbag lady alright.
What hypocrisy, the row started because a Derrytresk player retaliated, you can't have your cake and eat it. Derrytresk were tried by the court of public opinion. The sadest part of all of this is an anti Northern bias both on here and in the southern media which is nothing short of shameful.
What are you talking about? At least read my posts before you take them out of context. And I have absolutely no anti Ulster bias, so you can pick that up off the floor too. What I said, if you bothered to read it, was that the picture tells us nothing except that #11 struck, which was wrong, absolutely. The 'row' started because a mentor and a Dromid player got involved with each other, and escalated when the subs cleared the first fence. I'm sure all of that (which we all saw on video for context) was debated in the hearings.
All I am saying here is that the picture shows a punch, and nothing else. Just like this one...
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRh3iD3lJMIbWblt9ODF7JI2NrnHXyKkqYRthkto-xt37BSDEexlPkQ_W9C3g)
Maybe take your own advice and read what I wrote. Firstly you introduced the prospect of the punch being retaliatory, my point being that shouldn't be an excuse. Secondly I didn't accuse you of this bias but the media and others on here. To finish I would agree that pictures can not be viewed out of context.
I never used it as an excuse. I was responding to a question as to why a still picture can be misleading. Your last sentence is exactly my point. We are in violent agreement :D
If that picture is unaltered I'll shoot myself in the face. The state of it.
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Quote from: God14 on February 09, 2012, 12:41:52 PM
I wonder will Diarmuid Ó Sé (Kerry county board cultural officer & a selector with Dromid Pearses) be as quick to make a statement to the press today? :P
""There were inadequate stewards at the ground, people were able to get onto the pitch and throw punches at our players. Declan O'Sullivan got struck by a handbag and was struck by a Derrytresk supporter as well. That was seen by a steward and the Garda have it documented. But it's not good enough and I cannot understand how the GAA can allow this to happen. The GAA have video evidence available and maybe its time to use it"
Monday, January 23, 2012
That photograph does nothing to cast doubt on the credibility of the above.
- your right it doesnt. Thats not my point. If dromid / kerry were so quick to run to the press then about this very incident, then they should also be available & make comment now. i.e he should also impicate / condemn his own player, when he was so quick off the mark to condemn others
Also - is it fair to lambast the GAA itself, the stewarding arrangements, the opposing players / fans - and not mention the fact that your own star player busted some young lad?
(http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/2012/0209/1224311519762_1.jpg?ts=1328792959)
Tut, tut, Declan O'Sullivan, maybe that handbag wasn't quite heavy enough!
fck me, is this what we've come to? That's photo-shopped. It's obvious and it's not even a good attempt.
Quote from: sheamy on February 09, 2012, 01:12:52 PM
fck me, is this what we've come to? That's photo-shopped. It's obvious and it's not even a good attempt.
Try it in here.
http://www.pskiller.com/ (http://www.pskiller.com/)
You don't even need to test it tbh, the player's legs are very clearly cropped.
Very low behaviour from whoever shopped that pic
Agree, you don't need to test it at all but I guarantee if you did you'd find it a fake.
Two young girls walk past unperturbed. A woman looks back with what appears to be a smile and shows no sign of stopping or breaking stride. Referee walks in not noticing a punch which has occured...punching arm looks like it emanates from his chest...etc etc.
It's pathetic. If this is what GAA has come to it's a disgrace and the people involved should be ashamed of themselves. Feeding the likes of the Irish Times with this rubbish.
Quote from: sheamy on February 09, 2012, 01:36:41 PM
Agree, you don't need to test it at all but I guarantee if you did you'd find it a fake.
Two young girls walk past unperturbed. A woman looks back with what appears to be a smile and shows no sign of stopping or breaking stride. Referee walks in not noticing a punch which has occured...punching arm looks like it emanates from his chest...etc etc.
It's pathetic. If this is what GAA has come to it's a disgrace and the people involved should be ashamed of themselves. Feeding the likes of the Irish Times with this rubbish.
I put the picture through the pskiller website link and the following message came up " EXIF Make/Model data is missing." What does that mean?
Declan O'S officially has the longest arm in the world, it would down to his knee of this were real!
Edit: Typical Nordies!
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on February 09, 2012, 01:58:50 PM
Declan O'S officially has the longest arm in the world, it would down to his knee of this were real!
Edit: Typical Nordies!
Ahem...excuse me?
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Quote from: sheamy on February 09, 2012, 01:36:41 PM
Agree, you don't need to test it at all but I guarantee if you did you'd find it a fake.
Two young girls walk past unperturbed. A woman looks back with what appears to be a smile and shows no sign of stopping or breaking stride. Referee walks in not noticing a punch which has occured...punching arm looks like it emanates from his chest...etc etc.
It's pathetic. If this is what GAA has come to it's a disgrace and the people involved should be ashamed of themselves. Feeding the likes of the Irish Times with this rubbish.
I put the picture through the pskiller website link and the following message came up " EXIF Make/Model data is missing." What does that mean?
An original will carry the camera make etc encoded into the image. However, that's misleading in this case as the image will have been scaled down for the website. The program used (probably photoshop) will have removed that info.
Ignore that website. Look at the state of it sure! :D :D
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on February 09, 2012, 01:58:50 PM
Declan O'S officially has the longest arm in the world, it would down to his knee of this were real!
Edit: Typical Nordies!
Ahem...excuse me?
Sure yer always at it......
Editing photos that is
I love how there's a happy lady with a handbag strolling along smiling away just looking back at it at the inopportune moment. Such a crass effort!
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 12:22:48 PM
The Derrytresk sub in that O'Sullivan picture, I presume he wasn't one of the pitch invaders during the melee as he was too busy thinking about what he was going to say to his hero Declan after the match.
The Tyrone crowd here would want to wake up.
You all know O'Sullivan was singled out for verbal and physical abuse throughout that game.
If I was him and a Derrytresk sub ran towards me after the match, given all that had happened in the previous hour and a bit, I wouldn't be thinking "This lad obviously just wants to shake my hand."
Defending the indefensible there jinxy. Despite all this bogus talk of needing to know the context behind the photo, you are assuming the Derrytresk player ran to/at O'Sullivan. If context is so crucial, who's to say the lad wasnt walking to O'Sullivan with hand outstretched? The picture shows him striking. End of story. Turns out Kerry players aren't all angels, ain't that a shocker.
Eddie O'Neil obviously knows how to use photoshop. Pathetic. Irishtimes are worse for not spotting how blatantly fake it is.
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 02:40:30 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 12:22:48 PM
The Derrytresk sub in that O'Sullivan picture, I presume he wasn't one of the pitch invaders during the melee as he was too busy thinking about what he was going to say to his hero Declan after the match.
The Tyrone crowd here would want to wake up.
You all know O'Sullivan was singled out for verbal and physical abuse throughout that game.
If I was him and a Derrytresk sub ran towards me after the match, given all that had happened in the previous hour and a bit, I wouldn't be thinking "This lad obviously just wants to shake my hand."
Defending the indefensible there jinxy. Despite all this bogus talk of needing to know the context behind the photo, you are assuming the Derrytresk player ran to/at O'Sullivan. If context is so crucial, who's to say the lad wasnt walking to O'Sullivan with hand outstretched? The picture shows him striking. End of story. Turns out Kerry players aren't all angels, ain't that a shocker.
The context behind the picture (it's no photo!) is that it never happened. A shabby photoshop effort by someone (from Tyrone presumably) maliciously trying to damage Declan O'Sullivan's reputation.
That could easily be construed as libellous.
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 02:40:30 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 12:22:48 PM
The Derrytresk sub in that O'Sullivan picture, I presume he wasn't one of the pitch invaders during the melee as he was too busy thinking about what he was going to say to his hero Declan after the match.
The Tyrone crowd here would want to wake up.
You all know O'Sullivan was singled out for verbal and physical abuse throughout that game.
If I was him and a Derrytresk sub ran towards me after the match, given all that had happened in the previous hour and a bit, I wouldn't be thinking "This lad obviously just wants to shake my hand."
Defending the indefensible there jinxy. Despite all this bogus talk of needing to know the context behind the photo, you are assuming the Derrytresk player ran to/at O'Sullivan. If context is so crucial, who's to say the lad wasnt walking to O'Sullivan with hand outstretched? The picture shows him striking. End of story. Turns out Kerry players aren't all angels, ain't that a shocker.
Nally, the picture is a fake. It shows nothing but a 4 foot long arm on yer man. Derrytresk were very disgracefully treated but don't resort to this...
Quote from: sheamy on February 09, 2012, 03:24:28 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 02:40:30 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 12:22:48 PM
The Derrytresk sub in that O'Sullivan picture, I presume he wasn't one of the pitch invaders during the melee as he was too busy thinking about what he was going to say to his hero Declan after the match.
The Tyrone crowd here would want to wake up.
You all know O'Sullivan was singled out for verbal and physical abuse throughout that game.
If I was him and a Derrytresk sub ran towards me after the match, given all that had happened in the previous hour and a bit, I wouldn't be thinking "This lad obviously just wants to shake my hand."
Defending the indefensible there jinxy. Despite all this bogus talk of needing to know the context behind the photo, you are assuming the Derrytresk player ran to/at O'Sullivan. If context is so crucial, who's to say the lad wasnt walking to O'Sullivan with hand outstretched? The picture shows him striking. End of story. Turns out Kerry players aren't all angels, ain't that a shocker.
Nally, the picture is a fake. It shows nothing but a 4 foot long arm on yer man. Derrytresk were very disgracefully treated but don't resort to this...
Oh FFS. Aye and the youtube video was all just computer generated special effects ::)
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 03:27:10 PM
Quote from: sheamy on February 09, 2012, 03:24:28 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 02:40:30 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 12:22:48 PM
The Derrytresk sub in that O'Sullivan picture, I presume he wasn't one of the pitch invaders during the melee as he was too busy thinking about what he was going to say to his hero Declan after the match.
The Tyrone crowd here would want to wake up.
You all know O'Sullivan was singled out for verbal and physical abuse throughout that game.
If I was him and a Derrytresk sub ran towards me after the match, given all that had happened in the previous hour and a bit, I wouldn't be thinking "This lad obviously just wants to shake my hand."
Defending the indefensible there jinxy. Despite all this bogus talk of needing to know the context behind the photo, you are assuming the Derrytresk player ran to/at O'Sullivan. If context is so crucial, who's to say the lad wasnt walking to O'Sullivan with hand outstretched? The picture shows him striking. End of story. Turns out Kerry players aren't all angels, ain't that a shocker.
Nally, the picture is a fake. It shows nothing but a 4 foot long arm on yer man. Derrytresk were very disgracefully treated but don't resort to this...
Oh FFS. Aye and the youtube video was all just computer generated special effects ::)
Send me the url to the video of Declan O'Sullivan punching this guy...
The arm is ridiculous. How could you get your arm round there with your shoulder in that position. I would even suspect that one of the two people in the photo are superimposed. If a paper are printing that as real then really journalism has reached a low place.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 09, 2012, 03:28:22 PM
The arm is ridiculous. How could you get your arm round there with your shoulder in that position. I would even suspect that one of the two people in the photo are superimposed. If a paper are printing that as real then really journalism has reached a low place.
Yep. Stand up and try and get your arm into that position keeping your shoulder where it is. The Irish Times have a lot of questions to answer here too. They have an obligation to ensure their sources and material is genuine. They should comment on this.
Jaysus lads yis are clutching at straws here. Look at O'Sullivan leaning heavily and how his right shoulder is clearly strained forward with the lean. How the f**k would you not see his arm like that ::) I suppose the Derrytresk lad had to pull that pose by himself their own empty pitch yesterday so he could be photographed and dropped in too by Derrytresk's resident photoshoper?
Are you on the wind up? It looks like he has a rubber arm!!
lol...Nally, stop digging lad. The arm is so badly placed it's laughable. And that's not even considering the fact that everyone in the picture seems unperturbed that a vicious assault has just taken place ;D ;D
If I was the Tyrone lads I'd stop digging the hole any deeper.
Ye're Junior Champions were out of order , got their punishment, got it slightly alleviated and now need to learn their lesson.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 09, 2012, 03:48:40 PM
If I was the Tyrone lads I'd stop digging the hole any deeper.
Ye're Junior Champions were out of order , got their punishment, got it slightly alleviated and now need to learn their lesson.
+1. concentrate on winning the thing. I hope to god they do. But please don't bring our association into disrepute with shit like fake photos.
Dude, it's as clear a photoshop as you're going to see, wipe your chin.
I'm embarrassed for those claiming it's photoshopped.
I'm trying really hard to believe it's photoshopped :) But I can't see it.
I've known about that photo from about 24 hrs after the game.
Quote from: ONeill on February 09, 2012, 04:01:38 PM
I've known about that photo from about 24 hrs after the game.
Why only release it now? Are they trying to use it to get their guys off for Sunday, or are they trying to get him suspended? Or are they feeling it's about time they put their own grievances into the public domain?
I think the advice was not to release it at all. I think frustrations after the recent disciplinary ruling maybe changed the outlook on that. Probably serves little purpose apart from changing the nation's perspective. Not for me to decide if that worked.
I apologise. I should know no Kerry player has ever, or indeed could ever, commit such an act and anybody who says otherwise is a libelous ruffian.
Just take that photo and put it along with all the other photoshopped ones like this shall we:
(http://jonoclifford.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/paul-galvin-eoin-cadagan.jpg)
Doesn't look photoshopped to me. I can see why people would think it is though, what sort of camera was that taken on? As for someone saying O'Sullivan has a long arm, his torso is twisted in the same direction as can be expected when throwing a punch.
Quote from: ONeill on February 09, 2012, 04:08:44 PM
I think the advice was not to release it at all. I think frustrations after the recent disciplinary ruling maybe changed the outlook on that. Probably serves little purpose apart from changing the nation's perspective. Not for me to decide if that worked.
Was it submitted to the disciplinary hearing or the GAA authorities if it was available 24hrs after the event? Youse are making some fool of yourselves with this on a number of levels. That might affect the nations perspective too.
Noone is denying Derrytresk were wronged and the media campaign was shocking but don't stoop to their level.
OK, Poirot.
There's nothing anatomical in that photo which suggests it is photoshopped. His right arm isn't anywhere I wouldnt expect it to be after throwing a punch.
Quote from: Puckoon on February 09, 2012, 04:17:18 PM
There's nothing anatomical in that photo which suggests it is photoshopped. His right arm isn't anywhere I wouldnt expect it to be after throwing a punch.
Declan O'Sullivan must have had his shoulder dislocated so during that punch. Showed it to the rest of the Physio's here and it's anatomically impossible to get your arm in that position after throwing a punch.....Michael Phelps maybe but not DOS. Good effort but wouldn't fool a trained eye to be honest.
Quote from: ballinaman on February 09, 2012, 04:26:27 PM
Showed it to the rest of the Physio's here and it's anatomically impossible to get your arm in that position after throwing a punch
:D I'd have thought it would be fairly hard to have your arm in anything but that position!
And can anybody explain what the Dessytresk fella is up to? Did Derrytresk's Photoshop man get him to pull that pose after training yesterday so they could photograph it and place him in the shot or does he just have a bad back and always walk like that?
So a number (presumably) of trained physios are adamant that it is impossible his body cannot turn that way? Well you guys are the experts so I'll take your word - but that is more than surprising to me. His right shoulder is up, and while his left arm looks a little lower than I'd expect it, considering his direction and suggested action - it doesnt seem out of the realms of possibility to me - especially where the human body is concnerned - but ill bow to the higher power on this one.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 09, 2012, 01:10:44 PM
(http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/2012/0209/1224311519762_1.jpg?ts=1328792959)
If that is supposed to be Declan O'Sullivan's hand it is definitely photoshopped. Way too long, try doing it yourself. The sub's left fist is clenched, if this is not photoshopped the right arm and clenched fist belongs to the sub as well. Personally I never go shaking hands with clenched fists.
Doesn't look too clenched to me!!!
Hold on there Seamus - the clenched right hand and arm belong to the sub - who is falling backwards and who's right shoulder is pointing just off the ground? :D
Personally I never shake hands with my left hand, t'is bad manners they say.
Quote from: Puckoon on February 09, 2012, 04:34:31 PM
So a number (presumably) of trained physios are adamant that it is impossible his body cannot turn that way? Well you guys are the experts so I'll take your word - but that is more than surprising to me. His right shoulder is up, and while his left arm looks a little lower than I'd expect it, considering his direction and suggested action - it doesnt seem out of the realms of possibility to me - especially where the human body is concnerned - but ill bow to the higher power on this one.
Aye, thats why i said it was a good effort. It's close to being bang on but the fist is too far forward, the shoudler doesnt protract that far forward in a horziontal flexion/adduction range of movement. Try it yourself sure, reach as far as you can across your body with the torso in DOS position. No way a hand could be in that position unless you are a chimp....or michael phelps
O'Sullivan's arm looks absolutely fine to me, doesn't look any longer that it should given the way his body is. I've tried it and I can defo get my arm that far. I am over 6ft, not sure what heights DOS is, but I'd say he's similar enough.
The only doubt I'd have re the pic is the lack of reaction by everyone else in the pic bar the handbag lady.
But somebody in Derrytresk had put their name to that photo. If someone was going to do some photoshopping, I don't think they'd be stupid enough to put their name to it, it'd be leaked some other way.
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 04:32:00 PM
And can anybody explain what the Dessytresk fella is up to? Did Derrytresk's Photoshop man get him to pull that pose after training yesterday so they could photograph it and place him in the shot or does he just have a bad back and always walk like that?
Anybody? Or are we just basing this "faked" theory on some fanciful notion that O'Sullivan's arm is somehow in the wrong place?
I've done it, did it about 3 times before posting the first time! :D
It's certainly doable, but not comfortable - especially moving down and forward - and I'm not even warmed up, never mind just finishing a game.
If you chop O'Sullivan off at the waist there - and turn his toso clockwise about 35 degrees til he's upright - are his shoulders and arm not in the one line perpendictular to the floor? When I put my right arm across my chest I have about the same amount of forearm showing as he seems to? Am I crazy to think this isn't possible? I mean afterall it's downward and forward momentum after allegedly throwing a punch?
Anyway, t'is interesting stuff.
Quote from: Puckoon on February 09, 2012, 04:40:24 PM
Hold on there Seamus - the clenched right hand and arm belong to the sub - who is falling backwards and who's right shoulder is pointing just off the ground? :D
Personally I never shake hands with my left hand, t'is bad manners they say.
The sub's right shoulder cannot be seen and there was plenty of bad manners displayed in that game.
Ah FFS.
I've had just about enough of clipboardmanhandbagphotoshopstretchyarmgate.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 05:02:02 PM
Ah FFS.
I've had just about enough of clipboardmanhandbagphotoshopstretchyarmgate.
:D
doesnt look like a normal strike to me. IF he aimed for the subs chin why would his hand end up around mid torso level? And if i was going to chin someone my fist wouldnt be that shape. It would be a quarter turn around so the thumb was the closest to the ground. Add to it the picture quality of the sub compared to people further from the camera and it looks dodgy. IF it is legit, how did the ref miss it?
Quote from: Seamus on February 09, 2012, 05:01:52 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 09, 2012, 04:40:24 PM
Hold on there Seamus - the clenched right hand and arm belong to the sub - who is falling backwards and who's right shoulder is pointing just off the ground? :D
Personally I never shake hands with my left hand, t'is bad manners they say.
The sub's right shoulder cannot be seen and there was plenty of bad manners displayed in that game.
So what you're saying is that his right arm extends out his mouth then? :D
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 04:32:00 PM
And can anybody explain what the Dessytresk fella is up to? Did Derrytresk's Photoshop man get him to pull that pose after training yesterday so they could photograph it and place him in the shot or does he just have a bad back and always walk like that?
Anybody?
Nobody?
Nobody can be arsed talking to you anymore!
It's the only question no photoshop conspiracy theorists can seem to answer you mean?
Quote from: Puckoon on February 09, 2012, 05:05:48 PM
Quote from: Seamus on February 09, 2012, 05:01:52 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 09, 2012, 04:40:24 PM
Hold on there Seamus - the clenched right hand and arm belong to the sub - who is falling backwards and who's right shoulder is pointing just off the ground? :D
Personally I never shake hands with my left hand, t'is bad manners they say.
The sub's right shoulder cannot be seen and there was plenty of bad manners displayed in that game.
So what you're saying is that his right arm extends out his mouth then? :D
Bottom line, I'm saying that the photo is a complete fake.
This is great fun, glad I made someones day regarding hearing a story. Spectators come home from matches with stories to tell and if there has been a 'handbag' incident then there are always a few more stories about. I was told of the O Sullivan incident with the young Derrytresk player a few days after the game and initially I did not believe it. The picture (as long as it is genuine) would seem to add creditability to the story I heard.
That is not the main point in all of this. The GAA needs to sort disciplinary problems EVERYWHERE, and a clear message put out to teams. However, banning Derrytresk for 5 yrs sends out mixed messages, the appeal has also reduced the fine and one of the players has got off and there is more than likely another appeal to come.
So in future will all clubs receive the same 5 yr ban for an offence similar to that which occurred during 'handbaggate' or is down to the fact that it was an A-I semi. Then you make an appeal and get your fine reduced and get your star forward back for the game.What messages are 'the powers that aren't' sending out. Better direction and leadership is required so that players, managers, clubs and counties can sort out any further disciplinary problems quickly and efficiently.
As a Tyrone person I wish Derrytresk all the best in the final.
When I was a young lad twenty or thirty or forty years ago, I used to do the Spot the Ball competitions in papers, and I was always certain that I had the x'd the ball in the correct place. So much so that sometimes I'd make a list of how I'd spend my winnings. (Normally sherbet, Black Jacks and Mr. Freezes). I never did get it 100% right :'(
Quote from: cornafean on February 09, 2012, 05:19:28 PM
When I was a young lad twenty or thirty or forty years ago, I used to do the Spot the Ball competitions in papers, and I was always certain that I had the x'd the ball in the correct place. So much so that sometimes I'd make a list of how I'd spend my winnings. (Normally sherbet, Black Jacks and Mr. Freezes). I never did get it 100% right :'(
You're confused cornafean. That's a different set of incidents entirely. (allegedly).
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu206/Hardyarse/fistgate.gif)
:D
Quote from: ballinaman on February 09, 2012, 04:50:29 PM
Aye, thats why i said it was a good effort. It's close to being bang on but the fist is too far forward, the shoudler doesnt protract that far forward in a horziontal flexion/adduction range of movement. Try it yourself sure, reach as far as you can across your body with the torso in DOS position. No way a hand could be in that position unless you are a chimp....or michael phelps
I was able to do it pretty easily.
Lads, I am not an expert on photoshop but what I will say is that if it is a photoshop job any newspaper publishing it are leaving themselves open to a law case and that the damages to which the Kerry man would be entitled would make even the best payed (sorry - most generously expensed) county managers eyes water
Quote from: Hardy on February 09, 2012, 05:31:50 PM
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu206/Hardyarse/fistgate.gif)
One armed man or is he practising his hurling swing ( without the hurl of course)
Can the Derry wans just butt out... we know you're trying to wind us up before Sunday's showdown! :D
Ah now...come come Myles. We both know Sunday is a foregone conclusion. Let's look forward to two full teams in the summer. Youse let us down last year. We were devasted.
Anyway, pure diversion. Have the Irish Times commented on this photo yet? Presumably there is about 15 sequence images to match this like all sports photograghers take?
You'll have to ask Eddie O'Neill there Sheamy, since you accused him of photoshopping forgery in the first place! ;)
Ah behave will ya...I have no idea who took the original image and named no man. I share the opinion of many on here.
My sister-in-laws cousins boyfriends uncle is from Derrytresk and he heard from the parish priest that Declan O'Sullivan hit that young lad with a lightsaber.
Is there any footage of that Hardy?
Quote from: sheamy on February 09, 2012, 07:27:56 PM
Ah behave will ya...I have no idea who took the original image and named no man. I share the opinion of many on here.
Maybe, in such a case of crass ignorance, you should have been more careful with your ill-founded counsel.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 07:28:55 PM
My sister-in-laws cousins boyfriends uncle is from Derrytresk and he heard from the parish priest that Declan O'Sullivan hit that young lad with a lightsaber.
Is there any footage of that Hardy?
O'Sullivan is the one in black.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muaAZE0M3LU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muaAZE0M3LU)
It's not ignorance. It's called opinion also expressed by many different people here. You can label it crass for your own agenda. Running down a man's name seems to be the order of the day here.
Look back and you'll see I wasn't the first to raise this prospect. I merely agreed. That allowed? I also expressed several times my total support for Derrytresk and my revulsion at the way they were treated.
Thou does protest too much methinks...
You don't know the source of the photo Sheamy, by your own admission (no opinion needed there), yet you pronounced fairly damningly on it.
It's a very easy thing to find out, from the image itself no less.
???? Jumble words in whatever order you want. Expressing an opinion on an image posted here is exactly that. What don't you understand about that?
You've called Eddie O'Neill a forger (and the Irish Times by proxy), though your own computer uncertainty, nach ea?
No jumbling of words needed, but maybe a bit more clarity with images.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 09, 2012, 08:03:37 PM
You've called Eddie O'Neill a forger (and the Irish Times by proxy), though your own computer uncertainty, nach ea?
No jumbling of words needed, but maybe a bit more clarity with images.
I agree that between both parties only they know for sure. The rest is opinion which, I repeat, I stated and many agreed with. An opinion I am also entitled to express whether you like it or not. The more serious allegation here is that of assault against a man. If this evidence was so potent, why was it not used in the appropriate channels instead of trying to smear a person by media? That alone is unbecoming of any Gael...
Quote from: sheamy on February 09, 2012, 08:22:52 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 09, 2012, 08:03:37 PM
You've called Eddie O'Neill a forger (and the Irish Times by proxy), though your own computer uncertainty, nach ea?
No jumbling of words needed, but maybe a bit more clarity with images.
I agree that between both parties only they know for sure. The rest is opinion which, I repeat, I stated and many agreed with.
So what's this about:
Quote from: sheamy on February 09, 2012, 07:43:38 PM
Look back and you'll see I wasn't the first to raise this prospect. I merely agreed. That allowed?...
And the first post after I posted the pic...
Quote from: sheamy on February 09, 2012, 01:12:52 PM
fck me, is this what we've come to? That's photo-shopped. It's obvious and it's not even a good attempt.
You were the first to raise it (that it was a forgery).
I'd be more circumspect about what I'd call a forgery, especially where it's the lead-pic in an
Irish Times story, where it explains who took the photo, how he always takes photos of Derrytresk's games, and how he didn't release this particular photo until after the GAA's 'due process'.
I don't know the man, in fact I only know one rather follically challenged word-spinning individual from that neck of The Hill! :D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 09, 2012, 08:30:25 PM
You were the first to raise it (that it was a forgery).
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=21006.msg1077481#msg1077481
get your facts right before you post again please...
Your post directly below mine (a photo) refers to a definite Photoshop.
If you were referring to different picture you should have included a reference to it -- basic board convention, my 'facts' stand.
I hope the team from Galway beat them out the gate (metaphorically speaking of course!). There are no winners in all of this, imo. Both teams are guilty of poor taste in this, at best!
i'l be there to support derrytresk on sunday, surely it'l be a sell out
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 09, 2012, 08:38:58 PM
Your post directly below mine (a photo) refers to a definite Photoshop.
If you were referring to different picture you should have included a reference to it -- basic board convention, my 'facts' stand.
wtf? ;D you my english teacher or something? going on about references :D ...I wasn't the first (or the last) one to query the photo. FACT. No matter what fecking academic rules you seek to apply. I still hold my opinion.
Good luck to Derrytresk. I hope they bring it back to ulster to complete a fantastic story. This whole sorry episode makes us all look bad, this latest installment included.
Quote from: sheamy on February 09, 2012, 08:48:00 PM
wtf? ;D you my thesis examiner or something? going on about references :D ...I wasn't the first (or the last) one to query the photo. FACT.
The
FIRST post after I posted
THAT photo was
YOURS! Only a Derryman could construe that as a fact representing anything other than a
FIRST (query or otherwise)! :D
Hope you're beaten out the Omagh gate on Sunday! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 09, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
Quote from: sheamy on February 09, 2012, 08:48:00 PM
wtf? ;D you my thesis examiner or something? going on about references :D ...I wasn't the first (or the last) one to query the photo. FACT.
The FIRST post after I posted THAT photo was YOURS! Only a Derryman could construe that as a fact representing anything other than a FIRST (query or otherwise)! :D
Hope you're beaten out the Omagh gate on Sunday! ;)
lol...finally the mask slips. good luck lad...
Smile in the face of adversity,
Fight on, but never give in,
And no matter how bad things seem,
You always play to win.
Smile in the face of adversity,
When you're given yet another trial,
Don't go backwards, go forwards,
Always go that one last mile.
Up Armagh.
I spend much of my day working with photoshop, and have done so for the past 15 years or so, and I'd be extremely surprised if this image was photoshopped. The tone and light is even across the image and it is extremely difficult to get these things to match up when you're mashing images. That's the first thing I would look for. Secondly, there is motion in the Derrytresk man hand and body which is naturally and perceptibly blended with the background so he was definitely there when the picture was taken. Again the tone and light of Declan O'Sullivan is what points to him being part of the original image. Look also at the grass around the feet. If either had been imported there would be telltale touch ups to blend the grass in. That hasn't happened. If this is doctored, it's an extremely good job, using and extremely propitious cutout of Declan O'Sullivan. It requires greater suspension of disbelief to believe this image is doctored than it does to believe it is genuine.
But sure there are a group of physios sitting somewhere, probably in the whest, who say O'Sullivan's movement is impossible.
You have Sheamy who says it's obvious and not even a good photoshop and guarantees it's a fake and pathetic and a disgrace and laughing at the state of it and definitely a fake.
You have Keane who wants to shoot himself in the face and his legs are clearly cropped and a crass effort.
You have Mayo4sam who reckons it's the longest arm in the world.
You have Ballinaman who reckons yer man's a photoshop genius and pathetic and shame on the Times.
You have Tubberman who reckons it's shabby and malicious and not real.
You have imtommygun who reckons there's serious imposition at work and journalism at a new low.
Seriously lads. Seriously. Take. A. Reddner.
Quote from: Etienne Lantier on February 09, 2012, 09:08:19 PM
I spend much of my day working with photoshop, and have done so for the past 15 years or so, and I'd be extremely surprised if this image was photoshopped. The tone and light is even across the image and it is extremely difficult to get these things to match up when you're mashing images. That's the first thing I would look for. Secondly, there is motion in the Derrytresk man hand and body which is naturally and perceptibly blended with the background so he was definitely there when the picture was taken. Again the tone and light of Declan O'Sullivan is what points to him being part of the original image. Look also at the grass around the feet. If either had been imported there would be telltale touch ups to blend the grass in. That hasn't happened. If this is doctored, it's an extremely good job, using and extremely propitious cutout of Declan O'Sullivan. It requires greater suspension of disbelief to believe this image is doctored than it does to believe it is genuine.
I'd be surprised if a Tyrone man knew how to use photoshop to be honest.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 09:24:17 PM
Quote from: Etienne Lantier on February 09, 2012, 09:08:19 PM
I spend much of my day working with photoshop, and have done so for the past 15 years or so, and I'd be extremely surprised if this image was photoshopped. The tone and light is even across the image and it is extremely difficult to get these things to match up when you're mashing images. That's the first thing I would look for. Secondly, there is motion in the Derrytresk man hand and body which is naturally and perceptibly blended with the background so he was definitely there when the picture was taken. Again the tone and light of Declan O'Sullivan is what points to him being part of the original image. Look also at the grass around the feet. If either had been imported there would be telltale touch ups to blend the grass in. That hasn't happened. If this is doctored, it's an extremely good job, using and extremely propitious cutout of Declan O'Sullivan. It requires greater suspension of disbelief to believe this image is doctored than it does to believe it is genuine.
I'd be surprised if a Tyrone man knew how to use photoshop to be honest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SK0QyHcCIw
Quote from: ONeill on February 09, 2012, 09:22:11 PM
But sure there are a group of physios sitting somewhere, probably in the whest, who say O'Sullivan's movement is impossible.
You have Sheamy who says it's obvious and not even a good photoshop and guarantees it's a fake and pathetic and a disgrace and laughing at the state of it and definitely a fake.
You have Keane who wants to shoot himself in the face and his legs are clearly cropped and a crass effort.
You have Mayo4sam who reckons it's the longest arm in the world.
You have Ballinaman who reckons yer man's a photoshop genius and pathetic and shame on the Times.
You have Tubberman who reckons it's shabby and malicious and not real.
You have imtommygun who reckons there's serious imposition at work and journalism at a new low.
Seriously lads. Seriously. Take. A. Reddner.
There's about 3 things in that photo have been doctored. ::) Either that or declan o'sullivan has elastic arms. If that's what they're printing in papers then I despair.
FWIW I think Derrytresk have been ridiculously harshly dealt with and feel for them. I'm sure they're not innocent but they seem to have been scapegoated for all the media coverage. The likes of the BBC jumping on these kind of things does no-one any favours. They do no one any favours and seem to delight in highlighting rows in GAA games.
Society in general these days seems to have everything as an outrage. This seems to have fallen victim to it. The media also see this and play on people loving a good outrage. Players should have been suspended but the fallout from this is ridiculous.
Quote from: Etienne Lantier on February 09, 2012, 09:08:19 PM
I spend much of my day working with photoshop, and have done so for the past 15 years or so, and I'd be extremely surprised if this image was photoshopped. The tone and light is even across the image and it is extremely difficult to get these things to match up when you're mashing images. That's the first thing I would look for. Secondly, there is motion in the Derrytresk man hand and body which is naturally and perceptibly blended with the background so he was definitely there when the picture was taken. Again the tone and light of Declan O'Sullivan is what points to him being part of the original image. Look also at the grass around the feet. If either had been imported there would be telltale touch ups to blend the grass in. That hasn't happened. If this is doctored, it's an extremely good job, using and extremely propitious cutout of Declan O'Sullivan. It requires greater suspension of disbelief to believe this image is doctored than it does to believe it is genuine.
I nominate you for the Gaa's first video referee/TMO.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 09, 2012, 10:00:54 PM
There's about 3 things in that photo have been doctored. ::)
What are they, now?
Why the need to add "now"?
1. One of those guys has been overlaid onto that photo. It doesn't look right.
2. Something has been doctored with O'Sullivans arm and is possibly a result of 1.
Can you get your arm into that position with your shoulders like that? How so?
Point 3 which I guess is indirectly to do with doctoring:
3. Please explain to me why everyone else on that pitch is so nonchalant. Do you think that if someone was in the midst of decking someone else a ref would be walking off without looking at it, a few people would just walk the same direction and not bat an eyelid and an older(ish) women would be looking round at it with a big grin on her face?
This is not an anti-tyrone campaign. I don't care if Declan O'Sullivan hit someone. However he's been tarnished for that photo and the first time I saw it I believed it was doctored and unless Declan O'Sullivan told me himself it wasn't I wouldn't believe any different.
I think some folk are so used to seeing the 'perfect' photo these days that they're thrown when they see something slightly out of kilter, as almost all impromptu photographs were not so long ago, before there were such new-fangled notions as 'digitistation' and 'software'.
There's nothing wrong with that photo -- it's called realism.
(http://cdn.randomfunnypicture.com/pictures/1904this-might-be-shopped-dolphin-ship-canada.jpg)
1) Trust me totally. He wasn't.
2) As others have said on this thread and tried it, yes it can be done. O'Sullivan's arm hasn't been touched.
3) It takes a split second to throw a punch. It takes a second to respond.
I know the above is 100% correct. What this episode tells me is that you learn more about some posters on here and their judgement. I've noticed the more circumspect have remained quiet or dismissed the accusations.
If the youtube clip was the GAA equivalent of the Zapruder tape, the Declan O'Sullivan photo is now the GAA equivalent of the Roswell alien pictures.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 10:32:29 PM
If the youtube clip was the GAA equivalent of the Zapruder tape, the Declan O'Sullivan photo is now the GAA equivalent of the Roswell alien pictures.
