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Title: Division one 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on December 14, 2020, 07:59:23 PM
I see Star Donaghy is joining the Armagh management team.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on December 14, 2020, 10:29:14 PM
That's scraping the apple barrel with the least excuse to draw attention to Armagh being in Div 1 in 2021.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on December 15, 2020, 11:41:52 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 14, 2020, 07:59:23 PM
I see Star Donaghy is joining the Armagh management team.

Just a mudguard for McGeeney.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: mayoman dan on December 16, 2020, 02:16:27 PM
Will be strange not having the All ireland champions in division 1😂😂
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Itchy on December 16, 2020, 02:54:28 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on December 16, 2020, 02:16:27 PM
Will be strange not having the All ireland champions in division 1😂😂

Not to mention 2 of the provincial winners in Div 3.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: illdecide on December 16, 2020, 06:25:45 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 14, 2020, 07:59:23 PM
I see Star Donaghy is joining the Armagh management team.

No one seen that coming...Some mileage claims there

He can claim mileage and stay with Geezer :)
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on January 04, 2021, 11:43:50 AM
Ross McQuillan returning to Armagh from Essendon?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Angelo on January 04, 2021, 11:56:37 AM
McQuillan could give Armagh some badly needed pace around the middle.

Any chance they will try him at wingback?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 04, 2021, 01:58:18 PM
Division 1 - North

Donegal
Tyrone
Monaghan
Armagh

Division 1 - South

Kerry
Dublin
Galway
Roscommon
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: giveballaghback on January 04, 2021, 03:28:46 PM
Grand handy group for us then 8)
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Fuzzman on January 10, 2021, 09:06:15 AM
Hopefully all players at least will have their vaccinations by then. Do North play South in the semis at end of March? Covid permitting
Feb
27/28: Allianz Football and Hurling League, Round 1.

March
6/7: Allianz Football and Hurling League, Round 2.

13/14: Allianz Football and Hurling League, Round 3.

20/21:
Minor championship commences.

27/28: Allianz Football League semi-finals and relegation semi-finals.


U20 FC provincial first round.

April
3/4: Allianz Football League finals.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Angelo on January 10, 2021, 10:13:13 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 10, 2021, 09:06:15 AM
Hopefully all players at least will have their vaccinations by then. Do North play South in the semis at end of March? Covid permitting
Feb
27/28: Allianz Football and Hurling League, Round 1.

March
6/7: Allianz Football and Hurling League, Round 2.

13/14: Allianz Football and Hurling League, Round 3.

20/21:
Minor championship commences.

27/28: Allianz Football League semi-finals and relegation semi-finals.


U20 FC provincial first round.

April
3/4: Allianz Football League finals.

I believe that's the case 4 games min for each county with relegation playoffs and semi finals, 5 max if they qualify for the final.

Think we are the only county with a new management team on Div 1 this year so the league will be very important for them to get things in order.

It's something that is probably overlooked but there is a very limited time this year for new managers to get a guage for their team

In a common season Tyrone would normally have been training for close to 6 months and played 12 competitive games before Championship football comes around.

This year it will likely be 2 and a bit months and 4/5 competitive games.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Cunny Funt on January 12, 2021, 03:50:24 PM
No leagues this year?

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/calls-grow-for-national-league-to-be-scrapped-with-gaa-facing-loss-of-17m-39958651.html
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on January 13, 2021, 09:51:29 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 12, 2021, 03:50:24 PM
No leagues this year?

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/calls-grow-for-national-league-to-be-scrapped-with-gaa-facing-loss-of-17m-39958651.html
As it stands now the situation is intolerable  but I'd expect the current situation in the South re  infections to drop radically to pre spike levels over the next week or two, fast up and fast down. We'll see how it goes.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: South Laois man on January 14, 2021, 12:19:09 AM
It's hard to see the leagues goin ahead. With the UK varient taking over and it been more transmissible cases would just shoot up again if things open up again. Wouldn't be surprised if we're in level 5 till end of March when all over 70s are vaccinated.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on January 14, 2021, 12:12:17 PM
It's possible that there are many more people out there untested and who would test positive.

If the championship (with or without asterix) is to go ahead at some time later in the year, then the league would precede it as a warm up  of sorts.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on January 18, 2021, 05:20:43 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 13, 2021, 09:51:29 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 12, 2021, 03:50:24 PM
No leagues this year?

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/calls-grow-for-national-league-to-be-scrapped-with-gaa-facing-loss-of-17m-39958651.html
As it stands now the situation is intolerable  but I'd expect the current situation in the South re  infections to drop radically to pre spike levels over the next week or two, fast up and fast down. We'll see how it goes.
Nothing will happen until winter is over. Covid is relentless at lower temperatures.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on January 19, 2021, 01:20:13 PM
May be changes yet to 2021 plans....

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0119/1190677-gaa-to-provide-clarity-on-2021-season-by-end-of-janaury/
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on January 19, 2021, 02:39:58 PM
Is there much hope for clubs?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on January 19, 2021, 04:04:31 PM
Probably not till we hit Level 2 in the 26 anyway.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on January 25, 2021, 01:19:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 19, 2021, 04:04:31 PM
Probably not till we hit Level 2 in the 26 anyway.
It looks like the pandemic will continue well into next year if not beyond. It's hard to see the League happening this year.
Too many matches compared to a knockout all Ireland
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: South Laois man on January 25, 2021, 01:35:43 PM
Seafoid, why would you say it will continue into next year and beyond? Surely once 70% of the population is vaccinated things will go back to normal. Covid might never go away but will probably become endemic through a combination of vaccination and natural immunity.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on January 25, 2021, 01:42:51 PM
Quote from: South Laois man on January 25, 2021, 01:35:43 PM
Seafoid, why would you say it will continue into next year and beyond? Surely once 70% of the population is vaccinated things will go back to normal. Covid might never go away but will probably become endemic through a combination of vaccination and natural immunity.


   Healthcare companies are saying it

   https://www.ft.com/content/1c7266b1-1fad-458e-8585-12dc3164fdce

   "in the virtual world of the conference, the healthcare industry was preparing for an enduring war on Covid. "We do believe more so than we did, let's say four to six months ago, that there will be a level of testing that will continue certainly through FY '22," said Tom Polen, chief executive of Becton Dickinson, the New Jersey-based manufacturer of syringes and tests. 

Another two years of this? If anything, that is optimistic, according to Stephen Tang, chief executive of OraSure Technologies, a rival diagnostics company. "The need to have tests available to continue to test for Covid-19 will last well beyond 2022, certainly in the sophisticated economies," said Mr Tang. "And then for the low- and middle-income countries, perhaps well into 2027 or 2030, unfortunately. But I think that's the state of play for this virus and the world populations.""
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 25, 2021, 07:21:58 PM
Quote from: South Laois man on January 25, 2021, 01:35:43 PM
Seafoid, why would you say it will continue into next year and beyond? Surely once 70% of the population is vaccinated things will go back to normal. Covid might never go away but will probably become endemic through a combination of vaccination and natural immunity.

He thinks speculation and guesses on what might happen are facts.

On the topic late March at the earliest the likely start date for the NFL now.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on January 26, 2021, 11:33:08 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 25, 2021, 07:21:58 PM
Quote from: South Laois man on January 25, 2021, 01:35:43 PM
Seafoid, why would you say it will continue into next year and beyond? Surely once 70% of the population is vaccinated things will go back to normal. Covid might never go away but will probably become endemic through a combination of vaccination and natural immunity.

He thinks speculation and guesses on what might happen are facts.

On the topic late March at the earliest the likely start date for the NFL now.
Why don't we sit back and follow it and see who is right ?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on January 26, 2021, 12:12:48 PM
https://www.ft.com/content/17c44c96-39f2-4ada-badd-d65815b0a521

One source of gloom emerged at a briefing last week. Academic researchers warned vaccination alone might not induce sufficient herd immunity to stamp out the virus. An unhappy combination of imperfect vaccine efficacy, suboptimal take-up and super-infectious variants could derail attempts to reach the herd immunity threshold, when R falls below one and the virus begins to dissipate. Modelling from the University of East Anglia corroborates this unpalatable possibility.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on January 26, 2021, 12:25:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 25, 2021, 07:21:58 PM


On the topic late March at the earliest the likely start date for the NFL now.
I presume the GAA will stick with no collective training till 5th March so likely weekend 27/28 March start date if the NFL/NHL go ahead at all. They well might not if no Government €€€€€s
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on January 26, 2021, 01:09:18 PM
Last year I think 5 rounds were played before the stoppage in March. Nothing was played again until the summer.
April and May are still months where Covid is strong.
I can't see anything happening this April or May for this reason.

After that you are in to Championship or Club time. There will probably be another knockout championship setup with
provincials and no qualifiers in order to reduce the number of matches.

This will continue until some sort of smacht is put on Covid.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: DuffleKing on January 26, 2021, 02:06:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2021, 12:25:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 25, 2021, 07:21:58 PM


On the topic late March at the earliest the likely start date for the NFL now.
I presume the GAA will stick with no collective training till 5th March so likely weekend 27/28 March start date if the NFL/NHL go ahead at all. They well might not if no Government €€€€€s

Intercounty activity is not bound by public health restrictions of course. As elite sport, the GAA could - and likely will - green light the return to training in February.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Cunny Funt on January 26, 2021, 03:10:40 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 26, 2021, 02:06:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2021, 12:25:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 25, 2021, 07:21:58 PM


On the topic late March at the earliest the likely start date for the NFL now.
I presume the GAA will stick with no collective training till 5th March so likely weekend 27/28 March start date if the NFL/NHL go ahead at all. They well might not if no Government €€€€€s

Intercounty activity is not bound by public health restrictions of course. As elite sport, the GAA could - and likely will - green light the return to training in February.

They are but I think the GAA are first waiting for some government funding before they give the go ahead to February training.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on January 26, 2021, 03:40:26 PM
Yep. Will want to be seen as being responsible and sensible.
Sports Minister meeting Sports organisations Thursday I believe.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on January 26, 2021, 05:01:57 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 26, 2021, 02:06:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2021, 12:25:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 25, 2021, 07:21:58 PM


On the topic late March at the earliest the likely start date for the NFL now.
I presume the GAA will stick with no collective training till 5th March so likely weekend 27/28 March start date if the NFL/NHL go ahead at all. They well might not if no Government €€€€€s

Intercounty activity is not bound by public health restrictions of course. As elite sport, the GAA could - and likely will - green light the return to training in February.

The GAA has zero income, same as the IRFU and FAI.
It's likely to be pragmatic.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on January 26, 2021, 08:06:51 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40214651.html
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: reillycavan on January 26, 2021, 08:14:35 PM
Will we have All Ireland club championship now if season pushed back?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Tyrdub on January 27, 2021, 10:59:53 AM
Quote from: reillycavan on January 26, 2021, 08:14:35 PM
Will we have All Ireland club championship now if season pushed back?

At this stage I'd be happy with just a few matches, we can worry about AI Cub Finals in a few months time
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Cunny Funt on January 28, 2021, 05:09:03 PM
Early April start for the NFL now if restrictions are eased on March 5th.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on February 10, 2021, 08:52:43 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0210/1196369-inter-county-gaa-no-longer-exempt-under-level-5/
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on February 10, 2021, 09:58:33 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 10, 2021, 08:52:43 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0210/1196369-inter-county-gaa-no-longer-exempt-under-level-5/

They must be certain level 5 restrictions are staying in place for all of March. Makes little sense why it was exempt under Level 5  last year and now isn't.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on February 11, 2021, 01:30:37 PM
 
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-return-to-play-suspended-indefinitely-on-government-guidance-1.4481471

The GAA's return to play has been suspended indefinitely and to April at the earliest. This news has emerged after an emergency meeting on Wednesday of the GAA's Covid Advisory Group and on foot of a meeting earlier this week between the association, women's Gaelic games organisations and Minister of State for Sport Jack Chambers.

The bodies were informed that under the revised 'Living with Covid' guidelines to be issued the week after next, elite Gaelic games will no longer be allowed under Level 5 restrictions.


A letter to clubs and counties from GAA president John Horan and DG Tom Ryan, states:

"It was also clear that there will not be any change to this position post-March 5th when the restrictions currently in place are reviewed.

"It is the view of the GAA's Covid Advisory group that no on-field activity will be permitted – training or games – until Easter at the earliest. In the interim, it is expected that the Government will publish an updated 'Living with Covid' plan and we expect that this will provide clarity on when clubs and counties are likely to be allowed return to training and games in 2021. It should also provide clarity on when other off-field club activities may be permitted to resume."

With no sign of relaxation to Level 4 on the horizon, GAA officials are resigned to county teams not being allowed to resume training until April at the earliest, which means that fixtures are unlikely until later that month or May.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on February 11, 2021, 01:32:20 PM
It looks like the GAA were prepared to concede on the League in return for enough time to run the championship/. This year it should be run in the summer imo.
Covid will be back from its summer hols by mid September
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Cunny Funt on February 11, 2021, 04:56:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 11, 2021, 01:32:20 PM
It looks like the GAA were prepared to concede on the League in return for enough time to run the championship/. This year it should be run in the summer imo.
Covid will be back from its summer hols by mid September
Covid doesn't take holidays. You contain it and get as many vaccines into arms between now and September.

They would have to concede their All-Ireland B championship for a 2nd year in a row if the league was scrapped and HQ wouldn't want that.

Michael Martin said they will release the living with Covid plan next week they will be looking at inter-county GAA,  he thought the return to inter County (October to December)  worked well last year.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: South Laois man on February 11, 2021, 06:14:01 PM
Seafoid if covid does come back from it's holidays as you say in September, why should it matter that much? Most adults will be vaccinated by then. That should turn covid into the equivalent of a mild flu even for the varients. Life has to go on at some stage.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on February 12, 2021, 05:06:52 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0211/1196537-horan-lack-of-bubbles-the-reason-gaa-cant-come-back/

He asked the Minister the question directly, 'were we included in the present elite status'", Horan told RTÉ Sport.

"He said we weren't because the present elite status categorised was those sports that could operate within a bubble, and the GAA obviously wouldn't be able to function in such a manner.

"If you look across the three associations there would be 106 teams there at senior inter-county level - that would be a multiple of about 5,000 players.

"They all work within the community and we've all seen that throughout the winter.

"If you go back to our record last year we were always safe and responsible in the decisions we made in terms of return to play. Sometimes we moved at a slower pace than NPHET or the government were recommending.

"We have an appetite to go back and play the games but we feel, as both a management committee and the covid advisory committee, that it's not safe and it wouldn't be responsible to go back at the moment such is the level of the virus within society."

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on February 12, 2021, 05:08:32 PM
Quote from: South Laois man on February 11, 2021, 06:14:01 PM
Seafoid if covid does come back from it's holidays as you say in September, why should it matter that much? Most adults will be vaccinated by then. That should turn covid into the equivalent of a mild flu even for the varients. Life has to go on at some stage.

Scientists are worried about mutations of the virus that are resistant to the current range of vaccines.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on April 22, 2021, 04:44:41 PM
Round 1

15.05.2021 (Sat)
Healy Park, Omagh 17:00 Tír Eoghain v Dún na nGall
Austin Stack Park, Tralee 15:00 Ciarraí v Gaillimh

16.05.2021 (Sun)
Brewster Park, Enniskillen 15:00 Muineachán v Ard Mhacha
Dr Hyde Park, Roscommon 13:45 Ros Comáin v Áth Cliath

Round 2

22.05.2021 (Sat)
MacCumhaill Park, Ballybofey 17:00 Dún na nGall v Muineachán
Athletic Grounds, Armagh 19:00 Ard Mhacha v Tír Eoghain

23.05.2021 (Sun)
Semple Stadium, Thurles 13:45 Áth Cliath v Ciarraí
Pearse Stadium, Salthill 14:00 Gaillimh v Ros Comáin

Round 3

29.05.2021 (Sat)
Athletic Grounds, Armagh 19:30 Ard Mhacha v Dún na nGall
Healy Park, Omagh 19:30 Tír Eoghain v Muineachán

30.05.2021 (Sun)
St Jarlath's Park, Tuam 15:45 Gaillimh v Áth Cliath
Dr Hyde Park, Roscommon 15:45 Ros Comáin v Ciarraí
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: armaghniac on April 22, 2021, 05:08:56 PM
Armagh with 2 home games and one neutral venue. It is a pity we can't all go and cheer them on, they'll need all the help they can get.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on April 26, 2021, 05:15:12 PM
Eir Sports Live league matches.

Saturday 8 May

Allianz HL Division 1 Group B round 1
Dublin v Kilkenny, Parnell Park, 3.30pm

Allianz HL Division 1 Group A round 1
Limerick v Tipperary, LIT Gaelic Grounds, 5.30pm



Saturday 15 May

Allianz FL Division 1 South round 1
Kerry v Galway, Austin Stack Park, 3pm

Allianz FL Division 1 South round 1
Cork v Kildare, Semple Stadium, 3.30pm

Allianz HL Division 1 Group A round 2
Tipperary v Cork, Semple Stadium, 7.30pm



Saturday 22 May

Allianz FL Division 2 North round 2
Westmeath v Mayo, TEG Cusack Park, 3pm

Allianz FL Division 1 North round 2
Donegal v Monaghan, Ballybofey, 5pm
Armagh v Tyrone, Athletic Grounds, 7pm



Saturday 29 May

Allianz FL Division 1 North round 3
Armagh v Donegal, Athletic Grounds, 7.30pm



Saturday 5 June

Allianz HL Division 1 Group B round 4
Dublin v Clare, Parnell Park, 5.15pm

Allianz HL Division 1 Group A round 4
Limerick v Cork, LIT Gaelic Grounds, 7.15pm
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: armaghniac on April 26, 2021, 09:23:38 PM
Does Eir Sports have pay per view?
Will GaaGo have the other ones?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on April 26, 2021, 11:38:25 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 26, 2021, 09:23:38 PM
Does Eir Sports have pay per view?
Will GaaGo have the other ones?

Don't think Eir have that. GAAgo should be streaming the non TV matches.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: armaghniac on April 27, 2021, 01:02:12 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 26, 2021, 11:38:25 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 26, 2021, 09:23:38 PM
Does Eir Sports have pay per view?
Will GaaGo have the other ones?

Don't think Eir have that. GAAgo should be streaming the non TV matches.

On a point of principle I do not think the GAA should give rights to providers who do not have some unbundled way of viewing the games. I don't object to paying but do object to having to buy a bundle with a lot of soccer, horseracing and whatever you are having yourself, which I do not want to see. And with Eir it isn't obvious how I can even get a bundle and if I did then they are not showing any GAA later in the year. I'll probably be down to some sort of of VPN wizardry, which should not be necessary.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Tyrdub on April 27, 2021, 08:43:35 AM
Can we get Eir Sport up North? If not then that means a lot of 6 county teams playing matches which their supporters won't be able to watch
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on April 27, 2021, 05:25:45 PM
More TV coverage confirmed.


8 May
Allianz Hurling League, Division 1A

Westmeath v Galway, 2pm, live on TG4



9 May
Allianz Hurling League, Division 1B

Wexford v Laois, 1.45pm, live on TG4

Allianz Hurling League, Division 1A

Cork v Waterford, 3.45pm, live on TG4

Allianz Hurling League, Division 1B

Antrim v Clare, 2pm, live on TG4 Player App and deferred on TG4

15 May
Allianz Football League Division 1 North

Tyrone v Donegal, 5pm, live on TG4



16 May
Allianz Football League Division 1 South

Roscommon v Dublin, 1.45pm, live on TG4

Allianz Hurling League, Division 1A

Galway v Limerick, 3.45pm, live on TG4

Allianz Football League Division 1 North

Monaghan v Armagh, 2pm, live on TG4 Player App and deferred on TG4

22 May
Allianz Hurling League, Division 1A

Tipperary v Galway, 1.30pm, live on TG4

23 May
Allianz Football League Division 1 South

Dublin v Kerry, 1.45pm, live on TG4

Allianz Hurling League, Division 1A

Waterford v Limerick, 3.45pm, live on TG4

Allianz Hurling League, Division 1B

Kilkenny v Wexford, 2pm, live on TG4 Player App and deferred on TG4

29 May
Allianz Football League Division 3 North

Match TBC, 3pm, live on TG4


30 May
Allianz Football League Division 2

Match TBC, 1.45pm, live on TG4

Allianz Football League Division 1 South

Match TBC, 3.45pm, live on TG4

Match TBC, 3.45pm, live on TG4 Player App and deferred on TG4.

Allianz Hurling League, Division 1B

Antrim v Wexford, 3pm, live on TG4

6 June
Allianz Hurling League, Division 1B

Kilkenny v Laois, 1.45pm, live on TG4

Allianz Hurling League, Division 1A

Galway v Waterford, 3.45pm, live on TG4

Westmeath v Tipperary, 2pm, live on TG4 Player App and deferred on TG4

12 June
Allianz Football League Division 1/2 semi-finals

Match TBC, live on TG4

Match TBC, live on TG4

13 June
Allianz Hurling League, Division 1A

Match TBC, 1.45pm, live on TG4

Allianz Football League Division 1/2 semi-finals

Match TBC, 2.45pm, live on TG4

Allianz Hurling League, Division 1A

Match TBC, 1.45pm, live on TG4 Player App and deferred on TG4.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Dire Ear on April 29, 2021, 03:06:33 PM
Armagh legend Oisín McConville reckons there's a 'distinct possibility' that Crossmaglen clubmate Jamie Clarke may have played his last game for the county.

McConville said his understanding is that the gifted forward, who burst onto the inter-county scene with 3-7 in the summer of 2010, isn't part of the panel this year.

Clarke, who has a heavy interest in the fashion industry,coffee, and travelling, missed the 2016 and 2018 seasons though returned to start all of Armagh's Championship games in 2019 and 2020.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: J70 on April 29, 2021, 03:28:27 PM
Always feel bad for Clarke.

Imagine the career a man with his talent could have had if he'd arrived on the scene a decade or 15 years earlier?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on April 29, 2021, 03:51:46 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 29, 2021, 03:28:27 PM
Always feel bad for Clarke.

Imagine the career a man with his talent could have had if he'd arrived on the scene a decade or 15 years earlier?
No sympathy. Could have had a decent career with Armagh and Cross but half in half out bullshit has been going on too long.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on April 29, 2021, 03:56:59 PM
What age is Clarke?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on April 29, 2021, 04:01:23 PM
Fair dues to him. 

At 32, the chances of him throwing on the orange jersey again are slim, but he cannot be faulted for his contributions to club and county over the years. 
People always seem to lay into him for looking to forge a life outside of football which I cannot understand.  Had he been mediocre nobody would give two fiddlers what career aspirations he would have. 

Looking forward to county matches starting up again, Armagh have their work cut out for them however.  Donegal and Tyrone will fancy their chances of de-throning Dublin later in the year, so early markers will be laid down. 
Armagh have to play conservative against these teams or face getting steamrolled. 
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Cunny Funt on April 29, 2021, 04:30:16 PM
It reported the pilot scheme for return of fans not happening until July 5th. There goes the possibility of fans at any NFL or NHL games, I thought the semi finals in June could have been used as a pilot.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on April 29, 2021, 05:54:28 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 29, 2021, 04:30:16 PM
It reported the pilot scheme for return of fans not happening until July 5th. There goes the possibility of fans at any NFL or NHL games, I thought the semi finals in June could have been used as a pilot.

Can't help but think that the Cork, Down, Dublin and Monaghan breaches didn't help any bit in terms of being allowed back into watch games.

I saw a headline yesterday saying the GAA would be looking for more government money this year and I thought to myself that was a strong indication that there would only be very limited crowds allowed at championship games.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on April 29, 2021, 06:11:29 PM
Don't think those breaches have any effect on no crowds being back. It's across all sports not just GAA.

It's said a phased crowd allowance will happen in July.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Ed Ricketts on April 29, 2021, 08:59:02 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on April 29, 2021, 04:01:23 PM
Fair dues to him. 

At 32, the chances of him throwing on the orange jersey again are slim, but he cannot be faulted for his contributions to club and county over the years. 
People always seem to lay into him for looking to forge a life outside of football which I cannot understand.  Had he been mediocre nobody would give two fiddlers what career aspirations he would have. 

Looking forward to county matches starting up again, Armagh have their work cut out for them however.  Donegal and Tyrone will fancy their chances of de-throning Dublin later in the year, so early markers will be laid down. 
Armagh have to play conservative against these teams or face getting steamrolled.

100%. Hard as it might be for certain numpties to understand, but these young men actually have lives outside of football. Neither Clarke, nor anyone else, has an obligation to play football just because they happen to be good at it.

Jamie has given Armagh and Cross many magic moments over the last decade or so (through a period of time in which they were in particularly short supply). If he really has packed it in then he deserves to be remembered very fondly.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Angelo on April 30, 2021, 09:17:55 AM
Clarke was a brilliant footballer. One of the last few maverick forwards.

Shouldn't be too big a loss for Armagh with the scoring talent they have though.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 30, 2021, 09:53:37 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2021, 03:51:46 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 29, 2021, 03:28:27 PM
Always feel bad for Clarke.

Imagine the career a man with his talent could have had if he'd arrived on the scene a decade or 15 years earlier?
No sympathy. Could have had a decent career with Armagh and Cross but half in half out bullshit has been going on too long.

Must have been frustrating for Cross and Armagh knowing he would be back and you knew he wouldn't stay long.

But, the GAA continues to hide behind the amateur thing, the lad is free to do as he pleases. The professional commitment just wasn't there. He was a handy soccer player too from memory, he could have earned a few quid at that on the local scene.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on April 30, 2021, 12:10:20 PM
It was a chance for him to play Division 1 football, but might not have been thrilled about a Ulster Championship style league

Will he play much club football?, not been involved with Crossmaglen in a few years. Played a bit in London.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on April 30, 2021, 04:27:28 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2021, 03:51:46 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 29, 2021, 03:28:27 PM
Always feel bad for Clarke.

Imagine the career a man with his talent could have had if he'd arrived on the scene a decade or 15 years earlier?
No sympathy. Could have had a decent career with Armagh and Cross but half in half out bullshit has been going on too long.

Ridiculous statement
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on May 01, 2021, 02:58:31 PM
Jamie was/is an excellent footballer, just born in the wrong county.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on May 01, 2021, 04:22:36 PM
Jamie is a free agent with no professional contract. He owes nobody in the GAA anything. The GAA family expect good/great players to sacrafice in their twenties, things like travelling, developing a career and learning about life. Jamie had as much of a mix of both as he could and good luck to him.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on May 01, 2021, 07:54:59 PM
Plenty of County players have nice careers as a result of being a county player. Obviously they would have worked to get to it, but doesn't own the GAA anything tag is a bit rich.

Aidan O Shea strolling around in newly sponsored Audi every year is because he's a Top County footballer. Good luck to him that he can get those perks,but don't play the poor mouth because they aren't professional. Plenty of perks.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on May 01, 2021, 08:00:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 01, 2021, 07:54:59 PM
Plenty of County players have nice careers as a result of being a county player. Obviously they would have worked to get to it, but doesn't own the GAA anything tag is a bit rich.

Aidan O Shea strolling around in newly sponsored Audi every year is because he's a Top County footballer. Good luck to him that he can get those perks,but don't play the poor mouth because they aren't professional. Plenty of perks.

That's what Aido chose. And fair dues it works for him. If he decided not to play intercounty the last decade. I can guarantee there would have been a huge amount of pressure put on him.

Remember he has only the use of the sponsored Audi.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Angelo on May 01, 2021, 09:18:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 01, 2021, 08:00:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 01, 2021, 07:54:59 PM
Plenty of County players have nice careers as a result of being a county player. Obviously they would have worked to get to it, but doesn't own the GAA anything tag is a bit rich.

Aidan O Shea strolling around in newly sponsored Audi every year is because he's a Top County footballer. Good luck to him that he can get those perks,but don't play the poor mouth because they aren't professional. Plenty of perks.

That's what Aido chose. And fair dues it works for him. If he decided not to play intercounty the last decade. I can guarantee there would have been a huge amount of pressure put on him.

Remember he has only the use of the sponsored Audi.

Plenty of the top GAA players in the big counties are extremely well compensated with perks and freebies.

He might only have the use of that car but the lease payments on such a vehicle would probably be worth 10k a year. If he was to receive that as an employee he would be paying a fair whack of tax on it.

Obviously AOS is only an example and those incidents apply to most key players in the big counties. But I think those high profile players will probably earn benefits and perks over the course of their careers that you could probably value at a 6 figure sum.

The players for the smaller counties probably get very little of those perks but are expected to put in the same effort and commitment.

It's a bit of a no brainer that a good player from one of the big counties wouldn't commit ten years to intercounty football when you see some of the benefits they get from it. Dublin players are more or less professional athletes, they more or less all have no show jobs*.

*Awaits pile on from Dublin fans and their cheerleaders from other counties.

It's a bit insulting when Bernard Brogan is telling other counties that Dublin's success is down to them training harder. If you had a footballer in Leitrim, Carlow, Fermanagh or Clare who was training three times a week as they worked a full time job in Dublin then it's night on impossible for them to put in the same effort as Dublin players who are gifted ambassadorial come as you go jobs.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on May 02, 2021, 01:53:41 PM
Cathal McShane was persuaded to stay in Tyrone with a new job in Lintel https://keystonegroup.co.uk/tyrone-gaa-cathal-mcshan
Did he get a  new house also?

Tyrone had to match, or better what he was going to be offered in Australia
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Tubberman on May 02, 2021, 02:53:06 PM
He has a remarkable hairline.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Angelo on May 03, 2021, 11:52:08 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 02, 2021, 01:53:41 PM
Cathal McShane was persuaded to stay in Tyrone with a new job in Lintel https://keystonegroup.co.uk/tyrone-gaa-cathal-mcshan
Did he get a  new house also?

Tyrone had to match, or better what he was going to be offered in Australia

McShane definitely stayed in Tyrone due to what he was offered but the offer didn't have to be bettered as such or even matched. It bettered his current circumstances for sure and these type of "job offers" are pretty common for the big players from the big counties. The big issue is that Dublin are able to sort their full panel out in this way. Most other counties probably look after their key men but the rest of the panel will generally have to look after themselves.

There's no denying he got sorted out though.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on May 03, 2021, 12:03:15 PM
There are 6 other teams in D1  ;)
I suppose the general consensus is that Dublin, Kerry, Donegal and Tyrone will qualify for the Semis while it will be Ros/Galway v Armagh/Monaghan to avoid the drop.
Southern section is predictable enough but the Ulster section much more likely to not go as expected.
What happens if Donegal gets locked down?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 03, 2021, 05:04:05 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 03, 2021, 12:03:15 PM
There are 6 other teams in D1  ;)
I suppose the general consensus is that Dublin, Kerry, Donegal and Tyrone will qualify for the Semis while it will be Ros/Galway v Armagh/Monaghan to avoid the drop.
Southern section is predictable enough but the Ulster section much more likely to not go as expected.
What happens if Donegal gets locked down?
Can't see much changing, perhaps their 1 home game played in a neutral venue.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 04, 2021, 07:16:33 PM
Challenge matches permitted from Monday May 10th. Not sure why they aren't permitted from this Friday?

Challenges now allowed from tonight May 5th. They must have realised it made no sense to wait until May 10th.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 10, 2021, 07:18:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 25, 2021, 01:19:22 PM
It's hard to see the League happening this year.

Quote from: seafoid on January 26, 2021, 11:33:08 AM
Why don't we sit back and follow it and see who is right ?
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Round 1 this weekend

Saturday

Kerry v Galway, Austin Stack Park, 3pm
Tyrone v Donegal, Healy Park, 5pm

Sunday

Roscommon v Dublin, Dr Hyde Park, 1:45pm
Monaghan V Armagh, Brewster Park, 3pm




Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on May 11, 2021, 11:32:40 AM
Kerry
Tyrone
Draw  :o
Monaghan
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on May 11, 2021, 11:58:32 AM
No idea how Galway will fare in this truncated league, it's a difficult set of fixtures with no "guaranteed" win from any of the three matches - would be doing extremly well to avoid a relegation playoff. Kerry will be gunning for teams this year, the Dubs are the Dubs and Rossies certainly have no fear of playing Galway.

At least we've got a published squad to see who is involved, if Peter Cooke comes back in the same form he left then he's a big addition but who knows where he'll be after his year break away from football altogether. Galway handled the COVID-19 interruption poorly last year, but you'd hope the lessons learned from that have been applied during the January to May period this time around.

Galway Senior Football League Panel 2021:
1 Bernie Power (GK), 2 Conor Gleeson (GK), 3 Jack Glynn, 4 Seán Ó Maoilchiaráin, 5 Liam Silke, 6 Gary O'Donnell, 7 Dylan McHugh, 8 Johnny Heaney, 9 Johnny Duane, 10 Cathal Sweeney, 11 Seán Kelly, 12 Kieran Molloy, 13 Ciarán Potter, 14 James Foley, 15 Seán Andy Ó Ceallaigh 16 Peter Cooke, 17 Paul Conroy, 18 Maitias Ó Bairéid , 19 Ronan Steede, 20 Cein D'Arcy, 21 Matthew Tierney, 22 Paul Kelly, 23 Eamonn Brannigan, 24 Shane Walsh (C), 25 Damien Comer, 26 Dessie Conneely, 27 Robert Finnerty¸28 Finnian Ó Laoi, 29 Rory Cunningham, 30 Tomo Culhane, 31 Pádraig Costello, 32 Liam Costello

Current injured players (as per Irish Times): 33 Darragh Silke, 34 Jack Keady, 35 John Daly, 36 Tom Flynn, 37 Conor Campbell, 38 Ronan Ó Beoláin (GK).

Feeder Squad:
1 Oran Burke (GK), 2 Cormac McWalter, 3 Cian Monaghan, 4 Evan Murphy, 5 Patrick Kelly, 6 Liam Boyle, 7 Sean Fitzgerald, 8 Colin Ryan, 9 Antaine Ó Laoi, 10 Mike Farragher

2020 players who have left:
Ian Burke, Fiontán Ó Curraoin, Gareth Bradshaw, Cillian McDaid, John Maher, Jason Leonard, Gary Sice, Michael Daly, Adrian Varley.

Bradshaw was a great servant who owed the jersey nothing, no surprise he's retired, he will want to knock some more years out of it with Moycullen as they will be contesting for the Frank Fox for the foreseeable given the team they have and the players coming through.
Cillian McDaid unfortunately looks like another hugely promising Gaelic footballer who went out to Australia and came back with a body that can't hold up anymore, he was the standout player on that 2017 Galway U21 team but just cannot keep himself fit.
I see pieces where Ian Burke not being able to play in 2021 is made out as a big loss for Galway, all I can say is that those people were not closely watching Galway games in 2019 or 2020.
Daly never kicked on at Senior level really outside of flashes here and there. I'd prefer to have him in there all the same, was still one of the top performers in the Senior club championship last year. Varley not being available really hurts squad depth, he was a decent option.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Louther on May 11, 2021, 01:16:25 PM
What's a feeder squad? Another set of players used for training?

Serious now that county panels carry 38 players plus 10 additional. And we wonder why they spending money hand over fist.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on May 11, 2021, 01:48:54 PM
Is there a limit of 38 on the "offical" panel? That is my assumption and those other ten are the rest of the players in for training at the moment.
It is definitely not purely a development squad anyway as the likes of Mike Farragher are knocking around for years at this stage.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: mouview on May 11, 2021, 02:08:04 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 11, 2021, 01:48:54 PM
Is there a limit of 38 on the "offical" panel? That is my assumption and those other ten are the rest of the players in for training at the moment.
It is definitely not purely a development squad anyway as the likes of Mike Farragher are knocking around for years at this stage.

PJ not getting a lot of breaks as regards player injuries or pandemic disruptions. I fear it could be another truncated season for the squad unless he can come up with a strong and settled lineout fairly quickly. Indeed, it could be the next manager that fully reaps the benefit of some better, younger players starting to emerge.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on May 11, 2021, 02:53:25 PM
For sure it's hard to know what to expect from our lads.
Of the lads that aren't there from last year - Ian Burke is only a loss on his 2018 form, certainly no loss based on his displays in the 2 years since then.
Daly and Varley most certainly are losses though. Both would be borderline for starting berths but they would be great options to introduce off the bench in a game. Varley especially has had plenty of impact off the bench in the past and was very good for Cortoon last year.
A fully fit and firing McDaid is also a loss, but we haven't seen that yet since he returned from Oz.

I think Pj may try and get all 3 of Steede, Flynn and Cooke on the pitch at the same time. Add Conroy to that and we should be competitive around the middle area. You would just wonder about our firepower outside of Walsh. Comer hasn't looked to be properly fit since 2018 - even in the early stages of the league last year he didn't look to be moving too well to my eye anyway. Seemed sluggish. We badly need him to regain form and chip in with scores because outside of him, Walsh and Conroy the rest of the forwards named don't look like shooters at this level (Tomo will be I imagine but probably too early for him yet he is just out of u18).
I was hoping Conor Flaherty would be brought in - his kicking has looked very good any time I have seen him play (albeit only a handful of occasions).
The lack of challenge games is a shame as that would be invaluable to try and blood a few of the u20s like Sweeney, Glynn, Culhane.
Instead it's straight into Kerry away, quickly followed by two other very tough games.


Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on May 11, 2021, 03:05:08 PM
Quote from: mouview on May 11, 2021, 02:08:04 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 11, 2021, 01:48:54 PM
Is there a limit of 38 on the "offical" panel? That is my assumption and those other ten are the rest of the players in for training at the moment.
It is definitely not purely a development squad anyway as the likes of Mike Farragher are knocking around for years at this stage.

PJ not getting a lot of breaks as regards player injuries or pandemic disruptions. I fear it could be another truncated season for the squad unless he can come up with a strong and settled lineout fairly quickly. Indeed, it could be the next manager that fully reaps the benefit of some better, younger players starting to emerge.
As long as that Dublin setup is there no Galway momentum will lead to anything,
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on May 11, 2021, 03:19:29 PM
Outside of 2018, the presence or otherwise of Dublin over the last ten years made no difference to how Galway went in the league and championship, we have a long way to go to be competitive with the teams below Dublin, aim for that first anyway, we haven't been in an All Ireland final in 20 years!!!
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on May 11, 2021, 04:00:12 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 11, 2021, 03:19:29 PM
Outside of 2018, the presence or otherwise of Dublin over the last ten years made no difference to how Galway went in the league and championship, we have a long way to go to be competitive with the teams below Dublin, aim for that first anyway, we haven't been in an All Ireland final in 20 years!!!
Obviously , but even if we had a good team we wouldn't win the All Ireland. Same goes for Meath, Cork , Down, Tyrone . It has to influence motivation levels.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 11, 2021, 04:40:34 PM
Quote from: Louther on May 11, 2021, 01:16:25 PM
What’s a feeder squad? Another set of players used for training?

Serious now that county panels carry 38 players plus 10 additional. And we wonder why they spending money hand over fist.

Usually its a development panel and they'll only be part of the 30 plus senior panel if they get a glut of injuries.


Galways strongest 15/championship team?

             Bernard Power
Liam Silke, Sean Kelly, Johnny Duane;
Kieran Molloy, John Daly, Johnny Heaney;
Ronan Steede; Peter Cooke
Paul Kelly, Paul Conroy, Tom Flynn;
Dessie Conneely,Damien Comer Shane Walsh

Though the likes of Cathal Sweeney, Tomo Culhane, Matthew Tierney could be starters if they perform well in this NFL.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on May 11, 2021, 05:19:35 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 11, 2021, 04:40:34 PM
Quote from: Louther on May 11, 2021, 01:16:25 PM
What's a feeder squad? Another set of players used for training?

Serious now that county panels carry 38 players plus 10 additional. And we wonder why they spending money hand over fist.

Usually its a development panel and they'll only be part of the 30 plus senior panel if they get a glut of injuries.


Galways strongest 15/championship team?

             Bernard Power
Liam Silke, Sean Kelly, Johnny Duane;
Kieran Molloy, John Daly, Johnny Heaney;
Ronan Steede; Peter Cooke
Paul Kelly, Paul Conroy, Tom Flynn;
Dessie Conneely,Damien Comer Shane Walsh

Though the likes of Cathal Sweeney, Tomo Culhane, Matthew Tierney could be starters if they perform well in this NFL.
You are probably not far off there I would say.
I don't see Johnny Duane making the team though. If he does then certainly not in the corner. Lacks the pace to play there.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on May 11, 2021, 07:48:44 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 11, 2021, 04:40:34 PM
Quote from: Louther on May 11, 2021, 01:16:25 PM
What's a feeder squad? Another set of players used for training?

Serious now that county panels carry 38 players plus 10 additional. And we wonder why they spending money hand over fist.

Usually its a development panel and they'll only be part of the 30 plus senior panel if they get a glut of injuries.


Galways strongest 15/championship team?

             Bernard Power
Liam Silke, Sean Kelly, Johnny Duane;
Kieran Molloy, John Daly, Johnny Heaney;
Ronan Steede; Peter Cooke
Paul Kelly, Paul Conroy, Tom Flynn;
Dessie Conneely,Damien Comer Shane Walsh

Though the likes of Cathal Sweeney, Tomo Culhane, Matthew Tierney could be starters if they perform well in this NFL.

If that FB line starts at any point this year I'd fear for Galway. Duane in either corner is a problem waiting to happen, he was in there for 20 minutes against Kerry last year in Tralee and Galway were in serious bother until he was replaced. Duane can play at CHB or nothing, doesn't have the pace for the other positions in the backs and John Daly is a much better option at 6 if he is fit and playing like he was before his serious injury.
Silke is a lad that is somehow considered an automatic selection and it's purely based on his club performances, he's been roasted plenty of times in a Galway jersey. Has had some good days tbf but realistically has played nowhere near the reputation he has off the back of his Corofin performances, maybe he'll prove different this year but for the minute PJ might be better off with someone else tried there.
Sean Kelly has turned into a serious bit of stuff alright though, and I hope that continues this year, he was probably Galway's best player last year alongside Shane Walsh.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Manning18 on May 11, 2021, 11:04:46 PM
Mulkerrin surely will be a starter? He had a fine debut year last year and should kick on. I don't think the team named above is especially far off despite that, with Duane dropping off and Connelly's spot possibly going to any of a few. A defence of Kelly, Mulkerrin, Silke, Heaney, Daly Molloy is fine imo. Defence wasn't the reason Mayo pipped us last year, the problems were in the forwards
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 11, 2021, 11:26:09 PM
Forgot about Mulkerrin, replace him with Johnny Duane in a possible starting 15.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Hound on May 12, 2021, 02:39:29 PM
McGeeney confirms Jamie Clarke not involved with Armagh this year, which I think had been flagged.

Some other interesting comments on rte.ie:

On player opt-outs

Everyone has a personal choice. Jamie is an exceptionally good fella, I have a lot of time for him personally and he was always straight up when he goes.

Some people just have different passions. I don't really think it's got to do with the football or the commitment. They just tend to give commitment to other things, I suppose it depends where your cards are aligning on your particular journey.

I think we're all caught in a time warp. We tend to focus in on the three/four players (who don't commit) of the 3000 who are involved with inter-county, I think it's a small percentage. I would actually think the opposite, I think football nowadays is far more enjoyable.

You have to remember that when we (90s-early 00s players) were going back training/travelling home, we were going back to run. We did a pre-season in September, another one in January and another one in April/May, and all we did was run. That's all we did, run. The summer months were great but you still ran until a week or two before championship when you got to sharpen up with a few sprints.

Now it's just all football, outside of pre-season, it's all game scenarios. I think it's a great time to be involved in football. I genuinely do. I think it's moved on exponentially, in terms of what they're doing for their players, and even just to be able to access the different things that you can now as a footballer.

It's not for everybody, especially when you're not getting first-team hurling or football, it's easy to get disgruntled because in everything like that, people are going to have different opinions, mine might not be right and a manager might pick different players but I think in general, players are enjoying football and hurling.

On Kieran Donaghy:

We have Kieran Donaghy, Ciaran McKeever and Ciaran McKinney. It seems to be the four Ciarans. It's a bit of craic when they're giving out to us.

The reason I went after Kieran (Donaghy) was Kieran made a career out of bringing other people into the game and I just think that's something we were still missing in Armagh. It's sometimes hard to explain to people. Sometimes, I think you can have too many good forwards. You need people to make them tick, a bit like Kilkenny does for Dublin, like Kieran would have done for Kerry, things like that. I just thought Kieran would have that type of background in his basketball too.

Kieran is a very gregarious type of character anyway. He is good fun. They (the players) find it hard to stop laughing at me all the time... It's good to have somebody else in with a sense of humour. I don't think it's so much where people come from. I also think the fact that although playing underage with Kerry, that he got in through the Underdogs system, he has a great humility about him as well.

He has loads of All-Irelands in the back pockets, All-Stars and things like that, International Rules. He has got everything but there is a great humility about him too, and a great humility about the way he does things. I don't really think it makes a difference where you are from. Your characteristics you bring to it will definitely add a different dimension. I think the three Ciarans all have their own character, but Kieran's pathway has definitely given him all the attributes to be a great coach.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: rosnarun on May 12, 2021, 05:09:28 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 11, 2021, 11:26:09 PM
Forgot about Mulkerrin, replace him with Johnny Duane in a possible starting 15.
few names missing from that galway team  injuries or not in favour? m daly ,A o laoi Sean andi ,cein d'arcy, Ian burke,varley and E brannigain   
They were ther guys mayo hated to see coming esp Varley who never seemed to play as well against anyone else
has Robert Finnerty applied for a mayo passport
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on May 12, 2021, 05:59:09 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 12, 2021, 05:09:28 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 11, 2021, 11:26:09 PM
Forgot about Mulkerrin, replace him with Johnny Duane in a possible starting 15.
few names missing from that galway team  injuries or not in favour? m daly ,A o laoi Sean andi ,cein d'arcy, Ian burke,varley and E brannigain   
They were ther guys mayo hated to see coming esp Varley who never seemed to play as well against anyone else
has Robert Finnerty applied for a mayo passport
Daly Burke and Varley all opted out of the panel.
The others you named are on the panel - the team
above was just one persons prediction of what a team might look like.
Would disagree with you totally on Varley - he has played well off the bench for us plenty of times not only Mayo. Never really nailed down a starting berth though
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Maroon Manc on May 13, 2021, 01:02:03 PM
Quote from: galwayman on May 12, 2021, 05:59:09 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 12, 2021, 05:09:28 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 11, 2021, 11:26:09 PM
Forgot about Mulkerrin, replace him with Johnny Duane in a possible starting 15.
few names missing from that galway team  injuries or not in favour? m daly ,A o laoi Sean andi ,cein d'arcy, Ian burke,varley and E brannigain   
They were ther guys mayo hated to see coming esp Varley who never seemed to play as well against anyone else
has Robert Finnerty applied for a mayo passport
Daly Burke and Varley all opted out of the panel.
The others you named are on the panel - the team
above was just one persons prediction of what a team might look like.
Would disagree with you totally on Varley - he has played well off the bench for us plenty of times not only Mayo. Never really nailed down a starting berth though

Varley did very well when he came on as a sub against Kerry in 2018, from that list of drop outs he's the only one that disappoints me; Michael Daly has never kicked on and Ian Burke has done nothing since 2018. McDaid can't catch a break although he had a shocking first half against Mayo last November.

Cooke coming back is a bonus and lets hope Comer can stay fit but as others have pointed out it remains to be seen whether he can get back to his best. There's not too many counties who can match Galway's underage success the last 5 years but not enough players from those teams have really kicked on especially in the forward line. Galway far too reliant on Walsh & Conroy for scores, that needs to change. Culhane has been outstanding the last 2 years in the 17's and 20's but he's still got this year and next at u20 level. Some of Finnerty, Conneely, O'Laoi, Cunningham and two Costello's have to make an impact.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Louther on May 13, 2021, 01:18:19 PM
Div1 me hole. Division 4 is where it's at.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on May 13, 2021, 07:19:43 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 12, 2021, 02:39:29 PM
McGeeney confirms Jamie Clarke not involved with Armagh this year, which I think had been flagged.

Some other interesting comments on rte.ie:

On player opt-outs

Everyone has a personal choice. Jamie is an exceptionally good fella, I have a lot of time for him personally and he was always straight up when he goes.

Some people just have different passions. I don't really think it's got to do with the football or the commitment. They just tend to give commitment to other things, I suppose it depends where your cards are aligning on your particular journey.

I think we're all caught in a time warp. We tend to focus in on the three/four players (who don't commit) of the 3000 who are involved with inter-county, I think it's a small percentage. I would actually think the opposite, I think football nowadays is far more enjoyable.

You have to remember that when we (90s-early 00s players) were going back training/travelling home, we were going back to run. We did a pre-season in September, another one in January and another one in April/May, and all we did was run. That's all we did, run. The summer months were great but you still ran until a week or two before championship when you got to sharpen up with a few sprints.

Now it's just all football, outside of pre-season, it's all game scenarios. I think it's a great time to be involved in football. I genuinely do. I think it's moved on exponentially, in terms of what they're doing for their players, and even just to be able to access the different things that you can now as a footballer.

It's not for everybody, especially when you're not getting first-team hurling or football, it's easy to get disgruntled because in everything like that, people are going to have different opinions, mine might not be right and a manager might pick different players but I think in general, players are enjoying football and hurling.

On Kieran Donaghy:

We have Kieran Donaghy, Ciaran McKeever and Ciaran McKinney. It seems to be the four Ciarans. It's a bit of craic when they're giving out to us.

The reason I went after Kieran (Donaghy) was Kieran made a career out of bringing other people into the game and I just think that's something we were still missing in Armagh. It's sometimes hard to explain to people. Sometimes, I think you can have too many good forwards. You need people to make them tick, a bit like Kilkenny does for Dublin, like Kieran would have done for Kerry, things like that. I just thought Kieran would have that type of background in his basketball too.

Kieran is a very gregarious type of character anyway. He is good fun. They (the players) find it hard to stop laughing at me all the time... It's good to have somebody else in with a sense of humour. I don't think it's so much where people come from. I also think the fact that although playing underage with Kerry, that he got in through the Underdogs system, he has a great humility about him as well.

He has loads of All-Irelands in the back pockets, All-Stars and things like that, International Rules. He has got everything but there is a great humility about him too, and a great humility about the way he does things. I don't really think it makes a difference where you are from. Your characteristics you bring to it will definitely add a different dimension. I think the three Ciarans all have their own character, but Kieran's pathway has definitely given him all the attributes to be a great coach.

