Does this sum up the running of camogie

[Zulu]

I'm a bit torn on this one, it 100% centre should never have been a coin toss in the first place, from a purely mathematical point of view a coin toss isn't unbiased so one team would have had an advantage.  That said all counties ratified these rules last year and as unfair as it might have been the rule should have been enforced, no point in changing it now that it actually has to be used.  Feel sorry for both teams (with the winner playing twice in 48 hours) and Wexford now, still not knowing who they will be playing on Monday

Agree with this. Drawing lots (wasn't a coin toss) was a daft way of deciding the issue but as David says this was ratified by all counties. Perhaps the real lesson here is for Camogie county boards to engage with the running of camogie at national level rather than sleep walking through it. I have sympathy for the players but the counties involved have some neck complaining about something they voted in, if only by not bothering their arses engaging in the process at all.

[johnneycool]

I'm a bit torn on this one, it 100% centre should never have been a coin toss in the first place, from a purely mathematical point of view a coin toss isn't unbiased so one team would have had an advantage.  That said all counties ratified these rules last year and as unfair as it might have been the rule should have been enforced, no point in changing it now that it actually has to be used.  Feel sorry for both teams (with the winner playing twice in 48 hours) and Wexford now, still not knowing who they will be playing on Monday

Agree with this. Drawing lots (wasn't a coin toss) was a daft way of deciding the issue but as David says this was ratified by all counties. Perhaps the real lesson here is for Camogie county boards to engage with the running of camogie at national level rather than sleep walking through it. I have sympathy for the players but the counties involved have some neck complaining about something they voted in, if only by not bothering their arses engaging in the process at all.

I don't think it was ratified by all Camogie CB's at all, it was ratified by the Camogie Ard Comhairle.
To say the rules were there for all to see on their website since November 2014 doesn't necessarily mean that all County camogie boards actually knew about it.

[johnneycool]

So many clueless comments on social media today, giving about the "GAA discriminating against women."

It's very unlike people on social media to be clueless about things.

Not just social media it seems, the Independent have an article on it today with Páraic Duffy's boat race at the head of it, SFA to do with Páraic.

[macdanger2]

I'm a bit torn on this one, it 100% centre should never have been a coin toss in the first place, from a purely mathematical point of view a coin toss isn't unbiased so one team would have had an advantage.  That said all counties ratified these rules last year and as unfair as it might have been the rule should have been enforced, no point in changing it now that it actually has to be used.  Feel sorry for both teams (with the winner playing twice in 48 hours) and Wexford now, still not knowing who they will be playing on Monday

Agree with this. Drawing lots (wasn't a coin toss) was a daft way of deciding the issue but as David says this was ratified by all counties. Perhaps the real lesson here is for Camogie county boards to engage with the running of camogie at national level rather than sleep walking through it. I have sympathy for the players but the counties involved have some neck complaining about something they voted in, if only by not bothering their arses engaging in the process at all.

I don't think it was ratified by all Camogie CB's at all, it was ratified by the Camogie Ard Comhairle.
To say the rules were there for all to see on their website since November 2014 doesn't necessarily mean that all County camogie boards actually knew about it.

A lady from the Camogie Association was on R1 earlier in the week and said that the rule change (before this year, there would have been a play-off but to better accommodate club games, they wanted to condense the season and so did away with them) was proposed by the Ard Comhairle and then circulated for review to all CBs, only one of whom reverted with any comments (she didn't say what county or what the comment was) before being accepted (not sure what the voting process is)

If what she's saying is correct, then it seems like it's the various county boards who are in the wrong rather than the Ard Comhairle

[Soup an Samajiz]

somebody literally had to write the line though "in the case of a draw sure we'll flick a coin..." ...

ach c'mere like, and a week ago this was the same group complainin about not bein taken more seriously and deserving equal recognition/prize/exposure ... well they've sure got the exposure now over this hames of an incident, making a joke of the sport.

[Jinxy]

You know when people say things like, "This would never happen if a woman was running the country/banks etc."?
Turns out women are just as capable of making an utter balls of things as men are.

[rosnarun]

I'm a bit torn on this one, it 100% centre should never have been a coin toss in the first place, from a purely mathematical point of view a coin toss isn't unbiased so one team would have had an advantage.  That said all counties ratified these rules last year and as unfair as it might have been the rule should have been enforced, no point in changing it now that it actually has to be used.  Feel sorry for both teams (with the winner playing twice in 48 hours) and Wexford now, still not knowing who they will be playing on Monday

Agree with this. Drawing lots (wasn't a coin toss) was a daft way of deciding the issue but as David says this was ratified by all counties. Perhaps the real lesson here is for Camogie county boards to engage with the running of camogie at national level rather than sleep walking through it. I have sympathy for the players but the counties involved have some neck complaining about something they voted in, if only by not bothering their arses engaging in the process at all.

I don't think it was ratified by all Camogie CB's at all, it was ratified by the Camogie Ard Comhairle.
To say the rules were there for all to see on their website since November 2014 doesn't necessarily mean that all County camogie boards actually knew about it.