Unless Declan O'Sullivan submits a stiffly worded letter to the Irish Times tomorrow, denying all culpability, we can safely assume that it'll be more a case of 'Ah well' than Roswell. :P
Quote from: ONeill on February 09, 2012, 10:28:01 PM
1) Trust me totally. He wasn't.
2) As others have said on this thread and tried it, yes it can be done. O'Sullivan's arm hasn't been touched.
3) It takes a split second to throw a punch. It takes a second to respond.
I know the above is 100% correct. What this episode tells me is that you learn more about some posters on here and their judgement. I've noticed the more circumspect have remained quiet or dismissed the accusations.
Can I ask you, are you as certain as you realistically can be that it is genuine?
Roswell that ends well.
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 05:11:21 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 04:32:00 PM
And can anybody explain what the Dessytresk fella is up to? Did Derrytresk's Photoshop man get him to pull that pose after training yesterday so they could photograph it and place him in the shot or does he just have a bad back and always walk like that?
Anybody?
Nobody?
Somebody!!! There's plenty of you budding conspiracy theorists here. Some of you shed some light here!
Photoshopped ::)
If we accept that this was a real photo, and to be honest I am inclined to, what is the purpose of it being released now? That's what I'd like to know. Throughout this Declan O'Sullivan has never opened his mouth to anyone, and there were a lot of punches thrown that day. Some of them from the video were cowardly altogether.
Is the purpose of this to a) Somehow help their own appeal. b) Say, belatedly, 'look, the Kerry boys threw punches as well', or c) To try and get him suspended (presumably) for 8 weeks given the other penalties.
I'm just curious here, as it seems a strange time to release the image. And I know there are other images floating around from both camps that have not been released.
If their rationale is a) Then I can't see it happening. b) I could understand, but it sort of nullifies the whole outcry over Dromid and their PR machine, c) Seems spiteful at this stage, unless they feel he should have been suspended, and the CCC ignored them.
Anyone know? O'Neill you seem to have the inside track up there :D
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 09, 2012, 10:18:31 PM
Can you get your arm into that position with your shoulders like that? How so?
Nonsense. Try swinging your arm with full force and speed with your feet fixed
without it ending up in a position like that: impossible.
Muppet - there's always the chance a photoshop effort has taken place and a digital camera has taken a photo of that photoshopped effort on the same camera that took the other photos from the game at around the same time.
Quote from: ONeill on February 09, 2012, 10:28:01 PM
1) Trust me totally. He wasn't.
2) As others have said on this thread and tried it, yes it can be done. O'Sullivan's arm hasn't been touched.
3) It takes a split second to throw a punch. It takes a second to respond.
I know the above is 100% correct. What this episode tells me is that you learn more about some posters on here and their judgement. I've noticed the more circumspect have remained quiet or dismissed the accusations.
That photo ain't right in my view.
Different people can have different opinions so if someone's opinion is different to yours it doesn't raise questions on their judgement. It tells you that their judgement is different to yours. If their judgement is different and that leads to you making the judgmental statement
"learn more about some posters on here and their judgement" then to be honest that statement says a lot about you.
So you know the above is 100% correct.
Did you:
a) take the photo
b) witness this "assault" first-hand
c) see the picture on the device it was taken on?
If the answer is no to the above 3 statements then you can be no more 100% on this than I can be and your "100%" is your opinion. If the answer is yes to any of the above 3 then I will hold my hands up and call an error of judgement. I guess if that were the case it would say a lot about me ::)
FYI I have checked out the history of the photo using an image editor and it is inconclusive. It ended up in a photo editor called zoom ex. Whether that was to rescale or not I don't know.
AZ - I think it was a sense of frustration. The DT FB has been suspended for slapping DO'S's marbles. I'm only guessing here but I think DT tried to argue during the hearing about having consistency. Maybe that led to this leak. You understand the nature of this board and its readership. Let's just say DT could come out with a lot more but there's an AIF to prepare for. They don't wish ill-will on DO'S - just fair play or no play atall.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 09, 2012, 10:39:57 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 09, 2012, 10:18:31 PM
Can you get your arm into that position with your shoulders like that? How so?
Nonsense. Try swinging your arm with full force and speed with your feet fixed without it ending up in a position like that: impossible.
Given the physical (and mental) condition of most posters here that is a very irresponsible post.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 09, 2012, 10:39:57 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 09, 2012, 10:18:31 PM
Can you get your arm into that position with your shoulders like that? How so?
Nonsense. Try swinging your arm with full force and speed with your feet fixed without it ending up in a position like that: impossible.
try doing it with your left arm tucked across your body and not to the left of you to balance you...
You'll cowp... :D :D :D
Quote from: ONeill on February 09, 2012, 10:45:58 PM
AZ - I think it was a sense of frustration. The DT FB has been suspended for slapping DO'S's marbles. I'm only guessing here but I think DT tried to argue during the hearing about having consistency. Maybe that led to this leak. You understand the nature of this board and its readership. Let's just say DT could come out with a lot more but there's an AIF to prepare for. They don't wish ill-will on DO'S - just fair play or no play atall.
I still don't really understand what they hope to gain by it. I understand the frustration at their own suspensions, but of #3 slapped the marbles, then he probably deserves the ban. What bans are they frustrated at? I could understand frustration at the 5 year ban alright, but some of the other suspensions were arguably light for the offence. Obviously missing an All Ireland is a bollix, but I can't understand how publishing this photo at this juncture does anything for their cause.
If they want D'OS punished for this , fair enough, but why now? At the time I remember a DT person saying fair play to D'OS for at least telling a steward to cop on about pressing charges against handbag woman. For him to be highlighted now in this way seems harsh to me, especially when I can't see the point of it from DT's point of view. I don't think anyone has ever said that Dromid weren't involved in the row and throwing their own belts too.
And as for the other material that has not seen the light of day, I think there's plenty on both sides. Let's hope it doesn;t come up now. DT have an All Ireland to prepare for, and Dromid have a new season down in Kerry.
Try patting your head, rubbing your belly and touching the tip of your nose with your tongue at the same time.
Quote from: sheamy on February 09, 2012, 10:49:02 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 09, 2012, 10:39:57 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 09, 2012, 10:18:31 PM
Can you get your arm into that position with your shoulders like that? How so?
Nonsense. Try swinging your arm with full force and speed with your feet fixed without it ending up in a position like that: impossible.
try doing it with your left arm tucked across your body and not to the left of you to balance you...
You'll cowp... :D :D :D
More nonsense: for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction! How is your right arm travelling swiftly to the left balanced by your other arm being on the left? :D
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 10:46:35 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 09, 2012, 10:39:57 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 09, 2012, 10:18:31 PM
Can you get your arm into that position with your shoulders like that? How so?
Nonsense. Try swinging your arm with full force and speed with your feet fixed without it ending up in a position like that: impossible.
Given the physical (and mental) condition of most posters here that is a very irresponsible post.
Present company excepted! :D
Quote from: Take Your Points on February 09, 2012, 10:43:04 PM
This the photo published in the Irish Times today, please note the caption. I'm sure Eddie O'Neill is known to some posters.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/160a2ok.jpg)
A previously unpublished photograph of the All-Ireland junior club football semi-final in Portlaoise shows Declan O'Sullivan (number 11) of Dromid Pearses in an altercation with a Derrytresk player at the end of the game. The photograph was taken by Eddie O'Neill, a Derrytresk club member who regularly takes pictures of club games.
The remainder of the article..............
DOUGLAS DALBY
ALL-IRELAND CLUB JFC: A SHOCKED sense of injustice has turned to seething anger in the Tyrone townland of Derrytresk: instead of looking forward to easily the biggest day in its 109-year history at Croke Park on Sunday, this junior club is reeling from seven suspensions, a €2,500 fine and a five-year ban from representing their county or province.
The 'Good Luck' signs are out and the blue and white Derrytresk colours bedeck the country roads around the clubhouse built by voluntary labour that serves as the hub of this tiny community on the shores of Lough Neagh. There, the chairman Barney Campbell has the air of a man who is still trying to figure out how a fairytale year could have turned so sour.
"We just didn't see the onslaught coming: we put our hands up regarding what happened with our subs and said we would take the punishment but this punishment doesn't fit the crime. I believe we have been scapegoated because we're a wee club from Tyrone who don't have the resources to fight back."
The now infamous mass brawl in Portlaoise during their victory over Kerry side Dromid Pearses lasted barely a minute but has become a YouTube curiosity: 200,000 hits and counting. The video shows Derrytresk substitutes piling onto the park to join the action on the field. The media had a field day.
A female supporter from Kerry told Liveline listeners on Monday how a child had asked her "why are they hurting my daddy" as they watched him being kicked on the ground by several opponents.
The Dromid manager claimed three of his side had their testicles pulled by Derrytresk players before the throw-in; that another had suffered a broken cheekbone and stud marks on his back after he was stamped on and another was suffering from concussion. A woman struck star player Declan O'Sullivan with her handbag.
As for the fracas itself, Derrytresk officials claim their youngest player, 17-year-old Caolan Corr, was punched to the ground in front of the subs, who were sitting in the crowd because there was no proper seating for them in the stadium. They reacted on the spur of the moment to protect a young colleague; the club and its supporters admit this was wrong but insist the punishment is unjust. Further in their defence, they can point to an excellent disciplinary record (one red card and only a few yellows all season) and the fact that they are known as a small, mobile team rather than a physical one.
"We only have two boys over six foot and it would take a few of our other lads put together just to make a single man, they're so scrawny," Campbell said. "We are young, inexperienced and certainly wouldn't have the cynicism or the mentality to plan what some people have been accusing us of. We have been demonised."
Instead of countering the accusations, the club decided to keep its head down and deal with official GAA channels. It expected to be punished but what it didn't realise was that in the court of public opinion, it had already been hung, drawn and quartered. Like many clubs, the role of the PRO is to call in match results, not to defend the seemingly indefensible on national media.
"Very few people up here take much notice of the southern papers or radio – I had hardly heard of Liveline before this all happened. We didn't realise the effect it was having," Campbell said. "We thought the GAA would deal with us fairly: we expected to be punished but we didn't expect a witch hunt."
The Fir an Chnoic (the Men from the Hill) club is drawn from the smallest catchment area in Co Tyrone. The townland three miles from Coalisland barely measures a square mile and comprises fewer than 60 houses. Since its formation in 1903, it has filled the role of whipping boy for the many bigger and far more powerful clubs throughout the county.
"Two years ago a group of five went to watch a match," recalls Ciarán O'Neill, an avid supporter and former player. "Three of them ended up togging out and the two girls ran the line. That's where we were at and that's what we were used to until this year. Now we should be in dreamland but the dream feels like a bit of a nightmare right now."
Over the years the club nearly folded more than once. In the 1950s, emigration took a heavy toll and during the Troubles this overwhelmingly republican area lost players to prison and violence. A large banner on the former RUC station in nearby Coalisland exhorts everyone to attend a commemoration on Sunday week for four IRA men who were shot by the SAS at the church in Clonoe, the parish of which Derrytresk is part.
Before this year, only two players on the panel had even played on the county park in Omagh and nobody has ever come within an ass's roar of the county team. Last season Derrytresk finished 14 out of 18 in the county league. In its long history, it has won few honours – it was the county whipping boy, defeat was taken as given.
This season, though, everything has changed. This team – six sets of brothers among it – won a county final, then a provincial, which brought it 60 minutes away from an All-Ireland final. Four points to three down at half-time against an experienced, seasoned Kerry outfit, this young team rallied to win the game convincingly by 1-10 to 0-7.
Instead of basking in a once in several lifetimes' experience, club officials and players have been making the 170km round trip to Dublin to attend disciplinary and appeals hearings into the early hours of the morning. It now looks like they will do so again one more time before the final.
Packie O'Neill, whose two sons play in the team and who has taken time from his construction job in London to attend the disciplinary appeals, has kept a newspaper scrapbook since the beginning of the campaign. Glowing headlines display a tale of a plucky little team from nowhere taking on giants and felling them. The scrapbook stops after the All-Ireland semi-final. Now newspapers don't come into the house and the radio and television are turned off.
"I am heartbroken for the boys who won't get to run out on Croke Park – they are like sons to me and to see young boys crying isn't right," he said. "They are treating us like dirt – we thought we were part of a family but now we feel we're just not wanted."
In the run-up to the final against Galway's Clonbur, club officials have been trying to shield the team but the furore has been impossible to ignore. "After the game it never entered our heads what would happen to us," said midfielder Ronan O'Neill. "I shook the hands of two elderly Kerrymen on the way out and they congratulated me on the win. We had a great night in the clubhouse: it was only the next day when I read the papers I realised it was a big deal.
"The bans have been devastating – we've been training with these lads all year and we're not just team-mates, we're best friends. You want to be running on to Croke Park with your best mates – that's what you dream about. It has been a distraction but it has made us even more hungry."
The journo obviously didnt speak to other clubs in tyrone. my sources tell me derrytresk are well known for having quite a few trash talking defenders and they are also very quick on the one in all in sort of philosophy. They play the game on the edge and try to intimidate.
This
Quote"I am heartbroken for the boys who won't get to run out on Croke Park – they are like sons to me and to see young boys crying isn't right," he said. "They are treating us like dirt – we thought we were part of a family but now we feel we're just not wanted."
is irrelevant.
I agree it's a pity for the lads themselves, but if they were one of the subs that came in, or punched a lad, then they can't really complain for getting banned.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 09, 2012, 10:51:57 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 09, 2012, 10:45:58 PM
AZ - I think it was a sense of frustration. The DT FB has been suspended for slapping DO'S's marbles. I'm only guessing here but I think DT tried to argue during the hearing about having consistency. Maybe that led to this leak. You understand the nature of this board and its readership. Let's just say DT could come out with a lot more but there's an AIF to prepare for. They don't wish ill-will on DO'S - just fair play or no play atall.
I still don't really understand what they hope to gain by it. I understand the frustration at their own suspensions, but of #3 slapped the marbles, then he probably deserves the ban. What bans are they frustrated at? I could understand frustration at the 5 year ban alright, but some of the other suspensions were arguably light for the offence. Obviously missing an All Ireland is a bollix, but I can't understand how publishing this photo at this juncture does anything for their cause.
If they want D'OS punished for this , fair enough, but why now? At the time I remember a DT person saying fair play to D'OS for at least telling a steward to cop on about pressing charges against handbag woman. For him to be highlighted now in this way seems harsh to me, especially when I can't see the point of it from DT's point of view. I don't think anyone has ever said that Dromid weren't involved in the row and throwing their own belts too.
And as for the other material that has not seen the light of day, I think there's plenty on both sides. Let's hope it doesn;t come up now. DT have an All Ireland to prepare for, and Dromid have a new season down in Kerry.
I understand a lot of that. But you must understand they don't want D'OS punished for this. It was to show the inequality of punishments initially and then to ban DT for 5 years afterwards exasperated it. Also, anyone can email a photo without the club's permission. I also understand it can seem impetuous to release that photo now.
Fair enough. And I understand their frustration at the 5 year ban, even if I can't help but feel they got off (as individuals) lightly enough.
It is a hoor for the club to be missing 7 lads off the panel for an AIF, but I'm not sure which ones they feel shouldn't have been suspended. In fact #11 was a lucky boy himself. (Which probably means Dromid #5 will get off on the same technicality)
Anyway, fair enough, I see where they might be coming from. Sure we won't fall out over it anyway.
Quote from: ONeill on February 09, 2012, 11:00:40 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 09, 2012, 10:51:57 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 09, 2012, 10:45:58 PM
AZ - I think it was a sense of frustration. The DT FB has been suspended for slapping DO'S's marbles. I'm only guessing here but I think DT tried to argue during the hearing about having consistency. Maybe that led to this leak. You understand the nature of this board and its readership. Let's just say DT could come out with a lot more but there's an AIF to prepare for. They don't wish ill-will on DO'S - just fair play or no play atall.
I still don't really understand what they hope to gain by it. I understand the frustration at their own suspensions, but of #3 slapped the marbles, then he probably deserves the ban. What bans are they frustrated at? I could understand frustration at the 5 year ban alright, but some of the other suspensions were arguably light for the offence. Obviously missing an All Ireland is a bollix, but I can't understand how publishing this photo at this juncture does anything for their cause.
If they want D'OS punished for this , fair enough, but why now? At the time I remember a DT person saying fair play to D'OS for at least telling a steward to cop on about pressing charges against handbag woman. For him to be highlighted now in this way seems harsh to me, especially when I can't see the point of it from DT's point of view. I don't think anyone has ever said that Dromid weren't involved in the row and throwing their own belts too.
And as for the other material that has not seen the light of day, I think there's plenty on both sides. Let's hope it doesn;t come up now. DT have an All Ireland to prepare for, and Dromid have a new season down in Kerry.
I understand a lot of that. But you must understand they don't want D'OS punished for this. It was to show the inequality of punishments initially and then to ban DT for 5 years afterwards exasperated it. Also, anyone can email a photo without the club's permission. I also understand it can seem impetuous to release that photo now.
Has Eddie published any other photos?
Out of FB, probably not. He didn't publish it btw.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 09, 2012, 11:03:42 PM
Fair enough. And I understand their frustration at the 5 year ban, even if I can't help but feel they got off (as individuals) lightly enough.
It is a hoor for the club to be missing 7 lads off the panel for an AIF, but I'm not sure which ones they feel shouldn't have been suspended. In fact #11 was a lucky boy himself. (Which probably means Dromid #5 will get off on the same technicality)
Anyway, fair enough, I see where they might be coming from. Sure we won't fall out over it anyway.
Ahh...why did you start it again. No.11 got a yellow for an attempted strike. Why is he lucky?
Quote from: ONeill on February 09, 2012, 11:09:02 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 09, 2012, 11:03:42 PM
Fair enough. And I understand their frustration at the 5 year ban, even if I can't help but feel they got off (as individuals) lightly enough.
It is a hoor for the club to be missing 7 lads off the panel for an AIF, but I'm not sure which ones they feel shouldn't have been suspended. In fact #11 was a lucky boy himself. (Which probably means Dromid #5 will get off on the same technicality)
Anyway, fair enough, I see where they might be coming from. Sure we won't fall out over it anyway.
Ahh...why did you start it again. No.11 got a yellow for an attempted strike. Why is he lucky?
Because he got the yellow from the ref, which meant the suspension they gave him for his 'attempted strike' was presumably thrown out on that technicality. That's why I'm assuming Dromid #5 will get the same treatment. In other words they are actually lucky the ref picked them out at the time of the row and gave them each a yellow.
But the Dromid #5 struck. Twice.
The pushes you mean? Or during the flurry in the row? And I would argue the #11 struck once, knuckles into the head of Dromid #5 as he fell to the ground, but maybe that was the 'attempted' strike.
I suppose we'll have to see the result of #5;s appeal. He's up0 next week!
Jaysus, if you can see knuckle to the head then....anyway, I've Offaly to win this weekend.
Quote from: ONeill on February 09, 2012, 11:20:13 PM
Jaysus, if you can see knuckle to the head then....anyway, I've Offaly to win this weekend.
I see lots of things :D
But I can't see Offaly winning this weekend! (Actually, they might)
Jaysus AZ! Are you still going on about this?
Trying not to Benny :D I'm stopping now!
Quote from: ballinaman on February 09, 2012, 04:50:29 PM
Aye, thats why i said it was a good effort. It's close to being bang on but the fist is too far forward, the shoudler doesnt protract that far forward in a horziontal flexion/adduction range of movement. Try it yourself sure, reach as far as you can across your body with the torso in DOS position. No way a hand could be in that position unless you are a chimp....or michael phelps
:D :D :D This is comedy gold!! What a bollocks!!
What page number is this fecking picture I can't find it!!!!!
Quote from: haranguerer on February 09, 2012, 11:26:40 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on February 09, 2012, 04:50:29 PM
Aye, thats why i said it was a good effort. It's close to being bang on but the fist is too far forward, the shoudler doesnt protract that far forward in a horziontal flexion/adduction range of movement. Try it yourself sure, reach as far as you can across your body with the torso in DOS position. No way a hand could be in that position unless you are a chimp....or michael phelps
:D :D :D This is comedy gold!! What a bollocks!!
Prove it. And we need a photo.
Quote from: muppet on February 09, 2012, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 09, 2012, 11:26:40 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on February 09, 2012, 04:50:29 PM
Aye, thats why i said it was a good effort. It's close to being bang on but the fist is too far forward, the shoudler doesnt protract that far forward in a horziontal flexion/adduction range of movement. Try it yourself sure, reach as far as you can across your body with the torso in DOS position. No way a hand could be in that position unless you are a chimp....or michael phelps
:D :D :D This is comedy gold!! What a bollocks!!
Prove it. And we need a photo.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/160a2ok.jpg)
Quote from: haranguerer on February 09, 2012, 11:51:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 09, 2012, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 09, 2012, 11:26:40 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on February 09, 2012, 04:50:29 PM
Aye, thats why i said it was a good effort. It's close to being bang on but the fist is too far forward, the shoudler doesnt protract that far forward in a horziontal flexion/adduction range of movement. Try it yourself sure, reach as far as you can across your body with the torso in DOS position. No way a hand could be in that position unless you are a chimp....or michael phelps
:D :D :D This is comedy gold!! What a bollocks!!
Prove it. And we need a photo.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/160a2ok.jpg)
Seriously though how long is his arm?!
Quote from: haranguerer on February 09, 2012, 11:51:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 09, 2012, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 09, 2012, 11:26:40 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on February 09, 2012, 04:50:29 PM
Aye, thats why i said it was a good effort. It's close to being bang on but the fist is too far forward, the shoudler doesnt protract that far forward in a horziontal flexion/adduction range of movement. Try it yourself sure, reach as far as you can across your body with the torso in DOS position. No way a hand could be in that position unless you are a chimp....or michael phelps
:D :D :D This is comedy gold!! What a bollocks!!
Prove it. And we need a photo.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/160a2ok.jpg)
Where is your photo proving it can be done?
Was at the game, can't mind it. If this was at the end of the game, Declan was around the middle of the field then and nowhere near that area.
The person who did this is a tool and if I was Declan (my point taking skills may beg to differ) I would not be too happy about it, this is not even a joke it is a slur on someones character and I would hope the moderator remove this straight away. Any one agree?
I'd pay hard cash to see an elbow joint like declan o'sullivans from that picture!unbelievable jeff!not a muscle wrinkle in the upper back too...lads are built like bricks :D but thats taking the piss
Quote from: theticklemister on February 10, 2012, 12:00:47 AM
Was at the game, can't mind it. If this was at the end of the game, Declan was around the middle of the field then and nowhere near that area.
The person who did this is a tool and if I was Declan (my point taking skills may beg to differ) I would not be too happy about it, this is not even a joke it is a slur on someones character and I would hope the moderator remove this straight away. Any one agree?
I agree.
Quote from: theticklemister on February 10, 2012, 12:00:47 AM
Was at the game, can't mind it. If this was at the end of the game, Declan was around the middle of the field then and nowhere near that area.
The person who did this is a tool and if I was Declan (my point taking skills may beg to differ) I would not be too happy about it, this is not even a joke it is a slur on someones character and I would hope the moderator remove this straight away. Any one agree?
you think the irish times would publish a picture doctored by photoshop think about it not a hope.....in my opinion
In fairness, when you throw a punch with your right your fist normally hooks back towards your left arm.
I'm after f**king hurting myself just now trying to replicate the arm position in that picture.
I blame Derrytresk completely for this.
Quote from: bigtogs on February 10, 2012, 12:12:06 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on February 10, 2012, 12:00:47 AM
Was at the game, can't mind it. If this was at the end of the game, Declan was around the middle of the field then and nowhere near that area.
The person who did this is a tool and if I was Declan (my point taking skills may beg to differ) I would not be too happy about it, this is not even a joke it is a slur on someones character and I would hope the moderator remove this straight away. Any one agree?
you think the irish times would publish a picture doctored by photoshop think about it not a hope.....in my opinion
Yeah, that'd be like the Independent running a big story based on a badly translated interview with a Polish girl living in Donegal!
Some soft feckers on this board if you think that your arm wouldn't end up there after being thrown in something other than sweetness and light! :D ('Reaching' anywhere doesn't count!)
Some lads musn't have to bend their arms to put their hands in their trouser pockets. ::)
Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 12:12:44 AM
In fairness, when you throw a punch with your right your fist normally hooks back towards your left arm.
I'm after f**king hurting myself just now trying to replicate the arm position in that picture.
I blame Derrytresk completely for this.
That particular punch is known as the Coyle.
Were you watching Primetime?
Great to see the lads in action again.
Oh John Casey, what were you thinking?!
Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 12:15:09 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 10, 2012, 12:12:06 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on February 10, 2012, 12:00:47 AM
Was at the game, can't mind it. If this was at the end of the game, Declan was around the middle of the field then and nowhere near that area.
The person who did this is a tool and if I was Declan (my point taking skills may beg to differ) I would not be too happy about it, this is not even a joke it is a slur on someones character and I would hope the moderator remove this straight away. Any one agree?
you think the irish times would publish a picture doctored by photoshop think about it not a hope.....in my opinion
Yeah, that'd be like the Independent running a big story based on a badly translated interview with a Polish girl living in Donegal!
listening to Highland Radio the next day after the interview and they had the girl on, she was fuming that the Independent got it wrong and the majority of it was taking out of context.
HOW I KNOW THAT WASN'T DECLAN? BECAUSE MRS. "MARTIN MCGUINNESS OF THE HANDBAG" DERRYTRESK WAS ATTACKING HIM AROUND 20 METRES OUT FROM THE LINE NEAR THE MIDDLE OF THE PITCH, WHILE THE MAJORITY OF THE SUPPORTERS AND TEAM MENTORS OF DERRYTRESK WERE CELEBRATING TOGETHER NOT TO FAR AWAY.
Declan O'Sullivan had to put up with some shite from 'high -5s', to pulling and dragging and then the attack from the handbag. fair fecks to him that he did not retaliate once.
may be if they the nordies returned the 70's and 80's and went to an all ireland semi final got stuffed and the oppisition from the non occupied 23 counties shook your hand and told you to keep up the good work it will pay off some day, you got on the bus and tiddled up the road happy enough to be there not standing in the gaa inventors and aristocats way off winning an all ireland.May be derrytresk should say sorry to the kerry folk and let them play in the final.....just a thought....
Quote from: theticklemister on February 10, 2012, 12:00:47 AM
Was at the game, can't mind it. If this was at the end of the game, Declan was around the middle of the field then and nowhere near that area.
Feck me. Where do you think that pic is taken?
Quote from: bigtogs on February 10, 2012, 12:27:37 AM
may be if they the nordies returned the 70's and 80's and went to an all ireland semi final got stuffed and the oppisition from the non occupied 23 counties shook your hand and told you to keep up the good work it will pay off some day, you got on the bus and tiddled up the road happy enough to be there not standing in the gaa inventors and aristocats way off winning an all ireland.May be derrytresk should say sorry to the kerry folk and let them play in the final.....just a thought....
I'm guessing you are for a United 29 county Ireland?
Quote from: muppet on February 10, 2012, 12:31:53 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 10, 2012, 12:27:37 AM
may be if they the nordies returned the 70's and 80's and went to an all ireland semi final got stuffed and the oppisition from the non occupied 23 counties shook your hand and told you to keep up the good work it will pay off some day, you got on the bus and tiddled up the road happy enough to be there not standing in the gaa inventors and aristocats way off winning an all ireland.May be derrytresk should say sorry to the kerry folk and let them play in the final.....just a thought....
I'm guessing you are for a United 29 county Ireland?
could not play 3 off the non occupied counties as they are in the ulster champion ship ye see.
Quote from: theticklemister on February 10, 2012, 12:00:47 AM
Was at the game, can't mind it. If this was at the end of the game, Declan was around the middle of the field then and nowhere near that area.
How did he get off the field?
he got the field with stewards and buried the shoulder in another derrytresk player who never seen the incident out on the field and was just about to start a radio interview put he hand out and declan run the shoulder into him and refused to shake hands as well...that is a fact..... interviewer who was working for radio station whom i met in work matters told me that.
Quote from: theticklemister on February 10, 2012, 12:27:00 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 12:15:09 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 10, 2012, 12:12:06 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on February 10, 2012, 12:00:47 AM
Was at the game, can't mind it. If this was at the end of the game, Declan was around the middle of the field then and nowhere near that area.
The person who did this is a tool and if I was Declan (my point taking skills may beg to differ) I would not be too happy about it, this is not even a joke it is a slur on someones character and I would hope the moderator remove this straight away. Any one agree?
you think the irish times would publish a picture doctored by photoshop think about it not a hope.....in my opinion
Yeah, that'd be like the Independent running a big story based on a badly translated interview with a Polish girl living in Donegal!
listening to Highland Radio the next day after the interview and they had the girl on, she was fuming that the Independent got it wrong and the majority of it was taking out of context.
HOW I KNOW THAT WASN'T DECLAN? BECAUSE MRS. "MARTIN MCGUINNESS OF THE HANDBAG" DERRYTRESK WAS ATTACKING HIM AROUND 20 METRES OUT FROM THE LINE NEAR THE MIDDLE OF THE PITCH, WHILE THE MAJORITY OF THE SUPPORTERS AND TEAM MENTORS OF DERRYTRESK WERE CELEBRATING TOGETHER NOT TO FAR AWAY.
Declan O'Sullivan had to put up with some shite from 'high -5s', to pulling and dragging and then the attack from the handbag. fair fecks to him that he did not retaliate once.
So maybe we can expect something from DOS denying this took place or do Dromid people not do media?
Quote from: bigtogs on February 10, 2012, 09:09:19 AM
he got the field with stewards and buried the shoulder in another derrytresk player who never seen the incident out on the field and was just about to start a radio interview put he hand out and declan run the shoulder into him and refused to shake hands as well...that is a fact..... interviewer who was working for radio station whom i met in work matters told me that.
ok, let's get this straight...
Declan O'Sullivan punched this sub (the one in the photo) in the face and also shouldered another one after also refusing to shake hands with him? Or was it the same sub? He shouldered him then punched him? Or he dislocated his shoulder in the first incident thus explaining how his arm ended up in that position after the punch?
Jesus, this man should be in jail. Perhaps he just doesn't do handshakes and takes severe offence at them.
Here's another account:
http://www.joe.ie/gaa/gaa-news/could-this-picture-land-kerry-star-declan-osullivan-in-trouble-0020694-1#comment-3771
This guy reckons that the woman in the picture is the one who hit him with a handbag after this incident.
So do we have the first sighting of handbag woman as well??! The plot thickens (or unravels...one or the other)
Mickey Harte joins the fray,cavalry arriving!
Dos should not be jailed or suspended in my opinion just pointing out he ain't as squeaky clean as it potray the few days following the game. I was at the game and I would say declan o sullivan should have been sent off for sure due too his behaviour but was not.If derrytresk was your club would you be happy will all this and the way it was handled on all fronts.On another note on the night off the appeals derrytresk's 5 that appealed and mentors where kept in croke park too half three in the morning hoarded up like animals.
Quote from: bigpaul on February 10, 2012, 09:32:44 AM
Mickey Harte joins the fray,cavalry arriving!
I take it his piece in the Irish News is about Derrytresk.............
Well, well, no letter from Declan O'Sullivan in today's Irish Times bemoaning his misrepsentation. ::)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 10, 2012, 09:54:52 AM
Well, well, no letter from Declan O'Sullivan in today's Irish Times bemoaning his misrepsentation. ::)
He hasn't said a word since the whole thing started, and you can be sure he was contacted by the media given his profile. Why would he change that stance now? Or are you digging at people who say it's a fake picture?
Quote from: bigtogs on February 10, 2012, 09:34:14 AM
Dos should not be jailed or suspended in my opinion just pointing out he ain't as squeaky clean as it potray the few days following the game. I was at the game and I would say declan o sullivan should have been sent off for sure due too his behaviour but was not.If derrytresk was your club would you be happy will all this and the way it was handled on all fronts.On another note on the night off the appeals derrytresk's 5 that appealed and mentors where kept in croke park too half three in the morning hoarded up like animals.
Ok, so the shoulder incident happened separate from, and after, the punch? He was being taken off by stewards presumably after this punch and the handbag attack. He then attacked another derrytresk player. Is that what you're saying?
From the accounts of people here, the irish times photo shows the incident where DOS punched a player who was trying to shake hands with him. He was then allegedly attacked by the woman with the handbag. The stewards then issued him off the pitch where he assaulted another player who was also trying to shake hands with him.
Quote from: sheamy on February 10, 2012, 10:00:09 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 10, 2012, 09:34:14 AM
Dos should not be jailed or suspended in my opinion just pointing out he ain't as squeaky clean as it potray the few days following the game. I was at the game and I would say declan o sullivan should have been sent off for sure due too his behaviour but was not.If derrytresk was your club would you be happy will all this and the way it was handled on all fronts.On another note on the night off the appeals derrytresk's 5 that appealed and mentors where kept in croke park too half three in the morning hoarded up like animals.
Ok, so the shoulder incident happened separate from, and after, the punch? He was being taken off by stewards presumably after this punch and the handbag attack. He then attacked another derrytresk player. Is that what you're saying?
From the accounts of people here, the irish times photo shows the incident where DOS punched a player who was trying to shake hands with him. He was then allegedly attacked by the woman with the handbag. The stewards then issued him off the pitch where he assaulted another player who was also trying to shake hands with him.
Sheamy, you seem to be very vocal in all this - you must have been at the game, was it any good?
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 10, 2012, 10:08:29 AM
Sheamy, you seem to be very vocal in all this - you must have been at the game, was it any good? be a Derryman.
Fixed that for you. ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 10, 2012, 10:11:46 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 10, 2012, 10:08:29 AM
Sheamy, you seem to be very vocal in all this - you must have been at the game, was it any good? be a Derryman.
Fixed that for you. ;)
Lads, play the ball, not the man...if you can't deal with the issues, don't attack me personally.
I wasn't at the game and never claimed to be. Something stinks here as none of the accounts seem to match up and we have a very dodgy looking photo used to slander a players name 3 weeks after the incident.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 10, 2012, 09:59:49 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 10, 2012, 09:54:52 AM
Well, well, no letter from Declan O'Sullivan in today's Irish Times bemoaning his misrepsentation. ::)
He hasn't said a word since the whole thing started, and you can be sure he was contacted by the media given his profile. Why would he change that stance now? Or are you digging at people who say it's a fake picture?
There's a difference AZ: it's one thing refusing to respond to enquiries, but it would be a whole different matter to have a doctored photo of yourself put out there that portrays one in a very bad light; one's passive and the other's active.
In answer to your specific questions: a bit of both.
Sheamy would video evidance do you?
Quote from: sheamy on February 10, 2012, 10:15:53 AM
Lads, play the ball, not the man...if you can't deal with the issues, don't attack me personally.
Attack?! Jeez Sheamy, I haven't even started! ;)
Sheamy, your posts are making me laugh - you are criticising every account that people are recalling from people who were actually at the game - yet you seem quite happy to speak matter of factly even though you probably didnt even know the game was taking place until this all blew up last week. Will you be at the game on Sunday? If not, i await your match report.
Quote from: bigtogs on February 10, 2012, 10:18:19 AM
Sheamy would video evidance do you?
Get her on you tube chief til we see this strike in real speed...
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 10, 2012, 10:18:00 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 10, 2012, 09:59:49 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 10, 2012, 09:54:52 AM
Well, well, no letter from Declan O'Sullivan in today's Irish Times bemoaning his misrepsentation. ::)
He hasn't said a word since the whole thing started, and you can be sure he was contacted by the media given his profile. Why would he change that stance now? Or are you digging at people who say it's a fake picture?
There's a difference AZ: it's one thing refusing to respond to enquiries, but it would be a whole different matter to have a doctored photo of yourself put out there that portrays one in a very bad light; one's passive and the other's active.
In answer to your specific questions: a bit of both.
I don't think it's doctored, so why would Declan come out and say anything? He hasn't said a word since it happened, so I wouldn't expect him to say anything now. He's concentrating on Kerry again now that he's back in that panel for the game with Armagh.
