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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2790 on: April 18, 2021, 02:32:31 PM »
We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.

Dublin won every other Leinster title during those two decades ffs.

It's a mark of the lack of perspective many Dubs have that they would consider the teams that produced that sort of return as 'bad'.

Perhaps also explains why many of those same Dubs don't seem to understand the problem with 15/16.

Dubs won Leinster in 1995 and didn't win it again until 2002.  It was only really from 2006 they started dominating in Leinster and even then they were getting battered in All Ireland quarter finals and/semi finals.

While that dubs side of the late noughties was a decent side, but no world beaters the rest of Leinster was pretty much rubbish. I'm not sure what the reasons are for that, but I'm sure someone can find a way to blame the dubs
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Dublin weren’t world beaters between say, 95’ and 2005  but that’s because standards were levelling out throughout the country- it wasn’t that they were bad, it was more a case of an increasing number of teams being, more or less, of an equal standard.
Take the 11 years, 1995-2005, for instance. You had a total of 6 AI winners and all provinces were represented. Dublin and Meath from Leinster, Galway from Connacht, Tyrone and Armagh from Ulster and Kerry from Munster.
There were also 6 Leinster provincial champions, Dublin (3) Meath (3), Kildare, (2) Offaly, (1) Laois, (1) and Westmeath. (1)
There never was a period before when the standard throughout the land was so evenly spread. The standard of football was  exceptionally high. You could reel off a list of games that were top notch.
 
Also, and perhaps more  importantly, there was an improvement in standards throughout the country. Both Sligo and Longford were desperately unlucky to lose games against Kerry.
Fermanagh, Wexford and Wicklow began to punch well above their weight. All in all,, the GAA seemed to be having its most successful period ever.
Then along came 2005 and the rest is history. The names of John Bailey, Bertie Ahern and the National Sports Council may spring to mind, but that’s probably just coincidence of course!
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2791 on: April 18, 2021, 04:11:22 PM »
We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.

Dublin won every other Leinster title during those two decades ffs.

It's a mark of the lack of perspective many Dubs have that they would consider the teams that produced that sort of return as 'bad'.

Perhaps also explains why many of those same Dubs don't seem to understand the problem with 15/16.

Dubs won Leinster in 1995 and didn't win it again until 2002.  It was only really from 2006 they started dominating in Leinster and even then they were getting battered in All Ireland quarter finals and/semi finals.

While that dubs side of the late noughties was a decent side, but no world beaters the rest of Leinster was pretty much rubbish. I'm not sure what the reasons are for that, but I'm sure someone can find a way to blame the dubs
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Dublin weren’t world beaters between say, 95’ and 2005  but that’s because standards were levelling out throughout the country- it wasn’t that they were bad, it was more a case of an increasing number of teams being, more or less, of an equal standard.
Take the 11 years, 1995-2005, for instance. You had a total of 6 AI winners and all provinces were represented. Dublin and Meath from Leinster, Galway from Connacht, Tyrone and Armagh from Ulster and Kerry from Munster.
There were also 6 Leinster provincial champions, Dublin (3) Meath (3), Kildare, (2) Offaly, (1) Laois, (1) and Westmeath. (1)
There never was a period before when the standard throughout the land was so evenly spread. The standard of football was  exceptionally high. You could reel off a list of games that were top notch.
 
Also, and perhaps more  importantly, there was an improvement in standards throughout the country. Both Sligo and Longford were desperately unlucky to lose games against Kerry.
Fermanagh, Wexford and Wicklow began to punch well above their weight. All in all,, the GAA seemed to be having its most successful period ever.
Then along came 2005 and the rest is history. The names of John Bailey, Bertie Ahern and the National Sports Council may spring to mind, but that’s probably just coincidence of course!

That's brilliant. You somehow manage to blame Dublin for  every county in the country (not just Leinster) struggling.

You just need to ignore the fact the likes of Fermanagh, Sligo have no chance these days to win a provincial title (through no fault of Dublin) to have a point, or is that just a coincidence

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2792 on: April 18, 2021, 04:37:32 PM »
With all the money being funneled to Dublin, it has much more of an negative effect on the smaller counties who struggle to raise the amount of finance needed. When the GAA even out the spread of the financial support to all counties equally then we can debate the merits that the funding has on the improvements on individual counties. Maybe it is a coincidence that Dublin dominance started when the financial assistant was ramped up but if the money was distributed equally we would be in a better position to assess the benefits.