A lady from the Camogie Association was on R1 earlier in the week and said that the rule change (before this year, there would have been a play-off but to better accommodate club games, they wanted to condense the season and so did away with them) was proposed by the Ard Comhairle and then circulated for review to all CBs, only one of whom reverted with any comments (she didn't say what county or what the comment was) before being accepted (not sure what the voting process is)

If what she's saying is correct, then it seems like it's the various county boards who are in the wrong rather than the Ard Comhairle

the camogie board women was making one valid point is that people should know what they are voting for ,
Its not an excuse to comeback and say 'I wasn't paying attention to that bit' and try and lump the blame on the peole you gave Authority  to implement the rules you Voted for ...

any way if its level art the end of extra time saturday , will LOTS still be drawn?

[cockahoop]

You know when people say things like, "This would never happen if a woman was running the country/banks etc."?
Turns out women are just as capable of making an utter balls of things as men are.

and guess what? us men are the problem according to alot of women,apparently this wouldnt happen in mens gaa!!! the ignorance of some women on this topic is staggering and they have a really big chip on there shoulder... build a f**king bridge and get over it... errrr

[Syferus]

You know when people say things like, "This would never happen if a woman was running the country/banks etc."?
Turns out women are just as capable of making an utter balls of things as men are.

and guess what? us men are the problem according to alot of women,apparently this wouldnt happen in mens gaa!!! the ignorance of some women on this topic is staggering and they have a really big chip on there shoulder... build a f**king bridge and get over it... errrr

In fairness if you'd been oppressed for 8000 years you'd have a fair chip on your shoulder too.

We've got enough of a chip on our shoulder about being oppressed by England for 800 sodding years..

[cockahoop]

You know when people say things like, "This would never happen if a woman was running the country/banks etc."?
Turns out women are just as capable of making an utter balls of things as men are.

and guess what? us men are the problem according to alot of women,apparently this wouldnt happen in mens gaa!!! the ignorance of some women on this topic is staggering and they have a really big chip on there shoulder... build a f**king bridge and get over it... errrr

In fairness if you'd been oppressed for 8000 years you'd have a fair chip on your shoulder too.

We've got enough of a chip on our shoulder about being oppressed by England for 800 sodding years..

aye i know what your saying...if it wasnt for that b**tard cromwell our club would have won the championship by now!!!

[Croí na hÉireann]

Does anybody know why points' difference, score difference or a play-off was not used and whether counties were aware they wouldn't be used at the start of the competition?

From memory of the interview on newstalk:

Head to head was the first differentiator but that game finished in a draw.
Next concerned who scored the most goals in that drawn match.
Next (bizarrely) who scored the most points in that drawn match. (Sure if there was no difference in goals scored and the match was drawn the points scored would be the same)
Then coin toss.

[rosnarun]

not saying they should APE soccer or anything but

here are the WC Tie breakers

1. Greatest number of points obtained in all group matches.
2. Goal difference in all group matches.
3. Greatest number of goals scored in all group matches.
4. Greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned.
5. Goal difference resulting from the group matches between the teams concerned.
6. Greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the teams concerned.
7. Drawing of lots by the FIFA Organizing Committee.

OR the Egg chasers use

The winner of the match between the two teams (would not apply if more than two teams were tied);
Difference between points scored for and points scored against in all pool matches;
Difference between tries scored for and tries scored against in all pool matches;
Points scored in all pool matches;
Most tries scored in all pool matches;
Official IRB World Rankings ( is this any fairer seeing as the point is to decide who is best)

[The Hill is Blue]

Well done Clare and Dublin for standing your ground. Even after today's playoff there was very little between you both. Dublin 1-11 Clare 0-12.

http://www.the42.ie/dublin-clare-camogie-all-ireland-play-off-2248439-Aug2015/

[Syferus]

Well done Clare and Dublin for standing your ground. Even after today's playoff there was very little between you both. Dublin 1-11 Clare 0-12.

http://www.the42.ie/dublin-clare-camogie-all-ireland-play-off-2248439-Aug2015/

Dublin are fûcked having to play two days later though. Ironically a coin toss would have given the winners a far better chance of not being one and done.

[macdanger2]

This seems like a strange appeal, particularly on the grounds of the ET, is it not normally "at least X minutes....". Hard to see the appeal being upheld

Wexford appeal result of Camogie semi-final
Wexford have launched an appeal against the result of their All-Ireland Camogie Senior Championship semi-final defeat to Galway last weekend.

The Wexford Camogie board confirmed to RTÉ Sport that it was appealing on two grounds: the failure to award a legitimate point to their side in the first half and referee Cathal Egan's decision to play two and a half minutes more than the four minutes of additional time signalled at the end of the game.

Niamh McGrath scored a 45 in the seventh minute of additional time to secure a 1-14 to 2-10 victory for Galway that saw them book their place in the All-Ireland final against Cork.

Wexford believe video evidence shows a 45 that the umpires awarded was incorrectly ruled wide by the referee (rule 41.5) and that he played the wrong amount of time (rule 41.6).