I think if this picture was to come out at all, it should have come out at the start, not 3 weeks later. The photo does nothing to exonerate Derrytresk from the incidents they got suspended for, it can only mean trouble for Declan O'Sullivan, 3 weeks after the fact. Anyway, that's going over old ground myself and O'Neill went through last night, so no point saying the same thing again.
I just can't wait for the final this weekend, and all this to be put behind.
What will you do with your time when all this blows over AZ? :P
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 10:38:59 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 05:11:21 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 04:32:00 PM
And can anybody explain what the Dessytresk fella is up to? Did Derrytresk's Photoshop man get him to pull that pose after training yesterday so they could photograph it and place him in the shot or does he just have a bad back and always walk like that?
Anybody?
Nobody?
Somebody!!!
Sheamy?? Maybe you could explain??
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 10, 2012, 10:27:42 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 10, 2012, 10:18:00 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 10, 2012, 09:59:49 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 10, 2012, 09:54:52 AM
Well, well, no letter from Declan O'Sullivan in today's Irish Times bemoaning his misrepsentation. ::)
He hasn't said a word since the whole thing started, and you can be sure he was contacted by the media given his profile. Why would he change that stance now? Or are you digging at people who say it's a fake picture?
There's a difference AZ: it's one thing refusing to respond to enquiries, but it would be a whole different matter to have a doctored photo of yourself put out there that portrays one in a very bad light; one's passive and the other's active.
In answer to your specific questions: a bit of both.
I don't think it's doctored, so why would Declan come out and say anything? He hasn't said a word since it happened, so I wouldn't expect him to say anything now. He's concentrating on Kerry again now that he's back in that panel for the game with Armagh.
I think if this picture was to come out at all, it should have come out at the start, not 3 weeks later. The photo does nothing to exonerate Derrytresk from the incidents they got suspended for, it can only mean trouble for Declan O'Sullivan, 3 weeks after the fact. Anyway, that's going over old ground myself and O'Neill went through last night, so no point saying the same thing again.
I just can't wait for the final this weekend, and all this to be put behind.
FFS, nobody has kept it going more than yourself. Get over it and move on.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 10, 2012, 10:27:42 AM
I think if this picture was to come out at all, it should have come out at the start, not 3 weeks later. The photo does nothing to exonerate Derrytresk from the incidents they got suspended for, it can only mean trouble for Declan O'Sullivan, 3 weeks after the fact. Anyway, that's going over old ground myself and O'Neill went through last night, so no point saying the same thing again.
Not sure why it's only surfacing now, but it may be more by default than design.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 10, 2012, 10:27:42 AM
I just can't wait for the final this weekend, and all this to be put behind.
Hear bloody hear!
From being in contact with some derrytresk people over the last couple off weeks they where aware this photo along with a few other things where available,they at no stage intended to use it or any other photo or video clip but I think they expected the gaa in someway to make a statement to the effect that for the first couple off days the whole off ireland where only dealing with the dromid pro machine and not a overall reflection.this did not happen and people jumped to all sorts off conclusions that may or may not forced the gaa rightly or wrongly bring them too boot. Would any county team get banned from all ireland series for five years no matter what the offence is we don't know for sure but I suppose we can draw our own conclusion time might tell on that one.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 10, 2012, 10:21:35 AM
Sheamy, your posts are making me laugh - you are criticising every account that people are recalling from people who were actually at the game - yet you seem quite happy to speak matter of factly even though you probably didnt even know the game was taking place until this all blew up last week. Will you be at the game on Sunday? If not, i await your match report.
Benny,
I was at the game and the contradictions between the accounts is clear for all to see. The most vocal defenders of the Hill on this thread weren't at the game either from what I can make out. As a BTW, it was a good enough game of football for the standard expected of Junior football. I'm not going to try and say what appears to be a strike by DOS in the photo didn't happen, but I didn't see it if it did happen.
This following isn't meant as a justification for striking as I have been consistent on this from the start, IE. any man who does it should at the very least expect a slap in the mouth. The niggling, shite talk, heel tramping and other actions that DOS had to put up from the first whistle to the last and after the match is unacceptable in any form. It seems to have become more and more an accepted part of the game which is disgusting.
Quote from: oakleafgael on February 10, 2012, 10:42:06 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 10, 2012, 10:21:35 AM
Sheamy, your posts are making me laugh - you are criticising every account that people are recalling from people who were actually at the game - yet you seem quite happy to speak matter of factly even though you probably didnt even know the game was taking place until this all blew up last week. Will you be at the game on Sunday? If not, i await your match report.
Benny,
I was at the game and the contradictions between the accounts is clear for all to see. The most vocal defenders of the Hill on this thread weren't at the game either from what I can make out. As a BTW, it was a good enough game of football for the standard expected of Junior football. I'm not going to try and say what appears to be a strike by DOS in the photo didn't happen, but I didn't see it if it did happen.
This following isn't meant as a justification for striking as I have been consistent on this from the start, IE. any man who does it should at the very least expect a slap in the mouth. The niggling, shite talk, heel tramping and other actions that DOS had to put up from the first whistle to the last and after the match is unacceptable in any form. It seems to have become more and more an accepted part of the game which is disgusting.
Careful there olg you're not towing the party line on this one. DOS was causing all the bother going round clipping boys and generally being a bad boy to the Derrytresk lads while they ONLY lost it after the Dromid guy had a go at clipboard man.
DOS the big dirty brute even hit a young Derrytresk sub who was looking for an autograph. . . bad bad boy!!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 10, 2012, 10:20:32 AM
Quote from: sheamy on February 10, 2012, 10:15:53 AM
Lads, play the ball, not the man...if you can't deal with the issues, don't attack me personally.
Attack?! Jeez Sheamy, I haven't even started! ;)
you're letting yourself down now...personal attack and slander seems to be the modus operandi of the week. Go ahead but I, like DOS, won't be partaking...
AZ I have watched and read your comments over the last sixty odd pages and it's admirable to see your pursuit of justice, in that you want the guilty party punished at all costs. In your opinion this is Derrytresk and you have gone out of your way to insist that this is not a northern thing or a Tyrone thing, you just want justice to be done.
Now however it seems you don't want DOS punished because this happened three weeks ago, What happened to your pursuit of natural justice that you have pursued for over 60 pages? I have no idea if the photo is genuine, even if it is, it's unlikely to lead to a suspension, nor do I care. However are you still interested in justice? Should DOS be punished if this photo is genuine?
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 10, 2012, 10:31:06 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 10:38:59 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 05:11:21 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 04:32:00 PM
And can anybody explain what the Dessytresk fella is up to? Did Derrytresk's Photoshop man get him to pull that pose after training yesterday so they could photograph it and place him in the shot or does he just have a bad back and always walk like that?
Anybody?
Nobody?
Somebody!!!
Sheamy?? Maybe you could explain??
Come on Sheamy, if the photo is so clearly a fake then you should have a fairly easy explanation.
What did Harte say in his article today?
Quote from: oakleafgael on February 10, 2012, 10:42:06 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 10, 2012, 10:21:35 AM
Sheamy, your posts are making me laugh - you are criticising every account that people are recalling from people who were actually at the game - yet you seem quite happy to speak matter of factly even though you probably didnt even know the game was taking place until this all blew up last week. Will you be at the game on Sunday? If not, i await your match report.
Benny,
I was at the game and the contradictions between the accounts is clear for all to see. The most vocal defenders of the Hill on this thread weren't at the game either from what I can make out. As a BTW, it was a good enough game of football for the standard expected of Junior football. I'm not going to try and say what appears to be a strike by DOS in the photo didn't happen, but I didn't see it if it did happen.
This following isn't meant as a justification for striking as I have been consistent on this from the start, IE. any man who does it should at the very least expect a slap in the mouth. The niggling, shite talk, heel tramping and other actions that DOS had to put up from the first whistle to the last and after the match is unacceptable in any form. It seems to have become more and more an accepted part of the game which is disgusting.
There was some squad from Derry at the game.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 10, 2012, 09:54:52 AM
Well, well, no letter from Declan O'Sullivan in today's Irish Times bemoaning his misrepsentation. ::)
Oh right. That's that then. ::)
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 10, 2012, 10:54:34 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 10, 2012, 10:31:06 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 10:38:59 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 05:11:21 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 04:32:00 PM
And can anybody explain what the Dessytresk fella is up to? Did Derrytresk's Photoshop man get him to pull that pose after training yesterday so they could photograph it and place him in the shot or does he just have a bad back and always walk like that?
Anybody?
Nobody?
Somebody!!!
Sheamy?? Maybe you could explain??
Come on Sheamy, if the photo is so clearly a fake then you should have a fairly easy explanation.
Sweet jasus man, do you really think your style of badgering is effective in making a point. Here's a possible explanation by some other deluded individual like myself. It seems to address the source of your frustration.
http://www.joe.ie/gaa/gaa-news/could-this-picture-land-kerry-star-declan-osullivan-in-trouble-0020694-1#comment-3781
So, prid pro quo, now you answer some of the questions I asked regarding the different accounts presented here.
i heard about this photo the day after the game and it definitely is not a fake. it's just been taken with a cheap camera.
it's only been released now as derrytresk were advised to keep their heads down and say nothing until after the disciplinary/appeals process had taken place.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 10, 2012, 10:56:38 AM
Quote from: oakleafgael on February 10, 2012, 10:42:06 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 10, 2012, 10:21:35 AM
Sheamy, your posts are making me laugh - you are criticising every account that people are recalling from people who were actually at the game - yet you seem quite happy to speak matter of factly even though you probably didnt even know the game was taking place until this all blew up last week. Will you be at the game on Sunday? If not, i await your match report.
Benny,
I was at the game and the contradictions between the accounts is clear for all to see. The most vocal defenders of the Hill on this thread weren't at the game either from what I can make out. As a BTW, it was a good enough game of football for the standard expected of Junior football. I'm not going to try and say what appears to be a strike by DOS in the photo didn't happen, but I didn't see it if it did happen.
This following isn't meant as a justification for striking as I have been consistent on this from the start, IE. any man who does it should at the very least expect a slap in the mouth. The niggling, shite talk, heel tramping and other actions that DOS had to put up from the first whistle to the last and after the match is unacceptable in any form. It seems to have become more and more an accepted part of the game which is disgusting.
There was some squad from Derry at the game.
Well Craigbane were playing afterwards ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 10, 2012, 10:56:38 AM
Quote from: oakleafgael on February 10, 2012, 10:42:06 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 10, 2012, 10:21:35 AM
Sheamy, your posts are making me laugh - you are criticising every account that people are recalling from people who were actually at the game - yet you seem quite happy to speak matter of factly even though you probably didnt even know the game was taking place until this all blew up last week. Will you be at the game on Sunday? If not, i await your match report.
Benny,
I was at the game and the contradictions between the accounts is clear for all to see. The most vocal defenders of the Hill on this thread weren't at the game either from what I can make out. As a BTW, it was a good enough game of football for the standard expected of Junior football. I'm not going to try and say what appears to be a strike by DOS in the photo didn't happen, but I didn't see it if it did happen.
This following isn't meant as a justification for striking as I have been consistent on this from the start, IE. any man who does it should at the very least expect a slap in the mouth. The niggling, shite talk, heel tramping and other actions that DOS had to put up from the first whistle to the last and after the match is unacceptable in any form. It seems to have become more and more an accepted part of the game which is disgusting.
There was some squad from Derry at the game.
There was probably more Derry supporters there than where at Celtic Park last Sunday or will be in Omagh on Sunday.
Quote from: sheamy on February 10, 2012, 10:59:33 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 10, 2012, 10:54:34 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 10, 2012, 10:31:06 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 10:38:59 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 05:11:21 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 09, 2012, 04:32:00 PM
And can anybody explain what the Dessytresk fella is up to? Did Derrytresk's Photoshop man get him to pull that pose after training yesterday so they could photograph it and place him in the shot or does he just have a bad back and always walk like that?
Anybody?
Nobody?
Somebody!!!
Sheamy?? Maybe you could explain??
Come on Sheamy, if the photo is so clearly a fake then you should have a fairly easy explanation.
Sweet jasus man, do you really think your style of badgering is effective in making a point. Here's a possible explanation by some other deluded individual like myself. It seems to address the source of your frustration.
http://www.joe.ie/gaa/gaa-news/could-this-picture-land-kerry-star-declan-osullivan-in-trouble-0020694-1#comment-3781
So, prid pro quo, now you answer some of the questions I asked regarding the different accounts presented here.
Don't go referring me to someone else's view. You are doing some amount of slabbering about photoshop so I'd like your explanation to my questions if you can?
Quote from: Winnie Peg on February 10, 2012, 10:35:29 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 10, 2012, 10:27:42 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 10, 2012, 10:18:00 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 10, 2012, 09:59:49 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 10, 2012, 09:54:52 AM
Well, well, no letter from Declan O'Sullivan in today's Irish Times bemoaning his misrepsentation. ::)
He hasn't said a word since the whole thing started, and you can be sure he was contacted by the media given his profile. Why would he change that stance now? Or are you digging at people who say it's a fake picture?
There's a difference AZ: it's one thing refusing to respond to enquiries, but it would be a whole different matter to have a doctored photo of yourself put out there that portrays one in a very bad light; one's passive and the other's active.
In answer to your specific questions: a bit of both.
I don't think it's doctored, so why would Declan come out and say anything? He hasn't said a word since it happened, so I wouldn't expect him to say anything now. He's concentrating on Kerry again now that he's back in that panel for the game with Armagh.
I think if this picture was to come out at all, it should have come out at the start, not 3 weeks later. The photo does nothing to exonerate Derrytresk from the incidents they got suspended for, it can only mean trouble for Declan O'Sullivan, 3 weeks after the fact. Anyway, that's going over old ground myself and O'Neill went through last night, so no point saying the same thing again.
I just can't wait for the final this weekend, and all this to be put behind.
FFS, nobody has kept it going more than yourself. Get over it and move on.
Fair cop I suppose. But I'm just responding to other posts. I'll just bite my tongue. :D
Quote from: Sandino on February 10, 2012, 10:49:40 AM
AZ I have watched and read your comments over the last sixty odd pages and it's admirable to see your pursuit of justice, in that you want the guilty party punished at all costs. In your opinion this is Derrytresk and you have gone out of your way to insist that this is not a northern thing or a Tyrone thing, you just want justice to be done.
Now however it seems you don't want DOS punished because this happened three weeks ago, What happened to your pursuit of natural justice that you have pursued for over 60 pages? I have no idea if the photo is genuine, even if it is, it's unlikely to lead to a suspension, nor do I care. However are you still interested in justice? Should DOS be punished if this photo is genuine?
Shite, now I have to respond.
Yes, Declan should be punished if he is found to have struck. I'm only questioning the timing of the publication of the photo. Not the content. I've NEVER said in any of my posts that Dromid players who did wrong should not be punished.
No problem AZ thanks for your clarification, you may go back into retirement from this thread. I await your pursuit of justice after the next bout of handbags on another thread ;).
Just to add my tuppence, I don't believe the photo is doctored. However taken on its own out of context without a sequence of other photos or eyewitness accounts it would be unfair to convict Declan O'Sullivan. Surely there are other photos or do the prove that the DT players was far from innocent.
Interesting reactions to both forms of media. After video, very few were interested in the lead up to or cause of the squabble before berating the DT lads. After photo of DOS, whether real or not, people are scraping for justification of his actions(for which there is none), intent in vilifying Derrytresk. Would sicken your hole!
I heard from a very reliable source right after the game that the DT player in question ran up to shake his hand and was struck.
This photo seems to back it up as it is highly unlikely that the player in question, when the people around him are clearly relaxed and tempers have quelled somewhat, would have ran towards O'Sullivan, isolated, to attack him or goad him. Even is he did goad him, which I don't believe he did, it's no justification for that reaction, just like the other incidents in the game.
I really hope Derrytresk get hammered out the gate this weekend.
You have made that clear for a while jinxy
Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 01:23:06 PM
I really hope Derrytresk get hammered out the gate this weekend.
I really hope Derrytresk win.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 01:23:06 PM
I really hope Derrytresk get hammered out the gate this weekend.
Derrytresk have embarressed the organisation and brought great shame t it
Derry and Clonbur double at the weekend!
Incedently that pic was in the Irish Star although not a word was said about it in a report underneath. We are vikings said the Derrytresk management........... Well ye all did mind me of vikings as ye were leaping the wall, just like the vikings when they jumped from their ships onto the shore!
Quote from: Benny Sweeney on February 10, 2012, 01:49:01 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 01:23:06 PM
I really hope Derrytresk get hammered out the gate this weekend.
Derrytresk have embarressed the organisation and brought great shame t it
You are an embarrassment to whichever school taught you how to write.
It's complete madness this whole thing. Get ALL the evidence to the authorities and let them deal with it. People who struck/kicked/came on to the pitch unauthorised get banned.
If there's good reason to have a ban quashed then appeal it. They'll appeal the 5 year ban (and rightly so I think it will be overturned anyway).
Why all this holding back information and other bollocks I really don't understand.
Whatever about Liveline (and I've never listened to it in my life) the facts are fairly clear. Dromid were on the end of some rough house tactics during the game (probably nothing that OTT I would imagine). Some dickhead from Dromid instigated the handbags with clipboard man and then Derrytresk took it from there. Both clubs are guilty for what happened but Dromid's subs didn't jump on to the pitch for a bout of handbags (Derrytresks substitutes haven't a pile of sense about them have they?) which means that Derrytresks punishments are much worse.
How can Derrytresk be crying about DOS not getting banned when the disciplinary committee were not in receipt of that picture? Both Clubs need to STFU and let the whole thing blow over. Neither is doing themselves any favours with the wider GAA Community!!
Quote from: sheamy on February 10, 2012, 10:48:25 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 10, 2012, 10:20:32 AM
Quote from: sheamy on February 10, 2012, 10:15:53 AM
Lads, play the ball, not the man...if you can't deal with the issues, don't attack me personally.
Attack?! Jeez Sheamy, I haven't even started! ;)
you're letting yourself down now...personal attack and slander seems to be the modus operandi of the week. Go ahead but I, like DOS, won't be partaking...
Relax man - there was no personal attack, I was merely tarring
all of you Derry wans with the one brush (Lynchbhoy will lynch me, not to mention my cousins)! ;)
Enjoy the game on Sunday.
Quote from: screenexile on February 10, 2012, 01:59:21 PM
It's complete madness this whole thing. Get ALL the evidence to the authorities and let them deal with it. People who struck/kicked/came on to the pitch unauthorised get banned.
If there's good reason to have a ban quashed then appeal it. They'll appeal the 5 year ban (and rightly so I think it will be overturned anyway).
Why all this holding back information and other bollocks I really don't understand.
Whatever about Liveline (and I've never listened to it in my life) the facts are fairly clear. Dromid were on the end of some rough house tactics during the game (probably nothing that OTT I would imagine). Some d**khead from Dromid instigated the handbags with clipboard man and then Derrytresk took it from there. Both clubs are guilty for what happened but Dromid's subs didn't jump on to the pitch for a bout of handbags (Derrytresks substitutes haven't a pile of sense about them have they?) which means that Derrytresks punishments are much worse.
How can Derrytresk be crying about DOS not getting banned when the disciplinary committee were not in receipt of that picture? Both Clubs need to STFU and let the whole thing blow over. Neither is doing themselves any favours with the wider GAA Community!!
Are DT whining about the picture tho?
I know there's been plenty put up here and in the media regarding it but has there actually been anything offical coming from DT complaining about it? Geniune question as I lost track of the thread a few pages back and can't be bothered reading through it again.
If they are, then definitely, I can't see any benefit in it. But it's just I haven't seen anything coming from the club itself unless you count ONeill...
Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 01:23:06 PM
I really hope Derrytresk get hammered out the gate this weekend.
Meadie jinxy anti-nordie Tyronie shocker!
I'm not anti-nordie.
I've no problem whatsoever with Antrim, Armagh, Down, Derry and Fermanagh.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 02:16:37 PM
I'm not anti-nordie.
I've no problem whatsoever with Antrim, Armagh, Down, Derry and Fermanagh.
Are you saying you just dont like Tyrone?
You sure you're not a closet nordie yourself? :D ;)
Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 02:16:37 PM
I'm not anti-nordie.
I've no problem whatsoever with Antrim, Armagh, Down, Derry and Fermanagh.
What about Cavan, Monaghan or Donegal?
They're not proper nordies.
They lack the necessary aggression.
Quote from: Benny Sweeney on February 10, 2012, 01:49:01 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 01:23:06 PM
I really hope Derrytresk get hammered out the gate this weekend.
Derrytresk have embarrassed the organisation and brought great shame t it
Much as I dislike Tyrone, I have to stick up for them here, Dromid whinging like bitches drew the full attention of the media on this, a fight which they started. Derrytresks subs embarrassed their club and were dealt with appropriately but the club were scapegoated. As a member of a small club used to holding up the league, i hope they win and with style.
It is fair to say no one is on the fence this weekend!
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 10, 2012, 01:58:44 PM
Quote from: Benny Sweeney on February 10, 2012, 01:49:01 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 01:23:06 PM
I really hope Derrytresk get hammered out the gate this weekend.
Derrytresk have embarressed the organisation and brought great shame t it
You are an embarrassment to whichever school taught you how to write.
I have Dyslexia i try my best but dont need to be insulted
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 10, 2012, 02:53:48 PM
Quote from: Benny Sweeney on February 10, 2012, 01:49:01 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 01:23:06 PM
I really hope Derrytresk get hammered out the gate this weekend.
Derrytresk have embarrassed the organisation and brought great shame t it
Much as I dislike Tyrone, I have to stick up for them here, Dromid whinging like bitches drew the full attention of the media on this, a fight which they started. Derrytresks subs embarrassed their club and were dealt with appropriately but the club were scapegoated. As a member of a small club used to holding up the league, i hope they win and with style.
they did the crime they now have to do the time. they have brought serious negative attnetion to gaa and have been pr nitemare.
I have a feeling The Hill will win in style this Sunday. At the same time, apart from recent match reports and a short video, I know nowt about Clonbur.
Quote from: ONeill on February 10, 2012, 03:06:23 PM
I have a feeling The Hill will win in style this Sunday. At the same time, apart from recent match reports and a short video, I know nowt about Clonbur.
it will be good for gaa if clonbur win. derrytrisk captain may be use the platform of winning speech to bring shame on gaa again.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on February 10, 2012, 02:56:09 PM
It is fair to say no one is on the fence this weekend!
Tyrone lads would jump it anyways.... ;)
Quote from: Benny Sweeney on February 10, 2012, 03:01:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 10, 2012, 01:58:44 PM
Quote from: Benny Sweeney on February 10, 2012, 01:49:01 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 01:23:06 PM
I really hope Derrytresk get hammered out the gate this weekend.
Derrytresk have embarressed the organisation and brought great shame t it
You are an embarrassment to whichever school taught you how to write.
I have Dyslexia i try my best but dont need to be insulted
Oh the old - "I've got dyslexia" line! ::) You are quite happy to throw around the insults yourself, so as far as I am concerned you are fair game. If you think a small club battling against the odds to make it to an All Ireland final is bringing shame on the GAA then you have an odd perception of things.
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 10, 2012, 02:53:48 PM
Quote from: Benny Sweeney on February 10, 2012, 01:49:01 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 01:23:06 PM
I really hope Derrytresk get hammered out the gate this weekend.
Derrytresk have embarrassed the organisation and brought great shame t it
Much as I dislike Tyrone, I have to stick up for them here, Dromid whinging like bitches drew the full attention of the media on this, a fight which they started. Derrytresks subs embarrassed their club and were dealt with appropriately but the club were scapegoated. As a member of a small club used to holding up the league, i hope they win and with style.
Whinging like bitches? Both sides have been guilty of that if one has. Did i not see a Derrytresk man in the paper yesterday spouting the béal bocht about how "our lads are only small and had to stand up to the big bullys from Dromid". Equally as stupid and false was the Dromid manager claiming he'd never set foot in a GAA field again unless Derrytresk were kicked out.
Neither side has emerged from this with credit..I just wish they'd all shut up and try to behave themselves a bit better in the future.
Quote from: Benny Sweeney on February 10, 2012, 03:10:52 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 10, 2012, 03:06:23 PM
I have a feeling The Hill will win in style this Sunday. At the same time, apart from recent match reports and a short video, I know nowt about Clonbur.
it will be good for gaa if clonbur win. derrytrisk captain may be use the platform of winning speech to bring shame on gaa again.
Fcuk me if this is not a wu then it is a scurrilous attack on a man and a club who have remained relatively silent on the whole affair. If you want Clonbur to win because they represent your county/province but the stated reason is just crap. What better highlights all that is best about the GAA is a small club like Derrytresk doing what they have done. And as Mickey Harte points out their disciplinary record, action of subs apart has been exemplary.
The use of the phrase "The Dromid PR Machine" has been particularly humorous throughout.
It would be a fairytale ending for Derrytresk alright if they were to win.
As a tyronie I would would have wanted them to win regardless. But with the media which hunt that has come from this I have to say it's galvanised my support for them. And it's weird because I know they did wrong and I know they deserved all their punishments. Yet despite this I still feel sorry for them for some unknown reason. I think it's more than likely the way dromid went about it in the days following the game.
Well either that or jinxy.
Quote from: supersarsfields on February 10, 2012, 03:39:47 PM
It would be a fairytale ending for Derrytresk alright if they were to win.
As a tyronie I would would have wanted them to win regardless. But with the media which hunt that has come from this I have to say it's galvanised my support for them. And it's weird because I know they did wrong and I know they deserved all their punishments. Yet despite this I still feel sorry for them for some unknown reason. I think it's more than likely the way dromid went about it in the days following the game.
Well either that or jinxy.
+1 except for the tyronie bit.
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I have a feeling The Hill will win in style this Sunday. At the same time, apart from recent match reports and a short video, I know nowt about Clonbur.
it will be good for gaa if clonbur win. derrytrisk captain may be use the platform of winning speech to bring shame on gaa again.
Fcuk me if this is not a wu then it is a scurrilous attack on a man and a club who have remained relatively silent on the whole affair. If you want Clonbur to win because they represent your county/province but the stated reason is just crap. What better highlights all that is best about the GAA is a small club like Derrytresk doing what they have done. And as Mickey Harte points out their disciplinary record, action of subs apart has been exemplary.
As opposed to the rest of the superpowers that won their junior club championships around the country.
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Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 01:23:06 PM
I really hope Derrytresk get hammered out the gate this weekend.
Derrytresk have embarressed the organisation and brought great shame t it
You are an embarrassment to whichever school taught you how to write.
I have Dyslexia i try my best but dont need to be insulted
Oh the old - "I've got dyslexia" line! ::) You are quite happy to throw around the insults yourself, so as far as I am concerned you are fair game. If you think a small club battling against the odds to make it to an All Ireland final is bringing shame on the GAA then you have an odd perception of things.
it is a junior comp they are all small clubs.
Derrytresk: The Men From the Hill. Hung For a Sheep or a Lamb?
Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb. Or so the saying goes. Not so my friends. Not so. May your nuts be sledged with a hammer...
We all know what happened last month when Tyrone side Derrytresk played Dromid Pearses in the All Ireland semi final. Or do we? Well we know what happened according the people who made the DVD, sent selective highlights to the media and posted clips on YouTube.
The PR onslaught was a work of genius. It would have drawn an admiring glance from Alastair Campbell, Tony Blair's scheming Spindoctor. (Yes I know all about Blair and British politics and the UK because I live in the UK, or so I was told venomously by Munster 'well wishers' in the Dromid aftermath). To those morons, you know nothing of what it was like to be a Gael in the North over the years, so save it.
Remember what happened Campbell? He spun and spun but in the end, no-one believed a word he said. In any row there are usually three stories. Mine, yours and what really happened. The third is the truth.
Having lost the match on the pitch, a sense of outrage, bitterness, frustration, jealousy or just that plain old bitch called spite led Dromid to start a PR Shock and Awe campaign against the team that beat them. It was A Grade with Commendation stuff. The ideal media mix. TV, radio, newspapers, social media – you couldn't buy that coverage. A lot bought the story though.
Having read accounts of the match on both sides, in the discussion boards, on Twitter it is clear there are indeed two sides to this episode. The fact that one side chose to run to Liveline, itself the last refuge for every malcontent, begrudger and whinger on the island is significant.
Foreign workers claiming the dole and doing the double. Talk to Joe. Business contract awarded outside Ireland. Talk to Joe. School bus gets flat tyre. Talk to Joe. Tyrone team wins All Ireland semi final. Talk to Joe. There was a row. Talk to Joe. Children were terrified. Talk to Joe.
Tubridy has demonstrated time and again on the Late Late Show that mainstream presenters don't get GAA. Duffy reprised the act that day on his show. These invaders from the Land of O'Neill coming down to Portlaoise to scare the shite out of our children how dare they. It was carnage. On the radio that is.
Take two small parishes (remember these are Junior Football teams) give them a run in the county championship. They win their county title. They win the provincial title. Before they know it they are within a goat's bleat of Croker. From his air-conditioned studio, seated on his padded recliner, does Joe Duffy have any idea the passion and the fire that will consume these lads when they open that Dressing Room door and head for the grass?
Have he or his ilk ever been in a Championship team? Experienced the sense of mayhem when a row breaks out? And believe me they do in GAA games, now and then when the stakes are high. Instead of telling people to wise up to f***, it makes good radio to give these wounded souls a hearing.
The Dromid PR machine whinged its way along remorselessly. Throw them out of the final. We can't afford the fine. The most pathetic intervention came from Dr Crokes calling for Segregation – sorry of course I meant 'family ticket packages.' We know what we know and we know what we don't know. I hope Jamie Clarke and Co fillet them too on Sunday.
As is the GAA way, or the CCCC way, suspensions were imposed, including a 48 week ban for the notorious handbag assailant, a woman we are told. She is being advised by a legal team to have her suspension downgraded to a purse. That is Widow Twankey stuff.
On appeal, one of the Derrytresk 8 was left free to play, the fine halved and additional punitive sanctions imposed. Firstly a word to Derrytresk lads, you shouldn't have let on about the anonymous donor paying your five grand until after the fact. Dromid would never have made a PR error of that nature.
The additional punitive measures are a kick in the balls to a club of this size. The banning of all mentors from the touchline verges on spiteful, seriously harming the Derrytresk management capability to run the game. The touchline is a lonely place for a manager and he could do with some assistance during a game of this size. For the duration of the weekend I would appoint the Assistant Manager as Club Secretary, if that requires a special club EGM, and I would name whoever else is needed on the subs bench.
Why the CCCC felt the need to appoint its own water carriers for Derrytresk is beyond me. It raises a player welfare issue in that the team may have their own hydration strategy. Four randomers aren't part of that nor should they be.
My final point is this. A few years back our club got to a football All Ireland Final. We lost, but everyone was in it together, managers, waterboys, ball boys – you name it. It was inspirational and spurred the club to greater things. That included promotion and eventually a senior county championship. It also helped underage recruitment.
Banning Derrytresk from competing in Ulster or representing Ulster for five years is not befitting of the GAA. Where the club is claimed to be the most important unit. We had a situation earlier in the year where in Antrim a referee was attacked and the Club punishment was subsequently lifted. A more serious event, yet a less punitive outcome. How can this be?
This aspect of the process does not serve the GAA, does not help the club and certainly does nothing in PR terms other than pander those that want to Talk to Joe.
Despite the clamour around Derrytresk, the picture in the Irish Times is impeccably timed and perhaps shades the PR war deep into injury time:
A previously unpublished photograph of the All-Ireland junior club football semi-final in Portlaoise shows Declan O'Sullivan (number 11) of Dromid Pearses in an altercation with a Derrytresk player at the end of the game. The photograph was taken by Eddie O'Neill, a Derrytresk club member who regularly takes pictures of club games.
Just consider this, were the shoe on the other foot, a Kerry team in the dock and a conclusive image of household name All Ireland winning Tyrone player shown in a national newspaper in the act of follow through. What would happen?
Therein lies the tale. I have read enough. No harm to Clonbur, my brother in law used to go there on holidays and he tells me it is a lovely place, but Derrytresk need this more than you do.
C'mon Derrytresk. Bring it home. Back to the Hill.
http://www.anfearrua.com/story.asp?id=3286
'No harm to Clonbur, my brother in law used to go there on holidays and he tells me it is a lovely place, but Derrytresk need this more than you do.'
Now I definitely hope Derrytresk get hammered.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 04:48:31 PM
'No harm to Clonbur, my brother in law used to go there on holidays and he tells me it is a lovely place, but Derrytresk need this more than you do.'
Now I definitely hope Derrytresk get hammered.
+1
Mon the Hill!!!!
out of interest are the ones supporting derrytrisk from the north of ireland/tyrone?
I see the blinkers are just as non seeing among some( esp round Co Tyrone) on the Nationalist side as they are on the Unionist side :-\
They're something else them lads ... Do they really believe their bench and maybe even supporters getting involved in a pitch invasion to join a brawl between players is somehow just grand.?
Quote from: Rossfan on February 10, 2012, 05:11:57 PM
I see the blinkers are just as non seeing among some( esp round Co Tyrone) on the Nationalist side as they are on the Unionist side :-\
They're something else them lads ... Do they really believe their bench and maybe even supporters getting involved in a pitch invasion to join a brawl between players is somehow just grand.?
it is a victim complex i think. I have heard/read a lot of partitionist nonsense from (Derrytrisk/tyrone) them since this has all started. they have lost a lot of good will from many here in Ros/surrounding areas
Quote from: Benny Sweeney on February 10, 2012, 05:15:06 PM
they have lost a lot of good will from many here in Ros/surrounding areas
I'd say the lack of support from Ros will have them gutted. I hope they win and break every window in Dromid on the detour home. :D
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Quote from: Benny Sweeney on February 10, 2012, 05:15:06 PM
they have lost a lot of good will from many here in Ros/surrounding areas
I'd say the lack of support from Ros will have them gutted.
they probably dont even know where it is so I will not be losing too much sleep.
Quote from: Benny Sweeney on February 10, 2012, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: cornafean on February 10, 2012, 05:17:35 PM
Quote from: Benny Sweeney on February 10, 2012, 05:15:06 PM
they have lost a lot of good will from many here in Ros/surrounding areas
I'd say the lack of support from Ros will have them gutted.
they probably dont even know where it is so I will not be losing too much sleep.
10 minutes ago it was important enough for you to mention though.
Quote from: cornafean on February 10, 2012, 05:25:31 PM
Quote from: Benny Sweeney on February 10, 2012, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: cornafean on February 10, 2012, 05:17:35 PM
Quote from: Benny Sweeney on February 10, 2012, 05:15:06 PM
they have lost a lot of good will from many here in Ros/surrounding areas
I'd say the lack of support from Ros will have them gutted.
they probably dont even know where it is so I will not be losing too much sleep.
10 minutes ago it was important enough for you to mention though.
apologies i didnt mean to be rude
Quote from: Benny Sweeney on February 10, 2012, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: cornafean on February 10, 2012, 05:25:31 PM
Quote from: Benny Sweeney on February 10, 2012, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: cornafean on February 10, 2012, 05:17:35 PM
Quote from: Benny Sweeney on February 10, 2012, 05:15:06 PM
they have lost a lot of good will from many here in Ros/surrounding areas
I'd say the lack of support from Ros will have them gutted.
they probably dont even know where it is so I will not be losing too much sleep.
10 minutes ago it was important enough for you to mention though.
apologies i didnt mean to be rude
Don't bother, there's a lot of posters on this thread just looking for an argument and something to be offended or outraged about.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 04:48:31 PM
'No harm to Clonbur, my brother in law used to go there on holidays and he tells me it is a lovely place, but Derrytresk need this more than you do.'
Now I definitely hope Derrytresk get hammered.
A Junior Final? Nope. I still don't give a f$&k who wins and I'm from Tyrone.
Then again I'm not obsessed.
Christ I'm in tears here after reading that. Clonbur - you know what you have to do. Derrytresk need this more than you do. Do the right thing for the bleating goat and the wounded souls and the Widow Twankey.