Good luck to Clarke.
Good read there. Cheers for posting
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on May 13, 2021, 09:56:59 PM
Galway team named.
Power
Glynn Mulkerrin Silke
O'Donnell McHugh Heaney
Cooke Conroy
PKelly Tierney Brannigan
Conneely Comer Walsh
Subs
Sweeney Steede Molloy SKelly Gleeson Barrett OLaoi Finnerty Culhane LCostello Duane

Flynn and Daly injured. Sean Kelly carrying a slight knock I think hence is on the bench. I think 9 of that team started the Connacht final.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on May 13, 2021, 10:00:31 PM
On a separate note... wondering what the best way is (if there is any) to watch Galway-Kerry on Saturday aside from subscribing to Eir Sports or dabbling with IPTV again?
The GaaGo domestic pass for €25 (seems great value actually) excludes games shown on tv in Ireland.
There is an option to purchase the individual game for a tenner. Unavailable in Ireland it states - anyone know if I were to buy it would it work with a VPN or have GaaGo got the VPNs blocked like some other providers?
Cheers
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: MayoBuck on May 13, 2021, 10:17:45 PM
Quote from: galwayman on May 13, 2021, 10:00:31 PM
On a separate note... wondering what the best way is (if there is any) to watch Galway-Kerry on Saturday aside from subscribing to Eir Sports or dabbling with IPTV again?
The GaaGo domestic pass for €25 (seems great value actually) excludes games shown on tv in Ireland.
There is an option to purchase the individual game for a tenner. Unavailable in Ireland it states - anyone know if I were to buy it would it work with a VPN or have GaaGo got the VPNs blocked like some other providers?
Cheers

I've watched gaa go with a VPN previously so that should work.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: armaghniac on May 14, 2021, 02:04:26 AM
It is ridiculous that you have to feck about with VPNs to give the GAA money in Ireland.
They need to rethink this TV thing. In my opinion the GAA should require anyone getting rights to have something like the Now TV day pass in order to see it.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 14, 2021, 08:32:21 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 13, 2021, 01:02:03 PM
Quote from: galwayman on May 12, 2021, 05:59:09 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 12, 2021, 05:09:28 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 11, 2021, 11:26:09 PM
Forgot about Mulkerrin, replace him with Johnny Duane in a possible starting 15.
few names missing from that galway team  injuries or not in favour? m daly ,A o laoi Sean andi ,cein d'arcy, Ian burke,varley and E brannigain   
They were ther guys mayo hated to see coming esp Varley who never seemed to play as well against anyone else
has Robert Finnerty applied for a mayo passport
Daly Burke and Varley all opted out of the panel.
The others you named are on the panel - the team
above was just one persons prediction of what a team might look like.
Would disagree with you totally on Varley - he has played well off the bench for us plenty of times not only Mayo. Never really nailed down a starting berth though

Varley did very well when he came on as a sub against Kerry in 2018, from that list of drop outs he's the only one that disappoints me; Michael Daly has never kicked on and Ian Burke has done nothing since 2018. McDaid can't catch a break although he had a shocking first half against Mayo last November.

Cooke coming back is a bonus and lets hope Comer can stay fit but as others have pointed out it remains to be seen whether he can get back to his best. There's not too many counties who can match Galway's underage success the last 5 years but not enough players from those teams have really kicked on especially in the forward line. Galway far too reliant on Walsh & Conroy for scores, that needs to change. Culhane has been outstanding the last 2 years in the 17's and 20's but he's still got this year and next at u20 level. Some of Finnerty, Conneely, O'Laoi, Cunningham and two Costello's have to make an impact.

Cunningham is the player the soccer with Galway Utd
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on May 14, 2021, 08:44:53 AM
Quote from: macker15 on May 14, 2021, 08:32:21 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 13, 2021, 01:02:03 PM
Quote from: galwayman on May 12, 2021, 05:59:09 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 12, 2021, 05:09:28 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 11, 2021, 11:26:09 PM
Forgot about Mulkerrin, replace him with Johnny Duane in a possible starting 15.
few names missing from that galway team  injuries or not in favour? m daly ,A o laoi Sean andi ,cein d'arcy, Ian burke,varley and E brannigain   
They were ther guys mayo hated to see coming esp Varley who never seemed to play as well against anyone else
has Robert Finnerty applied for a mayo passport
Daly Burke and Varley all opted out of the panel.
The others you named are on the panel - the team
above was just one persons prediction of what a team might look like.
Would disagree with you totally on Varley - he has played well off the bench for us plenty of times not only Mayo. Never really nailed down a starting berth though

Varley did very well when he came on as a sub against Kerry in 2018, from that list of drop outs he's the only one that disappoints me; Michael Daly has never kicked on and Ian Burke has done nothing since 2018. McDaid can't catch a break although he had a shocking first half against Mayo last November.

Cooke coming back is a bonus and lets hope Comer can stay fit but as others have pointed out it remains to be seen whether he can get back to his best. There's not too many counties who can match Galway's underage success the last 5 years but not enough players from those teams have really kicked on especially in the forward line. Galway far too reliant on Walsh & Conroy for scores, that needs to change. Culhane has been outstanding the last 2 years in the 17's and 20's but he's still got this year and next at u20 level. Some of Finnerty, Conneely, O'Laoi, Cunningham and two Costello's have to make an impact.

Cunningham is the player the soccer with Galway Utd
No Rory Cunningham from St Brendans Ballygar club. The lad playing with GUFC isn't involved with Galway footballers anymore.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on May 14, 2021, 09:10:58 AM
Quote from: galwayman on May 13, 2021, 09:56:59 PM
Galway team named.
Power
Glynn Mulkerrin Silke
O'Donnell McHugh Heaney
Cooke Conroy
PKelly Tierney Brannigan
Conneely Comer Walsh
Subs
Sweeney Steede Molloy SKelly Gleeson Barrett OLaoi Finnerty Culhane LCostello Duane

Flynn and Daly injured. Sean Kelly carrying a slight knock I think hence is on the bench. I think 9 of that team started the Connacht final.

Interesting to see how they go, genuinely have no idea if they will be good or poor tomorrow. Tough match up as Kerry have been seething since the Cork match last year so expecting them to come out all guns blazing, Galway had a terrible post COVID lockdown season with 3 losses on the bounce and outside of Sean Kelly and Conroy - who was unplayable for club and county - not too many performed up to standard at all, good bit of pressure on there as well.
Overall there's no point getting too up or down about this league once they show some bit of form ahead of the Roscommon Connacht semi-final and aren't relegated.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Angelo on May 14, 2021, 09:28:12 AM
Tyrone will probably the county with the most attention on them in Div 1 this season. The only county with a new management team involved and the potential for McKenna and McShane to play at senior level for the first time together is certainly exciting.

Most teams have a lot of unknowns about them.

Galway for example, they were all hyped up about 15 months ago but looking at that team named I think it looks weak and wouldn't expect much from them this year. Now granted, there are a lot of unfamiliar players there and 18 months can do a lot for young players coming into panels if they have been working diligently on their conditioning and physique. With gyms closed and lack of group training in that time though it will likely have interrupted that development for many.

I think MacNiallais is back for Donegal which is great for the game, such a skillful and talented footballer. Bonner will surely be under pressure here, can't see him getting another turn if they don't get to an AI semi final this year. I think they really need to stop flogging Murphy. Keep him on the 45 and allow him play.

Kerry and Dublin probably both fairly unchanged in terms of personnel?

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on May 14, 2021, 01:53:13 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 14, 2021, 09:10:58 AM
Quote from: galwayman on May 13, 2021, 09:56:59 PM
Galway team named.
Power
Glynn Mulkerrin Silke
O'Donnell McHugh Heaney
Cooke Conroy
PKelly Tierney Brannigan
Conneely Comer Walsh
Subs
Sweeney Steede Molloy SKelly Gleeson Barrett OLaoi Finnerty Culhane LCostello Duane

Flynn and Daly injured. Sean Kelly carrying a slight knock I think hence is on the bench. I think 9 of that team started the Connacht final.

Interesting to see how they go, genuinely have no idea if they will be good or poor tomorrow. Tough match up as Kerry have been seething since the Cork match last year so expecting them to come out all guns blazing, Galway had a terrible post COVID lockdown season with 3 losses on the bounce and outside of Sean Kelly and Conroy - who was unplayable for club and county - not too many performed up to standard at all, good bit of pressure on there as well.
Overall there's no point getting too up or down about this league once they show some bit of form ahead of the Roscommon Connacht semi-final and aren't relegated.
That's it in a nutshell.  God only knows where some teams and players will be at in terms of prep / conditioning etc.  A clean bill of health and as close to a fully fit squad as possible going into the championship would make a welcome change for Galway.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 14, 2021, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 14, 2021, 09:28:12 AM
Tyrone will probably the county with the most attention on them in Div 1 this season. The only county with a new management team involved and the potential for McKenna and McShane to play at senior level for the first time together is certainly exciting.

Most teams have a lot of unknowns about them.

Galway for example, they were all hyped up about 15 months ago but looking at that team named I think it looks weak and wouldn't expect much from them this year. Now granted, there are a lot of unfamiliar players there and 18 months can do a lot for young players coming into panels if they have been working diligently on their conditioning and physique. With gyms closed and lack of group training in that time though it will likely have interrupted that development for many.

I think MacNiallais is back for Donegal which is great for the game, such a skillful and talented footballer. Bonner will surely be under pressure here, can't see him getting another turn if they don't get to an AI semi final this year. I think they really need to stop flogging Murphy. Keep him on the 45 and allow him play.

Kerry and Dublin probably both fairly unchanged in terms of personnel?

Louth in division four have got as much attention by the media, have Tyrone lost its appeal since Mickey Harte left?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: rosnarun on May 14, 2021, 06:13:26 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on May 14, 2021, 01:53:13 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 14, 2021, 09:10:58 AM
Quote from: galwayman on May 13, 2021, 09:56:59 PM
Galway team named.
Power
Glynn Mulkerrin Silke
O'Donnell McHugh Heaney
Cooke Conroy
PKelly Tierney Brannigan
Conneely Comer Walsh
Subs
Sweeney Steede Molloy SKelly Gleeson Barrett OLaoi Finnerty Culhane LCostello Duane

Flynn and Daly injured. Sean Kelly carrying a slight knock I think hence is on the bench. I think 9 of that team started the Connacht final.

Interesting to see how they go, genuinely have no idea if they will be good or poor tomorrow. Tough match up as Kerry have been seething since the Cork match last year so expecting them to come out all guns blazing, Galway had a terrible post COVID lockdown season with 3 losses on the bounce and outside of Sean Kelly and Conroy - who was unplayable for club and county - not too many performed up to standard at all, good bit of pressure on there as well.
Overall there's no point getting too up or down about this league once they show some bit of form ahead of the Roscommon Connacht semi-final and aren't relegated.
That's it in a nutshell.  God only knows where some teams and players will be at in terms of prep / conditioning etc.  A clean bill of health and as close to a fully fit squad as possible going into the championship would make a welcome change for Galway.
even if you are not bother about the league for its own sake . its vitall for teams in a buildin phase  to take each match in the league as serious as possible . esp with a condensed season  where challenge matches will be few and far between.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 15, 2021, 11:55:31 AM
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Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 15, 2021, 01:06:26 PM
Much changed Roscommon team. Dublin going very strong, do they think this is a Super 8 group championship match?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on May 15, 2021, 01:30:58 PM
A few mild surprises in the Ros team (or not in it!!) with some injuries picked up in challenge games last week end I hear.
Dublin probably going serious in this Sumner mini league as they know they'll likely only have cakewalks in Leinster.
I'd be content enough if we can keep it to single figures.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 02:37:48 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 15, 2021, 01:06:26 PM
Much changed Roscommon team. Dublin going very strong, do they think this is a Super 8 group championship match?

Is that not the team that started the AI final?

Wouldn't be surprised if they just submitted that teamsheet and start something completely different.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on May 15, 2021, 03:23:59 PM
We are a f**king shambles
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 15, 2021, 03:25:43 PM
Galway a mile of the pace here and all too easy for Kerry.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 15, 2021, 03:26:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 02:37:48 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 15, 2021, 01:06:26 PM
Much changed Roscommon team. Dublin going very strong, do they think this is a Super 8 group championship match?

Is that not the team that started the AI final?

Wouldn't be surprised if they just submitted that teamsheet and start something completely different.
Cluxton and Dean Rock started the AI final.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 15, 2021, 03:29:32 PM
Bring back Kevin Welsh.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on May 15, 2021, 03:31:30 PM
Quote from: galwayman on May 15, 2021, 03:23:59 PM
We are a f**king shambles
Humiliation really, you look back at the shocking performance against Mayo last year in the league and it's a carbon copy.
Take nothing away from Kerry, playing some lovely football, far superior in all aspects and really sticking it to the inferior team.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on May 15, 2021, 03:42:23 PM
As close as I've ever come to turning off a match and doing something else, shocking stuff.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 15, 2021, 03:47:03 PM
Padraig Joyce wasn't telling a lie when he said they haven't had enough of training done. Kerry meanwhile, no way are they that fit from just 4 weeks of training.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 15, 2021, 03:53:52 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 15, 2021, 03:47:03 PM
Padraig Joyce wasn't telling a lie when he said they haven't had enough of training done. Kerry meanwhile, no way are they that fit from just 4 weeks of training.

Kerry footballers are naturally talented. They just play off the cuff. Peter Kane has released the hand brand. Kerry will play an attacking brand of football this year mark my words.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on May 15, 2021, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 15, 2021, 03:42:23 PM
As close as I've ever come to turning off a match and doing something else, shocking stuff.
I have a similar feeling. Pj it seems has learned little over the past 12 months.
Kerry playing fantastic football but the absolute rag order of us today has shocked me.
Why do we continually revert back to this lack of physical intensity - it's a joke and you just can't get away with it at this level.
We have plenty of talented players but that doesn't matter one shite if the lack of bite and defensive appetite that's on evidence today isn't addressed and sharpish.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 15, 2021, 04:06:58 PM
David Clifford a generational talent.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on May 15, 2021, 04:15:16 PM
Quote from: galwayman on May 15, 2021, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 15, 2021, 03:42:23 PM
As close as I've ever come to turning off a match and doing something else, shocking stuff.
I have a similar feeling. Pj it seems has learned little over the past 12 months.
Kerry playing fantastic football but the absolute rag order of us today has shocked me.
Why do we continually revert back to this lack of physical intensity - it's a joke and you just can't get away with it at this level.
We have plenty of talented players but that doesn't matter one shite if the lack of bite and defensive appetite that's on evidence today isn't addressed and sharpish.
A Division Four team wouldn't go out on the pitch and put in a performance as poor as this against Kerry. The space they are being afforded is incredible but they have the top players to punish it as well.
Rossies will be licking their lips at Connacht semi-final match, this is a shambles altogether from the coaching to the players on the pitch, whatever excuses they had for the Mayo match last year with the lockdown and injuries there's no dressing this up.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on May 15, 2021, 04:22:18 PM
Galway look like the days pre Kevin Walsh, a soft edge with erratic defending. At least Walsh had a more solid look to Galway. It maybe needed a bit more bite in the attack under Kevin Walsh, which it was thought Joyce would bring
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on May 15, 2021, 04:24:33 PM
Is it too much to expect that at county senior level - given that we know we don't have the level of one-on-one defenders as some other counties - we would have a proper f*cling defensive system in place? Absolutely shambolic all over the pitch.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: greatpoint on May 15, 2021, 04:38:53 PM
What was the Galway hype all about in the first place anyway?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 15, 2021, 04:39:14 PM
Kerry 22 point winners could have been more when you consider the amount of good saves Power made.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 15, 2021, 04:43:12 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 15, 2021, 04:22:18 PM
Galway look like the days pre Kevin Walsh, a soft edge with erratic defending. At least Walsh had a more solid look to Galway. It maybe needed a bit more bite in the attack under Kevin Walsh, which it was thought Joyce would bring

For some strange reason Walsh never got the credit he deserved. Took on Galway team that was a mid table Div 2 team that hadn't won Connacht for a number of years. He lead them to a Div 1 final, All Ireland semi final and a number of Connacht title which included plenty of wins over Mayo.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on May 15, 2021, 04:49:34 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 02:37:48 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 15, 2021, 01:06:26 PM
Much changed Roscommon team. Dublin going very strong, do they think this is a Super 8 group championship match?

Is that not the team that started the AI final?

Wouldn't be surprised if they just submitted that teamsheet and start something completely different.

No cluxton in that teamsheet
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: yellowcard on May 15, 2021, 05:20:59 PM
Galway were a shambles today, just looked really poor and Kerry's forwards can do damage if you give them the time and space. Cliffords goal was something else, playground stuff really only he had the composure to do it in a top level intercounty GAA match. The defending was shocking though to allow that to happen at this level of football. I doubt if Kerry will have an easier game all season. Pre Covid it looked like Galway had the tools required to rule in Connacht but Mayo and Galway have gone in polar opposite directions since then.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on May 15, 2021, 05:29:13 PM
That was honestly the worst performance I've ever seen from a Galway team. No exaggeration to say that Kerry could easily have hit 10 goals with better finishing. A division 4 side would lose heavily to Kerry but at least they would look organised doing so and would get a few tackles in.

Has to be serious questions about the management setup now although nothing will be done this late into the year so may as well play out the string now. You can argue about their form over the past while but when 3 forwards in their primes basically walk off the panel before the season it cannot be a good sign of a harmonious team environment .
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 15, 2021, 05:41:59 PM
Tyrone 0-10 Donegal 0-10 at half time, decent quality competitive contest between two well matched sides.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: J70 on May 15, 2021, 05:51:41 PM
Some very nice scoring from both sides. Both getting plenty of room to work in.

McKenna still getting used to the round ball -has mishit a couple of attempted outside-of-the-boot kicks.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: omagh_gael on May 15, 2021, 05:54:55 PM
Great start from Paul Donaghy, those free kicks weren't gimmes into that that wind. We'd have missed 50% of those sorts of frees over past years.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: yellowcard on May 15, 2021, 05:55:59 PM
The Ulster championship game between these 2 sides last year was the highest quality match I seen all of last season especially given the horrendous conditions.

Another good contest today, I think these are the 2 best teams in Ulster by some distance at the minute.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on May 15, 2021, 06:38:09 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 15, 2021, 04:43:12 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 15, 2021, 04:22:18 PM
Galway look like the days pre Kevin Walsh, a soft edge with erratic defending. At least Walsh had a more solid look to Galway. It maybe needed a bit more bite in the attack under Kevin Walsh, which it was thought Joyce would bring

For some strange reason Walsh never got the credit he deserved. Took on Galway team that was a mid table Div 2 team that hadn't won Connacht for a number of years. He lead them to a Div 1 final, All Ireland semi final and a number of Connacht title which included plenty of wins over Mayo.

Galway supporters in their own minds believed that like after Mayo coming up short in 1996 and 1997 and leading the way, Galway would come good with their good forwards and show how it should be done. This was never going to happen with the present Dublin team. And to be fair most Galway supporters did not realise the gap until they started to get out the front door in Connacht and see what it was like at that level. Walsh was in a no win situation, once he made Galway semi-succesful and hard to beat. The next step was to much, because he did not have the players. PJ is in a worse place. There is no talk of building. Walsh was supposed to have done that. PJ's résumé was suppose to contain entertainment.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 15, 2021, 06:50:41 PM
Tyrone and Mickey Harte beaten on the same day.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rois on May 15, 2021, 06:54:20 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 15, 2021, 06:50:41 PM
Tyrone and Mickey Harte beaten on the same day.
Win for Enda McGinley and Stephen O'Neill though
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: MC on May 15, 2021, 06:57:36 PM
Harsh sending off for Tyrone - second yellow.
Spoiled what was otherwise a good game.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on May 15, 2021, 07:05:38 PM
Quote from: MC on May 15, 2021, 06:57:36 PM
Harsh sending off for Tyrone - second yellow.
Spoiled what was otherwise a good game.

It was a spot on yellow - player can have zero complaints - was a rank stupid attempt at a tackle given he was already on a yellow.
It would have been a harsh red, definitiely not a harsh yellow.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 15, 2021, 07:23:39 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 15, 2021, 06:38:09 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 15, 2021, 04:43:12 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 15, 2021, 04:22:18 PM
Galway look like the days pre Kevin Walsh, a soft edge with erratic defending. At least Walsh had a more solid look to Galway. It maybe needed a bit more bite in the attack under Kevin Walsh, which it was thought Joyce would bring

For some strange reason Walsh never got the credit he deserved. Took on Galway team that was a mid table Div 2 team that hadn't won Connacht for a number of years. He lead them to a Div 1 final, All Ireland semi final and a number of Connacht title which included plenty of wins over Mayo.

Galway supporters in their own minds believed that like after Mayo coming up short in 1996 and 1997 and leading the way, Galway would come good with their good forwards and show how it should be done. This was never going to happen with the present Dublin team. And to be fair most Galway supporters did not realise the gap until they started to get out the front door in Connacht and see what it was like at that level. Walsh was in a no win situation, once he made Galway semi-succesful and hard to beat. The next step was to much, because he did not have the players. PJ is in a worse place. There is no talk of building. Walsh was supposed to have done that. PJ's résumé was suppose to contain entertainment.

No point talking about Galway playing Dublin when they cant even bate the Rossies.  They only won one championship game in Croke Park in last 20 years. They years behind  Mayo in terms of professionalism.  Look at S&C compared to Mayo.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on May 15, 2021, 07:39:27 PM
Quote from: macker15 on May 15, 2021, 07:23:39 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 15, 2021, 06:38:09 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 15, 2021, 04:43:12 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 15, 2021, 04:22:18 PM
Galway look like the days pre Kevin Walsh, a soft edge with erratic defending. At least Walsh had a more solid look to Galway. It maybe needed a bit more bite in the attack under Kevin Walsh, which it was thought Joyce would bring

For some strange reason Walsh never got the credit he deserved. Took on Galway team that was a mid table Div 2 team that hadn't won Connacht for a number of years. He lead them to a Div 1 final, All Ireland semi final and a number of Connacht title which included plenty of wins over Mayo.

Galway supporters in their own minds believed that like after Mayo coming up short in 1996 and 1997 and leading the way, Galway would come good with their good forwards and show how it should be done. This was never going to happen with the present Dublin team. And to be fair most Galway supporters did not realise the gap until they started to get out the front door in Connacht and see what it was like at that level. Walsh was in a no win situation, once he made Galway semi-succesful and hard to beat. The next step was to much, because he did not have the players. PJ is in a worse place. There is no talk of building. Walsh was supposed to have done that. PJ's résumé was suppose to contain entertainment.

No point talking about Galway playing Dublin when they cant even bate the Rossies.  They only won one championship game in Croke Park in last 20 years. They years behind  Mayo in terms of professionalism.  Look at S&C compared to Mayo.

The Galway hurlers have a proper S&C program and coach. Just look at the condition of them. With the footballers it's a case of jobs for mates sadly.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: matchfit21 on May 15, 2021, 08:46:43 PM
Donegal are now the well established kings of feigning injury, shouting and crying at refs and linesmen. It's working out in their favour at present but hopefully the officials start to see their antics for what they are.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: matchfit21 on May 15, 2021, 08:52:55 PM
If Ryan McHugh isn't shouting and calling for cards for opposing players he's rolling around the ground holding his face. Watch for it, guaranteed.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Duine Eile on May 15, 2021, 08:54:05 PM
Galway played like a gang of lads that met in the car park before the match, an abysmal performance. Any team can have a bad day out but there was no fight, no hunger, no desire to take on the Kerry team at all. I'd say not one of those Kerry boys will wake up with a bruise tomorrow, not a hand left on them all day. Fair play to Bernie Power, gets a lot of stick but in fairness he kept them from further embarrassment with the saves he made. Roscommon next, there needs to be one hell of a performance to get over this one but I don't know where it's going to come from. Pains me to say it but PJ seems out of his depth here.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 15, 2021, 09:01:39 PM
Quote from: matchfit21 on May 15, 2021, 08:52:55 PM
If Ryan McHugh isn't shouting and calling for cards for opposing players he's rolling around the ground holding his face. Watch for it, guaranteed.

Doing a lot  since spoke about his concussion.  He done same  to Cavan lad in ulster final last year.  A lot of Donegal boys are fond of clutching the head when tackled. Though there was a nasty challenge on Gary McFadden in first half.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: greatpoint on May 15, 2021, 09:29:53 PM
Quote from: matchfit21 on May 15, 2021, 08:46:43 PM
Donegal are now the well established kings of feigning injury, shouting and crying at refs and linesmen. It's working out in their favour at present but hopefully the officials start to see their antics for what they are.

Good to see Michael McKernan has recovered from the vicious strike he received in the game back in November. He was in a very bad way after that one.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Hound on May 15, 2021, 09:32:09 PM
Does Bruno Fernandez copy Ryan McHugh or McHugh copy Fernandez?!

I'm sure when the ref watches the replay he'll be very annoyed with himself to have been conned by McHugh's playacting. Fantastic player, and every team have players who try to buy frees, but he's one of the very few who clearly goes out with an intention to con the ref into given the opposition  soft cards.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 10:02:47 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 15, 2021, 07:05:38 PM
Quote from: MC on May 15, 2021, 06:57:36 PM
Harsh sending off for Tyrone - second yellow.
Spoiled what was otherwise a good game.

It was a spot on yellow - player can have zero complaints - was a rank stupid attempt at a tackle given he was already on a yellow.
It would have been a harsh red, definitiely not a harsh yellow.

Your arse. It was a foul but never a yellow or you'd be handing one out for any foul committed in a match.

McHugh was embarrassing today and it's a recurring theme with him. Diving around and shouting at referees to book opposition players should not be tolerated.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: armaghniac on May 15, 2021, 10:39:27 PM
When was the last time there was a 22 point margin in the first round in Div 1?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2021, 10:45:54 PM
Tyronies complaining about players going down clutching there face, wonder who Donegal picked it up from.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: matchfit21 on May 15, 2021, 11:27:09 PM
Did anyone catch the clip of McHugh running around screaming at officials for someone to be booked? My god it's embarrassing. I'd love teams to start highlighting it in media interviews. He's constantly reffing games or else crying and faking injury. He's a well established joke at this stage.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: J70 on May 16, 2021, 12:48:32 AM
Quote from: matchfit21 on May 15, 2021, 11:27:09 PM
Did anyone catch the clip of McHugh running around screaming at officials for someone to be booked? My god it's embarrassing. I'd love teams to start highlighting it in media interviews. He's constantly reffing games or else crying and faking injury. He's a well established joke at this stage.

You seem very upset about McHugh and Donegal.

You should start a thread.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Hound on May 16, 2021, 08:06:37 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 15, 2021, 11:55:31 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1bBmuZXsAUSQBa?format=jpg&name=small)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1bKJYvX0AAjfmv?format=jpg&name=small)
Rock seemingly injured for the Dubs, Cluxton not involved this weekend.

Subs bench:
Shiel (GK), C Basquel, Howard, Lahiff, Lowndes, C McHugh, Philly, Sean McMahon, Dara Mullin, Cian Murphy, Peadar son of Blathnid.

A bit of a changing of the guard on the bench
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 08:27:17 AM
Quote from: J70 on May 16, 2021, 12:48:32 AM
Quote from: matchfit21 on May 15, 2021, 11:27:09 PM
Did anyone catch the clip of McHugh running around screaming at officials for someone to be booked? My god it's embarrassing. I'd love teams to start highlighting it in media interviews. He's constantly reffing games or else crying and faking injury. He's a well established joke at this stage.

You seem very upset about McHugh and Donegal.

You should start a thread.

McHugh is a fine footballer, but you only have to look at him aggressively for him to go down. What makes it even more annoying is a quality player like him doesn't be getting involved in amateur theatrics on the pitch
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on May 16, 2021, 11:10:59 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 08:06:37 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 15, 2021, 11:55:31 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1bBmuZXsAUSQBa?format=jpg&name=small)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1bKJYvX0AAjfmv?format=jpg&name=small)
Rock seemingly injured for the Dubs, Cluxton not involved this weekend.

Subs bench:
Shiel (GK), C Basquel, Howard, Lahiff, Lowndes, C McHugh, Philly, Sean McMahon, Dara Mullin, Cian Murphy, Peadar son of Blathnid.

A bit of a changing of the guard on the bench
Another "golden generation"?
Hopefully we'll keep the ball kicked out to ye :-\
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: J70 on May 16, 2021, 11:38:51 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 08:27:17 AM
Quote from: J70 on May 16, 2021, 12:48:32 AM
Quote from: matchfit21 on May 15, 2021, 11:27:09 PM
Did anyone catch the clip of McHugh running around screaming at officials for someone to be booked? My god it's embarrassing. I'd love teams to start highlighting it in media interviews. He's constantly reffing games or else crying and faking injury. He's a well established joke at this stage.

You seem very upset about McHugh and Donegal.

You should start a thread.

McHugh is a fine footballer, but you only have to look at him aggressively for him to go down. What makes it even more annoying is a quality player like him doesn't be getting involved in amateur theatrics on the pitch

It's also annoying when every time he is clotheslined or hit with a high tackle that he gets accused of diving. That included that spell a few years ago when he had to take break from football after getting a couple of concussions (including a brain bleed) in a matter of months, partly due to getting cleaned out of it in matches against Dublin, Kildare and Tyrone.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Mayo Border on May 16, 2021, 01:58:12 PM
Diarmuid Murtagh missed in front of open goal. Some nice points by Ross. Dubs appear in 2nd gear.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Hound on May 16, 2021, 01:58:44 PM
Good start to the game but some miss by the Roscommon lad. Seemed to be attempting to palm it over the bar despite having an open goal to aim at, but when he closed his eyes he couldn't even do that.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rudi on May 16, 2021, 02:03:32 PM
The offensive mark is a load of dung.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:06:29 PM
Was outside the square and wasn't a black card.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 16, 2021, 02:08:15 PM
The Dublin penalty looked like a foul outside the area. That decision probably ends this game as a contest now
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Mayo Border on May 16, 2021, 02:09:48 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:06:29 PM
Was outside the square and wasn't a black card.
Surely that's a bullshyte rule. Refs are going to be slated whether they give the penalty or not. Good dive by Small all the same
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:17:56 PM
Is there not a new rule in that a black card offence + stopping a goalscoring chance = penalty ?

I assumed that's why the pen was given
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:17:56 PM
Is there not a new rule in that a black card offence + stopping a goalscoring chance = penalty ?

I assumed that's why the pen was given

Wasn't a black card.

https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1393916706033217542
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rudi on May 16, 2021, 02:25:41 PM
Roscommon on Dublins kick outs are cat, surrender the kick out fair enough, their placement of players thereafter is baffling. They should be placed between their own 30 and 45. Instead they have lads doing nothing. Tis men against boys, although it could be level, no penalty for Dubs & Murtagh had a shocking miss.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 16, 2021, 02:28:29 PM
Quote from: Mayo Border on May 16, 2021, 02:09:48 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:06:29 PM
Was outside the square and wasn't a black card.
Surely that's a bullshyte rule. Refs are going to be slated whether they give the penalty or not. Good dive by Small all the same

Unfortunately top teams get all the big calls.  Mayo lads diving yesterday got the handy frees whereas Down had to be assaulted to win free. Same today Rossies getting nowt from referee.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 02:32:20 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:17:56 PM
Is there not a new rule in that a black card offence + stopping a goalscoring chance = penalty ?

I assumed that's why the pen was given

Cynical foul inside the the 21 is now a penalty and a black card. The fact the foul was outside the penalty area was irrelevant.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:33:31 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:17:56 PM
Is there not a new rule in that a black card offence + stopping a goalscoring chance = penalty ?

I assumed that's why the pen was given

Wasn't a black card.

https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1393916706033217542
You don't think the defender deliberately took him down? The trip was the key.
The ref obviously thought it black. Very careless from the defender at the least. 
It was a 100% a foul, with the attempt at stopping the goalscoring opportunity. 

So as I understand the new temporary rules, once the ref decides it is black, and decides it's a goalscoring chance, then he has to award the penalty regardless of where the foul takes place.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:33:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 02:32:20 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:17:56 PM
Is there not a new rule in that a black card offence + stopping a goalscoring chance = penalty ?

I assumed that's why the pen was given

Cynical foul inside the the 21 is now a penalty and a black card. The fact the foul was outside the penalty area was irrelevant.

It wasn't a cynical foul though. If that's classified as one then there'll be 10 black cards awarded a game.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 16, 2021, 02:35:29 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:17:56 PM
Is there not a new rule in that a black card offence + stopping a goalscoring chance = penalty ?

I assumed that's why the pen was given
Yes but that incident was a yellow card offence and free in for Dublin instead of a penalty.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:36:15 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:33:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 02:32:20 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:17:56 PM
Is there not a new rule in that a black card offence + stopping a goalscoring chance = penalty ?

I assumed that's why the pen was given

Cynical foul inside the the 21 is now a penalty and a black card. The fact the foul was outside the penalty area was irrelevant.

It wasn't a cynical foul though. If that's classified as one then there'll be 10 black cards awarded a game.
Not cynical? Really?. There was no attempt to play the ball. A definite deliberate foul.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 02:36:24 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:33:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 02:32:20 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:17:56 PM
Is there not a new rule in that a black card offence + stopping a goalscoring chance = penalty ?

I assumed that's why the pen was given

Cynical foul inside the the 21 is now a penalty and a black card. The fact the foul was outside the penalty area was irrelevant.

It wasn't a cynical foul though. If that's classified as one then there'll be 10 black cards awarded a game.
Small was in on goal and was tripped. If that happened on half way line it's not a goal scoring chance and no black card is given. That's the key difference and the reason there wouldn't be 10 black cards a game for that type of foul
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: weareros on May 16, 2021, 02:40:34 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 02:36:24 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:33:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 02:32:20 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:17:56 PM
Is there not a new rule in that a black card offence + stopping a goalscoring chance = penalty ?

I assumed that's why the pen was given

Cynical foul inside the the 21 is now a penalty and a black card. The fact the foul was outside the penalty area was irrelevant.

It wasn't a cynical foul though. If that's classified as one then there'll be 10 black cards awarded a game.
Small was in on goal and was tripped. If that happened on half way line it's not a goal scoring chance and no black card is given. That's the key difference and the reason there wouldn't be 10 black cards a game for that type of foul

Small didn't even have control of ball. A smaller team would have got a free and that's about it.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:48:53 PM
Another penalty and black card.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:36:15 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:33:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 02:32:20 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:17:56 PM
Is there not a new rule in that a black card offence + stopping a goalscoring chance = penalty ?

I assumed that's why the pen was given

Cynical foul inside the the 21 is now a penalty and a black card. The fact the foul was outside the penalty area was irrelevant.

It wasn't a cynical foul though. If that's classified as one then there'll be 10 black cards awarded a game.
Not cynical? Really?. There was no attempt to play the ball. A definite deliberate foul.

Why didn't Fenton get a black card just then for the foul in the middle of the park? There was no attempt to play the ball.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 16, 2021, 02:57:57 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:48:53 PM
Another penalty and black card.

Ridiculous
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:59:26 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:36:15 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:33:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 02:32:20 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:17:56 PM
Is there not a new rule in that a black card offence + stopping a goalscoring chance = penalty ?

I assumed that's why the pen was given

Cynical foul inside the the 21 is now a penalty and a black card. The fact the foul was outside the penalty area was irrelevant.

It wasn't a cynical foul though. If that's classified as one then there'll be 10 black cards awarded a game.
Not cynical? Really?. There was no attempt to play the ball. A definite deliberate foul.

Why didn't Fenton get a black card just then for the foul in the middle of the park? There was no attempt to play the ball.

Again, Con O'Callaghan just dragged down a Roscommon player. No attempt to play the ball and no black card.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rudi on May 16, 2021, 03:03:17 PM
A lot of cynical fouling by Dubs going relatively unpunished.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 16, 2021, 03:03:24 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:36:15 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:33:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 02:32:20 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:17:56 PM
Is there not a new rule in that a black card offence + stopping a goalscoring chance = penalty ?

I assumed that's why the pen was given

Cynical foul inside the the 21 is now a penalty and a black card. The fact the foul was outside the penalty area was irrelevant.

It wasn't a cynical foul though. If that's classified as one then there'll be 10 black cards awarded a game.
Not cynical? Really?. There was no attempt to play the ball. A definite deliberate foul.

Why didn't Fenton get a black card just then for the foul in the middle of the park? There was no attempt to play the ball.
Different rules for Dublin
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 16, 2021, 03:07:13 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:59:26 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:36:15 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:33:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 02:32:20 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:17:56 PM
Is there not a new rule in that a black card offence + stopping a goalscoring chance = penalty ?

I assumed that's why the pen was given

Cynical foul inside the the 21 is now a penalty and a black card. The fact the foul was outside the penalty area was irrelevant.

It wasn't a cynical foul though. If that's classified as one then there'll be 10 black cards awarded a game.
Not cynical? Really?. There was no attempt to play the ball. A definite deliberate foul.

Why didn't Fenton get a black card just then for the foul in the middle of the park? There was no attempt to play the ball.

Again, Con O'Callaghan just dragged down a Roscommon player. No attempt to play the ball and no black card.

A player grabbing near hand and opposing falling/diving to ground doesn't warrant a black card however it I'd grey area that could be looked at.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 16, 2021, 03:09:53 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 16, 2021, 03:03:24 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:36:15 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:33:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 02:32:20 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:17:56 PM
Is there not a new rule in that a black card offence + stopping a goalscoring chance = penalty ?

I assumed that's why the pen was given

Cynical foul inside the the 21 is now a penalty and a black card. The fact the foul was outside the penalty area was irrelevant.

It wasn't a cynical foul though. If that's classified as one then there'll be 10 black cards awarded a game.
Not cynical? Really?. There was no attempt to play the ball. A definite deliberate foul.

Why didn't Fenton get a black card just then for the foul in the middle of the park? There was no attempt to play the ball.
Different rules for Dublin

🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 03:16:04 PM
Quote from: macker15 on May 16, 2021, 03:07:13 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:59:26 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:36:15 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:33:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 02:32:20 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:17:56 PM
Is there not a new rule in that a black card offence + stopping a goalscoring chance = penalty ?

I assumed that's why the pen was given

Cynical foul inside the the 21 is now a penalty and a black card. The fact the foul was outside the penalty area was irrelevant.

It wasn't a cynical foul though. If that's classified as one then there'll be 10 black cards awarded a game.
Not cynical? Really?. There was no attempt to play the ball. A definite deliberate foul.

Why didn't Fenton get a black card just then for the foul in the middle of the park? There was no attempt to play the ball.

Again, Con O'Callaghan just dragged down a Roscommon player. No attempt to play the ball and no black card.

A player grabbing near hand and opposing falling/diving to ground doesn't warrant a black card however it I'd grey area that could be looked at.

I agree. I think awarding a black card for any foul where there was no attempt to play the ball would result in chaos.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Nanderson on May 16, 2021, 03:17:21 PM
It has to be a black card foul so only a body check or drag down/deliberate trip would result in an automatic penalty
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 16, 2021, 03:25:09 PM
How was that a foot block? He was at least a metre away from the ball being kicked
It was in no way dangerous
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 03:26:49 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 16, 2021, 03:25:09 PM
How was that a foot block? He was at least a metre away from the ball being kicked
It was in no way dangerous
That's hilarious 😂 He dived feet first right in front of him. If you putting together a demonstration video of what a foot block is you could use this as an example
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 16, 2021, 03:28:00 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 16, 2021, 03:25:09 PM
How was that a foot block? He was at least a metre away from the ball being kicked
It was in no way dangerous

🤣🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rudi on May 16, 2021, 03:36:55 PM
Fair play to Costello, did the decent thing
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on May 16, 2021, 03:40:46 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:36:15 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:33:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 02:32:20 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:17:56 PM
Is there not a new rule in that a black card offence + stopping a goalscoring chance = penalty ?

I assumed that's why the pen was given

Cynical foul inside the the 21 is now a penalty and a black card. The fact the foul was outside the penalty area was irrelevant.

It wasn't a cynical foul though. If that's classified as one then there'll be 10 black cards awarded a game.
Not cynical? Really?. There was no attempt to play the ball. A definite deliberate foul.

Why didn't Fenton get a black card just then for the foul in the middle of the park? There was no attempt to play the ball.
It doesn't matter if there's an attempt to play the ball or not.
There is a list of offences in the rule book that merit a black card. No matter how cynical a foul is - if it isn't on that list it isn't a black card
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 03:42:32 PM
Quote from: galwayman on May 16, 2021, 03:40:46 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:36:15 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 16, 2021, 02:33:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 02:32:20 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 16, 2021, 02:17:56 PM
Is there not a new rule in that a black card offence + stopping a goalscoring chance = penalty ?

I assumed that's why the pen was given

Cynical foul inside the the 21 is now a penalty and a black card. The fact the foul was outside the penalty area was irrelevant.

It wasn't a cynical foul though. If that's classified as one then there'll be 10 black cards awarded a game.
Not cynical? Really?. There was no attempt to play the ball. A definite deliberate foul.

Why didn't Fenton get a black card just then for the foul in the middle of the park? There was no attempt to play the ball.
It doesn't matter if there's an attempt to play the ball or not.
There is a list of offences in the rule book that merit a black card. No matter how cynical a foul is - if it isn't on that list it isn't a black card

I think you need to go back and read the posts you're replying to.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on May 16, 2021, 03:44:58 PM
I'm not well up on the new rules so maybe I'm missing some new interpretation - but one of the most obvious looking black cards wasn't given at the end of the Monaghan/Armagh first half, when a Monaghan forward was pulled back from being straight through on goal after a poor kickout. I've no idea how the officials arrive at some of these decisions.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on May 16, 2021, 03:46:32 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 16, 2021, 03:44:58 PM
I'm not well up on the new rules so maybe I'm missing some new interpretation - but one of the most obvious looking black cards wasn't given at the end of the Monaghan/Armagh first half, when a Monaghan forward was pulled back from being straight through on goal after a poor kickout. I've no idea how the officials arrive at some of these decisions.

Bizarre decision. Thought it was also might have been a penalty as well but im not sure. You won't see a clearer black all year though
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on May 16, 2021, 03:56:08 PM
We weren't disgraced but the inevitable result whenever the MONSTER meets a little rural County.
1st penalty was probably correct
2nd Never.  . How is a forward facing the endline a goal scoring opportunity.
3rd No way either, Niall D was a metre away from the kicker.
We still have no defence or midfield and take an age to get the ball to the Shooters.
I suppose now that game is out of the way we can start engaging with the mini League.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on May 16, 2021, 04:13:34 PM
Good game of football in this second half between Monaghan and Armagh, trading score for score. 1-11 a piece after 52 minutes

Highlight of the second half imo was a lovely free right on the sideline around the 21 by Aaron Mulligan
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 16, 2021, 04:19:43 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 16, 2021, 03:56:08 PM
We weren't disgraced but the inevitable result whenever the MONSTER meets a little rural County.
1st penalty was probably correct
2nd Never.  . How is a forward facing the endline a goal scoring opportunity.
3rd No way either, Niall D was a metre away from the kicker.
We still have no defence or midfield and take an age to get the ball to the Shooters.
I suppose now that game is out of the way we can start engaging with the mini League.
None of them should have been penalties. A prime example of a poor ref left more confused by the new rules.

1-11 of Dublins scores came from placed balls, Roscommon have a lot of work to do on their tackling. Ciarán Murtagh, Donie Smith looked lively.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: balladmaker on May 16, 2021, 04:38:28 PM
Great win for Armagh, and nice to see them close a game out!
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2021, 04:43:27 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on May 16, 2021, 04:38:28 PM
Great win for Armagh, and nice to see them close a game out!

And fully deserved, looked fit for the first match of the year. One more win should keep Armagh up but won't be easy against Tyrone, Donegal.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on May 16, 2021, 04:45:42 PM
It was well deserved for Armagh, defended in swarms, much more clinical is front of goal and made the point scoring  look less arduos.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 16, 2021, 05:07:24 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 03:26:49 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 16, 2021, 03:25:09 PM
How was that a foot block? He was at least a metre away from the ball being kicked
It was in no way dangerous
That's hilarious 😂 He dived feet first right in front of him. If you putting together a demonstration video of what a foot block is you could use this as an example
You don't know the rule.
A foot block is a block on the kicking action not the ball going through air
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on May 16, 2021, 05:08:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 16, 2021, 03:56:08 PM
We weren't disgraced but the inevitable result whenever the MONSTER meets a little rural County.
1st penalty was probably correct
2nd Never.  . How is a forward facing the endline a goal scoring opportunity.
3rd No way either, Niall D was a metre away from the kicker.
We still have no defence or midfield and take an age to get the ball to the Shooters.
I suppose now that game is out of the way we can start engaging with the mini League.
Ros v unlucky not to be in the other group. The imbalance is nuts.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on May 16, 2021, 05:47:07 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 16, 2021, 05:07:24 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 03:26:49 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 16, 2021, 03:25:09 PM
How was that a foot block? He was at least a metre away from the ball being kicked
It was in no way dangerous
That's hilarious 😂 He dived feet first right in front of him. If you putting together a demonstration video of what a foot block is you could use this as an example
You don't know the rule.
A foot block is a block on the kicking action not the ball going through air
It's one thing some anonymous gazebo on an Internet forum not knowing the rule but an established inter County Ref .....
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 06:47:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 16, 2021, 05:47:07 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 16, 2021, 05:07:24 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 03:26:49 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 16, 2021, 03:25:09 PM
How was that a foot block? He was at least a metre away from the ball being kicked
It was in no way dangerous
That's hilarious 😂 He dived feet first right in front of him. If you putting together a demonstration video of what a foot block is you could use this as an example
You don't know the rule.
A foot block is a block on the kicking action not the ball going through air
It's one thing some anonymous gazebo on an Internet forum not knowing the rule but an established inter County Ref .....

Do you know what a foot block is? From the GAA website:
Cautionable Infractions (Yellow Cards)

1. To block or attempt to block with the boot when an opponent is kicking the ball from the hand(s).

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Angelo on May 16, 2021, 07:01:33 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 06:47:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 16, 2021, 05:47:07 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 16, 2021, 05:07:24 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 03:26:49 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 16, 2021, 03:25:09 PM
How was that a foot block? He was at least a metre away from the ball being kicked
It was in no way dangerous
That's hilarious 😂 He dived feet first right in front of him. If you putting together a demonstration video of what a foot block is you could use this as an example
You don't know the rule.
A foot block is a block on the kicking action not the ball going through air
It's one thing some anonymous gazebo on an Internet forum not knowing the rule but an established inter County Ref .....

Do you know what a foot block is? From the GAA website:
Cautionable Infractions (Yellow Cards)

1. To block or attempt to block with the boot when an opponent is kicking the ball from the hand(s).

Comical Ali strikes again.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on May 16, 2021, 07:11:43 PM
Quote from: straightred on May 16, 2021, 03:46:32 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 16, 2021, 03:44:58 PM
I'm not well up on the new rules so maybe I'm missing some new interpretation - but one of the most obvious looking black cards wasn't given at the end of the Monaghan/Armagh first half, when a Monaghan forward was pulled back from being straight through on goal after a poor kickout. I've no idea how the officials arrive at some of these decisions.

Bizarre decision. Thought it was also might have been a penalty as well but im not sure. You won't see a clearer black all year though

Was outside the big square. Kennedy was a very lucky boy tho.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on May 16, 2021, 08:08:58 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 06:47:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 16, 2021, 05:47:07 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 16, 2021, 05:07:24 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 03:26:49 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 16, 2021, 03:25:09 PM
How was that a foot block? He was at least a metre away from the ball being kicked
It was in no way dangerous
That's hilarious 😂 He dived feet first right in front of him. If you putting together a demonstration video of what a foot block is you could use this as an example
You don't know the rule.
A foot block is a block on the kicking action not the ball going through air
It's one thing some anonymous gazebo on an Internet forum not knowing the rule but an established inter County Ref .....

Do you know what a foot block is? From the GAA website:
Cautionable Infractions (Yellow Cards)

1. To block or attempt to block with the boot when an opponent is kicking the ball from the hand(s).
Ball was already kicked.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Ed Ricketts on May 16, 2021, 08:22:13 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 16, 2021, 07:11:43 PM
Quote from: straightred on May 16, 2021, 03:46:32 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 16, 2021, 03:44:58 PM
I'm not well up on the new rules so maybe I'm missing some new interpretation - but one of the most obvious looking black cards wasn't given at the end of the Monaghan/Armagh first half, when a Monaghan forward was pulled back from being straight through on goal after a poor kickout. I've no idea how the officials arrive at some of these decisions.

Bizarre decision. Thought it was also might have been a penalty as well but im not sure. You won't see a clearer black all year though

Was outside the big square. Kennedy was a very lucky boy tho.

Rules have changed tonto. 'Cynical' foul anywhere inside the 21 or the D that stops a goal scoring opportunity is now a penalty. Not sure if Kennedy's foul was inside the 21 though, maybe just outside.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on May 16, 2021, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 16, 2021, 08:22:13 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 16, 2021, 07:11:43 PM
Quote from: straightred on May 16, 2021, 03:46:32 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 16, 2021, 03:44:58 PM
I'm not well up on the new rules so maybe I'm missing some new interpretation - but one of the most obvious looking black cards wasn't given at the end of the Monaghan/Armagh first half, when a Monaghan forward was pulled back from being straight through on goal after a poor kickout. I've no idea how the officials arrive at some of these decisions.

Bizarre decision. Thought it was also might have been a penalty as well but im not sure. You won't see a clearer black all year though

Was outside the big square. Kennedy was a very lucky boy tho.

Rules have changed tonto. 'Cynical' foul anywhere inside the 21 or the D that stops a goal scoring opportunity is now a penalty. Not sure if Kennedy's foul was inside the 21 though, maybe just outside.

Ah right. Didn't know that. Couldn't say if he was outside the 21 or not. Woukd need to watch again. Either way he was very lucky
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 09:02:39 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 16, 2021, 08:08:58 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 06:47:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 16, 2021, 05:47:07 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 16, 2021, 05:07:24 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 16, 2021, 03:26:49 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 16, 2021, 03:25:09 PM
How was that a foot block? He was at least a metre away from the ball being kicked
It was in no way dangerous
That's hilarious 😂 He dived feet first right in front of him. If you putting together a demonstration video of what a foot block is you could use this as an example
You don't know the rule.
A foot block is a block on the kicking action not the ball going through air
It's one thing some anonymous gazebo on an Internet forum not knowing the rule but an established inter County Ref .....

Do you know what a foot block is? From the GAA website:
Cautionable Infractions (Yellow Cards)

1. To block or attempt to block with the boot when an opponent is kicking the ball from the hand(s).
Ball was already kicked.
As Fenton kicked it the Roscommon player threw himself in front of the ball feet first to block it. You can't block the shot until he kicks it so obviously the ball is being kicked when he blocked it. The Roscommon player doesn't have to touch Fenton for it to be a penalty.

I thought the 2nd one was more questionable. Roscommon defender got caught the wrong side of the dub, but he was on the end line so if he hadn't given a black card there wouldn't have been too many complaints
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on May 16, 2021, 10:15:38 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 16, 2021, 08:22:13 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 16, 2021, 07:11:43 PM
Quote from: straightred on May 16, 2021, 03:46:32 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 16, 2021, 03:44:58 PM
I'm not well up on the new rules so maybe I'm missing some new interpretation - but one of the most obvious looking black cards wasn't given at the end of the Monaghan/Armagh first half, when a Monaghan forward was pulled back from being straight through on goal after a poor kickout. I've no idea how the officials arrive at some of these decisions.

Bizarre decision. Thought it was also might have been a penalty as well but im not sure. You won't see a clearer black all year though

Was outside the big square. Kennedy was a very lucky boy tho.

Rules have changed tonto. 'Cynical' foul anywhere inside the 21 or the D that stops a goal scoring opportunity is now a penalty. Not sure if Kennedy's foul was inside the 21 though, maybe just outside.
He couldn't give the penalty if he didnt give the black card as the rule wouldn't apply then. Armagh still won well anyway but lets just say Brannigan is a poor ref and leave it at that.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Never beat the deeler on May 16, 2021, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: straightred on May 16, 2021, 10:15:38 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 16, 2021, 08:22:13 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 16, 2021, 07:11:43 PM
Quote from: straightred on May 16, 2021, 03:46:32 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 16, 2021, 03:44:58 PM
I'm not well up on the new rules so maybe I'm missing some new interpretation - but one of the most obvious looking black cards wasn't given at the end of the Monaghan/Armagh first half, when a Monaghan forward was pulled back from being straight through on goal after a poor kickout. I've no idea how the officials arrive at some of these decisions.

Bizarre decision. Thought it was also might have been a penalty as well but im not sure. You won't see a clearer black all year though

Was outside the big square. Kennedy was a very lucky boy tho.