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« Reply #2793 on: April 18, 2021, 06:16:37 PM »
With all the money being funneled to Dublin, it has much more of an negative effect on the smaller counties who struggle to raise the amount of finance needed. When the GAA even out the spread of the financial support to all counties equally then we can debate the merits that the funding has on the improvements on individual counties. Maybe it is a coincidence that Dublin dominance started when the financial assistant was ramped up but if the money was distributed equally we would be in a better position to assess the benefits.

Team/player preparation is so professional now the gap between the bigger and smaller counties has grown significantly to the stage were you rarely see shocks these days. The days when the likes of Sligo, Leitrim, Limerick etc were able to compete with the likes of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry are long gone.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2794 on: April 18, 2021, 06:37:00 PM »
We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.

Dublin won every other Leinster title during those two decades ffs.

It's a mark of the lack of perspective many Dubs have that they would consider the teams that produced that sort of return as 'bad'.

Perhaps also explains why many of those same Dubs don't seem to understand the problem with 15/16.

Dubs won Leinster in 1995 and didn't win it again until 2002.  It was only really from 2006 they started dominating in Leinster and even then they were getting battered in All Ireland quarter finals and/semi finals.

While that dubs side of the late noughties was a decent side, but no world beaters the rest of Leinster was pretty much rubbish. I'm not sure what the reasons are for that, but I'm sure someone can find a way to blame the dubs
Just saw this now...
Dublin weren’t world beaters between say, 95’ and 2005  but that’s because standards were levelling out throughout the country- it wasn’t that they were bad, it was more a case of an increasing number of teams being, more or less, of an equal standard.
Take the 11 years, 1995-2005, for instance. You had a total of 6 AI winners and all provinces were represented. Dublin and Meath from Leinster, Galway from Connacht, Tyrone and Armagh from Ulster and Kerry from Munster.
There were also 6 Leinster provincial champions, Dublin (3) Meath (3), Kildare, (2) Offaly, (1) Laois, (1) and Westmeath. (1)
There never was a period before when the standard throughout the land was so evenly spread. The standard of football was  exceptionally high. You could reel off a list of games that were top notch.
 
Also, and perhaps more  importantly, there was an improvement in standards throughout the country. Both Sligo and Longford were desperately unlucky to lose games against Kerry.
Fermanagh, Wexford and Wicklow began to punch well above their weight. All in all,, the GAA seemed to be having its most successful period ever.
Then along came 2005 and the rest is history. The names of John Bailey, Bertie Ahern and the National Sports Council may spring to mind, but that’s probably just coincidence of course!

That's brilliant. You somehow manage to blame Dublin for  every county in the country (not just Leinster) struggling.

You just need to ignore the fact the likes of Fermanagh, Sligo have no chance these days to win a provincial title (through no fault of Dublin) to have a point, or is that just a coincidence
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Where did I mention Dublin?
Is what a coincidence?
I have given you the bare facts, stats don't liie.
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2795 on: April 18, 2021, 06:40:52 PM »
With all the money being funneled to Dublin, it has much more of an negative effect on the smaller counties who struggle to raise the amount of finance needed. When the GAA even out the spread of the financial support to all counties equally then we can debate the merits that the funding has on the improvements on individual counties. Maybe it is a coincidence that Dublin dominance started when the financial assistant was ramped up but if the money was distributed equally we would be in a better position to assess the benefits.
That's a pretty reasonable post and I folllow what you say.
But the "if" in your last sentance is all important.
It's a classic case of, well, it wasn't so it isn't.
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2796 on: April 18, 2021, 06:42:23 PM »
With all the money being funneled to Dublin, it has much more of an negative effect on the smaller counties who struggle to raise the amount of finance needed. When the GAA even out the spread of the financial support to all counties equally then we can debate the merits that the funding has on the improvements on individual counties. Maybe it is a coincidence that Dublin dominance started when the financial assistant was ramped up but if the money was distributed equally we would be in a better position to assess the benefits.

Team/player preparation is so professional now the gap between the bigger and smaller counties has grown significantly to the stage were you rarely see shocks these days. The days when the likes of Sligo, Leitrim, Limerick etc were able to compete with the likes of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry are long gone.
I can't find fault with any of that.
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2797 on: April 18, 2021, 10:01:53 PM »
With all the money being funneled to Dublin, it has much more of an negative effect on the smaller counties who struggle to raise the amount of finance needed. When the GAA even out the spread of the financial support to all counties equally then we can debate the merits that the funding has on the improvements on individual counties. Maybe it is a coincidence that Dublin dominance started when the financial assistant was ramped up but if the money was distributed equally we would be in a better position to assess the benefits.