Can't believe we are at 70 pages on this one
This is been blow out of proportion. A few slaps where exchanged, bit of blood lost and a handbag flung. Jesus boys get up and get on with it.. Are ya's men or mouses????
Quote from: armaghranger12 on February 10, 2012, 06:06:15 PM
This is been blow out of proportion. A few slaps where exchanged, bit of blood lost and a handbag flung. Jesus boys get up and get on with it.. Are ya's men or mouses????
It isn't the incident itself that's got the thread to 70 pages. It's the reactions (from both sides) and the attitude that those responses suggest.
Quote from: armaghranger12 on February 10, 2012, 06:06:15 PM
This is been blow out of proportion. A few slaps where exchanged, bit of blood lost and a handbag flung. Jesus boys get up and get on with it.. Are ya's men or mouses????
Mouses?
Quote from: Rossfan on February 10, 2012, 05:11:57 PM
I see the blinkers are just as non seeing among some( esp round Co Tyrone) on the Nationalist side as they are on the Unionist side :-\
They're something else them lads ... Do they really believe their bench and maybe even supporters getting involved in a pitch invasion to join a brawl between players is somehow just grand.?
And it's clear to see some from the south with not so much blinkers but fecking blindfolds on when it suits them.
Quote from: Keane on February 10, 2012, 06:17:47 PM
Quote from: armaghranger12 on February 10, 2012, 06:06:15 PM
This is been blow out of proportion. A few slaps where exchanged, bit of blood lost and a handbag flung. Jesus boys get up and get on with it.. Are ya's men or mouses????
Mouses?
Apoligies for my bad English there it should be Mice...
Uladh! Uladh!
Quote from: armaghranger12 on February 10, 2012, 06:06:15 PM
This is been blow out of proportion. A few slaps where exchanged, bit of blood lost and a handbag flung. Jesus boys get up and get on with it.. Are ya's men or mouses????
Too f**king rights its been blown out of proportions amd its all AZs and Jinxy's fault. I wouldn't mind but neither are from eitjer club, though AZ has close connections. I also think its hilarious that someone from Meath is on hand wringing about violence on the field. Month wonder Banty has his work cut out when even the Meath fans have gone all girlie girlie on us. Mon the Hill, do it for the small men (they are all midgets in Tyrone as we all know)
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Quote from: armaghranger12 on February 10, 2012, 06:06:15 PM
This is been blow out of proportion. A few slaps where exchanged, bit of blood lost and a handbag flung. Jesus boys get up and get on with it.. Are ya's men or mouses????
Too f**king rights its been blown out of proportions amd its all AZs and Jinxy's fault. I wouldn't mind but neither are from eitjer club, though AZ has close connections. I also think its hilarious that someone from Meath is on hand wringing about violence on the field. Month wonder Banty has his work cut out when even the Meath fans have gone all girlie girlie on us. Mon the Hill, do it for the small men (they are all midgets in Tyrone as we all know)
Sly digs from subs, mentors and fans wouldn't be my cup of tea.
I could understand Hardy being a whine, he is 75% Langer at this stage and whining is generic down there but Jinxy man? Anyway, it would be like a Meath man to hit a false belt :P
Say what you like about Meath football but the row in '96 against Mayo was a manly affair once Larry Finnerty and John Casey were taken out of the equation.
None of this ganging up on lads craic.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 07:01:28 PM
Say what you like about Meath football but the row in '96 against Mayo was a manly affair once Larry Finnerty and John Casey were taken out of the equation.
None of this ganging up on lads craic.
Fair play. Typing from the saddle is never easy.
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Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 07:01:28 PM
Say what you like about Meath football but the row in '96 against Mayo was a manly affair once Larry Finnerty and John Casey were taken out of the equation.
None of this ganging up on lads craic.
Good manly bit of stamping on heads from yis in '96 too. Inbred meath animals!
The Tyrone charm offensive is irresistible. Clonbur's support is reaching Manchester United dimensions.
Quote from: ziggysego on February 09, 2012, 11:07:48 AM
Quote from: Hardy on February 09, 2012, 10:03:33 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 09, 2012, 09:47:47 AM
That's an odd reading of it Hardy. Derrytresk have been mightily restrained in all of this.
Are you serious?
I will admit my perception may be skewed by reading this board as opposed to concentrating on what the club itself has been saying. Have a look at Ballymac's last post there, for example. Apart from yet another whinge about perceived bias and injustice, is his narrative about Declan O'Sullivan's alleged behaviour acceptable on the basis of "I had heard this story"? The kangaroo court of the gaaboard couldn't hold a candle to any perceived injustices meted out by the CCCC.
Derrytresk can't be held responsable for anything that is said on the gaaboard, in favour or against them. If they did, I wish to lodge a complaint with Kerry GAA about profilic poster Mike Sheehy.
Oh god what'll I do at all, at all....first I had longrunthefox have a go at me in the Tyrone Meeja and now this.
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 10, 2012, 07:16:48 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 07:01:28 PM
Say what you like about Meath football but the row in '96 against Mayo was a manly affair once Larry Finnerty and John Casey were taken out of the equation.
None of this ganging up on lads craic.
Good manly bit of stamping on heads from yis in '96 too. Inbred meath animals!
He didn't stamp on his head, he stood on it.
Big difference.
It took 106 pages for bandagegate to be introduced.
It's definitely the root of all their psychological issues.
;D
Having objectively looked at the incidents in the recent Dromid/Derrytresk game over and over again, I have come to the definite conclusion that one of the Dromid players and two of the starting Derrytresk XV should have their sentences overturned. Furthermore,the five year ban from competing in Ulster and All Ireland club competitions should be rescinded immediately. As this unfair ban would adversely affect innocent current players and countless of guiltless future players it would be a total denial of natural justice if it were implemented. However, as the invasion of Derrytresk substitutes and spectators was totally out of order the fine should remain. If these changes were announced immediately Derrytresk could concentrate properly on the greatest day in their proud history. I just could imagine the national reaction if a similar five year ban was imposed on a prominent county team! The GAA should treat all of its units whether big or small, north or south, equally. So Derrytresk do your club,county and province proud by going on to win the All Ireland. Every county in Ulster and indeed many in Leinster and Munster will also be supporting you.
We are going to rip off your testicles and slash your tires.
Naomh Padraig, Clonbur (Galway) v Derrytresk (Tyrone), Croke Park, Sun (2.00)
NAOMH Padraig from Clonbur have been the forgotten team in the AIB GAA football All-Ireland junior club championship – but are delighted that their big day is finally here.
With a disciplinary investigation hanging over the other semi-final, there was a chance that the final may not have taken place – but Naomh Padraig captain Eoin Joyce says they are thrilled to be destined for Croke Park again.
"We couldn't do anything about it. The GAA have processes to go through and we let them go through it. We are playing Derrytresk in an All-Ireland final and that's all we are worrying about and are going to give it a rattle and are not going to take notice of anything going on anywhere else," he says – adding that it's a title they wanted to win on the field rather than be handed in a committee room.
"You have to win an All-Ireland final on the field. You don't want the trophy handed to you – you win it on merit. If we deserve to win we'll win and if it's meant to be, it's meant to be. We want to play in Croke Park."
The Clonbur side represent a small club on the Galway-Mayo border. A typically rural club, when he came onto the senior team first he got to play alongside his father, but Joyce has seen the club go into decline since then and after winning their way out of junior last year they see the trip to Croker as bonus territory.
"We haven't fielded at minor or U21 for the last three or four years so it's magical to be here," he says.
"When I first started playing I was 16 and played with my father on the team. We were relegated the following year and then contested four intermediate county finals and lost them all and after that things fell away for us and we lost lads through emigration, retirement and so on.
"We ended up playing junior and luckily enough this is only our second year junior and we are out of it. We got caught with first year syndrome and maybe thought we were too good to be where we were and took things for granted - but we got our ship in order this year.
"Everything has been done professionally, as professional as you can when during the week you might have nine or 10 training at home while the rest of us are away. We got it together and got our county title and this is all bonus territory now," adds Joyce.
For a small club around Connemara emigration is nothing new, but they have noticed its sharper impact in recent years.
"If you look at the team that played in our last intermediate county final five years ago, there has to be at least eight lads gone since then and that's not retirements, that's lads in their mid-20s who needed to move for work," he explains.
"There's no point harping on - it happens every small village like ourselves on the edge of Connemara and that's going to happen. You try and develop underage as best you can and get whoever is there just stick together and plough through and luckily we have.
"This year the county board has allowed three Connemara teams amalgamate to play minor and u21 together which will be of serious benefit to us."
You have to think an All-Ireland title would a serious shot in the arm for their morale too.
Their opponents from Tyrone have been in the spotlight following their semi-final with Dromid, but Derrytresk captain Cathal O'Neill is eager for them to let their football make headlines in the final.
A small club based on the shores of Lough Neagh, their county title was their first in their 108 year history.
Half back O'Neill previously brought back a precious honour to the small club when he was on the Tyrone team that won the 2004 All-Ireland minor crown and his work in captaining Derrytresk to this final has brought him to attention of Tyrone senior manager Mickey Harte.
Other players might have thought about moving to an intermediate or senior club to get noticed – but O'Neill would never leave Derrytresk.
"I would never leave my own club. Where you're from is where you play for. I have always been very proud of that, no matter what," he says.
"It's great to be in Croke Park finally. I got plenty of stick about how bad we were so it's great to be here finally. We were always a junior club. We played intermediate for a few years but that was through winning the League. We had never won a Championship before last year.
"After that '04 minor final my mother asked me did I think I'd ever be back in Croke Park as a player and I didn't see it. I definitely wouldn't have said I'd be playing for Derrytresk.
"It was great when we won the county. We never thought we'd end up in Croke Park. It was unreal for a small community where everyone knows everybody and you're related to half the ones in the place," he adds.
They've had a tough road to get here, beating the Derry, Armagh and Kerry champions along the way. And Cathal O'Neill knows there are hundreds of clubs who envy them.
"Once we won Tyrone we said we'd give this a rattle, like everyone else. We played the Derry champions in the first round, Eire Og of Armagh and then Cremartin in the Ulster final. It has been a great journey.
"Normally at this time of year we're trying to get men off the couch and out of the house for pre-season. It's great to be out and playing at this time of the year when other teams are only coming back," he adds.
http://www.anfearrua.com/db.asp?a=topicdisplay&tid=1160835
Quote from: Take Your Points on February 10, 2012, 07:20:13 PM
From today's Irish Times............
The GAA also confirmed Kerry All-Ireland winning captain Declan O'Sullivan would not face any further investigation on foot of a previously unpublished picture of an altercation between him and a Derrytresk substitute after the match in Portlaoise which was carried in this newspaper yesterday.
The CCCC investigation had reviewed video evidence of the incident and decided against taking action. Stills photography can be used in investigations but it is treated circumspectly and rarely forms the basis of a charge.
Good.
Now maybe we can release a few more photos to clear up photoshopgate as they will not lead to anything but the end of this bickering.
The very best of luck to clonbur. An fhairce abu!
I think Kerry v Ulster has gone beyond the point of no return. Ball grabbing, sub rampaging, photoshopping......there is only so much provocation we can take.
we used to have a lot of time for the Ulster counties in the Kingdom. Unfortunately that is no more.Now we lament how much they have strayed from the true path of Irish identity. Kerry football is the purest expression of Irish identity that anyone can aspire to yet they reject it at every turn....how can we explain this ?
Paul Galvin, ;D
Ah well, all we have in Tyrone is the knowledge that we are descended from the last great (real) Kingdom of Ireland, as opposed to some fanciful notion of a Kingdom whose subjects bear all the pomp and pontific importance of a people alien great gaelic tribes...
Come on Clonbur bring it back to the Republic!!
Quote from: Tubberman on February 10, 2012, 11:45:49 PM
The very best of luck to clonbur. An fhairce abu!
+1
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Quote from: Take Your Points on February 10, 2012, 07:46:25 PM
From today's Irish News........
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Is the woman standing in the background in front of the white wall the same one in the photo from the Irish Times?
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Did we ever find out which team did win the fight in the end? Looks like the Kerry team from the pictures posted. The No 4 for Derrytresk was on the ground knocked out. There were only 5 Dromid players against the whole parish of Derrytrasen. In the bottom picture the Derrytrasen man just got the haymaker. The reason he had that jacket on him is because he couldn't play football or fight.
In my eye Derrytrasen won the match but lost the important part the fight..
Final preparations underway at Croke Park for the Derrytresk subs bench.
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sorry spelt derrytresk wrong i appoligies to all who got offeneded
my spelling is poor
It's worse than poor, it's shite.
Thanks can always rely on a Meath plonker for support...
Good spelling.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 11, 2012, 01:27:39 PM
Final preparations underway at Croke Park for the Derrytresk subs bench.
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Fans left the Hill for Dublin this morning.
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The authorities are ready.
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Quote from: Hardy on February 11, 2012, 02:01:41 PM
The authorities are ready.
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Some of your ex-work colleagues? D'ya member dat one? :P
That was my first thought BC
just saw this on facebook - taken at this evenings hurling finals in croke park. class!!!
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Gobshites ............................... deletes them from friends list ;)
Photoshop....
again.
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 11, 2012, 05:57:23 PM
Quote from: Hardy on February 11, 2012, 02:01:41 PM
The authorities are ready.
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Some of your ex-work colleagues? D'ya member dat one? :P
To be honest, I'd rather be accused of being an ex Tyrone player.
Will the Kerry "its a disgrace, wont someone think of the children" brigade be as swift to condemn Tomas O'se for his actions yesterday?
Quote from: seanaglis on February 12, 2012, 12:12:31 PM
Will the Kerry "its a disgrace, wont someone think of the children" brigade be as swift to condemn Tomas O'se for his actions yesterday?
in fairness on the Radio they did and stated that he should get a hefty suspension as a result of it.
Great day for the GAA with Clonbur winning.
Monaghan hallions at it now.
Kildare hallions at it now............................hope they throw the book at them ;)
Well done Clonbur!
I haven't seen this yet but they were making an awful big deal about it on RTE radio.
Going by what I've read here and elsewhere I get the feeling it was harmless enough stuff in general but if you were to say that on TV/radio you'd be accused of 'burying your head in the sand'.
Colm O'Rourke is on league sunday later so hopefully he tells it like it is.
Gutted derrytresk gice it all run out off bodies well done Clonbur hope they enjoy their victory
Very little in that - a bit of pushing and shoving. Wouldn't be surprised if the red card was overturned.
Were there subs and spectators digging? And handbag-swinging?
Quote from: Jinxy on February 12, 2012, 07:36:22 PM
I haven't seen this yet but they were making an awful big deal about it on RTE radio.
Going by what I've read here and elsewhere I get the feeling it was harmless enough stuff in general but if you were to say that on TV/radio you'd be accused of 'burying your head in the sand'.
Colm O'Rourke is on league sunday later so hopefully he tells it like it is.
Sure did, acknowledged the silliness of GG as a selector/player and how can it be decided in the middle of game "right lads Im going on now"
Some UFC style knee by the bold t'ose :o
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on February 12, 2012, 08:58:05 PM
Some UFC style knee by the bold t'ose :o
And yet they blame McKeever for it ::)
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on February 12, 2012, 08:58:05 PM
Some UFC style knee by the bold t'ose :o
I assume his testicles were groped pre-game by some Nordie ****?
Thought they were a bit sore on Armagh myself, very little credit given for a team that was minus 5/6 of a likely Championship team.
Change the fcking record lads.....
Quote from: bennydorano on February 12, 2012, 09:06:02 PM
Thought they were a bit sore on Armagh myself, very little credit given for a team that was minus 5/6 of a likely Championship team.
We'll not complain Benny, better that everyone thinks we're rubbish.
mckeever musta moved his balls towards o'se's knee i guess......
The double standards where Kerry are concerned are scandalous, I dont think they even realise what they are at. Ger Canning as well, he was denied his usual pathetic fawning commentary - still tried thou.
I see subs and officials were involved in the row today in the tunnel. I can only assume both teams will have eight suspensions each and that both will be banned from taking part in the league for the next five years.
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 12, 2012, 09:20:38 PM
I see subs and officials were involved in the row today in the tunnel. I can only assume both teams will have eight suspensions each and that both will be banned from taking part in the league for the next five years.
did it show tunnel incident on rte?
Shattering defeat. To lead from the 1st minute til the 59th and lose it was hard to take. The suspensions showed in those last 10 mins. Even the Clonbur goal came from confusion in the FB position. No point in identifying underpar performers or decisions on the line. Wasn't meant to be.
Harsh comment on Derrytresk by McStay on that show tonight.
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 12, 2012, 09:20:38 PM
I see subs and officials were involved in the row today in the tunnel. I can only assume both teams will have eight suspensions each and that both will be banned from taking part in the league for the next five years.
Subs and officials are permitted to be in the tunnel at half-time. Subs, officials and supporters are not permitted to ener the field of play to join in a scrap during the game.
So the same penalties will hardly apply.
Quote from: ONeill on February 12, 2012, 09:24:53 PM
Shattering defeat. To lead from the 1st minute til the 59th and lose it was hard to take. The suspensions showed in those last 10 mins. Even the Clonbur goal came from confusion in the FB position. No point in identifying underpar performers or decisions on the line. Wasn't meant to be.
Harsh comment on Derrytresk by McStay on that show tonight.
Derrytrsik engaged in a mass brawl when they had the game won in the semi's. Of course it is there own fault. McStay was spot on.
Quote from: Tubberman on February 12, 2012, 09:25:44 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 12, 2012, 09:20:38 PM
I see subs and officials were involved in the row today in the tunnel. I can only assume both teams will have eight suspensions each and that both will be banned from taking part in the league for the next five years.
Subs and officials are permitted to be in the tunnel at half-time. Subs, officials and supporters are not permitted to ener the field of play to join in a scrap during the game.
So the same penalties will hardly apply.
Doesn't matter anyway, the whole row probably didn't happen at all. It was probably all just computer generated graphics and photos in the paper will have all been photoshopped.
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 12, 2012, 09:30:33 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 12, 2012, 09:25:44 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 12, 2012, 09:20:38 PM
I see subs and officials were involved in the row today in the tunnel. I can only assume both teams will have eight suspensions each and that both will be banned from taking part in the league for the next five years.
Subs and officials are permitted to be in the tunnel at half-time. Subs, officials and supporters are not permitted to ener the field of play to join in a scrap during the game.
So the same penalties will hardly apply.
Doesn't matter anyway, the whole row probably didn't happen at all. It was probably all just computer generated graphics and photos in the paper will have all been photoshopped.
I dont know where you are from but with the whinging and victim complex its odds on you are from Northern Ireland.
You're 100% correct Benny in everything there. Well said.
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on February 12, 2012, 08:59:48 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on February 12, 2012, 08:58:05 PM
Some UFC style knee by the bold t'ose :o
And yet they blame McKeever for it ::)
They didn't. They said he made a meal of it. And it looked like he did. That's not to say that the red card wasn't deserved though.
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 12, 2012, 09:30:33 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 12, 2012, 09:25:44 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 12, 2012, 09:20:38 PM
I see subs and officials were involved in the row today in the tunnel. I can only assume both teams will have eight suspensions each and that both will be banned from taking part in the league for the next five years.
Subs and officials are permitted to be in the tunnel at half-time. Subs, officials and supporters are not permitted to ener the field of play to join in a scrap during the game.
So the same penalties will hardly apply.
Doesn't matter anyway, the whole row probably didn't happen at all. It was probably all just computer generated graphics and photos in the paper will have all been photoshopped.
You put a lot of effort into feeling victimised or wronged, don't you?
Very negative way of living, must be hard having to listen to yourself.
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 12, 2012, 09:33:33 PM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on February 12, 2012, 08:59:48 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on February 12, 2012, 08:58:05 PM
Some UFC style knee by the bold t'ose :o
And yet they blame McKeever for it ::)
They didn't. They said he made a meal of it. And it looked like he did. That's not to say that the red card wasn't deserved though.
A knock in the stones is easily capable of putting a man down.
Well it was a bit of a pre-planned set piece which lyster and mcstay could've avoided on a League Sunday programme, but once the question was asked, short of saying "slap it up the idiots who hurdled the fence in portlaoise", what else was mcstay to say. Harsh it wasn't - truth hurts.
was at the 2 games today, derrytresk can feel hard done by after leading all the game, poor penalty miss in the first half. Clonbur had all the momentum in the final 10 mins and they really did push on when the game was in the melting pot.If it was my club i would not be one bit happy with what mcstay said, it might not have sounded like much but it was a real kick in the balls after what happened them today
Quote from: ONeill on February 12, 2012, 09:24:53 PM
Shattering defeat. To lead from the 1st minute til the 59th and lose it was hard to take. The suspensions showed in those last 10 mins. Even the Clonbur goal came from confusion in the FB position. No point in identifying underpar performers or decisions on the line. Wasn't meant to be.
Harsh comment on Derrytresk by McStay on that show tonight.
they gave their all should be so proud!!!!!!
Was in clones today and the row at half time was not nice to see but I don't think there were too many actual hits. Shoulders and pushing seemed the order of the day. The ref just took a step back and then took action after the break and the TV pictures seem to show that he actually got most of it right. I hope players don't get token suspensions just because the GAA need to show a firm stance. Fines for the 2 counties should suffiice in this case??
Quote from: Tubberman on February 12, 2012, 09:35:26 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 12, 2012, 09:30:33 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 12, 2012, 09:25:44 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 12, 2012, 09:20:38 PM
I see subs and officials were involved in the row today in the tunnel. I can only assume both teams will have eight suspensions each and that both will be banned from taking part in the league for the next five years.
Subs and officials are permitted to be in the tunnel at half-time. Subs, officials and supporters are not permitted to ener the field of play to join in a scrap during the game.
So the same penalties will hardly apply.
Doesn't matter anyway, the whole row probably didn't happen at all. It was probably all just computer generated graphics and photos in the paper will have all been photoshopped.
You put a lot of effort into feeling victimised or wronged, don't you?
Very negative way of living, must be hard having to listen to yourself.
Me? Victimized or wronged? Nope, I'm not from Derrytresk so no skin off my nose.
Awful bit of complaining from yourself though. Irony oozzzing out of your post. "Must be hard having to listen to yourself".
Quote from: Sportacus on February 12, 2012, 09:37:40 PM
Well it was a bit of a pre-planned set piece which lyster and mcstay could've avoided on a League Sunday programme, but once the question was asked, short of saying "slap it up the idiots who hurdled the fence in portlaoise", what else was mcstay to say. Harsh it wasn't - truth hurts.
Ah come on - it was dancing on the grave and completely out of context. Did they mention the Intermediate final?
Quote from: bigtogs on February 12, 2012, 08:27:10 PM
Gutted derrytresk gice it all run out off bodies well done Clonbur hope they enjoy their victory
Well said*, an example of how to lose gracefully even after the media circus of the last 2 weeks.
*EDIT"I am refering to the spirit of the comments not the spelling and punctuation" ;)
Not a Derrytresk man but know them well,felt very,very sore for them at the final whistle today. Thought Mc Stay was cruel tonight, will monitor his comments in the future to see if he is as 'candid' when some of the bigger units of our Association are involved in controversy! You're not a schoolteacher speaking to your pupils Kevin!!!!!! But then a teacher usually shows some empathy towards their pupils,even when dispensing some 'tough love'.Dromid Pearses and some parts of the media should hang their heads. Have to say that a pocket of Kerry folk close by today should have made a better job of concealing their delight.
On the Tomas O' Se incident, RTE really should share the technology which allows these men determine where and with what force some-one has been hit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on February 12, 2012, 09:36:15 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 12, 2012, 09:33:33 PM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on February 12, 2012, 08:59:48 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on February 12, 2012, 08:58:05 PM
Some UFC style knee by the bold t'ose :o
And yet they blame McKeever for it ::)
They didn't. They said he made a meal of it. And it looked like he did. That's not to say that the red card wasn't deserved though.
A knock in the stones is easily capable of putting a man down.
I'd agree, but did you see the footage? Didn't look like it was anywhere near his stones.
Quote from: LeoMc on February 12, 2012, 09:47:13 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 12, 2012, 08:27:10 PM
Gutted derrytresk gice it all run out off bodies well done Clonbur hope they enjoy their victory
Well said*, an example of how to lose gracefully even after the media circus of the last 2 weeks.
*EDIT"I am refering to the spirit of the comments not the spelling and punctuation" ;)
schooling was light!!!!!
I think derrytresk showed today what type of club they are really,contested every ball and stood gracefully untill presentation was over Clonbur captain spoke well fair play too him......sick as a dog though about the last few weeks badly affacted our preparation......but life goes on..
Quote from: bigtogs on February 12, 2012, 09:54:19 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on February 12, 2012, 09:47:13 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 12, 2012, 08:27:10 PM
Gutted derrytresk gice it all run out off bodies well done Clonbur hope they enjoy their victory
Well said*, an example of how to lose gracefully even after the media circus of the last 2 weeks.
*EDIT"I am refering to the spirit of the comments not the spelling and punctuation" ;)
schooling was light!!!!!
I think derrytresk showed today what type of club they are really,contested every ball and stood gracefully untill presentation was over Clonbur captain spoke well fair play too him......sick as a dog though about the last few weeks badly affacted our preparation......but life goes on..
It wasn't a dig, I assumed it was sent from a mobile. Once I posted the first bit I knew someone would pick up on it so thought I would get in first. :)
Quote from: LeoMc on February 12, 2012, 09:58:11 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 12, 2012, 09:54:19 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on February 12, 2012, 09:47:13 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 12, 2012, 08:27:10 PM
Gutted derrytresk gice it all run out off bodies well done Clonbur hope they enjoy their victory
Well said*, an example of how to lose gracefully even after the media circus of the last 2 weeks.
*EDIT"I am refering to the spirit of the comments not the spelling and punctuation" ;)
schooling was light!!!!!
I think derrytresk showed today what type of club they are really,contested every ball and stood gracefully untill presentation was over Clonbur captain spoke well fair play too him......sick as a dog though about the last few weeks badly affacted our preparation......but life goes on..
It wasn't a dig, I assumed it was sent from a mobile. Once I posted the first bit I knew someone would pick up on it so thought I would get in first. :)
cant even blame mobile on a laptop in a dark place!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: bigtogs on February 12, 2012, 10:01:38 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on February 12, 2012, 09:58:11 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 12, 2012, 09:54:19 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on February 12, 2012, 09:47:13 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 12, 2012, 08:27:10 PM
Gutted derrytresk gice it all run out off bodies well done Clonbur hope they enjoy their victory
Well said*, an example of how to lose gracefully even after the media circus of the last 2 weeks.
*EDIT"I am refering to the spirit of the comments not the spelling and punctuation" ;)
schooling was light!!!!!
I think derrytresk showed today what type of club they are really,contested every ball and stood gracefully untill presentation was over Clonbur captain spoke well fair play too him......sick as a dog though about the last few weeks badly affacted our preparation......but life goes on..
It wasn't a dig, I assumed it was sent from a mobile. Once I posted the first bit I knew someone would pick up on it so thought I would get in first. :)
cant even blame mobile on a laptop in a dark place!!!!!!!!!!
You are digging a big hole for yourself with that statement. But sure whatever takes away the pain of defeat. :P
Unlucky Derrytresk after a great run to the final and a very closely contested match today. No question that some of their players and officials let themselves down very badly in the semi final but Derrytresk have paid a big big price for that, with their reputation destroyed in the media hysteria that followed, and the suspensions arguably costing them an All-Ireland title. The suspensions were deserved IMO, but an awful lot of the media attacks on the club were out of order and imbalanced. It wasn't Derrytresk who got 9 yellows and 2 reds in that semi final after all. McStay's comments tonight were a further example of that media hysteria and really lacked class, did himself no credit. Same charges can be applied to certain prominent members of Dromoid Pearses. A very unfortunate and regrettable episode all round really.
Congratulations to Clonbur on a great achievement, all the sh*te about the other semi final should not take away from their success.
Ultimately, as harsh as it sounds, it'll be a long time before a Derrytresk substitute or supporter encroaches on the field of play to get involved in a row.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 12, 2012, 10:39:45 PM
Ultimately, as harsh as it sounds, it'll be a long time before a Derrytresk substitute or supporter encroaches on the field of play to get involved in a row.
Maybe, maybe not. Unfortunately for Deerytresk their schemozzle was captured on camera and pursued by the media.
There was a schemozzle in Clones today and it continued up the tunnel and I'm quite sure there won't be the same repercussions / column inches / radio phone ins devoted to it.
As trite as it sounds Jinxy, nobody in Derrytresk ever said the the subs or supporters weren't totally out of line.Nobody in Derrytresk,that I know of, ever attempted to defend any wrong-doings. Their team put in a truly magnificent display today which was acknowledged by Christy Cooney and the Clonbur captain. They don't need or deserve to be preached to at this time.
There was very little in that 'row' in Clones today and you know it.
Was a single human being struck or injured in any way shape or form?
Did any subs or fans come piling onto the pitch?
Quote from: bigpaul on February 12, 2012, 10:53:37 PM
As trite as it sounds Jinxy, nobody in Derrytresk ever said the the subs or supporters weren't totally out of line.Nobody in Derrytresk,that I know of, ever attempted to defend any wrong-doings. Their team put in a truly magnificent display today which was acknowledged by Christy Cooney and the Clonbur captain. They don't need or deserve to be preached to at this time.
Type 'Derrytresk' into twitter.
Plenty of people including media personalities in Ulster basically saying the GAA did them out of an All-Ireland title.
They did themselves out of an All-Ireland title.
I don't often agree with McStay but he was 100% correct in this instance.
I don't use Twitter, what have 'people including media personalities in Ulster' to do with my last post. You can choose to keep getting stuck in, I think it's time to walk on by the corpse.
I think Derrytresk will be looking for a bit of consistency. I don't think they'll get it.
Colm O'Rourke and a host of other GAA personalities said the D'tresk "row" was blown out of all proportion.
Does the CCCC apply punishment on the basis of the perceived size of the row, small, medium, large or super sized ?
Quote from: Jinxy on February 12, 2012, 10:54:00 PM
There was very little in that 'row' in Clones today and you know it.
Was a single human being struck or injured in any way shape or form?
Did any subs or fans come piling onto the pitch?
From watching both on Telly I'd say there was much the same in both incidents.
Reports are that's mentors and subs from both teams were involved.
This time I hope the media stay out of it and there will. It be the same level of frenzy and suspensions metted out. We will see.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 12, 2012, 10:56:38 PM
Quote from: bigpaul on February 12, 2012, 10:53:37 PM
As trite as it sounds Jinxy, nobody in Derrytresk ever said the the subs or supporters weren't totally out of line.Nobody in Derrytresk,that I know of, ever attempted to defend any wrong-doings. Their team put in a truly magnificent display today which was acknowledged by Christy Cooney and the Clonbur captain. They don't need or deserve to be preached to at this time.
Type 'Derrytresk' into twitter.
Plenty of people including media personalities in Ulster basically saying the GAA did them out of an All-Ireland title.
They did themselves out of an All-Ireland title.
I don't often agree with McStay but he was 100% correct in this instance.
Listen, do something else instead of typing 'Derrytresk' into Twitter. Like read a book.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on February 12, 2012, 11:16:39 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 12, 2012, 10:54:00 PM
There was very little in that 'row' in Clones today and you know it.
Was a single human being struck or injured in any way shape or form?
Did any subs or fans come piling onto the pitch?
From watching both on Telly I'd say there was much the same in both incidents.
Reports are that's mentors and subs from both teams were involved.
This time I hope the media stay out of it and there will. It be the same level of frenzy and suspensions metted out. We will see.
No mentors or subs came onto the field of play.
Pushing and shoving in the tunnel as they go in at half-time is very different from running onto the field and throwing punches.
For people telling me to 'move on', maybe if you stopped indulging in whataboutery we could all move on.
Quote from: ONeill on February 12, 2012, 11:17:54 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 12, 2012, 10:56:38 PM
Quote from: bigpaul on February 12, 2012, 10:53:37 PM
As trite as it sounds Jinxy, nobody in Derrytresk ever said the the subs or supporters weren't totally out of line.Nobody in Derrytresk,that I know of, ever attempted to defend any wrong-doings. Their team put in a truly magnificent display today which was acknowledged by Christy Cooney and the Clonbur captain. They don't need or deserve to be preached to at this time.
Type 'Derrytresk' into twitter.
Plenty of people including media personalities in Ulster basically saying the GAA did them out of an All-Ireland title.
They did themselves out of an All-Ireland title.
I don't often agree with McStay but he was 100% correct in this instance.
Listen, do something else instead of typing 'Derrytresk' into Twitter. Like read a book.
I'm reading two books at the moment while simultaneously browsing the internet.
I'm like Rainman.
A little off topic here. As I grew up in the 70's and 80's I was always told by my elders that we would 'never get anything in Dublin', we weren't liked and we weren't wanted.I always argued against their point.My biggest disappointment in my life within the GAA has been to find that my elders were right all along.
QuoteAs I grew up in the 70's and 80's I was always told by my elders that we would 'never get anything in Dublin'
You got several suspensions and a fine.
You didn't read my earlier post, neither a Hill or Tyrone man am I.
On my way back from the 2000 All Ireland semi final after Armagh had lost to Kerry I stopped in a pub on the way home and met a prominent gaa referee. I complained how I thought Kerry had deliberately taken Cathal O'Rourke out of the game at the start. He told me that it was always harder for Northern teams to get decisions when they played in the south. On saturday a Kerry player knees an Armagh player and yet on television the majority of the discussion is on the Armagh player making a meal of it. It is also said that Armagh were the more cinical team. No mention that they had travelled six hours to play on a heavy pitch and that the majority of these cinical fouls occurred in the last ten minutes as they tired. No mention that some of the cards handed out were very soft - Forker in the first half for example. No mention that some Kerry players for their own greater good need to concentrate on football rather than mouthing to the referee.
I also thought that the discussion on the junior final was unneccessary and in many ways disrespected the winners.
Quote from: Throw ball on February 13, 2012, 12:26:04 AM
I also thought that the discussion on the junior final was unneccessary and in many ways disrespected the winners.
Agreed, Clonbur should be crongratulated on a great performance and would probably point to a few wides in the second-half as a reason why they weren't a little more comfortable.
Quote from: Benny Sweeney on February 12, 2012, 09:32:34 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 12, 2012, 09:30:33 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 12, 2012, 09:25:44 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 12, 2012, 09:20:38 PM
I see subs and officials were involved in the row today in the tunnel. I can only assume both teams will have eight suspensions each and that both will be banned from taking part in the league for the next five years.
Subs and officials are permitted to be in the tunnel at half-time. Subs, officials and supporters are not permitted to ener the field of play to join in a scrap during the game.
So the same penalties will hardly apply.
Doesn't matter anyway, the whole row probably didn't happen at all. It was probably all just computer generated graphics and photos in the paper will have all been photoshopped.
I dont know where you are from but with the whinging and victim complex its odds on you are from Northern Ireland.
BENNY............. YE ARE ONE FECKING p***k
Congrats to Clonbur on a great victory.
Also congrats to Milltown/castlemaine on winning the intermediate club All-Ireland. A fantastic achievement. That's 8 All-Ireland club titles between Junior and Intermediate for Kerry in the last 8 years.
Quote from: Throw ball on February 13, 2012, 12:26:04 AM
On my way back from the 2000 All Ireland semi final after Armagh had lost to Kerry I stopped in a pub on the way home and met a prominent gaa referee. I complained how I thought Kerry had deliberately taken Cathal O'Rourke out of the game at the start. He told me that it was always harder for Northern teams to get decisions when they played in the south. On saturday a Kerry player knees an Armagh player and yet on television the majority of the discussion is on the Armagh player making a meal of it. It is also said that Armagh were the more cinical team. No mention that they had travelled six hours to play on a heavy pitch and that the majority of these cinical fouls occurred in the last ten minutes as they tired. No mention that some of the cards handed out were very soft - Forker in the first half for example. No mention that some Kerry players for their own greater good need to concentrate on football rather than mouthing to the referee.