Rules have changed tonto. 'Cynical' foul anywhere inside the 21 or the D that stops a goal scoring opportunity is now a penalty. Not sure if Kennedy's foul was inside the 21 though, maybe just outside.
He couldn't give the penalty if he didnt give the black card as the rule wouldn't apply then. Armagh still won well anyway but lets just say Brannigan is a poor ref and leave it at that.

but don't the definitions of 'cynical fouls' still apply? So a pull back isn't a cynical foul and can't be included as a black card or cynical penalty. If he had body collided / tripped him it may have been a different story.
Blame may be with the rule rather than the refq
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on May 16, 2021, 11:38:29 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on May 16, 2021, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: straightred on May 16, 2021, 10:15:38 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 16, 2021, 08:22:13 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 16, 2021, 07:11:43 PM
Quote from: straightred on May 16, 2021, 03:46:32 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 16, 2021, 03:44:58 PM
I'm not well up on the new rules so maybe I'm missing some new interpretation - but one of the most obvious looking black cards wasn't given at the end of the Monaghan/Armagh first half, when a Monaghan forward was pulled back from being straight through on goal after a poor kickout. I've no idea how the officials arrive at some of these decisions.

Bizarre decision. Thought it was also might have been a penalty as well but im not sure. You won't see a clearer black all year though

Was outside the big square. Kennedy was a very lucky boy tho.

Rules have changed tonto. 'Cynical' foul anywhere inside the 21 or the D that stops a goal scoring opportunity is now a penalty. Not sure if Kennedy's foul was inside the 21 though, maybe just outside.
He couldn't give the penalty if he didnt give the black card as the rule wouldn't apply then. Armagh still won well anyway but lets just say Brannigan is a poor ref and leave it at that.

but don't the definitions of 'cynical fouls' still apply? So a pull back isn't a cynical foul and can't be included as a black card or cynical penalty. If he had body collided / tripped him it may have been a different story.
Blame may be with the rule rather than the refq
Under the new rules IMO it was a penalty/black card,  although Brannigan blew up for the foul I don't think he saw the whole encounter that's why he consulted with the umpire, hardly ever an illuminating conversation.  All academic really  as Armagh were always ahead and led from pillar to post.
Other than that incident I thought Brannigan did well, at least better than my expectations.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Never beat the deeler on May 17, 2021, 12:29:08 AM
Quote from: Main Street on May 16, 2021, 11:38:29 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on May 16, 2021, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: straightred on May 16, 2021, 10:15:38 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 16, 2021, 08:22:13 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 16, 2021, 07:11:43 PM
Quote from: straightred on May 16, 2021, 03:46:32 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 16, 2021, 03:44:58 PM
I'm not well up on the new rules so maybe I'm missing some new interpretation - but one of the most obvious looking black cards wasn't given at the end of the Monaghan/Armagh first half, when a Monaghan forward was pulled back from being straight through on goal after a poor kickout. I've no idea how the officials arrive at some of these decisions.

Bizarre decision. Thought it was also might have been a penalty as well but im not sure. You won't see a clearer black all year though

Was outside the big square. Kennedy was a very lucky boy tho.

Rules have changed tonto. 'Cynical' foul anywhere inside the 21 or the D that stops a goal scoring opportunity is now a penalty. Not sure if Kennedy's foul was inside the 21 though, maybe just outside.
He couldn't give the penalty if he didnt give the black card as the rule wouldn't apply then. Armagh still won well anyway but lets just say Brannigan is a poor ref and leave it at that.

but don't the definitions of 'cynical fouls' still apply? So a pull back isn't a cynical foul and can't be included as a black card or cynical penalty. If he had body collided / tripped him it may have been a different story.
Blame may be with the rule rather than the refq
Under the new rules IMO it was a penalty/black card,  although Brannigan blew up for the foul I don't think he saw the whole encounter that's why he consulted with the umpire, hardly ever an illuminating conversation.  All academic really  as Armagh were always ahead and led from pillar to post.
Other than that incident I thought Brannigan did well, at least better than my expectations.

Didn't see the incident, so my interest is purely academic.
Are you saying it was a penalty/black card because the foul was one of the 'nominated' cynical fouls? Or are you saying that the definition of a cynical foul has been widened with the introduction of the new rule?

Original post in this quote from Shkite refers to the player being pulled back
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: balladmaker on May 17, 2021, 08:09:44 AM
For the games next weekend being shown on Eir Sport, how does one watch Eir Sport in the north?  The GaaGo website says 'Available: All countries except Island of Ireland' ... so looks like Eir is the only option. 
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: lurganblue on May 17, 2021, 09:44:20 AM
Good to see that no matter what division Armagh are in, RTE give them the same minimal few seconds of coverage and chat.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Angelo on May 17, 2021, 09:48:15 AM
To be fair, the coverage as a whole is a joke.

The hurling and football shows should be separate with adequate time served to each. The football alone warrants a 2 hour slot probably if you want to cover the four divisions.

So what you are left with is them trying to cover everything in a minimal amount of time.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: lurganblue on May 17, 2021, 09:49:41 AM
On the game it's self, yeah i'd have to say that Kennedy was a lucky boy to not get a black card.  In the long run I don't think it would have mattered.  At times I thought Armagh looked comfortable, and had another gear.

Still frustrating that with seconds left we managed to allow a relatively decent goal chance.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Taylor on May 17, 2021, 11:04:36 AM
All in all I think it was a poor performance for us and when McShane does come back we need him to be flying - a big ask.

We still persist with this pulling and hauling off the ball - other teams naturally do the same but are cuter about it.

You could see Bonner over giving out to McQuillan at half time - that may have influenced some 50/50 calls in the second half.

Ryan McHugh is now up there challenging Murphy for the biggest yap on the field.

I would like to see Canavan and Bradley get more time on the field together to stretch defences more
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: balladmaker on May 17, 2021, 11:44:15 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 17, 2021, 09:44:20 AM
Good to see that no matter what division Armagh are in, RTE give them the same minimal few seconds of coverage and chat.

Last night's coverage was awful, almost as if this Div. 1 game was getting in the way of talking about the big teams.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: lurganblue on May 17, 2021, 01:40:01 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 17, 2021, 11:04:36 AM
All in all I think it was a poor performance for us and when McShane does come back we need him to be flying - a big ask.

We still persist with this pulling and hauling off the ball - other teams naturally do the same but are cuter about it.

You could see Bonner over giving out to McQuillan at half time - that may have influenced some 50/50 calls in the second half.

Ryan McHugh is now up there challenging Murphy for the biggest yap on the field.

I would like to see Canavan and Bradley get more time on the field together to stretch defences more

The tackle on him wasn't a 2nd yellow in my book. I'd agree with your statement there.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: smelmoth on May 17, 2021, 02:42:10 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 17, 2021, 09:44:20 AM
Good to see that no matter what division Armagh are in, RTE give them the same minimal few seconds of coverage and chat.

Given the 4 games in Division 1 that was always the likely one to get reduced coverage. You would expect it to be different when we play Tyrone and Donegal.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: smelmoth on May 17, 2021, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 17, 2021, 09:48:15 AM
To be fair, the coverage as a whole is a joke.

The hurling and football shows should be separate with adequate time served to each. The football alone warrants a 2 hour slot probably if you want to cover the four divisions.

So what you are left with is them trying to cover everything in a minimal amount of time.

Warrants?

How many would watch a 2 hour football programme especially if it's going to plumb the depths of Division 4 when there would be a separate hurling programme.

Never going to happen
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on May 17, 2021, 02:56:14 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on May 17, 2021, 08:09:44 AM
For the games next weekend being shown on Eir Sport, how does one watch Eir Sport in the north?  The GaaGo website says 'Available: All countries except Island of Ireland' ... so looks like Eir is the only option.

I have eir sport free with my sky sports package
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on May 17, 2021, 03:09:30 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on May 17, 2021, 08:09:44 AM
For the games next weekend being shown on Eir Sport, how does one watch Eir Sport in the north?  The GaaGo website says 'Available: All countries except Island of Ireland' ... so looks like Eir is the only option.
If you have a VPN you can purchase the individual games for a tenner.
Unfortunately, I did this for Galway Kerry on Saturday!
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Angelo on May 17, 2021, 05:59:40 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 17, 2021, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 17, 2021, 09:48:15 AM
To be fair, the coverage as a whole is a joke.

The hurling and football shows should be separate with adequate time served to each. The football alone warrants a 2 hour slot probably if you want to cover the four divisions.

So what you are left with is them trying to cover everything in a minimal amount of time.

Warrants?

How many would watch a 2 hour football programme especially if it's going to plumb the depths of Division 4 when there would be a separate hurling programme.

Never going to happen

Oh you're being contrary again.

I'll leave it to you so.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 17, 2021, 07:54:40 PM
Jesus could you imagine 2 hours of punditry on football?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Angelo on May 17, 2021, 08:15:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 17, 2021, 07:54:40 PM
Jesus could you imagine 2 hours of punditry on football?

How would it be 2 hours of punditry?

The majority of the show should be showing matches. The criticism levied here is that the Armagh-Monaghan game amounted to a 1 minute highlight reel when it should probably have had about 10.

You would be doing well to fit sufficient coverage of 16 league matches into a 2 hour show at that.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 17, 2021, 09:00:31 PM
TG4 run a highlight show which gives you what you need, no codswallop from jumped up attention seeking pundits.

Make your own opinion, but keep it to yourself  ;)
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 17, 2021, 09:28:04 PM
the media lads are already blowing up Kerry v Dublin as a rehearsal for later in the year
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Orior on May 17, 2021, 09:48:36 PM
I didn't get to see the Monaghan v Armagh match but I did see the Tyrone v Donegal match.

I absolutely detest the practice of getting 14 or 15 men behind the ball and as a spectacle I think it is killing the game. Therefore I would like to see a few more rule changes, e.g. full forwards cannot cross the halfway line. 
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: armaghniac on May 17, 2021, 10:14:15 PM
Quote from: Orior on May 17, 2021, 09:48:36 PM
I didn't get to see the Monaghan v Armagh match but I did see the Tyrone v Donegal match.

If you in Ireland it is on the TG4 player, if you want to see Armagh's first Div 1 victory in a while.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on May 17, 2021, 11:24:52 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on May 17, 2021, 12:29:08 AM
Quote from: Main Street on May 16, 2021, 11:38:29 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on May 16, 2021, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: straightred on May 16, 2021, 10:15:38 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 16, 2021, 08:22:13 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 16, 2021, 07:11:43 PM
Quote from: straightred on May 16, 2021, 03:46:32 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 16, 2021, 03:44:58 PM
I'm not well up on the new rules so maybe I'm missing some new interpretation - but one of the most obvious looking black cards wasn't given at the end of the Monaghan/Armagh first half, when a Monaghan forward was pulled back from being straight through on goal after a poor kickout. I've no idea how the officials arrive at some of these decisions.

Bizarre decision. Thought it was also might have been a penalty as well but im not sure. You won't see a clearer black all year though

Was outside the big square. Kennedy was a very lucky boy tho.

Rules have changed tonto. 'Cynical' foul anywhere inside the 21 or the D that stops a goal scoring opportunity is now a penalty. Not sure if Kennedy's foul was inside the 21 though, maybe just outside.
He couldn't give the penalty if he didnt give the black card as the rule wouldn't apply then. Armagh still won well anyway but lets just say Brannigan is a poor ref and leave it at that.

but don't the definitions of 'cynical fouls' still apply? So a pull back isn't a cynical foul and can't be included as a black card or cynical penalty. If he had body collided / tripped him it may have been a different story.
Blame may be with the rule rather than the refq
Under the new rules IMO it was a penalty/black card,  although Brannigan blew up for the foul I don't think he saw the whole encounter that's why he consulted with the umpire, hardly ever an illuminating conversation.  All academic really  as Armagh were always ahead and led from pillar to post.
Other than that incident I thought Brannigan did well, at least better than my expectations.

Didn't see the incident, so my interest is purely academic.
Are you saying it was a penalty/black card because the foul was one of the 'nominated' cynical fouls? Or are you saying that the definition of a cynical foul has been widened with the introduction of the new rule?

Original post in this quote from Shkite refers to the player being pulled back
I'm saying that  under the current new (trial) rule it was a penalty/black card offence.
Monaghan's Sean Jones was dragged to the ground when clearly inside the 20m line.

From RTE Allianz Football League results and reports
15:36
29mins Monaghan 1-05 Armagh 1-06

A sloppy kick-out sees Sean Jones intercept the ball but he was hauled down by the last defender Ryan Kennedy. A free just outside the square is the result, which Aaron Mulligan converts, but it appears that Kennedy was not penalised for the cynical foul.



Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Louther on May 18, 2021, 09:52:24 AM
Me bad.

When the talk of the rules changes was happening I had assumed it was only for hurling for this drag down inside 21m and resulting penalty.

From talk on radio yesterday lot seemed to think same as it was a compromise from a hurling ref to the introduction of the black card to that game.

One thing that always bugs me is that over last week, particularly in hurling, the main talk has been around the rule changes and "no one asked us" narrative. I can't say I like some of the rule changes and more so the constant changes every year but I don't recall a vocal dissenting voice from many managers who have a profile and the media would have loved to hear form prior to the introduction of these changes. That's the time to make feelings known.

Back on track that one of Armagh V Monaghan was a prime example of the new rule not been used.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 18, 2021, 10:39:00 AM
Quote from: Louther on May 18, 2021, 09:52:24 AM
Me bad.

When the talk of the rules changes was happening I had assumed it was only for hurling for this drag down inside 21m and resulting penalty.

From talk on radio yesterday lot seemed to think same as it was a compromise from a hurling ref to the introduction of the black card to that game.

One thing that always bugs me is that over last week, particularly in hurling, the main talk has been around the rule changes and "no one asked us" narrative. I can't say I like some of the rule changes and more so the constant changes every year but I don't recall a vocal dissenting voice from many managers who have a profile and the media would have loved to hear form prior to the introduction of these changes. That's the time to make feelings known.

Back on track that one of Armagh V Monaghan was a prime example of the new rule not been used.

I get the black card rule for hurling, I've no real issues with it, player running in on goal inside the box penalty, a black card should he be pulled down on purpose and not in a last ditch honest tackle on the ball/player, my only concern is when a player is inside the 21, out on the wing and brought down, outside the rectangle and players coaches all screaming for penalties and black cards!

so many variables to take in before all those claims
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on May 18, 2021, 10:39:46 AM
Quote from: Louther on May 18, 2021, 09:52:24 AM
Me bad.

When the talk of the rules changes was happening I had assumed it was only for hurling for this drag down inside 21m and resulting penalty.

From talk on radio yesterday lot seemed to think same as it was a compromise from a hurling ref to the introduction of the black card to that game.

One thing that always bugs me is that over last week, particularly in hurling, the main talk has been around the rule changes and "no one asked us" narrative. I can't say I like some of the rule changes and more so the constant changes every year but I don't recall a vocal dissenting voice from many managers who have a profile and the media would have loved to hear form prior to the introduction of these changes. That's the time to make feelings known.

Back on track that one of Armagh V Monaghan was a prime example of the new rule not been used.

From what I've read the ref didn't think it was deliberate and that it was just outside the 21
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Louther on May 18, 2021, 10:48:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 18, 2021, 10:39:00 AM
Quote from: Louther on May 18, 2021, 09:52:24 AM
Me bad.

When the talk of the rules changes was happening I had assumed it was only for hurling for this drag down inside 21m and resulting penalty.

From talk on radio yesterday lot seemed to think same as it was a compromise from a hurling ref to the introduction of the black card to that game.

One thing that always bugs me is that over last week, particularly in hurling, the main talk has been around the rule changes and "no one asked us" narrative. I can't say I like some of the rule changes and more so the constant changes every year but I don't recall a vocal dissenting voice from many managers who have a profile and the media would have loved to hear form prior to the introduction of these changes. That's the time to make feelings known.

Back on track that one of Armagh V Monaghan was a prime example of the new rule not been used.

I get the black card rule for hurling, I've no real issues with it, player running in on goal inside the box penalty, a black card should he be pulled down on purpose and not in a last ditch honest tackle on the ball/player, my only concern is when a player is inside the 21, out on the wing and brought down, outside the rectangle and players coaches all screaming for penalties and black cards!

so many variables to take in before all those claims

A goal easier scored in hurling from that distance, so like yourself, I get the thinking behind it and was 2/3 cases last year where it happened. Out wide by sideline makes no sense and you dread that such an incident will happen in a big game and will be a huge talking point.

As always, lots for the man in the middle to take account off. Going to need lots of help from umpires and linesmen.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on May 18, 2021, 10:51:34 AM
Louther, it's the GAA way. New rules proposed, discussed in media, passed at Congress and no word from managers till it's put into practice.
Then all Hell breaks loose.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on May 18, 2021, 11:00:10 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 18, 2021, 10:39:46 AM
Quote from: Louther on May 18, 2021, 09:52:24 AM
Me bad.

When the talk of the rules changes was happening I had assumed it was only for hurling for this drag down inside 21m and resulting penalty.

From talk on radio yesterday lot seemed to think same as it was a compromise from a hurling ref to the introduction of the black card to that game.

One thing that always bugs me is that over last week, particularly in hurling, the main talk has been around the rule changes and "no one asked us" narrative. I can't say I like some of the rule changes and more so the constant changes every year but I don't recall a vocal dissenting voice from many managers who have a profile and the media would have loved to hear form prior to the introduction of these changes. That's the time to make feelings known.

Back on track that one of Armagh V Monaghan was a prime example of the new rule not been used.

From what I've read the ref didn't think it was deliberate and that it was just outside the 21
The ref was spectacularly wrong on both counts. Have a look on TG4 player, from 29 min onward.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 18, 2021, 11:02:10 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 18, 2021, 10:51:34 AM
Louther, it's the GAA way. New rules proposed, discussed in media, passed at Congress and no word from managers till it's put into practice.
Then all Hell breaks loose.

There is a lack of communication, for me when that comes up as a motion that should always be discussed at county level, there should be an appointed rep from the CCC Ref's committee and various managers at club and county level. That would take one night to arrange and discuss, their responses should be discussed with the county representative/delegate who feeds that back into Croke park when these motions are either carried or binned.

If that is being done, then I've no problems, as its went through a process
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Louther on May 18, 2021, 11:13:40 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 18, 2021, 10:51:34 AM
Louther, it's the GAA way. New rules proposed, discussed in media, passed at Congress and no word from managers till it's put into practice.
Then all Hell breaks loose.

;D ;D Couldn't have put it better. Would the managers not be directing their anger at their own county boards for allowing it go through?

MR2 - you would hope that some process or discussion would be held but we have to remember the transparency of Congress and that any attempts to show direction of voting was rejected by congress. The line normally given is that delegates are voted into that position to make the decision on behalf of their county or they should be able to make their decision after hearing discussion on the motion itself.

I'm sure progressive counties take the steps you've outlined, while others just roll with it. Inconsistencies may be the issue here.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on May 18, 2021, 11:25:54 AM
Quote from: Main Street on May 18, 2021, 11:00:10 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 18, 2021, 10:39:46 AM
Quote from: Louther on May 18, 2021, 09:52:24 AM
Me bad.

When the talk of the rules changes was happening I had assumed it was only for hurling for this drag down inside 21m and resulting penalty.

From talk on radio yesterday lot seemed to think same as it was a compromise from a hurling ref to the introduction of the black card to that game.

One thing that always bugs me is that over last week, particularly in hurling, the main talk has been around the rule changes and "no one asked us" narrative. I can't say I like some of the rule changes and more so the constant changes every year but I don't recall a vocal dissenting voice from many managers who have a profile and the media would have loved to hear form prior to the introduction of these changes. That's the time to make feelings known.

Back on track that one of Armagh V Monaghan was a prime example of the new rule not been used.

From what I've read the ref didn't think it was deliberate and that it was just outside the 21
The ref was spectacularly wrong on both counts. Have a look on TG4 player, from 29 min onward.

It was a definite black. No argument there from me. Will watch again. At the time I admit I wasn't paying a lot of attention to exactly where it happened as I was unaware of this new rule
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on May 18, 2021, 11:26:54 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 18, 2021, 11:25:54 AM
Quote from: Main Street on May 18, 2021, 11:00:10 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 18, 2021, 10:39:46 AM
Quote from: Louther on May 18, 2021, 09:52:24 AM
Me bad.

When the talk of the rules changes was happening I had assumed it was only for hurling for this drag down inside 21m and resulting penalty.

From talk on radio yesterday lot seemed to think same as it was a compromise from a hurling ref to the introduction of the black card to that game.

One thing that always bugs me is that over last week, particularly in hurling, the main talk has been around the rule changes and "no one asked us" narrative. I can't say I like some of the rule changes and more so the constant changes every year but I don't recall a vocal dissenting voice from many managers who have a profile and the media would have loved to hear form prior to the introduction of these changes. That's the time to make feelings known.

Back on track that one of Armagh V Monaghan was a prime example of the new rule not been used.

From what I've read the ref didn't think it was deliberate and that it was just outside the 21
The ref was spectacularly wrong on both counts. Have a look on TG4 player, from 29 min onward.

It was a definite black. No argument there from me. Will watch again. At the time I admit I wasn't paying a lot of attention to exactly where it happened as I was unaware of this new rule
Looking at it again, it was a 100% deliberate drag down but some location doubt,  first contact happened when Monaghan player Jones' standing foot was on the 20m line and the drag down effected when both feet were just inside the 20m line.  A definite black card but I'm not sure of what defines a foul being committed  inside the 20m area.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on May 19, 2021, 11:58:15 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 17, 2021, 09:28:04 PM
the media lads are already blowing up Kerry v Dublin as a rehearsal for later in the year
you'd imagine it will be.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on May 19, 2021, 12:00:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 18, 2021, 10:39:00 AM
Quote from: Louther on May 18, 2021, 09:52:24 AM
Me bad.

When the talk of the rules changes was happening I had assumed it was only for hurling for this drag down inside 21m and resulting penalty.

From talk on radio yesterday lot seemed to think same as it was a compromise from a hurling ref to the introduction of the black card to that game.

One thing that always bugs me is that over last week, particularly in hurling, the main talk has been around the rule changes and "no one asked us" narrative. I can't say I like some of the rule changes and more so the constant changes every year but I don't recall a vocal dissenting voice from many managers who have a profile and the media would have loved to hear form prior to the introduction of these changes. That's the time to make feelings known.

Back on track that one of Armagh V Monaghan was a prime example of the new rule not been used.

I get the black card rule for hurling, I've no real issues with it, player running in on goal inside the box penalty, a black card should he be pulled down on purpose and not in a last ditch honest tackle on the ball/player, my only concern is when a player is inside the 21, out on the wing and brought down, outside the rectangle and players coaches all screaming for penalties and black cards!

so many variables to take in before all those claims
The interpretation of an honest last ditch tackle and a deliberate foul to stop a goal will vary greatly you'd imagine.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 19, 2021, 04:33:14 PM
Should have more of idea after this weekend matches which teams will have a semi final to look forward too or a relegation play off to worry about.

Saturday
Donegal v Monaghan 5pm
Armagh v Tyrone, 7pm

Sunday

Kerry v Dublin, 1:45pm
Galway v Roscommon, 2pm
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: greatpoint on May 19, 2021, 04:50:07 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 19, 2021, 11:58:15 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 17, 2021, 09:28:04 PM
the media lads are already blowing up Kerry v Dublin as a rehearsal for later in the year
you'd imagine it will be.

It didn't happen in 2017, 2018, nor 2020 but the media will hype it up every year regardless.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Taylor on May 19, 2021, 04:50:33 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 19, 2021, 04:33:14 PM
Should have more of idea after this weekend matches which teams will have a semi final to look forward too or a relegation play off to worry about.

Saturday
Donegal v Monaghan 5pm
Armagh v Tyrone, 7pm

Sunday

Kerry v Dublin, 1:45pm
Galway v Roscommon, 2pm

Tyrone game is on Eirsport - any idea where the other games are on?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on May 19, 2021, 04:51:28 PM
Donegal
Armagh
Roscommon
Kerry

Ros v Galway on GAAGO
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 19, 2021, 04:54:10 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 19, 2021, 04:50:33 PM
Tyrone game is on Eirsport - any idea where the other games are on?

Donegal v Monaghan on RTÉ
Kerry v Dublin on TG4
Galway v Roscommon on GAAGO
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Taylor on May 19, 2021, 05:29:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 19, 2021, 04:54:10 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 19, 2021, 04:50:33 PM
Tyrone game is on Eirsport - any idea where the other games are on?

Donegal v Monaghan on RTÉ
Kerry v Dublin on TG4
Galway v Roscommon on GAAGO

Cheers.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: balladmaker on May 21, 2021, 08:38:48 AM
I don't sense much enthusiasm for this weekend's games when there should be ... unless I'm reading the wrong thread :-) .... Kerry/Dublin ... Armagh/Tyrone ... Galway/Roscommon ... Donegal/Monaghan ... with such a condensed league, win or lose 2 games and your league is pretty much decided.

Looking forward to seeing how Armagh show up against Tyrone.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on May 21, 2021, 09:15:45 AM
Maybe the fact we can't go to the games is dimming enthusiasm?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: balladmaker on May 21, 2021, 09:20:20 AM
Of course non-attendance at games is a major factor.  I remember a time when any Armagh v Tyrone game would have had a thread 50 pages long :-)
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: lurganblue on May 21, 2021, 10:22:25 AM
Yeah looking forward to seeing how Armagh stack up against Tyrone.  I for one feel that we are still a bit off the level of Tyrone and more so Donegal.  Although Armagh played pretty well last week, I am still not convinced that the defence is up to the task.  However, Sat night will definitely tell a tale in that regard.

The Monaghan win was massive in terms of staying in division one.  I would be surprised if Monaghan beat either Tyrone or Donegal (baring a bit of cute hoorism).
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Taylor on May 21, 2021, 10:31:54 AM
I feel we have too much for Armagh if (and its a big IF) we play to our attacking capabilities.

If we play a defensive game then it will go right to the wire.

The Armagh defence have shown they are the same they have been for a few years and cannot tackle - surely someone within their camp could address this?

I was very disappointed in Monaghan last week - McManus & the two Hughes looked way off the pace - they will definitely be relegated.

Hopefully the team that starts will have Canavan & Bradley there which will set out our intentions from the start.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: lurganblue on May 21, 2021, 11:06:31 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 21, 2021, 10:31:54 AM
I feel we have too much for Armagh if (and its a big IF) we play to our attacking capabilities.

If we play a defensive game then it will go right to the wire.

The Armagh defence have shown they are the same they have been for a few years and cannot tackle - surely someone within their camp could address this?

I was very disappointed in Monaghan last week - McManus & the two Hughes looked way off the pace - they will definitely be relegated.

Hopefully the team that starts will have Canavan & Bradley there which will set out our intentions from the start.

I have to assume there is rarely a free given at their training sessions
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 21, 2021, 10:21:51 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E17wxlqX0AcdVkR?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: bennydorano on May 22, 2021, 01:53:26 PM
Wtf is the story with eirsport? Is it impossible to get signed up if you've an address in the black North?

Edit: see its now available on Gaago, so f**k eirsport.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: armaghniac on May 22, 2021, 02:27:31 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 22, 2021, 01:53:26 PM
Wtf is the story with eirsport? Is it impossible to get signed up if you've an address in the black North?

Edit: see its now available on Gaago, so f**k eirsport.

Its a pity it was not available yesterday on GAAGO when I signed up for the VPN  :-X
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 22, 2021, 05:07:06 PM
Big blow to Donegal to lose Michael Murphy to injury after 4 mins. Lively start to this game. Donegal 0-3 to 0-2 ahead.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on May 22, 2021, 05:09:32 PM
Some nice open football in this Donegal - Monaghan game so far, not a sentence I've said too often
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on May 22, 2021, 05:11:53 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 22, 2021, 05:07:06 PM
Big blow to Donegal to lose Michael Murphy to injury after 4 mins. Lively start to this game. Donegal 0-3 to 0-2 ahead.
Good riddance
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: MayoBuck on May 22, 2021, 05:11:57 PM
Just turned it on now. What kind of injury did Murphy get?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on May 22, 2021, 05:12:35 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on May 22, 2021, 05:11:57 PM
Just turned it on now. What kind of injury did Murphy get?

Commentators said hamstring
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on May 22, 2021, 05:15:49 PM
Ffs a black card for that is a bit of a joke, just when Monaghan were building good bit of momentum.

Meanwhile last week an Armagh man didn't even get a black card when dragging back a man through on goal. The application of that rule is all over the place.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on May 22, 2021, 05:16:29 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 22, 2021, 05:12:35 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on May 22, 2021, 05:11:57 PM
Just turned it on now. What kind of injury did Murphy get?

Commentators said hamstring

I'd imagine it is towards the lighter end of the scale as Murphy didn't go off straight away when injured but tried to play on.

Really good pace to the game - Doubt it will last the full 70.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on May 22, 2021, 05:17:16 PM
Donegal are missing the wind.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 22, 2021, 05:19:09 PM
2nd goal for Monaghan 6 points ahead now. Donegal defence very loose today.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on May 22, 2021, 05:19:25 PM
Two goals from McCarthy's right boot, might be a first.

Great to see him flying today, he didn't get going at all against Armagh.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on May 22, 2021, 05:19:34 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 22, 2021, 05:15:49 PM
Ffs a black card for that is a bit of a joke, just when Monaghan were building good bit of momentum.

Meanwhile last week an Armagh man didn't even get a black card when dragging back a man through on goal. The application of that rule is all over the place.

Yeah - he was pulling out of the tackle too. Very very harsh and as you say no comparison to the non black last week
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on May 22, 2021, 05:21:15 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 22, 2021, 05:19:25 PM
Two goals from McCarthy's right boot, might be a first.

Great to see him flying today, he didn't get going at all against Armagh.
Hasn't always done it for monaghan but he's full of skill. Remember watching him on a UCD sigerson team that had a few dubs on it and he stood out
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: J70 on May 22, 2021, 05:22:29 PM
Donegal wide open at the back and shooting some awful wides.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on May 22, 2021, 05:23:05 PM
The 2nd goal was extra special from both players.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on May 22, 2021, 05:24:58 PM
Quote from: straightred on May 22, 2021, 05:21:15 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 22, 2021, 05:19:25 PM
Two goals from McCarthy's right boot, might be a first.

Great to see him flying today, he didn't get going at all against Armagh.
Hasn't always done it for monaghan but he's full of skill. Remember watching him on a UCD sigerson team that had a few dubs on it and he stood out

Yeah McCarthy has always had the talent, just hasn't consistently put on the performances for the county.

Serious performance today, another great goal there.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on May 22, 2021, 05:25:49 PM
And a third  for McCarthy, all very classy goals.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 22, 2021, 05:26:02 PM
Hat trick for Conor McCarthy. Brilliant goal for Donegal now as I type. 1-5 to 3-4
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: SouthDublinBro on May 22, 2021, 05:26:27 PM
"A Clifford-esque performance"

::)
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on May 22, 2021, 05:27:37 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 22, 2021, 05:26:02 PM
Hat trick for Conor McCarthy. Brilliant goal for Donegal now as I type. 1-5 to 3-4

Right down the middle untouched.. thats poor from the monaghan defence
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on May 22, 2021, 05:29:06 PM
Donegal defence so open here, Monaghan should have had at least another goal from either Hughes or O'Hanlon

Donegal are getting their chances too though, open all round
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on May 22, 2021, 05:34:04 PM
Red now - that black was probably just about right. 1st one was a terrible decision though
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 22, 2021, 05:34:57 PM
Donegal diving again. Two harsh cards against Boyle.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: StephenC on May 22, 2021, 05:35:35 PM
Crossmaglen many years ago is the last time I saw our defence this open. Very harsh sending off - the first black wasn't one. The 2nd was fair enough but not fair on Monaghan to be a man down. To be only 4 points down after that performance is hard to believe.

Hopefully Michael's injury isn't too serious.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on May 22, 2021, 05:36:35 PM
ref is riding monaghan now. Free there against them for charging. Another very dubious call
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on May 22, 2021, 05:41:50 PM
Barry was born with a whistle in his mouth.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 22, 2021, 05:42:43 PM
Half time Donegal 1-8 Monaghan 3-7. Monaghan should be out of sight could easily have scored 6 goals in that half. Donegal all over the place in defence.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Angelo on May 22, 2021, 05:43:06 PM
The defending from Donegal is Div 4 standard.

Monaghan have some very lively and dangerous looking new forwards but the circumstances are perfect for them given how mich space Donegal are giving them.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: SouthDublinBro on May 22, 2021, 05:44:27 PM
Entertaining game. Long time since I've enjoyed a game between 2 ulster counties. Glad to see Donegal not being negative and fouling all the time for a change.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on May 22, 2021, 05:45:05 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 22, 2021, 05:42:43 PM
Half time Donegal 1-8 Monaghan 3-7. Monaghan should be out of sight could easily have scored 6 goals in that half. Donegal all over the place in defence.
How did donegal not get at least 1 black though ? If he's going to give monaghan the 1st one then he has apply the same rigour to donegal. This is type of stuff that would drive you mad with refs
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 22, 2021, 05:49:42 PM
How bad are Tyrone if that Donegal team bate them handy last day out?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: trileacman on May 22, 2021, 05:52:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 22, 2021, 05:49:42 PM
How bad are Tyrone if that Donegal team bate them handy last day out?

They're awful. People just ignored how piss poor both teams were last week.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on May 22, 2021, 05:54:38 PM
Quote from: trileacman on May 22, 2021, 05:52:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 22, 2021, 05:49:42 PM
How bad are Tyrone if that Donegal team bate them handy last day out?

They're awful. People just ignored how piss poor both teams were last week.

tyrone were down to 14 though
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 22, 2021, 05:55:08 PM
This offensive style Donegal are trying to play is leaving them wide open at the back they need to go back to basics. Barry Cassidy was a confused ref before any new rules.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 22, 2021, 05:57:05 PM
Quote from: straightred on May 22, 2021, 05:54:38 PM
Quote from: trileacman on May 22, 2021, 05:52:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 22, 2021, 05:49:42 PM
How bad are Tyrone if that Donegal team bate them handy last day out?

They're awful. People just ignored how piss poor both teams were last week.

tyrone were down to 14 though

Right, I thought they had 15, lost a player and lost the game, didn't realise they played full game with 14...
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on May 22, 2021, 05:57:17 PM
Monaghan should be out of sight with the amount of goal chances they had, but on a messy day like this and that crazy red card, Donegal are still well in this game. Playing with an extra man for most of the game will probably start to really tell going down the stretch.

Monaghan have the pace to hurt the open Donegal defence any time they go on the attack, but they'll need to be more clinical to kill the game off.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: StephenC on May 22, 2021, 05:58:13 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 22, 2021, 05:55:08 PM
This offensive style Donegal are trying to play is leaving them wide open at the back they need to go back to basics. Barry Cassidy was a confused ref before any new rules.

That's a bit of it but you have to be able to mark your man. Too many of our defenders are being left for dust so easily.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Angelo on May 22, 2021, 05:58:45 PM
Shows how reliant Donegal are on Murphy.

Still fancy Donegal to turn this around against 14.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: BennyCake on May 22, 2021, 06:04:52 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 22, 2021, 05:26:02 PM
Hat trick for Conor McCarthy. Brilliant goal for Donegal now as I type. 1-5 to 3-4

He's the new Ryan Henderson
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: omagh_gael on May 22, 2021, 06:19:11 PM
Barry Cassidy shouldn't be within an asses roar of a football field.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on May 22, 2021, 06:23:17 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 22, 2021, 06:19:11 PM
Barry Cassidy shouldn't be within an asses roar of a football field.

Its a shocking display by him. He sends a donegal lad off for that while missing at least 2 other very obvious blacks. The challenge on Wylie could even have been a red
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on May 22, 2021, 06:27:09 PM
Would have been an incredible goal, but I'd have rathered Kearns buried that instead of trying to chip Patton...
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 22, 2021, 06:28:41 PM
9 minutes to play. Donegal 1-16 Monahan 4-10
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: J70 on May 22, 2021, 06:40:15 PM
Quote from: trileacman on May 22, 2021, 05:52:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 22, 2021, 05:49:42 PM
How bad are Tyrone if that Donegal team bate them handy last day out?

They're awful. People just ignored how piss poor both teams were last week.

LOL.  :D

You've some people talking us up (stupidly IMO) as potentially the best of the rest after Dublin and Kerry.

On the other hand you've people saying we're garbage!
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 22, 2021, 06:41:28 PM
FT Donegal 1-20 Monaghan 4-11. Fine comeback draw for Donegal. Monaghan will be kicking themselves they didn't win that match.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: J70 on May 22, 2021, 06:44:24 PM
I'll take that.

Good game, but f**k we need to sort that defense out.

Hopefully McFadden Ferry will be available and ready to go for Championship. Stephen McMenamin finally back too.

The rarely seen Ciaran Gillespie, if finally fit after all these years as some reports say, might be worth a look too.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: SouthDublinBro on May 22, 2021, 06:45:28 PM
Scoring 3 goals is all well and good but McCarthy missed a good chance right at the end when it mattered most.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on May 22, 2021, 06:47:22 PM
Can't believe Monaghan didn't end up winning that, especially with some of the late chances. Probably very tired legs after being a man down for a couple of stretches.

Enjoyable game all the same. Monaghan will still be in relegation trouble having not got the win, but they seem to be using this league as more of a chance to blood young players than sticking with the tried and tested, and alot of young players performed well. Might end up costing Monaghan in the short term, but there's encouraging signs going forward with some of the younger lads.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on May 22, 2021, 07:00:20 PM
Monaghan did spurn good chances at the end, but I suppose a draw was fair enough with  both teams mumbling about how they  should've won. I didn't like (hate) Monaghan fannying about with the ball in their own half,  they just handed back the initiative to Donegal.
Good to see Jack McCarron return after a lengthy spell out and Niall Kearns was excellent in his cameo. So far so good with Monaghan, just cut out the fannying about.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Boycey on May 22, 2021, 07:01:37 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 22, 2021, 07:00:20 PM
Monaghan did spurn good chances at the end, but I suppose a draw was fair enough with  both teams mumbling about how they  should've won. I didn't like (hate) Monaghan fannying about with the ball in their own half,  they just handed back the initiative to Donegal.
Good to see Jack McCarron return after a lengthy spell out and Niall Kearns was excellent in his cameo. So far so good with Monaghan, just cut out the fannying about.

Jack McCarron was the main instigator of the fannying about?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on May 22, 2021, 07:28:40 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on May 22, 2021, 06:45:28 PM
Scoring 3 goals is all well and good but McCarthy missed a good chance right at the end when it mattered most.

i think we can let him off. He was out on his feet having spent most of the 2nd half dropping deep.
McGee's time must be up though. What would clifford or OCallaghan do to him
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 22, 2021, 07:44:03 PM
Armagh 1-7 Tyrone 1-7. Good competitive half of football. Fitness and conditioning will likely be the difference 2nd half.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 22, 2021, 07:46:21 PM
The standard of defenders are not what they were, years of blanket defences have hid many a defender lack of defensive skills, until open games of football are played, though all have adapted to go forward.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 22, 2021, 07:53:28 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 22, 2021, 07:46:21 PM
The standard of defenders are not what they were, years of blanket defences have hid many a defender lack of defensive skills, until open games of football are played, though all have adapted to go forward.

True. Apart from most of Dublins defenders, a few from Mayo I'd struggle to name good individual tight marking defenders into todays modern football.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on May 22, 2021, 08:04:10 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 22, 2021, 07:46:21 PM
The standard of defenders are not what they were, years of blanket defences have hid many a defender lack of defensive skills, until open games of football are played, though all have adapted to go forward.

Defenders are hindered by Black and yellow cards anymore! They can't tackle a forward who wins a mark. Forwards are rarely pulled on steps. It's a litany of rules and interpretations invented to suit forwards.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 22, 2021, 08:14:07 PM
What a pass and cool finish. Armagh back in front.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: thewobbler on May 22, 2021, 08:16:18 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 22, 2021, 08:04:10 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 22, 2021, 07:46:21 PM
The standard of defenders are not what they were, years of blanket defences have hid many a defender lack of defensive skills, until open games of football are played, though all have adapted to go forward.

Defenders are hindered by Black and yellow cards anymore! They can't tackle a forward who wins a mark. Forwards are rarely pulled on steps. It's a litany of rules and interpretations invented to suit forwards.

This.

High scoring football is not always a better form of football. Especially when it's a litany of frees
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 22, 2021, 08:17:32 PM
That penalty miss could be the turning point of this match
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Angelo on May 22, 2021, 08:32:33 PM
The pace of players today make it impossible for defenders to play in open games. Imagine trying to deal with a prime Lee Keegan, Paddy Durcan, McCaffrey, Con O'Callaghan etc running off the shoulder at full pelt when you're on the backstep. You've no chance.

McCurry has been immense this evening.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 22, 2021, 08:41:57 PM
Five point margin of defeat harsh on the effort and competitive performance Armagh delivered. The penalty miss as I expected was the games turning point.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: bennydorano on May 22, 2021, 08:45:20 PM
Pleasantly surprised by how competitive Armagh were tbh. Tyrone middling enough but with a lot more options to come in.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: SouthDublinBro on May 22, 2021, 08:47:15 PM
So Tyrone now have the chance to send Monaghan down to division 2. They'll be loving that.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: timmyot501 on May 22, 2021, 08:57:52 PM
If Tyrone win surely they only send monaghan to a relegation play off. Same if monaghan win Tyrone will most likely be in that play off??..... I think....
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 22, 2021, 09:01:03 PM
Two enjoyable games of football in D1.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 22, 2021, 09:01:48 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on May 22, 2021, 06:45:28 PM
Scoring 3 goals is all well and good but McCarthy missed a good chance right at the end when it mattered most.

Seriously?? ::)
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on May 22, 2021, 09:03:38 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on May 22, 2021, 08:47:15 PM
So Tyrone now have the chance to send Monaghan down to division 2. They'll be loving that.

Not really, there's a relegation playoff after the 3 regular games regardless, and that's for teams in 3rd and 4th place.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Solo_run on May 22, 2021, 09:08:12 PM
Armagh's lack of division 1 experience really shone through in the last 10 minutes of that match. I think they became too goal hungry instead of reduce the deficit to set up a close final few minutes.

The Armagh forwards need to show composure and the 5 subs in the first half certainly didn't help.

Oh well, it was a decent game.

Any news on Murphy?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Angelo on May 22, 2021, 10:39:06 PM
The penalty miss was the turning point in that game.

Very worrying how easily Tyrone were penetrated through the middle by Armagh.

Armagh clearly have the fowards to trouble teams but I think their defence and mobility around the middle will be their undoing.

They look like they will be very patched up against Donegal next week.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 22, 2021, 10:51:27 PM
Keith Higgins would been the best of the old type defenders, could actually defend 1 on 1 but all the traits of the modern game to go forward
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Angelo on May 22, 2021, 11:19:19 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 22, 2021, 10:51:27 PM
Keith Higgins would been the best of the old type defenders, could actually defend 1 on 1 but all the traits of the modern game to go forward

The issue doesn't really seems to be more with half backs and half forwards not tracking men.

I actually thought McNamee and Hampsey were very solid for Tyrone today, the real issue was the runners were coming through the middle and players were abdicating tracking those runs. I think we have had a huge issue at 6 for quite some time now and have tried a number of players out there.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: J70 on May 23, 2021, 01:47:42 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 22, 2021, 10:51:27 PM
Keith Higgins would been the best of the old type defenders, could actually defend 1 on 1 but all the traits of the modern game to go forward

Karl Lacey was up there too. No matter how much of a hammering Donegal were getting, his man usually scored either f**k all or maybe a point or two, even though he was always marking the likes of Stevie McDonnell or Paddy Bradley (he outscored Paddy 0-3 to 0-2 in one Ulster semi :)).

Once McGuinness brought in the mass defense/speedy break approach and Paddy McGrath came through, his considerable talents were put to use further up the field.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: befair on May 23, 2021, 02:53:22 AM
Did one of the Armagh players get a yellow card for not wearing a gum-shield? Obviously they need a bigger management team to check for these details.....
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: BennyCake on May 23, 2021, 10:01:23 AM
Quote from: befair on May 23, 2021, 02:53:22 AM
Did one of the Armagh players get a yellow card for not wearing a gum-shield? Obviously they need a bigger management team to check for these details.....

They do, but no other Ciaran's/Kieran's are available at the minute to take on that role. So I guess things like this are going to continue to happen.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: God14 on May 23, 2021, 10:06:37 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 23, 2021, 10:01:23 AM
Quote from: befair on May 23, 2021, 02:53:22 AM
Did one of the Armagh players get a yellow card for not wearing a gum-shield? Obviously they need a bigger management team to check for these details.....

They do, but no other Ciaran's/Kieran's are available at the minute to take on that role. So I guess things like this are going to continue to happen.

;D spat the coffee out there
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Sportacus on May 23, 2021, 11:23:05 AM
I enjoyed that Armagh Tyrone game. Lots of pace and attacking football thank god.  Players starting to look natural again rather  than just following orders, Rian O'Neill pass for the Armagh goal was sheer class - vision, weight and angle all perfect.

Tackling was better as well than previous years - always amazed me the amount of stupid frees county players give away and then complain to the ref.  Except the penalty, the Tyrone player  could easily have pressed the attacker  away from the goal instead of fouling him from behind, unbelievably stupid foul in the box.  He actually fouled him twice for good measure!
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Sandy Hill on May 23, 2021, 12:29:08 PM
Where is Andy Murnin?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on May 23, 2021, 01:17:38 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on May 23, 2021, 12:29:08 PM
Where is Andy Murnin?

Probably injured
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 23, 2021, 01:50:01 PM
Stuck 20 on Kerry to win this.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Hound on May 23, 2021, 02:32:40 PM
Very poor shooting by the Dubs in the first quarter, but opened up Kerry for goals relatively easily, and have got the radar going since.

Kerry not doing any fouling, which is a little odd.  All Dubs scores from play. Maybe Kerry not going full at it.

Ref refusing to play advantage cost Kerry a goal (kicked the free over). Ref has done that a number of times.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: befair on May 23, 2021, 02:43:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 23, 2021, 02:32:40 PM
Very poor shooting by the Dubs in the first quarter, but opened up Kerry for goals relatively easily, and have got the radar going since.

Kerry not doing any fouling, which is a little odd.  All Dubs scores from play. Maybe Kerry not going full at it.

Ref refusing to play advantage cost Kerry a goal (kicked the free over). Ref has done that a number of times.

Blame the ref, he must have kicked all those Kerry wides at the start of the game
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on May 23, 2021, 02:46:47 PM
Gaelic football is broken. You can't have a sport without competition..
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on May 23, 2021, 02:52:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 23, 2021, 02:32:40 PM
Very poor shooting by the Dubs in the first quarter, but opened up Kerry for goals relatively easily, and have got the radar going since.

Kerry not doing any fouling, which is a little odd.  All Dubs scores from play. Maybe Kerry not going full at it.

Ref refusing to play advantage cost Kerry a goal (kicked the free over). Ref has done that a number of times.
Is it the ref or the rule. If its the rule then its stupid and needs to be changed asap
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 23, 2021, 02:54:42 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 23, 2021, 02:32:40 PM
Very poor shooting by the Dubs in the first quarter, but opened up Kerry for goals relatively easily, and have got the radar going since.

Kerry not doing any fouling, which is a little odd.  All Dubs scores from play. Maybe Kerry not going full at it.

Ref refusing to play advantage cost Kerry a goal (kicked the free over). Ref has done that a number of times.
10 steps is a technical foul and it should have been a free out
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: grounded on May 23, 2021, 02:54:47 PM
Actually really enjoying this. Some great skill on display(abeit a lot of sloppy stuff). Clifford playing well.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 23, 2021, 03:01:14 PM
Clifford on fire. Kerry great value at 10/3. Have dubs scored in second half.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Hound on May 23, 2021, 03:04:16 PM
Dubs gone very slack in the second half. Need to up a gear.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on May 23, 2021, 03:22:06 PM
Clifford has seriously bulked up.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: clarshack on May 23, 2021, 03:24:47 PM
Dublin v Kerry was an enjoyable game.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Angelo on May 23, 2021, 03:25:02 PM
Kerry got away with a level of aggression I don't think any other county in the country would be allowed to with Dublin in that second half today.

Could not understand why Comerford kept going for short kickouts and Dublin kept trying to run the ball out from the back when they were being pulled and dragged back until they lost the ball.

Good game. Dublin should have had the game dead in the first half when Kerry were trying to play open football, as soon as Kerry changed to bringing that bit of dirt into in the second half it was a lot more enjoyable.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 23, 2021, 03:26:23 PM
Great comeback by kerry
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: tippabu on May 23, 2021, 03:26:50 PM
Great game. Could you imagine a super 8's game 3 'neutral' venue with packed house. I don't like super 8's format anyway but this is the exact sort of game that should be neutral and not a croke park game. Thing is vast majority of fans from both sides I reckon would agree
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on May 23, 2021, 03:28:13 PM
Quote from: macker15 on May 23, 2021, 03:26:23 PM
Great comeback by kerry

;D

You lost a fair amount of money today!
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on May 23, 2021, 03:29:59 PM
Concerning for Kerry to concede 4 goals against a Dub team that were nowhere near their best. O'Callaghan is unreal, defenders shite themselves when he gets the ball and his direct running is always a goal threat. Some handy scores missed by both sides.

Cluxton and Rock huge misses for the Dubs. Very impressed with Kerrys work rate up front think they won 2 or 3 turnovers in quick succession from the Dublin kickout and got scores.

Hopefully this Kerry team can keep progressing and give us a decent all ireland final.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: yellowcard on May 23, 2021, 03:32:44 PM
Was glad to see that Kerry upped the aggression levels, they will have to compete physically if they want to have a chance of beating the Dubs in the championship.

I'm still not convinced about Kerry, they look defensively suspect and also overly dependant on one player, albeit an exceptional one and the Dubs brought Kerry back into it through their own mistakes.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on May 23, 2021, 03:33:32 PM
Kerry play on the edge. Tradition gives them an entitlement to get away with it. Both teams will be happy with the result. Both would not have wanted to show to much of their hand today.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rudi on May 23, 2021, 03:40:38 PM
Cynical intensity from Galway, very much up for the match unlike lack posture Roscommon. The Galway side line very vocal, reffing the square ball goal.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 23, 2021, 03:45:21 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 23, 2021, 03:28:13 PM
Quote from: macker15 on May 23, 2021, 03:26:23 PM
Great comeback by kerry

;D

You lost a fair amount of money today!

Tell me about it. Had Clare backed so made a few quid back. Have Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs backed for the soccer
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 23, 2021, 03:48:50 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 23, 2021, 03:40:38 PM
Cynical intensity from Galway, very much up for the match unlike lack posture Roscommon. The Galway side line very vocal, reffing the square ball goal.

Goes to show how much a team can up their game when the backs are to the wall.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: sid waddell on May 23, 2021, 03:55:51 PM
Kerry are defensively suspect but so are Dublin, Dublin's game seems increasingly to revolve around long spells of possession, it's becoming a fear based game and fairly robotic, and the maverick streaks are steadily becoming less and less

And to be honest Kerry's defensive problems seem more fixable

McCaffrey provided a maverick streak and if you take Small out as well - that looked like a nasty hamstring injury - you take a lot of the driving force from the back out of the team

Really only Con provides that x-factor now, the younger players coming in seem more robotic and system driven

Dublin didn't have a fitness advantage today, when you take a fitness advantage out of the equation they are extremely beatable
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rudi on May 23, 2021, 03:57:10 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 23, 2021, 03:48:50 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 23, 2021, 03:40:38 PM
Cynical intensity from Galway, very much up for the match unlike lack posture Roscommon. The Galway side line very vocal, reffing the square ball goal.

Goes to show how much a team can up their game when the backs are to the wall.

No major surprise, the way they protected their goal was impressive, a part from our starting full forward line we were poor. Galway by far the better team. Roscommon have no defence and cant tackle, porous. Hopefully Poulter can do something in the next month.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2021, 04:22:08 PM
Quote from: macker15 on May 23, 2021, 03:45:21 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 23, 2021, 03:28:13 PM
Quote from: macker15 on May 23, 2021, 03:26:23 PM
Great comeback by kerry

;D

You lost a fair amount of money today!

You backed Clare away from home to Kildare?