Team/player preparation is so professional now the gap between the bigger and smaller counties has grown significantly to the stage were you rarely see shocks these days. The days when the likes of Sligo, Leitrim, Limerick etc were able to compete with the likes of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry are long gone.

That time never existed.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2798 on: April 18, 2021, 11:05:50 PM »
With all the money being funneled to Dublin, it has much more of an negative effect on the smaller counties who struggle to raise the amount of finance needed. When the GAA even out the spread of the financial support to all counties equally then we can debate the merits that the funding has on the improvements on individual counties. Maybe it is a coincidence that Dublin dominance started when the financial assistant was ramped up but if the money was distributed equally we would be in a better position to assess the benefits.

Team/player preparation is so professional now the gap between the bigger and smaller counties has grown significantly to the stage were you rarely see shocks these days. The days when the likes of Sligo, Leitrim, Limerick etc were able to compete with the likes of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry are long gone.

A weak attempt at conflating Dublin's recent absolute dominance with the well established standing of the other two. Only one gap has really grown - the one that has lead to Dublin winning every one of the last six All Irelands and all but one of about the last 600 Leinster titles.

By contrast, Mayo have won just one of the last five Connacht titles and are regularly overturned by half of their provincial rivals. It's also been a lifetime since they won an AI. And Kerry aren't even the current Munster champions. That's Tipperary, who were pushed most on the way to that title by Limerick.

And plenty of shocks still happen outside of the sphere of Dublin repression. Tipperary's Munster title; Cavan's Ulster title; Fermanagh beating Monaghan; Kildare beating Mayo - all shocks involving big guns in the last two or three seasons.

There is a healthy and exciting intercounty championship waiting for us if one big problem is tackled. We all know the solution, but it seems that we'll limp along for a lock of years yet before there's the courage and initiative to see it happen.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2799 on: April 19, 2021, 12:02:01 AM »
Spot on Ed.
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« Reply #2800 on: April 19, 2021, 04:34:19 PM »
With all the money being funneled to Dublin, it has much more of an negative effect on the smaller counties who struggle to raise the amount of finance needed. When the GAA even out the spread of the financial support to all counties equally then we can debate the merits that the funding has on the improvements on individual counties. Maybe it is a coincidence that Dublin dominance started when the financial assistant was ramped up but if the money was distributed equally we would be in a better position to assess the benefits.

Team/player preparation is so professional now the gap between the bigger and smaller counties has grown significantly to the stage were you rarely see shocks these days. The days when the likes of Sligo, Leitrim, Limerick etc were able to compete with the likes of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry are long gone.

A weak attempt at conflating Dublin's recent absolute dominance with the well established standing of the other two. Only one gap has really grown - the one that has lead to Dublin winning every one of the last six All Irelands and all but one of about the last 600 Leinster titles.

By contrast, Mayo have won just one of the last five Connacht titles and are regularly overturned by half of their provincial rivals. It's also been a lifetime since they won an AI. And Kerry aren't even the current Munster champions. That's Tipperary, who were pushed most on the way to that title by Limerick.

And plenty of shocks still happen outside of the sphere of Dublin repression. Tipperary's Munster title; Cavan's Ulster title; Fermanagh beating Monaghan; Kildare beating Mayo - all shocks involving big guns in the last two or three seasons.

There is a healthy and exciting intercounty championship waiting for us if one big problem is tackled. We all know the solution, but it seems that we'll limp along for a lock of years yet before there's the courage and initiative to see it happen.

Tipp winning Munster for the first time in 85 years somehow makes the munster championship exciting? Clare were the last team outside of Cork/Kerry to win it before them and that was way back in 1992. The championship based on the provincial championship is a dead duck. at least inhurling they've copped this and made it far more interesting by basing the championship on a league basis.

With the disruptions caused by covid the last 2 seasons the GAA had the perfect opportunity to change championship structures on a trial basis. Instead they wasted the opportunity by continuing with the same out of date format

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2801 on: April 19, 2021, 05:10:51 PM »
The only provincials worth looking at will be hurling and then the Ulster football. Dublin v Mayo. Tyrone or Donegal v Kerry in other semi. With no back door Mayo will be focused and hammer Galway or Roscommon. Outside of Mayo the standard of football in connacht is very poor.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2802 on: April 19, 2021, 05:18:21 PM »
If an expert like you says so ......
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« Reply #2803 on: April 29, 2021, 10:36:08 AM »
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