I also thought that the discussion on the junior final was unneccessary and in many ways disrespected the winners.
First off, anyone with 2 eyes and a brain who saw the Kerry v Armagh game will admit O'Sé deserved to see red...never mind what some idiot TV punters say.
Anyone honest person analysing the game would also say that Armagh WERE pretty cynical but at no stage was there any reckless/dangerous tackles that I saw...it was mainly tactical fouling, and while it may not be pretty, it is effective especially when defending a lead...its not biased to point this out. There is certainly no evidence of a persecution complex to draw from Saturday nights game anyway.
Well done Clonbur and Milltown/Castlemaine. Commiserations to Davitts.
Mike you forgot about commiserations to derrytresk.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 13, 2012, 02:42:36 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on February 13, 2012, 12:26:04 AM
On my way back from the 2000 All Ireland semi final after Armagh had lost to Kerry I stopped in a pub on the way home and met a prominent gaa referee. I complained how I thought Kerry had deliberately taken Cathal O'Rourke out of the game at the start. He told me that it was always harder for Northern teams to get decisions when they played in the south. On saturday a Kerry player knees an Armagh player and yet on television the majority of the discussion is on the Armagh player making a meal of it. It is also said that Armagh were the more cinical team. No mention that they had travelled six hours to play on a heavy pitch and that the majority of these cinical fouls occurred in the last ten minutes as they tired. No mention that some of the cards handed out were very soft - Forker in the first half for example. No mention that some Kerry players for their own greater good need to concentrate on football rather than mouthing to the referee.
I also thought that the discussion on the junior final was unneccessary and in many ways disrespected the winners.
First off, anyone with 2 eyes and a brain who saw the Kerry v Armagh game will admit O'Sé deserved to see red...never mind what some idiot TV punters say.
Anyone honest person analysing the game would also say that Armagh WERE pretty cynical but at no stage was there any reckless/dangerous tackles that I saw...it was mainly tactical fouling, and while it may not be pretty, it is effective especially when defending a lead...its not biased to point this out. There is certainly no evidence of a persecution complex to draw from Saturday nights game anyway.
Seem to remember two really strange full-on rugby tackles by Kerry lads-Darren O'Sullivan's being one.-I think Kerry were over hyped for this and it doesn't suit them (bit like the Dromid boys)
The powers that be in Croke have said that to stop the trouble at gaa grounds they will not allow supporters a half time tipple!! At Parnell yesterday the Dublin steward refused punters out to the pub at halftime. Nevermind the alcohol consumed before the game.
Will they be closing the bars inside Croke park on Paddys day?
hard luck derrytresk, they gave it their all.
i thought mcstay was out of order with his comments last night. w*nker.
Bernard Flynn was talking some shite about Derrytresk on the radio yesterday evening too,but to be fair to Bernard talking shite is something he's very good at.
Quote from: clarshack on February 13, 2012, 09:35:38 AM
hard luck derrytresk, they gave it their all.
i thought mcstay was out of order with his comments last night. w*nker.
What did McStay actually say? I missed it last night. Obviously a bitter end to the club year for Derrytresk, probably no need to rub it in.
He said, when Michael Lyster prompted him, apropos of nothing really, that Derrytresk would be reflecting in the 'long journey home' about how their actions have cost them an All Ireland, and they'll feel awful basically. I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist of it.
Never mentioned the intermediate final, and never considered that maybe Clonbur might have won even if Derrytresk were at full strength, or unaffected by the buildup.
I thought it was a cheap shot to be honest, but it was obviously thought out and scripted beforehand by the way Lyster launched into it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj17hnMMPWc
11 secs in
2 mins 29 secs in
these are the 2 incidents that mickey harte talked about in his column on friday
'authors of their own downfall' was the phrase. All well - all in the past now.
One last thing - how'd O'Sullivan stay on the field for that last dig - he'd a yellow already.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj17hnMMPWc&feature=share
I know, let it go....
here he is again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2tyTHPl5mQ
Quote from: Club Rossa on February 13, 2012, 09:42:46 AM
Bernard Flynn was talking some shite about Derrytresk on the radio yesterday evening too,but to be fair to Bernard talking shite is something he's very good at.
I particularly enjoyed Bernard's story about being locked in a changing room after a game in Tyrone and had to be saved by the Guards - i just find that story extremely hard to believe! I can't imagine Liam Harnan, Mick Lyons et al cowering in a changing room waiting for the Royal Ulster Constabulary to come a save them from a bunch of Tyrone yocals. (Ross Carr pointed out that the Guards probably won't be in Tyrone).
Seriously lads. There's umpteen other incidents like this on the other side that could be released too. What's to be gained now?
Commiserations to DT yesterday, they certainly divided opinion in recent weeks.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 13, 2012, 10:27:14 AM
Seriously lads. There's umpteen other incidents like this on the other side that could be released too. What's to be gained now?
I think a fair media interpretation of what actually happened is still be to gained!
Quote from: ONeill on February 13, 2012, 10:20:28 AM
'authors of their own downfall' was the phrase.
What's wrong with that? We're they not?
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 13, 2012, 10:36:55 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 13, 2012, 10:27:14 AM
Seriously lads. There's umpteen other incidents like this on the other side that could be released too. What's to be gained now?
I think a fair media interpretation of what actually happened is still be to gained!
So do you think Dromid should release their video clips too? Or would that be 'whinging'?
Well, I would say the general media perception is that Dromid are whiter than white and they don't really have to release any more media statements or videos. As McStays comments last night proved, Derrytresk are viewed as the big bad wolves of this story and I don't blame them if they wish to release images of Dromid players kicking and punching their way through the game.
I wonder will kildare and Monaghan be treated as "fairly" as Derrytresk? ???
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 13, 2012, 10:53:37 AM
Well, I would say the general media perception is that Dromid are whiter than white and they don't really have to release any more media statements or videos. As McStays comments last night proved, Derrytresk are viewed as the big bad wolves of this story and I don't blame them if they wish to release images of Dromid players kicking and punching their way through the game.
Never mind the effin media... how did the GAA deal with the issue?
Did they take actions against both sides?
Quote from: JUst retired on February 13, 2012, 10:55:11 AM
I wonder will kildare and Monaghan be treated as "fairly" as Derrytresk? ???
For what??
There was one punch thrown in the kildare - monaghan match. The guy who punched was lined.
To be fair to refs etc they did well to pick your man out. They'd the whole of half time to decide their actions.
The Derrytresk thing was blown out of all proportion and comments like McStays probably back up Benny Harps theory that it has been portrayed as all their fault. Not good for the club and probably also illustrates that it was trial by media.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 13, 2012, 10:53:37 AM
Well, I would say the general media perception is that Dromid are whiter than white and they don't really have to release any more media statements or videos. As McStays comments last night proved, Derrytresk are viewed as the big bad wolves of this story and I don't blame them if they wish to release images of Dromid players kicking and punching their way through the game.
McStays comments prove nothing of the sort.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 13, 2012, 10:27:14 AM
Seriously lads. There's umpteen other incidents like this on the other side that could be released too. What's to be gained now?
Ah Az where is that great sense of justice that you have been searching for over the last seventy pages. Two dirty assults yet you again suggest there's nothing to be gained by highlighting them. For one they show that Dromid was guilty of at least two assults and that they were far from the purists they claimed to be. They also show some of the abuse taken by Derrytresk in this game. finally they show or rather your repsonse to the video shows that your comments were not about justice but more about defending the thuggery of some of the Dromid players.
Justice for all teams notm just Kerry teams. As I said earlier I await the next big brawl were puches are thrown to see if this is a new start for the GAA or just bias against a small Tyrone Parish.
Congratulations to Clonbur the media have not given this club credit for their victory, well done.
People still don't get it. Fisticuffs in a match, while regrettable, are commonplace. Generally, the sanctions work close to adequately, though we will always have room for debate, bemoan inconsistency, etc. Subs and spectators coming out of the stand is on a whole different level.
It's not the same as player-to-player violence in the context of the game on the pitch. It's as simple as that. Do people not think pitch invasions from the stands for the purpose of attacking players should be treated with the utmost severity?
That's why selecting individual clips of misbehaviour on the field, or referring to incidents between players in other matches is stupid, irrelevant and misses the point completely.
The subs, the supporters and the handbagwoman are the reasons Derrytresk got what they got. That's it.
Quote from: stephenite on February 13, 2012, 11:19:25 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 13, 2012, 10:53:37 AM
Well, I would say the general media perception is that Dromid are whiter than white and they don't really have to release any more media statements or videos. As McStays comments last night proved, Derrytresk are viewed as the big bad wolves of this story and I don't blame them if they wish to release images of Dromid players kicking and punching their way through the game.
McStays comments prove nothing of the sort.
Actually, on reflection - McStays comments never prove anything. A coherent point needs to be made backed up by evidence for proof to be asserted. I agree, this is not McStay's forte.
Quote from: Sandino on February 13, 2012, 11:20:45 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 13, 2012, 10:27:14 AM
Seriously lads. There's umpteen other incidents like this on the other side that could be released too. What's to be gained now?
Ah Az where is that great sense of justice that you have been searching for over the last seventy pages. Two dirty assults yet you again suggest there's nothing to be gained by highlighting them. For one they show that Dromid was guilty of at least two assults and that they were far from the purists they claimed to be. They also show some of the abuse taken by Derrytresk in this game. finally they show or rather your repsonse to the video shows that your comments were not about justice but more about defending the thuggery of some of the Dromid players.
Justice for all teams notm just Kerry teams. As I said earlier I await the next big brawl were puches are thrown to see if this is a new start for the GAA or just bias against a small Tyrone Parish.
Congratulations to Clonbur the media have not given this club credit for their victory, well done.
Certainly 2 incidents at least which should have been red cards I'd have thought. But I still think there's nothing to be gained by highlighting them now, although I can understand why Derrytresk want to say 'There was two of us in it'. I don't think anyone thinks that there was only one crowd in it, and the fact that the GAA have suspended Dromid players, and fined the club, backs that up too.
I have been consistant in my stance all the way through this. Anyone who did anything wrong should have been punished, regardless of their jersey colour. I do think the biggest wrong was the subs and supporters getting involved in a row on the field, but I fully accept that Dromid had players that were in the wrong too. That has been my position since the start, and more so since I saw the video, so please don't try and misrepresent me just because it doesn't suit your agenda of a bias against Derrytresk.
What I am asking now is why are these released NOW. Were they seen by the CCC? If not, why not, and if so why did the CCC do nothing about them. And finally, if Dromid release a load of video clips showing bad behaviour by Derrytresk, would that be redressing the balance agian, or would that be whinging by them?
Anyone who struck should have been sent off, and suspended.
Quote from: clarshack on February 13, 2012, 10:19:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj17hnMMPWc
11 secs in
2 mins 29 secs in
these are the 2 incidents that mickey harte talked about in his column on friday
NO!! It's all computer generated images. It's a fake. Kerry players wouldn't behave like such animals. Only nordies do.
IT'S OK - THE VIDEO IS A FAKE. THE ARMS ARE TOO LONG TO BE REAL.
Quote from: Hardy on February 13, 2012, 11:25:45 AM
People still don't get it. Fisticuffs in a match, while regrettable, are commonplace. Generally, the sanctions work close to adequately, though we will always have room for debate, bemoan inconsistency, etc. Subs and spectators coming out of the stand is on a whole different level.
It's not the same as player-to-player violence in the context of the game on the pitch. It's as simple as that. Do people not think pitch invasions from the stands for the purpose of attacking players should be treated with the utmost severity?
That's why selecting individual clips of misbehaviour on the field, or referring to incidents between players in other matches is stupid, irrelevant and misses the point completely.
The subs, the supporters and the handbagwoman are the reasons Derrytresk got what they got. That's it.
I'm afraid you're completely missing the point. Derrytresk fully accept any suspensions arising out of the sub/fan involvement. Derrytresk's FB was suspended for something that was supposed to have happened at a different stage in the game. Where was the consistency in terms of what happened on the field?
Are you saying that because the subs got involved, the authorities were then allowed to exercise severity on anything else that Derrytresk may have been involved in on the field?
Quote from: Hardy on February 13, 2012, 11:25:45 AM
People still don't get it. Fisticuffs in a match, while regrettable, are commonplace. Generally, the sanctions work close to adequately, though we will always have room for debate, bemoan inconsistency, etc. Subs and spectators coming out of the stand is on a whole different level.
It's not the same as player-to-player violence in the context of the game on the pitch. It's as simple as that. Do people not think pitch invasions from the stands for the purpose of attacking players should be treated with the utmost severity?
That's why selecting individual clips of misbehaviour on the field, or referring to incidents between players in other matches is stupid, irrelevant and misses the point completely.
The subs, the supporters and the handbagwoman are the reasons Derrytresk got what they got. That's it.
whereas Dromid didn't get what they should've because they are from Kerry, O'Sullivan a high profile Kerry player, and that they involved themselves in a media witch-hunt of Derrytresk
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 13, 2012, 11:26:49 AM
Quote from: stephenite on February 13, 2012, 11:19:25 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 13, 2012, 10:53:37 AM
Well, I would say the general media perception is that Dromid are whiter than white and they don't really have to release any more media statements or videos. As McStays comments last night proved, Derrytresk are viewed as the big bad wolves of this story and I don't blame them if they wish to release images of Dromid players kicking and punching their way through the game.
McStays comments prove nothing of the sort.
Actually, on reflection - McStays comments never prove anything. A coherent point needs to be made backed up by evidence for proof to be asserted. I agree, this is not McStay's forte.
No, you're still not getting it.
Take the following scenario, Dromid won the semi but with Declan O'Sullivan and 2 others suspended and they lost the final. McStays comments would be equally valid.
That Derrytresk lost the match by 1 point, make the leap in assumption they'd have probably won the match if even their subs have stayed put, an easy one to make. That's not anyone's fault but members and players of Derrytresk, it's certainly not Kevin McStays fault, and he shouldn't be castigated for calling it as it is.
It's not a very difficult coherent point to make, you'll see this once you take your head out of your hole.
Quote from: year til sunday on February 13, 2012, 11:37:45 AM
Quote from: Hardy on February 13, 2012, 11:25:45 AM
People still don't get it. Fisticuffs in a match, while regrettable, are commonplace. Generally, the sanctions work close to adequately, though we will always have room for debate, bemoan inconsistency, etc. Subs and spectators coming out of the stand is on a whole different level.
It's not the same as player-to-player violence in the context of the game on the pitch. It's as simple as that. Do people not think pitch invasions from the stands for the purpose of attacking players should be treated with the utmost severity?
That's why selecting individual clips of misbehaviour on the field, or referring to incidents between players in other matches is stupid, irrelevant and misses the point completely.
The subs, the supporters and the handbagwoman are the reasons Derrytresk got what they got. That's it.
whereas Dromid didn't get what they should've because they are from Kerry, O'Sullivan a high profile Kerry player, and that they involved themselves in a media witch-hunt of Derrytresk
The Dromid suspensions handed out were longer than the subs got for coming into the row. No idea why Declan O'Sullivan wasn't sent off or suspended, the GAA would be better lads to ask there, but being a hgh profile Kerry player hasn't helped Tomás O'Sé or Paul Galvin in the past.
Quote from: stephenite on February 13, 2012, 11:40:24 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 13, 2012, 11:26:49 AM
Quote from: stephenite on February 13, 2012, 11:19:25 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 13, 2012, 10:53:37 AM
Well, I would say the general media perception is that Dromid are whiter than white and they don't really have to release any more media statements or videos. As McStays comments last night proved, Derrytresk are viewed as the big bad wolves of this story and I don't blame them if they wish to release images of Dromid players kicking and punching their way through the game.
McStays comments prove nothing of the sort.
Actually, on reflection - McStays comments never prove anything. A coherent point needs to be made backed up by evidence for proof to be asserted. I agree, this is not McStay's forte.
No, you're still not getting it.
Take the following scenario, Dromid won the semi but with Declan O'Sullivan and 2 others suspended and they lost the final. McStays comments would be equally valid.
That Derrytresk lost the match by 1 point, make the leap in assumption they'd have probably won the match if even their subs have stayed put, an easy one to make. That's not anyone's fault but members and players of Derrytresk, it's certainly not Kevin McStays fault, and he shouldn't be castigated for calling it as it is.
It's not a very difficult coherent point to make, you'll see this once you take your head out of your hole.
It was obvious that it was pre-orchestrated. No mention of the Intermediate final. No mention even of Tyrone v Derry. McStay wanted his little bit from the pulpit. O'Rourke wasn't asked but sure why the feck would he want to talk about a Junior final.
Quote from: ONeill on February 13, 2012, 11:46:42 AM
Quote from: stephenite on February 13, 2012, 11:40:24 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 13, 2012, 11:26:49 AM
Quote from: stephenite on February 13, 2012, 11:19:25 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 13, 2012, 10:53:37 AM
Well, I would say the general media perception is that Dromid are whiter than white and they don't really have to release any more media statements or videos. As McStays comments last night proved, Derrytresk are viewed as the big bad wolves of this story and I don't blame them if they wish to release images of Dromid players kicking and punching their way through the game.
McStays comments prove nothing of the sort.
Actually, on reflection - McStays comments never prove anything. A coherent point needs to be made backed up by evidence for proof to be asserted. I agree, this is not McStay's forte.
No, you're still not getting it.
Take the following scenario, Dromid won the semi but with Declan O'Sullivan and 2 others suspended and they lost the final. McStays comments would be equally valid.
That Derrytresk lost the match by 1 point, make the leap in assumption they'd have probably won the match if even their subs have stayed put, an easy one to make. That's not anyone's fault but members and players of Derrytresk, it's certainly not Kevin McStays fault, and he shouldn't be castigated for calling it as it is.
It's not a very difficult coherent point to make, you'll see this once you take your head out of your hole.
It was obvious that it was pre-orchestrated. No mention of the Intermediate final. No mention even of Tyrone v Derry. McStay wanted his little bit from the pulpit. O'Rourke wasn't asked but sure why the feck would he want to talk about a Junior final.
It was pre-orchestrated, and I thought it was very strange the way they segued to it even. they didn't even say well done to Miltown Castlemaine - A KERRY CLUB!!!!!!! ;)
Kildare manager Kieran McGeeney does not expect more punishments following a brawl between his players and Monaghan's during their Allianz Football League match in Clones.
A heated exchanged before half-time between the two sets of players marred the game with Brian Flanagan sent off before the second-half resumed.
McGeeney said: "I didn't really see it. There seemed to be something on the pitch and then it went to the sideline. Then there was people shouting at each other going into the tunnel.
"It is hard to know what is going on inside other people's mind when those things are happening.
"There is a lot of testosterone flowing out there, things happen and people don't want to seen that they are backing down. That's about the size of it.
I'm sure it was pre-orchestrated. They had to say something about it. I don't get the notion that McStay "wanted" to be the man to say it, I don't really care.
If it was O'Rourke who said the same thing would it change anyone's opinion or is it still a f**king conspiracy?
There was nothing wrong with the comment, it was just a blatantly truthful observation.
Quote from: stephenite on February 13, 2012, 11:53:45 AM
I'm sure it was pre-orchestrated. They had to say something about it. I don't get the notion that McStay "wanted" to be the man to say it, I don't really care.
If it was O'Rourke who said the same thing would it change anyone's opinion or is it still a f**king conspiracy?
There was nothing wrong with the comment, it was just a blatantly truthful observation.
It was a self evident truth alright. If Derrytresk hadn't had 7 people suspended and the whole rigamarole leading up to the final, then they'd have had a better chance. Someone who never laced up a pair of boots or watched a game could tell you that.
I don't understand a) Why they had to mention it at all when they didn't mention the bigger game, and b) Why they had to say something that was so obviously true.
Well, knowing that O'Rourke thought the whole thing was blown out of proportion, they knew not to ask him.
Quote from: ONeill on February 13, 2012, 11:34:28 AM
Quote from: Hardy on February 13, 2012, 11:25:45 AM
People still don't get it. Fisticuffs in a match, while regrettable, are commonplace. Generally, the sanctions work close to adequately, though we will always have room for debate, bemoan inconsistency, etc. Subs and spectators coming out of the stand is on a whole different level.
It's not the same as player-to-player violence in the context of the game on the pitch. It's as simple as that. Do people not think pitch invasions from the stands for the purpose of attacking players should be treated with the utmost severity?
That's why selecting individual clips of misbehaviour on the field, or referring to incidents between players in other matches is stupid, irrelevant and misses the point completely.
The subs, the supporters and the handbagwoman are the reasons Derrytresk got what they got. That's it.
I'm afraid you're completely missing the point. Derrytresk fully accept any suspensions arising out of the sub/fan involvement. Derrytresk's FB was suspended for something that was supposed to have happened at a different stage in the game. Where was the consistency in terms of what happened on the field?
Are you saying that because the subs got involved, the authorities were then allowed to exercise severity on anything else that Derrytresk may have been involved in on the field?
My point was about posters here posting up random examples of incidents that happened in games and especially the dragging of Kildare v. Monaghan into it. Are they suggesting that players involved in pushing and shoving should be punished as severely as players who come out of the stand to assault those on the field? Otherwise, what's their point? The whinging about "injustice" and perceived anti-northern bias is just tiresome.
Quote from: stephenite on February 13, 2012, 11:53:45 AM
I'm sure it was pre-orchestrated. They had to say something about it. I don't get the notion that McStay "wanted" to be the man to say it, I don't really care.
If it was O'Rourke who said the same thing would it change anyone's opinion or is it still a f**king conspiracy?
There was nothing wrong with the comment, it was just a blatantly truthful observation.
well here's another then; Derrytresk were rode roughshod over since having the audacity to beat a Kerry team in an All-Ireland Semi Final, the suspensions and fines have been disproportionate and inconsistently applied, and there has been an alarming level of xenophobic slur/ramblings/rants against gaels from Tyrone
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 13, 2012, 11:58:30 AM
Quote from: stephenite on February 13, 2012, 11:53:45 AM
I'm sure it was pre-orchestrated. They had to say something about it. I don't get the notion that McStay "wanted" to be the man to say it, I don't really care.
If it was O'Rourke who said the same thing would it change anyone's opinion or is it still a f**king conspiracy?
There was nothing wrong with the comment, it was just a blatantly truthful observation.
It was a self evident truth alright. If Derrytresk hadn't had 7 people suspended and the whole rigamarole leading up to the final, then they'd have had a better chance. Someone who never laced up a pair of boots or watched a game could tell you that.
I don't understand a) Why they had to mention it at all when they didn't mention the bigger game, and b) Why they had to say something that was so obviously true.
It had to be mentioned because of the whole publicity surrounding the incident during the sem final.
That there is an overall media conspiracy against all representatives of Ulster GAA is something I don't believe, but if others see it that way from a different perspective, that's their call and they're the ones feeling aggrieved.
That has absolutely nothing to do with the comment from McStay.
Quote from: year til sunday on February 13, 2012, 12:03:57 PM
Quote from: stephenite on February 13, 2012, 11:53:45 AM
I'm sure it was pre-orchestrated. They had to say something about it. I don't get the notion that McStay "wanted" to be the man to say it, I don't really care.
If it was O'Rourke who said the same thing would it change anyone's opinion or is it still a f**king conspiracy?
There was nothing wrong with the comment, it was just a blatantly truthful observation.
well here's another then; Derrytresk were rode roughshod over since having the audacity to beat a Kerry team in an All-Ireland Semi Final, the suspensions and fines have been disproportionate and inconsistently applied, and there has been an alarming level of xenophobic slur/ramblings/rants against gaels from Tyrone
And Kevin McStay has been recorded uttering Xenophobic slurs against Gaels from Tyrone has he?
Make your own mind up. I know you can never really assess someone's intentions with 100% accuracy and I know it can come across as being a bit paranoid but I found this condescending. What was his point?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_8DTquCiQs
Quote from: stephenite on February 13, 2012, 12:10:38 PM
Quote from: year til sunday on February 13, 2012, 12:03:57 PM
Quote from: stephenite on February 13, 2012, 11:53:45 AM
I'm sure it was pre-orchestrated. They had to say something about it. I don't get the notion that McStay "wanted" to be the man to say it, I don't really care.
If it was O'Rourke who said the same thing would it change anyone's opinion or is it still a f**king conspiracy?
There was nothing wrong with the comment, it was just a blatantly truthful observation.
well here's another then; Derrytresk were rode roughshod over since having the audacity to beat a Kerry team in an All-Ireland Semi Final, the suspensions and fines have been disproportionate and inconsistently applied, and there has been an alarming level of xenophobic slur/ramblings/rants against gaels from Tyrone
And Kevin McStay has been recorded uttering Xenophobic slurs against Gaels from Tyrone has he?
i didn't say he had but you'll find plenty on the previous 79 pages. Kevin has a national platform and got his word in fair play to him, i wouldn't give it too much credence though, he could have had one of those famous brain-farts and name dropped Derrytresk while he was actually talking about Dromid, funnily enough that would make more sense as Dromid didn't make the final and having two players sent off during the game probably contributed to that; therefore were the masters of their own demise
Quote from: ONeill on February 13, 2012, 12:12:53 PM
Make your own mind up. I know you can never really assess someone's intentions with 100% accuracy and I know it can come across as being a bit paranoid but I found this condescending. What was his point?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_8DTquCiQs
Thanks for the link. I don't think there's anything wrong with what he said. He didn't say it in a cruel or condescending way. He said Derrytresk were down 7 players as a result of their own actions, and it probably cost them the All-Ireland.
What is wrong with that?
Quote from: year til sunday on February 13, 2012, 12:03:57 PM
Quote from: stephenite on February 13, 2012, 11:53:45 AM
I'm sure it was pre-orchestrated. They had to say something about it. I don't get the notion that McStay "wanted" to be the man to say it, I don't really care.
If it was O'Rourke who said the same thing would it change anyone's opinion or is it still a f**king conspiracy?
There was nothing wrong with the comment, it was just a blatantly truthful observation.
well here's another then; Derrytresk were rode roughshod over since having the audacity to beat a Kerry team in an All-Ireland Semi Final, the suspensions and fines have been disproportionate and inconsistently applied, and there has been an alarming level of xenophobic slur/ramblings/rants against gaels from Tyrone
Xenophobia is defined as "an unreasonable fear of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.
So which are ye - foreign or strange? ;)
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Quote from: Jinxy on February 12, 2012, 10:54:00 PM
There was very little in that 'row' in Clones today and you know it.
Was a single human being struck or injured in any way shape or form?
Did any subs or fans come piling onto the pitch?
From watching both on Telly I'd say there was much the same in both incidents.
Reports are that's mentors and subs from both teams were involved.
This time I hope the media stay out of it and there will. It be the same level of frenzy and suspensions metted out. We will see.
No mentors or subs came onto the field of play.
Pushing and shoving in the tunnel as they go in at half-time is very different from running onto the field and throwing punches.
For people telling me to 'move on', maybe if you stopped indulging in whataboutery we could all move on.
look at the highlights of the kildare v monaghan incident again.
there were mentors in the middle of the field let alone barely over he sideline in which the derrytreask incident occurred.
apart from handbag 'lady' there was no violent incident after the derry treask game with people on the pitch.
what are you talking about regarding whataboutery - this is like for like - but not as sensationalist as there were no subs jumping over fences - there was no fence to jump over !
def the derrytreak thing looked worse because of this but just because the subs, players and mentors did the same but out of view of the public eye - what is the difference?
do we want to stamp this out or just stamp it out when its in plain view ?
come on , be honest with yourself !
check over the incidents again and see for yourself!!
I thought both incidents were feck all, but if we ae to eradicate thse things then it needs to be consistent.
Consistency is all that Derrytresk and everybody else is looking for.
If not, the accusation will rightly follow that there is a different set of rules being applied.
Quote from: Tubberman on February 13, 2012, 12:31:01 PM
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Quote from: stephenite on February 13, 2012, 11:53:45 AM
I'm sure it was pre-orchestrated. They had to say something about it. I don't get the notion that McStay "wanted" to be the man to say it, I don't really care.
If it was O'Rourke who said the same thing would it change anyone's opinion or is it still a f**king conspiracy?
There was nothing wrong with the comment, it was just a blatantly truthful observation.
well here's another then; Derrytresk were rode roughshod over since having the audacity to beat a Kerry team in an All-Ireland Semi Final, the suspensions and fines have been disproportionate and inconsistently applied, and there has been an alarming level of xenophobic slur/ramblings/rants against gaels from Tyrone
Xenophobia is defined as "an unreasonable fear of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.
So which are ye - foreign or strange? ;)
beauty is in the eye of the beholder, i'm not sure its possible to be xenophobic towards oneself as an individual
good use of the online dictionary there :P
How long will it be before this thread makes page 100 ? ;D
If ever there was a time for moving on..... Mod how about closing this as the same oul tirades keep getting repeated.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 13, 2012, 12:57:04 PM
How long will it be before this thread makes page 100 ? ;D
If ever there was a time for moving on..... Mod how about closing this as the same oul tirades keep getting repeated.
You are some boys to talk http://www.facebook.com/events/226988494020828/
Quote from: bigtogs on February 12, 2012, 09:54:19 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on February 12, 2012, 09:47:13 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 12, 2012, 08:27:10 PM
Gutted derrytresk gice it all run out off bodies well done Clonbur hope they enjoy their victory
Well said*, an example of how to lose gracefully even after the media circus of the last 2 weeks.
*EDIT"I am refering to the spirit of the comments not the spelling and punctuation" ;)
schooling was light!!!!!
I think derrytresk showed today what type of club they are really,contested every ball and stood gracefully untill presentation was over Clonbur captain spoke well fair play too him......sick as a dog though about the last few weeks badly affacted our preparation......but life goes on..
Whilst I can't agree with a lot of the Nordie baiting that has gone on here, Derrytresk need look no further than the idiots who jumped the fence when seeking reasons for their loss. That said I had hoped that given the crap they've had to listen to that they would win it. Small clubs can not afford to lose players and discipline is required. Harsh lesson, but well done to the team for respectfully watching the presentation. I can't comment on McStay's words as I haven't heard them, but he generally is a tool.
Quote from: ONeill on February 13, 2012, 12:12:53 PM
Make your own mind up. I know you can never really assess someone's intentions with 100% accuracy and I know it can come across as being a bit paranoid but I found this condescending. What was his point?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_8DTquCiQs
Actually his point was, (and I don't like McStay), by jumping the fence their subs robbed the manager of options that may have won or drawn the game. As I said before he is a bit of a tool, but right on this occasion.
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 13, 2012, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 13, 2012, 12:12:53 PM
Make your own mind up. I know you can never really assess someone's intentions with 100% accuracy and I know it can come across as being a bit paranoid but I found this condescending. What was his point?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_8DTquCiQs
Actually his point was, (and I don't like McStay), by jumping the fence their subs robbed the manager of options that may have won or drawn the game. As I said before he is a bit of a tool, but right on this occasion.
No, that point was obvious from a week ago. What was the point in this short discussion?
Quote from: ONeill on February 13, 2012, 01:07:15 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 13, 2012, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 13, 2012, 12:12:53 PM
Make your own mind up. I know you can never really assess someone's intentions with 100% accuracy and I know it can come across as being a bit paranoid but I found this condescending. What was his point?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_8DTquCiQs
Actually his point was, (and I don't like McStay), by jumping the fence their subs robbed the manager of options that may have won or drawn the game. As I said before he is a bit of a tool, but right on this occasion.
No, that point was obvious from a week ago. What was the point in this short discussion?
Well given that this thread is over 80 pages and the huge media coverage of the semi-final, there was obviously a lot of interest in how the match went. So they gave it about 30 seconds.
Quote from: ONeill on February 13, 2012, 12:12:53 PM
Make your own mind up. I know you can never really assess someone's intentions with 100% accuracy and I know it can come across as being a bit paranoid but I found this condescending. What was his point?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_8DTquCiQs
Is there a slow motion version?
The complaints about the game being mentioned on RTE are surely disingenuous?
Does anyone honestly need to have it explained to them how a story with significant public interest is more likely to be covered than a story with no public interest?
Clearly Hoganstand didn't have anyone at the game...
CCCC to probe Clones melee
13 February 2012
A row breaks out between Monaghan and Kildare players before the half-time whistle at ClonesThe CCCC are expected to investigate the half-time row that overshadowed yesterday's Allianz Football League clash between Monaghan and Kildare in Clones.
The melee, which involved over 20 players and took place in front of a watching GAA director-general Paraic Duffy, comes just three weeks after the controversial AIB All-Ireland club JFC semi-final between Derrytresk and Dromid Pearses, which was also marred by violent scenes.
A second melee in the second half resulted in referee Joe McQuillan issuing a red card to Kildare defender Brian Flanagan and yellow cards to Padraig O'Neill (Kildare), Dessie Mone and Dick Clerkin (both Monaghan).
Kildare manager Kieran McGeeney suggested that the incidents would only be investigated if they highlighted by the media.
"Depends on what you probably say. There were a couple of incidents this year already you didn't report on and they weren't investigated. Some you do report on," he said.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=161986
Quote from: bigtogs on February 13, 2012, 08:33:04 AM
Mike you forgot about commiserations to derrytresk.
Nah, they got what they deserved.
http://coalislandpost.co.uk/areas/derrytresk-ban-controversy-continues/ (http://coalislandpost.co.uk/areas/derrytresk-ban-controversy-continues/)
Derrytresk manager Paul Hughes refused to speak to most journalists after Sunday's tight match, with club chairman Barney Campbell launching a scathing attack on the Irish media.
"We're down seven men today because of the media," he said, according to the Irish Times.
was this video ever posted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj17hnMMPWc&feature=player_embedded#!
'A compilation of Derrytresk dives'.
God they are really covering themselves in glory now.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 13, 2012, 07:28:49 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 13, 2012, 08:33:04 AM
Mike you forgot about commiserations to derrytresk.
Nah, they got what they deserved.
What would killdare and monaghan deserve mike in your opinion?
Quote from: Jinxy on February 13, 2012, 08:30:12 PM
'A compilation of Derrytresk dives'.
God they are really covering themselves in glory now.
My first reaction also.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 13, 2012, 07:45:21 PM
http://coalislandpost.co.uk/areas/derrytresk-ban-controversy-continues/ (http://coalislandpost.co.uk/areas/derrytresk-ban-controversy-continues/)
Derrytresk manager Paul Hughes refused to speak to most journalists after Sunday's tight match, with club chairman Barney Campbell launching a scathing attack on the Irish media.
"We're down seven men today because of the media," he said, according to the Irish Times.
If that's what he truly believes then I can only despair.
Quote from: phpearse on February 13, 2012, 08:15:32 PM
was this video ever posted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj17hnMMPWc&feature=player_embedded#!
Yeah, that doesn't exactly cover Derrytresk in glory.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 13, 2012, 08:30:12 PM
'A compilation of Derrytresk dives'.
God they are really covering themselves in glory now.
Not a combination of Derrytresk dives.....more a case of how/why Declan "handbag" O'Sullivan was allowed to stay on the field? Seems that when you are a Kerry All Ireland medal holder the man with the whistle gets a case of bad eyesight!!!
Quote from: Jinxy on February 13, 2012, 08:30:12 PM
'A compilation of Derrytresk dives'.
God they are really covering themselves in glory now.
Some of the Derrytresk antics would make a La Liga player blush. Tyrone have a long history of playacting but that is just brutal.
Quote from: HarrysMoss on February 13, 2012, 09:51:01 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 13, 2012, 08:30:12 PM
'A compilation of Derrytresk dives'.
God they are really covering themselves in glory now.
Not a combination of Derrytresk dives.....more a case of how/why Declan "handbag" O'Sullivan was allowed to stay on the field? Seems that when you are a Kerry All Ireland medal holder the man with the whistle gets a case of bad eyesight!!!
To be honest, after the first 3 dives I stopped watching so I don't know what O'Sullivan is supposed to have done.
1.Bad tackle . Joe McKee is pushed+tripped by two Dromid players and springs up again.
2.Punch Derrytresk player punched to the mid-riff with considerable force right in front of ref-O'Sullivan tries to pull this player up-what the hell was he at? Dromid player just booked(melee follows slightly after this) None of the Derrytresk boys react.