Tell me about it. Had Clare backed so made a few quid back. Have Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs backed for the soccer
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on May 23, 2021, 04:24:26 PM
I doubt Poacher will do much.
A gang of lads playing football at a high level for years will hardly be changed into aggressive man marking tacklers in 5 or 6 weeks :-\
We have finished bottom of the table no matter what happens next week.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 23, 2021, 04:36:24 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 23, 2021, 03:40:38 PM
Cynical intensity from Galway, very much up for the match unlike lack posture Roscommon. The Galway side line very vocal, reffing the square ball goal.

Not sure how that 2nd Galway goal stood, a clear square ball and was only two points between the teams before that goal. The Roscommon performance probably deserved the margin of defeat though and in regards to relegation it looks like a matter of which team will join Roscommon in division 2 next year.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on May 23, 2021, 04:36:33 PM
Seemed to be a lot better from us today.
My GaaGo stream died a death so didn't see much of it - will try watch it back later.
It sounded like the tackling intensity and aggression were chalk and cheese compared to last week at least.
We beat Ros reasonably comfortably two years ago in the league and that didn't end so well for us come the Connacht final. Hoping history doesn't repeat itself now
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on May 23, 2021, 04:55:14 PM
There were around 3 months between those 2019 games.
Only 6 weeks this year.
About the second Galway goal....was yer man in the Square before the ball was kicked? If not then it was legal.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rudi on May 23, 2021, 05:00:54 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 23, 2021, 04:36:24 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 23, 2021, 03:40:38 PM
Cynical intensity from Galway, very much up for the match unlike lack posture Roscommon. The Galway side line very vocal, reffing the square ball goal.

Not sure how that 2nd Galway goal stood, a clear square ball and was only two points between the teams before that goal. The Roscommon performance probably deserved the margin of defeat though and in regards to relegation it looks like a matter of which team will join Roscommon in division 2 next year.

We are poor st the moment & Kerry will give us an awful batin next week. Look likely we will be playing Armagh in relegation play off, would not rule us out of that game. Need the Dalys back & with Poacher getting some on field time with the lads, who knows we may give Galway some sort of game.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on May 23, 2021, 05:06:36 PM
Galway intensity was upped but at the end of the day it could not have got any worse than last week.
Some lazy fouling kept Roscommon in the game, if Galway kept it clean then they would have won that game a lot handier, I thought they were a good bit better than Roscommon today in general play. It was frustrating because at times Comer, Glynn and others executed some textbook stuff.
Sean Kelly, Conroy and Finnerty (in the first half) were the standout Galway players but the likes of Comer, O Laoi, Paul Kelly and Walsh (second half) were also showing well. Have severe doubts about McHugh at 6 but if Daly is injured I don't know whether there is much of a difference to the other options. Tomo got two touches after coming in and scored 1-1, could have been a square ball alright but TV angle didn't have him in shot when the ball was kicked in.

Tough task to avoid the relegation playoff, only a win against Dublin will do it but it's hard to make any case for that happening. From looking at Dublin Kerry match and how we got on in Tralee I think Galway are miles off the top level.
The continuing lack of a kick out strategy outside of kick it at Paul Conroy against the likes of Mayo, Dublin and Kerry, sure it's only going to go one way really.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 23, 2021, 05:10:26 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 23, 2021, 05:00:54 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 23, 2021, 04:36:24 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 23, 2021, 03:40:38 PM
Cynical intensity from Galway, very much up for the match unlike lack posture Roscommon. The Galway side line very vocal, reffing the square ball goal.

Not sure how that 2nd Galway goal stood, a clear square ball and was only two points between the teams before that goal. The Roscommon performance probably deserved the margin of defeat though and in regards to relegation it looks like a matter of which team will join Roscommon in division 2 next year.

We are poor st the moment & Kerry will give us an awful batin next week. Look likely we will be playing Armagh in relegation play off, would not rule us out of that game. Need the Dalys back & with Poacher getting some on field time with the lads, who knows we may give Galway some sort of game.

Certainly need both Conor Daly, Ronan Daly back if their replacements are Neary and Patterson, no offence to both but they wouldn't get near the Galway panel and Galway aren't filled with good defenders either.

Armagh look far fitter and organised hard to see Roscommon winning that match if it's the play off game.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: mouview on May 23, 2021, 05:11:06 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 23, 2021, 05:06:36 PM
Galway intensity was upped but at the end of the day it could not have got any worse than last week.
Some lazy fouling kept Roscommon in the game, if Galway kept it clean then they would have won that game a lot handier, I thought they were a good bit better than Roscommon today in general play. It was frustrating because at times Comer, Glynn and others executed some textbook stuff.
Sean Kelly, Conroy and Finnerty (in the first half) were the standout Galway players but the likes of Comer, O Laoi, Paul Kelly and Walsh (second half) were also showing well. Have severe doubts about McHugh at 6 but if Daly is injured I don't know whether there is much of a difference to the other options. Tomo got two touches after coming in and scored 1-1, could have been a square ball alright but TV angle didn't have him in shot when the ball was kicked in.

Though they would say it, GBFM commentary were adamant Culhane wasn't in square when ball was kicked in, laying the blame on Rossie keeper.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on May 23, 2021, 05:47:27 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 23, 2021, 05:10:26 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 23, 2021, 05:00:54 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 23, 2021, 04:36:24 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 23, 2021, 03:40:38 PM
l.

r.


Armagh look far fitter and organised hard to see Roscommon winning that match if it's the play off game.
The way the Northern section is balanced we could be playing any of the 4.
All the signs are for a quick return to D2 and a one game Chamoionship :-\
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on May 23, 2021, 06:12:09 PM
The Covid format isn't fair on Ros.

In with 3 teams who would probably have beaten them in regular Division 1 but with another 8 points up for grabs.
They could have found a rhythm but losing 3/3 is hard psychologically. Are they 1 of the 2 worst teams in D1? The standard in the other section is worse.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Angelo on May 23, 2021, 06:26:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 23, 2021, 06:12:09 PM
The Covid format isn't fair on Ros.

In with 3 teams who would probably have beaten them in regular Division 1 but with another 8 points up for grabs.
They could have found a rhythm but losing 3/3 is hard psychologically. Are they 1 of the 2 worst teams in D1? The standard in the other section is worse.

The proof will be in the pudding in the relegation playoffs. I would say Galway and Roscommon are arguably the two weakest Div 1 teams.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 23, 2021, 08:43:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 23, 2021, 05:47:27 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 23, 2021, 05:10:26 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 23, 2021, 05:00:54 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 23, 2021, 04:36:24 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 23, 2021, 03:40:38 PM
l.

r.


Armagh look far fitter and organised hard to see Roscommon winning that match if it's the play off game.
The way the Northern section is balanced we could be playing any of the 4.
All the signs are for a quick return to D2 and a one game Chamoionship :-\

Ye always seem to win Connacht when relegated.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on May 23, 2021, 09:03:27 PM
Not looking very likely this time around Farr.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: balladmaker on May 24, 2021, 12:38:14 AM
Armagh v Donegal and Tyrone v Monaghan next weekend have a Championship feel to them ... win and you're in the league semi-final, lose and your in a relegation playoff.  A lot of injuries picked up this weekend and will have a big say on next week's fixtures, still all to play for though for all 4 teams in Div 1 North.  With crowds of 500 allowed back at games from May 24th I believe, any idea how they will manage the ticket allocation for next week's games?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Never beat the deeler on May 24, 2021, 01:00:45 AM
Quote from: macker15 on May 23, 2021, 03:45:21 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 23, 2021, 03:28:13 PM
Quote from: macker15 on May 23, 2021, 03:26:23 PM
Great comeback by kerry

;D

You lost a fair amount of money today!



Tell me about it. Had Clare backed so made a few quid back. Have Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs backed for the soccer
Funny how every bet you mention in advance ends up losing, and every bet you tell us about afterwards has won  ;D
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2021, 10:21:34 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on May 24, 2021, 01:00:45 AM
Quote from: macker15 on May 23, 2021, 03:45:21 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 23, 2021, 03:28:13 PM
Quote from: macker15 on May 23, 2021, 03:26:23 PM
Great comeback by kerry

;D

You lost a fair amount of money today!



Tell me about it. Had Clare backed so made a few quid back. Have Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs backed for the soccer
Funny how every bet you mention in advance ends up losing, and every bet you tell us about afterwards has won  ;D

A Tony Ferron special..

Clare were 6/1 or something like that away to a 1/5 Kildare.. I smell BS
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: bennydorano on May 24, 2021, 11:50:40 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on May 24, 2021, 12:38:14 AM
Armagh v Donegal and Tyrone v Monaghan next weekend have a Championship feel to them ... win and you're in the league semi-final, lose and your in a relegation playoff.  A lot of injuries picked up this weekend and will have a big say on next week's fixtures, still all to play for though for all 4 teams in Div 1 North.  With crowds of 500 allowed back at games from May 24th I believe, any idea how they will manage the ticket allocation for next week's games?
Be interesting to see, given to Covid heroes I'd imagine, and I don't say that sarcastically - much preferable than club officers  nabbing them all. 500 is nothing, could have had 10,000+ at Armagh v Tyrone at the weekend
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Angelo on May 24, 2021, 12:07:09 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on May 24, 2021, 11:55:35 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 24, 2021, 11:50:40 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on May 24, 2021, 12:38:14 AM
Armagh v Donegal and Tyrone v Monaghan next weekend have a Championship feel to them ... win and you're in the league semi-final, lose and your in a relegation playoff.  A lot of injuries picked up this weekend and will have a big say on next week's fixtures, still all to play for though for all 4 teams in Div 1 North.  With crowds of 500 allowed back at games from May 24th I believe, any idea how they will manage the ticket allocation for next week's games?
Be interesting to see, given to Covid heroes I'd imagine, and I don't say that sarcastically - much preferable than club officers  nabbing them all. 500 is nothing, could have had 10,000+ at Armagh v Tyrone at the weekend
Surely they'll have to split the allocation between each squad for players families *if* Croke Park allow the gates to be opened for Inter County for IC games.

Seems the most logical thing to do.

2 tickets per squad member would probably have 200 covered anyway.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2021, 12:17:23 PM
Should only be given to people who have been given both vaccines, its only fair, you don't want this ones spreading it around
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on May 24, 2021, 12:33:43 PM
Ye're very partitionist folks.
If ye were true Gaels ye'd leave the gates closed so we'd have the same situation all over the 32 Counties in accordance with the ethos of the GAA.

I hear the Ulster Council will be issuing guidelines on the remaining NFL/NHL games in the 6.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2021, 12:40:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 24, 2021, 12:33:43 PM
Ye're very partitionist folks.
If ye were true Gaels ye'd leave the gates closed so we'd have the same situation all over the 32 Counties in accordance with the ethos of the GAA.

I hear the Ulster Council will be issuing guidelines on the remaining NFL/NHL games in the 6.

Like when we opened up last year?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Maroon Manc on May 24, 2021, 12:49:05 PM
Not much to get excited about despite the win but good to see another forward in Finnerty stand up and be counted, Roscommon will be a different animal on the 4th of July. Good to see so many younger player get their chance and hope that continues but could be here all day discussing Galway's deficiencies.

Seen nothing so far to suggest there's resemblance of a plan going forward.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: 5times5times on May 24, 2021, 01:05:18 PM
Whats the predictions for the semis?

Donegal (1st) v Kerry (2nd)
Dublin (1st) v Tyrone (2nd)

Armagh (3rd) v Roscommon (4th)
Monaghan (4th) v Galway (3rd)
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rudi on May 24, 2021, 01:09:20 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on May 24, 2021, 01:05:18 PM
Whats the predictions for the semis?

Donegal (1st) v Kerry (2nd)
Dublin (1st) v Tyrone (2nd)

Armagh (3rd) v Roscommon (4th)
Monaghan (4th) v Galway (3rd)

Donegal V Dublin - Dublin Win
Kerry V Tyrone - Kerry win

Armagh V Roscommon - Roscommon win
Galway V Monaghan - Galway win

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Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 24, 2021, 03:55:22 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 24, 2021, 01:09:20 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on May 24, 2021, 01:05:18 PM
Whats the predictions for the semis?

Donegal (1st) v Kerry (2nd)
Dublin (1st) v Tyrone (2nd)

Armagh (3rd) v Roscommon (4th)
Monaghan (4th) v Galway (3rd)

Donegal V Dublin - Dublin Win
Kerry V Tyrone - Kerry win

Armagh V Roscommon - Roscommon win
Galway V Monaghan - Galway win

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I'd go with Armagh and Monaghan wins if they are to be the matches.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: dec on May 24, 2021, 07:38:54 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/57215679

"Kieran McGeeney complained afterwards that the GAA's new subs rule which will allowing seven substitutes, only has five windows for them to happen, meant he was forced to make a double substitution in the first half amid his team's plethora of injuries.
And Armagh had to finish the game with 14 men after Patrick Burns, who himself had come on for Forker, was injured and could not be replaced with no more subs windows available."

So what exactly is the new substitution window rule?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Angelo on May 24, 2021, 07:43:47 PM
Quote from: dec on May 24, 2021, 07:38:54 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/57215679

"Kieran McGeeney complained afterwards that the GAA's new subs rule which will allowing seven substitutes, only has five windows for them to happen, meant he was forced to make a double substitution in the first half amid his team's plethora of injuries.
And Armagh had to finish the game with 14 men after Patrick Burns, who himself had come on for Forker, was injured and could not be replaced with no more subs windows available."

So what exactly is the new substitution window rule?

You can make 7 substitutes but you can only make subs at 5 points in the game.

Therefore if you are to use your allotted 7 subs you would needed to use one (or two) of the slots to make multiple subs.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: yellowcard on May 24, 2021, 07:45:55 PM
Quote from: dec on May 24, 2021, 07:38:54 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/57215679

"Kieran McGeeney complained afterwards that the GAA's new subs rule which will allowing seven substitutes, only has five windows for them to happen, meant he was forced to make a double substitution in the first half amid his team's plethora of injuries.
And Armagh had to finish the game with 14 men after Patrick Burns, who himself had come on for Forker, was injured and could not be replaced with no more subs windows available."

So what exactly is the new substitution window rule?

Surely 7 subs is more than enough. If you're worried about having to play the game out with 14 men then hold back on making the final substitution. Or is McGeeneys argument that there are only 5 designated windows for making substitutions, seems bizarre.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on May 24, 2021, 09:14:24 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 24, 2021, 07:45:55 PM
Quote from: dec on May 24, 2021, 07:38:54 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/57215679

"Kieran McGeeney complained afterwards that the GAA's new subs rule which will allowing seven substitutes, only has five windows for them to happen, meant he was forced to make a double substitution in the first half amid his team's plethora of injuries.
And Armagh had to finish the game with 14 men after Patrick Burns, who himself had come on for Forker, was injured and could not be replaced with no more subs windows available."

So what exactly is the new substitution window rule?

Surely 7 subs is more than enough. If you're worried about having to play the game out with 14 men then hold back on making the final substitution. Or is McGeeneys argument that there are only 5 designated windows for making substitutions, seems bizarre.

Sounds very much like McGeeney didn't actually bother to read the rule in relation to the 7 subs and then got caught out.

Someone should make sure to tell him that the 7 subs rule is for the league only, or he'll be moaning about that come championship as well.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on May 25, 2021, 09:16:14 AM
It's a stupid rule
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 25, 2021, 09:38:13 AM
stops a manager stopping the game 7 times, and two teams would be 14 stoppages
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2021, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 25, 2021, 09:38:13 AM
stops a manager stopping the game 7 times, and two teams would be 14 stoppages

30 seconds per sub. That's 7 mins
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: 5times5times on May 25, 2021, 10:06:56 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2021, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 25, 2021, 09:38:13 AM
stops a manager stopping the game 7 times, and two teams would be 14 stoppages

30 seconds per sub. That's 7 mins


Basically the length of time every Donegal match stops for while McHugh is rolling around the ground as per usual. How no refs have picked up on this is mind-boggling.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 25, 2021, 03:45:44 PM
Should be more than 500 but a starting point to allow supporters back to games.

QuoteThe GAA can confirm that from this weekend 500 spectators will be permitted to attend Allianz League games in the Six Counties.

With cross border travel for non-essential reasons discouraged and following discussions with Ulster GAA, the following breakdown has been agreed.

50 complimentary tickets to travelling county from outside the north (non-playing players and county officials) No sale for spectators.
50 complimentary tickets to home county (non-playing players and county officials).
400 tickets to each host county - to sell locally only.
Tickets will be sold via county boards locally with the following pricing:

£15 Division 1 and 2 Football & Division 1 Hurling and £10 Division 3 and 4 Football and Division 2 and 3 Hurling. There will be no concession tickets due to limited numbers.

These arrangements will be reviewed at the conclusion of the Allianz Leagues in line with public health advice at that time
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on May 25, 2021, 07:15:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2021, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 25, 2021, 09:38:13 AM
stops a manager stopping the game 7 times, and two teams would be 14 stoppages

30 seconds per sub. That's 7 mins

Officially refs are supposed to only add 20 seconds on for every sub.

I would say that the number of matches where the entire sub process took only 20 seconds would be very small.

Does anyone else think it would be an improvement if the number of sub windows was reduced ?
Teams could have 3 sub windows per game [assuming 5 subs] but subs made at half-time [or at a water-break while they are around] don't count towards the use of a sub window.

I'd also like some sort of move where only injury subs are allowed in the last 10 minutes of normal time and injury time.

I think the momentum and flow of games is very disrupted by these late on subs, when the game is almost over.

These late subs are used by teams who are ahead to slow things down, take energy/spark/momentum out of the game.

Also in terms of players, I think being brought on late on/in injury time when you'd a very high odds of not even getting a touch is almost worse than not being brought on at all.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 25, 2021, 07:56:36 PM
Permutations for Division 1 North

Saturday May 29

Armagh v Donegal, Athletic Grounds, 7:30pm - eir Sport

Tyrone v Monaghan, Healy Park, 7.30pm - GAAGO

It's all still to play for in Division 1 North will Donegal, Tyrone, Armagh, and Monaghan all still having a mathematical chance of finishing in the top two places and qualifying for the semi-finals.

Donegal are currently in pole position and need just to draw with Armagh on Saturday to make the semi-finals. Armagh will definitely secure their place in the semi-finals with a win but could also squeeze through with a draw as long as Monaghan beat Tyrone.

Tyrone are guaranteed semi-final qualification if they defeat Monaghan. A victory for Monaghan could also see them qualify for the semi-finals, but only if Donegal beat Armagh.

If Monaghan win and Armagh draw with Donegal, then Monaghan and Armagh would finish on three points each but Armagh would finish above Monaghan due to the head to head rule.

If both matches finish in a draw then Donegal and Tyrone will advance to the semi-finals.

Permutations for Division 1 South

Sunday May 30

Galway v Dublin, St Jarlath's Park, 3:45pm - TG4

Roscommon v Kerry, Dr Hyde Park, 3.45pm - TG4 Player

Kerry and Dublin are currently in the top two positions in Division 1 South with three points from two matches, with Kerry already guaranteed a place in the semi-finals thanks to their superior scoring difference.

Dublin can also qualify for the Division 1 semi-finals if they defeat or draw with Galway this weekend. If Galway win that match, then they and Kerry will advance to the semi-finals.

Roscommon are destined to finish fourth even if they beat Kerry because they'll lose out to Galway on the head to head rule if both teams finish on two points each.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2021, 08:30:40 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 25, 2021, 07:15:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2021, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 25, 2021, 09:38:13 AM
stops a manager stopping the game 7 times, and two teams would be 14 stoppages

30 seconds per sub. That's 7 mins

Officially refs are supposed to only add 20 seconds on for every sub.

I would say that the number of matches where the entire sub process took only 20 seconds would be very small.

Does anyone else think it would be an improvement if the number of sub windows was reduced ?
Teams could have 3 sub windows per game [assuming 5 subs] but subs made at half-time [or at a water-break while they are around] don't count towards the use of a sub window.

I'd also like some sort of move where only injury subs are allowed in the last 10 minutes of normal time and injury time.

I think the momentum and flow of games is very disrupted by these late on subs, when the game is almost over.

These late subs are used by teams who are ahead to slow things down, take energy/spark/momentum out of the game.

Also in terms of players, I think being brought on late on/in injury time when you'd a very high odds of not even getting a touch is almost worse than not being brought on at all.

Injury subs only at that point will encourage lads to drop and let on they have an injury!

The last 15 minute break the ref should just stop his watch for every second the ball is not in play bar wides, goal kicks and frees. The likes of real  injuries or medical treatments the watch stops,  raise his hand stops his watch, like rugby, eventually lying down won't make much difference, momentum is one factor too though, running down the clock should only happen with the ball in play.

I'd a team trying it on, 3 points up lad goes down with cramp, I said play on, the manager was shouting take your helmet off, I stopped the watch, which added on 3 more minutes, the other team scored two goals in final minutes to win the game by a point.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: JoG2 on May 25, 2021, 10:58:45 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on May 25, 2021, 10:06:56 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2021, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 25, 2021, 09:38:13 AM
stops a manager stopping the game 7 times, and two teams would be 14 stoppages

30 seconds per sub. That's 7 mins


Basically the length of time every Donegal match stops for while McHugh is rolling around the ground as per usual. How no refs have picked up on this is mind-boggling.

Must have Tyrone blood in him
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: yellowcard on May 25, 2021, 11:32:42 PM
The timing issue is very easily resolved by way of a stop clock similar to rugby and ladies football. How it hasn't been introduced at this stage is baffling.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on May 26, 2021, 12:06:05 AM
In general time keeping has vastly improved these past few years. In the bad old days  2 mins and 3 mins added time  were common and most of that added time could be take up with cynical play, the winning team's  players queueing up to inflict the yellow card tackle or a stubborn rule book ref running 100m to consult with an umpire over whether to caution a handbags indiscretion.

I'm looking forward to Tyrone v Monaghan, both teams should have their peckers up, though playing Tyrone  these days is a rather tame affair since Tyrone lost their mojo. It's not such a big deal to beat them as it once was.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on May 26, 2021, 11:54:34 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 25, 2021, 11:32:42 PM
The timing issue is very easily resolved by way of a stop clock similar to rugby and ladies football. How it hasn't been introduced at this stage is baffling.
Didn't Congress approve a hooter system some years ago?
As I recall the GAA said that it was too complicated to introduce so it was shelved.
Cynics felt it was because the Refs couldn't play for draws  ::)
Now that we're having extra time and shoot outs I think it could be re examined.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: armaghniac on May 26, 2021, 12:20:12 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 26, 2021, 11:54:34 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 25, 2021, 11:32:42 PM
The timing issue is very easily resolved by way of a stop clock similar to rugby and ladies football. How it hasn't been introduced at this stage is baffling.
Didn't Congress approve a hooter system some years ago?
As I recall the GAA said that it was too complicated to introduce so it was shelved.
Cynics felt it was because the Refs couldn't play for draws  ::)
Now that we're having extra time and shoot outs I think it could be re examined.

Perhaps they do not admire the Ladies' hooters.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: skeog on May 26, 2021, 01:37:24 PM
I dont believe its fair that fans are allowed in on Saturday.We are a 32 county organization and it should be all in or nobody.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 26, 2021, 02:54:38 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 26, 2021, 01:37:24 PM
I dont believe its fair that fans are allowed in on Saturday.We are a 32 county organization and it should be all in or nobody.

Like it or lump it, it's a 32 county organisation in two separate political jurisdictions.

It's a political issue in a sporting context.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 26, 2021, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 26, 2021, 02:54:38 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 26, 2021, 01:37:24 PM
I dont believe its fair that fans are allowed in on Saturday.We are a 32 county organization and it should be all in or nobody.

Like it or lump it, it's a 32 county organisation in two separate political jurisdictions.

It's a political issue in a sporting context.

Did the south not start before the north last time?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 26, 2021, 06:00:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 26, 2021, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 26, 2021, 02:54:38 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 26, 2021, 01:37:24 PM
I dont believe its fair that fans are allowed in on Saturday.We are a 32 county organization and it should be all in or nobody.

Like it or lump it, it's a 32 county organisation in two separate political jurisdictions.

It's a political issue in a sporting context.

Did the south not start before the north last time?

Different this time. The six counties are about 3 week ahead on the vaccine roll out.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on May 27, 2021, 07:30:52 AM
Quote from: skeog on May 26, 2021, 01:37:24 PM
I dont believe its fair that fans are allowed in on Saturday.We are a 32 county organization and it should be all in or nobody.
South should let people in then. Can't punish the North for having slightly less incompetent people in charge.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 27, 2021, 09:57:18 AM
the EU has been sending ye the vaccines!!
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 27, 2021, 10:11:51 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 26, 2021, 06:00:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 26, 2021, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 26, 2021, 02:54:38 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 26, 2021, 01:37:24 PM
I dont believe its fair that fans are allowed in on Saturday.We are a 32 county organization and it should be all in or nobody.

Like it or lump it, it's a 32 county organisation in two separate political jurisdictions.

It's a political issue in a sporting context.

Did the south not start before the north last time?

Different this time. The six counties are about 3 week ahead on the vaccine roll out.

Different because it was 2 weeks last time?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 27, 2021, 10:14:13 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 27, 2021, 10:11:51 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 26, 2021, 06:00:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 26, 2021, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 26, 2021, 02:54:38 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 26, 2021, 01:37:24 PM
I dont believe its fair that fans are allowed in on Saturday.We are a 32 county organization and it should be all in or nobody.

Like it or lump it, it's a 32 county organisation in two separate political jurisdictions.

It's a political issue in a sporting context.

Did the south not start before the north last time?

Different this time. The six counties are about 3 week ahead on the vaccine roll out.

Different because it was 2 weeks last time?

A journo reporting 2 tickets per club for the games this weekend. Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: mackers on May 27, 2021, 12:05:44 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 27, 2021, 10:14:13 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 27, 2021, 10:11:51 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 26, 2021, 06:00:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 26, 2021, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 26, 2021, 02:54:38 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 26, 2021, 01:37:24 PM
I dont believe its fair that fans are allowed in on Saturday.We are a 32 county organization and it should be all in or nobody.

Like it or lump it, it's a 32 county organisation in two separate political jurisdictions.

It's a political issue in a sporting context.

Did the south not start before the north last time?

Different this time. The six counties are about 3 week ahead on the vaccine roll out.

Different because it was 2 weeks last time?

A journo reporting 2 tickets per club for the games this weekend. Good luck with that.
It's 5 per club in Armagh anyway.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on May 27, 2021, 12:40:35 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 27, 2021, 10:14:13 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 27, 2021, 10:11:51 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 26, 2021, 06:00:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 26, 2021, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 26, 2021, 02:54:38 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 26, 2021, 01:37:24 PM
I dont believe its fair that fans are allowed in on Saturday.We are a 32 county organization and it should be all in or nobody.

Like it or lump it, it's a 32 county organisation in two separate political jurisdictions.

It's a political issue in a sporting context.

Did the south not start before the north last time?

Different this time. The six counties are about 3 week ahead on the vaccine roll out.

Different because it was 2 weeks last time?

A journo reporting 2 tickets per club for the games this weekend. Good luck with that.
Chairman and secretary. Or names in a hat? Whats the problem?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: BennyCake on May 27, 2021, 02:31:23 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 27, 2021, 12:40:35 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 27, 2021, 10:14:13 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 27, 2021, 10:11:51 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 26, 2021, 06:00:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 26, 2021, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 26, 2021, 02:54:38 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 26, 2021, 01:37:24 PM
I dont believe its fair that fans are allowed in on Saturday.We are a 32 county organization and it should be all in or nobody.

Like it or lump it, it's a 32 county organisation in two separate political jurisdictions.

It's a political issue in a sporting context.

Did the south not start before the north last time?

Different this time. The six counties are about 3 week ahead on the vaccine roll out.

Different because it was 2 weeks last time?

A journo reporting 2 tickets per club for the games this weekend. Good luck with that.
Chairman and secretary. Or names in a hat? Whats the problem?

Aye, two names in the hat. The chairman and secretary's.

When it comes to ticket allocation, the CB should be in charge.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: delgany on May 27, 2021, 02:38:06 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 27, 2021, 02:31:23 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 27, 2021, 12:40:35 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 27, 2021, 10:14:13 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 27, 2021, 10:11:51 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 26, 2021, 06:00:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 26, 2021, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 26, 2021, 02:54:38 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 26, 2021, 01:37:24 PM
I dont believe its fair that fans are allowed in on Saturday.We are a 32 county organization and it should be all in or nobody.

Like it or lump it, it's a 32 county organisation in two separate political jurisdictions.

It's a political issue in a sporting context.

Did the south not start before the north last time?

Different this time. The six counties are about 3 week ahead on the vaccine roll out.

Different because it was 2 weeks last time?

A journo reporting 2 tickets per club for the games this weekend. Good luck with that.
Chairman and secretary. Or names in a hat? Whats the problem?

Aye, two names in the hat. The chairman and secretary's.

When it comes to ticket allocation, the CB should be in charge.

Absolutely , tickets reserved for chair & secretary  should be an automatic , considering the work they do
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on May 27, 2021, 06:47:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 27, 2021, 10:11:51 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 26, 2021, 06:00:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 26, 2021, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 26, 2021, 02:54:38 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 26, 2021, 01:37:24 PM
I dont believe its fair that fans are allowed in on Saturday.We are a 32 county organization and it should be all in or nobody.

Like it or lump it, it's a 32 county organisation in two separate political jurisdictions.

It's a political issue in a sporting context.

Did the south not start before the north last time?

Different this time. The six counties are about 3 week ahead on the vaccine roll out.

Different because it was 2 weeks last time?
The joke use to be, 'you're now entering Northern Ireland, put your clocks back 50 years'   Was it Frank Carson?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: smelmoth on May 27, 2021, 08:44:34 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 26, 2021, 01:37:24 PM
I dont believe its fair that fans are allowed in on Saturday.We are a 32 county organization and it should be all in or nobody.

Nonsense. Presumably a joke?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on May 27, 2021, 08:56:38 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 27, 2021, 08:44:34 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 26, 2021, 01:37:24 PM
I dont believe its fair that fans are allowed in on Saturday.We are a 32 county organization and it should be all in or nobody.

Nonsense. Presumably a joke?

You would hope so
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Nanderson on May 27, 2021, 09:01:48 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 26, 2021, 06:00:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 26, 2021, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 26, 2021, 02:54:38 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 26, 2021, 01:37:24 PM
I dont believe its fair that fans are allowed in on Saturday.We are a 32 county organization and it should be all in or nobody.

Like it or lump it, it's a 32 county organisation in two separate political jurisdictions.

It's a political issue in a sporting context.

Did the south not start before the north last time?

Different this time. The six counties are about 3 week ahead on the vaccine roll out.
NI is well ahead. Vaccines open to all adults now whilst down south is still on 45+
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: BennyCake on May 27, 2021, 10:29:47 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 27, 2021, 02:38:06 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 27, 2021, 02:31:23 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 27, 2021, 12:40:35 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 27, 2021, 10:14:13 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 27, 2021, 10:11:51 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 26, 2021, 06:00:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 26, 2021, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 26, 2021, 02:54:38 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 26, 2021, 01:37:24 PM
I dont believe its fair that fans are allowed in on Saturday.We are a 32 county organization and it should be all in or nobody.

Like it or lump it, it's a 32 county organisation in two separate political jurisdictions.

It's a political issue in a sporting context.

Did the south not start before the north last time?

Different this time. The six counties are about 3 week ahead on the vaccine roll out.

Different because it was 2 weeks last time?

A journo reporting 2 tickets per club for the games this weekend. Good luck with that.
Chairman and secretary. Or names in a hat? Whats the problem?

Aye, two names in the hat. The chairman and secretary's.

When it comes to ticket allocation, the CB should be in charge.

Absolutely , tickets reserved for chair & secretary  should be an automatic , considering the work they do

Yes, I've no problem with secretary, chairman etc getting their tickets. It's when the chairman's/secretary's family and friends/partners/cousins/milkman/dogwalker all get sorted with tickets, that's the problem.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 27, 2021, 10:44:57 PM
From June 7th 200 supporters allowed to attend matches and increased to 500 for July 5th. The Irish government and NPHET remain very cautious in their approach.

At least all semi finals and relegation play offs should have some supporters in attendance.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: StephenC on May 28, 2021, 01:03:48 PM
Michael Murphy out for tomorrow's game. Armagh will be happy to have a rattle at our defense and I expect they'll put up a big score on us. We'll do the same on them however. Expecting a shoot-out with us winning by a couple of points.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: 5times5times on May 28, 2021, 04:09:51 PM
Quote from: StephenC on May 28, 2021, 01:03:48 PM
Michael Murphy out for tomorrow's game. Armagh will be happy to have a rattle at our defense and I expect they'll put up a big score on us. We'll do the same on them however. Expecting a shoot-out with us winning by a couple of points.

Read today/yday Armagh lost 5/6 defenders last Sat vs Tyrone, so whatever chance they have stopping that donegal attack with a full defence, not gona happen tomorrow. Donegal by 8+
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: blanketattack on May 28, 2021, 04:13:09 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 25, 2021, 07:56:36 PM

Permutations for Division 1 South

Sunday May 30

Galway v Dublin, St Jarlath's Park, 3:45pm - TG4

Roscommon v Kerry, Dr Hyde Park, 3.45pm - TG4 Player

Kerry and Dublin are currently in the top two positions in Division 1 South with three points from two matches, with Kerry already guaranteed a place in the semi-finals thanks to their superior scoring difference.

Dublin can also qualify for the Division 1 semi-finals if they defeat or draw with Galway this weekend. If Galway win that match, then they and Kerry will advance to the semi-finals.

Roscommon are destined to finish fourth even if they beat Kerry because they'll lose out to Galway on the head to head rule if both teams finish on two points each.

Not true. Kerry can still get into a relegation playoff if Galway and Roscommon win and Roscommon's margin of victory is 14 pts greater than Galway's (or is 13pts greater and Dublin score 9 pts more than Kerry, (or score 8 pts more and defeat Kerry in a play-off for the play-off))
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on May 28, 2021, 08:23:25 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on May 28, 2021, 04:09:51 PM
Quote from: StephenC on May 28, 2021, 01:03:48 PM
Michael Murphy out for tomorrow's game. Armagh will be happy to have a rattle at our defense and I expect they'll put up a big score on us. We'll do the same on them however. Expecting a shoot-out with us winning by a couple of points.

Read today/yday Armagh lost 5/6 defenders last Sat vs Tyrone, so whatever chance they have stopping that donegal attack with a full defence, not gona happen tomorrow. Donegal by 8+

4. Unless others have been injured during the week
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on May 28, 2021, 08:39:19 PM
We probably won't beat Kerry by 15 Blanket.
3 or 4 would do grand ;D
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rudi on May 29, 2021, 07:36:26 PM
Frees from the hand never taken in the position where the free was originally awarded. A difficult angle becomes straight forward.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on May 29, 2021, 07:40:57 PM
Donegal left the shooting boots at home early doors.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on May 29, 2021, 07:52:39 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 29, 2021, 07:40:57 PM
Donegal left the shooting boots at home early doors.

Donegal could have scored 2-3 if they had the shooting boots with them.
Some very poor efforts by the Donegal lads.
Armagh looking lively - playing well on the counter especially Soupy- willing to play fast kick ball into their forwards in stark contrast to Donegal who are handassing and soloing up the field every single time allowing Armagh to get their defence back and set up.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: J70 on May 29, 2021, 07:53:03 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 29, 2021, 07:40:57 PM
Donegal left the shooting boots at home early doors.

Weren't prepared to face a blanket defense either.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on May 29, 2021, 07:58:03 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 29, 2021, 07:53:03 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 29, 2021, 07:40:57 PM
Donegal left the shooting boots at home early doors.

Weren't prepared to face a blanket defense either.

There too busy mouthing at the Armagh players rather than focusing on the football
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: J70 on May 29, 2021, 08:01:38 PM
That's fuckin brutal from Donegal with the mouthing.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on May 29, 2021, 08:03:38 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 29, 2021, 08:01:38 PM
That's fuckin brutal from Donegal with the mouthing.

It's unbelievable. For a good team I can't see whey they are continually at it.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: J70 on May 29, 2021, 08:06:25 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 29, 2021, 08:03:38 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 29, 2021, 08:01:38 PM
That's fuckin brutal from Donegal with the mouthing.

It's unbelievable. For a good team I can't see whey they are continually at it.

They've gifted Armagh 0-2 already
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on May 29, 2021, 08:09:02 PM
Clarke deluded on the reffing - after one of frees awarded against Armagh he went on about the Armagh player getting good contact on the player - a blatant push to the chest no contact with the ball whatsoever.

The ref did get the one he pulled back wrong.

A harsh ref could have black-carded two Donegal players for tackling Armagh players off the ball.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 29, 2021, 08:11:18 PM
Armagh well worth the 4 point half time lead, have defended well so far or be Donegal look a little lost without Michael Murphy.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: J70 on May 29, 2021, 08:11:59 PM
Sloppy half of football from Donegal at both ends.

Armagh well worth their lead.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on May 29, 2021, 08:16:32 PM
Good first half for us. Great point right at the end there
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: sidelineball on May 29, 2021, 08:18:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 29, 2021, 08:11:18 PM
Armagh well worth the 4 point half time lead, have defended well so far or be Donegal look a little lost without Michael Murphy.

I think most people now accept Donegal are a one man team? Surely that's evident to even the most casual observer 
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rudi on May 29, 2021, 08:32:48 PM
Langan some goal.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: J70 on May 29, 2021, 08:38:30 PM
Conor O'Donnell showing the brother how it's done
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on May 29, 2021, 08:43:08 PM
GAA Go is some shambles this evening.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on May 29, 2021, 08:43:58 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 29, 2021, 08:43:08 PM
GAA Go is some shambles this evening.

I'm having issues with it as well. First time.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: omagh_gael on May 29, 2021, 08:45:32 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 29, 2021, 08:43:08 PM
GAA Go is some shambles this evening.

Thought it was just me, ball of shite
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on May 29, 2021, 08:47:07 PM
Tyrone v Monaghan on GAAgo,  instead of carrying on with the live coverage of the 2nd half, it has reverted to showing the first half again. 

Northern Sound is grand though, almost as good as the tv.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rudi on May 29, 2021, 08:49:43 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 29, 2021, 08:38:30 PM
Conor O'Donnell showing the brother how it's done

He looks the part.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 29, 2021, 08:50:04 PM
Well worked goal for Armagh.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rudi on May 29, 2021, 08:52:28 PM
That was high, lucky boy.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on May 29, 2021, 08:52:53 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 29, 2021, 08:52:28 PM
That was high, lucky boy.

Red all day long.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: J70 on May 29, 2021, 08:53:29 PM
How the f**k is that not a red??
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on May 29, 2021, 08:56:10 PM
I think that's the second time McFadden has been late on a player not in possession.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on May 29, 2021, 08:56:38 PM
I've lost count at the amount of times Ger Canning has called a player the wrong name. The Conor McManus/McCarthy/McKenna trio seemed to be a real challenge early. 
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: bennydorano on May 29, 2021, 08:57:59 PM
Can't believe how bad Donegal are ( no matter what way this ends up), they are not contenders.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: J70 on May 29, 2021, 09:00:20 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 29, 2021, 08:57:59 PM
Can't believe how bad Donegal are ( no matter what way this ends up), they are not contenders.

We're contenders for Ulster, as always recently.

That's it.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rudi on May 29, 2021, 09:13:13 PM
Enjoyable game, Donegal deserve huge credit for getting a draw again.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: J70 on May 29, 2021, 09:14:58 PM
Did well to get the draw in the end, again, but Bonner has a lot of work to do ahead of the championship.

Feel sorry for Eoghan McGettigan. Did not take his chance today with a lot of forwards out.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 29, 2021, 09:16:25 PM
Armagh left that win and semi final place behind them. The three competitive performances should give the lads plenty of confidence going into the relegation play off.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: bennydorano on May 29, 2021, 09:18:14 PM
If Armagh can stay up after a relegation play off that will be a result, not getting destroyed by our neighbours should be a good booster, getting annihilated by Kerry or Dublin in a semi wouldn't have helped the cause. Just need to find a few defenders and a gk outa somewhere. 
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on May 29, 2021, 09:18:30 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 29, 2021, 09:13:13 PM
Enjoyable game, Donegal deserve huge credit for getting a draw again.

Yeah I'd say Bonner happier than McGeeney.

Armagh will surely fancy themselves against Roscommon and Monaghan will be hoping for Galway in the other relegation game.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rudi on May 29, 2021, 09:21:48 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 29, 2021, 09:18:30 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 29, 2021, 09:13:13 PM
Enjoyable game, Donegal deserve huge credit for getting a draw again.

Yeah I'd say Bonner happier than McGeeney.

Armagh will surely fancy themselves against Roscommon and Monaghan will be hoping for Galway in the other relegation game.

Armagh have improved and are worthy of their place in Div 1. On form they should beat Roscommon,  however I would not rule the Rossies out.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on May 29, 2021, 09:23:59 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 29, 2021, 09:18:14 PM
If Armagh can stay up after a relegation play off that will be a result, not getting destroyed by our neighbours should be a good booster, getting annihilated by Kerry or Dublin in a semi wouldn't have helped the cause. Just need to find a few defenders and a gk outa somewhere.

The Armagh standard of tackling continues to be so poor throughout the team - someone needs to explain to them that they need to at least pretend that their tackling attempts are aimed at the ball as opposed to at the man. They continually make it easy for refs to give frees against them.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on May 29, 2021, 09:25:34 PM
Draw in Omagh. Pity Monaghan couldn't have pushed on for the win, but can't have too many complaints after that shocking first half, Tyrone should have been well ahead.

Jack McCarron going off on a black was a killer, not only were we a man down for the finish, but I'd have fancied him to slot over that free Hughes missed. Oh well, with Donegal not winning we were headed for a relegation playoff anyway, but it would have been a morale boost to win, been a while without one now.

Thought Coldrick was way too involved with the cards in the second half too, wasn't a dirty game.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on May 29, 2021, 09:26:46 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 29, 2021, 09:21:48 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 29, 2021, 09:18:30 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 29, 2021, 09:13:13 PM
Enjoyable game, Donegal deserve huge credit for getting a draw again.

Yeah I'd say Bonner happier than McGeeney.

Armagh will surely fancy themselves against Roscommon and Monaghan will be hoping for Galway in the other relegation game.

Armagh have improved and are worthy of their place in Div 1. On form they should beat Roscommon,  however I would not rule the Rossies out.

Not a cert by any means but Armagh would be favourites based on what both sides have shown in their games so far in the league.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Solo_run on May 29, 2021, 09:28:17 PM
Armagh have a terrible goalkeeper and defence. They seem to have an inability to control the match when it is close and they are running low on energy. What Donegal were doing in the last 5 minutes is what Armagh should be doing in the last 10.

Donegal were winning every 50/50 kick out from the Armagh goalkeeper and the tactic didn't change thus giving Donegal the chance to score. 
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on May 29, 2021, 09:34:18 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on May 29, 2021, 09:28:17 PM
Armagh have a terrible goalkeeper and defence. They seem to have an inability to control the match when it is close and they are running low on energy. What Donegal were doing in the last 5 minutes is what Armagh should be doing in the last 10.

Donegal were winning every 50/50 kick out from the Armagh goalkeeper and the tactic didn't change thus giving Donegal the chance to score.

The hail mary point effort from Armagh was just an awful awful turnover.

That run of Armagh's kickouts that Donegal won late on was painful to watch.

Worth remembering that this is Armagh's first year in Division 1 in a while - you have a much better chance of getting away with this type of play in Division 2/3 but in Division 1 the better standard of the opposition mean that slackness like this will get punished.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Solo_run on May 29, 2021, 09:43:43 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 29, 2021, 09:34:18 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on May 29, 2021, 09:28:17 PM
Armagh have a terrible goalkeeper and defence. They seem to have an inability to control the match when it is close and they are running low on energy. What Donegal were doing in the last 5 minutes is what Armagh should be doing in the last 10.

Donegal were winning every 50/50 kick out from the Armagh goalkeeper and the tactic didn't change thus giving Donegal the chance to score.

The hail mary point effort from Armagh was just an awful awful turnover.

That run of Armagh's kickouts that Donegal won late on was painful to watch.

Worth remembering that this is Armagh's first year in Division 1 in a while - you have a much better chance of getting away with this type of play in Division 2/3 but in Division 1 the better standard of the opposition mean that slackness like this will get punished.

Absolutely rinsed on the 50/50 balls. You would think a goalkeeper would stop doing it and vary his kick-outs. Hughes has been goalkeeper for Armagh (although he is an outfield player for his club) for a while. He needs to realise when something isn't working he has to change it up. He still makes the mistake of kicking the ball directly to the opposition with no Armagh player near. No wonder our defence is bad if he isn't telling them what is going on when he doesn't know himself.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on May 29, 2021, 09:44:29 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 29, 2021, 09:25:34 PM
Draw in Omagh. Pity Monaghan couldn't have pushed on for the win, but can't have too many complaints after that shocking first half, Tyrone should have been well ahead.

Jack McCarron going off on a black was a killer, not only were we a man down for the finish, but I'd have fancied him to slot over that free Hughes missed. Oh well, with Donegal not winning we were headed for a relegation playoff anyway, but it would have been a morale boost to win, been a while without one now.

Thought Coldrick was way too involved with the cards in the second half too, wasn't a dirty game.
In added time Coldrick used up about 3 minutes consulting and dishing out blacks and yellows but did not add any time to compensate.

Hard to tell but I think we look a bit better than last year when we struggled against Meath and the game of shame v Cavan.
The repeat of the proven awful tactic of arsing about in our own half  v Donegal was  the low point in these 3 league games.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on May 29, 2021, 09:53:26 PM
Dublin and Kerry (and probably Mayo and Galway) may be the better teams but you can't beat ulster clashes for tight games and drama. Very little separating the div1 north teams and that's without last year's ulster champions in it
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on May 29, 2021, 10:10:52 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 29, 2021, 09:53:26 PM
Dublin and Kerry (and probably Mayo and Galway) may be the better teams but you can't beat ulster clashes for tight games and drama. Very little separating the div1 north teams and that's without last year's ulster champions in it

You could have just stopped after the first two teams there
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: J70 on May 29, 2021, 10:12:35 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 29, 2021, 10:10:52 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 29, 2021, 09:53:26 PM
Dublin and Kerry (and probably Mayo and Galway) may be the better teams but you can't beat ulster clashes for tight games and drama. Very little separating the div1 north teams and that's without last year's ulster champions in it

You could have just stopped after the first two teams there

The proof will be in the pudding.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: greatpoint on May 29, 2021, 10:14:07 PM
It has been Dublin and then everyone else for a long time now.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: armaghniac on May 29, 2021, 11:01:10 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 29, 2021, 10:14:07 PM
It has been Dublin and then everyone else for a long time now.

And there are a dozen teams in the everyone else who could provide competitive games among each other.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on May 29, 2021, 11:28:44 PM
The media are looking for someone to talk up outside of the Dublin team.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on May 30, 2021, 04:28:42 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 29, 2021, 11:28:44 PM
The media are looking for someone to talk up outside of the Dublin team.
The media are part of the problem. They pretend that everything is normal..The best example is the All Ireland Final. The sacrificial lamb must have a chance if they can score goals Des.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 30, 2021, 09:25:43 AM
I see Banty could be in trouble off the pitch. Not connected to football
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on May 30, 2021, 09:58:36 AM
Quote from: macker15 on May 30, 2021, 09:25:43 AM
I see Banty could be in trouble off the pitch. Not connected to football

What's this?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: delgany on May 30, 2021, 10:06:44 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 30, 2021, 09:58:36 AM
Quote from: macker15 on May 30, 2021, 09:25:43 AM
I see Banty could be in trouble off the pitch. Not connected to football

What's this?

https://dublininquirer.com/2020/05/20/in-drumcondra-some-question-whether-new-homeless-hostel-should-be-privately-run

Wouldnt be this ?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on May 30, 2021, 11:55:52 AM
More than likely a handy win for Kerry today while anything is possible in Tuam but Dublin will still win.
Semis Dublin v Donegal and Tyrone v Kerry.
An improved level of performance by Ros today is the best we can hope for.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Eire90 on May 30, 2021, 01:14:49 PM
what an absolute stupid rule that league final probably wont be played if they are playing the week after.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: smelmoth on May 30, 2021, 02:25:39 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 30, 2021, 01:14:49 PM
what an absolute stupid rule that league final probably wont be played if they are playing the week after.

What rule is this then?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Hound on May 30, 2021, 02:46:23 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 30, 2021, 02:25:39 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 30, 2021, 01:14:49 PM
what an absolute stupid rule that league final probably wont be played if they are playing the week after.

What rule is this then?
The rule basically is that it would be unfair on Donegal to play in the league final one week, then the preliminary round of Ulster the following week. Therefore, if they get to the league final, they will be awarded the league jointly with the other finalist. 

Same applies to any other teams in the same position in the other divisions. Not sure if there are any games apart from the Ulster prelim scheduled for the week after league final weekend.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: armaghniac on May 30, 2021, 03:36:50 PM
Likely Dublin will beat Donegal and the issue won't arise
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Boycey on May 30, 2021, 03:42:39 PM
It's something I wasn't aware of either and came up in commentary of Mayo match earlier. I'm nearly sure they said there would be no League Final should Kerry be in it either?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on May 30, 2021, 04:27:18 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 30, 2021, 03:36:50 PM
Likely Dublin will beat Donegal and the issue won't arise
A dead rubber game from Donegal's perspective, from now on their full focus is on preparing for the championship.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 30, 2021, 04:32:06 PM
Half times

Roscommon 0-7 Kerry 0-10
Galway 0-8 Dublin 0-8
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 30, 2021, 04:32:16 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 30, 2021, 02:46:23 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 30, 2021, 02:25:39 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 30, 2021, 01:14:49 PM
what an absolute stupid rule that league final probably wont be played if they are playing the week after.

What rule is this then?
The rule basically is that it would be unfair on Donegal to play in the league final one week, then the preliminary round of Ulster the following week. Therefore, if they get to the league final, they will be awarded the league jointly with the other finalist. 

Same applies to any other teams in the same position in the other divisions. Not sure if there are any games apart from the Ulster prelim scheduled for the week after league final weekend.

Mayo v Sligo is on that weekend too.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on May 30, 2021, 04:33:08 PM
Quote from: Boycey on May 30, 2021, 03:42:39 PM
It's something I wasn't aware of either and came up in commentary of Mayo match earlier. I'm nearly sure they said there would be no League Final should Kerry be in it either?

Yeah same thing applies for Kerry - The Ulster Council at least have some excuse with Donegal's game being a preliminary round game. The Munster Council could easily have pushed back the Kerry Clare game to the following weekend.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on May 30, 2021, 04:59:16 PM
For the love of God can we please work on a kickout strategy by the time C'ship comes
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Mayo Border on May 30, 2021, 05:02:29 PM
Johnny Cooper drops the knee into the ribs there. He just cant resist an opportunity. Card given is yellow- why not red
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Solo_run on May 30, 2021, 05:28:11 PM
What were Roscommon like in the last ten minutes? They were keeping up with Kerry but Kerry either upped the tempo of Roscommon tired in the last ten minutes conceding 2-3 but scoring a goal themselves.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 30, 2021, 05:29:54 PM
Quote from: Mayo Border on May 30, 2021, 05:02:29 PM
Johnny Cooper drops the knee into the ribs there. He just cant resist an opportunity. Card given is yellow- why not red

The O'Connor brothers would of been proud of that one!
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on May 30, 2021, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: galwayman on May 30, 2021, 04:59:16 PM
For the love of God can we please work on a kickout strategy by the time C'ship comes
Painful to watch all game, the first Dublin goal was shambolic but directly came from a Dublin free mark because the kick out was just punted down the middle to no one by Power, the camera from behind the goal was able to show just how poor Galway are on kick outs all game long..