3.Bad tackle Hard to see but looks like DT player caught high. Ref runs over and tells him to get up.
4.Kickout! Dromid player swingin his boot at DT player beore pushing him over.
5. Cynical trip-clip around the ankles that Dromid player puts his own hand up for.(At this stage DOS knows he's untouchable!)
6. Dromid player goes in to 'do' McKee-both injured.
7. Sneaky Punch in face on ground.
Please explain the diving. At no time is there any real reaction by DT players to these incidents.
Quote from: Whishtup on February 13, 2012, 11:30:12 PM
1.Bad tackle . Joe McKee is pushed+tripped by two Dromid players and springs up again.
2.Punch Derrytresk player punched to the mid-riff with considerable force right in front of ref-O'Sullivan tries to pull this player up-what the hell was he at? Dromid player just booked(melee follows slightly after this) None of the Derrytresk boys react.
3.Bad tackle Hard to see but looks like DT player caught high. Ref runs over and tells him to get up.
4.Kickout! Dromid player swingin his boot at DT player beore pushing him over.
5. Cynical trip-clip around the ankles that Dromid player puts his own hand up for.(At this stage DOS knows he's untouchable!)
6. Dromid player goes in to 'do' McKee-both injured.
7. Sneaky Punch in face on ground.
Please explain the diving. At no time is there any real reaction by DT players to these incidents.
:D Making a fool of yourself now. Anyway justice was meted out yesterday. Old news now.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 13, 2012, 11:46:24 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on February 13, 2012, 11:30:12 PM
1.Bad tackle . Joe McKee is pushed+tripped by two Dromid players and springs up again.
2.Punch Derrytresk player punched to the mid-riff with considerable force right in front of ref-O'Sullivan tries to pull this player up-what the hell was he at? Dromid player just booked(melee follows slightly after this) None of the Derrytresk boys react.
3.Bad tackle Hard to see but looks like DT player caught high. Ref runs over and tells him to get up.
4.Kickout! Dromid player swingin his boot at DT player beore pushing him over.
5. Cynical trip-clip around the ankles that Dromid player puts his own hand up for.(At this stage DOS knows he's untouchable!)
6. Dromid player goes in to 'do' McKee-both injured.
7. Sneaky Punch in face on ground.
Please explain the diving. At no time is there any real reaction by DT players to these incidents.
:D Making a fool of yourself now. Anyway justice was meted out yesterday. Old news now.
That's a lame attempts to detract from my question. Where is the diving?-point it out to me and I'll hold my hands up or are you going to be brainwashed by a couple of fools?
history is always written by the winners, in this case Dromid won the PR game. while Derrytresk kept quiet and attempted to allow the CCCC to carry out an investigation on their own, Dromid, sections of the media and fellow gales got involved in a highly noxious witch-hunt - shame on you.
Quote from: Whishtup on February 13, 2012, 11:30:12 PM
1.Bad tackle . Joe McKee is pushed+tripped by two Dromid players and springs up again.
2.Punch Derrytresk player punched to the mid-riff with considerable force right in front of ref-O'Sullivan tries to pull this player up-what the hell was he at? Dromid player just booked(melee follows slightly after this) None of the Derrytresk boys react.
3.Bad tackle Hard to see but looks like DT player caught high. Ref runs over and tells him to get up.
4.Kickout! Dromid player swingin his boot at DT player beore pushing him over.
5. Cynical trip-clip around the ankles that Dromid player puts his own hand up for.(At this stage DOS knows he's untouchable!)
6. Dromid player goes in to 'do' McKee-both injured.
7. Sneaky Punch in face on ground.
Please explain the diving. At no time is there any real reaction by DT players to these incidents.
I thought there were at least three and probably four incidents in that clip that warranted red cards for Dromid Pearses players - namely incidents 2, 3, 7 and probably 4. I'd like to hear anybody tell me why all those incidents shouldn't have been red cards.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on February 13, 2012, 09:12:15 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 13, 2012, 08:30:12 PM
'A compilation of Derrytresk dives'.
God they are really covering themselves in glory now.
My first reaction also.
Same here . . . nothing in any of those challenges!
Quote from: Sidney on February 14, 2012, 12:42:14 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on February 13, 2012, 11:30:12 PM
1.Bad tackle . Joe McKee is pushed+tripped by two Dromid players and springs up again.
2.Punch Derrytresk player punched to the mid-riff with considerable force right in front of ref-O'Sullivan tries to pull this player up-what the hell was he at? Dromid player just booked(melee follows slightly after this) None of the Derrytresk boys react.
3.Bad tackle Hard to see but looks like DT player caught high. Ref runs over and tells him to get up.
4.Kickout! Dromid player swingin his boot at DT player beore pushing him over.
5. Cynical trip-clip around the ankles that Dromid player puts his own hand up for.(At this stage DOS knows he's untouchable!)
6. Dromid player goes in to 'do' McKee-both injured.
7. Sneaky Punch in face on ground.
Please explain the diving. At no time is there any real reaction by DT players to these incidents.
I thought there were at least three and probably four incidents in that clip that warranted red cards for Dromid Pearses players - namely incidents 2, 3, 7 and probably 4. I'd like to hear anybody tell me why all those incidents shouldn't have been red cards.
1. Clumsy tackle but not even near dirty. Free kick is fine!
2. I'll give you that one fair enough it should have been a straight red. Did the Dromid no. 6 get banned?
3. The ref is right there looking at it. If he told him to get up there must have been good reason. As you have said it's not easy to see on video.
4. The kick was never within a mile of coming near the Dtresk player and the trip was silly. Yellow card.
5. Nothing tackle. Barely touched him and why's the Dtresk player lying in a heap he was barely touched!
6. Again clumsy and slightly in the back but not dirty by any stretch!
7. How you saw a punch in that I dunno he fell over him awkwardly. . . the Dtresk player did make it look good rolling around so much though!!
My take on the incidents is in bold:
Quote from: Whishtup on February 13, 2012, 11:30:12 PM
1.Bad tackle . Joe McKee is pushed+tripped by two Dromid players and springs up again.
You'd be very lucky to get away with a yellow card for that.
2.Punch Derrytresk player punched to the mid-riff with considerable force right in front of ref-O'Sullivan tries to pull this player up-what the hell was he at? Dromid player just booked(melee follows slightly after this) None of the Derrytresk boys react.
Derrytresk player tries to grab the ball out of the hands of the Dromid no. 6. No. 6 immediately punches Derrytresk player to the stomach with considerable force. Straight red for me.
3.Bad tackle Hard to see but looks like DT player caught high. Ref runs over and tells him to get up.
Derrytresk players has his eyes fully on the ball, Dromid player clearly targets his head and takes him out. Straight red the correct call.
4.Kickout! Dromid player swingin his boot at DT player beore pushing him over.
Dromid number 8 aims a full force kick at a Derrytresk player. Last time I looked at the rule book you weren't allowed aim a full force kick at an opponent. Whether he connected or not is irrelevant. Straight red again.
5. Cynical trip-clip around the ankles that Dromid player puts his own hand up for.(At this stage DOS knows he's untouchable!)
Yellow card offence and a warning.
6. Dromid player goes in to 'do' McKee-both injured.
The most charitable you could be here is to say it was a badly mistimed tackle. Yellow card.
7. Sneaky Punch in face on ground.
As clear a red card offence as you'll see from Declan O'Sullivan.
I also have no idea where the diving accusations are coming from, unless people are talking about the Dromid player in Incident 6.
Quote from: screenexile on February 14, 2012, 12:58:52 AM
Quote from: Sidney on February 14, 2012, 12:42:14 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on February 13, 2012, 11:30:12 PM
1.Bad tackle . Joe McKee is pushed+tripped by two Dromid players and springs up again.
2.Punch Derrytresk player punched to the mid-riff with considerable force right in front of ref-O'Sullivan tries to pull this player up-what the hell was he at? Dromid player just booked(melee follows slightly after this) None of the Derrytresk boys react.
3.Bad tackle Hard to see but looks like DT player caught high. Ref runs over and tells him to get up.
4.Kickout! Dromid player swingin his boot at DT player beore pushing him over.
5. Cynical trip-clip around the ankles that Dromid player puts his own hand up for.(At this stage DOS knows he's untouchable!)
6. Dromid player goes in to 'do' McKee-both injured.
7. Sneaky Punch in face on ground.
Please explain the diving. At no time is there any real reaction by DT players to these incidents.
I thought there were at least three and probably four incidents in that clip that warranted red cards for Dromid Pearses players - namely incidents 2, 3, 7 and probably 4. I'd like to hear anybody tell me why all those incidents shouldn't have been red cards.
1. Clumsy tackle but not even near dirty. Free kick is fine!
2. I'll give you that one fair enough it should have been a straight red. Did the Dromid no. 6 get banned?
3. The ref is right there looking at it. If he told him to get up there must have been good reason. As you have said it's not easy to see on video.
4. The kick was never within a mile of coming near the Dtresk player and the trip was silly. Yellow card.
5. Nothing tackle. Barely touched him and why's the Dtresk player lying in a heap he was barely touched!
6. Again clumsy and slightly in the back but not dirty by any stretch!
7. How you saw a punch in that I dunno he fell over him awkwardly. . . the Dtresk player did make it look good rolling around so much though!!
Funny how people see thing, was there a right hand to the gut in number 2? I couldn't really see that, looked quite divey to me that one. But the last one I thought for sure DOS punched the guy in the face on the ground. Low act, well meriting a good hand-bagging later.
O Sullivan clearly punches the Derrytresk player in the face while he is on the ground. His high tackle was the worst of the lot. Animal!
this thread has turned into a joke. When the Derrytresk subs look back on this whole saga they will know that it was them selves that were the bigest reason that they are not all ireland champions today,and there is absouletly nothing wrong in what Mcstay says and anybody who thinks otherwise is delusional.
They should rename the place Divingtresk ....what a bunch of cheats !
I didn't see the final, but if their determination to play dead instead of playing football was what did for them, it was a good day for football.
This has turned into one of the funniest threads ever on GAABoard, Olly would be embarrassed by some of the responses.
Still no reply from any of the accusing buffoons about any of those incidents, only unfounded sweeping sweeping statements, determined to drive it into the smallest club in Tyrone.
We this thread was dead on its feet many pages ago. I have to say I was wrong when I said it was not bias against Derrytresk just because they were from Tyrone. Some of the posts in the last few pages are just plain silly. Acusing Derrytresk of diving etc. There are at least three or four red card offences in that video. To those who argue still that there were no red card offences in that video I have to say I never thought that Tyrones 3 All Ireland victories in 6 years would get to you so much.
So turn your bile from a small club like Derrytresk and turn it to Tyrone where you were wanting to direct it all along.
Quote from: Whishtup on February 14, 2012, 09:39:49 AM
Still no reply from any of the accusing buffoons about any of those incidents, only unfounded sweeping sweeping statements, determined to drive it into the smallest club in Tyrone.
Bullshit is in the eye of the (embittered) beholder(s)!
Quote from: Sidney on February 14, 2012, 01:18:22 AM
My take on the incidents is in bold:
Quote from: Whishtup on February 13, 2012, 11:30:12 PM
1.Bad tackle . Joe McKee is pushed+tripped by two Dromid players and springs up again.
You'd be very lucky to get away with a yellow card for that.
Meant to to say you'd be lucky to get away
without a yellow card. Wasn't a red card offence obviously. That just leaves the four from that video.
Quote from: rrhf on February 14, 2012, 10:29:29 AM
I laugh at Hardys "boot in boot out" approach. Its so 1996!
You can do better than that.
Wait a minute ... maybe you can't.
Quote from: Sandino on February 14, 2012, 09:54:34 AM
We this thread was dead on its feet many pages ago. I have to say I was wrong when I said it was not bias against Derrytresk just because they were from Tyrone. Some of the posts in the last few pages are just plain silly. Acusing Derrytresk of diving etc. There are at least three or four red card offences in that video. To those who argue still that there were no red card offences in that video I have to say I never thought that Tyrones 3 All Ireland victories in 6 years would get to you so much.
So turn your bile from a small club like Derrytresk and turn it to Tyrone where you were wanting to direct it all along.
The video highlights two things.
1. Declan O'Sullivan should probably have been sent off.
2. Derrytresk are very theatrical. There are about 6 or 7 incidents in that video I would say? I would say 4 of them are vastly exaggerated. Even the referee told a derrytresk man to get up at one point and when do you ever see that?!
This thread has got ludicrous with quite a lot of people saying Derrytresk are being victimised. Maybe they are and maybe they aren't but that video does not show Derrytresk in a good light in any way and it was obviously intended to do so. It's a big failure in that regard.
Yes Derrytresk have been treated extremely harshly and there are two sides to it but they are not complete angels either.
Incidentally irrespective of whether that photo was real or not the very fact that so many people questioned it highlights the fact that it should not be used for evidence. Photos have no context anyway.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 10:41:31 AM
Incidentally irrespective of whether that photo was real or not the very fact that so many people questioned it highlights the fact that it should not be used for evidence. Photos have no context anyway.
No, it means that more than a few anatomical or photographical 'experts' should seek new lines of employment.
Time to let it go. The video compilation is as pathetic as the Dromid Pr machine and the media's reaction to what remains an innocuous enough bit of pushing. When all's said and done the pitch invasion was the final straw, and probably sealed the deal for the CCC.
I'm told that Derrytresk were unaware that no runners were allowed during the game - only finding out minutes before the game started. I suppose the CHC's directions did cover that:
Cumann Dhoire Treasc Fir an Chnoic –
(a) the Club are ineligible to compete in the Provincial or All-Ireland Club Championships for the next 5 years.
(b) The Club can play in the AIB All-Ireland Club Junior Gaelic Football Final on Sunday next with the following restrictions:
i. Only the Bainisteoir, Rúnaí-Sealadach, Doctor (if any) and Physiotherapist (if any) may enter onto the pitch area before the game, at half-time or in the immediate aftermath of the game.
ii. Water Carriers shall be provided by the CCCC.
iii. During the course of the game, the Runai-Sealadach shall remain in the stand with the substitutes.
iv. Only the Team Manager shall be permitted on the sideline.
(c) A fine of €2,500 was imposed.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 14, 2012, 10:52:55 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 10:41:31 AM
Incidentally irrespective of whether that photo was real or not the very fact that so many people questioned it highlights the fact that it should not be used for evidence. Photos have no context anyway.
No, it means that more than a few anatomical or photographical 'experts' should seek new lines of employment.
Ha, I guess you're right and they should bow to your superior knowledge ::)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 14, 2012, 10:52:55 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 10:41:31 AM
Incidentally irrespective of whether that photo was real or not the very fact that so many people questioned it highlights the fact that it should not be used for evidence. Photos have no context anyway.
No, it means that more than a few anatomical or photographical 'experts' should seek new lines of employment.
To be fair FoSB, I think the gaaboard should take the same stance on the '69 moon-landing. If enough of us question it, it shouldn't be used as proof.
So let's say there are no questions over the photos authenticity.
Can it, or should it,be used as evidence with no context behind it?
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 10:41:31 AM
2. Derrytresk are very theatrical. There are about 6 or 7 incidents in that video I would say? I would say 4 of them are vastly exaggerated. Even the referee told a derrytresk man to get up at one point and when do you ever see that?!
You try taking a full force punch to the stomach, a targetted upper body challenge to the head when you are fully committed to the ball, or a punch to the face while lying on the ground. See how quickly you get up. Not very I'd guess.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 10:41:31 AM
Yes Derrytresk have been treated extremely harshly and there are two sides to it but they are not complete angels either.
Is anybody making that claim?
Not really. You need the context. It was interesting though.
Jaysus that video shows numerous clear-cut striking offences committed by Dromid players and we are still being told it reflects badly on Derrytresk! There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
Great article by Paddy Heaney in the Irish News today re the coverage of the semi-final. Basically said that it was telling how many hours it got in coverage from RTÉ and BBC and how many colulmn inches it got in the likes of the Sindo, before going on to say that for the final, the sindo didnt write a single word of a preview on it, rte didnt even have the score up until the next day and the bbc had only one short piece but ignored how Middleton fared in the intermediate final. He went on to state that "Essentially what the GAA is being told is this: 'We are not interested in providing any publicity for your poxy club games - unless it's negative publicity'". Hard to argue with that.
He also refers to the sectarian chanting that took place at an Irish League match when Crusaders goalie and former Antrim GAA footballer Sean O'Neill was subjected to sustained sectarian abuse and how the media outlets which hammered Derrytresk happily ignored this story and how there was "no follow up interview with Sean O'Neill, no phone in discussions, no questions addressed to Coleraine FC to find out how they were going to tackle the problem of sectarianism among their supporters. No questions were posed to the IFA to find out what disciplinary measures would be taken against the club".
His article is worth a read.
Quote from: Sidney on February 14, 2012, 11:08:15 AM
You try taking a full force punch to the stomach, a targetted upper body challenge to the head when you are fully committed to the ball, or a punch to the face while lying on the ground. See how quickly you get up. Not very I'd guess.
I said 4 out of 7. How quickly did the guy get up ionce the ref had been to him after the incident at about 2:40?
When the Dromid guy mistimed his shoulder, which was no doubt a foul, the derrytresk guy went down like he was badly injured. Ref deals with it and straight up as if he hasn't been touched.
Midfielder falling over when not much was done to him as the dromid guy runs forward - it was a dive. Also how many times do you ever see a ref telling a player to get up?
Yes the punch should have seen the guy sent off and yes Declan O'Sullivan should have been sent off(it wasn't him did the punch was it). I'm not questioning any of that but there were incidents which were very thetrical and akin to a real madrid - barca game as someone alreday said. That is not a direction we want our game to go.
There are not numerous clear-cut striking offenses in that video.
What always annoys me about teams like Derrytresk is the sneakiness of them.
They go from acting the hard man one minute to rolling around like a Uruguayan soccer player the next.
Act like men FFS.
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 14, 2012, 11:24:34 AM
Jaysus that video shows numerous clear-cut striking offences committed by Dromid players and we are still being told it reflects badly on Derrytresk! There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
Great article by Paddy Heaney in the Irish News today re the coverage of the semi-final. Basically said that it was telling how many hours it got in coverage from RTÉ and BBC and how many colulmn inches it got in the likes of the Sindo, before going on to say that for the final, the sindo didnt write a single word of a preview on it, rte didnt even have the score up until the next day and the bbc had only one short piece but ignored how Middleton fared in the intermediate final. He went on to state that "Essentially what the GAA is being told is this: 'We are not interested in providing any publicity for your poxy club games - unless it's negative publicity'". Hard to argue with that.
He also refers to the sectarian chanting that took place at an Irish League match when Crusaders goalie and former Antrim GAA footballer Sean O'Neill was subjected to sustained sectarian abuse and how the media outlets which hammered Derrytresk happily ignored this story and how there was "no follow up interview with Sean O'Neill, no phone in discussions, no questions addressed to Coleraine FC to find out how they were going to tackle the problem of sectarianism among their supporters. No questions were posed to the IFA to find out what disciplinary measures would be taken against the club".
His article is worth a read.
Also the BBCni sport gave the Rangers story 0.5 seconds, whats up with that given all the supporters we have in this little statelet
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 14, 2012, 11:24:34 AM
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He also refers to the sectarian chanting that took place at an Irish League match when Crusaders goalie and former Antrim GAA footballer Sean O'Neill was subjected to sustained sectarian abuse and how the media outlets which hammered Derrytresk happily ignored this story and how there was "no follow up interview with Sean O'Neill, no phone in discussions, no questions addressed to Coleraine FC to find out how they were going to tackle the problem of sectarianism among their supporters. No questions were posed to the IFA to find out what disciplinary measures would be taken against the club".
Why doesn't his paper make an issue out of it then?
Ask all those questions, publish the responses ,if any, and why doesnt he and others ring all the phone ins and raise the issue?
Or is he another "whinge on the sidelines merchant" asking the old question "why don't
THEY...?"
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 11:29:50 AM
Yes the punch should have seen the guy sent off and yes Declan O'Sullivan should have been sent off(it wasn't him did the punch was it). I'm not questioning any of that but there were incidents which were very thetrical and akin to a real madrid - barca game as someone alreday said. That is not a direction we want our game to go. I'd rather not talk about it.
load of aul gullible weemin from free staters to anti tyrone assholes who have done nothing significant in their miserable lives getting their perverted kicks putting derrytresk down when anything comes up.latest being a hack video that tries to be one sided but really shows these dromid idiots up. what a bunch of fuckin poofs and cryers, nothing of dromid doing nothin bad no sir.anyone who swallows that shit deserves everything comin to them.
and if kevin mc stay gets a good smack across the chops from some tyrone wan then he cant say he did not deserve it for his thrash talk.
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 14, 2012, 11:38:24 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 11:29:50 AM
Yes the punch should have seen the guy sent off and yes Declan O'Sullivan should have been sent off(it wasn't him did the punch was it). I'm not questioning any of that but there were incidents which were very thetrical and akin to a real madrid - barca game as someone alreday said. That is not a direction we want our game to go. I'd rather not talk about it.
Well that's what the behaviour reminded me off. No place for it on a GAA field.
Incidentally the BBC are a disgrace when it comes to this kind of thing and are all over it like a rash. Never do you see the GAA get as much coverage on the BBC as when a rucus occurs at a GAA match. In my opinion they have probably contributed to a ridiculous 5 year ban here.
Good man Cac orm féin - good rational and objective viewpoint there ::)
Quote from: Cac orm féin on February 14, 2012, 11:43:49 AM
load of aul gullible weemin from free staters to anti tyrone assholes who have done nothing significant in their miserable lives getting their perverted kicks putting derrytresk down when anything comes up.latest being a hack video that tries to be one sided but really shows these dromid idiots up. what a bunch of fuckin poofs and cryers, nothing of dromid doing nothin bad no sir.anyone who swallows that shit deserves everything comin to them.
and if kevin mc stay gets a good smack across the chops from some tyrone wan then he cant say he did not deserve it for his thrash talk.
Good man, let it out.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 14, 2012, 11:37:02 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 14, 2012, 11:24:34 AM
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He also refers to the sectarian chanting that took place at an Irish League match when Crusaders goalie and former Antrim GAA footballer Sean O'Neill was subjected to sustained sectarian abuse and how the media outlets which hammered Derrytresk happily ignored this story and how there was "no follow up interview with Sean O'Neill, no phone in discussions, no questions addressed to Coleraine FC to find out how they were going to tackle the problem of sectarianism among their supporters. No questions were posed to the IFA to find out what disciplinary measures would be taken against the club".
Why doesn't his paper make an issue out of it then?
Ask all those questions, publish the responses ,if any, and why doesnt he and others ring all the phone ins and raise the issue?
Or is he another "whinge on the sidelines merchant" asking the old question "why don't THEY...?"
because the hole thing only deserves only what it usually merits for the competition,a brief preview and report in national press and a bit more attention in local papers.
if it was not for a bunch of spoilt brat entitled kerry poofs you would not even know where derrytresk would be.now go back to calling liveline and tell joe how youve been crying about witney houston ye clampit
Quote from: Jinxy on February 14, 2012, 11:32:04 AM
What always annoys me about teams like Derrytresk is the sneakiness of them.
They go from acting the hard man one minute to rolling around like a Uruguayan soccer player the next.
Act like men FFS.
I think that what annoys you about Derrytresk is that it is in Tyrone. Just be honest, instead of making up stuff.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 14, 2012, 11:32:04 AM
What always annoys me about teams like Derrytresk is the sneakiness of them.
They go from acting the hard man one minute to rolling around like a Uruguayan soccer player the next.
Act like men FFS.
maybe we only copied on from the meath scum of 1996.you should really see derrytresk as a tribute to meath football from all those years ago with yer high horse.maybe i should call sum ex meath players,ask them what they think.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 11:45:40 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 14, 2012, 11:38:24 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 11:29:50 AM
Yes the punch should have seen the guy sent off and yes Declan O'Sullivan should have been sent off(it wasn't him did the punch was it). I'm not questioning any of that but there were incidents which were very thetrical and akin to a real madrid - barca game as someone alreday said. That is not a direction we want our game to go. I'd rather not talk about it.
Well that's what the behaviour reminded me off. No place for it on a GAA field.
Incidentally the BBC are a disgrace when it comes to this kind of thing and are all over it like a rash. Never do you see the GAA get as much coverage on the BBC as when a rucus occurs at a GAA match. In my opinion they have probably contributed to a ridiculous 5 year ban here.
Good man Cac orm féin - good rational and objective viewpoint there ::)
piss off with your snarky attitude,dont pretend yer unbiased in all this.why not do something with yourself like go outside on to a street and shout WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1996 - the gift that keeps on giving! It takes a splendid kind of masochism to keep evoking pleasant memories for the people you hate most.
Quote from: Hardy on February 14, 2012, 11:59:01 AM
1996 - the gift that keeps on giving! It takes a splendid kind of masochism to keep evoking pleasant memories for the people you hate most.
and it delites me more to see meath now wither away to meanin f**k all in the gaa today.
Quote from: Hardy on February 14, 2012, 11:59:01 AM
1996 - the gift that keeps on giving! It takes a splendid kind of masochism to keep evoking pleasant memories for the people you hate most.
:D
Quote from: Cac orm féin on February 14, 2012, 11:58:47 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 11:45:40 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 14, 2012, 11:38:24 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 11:29:50 AM
Yes the punch should have seen the guy sent off and yes Declan O'Sullivan should have been sent off(it wasn't him did the punch was it). I'm not questioning any of that but there were incidents which were very thetrical and akin to a real madrid - barca game as someone alreday said. That is not a direction we want our game to go. I'd rather not talk about it.
Well that's what the behaviour reminded me off. No place for it on a GAA field.
Incidentally the BBC are a disgrace when it comes to this kind of thing and are all over it like a rash. Never do you see the GAA get as much coverage on the BBC as when a rucus occurs at a GAA match. In my opinion they have probably contributed to a ridiculous 5 year ban here.
Good man Cac orm féin - good rational and objective viewpoint there ::)
piss off with your snarky attitude,dont pretend yer unbiased in all this.why not do something with yourself like go outside on to a street and shout WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sure why would I be biased? Yes the punishment is excessive and yes there were 2 sides and the media coverage has been excessive. Your video doesn't show you up well and I, and several others, thought, and think, the photo looks suspect. That's all. Objective opinion.
Can you make any points without cursing at ,and belittling, people?
Quote from: ballinaman on February 14, 2012, 12:05:59 PM
Quote from: Hardy on February 14, 2012, 11:59:01 AM
1996 - the gift that keeps on giving! It takes a splendid kind of masochism to keep evoking pleasant memories for the people you hate most.
:D
at least derrytresk against a load of odds went out to croke park and played to the end unlike nearly all teams from mayo with no vagina that shit themselves when they step on the same pitch.
Quote from: Hardy on February 14, 2012, 11:59:01 AM
1996 - the gift that keeps on giving! It takes a splendid kind of masochism to keep evoking pleasant memories for the people you hate most.
I wouldn't have thought it possible for an entire county to still be suffering from a collective neurosis on the back of a football game played 15 years ago, but the evidence is there for all to see.
Quote from: Cac orm féin on February 14, 2012, 12:01:18 PM
Quote from: Hardy on February 14, 2012, 11:59:01 AM
1996 - the gift that keeps on giving! It takes a splendid kind of masochism to keep evoking pleasant memories for the people you hate most.
and it delites me more to see meath now wither away to meanin f**k all in the gaa today.
As an infamous man didn't quite say:
We'll be back sometime; you'll still be Tyrone.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 12:08:29 PM
Quote from: Cac orm féin on February 14, 2012, 11:58:47 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 11:45:40 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 14, 2012, 11:38:24 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 11:29:50 AM
Yes the punch should have seen the guy sent off and yes Declan O'Sullivan should have been sent off(it wasn't him did the punch was it). I'm not questioning any of that but there were incidents which were very thetrical and akin to a real madrid - barca game as someone alreday said. That is not a direction we want our game to go. I'd rather not talk about it.
Well that's what the behaviour reminded me off. No place for it on a GAA field.
Incidentally the BBC are a disgrace when it comes to this kind of thing and are all over it like a rash. Never do you see the GAA get as much coverage on the BBC as when a rucus occurs at a GAA match. In my opinion they have probably contributed to a ridiculous 5 year ban here.
Good man Cac orm féin - good rational and objective viewpoint there ::)
piss off with your snarky attitude,dont pretend yer unbiased in all this.why not do something with yourself like go outside on to a street and shout WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sure why would I be biased? Yes the punishment is excessive and yes there were 2 sides and the media coverage has been excessive. Your video doesn't show you up well and I, and several others, thought, and think, the photo looks suspect. That's all. Objective opinion.
Can you make any points without cursing at ,and belittling, people?
yes when they are objective.yer not.yer an idiot.you take everything in that video at face value but think that the foto looks suspect.is that video suspect?why not question it.also i dont think derrytresk are a big enough club to have someone available who works for say mi5 to make a fake foto look real.truth is yer gulible and biased and for thinking that is MY video retards like you deserved tobe belittled.
I hadn't even considered the possibility of MI5 involvement..... till now.
hardy and jinxy i can help relive the glory days of 1996.just leave yer fone numbers up and a few abusive calls should bring back memories.
and if it wasnt for a tyrone man making a mistake you would not have won yer last leinster title.suck it up boys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
I've often wondered what it would be like to play Scrabble with Taz.
Quote from: Cac orm féin on February 14, 2012, 12:10:27 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on February 14, 2012, 12:05:59 PM
Quote from: Hardy on February 14, 2012, 11:59:01 AM
1996 - the gift that keeps on giving! It takes a splendid kind of masochism to keep evoking pleasant memories for the people you hate most.
:D
at least derrytresk against a load of odds went out to croke park and played to the end unlike nearly all teams from mayo with no vagina that shit themselves when they step on the same pitch.
:D at you
Quote from: Cac orm féin on February 14, 2012, 12:10:27 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on February 14, 2012, 12:05:59 PM
Quote from: Hardy on February 14, 2012, 11:59:01 AM
1996 - the gift that keeps on giving! It takes a splendid kind of masochism to keep evoking pleasant memories for the people you hate most.
:D
at least derrytresk against a load of odds went out to croke park and played to the end unlike nearly all teams from mayo with no vagina that shit themselves when they step on the same pitch.
Tyrone teams have vaginas? :o
Quote from: Hardy on February 14, 2012, 12:22:47 PM
I've often wondered what it would be like to play Scrabble with Taz.
ask a langer
Hi Cac,
I realise this is an emotive issue, especially after losing an All Ireland Final, but please pull the horns in a little bit. There has been loads of pages debated on this subject without major abuse or hysteria creeping in, so lets keep it like that.
Cheers
Quote from: ballinaman on February 14, 2012, 12:22:57 PM
Quote from: Cac orm féin on February 14, 2012, 12:10:27 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on February 14, 2012, 12:05:59 PM
Quote from: Hardy on February 14, 2012, 11:59:01 AM
1996 - the gift that keeps on giving! It takes a splendid kind of masochism to keep evoking pleasant memories for the people you hate most.
:D
at least derrytresk against a load of odds went out to croke park and played to the end unlike nearly all teams from mayo with no vagina that shit themselves when they step on the same pitch.
:D at you
truth hurts boy,truth hurts.green above red in croke park gets mighty scared.
This notion that Derrytresk were hard done by is just plain wrong. They got off way too softly. A Derrytresk player runs over to kick an opposing player who's on the ground concussed and he only gets a month ban for one of the most cowardly, gutless acts you can do. A sub jumps over the fence and hits a player with another cowardly act, a blindside punch and he only gets a month.
These cowardly thugs should have got jail time never mind far longer suspensions.
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on February 14, 2012, 12:36:30 PM
Hi Cac,
I realise this is an emotive issue, especially after losing an All Ireland Final, but please pull the horns in a little bit. There has been loads of pages debated on this subject without major abuse or hysteria creeping in, so lets keep it like that.
Cheers
im not a derrytresk man but the last 86 pages have been full of hysteria in case you have not seen that mr stokes???
Quote from: Hardy on February 14, 2012, 11:59:01 AM
1996 - the gift that keeps on giving! It takes a splendid kind of masochism to keep evoking pleasant memories for the people you hate most.
T'is good you have the memories I suppose, regardless of how distant they are.
Quote from: blanketattack on February 14, 2012, 12:38:38 PM
This notion that Derrytresk were hard done by is just plain wrong. They got off way too softly. A Derrytresk player runs over to kick an opposing player who's on the ground concussed and he only gets a month ban for one of the most cowardly, gutless acts you can do. A sub jumps over the fence and hits a player with another cowardly act, a blindside punch and he only gets a month.
These cowardly thugs should have got jail time never mind far longer suspensions.
derrytresk subs were wrong no doubt but quit the crying.do you think tadgh kennelly should be in jail?
seriously since when did prams come out with internet access?
Quote from: blanketattack on February 14, 2012, 12:38:38 PM
This notion that Derrytresk were hard done by is just plain wrong. They got off way too softly. A Derrytresk player runs over to kick an opposing player who's on the ground concussed and he only gets a month ban for one of the most cowardly, gutless acts you can do. A sub jumps over the fence and hits a player with another cowardly act, a blindside punch and he only gets a month.
These cowardly thugs should have got jail time never mind far longer suspensions.
:D
Indeed and those poor Dromid boys were surprised by this vicious assault. They were just there to play the beautiful game the way it should be played.
Quote from: Tubberman on February 14, 2012, 12:32:03 PM
Quote from: Cac orm féin on February 14, 2012, 12:10:27 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on February 14, 2012, 12:05:59 PM
Quote from: Hardy on February 14, 2012, 11:59:01 AM
1996 - the gift that keeps on giving! It takes a splendid kind of masochism to keep evoking pleasant memories for the people you hate most.
:D
at least derrytresk against a load of odds went out to croke park and played to the end unlike nearly all teams from mayo with no vagina that shit themselves when they step on the same pitch.
Tyrone teams have vaginas? :o
Maybe that's why Tyrone players are always grabbing opponent's testicles, they're just checking for vaginas.
Quote from: Cac orm féin on February 14, 2012, 12:42:46 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on February 14, 2012, 12:38:38 PM
This notion that Derrytresk were hard done by is just plain wrong. They got off way too softly. A Derrytresk player runs over to kick an opposing player who's on the ground concussed and he only gets a month ban for one of the most cowardly, gutless acts you can do. A sub jumps over the fence and hits a player with another cowardly act, a blindside punch and he only gets a month.
These cowardly thugs should have got jail time never mind far longer suspensions.
derrytresk subs were wrong no doubt but quit the crying.do you think tadgh kennelly should be in jail?
seriously since when did prams come out with internet access?
Don't know, but you seem to have got the first of them.
Quote from: LeoMc on February 14, 2012, 12:45:31 PM
Quote from: Cac orm féin on February 14, 2012, 12:42:46 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on February 14, 2012, 12:38:38 PM
This notion that Derrytresk were hard done by is just plain wrong. They got off way too softly. A Derrytresk player runs over to kick an opposing player who's on the ground concussed and he only gets a month ban for one of the most cowardly, gutless acts you can do. A sub jumps over the fence and hits a player with another cowardly act, a blindside punch and he only gets a month.
These cowardly thugs should have got jail time never mind far longer suspensions.
derrytresk subs were wrong no doubt but quit the crying.do you think tadgh kennelly should be in jail?
seriously since when did prams come out with internet access?
Don't know, but you seem to have got the first of them.
wow, what a come back.did that take you 0.00000000005 seconds to think of that?
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Quote from: Cac orm féin on February 14, 2012, 12:17:37 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 12:08:29 PM
Quote from: Cac orm féin on February 14, 2012, 11:58:47 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 11:45:40 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 14, 2012, 11:38:24 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 11:29:50 AM
Yes the punch should have seen the guy sent off and yes Declan O'Sullivan should have been sent off(it wasn't him did the punch was it). I'm not questioning any of that but there were incidents which were very thetrical and akin to a real madrid - barca game as someone alreday said. That is not a direction we want our game to go. I'd rather not talk about it.
Well that's what the behaviour reminded me off. No place for it on a GAA field.
Incidentally the BBC are a disgrace when it comes to this kind of thing and are all over it like a rash. Never do you see the GAA get as much coverage on the BBC as when a rucus occurs at a GAA match. In my opinion they have probably contributed to a ridiculous 5 year ban here.
Good man Cac orm féin - good rational and objective viewpoint there ::)
piss off with your snarky attitude,dont pretend yer unbiased in all this.why not do something with yourself like go outside on to a street and shout WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sure why would I be biased? Yes the punishment is excessive and yes there were 2 sides and the media coverage has been excessive. Your video doesn't show you up well and I, and several others, thought, and think, the photo looks suspect. That's all. Objective opinion.
Can you make any points without cursing at ,and belittling, people?
yes when they are objective.yer not.yer an idiot.you take everything in that video at face value but think that the foto looks suspect.is that video suspect?why not question it.also i dont think derrytresk are a big enough club to have someone available who works for say mi5 to make a fake foto look real.truth is yer gulible and biased and for thinking that is MY video retards like you deserved tobe belittled.
I would have to agree with that. Anyone who thinks you could master a camera deserves all they get. ;D
"No grace. It's over, Billy. Grow up and take your beating"
dromid pearses man jack o'connor to billy morgan after 2009 all ireland final where kenelly committed gbh against nicholas murphy.
have a wee word with yer clubmen jack.
Quote from: Cac orm féin on February 14, 2012, 12:39:58 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on February 14, 2012, 12:36:30 PM
Hi Cac,
I realise this is an emotive issue, especially after losing an All Ireland Final, but please pull the horns in a little bit. There has been loads of pages debated on this subject without major abuse or hysteria creeping in, so lets keep it like that.
Cheers
im not a derrytresk man but the last 86 pages have been full of hysteria in case you have not seen that mr stokes???
Not sure what this means, but if you think that's hysteria you should see some of the threads we have on the non GAA section. In any case, if you can't interact like an adult, then you'll be banned. (No appeals to the CCCC or the CHC)
Hopefully it won't come to that.
Quote from: Hardy on February 14, 2012, 12:47:21 PM
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you lose hardy i win
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Not content with giving Tyrone a bad name, now you're starting on gays?
Quote from: LeoMc on February 14, 2012, 12:47:57 PM
Quote from: Cac orm féin on February 14, 2012, 12:17:37 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 12:08:29 PM
Quote from: Cac orm féin on February 14, 2012, 11:58:47 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 11:45:40 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on February 14, 2012, 11:38:24 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 11:29:50 AM
Yes the punch should have seen the guy sent off and yes Declan O'Sullivan should have been sent off(it wasn't him did the punch was it). I'm not questioning any of that but there were incidents which were very thetrical and akin to a real madrid - barca game as someone alreday said. That is not a direction we want our game to go. I'd rather not talk about it.
Well that's what the behaviour reminded me off. No place for it on a GAA field.
Incidentally the BBC are a disgrace when it comes to this kind of thing and are all over it like a rash. Never do you see the GAA get as much coverage on the BBC as when a rucus occurs at a GAA match. In my opinion they have probably contributed to a ridiculous 5 year ban here.
Good man Cac orm féin - good rational and objective viewpoint there ::)
piss off with your snarky attitude,dont pretend yer unbiased in all this.why not do something with yourself like go outside on to a street and shout WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sure why would I be biased? Yes the punishment is excessive and yes there were 2 sides and the media coverage has been excessive. Your video doesn't show you up well and I, and several others, thought, and think, the photo looks suspect. That's all. Objective opinion.
Can you make any points without cursing at ,and belittling, people?
yes when they are objective.yer not.yer an idiot.you take everything in that video at face value but think that the foto looks suspect.is that video suspect?why not question it.also i dont think derrytresk are a big enough club to have someone available who works for say mi5 to make a fake foto look real.truth is yer gulible and biased and for thinking that is MY video retards like you deserved tobe belittled.
I would have to agree with that. Anyone who thinks you could master a camera deserves all they get. ;D
how long did that take 0.005 seconds?
Are the Derrytresk apologists completely without a sense of irony in the aftermath of this game?
What's the over/under on how long it takes for the phrase "Derrytresk PR machine" to work its way into the zeitgeist?
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Quote from: Cac orm féin on February 14, 2012, 12:39:58 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on February 14, 2012, 12:36:30 PM
Hi Cac,
I realise this is an emotive issue, especially after losing an All Ireland Final, but please pull the horns in a little bit. There has been loads of pages debated on this subject without major abuse or hysteria creeping in, so lets keep it like that.
Cheers
im not a derrytresk man but the last 86 pages have been full of hysteria in case you have not seen that mr stokes???
Not sure what this means, but if you think that's hysteria you should see some of the threads we have on the non GAA section. In any case, if you can't interact like an adult, then you'll be banned. (No appeals to the CCCC or the CHC)
Hopefully it won't come to that.
ban or no ban i can still have a word with you isnt it eddie?
Is that a record?
From 1st post to ban and possible non-molestation order from Mod3 (not Ziggy after all) took 1 hour and 8 minutes.
Ooh matron!
Quote from: Cac orm féin on February 14, 2012, 12:55:50 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on February 14, 2012, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: Cac orm féin on February 14, 2012, 12:39:58 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on February 14, 2012, 12:36:30 PM
Hi Cac,
I realise this is an emotive issue, especially after losing an All Ireland Final, but please pull the horns in a little bit. There has been loads of pages debated on this subject without major abuse or hysteria creeping in, so lets keep it like that.
Cheers
im not a derrytresk man but the last 86 pages have been full of hysteria in case you have not seen that mr stokes???
Not sure what this means, but if you think that's hysteria you should see some of the threads we have on the non GAA section. In any case, if you can't interact like an adult, then you'll be banned. (No appeals to the CCCC or the CHC)
Hopefully it won't come to that.
ban or no ban i can still have a word with you isnt it eddie?
So clever, but so wrong at the same time. Ah well. Slán go foill.
Quote from: Cac orm féin on February 14, 2012, 12:49:04 PM
"No grace. It's over, Billy. Grow up and take your beating"
dromid pearses man jack o'connor to billy morgan after 2009 all ireland final where kenelly committed gbh against nicholas murphy.
have a wee word with yer clubmen jack.
Oh the irony!
I'm gonna miss this guy.
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Quote from: Hardy on February 14, 2012, 11:59:01 AM
1996 - the gift that keeps on giving! It takes a splendid kind of masochism to keep evoking pleasant memories for the people you hate most.
:D
at least derrytresk against a load of odds went out to croke park and played to the end unlike nearly all teams from mayo with no vagina that shit themselves when they step on the same pitch.
:D at you
truth hurts boy,truth hurts.green above red in croke park gets mighty scared.
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 14, 2012, 10:52:55 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 10:41:31 AM
Incidentally irrespective of whether that photo was real or not the very fact that so many people questioned it highlights the fact that it should not be used for evidence. Photos have no context anyway.
No, it means that more than a few anatomical or photographical 'experts' should seek new lines of employment.
I'm a physiotherapist and its impossible for your arm to be in that position... :D ::)
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Quote from: ballinaman on February 14, 2012, 12:05:59 PM
Quote from: Hardy on February 14, 2012, 11:59:01 AM
1996 - the gift that keeps on giving! It takes a splendid kind of masochism to keep evoking pleasant memories for the people you hate most.
:D
at least derrytresk against a load of odds went out to croke park and played to the end unlike nearly all teams from mayo with no vagina that shit themselves when they step on the same pitch.
:D at you
truth hurts boy,truth hurts.green above red in croke park gets mighty scared.
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I would say they got all the Vagina they wanted at the homecoming!
This is my last post on this matter,Derrytresk lost fair and square on sunday that is sport and so be it am sure dromid and derrytresk would both not be happy with all the bad press over the last few weeks am sure off that, there was things done and said from both sides that they will not be busting with pride about, everything blown out off preportion lets move on folks and get over it i hope your club will not get into a melee in the future and you feel hard done by,by punishments handed out,everyone forgets their club could be next all derrytresk ever wanted was consistency across the board you can be the judge if they got it or not maybe make your decision if this was your club how would you feel (honesty required for this answer).
I think we should bring in a rule that anyone who rings Joe Duffy should be fined €500 :D
Quote from: Cac orm féin on February 14, 2012, 12:49:04 PM
"No grace. It's over, Billy. Grow up and take your beating"
dromid pearses man jack o'connor to billy morgan after 2009 all ireland final where kenelly committed gbh against nicholas murphy.
have a wee word with yer clubmen jack.
Are you sure Jack O'Connor said that to Billy Morgan after the '09 final seeing that Conor Counihan was the Cork manager? Ignorance must be bliss.
Any mention of the acts of thuggery by the Derrytresk players/subs is met with remarks like "what about the Dromid players", "what about Tadgh Kennelly", "what about Meath in the '96 semi-final".
Is dealing with the fact that the Derrytresk players committed acts of thuggery and they were not harshly treated as you wrongly seem to think, too much of a reality check that you have to retrace history to try to find comparable incidents?
Quote from: haranguerer on February 14, 2012, 01:25:42 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 14, 2012, 10:52:55 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 10:41:31 AM
Incidentally irrespective of whether that photo was real or not the very fact that so many people questioned it highlights the fact that it should not be used for evidence. Photos have no context anyway.
No, it means that more than a few anatomical or photographical 'experts' should seek new lines of employment.
I'm a physiotherapist and its impossible for your arm to be in that position... :D ::)
Now now, Michael Phelps and the likes can bring about the exception.....
Er they don't have to go that far back. In fact as mentioned they only have to go as far back as the same game. That's why your not really understanding everything are you. It's not a case of Derrytresk not deserving their bans. It's about the consistancy of applying the rules.
It'll sink in sometime.
Or maybe not.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 14, 2012, 02:41:58 PM
That's why your not really understanding everything are you.
Yoda - is that you?
No.
Oh ffs... Cac orm Fein was banned.
It feels like a 40lb salmon got away
Only after reading back on the craic on here today. :D
Cac orm fein shall forever be a legend!
Better to burn out than fade away.
Might just be a suspension. He'll be hungry when he comes back.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2012, 10:41:31 AM
2. Derrytresk are very theatrical.
The clearly coordinated calling for medical assistance when their team mate took a full force punch to the midriff was particularly magnificent.
They are a cunning breed.
after all of this Derrylisk seem to be still a team of some ability I will leave it to Tyrone posters to comment.
Why do people have such trouble with the word 'Derrytresk'?
I've heard half a dozen variations at this stage.
Straight into training for the Intermediate. No messing about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHertc85muk&feature=related
The CCCCCCCC has proposed fines of €5k for Monaghan and Kildare.
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 15, 2012, 11:12:46 AM
The CCCCCCCC has proposed fines of €5k for Monaghan and Kildare.
And
The disciplinary body has decided not to take further action against any individual Monaghan or Kildare player...All invisible men then. ???
Joe Duffy unavailable for comment...
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 15, 2012, 12:02:53 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 15, 2012, 11:12:46 AM
The CCCCCCCC has proposed fines of €5k for Monaghan and Kildare.
And The disciplinary body has decided not to take further action against any individual Monaghan or Kildare player...
All invisible men then. ???
Which players do you think should be suspended?
The fella that was given a straight red for striking?
Who else did something worthy of sanction?
I think the point which is being made is that this was no worse than the pushing and shoving at the Derrytresk match, however, there was no incursion here, which makes a difference. anyways time to let it go.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 15, 2012, 12:44:48 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 15, 2012, 12:02:53 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 15, 2012, 11:12:46 AM
The CCCCCCCC has proposed fines of €5k for Monaghan and Kildare.
And The disciplinary body has decided not to take further action against any individual Monaghan or Kildare player...
All invisible men then. ???
Which players do you think should be suspended?
The fella that was given a straight red for striking?
Who else did something worthy of sanction?
They've hit both counties with €5K fine, so they must have discerned something of punitive substance. How curious then that they can't even identify one individual who was at the core of the disturbance.
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 15, 2012, 12:50:47 PM
I think the point which is being made is that this was no worse than the pushing and shoving at the Derrytresk match, however, there was no incursion here, which makes a difference. anyways time to let it go.
must look at the video again - I thought there were several subs from both sides in the thick of it on sunday, difference was they didnt have to jump any fences so it didnt look as bad.
Lads, put the tinfoil hats away for a few days.
Quote from: camanchero on February 15, 2012, 01:16:44 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 15, 2012, 12:50:47 PM
I think the point which is being made is that this was no worse than the pushing and shoving at the Derrytresk match, however, there was no incursion here, which makes a difference. anyways time to let it go.
must look at the video again - I thought there were several subs from both sides in the thick of it on sunday, difference was they didnt have to jump any fences so it didnt look as bad.
Did anybody strike anybody else, apart from the player who was red-carded?
As mentioned earlier, the Kildare Number 8 performed an act that would be deemed at least an 'assault' if it happened on the street.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 15, 2012, 01:44:43 PM
As mentioned earlier, the Kildare Number 8 performed an act that would be deemed at least an 'assault' if it happened on the street.
Oh my god.
You do realise that over the course of a 70 minute game of gaelic football, even if not a single foul is committed, multiple acts that would be deemed an 'assault' if they happened on the street could occur.
Ever watch rugby?
Rugby tackle someone on the street and see what happens.
Is this what ye are reduced to lads?
Seriously?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 15, 2012, 12:56:23 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 15, 2012, 12:44:48 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 15, 2012, 12:02:53 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 15, 2012, 11:12:46 AM
The CCCCCCCC has proposed fines of €5k for Monaghan and Kildare.
And The disciplinary body has decided not to take further action against any individual Monaghan or Kildare player...
All invisible men then. ???
Which players do you think should be suspended?
The fella that was given a straight red for striking?
Who else did something worthy of sanction?
They've hit both counties with €5K fine, so they must have discerned something of punitive substance. How curious then that they can't even identify one individual who was at the core of the disturbance.
Brian Flanagan was the one man to raise his hands and he has received a ban. Niall Carew has also received a four week sideline ban for entering the playing area. Both county boards have been fined. What more do you want?
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 15, 2012, 01:44:43 PM
As mentioned earlier, the Kildare Number 8 performed an act that would be deemed at least an 'assault' if it happened on the street.
What did Flynn do and at what point in the match?
Quote from: camanchero on February 15, 2012, 01:16:44 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 15, 2012, 12:50:47 PM
I think the point which is being made is that this was no worse than the pushing and shoving at the Derrytresk match, however, there was no incursion here, which makes a difference. anyways time to let it go.
must look at the video again - I thought there were several subs from both sides in the thick of it on sunday, difference was they didnt have to jump any fences so it didnt look as bad.
No, there weren't.
So, we're now into the realms of the CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC recommending punishments for acts involving phantom players, phantom acts involving real players, or phantom acts involving phantom players, all because the 'optics' look bad.
Extract from the (identical) Kildare and Monaghan appeals: we're not accepting this punishment, since no one at all was involved, obviously.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 15, 2012, 02:06:25 PM
Brian Flanagan was the one man to raise his hands and he has received a ban. Niall Carew has also received a four week sideline ban for entering the playing area. Both county boards have been fined. What more do you want?
There was a 'shemozzle' involving somewhat more than 2 Kildare players, not to mention Monaghan players.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 15, 2012, 02:18:09 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 15, 2012, 02:06:25 PM
Brian Flanagan was the one man to raise his hands and he has received a ban. Niall Carew has also received a four week sideline ban for entering the playing area. Both county boards have been fined. What more do you want?
There was a 'shemozzle' involving somewhat more than 2 Kildare players, not to mention Monaghan players.
Define 'shemozzle'.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 15, 2012, 02:18:09 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 15, 2012, 02:06:25 PM
Brian Flanagan was the one man to raise his hands and he has received a ban. Niall Carew has also received a four week sideline ban for entering the playing area. Both county boards have been fined. What more do you want?
There was a 'shemozzle' involving somewhat more than 2 Kildare players, not to mention Monaghan players.
But no one bar Brian Flanagan raised their hands. He took a swipe at Paul Finlay (and missed not that it matters). Nothing else apart from plenty of pushing and shoving. Should the other twenty or so players be banned for a bit of pushing. You'd see worse on the Coppers dancefloor.
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Quote from: camanchero on February 15, 2012, 01:16:44 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 15, 2012, 12:50:47 PM
I think the point which is being made is that this was no worse than the pushing and shoving at the Derrytresk match, however, there was no incursion here, which makes a difference. anyways time to let it go.
must look at the video again - I thought there were several subs from both sides in the thick of it on sunday, difference was they didnt have to jump any fences so it didnt look as bad.
Can you name those subs (their numbers)? I didn't see any, and haven't seen any in the video replays.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 15, 2012, 02:06:25 PM
Should the other twenty or so players be banned for a bit of pushing. You'd see worse on the Coppers dancefloor.
That's the point: are they issuing penalties now where no one is
really culpable, all for appearances' sake? Or are counties now liiable to be hit with a fine if a player's in receipt of a straight red card during a game?
shemozzle: a GAA euphemism for an on-field fracas.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 15, 2012, 02:06:25 PM
Quote from: camanchero on February 15, 2012, 01:16:44 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 15, 2012, 12:50:47 PM
I think the point which is being made is that this was no worse than the pushing and shoving at the Derrytresk match, however, there was no incursion here, which makes a difference. anyways time to let it go.
must look at the video again - I thought there were several subs from both sides in the thick of it on sunday, difference was they didnt have to jump any fences so it didnt look as bad.
No, there weren't.
as I said, I'll look at it again if I can find it. just thought when watching it on sunday there were.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 15, 2012, 02:23:23 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 15, 2012, 02:18:09 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 15, 2012, 02:06:25 PM
Brian Flanagan was the one man to raise his hands and he has received a ban. Niall Carew has also received a four week sideline ban for entering the playing area. Both county boards have been fined. What more do you want?
There was a 'shemozzle' involving somewhat more than 2 Kildare players, not to mention Monaghan players.
But no one bar Brian Flanagan raised their hands. He took a swipe at Paul Finlay (and missed not that it matters). Nothing else apart from plenty of pushing and shoving. Should the other twenty or so players be banned for a bit of pushing. You'd see worse on the Coppers dancefloor.
I've been slapped/hit with a handbag several times on the Coppers dancefloor.
Where's MY CCCCCC? >:(
Quote from: camanchero on February 15, 2012, 02:30:10 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 15, 2012, 02:06:25 PM
Quote from: camanchero on February 15, 2012, 01:16:44 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 15, 2012, 12:50:47 PM
I think the point which is being made is that this was no worse than the pushing and shoving at the Derrytresk match, however, there was no incursion here, which makes a difference. anyways time to let it go.
must look at the video again - I thought there were several subs from both sides in the thick of it on sunday, difference was they didnt have to jump any fences so it didnt look as bad.
No, there weren't.
as I said, I'll look at it again if I can find it. just thought when watching it on sunday there were.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkJnS5-HSlY
From 3.15
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 15, 2012, 02:29:13 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 15, 2012, 02:06:25 PM
Should the other twenty or so players be banned for a bit of pushing. You'd see worse on the Coppers dancefloor.
That's the point: are they issuing penalties now where no one is really culpable, all for appearances' sake? Or are counties now liiable to be hit with a fine if a player's in receipt of a straight red card during a game?
shemozzle: a GAA euphemism for an on-field fracas.
Was there just a bit of shoving in Portlaoise?
Quote from: Tubberman on February 15, 2012, 03:10:57 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 15, 2012, 02:29:13 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 15, 2012, 02:06:25 PM
Should the other twenty or so players be banned for a bit of pushing. You'd see worse on the Coppers dancefloor.
That's the point: are they issuing penalties now where no one is really culpable, all for appearances' sake? Or are counties now liiable to be hit with a fine if a player's in receipt of a straight red card during a game?
shemozzle: a GAA euphemism for an on-field fracas.
Was there just a bit of shoving in Portlaoise?
What's that got to do with it? Why are
you bringing Port Laoise into it?
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 15, 2012, 02:59:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkJnS5-HSlY
From 3.15
thanks for that.
ok kildare #17 was Johnny Doyle - so he was already on.
Monaghan had #17 & #18 - not sure if they were already on as subs.
at 3.42 a lad looking like a sub ran in - he obv looked like he was just going to pick up someones gloves that had fallen down.
this excerpt (thanks for sharing it) cuts out from the pitch at 3.43 when there is prob a bit more.
certainly I believe there was a lot more on tg4 on sunday.
still think even this clip shows there was at least one sub on- and I dont believe he was on his own and only copper fastens my view of this last sun.
This incident was feck all though- no real slaps - just like derrytreask v dromid imo.
glad the media didnt blow this one all out of proportion.
Quote from: camanchero on February 15, 2012, 04:08:37 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 15, 2012, 02:59:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkJnS5-HSlY
From 3.15
thanks for that.
ok kildare #17 was Johnny Doyle - so he was already on.
Monaghan had #17 & #18 - not sure if they were already on as subs.
at 3.42 a lad looking like a sub ran in - he obv looked like he was just going to pick up someones gloves that had fallen down.
this excerpt (thanks for sharing it) cuts out from the pitch at 3.43 when there is prob a bit more.
certainly I believe there was a lot more on tg4 on sunday.
still think even this clip shows there was at least one sub on- and I dont believe he was on his own and only copper fastens my view of this last sun.
This incident was feck all though- no real slaps - just like derrytreask v dromid imo.
glad the media didnt blow this one all out of proportion.
Me too! As long as it's just games involving Tyrone that's Ok by me :D
Quote from: screenexile on February 15, 2012, 04:49:58 PM
Quote from: camanchero on February 15, 2012, 04:08:37 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 15, 2012, 02:59:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkJnS5-HSlY
From 3.15
thanks for that.
ok kildare #17 was Johnny Doyle - so he was already on.
Monaghan had #17 & #18 - not sure if they were already on as subs.
at 3.42 a lad looking like a sub ran in - he obv looked like he was just going to pick up someones gloves that had fallen down.
this excerpt (thanks for sharing it) cuts out from the pitch at 3.43 when there is prob a bit more.
certainly I believe there was a lot more on tg4 on sunday.
still think even this clip shows there was at least one sub on- and I dont believe he was on his own and only copper fastens my view of this last sun.
This incident was feck all though- no real slaps - just like derrytreask v dromid imo.
glad the media didnt blow this one all out of proportion.
Me too! As long as it's just games involving Tyrone that's Ok by me :D
sure you got more slaps hitting you outside slaughtneil disco !
Quote from: camanchero on February 15, 2012, 04:08:37 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 15, 2012, 02:59:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkJnS5-HSlY
From 3.15
thanks for that.
ok kildare #17 was Johnny Doyle - so he was already on.
Monaghan had #17 & #18 - not sure if they were already on as subs.
at 3.42 a lad looking like a sub ran in - he obv looked like he was just going to pick up someones gloves that had fallen down.
this excerpt (thanks for sharing it) cuts out from the pitch at 3.43 when there is prob a bit more.
certainly I believe there was a lot more on tg4 on sunday.
still think even this clip shows there was at least one sub on- and I dont believe he was on his own and only copper fastens my view of this last sun.
This incident was feck all though- no real slaps - just like derrytreask v dromid imo.
glad the media didnt blow this one all out of proportion.
Monaghan's #17 and #18 were on. Both teams started the game with 5 changes, so there were a lot of 'high numbers' on the pitch.
Kildare appealing their fine - http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=162126
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 15, 2012, 05:51:56 PM
Kildare appealing their fine - http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=162126
What McMahon meant to say is that KCB can't afford the fine!! :D
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 15, 2012, 06:04:15 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 15, 2012, 05:51:56 PM
Kildare appealing their fine - http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=162126
What McMahon meant to say is that KCB can't afford the fine!! :D
Their money's safe DH, we'll have the Kildare variant of 'The Men They Couldn't Hang' in 'The Men They Couldn't
See'! ;)
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 15, 2012, 02:59:01 PM
Quote from: camanchero on February 15, 2012, 02:30:10 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 15, 2012, 02:06:25 PM
Quote from: camanchero on February 15, 2012, 01:16:44 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 15, 2012, 12:50:47 PM
I think the point which is being made is that this was no worse than the pushing and shoving at the Derrytresk match, however, there was no incursion here, which makes a difference. anyways time to let it go.
must look at the video again - I thought there were several subs from both sides in the thick of it on sunday, difference was they didnt have to jump any fences so it didnt look as bad.
No, there weren't.
as I said, I'll look at it again if I can find it. just thought when watching it on sunday there were.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkJnS5-HSlY
From 3.15
No meals at training until the 5k is paid off!
Some surprisingly good scores from Monaghan there. McGeeney should know the blanket type defense might offer shots from 45 yards or so, but free shots from 35 yards is bit different.
Quote from: Hardy on February 15, 2012, 02:27:27 PM
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Geezer & Canavan?
I suppose filling up those Range Rovers is taking a fair whack out of Kildare pockets these days.
Are Kildare going to play the victims v's the Nordies, by appealing their fine?
If the game was not on TV, would anyone have noticed that almost tranquil confrontation?
Too cheerful for Geezer, too much hair for Canavan.
It's a pity for Derrytresk that they were the guinea pigs. Fining D'tresk €5000 is not comparable to fining these county bords the same - county boards have huge incomes - clubs don't have the same - so why fine them the same ?.
Christy in the bit below seems to be making it up as he goes along -
Cork and Armagh have responded to the CCCC's decision to suspend a quartet of players and fine both county boards €5,000 following the mass brawl at the the Athletic Grounds a fortnight ago.
Cork's Michael Shields faces a two-match ban and his team-mate Pearse O'Neill has been banned for one match.
Armagh duo Malachy Mackin and Ciaran McKeever have both been handed one-match bans.
Cork will discuss the bans and fine between the panel before deciding whether to appeal the decision, while a county official for Armagh told the Irish Examiner that he would be "very surprised" if his county didn't appeal. That same official was also surprised the CCCC took so long to deliver their decision.
Cork selector Ger O'Sullivan has expressed surprise at the CCCC's decision. He told the Irish Examiner: "Okay, maybe they want to stamp out this pushing and shoving but I have seen it on DVD and I would be very surprised if anything came of it.
"There are more serious incidents that need investigation and should probably take up more time than something like this.
"Okay, it doesn't look good, I admit that, but unless I missed something it was two guys just wrestling and the rest of them came in to pull them off. If that is a crime and merits an investigation then that is very strange."
GAA president Christy Cooney told the Irish Examiner that the deduction of league points may be considered as a suitable ban for similar scuffles in the future.
"I think that might come," he told the newspaper. "If the deterrent that is put in place now by the CCCC doesn't get the required response from counties, maybe the CCCC will have to look at it in another way, certainly.
"What that is I don't know. I haven't thought about it but it will certainly have to be looked at because what happened in Cork and Armagh and between Monaghan and Kildare is unacceptable and it cannot continue."
By the time Frank Murphy is finished with this, Croke Park will owe Cork 5,000, Armagh will owe them 10,000 and Cork will have a bye into the league final.
Quote from: orangeman on February 16, 2012, 11:43:08 AM
It's a pity for Derrytresk that they were the guinea pigs. Fining D'tresk €5000 is not comparable to fining these county bords the same - county boards have huge incomes - clubs don't have the same - so why fine them the same ?.
Christy in the bit below seems to be making it up as he goes along -
Cork and Armagh have responded to the CCCC's decision to suspend a quartet of players and fine both county boards €5,000 following the mass brawl at the the Athletic Grounds a fortnight ago.
Cork's Michael Shields faces a two-match ban and his team-mate Pearse O'Neill has been banned for one match.
Armagh duo Malachy Mackin and Ciaran McKeever have both been handed one-match bans.
Cork will discuss the bans and fine between the panel before deciding whether to appeal the decision, while a county official for Armagh told the Irish Examiner that he would be "very surprised" if his county didn't appeal. That same official was also surprised the CCCC took so long to deliver their decision.
Cork selector Ger O'Sullivan has expressed surprise at the CCCC's decision. He told the Irish Examiner: "Okay, maybe they want to stamp out this pushing and shoving but I have seen it on DVD and I would be very surprised if anything came of it.
"There are more serious incidents that need investigation and should probably take up more time than something like this.
"Okay, it doesn't look good, I admit that, but unless I missed something it was two guys just wrestling and the rest of them came in to pull them off. If that is a crime and merits an investigation then that is very strange."
GAA president Christy Cooney told the Irish Examiner that the deduction of league points may be considered as a suitable ban for similar scuffles in the future.
"I think that might come," he told the newspaper. "If the deterrent that is put in place now by the CCCC doesn't get the required response from counties, maybe the CCCC will have to look at it in another way, certainly.
"What that is I don't know. I haven't thought about it but it will certainly have to be looked at because what happened in Cork and Armagh and between Monaghan and Kildare is unacceptable and it cannot continue."
That is disgusting!!! Everyone involved should indeed be locked up for such nonsense . . . or sent to Iris' friends house to get 'the cure'
Quote from: screenexile on February 16, 2012, 11:51:55 AM
Quote from: orangeman on February 16, 2012, 11:43:08 AM
It's a pity for Derrytresk that they were the guinea pigs. Fining D'tresk €5000 is not comparable to fining these county bords the same - county boards have huge incomes - clubs don't have the same - so why fine them the same ?.
Christy in the bit below seems to be making it up as he goes along -
Cork and Armagh have responded to the CCCC's decision to suspend a quartet of players and fine both county boards €5,000 following the mass brawl at the the Athletic Grounds a fortnight ago.
Cork's Michael Shields faces a two-match ban and his team-mate Pearse O'Neill has been banned for one match.
Armagh duo Malachy Mackin and Ciaran McKeever have both been handed one-match bans.
Cork will discuss the bans and fine between the panel before deciding whether to appeal the decision, while a county official for Armagh told the Irish Examiner that he would be "very surprised" if his county didn't appeal. That same official was also surprised the CCCC took so long to deliver their decision.
Cork selector Ger O'Sullivan has expressed surprise at the CCCC's decision. He told the Irish Examiner: "Okay, maybe they want to stamp out this pushing and shoving but I have seen it on DVD and I would be very surprised if anything came of it.
"There are more serious incidents that need investigation and should probably take up more time than something like this.
"Okay, it doesn't look good, I admit that, but unless I missed something it was two guys just wrestling and the rest of them came in to pull them off. If that is a crime and merits an investigation then that is very strange."
GAA president Christy Cooney told the Irish Examiner that the deduction of league points may be considered as a suitable ban for similar scuffles in the future.
"I think that might come," he told the newspaper. "If the deterrent that is put in place now by the CCCC doesn't get the required response from counties, maybe the CCCC will have to look at it in another way, certainly.
"What that is I don't know. I haven't thought about it but it will certainly have to be looked at because what happened in Cork and Armagh and between Monaghan and Kildare is unacceptable and it cannot continue."
That is disgusting!!! Everyone involved should indeed be locked up for such nonsense . . . or sent to Iris' friends house to get 'the cure'
Latest news: "Donal og switches codes from the hurlers to the footballers" ;D
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 15, 2012, 06:04:15 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 15, 2012, 05:51:56 PM
Kildare appealing their fine - http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=162126
What McMahon meant to say is that KCB can't afford the fine!! :D
They'll have to cut back on Geezers daily fruit allowance.
Kildare used to have the best backers but now they're no great sheikhs.
Even if Seanies transfer does go through, will he have time to bedouin to the squad before the championship?
Quote from: Jinxy on February 16, 2012, 07:28:30 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 15, 2012, 06:04:15 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 15, 2012, 05:51:56 PM
Kildare appealing their fine - http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=162126
What McMahon meant to say is that KCB can't afford the fine!! :D
They'll have to cut back on Geezers daily fruit allowance.
He'll have to make do with the county's most loved foodstuff.....
(http://online.hemscottir.com/static/cms/2/2/9/4/9/6/6/8/1/4/binary/6154326476/9574058.jpg)
Derrytresk managers' reactions to Sunday's defeat:
http://vimeo.com/36852432
http://vimeo.com/36800405
Quote from: ONeill on February 16, 2012, 08:48:21 PM
Derrytresk managers' reactions to Sunday's defeat:
http://vimeo.com/36800405
Is Paul Canavan the clipboard guy?
Here, we've moved on to the flourbags now.
Stop hijacking the thread!
Paddy Power today announced they are taking bets on the next Inter County Board to be fined as a result of their teams field fighting.
This new GAA betting initiative was prompted by the dramatic increase in players fighting during games, witnessed as recently as last Sunday's National League fixture between Monaghan and Kildare which resulted in both County Boards receiving hefty €5,000 fines.
Cork County Board have been installed as Paddy Power's 10/1 favourites to pick up the next fine for players fighting followed by Dublin at 10/1 and Armagh at 12/1.
Paddy Power himself commented "Player fighting has become an unfortunate but unquestionably more frequent part of the modern game and as such, if you can't get away from it, why can't you bet on it?"
Next Inter County Board to be fined for field fighting:
10/1 Cork
10/1 Dublin
12/1 Armagh
12/1 Tyrone
12/1 Kerry
12/1 Limerick
12/1 Galway
12/1 Tipperary
14/1 Kildare
14/1 Clare
16/1 Antrim
16/1 Laois
16/1 Waterford
16/1 Kilkenny
16/1 Meath
16/1 Wexford
20/1 Derry
20/1 Monaghan
20/1 Down
25/1 Donegal
25/1 Fermanagh
25/1 Longford
25/1 Louth
25/1 Westmeath
25/1 Offaly
28/1 Wicklow
28/1 Sligo
28/1 Mayo
28/1 Roscommon
33/1 Cavan
33/1 Carlow
50/1 Leitrim
Few bucks to be made if you know someone from Leitrim.
Paddy Power are snakes............................ they are the ruining of many a person
Quote from: Take Your Points on February 17, 2012, 10:56:10 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 17, 2012, 09:21:52 AM
Few bucks to be made if you know someone from Leitrim.
Get the county board to put 5K on with PP and there will be enough to keep Leitrim football well financed for the next 10 years.
That would be such an easy bet!!! But what happens if every county board did the same? :P
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 17, 2012, 11:07:29 AM
Quote from: Take Your Points on February 17, 2012, 10:56:10 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 17, 2012, 09:21:52 AM
Few bucks to be made if you know someone from Leitrim.
Get the county board to put 5K on with PP and there will be enough to keep Leitrim football well financed for the next 10 years.
That would be such an easy bet!!! But what happens if every county board did the same? :P
We'll have some mighty rows. They'll be busing in derrytresk 1's to take part.
3 year ban for Dromid!
Come on lads.... a hundred pages.
We can do it.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 17, 2012, 11:07:29 AM
Quote from: Take Your Points on February 17, 2012, 10:56:10 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 17, 2012, 09:21:52 AM
Few bucks to be made if you know someone from Leitrim.
Get the county board to put 5K on with PP and there will be enough to keep Leitrim football well financed for the next 10 years.
That would be such an easy bet!!! But what happens if every county board did the same? :P
PP would learn a valuable expensive lesson.
Was there much bad language out of the Cross supporters on Saturday?
Quote from: ONeill on February 16, 2012, 08:48:21 PM
Derrytresk managers' reactions to Sunday's defeat:
http://vimeo.com/36852432
http://vimeo.com/36800405
Ah Jesus and people are giving out about the southern media. I've never seen such a love-in in my life.
QuoteWas there much bad language out of the Cross supporters on Saturday?
Of course not. Although perhaps I did hear one individual suggest that the regulatory official resembled a female reproductory orifice.
Animals.
What the hell is going on in HQ?
Monaghan's appeal against the €5,000 fine is 'successful'... it's replaced with a Forfeit of Home Advantage to the opposition in the next scheduled Allianz Football League home fixture. So instead of playing Louth in Clones, we have to travel to Louth! Where has the GAA pulled this one from? Can they just make up sanctions? Why should Louth benefit from this?
Monaghan are appealing this new sanction to the CAC.
This is a complete joke. As bad as Cooney's idea of deducting points from teams in the National League. He did not say how that would work in the Championship. You would hope he would keep quiet now that his term is nearly up. It would be better than spouting the nonsense he is coming out with latel >:( >:(y. >:(
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 21, 2012, 07:09:09 PM
What the hell is going on in HQ?