Dublin with half a team eased through that after the first water break, Galway are nowhere near top level at the minute, job on to stay up now but they have a chance at least.
Just cannot keep Comer fit and on the pitch, we do not have the panel to replace players like that.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2021, 05:44:54 PM
Top notch performance from Walsh.  If Comer is fit during the summer, the two of them could notch up some big scores.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 30, 2021, 05:51:56 PM
Galway won't be anywhere near Mayo level come Connacht Final. Really struggle on their own restarts. Benny Power struggled when the dubs pressed up today.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 30, 2021, 06:11:12 PM
Div 1 semi-finals

Dublin v Donegal
Kerry v Tyrone

Relegation play offs

Roscommon v Armagh
Monaghan v Galway

No real surprises with those match ups.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on May 30, 2021, 06:12:49 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on May 30, 2021, 05:28:11 PM
What were Roscommon like in the last ten minutes? They were keeping up with Kerry but Kerry either upped the tempo of Roscommon tired in the last ten minutes conceding 2-3 but scoring a goal themselves.

I only had half an eye on it - had it on mute on the laptop while watching the Dublin Galway game on the TV.
Kerry ran their subs and that seemed to have a big impact.
One of the Kerry subs was sent off less than a minute after coming on for a straight red.
Looked harsh from what I saw of it - wouldn't be surprised if it was over-turned.
Based on what I saw of the game there was a bit of a vibe of players on both sides minding themselves for further games.
Neither side had anything to play for really - Roscommon couldn't avoid the relegation play-off and it would have required absolute freak results for Kerry not to be in the final play-off.
Roscommon had a few bads wides whereas Kerry didn't.
Kerry started slow but once they went ahead Roscommon never really looked like winning it.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 30, 2021, 06:30:35 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on May 30, 2021, 05:28:11 PM
What were Roscommon like in the last ten minutes? They were keeping up with Kerry but Kerry either upped the tempo of Roscommon tired in the last ten minutes conceding 2-3 but scoring a goal themselves.

Two goals conceded from switching off as the Roscommon defence often does. Kerry was bringing on like for like replacements while the Rossies team got weaker with each sub made.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on May 30, 2021, 06:47:26 PM
RTÉ

"70 mins Galway 1-14 Dublin 1-16
The Dubs superb in keeping the ball. "

My first football match was in 1981 . I never saw gaelic football teams playing keep the ball from the opposittion for the last 5 minutes until the 6 in a row  Dubs came along

Football is banjaxed.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2021, 07:00:05 PM
You must have missed Kerry doing it against Dublin (unsuccessfully) in 2011.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: greatpoint on May 30, 2021, 07:07:05 PM
Joe McQuillan was absolutely shocking in the Roscommon Kerry game. Blew it up with over a minute left to play when it was scoring difference that determined the semi-final pairings.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Nanderson on May 30, 2021, 07:11:43 PM
TG4 stopping their clock for the 2nd water break is the only reason I assume it looks like Joe blew it up early. I doubt a seasoned referee would make that sort of error
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on May 30, 2021, 07:21:46 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 30, 2021, 07:07:05 PM
Joe McQuillan was absolutely shocking in the Roscommon Kerry game. Blew it up with over a minute left to play when it was scoring difference that determined the semi-final pairings.
Don't think it made a lot of difference. Kerry +28 and Dublin +13 in the SD.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: smelmoth on May 30, 2021, 07:23:42 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 30, 2021, 07:07:05 PM
Joe McQuillan was absolutely shocking in the Roscommon Kerry game. Blew it up with over a minute left to play when it was scoring difference that determined the semi-final pairings.

Either McQuillan was wrong or you are wrong.

Every Gael with a grasp of fact and logic knows that McQuillan was right.

I assume "Great Point" is a nomenclature rooted in satire?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on May 30, 2021, 08:02:50 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2021, 07:00:05 PM
You must have missed Kerry doing it against Dublin (unsuccessfully) in 2011.
I don't remember it becoming part of Kerry's match tactics from then on.

The GAA is in a very weak position
Most of its income comes from the all Ireland , the crowds and the associated spending

I.don't understand why the other counties accept what is happening.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 30, 2021, 08:13:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2021, 06:47:26 PM
RTÉ

"70 mins Galway 1-14 Dublin 1-16
The Dubs superb in keeping the ball. "

My first football match was in 1981 . I never saw gaelic football teams playing keep the ball from the opposittion for the last 5 minutes until the 6 in a row  Dubs came along

Football is banjaxed.

When dont opposition push up instead if letting the jackeens keep the ball??
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2021, 08:23:09 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2021, 08:02:50 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2021, 07:00:05 PM
You must have missed Kerry doing it against Dublin (unsuccessfully) in 2011.
I don't remember it becoming part of Kerry's match tactics from then on.

The GAA is in a very weak position
Most of its income comes from the all Ireland , the crowds and the associated spending

I.don't understand why the other counties accept what is happening.

Well, that's a different point than you made initially.  You're still wrong, but it is different.

As I'm sure you do actually know, possession football is a tactic designed to draw out a blanket defence when the defending team is losing.  Without that style of defence, there wouldn't be the possession game.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: greatpoint on May 30, 2021, 08:32:31 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 30, 2021, 07:23:42 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 30, 2021, 07:07:05 PM
Joe McQuillan was absolutely shocking in the Roscommon Kerry game. Blew it up with over a minute left to play when it was scoring difference that determined the semi-final pairings.

Either McQuillan was wrong or you are wrong.

Every Gael with a grasp of fact and logic knows that McQuillan was right.

I assume "Great Point" is a nomenclature rooted in satire?

I bet you thought that sounded witty when you typed it all out pet.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on May 30, 2021, 09:35:34 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2021, 08:23:09 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2021, 08:02:50 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2021, 07:00:05 PM
You must have missed Kerry doing it against Dublin (unsuccessfully) in 2011.
I don't remember it becoming part of Kerry's match tactics from then on.

The GAA is in a very weak position
Most of its income comes from the all Ireland , the crowds and the associated spending

I.don't understand why the other counties accept what is happening.

Well, that's a different point than you made initially.  You're still wrong, but it is different.

As I'm sure you do actually know, possession football is a tactic designed to draw out a blanket defence when the defending team is losing.  Without that style of defence, there wouldn't be the possession game.
I don't remember Kerry doing it
I just think the Dubs have destroyed the sport with the assistance of the GAA.
Playint keep.the ball ahould be outlawed.
They will walk another all Ireland this year. Things like this never get better.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on May 30, 2021, 10:04:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2021, 09:35:34 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2021, 08:23:09 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2021, 08:02:50 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2021, 07:00:05 PM
You must have missed Kerry doing it against Dublin (unsuccessfully) in 2011.
I don't remember it becoming part of Kerry's match tactics from then on.

The GAA is in a very weak position
Most of its income comes from the all Ireland , the crowds and the associated spending

I.don't understand why the other counties accept what is happening.

Well, that's a different point than you made initially.  You're still wrong, but it is different.

As I'm sure you do actually know, possession football is a tactic designed to draw out a blanket defence when the defending team is losing.  Without that style of defence, there wouldn't be the possession game.
I don't remember Kerry doing it
I just think the Dubs have destroyed the sport with the assistance of the GAA.
Playint keep.the ball ahould be outlawed.
They will walk another all Ireland this year. Things like this never get better.
Not sure I agree. If they meet Kerry in an AI final, they might win, but they certainly won't walk it in my opinion. Kerry took them to a replay two seasons ago don't forget and have the ability to beat them on their day. They will walk Leinster absolutely but beating Mayo in a semi final and Kerry in a final is not a foregone conclusion.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 30, 2021, 10:11:18 PM
We'll soon need a shot clock like in basketball

Dublin and Kerry the masters at screening off defenders and pulling/blocking runs for their forwards
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 30, 2021, 10:17:05 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 30, 2021, 10:11:18 PM
We'll soon need a shot clock like in basketball

Dublin and Kerry the masters at screening off defenders and pulling/blocking runs for their forwards

Why don't teams push up instead of putting 15 bodies the ball? No need for shot clocks then. Mayo and Galway handy blocking  runners too. Watch K.McLoughlin for Mayo. A pro at it.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 30, 2021, 10:32:54 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 30, 2021, 06:12:49 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on May 30, 2021, 05:28:11 PM
What were Roscommon like in the last ten minutes? They were keeping up with Kerry but Kerry either upped the tempo of Roscommon tired in the last ten minutes conceding 2-3 but scoring a goal themselves.

I only had half an eye on it - had it on mute on the laptop while watching the Dublin Galway game on the TV.
Kerry ran their subs and that seemed to have a big impact.
One of the Kerry subs was sent off less than a minute after coming on for a straight red.
Looked harsh from what I saw of it - wouldn't be surprised if it was over-turned.
Based on what I saw of the game there was a bit of a vibe of players on both sides minding themselves for further games.
Neither side had anything to play for really - Roscommon couldn't avoid the relegation play-off and it would have required absolute freak results for Kerry not to be in the final play-off.
Roscommon had a few bads wides whereas Kerry didn't.
Kerry started slow but once they went ahead Roscommon never really looked like winning it.

Morley red card will overturned. Nothing malicious in it.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: blanketattack on May 31, 2021, 12:57:50 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 30, 2021, 03:36:50 PM
Likely Dublin will beat Donegal and the issue won't arise

Issue also occurs if Kerry win their semi-final

For 3rd season in a row Kerry top the Div 1 table (combining North and South tables for 2021)
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: sam03/05 on May 31, 2021, 01:02:49 AM
Tyrone having to travel to Kerry in Covid times is mental
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on May 31, 2021, 03:53:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2021, 09:35:34 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2021, 08:23:09 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2021, 08:02:50 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2021, 07:00:05 PM
You must have missed Kerry doing it against Dublin (unsuccessfully) in 2011.
I don't remember it becoming part of Kerry's match tactics from then on.

The GAA is in a very weak position
Most of its income comes from the all Ireland , the crowds and the associated spending

I.don't understand why the other counties accept what is happening.

Well, that's a different point than you made initially.  You're still wrong, but it is different.

As I'm sure you do actually know, possession football is a tactic designed to draw out a blanket defence when the defending team is losing.  Without that style of defence, there wouldn't be the possession game.
I don't remember Kerry doing it
I just think the Dubs have destroyed the sport with the assistance of the GAA.
Playint keep.the ball ahould be outlawed.
They will walk another all Ireland this year. Things like this never get better.

The way to stop keep ball is to win the ball from your opponents.  That requires coming out of your defensive shell and making tackles.  No rule change required.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: smelmoth on May 31, 2021, 08:53:32 AM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 30, 2021, 08:32:31 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 30, 2021, 07:23:42 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 30, 2021, 07:07:05 PM
Joe McQuillan was absolutely shocking in the Roscommon Kerry game. Blew it up with over a minute left to play when it was scoring difference that determined the semi-final pairings.

Either McQuillan was wrong or you are wrong.

Every Gael with a grasp of fact and logic knows that McQuillan was right.

I assume "Great Point" is a nomenclature rooted in satire?

I bet you thought that sounded witty when you typed it all out pet.

An Angelo-esque response.

Who was correct, you or McQuillan?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Hound on May 31, 2021, 09:04:59 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 31, 2021, 03:53:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2021, 09:35:34 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2021, 08:23:09 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2021, 08:02:50 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2021, 07:00:05 PM
You must have missed Kerry doing it against Dublin (unsuccessfully) in 2011.
I don't remember it becoming part of Kerry's match tactics from then on.

The GAA is in a very weak position
Most of its income comes from the all Ireland , the crowds and the associated spending

I.don't understand why the other counties accept what is happening.

Well, that's a different point than you made initially.  You're still wrong, but it is different.

As I'm sure you do actually know, possession football is a tactic designed to draw out a blanket defence when the defending team is losing.  Without that style of defence, there wouldn't be the possession game.
I don't remember Kerry doing it
I just think the Dubs have destroyed the sport with the assistance of the GAA.
Playint keep.the ball ahould be outlawed.
They will walk another all Ireland this year. Things like this never get better.

The way to stop keep ball is to win the ball from your opponents.  That requires coming out of your defensive shell and making tackles.  No rule change required.
A bit silly from seafoid alright. With a few minutes to go, 15 v 15, Dublin 2 points up and they have 4 free men looking to receive a pass! That's Dublin ruining football, having all these free men waltzing about in the middle of the field!

Playing keep ball is difficult, unless the opposition deliberately make it easy. About 10 mins into the second half of the Kerry game, Dubs tried to play keep ball and handed Kerry 3 points in 2 minutes, which completely changed the momentum of that game. 3 mistakes by Dublin let Kerry right back into it, but of course a team is far more likely to make a mistake when the opposition put pressure on them. Forced errors.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on May 31, 2021, 09:39:29 AM
The 3 Challenge games part of the mini League is over and we are where expected (as are Galway, Armagh and Monaghan)-in a play off to stay in D1.
Some encouraging signs yesterday and some positive go forward football.
2 real games coming up will define our mini  season so here's hoping......
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on May 31, 2021, 09:50:12 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 31, 2021, 09:04:59 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 31, 2021, 03:53:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2021, 09:35:34 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2021, 08:23:09 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2021, 08:02:50 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2021, 07:00:05 PM
You must have missed Kerry doing it against Dublin (unsuccessfully) in 2011.
I don't remember it becoming part of Kerry's match tactics from then on.

The GAA is in a very weak position
Most of its income comes from the all Ireland , the crowds and the associated spending

I.don't understand why the other counties accept what is happening.

Well, that's a different point than you made initially.  You're still wrong, but it is different.

As I'm sure you do actually know, possession football is a tactic designed to draw out a blanket defence when the defending team is losing.  Without that style of defence, there wouldn't be the possession game.
I don't remember Kerry doing it
I just think the Dubs have destroyed the sport with the assistance of the GAA.
Playint keep.the ball ahould be outlawed.
They will walk another all Ireland this year. Things like this never get better.

The way to stop keep ball is to win the ball from your opponents.  That requires coming out of your defensive shell and making tackles.  No rule change required.
A bit silly from seafoid alright. With a few minutes to go, 15 v 15, Dublin 2 points up and they have 4 free men looking to receive a pass! That's Dublin ruining football, having all these free men waltzing about in the middle of the field!

Playing keep ball is difficult, unless the opposition deliberately make it easy. About 10 mins into the second half of the Kerry game, Dubs tried to play keep ball and handed Kerry 3 points in 2 minutes, which completely changed the momentum of that game. 3 mistakes by Dublin let Kerry right back into it, but of course a team is far more likely to make a mistake when the opposition put pressure on them. Forced errors.
Playing keep the ball is the Dubs special in the  last 5 minutes. It's not sporting. It's dishonourable. 
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on May 31, 2021, 09:55:07 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2021, 09:50:12 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 31, 2021, 09:04:59 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 31, 2021, 03:53:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2021, 09:35:34 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2021, 08:23:09 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2021, 08:02:50 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2021, 07:00:05 PM
You must have missed Kerry doing it against Dublin (unsuccessfully) in 2011.
I don't remember it becoming part of Kerry's match tactics from then on.

The GAA is in a very weak position
Most of its income comes from the all Ireland , the crowds and the associated spending

I.don't understand why the other counties accept what is happening.

Well, that's a different point than you made initially.  You're still wrong, but it is different.

As I'm sure you do actually know, possession football is a tactic designed to draw out a blanket defence when the defending team is losing.  Without that style of defence, there wouldn't be the possession game.
I don't remember Kerry doing it
I just think the Dubs have destroyed the sport with the assistance of the GAA.
Playint keep.the ball ahould be outlawed.
They will walk another all Ireland this year. Things like this never get better.

The way to stop keep ball is to win the ball from your opponents.  That requires coming out of your defensive shell and making tackles.  No rule change required.
A bit silly from seafoid alright. With a few minutes to go, 15 v 15, Dublin 2 points up and they have 4 free men looking to receive a pass! That's Dublin ruining football, having all these free men waltzing about in the middle of the field!

Playing keep ball is difficult, unless the opposition deliberately make it easy. About 10 mins into the second half of the Kerry game, Dubs tried to play keep ball and handed Kerry 3 points in 2 minutes, which completely changed the momentum of that game. 3 mistakes by Dublin let Kerry right back into it, but of course a team is far more likely to make a mistake when the opposition put pressure on them. Forced errors.
Playing keep the ball is the Dubs special in the  last 5 minutes. It's not sporting. It's dishonourable.
Dishonourable to keep possession in a game involving a football?
Are you off your tree?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: skeog on May 31, 2021, 09:57:28 AM
Who thought up organising a competition that a final doesnt go ahead because of a game the following week.Shambles is the only word for it.Be a feisty game in Monaghan with Pauric crying fowl or banty over the venue.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on May 31, 2021, 10:00:44 AM
I think PJ may leave the whinging about the venue at this stage and get on with it although why the GAA didn't just give home advantage to the 1st and 3rd placed teams is beyond me.
I'm sure people will complain about 2 out of 3 home games for some counties to get to those rankings but at the end of the day this mini league setup is a bit of a farce as is.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on May 31, 2021, 10:09:35 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2021, 09:50:12 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 31, 2021, 09:04:59 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 31, 2021, 03:53:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2021, 09:35:34 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2021, 08:23:09 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2021, 08:02:50 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2021, 07:00:05 PM
You must have missed Kerry doing it against Dublin (unsuccessfully) in 2011.
I don't remember it becoming part of Kerry's match tactics from then on.

The GAA is in a very weak position
Most of its income comes from the all Ireland , the crowds and the associated spending

I.don't understand why the other counties accept what is happening.

Well, that's a different point than you made initially.  You're still wrong, but it is different.

As I'm sure you do actually know, possession football is a tactic designed to draw out a blanket defence when the defending team is losing.  Without that style of defence, there wouldn't be the possession game.
I don't remember Kerry doing it
I just think the Dubs have destroyed the sport with the assistance of the GAA.
Playint keep.the ball ahould be outlawed.
They will walk another all Ireland this year. Things like this never get better.

The way to stop keep ball is to win the ball from your opponents.  That requires coming out of your defensive shell and making tackles.  No rule change required.
A bit silly from seafoid alright. With a few minutes to go, 15 v 15, Dublin 2 points up and they have 4 free men looking to receive a pass! That's Dublin ruining football, having all these free men waltzing about in the middle of the field!

Playing keep ball is difficult, unless the opposition deliberately make it easy. About 10 mins into the second half of the Kerry game, Dubs tried to play keep ball and handed Kerry 3 points in 2 minutes, which completely changed the momentum of that game. 3 mistakes by Dublin let Kerry right back into it, but of course a team is far more likely to make a mistake when the opposition put pressure on them. Forced errors.
Playing keep the ball is the Dubs special in the  last 5 minutes. It's not sporting. It's dishonourable.

Why dont dont teams press opposition who play keep ball instead playing 15 bodies behind the ball? Blanket defences are the issues here Tom.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on May 31, 2021, 11:41:54 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 31, 2021, 10:00:44 AM
I think PJ may leave the whinging about the venue at this stage and get on with it although why the GAA didn't just give home advantage to the 1st and 3rd placed teams is beyond me.
I'm sure people will complain about 2 out of 3 home games for some counties to get to those rankings but at the end of the day this mini league setup is a bit of a farce as is.
It's a temporary set up but the venue selection  format makes Div 1 more equitable. PJ whinging about Monaghan being awarded for breaking the rules is totally ignorant.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on May 31, 2021, 11:59:45 AM
Decided before the league started so it's pointless giving out but home advantage is certainly a benefit for these one off stay up or go down matches.
As I said I'd leave it be but 4th placed team potentially getting advantage over a 3rd placed team and 2nd over 1st is a nonsensical way to setup this league - which was a shambles of a setup in the first place.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 31, 2021, 12:47:28 PM
Armagh have got home advantage for the relegation play off. That's a big boost.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on May 31, 2021, 12:52:16 PM
PJs point is well made BUT venue selection is finalised at this stage so we move on and focus on what will be a tough game up in Monaghan.  It's a right good game to have in the lead up to the championship and if we think we are good enough to be in Div 1, well then we should be winning it regardless of the venue IMO.  The last 2 performances have been a small step in the right direction but our own kick outs and the defence / attack balance still need a lot of work. 
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Hound on May 31, 2021, 01:13:29 PM
Dubs v Donegal to be played at neutral venue.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on May 31, 2021, 01:28:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 31, 2021, 01:13:29 PM
Dubs v Donegal to be played at neutral venue.

Wonder why that is
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: yellowcard on May 31, 2021, 01:37:21 PM
I think this was all part of a Banty masterplan in order to get home advantage for a much more important play off game! It worked and it is just unfortunate for Galway that they are the team who have suffered.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rudi on May 31, 2021, 01:50:53 PM
Monaghan originally had 1 game to be played at home, Galway had 2. Monaghan therefore should be drawn to play at home, has nothing to do with Monaghan flouting the Covid training rules.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Hound on May 31, 2021, 02:15:57 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 31, 2021, 01:28:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 31, 2021, 01:13:29 PM
Dubs v Donegal to be played at neutral venue.

Wonder why that is
Both teams (technically) had just one home game so far. Therefore, it's a coin toss, unless both teams agree they'd prefer a neutral venue rather than risk losing the toss.

Makes sense in this case I think. Although Donegal won't be too happy when the GAA announce Croke Park as the neutral venue  :P  :P   :P   ;)
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on May 31, 2021, 02:40:01 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 31, 2021, 01:50:53 PM
Monaghan originally had 1 game to be played at home, Galway had 2. Monaghan therefore should be drawn to play at home, has nothing to do with Monaghan flouting the Covid training rules.
Amazing (or not) how that bit of rationale has escaped most people.
Joyce was talking through his hole.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: StephenC on May 31, 2021, 02:50:24 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 31, 2021, 02:15:57 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 31, 2021, 01:28:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 31, 2021, 01:13:29 PM
Dubs v Donegal to be played at neutral venue.

Wonder why that is
Both teams (technically) had just one home game so far. Therefore, it's a coin toss, unless both teams agree they'd prefer a neutral venue rather than risk losing the toss.

Makes sense in this case I think. Although Donegal won't be too happy when the GAA announce Croke Park as the neutral venue  :P  :P   :P   ;)

Our U21's would enjoy the day out I'm sure.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: blanketattack on May 31, 2021, 04:44:10 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 31, 2021, 01:02:49 AM
Tyrone having to travel to Kerry in Covid times is mental

Why? Kerry and Tyrone have very low rates of infection. It'd be more mental to play in a neutral venue, where it's likely to have a far greater rate of Covid-19 than Kerry or Tyrone
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: UpMeeyo on May 31, 2021, 10:04:57 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 31, 2021, 02:40:01 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 31, 2021, 01:50:53 PM
Monaghan originally had 1 game to be played at home, Galway had 2. Monaghan therefore should be drawn to play at home, has nothing to do with Monaghan flouting the Covid training rules.
Amazing (or not) how that bit of rationale has escaped most people.
Joyce was talking through his hole.

It would seem an amazing coincidence to me that the 4 teams who broke covid regulations Monaghan/Down/Cork/Dublin were all randomly selected to only have 1 home game. If it had been fixed where any of these teams had a second home game in the group stages there'd have been uproar about that too. Its just extremely poor planning. should have been 1 home 1 away 1 neutral in group and home advantage to 1st v 2nd in semis/relegation
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: armaghniac on May 31, 2021, 10:22:03 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on May 31, 2021, 04:44:10 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 31, 2021, 01:02:49 AM
Tyrone having to travel to Kerry in Covid times is mental

Why? Kerry and Tyrone have very low rates of infection. It'd be more mental to play in a neutral venue, where it's likely to have a far greater rate of Covid-19 than Kerry or Tyrone

At least now hotels are open and there are a lot of hotels in Kerry.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: phpearse on June 01, 2021, 08:13:58 AM
Are teams permitted to travel to away games on team bus or do they still have to travel by car? Will Tyrone be expected to travel individually by car to the Kerry game?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2021, 11:10:33 AM
Quote from: phpearse on June 01, 2021, 08:13:58 AM
Are teams permitted to travel to away games on team bus or do they still have to travel by car? Will Tyrone be expected to travel individually by car to the Kerry game?

50% apparently can us a coach, so two coaches would be required, I don't think hotels are open yet to the public, open for work/business, so not sure how that would work for teams ....
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2021, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on June 01, 2021, 11:16:25 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2021, 11:10:33 AM
Quote from: phpearse on June 01, 2021, 08:13:58 AM
Are teams permitted to travel to away games on team bus or do they still have to travel by car? Will Tyrone be expected to travel individually by car to the Kerry game?

50% apparently can us a coach, so two coaches would be required, I don't think hotels are open yet to the public, open for work/business, so not sure how that would work for teams ....

The hotels are open to the public in the South from tomorrow. I believe that Sligo had a couple of coaches up and did an overnight against Antrim for their league game.

That's great then, no issues for teams heading down the night before, plenty fresh for the game the next day, an expense with the extra coach though
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 01, 2021, 03:21:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2021, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on June 01, 2021, 11:16:25 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2021, 11:10:33 AM
Quote from: phpearse on June 01, 2021, 08:13:58 AM
Are teams permitted to travel to away games on team bus or do they still have to travel by car? Will Tyrone be expected to travel individually by car to the Kerry game?

50% apparently can us a coach, so two coaches would be required, I don't think hotels are open yet to the public, open for work/business, so not sure how that would work for teams ....

The hotels are open to the public in the South from tomorrow. I believe that Sligo had a couple of coaches up and did an overnight against Antrim for their league game.

That's great then, no issues for teams heading down the night before, plenty fresh for the game the next day, an expense with the extra coach though

The logistics for away teams travelling in these covid times is a bit of a nightmare. Teams that have home advantage for these semi finals/play offs should be very grateful.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2021, 03:23:57 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 01, 2021, 03:21:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2021, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on June 01, 2021, 11:16:25 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2021, 11:10:33 AM
Quote from: phpearse on June 01, 2021, 08:13:58 AM
Are teams permitted to travel to away games on team bus or do they still have to travel by car? Will Tyrone be expected to travel individually by car to the Kerry game?

50% apparently can us a coach, so two coaches would be required, I don't think hotels are open yet to the public, open for work/business, so not sure how that would work for teams ....

The hotels are open to the public in the South from tomorrow. I believe that Sligo had a couple of coaches up and did an overnight against Antrim for their league game.

That's great then, no issues for teams heading down the night before, plenty fresh for the game the next day, an expense with the extra coach though

The logistics for away teams travelling in these covid times is a bit of a nightmare. Teams that have home advantage for these semi finals/play offs should be very grateful.

I'm hoping they are very grateful and give us a ten point lead
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: J70 on June 01, 2021, 05:53:14 PM
Quote from: StephenC on May 31, 2021, 02:50:24 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 31, 2021, 02:15:57 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 31, 2021, 01:28:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 31, 2021, 01:13:29 PM
Dubs v Donegal to be played at neutral venue.

Wonder why that is
Both teams (technically) had just one home game so far. Therefore, it's a coin toss, unless both teams agree they'd prefer a neutral venue rather than risk losing the toss.

Makes sense in this case I think. Although Donegal won't be too happy when the GAA announce Croke Park as the neutral venue  :P  :P   :P   ;)

Our U21's would enjoy the day out I'm sure.

Yeah, I can't see Bonner risking too many first choice players for this, with nothing to play for, Down the following week, and a few injuries already to deal with.

There's no way the likes of McBrearty should be risked, with Murphy, Brennan and Gallen already missing games. Stephen McMenamin is just back, and with McGee and McGrath out, you can't be risking him either. And whoever does play, they can't be going full steam into contact.

On the other hand, how much of a drubbing is acceptable?

Maybe the Dubs will have mercy and play keep-ball once they get about 9-10 points ahead.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: inroundthesquare on June 01, 2021, 09:43:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 01, 2021, 05:53:14 PM
Quote from: StephenC on May 31, 2021, 02:50:24 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 31, 2021, 02:15:57 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 31, 2021, 01:28:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 31, 2021, 01:13:29 PM
Dubs v Donegal to be played at neutral venue.

Wonder why that is
Both teams (technically) had just one home game so far. Therefore, it's a coin toss, unless both teams agree they'd prefer a neutral venue rather than risk losing the toss.

Makes sense in this case I think. Although Donegal won't be too happy when the GAA announce Croke Park as the neutral venue  :P  :P   :P   ;)

Our U21's would enjoy the day out I'm sure.

Yeah, I can't see Bonner risking too many first choice players for this, with nothing to play for, Down the following week, and a few injuries already to deal with.

There's no way the likes of McBrearty should be risked, with Murphy, Brennan and Gallen already missing games. Stephen McMenamin is just back, and with McGee and McGrath out, you can't be risking him either. And whoever does play, they can't be going full steam into contact.

On the other hand, how much of a drubbing is acceptable?

Maybe the Dubs will have mercy and play keep-ball once they get about 9-10 points ahead.

2 weeks to the Down game for Donegal but yeah hard to see them going full tilt vs the Dubs
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on June 01, 2021, 09:44:28 PM
Quote from: UpMeeyo on May 31, 2021, 10:04:57 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 31, 2021, 02:40:01 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 31, 2021, 01:50:53 PM
Monaghan originally had 1 game to be played at home, Galway had 2. Monaghan therefore should be drawn to play at home, has nothing to do with Monaghan flouting the Covid training rules.
Amazing (or not) how that bit of rationale has escaped most people.
Joyce was talking through his hole.

It would seem an amazing coincidence to me that the 4 teams who broke covid regulations Monaghan/Down/Cork/Dublin were all randomly selected to only have 1 home game. If it had been fixed where any of these teams had a second home game in the group stages there'd have been uproar about that too. Its just extremely poor planning. should have been 1 home 1 away 1 neutral in group and home advantage to 1st v 2nd in semis/relegation
Regardless of how they got there with respect to the rules (stupid and all as they were) Main Street is spot on - Joyce was talking through his hole and how come the so called TV experts didn't pull him up on it. Using the exact same (Joyce) logic Dublin weren't even entitled to a neutral venue and Donegal didn't complain about that (and god knows it is unusual for Donegal not to have a moan about Dublin)
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: SouthDublinBro on June 02, 2021, 01:14:47 PM
Monaghan boys love to attack the idea of Croke Park as a neutral venue but they've been getting home advantage in Ulster finals for the longest time. It's one rule for them and another for Dublin.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: J70 on June 02, 2021, 02:07:53 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 01, 2021, 09:44:28 PM
Quote from: UpMeeyo on May 31, 2021, 10:04:57 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 31, 2021, 02:40:01 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 31, 2021, 01:50:53 PM
Monaghan originally had 1 game to be played at home, Galway had 2. Monaghan therefore should be drawn to play at home, has nothing to do with Monaghan flouting the Covid training rules.
Amazing (or not) how that bit of rationale has escaped most people.
Joyce was talking through his hole.

It would seem an amazing coincidence to me that the 4 teams who broke covid regulations Monaghan/Down/Cork/Dublin were all randomly selected to only have 1 home game. If it had been fixed where any of these teams had a second home game in the group stages there'd have been uproar about that too. Its just extremely poor planning. should have been 1 home 1 away 1 neutral in group and home advantage to 1st v 2nd in semis/relegation
Regardless of how they got there with respect to the rules (stupid and all as they were) Main Street is spot on - Joyce was talking through his hole and how come the so called TV experts didn't pull him up on it. Using the exact same (Joyce) logic Dublin weren't even entitled to a neutral venue and Donegal didn't complain about that (and god knows it is unusual for Donegal not to have a moan about Dublin)

That "moaning" and the congressional proposal about the Super 8 venues a couple of years back was absolutely justified.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: J70 on June 02, 2021, 02:10:34 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 02, 2021, 01:14:47 PM
Monaghan boys love to attack the idea of Croke Park as a neutral venue but they've been getting home advantage in Ulster finals for the longest time. It's one rule for them and another for Dublin.

And what about the games other than a provincial final?

Why don't you throw up some stats there on how often Monaghan and the Dubs have played away from Clones and Croke Park, respectively, in the Championship over the past two decades?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on June 02, 2021, 02:13:12 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 02, 2021, 01:14:47 PM
Monaghan boys love to attack the idea of Croke Park as a neutral venue but they've been getting home advantage in Ulster finals for the longest time. It's one rule for them and another for Dublin.

You have some horn for Monaghan 🤣🤣
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on June 02, 2021, 04:28:57 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 02, 2021, 01:14:47 PM
Monaghan boys love to attack the idea of Croke Park as a neutral venue but they've been getting home advantage in Ulster finals for the longest time. It's one rule for them and another for Dublin.
shur it's not too often them Monaghan boys get to an Ulster final.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on June 02, 2021, 05:42:40 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 02, 2021, 02:07:53 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 01, 2021, 09:44:28 PM
Quote from: UpMeeyo on May 31, 2021, 10:04:57 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 31, 2021, 02:40:01 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 31, 2021, 01:50:53 PM
Monaghan originally had 1 game to be played at home, Galway had 2. Monaghan therefore should be drawn to play at home, has nothing to do with Monaghan flouting the Covid training rules.
Amazing (or not) how that bit of rationale has escaped most people.
Joyce was talking through his hole.

It would seem an amazing coincidence to me that the 4 teams who broke covid regulations Monaghan/Down/Cork/Dublin were all randomly selected to only have 1 home game. If it had been fixed where any of these teams had a second home game in the group stages there'd have been uproar about that too. Its just extremely poor planning. should have been 1 home 1 away 1 neutral in group and home advantage to 1st v 2nd in semis/relegation
Regardless of how they got there with respect to the rules (stupid and all as they were) Main Street is spot on - Joyce was talking through his hole and how come the so called TV experts didn't pull him up on it. Using the exact same (Joyce) logic Dublin weren't even entitled to a neutral venue and Donegal didn't complain about that (and god knows it is unusual for Donegal not to have a moan about Dublin)

That "moaning" and the congressional proposal about the Super 8 venues a couple of years back was absolutely justified.
Agree completely. My point was if there was something to complain about they would have.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on June 02, 2021, 06:36:14 PM
Semi finals
Dublin 1/3 Donegal 7/2
Kerry 4/11 Tyrone 3/1

Relegation play offs

Armagh 4/7 Roscommon 7/4
Monaghan evens Galway evens
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on June 02, 2021, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 02, 2021, 06:36:14 PM
Semi finals
Dublin 1/3 Donegal 7/2
Kerry 4/11 Tyrone 3/1

Relegation play offs

Armagh 4/7 Roscommon 7/4
Monaghan evens Galway evens

For the semi-finals I would wait until teams are on the pitch, because both Donegal and Kerry have championship games two weeks after.
Dublin have a gap of 3 weeks while Tyrone have a gap of 4 weeks so I could definitely see Donegal and Kerry both resting players/not risking players with any sort of a niggle.
Tyrone might be worth a punt as the new management might value getting to a league final v Dublin or the reward of a league title if Donegal win and having a month until their championship game.

I'd expect close to full strength teams for the relegation games as all 4 would really want to avoid dropping to Division 2 if possible.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on June 02, 2021, 08:15:58 PM
Keeping D1 status is a major plus.
Getting 7 games (hopefully) against top opposition can bring a team on a lot.
Our lads have 3 weeks between the Play off and Galway so it will be what AC considers our best team v Armagh.
Not sure why they are such favourites... we bet them last October in the Gaelic Grounds.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on June 02, 2021, 08:52:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 02, 2021, 08:15:58 PM
Keeping D1 status is a major plus.
Getting 7 games (hopefully) against top opposition can bring a team on a lot.
Our lads have 3 weeks between the Play offs and Galway so it will be what AC considers our best team v Armagh.
Not sure why they are such favourites... we bet them last October in the Gaelic Grounds.

Armagh losing 1 of their 3 group games and Roscommon losing all 3 games would be one of the reasons. I'd expect these relegation play offs to be as close to championship pace and intensity as it gets and should give a very good idea to where the 4 teams really are before the championship.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Hound on June 02, 2021, 10:14:32 PM
I wonder will they have winners medals and 2 versions of the cup at the games for the winning teams, in the event it's not a Dublin v Tyrone final?

Would go down in the record books as an NFL joint winners, not to be sneezed at.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on June 02, 2021, 10:40:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 02, 2021, 10:14:32 PM
I wonder will they have winners medals and 2 versions of the cup at the games for the winning teams, in the event it's not a Dublin v Tyrone final?

Would go down in the record books as an NFL joint winners, not to be sneezed at.
A hand from each captain holding the cup aloft and a joint chorus from both teams  of 'Championes, Championes, Ole Ole Ole'
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on June 03, 2021, 07:49:39 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 02, 2021, 08:52:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 02, 2021, 08:15:58 PM
Keeping D1 status is a major plus.
Getting 7 games (hopefully) against top opposition can bring a team on a lot.
Our lads have 3 weeks between the Play offs and Galway so it will be what AC considers our best team v Armagh.
Not sure why they are such favourites... we bet them last October in the Gaelic Grounds.

Armagh losing 1 of their 3 group games and Roscommon losing all 3 games would be one of the reasons. I'd expect these relegation play offs to be as close to championship pace and intensity as it gets and should give a very good idea to where the 4 teams really are before the championship.

To be fair to Roscommon, if we were in their group and they in ours, results would well have been different. The favourites tag does not sit comfortably with me
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: naka on June 03, 2021, 11:00:44 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 03, 2021, 07:49:39 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 02, 2021, 08:52:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 02, 2021, 08:15:58 PM
Keeping D1 status is a major plus.
Getting 7 games (hopefully) against top opposition can bring a team on a lot.
Our lads have 3 weeks between the Play offs and Galway so it will be what AC considers our best team v Armagh.
Not sure why they are such favourites... we bet them last October in the Gaelic Grounds.

Armagh losing 1 of their 3 group games and Roscommon losing all 3 games would be one of the reasons. I'd expect these relegation play offs to be as close to championship pace and intensity as it gets and should give a very good idea to where the 4 teams really are before the championship.

To be fair to Roscommon, if we were in their group and they in ours, results would well have been different. The favourites tag does not sit comfortably with me
this game is a toss up but if Armagh are to show that they have learned/grown over the past 2 years then i expect them to win, if not it means we arent moving forward as a team
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: lurganblue on June 03, 2021, 11:45:07 AM
I have a bit more confidence in an Armagh win here, and that just doesn't sit comfortably with me.

Stopping runners through the middle still seems to be a problem and no doubt Roscommon have the players to exploit that. I still think we can do enough damage at the other end ourselves. Massive game for both teams.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on June 03, 2021, 11:56:54 AM
McGeeney is a big plus for Roscommon
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: BennyCake on June 03, 2021, 12:52:15 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 02, 2021, 10:40:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 02, 2021, 10:14:32 PM
I wonder will they have winners medals and 2 versions of the cup at the games for the winning teams, in the event it's not a Dublin v Tyrone final?

Would go down in the record books as an NFL joint winners, not to be sneezed at.
A hand from each captain holding the cup aloft and a joint chorus from both teams  of 'Championes, Championes, Ole Ole Ole'

Then they'll have to play Rock Paper Scissors to see who keeps the cup for the first 6 months.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Ronnie on June 04, 2021, 07:43:05 AM
Better than penalties
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: APM on June 04, 2021, 08:46:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2021, 11:56:54 AM
McGeeney is a big plus for Roscommon

What do you mean?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: smelmoth on June 04, 2021, 01:06:42 PM
Armagh vs Ros is a huge game. Big for both teams but absolutely huge for us. It's been a long road back to here.

We know that Dublin and Kerry are way ahead of us. Depressingly it is difficult to conceive of how those respective gaps could be closed.

We have to admit that Donegal, Tyrone and Mayo are ahead of us. Not by as much but definitively ahead. Bottom 3 in Division 1 looks like a ceiling for us in the near term. On that basis you will suffer relegation at some point. Roscommon are in that yo-yo territory already. Relegation is not a disaster but it makes everything this group of players is trying to achieve that bit more difficult
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on June 04, 2021, 04:02:50 PM
Roscommon and Galway both strong favourites here. Were told here how competitive Connacht is. Time for Galway and the Rossies to shit or get off the pot. Mayo will need a competitive for their All Ireland semifinal.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on June 04, 2021, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: macker15 on June 04, 2021, 04:02:50 PM
Roscommon and Galway both strong favourites here. Were told here how competitive Connacht is. Time for Galway and the Rossies to shit or get off the pot. Mayo will need a competitive for their All Ireland semifinal.

Galway and Roscommon don't exist just to improve Mayo's AI chances. They'll be hoping to nab the Nestor Cup themselves and I would not bet against either claiming a Connacht Title.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on June 04, 2021, 04:37:43 PM
Ye look the best bet at this stage Bunker but the games won't be be played till July.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: weareros on June 04, 2021, 04:38:09 PM
Roscommon have had the slight edge on Armagh over the last few years but on current form, and with home advantage Armagh are justified favourites. Roscommon have been flat since the Mayo encounter last year though we saw some signs in the Kerry game of the intensity that won us Connacht in 2019, beating both Mayo and Galway away en-route, coming back. But how much was that Kerry in 3rd gear, and we still lost by 6 points. If all Ros players hit form, I would expect us to win a close encounter. But thus far we are very reliant on Ciaran Murtagh and Donie Smith hitting long range points and that's not sustainable. Connacht will be very difficult. Despite being in Div 2 Mayo is a top 4 team, and Galway and Ros are top 8. On a given day, any of the 3 could end up Connacht Champions - and then the Dubs await in semi to beat all 3. But I give a nervous vote to Ros to rid themselves of the yo-yo moniker.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Lar Naparka on June 04, 2021, 04:46:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 04, 2021, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: macker15 on June 04, 2021, 04:02:50 PM
Roscommon and Galway both strong favourites here. Were told here how competitive Connacht is. Time for Galway and the Rossies to shit or get off the pot. Mayo will need a competitive for their All Ireland semifinal.

Galway and Roscommon don't exist just to improve Mayo's AI chances. They'll be hoping to nab the Nestor Cup themselves and I would not bet against either claiming a Connacht Title.
;D ;D
Will ya get away up the yard, will ya?
Mayo will clock the pair of yiz.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on June 04, 2021, 04:48:54 PM
Quote from: macker15 on June 04, 2021, 04:02:50 PM
Roscommon and Galway both strong favourites here. Were told here how competitive Connacht is. Time for Galway and the Rossies to shit or get off the pot. Mayo will need a competitive for their All Ireland semifinal.
Ahh no we're not actually.
We've done nothing to warrant being favourites at all in our game not to mind being strong favourites.
It being played in Clones is a plus for Monaghan too.
Pp have both teams at evens.
I expect Monaghan to beat us - we are very very average.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on June 04, 2021, 04:51:32 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 04, 2021, 01:06:42 PM
Armagh vs Ros is a huge game. Big for both teams but absolutely huge for us. It's been a long road back to here.

We know that Dublin and Kerry are way ahead of us. Depressingly it is difficult to conceive of how those respective gaps could be closed.

We have to admit that Donegal, Tyrone and Mayo are ahead of us. Not by as much but definitively ahead. Bottom 3 in Division 1 looks like a ceiling for us in the near term. On that basis you will suffer relegation at some point. Roscommon are in that yo-yo territory already. Relegation is not a disaster but it makes everything this group of players is trying to achieve that bit more difficult

A case to be made that Division 1 should become a 10 team group.

As Mayo found out last year the trap door is too easy to fall through in the current format and the likes of Armagh, Roscommon, Meath need consecutive years in Div 1 to develop.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: APM on June 04, 2021, 04:56:22 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 04, 2021, 04:51:32 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 04, 2021, 01:06:42 PM
Armagh vs Ros is a huge game. Big for both teams but absolutely huge for us. It's been a long road back to here.

We know that Dublin and Kerry are way ahead of us. Depressingly it is difficult to conceive of how those respective gaps could be closed.

We have to admit that Donegal, Tyrone and Mayo are ahead of us. Not by as much but definitively ahead. Bottom 3 in Division 1 looks like a ceiling for us in the near term. On that basis you will suffer relegation at some point. Roscommon are in that yo-yo territory already. Relegation is not a disaster but it makes everything this group of players is trying to achieve that bit more difficult

A case to be made that Division 1 should become a 10 team group.

As Mayo found out last year the trap door is too easy to fall through in the current format and the likes of Armagh, Roscommon, Meath need consecutive years in Div 1 to develop.

Wouldn't disagree with that as an Armagh man.  However, I think there would be a stronger argument to have smaller divisions with games played home and away.   I posted this a few weeks back and don't think anyone commented on it, so I'll add it again here.   
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=29928.msg2053334#msg2053334 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=29928.msg2053334#msg2053334)
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on June 04, 2021, 06:52:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 04, 2021, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: macker15 on June 04, 2021, 04:02:50 PM
Roscommon and Galway both strong favourites here. Were told here how competitive Connacht is. Time for Galway and the Rossies to shit or get off the pot. Mayo will need a competitive for their All Ireland semifinal.

Galway and Roscommon don't exist just to improve Mayo's AI chances. They'll be hoping to nab the Nestor Cup themselves and I would not bet against either claiming a Connacht Title.

Yerra galway and the rossies years behind Mayo in strength and conditioning and dont forget Mayo in transition too. Mayo and Roscommon was men against boys last year.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Cunny Funt on June 04, 2021, 07:19:30 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 04, 2021, 04:48:54 PM
Ahh no we’re not actually.
We’ve done nothing to warrant being favourites at all in our game not to mind being strong favourites.
It being played in Clones is a plus for Monaghan too.
Pp have both teams at evens.
I expect Monaghan to beat us - we are very very average.
A little harsh on your own side although I'm not totally convinced by Joyce as manager. It's achievement in itself how long Monaghan have managed to stay in Div 1.

The two relegation play offs should be keenly contested with both games likely decided by who has the best impact off the bench.

Quote from: macker15 on June 04, 2021, 06:52:22 PM
[Yerra galway and the rossies years behind Mayo in strength and conditioning and dont forget Mayo in transition too. Mayo and Roscommon was men against boys last year.

Last November was Mayos first Connacht title and final for 5 years and won it by a mere one point. Makes one wonder where Mayo would be in the provincial shake up if it wasn't for this strength and conditioning advantage.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 04, 2021, 07:51:13 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 04, 2021, 04:48:54 PM
Quote from: macker15 on June 04, 2021, 04:02:50 PM
Roscommon and Galway both strong favourites here. Were told here how competitive Connacht is. Time for Galway and the Rossies to shit or get off the pot. Mayo will need a competitive for their All Ireland semifinal.
Ahh no we're not actually.
We've done nothing to warrant being favourites at all in our game not to mind being strong favourites.
It being played in Clones is a plus for Monaghan too.
Pp have both teams at evens.
I expect Monaghan to beat us - we are very very average.

Galway going nowhere, just hope the likes of Paul Kelly Tierney & Glynn continue to start whilst Culhane & Sweeney get some minutes too. Need the likes of Cooke & Finnerty to step up and be consistent but not overly optimistic on Finnerty. The likes of Brannigan & Heaney have followed Ian Burke by offering nothing and there's no kickout strategy at either end.

Galway won U21 All Ireland's in 2011 & 13 and were runners up in 2017. Galway haven't got nowhere near enough top players from those sides, probably 3 players good enough to win All Stars in Walsh, Comer & Sean Kelly. Just hope they get more out of last years winners as don't think there'll be much more coming out of the 2019 provincial winners.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on June 04, 2021, 11:12:35 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 04, 2021, 07:51:13 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 04, 2021, 04:48:54 PM
Quote from: macker15 on June 04, 2021, 04:02:50 PM
Roscommon and Galway both strong favourites here. Were told here how competitive Connacht is. Time for Galway and the Rossies to shit or get off the pot. Mayo will need a competitive for their All Ireland semifinal.
Ahh no we're not actually.
We've done nothing to warrant being favourites at all in our game not to mind being strong favourites.
It being played in Clones is a plus for Monaghan too.
Pp have both teams at evens.
I expect Monaghan to beat us - we are very very average.

Galway going nowhere, just hope the likes of Paul Kelly Tierney & Glynn continue to start whilst Culhane & Sweeney get some minutes too. Need the likes of Cooke & Finnerty to step up and be consistent but not overly optimistic on Finnerty. The likes of Brannigan & Heaney have followed Ian Burke by offering nothing and there's no kickout strategy at either end.

Galway won U21 All Ireland's in 2011 & 13 and were runners up in 2017. Galway haven't got nowhere near enough top players from those sides, probably 3 players good enough to win All Stars in Walsh, Comer & Sean Kelly. Just hope they get more out of last years winners as don't think there'll be much more coming out of the 2019 provincial winners.
Galway need a "Blue Wave" style review and plan that would overhaul of the entire football structures that are in place, we won't put the Senior IC team in the best place to succeed over the long term until this is done.
It won't happen.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on June 04, 2021, 11:13:55 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 04, 2021, 04:51:32 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 04, 2021, 01:06:42 PM
Armagh vs Ros is a huge game. Big for both teams but absolutely huge for us. It's been a long road back to here.

We know that Dublin and Kerry are way ahead of us. Depressingly it is difficult to conceive of how those respective gaps could be closed.

We have to admit that Donegal, Tyrone and Mayo are ahead of us. Not by as much but definitively ahead. Bottom 3 in Division 1 looks like a ceiling for us in the near term. On that basis you will suffer relegation at some point. Roscommon are in that yo-yo territory already. Relegation is not a disaster but it makes everything this group of players is trying to achieve that bit more difficult



A case to be made that Division 1 should become a 10 team group.

As Mayo found out last year the trap door is too easy to fall through in the current format and the likes of Armagh, Roscommon, Meath need consecutive years in Div 1 to develop.

Or keep the 8 team format and just have one relegation spot.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: smelmoth on June 04, 2021, 11:22:15 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 04, 2021, 04:51:32 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 04, 2021, 01:06:42 PM
Armagh vs Ros is a huge game. Big for both teams but absolutely huge for us. It's been a long road back to here.

We know that Dublin and Kerry are way ahead of us. Depressingly it is difficult to conceive of how those respective gaps could be closed.

We have to admit that Donegal, Tyrone and Mayo are ahead of us. Not by as much but definitively ahead. Bottom 3 in Division 1 looks like a ceiling for us in the near term. On that basis you will suffer relegation at some point. Roscommon are in that yo-yo territory already. Relegation is not a disaster but it makes everything this group of players is trying to achieve that bit more difficult

A case to be made that Division 1 should become a 10 team group.

As Mayo found out last year the trap door is too easy to fall through in the current format and the likes of Armagh, Roscommon, Meath need consecutive years in Div 1 to develop.

No matter where you make the cut there will always be winners and losers. Can't see any reason for interfering with 4 tiers of 8
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on June 05, 2021, 12:01:42 PM
4 eights with 2 up 2 down is the best in my opinion.
Next year the League may also determine qualification for the AI Championship depending on the Autumn special Congress (and Covid !!)
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on June 06, 2021, 01:42:00 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 04, 2021, 11:12:35 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 04, 2021, 07:51:13 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 04, 2021, 04:48:54 PM
Quote from: macker15 on June 04, 2021, 04:02:50 PM
Roscommon and Galway both strong favourites here. Were told here how competitive Connacht is. Time for Galway and the Rossies to shit or get off the pot. Mayo will need a competitive for their All Ireland semifinal.
Ahh no we're not actually.
We've done nothing to warrant being favourites at all in our game not to mind being strong favourites.
It being played in Clones is a plus for Monaghan too.
Pp have both teams at evens.
I expect Monaghan to beat us - we are very very average.

Galway going nowhere, just hope the likes of Paul Kelly Tierney & Glynn continue to start whilst Culhane & Sweeney get some minutes too. Need the likes of Cooke & Finnerty to step up and be consistent but not overly optimistic on Finnerty. The likes of Brannigan & Heaney have followed Ian Burke by offering nothing and there's no kickout strategy at either end.

Galway won U21 All Ireland's in 2011 & 13 and were runners up in 2017. Galway haven't got nowhere near enough top players from those sides, probably 3 players good enough to win All Stars in Walsh, Comer & Sean Kelly. Just hope they get more out of last years winners as don't think there'll be much more coming out of the 2019 provincial winners.
Galway need a "Blue Wave" style review and plan that would overhaul of the entire football structures that are in place, we won't put the Senior IC team in the best place to succeed over the long term until this is done.
It won't happen.