Monaghan's appeal against the €5,000 fine is 'successful'... it's replaced with a Forfeit of Home Advantage to the opposition in the next scheduled Allianz Football League home fixture. So instead of playing Louth in Clones, we have to travel to Louth! Where has the GAA pulled this one from? Can they just make up sanctions? Why should Louth benefit from this?
Why indeed should Louth get an extra home game which could affect a lot of the other teams in the Division as well.
I don't know who dreamed this up but it defies logic.
next thing that will happen is team will be made play behind close doors. Then we would be totally be screwed
Hopefully all Counties withdraw from All Ireland competition if the GAA keeps this practice up. Starting to become a feckin dictatorship.
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 21, 2012, 07:09:09 PM
What the hell is going on in HQ?
Monaghan's appeal against the €5,000 fine is 'successful'... it's replaced with a Forfeit of Home Advantage to the opposition in the next scheduled Allianz Football League home fixture. So instead of playing Louth in Clones, we have to travel to Louth! Where has the GAA pulled this one from? Can they just make up sanctions? Why should Louth benefit from this?
Monaghan are appealing this new sanction to the CAC.
What a farce!
What authority does Croke Park have to impose these swinging penalties? We are always told that this is a democratic organisation and that all changes must go thro Congress. Did Congress pass a motion allowing the powers that be the authority to deny a home venue for what amounts to in reality minor altercations? I can see the DRA being called into action here. It's time the GAA grassroots took ownership of the association. We hear all about the value of volunteers and yet we have these autocrats sitting in their ivory towers using their powers to undo the work of volunteers.
The idea of fines is ludicrous. It wouldn't take a lot of ingenuity by a county board to obviate the effects of that one.
They're making a pig's bollix out of a pig's ear -- unbelievably high-handed and inept.
I blame Derrytresk.
Let's write them a rule book ourselves. Making it up as they go along. A shambles of an organisation at the highest level.
Quote from: ONeill on February 21, 2012, 11:41:49 PM
Let's write them a rule book ourselves. Making it up as they go along. A shambles of an organisation at the highest level.
Definitely - made up as they've gone along.
Quote from: orangeman on February 21, 2012, 11:44:34 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 21, 2012, 11:41:49 PM
Let's write them a rule book ourselves. Making it up as they go along. A shambles of an organisation at the highest level.
Definitely - made up as they've gone along.
Well sure you'll probably have Kevin McStay telling them next weekend that it's a fine sanction and they should suck it up whilst having a good look at themselves.
Mickey Harte preaches that we should be an international organisation. I would fear the exposure would reinforce the thick Paddy stereotype.
To think that this total mess is being perpetrated to justify the pounding given to a Junior Club team. They really are making it up as they go. Cooney has an over inflated view of his own position.
But it's special - very special.
Quote from: Samuel James on February 21, 2012, 10:30:01 PM
What authority does Croke Park have to impose these swinging penalties? We are always told that this is a democratic organisation and that all changes must go thro Congress. Did Congress pass a motion allowing the powers that be the authority to deny a home venue for what amounts to in reality minor altercations? I can see the DRA being called into action here. It's time the GAA grassroots took ownership of the association. We hear all about the value of volunteers and yet we have these autocrats sitting in their ivory towers using their powers to undo the work of volunteers.
The idea of fines is ludicrous. It wouldn't take a lot of ingenuity by a county board to obviate the effects of that one.
The CCC have made a strange call but nothing like a bit of reasoned debate.
Quote from: Samuel James on February 21, 2012, 10:30:01 PM
What authority does Croke Park have to impose these swinging penalties?
Well, if lads are going to be swinging at each other, what do they expect?
Croke Park has cracked down ever since the Tyrone and Kerry boys knocked F**k of each other in the junior semi.
Very harsh verdict meted out to Monaghan, not least the Monaghan GAA public who have now lost a home fixture but it seems the GAA are trying to implement a crack-down on what they perceive to be the appeals culture that exists within the organisation. As such it would seem to be having an immediate effect as Kildare (and possibly Cork and Armagh) are expected to withdraw from making any appeals on the fines they received for recent transgressions.
I can kind of understand where the GAA are coming from on this one but I still don't agree with them. If they wanted to take the hard line in this case then double the fine rather than have a county's support-base lose a game. Monaghan have been made the guinea pigs in this one purely because they were the first to launch an appeal in the post-Portlaoise GAA world we now live in.
Quote from: Hardy on February 22, 2012, 02:47:25 PM
Quote from: Samuel James on February 21, 2012, 10:30:01 PM
What authority does Croke Park have to impose these swinging penalties?
Well, if lads are going to be swinging at each other, what do they expect?
Swinges and roundaboutes.
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 21, 2012, 07:09:09 PM
What the hell is going on in HQ?
Monaghan's appeal against the €5,000 fine is 'successful'... it's replaced with a Forfeit of Home Advantage to the opposition in the next scheduled Allianz Football League home fixture. So instead of playing Louth in Clones, we have to travel to Louth! Where has the GAA pulled this one from? Can they just make up sanctions? Why should Louth benefit from this?
Monaghan are appealing this new sanction to the CAC.
Well that's a new one. Whatever about punishing Monaghan they shouldn't be handing an extra advantage to another team.
QuoteIf they wanted to take the hard line in this case then double the fine rather than have a county's support-base lose a game.
They may have chosen this case as a Louth venue is as handy for many Monaghan people as Clones and anyone can reasonably travel there. So fans are not excessively inconvenienced.
Armagh were now thinking about not appealing. Losing home advantage to Mayo would be expensive for fans and county board alike. Losing it to Down would be less expensive.
Quote from: eviemonkey on February 22, 2012, 02:55:57 PM
If they wanted to take the hard line in this case then double the fine rather than have a county's support-base lose a game.
Or maybe just not overturn an original sanction in the first place? The system is a joke, because practically everything is appealed and it seems that in the majority of cases, the sanction is changed/reduced. A successful appeal should be the exception rather than the rule if there was a proper process for the original judgement.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 22, 2012, 03:59:45 PM
Whatever about punishing Monaghan they shouldn't be handing an extra advantage to another team.
And in giving Louth an advantage, it may well disadvantage other teams who end up in the relegation battle.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 22, 2012, 04:07:08 PM
QuoteIf they wanted to take the hard line in this case then double the fine rather than have a county's support-base lose a game.
They may have chosen this case as a Louth venue is as handy for many Monaghan people as Clones and anyone can reasonably travel there. So fans are not excessively inconvenienced.
Armagh were now thinking about not appealing. Losing home advantage to Mayo would be expensive for fans and county board alike. Losing it to Down would be less expensive.
You just can't work on that basis though.
The point is that its not even this specific punishment which is unfair or stupid etc (altho it is), its that its representative of the upper echelons making the whole thing up as they go, which is disgraceful. There were complaints on here about clubs taking solicitors to disciplinary hearings, well, is it any f**king wonder they do - there needs to be something reminding these committees that they cant actually (or cerrtainly shouldnt be able to) do whatever they want.
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 22, 2012, 06:26:36 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 22, 2012, 03:59:45 PM
Whatever about punishing Monaghan they shouldn't be handing an extra advantage to another team.
And in giving Louth an advantage, it may well disadvantage other teams who end up in the relegation battle.
I was thinking that too.
It seems like it hasnt been thought out at all - just a made up punishment.
But, the fact that Armagh are reconsidering an appeal will make Croke Park think they have found a way of discouraging this Appeals formality for all suspensions/punishments. Everyone appeals, whether or not they are in the wrong....then decisions get overturned and everyone looks bad. I think in their on tiny wee minds Croke Park think discouraging Appeals will ensure there is less embarrassment for the authorities in the long run.
All that aside, both Kildare and Monaghan were in the wrong and have to expect sanctions. But I think the problem lies with the powers that be not knowing how to punish this type of "crime" and perhaps it's not anywhere in the rules. A motion for congress???
Did Monaghan appeal on the grounds that they were incorrectly punished or that they were indeed guilty but the punishment was too harsh?
The people in Croke park don't know the meaning of consistency, let alone the referee's!
Quote from: johnneycool on February 23, 2012, 12:03:51 PM
The people in Croke park don't know the meaning of consistency, let alone the referee's!
ACHTUNG ! ACHTUNG !!APOSTROPHE ALERT !!!!! :o
Quote from: Rossfan on February 23, 2012, 12:11:58 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 23, 2012, 12:03:51 PM
The people in Croke park don't know the meaning of consistency, let alone the referee's!
ACHTUNG ! ACHTUNG !!APOSTROPHE ALERT !!!!! :o
Sorry teacher, it won't happen again.
Second-tier teams voice concerns over Farney ruling
By Martin Breheny
Thursday February 23 2012
DIVISION 2 counties are keeping a watching brief on the GAA's decision to order Monaghan to forego home advantage for their Allianz League game against Louth next month in case it distorts the table.
There is concern among others in the group that the Central Hearings Committee's (CHC) decision to force Monaghan to travel to Louth could impact on them, either in the race for promotion or the battle against relegation.
Playing at home is regarded as a considerable advantage, one which Louth have been handed in unusual circumstances.
The fixtures plan seeks to give counties a four/three home-away split of their seven league games in alternate years and while it doesn't always work out due to movement between divisions, it's accepted by counties as being fair.
However, if the CHC decision to award Louth home advantage against Monaghan is upheld, it will give them an edge which they would not normally have enjoyed.
Indeed, if Louth beat Monaghan, other counties in the group may object later on if they finish just behind Peter Fitzpatrick's men.
One Division 2 county chairman said he was amazed by the CHC decision to order Monaghan to travel to Louth for their clash on March 11. The CHC made their decision after Monaghan refused to accept a Competitions Control Committee recommendation that they be fined €5,000, arising from incidents in last Sunday week's clash with Kildare in Clones.
"We're all keeping quiet on this for the moment because we don't know how the next few weeks will work out, but rest assured that if Louth beat Monaghan and some county loses out on promotion or is relegated after finishing behind Louth, they will be asking questions," he said.
"Taking home advantage away from Monaghan is one thing, but why should Louth benefit as a result? If Monaghan were to lose home advantage, the game should be played at a neutral venue."
Monaghan's appeal against the CHC decision will be heard next Wednesday.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/secondtier-teams-voice-concerns-over-farney-ruling-3029047.html
Cork also had an appeal in yesterday ref the fine. they lost that appeal and lost home advantage in the next League or championship game.
The farce continues... ::)
Monaghan ordered to forfeit home advantage again
17 March 2012
The fallout from the Allianz FL game involving Monaghan and Kildare shows no sign of abating, as Monaghan have once more been told they will lose home advantage for a league game.
The Farney County were originally charged with 'Disruptive conduct of their players' due to a melee in their home game against Kildare. They were hit with a proposed €5,000 fine by the CCCC which they decided to appeal.
The CHC changed the penalty to forfeiture of home advantage of their game against Louth. The Central Appeals Committee upheld that penalty but the DRA then overturned it, and told the CHC to process the original appeal once more.
That allowed Monaghan to host Louth in Clones last weekend, but the CHC met yesterday and imposed a new penalty on the county, that they must play their next scheduled home Allianz FL game at a neutral venue.
Monaghan were due to play Galway in Inniskeen on 25 March, but if the new penalty sticks, then the game will go ahead at a neutral venue.
Monaghan were notified of the reconvened CHC meeting but did not attend and neither did they avail of the facility offered to attend by way of telephone-conferencing.
They can once more appeal the decision through the Central Appeals Committee and if that fails, then go to the DRA once more.
http://www.hoganstand.com/monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=164482
I'd say we can expect another appeal. More making it up as they go along.
It's almost funny now.
It's like a child trying to get the last spake in an argument.
The more you tell them they're wrong, the more they insist they're right.
Quote from: orangeman on March 17, 2012, 10:27:04 PM
It's like a child trying to get the last spake in an argument.
The mor you tell them they're wrong, the more they insist they're right.
Or a wife.
I think it just would have been easier to pay the 5K at the start. Its all a mess now and becoming a joke.
Quote from: timmyot501 on March 17, 2012, 11:09:18 PM
I think it just would have been easier to pay the 5K at the start. Its all a mess now and becoming a joke.
They're making it up as they go along - they're talking about points deductions now -
Time to rewrite the rule book once and for all. End all this bullshit of appeals.
Monaghan have lodged another appeal - hearing tomorrow.
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 20, 2012, 09:43:56 PM
Monaghan have lodged another appeal - hearing tomorrow.
lets hope they lose the appeal to the CAC and the DRA, Monaghan don't want the GAA to do anything to then, Armagh & Kildare were fined and payed €5000, Cork played away to Laois.
Why don't they just pay the fine at the start, people want mean less appeals out, but Monaghan thick otherwise.
The DRA put them hearing up on the web; http://sportsdra.ie/dradecisions.htm; Monaghan accept the charge but will not accept the fine??
The DRA state in the ruling that the following actions may be issued;
a) Cautions, reprimands or written warnings that may remain on file as endorsements of disciplinary record;
b) Fines;
c) Match day restrictions of the kind used by the CHC in a decision of 22 January 2012 against Doire Treasc at this year's All Ireland Junior Club Championship final;
d) Next home match to be played behind "closed doors" i.e., attendance restricted to, for instance, immediate team personnel, those required for health and safety purposes at the venue and media;
e) Next home match to be played at a nominated or neutral venue selected by the CCCC;
f) Annulment of the result of a match and order that it be replayed at a neutral venue and/or behind closed doors at a venue selected by the CCCC;
g) Deduction of one league point; or
h) Combinations of the above including suspended sanctions may be considered. In the case of suspended sanction, the probationary period would typically be a minimum of one year and a maximum of five though it could be extended in exceptional circumstances. If a further offence is committed during the probationary period, the CHC, as a rule, would then order the original sanction to be executed. This may be added to the disciplinary sanction imposed for the second offence.
Ask yourself is it fair that Kildare (who the game was against) Armagh and Cork was fined or played away or just let Monaghan off with it.
Monaghan are fighting to stay in Div.2, but the Co Board and manger are willy fighting the GAA ruling. The GAA cannot keep them up.
If other teams don't want to challenge, that's up to them. And as far as I know, Kildare and Armagh had planned to appeal until they saw what happened to Monaghan, so let's not pretend they gladly accepted their penalty.
Quote from: cavanlad on March 20, 2012, 10:07:24 PM
Why don't they just pay the fine at the start, people want mean less appeals out, but Monaghan thick otherwise.
What does that even mean?
Quote from: cavanlad on March 20, 2012, 10:07:24 PM
The DRA put them hearing up on the web; http://sportsdra.ie/dradecisions.htm; Monaghan accept the charge but will not accept the fine??
The DRA state in the ruling that the following actions may be issued;
a) Cautions, reprimands or written warnings that may remain on file as endorsements of disciplinary record;
b) Fines;
c) Match day restrictions of the kind used by the CHC in a decision of 22 January 2012 against Doire Treasc at this year's All Ireland Junior Club Championship final;
d) Next home match to be played behind "closed doors" i.e., attendance restricted to, for instance, immediate team personnel, those required for health and safety purposes at the venue and media;
e) Next home match to be played at a nominated or neutral venue selected by the CCCC;
f) Annulment of the result of a match and order that it be replayed at a neutral venue and/or behind closed doors at a venue selected by the CCCC;
g) Deduction of one league point; or
h) Combinations of the above including suspended sanctions may be considered. In the case of suspended sanction, the probationary period would typically be a minimum of one year and a maximum of five though it could be extended in exceptional circumstances. If a further offence is committed during the probationary period, the CHC, as a rule, would then order the original sanction to be executed. This may be added to the disciplinary sanction imposed for the second offence.
You obviously read that link selectively. It's clear why Monaghan won the first appeal (and why Cork would also have won an appeal). It should also be clear as to why they accept the charge and not the penalty - you don't need to ask the question, the answer's in the report.
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 20, 2012, 09:43:56 PM
Monaghan have lodged another appeal - hearing tomorrow.
Monaghan's Allianz Football League Division 2 Football League match against Galway will go ahead at Pearse Park in Longford this Sunday.
The Monaghan County Board has confirmed they are not taking their case to the Disputes Resolution Authority following a ruling last night which upheld the decision to force the county to play their next home league fixture at a neutral venue.
The Central Appeals Committee upheld the ruling of the Central Hearings Committee to take this Sunday's match away from Iniskeen and move it to Pearse Park in Longford.
Earlier this month, Monaghan were successful in having a previous punishment of loss of home venue quashed by the Disputes Resolution Authority but the case was referred back to the CHC who decided to force Monaghan to play their next home league fixture at a neutral ground.
The punishment comes from the involvement of the Monaghan players in a scuffle in a match against Kildare in Clones last month.
Earlier this month, Monaghan were successful in having a previous punishment of loss of home venue quashed by the Disputes Resolution Authority but the case was referred back to the CHC who decided to force Monaghan to play their next home league fixture at a neutral ground.
The punishment comes from the involvement of the Monaghan players in a scuffle in a match against Kildare in Clones last month.
I don't know why the aftermath of this scuffle is in the thuggery thread.
Is this thread not the preserve of Tyrone related thuggery?
No thuggery moves around, now the focus is on Monaghan, I wonder is Big Dick covering it too.
As I understand it the reason Monaghan won at the DRA the first time was just because the CHC had overstepped their brief in deciding where the game should be played - that decision should have rested with the CCCC. So when the matter went back to CHC they imposed the loss of home advantage but left it to CCCC to fix the venue - I think it's fairer now because Galway still have to travel and don't gain home advantage either.
Seems to me that fines are payed by the County Board rather than the players. This punishment will affect the players directly, and they'll have to deal with the fall out from disgruntled supporters too - might make them think twice for the next 'scuffle'.
It's been a long saga, but hopefully that's the end of it.
Quote from: bhgmk on March 23, 2012, 09:47:37 AM
As I understand it the reason Monaghan won at the DRA the first time was just because the CHC had overstepped their brief in deciding where the game should be played - that decision should have rested with the CCCC. So when the matter went back to CHC they imposed the loss of home advantage but left it to CCCC to fix the venue - I think it's fairer now because Galway still have to travel and don't gain home advantage either.
Seems to me that fines are payed by the County Board rather than the players. This punishment will affect the players directly, and they'll have to deal with the fall out from disgruntled supporters too - might make them think twice for the next 'scuffle'.
It's been a long saga, but hopefully that's the end of it.
Well it was well worth Monaghan persuing the first decision - the CHC had no authority to impose an 'away' game.
I still think the current decision is problematic. There's no doubt that this 'neutral' venue gives Galway an advantage every bit as much as it disadvantages Monaghan. A third party benefits for no reason.
I also think that the ruling is disproportionate - the referee's report referred to the incident as a 'scuffle' and action was taken at the time to sanction individual players - 3 yellow cards and 1 red card seems sufficient punishment for a 'scuffle', in my opinion. But as this is a subjective argument, Monaghan were always less likely to win a further appeal.
I also think it would be nice to see a Monaghan season ticket holder take this up with the GAA - tickets were sold on the basis of 3 home league games, not 2. Although I assume there's 'small print' in there somewhere.
Quote from: ballinaman on February 09, 2012, 04:26:27 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 09, 2012, 04:17:18 PM
There's nothing anatomical in that photo which suggests it is photoshopped. His right arm isn't anywhere I wouldnt expect it to be after throwing a punch.
Declan O'Sullivan must have had his shoulder dislocated so during that punch. Showed it to the rest of the Physio's here and it's anatomically impossible to get your arm in that position after throwing a punch.....Michael Phelps maybe but not DOS. Good effort but wouldn't fool a trained eye to be honest.
Any word on how the physios think tomorrow will go?
Did we ever find out who photo-shopped that picture?
if declan o'sullivan is motm can we blame derrytresk?
Limerick senior football final today.
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/694332/
Terrible picture that one from Limerick -How come the gardai weren't involved like in Breffni?
Meanwhile, gardai in Cavan arrested a supporter during the opening round of the Ulster club senior championships after he verbally abused players leaving the pitch at half-time.
The match between Mullahoran (Cavan) and Errigal Ciaran (Tyrone) at Kingspan Breffni Park in Cavan was won by Errigal Ciaran, the team which the arrested man supported.
Stewards contacted gardai after the man continued to verbally abuse Mullahoran players. He was removed from the ground and arrested.
Quote from: Declan on October 22, 2012, 08:04:41 AM
Terrible picture that one from Limerick -How come the gardai weren't involved like in Breffni?
Meanwhile, gardai in Cavan arrested a supporter during the opening round of the Ulster club senior championships after he verbally abused players leaving the pitch at half-time.
The match between Mullahoran (Cavan) and Errigal Ciaran (Tyrone) at Kingspan Breffni Park in Cavan was won by Errigal Ciaran, the team which the arrested man supported.
Stewards contacted gardai after the man continued to verbally abuse Mullahoran players. He was removed from the ground and arrested.
Is it not obvious Declan, he was one of those mad midgets from the bushes around the Tyrone/Derry border and therefore he was fair game for the Chicalonies to give a hiding to and sent back across the border to the Black North with with his black **** of a tail between his legs! Or maybe I am wrong.
its said on the bbc twitter updates of teh game that the fella threw a 'barrell' at the players as they walked down the tunnell at half time! :-\
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on October 22, 2012, 08:53:13 AM
its said on the bbc twitter updates of teh game that the fella threw a 'barrell' at the players as they walked down the tunnell at half time! :-\
The barrell was thrown by the players at him. He was giving serious verbals at them and should not have been near them. He is known as a bit of a loose cannon. ::)
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 21, 2012, 09:27:44 PM
Limerick senior football final today.
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/694332/
Looks like father and son!!!
Quote from: EC Unique on October 22, 2012, 09:15:51 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on October 22, 2012, 08:53:13 AM
its said on the bbc twitter updates of teh game that the fella threw a 'barrell' at the players as they walked down the tunnell at half time! :-\
The barrell was thrown by the players at him. He was giving serious verbals at them and should not have been near them. He is known as a bit of a loose cannon. ::)
:-X
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 21, 2012, 09:27:44 PM
Limerick senior football final today.
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/694332/
Credit the photographer, that is some snap.
Quote from: Fíor Gael on October 22, 2012, 09:34:45 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 21, 2012, 09:27:44 PM
Limerick senior football final today.
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/694332/
Looks like father and son!!!
Thought same myself !
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on October 22, 2012, 08:53:13 AM
its said on the bbc twitter updates of teh game that the fella threw a 'barrell' at the players as they walked down the tunnell at half time! :-\
About time someone dealt with that fella.
He's been getting away with this sort of craic since the 80's.
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Quote from: Jinxy on October 22, 2012, 06:57:16 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on October 22, 2012, 08:53:13 AM
its said on the bbc twitter updates of teh game that the fella threw a 'barrell' at the players as they walked down the tunnell at half time! :-\
About time someone dealt with that fella.
He's been getting away with this sort of craic since the 80's.
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;D Looks like a Tyrone man too!
A Tyrone man after a shave.
In soccer that lad in england who pushed the sheffield goalkeeper got 3 months jail today. Same sentence should apply to that limerick supporter. Unacceptable behaviour.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20039318 Not as bad as Paraguay one fella fancies himself as Jackie Chan.
THE Limerick county board has imposed the maximum ban of 96 weeks on the supporter who entered the pitch during a county football final and confronted a player.
The incident happened seconds from the end of last Sunday's drawn football final when the Dromcollogher-Broadford fan confronted a Newcastle West player as he was leaving the field after being shown a second yellow card.
Martin Stokes, father of Drom-Broadford player, Jason, was given the maximum ban after the local CCC reviewed the referee's report and also studied pictures of the incident involving Newcastle West player James Kelly at the Gaelic Grounds.
Stokes has three days to lodge an appeal against the ban or he will not be allowed to attend the replay on Friday night.
QuoteStokes has three days to lodge an appeal against the ban or he will not be allowed to attend the replay on Friday night.
Jaysus that's Ireland in a nutshell - here, you're fucked out for a year, but whist if you send in an appeal you can still come on Friday night. Wow!
In fairness isn't that how suspensions work in the FA as well? If you don't appeal, your ban starts now, if you do, it starts after the appeal.
And the courts in most cases
Quote from: NAG1 on October 24, 2012, 11:30:33 AM
And the courts in most cases
Do the courts not put you on remand? Then if you are guilty it counts as time served. If you are innocent it's 'oops, sorry about that'.
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 24, 2012, 11:40:18 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on October 24, 2012, 11:30:33 AM
And the courts in most cases
Do the courts not put you on remand? Then if you are guilty it counts as time served. If you are innocent it's 'oops, sorry about that'.
I said in most cases, would only be the more serious ones that remand would be used!
So what's happening here then?
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A defendant is only placed on remand if there a risk of say reoffending or they granted bail until their trial. In this instance a sentence has been handed out and there is the option of appeal. In the courts a defendant can appeal their sentence and remain free until their appeal is heard. I'm not condoning thuggery although we should be careful about pointing fingers at others. Violence happens every weekend although in a lot of instances it goes unreported and no action is taken. People only seem to be outraged when they see violence in the form of video or photographic evidence and if JOE mentions it on whine line the whole episode will go viral in a very short time. Anyone who supporter or player who assaults a player or official on the field of play deserves all they get in terms of disciplinary sanctions. Again though it only takes one edjut to get on the radio and a for 20 second peice of footage to get released to the broadcast media before a witchunt starts against a club or players and the CCC fearing more public outrage hand out disproportionate suspensions and fines.
Just following on from this and reports that Páraic Duffy yesterday said the association had no issue with criminal prosecutions arising from assaults at games. this was a particularly painful one :
A YOUNG Gaelic footballer suffered horrific injuries during a minor championship match, a court has heard.
"I was screaming in pain and my shorts were covered in blood," said footballer Shane Ryan, whose scrotum was torn open.
Mr Ryan was giving evidence at Trim Circuit Court where a footballer from a rival team is on trial over the incident which occurred during the match in Co Meath three years ago.
Darren Morgan (21), of Elm Grove, Rockfield, Kells, Co Meath, pleaded not guilty to assault causing harm to Mr Ryan, of Garristown, Co Meath, at Skryne GAA grounds.
The defendant had been playing for Round Towers of Kells while the complainant had been playing for St Vincents, Curraha, in the semi final of the minor county championship.
Mr Ryan scored a goal and following this he was assaulted, the court heard.
"He came up and squared up to me as if he was going to headbutt me but instead he grabbed my testicles, squeezed and pulled. He laughed at me. I looked into my shorts and there was no scrotum there."
The court heard Mr Ryan spent a number of days in hospital.
Replying to the defence Mr Ryan said that he was in 'excruciating pain'.
The barrister said his client conceded that he had put his hands on Shane Ryan and caused him damage but had not meant to cause him injury.
Mr Morgan told the garda that a number of players had gone for the ball, but Shane Ryan won it. The defendant said he had been on his knees and was trying to stop Mr Ryan.
"I grabbed him by the balls, I meant to grab his shorts or jersey," he told the gardai.
The trial continues.
this has to stop.
it has crept into society in the past few years. a couple of decades ago, it was not the done thing a couple of decades ago to hit lads in the stones.
However instead of fist fighting or head butting etc, the initial target now seems to be the liathroidi.
Worse still this has started to happen om the field of play.
We used to wince when we would hear of rugby lads twisting ankles, grabbing crown jewels or biting ears etc in rucks - same goes for the soccer players and their off the ball kicking and on the ball 'nutcracker' cases a la Vinnie Jones on Gazza.
On the GAA fields it has come on. Trash talking, sc**bag hitting off the ball (a punch from behind was bad enough but some of the carp nowadays)....
thats not what we want in our games.
any offenders should get banned for life.
trash talking should get a red card - or a yellow at least.
We need to clean this up before it gets worse.
that is a bigger problem and what we shoul dbe targeting along with diving and feining injury instead of talking about changing too many hand passes in a game.
That poor young fella. Fecking disgrace. Unfortunately Kells have that reputation for scumbaggery in GAA.
Well not guilty is the verdict but the other thing that really annoys me about this is the club's approach -
Footballer cleared of causing horror injury to opponent on pitch
By Richard McCullen
Friday October 26 2012
A young footballer who grabbed another player's testicles tearing his scrotum has been cleared of assault.
Darren Morgan (21), of Elm Grove, Rockfield, Kells, Co Meath, had pleaded not guilty at Trim Circuit Court to assault causing harm to Shane Ryan (19), of Garristown, Co Meath, at Skryne GAA grounds, Skryne, Dunshaughlin, Co Meath, on September 25, 2009.
Mr Morgan had been playing full-back for Round Towers of Kells while Mr Ryan had been playing half-forward for St Vincents/Curraha in the semi-final of the minor county championship at the time.
Mr Ryan had told the court that early in the game Mr Morgan had come through a scuffle of players, grabbed him and knocked him to the ground.
He added that Mr Morgan later made a groin-grabbing gesture to the player who was marking him.
A short time later Shane Ryan scored a goal and following this he was assaulted by Mr Morgan, the court heard.
"He squared up to me as if he was going to headbutt me but instead he grabbed my testicles, squeezed and pulled.
"He laughed at me. I looked into my shorts and there was no scrotum there," Mr Ryan said. He added that he was screaming in pain and his shorts were covered in blood.
He said he was in such pain that he could not go down on the ground and left the pitch, adding that the referee would not stop the game as he was then off the field of play.
The court heard Mr Ryan was given first aid in the dressing room where he went into a panic attack before being taken by ambulance to Our Lady's Hospital in Navan.
He was released from hospital after a number of days.
Mr Ryan agreed with defence that he was taking a civil action against the defendant and the GAA but denied he was doing it for money.
"I'm doing it for justice," he said.
Mr Morgan told Garda Shane Dooley that while trying to stop Mr Ryan get the football he had grabbed the player by the testicles accidentally and had not meant to hurt him.
"I grabbed him by the balls, I meant to grab his shorts or jersey. I didn't mean to grab so hard," he said.
He denied making gestures at Shane Ryan or attempting to headbutt him or sneering at him.
He said that when the game was over the players had been advised to take off their jerseys as the father of the injured player was going mad looking for whoever had injured his son.
Asked by the defence how the media got hold of the story Gda Dooley said there were a lot of people at the match and they were talking about it but were not talking to the gardai.
A number of witnesses who had attended the match said they had seen Mr Ryan in distress on the pitch but had not seen how he had gotten injured.
Francis McNulty, who was co-manager of the St Vincents team, said it had been a very free-flowing competitive match.
"He was one of the best players," said Mr McNulty.
Following an attack by his team, the ball was cleared down the field and there was "a coming together of players", according to the witness.
"I was standing at the halfway line. Shane Ryan was on the pitch right in front of me in extreme distress.
"He said he could not go down on the ground and I took him off," said Mr McNulty.
After the conclusion of evidence, the jury of seven men and five women took two hours to return a not guilty verdict to a burst of applause from friends of Mr Morgan.
Neither Mr Morgan nor Mr Ryan would make any comment when they left the court yesterday.
Ugly scenes marred the provincial JHC final in Ballyhaunis between Calry St-Joseph's and Skehana after Mayo referee Kevin McGeeney was struck to the ground after a group of Skehana players swarmed around him following the final whistle.
Calry St-Joseph's will remember the game fondly as they were crowned Connacht champions thanks to a long range winner from Keith Raymond in the dying seconds that gave them the victory by 1-12 to 1-11. Raymond was a class apart on the day and underlined his credentials as Sligo's best hurler with a personal score of 1-9.
Connacht GAA chiefs will wait for the referee's report before launching an investigation but Skehana players are likely to find themselves in implicated after they swarmed around McGeeney as the game finished.
Match reports appear to implicate one Skehana player in particular who struck McGeeney but Connacht council secretary John Pretty has asserted that he will wait for the referee to submit his report before deciding on whether to launch an investigation.
He also warned the players involved that he would do everything possible to ensure that he correct outcome was reached and that he would not be found wanting in this matter.
I heard the ref fainted when he realized a sligo team has won a connacht hurling final
RICHARD MCCULLEN – 08 FEBRUARY 2013
A young Gaelic footballer has been convicted of assaulting an opponent whose jaw was broken in three places during a junior club match in Co Meath.
Kenneth Darby (23), of Ardnamullan, Enfield, had denied assaulting Brian Smith (28) at Clonard GAA grounds on August 28, 2011.
Darby was playing for Clonard GFC and Mr Smith was playing for St Mary's Donore at the time, Trim Circuit Court heard.
Mr Smith told the court that after 25 minutes of play he had been switched to mark the other team's number 13 – a player of medium build and with red hair – and within minutes he was struck on the left side of his jaw.
He said he was forced to leave the field as he was bleeding from the mouth and dazed.
His jaw had been pushed over and his teeth were not lining up, he said. He later required surgery at a hospital in Dublin.
Mr Smith told the court there had been "no pulling, dragging or verbal altercation" between the two players before the incident and he could not have been struck by anyone else as there had been no other players near them at the time.
Darby denied striking the other player.
"I have never raised my hand to anyone and never will," he said, adding that while he had probably been wearing the number 13 jersey on the day, he could have been wearing number 15. Cross-examined by prosecuting counsel Carl Hanahoe, he said he remembered his marker being switched but did not know who he was.
He said he had only become aware during the second half that one of the other team had been brought to hospital but did not know it was his marker.
Joe Reynolds, a water carrier for St Mary's, said he had seen the incident and there had been no other players in the vicinity at the time.
"Number 13 struck Brian Smith to the left side of the jaw. It was like a left hook or a punch," he said.
Marcus Morrison, the assistant manager of St Mary's, said he had seen the players running side by side, looked away for a second or two and when he looked back he saw Mr Smith bending down holding his jaw while Darby jogged away
Assault case coming up shortly too in relation to a broken jaw suffered in a Dublin Division 1 club game last year.
Quote from: Hound on February 08, 2013, 08:33:34 AM
Assault case coming up shortly too in relation to a broken jaw suffered in a Dublin Division 1 club game last year.
Prelim hearing has already been before the courts.
Would that be brother of Dub player and a former Longford county player?
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 08, 2013, 03:09:42 PM
Would that be brother of Dub player and a former Longford county player?
Thats the one
Quote from: Declan on February 08, 2013, 08:08:24 AM
RICHARD MCCULLEN – 08 FEBRUARY 2013
A young Gaelic footballer has been convicted of assaulting an opponent whose jaw was broken in three places during a junior club match in Co Meath.
Kenneth Darby (23), of Ardnamullan, Enfield, had denied assaulting Brian Smith (28) at Clonard GAA grounds on August 28, 2011.
Darby was playing for Clonard GFC and Mr Smith was playing for St Mary's Donore at the time, Trim Circuit Court heard.
Mr Smith told the court that after 25 minutes of play he had been switched to mark the other team's number 13 – a player of medium build and with red hair – and within minutes he was struck on the left side of his jaw.
He said he was forced to leave the field as he was bleeding from the mouth and dazed.
His jaw had been pushed over and his teeth were not lining up, he said. He later required surgery at a hospital in Dublin.
Mr Smith told the court there had been "no pulling, dragging or verbal altercation" between the two players before the incident and he could not have been struck by anyone else as there had been no other players near them at the time.
Darby denied striking the other player.
"I have never raised my hand to anyone and never will," he said, adding that while he had probably been wearing the number 13 jersey on the day, he could have been wearing number 15. Cross-examined by prosecuting counsel Carl Hanahoe, he said he remembered his marker being switched but did not know who he was.
He said he had only become aware during the second half that one of the other team had been brought to hospital but did not know it was his marker.
Joe Reynolds, a water carrier for St Mary's, said he had seen the incident and there had been no other players in the vicinity at the time.
"Number 13 struck Brian Smith to the left side of the jaw. It was like a left hook or a punch," he said.
Marcus Morrison, the assistant manager of St Mary's, said he had seen the players running side by side, looked away for a second or two and when he looked back he saw Mr Smith bending down holding his jaw while Darby jogged away
Just after reading a different article on your man Darby yesterday.
Yeah, I read the same article.