You are right it won't happen. Why? Because Galway footballers are worth feck-all to the GAA Coffers.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: UpMeeyo on June 06, 2021, 02:06:23 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 04, 2021, 11:22:15 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 04, 2021, 04:51:32 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 04, 2021, 01:06:42 PM
Armagh vs Ros is a huge game. Big for both teams but absolutely huge for us. It's been a long road back to here.

We know that Dublin and Kerry are way ahead of us. Depressingly it is difficult to conceive of how those respective gaps could be closed.

We have to admit that Donegal, Tyrone and Mayo are ahead of us. Not by as much but definitively ahead. Bottom 3 in Division 1 looks like a ceiling for us in the near term. On that basis you will suffer relegation at some point. Roscommon are in that yo-yo territory already. Relegation is not a disaster but it makes everything this group of players is trying to achieve that bit more difficult

A case to be made that Division 1 should become a 10 team group.

As Mayo found out last year the trap door is too easy to fall through in the current format and the likes of Armagh, Roscommon, Meath need consecutive years in Div 1 to develop.

No matter where you make the cut there will always be winners and losers. Can't see any reason for interfering with 4 tiers of 8

Personally I think if league has an influence on championship it should be division 1a/1b for top 16 and D 2a/2b for the next 16 to allow the chance for the bottom 16 to play for the Sam in any 2 year period.

It would be better for the game in that current D2 teams would have better exposure to the top tier teams and allow the Roscommons/armaghs/meaths to develop without the constant threat/pressure of relegation/promotion.

On top of that it would allow teams to not always have to play close to their best 15s every week, giving us a chance to see other players play.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 06, 2021, 08:44:41 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 06, 2021, 01:42:00 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 04, 2021, 11:12:35 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 04, 2021, 07:51:13 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 04, 2021, 04:48:54 PM
Quote from: macker15 on June 04, 2021, 04:02:50 PM
Roscommon and Galway both strong favourites here. Were told here how competitive Connacht is. Time for Galway and the Rossies to shit or get off the pot. Mayo will need a competitive for their All Ireland semifinal.
Ahh no we're not actually.
We've done nothing to warrant being favourites at all in our game not to mind being strong favourites.
It being played in Clones is a plus for Monaghan too.
Pp have both teams at evens.
I expect Monaghan to beat us - we are very very average.

Galway going nowhere, just hope the likes of Paul Kelly Tierney & Glynn continue to start whilst Culhane & Sweeney get some minutes too. Need the likes of Cooke & Finnerty to step up and be consistent but not overly optimistic on Finnerty. The likes of Brannigan & Heaney have followed Ian Burke by offering nothing and there's no kickout strategy at either end.

Galway won U21 All Ireland's in 2011 & 13 and were runners up in 2017. Galway haven't got nowhere near enough top players from those sides, probably 3 players good enough to win All Stars in Walsh, Comer & Sean Kelly. Just hope they get more out of last years winners as don't think there'll be much more coming out of the 2019 provincial winners.
Galway need a "Blue Wave" style review and plan that would overhaul of the entire football structures that are in place, we won't put the Senior IC team in the best place to succeed over the long term until this is done.
It won't happen.

You are right it won't happen. Why? Because Galway footballers are worth feck-all to the GAA Coffers.

Why do you think that Bunker? I mean as seafoid keeps his 'thuas seal agus thíos seal' argument going and I dislike it, but the fact is that Galway are the only county to bring Sam west in 70 years. If Galway did get their act together then surely they would have more fans etc.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on June 06, 2021, 08:51:43 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 06, 2021, 08:44:41 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 06, 2021, 01:42:00 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 04, 2021, 11:12:35 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 04, 2021, 07:51:13 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 04, 2021, 04:48:54 PM
Quote from: macker15 on June 04, 2021, 04:02:50 PM
Roscommon and Galway both strong favourites here. Were told here how competitive Connacht is. Time for Galway and the Rossies to shit or get off the pot. Mayo will need a competitive for their All Ireland semifinal.
Ahh no we're not actually.
We've done nothing to warrant being favourites at all in our game not to mind being strong favourites.
It being played in Clones is a plus for Monaghan too.
Pp have both teams at evens.
I expect Monaghan to beat us - we are very very average.

Galway going nowhere, just hope the likes of Paul Kelly Tierney & Glynn continue to start whilst Culhane & Sweeney get some minutes too. Need the likes of Cooke & Finnerty to step up and be consistent but not overly optimistic on Finnerty. The likes of Brannigan & Heaney have followed Ian Burke by offering nothing and there's no kickout strategy at either end.

Galway won U21 All Ireland's in 2011 & 13 and were runners up in 2017. Galway haven't got nowhere near enough top players from those sides, probably 3 players good enough to win All Stars in Walsh, Comer & Sean Kelly. Just hope they get more out of last years winners as don't think there'll be much more coming out of the 2019 provincial winners.
Galway need a "Blue Wave" style review and plan that would overhaul of the entire football structures that are in place, we won't put the Senior IC team in the best place to succeed over the long term until this is done.
It won't happen.

You are right it won't happen. Why? Because Galway footballers are worth feck-all to the GAA Coffers.

Why do you think that Bunker? I mean as seafoid keeps his 'thuas seal agus thíos seal' argument going and I dislike it, but the fact is that Galway are the only county to bring Sam west in 70 years. If Galway did get their act together then surely they would have more fans etc.
We are the ultimate fair weather supporter county unfortunately.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on June 06, 2021, 09:56:48 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 06, 2021, 08:44:41 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 06, 2021, 01:42:00 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 04, 2021, 11:12:35 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 04, 2021, 07:51:13 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 04, 2021, 04:48:54 PM
Quote from: macker15 on June 04, 2021, 04:02:50 PM
Roscommon and Galway both strong favourites here. Were told here how competitive Connacht is. Time for Galway and the Rossies to shit or get off the pot. Mayo will need a competitive for their All Ireland semifinal.
Ahh no we're not actually.
We've done nothing to warrant being favourites at all in our game not to mind being strong favourites.
It being played in Clones is a plus for Monaghan too.
Pp have both teams at evens.
I expect Monaghan to beat us - we are very very average.

Galway going nowhere, just hope the likes of Paul Kelly Tierney & Glynn continue to start whilst Culhane & Sweeney get some minutes too. Need the likes of Cooke & Finnerty to step up and be consistent but not overly optimistic on Finnerty. The likes of Brannigan & Heaney have followed Ian Burke by offering nothing and there's no kickout strategy at either end.

Galway won U21 All Ireland's in 2011 & 13 and were runners up in 2017. Galway haven't got nowhere near enough top players from those sides, probably 3 players good enough to win All Stars in Walsh, Comer & Sean Kelly. Just hope they get more out of last years winners as don't think there'll be much more coming out of the 2019 provincial winners.
Galway need a "Blue Wave" style review and plan that would overhaul of the entire football structures that are in place, we won't put the Senior IC team in the best place to succeed over the long term until this is done.
It won't happen.

You are right it won't happen. Why? Because Galway footballers are worth feck-all to the GAA Coffers.

Why do you think that Bunker? I mean as seafoid keeps his 'thuas seal agus thíos seal' argument going and I dislike it, but the fact is that Galway are the only county to bring Sam west in 70 years. If Galway did get their act together then surely they would have more fans etc.
Not now.

https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/all-ireland-senior-football-championship/winner
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on June 06, 2021, 12:10:31 PM
London not participating 1,000 to 1.
Leitrim and Sligo 2,000 to 1
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on June 06, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Meath 100/1 is the standout price.
Shows how the Dublin project has destroyed Leinster
football.
Meath used to be a marquee side.

Seal dá raibheas im maighdean shéimh
Is anois im bhaintreach caite ar stré

https://youtu.be/5Ojy1W6r8L0
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on June 08, 2021, 08:25:49 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 06, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Meath 100/1 is the standout price.
Shows how the Dublin project has destroyed Leinster
football.
Meath used to be a marquee side.

Seal dá raibheas im maighdean shéimh
Is anois im bhaintreach caite ar stré

https://youtu.be/5Ojy1W6r8L0
I'll give you them at 100/1 for Leinster!
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: balladmaker on June 08, 2021, 08:53:36 AM
The relegation play-offs is where it's at this weekend ....

Armagh v Roscommon
Monaghan v Galway

The makings of two great games .... I expect Armagh v Roscommon will go down to the wire as most Armagh games tend to do.  What's the Roscommon view for their prospects this weekend?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on June 08, 2021, 09:24:53 AM
If you asked us after the Galway game very dim.
A bit more confidence after the Kerry game.
I'd say we're looking at it as a 50/50, all on the day etc, etc.
Hopefully it doesn't go to a fkn penalty shoot out.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 09:53:41 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 08, 2021, 09:24:53 AM
If you asked us after the Galway game very dim.
A bit more confidence after the Kerry game.
I'd say we're looking at it as a 50/50, all on the day etc, etc.
Hopefully it doesn't go to a fkn penalty shoot out.

That's quite the signature you've got there
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on June 08, 2021, 10:37:16 AM
Feel bad for both of the teams that will go down after just 3 league matches and a win or go home game, there was no margin for error at all really.
Avoiding relegation was the only thing that mattered this year given the format so these are two massive games, Galway have a serious job on their hands going up to Moanaghan to escape the trapdoor.
Once you go down it could be a brutal slog to get out again if you don't bounce straight back up as Galway found for the many years we were in Divison Two the previous decade. I wouldn't like to try and predict what shape Galway show up in on Sunday but certainly anything less than full tilt and it'll be down to second tier because in terms of gaining possession from kickouts they will surely be in second place on the day as Monaghan have such an advantage at the goalkeeping position and at restarts.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 10:42:51 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 08, 2021, 10:37:16 AM
Feel bad for both of the teams that will go down after just 3 league matches and a win or go home game, there was no margin for error at all really.
Avoiding relegation was the only thing that mattered this year given the format so these are two massive games, Galway have a serious job on their hands going up to Moanaghan to escape the trapdoor.
Once you go down it could be a brutal slog to get out again if you don't bounce straight back up as Galway found for the many years we were in Divison Two the previous decade. I wouldn't like to try and predict what shape Galway show up in on Sunday but certainly anything less than full tilt and it'll be down to second tier because in terms of gaining possession from kickouts they will surely be in second place on the day as Monaghan have such an advantage at the goalkeeping position and at restarts.

I would agree in most things your saying however you need to realise Galway are a division 2 side that have been seriously lacking since their all ireland win in 01.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on June 08, 2021, 11:21:57 AM
Quote from: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 10:42:51 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 08, 2021, 10:37:16 AM
Feel bad for both of the teams that will go down after just 3 league matches and a win or go home game, there was no margin for error at all really.
Avoiding relegation was the only thing that mattered this year given the format so these are two massive games, Galway have a serious job on their hands going up to Moanaghan to escape the trapdoor.
Once you go down it could be a brutal slog to get out again if you don't bounce straight back up as Galway found for the many years we were in Divison Two the previous decade. I wouldn't like to try and predict what shape Galway show up in on Sunday but certainly anything less than full tilt and it'll be down to second tier because in terms of gaining possession from kickouts they will surely be in second place on the day as Monaghan have such an advantage at the goalkeeping position and at restarts.

I would agree in most things your saying however you need to realise Galway are a division 2 side that have been seriously lacking since their all ireland win in 01.

Division one like everything else in fuball has been debased. Armagh/Ros aren't D1 teams either by that reckoning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVyS9JwtFoQ
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on June 08, 2021, 11:54:35 AM
Quote from: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 10:42:51 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 08, 2021, 10:37:16 AM
Feel bad for both of the teams that will go down after just 3 league matches and a win or go home game, there was no margin for error at all really.
Avoiding relegation was the only thing that mattered this year given the format so these are two massive games, Galway have a serious job on their hands going up to Moanaghan to escape the trapdoor.
Once you go down it could be a brutal slog to get out again if you don't bounce straight back up as Galway found for the many years we were in Divison Two the previous decade. I wouldn't like to try and predict what shape Galway show up in on Sunday but certainly anything less than full tilt and it'll be down to second tier because in terms of gaining possession from kickouts they will surely be in second place on the day as Monaghan have such an advantage at the goalkeeping position and at restarts.

I would agree in most things your saying however you need to realise Galway are a division 2 side that have been seriously lacking since their all ireland win in 01.
Yeah at All Ireland level a non entity for 20 years and certainly might be a Div 2 side by Sunday evening alright but by all other metrics have been Div 1 since 2017 so don't know how we'd need to realise they are a Div 2 side during that period? Is it that they weren't fit for Div 1 all through or that they are clearly a Div 2 standard team right now?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 11:59:01 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 08, 2021, 11:54:35 AM
Quote from: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 10:42:51 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 08, 2021, 10:37:16 AM
Feel bad for both of the teams that will go down after just 3 league matches and a win or go home game, there was no margin for error at all really.
Avoiding relegation was the only thing that mattered this year given the format so these are two massive games, Galway have a serious job on their hands going up to Moanaghan to escape the trapdoor.
Once you go down it could be a brutal slog to get out again if you don't bounce straight back up as Galway found for the many years we were in Divison Two the previous decade. I wouldn't like to try and predict what shape Galway show up in on Sunday but certainly anything less than full tilt and it'll be down to second tier because in terms of gaining possession from kickouts they will surely be in second place on the day as Monaghan have such an advantage at the goalkeeping position and at restarts.

Galway excellent county for GAA and have upmost respect for them however, it can be said that there are sides sitting in div2 and derry in div3 that could put it up to the Tribesmen
I would agree in most things your saying however you need to realise Galway are a division 2 side that have been seriously lacking since their all ireland win in 01.
Yeah at All Ireland level a non entity for 20 years and certainly might be a Div 2 side by Sunday evening alright but by all other metrics have been Div 1 since 2017 so don't know how we'd need to realise they are a Div 2 side during that period? Is it that they weren't fit for Div 1 all through or that they are clearly a Div 2 standard team right now?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on June 08, 2021, 12:24:58 PM
With all due respect to those Div 2 teams and Derry they have been playing some teams that are nowhere near Div 1 standard. Galway have been stuck playing Dublin and Kerry out of 3 games due to the crazy structure of the league this year.
I don't think Galway are in a great place at the minute and the more I see on the pitch, the less confidence I have in the mgt team but I don't see a whole pile down the Divisions that's all that great outside of Mayo who are clearly better than several Div 1 teams.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 12:28:26 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 08, 2021, 12:24:58 PM
With all due respect to those Div 2 teams and Derry they have been playing some teams that are nowhere near Div 1 standard. Galway have been stuck playing Dublin and Kerry out of 3 games due to the crazy structure of the league this year.
I don't think Galway are in a great place at the minute and the more I see on the pitch, the less confidence I have in the mgt team but I don't see a whole pile down the Divisions that's all that great outside of Mayo who are clearly better than several Div 1 teams.

I agree Galway's fixtures and the way the league has been handled this year is a disgrace in my opinion however, you must admit that it's been coming for Galway for a while since their fluke season a couple of years ago. Mayo will be straight back up and are a lot more fitting of Galway's spot.

From a tyrone fan
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on June 08, 2021, 01:21:54 PM
Don't see how "it's been coming for a while" in all honesty, on what basis? That statement doesn't stack up in reality. Galway have had zero relegation issues until this year, finished table in 1st, 5th, 3rd in previous years.
50/50 chance of it right now but the eqivalence of a poor showing over 3 weeks in May 2021 to it's "been coming since 2018" is some stretch. Even if you were to say it's been coming since the games resumed last October then that's a strong argument but saying it's coming since 2018 doesn't make any sense.
Mayo are a better team than Galway but they are better than a good few more as well in Div 1, plenty other teams in the lower ranking range outside of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry who could all beat each other depending on the day.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 02:05:22 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 08, 2021, 01:21:54 PM
Don't see how "it's been coming for a while" in all honesty, on what basis? That statement doesn't stack up in reality. Galway have had zero relegation issues until this year, finished table in 1st, 5th, 3rd in previous years.
50/50 chance of it right now but the eqivalence of a poor showing over 3 weeks in May 2021 to it's "been coming since 2018" is some stretch. Even if you were to say it's been coming since the games resumed last October then that's a strong argument but saying it's coming since 2018 doesn't make any sense.
Mayo are a better team than Galway but they are better than a good few more as well in Div 1, plenty other teams in the lower ranking range outside of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry who could all beat each other depending on the day.

Maybe your right and I didn't have such an in-depth look as I should have. I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on June 08, 2021, 02:19:39 PM
Quote from: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 02:05:22 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 08, 2021, 01:21:54 PM
Don't see how "it's been coming for a while" in all honesty, on what basis? That statement doesn't stack up in reality. Galway have had zero relegation issues until this year, finished table in 1st, 5th, 3rd in previous years.
50/50 chance of it right now but the eqivalence of a poor showing over 3 weeks in May 2021 to it's "been coming since 2018" is some stretch. Even if you were to say it's been coming since the games resumed last October then that's a strong argument but saying it's coming since 2018 doesn't make any sense.
Mayo are a better team than Galway but they are better than a good few more as well in Div 1, plenty other teams in the lower ranking range outside of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry who could all beat each other depending on the day.

Maybe your right and I didn't have such an in-depth look as I should have. I stand corrected.
Absolutely correct. We won division 2 in 2017 and haven't been close to being relegated in the 3 seasons since.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 02:25:42 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 08, 2021, 02:19:39 PM
Quote from: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 02:05:22 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 08, 2021, 01:21:54 PM
Don't see how "it's been coming for a while" in all honesty, on what basis? That statement doesn't stack up in reality. Galway have had zero relegation issues until this year, finished table in 1st, 5th, 3rd in previous years.
50/50 chance of it right now but the eqivalence of a poor showing over 3 weeks in May 2021 to it's "been coming since 2018" is some stretch. Even if you were to say it's been coming since the games resumed last October then that's a strong argument but saying it's coming since 2018 doesn't make any sense.
Mayo are a better team than Galway but they are better than a good few more as well in Div 1, plenty other teams in the lower ranking range outside of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry who could all beat each other depending on the day.

Maybe your right and I didn't have such an in-depth look as I should have. I stand corrected.
Absolutely correct. We won division 2 in 2017 and haven't been close to being relegated in the 3 seasons since.

Still a long way away from an All Ireland Final appearance never mind a Sam Maguire
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: skeog on June 08, 2021, 02:48:22 PM
Same as 30 others in regard to winning Sam.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 02:50:41 PM
Quote from: skeog on June 08, 2021, 02:48:22 PM
Same as 30 others in regard to winning Sam.

Disagree. Personally believe Kerry could end Dublin's reign this year with Tyrone having a strong shout also at dethroning Dublin.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on June 08, 2021, 02:53:51 PM
You looking for a job as a media useful eejit?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 02:55:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 08, 2021, 02:53:51 PM
You looking for a job as a media useful eejit?

I have read this over 12 times and still can't make any sense of it...
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 08, 2021, 03:00:27 PM
Quote from: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 02:50:41 PM
Quote from: skeog on June 08, 2021, 02:48:22 PM
Same as 30 others in regard to winning Sam.

Disagree. Personally believe Kerry could end Dublin's reign this year with Tyrone having a strong shout also at dethroning Dublin.
Confirmed yourself right there as a bad WUM ;D
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on June 08, 2021, 03:23:00 PM
Quote from: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 02:25:42 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 08, 2021, 02:19:39 PM
Quote from: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 02:05:22 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 08, 2021, 01:21:54 PM
Don't see how "it's been coming for a while" in all honesty, on what basis? That statement doesn't stack up in reality. Galway have had zero relegation issues until this year, finished table in 1st, 5th, 3rd in previous years.
50/50 chance of it right now but the eqivalence of a poor showing over 3 weeks in May 2021 to it's "been coming since 2018" is some stretch. Even if you were to say it's been coming since the games resumed last October then that's a strong argument but saying it's coming since 2018 doesn't make any sense.
Mayo are a better team than Galway but they are better than a good few more as well in Div 1, plenty other teams in the lower ranking range outside of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry who could all beat each other depending on the day.

Maybe your right and I didn't have such an in-depth look as I should have. I stand corrected.
Absolutely correct. We won division 2 in 2017 and haven't been close to being relegated in the 3 seasons since.

Still a long way away from an All Ireland Final appearance never mind a Sam Maguire
A lost all Ireland is worthless. Mayo did recently what Galway did in the 1970s. Nobody cares outside the county. It's very sad.
Especially when the tables are titled the way they are.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 03:24:54 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 08, 2021, 03:00:27 PM
Quote from: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 02:50:41 PM
Quote from: skeog on June 08, 2021, 02:48:22 PM
Same as 30 others in regard to winning Sam.

Disagree. Personally believe Kerry could end Dublin's reign this year with Tyrone having a strong shout also at dethroning Dublin.
Confirmed yourself right there as a bad WUM ;D

Maybe a bit biased but with Logan and Dooher in and a few promosing performances I think we stand a better chance than most other DIV 1 teams
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on June 08, 2021, 03:48:39 PM
Quote from: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 02:25:42 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 08, 2021, 02:19:39 PM
Quote from: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 02:05:22 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 08, 2021, 01:21:54 PM
Don't see how "it's been coming for a while" in all honesty, on what basis? That statement doesn't stack up in reality. Galway have had zero relegation issues until this year, finished table in 1st, 5th, 3rd in previous years.
50/50 chance of it right now but the eqivalence of a poor showing over 3 weeks in May 2021 to it's "been coming since 2018" is some stretch. Even if you were to say it's been coming since the games resumed last October then that's a strong argument but saying it's coming since 2018 doesn't make any sense.
Mayo are a better team than Galway but they are better than a good few more as well in Div 1, plenty other teams in the lower ranking range outside of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry who could all beat each other depending on the day.

Maybe your right and I didn't have such an in-depth look as I should have. I stand corrected.
Absolutely correct. We won division 2 in 2017 and haven't been close to being relegated in the 3 seasons since.

Still a long way away from an All Ireland Final appearance never mind a Sam Maguire
Miles away. Never stated otherwise. That wasn't the point you were trying to make.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 04:03:06 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 08, 2021, 03:48:39 PM
Quote from: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 02:25:42 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 08, 2021, 02:19:39 PM
Quote from: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 02:05:22 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 08, 2021, 01:21:54 PM
Don't see how "it's been coming for a while" in all honesty, on what basis? That statement doesn't stack up in reality. Galway have had zero relegation issues until this year, finished table in 1st, 5th, 3rd in previous years.
50/50 chance of it right now but the eqivalence of a poor showing over 3 weeks in May 2021 to it's "been coming since 2018" is some stretch. Even if you were to say it's been coming since the games resumed last October then that's a strong argument but saying it's coming since 2018 doesn't make any sense.
Mayo are a better team than Galway but they are better than a good few more as well in Div 1, plenty other teams in the lower ranking range outside of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry who could all beat each other depending on the day.

Maybe your right and I didn't have such an in-depth look as I should have. I stand corrected.
Absolutely correct. We won division 2 in 2017 and haven't been close to being relegated in the 3 seasons since.

Still a long way away from an All Ireland Final appearance never mind a Sam Maguire
Miles away. Never stated otherwise. That wasn't the point you were trying to make.

And what's the point you are trying to make now?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on June 11, 2021, 09:21:08 PM
Kerry team to play Tyrone (no David Moran even named on the bench)

Kieran Fitzgibbon
Brian O BeagLaoich Jason Foley Tom O'Sullivan
Mike Breen Gavin Crowley Gavin White
Diarmuid O'Connor Adrian Spillane
Stephen O'Brien Sean O'Shea Paul Geaney
David Clifford Dara Moynihan Paudie Clifford


Armagh team to play Roscommon

Blaine Hughes
Ross Finn, James Morgan, Greg McCabe
Connaire Mackin, Aaron McKay, Ciaron O'Hanlon
Niall Grimley, Jarly Og Burns
Jemar Hall, Rian O'Neill, Ross McQuillan;
Rory Grugan, Oisin O'Neill, Stefan Campbell.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on June 11, 2021, 10:10:47 PM
Is BomberDestro/Angelo/??? back again with a new account?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: clarshack on June 11, 2021, 10:29:37 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 11, 2021, 10:10:47 PM
Is BomberDestro/Angelo/??? back again with a new account?

Was Angelo banned again?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: greatpoint on June 12, 2021, 05:10:06 PM
Clifford awarded one of the softest penalties you're ever likely to see
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: clarshack on June 12, 2021, 05:10:23 PM
Soft enough penalty for Kerry
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on June 12, 2021, 05:18:30 PM
Morgan has had a mare there
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 12, 2021, 05:19:50 PM
Morgan and the Tyrone defence all over the shop.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: clarshack on June 12, 2021, 05:20:11 PM
All over in the space of a couple of minutes.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on June 12, 2021, 05:20:57 PM
Strange to see a Tyrone team so open at the back, Kerry walking through the defence with ease
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on June 12, 2021, 05:22:31 PM
Feck that .will watch the soccer ball instead.  Kerry  will prob get tougher challenge from Clare next week.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: BennyCake on June 12, 2021, 05:22:57 PM
Who has to win for there to be a Div 1 final ?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on June 12, 2021, 05:25:59 PM
Tyrone and Donegal have to win for a final.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2021, 05:31:59 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 12, 2021, 05:25:59 PM
Tyrone and Donegal have to win for a final.

So no final then
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on June 12, 2021, 05:32:09 PM
Wonder how many goals Kerry will end up with here
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: clarshack on June 12, 2021, 05:32:45 PM
It's got embarrassing now
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 12, 2021, 05:33:06 PM
That last David Clifford point summed up Tyrones lack of defending in this half. He basically waltzed around the whole Tyrone backline not a glove laid on him as he took his point under no pressure.

A 4th goal for Kerry. Hot knife through butter.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2021, 05:34:05 PM
Quote from: Schkite on June 12, 2021, 05:32:09 PM
Wonder how many goals Kerry will end up with here

They've nearly as many goals to points Tyrone have!

Maybe not laying a glove on him is poor fitness?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on June 12, 2021, 05:37:17 PM
Fitness difference definitely noticeable. There was an incident where a ball was flicked on and Bradley chasing it down had a yard on his man but was outpaced in the sprint
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: clarshack on June 12, 2021, 05:39:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2021, 05:34:05 PM
Quote from: Schkite on June 12, 2021, 05:32:09 PM
Wonder how many goals Kerry will end up with here

They've nearly as many goals to points Tyrone have!

Maybe not laying a glove on him is poor fitness?

Kerry definitely fitter and sharper in every position.
Don't forget Kerry haven't lost a big/knockout game in Killarney since 1995 so it's the level of aggression they bring too that's also a factor.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on June 12, 2021, 05:39:58 PM
This is proper embarrassing. You'd swear the Tyrone lads never played in defence in their lives.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2021, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 12, 2021, 05:37:17 PM
Fitness difference definitely noticeable. There was an incident where a ball was flicked on and Bradley chasing it down had a yard on his man but was outpaced in the sprint

Seen that, thon lads was 65/35 in favour of winning ball, very bad.

Least the keeper got a hand to that one
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: greatpoint on June 12, 2021, 05:40:31 PM
It's hard to know how good Kerry have been due to how utterly rudderless Tyrone are.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 12, 2021, 05:40:51 PM
Kerry have it up front to trouble Dublin, issue always at the bck. As for Tyrone their defenders been shown up to what they are with out a blanket defence cover.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on June 12, 2021, 05:40:56 PM
Tyrone getting taught a lesson here.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: clarshack on June 12, 2021, 05:42:53 PM
Quote from: Schkite on June 12, 2021, 05:39:58 PM
This is proper embarrassing. You'd swear the Tyrone lads never played in defence in their lives.

Has shades of the infamous Brazil v Germany World Cup semi final.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2021, 05:43:18 PM
Tyrone to lose a man soon, giving away a lot of frees
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on June 12, 2021, 05:43:34 PM
Every time Tyrone get the ball they look sideways or back. Kerry completely ruthless and forwards always look ahead after receiving the ball
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2021, 05:43:55 PM
Galway not feeling too bad now
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on June 12, 2021, 05:45:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2021, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 12, 2021, 05:37:17 PM
Fitness difference definitely noticeable. There was an incident where a ball was flicked on and Bradley chasing it down had a yard on his man but was outpaced in the sprint

Seen that, thon lads was 65/35 in favour of winning ball, very bad.

Least the keeper got a hand to that one

I don't know if I'd call that fitness - to me it just looked like the Kerry player had a faster top speed.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on June 12, 2021, 05:47:48 PM
That first half performance a sign of things to come for Tyrone in knock out matches without Mickey Harte?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on June 12, 2021, 05:52:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2021, 05:43:55 PM
Galway not feeling too bad now

The Tyrone defending looks very similar to the Galway defending - standing too far off the Kerry players, allowing them to get possession far too easily.
Kerry look like they have realised if they are going to beat Dublin they are going to need to score goals.
Very much looks like a deliberate strategy to go for goals first.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on June 12, 2021, 05:56:52 PM
I say Pat Spillane will have blown a few loads watching that first half.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 12, 2021, 05:57:18 PM
Ref gave them a flying start with the penalty for the first goal.  Tyrone were ahead at that point. 
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on June 12, 2021, 06:02:13 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 12, 2021, 05:57:18 PM
Ref gave them a flying start with the penalty for the first goal.  Tyrone were ahead at that point.

Looked a clear push to me - McNamee was caught wrong-side and his attempt at a tackle was no way near the ball.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 12, 2021, 06:11:21 PM
Ye need 2 men marking Clifford, but that just free up other Kerry Forwards.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on June 12, 2021, 06:16:29 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 12, 2021, 06:11:21 PM
Ye need 2 men marking Clifford, but that just free up other Kerry Forwards.

Just brushed McNamee out of the way with ease for the last point.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2021, 06:33:18 PM
Keeper having a brain fart there
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: clarshack on June 12, 2021, 06:33:29 PM
Morgan's had a mare.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: omagh_gael on June 12, 2021, 06:34:18 PM
Morgan complete meltdown...directly cost us at least 2-2 today
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 12, 2021, 06:36:53 PM
When did Tyrone last concede 6 goals in a match?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 12, 2021, 06:40:45 PM
5 mins injury time. 17 points in it.  Ref, come on. 
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on June 12, 2021, 06:45:57 PM
Tyrone resorting to punching lads off the ball. It must be frustrating looking up at that score board.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: clarshack on June 12, 2021, 06:49:09 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 12, 2021, 06:36:53 PM
When did Tyrone last concede 6 goals in a match?

Conceded 5 against Armagh in 1987 Ulster Championship but 6? God knows?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: BennyCake on June 12, 2021, 07:06:58 PM
Quote from: clarshack on June 12, 2021, 06:49:09 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 12, 2021, 06:36:53 PM
When did Tyrone last concede 6 goals in a match?

Conceded 5 against Armagh in 1987 Ulster Championship but 6? God knows?

Ah yes, that was a great day.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on June 12, 2021, 07:08:55 PM
Quote from: macker15 on June 12, 2021, 06:45:57 PM
Tyrone resorting to punching lads off the ball. It must be frustrating looking up at that score board.
I must have missed this. Evidence?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on June 12, 2021, 07:18:34 PM
Quote from: clarshack on June 12, 2021, 06:49:09 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 12, 2021, 06:36:53 PM
When did Tyrone last concede 6 goals in a match?

Conceded 5 against Armagh in 1987 Ulster Championship but 6? God knows?
(https://i.ibb.co/S0ddY85/Screenshot-20210612-191535-2.png) (https://ibb.co/0ZFF4Sm)
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on June 12, 2021, 07:26:05 PM
Poor effort by Scully there going for goal.

Can anyone point out what Donegal are doing that's any different from McGuinness's game plan?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 12, 2021, 07:33:47 PM
Kerry have certainly raised the bar this season - I don't think Dublin will even beat them should they both be in a AI Final
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on June 12, 2021, 07:38:50 PM
Cagey fare so far.

Donegal's defensive approach is working so far but no side have more experience working their way through teams sitting deep than Dublin.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on June 12, 2021, 07:51:08 PM
Dublin get the break-through goal to make it 1-8 to 0-6.

Feel of inevitability to it.

Dublin have got close to Donegal's goal on a couple of occassions - Donegal have barely had any possession of the ball inside Dublin's 21 metre line.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on June 12, 2021, 07:56:12 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on June 12, 2021, 07:33:47 PM
Kerry have certainly raised the bar this season - I don't think Dublin will even beat them should they both be in a AI Final

Based on them hammering a Team who had to travel the length of the country for a Dead Rubber game?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 12, 2021, 08:00:06 PM
Going as well for Donegal as most would have expected. Will do well to keep the margin of defeat to 6 or less points.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: skeog on June 12, 2021, 08:06:04 PM
Junior B game would be more competitive than this shambles in Brefeni.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on June 12, 2021, 08:17:04 PM
Dublin rattle off 3 points in a row and in the blink of an eye the gap becomes a chasm for Donegal. 1-11 to 0-7
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on June 12, 2021, 08:26:18 PM
14 kickpasses by Donegal at the 48 minute mark.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on June 12, 2021, 08:30:21 PM
An actual goal chance for Donegal - very good save by Comerford
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on June 12, 2021, 08:48:03 PM
Goal for Donegal - too little too late - about 5 different Dublin players could share the blame.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on June 12, 2021, 08:53:44 PM
Dublin 1-18 Donegal 1-14.

A four point hammering.

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on June 12, 2021, 08:55:15 PM
Very flattering scoreline for Donegal there
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 12, 2021, 08:55:39 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 12, 2021, 08:53:44 PM
Dublin 1-18 Donegal 1-14.

A four point hammering.
Harsh for the effort Donegal put in. What were you expecting from that match?

Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 12, 2021, 08:55:56 PM
And Con O Callaghan can speak Irish, he's good at everything.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on June 12, 2021, 09:03:58 PM
Straight forward win for Dublin which they never looked like losing once scoring their goal. 1-14 a decent score for Donegal against the best organised defence in the country and did it without Jamie Brennan and Michael Murphy.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 12, 2021, 09:05:35 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 12, 2021, 07:56:12 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on June 12, 2021, 07:33:47 PM
Kerry have certainly raised the bar this season - I don't think Dublin will even beat them should they both be in a AI Final

Based on them hammering a Team who had to travel the length of the country for a Dead Rubber game?

Didn't they hammer Galway? Draw with Dublin and beat Roscommon with a weakened team.

I don't think they are doing too badly for themselves and are only going to get better
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2021, 09:16:09 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 12, 2021, 07:08:55 PM
Quote from: macker15 on June 12, 2021, 06:45:57 PM
Tyrone resorting to punching lads off the ball. It must be frustrating looking up at that score board.
I must have missed this. Evidence?

After the ball was thrown away by the Kerry player the Tyrone player punched him in the chest, off the ball but the camera caught it.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: yellowcard on June 12, 2021, 09:26:21 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on June 12, 2021, 07:33:47 PM
Kerry have certainly raised the bar this season - I don't think Dublin will even beat them should they both be in a AI Final

That was a glorified challenge match with nothing at stake. Granted Kerry looked impressive but they won last years league and we all know what happened come championship. Both Dublin and the GAA media will be delighted as the Kerry hype train gains more momentum.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2021, 09:39:31 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 12, 2021, 09:26:21 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on June 12, 2021, 07:33:47 PM
Kerry have certainly raised the bar this season - I don't think Dublin will even beat them should they both be in a AI Final

That was a glorified challenge match with nothing at stake. Granted Kerry looked impressive but they won last years league and we all know what happened come championship. Both Dublin and the GAA media will be delighted as the Kerry hype train gains more momentum.

So Tyrone should've just played the reserve team, they can only get better I suppose
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: dublin7 on June 12, 2021, 10:58:27 PM
Great results tonight for Dublin. I can't wait for Spillane to announce how great this Kerry team is. Amazing how all the hype will be on Kerry this summer and not the dubs
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2021, 11:49:20 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on June 12, 2021, 10:58:27 PM
Great results tonight for Dublin. I can't wait for Spillane to announce how great this Kerry team is. Amazing how all the hype will be on Kerry this summer and not the dubs

Thought Dublin were ok without being brilliant, and no need to either, championship is where it happens
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Eire90 on June 13, 2021, 03:19:24 AM
a two team championship still not good for the game
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on June 13, 2021, 10:58:55 AM
Big one today in the Armagh Athletic Grounds.
Have Armagh arrived?, are Ros on the downhill slope? Can we continue our run of wins against Armagh or is today the day it ends?
Hopefully we're still "at it" and if so I think our bench will see us through.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 13, 2021, 12:16:15 PM
It was   a 2 team championship from 1974 to 1986 with only Offaly and Cork offering any real resistance.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: greatpoint on June 13, 2021, 12:22:24 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on June 13, 2021, 03:19:24 AM
a two team championship still not good for the game

Would yiz stop with the top two nonsense. It's Dublin and everyone else, has been for 7 years.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on June 13, 2021, 12:40:08 PM
Their championship record from 2015 must read about 40 -0 and a draw or 2 v Rhubarbs. :-\
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: SouthDublinBro on June 13, 2021, 01:55:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2021, 11:49:20 PM
Thought Dublin were ok without being brilliant, and no need to either, championship is where it happens

Dublin were playing against an Ulster county against an Ulster pitch and against an Ulster ref. They did just fine with the odds stacked highly in Donegal's favour.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 13, 2021, 02:18:14 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 13, 2021, 01:55:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2021, 11:49:20 PM
Thought Dublin were ok without being brilliant, and no need to either, championship is where it happens

Dublin were playing against an Ulster county against an Ulster pitch and against an Ulster ref. They did just fine with the odds stacked highly in Donegal's favour.

Interesting comment from a Dub. But good to see one acknowledge that fact.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on June 13, 2021, 02:28:52 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 13, 2021, 01:55:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2021, 11:49:20 PM
Thought Dublin were ok without being brilliant, and no need to either, championship is where it happens

Dublin were playing against an Ulster county against an Ulster pitch and against an Ulster ref. They did just fine with the odds stacked highly in Donegal's favour.

Much in the same way every AI championship is stacked in Dublin's favour
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 13, 2021, 03:03:41 PM
The mark is so stupid
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rudi on June 13, 2021, 03:28:46 PM
Ulster ref favouring ulster side here
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 13, 2021, 03:39:58 PM
Quote from: Rudi on June 13, 2021, 03:28:46 PM
Ulster ref favouring ulster side here

Really?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on June 13, 2021, 03:43:40 PM
Quote from: Rudi on June 13, 2021, 03:28:46 PM
Ulster ref favouring ulster side here

Certainly not
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on June 13, 2021, 03:47:14 PM
Half time Armagh 1-7 Roscommon 0-7. The goal a big error in the Roscommon defence and could be a big score in a a expected tight match.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on June 13, 2021, 04:24:07 PM
jack mccarron has scored 3 sweet points off his left for monaghan. Both sides wasting chances though - not much pace in it but that might be the heat
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on June 13, 2021, 04:26:35 PM
galway goal with last kick of first half. That could be crucial
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 13, 2021, 04:34:16 PM
Armagh dominating without doing anything spectacular.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 13, 2021, 04:37:45 PM
Is McStay having a laugh - nothing in that tackle! Full charge with the shoulder into the back
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on June 13, 2021, 04:44:21 PM
Very easy in the end. Roscommon 15 a bit of a glipe
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: balladmaker on June 13, 2021, 04:44:49 PM
Great win for Armagh, we'll deserved.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: bennydorano on June 13, 2021, 04:54:03 PM
Good win after a poor first 15. Great to see Murnin back and fit as well, hopefully he'll have a bit of good luck, another serious option for the forward line. Brendan Donaghy obviously not too far away either which is great as we need all the help we can get back there.
We're not the best team in Ulster but there's certainly nothing to be afraid of, a Championship there for the taking.

Roscommon didn't have much apart from the Kerry man.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on June 13, 2021, 05:12:15 PM
gough is shocking here. Galway probably shading it but getting a serious amount of help
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 13, 2021, 05:20:05 PM
I was a bit surprised by Roscommon, thought they would have upped the intensity at the end like they usually do when playing Armagh. Not a massive fan of the way Armagh setup but when some of your main defenders are missing through injury or on a yellow card there isn't much choice in it. 

It was the win Armagh needed. They have played pretty decent football throughout the league and they need to develop at the highest level.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: dublin7 on June 13, 2021, 05:26:44 PM
Conor McManus with the brilliant and the ridiculous. Kicks a great score to equalise with the last kick of the game and then takes a dive to try and get a Galway player sent off.

Galway should have won it
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on June 13, 2021, 05:29:22 PM
Roscommon got worse the longer the game went on, never looked like getting a goal to get them back into the match. Armagh fully deserved the win and even them will be surprised how comfortable the win was. Huge for their development to retain Div 1 status.

Big drama at the end of that match in Clones. Galway will be kicking themselves for not closing out that game if they go on to lose.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on June 13, 2021, 05:29:41 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on June 13, 2021, 05:26:44 PM
Conor McManus with the brilliant and the ridiculous. Kicks a great score to equalise with the last kick of the game and then takes a dive to try and get a Galway player sent off.

Galway should have won it
Yeah right. The galway number 2 didn't box him ?
Ended up a great game but gough gave some very strange decision. MOnaghan got a mark and he let the galway lad wrestle it from his arms and play on ?
Draw fair in the end - both sides missed easy chances though. Could go either way in extra time
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on June 13, 2021, 05:30:34 PM
Brilliant equalising point by McManus with 3 Galway players hanging off him or thereabouts.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: dublin7 on June 13, 2021, 05:30:47 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 13, 2021, 05:29:41 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on June 13, 2021, 05:26:44 PM
Conor McManus with the brilliant and the ridiculous. Kicks a great score to equalise with the last kick of the game and then takes a dive to try and get a Galway player sent off.

Galway should have won it
Yeah right. The galway number 2 didn't box him ?
Ended up a great game but gough gave some very strange decision. MOnaghan got a mark and he let the galway lad wrestle it from his arms and play on ?
Draw fair in the end - both sides missed easy chances though. Could go either way in extra time

He gave him a slight touch not a full blown punch. At least the ref was smart enough to see the dive for what it was.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on June 13, 2021, 05:31:37 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on June 13, 2021, 05:30:47 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 13, 2021, 05:29:41 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on June 13, 2021, 05:26:44 PM
Conor McManus with the brilliant and the ridiculous. Kicks a great score to equalise with the last kick of the game and then takes a dive to try and get a Galway player sent off.

Galway should have won it
Yeah right. The galway number 2 didn't box him ?
Ended up a great game but gough gave some very strange decision. MOnaghan got a mark and he let the galway lad wrestle it from his arms and play on ?
Draw fair in the end - both sides missed easy chances though. Could go either way in extra time

He gave him a slight touch not a full blown punch. At least the ref was smart enough to see the dive for what it was.
He hit him with a closed fist. At least be honest about it
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: clarshack on June 13, 2021, 05:32:58 PM
Good comeback by Monaghan
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 05:38:22 PM
Fair play to Monaghan and they are in the box seat now but Galway's appalling conversion rate in this game is the only reason it went to ET.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on June 13, 2021, 05:39:19 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 05:38:22 PM
Fair play to Monaghan and they are in the box seat now but Galway's appalling conversion rate in this game is the only reason it went to ET.
Beggan also missed 2 (at least) frees that you'd expect him to make
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: dublin7 on June 13, 2021, 05:40:12 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 13, 2021, 05:31:37 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on June 13, 2021, 05:30:47 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 13, 2021, 05:29:41 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on June 13, 2021, 05:26:44 PM
Conor McManus with the brilliant and the ridiculous. Kicks a great score to equalise with the last kick of the game and then takes a dive to try and get a Galway player sent off.

Galway should have won it
Yeah right. The galway number 2 didn't box him ?
Ended up a great game but gough gave some very strange decision. MOnaghan got a mark and he let the galway lad wrestle it from his arms and play on ?
Draw fair in the end - both sides missed easy chances though. Could go either way in extra time

He gave him a slight touch not a full blown punch. At least the ref was smart enough to see the dive for what it was.
He hit him with a closed fist. At least be honest about it

He did in his f**k. McManus was jostling him looking for a reaction. When he got what he wanted he hit the ground as if he was shot. 

Conroy's stupid black card killed Galway at the end on the kick outs. You'd imagine Monaghan will push on win from here. Galway must be wondering how they didn't win this game in the 70 min
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on June 13, 2021, 05:46:12 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on June 13, 2021, 05:40:12 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 13, 2021, 05:31:37 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on June 13, 2021, 05:30:47 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 13, 2021, 05:29:41 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on June 13, 2021, 05:26:44 PM
Conor McManus with the brilliant and the ridiculous. Kicks a great score to equalise with the last kick of the game and then takes a dive to try and get a Galway player sent off.

Galway should have won it
Yeah right. The galway number 2 didn't box him ?
Ended up a great game but gough gave some very strange decision. MOnaghan got a mark and he let the galway lad wrestle it from his arms and play on ?
Draw fair in the end - both sides missed easy chances though. Could go either way in extra time

He gave him a slight touch not a full blown punch. At least the ref was smart enough to see the dive for what it was.
He hit him with a closed fist. At least be honest about it

He did in his f**k. McManus was jostling him looking for a reaction. When he got what he wanted he hit the ground as if he was shot. 

Conroy's stupid black card killed Galway at the end on the kick outs. You'd imagine Monaghan will push on win from here. Galway must be wondering how they didn't win this game in the 70 min
get your telly checked out. Its not okay to hammer forwards after they score or indeed miss. He was very lucky to get away with it
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 05:55:25 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 13, 2021, 05:39:19 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 05:38:22 PM
Fair play to Monaghan and they are in the box seat now but Galway's appalling conversion rate in this game is the only reason it went to ET.
Beggan also missed 2 (at least) frees that you'd expect him to make
Heaney missed a goal with an air kick from 3 yards, Beggan was nearly lobbed for a goal, two shocking misses from Walsh and Finnerty in last 5 minutes of ordinary time, that's all I remember off the top of my head, they should have been well out the gap.
PJ and Scan show will be on borrowed time if Galway go down.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Schkite on June 13, 2021, 06:03:42 PM
Gough has rode us today. Nothing new with the officials in this league, and we haven't done ourselves any favours either, but still very frustrating.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: dublin7 on June 13, 2021, 06:05:13 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 13, 2021, 05:46:12 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on June 13, 2021, 05:40:12 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 13, 2021, 05:31:37 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on June 13, 2021, 05:30:47 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 13, 2021, 05:29:41 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on June 13, 2021, 05:26:44 PM
Conor McManus with the brilliant and the ridiculous. Kicks a great score to equalise with the last kick of the game and then takes a dive to try and get a Galway player sent off.

Galway should have won it
Yeah right. The galway number 2 didn't box him ?
Ended up a great game but gough gave some very strange decision. MOnaghan got a mark and he let the galway lad wrestle it from his arms and play on ?
Draw fair in the end - both sides missed easy chances though. Could go either way in extra time

He gave him a slight touch not a full blown punch. At least the ref was smart enough to see the dive for what it was.
He hit him with a closed fist. At least be honest about it

He did in his f**k. McManus was jostling him looking for a reaction. When he got what he wanted he hit the ground as if he was shot. 

Conroy's stupid black card killed Galway at the end on the kick outs. You'd imagine Monaghan will push on win from here. Galway must be wondering how they didn't win this game in the 70 min
get your telly checked out. Its not okay to hammer forwards after they score or indeed miss. He was very lucky to get away with it
Clearly the ref/umpires seen it for the dive it was. I do agree the Galway player shouldn't have reacted to McManus's actions after the point.

Galway looking like they are going to blow this despite being the better team. Ever since the first lockdown last year it's been all downhill for Galway. Getting relegated now is a big blow for Joyce
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on June 13, 2021, 06:05:49 PM
Well done Monaghan
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on June 13, 2021, 06:06:45 PM
Quote from: Schkite on June 13, 2021, 06:03:42 PM
Gough has rode us today. Nothing new with the officials in this league, and we haven't done ourselves any favours either, but still very frustrating.
If you're from monaghan i'll agree. The 1st decision he gave monaghan was the galway black and he had to give that
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on June 13, 2021, 06:07:36 PM
penalties?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 13, 2021, 06:09:55 PM
Congratulations Monaghan
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on June 13, 2021, 06:10:09 PM
what a kick. Very hard on galway but Mccarron was outstanding all day
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: clarshack on June 13, 2021, 06:10:54 PM
Galway had possession and gave a crazy pass away.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: dublin7 on June 13, 2021, 06:11:54 PM
That was a crazy finish. Monaghan miss a sitter to make it a 2 point game and finish it. Galway equaliser from a mark after a hail Mary long ball and then Galway gift the ball back to Monaghan to win it.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Hound on June 13, 2021, 06:12:40 PM
Fabulous winning score. But the Galway lad who fist passed the ball straight to Monaghan deserves an enormous root up the hole for robbing the public of a penalty shoot out!
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on June 13, 2021, 06:13:25 PM
f**king threw that away in normal time.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on June 13, 2021, 06:14:52 PM
Well done to Monaghan.

We thoroughly got what our performance deserved.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on June 13, 2021, 06:15:20 PM
Galway should have had the game put away in the 70 mins but a gritty Monaghan won it in ET.  Not great quality but a nail biter of a game, graced by two  magnificent  pressure points scored by McManus and McCarron
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on June 13, 2021, 06:16:17 PM
Some score to win it for Monaghan,  yet another year in division 1 for Monaghan fantastic achievement for them to stay up in the top division this long.

Heartbreaking for Galway but only themselves to blame for not closing that game out in normal time
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 06:18:35 PM
Galway got what they deserved there, how do you do the hard part at the end and then just pass the ball back to them for the winner?
Fair play to Monaghan, great kick from the MOTM to do the business.
Joyce has talked a good game and not backed it up one bit. Superb player and a complete hero on the pitch but there's neither the results or the performances at the minute.  Galway are miles off Dubs and Kerry but going to Division Two is a complete setback, no point saying otherwise. Needs to get rid of Scan at least if he's there next year, this isn't a place carrying your best buddy along.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 13, 2021, 06:32:26 PM
Well done to Armagh and Monaghan the latter having to work alot harder to retain their top flight status. Hopefully its a 7 game league next year with no limits on crowds.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on June 13, 2021, 06:35:57 PM
Well done to Monaghan. The West's asleep! ;)
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on June 13, 2021, 06:47:38 PM
The split into 2×4 was arseways. Galway aren't the second worst team in D1. Neither are Monaghan.

It was the same in the hurling. The standard in Galway's pool was far higher than in the other one.

If the footballers are any good they will be ar ais arís next year.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 13, 2021, 06:53:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2021, 06:47:38 PM
The split into 2×4 was arseways. Galway aren't the second worst team in D1. Neither are Monaghan.

It was the same in the hurling. The standard in Galway's pool was far higher than in the other one.

If the footballers are any good they will be ar ais arís next year.

Who are?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 06:57:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2021, 06:47:38 PM
The split into 2×4 was arseways. Galway aren't the second worst team in D1. Neither are Monaghan.

It was the same in the hurling. The standard in Galway's pool was far higher than in the other one.

If the footballers are any good they will be ar ais arís next year.
Galway clearly are because that's what the facts say right now, only win was against the other team relegated.

5 points up in the 67th minute, no point blaming the insane league structures for this, what group of well coached players would lose out from there? Where are the players heads now going into the championship? We are going f**king nowhere at the minute even if we stayed up, Mayo are rolling again with another coming team even after losing some of the greatest players that ever wore the shirt for them.
Joyce has said it's all about the championship, he'll have benefit of the doubt until we see how Galway perform but the signs are very worrying to be honest.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on June 13, 2021, 06:58:40 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on June 13, 2021, 06:53:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2021, 06:47:38 PM
The split into 2×4 was arseways. Galway aren't the second worst team in D1. Neither are Monaghan.

It was the same in the hurling. The standard in Galway's pool was far higher than in the other one.

If the footballers are any good they will be ar ais arís next year.

Who are?

Has to be Armagh. Absolute garbage for past 15 years
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 13, 2021, 07:00:01 PM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on June 13, 2021, 06:58:40 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on June 13, 2021, 06:53:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2021, 06:47:38 PM
The split into 2×4 was arseways. Galway aren't the second worst team in D1. Neither are Monaghan.

It was the same in the hurling. The standard in Galway's pool was far higher than in the other one.

If the footballers are any good they will be ar ais arís next year.

Who are?

Has to be Armagh. Absolute garbage for past 15 years

::)
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: BennyCake on June 13, 2021, 07:03:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2021, 06:47:38 PM
The split into 2×4 was arseways. Galway aren't the second worst team in D1. Neither are Monaghan.

It's the same with the 7 game normal league campaign.

One team might just be unlucky enough to have to play 4 away games instead of 3, and a couple of tricky away games against similar standard teams and narrowly lose. Play them at home, and the game might swing the other way. Could be the difference in relegation and staying up.

I've  always thought the NFL was unbalanced. You should play the same teams home and away, even if that means a 4/5 team league.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on June 13, 2021, 07:42:50 PM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on June 13, 2021, 06:58:40 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on June 13, 2021, 06:53:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2021, 06:47:38 PM
The split into 2×4 was arseways. Galway aren't the second worst team in D1. Neither are Monaghan.

It was the same in the hurling. The standard in Galway's pool was far higher than in the other one.

If the footballers are any good they will be ar ais arís next year.

Good job the last 15 years don't count then

Who are?

Has to be Armagh. Absolute garbage for past 15 years
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on June 13, 2021, 07:48:26 PM
Remember Galway supporters looked down on Kevin Walsh style of ball.  Everyone PJ  would bring the sexiness back to Galway football and dining back at top table.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 13, 2021, 07:51:05 PM
Quote from: macker15 on June 13, 2021, 07:48:26 PM
Remember Galway supporters looked down on Kevin Walsh style of ball.  Everyone PJ  would bring the sexiness back to Galway football and dining back at top table.

I usually like Galway but they were horrible to watch today and didn't close out the game to boot. It seemed like they were too busy trying to ruffle feathers at the end rather than play.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: joemamas on June 13, 2021, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 06:57:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2021, 06:47:38 PM
The split into 2×4 was arseways. Galway aren't the second worst team in D1. Neither are Monaghan.

It was the same in the hurling. The standard in Galway's pool was far higher than in the other one.

If the footballers are any good they will be ar ais arís next year.
Galway clearly are because that's what the facts say right now, only win was against the other team relegated.

5 points up in the 67th minute, no point blaming the insane league structures for this, what group of well coached players would lose out from there? Where are the players heads now going into the championship? We are going f**king nowhere at the minute even if we stayed up, Mayo are rolling again with another coming team even after losing some of the greatest players that ever wore the shirt for them.
Joyce has said it's all about the championship, he'll have benefit of the doubt until we see how Galway perform but the signs are very worrying to be honest.

IMO GAlway lost it during the ten minute period 49th to 59th minute.
Monaghan were on their second black card and had to be tired after just ending a similar ten minute 14 man period about two minutes before.
During that time, Galway went from 2-9 to 0-11, to 2-11 to 0-13, they played keep ball which I thought was very poor tactically.
Having said that, Roscommon backs are poor, and if Galway meet Mayo, it will be the usual Connacht championship slugfest.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Cunny Funt on June 13, 2021, 08:04:33 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2021, 06:47:38 PM
The split into 2×4 was arseways. Galway aren't the second worst team in D1. Neither are Monaghan.

It was the same in the hurling. The standard in Galway's pool was far higher than in the other one.

If the footballers are any good they will be ar ais arís next year.
Galway are whether you want to believe it or not.  Good news for Galway is the gap from the 7th and 8th worse in Div 1 so that should mean another Connacht final for Galway and with the big scores Mayo are conceding i would expect another competitive final between the two.

Armagh v Roscommon was the prime opportunity to show where both really are and what it showed is Armagh are on upwards trajectory and have the potential to win a Ulster title sooner than latter, Roscommon have gone the opposite way and won't be winning any Connacht title after this relegation.

Monaghan are some warriors and their players and management celebrated at the full time whistle as if they had won another provincial title.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 08:11:01 PM
Pathetic stuff on two accounts, first of all Galway left so many easy scores behind them and then showed zero game management in the closing stages. Time and time again Galway waltzed in on the Monaghan goal, Tierney and Kelly had good goal opportunities in the first half as did Heaney who missed an open net in the 2nd half along with Finnerty hand passing ac0rss the goal to nobody. All Galway's scores were relatively routine whilst Monaghan mainly McCarron kicked some brilliant difficult scores. Finnerty missed a chance in both halves from about 25 metres out in front of the posts as did Walsh who must have dropped 4 or 5 shots into Beggan's hands and had his worst game in a long time.

As for the game management, the goal is a farce; The defender in question isn't good enough and we all know that, the way he got caught in possession in his own half in extra time another example of why he's not upto it. Time and time again Beggan managed to get his kick away despite Galway having a man extra for about 20 minutes of that second half. I can barely remember Galway making any sort of tactical foul to slow Monaghan up, happy to allow them waltz up the pitch for 80 metre without a hand laid on them. Tierney played well and caused Monaghan a lot of problems and Sweeney certainly made an impact and Paul Kelly seems to have that knack of been in the right place at the right time for a goal opportunity.





Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on June 13, 2021, 08:19:14 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 13, 2021, 08:04:33 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2021, 06:47:38 PM
The split into 2×4 was arseways. Galway aren't the second worst team in D1. Neither are Monaghan.

It was the same in the hurling. The standard in Galway's pool was far higher than in the other one.

If the footballers are any good they will be ar ais arís next year.
Galway are whether you want to believe it or not.  Good news for Galway is the gap from the 7th and 8th worse in Div 1 so that should mean another Connacht final for Galway and with the big scores Mayo are conceding i would expect another competitive final between the two.

Armagh v Roscommon was the prime opportunity to show where both really are and what it showed is Armagh are on upwards trajectory and have the potential to win a Ulster title sooner than latter, Roscommon have gone the opposite way and won't be winning any Connacht title after this relegation.

Monaghan are some warriors and their players and management celebrated at the full time whistle as if they had won another provincial title.
In the circumstances of a cliffhanger finish  after being certified dead, one can understand the turbo charged Monaghan celebrations.

As regards Gough, though I didn't get a good look at the two Monaghan black cards, Gough was close by to observe. And he was lenient with both those  players  later on in the game when they committed (imo) yellow card tackles.

What defines a tackle and a foul still eludes me, sometimes the slightest touch is a foul and two handed mauling  is let go, perhaps Gough played advantage on those occasions.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 08:44:31 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 08:11:01 PM
Pathetic stuff on two accounts, first of all Galway left so many easy scores behind them and then showed zero game management in the closing stages. Time and time again Galway waltzed in on the Monaghan goal, Tierney and Kelly had good goal opportunities in the first half as did Heaney who missed an open net in the 2nd half along with Finnerty hand passing ac0rss the goal to nobody. All Galway's scores were relatively routine whilst Monaghan mainly McCarron kicked some brilliant difficult scores. Finnerty missed a chance in both halves from about 25 metres out in front of the posts as did Walsh who must have dropped 4 or 5 shots into Beggan's hands and had his worst game in a long time.

As for the game management, the goal is a farce; The defender in question isn't good enough and we all know that, the way he got caught in possession in his own half in extra time another example of why he's not upto it. Time and time again Beggan managed to get his kick away despite Galway having a man extra for about 20 minutes of that second half. I can barely remember Galway making any sort of tactical foul to slow Monaghan up, happy to allow them waltz up the pitch for 80 metre without a hand laid on them. Tierney played well and caused Monaghan a lot of problems and Sweeney certainly made an impact and Paul Kelly seems to have that knack of been in the right place at the right time for a goal opportunity.
Tierney was good today and showed what he has in the locker, a shame his shot from 45 didn't go in. Even his low shot that Beggan saved in the first half was the correct thing to do he didn't just throw a leg at it, outstanding save down low from a top keeper.

In truth we've been in freefall since the resumption of matches last October, only 1 win in 7 matches tells the tale. I'm scratching my head at the sideline every game at this stage but even at that, a lot of players just didn't play well either. Galway don't have the squad to be without Comer and John Daly but there was enough out there to get a result today, no idea how Shane Walsh was shortlisted for MOTM by Burns, one of his worst games in a long time.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on June 13, 2021, 08:45:06 PM
Is keeping Armagh in div 1 today McGeeney's greatest achievement in all his years as an intercounty manager?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 13, 2021, 08:46:51 PM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on June 13, 2021, 08:45:06 PM
Is keeping Armagh in div 1 today McGeeney's greatest achievement in all his years as an intercounty manager?

Here we go - got a stick up your arse about Armagh today haven't you?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on June 13, 2021, 08:49:30 PM
It's a pity that Monaghan team didn't get to an all Ireland final and win it. They might have in another time with Dublin treated like any other county.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on June 13, 2021, 08:57:44 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 08:44:31 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 08:11:01 PM
Pathetic stuff on two accounts, first of all Galway left so many easy scores behind them and then showed zero game management in the closing stages. Time and time again Galway waltzed in on the Monaghan goal, Tierney and Kelly had good goal opportunities in the first half as did Heaney who missed an open net in the 2nd half along with Finnerty hand passing ac0rss the goal to nobody. All Galway's scores were relatively routine whilst Monaghan mainly McCarron kicked some brilliant difficult scores. Finnerty missed a chance in both halves from about 25 metres out in front of the posts as did Walsh who must have dropped 4 or 5 shots into Beggan's hands and had his worst game in a long time.

As for the game management, the goal is a farce; The defender in question isn't good enough and we all know that, the way he got caught in possession in his own half in extra time another example of why he's not upto it. Time and time again Beggan managed to get his kick away despite Galway having a man extra for about 20 minutes of that second half. I can barely remember Galway making any sort of tactical foul to slow Monaghan up, happy to allow them waltz up the pitch for 80 metre without a hand laid on them. Tierney played well and caused Monaghan a lot of problems and Sweeney certainly made an impact and Paul Kelly seems to have that knack of been in the right place at the right time for a goal opportunity.
Tierney was good today and showed what he has in the locker, a shame his shot from 45 didn't go in. Even his low shot that Beggan saved in the first half was the correct thing to do he didn't just throw a leg at it, outstanding save down low from a top keeper.

In truth we've been in freefall since the resumption of matches last October, only 1 win in 7 matches tells the tale. I'm scratching my head at the sideline every game at this stage but even at that, a lot of players just didn't play well either. Galway don't have the squad to be without Comer and John Daly but there was enough out there to get a result today, no idea how Shane Walsh was shortlisted for MOTM by Burns, one of his worst games in a long time.
It would have been a brilliant opportunist goal but Gough is probably delighted he missed. I thought he blew for a monaghan mark and then let the galway player wrestle the ball from him. Even if it was a free for galway then it was taken at least 10 yards from were it should have been. My Irish isn't good enough to know what the commentators thought.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on June 13, 2021, 08:59:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2021, 08:49:30 PM
It's a pity that Monaghan team didn't get to an all Ireland final and win it. They might have in another time with Dublin treated like any other county.
Not quite good enough even discounting Dublin. However, they are a great advert for what you can do with limited resoruces
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on June 13, 2021, 09:06:42 PM
We got what we deserved today for a flat, pedestrian brain dead performance.
The old problems of lack of midfield and a defence made up of attacking half backs who don't mark or tackle came home to roost again once we weren't playing on the front foot.
I don't think we need to worry about how many spectators will be allowed at the CF. :-\
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on June 13, 2021, 09:14:47 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on June 13, 2021, 08:46:51 PM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on June 13, 2021, 08:45:06 PM
Is keeping Armagh in div 1 today McGeeney's greatest achievement in all his years as an intercounty manager?

Here we go - got a stick up your arse about Armagh today haven't you?

Sorry to annoy ye but it's McGeeney's managerial career we're taking about. What else has he achieved that's bigger?
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 09:19:02 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 13, 2021, 08:57:44 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 08:44:31 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 08:11:01 PM
Pathetic stuff on two accounts, first of all Galway left so many easy scores behind them and then showed zero game management in the closing stages. Time and time again Galway waltzed in on the Monaghan goal, Tierney and Kelly had good goal opportunities in the first half as did Heaney who missed an open net in the 2nd half along with Finnerty hand passing ac0rss the goal to nobody. All Galway's scores were relatively routine whilst Monaghan mainly McCarron kicked some brilliant difficult scores. Finnerty missed a chance in both halves from about 25 metres out in front of the posts as did Walsh who must have dropped 4 or 5 shots into Beggan's hands and had his worst game in a long time.

As for the game management, the goal is a farce; The defender in question isn't good enough and we all know that, the way he got caught in possession in his own half in extra time another example of why he's not upto it. Time and time again Beggan managed to get his kick away despite Galway having a man extra for about 20 minutes of that second half. I can barely remember Galway making any sort of tactical foul to slow Monaghan up, happy to allow them waltz up the pitch for 80 metre without a hand laid on them. Tierney played well and caused Monaghan a lot of problems and Sweeney certainly made an impact and Paul Kelly seems to have that knack of been in the right place at the right time for a goal opportunity.
Tierney was good today and showed what he has in the locker, a shame his shot from 45 didn't go in. Even his low shot that Beggan saved in the first half was the correct thing to do he didn't just throw a leg at it, outstanding save down low from a top keeper.

In truth we've been in freefall since the resumption of matches last October, only 1 win in 7 matches tells the tale. I'm scratching my head at the sideline every game at this stage but even at that, a lot of players just didn't play well either. Galway don't have the squad to be without Comer and John Daly but there was enough out there to get a result today, no idea how Shane Walsh was shortlisted for MOTM by Burns, one of his worst games in a long time.
It would have been a brilliant opportunist goal but Gough is probably delighted he missed. I thought he blew for a monaghan mark and then let the galway player wrestle the ball from him. Even if it was a free for galway then it was taken at least 10 yards from were it should have been. My Irish isn't good enough to know what the commentators thought.

I'm under the impression the referee blows the whistle anytime the mark is available and its up to the player to claim it by putting his hand up which he didn't do in this case.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on June 13, 2021, 09:23:35 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 09:19:02 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 13, 2021, 08:57:44 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 08:44:31 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 08:11:01 PM
Pathetic stuff on two accounts, first of all Galway left so many easy scores behind them and then showed zero game management in the closing stages. Time and time again Galway waltzed in on the Monaghan goal, Tierney and Kelly had good goal opportunities in the first half as did Heaney who missed an open net in the 2nd half along with Finnerty hand passing ac0rss the goal to nobody. All Galway's scores were relatively routine whilst Monaghan mainly McCarron kicked some brilliant difficult scores. Finnerty missed a chance in both halves from about 25 metres out in front of the posts as did Walsh who must have dropped 4 or 5 shots into Beggan's hands and had his worst game in a long time.

As for the game management, the goal is a farce; The defender in question isn't good enough and we all know that, the way he got caught in possession in his own half in extra time another example of why he's not upto it. Time and time again Beggan managed to get his kick away despite Galway having a man extra for about 20 minutes of that second half. I can barely remember Galway making any sort of tactical foul to slow Monaghan up, happy to allow them waltz up the pitch for 80 metre without a hand laid on them. Tierney played well and caused Monaghan a lot of problems and Sweeney certainly made an impact and Paul Kelly seems to have that knack of been in the right place at the right time for a goal opportunity.
Tierney was good today and showed what he has in the locker, a shame his shot from 45 didn't go in. Even his low shot that Beggan saved in the first half was the correct thing to do he didn't just throw a leg at it, outstanding save down low from a top keeper.

In truth we've been in freefall since the resumption of matches last October, only 1 win in 7 matches tells the tale. I'm scratching my head at the sideline every game at this stage but even at that, a lot of players just didn't play well either. Galway don't have the squad to be without Comer and John Daly but there was enough out there to get a result today, no idea how Shane Walsh was shortlisted for MOTM by Burns, one of his worst games in a long time.
It would have been a brilliant opportunist goal but Gough is probably delighted he missed. I thought he blew for a monaghan mark and then let the galway player wrestle the ball from him. Even if it was a free for galway then it was taken at least 10 yards from were it should have been. My Irish isn't good enough to know what the commentators thought.

I'm under the impression the referee blows the whistle anytime the mark is available and its up to the player to claim it by putting his hand up which he didn't do in this case.
That's exactly what happened. The Galway player was tuned in.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on June 13, 2021, 09:25:41 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 09:19:02 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 13, 2021, 08:57:44 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 08:44:31 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 08:11:01 PM
Pathetic stuff on two accounts, first of all Galway left so many easy scores behind them and then showed zero game management in the closing stages. Time and time again Galway waltzed in on the Monaghan goal, Tierney and Kelly had good goal opportunities in the first half as did Heaney who missed an open net in the 2nd half along with Finnerty hand passing ac0rss the goal to nobody. All Galway's scores were relatively routine whilst Monaghan mainly McCarron kicked some brilliant difficult scores. Finnerty missed a chance in both halves from about 25 metres out in front of the posts as did Walsh who must have dropped 4 or 5 shots into Beggan's hands and had his worst game in a long time.

As for the game management, the goal is a farce; The defender in question isn't good enough and we all know that, the way he got caught in possession in his own half in extra time another example of why he's not upto it. Time and time again Beggan managed to get his kick away despite Galway having a man extra for about 20 minutes of that second half. I can barely remember Galway making any sort of tactical foul to slow Monaghan up, happy to allow them waltz up the pitch for 80 metre without a hand laid on them. Tierney played well and caused Monaghan a lot of problems and Sweeney certainly made an impact and Paul Kelly seems to have that knack of been in the right place at the right time for a goal opportunity.
Tierney was good today and showed what he has in the locker, a shame his shot from 45 didn't go in. Even his low shot that Beggan saved in the first half was the correct thing to do he didn't just throw a leg at it, outstanding save down low from a top keeper.

In truth we've been in freefall since the resumption of matches last October, only 1 win in 7 matches tells the tale. I'm scratching my head at the sideline every game at this stage but even at that, a lot of players just didn't play well either. Galway don't have the squad to be without Comer and John Daly but there was enough out there to get a result today, no idea how Shane Walsh was shortlisted for MOTM by Burns, one of his worst games in a long time.
It would have been a brilliant opportunist goal but Gough is probably delighted he missed. I thought he blew for a monaghan mark and then let the galway player wrestle the ball from him. Even if it was a free for galway then it was taken at least 10 yards from were it should have been. My Irish isn't good enough to know what the commentators thought.

I'm under the impression the referee blows the whistle anytime the mark is available and its up to the player to claim it by putting his hand up which he didn't do in this case.
That's certainly the case in club games that I've been involved in anyway.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: straightred on June 13, 2021, 09:27:14 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 13, 2021, 09:23:35 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 09:19:02 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 13, 2021, 08:57:44 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 08:44:31 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 08:11:01 PM
Pathetic stuff on two accounts, first of all Galway left so many easy scores behind them and then showed zero game management in the closing stages. Time and time again Galway waltzed in on the Monaghan goal, Tierney and Kelly had good goal opportunities in the first half as did Heaney who missed an open net in the 2nd half along with Finnerty hand passing ac0rss the goal to nobody. All Galway's scores were relatively routine whilst Monaghan mainly McCarron kicked some brilliant difficult scores. Finnerty missed a chance in both halves from about 25 metres out in front of the posts as did Walsh who must have dropped 4 or 5 shots into Beggan's hands and had his worst game in a long time.

As for the game management, the goal is a farce; The defender in question isn't good enough and we all know that, the way he got caught in possession in his own half in extra time another example of why he's not upto it. Time and time again Beggan managed to get his kick away despite Galway having a man extra for about 20 minutes of that second half. I can barely remember Galway making any sort of tactical foul to slow Monaghan up, happy to allow them waltz up the pitch for 80 metre without a hand laid on them. Tierney played well and caused Monaghan a lot of problems and Sweeney certainly made an impact and Paul Kelly seems to have that knack of been in the right place at the right time for a goal opportunity.
Tierney was good today and showed what he has in the locker, a shame his shot from 45 didn't go in. Even his low shot that Beggan saved in the first half was the correct thing to do he didn't just throw a leg at it, outstanding save down low from a top keeper.

In truth we've been in freefall since the resumption of matches last October, only 1 win in 7 matches tells the tale. I'm scratching my head at the sideline every game at this stage but even at that, a lot of players just didn't play well either. Galway don't have the squad to be without Comer and John Daly but there was enough out there to get a result today, no idea how Shane Walsh was shortlisted for MOTM by Burns, one of his worst games in a long time.
It would have been a brilliant opportunist goal but Gough is probably delighted he missed. I thought he blew for a monaghan mark and then let the galway player wrestle the ball from him. Even if it was a free for galway then it was taken at least 10 yards from were it should have been. My Irish isn't good enough to know what the commentators thought.

I'm under the impression the referee blows the whistle anytime the mark is available and its up to the player to claim it by putting his hand up which he didn't do in this case.
That's exactly what happened. The Galway player was tuned in.
OK . that makes sense
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on June 13, 2021, 09:28:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2021, 08:49:30 PM
It's a pity that Monaghan team didn't get to an all Ireland final and win it. They might have in another time with Dublin treated like any other county.

Monaghan could never beat Tyrone on Croke Park let alone Dublin, mayo or kerry
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 08:44:31 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 08:11:01 PM
Pathetic stuff on two accounts, first of all Galway left so many easy scores behind them and then showed zero game management in the closing stages. Time and time again Galway waltzed in on the Monaghan goal, Tierney and Kelly had good goal opportunities in the first half as did Heaney who missed an open net in the 2nd half along with Finnerty hand passing ac0rss the goal to nobody. All Galway's scores were relatively routine whilst Monaghan mainly McCarron kicked some brilliant difficult scores. Finnerty missed a chance in both halves from about 25 metres out in front of the posts as did Walsh who must have dropped 4 or 5 shots into Beggan's hands and had his worst game in a long time.

As for the game management, the goal is a farce; The defender in question isn't good enough and we all know that, the way he got caught in possession in his own half in extra time another example of why he's not upto it. Time and time again Beggan managed to get his kick away despite Galway having a man extra for about 20 minutes of that second half. I can barely remember Galway making any sort of tactical foul to slow Monaghan up, happy to allow them waltz up the pitch for 80 metre without a hand laid on them. Tierney played well and caused Monaghan a lot of problems and Sweeney certainly made an impact and Paul Kelly seems to have that knack of been in the right place at the right time for a goal opportunity.
Tierney was good today and showed what he has in the locker, a shame his shot from 45 didn't go in. Even his low shot that Beggan saved in the first half was the correct thing to do he didn't just throw a leg at it, outstanding save down low from a top keeper.

In truth we've been in freefall since the resumption of matches last October, only 1 win in 7 matches tells the tale. I'm scratching my head at the sideline every game at this stage but even at that, a lot of players just didn't play well either. Galway don't have the squad to be without Comer and John Daly but there was enough out there to get a result today, no idea how Shane Walsh was shortlisted for MOTM by Burns, one of his worst games in a long time.

Collectively Galway did more than enough to win that match but looking at individual performances there's not too many who stood out, Molloy was the only one of the halfbacks to make any impression going forward; Seen a lot of Silke since his debut in 2015 and he's not stood out at this level whilst McHugh seems a nice player but if we're serious about challenging then he shouldn't be in the team. Sean Kelly as usual caused the opposition problems with his running and time and time again but haven't seen anything from Mulkerrins to suggest he's comfortable at this level, I think he's protected by the defensive system. He was an outstanding minor but looks far too one paced for me and doesn't offer when in possession.

Lets see what the championship brings although I've very little optimism.


Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on June 13, 2021, 10:35:19 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 08:44:31 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 08:11:01 PM
Pathetic stuff on two accounts, first of all Galway left so many easy scores behind them and then showed zero game management in the closing stages. Time and time again Galway waltzed in on the Monaghan goal, Tierney and Kelly had good goal opportunities in the first half as did Heaney who missed an open net in the 2nd half along with Finnerty hand passing ac0rss the goal to nobody. All Galway's scores were relatively routine whilst Monaghan mainly McCarron kicked some brilliant difficult scores. Finnerty missed a chance in both halves from about 25 metres out in front of the posts as did Walsh who must have dropped 4 or 5 shots into Beggan's hands and had his worst game in a long time.

As for the game management, the goal is a farce; The defender in question isn't good enough and we all know that, the way he got caught in possession in his own half in extra time another example of why he's not upto it. Time and time again Beggan managed to get his kick away despite Galway having a man extra for about 20 minutes of that second half. I can barely remember Galway making any sort of tactical foul to slow Monaghan up, happy to allow them waltz up the pitch for 80 metre without a hand laid on them. Tierney played well and caused Monaghan a lot of problems and Sweeney certainly made an impact and Paul Kelly seems to have that knack of been in the right place at the right time for a goal opportunity.
Tierney was good today and showed what he has in the locker, a shame his shot from 45 didn't go in. Even his low shot that Beggan saved in the first half was the correct thing to do he didn't just throw a leg at it, outstanding save down low from a top keeper.

In truth we've been in freefall since the resumption of matches last October, only 1 win in 7 matches tells the tale. I'm scratching my head at the sideline every game at this stage but even at that, a lot of players just didn't play well either. Galway don't have the squad to be without Comer and John Daly but there was enough out there to get a result today, no idea how Shane Walsh was shortlisted for MOTM by Burns, one of his worst games in a long time.

Collectively Galway did more than enough to win that match but looking at individual performances there's not too many who stood out, Molloy was the only one of the halfbacks to make any impression going forward; Seen a lot of Silke since his debut in 2015 and he's not stood out at this level whilst McHugh seems a nice player but if we're serious about challenging then he shouldn't be in the team. Sean Kelly as usual caused the opposition problems with his running and time and time again but haven't seen anything from Mulkerrins to suggest he's comfortable at this level, I think he's protected by the defensive system. He was an outstanding minor but looks far too one paced for me and doesn't offer when in possession.

Lets see what the championship brings although I've very little optimism.
Can't disagree with any of that. Mulkerrins isn't a great man marking defender and offers little going forward. If our first sub in the half backs is Johnny Duane that's not a good sign.
Cathal Sweeney on the other hand is a very promising player.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: SouthDublinBro on June 13, 2021, 10:55:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2021, 08:49:30 PM
It's a pity that Monaghan team didn't get to an all Ireland final and win it. They might have in another time with Dublin treated like any other county.

::) Monaghan of the past 10 years were just a side set up to win Ulster. Not equipped to deal with anything beyond that stage.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 11:07:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
Lets see what the championship brings although I've very little optimism.

Same boat here, have to support whatever happens but really not seeing where some massive transformation will come from at the minute, the results don't lie.
PJ didn't speak to the media afterwards either, a really, really poor look, I know this is a backbreaking loss but have to front up and own it, you're the man in charge.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: JoG2 on June 13, 2021, 11:11:09 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 13, 2021, 10:55:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2021, 08:49:30 PM
It's a pity that Monaghan team didn't get to an all Ireland final and win it. They might have in another time with Dublin treated like any other county.

::) Monaghan of the past 10 years were just a side set up to win Ulster. Not equipped to deal with anything beyond that stage.

Are you StPatsAbu in disguise? Maybe Monaghan are short a few hectares in land mass as 60k population won't cut the mustard
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Tubberman on June 13, 2021, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 11:07:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
Lets see what the championship brings although I've very little optimism.

Same boat here, have to support whatever happens but really not seeing where some massive transformation will come from at the minute, the results don't lie.
PJ didn't speak to the media afterwards either, a really, really poor look, I know this is a backbreaking loss but have to front up and own it, you're the man in charge.


He looked absolutely crushed at final whistle which is understandable,  but as you said, he's the manager and it's his job to come out and represent his team and defend them.
Having said that, i think ye might be a bit hard on him/the team.  They should have won that match, and i still think they may well win Connacht. They lost their nerve in final minutes of last year's connacht final and again today which must be a worry but they did a lot right up to then.
They wouldnt have a hope against Dublin in a semi final but sure there's very few, if any, that would.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on June 14, 2021, 01:19:12 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2021, 06:47:38 PM
The split into 2×4 was arseways. Galway aren't the second worst team in D1. Neither are Monaghan.

It was the same in the hurling. The standard in Galway's pool was far higher than in the other one.

If the footballers are any good they will be ar ais arís next year.
Who is worse than them? Because Armagh beat Monaghan in the league and beat them well in our last championship meeting and would probably be favourites vs Galway. Agree thought the split league is a disgrace.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 14, 2021, 01:23:14 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 14, 2021, 01:19:12 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2021, 06:47:38 PM
The split into 2×4 was arseways. Galway aren't the second worst team in D1. Neither are Monaghan.

It was the same in the hurling. The standard in Galway's pool was far higher than in the other one.

If the footballers are any good they will be ar ais arís next year.
Who is worse than them? Because Armagh beat Monaghan in the league and beat them well in our last championship meeting and would probably be favourites vs Galway. Agree thought the split league is a disgrace.

Weirdly enough Armagh are the only team to have beat Monaghan this year
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: balladmaker on June 14, 2021, 01:49:24 AM
Most improved team over last 12 months is Armagh ... well worth Div 1 retention.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: APM on June 14, 2021, 09:16:49 AM
Quote from: Solo_run on June 14, 2021, 01:23:14 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 14, 2021, 01:19:12 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2021, 06:47:38 PM
The split into 2×4 was arseways. Galway aren't the second worst team in D1. Neither are Monaghan.

It was the same in the hurling. The standard in Galway's pool was far higher than in the other one.

If the footballers are any good they will be ar ais arís next year.
Who is worse than them? Because Armagh beat Monaghan in the league and beat them well in our last championship meeting and would probably be favourites vs Galway. Agree thought the split league is a disgrace.

Weirdly enough Armagh are the only team to have beat Monaghan this year

Agree with that.  Roscommon definitely deserved to go down on the basis of having lost every game.
If Galway aren't the second worst team in Division 1, and it's not Monaghan, who is?

Galway should have no excuses.  Should have beaten Monaghan yesterday in normal time.   
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on June 14, 2021, 09:23:44 AM
Galway went down and on the results we deserved to go down, there's absolutely no basis for saying we weren't the 2nd worst team in Division one this year, it just doesn't stack up looking at the performances and results. The last thing we need is more wishful thinking because we are seeing way too much of that from the sideline at the minute, you can't magic your way to success.
Pointless blaming the structures (although they were mental) as an excuse, fact is we are a Division Two team again.

Only thing that Galway needed to do in this strange league setup was to avoid relegation, that did not happen.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: blanketattack on June 14, 2021, 09:48:04 AM
I don't agree with the decision to have joint winners - it should be like the Ryder Cup, if it's a draw the current holders should retain it.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: the goal was on on June 14, 2021, 10:34:36 AM
Whats the crack with the suspended Banty being on field with players and in huddle after game. The man is a law to himself!!
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: lurganblue on June 14, 2021, 11:20:22 AM
I had a little bit of trepidation going into this league as an Armagh fan but excited to see how we would stack up.  You'll not find many fans that aren't happy with the progress the team is making.  A few injury problems and yet the lads who have came in have stood up well.

First 15 mins of the Roscommon game and things were looking ominous.  Fairly closed up shop from the water break onwards.  Would be nice to have a decent rattle at Ulster now.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 14, 2021, 11:24:37 AM
Was a strange league campaign given the condensed nature of it. I believe if it had have been over the 7 game format we would have survived comfortably ahead of Roscommon, Galway and Monaghan, on par with Tyrone and Donegal, Kerry and Dublin clear.
Yesterday was a solid performance against a team I have an irrational dislike for. Really don't like Roscommon. They have an arrogance than is unearned. Anthony Cunningham the manager being the prime example of it so to win yesterday was a bit sweeter.

On the game itself as has been said the first 15 minutes was poor. McStay made a huge issue about the water break, and I would have to agree with him to a point. There was a significant switch of dynamic after the 1st break. The Roscommon momentum was stopped and we got on a run. Rian settled into his game after snatching at a few balls and Jemser Hall started finding space. A few of the points round the goals were well worked with good runs and fast hands. I wonder what influence Donaghy has had on that as fast hands were his trade mark and a clear cross over from basketball.

At this stage we were winning midfield and breaking their attacks down comfortably enough. Swarm defence was working well and they never looked likely to breach us. The base of this was coming though from a dominance round the middle with Grimley, the O Neill's interchanging from FF and MF and a lot of loose ball being picked up by Hall, Forker, McCabe and McCay. Roscommon made a substitute and he brought them back into it but they never really threatened our goal.

Second half we pushed on and they never really looked up for it at all. Management used our substitutes well, Burns and Turbitt put in good second half shifts, Hall looked gassed when he came off so wasn't a bad change. The whole team 'managed' the second half well and Roscommon never got into it. They needed a goal but never looked close to it. We finished it out well and we're very comfortable and the winning margin was not undeserving.

overall the team did well, kick outs steady, defensive shape was strong, midfield dominant and forwards took some excellent scores, Rian, Oisín and Soupy had some excellent scores. On Soupy a bit of a curates egg I felt. Worked his absolute socks off, covered so much ground, but sometimes his decision making was lacking. Against the next level teams that is exposed. And that takes me on to my inevitable caveat point, the one issue I would have was that sometimes with our defensive system and breaking in transition our final pass, final decision was off. This was not exposed yesterday but will be against faster, stronger opposition, which it was against Donegal. We played well but the opposition has to be factored in and I didn't see any of the required aggression from Roscommon that will inevitably be the case in championship.

With championship in mind we should not underestimate Antrim. They have basically a free hit against us but they are playing good football and will be hard to beat. They have a run of confidence. The confidence of promotion as against the confidence of avoiding relegation? Hard to tell which is most important. We have the quality to win but like everything it's 1 game at a time. It is an old cliche but it is true!
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 14, 2021, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 13, 2021, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 11:07:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
Lets see what the championship brings although I've very little optimism.

Same boat here, have to support whatever happens but really not seeing where some massive transformation will come from at the minute, the results don't lie.
PJ didn't speak to the media afterwards either, a really, really poor look, I know this is a backbreaking loss but have to front up and own it, you're the man in charge.


He looked absolutely crushed at final whistle which is understandable,  but as you said, he's the manager and it's his job to come out and represent his team and defend them.
Having said that, i think ye might be a bit hard on him/the team.  They should have won that match, and i still think they may well win Connacht. They lost their nerve in final minutes of last year's connacht final and again today which must be a worry but they did a lot right up to then.
They wouldnt have a hope against Dublin in a semi final but sure there's very few, if any, that would.

I don't expect to win Connacht but its not going to be a major shock if Galway did. If they can get beat Roscommon everyone knows that Mayo struggle to break down a packed defence which I'm sure is what Galway will provide.

If we're been realistic looking at the Galway and Mayo teams individually Mayo look like their only a few players away from challenging for the big prize and they may find them this summer whilst Galway are probably 7 or 8 players away, now like Mayo they may find a couple of players may nail down a place over the next few months but that gap to the Dubs shouldn't be that big with the underage success Galway have had.

Now clearly that isn't just Joyce's fault but there are a good few players who aren't the panel who like Varley & Kerin who would be in my starting 15. Kerin was a bit rash in his last appearance for Galway against Mayo a few years ago but prior to that he'd never let Galway down and put in some excellent performances.

Galway have had some really tough defeats to deal with in the last 9 months and ultimately the manager is too blame, game management was non existent throughout the match.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on June 14, 2021, 11:38:24 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 14, 2021, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 13, 2021, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 11:07:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
Lets see what the championship brings although I've very little optimism.

Same boat here, have to support whatever happens but really not seeing where some massive transformation will come from at the minute, the results don't lie.
PJ didn't speak to the media afterwards either, a really, really poor look, I know this is a backbreaking loss but have to front up and own it, you're the man in charge.


He looked absolutely crushed at final whistle which is understandable,  but as you said, he's the manager and it's his job to come out and represent his team and defend them.
Having said that, i think ye might be a bit hard on him/the team.  They should have won that match, and i still think they may well win Connacht. They lost their nerve in final minutes of last year's connacht final and again today which must be a worry but they did a lot right up to then.
They wouldnt have a hope against Dublin in a semi final but sure there's very few, if any, that would.

I don't expect to win Connacht but its not going to be a major shock if Galway did. If they can get beat Roscommon everyone knows that Mayo struggle to break down a packed defence which I'm sure is what Galway will provide.

If we're been realistic looking at the Galway and Mayo teams individually Mayo look like their only a few players away from challenging for the big prize and they may find them this summer whilst Galway are probably 7 or 8 players away, now like Mayo they may find a couple of players may nail down a place over the next few months but that gap to the Dubs shouldn't be that big with the underage success Galway have had.

Now clearly that isn't just Joyce's fault but there are a good few players who aren't the panel who like Varley & Kerin who would be in my starting 15. Kerin was a bit rash in his last appearance for Galway against Mayo a few years ago but prior to that he'd never let Galway down and put in some excellent performances.

Galway have had some really tough defeats to deal with in the last 9 months and ultimately the manager is too blame, game management was non existent throughout the match.
We have some talented players and there will be more hopefully to come on stream like Hernon and McLoughlin in the next few seasons.
But we also have some passengers and that is holding the team back - imo anyway.
Some of the guys we were bringing in off the bench were weakening the team considerably.
Daly and Flynn are badly needed back at this stage. Is Ronan Steede still out injured?
Also, I thought at the time it was sheer madness to replace Shane Walsh with Matthias Barrett near the end of normal time. Now Shane wasn't having one of his better games but why would you take off your best player? We were 5 points up. He was coming deep to pick up ball and carrying it into the heart of the Monaghan defence. If we got the ball to him he would at least take some pressure off us and chew up some time on the clock. He may well have manufactured a free or produced a bit of magic for us. It was madness. The sideline has to take responsibility for that. Johnny and Matthias were found out at this level yet again and that cost us badly.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 14, 2021, 11:51:53 AM
Quote from: galwayman on June 14, 2021, 11:38:24 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 14, 2021, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 13, 2021, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 11:07:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
Lets see what the championship brings although I've very little optimism.

Same boat here, have to support whatever happens but really not seeing where some massive transformation will come from at the minute, the results don't lie.
PJ didn't speak to the media afterwards either, a really, really poor look, I know this is a backbreaking loss but have to front up and own it, you're the man in charge.


He looked absolutely crushed at final whistle which is understandable,  but as you said, he's the manager and it's his job to come out and represent his team and defend them.
Having said that, i think ye might be a bit hard on him/the team.  They should have won that match, and i still think they may well win Connacht. They lost their nerve in final minutes of last year's connacht final and again today which must be a worry but they did a lot right up to then.
They wouldnt have a hope against Dublin in a semi final but sure there's very few, if any, that would.

I don't expect to win Connacht but its not going to be a major shock if Galway did. If they can get beat Roscommon everyone knows that Mayo struggle to break down a packed defence which I'm sure is what Galway will provide.

If we're been realistic looking at the Galway and Mayo teams individually Mayo look like their only a few players away from challenging for the big prize and they may find them this summer whilst Galway are probably 7 or 8 players away, now like Mayo they may find a couple of players may nail down a place over the next few months but that gap to the Dubs shouldn't be that big with the underage success Galway have had.

Now clearly that isn't just Joyce's fault but there are a good few players who aren't the panel who like Varley & Kerin who would be in my starting 15. Kerin was a bit rash in his last appearance for Galway against Mayo a few years ago but prior to that he'd never let Galway down and put in some excellent performances.

Galway have had some really tough defeats to deal with in the last 9 months and ultimately the manager is too blame, game management was non existent throughout the match.
We have some talented players and there will be more hopefully to come on stream like Hernon and McLoughlin in a few years.
But we also have some passengers and that is holding the team back - imo anyway.

A good few passengers, Shane Walsh was poor by his standards but there's no doubt the criticism of him will be over the top. He's Galway's best player but is spending far too much time in his own half and is possibly one of the reasons why he missed some of those chances yesterday. His free taking has massively improved, he's nailing all the one he should do and he's only missing the speculative ones. Galway once again don't have the right balance between defence and attack and are not getting the best out of Walsh.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Solo_run on June 14, 2021, 12:32:44 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on June 14, 2021, 11:20:22 AM
I had a little bit of trepidation going into this league as an Armagh fan but excited to see how we would stack up.  You'll not find many fans that aren't happy with the progress the team is making.  A few injury problems and yet the lads who have came in have stood up well.

First 15 mins of the Roscommon game and things were looking ominous.  Fairly closed up shop from the water break onwards.  Would be nice to have a decent rattle at Ulster now.

Genuinely thought we would go down in flames after the game against Donegal in Ulster last year.

We were shocking in the first 15 minutes. A few wides, dispossessed or lost possession easily and playing against an up for it Roscommon team.
After the water break O'Neill took the ball and put the ball over the bar and that for me was a significant turning point as we then put another two points up in quick succession and we started to click and players changed their starting roles slightly - especially Grugan.

Armagh are way off defensively and it is by far our weak point now - hence the blanket defence. If we were able to sort the defence out we would have a very well balanced team that would be very capable.




Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 14, 2021, 02:21:16 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 14, 2021, 11:24:37 AM
Was a strange league campaign given the condensed nature of it. I believe if it had have been over the 7 game format we would have survived comfortably ahead of Roscommon, Galway and Monaghan, on par with Tyrone and Donegal, Kerry and Dublin clear.
Yesterday was a solid performance against a team I have an irrational dislike for. Really don't like Roscommon. They have an arrogance than is unearned. Anthony Cunningham the manager being the prime example of it so to win yesterday was a bit sweeter.

On the game itself as has been said the first 15 minutes was poor. McStay made a huge issue about the water break, and I would have to agree with him to a point. There was a significant switch of dynamic after the 1st break. The Roscommon momentum was stopped and we got on a run. Rian settled into his game after snatching at a few balls and Jemser Hall started finding space. A few of the points round the goals were well worked with good runs and fast hands. I wonder what influence Donaghy has had on that as fast hands were his trade mark and a clear cross over from basketball.

At this stage we were winning midfield and breaking their attacks down comfortably enough. Swarm defence was working well and they never looked likely to breach us. The base of this was coming though from a dominance round the middle with Grimley, the O Neill's interchanging from FF and MF and a lot of loose ball being picked up by Hall, Forker, McCabe and McCay. Roscommon made a substitute and he brought them back into it but they never really threatened our goal.

Second half we pushed on and they never really looked up for it at all. Management used our substitutes well, Burns and Turbitt put in good second half shifts, Hall looked gassed when he came off so wasn't a bad change. The whole team 'managed' the second half well and Roscommon never got into it. They needed a goal but never looked close to it. We finished it out well and we're very comfortable and the winning margin was not undeserving.

overall the team did well, kick outs steady, defensive shape was strong, midfield dominant and forwards took some excellent scores, Rian, Oisín and Soupy had some excellent scores. On Soupy a bit of a curates egg I felt. Worked his absolute socks off, covered so much ground, but sometimes his decision making was lacking. Against the next level teams that is exposed. And that takes me on to my inevitable caveat point, the one issue I would have was that sometimes with our defensive system and breaking in transition our final pass, final decision was off. This was not exposed yesterday but will be against faster, stronger opposition, which it was against Donegal. We played well but the opposition has to be factored in and I didn't see any of the required aggression from Roscommon that will inevitably be the case in championship.

With championship in mind we should not underestimate Antrim. They have basically a free hit against us but they are playing good football and will be hard to beat. They have a run of confidence. The confidence of promotion as against the confidence of avoiding relegation? Hard to tell which is most important. We have the quality to win but like everything it's 1 game at a time. It is an old cliche but it is true!
you dislike Roscommon because they have beaten armagh on a good few occasions recently and actually have won a few provincial titles in the past few years?
anyway, Roscommon seem to be disimproving since the first season Cunningham was in charge
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on June 14, 2021, 03:11:40 PM
What happened with young O'Neill and Conor Cox at the end of game? Cox refused to shake hands.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: naka on June 14, 2021, 04:22:10 PM
bf armagh were excellent yesterday but i was surprised at roscommon allowing them to collect a short kickouts.
first 15 minutes i thought Armagh were in trouble but the water break came at the right time and they started to get to grips with Roscommon.
was pleasantly surprised at murnin returning, i really enjoy watching him as a footballer and his catch just after half time was fantatstic
defence is still a work in progress but the attack is starting to look the part, i enjoyed the deep running to penetrate the blanket defence( having been in fermanagh a few years ago (and watching us play like headless chickens( it was a joy to see confidence in shooting from distance as well as quick passing.
all in all a good year so far for Armagh
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: fearsiuil on June 14, 2021, 09:07:10 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 14, 2021, 11:38:24 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 14, 2021, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 13, 2021, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 11:07:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
Lets see what the championship brings although I've very little optimism.

Same boat here, have to support whatever happens but really not seeing where some massive transformation will come from at the minute, the results don't lie.
PJ didn't speak to the media afterwards either, a really, really poor look, I know this is a backbreaking loss but have to front up and own it, you're the man in charge.


He looked absolutely crushed at final whistle which is understandable,  but as you said, he's the manager and it's his job to come out and represent his team and defend them.
Having said that, i think ye might be a bit hard on him/the team.  They should have won that match, and i still think they may well win Connacht. They lost their nerve in final minutes of last year's connacht final and again today which must be a worry but they did a lot right up to then.
They wouldnt have a hope against Dublin in a semi final but sure there's very few, if any, that would.

I don't expect to win Connacht but its not going to be a major shock if Galway did. If they can get beat Roscommon everyone knows that Mayo struggle to break down a packed defence which I'm sure is what Galway will provide.

If we're been realistic looking at the Galway and Mayo teams individually Mayo look like their only a few players away from challenging for the big prize and they may find them this summer whilst Galway are probably 7 or 8 players away, now like Mayo they may find a couple of players may nail down a place over the next few months but that gap to the Dubs shouldn't be that big with the underage success Galway have had.

Now clearly that isn't just Joyce's fault but there are a good few players who aren't the panel who like Varley & Kerin who would be in my starting 15. Kerin was a bit rash in his last appearance for Galway against Mayo a few years ago but prior to that he'd never let Galway down and put in some excellent performances.

Galway have had some really tough defeats to deal with in the last 9 months and ultimately the manager is too blame, game management was non existent throughout the match.
We have some talented players and there will be more hopefully to come on stream like Hernon and McLoughlin in the next few seasons.
But we also have some passengers and that is holding the team back - imo anyway.
Some of the guys we were bringing in off the bench were weakening the team considerably.
Daly and Flynn are badly needed back at this stage. Is Ronan Steede still out injured?
Also, I thought at the time it was sheer madness to replace Shane Walsh with Matthias Barrett near the end of normal time. Now Shane wasn't having one of his better games but why would you take off your best player? We were 5 points up. He was coming deep to pick up ball and carrying it into the heart of the Monaghan defence. If we got the ball to him he would at least take some pressure off us and chew up some time on the clock. He may well have manufactured a free or produced a bit of magic for us. It was madness. The sideline has to take responsibility for that. Johnny and Matthias were found out at this level yet again and that cost us badly.
Radio commentary were mentioning Shane Walsh looked injured.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on June 14, 2021, 09:26:02 PM
Quote from: fearsiuil on June 14, 2021, 09:07:10 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 14, 2021, 11:38:24 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 14, 2021, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 13, 2021, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 11:07:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
Lets see what the championship brings although I've very little optimism.

Same boat here, have to support whatever happens but really not seeing where some massive transformation will come from at the minute, the results don't lie.
PJ didn't speak to the media afterwards either, a really, really poor look, I know this is a backbreaking loss but have to front up and own it, you're the man in charge.


He looked absolutely crushed at final whistle which is understandable,  but as you said, he's the manager and it's his job to come out and represent his team and defend them.
Having said that, i think ye might be a bit hard on him/the team.  They should have won that match, and i still think they may well win Connacht. They lost their nerve in final minutes of last year's connacht final and again today which must be a worry but they did a lot right up to then.
They wouldnt have a hope against Dublin in a semi final but sure there's very few, if any, that would.

I don't expect to win Connacht but its not going to be a major shock if Galway did. If they can get beat Roscommon everyone knows that Mayo struggle to break down a packed defence which I'm sure is what Galway will provide.

If we're been realistic looking at the Galway and Mayo teams individually Mayo look like their only a few players away from challenging for the big prize and they may find them this summer whilst Galway are probably 7 or 8 players away, now like Mayo they may find a couple of players may nail down a place over the next few months but that gap to the Dubs shouldn't be that big with the underage success Galway have had.

Now clearly that isn't just Joyce's fault but there are a good few players who aren't the panel who like Varley & Kerin who would be in my starting 15. Kerin was a bit rash in his last appearance for Galway against Mayo a few years ago but prior to that he'd never let Galway down and put in some excellent performances.

Galway have had some really tough defeats to deal with in the last 9 months and ultimately the manager is too blame, game management was non existent throughout the match.
We have some talented players and there will be more hopefully to come on stream like Hernon and McLoughlin in the next few seasons.
But we also have some passengers and that is holding the team back - imo anyway.
Some of the guys we were bringing in off the bench were weakening the team considerably.
Daly and Flynn are badly needed back at this stage. Is Ronan Steede still out injured?
Also, I thought at the time it was sheer madness to replace Shane Walsh with Matthias Barrett near the end of normal time. Now Shane wasn't having one of his better games but why would you take off your best player? We were 5 points up. He was coming deep to pick up ball and carrying it into the heart of the Monaghan defence. If we got the ball to him he would at least take some pressure off us and chew up some time on the clock. He may well have manufactured a free or produced a bit of magic for us. It was madness. The sideline has to take responsibility for that. Johnny and Matthias were found out at this level yet again and that cost us badly.
Radio commentary were mentioning Shane Walsh looked injured.
Sure he came straight back on again for extra time.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: mouview on June 14, 2021, 11:32:08 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 14, 2021, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 13, 2021, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 11:07:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
Lets see what the championship brings although I've very little optimism.

Same boat here, have to support whatever happens but really not seeing where some massive transformation will come from at the minute, the results don't lie.
PJ didn't speak to the media afterwards either, a really, really poor look, I know this is a backbreaking loss but have to front up and own it, you're the man in charge.


He looked absolutely crushed at final whistle which is understandable,  but as you said, he's the manager and it's his job to come out and represent his team and defend them.
Having said that, i think ye might be a bit hard on him/the team.  They should have won that match, and i still think they may well win Connacht. They lost their nerve in final minutes of last year's connacht final and again today which must be a worry but they did a lot right up to then.
They wouldnt have a hope against Dublin in a semi final but sure there's very few, if any, that would.

I don't expect to win Connacht but its not going to be a major shock if Galway did. If they can get beat Roscommon everyone knows that Mayo struggle to break down a packed defence which I'm sure is what Galway will provide.

If we're been realistic looking at the Galway and Mayo teams individually Mayo look like their only a few players away from challenging for the big prize and they may find them this summer whilst Galway are probably 7 or 8 players away, now like Mayo they may find a couple of players may nail down a place over the next few months but that gap to the Dubs shouldn't be that big with the underage success Galway have had.

Now clearly that isn't just Joyce's fault but there are a good few players who aren't the panel who like Varley & Kerin who would be in my starting 15. Kerin was a bit rash in his last appearance for Galway against Mayo a few years ago but prior to that he'd never let Galway down and put in some excellent performances.

Galway have had some really tough defeats to deal with in the last 9 months and ultimately the manager is too blame, game management was non existent throughout the match.


Jeez, if we're 7/8 players away from the big one, who are the other 7/8 players we have currently? Because I'm really struggling to see any at this time. Don't think we have any defender that would get on the Mayo or Dublin sides, any right midfielder either (though Tierney may finally fill a spot for us there), and no forward that would make a Kerry or Dublin team bar Walsh at his best. It almost beggars belief that we can't transition some good underage players through to adulthood/senior level but there just seems to be a disconnect there now. Structures must be lacking or something.

Our hurlers finally seem to be doing this properly. They have currently a very good U20 team arising out of several AI-winning Minor teams; they're already conditioned to play Senior but won't be rushed in until good and ready.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Main Street on June 15, 2021, 12:09:19 AM
Galway did well to hang on in there against Monaghan until virtually the last kick of the game. But hey we won't be flagellating ourselves up over our inability to kill the game off more effectively against such opposition.  Galway punched above their weight on sunday against Monaghan, fair dues to them.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on June 15, 2021, 08:13:29 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 14, 2021, 11:32:08 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 14, 2021, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 13, 2021, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 11:07:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
Lets see what the championship brings although I've very little optimism.

Same boat here, have to support whatever happens but really not seeing where some massive transformation will come from at the minute, the results don't lie.
PJ didn't speak to the media afterwards either, a really, really poor look, I know this is a backbreaking loss but have to front up and own it, you're the man in charge.


He looked absolutely crushed at final whistle which is understandable,  but as you said, he's the manager and it's his job to come out and represent his team and defend them.
Having said that, i think ye might be a bit hard on him/the team.  They should have won that match, and i still think they may well win Connacht. They lost their nerve in final minutes of last year's connacht final and again today which must be a worry but they did a lot right up to then.
They wouldnt have a hope against Dublin in a semi final but sure there's very few, if any, that would.

I don't expect to win Connacht but its not going to be a major shock if Galway did. If they can get beat Roscommon everyone knows that Mayo struggle to break down a packed defence which I'm sure is what Galway will provide.

If we're been realistic looking at the Galway and Mayo teams individually Mayo look like their only a few players away from challenging for the big prize and they may find them this summer whilst Galway are probably 7 or 8 players away, now like Mayo they may find a couple of players may nail down a place over the next few months but that gap to the Dubs shouldn't be that big with the underage success Galway have had.

Now clearly that isn't just Joyce's fault but there are a good few players who aren't the panel who like Varley & Kerin who would be in my starting 15. Kerin was a bit rash in his last appearance for Galway against Mayo a few years ago but prior to that he'd never let Galway down and put in some excellent performances.

Galway have had some really tough defeats to deal with in the last 9 months and ultimately the manager is too blame, game management was non existent throughout the match.


Jeez, if we're 7/8 players away from the big one, who are the other 7/8 players we have currently? Because I'm really struggling to see any at this time. Don't think we have any defender that would get on the Mayo or Dublin sides, any right midfielder either (though Tierney may finally fill a spot for us there), and no forward that would make a Kerry or Dublin team bar Walsh at his best. It almost beggars belief that we can't transition some good underage players through to adulthood/senior level but there just seems to be a disconnect there now. Structures must be lacking or something.

Our hurlers finally seem to be doing this properly. They have currently a very good U20 team arising out of several AI-winning Minor teams; they're already conditioned to play Senior but won't be rushed in until good and ready.

This is certainly part of the problem,. None of this is done, what is the long term plan to put structures in place that would even allow Galway to be at least competitive at the top level every year instead of standing still year after year bar the odd blip like 2018. If the plan is wait for a set of generational players to all hopefully come along in the same timeframe then best of luck with that.
Too many on county board don't care once the hurlers are doing alright is the truth of it as well, you only need look at the selective edit they made to KW's statement when he left the gig that highlighted the problems at their end.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on June 15, 2021, 10:33:48 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 14, 2021, 11:32:08 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 14, 2021, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 13, 2021, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 11:07:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
Lets see what the championship brings although I've very little optimism.

Same boat here, have to support whatever happens but really not seeing where some massive transformation will come from at the minute, the results don't lie.
PJ didn't speak to the media afterwards either, a really, really poor look, I know this is a backbreaking loss but have to front up and own it, you're the man in charge.


He looked absolutely crushed at final whistle which is understandable,  but as you said, he's the manager and it's his job to come out and represent his team and defend them.
Having said that, i think ye might be a bit hard on him/the team.  They should have won that match, and i still think they may well win Connacht. They lost their nerve in final minutes of last year's connacht final and again today which must be a worry but they did a lot right up to then.
They wouldnt have a hope against Dublin in a semi final but sure there's very few, if any, that would.

I don't expect to win Connacht but its not going to be a major shock if Galway did. If they can get beat Roscommon everyone knows that Mayo struggle to break down a packed defence which I'm sure is what Galway will provide.

If we're been realistic looking at the Galway and Mayo teams individually Mayo look like their only a few players away from challenging for the big prize and they may find them this summer whilst Galway are probably 7 or 8 players away, now like Mayo they may find a couple of players may nail down a place over the next few months but that gap to the Dubs shouldn't be that big with the underage success Galway have had.

Now clearly that isn't just Joyce's fault but there are a good few players who aren't the panel who like Varley & Kerin who would be in my starting 15. Kerin was a bit rash in his last appearance for Galway against Mayo a few years ago but prior to that he'd never let Galway down and put in some excellent performances.

Galway have had some really tough defeats to deal with in the last 9 months and ultimately the manager is too blame, game management was non existent throughout the match.


Jeez, if we're 7/8 players away from the big one, who are the other 7/8 players we have currently? Because I'm really struggling to see any at this time. Don't think we have any defender that would get on the Mayo or Dublin sides, any right midfielder either (though Tierney may finally fill a spot for us there), and no forward that would make a Kerry or Dublin team bar Walsh at his best. It almost beggars belief that we can't transition some good underage players through to adulthood/senior level but there just seems to be a disconnect there now. Structures must be lacking or something.

Our hurlers finally seem to be doing this properly. They have currently a very good U20 team arising out of several AI-winning Minor teams; they're already conditioned to play Senior but won't be rushed in until good and ready.
The hurlers started the latest project 10 years ago. They took a load of victorious under 21s and got rid of a consignment of serial losers. The footballers lost their way in the last decade despite making it back to D1 and an all Ireland semi  and have a consignment of serial losers. .It's hard to know what the influence of Dublin on this is.
If every road to Sam ends up in a match against Dublin does it change the attraction of playing for your  county ?  If you look at other prominent counties such as Tyrone, Meath, Cork and Down, none of them are going anywhere either.

The hurlers have no such restrictions. And you can't say that the competitive state of hurling is poor.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on June 15, 2021, 11:00:46 AM
9 leading hurling Counties any one of which could beat the other on a given day.
1 giant football County who win every game they want to.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on June 15, 2021, 11:06:30 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 15, 2021, 11:00:46 AM
9 leading hurling Counties any one of which could beat the other on a given day.
1 giant football County who win every game they want to.
Would be a serious championship without those Dub feckers in it. Kerry probably well clear of the rest imo but at least 8 teams would fancy themselves to cause an upset and from 3-12 anyone could beat anyone on a given day!
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: smelmoth on June 15, 2021, 11:18:20 AM
Up in Armagh we are excellent at turning in on ourselves when things go wrong. Galway are no slouchers in this regard.

From my experience the best thing is to identify one individual and get people to obsess about them. One group can idolise the individual and see no wrong. The other polarised group can work on a deep suspicion of the individual and see wrong in all they do/don't do/think about doing/are rumoured according to "well placed sources" to be contemplating doing.

It's a tried and trusted method and gives people something to do whilst Dublin chalk up the silverware
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 15, 2021, 11:29:29 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 14, 2021, 11:32:08 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 14, 2021, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 13, 2021, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 11:07:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
Lets see what the championship brings although I've very little optimism.

Same boat here, have to support whatever happens but really not seeing where some massive transformation will come from at the minute, the results don't lie.
PJ didn't speak to the media afterwards either, a really, really poor look, I know this is a backbreaking loss but have to front up and own it, you're the man in charge.


He looked absolutely crushed at final whistle which is understandable,  but as you said, he's the manager and it's his job to come out and represent his team and defend them.
Having said that, i think ye might be a bit hard on him/the team.  They should have won that match, and i still think they may well win Connacht. They lost their nerve in final minutes of last year's connacht final and again today which must be a worry but they did a lot right up to then.
They wouldnt have a hope against Dublin in a semi final but sure there's very few, if any, that would.

I don't expect to win Connacht but its not going to be a major shock if Galway did. If they can get beat Roscommon everyone knows that Mayo struggle to break down a packed defence which I'm sure is what Galway will provide.

If we're been realistic looking at the Galway and Mayo teams individually Mayo look like their only a few players away from challenging for the big prize and they may find them this summer whilst Galway are probably 7 or 8 players away, now like Mayo they may find a couple of players may nail down a place over the next few months but that gap to the Dubs shouldn't be that big with the underage success Galway have had.

Now clearly that isn't just Joyce's fault but there are a good few players who aren't the panel who like Varley & Kerin who would be in my starting 15. Kerin was a bit rash in his last appearance for Galway against Mayo a few years ago but prior to that he'd never let Galway down and put in some excellent performances.

Galway have had some really tough defeats to deal with in the last 9 months and ultimately the manager is too blame, game management was non existent throughout the match.


Jeez, if we're 7/8 players away from the big one, who are the other 7/8 players we have currently? Because I'm really struggling to see any at this time. Don't think we have any defender that would get on the Mayo or Dublin sides, any right midfielder either (though Tierney may finally fill a spot for us there), and no forward that would make a Kerry or Dublin team bar Walsh at his best. It almost beggars belief that we can't transition some good underage players through to adulthood/senior level but there just seems to be a disconnect there now. Structures must be lacking or something.

Our hurlers finally seem to be doing this properly. They have currently a very good U20 team arising out of several AI-winning Minor teams; they're already conditioned to play Senior but won't be rushed in until good and ready.

Disagree, Galway aren't that bad, still got some excellent players who'd fit right in with Dublin/Mayo and especially given their playing in a better side.

Its been mentioned for as long as I've been on the forum and doesn't take a genius to work out there's a huge issue from when lads are finished with u20's and bring turning the u21 championship into the u20's has escalated the problem.

Galway have some record over Mayo at 17's/18's/20's/21's in recent years. I think Mayo have won one match in extra time between the counties in a long long time. Cant remember the last time Mayo beat Galway in the u21's, maybe 2012?  Mayo haven't beat Galway at the u20's yet. Mayo are obviously doing better work with players once their finished with the u20's, I'd say the likes of Tommy Conroy, Mullin, Ryan O'Donoghue, Eoghan McLaughlin, Rory Brickenden, Jordan Flynn, Enda Hession, Bryan Walsh and James Carr never beat Galway in underage.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on June 15, 2021, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 15, 2021, 10:33:48 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 14, 2021, 11:32:08 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 14, 2021, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 13, 2021, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 11:07:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
Lets see what the championship brings although I've very little optimism.

Same boat here, have to support whatever happens but really not seeing where some massive transformation will come from at the minute, the results don't lie.
PJ didn't speak to the media afterwards either, a really, really poor look, I know this is a backbreaking loss but have to front up and own it, you're the man in charge.


He looked absolutely crushed at final whistle which is understandable,  but as you said, he's the manager and it's his job to come out and represent his team and defend them.
Having said that, i think ye might be a bit hard on him/the team.  They should have won that match, and i still think they may well win Connacht. They lost their nerve in final minutes of last year's connacht final and again today which must be a worry but they did a lot right up to then.
They wouldnt have a hope against Dublin in a semi final but sure there's very few, if any, that would.

I don't expect to win Connacht but its not going to be a major shock if Galway did. If they can get beat Roscommon everyone knows that Mayo struggle to break down a packed defence which I'm sure is what Galway will provide.

If we're been realistic looking at the Galway and Mayo teams individually Mayo look like their only a few players away from challenging for the big prize and they may find them this summer whilst Galway are probably 7 or 8 players away, now like Mayo they may find a couple of players may nail down a place over the next few months but that gap to the Dubs shouldn't be that big with the underage success Galway have had.

Now clearly that isn't just Joyce's fault but there are a good few players who aren't the panel who like Varley & Kerin who would be in my starting 15. Kerin was a bit rash in his last appearance for Galway against Mayo a few years ago but prior to that he'd never let Galway down and put in some excellent performances.

Galway have had some really tough defeats to deal with in the last 9 months and ultimately the manager is too blame, game management was non existent throughout the match.


Jeez, if we're 7/8 players away from the big one, who are the other 7/8 players we have currently? Because I'm really struggling to see any at this time. Don't think we have any defender that would get on the Mayo or Dublin sides, any right midfielder either (though Tierney may finally fill a spot for us there), and no forward that would make a Kerry or Dublin team bar Walsh at his best. It almost beggars belief that we can't transition some good underage players through to adulthood/senior level but there just seems to be a disconnect there now. Structures must be lacking or something.

Our hurlers finally seem to be doing this properly. They have currently a very good U20 team arising out of several AI-winning Minor teams; they're already conditioned to play Senior but won't be rushed in until good and ready.
The hurlers started the latest project 10 years ago. They took a load of victorious under 21s and got rid of a consignment of serial losers. The footballers lost their way in the last decade despite making it back to D1 and an all Ireland semi  and have a consignment of serial losers. .It's hard to know what the influence of Dublin on this is.
If every road to Sam ends up in a match against Dublin does it change the attraction of playing for your  county ?  If you look at other prominent counties such as Tyrone, Meath, Cork and Down, none of them are going anywhere either.

The hurlers have no such restrictions. And you can't say that the competitive state of hurling is poor.
If you took Dublin out of it, it doesn't change a thing for Galway really in terms the issues we have, we just dipped into D2, that's not Dublin's fault. Myriad of structural issues that need to be sorted out ourselves that have nothing to do with Dublin. Mayo and Kerry aren't standing around feeling sorry for themselves.
Money wise ok, Dublin have huge advantage but how are other counties managing it better? Even look at the fundraising effort that was attempted in March, they got nowhere with it, maybe the public in Galway just don't care, I don't know at this stage but can't blame Dublin for things that are our own lookout.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on June 15, 2021, 12:34:37 PM
Galway are struggling to bring through players to senior level. Even Shane Walsh took quite a while though I do think that car crash stuff seemed to impact him. If you look at the under 20s last year you had to pull in boys who weren't even in the squad to play Kerry and still beat them well. That big ginger haired fella was fantastic and by all accounts wasn't even in the squad.

Something hasn't been right for a good few years now. Like has been said - nothing to do with Dublin. Mayo have been the best team in Connacht for what now... more or less a decade? They are good no doubt but Galway have better players coming through and there shouldn't be a period of dominance like that.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on June 15, 2021, 12:50:08 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 15, 2021, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 15, 2021, 10:33:48 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 14, 2021, 11:32:08 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 14, 2021, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 13, 2021, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 11:07:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
Lets see what the championship brings although I've very little optimism.

Same boat here, have to support whatever happens but really not seeing where some massive transformation will come from at the minute, the results don't lie.
PJ didn't speak to the media afterwards either, a really, really poor look, I know this is a backbreaking loss but have to front up and own it, you're the man in charge.


He looked absolutely crushed at final whistle which is understandable,  but as you said, he's the manager and it's his job to come out and represent his team and defend them.
Having said that, i think ye might be a bit hard on him/the team.  They should have won that match, and i still think they may well win Connacht. They lost their nerve in final minutes of last year's connacht final and again today which must be a worry but they did a lot right up to then.
They wouldnt have a hope against Dublin in a semi final but sure there's very few, if any, that would.

I don't expect to win Connacht but its not going to be a major shock if Galway did. If they can get beat Roscommon everyone knows that Mayo struggle to break down a packed defence which I'm sure is what Galway will provide.

If we're been realistic looking at the Galway and Mayo teams individually Mayo look like their only a few players away from challenging for the big prize and they may find them this summer whilst Galway are probably 7 or 8 players away, now like Mayo they may find a couple of players may nail down a place over the next few months but that gap to the Dubs shouldn't be that big with the underage success Galway have had.

Now clearly that isn't just Joyce's fault but there are a good few players who aren't the panel who like Varley & Kerin who would be in my starting 15. Kerin was a bit rash in his last appearance for Galway against Mayo a few years ago but prior to that he'd never let Galway down and put in some excellent performances.

Galway have had some really tough defeats to deal with in the last 9 months and ultimately the manager is too blame, game management was non existent throughout the match.


Jeez, if we're 7/8 players away from the big one, who are the other 7/8 players we have currently? Because I'm really struggling to see any at this time. Don't think we have any defender that would get on the Mayo or Dublin sides, any right midfielder either (though Tierney may finally fill a spot for us there), and no forward that would make a Kerry or Dublin team bar Walsh at his best. It almost beggars belief that we can't transition some good underage players through to adulthood/senior level but there just seems to be a disconnect there now. Structures must be lacking or something.

Our hurlers finally seem to be doing this properly. They have currently a very good U20 team arising out of several AI-winning Minor teams; they're already conditioned to play Senior but won't be rushed in until good and ready.
The hurlers started the latest project 10 years ago. They took a load of victorious under 21s and got rid of a consignment of serial losers. The footballers lost their way in the last decade despite making it back to D1 and an all Ireland semi  and have a consignment of serial losers. .It's hard to know what the influence of Dublin on this is.
If every road to Sam ends up in a match against Dublin does it change the attraction of playing for your  county ?  If you look at other prominent counties such as Tyrone, Meath, Cork and Down, none of them are going anywhere either.

The hurlers have no such restrictions. And you can't say that the competitive state of hurling is poor.
If you took Dublin out of it, it doesn't change a thing for Galway really in terms the issues we have, we just dipped into D2, that's not Dublin's fault. Myriad of structural issues that need to be sorted out ourselves that have nothing to do with Dublin. Mayo and Kerry aren't standing around feeling sorry for themselves.
Money wise ok, Dublin have huge advantage but how are other counties managing it better? Even look at the fundraising effort that was attempted in March, they got nowhere with it, maybe the public in Galway just don't care, I don't know at this stage but can't blame Dublin for things that are our own lookout.
Best in subclass would be Mayo. say. Mayo can get to the all Ireland. But they can't win it.
It would be  hard to sell losing all Irelands to Galway fans.

None of the other second line  teams have made any progress in recent years. The progress that you would have normally expected for teams in Division 1.
They are all different aspects of shite. Sure they can improve but for what ? The process of winning doesn't work any more.

I don't imagine that the GAA thought through the implications of when  the possibility of winning Sam is removed from a county
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on June 15, 2021, 04:06:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 15, 2021, 12:50:08 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 15, 2021, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 15, 2021, 10:33:48 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 14, 2021, 11:32:08 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 14, 2021, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 13, 2021, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 11:07:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
Lets see what the championship brings although I've very little optimism.

Same boat here, have to support whatever happens but really not seeing where some massive transformation will come from at the minute, the results don't lie.
PJ didn't speak to the media afterwards either, a really, really poor look, I know this is a backbreaking loss but have to front up and own it, you're the man in charge.


He looked absolutely crushed at final whistle which is understandable,  but as you said, he's the manager and it's his job to come out and represent his team and defend them.
Having said that, i think ye might be a bit hard on him/the team.  They should have won that match, and i still think they may well win Connacht. They lost their nerve in final minutes of last year's connacht final and again today which must be a worry but they did a lot right up to then.
They wouldnt have a hope against Dublin in a semi final but sure there's very few, if any, that would.

I don't expect to win Connacht but its not going to be a major shock if Galway did. If they can get beat Roscommon everyone knows that Mayo struggle to break down a packed defence which I'm sure is what Galway will provide.

If we're been realistic looking at the Galway and Mayo teams individually Mayo look like their only a few players away from challenging for the big prize and they may find them this summer whilst Galway are probably 7 or 8 players away, now like Mayo they may find a couple of players may nail down a place over the next few months but that gap to the Dubs shouldn't be that big with the underage success Galway have had.

Now clearly that isn't just Joyce's fault but there are a good few players who aren't the panel who like Varley & Kerin who would be in my starting 15. Kerin was a bit rash in his last appearance for Galway against Mayo a few years ago but prior to that he'd never let Galway down and put in some excellent performances.

Galway have had some really tough defeats to deal with in the last 9 months and ultimately the manager is too blame, game management was non existent throughout the match.


Jeez, if we're 7/8 players away from the big one, who are the other 7/8 players we have currently? Because I'm really struggling to see any at this time. Don't think we have any defender that would get on the Mayo or Dublin sides, any right midfielder either (though Tierney may finally fill a spot for us there), and no forward that would make a Kerry or Dublin team bar Walsh at his best. It almost beggars belief that we can't transition some good underage players through to adulthood/senior level but there just seems to be a disconnect there now. Structures must be lacking or something.

Our hurlers finally seem to be doing this properly. They have currently a very good U20 team arising out of several AI-winning Minor teams; they're already conditioned to play Senior but won't be rushed in until good and ready.
The hurlers started the latest project 10 years ago. They took a load of victorious under 21s and got rid of a consignment of serial losers. The footballers lost their way in the last decade despite making it back to D1 and an all Ireland semi  and have a consignment of serial losers. .It's hard to know what the influence of Dublin on this is.
If every road to Sam ends up in a match against Dublin does it change the attraction of playing for your  county ?  If you look at other prominent counties such as Tyrone, Meath, Cork and Down, none of them are going anywhere either.

The hurlers have no such restrictions. And you can't say that the competitive state of hurling is poor.
If you took Dublin out of it, it doesn't change a thing for Galway really in terms the issues we have, we just dipped into D2, that's not Dublin's fault. Myriad of structural issues that need to be sorted out ourselves that have nothing to do with Dublin. Mayo and Kerry aren't standing around feeling sorry for themselves.
Money wise ok, Dublin have huge advantage but how are other counties managing it better? Even look at the fundraising effort that was attempted in March, they got nowhere with it, maybe the public in Galway just don't care, I don't know at this stage but can't blame Dublin for things that are our own lookout.
Best in subclass would be Mayo. say. Mayo can get to the all Ireland. But they can't win it.
It would be  hard to sell losing all Irelands to Galway fans.

None of the other second line  teams have made any progress in recent years. The progress that you would have normally expected for teams in Division 1.
They are all different aspects of shite. Sure they can improve but for what ? The process of winning doesn't work any more.

I don't imagine that the GAA thought through the implications of when  the possibility of winning Sam is removed from a county
They could quit feeling sorry for themselves and go out and win the thing, like Kerry or Mayo will likely do this year or next..
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: thebackbar1 on June 16, 2021, 10:17:01 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 15, 2021, 08:13:29 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 14, 2021, 11:32:08 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 14, 2021, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 13, 2021, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 11:07:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
Lets see what the championship brings although I've very little optimism.

Same boat here, have to support whatever happens but really not seeing where some massive transformation will come from at the minute, the results don't lie.
PJ didn't speak to the media afterwards either, a really, really poor look, I know this is a backbreaking loss but have to front up and own it, you're the man in charge.


He looked absolutely crushed at final whistle which is understandable,  but as you said, he's the manager and it's his job to come out and represent his team and defend them.
Having said that, i think ye might be a bit hard on him/the team.  They should have won that match, and i still think they may well win Connacht. They lost their nerve in final minutes of last year's connacht final and again today which must be a worry but they did a lot right up to then.
They wouldnt have a hope against Dublin in a semi final but sure there's very few, if any, that would.

I don't expect to win Connacht but its not going to be a major shock if Galway did. If they can get beat Roscommon everyone knows that Mayo struggle to break down a packed defence which I'm sure is what Galway will provide.

If we're been realistic looking at the Galway and Mayo teams individually Mayo look like their only a few players away from challenging for the big prize and they may find them this summer whilst Galway are probably 7 or 8 players away, now like Mayo they may find a couple of players may nail down a place over the next few months but that gap to the Dubs shouldn't be that big with the underage success Galway have had.

Now clearly that isn't just Joyce's fault but there are a good few players who aren't the panel who like Varley & Kerin who would be in my starting 15. Kerin was a bit rash in his last appearance for Galway against Mayo a few years ago but prior to that he'd never let Galway down and put in some excellent performances.

Galway have had some really tough defeats to deal with in the last 9 months and ultimately the manager is too blame, game management was non existent throughout the match.


Jeez, if we're 7/8 players away from the big one, who are the other 7/8 players we have currently? Because I'm really struggling to see any at this time. Don't think we have any defender that would get on the Mayo or Dublin sides, any right midfielder either (though Tierney may finally fill a spot for us there), and no forward that would make a Kerry or Dublin team bar Walsh at his best. It almost beggars belief that we can't transition some good underage players through to adulthood/senior level but there just seems to be a disconnect there now. Structures must be lacking or something.

Our hurlers finally seem to be doing this properly. They have currently a very good U20 team arising out of several AI-winning Minor teams; they're already conditioned to play Senior but won't be rushed in until good and ready.

This is certainly part of the problem,. None of this is done, what is the long term plan to put structures in place that would even allow Galway to be at least competitive at the top level every year instead of standing still year after year bar the odd blip like 2018. If the plan is wait for a set of generational players to all hopefully come along in the same timeframe then best of luck with that.
Too many on county board don't care once the hurlers are doing alright is the truth of it as well, you only need look at the selective edit they made to KW's statement when he left the gig that highlighted the problems at their end.

I don't think its a fair comment to say that the county board only care about the hurlers. A significant proportion of the county board are from a football background, including the secretary, pro and coaching officer. I don't believe the spend on the footballers is that much smaller that the hurlers. I think the hurlers are spending their money better in terms of s&c. Fundamentally Galway needs more people getting behind the county and contributing to doing things.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on June 16, 2021, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 15, 2021, 04:06:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 15, 2021, 12:50:08 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 15, 2021, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 15, 2021, 10:33:48 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 14, 2021, 11:32:08 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 14, 2021, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 13, 2021, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2021, 11:07:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
Lets see what the championship brings although I've very little optimism.

Same boat here, have to support whatever happens but really not seeing where some massive transformation will come from at the minute, the results don't lie.
PJ didn't speak to the media afterwards either, a really, really poor look, I know this is a backbreaking loss but have to front up and own it, you're the man in charge.


He looked absolutely crushed at final whistle which is understandable,  but as you said, he's the manager and it's his job to come out and represent his team and defend them.
Having said that, i think ye might be a bit hard on him/the team.  They should have won that match, and i still think they may well win Connacht. They lost their nerve in final minutes of last year's connacht final and again today which must be a worry but they did a lot right up to then.
They wouldnt have a hope against Dublin in a semi final but sure there's very few, if any, that would.

I don't expect to win Connacht but its not going to be a major shock if Galway did. If they can get beat Roscommon everyone knows that Mayo struggle to break down a packed defence which I'm sure is what Galway will provide.

If we're been realistic looking at the Galway and Mayo teams individually Mayo look like their only a few players away from challenging for the big prize and they may find them this summer whilst Galway are probably 7 or 8 players away, now like Mayo they may find a couple of players may nail down a place over the next few months but that gap to the Dubs shouldn't be that big with the underage success Galway have had.

Now clearly that isn't just Joyce's fault but there are a good few players who aren't the panel who like Varley & Kerin who would be in my starting 15. Kerin was a bit rash in his last appearance for Galway against Mayo a few years ago but prior to that he'd never let Galway down and put in some excellent performances.

Galway have had some really tough defeats to deal with in the last 9 months and ultimately the manager is too blame, game management was non existent throughout the match.


Jeez, if we're 7/8 players away from the big one, who are the other 7/8 players we have currently? Because I'm really struggling to see any at this time. Don't think we have any defender that would get on the Mayo or Dublin sides, any right midfielder either (though Tierney may finally fill a spot for us there), and no forward that would make a Kerry or Dublin team bar Walsh at his best. It almost beggars belief that we can't transition some good underage players through to adulthood/senior level but there just seems to be a disconnect there now. Structures must be lacking or something.

Our hurlers finally seem to be doing this properly. They have currently a very good U20 team arising out of several AI-winning Minor teams; they're already conditioned to play Senior but won't be rushed in until good and ready.
The hurlers started the latest project 10 years ago. They took a load of victorious under 21s and got rid of a consignment of serial losers. The footballers lost their way in the last decade despite making it back to D1 and an all Ireland semi  and have a consignment of serial losers. .It's hard to know what the influence of Dublin on this is.
If every road to Sam ends up in a match against Dublin does it change the attraction of playing for your  county ?  If you look at other prominent counties such as Tyrone, Meath, Cork and Down, none of them are going anywhere either.

The hurlers have no such restrictions. And you can't say that the competitive state of hurling is poor.
If you took Dublin out of it, it doesn't change a thing for Galway really in terms the issues we have, we just dipped into D2, that's not Dublin's fault. Myriad of structural issues that need to be sorted out ourselves that have nothing to do with Dublin. Mayo and Kerry aren't standing around feeling sorry for themselves.
Money wise ok, Dublin have huge advantage but how are other counties managing it better? Even look at the fundraising effort that was attempted in March, they got nowhere with it, maybe the public in Galway just don't care, I don't know at this stage but can't blame Dublin for things that are our own lookout.
Best in subclass would be Mayo. say. Mayo can get to the all Ireland. But they can't win it.
It would be  hard to sell losing all Irelands to Galway fans.

None of the other second line  teams have made any progress in recent years. The progress that you would have normally expected for teams in Division 1.
They are all different aspects of shite. Sure they can improve but for what ? The process of winning doesn't work any more.

I don't imagine that the GAA thought through the implications of when  the possibility of winning Sam is removed from a county
They could quit feeling sorry for themselves and go out and win the thing, like Kerry or Mayo will likely do this year or next..
The bookies don't agree.The Dubs will continue to win Sam until the GAA is forced to change the setup.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: galwayman on June 16, 2021, 11:22:48 AM
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Lets see what the championship brings although I've very little optimism.

Same boat here, have to support whatever happens but really not seeing where some massive transformation will come from at the minute, the results don't lie.
PJ didn't speak to the media afterwards either, a really, really poor look, I know this is a backbreaking loss but have to front up and own it, you're the man in charge.


He looked absolutely crushed at final whistle which is understandable,  but as you said, he's the manager and it's his job to come out and represent his team and defend them.
Having said that, i think ye might be a bit hard on him/the team.  They should have won that match, and i still think they may well win Connacht. They lost their nerve in final minutes of last year's connacht final and again today which must be a worry but they did a lot right up to then.
They wouldnt have a hope against Dublin in a semi final but sure there's very few, if any, that would.

I don't expect to win Connacht but its not going to be a major shock if Galway did. If they can get beat Roscommon everyone knows that Mayo struggle to break down a packed defence which I'm sure is what Galway will provide.

If we're been realistic looking at the Galway and Mayo teams individually Mayo look like their only a few players away from challenging for the big prize and they may find them this summer whilst Galway are probably 7 or 8 players away, now like Mayo they may find a couple of players may nail down a place over the next few months but that gap to the Dubs shouldn't be that big with the underage success Galway have had.

Now clearly that isn't just Joyce's fault but there are a good few players who aren't the panel who like Varley & Kerin who would be in my starting 15. Kerin was a bit rash in his last appearance for Galway against Mayo a few years ago but prior to that he'd never let Galway down and put in some excellent performances.

Galway have had some really tough defeats to deal with in the last 9 months and ultimately the manager is too blame, game management was non existent throughout the match.


Jeez, if we're 7/8 players away from the big one, who are the other 7/8 players we have currently? Because I'm really struggling to see any at this time. Don't think we have any defender that would get on the Mayo or Dublin sides, any right midfielder either (though Tierney may finally fill a spot for us there), and no forward that would make a Kerry or Dublin team bar Walsh at his best. It almost beggars belief that we can't transition some good underage players through to adulthood/senior level but there just seems to be a disconnect there now. Structures must be lacking or something.

Our hurlers finally seem to be doing this properly. They have currently a very good U20 team arising out of several AI-winning Minor teams; they're already conditioned to play Senior but won't be rushed in until good and ready.
The hurlers started the latest project 10 years ago. They took a load of victorious under 21s and got rid of a consignment of serial losers. The footballers lost their way in the last decade despite making it back to D1 and an all Ireland semi  and have a consignment of serial losers. .It's hard to know what the influence of Dublin on this is.
If every road to Sam ends up in a match against Dublin does it change the attraction of playing for your  county ?  If you look at other prominent counties such as Tyrone, Meath, Cork and Down, none of them are going anywhere either.

The hurlers have no such restrictions. And you can't say that the competitive state of hurling is poor.
If you took Dublin out of it, it doesn't change a thing for Galway really in terms the issues we have, we just dipped into D2, that's not Dublin's fault. Myriad of structural issues that need to be sorted out ourselves that have nothing to do with Dublin. Mayo and Kerry aren't standing around feeling sorry for themselves.
Money wise ok, Dublin have huge advantage but how are other counties managing it better? Even look at the fundraising effort that was attempted in March, they got nowhere with it, maybe the public in Galway just don't care, I don't know at this stage but can't blame Dublin for things that are our own lookout.
Best in subclass would be Mayo. say. Mayo can get to the all Ireland. But they can't win it.
It would be  hard to sell losing all Irelands to Galway fans.

None of the other second line  teams have made any progress in recent years. The progress that you would have normally expected for teams in Division 1.
They are all different aspects of shite. Sure they can improve but for what ? The process of winning doesn't work any more.

I don't imagine that the GAA thought through the implications of when  the possibility of winning Sam is removed from a county
They could quit feeling sorry for themselves and go out and win the thing, like Kerry or Mayo will likely do this year or next..
The bookies don't agree.The Dubs will continue to win Sam until the GAA is forced to change the setup.
Kerry will win an All Ireland in the next 3 seasons (maybe even this year) I have little doubt about that.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on June 16, 2021, 11:38:26 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-galway-s-defeat-at-the-death-to-monaghan-is-shocking-and-unforgivable-1.4594401

Darragh Ó Sé: Galway's defeat at the death to Monaghan is shocking and unforgivable

Pádraic Joyce will be especially frustrated with the number of mistakes made at the end

 
Watching Galway throw away their Division One status on Sunday was hard enough for me as a neutral observer so I can only imagine how horrific it is going to be for Pádraic Joyce and his players when they go through the video. Monaghan deserve all the credit in the world for sticking to their task but they shouldn't have had a hope. Their destiny should have been kept out of their hands.

Galway couldn't close it out even though they were five points up in the 68th minute. That's shocking at any level but it's really unforgivable for a Division One team. You don't always get what you deserve in sport but Galway couldn't argue with what happened to them on Sunday. They played more than enough football to get a result but playing well and winning are two separate skills. You need to be able to play good football to get to Division One. You need to be able to win to stay there.

Monaghan are in Division One longer than every team in Ireland apart from Dublin and Kerry. You look around the country and you find plenty of teams that can play better football than them but all of them have been relegated at one stage or another over the past few years. Monaghan have gone into the last game of the league needing a result three or four times and they've always managed to find it. Why are they able to do it and teams like Galway aren't?

Miserable
I know you can say the league is the league or whatever but Galway are one of the teams that will only develop properly in Division One. The way they shot themselves in the foot in the closing minutes of that game gave me the impression they didn't really understand what was at stake. They didn't protect the ball, they didn't protect their goal, they didn't protect their lead. It must be killing Joyce that they gave up a Division One spot so cheaply.

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It has been such a miserable 16 months for them. I think it's fair to say that no team has had their momentum interrupted by the pandemic more than Galway have. Compare their before and after results and it makes for lousy reading. In the first five games of the 2020 league they beat Monaghan, only lost to Kerry in injury time, walloped Tyrone and beat both Donegal and Meath on their home patches. They were top of Division One, they had the most goals of anyone in the country. They were flying.

Look at what they've offered since. Hammered by Mayo on their first day back in October. Beaten by Dublin the following week. Lost by a point to Mayo in the Connacht final. On to this year's league and they've been trounced by Kerry, lost to the Dubs, beaten Roscommon and now caught at the death by Monaghan. They've gone from a run of four wins from five games to one where they have just one win from their last seven.

The thing is, they could have washed an awful lot of that away on Sunday. If you end your league by going to Clones to beat Monaghan and stay in Division One, you can look at everything that went before in a different light.

The hiding in Tralee? Sure look, every team gets a trimming from time to time. And also, it was their first game in six months. There was no line of form, everyone was flying blind. And didn't they come back the following week and beat Roscommon by six points? And weren't they within a kick of a ball against Dublin until the Dubs got a goal in injury time?

You can convince anyone of anything when you win the game that matters – including yourselves! Imagine Galway at training this week if they had closed that game out. There'd be a huge buzz around the place. They'd be mad for road, knowing they have three weeks to get ready for Roscommon, who have just been relegated. The summer would be full of possibilities.


Galway manager Padraig Joyce reacts after Conor McManus of Monaghan ties the game. Photograph: Tommy Dickson/Inpho
Galway manager Pádraig Joyce reacts after Conor McManus of Monaghan ties the game. Photograph: Tommy Dickson/Inpho
Instead, they're having tough conversations about where they're going wrong. They're going back to the drawing board and having to talk about the fundamental things you need to do to close a game out. Basic stuff like making the opposition have to take potshots, forcing them away from posts, giving them no sniff of a goal under any circumstances.

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This is the learning you are supposed to do in Division One. But after four years in the top division, look at the three key scores that relegated Galway. Each one of them was fairly preventable at any time in any game – but to give them up with so much at stake makes you wonder what good the four years has done them.

The most important score was Darren Hughes's goal. Without it, Monaghan didn't have enough time to draw level in normal time. Above all else, that had to be Galway's mantra. They can't survive without a goal, lads. We don't concede.

When Niall Kearns got possession, he was basically in the corner-forward position, top of the right. That's the first place it should have ended. Two Galway defenders went out to Kearns – even the smallest bit of communication between them would have cut off the endline and made him turn back away from goal.

Instead, all it took was a quick shimmy and he was around the first man and suddenly the second one – their full-back Seán Mulkerrin – was in no man's land. He wasn't doubling up to turn Kearns back, he wasn't cutting off the cross and he wasn't protecting the square. Again, the goal was all that mattered at that point. All Mulkerrin had to do was one of those three things and the goal wouldn't have happened.


Sympathy
And that's before we get to Johnny Duane's defending once Hughes collected the ball. You could maybe have a small bit of sympathy for him on the basis that he had only just gone on to Hughes after Paul Conroy was black-carded.

But again, isn't that a perfect summing up of how little Galway have learned about closing out a game? Conroy was having a great game, he was driving Galway on from midfield, really standing out. And then he got involved in a stupid tussle with Hughes over a sideline ball and pulled his ankle from under him for the easiest black card David Gough will ever give. That's one of your leaders taking himself out of the game with relegation on the line. No wonder Joyce didn't want to talk to the media after the game.

As for Duane, he probably didn't feel overly comfortable being the last man back on the edge of the square. But even so, you can't get turned like that so close to goal. At least make Hughes shoot with his bad foot. Duane made such a bad decision that it would actually have been better for Galway if he hadn't moved at all. If he had literally stood still, there was a better chance of Hughes hitting him with the ball. Instead, he opened up the only route to goal.

That was the killer score. But even after it, Galway didn't need to lose the game. They got themselves a point ahead and tackled like demons through the last play of the game to try and turn Monaghan over. And they very nearly got there. But in the end, they allowed Conor McManus to score an equaliser from the middle of the pitch on the edge of the D.

Great players make great plays. All you can do is try to make them have to do something special to beat you. Monaghan have called on McManus countless times over the years to get them out of a hole – would this one even be in his top 20? Once he had possession, all he had to do was cut inside onto his good foot and score from straight in front of the posts.


Galway had that game won and they found several ways not to win it
I know the game was in the melting pot. There were bodies everywhere and it can't have been easy to keep a clear head. But if you're Galway, you have to know that the one thing Monaghan want more than anything is to get McManus on the ball in the middle of the pitch. Whatever else happens, you can't let that be the last shot of the match. Somebody has to make that his mission throughout that last Monaghan attack. Nobody did.

Maybe the worst of all was Jack McCarron's point at the end of extra time. At least for the other two scores, Monaghan had the ball. For this one, Galway got a block on a shot from McManus and it dropped short, meaning the Galway goalkeeper Connor Gleeson had the ball in his hands with 10 seconds left on the clock.

Overhit
Galway couldn't win the game from there. They could only draw it and send it to penalties or they could lose it. They showed no sense that they knew this.

Gleeson got rid of the ball as quickly as possible, dishing it off to his corner-back, even though Monaghan had far more men down the stand side of the pitch than Galway had. All it took was for the next handpass to be overhit and Monaghan had the ball back.

These are just bad decisions. Gleeson needed to know not to go down that side of the pitch. He needed to know how long was left and that they had to run down the clock. The corner-back needed to play a better pass out of defence. Even when McCarron got the ball, he still had a Galway man between him and the goal. You can't bite on a dummy in that situation. Basic defending is turning a left-footed shooter back onto his right. If you're going to beat us, Jack, let's see you do it with your right foot.

Galway did none of this. That has to be the most frustrating thing for Joyce. If one mistake costs you a game, you can write it off. It's tough on the guy who makes it but sport is sport. That's just how it goes sometimes. But for those three key scores, Galway made close to a dozen mistakes – in positioning, in decision-making, in technique – when doing the right thing even once would have changed the result.

There is no shame in losing to Monaghan in Clones and being relegated. They are vastly experienced, they are hardy, they have some of the best ever players still going strong. But Galway had that game won and they found several ways not to win it.

Going into another knockout championship, that doesn't bode well for them.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: J70 on June 16, 2021, 12:41:13 PM
Seeing the sequence of events and mistakes outlined like that has to make for pretty brutal reading for the Galway panel and management! :o

At least they should have a bit of fire in their belly for the Roscommon game.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: mouview on June 16, 2021, 03:02:10 PM
A lot of harsh home truths in that article alright. But everytime you give up possession or concede scores involves making poor decisions or a sequence of mistakes. Allied to that, Monaghan kicked some quality of scores, the likes of which are very hard to defend against and not likely to be seen every game they play.

It's moot whether Galway would have survived even in an enlarged Div. I. O'Se talks about players/teams learning from their time spent playing there. Galway's problem is that they can't settle on a fixed team, due to injuries and players not being good enough, particularly down the spine. Sean Andy was FB for a couple of seasons but got some roastings; Mulkerrins has promise but is in his first season and is raw. (Also, perhaps Tom Flynn like, he really needs to be playing at a higher club level.) The one proper CHB we've had in a good few years, John Daly, can't seem to get injury free. Can never seem to settle on a consistent midfield pairing. Shane Walsh is more suited to CHF but doesn't always finish. Comer is injured a lot too. And so on. And then you have to add on the players each side who aren't exactly putting their hands up either. There's no point in winning or trying to win Connacht if a hammering awaits in the next round, absolutely none. It is as usual a longer term project for the team to settle and develop and become stronger organically. (A return to the Super 8s would also be beneficial. ) I don't think PJ is the man to oversee longer term development however, always struck me as a 'get rich quick' appointment.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 16, 2021, 07:11:57 PM
Quote from: mouview on June 16, 2021, 03:02:10 PM
A lot of harsh home truths in that article alright. But everytime you give up possession or concede scores involves making poor decisions or a sequence of mistakes. Allied to that, Monaghan kicked some quality of scores, the likes of which are very hard to defend against and not likely to be seen every game they play.

It's moot whether Galway would have survived even in an enlarged Div. I. O'Se talks about players/teams learning from their time spent playing there. Galway's problem is that they can't settle on a fixed team, due to injuries and players not being good enough, particularly down the spine. Sean Andy was FB for a couple of seasons but got some roastings; Mulkerrins has promise but is in his first season and is raw. (Also, perhaps Tom Flynn like, he really needs to be playing at a higher club level.) The one proper CHB we've had in a good few years, John Daly, can't seem to get injury free. Can never seem to settle on a consistent midfield pairing. Shane Walsh is more suited to CHF but doesn't always finish. Comer is injured a lot too. And so on. And then you have to add on the players each side who aren't exactly putting their hands up either. There's no point in winning or trying to win Connacht if a hammering awaits in the next round, absolutely none. It is as usual a longer term project for the team to settle and develop and become stronger organically. (A return to the Super 8s would also be beneficial. ) I don't think PJ is the man to oversee longer term development however, always struck me as a 'get rich quick' appointment.

A return to the stand alone knock out Quarter finals would be better than that shite.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on June 16, 2021, 08:17:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 16, 2021, 07:11:57 PM
Quote from: mouview on June 16, 2021, 03:02:10 PM
A lot of harsh home truths in that article alright. But everytime you give up possession or concede scores involves making poor decisions or a sequence of mistakes. Allied to that, Monaghan kicked some quality of scores, the likes of which are very hard to defend against and not likely to be seen every game they play.

It's moot whether Galway would have survived even in an enlarged Div. I. O'Se talks about players/teams learning from their time spent playing there. Galway's problem is that they can't settle on a fixed team, due to injuries and players not being good enough, particularly down the spine. Sean Andy was FB for a couple of seasons but got some roastings; Mulkerrins has promise but is in his first season and is raw. (Also, perhaps Tom Flynn like, he really needs to be playing at a higher club level.) The one proper CHB we've had in a good few years, John Daly, can't seem to get injury free. Can never seem to settle on a consistent midfield pairing. Shane Walsh is more suited to CHF but doesn't always finish. Comer is injured a lot too. And so on. And then you have to add on the players each side who aren't exactly putting their hands up either. There's no point in winning or trying to win Connacht if a hammering awaits in the next round, absolutely none. It is as usual a longer term project for the team to settle and develop and become stronger organically. (A return to the Super 8s would also be beneficial. ) I don't think PJ is the man to oversee longer term development however, always struck me as a 'get rich quick' appointment.

A return to the stand alone knock out Quarter finals would be better than that shite.
Absolutely. Or preferably play the provincials as a straight knockout, stand alone competition, then go into a 32 county, open draw all Ireland.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Rossfan on June 16, 2021, 09:27:22 PM
Time to say farewell to Div 1 especially with lads proposing new Championships before this years mini one has even started.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: macker15 on June 16, 2021, 10:01:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 16, 2021, 09:27:22 PM
Time to say farewell to Div 1 especially with lads proposing new Championships before this years mini one has even started.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: armaghniac on June 17, 2021, 01:37:09 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 16, 2021, 09:27:22 PM
Time to say farewell to Div 1 especially with lads proposing new Championships before this years mini one has even started.

The big yellow bus has departed.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: seafoid on June 17, 2021, 08:58:55 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 16, 2021, 08:17:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 16, 2021, 07:11:57 PM
Quote from: mouview on June 16, 2021, 03:02:10 PM
A lot of harsh home truths in that article alright. But everytime you give up possession or concede scores involves making poor decisions or a sequence of mistakes. Allied to that, Monaghan kicked some quality of scores, the likes of which are very hard to defend against and not likely to be seen every game they play.

It's moot whether Galway would have survived even in an enlarged Div. I. O'Se talks about players/teams learning from their time spent playing there. Galway's problem is that they can't settle on a fixed team, due to injuries and players not being good enough, particularly down the spine. Sean Andy was FB for a couple of seasons but got some roastings; Mulkerrins has promise but is in his first season and is raw. (Also, perhaps Tom Flynn like, he really needs to be playing at a higher club level.) The one proper CHB we've had in a good few years, John Daly, can't seem to get injury free. Can never seem to settle on a consistent midfield pairing. Shane Walsh is more suited to CHF but doesn't always finish. Comer is injured a lot too. And so on. And then you have to add on the players each side who aren't exactly putting their hands up either. There's no point in winning or trying to win Connacht if a hammering awaits in the next round, absolutely none. It is as usual a longer term project for the team to settle and develop and become stronger organically. (A return to the Super 8s would also be beneficial. ) I don't think PJ is the man to oversee longer term development however, always struck me as a 'get rich quick' appointment.

A return to the stand alone knock out Quarter finals would be better than that shite.
Absolutely. Or preferably play the provincials as a straight knockout, stand alone competition, then go into a 32 county, open draw all Ireland.
The 2019 all Ireland featured 71 matches.
Covid slashed the 2020 championship to 29 matches.
Covid will probably be around for a while
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on June 17, 2021, 09:03:48 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2021, 08:58:55 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 16, 2021, 08:17:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 16, 2021, 07:11:57 PM
Quote from: mouview on June 16, 2021, 03:02:10 PM
A lot of harsh home truths in that article alright. But everytime you give up possession or concede scores involves making poor decisions or a sequence of mistakes. Allied to that, Monaghan kicked some quality of scores, the likes of which are very hard to defend against and not likely to be seen every game they play.

It's moot whether Galway would have survived even in an enlarged Div. I. O'Se talks about players/teams learning from their time spent playing there. Galway's problem is that they can't settle on a fixed team, due to injuries and players not being good enough, particularly down the spine. Sean Andy was FB for a couple of seasons but got some roastings; Mulkerrins has promise but is in his first season and is raw. (Also, perhaps Tom Flynn like, he really needs to be playing at a higher club level.) The one proper CHB we've had in a good few years, John Daly, can't seem to get injury free. Can never seem to settle on a consistent midfield pairing. Shane Walsh is more suited to CHF but doesn't always finish. Comer is injured a lot too. And so on. And then you have to add on the players each side who aren't exactly putting their hands up either. There's no point in winning or trying to win Connacht if a hammering awaits in the next round, absolutely none. It is as usual a longer term project for the team to settle and develop and become stronger organically. (A return to the Super 8s would also be beneficial. ) I don't think PJ is the man to oversee longer term development however, always struck me as a 'get rich quick' appointment.

A return to the stand alone knock out Quarter finals would be better than that shite.
Absolutely. Or preferably play the provincials as a straight knockout, stand alone competition, then go into a 32 county, open draw all Ireland.
The 2019 all Ireland featured 71 matches.
Covid slashed the 2020 championship to 29 matches.
Covid will probably be around for a while
Kerry can get to an AISF by beating Clare and Cork/Tipp. Armagh for example if they got a bad draw could have to beat Tyrone, Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal to get to the same stage. Thats needs to change.
Title: Re: Division one 2021
Post by: balladmaker on June 20, 2021, 09:58:19 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 17, 2021, 09:03:48 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2021, 08:58:55 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 16, 2021, 08:17:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 16, 2021, 07:11:57 PM
Quote from: mouview on June 16, 2021, 03:02:10 PM
A lot of harsh home truths in that article alright. But everytime you give up possession or concede scores involves making poor decisions or a sequence of mistakes. Allied to that, Monaghan kicked some quality of scores, the likes of which are very hard to defend against and not likely to be seen every game they play.

It's moot whether Galway would have survived even in an enlarged Div. I. O'Se talks about players/teams learning from their time spent playing there. Galway's problem is that they can't settle on a fixed team, due to injuries and players not being good enough, particularly down the spine. Sean Andy was FB for a couple of seasons but got some roastings; Mulkerrins has promise but is in his first season and is raw. (Also, perhaps Tom Flynn like, he really needs to be playing at a higher club level.) The one proper CHB we've had in a good few years, John Daly, can't seem to get injury free. Can never seem to settle on a consistent midfield pairing. Shane Walsh is more suited to CHF but doesn't always finish. Comer is injured a lot too. And so on. And then you have to add on the players each side who aren't exactly putting their hands up either. There's no point in winning or trying to win Connacht if a hammering awaits in the next round, absolutely none. It is as usual a longer term project for the team to settle and develop and become stronger organically. (A return to the Super 8s would also be beneficial. ) I don't think PJ is the man to oversee longer term development however, always struck me as a 'get rich quick' appointment.

A return to the stand alone knock out Quarter finals would be better than that shite.
Absolutely. Or preferably play the provincials as a straight knockout, stand alone competition, then go into a 32 county, open draw all Ireland.
The 2019 all Ireland featured 71 matches.
Covid slashed the 2020 championship to 29 matches.
Covid will probably be around for a while
Kerry can get to an AISF by beating Clare and Cork/Tipp. Armagh for example if they got a bad draw could have to beat Tyrone, Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal to get to the same stage. Thats needs to change.

That's the perennial issue with the championship structure, it favours stronger teams in less competitive and lower numbers provinces.  Only fair way is an open draw and whatever happens, so be it.  But you'd have to decouple the provincials and run them as a stand alone competition.